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Fenwick wants Pro Bowl title - as Jabloteh seeks revenge
By Joel Villafana (ttproleague.com)
CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh have not won a major title since 2003, when they won the Pro League title—but come Friday 27th May—the San Juan Giants will be putting everything on the line as they will be seeking revenge—when they come face to face with their long time rivals W Connection in the 2005 Pro Bowl Finals.
Jabloteh, who lost to W Connection on penalty kicks in last years Pro Bowl Final—and they will be eager to settle the score and most importantly capture a major national title.
Head coach English born Terry Fenwick who has returned to Jabloteh this season, is accustomed to success in the T&T Pro League. Fenwick led Jabloteh in his first stint here, back in 2001/2002 to the League title, but in recent times the San Juan based unit have been going through a lean patch and according to Fenwick that is about to change.
The proud Englishman told ‘ttproleague.com’, “A win on Friday night in the Pro Bowl final over W Connection is just what we need at this stage.”
“It would be great to get a title in the bag early on, it could certainly change the outlook on the rest of the season for our players.”
The former Northampton Coach, is clear on his job, saying “When I left here back in 2002, I left what I considered to be the best team in the Caribbean and on my return that standard has slipped somewhat and my job is to bring back the club to the heights where I left it.”
Coach Fenwick is not taking anything for granted, knowing fully well their opponents in the final W Connection will be no easy task.
He said, “I have seen Connection play, and they have grown into a very good team with a few outstanding players, but we will be going into the game not phased at all, the boys know what the game means to the club and we will be prepared and ready to do our best.”
San Juan Jabloteh and W Connection will meet in the Pro Bowl Final on Friday 27 May, 2005 at the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium.
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We told them so, says Terry Fenwick.
By: Joel Villafana.[/size]
Jabloteh’s Head Coach Terry Fenwick promised before the start of the 2006 season that his team would be the team to beat this year, and so far his prophetic words are proving true.
Jabloteh have recorded their 4th victory in as many games, defeating
Starworld Strikers (1-0), Tobago United, (5-0), Superstar Rangers, (4-0),
and Defence Force (4-0).
The San Juan based team is flying high and sit on top of the ten-team table on maximum 12 points, two clear of their arch rivals W Connection.
Terry Fenwick, told ttproleague.com, “I am totally delighted with the team’s performance, the boys have done really well so far and they deserve to be on top of the standings. It has been not as easy as the results may show however, we had a tough first game against Starworld Strikers where we came away 1-0 winners, but since then the boys have settled into a nice rhythm and they look unstoppable, every time they attack they look like they can score a goal.”
The former English International was quick to point out that the race is far
from over.
“This is just a great start and that is important, but we will not be
getting ahead of ourselves, we are aware we have some big games coming up against North East, Joe Public and W Connection, but my philosophy has always been to take one game at a time and that’s what we will be doing.”
He continued, “We want to win everything there is to win this season and we will be preparing ourselves in such a way that teams will have to do very, very well to beat us.”
Jabloteh next take on North East Stars, before going on to defend its Pro
Bowl title in May.. No less than ten locally based professionals will take the field in a Trinidad and Tobago President’s Eleven outfit against Grenada’s National team in two friendly internationals on Tuesday 25 April and Thursday 27 April.
Jabloteh’s Aurtis Whitley, Anthony Wolfe, Cyd Gray as well as the club’s
skipper Kerry Baptiste and Trent Noel, W Connection’s David Atiba Charles
and Jan Michael Williams, North East Stars Gary Glasgow, and United
Petrotrin’s Anthony Rougier will all be in the mix.
National Assistant Coach Anton Corneal told ttproleague.com, these matches are crucial to the Trinidad and Tobago’s World Cup preparation.
“This is an opportunity for the local players to show what they have to
offer and to get some of them up to speed before the Peru match on May
10th.”
Mr. Corneal also added, “All these players, especially the guys on the
reserve list and even those not on the list, must come out and give of their best, and keep themselves fit and ready, because the possibility of one or two players forcing their way into the final squad for Germany is a strong likelihood.”
“The fact is we have before us a run of at least seven matches before the
first game at the world cup against Sweden, and injuries may come up with certain players, and it is important the technical staff are able to call on suitable replacements.”
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The team is playing well yes but they haven't played NE Stars, Joe or Connection yet.
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wow! dem boy ent conceed ah goal as yet oui...impressive.
Let's see how long they can maintain this streak. :beermug:
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Go Jabloteh :wavetowel: Show them how real professional teams get the job done.
Kingman
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Terry Fenwick has been choosing his words carefully since Trinidad and Tobago became the smallest nation ever to qualify for the World Cup finals.
The former England defender, who famously missed a tackle on Diego Maradona that led to the Argentinian's "goal of the century" at the 1986 World Cup in Mexico, now manages one of the leading club sides in the tiny, twin-island state.
It makes him uniquely qualified to assess the prospects of the national team, the Soca Warriors, but it also gives him a tricky problem. The last thing he wants to do is to offend the country where he now lives.
"In Germany I can't see them being a threat to anyone, although I can't really say that here," he confided. "It's been rolling
off my tongue to the local media here that it will be England and Trinidad who will qualify for the later rounds, but I can't really see it happening if I'm honest. I mean, they're talking about bringing the World Cup home every day on the radio. It's unbelievable."
Fenwick, 46, will have to be mindful of local sensitivities when he travels to Germany to commentate for Trinidad television on the Soca Warriors' clash with England in Nuremberg on June 15. But, privately, he fears the worst. "Personally, I think it's a case of not embarrassing themselves in Germany," he said.
"I wouldn't want them to be battered, but I think England are capable of battering them. Everybody is also under-estimating Sweden. The one game where they feel they might be able to nick something is against Paraguay, but that is their last group game. Basically, the team qualified through the back door. They were the oldest squad in the CONCACAF region and they'll be one of the oldest squads at the World Cup.
"When you're relying on players like Russell Latapy, who's 38, and Dwight Yorke, who's 34, there are no great legs around the team and there's no energy. Leo Beenhakker has done a great job as coach in a short period of time but he has not brought a great deal of youth or athleticism into the side."
Fenwick, who is in his second spell as manager of San Juan Jabloteh in Trinidad and Tobago's Pro-League, has the unenviable distinction of holding the worst disciplinary record by an England player at the World Cup finals - three bookings in separate matches in 1986, the second of which earned a one-match suspension.
An incident last November shows he has not exactly mellowed, either. When his side conceded a goal against W Connection, scorer Gefferson Da Silva made the mistake of celebrating too close to the Jabloteh bench. He was felled by a Fenwick elbow, sparking a full-scale punch-up between both sets of players. Fenwick was initially banned from the touchline for 12 matches but the punishment was reduced to four games on appeal.
Fenwick, who played for Queens Park Rangers, Crystal Palace and Tottenham before switching to management at Portsmouth and then Northampton, is honest in his assessment of the standard of the domestic league. ''It's very poor," he said. "I think there are exceptions, but they don't have the structure here. Most of the better players find themselves looking for football scholarships in the States and the few who are really good end up in the UK, mainly in the lower leagues. But in my eyes they are not a threat to England at all."
Of Trinidad's 23-man squad, 15 ply their trade in Britain, though the team's outstanding player, Aurtis Whitley, is coached by Fenwick at Jabloteh.
Fenwick says Whitley, a skilful midfielder, is to the Soca Warriors what Brian Lara is to Trinidadian cricket, but he is concerned about his temperament.
"He's a top player but he's 27 with the mental attitude of a 17-year-old and I think the big occasion could be too much for him. In fact, I would say that about all of the local players. Aurtis went to Portsmouth two months ago and he was meant to be there for two weeks, but after three days he was on the phone to me wanting to come home."
Fenwick worries that, after so much pre-World Cup hype, the country could be facing a big let-down. "You turn the radio on and hear people saying that Trinidad and Tobago are going to win the World Cup," he said. "Whereas in England we would celebrate on the night of qualification and we might have a hangover the next morning, they haven't stopped partying since they qualified back in November.
"Even the carnival here, which is huge, is all of a sudden being linked with football and the carnival costumes have got footballs all over them. It's all gone really overboard."
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"I wouldn't want them to be battered, but I think England are capable of battering them. Everybody is also under-estimating Sweden. The one game where they feel they might be able to nick something is against Paraguay, but that is their last group game. Basically, the team qualified through the back door. They were the oldest squad in the CONCACAF region and they'll be one of the oldest squads at the World Cup.
sounds like ppl back home yep lol
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What is the source?
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He is making good points, and his assessment about local football is true. I dont know about the phone-ins and "we gonna win the world cup" cus I not in TnT to hear it. But I sure its just joke really. And if he think Trinidad is bad, England is 1000 times worst. Every tournament they have
"the best defence, best midfielders, and best forwards in the WORLD-WE win win IT!!!" ??? But yet they never do!
So their hype in the UK is rediculous and way unjustified.
But I agree that some of our players may act like they ready, but maybe not ready for big time football. I think Beenhakker touched on that point just before the playoffs with Bahrain.
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Fenwick eh inTrinidad long enuff to know de difference between...
Trini ole talk
Rumshop talk
Mamaguy
Fatigue
BS
Day dreaming
An de Gladiator.
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Tuff s*it yuh go eat yuh words!!!!
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problem with us as trini...we dont take the truth to nice at times...always want to hear what sounds good.....he made valid ppoints...
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problem with us as trini...we dont take the truth to nice at times...always want to hear what sounds good.....he made valid ppoints...
100% in agreement! I am fully patriotic, but I am a realist. And the point he made about our players not being ready for the big occaisions has validity. Which is what I fear. Too many examples of freezing when needing to perform.
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This is not bad talking anybody,this is reality,though the timing of it is bad it's something i've always said "we have to wake up".
What i appreciate about these things is that it takes foreigners to expose them to us,a local coach can't do or say anything wrong about Latapy,Yorke,Witley etc etc and this is one of the differences with coaches that we bring home,these guys are professionals and they will make the tough decisions when the time comes without fear or favour.
I'm sure Fenwick might be looking for a job in T&T when all this is over,Beenie may go also because we are just not ready,we give the wrong people a hard time in T&T Football, that's our Coaches,no Trini could critique our Football or Footballers else they in trouble big time,Alvin,Gally,Bsc etc etc
I have certain things i want to say but after the WC.
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Fenwick eh inTrinidad long enuff to know de difference between...
Trini ole talk
Rumshop talk
Mamaguy
Fatigue
BS
Day dreaming
An de Gladiator.
It look like Beenie knows more than him ?
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I can't see what the problem is, the soca warriors are in the world cup so enjoy it. THere's nothing wrong with saying that you're going to win it. My team Port Vale are going to win the FA cup and win the league or get promoted every season, but we never do.
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I can't see what the problem is, the soca warriors are in the world cup so enjoy it. THere's nothing wrong with saying that you're going to win it. My team Port Vale are going to win the FA cup and win the league or get promoted every season, but we never do.
:rotfl:
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I can't see what the problem is, the soca warriors are in the world cup so enjoy it. THere's nothing wrong with saying that you're going to win it. My team Port Vale are going to win the FA cup and win the league or get promoted every season, but we never do.
That is just de supporters. If the supporters not optimistic who will be watching the mathces in the stands :D :wavetowel:
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leave de man
he sayin what everyone else sayin
only we know de truth
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Fenwick eh inTrinidad long enuff to know de difference between...
Trini ole talk
Rumshop talk
Mamaguy
Fatigue
BS
Day dreaming
An de Gladiator.
For real fishes...btw good to see you posting
Add ROBBER TALK to that list. ;)
The only people who seriously think we go win the world cup weren't paying attention to football until the Mexico or the Bahrain games.
If Fenwick want to take them on, let him do it...
All the man doing is basically admitting that he's a hypocrite in the international press...
So what the hell if we've been partying since November? England still talking about 1966 like if was yesterday...Fast and outta place is what I call it.
Yes there will be a letdown if we don't do well...all the waggonists go go back to their regularly scheduled programs. Whatever...we got there with the support of a few; we will go back there with that support all in good time.
STEUPS
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what get me vex is this whitley boy ahh boy dont want to aspire
Fenwick says Whitley, a skilful midfielder, is to the Soca Warriors what Brian Lara is to Trinidadian cricket, but he is concerned about his temperament.
"He's a top player but he's 27 with the mental attitude of a 17-year-old and I think the big occasion could be too much for him. In fact, I would say that about all of the local players. Aurtis went to Portsmouth two months ago and he was meant to be there for two weeks, but after three days he was on the phone to me wanting to come home."
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This is not bad talking anybody,this is reality,though the timing of it is bad it's something i've always said "we have to wake up".
What i appreciate about these things is that it takes foreigners to expose them to us,a local coach can't do or say anything wrong about Latapy,Yorke,Witley etc etc and this is one of the differences with coaches that we bring home,these guys are professionals and they will make the tough decisions when the time comes without fear or favour.
I'm sure Fenwick might be looking for a job in T&T when all this is over,Beenie may go also because we are just not ready,we give the wrong people a hard time in T&T Football, that's our Coaches,no Trini could critique our Football or Footballers else they in trouble big time,Alvin,Gally,Bsc etc etc
I have certain things i want to say but after the WC.
please eh...we know fully well we not winning the world cup but y cant we say we winig? de man playing he trade in trini.. dais silly o fhim to open his mouth. if he was alot of other places in de world he dare not say that. he know we go jus complain and go take a shota rum after. at any rate time will tell.
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This is not bad talking anybody,this is reality,though the timing of it is bad it's something i've always said "we have to wake up".
What i appreciate about these things is that it takes foreigners to expose them to us,a local coach can't do or say anything wrong about Latapy,Yorke,Witley etc etc and this is one of the differences with coaches that we bring home,these guys are professionals and they will make the tough decisions when the time comes without fear or favour.
I'm sure Fenwick might be looking for a job in T&T when all this is over,Beenie may go also because we are just not ready,we give the wrong people a hard time in T&T Football, that's our Coaches,no Trini could critique our Football or Footballers else they in trouble big time,Alvin,Gally,Bsc etc etc
I have certain things i want to say but after the WC.
please eh...we know fully well we not winning the world cup but y cant we say we winig? de man playing he trade in trini.. dais silly o fhim to open his mouth. if he was alot of other places in de world he dare not say that. he know we go jus complain and go take a shota rum after. at any rate time will tell.
The man is talking the truth
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what get me vex is this
Fenwick says Whitley, a skilful midfielder, is to the Soca Warriors what Brian Lara is to Trinidadian cricket, but he is concerned about his temperament.
"He's a top player but he's 27 with the mental attitude of a 17-year-old and I think the big occasion could be too much for him. In fact, I would say that about all of the local players. Aurtis went to Portsmouth two months ago and he was meant to be there for two weeks, but after three days he was on the phone to me wanting to come home."
Is he serious about this?
Triniman the funny thing is that it probably true too. It doesn't sound that strange. Maybe he shouldn't air the fella out so but he and Jabloteh probably pissed because that could have been their best chance of gettin some decent transfer money. But Whitley was missin he honey and wanted some trini sugar so he cry...that sound very realistic :D
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I did not find anything offensive in what he said. Some Trinidadians feel the same way Fenwick feels. The man supporting we, but on the other hand he being a bit realistic. It is his opinion, but he not far off at all. Right now u only hear bout T&T vs England.........like we only playing one match.
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Every week I winning the blasted million lottery, does buy six tickets.....yes ah know the odds of winning, yes ah know statitics say, it only have like 100 ppl who win...and I and millions of ppl buy still...is human nature to dream...."IF yuh doh have ah tkt, yuh doh have ah chance"...the odds of winning the WC better than the Lottery, why shouldn't some ppl dream...as long as ppl not spending plenty of the money before they win it,then wha is the problem, cyah even do that with WC.......Bet Fenwick wa T&T beat England too .....then he could go back home and "Breakin News...Terry Fenwick coaches many of the T&T locals, that beat our boys", send him ah EPL contract...etc...etc..he is also to the agent for that "Wotley" chracter as well....sign the "wasley" and give a finders to Terry...bloh...bloh..
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The man is being brutally honest....although no one can predict what will happen our whole level of football is substandard
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"Leo Beenhakker has done a great job as coach in a short period of time but he has not brought a great deal of youth or athleticism into the side."
The following quote was taken from an article in another thread which focused on Terry Fenwicks supposed dissing of the Trinidad team's chances in the World Cup. However, I thought the most damning statement he made in this article was the above quote. This to me is the strongest criticism of Beenhakker to date; also coming from someone who knows something about our local players and system and has credibility and no known axe to grind with Beenie. So assuming and given the available soccer pool for TnT, did Beenie do a proper job on selection?
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Although he is telling the truth, this should tell you how "ignorant" he is. He saying this to the English media and not thinking it will end up on the web or in the trini newspapers? Regardless of whether he is telling the truth or not, most people would not appeciate what he is saying.
Nonetheless, he mostly right though.
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I will like to take a different perspective on the issue and although confronting the brutal facts and being honest is not an unwarranted trait, however using tact and offering solutions are in my opinion even deserving of desirable traits.
Imagine one is offered a job to coach a team in a country where that person's skills, experience and expertise could enhance the program but instead of working in ways to enhance the overall program, one offers criticism of the said program. First, I know the person's job is not to work with the national program but do you think there are ways in which he could work to improve the program? What solutions or what actions could one take to offer assistance? ummmm......
I am not disputing nor am I refuting the content of the criticism but in so much as trying to discern what contributions the said speaker could have played in the selection, preparation and consultation of our national team. Given once more that he is familiar with our professional league, has a international experience and expertise and most of all has an opinion.
Does anyone know if he was ever consulted or considered to be a part of this campaign? Could he have worked on the staff with BSC in the initial stages? could he have been part of the entourage to select and to train a locally based squad?
Are his comments partly out of a sense of being omitted for consideration considering that he was available? Was this a short sight on the TTFF or was he just not good enough to work with our team in any capacity?
It must be somewhat challenging to be an English national, and hearing the local bantering on the radio about your country. I would hope that Mr.Fenwick is wise enough and astute enough to discern what is we 'ole talk' bravado and what is wishful thinking and hoping. Too often the foreign press is guilty of associating our pride ,our elation and our expression of displaying our joy with a 'carnival attitude Cultural stereotypical comments are not conductive to an accurate portrayal of TNT. It is not every year nor is it a given that a country of our size get to this world stage and these celebrations and our display of affection for our team must be taken in relative context to the event.
With all due respect I applaud the honesty and the brutal reality but I detest the tact.
Respectfully submitted.
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Personally, I think the guy is being brutally honest, and his comments are nothing compared to the comments you hear from US/European/British press. For those of you who get Eurosport, allyuh hear their comments??
"Czech Rep are 135-1 to win the tournament and real dark horses, Trinidad are just 1000-1 to score a goal!" Ouch!!! Trini vs Czech
"You'll get long odds for Trinidad to play a 4th game at the world cup"
Trini Vs Czech
"The marking was absolutely dreadful, appawling defending at this level" - Trini Vs Slovenia
"Finally a shot on goal! Good move from T'n'T. You were wondering for a minute why or how they'd qualified" Trini vs Slovenia
"England would have no problems against this team, nothing for Sven to worry about- BBC full time comments-Trini Vs Wales
So all in all, Fenwick aint "bad talking" we per se, he being honest. And there are far more stinging critisism on Trinidads performances in other press.
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Although he is telling the truth, this should tell you how "ignorant" he is. He saying this to the English media and not thinking it will end up on the web or in the trini newspapers? Regardless of whether he is telling the truth or not, most people would not appeciate what he is saying.
Nonetheless, he mostly right though.
Our players do the same thing in our local papers
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Fenwick eh inTrinidad long enuff to know de difference between...
Trini ole talk
Rumshop talk
Mamaguy
Fatigue
BS
Day dreaming
An de Gladiator.
My sentiments exactly...
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is this about someone who earns a living by hocking our players to his foriegn connections or someone's critisism of 23 players that have nothing to do with the persumed trinidad mindset. i read about a month ago this same clown bigging up whitley being one of the most girted players he has ever been around, but as it seems the player's mentalty will not bring him profit he now must destroy his charector. foreign coaches bring a needed perspective to our football culture but let's not just wave a white flag on any comments that even with truths in them shows a lack of class. because truth be told the carribean mentality is what it is , like any other culture it has its good and bad but if you are going to make a living in it have some respect for it. not only when it benifits you
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I only studyin his comments on Whitley's Pompey trial. Look like Whitley can't handle bein away from home. That is disappointing if it true.
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I only studyin his comments on Whitley's Pompey trial. Look like Whitley can't handle bein away from home. That is disappointing if it true.
Well i wouldnt doubt it. I remember whitley said one reason he couldnt handle ( i cant remember if is a club in portugal or something when he used to play away) was he didnt know the language, and jus wasnt comfortable. I could understand if you missing home but if yuh want to realise yuh potential.....yuh hadda make sacrifices.
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So assuming and given the available soccer pool for TnT, did Beenie do a proper job on selection?
With the talent available I think that he picked the best team. The level of play in the PFL is not of the highest quality.
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I only studyin his comments on Whitley's Pompey trial. Look like Whitley can't handle bein away from home. That is disappointing if it true.
Well i wouldnt doubt it. I remember whitley said one reason he couldnt handle ( i cant remember if is a club in portugal or something when he used to play away) was he didnt know the language, and jus wasnt comfortable. I could understand if you missing home but if yuh want to realise yuh potential.....yuh hadda make sacrifices.
naw he said they did not fix the heat in portugal or sumthing so he was cold for two weeks and he did not hear from his agent.
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yuh know bigger fish than we (France) went in that pond and did not even score a goal or drink the water. So leh we put things in perspective.
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what i find making it worse is he jus playin up to the Trinidad media...and then tellin the UK press thas what he been doin
d man playin us...and gonna commentate for us?!? nah...i find he hadda lose that wuk one time!
he not suppost to be even coachin in PFL after that madness last yr....
anybody have that clip saved? when he elbowed Goulart?
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sometimes an honest opinion is not what is required at a time like this ;)
I fully agree with you! Everything the man say is true but why this honesty now in truth?! If man & dem home want to believe that T&T will be bringing home the World Cup then let them believe that for flipping sake! Dat is exactly the sort of blind support and loyalty we team need right now to inspire them to their best possible performance! In fact I want all the players to also believe we can bring home the World Cup and even Beenie we coach despite what he said the other day expressing his view that T&T will not win the World Cup in an effort to give T&T fans back home a dose of reality.
The bit of the article that had me cracking up the most was the bit that said this:
Fenwick worries that, after so much pre-World Cup hype, the country could be facing a big let-down. "You turn the radio on and hear people saying that Trinidad and Tobago are going to win the World Cup," he said. "Whereas in England we would celebrate on the night of qualification and we might have a hangover the next morning, they haven't stopped partying since they qualified back in November.
"Even the carnival here, which is huge, is all of a sudden being linked with football and the carnival costumes have got footballs all over them. It's all gone really overboard."
:rotfl: :rotfl:
I real love meh Trini people yes! :-* We are definitely the best partyers in the World!
If only the World Cup was based on who could party better than who we will definitely be bringing home the cup but that besides the point!! This is not the time for too much honestly in my opinion as a die-hard T&T football supporter! This is the time for blind support & loyalty so yes I too say T&T has a chance like any of the other top teams of winning the damn World Cup yes! ;)
Go Soca Warriors Go, lets bring the World Cup home and steal England's thunder! ;D
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Face reality he is only saying what a lot of us knows but refuses to believe :rotfl:
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foxsports.com
PREDICTION: You don't need a college degree to know that Brazil is favored to win the World Cup.
Still, researchers at the University of Warwick in England have been analyzing soccer games to predict which team will lift the trophy in Germany.
Brazil, obviously, was the top pick with a 13 percent chance to win its sixth World Cup title.
In the group stage, the Ukraine-Tunisia match was the toughest one to call for the computers. England-Trinidad and Tobago was the easiest, giving the English an 83 percent chance to win.
The forecasts were made by analyzing about 4,500 international games, including prior tournaments, qualifiers, and friendlies. The system gave more weight to recent games.
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Sports is afunny thing ; yes there are predictable factors. But if we know hat the score is ahaed of time, why play the flipping games? why create all this ruchion and all the qualifiers just to get to this level?
People does forget the human factor the unpredictable the unknown; Man if I went scientifc all the time, Brazil would win every world Cup; France would have scored whole heap ah goals last world cup and I WOULD HAVE HAD WHOLE heap ah wives in every soccer nation.
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Sports is afunny thing ; yes there are predictable factors. But if we know hat the score is ahaed of time, why play the flipping games? why create all this ruchion and all the qualifiers just to get to this level?
People does forget the human factor the unpredictable the unknown; Man if I went scientifc all the time, Brazil would win every world Cup; France would have scored whole heap ah goals last world cup and I WOULD HAVE HAD WHOLE heap ah wives in every soccer nation.
calm down Alberta..doh raise yuh blood pressure...it was a just a post to show what ppl (especially fenwick) think based on past performances...we all know the game is not played on paper.
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I aint listening to Fenwick -- Now its clear why he is a club manager and Beenie the National Manager
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I doh see anything wrong with Whitley missing home or not liking the scene away (even if it was 2 days). I living in the US for a couple years now and I doh really like it. The weather alone is enough to drive a man mad. The man is 27.. steupse. Is not like he went to school at 17/18 and had chance to acclimatise to his new surroundings. I missing home everyday. I missing my family. This away scene is not made for everybody. Home is where the heart is....allyuh should respect the man for being honest with himself.
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I doh see anything wrong with Whitley missing home or not liking the scene away (even if it was 2 days). I living in the US for a couple years now and I doh really like it. The weather alone is enough to drive a man mad. The man is 27.. steupse. Is not like he went to school at 17/18 and had chance to acclimatise to his new surroundings. I missing home everyday. I missing my family. This away scene is not made for everybody. Home is where the heart is....allyuh should respect the man for being honest with himself.
I totally agree buh say wah i hope players like him n cornell get ah chance to play in europe after de world cup
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Terry Fenwick was totally honest. I don't find he bad talking anything. He is also right about our better players looking for contracts in lower leagues and going for scholarships in the US. He was spot on for my part. We don't have a good structure. I agree. Do we have talent? Yes plenty of it. Also he was right about players' mentality. Although I doubt Aurtis Whitley will choke at the World Cup. I know he will do good. I think it was a problem of Whitley going there and not being welcomed as he would have liked. For example other players playing him extra rough or not passing the ball ...or things along those lines...Our players not trained to say you know what "Allyuh have to kill me for this spot yes"...Andre Toussaint went on trial and came back and said the players didn't pass the ball and played for themselves...To tell the truth I don't give players wrong for not wanting to go through those things. If I was them I would probably do the same thing....Go T&T
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I understand How Autis Whitley may have felt coming to Portsmouth. I am 25 and been living in London for 15 years. But Trinidad is still fresh in my mind. London on the best days can be very depressing, so Portsmouth would be even worst! And yes, when you come from sunshine, smiles and happy people, to come to this cold, labourous and depressing place it can make you feel home sick easily. I still feel homesick! But still, Europe is where the money and the best prospects of development in football is. So our local boys have to learn to make a compromise in order to further themselves. I dont like England, but I taking what I can get to further myself so I when I leave, I can come back and further Trinidad. I learned to be tough here, and how to play the system in order to survive. Yorke and all the British based players had to do the same ting. The guys back home have to think very long and hard, because it not easy here. Plus you're Black! So that makes it 1000 times harder. I really wish the MLS would get better in terms of quality. Or better still, the Caribbean invest money and start a proper professional championship involving 2-3 clubs from each island. Pay the guys well, get good foreign coaches to lay the foundation, get plenty of corporate backing, and plenty TV coverage to make it work. So our guys (Caribbean) can play football at a good level, without having to leave for Europe. Europe is not always the best option. Even Pele wants Brazillian players to come back and play in Brazil one day when de Brazil FA sort out themselves. European leagues have to much say and power because of the money they have. Hopefully we can get a league in our neck of the woods to rival Europe and give a good alternative to Concacaf footballers.
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I understand How Autis Whitley may have felt coming to Portsmouth. I am 25 and been living in London for 15 years. But Trinidad is still fresh in my mind. London on the best days can be very depressing, so Portsmouth would be even worst! And yes, when you come from sunshine, smiles and happy people, to come to this cold, labourous and depressing place it can make you feel home sick easily. I still feel homesick! But still, Europe is where the money and the best prospects of development in football is. So our local boys have to learn to make a compromise in order to further themselves. I dont like England, but I taking what I can get to further myself so I when I leave, I can come back and further Trinidad. I learned to be tough here, and how to play the system in order to survive. Yorke and all the British based players had to do the same ting. The guys back home have to think very long and hard, because it not easy here. Plus you're Black! So that makes it 1000 times harder. I really wish the MLS would get better in terms of quality. Or better still, the Caribbean invest money and start a proper professional championship involving 2-3 clubs from each island. Pay the guys well, get good foreign coaches to lay the foundation, get plenty of corporate backing, and plenty TV coverage to make it work. So our guys (Caribbean) can play football at a good level, without having to leave for Europe. Europe is not always the best option. Even Pele wants Brazillian players to come back and play in Brazil one day when de Brazil FA sort out themselves. European leagues have to much say and power because of the money they have. Hopefully we can get a league in our neck of the woods to rival Europe and give a good alternative to Concacaf footballers.
Nice, why don't you just piss off back to Trini now and save us poor English folk forking out any more money on you.
Stupid comments like that don't exactly help the "Balck" cause do they.
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Nice, why don't you just piss off back to Trini now and save us poor English folk forking out any more money on you.
Stupid comments like that don't exactly help the "Balck" cause do they.
MY POINT EXACTLY!!!! Unfortunately SOME of you ignorant and clearly unintelligent English folk dont see the big picture. We want to go back and further our countries, cus you wouldnt allow us to further ourselves in your country!
Think before you comment mate! :rotfl:
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Nice, why don't you just piss off back to Trini now and save us poor English folk forking out any more money on you.
Stupid comments like that don't exactly help the "Balck" cause do they.
MY POINT EXACTLY!!!! Unfortunately SOME of you ignorant and clearly unintelligent English folk dont see the big picture. We want to go back and further our countries, cus you wouldnt allow us to further ourselves in your country!
Think before you comment mate! :rotfl:
by all means, go back and further your own country. but do you not think one of the reasons why cities like london have run down ares is that there are a lot of People who come to London, don't care about the place, run it down, take what they can and then leave?
There are loads of opportunities here for all sorts of people. I can't remember the last time I saw a "White" doctor or Dentist (As an example) if you really feel you can not further yourself here, then I suggest that is more to do with an attitude than a colour.
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by all means, go back further your own country. but do you not think oneofhte reasons why cities like london have run down ares is that there are a lot of People who come to London, don't care about the place, run it down, take what they can and then leave?
There are loads of opportunities here for all sorts of people. I can't remember the last time I saw a "White" doctor or Dentist (As an example) if youreally feel you can not further yourself here, then I suggest that is more to do with an attitude than a colour.
I gonna cut you some slack, cus 1) clearly your a moron! 2) we drifting off the subject.
London aint the way it is because of people who come from abroad, run it down and then leave.! it is the way it is, because of bad government, poor policies towards racial and social integration, and an imbalance in how funding is distributed! - So once angain, you just highlighted to the whole world just how blindly ignorant and down right conceited you are. Stop giving English people a bad name, and keep quiet if you dont have a clue whats going on around you! AND YES, BLACK PEOPLE STRUGGLE. Just ask Dwight when he first came. We have to learn how to play the game, before the game plays us. So it ends here! Unless you talking football, shut the F%*K up! >:(
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Hi can anyone recommend a decent bar in central london with a good atmosphere to watch Trinidad and Tobago's opening world cup game game ?
Thanks
Sandra
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What’s wrong, truth hurt? You come out with disrespectful comments against my Country and don’t like it when I bite back?
Of course you have to play the game. Do you think it is any different for an Italian or a Pole coming here? Do you think it is different in France, Germany or the USA? Don’t judge London (Or Portsmouth for that matter) by your own experiences, or think that the grass is greener elsewhere. If it is such a bad place, why is there thousands of people every day trying to move there?
It doesn’t matter what country you are in, anywhere in the world, you only succeed by good luck and hard work. The funny thing with luck though, is that the harder you work the luckier you get.
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What’s wrong, truth hurt? You come out with disrespectful comments against my Country and don’t like it when I bite back?
Of course you have to play the game. Do you think it is any different for an Italian or a Pole coming here? Do you think it is different in France, Germany or the USA? Don’t judge London (Or Portsmouth for that matter) by your own experiences, or think that the grass is greener elsewhere. If it is such a bad place, why is there thousands of people every day trying to move there?
It doesn’t matter what country you are in, anywhere in the world, you only succeed by good luck and hard work. The funny thing with luck though, is that the harder you work the luckier you get.
You clearly are a moron aren't you?? ???
1) I aint a Pole, or Italian, so why the hell am I gonna speak from their point of view???
2) Trinidad dont have war, or famines. But other countries do. So the thousands of refugees coming to this country from war torn and famine countries have no choice! And heres a lil phrase for you; "Colonisation in Reverse" THINK ABOUT IT.
3)The grass is greener, when official polls state 3/4 of the British popluation want to emigrate abroad. Australia 1st, USA 2nd, CARIBBEAN 3rd. And studies show that the quality of life in London, (and I'm sure Pompey a close second :rotfl: ) is lower than anywhere in Western Europe!
I'll pray for a brain for you this xmas! cus clearly you miss placed yours! But then again, when its the size of a rice grain, shit happens! ;D
Peace my English brotha! :rotfl:
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What’s wrong, truth hurt? You come out with disrespectful comments against my Country and don’t like it when I bite back?
Of course you have to play the game. Do you think it is any different for an Italian or a Pole coming here? Do you think it is different in France, Germany or the USA? Don’t judge London (Or Portsmouth for that matter) by your own experiences, or think that the grass is greener elsewhere. If it is such a bad place, why is there thousands of people every day trying to move there?
It doesn’t matter what country you are in, anywhere in the world, you only succeed by good luck and hard work. The funny thing with luck though, is that the harder you work the luckier you get.
You clearly are a moron aren't you?? ???
1) I aint a Pole, or Italian, so why the hell am I gonna speak from their point of view???
2) Trinidad dont have war, or famines. But other countries do. So the thousands of refugees coming to this country from war torn and famine countries have no choice! And heres a lil phrase for you; "Colonisation in Reverse" THINK ABOUT IT.
3)The grass is greener, when official polls state 3/4 of the British popluation want to emigrate abroad. Australia 1st, USA 2nd, CARIBBEAN 3rd. And studies show that the quality of life in London, (and I'm sure Pompey a close second :rotfl: ) is lower than anywhere in Western Europe!
I'll pray for a brain for you this xmas! cus clearly you miss placed yours! But then again, when its the size of a rice grain, shit happens! ;D
Peace my English brotha! :rotfl:
we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
London is the best city in the world (but the weather could be better ;D).
If I could spend my weekdays in London and my weekend's at Pigeon Point, I would be the happiest man around. :beermug:
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The man is not only a thug he is a hypocrite. A few weeks ago Whitley was the best thing since slice bread now he was crying to come home during the trial at Portsmith.
So someone please explain to me how anybody has been edified by this statement. How he feel Whitley go feel when he hear or read about that. Great JOBBBBBBBB THUGGGGGGGGGGG sorry I mean coach.
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I read that article just this morning, it was from the Sunday Times sport section. I was upset and have been upset about the way the media here in the UK have been putting down Trinidad and Tobago. To me whether we do anything in Germany or not, I feel we should be respected for just being there as it took alot of work. I am happy for my team to be in the WC and I am happy when they win or lose although I will like to see them win all the time.
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Maybe the journalist shouldve asked Terry Fenwick when his time come and gone, what he will be most remembered for in his lifetime...
hint] not his opinions on sport... not coaching jabloteh...
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Doh get chain up by UK stories..the amount of lies they print about Dwight Yorke already. This article too bad to be real. Honestly, I doh feel Fenwick dumb enough to criticise Whitley. Tha's his star boy and he have to play under him when he come back. And comparing him to Brian Lara? No way...
Fenwick was a professional footballer...to say those things would be tantamount to suicide. Plus he next in line to coach us, so why burn bridges? Nobody in the football world figure they could say those things and it not make it into the public domain.
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Doh get chain up by UK stories..the amount of lies they print about Dwight Yorke already. This article too bad to be real. Honestly, I doh feel Fenwick dumb enough to criticise Whitley. Tha's his star boy and he have to play under him when he come back. And comparing him to Brian Lara? No way...
Fenwick was a professional footballer...to say those things would be tantamount to suicide. Plus he next in line to coach us, so why burn bridges? Nobody in the football world figure they could say those things and it not make it into the public domain.
TnT could do a lot better than Terry Fenwick for national manager. He has a very poor record as a manager and whilst he may be able to do good things with Jebolteh, I think he would not live up to the high standards set by Leo.
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Doh get chain up by UK stories..the amount of lies they print about Dwight Yorke already. This article too bad to be real. Honestly, I doh feel Fenwick dumb enough to criticise Whitley. Tha's his star boy and he have to play under him when he come back. And comparing him to Brian Lara? No way...
Fenwick was a professional footballer...to say those things would be tantamount to suicide. Plus he next in line to coach us, so why burn bridges? Nobody in the football world figure they could say those things and it not make it into the public domain.
TnT could do a lot better than Terry Fenwick for national manager. He has a very poor record as a manager and whilst he may be able to do good things with Jebolteh, I think he would not live up to the high standards set by Leo.
plus he get dat last critical beat from maradona's goal of de century...
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TnT could do a lot better than Terry Fenwick for national manager. He has a very poor record as a manager and whilst he may be able to do good things with Jebolteh, I think he would not live up to the high standards set by Leo.
That's part of my point too...Fenwick is ranked as among the worst coached ever in the UK. He came to Trinidad and is doing well here where people respect him. He would have to be really, really stupid to come out and say those things to the press in the UK and risk everything he has built down here. I mean seriously, why would an ex-England international come to Trinidad to coach in a barely professional league? Because he is held in such low regard in England. Why upset the only place he can feel important again? Doesn't make sense, which is why I really cah see too much truth in that article. He probably said things like England wil beat Trinidad and that we are celebrating non-stop since just foir qualifying..but they had to embellish and exaggerate to give the story legs
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Dont be fooled- when these crackers are with theor own kind . most of them bad talk we . Left right and center.
They still believe that we are hewers of wood and drawers of water.
To say that a 29yearold has the mentality of a seventeen year old is insulting.
I did not know that Fenwick has a degree in Psycology.
I strongly recommend that the manager of Jabloteh, Fire him.
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I can't see what the problem is, the soca warriors are in the world cup so enjoy it. THere's nothing wrong with saying that you're going to win it. My team Port Vale are going to win the FA cup and win the league or get promoted every season, but we never do.
:rotfl: :rotfl: indeed :rotfl:
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Dont be fooled- when these crackers are with theor own kind . most of them bad talk we . Left right and center.
They still believe that we are hewers of wood and drawers of water.
And we still calling white people 'crackers'.
We're not helping ourselves with comments like these. And men want to rail up (and rightly) on Warner for his racist remarks about Jennings when we doing the same damn thing.
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I understand How Autis Whitley may have felt coming to Portsmouth. I am 25 and been living in London for 15 years. But Trinidad is still fresh in my mind. London on the best days can be very depressing, so Portsmouth would be even worst! And yes, when you come from sunshine, smiles and happy people, to come to this cold, labourous and depressing place it can make you feel home sick easily. I still feel homesick! But still, Europe is where the money and the best prospects of development in football is. So our local boys have to learn to make a compromise in order to further themselves. I dont like England, but I taking what I can get to further myself so I when I leave, I can come back and further Trinidad. I learned to be tough here, and how to play the system in order to survive. Yorke and all the British based players had to do the same ting. The guys back home have to think very long and hard, because it not easy here. Plus you're Black! So that makes it 1000 times harder. I really wish the MLS would get better in terms of quality. Or better still, the Caribbean invest money and start a proper professional championship involving 2-3 clubs from each island. Pay the guys well, get good foreign coaches to lay the foundation, get plenty of corporate backing, and plenty TV coverage to make it work. So our guys (Caribbean) can play football at a good level, without having to leave for Europe. Europe is not always the best option. Even Pele wants Brazillian players to come back and play in Brazil one day when de Brazil FA sort out themselves. European leagues have to much say and power because of the money they have. Hopefully we can get a league in our neck of the woods to rival Europe and give a good alternative to Concacaf footballers.
:applause: :applause:
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That cracker comment was really uncalled for.
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Just for that we go salt England ass. What is the point of badtalking a minnow of international football. Is it that they have doubts about their own national football team. I hope they don't let that 6-0 planassing of JA get to their collective heads. SALT IN DEY ASSSSSS!!! >:(
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Realistically....the guy could be right...I don't think Terry is trying to disrespect Trinidad and Tobago...no way...
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Any one read Fenwick's comments about soca warriors to English press?
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looks like this fenwick man is quite a handfull
what is wrong with him?doesnt he dream?
i cant believe he is from T&T!
maybe he better keep his mouth shut
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How about Terry Fenwick to work with... the devolopment, the identification, the training and promotion of a locally based National squad?
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Isnt he already doing that wit Jabloteh ???
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Isnt he already doing that wit Jabloteh ???
;D True dat AT forget who he coaching
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no no no, sorry, every time that man's name comes up I need to remind you guys that he is a thug!!
we do not need an example of violence for our young sportsmen
If I had my way he wouldn't be coaching or working in T & T at all !!!
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The man is a thug. As people who around Jabloteh the man does be bawling up the under 12 players
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Jan Steadman does bawl up little boys and he also produce some good ballers.......different coaches have different methods.
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bawling is one thing, physical abuse is another. the man is a thug. has been fined, banned, all kinda sanctions, but as usual in trinidad, a foreigner can do no wrong.
sorry, can't forgive how he elbowed the player on the field.
please don't tell me you guys that can remember when dwight used to play for secondary league, can't remember fenwick's behaviour, how he went in the bleachers, during his suspension, and was screaming at his players during a match...come on
why can't we have a good coach, and a good example
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How about Terry Fenwick to work with... the devolopment, the identification, the training and promotion of a locally based National squad?
Alberta where yah does come up with these ideas boy we have a coach and he should be given time to get his system in we dont need an English coach to play boom kick football a Dutch coach is the best way for us to go you guy really think the warriors is Brazil or something just cool yourself with this change coach thing every time we change a coach we taking two step backwards
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ok so he didnt release players to play in the digicel tournament ,but i only see positives from that ,i really cant see any negatives. this is how i see it, the breeding ground 4 our local talent is the pfl and i think a great run by any of our teams in the club championship can only help to do good things 4 the league marketing wise out side of tnt. which i believe will benefit our players on the whole. wasnt it jabloteh who had adopted an all local policy as they sought to invest in tnt players.
we must admit professional football is a bizness 1st b4 anything else. what happened by force can now probably open our football administrators eyes to see that we are full of talent and that this tournament can be a great way of blooding some of our young and promising players.
LONG and short is any negative attitude directed to fenwick on the field of play 2day would be directed to the jabloteh players no matter whats your motive or how much u say is fenwick alone u dont like.
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ayee Fenwick dais you ;D wha happening man?
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fenwick is a kakahole
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Check Pro League web site where there is a video with Fenwick saying that Baptiste & Daniel will have difficulty making the squad for today. Then he goes on to say that they performed well for T&T so now it is time for them to do the same for Jabloteh.
Will he include them? i really hope he does as I don't think that they should be punished for reprresenting their country, plus they are match fit.
www.ttproleague.com
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I know this topic probably get lick already, but I eh go really get vex with Fenwick for not releasing the players.
If the Jabloteh organisation trying to help the national cause by going strictly local, then at least the league coulda give them a bligh when international games come around. To send half yuh starting team to play for the country and then to missout on the league title by goal difference is not a easy thing for a coach to take.
Fenwick better play Daniel and Baptiste...he go have to be mad to go into battle without he lieutenants.
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I know this topic probably get lick already, but I eh go really get vex with Fenwick for not releasing the players.
If the Jabloteh organisation trying to help the national cause by going strictly local, then at least the league coulda give them a bligh when international games come around. To send half yuh starting team to play for the country and then to missout on the league title by goal difference is not a easy thing for a coach to take.
Fenwick better play Daniel and Baptiste...he go have to be mad to go into battle without he lieutenants.
Have Daniel and Baptiste missed any games while playing in the DC?
If they could play in the DC and then make the squad for the next game, why not Cyd and Whitley?
If Jabloteh been resting, wont Cyd and Whitley lack games fitness and sharpness as opposed to Daniel and Baptiste?
Could not Fenwick and Wim agreed to not play the Jabloteh players for the full 90 so as not to burn them out?
Fenwick is a kakahole.
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Fenwick is a kakahole.
Baptiste and Daniel will probably be in better form than the other players. This had nothing to do with keeping players fresh for the games...nothing at all.
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There's no question that Daniel and Baptiste will be in better form than his other players.
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There's no question that Daniel and Baptiste will be in better form than his other players.
Playing 5 games in 12 days ent easy, and to play 7 in 17 is going to be even more difficult.
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Had Grey and Whitley and others(Tousse and ???) been allowed....who would we have not seen ? Next question, If jablo or the W win the whole club championships, which trophy(DC or CC) will serve T&T best in the long run ?
thirdly, who is not ah kakahole in some of our fickle minds ? not me !(dbl -ive) ;D
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Had Grey and Whitley and others(Tousse and ???) been allowed....who would we have not seen ? Next question, If jablo or the W win the whole club championships, which trophy(DC or CC) will serve T&T best in the long run ?
thirdly, who is not ah kakahole in some of our fickle minds ? not me !(dbl -ive) ;D
the Digicel Cup and tournament will serve T&T better than the CFU, if Wim deceide that the players who played starting to gel and not pick Whitley and Cyd, cause he dont want to disrupt that, then men go want to call him a kakahole.
My biggest problem with this is that the players and the country had to pay the biggest price for Fenwick to make a point, like someone said it was not about doing the best for his team, he wanted to make a stand.
The means have to justify the end and in this case not having those guys on the team was too big a price to pay he should have found another way.
Don Leo had a dread streak about him, them men mighta never get call back if he was still around.
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you answered one question, and you or I got confused on it.
I was under the impression Digicel cup IS CFU. I guess I was wrong
My biggest positive, players who would not have had a chance to be seen otherwise, got an opportunity (plus cap). Both Cyd and Whitley may not be around for 2010, and I am not certain they would have changed the final outcome, though we as fans may have had more confidence. Imagine, if we had still lost with them . Whim would then be ah kakahole for picking them and not giving the youths a chance and working on the future. Had we won with them, well we were supposed to win anyway.
Anyway, it's only a difference of opinion...buh I remember (won't bother to dig it up) when whitley, and Grey (amongst many others players and coaches) was to many socalled supporters kakaholes too....
buh it so easy to stand in the crowd incognito and heckle, than step up on the stage and perform....ah glad some new boys got this opportunity, even from the same Fenwick......is not no love thing, just Respect...something ah think we tend to disregard so easily.....this man coaching (and winning) with one of the top teams in Trinidad for years, and chose to stay, where many of us, run the other way.....if he is ah kakahole, wha dat say bout we and everybody else ?
sorry bro, ah won't ever see he and many others so...
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Maxg doh get tie up. Fenwick making plenty plenty money here. More money than all the other PFL coaches combined, plus plenty perks. Money he cyar never ever make in his country England.
So doh get tie up, it eh no love it is for his money he wukking.
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you answered one question, and you or I got confused on it.
I was under the impression Digicel cup IS CFU. I guess I was wrong
My biggest positive, players who would not have had a chance to be seen otherwise, got an opportunity (plus cap). Both Cyd and Whitley may not be around for 2010, and I am not certain they would have changed the final outcome, though we as fans may have had more confidence. Imagine, if we had still lost with them . Whim would then be ah kakahole for picking them and not giving the youths a chance and working on the future. Had we won with them, well we were supposed to win anyway.
Anyway, it's only a difference of opinion...buh I remember (won't bother to dig it up) when whitley, and Grey (amongst many others players and coaches) was to many socalled supporters kakaholes too....
buh it so easy to stand in the crowd incognito and heckle, than step up on the stage and perform....ah glad some new boys got this opportunity, even from the same Fenwick......is not no love thing, just Respect...something ah think we tend to disregard so easily.....this man coaching (and winning) with one of the top teams in Trinidad for years, and chose to stay, where many of us, run the other way.....if he is ah kakahole, wha dat say bout we and everybody else ?
sorry bro, ah won't ever see he and many others so...
The fact that many youths get a spot to play in this tournament is a positive byproduct of Fenwicks kakaholeness. Is not like that was his plan so we have to thank him for that.
We cant look now after the fact and because we did so well, give Fenwick a bligh because things turned out well. We needed to field our strongest local team and he hindered that.
I dont remember that time you speak of when Whitley and Cyd were kakaholes, you may need to dig that up for me to understand your reference.
Just because he was within his right to withhold the players, does not make it the right thing to do. county before club, I bet you anything he believed that when he played for England so he should respect our players and country this rounds.
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It's not a given the the players who played in the tournament will be more ready than those who did not. That's a thing of the past. I am sure Jabloteh have more than 22 players. Sharpness can be developed in practice. There is a reason teams have 25-30 players. Even a team of 20 players can push each other to the edge playing 9v9. It's all about the tone the coach sets in practice.
Look at the pace the National team played at, slow as hell. Plus the type of play (or lack thereof) may not be what Fenwick wants and this is the mode those who played with the National team will be in. We need to get with the program. This link is just and idea into how real training sessions are organized.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGzudKBHR2w
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Maxg doh get tie up. Fenwick making plenty plenty money here. More money than all the other PFL coaches combined, plus plenty perks. Money he cyar never ever make in his country England.
So doh get tie up, it eh no love it is for his money he wukking.
Tie up...nah...I cyah be in no bind over dat...doh ah doubt he getting all that...buh who choose to pay him ? why ? why don't dey juss hire a cheaper local guy ? Is it Fenwick fault he getting whatever he ask for ? anyway dat is another story...
Seems like ppl here know Fenwick real stories, better than the Jab players,fans & management, and like the techn ppl at TTFF fraid him...as a matter of fact, like he have T&T football in ah bind cause he taking we best players and we cyah get them...ah being sarcastic here eh.. ah asking mehself ah question here...why we players suing we federation boy ? Like they only represent for the money ? Nah...I don't think so...
lemme see...Tousse doh play for Jab...how come Fev ent get designation ?
Look me doh know much nah... To much questions. an everybody else know....so I not no kk, i jus chupid so
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Toussaint & Pacheco were not selected. 2 guys were selected from W Connection, Jan & Nickolson (Ice) Thomas. Wim dropped Ice from the 20, so get your stories straight. W Connection went to Brazil & they both stayed here in training. When Ice get dropped from the squad John Williams sent him to Brazil to join the rest of the team. So leave Fev out of it. Doh tie up others in your defence of Fenwick.
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I will try to get my stories in order..by asking more pertinent questions.....but note I'm not defending Fenwick or any such body, ah doh have that capability or pull...When I do defend you definately will be able to tell....
Bro, call who yuh want, what yuh want, when yuh want...cause you seem to miss my whole point...For the record, the whole football scene is not my highest priority as far as T&T is concerned...Allyuh(others with the same mindset like yuhself) say Fenwick is ah kakahole, then as allyuh have all allyuh stories straight, he musbe ah kakahole...doh for ah kakahole, he managing pretty good.....ah jus don't agree....ah running 'long..take win
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you answered one question, and you or I got confused on it.
I was under the impression Digicel cup IS CFU. I guess I was wrong
My biggest positive, players who would not have had a chance to be seen otherwise, got an opportunity (plus cap). Both Cyd and Whitley may not be around for 2010, and I am not certain they would have changed the final outcome, though we as fans may have had more confidence. Imagine, if we had still lost with them . Whim would then be ah kakahole for picking them and not giving the youths a chance and working on the future. Had we won with them, well we were supposed to win anyway.
Anyway, it's only a difference of opinion...buh I remember (won't bother to dig it up) when whitley, and Grey (amongst many others players and coaches) was to many socalled supporters kakaholes too....
buh it so easy to stand in the crowd incognito and heckle, than step up on the stage and perform....ah glad some new boys got this opportunity, even from the same Fenwick......is not no love thing, just Respect...something ah think we tend to disregard so easily.....this man coaching (and winning) with one of the top teams in Trinidad for years, and chose to stay, where many of us, run the other way.....if he is ah kakahole, wha dat say bout we and everybody else ?
sorry bro, ah won't ever see he and many others so...
The fact that many youths get a spot to play in this tournament is a positive byproduct of Fenwicks kakaholeness. Is not like that was his plan so we have to thank him for that.
We cant look now after the fact and because we did so well, give Fenwick a bligh because things turned out well. We needed to field our strongest local team and he hindered that.
I dont remember that time you speak of when Whitley and Cyd were kakaholes, you may need to dig that up for me to understand your reference.
Just because he was within his right to withhold the players, does not make it the right thing to do. county before club, I bet you anything he believed that when he played for England so he should respect our players and country this rounds.
Early nomination for phrase of de year. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Fenwick filled with mixed emotions after booking place in CFU final
Saturday, 27 January 2007
By Randy Bando...
www.ttproleague.com
The CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh coach Terry Fenwick had mixed feelings after his teams 2-0 win against Baltimore Sportif in their Caribbean Club Championship semifinal match on Friday at the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium. Fenwick expressed disappointment as well as satisfaction in his teams performance after playing with only ten men in the second period.
He told ttproleague.com in a post match interview, Im actually quite disappointed because we were poor by our standard against Baltimore Sportif, but I also have to say we played particularly well even with ten men and proved to be the better team winning comfortably.
As to the performance of Baltimore Sportif, the Jabloteh coach said, They are a good, hard working bunch, just as we saw with their national team in the Digicel Caribbean Cup. Baltimore Sportif has a number of quality players and quite a number of them are on their national team, added the Englishman.
Meanwhile attacking midfielder Jason Marcano believes his team could have done much better with their performance.
Marcano told ttproleague.com, I would have to say the match was a tough one but I believe we could have done a lot better. We have been working hard in training and we now have to put out what we have been practicing.
Baltimore Sportif played at a really fast pace and most of their players are on the Haitian national team. They are a good team but I believe we are better, ended the San Juan Jabloteh Most Improved player in 2006.
Jabloteh fell to ten men after defender and team captain Cyd Gray received a second yellow card on the half time mark and was sent off leaving his coach displeased, From an international player like Cyd I am really upset with what he did. He was performing really excellent during the match then he let himself and the team down. The rash challenge was unnecessary because it was near to the half line.
I will be meeting with him on it, because I cant tolerate carelessness like that, assured the coach.
The former England player however, believes he has the resources to fill the place of the world cup defender saying, Its not a crucial blow to us without Cyd in the final. Ive got a defenders who can replace him in the final, ended Fenwick.
CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh would now meet rival Pro League Club Vibe CT 105 W Connection in the final on Sunday at the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium.
W Connection defeated Jamaican Club Harbour View 3-2 in their semifinal match on Friday.
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Fenwick filled with mixed emotions after booking place in CFU final
Saturday, 27 January 2007
By Randy Bando...
www.ttproleague.com
The CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh coach Terry Fenwick had mixed feelings after his teams 2-0 win against Baltimore Sportif in their Caribbean Club Championship semifinal match on Friday at the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium. Fenwick expressed disappointment as well as satisfaction in his teams performance after playing with only ten men in the second period.
He told ttproleague.com in a post match interview, Im actually quite disappointed because we were poor by our standard against Baltimore Sportif, but I also have to say we played particularly well even with ten men and proved to be the better team winning comfortably.
As to the performance of Baltimore Sportif, the Jabloteh coach said, They are a good, hard working bunch, just as we saw with their national team in the Digicel Caribbean Cup. Baltimore Sportif has a number of quality players and quite a number of them are on their national team, added the Englishman.
Meanwhile attacking midfielder Jason Marcano believes his team could have done much better with their performance.
Marcano told ttproleague.com, I would have to say the match was a tough one but I believe we could have done a lot better. We have been working hard in training and we now have to put out what we have been practicing.
Baltimore Sportif played at a really fast pace and most of their players are on the Haitian national team. They are a good team but I believe we are better, ended the San Juan Jabloteh Most Improved player in 2006.
Jabloteh fell to ten men after defender and team captain Cyd Gray received a second yellow card on the half time mark and was sent off leaving his coach displeased, From an international player like Cyd I am really upset with what he did. He was performing really excellent during the match then he let himself and the team down. The rash challenge was unnecessary because it was near to the half line.
I will be meeting with him on it, because I cant tolerate carelessness like that, assured the coach.
The former England player however, believes he has the resources to fill the place of the world cup defender saying, Its not a crucial blow to us without Cyd in the final. Ive got a defenders who can replace him in the final, ended Fenwick.
CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh would now meet rival Pro League Club Vibe CT 105 W Connection in the final on Sunday at the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium.
W Connection defeated Jamaican Club Harbour View 3-2 in their semifinal match on Friday.
this is exactly why Fenwick is a kakahole....
if yuh could play in the final without Cyd why the fACK yuh aint let him play for his country!!!!????
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Baltimore Sportif coach accepts defeat
Saturday, 27 January 2007
By Randy Bando
Coach Pierre Andre Dorvilus of the Haitian Club Baltimore Sportif believes the better team won on the night, after the Haitians went down 2-0 in their semifinal match against Pro League giants CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh in the Caribbean Club Championship.
San Juan Jabloteh cruised to victory with goals from Peter Prosper and Wendell Joseph and would now meet local archrivals Vibe CT 105 W Connection in the final on Sunday.
Coach Dorvilus spoke with ttproleague.com and said, The better team won the match and are into the final. The Pro League club was physically ready and they proved to be the better team in the end and I believe they deserve to progress and would do better in the finals, he said after the match.
However the Baltimore Sportif coach was quick to add, Key players in our team were very tired, due to some of them coming off national duty and this is why they were not able to play at their best. I strongly believe this contributed to why we lost the match to San Juan Jabloteh, explained the Haitian.
Two Baltimore Sportif players represented the Haitian national team in the just concluded Digicel Caribbean Cup where they were successfully crowned the 2007 Champions of the Caribbean. Those two players are Peter Germain and Ednerson Raymond.
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Baltimore Sportif has a number of quality players and quite a number of them are on their national team, added the Englishman.
Baltimore Sportif played at a really fast pace and most of their players are on the Haitian national team.
However the Baltimore Sportif coach was quick to add, Key players in our team were very tired, due to some of them coming off national duty and this is why they were not able to play at their best. I strongly believe this contributed to why we lost the match to San Juan Jabloteh, explained the Haitian.
Two Baltimore Sportif players represented the Haitian national team in the just concluded Digicel Caribbean Cup where they were successfully crowned the 2007 Champions of the Caribbean. Those two players are Peter Germain and Ednerson Raymond.
??? So how many players are on their National team? Several or 2? This makes it sound like Jabloteh is better than our Digicel squad
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Baltimore Sportif has a number of quality players and quite a number of them are on their national team, added the Englishman.
Baltimore Sportif played at a really fast pace and most of their players are on the Haitian national team.
However the Baltimore Sportif coach was quick to add, Key players in our team were very tired, due to some of them coming off national duty and this is why they were not able to play at their best. I strongly believe this contributed to why we lost the match to San Juan Jabloteh, explained the Haitian.
Two Baltimore Sportif players represented the Haitian national team in the just concluded Digicel Caribbean Cup where they were successfully crowned the 2007 Champions of the Caribbean. Those two players are Peter Germain and Ednerson Raymond.
??? So how many players are on their National team? Several or 2? This makes it sound like Jabloteh is better than our Digicel squad
Only one way to find out............
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I will be meeting with him on it, because I cant tolerate carelessness like that, assured the coach.
The former England player however, believes he has the resources to fill the place of the world cup defender saying, Its not a crucial blow to us without Cyd in the final. Ive got a defenders who can replace him in the final, ended Fenwick.
CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh would now meet rival Pro League Club Vibe CT 105 W Connection in the final on Sunday at the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium.
W Connection defeated Jamaican Club Harbour View 3-2 in their semifinal match on Friday.
this is exactly why Fenwick is a kakahole....
if yuh could play in the final without Cyd why the fACK yuh aint let him play for his country!!!!????
what he means is jabloteh team is not built around 1 player
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??? So how many players are on their National team? Several or 2? This makes it sound like Jabloteh is better than our Digicel squad
Didn't Jabloteh have two T&T players that just competed in the Digicel Cup on they team also. This man taking about 2 players... 8)
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I have been trying to understand, what makes Fenwick a kakahole? He has coached his team to the CFU final. It may be me but how is he stupid? Why because he did not totally succumb to the TTFF? Why are we not blaming the TTFF instead of Fenwick? We could call him all the names we want , but there is not a local coach doing better than him right now. So what does that make us?
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I have been trying to understand, what makes Fenwick a kakahole? He has coached his team to the CFU final. It may be me but how is he stupid? Why because he did not totally succumb to the TTFF? Why are we not blaming the TTFF instead of Fenwick? We could call him all the names we want , but there is not a local coach doing better than him right now. So what does that make us?
He is a kakahole because the only people he punish by withholding his players, are his players and the country.
The man now lose of them same two players for the FINAL of the tournament he was saving them for and bawl is no big thing he have other players to play in the spot, so why the arse he aint let the man play for his country then if he so easily replaced?
I am sure in his time, when called to play for england he was answering the call even if it was a friendly.
Him self want more locals to get a shot on the National Team but when the coach call them he telling them not to go, thats a hypocrite.
he could have worked out a compromise with Wim, maybe the guys only play the the 2nd half of games, maybe they only play every other game and final if we make it that far....something
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I have been trying to understand, what makes Fenwick a kakahole? He has coached his team to the CFU final. It may be me but how is he stupid? Why because he did not totally succumb to the TTFF? Why are we not blaming the TTFF instead of Fenwick? We could call him all the names we want , but there is not a local coach doing better than him right now. So what does that make us?
He is a kakahole because the only people he punish by withholding his players, are his players and the country.
The man now lose of them same two players for the FINAL of the tournament he was saving them for and bawl is no big thing he have other players to play in the spot, so why the arse he aint let the man play for his country then if he so easily replaced?
I am sure in his time, when called to play for england he was answering the call even if it was a friendly.
Him self want more locals to get a shot on the National Team but when the coach call them he telling them not to go, thats a hypocrite.
he could have worked out a compromise with Wim, maybe the guys only play the the 2nd half of games, maybe they only play every other game and final if we make it that far....something
yuh pointless Mr Mc sorry to say that ... reason it out and dont talk with just pure emotions
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Quote from: elan on Today at 04:47:57 PM
I have been trying to understand, what makes Fenwick a kakahole? He has coached his team to the CFU final. It may be me but how is he stupid? Why because he did not totally succumb to the TTFF? Why are we not blaming the TTFF instead of Fenwick? We could call him all the names we want , but there is not a local coach doing better than him right now. So what does that make us?
He is a kakahole because the only people he punish by withholding his players, are his players and the country.
The man now lose of them same two players for the FINAL of the tournament he was saving them for and bawl is no big thing he have other players to play in the spot, so why the arse he aint let the man play for his country then if he so easily replaced?
I am sure in his time, when called to play for england he was answering the call even if it was a friendly.
Him self want more locals to get a shot on the National Team but when the coach call them he telling them not to go, thats a hypocrite.
he could have worked out a compromise with Wim, maybe the guys only play the the 2nd half of games, maybe they only play every other game and final if we make it that far....something
Hind sight is always 20/20, that's why football have subs. Maybe Fenwick was hoping that they would be at the finals, which he is however; they not playing but they helping get there so maybe the means justify the end. Last time around he may have felt if his playersdid not play all those games leading up to the CFU he would have faired better and so far he would be right.
That said I don't think that make him a kakahole. BUt say what we all entitled to our opinion. I maybe talking a bunch of nothing for all yuh know... :-\
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I have been trying to understand, what makes Fenwick a kakahole? He has coached his team to the CFU final. It may be me but how is he stupid? Why because he did not totally succumb to the TTFF? Why are we not blaming the TTFF instead of Fenwick? We could call him all the names we want , but there is not a local coach doing better than him right now. So what does that make us?
He is a kakahole because the only people he punish by withholding his players, are his players and the country.
The man now lose of them same two players for the FINAL of the tournament he was saving them for and bawl is no big thing he have other players to play in the spot, so why the arse he aint let the man play for his country then if he so easily replaced?
I am sure in his time, when called to play for england he was answering the call even if it was a friendly.
Him self want more locals to get a shot on the National Team but when the coach call them he telling them not to go, thats a hypocrite.
he could have worked out a compromise with Wim, maybe the guys only play the the 2nd half of games, maybe they only play every other game and final if we make it that far....something
yuh pointless Mr Mc sorry to say that ... reason it out and dont talk with just pure emotions
pointless you say.
not only did i answer the question as to why i call the man a kakahole, but instead of just complaining i also suggested possible alternative actions he could have taken. I backed up my opinion with factual statements Fenwick himself.
How much more reasoning you want, or is that you want me to come to the same understanding that you have?
To you I am being emotional and piontless.
Sorry pardna just because you dont agree with my opinion does not mean I dont have a point.
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W Connection's coach Stuart Charles Fevrier is a better local coach than Fenwick. He have Connection playing class football whilst Fenwick have Jabloteh playing boom boom long ball. Jabloteh was otclassed by Connection today.
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I have been trying to understand, what makes Fenwick a kakahole? He has coached his team to the CFU final. It may be me but how is he stupid? Why because he did not totally succumb to the TTFF? Why are we not blaming the TTFF instead of Fenwick? We could call him all the names we want , but there is not a local coach doing better than him right now. So what does that make us?
He is a kakahole because the only people he punish by withholding his players, are his players and the country.
The man now lose of them same two players for the FINAL of the tournament he was saving them for and bawl is no big thing he have other players to play in the spot, so why the arse he aint let the man play for his country then if he so easily replaced?
I am sure in his time, when called to play for england he was answering the call even if it was a friendly.
Him self want more locals to get a shot on the National Team but when the coach call them he telling them not to go, thats a hypocrite.
he could have worked out a compromise with Wim, maybe the guys only play the the 2nd half of games, maybe they only play every other game and final if we make it that far....something
yuh pointless Mr Mc sorry to say that ... reason it out and dont talk with just pure emotions
pointless you say.
not only did i answer the question as to why i call the man a kakahole, but instead of just complaining i also suggested possible alternative actions he could have taken. I backed up my opinion with factual statements Fenwick himself.
How much more reasoning you want, or is that you want me to come to the same understanding that you have?
To you I am being emotional and piontless.
Sorry pardna just because you dont agree with my opinion does not mean I dont have a point.
First of all he was not punishing his players
Secondly you made about point about fewick himself answering the call to play for england well fuh 1 thing if manu liverpool and chelsea had champions league game about 2 days after a non sanction fifa friendly see if fergie wenger etc release players and risk them getting injured in a non sanction fifa game much less a non sanction tournament ...
Fenwick's job is to put jabloteh in a positon for the best possible shot at that cfu club cup ... work out sumthing with wim so he go tell a national coach how to jabloteh players come on now .... blame the cfu not jabloteh
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I have been trying to understand, what makes Fenwick a kakahole? He has coached his team to the CFU final. It may be me but how is he stupid? Why because he did not totally succumb to the TTFF? Why are we not blaming the TTFF instead of Fenwick? We could call him all the names we want , but there is not a local coach doing better than him right now. So what does that make us?
He is a kakahole because the only people he punish by withholding his players, are his players and the country.
The man now lose of them same two players for the FINAL of the tournament he was saving them for and bawl is no big thing he have other players to play in the spot, so why the arse he aint let the man play for his country then if he so easily replaced?
I am sure in his time, when called to play for england he was answering the call even if it was a friendly.
Him self want more locals to get a shot on the National Team but when the coach call them he telling them not to go, thats a hypocrite.
he could have worked out a compromise with Wim, maybe the guys only play the the 2nd half of games, maybe they only play every other game and final if we make it that far....something
yuh pointless Mr Mc sorry to say that ... reason it out and dont talk with just pure emotions
pointless you say.
not only did i answer the question as to why i call the man a kakahole, but instead of just complaining i also suggested possible alternative actions he could have taken. I backed up my opinion with factual statements Fenwick himself.
How much more reasoning you want, or is that you want me to come to the same understanding that you have?
To you I am being emotional and piontless.
Sorry pardna just because you dont agree with my opinion does not mean I dont have a point.
First of all he was not punishing his players
Secondly you made about point about fewick himself answering the call to play for england well fuh 1 thing if manu liverpool and chelsea had champions league game about 2 days after a non sanction fifa friendly see if fergie wenger etc release players and risk them getting injured in a non sanction fifa game much less a non sanction tournament ...
Fenwick's job is to put jabloteh in a positon for the best possible shot at that cfu club cup ... work out sumthing with wim so he go tell a national coach how to jabloteh players come on now .... blame the cfu not jabloteh
His intent may not have been to punish his players but certainly did them a disservice by keeping them from playing in the DC.
The Digicel was not a non sanctioned friendly, it was non sanctioned yes but it was international matches that determined who goes on to the FIFA sanctioned Gold Cup.
Jabloteh does not exist in a vacum, they have national players in thier ranks and sometimes there is a conflict, everyone knows, well at least its my opinion Country before Club. So when a conflict arises, Country take precedence and the club is left short handed, it happens all the time to all clubs. Not everytime they should lose out, but in this case Country should have come first.
I am not saying the Fenwick could tell Wim how to manage his players, but a compromise could have been worked out. In agreement for givng his players his blessing to take part in the tournament, Wim could have agreed not to run them hard, not to play them for full 90 mins, not to play them in all the matches.
I mean just recently didnt Dwight skip a game to head back to his club?
I dont think because Fenwick is upset with the CFU planning, that justifys the country having to do without some of its best local players, because the only people that lose out are the players and the country, not fenwick and not the cfu.
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Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Reply #12 on: Today at 09:07:45 PM
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W Connection's coach Stuart Charles Fevrier is a better local coach than Fenwick. He have Connection playing class football whilst Fenwick have Jabloteh playing boom boom long ball. Jabloteh was otclassed by Connection today.
When I said local I meant Trinidadian. Connection coach is he Trini? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. ???
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Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Reply #12 on: Today at 09:07:45 PM
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W Connection's coach Stuart Charles Fevrier is a better local coach than Fenwick. He have Connection playing class football whilst Fenwick have Jabloteh playing boom boom long ball. Jabloteh was otclassed by Connection today.
When I said local I meant Trinidadian. Connection coach is he Trini? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. ???
Fenwick surprised me. He does a running comentary from the coaches box. I'm quite sure he gets tuned out after a few minutes :devil:
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Stuart Charles Fevrier was born in Curacao, of St. Lucian parents. Returned to St. Lucia at age 4. He came to Trinidad at age 17 & played with ASL, Pro Pioneers & Trintoc. Left Trinidad in 1986 to return to coach St. Lucia's National team at the request of the St. Lucian government. He returned to Trinidad at the inception of the PFL in 1999.
Flex has his resume so he probably can pull it up.
In my mind he is as local as local can be, because he has earned a living as a player here & now as a coach.
He played alongside gally, Shabazz, Brian,Spann etc.
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Somehow ah doh feel Whitley too happy there right now. Not sure if he is too happy period. "Presshah" from Fenwick, persecution from Jackula >:( , non-selection for games abroad, slim chance for Gold Cup and scouting opportunities, no foreign contract.....Sigh :-\.
Fenwick takes CFU defeat in stride
Monday, 29 January 2007
By James Saunders...
www.ttproleague.com
CL Financial San Juan Jablotehs Head Coach Terry Fenwick says he is not overly disappointed with his team, despite his side lost to local rivals W Connection in the Club Championship final on Sunday evening.
According to the Englishman, in a post match interview with ttproleague.com, his club did little wrong besides the mistake that cost them the goal.
Of course we wanted to win so in that sense Im disappointed, but the guys fought hard and dominated the second half of the game, however unfortunately it just wasnt our night.
When questioned why experienced World Cup midfielder Aurtis Whitley was left on the bench until late in the second half, Fenwick said that the player was not playing up to the level required of the team.
I dont pick my team on name or because of who you are or if you represented your country, I pick players on performance and right now there are players who are putting in the hard work and deserve their chance to start.
Fenwick further cited that despite the absence of some of his regular starters like goalkeeper Durance Williams and World Cup defender Cyd Gray his team was not under strength.
I must give credit to youngsters like Jason Marcano, Karlon Murray and Lester Peltier who have been given opportunities and have performed remarkably well. The youngsters have stood up big time for the club so to them we are grateful and we will continue to give them our support, and while we were unable to pull off a victory here in the Caribbean club championships, their performance augurs well for the upcoming season, ended the former English international.
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Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
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Somehow ah doh feel Whitley too happy there right now. Not sure if he is too happy period. "Presshah" from Fenwick, persecution from Jackula , non-selection for games abroad, slim chance for Gold Cup and scouting opportunities, no foreighn contract.....Sigh .
Fenwick takes CFU defeat in stride
Monday, 29 January 2007
By James Saunders...
www.ttproleague.com
CL Financial San Juan Jablotehs Head Coach Terry Fenwick says he is not overly disappointed with his team, despite his side lost to local rivals W Connection in the Club Championship final on Sunday evening.
According to the Englishman, in a post match interview with ttproleague.com, his club did little wrong besides the mistake that cost them the goal.
Of course we wanted to win so in that sense Im disappointed, but the guys fought hard and dominated the second half of the game, however unfortunately it just wasnt our night.
When questioned why experienced World Cup midfielder Aurtis Whitley was left on the bench until late in the second half, Fenwick said that the player was not playing up to the level required of the team.
I dont pick my team on name or because of who you are or if you represented your country, I pick players on performance and right now there are players who are putting in the hard work and deserve their chance to start.
Fenwick further cited that despite the absence of some of his regular starters like goalkeeper Durance Williams and World Cup defender Cyd Gray his team was not under strength.
I must give credit to youngsters like Jason Marcano, Karlon Murray and Lester Peltier who have been given opportunities and have performed remarkably well. The youngsters have stood up big time for the club so to them we are grateful and we will continue to give them our support, and while we were unable to pull off a victory here in the Caribbean club championships, their performance augurs well for the upcoming season, ended the former English international.
I think the man making sense. I can't understand why these guys who went to the WC feel they are above the locals. From recent report of sealy not wanting to give al in practice, now Fenwick saying how Whitley slacking off. I hope they know they not hurting anyone but they self. It other guys who hungry and will step up to take they spot. Come on guy act like leaders.
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Yesterday at the game a Jabloteh fan told me that Whitley together with 4 other players broke camp & went to party. That is the reasomn for him not starting, so Fenwick was just being diplomatic
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Whitley gone through..... all them players who went world cup head gone. It sad because this should have led to better things, a block to build on, not a decline in our football...... them men should be happy to pass the tourch....
This could never happen in no other country except T&T, them Brazilians at W Connection could teach T&T players a thing or two on how representing your country is the ultimate honour doh matter how big or small your country is.....
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I have ben following terry fenwicks career in trinidad and tobago for the last few years this includes watching him at practice and in games .while i commend him for choosing local players and giving youngsters exposure .I am convinced of three things .he cannot find employment in any country that seeks quality coaching(he has not lasted long in any coaching position he has held,he is literally a reject),he is a bad influence on players and in his own way as indisciplined or more so than most (his many sending offs and his assault with his elbow on a w connection player).he is here in an attempt to enrich himself by being an agent and hopefully coaching t&t s international team (he does not care about trinidad and tobagos football.history will show that he and mr miller the ttfa's former marketing manager(icannot remember his first name)were british rejects who were able to talk a good game, and because they were british it was assumed that they were good.
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ah could see that happening, especially how he beef up his resume with, playing for QPR, Spurs, and England...and gettin a run past by Maradona....doh mean he could coach. buh sometimes yuh does take ah chance based on ah recommendation or a resume, and end up with ah dud..
Does he even have a coaching license ?
I have observed other coaches real bawl up players on ah to long past visit to Trinidad, From NFL(they still have that) to National and ah was quite disappointed - an they call dat we glory years, an now this reject come with the same method that obviously doh work elsewhere and managing some degree of success ? Is like we players like thug life or boff or wha ?
nb ah not being sarcastic or defendin nobody , ah really never play with players from T&T...
Well except for a practice with Falcons way back in '76 I think...after ah score bout 5 goals in half hour...the coach(Trujillo) stop play an say "Allyuh cyah see how this man come from away jus so, doh know nobody, never practice with we, and scorin one setta goal "...to which one of their star players answered "So, he ain't beatz nobody yet"....To which Sheppy replied..."You.... Leave...when yuh ready to learn come back"....then he pulled meh aside and say " remember dah question of why coach does boff man here, yuh ask meh bout ? yuh see how it does go ?"
anyway, dat was over 30 yrs ago...what's it like today ?
bout 10 ys or more ago, ah had the pleasure of having a visiting player for a summer Denzil White(called him Horse). I hardly had to tell dat gy anything, except maybe some feedback during games. One of the most discplined young men I met. So not all indiscipline, but what is Today's majority about ?
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Terry Fenwick denies racist abuse.
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Jabloteh accuse McComie of 'unbecoming conduct'
CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh coach Terry Fenwick will soon appear before the Trinidad and Tobago Pro League disciplinary committee to hear the latest and possibly most serious charge levelled at him.
Fenwick, a former England World Cup player and 2002 T&T Pro League Coach of the Year, was accused of using a racist remark against Bmobile Joe Public and national youth team coach Michael McComie last Friday in a heated confrontation that followed the Toyota Classic final, which Public won 2-1 with a stoppage-time winner.
McComie, who was Pro League 2006 Player of the Year, complained to match commissioner Norris Ferguson of the alleged racist abuse from Fenwick and repeated his claim to the media after the match.
Fenwick denied McComie's accusation while Jabloteh claimed to be formulating an official complaint against the Public coach even before Ferguson's report reached the Pro League head office.
Jabloteh's position, which was reiterated by club chairman Jerry Hosepedales, is that Public allegedly brought the game into disrepute by entering Fenwick's technical area to taunt him on Friday night and routinely slandering the character of their English coach in the national media.
McComie mentioned, in a live television interview, that Fenwick was once charged for drunk driving and pointed to his less than stellar disciplinary record as player and coach as part of his reason for refusing to help the work permit application of Jabloteh starlet, Lester Peltier, three months ago.
He described Fenwick's coaching as "weak" after Friday's win.
"His coaching is very much like the way he played when he played [for] England," McComie told CCN TV6, "when he was the seventh man being passed by (Diego) Maradona--weak!"
Hospedales said the club is fed up with McComie's supposed struggle for national recognition.
"I think McComie's constant attacks on Fenwick are unbecoming," said Hospedales. "McComie has been on national television excoriating Fenwick's character for months. He is bringing the league into disrepute.
"One must have a professional respect for your colleagues. You might not agree with tactics and so on but that doesn't give you a right to call someone a criminal."
He also blasted Public for allegedly entering the Jabloteh technical area during and after the match. Public's Colombian goalkeeper Alejandro Figueroa was also accused of spraying Fenwick with liquid from a water bottle.
"The way Joe Public went in front of Jabloteh looked terrible," he said. "There must be a code of conduct for these teams. This couldn't happen abroad because even if you put a finger in the air towards opposing fans you can be disciplined for it.
"There must be a standard of conduct as to where you can celebrate and where you cannot."
Fenwick infamously reacted violently to a similar intrusion by Vibe CT 105 W Connection star Gefferson Goulart, two years ago, in a First Citizens Cup final loss, and felt that Public tried to goad him into a similar response last week. He insisted that the supposed provocation did not bring an undignified retort last Friday.
"(The Public players) ran into my technical area screaming and shouting after their two goals," said Fenwick, "and I have no doubt (McComie) told them to get in there.
"They were trying to goad me into something I didn't want to do. Their keeper, Figueroa, sprayed me with water, too, yet he is always ringing trying to get a contract from me."
Thus far, the Pro League executive committee has not seen it as necessary to intervene in the feud between the clubs. But Ferguson's report will force a meeting between the respective parties and Pro League CEO Dexter Skeene is likely to stress the need for club officials to behave as responsible role models.
"The Pro League is about development of the players and the youth in general," said Skeene, "and we want to ensure that our leaders, which includes our administrators, coaches, managers and the mature people around the teams, behave in a professional, courteous and disciplined manner at all times."
It would apparently take some doing to bring the ill feelings between the two coaches to an acceptable level. Fenwick suggested that McComie was trying to drum him out of the local game.
"He obviously feels very intimidated by me because he can't do an interview without mentioning my name at the moment," said Fenwick. "McComie and (a named talk show host) have kicked me in the teeth at every opportunity. I have just left him alone because I am not lowering myself to that level.
"There were lots of people around me (at the time of Friday's alleged incident) and anyone can speak to them. In our last ten games, we have seven wins and two draws while Public only got the one win on Friday.
"I don't need to go there with him because we are not on the same page. He needs to concentrate on his club as I am doing with mine."
McComie did not respond to several attempts by the Express for an interview on Sunday and yesterday but will get the chance to make his case against the Englishman soon before a Pro League disciplinary committee.
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McComie mentioned, in a live television interview, that Fenwick was once charged for drunk driving and pointed to his less than stellar disciplinary record as player and coach as part of his reason for refusing to help the work permit application of Jabloteh starlet, Lester Peltier, three months ago.
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so there it is then..
mccommie's personal vendetta against fenwick is a reason why he would intentionally take steps to suffocate the progress of one of our most talented young players...
these fellas really badmind and petty yes.
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Michael McComie is a mudda corn hux....... this is where you seperate the goats from the sheeps.
McComie cant win nothing this year except for a cheap cup (Toyoto Classic) and getting vex. Letting a little banton take he head now how could he be a good coach. He replace de Cubans at Joe Public and doing just as bad. He even shit down heself with de U-23 team now all this to get attention from the TTFF and Jack Warner.....
Fenwick handle it like a big man and that is good, he not letting the players and coaches make him commit any foul play. Nice work on de reporting they Lasana...
Just hope Jabloteh take revenge and win de Pro League.
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McComie mentioned, in a live television interview, that Fenwick was once charged for drunk driving and pointed to his less than stellar disciplinary record as player and coach as part of his reason for refusing to help the work permit application of Jabloteh starlet, Lester Peltier, three months ago.
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so there it is then..
mccommie's personal vendetta against fenwick is a reason why he would intentionally take steps to suffocate the progress of one of our most talented young players...
these fellas really badmind and petty yes.
"Badmind and Petty" is an understaement ... I say WICKED and UNGODLY. May the LORD bless any young talent with ambition in T&T.
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McComie mentioned, in a live television interview, that Fenwick was once charged for drunk driving and pointed to his less than stellar disciplinary record as player and coach as part of his reason for refusing to help the work permit application of Jabloteh starlet, Lester Peltier, three months ago.
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so there it is then..
mccommie's personal vendetta against fenwick is a reason why he would intentionally take steps to suffocate the progress of one of our most talented young players...
these fellas really badmind and petty yes.
Well he is a liar because he said he did not receive any calls from fenwick regarding peltier's work permitt issue ..... Well i guess main reson why he DID NOT pick Peltier for the under 23 along with murray hyland and jamerson was an attempt to justify that they were not good enough to make the team so he was right not write any letter ........ lord a next JW in the making
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Ignorance and Racism are harmful by themselves.....but IF MaComie is falsely accusing Fenwick of racism that is almost/just as despicable. One of them should be kicked out of the TTPL and the other put under heavy manners. I always wondered what personal characteristics about MaComie that the Warners saw and liked. Its becoming more clear now. IF untrue that racism accusation sounding like a typical vampire move a la McBeth.
Point is these two feeling the heat from a very competitive situation in the PL with respect to winning games and getting exposure for themselves and their clubs/players. Instead of shutting their big stink mouths, putting their head down, focusing and grinding it out to the last like men supposed to they succuming to pressure. And regardless of what Fenwick may have said, MaComie still lost every piece of respect he ever had from the football fraternity. He is a $hit coach and his behavior is consistently $hitty, just perfect for his $shit employers. Thank God he eh coaching Chelsea or Manu he woulda shoot Wenger or commit suicide long time.
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Fenwick denies racist abuse
...Jabloteh accuse McComie of 'unbecoming conduct'
Lasana Liburd
Tuesday, November 6th 2007
CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh coach Terry Fenwick will soon appear before the Trinidad and Tobago Pro League disciplinary committee to hear the latest and possibly most serious charge levelled at him.
Fenwick, a former England World Cup player and 2002 T&T Pro League Coach of the Year, was accused of using a racist remark against Bmobile Joe Public and national youth team coach Michael McComie last Friday in a heated confrontation that followed the Toyota Classic final, which Public won 2-1 with a stoppage-time winner.
McComie, who was Pro League 2006 Player of the Year, complained to match commissioner Norris Ferguson of the alleged racist abuse from Fenwick and repeated his claim to the media after the match.
Fenwick denied McComie's accusation while Jabloteh claimed to be formulating an official complaint against the Public coach even before Ferguson's report reached the Pro League head office.
Jabloteh's position, which was reiterated by club chairman Jerry Hosepedales, is that Public allegedly brought the game into disrepute by entering Fenwick's technical area to taunt him on Friday night and routinely slandering the character of their English coach in the national media.
McComie mentioned, in a live television interview, that Fenwick was once charged for drunk driving and pointed to his less than stellar disciplinary record as player and coach as part of his reason for refusing to help the work permit application of Jabloteh starlet, Lester Peltier, three months ago.
He described Fenwick's coaching as "weak" after Friday's win.
"His coaching is very much like the way he played when he played [for] England," McComie told CCN TV6, "when he was the seventh man being passed by (Diego) Maradona--weak!"
Hospedales said the club is fed up with McComie's supposed struggle for national recognition.
"I think McComie's constant attacks on Fenwick are unbecoming," said Hospedales. "McComie has been on national television excoriating Fenwick's character for months. He is bringing the league into disrepute.
"One must have a professional respect for your colleagues. You might not agree with tactics and so on but that doesn't give you a right to call someone a criminal."
He also blasted Public for allegedly entering the Jabloteh technical area during and after the match. Public's Colombian goalkeeper Alejandro Figueroa was also accused of spraying Fenwick with liquid from a water bottle.
"The way Joe Public went in front of Jabloteh looked terrible," he said. "There must be a code of conduct for these teams. This couldn't happen abroad because even if you put a finger in the air towards opposing fans you can be disciplined for it.
"There must be a standard of conduct as to where you can celebrate and where you cannot."
Fenwick infamously reacted violently to a similar intrusion by Vibe CT 105 W Connection star Gefferson Goulart, two years ago, in a First Citizens Cup final loss, and felt that Public tried to goad him into a similar response last week. He insisted that the supposed provocation did not bring an undignified retort last Friday.
"(The Public players) ran into my technical area screaming and shouting after their two goals," said Fenwick, "and I have no doubt (McComie) told them to get in there.
"They were trying to goad me into something I didn't want to do. Their keeper, Figueroa, sprayed me with water, too, yet he is always ringing trying to get a contract from me."
Thus far, the Pro League executive committee has not seen it as necessary to intervene in the feud between the clubs. But Ferguson's report will force a meeting between the respective parties and Pro League CEO Dexter Skeene is likely to stress the need for club officials to behave as responsible role models.
"The Pro League is about development of the players and the youth in general," said Skeene, "and we want to ensure that our leaders, which includes our administrators, coaches, managers and the mature people around the teams, behave in a professional, courteous and disciplined manner at all times."
It would apparently take some doing to bring the ill feelings between the two coaches to an acceptable level. Fenwick suggested that McComie was trying to drum him out of the local game.
"He obviously feels very intimidated by me because he can't do an interview without mentioning my name at the moment," said Fenwick. "McComie and (a named talk show host) have kicked me in the teeth at every opportunity. I have just left him alone because I am not lowering myself to that level.
"There were lots of people around me (at the time of Friday's alleged incident) and anyone can speak to them. In our last ten games, we have seven wins and two draws while Public only got the one win on Friday.
"I don't need to go there with him because we are not on the same page. He needs to concentrate on his club as I am doing with mine."
McComie did not respond to several attempts by the Express for an interview on Sunday and yesterday but will get the chance to make his case against the Englishman soon before a Pro League disciplinary committee.
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=161228826
Like is the "special one" and Wenger Trini style
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U know what it the funniest thing about all this? McComie berating the man because Maradona run past him in a World Cup game. I pretty sure if Fenwick wanted he could find a million string up that McComie get from nobodies that a good keeper woulda save.
I really can't understand why McComie trying to make it sound like having Maradona run past u(along with 6 other world class defenders) on the way to scoring the goal of the century implies that somebody shitty... ???
If McComie want to win an argument, i just feel that footballing ability is not the area he should be trying to compete in...
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i'm interested to know who comprises that disciplinary committee :thinking:
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McComie ever "see" Maradona ??
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that is d greatest goal ever .............dont see what is the big diss with him 1 of the players who get beat
4 him to bring up stuff like that really proves he is ah macomie man
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Does anyone know what the alleged racial slur was?
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Does anyone know what the alleged racial slur was?
I think its the "N" word.
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I know I'm at risk of being accused of defending a fellow Englishman, but here goes...
I don't know much about McComies playing career, but exactly how many world cup finals did he play in? How many games did he play in the major leagues (with all respect to the ProLeague) i.e. Germany, Italy, Spain or England? Under how many truly good coaches did he learn the game under (yes I know that some of the English coaches in the 70's/80's were suspect, but, honestly, did McComie learn the game from coaches better than those that Fenwick played under?)
Fenwick will never be remembered in the same way that Bobby Moore, Phil Thompson, Tony Adams, John Terry and Rio Ferdinand will be, but he was better than average (if only in the traditional English centre back way).
So I can only assume McComie has a huge inferiority complex involving Fenwick.
Thats his business.
However, in my view, if he is lying about the racist remark, he should be banned from football at all levels. Racism has no place in any situation, and football should set standards that people take into their working and personal lives. To lie about such a thing is twice as bad. Not only is it a form of racism in itself (you wouldn't accuse somebody of your race of being a racist towards you-at least I don't think that would be classed as racism- so therefore, by lying about a person from another race of racism, must therefore be racism). Secondly, you are encouraging other people to play the race card without good reason. Its almost inciting racism.
And people will always wonder if Fenwick did do it. Sometimes its more difficult to prove you didn't do something.
Maybe you won't agree with my logic.
Then again, maybe Fenwick did make a racist remark and he should then be punished. I don't know how we can find the truth.
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McComie mentioned, in a live television interview, that Fenwick was once charged for drunk driving and pointed to his less than stellar disciplinary record as player and coach as part of his reason for refusing to help the work permit application of Jabloteh starlet, Lester Peltier, three months ago.
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so there it is then..
mccommie's personal vendetta against fenwick is a reason why he would intentionally take steps to suffocate the progress of one of our most talented young players...
these fellas really badmind and petty yes.
maybe McCormie's true colours can be seen in his opinion of Fenwick where he would jeopardize the career of a TOTALLY INNOCENT THIRD PARTY to "get Back" at Fenwick.....very very Jackula in execution I believe...... :(
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maybe McCormie's true colours can be seen in his opinion of Fenwick where he would jeopardize the career of a TOTALLY INNOCENT THIRD PARTY to "get Back" at Fenwick.....very very Jackula in execution I believe...... :(
I doh have time to go back and pull thread now...but I waiting patiently fuh all de facking damnasses who were in those threads about Peltier, who was saying that Fenwick was lying and trying thing when he know Peltier wasn't going to get through. At least he was fucking trying!! Here you have dis small-minded c#nt sabotaging, or even in the most favorable light, frustrating...the chances of a young player, all because of some petty-ass jealousy nonsense. McComie struck me as a imps back when we were both in Gustine...and sad to say that not much has changed in the intervening years.
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Macomie is a CANCER TO THE GAME in TNT
SIMPLE: Education is a thing that not all of us have and Macomie suggest to me that he is a fella lacking alot of it and has for a while seeking attention in the wrong places. He assumes that by trying to insult Fenwick by using lower than shrewd tactics it will make him popular in the media. Well for the educated it is simply reemphasizing why he should be given the boot in TNT football....maybe he needs a couple of seasons in a league somewhere in the middle east where they can take his TT Passport and pay him next to nothin and then realise how it feels to live as a second class citizen....then really get an ounce of racism and lets she how he will deal with it....DUMBASS
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McComie rebukes Fenwicks comments.
By: Joel Bailey (Newsday).[/size]
Joe Public coach Michael McComie, has lashed out at CL Financial San Juan Jablotehs coach Terry Fenwick over comments he made before and after Fridays Toyota Classic Cup final at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo.
McComie, during the post-match press conference, revealed that Fenwick made a racist remark towards him after Joe Publics 2-1 win, while the Eastern Lions coach was irked at pre-game comments made by the ex- England defender.
Whenever you have foreign coaches coming (down) here, they may be superior to the rest of you all but to me and (my) players, as long as youre disrespecting my players and disrespecting people from Trinidad in particular, I will do what I need to do when it comes to me, said the 35-year- old McComie.
He quoted an article on the Pro League website where Fenwick stated they (Joe Public) dont have the ambition to come at us.
What ambition?, asked an irate McComie. There was a difference in class of the two teams in the second half and that was done purely because of the two coaches.
Hes not a coach that can conduct respect from his own players and players in the league, the Joe Public coach continued. Despite the fact all the nasty words he had to say after the game, all of his players came and shook my hand. And that says something, that says a lot that the cameras dont pick up and people in the stands dont see.
But, yet still, we run and we worship people, maybe because theyre from England and its a football country, McComie added. But I am just as good as anybody. And this trophy is the easiest trophy Ive ever won, and my players alone will understand that, because two weeks now, (our) game plan has never changed.
Regarding Jablotehs tactics, he stressed, I said publicly (before) that long-time English football will not work tonight, and so said so done. Its the easiest trophy I have ever won with Joe Public in the last four years.
Jabloteh football is predictable and I can tell you how they will play now, if the other teams in the Pro League wish to know, McComie noted. At the same time, its no disrespect to the Jabloteh players.
I will say what I have to say in defence of my players and the rubbish that Fenwick talks in Trinidad and the rest of people in Trinidad that makes him feel like a god, McComie added. Hes nothing in Trinidad where football is concerned.
As a matter of fact, his coaching is very much like how he played (for) England when he was the seventh man being passed by Maradona (during the 1986 World Cup in Mexico).
The former national and Joe Public goalkeeper took issue with Fenwicks repeated comments that players from Jabloteh should comprise the majority of picks within the national team.
Yet still, with all the picks that should have been on the team, he cannot win a final, conceding two goals, especially (one) in the last three minutes of play, said McComie.
McComie highlighted the respect factor between himself and his ex-national and clubmate Angus Eve, who is currently the assistant coach at Jabloteh.
Before the game, we said what we have to say and after the game we shook hands, he noted. And Fenwick could come up to (us) and say derogatory things. I wouldnt stoop to that level because my standard is not for compromise.
Stressing that Fenwick called him a derogatory term for persons of African descent, McComie commented, these are the people that (are brought) to Trinidad, and you all encourage our youths, because hes in charge of young, impressionable players.
But then again, this is for one day, and it will be brushed over just as it did when he struck (W Connection midfielder) Gefferson Goulart two years ago and received a $1,500 fine and continues to coach in Trinidad, he continued. Maybe for you all, hes a god but hes a weak coach and (it is) the easiest final that Joe Public will ever win. McComie said that himself and the club will be making respective complaints to the Pro League executive over the behaviour of the 47-year-old Fenwick.
There is a rivalry between the two teams because the two teams have the better players from within the country and the (Caribbean), he said. So there is a rivalry there.
I have absolutely nothing with Mr Fenwick, McComie ended. I dont compare myself with Mr Fenwick.
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They both seem to be very interesting characters. But Mcomie is complaing that Fenwick called him the N-word, it was in the news, very specific issue. So, why is McComie being attacked here? WE need to wait and see if that is in deed the case. Because if that did happen all Trinidadians should be concerned, shouldn't we. Because one can conclude that if this does not bother you, then you are caoable of such actions yourself?
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They both seem to be very interesting characters. But Mcomie is complaing that Fenwick called him the N-word, it was in the news, very specific issue. So, why is McComie being attacked here? WE need to wait and see if that is in deed the case. Because if that did happen all Trinidadians should be concerned, shouldn't we. Because one can conclude that if this does not bother you, then you are caoable of such actions yourself?
What's the big deal in calling ah man ah nigger nowadays especially in trinidad, loud steuupes!! them indians has been calling black ppl all kindah f@@kup names since they reach in 18 whatever, and black ppl been calling dem coolie since 18 whatever. i've been called nigga in trinidad on many occasions, till a thought it was meh name, and it was not by any foreigner but by locals. I rather for ah man to call me a nigger and give me a once in a life time opportunity, than to call me brother and stand in my way of progress. so tell meh which one will hurt more, ah man calling yuh someting that is inapropriate or a man boxing food out yuh mouth ? = ask peltier.
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McComie rebukes Fenwicks comments.
By: Joel Bailey (Newsday).[/size]
Whenever you have foreign coaches coming (down) here, they may be superior to the rest of you all but to me and (my) players, as long as youre disrespecting my players and disrespecting people from Trinidad in particular, I will do what I need to do when it comes to me, said the 35-year- old McComie.
He quoted an article on the Pro League website where Fenwick stated they (Joe Public) dont have the ambition to come at us." that says something, that says a lot that the cameras dont pick up and people in the stands dont see.
But, yet still, we run and we worship people, maybe because theyre from England and its a football country, McComie added. But I am just as good as anybody. And this trophy is the easiest trophy Ive ever won, and my players alone will understand that, because two weeks now, (our) game plan has never changed.
Regarding Jablotehs tactics, he stressed, I said publicly (before) that long-time English football will not work tonight, and so said so done. Its the easiest trophy I have ever won with Joe Public in the last four years.
Jabloteh football is predictable and I can tell you how they will play now, if the other teams in the Pro League wish to know, McComie noted. At the same time, its no disrespect to the Jabloteh players.
I will say what I have to say in defence of my players and the rubbish that Fenwick talks in Trinidad and the rest of people in Trinidad that makes him feel like a god, McComie added. Hes nothing in Trinidad where football is concerned.
The former national and Joe Public goalkeeper took issue with Fenwicks repeated comments that players from Jabloteh should comprise the majority of picks within the national team.
Some month ago he attacking fenwick on spalk ..... and it seems he is angry at fenwick comments ... Plus yuh TEAM score a last minute to win that happens alot ah times in football ... it not like yuh beat them 5-0
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They both seem to be very interesting characters. But Mcomie is complaing that Fenwick called him the N-word, it was in the news, very specific issue. So, why is McComie being attacked here? WE need to wait and see if that is in deed the case. Because if that did happen all Trinidadians should be concerned, shouldn't we. Because one can conclude that if this does not bother you, then you are caoable of such actions yourself?
What's the big deal in calling ah man ah nigger nowadays especially in trinidad, loud steuupes!! them indians has been calling black ppl all kindah f@@kup names since they reach in 18 whatever, and black ppl been calling dem coolie since 18 whatever. i've been called nigga in trinidad on many occasions, till a thought it was meh name, and it was not by any foreigner but by locals. I rather for ah man to call me a nigger and give me a once in a life time oportunity, than to call me brother and stand in my way of progress. so which one will hurt more, ah man calling someting that is inapropriate or a man boxing food out yuh mouth ? = ask peltier.
WAW, I just do not know how to respond to this level of ignorance, I can onlu offer prayers and hope you see the light one day.
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They both seem to be very interesting characters. But Mcomie is complaing that Fenwick called him the N-word, it was in the news, very specific issue. So, why is McComie being attacked here? WE need to wait and see if that is in deed the case. Because if that did happen all Trinidadians should be concerned, shouldn't we. Because one can conclude that if this does not bother you, then you are caoable of such actions yourself?
What's the big deal in calling ah man ah nigger nowadays especially in trinidad, loud steuupes!! them indians has been calling black ppl all kindah f@@kup names since they reach in 18 whatever, and black ppl been calling dem coolie since 18 whatever. i've been called nigga in trinidad on many occasions, till a thought it was meh name, and it was not by any foreigner but by locals. I rather for ah man to call me a nigger and give me a once in a life time oportunity, than to call me brother and stand in my way of progress. so which one will hurt more, ah man calling someting that is inapropriate or a man boxing food out yuh mouth ? = ask peltier.
aye Just Cool, I think that most people in this thread are posting that it could be a slight exaggeration on McCormie's part as his judgement could be clouded by his assinine opinion of Fenwick.
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They both seem to be very interesting characters. But Mcomie is complaing that Fenwick called him the N-word, it was in the news, very specific issue. So, why is McComie being attacked here? WE need to wait and see if that is in deed the case. Because if that did happen all Trinidadians should be concerned, shouldn't we. Because one can conclude that if this does not bother you, then you are caoable of such actions yourself?
What's the big deal in calling ah man ah nigger nowadays especially in trinidad, loud steuupes!! them indians has been calling black ppl all kindah f@@kup names since they reach in 18 whatever, and black ppl been calling dem coolie since 18 whatever. i've been called nigga in trinidad on many occasions, till a thought it was meh name, and it was not by any foreigner but by locals. I rather for ah man to call me a nigger and give me a once in a life time oportunity, than to call me brother and stand in my way of progress. so which one will hurt more, ah man calling someting that is inapropriate or a man boxing food out yuh mouth ? = ask peltier.
aye Just Cool, I think that most people in this thread are posting that it could be a slight exaggeration on McCormie's part as his judgemwnt could be clouded by his assinine opinion of Fenwick.
How could one exaggerate when a specific word was allegedly used? If Fenwick did not use the word, then the league should come down very hard on him.
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ah cant believe mccommie block peltier, he just adding to the regression of tt football with his bad mind... God does do for those who are wicked...
doh worry peltier, ur time will come soon breddah...
God is de BOSS....
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Trying to cut through all this BS and get to the heart of the matter:
WHO did Fenwick racially abuse? The keeper or McComie?
Because in the initial report, McComie said the brazilian keeper told him Fenwick said something racist, which is why he threw water at Fenwick at the end of the game. Now the official report filed claims that McComie was racially abused. All the inconsistency with this and then one minute he never call u regarding peltier, then next time he did just does not fit well.
Sooo...which one is the truth Mike? Like u learn well from your paymaster ''ye- ye-yesterday w-w-was yesterday and to-to-today is today''
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Five Words...
McComie is a BIG CONT !!!
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They both seem to be very interesting characters. But Mcomie is complaing that Fenwick called him the N-word, it was in the news, very specific issue. So, why is McComie being attacked here? WE need to wait and see if that is in deed the case. Because if that did happen all Trinidadians should be concerned, shouldn't we. Because one can conclude that if this does not bother you, then you are caoable of such actions yourself?
What's the big deal in calling ah man ah nigger nowadays especially in trinidad, loud steuupes!! them indians has been calling black ppl all kindah f@@kup names since they reach in 18 whatever, and black ppl been calling dem coolie since 18 whatever. i've been called nigga in trinidad on many occasions, till a thought it was meh name, and it was not by any foreigner but by locals. I rather for ah man to call me a nigger and give me a once in a life time oportunity, than to call me brother and stand in my way of progress. so which one will hurt more, ah man calling someting that is inappropriate or a man boxing food out yuh mouth ? = ask peltier.
WAW, I just do not know how to respond to this level of ignorance, I can onlu offer prayers and hope you see the light one day.
Brother by saying what yuh just said indicates to me that you never read one of my post in the past. i am the most voicerous person on this site when it comes to black conscious and race related topics. since i was 14 yrs old i decided to disassociate my self with babylon and the establishment, i saw the light long before you born youth till it almost blind my vision.
i was a junior member of NJAC and not only did i stop there, but i also went on to attain membership in many black activist ORG in the US and in europe. i was also one of the few trini's who rallied against the KKK when they came to NY NY in 2000 sending them packing. i also marched for justice on many human rights causes , for mumia , yusef hawkins, micheal grifith, amadu diallo, and many more, those are just some of my accolades so don't go there my friend, but there comes a time when you have to be true with your self and look reality in the face and render a fair verdict.
now i not defending terry fenwick or white ppl, i just don't believe micheal mc commie BC of what he did to those young men, IMO a man who could be so disruptive is capable of any thing. now on the nigger issue. i hate that f@@king word more than any black man on the planet, i remember telling my american cousins not to use that word in reference to me, and that's one of the reasons i don't support rap music period, i rearly listen to it, and when i do it's normally for reasons beyond me.
when i lived in trini fellas used to think i was on my way to the mental house BC of the way i used to flex back then. if you live in trini then one day you should take a ride up the churchhill Roosevelt, by K-Donna drive inn to be exact, there's a road off the highway, exit on that road leading to st helena and stop and look up, now i don't know if it's still there but when i was working as a temp for BWIA i used to see it all the time, written on the walls of K-donna drive in for the world to see was a slogan that read, NO NIGGERS ALLOWED something something something, by now i forgot the rest of the slogan, but i used to make it my business to ride through on my motor bike every morning and evening to and fro from work.
i don't know if yuh familiar with that area, but just in case yuh not, that area is predominantly indian and they're not friendly to black folks in the least, cause i work with them at the airport so i'm intimately acquainted with them. the looks i used to get from those ppl was so much like the ones yuh get from venturing into a hick redneck town in the south or upstate NY. in the old airpot itself, if you ever had reason to venture into the bathroom, on the walls told it all, nigger this nigger that and nigger the other, reading those things used to make me feel like i was in another country working, then at evenings i would go home to my own country.
that's just some of the ill's that plague trinidad which no one wants to talk about that should be addressed , two differant worlds bro, maybe three. so i didn't have to travel to another country to feel out of place , just a few miles to the east did the trick. to put it frankly, my point is this. being called nigger in trini is the norm in someplaces, and if the indians could use it freely and no body don't put it out there or make it an issue , then why not a man who was born in a society that frequently used that word along with others to demean and describe black folks for centuries. so what allyuh saying ? is only ah coolie could call a CREOLE!!! AH F@@KIN NAYGGGAAA ! BTW, doh waste yuh time saying no prayers for me, it have some men on here who is better deserving of those prayers. positive.
PS, i forgot being called ah caprye or capparre by ah indian dude who ah thought was my friend, only to find out from meh dougla friend who had an indian mother, that it meant no good theifing naayggaa.
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when i lived in trini
for clarification, when was this please ? Thanks in advance
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i dont know Terry Fenwick personally so i cant say that he is a racist or not, but i do know that idiot McCommie and that boy is ah total fool. without his talent as a goalkeeper, he would be a nobody to everyone because of his attitude. he is arrogant and ignorant and anyone who knows him will agree with that statement. when i heard he was the coach of my former club i told ah good partner of mine joe public discipline will slide down the poll once he is in charge. to encourage your players to taunt the opponents ater such a win is totally classless and typical of mccommie. i will not defend fenwick because of the reports i have heard from quality sources, but i dont know the man. Mccommie i can talk about cause i dealt with the idiot. Joe Public need to take a closer look at the character of their head coach!!! :beermug: :beermug:
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when i lived in trini
for clarification, when was this please ? Thanks in advance
The last time i lived in trini on a permanant basis was in 1987, i returned many times after that but not permanatly. the last time i remember seeing it was in 1990, may of 90 to be exact. i never paid particular attention to it since then, BC i saw it so many times that it became a familiar site,just like seeing the sun and the moon every day.
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This whole thing sounding like when Mourinho "see" Rijkard in the referee dressing room...
What McComie really hear? or see?
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This whole thing sounding like when Mourinho "see" Rijkard in the referee dressing room...
Wait nah so Mourinho was hiding in the referee dirty clothes basket as well back then ?
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"being called nigger in trini is the norm in someplaces,". This must change, if you know and understand the history of the word and why it was used, you will understand that he should not be a norm anywhere!
I am struggling with the picture you are painting of T&T, you are making it sound as though race relations was such a problem in T&T that it prepared or condition you to deal with racism in other places. That is not the T&T I remember. I remeber T&T as a place where people of all races worked together in harmony to achieve the same objective, with a a little class warefare here and there. A feat no other country can boast of, and that is not long ago. Now has it been influenced by other concacaf leaders recently, one can argue it has, but it is hardly the place that prpares one to deal with racism and accept being called a N$##@&.
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Y know when I was in Form 5 back in st. anthonys...ah len dat boy money once to buy ah beef pie and ah solo from miss Aje canteen
If ah did know he woulda grow up and become such ah wicked beast ah woulda let de 4ker starve
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funny how them 2 newspaper articles reporting on the same comments could look so different
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"being called nigger in trini is the norm in someplaces,". This must change, if you know and understand the history of the word and why it was used, you will understand that he should not be a norm anywhere!
I am struggling with the picture you are painting of T&T, you are making it sound as though race relations was such a problem in T&T that it prepared or condition you to deal with racism in other places. That is not the T&T I remember. I remeber T&T as a place where people of all races worked together in harmony to achieve the same objective, with a a little class warefare here and there. A feat no other country can boast of, and that is not long ago. Now has it been influenced by other concacaf leaders recently, one can argue it has, but it is hardly the place that prpares one to deal with racism and accept being called a N$##@&.
Well my friend this is the beauty of life, one man experience could take him one place and another man somewhere totally differant. forinstance i know white ppl in america who would swear up and down that there is no racism in the US! non whatsoever! there conclusion would be that the minority population is just being disruptive and wants to complain when there's no reason to.
others would complain about affirmative action and how it should be done away with and there was no need for it in the first place, and how that minorities were not denied opportunity , but that they were mentally incapable of achieving the right to opportunities that white men so freely enjoy. on the flip side there are white ppl who are so envolved in human rights issues and will admit that america has a serious problem when it comes to equal opportunity and race relations, and live their lives with that kind of conviction, that will even put fellers like me to shame.
so it's all a matter of prospective, based on aweareness and experience. i would not doubt that you did in fact experience unity amoungst the races in trini, which brings you to conclude that our country didn't have a serious race relation problem, and we're not so dividid amoungst racial line as other would conclude. but that's where prospective comes into play again. my experience and the awearness of others proves you wrong. to strenghten my point , let me just share this with you.
since the advent of local politcs post independence the country was divided. the african and cocospanish poipulation would stounchly vote for the PNM , the indian population would vote ULF and tobago would cast their ballot to the DAC. then came the break away from the PNM, forming other parties such as the ONR, PLP, NJAC, TAPIA HOUSE ect. now more of the same, the coco spanish and african still voted PNM the indians still went with the ULF, the ONR had a new support base, exPNM who were fedup with the party for one reason or another , and then the bugiosie, consisting of the white minority the french-creoles and the chinese population, who stuck together since they thought they were better than the rest of the peasants east of the dry river and beyond.
until this day they still practice that asshole politics divided amoungst racial lines.the parties are a bit differant now cause some men was so hungry for power that they joined forces to defeat the PNM, but the practice is still in place save a concious few who vote for the issues. NJAC was a perfect example. if you ever get your hands on an old NJAC manifesto, then you would see how much of a proggressive party they were, with far more vision and ideas than any one of those parties that raped us over the years and braught our country to it's present state of unemployment crime and underdevelopment.
NJAC was better for our country, but no one will ever find out, BC NJAC had a black nationalistic style that hampered their sucess and prevented ppl from gravitating towards them. but if you ever get a chance to read up on their policies , then you would see that they had more young energetic educated brilliant minds, who had far more to offer, with insight and ideas to propell our country into the age of technology, instead of the colonial back draft that we found our selves in BC of racist politics.
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ah taking this course JC..
http://www.njactt.org/
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Its not ok to call someone a rasist name and in T&T we dont normally do that. It has happened in the past, but generally speaking no one goes around calling a man a nigger or a collie, thats unacceptable.
McComie is a DUNCE, yuh eh see how behind he head flat is nuff callpat he get what he was small.
By the way, isn't McComie half Chinese and Creole ?
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ah taking this course JC..
http://www.njactt.org/
Yes fardder big respect. a lot of ppl in T&T don't know what they did when they ignored that party. those brothers and sisters are so insightful and informative that it's such a pleasure to be around them,whether it's listening to a speech or reading up on their literature, and ah not just saying this BC of their black nationalistic out look , but the vision they have for the future. my belief is that if NJAC was given an opportunity, the country would've been far more advanced in terms of technology, infrastructure, economics and quality of life, which includes a crimeless society.
i remember in 1982 the brothers was telling me that trinidad will experience such serge a in unemployment, that it will make a way for drugs guns and crime like you'll never believe. they also said that if the government were to ever go to the IMF, that it would invite crime blood shed and drugs in our country,they predicted an in pending coop and a decrease in literacy amongst the masses if the govt. didn't act quickly to counteract the inevitable.
they said that the youths that was being born around that time are in serious trouble of becoming future victims of greedy politicians who cared very little for the future of the country and the ppl, and if these visionless colonial heads were to stay ruling the country, a nose dive would be imminent, and from what i heard , they begged ANR robinson not to go to the IMF, but he ignored them and went any way, causing our corrency to devalue further plunging us into economic turmoil.
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JC, this is way of topic. Can we stipulate that it should be unacceptable for someone to be called a N&%%$#, especially in a professional environment?
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JC, this is way of topic. Can we stipulate that it should be unacceptable for someone to be called a N&%%$#, especially in a professional environment?
It's totally unacceptable!! but i don't believe that he did it though. plus you missed the point of my initial post. i was being sarcastic when i mentioned indians and other locals using the word, so why not fenwick. go back and read where i said that i probably hate the word more than any other black person on the planet, that alone would've answered your question.
my point is, when ppl the likes of sat maharaj and morgan jobe could get away with using the word nigger ON THE MEDIA in the most abusive ways imaginable, and no one even bothers to take them to task on it, or better yet , write an article condemning their behavior, then why try to crucify a foreigner who allegedly used the word, a man who is doing more good than harm to our youths, especially when it's no big deal to use that word in trini any way. WHY THEN THE HYPOCRISY!!
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JC, this is way of topic. Can we stipulate that it should be unacceptable for someone to be called a N&%%$#, especially in a professional environment?
It's totally unacceptable!! but i don't believe that he did it though. plus you missed the point of my initial post. i was being sarcastic when i mentioned indians and other locals using the word, so why not fenwick. go back and read where i said that i probably hate the word more than any other black person on the planet, that alone would've answered your question.
my point is, when ppl the likes of sat maharaj and morgan jobe could get away with using the word nigger ON THE MEDIA in the most abusive ways imaginable, and no one even bothers to take them to task on it, or better yet , write an article condemning their behavior, then why try to crucify a foreigner who allegedly used the word, a man who is doing more good than harm to our youths, especially when it's no big deal to use that word in trini any way. WHY THEN THE HYPOCRISY!!
I must admit, I did not recognize your statement at sarcasm. Also, it does appear that we have more in common on this issue than we have differences. And of course, the good old slave master Willie Lynch would like for us to amplify our differences more than anything else. In addition, I also agree that he appears to be doing more good than harm for the young players in come in contact with. However, how could to stay in NY, or where ever you may be in the world and suggest he did not use the word, I take issue with that? No one, not being present and not even knowing the individual character can suggest that he did or did not use the word. Let the Pro-League investigate and hopefully the truth would prevail, but not until then can we be certain of any truth in regards to this, unless you witnessed the event.
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Diambars, do you personally know McCormie to say that in FACT he did hear what he claims he heard, as you also were NOT there. whereas many on here think otherwise because of his HISTORY....
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No I do not know him, and I am NOT saying that his claim has credability. What I am saying let the league investigate and tell us what happen, and we should not be attempting to discredit any of the parties involved until the gather the facts and render a judgement. On the isssue though, none of us should accept the use of the word in question.
Man, I know you can read very well I am surprised by the question ;D
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Diambers, lewwe doh make this thing difficult nah. yes there's no way for anyone any where to know any thing for a fact, regardless of distance. even if i lived in the same building with fenwick , this doesn't put me in a better position to know for sure, but what i could say is this , human intuition is some times all we need to render a verdict. now i could be wrong , but my human intuity is telling me other wise.
and in case i'm wrong , still doesn't make me stupid for standing with fenwick, and it still doesn't demonise fenwick in my eyes, as black conscious as i am. BC of my experience living in the US and in europe, brought me to this reality, sometimes them ppl can't help being who they are , BC of the environment they were raised in, sometimes ah man really mean well , and the ones that i'm talking bout is the ones who really don't want to be like that, not every regular joe. any way, there are times when a man tries to distance him self from his past, but BC of adversity sometimes it surfaces.so don't trow out the baby wid the bath water.
But lemme ask yuh this. what has mc commie done for our youths, that fenwick didn't. all i saw from this guy so far is malice and contempt towards our future stars as the evidence will show, and to add insult to injury, he goes on public television and lied to ah whole nation, just to cover up his bad mind, while destroying the future of some of our brightest stars. i could go onn and onn , but i'll stop here. i'm giving fenwick the benefit of the doubt. positive.
PS mc commie is ah evil lying son of ah bitch, that's why i don't believe him. he truly remind's me of his boss.
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well said, Just Cool :applause: :applause:
McCormie want to HURT ah next man career because the second man players under the first man who he HATES ::)
unfortunately that alone tells me he has a propensity to cause bachanal
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We are getting nowhere here, so let's wait on this one to take its natural course. I say this because, to ask "what has mc commie done for our youths, that fenwick didn't." suggest that one ignored or fail to recognize the previous statement "In addition, I also agree that he appears to be doing more good than harm for the young players in come in contact with."
So let us agree to bring cloture in mean time until a verdict is rendered on this issue, cheers.
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i agree with sam on this one, macomie looking for attention.
Just his words of attack alone show how desperate he is.
Steups.
I looss of more on him now after the U23 fackup.
Imagine he talking about a man who get a beat from the most brialliant footballer to ever play, play in a world cup quarter/semi-final.
Steups.
Fenwick aint a saint by the same token, and if indeed he said racial things he should be punished, but macomie need to calm heself.
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We are getting nowhere here, so let's wait on this one to take its natural course. I say this because, to ask "what has mc commie done for our youths, that fenwick didn't." suggest that one ignored or fail to recognize the previous statement "In addition, I also agree that he appears to be doing more good than harm for the young players in come in contact with."
So let us agree to bring cloture in mean time until a verdict is rendered on this issue, cheers.
Listen diambers, i don't want you to go away thinking i'm some kind of yellow belly, on the contrary, i'm a wounded soldier taking a back seat, i'm tired of the fighting,but you seem like yuh up for the fight, so go through. as a matter of fact i admire and respect your objectivity, i truly do, and maybe fenwick is a disgusting bastard, but you must keep in mind the youths that he's helping to further their careers, even if he benefits by doing so, the reality is , no one else in T&T is doing shyte for our youth ballers, but fenwick . so i say he's lesser of all the evils. believe you me , if it was any one else that made that accusation, i would've been a little more opt to believe it, but that fackin dog mc commie, i hate that cock s##ker wid a passion, even more than jack, and since mc commie hurt them boys, i could never believe ah word he says.
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No I do not believe that you are a "yellow belly" or anything of the sort, I will pass judgement because you are entitled to your opinion. I am concerned though that yohappen to "hate" McComie. Hate is a very big word and I would suggest to try and relieve yourself of such feeling, such feelings can affect your health.
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No I do not believe that you are a "yellow belly" or anything of the sort, I will pass judgement because you are entitled to your opinion. I am concerned though that yohappen to "hate" McComie. Hate is a very big word and I would suggest to try and relieve yourself of such feeling, such feelings can affect your health.
True dat, but ah can't help it ,he just rubs me the wrong way. it's remenisant of jack.
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No I do not believe that you are a "yellow belly" or anything of the sort, I will pass judgement because you are entitled to your opinion. I am concerned though that yohappen to "hate" McComie. Hate is a very big word and I would suggest to try and relieve yourself of such feeling, such feelings can affect your health.
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Check the ttpoleague website you would a player pointing his hand in fenwicks face it seems...Also if fenwick call mc commnie the n word there was people around ..... yes black people.... look I wonder what sean powers said to fenwick .... yOU HAVE TO WATCH IT REAL CLOSE..
click on the Eastern Lions Celebrate Toyota Classic
http://ttproleague.com/index.php
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Idiot 1 and idiot 2. d fact that he bring up d Peltier issue shows his delusions of grndieur who d hell is Mccomie that his letter would have resulted in an uncapped player getting a work permit please. jan michaele eh get 1 and he in Belgium trying to get into d UK.
The fella is a goat pure and simple but that eh why Lester eh get no permit.
All ah allyuh who have a prob with the N word I hope all yuh bun all dem CD's yuh does b listening to because it in appropriate every which way.
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Idiot 1 and idiot 2. d fact that he bring up d Peltier issue shows his delusions of grndieur who d hell is Mccomie that his letter would have resulted in an uncapped player getting a work permit please. jan michaele eh get 1 and he in Belgium trying to get into d UK.
The fella is a goat pure and simple but that eh why Lester eh get no permit.
All ah allyuh who have a prob with the N word I hope all yuh bun all dem CD's yuh does b listening to because it in appropriate every which way.
This has nothing to do with the matter at hand...if Fenwick is indeed guilty of using the word towards McComie (which I personally doubt) then that is totally different from how rappers use the words in their music. Let's not conflate the issues.
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Idiot 1 and idiot 2. d fact that he bring up d Peltier issue shows his delusions of grndieur who d hell is Mccomie that his letter would have resulted in an uncapped player getting a work permit please. jan michaele eh get 1 and he in Belgium trying to get into d UK.
The fella is a goat pure and simple but that eh why Lester eh get no permit.
All ah allyuh who have a prob with the N word I hope all yuh bun all dem CD's yuh does b listening to because it in appropriate every which way.
This has nothing to do with the matter at hand...if Fenwick is indeed guilty of using the word towards McComie (which I personally doubt) then that is totally different from how rappers use the words in their music. Let's not conflate the issues.
whats up my nig.... ;D
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Fenwick denies accusation but...
Caledonia fume at Jabloteh 'poachers'
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA have accused defending league champions, Clico San Juan Jabloteh, of trying to poach their captain and St Lucian star Sheldon Emmanuel and are contemplating a formal complaint to the Pro League executive committee.
Emmanuel, 28, is yet to report for duty this year although he is under contract with Caledonia for the 2008 season. Emmanuel spent the pre-season with United States Major League Soccer (MLS) outfit, FC Dallas, but failed to agree to personal terms with the club.
Caledonia coach and founding member Jamaal Shabazz told the Express that he telephoned Emmanuel in St Lucia on the eve of their April 19 Pro League clash with Defence Force and asked the player to return for the game.
Shabazz claimed that Emannuel asked for more time away as he allegedly received an offer from Jabloteh that he was considering and found "difficult to refuse".
"I know exactly who is doing this dirty work for Jabloteh," said Shabazz, "and I am appalled that they continue this blatant flouting of the rules and this 'who have more corn, feed more fowl' attitude.
"I am very, very disappointed."
Jabloteh announced the capture of Emmanuel's signature before the start of the 2007 season only for the player to make a late about-turn. The versatile St Lucian, who is comfortable virtually anywhere in defence and midfield, led Caledonia in a thrilling title chase last year although the club faltered at the death and ended in fourth place.
Not to be undone, Jabloteh started 2008 by declaring Caledonia star and 2007 Pro League MVP, Marvin Oliver, to be their property although he was still under contract with the "Eastern Stallions".
Shabazz could not sway Oliver's desire to leave, though, and Caledonia accepted a $20,000 fee for his services in the pre-season. But Jabloteh coach and former England international, Terry Fenwick, insisted on Tuesday that he has no interest in adding Emmanuel to his ranks.
"We are not tapping him up," Fenwick told the Express. "We are quite happy with what we've got I tried to get (Emmanuel) last year and I just think he messed us around.
"He is an okay player but not someone who I would want in my back four."
Caledonia stuck to their story, though, and insisted that two Jabloteh representatives-on Fenwick's instructions-have been in constant contact with Emmanuel.
The Pro League's transfer window closed on April 25 and Emmanuel cannot swap clubs in the near future unless Caledonia cancel his contract.
In a twist of fate, Caledonia play Jabloteh from 4 p.m. on Saturday at the Larry Gomes Stadium in Malabar. But Shabazz said he would not use Emmanuel as he fears the player is not in the right frame of mind for the contest.
Despite his anger at Jabloteh's alleged indiscretion, Shabazz said he would not stop the player's exit. Emmanuel joined Caledonia seven years ago but the club claimed they would let him leave for considerably less than Oliver.
"When you offer large sums of money to a contracted player," said Shabazz, "it is difficult to expect a player, even under contract, to be motivated to stay with your club.
"If they have an offer on the table that he can't refuse, then no problem big-money Clico Jabloteh. Just give us the money we put out for January, February and March and we will let him go and keep the brotherhood.
"Although the professional thing to do is to squeeze the player, the humanitarian side in us is too strong. Mashallah. (We leave everything up to God)."
Shabazz claimed that Bmobile Joe Public coach Michael McComie and Vibe CT 105 W Connection coach Stuart Charles-Fevrier both showed interest in Caledonia players, within the past week, through the proper channels. He urged Jabloteh to show similar respect to fellow Pro League outfits and promised them a tough time on the field this weekend.
"We see ourselves as a big entity on the field," said Shabazz, "but off the field, we still need to develop in a lot of ways.
"Come this weekend, we look forward to meeting Jabloteh on the field because we know, when the ball rolls, there is no superiority for them despite their heavy financial backing."
Emmanuel will not be in action for either team. But Fenwick has promised to give Oliver his first competitive start for Jabloteh against his former employers.
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Fenwick denies accusation but...
Caledonia fume at Jabloteh 'poachers'
Lasana Liburd (Trinidad Express)
Thursday, May 1st 2008
But Jabloteh coach and former England international, Terry Fenwick, insisted on Tuesday that he has no interest in adding Emmanuel to his ranks.
"We are not tapping him up," Fenwick told the Express. "We are quite happy with what we've got I tried to get (Emmanuel) last year and I just think he messed us around.
"He is an okay player but not someone who I would want in my back four."
Oh garrrddd, hear blatant lie! The man is the best left side defender and probably the best defender in the PL, period. How Fenwick could say them ting and not buss out laughing is beyond me. He turning into a real Trickydadian 8)
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Terry Fenwick - Jabloteh Segment (FIFA Futbol Mundial #166)
http://www.jablotehfc.com/videos.aspx
Terry Speaks on why he came to trinidad and tobago
marvin oliver , manners on there also
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Fenwick eyeing a hattrick of League titles
By Randy Bando (ttproleague.com)
CLICO San Juan Jabloteh head coach Terry Fenwick is keeping his focus on the pitch ahead of the 2009 season.
Jabloteh received a blow prior to this years pre-season when chief sponsor CLICO filed bankruptcy, cutting their sponsorship to the San Juan based football club.
While club management headed by chairman Jerry Hospidales works feverishly on securing finance for the 2009 season, Fenwick sets his sights on the League Championship.
Its the usual circumstances. We started training the Wednesday after Carnival with a full compliment of players, said the two-time League winning coach during one of his training sessions this week.
We have the best squad in the League as back to back League Champions and we are looking to prepare them the best that we can. With the uncertainty of CLICO it is going to make things very difficult but we are hoping to have word on some certainties over the next week, he said.
Fenwick steered Jabloteh to triumph in the 2007 and 2008 League Championship and is well poised to take the 2008 Coach of the Year award. Last season honours also included the Toyota Classic and Lucozade Sport Big Six titles for the Englishman.
We are doing what we can do. We are sure of discipline, and character and we are not allowing the soft centers to get the better of us and we are prepared and ready to win the League again, added the former England international.
World Cup defender Cyd Gray and goalkeeper Daurance Williams are famous names no longer with the club after last season.
United Petrotrin goalkeeper Perry Martin was spotted training with the defending League champions and could be the man to pair off with number one goalie Cleon John for the 2009 season.
Strikers Cornel Glen and Jerrol Forbes, midfielders Marvin Oliver and Elijah Manners and team captain Trent Noel are other famous names currently in training ahead of the new season.
The defending Pro League champions will kick off their title defence on April 3rd and ten days later (April 13) start their 2009 Caribbean Football Union (CFU) Club Champions Cup campaign--automatically qualifying for Round Two.
(http://www.ttproleague.com/cms/Portals/0/Images/Terry%20Fenwick%2002.jpg)
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Fed-up Fenwick bails.
By: Lasana Liburd (T&T Express).
Jabloteh lose coach for crucial CFU qualifier
San Juan Jabloteh will travel to Suriname without influential coach Terry Fenwick for a decisive Caribbean Club Champions Cup fixture away to Inter Moengotapoe.
Jabloteh needed a late winner from team captain Marvin Oliver to see off Inter 2-1 at Marabella on Monday-although the visitors played most of the game with ten players-and cannot afford to take progress for granted.
However, Jabloteh CEO Azaad Khan admitted that Fenwick, who led the San Juan club to three T&T Pro League titles in five full seasons including back-to-back crowns in 2007 and 2008, is unpaid since the start of the year and has been carrying out his duties without recompense for the past three months.
Fenwick, a former England World Cup player, is contracted to Jabloteh for another two years, but Khan said, since the financial woes of chief sponsor CLICO, the club's attempt to get a sponsor to pick up their coach's wages have been unsuccessful.
He described Fenwick's salary as "considerable".
"The contract was paid by CLICO before, even though (Fenwick) is contracted by Jabloteh," said Khan. "But that figure is now beyond them."
Jabloteh chairman Jerry Hosepedales said Fenwick's predicament was down to CLICO's collapse rather than the failure of his club's board and insisted they were still looking for sponsors to meet the salary of the head coach, as well as their women's football team and netball programmes.
"I thought CLICO used to pay him," said Hospedales, when asked if the club met their obligations to Fenwick. "Our first responsibility is to the players CLICO is under the control of the government (now) and have decided to fund us at a very low level. But they won't fund Terry's contract."
Fenwick refused comment on his position with Jabloteh and would not confirm whether he refused to travel to Suriname for their next fixture. However, team manager Wesley Webb, captain Marvin Oliver and senior player Earl Jean confirmed that Fenwick would not lead the team in battle against Inter.
Khan told the Express that Jean, who was recruited by Fenwick from W Connection last season and was a substitute in the CFU first leg on Easter Monday, would handle coaching duties in Suriname as Jabloteh's assistant coach last year, Angus Eve, moved to Ma Pau in the close season.
Eve, Trinidad and Tobago's most capped player according to international records, will assist former Joe Public coach and 1991 Under-20 World Cup teammate Michael McComie at Ma Pau.
"Earl Jean is in charge for the short term," said Khan. "When we come back, we will decide what is going on, but people will be surprised at how strong we will end up being. We have a solid structure at this club."
The 37-year-old Jean, one of St Lucia's most celebrated ex-international players, is not certified as a coach although he has a wealth of experience from nearly two decades as a professional in Portugal, England, Scotland and Trinidad and Tobago.
Jean revealed that Fenwick prepared him in advance for his possible departure.
"He let me know what was going on and prepared me to take on the mantle," said Jean. "I am trying to get the players focused and we are hoping that everything is resolved and he will be back with us by next week. We understand what Terry is going through and we all feel for him.
"It is a big loss because he has run a very good programme in Jabloteh for many years and won many trophies. We all have to pull together because we don't want to be out of the (CFU) tournament and we want to show CLICO that we are a good bunch of players and all the money they put into the club over the years has not gone to waste.
"We are going to do everything we can to make CLICO proud to still be associated with Jabloteh."
And there was some good news at the Jabloteh training ground yesterday as the players were finally paid their salaries for last month and received assurances from Khan that the club's financial woes have been sorted out.
The goodwill between administration and players did not seem to extend to Fenwick.
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Shit.... really sad news, I hope something gets worked out.
Then again, this would be the perfect opporunity for Fenwick to join the T&T national team staff.
Come on Latapy, make the call....
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Shit.... really sad news, I hope something gets worked out.
Then again, this would be the perfect opporunity for Fenwick to join the T&T national team staff.
Come on Latapy, make the call....
Exactly what I saying...
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I really hope the T&T government gets involved in supporting the Pro League.
Many teams need help and they employ a lot of people.
PS: Sam, you are on spot here, I say give Fenwick a shot at the T&T team, we cannot rely on Varnes as he will be occupied with the under 20 team and they need all the attention they can get.
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Shit.... really sad news, I hope something gets worked out.
Then again, this would be the perfect opporunity for Fenwick to join the T&T national team staff.
Come on Latapy, make the call....
Exactly what I saying...
Interesting timing! Fenwick is basically screaming out here to Latapy that he is available to assist!
And as JW said, Latapy can have who or whatever help he thinks he requires to maximise our chances of still qualifying for South Africa!
The BIG question is does Latapy believe he can benefit from Fenwick's help or is he more concerned about establishing himself as our head coach without anyone in the wings who can replace him in a blink if things go wrong.
I believe it will be a wise move by Latapy at this point to ask for Fenwick to be included on the technical staff if hes interested as Fenwick is most likely to be interested in a serious role with our national football team at this juncture.
This would free-up Latapy to still concentrate on playing in the middle as he might be required to especially if Yorke is unable to last a full 90 minute against Costa Rica & our other opponents in the Hex in our remaining games.
It will also free-up Vranes to concentrate on the U-20s as they will need all his attention at the moment!!
Latapy, Fenwick & Vranes (when he has the time) could be the perfect management/technical team to help us turn our campaign around and take us to South Africa despite being bottom of the table right now!
In the ideal world Fenwick would have been given the head-coach position with Latapy & Vranes as his assistants but who could have predicted that Fenwick would now be available and Jack would be willing to allow Latapy to do whatever he deems necessary to get us to South Africa!
Will be interesting to see what Latapy does now!!
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Why would he do that.
Jack dont pay either, Just ask Wim and them.
Latapy getting paid with Wittco Stocks and red boxes of cancer sticks. That is the only reason he coaching.
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and yuh wonder why the pro league has become a failure in certain aspects :-[
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I eh get that he making himself available from this article. To me it sound kinda like Jabloteh started marginalizing him. They realize now they cannot meet their contractual payments to him and would have rather seen him go than "pay all that money" to him. The last three lines gave some insight into the relationship.
Fed-up Fenwick bails.
By: Lasana Liburd (T&T Express).
Jabloteh lose coach for crucial CFU qualifier
He described Fenwick's salary as "considerable".
"The contract was paid by CLICO before, even though (Fenwick) is contracted by Jabloteh," said Khan. "But that figure is now beyond them."
Jabloteh chairman Jerry Hosepedales said Fenwick's predicament was down to CLICO's collapse rather than the failure of his club's board and insisted they were still looking for sponsors to meet the salary of the head coach, as well as their women's football team and netball programmes.
"I thought CLICO used to pay him," said Hospedales, when asked if the club met their obligations to Fenwick. "Our first responsibility is to the players CLICO is under the control of the government (now) and have decided to fund us at a very low level. But they won't fund Terry's contract."
And there was some good news at the Jabloteh training ground yesterday as the players were finally paid their salaries for last month and received assurances from Khan that the club's financial woes have been sorted out.
The goodwill between administration and players did not seem to extend to Fenwick.
Them points really stand out for me. It seems like Jabloteh only care about securing themselves and ZFenwick had to sort out his business himself. They apparently believe that the players can get it done themselves or with any other coach.
This league eh looking like it will last nah.
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I doh understand dis "messiah" complex peeps seem to be increasingly associatin Fenwick wit.
He's a coach. An inexperienced one from an international perspective at ANY level at that, yet peeps clamourin for him to coach we national senior men's team apparently because he's had success at the PFL level with local players. Oh yeah...and he "know de culture". De same PFL level dat cyah beat teams outside of T&T with any degree of consistency. But somehow, he's apparently most qualified to get the best out of our footballers to compete at the international level.
I doh get it.
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I doh understand dis "messiah" complex peeps seem to be increasingly associatin Fenwick wit.
He's a coach. An inexperienced one from an international perspective at ANY level at that, yet peeps clamourin for him to coach we national senior men's team apparently because he's had success at the PFL level with local players. Oh yeah...and he "know de culture". De same PFL level dat cyah beat teams outside of T&T with any degree of consistency. But somehow, he's apparently most qualified to get the best out of our footballers to compete at the international level.
I doh get it.
Tangible success Palos, tangible sucess....
A coach who has taken local players, young local players and has created a track record of success. Of course its relative to a local context and the overall standard of play.
But nevertheless he has achieved it in front of our eyes so for some its credible. The big coaching names being thrown about seems more like a fantasy rather than reality.
I don't about him being the best candidate, but I understand why others would think he is a viable option.
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I doh understand dis "messiah" complex peeps seem to be increasingly associatin Fenwick wit.
He's a coach. An inexperienced one from an international perspective at ANY level at that, yet peeps clamourin for him to coach we national senior men's team apparently because he's had success at the PFL level with local players. Oh yeah...and he "know de culture". De same PFL level dat cyah beat teams outside of T&T with any degree of consistency. But somehow, he's apparently most qualified to get the best out of our footballers to compete at the international level.
I doh get it.
NO "Messiah" but he could certainly add value to the Senior National Coaching set-up! After my boy Stuart-Charles (Who got a VERY raw deal from the TTFF... check his results as NT Coach), Terry is the next most successfull coach in the Pro-League and has a history of nurturing young local talent. He's also VERY passionate, and could light a fire under the under-performers! However I'd prefer to see him be given the job AFTER the next WC and do the HARD work of BUILDING a team for 2014. He's also someone who would NOT take any crap from the Administration and from speaking to players who he's coached/coaches, well respected! P.S. We also go to the same Church.
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I doh understand dis "messiah" complex peeps seem to be increasingly associatin Fenwick wit.
He's a coach. An inexperienced one from an international perspective at ANY level at that, yet peeps clamourin for him to coach we national senior men's team apparently because he's had success at the PFL level with local players. Oh yeah...and he "know de culture". De same PFL level dat cyah beat teams outside of T&T with any degree of consistency. But somehow, he's apparently most qualified to get the best out of our footballers to compete at the international level.
I doh get it.
He seems to have a way of getting the younger local players to perform well. Many of his players are arguably on par or better than some that are consistently included in the NT. So why not have such a person as part of the staff? Do you know something about him that has remained under the radar? It seems like a rational move to have him included. I think he might possibly make a good coach for our NT but that is Latas job. Don't see any reason why he'd be a bad addition though.
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I doh understand dis "messiah" complex peeps seem to be increasingly associatin Fenwick wit.
He's a coach. An inexperienced one from an international perspective at ANY level at that, yet peeps clamourin for him to coach we national senior men's team apparently because he's had success at the PFL level with local players. Oh yeah...and he "know de culture". De same PFL level dat cyah beat teams outside of T&T with any degree of consistency. But somehow, he's apparently most qualified to get the best out of our footballers to compete at the international level.
I doh get it.
Palos, get real nah. Fenwick hands are free to coach at the moment, Latapy will have to coach and play. Beenhakker not coming back so de only option we have is Fenwick and maybe Stuart Charles as well. Fenwick knows T&T players and have had great success here MORE than our current coach (Latapy) has so why not give him the chance. Besides, we need Latas on the field (for now). Latapy is also inexperienced when it comes to international football coaching, so why not take a gamble on Fenwick is not like Latas any better. Both have to start somewhere and 2 heads better than one.
At this point in time, we need a miracle more than a coach, because for Latas to turn the Warriors into Warriors in less than 2 months and to play CRC a team we NEVER beat in WCQ and then go to Mexico and get a result seems impossible.
Whether is Latapy coaching alone come June 6th, I glad for him, but its not to late to try and get a little help for much cheaper than any other big name foreign coach who will come here and have not heart in T&T football, play 4 games and he gone.
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Patriot let the pastor and them know the collection will be a little light now that Fenwick aint getting paid..... ;D
Tears
The govt should pay the salary, I sure the VP of Clico still getting paid, the shortcutting the football
when yuh bailing out, bail out everybody.
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Whether is Latapy coaching alone come June 6th, I glad for him, but its not to late to try and get a little help for much cheaper than any other big name foreign coach who will come here and have not heart in T&T football, play 4 games and he gone.
Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months. Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready. But HE heart in T&T football?
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Let Jabloteh hull they ass,they thought that wave they was riding on would last for ever,they treated everybody like shyt,Hospedales wanted to be president of Football and Fenwick wanted to be national team Coach,what in the dark must come to light,they give our Football enough pressure bad talking JW and the TTFF,not wanting their players to represent the country etc etc it's easy to point fingers at Clico but anyone with sense knows that day would come some time,lets see who going to dominate Football now,everybody struggling including the league they playing in.
Hospedales eh no different from JW they all about themselves and money,i knew something was not right long time ago with the way they treated those guys from the islands etc and when to see someone like Angus Eve quit water more than flower,i talk to these guys all the time.
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I really hope the T&T government gets involved in supporting the Pro League.
Many teams need help and they employ a lot of people.
PS: Sam, you are on spot here, I say give Fenwick a shot at the T&T team, we cannot rely on Varnes as he will be occupied with the under 20 team and they need all the attention they can get.
dem have a wall to build dread , government supporting football in we country? yu eh see right after di world cup MR Dicktator took one a di football field to build he house?
war
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Let Jabloteh hull they ass,they thought that wave they was riding on would last for ever,they treated everybody like shyt,Hospedales wanted to be president of Football and Fenwick wanted to be national team Coach,what in the dark must come to light,they give our Football enough pressure bad talking JW and the TTFF,not wanting their players to represent the country etc etc it's easy to point fingers at Clico but anyone with sense knows that day would come some time,lets see who going to dominate Football now,everybody struggling including the league they playing in.
Hospedales eh no different from JW they all about themselves and money,i knew something was not right long time ago with the way they treated those guys from the islands etc and when to see someone like Angus Eve quit water more than flower,i talk to these guys all the time.
Well said Coops, Jerry in this for himself, take this from a former Jabloteh youth player.
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fenwick???
Steups!!!!!!!!!
D man win some titles at pro league level and everybody sayin he is d man to add on d national team technical roster?? D more ppl support dis chupid idea is d more ah realise y maturana stay so long in he post.
fenwick is ah arrogant, disrespectful, rude and callous person to trinidad football who fail as a proper coach and do a couple tings wit jabloteh LOCALLY!!!
We PFL level not even marginally close to anything near international level and ppl talkin bout fenwick as we coach or assistant or whaever.
Steups!!!!!
let fenwick go back wherever he come from
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Whether is Latapy coaching alone come June 6th, I glad for him, but its not to late to try and get a little help for much cheaper than any other big name foreign coach who will come here and have not heart in T&T football, play 4 games and he gone.
Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months. Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready. But HE heart in T&T football?
How you know Wim didn't het paid ? forget what you heard, Jack take yuh head. He was playing politics with T&T government. And if you read de article you will see Fenwick wasn't paid for months either. You dont know de man situation so you cant talk. All I saying is I am sure both can work together.
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Whether is Latapy coaching alone come June 6th, I glad for him, but its not to late to try and get a little help for much cheaper than any other big name foreign coach who will come here and have not heart in T&T football, play 4 games and he gone.
Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months. Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready. But HE heart in T&T football?
How you know Wim didn't het paid ? forget what you heard, Jack take yuh head. He was playing politics with T&T government. And if you read de article you will see Fenwick wasn't paid for months either. You dont know de man situation so you cant talk. All I saying is I am sure both can work together.
I heard Wim himself on I95.5 with Andre Baptiste say so on several occasions. He also said that not only he didn't get paid, but the assistants and he mention men like Anton & Michael Maurice. he also said that one time, when a cheque finally came, he made arrangements to have dem fellas paid before he got paid.
Now maybe de man lie on de radio. I jes repeatin what I hear him say.
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The US does play WC in different cities. Spain, Italy and Germany does do it to. Even Brazil does play in different cities. If our team was plenty good, it would not have matter where the game is played. Because our team so shakey we have no confidence in them. I am glad the Tobago got the game, but this was a vaille que vaille decision. All the the reasons people on this site mentioned for moving the game could be true. Only one man decision counts here.!!!
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I doh understand dis "messiah" complex peeps seem to be increasingly associatin Fenwick wit.
He's a coach. An inexperienced one from an international perspective at ANY level at that, yet peeps clamourin for him to coach we national senior men's team apparently because he's had success at the PFL level with local players. Oh yeah...and he "know de culture". De same PFL level dat cyah beat teams outside of T&T with any degree of consistency. But somehow, he's apparently most qualified to get the best out of our footballers to compete at the international level.
I doh get it.
I doh understand why everytime you see Fenwick name mention yuh wood does get hard and yuh want to rush in de thread and say "Fenwick ent do nutten yet". But yuh doh see nobody complaining about yuh Fenwick Fixation.
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The US does play WC in different cities. Spain, Italy and Germany does do it to. Even Brazil does play in different cities. If our team was plenty good, it would not have matter where the game is played. Because our team so shakey we have no confidence in them. I am glad the Tobago got the game, but this was a vaille que vaille decision. All the the reasons people on this site mentioned for moving the game could be true. Only one man decision counts here.!!!
if feelin like u post in d wrong thread
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I doh understand
That about sums it up where u concerned.
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Whether is Latapy coaching alone come June 6th, I glad for him, but its not to late to try and get a little help for much cheaper than any other big name foreign coach who will come here and have not heart in T&T football, play 4 games and he gone.
Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months. Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready. But HE heart in T&T football?
If you not getting your pay for any job what do you gain by staying and not getting paid ...... would you? Maybe wim stayed cuz he didnt have any options to go anywhere he wasn't a great coach anyway
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I really hope the T&T government football fans gets involved in supporting the Pro League.
Many teams need help and they employ a lot of people.
PS: Sam, you are on spot here, I say give Fenwick a shot at the T&T team, we cannot rely on Varnes as he will be occupied with the under 20 team and they need all the attention they can get.
Fixed it for you
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The US does play WC in different cities. Spain, Italy and Germany does do it to. Even Brazil does play in different cities. If our team was plenty good, it would not have matter where the game is played. Because our team so shakey we have no confidence in them. I am glad the Tobago got the game, but this was a vaille que vaille decision. All the the reasons people on this site mentioned for moving the game could be true. Only one man decision counts here.!!!
Yuh just wake up or what? lol are you sure you meant to post in this thread?
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Sorry, wrong post!!!
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Whether is Latapy coaching alone come June 6th, I glad for him, but its not to late to try and get a little help for much cheaper than any other big name foreign coach who will come here and have not heart in T&T football, play 4 games and he gone.
Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months. Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready. But HE heart in T&T football?
If you not getting your pay for any job what do you gain by staying and not getting paid ...... would you? Maybe wim stayed cuz he didnt have any options to go anywhere he wasn't a great coach anyway
so what you call the goat that just get fired ?
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Whether is Latapy coaching alone come June 6th, I glad for him, but its not to late to try and get a little help for much cheaper than any other big name foreign coach who will come here and have not heart in T&T football, play 4 games and he gone.
Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months. Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready. But HE heart in T&T football?
If you not getting your pay for any job what do you gain by staying and not getting paid ...... would you? Maybe wim stayed cuz he didnt have any options to go anywhere he wasn't a great coach anyway
so what you call the goat that just get fired ?
Sven Goran Eriksson?
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Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months. Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready. But HE heart in T&T football?
On the contrary Palos, Fenwick hasn't been paid for 2 weeks less than 6 months....
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Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months. Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready. But HE heart in T&T football?
On the contrary Palos, Fenwick hasn't been paid for 2 weeks less than 6 months....
Yeah breddrin. Ah was jes bein faceituous. Fenwick do wha he hadda do. Hopefully it work out for him.
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I doh understand
That about sums it up where u concerned.
You could try dat shit with somebody else fella... your mouth longer dan yuh reach.
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Allyuh want this greedy traitor to coach we national team? :rotfl:
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Whether is Latapy coaching alone come June 6th, I glad for him, but its not to late to try and get a little help for much cheaper than any other big name foreign coach who will come here and have not heart in T&T football, play 4 games and he gone.
Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months. Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready. But HE heart in T&T football?
If you not getting your pay for any job what do you gain by staying and not getting paid ...... would you? Maybe wim stayed cuz he didnt have any options to go anywhere he wasn't a great coach anyway
so what you call the goat that just get fired ?
The goat that just get fired is a....GOAT nuff said
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I really hope the T&T government gets involved in supporting the Pro League.
Many teams need help and they employ a lot of people.
PS: Sam, you are on spot here, I say give Fenwick a shot at the T&T team, we cannot rely on Varnes as he will be occupied with the under 20 team and they need all the attention they can get.
They already do
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I doh understand dis "messiah" complex peeps seem to be increasingly associatin Fenwick wit.
He's a coach. An inexperienced one from an international perspective at ANY level at that, yet peeps clamourin for him to coach we national senior men's team apparently because he's had success at the PFL level with local players. Oh yeah...and he "know de culture". De same PFL level dat cyah beat teams outside of T&T with any degree of consistency. But somehow, he's apparently most qualified to get the best out of our footballers to compete at the international level.
I doh get it.
Cosign
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Whether is Latapy coaching alone come June 6th, I glad for him, but its not to late to try and get a little help for much cheaper than any other big name foreign coach who will come here and have not heart in T&T football, play 4 games and he gone.
Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months. Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready. But HE heart in T&T football?
How you know Wim didn't het paid ? forget what you heard, Jack take yuh head. He was playing politics with T&T government. And if you read de article you will see Fenwick wasn't paid for months either. You dont know de man situation so you cant talk. All I saying is I am sure both can work together.
I heard Wim himself on I95.5 with Andre Baptiste say so on several occasions. He also said that not only he didn't get paid, but the assistants and he mention men like Anton & Michael Maurice. he also said that one time, when a cheque finally came, he made arrangements to have dem fellas paid before he got paid.
Now maybe de man lie on de radio. I jes repeatin what I hear him say.
Let me confirm I mind him 4 months. Anton and all say that he and Barber and dem was not being paid when dey had d under 17
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I really hope the T&T government football fans gets involved in supporting the Pro League.
Many teams need help and they employ a lot of people.
PS: Sam, you are on spot here, I say give Fenwick a shot at the T&T team, we cannot rely on Varnes as he will be occupied with the under 20 team and they need all the attention they can get.
Fixed it for you
Cosign is d govt fault 300 peeps does go d Pro League
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Fenwick mulls court action against Jabloteh.
By: Nigel Simon (T&T Guardian).
Having gone five months without a salary from T&T Pro League club Clico San Juan Jabloteh, Englishman Terry Fenwick says he is now ready to take the matter to court if the need arises. Contacted yesterday, the day the 2009 season of the league now sponsored by Digicel began, Fenwick said Jabloteh had still not communicated with him and told him him of his status officially.
He said: As far as the club goes Im still the technical director and they are actively seeking sponsors to cover my salary. But at the same time I simply cannot continue in this position without being paid. Its simply not realistic. Fenwick began the pre-season coaching the team in readiness for the 2009 season. However, he opted not to travel with the team for a Caribbean Football Union Club Championship match due to a break down in talks over salary payment.
The matter is now a legal one as I feel that someone and Jabloteh are responsible for my contract. This is not the stone age and its not something that they (Jabloteh) could just walk away from, he said. His salary has been rumoured to be over $50,000, but Fenwick, who led Jabloteh to a successful league title-defence last year and was named 2008 Pro League Coach of the Year said he had offered to reduce his wage demands. I informed the board members of the club that I was quite willing to renegotiate and scale down my salary many months ago but nothing has happened.
As it is at the moment my solicitors contacted the club (Jabloteh) over a month ago and we are still awaiting a reply. Fenwicks role at the club became a topic of discussion when mega insurance company Clico, the main financial support group of the club was taken over by government because of financial troubles last year. Vindra Dass, Fenwicks lawyer said, We have not begun mitigation as yet as we would like to give Jabloteh the opportunity to try and solve the matter before it reaches the court. We have not taken the next step of commencing court proceedings, but if the matter is not resolved then we would have no choice but to take the next step, said Dass.
In taking over the company, the T&T Government opted too support the club at a lower level, and this did not include support for Fenwicks salary. Jerry Hospedales, chairman of Jabloteh said the club was still hopeful of holding onto the services of coach Fenwick but preferred not to comment on the latest twist which has seen the matter reaching the courts.
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i hope he can stay in T&T
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Jack bury the hatchet and do whats best for the Game, give the man a job... :devil:
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Jack bury the hatchet and do whats best for the Game, give the man a job... :devil:
:rotfl: :rotfl:
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Jack bury the hatchet and do whats best for the Game, give the man a job... :devil:
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Cosign
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i hope he can stay in T&T
i hope so too.
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Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Newsday).
Former England international footballer Terry Fenwick has been returned as coach of struggling San Juan Jabloteh who are campaigning in the TT Pro League.
Newsday has been reliably informed that Fenwick has been recalled after making his exit from the team following the financial problems of the CL Financial conglomerate which was owned by Lawrence Duprey earlier this year.
The former England defender gained notoriety when he was dribbled-past by Argentinian midfielder Diego Maradona during the Hand of God goal 1986 World Cup in Mexico.
It is understood that he was considering taking legal action after the club was unable to pay salaries to players and coaches. Fenwicks contract expired at the end of 2010 and Fenwick was reportedly owed millions.
CL Financial reportedly supplied the club with a whopping $350,000 monthly before the collapse. The club which comprises numerous youth teams, a reserve league team, Superleague team, TT Pro League team as well as a netball team were all funded by Clico.
According to the source Fenwick received a monthly salary of well over $100,000 which included bonuses and other perks.
Contacted also Travis Mulraine, the teams assistant coach confirmed that his staff received letters informing them of Fenwicks return to the club for the rest of the season and the following year.
His return means that Mulraines position as well as that of team coach Earl Jean, a recruit from W Connection, could be in jeopardy. San Juan Jabloteh struggled to win any title this year and in the Toyota Cup final they were clobbered 4-0 by Joe Public earlier this month.
Quizzed about the teams performances this year Mulraine said he was relatively satisfied with the performances, considering the exodus of players that resulted from the collapse. Mulraine, a former national midfielder and captain hinted that the spate of poor performances stemmed from indiscipline within the camp.
Mulraine who also missed out on an international contract during his playing days with the Joe Public Football Club in the 1990s said the indiscipline within the camp interrupted their programme this year.
He lashed out at local players for their lack of commitment which has been providing them with their bread and butter daily. He is now aiming to gets his FA A Licence next year.
Mulraine has expressed an interest in coaching at the national level and yesterday he noted that if that does not happen, he will explore his options in coaching abroad saying local players are not ready to take on seriousness of professional football.
In the meantime however, Mulraine is awaiting interests from local clubs in the TT Pro League.
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OKKKKKKKKK
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Well good move, Fenwick will surely bring back some disciplined, something every player in the pro league lacks, especially the T&T players, they lazy and only care about the money, they don't like to work hard or earn it.
Hopefully Jabloteh will recover in time for the next concacaf cup.
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Glad he back in the picture.
Next national senior team coach?
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Glad he back in the picture.
Next national senior team coach?
Right after Shaka replace Camps
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Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Newsday).
CL Financial reportedly supplied the club with a whopping $350,000 monthly before the collapse. The club which comprises numerous youth teams, a reserve league team, Superleague team, TT Pro League team as well as a netball team were all funded by Clico.
wha he up to what is 350000 a month 4.2 million if is 12 months or say 3.2 for 9 mths the season ... may be think a club does run on air !!! ::)
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Much needed..these Johnny-come-lately coaches not cutting it. That is the problem: they don't have great playing pedigree, just getting into local coaching, and are being plunged into the deep from the get go. Mulraine is better off going abroad and learning the trade. Ain't got much to learn from back home; the bunch is spoiled, if you ask me.
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This article, full of errors, grammatical and factual.
Fenwick wasn't dribbled in the Hand of God goal, he was dribbled in the Goal of the century.
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This article, full of errors, grammatical and factual.
Fenwick wasn't dribbled in the Hand of God goal, he was dribbled in the Goal of the century.
I did not know when 2010 came and went.
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This article, full of errors, grammatical and factual.
Fenwick wasn't dribbled in the Hand of God goal, he was dribbled in the Goal of the century.
I did not know when 2010 came and went.
Check yuh Mayan calendar, 2010 gone looonnnggg time
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Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
:beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
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Earl Jean is a good guy and I believe the players never respected him and he didn't stamp his authority and that was one of the reason Jabloteh did so bad, another is he lacks experience at concacaf level as a coach, but I hope he does not give up and go on to some other pro league team and carry his experience with him.
I met him a few times and he is a very nice fella.
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Jean out, Fenwick back in at Jabloteh
Monday, November 30th 2009
Trinidad and Tobago Pro League outfit San Juan Jabloteh have sacked Earl Jean and fellow members of his coaching staff from their positions.
The move ushers the return of former coach Terry Fenwick for the third time following legal turmoil with the club, and a season in which Jabloteh have so far been empty-handed.
I have been around football in T&T over the last year keeping my eyes on players in the Pro League and even in the Secondary Schools Football League, said Fenwick.
Jean came to the position at the start of the season, when the CLICO Group - Jablotehs main sponsors - ran into financial difficulty, and the club could no longer afford to pay Fenwicks fees.
Under the St. Lucians guidance, Jabloteh started the season with a third place finish in the Caribbean Football Union Club Championship, and qualified for the CONCACAF Champions League, where they eventually reached the group stages, but failed to win a single match.
On the home front, Jabloteh failed to recapture any of the three trophies they had won under Fenwick from the previous season.
But Fenwick believes he can put things back together again for next season.
Im now looking forward to taking the club back to the top of local football, said the ex-England international.
I am looking to recruit some young quality players from the school system, and add some players from other clubs who will be out of contract.
:thinking: :thinking: :waiting: :waiting:
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Right after Shaka replace Camps
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IT would be nice to see this happen but very unlikely anytime soon. Having only recently started his new career it's unlikely that he will drop it, uproot his family and move back to trinidad any time soon. Now him being a special advisor to who ever T&T can find to replace Camps sounds very possible.
I do fully support the Shaka Hislop for TTFF President.
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Right after Shaka replace Camps
IT would be nice to see this happen but very unlikely anytime soon. Having only recently started his new career it's unlikely that he will drop it, uproot his family and move back to trinidad any time soon. Now him being a special advisor to who ever T&T can find to replace Camps sounds very possible.
I do fully support the Shaka Hislop for TTFF President.
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Godfather, I am going to assume you're fairly new...seeing your 20 posts...so word of advice...look out for the sarcasm, otherwise dem fellas going to introduce you to the now infamous Davy Jenny Award.
On a another note, Travis just reaping what he sow when he was a player. There was hardly a more indisciplined player...passionate about his game, but lacking discipline nevertheless.
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And once again he misses out on a Champions League tournament...and I don't think Jabloteh qualify for next year, or have they?
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And once again he misses out on a Champions League tournament...and I don't think Jabloteh qualify for next year, or have they?
Yes, both Jabloteh and Joe Public qualified for the concacaf cup group stages, I THINK the caribbean cup will not be played this time because of the 2010 WC and both teams will go directly into the group stages ?
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Right after Shaka replace Camps
IT would be nice to see this happen but very unlikely anytime soon. Having only recently started his new career it's unlikely that he will drop it, uproot his family and move back to trinidad any time soon. Now him being a special advisor to who ever T&T can find to replace Camps sounds very possible.
I do fully support the Shaka Hislop for TTFF President.
Godfather, I am going to assume you're fairly new...seeing your 20 posts...so word of advice...look out for the sarcasm, otherwise dem fellas going to introduce you to the now infamous Davy Jenny Award.
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Help d brudder out.
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So it appears that Jabloteh has money now????????????????????????? Who is their sponsor??? Blink. Who owns Blink?????
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well said Sam
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Quizzed about the teams performances this year Mulraine said he was relatively satisfied with the performances, considering the exodus of players that resulted from the collapse. Mulraine, a former national midfielder and captain hinted that the spate of poor performances stemmed from indiscipline within the camp.
Mulraine who also missed out on an international contract during his playing days with the Joe Public Football Club in the 1990s said the indiscipline within the camp interrupted their programme this year.
He lashed out at local players for their lack of commitment which has been providing them with their bread and butter daily. He is now aiming to gets his FA A Licence next year.
Mulraine has expressed an interest in coaching at the national level and yesterday he noted that if that does not happen, he will explore his options in coaching abroad saying local players are not ready to take on seriousness of professional football.
In the meantime however, Mulraine is awaiting interests from local clubs in the TT Pro League.
Buh ent he was jes recently a local player?
Ah wonder what it is did cause he to miss out on de international professional contract?
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Godfather, I am going to assume you're fairly new...seeing your 20 posts...so word of advice...look out for the sarcasm, otherwise dem fellas going to introduce you to the now infamous Davy Jenny Award.
On a another note, Travis just reaping what he sow when he was a player. There was hardly a more indisciplined player...passionate about his game, but lacking discipline nevertheless.
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Thanks for the heads up but wasn't trying to be sarcastic. Being new I guess I got the quoting thing wrong so it might have seemed like I was mocking the previous writer.
Thanks for the heads up.
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What is amazing is, foreign coaches (most, except for Petrotrin.. 8)) could get the best out of our players/teams (T&T [Beenhakker] & Jabloteh [Fenwick]) and the locals are always complaining.
I personally feel the problem stems from the top, the players are only as good as their coach or admin. Lets see what Fenwick will do with his limited budget.
Terry Fenwick took a long time to build a solid young team and when he left everything fell apart. Not that Earl Jean is a bad coach, but maybe he was a bit soft and the players took advantage off that... (???) .. I would have loved to see Jean stay on as Fenwick assistant.
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Godfather, I am going to assume you're fairly new...seeing your 20 posts...so word of advice...look out for the sarcasm, otherwise dem fellas going to introduce you to the now infamous Davy Jenny Award.
On a another note, Travis just reaping what he sow when he was a player. There was hardly a more indisciplined player...passionate about his game, but lacking discipline nevertheless.
Thanks for the heads up but wasn't trying to be sarcastic. Being new I guess I got the quoting thing wrong so it might have seemed like I was mocking the previous writer.
Thanks for the heads up.
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Look like yuh get it wrong again :devil:
Doh worry yuh go learn it. OJT
But as for Fenwick. Jabloteh make ah good move because they need to make a better presentation of themselves in the Champions League and the indiscipline that was obviously the main problem had to be corrected. They have some decent players who need direction on and off the field
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If our local coaches are that bad, then how come the JP(gulp) coach has them in top form and they are on the verge of winning everything. Although I think connection going to win the FA. An look how Mau-Pau playing under Mcomie.
I think it was and is all about money. JP and Mau Pau are well financed. The entire Jab. team get real shocked when Clico took a dive and Fenwick heself bailed out. It must have had an effect the dynamics of the team. But now all of a sudden Fenwick is back and everything with Jab go be alright. Money talks. Fenwick got what is owed to him and the team probably got a new godfather. Probably not as rich as Duprey, but have substantial money to cushion their fall.
Also what about Fevrier. This man in TT so long, I almost sure he has his citizenship. I do count him as a local also.
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Jabloteh start youth sessions.
T&T Newsday Reports.
Terry Fenwick will have his first major task, in his new stint as San Juan Jabloteh coach, when he oversees the screening sessions for clubs Under-14 and Under-16 teams.
The screening sessions will be staged at the Aranguez Savannah.
Today, the Under-14 team sessions will begin, with additional trials scheduled for tomorrow and December 12.
Persons will have to be born on or after January 1 1996 in order to gain selection for the Under-14 squad.
The Under-16 sessions will take place on December 12, 13 and 19, with interested players required to be born on or after January 1 1994. All the days sessions will start at 9 am and conclude at noon.
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Jabloteh start youth sessions.
T&T Newsday Reports.
Terry Fenwick will have his first major task, in his new stint as San Juan Jabloteh coach, when he oversees the screening sessions for clubs Under-14 and Under-16 teams.
The screening sessions will be staged at the Aranguez Savannah.
Today, the Under-14 team sessions will begin, with additional trials scheduled for tomorrow and December 12.
Persons will have to be born on or after January 1 1996 in order to gain selection for the Under-14 squad.
The Under-16 sessions will take place on December 12, 13 and 19, with interested players required to be born on or after January 1 1994. All the days sessions will start at 9 am and conclude at noon.
back to work so soon terry
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http://www.youtube.com/v/NCnJ2CoR5ig
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Terry talk like a real boss they !!!!
Happy to see him back. But the real test is the concacaf cup, hopefully he will get the team back to top standard.
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Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football.
By: Randy Bando (ttproleague).
"We score in added-on time to draw against Grenada and applaud this as a good result," questioned San Juan Jabloteh head coach Terry Fenwick this week.
"No disrespect intended to Grenada, but there is something fundamentally wrong if that is the extent of our (T&T) International ambitions, the former England international added.
Fenwick was commenting on the recent 1-1 draw by the Trinidad and Tobago U-23s against Grenadas National Mens Senior Team on Saturday night in Grenada in which a couple of his club players were involved.
The team was captained by Jabloteh defender Robert Primus who was praised by U-23 coach Zoran Vranes for his performances as captain and central defender.
However T&T needed an extra time item by recently signed Caledonia AIA defender Daniel Cyrus after Grenada held a 1-0 advantage from the 25th minute through Marcus Julien.
"Grenada has no professional League and would struggle to put two teams together. I must be going mad because I would have seen the result as disappointing, continued Fenwick.
"There can be no comparison between Grenada and Trinidad & Tobago! Yes they may have produced one or two players that have secured contracts abroad but the extent of our development program and the dollars that have been squandered over recent years on twice weekly training sessions, overseas tours, the countless friendly games but we are still seeing Grenada as competition. Please! do me a favor, get real!"
Following the match, according to a TTFF press release Vranes said, "We scored very late but I am very satisfied with my teams performance against Grenadas Senior Team which is preparing for the Digicel Cup later this year.
"We dominated the game for very long periods but they got the first goal and they were very determined not to give up anything. We missed a few good opportunities but Im not worried over our performance from this game because we had them under pressure for long periods in this match," he added.
Meantime Fenwick preparing CLICO Jabloteh for the upcoming 2010 season said in terms of developing players at international level, its poor!
He made reference to both the T&T U-23 (preparing for the CAC Games and upcoming Olympic) and Senior Teams adding, "Ive been to most National training sessions and the sessions are not relevant to football.
"Yes the sessions look pretty to the untrained eye but to the onlooking professional, the sessions lack structure, progression and objective."
Fenwick further explained that he will withdraw his players from National teams training until the season 2010 TT Pro League season has commenced.
"I know only too well that my players attending twice weekly sessions will be dropped like hot potatoes when overseas players return for competitive games," said the three-time League winning coach. "Why should I subject my players to that disappointment in their young careers?
"Im withdrawing my players until the season has commenced. Its pertinent that we get our team (Jabloteh) right for the start of the season [which includes Caribbean Football Union club championship], Contrary to the National coaches, I see every training session as vitally important to the principles of play and winning habits, he said.
Robert Primus, Sheldon Bateau, Jason Joseph, Sheldon Clark and Jerrol Britto are with the U-23s on Tuesdays while Bateau, Primus also joins Ataullah Guerra and Jason Marcano with the T&T Seniors on Wednesdays and Thursdays.
They will all miss national team sessions this week and next week under the directive of Fenwick who believes they are not learning or extending themselves.
Fenwick said there is also concern in the Senior team coaching setup.
"My players are involved in National sessions at several different levels and its my job to oversea their overall development as players. We are delighted with our players' selection at National level but we have been disappointed with the content of sessions.
When players are selected for national teams we must appreciate they have skill sets and national training should be about converting those skill sets into winning teams. And I don't see that happening.
"We have to understand that the TTFF deliberated very long before announcing "No Change!" and Russell (Latapy) continued as head coach. Most will see National football since 2006 WC qualification as a huge failure, and yet we see the same old people in their comfortable positions calling the shots all over again.
The TTFF will reduce their argument to lack of funding but we see the same inexperienced back room management continuing where they have failed before.
"The TTFF is not doing their bit in providing professional and competent support for Russell as National coach. So we are not giving him a chance. We recently saw Marvin Faustin, nice guy, recruited as assistant coach but now we have not one, but two very inexperienced coaches with no real program going forward.
"My comments are not meant to offend but merely extend an opinion on a professional basis. When it all turns sour for Russell, the TTFF will undoubtedly turn to Dwight as the next step. Only when these two National hero's have ruined their coaching careers will the TTFF look further than the end of their noses.
I think it is very unfair on both Russell and Dwight to be exposed in this way. I believe Russell is doing the job for all the right reasons but is ill equipped to succeed.
"I think we should be doing much better than we are at every level...unfortunately inexperience and lack of competence at management level will have us fall short in meaningful competitions." ended the Jabloteh coach.
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The more i hear of this man, the more I feel like this man should be involved in our national team program.
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lord fenwick calm down man
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well we'll see Jabloteh this rounds.
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Kick dem in de bollocksTel,let them know that changes needs to happen.
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:applause: wow!
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man damn right..Players celebrated after the match like it was a win.
I have played against the teams that have most of the national players here and we have beaten or drawn all of them with our university team that only trains once a week. PLus the grenada national team only trained for 5 days before this match! They did not even have a proper coach before that!
I don't care how much trouble Grenada has given in recent history, there is no excuse to not beat that side that was in the stadium on the weekend
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The more i hear of this man, the more I feel like this man should be involved in our national team program.
AGREE 100%... UNfortunately, it's precisely BECAUSE of his outspokeness that he would NEVER get a National Coaching position under the current regime... but maybe one day down the road we may get our wish...
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The more i hear of this man, the more I feel like this man should be involved in our national team program.
That might be the worst thing to ever happen to him.
If his results ain't anything above mediocre, the backlash (even from this very forum) would be very nasty.
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The more i hear of this man, the more I feel like this man should be involved in our national team program.
AGREE 100%... UNfortunately, it's precisely BECAUSE of his outspokeness that he would NEVER get a National Coaching position under the current regime... but maybe one day down the road we may get our wish...
If memory serves me right, didn't he said with his own mouth that he's been offered the job on quite ah few occasions? so why would he take it now or any other time for that matter ?
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well we'll see Jabloteh this rounds.
co-sign
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"I know only too well that my players attending twice weekly sessions will be dropped like hot potatoes when overseas players return for competitive games," said the three-time League winning coach.
"My players are involved in National sessions at several different levels and its my job to oversea their overall development as players.
I always suspected Fenwick was an agent masquerading as a coach. :devil:
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Fenwick need to come to some kinda compromise with the National Coach.
It's almost ah damn if he do and damn if he don't.
I really don't see too much overseas players being called up for the National Team unless Latas smoking something real strong. Most of them close to 30 or over 30. The next World Cup is 4 years away. So there is pretty much no point bringing in players that will be taking ah spot from a younger player. Add 4 years to the overseas players near 30 and they will be below average (which most ah dem average regardless if they the best we have now).
Might as well take the younger players now and work with them like Latas want to twice a week for the next 2-4 years (if possible). That team may not have strong players individually but they will be stronger as a unit.
So there in lies the problem. Would Latas who is working with young players now pick Jabloteh players who hasn't trained with the National Team (like happened before when Fenwick didn't allow his players to train with the National Team) or will he pick them because they better than some of the players he will be training from other clubs.
Fenwick damn if he do and damn if he don't.
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Not because the man may not want the job means he can't or should not talk,nobody in T&T Football likes to be told the truth,our Football is the way it is because everybody afraid to talk,why,because their bread and butter will get cut,if Fenwickk feels to talk i think it's a good thing for our Football,it's the same reason people don't like Alvin because they say he talks too much,wheather it's good or bad i like to hear these guys talk,if you listen to Fenwick he always says he is talking from a professional point of view,the problem is he is dealing with a bunch of amateurs,anybody who knows T&T Football will realize we are always spinning top in mud, Latapy still playing man in the middle with international players.
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baba and royal...why we have to wait and see jab this rounds ???
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man damn right..Players celebrated after the match like it was a win.
Come on man.
Comin back to score in the dregs to rescue ANY MATCH is a tremendous relief for ANY side, regardless of the opposition.
Me eh know wha allyuh expeck nah. Yes we should be beatin Grenada but de ball round. Anyting could happen.
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palos goal celebration cool i expect that...after the match going to the sidelines and jumping up and down and dancing? come nah
u hadda admit that overdone
as i said before, acknowledge yuh supporters but all the dancing and thing not needed, they should not have been that pleased with the result
but hey trinis like any excuse to party, so if u accept that well good for u
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"Ive been to most National training sessions and the sessions are not relevant to football.
Big up Terry, tell them...
For us to be successful, we need to have a strong and organised administration.
How could Latapy work under such poor administration makes him look like he grasping at straws and will kill his rep if he don't stamp his authority. He needs to force some sort of respect, at present, he just buying time.
Some people may say I eh like Latas as coach, but to be honest he has not impress me this far, but I have a little petie for him because the people he working for making him look more bad, but again, he eh seem like he mind, he just want ah wok....
As for Vranes, I can't believe we spend so much time and money on this current under 23 team and yet we playing like we unsure.
Something needs to be done and fast.
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Big-up to Fenwick for talking the truth!
Maybe if someone in the TTFF listens we can rescue our football before it gets to the point where we start regularly celebrating drawing with teams like Grenada, St Kitts & Bermuda as some sort of massive achievement!
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Anybody notice he refers to the T&T National team as "we" and "our team". Shows me where his loyalty lies if he considers here his home...FENWICK FOR NATIONAL COACH!!! :beermug: :beermug: :devil:
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Not because the man may not want the job means he can't or should not talk,nobody in T&T Football likes to be told the truth,our Football is the way it is because everybody afraid to talk,why,because their bread and butter will get cut,if Fenwickk feels to talk i think it's a good thing for our Football,it's the same reason people don't like Alvin because they say he talks too much,wheather it's good or bad i like to hear these guys talk,if you listen to Fenwick he always says he is talking from a professional point of view,the problem is he is dealing with a bunch of amateurs,anybody who knows T&T Football will realize we are always spinning top in mud, Latapy still playing man in the middle with international players.
when he had d opportunity to help, he declined (if what he said about him bein offered d head coach position is true)
what good his talkin an givin speech goin an do d team now? if he so concerned bout d state of we football why he didnt take d position? (an workin for jack warner shouldnt be d excuse)
fenwick jus like d rest ah we! all ah we is just mouth murderers. we only have talk. no action
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Not because the man may not want the job means he can't or should not talk,nobody in T&T Football likes to be told the truth,our Football is the way it is because everybody afraid to talk,why,because their bread and butter will get cut,if Fenwickk feels to talk i think it's a good thing for our Football,it's the same reason people don't like Alvin because they say he talks too much,wheather it's good or bad i like to hear these guys talk,if you listen to Fenwick he always says he is talking from a professional point of view,the problem is he is dealing with a bunch of amateurs,anybody who knows T&T Football will realize we are always spinning top in mud, Latapy still playing man in the middle with international players.
when he had d opportunity to help, he declined (if what he said about him bein offered d head coach position is true)
what good his talkin an givin speech goin an do d team now? if he so concerned bout d state of we football why he didnt take d position? (an workin for jack warner shouldnt be d excuse)
fenwick jus like d rest ah we! all ah we is just mouth murderers. we only have talk. no action
There is always one caveat ..........
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when he had d opportunity to help, he declined (if what he said about him bein offered d head coach position is true)
what good his talkin an givin speech goin an do d team now? if he so concerned bout d state of we football why he didnt take d position? (an workin for jack warner shouldnt be d excuse)
fenwick jus like d rest ah we! all ah we is just mouth murderers. we only have talk. no action
So if you see some shit go down dat ent sit right with you... then man come and offer you a chance to be part ah de same shit and you say "no", dat mean you forever foreclosed from criticizing de shit in future? Because ostensibly you had a chance to help clean up de shit and yuh decide tuh pass? Nah, I cyah agree with that. Fenwick eh dotish... blacklist players money tie up and now that more and more financial scrutiny coming down on Jack that he cyah tief like he used to. Now he decide he money eh jumping up no more. Why Fenwick should take de wuk with all that instability and uncertainty surrounding it?
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Side note... is YEARS now I fuh one saying he's de best man fuh de job and man talk all kinah shit. Coop's even you self say is juss cause he's ah foreigner man biggin him up and how he campaigning fuh wuk. Gload to see others recogninzing the same qualities I and others see in him long time.
Fitzinho... dat tent nutten new with Fenwick, he Trini long time lol
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Not because the man may not want the job means he can't or should not talk,nobody in T&T Football likes to be told the truth,our Football is the way it is because everybody afraid to talk,why,because their bread and butter will get cut,if Fenwickk feels to talk i think it's a good thing for our Football,it's the same reason people don't like Alvin because they say he talks too much,wheather it's good or bad i like to hear these guys talk,if you listen to Fenwick he always says he is talking from a professional point of view,the problem is he is dealing with a bunch of amateurs,anybody who knows T&T Football will realize we are always spinning top in mud, Latapy still playing man in the middle with international players.
I saw Messi and dem playin man in de middle today on International TV. Correct me if I am wrong.
and as for Just loving to hear people talk whether it good or bad well.... Ill take de good and others can accept the bad. Alvin Corneal will forever border on bad until he incorporates his son in de mix when he is criticizin.
as for Terry.. I agree with most of what he is saying in terms of Latas needing good help. Faustin is good local help but for preparing the team for Int'l Latas will need the help of an int'l defensive coach the likes of Wim and better. I dont know that Terry can get that job either. Also as far as barring the players from national duty go, Fenwick is only doing it for another 2-3 sessions until PFL season start. That is not too much to ask I believe.
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media officers responses to fenwich on facebook...
oops he deleted it.
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Jablotehs Fenwick slams T&TFFwithdraws players from national training
Guardian: 1 Apr 2010
Outspoken Clico San Juan Jabloteh English coach, Terry Fenwick, has slammed the development of players for the international level by the T&T Football Federation as being poor. The former England international and 1986 World Cup player made reference to both the T&T Under-23 team which is preparing for the Central American and Caribbean (CAC) Games and upcoming Olympic qualifiers and senior teams. Ive been to most national training sessions and the sessions are not relevant to football.
Yes, the sessions look pretty to the untrained eye but to the onlooking professional, the sessions lack structure, progression and objective. Fenwick, a former England International, further explained that he will withdraw his players from national teams training until the 2010 season Digicel T&T Pro League season commenced on April 9. I know only too well that my players attending twice weekly sessions will be dropped like hot potatoes when overseas players return for competitive games, said the three-time Pro League winning coach. Why should I subject my players to that disappointment in their young careers?
Contrary to the national coaches, I see every training session as vitally important to the principles of play and winning habits, he said. Currently Jablotehs Robert Primus, Sheldon Bateau, Jason Joseph, Sheldon Clark and Jerrol Britto are training with the Under-23s on Tuesdays, while Bateau and Primus joins Ataulla Guerra and Jason Marcano with the national senior training squad on Wednesdays and Thursdays. They will all miss national team sessions this week and will do so again next week under the directive of Fenwick, who believes they are not learning or extending themselves.
expresses concern in T&T senior coaching setup
Fenwick said there is also concern in the senior team coaching setup. My players are involved in national sessions at several different levels and its my job to oversee their overall development as players. We are delighted with our players' selection at national level but we have been disappointed with the content of sessions. When players are selected for national teams we must appreciate they have skill sets and national training should be about converting those skill sets into winning teams. And I don't see that happening.
We have to understand that the T&TFF deliberated very long before announcing No Change! and Russell (Latapy) continued as head coach. Most will see national football since 2006 World Cup qualification as a huge failure, and yet we see the same old people in their comfortable positions calling the shots all over again. The local federation will reduce their argument to lack of funding but we see the same inexperienced back room management continuing where they have failed before. The T&TFF is not doing their bit in providing professional and competent support for Russell as national coach. So we are not giving him a chance. We recently saw Marvin Faustin, a nice guy, recruited as assistant coach but now we have not one, but two very inexperienced coaches with no real programme going forward.
My comments are not meant to offend but merely extend an opinion on a professional basis. When it all turns sour for Russell, the T&TFF will undoubtedly turn to Dwight Yorke as the next step. Only when these two national heroes have ruined their coaching careers will the T&TFF look further than the end of their noses. I think it is very unfair on both Russell and Dwight to be exposed in this way. I believe Russell is doing the job for all the right reasons but is ill equipped to succeed. I think we should be doing much better than we are at every level...unfortunately inexperience and lack of competence at management level will have us fall short in meaningful competitions. said the Jabloteh coach.
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The more i hear of this man, the more I feel like this man should be involved in our national team program.
AGREE 100%... UNfortunately, it's precisely BECAUSE of his outspokeness that he would NEVER get a National Coaching position under the current regime... but maybe one day down the road we may get our wish...
If memory serves me right, didn't he said with his own mouth that he's been offered the job on quite ah few occasions? so why would he take it now or any other time for that matter ?
I could think of at least one good reason why he may have declined the offer. Beenhakker was ready to walk away also if he didn't have the control he needed to get the job done. Why should Fenwick take the job if he's going to feel hamstrung or hindered from doing his job?
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Face it man no Trini is good enough to take the job of TT football coach,FOREIGN PLEASE.
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Face it man no Trini is good enough to take the job of TT football coach,FOREIGN PLEASE.
Ah feel Calder Hart could run for this position....
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Not because the man may not want the job means he can't or should not talk,nobody in T&T Football likes to be told the truth,our Football is the way it is because everybody afraid to talk,why,because their bread and butter will get cut,if Fenwickk feels to talk i think it's a good thing for our Football,it's the same reason people don't like Alvin because they say he talks too much,wheather it's good or bad i like to hear these guys talk,if you listen to Fenwick he always says he is talking from a professional point of view,the problem is he is dealing with a bunch of amateurs,anybody who knows T&T Football will realize we are always spinning top in mud, Latapy still playing man in the middle with international players.
when he had d opportunity to help, he declined (if what he said about him bein offered d head coach position is true)
what good his talkin an givin speech goin an do d team now? if he so concerned bout d state of we football why he didnt take d position? (an workin for jack warner shouldnt be d excuse)
fenwick jus like d rest ah we! all ah we is just mouth murderers. we only have talk. no action
Queen girl for the answer to yuh question check Patriot post above......and yes working for Jack would be the number one excuse.....
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Terry come out swinging dey boy!! ah fully endorse his sentiments!! its ridiculous to be drawing with the likes of grenada, especially a grenada team without two of their big guns. most of these players on our team just played in a youth world cup and to have them draw against a local grenada team is nonsense. terry right in every aspect. i never been in a session of his, but based on his comments it seems he has his players best interest at heart...along with the club. before I saw primus for the first time as a jabloteh player i saw fenwick comment on him and he rated him so highly i was like...who the hell is this player. then i saw for myself the quality this youth has and i gained a new respect for that coach. its a shame that after all this is said and done, we will be right back to the same campaign we had previously. all what he said was in vain and the bullshit will continue until the TTFF mafia regime is disbanded.
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Fenwick for National coach. I've been saying that a while now even b4 beenhakker but my emails to "TTFF Media Officer" have all failed to garner a response. Players have been suggested and still not even a trial. Our set up is s*** and Latas WILL fail. He should be a youth coach and Fenwick 4 d seniors. Never gna happen though. TOUGH!!
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How much times Jabloteh win the CFU club championship or the Concacaf Champions League, or even ?
We know they can compete for the local titles, but vs outside competition, how have they fared? Is the level of success due to players? Coaching?
What other accolades this fella have? What titles he lead Portsmouth to? Northampton town? Where do we have proof of his superior international-level coaching skills?
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How much times Jabloteh win the CFU club championship or the Concacaf Champions League, or even ?
We know they can compete for the local titles, but vs outside competition, how have they fared? Is the level of success due to players? Coaching?
What other accolades this fella have? What titles he lead Portsmouth to? Northampton town? Where do we have proof of his superior international-level coaching skills?
Does it matter? If we could give Latas the job, and he have more coaching experience than him, why can't we give it to him?
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How much times Jabloteh win the CFU club championship or the Concacaf Champions League, or even ?
We know they can compete for the local titles, but vs outside competition, how have they fared? Is the level of success due to players? Coaching?
What other accolades this fella have? What titles he lead Portsmouth to? Northampton town? Where do we have proof of his superior international-level coaching skills?
Fella if nothing else the man have a better understanding of what needs to be done.
And fuh anybody who feel he shouldn't talk because he never accepted the position when offered consider this: Fenwick knows what he wants to do and has his own vision. Based on the personality and approach he was right not to accept considering he would have ended up abandoning the position out of frustration with Jack and TTFF. I don't see them giving him the kind of respect they gave Leo so what really would be the use? Does that mean he shouldn't comment? IMO he damn right to withdraw he players from dem substandard sessions Latapy runnin.
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Fenwick - Technical Director
Latas - Natl Men coach.
Flex/Fuentes - media officers
R Braithwaite (manager)
Medical Staff - Terrence Babwah (Team Doctor), Zeph Nicholas (Sports Therapist), Wayne Lawson (Physical Trainer), Oba Gulston (Physiotherapist)
Equipment Staff - Ikin Williams (Equipment Manager), Esmond O'Brien (Assistant)
Board of Directors
L Phillips (COO)
A Corneal(consultant)
E Cummings (consultant)
D Yorke (consultant)
S Hart (consultant)
S Hislop (Player Union Rep)
K Nunez-Tesheira (consultant)
G Hunt (consultant)
J Warner (consultant)
D Skeene (consultant)
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Face it man no Trini is good enough to take the job of TT football coach,FOREIGN PLEASE.
Ah feel Calder Hart could run for this position....
If Calder Hart is foreign then give the man a chance but as far as I am concerned Latapy or no other Trini is qualified to do that job,our people dont have a clue.Soca,sex,party and Carnival we can teach but we cyah coach nobody how to play football to win.
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this is one of the only times i agree with fenwick for pulling out his players, hes right in everything that has been said. even if hes not the man for the job, we need someone who is experience and knows intl football from a coaching perspective.
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:applause: :flamethrower:
Fenwick is 10000% correct once again. I would love to see him as national coach. The regime needs to change.
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All you guys who asking for Fenwick to coach, still not looking at the bigger picture. Why would Fenwick want to coach under this current TTFF admin? I tell all yuh there is one caveat in the TT national coaching job. If the special advisor was to offer any one of all yuh the job, what it is you all will be asking for that latas ain't ask for.
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Terry is a boss....should have been given the job post Wim...unfortunately he will never get it unless Yorke ask Jack...so Terry best bet is to become tight with Dwighty
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I give Fenwick my full support in all of his comments. From strike squad to soca warriors to world cup to nothing. We have not learned a damn thing from all these experiences. I agree in appointing Yorke and Latas but neither have any real achievemnets in the coaching area and we are sorely lacking in the methods of training. Football training/coaching is a science that must be studied and practiced by qualified individuals when it comes to international representation
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at the end of the day football is played on the pitch is 11 v 11 one ball and two goal post.
That is why we play the game
whether or not grenada have a pro league is irrelevant.
people just like to point at this and that as to why this team should beat this team
but at the end of the day you have to play on the field the pedegree of the players and leagues and all that dont matter if on the field you do not perform.
Fenwick like to hear himself talk
This big hoorah is just a smoke screen so he can omit the Jabloteh players from practice and give his squad the best chance to win the pro league
nothing wrong with that. but the National team will have to go on with who is available.
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Plenty sense yuh talkin' KND. Doh take on Fenwick too seriously. He is reading this board and understands divide and rule very well like a classic polarizing politician
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at the end of the day football is played on the pitch is 11 v 11 one ball and two goal post.
That is why we play the game
whether or not grenada have a pro league is irrelevant.
people just like to point at this and that as to why this team should beat this team
but at the end of the day you have to play on the field the pedegree of the players and leagues and all that dont matter if on the field you do not perform.
Fenwick like to hear himself talk
This big hoorah is just a smoke screen so he can omit the Jabloteh players from practice and give his squad the best chance to win the pro league
nothing wrong with that. but the National team will have to go on with who is available.
point boy
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at the end of the day football is played on the pitch is 11 v 11 one ball and two goal post.
That is why we play the game
whether or not grenada have a pro league is irrelevant.
people just like to point at this and that as to why this team should beat this team
but at the end of the day you have to play on the field the pedegree of the players and leagues and all that dont matter if on the field you do not perform.
Fenwick like to hear himself talk
This big hoorah is just a smoke screen so he can omit the Jabloteh players from practice and give his squad the best chance to win the pro league
nothing wrong with that. but the National team will have to go on with who is available.
point boy
You KND and dreamer need glasses, as well as ah course in english!! i believe is you and not fenwick who likes tuh hear themselves, since the point of the topic evaded your basic capacity to understand the english language!
fenwick was not disturbed by the fact we lost to grenada, but rather, the poor state of our football, and with all that we have @ our disposal, we should be so far ahead of all our caribbean rivals and not on par.
with what we've been afforded with, TNT football should be miles and miles ahead and apart from our caribbean neighbors that we should be competing with the worlds best, or @ least stronger competition. we have facilities, we have money, we have ah pro league, we have wold class players, so what's the problem?,
we have players who are or were on par with the worlds best! so why are we still underachieving? that was the premise of man's article, that was his point! not to malign grenada or our players, but management! BC the first thing he said was, " no disrespect to grenada" but ah guess you are too opinionated tuh catch that?
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so YOU didn't know that, until Fenwick say it ? or is a case of now Fenwick say it, it finally official ? Or is it a case of is the 1st time anybody important say it ? No guy, nobody doh need glasses to see we need ah football body, but shim everybody dun know that...the majority here crying that for years....the point I got from KND post, is Fenwick voicing it now, don't mean it fix,edit: he just bumping he gums, an covering he tail for pulling he boys.....btw, I do need glasses, your calling it, doh make meh eyes fix or even possible for me to see all of ah sudden, ...oh well, as usual you may not follow what I say, cause I need ah voice too ;D
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so YOU didn't know that, until Fenwick say it ? or is a case of now Fenwick say it, it finally official ? Or is it a case of is the 1st time anybody important say it ? No guy, nobody doh need glasses to see we need ah football body, but shim everybody dun know that...the majority here crying that for years....the point I got from KND post, is Fenwick voicing it now, don't mean it fix,edit: he just bumping he gums, an covering he tail for pulling he boys.....btw, I do need glasses, your calling it, doh make meh eyes fix or even possible for me to see all of ah sudden, ...oh well, as usual you may not follow what I say, cause I need ah voice too ;D
Breds, it's clear that KND was offended with the comments, which lead him to say "it's irrelevant if grenada has ah pro league or not" then he went on to talk some simple talk about player pedigree, while all the time missing the point of the post, then you went on to agree by saying "point boy", when the fella didn't really have ah point after all.
when ah man could say that 11 vs 11 anything could happen, iz just pure unadulterated slop!! we all know any team could beat any team on any given day, but when the stakes are high, those odds seem to diminish. it's like saying newzeland could beat holland in ah WC final.
or W connection could beat barcelona in the world club finals is just ludicrous! class and pedigree iz what fenwick talking bout in ah nut shell! and we should be above and beyond losing to any caribbean competition, and i happen to agree. as for the jablo thing and pulling his players, i happened to agree also! especially when the coaches eh training his players better than him.
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ok...and U miss the point of my post,..no big thing.
.nb: I don't think anyone denying Fenwick's statement(edit: or actions) however, if yuh willin to compare a practice game between a T&T U23 vs a Grenada throw together senior team,as equivalent in importance/stakes to a WC game between NZ & Holland or WConn vs Barca club Championship....I dun...btw in both those games, I would probably lose my bets on both NZ & WC....buh that is only because I just think I know football..knowing fully well, if both lorse, is not the end of the world, but if they win, it still doh change, who is the Big championship team.....but ah wonder why they would even bother to play them games at all, if everybody dun know who go win..
add: as an after thought, my bad, I should have hilited this way
This big hoorah is just a smoke screen so he can omit the Jabloteh players from practice and give his squad the best chance to win the pro league
nothing wrong with that. but the National team will have to go on with who is available.
point boy
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Maxg you and KND talking ah pack ah ass... no offense.
You call de game ah "practice game between a T&T U23 vs a Grenada throw together senior team" yet we struggle to tie this "throw together" squad. That is ah crying shame. What next... we go celebrate tying ah English pub-league team? Regardless the seriousness of the game we should be using team like dat like traffic cones.. that is Fenwick point.
As for his motives, Fenwick has always been his own man and has always been a plain talker. If he want tuh pull he players who go stop him? Why he have to make cockamamie excuse juss tuh pull dem? He never had tuh make excuse before is now he go come making excuse? Allyuh need tuh think more before allyuh talk man.
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The more i hear of this man, the more I feel like this man should be involved in our national team program.
saddis finally! something we see eye to eye on! :beermug:
sad truth is he will never get a look in to advise assist or manage the national side
and if he did, given our culture and fren frenism he would be backstabbed, undermined, shortchanged and just down right unsupported
and you know why? cus "he not trini" he doh understand d style (which needs a professional kick in the nuts) he only know english longball, etc etc a set of shite
fact is we have the tallent right here we lack the structure and accountability
we lack discipline
we lack professionalism
we are afraid of the truth, and that my friend is a sad fact about trinis
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The more i hear of this man, the more I feel like this man should be involved in our national team program.
saddis finally! something we see eye to eye on! :beermug:
sad truth is he will never get a look in to advise assist or manage the national side
and if he did, given our culture and fren frenism he would be backstabbed, undermined, shortchanged and just down right unsupported
and you know why? cus "he not trini" he doh understand d style (which needs a professional kick in the nuts) he only know english longball, etc etc a set of shite
fact is we have the tallent right here we lack the structure and accountability
we lack discipline
we lack professionalism
we are afraid of the truth, and that my friend is a sad fact about trinis
As long as jackula and he baby bats continue runnin' T&T Football, all dem ting yuh say dey is fart in de breeze. We all know what T&T Football needs but we will never get it. I like Fenwick's outspokenness. Dat is all I know 'bout de man.
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Maxg you and KND talking ah pack ah ass... no offense.
You call de game ah "practice game between a T&T U23 vs a Grenada throw together senior team" yet we struggle to tie this "throw together" squad. That is ah crying shame. What next... we go celebrate tying ah English pub-league team? Regardless the seriousness of the game we should be using team like dat like traffic cones.. that is Fenwick point.
As for his motives, Fenwick has always been his own man and has always been a plain talker. If he want tuh pull he players who go stop him? Why he have to make cockamamie excuse juss tuh pull dem? He never had tuh make excuse before is now he go come making excuse? Allyuh need tuh think more before allyuh talk man.
no offense taken...won't be the 1st time ah talk assness or doh think before ah talk, won't be the last...as long as ah doh hurt/diss nobody, is not so bad....as much as ah think Fenwick (and a few Pro league coaches) should be part of the program, no-one, but Fenwick & Jack can make it happen, and the way Fenwick going, it ain't go happen
check this true story...ah in tryouts these days, going on to chose div.2 girls to div 5.....yes, ah get rope in again,coaching this lil-town, they challenge meh to get dem to div.1,didn't know dey lorse all dey last yr div.1 players to other teams, yet dem say, dey will return if the club playing div.1....when ah hit the tryout an see what's left, as say, well ah lorse this one....so eventually ,ah seperate them in 4 teams, with all who think they want to play div.2 on 1 team..then ah tell the div2 prospects quietly, they have to play 2 touch, plus them have to get in the area to score, no goalies, 2 goal or 5 minutes come orf, half field - small goal stuff nah...I didn't give the other teams instructions, and tell the different div coaches handle ah group.......dem div2 prospects band-up pretty good,good intensity, full defense, lottsa team play when dey lorse the ball, and attempts to counter, although they get beaten orf everytime, except the last 10 minutes....and dey was vex to play it, but every shift they wukking just as hard....what happen, the 3rd div coach, come over to me, and say, "Je pense que vous avez le plus mauvais du sort"...ah say "what, they doing great"...he watch meh...Later, ah find out he went over an tell the director, he doh think ah know dat much and ah don't speak French.....correct on both counts...ah laugh, next session ah tell the girls same thing, and sure nuff they get beat orf everytime..the F-inman come over, "Your girls can't even keep the ball", ah say, "True, but they even better than yesterday, they improving"...he say, "don't at the last minute come and take some of my best girls and say U need dem",ah say, but were'nt these your girls last year, he then mumble someting, sound like "maudit tabernac" and walk orf...ah say, shim, like ah take this man prestige wuk,cause we not getting pay for this...3rd & last tryout is tomorrow...I have to chose who ah taking...ah want to joke an say, ah decide to chose all the girls from Div3 to play div 2, buh ah feel somebody go shoot meh...anyway, tomorrow, everybody will be playing free and goalies....I will see how things unfold...maybe they might still lorse, but bet they will at least individually play better, would they keep up the same team work, don't know, but I hope they do...plus ah spoke up for 2 girls from the div4 team already..
ah would like to say something smart like, div1=foreign, div2-5=local, but that won't be the point of this story...ah not even sure what the point is, ah just had to tell somebody
add: ah know the point..is..who not part of the team,on the sideline,in practice, doh know wha the f**k going on ,on the field
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The more i hear of this man, the more I feel like this man should be involved in our national team program.
saddis finally! something we see eye to eye on! :beermug:
sad truth is he will never get a look in to advise assist or manage the national side
and if he did, given our culture and fren frenism he would be backstabbed, undermined, shortchanged and just down right unsupported
and you know why? cus "he not trini" he doh understand d style (which needs a professional kick in the nuts) he only know english longball, etc etc a set of shite
fact is we have the tallent right here we lack the structure and accountability
we lack discipline
we lack professionalism
we are afraid of the truth, and that my friend is a sad fact about trinis
As long as jackula and he baby bats continue runnin' T&T Football, all dem ting yuh say dey is fart in de breeze. We all know what T&T Football needs but we will never get it. I like Fenwick's outspokenness. Dat is all I know 'bout de man.
Chow you hit the nail right on the head.
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add: ah know the point..is..who not part of the team,on the sideline,in practice, doh know wha the f**k going on ,on the field
Often... but not always. Even so... Fenwick may not know the ins-and outs of everything that going on, but he seems to at least know what should be going on. Latapy isn't being given the tools to succeed and when he fails all blame will be on him. I don't know how in saying that Fenwick "only bumping he gums".
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add: ah know the point..is..who not part of the team,on the sideline,in practice, doh know wha the f**k going on ,on the field
Often... but not always. Even so... Fenwick may not know the ins-and outs of everything that going on, but he seems to at least know what should be going on. Latapy isn't being given the tools to succeed and when he fails all blame will be on him. I don't know how in saying that Fenwick "only bumping he gums".
because he clearly state he refuse (3 or so times) to partake in doing something to help the situation, only make it clear, he will be adding to Latas problems...for a short while
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because he clearly state he refuse (3 or so times) to partake in doing something to help the situation, only make it clear, he will be adding to Latas problems...for a short while
How de ass him signing on to encourage de bullshit under Jack was going to help the situation? All he woulda be doing was peeing into de effin wind and wasting he time. Jack done come out and say he money not jumping up no more... so Fenwick supposed tuh do what, co coach ah team as a puppet manager with no assurance that he would get the type of support he needs or even get a salary for his efforts? That make any kinda sense to you?
Besides, none ah we know the context in which his statements were made... the way allyuh talking is like he run down by de Express and siddung in de lobby waiting fuh somebody to come interview him.
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because he clearly state he refuse (3 or so times) to partake in doing something to help the situation, only make it clear, he will be adding to Latas problems...for a short while
How de ass him signing on to encourage de bullshit under Jack was going to help the situation? All he woulda be doing was peeing into de effin wind and wasting he time. Jack done come out and say he money not jumping up no more... so Fenwick supposed tuh do what, co coach ah team as a puppet manager with no assurance that he would get the type of support he needs or even get a salary for his efforts? That make any kinda sense to you?
Besides, none ah we know the context in which his statements were made... the way allyuh talking is like he run down by de Express and siddung in de lobby waiting fuh somebody to come interview him.
no it don't, but " no thanks, and no comment", would have worked just as well....but he had to say what he say, cause he wanted ppl support in his ultimate actions. not as a means of helping the situation, cause it almost can't be helped...but where I agreed with KND, "the National program has to go on"...it won't stop because Fenwick call a spade ah spade, or Jack lose he jacket, or Latas, Vranes doing tata or doing the best they can, with what little support they have.... so why point out their crapiness, when U self know dey cyah do it any other way....because, the motive may not(i cyah say for sure) to improve Natl success, but personal....nothing wrong with that, buh it really not helping Latas no how...... Had he said ahem,"and I add, I will make myself available for consult ir help as much as I can, within my limits as Jab coach", I would say, he wha help, but they doh wha he...but he say,Latas and them cyah coach, the organization is tata, the boys regressing Intl, I pulling my boys....who all dem boys getting the most coaching from ? Latas ?
Dah's like the child messing up in school(gettin on rango), and blaming the teachers alone, or the parents alone, or the Principal, or even the child, or the Police for getting involve...I more feel, when ah think lilbit, is everybody problem, and is not who to blame, but how we go fix that
Knd,me, you, Fenwick Jack, whoever, call say what we want, we have to act together, for our common success to be achieved....buh dah's all meh soapbox talk...all ah we have we soapbox, only ah few have the power to get off it and do what they say, make what they say happen
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MaxG, yuh seem to have at least some coaching education. U are wasting yuh time arguing with some of these guys. What has Fenwick proposed to change anything? He has said all the things everybody else has been saying. De only difference is he has experience as a player at de highest level and some limited coaching experience if yuh talking bout high professional levels. His critisism of Latapy's sessions is (while entitled to his opinion) totally unnecessary. He sorta associated it with his critique of de entire program, but what is his real point and purpose? Has he ever coached a national team anywhere? Has he overseen a football administration in a 3rd world country? Yes, he makes sensible points that have earned him seemingly great support from some of our posters just by his words, but besides positioning himself as a tough, no nonsense foreigner, de only thing he has added really is a serious bashing of Latapy's coaching and its effect on his players. If we had money to hire a foreigner, why should we hire Fenwick? I repeat what has he done as a big coach? We see Jack not putting out de money, so why we allowing this cacahole to disrupt de lil amateur program Latas and dem running? On a next thread somebody say he left Jabloteh cause dey wasn't paying him and still owe him money. Allyuh really think de only reason he buzzing round Trini again and not getting a fancy contract somewhere else is because he love some trini woman and we beaches? Ha lawd
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Fantastic,what i want to say here is,yes,Fenwick saying the same things everybody have been saying for years but what has it done for our Football,are we moving in the right direction?are we where we should or think we should be as a Football nation?Trini good at talking and not acting,we don't even listen to ourselves,if a foreigner comes home and say the same thing we does react as though is something new,Fenwick in T&T too long so no one has respect for him,every Tom Dick and Harry can talk to him how they want now,if he was to be given the NT job he should have been given it a long time ago before all this old talk start,it hard for anybody coaching our NT,it's too much work and not enough time to do so,you don't learn the game in training sessions,these guys have to consistently play games at a high level against quality players.
I think we going too far with the woman and beach thing lets stick to what the man is saying about our Football,when Alvin say it we does say he talking and his son doing the same shit,when Gally say it we does say he have tabanca,when Vidale say it we does say he old he eh know what he talking about, i "Coops" does say my piece on here and get cuss,nobody can talk with any authority on our Football and get some kind of respect because we going to bring them down.Remember our Football not paying,people involve in our Football for different reasons,even the players,that's why they don't have their heart in it,it's sad to say these things but think about it,if all we can do is talk then lets just talk.
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Here is what most of alyuh missing, how many players Fenwick have in the National program compared to other clubs? In the past how many players been called up from Fenwicks' team?
Forget about he international experience look at what he doing home, now. Developing players, that features consistenly in the National program. He don't need to make excuses to pull he players, cause according to Latapy the Training is not "National training" and players and not selected to a national team. Therefore clubs do not have to allow their players to attend. Again count how many players he have attending that practice twice a week.
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Well let him get paid by Jabloteh, continue developing these players and ALSO be national coach then. If he know so much and care so much about de program, he should be very willing to volunteer his services instead of enhancing de bachanal that already going on in we football by publicly disrespecting de named head coach of yuh country. He wasn't content to say de whole situation is a mess......he had to talk bout de man drills and unproductive sessions. How that helping?
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Well let him get paid by Jabloteh, continue developing these players and ALSO be national coach then. If he know so much and care so much about de program, he should be very willing to volunteer his services instead of enhancing de bachanal that already going on in we football by publicly disrespecting de named head coach of yuh country. He wasn't content to say de whole situation is a mess......he had to talk bout de man drills and unproductive sessions. How that helping?
Wisdom :beermug:
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but Lincoln Phillip...is not saying or doing anything about what is realling happen with Trinibago football and it's a damn shame...i agree with Fenwick...its true...our football right now ...Lata or not...other big time coach or not....our football program suck....we not going anywhere unless some major change happen with our ttff......and the funny thing about it ...these guys on the top seeing what is going on and not doing anything about it ....but went that time come they looking for a good outcome...ah tell yuh
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De man clout up Cyrano Glen as he comin off de field like if he is a little boy.
Me eh care who is coach......Fenwick woulda take some licks there and then
You eh embarassin me like dat, especially in front a people without colleckin a serious buss head
I cyah believe wha I see dey in trute. Who de ass dis man tink he is in trute?
Dey should kick he MC out de forkane country! >:(
And dis is who allyuh want to be we national team coach? ::)
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It didn't look too good, yuh right Palos.
http://www.cbeanmedia.org/TV6NEWS_F4V/Links/jabloteh_in_brawl_with_river_plate_afer_1-0_victory_2010_04_19.htm
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dat sentence jump out in de article for me....even more than the guard gun shot
whodemodderkonthetinkheisatall?
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Shocking! Amazing Glen eh hit him a butt and two kick.
On another note: the state of the stadium pitch looked appalling. How can you ever
market a product under those conditions.
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Dais ah tough one as two wrongs doh make a right.....Glen was an ass to pelt that cuff at dat player however Fenwick in his anger should not have rest that calpet on de man...whatever point he could have made was totally lost... but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....
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Dais ah tough one as two wrongs doh make a right.....Glen was an ass to pelt that cuff at dat player however Fenwick in his anger should not have rest that calpet on de man...whatever point he could have made was totally lost... but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....
ah know somebody did have to throw a lil word for we neighbor an dem ;D
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i don't see whats the big deal.. I see Sevilla coach ring up Luis Fabiano face on the sidelines from an identical incident.. and he had to take that and cool because he know he do real shit...
so if Luis Fabiano could get that, then who the hell is Cyrano Glen?
allyuh want to encourage indiscipline? steups
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Shocking! Amazing Glen eh hit him a butt and two kick.
On another note: the state of the stadium pitch looked appalling. How can you ever
market a product under those conditions.
I made the same observation re: the pitch but as it was mentioned to me, T&T been goin through a serious drought this year and WASA ban de waterin of grass so no way dem was goin and water a sports facility.
Given that water was a scarce commodity for such a prolonged period, it's understandable that the pitch was in that condition. To me anyways
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Take ah tap in yuh stupid arse. :angel: You winning stay PROFESSIONAL. You do that against ah bigger team and jabloteh chances of winning down the drain. Men have to learn to keep they head. Tap him up Coach. :devil:
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wah's de scene ?? ent Sir Alex pelt ah shoes at David" The world's most famous footballer " Beckham ? Dat eh make de kinda news it shoudda ....and Dwight nearly get he foot beak from Souness , he coach . It must be ah kinda coach liscence ...like poetic liscence ....where ah coach could tap you up because he in charge ah de team ...Dais why I probably give up football early !
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Shocking! Amazing Glen eh hit him a butt and two kick.
On another note: the state of the stadium pitch looked appalling. How can you ever
market a product under those conditions.
I made the same observation re: the pitch but as it was mentioned to me, T&T been goin through a serious drought this year and WASA ban de waterin of grass so no way dem was goin and water a sports facility.
Given that water was a scarce commodity for such a prolonged period, it's understandable that the pitch was in that condition. To me anyways
Nah palos dey spay something on de field ...I does be there 3 times a week ....is something they sprayed around the perimeter that burn up de grass ...the middle of de field is green ...before it was all green and den one day yuh see signis of spraying ...
dey mus be fire de gardener and tell him in advance ..so he leave ah reminder of how it was
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Dais ah tough one as two wrongs doh make a right.....Glen was an ass to pelt that cuff at dat player however Fenwick in his anger should not have rest that calpet on de man...whatever point he could have made was totally lost... but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....
I agree with yuh on the first part but the second part about we looking like Jamaicans is nonsense. What they suppose to do, stand up and take ah cutt arse?
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Shocking! Amazing Glen eh hit him a butt and two kick.
On another note: the state of the stadium pitch looked appalling. How can you ever
market a product under those conditions.
I made the same observation re: the pitch but as it was mentioned to me, T&T been goin through a serious drought this year and WASA ban de waterin of grass so no way dem was goin and water a sports facility.
Given that water was a scarce commodity for such a prolonged period, it's understandable that the pitch was in that condition. To me anyways
Yeah real pressure right now... the whole northern range bun down... and all grass fields hard hard and dry... serious drought... that field looking good considering
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Dais ah tough one as two wrongs doh make a right.....Glen was an ass to pelt that cuff at dat player however Fenwick in his anger should not have rest that calpet on de man...whatever point he could have made was totally lost... but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....
I agree with yuh on the first part but the second part about we looking like Jamaicans is nonsense. What they suppose to do, stand up and take ah cutt arse?
But dais where even more discipline comes in....you have to walk to be able to walk away from that...when the fines and the bans come down they are usually levied on everyone who participated ....
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Glen reacted with a physical action in a moment of anger. Fenwick (the coach) action was also physical in a moment of anger. How could that be right? Fenwick reaction is no different from Glen's! So all Glen learned is that its ok to react physically when angered. IMHO
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Dais ah tough one as two wrongs doh make a right.....Glen was an ass to pelt that cuff at dat player however Fenwick in his anger should not have rest that calpet on de man...whatever point he could have made was totally lost... but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....
but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....
This why I said many time that many Trinis suffer from an inferiority complex. What does JA has to do with this brawl. The only thing JA about this incident is the ref. And he did a good job. Look them PR would ah never attack JA players in JA yard. The TT players were trying to avoid the fight. And I thought it probably had to do with Cyrano Glen getting in confrontation with Fenwick. So them guys tried to be peacemakers. But when they see the PR wanted to carry on, they started bussin' cuff in they arse. What you want them men to do? Take licks from bunch of losers. That is the normal modus operandi of SOME(not all) latino teams. I am notspreading a broad brush against Hispanics. I have witness this behaviour in the local Salvadorans/Hondurans leagues in DC/VA/MD.
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Dais ah tough one as two wrongs doh make a right.....Glen was an ass to pelt that cuff at dat player however Fenwick in his anger should not have rest that calpet on de man...whatever point he could have made was totally lost... but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....
but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....
This why I said many time that many Trinis suffer from an inferiority complex. What does JA has to do with this brawl. The only thing JA about this incident is the ref. And he did a good job. Look them PR would ah never attack JA players in JA yard. The TT players were trying to avoid the fight. And I thought it probably had to do with Cyrano Glen getting in confrontation with Fenwick. So them guys tried to be peacemakers. But when they see the PR wanted to carry on, they started bussin' cuff in they arse. What you want them men to do? Take licks from bunch of losers. That is the normal modus operandi of SOME(not all) latino teams. I am notspreading a broad brush against Hispanics. I have witness this behaviour in the local Salvadorans/Hondurans leagues in DC/VA/MD.
Talk about inferiority complex....wow..
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Dais ah tough one as two wrongs doh make a right.....Glen was an ass to pelt that cuff at dat player however Fenwick in his anger should not have rest that calpet on de man...whatever point he could have made was totally lost... but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....
but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....
This why I said many time that many Trinis suffer from an inferiority complex. What does JA has to do with this brawl. The only thing JA about this incident is the ref. And he did a good job. Look them PR would ah never attack JA players in JA yard. The TT players were trying to avoid the fight. And I thought it probably had to do with Cyrano Glen getting in confrontation with Fenwick. So them guys tried to be peacemakers. But when they see the PR wanted to carry on, they started bussin' cuff in they arse. What you want them men to do? Take licks from bunch of losers. That is the normal modus operandi of SOME(not all) latino teams. I am notspreading a broad brush against Hispanics. I have witness this behaviour in the local Salvadorans/Hondurans leagues in DC/VA/MD.
Talk about inferiority complex....wow..
Look MEP,
If them PR had gone in any other country they would ah get a cut arse. JA are not the only people who would have reacted that way. Wrong is wrong. Them PR wrong, Jabloteh should not be a rough up team but they should not be a wimp team either.
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Fenwick action is nothing out of the norm for the level of the PFL. You see i all the time with the pseudo-professesional athletes in college sports and in some pro managers.
Some managers style is to be uber disciplianarian and physical with their players. Some players respond positively to it, most don't. It look like Glen had to think twice before letting it pass. The BIG problem for Fenwick is that, based on the brawl and the fact that he could not control his team, it is clearly not working.
Crazy scene all around. Including the security personnel who thought that letting off a shot was a good idea for calming things down. Them men watching too much western.
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i don't see whats the big deal.. I see Sevilla coach ring up Luis Fabiano face on the sidelines from an identical incident.. and he had to take that and cool because he know he do real shit...
so if Luis Fabiano could get that, then who the hell is Cyrano Glen?
allyuh want to encourage indiscipline? steups
The era and times these guys playing in it's a lot of things they have to take don't matter how big they think they are,once you under any kind of contract there are a lot at stake because is your career you playing with,some still choose to take situations and deal with it personally knowing there will be consequences,as a player everything you do on and off the field affects the team/club that's why it's so important to think before you act,i don't think Fenwick was right to hit anybody but i understand as a disciplinarian how he felt at the spur of the moment.
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De man clout up Cyrano Glen as he comin off de field like if he is a little boy.
Me eh care who is coach......Fenwick woulda take some licks there and then
You eh embarassin me like dat, especially in front a people without colleckin a serious buss head
I cyah believe wha I see dey in trute. Who de ass dis man tink he is in trute?
Dey should kick he MC out de forkane country! >:(
And dis is who allyuh want to be we national team coach? ::)
When I saw it, the first thing I said to myself is "WTH?"
After watching it over and over, I cannot say I would have accepted that. My initial reaction might have been to retaliate?
However, I have seen coaches hit players many times at HIGHER levels for the exact same reason (silly red cards). I also remember watching a EPL game and a player got sent off for a dumb retaliation. The captain ran up to him and clout the red carded player (I will try to find the highlight on Youtube).
Does that mean that they are right? Absolutely NOT. I am just saying these things happen all the time. Maybe the 1st time you saw it?
I was shocked but not surprised. I myself don't know how I would have reacted. Maybe after in the locker room? I don't know?
It is really something to think about.
Kingman
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I haven't seen the clip but if that is the case that is highly unacceptable truly unprofessional conduct especially by a coach.
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I haven't seen the clip but if that is the case that is highly unacceptable truly unprofessional conduct especially by a coach.
All yuh 4get he elbow d Brazilian 4 d world 2 c what is a lil clout.
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I saw de video. As I said before Fenwick is too toxic, polarizing and selfish for national football.
Dah was an understatement actually. So all those who have no self respect and civic pride and want to join the chorus genuflecting to this guy's every utterance, can go ahead. Yes, his fighting spirit is infectious and generally good for the tribal concerns of club football but he has some other dangerous stuff in his closet that we eh tolerating in this country that supposedly has celebrated independence.
Recommendations:
1. Allow him to apologize and move on.
2. Let him stay at Jabloteh and continue to do a good job, with some oversight protection of the players
3. Request FPATT to make a no-nonsense statement about where we draw the line in the code of conduct of coaches (local and foreign) with our local players. Clayton Morris and Shaka are you hearing? Does FPATT still exist btw? Have some friggin' stones and say something man.
4. Keep Fenwick's psychotic hands off the national team.
Good thread title by palos btw.
Yeah.
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Dais ah tough one as two wrongs doh make a right.....Glen was an ass to pelt that cuff at dat player however Fenwick in his anger should not have rest that calpet on de man...whatever point he could have made was totally lost... but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....
because i know i have class i wont even respond to your low life comment, and well respected and intelligent trinis already clarified it. watching this video i am outrage as any other trini with these shit Spanish people. when some one attack you in your own country you cannot let them leave without facing the consequences, and talk about discipline when you did not start it. the guys are even running and they still chasing them. the Mexican youngsters try it in Jamaica before and got f*CKUP. CHECK THIS VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDb-erQmGnY
there national team also tried it the last time the lose in Kingston, but most of our players are 6 foot and over so the little Mexicans got rolled over. its a pitty it was not a match against Tivali. i hope CFU ban them for life.
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This reminds me of the "Malace in the Palace". This behavior is highly unacceptable!!!! By Glen, Fenwick and all other players involved. Let's see how serious our league is in putting out and maintaining a professional image and if they really want to be taken seriously by FIFA and other investors. I think Dexter Skeene or who ever is in charge needs to review the tapes and discipline all our players involved including the coach, whether it be fines, suspensions, etc. because this cannot be tolerated no matter who's right or wrong. He need to take a Roger Goodell stance and lay the hammer down because as a fellow Trinidadian, that is embarassing to watch and is a disgrace to the sport. As a professional or even as a sportsman for the matter you have to learn to keep your emotions in check (easier said than done) and let the officials to their job, if they don't file a protest to the committee but that got way out of hand IMO.
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There is no doubt that Fenwick was out of line. But that happens frequently between coaches and players. I do think that Fenwick should be disciplined by the league for that and I respect Cyrano Glen for not retaliating.
On the second story: The Puerto Ricans are lucky that this is not Jamaica. The Local players were attacked and had to defend themselves. Look at the video and you would see the local players backing away, some ruling away and being chased by the River Plate players. That team should be disciplined by FIFA. That is uncalled for. Simply a bunch of hooligans. Imagine trying that in a foreign country. Thank God for disciplined, respectful Trinidadians.
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And Fergie pelt Bechham with a football boots and buss he face, whats new. it was just done in public, them thing does go on all the time. just my opinion. it may not be right, but it does happen
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Glenn and the red card guys already punished. Fenwick will have to discuss the situation with Glenn among the Jabloteh fraternity.
As for the brawl, our players were defending themselves. Those who claim our guys must be sanctioned, did not look at the tape. Our guys were trying to avoid the fight until they realized that the PR were too damn bone-headed and retaliated. We must commended our guys for avoiding the fight in the beginning, but jeez, there so much you can take.
Next time the PFL should hire police with shield and bootoo. Then everybody go say is over-kill.
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Wait what Jabloteh players getting blame for? Alyuh blind or what? The Jab players retereating and the PR players coming after them. They cyah turn they back and collect ah drop kick to the back. The last second you see a Jab player running from the PR and dem and they chasing the man like he tief something. I eh see Jab player do nothing wrong (except for Glen).
What alyuh watching.
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Wait what Jabloteh players getting blame for? Alyuh blind or what? The Jab players retereating and the PR players coming after them. They cyah turn they back and collect ah drop kick to the back. The last second you see a Jab player running from the PR and dem and they chasing the man like he tief something. I eh see Jab player do nothing wrong (except for Glen).
What alyuh watching.
I eh go lie, if this was ah team from east dry river and dem spanish byoi did pull something like that, they woulda get ah royal beaten and possibly, some body would've been killed!!!!
look's like is ah setta sissy players and supporters in jabloteh?? if that was belmont or EDR supporters, some body would ded from dat river plate team.
i remember in the eighties ah chilean team pull dat very same stunt and get the blow out of ah lifetime. spanish take off runnin up western main raod , down tragarette road, up towards the savannah not knowing weh the fack they was going!! it was ah royal beat down.
marvin oliver and dem real let meh down! they make we look weak for crying out loud! runnin from ah bunch ah miggits. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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It didn't look too good, yuh right Palos.
http://www.cbeanmedia.org/TV6NEWS_F4V/Links/jabloteh_in_brawl_with_river_plate_afer_1-0_victory_2010_04_19.htm
We can give the Jabs players credit. For the most part they avoided getting into the altercation. River Plate knew they had already lost and were trying to poison things for Jabs. Some of you know that post-match behavior on the field can still cause a player to get a red card. Just look at what happened to Dwight Yorke in the El Salvador game.
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Wait what Jabloteh players getting blame for? Alyuh blind or what? The Jab players retereating and the PR players coming after them. They cyah turn they back and collect ah drop kick to the back. The last second you see a Jab player running from the PR and dem and they chasing the man like he tief something. I eh see Jab player do nothing wrong (except for Glen).
What alyuh watching.
Some people just a little dotish.
I admired the self control on the part of the Jab players.
Weren't they in a major brawl (Fenwick in it again) a few years back with W Connection. That fracas make this look like child's play.
By controlling themselves, they opened the door for their opponents to get even more red cards.
No we are not J'cans and perhaps this is why River Plate play brave so. However, there's a time to fight and a time to use your head.
I wouldn't a mind seeing R Plate get clout up doh ;D
VB
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After watching it again, the ref did his job in issuing the red cards but it's hard for me to tell who's at fault or why the whole brawl started after the match because it looked like both teams were exchanging words and a River Plate player attacker our keeper, then de shit get out of hand or maybe I'm really blind. I know all about standing up for your players and defending your team but when things goes to the extreme and gun shot firing by police and shit something must be done by our league administration.
Just last August in a college football game, in fact the opening game for Oregon, at the end of the game a player from the other team taunted the Oregon player during an exchange of words. That lead to the Oregon player to retaliate and punch the player, now eventhough the Oregon guy didn't start it he got banned for the entire season my his institution. However he showed remorse, appoliged by stating it wasn't called for and still showed committment by attending practice sessions and going to class. Afterwards they admitted him back on the team to play mid way through the season and he was a senior with high draft potential for the NFL. Now his lack of controlling if temper/emotions might've cost him millions since his stock might've dropped from lack of playing time who knows.
It's hard for me to sit and type about the situation when I wasn't involved in the heat of the moment and I know it is almost impossible to take a jump kick from an opposing player but things escalated to that extreme I still believe the league or Jabloteh have to make a stand and show that they do not tolerate this type of behavior from their players. If the River Plate team have any sort of expectations in regards to conduct from their players, they should do the same!
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I saw de video. As I said before Fenwick is too toxic, polarizing and selfish for national football.
Dah was an understatement actually. So all those who have no self respect and civic pride and want to join the chorus genuflecting to this guy's every utterance, can go ahead.
So let mih see if ah get this right... if we in agreement with Fenwick's opinion/statements on the state of the national team and it's preparations that mean we eh have no "self respect and civiv pride"? I think even you in a more level-headed moment would agree that this is bullshit.
As for Fenwick... I don't know if it was a blow (as a clout) or a push ("mush") to the back of the head. I believe it makes a difference to the extent that one is less offensive than the other. Not that his reaction is justified... as Observer properly pointed out, it was done in haste and anger... not the proper lesson you want to communicate to your players as a standard of professional player. Assuming it was not indeed a blow to the back of Glen's head (a fair assumption on the evidence) then all this public opprobrium seem extra.
As for the security officers/police officers who fired the shots... incredibly irresponsible act and JDB has it pegged right, them men watching too much TV. What goes up must come down... and here are hundreds, if not thousands of documented cases each year of people being injured by "falling" bullets. That there was just plain reckless and points to poor/improper training.
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steups.........them youths need some more clout in dey arse.
anyhow, jab. won the game buh how come we lost the fight? ??? >:(
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Fenwick know who and what he dealing with, and maybe, just maybe that is what them guys respect, however that is grounds for suspension/fine, for Glen Fifa and club, and he, Fenwick..If Glen had re-acted any other way - than to take the screw head- he woulda be banned from all football probably for life, beside being brought up on charges...ah see man get suspended by Fenwick for being unprofessional (interacting with he community), what is the charge for abusing one's authority ? Wha see how this play out
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Bottom line is Cyrano Glen get de point right??
Allyuh acting like the man get cuff down, what i saw was a half calpet, half push head.. A small rough up in the big picture and nothing out of the ordinary coach player relationship imo. If you know anything but what does go on in dressing rooms, players does get choke and push and rough up all the time in the heat of the moment.. Yorke self say when he came to Villa, the coach used to make man walk on his chest to toughen him up, and if u do shit in practice you have to stand in goal with your back turn while men leggo bullet..
What yuh think does happen in the army on a daily basis, yuh think every transgression is a sit down and talk it out and sing kumbaya?
Now as to whether the public was the place for that then i can see that point, but its not something i've never seen happen before.
Funny just about everyone here does say the main problem in our football is discipline yet allyuh in uproar and decrying an act of deserved and meritable tough love.
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Is de REF fault ..wey he from ???
nah Terry...Nah
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After watching it again, the ref did his job in issuing the red cards but it's hard for me to tell who's at fault or why the whole brawl started after the match because it looked like both teams were exchanging words and a River Plate player attacker our keeper, then de shit get out of hand or maybe I'm really blind. I know all about standing up for your players and defending your team but when things goes to the extreme and gun shot firing by police and shit something must be done by our league administration.
Just last August in a college football game, in fact the opening game for Oregon, at the end of the game a player from the other team taunted the Oregon player during an exchange of words. That lead to the Oregon player to retaliate and punch the player, now eventhough the Oregon guy didn't start it he got banned for the entire season my his institution. However he showed remorse, appoliged by stating it wasn't called for and still showed committment by attending practice sessions and going to class. Afterwards they admitted him back on the team to play mid way through the season and he was a senior with high draft potential for the NFL. Now his lack of controlling if temper/emotions might've cost him millions since his stock might've dropped from lack of playing time who knows.
It's hard for me to sit and type about the situation when I wasn't involved in the heat of the moment and I know it is almost impossible to take a jump kick from an opposing player but things escalated to that extreme I still believe the league or Jabloteh have to make a stand and show that they do not tolerate this type of behavior from their players. If the River Plate team have any sort of expectations in regards to conduct from their players, they should do the same!
soccerman,
with all due respects, there is a code of conduct for all footballers. All players know the code of conduct. I am almost sure jabloteh and most teams in TT have been told to conduct themselves properly on the field, else the they tarnish the names of the club and country. The same goes for PR.
If you were on the field as a player you would you have let the PR players come and punch you and then tell your team-mates "turn the other cheek guys, Terry will get angry if we retialiate. Calma, boriqua, calma!!!".
Each situation is different. So what would have happen if this game was in PR and the same situation occured.
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Aren't the next round of games to be played in Puerto Rico?
I didn't see the fight start even though I was at the game. What stuck out to me to me was immediately as the whistle was blown to end the game, a Jabloteh player (Karlon Murray I think) pulled his shirt off and lran off the field in the direction of the dressing room. When i heard the uproar and checked out what was happening, the brawl was in progress. I did observe Mr. Murray back on the field running behind some PR players. I wondered what was his role in the fracas. ::) ::) ;D.
I have not seen the clips, but this what I saw.
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Is de REF fault ..wey he from ???
nah Terry...Nah
The refereeing was horrible.
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Just saw the vid. Glen was wrong and Fenwick more wrong. Dem PR deserve a fine and suspension.
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Dais ah tough one as two wrongs doh make a right.....Glen was an ass to pelt that cuff at dat player however Fenwick in his anger should not have rest that calpet on de man...whatever point he could have made was totally lost.......
Glen reacted with a physical action in a moment of anger. Fenwick (the coach) action was also physical in a moment of anger. How could that be right? Fenwick reaction is no different from Glen's! So all Glen learned is that its ok to react physically when angered. IMHO
2 Brilliant Posts :applause: :applause:
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my pardna playin wit jabloteh say marvin oliver hit d PR coach wit a magical bootoo. he say it hadda be magical cuz he eh know where it come out from
an dat wasnt no clout da was ah kinda push kinda somtin...i used to get level licks as ah yute...i kno wat clout is
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Westcoast,
how this brawl make we look like JA. that is ridiculous. Any other people would have reacted like Jab. JA are not the only Caribbean people who does have a brawl somtimes
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Westcoast,
how this brawl make we look like JA. that is ridiculous. Any other people would have reacted like Jab. JA are not the only Caribbean people who does have a brawl somtimes
I fixed my earlier quote of MEP post
I was only responding to the Glen and Fenwick interaction......my bad
I agree with you that under the circumstances people blood was boiling and things were not coolin down
It was bad but not unbelievable
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small ting.....i more concerned bout d security firing a shot........bullet does have to hit something eh know.......
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small ting.....i more concerned bout d security firing a shot........bullet does have to hit something eh know.......
yea he move like jack bauer dey...dem fellas watchin too much tv in troot
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Two wrongs doh make a right .... Terry as the coach need to maintain his players discipline as well as his own and respect is something that is earned I doh see his reaction with Glen as a positive thing ..... I guess in a way every man know which tree to climb because if that was Shawn Boney or Reynold Carrington aint no way he was laying a hand on them... I see youth man get lil rough up from their coach in intercol for some digressions but grown men doh take them kinda thing like that ... I cyah promise that if he had done that to me that I wouldnt have slapped him .....
I couldnt tell who was the instigator of the brawl but them jabloteh fellas look to be more defending themselves than anything else and the truth be told rule or no rule if a man coming at you swinging you have no choice but to defend yourself based on a rule that overides all others ... the rule of self preservation.
As for the shot firing prick ...... the stadium empty as can be there was no need to fire that shot not like it was some kinda stadium wide riot or anything.
The one common denominator in all these occcurences was commonsense or lack thereof.
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Consider the fact that Jabloteh won the game and ran the risk of being thrown out of the tournament if they really decided to engage in a full out brawl.
Whether or not it was a concious effort on their part, they probably did the best thing by retreating.
I am more concerned about the team going to PR for the next round. Granted River Plate is out of the competition, if that footage reach PR then they might really have to be careful. Latinos are volatile at best
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Consider the fact that Jabloteh won the game and ran the risk of being thrown out of the tournament if they really decided to engage in a full out brawl.
Whether or not it was a concious effort on their part, they probably did the best thing by retreating.
I am more concerned about the team going to PR for the next round. Granted River Plate is out of the competition, if that footage reach PR then they might really have to be careful. Latinos are volatile at best
Yep RP may try to stir up fans resentment. I just hope the boriquas keep a cool head. Remember is Jack playing also.
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Yep RP may try to stir up fans resentment. I just hope the boriquas keep a cool head. Remember is Jack playing also.
I doh think it's beyond the pale for the CFU to move the return leg to a neutral site. Fans will get punished for something not their fault, but the team will be punished even more in the pocket... plus you minimize the chances of fans becoming a part of the "action".
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Wait nah...
I now watch dis ting.
THAT is what man in here gnashing dey teeth about?! A lil push head? Really?! I say de man get tap up. Steups. Allyuh jokey, oui.
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Yep RP may try to stir up fans resentment. I just hope the boriquas keep a cool head. Remember is Jack playing also.
I doh think it's beyond the pale for the CFU to move the return leg to a neutral site. Fans will get punished for something not their fault, but the team will be punished even more in the pocket... plus you minimize the chances of fans becoming a part of the "action".
Bakes,
you might be right. The power of Jack. He might move the tournament final if he scent any hint of trouble. You know he want JP to play in that Concacaf tournament real bad.
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Yep RP may try to stir up fans resentment. I just hope the boriquas keep a cool head. Remember is Jack playing also.
I doh think it's beyond the pale for the CFU to move the return leg to a neutral site. Fans will get punished for something not their fault, but the team will be punished even more in the pocket... plus you minimize the chances of fans becoming a part of the "action".
Bakes,
you might be right. The power of Jack. He might move the tournament final if he scent any hint of trouble. You know he want JP to play in that Concacaf tournament real bad.
I would say that a move is fair
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Allyuh watch the same clips i see? I see Oliver take a baton and beat a man like a snake on the ground. i see jabloteh players running after puerto ricans. Yes the latinos start it, but Jabloteh men was fighting, not running. Is only Oliver was running til he get the baton. And the jabloteh keeper was trying to break it up. other than that, Jabloteh men lookign to get ban just as much as the puerto ricans.
Where fenwick went? he was in the middle of it all when it started then i lose track of him...he was beating his own players again?
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Allyuh watch the same clips i see? I see Oliver take a baton and beat a man like a snake on the ground. i see jabloteh players running after puerto ricans. Yes the latinos start it, but Jabloteh men was fighting, not running. Is only Oliver was running til he get the baton. And the jabloteh keeper was trying to break it up. other than that, Jabloteh men lookign to get ban just as much as the puerto ricans.
Where fenwick went? he was in the middle of it all when it started then i lose track of him...he was beating his own players again?
You musta seen ah different clip from the one posted here on this site. what i saw was ah bunch of spanish sampart oliver and dealt him ah cuff tuh the head. then he escape dem and started retreating.
it's either you was there live and in living color, or yuh saw ah better clip. glad tuh know he didn't take dat dis, dem spanish byoi deserve tuh get trumped real bad!!
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Some body post ah better clip of the mele nah? that edited version doesn't do the incident no justice ahtall. we... @ least i, want tuh see the whole brawl and not piece of it.
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Fenwick is not d issue here.....infact Fenwick should buss 2 kick on him as well
D real issue here is d decorum of we players and d lack of respect for the game of football...People will argue that the behaviour exhibited by both teams is normal in Latin American football et al....
D truth is you are seeing for yourself d mentality of we players and that is partly permeated from we culture...pure wildness.....
Why d ass men cant take talk for once ....walk out d pressure....NO WE NEED TO SAVE FACE.....and look d badder man... D usual bullshit...(yeah saddist you goe take dat mentality)
Some will focus on Fenwick which is a big steups because we are failing to see d BIGGER picture and that being how d players have no BLASTED discipline....and that is what is wrong with alot of we youth...perfect example in this clip
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This reminds me of the "Malace in the Palace". This behavior is highly unacceptable!!!! By Glen, Fenwick and all other players involved. Let's see how serious our league is in putting out and maintaining a professional image and if they really want to be taken seriously by FIFA and other investors. I think Dexter Skeene or who ever is in charge needs to review the tapes and discipline all our players involved including the coach, whether it be fines, suspensions, etc. because this cannot be tolerated no matter who's right or wrong. He need to take a Roger Goodell stance and lay the hammer down because as a fellow Trinidadian, that is embarassing to watch and is a disgrace to the sport. As a professional or even as a sportsman for the matter you have to learn to keep your emotions in check (easier said than done) and let the officials to their job, if they don't file a protest to the committee but that got way out of hand IMO.
Soccerman I totally agree with you and my initial reaction when I read about the brawl was what sort of sanctions would be layed against both teams by the CFU, esp Jab who has progressed in the compeition. However, the first question you have to ask is are there any laws set the in Trinidad Pro league or the CFU to lay sanctions and take the necessary disciplinary actions against teams and players? Are these by laws accesible to the players, coaches, teams if they exist? Is there a code of conduct policy from a team level, league level? Shoot I doubt they even doing random drug testing on players so really it brings about the question how professional is the pro league?
Foolishness like this will continue to occur and go unpunished, hence why, outside of Jack Warner being a FIFA Vice President, FIFA don't respect the Caribbean and Latin American countries in this region. They see us as backward and lacking professional talent...and it all stems from how we are represented on an administration level!
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Palos you and whoever fussin bout wha Fenwick do straight up full ah f**kin shit! Steups, I say he hit de man ah hard calpet or sumting, ah shove in de back ah he neck allyuh gettin on so for. I see much biiger players in name and physical stature geh worse dan dat. Allyuh so does incourage dem lil boys jackass indiscipline. we football could never go no wey if dat was enough (fuh as some man say) to retaliate an hit fenwick ah lash.
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Some body post ah better clip of the mele nah? that edited version doesn't do the incident no justice ahtall. we... @ least i, want tuh see the whole brawl and not piece of it.
Yeah i now see the clip here, it shorter than the one i see. Thing is, the one I see was on tv6 news. I hope the CFU use the edited version and somebody lose the longer one though cause to me it look like once the police intervened (or security firm or whoever) the puerto ricans kinda step back cause they fraid law enforcement. That's when Jabloteh take over and the camera was switchign to the stands and you were seeing fans rushing on the field and lashing the puerto rican players too. So we gave as good as we got in my opinion.
I really hope the CFU have no standards and just fine the clubs or somethign and doh implement bans. But a man tell me that Jack doh like Fenwick head at all so he looking to do as much damage as possible.
Hopefully he too busy with elections or he let his national pride take over and 'low jabloteh. Then again, with Jabloteh being a threat to Joe Public, that hardly likely.
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So where does "being professional" comes in when you are being attacked ??..based on what I have seen, dem fellas was protecting themselves..
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Not saying that Fenwick's actions were appropriate and justified. But if this was Bertille St.Clair, would the reactions be the same, or would man jump up and say Bertille is ah great disciplinarian and is dis sort ah treatment dem fellas need.
Does the colour of Fenwick's skin have certain men up in arms and more upset with de incident?
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Not saying that Fenwick's actions were appropriate and justified. But if this was Bertille St.Clair, would the reactions be the same, or would man jump up and say Bertille is ah great disciplinarian and is dis sort ah treatment dem fellas need.
Does the colour of Fenwick's skin have certain men up in arms and more upset with de incident?
Good point..I would not be surprise if some fellas in here would not be so upset over the situation if the man was not a white foreign coach but instead a local coach..
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Does the colour of Fenwick's skin have certain men up in arms and more upset with de incident?
Oh, of course. Yuh eh see man declaring we independence and all kinda ting?
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Does the colour of Fenwick's skin have certain men up in arms and more upset with de incident?
Oh, of course. Yuh eh see man declaring we independence and all kinda ting?
Ent?!!
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Does the colour of Fenwick's skin have certain men up in arms and more upset with de incident?
Oh, of course. Yuh eh see man declaring we independence and all kinda ting?
Ent?!!
When the thread 1st start it was based on a written report that the man colleck some clout from fenwick, foreign or local coach,, that should wrankle anyone who readin it...by pg 3 when de 'flim' reach we see is a lil screw head fenwick gih de man in the heat of the moment
still wrong is wrong..fenwick admit he wrong, talk done
whomever fall into de opposin camps of 'all dem ting normal ' or 'massa day done'...dais dem personal issues
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Fenwick content with CFU performances
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Weve achieved by qualifying for the Concacaf Champions League (preliminary round), said San Juan Jabloteh head coach Terry Fenwick despite his teams failure to capture the 2010 CFU Club Champion Cup.
Were operating in a similar situation like that of English club Portsmouth, he said. We have a little budget, and weve qualified for the next stage which is the Champions League preliminary round which is great because we could give our players more exposure and probably sell one or two.
Jabloteh finished the CFU tournament with 3 points in third position, ahead of Bayamon FC based on goal difference to advance into the 2010-2011 Concacaf Champions League preliminary round following a 1-0 defeat against fellow Pro League club Joe Public (Wednesday), a 4-1 victory over Bayamon (Friday), and a 1-0 loss against eventual champions Puerto Rico Islanders on Sunday.
But, a victory over Islanders at the Marvin Lee Stadium could have boosted Jabloteh to the top to take the CFU title as Joe Publicanother contenderfell 3-1 against Bayamon.
Its disappointing not to win the title, he continued. However we are pleased with our performances, and reaching the next stage."
Islanders have a much stronger mentality than that of the guys in Trinidad. They dont let anything get to them. Their professionalism is very good and unlike the guys in this region who only want to play the game like that of Brazil, Islanders play a very straightforward game. They are not about the glamour and I thought they just cancelled us out."
We didnt play badly throughout the tournament. Islanders only had about three chances against us, one of which they scored. We had more half chances but didnt convert. I think we were a bit intimidated in the first half but had a much better game in the second period."
Against Joe Public, I thought we were the better team. We outplayed them and their top players Kerry Baptiste and Trent Noel didnt have any kicks at us. And the player (Radanfah Abu Bakr) that scored against us was supposed to be on suspension. And what says a lot about our performances is the fact that the team (Bayamon FC) we defeated 4-1, went on to defeat Joe Public 3-1.
Fenwick admitted the CFU Final Round clashes was really tight contests having to play three games in five days.
He also explained that his team lacked a centre forward throughout the competition. The former England international said he didnt want to risk striker Jerrol Forbes--who has been recovering from a knee injury over the past year--on the Astroturf at the Marvin Lee Stadium in the Final Round of the CFU Club Championship despite the players readiness to play.
Instead Fenwick used an attacking midfield inclusive of Kennedy Hinkson, Jason Marcano, Ronaldo Viana, Ataulla Guerra and Marvin Oliver. Willis Plaza and speedy midfielder Johan Peltier were also used in the Final Round.
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Fenwick content with CFU performances
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Their professionalism is very good and unlike the guys in this region who only want to play the game like that of Brazil, Islanders play a very straightforward game. They are not about the glamour and I thought they just cancelled us out."
anybody here could talk about Jabloteh brand/ how it does look? seem to me like dude make a heap of excuses in this interview and if you not playing attractive football AND not lightin the world on fire with wins, then Trini mightn't be the place fuh you. Anybody could talk to the legitimacy of his claim that he playing with vastly worse (hence cheaper) players than Joe Pub & Islanders? thanks :beermug:
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well i saw the game and Fenwick (who needs a nickname) does have a point about Islanders straight forward approach and the fact that they argue less than Jabloteh. Guerra is a special guy and yuh love him and hate him in the same sentence. Kinda like Keon Daniel. Oliver was playing some kinda defensive midfield role and looked out of sorts. Jabloteh in the second half was all over that team so I wouldnt place the Islanders above them except for their group play is more precise than that of jabloteh. Jabloteh has more individual flair and showmanship but unless done effectively as in mash de ball but make an effective pass they wind up just losing out and messing up de whole play to which everyone will start to cuss yuh.
hope this helped
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It sound to me like Fenwick is instruct players to wind up the oppostition, the way he highlight the fact that the islanders "don't let anything get to them". Jabloteh is a good side, Fenwick is a good coach, although I think he going lil overboard by comparing them to Portsmouth. Is not like he ever used to buy players anyway, except the player of the season at the end of each year.
But I didn't expect him to be happy with these results.
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well i saw the game and Fenwick (who needs a nickname) does have a point about Islanders straight forward approach and the fact that they argue less than Jabloteh. Guerra is a special guy and yuh love him and hate him in the same sentence. Kinda like Keon Daniel. Oliver was playing some kinda defensive midfield role and looked out of sorts. Jabloteh in the second half was all over that team so I wouldnt place the Islanders above them except for their group play is more precise than that of jabloteh. Jabloteh has more individual flair and showmanship but unless done effectively as in mash de ball but make an effective pass they wind up just losing out and messing up de whole play to which everyone will start to cuss yuh.
hope this helped
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http://www.youtube.com/v/kJ4cttVaiTM
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Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
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With the Digicel Caribbean Cup second round Group F qualifiers around the corner for Trinidad and Tobago, San Juan Jabloteh head coach Terry Fenwick questions the Warriors team selection process.
The tournament to be played between November 2-6 at the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium, Marabella will feature hosts, T&T, Haiti, Guyana and St Vincent and the Grenadines.
From the four-team, the top two will qualify for the eight-team finals in Martinique from November 26 to December 5.
Fenwick, a former England international and three-time Pro League Championship winning coach, is totally disgruntled over the non-selection of his playersmainly in defence.
My disappointment comes for my players, he said. They deserve more.
Can the people in charge look beyond the petty issues surrounding Terry Fenwick? he continued.
The Englishman boasts that his team holds the best defensive record in the domestic Digicel Pro League Championship and that says a lot about his defendershowever not one of his players are selected in the T&T Mens Senior Team.
Jabloteh is again the League's meanest team with the best defensive record thus far, Fenwick argued. And yet none of the Jabloteh defenders make it into the home based National team or even the squad.
Jabloteh currently stands fifth on the League standings after Round One registered 11 goals and conceded 7, while fourth positioned Ma Pau SC scored 12 and conceded 7, as the pair holds the best defensive record in the Championship thus far.
Both teams, despite their current League defensive record, have no defenders with the T&T National team.
Youngsters like Robert Primus and Joel Russell have back to back championships behind them while in their teens, continued Fenwick.
Karlon Murray has consistently proven his critics wrong because he is a very good defender; Sheldon Bateau is a graceful defender with bags of potential and Jamaal Jack is the find of the season. He is easily the best defender in T&T at the moment, proclaimed Fenwick.
And what does Cleon John have to do to make the squad, added the Jabloteh coach who is appalled that his number one keeper isnt getting his chance.
He was voted in the best goalkeeper category in T&T for the last three years and never gets a look in. What have these kids done to be ignored at a time when the National team can't buy a clean sheet?
None of these guys have figured in the locally based National set up but surely form, facts and stats must count for something... ask (T&T Technical Director) Lincoln Phillips?
T&T Head Coach Russell Latapy named a provisional squad this week which included goalkeepers Jan-Michael Williams (W Connection) and Marvin Phillip (Joe Public). In defence are Julius James (DC United), Yohance Marshall (LA Galaxy), Kern Cupid (W Connection), Daneil Cyrus (Caledonia AIA) and Joevin Jones (W Connection).
The rest of the team include midfielders Clyde Leon (W Connection), Trent Noel (Joe Public), Densill Theobald (Caledonia AIA), Hughtun Hector (W Connection), Keon Daniel (Puerto Rico Islanders), Hayden Tinto (Joe Public), Anthony Wolfe (North East Stars), Lester Peltier (Ma Pau FC) and Kendall Jagdeosingh (Puerto Rico Islanders).
While Devon Jorsling (Defence Force), Jamal Gay (unknown), Kerry Baptiste (Joe Public) and Shahdon Winchester (W Connection) are the forwards.
In their last seven matches, T&T have drawn 1-1 away to Guyana and 0-0 away to Belize. They were hammered 3-0 by Panama and suffered a 3-1 defeat against Jamaica but defeated Antigua and St Lucia in follow-up matches.
And in their final warm-up match Trinidad and Tobago were edged 1-0 away to Jamaica to an early penalty.
Believe it or not, Terry Fenwick and Jabloteh want to see the National team be successful, added Fenwick.
We are all in this together. A poor National team reflects badly on the local professional league.
A successful National team could be the tonic the Pro League and the whole nation is looking for.
2014, World Cup Finals in Brazil is next. So lets not stumble through the next three years and look for a quick fix at the last moment again.
Lets put some faith and confidence in these youngsters...give them a chance!
They'll not let you down. These guys will be in their mid 20's when Brazil come around which is perfect. These kids will need to be brave, so will the decision makers, give them the chance! I dare you, ended the Jabloteh coach.
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Logical.
Far cry from wha went on when he decided the approach was too lax and didnt make his players available.
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Just out of curiosity, ah wonder what qualification Terry Fenwick have ?
Terry, de national players eh get paid in 7 internationals, so doh worry, by the TTFF not calling yuh players it might be de best this at the moment.
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I always thought Latapy didn't select Primus because he was injured ..... never knew Latas was so dotish nah........ fantastic player dunce coach!
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I always thought Latapy didn't select Primus because he was injured ..... never knew Latas was so dotish nah........ fantastic player dunce coach!
Ah incline tuh agree wid yuh eh, but i will reserve my comments until after the 6th of nov.
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Only Primus really has any shot of being on the NT....Did we not see this defense perform in the CCL qualifiers? Nodody stood out....
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At some point Fenwick needs to take stock of the fact that his comments are becoming counter-productive. We all know that there's a barely-concealed feud going on between him and the TTFF, and we all already know where he stands on the issue of the selection and/or training of the national team.
He needs to recognize that henceforth his best answer when the question is posed to him would be "I've already commented on the state of the national team and the selection process, and my opinion since then hasn't changed." He starting to sound like a broken record, or worse... like he have axe to grind, by issuing some new comment (stating the same thing) every couple months.
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At some point Fenwick needs to take stock of the fact that his comments are becoming counter-productive. We all know that there's a barely-concealed feud going on between him and the TTFF, and we all already know where he stands on the issue of the selection and/or training of the national team.
He needs to recognize that henceforth his best answer when the question is posed to him would be "I've already commented on the state of the national team and the selection process, and my opinion since then hasn't changed." He starting to sound like a broken record, or worse... like he have axe to grind, by issuing some new comment (stating the same thing) every couple months.
I see your point but regardless of whether Fenwick's approach is feasible or not he does have a point that Latapy is not really looking around the league for players he is only recycling players from before ... if anyone saw Primus vs Mexico it was a forgone conclusion that this kid has to be included ...or the u20's world cup campaign I mean .... we posters here see what highlights of games or when the games across the internet etc..... Touches reports etc and we all know that Primus is a fantastic prospect yet he kept with Hislop and these guys..... Latas isn't doing anything to make us even remotely feel like defending him.
He is simply horrible!
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I dont really feel that TF "has an axe to grind",the man has lived in TT long enough to develop a love for the country and by extension would have TT football at heart.I would have to believe what he is saying and its not difficult to see that some of RL selections are somewhat strange.RL has proved without doubt that he is not a good coach and dont seem to have what it takes,at least presently,and I still dont understand why the TTFA is prolonging his stint.I assume when we fail to qualify for Digicel 2010 action will be taken.TT football has stagnated under RL,please,please,please dont let our dream turn into a nightmare yet again.
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At some point Fenwick needs to take stock of the fact that his comments are becoming counter-productive. We all know that there's a barely-concealed feud going on between him and the TTFF, and we all already know where he stands on the issue of the selection and/or training of the national team.
He needs to recognize that henceforth his best answer when the question is posed to him would be "I've already commented on the state of the national team and the selection process, and my opinion since then hasn't changed." He starting to sound like a broken record, or worse... like he have axe to grind, by issuing some new comment (stating the same thing) every couple months.
I see your point but regardless of whether Fenwick's approach is feasible or not he does have a point that Latapy is not really looking around the league for players he is only recycling players from before ... if anyone saw Primus vs Mexico it was a forgone conclusion that this kid has to be included ...or the u20's world cup campaign I mean .... we posters here see what highlights of games or when the games across the internet etc..... Touches reports etc and we all know that Primus is a fantastic prospect yet he kept with Hislop and these guys..... Latas isn't doing anything to make us even remotely feel like defending him.
He is simply horrible!
The fact it doh have a single Jabloteh player on de squad speaks volumes.
On de one hand, Latas eh no Beenhakker so he eh tellin Jack Warner "I ridin out if yuh interfere wit meh selection". Latas will do like a good lil boy and choose from the player pool he ALLOWED TO SELECT FROM
On de oddah hand, Fenwick want to play he ackin like he is a CL team and refusin he players to train wit de national team unless is on FIFA dates etc. It bong to have repurcussions fuh dat and sadly, de one's affected is de players.
Fenwick have a big part to play in de dotishness and no amounta crocodile tears or false indgnation goin to erase dat. If he want to know why Primus and Murray dem cyah make de national side, somebody need to place him in front a full length mirror and let him take a LONG HARD LOOK.
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Whatever your feelings about Fenwick, his statements are so logical they cannot be ignored. We need a coach with common sense and coaching ability and a reformed TTFF which understands its role....NOW, or we can kiss Brazil 2014 goodbye.
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I see your point but regardless of whether Fenwick's approach is feasible or not he does have a point that Latapy is not really looking around the league for players he is only recycling players from before ... if anyone saw Primus vs Mexico it was a forgone conclusion that this kid has to be included ...or the u20's world cup campaign I mean .... we posters here see what highlights of games or when the games across the internet etc..... Touches reports etc and we all know that Primus is a fantastic prospect yet he kept with Hislop and these guys..... Latas isn't doing anything to make us even remotely feel like defending him.
He is simply horrible!
This is what I said:
At some point Fenwick needs to take stock of the fact that his comments are becoming counter-productive.
In hindsight what I should have said is "At some point Fenwick needs to take stock of the fact that his commenting is becoming counter-productive."
I don't disagree at all with the substance of what he's saying but, then again, I look on him favorably. To those who are more neutral it might sound like constant griping. I just think that he should just give it a rest now, I understand why he might feel it necessary to continue to agitate in the press, in the hopes of his players getting a fair shot at a call-up... but I don't know that his chosen method will yield that result.
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Is not like Jabloteh relly getting marginalised. Latapy gave 7 caps to Marcano and 6 caps to Guerra. Primus on de U-23 team.
Jabloteh players on de U-20 squad:
Jamaal Francois
Sheldon Bateau
Jerrel Britto
Johan Peltier
Vernell Ramirez
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What Terry need to do is to focus his team to win the PFL and then prepare his team well to play in the CL. If his team wins, they can't deny his plays a spot on the TT team. Stop making TTFF raise he blood pressure
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At some point Fenwick needs to take stock of the fact that his comments are becoming counter-productive. We all know that there's a barely-concealed feud going on between him and the TTFF, and we all already know where he stands on the issue of the selection and/or training of the national team.
He needs to recognize that henceforth his best answer when the question is posed to him would be "I've already commented on the state of the national team and the selection process, and my opinion since then hasn't changed." He starting to sound like a broken record, or worse... like he have axe to grind, by issuing some new comment (stating the same thing) every couple months.
I see your point but regardless of whether Fenwick's approach is feasible or not he does have a point that Latapy is not really looking around the league for players he is only recycling players from before ... if anyone saw Primus vs Mexico it was a forgone conclusion that this kid has to be included ...or the u20's world cup campaign I mean .... we posters here see what highlights of games or when the games across the internet etc..... Touches reports etc and we all know that Primus is a fantastic prospect yet he kept with Hislop and these guys..... Latas isn't doing anything to make us even remotely feel like defending him.
He is simply horrible!
The fact it doh have a single Jabloteh player on de squad speaks volumes.
On de one hand, Latas eh no Beenhakker so he eh tellin Jack Warner "I ridin out if yuh interfere wit meh selection". Latas will do like a good lil boy and choose from the player pool he ALLOWED TO SELECT FROM
On de oddah hand, Fenwick want to play he ackin like he is a CL team and refusin he players to train wit de national team unless is on FIFA dates etc. It bong to have repurcussions fuh dat and sadly, de one's affected is de players.
Fenwick have a big part to play in de dotishness and no amounta crocodile tears or false indgnation goin to erase dat. If he want to know why Primus and Murray dem cyah make de national side, somebody need to place him in front a full length mirror and let him take a LONG HARD LOOK.
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I remember a couple years ago nearly the whole ah Jabloteh make up the NT, now not one. All them clubs really improving.
Watch to eh, Ma Pau eh have no players either an Ma Pau made up of Jabloteh players.
Joe Public trying to pressure players in coming to play for them. If you play for Ma Pau or Jabloteh, no National call up so no foreign contract. Join Joe Public and get call up to the National team.
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Latas is starting to understand that the level of ball in the pro league is at a low level, reasons for our poor performaces with pro league players in international games.
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Latas is starting to understand that the level of ball in the pro league is at a low level, reasons for our poor performaces with pro league players in international games.
So then no Pro league players on the National team. The goat does soon figure out that he can only graze where he is tied.
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Is not like Jabloteh relly getting marginalised. Latapy gave 7 caps to Marcano and 6 caps to Guerra. Primus on de U-23 team.
Jabloteh players on de U-20 squad:
Jamaal Francois
Sheldon Bateau
Jerrel Britto
Johan Peltier
Vernell Ramirez
Jamal Francois no longer plays for Jabloteh.........he plays for Ma Pau.
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Latas is starting to understand that the level of ball in the pro league is at a low level, reasons for our poor performaces with pro league players in international games.
So then no Pro league players on the National team. The goat does soon figure out that he can only graze where he is tied.
Yes there should be pro league players... on the National team, but these players needs to be evaluated properly to make the team. Remember in the beginning Latas had thought that he could of competed on the international stage with most of the players coming from the pro league... but after some poor performances against weak opposition Latas is starting to understand that the level of the game... in the pro league is not of high quality... and he needs to use foreign players if he wants to compete.
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leh we make sure that the grass eh always greener on the other side
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latas too soff. TNT needs a coach like fenwick. you lorse ah fight vs midget? licks! in ur arse :rotfl:
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Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Soca Warriors Online Press Release.
The English Football Association has awarded Terry Fenwick the UEFA A License in September 2010. Fenwick, one of only two people in the region, the other residing in Jamaica has been a fully fledged coach since 1991.
Fenwick successfully completed the English Full Badge whilst still a player with Tottenham Hotspur back in the early nineties. The Full Badge was superseded by the UEFA A License in the late 90s.
A three day conversion course was implemented to smoothly convert Full Badge coaches into UEFA A License Coaches. Fenwick, who was Terry Venables assistant coach at Crystal Palace at that time did not complete the conversion course before he took up his coaching position at San Juan Jabloteh.
Several years had passed where the T&T Pro Leagues schedule restricted Fenwick from reaffirming his credentials. Fenwick got that opportunity and took full advantage last year while he was absent from San Juan Jabloteh during the CLICO crisis.
Fenwicks Full Badge course in 1991 was conducted by John Peacock, the now Head of Coaching at the English FA. Fenwick and Peacock have remained friends since 1991.
Also on the course were Chris Houghton, Alan Curbishley and Steve Rutter. Rutter, now a solid fixture at the English FA conducts courses worldwide for the most prestigious award in football.
Mentors - Sir Bobby Robson & Terry Venables
Fenwick has been fortunate to work under English legends Sir Bobby Robson and Terry Venables. Venables was Fenwicks mentor and Manager at three Premiership clubs, Crystal palace, Queens Park Rangers and Tottenham Hotspur. Sadly, Sir Bobby Robson past away last year but Fenwick and Venable remain close friends.
Development
Fenwicks first managerial appointment was as Manager of Portsmouth Fc 1994-97.
Fenwick quickly applied his development skills into the cash strapped club netting the south coast club over 10.5 million pounds over his three year tenure.
Developmental/ Transfer Fees Lee Bradbury 3.5M, Kit Simons 2.2M, Paul Hall 1.3M, Daryll Powell 800K, Jerry Creaney 1.5M, Deon Burton.2M, Guy Butters 350K, Matt Swensen 650K.
Fenwicks Development Program in T&T with local outfit San Juan Jabloteh has also been impressive.
Listed below are some of the players Fenwick has aided in developing.
Kelvin Jack, Collin Samuel, Cyd Gray, Ian Gray, Aurtis Whitley, Cornell Glen, Josh Johnson, Trent Noel, Kerry Baptiste, Ataullah Guerra, Lester Peltier, Khaleem Hyland, Robert Primus, Sheldon Bateau, Jerrel Britto, Cleon John, Elton John, Elijah Manners, Jason Marcano, Devon Jamerson, Johan Peltier.. and the next rising star progressing through Fenwick could be Matthew Woo Ling who at 14 has already attended several sessions with Fenwick and his San Juan Jabloteh Pro-Team.
Overseas Contracts
Fenwick has secured 18 overseas contracts for local T&T players.
Contribution to T&T Football
Significant!
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Fenwick next coach of T&T?
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Well look at this.............most qualified coach (on paper) ............ :devil:
What is TTFF gonna do now
:beermug:
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Fenwick next coach of T&T?
ha! i wont hold my breath , knowing how the TTFF operates
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But who is de Asian sensation (Woo Ling), or is this another Jagdeosingh???
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Several years had pasted where the T&T Pro Leagues schedule restricted Fenwick from reaffirming his credentials.. Fenwick got that opportunity last year during his absents from San Juan Jabloteh during the CLICO crisis, Fenwick took full advantage.
???
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But who is de Asian sensation (Woo Ling), or is this another Jagdeosingh???
oh gorm is T&T, woo ling afro mus be ticker dan mines
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But who is de Asian sensation (Woo Ling), or is this another Jagdeosingh???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7sS-gQZ9JE
Also...
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/100241769.html
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But who is de Asian sensation (Woo Ling), or is this another Jagdeosingh???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7sS-gQZ9JE
Also...
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/100241769.html
I stand corrected
he afro still lookin ticker dan mines doh :afro:
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Congrats :beermug:
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Several years had pasted where the T&T Pro Leagues schedule restricted Fenwick from reaffirming his credentials.. Fenwick got that opportunity last year during his absents from San Juan Jabloteh during the CLICO crisis, Fenwick took full advantage.
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yeah boy....sound like de TTFF media man
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But who is de Asian sensation (Woo Ling), or is this another Jagdeosingh???
This kid is quality... went to Sunderland the other day through the digicel John Barnes thing
My neighbour is one of the kids I coach at QPCC and he plays on the u14 Fatima team with him... so I've followed their games while supporting my QPCC boys and I've always heard good things but he is on a next level.. his technique is on a different level and he is both footed ..plays CM.. very agressive and very smart for a 14 year old.. has a great shot with both feet...scores goals for fun....vision and passing range very high quality too
definitely one for the future if he keeps his head on and continues to develop at the rate he is then he will be a great prospect... he is a very down to earth kid too.. didnt get a hint of arrogance or anything.
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Flex like he running a campaign for Fenwick...well look thing.
Fenwick hitting them in the media, he taking the battle to the public.
Fenwick will not last 2 weeks as TnT coach.
and it have nothing to do with football.
He is too "professional" to deal with the TTFF.
the first time camps ask him to swing by the office to collect the cooler for practice so they boys and them can have something to drink.
That will be the end of it.
Fenwick better send he resume to capello to see if he could help that struggle team.
Because in Trinidad.
With regard to the TTFF, he not changing a thing.
either we will see a changed fenwick ie
keep his mouth shut and collect his paycheck which the chance to be the national coach or he will continue to open his mouth and jack will shut him up quick.
2 weeks self he would not last.
Football wise he will be decent , because he knows the players and has a professional approach.
Maybe he should be Latapy assistant :rotfl:
an indestrutable force meets an immovable object.
That will be the end of football in TnT for a while.
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KND, its doesn't matter what I say, do or published, Fenwick is not liked by the TTFF and will never get the job.
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KND, its doesn't matter what I say, do or published, Fenwick is not liked by the TTFF and will never get the job.
Yes boi u iz he agent. LOUDDDDDDDDDD STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSS
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He is too "professional" to deal with the TTFF.
the first time camps ask him to swing by the office to collect the cooler for practice so they boys and them can have something to drink.
That will be the end of it.
:rotfl:
i'd like to believe that that was a joke and doesn't really happen, but the way things going i not too sure.
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TTFFdont like the man because they cant balls him around with bullshit and maybe he says things the way he sees it ,they cant deal with a professional coach .
What does that say about the TTFF ??? ??? they like shit, that is why our team will not be going anywhere soon doh matter what coach they get .
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TTFFdont like the man because they cant balls him around with bullshit and maybe he says things the way he sees it ,they cant deal with a professional coach .
What does that say about the TTFF ??? ??? they like shit, that is why our team will not be going anywhere soon doh matter what coach they get .
Nah man, we getting a bess coach. Yuh eh get the memo or wha?? The deal is being made in Zurich right now.....oh and yeah.....
We going Brazil!!!....
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Been meaning to ask ... is he the son of one of the brothers Woo Ling or are they his uncles?
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Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Soca Warriors Online Press Release.
The English Football Association has awarded Terry Fenwick the EUFA A License in September 2010. Fenwick, one of only two people in the region, the other residing in Jamaica has been a fully fledged coach since 1991.
I wouldn't take that to the bank.
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Hannibal Najjar has his UEFA A as well
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Fenwick should leave these shores at the first decent chance he gets and never look back. I hope some other Caribbean nation pick him up as national coach and then blaze we tail out a next gold cup again.
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Shouldn't it be UEFA, not EUFA?
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Thanks for de update on dis Woo Ling kid, ah feel as though ah watching some lil brazilian oui
in dese dark days dem video of him make me feel happy.....ah like how he rel like to pass de ball.
at de risk of being labelled an ass, watching him shows the de results of player development (dat some on here like to always talk bout) at work, no?
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Fenwick should leave these shores at the first decent chance he gets and never look back. I hope some other Caribbean nation pick him up as national coach and then blaze we tail out a next gold cup again.
Frankly, I don't know why he's wasting his time in TnT. Some may say that he has no better prospects abroad, but I'm sure that with an Ass't Manager (Crystal Palace) and Manager (Portsmouth) on his resume that there would be opportunities for him in England. Yet people want to begrudge him and make comparisons to that spectacular shithong, McComie. Maybe is juss de weather and nice 'oman have him tie to TnT so... cuz God know de pay and headache ent worth it.
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Question.
Are there any minimum requirements or qualification Pro League coaches must have to coach? As I recall, in most major leagues there usually is.
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Terry Fenwick, dem Trinis and dem doh want you here and dey doh understand you.
Run, Buddy, Run.
Go somewhere where you skill level is appreciated.
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Fenwick should leave these shores at the first decent chance he gets and never look back. I hope some other Caribbean nation pick him up as national coach and then blaze we tail out a next gold cup again.
Frankly, I don't know why he's wasting his time in TnT. Some may say that he has no better prospects abroad, but I'm sure that with an Ass't Manager (Crystal Palace) and Manager (Portsmouth) on his resume that there would be opportunities for him in England. Yet people want to begrudge him and make comparisons to that spectacular shithong, McComie. Maybe is juss de weather and nice 'oman have him tie to TnT so... cuz God know de pay and headache ent worth it.
the decision as to who coaches T&T is one persons decision. remember is only a fluke bring Beenie. The first choice was Ron Atkinson and player power axe dat.
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Terry Fenwick, dem Trinis and dem doh want you here and dey doh understand you.
Run, Buddy, Run.
Go somewhere where you skill level is appreciated.
Tell that to Jabloteh,they did not have money and he still hang in there with them,Eve left and he stayed.
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Hannibal Najjar has his UEFA A as well
Bradang!!!!!
And Fenwick will be as effective as Najjar was as national team coach
Except.....he doh write nice letters like Hannibal :devil:
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Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy.
Over the past year, I have been monitoring the comments and tone of Terry Fenwick as he continually wage a campaign of unrelenting verbal attacks on Hear coach Russell Latapy.
On this basis, I began to wonder what might be the deep routed issues with Fenwick as it relates to Coach Latapy given Fenwick obsession.
What is motivating Fenwick, is it the need for power as he seems himself as the next coach of the senior national team, and in order to so do, he needs to ensure that Latapy is not provided with the necessary supported to succeed.
So who is the real Terry Fenwick, some known facts that is in the public domain about the man.
He is and English Football coach and former player at various levels of the game.
He holds the English record for most yellow cards, three (3) in a single world cup tournament.
Infamous for being passed by Diego Maradona, as Maradona scored the goal of the century.
He was arrested, convicted and serves prison time in September 1991 for drunk driving.
He managed Northampton Town to its worse record and was fired after 7 games.
He withheld his players form national team practice, so Latapy would not have his schedule planned coaching sessions.
All of Fenwicks posturing and comments have been so adverse, one wonders what value, if any, he brings to the life of his players at Jabloteh. He is of no value to our people.
Colin Simpson- Tobago.
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I think Terry really took a personal interest in Latas .When his players where asked to practice with the team and he came along . What he saw that day maybe shook him to the core ,cause hes way more worried than ever before .And hes right .
And for all foreign based Terry .probably way more Trini than us by now .
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in d land of picong i surprise trinis so sensitive an sorf
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in d land of picong i surprise trinis so sensitive an sorf
Aye... watch yuh mouth, is ah Tobagonian who write dat.
Brownsugar ent allyuh want de recognition? :D
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Over the past year, I have been monitoring the comments and tone of Terry Fenwick as he continually wage a campaign of unrelenting verbal attacks on Hear coach Russell Latapy.
That is an exaggeration, otherwise this website in de same boat too. :devil:
He withheld his players form national team practice, so Latapy would not have his schedule planned coaching sessions.
What is motivating Fenwick, is it the need for power as he seems himself as the next coach of the senior national team, and in order to so do, he needs to ensure that Latapy is not provided with the necessary supported to succeed.
Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football (http://www.socawarriors.net/mens-senior-team/7096-fenwick-disturbed-over-direction-of-tat-national-football.html)
The T&TFF is not doing their bit in providing professional and competent support for Russell as national coach. So we are not giving him a chance. We recently saw Marvin Faustin, a nice guy, recruited as assistant coach but now we have not one, but two very inexperienced coaches with no real programme going forward.
My comments are not meant to offend but merely extend an opinion on a professional basis. When it all turns sour for Russell, the T&TFF will undoubtedly turn to Dwight Yorke as the next step. Only when these two national heroes have ruined their coaching careers will the T&TFF look further than the end of their noses. I think it is very unfair on both Russell and Dwight to be exposed in this way. I believe Russell is doing the job for all the right reasons but is ill equipped to succeed. I think we should be doing much better than we are at every level...unfortunately inexperience and lack of competence at management level will have us fall short in meaningful competitions.
All of Fenwicks posturing and comments have been so adverse, one wonders what value, if any, he brings to the life of his players at Jabloteh. He is of no value to our people.
Are the comments unfounded or inaccurate?
With what has gone on with the national senior team since 2006, do you really expect anything other than adverse comments?
What posturing yuh talking bout?
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Fenwick sounds the same as we do.
Tallman ah have wuk for yuh. Which of our coaches has the worst record?
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Another race fueled post... "Who is de white englishman to be talking about Russell so"
Ignorance of the highest level.... I think more people agree with Terry's view and comments than disagree
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This sound like Michael McComie wrote this.
And all them incident happened 20 years ago, so who cares, people makes mistakes and learn from it.
Latapy have no back bone and allow the TTFF to run him over. He don't stand up for his players, he working them and they have not been paid since the Chile game, Latapy working for free to.
And Latapy if you read this, please go and learn to coach, you are killing our football, because you are to soft.
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Tallman ah have wuk for yuh. Which of our coaches has the worst record?
For coaches who were in charge for at least 10 games, dat honor goes to Rene Simoes, who had a 2-6-2 record. Then Wim with 6-8-4, then Latas with 9-11-3.
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too too
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What has Fenwick achieved with Jabloteh outside of Trinidad? Fenwick has shown a knack for picking and grooming young talent. That warrants him talking about the youth teams. If Fenwick really cared about our football he can start formulating a plan to develop young talent. Let him work with coaches in the North South East, West and Tobago. Let them start screening and developing young players to feed into the Jabloteh system. Start a zonal based tournament. Heck make a reality show with youth being chosen for Jabloteh youth teams. This would expose TV viewers to coaching techniques and drills. Long term look to invite team from region and keep expanding till it reaches a stage where the final phase competition would be worth scouting by big clubs. This would be more productive than bumping his gum.
Until Jabloteh make a splash in CONCACAF he need to only be offering positive advice and comments.
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With very little games and half something tournys like panam games etc i dont see why fenwick can't get a try, besides the man knows local players and the pro league... What we got to lose? Latapy have us Cyprus level! We collect four at home.. man it can't get worse than this.
Men bawling wonder goal beat we against grenada LOL! We scored a "wonder goal" to beat Martinque, otherwise my predictions would be spot on!
i Said it once and maybe with all the bickering ppl missed it, the team needs a captain with leadership qualities that can interact, co-ordinate and organise the flow of play or control it in the middle or defense. Pick one.
We too disorganised that is why we can't have a forward holding player like anelka etc so keon is useless unless he is a winger in which he can't cross properly dont know why.. anyways i am out nite ..
With Latas squad, Baptiste or Julius should be wearing the captains armband at least Noel.. or just stick with bleeder..
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What has Fenwick achieved with Jabloteh outside of Trinidad? Fenwick has shown a knack for picking and grooming young talent. That warrants him talking about the youth teams. If Fenwick really cared about our football he can start formulating a plan to develop young talent. Let him work with coaches in the North South East, West and Tobago. Let them start screening and developing young players to feed into the Jabloteh system. Start a zonal based tournament. Heck make a reality show with youth being chosen for Jabloteh youth teams. This would expose TV viewers to coaching techniques and drills. Long term look to invite team from region and keep expanding till it reaches a stage where the final phase competition would be worth scouting by big clubs. This would be more productive than bumping his gum.
Until Jabloteh make a splash in CONCACAF he need to only be offering positive advice and comments.
Why does it matter what he or Jabloteh have achieved? Is either his comments are valid or not.
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in d land of picong i surprise trinis so sensitive an sorf
Aye... watch yuh mouth, is ah Tobagonian who write dat.
Brownsugar ent allyuh want de recognition? :D
Dat Simpson fella have to be a kakahole......ah going to pass ah decree to have him exiled from the island..... ;D ;D
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What has Fenwick achieved with Jabloteh outside of Trinidad? Fenwick has shown a knack for picking and grooming young talent. That warrants him talking about the youth teams. If Fenwick really cared about our football he can start formulating a plan to develop young talent. Let him work with coaches in the North South East, West and Tobago. Let them start screening and developing young players to feed into the Jabloteh system. Start a zonal based tournament. Heck make a reality show with youth being chosen for Jabloteh youth teams. This would expose TV viewers to coaching techniques and drills. Long term look to invite team from region and keep expanding till it reaches a stage where the final phase competition would be worth scouting by big clubs. This would be more productive than bumping his gum.
Until Jabloteh make a splash in CONCACAF he need to only be offering positive advice and comments.
Why does it matter what he or Jabloteh have achieved? Is either his comments are valid or not.
Well said tallman!!!
You know I wonder about some of these posters please think before you post!!!!
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Colin Simpson yuh too sorf.
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Tallman ah have wuk for yuh. Which of our coaches has the worst record?
For coaches who were in charge for at least 10 games, dat honor goes to Rene Simoes, who had a 2-6-2 record. Then Wim with 6-8-4, then Latas with 9-11-3.
Interesting. Jamaica's most successfull coach ever Rene Simoes is T&T's worst coach ever. :o
Whats the message here?
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Tallman ah have wuk for yuh. Which of our coaches has the worst record?
For coaches who were in charge for at least 10 games, dat honor goes to Rene Simoes, who had a 2-6-2 record. Then Wim with 6-8-4, then Latas with 9-11-3.
Interesting. Jamaica's most successfull coach ever Rene Simoes did very well as coach of Jamaica, then goes south to T&T where he was their worst ever coach. :o
Whats the message here?
that you is a trolling c*nt
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Tallman ah have wuk for yuh. Which of our coaches has the worst record?
For coaches who were in charge for at least 10 games, dat honor goes to Rene Simoes, who had a 2-6-2 record. Then Wim with 6-8-4, then Latas with 9-11-3.
Interesting. Jamaica's most successfull coach ever Rene Simoes did very well as coach of Jamaica, then goes south to T&T where he was their worst ever coach. :o
Whats the message here?
that you is a trolling c*nt
flawless
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Tallman ah have wuk for yuh. Which of our coaches has the worst record?
For coaches who were in charge for at least 10 games, dat honor goes to Rene Simoes, who had a 2-6-2 record. Then Wim with 6-8-4, then Latas with 9-11-3.
Interesting. Jamaica's most successfull coach ever Rene Simoes is T&T's worst coach ever. :o
Whats the message here?
Take into consideration quality of opposition played against!
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Another race fueled post... "Who is de white englishman to be talking about Russell so"
Ignorance of the highest level.... I think more people agree with Terry's view and comments than disagree
It works both ways. His skin colour and nationality actually give him a voice in our (TT) society as well. Not saying that his comments are innaccurate but let's face it, Terry Fenwick is a joke in England when you talk to football heads about team managers- he's a joke.
Also I didn't hear the guy mention skin colour in his post. If you disagree with him that's one thing but I don't see the basis for what you're saying. Do you even know what race Colin Simpson is? Based on his points it sounds like he would have raised them regardless of what TF's skin colour was.... So you tell me who is pulling the race card here....him or you?
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To answer the question - Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy?
Because Latapy is the national team coach and the man is a sports writer reporting on the national team! Duh :P
Read the English press, and you would see the scrutiny coaches' performances receive. Fenwick not doing anything that commentators and writers around the world don't do everyday. And as Tallman said, the man's assessments are logical and make sense.
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Tallman ah have wuk for yuh. Which of our coaches has the worst record?
For coaches who were in charge for at least 10 games, dat honor goes to Rene Simoes, who had a 2-6-2 record. Then Wim with 6-8-4, then Latas with 9-11-3.
Thanks.
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What has Fenwick achieved with Jabloteh outside of Trinidad? Fenwick has shown a knack for picking and grooming young talent. That warrants him talking about the youth teams. If Fenwick really cared about our football he can start formulating a plan to develop young talent. Let him work with coaches in the North South East, West and Tobago. Let them start screening and developing young players to feed into the Jabloteh system. Start a zonal based tournament. Heck make a reality show with youth being chosen for Jabloteh youth teams. This would expose TV viewers to coaching techniques and drills. Long term look to invite team from region and keep expanding till it reaches a stage where the final phase competition would be worth scouting by big clubs. This would be more productive than bumping his gum.
Until Jabloteh make a splash in CONCACAF he need to only be offering positive advice and comments.
Why does it matter what he or Jabloteh have achieved? Is either his comments are valid or not.
Well said tallman!!!
You know I wonder about some of these posters please think before you post!!!!
I thought it out before I post.
How do we determine if his comments are valid unless we look at what he has achieved. By their fruits you would recognize them. All Trini clubs look amature in CONCACAF Chanmpionships. The problem with Trinis is we like to talk and listen to old talk. Latapy put himself in a bad spot because he had no previous track record for us to judge him on. Fenwick have one. He got fired after 7 games in England. Come trini to be a big fish in small pond. When he leave Trini pond and go out what happens? How do we know that is not the team that can't follow Latas instructions? Spotting and developing talent does not qualify you as a good coach. What is the sense fighting down Latas in the media if he not willing to step up and offer his services.
Latas never developed the defensive side of his game. If he never saw the need as a player how can he now teach defense as a coach? By their fruits you would recognize them.
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Why does it matter what he or Jabloteh have achieved? Is either his comments are valid or not.
It does matter because his commentary is flavored with opinions and some degree of subjectivity- not just facts.
If it was purely factual, then it doesn't matter. But the opinion of a successful expert will always be granted more credence than the opinion of someone whose competence is questionable.
Also some will argue that he has an axe to grind- that could taint the objectiveness of his opinion.
btw...I'm not saying that his comments were not valid. I'm just saying that people are entitled to critique his record when assessing his opinion.
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this is what I doh unnerstan with Trinidadians and Tobagonians. I have never met Fenwick and don't prefess to speak for him...but some of allyuh being disingenious but the man is ah Trini and we need to stop thinking about him in terms of race or country of origin. He may not have been born in T&T but certainly carries a love for the country and because he is passionate about the sport he played professionally he has shown that he cares about our football too. What else does the man have to do to prove that?
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this is what I doh unnerstan with Trinidadians and Tobagonians. I have never met Fenwick and don't prefess to speak for him...but some of allyuh being disingenious but the man is ah Trini and we need to stop thinking about him in terms of race or country of origin. He may not have been born in T&T but certainly carries a love for the country and because he is passionate about the sport he played professionally he has shown that he cares about our football too. What else does the man have to do to prove that?
:thumbsup:
He's no different to Birchall!
Only difference he's a coach as opposed to a player!
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Why does it matter what he or Jabloteh have achieved? Is either his comments are valid or not.
It does matter because his commentary is flavored with opinions and some degree of subjectivity- not just facts.
If it was purely factual, then it doesn't matter. But the opinion of a successful expert will always be granted more credence than the opinion of someone whose competence is questionable.
Also some will argue that he has an axe to grind- that could taint the objectiveness of his opinion.
btw...I'm not saying that his comments were not valid. I'm just saying that people are entitled to critique his record when assessing his opinion.
The only thing that matters is whether he's qualified to provide the level of analysis he offers. Yes success adds to the credibility of the analysis since it supports the notion that the critic knows what he's talking about, but coaching success isn't a requirement to offering credible criticism. Any number of factors affects the bottomline of winning or losing, often it has nothing to do with knowledge of the respective games.
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The only thing that matters is whether he's qualified to provide the level of analysis he offers. Yes success adds to the credibility of the analysis since it supports the notion that the critic knows what he's talking about, but coaching success isn't a requirement to offering credible criticism. Any number of factors affects the bottomline of winning or losing, often it has nothing to do with knowledge of the respective games.
word...I hear you.
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Why does it matter what he or Jabloteh have achieved? Is either his comments are valid or not.
It does matter because his commentary is flavored with opinions and some degree of subjectivity- not just facts.
If it was purely factual, then it doesn't matter. But the opinion of a successful expert will always be granted more credence than the opinion of someone whose competence is questionable.
Also some will argue that he has an axe to grind- that could taint the objectiveness of his opinion.
btw...I'm not saying that his comments were not valid. I'm just saying that people are entitled to critique his record when assessing his opinion.
Kicker yuh say alot of nutten there.
Fenwick work in an environment where getting the best players in the country is dependent on what his employers can afford or willing to spend. The National Coach position has the ability to call ANY player he/she/it deems the best in the country. So to equate Fenwick acheivement with Latapy acheivements with the National team is more different than similar.
To critique Fenwick observation on the national team with his club acheivement is like Wenger being chastised for criticizing Capello when Arsenal hasn't won anything in recent times. His acheievement or lack thereof cannot or should negate his observations on the National team.
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Tallman ah have wuk for yuh. Which of our coaches has the worst record?
For coaches who were in charge for at least 10 games, dat honor goes to Rene Simoes, who had a 2-6-2 record. Then Wim with 6-8-4, then Latas with 9-11-3.
Interesting. Jamaica's most successfull coach ever Rene Simoes did very well as coach of Jamaica, then goes south to T&T where he was their worst ever coach. :o
Whats the message here?
that you is a trolling c*nt
ooohhh guuuuddd!!! Ball lorse umpire.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Kicker yuh say alot of nutten there.
Fenwick work in an environment where getting the best players in the country is dependent on what his employers can afford or willing to spend. The National Coach position has the ability to call ANY player he/she/it deems the best in the country. So to equate Fenwick acheivement with Latapy acheivements with the National team is more different than similar.
To critique Fenwick observation on the national team with his club acheivement is like Wenger being chastised for criticizing Capello when Arsenal hasn't won anything in recent times. His acheievement or lack thereof cannot or should negate his observations on the National team.
I don't disagree, and like I said I'm not saying that what he is saying is not valid....but if he's opining on stuff where based on his record, accomplishments, his resume etc, some people think he's not really in a position to opine as an experienced person/expert, then I think it's ok for people to critique him or even partially discredit him... Any diligent person could conduct the appropriate research and speak theoretical ideals...the reason why pundits are usually from the field is because they've often stood in the shoes of their subject matter... Let's be honest, people on this board don't only appreciate TF's views because of what he's saying, but also because they trust his perspective based on his background and experience....If some people's assessment of his backgrond and his experience doesn't yield the same level of trust, then I think that's fair as well...whether we agree or not.
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Eh Eh..anti Fenwick critiquers...perspective
so why plenty ppl on here so obsessed with Jack & Camps, and other officials...they ever hold ah FIFA post, run ah TT football league, run ah Football Federation, have to represent ah country at anything, play for ah big side, run ah government Ministry, run ah Multi-Million dollar organization ? why ppl critique/protest governmental decrees, they every run a country, ah region, ah city, ah household....eh eh, ppl have opinions on how the ppl they supposedly have chosen to represent them actually represent, and though not all will agree or disagree, each allowed to voice their pleasure or displeasure, and the common consensus reigns supreme, in the meanwhile every opinion must be considered...Fenwick also has vested interest in TT football, he coaches at what is supposed to be the highest level in the country, he as all others in similar positions should most definately have access to all the ears that have the same interest that is TT football as he ..wheter he is, was or would be ah successful or failed coach....actually voting/ hiring/ campaigning for him is a seperate issue, but he have more rights to comment and critique more than many, if not everyone, who actually post here...that includes even the respected highly experienced on the board...cause he actually works and makes a living in the Kitchen(country), trying to develop - properly or not - some of those same National players...it can be argued, has Latapy ever done as much ?
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I don't disagree, and like I said I'm not saying that what he is saying is not valid....but if he's opining on stuff where based on his record, accomplishments, his resume etc, some people think he's not really in a position to opine as an experienced person/expert, then I think it's ok for people to critique him or even partially discredit him... Any diligent person could conduct the appropriate research and speak theoretical ideals...the reason why pundits are usually from the field is because they've often stood in the shoes of their subject matter... Let's be honest, people on this board don't only appreciate TF's views because of what he's saying, but also because they trust his perspective based on his background and experience....If some people's assessment of his backgrond and his experience doesn't yield the same level of trust, then I think that's fair as well...whether we agree or not.
I think yuh absolutely right in what yuh saying... generally speaking. I don't think the criticism of Fenwick is appropriate in our case because he's played and coached on bigger stages than anything we have ever experienced or have to offer. In other words he's not out of his depth in his criticism or analysis.
These aren't world class players, playing in an established system, under an experienced, veteran coach. If you had such players, in such a system, under such a coach then you could say at least Latas know what he doing, things just ent working. Me eh know big time football expert but even I can see that Latapy only doing ad hoc managing.
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oh boy...... Jabloteh get knock out today........next thing u see latapy writing up on fennick tomorrow. :P
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oh boy...... Jabloteh get knock out today........next thing u see latapy writing up on fennick tomorrow. :P
YEAH RIGHT
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oh boy...... Jabloteh get knock out today........next thing u see latapy writing up on fennick tomorrow. :P
You sure, because I saw Jabloteh beat Joe Public 2-0 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=51981.msg711355#msg711355) and JP was the one getting knocked out !!! .. 8)
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oh boy...... Jabloteh get knock out today........next thing u see latapy writing up on fennick tomorrow. :P
You sure, because I saw Jabloteh beat Joe Public 2-0 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=51981.msg711355#msg711355) and JP was the one getting knocked out !!! .. 8)
oops ......maybe i heard wrong or Francesca read it wrong in the news. :-[
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oh boy...... Jabloteh get knock out today........next thing u see latapy writing up on fennick tomorrow. :P
You sure, because I saw Jabloteh beat Joe Public 2-0 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=51981.msg711355#msg711355) and JP was the one getting knocked out !!! .. 8)
oops ......maybe i heard wrong or Francesca read it wrong in the news. :-[
Yuh was quick to come and say yuh thing eh !!!
This article have no value..
Fenwick was reporting things we all have been saying here all the time.
Mr Colin Simpson probably is a make up name and some one of Latas family worte this senseless editorial.
Latapy needs help as a coach, he went Martinique to party with them two young ladies he took, he didn't go to coach a team, if you dont repsect yourself and lead by example, how will the players respect you ?
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Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy.
Over the past year, I have been monitoring the comments and tone of Terry Fenwick as he continually wage a campaign of unrelenting verbal attacks on Hear coach Russell Latapy.
On this basis, I began to wonder what might be the deep routed issues with Fenwick as it relates to Coach Latapy given Fenwick obsession.
What is motivating Fenwick, is it the need for power as he seems himself as the next coach of the senior national team, and in order to so do, he needs to ensure that Latapy is not provided with the necessary supported to succeed.
So who is the real Terry Fenwick, some known facts that is in the public domain about the man.
He is and English Football coach and former player at various levels of the game.
He holds the English record for most yellow cards, three (3) in a single world cup tournament.
Infamous for being passed by Diego Maradona, as Maradona scored the goal of the century.
He was arrested, convicted and serves prison time in September 1991 for drunk driving.
He managed Northampton Town to its worse record and was fired after 7 games.
He withheld his players form national team practice, so Latapy would not have his schedule planned coaching sessions.
All of Fenwicks posturing and comments have been so adverse, one wonders what value, if any, he brings to the life of his players at Jabloteh. He is of no value to our people.
Colin Simpson- Tobago.
What kinda dotish article is this? Fenwick ain't have to say nuttin bout Latapy job performance. Latapy saying it all.
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How many coaches in the TT Pro League currently hold coaching license of any kind other than Terry Fenwick?
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How many coaches in the TT Pro League currently hold coaching license of any kind other than Terry Fenwick?
one of the criteria of being a Head Coach in the pro league is that you must have a coaching licence.
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How many coaches in the TT Pro League currently hold coaching license of any kind other than Terry Fenwick?
one of the criteria of being a Head Coach in the pro league is that you must have a coaching licence.
What level license? Plus there's differences between license, diploma and certificate.
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How many coaches in the TT Pro League currently hold coaching license of any kind other than Terry Fenwick?
one of the criteria of being a Head Coach in the pro league is that you must have a coaching licence.
What level license? Plus there's differences between license, diploma and certificate.
One of the reason why I asked that question is that I saw a couple games Joe Public played in the recently concluded concacaf tournament where they looked absolutely clueless and weak. Their coach was clearly out classed and out of his mind. He didn't have a game plan. How can you look that bad? Does Mr. King have any type of license?
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But who is de Asian sensation (Woo Ling), or is this another Jagdeosingh???
This kid is quality... went to Sunderland the other day through the digicel John Barnes thing
My neighbour is one of the kids I coach at QPCC and he plays on the u14 Fatima team with him... so I've followed their games while supporting my QPCC boys and I've always heard good things but he is on a next level.. his technique is on a different level and he is both footed ..plays CM.. very agressive and very smart for a 14 year old.. has a great shot with both feet...scores goals for fun....vision and passing range very high quality too
definitely one for the future if he keeps his head on and continues to develop at the rate he is then he will be a great prospect... he is a very down to earth kid too.. didnt get a hint of arrogance or anything.
Small Mag. since it looks like you know the family. Is Melissa and Stephenie Woo Ling his sisters? And how come they were not part of the girls WC team?
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PAZ 7254
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Fenwick tells Bradbury to ignore 'detractors'
By Ian Wadley (Bournemouth Echo)
MENTOR Terry Fenwick tipped Lee Bradbury to succeed in the harsh world of football management and urged his former protg: Be your own man.
The ex-England defender handed Bradbury his chance in the professional ranks when he signed him for Portsmouth in 1995.
He recognised the now rookie Cherries managers potential and ended up selling him to Manchester City for 3million to help ease Pompeys money worries.
Bradbury worked under an estimated total of 25 managers including legendary figures such as Terry Venables and Harry Redknapp during a distinguished career, but he last month ranked Fenwick among his favourites.
The former QPR and Tottenham full-back, who earned 20 international caps, is now in charge of San Juan Jabloteh in Trinidad and Tobago and was last night set to lead his team in a major cup final.
Having managed Portsmouth and, briefly, Northampton Town, Fenwick is well aware of the difficulties facing bosses in the British game and he highlighted the perils of poor results.
But he thinks Bradbury, who was last week appointed permanent successor to Eddie Howe at Dean Court, should be well equipped to cope with the challenges.
Speaking to the Echo from Trinidad, Fenwick said: I think making the transition into management is extremely hard, particularly in England, hence why Im out here in Trinidad and Tobago.
Its not easier here but you get time to show your abilities and sculpt the sort of team and club that you want.
Unfortunately, I dont think that happens in the UK. It is very cut and dried. You either win games and survive or you are out of the door.
That is the harsh reality of British football.
Lee is very strong minded, though.
Hell have his own ideas and will have picked up a lot from the coaches he has had over the years.
If he has made his notes and jotted down the things he sees as positives from the people he has worked under, he should have plenty in the tank to make a success of it.
Asked what advice he would pass on, Fenwick said: Be your own man, which he is.
Dont take too much notice of the detractors on the outside, which he will get. There will be those that will be waiting for him to stumble.
Hes just got to keep his head down and do the things that are right for the team and the club.
What I think I always saw in Lee Bradbury was honesty. If he can be as honest in management as he was as a player, I think hes got a great chance of making it.
Reflecting on the Cherries chiefs time at Fratton Park, Fenwick added: He never wanted to cause a flap and was always very professional in his manner, whether it was on the field or socially.
He was an all-round good character and the sort of player that you wanted in and around your team.
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Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
ttproleague.com
San Juan Jabloteh midfielder and team captain Marvin Oliver was sacked on Sunday by head coach Terry Fenwick for his participation in a BGTT/Counselor Zoff Celestine sponsored Tyro Sports Club offseason Bourg Mulatresse (minor)League.
Its unfortunate, said a disappointed Fenwick on Monday morning following his team session which was minus the talented 36 year old Oliver. But he took the chance and paid the price as a consequence.
Fenwick, who was present at the minor-League competition on Sunday afternoon, said he made aware his presence and verbally informed Oliver that his contract was immediately terminated.
Olivers involvement in the minor-League and axing came two days before Tuesdays Digicel Pro Bowl quarterfinal clash against Defence Force which kicks off from 8pm at the Marvin Lee Stadium.
Oliver, the 2007 Toyota/Pro League Player of the Year, joined Jabloteh from neighbouring rivals Caledonia AIA in 2008 and in the 2010 received warning of his involvement in minor-Leagues as a professional player.
Oliver was fined and temporarily stripped of the captains armband for appearing as player/coach in the Bourg Mulatresse minor-League along with a three other Jabloteh players.
I wrapped his knuckles, (then), and told him he needs to be more responsible, said Fenwick.
It might be very late in the season with a (Digicel Pro Bowl) title to play for, but this is a guy that I have great respect for and wanted to prepare him for coaching because at 36, he was coming to the end of his playing career. He will give a good fight in every game but the discipline isn't there.
In addition the national Under-20 quartet, Sheldon Bateau, Jerrel Britto, Johan Peltier and Cordell Cato, who are currently on tour in Colombia will miss the match. Despite their absence Fenwick was still optimistic about his team a win and said, We were the first team to defeat them during the season and we intend to be the last local team to do so this season, boasted Fenwick.
It doesnt matter who you are, if you dont have discipline than you cant fit in. And I am willing to give the young lads who want the chance and hold a much better level of discipline, ended Fenwick.
(http://www.ttproleague.com/images/stories/Domestic_News/oliveraxe.jpg)
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Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
ttproleague.com
I wrapped his knuckles, (then), and told him he needs to be more responsible, said Fenwick.
Fenwick name Ferdie Pacheco or what, lol
"rapped"
Man have to eat I suppose.... but that's the price you pay.
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Since this is not the first time Fenwick do this, and Oliver know how Fenwick is...ah giving Oliver the benefit of the doubt that he do it on purpose to get out he contract. Why else he would do something that he know Fenwick will get rid of him for ???
If yuh want ah gig on the side then why not open up ah lil youth camp and coach...charge ah small fee. Try something that ent gonna get yuh fired
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Deja-vu ???
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Since this is not the first time Fenwick do this, and Oliver know how Fenwick is...ah giving Oliver the benefit of the doubt that he do it on purpose to get out he contract. Why else he would do something that he know Fenwick will get rid of him for ???
If yuh want ah gig on the side then why not open up ah lil youth camp and coach...charge ah small fee. Try something that ent gonna get yuh fired
All he could have done is just asked to be released ....
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AGAIN
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The Pro league getting better.
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The TTFF should also find a way to fine the "minor" league clubs that these professional players play for. And also the sponsors of these minor leagues. Firing the players from their clubs isnt enough!
This is killing our game and it needs to be stamped out.
I say they should create a stipulation whereby only if a player is given permission by his club can he participate in a minor league competition!!
ah love it!!
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The TTFF should also find a way to fine the "minor" league clubs that these professional players play for. And also the sponsors of these minor leagues. Firing the players from their clubs isnt enough!
This is killing our game and it needs to be stamped out.
I say they should create a stipulation whereby only if a player is given permission by his club can he participate in a minor league competition!!
ah love it!!
How could the TTFF fine a Minor league club,it have no constitution,rules etc etc that controls a Minor league,FIFA,TTFF,CONCACAF etc has no control over a Minor league,these leagues could be here today and gone tomorrow.
Since when Minor league Football killing our game,Minor league has always been our roots,it's where all our great/best players started or came from,stamping it out is what going to kill Football.Minor league is what brings us all together,it's community,neighborhoods,people etc Football has died in certain areas in the country because the best Minor leagues are no more and if the Minor leagues go the Major leagues will also go.
I think is a matter of discipline on the part of players in the country,weather they want to be Pros or not and not blame the leagues,does England,France,Germany etc have that problem?we always want to compare ourselves with the rest of the world keep blameing JW and don't grow up.
The bottom line is they can't stop Minor league anywhere,it's what the average people that like the game look forward too.
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The TTFF should also find a way to fine the "minor" league clubs that these professional players play for. And also the sponsors of these minor leagues. Firing the players from their clubs isnt enough!
This is killing our game and it needs to be stamped out.
I say they should create a stipulation whereby only if a player is given permission by his club can he participate in a minor league competition!!
ah love it!!
How could the TTFF fine a Minor league club,it have no constitution,rules etc etc that controls a Minor league,FIFA,TTFF,CONCACAF etc has no control over a Minor league,these leagues could be here today and gone tomorrow.
Since when Minor league Football killing our game,Minor league has always been our roots,it's where all our great/best players started or came from,stamping it out is what going to kill Football.Minor league is what brings us all together,it's community,neighborhoods,people etc Football has died in certain areas in the country because the best Minor leagues are no more and if the Minor leagues go the Major leagues will also go.
I think is a matter of discipline on the part of players in the country,weather they want to be Pros or not and not blame the leagues,does England,France,Germany etc have that problem?we always want to compare ourselves with the rest of the world keep blameing JW and don't grow up.
The bottom line is they can't stop Minor league anywhere,it's what the average people that like the game look forward too.
Well said Coops....
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The money must have been good.
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If oliver want to take a sweat that is he business.
If Fenwick wants to cut him that is he business.
Everybody is big man and can do what they want.
Just live with the concequences.
The man is 37 years old and has never been a professional by any stretch of the imagination.
Some men does have to sweat on a regular to keep they touches.
At the end of the day Oliver can take he sweat and show up the next morning and play the pants off whoever replacing him in the Jabloteh roster.
And as a result either Jabloteh or a next team will pick him up
Becuase the only thing that matters is Standard of Play.
Discipline is on paper the game is played on the field.
Look at Dwarika he still on rosters cannot run around the block but still on Roster
Why
because he can play.
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It does say something about the league and the player that he would risk his contract to play for a minor league team. But discipline is essential for a true professional and he deserves to lose his contract.
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I agree with Coops sentiment. I agree that it is a lack of discipline. But the reality is that they proplayers are not making enough money. They are money-lighting. Yes they are wrong becuase they sign a contract with the club but the money is not enough. Don't compare them with the Epl. The money is not the same.
The PFl has gov't sponsored teams. These players get a regular salaries, pension and health insurance. If they get drop from the football team, it is more than likely they will continue working there. I do not know what the salary scale, compensation and benefits are in the PFL. At one time when Jab had full sponsorship from CLICO, I can't remember Jab. players moonlighting. But since CLICO generous funding gone, Jab scrunting like the rest. Right now it appears that only Connection and JP public are the teams that paying their players a reasonable salary that will entice them not stray to the minor league.
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If oliver want to take a sweat that is he business.
If Fenwick wants to cut him that is he business.
Everybody is big man and can do what they want.
Just live with the concequences.
The man is 37 years old and has never been a professional by any stretch of the imagination.
Some men does have to sweat on a regular to keep they touches.
At the end of the day Oliver can take he sweat and show up the next morning and play the pants off whoever replacing him in the Jabloteh roster.
And as a result either Jabloteh or a next team will pick him up
Becuase the only thing that matters is Standard of Play.
Discipline is on paper the game is played on the field.
Look at Dwarika he still on rosters cannot run around the block but still on Roster
Why
because he can play.
Daiz level madness they KND.
Next thing is players don't have to training if they rel good.
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I would only venture into TT pro league if I have a lot of money down pack. I would not be hoping investures comming with money. If you paying players a decent and or above working salary they would have no cause to moonlight. Then you can read them the riot act. I understand where Marvin coming from but Fenwick right. And TTFF can't do anything to the minor league if any player want to play there. They can ban the player from playing in the TTFF league, but they can't do the league anything.
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i a big fan of marvin, love to watch de man play ball... but he neva had de discipline is every year de man playing in these minor thing, i know when he use to play in de cantaro league was neva bout no money, de man use to play for beers, i remember sitting on de block with these men and they blazing real weed and talking bout de pro games for next day
2 men i wish cuda rep trini was marvin and marlon warner, but both men want it dat bad.
all de best in the future bro, i know a next pro team will pick u up ( not sure if thats a good thing for de game though)
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If d powers dat b do away wit d pro league and throw some money behind all d minor leagues in d country, we football go improve.
Trinis like to sweat for 3,4 days in d week and play a match on d weekend. We aint into dis trainin every day ting.
Let teams from d eddie hart and ting pay dey players a lil 2 or 300 a game and crowds go be larger, sponsors could get more advertising utility and d football go b nicer
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The TTFF should also find a way to fine the "minor" league clubs that these professional players play for. And also the sponsors of these minor leagues. Firing the players from their clubs isnt enough!
This is killing our game and it needs to be stamped out.
I say they should create a stipulation whereby only if a player is given permission by his club can he participate in a minor league competition!!
ah love it!!
How could the TTFF fine a Minor league club,it have no constitution,rules etc etc that controls a Minor league,FIFA,TTFF,CONCACAF etc has no control over a Minor league,these leagues could be here today and gone tomorrow.
Since when Minor league Football killing our game,Minor league has always been our roots,it's where all our great/best players started or came from,stamping it out is what going to kill Football.Minor league is what brings us all together,it's community,neighborhoods,people etc Football has died in certain areas in the country because the best Minor leagues are no more and if the Minor leagues go the Major leagues will also go.
I think is a matter of discipline on the part of players in the country,weather they want to be Pros or not and not blame the leagues,does England,France,Germany etc have that problem?we always want to compare ourselves with the rest of the world keep blameing JW and don't grow up.
The bottom line is they can't stop Minor league anywhere,it's what the average people that like the game look forward too.
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The real issue here is that the Minor Leagues are exposing themselves to legal problems by allowing contracted players to play. If one were to suffer injury while playing that players club would certainly be within their right to seek compensation for the loss.
I imagine the Pro League might even encourage the club to take legal action, even though the minor league would more than likely be unable to pay such compensation, if only as a means gain leverage or perhaps set a precedent for future litigation.
Pro clubs in Europe seek compensation when their players are hurt on international duty do you think for a second that they wouldn't do the same to a minor league? Maybe that's why this isn't an issue there.
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The real issue here is that the Minor Leagues are exposing themselves to legal problems by allowing contracted players to play. If one were to suffer injury while playing that players club would certainly be within their right to seek compensation for the loss.
I imagine the Pro League might even encourage the club to take legal action, even though the minor league would more than likely be unable to pay such compensation, if only as a means gain leverage or perhaps set a precedent for future litigation.
Pro clubs in Europe seek compensation when their players are hurt on international duty do you think for a second that they wouldn't do the same to a minor league? Maybe that's why this isn't an issue there.
The analogy is flawed... FIFA mandates that clubs make available their players and so the clubs are forced to comply. Principles of equity (fairness) require that if the club then suffers some sort of loss to their interests (via injury to the player), then the country Federation owes compensation to the club, who are still obligated to pay the salary of the injured player.
With the situation in the Pro League, clubs are not obligated to pay the salary of a player who is injured while partaking in some forbidden activity. This is standard in all professional sports. Many NBA teams for instance, have clauses written into their contract with players prohibiting them from riding motorcycles (see Jay Williams and the Chicago Bulls). Engaging in a prohibited activity is a voidable breach of contract.
The 'minor' leagues are free welcome Pro League footballers since those footballers are free to work for whomever they please... even if they are already under contract to a team. The Club however has the right to seek enforcement of its exclusive rights to the player's services by taking the player to court. Clubs have however settled on a simpler solution... termination of contract. The minor leagues have nutten to do with that... whatever risks the player decides to take he's free to take it.
To be honest these players don't realize the liabilty (say nothing of the risk of injury) they are exposing themselves to. If a club really wanted they could sue the player... ex. if Jab have to replace Oliver with a more expensive player, Oliver easily could end up owing the club the difference. It's like me hiring you to paint my house for $400 and halfway thru you decide to ride out. If I have replace you with a man charging $600 (say for instance cost for painting houses have since gone up, or because this man have to rush to finish the job by a deadline so he charging more)... I could turn around and sue you for $200 in damages.
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Bakes,
Thank for clarifying the legal slant to this situation. I feel Marvin wrong and Fenwick right.
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Bakes,
Thank for clarifying the legal slant to this situation. I feel Marvin wrong and Fenwick right.
No problem :beermug:
Whether Marvin "wrong" is a matter of perspective, after all if the man do it out of necessity then can't really fault him, man must eat. There's no question though that Fenwick is well within his rights, legally and on principle, to terminate the contract.
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I really doubt it was out of necessity. I more believe like KND was saying,, if you sit down wid these fellas, they all bout football more so than the professionalism of it. To that- a man might say.. "boy F$%k away wid Terry and dem man yes. I is a baller and man should be able to play a lil ball in the community. We tend to only look at the big things but small things matter as well and most times even more. Bring the football back to the communities and it will probably go a long way into solving this problem. Hard luck dey Marvelous but then again I guess luck had nothing to do with it. When an athlete joins the professional ranks it comes along with stipulations. Mike Tyson cya just cuff down anybody. He gets a different charge and so did Marvelous Marvin when he decided to bounce ball in de hood! We sure one team he not making is Defense Force huh? lol
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Thanks Bakes,Deeks and others for making this a liitle more clear for us to understand,this is more serious than some may think because it's affecting our Football for the long as i can remember although it has also played a big part in our development.
I don't know if Marvin is being used as the poster boy for Minor league Football but i feel something just eh right here.I've read many interviews/ideas/suggestions etc on here from Coaches and knowledgeable people in the game and one of the things that often come across to me is the involvement of communities in Football,i often ask myself how or what are the ways we can expect that to happen,if Football don't play in a community how are people going to follow Football,if players don't play in a community how are people going to know them?
Everybody rates NE for the work they are doing with that team,it's often said they are an example for teams to follow and i rightly think so,but how much can you do on your own without being prosecuted being someone who thinks they have authority.I may be wrong but i just want to use an example here{don't kill me} NE had a tournament for the Minor league they run in the community in Grande,all the Pros were invited so that it would lift and add some more attraction to the event,no complaint from anyone everything went well according to plan.
I have come to eventually like and respect Fenwick but i think he has gone a little too far on this one,i think he still has some more to learn about our culture.
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Fenwick right. Marvin could have found many other ways to partake/assist/support the Minor league without playing. He knew the rules & and consequences, and chose to disrespect the coach, who supported/attended btw, the club, and any reasonable professional administrator as well as aspiring youths to the professional ranks..the league should also suspend him.
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I may be wrong but i just want to use an example here{don't kill me} NE had a tournament for the Minor league they run in the community in Grande,all the Pros were invited so that it would lift and add some more attraction to the event,no complaint from anyone everything went well according to plan.
I eh know all de details, but maybe dey got permission. Kinda like when yuh see dem pros playing in charity matches.
I have come to eventually like and respect Fenwick but i think he has gone a little too far on this one,i think he still has some more to learn about our culture.
What more he have tuh learn? Jes last April, he and Marvin had an encounter wit dis minor league ting. It look like Marvin have aspirations tuh be ah coach. Ah wonder how he would handle de situation. What about Jack Warner? He doh understand we culture? Almost 10 years ago he fire Dwarika and Nigel Pierre from Joe Public for de same issue.
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As usual, the devil is in the details! I believe a pro player CAN play in other competitions (charity matches, small goal, fete match) if he has written permission of his club. This is the case anywhere, beit England, Europe, USA. Usually, its the head coach who would decide if the player can take part.
The North East players were given permission to play in the competition because
a) it was a North East community program
b) it helped raised funds for future community projects
c) it promoted North East with their sponsors and could lead to greater support
d) there was a break in Pro League and gave players some competetive football.
Whether Fenwick feels Marvin broke the rules and they needed to be upheld is his decision. The important fact is that a rule was broken by Marvin, thus giving Fenwick the opportunity to end the contract if he so weanted. I guess he wanted!!
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I may be wrong but i just want to use an example here{don't kill me} NE had a tournament for the Minor league they run in the community in Grande,all the Pros were invited so that it would lift and add some more attraction to the event,no complaint from anyone everything went well according to plan.
I eh know all de details, but maybe dey got permission. Kinda like when yuh see dem pros playing in charity matches.
I have come to eventually like and respect Fenwick but i think he has gone a little too far on this one,i think he still has some more to learn about our culture.
What more he have tuh learn? Jes last April, he and Marvin had an encounter wit dis minor league ting. It look like Marvin have aspirations tuh be ah coach. Ah wonder how he would handle de situation. What about Jack Warner? He doh understand we culture? Almost 10 years ago he fire Dwarika and Nigel Pierre from Joe Public for de same issue.
You are correct Fenwick don't have anything more to learn about our culture,it's the reason he does what he wants and gets away with it,multiple fist fights with Coaches and players,tap/slap/kick/cuss and abuse them how and when he feels,he himself has no respect for authority,any how don't worry we like it so.I know JW would eventually get involved.
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You are correct Fenwick don't have anything more to learn about our culture,it's the reason he does what he wants and gets away with it,multiple fist fights with Coaches and players,tap/slap/kick/cuss and abuse them how and when he feels,he himself has no respect for authority,any how don't worry we like it so.I know JW would eventually get involved.
You really baffling when yuh ready yes Coop's.
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You are correct Fenwick don't have anything more to learn about our culture,it's the reason he does what he wants and gets away with it,multiple fist fights with Coaches and players,tap/slap/kick/cuss and abuse them how and when he feels,he himself has no respect for authority,any how don't worry we like it so.I know JW would eventually get involved.
You really baffling when yuh ready yes Coop's.
Especially when he just write...maybe I miss ah hint of sarcasm & get chain-up
I have come to eventually like and respect Fenwick but i think he has gone a little too far on this one,i think he still has some more to learn about our culture.
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You are correct Fenwick don't have anything more to learn about our culture,it's the reason he does what he wants and gets away with it,multiple fist fights with Coaches and players,tap/slap/kick/cuss and abuse them how and when he feels,he himself has no respect for authority,any how don't worry we like it so.I know JW would eventually get involved.
You really baffling when yuh ready yes Coop's.
Especially when he just write...maybe I miss ah hint of sarcasm & get chain-up
I have come to eventually like and respect Fenwick but i think he has gone a little too far on this one,i think he still has some more to learn about our culture.
I really think we as a culture have to learn about being more professional
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Marvin could do well to reduce that amount ah dreads on his head its like de man have 2 heads,surely that must be a hindrance with the extra weight,the man make the late Bob Marley look like ah baldie,cut off some ah dat man.
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You are correct Fenwick don't have anything more to learn about our culture,it's the reason he does what he wants and gets away with it,multiple fist fights with Coaches and players,tap/slap/kick/cuss and abuse them how and when he feels,he himself has no respect for authority,any how don't worry we like it so.I know JW would eventually get involved.
You really baffling when yuh ready yes Coop's.
Especially when he just write...maybe I miss ah hint of sarcasm & get chain-up
I have come to eventually like and respect Fenwick but i think he has gone a little too far on this one,i think he still has some more to learn about our culture.
I really think we as a culture have to learn about being more professional
Fully agree!!
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Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
ttproleague.com
Englishman Terry Fenwick is back in the TT Pro League and brings along the queen, no not Queen Elizabeth III.
In fact, Fenwick has been instrumental in the merging of Pro League club St. Anns Rangers and North Zone outfit QPCC to form Queens Park FC which will line up to challenge title defenders Defence Force in 2011-2012.
The former England international defender continues to exploit his coaching in a society that holds mixed emotions about him.
However certainly boast himself as the current King of coaching with huge managerial success. Fenwick guided San Juan Jabloteh to four(2002, 2003, 2007 and 2008) TT Pro League Championships since arriving in Trinidad back in 2001. He also guided the San Juan club to two FA Trophies, three Pro Bowl titles, one First Citizens Cup and one Toyota Classic. His success also saw the club win the 2003 Caribbean Football Union Club Championship along with participation in three seasons of the CONCACAF Champions League.
Fenwicks contract with Jabloteh was terminated in February of 2011 based on contractual agreements following the withdrawal of club sponsor CLICO, forcing the 51 year old Seaham to hunt new employers.
He now vows to bring success to his new club saying, We(Queens Park FC) have a number of things melting in the pot to make this the best football club in two or three years.
Rangers owner Richard Fakoory has done a fabulous job for over 35 years in local football but just as many clubs with financial difficulties needed to get the support. So bringing the two clubs together, gives us a wonderful opportunity within the Queens Park Ovalthe best facilities in Trinidad and Tobagoto put together winning teams at all levels and thats what we are trying to do one step at a time.
He added, We would like to tap into the corporate [connections] of Queens Park and make sure theyre putting back into Trinidad and Tobago, particularly into guys that are not quite academic as we would like them to be. Keeping them out of trouble; making sure theyre doing the right things; making sure theyre operating in a disciplined environment and helping the younger kids come forward.
Fenwick began screenings last Wednesday and said that already, the enthusiasm shown by players have been excellent.
Top players from around Trinidad want to be part of this, he said. Weve got some terrific players coming in to train with us. And we all know that my teams have always been on the top of local football and we want to continue and start ourselves at that level. We want to knock on the door from first year.
Fenwick who has also been instrumental in a number of foreign contracts of players over the years and is known for throwing young players into the spotlight said, We want a top academy. We want to make sure we get the best kids around Trinidad and Tobago and run the best and most disciplined football operations in the Caribbean.
I know this is going to be the best local academy. Ive already gotten twenty-two players overseas contracts. Thats miles more than any other coach in the country and we aim to double that figure over the coming two to three years here at Queens Park football club, said the ex-English Premier League player.
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All the best, they could achieve alot but for the most immediate future, licks will more than likely be the reality
Fenwick like to work with youths, he should be coaching we youth teams at least. But this venture should be interesting.
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Good luck Queens Park-Rangers!!!!!!!!
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Good luck Queens Park-Rangers!!!!!!!!
NICE ONE!!! ;D
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Good luck Queens Park-Rangers!!!!!!!!
NICE ONE!!! ;D
I think is a catchy name. people can say it is not original. But they themselves said it was a merge with Rangers. So why not QP-R!!!!!
I hope the QP-R admin make a tremendous attempt to woo fans from East and West POS. Not because they and DF are the only game in the town means that they will automatically get fans. They have to earn it. The office has to pound they pavement and convince people that they are worth coming to watch. The only thing QP has going for them is the Oval. It is a small club with a big name and very small fan base in terms of football. They need to change that perception to succeed.
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Good news for the Pro League. It needs big characters like Fenwick and Ince at T&TEC to create interest.
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Good news for the Pro League. It needs big characters like Fenwick and Ince at T&TEC to create interest.
hope so,fixtures out yet?
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Good news for the Pro League. It needs big characters like Fenwick and Ince at T&TEC to create interest.
hope so,fixtures out yet?
Supposedly on August 1st.
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is that Atulla Guerra in the front row with the red top ??
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is that Atulla Guerra in the front row with the red top ??
Isn't that Marvin Oliver stoopin down next to him?? Ah hear dat was Fene first signing at QPR!
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is that Atulla Guerra in the front row with the red top ??
Is definitely not he. De person smiling too much ;D
Ah find it kinda look like Glenroy Samuel.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/DKEXdL05A0c
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is that Atulla Guerra in the front row with the red top ??
Isn't that Marvin Oliver stoopin down next to him?? Ah hear dat was Fene first signing at QPR!
It don't look like Marvin Oliver to me,but on another note i think we need the big name players to elevate the league,i know it's difficult in these times with players getting contracts and scholarships,it's affecting the fan base because these players peeps will definitely come out to see plus it lifts the quality of your games.The major leagues all over the world,without the stars they are no league.
I wish Fenwick all the success in this new venture but he have to cool down a bit.
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Looks like Errol MacFarlane in the squad
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Looks very promising, I must admit. Good for T&T football. Good quality video that really is well constructed PR. Other teams take note. Yuh have to market yuhelselves. Sancho and de others, take note.
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Coops, It will be difficult to keep a "star" players in TT nowadays. If the guy that good more than likely a foreign team will be knocking at his door. If he was to play in TT past 24/25, even men on the forumn will be doubting his ability. We will really want to know how good he is. He will have to go overseas to prove to us he that good.
As far as Fenwick is concern, I glad for the man. he is a football jumbie. He don't have prove to us anything other than winning more trophies. As long as he gets the resources like he use to with Jab, his team go be very competitive. We have to wait and see. But I still feel they should change dey name to Queen's Park-Rangers to be more inclusive. Merging their tiny fans base from the west with the tiny fan base from the east. Big Magician, I know he have strings dey. Give him my piece of advice.
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Don't mean to sound sceptical or anything but if Fenwick was as good as people claim, then wouldn't he be in high demand all over the world and not fighting up with our pro league?? ??? ???
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Don't mean to sound sceptical or anything but if Fenwick was as good as people claim, then wouldn't he be in high demand all over the world and not fighting up with our pro league?? ??? ???
Nobody is claiming Fenwick's accomplishments are such that he should be in demand all over the world. But his record indicates he is one of our top coaches year in year out by a country mile. Furthermore some of his ideas have proved transformational. When you hear Jamal Shabazz and other coaches talking about youth development and relying more on young players that come up thru the ranks, a lot of that is from seeing how a consistent development system at Jabloteh and to a certain extent WConection paid dividends over the long term.
Plus the man is practically the only local coach not afraid to openly and harshly criticize nepotism and sloth in the TTFF. Not saying he is a Scholari or even a Beenhakker but his methods have made the league better.
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Looks very promising, I must admit. Good for T&T football. Good quality video that really is well constructed PR. Other teams take note. Yuh have to market yuhelselves. Sancho and de others, take note.
Specifically in terms of video I cant attest but sancho and his team does about de best in terms of PR. in my opinion, in de PFL. Especially the cheerleaders.
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Looks very promising, I must admit. Good for T&T football. Good quality video that really is well constructed PR. Other teams take note. Yuh have to market yuhelselves. Sancho and de others, take note.
It was just a Pro League interview...not a QPFC media presentation. Even Newsday only got the news from ProLeague website. What Fenwick said was very good and his coaching record at winning trophies and youth development is second to none. But as for marketing, promotion, multi sponsorship and football in the community programmes, the jury is out. None of that was there at Jabloteh to any real degree, although I liked the "next match" boards along the road to Maracas and at St Joseph.
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Plus the man is practically the only local coach not afraid to openly and harshly criticize nepotism and sloth in the TTFF.
Maybe that's why they include this highly questionable quote about how Trini society "holds mixed emotions about him."
"Society" or the local football fraternity? Because the two are not mutually inclusive.
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official news next week... just home from a meeting on this
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"Society" or the local football fraternity? Because the two are not mutually inclusive.
Bakes, Bro. It has to be the football fraternity because it appears that TT society in general eh know or cares about football anymore. They could care less about Fenwick except when they see him on TV or newspapers running his mouth.
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FYI
QPFC's academy "The Football Factory" starts tomorrow at the Queens Park Oval, 9am start, for 9 days.
Course Director Terry Fenwick.
Developing young people through the power of football.
Football skills - dribbling, passing, heading, shooting, defending, goalkeeping, speed, strength, agility, etc.
Life skills - Confidence, responsibility, honesty, respect, discipline, determination, patience, humility, character building, learning techniques, listening techniques and much much more!!!
Call 622 6672 to register, $575 dollars for 9 days camp.
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QPCC invests $30,000 in youth football.
T&T Guardian Reports.
Some 150 athletes had already registered by the time the third annual Queens Park Cricket Club (QPCC) Eight-a-Side Youth Football Tournament was launched, yesterday.
This was announced by chairman of the football committee for QPCC, Colin Borde, minutes before the leaguecomprising three divisions (Under-11, 14 and 16)kicked off.
The launch saw the presentation of the sponsors cheque worth $30,000 by the National Lotteries Control Board (NLCB) and the Ministry of Sport at the home venue for the tournament, the Queens Park Oval in St Clair.
Along with Borde, the launch was also attended by QPCC president Bruce Aanensen, Minister of Sport Anil Roberts and NLCB marketing chairman Brian Sawh, all of whom delivered welcoming and encouraging messages to some of the players in attendance.
QPCC chief executive officer (CEO) Lisa Abraham was also in attendance. The other sponsors, Beacon, Blue Waters and Pizza Boys, have all built teams for all three divisions while the Ministry of Sport/NLCB has a single team taking part in the Under-16 division. Matches will continue tomorrow in all divisions.
There will then be two match days on Monday and next Wednesday when the winners will be determined. The youth event stems from the annual QPCC 8-A-Side Football Tournament which has been in existence for 30 years.
The senior version of the competition runs until October 28. There are four divisions, consisting of 11 teams in all but the Over-55 division which consists of six teams.
The senior divisions are as follows:
Open (Under-35), 36-45 years, 46-55 years and the Over-55 divisions. Teams challenging the senior eight-a-side tournament are as follows: Appleton, Advantage Advertising, Advertising Impact, All Out, Audi, Barkin Dogs, Beacon Insurance, Burger King, Carib Pilsner Light, Ceramic Trinidad, Cinnabon, Dewers, DirecTV, Dixee, Dos Pinos, E-Zone, First Citizens Bank, Flair, Gatorade, General Finance Corporation, Gulf Oil, House Hunters, Junior Sammy Group of Companies, Mitsubishi Electric, More Sushi, Neal & Massy Automotive, Precision Point, Rentokil, Sagicor, Scooterman, Seaboard Trinidad, Security Analyst, Shell Helix, Sheppard Securities, Sports & Games, Stag, Standard Distributors, Tribe and Trotters.
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Slightly misleading headline. QPCC haven't invested any money, the $30k came from sponsors!! But well done for obtaining the sponsorship to promote youth football.
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http://www.mls-rumors.net/21456/2011/11/exclusive-former-england-international-terry-fenwick-has-applied-for-colorado-rapids-position
EXCLUSIVE: Former England International Terry Fenwick Has Applied For Colorado Rapids Position?Posted by mlsrumorson Nov - 24 - 2011with 0 Comment so far
There is a new name to throw into the conversation about Colorados new coach. Apparently another English manager has applied to be considered for the vacancy left by Gary Smith and the Commerce City clubs separation.
In an exclusive MLS-Rumors.net has learned from a source wishing to remain anonymous that former England U-21 and senior international full back Terry Fenwick has applied for the Colorado Rapids job. Received by email:
Firstly,
Happy Thanksgiving, I hope you all have a great day and eat like kings.
I have some news on the Colorado Rapids and a candidate for the Head Coach role.
I can confirm that English Manager Terry Fenwick has applied to be considered for the job.
Terry is an ex England International and played in the 1986 World Cup. He was on the pitch when Maradona scored the goal of the century.
He also managed in the UK before working in a director of sports role for the Democratic Republic of Congo.
He has been working out of Trinidad & Tobago for some years now and won everything he can, developed a WC generation of players and is looking for the next challenge.
He is a big fan of the future of US Soccer and is very keen on being a part of the future for US Soccer.
The well travelled Fenwick is no stranger to football in CONCACAF. He managed Trinidad and Tobago club San Juan Jabloteh to win the T&T Pro League championship. It should be noted that after their championship many Trinidad and Tobago supporters felt he should have been offered the job of coach of TnTs national team.
A lot can be learned about the man in this written interview he did with the Guardian newspaper of Trinidad and Tobago.
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Well yeah, why not ... why not slap a few Yanks ::). Frankly, I would prefer you stick around and slap a few Trinis. ;)
However, the upside of anything of this nature materialising would trump a thousand Trini players based in Vietnam. The very best of luck should this report be accurate. :cheers:
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If this is so, I think he should go for it. He know the the ttff is all screwed up, why go thru all the pain?
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He'll never get a fair shake to progress beyond club football in TnT so why the heck not? Colorado is a good franchise, with good ownership (Stan Kroenke) who is passionate about both sports and winning. I think it's safe to say that Fenwick shares similar attributes. I'm not sure that they'll see his accomplishments as worthwhile enough, but for him, this would be a fabulous opportunity, if true.
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He'll never get a fair shake to progress beyond club football in TnT so why the heck not? Colorado is a good franchise, with good ownership (Stan Kroenke) who is passionate about both sports and winning. I think it's safe to say that Fenwick shares similar attributes. I'm not sure that they'll see his accomplishments as worthwhile enough, but for him, this would be a fabulous opportunity, if true.
Agreed. His career in TT as reached it's apparant pinnacle........
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he wuz d last hope we had in TNT football..dey let him go..but I happy for he if u he get that job cause it aint take ah rocket scientist tuh realize tings aint going tuh be like it use tuh be in TNT football...so why waste yuh time hear with these wannabees....
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good move, skeene and the pro league is a waste of time, not to mention, national football
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With the obvious upgrade in resources, discipline, and infrastructure that Fenwick would get in the MLS, I see no reason why he couldn't do well. Plus, he has a good owner, who doesn't meddle too much in the technical aspects of the club, so that is a plus.
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he wuz d last hope we had in TNT football..dey let him go..but I happy for he if u he get that job cause it aint take ah rocket scientist tuh realize tings aint going tuh be like it use tuh be in TNT football...so why waste yuh time hear with these wannabees....
Where on earth do you come up with these puppy dog sentiments, wham horse, yuhs ah butler or what??
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good move, skeene and the pro league is a waste of time, not to mention, national football
Skeene and the pro league is not the cause of Terry's problem with TT footbal. Terry's attitude to some was assertive, to others abrasive. Take your pick. Should he be given the opportunity to coach TT? Of course. We have used foreigners before. Dexter don't pick the national coach. Jack used to. So it all falls back to the TTFF.
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good move, skeene and the pro league is a waste of time, not to mention, national football
Skeene and the pro league is not the cause of Terry's problem with TT footbal. Terry's attitude to some was assertive, to others abrasive. Take your pick. Should he be given the opportunity to coach TT? Of course. We have used foreigners before. Dexter don't pick the national coach. Jack used to. So it all falls back to the TTFF.
Deeks, I relate to what you are saying. We are a people who object to being told to do the right thing because we have a penchant for simply doing what is wrong. Those are the ones who would find him abrasive and they are in the higher numbers!
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I hope he gets thru because I can see opportunities on the horizon for quite a feww TT players if it happens.
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Still would love to see him take control of our 'National Team'
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Greetings fans of T&T football,
SocaWarriors.net and the Warrior Nation are pleased to present the third episode of the Warrior Call Podcast entitled The Fenwick Factor. Hosts Dinho, Football Supporter and Tallman are joined in the studio by special guest, former England international and San Juan Jabloteh coach Terry Fenwick. They discuss the failed Queens Park and Rangers FC merger, youth development, Terry's approach to coaching, Terry's view on T&T football, Anton Corneal's Technical Director appointment and much more. We hope you heed the 'Call' and enjoy it.
Listen here (http://socawarriorsfantasy.podomatic.com/entry/2012-01-18T11_18_26-08_00)
Listen on itunes (http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/socawarriors.net-podcast/id460444382)
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Nice work Guys....
Terry is just a boss !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I need to listen to this again when I get home.
Where is Terry now ?
Why is he still in T&T if he is not coaching ?
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I still eh listen to episode 2 yet far less this one, but I've downloaded them for future listening. In any event, good job guys!!! Keep it up!!! :notworthy: :notworthy:
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I still eh listen to episode 2 yet far less this one, but I've downloaded them for future listening. In any event, good job guys!!! Keep it up!!! :notworthy: :notworthy:
Yuh need tuh listen tuh dis one. Fenwick pulls no punches when talking about Anil Roberts, Anton Corneal, Mike McComie, TTFF, W-Connection and much more. Addresses de issue of Pro League players playing de minor leagues. He talks about how ended up in T&T. We covered a range of topics.
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I still eh listen to episode 2 yet far less this one, but I've downloaded them for future listening. In any event, good job guys!!! Keep it up!!! :notworthy: :notworthy:
Yuh need tuh listen tuh dis one. Fenwick pulls no punches when talking about Anil Roberts, Anton Corneal, Mike McComie, TTFF, W-Connection and much more. Addresses de issue of Pro League players playing de minor leagues. He talks about how ended up in T&T. We covered a range of topics.
Will do.....yuh wet mih appetite.... :)
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Terry should push to be Pro League boss !!!!
I will vote for him for sure.
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LINK (http://www.socawarriors.net/league/league-news/tt-pro-league/10617-the-warrior-call-podcast-with-special-guest-terry-fenwick.html)
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Nice job fellars!!
I strongly believe if Fenwick is given the chance to coach the national team, he will do a fantastic job.
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nice job!!!!
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Great job gentlemen. I must admit I cannot disagree with anything that was said. I like TF frank approach and the one thing everyone should understand is that professionalism is a structure & a way of life within that structure.
Terry Fenwick could serve very well as the person to standardize and establish the pro league & league football in general in T&T
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Mourinho gets Fenwicks nod for El Clsico.
By: Terry Fenwick (wired868).
Ex-England international Terry Fenwick gives Wired868 the low down
Spains finest and two of the worlds most renowned football clubs, FC Barcelona and Real Madrid, go head-to-head in this mouth-watering winner-take-all encounter.
To fully appreciate the true value and importance of this championship decider, one must start by identifying the ingredients that have the whole football world on edge in anticipation.
Barcelona is arguably the best team on the planet and it is no overstatement to say that this club has shaped the way the rest of us view the beautiful game and deserves credit for its very brave and disciplined route to the pinnacle of world football.
Ten years of relentless passion and commitment from Barcelona has raised the bar and created its own standard and the rest of the world is now trying to emulate the style and sex appeal the club delivers.
It is an astonishing achievement that has reaped huge success for club and country alike and it is no coincidence that Spain is world champion during this emphatic period of football "Barcelona Style".
Real Madrid, on the other hand, has made no secret of its commitment to buying the best the football world can offer to ensure the Galcticos remain at the top of world football.
With the best players in Real Madrid colours, marketing at the Bernabeu can focus almost exclusively on selling the club's shirts worldwide and this practice of purchasing personnel for big money has now spilled into the realm of management /coaching.
But the question arises about whether Real can continue to raise the funding necessary to attract these top players and coaches. Can they still, it has to be asked, catch the runaway Barcelona train?
Read More (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/view-point/item/147-mourinho-gets-fenwicks-nod-for-el-clsico)
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Nice write up they Lasana.
Terry is ah boss...
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Real evolution by Mourinho's Madrid
By Terry Fenwick (wired868.com)
Some 90,000 Catalans bayed for blood in the Nou Camp; Saturday April 21 was the day they expected Barcelona to put the Real Madrids Galcticos to death, a slow, merciless death.
But they reckoned without the special one himself, Jos Mourinho.
We covered several tactical topics prior to the game on Saturday but, as we reflect on this colossal result for Real Madrid over its arch-rival Barcelona, what comes to the fore is Mourinhos tactical awareness.
How could Mourinho rally his troops to get a win against the worlds best team, which has consistently buried Real Madrid in the past nine games?
The answer lay in the selection of the players who took the field. Gone were the players who had so often engineered and created bitter and bad-tempered games between these two giants of world football like Marcelo and Ricardo Carvalho.
In came attacking players, Mezut zil and Karim Benzema, who were suprisingly resolute in their defensive duties. Madrids key was the admirable work ethic of world-class players renowned for sublime skills and artistic performances rather than workhorse contributions in the trenches with their comrades.
We all saw Xavi throw a mini-tantrum after he was substituted and we recognised that, on the day, it was the Galcticos who kept their cool and looked the more controlled team.
Read More (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/149-real-evolution-for-mourinhos-madrid)
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Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
ttproleague.com.
Englishman Terry Fenwick has landed the coaching job of five-month old Central FC replacing fellow countryman Graham Rix.
Fenwick, a four-time (Digicel) Pro League Championship winning coach with San Juan Jabloteh, said, "They(Central) are progressive ...and I've probably got the best package in local football."
Central FC Operations Director Kevin Harrison, another Englishman, confirmed the hiring of Fenwick as Technical Director/Head Coach.
"We are delighted to say that Terry Fenwick is Technical Director/Head Coach," said Harrison. "He is with us on a one year contract for now."
Harrison went further to share that Rix, 55, a former Arsenal and England player and former assistant coach at Chealsea, left Trinidad last December. And that there was a mutual parting agreement between Central FC and Rix.
Read More (http://www.socawarriors.net/league/league-news/tt-pro-league/12089-fenwick-returns-to-the-top-flight-joins-central-fc.html)
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Fenwick is back; ex-Jabloteh coach takes over at Central
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868.com)
There will be a familiar English accent and piercing whistle at the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva this evening as former England World Cup defender and ex-San Juan Jabloteh coach Terry Fenwick takes up the reigns at Trinidad and Tobago Pro League club Central FC.
Fenwick, who won three Pro League titles and several Cups in seven years and five full seasons with Jabloteh, will led Central out in todays Couva derby against defending champions DIRECTV W Connection from 6 pm. The game is the first of a double header as Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA tackles North East Stars from 8 pm in an eagerly anticipated rematch.
Stars whipped Caledonia 3-1 in the season opener back on September 14 but the defending Caribbean champions have not lost since and have barely put a foot wrong in the Pro League.
In contrast, Connection and Central have been off the boil and they start todays contest in fifth and sixth place respectively.
But there would be interest in the return of a fierce competitor in Fenwick, a former Tottenham and Queens Park hardman whose outspoken, combative style has not made him a favourite of local referees either.
He replaces another Englishman, former Chelsea assistant coach Graham Rix, who failed to adjust to the local game and was homesick.
Fenwick, who is part-owner of Northern Football Association (NFA) outfit Football Factory, told Wired868.com that he is happy to be back in the domestic top flight.
I think I should be in this (Pro League) because Im the best and most qualified coach on the island, Fenwick told Wired868.
The Sunderland-born coach has agreed terms with Central but has not signed his contract yet and that is unlikely to be done until Monday at the earliest. But he is not the sort to shirk a challenge and was happy to face Connection, despite having held just one training session with his Sharks.
It would have been easy for me to sidestep Connection and step in for Centrals next game, he said, which would have been against Shiva Boys in the FA (Trophy). But I have ambitions for Central for the rest of the season and those ambitions can only happen if I get in quickly.
Fenwick declared his immediate goal was to add discipline and structure to the Sharks.
They have some gifted players but they lack structure and they cant defend, he said. I will bring that organisation and discipline so that we become tough to beat.
I will like us to be competitive and have a go at one or two of the Cups. What we do in the League is a bonus.
Fenwick credited Central managing director and World Cup 2006 Soca Warrior Brent Sancho and marketing manager Kevin Harrison in bringing him to the club and praised their work behind the scenes.
Jabloteh never tried off the field initiatives to make the club bigger than it was, he said. But Sancho and Harrison are doing that here and they have a lot of bright ideas and ambition. Im very pleased with Brent because he stood his ground in a very difficult time for Trinidad and Tobagos football when the Latapys and Yorkes went missing because they didnt want to upset Jack Warner.
Brent has put a team in the Pro League whereas Warner took his own out as soon as the FIFA money stopped. So Im proud of him for doing that.
The Sharks won their first two League games but their last triumph in this competition came in October while they conceded eight goals in their last two outings against Defence Force and Caledonia AIA.
Central made several acquisitions this month before agreeing terms with Fenwick as Hector Sam (St Anns Rangers), Wesley John (Police), Osei Telesford, Justin Fojo (both Puerto Rico Islanders), Rennie Britto (W Connection), Rundell Winchester and Omari Charles (both Stokely Vale) were already signed.
Winchester scored on his debut last month in a 5-2 loss to Caledonia in which Telesford also featured.
Connection has also struggled in recent times as the Savonetta Boys drew with Police and were thrashed 5-1 by Defence Force in December while they were also eliminated by North East Stars in the first round of the TTFF FA Trophy competition.
Connection coach Stuart Charles-Fevrier will no doubt try to rouse his men this evening to dispatch a rookie club led by an old foe.
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Good stuff Central, we need all the good coaches we can get. At some point this fella has to be considered for at least a national youth coaching position. Especially now with Jack 'gone'.
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This man should be our national coach.
Good move by Central, they need to be patience though and not hurry to change coaches to much as soon as they loose 3 games they want change.
Fenwick love to build team and is not a quick fix coach.
Central should buy de Cuban striker Marcel.
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I still remember that lash he hit the fellah on the side line. :devil:
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I still remember that lash he hit the fellah on the side line. :devil:
I thought it was me alone.
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Saw this association coming. Like it!!!
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not bad, i wouldn't mind seeing how fenwick and fevrier would do together as coaches of the natl team, we have nothing to lose and we are re-building
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Great to see Fenwick with CFC and back in the Pro League! I think CFC will benefit tremendously from having him on board, especially in youth development. I echo the sentiments of those wishing to see him included in our national set up as well. All the best Terry and CFC!!!
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I was wondering what keeping this man in TT so long without a job.
CFC is a work in progress and Fenwick is correct he nurtured a lot of talented youths.
I remember the lash on the sideline too.
I also remember that he take SJJ to Scotland and they end up playing no games against a top flight although they were told that the games had been organized.
VB
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Shahdon tricks Central FC; W Connection spoils Fenwick's return
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868.com)
The Digicel Pro Leagues first Couva derby proved to be a one-sided affair as talented 20-year-old striker Shahdon Winchester scored all three goals for DIRECTV W Connection who steamrolled Central FC 3-0 this evening at the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva.
The fixture marked the top flight return of former San Juan Jabloteh coach Terry Fenwick, after a two-year absence, and there were the trademark whistles and sideline commentary from Centrals new coach while referee Joel Davidson even flashed a red card.
But it was a far cry from the vivid contests between the Jabloteh and Connection teams of the last decade.
Even the dismissal was relatively tame.
Centrals utility player and 2006 World Cup member Anthony Wolfe left his feet to tackle twice in the first 25 minutes and, on both occasions, got at least as much of the opponent as he did the ball.
The tackles looked more exuberant and ill-timed than malicious but referee Joel Davidson followed the letter of the law and the two yellow cards meant the Sharks had to play over an hour with a man short.
By then, the pattern had already been established with the Connection players stroking the ball around in their own half while Central camped near the halfway line and pressured with gusto.
Once Central had done the hard bit and wrestled possession away from Connection, its players promptly gave the ball right back to the defending Pro League champions through, primarily, mishit crosses and premature efforts to counter.
Fenwick might argue the final result flattered a Connection team that was often kept at bay over the 90 minutes. But the reality is that only one team showed any quality on the ball and coach Stuart Charles-Fevriers men were well rewarded for their patience and execution.
A momentary lapse in concentration in the 32nd minute by the Central midfield allowed Connection to counter through the centre and, although goalkeeper Marvin Phillip saved the first effort from the 18-year-old Neil Benjamin, he could not prevent Winchester from tapping in the rebound.
Two minutes later, Central gifted Connection a second item as 19-year-old central defender Omar Charles played a weak back pass into Winchesters path and the attacker produced a clever scooped finish.
Charles made his debut today after joining Central from Tobagos Super League outfit, Stokely Vale, about two weeks ago, and his blunder was reminiscent of Osei Telesfords nightmarish debut in a 5-2 loss to Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA on 21 December 2013.
Central held its shape and chased and harassed opponents while Connection did its best to keep the ball away from the Sharks. And the second half might have suited both teams as Connection strode confidently towards a three-point haul while Central put in the effort Fenwick would expect from here on.
But then, three minutes into stoppage time, Winchester added further gloss to the score summary by slipping behind the Central defence to collect a Britto pass and then driving in an effort that squirmed under Phillips body before rolling home. It was his seventh league goal of the season, which brought him alongside Defence Force striker Devorn Jorsling for the joint highest individual tally at present.
Connection was not about to offer Fenwick any favours; and it did not.
The defending champions moved to third place with the result while Central remained sixth in the eight team table.
(Teams)
W Connection (4-2-1-3): 22.Aquelius Sylvester; 13.Kern Cupid, 5.Elijah Joseph, 4.Daneil Cyrus, 32.Kurt Frederick; 12.Gerrard Williams, 8.Clyde Leon (captain); 14.Hashim Arcia; 65.Neil Benjamin (29.Jomal Williams 75), 40.Shahdon Winchester, 31.Jerrel Britto.
Unused substitutes: 1.Murilo Da Costa, 2.Jelani Grosvenor, 3.Akeem Benjamin, 34.Jabari Mitchell, 37.Akeem Humphrey, 39.Alvin Jones.
Coach: Stuart Charles-Fevrier
Central FC (4-3-2-1): 1.Marvin Phillip (captain); 16.Carey Harris, 4.Omar Charles, 3.Keion Goodridge, 24.Akeem Adams; 9.Anthony Wolfe, 10.Marvin Oliver, 6.Marc Leslie (15.Sayid Freitas 84); 17.Shaquille Nesbitt, 7.Hayden Tinto (28.Hector Sam 84); 20.Darryl Trim (14.Tyrone Charles 61).
Unused substitutes: 13.Shane Mattis, 18.Cyrano Glen, 19.Adrian Noel, 26.Quincy Charles.
Coach: Terry Fenwick
Referee: Joel Davidson
Digicel Pro League (5 January 2013)
W Connection 3 (Shahdon Winchester 32, 34, 90+), Central FC 0 at Ato Boldon
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I was wondering what keeping this man in TT so long without a job.
CFC is a work in progress and Fenwick is correct he nurtured a lot of talented youths.
I remember the lash on the sideline too.
I also remember that he take SJJ to Scotland and they end up playing no games against a top flight although they were told that the games had been organized.
VB
And he sent Kenwyne and some others to trial at Man Utd!
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This man should be our national coach.
Good move by Central, they need to be patience though and not hurry to change coaches to much as soon as they loose 3 games they want change.
Fenwick love to build team and is not a quick fix coach.
Central should buy de Cuban striker Marcel.
The decision to change coaches was a mutual decision. Terry has a one year contract, but we hope that the association will be much longer. We fully expected to lose games after the delay in being accepted into the Pro League, as many of the players we were recruiting panicked and signed elsewhere. This first season was never about trophies (but, of course, we'd love to win silverware) but about establishing the brand. What we didn't like was weak, ill disciplined performances and Terry will surely correct that! We have a 5 year developmental plan and everything is on target. Although Terry is keen to win matches, he's also excited about the plans for the club.
We've looked into the Cuban fella, but aside from smuggling him out of Cuba, his situation is a bit tricky!
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North East Stars 0 - 1 Caledonia (Trevin Caesar 38)
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I hope the Sharks have patience and look to the long run instead of quick gratification.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/WwosBmqzI2Q
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What happen to Rix....quit or get fired?
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What happen to Rix....quit or get fired?
Mutual agreement.
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What happen to Rix....quit or get fired?
Mutual agreement.
The other day I asked TT ah "hard" question ... so lehme ask you two now. Round about Xmas time ... when he was away on vacation ... that was said to be provided for in the contract ... I thought ... "hmmm, plausible" ...
My questions are: Did he return to the island from that vacation? Did the mutuality occur at a distance?
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What happen to Rix....quit or get fired?
Mutual agreement.
The other day I asked TT ah "hard" question ... so lehme ask you two now. Round about Xmas time ... when he was away on vacation ... that was said to be provided for in the contract ... I thought ... "hmmm, plausible" ...
My questions are: Did he return to the island from that vacation? Did the mutuality occur at a distance?
Leh me make ah guess...it was an experiment!
They asked a Question... Is Rix the man?
Do Background Research... He was available.
Construct a Hypothesis... He can inject professionalism and pride.
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment....He came and tried, he could not make it there.
Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion....He and the club realized he was not the best fit.
Communicate Your Results...I on vacation I eh coming back...OR...I going home come December fellas, find someone else. Search was on Fenwick was replacement.
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2nd goal was a beaut. i go ask again. Is Connection a central or south team. If they are central, then Sando don't have a team of it own.
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That wasn't a dive for that red card?
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http://www.youtube.com/v/QzKg0QRXNbs
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Peter Byers, for real, I agree with Fenwick on that..for me, the best CF from the caribbean at present..don't know how he didn't make it bigger, So I could be ignorant of certain aspects of his game.
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I went to this training by Fenwick and you can see the players confidence is high especially with Byers around. I spoke with him after, nice fellow. Central FC will do good under Fenwick because he is strick and can get the best out of the players.
But I believe they need some time to gel as they look a little scrappy at times.
The team spirit has definitely been lifted.
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Ah wonder how Fenwick and Oliver getting along? :devil:
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Ah wonder how Fenwick and Oliver getting along? :devil:
It looks like Terry is using Marvin as his playmaker. Yesterday versus Police, everything went through Big Dread. He, Hector Sam, Hayden Tinto and Renee Britto put together some great attacking plays. Sharks were very unlucky not to score three or four goals.
I think Marvin has matured quite nicely and is looking to begin coaching. He's a pleasure to work with and is always keen to take part in community projects and, in fact, actually suggested a project for the players to do in the Central region.
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How come your two Antiguan imports did not play?
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How come your two Antiguan imports did not play?
Problems with the ITC. Will be registered today and available for Wednesday.
As a point of information, I will not announce new signings until they are registered and cleared. I have noted that the media have announced new signings before they have signed contracts or been successfully registered. I have prepared 2 press releases, 1 for Hector Sam/Justin Fojo and 1 for Byers and Dublin, complete with photos. However, before I can release these, the press announce they have signed!
It would be more accurate if they stated that the players are training with us and there is a possibility of them signing. This is the case with Jason Marcano, Lester Peltier and one other.
Leaving the club are Tyrone Charles and Quincy Charles.
Flex, I apologise if you get frustrated by no news of signings, but I want to ensure the players are on board before I put together a release. Also, with so many changes, a roster will not be available until Weds.
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How come your two Antiguan imports did not play?
Problems with the ITC. Will be registered today and available for Wednesday.
As a point of information, I will not announce new signings until they are registered and cleared. I have noted that the media have announced new signings before they have signed contracts or been successfully registered. I have prepared 2 press releases, 1 for Hector Sam/Justin Fojo and 1 for Byers and Dublin, complete with photos. However, before I can release these, the press announce they have signed!
It would be more accurate if they stated that the players are training with us and there is a possibility of them signing. This is the case with Jason Marcano, Lester Peltier and one other.
Leaving the club are Tyrone Charles and Quincy Charles.
Flex, I apologise if you get frustrated by no news of signings, but I want to ensure the players are on board before I put together a release. Also, with so many changes, a roster will not be available until Weds.
I understand what you are saying here, however, its the official TT Pro League website that is making these release, aren't you guys on the same page..... ;D
btw, did you say Lester Peltier !!!
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How come your two Antiguan imports did not play?
Problems with the ITC. Will be registered today and available for Wednesday.
As a point of information, I will not announce new signings until they are registered and cleared. I have noted that the media have announced new signings before they have signed contracts or been successfully registered. I have prepared 2 press releases, 1 for Hector Sam/Justin Fojo and 1 for Byers and Dublin, complete with photos. However, before I can release these, the press announce they have signed!
It would be more accurate if they stated that the players are training with us and there is a possibility of them signing. This is the case with Jason Marcano, Lester Peltier and one other.
Leaving the club are Tyrone Charles and Quincy Charles.
Flex, I apologise if you get frustrated by no news of signings, but I want to ensure the players are on board before I put together a release. Also, with so many changes, a roster will not be available until Weds.
I understand what you are saying here, however, its the official TT Pro League website that is making these release, aren't you guys on the same page..... ;D
btw, did you say Lester Peltier !!!
Lester is training with us. It doesn't look like we're on the same page, does it???
And I really prefer to see paperwork completed before changes are announced. There's so much going on, it can get confusing!!
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As far as I saw. Solvan next game is in March ? Is that correct ? If he's going back, I don't think he should be even signed on a short term. Yet the experience of training with/against him would benefit your players, I'm sure. Is that the story ? Curious as hell :-\
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Great news. Fenwick should be coaching the soca warriors.
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Sorry guys, I just realised my mistake....Johann Peltier, not Lester! He's actually contracted to North East Stars, but we have been looking to do a deal of some kind. Just depends if all parties can reach an agreement.
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Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)
Pro League rookie club Central FC will aim to collect the first trophy in its brief history tomorrow night when the Couva Sharks face Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA from 8 pm in the TTFF FA Trophy final at the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva.
But, if it was up to Central coach and ex-England World Cup player Terry Fenwick, Central and Caledonia would both find something more worthwhile to do with their Friday night.
Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) president Raymond Tim Kee was unable to secure any sponsorship for the competition and participating clubs lose money for every round with the cost of transport, meals and miscellaneous fees as well as physical wear and tear.
There is no money for the FA (winners), said Tim Kee, in a previous interview, just the conventional medals and trophies. The football has no money now. Every time a little money comes in, it is a matter of filling holes
You cant get blood out of stone.
But Fenwick, a former FA Trophy winner and Pro League Coach of the Year with San Juan Jabloteh, described the situation as a joke, particularly in light of the Trinidad and Tobago governments supposed war on crime.
I think it is ridiculous that the TTFF and the government are not prepared to back the FA Cup financially, said Fenwick. They keep on going on about crime and whatever else but you have the kids from the block working hard and trying to better themselves and make a career outside of crime and you are not backing them. It is a social injustice.
How has the Hoops of Life benefitted anybody? (Former United States basketball star) Shaquille O Neal came and took his money and was gone while the kids here are still struggling for an honest dollar.
Fenwick might not hold the competition in high regard. But he admitted that Central is anxious to lift its first title and, as such, the Sharks cannot afford to pass up tomorrows opportunity.
Despite the absence of financial incentive, Central is desperate to win.
We are trying to progress as a football club and winning a title will help, said Fenwick. We have worked very hard for this cup final. We are playing against a team that is a lot of points better than us in the League and we will try to prepare as best we can to upset them.
Central is unbeaten in eight from 10 matches played since Fenwick replaced compatriot Graham Rix in January.
Goal scoring is a problem as Antigua international forward Peter Byers managed just one item since he joined the Sharks last month. But Centrals uptempo, committed style presents a real challenge to opponents and winger Jason Marcano is in good form as well as veteran playmaker and ex-Caledonia star Marvin Oliver.
Caledonia has not fully recaptured its poise since a flurry of exits during the January transfer window but the central midfield pairing of captain Stephan David and Argentine Miguel Romeo provides stability while Densill Theobalds return from Finland might offer a dash of style and know-how to their build-ups.
Strikers Trevin Caesar, Sheldon Holder and the versatile Keyon Edwards have had their scoring boots on this year too and Central captain and custodian Marvin Phillip is unlikely to have a quiet night.
It should make for an entertaining FA Trophy final match-up; even if the input from the tournament organisers, the TTFF, and the State is questionable at best.
Tomorrows Fixtures
T&T National Mens U-17 vs W Connection U-17, Exhibition, Ato Boldon Stadium, 5 pm
Caledonia AIA vs Central United, FA Trophy final, Ato Boldon Stadium, 8 pm.
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The govt shouldn't give a black cent..Football is not a nationalized industry. There isn't a ministry of Football. Does the govt take money from the TTFF ? Does the govt regulate football ? Personally I feel that the govt should do better things with money ..like improve conditions at the nation's hospitals and clinics..or pay more Cuban and nigerian doctors than throw money at a football trophy.
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The govt shouldn't give a black cent..Football is not a nationalized industry. There isn't a ministry of Football. Does the govt take money from the TTFF ? Does the govt regulate football ? Personally I feel that the govt should do better things with money ..like improve conditions at the nation's hospitals and clinics..or pay more Cuban and nigerian doctors than throw money at a football trophy.
Maybe not a football trophy, but they should certainly invest in football. It can be a valuable growth industry if they approach it correctly. Think of the millions of dollars per year that could have been generated had the Centre of Excellence been used properly. Many teams would come here for pre season tours. Teams could come and play our boys. Mini tournaments could be held there. Instead it's used to generate income for a private citizen.
But if you really want to stop govt funding football, the only team that will survive will be Central. The Army and Police would disappear, and Connection, North East, St Anns and Caledonia would have serious problems. Then, of course, you can't just stop funding football. You'd stop funding cricket, basketball, swimming, cycling, athletics, boxing etc.
Then you could pay for your Nigerian doctors to remove the bullets from all the kids who join gangs without any other way out of the ghetto.
Why do you think every civilised country pours millions into sport?
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The govt shouldn't give a black cent..Football is not a nationalized industry. There isn't a ministry of Football. Does the govt take money from the TTFF ? Does the govt regulate football ? Personally I feel that the govt should do better things with money ..like improve conditions at the nation's hospitals and clinics..or pay more Cuban and nigerian doctors than throw money at a football trophy.
So the Government should not invest in any Sport? Abandon the Ministry of Sport! As a matter of fact why not get rid of the Arts as well!
Look the only reason they not investing is that they cannot skim off the top, dollars too small. Its not the Airport, Highway or Brian Lara stadia etc.
Most countries invest in Sport, in two ways. Grass Roots / Schools & Competitive. The difference is they have a Governing body responsible for distribution of the funding based on established criteria. Once this is met, you receive the funding, some may even increase the funding and provide a bonus scheme, if you show success in your programming.
Yes I agree with you they should invest more in education, medical etc. T&T have /had more than enough money to go around, just look at the waste.
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The govt shouldn't give a black cent..Football is not a nationalized industry. There isn't a ministry of Football. Does the govt take money from the TTFF ? Does the govt regulate football ? Personally I feel that the govt should do better things with money ..like improve conditions at the nation's hospitals and clinics..or pay more Cuban and nigerian doctors than throw money at a football trophy.
So the Government should not invest in any Sport? Abandon the Ministry of Sport! As a matter of fact why not get rid of the Arts as well!
Look the only reason they not investing is that they cannot skim off the top, dollars too small. Its not the Airport, Highway or Brian Lara stadia etc.
Most countries invest in Sport, in two ways. Grass Roots / Schools & Competitive. The difference is they have a Governing body responsible for distribution of the funding based on established criteria. Once this is met, you receive the funding, some may even increase the funding and provide a bonus scheme, if you show success in your programming.
Yes I agree with you they should invest more in education, medical etc. T&T have /had more than enough money to go around, just look at the waste.
You saw that report that was produced after the oil boom? I can't remember the exact figures (it was maybe $60 billion in revenue) but apparently two thirds of the money was either wasted or stolen! We have the biggest ever budget allocation, yet it still takes up to two weeks to receive a letter via post. I actually saw a letter from a lawyer that had to be replied to within two weeks of the date on the letterhead. The letter had to be signed for when it was received......17 days after it was posted! 17 days from Port of Spain to Couva!!
100 years ago you could send a letter from London and it would be received in Glasgow the next day! The only reason is poor organisation, lack of investment and not understanding how internal communications make business more efficient! Sorry, gone a little off thread there!
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The govt. should invest in football and has just as they have in boxing.
However, they probably holding strain due to the obvious incompetence and mismanagement of funds.
However, what is sad is that the TTFF will probably take the gate and give none to the teams that were responsible for it in the first place.
VB
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The govt shouldn't give a black cent..Football is not a nationalized industry. There isn't a ministry of Football. Does the govt take money from the TTFF ? Does the govt regulate football ? Personally I feel that the govt should do better things with money ..like improve conditions at the nation's hospitals and clinics..or pay more Cuban and nigerian doctors than throw money at a football trophy.
coache,
I don't understand you at all. Whey your head is man? You doing like TT is England and US where all these big corporation does run to sponsor football and sports . With an exception of a few all the others are waggonists. When football winning all ah them dey. But when time come to do the naturing, they eh dey at all.
You does talk all this high and mighty plans like if people will come and volunteer for free. It eh happening again. Dem days done. Like you don't understand the mentality of them TT business of today or what. In the 60s and 70s was different. Carib, ECM, Clico, ASL, etc. We don't have them kind of benefactors again. Nobody in the right mind expecting the gov't to bankroll the football. If the business community had stepped forward, the teams would not come calling to gov't. They just asking for some basic assistance. I know Sancho team will not get gov't money. We all know why. Maybe some outside benefactor will be their best bet. If an institution like Jabloteh can fold because of lack of resources, you know things real bad.
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The govt shouldn't give a black cent..Football is not a nationalized industry. There isn't a ministry of Football. Does the govt take money from the TTFF ? Does the govt regulate football ? Personally I feel that the govt should do better things with money ..like improve conditions at the nation's hospitals and clinics..or pay more Cuban and nigerian doctors than throw money at a football trophy.
Maybe not a football trophy, but they should certainly invest in football. It can be a valuable growth industry if they approach it correctly. Think of the millions of dollars per year that could have been generated had the Centre of Excellence been used properly. Many teams would come here for pre season tours. Teams could come and play our boys. Mini tournaments could be held there. Instead it's used to generate income for a private citizen.
But if you really want to stop govt funding football, the only team that will survive will be Central. The Army and Police would disappear, and Connection, North East, St Anns and Caledonia would have serious problems. Then, of course, you can't just stop funding football. You'd stop funding cricket, basketball, swimming, cycling, athletics, boxing etc.
Then you could pay for your Nigerian doctors to remove the bullets from all the kids who join gangs without any other way out of the ghetto.
Why do you think every civilised country pours millions into sport?
F.S., you know what man. I watched Don Garber, the commissioner of MLS Soccer, give a preseason address called the "March to Soccer" on Wednesday night and I listened to how he laid out his plans, his initiatives, his vision and his objectives, and of course he used videos of the fans during the MLS Soccer season to support his speech, and I was amazed at how easy he made that look and sound. Now, mind you, I am oversimplyfying what was said, but this man is responsible for managing a conglomerate that involves billions of dollars invested by various organizations that believe in what he is atttempting to accomplish. They see the huge potential of a new generation of soccer fans that are passionate about the sport in America because of what Garber has been able to accomplish over the years since he has been commissioner of the league. Now, mind you, he did not accomplish all of this by himself. He is supported by a team of very talented people, both men and women. Garber showed the investors the enourmous economic advantages of investing into a sport that has a passionate fan base that is growing like a wildfire. I mean, everyone benefits, including the government, the players, the owners, the investors, and most importantly the people in the community where that team is based. There are job opportunities for many. It may not provide an employment opportunity for all, but it creates employment for some, if not many. It's a boost to the US economy in so many ways that the politicians in that community want to invest in building a brand new stadium like in New York where the NY Cosmos are making a comeback, in Florida, where the USL Pro team, Orlando City Lions, are making plans to join the MLS. I mean, if Dexter Skeene had that kind of ability and vision, who knows where the tt pro league, the owners, the teams, the players, the politicians, and the communities that each team represents would be today. One could only imagine. It's an enourmous opportunity just being wasted.
To be continued..........
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coache !!! is that your overall view ?? please say it aint so ..... be more ojective and look beyond your nostrils coache .. !! why shouldn't there be any funding for football eh mr coache ???? the floor is now yours..
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coache I does hardly agree with you, but I with you on this one. Any business that can't find a way to make a profit must fold. I surprised to see Fenwick in this 'Guvahment!!!' talk. Back to the drawing boards football. You cyah shift two chairs and put Tim Kee in front and feel that go make up for all the mismanagement and poor vision for the last umpteen years. You could only afford what you could afford. Build from the ground up. FS while you at it, you care to share a breakdown on how much the government spends on the various sports you mentioned?
More people fighting for the crumbs with all kinda points like they really care about anything but themselves.
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If TTFF and the TT Pro Cemetery were kids, both Oliver Scamps, the father who gave his kid up for adoption, and Dexter Skeene would be arrested for child abuse, child neglect, and child support. What a farce.
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coache just really didn't give this some serious thought. :-[
especially when he asking/making these post
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=59099.0
ah mean, unless he was posting for popularity or just chat
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T&T National Mens U-17 vs W Connection U-17 anyone know the score ?
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Socalion et al..if the tournament ...as viewed by the business community and the govt included don't feel that it's worth sponsorship ..then there no sponsorship. Do you really feel that the business community (mostly of the east indian community ..more interested in cricket) or the govt (mostly of the east indian community..more interested in cricket) care about a struggling sport (mostly played by people of african descent)..the people like the sport are going nowhere fast ?
As a matter of fact the FA trophy is an age old competition played by amateurs and no prize money was expected. I played in that tournament on many occasions and I never heard any cries for prize money.
The Pro League has to come up with a new way or new system so as to make it profitable for the Pro teams to participate.
One of the things the Pro League and the TTFF can do together is to sue Mr Warner for all the funds which he had pilfered overs the years thus leaving football in the dire state that it's in right now.
There is no reason why Trinidad Foootball should be dependent on the govt.
Mr Warner was a school teacher who became the head of Trinidad Football. He single handedly restructured Trinidad Football so that all monies would go directly to him. Tell me ..how could someone become a millionaire by being the head of the TTFA ? Tell me..how could someone become a millionaire by being a FIFA representative ..is the salary millions of dollars per month ? Mr Warner became a multimillionaire by the sweat of footballers whether amateur or professional.
Jack Warner made millions and millions and millions...ask him for some money.
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So T&T Government gets the blame for failure of a sporting body to attract sponsorships for its competition? Socialism at work?
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So T&T Government gets the blame for failure of a sporting body to attract sponsorships for its competition? Socialism at work?
Talk about entitlement and dependency.
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So T&T Government gets the blame for failure of a sporting body to attract sponsorships for its competition? Socialism at work?
To be fair to the Govt, they recently increased the tax breaks on investment in sport up to $3 million p.a. However, there are very real, non socialist reasons why the Govt should actively support football and encourage sponsorship.
The TT Pro League could be become a viable source of export dollars if a robust and organised developmental programme was in place.
With a decent 10 year program there could be much income generated from transfers. If they could assist with the Pro League, perhaps the league will be televised live by ESPN, Sky etc. They would probably love an exclusive deal for, say, 2 million. If we attract top Caribbean players from St Lucia, Grenada, Barbados etc, the league will be followed there, increasing the TV viewing (Look how Trinis watched Southampton, Sunderland, Ipswich, Swansea) Then, of course, there are many social benefits in involving youths in positive pastimes like football. Many nations take football seriously and respect the benefits that can come from sport. The U.K. for instance, has an all-party parliamentary football committee.
And how it works is simple...you wanna do business in T&T, then plough some dollars into football. The govt call the shots. I know of a German company that's been here 16 years and has never put a dollar into the community, yet has made huge profits from T&T. We haveb a Brazilian company building the highway...what do they give back? It's all a tax write off, but unless they are "encouraged" they won't bother.
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Good points
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So T&T Government gets the blame for failure of a sporting body to attract sponsorships for its competition? Socialism at work?
To be fair to the Govt, they recently increased the tax breaks on investment in sport up to $3 million p.a. However, there are very real, non socialist reasons why the Govt should actively support football and encourage sponsorship.
The TT Pro League could be become a viable source of export dollars if a robust and organised developmental programme was in place.
With a decent 10 year program there could be much income generated from transfers. If they could assist with the Pro League, perhaps the league will be televised live by ESPN, Sky etc. They would probably love an exclusive deal for, say, 2 million. If we attract top Caribbean players from St Lucia, Grenada, Barbados etc, the league will be followed there, increasing the TV viewing (Look how Trinis watched Southampton, Sunderland, Ipswich, Swansea) Then, of course, there are many social benefits in involving youths in positive pastimes like football. Many nations take football seriously and respect the benefits that can come from sport. The U.K. for instance, has an all-party parliamentary football committee.
And how it works is simple...you wanna do business in T&T, then plough some dollars into football. The govt call the shots. I know of a German company that's been here 16 years and has never put a dollar into the community, yet has made huge profits from T&T. We haveb a Brazilian company building the highway...what do they give back? It's all a tax write off, but unless they are "encouraged" they won't bother.
So the government should take sparse public funds and invest it into some speculative venture of "developmental programme" of exporting footballers? As a business proposal this is sheer madness... particularly when one considers that you are proposing that TnT enter an already mature market where there are already entrenched developmental and supply chains already in place. We'll essentially be competing with the rest of the world in a race where the rest of the world is already comfortably ahead. It's a nice fancy idea without legs.
As for forcing foreign investors to "plough some dollars into football"... apparently you have little appreciation for how the free market works. Government is in a position where it has to make the barriers to investment as minimal as possible, not erect them higher. We are competing for investments... we don't "call the shots" as you say. It's like opening a store and telling your customers they have to drop $100 dollars in a bucket near the door for your kids college fund if they intend to come in and shop. Madness... in a word.
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The Pro League and the TTFF need to do more groundwork it sounds like..
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So T&T Government gets the blame for failure of a sporting body to attract sponsorships for its competition? Socialism at work?
To be fair to the Govt, they recently increased the tax breaks on investment in sport up to $3 million p.a. However, there are very real, non socialist reasons why the Govt should actively support football and encourage sponsorship.
The TT Pro League could be become a viable source of export dollars if a robust and organised developmental programme was in place.
With a decent 10 year program there could be much income generated from transfers. If they could assist with the Pro League, perhaps the league will be televised live by ESPN, Sky etc. They would probably love an exclusive deal for, say, 2 million. If we attract top Caribbean players from St Lucia, Grenada, Barbados etc, the league will be followed there, increasing the TV viewing (Look how Trinis watched Southampton, Sunderland, Ipswich, Swansea) Then, of course, there are many social benefits in involving youths in positive pastimes like football. Many nations take football seriously and respect the benefits that can come from sport. The U.K. for instance, has an all-party parliamentary football committee.
And how it works is simple...you wanna do business in T&T, then plough some dollars into football. The govt call the shots. I know of a German company that's been here 16 years and has never put a dollar into the community, yet has made huge profits from T&T. We haveb a Brazilian company building the highway...what do they give back? It's all a tax write off, but unless they are "encouraged" they won't bother.
So the government should take sparse public funds and invest it into some speculative venture of "developmental programme" of exporting footballers? As a business proposal this is sheer madness... particularly when one considers that you are proposing that TnT enter an already mature market where there are already entrenched developmental and supply chains already in place. We'll essentially be competing with the rest of the world in a race where the rest of the world is already comfortably ahead. It's a nice fancy idea without legs.
As for forcing foreign investors to "plough some dollars into football"... apparently you have little appreciation for how the free market works. Government is in a position where it has to make the barriers to investment as minimal as possible, not erect them higher. We are competing for investments... we don't "call the shots" as you say. It's like opening a store and telling your customers they have to drop $100 dollars in a bucket near the door for your kids college fund if they intend to come in and shop. Madness... in a word.
Clearly, you don't appreciate how T&T works. This is a country who "invested" $5 million in a soca artist who had just won $2 million and was also likely to be found guilty of assault. This is a country who's sports minister, hear me, a SPORTS minister invested $10 million to bring Niki Minaj while the supporting local artists got $40,000 between them. This is a country who gave millions to Shaquille O'Neil for a photo op and spent more millions on a speculative basketball competition. This is a country where a man can take a regional football development centre and use it for weddings, events etc for his own pocket and nobody gives a sh*t. Are you really saying that all of these things are more worthwhile than developing a proper football industry that can bring rewards for decades?
Clearly, you don't appreciate how T&T works. This is a country where a certain government agency will gladly sponsor anything you want, provided that you give back 15% of the grant in a brown envelope. This is a country where a contractor can win a contract, not on price or performance, but by offering something behind the scenes. This is a country where the sports minister can give money to teams, not based on performance, accountability or transparency, but whether he likes the people running the team. Are you really naive enough to believe in free enterprise in sweet T&T? Christ, we had a flying squad for 6 months that nobody appears to know about yet it was govt funded.
Do you really believe that these same kickbacks could not be used to develop and support football?
As for competing in the transfer market being a "fancy idea" it seems you are willing to settle for our best players moving to some place ending in "stan" or the Finnish 3rd division. I happen to know there are many Pro League players who have the ability to play in much better leagues. This crap about a mature market and supply chains is just that...crap. If a club can buy player A from the Caribbean at half the cost of player B from Croatia, they will do so. Eastern European and African players are cheap, but their agents aren't. Our players are so inexpensive that the Vietnamese can afford them.
A League 2 player in England earns TT$20,000 per month. That's 5 times more than an average player in the Pro League. A decent League 1 player may cost 250,000. I'd be happy to pick up $2.5 million for one of Centrals' players ....that's our entire years budget right there. And with a 10% sell on clause another Kenwyne Jones would bring in TT$8 million.
The only problem with shipping players overseas is their attitude and professionalism, which is why we need to develop them from age 14 or 15.
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Clearly, you don't appreciate how T&T works. This is a country who "invested" $5 million in a soca artist who had just won $2 million and was also likely to be found guilty of assault. This is a country who's sports minister, hear me, a SPORTS minister invested $10 million to bring Niki Minaj while the supporting local artists got $40,000 between them. This is a country who gave millions to Shaquille O'Neil for a photo op and spent more millions on a speculative basketball competition. This is a country where a man can take a regional football development centre and use it for weddings, events etc for his own pocket and nobody gives a sh*t. Are you really saying that all of these things are more worthwhile than developing a proper football industry that can bring rewards for decades?
Clearly, you don't appreciate how T&T works. This is a country where a certain government agency will gladly sponsor anything you want, provided that you give back 15% of the grant in a brown envelope. This is a country where a contractor can win a contract, not on price or performance, but by offering something behind the scenes. This is a country where the sports minister can give money to teams, not based on performance, accountability or transparency, but whether he likes the people running the team. Are you really naive enough to believe in free enterprise in sweet T&T? Christ, we had a flying squad for 6 months that nobody appears to know about yet it was govt funded.
Do you really believe that these same kickbacks could not be used to develop and support football?
Comprehension clearly isn't your strong suit, so let me break it down for you. You are highlighting examples of corruption, you are not making a case as to why government should be investing in local football. You just f**king land in Trinidad and yuh feel you know the mores and the lay of the land better than me who born and raise there? Are you so foolish as to conflate what ought to be proper government action with the corruption of THIS PP administration? Are you so dense as to NOT recognize that Machel Montano and Nikki f**king Minaj are infinitely more popular than football or any footballers in TnT? Are you so blind as to realize that this government will waste money behind ANY potential PR measure, such as making Machel an "ambassador" and trying to curry favor with the youth by latching onto the Nikki Minaj brand? What the f**k can investing in football do for these demagogues? Please make some kinda blasted sense.
As for competing in the transfer market being a "fancy idea" it seems you are willing to settle for our best players moving to some place ending in "stan" or the Finnish 3rd division. I happen to know there are many Pro League players who have the ability to play in much better leagues.
Right... because you's this great assessor of talent. You know some secret that foreign evaluators don't know. You see hidden gems where they only see mediocre talent. What is your football background again... that anybody should be willing to take your assessment of these players talents seriously? Oh... I thought so. Bout you happen to know... GTFOH
This crap about a mature market and supply chains is just that...crap. If a club can buy player A from the Caribbean at half the cost of player B from Croatia, they will do so. Eastern European and African players are cheap, but their agents aren't. Our players are so inexpensive that the Vietnamese can afford them.
Of course if a club can buy a talented player for cheap they will buy that player over an equally talented but more expensive player. But that isn't the point... is it? How much money is that other player costing taxpayers in his homeland? What happens if that Croatian player is as cheap as or cheaper than the PFL player? Given that the Croatian player likely would have already proven himself against better competition who do you think the club would buy? And what then of investment of public funds in the PFL player? The Vietnamese can afford our players because there isn't great demand for their services. What so hard to understand about that? All these great players you identified in the PFL, how come they eh even self playing in Vietnam?
A League 2 player in England earns TT$20,000 per month. That's 5 times more than an average player in the Pro League. A decent League 1 player may cost 250,000. I'd be happy to pick up $2.5 million for one of Centrals' players ....that's our entire years budget right there. And with a 10% sell on clause another Kenwyne Jones would bring in TT$8 million.
The only problem with shipping players overseas is their attitude and professionalism, which is why we need to develop them from age 14 or 15.
I have no idea why you mentioning what a League 2 or League One player making unless it is your contention that the current PFL crop have players who easily could play overseas. I also want to know how you getting around the work permit requirement for these PFL superstars who better than League 1 and 2 talent in England. If anything maybe the Min. of Sport should look into underwriting the cost of bringing over the foreign coaches and scouts to showcase the talent that already here... no different from subsidizing the costs of hosting economic/investment symposiums and conferences. But the current model of government in TnT is one premised on the English model and even the frigging English are themselves moving away from that model. Yet we talking about throwing money at sports and people can't get a hospital bed to sleep in when sick.
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Clearly, you don't appreciate how T&T works. This is a country who "invested" $5 million in a soca artist who had just won $2 million and was also likely to be found guilty of assault. This is a country who's sports minister, hear me, a SPORTS minister invested $10 million to bring Niki Minaj while the supporting local artists got $40,000 between them. This is a country who gave millions to Shaquille O'Neil for a photo op and spent more millions on a speculative basketball competition. This is a country where a man can take a regional football development centre and use it for weddings, events etc for his own pocket and nobody gives a sh*t. Are you really saying that all of these things are more worthwhile than developing a proper football industry that can bring rewards for decades?
Clearly, you don't appreciate how T&T works. This is a country where a certain government agency will gladly sponsor anything you want, provided that you give back 15% of the grant in a brown envelope. This is a country where a contractor can win a contract, not on price or performance, but by offering something behind the scenes. This is a country where the sports minister can give money to teams, not based on performance, accountability or transparency, but whether he likes the people running the team. Are you really naive enough to believe in free enterprise in sweet T&T? Christ, we had a flying squad for 6 months that nobody appears to know about yet it was govt funded.
Do you really believe that these same kickbacks could not be used to develop and support football?
Comprehension clearly isn't your strong suit, so let me break it down for you. You are highlighting examples of corruption, you are not making a case as to why government should be investing in local football. You just f**king land in Trinidad and yuh feel you know the mores and the lay of the land better than me who born and raise there? Are you so foolish as to conflate what ought to be proper government action with the corruption of THIS PP administration? Are you so dense as to NOT recognize that Machel Montano and Nikki f**king Minaj are infinitely more popular than football or any footballers in TnT? Are you so blind as to realize that this government will waste money behind ANY potential PR measure, such as making Machel an "ambassador" and trying to curry favor with the youth by latching onto the Nikki Minaj brand? What the f**k can investing in football do for these demagogues? Please make some kinda blasted sense.
As for competing in the transfer market being a "fancy idea" it seems you are willing to settle for our best players moving to some place ending in "stan" or the Finnish 3rd division. I happen to know there are many Pro League players who have the ability to play in much better leagues.
Right... because you's this great assessor of talent. You know some secret that foreign evaluators don't know. You see hidden gems where they only see mediocre talent. What is your football background again... that anybody should be willing to take your assessment of these players talents seriously? Oh... I thought so. Bout you happen to know... GTFOH
This crap about a mature market and supply chains is just that...crap. If a club can buy player A from the Caribbean at half the cost of player B from Croatia, they will do so. Eastern European and African players are cheap, but their agents aren't. Our players are so inexpensive that the Vietnamese can afford them.
Of course if a club can buy a talented player for cheap they will buy that player over an equally talented but more expensive player. But that isn't the point... is it? How much money is that other player costing taxpayers in his homeland? What happens if that Croatian player is as cheap as or cheaper than the PFL player? Given that the Croatian player likely would have already proven himself against better competition who do you think the club would buy? And what then of investment of public funds in the PFL player? The Vietnamese can afford our players because there isn't great demand for their services. What so hard to understand about that? All these great players you identified in the PFL, how come they eh even self playing in Vietnam?
A League 2 player in England earns TT$20,000 per month. That's 5 times more than an average player in the Pro League. A decent League 1 player may cost 250,000. I'd be happy to pick up $2.5 million for one of Centrals' players ....that's our entire years budget right there. And with a 10% sell on clause another Kenwyne Jones would bring in TT$8 million.
The only problem with shipping players overseas is their attitude and professionalism, which is why we need to develop them from age 14 or 15.
I have no idea why you mentioning what a League 2 or League One player making unless it is your contention that the current PFL crop have players who easily could play overseas. I also want to know how you getting around the work permit requirement for these PFL superstars who better than League 1 and 2 talent in England. If anything maybe the Min. of Sport should look into underwriting the cost of bringing over the foreign coaches and scouts to showcase the talent that already here... no different from subsidizing the costs of hosting economic/investment symposiums and conferences. But the current model of government in TnT is one premised on the English model and even the frigging English are themselves moving away from that model. Yet we talking about throwing money at sports and people can't get a hospital bed to sleep in when sick.
Bakes don't spit out yuh Crix hoss. I knew this would wind you up like a clockwork soldier. "You just f**king land in Trinidad and yuh feel you know the mores and the lay of the land better than me who born and raise there?"
You like to tell everybody how you know their business better than them, but look how easy it is to get you to bite :rotfl:
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Bakes don't spit out yuh Crix hoss. I knew this would wind you up like a clockwork soldier. "You just f**king land in Trinidad and yuh feel you know the mores and the lay of the land better than me who born and raise there?"
You like to tell everybody how you know their business better than them, but look how easy it is to get you to bite :rotfl:
Oh really... who have I said this to, you have proof of this? Or just talking out your ass as usual? Carrying on like you's some kinda football talent evaluator, get called on it and now yuh was just trying to wind me up. Get the f**k outta here.
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Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)
Pro League rookie club Central FC will aim to collect the first trophy in its brief history tomorrow night when the Couva Sharks face Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA from 8 pm in the TTFF FA Trophy final at the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva.
But, if it was up to Central coach and ex-England World Cup player Terry Fenwick, Central and Caledonia would both find something more worthwhile to do with their Friday night.
Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) president Raymond Tim Kee was unable to secure any sponsorship for the competition and participating clubs lose money for every round in transport, meals and miscellaneous fees as well as physical wear and tear.
There is no money for the FA (winners), said Tim Kee, in a previous interview just the conventional medals and trophies. The football has no money now. Every time a little money comes in, it is a matter of filling holes
You cant get blood out of stone.
But Fenwick, a former FA Trophy winner and Pro League Coach of the Year with San Juan Jabloteh, described the situation as a joke, particularly in light of the Trinidad and Tobago governments supposed war on crime.
I think it is ridiculous that the TTFF and the government are not prepared to back the FA Cup financially, said Fenwick. They keep on going on about crime and whatever else but you have the kids from the block working hard and trying to better themselves and make a career outside of crime and you are not backing them. It is a social injustice.
How has the Hoops of Life benefitted anybody? (Former United States basketball star) Shaquille O Neal came and took his money and was gone while the kids here are still struggling for an honest dollar.
Read More (http://www.wired868.com/2013/02/28/fenwick-slams-ttffgovt-for-penniless-fa-finals/)
And this is why my friend Fenwick will never get ah bligh at the national team...he eh getting on he knees for nobody!
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Bakes don't spit out yuh Crix hoss. I knew this would wind you up like a clockwork soldier. "You just f**king land in Trinidad and yuh feel you know the mores and the lay of the land better than me who born and raise there?"
You like to tell everybody how you know their business better than them, but look how easy it is to get you to bite :rotfl:
Oh really... who have I said this to, you have proof of this? Or just talking out your ass as usual? Carrying on like you's some kinda football talent evaluator, get called on it and now yuh was just trying to wind me up. Get the f**k outta here.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :joker:
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... If they could assist with the Pro League, perhaps the league will be televised live by ESPN, Sky etc. They would probably love an exclusive deal for, say, 2 million. If we attract top Caribbean players from St Lucia, Grenada, Barbados etc ....
Brother, this type of thinking is a lil' nave if you ask me. Sky sports showing T&T league games? ESPN? The best you can hope for from any mainstream media entity is a 30 minute highlight show....not sure how that would benefit the Government in the long run. The strategy of developing players solely for the purpose of earning foreign exchange is also not sustainable from a Government standpoint...likely these players will end up moving abroad for small fees. For instance, how much did Kenwyn Jones local club get when Jones moved to England? Remember these players go abroad relatively unknown, so they wont be able to command 1M pound fees upfront.
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... If they could assist with the Pro League, perhaps the league will be televised live by ESPN, Sky etc. They would probably love an exclusive deal for, say, 2 million. If we attract top Caribbean players from St Lucia, Grenada, Barbados etc ....
Brother, this type of thinking is a lil' nave if you ask me. Sky sports showing T&T league games? ESPN? The best you can hope for from any mainstream media entity is a 30 minute highlight show....not sure how that would benefit the Government in the long run. The strategy of developing players solely for the purpose of earning foreign exchange is also not sustainable from a Government standpoint...likely these players will end up moving abroad for small fees. For instance, how much did Kenwyn Jones local club get when Jones moved to England? Remember these players go abroad relatively unknown, so they wont be able to command 1M pound fees upfront.
Fair points. However, stations like SKY are looking for new markets and low cost product. There are 800,000 people of Caribbean descent in the UK alone. Add to that the millions in USA, Canada etc and there may be some interest. If SKY offered 5,000 per match, there should be plenty of advertisers who could cover that cost. Virgin, B.A. and CAL would be 3 obvious choices. Then there's companies like B.P. who may use the opportunity of some CSR airtime. I haven't researched this area, so I'm only making suggestions.
Regarding the likes of Kenwyne, W.Conn probably only got maybe 50k - 100k from Southampton. But the sell on clause of between 10-15% is the money deal. That's my point. We can afford to let players move for free so that they can be polished and put in the shop window. It's the sell on clause that brings home the bacon.
Regarding the govt, maybe it is naive, but if they can invest millions in Hoops of Life, why not investigate the benefits of football?
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... and I hope there is a sell-on clause routinely.
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What the Pro league should do is set aside 10 per cent of the gate receipts from the whole FA Cup season and use that for prize money.
It will be a wake up call for everybody concerned if the money ends up being 10 dollars or a million.
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What the Pro league should do is set aside 10 per cent of the gate receipts from the whole FA Cup season and use that for prize money.
It will be a wake up call for everybody concerned if the money ends up being 10 dollars or a million.
Pro League gets no money from gate receipts. The competition is run by the TTFF. The only game I saw money taken at the gate was at the semi final and final. The whole competition was poorly run.
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T&T National Mens U-17 vs W Connection U-17 anyone know the score ?
nobody cares about that, we talk big about 'yute' development but really don't give ah flying fack. tell them real madrid u17 vs bilbao u-17, you might get some answers
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What the Pro league should do is set aside 10 per cent of the gate receipts from the whole FA Cup season and use that for prize money.
It will be a wake up call for everybody concerned if the money ends up being 10 dollars or a million.
Pro League gets no money from gate receipts. The competition is run by the TTFF. The only game I saw money taken at the gate was at the semi final and final. The whole competition was poorly run.
steups. this latest iteration of the professional league was the grand vision of one austin jack warner, among others. perhaps it should be put to rest and completely rebirthed in a year or two. despite the herculean efforts of a dedicated few, the PFL brass continues to steadfastly REFUSE to take initiatives to foster long-term organic growth. The government should not be handing out money willy-nilly to an organization that carries on year in year out with the same old failed ideas, the same unrealized 'plans' and the same tired old out-of-ideas gang.
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this whole tired bit about funding football to 'help' de yutes' is for the most part about as tangible as holding onto a giant fart and painting it green. exactly by how much does every government dollar spent on the pro-league reduce downstream cost of crime and social malaise? and how does that particular figure compare to cost reductions by education spending, and initiatives by say...the Ministry of Social Services....on refurbishing or building new community centers, parenting classes, arts and crafts training, technical skills training, anti-drug awareness programs etc.
The idea is simple...press for money by complaining 'de guvahment' do not care about football. Warner used to use that trick all the time, and it is pretty certain that some of that OUR money was diverted from football into bankrolling the PP. With all due respect to the people really trying to make things happen, the administrators in our clubs accross the nation are the ones upon whose shoulders the primary responsibility lies for making football a viable industry. They already had their chance to make a difference and they failed miserably
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this whole tired bit about funding football to 'help' de yutes' is for the most part about as tangible as holding onto a giant fart and painting it green. exactly by how much does every government dollar spent on the pro-league reduce downstream cost of crime and social malaise? and how does that particular figure compare to cost reductions by education spending, and initiatives by say...the Ministry of Social Services....on refurbishing or building new community centers, parenting classes, arts and crafts training, technical skills training, anti-drug awareness programs etc.
The idea is simple...press for money by complaining 'de guvahment' do not care about football. Warner used to use that trick all the time, and it is pretty certain that some of that OUR money was diverted from football into bankrolling the PP. With all due respect to the people really trying to make things happen, the administrators in our clubs accross the nation are the ones upon whose shoulders the primary responsibility lies for making football a viable industry. They already had their chance to make a difference and they failed miserably
I'm not a PP supporter anymore, but they failed under the PNM regime, back in 2006 forward...I fault the PP for not doing anything about it!
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Disappointment..something we have grown accustomed to as a people. That's why it's easy for leadership to disappoint ..they know that the people wouldn't expect any different.
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Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
By STEPHON NICHOLAS (NEWSDAY).
CENTRAL FC coach, Terry Fenwick, is adamant that three of his more senior players can make a positive impact on the national team.
Speaking with Newsday yesterday, Fenwick identified his club captain Jason Marcano, 38-year-old midfielder Marvin Oliver and goalkeeper Jan-Michael Williams as having roles to play to help in the resurgence of the Soca Warriors.
Williams got the gloves in Trinidad and Tobagos last international friendly against new Zealand on October 15, but Marcano has fallen out of favour while Oliver has been in the wilderness.
The Central FC coach was speaking just a few days after his team defeated Defence Force 2-1 to win the First Citizens Cup in a keenly contested final at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo.
In a game where Central FC had to come from a goal down, Williams was in sensational form in goal to keep the charging Army at bay. Oliver, wearing the captain arm-band instead of the suspended Marcano, helped Central settle into the game in his usual languid, but skilful style of play.
I am a big believer that Marvin would have a positive impact on the national team even if not for 90 minutes. He has the ability to calm a game and slow the tempo if needed, the former England defender explained.
Jan-Michael has been outstanding for us and the national team. Marcano to me has been one of the most unlucky players in Trinidad. Hes been playing very well for quite some time and doesnt get the recognition he deserves. (Kenwyne) Jones needs service (in the national team) in terms of crosses into the box and that is what Marcano can provide, he continued.
Commenting on the First Citizens final and the tactics employed, the Central FC coach elaborated on the changes he had to make after his team went down 1-0 after ten minutes.
I thought for 30 minutes they (Defence Force) dominated and could have scored two or three. We have a lot of young guys and they seemed a bit overawed by the occasion. We changed tactics and then began to find our feet...We started 3-5-2, but reverted to a 4-5-1 (defensive)/4-3-3 (attacking) that stopped the supply of balls to their attackers. It simplified the game for us and gave the team time to settle, he explained.
The sometime fiery coach acknowledged that Central FC, in just their second season in the top flight, are keen to play in the prestigious CONCACAF Champions league but they arent looking too far ahead just yet.
We need to keep focus one step at a time. We have a lot of youngsters and we want to keep their feet firmly on the ground. I ensure there arent any sweat in our sessions and we always have a theme so there is always something to be learnt, he concluded.
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Marcano is a decent player but his decision making is sometimes poor, he does run without sense sometimes.
Oliver is to slow for international football, like Theobald. Besides, we cant waste precious caps on a 38 old player.
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Marcano is a decent player but his decision making is sometimes poor, he does run without sense sometimes.
Oliver is to slow for international football, like Theobald. Besides, we cant waste precious caps on a 38 old player.
I agree with you on Oliver but is years now that boy should of been on our national team,i am glad Fenwick mention it but it's too late now.they found all kind of stupid excuses not play him when he was the best midfielder in the country,he even won a car for being voted Pro league player of the year. I would simple say his hair style kept him back (discrimination at best).
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Agreed that he has been a great underappreciated unsung hero locally who might have missed or been denied a chance. Too late for Oliver now. Too slow for the ferocious pace required of international ball. Nowadays every midfielder has to be very fit and track back faster than road runner. Could be easily used on the early Caribbean qualifiers if we cyah get the hylands and boucauds etc. Mind you them Caribbean qualifiers is serious business and we hah to bring out the full weaponry for dem hustlers in Grenada, Bermuda, Vincy and all ah dem.
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Sadly I think that when Hart picks between these two and youngsters about to break on the scene that he'd pick the latter - thinking of 2018 Qualifications (which will make or break his job)
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Good talk coops.
Cant understand why Oliver wasn't on T&T team a long time ago, now its to late for him to make any impact on that level.
I dont think its because of his hairstyle, because Sancho was there, but who knows.
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Good talk coops.
Cant understand why Oliver wasn't on T&T team a long time ago, now its to late for him to make any impact on that level.
I dont think its because of his hairstyle, because Sancho was there, but who knows.
Marvin was capped once for T&T.
Sometimes it's just bad luck. When Oliver played outside the National coach maybe couldn't afford to bring him back and chose a local? When he played in T&T, maybe the Coach preferred an overseas player like Birchall? It happens.
Steve Bruce won everything as Captain of Man U, but was never capped. Players like (I'm guessing here as I don't remember exactly) Tony Adams, Palister, Martin Keown were selected ahead of Bruce, which is fair enough, but there were also a lot of rubbish centre backs chosen ahead of him.
I'm sure if we saw who was chosen in front of Oliver over the last 20 years, we'd be aghast at some of the names!!
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Btw, if Fenwick wants to see crosses landing on Jones forehead then bring back Baptiste to do that and more. The real deal. Hart take note .... unless something is wrong with him healthwise that we need to know.
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I just hope we leave Fenwick where he is and far from the national team coach. Oliver ?? 38 years old as we speak ? he could not find a more interesting and sensible comment than that ?
Like he still trying to decide if to tackle Maradona ...when de man done gone !
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The man has to back his players - he could possibly be vocalising concerns he's seeing or hearing from his own players. Suffice to say they are good players, but probably too late for the national team :(
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Ode to Marvellous Marvin! Un-sung for sure and to me, as smooth as the likes of Hardest and Dawrika! As for flicks and tricks; might even be superior! IMO
Oh and as Jai say, Terry goin Mad but ah like him still. Is Ballz he does beat dem with!
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marvin too old... i cant remember the last time i see marcano kick a football, so i can't judge as to whether he should be on the national team, that is a decision steve should make
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Lard! Man was suggesting Fenwick to be the National team coach and this man talking about a 38 year old player when we building for 2018. Thanks TTFF for making a good decision in selecting Hart to coach the National team!
I only hope we can come up with the $ that will assist in building a proper national program, because qualifying for 2018 is no easy task.
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Lard! Man was suggesting Fenwick to be the National team coach and this man talking about a 38 year old player when we building for 2018. Thanks TTFF for making a good decision in selecting Hart to coach the National team!
I only hope we can come up with the $ that will assist in building a proper national program, because qualifying for 2018 is no easy task.
His comments are by no means an indictment of his ability to coach a national team.
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Lard! Man was suggesting Fenwick to be the National team coach and this man talking about a 38 year old player when we building for 2018. Thanks TTFF for making a good decision in selecting Hart to coach the National team!
I only hope we can come up with the $ that will assist in building a proper national program, because qualifying for 2018 is no easy task.
His comments are by no means an indictment of his ability to coach a national team.
Oh yeah...do you know the coach pick his players, so how will a 38 year old that can hardly keep up at the international level help him as a coach.
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Oh yeah...do you know the coach pick his players, so how will a 38 year old that can hardly keep up at the international level help him as a coach.
Your first assumption is that Fenwick would pick, let alone field Marvin Oliver in a competitive international game.
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Top Pro League goalscorers and goals:
1. Kerry Baptiste ................... 5
2. Rundell Winchester .............. 4
3. Kurt Frederick ..................... 3
4. Rennie Britto ....................... 3
5. Clevon McFee ...................... 3
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Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)
Just hours after Central FC booked its place in the 2015 CONCACAF Champions League qualifying phase, the Digicel Pro League club is set to reveal that its head coach, Terry Fenwick, will not take the Couva Sharks into the regional competition.
Instead, the 54-year-old Fenwick revealed today that he has agreed terms with Belgium lower division club, CS Vis, and should be unveiled by the European team next week.
It is a three year deal, Fenwick told Wired868. The bones of it have been thrashed out basically but we put pen to paper by this weekend. Then, I go over there to meet the press first thing next week.
His sudden departure ends a whirlwind 16-month spell at Central where he took the Sharks from the bottom half of the table to second place and title contenders. During that time, Central lifted the 2013 First Citizens Cup and 2014 Lucozade Sport Goal Shield and was twice a beaten finalist in the TTFA FA Trophy competition.
Central managing director Brent Sancho confirmed that Fenwick will remain in charge for Fridays Digicel Pro Bowl semi-final against bitter Couva rival, DIRECTV W Connection, at the Ato Boldon Stadium. He has vowed to temporarily return from Belgium too if the Sharks advance to the Pro Bowl final.
Sancho, who once played under Fenwick at San Juan Jabloteh, said Central was sad to see him go but was thrilled with the work he did there.
Terry has done a terrific job for us, Sancho told Wired868. He is definitely part of the Central FC family and we wish him all the best on his future endeavours We had a long chat today and have already talked about how he can assist us in the future.
The two parties confirmed that they are open to moving players from Central to Vis while Fenwick insisted the door was open to talent from other local teams as well. At present, Trinidad and Tobago already has two internationals in the Belgium top flight, Khaleem Hyland and Sheldon Bateau, and both played under the Englishman at Jabloteh.
Fenwick suggested that his knowledge of Hyland and Bateaus characteristics allows him to gauge the quality necessary for success in Belgium.
It is a possible shop window and I would want to forge as many relationships with Trinidad and Tobago teams as possible, said Fenwick. I know the players too well here and sometimes their confidence and character can be brittle. Sometimes the change of climate and culture can seriously affect their ability to perform when they travel.
But, with me there, now they know what to expect on the other end.
The Vis website has already revealed Fenwicks impending arrival while the club is also set to announce its new owners next week.
As a player, Fenwick represented England at the 1986 World Cup and captained Tottenham and Crystal Palace. His record as a manager in Europe is mixed, though.
He spent three seasons at then Division One club, Portsmouth, between 1995 and 1998 and, in his second full season, came within one place of a play-off spot for the Premier League. However, Fenwick was sacked the following season with Pompey at the bottom of Division One and the fans in revolt.
His second stint came at Northampton in 2003 and the club got a new owner, David Cardoza, within two weeks of Fenwicks arrival. The coach lasted just six weeks and seven winless games in total before he became the second of four sackings by the club in a tumultuous 10-month spell.
I had a terrible period (at Northampton), said Fenwick. There was a transfer embargo when I got there and certain things were not made clear to me about the job beforehand. Then, within two weeks of me taking over, the club changed hands and the Cardozas took over.
There is some uncertainty at Vis too. The club finished bottom of the First Division this season and is due to be relegated. But there is the possibility that the promoted teams would not meet the financial requirements necessary to take his new employers place.
Regardless, Fenwick is happy with his job description and excited by the new challenge.
It is a club with wonderful facilities and ambitious owners who want to be a development club that sends players on to the big leagues, he said. And I have a good history of developing players in Trinidad
They have been bottom of the league and well adrift for quite some time; so I am looking to bring pride and passion back to their set-up.
Fenwick, who married CTV corporate lawyer and Trinidadian Reyna Fenwick ne Kowlessar in January 2014, vowed to return to Trinidad to retire eventually. He credited his work at Jabloteh, where he won three league titles, for lifting the standard of professionalism in the local game and helping to develop dozens of players for international service.
Five of the Soca Warriors who played in Trinidad and Tobagos World Cup debut against Sweden in 2006Aurtis Whitley, Cornell Glen, Cyd Gray, Brent Sancho and Collin Samuelrepresented Jabloteh under Fenwick.
The combative Englishman often courted controversy in Trinidad too with his criticism of referees, local administrators and rival teams; as well as his infamous altercation with former Connection playmaker Gefferson Goulart. Fenwick was suspended for flattening the Brazilian with a forearm while Goulart was also sanctioned for celebrating in the formers technical area.
Fenwick admitted that his biggest regret was to have never coached the Trinidad and Tobago national team.
I would have loved to have had a crack at the national job here, he said, and whether it is politics or whatever that was never afforded to me. Im really disappointed about that.
Sancho referred to Fenwick as a true patriot and suggested that his new posting might be a blessing in disguise for local football.
He is a true patriot to our country and has gotten a terrific opportunity that will benefit our league, said Sancho. We have some tremendous boots to fill but no one is bigger than the club and the club has to move on.
Central has started drawing up a shortlist for a new coach and hopes to get someone able to help the club grow as an organisation as well as on the field. He mentioned only one possible replacement.
Stuart Charles, said Sancho, with a laugh.
The mischievous reference to the Connection coach suggests that the spiky rivalry between the two Couva clubs is unlikely to cool anytime soon.
Editors Note:
Digicel Pro Bowl semi-final fixtures on Friday 16 May 2014: Defence Force vs Police, 6 pm, Ato Boldon Stadium; W Connection vs Central FC, 8 pm, Ato Boldon Stadium.
A list of the nine Pro League head coaches and their prior roles with the Trinidad and Tobago national football team:
W Connection: Stuart Charles-Fevrier is a former senior team head coach
Defence Force: Ross Russell is a national youth team coach
Point Fortin Civic: Reynold Carrington is a former national youth team coach
North East Stars: Angus Eve is a former national youth team head coach
Caledonia AIA: Jamaal Shabazz is a former national senior team head coach
St Anns Rangers: Anthony Streete is a former national senior team coach
Police: Richard Hood is a former national womens youth team coach
San Juan Jabloteh: Kevin Jeffrey never coached a national team
Central FC: Terry Fenwick never coached a national team
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I thought this day would come after the Champions League. It would have been interesting to see what a Fenwick-coached national team would have amounted to ... Best of success to him. Brought a lot to the local game. Unquestionably.
Choose wisely Sancho ... yuh hadda sustain ah level.
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http://www.cs-vise.be/editorial/article.php3?id_article=12
as one door closes, another opens...we have 2 contacts in coaches now
even if that division real low, and they come last..
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How about Brian Haynes. Central like bringing players from overseas back, how bout a coach. Haynes won the NASL Coach of the year in 2013.
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Where to send resumes?
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http://www.cs-vise.be/editorial/article.php3?id_article=12
as one door closes, another opens...we have 2 contacts in coaches now
even if that division real low, and they come last..
I imagine that Terry will sign some decent players (hopefully, Trinis!) and the club will finish at least mid table next season (apparently, they will be remaining in the 2nd Division).
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How about Brian Haynes. Central like bringing players from overseas back, how bout a coach. Haynes won the NASL Coach of the year in 2013.
We have spoken to Brian, but he has just taken a new position.
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Central does really bowl some googlees, boy!!!! Good Luck ! Mr. Fenwick.
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Any links to any of Central full game.
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Top 10 jailed football stars.
1 Duncan Ferguson: Print Rangers striker served 44 days of a three-month term for assaulting Raith's Jock McStay.
2 Tony Adams: The Arsenal captain was jailed for four months for drink-driving.
3 Peter Storey: Arsenal defender got five years for car theft, counterfeiting and running a brothel.
4 Jermaine Pennant: Was with Birmingham when he was jailed for 90 days for drink-driving while banned.
5 Lee Hughes: The West Brom striker got six years for causing death by dangerous driving.
6 Eric Cantona: The Man Utd star was released after 24 hours of a two-week sentence for assault.
7 Peter Swan: He and Tony Kay of Sheffield Wednesday got four months and bans from the game in a 1964 betting scandal.
8 Joey Barton: Served six months on two separate charges of affray while with Newcastle and Man City.
9 Terry Fenwick: Four months for drink driving while with Leicester.
10 Graham Rix: Twelve months for underage sex and indecent assault.
eveningtimes.co.uk
Central knows how to pick them.
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Well if you want to keep up the English tradition you know where I am :p. Shocked, but it's nice to know that the division is being looked at seriously by those abroad. New coach should be interesting to say the least! I'm sure there are some good managers in the Super League or regional leagues who might like a move up.
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Top 10 jailed football stars.
1 Duncan Ferguson: Print Rangers striker served 44 days of a three-month term for assaulting Raith's Jock McStay.
2 Tony Adams: The Arsenal captain was jailed for four months for drink-driving.
3 Peter Storey: Arsenal defender got five years for car theft, counterfeiting and running a brothel.
4 Jermaine Pennant: Was with Birmingham when he was jailed for 90 days for drink-driving while banned.
5 Lee Hughes: The West Brom striker got six years for causing death by dangerous driving.
6 Eric Cantona: The Man Utd star was released after 24 hours of a two-week sentence for assault.
7 Peter Swan: He and Tony Kay of Sheffield Wednesday got four months and bans from the game in a 1964 betting scandal.
8 Joey Barton: Served six months on two separate charges of affray while with Newcastle and Man City.
9 Terry Fenwick: Four months for drink driving while with Leicester.
10 Graham Rix: Twelve months for underage sex and indecent assault.
eveningtimes.co.uk
Central knows how to pick them.
Thanks Jack. It's interesting to note how the UK sends to prison football people who break major laws such as drinking and driving, while T&T gives rewards them according to how big the crimes are. e.g.: Massive financial irregularities: Ministerial position.
Good system yoyu have here Jack! ???
By the way, will Jack be going to the World Cup?
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Good come back FS lol
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Top 10 jailed football stars.
1 Duncan Ferguson: Print Rangers striker served 44 days of a three-month term for assaulting Raith's Jock McStay.
2 Tony Adams: The Arsenal captain was jailed for four months for drink-driving.
3 Peter Storey: Arsenal defender got five years for car theft, counterfeiting and running a brothel.
4 Jermaine Pennant: Was with Birmingham when he was jailed for 90 days for drink-driving while banned.
5 Lee Hughes: The West Brom striker got six years for causing death by dangerous driving.
6 Eric Cantona: The Man Utd star was released after 24 hours of a two-week sentence for assault.
7 Peter Swan: He and Tony Kay of Sheffield Wednesday got four months and bans from the game in a 1964 betting scandal.
8 Joey Barton: Served six months on two separate charges of affray while with Newcastle and Man City.
9 Terry Fenwick: Four months for drink driving while with Leicester.
10 Graham Rix: Twelve months for underage sex and indecent assault.
eveningtimes.co.uk
Central knows how to pick them.
What exactly is "drink driving."?
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Ah see Jack Horner doing prison research.
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What exactly is "drink driving."?
DUI...
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Terry read d mark....enough is enough....
sure yuh love d culture but at end of d day....
how much more can u give and not get anything in return....
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Ah see Jack Horner doing prison research.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Fenwick did 4 months for drunk driving...and i thought he was quirky clean
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Fenwick did 4 months for drunk driving...and i thought he was quirky clean
Some people learn dey lesson when dey get ketch, s-s-some n-n-not s-so m-m-m-much!!
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Good come back FS lol
Your ball Jack!
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Any news on his replacement?
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What about Richard?
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=59251.msg844388#msg844388
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Wish Terry all the best ,but still sad to lose him. Guess he thought the senior team was in safe hands for now.
Wish Hart had gave him a try out for a coaching spot .
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Any news on his replacement?
We won't be rushing anything. Team is pretty much resigned for two years and we're speaking to several players. We really want to stay 100% Trini, but that may not be possible. We have had lots of responses so far, including guys from Turkey, Spain and USA, some of whom have the UEFA Pro Licence. We've also spoken to several local guys.
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Any news on his replacement?
We won't be rushing anything. Team is pretty much resigned for two years and we're speaking to several players. We really want to stay 100% Trini, but that may not be possible. We have had lots of responses so far, including guys from Turkey, Spain and USA, some of whom have the UEFA Pro Licence. We've also spoken to several local guys.
Wow that's fantastic that you have that pull. So if you were going to edge away from 100% Trini, would they be stop-gaps for the CFU or youth players?
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Just remember is TnT that give yuh that start- but wait nah ent we have nuff nationals coaching in the states at minor pro,and university levels
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Is Michael McComie name being mentioned ;D
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I like some of the things Central FC is about, however some of the dealings dont make sense. You talking about all local players however you never look at local coaches.
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Is Michael McComie name being mentioned ;D
Please !!!
I hope thats not true or else I am unfriending Central.
Look here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXDrEStIaF8)
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I like some of the things Central FC is about, however some of the dealings dont make sense. You talking about all local players however you never look at local coaches.
We've also spoken to several local guys.
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Is Michael McComie name being mentioned ;D
Please !!!
I hope thats not true or else I am unfriending Central.
Look here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXDrEStIaF8)
Sam, but the man is a local coach.
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From my close source, I heard that Brent Sancho was going to fire Terry Fenwick for some other reason, I cant say. The word leak and Fenwick take front and quit.
Fenwick going to coach in a club in Belgium for less money he was making at Central FC (i.e. 5,000 USD).
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Central FC has much much more leverage than before. They have rapidly become bigshots in T&T pro league football, already famous for scintillating derbys with top of the table rivals W Connection and now known for "binders full" of players on the national team led by the insightful BraveHart. Great credit to Fenwick, Sancho, Football Supporter and the rest of the owner/ management team. Already qualified for CONCACAF club championship qualifiers and that is a tremendous achievement after just a couple yrs. A delicious springboard for a new coach who could be tasting international club football soon. One thing to note is that although I never liked the quasi boom-kick long ball football that Fenwick employed, one thing he was a borse at was defense. When he held the reigns, Central refused to absorb goals against them, making them hard to beat. So the next coach must be a solid defense tactician and hopefully more into the ball-on-the-park style with flair. Go for it Sancho. Take your time and invest in quality. Fenwick played a great role but Iz time to move on to higher heights. Horner and them watching with pure gall-bladder-churning envy.
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Central FC has much much more leverage than before. They have rapidly become bigshots in T&T pro league football, already famous for scintillating derbys with top of the table rivals W Connection and now known for "binders full" of players on the national team led by the insightful BraveHart. Great credit to Fenwick, Sancho, Football Supporter and the rest of the owner/ management team. Already qualified for CONCACAF club championship qualifiers and that is a tremendous achievement after just a couple yrs. A delicious springboard for a new coach who could be tasting international club football soon. One thing to note is that although I never liked the quasi boom-kick long ball football that Fenwick employed, one thing he was a borse at was defense. When he held the reigns, Central refused to absorb goals against them, making them hard to beat. So the next coach must be a solid defense tactician and hopefully more into the ball-on-the-park style with flair. Go for it Sancho. Take your time and invest in quality. Fenwick played a great role but Iz time to move on to higher heights. Horner and them watching with pure gall-bladder-churning envy.
:beermug:
I have to disagree with the long ball comment, though. In fact, at times it was frustrating for us, having so much pace up front, but watching the players making lateral and backward passes. The tactics of passes for Winchester, Quintero, Mitchell and Plaza from midfield wasn't "long ball". Rarely would you see our defenders just launch a ball up front.
If a criticism is to be made, it would be that the players were encouraged to play for safety rather than flair. The common sound at any Central game was Terry shouting "pass, pass" even when we were on the edge of their box!!
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From my close source, I heard that Brent Sancho was going to fire Terry Fenwick for some other reason, I cant say. The word leak and Fenwick take front and quit.
Fenwick going to coach in a club in Belgium for less money he was making at Central FC (i.e. 5,000 USD).
There may have been changes to Terry's role, particularly as Technical Director, but there was no intention to sack him. I have no idea how much Terry will be earning in Belgium, but I imagine there will be lots of bonuses built into his package, particularly from transfer fees. This is good for us, because as soon as our players hit his club, he will be looking to promote them to move on to bigger clubs in Europe.
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FS. Ask Gally what he's up to. He may be just fleckin' excellent for your stage of development. Additionally he is known to be very good with defense, fond of local players being the bedrock of the team, known to have cultural competence to understand today's T&T youths like Guerra, Marcano and the rest and would create tremendous buzz for the investors. He will be able to thrive with Jackula and Cornmeals all more or less gone as they were his real thorn(s) in the side. Go for it!!!
Sancho take note!!! You are known to be a top tactician, already known to have fearlessly slain the Renraw dragon and eh done yet.
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From my close source, I heard that Brent Sancho was going to fire Terry Fenwick for some other reason, I cant say. The word leak and Fenwick take front and quit.
Fenwick going to coach in a club in Belgium for less money he was making at Central FC (i.e. 5,000 USD).
There may have been changes to Terry's role, particularly as Technical Director, but there was no intention to sack him. I have no idea how much Terry will be earning in Belgium, but I imagine there will be lots of bonuses built into his package, particularly from transfer fees. This is good for us, because as soon as our players hit his club, he will be looking to promote them to move on to bigger clubs in Europe.
I know you probably can't answer this question FS but does this mean that Central will be transferring a few players to CS Vise this window.
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From my close source, I heard that Brent Sancho was going to fire Terry Fenwick for some other reason, I cant say. The word leak and Fenwick take front and quit.
Fenwick going to coach in a club in Belgium for less money he was making at Central FC (i.e. 5,000 USD).
There may have been changes to Terry's role, particularly as Technical Director, but there was no intention to sack him. I have no idea how much Terry will be earning in Belgium, but I imagine there will be lots of bonuses built into his package, particularly from transfer fees. This is good for us, because as soon as our players hit his club, he will be looking to promote them to move on to bigger clubs in Europe.
I know you probably can't answer this question FS but does this mean that Central will be transferring a few players to CS Vise this window.
That would depend on Terry, his existing players and his budget. But I imagine we would need to start a "CS Vise for the season" thread!
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From my close source, I heard that Brent Sancho was going to fire Terry Fenwick for some other reason, I cant say. The word leak and Fenwick take front and quit.
Fenwick going to coach in a club in Belgium for less money he was making at Central FC (i.e. 5,000 USD).
There may have been changes to Terry's role, particularly as Technical Director, but there was no intention to sack him. I have no idea how much Terry will be earning in Belgium, but I imagine there will be lots of bonuses built into his package, particularly from transfer fees. This is good for us, because as soon as our players hit his club, he will be looking to promote them to move on to bigger clubs in Europe.
I know you probably can't answer this question FS but does this mean that Central will be transferring a few players to CS Vise this window.
That would depend on Terry, his existing players and his budget. But I imagine we would need to start a "CS Vise for the season" thread!
D man said 'YES!!' just not like dat lol. I wasnt gna ask but didnt want to here cuz amiel droppin hints in another thread
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FS. Ask Gally what he's up to. He may be just fleckin' excellent for your stage of development. Additionally he is known to be very good with defense, fond of local players being the bedrock of the team, known to have cultural competence to understand today's T&T youths like Guerra, Marcano and the rest and would create tremendous buzz for the investors. He will be able to thrive with Jackula and Cornmeals all more or less gone as they were his real thorn(s) in the side. Go for it!!!
Sancho take note!!! You are known to be a top tactician, already known to have fearlessly slain the Renraw dragon and eh done yet.
Gally have a nice role at UTT with Darren Ganga and looking at the Super League.
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FS. Ask Gally what he's up to. He may be just fleckin' excellent for your stage of development. Additionally he is known to be very good with defense, fond of local players being the bedrock of the team, known to have cultural competence to understand today's T&T youths like Guerra, Marcano and the rest and would create tremendous buzz for the investors. He will be able to thrive with Jackula and Cornmeals all more or less gone as they were his real thorn(s) in the side. Go for it!!!
Sancho take note!!! You are known to be a top tactician, already known to have fearlessly slain the Renraw dragon and eh done yet.
Gally have a nice role at UTT with Darren Ganga and looking at the Super League.
That's good news - so Super League will be losing some teams then - they want 16, rumours of Pro League expansion, so 2+2 means some Super League teams going up?
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It's a business, if the man wants a foreign coach, then so be it!!
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the pro league will miss terry...he good for the game here...
its crazy that he never got a job at any national level...somewhow i think he will be back one day
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Fenwick targets Central FC's dynamic duo.
By Inshan Mohammed.
Plaza, Winchester & Marshall linked.
Trinidad and Tobago striker Willis Plaza is heading to Belgium today via-London to seek-out a possible move to Belgian third division side Cercle Sportif Vis, the new Club of former Central FC's head coach Terry Fenwick.
The prolific Pro League striker is off to Belgium for contractual talks. Now a free agent and after an impressive half season with Central FC, Plaza and his management team have been receiving numerous offers for his services including another Belgian second division club and a first division team from Switzerland.
"One club (CS Vis) is leading the race, once personal terms and conditions can be agreed, we will make a statement on any signings" added his manager, Narada Wilson of TBL Sports."
Vis is a Belgian football club from the city of Vis in the province of Lige. They are playing in the Belgian second division. The club plays its home matches at Stade de la Cit de l'Oie in Vis. They are nicknamed Les Oies (the geese), after the city of Vis nickname. They were relegated last season to the third division and are looking to strengthen up their chances to win back promotion.
Plaza meanwhile, has represented his country's senior team 15 times and has 5 goals to his name.
The former Arima Senior Comprehensive player has played in both Trinidad and Tobago and Vietnam. Plaza came through the ranks of San Juan Jabloteh under the then head coach Terry Fenwick, before heading to Vietnamese Clubs Navibank Saigon and Sng Lam Nghệ An respectively.
In January 2014 the Mount Hope-born striker moved back to Trinidad and Tobago where he reunited with Terry Fenwick at T&T's newest football league club team Central FC. Since his signing Plaza has racked up 18 goals in 20 overall matches and copped the golden boot and most offensive player of the year awards. He is represented by TBL Sports Management whom by the way also represents Central FC's defender Yohance Marshall.
Speaking of which, during this year's Word Cup in Brazil, Marshall has also been shopping the market for a possible move. The defender had talks with Brazilian Seria-B club team Santa Cruz FC and they have shown a strong interest in him, however, Brazil has a year round window for locals and not a fixed window for internationals, therefore, TBL Sports are awaiting a set date for a possible move.
And if things doesn't work out in favor of the rugged defender he could very well be on the moved to MLS Canadian based teams Montreal Impact and, Vancouver Whitecaps, the club of T&T international Carlyle Mitchell as both is said to be showing some interest in the player however, with the limitations on international players set by MLS the club is awaiting some outgoing transfers in order to make room for further international signings.
Central FC's young footballer of the year Tobago-born striker Rundell Winchester, who, contract runs out in 2016 with the Sharks is also on Terry Fenwick's hot-list and is expected to join Plaza at CS Vis pending terms agreement.
The 20-year old former Stokely Vale FC striker has been a revolution for both club and country and looks almost certain to join CS Vis. In-addition to him being named young footballer of the year at Central FC, the speedy attacker were also voted by club and supports for the goal of the season.
Both Winchester and Plaza are likely to be signed as CS Vis has shown the most interest and with Fenwick there the move could work in both parties favor, however, there are one hiccup, the 46% tax on players salary is a major downfall and CS Vis will really have to dig deep in their pockets if they want both players signatures.
Central FC meantime isn't sitting and waiting and is already trying to fill the void by recent signings of Elijah Manners from San Juan Jabloteh, former T&TEC player 19-year-old midfielder Nathaniel Garcia, and 16-year-old Levi Garcia from Siparia Spurs. Also signing on is 19-year-old Denzil Daniel.
Zoran Vranes has been installed coach of Central FC which finished second in the Pro League last season under Englishman Terry Fenwick.
In related news, former T&T and Chainat FC winger Kendall Jagdeosingh who plays in the Thai Division 1 League recently moved from Trat FC to Phuket FC while North East Stars striker Trevin Caesar headed to NASAL team San Antonio Scorpions but is yet to make an appearance for his new team.
Former T&T striker Darryl Roberts also ply his trade in the Thai Division 1 League with Roi Et. Both Roberts and Jagdeosingh are tied at 8-goals for the season thus far. Jagdeosingh however, has one over his international teammate when he recorded his first hat-trick for the season in March 2014 against Ayutthaya FC.
Another T&T player doing well for his new club Rovaniemen Palloseura is Jamal Gay. Since converting to a defensive midfielder the former striker is having a field day. In his last 7 games his club is uneaten, Jamal has scored 1 goal and has 3 assists and was awarded man of match twice. Rovaniemen Palloseura (RoPS) will play in the Europa League qualifiers against Greek club Asteras Tripolis FC carded for next Thursday.
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Real action boy. T&T Pro League beginning to become a mining field.
Good stuff. As fast as they come, as fast they go.
As we said before Levi Garcia is an exciting signing.
Time to bring back Jagdeosingh with de money dey sell Plaza for.
Need a striker or 2 strikers to replace Plaza's work rate.
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Yes well see why yuh have tuh treat people good- yuh never know when they go scratch yuh back. This bodes well for we pro league fuh real.
On another note ah have tuh love this note by Flex:
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Long time now I seeing ideas or things written on this forum show up with in other media or as ideas from the brilliant leaders we have.
The power of the Swonline forums
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Good all round news.
Tops Flex.
T&T dailies ain't want nothing.
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Let dem come 'Bago and get Matty!
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how good is winchester?
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Central FC's young footballer of the year Tobago-born striker Rundell Winchester, who, contract runs out in 2016 with the Sharks is also on Terry Fenwick's hot-list and is expected to join Plaza at CS Vis pending terms agreement.
The 20-year old former Stokely Vale FC striker has been a revolution for both club and country and looks almost certain to join CS Vis. In-addition to him being named young footballer of the year at Central FC, the speedy attacker were also voted by club and supports for the goal of the season.
I trust he must be pretty good for a lot of people . ;D
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how good is winchester?
Here's a link to a 2 minute profile of Winchester
http://www.centralfctt.com/videos/video.php?v=12
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Wouldn't mind seeing Marshall here in Montreal. More reason to support the Impact but last time I checked they have 10 defenders on the team roster. Might be difficult to break through. They already traded last year's starting left back to NYCFC so he could get playing time.
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Let dem come 'Bago and get Matty!
Who???
how good is winchester?
He's very very good, you have to see him live, the video doesnt do justice to his ability
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Let dem come 'Bago and get Matty!
Who???
how good is winchester?
He's very very good, you have to see him live, the video doesnt do justice to his ability
looks like he has some pace and can dribble the football, would like to see him against european comp and also how his strength and skill measures up in belgium... by the looks of it, he should have gotten a run in the friendlies... plaza also should have gotten more minutes..
ill reserve my comments for now until i see him against intl opponents
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Let dem come 'Bago and get Matty!
Who???
how good is winchester?
He's very very good, you have to see him live, the video doesnt do justice to his ability
looks like he has some pace and can dribble the football, would like to see him against european comp and also how his strength and skill measures up in belgium... by the looks of it, he should have gotten a run in the friendlies... plaza also should have gotten more minutes..
ill reserve my comments for now until i see him against intl opponents
I think it's accepted that he is the fastest sprinter in the Pro League. He had around 85 minutes vs Jamaica and won the penalty for Kenwyne. Only got 2 or 3 mins vs Argentina. He seems to be a "big game" player, scoring in both Lucozade and First Citizens cup finals. In my opinion, if he received more work on his explosive speed and he gets his head straight, he will be an automatic choice on the MNT.
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Man hv that explosive speed!
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A few doors opened for Marshall since the Argentina match ... ah Daniel Cyrus
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A few doors opened for Marshall since the Argentina match ... ah Daniel Cyrus
Hah now you've raised it I can't think of much else! How different it could have been! Cyrus did what he thought was best for his career, sadly for him it might not have been the right move, but I'm very happy for Yohance to show the world just how good he is - people been underestimating him for a long time.
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A few doors opened for Marshall since the Argentina match ... ah Daniel Cyrus
Hah now you've raised it I can't think of much else! How different it could have been! Cyrus did what he thought was best for his career, sadly for him it might not have been the right move, but I'm very happy for Yohance to show the world just how good he is - people been underestimating him for a long time.
I agree, but if you ply your trade so far away from home, people will forget you. I think Central proved that there are some decent Trinis playing in minor leagues overseas who could make the national team. But, of course, the money in the Pro League is not as good. But I do feel that the ProLeague is a better jump off point to Europe and MLS.
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I hope he pays Central ah fee for them players because he like freeness
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I hope he pays Central ah fee for them players because he like freeness
Plaza was out of contract, so no fee there.
With Winchester, we will receive a percentage of any sell on fee. There's not really a selling market for Pro League players. Clubs want to see these guys perform in their own backyards as they have no clue about the ProLeague standard (whether it's equivalent to say, English League 1 or 2, Belgian League 1, German League 1 etc)
So, it seems the only way for players to get into a decent league is to use clubs such as Vise as a shop window. Vise need to sell players to survive so they will push to get our guys a next move. Meanwhile, the players gain some experience of life overseas and earn a better wage.
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Willis Plaza signs to play in Belgium with CS Vise
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtLz5aeCYAAPTRw.jpg)
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A few doors opened for Marshall since the Argentina match ... ah Daniel Cyrus
lets not go there.. the man waste an opp and he is the best defender we have with the most potential to play at the highest level.. >:(
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A few doors opened for Marshall since the Argentina match ... ah Daniel Cyrus
lets not go there.. the man waste an opp and he is the best defender we have with the most potential to play at the highest level.. >:(
To play devil's advocate, I imagine he's looking to progress and get out of his comfort zone, and join a club that is professional and offers 5 days a week training, as well as a wage he can live on and raise a family on. Who's to say he would have played well? Maybe he would have buckled under the pressure and missed the Vietnamese opportunity and stagnated for another year?
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He deserve one, big time.
When he got the job to coach Northampton Town, de first thing he did was signed Brent Rahim.
Now the first thing he did after becoming coach for CS Vise, is he signed Winchester and Plaza and I hear he looking at more players.
HE DID NOT HAVE TO DO THIS, there are thousand of players in Europe, Africa and other places he could have gotten and cheaper too.
We have Dennis Lawrence at Everton, Russell Latapy at Inverness, Yorke and Hislop who have big respect from teams in Europe and not one of them ever even recommend a player for a little trial self. Maybe Latas once with Theobald.
Fenwick teams he coach in T&T (Jabloteh and Central) have a 99% local Trinbago on it, Jabloteh was 100% Trini and Central was also 100% local in de late half and WIN titles with them.
He got/help with contracts for Collin Samuel, Kelvin Jack, Hector Sam, Khaleem Hyland, Guerra, Cornell Glen, etc etc...
Fenwick develop many players, at a young age, Kevin Molino, Collin Samuel, Nigel Daniel, Ataullah Guerra, Willis Plaza, Lester Peltier, Elton John, Joel Russell and Devon Jamerson, Cleon John, Trent Noel, Johan Peltier, Robert Primus, Khaleem Hyland along with Mikeil Williams. All these men came through Fenwick while he was coach with Jabloteh, he signed them in his youth system and break them out. Even Kelvin Jack, Ian Gray, Keyeno Thomas and Cyd Gray all work under him.
He also develop coaches like Angus Eve. He took him under his wing and taught.
De man deserve respect.
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:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: I wonder why this coach was never considered as a staff for any of our national senior teams? He has the knowledge the familiarity of our players and lived here yet during our dark days of WC qualifications he was never considered- could have been a help for Latas and Maturana or Otto- well boi whomever had this man blacklisted must have benefitted from some big Guyanese dollars lol
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He must be still trying to make up for the clothesline ;)
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Plaza will destroy the teams he meets in that Belgium league. I'm confident having seen his exploits in T&T, Vietnam and Arabia when he scored as a sub with the first touch of the ball.
All the best Plaza. You are going to be special.
Eat a food and keep yuh head on. Thanks Fenwick.
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Yup true servant of the Trinbagonian game in that respect - how many coaches from anywhere done as much to further the careers of so many players both home and abroad?
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I also dislike the statements about using a 100 percent local squad, most times clubs use young and local only because of budget restrictions.
Jabloteh wasn't in that boat palos so keep within context. With TF that was a choice he made and nothing to do with being hamstrung by budget limitations
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Its good to see the views of persons in a positive light but i would like us to think deeper. Lawrence is at Everton, even if he wanted he can't bring players up due to UK restrictions, we are talking EPL standard football, Can we name 3 players locally who can play there at this moment. Latas and others weren't in such positions. Mr Fenwick has developed quiet a few young players however the details of these contracts most have never seen and what was in it for all parties involved. I also dislike the statements about using a 100 percent local squad, most times clubs use young and local only because of budget restrictions. I believe football has room for only the best, we want our boys go abroad so we need to welcome those from abroad. What was all these players salaries like before leaving? His qualification speak volumes and a chance at National level should have happened but I dont know what the selectors look for, if we have a panel that is
While coaching Jabloteh, Fenwick sent all those players through recommendations, I am sure our players can do the same, no one saying they have to be EPL teams, I am sure they have connections with others clubs and managers.
All our players need is a little boost.
And what details you talking about, since when players details does be reveal except if is EPL teams.
Ent you is de agent for Plaza, tell we de details on Plaza contract nah? De man getting our players a chance to play in a better league and environment and to make a lil extra.
Fenwick, did not have to sign an players from T&T, ok, remember that.
Ent Stuart Chalres does sign plenty St Lucians, everybody does look out for they own.
We have men who known in Europe, you could more than get a trials for players at a lower level.
Look Yorke for example, he promise Tobago defender Dwight Pope who playing for Jabloteh he will help him, you eh hear nothing from that again.
When Fenwick was with Jabloteh we was beating teams like Arnett Gardens, W Connection, San Francisco F.C., Alpha United, Inter Moengotapoe and Chicago Fire in de CCL and CFU.
So Fenwick deserve respect.
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:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: I wonder why this coach was never considered as a staff for any of our national senior teams? He has the knowledge the familiarity of our players and lived here yet during our dark days of WC qualifications he was never considered- could have been a help for Latas and Maturana or Otto- well boi whomever had this man blacklisted must have benefitted from some big Guyanese dollars lol
Ask Jack and Camps!!!!
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When Fenwick was with Jabloteh we was beating teams like Arnett Gardens, W Connection, San Francisco F.C., Alpha United, Inter Moengotapoe and Chicago Fire in de CCL and CFU.
He also had abundant resources from CLICO. Jabloteh started going down when CLICO/DUPREY scandal broke.
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Its good to see the views of persons in a positive light but i would like us to think deeper. Lawrence is at Everton, even if he wanted he can't bring players up due to UK restrictions, we are talking EPL standard football, Can we name 3 players locally who can play there at this moment. Latas and others weren't in such positions. Mr Fenwick has developed quiet a few young players however the details of these contracts most have never seen and what was in it for all parties involved. I also dislike the statements about using a 100 percent local squad, most times clubs use young and local only because of budget restrictions. I believe football has room for only the best, we want our boys go abroad so we need to welcome those from abroad. What was all these players salaries like before leaving? His qualification speak volumes and a chance at National level should have happened but I dont know what the selectors look for, if we have a panel that is
While coaching Jabloteh, Fenwick sent all those players through recommendations, I am sure our players can do the same, no one saying they have to be EPL teams, I am sure they have connections with others clubs and managers.
All our players need is a little boost.
And what details you talking about, since when players details does be reveal except if is EPL teams.
Ent you is de agent for Plaza, tell we de details on Plaza contract nah? De man getting our players a chance to play in a better league and environment and to make a lil extra.
Fenwick, did not have to sign an players from T&T, ok, remember that.
Ent Stuart Chalres does sign plenty St Lucians, everybody does look out for they own.
We have men who known in Europe, you could more than get a trials for players at a lower level.
Look Yorke for example, he promise Tobago defender Dwight Pope who playing for Jabloteh Central F.C. he will help him, you eh hear nothing from that again.
When Fenwick was with Jabloteh we was beating teams like Arnett Gardens, W Connection, San Francisco F.C., Alpha United, Inter Moengotapoe and Chicago Fire in de CCL and CFU.
So Fenwick deserve respect.
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When Fenwick was with Jabloteh we was beating teams like Arnett Gardens, W Connection, San Francisco F.C., Alpha United, Inter Moengotapoe and Chicago Fire in de CCL and CFU.
He also had abundant resources from CLICO. Jabloteh started going down when CLICO/DUPREY scandal broke.
I was waiting for de ole dogs and them to bring this up.
So Jabloteh was broke before Fenwick came to Jabloteh?
Ent all de other coach before and after had de CLICO deal and had money to?
Ent Fenwick win them titles with a fully local team and not all of them was national T&T players?
Ent Fenwick win two titles and was Pro League runner up with Central, who don't even have a decent set of money?
Get real bro, he did better than your Defence Force and Police team consistently.
W Connection had to bring a set of Brazilians and Colombians, Caledonia bring a set of Guyanese and Grenadian and Joe Public bring a set of Jamaicans and other foreigners to win anything.
Terry did it with all locals.
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I am sure if Fenwick was a blackman nuff praise would come from some of allyuh.
Give Jack he jacket.
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Fenwick is d best local coach we have. So glad he took my boy Rundell though, a well disciplined youth
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I remember a few years ago there were people questioning the ability of Sir Alex. Not for what he achieved at Man U, but because he had two decades to organise the club from top to bottom. It was argued that if he changed clubs every two or three years a la Mourinho et al, he would not have fared well. The debate also went on to ask the same of Bill Shankly (my all time hero), Bob Paisley etc. One of the examples was the difference between Brian Clough's reign at Leeds compared to Forest and Derby.
So, I guess the same point could be made about Fenwick. He achieved at Jabloteh, then stepped into a mid season club, steadied the ship and achieved again. I don't think there are many Pro League coaches who have won trophies with more than one club?
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I am sure if Fenwick was a blackman nuff praise would come from some of allyuh.
Give Jack he jacket.
Sam drinking and smoking the weed of wisdom don't work with you. I eh have nothing against Fenwick. I think he has done a great job in TT. First of all why you bringing up this whiteman bullshit with me. Fenwick never coach TT because he and Jack Warner did not see I to I. And Jack picked Porterfirld and Otto(the German to coach TT. Them is whitemen). If you want to know why Fenwick never coach TT, go Chaguanas where Jack is, and ask him.
Jabloteh's performance in the CCL pinnacled after they beat Chicago in TT, and after that, what? Fenwick was stiffled by the old TTFF, not what football fans say. The regular socalled football could careless who TTFA pick.
Police and DF were not my team. I told you my team was Essex. And Fenwick was supposed to have Jaloteh do better than those 2 teams. He had some of the best players. And like I said before, his team was well funded by Clico.
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I am sure if Fenwick was a blackman nuff praise would come from some of allyuh.
Give Jack he jacket.
Sam drinking and smoking the weed of wisdom don't work with you. I eh have nothing against Fenwick. I think he has done a great job in TT. First of all why you bringing up this whiteman bullshit with me. Fenwick never coach TT because he and Jack Warner did not see I to I. And Jack picked Porterfirld and Otto(the German to coach TT. Them is whitemen). If you want to know why Fenwick never coach TT, go Chaguanas where Jack is, and ask him.
Jabloteh's performance in the CCL pinnacled after they beat Chicago in TT, and after that, what? Fenwick was stiffled by the old TTFF, not what football fans say. The regular socalled football could careless who TTFA pick.
Police and DF were not my team. I told you my team was Essex. And Fenwick was supposed to have Jaloteh do better than those 2 teams. He had some of the best players. And like I said before, his team was well funded by Clico.
After than, ask Ricky Hill, he was de coach. De second game vs FIre, Ian Gray get a red card in de 36 min and Jabloteh just fall flat, that could happen to any team.
And I eh talking about Fenwick coaching T&T, I referring to, de man deserve some respect and I know people on this site who doh post no more woulda sing praises to his name if he was a blackman.
He did better than many foreign coach coaching in T&T in recent times.
De FIRST thing de man do after he sign for a foreign club, is sign our players.
HE DID NOT HAVE TO DO THAT, there are THOUSANDS of players in EUROPE.
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These was some of the team in them days.
San Juan Jabloteh:
Daurance Williams, Kelvin Jack; Keyeno Thomas, Ronald Primus, Ansil Elcock, Nigel Daniel, Ian Gray, Cyd Gray; Trent Noel, Angus Eve, Josh Johnson, Stokley Mason, Michael Celestine, Travis Mulraine, Kerry Baptiste; Otis Seaton, Nigel Pierre, Cornell Glen, Kerry Noray.
W Connection:
Alejandro Figueroa; Reynold Carrington, Lyndon Diaz, Arnold Dwarika, Kerwin Jemmott, Rawle Fletcher, Silvio Spann, Kenwyne Jones; Elijah Joseph, Jose Luis Seabra, Ronaldo Viana, Gefferson Goulart; Leonson Lewis, Jason Marcano, Titus Elva, George Issac, Kendall Davis, Earl Jean.
Chicago Fire:
Henry Ring; Evan Whitfield, Leonard Griffin, Jim Curtin, C.J. Brown, Chris Armas, Logan Pause, Dipsy Selolwane, Andy Williams, Kelly Gray, Justin Mapp, DaMarcus Beasley; Damani Ralph, Nate Jaqua.
Arnett Gardens:
Allan Reid, Wayne Ellis, Alex Thomas, Oneil Dunn, Keith Kelly, Cornel Chin-Sue, Gerald Neil, Everton Bunsie, Gregory Messam, Jonathan Williams, Kwame Richardson, Ray Graham, Leon Strictland, Denton Sheddon, S.Collins, E.Barnes, A.Morgon, A.Burke.
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And I eh talking about Fenwick coaching T&T, I referring to, de man deserve some respect and I know people on this site who doh post no more woulda sing praises to his name if he was a blackman.
Who say Fenwick is/was not respcted on this forum? He was well respected. He had all the credentials to be the national coach. As good as a football coach he is, he used to get under the skin of a lot people, even some on this forum. To some he was too loquacious or verbose to their liking. He was a bit of Jose Mourinho. In one game he "clouted" a player for some "chupidness", and there was a big write up on it in the papers. Fenwick did not have anything to prove to me. He could have and should have been selected coach of the national. But your HNIC in Central did not like him. So go and vent your fustration on the MP for Chag. West, or East. Or the Centre of Dis-Excellence.
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And I eh talking about Fenwick coaching T&T, I referring to, de man deserve some respect and I know people on this site who doh post no more woulda sing praises to his name if he was a blackman.
Who say Fenwick is/was not respcted on this forum? He was well respected. He had all the credentials to be the national coach. As good as a football coach he is, he used to get under the skin of a lot people, even some on this forum. To some he was too loquacious or verbose to their liking. He was a bit of Jose Mourinho. In one game he "clouted" a player for some "chupidness", and there was a big write up on it in the papers. Fenwick did not have anything to prove to me. He could have and should have been selected coach of the national. But your HNIC in Central did not like him. So go and vent your fustration on the MP for Chag. West, or East. Or the Centre of Dis-Excellence.
I created this thread to big up de man and give him respect for signing our players, something no other has done, not even we own Trinis in a foreign club.
I eh de one who bawling de man was successful because of Jabloteh CLICO money.
You could have all de money in de world and still fail.
Remember that.
Anybody looking out for WE players I love them for that.
F00ck Yorke and company.
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F00ck Yorke and company.
Oh!, So your beef is really with Dwight and Latas? Nah, I can't help you with that one.
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Plaza, Winchester joins Fenwick at Belgiums CS Vise.
ttproleague.com.
Trinidad and Tobago international forwards Willis Plaza and Rundell Winchester have signed multiple-year deals in Belgium with third division outfit Cercle Sportif Vis.
Last week Plaza, who turns 27 on August 3, penned a two-year deal, while the much younger 21-year-old Winchester, in his first move outside of T&T, secured a three-year contract with CS Vis.
Both deals were linked by newly installed Vis head coach Terry Fenwick, who coached both players at Central FC in the TT Pro League last season and also had time with Plaza at former club San Juan Jabloteh.
Fenwick, a former England and Tottenham defender, who had success during his spells in the TTPL winning three league titles with Jabloteh among various knockout titles and last season finished Central FC in second and with two knockout titles, was lured by Vis on a three-year contract.
The 54-year-old Fenwick has been tasked with improving the standard of play at Vis and returning the club to the second division, after the underperforming Les Oies were demoted to the third division at the end of last season following a miserable rock-bottom finish.
Last season in the TTPL, Plaza and the Tobago-born Winchester both served Fenwick well, and had the attention of T&T head coach Stephen Hart throughout.
Plaza, who had stints in Vietnam with Navibank Saigon and Song Lam Nghe An, said, at Vis, he intends continue his rich scoring form; of 18 goals in 20 appearances for Central after signing on for the second half of last season.
However Plaza says his focus is to attract the interest bigger clubs in Europe.
I feel good about my move to Vis, not only because its a stepping stone to [bigger opportunities in] Europe, but because Vis are a good team and Terry is here as well, said the T&T forward.
Its an improvement in my career because playing in Europe means playing in the eyes of the world. Id try to achieve what I can here at Vis but my intention is to reach the top. I am going to work hard and score goals but at the end of that, I am using this opportunity to further my career, ended Plaza.
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Allyuh didn't warn Plaza about dat "stepping stone" talk?
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He doesnt listen to anyone that boy.
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Heard some news that Winchester & Plaza club gone bankrupt and now they stuck.
Not 100% sure.
Did anyone hear this too?
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Interesting. Did a quick check and the club website and facebook page are out of date. Last entries are from early August.
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Heard some news that Winchester & Plaza club gone bankrupt and now they stuck.
Not 100% sure.
Did anyone hear this too?
Where is the nearest embassy?
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Fenwick really blight boy.
Portsmouth hate him.
Jabloteh went broke.
The Queens Park deal with St. Annes Rangers fell through - Now this.
If true, sorry for them two yutes. They have promise.
VB
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We actually have 4 players there.
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It's difficult to find out what is happening. There certainly appears to be financial problems and several key staff have jumped ship. The players have contacted us, but there is not much that we can do, especially as Plaza, Villaroeal and John went as free agents.
There is a Belgian players union, but I have no idea how strong or efficient it is.
But we are continuing to try to shake the trees at this end. Talking to FIFA to determine if they can return to us outside of the transfer window if their contracts have not been honored.
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... too many opportunities in Belgium to just return without putting themselves on the front step.
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... too many opportunities in Belgium to just return without putting themselves on the front step.
Only if you can afford accommodation, food etc until January transfer window opens!!
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... too many opportunities in Belgium to just return without putting themselves on the front step.
Only if you can afford accommodation, food etc until January transfer window opens!!
Yeah but they will not be transfers. They are free agents and have no contracts, not so?
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... too many opportunities in Belgium to just return without putting themselves on the front step.
Only if you can afford accommodation, food etc until January transfer window opens!!
Yeah but they will not be transfers. They are free agents and have no contracts, not so?
Depends how the situation is viewed. Winchester is definitely a transfer. The other players will have to have their registrations transferred from CS Vise unless they are released by the club, which the club may not want to do as they have to continue to play fixtures.
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Real shame for hte players involved - to have settled half-way across the world and potentially have to come back again :(
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Fenwicks back! Feisty Englishman makes shock return to Central FC
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)
Call him the unsinkable Terry Fenwick.
The former England World Cup defender left Trinidad and Tobago Pro League club, Central FC, last year for greener pastures with Belgium lower division club, CS Vis, and took three of Couva-based teams best players with him.
The Vis dream turned into a nightmare and the Trinidad and Tobago exports to the obscure club, Willis Plaza, Rundell Winchester, Elton John and Kevon Villaroel, returned with sad tales of broken promises and unpaid wages. At present, Vis, which imploded financially soon after Fenwick joined them, is in 16th place in the Belgium third division and in danger of relegation.
It is uncertain when the Englishman abandoned the Belgium club.
However, tomorrow morning, Fenwick will officially rejoin them at the Couva Sharks as their new head coach. Zoran Vranes, a native of the former Yugoslav republic, will step aside and take over the position of Central technical director with responsibility over the youth and womens teams.
Vranes will essentially act in place of Central director of womens and youth football, George Romano, who is recovering from a stroke he suffered last month.
Central operations director Kevin Harrison, who is also advisor to Sport Minister Brent Sancho, confirmed that the feisty Englishman was back in the drivers seat.
We are in the last furlong now and the results havent been spectacular, Harrison told Wired868. Maybe they were getting jaded and needed a little freshener. The players will have to try a bit harder now and refocus to get in the team under a new coach.
The decision is arguably harsh on Vranes who, at present, has the Sharks at the top of the table and in line for their first domestic league title. Central also retained the 2014 First Citizens Cup under the former Trinidad and Tobago World Youth Cup coach.
However, the Sharks were experiencing a mini-blip after a 1-1 draw to Defence Force on Saturday and a TTFA FA Trophy semi-final defeat to bitter rivals, DIRECTV W Connection, last week.
Harrison admitted that it was not a unanimous decision.
At the end of the day, the (Central) board did say the team was top of the league and doing quite well but it was more about getting the pieces in the right places, said Harrison, who is also British. With George not being there and our Easter camps and so on coming up, we needed more experienced hands to take care of our academy.
Vranes developmental role has been pretty good and then you had Terrys record last season of 17 games unbeaten. It seemed a better fit.
Harrison said Central was not put off by Fenwicks disastrous spell at Vis, which led to the Pro League team paying to bring its players back and then offering them stipends while they waited for the January transfer window to open.
Terry was just an employee of the club, he wasnt making decisions there, said Harrison. In fact, Terry was trying to intercede on behalf of the players If I say we will pay you this much money and the board runs out of money, it isnt my fault. That would be blaming the messenger
I think the team is excited because a lot of them had a good relationship with Terry. If Vranes was fired that might be different because a lot of players like Vranes and enjoy working with him. They actually have an extra coach now rather than losing one.
Harrison rebuffed rumours that Sancho personally signed off on Fenwicks return, despite the Sport Ministers claim he was no longer involved with Central so as to avoid a potential conflict of interest.
Brents heart will always be with Central but we have a board in place and there is a degree of separation, said Harrison. I cant say we will never ask for his advice or opinion Central FC will always be his baby and it is hard to totally detach yourself.
But there must be a degree of separation and, in this case, it was my decision.
Harrison declined to name the members of the Central FC board.
Id rather not, he said. I think theyd rather sit in the background.
Fenwick confirmed his return to Central FC but did not comment further up until the time of publication.
The Englishman, who captained Tottenham Spurs and Crystal Palace in the English top flight and is a former Portsmouth manager, first came to Trinidad in 2001. He led CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh to back to back league titles in 2002 and 2003 before returning to England for a short and unmemorable stint with lower league team, Northampton.
He returned to Jabloteh in 2005 anddespite walking off the job twice due to work disputeshelped the club to two more league titles in 2007 and 2008 and, even after the Clico turmoil, still helped the San Juan Kings to a FA Trophy before he left for good in 2011.
Two years later, he took over from compatriot and ex-Chelsea coach, Graham Rix, at fledgling club, Central, and led them to them to the First Citizen Cup and Lucozade Goal Shield crowns.
Now, he has rejoined the Sharks again with the team trying to stave off defending champions and bitter rivals, W Connection. Cue fireworks.
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Harrison declined to name the members of the Central FC board.
Id rather not, he said. I think theyd rather sit in the background.
Interesting...
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Never a dull moment.
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Harrison declined to name the members of the Central FC board.
Id rather not, he said. I think theyd rather sit in the background.
Interesting...
Ha... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
They remind me of TTFF under Camps and now the TTFA.
Blind, firing coaches for friends. Vranes is the reason why they are tops right now and they fire him for Sancho buddy a KKK coach.
Central operating very unprofessional.
Kevin and Sancho will destroy sports in T&T, cant wait for election.
Sancho only worry about facilities.
He have a chance to help ballers in T&T but only barking.
Central firing coach for no reason to accommodate a racists and giving Vranes a meaningless TD work to keep him happy.
Fenwick screw up 4 T&T players in Belgium because he operating like a double agent and now he back in T&T.
Only in T&T where they afraid of the English man.
Kevin Harrison is a leach.
He have no teeth and sucking Kamla cabinet dry.
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So Vranes lead Central to first place and only 3 lost for the season and they
fire ship him out to TD position to hire Fenwick who screwed up four Central players and try to squeeze agent money from them.
Vranes is so close to winning de title and they move him. And now Fenwick go come in and take credit if Central win de title.
Talk about a Jack Warner move.
Sancho learn good under Jack.
Is de way they does do things does f00cking piss me of, like how they handle Roopie to.
I hope when Fenwick jumps ship again for money in some foreign country Vranes say no to de job if they offer him back, then again, he looking for wok years now in T&T, they treating him de same way years now, from Joe Public to de TTFF.
Next thing, allyuh go see Fenwick coaching T&T football team once Sancho stay as MOS.
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If varnes had an issue with it he would not take the TD job.
these men know what they doing they all on the same team
they is trinidad football lifers not born in tnt but gave so much to the game in tnt.
TnT is a sweet place to work and make money if it was not so why would they be there.
It have men born right they in trinidad that not willing to step up and be professional and do the job.
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If varnes had an issue with it he would not take the TD job.
these men know what they doing they all on the same team
they is trinidad football lifers not born in tnt but gave so much to the game in tnt.
TnT is a sweet place to work and make money if it was not so why would they be there.
It have men born right they in trinidad that not willing to step up and be professional and do the job.
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Central FC explain Fenwick for Vranes switch
T&T Newsday Reports.
CENTRAL FC, the Digicel Pro League leaders, surprised the local football community on Wednesday when they announced the return of Terry Fenwick to the Sharks as coach.
The Englishman, who led Central FC on an unbeaten 17-match run last season, departed to Belgium in the summer to take charge of CS Vise. However, the Belgian club ran into financial difficulties and Fenwick opted to leave the club and return to Trinidad.
The club faced several challenges after Director of Youth and Womens Football, George Romano suffered a stroke, said Central FC manager Kevin Jeffrey, in a media release issued yesterday. Naturally, losing George temporarily has left a huge gap to fill. Given his outstanding record of youth development, the board wanted Zoran Vranes to have more input in that area.
Jeffrey said that it was impossible for Vranes to coach five teams and oversee the clubs plans to develop a youth academy.
When the board saw that Terry was available, it seemed a perfect fit. Terry knows eighty percent of the players very well, so there would be no transitional period, hell hit the ground running.
Vranes, who built a solid reputation coaching the national Under-17 and Under-20 teams, has had a successful season at Central FC lifting the First Citizens Cup, Rawle Fletcher Cup and Akeem Adams Cup and spending the majority of the season on top of the Pro League.
Zoran has done a remarkable job at Central this season, said Jeffrey. Hes a favourite with the players, staff and supporters and is very much part of the fabric of Central FC. I know that he relishes his new appointment as technical director and will lead the way in developing the next generation of Central FC and national team players. His passion is with developing young players and his temperament and approach suit the role perfectly.
Meanwhile, the Couva-based club announced the Central FC Chuck E Cheese Easter Camp, in association with the Mayor of Chaguanas Gopaul Boodhan, which will take place at Lange Park from April 7-10. The camp will cater for children between the ages of six and 12.
Registration takes place on Tuesday at 9 am, at a cost of $300 per person.
We are delighted to partner with Chuck E Cheese and the Mayor of Chaguanas in this camp, said Jeffrey. It will see the launch of a weekly Central FC Chuck E Cheese coaching school at Lange Park as well as a free Soccer Sircus which will visit areas throughout the Central regions on Saturday afternoons.
Jeffrey applauded Chuck E Cheese for their support of the camp and coaching school. Were expecting Chuck E Cheese to visit the camp in person as well as many of Central FC players, so it will be a lot of fun for the kids.
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I was looking for Football Supporter to enlighten us as to this development. The silence is not in keeping with his track record of giving us the inside story and the facts. Or is he in shock? It also raises the question - what is the criteria foe success among our local clubs. Who makes the decision about firing the coach?
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I was looking for Football Supporter to enlighten us as to this development. The silence is not in keeping with his track record of giving us the inside story and the facts. Or is he in shock? It also raises the question - what is the criteria foe success among our local clubs. Who makes the decision about firing the coach?
No coach has been fired. A certain amount of restructuring was required following on from the tragedy that struck George Romano. With 50% of staff travelling overseas for the CCC, changes had to be made.
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Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes among possibilities as new coach
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868.com)
Caribbean and Pro League champions, Central FC, are on the hunt for a new head coach after failing to agree terms with Englishman, Terry Fenwick, who steered the Couva Sharks to the 2015 Caribbean Club Championship and Digicel Pro Bowl titles and led the team for their last three Pro League outings, as they wrapped up the domestic crown.
Fenwick joined the Sharks in 2013 and led them to second place and a Caribbean Club Championship spot for the first time before he departed in June 2014 for a brief and disastrous stint with financially-ailing lower league Belgium club, CV Vise.
He replaced his own successor at Central, Serbian Zoran Vranes, in March 2015 and completed their League chase and added two more titles for good measure in as many months.
But the relationship between the two parties looks to have come to an abrupt end once more.
The outspoken coach, who was an England 1986 World Cup player, said he was in negotiations with Central for a new deal over the past month. However, he hinted that the two sides did not see eye-to-eye on the administrative state of the club.
Just after noon today, the Central board informed Fenwick, via email, that he would not receive a new contract.
I turned an offer down (from Central) 10 days ago and I gave them a ballpark at what im looking at, Fenwick told Wired868. But the situation is that at a time when the club has had such success and gotten a wonderful draw in the Champions League, there is a lot of disarray behind the scenes
It is not just my contract. None of the staff are signed up and most of the players are out of contract.
Central operations director Kevin Harrison said he was not involved in Fenwicks contract negotiations but suggested that the matter was a failed contract negotiation.
(Fenwick) met with the board and I suppose what ever he wanted wasnt met and he is gone, said Harrison. Without a doubt we wanted him to continue but presumably we couldnt agree to the terms he wanted and that was that.
Centrals close season featured a near mutiny by its players over bonus payments while nearly half the first team squad and the entire coaching staff is out of contract. And the Sharks will play their first Champions League game in less than two months.
Fenwick expressed frustration with the administrative state of the club.
There is no understanding at what goes into making a successful team at board level, he said, and I am not prepared to continue with no staff and no players while we get closer to what is a huge game for Trinidad and Tobago football (against LA Galaxy).
I wanted to start pre-season on Monday (June 29) and I would have wanted to be close to a full squad as possible The club is in no shape or form ready for a CONCACAF draw against Galaxy.
However, Harrison denied Central was in turmoil and claimed that their post-season sluggishness was a result of the drawn out contract negotiations with Fenwick. He said the Sharks hoped to have a head coach in place before they began signing support staff and players.
Until the deal with Terry was agreed, we couldnt agree contracts for coaching staff or players, said Harrison. If there is any delay on the part of Central FC, it was because of the delay with Terry. So now we will look for a new coach.
Harrison, who is also British, said talks have begun with their coaching staff from last season and he suggested that any one from Dale Saunders, Kevin Jeffrey, Marc Leslie, George Romano or Anthony Rougier were fully capable of starting Centrals pre-season training.
He revealed that Central board is likely to talk to its former head coach, Vranes, before interviewing new candidates. At present, Vranes is the Trinidad and Tobago National Under-23 Team head coach although he has not been paid by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFA).
The Serbian was shafted to allow Fenwick to carry the Sharks to glory last season. Harrison did not quite remember that way, though.
We didnt replace him, we moved him within the club, said Harrison. He did a fantastic job last year and we will be mad not to talk to him. You only have to look at his record last year to see that
But for now, I just want to know what his goal for the future is. We clearly cannot have a coach or technical director who is not available for us by the end of July.
The Under-23 Team will be at the Toronto 2015 Pan American Games in mid-July. And, if they advance from their Caribbean preliminary group, the Warriors face their next round of 2016 Olympic qualifiers in August.
Central FC have never hired a local coach. The clubs first appointment was Englishman Graham Rix who was followed by Fenwick, Vranes and Fenwick again.
Harrison suggested that Fenwick and Vranes could be considered Trinis by now but claimed the Sharks have interviewed locals and would not rule out hiring a head coach who was born in Trinidad and Tobago. And that includes this countrys most capped outfield player, Angus Eve, who just left his post at the helm of North East Stars.
Either way, Harrison claimed there was no panic at Central.
We will sit down with Vranes to see what his situation is and we would not rule out having him as coach, technical director or caretaker, he said. There are several coaches who we will look to talk to, although there is no one in mind at the moment. But there is no panic.
There will be certain staff that we will offer contracts to early next week and they will be able to take over training and get everything nice and stabilised. So when the players come back from the Gold Cup, everything is in place for them.
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Vranes is like a hand me down coach...
:rotfl: :rotfl:
What a f00cking yoyo...
Like Fenwick want back he $50,000 a month.
How come Kevin Harrison never involved in anything but involved in everything... :devil:
Sancho is becoming a real Jack Warner boy.
This will affect their chances in the the CCL.
Anytime a T&T team do good its always some comess coming with it.
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gb8702 ... the gig is yours.
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Honestly, I did not see that coming. But I do know Central better be prepared for LA. Or else they will be fried-shark. Seriously, not joking
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How come Kevin Harrison never involved in anything but involved in everything... :devil:
Yuh see it?! lol
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How come Kevin Harrison never involved in anything but involved in everything... :devil:
Yuh see it?! lol
:beermug: :)
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Kevin harrison if nobody eh say it..... i go say it... yuh real deceitful, yuh damn well know whats ip and involve so doh come wid de nonsense .... who yuh tink yuh fooling!!!
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Kevin harrison if nobody eh say it..... i go say it... yuh real deceitful, yuh damn well know whats ip and involve so doh come wid de nonsense .... who yuh tink yuh fooling!!!
Explain please????
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Is this becoming a PNM site?
Why are you not asking the same questions of Daryl Mahabir at North East?
A coach has every right to ask for a salary and a club has every right to work within it's budget.
No business, whether football. manufacturing or services can agree to contracts it cannot fulfill. Terry was contracted until 31st May and did a great job. Central F.C. would have liked to keep him on board. However, the club couldn't meet his terms.
So both parties have to move on.
And all this talk of players our of contract ......Central still have the best squad in T&T and will be adding to it.
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Case of the club's budget not being in stride with the expectations created by its ambitions and success?
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Is this becoming a PNM site?
A most curious comment... how did politics (and the PNM, specifically) reach in this?
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Central and Fenwick part ways
T&T Newsday Reports.
CENTRAL FC, the Caribbean and Pro League champions, Central FC are in the market for a new head coach, according to a report appearing on Wired868 on Thursday evening.
The report said the club failed to agree terms with Terry Fenwick, the Englishmen who steered the Couva Sharks to the 2015 Caribbean Club Championship and Digicel Pro Bowl titles and led the team for their final three as they wrapped up the domestic (TT Pro League) championship.
I turned an offer down (from Central) ten days ago and I gave them a ballpark at what Im looking at, the report quotes Fenwick.
But the situation is that at a time when the club has had such success and gotten a wonderful draw in the Champions League, there is a lot of disarray behind the scenes
It is not just my contract. None of the staff are signed up and most of the players are out of contract.
Fenwick was informed by email at noon yesterday that he would not be receiving a contract. It is also rumoured that the entire coaching staff out of contract Fenwick also expressed frustration that preparation has not started for the clubs first Champions League fixture, against the LA Galaxy in less than two months.
I wanted to start pre-season on Monday (June 29) and I would have wanted to be close to a full squad as possible, Fenwick told Wired.
The club is in no shape or form ready for a Concacaf draw against Galaxy.
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Vranes have to be a dodo to accept that job.
First, he basically made them won the title and Fenwick came in with a few game left and acting like he did all of this.
Vranes was just swept aside as coach and given a TD job with the club. A position that is basically a none factor.
He then took the job to coach T&T Under 23 team while still holding the TD post for Central, a team (U23) that is punished by none other than Central CEO and now Central wants him back.
Why should he be disrespected and then run back but knowing Vranes, he cannot say no, Jack Warner had him the same way. Sancho obviously have the markings of another Warner.
Angus Eve on the other hand is a stubborn guy and will more or less be another Fenwick as once things start running good he will demand more, remember, Fenwick his is mentor.
I do like Kevin Harrision and most of the times I read his post but I find since Sancho became MOS it has taken away from Kevin and now he is a politician's right hand man who is fighting to stay in T&T and is caught in the crossfire, lord alone knows why he would want to stay in a country with so much controversies.
Sancho will bring him down if he doesn't watch himself. He has built a good name with Central and I hope he does not loose it.
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Is this becoming a PNM site?
A most curious comment... how did politics (and the PNM, specifically) reach in this?
I wondering that myself. WDMC? Seems like a common tactic...anything remotely seen to be against anything that associated with the government is automatically PNM. But...this supposed to be a Pro- League team...a private entity... :-\
I really dont understand. Yesterday on the radio Fenwick said that in addition to negotiations (which, apparently preliminary offers were made) he had an issue with the plan for CL preparation. Something like 13 first team players would have been out of contract. Why all this necessary? Really?
I find myself wishing Vranes blanks it.
I dunno how Eve would take it..but...he might.
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Is this becoming a PNM site? I guess I said this out of frustration. It seems that anytime my name is mentioned since Sancho took office I'm described as "deceitful" etc What is deceitful about not agreeing to a coaches demands?
As I said, why didn't people ask these questions of Mahabir? But the answers are so obvious. Terry has requested a figure that is unrealistic. Until we appoint another coach, it makes no sense signing players wholesale as the new coach may want some different players. We have an excellent core squad under contract and just need to add one or two additional quality players. The transfer window does not open until next week, so there is no rush.
As for staff, the majority will be remaining. However, we can't give a contract to an assistant coach as, again, the new coach may want to bring his own assistant (just like Terry did when he first joined) So the coaches will stay but we cannot confirm their job titles yet.
Preseason was planned to begin next week and that will probably still be the case with our coaches beginning fitness programmes. This will give us 5 weeks preseason before Champions league begins.
As for Vranes, it is common for a Technical Director to caretake the coaches role in between appointments if required.
No scene.
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Vranes needs to be paid first and foremost, so I'd probably not turn it down in his position if the reports about his lack of pay as U23 manager are true. Besides, he knows the club and people and was successful so far.
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Have any players been identifed as released from the club?
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Is this becoming a PNM site? I guess I said this out of frustration. It seems that anytime my name is mentioned since Sancho took office I'm described as "deceitful" etc What is deceitful about not agreeing to a coaches demands?
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At the risk of stating the obvious, the deceit alleged refers to what you say you know or don't know (or were involved in or not involved in). But your answer actually provides the indictment.
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Blame it on the PNM! FSthis is far from a political site as it is more a foru to speak out agNist the " rubbish" that spews out of malcontent , incompetent and self serving I dividualswho seem bent on destroying and bleeding the coffers of TnT dry at the expense of people.
Now do owners deserve a ROI on their investment? Yes by all means - it's a business! If a team is successful and have claimed huge prize money, should players expect some percentage or some good will bonus? What would a caring ethical management do?
How did it feel Sancho to be denied funds after 2006? and what did you win? How'd idiot feel to get the government cheque?
Yuh think Fenwick is not privy to the monetary gains that management is playing with? Wanting a larger piece of the lie is natural- kinda like fly to honey.
The moral of the story- greed shall be the downfall of them all ot Not the PNM! Lol
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I met one of the Central players and he said they want to know about their future as some of them contracts are about to end, they also said that if Fenwick doesn't come back some of them are planning to boycott.
They said they would not play for Angus Eve.
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I met one of the Central players and he said they want to know about their future as some of them contracts are about to end, they also said that if Fenwick doesn't come back some of them are planning to boycott.
They said they would not play for Angus Eve.
not sure if you're an agent or rep players in some manner or the other. But this rather unprofessional. That is club and player business and should not make it on the street as in this case here. Plus you concerned about your contract/future but you done talking bout not wanting to play for AE?
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Is this becoming a PNM site?
Why are you not asking the same questions of Daryl Mahabir at North East?
A coach has every right to ask for a salary and a club has every right to work within it's budget.
No business, whether football. manufacturing or services can agree to contracts it cannot fulfill. Terry was contracted until 31st May and did a great job. Central F.C. would have liked to keep him on board. However, the club couldn't meet his terms.
So both parties have to move on.
And all this talk of players our of contract ......Central still have the best squad in T&T and will be adding to it.
You sir are a compounded jackass!!! for you to imply that this is becoming a PNM site means that you have drunk from the Koolaid....
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Is this becoming a PNM site? I guess I said this out of frustration. It seems that anytime my name is mentioned since Sancho took office I'm described as "deceitful" etc What is deceitful about not agreeing to a coaches demands?
As I said, why didn't people ask these questions of Mahabir? But the answers are so obvious. Terry has requested a figure that is unrealistic. Until we appoint another coach, it makes no sense signing players wholesale as the new coach may want some different players. We have an excellent core squad under contract and just need to add one or two additional quality players. The transfer window does not open until next week, so there is no rush.
As for staff, the majority will be remaining. However, we can't give a contract to an assistant coach as, again, the new coach may want to bring his own assistant (just like Terry did when he first joined) So the coaches will stay but we cannot confirm their job titles yet.
Preseason was planned to begin next week and that will probably still be the case with our coaches beginning fitness programmes. This will give us 5 weeks preseason before Champions league begins.
As for Vranes, it is common for a Technical Director to caretake the coaches role in between appointments if required.
No scene.
do your thing bro. don't let too much people here get under your skin. already you do more than your fair share plus more for t&t football and posting on this site...misstep here and there but keep it 100.
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Is this becoming a PNM site? I guess I said this out of frustration. It seems that anytime my name is mentioned since Sancho took office I'm described as "deceitful" etc What is deceitful about not agreeing to a coaches demands?
As I said, why didn't people ask these questions of Mahabir? But the answers are so obvious. Terry has requested a figure that is unrealistic. Until we appoint another coach, it makes no sense signing players wholesale as the new coach may want some different players. We have an excellent core squad under contract and just need to add one or two additional quality players. The transfer window does not open until next week, so there is no rush.
As for staff, the majority will be remaining. However, we can't give a contract to an assistant coach as, again, the new coach may want to bring his own assistant (just like Terry did when he first joined) So the coaches will stay but we cannot confirm their job titles yet.
Preseason was planned to begin next week and that will probably still be the case with our coaches beginning fitness programmes. This will give us 5 weeks preseason before Champions league begins.
As for Vranes, it is common for a Technical Director to caretake the coaches role in between appointments if required.
No scene.
do your thing bro. don't let too much people here get under your skin. already you do more than your fair share plus more for t&t football and posting on this site...misstep here and there but keep it 100.
Thank You Larry
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So you and Central FC want to represent the Red, White and Black in a tournament that, believe it or not, you and Central FC are not ready for nor will you be ready for. You are just another 3 easy points. Houdini couldn't help your football club if he was your head coach. Better yet, why don't you and your club save us the frustration and the embarrassment and don't show up.
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So you and Central FC want to represent the Red, White and Black in a tournament that, believe it or not, you and Central FC are not ready for nor will you be ready for. You are just another 3 easy points. Houdini couldn't help your football club if he was your head coach. Better yet, why don't you and your club save us the frustration and the embarrassment and don't show up.
In what way is Central F.C. not ready? I'm not sure, but I don't think any team who qualified for Champions League began pre season in June?
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Is this becoming a PNM site?
Why are you not asking the same questions of Daryl Mahabir at North East?
A coach has every right to ask for a salary and a club has every right to work within it's budget.
No business, whether football. manufacturing or services can agree to contracts it cannot fulfill. Terry was contracted until 31st May and did a great job. Central F.C. would have liked to keep him on board. However, the club couldn't meet his terms.
So both parties have to move on.
And all this talk of players our of contract ......Central still have the best squad in T&T and will be adding to it.
You sir are a compounded jackass!!! for you to imply that this is becoming a PNM site means that you have drunk from the Koolaid....
Apparently, I am allowed to make comments. There are many incorrect and mischievous statements made here. If I can be accused of being deceitful, why can't I suggest some posters may have a political stance?
How come Kevin Harrison never involved in anything but involved in everything... :devil:
Yuh see it?! lol
As Terry stated, he chose to bypass me and negotiate directly with the Board. Of course, I was advised of the state of those negotiations. Seems fairly straight forward to me.
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who owns Central FC again? can you remind me
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who owns Central FC again? can you remind me
speaking about duplicity, how about your comments referring to individuals of my ilk??? care to answer my question, what you meant by that??
can you answer please...
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Is this becoming a PNM site?
Why are you not asking the same questions of Daryl Mahabir at North East?
A coach has every right to ask for a salary and a club has every right to work within it's budget.
No business, whether football. manufacturing or services can agree to contracts it cannot fulfill. Terry was contracted until 31st May and did a great job. Central F.C. would have liked to keep him on board. However, the club couldn't meet his terms.
So both parties have to move on.
And all this talk of players our of contract ......Central still have the best squad in T&T and will be adding to it.
You sir are a compounded jackass!!! for you to imply that this is becoming a PNM site means that you have drunk from the Koolaid....
Apparently, I am allowed to make comments. There are many incorrect and mischievous statements made here. If I can be accused of being deceitful, why can't I suggest some posters may have a political stance?
How come Kevin Harrison never involved in anything but involved in everything... :devil:
Yuh see it?! lol
As Terry stated, he chose to bypass me and negotiate directly with the Board. Of course, I was advised of the state of those negotiations. Seems fairly straight forward to me.
so only now you have figured out that there are ardent pro PNM supporters towing the party line on here???
How long it take you to realize that, before or after they attacked you???
my fight for neutrality and pro TT football on sw.net is drowned out by many insecure and brainwashed individuals that cling together in solidarity not to support or strengthen our nation and football, but themselves and their political affiliations..
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who owns Central FC again? can you remind me
speaking about duplicity, how about your comments referring to individuals of my ilk??? care to answer my question, what you meant by that??
can you answer please...
keep proving yuhself
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You don't think? Once again you are not thinking. I don't know which is more dangerous, you don't thinking or you thinkng. To complicate matters, you don't know what's going at your own club but you pretend to know that nobody is preparing in June for a tournament that starts sooner than you think. That doesn't surprise me. You are following a pattern of Trini clubs that don't know how to prepare for success. So I will say it again. That flag that you want to carry is heavier than you think.
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Is this becoming a PNM site?
Why are you not asking the same questions of Daryl Mahabir at North East?
A coach has every right to ask for a salary and a club has every right to work within it's budget.
No business, whether football. manufacturing or services can agree to contracts it cannot fulfill. Terry was contracted until 31st May and did a great job. Central F.C. would have liked to keep him on board. However, the club couldn't meet his terms.
So both parties have to move on.
And all this talk of players our of contract ......Central still have the best squad in T&T and will be adding to it.
You sir are a compounded jackass!!! for you to imply that this is becoming a PNM site means that you have drunk from the Koolaid....
Apparently, I am allowed to make comments. There are many incorrect and mischievous statements made here. If I can be accused of being deceitful, why can't I suggest some posters may have a political stance?
How come Kevin Harrison never involved in anything but involved in everything... :devil:
Yuh see it?! lol
As Terry stated, he chose to bypass me and negotiate directly with the Board. Of course, I was advised of the state of those negotiations. Seems fairly straight forward to me.
so only now you have figured out that there are ardent pro PNM supporters towing the party line on here???
How long it take you to realize that, before or after they attacked you???
my fight for neutrality and pro TT football on sw.net is drowned out by many insecure and brainwashed individuals that cling together in solidarity not to support or strengthen our nation and football, but themselves and their political affiliations..
Contro, Breds, our football was in a mess with Jack for over 20 yrs. It became a political football when he joined the UNC. Well, what do you expect from some on this forum? Rejoice??!!! It was obvious they would excruciate the UNC. How could this party(with its platform of ending corruption) allow this man to join their party, knowing full well of his pass in football corruption.
Well, you or anyone on the other side, can say he is free to associate with which ever party he wants. And you know what, that is correct. So when members start blasting the UNC, you find they drinking PNM koolaide. Contro, this man acted as PM, you hear PM, on a number of occasions. Would you put Jack in that position if you were the PM, knowing of his checkered pass. He was untouchable because he was a FIFA official. And he became double untouchable when he became a UNC MP.
And what making matters worse, Tim is the mayor of POS, and PNM treasurer. Is Tim Kee getting a free pass from the forum? Check the posts on Tim Kee. Most forumites want him gone. He gets pilloried by most forumites.
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who owns Central FC again? can you remind me
speaking about duplicity, how about your comments referring to individuals of my ilk??? care to answer my question, what you meant by that??
can you answer please...
keep proving yuhself
didn't realize you insane enough to talk to yourself... answer the question... you afraid???
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Is this becoming a PNM site?
Why are you not asking the same questions of Daryl Mahabir at North East?
A coach has every right to ask for a salary and a club has every right to work within it's budget.
No business, whether football. manufacturing or services can agree to contracts it cannot fulfill. Terry was contracted until 31st May and did a great job. Central F.C. would have liked to keep him on board. However, the club couldn't meet his terms.
So both parties have to move on.
And all this talk of players our of contract ......Central still have the best squad in T&T and will be adding to it.
You sir are a compounded jackass!!! for you to imply that this is becoming a PNM site means that you have drunk from the Koolaid....
Apparently, I am allowed to make comments. There are many incorrect and mischievous statements made here. If I can be accused of being deceitful, why can't I suggest some posters may have a political stance?
How come Kevin Harrison never involved in anything but involved in everything... :devil:
Yuh see it?! lol
As Terry stated, he chose to bypass me and negotiate directly with the Board. Of course, I was advised of the state of those negotiations. Seems fairly straight forward to me.
so only now you have figured out that there are ardent pro PNM supporters towing the party line on here???
How long it take you to realize that, before or after they attacked you???
my fight for neutrality and pro TT football on sw.net is drowned out by many insecure and brainwashed individuals that cling together in solidarity not to support or strengthen our nation and football, but themselves and their political affiliations..
Contro, Breds, our football was in a mess with Jack for over 20 yrs. It became a political football when he joined the UNC. Well, what do you expect from some on this forum? Rejoice??!!! It was obvious they would excruciate the UNC. How could this party(with its platform of ending corruption) allow this man to join their party, knowing full well of his pass in football corruption.
Well, you or anyone on the other side, can say he is free to associate with which ever party he wants. And you know what, that is correct. So when members start blasting the UNC, you find they drinking PNM koolaide. Contro, this man acted as PM, you hear PM, on a number of occasions. Would you put Jack in that position if you were the PM, knowing of his checkered pass. He was untouchable because he was a FIFA official. And he became double untouchable when he became a UNC MP.
And what making matters worse, Tim is the mayor of POS, and PNM treasurer. Is Tim Kee getting a free pass from the forum? Check the posts on Tim Kee. Most forumites want him gone. He gets pilloried by most forumites.
brother, what was JW before he became UNC ??? Only when he became a UNC supporter did the attacks become even more ferocious than before and continued... I don't agree with what UNC did and they were hypocritical to do so but PNM was doing the same donkey years now , so how are they any different???
There are certain members on this site who are not asking for the removal of tim kee, check the posts and see if they are pushing hard, in fact, alot of them who support PNM are mute or have very little criticism but when they wake up in the morning and sign in on the board, they coming at sancho with full force...
once again brother, i am pro TT and pro progress for TT football.. i don't give a damn about PNM or UNC... i leave that for the small minded posters who actually feel politics in TT is real, when in fact it's theatrics to manipulate the ignorant and uneducated masses who choose to believe in their false prophets, spewing their false messages..
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who owns Central FC again? can you remind me
I think you know this as this issue was raised back in February. Brent Sancho is the club owner, but once he took office he stepped back from day to day involvement. Do we talk about Central? Of course. Many M.P.s have businesses that they step back from when in office.
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You don't think? Once again you are not thinking. I don't know which is more dangerous, you don't thinking or you thinkng. To complicate matters, you don't know what's going at your own club but you pretend to know that nobody is preparing in June for a tournament that starts sooner than you think. That doesn't surprise me. You are following a pattern of Trini clubs that don't know how to prepare for success. So I will say it again. That flag that you want to carry is heavier than you think.
KD, I am scared shitless of the Champions League. I've never organised a game with a potential attendance of 20,000. Nobody currently active in T&T football has organised a game with a global TV audience of such magnitude, not even TTFA. But again. you're statements are feeding of articles in the press that aren't accurate. Carry on believing them if you want, but you know that journalists regularly get things wrong. I had a long chat with Lasana when he called for my comments. He only put a fraction into his article. Why? Because there is no news if a club is in good shape. We can field a team of contracted players right now who would probably beat any Pro League team. When the new coach is appointed he will decide on who stays and who comes in. I won't sign players that a coach may not select. Makes no sense. Look how Drogba and deSilva sat on the bench for 6 months from January 14. Yet this season they played virtually every game.
As for staff, we have a great bunch of coaches who will begin pre season. Also, all contracted players are having their visa status confirmed now. Once the new coach arrives, designated positions such as Asst Coach, Reserve Coach etc will be assigned.
I get very defensive at the moment because these same questions are not being asked about other clubs. Has anybody asked Terry what his terms were that Central refused to meet? Coz I'm damn certain you would understand why we didn't resign him. Maybe it's because Central are the top club, however, me, being paranoid, feel that certain people here just want to attack me or Sancho for political reasons. Maybe I am being paranoid.
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who owns Central FC again? can you remind me
I think you know this as this issue was raised back in February. Brent Sancho is the club owner, but once he took office he stepped back from day to day involvement. Do we talk about Central? Of course. Many M.P.s have businesses that they step back from when in office.
Sorry but that's a rubbish excuse. He should not be put in a position to compromise himself.
It's like Buxo Potts "advising" the BBC but managing/training fighters.
Like when Warner "advised" the TTFF but his son "owned" Joe Public.
We have to wait and see if Sancho makes decision re. CFC and hope it's done in an arbitrary manner. He never should have been put in this position. But this TT land of the assholes. Brent seems to be doing a decent job as MOS but you DON'T put ppl in a position where they can be compromised. But we in TT take it so.
VB
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who owns Central FC again? can you remind me
speaking about duplicity, how about your comments referring to individuals of my ilk??? care to answer my question, what you meant by that??
can you answer please...
keep proving yuhself
didn't realize you insane enough to talk to yourself... answer the question... you afraid???
it bothering you eh? good let it bother you.....
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who owns Central FC again? can you remind me
speaking about duplicity, how about your comments referring to individuals of my ilk??? care to answer my question, what you meant by that??
can you answer please...
keep proving yuhself
didn't realize you insane enough to talk to yourself... answer the question... you afraid???
it bothering you eh? good let it bother you.....
nothing bothering me fellah, just waiting for you to expose yourself for who you really are and what you really think... ;)
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Is this becoming a PNM site?
Why are you not asking the same questions of Daryl Mahabir at North East?
A coach has every right to ask for a salary and a club has every right to work within it's budget.
No business, whether football. manufacturing or services can agree to contracts it cannot fulfill. Terry was contracted until 31st May and did a great job. Central F.C. would have liked to keep him on board. However, the club couldn't meet his terms.
So both parties have to move on.
And all this talk of players our of contract ......Central still have the best squad in T&T and will be adding to it.
You sir are a compounded jackass!!! for you to imply that this is becoming a PNM site means that you have drunk from the Koolaid....
Apparently, I am allowed to make comments. There are many incorrect and mischievous statements made here. If I can be accused of being deceitful, why can't I suggest some posters may have a political stance?
How come Kevin Harrison never involved in anything but involved in everything... :devil:
Yuh see it?! lol
As Terry stated, he chose to bypass me and negotiate directly with the Board. Of course, I was advised of the state of those negotiations. Seems fairly straight forward to me.
so only now you have figured out that there are ardent pro PNM supporters towing the party line on here???
How long it take you to realize that, before or after they attacked you???
my fight for neutrality and pro TT football on sw.net is drowned out by many insecure and brainwashed individuals that cling together in solidarity not to support or strengthen our nation and football, but themselves and their political affiliations..
What a preposterous judgement and absurb conclusion to come to- what gains could anyone get here by touting a particular party line?
Look when yuh see nonsense be it from Tom Dick or Kathy you call it as you see fit. I am more appalled by people who seem to be avoiding the non action on the government of the major issues which remains unsolved- no one seems to respond to these.
Doh go pulling the party card - yuh begging to sound like a certain party affiliate whoe familiar refrain is toblamePNM for all their woes and short comings.
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Is there really a price tag in Fenwick's mind that merits his non-participation in the CCL? Ah mean yuh went to Belgium ostensibly to move to an elevated market, what's worth turning your back on the elevated stage of the CCL, and the opportunities it could yield?
What is this leaving Central about? Dollars? If so, is the disparity in the $ wanted and the $ on offer worth not taking a squad you know intimately onto a stage that you should relish?
Or, could Fenwick be afraid of the CCL challenge and its implications? He doesn't strike me as that person, but I'm not an authority on stagefright.
Frankly, very few things about T&T football disappoint or surprise me, but I find Fenwick's departure from the club disappointing.
Similar questions could be asked of the club. If you've invested in an outcome, has anything you've done worked to impede that outcome?
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Is there really a price tag in Fenwick's mind that merits his non-participation in the CCL? Ah mean yuh went to Belgium ostensibly to move to an elevated market, what's worth turning your back on the elevated stage of the CCL, and the opportunities it could yield?
What is this leaving Central about? Dollars? If so, is the disparity in the $ wanted and the $ on offer worth not taking a squad you know intimately onto a stage that you should relish?
Or, could Fenwick be afraid of the CCL challenge and its implications? He doesn't strike me as that person, but I'm not an authority on stagefright.
Frankly, very few things about T&T football disappoint or surprise me, but I find Fenwick's departure from the club disappointing.
Similar questions could be asked of the club. If you've invested in an outcome, has anything you've done worked to impede that outcome?
Despite the criticism, I really believe that bringing in Terry for the CFU, Pro Bowl and the final league games was a good decision. Terry's tactical decisions were superb. Even one of his arch critics, Jamaal Shabazz, told me he was impressed by Terry's tactics in Guyana. So, yes, I think Terry would do well in CCL. However, everyone has the right to value themselves as they see fit. His request was too rich for Central, but maybe he has a plan B? Whatever, I hope he stays in T&T football because I think the game will be better with his involvement, although I wouldn't enjoy playing against him!!
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Fenwick like to much blasted money if you ask me and he know he have Central by they balls because they need him. I hope they dont break, de timing of this is bad, it shows no dovotation to a club that basically rescue him after Jabloteh went bankrupt with de CLICO incident.
He went Belgium and it did not work out and came back and they still accepted him back even though he pull ah agent stunt on Plaza and them agent so he and Central could profit.
:rotfl:
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Fenwick like to much blasted money if you ask me and he know he have Central by they balls because they need him. I hope they dont break, de timing of this is bad, it shows no dovotation to a club that basically rescue him after Jabloteh went bankrupt with de CLICO incident.
He went Belgium and it did not work out and came back and they still accepted him back even though he pull ah agent stunt on Plaza and them agent so he and Central could profit.
:rotfl:
so he and Central could profit. Not sure about Terry, but Central made no money out of the players going to Belgium. In fact it cost us as we paid for Winchester & Plaza's flights home when they were stranded.
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Fenwick looks like he is bipolar and just always unreliable and causing unexpected drama. Might be a good coach but something is not quite right with his head. There should always be a plan B dealing with people like him. He must be congratulated for getting Central where they reached but time to move on, preferably with tried and tested Vranes who put in the foundation for this season's success.
FS stop farting around, sign the coach and get the players training before you blow this opportunity.
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FS, as much as I understand your logic in not hiring Fenwick, I must say it is a bit unsettling given all the positive things your club has represented in it short period of existence. I know coaches come, coaches go. But good coaches are a rare commodity in TT. Unless you want to give a local a chance for the next big stage, It appears that you maybe looking to bring someone from outside. Right or wrong? The time period is very short for the next game.
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FS, as much as I understand your logic in not hiring Fenwick, I must say it is a bit unsettling given all the positive things your club has represented in it short period of existence. I know coaches come, coaches go. But good coaches are a rare commodity in TT. Unless you want to give a local a chance for the next big stage, It appears that you maybe looking to bring someone from outside. Right or wrong? The time period is very short for the next game.
The only logic involved was that we couldn't meet his terms. It wasn't about wanting to, we simply couldn't afford him!
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Allyuh eh notice since Terry fallout with Sancho we hearing all kinda news now.
:devil:
All ah them was involve in de drama, now is wood pelting.
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Allyuh eh notice since Terry fallout with Sancho we hearing all kinda news now.
:devil:
All ah them was involve in de drama, now is wood pelting.
As a Bajan would say: yuh sight!
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Cops probe Fenwick.
By Rhondor Dowlat (Guardian).
English football coach Terry Fenwick has been allegedly linked to a $450,000 attempted fraud which is under investigation by TT Police Service (TTPS).
The alleged fraud revolves around an application to the Ministry of Sport to receive funding to enter his club, Ma Pau FC, into the TT Pro League for the 2015/2016 season.
It is alleged there was an attempt to misinform the ministrys permanent secretary, Gillian Macintyre, by stating that Ma Pau had invested $8.5 million in refurbishing the Morvant recreation ground.
The file also included alleged references to before and after photographs purporting to be of the grounds but which were photos of a facility outside of T&T.
The alleged fraud only came to light after the $450,000 cheque had been issued payable to Ma Pau.
A source inside the Ministry of Sport, who wished to remain anonymous said: Fenwick and his partner were in and out of the ministry for a few weeks looking for money for his football club and his coaching school, Football Factory. Everything seemed normal until it was discovered that Ma Paus application to join the Pro League had been rejected.
As per the terms of the funding, Macintyre immediately moved to cancel the cheque.
However, upon review of the file, various inaccuracies were discovered, resulting in a decision to call in the police to investigate further.
The last thing we want in the ministry is another scandal, said the source. Unknown to many of us, the minister had put in place a system to check files that were approved for funding to ensure proper procedures were followed.
The source said one such procedure would usually be a site visit.
We are supposed to go and check on the people applying to ensure everything is exactly as claimed. Usually an application takes several weeks to be approved. However, in the case of Ma Pau, it was processed in a week.
I have never seen a file like that approved so fast. It appears there wasnt time to conduct a site visit which would have exposed the discrepancies.
When contacted on the matter Dexter Skeene, the chief executive officer of the T&T Pro League confirmed that an application was made by Fenwick and that the Board is currently looking into the application.
The application wasnt approved yet but we try to help all new clubs coming in, Skeene said.
When asked if he knew about the investigations of alleged fraud in which Fenwick is allegedly involved, Skeene replied: No. I am not aware of all this.
The source added that the speed of the application even beat Sports Minister Brent Sanchos additional oversights.
The minister was not even aware of the application until after the PS (permanent secretary) cancelled the cheque. Apparently he was furious that nobody identified the discrepancies.
While the ministrys staff were aware there was a problem, they were surprised to be called to be interviewed by the police.
They had lots of people questioned, including the Sport and Physical Education Department and people from accounts. The interviews lasted several hours, the source added.
Sancho and Fenwick were World Cup defenders for their respective countries, and Fenwick coached Sancho at San Juan Jabloteh.
The roles were later reversed when Sancho was managing director of Central FC and employed Fenwick as head coach. However, it has not been explained why Fenwick did not approach Sancho for funding from his ministry.
When contacted by the TT Guardian, Sancho confirmed there was an investigation into a possible fraud connected to a funding request from the former coach (Fenwick) of Central FC the reigning T&T Pro League champions.
Yes, there is an investigation in the hands of the police but I cannot discuss details at this time, he added.
When asked if Fenwick was involved, the minister replied: Yes, it was an application by Terry. However, until the investigation is completed there should be no assumption of guilt against anybody involved in the matter.
We have seen too many instances of internet bloggers making false accusations without any proof of wrongdoing and I am not about to join their gutter politics brigade
When contacted, Sanchos adviser, Kevin Harrison, also confirmed the investigation but refused to comment on its progress.
Its the most serious instance thats happened since the minister was appointed in February. The most worrying factor is that he had no idea that this application existed until Ma Paus application to the Pro League had been rejected. It appears that the application was processed in a manner to avoid it coming to the ministers attention, the source said.
The source added that there may now be further investigations into Fenwicks receipt of funding for his Football Factory coaching school.
The minister is now having all approved applications for funding reviewed to ensure his policies were followed. I am sure the Football Factory will be one of the first to be reviewed.
When contacted yesterday for comment, Fenwick admitted he did apply to the TT Pro League but disclosed his application was being hampered, allegedly by officials within the ministry.
It is a long story. One that I am willing to tell because I have all the necessary documentation in order, Fenwick said.
When asked if he was misled or tricked in one way or the other, Fenwick replied: No.
Fenwick, who is married to lawyer Reyna Kowlessar, moved to Belgium last summer to take control of a club but returned when a number of alleged financial irregularities forced the club to part company with several of Fenwicks business partners.
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So wait a minute, this looks like a Fenwick vs Sancho battle going on here.
Selling out each other hidden secrets.
Let me grab my popcorn.
And Fenwick, no need to worry, in T&T no one goes to jail for stealing money, once its from the government.
Good intervew Sancho, the Unnamed source.
:devil:
Imagine, someone can fool Gillian Macintyre (the PS) $450,000 that easliy.
Maybe, she should be investigated also.
Ma Pau have money, why would Terry need to steal $450,000?
They claimed that they had invested $8.5 million in refurbishing the Morvant recreation ground but is seeking 450,000 back from the government?
And were are the photos of the new ground?
Football Factory should be another good investigation.
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Mau Pau?? Them again??
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Bastards!
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This is pretty transparent... and desperate. Sancho and Fenwick quietly beefing for months now, and most likely Fenwick was Lasana's source for the latest expose regarding the "personal payments" in connection with the player transfers. Now Sancho and them trying hard to hit back, I wouldn't be surprised if Harrison was the 'source' inside the Ministry behind this story. True or not it smacks of desperation.
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When is the last time an investigation by the T&T Police Fraud Squad actually lead to a prosecution? I wouldn't worry about it.
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This is pretty transparent... and desperate. Sancho and Fenwick quietly beefing for months now, and most likely Fenwick was Lasana's source for the latest expose regarding the "personal payments" in connection with the player transfers. Now Sancho and them trying hard to hit back, I wouldn't be surprised if Harrison was the 'source' inside the Ministry behind this story. True or not it smacks of desperation.
Excellent points. But the wrong way around. The investigation has been going on for weeks. The desperation is in the smear tactics over the last week. I was not the source. Dozens of people know of the investigation.
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Excellent points. But the wrong way around. The investigation has been going on for weeks. The desperation is in the smear tactics over the last week. I was not the source. Dozens of people know of the investigation.
What 'smear tactics'? Whether the leaked emails was of Fenwick's doing or not, it appears that you've been hoist by your own petard, or more accurately, by your own hand. For a number of reasons I could cite (gleefully if I were that petty), you're hardly convincing in the role of victim.
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Facebook post from Fenwick's wife:
Reyna Kowlessar This is a complete fabrication!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The police has NEVER interviewed or investigated Terry nor has that asshole reporter invertiewed him. We will be taking legal action. Sancho is completely behind this.
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Nah, Fenwick trying to thief money from T&T govewrnment? hard to believe, but possible, he living in T&T to long and I guess he picking up their ways.
And Bakes, you can't blame Harrison and Sancho, they ass against de wall, so desperate times for desperate messures.
I woulda do de same.
De bottom line is, nobody eh making jail. This is T&T.
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This is pretty transparent... and desperate. Sancho and Fenwick quietly beefing for months now, and most likely Fenwick was Lasana's source for the latest expose regarding the "personal payments" in connection with the player transfers. Now Sancho and them trying hard to hit back, I wouldn't be surprised if Harrison was the 'source' inside the Ministry behind this story. True or not it smacks of desperation.
Excellent points. But the wrong way around. The investigation has been going on for weeks. The desperation is in the smear tactics over the last week. I was not the source. Dozens of people know of the investigation.
The audacity of some people to still be posting on this site normal normal! >:(
Makes me sick to my stomach :puking:
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This is pretty transparent... and desperate. Sancho and Fenwick quietly beefing for months now, and most likely Fenwick was Lasana's source for the latest expose regarding the "personal payments" in connection with the player transfers. Now Sancho and them trying hard to hit back, I wouldn't be surprised if Harrison was the 'source' inside the Ministry behind this story. True or not it smacks of desperation.
Excellent points. But the wrong way around. The investigation has been going on for weeks. The desperation is in the smear tactics over the last week. I was not the source. Dozens of people know of the investigation.
The audacity of some people to still be posting on this site normal normal! >:(
Makes me sick to my stomach :puking:
Sorry pal, but in T&T, like most civilized countries, the law states "innocent until proven guilty" You may have made your decision based on what was printed. Fair enough. What makes me sick to my stomach is that people like you will never post an apology when these stories are proved to be false.
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This is pretty transparent... and desperate. Sancho and Fenwick quietly beefing for months now, and most likely Fenwick was Lasana's source for the latest expose regarding the "personal payments" in connection with the player transfers. Now Sancho and them trying hard to hit back, I wouldn't be surprised if Harrison was the 'source' inside the Ministry behind this story. True or not it smacks of desperation.
Excellent points. But the wrong way around. The investigation has been going on for weeks. The desperation is in the smear tactics over the last week. I was not the source. Dozens of people know of the investigation.
The audacity of some people to still be posting on this site normal normal! >:(
Makes me sick to my stomach :puking:
Sorry pal, but in T&T, like most civilized countries, the law states "innocent until proven guilty" You may have made your decision based on what was printed. Fair enough. What makes me sick to my stomach is that people like you will never post an apology when these stories are proved to be false.
Is your email fake? If you can't answer that simple question then your silence speaks volumes.
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Ruction just before election.
VB
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So Morvant go have two pro teams. Me eh know Morvant like so much football. So if the ground in Morvant eh up to standard, where will Mau Pau play there home games? In HCS? at Jack? At Ato?
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Fenwick: Matter is with lawyers.
T&T Newsday Reports.
FORMER SAN Juan Jabloteh and Central FC coach Terry Fenwick stated yesterday that his lawyers will deal with an allegation of fraud concerning his club Ma Pau.
It was reported yesterday that the alleged fraud concerned an application by Fenwick to the Ministry of Sport to register Ma Pau into the 2015-2016 TT Pro League season.
Fenwick, the former England defender, said yesterday, it is in the hands of my lawyers and there will be a statement coming out shortly.
Clearly Im very upset about this.
This is just an attempt to muddy my name. The 55-year-old Fenwick said the statement will be released as early as today. Asked what legal action he may be embarking on, Fenwick replied, it goes a little bit deeper than that.
Youll have to wait until the statement comes out. Id love to (divulge) more but my lawyers are telling me (not to). As far as his immediate future is concerned, the outspoken coach noted, there are other options but this is my priority.
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So leh meh see.
Fenwick was also involve with Sancho and them in this scheme and now they fallout and Terry bawling like a pig.
So if he did know all this time, ent Fenwick guilty too?
He just shoot he self in his foot.
All these bastards do they deal together and now they trying to fight each other, all man should go to jail.
Look how fast de AG (Nicholas) drop Jack Warner extradite papers, he eh sign de papers, because Jack have shit on them, same thing with Sepp Blatter, man hush they mouth because is all ah we going down if one man bawl.
Yuh see how fast Jack Warner hush he mouth about Kamla, because she have shit on him to.
A bunch of evil people in T&T.
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gosh boy it hav no rest from bobol in dis country...it in everything boy
i doh get ppl wrong who set up shak deep in d forest and live off d land inno
dat lookin like paradise now
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Someone just told me they heard Terry on 195.5 saying that he will not sleep until both men is bring to justice.
He said Sancho is stalling until after election.
I also heard that Jack Warner is in contact with Fenwick wanting to work with him on the case.
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But, how come the cops probing a man for $400,000 but will not probe a man for $200,000,000? If that isn't hypocrisy then what is? If that isn't suspicious police dealings then what is? I say again, what is good for the goose has to be good for the gander, no matter what your station in life is.
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But, how come the cops probing a man for $400,000 but will not probe a man for $200,000,000? If that isn't hypocrisy then what is? If that isn't suspicious police dealings then what is? I say again, what is good for the goose has to be good for the gander, no matter what your station in life is.
Jack Warner is just a better thief and knows how to hide it.
This report makes it look like Terry tried to steal from the T&T government, which is even worst.
Here we have three Englishmen (Harrison, Fenwick and Davis) involved in a T&T corruption case. How surprising is that?
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Someone just told me they heard Terry on 195.5 saying that he will not sleep until both men is bring to justice.
He said Sancho is stalling until after election.
I also heard that Jack Warner is in contact with Fenwick wanting to work with him on the case.
Jack should stay out of friggin football.
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Fenwick tackles erroneous Guardian article; opens up on Ma Paus Pro League bid
By Terry Fenwick (wired868.com
The following is a press release by ex-England World Cup defender Terry Fenwick, a former Central FC and San Juan Jabloteh football coach, in response to a Trinidad Guardian article on Ma Paus Pro League application:
I am aware of an article published in the Trinidad Guardian of Thursday, September 3rd detailing a number of allegations made by an unnamed source at the Ministry of Sport and which contains damaging and erroneous comments attempting to malign my character and to discredit the legitimate application by my sponsors Ma Pau, for funding from the Ministry specific to the cost of underwriting the standard fees for incorporating its youth Football Club into the T&T Pro League.
I totally and completely refute the allegations as false and malicious, with the aim to deny professional opportunity, and to cause personal harm and injury to the members of the Ma Pau team, their sponsors and to myself.
In this regard, I wish to clear the air on the misrepresentation of facts contained in the said article.
In accordance with stipulations outlined by the Ministry in its published funding policy, as head coach to Ma Pau FC, myself and current coach Mr Keon Trimacting on behalf of the Ma Pau Football Club and its owners and sponsorsentered into open discussions with the Minister of Sport and staff of the Ministry, advising of our intention to apply under the Grant Funding to National Governing Bodies.
The funding is identified for sport, community groups and individuals in support of their plans, programmes and activities that foster sport development, facilitate athletic performance and engender a spirit of community living. Our application was specific to attaining the requisite fee for incorporating the Club into the 2015/2016 Pro League season.
We met with the Minister (Brent Sancho) and his Adviser Mr (Kevin) Harrison on July 21st and subsequently met with his Permanent Secretary (Gillian Macintyre) on a number of occasions to facilitate compliance for Grant Funding for Ma Pau FCs incorporation.
The incorporation was a necessary prerequisite by the owners of Ma Pau and its associated sponsors who have committed to rehabilitating the Morvant Recreational Grounds to be used as home ground for Ma Pau and Caledonia AIA, in addition to serving members of the general public.
The cost for rehabilitation has been estimated at just over TT$8 million and are to be privately funded through sponsorship. The fees for incorporation as documented in communication was identified as TT$450,000.
This information was openly and transparently shared with the Ministry, including schematics of how the grounds were going to look post rehabilitation. It must be made clear that the process for funding approval requires details of plans, as well as evidence of fund-raising or sponsorship, which we provided.
The rules provide for access to such information at least two months prior to commencement of the project. The rules also clearly indicate that the MOS will conduct a site-visit which would have had in this instance, to be hosted by the San Juan/Laventille (SJL) Regional Corporation.
In addition to the project plans and sponsorship commitment, the clubs owners submitted documentation from their bankers to establish they were in good standing, as well as formal approval from the CEO of the SJL Regional Corporation, Mr Kenwyn Pantin, of the Corporations permission to use the grounds under the agreed conditions. Our documents support.
Having fully satisfied all the criteria for Grant Funding, Ma Pau FC was then issued a cheque by the Ministry of Sport through the office of the Permanent Secretary dated August 8th.
At the same time, a letter of notification also dated August 8th, was sent to the CEO of the Professional Football League, Mr Dexter Skeene, advising of the granting of funds and the Ministrys support.
On Monday, August 17th, we received a phone call from the office of the Permanent Secretary, asking that we return the cheque and be present for discussions. Myself and Mr Trim met with the PS on that day at 11 am and were advised that there was an administrative error on the part of the Ministry and that the cheque would be cancelled.
Guidance was given that the cheque should have been made under a different agency of the same Ministry and a promise of written correspondence to provide reasons for the cancellation was given.
We received this notification in good faith being mindful that the Point Fortin Civic Centre Football League had already been successfully processed and their grant funding issued for their own incorporation into the Pro League season.
We have had no further communication from the Ministry to date, nor were we at any time advised that there were any discrepancies on our part, nor have we been asked to answer any questions from anyone about improper application for funding.
September 3rd was the first we had any indication that there may have been any problem with our application.
While I am deeply disturbed by the unfortunate attack on my character and the clubs owners and sponsors, my deepest concern is for the well-deserving players who are now without a place to practice and an opportunity to participate in the upcoming season.
I remain hopeful that work can begin on the Morvant Recreational Grounds to provide the community a world-class facility for the continued development of sport.
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Look how fast de AG (Nicholas) drop Jack Warner extradite papers, he eh sign de papers, because Jack have shit on them,
I was worried for a while there..but it look like the papers file (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9927062/jack-warner-begins-extradition-fight) and everything moving along. no?
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SJLRC denies Fenwicks claim
TT Guardian Rhondor Dowlat
Published:
Saturday, September 12, 2015
Less than 24 hours after Ma Pau Sports distanced itself from former England World Cup player Terry Fenwick, the San Juan/Laventille Regional Corporation (SJLRC) is now saying it has not given any letter of approval to the English-born football coach for the use of the Morvant Recreation Ground.
The T&T Guardian was informed yesterday that Fenwick and the SJLRC held a meeting just over a month ago to discuss the use of ground, but no formal approval has been granted to date because the documents presented to the SJLRC are still lodged with the corporations attorneys.
This, however, is contrary to what Fenwick said in a statement issued on September 3, in which he claimed he had permission to use the facility.
The information was openly and transparently shared with the ministry, including schematics of how the grounds were going to look post rehabilitation. It must be made clear that the process for funding approval requires details of plans, as well as evidence of fund-raising or sponsorship, which we provided.
The rules provide for access to such information at least two months prior to commencement of the project. The rules also clearly indicate that the Ministry of Sport will conduct a site-visit which would have had in this instance, to be hosted by the SJLRC.
In addition to the project plans and sponsorship commitment, the clubs owners submitted documentation from their banks to establish they were in good standing, as well as formal approval from the CEO of the SJLRC, Kenwyn Pantin of the corporation's permission to use the grounds under the agreed conditions. Our documents support, Fenwick added in his statement.
But speaking to the T&T Guardian yesterday, councillor for Morvant Franz Delamo Lambkin said no formal approval document existed. He said the CEO of the corporation was the administrative head, so therefore the CEO of the corporation cannot give that authorisation. The Morvant Recreation Ground falls under Lambkins purview.
Lambkin confirmed that about a month ago Fenwick and SJRC officials met at the Hyatt Regency, Port-of-Spain, and his proposal was passed to the corporation's attorneys for their perusal and final advice.
The procedure is that the attorneys will get back to us and the suggestions will be brought before the council and it would be either passed or rejected at a statutory meeting. So, as far as I know on that matter nothing was brought before the council and nothing was passed at any statutory meeting, Lambkin said.
Asked for details of Fenwick's proposal to the SJLRC, Lambkin said it was for him to use the ground and in return he would invest in upgrading it to bring it up to a certain standard.
We had referred this to our attorneys because we are not prepared to give that ground entirely to any one entity or organisation because it is a communal ground, meaning it is available to the community. That ground is a hub for several activities in Morvant, Lambkin said.
He added, It is very disappointing to hear that someone is indicating that they got authority from the CEO Kenwyn Pantin, but Pantin has no authority to dispose of or lend any possession of a corporation. He is an administrative head and all decisions of that nature must be approved by the council at a statutory meeting.
On September 3, the T&T Guardian reported that the Ministry of Sport had reported Fenwick to the Fraud Squad in connection with a cheque for $450,000 that was issued to Ma Pau Sports Club for registration to participate in the T&T Pro League 2015-2016 season. The report revolved around an application to the Ministry of Sport to receive funding to enter Ma Pau FC into the T&T Pro League for the 2015/2016 season.
On Wednesday, Ma Pau Sports Club revealed that having failed in its attempt to become a Pro League team the Ministrys cheque was returned and it had notified the public that it had distanced itself from Fenwick, saying that Fenwick is not now nor has been the coach of Ma Pau SC.
Mr Fenwick sought to enter into an arrangement with Ma Pau to manage the football team if it was elected into the Pro League. The team was not and our arrangement with Mr Fenwick ended.
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Ma Pau out Pro League
...as club distances itself from Fenwick
Rhondor Dowlat
Published:
Thursday, September 10, 2015
To avoid its name and image from being brought into further public disrepute the management of Ma Paul Sports Club has distanced itself from English-born coach Terry Fenwick.
According to a press release yesterday Ma Pau Sports Club states: From recent reports in the press it would appear Ma Pau has somehow unwittingly become caught up in the imbroglio between Terry Fenwick and other persons unconnected to Ma Pau and the Ministry of Sport.
Ma Pau wishes to place on record that Terry Fenwick is not now nor has been the coach of Ma Pau SC. Mr Fenwick sought to enter into an arrangement with Ma Pau to manage the football team if it was elected into the Pro League. The team was not and our arrangement with Mr Fenwick ended.
The release pointed out that after some time Ma Pau Sports Club applied to the Pro League to be rejoined as a member.
It added at the same time Terry Fenwick applied to the Ministry of Sport for a registration grant ($450,000) to be paid in order to facilitate the club in rejoining the league and the grant was paid by the ministry to facilitate the payment of the registration fee.
However, the release added, it was subsequently communicated to Ma Pau by the Pro League that its application was rejected by a vote of three against one with one abstention.
In the circumstances, Ma Pau stated, it immediately issued a $450,000 cheque to the ministry, thus, in this regard Ma Pau stands entirely blameless.
Ma Paus release also states the police have shown its former chairman, Kenroy Phillips, an application for $150,000.00 for the development of youth football.
Phillips, it stated, had confirmed to the police that the signature which purported to be his on the application was not his.
Ma Pau added it had never requested such monies from the ministry nor has it received such monies. The situation regarding the $150,000, it stated, was engaging the attention of the police.
This development has to do with Ma Pau FC seeking to re-enter the TT Pro League for the 2015/2016 season. Ma Pau last played in the league in 2011 before it requested to have its application suspended.
Sherry Persad of Ma Pau said: Ma Pau is recognised as a well known leader in the national community in the area of social corporate responsibility and has consistently invested in communities and individuals but in no way attempted to misinform Gillian MacIntyre, the permanent secretary of the Ministry of Sport, or the Pro League by stating that Ma Pau had invested $8.5 million in refurbishing the Morvant recreation ground.
However, Fenwick seeking to clear the air on grant-funding said, via a press release issued on September 4, 2015, his application was specific to attaining the requisite fee for incorporating the club into the 2015/2016 Pro League Season.
He said he met with the then sports minister Brent Sancho and his adviser Kevin Harrison on July 21 and subsequently met with the permanent secretary on a number of occasions to facilitate compliance for grant funding for Ma Pau FC's incorporation.
He added: "The incorporation was a necessary prerequisite by the owners of Ma Pau and its associated sponsors who have committed to rehabilitate the Morvant Recreational Grounds to be used as home ground for Ma Pau and Caledonia IA, in addition to serving members of the general public.
The cost of rehabilitation has been estimated at just over TT$8 million and is to be privately funded through sponsorship. The fee for incorporation as documented in communication was identified as $450,000.
He added that in addition to the project plans and sponsorship commitment, the club's owners submitted documentation from their bankers to establish they were in good standing, as well as formal approval from the CEO of the San Juan/Laventille Regional Corporation, Kenwyn Pantin, of the corporation's permission to use the grounds under the agreed conditions.
"Having fully satisfied all the criteria for grant funding, Ma Pau FC was then issued a cheque, dated August 8, by the Ministry of Sport. At the same time, a letter of notification, also dated August 8, was sent to the CEO of the Professional Football League, Dexter Skeene, advising of the granting of funds and the ministry's support," Fenwick said.
When contacted yesterday, Skeene said a board meeting was scheduled for today and would only disclose that the relevant people would be contacted subsequent to that meeting.
Skeene said there were ten teams in the T&T Pro League and added that no new teams would be brought in this week.
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... wow.... Pot calling kettle black
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Heard a rumor Fenwick in
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Heard a rumor Fenwick in
If is one ting he doh play with is his money
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Heard a rumor Fenwick in
If is one ting he doh play with is his money
And boat ride :devil:
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Whee is Terry coaching?
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Whee is Terry coaching?
His coaching school, Football Factory.
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Whee is Terry coaching?
His coaching school, Football Factory.
if that's not taking a few steps backwards then I don't know what is. these people on that island could spoil oil.
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Sorry to see Hart go, but Fenwick is an excellent choice.
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I hope Fenwick gets hired. Its years I've been telling my father Fenwick should have at least gotten at least a youth team post in the National set up
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I would love to see Fenwick as national team head coach, if only to see de comess when he tackle an opposing player on de sideline during a match.
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I would love to see Fenwick as national team head coach, if only to see de comess when he tackle an opposing player on de sideline during a match.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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If Terry Fenwick is hired as Hart's replacement...then that is telling me the TTFA don't care a damn ...
they would have done better with Shabba...look madness now...
when he lorse de next two games..dey go fire he too?!
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If Terry Fenwick is hired as Hart's replacement...then that is telling me the TTFA don't care a damn ...
they would have done better with Shabba...look madness now...
when he lorse de next two games..dey go fire he too?!
Yes I agree they should just forget the whole thing and bring back Jamal Shabazz.
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Sorry to see Hart go, but Fenwick is an excellent choice.
What sort of tactical approach do you envision him applying?
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Sorry to see Hart go, but Fenwick is an excellent choice.
What sort of tactical approach do you envision him applying?
Solidifying the defence.
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Sorry to see Hart go, but Fenwick is an excellent choice.
What sort of tactical approach do you envision him applying?
Solidifying the defence.
The defence was great under Hart until post David election as president
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Sorry to see Hart go, but Fenwick is an excellent choice.
What sort of tactical approach do you envision him applying?
Solidifying the defence.
The defence was great under Hart until post David election as president
Yes and No. Yes DJW was clearly sabotaging hart.but, Hart helped to bring about his own demise. No international, or for that matter, any club team worth its salt, would have Cyrus on their 23 far less more on their starting 11. I can only believe that Hart was looking for a way out of contract.
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Sorry to see Hart go, but Fenwick is an excellent choice.
What sort of tactical approach do you envision him applying?
Solidifying the defence.
The defence was great under Hart until post David election as president
Yes and No. Yes DJW was clearly sabotaging hart.but, Hart helped to bring about his own demise. No international, or for that matter, any club team worth its salt, would have Cyrus on their 23 far less more on their starting 11. I can only believe that Hart was looking for a way out of contract.
Who does Cyrus play for in the pro league? That should answer your question... don't bite the hand that feeds you...
Like I said, things were done intentionally to Hart by the ttfa
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to be honest his teams play with alot of heart and he is a winner. truth be told i would prefer terry or angus over stuart charles ... i remeber when stuart was incharge on our trip to egypt and I wasnt happy with the team nor results. Also i think terry can pick a team that is his and not one that is littered with favorites. I think that was one of the ways that Hart endered himself to us and also how he eventually lost some supporters to many favs and not enough hope to shake up the team
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Sorry to see Hart go, but Fenwick is an excellent choice.
What sort of tactical approach do you envision him applying?
Solidifying the defence.
But, you know that isn't a "tactical approach". Be that as it may, I will live with it until you give me more.
Defensive solidity gets us how close to the points total you raised on the other thread? What is Fenwick's treatment of the attacking side of the ball?
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If Fenwick gets the call then it will be interesting to see how he goes about things.
Objectively he may be the most suitable given his familiarity with the culture and the players.
On TV commentary he has been critical of the tactics and the defending in particular.
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If this man take over he has to drop at least eight players and rebuild..that takes time ..
To beat a team like Panama which has jelled so well would be damn near impossible..I don't see how we could take points from them either.
Where he getting the players from? certainly not the Pro League.
Panama play football like if dey fightin war ..the only way to beat dem is for dem to beat dey own self.
Dem Panamanians pressing in every part of the field ..the only problem dey have is they can't possess the ball for long periods but against a team like us that wouldn't be a problem.
Where de Coachman will get a keeper from..because if yuh defence backin back ..dem fellas lookin to bust pipe from outside whole game.
How he beatin dem?
Do talk bout Honduras, dat team is beatable we could beat dem fuh sure but I still don't see it happenin with de kind ah midfield and defenders we have..
Good Luck!
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Well I know commentary is different to coaching but in looking back at the games a few things i have picked up based on his analysis.
He is a fan of Boucaud, Garcia, Bateau and Caesar
Not so much a fan of George, Cyrus and Mitchell. He has been critical of Joevin's commitment at times although I think he recognizes the talent.
I think he accepts that Hyland and Kenwyne can't be disposed of given the experience. He may use them differently though.
If he does get the job and a change to pick his coaching staff, i think he may bring in Dale Saunders given the familiarity. I hope Dennis Lawrence gets a look in somewhere though
He was critical of how deep the team was set up defensively. He is a fan of a defensive high press, especially upfront.
I dont know how most feel but I think this team needs a kick up the backside as a collective group. Hart was an excellent individual player manager, calm and collected. Fenwick is a manager who will pull out the hair dryer when necessary and let players know to pull up their socks when slacking off.
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I just read Online in one of the dailies that Fenwick begging for the Job. Honestly He made sense in terms of the time frame to get this team back on tract. I would give him a shot at this job if we are looking for a local.
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Fenwick: Next T&T coach should have local knowledge
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday)
FORMER SAN Juan Jabloteh and Central FC coach Terry Fenwick has laid out the attributes he believes this countrys next national football coach should possess to get the 2018 FIFA World Cup campaign on track after two consecutive losses.
The TT job is currently vacant after Stephen Hart was dismissed by the TT Football Association (TTFA) last Thursday.
And Fenwick, the ex-England defender and current Flow Sports channel football analyst, made it abundantly clear in a telephone interview yesterday that he is the most suitable individual to take up the job as TT team tactician.
Hart was fired after a string of inconsistent returns this year, including defeats in their first two matches (2-0 at home to Costa Rica and 3-1 away to Honduras earlier this month) of the 2018 FIFA World Cup CONCACAF Zone Final Round qualifiers.
Fenwick noted, that with the CONCACAF Gold Cup playoffs scheduled for January (here in Trinidad) plus the pair of World Cup qualifiers in March, it may be tough for a foreign coach to get acquainted with the national players in a short space of time.
Im the most qualified person to take that on, he said. At the late stage where were at, an international coach trying to find out about (our) players (is) impossible.
Our players are dotted all over Europe, North America and locally.
An international coach coming in that is not familiar with our players have got no chance in putting that together before the World Cup qualifiers come across again in March. As far as the TT coaching job is concerned, Fenwick said, its a very difficult position for the TT FA because I provide for them a totally different proposition. Their issue would be how to deal with my success. The 57-year-old Fenwick guided Jabloteh to Pro League titles in 2002, 2003, 2007 and 2008 while, with Central FC, he led the team (in the latter stages of the season) to the 2014-15 league trophy.
Everything I get involved in, I succeed in, Fenwick insisted.
With all due respect to other people within the Caribbean region, there is nobody more qualified than I to run the national team. He continued, Ive been here 17 years now. Multiple players have come through my development that are now national team players. Multiple players have come through me that have gone out to enjoy international contracts and football scholarships in the United States. I know CONCACAF very well.
I am very flexible with my coaching, which is my biggest attribute, added the former Crystal Palace, Queens Park Rangers and Tottenham Hotspur player. Im an excellent coach.
Ill love to have the opportunity where I believe Im the only Pro League coach thats never been offered a position, at any level, by the TT FA. Concerning the dismissal of Hart, Fenwick noted, Stephen has done a relatively good job under very difficult circumstances.
Hes gone several months without being paid, hes worked through two different administrations.
Clearly the last administration and him have not particularly gone on well.
However, with two years remaining on his contract, which is my understanding, there might have been position for Stephen to continue in a technical director-type position, where he could still contribute to TT football.
Its my opinion. There were instances of indiscipline in the TT team recently, notably the fines inflicted on Kevin Molino, Joevin Jones and Mekeil Williams for breaking curfew, while Molino was suspended for the Costa Rica and Honduras game for an additional breach of curfew. Fenwick is renowned as a hard taskmaster and its a reputation he is proud of.
The good and the bad about Terry Fenwick is that I am well familiar with the culture of Trinidad and Tobago. However, Im not a part of that culture.
I come from the UK, I come from a very professional upbringing in British professional football. He continued, I understand the problems and issues coaches have down here. Players would understand nobody more than me, in terms of turning up at a fete match or a minor league game to find out what players are doing. And Ive always dealt with it very promptly and professionally.
Its something that is part of the peoples culture here in Trinidad and Tobago.
Knowing that culture, Ive handled it very well over the 17 years that Ive been here.
And, really, Ive not had any major problems with the players I have had, only because Ive set my stall out early to ensure they are very clear that there (are) no negotiations.
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Strong case made.
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Fantastic case made...he deffff not gonna get the job tho...kinda unfortunate
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At the late stage where were at, an international coach trying to find out about (our) players (is) impossible.
Our players are dotted all over Europe, North America and locally.
An international coach coming in that is not familiar with our players have got no chance in putting that together before the World Cup qualifiers come across again in March.
I wonder how familiar Leo Beenhakker was with T&T players prior to taking the job in 2005 when the team was in an almost identical position in that WCQ?
As far as the TT coaching job is concerned, Fenwick said, its a very difficult position for the TT FA because I provide for them a totally different proposition. Their issue would be how to deal with my success. The 57-year-old Fenwick guided Jabloteh to Pro League titles in 2002, 2003, 2007 and 2008 while, with Central FC, he led the team (in the latter stages of the season) to the 2014-15 league trophy.
Everything I get involved in, I succeed in, Fenwick insisted.
With all due respect to other people within the Caribbean region, there is nobody more qualified than I to run the national team. He continued, Ive been here 17 years now. Multiple players have come through my development that are now national team players. Multiple players have come through me that have gone out to enjoy international contracts and football scholarships in the United States. I know CONCACAF very well.
I am very flexible with my coaching, which is my biggest attribute, added the former Crystal Palace, Queens Park Rangers and Tottenham Hotspur player. Im an excellent coach.
Strong case eh?
So he's had "success" in Pro League....which everyone admits is a sub standard league. So if you're successful in a sub standard league, that's your claim to fame, and that's the metric you use to gauge your suitability for the position, then it enhances the claims for Stuart Charles Fevrier as national team coach because he has had way more "success" than Fenwick at that level.
I'm also curious to learn just how familiar he is with CONCACAF.
Does any Football Federation in the middle of WCQ's want to hand someone who has never previously coached ANY national team the reins as their first gig?
I don't see this as a strong case at all. I see this whole exercise as someone who is assertive and knows how to self promote. Removing all that fluff and distraction talk, I have serious doubts about the legitimacy of the claim that he is the best person for the job. Far from it.
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Did the players have the meeting with the dictator?
They already said they want Hart.... you want to win, ask the players who they are willing to play for
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Palos, your proposition makes a strong case for Anton Corneal. There will be pros and cons in the various viewpoints ... particularly if one starts quantifying "success". Inputs and outputs need not mesh. Prior to Mexico, Juan Carlos Osorio had not coached a national team.
Self-advocacy aside, Fenwick is a credible candidate for the position and, under the circumstances, a more legitimate and palatable candidate than SCF. The reality is that he would have had a look in for the position prior to SH other factors discarded. Of that there is little doubt.
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Everything I get involved in, I succeed in, Fenwick insisted.
Like he forget about Belgium or wha? In 2014/15 with CS Vis, he managed 34 league games, won 8, drew 4, and lost 22. The team scored 40 goals and conceded 83, for a goal difference of -43.
Also doh forget about de brief spell at Northampton:
Excerpt from Is Terry Fenwick the worst manager ever? (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2003/jun/16/theknowledge.sport):
But, incredibly, there is someone even worse. Step forward one Terrence Fenwick, whose reign at Northampton was little short of a disaster. "Speaking with no knowledge or authority whatsoever beyond that of a somewhat bitter Cobblers fan, I would suggest that Fenwick is worth looking at," says David Frost. "I gather he had some success in that hotbed of footballing excellence, the West Indies, but his brief tenure at Sixfields was worth a mighty two points from 21."
"Admittedly both his predecessor and successor were on the end of some hammerings either side of his reign," continues David, "but they had the knack of winning the odd game every now and then - a simple strategy that is generally sufficient in the nether regions of the Second Division to ensure survival."
Agreed, David. Agreed. We reckon Fenwick's record of P7, W0, D2, L5 at Northampton (an average of 0.28 points a game) is the most unsuccessful of any sacked manager.
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Palos, your proposition makes a strong case for Anton Corneal. There will be pros and cons in the various viewpoints ... particularly if one starts quantifying "success". Inputs and outputs need not mesh. Prior to Mexico, Juan Carlos Osorio had not coached a national team.
Self-advocacy aside, Fenwick is a credible candidate for the position and, under the circumstances, a more legitimate and palatable candidate than SCF. The reality is that he would have had a look in for the position prior to SH other factors discarded. Of that there is little doubt.
Oscar Ramirez never coached a national team before either
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Palos, your proposition makes a strong case for Anton Corneal.
Not advocating at all for Anton Corneal...but he have more merit for the position IMO than Fenwick
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Palos, your proposition makes a strong case for Anton Corneal. There will be pros and cons in the various viewpoints ... particularly if one starts quantifying "success". Inputs and outputs need not mesh. Prior to Mexico, Juan Carlos Osorio had not coached a national team.
Self-advocacy aside, Fenwick is a credible candidate for the position and, under the circumstances, a more legitimate and palatable candidate than SCF. The reality is that he would have had a look in for the position prior to SH other factors discarded. Of that there is little doubt.
Oscar Ramirez never coached a national team before either
Yes and no. He had valuable experience under Medford but Medford himself was a novice NT coach. Therefore also hard to toss away Fenwick's international playing career and experience of coaching? If so, hard to discard Eve? Just highlighting why no particular metric dictates. Osorio didn't have an international playing career.
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WATCH: Terry Fenwick has expressed his desire to be the next Head Coach of Trinidad and Tobagos Mens Senior Team.
https://www.youtube.com/v/XL214ZemaVw
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WATCH: Terry Fenwick has expressed his desire to be the next Head Coach of Trinidad and Tobagos Mens Senior Team.
https://www.youtube.com/v/XL214ZemaVw
Tell mih something I eh already know......he wanted that job long time now.....I'm neither here nor there with him as a potential coach.....at this point, mih eh really here nor there with the whole football set up.....ah juss tired and fed up ah de shyte..... :banginghead: :frustrated: :cursing: :yellowcard:
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Breeze say Fenwick get the job. So is long ball and battle football.
Two World Cup coaches failed before Maturana & the German fellah. So now players calling who they want as coach. Shaka laugh or cry :-\ No it is not the same as when Jack hired the racist.
This story could not be made up and produced by Tommy Joseph & Sprangalang.
DJW now on his knees looking for yet another coach, knowing no respectable coach will take the job, unless he out of piper money. Hart will not coming back once he there, so choices are Stewart Charles, Latapy and Fenwick. The lack of player discipline shows that T&T are not serious. Only in Trinidad and Tobago could players decide who they want as coach. Imagine Germany, Brazil and England players making such request ???
Charles for once will stand up to DJW and say no thanks, though if he coach DJW would be co-coach. Latapy taking anything like a warf whore and Fenwick selling himself worst than when he try to defend Diego in 86.
Fenwick is the best choice, plus word is he will take the job at any cost, his resume needs it, but DJW and all of WC crew despise the man. If he Fenwick get hired look for Earl Jean and that whole organization to :banginghead: :pissedoff: :cursing: :frustrated: after all the bad talking they do. Plus to now see their visionary Guru stoop to :praying: DJW creditability is now even lower than the white line in the road and he did it his way :rotfl:
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Fenwick wants more support for T&T footballers.
By Jelani Beckles (Newsday).
EXPERIENCED local football coach Terry Fenwick is saying that more support from coaches and administrators is needed to help elevate the career of footballers in Trinidad and Tobago.
The TT Football Association (TTFA) has been scrutinised for a lack of judgement after hiring Belgian Tom Saintfiet to replace Stephen Hart as the national football coach in December.
After just one month in charge Saintfeit announced his resignation on January 11 citing a lack of support from the TTFA.
The TTFA has reportedly narrowed down its options to Englishman Fenwick, St Lucian Stuart Charles-Fevrier (coaching W Connection for over 15 years) and Colombian Francisco Maturana, who had a brief stint with the T&T team from 2008 to 2009.
The new coach is expected to be announced today.
Fenwick, who first started coaching in T&T in 2001, explained that there are talented players in this country but more support is required.
Fenwick said, so many wonderful young kids have come through my development, believe me Trinidad and Tobago are producing some fabulous young footballers, I just want the coaches and administration to give them a bit of support, they need that.
We are going through very difficult times as a country, but these kids some of them are not academic, they need help and support, they are very good footballers and if we do that we could provide them with an opportunity not just here in Trinidad but outside and thats really my goal. Fenwick says with two pivotal World Cup qualifiers coming up in March a local based coach with a knowledge of T&T players is crucial to the success of the national team.
I still feel that (a local coach is needed) only because youve got two games coming up in March that are critical.
We still got to recognise that United States of America are underneath us (in the World Cup qualifiers), they will still feel like they could qualify, if they could do it why not us.
But whoever takes over the reigns must have a huge knowledge of local footballers, they must have a bit of determination and discipline behind them so we could get things back on track.
TTFA Statement.
TTFA Media.
The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association wishes to state that following several hours of its statutory Board Meeting on Wednesday evening at the Associations Head Office, it is yet to come to a final decision on the selection of the Trinidad and Tobago Mens Senior Team Head Coach.
The TTFA expects to make an announcement on the selection by this coming weekend.
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Fenwick painting himself like the saviour, careful that judas the terrorizer don't betray him and the dictator nail him to a cross....
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With the outcome of the NT selection, what is the future of Terry Fenwick in T&T football? Looks like if he wants to advance to the NT level he should consider reading a page from the Belgian's book and hit the nomad trail.
Thoughts?
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Obviously looking from the outside what appears as a " no brainer" is often clouded by what we don't know. This coach has achieved success as a player and as a coach at the local level.
In my opinion, if I was him I would offer to work with and assist with recruitment and the training of local players who show potential to develop and progress to the national team. I could see his knowledge being use along with local coaches to develop a core group of players as part of a national team strategy for our team.
In some capacity aspiring coaches like him, and Stern John should be part of a national plan that works in conjunction with the national head coach in identifying , training and coaching players in specialized positional play and tactics. I.e defence- strikers!!
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With the outcome of the NT selection, what is the future of Terry Fenwick in T&T football? Looks like if he wants to advance to the NT level he should consider reading a page from the Belgian's book and hit the nomad trail.
Thoughts?
Well as recently as December, he was tipped to be the coach of Belgian third tier club, Patro Eisden. This is the same club that Nathaniel Garcia and Nicholas Dillon went to for trials.
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With the outcome of the NT selection, what is the future of Terry Fenwick in T&T football? Looks like if he wants to advance to the NT level he should consider reading a page from the Belgian's book and hit the nomad trail.
Thoughts?
I recognize the playing career of Fenwick as part of his credibility but that playing success ended in 1993, before the transformation of the league into a truly open competitive league with players and managers from all over the world.
His management success is limited to our not so pro league as his time at Portsmouth is over 20 years ago.
Frankly, I do not rate English managers nor English development of players. The top two leagues in the world are La Liga and EPL; neither is led by English managers. The La Liga and EPL clubs are NOT spending top dollar for English developed players.
We are so close to Brasil, Argentina and Uruguay a combined 9 World Cup championships but we looking at England for development of players and management.
In the short term his methods will work in TnT because it increases speed of play, fitness and work rate. I have nothing against Fenwick but I do not believe that the future of our football can be placed in an Englishman's hands. Not because he is English but because of how he has been trained and developed and views football.
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Interesting critique Tobago. :beermug:
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With the outcome of the NT selection, what is the future of Terry Fenwick in T&T football? Looks like if he wants to advance to the NT level he should consider reading a page from the Belgian's book and hit the nomad trail.
Thoughts?
I recognize the playing career of Fenwick as part of his credibility but that playing success ended in 1993, before the transformation of the league into a truly open competitive league with players and managers from all over the world.
His management success is limited to our not so pro league as his time at Portsmouth is over 20 years ago.
Frankly, I do not rate English managers nor English development of players. The top two leagues in the world are La Liga and EPL; neither is led by English managers. The La Liga and EPL clubs are NOT spending top dollar for English developed players.
We are so close to Brasil, Argentina and Uruguay a combined 9 World Cup championships but we looking at England for development of players and management.
In the short term his methods will work in TnT because it increases speed of play, fitness and work rate. I have nothing against Fenwick but I do not believe that the future of our football can be placed in an Englishman's hands. Not because he is English but because of how he has been trained and developed and views football.
Then again, the development of players is not the job of any one coach. Until we implement a sustainable development programme, our inconsistent results will remain. How do you fix players at the senior level who are technically unsound? By dat time it too late.
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With the outcome of the NT selection, what is the future of Terry Fenwick in T&T football? Looks like if he wants to advance to the NT level he should consider reading a page from the Belgian's book and hit the nomad trail.
Thoughts?
I recognize the playing career of Fenwick as part of his credibility but that playing success ended in 1993, before the transformation of the league into a truly open competitive league with players and managers from all over the world.
His management success is limited to our not so pro league as his time at Portsmouth is over 20 years ago.
Frankly, I do not rate English managers nor English development of players. The top two leagues in the world are La Liga and EPL; neither is led by English managers. The La Liga and EPL clubs are NOT spending top dollar for English developed players.
We are so close to Brasil, Argentina and Uruguay a combined 9 World Cup championships but we looking at England for development of players and management.
In the short term his methods will work in TnT because it increases speed of play, fitness and work rate. I have nothing against Fenwick but I do not believe that the future of our football can be placed in an Englishman's hands. Not because he is English but because of how he has been trained and developed and views football.
Then again, the development of players is not the job of any one coach. Until we implement a sustainable development programme, our inconsistent results will remain. How do you fix players at the senior level who are technically unsound? By dat time it too late.
Totally agree that that 1) you can not fix technically flawed players at senior level and 2) a development programme is required from ages.
My main point is that we need to look to our neighbors in South America, damn even our baseball crazy neighbors in Venezeula are following their South American neighbors to increased success.
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You say they can't fix technique when they are already at senior level, but all european pro players work on technique everyday. Maybe if a player is so far behind on something then it may be impossible to catch up, but you see even seasoned pros make incremental improvements. Just look at somebody at the highest level - Messi - his free kick-taking ability and overall shooting technique have improved tremendously.
The thing i find we struggle with that the national coach can't improve is fitness.
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You say they can't fix technique when they are already at senior level, but all european pro players work on technique everyday. Maybe if a player is so far behind on something then it may be impossible to catch up, but you see even seasoned pros make incremental improvements. Just look at somebody at the highest level - Messi - his free kick-taking ability and overall shooting technique have improved tremendously.
The thing i find we struggle with that the national coach can't improve is fitness.
dat is where qualified trainers come in and the availability of high performance fitness centers, dat cater specifically to sports and sports teams come in......do any of our clubs have gyms and fitness trainers, regional fitness centers through the country that teams could utilize at relatively small cost might be a way to go
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You say they can't fix technique when they are already at senior level, but all european pro players work on technique everyday. Maybe if a player is so far behind on something then it may be impossible to catch up, but you see even seasoned pros make incremental improvements. Just look at somebody at the highest level - Messi - his free kick-taking ability and overall shooting technique have improved tremendously.
The thing i find we struggle with that the national coach can't improve is fitness.
Well I cyar remember de last time I've seen a senior T&T international show improved technique in a particular area (corners, free kicks, shooting, crossing, passing etc.). It usually remains the same over the years. Actually one exception comes to mind. Clayton Ince.
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Far-Flung Adventures: Terry Fenwick, from marking Maradona to managing in the Caribbean
By Santokie Nagulendran (thesetpieces.com)
Maradona. The 1986 World Cup. We all know the story; how the Argentine broke English hearts by handling the ball into the net, and then, in cruel juxtaposition, scoring one of the greatest goals of all time to win the game, sending England home and Argentina through to the semi-final.
It would be easy for the England players to be defined by that game, their legacy cemented within 90 devastating minutes. Yet for defender Terry Fenwick, that sunny afternoon in Mexico City has become a footnote in a personal journey that has taken him to the top of Caribbean football.
In historic footage of the Argentina match, Fenwick can be seen chasing referee Ali Bin Nasser all the way back to the halfway line, desperately appealing against Maradonas controversial handball that opened the scoring. Moments later he was one of the players valiantly trying to stop Argentinas No.10 as he glided across the pitch for his memorable second goal.
A no-nonsense central defender he holds the record for most yellow cards in a single World Cup Fenwick enjoyed a lengthy playing career with Crystal Palace, QPR, Tottenham Hotspur and Swindon Town before retiring in 1995, immediately becoming manager of Portsmouth.
After three seasons at Fratton Park, and a subsequent stint as director of football at non-league Southall United, Fenwick was presented with an unusual opportunity across the globe.
Sir Bobby Robson brought Newcastle United over to Trinidad and Tobago in the summer of 2000 for pre-season [and] several local club owners there approached him asking who hed recommend as a manager. He threw my name in the hat, Fenwick recalls.
What initially began as a short visit for Fenwick, made out of respect for Sir Bobby, eventually saw him settle in Trinidad for the next decade.
I visited T&T for one week and recognized it was essentially a developmental job, lots of potential but several inherent issues like politics hampering sport in general. However, the climate and lifestyle made it worth it, Fenwick tells The Set Pieces.
Trinidad and Tobago is one of only two nations in the Caribbean that has a professional domestic league, Jamaica being the other. The aptly named TT Pro League includes ten clubs and is funded by government investment, as the league strives to become self-sufficient.
Crowds are frequently low and young players often have other distractions away from the football pitch. It is a demanding job for local managers, let alone a coach coming from England with little prior knowledge of the country or culture.
But Fenwick settled quicker than most would have predicted, leading community-focused club San Juan Jabloteh to the TT Pro League title in only his second season in charge in 2002.
My success has been due to the tremendous role models I have been fortunate to learn from, he says.
Terry Venables (who Fenwick played under at Palace, QPR and Spurs in the 1980s) in particular has provided me with a whole lot of skill sets necessary to ensure sustained success in a very small but competitive environment.
Self-belief and the ability to diversify, think over and address matters in another fashion have kept things interesting.
During his time at San Juan Jabloteh, Fenwick was known for promoting youth prospects to the first team as well as getting the best out of the more established players.
Reflecting on the most talented player he has worked with in the region, Fenwick says: Aurtis Whitley was an unbelievable talent. This kid had everything, I nurtured his career and sent him off to the World Cup in 2006. What a diamond.
As he reminisces about a player he coached over 10 years ago, its clear to see Fenwick has a genuine passion for developing T&T football. He has even set up a coaching school in the country with a focus on nurturing young talent.
There have been numerous exports from the TT Pro League that have enjoyed success in stronger competitions, such as former Southampton, Stoke and Sunderland striker Kenwyne Jones. It was Fenwick who first took Jones to England, landing him a 10-day trial at Manchester United in 2002.
Other players who started out in T&T domestic football, such as Jason Scotland and Carlos Edwards, have also forged successful careers in England. Indeed, the Pro League played a vital role in Trinidad and Tobago defying the odds to qualify for the 2006 World Cup.
Fenwick is the second most successful coach in the leagues history, having won the title three times with San Juan Jabloteh and guiding fellow club Central FC to the CONCACAF Champions League in 2015.
Yet there have also been off-field incidents which have marked the 57-year-olds time in T&T, notably in 2005 when he was banned for ten games for elbowing an opposition player during a match.
When asked about the obstacles facing Trinidadian players, Fenwick says: T&T have produced excellent footballers, although there is a drawback in the cultural aspect of Caribbean life. [There are] no role models or administrators to guide the youths, with politics and self-interest taking preference.
It is this frustration with the system in Trinidad and Tobago that has seen Fenwick seek pastures new at times in his career. In 2003, after winning the league, he returned to England to take the helm at Northampton Town, but lasted only seven matches on route to the Cobblers relegation at the end of the season.
In 2014, Fenwick took charge of Belgian third division club C.S Vise. I really enjoyed Belgium although my club was financially strapped, he says. The facilities and first world lifestyle were a welcome change after so many years in Trinidad. Unfortunately Belgium are themselves restructuring and streamlining their leagues, so the timing was not the best.
Fenwick made another quick departure following financial difficulties at C.S Vise, returning to his adopted home T&T in 2015 to begin coaching again.
His extended stay in the region has earned him the praise of local football enthusiasts, with journalist Lasana Liburd, who covers the Pro League, describing Fenwick as a very astute man-manager and also a quite versatile coach in tactical terms.
His teams play at a high tempo and are always aggressive not necessarily in terms of flying studs but their eagerness to get results, Liburd added. At least one former Caribbean coach I spoke to credited Fenwick for lifting the standard of the local game because other teams had to prepare better in terms of fitness and their ability to play at tempo to compete. If you couldnt, his teams would maul yours.
Despite his domestic success, Fenwick has never been given a shot at the top job managing Trinidad and Tobagos national team. Many feel his outspoken nature, which falls in line with his no-nonsense style as a player, has hindered his prospects, with the countrys football association reluctant to hire somebody who may disagree with some of their policies.
However, in an honest observation, Fenwick remains optimistic that the role will one day come his way: I do hope Ill eventually get a crack at the top job.
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WATCH: Interview with Terry Fenwick on Field of Dreams
https://www.youtube.com/v/VvNVvZAi3eI
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Far-Flung Adventures: Terry Fenwick, from marking Maradona to managing in the Caribbean
By Santokie Nagulendran (thesetpieces.com)
Maradona. The 1986 World Cup. We all know the story; how the Argentine broke English hearts by handling the ball into the net, and then, in cruel juxtaposition, scoring one of the greatest goals of all time to win the game, sending England home and Argentina through to the semi-final.
It would be easy for the England players to be defined by that game, their legacy cemented within 90 devastating minutes. Yet for defender Terry Fenwick, that sunny afternoon in Mexico City has become a footnote in a personal journey that has taken him to the top of Caribbean football.
In historic footage of the Argentina match, Fenwick can be seen chasing referee Ali Bin Nasser all the way back to the halfway line, desperately appealing against Maradonas controversial handball that opened the scoring. Moments later he was one of the players valiantly trying to stop Argentinas No.10 as he glided across the pitch for his memorable second goal.
A no-nonsense central defender he holds the record for most yellow cards in a single World Cup Fenwick enjoyed a lengthy playing career with Crystal Palace, QPR, Tottenham Hotspur and Swindon Town before retiring in 1995, immediately becoming manager of Portsmouth.
After three seasons at Fratton Park, and a subsequent stint as director of football at non-league Southall United, Fenwick was presented with an unusual opportunity across the globe.
Sir Bobby Robson brought Newcastle United over to Trinidad and Tobago in the summer of 2000 for pre-season [and] several local club owners there approached him asking who hed recommend as a manager. He threw my name in the hat, Fenwick recalls.
What initially began as a short visit for Fenwick, made out of respect for Sir Bobby, eventually saw him settle in Trinidad for the next decade.
I visited T&T for one week and recognized it was essentially a developmental job, lots of potential but several inherent issues like politics hampering sport in general. However, the climate and lifestyle made it worth it, Fenwick tells The Set Pieces.
Trinidad and Tobago is one of only two nations in the Caribbean that has a professional domestic league, Jamaica being the other. The aptly named TT Pro League includes ten clubs and is funded by government investment, as the league strives to become self-sufficient.
Crowds are frequently low and young players often have other distractions away from the football pitch. It is a demanding job for local managers, let alone a coach coming from England with little prior knowledge of the country or culture.
But Fenwick settled quicker than most would have predicted, leading community-focused club San Juan Jabloteh to the TT Pro League title in only his second season in charge in 2002.
My success has been due to the tremendous role models I have been fortunate to learn from, he says.
Terry Venables (who Fenwick played under at Palace, QPR and Spurs in the 1980s) in particular has provided me with a whole lot of skill sets necessary to ensure sustained success in a very small but competitive environment.
Self-belief and the ability to diversify, think over and address matters in another fashion have kept things interesting.
During his time at San Juan Jabloteh, Fenwick was known for promoting youth prospects to the first team as well as getting the best out of the more established players.
Reflecting on the most talented player he has worked with in the region, Fenwick says: Aurtis Whitley was an unbelievable talent. This kid had everything, I nurtured his career and sent him off to the World Cup in 2006. What a diamond.
As he reminisces about a player he coached over 10 years ago, its clear to see Fenwick has a genuine passion for developing T&T football. He has even set up a coaching school in the country with a focus on nurturing young talent.
There have been numerous exports from the TT Pro League that have enjoyed success in stronger competitions, such as former Southampton, Stoke and Sunderland striker Kenwyne Jones. It was Fenwick who first took Jones to England, landing him a 10-day trial at Manchester United in 2002.
Other players who started out in T&T domestic football, such as Jason Scotland and Carlos Edwards, have also forged successful careers in England. Indeed, the Pro League played a vital role in Trinidad and Tobago defying the odds to qualify for the 2006 World Cup.
Fenwick is the second most successful coach in the leagues history, having won the title three times with San Juan Jabloteh and guiding fellow club Central FC to the CONCACAF Champions League in 2015.
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Perhaps he meant Caribbean not Concacaf.
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Terry "D Trute" Fenwick (The Truth already left the building)
'Dem can't Handle D Trute ', not even as ah Assist. As usual doh, he score some good goals points for me. :beermug:
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Terry "D Trute" Fenwick (The Truth already left the building)
'Dem can't Handle D Trute ', not even as ah Assist. As usual doh, he score some good goals points for me. :beermug:
Allyuh does still get tie up with de accent
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Terry "D Trute" Fenwick (The Truth already left the building)
'Dem can't Handle D Trute ', not even as ah Assist. As usual doh, he score some good goals points for me. :beermug:
Allyuh does still get tie up with de accent
Right & wrong, Discipline & Detraction, Technique, Knowledge, Experience and development, Good or bad have no accent . We aim to achieve or we don't. Not dependent on the one, except God. Fenwick is no God. No man is. That being said, God might say "Lehwe doh go dong dey" :devil:
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Terry should without a doubt be a coach on the national set up. This man has been able to carve out a winning mentality with all the teams he's been involved with in TnT. An attribute that is sadly lacking around. Sometimes we see bits of it pop up but it's not innate in our football culture and needs to nurtured. Bertille St Clair nurtures that mentality and did it with Signal Hill team in the 80s, the 1990 U20 team. In fact I remember when he was in charge of the U23 which featured Kelvin Jack, Sancho, John and Co, years later in an interview Jack said when the played Brazil which included a one Ronaldinho, he was pissed off because Bertille was telling them they could still beat them even though being a few goals down. Skill,technical and tactical awareness along with a winning mentality from the right administrators and coaches can go a damn long way.
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Exactly! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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England legend Terry Fenwick quit London for Trinidad and Tobago and has become one of the most successful coaches in the Caribbean
By Russell Lanning (The Sun)
FORMER defender Terry Fenwick spent 17 years of his 20-year playing career in London.
Today, the 59-year old lives nearly 4,500 miles away in Trinidad in the warmer climes of the Caribbean and is Technical Director of the Football Factory Foundation as well as a TV analyst.
Since he was first recommended by Sir Bobby Robson to travel to the Caribbean at the start of the century, he has established himself as one of the most successful coaches in Trinidad and Tobagos professional era having won regional and domestic titles with Central FC and San Juan Jabloteh.
Last week he was part of the Launch of the Commissioners Cup Football Tournament - along with former Stoke striker Kenwyne Jones - linking the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service with the Football Association in an initiative aimed at fighting crime.
Fenwick admitted: Its a world away from when I left home 15 and a half and left my north-east home to move to Crystal Palace.
But the one thing thats remained consistent is I feel as passionate about football now as I did 44 years ago when I was on the train to Sehurst Park - via Durham to Kings Cross - as a teenager.
The other huge plus for me being in Trinidad is the fact I have suffered from asthma throughout my life and the environment and air here compared with Britain makes it so much easier for me.
'TEAM OF THE EIGHTIES'
Fenwick - who won 20 England caps and played in the infamous Hand of God game when Diego Maradona and Argentina KOd Three Lions in the 1986 World Cup quarter-final - says he would never have made it so far in his playing career without the help of three brilliant coaches.
Malcolm Allison was the first guy who spotted me and said I had a talent. Forget the flash hat and the cigar, Malcolm was a brilliant football man.
He then put me under the wing of John Cartwright who I will always be grateful to.
Palace were down in the third tier at the time, but John coached myself along with youngsters like Vince Hilaire, Kenny Sansom and Billy Gilbert along with so many others.
Then Malcolm left and his assistant Terry Venables stepped up and we soon became labelled The Team of the Eighties.
Unfortunately, a few of the boys moved on - Kenny to Arsenal - then Terry left for QPR and I soon joined him at Loftus Road.
Without doubt, my seven years with Rangers (1980-87) were my most enjoyable and I genuinely thought Id retire at Loftus Road and never leave.
We reached the FA Cup final in 1982 and at one stage were leading Liverpool at the top of the table in old old Division One - when they were picking up league titles like confetti.
But when Terry left for Barcelona, new managers came in and it was a completely different atmosphere.
I had my most difficult decision when QPR told me George Graham wanted to talk to me at Arsenal in 1987. George was an old friend from my Palace days.
I met George and during our conversation I had a call - on one of the original old brick mobiles back in the day - and it was Terry Venables on his way to Tottenham from Barca who wanted me at White Hart Lane.
In the end I joined Tottenham, but it was one of my big regrets - but it had nothing to do with the fans at Spurs who were brilliant.
Its just the turmoil behind the scenes with Terry and Alan Sugar made it very difficult. I was aware people talked about me being a Venables boy so if Terry wasnt going to be there I would be in trouble. It was very unsettling.
He spent six years at White Hart Lane, had a loan spell at Leicester, before ending his career at Swindon in 1995.
I didnt enjoy it at Swindon. The whole structure wasnt right for me.
Having passed all his coaching badges at Lilleshall before the end of his career, it was no surprise when Fenwick was appointed in his first managerial role at Portsmouth in 1995.
I had three great years at Pompey and the supporters were incredible. The mistake I made is did too many things towards the end to make sure the board were happy rather than do what I thought was right.
I remember signing Lee Bradbury from the army for 500 and sold him for 3m to Man City three years later.
Fenwicks sons, George and Nicholas, both have hugely successful careers in the banking and money world - George currently in Hong Kong and Nicholas, who has just been headhunted back from Dubai.
He added: I am very grateful to Skype so I can keep in touch with the boys. I am so proud of them. We are planning a get together later in the year for my 60th, so it will be lovely to have us all together.
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Fenwick: Youths key to football success.
By Clint Chan Tack (Newsday).
FOOTBALL Factory technical director Terry Fenwick yesterday said emphasis must be placed on youth development if T&T is going to compete successfully at international football tournaments such as the Concacaf Gold Cup.
Fenwick, a former England defender who played for clubs such as Tottenham Hotspur and Crystal Palace, underscored this point at the launch of the Commissioners Cup at the Mickey Trotman Ground, Pinto Road, Arima.
Fenwick told reporters the Football Factory is hoping to unearth some of the great football talent in T&T. T&T has got some fabulous talent on the ground. Some never get to the forefront because they are missed. As the tournament takes place from July to August, Fenwick said the Football Factory will be out there eyes peeled. He added Already we are seeing some great talent out there. On T&Ts exit from this years Concacaf Gold Cup in the United States, Fenwick said the development of local football has got to start at the grassroots. He explained, We got to have structure and weve got to have top coaches at every position so when the kids come to these competitions, we compete.
Fenwick added, At the moment what were seeing is national sides which are not competing. Theyre just turning up. Thats got to change.
He did not comment on the debate about whether national coach Dennis Lawrence or TT Football Association (TTFA) president David John-Williams were to blame for what happened at the Gold Cup..
He reiterated, More importantly, what were looking at is the kids of T&T. After saying footballs worldwide impact cannot be ignored, Fenwick said, We cant allow our administration and coaches to negatively impact the possibilities for these kids. Fenwick previously said the TTFA should be held to account for what happened at the Gold Cup. He also said Lawrence has had a difficult time as coach and the team seemed to be under pressure all the time.
Fenwick was optimistic the Cup would become an annual event and an opportunity for young people to get football scholarships or play for T&T. He agreed with Commissioner of Police Gary Griffith that the Cup was a game changer in communities in T&T.
Griffith observed that countries such as Panama and Venezuela have invested in the development of football at youth level. He said T&T needed to follow that model if it is to compete successfully at the international level. Griffith said the Cup has been sanctioned by the TTFA and former national player Kenwyne Jones is among the people involved in promoting it.
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Let the current U-20 enter the Olympic qualification, NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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It's too bad this guy was never allowed to coach a national youth team.
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Fenwick appointed Trinidad and Tobago Men's Senior Team Head Coach
TTFA Media
The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association is pleased to announce the appointment of former England international Terry Fenwick to the position of Head Coach of the Trinidad and Tobago Senior Mens National Team.
Fenwick, who made 20 appearances for England and over 400 appearances in Englands top division for three famous London clubs; Tottenham Hotspur, Queens Park Rangers and Crystal Palace, has a long association with Trinidad and Tobago football. He has won four Professional League titles with San Juan Jabloteh FC and has played a significant part in guiding many Trinidad and Tobago players to professional contracts and university scholarships abroad.
Fenwick has been appointed for two years, beginning January 1st 2020. His first major task will be to guide Trinidad and Tobago through the CONCACAF Gold Cup 2021 playoff against either Barbados or Guyana in June of next year.
Fenwick in an immediate response to the appointment told TTFA Media After 20 years working across Trinidad & Tobago football, I am honoured to have been given this opportunity to improve the fortunes of the senior mens national team. My time here means Im already aware of the job that needs to be done but I also know theres a tremendous opportunity to play a part in getting Trinidad & Tobago back to where it belongs in the order of world football.
During my time here Ive seen and worked with many unsung heroes from all communities who are committed to improving T&T football. Their support will be needed more than ever now, and I look forward to working with everyone to make sure that together, were as successful as we can possibly be, Fenwick added.
Fenwick will also work with the coaches of the national youth teams as the TTFA Technical Committee seeks to ensure technical linkages and continuity between national teams and within the TTFA National Teams Programme.
TTFA President William Wallace commenting on the appointment, said. We received strong representation from a number of candidates for the position of Head Coach, but Terrys knowledge of our football, coupled with his international experience made him the obvious choice. I am delighted and excited by Terrys appointment as it represents a significant step in our overall re-development. As part of the National Teams Programme, his influence will be felt at all levels and the TTFA Board is looking forward to supporting him in every way possible.
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Let's see how it goes, watch de ride
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Welcome to the asylum! (And RIP Jim Smith!)
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Let's see how it goes, watch de ride
His team selection will be the most interesting to watch...
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I more interested to see who he go tackle first on de sidelines ;)
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I more interested to see who he go tackle first on de sidelines ;)
:rotfl:
Those days may be past him...
Imagine he takes the team to the big dance ... wow
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I more interested to see who he go tackle first on de sidelines ;)
:rotfl:
Those days may be past him...
Imagine he takes the team to the big dance ... wow
First de small dance, then lehwe reconvene.
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Let's see how it goes, watch de ride
His team selection will be the most interesting to watch...
Eagerly awaiting who will be on his staff. That will be a signal to arms.
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I more interested to see who he go tackle first on de sidelines ;)
:rotfl:
Those days may be past him...
Imagine he takes the team to the big dance ... wow
First de small dance, then lehwe reconvene.
:beermug:
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Let's see how it goes, watch de ride
His team selection will be the most interesting to watch...
Eagerly awaiting who will be on his staff. That will be a signal to arms.
Yes that as well :beermug:
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I more interested to see who he go tackle first on de sidelines ;)
Ah shipping you a 'Fenwick: Factory built for success' T-shirt for Xmas!
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And Terry Fenwick ... Anyhow ah see Football Factory with that T-shirt ah want meh $ eh ...
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asylum, could you name any player or players on the horizon from football factory?
https://www.guardian.co.tt/sports/fenwick-gets-soca-warriors-job-6.2.1012020.231cb8218e
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asylum, could you name any player or players on the horizon from football factory?
https://www.guardian.co.tt/sports/fenwick-gets-soca-warriors-job-6.2.1012020.231cb8218e
Busy factory. Doh know the ratio of De Loreans to Camrys to Rolls Royces. What to tell yuh? What Hyundai was in 1987 is not what Hyundai was in 1997.
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Cautiously optimistic. Whilst I have had and continue to have some serious reservations about his dealings in the past (especially his Belgian escapade), he is undeniably one of the best managers domestically.
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Fenwick appointed Trinidad and Tobago Men's Senior Team Head Coach
TTFA Media
The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association is pleased to announce the appointment of former England international Terry Fenwick to the position of Head Coach of the Trinidad and Tobago Senior Mens National Team.
Fenwick, who made 20 appearances for England and over 400 appearances in Englands top division for three famous London clubs; Tottenham Hotspur, Queens Park Rangers and Crystal Palace, has a long association with Trinidad and Tobago football. He has won four Professional League titles with San Juan Jabloteh FC and has played a significant part in guiding many Trinidad and Tobago players to professional contracts and university scholarships abroad.
Fenwick has been appointed for two years, beginning January 1st 2020. His first major task will be to guide Trinidad and Tobago through the CONCACAF Gold Cup 2021 playoff against either Barbados or Guyana in June of next year.
Fenwick in an immediate response to the appointment told TTFA Media After 20 years working across Trinidad & Tobago football, I am honoured to have been given this opportunity to improve the fortunes of the senior mens national team. My time here means Im already aware of the job that needs to be done but I also know theres a tremendous opportunity to play a part in getting Trinidad & Tobago back to where it belongs in the order of world football.
During my time here Ive seen and worked with many unsung heroes from all communities who are committed to improving T&T football. Their support will be needed more than ever now, and I look forward to working with everyone to make sure that together, were as successful as we can possibly be, Fenwick added.
Fenwick will also work with the coaches of the national youth teams as the TTFA Technical Committee seeks to ensure technical linkages and continuity between national teams and within the TTFA National Teams Programme.
TTFA President William Wallace commenting on the appointment, said. We received strong representation from a number of candidates for the position of Head Coach, but Terrys knowledge of our football, coupled with his international experience made him the obvious choice. I am delighted and excited by Terrys appointment as it represents a significant step in our overall re-development. As part of the National Teams Programme, his influence will be felt at all levels and the TTFA Board is looking forward to supporting him in every way possible.
GREAT !!!!!!
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Posted by Frico:
The best thing that has happened to TT football but it took too long for DL to realize he wasn't up to the job,had he stayed another season or 2 we may well be down with the likes of Burma and Bangladesh.DL was only taking us down and down,the English Trini could not do worse in fact I expect better and a climb back to where we belong,the second best team or the best team in the Caribbean.
Show dem Tel
Yuh inventing yuh own facts?
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Jones believes Fenwick can do T&T job.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).
Former Soca Warriors captain Kenwyne Jones says the appointment of Terry Fenwick at the helm of the current struggling team was needed and it did not come as a surprise due to the items in the United T&T Football Associations manifesto.
For T&T football, it is good to have some stability at the head. The things they have outlined for the future, in terms of the training camps and what not, hopefully, that is something that will be solidified, the investment that is necessary, the structure that is necessary and maybe the future of T&T football will be in good hands, Jones explained.
Jones believes Fenwick, who was appointed to replace the sacked Dennis Lawrence earlier this week, will bring with him his professionalism and experience.
We need to change the culture of the tournament mindset and we need to start having that continuous programme, continuous planning, not only for the national teams but also the club programme, academy programme, the school programme, everything needs to change at this point, where we start thinking about long term and not short term.
However, Jones does not feel Fenwick will have it all easy at the start. Noting, the UK coach has been very critical of others coaches over the last decade, Jones said, He (Fenwick) would have a lot of convincing to do because hes been here for quite a while and has been on the other side of the fence. He did a lot of criticising of teams, players and coaches but now its his turn to manage. So hell have to convince people and win them over.
Former national midfielder, now coach Travis Mulraine also believes Fenwicks selection was a good one. However, he says he will stay away from making any predictions, saying we will see what will happen in time to come.
Mulraine, a former Matura ReUnited and Guaya United coach who played under Fenwick at San Juan Jabloteh in the T&T Pro League, said Fenwick is definitely deserving of a chance, having won titles with Jabloteh, Central FC and being excellent at unearthing and developing new talent.
What I think Fenwick needs to do at this point in time is to bring in fresh blood in the team and do away with some of the old players. He will also need to ensure that he gets the foreign-based players to toe the line, which will encourage the others to follow, Mulraine said.
He described Fenwick as a very good coach defensively, who likes to have pace in his attack.
For many years, our problem has been our defence. We have been making many blunders in the defence, causing us to concede a lot of soft goals, so I believe Fenwick should do well in that area, he said.
Fenwick, who was overlooked back in 2016 for the top coaching job as the TTFA went with Lawrence, was this time chosen ahead of a number of top international coaches, including Englands Simon Mc Menemy, Stephen Constantine and Peter Taylor, by the new TTFA Technical Committee headed by Keith Look Loy.
Meanwhile, former North East Stars, FC Santa Rosa and national coach Derek King, who now plies his trade with Canadian Premier League club Halifax Wanderers, alongside another former T&T coach Stephen Hart, was yesterday named as Fenwicks assistant. It is understood King was actually chosen by Fenwick and the TTFA board will have to ratify his selection at its next meeting in early January.
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Hope TTFA also consult with Local clubs and the school league about about upping the quality of the local game especially as it relates to intensity of play....our very slow play and lack of aggression\urgency across the board does not prepare our players for whats on the outside.....It's very difficult for ah man who accustom to jugging\standing around to be asked to sprinting\moving around constantly when he not being asked to do dat with his club, Hart faced dat when he was forced to use mostly pro league players. There has to be a collective effort to raise standards\speed of play nationwide.
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Posted by Frico:
The best thing that has happened to TT football but it took too long for DL to realize he wasn't up to the job,had he stayed another season or 2 we may well be down with the likes of Burma and Bangladesh.DL was only taking us down and down,the English Trini could not do worse in fact I expect better and a climb back to where we belong,the second best team or the best team in the Caribbean.
Show dem Tel
Yuh inventing yuh own facts?
Yuh can't invent facts mate..."facts are facts",yuh mussy hear that saying before,if yuh haven't,yuh hear it now. ;D ;D ;D
Have a nice Christmas and a Peaceful New Year.
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Posted by Frico:
The best thing that has happened to TT football but it took too long for DL to realize he wasn't up to the job,had he stayed another season or 2 we may well be down with the likes of Burma and Bangladesh.DL was only taking us down and down,the English Trini could not do worse in fact I expect better and a climb back to where we belong,the second best team or the best team in the Caribbean.
Show dem Tel
Yuh inventing yuh own facts?
Yuh can't invent facts mate..."facts are facts",yuh mussy hear that saying before,if yuh haven't,yuh hear it now. ;D ;D ;D
Have a nice Christmas and a Peaceful New Year.
As far as I'm aware, DL never said he wasn't up to the task ... unless you had a private conversation with him.
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assylumseeker
Nobody needed a private conversation with DL to know he wasn't up to it ,his results told us and he resigned knowing clearly he wasn't up to the job.It is fair to assume that he wasn't up to it.You are "splitting hairs"
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He didn't resign though ???
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He didn't resign though ???
Alternative facts, nah.
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Jones believes Fenwick can do T&T job.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).
Former Soca Warriors captain Kenwyne Jones says the appointment of Terry Fenwick at the helm of the current struggling team was needed and it did not come as a surprise due to the items in the United T&T Football Associations manifesto.
For T&T football, it is good to have some stability at the head. The things they have outlined for the future, in terms of the training camps and what not, hopefully, that is something that will be solidified, the investment that is necessary, the structure that is necessary and maybe the future of T&T football will be in good hands, Jones explained.
Jones believes Fenwick, who was appointed to replace the sacked Dennis Lawrence earlier this week, will bring with him his professionalism and experience.
We need to change the culture of the tournament mindset and we need to start having that continuous programme, continuous planning, not only for the national teams but also the club programme, academy programme, the school programme, everything needs to change at this point, where we start thinking about long term and not short term.
However, Jones does not feel Fenwick will have it all easy at the start. Noting, the UK coach has been very critical of others coaches over the last decade, Jones said, He (Fenwick) would have a lot of convincing to do because hes been here for quite a while and has been on the other side of the fence. He did a lot of criticising of teams, players and coaches but now its his turn to manage. So hell have to convince people and win them over.
Former national midfielder, now coach Travis Mulraine also believes Fenwicks selection was a good one. However, he says he will stay away from making any predictions, saying we will see what will happen in time to come.
Mulraine, a former Matura ReUnited and Guaya United coach who played under Fenwick at San Juan Jabloteh in the T&T Pro League, said Fenwick is definitely deserving of a chance, having won titles with Jabloteh, Central FC and being excellent at unearthing and developing new talent.
What I think Fenwick needs to do at this point in time is to bring in fresh blood in the team and do away with some of the old players. He will also need to ensure that he gets the foreign-based players to toe the line, which will encourage the others to follow, Mulraine said.
He described Fenwick as a very good coach defensively, who likes to have pace in his attack.
For many years, our problem has been our defence. We have been making many blunders in the defence, causing us to concede a lot of soft goals, so I believe Fenwick should do well in that area, he said.
Fenwick, who was overlooked back in 2016 for the top coaching job as the TTFA went with Lawrence, was this time chosen ahead of a number of top international coaches, including Englands Simon Mc Menemy, Stephen Constantine and Peter Taylor, by the new TTFA Technical Committee headed by Keith Look Loy.
Meanwhile, former North East Stars, FC Santa Rosa and national coach Derek King, who now plies his trade with Canadian Premier League club Halifax Wanderers, alongside another former T&T coach Stephen Hart, was yesterday named as Fenwicks assistant. It is understood King was actually chosen by Fenwick and the TTFA board will have to ratify his selection at its next meeting in early January.
McMenemy - hell no
Constantine - nope
Peter Taylor - interesting but still skeptical
Fenwick would still have been my choice
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Constantine was the only interesting one for me - he did a job at India.
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Constantine was the only interesting one for me - he did a job at India.
He improved their ranking but wasnt that his second time and he failed with other African teams? Plus he never took them to the World Cup..
I think the only thing he did was improve their ranking...
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Yup. Interesting, but Fenwick definitely the best option for me.
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He didn't resign though ???
Alternative facts, nah.
"Alternative facts" don't change anything,he is out and was no bloody good.
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Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
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Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
Fenwick is ah Trini.
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Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
He came, he conquered all... He earned it!!
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Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
He came, he conquered all... He earned it!!
Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
He came, he conquered all... He earned it!!
Ffsback, while some aspects of our culture have survived, we are anglophile to the core. How many of us go to SA to work and study. Very few. How often TT does play Ven.? 10 times? I am not sure, but not very often. This may change with the influx of Ven. Spanish and French should be compulsory again in high school. As a matter of fact, it should start in primary school.
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this trinidad is Latin bullshit.........we went world cup under pragmatism and direct play....and people still tooting this fantasy......steups
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this trinidad is Latin bullshit.........we went world cup under pragmatism and direct play....and people still tooting this fantasy......steups
That does not render pragmatism and direct play a permanent or exclusive recipe. Pragmatism should always have a role and direct play is a useful expedient, but we need to become comfortable with, and steeped in, the subtleties of the game.
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this trinidad is Latin bullshit.........we went world cup under pragmatism and direct play....and people still tooting this fantasy......steups
That does not render pragmatism and direct play a permanent or exclusive recipe. Pragmatism should always have a role and direct play is a useful expedient, but we need to become comfortable with, and steeped in, the subtleties of the game.
that's not my point, I feel we overestimate our powers based on a generation of players that have now left us and affinity for a style of play that for the time being has gone beyond us, if we get touch, passing, movement and ball progression down again we can move on, til then start simple and no I not advocating long ball, more like fast build up play, similar to what d U.S does beat we ass consistently with and then after we solid, add yuh Latin seasonings and taste makers and ting :D
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Latin seasoning :rotfl:
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Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
I agree with you to some extent here but affordability was a hey factor. My main thing is what is his style of play/philosophy, hopefully it's not the typical English brand from the 80's & 90's.
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Latin seasoning :rotfl:
:D I jus find we should do d basics well, then do d basics fast and strong, and then mold ah philosophy, we have man on d NT dat still can't pass or receive ah ball under pressure....basics first
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Sense, in the spirit of Xmas with stuff on de pot de seasoning reference had meh cracking up
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To extend de food and Xmas metaphor (with a dash ah Sizzla), what I'm suggesting is: yuh cyah plant corn if yuh want to grow peas. Seasoning is for us an ingredient not a condiment.
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I wonder if anyone has stopped to notice that Latin American teams in concacaf struggle against us and jamaica? the only Latin team in concacaf who runs rings over us is honduras, and thats because they have big strong tall players like us who match us with speed and physicality.
the Mexicans would rather face any central american team than TT or jamaica, not that we beat them often or dominate them, but they struggle against us, and thats because we play more of an english brand that the Latin players struggle against. in all honesty European football is a solid brand (contrary to popular opinion) and we in trinidad should adapt ourselves to that brand and learn it well.
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I wonder if anyone has stopped to notice that Latin American teams in concacaf struggle against us and jamaica? the only Latin team in concacaf who runs rings over us is honduras, and thats because they have big strong tall players like us who match us with speed and physicality.
Like you forget about Costa Rica?
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To extend de food and Xmas metaphor (with a dash ah Sizzla), what I'm suggesting is: yuh cyah plant corn if yuh want to grow peas. Seasoning is for us an ingredient not a condiment.
I understand where yuh coming from yuh know, I jus mean build around what we have, focus it better, and incorporate what we want to have slowly with ah proper map of how to get there, right now d soil real poor for peas, but if corn could help yuh eat until then well ;)............
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I wonder if anyone has stopped to notice that Latin American teams in concacaf struggle against us and jamaica? the only Latin team in concacaf who runs rings over us is honduras, and thats because they have big strong tall players like us who match us with speed and physicality.
Like you forget about Costa Rica?
we struggle with Costa Rica the same as we struggle with mexico and El Salvador, but these teams dont demolish us like honduras. for some reason honduras has our number and we match up poorly against them.
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I wonder if anyone has stopped to notice that Latin American teams in concacaf struggle against us and jamaica? the only Latin team in concacaf who runs rings over us is honduras, and thats because they have big strong tall players like us who match us with speed and physicality.
Like you forget about Costa Rica?
we struggle with Costa Rica the same as we struggle with mexico and El Salvador, but these teams dont demolish us like honduras. for some reason honduras has our number and we match up poorly against them.
Actually, we have a worse record against Costa Rica
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I wonder if anyone has stopped to notice that Latin American teams in concacaf struggle against us and jamaica? the only Latin team in concacaf who runs rings over us is honduras, and thats because they have big strong tall players like us who match us with speed and physicality.
Like you forget about Costa Rica?
we struggle with Costa Rica the same as we struggle with mexico and El Salvador, but these teams dont demolish us like honduras. for some reason honduras has our number and we match up poorly against them.
Actually, we have a worse record against Costa Rica
Tall man, you right, I dont think we have ever beaten them in WC play. I dont think we have ever beaten JA in WC play either.
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I wonder if anyone has stopped to notice that Latin American teams in concacaf struggle against us and jamaica? the only Latin team in concacaf who runs rings over us is honduras, and thats because they have big strong tall players like us who match us with speed and physicality.
Like you forget about Costa Rica?
we struggle with Costa Rica the same as we struggle with mexico and El Salvador, but these teams dont demolish us like honduras. for some reason honduras has our number and we match up poorly against them.
Actually, we have a worse record against Costa Rica
i know mate but thats not where i was going with this comment. allow me to explain. my original point was that our european style of play particularly us and the jamaicans for some reason seem to confound the mexicans. they struggle tremendously when they play us and have to pull out all their stops, but its not so when they face the central americans whom they tend to steam roll on most occasions.
I made this comment to dispel the notion that we play a Latin brand which IMO is a fallacy, and I used honduras as a measuring stick to say that in fact the only other Latin team that play a semi euro style that matches up very good against us is honduras, we seem to somehow struggle with them and they seem to always out play us out right.
in the last 4 games we played them they had the bulk of the possession shots on goal corners you name it, in fact in our last two nations cup games if we had five corners kicks in the both games that would have been a lot. its not that mexico and costa rica are not better teams or have a better record against us than the hondurans, but for some reason when we meet, they out play us out right because of their style of play.
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I wonder if anyone has stopped to notice that Latin American teams in concacaf struggle against us and jamaica? the only Latin team in concacaf who runs rings over us is honduras, and thats because they have big strong tall players like us who match us with speed and physicality.
Like you forget about Costa Rica?
we struggle with Costa Rica the same as we struggle with mexico and El Salvador, but these teams dont demolish us like honduras. for some reason honduras has our number and we match up poorly against them.
Actually, we have a worse record against Costa Rica
i know mate but thats not where i was going with this comment. allow me to explain. my original point was that our european style of play particularly us and the jamaicans for some reason seem to confound the mexicans. they struggle tremendously when they play us and have to pull out all their stops, but its not so when they face the central americans whom they tend to steam roll on most occasions.
I made this comment to dispel the notion that we play a Latin brand which IMO is a fallacy, and I used honduras as a measuring stick to say that in fact the only other Latin team that play a semi euro style that matches up very good against us is honduras, we seem to somehow struggle with them and they seem to always out play us out right.
in the last 4 games we played them they had the bulk of the possession shots on goal corners you name it, in fact in our last two nations cup games if we had five corners kicks in the both games that would have been a lot. its not that mexico and costa rica are not better teams or have a better record against us than the hondurans, but for some reason when we meet, they out play us out right because of their style of play.
The truth is, we love the Latin brand. We are Brazil and Argentina fans, the dribbling and skills and individual play. But we do rarely have the players with those skills. To be successful, we must play with what we have and don't try to be what we are not. We therefore need to find the coach who uses our skills most efficiently. Is it any wonder that Beenhaker was able to mold our time so quickly and take us to the World Cup where many South American coaches have not? JMHO
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Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
We love it; like to see it; follow it. But we have rarely had the skilled players to play a Latin American brand of football. That is the illusion.
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Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
We love it; like to see it; follow it. But we have rarely had the skilled players to play a Latin American brand of football. That is the illusion.
exactly
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Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
We love it; like to see it; follow it. But we have rarely had the skilled players to play a Latin American brand of football. That is the illusion.
exactly
I do believe we are capable of playing another brand than the traditional English. Doesn't mean it has to be Latin American. I strongly believe we can play a style where we can build and play through our midfield. We have the talent, we just need a coach to motivate and enforce the discipline during play.
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Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
We love it; like to see it; follow it. But we have rarely had the skilled players to play a Latin American brand of football. That is the illusion.
exactly
I do believe we are capable of playing another brand than the traditional English. Doesn't mean it has to be Latin American. I strongly believe we can play a style where we can build and play through our midfield. We have the talent, we just need a coach to motivate and enforce the discipline during play.
I feel we would do well adapting that fast basic but hard nosed "pass and move" "brand" the U.S. deploys so effectively at times and move on from there, our speed of play needs a serious upgrade, remember our women did well with that, we went toe for toe with the U.S in a women's game for the first time ever under Waldron and for god sake re implement a proper pressing system we cause teams in this region issues when we press
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I do believe we are capable of playing another brand than the traditional English. Doesn't mean it has to be Latin American. I strongly believe we can play a style where we can build and play through our midfield. We have the talent, we just need a coach to motivate and enforce the discipline during play.
Precisely. Also, the notion of an "English style" (certainly what posters apparently have in mind a la the 70s and 80s) is pass to somewhat pass in elite football.
There are two concerns (1) the immediate future and (2) way beyond that. For the immediate future I agree with all the posts that are focused on maximizing what we have; for beyond that, maximizing what we have without nutrients from other player development traditions is to ignore reality.
While there have been players that have been good players that have emerged from within our traditions, based on what we have, we are underproducing high caliber pros (and those that we have produced are not being produced through a global and systematic structure ... which is where the crux of the problem lies).
That will continue to be the case if we believe the issue is absolutely grounded in the distances between an "English style", "Latin styles", "US style", "European style" etc. The issue is not stylistic in the abstract. It is a technical and tactical composite exaggerated by a gap in physical preparation. In Africa there's not a lot of time spent being consumed with an "African style" (that was primarily the discourse of several years back) ... what they are consumed with is putting players on the market who can play anywhere and adapt anywhere without stunting the players' organic qualities ... which is basically what the South American market leaders have been preoccupied with ...
It was the English who had a bias against the prospect of dominance by certain foreign players in the English game and contemporary history has pretty much put paid to each one of those prejudices and biases. It turns out the deficiencies were English coaching deficiencies rather than absolute player ineptitude or lack of suitability to English conditions.
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And now for the virtual tour. I will post 4 videos eventually, starting with this one ... deliberately chosen for a number of reasons (we will flush dem out, but the main ones should be obvious to begging for an answer).
https://youtube.com/v/oiiZR8UdfvY
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Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
We love it; like to see it; follow it. But we have rarely had the skilled players to play a Latin American brand of football. That is the illusion.
exactly
I do believe we are capable of playing another brand than the traditional English. Doesn't mean it has to be Latin American. I strongly believe we can play a style where we can build and play through our midfield. We have the talent, we just need a coach to motivate and enforce the discipline during play.
I feel we would do well adapting that fast basic but hard nosed "pass and move" "brand" the U.S. deploys so effectively at times and move on from there, our speed of play needs a serious upgrade, remember our women did well with that, we went toe for toe with the U.S in a women's game for the first time ever under Waldron and for god sake re implement a proper pressing system we cause teams in this region issues when we press
Today I watched 3 Boxing Day matches. The teams in the EPL do not play the traditional English football as in the past. The teams are packed with foreigners whose styles are incorporated into the English game and changing it. Almost all the EPL teams do a lot more short passing than hit the long ball as they raise their heads. The well manicured grounds of the EPL are designed for this new style of football. In addition there are many continental coaches in the EPL who are changing that style of English football. maybe the lower division teams are still playing old traditional English style. I don't know. But as they move up, they all change their style to adapt to the premiership.
Right now Liverpool and Man. City are as good or equal to any continental galacticos, and can handle anything the South Americans throw at them.
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And now for the virtual tour. I will post 4 videos eventually, starting with this one ... deliberately chosen for a number of reasons (we will flush dem out, but the main ones should be obvious to begging for an answer).
https://youtube.com/v/oiiZR8UdfvY
Damn asylum, you showing your age.
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And now for the virtual tour. I will post 4 videos eventually, starting with this one ... deliberately chosen for a number of reasons (we will flush dem out, but the main ones should be obvious to begging for an answer).
https://youtube.com/v/oiiZR8UdfvY
this brings back memories of when we first moved to england, the muddy white clothes the skinny looking players who ran ran and ran the field without stoping and scoring those basic goals with that ordinary white ball with no designs. seems to me back then all the pitches in england looked like great big pig sties just filled with mud especially in the 6 yard box. Yuk.
those were the days though. the old boys smoking their pipes and rocking those tweed brixton hats singing their lungs out in the pubs to their favorite teams. those were the days of the firms and the hooliganism, bitter sweet memories.
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thats when english footballers almost never back pass, they either pass forward or square but rarely will they re start the play, back then the play the quintessential back and forwards as we saw in that clip.
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thats when english footballers almost never back pass, they either pass forward or square but rarely will they re start the play, back then the play the quintessential back and forwards as we saw in that clip.
I remember those matches on Star Soccer. Leeds was a real terror team. Bremner, Lorimor, Clark, etc would terrorizes all them teams. They had real good players. I was really surprised when the fell out of grace and got demoted. Northingham Forest was another go for broke team.
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Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
We love it; like to see it; follow it. But we have rarely had the skilled players to play a Latin American brand of football. That is the illusion.
exactly
I do believe we are capable of playing another brand than the traditional English. Doesn't mean it has to be Latin American. I strongly believe we can play a style where we can build and play through our midfield. We have the talent, we just need a coach to motivate and enforce the discipline during play.
I feel we would do well adapting that fast basic but hard nosed "pass and move" "brand" the U.S. deploys so effectively at times and move on from there, our speed of play needs a serious upgrade, remember our women did well with that, we went toe for toe with the U.S in a women's game for the first time ever under Waldron and for god sake re implement a proper pressing system we cause teams in this region issues when we press
Today I watched 3 Boxing Day matches. The teams in the EPL do not play the traditional English football as in the past. The teams are packed with foreigners whose styles are incorporated into the English game and changing it. Almost all the EPL teams do a lot more short passing than hit the long ball as they raise their heads. The well manicured grounds of the EPL are designed for this new style of football. In addition there are many continental coaches in the EPL who are changing that style of English football. maybe the lower division teams are still playing old traditional English style. I don't know. But as they move up, they all change their style to adapt to the premiership.
Right now Liverpool and Man. City are as good or equal to any continental galacticos, and can handle anything the South Americans throw at them.
will never advocate long ball play for us, in fact I view the long ball as a purely situational tool like quick switches of play from left to right, what I suggesting is a system that based on rapid ball progression primarily through short passing and progressive player movement, I actually think we might play well in a 4-3-3 /4-5-1 with two 8s with the players we have now.....with some work though, molino would combine well with another attack minded mid than being the sole creative outlet
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lefty, yuh watch de video yet?
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lefty, yuh watch de video yet?
yes
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lefty, yuh watch de video yet?
yes
Thoughts?
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And now for the virtual tour. I will post 4 videos eventually, starting with this one ... deliberately chosen for a number of reasons (we will flush dem out, but the main ones should be obvious to begging for an answer).
https://youtube.com/v/oiiZR8UdfvY
Damn asylum, you showing your age.
I am amused when I listen to the Nevilles of the world speak about Manchester United as if it has always had a hegemonic presence or legacy within English football or has never experienced moments of irrelevance in the title race. There's a generation of fans that's come of age believing that the "Anno Domini" of football is 1992 and that, of course, is simply not the case.
That said, I still hadda defer to the "B.C." of football to men like you and maxg etc ;D
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lefty, yuh watch de video yet?
yes
Thoughts?
for an "English" side leeds moved the ball really well, they shifted SH around nicely to create space but dey also use plenty direct runs to create chances...dat was ah real demolition
Where we going though, context
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lefty, yuh watch de video yet?
yes
Thoughts?
for an "English" side leeds moved the ball really well, they shifted SH around nicely to create space but dey also use plenty direct runs to create chances...dat was ah real demolition
Where we going though, context
First question: any reliance on the long ball? And what yuh mean "English"? No quotation marks required. :)
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Other than to switch play or "release" attackers not much as far as i percieved anyway and "English" ah mean d stereotypical route 1 idea of it
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Other than to switch play or "release" attackers not much as far as i percieved anyway and "English" ah mean d stereotypical route 1 idea of it
As far as long forward passes, I recall seeing ONE long diagonal ball played from inside the left flank to the right side/right top of the penalty area. There wasn't any reliance on standard long ball played from inside Leeds' half into Southampton's.
Any dissenters?
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Second question: Does anyone see any features or characteristics that are present in how football is played across T&T today? If so, what?
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Other than to switch play or "release" attackers not much as far as i percieved anyway and "English" ah mean d stereotypical route 1 idea of it
As far as long forward passes, I recall seeing ONE long diagonal ball played from inside the left flank to the right side/right top of the penalty area. There wasn't any reliance on standard long ball played from inside Leeds' half into Southampton's.
Any dissenters?
not from me
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Second question: Does anyone see any features or characteristics that are present in how football is played across T&T today? If so, what?
passes always seemed "high percentage" meaning there was always a chance to get on the end of them
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Second video (with a bonus video): Chelsea vs Wolves, played December 11, 1976. Mid-decade, but the twist here is that this is a Second Division match. Both Chelsea and Wolves would return to the English top flight at the end of this season.
https://youtube.com/v/T4UnUhhxL9Q
Bonus video (not one of the four promised): Derby County vs Benfica; played October 25, 1972.
https://youtube.com/v/0VrfPx7e3fo
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Second question: Does anyone see any features or characteristics that are present in how football is played across T&T today? If so, what?
passes always seemed "high percentage" meaning there was always a chance to get on the end of them
How does running relate to the game?
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And yes, that's Eusebio.
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Second question: Does anyone see any features or characteristics that are present in how football is played across T&T today? If so, what?
passes always seemed "high percentage" meaning there was always a chance to get on the end of them
How does running relate to the game?
positional sense dictated the movement of the players for the most part
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And yes, that's Eusebio.
Derby County was a very good team in the 70s. They had a real good stopper named Roy MarcFarlane.
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Long ball as being English has always been a crude caricature that misunderstood the essentials of the English game, as I've mentioned on the forum before.
High tempo, physical, and direct (read: not long) are the more traditional characteristics. High tempo, in the sense that quick transition from defence to attack was preferrred. Physical, in the sense that referees have a higher tolerance for body challenges and defenders relied more on their tackling ability than positioning or intelligence to defend (see John Terry, who was more intelligent than people give credit, and Jamie Carragher). This also tied into the preference for big and strong players, which has negatively affected the development of technical players in the English game. Direct, as mentioned previously a lack of back passing - even now if teams pass back to their defenders they'll elicit groans and/or boos.
These characteristics can be difficult to play against if you aren't a high-quality team - it's why we traditionally struggled in Europe as we were playing the best of the continent. In the early stages though, we'd make mince-meat of teams without the technical proficiency to deal with it.
Trinidad wouldn't do well under such a system for long, and I don't think it would characterise Fenwick's tactics. From the games I've watched in T&T, the tempo is significantly slower than the English game and there's a greater emphasis on individual skill/talent to make breakthroughs. I'd say there's greater emphasis on attacking down the flanks (ironically) - it's rare to get a dedicated right/left-back in T&T, they're nearly always a converted winger, and very few converted Centre-backs (like in England) and this produces its own unique balance on the wings. Wingers also seem likely to be frustrated strikers, and vice-versa - there's a fine line between the roles for a significant number of attackers. Out-and-out strikers like Willis Plaza aren't as common as in England, as physical players who can head a good cross seem devalued in Trinidad (but forgive my ignorance as I'm not so sure on this point as my others). Relatedly, Wingers nearly always seem to be inverted or inside forwards, who's primary aim is to beat their opposite number rather than put a cross in.
A lot of this might be out-dated given the paucity of local games lately...
There are, however, similarities between T&T and the lower-leagues - the types of play wouldn't be out-of-place in League Two or the Conference National. The Super League, from what little I've seen, has similarities with Conference North/South - some tactical awareness, but mostly characterised by the two or three players who have some special characteristic, be it flair, vision, speed or finishing.
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Tiresais, I see you are reluctant to commit on the heading ... don't be. That's one of the specific reasons why heading features prominently in the goals scored in the second and bonus videos. There's more to be said.
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Seeker, either allyuh hijack the thread or y'all trying to help Terry coach TT. Though I think is the former. ;D
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Seeker, either allyuh hijack the thread or y'all trying to help Terry coach TT. Though I think is the former. ;D
Full hijacking, no ski mask - which is about right for the 70s. Doh worry doh, ah already have ah match with Fenwick in sight to post (and it doh involve Maradona).
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Tiresais, I see you are reluctant to commit on the heading ... don't be. That's one of the specific reasons why heading features prominently in the goals scored in the second and bonus videos. There's more to be said.
Glad I am not the only one! How would you characterize T&Ts game?
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So we have seen footage of the early 70s and the mid-70s ... I was going to move into the 80s with another video, but I've decided to do this thing properly and post match clips from a match that capped the close of the 70s. It was played on February 9, 1980 between Norwich City and Liverpool and is considered one of the best matches ever played in England. Again, no long ball for any doubters, but that's the least of the contentions at this point. Enjoy, you'll also see the best goal scored in the First Division that season ... and that goal produced a lot of other outcomes.
https://www.youtube.com/v/2KC_Edga6oM
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Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
He came, he conquered all... He earned it!!
Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
He came, he conquered all... He earned it!!
Ffsback, while some aspects of our culture have survived, we are anglophile to the core. How many of us go to SA to work and study. Very few. How often TT does play Ven.? 10 times? I am not sure, but not very often. This may change with the influx of Ven. Spanish and French should be compulsory again in high school. As a matter of fact, it should start in primary school.
While the English did put the icing on the cake all the ingredients is from the Spanish with a little French topping just to give it a extra taste while I agree Trinidad has a anglophile influence I disagree with us been anglophile to the core.
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I wonder if anyone has stopped to notice that Latin American teams in concacaf struggle against us and jamaica? the only Latin team in concacaf who runs rings over us is honduras, and thats because they have big strong tall players like us who match us with speed and physicality.
the Mexicans would rather face any central american team than TT or jamaica, not that we beat them often or dominate them, but they struggle against us, and thats because we play more of an english brand that the Latin players struggle against. in all honesty European football is a solid brand (contrary to popular opinion) and we in trinidad should adapt ourselves to that brand and learn it well.
People make the mistake and confuse TT football with Jamaica football but they not the same the English game suites Jamaican football because they are fast physical and athletic and also discipline teams in the CONCACAF struggle to deal with this even though the Jamaicans have a loosing record vs Costa Rica and Honduras they have a better record than TT vs those teams.
TT dose not have those quality's we can't bully those teams like how Jamaica does I saw a game were Evan Wise make a Costa Rican player look bad and the Costa Rican player went and kick him down I remember a game where R Latapy had to be taken off the field in a stretcher when them Costa Rican players was done with him I can't remember any team from TT been physically imposing we just not built for that game.
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I wonder if anyone has stopped to notice that Latin American teams in concacaf struggle against us and jamaica? the only Latin team in concacaf who runs rings over us is honduras, and thats because they have big strong tall players like us who match us with speed and physicality.
the Mexicans would rather face any central american team than TT or jamaica, not that we beat them often or dominate them, but they struggle against us, and thats because we play more of an english brand that the Latin players struggle against. in all honesty European football is a solid brand (contrary to popular opinion) and we in trinidad should adapt ourselves to that brand and learn it well.
People make the mistake and confuse TT football with Jamaica football but they not the same the English game suites Jamaican football because they are fast physical and athletic and also discipline teams in the CONCACAF struggle to deal with this even though the Jamaicans have a loosing record vs Costa Rica and Honduras they have a better record than TT vs those teams.
TT dose not have those quality's we can't bully those teams like how Jamaica does I saw a game were Evan Wise make a Costa Rican player look bad and the Costa Rican player went and kick him down I remember a game where R Latapy had to be taken off the field in a stretcher when them Costa Rican players was done with him I can't remember any team from TT been physically imposing we just not built for that game.
ah mate youre wrong, our game has changed tremendously since the days of the dwarikas the latapys and the evans wise, we saw the last of those players after the 2006 world cup. today we have beefy players like levi garcia, danial cyrus, khaleem hyland, Ryan telfer, kenwin jones, neval hackshaw, Sheldon bateau, even smaller players like jovin jones and kevin molino has beefed up.
I remember watching a game recently and the mexican broadcasters was talking about how physical trinidad and jamaica were and the had some apprehension of facing us. we no longer have small nashy lightweight players unless they came from SSFL or the pro league.
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Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
He came, he conquered all... He earned it!!
Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
He came, he conquered all... He earned it!!
Ffsback, while some aspects of our culture have survived, we are anglophile to the core. How many of us go to SA to work and study. Very few. How often TT does play Ven.? 10 times? I am not sure, but not very often. This may change with the influx of Ven. Spanish and French should be compulsory again in high school. As a matter of fact, it should start in primary school.
While the English did put the icing on the cake all the ingredients is from the Spanish with a little French topping just to give it a extra taste while I agree Trinidad has a anglophile influence I disagree with us been anglophile to the core.
yes we have Spanish and French influences, but those influences has fallen off dramatically. The Spanish may be revived with the influx of Ven. But honestly most Trinis can't speak a decent sentence in french or Spanish to save they live. By the late 60s the little patois and Spanish we had were gone. Only Parang was there, and that is for only 3 months of the year. Ask them Ven. what they think about our Spanish. They go tell you. We have been heavily influence by Americanism from the 70s. We are American Anglophones to the core now..
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Totally confused and lack the will of owning itself....thats where we are...and at the bottom of the barrel to boot....ha ha ha...we have been following those who we were not...rather than forgeing our own identity...case closed a lack of leadership poor planning and friendism....ask.
where is the loyalty...mmmmmmm....the on field product should trump all... :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead:
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I wonder if anyone has stopped to notice that Latin American teams in concacaf struggle against us and jamaica? the only Latin team in concacaf who runs rings over us is honduras, and thats because they have big strong tall players like us who match us with speed and physicality.
the Mexicans would rather face any central american team than TT or jamaica, not that we beat them often or dominate them, but they struggle against us, and thats because we play more of an english brand that the Latin players struggle against. in all honesty European football is a solid brand (contrary to popular opinion) and we in trinidad should adapt ourselves to that brand and learn it well.
People make the mistake and confuse TT football with Jamaica football but they not the same the English game suites Jamaican football because they are fast physical and athletic and also discipline teams in the CONCACAF struggle to deal with this even though the Jamaicans have a loosing record vs Costa Rica and Honduras they have a better record than TT vs those teams.
TT dose not have those quality's we can't bully those teams like how Jamaica does I saw a game were Evan Wise make a Costa Rican player look bad and the Costa Rican player went and kick him down I remember a game where R Latapy had to be taken off the field in a stretcher when them Costa Rican players was done with him I can't remember any team from TT been physically imposing we just not built for that game.
ah mate youre wrong, our game has changed tremendously since the days of the dwarikas the latapys and the evans wise, we saw the last of those players after the 2006 world cup. today we have beefy players like levi garcia, danial cyrus, khaleem hyland, Ryan telfer, kenwin jones, neval hackshaw, Sheldon bateau, even smaller players like jovin jones and kevin molino has beefed up.
I remember watching a game recently and the mexican broadcasters was talking about how physical trinidad and jamaica were and the had some apprehension of facing us. we no longer have small nasty lightweight players unless they came from SSFL or the pro league.
I agree with TT being a more physical team now but unfortunately the results remain the same.
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Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
He came, he conquered all... He earned it!!
Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
He came, he conquered all... He earned it!!
Ffsback, while some aspects of our culture have survived, we are anglophile to the core. How many of us go to SA to work and study. Very few. How often TT does play Ven.? 10 times? I am not sure, but not very often. This may change with the influx of Ven. Spanish and French should be compulsory again in high school. As a matter of fact, it should start in primary school.
While the English did put the icing on the cake all the ingredients is from the Spanish with a little French topping just to give it a extra taste while I agree Trinidad has a anglophile influence I disagree with us been anglophile to the core.
yes we have Spanish and French influences, but those influences has fallen off dramatically. The Spanish may be revived with the influx of Ven. But honestly most Trinis can't speak a decent sentence in french or Spanish to save they live. By the late 60s the little patois and Spanish we had were gone. Only Parang was there, and that is for only 3 months of the year. Ask them Ven. what they think about our Spanish. They go tell you. We have been heavily influence by Americanism from the 70s. We are American Anglophones to the core now..
I agree with most of what you are saying because half of my great grandparents spoke Spanish but once they move to town that was the end of the Spanish speaking people in my family but I just don't agree with Trinidad being a anglophones to the core even with the Americanism the Ven people would save Trinidad and bring us back to were we should be.
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Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
He came, he conquered all... He earned it!!
Its sad to see a country like Trinidad that has a Latin culture always hiring a bunch of English coach's I guess they will never get it right.
He came, he conquered all... He earned it!!
Ffsback, while some aspects of our culture have survived, we are anglophile to the core. How many of us go to SA to work and study. Very few. How often TT does play Ven.? 10 times? I am not sure, but not very often. This may change with the influx of Ven. Spanish and French should be compulsory again in high school. As a matter of fact, it should start in primary school.
While the English did put the icing on the cake all the ingredients is from the Spanish with a little French topping just to give it a extra taste while I agree Trinidad has a anglophile influence I disagree with us been anglophile to the core.
yes we have Spanish and French influences, but those influences has fallen off dramatically. The Spanish may be revived with the influx of Ven. But honestly most Trinis can't speak a decent sentence in french or Spanish to save they live. By the late 60s the little patois and Spanish we had were gone. Only Parang was there, and that is for only 3 months of the year. Ask them Ven. what they think about our Spanish. They go tell you. We have been heavily influence by Americanism from the 70s. We are American Anglophones to the core now..
I agree with most of what you are saying because half of my great grandparents spoke Spanish but once they move to town that was the end of the Spanish speaking people in my family but I just don't agree with Trinidad being a anglophones to the core even with the Americanism the Ven people would save Trinidad and bring us back to were we should be.
Who are the people playing baseball in the Savannah? Our distracted football saviours?
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As of today, Fenwick is officially on the HOT SEAT and on the hook. 🔥 His task: to blaze a trail to the Gold Cup. Failing that iz 'fiyah' 🔥🔥same way but on a hotter seat when
we allyuh ride for him. :)
Good luck, coach!
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WATCH: Kelvin Jack in conversation with ExtraTime TV's Andre Sooklal regarding Terry Fenwick's assumption of coaching duties with the Soca Warriors.
https://youtube.com/v/oR0ZDXMYnZ0
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I'm patiently waiting on the first interview with the new manager.
C'mon Flex, Tallman or Lasana do your best ;D
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I'm patiently waiting on the first interview with the new manager.
C'mon Flex, Tallman or Lasana do your best ;D
Did he do a national press conference as yet ?
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I'm patiently waiting on the first interview with the new manager.
C'mon Flex, Tallman or Lasana do your best ;D
Did he do a national press conference as yet ?
Nah he hasn't.
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If one long ball reaches the player it's planned for why use 15,20 or 25 passes to do it,long ball could always open defences just like possession football,TT don't do the long ball good enough to get results.
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If one long ball reaches the player it's planned for why use 15,20 or 25 passes to do it,long ball could always open defences just like possession football,TT don't do the long ball good enough to get results.
ONE or two versus overuse or reliance. Only a bobolee team would succumb to the repeated use of that choice.
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I'm patiently waiting on the first interview with the new manager.
C'mon Flex, Tallman or Lasana do your best ;D
Did he do a national press conference as yet ?
Nah he hasn't.
Hes waiting to finalize terms with the TTFA. Whatever that means
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WATCH: Men's Senior Team head coach Terry Fenwick addressed the media for the first time today at a Press Conference held at the National Cycling Velodrome Press Room in Couva
https://www.youtube.com/v/CmDuxUqDhmg
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The man should be a preacher not a politician.
Now you Trinis have brought back British I wish you get the success you Trinis hope for..
I would.. in all sincerity ..like to see Trinidad and Tobago do well...qualify for the world cup and so forth...
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The substance of the media interaction speaks for itself and the proof will be in the pudding. There will be enough time for pronouncements on the substance. Meanwhile, I want to focus on procedure and to congratulate Shaun and the TTFA for having a media conference with proper acoustics. It's been a long time coming. :applause:
Now we just need the media to ask appropriately thoughtful questions. MATT may need to do some training regarding media conferences.
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The substance of the media interaction speaks for itself and the proof will be in the pudding. There will be enough time for pronouncements on the substance. Meanwhile, I want to focus on procedure and to congratulate Shaun and the TTFA for having a media conference with proper acoustics. It's been a long time coming. :applause:
Now we just need the media to ask appropriately thoughtful questions. MATT may need to do some training regarding media conferences.
:thumbsup:
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The man should be a preacher not a politician.
Now you Trinis have brought back British I wish you get the success you Trinis hope for..
I would.. in all sincerity ..like to see Trinidad and Tobago do well...qualify for the world cup and so forth...
"You Trinis" ... ::) OK.
Wham, yuh battling a religious conversion or yuh want to turn in yuh passport? That midnight in August '62 gone.
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Some start to sharpen they pooyah. Look, just chill out and let's see how it works out for the first couple of games.
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The man should be a preacher not a politician.
Now you Trinis have brought back British I wish you get the success you Trinis hope for..
I would.. in all sincerity ..like to see Trinidad and Tobago do well...qualify for the world cup and so forth...
Wheres the gripe?
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The man should be a preacher not a politician.
Now you Trinis have brought back British I wish you get the success you Trinis hope for..
I would.. in all sincerity ..like to see Trinidad and Tobago do well...qualify for the world cup and so forth...
Happy New Year, Breds. He has 20 years experience in TT. He is not the "typical" English coach. To say that he is not influenced by the Trini-Caribbean culture is a bit disingenuous. But again, let's see what new he will bring to the table. I wish him well. Verity, Porterfield and Lang were very good English coaches. So this time around it may well worth the while.
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Truely this is like a breath of fresh air...and worth its wait
All the best coach...hope all the pieces of the puzzle come together...and quickly...in corporation...to uplift our game that has been destroyed...bless up
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Man that press conference said all the right things. I'm starting to be optimistic!
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Fenwick: We need to bring some new blood in
By Jonathan Ramnanansingh (T&T Newsday)
NEWLY-APPOINTED national senior mens football coach, Terry Fenwick, believes TT can change its shabby run of form by placing great emphasis on well-structured youth development programmes and sourcing new talents.
Fenwick made this revelation during his first press conference as head coach, at the National Cycling Centre, Couva, on Monday. According to the veteran sport administrator, the indoctrination of athlete professionalism, at a tender age, plays a key role in returning TT to the top ranks of regional football.
However, the former English Football League player admitted success will not come overnight and TT has a lot of ground work to do.
Im looking at international players that have got TT parentage and (are) playing at decent levels around the world. A number of players have (been) identified. I think we need to bring some new blood in just to show that we have got that quality. We cant cure everything as quickly as we would like but if we work together, everybody, it will all come together, he said.
Fenwick drew reference to regional teams such as Panama, Costa Rica and Honduras, who, after four and five years of development, have now gotten the general mass of their national representatives playing overseas at a higher competitive level.
He strongly believes the implementation of a professional structure and organisation of local players in their early teens will have a significant long-term impact for the overall development of young professionals in TT senior football.
In TT, we are miles away from that (breeding young professionals). Kids are playing in the college league until theyre 20. Twenty is too late to move on and find a career in football. Weve got to address our local game absolutely, but weve got to get our kids to that standard of football. They must be professionals by age 15, added the ex-England national.
The 60-year-old coach also indicated the TT Pro League is only a fair source of unearthing local talent. With the domestic competition running just three to four months for the year, Fenwick hinted this would also be a factor contributing to unfit senior players. According to him, TT have lost its competitive dignity within the region especially since our recent demotion to the second division of Concacaf.
Fenwick,however, is willing to face his challenges head on and and get down to work, rebuilding the team from scratch and from the youth level. He remains certain TTs progression must be a team effort intent on achieving the same goal.
At the end of the day this is for TT, he continued. I want myself and the nation to be successful. I want the kids playing in the big leagues around the world but that only happens if we put the right development plans down, the right structures in place, get the right people, to run these developments, so we can galvanise the youngsters we have got. Ive been working in developmental football for 20 years with Jabloteh, Central FC and Football Factory. I still need all the help I can get.
The former Tottenham Hotspurs defender reiterated the importance of playing TTs own brand of football and moving away from copying the styles of other nations. He believes TT need to play the style that suits us.
Having been overlooked on multiple occasions for the national coaching job, Fenwick was not bothered. This allowed him the ability to observe TTs decline from an external perspective and draw his own conclusions as a coach.
I think the past administration, they were playing the style of football that clearly didnt work and it sticks out like a sore thumb with the results weve seen. Ive got to change that. Weve got a possible Gold Cup and World Cup competitions coming up. At the moment, theyre miles off of that. So Ive got to address it quickly, look at the players that Ive got, bring in who I have from outside so I can merge them together and produce a side to get us back to winning ways, he stated.
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Let me remind folks that Gally said most of What Fenwick is saying. We need our own style.
Whatever that is in 2020. Enjoy the ride and Hope is what we must believe in.
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All the best Fenwick, I'm starting to feel optimistic as well :beermug:
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WATCH: One on One with Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach Terry Fenwick
https://www.youtube.com/v/kGfHf153Bhc
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Trinidad and Tobago are now doing what they should have done at least 10 years ago,you have a man who has played at the highest level for his country and that man has achieved so much in Trinidad,what were you all waiting for,Latapy a very good fballer but knows very little about coaching so to did DL.Prior to those 2 you also had some 4th raters doing the job,what a sick administration they should be sent to serve time in Carera for bringing our game into disrepute.Just listen to T.F and you know he knows all that there is to know from top to bottom.It took so much crap to happen to our football before yall give the man the job.Let's hope for a change although it could be a slow process.
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Fenwick might be forced to miss a lot of meetings ;D
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Fenwick might be forced to miss a lot of meetings ;D
;D
And hoarding jet skis.
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WATCH: Men's Senior Team head coach Terry Fenwick addressed the media for the first time today at a Press Conference held at the National Cycling Velodrome Press Room in Couva
https://www.youtube.com/v/CmDuxUqDhmg
TT in some big trouble now!!
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ffisback, why so?
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I want to know how he think we NOW in trouble??
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I want to know how he think we NOW in trouble??
no more 70s "latin" ball
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WATCH: Men's Senior Team head coach Terry Fenwick addressed the media for the first time today at a Press Conference held at the National Cycling Velodrome Press Room in Couva
https://www.youtube.com/v/CmDuxUqDhmg
TT in some big trouble now!!
So we werent in trouble with DL and the dictator ? :rotfl: :rotfl:
Youre a friggin fool
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ffisback, why so?
According to what he is saying he is going to do what Lincoln Phillip and Randy Waldrum was doing to TT woman football that's not good for the development of football in TT.
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ffisback, why so?
According to what he is saying he is going to do what Lincoln Phillip and Randy Waldrum was doing to TT woman football that's not good for the development of football in TT.
Youre making no sense....
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I disagree with building a team with players who have TT passports .
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I disagree with building a team with players who have TT passports .
What sort of passports should they get? :devil:
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I disagree with building a team with players who have TT passports .
What sort of passports should they get? :devil:
Brazilian passports I feel. Or at least some kinda Latin lol
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I disagree with building a team with players who have TT passports .
What sort of passports should they get? :devil:
Brazilian passports I feel. Or at least some kinda Latin lol
I don't agree fully with ffisback, but I too feel that we should not look chiefly to the diaspora for quality but try to shape quality here too in equally aggressive manner, if not more so, responded to Tallman on a facebook post re d U15s some months ago during dat messy tourny DJW and crew organize
The local pool being inadequate is cop out in my opinion, why can't we do proper speed drills, introduce a nutritionist and proper strength and endurance sessions with these boys, they have fair foundation, it jus handicapped by these same development issues that have hampered us for decades, no ah not rejecting d diaspora, ah just saying - we play football at d same tempo "little or none" - fix dat. We place no emphasis on fitness endurance and nutrition - fix dat. D coaches should be mulling over dem game footage right now identifying dem ting...but guess what...ah sure it not going to happen....start doing pre game, in game and post game oppo analysis, to fix issues and understand present and future opponents, we football exist in a 70s-80s time warp with some ah dem coach we using, so guess what...ah sure it not going to happen. again ah not saying reject d diaspora, but this is 2019 it have nuff freely available info on preparing youth for modern football, why we not recognizing dat we are behind....WAY BEHIND.....in football development processes.....WHY!!!!
I too don't want us to be only seeking quality from outside at d expense of finding potential here, they exist, just isn't getting proper development ATM.
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How about while we fixing and developing locally now for the future, we recognize and utilize those that already has that foundation and developmental structure now, irregardless of wherever in the world they might be. Won't the tomorrow, quarterly, yearly and future be covered ?
Things like that do not get fixed overnight, and we have events coming up shortly. Plenty work, lot's of analsis and decision making, yet it seems the admin and support(Socawarriors.net included) up for it. Lots of volunteers seem ready to assist, won't strain the finances more than unusual. The football won't be resuscitated for a few years anyway.
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I disagree with building a team with players who have TT passports .
What sort of passports should they get? :devil:
Brazilian passports I feel. Or at least some kinda Latin lol
I don't agree fully with ffisback, but I too feel that we should not look chiefly to the diaspora for quality but try to shape quality here too in equally aggressive manner, if not more so, responded to Tallman on a facebook post re d U15s some months ago during dat messy tourny DJW and crew organize
The local pool being inadequate is cop out in my opinion, why can't we do proper speed drills, introduce a nutritionist and proper strength and endurance sessions with these boys, they have fair foundation, it jus handicapped by these same development issues that have hampered us for decades, no ah not rejecting d diaspora, ah just saying - we play football at d same tempo "little or none" - fix dat. We place no emphasis on fitness endurance and nutrition - fix dat. D coaches should be mulling over dem game footage right now identifying dem ting...but guess what...ah sure it not going to happen....start doing pre game, in game and post game oppo analysis, to fix issues and understand present and future opponents, we football exist in a 70s-80s time warp with some ah dem coach we using, so guess what...ah sure it not going to happen. again ah not saying reject d diaspora, but this is 2019 it have nuff freely available info on preparing youth for modern football, why we not recognizing dat we are behind....WAY BEHIND.....in football development processes.....WHY!!!!
I too don't want us to be only seeking quality from outside at d expense of finding potential here, they exist, just isn't getting proper development ATM.
For now we should look mainly to the diaspora bc they are talented and playing at a higher level
Unless its cummings and a few select others, I would tap that outside talent while having a small local based squad in training and developing
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Looking outside can be good - bring players in to mix with the locals and share the wealth of their professional experience, build good networks, and otherwise up the soft skills of the team.
As long as looking abroad doesn't mean neglecting domestic talent, it's good.
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I disagree with building a team with players who have TT passports .
What sort of passports should they get? :devil:
Brazilian passports I feel. Or at least some kinda Latin lol
I don't agree fully with ffisback, but I too feel that we should not look chiefly to the diaspora for quality but try to shape quality here too in equally aggressive manner, if not more so, responded to Tallman on a facebook post re d U15s some months ago during dat messy tourny DJW and crew organize
The local pool being inadequate is cop out in my opinion, why can't we do proper speed drills, introduce a nutritionist and proper strength and endurance sessions with these boys, they have fair foundation, it jus handicapped by these same development issues that have hampered us for decades, no ah not rejecting d diaspora, ah just saying - we play football at d same tempo "little or none" - fix dat. We place no emphasis on fitness endurance and nutrition - fix dat. D coaches should be mulling over dem game footage right now identifying dem ting...but guess what...ah sure it not going to happen....start doing pre game, in game and post game oppo analysis, to fix issues and understand present and future opponents, we football exist in a 70s-80s time warp with some ah dem coach we using, so guess what...ah sure it not going to happen. again ah not saying reject d diaspora, but this is 2019 it have nuff freely available info on preparing youth for modern football, why we not recognizing dat we are behind....WAY BEHIND.....in football development processes.....WHY!!!!
I too don't want us to be only seeking quality from outside at d expense of finding potential here, they exist, just isn't getting proper development ATM.
For now we should look mainly to the diaspora bc they are talented and playing at a higher level
Unless its cummings and a few select others, I would tap that outside talent while having a small local based squad in training and developing
I am not advocating against the diaspora just want us to pay equal attention to getting the levels of locals up especially our leagues, Cummings in his 30s, I thinking beyond him because I DO advocate strongly for reducing the average age of the squad, all I want is active focus on improving local levels even while we utilize the diaspora. Belgium and Iceland have excellent development programs and a unified effort to get the best pool possible, locals are never going to compete if local football levels are left as they are. This is trinidad, we tend often to ignore d big picture in favor of d expedient.
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As long as looking abroad doesn't mean neglecting domestic talent, it's good.
this
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What prompted the presumption that the mention of an infusion of players born abroad, to citizens of Trinidad and Tobago, bears a correlation to neglect of the domestic agenda?
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As long as looking abroad doesn't mean neglecting domestic talent, it's good.
this
In the short term, to supplement the paucity at certain positions, I have no reason to disagree in searching for overseas talent. This nothing new to us. It has been done before. And it will continue in the future. There is one caveat/problem I have. It is when one of the overseas talent sits on the fence, waiting for his birth country for a call up, while the parents country is waiting on an answer. But that is part of the dynamics we have to live with.
The other side is domestic. The TTFA and other entities that LOVE TT and football. We, they need to create the programs to develop men and women teams. From U 12/14 to seniors. This pro-league need drastic improvement. Fenwick will have a hard time building a credible national team, if the pro-league cannot produce good to great players. Right now they sub-standard for international football. I am in no way trying to put down the players. After watching the last GC, we know that our current players are below international standard.
The elephant in the room in the other half of the population. There has to be some kind of effort to engage the East Indian population to participate more in competitive football, not just recreational. That goes for all other sports, except cricket. Everybody like to compare us with the other elephant, JA. They say TT are underachievers in sports and other stuff. JA has a ready and eager talent pool bar non. Close too 3 million. TT has a talent pool off 1.3 million. And half the population are not engaged enough to try other sports. Hockey, rugby, basketball, netball, TF have very few East Indians, if any, participating. Swimming, tennis, table-tennis buck the trend a little. I know we always have Douglah players playing all sports. But that is not good enough. Create the atmosphere for them to participate in all the TTFA programs. There maybe at least one diamond of East Indian descent on these 2 rocks in the South Caribbean who could turn out to be a Salah, Aguero, Mahrez or I maybe stretching it far, (CR7).
The last prominent player of EI descent, as far as I concern was Steve Khan from Sando or Princess Town. Not sure. He played for Milan in the SFA. And that was in the 70s.
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What prompted the presumption that the mention of an infusion of players born abroad, to citizens of Trinidad and Tobago, bears a correlation to neglect of the domestic agenda?
because it happens, it's not deliberate, it's purely based on needs, but it happens, simple example would be when Hart was coach and had to endure the constant grumbling about pro leaguers being ignored and when they were foisted on him by hook and crook, the inadequacies of local footballers were laid bare to frustrating proportions, my concern is that if we find immediate success with the diaspora that work needed on the ground here isn't ignored both by the admin but moreso by local stakeholders.......The admin however have to set the tone for what is to be expected of players seeking national duty and enforce it with the clubs, schools(SSFL and private academies) dat pedestrian brand dat seems to be the order of the day here may leave a lot of hopefuls by the wayside in the interim given what is being articulated and will need addressing.
I want all the playing Talent available to be utilized, I just recognize, players trained here are almost automatically at a disadvantage due to the dispensation as it relate to local football dev and dat efforts should be made to bridge the gaps in conjunction to rebuilding the teams\pragram....dais all I sayin
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Lefty is it the senior men's national team coach's job to develop players in T&T or to select the best players?
Let Fenwick do his job and let the technical director/committee do theirs
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Lefty is it the senior men's national team coach's job to develop players in T&T or to select the best players?
Let Fenwick do his job and let the technical director/committee do theirs
I agree, but I think you all are missing where I coming from, the senior team situation is what it is at present, I looking more towards d future and giving what we have on d ground the best shot at making it in said future, and if local football remains what it is I see plenty grumbling in the future especially among the ffisback\s of the world re: locally trained players
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Lefty is it the senior men's national team coach's job to develop players in T&T or to select the best players?
Let Fenwick do his job and let the technical director/committee do theirs
Exactly 💯
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I think everyone who hasn't been comatose during the past 15 years understands that domestic football needs a facelift and internal procedures. Football went from somewhat functional to being on life-support. That is a conversation aside from the question of foreign-born players and our descent into life-support had nothing to do with them.
I do NOT like its inclusion in the current analysis because it signals the wrong messaging to those players and their families and it's definitely not the welcome we want to present. And it's also not true.
Just as it's a romantic idea that NT representation shouldn't be paid, it's also romantic to want to play with only players born on either island.
A little bit more and some will sound like Le Pen wanting to win a WC but without Thuram or Desailly. Discuss what really ails football but do not make it seem as if the inclusion of foreign-born players has ever impeded the on the ground progress of football structures on either island. It has not.
Largely, the persons who have impeded football in T&T live in T&T.
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Is this even a conversation?
The best players with T&T passports, Period! The best coach we could get! The best administration we could put together! WHY would we entertain anything less/else?
This will raise the standards and the expectations of all stakeholders.
We are too comfortable with mediocrity.
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Lefty is it the senior men's national team coach's job to develop players in T&T or to select the best players?
Let Fenwick do his job and let the technical director/committee do theirs
Exactly 💯
x 2.
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The issue on the table is whether Fenwick will in the space of 3-4 months have found names from abroad that DL didn't identify or couldn't include during his tenure. Also at issue is if he's able to woo those who were coy or kicked back to their corners previously. Looking forward to seeing how much of a statement is made in both respects.
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Is this even a conversation?
The best players with T&T passports, Period! The best coach we could get! The best administration we could put together! WHY would we entertain anything less/else?
This will raise the standards and the expectations of all stakeholders.
We are too comfortable with mediocrity.
This.
Put false pride aside and raise the bar.
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Lefty is it the senior men's national team coach's job to develop players in T&T or to select the best players?
Let Fenwick do his job and let the technical director/committee do theirs
Best comment youve made in a very long time :beermug:
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As long as looking abroad doesn't mean neglecting domestic talent, it's good.
this
In the short term, to supplement the paucity at certain positions, I have no reason to disagree in searching for overseas talent. This nothing new to us. It has been done before. And it will continue in the future. There is one caveat/problem I have. It is when one of the overseas talent sits on the fence, waiting for his birth country for a call up, while the parents country is waiting on an answer. But that is part of the dynamics we have to live with.
The other side is domestic. The TTFA and other entities that LOVE TT and football. We, they need to create the programs to develop men and women teams. From U 12/14 to seniors. This pro-league need drastic improvement. Fenwick will have a hard time building a credible national team, if the pro-league cannot produce good to great players. Right now they sub-standard for international football. I am in no way trying to put down the players. After watching the last GC, we know that our current players are below international standard.
The elephant in the room in the other half of the population. There has to be some kind of effort to engage the East Indian population to participate more in competitive football, not just recreational. That goes for all other sports, except cricket. Everybody like to compare us with the other elephant, JA. They say TT are underachievers in sports and other stuff. JA has a ready and eager talent pool bar non. Close too 3 million. TT has a talent pool off 1.3 million. And half the population are not engaged enough to try other sports. Hockey, rugby, basketball, netball, TF have very few East Indians, if any, participating. Swimming, tennis, table-tennis buck the trend a little. I know we always have Douglah players playing all sports. But that is not good enough. Create the atmosphere for them to participate in all the TTFA programs. There maybe at least one diamond of East Indian descent on these 2 rocks in the South Caribbean who could turn out to be a Salah, Aguero, Mahrez or I maybe stretching it far, (CR7).
The last prominent player of EI descent, as far as I concern was Steve Khan from Sando or Princess Town. Not sure. He played for Milan in the SFA. And that was in the 70s.
Theres no elephant in the room... you have Greg who hasnt started a game yet and is bar none our best keeper in and out of Trinidad and tobago to date..
I think people need to get away from the East Indian talk, they are trini, most of them cant speak a damn word of Hindi and those home are so brainwashed they think they still close to India when they are not... for argument sake they have plenty ballers who are EI descent that have been overlooked in the past and Ive heard stories ...
Select the best team and best players, whether they are Foreign or local... right now its foreign based and trust me they have many that can play... there isnt a shortage, Hutchinson who played for Canada is full trini... his brother is a friend of mine and we played basketball together
Not once was he called to try out for Trinidad... and there are many more in just the Toronto area.. that are talented and deserve a try out and some are EI descent btw like Greg ...
In fact many Trinis are just resorting to playing basketball and not football, but if they see guys getting call ups to Trinidad that deserve it, there may be a big influx of talent
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??? ok I'm done clearly english is my second language
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As long as looking abroad doesn't mean neglecting domestic talent, it's good.
this
In the short term, to supplement the paucity at certain positions, I have no reason to disagree in searching for overseas talent. This nothing new to us. It has been done before. And it will continue in the future. There is one caveat/problem I have. It is when one of the overseas talent sits on the fence, waiting for his birth country for a call up, while the parents country is waiting on an answer. But that is part of the dynamics we have to live with.
The other side is domestic. The TTFA and other entities that LOVE TT and football. We, they need to create the programs to develop men and women teams. From U 12/14 to seniors. This pro-league need drastic improvement. Fenwick will have a hard time building a credible national team, if the pro-league cannot produce good to great players. Right now they sub-standard for international football. I am in no way trying to put down the players. After watching the last GC, we know that our current players are below international standard.
The elephant in the room in the other half of the population. There has to be some kind of effort to engage the East Indian population to participate more in competitive football, not just recreational. That goes for all other sports, except cricket. Everybody like to compare us with the other elephant, JA. They say TT are underachievers in sports and other stuff. JA has a ready and eager talent pool bar non. Close too 3 million. TT has a talent pool off 1.3 million. And half the population are not engaged enough to try other sports. Hockey, rugby, basketball, netball, TF have very few East Indians, if any, participating. Swimming, tennis, table-tennis buck the trend a little. I know we always have Douglah players playing all sports. But that is not good enough. Create the atmosphere for them to participate in all the TTFA programs. There maybe at least one diamond of East Indian descent on these 2 rocks in the South Caribbean who could turn out to be a Salah, Aguero, Mahrez or I maybe stretching it far, (CR7).
The last prominent player of EI descent, as far as I concern was Steve Khan from Sando or Princess Town. Not sure. He played for Milan in the SFA. And that was in the 70s.
Theres no elephant in the room... you have Greg who hasnt started a game yet and is bar none our best keeper in and out of Trinidad and tobago to date..
I think people need to get away from the East Indian talk, they are trini, most of them cant speak a damn word of Hindi and those home are so brainwashed they think they still close to India when they are not... for argument sake they have plenty ballers who are EI descent that have been overlooked in the past and Ive heard stories ...
Select the best team and best players, whether they are Foreign or local... right now its foreign based and trust me they have many that can play... there isnt a shortage, Hutchinson who played for Canada is full trini... his brother is a friend of mine and we played basketball together
Not once was he called to try out for Trinidad... and there are many more in just the Toronto area.. that are talented and deserve a try out and some are EI descent btw like Greg ...
In fact many Trinis are just resorting to playing basketball and not football, but if they see guys getting call ups to Trinidad that deserve it, there may be a big influx of talent
I stand by what I say. Not in a pejorative way! I am saying, since this new TTFA is turning a new page for TT football, they should make an extra effort in the developmental programs. U-10/11 thru U-16. From this point we will know who want to seriously play professional or recreation football or go to US college. We have to make the effort to expand the local talent pool.
And as Fenwick said, they will be looking at overseas born players. That is fine with me. We have done that in the past and we will continue to do it in the future.
The same can be said for Tobago. Many forumites from Tobago complain of the problem that the players have. Transport is a big factor. Then some of the development programs does not include many Tobagonians or sometimes miss them completely.
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Today in History
Former San Juan Jabloteh coach, Terry Fenwick, signs T&T midfielder Brent Rahim to a loan deal at Northampton Town. Rahim's parent club is Bulgarian side Levski Sofia.
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Today in History
Former San Juan Jabloteh coach, Terry Fenwick, signs T&T midfielder Brent Rahim to a loan deal at Northampton Town. Rahim's parent club is Bulgarian side Levski Sofia.
What's he up to these days?
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Today in History
Former San Juan Jabloteh coach, Terry Fenwick, signs T&T midfielder Brent Rahim to a loan deal at Northampton Town. Rahim's parent club is Bulgarian side Levski Sofia.
What's he up to these days?
He's been a FIFA employee for the greater part of the last decade, achieving progressive responsibilities. He's currently FIFA's High Performance, Futsal and Beach Soccer Manager, effective last month.
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Today in History
Former San Juan Jabloteh coach, Terry Fenwick, signs T&T midfielder Brent Rahim to a loan deal at Northampton Town. Rahim's parent club is Bulgarian side Levski Sofia.
What's he up to these days?
He's been a FIFA employee for the greater part of the last decade, achieving progressive responsibilities. He's currently FIFA's High Performance, Futsal and Beach Soccer Manager, effective last month.
Sounds like a good career, glad to hear it.
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Listen to National Head Coach Terry Fenwick. (https://youtu.be/v36kmCTxl3I)
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Wow, imagine Fenwick knew that there used to be a football season and a cricket season!!!
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Wow, imagine Fenwick knew that there used to be a football season and a cricket season!!!
Well, he should know. Didn't we inherit the pattern of separation from the Mother Country? I understood him to be speaking about his experience in England ... which mirrored ours.
I hated cricket season. The season, not the game. I always questioned why we had to stop playing. Within a week abroad I was playing on snow. Fairly sure I could have played in our conditions hard and dry. Lost time. The divide was a convention in our heads and a neat way of having players available to both sports. So many touches lost doh.
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Listen to National Head Coach Terry Fenwick. (https://youtu.be/v36kmCTxl3I)
Nice interview, that brings into question should the SSFL season be longer say September to March ?
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WATCH: Touching base with Trinidad and Tobago Men's Head Coach Terry Fenwick
https://www.youtube.com/v/3Y5vZM0Wk7w
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Terry, go for youth and experience
T&T Newsday
THE EDITOR: Open letter to Terry Fenwick, the T&T senior team head coach.
You have always sought after the job of national football coach of the mens team. Congratulations!
However, let me remind you that its a thankless job and long knives will be drawn at your back. My view is that if you try to play superman, you will fail. You need to listen to good advice, some of which I intend to impart here.
I am always in favour of the senior team being a blend of youth and experience. I advise you to use the Star Trek tagline and boldly go where no man has gone before.
Introduce young players in the team. Since the retirement of Dwight Yorke and Russell Latapy, we have not seen a young player to excite football lovers. The closest is Kevin Molino. However, there are many young and exciting players from the Secondary Schools Football League.
Here are some names to look at: Seon Shipley, Jardel St Clair, Nathaniel Perouse, Jeron Pantor, Isaiah Chase, Mark Ramdeen, Isa Bramble, Declan Marcelle, Molik Khan, Akeel Jacob, Jordan Riley, Che Benny, Teeson Teresa, and Judah St Louis.
UTTs Michael Holder is another exciting prospect.
May I remind you the football public expects to see development in your team. At this rebuilding stage, you will lose matches and you will win some. Canada is your first test. Go brave and best of luck.
KEITH ANDERSON
Port of Spain
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I agree on the introduction youth, referencing the SSFL is a SMNT source simply solidifies my view dat we have an inflated view of local football and its player products, can an SSFL player make d NT yes, should he make said NT playing basic SSFL ball hell no, dat player needs to show d ability to level up, big time, this why I say the local football needs to be fixed or we will have a whole lot of disgruntled people when d foreign based and diaspora offspring inevitably starts rolling in and locals can't see a route because they can't or won't adapt to a faster game. I know my people and we see same said play off with Hart already
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I agree on the introduction youth, referencing the SSFL is a SMNT source simply solidifies my view dat we have an inflated view of local football and its player products, can an SSFL player make d NT yes, should he make said NT playing basic SSFL ball hell no, dat player needs to show d ability to level up, big time, this why I say the local football needs to be fixed or we will have a whole lot of disgruntled people when d foreign based and diaspora offspring inevitably starts rolling in and locals can't see a route because they can't or won't adapt to a faster game. I know my people and we see same said play off with Hart already
Agreed, SSFL players need to be tried and tested in the Pro League, such that it is...
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I agree on the introduction youth, referencing the SSFL is a SMNT source simply solidifies my view dat we have an inflated view of local football and its player products, can an SSFL player make d NT yes, should he make said NT playing basic SSFL ball hell no, dat player needs to show d ability to level up, big time, this why I say the local football needs to be fixed or we will have a whole lot of disgruntled people when d foreign based and diaspora offspring inevitably starts rolling in and locals can't see a route because they can't or won't adapt to a faster game. I know my people and we see same said play off with Hart already
Agreed, SSFL players need to be tried and tested in the Pro League, such that it is...
even the pro league needs fixing though it will be a start, I was making this very point above and people kept viewing it as some kind local bias or phobic response to scouting the diaspora, it simply isn't, what I want is measures put in place to one day have locals be naturally equipped to handle higher level football, look we just recently had another SSFL export being "surprised" at the speed at which all things football must be done at "outside" and dat is US college ball.
My point is has always been:
Bring our local footballer to a place dat d speed of the game @ NT or foreign club level cease to be a "surprise".
I want d best players to be selected regardless, I jus want d one who in trini to be given d tools and info to be in contention and not be confused and angry dat dem living here and can't get pick because there levels aren't where it should be.
Perception can be deceptive and there are many who perceive local ballers to be on certain levels that they truly are not.
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What would also help is a school's league limiting the age to school children, rather than adults..
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What is the age limit? Not U-19?
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Theoretically, but even U19 would include adults playing 15/16 year olds.
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Tink d age thing is circumvented by enrolling repeaters and 'A level students fyzo comp get ban for registration to A levels players that did not make the required CXC passes for CAPE/GCE
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Tink d age thing is circumvented by enrolling repeaters and 'A level students fyzo comp get ban for registration to A levels players that did not make the required CXC passes for CAPE/GCE
Indeed, my comment was motivated by people suggesting to me 20 year olds were playing at one point.
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Under very limited circumstances u can hit 20 doing A levels you shouldn't be able to enter at 20 though
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Theoretically, but even U19 would include adults playing 15/16 year olds.
Mind you, there are some 16 years who are physically and mentally mature to play first XI football.
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True, but they are the exception not the rule - some of these schools will have 16 year olds with little hope and/or desire to make it professionally, and even some of the good players may not have the physicality to impose themselves on the game. If they don't get picked as a result, their skills deteriorate. This is why it's so important to have appropriate age-gating, with exceptions - otherwise we hamper the development of the many for the few.
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Exclusive Terry Fenwick Interview: On taking Trinidad & Tobago back to winning ways | EXTV
ExtraTime Tv Release
Extra Time TV's Andre Sooklal sits down in a very frank discussion with former Tottenham, Queens Park Rangers and England man Terry Fenwick.
Terry has recently been appointed the coach of the Trinidad & Tobago men's national team and is now tasked with attempting to restore the team from one of its lowest moments in History. Andre and Terry go deep into conversation about what he plans to do!
Video: - Exclusive Terry Fenwick Interview: On taking Trinidad & Tobago back to winning ways | EXTV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZqO_N41nzQ&feature=youtu.be)
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Exclusive Terry Fenwick Interview: On taking Trinidad & Tobago back to winning ways | EXTV
ExtraTime Tv Release
Extra Time TV's Andre Sooklal sits down in a very frank discussion with former Tottenham, Queens Park Rangers and England man Terry Fenwick.
Terry has recently been appointed the coach of the Trinidad & Tobago men's national team and is now tasked with attempting to restore the team from one of its lowest moments in History. Andre and Terry go deep into conversation about what he plans to do!
Video: - Exclusive Terry Fenwick Interview: On taking Trinidad & Tobago back to winning ways | EXTV (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZqO_N41nzQ&feature=youtu.be)
:applause: :applause:
Allyuh doh call the coach "Terry the Trini" eh. Sooklal might sue.
The one thing I fraid with Terry and our starboys. They might be to big for bouff. Terry passion and straight talk might come sometimes come across as such. I think Terry means well, but as he said, it's TT, things don't move to fast. Neither Success or Failure. Although I do seriously think that more efficient approach is absolutely necessary and immediately required, in all aspects of society. Well he show his card, is it up the potentials to show theirs.
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No training... very little details about scouting and which players are coming..
Other than Lasana saying Fenwick was arguing with look Loy about the passport status of de Leon, inniss, Moore and powder.. is ranjitsingh finally our new keeper?
The lack of info is troubling to be honest...
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It'll all come out in the wash for the Canada game. He stated in his press conference he sees his role wider than just picking players - I imagine he's having lots of discussions with the coaching staff, youth teams, and scouting teams.
I figure some of the stuff coming from Wallace has the finger marks of Fenwick on.
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Patience is required. I know people are anxious but I think we just need a lil patience. All should be revealed in a week or two. I myself am excited to see what changes are being made. Question tho, has Ranjitsingh been playing?
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Patience people. And everything maybe mute with this virus. Lots of international games maybe have to be cancelled if authorities dont get a grip on it.
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Patience is required. I know people are anxious but I think we just need a lil patience. All should be revealed in a week or two. I myself am excited to see what changes are being made. Question tho, has Ranjitsingh been playing?
Ranjitsingh was very active in pre-season with Minnesota, but has not been in the squad for the first two games because he had to go to Montreal to sort out his green card.
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Patience is required. I know people are anxious but I think we just need a lil patience. All should be revealed in a week or two. I myself am excited to see what changes are being made. Question tho, has Ranjitsingh been playing?
Ranjitsingh was very active in pre-season with Minnesota, but has not been in the squad for the first two games because he had to go to Montreal to sort out his green card.
okay thank you. Cut i find it strange he hasn't made a match day squad
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Fenwick must apologise to Technical Committee.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).
A request by Brent Sancho, a member of the Board of Directors of the T&T Football Association, to be able to take important documents out of the office of the TTFA to do an in-depth study, was denied.
Meanwhile, TTFA president William Wallace had to intervene to quell a heated disagreement between national football coach Terry Fenwick and members of the Technical Committee on Monday in what has a dramatic 48 hours in local football.
Sancho, a former national defender and managing director of Central FC, in a letter written to William Wallace, the president of the TTFA and copied to other members of the Board, said, "Denying members the ability to take documentation outside of the walls of the TTFA is in breach and impedes my ability to perform my duties."
The letter, written last Saturday, also called for all information to be made available to him via email or hard copy by Tuesday.
When contacted by Guardian Media Sports Wallace said: "The information was provided to him on Saturday after the meeting, and I also told him that the other things are in the office if he so desired he can go and read."
Wallace made it clear that the Board ruled in a meeting that members can only peruse key information at the office but cannot leave with it. "Especially key information such as contracts can be looked at and read, but it must remain in the office of the TTFA."
However, Sancho took serious offence to this, saying studying legal documents such as contracts etc must require the services of his legal representative, as he is not a lawyer.
He believes the move is one taken to prevent transparency and accountability and referred to a court judgement last year between Keith Look Loy, the T&T Super League representative to the TTFA Board, and then president of the TTFA David John-Williams in which he (Look Loy) stated that all documentation should be made available to directors in order for them to make informed decisions and perform his/her duties to the best of their ability.
Sancho also took a swipe at the football president, saying information given to the public in a recent Guardian report that documents from the Caribbean Chemicals contract were presented to the Board, was untrue.
Fenwick storms out meeting
Meanwhile, Wallace was forced to hold talks with both Fenwick and members of the technical committee after a heated meeting, led to the former (Fenwick) storming out.
The local football boss told Guardian Media Sports: "From all reports I got, from direct and from what I read, was that the meeting got heated. In all Boardroom sometimes it gets heated, but it is not something we can't deal with. Whatever it is, I spoke to both parties and that will be taken care of."
The committee, which is being led by Technical Chairman Yale Antoine, in an immediate response, called on the coach to apologise for his behaviour via a formal apology, as well as acknowledge that the contents of the meeting are of a confidential nature that ought not to be shared with the public or any other unauthorised persons.
The committee also called on Fenwick to submit a formal document, detailing a developmental plan, including all affairs of the Senior Men's National team relating to Project 2026 by March 16: Submit a proposal for the Senior Team for the period beyond April 2020 that would include expected training schedule and international friendlies: Inform him that a meeting of all the T&T Pro League team owners or officers, has been scheduled to discuss training for an all-local team.
Antoine also called on Fenwick to supply an updated roster of players for the Canada friendly match, noting that not all the players on the current list can participate.
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ffs, all-ready ?
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Keith Look Loy and Terry Fenwick both have valid points/reason.
Fenwick wants him alone to contact foreign players because he is the head coach but Look Loy decided to contact a couple (Moore & Deleon) because he knows their father very well and did so without letting Fenwick know. But his intentions were good.
Richard Piper apparently is dragging his feet as far as passport goes.
Noah Powder should have a passport because he played for T&T at youth level, unless it expired.
Hope they patch things up and get along with business because they started off very good.
Let everyone do their jobs they were hired for and if for some reason they need help, then of course you seek it from the other members.
They have to work as a team and respect each other position.
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Thanks Flex. Not as serious as I thought. Best to get duties clear sooner rather than later. However, Fenwick sometimes volatile responses scare me.
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What else is new with these people. Ive often said it and Ill say it again, trinidad is a commess bachanal disruptive country where their brains are too big for their own good. and just look at the egos on this board, Brent sancho? Keith lok loy? and terry fenwick whos a total hot head in the mix? in all honesty im not very optimistic that this arrangement would last past three games in succession.
dont know why WW got this asshole brent sancho involved on his team for, that bloke is poison times ten and is always embroiled in some unnecessary conflicts that helps no one. I dunno how to feel about this ATM. its too frickin early for this shite. fingers crossed.
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Intentions may be good, but 'I know they father,' probably is a departure from standards and legitimate gripe.
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Keith Look Loy and Terry Fenwick both have valid points/reason.
Fenwick wants him alone to contact foreign players because he is the head coach but Look Loy decided to contact a couple (Moore & Deleon) because he knows their father very well and did so without letting Fenwick know. But his intentions were good.
Richard Piper apparently is dragging his feet as far as passport goes.
Noah Powder should have a passport because he played for T&T at youth level, unless it expired.
Hope they patch things up and get along with business because they started off very good.
Let everyone do their jobs they were hired for and if for some reason they need help, then of course you seek it from the other members.
They have to work as a team and respect each other position.
Piper sounds like he lapsing which would upset any coach but there needs to be a streamlined approach, why is multiple people speaking to the players? Yes I understand its their father, but a simple, are they playing by look Loy and then he could say, well Fenwick and the player liaison etc will handle it, has to be a more professional approach than what Im hearing... too many egos and not being humble ...
In TT there are too many know it alls who do nothing and chiefs and not enough Indians... the players liaison needs to be a workhorse not a bureaucrat ...
Passports should never be an issue, the govt should expedite this, its the national team..
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Sounds like there is no clearly defined roles and responsibilities. I know dey father is not a business reason except in Trinidad.
The TTFA seems to be moving too quick in an attempt to show action. Action is good but structure is also important. You cannot hold people accountable if you don't have clearly defined roles (job description), followed by performance objectives and finally measuring results to evaluate performance.
I could see Fenwick being upset if it was his role to contact players but I will be highly surprised if there are clear guidelines on who does what. So what you have is people with a big egos and others trying to help running around doing what they want. This leads to confusion, lack of trust, and a host of other issues which ultimately produce poor results. Imagine the impressions of these players. A simple task of contacting them the TTFA cant get right and they must commit to play for us?
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Keith Look Loy and Terry Fenwick both have valid points/reason.
Fenwick wants him alone to contact foreign players because he is the head coach but Look Loy decided to contact a couple (Moore & Deleon) because he knows their father very well and did so without letting Fenwick know. But his intentions were good.
Richard Piper apparently is dragging his feet as far as passport goes.
Noah Powder should have a passport because he played for T&T at youth level, unless it expired.
Hope they patch things up and get along with business because they started off very good.
Let everyone do their jobs they were hired for and if for some reason they need help, then of course you seek it from the other members.
They have to work as a team and respect each other position.
Give Jack he jacket, we didn't have these passport issues under Jack Warner.
Piper need to f00cking rideout.
La Foucade look like a trouble maker.
Brent Sancho eh learn nothing from he minister of sports firing, you give this asshole a position and he eh know how to act.
In T&T is ah fight dong boy.
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Keith Look Loy and Terry Fenwick both have valid points/reason.
Fenwick wants him alone to contact foreign players because he is the head coach but Look Loy decided to contact a couple (Moore & Deleon) because he knows their father very well and did so without letting Fenwick know. But his intentions were good.
Richard Piper apparently is dragging his feet as far as passport goes.
Noah Powder should have a passport because he played for T&T at youth level, unless it expired.
Hope they patch things up and get along with business because they started off very good.
Let everyone do their jobs they were hired for and if for some reason they need help, then of course you seek it from the other members.
They have to work as a team and respect each other position.
Agreed
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Keith Look Loy and Terry Fenwick both have valid points/reason.
Fenwick wants him alone to contact foreign players because he is the head coach but Look Loy decided to contact a couple (Moore & Deleon) because he knows their father very well and did so without letting Fenwick know. But his intentions were good.
Richard Piper apparently is dragging his feet as far as passport goes.
Noah Powder should have a passport because he played for T&T at youth level, unless it expired.
Hope they patch things up and get along with business because they started off very good.
Let everyone do their jobs they were hired for and if for some reason they need help, then of course you seek it from the other members.
They have to work as a team and respect each other position.
Roles should be identified but I think we should work with our strengths and senior members of the committee should be in a position to encourage foreign internationals players to pursue a passport if they have a connection with them or their family.
It's a matter of making them eligible for selection and widening our player pool. Then it's up to the coaching staff to select who they want based on game(s) and player performance. All players should know that they're not guaranteed selection just because they possess a T&T passport.
I do think everything should be transparent and it don't have to be the coaches job to solely contact foreign internationals.
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Keith Look Loy and Terry Fenwick both have valid points/reason.
Fenwick wants him alone to contact foreign players because he is the head coach but Look Loy decided to contact a couple (Moore & Deleon) because he knows their father very well and did so without letting Fenwick know. But his intentions were good.
Richard Piper apparently is dragging his feet as far as passport goes.
Noah Powder should have a passport because he played for T&T at youth level, unless it expired.
Hope they patch things up and get along with business because they started off very good.
Let everyone do their jobs they were hired for and if for some reason they need help, then of course you seek it from the other members.
They have to work as a team and respect each other position.
Roles should be identified but I think we should work with our strengths and senior members of the committee should be in a position to encourage foreign internationals players to pursue a passport if they have a connection with them or their family.
It's a matter of making them eligible for selection and widening our player pool. Then it's up to the coaching staff to select who they want based on game(s) and player performance. All players should know that they're not guaranteed selection just because they possess a T&T passport.
I do think everything should be transparent and it don't have to be the coaches job to solely contact foreign internationals.
I kinda agree, otherwise we don't need scouts and contacts. Yet it must be clearly defined. Didn't Lawrence speak to Birchall ?
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Fenwick utilises e-scouting during corona downtime.
By Jonathan Ramnanansingh (Newsday).
NATIONAL MENS football team coach, Terry Fenwick, has issued an open call to local and internationally-based footballers with T&T parentage to submit video presentations of their skills and/or academic certifications in an effort scout new talent during the sports unavoidable downtime the global covid19 pandemic.
In a short video via the TT Football Association (TTFA) YouTube page, Fenwick urged players/administrators through all age groups and divisions of the sport to contact him via WhatsApp or email.
Upon receipt of the information, the English-born coach, alongside his small team of experienced assistants, will view and evaluate these submissions and then make contact with the applicant to provide feedback.
According to the former San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC coach, with the majority of countries enforcing social distancing and implementing stay-at-home measures, players can use their time to creatively showcase their varying talents for the greater betterment and holistic development of T&T football.
Listen you guys out there, from around the world (and) not just the twin-island of T&T, you guys with parentage outside there (globally) that are good enough, got the skill-sets, the mentality, toughness, discipline to contribute to T&T national football teams, now is the time to step up, he said.
Whatever youve got; cv, videos, send them to me. WhatsApp, email (messages); shoot them to me so my coaches and I can have a look and well come back to you. Its a great opportunity, despite the terrible virus. Lets make the most of it. Good luck, Fenwick added.
The ex-Tottenham Hotspur and Queens Park Rangers defender also revealed he would be regularly recording and publishing videos on different training techniques and other drills which potential footballers should be practising at home during the downtime.
At Fenwicks first public address as national mens coach on January 7, he insisted T&T would be able bounce back from its drop in competitive form if great emphasis is placed on well-structured youth development programmes and creating newer avenues for unearthing fresh talents.
He believes there is no limitation in the search to bring rejuvenated faces to the national forefront and admitted that T&T needed to use this time to enhance its talent pool post-coronavirus, in preparation for the new football season.
Now is the time to start getting yourself fit and practice your skill sets. Over the next weeks, youll be seeing me punching skill sets out here, things that you should be practising at home. Alongside that, Ozzy Birchall, my trainer will also give you fitness and technique with different exercises to do at home. Do your stuff, keep yourself fit, keep yourself out of trouble, do what you can for you and your family, stay away from other people, lets get ready for football coming back, Fenwick concluded.
WATCH: Soca Warriors head coach Terry Fenwick delivers a COVID-19 isolation message and a call for T&T eligible players to reach out to him and make themselves available (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_H-7kTAMjM&feature=emb_title).
https://www.youtube.com/v/0_H-7kTAMjM
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Fenwick: TTFA/FIFA fiasco affecting young players
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday)
NATIONAL mens football team coach Terry Fenwick said there is too much negativity currently surrounding local football and not enough attention is being paid to the footballers.
The former TTFA executive, led by William Wallace, is currently fighting FIFA on its decision to take over the running of TT football on March 17.
FIFA appointed a normalisation committee, led by local businessman Robert Hadad, to run local football for a maximum period of 24 months.
The main responsibility of the normalisation committee is to reduce the debt facing the TTFA, which is said to be $50 million.
The former TTFA executive is appealing FIFAs decision by taking the matter to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
Speaking to the media at the opening of the refurbished Police Barracks football ground on Friday, Fenwick said during the covid19 pandemic he is continuing to scout new talent.
The national coach however, said all the off-field issues can be distracting.
What hasnt helped (during the covid19) is all the negative press that we have seen and that is all the politics that has been played out with the TTFA and the normalisation committee now. It is not good for football. We are ignoring the youngsters on the ground that want to play football, we are devastating what their love is and we have to get back to that.
Fenwick continued, FIFA is our governing body, weve got to listen to them (and) that is where we get our funding from and, with all due respect, we are technical. We are about bringing positives to the table, coaching players, girls and boys, bring them from their communities into a national area where they could be proud of what they are achieving and proud for their families and communities. All of this negativity we are reading at the moment and seeing in the media generally is not good for the game, it is not good for the youngsters of TT. Weve got to turn that around quick.
Fenwick is concerned that if the former TTFA executive wins the case against FIFA, the world governing body will stop funding local football.
Asked if he supports Hadad, Fenwick said, I have come in under William Wallace, who is a nice man, a good man but FIFA has made a decision, nobody else. FIFA has brought Robert Hadad in and I am sticking by that because that is what we have been asked to do.
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Coach- look stay out of the politics- focus on motivating and coaching players. Players will follow the directives and mandate of the coach not the politics of TTFA and FIFA
As a player you striving and training with a mental mindset to be the best - you can't focus on crap that is out of your control.
Coach doh star making e causes for failure when yuh eh coach one game yet,
You should be scouting communicating and advising potential talent on honing their skills and training for when the time comes to play
Yuh fak with all the bs and it's time ah coach just focus on the beautiful game we could have here in T&T
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Fenwick is out of his lane. His private opinion ought not be inserted into this matter. That's the essence of recognizing one's role as a coach in a NT set-up: stick to technical matters barring a narrow range of exceptions (none of which are present here). His comments can only be construed as being part of the chorus of the 'Wallace drop it' pressure group and that isn't proper form in Fenwick's role as MNT coach. There's a process that's recognized by FIFA as a process. The TTFA executive have submitted to that process. Let the process redress itself.
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The irony of this, is that the same TTFA team picked him to coach to the team.
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Fenwick is out of his lane. His private opinion ought not be inserted into this matter. That's the essence of recognizing one's role as a coach in a NT set-up: stick to technical matters barring a narrow range of exceptions (none of which are present here). His comments can only be construed as being part of the chorus of the 'Wallace drop it' pressure group and that isn't proper form in Fenwick's role as MNT coach. There's a process that's recognized by FIFA as a process. The TTFA executive have submitted to that process. Let the process redress itself.
You must admit, This highway never had regular lane markers anyway and 2. Fenwick was never one to stick to nobody lane, why there was always 'hmmm' in selecting him in the past. Besides the fact that this Viral situation have everybody and he brother (&sister ), even dey mother - well mine anyway) on edge. Imagine yuh finally get the job yuh wanted for over 25 years, yuh doh have much time left, and not just the usual Trini bs, but full world thing preventing yuh from doing it.... Frigged up Encounters of the 19th kind.
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You must admit, This highway never had regular lane markers anyway and 2. Fenwick was never one to stick to nobody lane, why there was always 'hmmm' in selecting him in the past. Besides the fact that this Viral situation have everybody and he brother (&sister ), even dey mother - well mine anyway) on edge. Imagine yuh finally get the job yuh wanted for over 25 years, yuh doh have much time left, and not just the usual Trini bs, but full world thing preventing yuh from doing it.... Frigged up Encounters of the 19th kind.
Those are fair points and I empathise with him, particularly since he should have had the job ahead of the last head coach, but the job is the job. Curbing his enthusiasm will have to accompany waiting for the COVID curve to flatten.
I was thrilled he got de wuk and I'm one of those persons who has been eagerly awaiting a Fenwick-King prepared NT taking to the field. My eagerness for that still stands.
Making those comments hasn't accelerated the outcome or improved the state of football, but it has gone some distance to stirring a pot he didn't need to stir.
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Fenwick sets eyes players with T&T roots
T&T Newsday
NATIONAL mens senior football coach Terry Fenwick, in an attempt to increase this countrys pool of players, has been spending the covid19 downtime to scout players with T&T roots. He currently has 23 players on his radar that are eligible to represent T&T.
Fenwick has help from several former T&T footballers in the scouting process including Jason Scotland, Andre Boucaud and Chris Birchall.
Birchall and Boucaud can relate to the process that they are now supporting Fenwick with.
Birchall, who was born in England, was eligible to play for T&T because his mother was born in T&T. Birchall made 43 appearances for T&T between 2005 and 2013.
English-born Boucaud, who has 47 caps for T&T since making his debut in 2004, has T&T parents.
On the support he has been getting in the recruitment process, Fenwick said, It has been overwhelming. I have had people from all around the world (helping me), my pores are raising as I am saying that. I have had people call me, e-mail me (and) they have got on all sorts of social media to get through to me and they are sending me names of players that weve absolutely chased and followed up.
Fenwick was speaking to the media at the reopening of the Police Barracks football field, on Friday.
Fenwick, who was hired in December 2019, would like to be in training with his players but is using the downtime wisely.
It has been a bit of a contradiction really because clearly its a nightmare for me as a coach when I want to be on the training field and getting my style of play in with players that weve got right here in T&T. On the flip side of that the coronavirus has given us more time because of all of the cancellations of games and tournaments.
He said he has been able to discover more than 20 players with T&T roots.
I have been able to get my fielders out there overseas to see what quality players have T&T parentage and we have actually come up with a list of 23 players that are knock-out. They are playing in good standards of football around the world so that has been a big plus.
Fenwick said some of those players have represented other countries at youth level but are interested in playing for T&T now.
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Fenwick: If Fifa withdraws funding, we crash! Local football in lose lose scenario
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).
Trinidad and Tobago Mens National Senior Team coach Terry Fenwick has become the first technical staff member to share his thoughts on the power struggle at the helm of the local football association.
And the former England World Cup defender believes that the Trinidad and Tobago Football Associations technical programmes are in a lose lose situation as president William Wallace battles Fifa for control of the local body.
On 17 March, the Bureau of the Fifa Council, which is led by Fifa president Gianni Infantino, decided to implement a normalisation committee in the twin island republic and simultaneously strip Wallace of his authorityjust four months after he was elected TTFA president.
At present, Wallace is challenging the Fifa decision at the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Lausanne, Switzerland.
Fenwick was the first appointment of the Wallace-led administration, as he replaced Dennis Lawrence at the helm last December. And the former Portsmouth, San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC coach said Fifa has not given the current administration enough of a chance to show what it can do.
However, the Englishman suggested that he struggles to see a bright side in Wallaces fight.
I hear William Wallace [and] I am disappointed for him, because of how quick it was [that Fifa moved to get rid of him], Fenwick told Wired868, but I am looking at the ability of Trinidad and Tobagos board of directors to raise funding for anythingI just cant see it. Where does it go from here?
If Fifa withdraws the funding, we crash anyway; and my first thought is not the politicians but the young kids who are striving to become national footballers.
My concern is without Fifa funding there could be so many kids thrown under the bus. I cant agree with that.
Fenwick stopped short of saying, directly, whether he felt Wallace should withdraw his case.
It is his decision to stop or continue the case, said Fenwick. Have they got the money to go to CAS? I dont know. It will run its course.
My side of the story is technical, to make the national team better again.
Fenwicks viewpoint, which he hinted at earlier to the Trinidad Newsday, brought a furious response from technical director chairman Keith Look Loy, who said the coach had no business talking about anything beyond his team.
He is an employee of the TTFA and should not be commenting on executive matters as a general rule of ethics, said Look Loy. He is forbidden by the coachs code of conduct and the media policyboth of which were aired, discussed and agreed at the two technical committee meetings that I chaired with national and regional coachesfrom making public comments on general TTFA matters.
He was present at both meetings.
Fenwick is among roughly three dozen technical staff members who have not been paid since Wallace was elected president, due to Fifas decision to withhold funds from the TTFA.
At present, Fifa owes the TTFA US$2.5 million (TT$17 million), which represents their total annual entitlement under the Fifa Forward Programme. But Infantino and secretary general Fatma Samoura are stalling on making the payment, so as to ensure that it goes to normalisation committee chairman Robert Hadad and not Wallace.
Fenwick is yet to hold his first training session as Pro League clubs were playing as many as three games per week between January and March while Covid-19 restrictions have made full-time workouts illegal since then.
However, Fenwick said he has been busy tracking down and building relationships with potential players while, last month, he started holding online training sessions with local players including Defence Force defender Curtis Boyo Gonzales, Point Fortin Civic playmaker Tyrel Pappy Emmanuel and AC Port of Spain attacking midfielder John-Paul Rochford.
First and foremost, Ive been chasing players down from around the world and keeping that communication up, said Fenwick. Even today I was on the phone with [Sheldon] Bateau, [Khaleem] Hyland, [Kevin] Molino, Nick De Leon, Levi Garcia and Ryan Inniss. Im trying to keep regular relations with my players before they even hit the ground in Trinidadsome of whom were born abroad and were treated badly when they were last involved with the team.
[] Yesterday, I had the [local-based] guys doing their fitness session, which has been consistent for the last two to three weeks. They had their phones or laptops facing where they were doing the actions. Some of them have had chickens and everything going on in their back yards; and we have had a joke about it!
Fenwick is waiting on clearance from the Ministry of Health to start full training sessions.
However, Look Loy made it clear that he did not appreciate Fenwicks sentiments and will not forget them anytime soon.
The court case is still to be settled [and] Wallace might win, said the TTFA technical director. How he became [senior mens national team] coach [was because] I, Wallace and the elected officers fought for him to be appointed. We believed he was the best candidateall factors, including finance considered.
[Pro League chairman Brent] Sancho and others he is hobnobbing with now were against his appointment.
Time longer than twine. He living here long enough to know that saying.
Fenwick declined comment on Look Loys statements. However, Wired868 understands that the Englishman is currently pursuing legal action against Sancho due to a breach of contract while he was head coach at Central FC.
Up to the time of publication, Wallace could not be reached for comment.
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terry mate please hold your cards close to your chest instead of talking so much as usual, please stay clear of the media and hold your tongue and let the politicking to the politicians.
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WATCH: An investigation into Terry Fenwick's football contract with the TTFA
https://www.youtube.com/v/cdBnw_sbxog
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never ending never ending comess and confusion
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never ending never ending comess and confusion
Nah..Not possible dey couldn't fk up easy so. The whole breakdown and even the proposal is crazy, especially for an untested Ntl team coach. Same as Hart ? Hart had at least many years of Regional Ntl team experience. Then there are all the different level coaches to pay as well, and office staff, and players, in addition to some assholery rumour bout building complex in Arima( feel some deviant make up that too), and yuh broke and 50 Million in debt ? Nah Sports Max making up thing. DJW and his cohorts :rotfl: and supplying bad info to he bud at SportsMax.
Wallace will straighten dem out. How Lasana get out scooped with this ? Lawd. nah.
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Ah whole lot of people wanted Fenwick for the job. Now he got the job, they find the cost too expensive. The man coaching in TT for 20 odd years and they saying that don't count? At the mean time, this new episode should be a wake up call for Terry. He dealing the snakes in the NC. Pure cobras and vipers.
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Ah whole lot of people wanted Fenwick for the job. Now he got the job, they find the cost too expensive. The man coaching in TT for 20 odd years and they saying that don't count? At the mean time, this new episode should be a wake up call for Terry. He dealing the snakes in the NC. Pure cobras and vipers.
The level of monetization of the Pro League does not support any argument based exclusively on PL experience. In any event, reasonableness ought to permeate contractual terms.
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Deeks. They had a right to tell Fenwick, Later, with them salary demands.
There was no money in hand for now and given the debt, for the future. They negotiate a regular, above regular salary, considering National experience, and yuh dont have a pot to piss in. So how everyone else would be paid, with mangoes. And yuh dun promise Hart and Walkes, Latapy ( maybe even Jack too ) . So we woulda have to hire Randy to beg for we again ? Wallace doh realize BLM is for ourselves to respect too, not just for different races. I lost confidence right dey. Taking responsibility and blame might show yuh is a man, maybe even a good one, but doh mean yuh didnt do shit. And given all that we have been through as far as football is concerned, it aint no end of the world. We have all kinda other issues for that, but yuh go choke yuhself and dont even know.. to quote a fellow poster Common man
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This is a CLASS A f*ck up. And if it isn't exclusively an A-class muck up, it hadda be an A-class set-up considering Ramdhan's ubiquitous role and Fenwick's ambition.
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Nah- dis eh normal- how d fac yuh hire a head coach without any national head coaching experience dat kinda money?
I would like to see what the average head coaching salary looks like? 17 k US $$$$
That is fracking bankruptcy- what were the other coaches making?
What incentive is there for a head coach when the salary is already laden and on par with some CEOs?
What does a coach have to prove when he is already making top change? How is this salRy compared to DL?
How much was Beenieman's initial contract? TF wanted this job so bad that surely the TTFA had nuff leverage to negotiate a more incremental laden contract based on incremental improvements by the team?
If they indeed sanctioned this contract, then some heads need normalization.
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Wallace doh realize BLM is for ourselves to respect too, not just for different races. I lost confidence right dey. Taking responsibility and blame might show yuh is a man, maybe
What BLM has to do with this?
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You know if Wallace and company had bye pass Fenwick, you would have heard all kind of talk that TTFA bias against the man because he is of a different skin color, etc, etc. Terry is a Trini, not by birth. He has lived and coached here for a while. Where else he going to get a national team coaching job? He has waited his turn, and he finally got it. Look at all the coaches who got the chances to coach TT since 2006. Saint fait and Otto Pfister came out of the blue and they both stunk. We had Reiberger, Maturana, Latas, Fevrier,, Hart, Lawrence. Why not TF? Because he white? All think TTFA getting a big name coach for anything less. Tell me who allyuh would have chosen to coach the team?
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Wallace doh realize BLM is for ourselves to respect too, not just for different races. I lost confidence right dey. Taking responsibility and blame might show yuh is a man, maybe
What BLM has to do with this?
BLM has to do with everything. It not just about equality and lack of respectful treatment, and being alive. It's also about how we live. We cannot and should not be taken advantage of by Local or Foreign bodies. Our young ppl, especially Black people (this includes both Afro and Indo Trini) should not only be just dependent on a food but they should be taught proper management,integrity, unity and of course comportment and behaviour. Someone don't put a paper in front of you and you sign. Someone don't give you moneys and you sell out your brother. Someone don't say take, hold this bauble and forget your neighbour and you hold. We need leaders to take hold and teach the next, how to keep our soul.
Is Bachanal after bachanal the only things we can pass down. Black Lives and the way we live now and in the future must matter to us too. Our leaders today must recognize they have a responsibility to and for our leaders and followers of tomorrow. Mistakes like that, if true, have in the past and will always cost us dearly one way or another in the future. Who will be the next president and how will all this be resolved. It;'s not impossible but sets up a greater chance of failure, and regression back to some extrinsic dependent body (Massa).
Just a thought. Hope You see my point.
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You know if Wallace and company had bye pass Fenwick, you would have heard all kind of talk that TTFA bias against the man because he is of a different skin color, etc, etc. Terry is a Trini, not by birth. He has lived and coached here for a while. Where else he going to get a national team coaching job? He has waited his turn, and he finally got it. Look at all the coaches who got the chances to coach TT since 2006. Saint fait and Otto Pfister came out of the blue and they both stunk. We had Reiberger, Maturana, Latas, Fevrier,, Hart, Lawrence. Why not TF? Because he white? All think TTFA getting a big name coach for anything less. Tell me who allyuh would have chosen to coach the team?
Deeks. If Fenwick didn't take the JOB because they had NO MONEY to pay Fenwick. They won't have by passed him. They had NO MONEY to pay NOBODY. The bank account was seized, they inherited a debt of ~50 Million dollars. Even if they got the money to pay Fenwick, and very nice staff, they wouldn't have a penny to run a fete-match. Sponsorship might have just managed to pay the staff. 2 Mill US from Fifa wouldn't cut it. They needed volunteers, at least temporarily. Fenwick could have volunteer knowing the situation, he would be in, but he actually raised the price(or somebody did). He actually requested top dollar. Knowing our present situation, where Top Dollar was coming from ? They couldn't barely raise ah week salary to fight for what is right. Fenwick spend 20 years, 1 or 2 strain wouldn't have made a diffrence. But I'm not surprised that he asked, but how the fack they could say yes. They trying to make more court case ? And on top of that, yuh don't even verify the contract yuh signing. Because is Fennos ? If was Angus now ? Woulda be same everything ?
add: https://wired868.com/2020/06/10/wallace-we-are-trying-to-rectify-error-ttfa-president-tries-to-explain-secret-fenwick-contract/
https://wired868.com/2020/06/08/fenwick-restarts-national-training-with-griffiths-blessing-but-look-loy-and-ferguson-slam-exercise/
No wonder Latapy and Hart made the moves they did, requesting their debts be cleared immediately.
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What was DL contract? How much was he paid?
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What was DL contract? How much was he paid?
FIFA was paying his salary. DJW and infantino had that arrangement. Contro was correct on that point when he said that DJW was in FiFA(Infantino) pocket. The part about DL selling out the games is farfetched.
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Wallace doh realize BLM is for ourselves to respect too, not just for different races. I lost confidence right dey. Taking responsibility and blame might show yuh is a man, maybe
What BLM has to do with this?
BLM has to do with everything. It not just about equality and lack of respectful treatment, and being alive. It's also about how we live. We cannot and should not be taken advantage of by Local or Foreign bodies. Our young ppl, especially Black people (this includes both Afro and Indo Trini) should not only be just dependent on a food but they should be taught proper management,integrity, unity and of course comportment and behaviour. Someone don't put a paper in front of you and you sign. Someone don't give you moneys and you sell out your brother. Someone don't say take, hold this bauble and forget your neighbour and you hold. We need leaders to take hold and teach the next, how to keep our soul.
Is Bachanal after bachanal the only things we can pass down. Black Lives and the way we live now and in the future must matter to us too. Our leaders today must recognize they have a responsibility to and for our leaders and followers of tomorrow. Mistakes like that, if true, have in the past and will always cost us dearly one way or another in the future. Who will be the next president and how will all this be resolved. It;'s not impossible but sets up a greater chance of failure, and regression back to some extrinsic dependent body (Massa).
Just a thought. Hope You see my point.
maxg, your point is well taken. I agree. But I don't think BLM has anything to do with this issue on hand. When people start adding all these greviances to BLM, it waters down the serious issues at hand.With football, we doh dead if Fifa appoints a NC. With the US police and Black men, the score is always Black Man zero, police 1.
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Storm over national team session...Held despite lockdown; Fenwick includes own coaches
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express)
Given permission by the Police Commissioner, Englishman Terry Fenwick held his first session as national senior team coach on Monday, apparently in breach of a Government ordinance for the gradual opening up of the economy since the nationwide lockdown following the coronavirus outbreak.
A week ago, Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley outlined the conditions under which certain sections of the population can resume activity following the lockdown.
We are looking at the opening up of our beaches, rivers and sporting activities on June 21, provided that everything is all right, Dr Rowley had said.
If things are opened at that time, you will be required not to congregate, Rowley added, because it is the congregation that poses the threat, because it provides the breach from one person to another.
However, on Monday, June 8, Fenwick invited 40 players, including Police Commissioner Gary Griffiths son, to the newly-refurbished Police ground at the St James Barracks. Griffith approved the session and also gave permission for the group to use the Police Barracks ground in St James. Griffiths gesture came in for both praise and condemnation among the football fraternity, with most preferring to debate the hot topic anonymously.
It breaking the law, stated one of the persons who were present on Monday, but who himself could not refuse the opportunity to be there.
A question was also asked whether Fenwick could have done same thing in England, where he was born.
This is not England, you know. This is Trinidad and Tobago, another stated.
Though conducted in small groups, the session provided a confusing scenario, with Fenwick using a combination of coaches from his own school that have no national team affiliation, alongside official national team coaches.
Another anonymous source commended Griffith for his involvement in sport and allowing the session on the newly-refurbished Police ground, when all other venues are still under Government lockdown and closed.
If the boss (Griffith) gave them permission and they trained in small groups, well then, I guess it all right, he said.
Richard Ferguson, the recent TTFA presidential candidate and La Horquetta Rangers owner, refused to allow his footballers to attend the session. Likewise, TTFA technical committee chairman Keith Look Loy was openly opposed to Fenwicks session.
Ferguson could not be reached after several attempts to contact him. However, Look Loy provided three reasons why he thought Fenwicks action was wrong.
The first one is that it breaks the Covid regulations. The Government has given us directions for the last three months, whatever it is. All of us, we are supposed to abide by these directions, Look Loy stated.
Look Loy knocked Griffiths involvement as well.
The Police Commissioner is not the Government of Trinidad and Tobago, and if we are under directive from them (Government), we have to abide by it, Look Loy remarked.
Look Loy also questioned the use of unauthorised personnel to conduct a national team session and thirdly, what was Fenwicks rush to get the national team training when there is likely to be no international football until 2021.
The second concern that I have was that there was a number of persons functioning in the role of team staff, that have not been appointed, havent even been vetted by the TTFA. Some of the names that came back to me, I dont even know. That is entirely improper, Look Loy declared.
The fact of the matter is that a national team staff was appointed with many, many coaches properly appointed with terms and conditions. If the senior mens national team is training and the senior mens coach needs assistance, he should go to them and not be bringing in all kind of people to coach, and as I understand it, to perform managerial functions as well. I have a serious issue with that, Look Loy declared.
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What was DL contract? How much was he paid?
FIFA was paying his salary. DJW and infantino had that arrangement. Contro was correct on that point when he said that DJW was in FiFA(Infantino) pocket. The part about DL selling out the games is farfetched.
Got it. How much was FIFA paying him though? It seemed like top secret. Was it an average wage compared to other national team coaches? $10 per hour? $100,000 for 3 months? What did DL make so we can compare it to Fenwick's?
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Storm over national team session...Held despite lockdown; Fenwick includes own coaches
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express)
However, on Monday, June 8, Fenwick invited 40 players, including Police Commissioner Gary Griffiths son, to the newly-refurbished Police ground at the St James Barracks. Griffith approved the session and also gave permission for the group to use the Police Barracks ground in St James. Griffiths gesture came in for both praise and condemnation among the football fraternity, with most preferring to debate the hot topic anonymously.
I see now eh in last the under 17 tourney he got a first half run in the last game .I guess he impove enough to get invited ...
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Storm over national team session...Held despite lockdown; Fenwick includes own coaches
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express)
However, on Monday, June 8, Fenwick invited 40 players, including Police Commissioner Gary Griffiths son, to the newly-refurbished Police ground at the St James Barracks. Griffith approved the session and also gave permission for the group to use the Police Barracks ground in St James. Griffiths gesture came in for both praise and condemnation among the football fraternity, with most preferring to debate the hot topic anonymously.
I see now eh in last the under 17 tourney he got a first half run in the last game .I guess he impove enough to get invited ...
Lol he's no good. That call was just to be allowed to train n use the facilities
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I saw it coming: Sancho not surprised by head coach salary scandal.
By Jelani Beckles (Newsday).
FORMER board member of the TT Football Association (TTFA) Brent Sancho, said the situation concerning the salary of national senior mens football coach Terry Fenwick is unfortunate, as the former TTFA executive is demonstrating a lack of transparency which goes against what their election campaign stood for.
According to local football website wired868.com, Fenwick was hired in December 2019 to replace Dennis Lawrence as head coach after the board voted 8-1 with the understanding that he would be paid US $17,500 per month with other bonuses. In the incentive package, Fenwick would start earning US $20,000 a month if the team qualified for the 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup. However, ousted TTFA president William Wallace, general secretary Ramesh Ramdhan and Fenwick signed an agreement that meant the national coach would receive a starting salary of US $20,000 per month and it would increase to US $25,000 if the team qualified for the Gold Cup.
The additional US $2,500 per month came through sponsorship (not revealed) as Fenwick was not satisfied with his contract according to wired868. The US $2,500 extra was included on the main contract instead of a separate contract.
Wallace and his executive led the TTFA from November 2019 to March 2020, but were removed by Fifa and a normalisation committee was appointed. The main job of the normalisation committee is to get rid of the huge debt facing the local football body. Sancho, asked if this justifies the normalisation committee stepping in to run local football, told Newsday, I guess that is a question for Fifa. Remember Fifa hasnt said anything in detail on the reasoning (for taking over).
The former national defender said he asked Wallace and his team to be more transparent, but they operated how the past administration did. From where I sit as a former board member I had raised my concerns, I sent several e-mails regarding transparency. So from where I sit I am not surprised because I saw it coming. It is unfortunate, very unfortunate particularly this group would have come in on the platform of transparency, inclusiveness and accountability, but I did not find any of that from where I sit....that is something that they chastised rightfully the last regime for.
TTFA member Keith Look Loy described the mix up concerning Fenwicks salary as disappointing.
Whatever arrangements sponsors arrived at is not TTFA business...my interest is only what was agreed by the board and what TTFA is responsible for and that is what I will stand by. I only found out about additional side deals today (Wednesday). The rest of us knew nothing about that and therefore that should not have been included in any contract for services to be provided by the TTFA. Had I heard about it I would not have agreed to that, I would have opposed that, that has nothing to do with TTFA. That is somebody side deal.
Look Loy was a part of the Wallace-led election campaign which made it more disappointing for him. He said the situation comes across as if they are not keeping their word. It does not look good, it makes it look like if people who have been talking about transparency and accountability just talking. I am not happy with it, I am not happy with that at all.
Asked if this will affect the ousted TTFAs chances in their fight against Fifa to appoint a normalisation committee, Look Loy said, Who knows, I will be frank this is not good.
Head of the FIFA-appointed normalisation committee Robert Hadad declined comment on the issue and calls to both William Wallace and Terry Fenwick were unanswered.
Videos -
Zone Investigates: Terry Fenwick's football contract with TTFA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdBnw_sbxog&feature=emb_title)
Zone Investigates: William Wallace responds to questions on Fenwick's TTFA contract irregularities
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBetZkVKqNw&feature=emb_title)
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When it comes to football we must have the most unfortunate and surprised ppl on the planet. Everybody always finding something that turns out to be unfortunate and surprising. The damn thing is, correctly so. Ppl who supposed to be in the know always seem to be left out, and the media gets it before them and then we spend a couple weeks dealing with that controversy, until the next surprising, unfortunate revelation. smh
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What was DL contract? How much was he paid?
FIFA was paying his salary. DJW and infantino had that arrangement. Contro was correct on that point when he said that DJW was in FiFA(Infantino) pocket. The part about DL selling out the games is farfetched.
Got it. How much was FIFA paying him though? It seemed like top secret. Was it an average wage compared to other national team coaches? $10 per hour? $100,000 for 3 months? What did DL make so we can compare it to Fenwick's?
soccerman, that is the million dollar question. We don't know. Unless one of the forumites know the answer to that.
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Wallace doh realize BLM is for ourselves to respect too, not just for different races. I lost confidence right dey. Taking responsibility and blame might show yuh is a man, maybe
What BLM has to do with this?
BLM has to do with everything. It not just about equality and lack of respectful treatment, and being alive. It's also about how we live. We cannot and should not be taken advantage of by Local or Foreign bodies. Our young ppl, especially Black people (this includes both Afro and Indo Trini) should not only be just dependent on a food but they should be taught proper management,integrity, unity and of course comportment and behaviour. Someone don't put a paper in front of you and you sign. Someone don't give you moneys and you sell out your brother. Someone don't say take, hold this bauble and forget your neighbour and you hold. We need leaders to take hold and teach the next, how to keep our soul.
Is Bachanal after bachanal the only things we can pass down. Black Lives and the way we live now and in the future must matter to us too. Our leaders today must recognize they have a responsibility to and for our leaders and followers of tomorrow. Mistakes like that, if true, have in the past and will always cost us dearly one way or another in the future. Who will be the next president and how will all this be resolved. It;'s not impossible but sets up a greater chance of failure, and regression back to some extrinsic dependent body (Massa).
Just a thought. Hope You see my point.
maxg, your point is well taken. I agree. But I don't think BLM has anything to do with this issue on hand. When people start adding all these greviances to BLM, it waters down the serious issues at hand.With football, we doh dead if Fifa appoints a NC. With the US police and Black men, the score is always Black Man zero, police 1.
https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/
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We have messed about for over 10 years with a load of nobodies who couldn't prove zilch,we now get a man born into football in football crazy North East of England,played for England,and also has some extensive experience,why the fuss now,I am sorry for TT.Just wait see what he can do,he hasn't inherited plain sailing,it's not an easy job to reshape TT football.Why fuss about the money the man will be earning,it's not mind blowing by standards of a national coach,the people in charge knew what they were doing,Mr.Fenwick didn't write the contract himself,did he.
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We have messed about for over 10 years with a load of nobodies who couldn't prove zilch,we now get a man born into football in football crazy North East of England,played for England,and also has some extensive experience,why the fuss now,I am sorry for TT.Just wait see what he can do,he hasn't inherited plain sailing,it's not an easy job to reshape TT football.Why fuss about the money the man will be earning,it's not mind blowing by standards of a national coach,the people in charge knew what they were doing,Mr.Fenwick didn't write the contract himself,did he.
Frico, we does butt heads on lots of issues, but on this I agree. We know Fenwick. We know his past. We know he is passionate, to the point where he can go overboard. He has been in the trenches for a long time, and has had some success with Jabloteh in CCL until Clico went belly up. We knew of his desire to coach TT for years now. The contract appears to be written in a way where there is incentives for every successful stage the team achieves. Getting a good coach is not cheap. We can't get a top name coach for that kind of money. A local coach, frig YES!.
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Yall do see that Terry Fenwick is NOT the problem here, right ?
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What was DL contract? How much was he paid?
FIFA was paying his salary. DJW and infantino had that arrangement. Contro was correct on that point when he said that DJW was in FiFA(Infantino) pocket. The part about DL selling out the games is farfetched.
Got it. How much was FIFA paying him though? It seemed like top secret. Was it an average wage compared to other national team coaches? $10 per hour? $100,000 for 3 months? What did DL make so we can compare it to Fenwick's?
soccerman, that is the million dollar question. We don't know. Unless one of the forumites know the answer to that.
Deeks who told you this??
He was paid from the same subvention that Fenwick is meant to be paid from
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Yall do see that Terry Fenwick is NOT the problem here, right ?
Ent!
At least not yet.
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DL = more $.
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What was DL contract? How much was he paid?
FIFA was paying his salary. DJW and infantino had that arrangement. Contro was correct on that point when he said that DJW was in FiFA(Infantino) pocket. The part about DL selling out the games is farfetched.
Got it. How much was FIFA paying him though? It seemed like top secret. Was it an average wage compared to other national team coaches? $10 per hour? $100,000 for 3 months? What did DL make so we can compare it to Fenwick's?
soccerman, that is the million dollar question. We don't know. Unless one of the forumites know the answer to that.
Deeks who told you this??
He was paid from the same subvention that Fenwick is meant to be paid from
I read where he is being paid by FiFa. It never stipulated the break down of the contract like Fenwick's contract. I can't remember seeing anything about how much he was being paid. Unless somebody on the forum bring up the specifics to correct me.
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Storm over national team session...Held despite lockdown; Fenwick includes own coaches
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express)
However, on Monday, June 8, Fenwick invited 40 players, including Police Commissioner Gary Griffiths son, to the newly-refurbished Police ground at the St James Barracks. Griffith approved the session and also gave permission for the group to use the Police Barracks ground in St James. Griffiths gesture came in for both praise and condemnation among the football fraternity, with most preferring to debate the hot topic anonymously.
I see now eh in last the under 17 tourney he got a first half run in the last game .I guess he impove enough to get invited ...
Lol he's no good. That call was just to be allowed to train n use the facilities
Look, I like Gary. Good to see the barracks is being used. Good use of tax payers money. But this thing with his son, makes it appear like nepotism. If it was the U-23, I eh have a problem with that. There needs to be a men and women U-23 team in training. But the senior national team. Come on man.
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WATCH: William Wallace responds to questions on Terry Fenwick's TTFA contract irregularities
https://www.youtube.com/v/eBetZkVKqNw
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DL = more $.
:o
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DeeksI will keep my fingers crossed for this man who I think is more Trini than me,I hope his attitude has changed and less of the hot head.TF mirrors the attitude of people from the North East,the people come from very deprived parts and maybe TF is one with such a background.They all seem to have a fighting spirit and even sound like they want to fight when they speak.When I was studying in Manchester I heard one of the students talking,I said are you from Newcastle,his reply,"like f**k I'm not i'm from Carlisle",the thing is Carlisle is a stones throw from Newcastle.Manchester people call them "nutters".One question did you agree with TF as our coach.
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DeeksI will keep my fingers crossed for this man who I think is more Trini than me,I hope his attitude has changed and less of the hot head.TW mirrors the attitude of people from the North East,the people come from very deprived parts and maybe TW is one with such a background.They all seem to have a fighting spirit and even sound like they want to fight when they speak.When I was studying in Manchester I heard one of the students talking,I said are you from Newcastle,his reply,"like f**k I'm not i'm from Carlisle",the thing is Carlisle is a stones throw from Newcastle.Manchester people call them "nutters".One question did you agree with TW as our coach.
Breds, YES! I think he has as much right as any Trini to coach the team. He lives in TT. He started from the ground floor. He was in the trenches with Jabloteh. He did a good job. He could have packed up and go back Hengland. He stayed and dealt with TT bakanal. TT has hired a number of coaches since he is here. Some foreign, some local. Some were good, and some were bad. Real bad. I think he should be given the chance. But leh we don't talk too fast because this contract business might screw up everything.
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Fenwick restarts national training with Griffiths blessing; but Look Loy and Ferguson slam exercise.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).
Terry Fenwick started his tenure as Trinidad and Tobago Mens National Senior Team head coach at the Police Barracks in St James today, with his first training session since he was hired last December; and the first for any national team under Covid-19 regulations and following the appointment of normalisation committee chairman Robert Hadad.
If the intention was to turn attention away from the legal wrangling between estranged Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president William Wallace and Fifa and on to the more pleasant aspects of the game, it could hardly be described as an immediate success.
Hadad did not attend to introduce himself to playersalthough his assistant Amiel Mohammed was therewhile the coaches present were a mishmash of TTFA hirings and Fenwicks own Football Factory employees.
Terminix La Horquetta Rangers director Richard Ferguson ensured his own players boycotted the session. And, bizarrely, the media was not allowed to get closer than the streets around the venue.
Elsewhere, Inside World Footballa site that dedicated countless stories to attacking the William Wallace-led administration since last Octobertrained its guns on Fenwick, who it accused of being behind the TTFAs more controversial business over the past six months while noting that the Englishman has somehow managed to stay in post under the normalisation committee.
Fenwick dismissed the allegations, which the website did not attribute to anyone.
It is rubbish, said Fenwick. It is totally untrue and I am considering legal action.
The former England World Cup defender said he could not comment on todays training session due to a media gag by Hadad, who has been near invisible in recent weeks.
Hadad, the co-CEO of HadCo Limited, heads a committee mandated by Fifa to:
Run the TTFAs daily affairs;
Establish a debt repayment plan that is implementable by the TTFA;
Review and amend the TTFA Statutes (and other regulations where necessary) and to Ensure their compliance with the FIFA Statutes and requirements before duly submitting them for approval to the TTFA Congress;
Organise and to conduct elections of a new TTFA executive committee for a four-year mandate.
Whatever Hadad actually gets doneand if he and his fellow committee members, Judy Daniel and Nigel Romano, are being paid by Fifa to do sois presumably known to the world governing body but remains a mystery to much of the island.
Three months after his appointment, the businessman is yet to offer more than a cursory introduction to coaches and office staff while he has still not met the majority of the TTFAs delegates or former board memberswhether virtually or otherwise.
Hadad requested banking details from technical staff members, a few weeks ago, but has not said when anyone will be paid or even promised to honour existing contracts.
In the midst of the uncertainty, Fenwick decided to hold his first session as he selected 40 players to begin training three times a week.
Defence Force utility player Curtis Gonzales and Police FC goalkeeper Adrian Foncette were the most senior players invited while the training squad was packed with teenagersincluding San Juan Jabloteh forward Justin Araujo-Wilson, W Connection midfielder Molik Khan, St Augustine Secondary forward Tyrese Spicer and former National Under-17 attacker Gary Griffith III, who is the son of Commissioner of Police Gary Griffith.
Fifa suggested that, as a result of Covid-19, international football competitions are unlikely to restart until November at the earliest. However, a source close to the team explained that the resumption of national training was meant to activate local players who have not played a game since March and are unsure when the next Pro League season will start.
Fenwick, apparently, is also anxious to get a feel for available talent on the island.
Ferguson, whose La Horquetta-based team employs a string of potential international players like Aikim Andrews, Isaiah Lee, Kadeem Corbin, Kishon Hackshaw, Keron Cummings and Ross Russell Jr, is unconvinced by the exercise and confirmed that he told his players to boycott the sessions.
The prime minister specifically stated that sport activities will not resume until 20 June, so we at Rangers are law abiding citizens, Ferguson told Wired868. I dont want to subject any of my players to the coronavirus, or to have them breaking the law.
The other issue is I did respond to the head coach of the national team and told him Rangers believe there is going to be a league in the last week of July and we will like to have our players to train and practice for that league.
Griffith, a former top flight hockey player, insisted that Fenwick was cleared to train the team and urged stakeholders to support him.
Everything that they were doing was permissible within the public health ordinance, said Griffith, who criticised the non-appearance of Rangers players. Maybe it is my training that you always support the person in authority for a greater cause.
[] What I am seeing is the height of hypocrisy, as I remember years ago when our national players were getting problems to leave English Premier League clubs to come across and play for their country; and you were hearing people complaining locally.
Now all of a sudden you have managers in local clubs preventing our national players from coming to train with national teams.
Fifa rules stipulate that clubs are only obliged to release players for national duty during specified match windows. As such, Ferguson and any other club director could legally block players from representing their country outside of those periods.
Ironically, Fenwick used those regulations himself to stop players from training with the national team while in charge of Clico San Juan Jabloteh.
Matters were far from settled on the training ground today too, as the appointed National Senior Team staff of assistant coach Derek King, manager Captain Basil Thompson and equipment manager Michael Williams turned up to find themselves working with a second group comprising of coaches Anthony Harrington, Nigel Henry, Keon Trim and James Baird and administrators Denise Govia and Adrian Romain. Fenwicks helpers, according to the source, are working pro bono.
Warriors assistant coach/goalkeeper coach Kelvin Jack is in England with his family while trainer Oswin Birchwood was also absent.
A source close to the team explained that, since coaches have not been paid since their appointments, Fenwick brought his own coaches along to ensure he would have adequate staff to carry on the session. Covid-19 restrictions also meant he needed enough coaches to manage 40 players divided into roughly six groups.
Fenwick is believed to have purchased refreshments and fruits for players today. However, with no financing available and no international competition on the horizon, players could be spending as much as TT$80 a day to attend training with little chance of covering those expenses from match fees.
Wired868 understands that Fenwick is pushing to have supplements sponsored for the players and hopes to find help for their travel expenses.
TTFA technical committee chairman Keith Look Loy does not see the point of the venture, which he described as a PR exercise and a bad, bad joke.
From reports coming in, this was a circus, said Look Loy. In the first place, the government has Covid regulations governing the country, which does not allow what took place todaybecause team sport is not supposed to restart until 22 June.
I dont care what Gary [Griffith] said because the police commissioner is NOT the government of Trinidad and Tobago.
Look Loy also criticised Fenwicks decision to bypass other national coacheslike Angus Eve, Stern John and Clayton Morristo bring in staff from his own youth club for national sessions.
I cannot countenance the use of non-national team staff to not only train a national team but the Senior National Team, said Look Loy. All things being equal and if I was operational that could never have happened. We have a national technical staff in place, so how we can go to outsiders who have no national coaching experience?
[] Further, I dont understand the need to rush to break Covid regulations and to bring in non-approved staff when there is going to be no Fifa window for that national team to play any games in, until December or January next yearalthough they can play friendlies.
Look Loy said the resumption of the Mens National Senior Team might put pressure on Hadad to make a decision regarding the remaining teams, which can theoretically begin training within the next two weeks.
If this is a precedent then, when football reopens in two weeks, the issues arises for the other coaches: what are we to do? Look Loy noted. They have no international football to play this year either, so what happens with these coaches and their teams? Somebody has to give them direction; but if I do, Fifa will tell the normalisation committee to kill whatever I suggest.
The question remains: how is this normalisation committee treating with these teams who were put into animated suspension by Covid? How is it going to treat with the appointments?
Are they going to respect the appointments and the terms of the appointmentsmainly salariesor are they not?
Hadad, as always, has promised nothing and delivered just as much.
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Never a dull day in that country, theres always commess bachanal and confusion brewing in every aspect of life on that little island where no body wants to sit down and talk over their differences but rather run to the media, and the dirty media instead of putting the health and mental well being of the nation first, they choose to sell their unhealthy swill to the nation further clogging the intelligence of John public and by extension our children. Im really beginning to hate this country.
PS. I have a prediction. I believe WW will be successful against fifa, and im predicting in a few moanthem fenwick would be out of a job, himself and ramdhan.
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Never a dull day in that country, theres always commess bachanal and confusion brewing in every aspect of life on that little island where no body wants to sit down and talk over their differences but rather run to the media, and the dirty media instead of putting the health and mental well being of the nation first, they choose to sell their unhealthy swill to the nation further clogging the intelligence of John public and by extension our children. Im really beginning to hate this country.
PS. I have a prediction. I believe WW will be successful against fifa, and im predicting in a few moanthem fenwick would be out of a job, himself and ramdhan.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Never a dull day in that country, theres always commess bachanal and confusion brewing in every aspect of life on that little island where no body wants to sit down and talk over their differences but rather run to the media, and the dirty media instead of putting the health and mental well being of the nation first, they choose to sell their unhealthy swill to the nation further clogging the intelligence of John public and by extension our children. Im really beginning to hate this country.
PS. I have a prediction. I believe WW will be successful against fifa, and im predicting in a few moanthem fenwick would be out of a job, himself and ramdhan.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Terry is very quiet, for once. Quiet about the contract, that is!
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What was DL contract? How much was he paid?
FIFA was paying his salary. DJW and infantino had that arrangement. Contro was correct on that point when he said that DJW was in FiFA(Infantino) pocket. The part about DL selling out the games is farfetched.
Got it. How much was FIFA paying him though? It seemed like top secret. Was it an average wage compared to other national team coaches? $10 per hour? $100,000 for 3 months? What did DL make so we can compare it to Fenwick's?
soccerman, that is the million dollar question. We don't know. Unless one of the forumites know the answer to that.
Deeks who told you this??
He was paid from the same subvention that Fenwick is meant to be paid from
I read where he is being paid by FiFa. It never stipulated the break down of the contract like Fenwick's contract. I can't remember seeing anything about how much he was being paid. Unless somebody on the forum bring up the specifics to correct me.
Subvention is from fifa, same as Lawrence, hence why Fenwick was complaining about football being shutdown. He needs fifa to pay his salary, if we get banned, that goes away..
That 2.5k mystery sponsor seems shady, why was that included in the contract and the liability falls squarely on the ttfa... it doesnt even stipulate that a portion of it will be from the sponsor, in fact that should not even be in the agreement and why did Fenwick agree to that and the ttfa?
Bobol on top of Bobol... and people wonder why the nation is where it is and so damn backward...
Will Fenwick reveal who the sponsor is and should we assume the fifa subvention is 17.5k? Which we can also assume was dL salary..
Like Ive said before, fifa should not be paying our coaches and controlling them. TT has too much money for this rubbish to be happening
The only thing to solve this problem is revolution, which includes getting rid of both political parties..
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We already saw how it went with DL and the fifa subvention, now Fenwick?
Well, all I will say is, you cannot trust Fenwick if he is indeed paid by fifa. I expect the same selling out like with DL.
If it hasnt occurred to the people on the board, outside of Hart and a few other coaches, the TT senior mens coaching job is a gold mine for corruption, bribery and a stepping stone.
Its a coaches ticket to bribes, high level corruption, high salaries from a fifa subvention and zero accountability and results. It also serves as a stepping stone to get in fifas good books. Selling out to ensure TT is kept midway or below, never in the top four.
Subservient and posing no threat like the rest of the Cfu.
I warned everyone before, if Fenwick is paid by fifa through the subvention, its game over again...
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We already saw how it went with DL and the fifa subvention, now Fenwick?
Well, all I will say is, you cannot trust Fenwick if he is indeed paid by fifa. I expect the same selling out like with DL.
If it hasnt occurred to the people on the board, outside of Hart and a few other coaches, the TT senior mens coaching job is a gold mine for corruption, bribery and a stepping stone.
Its a coaches ticket to bribes, high level corruption, high salaries from a fifa subvention and zero accountability and results. It also serves as a stepping stone to get in fifas good books. Selling out to ensure TT is kept midway or below, never in the top four.
Subservient and posing no threat like the rest of the Cfu.
I warned everyone before, if Fenwick is paid by fifa through the subvention, its game over again...
Provide concrete and ocular proof of such Wild assertions that such possibilities could be so of senior men's coaches? That they could be ticketed for such possibilities.
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We already saw how it went with DL and the fifa subvention, now Fenwick?
Well, all I will say is, you cannot trust Fenwick if he is indeed paid by fifa. I expect the same selling out like with DL.
If it hasnt occurred to the people on the board, outside of Hart and a few other coaches, the TT senior mens coaching job is a gold mine for corruption, bribery and a stepping stone.
Its a coaches ticket to bribes, high level corruption, high salaries from a fifa subvention and zero accountability and results. It also serves as a stepping stone to get in fifas good books. Selling out to ensure TT is kept midway or below, never in the top four.
Subservient and posing no threat like the rest of the Cfu.
I warned everyone before, if Fenwick is paid by fifa through the subvention, its game over again...
Provide concrete and ocular proof of such Wild assertions that such possibilities could be so of senior men's coaches? That they could be ticketed for such possibilities.
You just saw DL and what happened during his tenure and the vast amount of corruption surrounded around him and the dictator... yet you are asking for proof..
Given the fact fifa has paid our coaches with the subvention and that is not enough to understand what Is happening?
What proof are you exactly looking for?
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Denial is always the first stage...stay tuned.. :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead:
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Wallace: We are trying to rectify error; TTFA president tries to explain secret Fenwick contract.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).
Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president William Wallace admitted today that he legally bound the local football body to terms with Mens National Senior Team head coach Terry Fenwick that were not agreed to by his board.
Wallace, who is chairman of the TTFAs Board of Directors, said he signed Fenwicks contract in error and that the TTFA is trying to rectify this by amending the deal.
The besieged presidents revelation came almost five months after Fenwick agreed terms with the TTFA and a day after SportsMax pointed to the discrepancy between the coachs actual contract and the one the board thought he signed.
I have to take responsibility for signing it, Wallace told Wired868. I am not running away from it. I can give you the circumstances but I have to take responsibility for that.
At present, Fenwick has a contractsigned by Wallace and general secretary Ramesh Ramdhanvalued at US$2,500 (TT$17,000) per month more than agreed by the TTFA Board of Directors and with crucial clauses that were not approved by the board.
On 19 December 2019, the board voted 8-1 to hire Fenwick as the replacement for sacked coach Dennis Lawrence on the understanding that he would be paid US$17,500 (TT$118,000) per month with specific bonuses, including a two year extension if the Soca Warriors advanced to the 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup quarterfinal round. (Interim Pro League chairman Brent Sancho was believed to be the sole abstention.)
Fenwicks salary would rise to US$20,0000 (TT$135,000) a month once the team secured qualification for the Gold Cup. His extension, if achieved, did not come with a pay increase.
But that was not what Fenwick, Wallace and Ramdhan eventually signed off on.
The changes to the deal afforded to the Warriors coach included:
A starting salary of US$20,000 per month;
An automatic two-year extension and salary increase to US$25,000 (TT$169,000) once the team qualified for the Gold Cup;
Perks inclusive of private medical insurance for his daughter and a suitable phone, laptop and motor carwith all associated costs such as insurance, maintenance and fuel borne by the TTFA.
Fenwicks bonuses for wins in friendly and competitive games as well as for improving Trinidad and Tobagos Fifa rankings, remained the same as initially disclosed to the board. However, the contract also afforded him two business class tickets and suitable accommodation for two persons whenever necessary, for scouting purposes.
According to the terms of the agreement, the TTFA was responsible for the payment of local taxes, national insurance and health surcharge deductions.
Wallace explained to Wired868 that, although the board agreed to terms that should be offered to its new Mens National Senior Team head coach, Fenwick was dissatisfied and pressed him to alter it.
In the end, Wallace said they decided to improve his remuneration through sponsorship money.
[Fenwick] wasnt happy with [the US$17,500 offered] but he went and got the additional US$2,500 through sponsorship, said Wallace, who is also the Secondary Schools Football League (SSFL) president. But that should have been in a separate agreement and not in the main contract. When it was drafted by his lawyer, it was put in the main contract when that figure should not have been our responsibility.
There is a TTFA obligation and another obligation [for US$2,500] from another source.
Wired868: Who is the other source?
Wallace: I dont want to reveal the other source. The other source would not want to be revealed, so I have to respect that. Terry would corroborate that.
Wired868: If you did not read the contract properly, are you saying that you could just as easily have signed a contract for US$70,000 [TT$473,000) and the TTFA would have been forced to pay it?
Wallace: Well I did peruse the contract but nothing jumped out at me because the figures I saw there were discussedbut they were discussed as two separate things. As for the clause about what would trigger the extension, I didnt pick that up at all but that is going to be adjusted.
We are doing an amendment which will replace whatever document existed prior to that. Terry has agreed to that. At the end of the day, the figure does not change so Terry will not lose anything. It is just that he receives part from the TTFA and part from another entity
Fenwick declined comment and did not confirm or deny whether he agreed to amend his contract.
Article 39.1 of the TTFAs Constitution states that the football president represents the TTFA legally, which gives Wallace authority to enter the organisation into binding contracts.
Article 36(j) states that the TTFAs Board shall appoint the coaches for the representative teams and other technical staff.
Former president David John-Williams utilised these two clauses in tandem when he asked his board to appoint Lawrence as coach and then to extend his tenure but refused to tell them what the terms of his contract would be. The board agreed and allowed John-Williams to negotiate Lawrences deal unilaterally.
In this case, however, the Wallace-led administration gave the board one figure but, privately, signed off on another.
TTFA technical committee chairman Keith Look Loy, who is a member of the board and Wallaces United TTFA slate that successfully contested the football bodys elections last November, said he did not know about Fenwicks pay raise until this morning.
Look Loy said he conducted the initial negotiations over Fenwicks contract with controversial English marketing man Peter Miller. Miller was involved in the TTFAs Avec apparel deal as well as the Lavender development pitch for the Arima Velodrome, for which he signed as TTFA marketing director.
At the time, Wallace denied Miller had been retained as TTFA marketing director and said that was also an error. And Look Loy said Miller was working on a commission and not with a contract.
Fenwick used Miller as his agent, so I conducted the negotiations [over his salary] with Miller; and I told himthrough Millerthat what he wanted was not acceptable and he just couldnt get it, said Look Loy. What he wanted and what he ended up with is chalk and cheese. We are highly indebted and the kind of extraordinary things he wanted.
[] For instance, a simple thing like a car. He is living in Trinidad and he already has a car; so why must the TTFA give him a car? I told him nobody could get more than what Lawrence was making and I was able to whittle down his demands to what I thought was realistic; and the board approved that. And that is what I stand by.
After it went to the board and was accepted, the [technical] committee turned its back on thatas we did for the agreements with all the other coaches. That then became the job of the president and general secretary to put it in a contract.
TTFA second vice-president Susan Joseph-Warrick told Wired868 that she and fellow vice-presidents Clynt Taylor and Sam Phillip were also in the dark about Wallaces second deal with Fenwick.
We were unaware of that figure until this morning and this has to be cleared up, said Joseph-Warrick, who is also president of the Womens League of Football (WoLF). We really didnt know.
Still, Look Loy said he accepted Wallaces explanation for the deal that was struck with Fenwick, barring the error of its presence in his contract.
What I am told is [Fenwick] insisted that he wouldnt accept less than US$20,000 per month, said Look Loy, so he persisted and arrived at an agreement with sponsors who were supposed to be coming in, through Peter Miller, that the shortfall would be made up by sponsorship. I knew nothing about thatI am just hearing about it this morning.
That has nothing to do with the TTFA. It is like a coach at a big club having a side deal with Nike that agrees to pay him an additional bonus. All the TTFA is obliged to deliver is US$17,500.
Look Loy said Fenwicks contract ought to be considered invalid due to a salary and performance-related clause meant to trigger a two year extension that were not in the original deal.
I am not going to abide by that, that is not what was tabled, discussed and approved [by the board], said Look Loy. Nobody has unilateral authority to change what the board approved. That was my position with anything that John-Williams did and it holds now.
Ramdhan described the confusion as a simple administrative matterwhich is only one possible way to describe the TTFA president and general secretary secretly renegotiating a deal that was already agreed to by the board.
Wallace said the error will be fixed soon.
It is being rectified as we speak, he said. It was pointed out to [Fenwick] that [contract] has to be changed to reflect what the board agreed to. So the lawyer is doing a separate amendment to it.
Fenwick has not yet offered a public statement on the matter. But, if the contracts unilaterally handed out by former TTFA presidents Raymond Tim Kee and John-Williams are any gauge, the Englishman may already hold a valid contract; and must now decide whether to slash his own salary at the request of his employer.
To further complicate matters, it is the Fifa-appointed normalisation committee which may end up having to honour Fenwicks contract.
At present, Fifa considers Robert Hadad to be in charge of the TTFA, although it is a view that Wallace and his vice-presidents are resisting in the Port of Spain High Court.
Hadad has not spoken to Wired868 in weeks and has gone to great lengths to avoid the media. However, he told coaches and staff that he is working on finding an avenue through which he can pay their outstanding salaries.
Fenwick, like all other current TTFA coaches, is yet to be paid since Wallace was elected president, due to Fifas refusal to release funds to the local body.
On Monday, Fenwick held his first national training session with roughly 40 local-based players, which had its own issues. The Warriors were due to train again from 9am this morning at the Police Barracks in St James.
However, Wired868 understands todays session was cancelled via Whats App at just after 6am. The reason given was bad weather.
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If WW and company are removed because of this contract, then Terry should be removed. I still think he is the right person, football wise, for the the job. But if WW is the fall guy because his contract, then it is logical that he be removed and get a next coach.
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Where is the ttfa lawyer to go over this contract before ww signed off on it....no friend in business
Too many errors mr prez
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What coach of a nonproductive team - not even a regional giant worth that kinda money per month.
Fenwick is real Trini- smart man make some kinda deal and laughing all the way to the bank and ehevncosch ah game yet-
Yes bio- we are the socaclowns of the Caribbean crown we as the most inept Association in the region.
Not only we get pull down by Couch in WC now another Englishman take we whole head down and score a jackpot as the highest paid coach to never coached the team- not even in ah friendly or ah pick up game
Flackery pure flackery
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Football sits on the bench
By Stephon Nicholas (T&T Newsday)
NATIONAL football coach Terry Fenwick has had arguably the most turbulent start to a head coaching position in T&T history, without playing a single game.
Fenwick was announced as the new T&T coach on December 19, 2019, by former TT Football Association (TTFA) president William Wallace. Three months later, Wallace was removed by FIFA and a normalisation committee placed in charge of the local governing body.
The move by FIFA has been challenged by Wallace and the matter is currently before the High Court. The battle for control of the TTFA has been a bitter one with a fight for control of the TTFAs First Citizens account.
FIFAs response has been to starve the TTFA of funding until the issue has been resolved.
This has left Fenwick, assistant coaches and technical staff unpaid for months.
Apart from the FIFA intervention, covid19 has delayed Fenwicks official debut.
The Soca Warriors, ranked 105 in the world by FIFA, were scheduled to play two friendlies against Canada, ranked 73rd, on March 27 and 31 in the North American country when the pandemic shut down travel all around the world.
Speaking to Newsday on Tuesday, Fenwick said the off-the-field drama has frustrated him.
My frustration has been the typical politics of T&T football the lack of real leadership at the top, he said.
Of course, we have the normalisation committee kicked in. Weve got court cases, its really not good for the youngsters. Its not good for the technical staff, coaches that weve got. They dont know who their leaders are at the moment until the court case goes through.
Everybody is sitting on the bench, pretty much. Its not helping the youngsters of this country, theres possibly a generation of kids could go under the bus because of the incompetence of several different structures of management of T&T football.
Fenwicks contract has been a source of controversy as Wallace signed off on a higher salary and a number of perks contrary to what was agreed upon by the TTFA board.
Fenwicks contract pays him US$20,000 per month, US$2,500 more than what the TTFA board had agreed to offer him.
Asked to respond to accusations that he asked for too much from the TTFA, Fenwick said, I just think, like everything, its a negotiation. I negotiated with members of the board that were acting on behalf of the board. My contract was done through Ravi Rajcoomar SC, so I always had good advice in the background as to how I should move forward. Ive done everything right, everything is legally binding.
Fenwick said he remains focused on his dream job despite his contract being a hot topic.
The issues that I see are certainly not on my side. Its something that I negotiated and in the end, its a job I always wanted to do because I know the quality of kids we have on the ground.
More than anything, I wanted to change the style, move away from what was negative and stopping us from getting results.
The contract side of it, its been an issue for plenty of people but Ive not really taken it on.
United TTFA member Keith Look Loy recently told Newsday he considers all TTFA contracts signed without board approval to be null and void. Wallace has been mum of late but has promised to release a statement to address all the contentious issues.
Fenwick expressed gratitude for his assistant coaches and other technical staff for working despite the financial constraints.
He lauded the benevolence of team doctor Akash Dhanai who has been also working for free.
Ive got a meeting on Wednesday with our doctor...Weve come out of covid(19) and now were struggling with Sahara dust. I cancelled training on Monday, it could well be cancelled on Wednesday because of the same dust issue.
But the doctor and I will be meeting on how were going to tackle issues with certain players that might have asthma, respiratory issues. Were trying to cover everything, but we have no money.
Thank God the doctors been excellent; hes been helping us out, all the coaches have been doing everything for free.
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Tt local based national coach shouldn't be paid anything more than 30 grand tt a month. 40-50 grand if they qualify for world cup etc. Fenwick aint worth this money. Anyone knows what his salary whilst coaching the local clubs was?
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Eyes on youth: Teenagers aplenty in Fenwicks first T&T training squad
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express)
ENGLISHMAN Terry Fenwick has made a commitment to add young players to the national mens football team, even if it means that some older locally-based players might have to be left out.
A month after commencing national team training, Fenwick held his first media conference yesterday at the Police Barracks in St James. The former England defender, 60, worked with a bunch of 35 kids under the watchful eyes of Police Commissioner Gary Griffith.
Assisting Fenwick were a combination of former national players and coaches such as Clayton Ince and Ross Russell, along with San Juan Jablotehs Keith Jeffrey and Keon Trim. Fenwick explained that his assistants, Derek King and Angus Eve, were unavailable for yesterdays session.
Despite uncertainty as to whether the FIFA installed Normalisation Committee or the elected officials of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association are running the sport locally, Fenwick felt it important to get his programme going.
We have just come through Covid virus into the Sahara dust and in between all of that, we dont know who our leadership is at this time, he said, vowing to steer clear of local football politics.
Politics around the world is not easy. It gets bitter and twisted at times, he declared, That is where we are. I am leaving that alone.
Fenwick said his early ambition has been limited by finances.
I wanted to take a team from Trinidad to Tobago to play against the best players that they got available in Tobago, he said. So we can see what we got and select the best that they got over there.
Fenwicks focus is on young, locally-based players, although a few experienced 31-year-olds such as Police goalkeeper Adrian Foncette, La Horquetta Rangers Keron Ball Pest Cummings and Defence Force defender Curtis Boyo Gonzales were among those training. The squad also included talented 19-year-old Central FC midfielder Che Benny, striker Justin Araujo-Wilson (17), W Connection talent Molik Khan (16), St Anthonys College forward Kai Phillip (19), Club Sando striker and Pro League top scorer Shaqkeem Joseph (19), John-Paul Rochford (20) and Justin Sadoo, the 22-year-old Point Fortin Civic defensive midfielder.
Im working with a very, very young squad of players, Fenwick said.
Some of my players will be in their late teens coming through to my national side. They have done a great job so far. The intensity has been remarkable. Sometimes it does look a little frenetic because they have put a lot of time and effort into their physical side of the game, he added.
My intention, as national team coach, is to develop the best kids that we have available, he said, explaining that the face of the squad would change over time, with others also getting an opportunity to stake their claims.
We are working hard at it. Ive got my detractors in the background, which is okay, I understand. I am giving my everything to the young players that we got.
The Englishman said his ambition was to get into the mind of his young charges, getting them to do the simple things right. While talented, some have not previously benefitted from structured coaching and so, many things are brand new to them. Some will rise to the occasion while others will not be good enough and will be replaced by other talent.
There are lots of players out there in the mid-20s who havent been selected and are not involved in this squad, and they are asking why, Fenwick revealed.
I said to them, Fellas, if you are 27 and older and you are still playing here in the league in Trinidad and Tobago, I know I have better players at the highest standard of football somewhere else in the world.
You wouldnt believe the response I have had locally and internationally from players around the world that want to play for Trinidad and Tobago, he continued.
Fenwick said his intention was to get results.
I want us to get away from being 105th ranking in the world (and) one of the teams in the Caribbean region. I want to be the top team in the region. I want to be top-50 ranked in the world. I want to move us in the right direction and that will not happen unless we have a good development process from 15, 17, 20, into the (senior) national team.
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Fenwick: We have something to offer.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).
National coach Terry Fenwick is manoeuvring the challenges of a less-than-ideal leadership, the selection of inexperienced players, to people who are not in favour of him being national coach, as well as little to no finances, to turn around the fortunes of T&T football.
Addressing the media soon after a training session at the Police training ground at the St James Barracks on Friday, the English-born coach said he wants not to be one of the top teams in the Caribbean but the best in the region, as well as one of the top 50 teams in the world.
To date, he has been mentoring the young players, some of whom have never played under a top-class coach, he told the audience and has been guiding them on the areas they need work.
"Some of the sessions that they've done are brand new, they don't know. I am engaging them on and off the field as to how they adapt mentally. Everything I tell them, I only tell them once to see who takes it on board because that's how the world is moving right now. I want us to get away from this 105th ranking in the world, or one of the teams from the Caribbean region. I want to be the top team in the region. I want to be down on the 50 ranked in the world which will move us in the right direction, and that will not happen until we have a development process from 15, 17, 20 and the senior national team."
He added: "We have done a good job so far. The intensity has been remarkable."
Courtesy the assistance of Robert Hadad, the chairman of the FIFA-appointed Normalisation Committee who has helped the team with his finances to get food and refreshment, and Commissioner of Police Gary Griffith, the team has been in training for just under a month now (the first session was on June 8.) and has made tremendous strides despite the challenges of the coronavirus (COVID19) pandemic, situation. The infiltration of the Saharan dust, and the uncertainty of who will lead local football after the pending July 29 court matter between the world governing body for football - FIFA, and the William Wallace-led United T&T Football Association.
He told the media he has been encouraged when he sees the work of coaches such as Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp, he knows we are in a good place. "When we have got the best coaches in the world such as Pep Guardiola, coaching teams with teenagers to win Championships, whether it be the Premier League or the Champions League, and that's with at whatever clubs he has been, that tells me that these youngsters have got something to offer."
Fenwick, 60, is hoping to follow up his team with a match between a Trinidad representative team versus a Tobago team in the sister-isle soon, as well as an international encounter with either Guyana or Barbados before the year ends.
He hopes to work on the many interested players internationally with T&T's parentage with the hope of selecting the best team.
At the last FIFA World Cup qualifiers, the T&T team was recorded as the oldest squad in world football, but the Englishman who took over from Dennis Lawrence on December 19, 2019, said he wants to change that. Fenwick's training squads yesterday comprised some 40 players such as Adrian Foncette, Jabari Mitchell (Police FC); Andre Marchan, Aaron Enil, Curtis Gonzales, Justin Garcia, Adrian Welch, Hashim Arcia, Reon Moore, Brent Sam, Dwight Quintero (Defence Force); Christopher Biggette, Brandon Semper, Kadeem Hutchinson, Justin Araujo-Wilson, Tyrese Bailey (San Juan Jabloteh); Kadeem Riley (Unattached); Isaiah Garcia, Molik Khan (W Connection); Jelani Peters (Toronto FC); Jesse Williams, Jameel Neptune, Kevon Goddard, Che Benny, Sean Bonval (Central FC); Xavier Rajpaul (Cunupia FC); Justin Sadoo (Point Fortin); Rivaldo Coryat, Matthew Wooling, John Paul Rochford (AC Port of Spain); Keron Cornwall, Shaqkeem Joseph (Club Sando FC); Keron Cummings (La Horquetta Rangers); Judah Garcia (Point Fortin FC); Nicholas Dillon (Patro Eisden Maas); Kai Phillip (St Anthonys College); Tyrese Spicer (St Augustine Secondary); Michael Poon-Angeron, Akeem Roach, Jaheim McFee.
Among those who assisted Fenwick during yesterday's session were Clayton Ince, Keith Jeffreys and Ross Russell.
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WATCH: Trinidad and Tobago Men's Senior Team Training Session on Friday, July 3rd at the Police Barracks, St. James
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Fenwick: Its my job to turn Warriors around; T&T coach brushes off detractors
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).
Trinidad and Tobago Mens National Senior Team head coach Terry Fenwick brushed aside controversy surrounding his contract today and claimed that he was fully focused on the job, in his first press conference since taking up his duties.
The Soca Warriors trained at the Police Barracks in St James this morning with over 35 playersmost under the age of 23.
At present, the TTFA is mired in controversy as president William Wallace resists the Fifa-appointed normalisation committee, headed by businessman Robert Hadad, in court. And Fenwicks contract, which was signed off by Wallace with terms not approved by the TTFA Board, has been a major talking point.
Fenwick, a former Pro League champion as San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC head coach, said he is unaffected by the scandal.
At the end of the day, Ive got 35 kids out there who need my organisation for the session, said Fenwick. [] Listen guys its politics, politics around the worldits not nice. It gets bitter and twisted sometimes.
[] Im leaving that alone. My intention as national coach is to develop the best kids we have available For me as the national coach, it is about delivering the best I possibly can.
There were plenty fresh faces on the training ground while the youngest player, Naparima College midfielder Molik Jesse Khan, only turned 16 in April.
Fenwick complimented the players in his squad and said he intends to improve them for their various national teams, even if it will be the junior ones. However, he insisted that they are not just making up numbers.
Weve got some great talent on the ground here in Trinidad and Tobago; and our football lets them down because its not over a sustained period of time, he said, and the coaches are quite regularly changed over, so there is no development process in place.
If the best coaches in the worldlike Pep Guardiola, like Jurgen Kloppif these guys are using teenagers and guys who are 21, 22, 23, it tells me that weve got a chance with the kids we have got on the ground here in Trinidad and Tobago.
[] Our last squad that competed for the World Cup qualifiers, two years ago, was the oldest squad in world football. I want to move it on from there because I see the talent that we have here on the ground.
Fenwick said he is focusing on the mentality of his players and their speed and efficiency on the ball, while being mindful of the guys who pick up instructions fastest.
I stated from day one to the players: look after number one, and number one will look after you, he said. Simple is genius. Do the simple things right and everything else falls into place.
Police FC goalkeeper Adrian Foncette, who has 15 senior international caps, said the players are excited to be back on the training grounddespite being uncertain about the date of their next competitive match.
It is just good to play some football, said Foncette. [] It is good that [Fenwick] was proactive in his decision to get the national team back training and to get football back going. There are probably just two or three [Pro League] teams who only just started back training.
It is a breath of fresh air.
Fenwick commended Hadad for helping to provide refreshments for the team and thanked Commissioner of Police Gary Griffith for use of their renovated ground.
The equipment that we are using is not the best but we are making do, said Fenwick. There is no finances so nobody is getting paid. But we are here, we are training. Players are turning up on time [and] there is a lovely passion around the squad, there is a nice feeling.
We have got to deliver better for the footballing publicfor the people who are out there behind us. And we recognise there are a lot of snipers out there, so we have got to be careful about what we do, what we say, how we behave in public places.
Fenwick stressed that he intends to deliver results.
I want us to get away from being 105th ranked in the world, [just] one of the teams from the Caribbean region, he said. I want to be the top team in the region. I want to be in the top 50 ranking in the world; and that will not happen unless we have a good development [structure] from the Under-15s straight into the Senior National Team.
[] All the public is looking at is results. I understand that. The Senior National Team is not the developmental team, the Senior National Team is here to win; and I recognise that
Ive got my detractors in the background and thats okay. I understand. Weve had a shocking time over the last few years, its my job to turn it around.
Videos -
Fenwick speaks on Resumption of National Team Training (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNF1ESMtm3s&feature=emb_title)
Watch: Senior Men's team training Session (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqs2BQkh3oY&feature=emb_title)
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Million $ questions: Fenwick, Miller, Celtic, and the abuse of Trinidads Jabloteh.
By Paul Nicholson (insideworldfootball).
The leak of witness statements from a 2013 Trinidad and Tobago court case concerning national team coach Terry Fenwick, the former English defender turned football manager-cum-marketing spiv, sheds more light via a series of shocking revelations concerning Fenwicks violent temper, his extreme behaviour and his alleged and multiple fraudulent business dealings.
Incredibly, and supported seemingly unequivocally by the Trinidad and Tobago FAs Normalisation Committee, Fenwick will today run a national training session with mixture of several national team players amongst youth players from his Football Factory, a grassroots level youth development business owned by Fenwick in Trinidad.
A number of accredited coaches from the TTFA are believed to be involved in the session, but only alongside Fenwicks Football Factory staff.
Fenwicks assent to the summit of the TTFA and his long association with the TTFAs discredited marketing director another Englishman Peter Miller, again comes into focus in the leaked documents, a copy of which can be see via clicking on the link below.
Link - 2013.03.13- Breach of Contract- Terence Fenwick and San Juan Jabloteh (http://www.insideworldfootball.com/app/uploads/2020/07/2013.03.13-Breach-of-Contract-Terence-Fenwick-and-San-Juan-Jabloeth.pdf)
It is another episode in what has been an on-going pattern of collusion and deceit in pursuit of footballs easy money in a country that has always played fast and loose with its. Football riches
In 2013 Fenwick made a claim in the Trinidad and Tobago High Court for breach of contract by San Juan Jabloteh Sports Club Ltd.
Jabloteh play in the Trinidad and Tobago Pro League and Fenwick had first been hired as coach as far back as 2001 (on the introduction of Peter Miller the clubs marketing chief at the time), having then left in 2003 but returning in 2005. He left the club in 2009, eventually suing for breach of contract.
A witness statement provided by Jabloteh president Jerry Hospedales in 2013 to defend the claims, details a contract between the Colonial Life Insurance Company (CLICO) and Jabloteh that saw a three-year sponsorship provision of TT$1 million annually; for club naming rights and the underwriting of a development programme for all its football and netball teams.
That money was to be paid to Jabloteh. Fenwicks contract of employment was made contingent on the continuation of the CLICO sponsorship. Fenwick was on a monthly salary of TT$50,000 plus benefits including a car and 50% of any money from player transfer fees (in 2001 he had set up a company with Miller called Pro Sports Caribbean based in Anguilla to handle transfer money from young Trinidad talent).
In fact, Hospedales in his witness statement says that a TT$1 million payment in December 2008 was never received by the club, but that it was made to IT Pod Holdings which Hospedales says was set up to manage the business of Magenta Holdings, a company reportedly run back then by the current and controversial TTFA marketing director Miller (See Pirates in the Caribbean: TTFAs tale of woe and intrigue was not entirely homegrown).
Magenta in 2008 had begun discussion with Fenwick over plans for a three-year international development programme that included a three-year deal with Scottish giants Celtic for games against Jablotehs senior and junior teams, as well as the establishment of an academy in Trinidad. Conveniently the financial exposure for Fenwick and Magenta was TT$1 million, says Hospedales.
Hospedales then suggests a second cheque for TT$1 million from CLICO in January 2009 was intercepted by Fenwick just a month after the first TT$1 million had been banked. Neither CLICO nor Jabloteh seem to be able to locate where the cheque was deposited. There is no comment from Fenwick documented in the court papers seen by Insideworldfootball.
The Celtic agreement appears to be as elusive as the cheque with Hospedales saying Celtic failed to turn up for a game when the senior Jabloteh team visited.
In December 2010, CLICO informed Jabloteh that it was cancelling its sponsorship. That triggered the clause in Fenwicks contract that gave the club the right to release him. In 2013 Fenwick sued. It is understood the case reached a mediated settlement though the detail of that settlement has not been clarified to Insideworldfootball.
It is not just Fenwicks business dealings that have gone unchecked but seemingly his general behaviour as well. According to Hospedales witness statement he details his leaving of a Pro League game 15 minutes before the end and on the way to his car being chased and physically threatened by Fenwick, who had left his position on the touchline to make his threats
Seven years later, Fenwick today takes the training of a selected group of Trinidad and Tobagos youth players, overseen and encouraged by Trinidad and Tobagos FA who are currently being run by a FIFA Normalisation Committee. Miller has also retained his marketing position within the TTFA. All sanctioned by interim TTFA chair Robert Hadad, the new broom trumpeted to clean up the twin island states football.
Last night a video was circulating on WhatsApp of Fenwick covering many of the issues (and more) above. It is worth watching, if only to see the quality elbow smash Fenwick (who is coaching) delivers to the head of an opposing team player in a Pro-League fixture as he celebrates a goal. Fenwick also got away with that assault.
Video - VIDEO 2020 07 02 20 24 58 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjYtGKn-kjU&feature=emb_title)
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Lets here from Fenwick defenders(at home and here) before judgement is passed. After all, I think it was only one individual on the selection committee opposed that selection. Though I feel we get hoodwinked one more time. Them fellas seem to have Trini down to a T, and now and T.
add: the lady name pronunciation is jokey/cute doh.
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DeeksI will keep my fingers crossed for this man who I think is more Trini than me,I hope his attitude has changed and less of the hot head.TW mirrors the attitude of people from the North East,the people come from very deprived parts and maybe TW is one with such a background.They all seem to have a fighting spirit and even sound like they want to fight when they speak.When I was studying in Manchester I heard one of the students talking,I said are you from Newcastle,his reply,"like f**k I'm not i'm from Carlisle",the thing is Carlisle is a stones throw from Newcastle.Manchester people call them "nutters".One question did you agree with TW as our coach.
Breds, YES! I think he has as much right as any Trini to coach the team. He lives in TT. He started from the ground floor. He was in the trenches with Jabloteh. He did a good job. He could have packed up and go back Hengland. He stayed and dealt with TT bakanal. TT has hired a number of coaches since he is here. Some foreign, some local. Some were good, and some were bad. Real bad. I think he should be given the chance. But leh we don't talk too fast because this contract business might screw up everything.
Looked like he learn the Bachanal better than We, and fellow mentor (Peter Miller) guided him well. Ka-Ching.
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I like this lasana guy somewhat, but does he ever have anything cheerful to share? every time I read his article theres always shyte to make your stomach turn and nothing to make you happy, just a real bad news journalist, its almost as if he thrives on conflict and bachanal.
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Dear editor: Fenwick pegged Wallace as a suckerTTFA scandal unearths key internal flaws.
Wired868.com.
[] Forget however one might feel about [Terry] Fenwick on a personal basis, the simple fact that he has allegedly encouraged [William] Wallace to bypass the TTFA Executive Board and sign off on secret contracts demonstrates that Fenwick was not concerned with proper administrative process, protocols or practices, but rather his own selfish interests.
Right or wrong he pegged Wallace as a sucker and proceeded to abuse the latters trust in him
In the following letter to the editor, attorney Nigel S Scott shares his disappointment in recent revelations regarding Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president William Wallace and Mens National Senior Team head coach Terry Fenwick and governance of the local football body:
The recent Wired868 series of articles on sidelined Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president William Wallaces truncated reign atop local football, represents investigative journalism of the highest order. That being said, the revelations in those articles cast a very negative and unflattering light on everyone involved.
From a personal perspective, I am most disappointed by Mens Senior National Team head coach Terry Fenwick, first, and with Wallace himself coming a close second.
Forget however one might feel about Fenwick on a personal basis, the simple fact that he has allegedly encouraged Wallace to bypass the TTFA Executive Board and sign off on secret contracts demonstrates that Fenwick was not concerned with proper administrative process, protocols or practices, but rather his own selfish interests.
Right or wrong he pegged Wallace as a sucker and proceeded to abuse the latters trust in himthe goal seemingly to get as much as he could from the TTFA, the best interest of the organisation be damned.
This apparently was not an opportunity to contribute to and improve local football, but rather an opportunity to contribute to his pockets and improve the circumstances of his family and himself.
Wallace meanwhile, comes across as incredibly naive, bordering on dunce. And I say that with no malice on my partthe evidence speaks for itself. He has unilaterally committed the TTFA to an arguably onerous sponsorship contract with Avec Sport, a relatively obscure UK company, swayed in part by representations made to him that the company is owned by Nike.
A simple Google search reveals rather that the company, along with another sportswear supplier, Just Sports ProClub, are subsidiaries of the Just Sport Group. Rather than Avec Sport, it is the Just Sport ProClub that operates in partnership with Nike.
What efforts did Wallace make to independently verify that information, or anything else told to him by Fenwick or Fenwicks cohort, Peter Miller? For that matter, what makes Wallace think that he did not need board approval for contracts as he stated recently?
He has the authority to sign off on contracts, but signatory authority is not the same as decision-making authority. There will be one, usually two signatures on any financial instrument (as designated in a companys Articles or Bylaws), but decisions are made only upon agreement by the board.
This is basic corporate governance, and to not adhere to that demonstrates either wilful ignorance or gross incompetenceeither of which is disqualifying and incompatible with the position with which he was entrusted.
But all long talk aside, this episode is just the latest chapter in a sad and shameful saga of chronic mismanagement at the highest levels of local football. The TTFAs Constitution requires that candidates to its executive board must have been active in a managerial or similar position in football within Trinidad and Tobago, for at least three of the five years preceding the election.
As recently as last week I have seen others bemoan this restriction and I dismissed the gripes then, as I always have. I did not have any issue with the limitation before, because I understood the rationale as insurance that office holders would have some vested interest in the proper running of the bodyaka, some skin in the game. But now Im not so sure.
Why is it that we perennially keep getting this wrong? Why is it that we cant seem to find honest, capable, competent and committed individuals to steer the ship?
The answer has to be because the selection/vetting process is flawed. That, and once in power those elected to office seemingly place more trust in relationships (right or wrong) and intuition, rather than in processes and best practices.
And best practices as used here is not some filler language tossed in without forethought or meaning. This is no secretthere are thousands of models and examples that are already proven, and which are not just theoretical assertions untested by real world application.
We know what we should be doing, we just refuse to do it.
This sad episode just confirms to the objective onlooker how intrinsically broken football in Trinidad and Tobago has been, and continues to be.
We need a total tear down and rebuild, and until then we just wasting peoples time.
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I like this lasana guy somewhat, but does he ever have anything cheerful to share? every time I read his article theres always shyte to make your stomach turn and nothing to make you happy, just a real bad news journalist, its almost as if he thrives on conflict and bachanal.
Bad news make the most money.
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Trinis like to hear the truth, but always think of it as if is fictional.. until the pit-viper that they read about biting everybody else, actually bite dem. Then it gets real. To late.
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Coach Fenwick trims training squad to 29.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).
The T&T senior national football team has been reduced to 29 players, now making it an 'A' and 'B' squads in training, national coach Terry Fenwick has said.
In an interview on Monday Fenwick in an update on the team said a 'B' squad was formed so that the guys who were with them last week, will join in with the 'B' squad so that they will have a nice blend of youthful interaction with so many players across the board.
Fenwick praised the commitment and attitude of the players, particularly those from the T&T Defence Force and the Police Service, whom he said put in the work at training, despite having to work throughout the night.
"Starting this week, we have now branched off, I have put very simple disciplines. All of the games we've had, all of the people sessions we have had, have all come with conditions and some of those conditions as simple as they may sound, like two-touch and they run off so these players are moving the ball quicker," Fenwick said as he talks about the progress of the team.
According to Fenwick, they have been working behind the scene on passports for some players with T&T parentage and will be trying to get some of their key players in the team when the borders are opened. "Kevin Molino, coming off the bench and of course we are keeping tabs of all our international players that are starting up in their League programmes around the world.
One of our top stars Kevin Molino, coming off the bench to score the winning goal for his team at the weekend. We're looking to bring them in when we can. When they open the borders, we know that might be a little while, but we're doing some great stuff behind the scene. We're pushing through one or two passport applications to get players with T&T parentage. It could be great we bring them together and the club gives up that extended time to do so."
The English-born coach was also disappointed by the fact that football leagues across the world have been starting up, except our local T&T Pro League.
T&T Squad.
Goalkeepers:
Adrian Foncette (Police FC), Aaron Enil (Defence Force), Christopher Biggette (San Juan Jabloteh);
Defenders:
Curtis Gonzales (Defence Force), Justin Garcia (Defence Force), Jesse Williams (Central FC), Jameel Neptune (Central FC), Isaiah Garcia (W Connection), Brandon Semper (San Juan Jabloteh), Jelani Peters (Unattached), Kareem Riley (Florida Gulf Coast UniversityUSA);
Midfielders:
Kevon Goddard (Central FC), Justin Sadoo, Michel Poon-Angeron (Club Atletico BanfieldArgentina), Che Benny (Central FC), Matthew Woo Ling (AC Port of Spain), Jabari Mitchell (Police FC), Hashim Arcia (Defence Force), John-Paul Rochford (AC Port of Spain), Molik Khan (W Connection), Judah Garcia (Point Fortin Civic), Gary Griffith III (Coleraine FCNorthern Ireland), Micah Lansiquot (San Juan Jabloteh);
Forwards:
Justin Araujo-Wilson (San Juan Jabloteh), Shaqkeem Joseph (Club Sando), Dwight Quintero (Defence Force), Nicholas Dillon (Patro Eisden MaasBelgium), Akeem Roach (Unattached), Jean-Heim Mc Fee (AC Port of Spain).
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Gary Griffith III ?
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Gary Griffith III ?
All politics .....
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Gary Griffith III ?
All politics .....
Unless Fenwick is going to groom some of these guys as a B team/U-23. Unfortunately the Olimpic qualification done gone.
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rangers players missing i noticed ...
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Brent sam did not make this cut :-[ was boval invited to this camp btw ?
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rangers players missing i noticed ...
Ferguson (Rangers boss) banned his players from attending NT. And yes, Bonval was invited.
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Players - Age
Adrian Foncette [31]
Aaron Enil [24]
Christopher Biggette [24]
Curtis Gonzales [31]
Justin Garcia [24]
Jesse Williams [18]
Jameel Neptune [26]
Isaiah Garcia [21]
Brandon Semper [20]
Jelani Peters [26]
Kareem Riley [22]
Kevon Goddard [23]
Justin Sadoo [22]
Michel Poon-Angeron [19]
Matthew Woo Ling [23]
Jabari Mitchell [22]
Hashim Arcia [31]
Molik Khan [16]
Judah Garcia [19]
Micah Lansiquot [23]
Che Benny [19]
John-Paul Rochford [20]
Gary Griffith III [18]
Shaqkeem Joseph [19]
Justin Araujo-Wilson [17]
Dwight Quintero [26]
Nicholas Dillon [23]
Jean Heim McFee [18]
Akeem Roach [24]
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Whatever happened to "Pappy" ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUxjv1jsWpM
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Whatever happened to "Pappy" ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUxjv1jsWpM
Heard he has been struggling in training.
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rangers players missing i noticed ...
I read that Ferguson did not want his players attending because some issue. Others can verify.
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Whatever happened to "Pappy" ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUxjv1jsWpM
Heard he has been struggling in training.
This lil man has the it factor ..... but he needs to be groom immediately by a good coach. He don't have much time. In this age of football he has to be on the fringes of a club first squad. He has the skills. Good first touch, and the body movement is up there with many of the past. He needs some weight room work to help him with his strength, stamina and speed. Don't give up on him yet. I was just checking this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWzcXZTC0GI
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Yeah i remember this game, lots of potential...
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Terry Fenwick: Pay us, please.
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express).
Yesterdays Concacaf Zone opening round draw was as favourable as national senior team coach Terry Fenwick could have hoped for.
The Warriors drew Caribbean rivals Puerto Rico, Guyana, the Bahamas and St Kitts and Nevis in Group F at the draw for the Qatar 2022 FIFA World Cup in Zurich, Switzerland. If T&T wins that preliminary group, a two-leg second round with the winner of Group A, containing El Salvador, is next. That second-round winner then plays the USA for an automatic World Cup spot. Qualifying begins in October and November.
It looks pretty good. It looks favourable, Fenwick mused after watching yesterdays draw. But greater questions plagued his thoughts.
I need to know that we have the finances and leadership to get us to a position that we can go out there and win, the coach stated. I dont want October, to come around and we have to go into qualifying without money, without preparation, without getting the players together and getting a camp where we can work hard.
The former England World Cup defender said the uncertainty of whether FIFAS Normalisation Committee or the exiled William Wallace-led TTFA executive is in charge of football, is hampering the national mens team programme.
Its been frustrating to say the least. I have not heard anything. When are they going to get up and running? stated Fenwickdespite having reached out to local businessman Robert Hadad who FIFA made chairman of its Normalisation Committee, taking over the TTFA operations in March.
Normalisation means getting back to normal. So, what happens next? What budget is available? Can we get a camp organised? What budget will be made available to bring in players from around the world to represent Trinidad and Tobago? And he cant give me an answer.
I am hoping somebody can untie Mr Hadads wrist so that he can start making a few decisions, he added.
He also addressed the lack of financial support to his staff.
When are they going to look after my staff and recognise that my staff... we havent been paid for eight months, he declared.
Fenwick commended coaches Derek King, Keith Jeffrey, Clayton Ince, Keon Trim and Adrian Romain, and captain Basil Thomson, who have all worked behind the scenes without pay.
We have done everything on not even a shoe-string budget, he said, acknowledging the help given by Police Commissioner Gary Griffith and others, including Hadad who had provided some food to the players from his own company,
For us to be competing in these tournaments, I need my staff looked after, he continued, calling for a compromise between FIFA and the TTFA in the interest of football.
Fenwick also commended the Herculean effort put in by the group of local players he has been working with, most of whom are non-contracted.
They are still turning up because they want to represent their country, he said, and they are being thrown under the bus, for want of better words, because of the internal politics here in Trinidad and Tobago.
Fenwick is also hoping for a quick restart to local football but he hinted that if the local football politics are not sought out, a promising World Cup qualifying campaign may end before it begins.
A collaboration may be wonderful at this stage so the kids on the street can see something happening that is favourable to them, he said.
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Terry Fenwick: Pay us, please.
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express).
Yesterdays Concacaf Zone opening round draw was as favourable as national senior team coach Terry Fenwick could have hoped for.
The Warriors drew Caribbean rivals Puerto Rico, Guyana, the Bahamas and St Kitts and Nevis in Group F at the draw for the Qatar 2022 FIFA World Cup in Zurich, Switzerland. If T&T wins that preliminary group, a two-leg second round with the winner of Group A, containing El Salvador, is next. That second-round winner then plays the USA for an automatic World Cup spot. Qualifying begins in October and November.
It looks pretty good. It looks favourable, Fenwick mused after watching yesterdays draw. But greater questions plagued his thoughts.
I need to know that we have the finances and leadership to get us to a position that we can go out there and win, the coach stated. I dont want October, to come around and we have to go into qualifying without money, without preparation, without getting the players together and getting a camp where we can work hard.
The former England World Cup defender said the uncertainty of whether FIFAS Normalisation Committee or the exiled William Wallace-led TTFA executive is in charge of football, is hampering the national mens team programme.
Its been frustrating to say the least. I have not heard anything. When are they going to get up and running? stated Fenwickdespite having reached out to local businessman Robert Hadad who FIFA made chairman of its Normalisation Committee, taking over the TTFA operations in March.
Normalisation means getting back to normal. So, what happens next? What budget is available? Can we get a camp organised? What budget will be made available to bring in players from around the world to represent Trinidad and Tobago? And he cant give me an answer.
I am hoping somebody can untie Mr Hadads wrist so that he can start making a few decisions, he added.
He also addressed the lack of financial support to his staff.
When are they going to look after my staff and recognise that my staff... we havent been paid for eight months, he declared.
Fenwick commended coaches Derek King, Keith Jeffrey, Clayton Ince, Keon Trim and Adrian Romain, and captain Basil Thomson, who have all worked behind the scenes without pay.
We have done everything on not even a shoe-string budget, he said, acknowledging the help given by Police Commissioner Gary Griffith and others, including Hadad who had provided some food to the players from his own company,
For us to be competing in these tournaments, I need my staff looked after, he continued, calling for a compromise between FIFA and the TTFA in the interest of football.
Fenwick also commended the Herculean effort put in by the group of local players he has been working with, most of whom are non-contracted.
They are still turning up because they want to represent their country, he said, and they are being thrown under the bus, for want of better words, because of the internal politics here in Trinidad and Tobago.
Fenwick is also hoping for a quick restart to local football but he hinted that if the local football politics are not sought out, a promising World Cup qualifying campaign may end before it begins.
A collaboration may be wonderful at this stage so the kids on the street can see something happening that is favourable to them, he said.
He probably could pay his staff with all the alleged back door sponsorship deals
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man. Very sad to hear that Derick King leave he good wok to come to this shythe 4 free. :'(
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Fenwick, others still in limbo, but regular technical staff soon to be paid
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express).
Individual contracts, among them that of senior mens national coach Terry Fenwick, are still being perused. However, most regular national team technical staff members can expect to be paid outstanding salaries soon.
A commitment was given to pay the regular coaching staff following Wednesdays meeting between national football teams technical staff members and the FIFA-appointed normalisation committee, which world footballs governing body FIFA installed in March to run football in Trinidad and Tobago.
In the meeting, which was facilitated virtually, the normalisation committee outlined proposals for the settlement of outstanding payments to technical staff members. The proposal was generally satisfactory. However, nuances in some individual contracts require further engagement, a release from the National Coaches Steering Committee said.
We believe there is good reason to be optimistic of this process being completed within the time frame suggested by the normalisation committee. This optimism is borne out of the productive and transparent nature of the meetings between both parties thus far, the release added.
Wayne Sheppard, a member of the Steering Committee, related to Trinidad Express his satisfaction with the process and relief that coaches and other staff would be paid for services for the first time this year. Payment will be made by direct deposit to individual bank accounts.
They gave a commitment to pay the staff members, Sheppard said.
The senior staff, however, they each have individual contracts. So they each had to go into meetings. In discussion, the points they had reached differed based on the individuals and their contracts, Sheppard explained.
There is still some discussion going on with the contracts of the senior staff members and some of the head coaches. They need to clarify one or two things because the contracts are individual. So some conversions still had, Sheppard explained, As far as the other members of the technical staff, it is more or less ironed out already.
Many of the regular contracts ended in August. However, Sheppard revealed that no discussion was made about continuing the contract of these coaches.
It was hinted that changes were to be made, Sheppard said, We yet to understand what would be the method used to make these changes. They have proven that they are qualified. So what is the determination that these coaches will not be given the opportunity to continue?
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TF doh come like a martyr and pleading the case - after all the alleged wheeling and dealing with alleged sponsorship profits I am sure thank a private football academy could employ and pay these coaches for conducting private clinics for youths throughout the nation
That would be a good Robin Hood like move - steal from the rich and honour the poor
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Fenwick eager to resume training as court case dropped.
By Jelani Beckles (Newsday).
NATIONAL mens senior football coach Terry Fenwick thanked the United TTFA for showing compassion by dropping its case against FIFA, which will allow the T&T footballers to focus on playing the sport rather than being distracted by off the field matters.
Despite only being in charge of the T&T national team since January, Fenwick has had challenges since being hired for the position.
Fenwick is happy that matters on the field of play will now be the focus again, especially as the Concacaf Gold Cup draw is next Monday.
Fenwick, an Englishman living in T&T for over 20 years, said, I see the compassion showed by William Wallace to get football back on track and of course with Gold Cup coming up its important not to just the coaches and the players, but the football public at large, the fans out there that want to see TT playing football recognize that.
In March, the covid19 pandemic started to affect T&T and football was brought to a halt.
Also in March, former TTFA president Wallace and the United TTFA executive were removed from office by FIFA mainly because of massive debt. A normalisation committee was then hired by FIFA to run local football.
The United TTFA decided to take legal action against FIFAs decision to appoint the normalisation committee.
National footballers and coaches breathed a sigh of relief, as on Wednesday the United TTFA decided to withdraw the case. That situation took attention away from the national footballers.
The national senior coach said T&T cant fall behind as football has resumed around the world.
All over the world now we are watching football on tv. (It) might be behind closed doors, but nevertheless football is continuing. Weve had CPL cricket here, but still no football. Me and my staff cant wait to get moving again, get our players training, get friendly games lined up so we can be competitive. Fenwick said the coaching staff has been planning during the downtime.
President of the Southern Football Association Richard Quan Chan said if the court case continued the players would have suffered.
People will think about standing up to FIFA as strength, but this is one where the decision is more a nationalistic decision than a personal decisionthe only people stand to lose is not the Richard Quan Chans and the William Wallaces of this world, but the athletes, the footballers are the only people who stood to lose. I think based on that I think the decision is a good one.
Acting TT Pro League chairman and TTFA board member Brent Sancho said, For the players, I am happy that they will get the opportunity to wear the national colours.
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Have they worked out some type of Covid-Policy & testing procedures if they're looking to get back on the field for training?
Other leagues are pretty rigorous with their testing policies.
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He pockets lined with sooo munch silver and gold yuh they KN he worried about instill g a passion to take on training?
Man come form mother c**try make ah name fun heself here rob the coffers and yuh think he go say yuh the lads - come ah go train allyuh forget the Bss Leah we get ready duh when things change?
Nah he busy crying about money - why he eh get Peter to have private sponsorshipto support players and coaches during this time-
Hats off to Jamaica - but their national athletics teams are well supported by corporations-
Ent we just had 22mil of corrupted funds seized- what a Robin Hood move that would have been to deploy into the football programs at this point.
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'Who can we trust?' asks T&T coach Fenwick.
By Jonathan Ramnanansingh (Newsday).
NATIONAL mens football coach Terry Fenwick believes United TTFAs decision to renew its legal fight with FIFA will bring further detriment to the administration of local football.
Fenwick, who was appointed coach by ousted TT Football Association (TTFA) president William Wallace and his executive in December 2019, has dubbed this move by the former regime as poor and unprofessional.
On Thursday, FIFA indefinitely suspended the TTFA for failing to withdraw its case against the sports governing body before their 3 pm (TT time) deadline on September 23.
Wallace and his executive were contesting, in the TT High Court, FIFAs decision to remove them from the helm of local football, in March, and appoint a normalisation committee, led by businessman Robert Hadad, to run the affairs of local football.
After several warnings from FIFA, that T&T could be sanctioned for their persistence to contest its decision in a local court, and not the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), the global governing body stood true to their word and suspended the TTFA, even though Wallaces team withdrew their case, two minutes past the 3 pm deadline.
On Friday, however, the ousted administration sought to withdraw its withdrawal of the lawsuit and file an injunction of FIFAs suspension at the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) the same judicial system shunned upon by Wallace in the early stages of its legal battle.
FIFA gave the Wallaces team plenty of warning," said Fenwick. "They are very good at carving out rules and regulations but when it comes to abiding by the timeframes that were given by the court, theyve not done it themselves.
That, for me, is very poor and unprofessional. Theyre playing games with the livelihoods of young, senior and national coaches. I could never agree with that, stated the former England defender.
Without proper leadership and the inability to participate in FIFA-sanctioned tournaments, Fenwick remains uncertain on the future of T&T football. According to him, players, coaches and fans are now searching blindly for answers to the current fiasco which has brought the sport to a virtual standstill.
Who can we trust? Who can we believe in? There is a clear lack of leadership across the board and thats leaving all of the sports stakeholders in limbo and unsure of what will happen next, he added.
Amidst the suspension, Hadad revealed, on Friday, that T&T will be included in the 2021 CONCACAF Gold Cup draw which is set to take place on September 28.
After an emergency meeting, on Thursday night, Concacaf issued a statement declaring that T&T would only be able to participate in the competition if the suspension imposed on the TTFA is lifted by 5 pm on December 18.
If the ban is not lifted, T&T will be replaced by Antigua/Barbuda.
Its a lot of mixed emotions now. We all want to be involved in the Gold Cup and World Cup qualifiers. A suspension of any sort serves no good to T&T football. The sport is already suffering and under pressure.
The TT Pro League and Super League are already non-existent (owing to covid19 restrictions). Money is hard to come by and we just dont know where to look. The rest of the world is playing football while we are not, he continued.
Since Wednesdays suspension, several foreign and locally-based national players have been reaching out to their coach querying the repercussions of FIFAs indefinite ban on their professional careers.
According to the 60-year old former San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC coach, he is sometimes lost for words trying to explain the possible outcomes, of this FIFA sanction, to the national players.
All of my local and international players are reaching out to me. Its not very nice. What can I communicate to them? Theyre seeing everything for themselves and wondering what the hells going on. They want to play, to represent their country.
He concluded, In the meantime, I will certainly be trying to get my players out to training again, trying to lift our spirits and give them a bit of hope.
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Gold Cup frustration: Fenwick frustrated ahead of tonight's draw
By Narissa Fraser (Newsday).
DESPITE being suspended from all international competitions by the FIFA, Trinidad and Tobago will be included in the 2021 Gold Cup group stage draw. But head coach of the senior men's national team Terry Fenwick says he feels frustrated.
T&T are yet to reach a Gold Cup final. In 2015, they reached the quarter-finals under then-coach Stephen Hart, but their best performance was in 2000 when they made it to the semi-finals under Bertille St Clair.
In 2019, under coach Dennis Lawrence, they were eliminated in the first round after a 2-0 loss to Panama, a 6-0 beating by the US and a 1-1 draw against Guyana in Group D.
But this draw comes as a bittersweet moment for the TT Football Association (TTFA).
Last Thursday, FIFA suspended the TTFA indefinitely after it missed the deadline to withdraw its appeal in the local High Court by two minutes. The appeal was against FIFA's decision in March to appoint a normalisation committee to run the affairs of local football.
Concacaf then held an emergency meeting, where it was agreed T&T will be included in the draw, but if the suspension is not lifted by 5 pm on December 18, it will be replaced by Antigua and Barbuda who have never competed in a Gold Cup.
In its official announcement of the TTFA's suspension, FIFA said it may only be lifted if: "The TTFA complies with the terms and conditions of its membership of FIFA as set out under the FIFA statutes, including in particular article 59 of the FIFA statutes.
"The TTFA acknowledges and confirms FIFA's powers and authority to appoint a normalisation committee subject only to the right of the TTFA to appeal such a decision to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS).
"The TTFA statutes are amended to ensure that all types of disputes may only be submitted to the established dispute resolution forum at CAS."
But the ball remains in court.
The ousted executive has since withdrawn its initial withdrawal of the case, locally. And after previously questioning the impartiality of the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in Switzerland, they sought to return there to continue its fight against FIFA.
Several stakeholders, supporters and past players continue to call on the ousted executive to comply to increase the chances of the ban being lifted in time.
Speaking with Newsday on Monday afternoon, Fenwick said while it is "a rather good draw" to be included in, it's solely based on "what ifs.
"For me, the coaches, the players, the fans in general football is down on the floor at the moment. We need to sort ourselves out so we can look forward to occasions like this with a bit of heart.
"We were already not training because of covid19, also no football is being played right now in T&T and that's not necessarily because of covid19 but because of the lack of finance and the people that are behind it."
Asked if he is hopeful the respective parties comply to see the suspension lifted in time, he said, "Absolutely."
He added that being able to receive FIFA funding once again is crucial.
"The United TTFA haven't got any money, and in my opinion, I think it's just throwing the young generation of footballers under the bus."
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T&T may face Montserrat in Gold Cup prelims
By Joel Bailey (Newsday).
Trinidad and Tobago may face Montserrat in the 2021 CONCACAF Gold Cup first stage preliminary round, scheduled for next July, following the official draw in Miami, Florida, US on Monday evening.
T&T were included in the draw, despite its suspension from FIFA, football's global governing body, on Thursday for violating FIFA statutes. However, T&T can participate in the Gold Cup prelims once their suspension is lifted by FIFA by 5 pm (TT time) on December 18. If the suspension is not lifted, then Antigua/Barbuda will replace T&T in the preliminary round.
Matches in the preliminary round will take place in the US. The other first stage preliminary round games are Haiti versus St Vincent/Grenadines, Bermuda versus Barbados, Guatemala versus Guyana, Guadeloupe versus Bahamas and Cuba versus French Guiana.
The second stage preliminary round games are winners of the Haiti-St Vincent/Grenadines and Bermuda/Barbados ties; winners of the Guatemala/Guyana and Guadeloupe/Bahamas ties; and winners of the T&T or Antigua/Barbuda/Montserrat and Cuba/French Guiana ties.
The winners of the second stage will advance to the 16-team Gold Cup.
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Fenwick: Draw not bad, but hoping FIFA suspension lifted soon.
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express).
Still optimistic
THE faster FIFAs suspension of Trinidad and Tobago football is lifted, the better it is for Terry Fenwick, T&Ts senior mens coach.
I have got to remain optimistic for my players, stated Fenwick, who says he has been in constant contact with several national team regulars and prospects.
The former England defender feels that the draw for 2021 CONCACAF Gold Cup gives the Soca Warriors an excellent chance of being in the 16-team finals, provided issues surrounding the legal challenge to FIFA, by former Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) executives, are resolved soon.
Im hoping we can resolve all the internal issues that weve got, said Fenwick. Anybody that draws Trinidad and Tobago at the moment thinks that they are going to win, because of the mess that we are in. It not easy with all this stuff going on.
Fenwick remains perplexed as to why the local Associations United TTFA faction, headed by its president William Wallace, continue to prolong action against FIFA, even with CONCACAF and FIFA extending an olive branch which could see T&Ts suspension soon ended.
T&T were included in the draw, despite being suspended by world footballs global governing body last Thursday, for violating FIFA statutes. If the suspension is not lifted by December 18, Antigua/Barbuda will replace T&T in the preliminary round.
The TTFA have not one red cent. How can they run football without FIFA funding, Fenwick questioned. The sixty-year-old is mainly concerned about his team being ready for when T&T face a dangerous Montserrat made up primarily England-born footballers in the 2021 CONCACAF Gold Cup opening round first-stage preliminary round match next July.
This was determined at Mondays draw, for the 2021 CONCACAF Gold Cup, which took place in the Miami, Florida, USA. T&T compete in a 12-team preliminary knockout stage, running from July 2-6, which will determine the final three group-stage participants. Should T&T get by Montserrat, they meet the winner of Cuba vs French Guiana, for a spot into the 16-nations Gold Cup.
I think its a good draw, if we are on our feet and if we got time to prepare. If I have time to prepare my team before we play these games, added Fenwick, who also felt the football politics can also not be good for his recruitment drive. We have identified a lot of quality players to add to what we already got. I have not had a chance to see them. You cant hide anything. Everything is out in the media, social media and it cant be very good for them, he sighed.
Of importance to Fenwick is getting his local squad back in training as soon as possible, before meeting an improved Montserrat next July. English footballers with Caribbean roots have transformed Montserrat from Caribbean whipping boys into a team which shocked many in the 2019 CONCACAF National League, where they won over the Dominican Republic and Belize, while only going down 1-0 in El Salvador.
None of Montserrats footballers live on the island. In addition, Willie Donachie, the former Scotland international and assistant to Joe Royle at various clubs, became manager last year and transformed Montserrat into a team known for working hard and always dangerous in dead ball situations.
The majority of their players are coming out of England, playing in the lower leagues. So they will have structure, organisation. I got work to do. Research to do. I have to find out who they got. Thank God Ive got some time to do it. But the most important thing is having time on the ground with my own players, Fenwick concluded.
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Coach Fenwick wants final resolution to court matter come Friday.
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express).
END THIS NOW
NATIONAL COACH Terry Fenwick said the time needed to get the mens national team prepared for World Cup qualifiers next year is fast running out and he hopes the ongoing dispute between former Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) executives and FIFA to be once and for all resolved this week.
T&T have been suspended from international football after former TTFA president Williams Wallace and his vice-presidents took FIFA -- world footballs governing body -- to the local High Court, challenging their dismissal (the TTFA) in March while being replaced by a FIFA-instituted normalisation committee, headed by local businessman Robert Hadad.
The case is due to be heard on Friday, before Madame Justice Carol Gobin. Following the judgment, Wallace has promised to allow delegates to decide the future of local football.
I want this sorted out by Friday this week. One way or the other, stated Fenwick, adding, So we can move things on and get my team playing by November. He said that on both sides of the issueWallaces United TTFA faction and FIFAadministrators seem unconcerned about the damage being done to the senior mens teams World Cup ambitions.
They are not recognising the damage they are doing by dragging this on, Fenwick reiterated. With William Wallace and Keith Look Loy on one side and Hadad on the next side, they are not realising the time that I need for players to come together, he noted, adding, On paper I have some excellent new players that I have identified. But I still have not seem them.
The former England national further stressed: There is a two-week FIFA international window where everyone is playing games. They are getting on with things and here we are, still trying to figure out the issues with ownership of the TTFA.
Fenwick revealed that having identified players, he still has not been given the opportunity to begin preliminary work with them. There is a FIFA window coming up. They got a fortnight off... No games, no nothing. We have not organised anything, he lamented. Not even here in Trinidad have I been able to call a squad together and maybe even play a game among ourselves, because of the state of football here.
He went on further: No one is taking into consideration that these windows are for a reason, so we can prepare and organise. After this we got one more FIFA window in November, and then weve got World Cup qualifiers next year.
Fenwick is adamant that he needs to see his players on the ground so as to have an idea which combination of players works. He said that, ironically, even with these limitations, the administrators will still expect his team to win. Even if I had a camp, it would help, Fenwick said. We have another window coming up in November and we need to get things going, he concluded.
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Restart football in 'bubble'
By Stephon Nicholas (Newsday).
Kickstarting a World Cup campaign while banned by FIFA is a scenario T&T men's football coach Terry Fenwick never envisaged when he got the job on December 19, 2019.
Eleven months later, that is the reality for Fenwick. who has also yet to see his team play a competitive or even a friendly match. He has also yet to receive his salary.
The former England international had two friendlies against Canada lined up in March, but the outbreak of covid19 scuppered those plans.
The pandemic turned out to be just the first wave in a tsunami of troubles to hit local football.
On March 17, FIFA appointed a normalisation committee to take charge of T&T football, replacing the William Wallace-led executive. A six-month legal battle ensued and culminated in a September 24 ban handed down by FIFA.
FIFA suspended the TTFA after Wallace's executive insisted on challenging its removal in the local High Court and not the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
FIFA said the suspension will only be lifted when the TTFA fully complies with its obligations as a member of FIFA, including recognising the legitimacy of the committee and bringing its own statutes into line with the FIFA statutes.
If the suspension is not lifted by December 18, T&T could miss the 2022 Qatar World Cup qualifiers.
With Wallace's recent decision to withdraw all legal challenges against FIFA and acquiesce to the wishes of the TTFA membership to accept the normalisation committee, it is a race against time to meet the obligations FIFA has outlined.
However, Fenwick believes T&T cannot wait till December, as the national programme is way behind its regional and international competition.
"We're already behind," Fenwick told Newsday on Monday.
Fenwick recently wrote to National Security Minister Stuart Young seeking to organise training and friendly matches to get the national programme jumpstarted ahead of the November 9-19 FIFA international window.
In the letter, Fenwick said, "Domestic football here in T&T has come to a complete standstill over the last year because of the same political dispute surrounding the United TTFA and their clash with FIFA, the governing body of world football. I am in hope that these issues have now been resolved and we as a nation can move on and compete in world football.
"I would like to bring to your attention that 'elite football' involving all the main domestic leagues around the world and international football has resumed everywhere but here in T&T. I ask for your consideration and help to get T&T elite football off the ground and back up and running. We need the nation to be positive and proud of our national football teams. Please help us get back on track."
Fenwick's proposal involved resuming training at the Hasely Crawford Stadium on November 2 with a doctor present and all players being checked for covid19 symptoms before every session.
Fenwick said the measures used to host the Caribbean Premier League (CPL) can be adopted.
"I humbly request the same 'bubble' that was afforded to CPL cricket back in August/September 2020."
He said to get the T&T players back in some competitive action, a Tobago versus Trinidad game would be held around November 12-17.
"Great for both islands and extremely positive. On the heels of that, we would also like to have a game against neighbours Grenada, 28-29 of November, to get back on track."
Fenwick said it has been difficult to execute plans while T&T is banned and covid19 restrictions are in place. He noted a Saudi Arabia friendly that was on the cards had to be cancelled after T&T was suspended. Instead, Saudi Arabia has arranged two friendlies against the Reggae Boyz on November 14 and 17.
Fenwick also said he needs a travel exemption to scout opposition and look at overseas-based players and those eligible to represent T&T.
"It's important to catch up with what's happening in the region and find out a bit more about out opponents. There is nothing better than seeing them live."
He said local players have played no football for the entire year, which will hamstring the team heading into World Cup qualifiers.
He said with the United Kingdom about to enter a month-long lockdown and the US also taking preventative measures, club will be extremely hesitant about releasing players.
"These club sides will not want players leaving outside a FIFA window. I'm gonna have to put a side together that's experienced and been around the block. There is no Pro League, there is no Super League. There is gonna be just four to five days (training) before my first (competitive) game.
"I've set up a WhatsApp group with local players and talents from overseas to try to bond but it's all futile until I get them on a training ground."
Fenwick held a recent meeting with national security officials and outlined his proposal.
But, he said, "Lots of people are speculating and with all due respect, I'm working hard behind the scenes on players' passports and other plans. We are trying to shortcut so when suspension is lifted we are ready to operate."
Fenwick listed a squad of 33 players to start training. He said the squad will be adjusted when overseas players become available.
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Before you talk friendlies- let's get some local interest and also build some internal competition for place on team
A series of-
North v south
North, South, Tobago
TnT locals versus Foreign eligible players
Then select an X1
For friendliest- home and away :
Venezuela - that will incite interest in TnT
Curaao
Guyana
India
Nigeria
Jamaica
Bangladesh
Samoa
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Restart football in 'bubble'
By Stephon Nicholas (Newsday).
Kickstarting a World Cup campaign while banned by FIFA is a scenario T&T men's football coach Terry Fenwick never envisaged when he got the job on December 19, 2019.
Eleven months later, that is the reality for Fenwick. who has also yet to see his team play a competitive or even a friendly match. He has also yet to receive his salary.
The former England international had two friendlies against Canada lined up in March, but the outbreak of covid19 scuppered those plans.
The pandemic turned out to be just the first wave in a tsunami of troubles to hit local football.
On March 17, FIFA appointed a normalisation committee to take charge of T&T football, replacing the William Wallace-led executive. A six-month legal battle ensued and culminated in a September 24 ban handed down by FIFA.
FIFA suspended the TTFA after Wallace's executive insisted on challenging its removal in the local High Court and not the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
FIFA said the suspension will only be lifted when the TTFA fully complies with its obligations as a member of FIFA, including recognising the legitimacy of the committee and bringing its own statutes into line with the FIFA statutes.
If the suspension is not lifted by December 18, T&T could miss the 2022 Qatar World Cup qualifiers.
With Wallace's recent decision to withdraw all legal challenges against FIFA and acquiesce to the wishes of the TTFA membership to accept the normalisation committee, it is a race against time to meet the obligations FIFA has outlined.
However, Fenwick believes T&T cannot wait till December, as the national programme is way behind its regional and international competition.
"We're already behind," Fenwick told Newsday on Monday.
Fenwick recently wrote to National Security Minister Stuart Young seeking to organise training and friendly matches to get the national programme jumpstarted ahead of the November 9-19 FIFA international window.
In the letter, Fenwick said, "Domestic football here in T&T has come to a complete standstill over the last year because of the same political dispute surrounding the United TTFA and their clash with FIFA, the governing body of world football. I am in hope that these issues have now been resolved and we as a nation can move on and compete in world football.
"I would like to bring to your attention that 'elite football' involving all the main domestic leagues around the world and international football has resumed everywhere but here in T&T. I ask for your consideration and help to get T&T elite football off the ground and back up and running. We need the nation to be positive and proud of our national football teams. Please help us get back on track."
Fenwick's proposal involved resuming training at the Hasely Crawford Stadium on November 2 with a doctor present and all players being checked for covid19 symptoms before every session.
Fenwick said the measures used to host the Caribbean Premier League (CPL) can be adopted.
"I humbly request the same 'bubble' that was afforded to CPL cricket back in August/September 2020."
He said to get the T&T players back in some competitive action, a Tobago versus Trinidad game would be held around November 12-17.
"Great for both islands and extremely positive. On the heels of that, we would also like to have a game against neighbours Grenada, 28-29 of November, to get back on track."
Fenwick said it has been difficult to execute plans while T&T is banned and covid19 restrictions are in place. He noted a Saudi Arabia friendly that was on the cards had to be cancelled after T&T was suspended. Instead, Saudi Arabia has arranged two friendlies against the Reggae Boyz on November 14 and 17.
Fenwick also said he needs a travel exemption to scout opposition and look at overseas-based players and those eligible to represent T&T.
"It's important to catch up with what's happening in the region and find out a bit more about out opponents. There is nothing better than seeing them live."
He said local players have played no football for the entire year, which will hamstring the team heading into World Cup qualifiers.
He said with the United Kingdom about to enter a month-long lockdown and the US also taking preventative measures, club will be extremely hesitant about releasing players.
"These club sides will not want players leaving outside a FIFA window. I'm gonna have to put a side together that's experienced and been around the block. There is no Pro League, there is no Super League. There is gonna be just four to five days (training) before my first (competitive) game.
"I've set up a WhatsApp group with local players and talents from overseas to try to bond but it's all futile until I get them on a training ground."
Fenwick held a recent meeting with national security officials and outlined his proposal.
But, he said, "Lots of people are speculating and with all due respect, I'm working hard behind the scenes on players' passports and other plans. We are trying to shortcut so when suspension is lifted we are ready to operate."
Fenwick listed a squad of 33 players to start training. He said the squad will be adjusted when overseas players become available.
Through the authorization of whom?
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As he get on that saddle, the horse could buck how much it want, he not letting go.. he have nothing else to do right now anyway, so might as well put on a good cowboys show, when the Covid fog clears, there will be only one cowboy left in the saddle, and thats who will be paid, back paid even. Rideem 🤠
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T&T mens team to resume training on Wednesday as...Fenwick seeks foreign-based talent for WC qualifiers.
By Jonathan Ramnanansingh (T&T Newsday).
THE continued prohibition of domestic club football by the Government has shrunk the chances of a locally-based professional player being called up to represent T&T at next years World Cup qualifiers in March.
Since the pandemic forced the shutdown of T&Ts two top-flight competitions TT Pro League and TT Super League eight months ago, local players have been unable to get in the required amount of training time.
However, several of T&Ts foreign-based footballers have already resumed training and competing at an elite level.
In this regard, national senior mens team coach Terry Fenwick has now opted to scout the majority of his future prospects from those who have returned to competition and are active players on the international circuit.
Although T&T is still indefinitely suspended from all football-related activity, Fenwick plans to utilise the December 7-17 international window to re-establish a connection with some of his potential selections.
Owing to the FIFA suspension, T&Ts senior team will be inactive during the window.
Were going into competitive games, World Cup qualifiers, totally unprepared. My staff and I will try our best to select the senior team from players playing in leagues elsewhere. Weve got no choice because the TT Pro League and Super League are still yet to resume.
With the local club football restrictions remaining in place, we would probably be limited to use locally-based players. So its not a bad call to use players that are currently playing in the bigger and better leagues around the world, he said.
Fenwick intends to track the progress of these foreign-based athletes by live-streaming the games they participate in to observe their performances.
Achieving a training camp with a combination of both local and foreign-based players would be difficult owing to global travel restrictions.
During the FIFA window, theres an opportunity to get them training. I will be looking at the foreign players, how they get on, Ill be checking them on several different sites that cover all games.
I will not see them face-to-face but I will be checking them out to pick the best players that are playing in best teams at the best levels. So when competitive games come around in March, weve got a team, he added.
According to the national coach, there are still players returning to T&T on expatriated flights from India, Central American and other regions. Their return home would also bolster the national team training squad given the Prime Ministers permission, on Saturday, to allow the full resumption of national team training in all sports.
Fenwick plans to host his first training session on Wednesday at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Mucurapo or at the St James Barracks training ground. Wednesdays session would include a light resumption to training followed by a full resurgence from November 23.
With FIFA now satisfied with the TT Football Associations decision to withdraw its appeal against it from the CAS, T&Ts chances of having its suspension lifted by or before December 18 have increased.
FIFA said it would lift the suspension when the TTFA fully complies with its obligations as a member of FIFA, including recognising the legitimacy of the committee and bringing its statutes into line with FIFAs.
If the suspension is not lifted by December 18, T&T could miss the 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup and the 2022 Qatar World Cup qualifiers.
Over the past eight months, local football has suffered tremendously owing to the pandemic. Fenwick said the legal wrangling between TTFA and the sports global governing body has only placed added pressure on an already challenging situation.
We hope for a revival. Were being dealt a shorthand. There are nations miles ahead of us as far as development and organisation. They dont have the bickering at the top that weve got across the board.
Theyre moving their game, sport and national teams on. Weve got to get back on that level as well.
With the Gold Cup in June 2021, by then, hopefully, we would have had two or three international windows so I can then get a good bearing on the players that we have available here in T&T and internationally.
By then you would expect the Pro League and Super league to be up and running. But thats not a guarantee and we cannot take any chances. Weve got to make sure were competitive when these games come around. Thats me and my staff planning ahead as we probably can, he concluded.
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No leadership: Fenwick still waiting to move on
By Roger Seepersad (T&T Express)
With no professional or amateur football played in Trinidad and Tobago since March, T&T mens senior team head coach Terry Fenwick is trying to get potential national players back into training as early as this week but insisted that it will be a tough road ahead for the sport in Trinidad.
The Covid-19 pandemic halted all sporting activities in Trinidad in March and football remains in limbo after the TTFA was suspended by FIFA after the TTFA executive challenged the appointment of FIFAs Normalisation Committee in the local court in Trinidad.
The TTFA have subsequently withdrawn legal proceedings against FIFA and the TTFA membership met and voted to accept the FIFA appointed Normalisation Committee however FIFA is yet to lift the suspension.
Fenwick said with no one at the helm of the TTFA, he is still awaiting guidance in terms of what is the next step for T&T football but while he waits, he will be trying to jump-start the sport with training sessions for locally based players as early as Wednesday this week after Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley gave the green light for national teams to resume training.
It (the road ahead for T&T football) is obviously going to be difficult, Fenwick told the Express yesterday.
I would like to thank the Prime Minister for recognising elite sports and national teams by lifting the ban so we can physically train but were still on a FIFA suspension, he explained.
As we are talking now, there is no leadership at the top. Were waiting for FIFA to both lift the suspension and reinstate the normalisation committee so we will have some leadership...those things are out of my hands obviously, he added.
Asked if he would have to get approval from the TTFA to put a training programme in place, Fenwick said: Thats the point.
There is nobody in charge. There is nobody in a position to give me any guidance or direction.
He said he has been in constant contact with locally-based and internationally-based players and that the locally-based players are frustrated at the moment.
I am in contact with these kids and its driving them nuts not being able to train.
They are watching football on the television every time they turn it on but there is no football in Trinidad, no training in Trinidad, he said.
So, I am trying to fast-track the best I can to get these kids to recognise that they are not on contract with clubs and If youre not playing for La Horquetta Rangers or Army, Police, then youre not on contract, he continued.
None of the other clubs have contracted their players, so these kids are not doing anything and this (playing football) is what they are trying to achieve as their career path.
I am trying the best I can and I recognise no one is being paid for months, so I am trying to get people to put up a bit of their time and their energy, expertise and knowledge to come and help me to get these players out and training again and try and shortcut to where we want to get to, he added.
Realistically, he said he might have to look at internationally based players to make up the core of the national team.
I am trying for Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and then start fresh again from next Monday and just ease them back into it because they havent trained for the least three or four months due to the lockdowns in Trinidad, said Fenwick.
I think realistically I will have to look at players playing in quality leagues around the world who are in training and playing in tournaments.
I will have to look in that direction for the World Cup qualifiers that come up in March, he added.
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Plenty pressure: Sancho sees huge fitness hurdle for coach Fenwick
By Roger Seepersad (T&T Express)
While the move to allow national teams to resume training was well received, former national footballer Brent Sancho said the senior mens football team head coach Terry Fenwick will have a huge fitness hurdle to overcome if they are to be ready for international competition.
On Saturday, Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley lifted the ban on national teams preparations for international competition, and Fenwick said that as early as Wednesday, he would like to have players in training.
The TTFA is still suspended from participating in FIFA competitions, including next years World Cup qualifiers however, Fenwick wants to get his players back in training so they will be as ready as they can be, once the FIFA suspension is lifted.
Yesterday, Sancho, acting chairman of the TT Pro League said the FIFA suspension will not affect the national teams training and preparations but pointed out that locally-based players will be behind the eight ball in terms of their preparation for international competition after playing very little football locally for 2020 due to the Covid-19 pandemic.
FIFA suspension is only aligned to international games against countries within FIFA. We can play international games against teams that are not part of FIFA. In terms of training and everything else, you are fine. In fact, we could have training from however long, but we had Covid-19 measures, so FIFA measures could not have stopped that, Sancho explained.
However, he said the lack of actual matches and fitness work will be a huge obstacle for Fenwick to overcome in the short space of time before the World Cup qualifiers and that player fitness would have been an issue for national teams even before Covid-19.
The Covid-19 measures are very specific as it relates to contact sports and if you go back to June or July where teams were in training preparing for Ascension league, that didnt happen because of the Covid-19 measures coming back into the play. Players would have then had to look after themselves in terms of their training regime and keeping themselves fit, said Sancho.
There is nothing any club could have done as it relates to training. There was nothing there and nothing put in place for obvious reasons, it was against the law but even when the season is going on, there are a lot of players who are just not fit enough, he argued.
A lot of our local players, all due respect to them, have a poor professional approach to the game and it is a situation that has ramifications all the way down to Secondary Schools football etc., because the bad habits that they exhibit from there coming all the way to the TT Pro League settings and then people expect the Pro League clubs to create miracles, Sancho continued.
Those behavioural patterns started a long time ago and to break something like that will take years of drilling something into these youngsters heads...I would be very surprised if any of the players are anywhere close to the fitness level required and even if they are close, fitness-wise, there is something called match-sharpness and match-fitness and they certainly wont be match-fit and match-sharp, he added.
Sancho said that if he was in Fenwicks position, he would, go out and get one of the best strength and conditioning coaches the world could provide to help with the local players and I would also create a large scouting network to open up the opportunities to recruit players who may be playing in the UK or America, who may have Trinidad heritage and who would have played a significant number of games (in foreign leagues).
Those two things I would look to do because again, all due respect to the local players, their match-fitness and match sharpness will not be anywhere close to where it needs to be to play international football and its not going to change now and its not going to change come March unless of course the Covid-19 restrictions are lifted in Trinidad and the professional league and other leagues could start and they could get a couple of games and even then, they would be short, Sancho continued.
The fitness issues are a massive hurdle for coach Fenwick to overcome and as I said, he needs to aggressively go after players outside and widen his player pool and look for players with Trini heritage (who are playing matches). Again, all due respect to the local players, but because of the fact that they havent played enough games here, you will be asking way too much of them, he concluded.
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Sounds like he OK, with that Wallace signing/decision/error/initiative. and like That is Dat. English was always the first language we studied, if not spoken....reminds of the white blue eyed baby boy born in a manger in the middle east that grew to be our saviour. :laugh:
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WATCH: With restrictions being lifted by Prime Minister Keith Rowley, Head Coach Terry Fenwick conducted his first training session with the Trinidad and Tobago Mens Senior Team in almost four months.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evAsZlKHmL4
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Downer: Fenwick has the right to call training.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).
FIFA has not banned the T&T Football Association (TTFA), former referee, and constitutional expert Osmond Downer said on Thursday as concerns have been raised regarding national coach Terry Fenwick conducting national training.
Concerns were raised on Thursday in the football fraternity about whether Fenwick, who was appointed by the TTFA as the head coach of the Soca Warriors team in December which is expected to participate in the CONCACAF Gold Cup and World Cup Qualifiers in March next year, had the power to call national training on Wednesday while the TTFA is on a suspension from the world governing body and there's not functioning executive to make decisions.
However, Downer told Guardian Media Sports that FIFA did not ban the TTFA but rather suspended the executive of the football association which comprises former president William Wallace, and vice presidents Clynt Taylor, Joseph Sam Phillip, and Susan Joseph-Warrick, saying all parts of the TTFA is functional.
"FIFA has not removed the T&TFA as a member of the FIFA. All FIFA has done originally by their letter of March 17th was to replace the executive of the T&TFA with the Normalisation Committee, but the T&TFA and its constitution have not been abolished by FIFA."
He added: "All FIFA has done is to ban the TTFA from the international game and so on, but it has not expelled the TTFA, so everything still exists except the elected executive, which originally was replaced by the normalisation committee. FIFA withdrew the normalisation committee and left only the chairman after Gobin's ruling, and then proceeded to suspend the TTFA."
He pointed out that, "The Referees Committee, which is appointed by the board according to the constitution, has been having its normal, regular Monday meetings, discussing refereeing business and referees training and all that. So nothing prevents Fenwick from carrying out his duties, keeping of course, in line with the coronavirus (COVID-19) restrictions. FIFA has not banned T&T from football. Fenwick is right, quite right to try his best to institute training, because jump high or jump low, I believe FIFA will remove the suspension and re-install the normalisation committee, " Downer explained.
He said everything that the FIFA requested was granted to them.
Howe, he believes that what is needed now is for FIFA to re-install the normalisation committee, which can go ahead with the business of the association.
Both Fenwick and his manager Basil Thompson have said on separate occasions that they will have to wait on the FIFA if things are to be back on track. Soon after Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley, on Saturday, announced that national teams could resume training, Thompson said he preferred to wait until the FIFA gave the all-clear.
Meanwhile, FIFA in a letter to normalisation committee chairman Robert Hadad two weeks ago, said it acknowledged the efforts made by the sport's general membership, as well as the Court of Appeal, and would respond toward lifting a suspension they handed the TTFA on September 24th, soon.
Downer said according to the constitution, all the committees were appointed by the Board legally before the normalisation committee came into being, and an important committee is the Technical Committee that exists.
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SO let me get this right....some of our intelligent people believe that without FIFA nobody can kick a football in Trinidad and Tobago ???......well yes, we good yes.
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Thirty-three resume senior men's football training.
By Jonathan Ramnanansingh (T&T Newsday).
THIRTY-THREE senior national footballers make a welcome return to team training, on Wednesday, at the St James Barracks ground from 9am.
The group will comprise of a majority of domestic club players who have been competitively inactive over the past seven months owing to the pandemic.
On Saturday, at a covid19 briefing, the Prime Minister said all national athletes can resume training at sporting facilities but must maintain all health protocols.
The returning players will undergo light training sessions in St James daily until Friday. From Monday, full team training gets underway at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Mucurapo.
Several foreign-based players, who recently returned to T&T, will also join in on Mondays training session as Fenwick begins his task of assessing and evaluating the best crop of athletes for the dawning 2021 season.
In March, T&T hope to commence its 2022 World Cup qualifying campaign while the Concacaf Gold Cup qualifiers kick off in June.
T&Ts participation at both events, however, remains dependent on if FIFA decides to lift the national associations indefinite suspension by December 18. On September 24, the TT Football Association (TTFA) was suspended due to grave violations of the FIFA Statutes.
Were going to resume with very light training sessions to pretty much see where the players fitness levels are. Weve got GPS trackers on-hand so we can go through the players over the next week just to see where they are before we commence properly on Monday, Fenwick said.
Since mid-March, team sports were shut down to minimise the spread of covid19. Local professional clubs competing in the TT Pro League and TT Super League have not been able to return to their respective clubs to train.
This lengthy downtime, according to Fenwick, serves as a major disadvantage for the returning bunch since they were restricted to mainly indoor physical training. With just a few months to prepare for major international tournaments, the English coach wants to hit the ground running in preparation for a hectic 2021 schedule.
As it stands, Fenwick believes his future national team selections depends on which foreign-based players are currently active and putting in the time in their respective league competitions.
Weve got to get back on track. People in the UK cannot travel and North America is clamping down so its not easy for anybody out there. We just go to get football up and running and recognise that theres a lot of local players that are not on contract or associated with clubs simply because the TT Pro League is not operational, he added.
Recently, several senior footballers returned to T&T from India, Central America and other parts of the world. There are, however, top players still currently competing at a high level such as striker Kevin Molino (Minnesota United FC/USA) and Sheldon Bateau (KV Mechelen/Belgium).
We need to do our best we possibly can to get them up to speed. Were in contact all the time and I make sure to connect with the players to make sure theyre ok.
Simple things like congratulating them for the goals they scored like Molino yesterday (Monday) scoring two for Minnesota.
Were doing our bit to keep in touch with them but recognising the covid19 virus has got everyone in a mess at this time, he concluded.
While the national coach was pleased to return to training, he reiterated that most national teams are miles ahead in their training regimen while T&T is playing catch up with no time to lose.
The media will only be invited to training sessions from Monday at Hasely Crawford Stadium.
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No Trinidad vs Tobago match until FIFA decides
By Jonathan Ramnanansingh (T&T Newsday)
The proposed football friendly between Trinidads senior footballers and those from Tobago has been shelved as national men's coach Terry Fenwick awaits, hopefully, FIFAs reappointment of the normalisation committee to manage T&T football.
Fenwick had proposed the practice match for the current FIFA international window to keep national players in some competitive action amid the current FIFA suspension.
FIFA gave the TTFA until December 18 to withdraw all its legal challenges against the governing body and get its statutes in accordance with FIFA's. The former was done by former president William Wallace after TTFA members last month voted overwhelmingly to reject his presidency and accept the normalisation committee.
Itching to get his players on the field for the first time since his appointment in December 2019, Fenwick proposed a Tobago versus Trinidad friendly. He was also eyeing a friendly against Grenada around November 28-29, if FIFA lifted the ban. FIFA World Cup qualifiers kick off in March 2021 and a spot in the Gold Cup could also be stripped from T&T if the ban is not lifted.
Fenwick said on Sunday, First things first, were hoping that the normalisation committee is reappointed by FIFA to run T&Ts football. This is important for us to have some direction at the top. From there, once we can speak to the powers that be, all we would need is some sort of financing to get it done. We have no choice but to take it one step at a time.
On November 4, FIFA acknowledged the TTFA memberships decision to accept the normalisation committee. FIFA said it welcomed the decision and was assessing the matter internally.
Fenwick remains cautiously optimistic FIFAs decision would be a speedy one to facilitate a return to normalcy between the local association and the international body.
I think its just a matter of FIFA having time to sit down, discuss and make a decision on it. I dont think its a big thing I hope not, anyway. Were hoping that before the end of this week we would have some sort of direction. We can only hope, he said.
On Monday, at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Mucurapo, Fenwick resumes full team training with locally-based players and some who recently returned from their respective international club duties.
The English-born coach was allowed to hold training at the St James Barracks grounds last week after the Prime Minister gave elite sporting teams permission.
Fenwick expects a group of 30 enthusiastic players ready to train.
Next weeks sessions would be a bit more intense, but were not rushing it. Theres no football on the ground in TT so well take our time, get the players right. Were right smack in the middle of the last FIFA (international) window before World Cup qualifiers, which is a big disappointment for us, he said.
Fenwick said there is still a lot of work to be done.
Last weeks light training sessions went very well. We could see some of these guys havent played or done anything for a number of months because of the local restrictions weve had. Fitness levels were a long way off.
But the sessions were good. They looked like they were enjoying the work that we were doing. We kept it light but were looking forward to this coming week where we can step it up a notch. Were training Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday this week.
Fenwick also lamented not being able to train with more foreign-based players.
Theres a lot of the players Id like to include in my World Cup (qualifying) squad and because of the travel restrictions and the FIFA suspension Im limited in this regard. All of my staff have worked diligently in the background with players that are overseas.
We have been tracking down new faces and trying to bring better quality into the national squad. Were going to need it because we literally might have just one full training session with these guys before World Cup qualifiers.
He said amidst the myriad of challenges the management just has to push through.
Its very unfortunate and unfair in this respect, but weve got to do what we can with the hand that weve been dealt. Were working hard on several passports to have them done before years end. Even then, weve got lots of hold-ups in Government and government agencies. Were just doing what we can.
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Terry-ball, or nothing
By Joel Bailey (Newsday).
TERRY Fenwick, coach of the T&T mens football team, has adopted a strict approach to get the players up to the required fitness standard for international football.
Fenwick held a training session with the mens squad at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo on Monday.
(Monday) morning, it was tough and hard work for them on the training field, Fenwick said. Its me getting into their minds, recognising Ive got a different mindset, different upbringing to them.
Its going to be very disciplined.
Theyve got to play the game how I want. Otherwise theyre out. I want them all to do well. We want to get T&T football back on track. But we need some tough love to make sure they recognise were serious.
The ex-San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC coach was pleased with the individual work the players have done since the first covid19 lockdown in March.
In the early stages, we had them all on a Zoom fitness class, Fenwick said. We were watching them work as we had our trainer (doing) a session daily. Their fitness levels are not bad.
However, Fenwick said, Their game fitness is miles away. Theyve not played any football, so there is a big difference right there. Thats what weve got to shortcut.
Training sessions will take place this week at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo.
Fenwick said a few overseas-based players were involved in Mondays session, including veteran goalkeeper Marvin Phillip, defenders Robert Primus and Jelani Peters.
Theyve added their experience and knowledge. Weve got a lot of young players that are just not playing football because football is stone-dead, as we speak, in T&T. The younger players are getting good information from some of these kids coming in, and recognising that (Kevin) Molino and (Khaleem) Hyland will be back in the next (few) weeks. I want to get them out with the youngsters. That is invaluable to me as a coach, to get those guys blending with the youths.
Hes eager to have the players involved in a few warm-up matches within the next few weeks.
Weve got to get games, against local competition. We are miles away from most of the Caribbean islands that have been playing domestic league games and international friendlies.
For me, its fast-tracking to where we can. These guys need fitness first, structure and organisation before we go into games, because weve got to learn. Theyve got to go into every game with a game-plan, theyve got to understand that were in this together.
Its not about individual stars. We need to be competing as a team, in a well-structured manner. Once weve had three to four games here in Trinidad, well then start looking at the possibility of other Caribbean islands as early as December.
Videos
Marvin Phillip keen to get on with Training (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjNSiLOvAKI&fbclid=IwAR1fLKm6YxDHw6jg66ig7lBFoaHK-DHtMvmydPZwgAHwF74VEV_GZvhxWKk)
Men's Senior Team return to the Training Pitch (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evAsZlKHmL4)
Norway-based goalkeeper Frenderup ready to put on the gloves for T&T (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63f6p2hzz8U)
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No Trinidad vs Tobago match until FIFA decides
By Jonathan Ramnanansingh (T&T Newsday)
The proposed football friendly between Trinidads senior footballers and those from Tobago has been shelved as national men's coach Terry Fenwick awaits, hopefully, FIFAs reappointment of the normalisation committee to manage T&T football.
Fenwick had proposed the practice match for the current FIFA international window to keep national players in some competitive action amid the current FIFA suspension.
FIFA gave the TTFA until December 18 to withdraw all its legal challenges against the governing body and get its statutes in accordance with FIFA's. The former was done by former president William Wallace after TTFA members last month voted overwhelmingly to reject his presidency and accept the normalisation committee.
Itching to get his players on the field for the first time since his appointment in December 2019, Fenwick proposed a Tobago versus Trinidad friendly. He was also eyeing a friendly against Grenada around November 28-29, if FIFA lifted the ban. FIFA World Cup qualifiers kick off in March 2021 and a spot in the Gold Cup could also be stripped from T&T if the ban is not lifted.
Fenwick said on Sunday, First things first, were hoping that the normalisation committee is reappointed by FIFA to run T&Ts football. This is important for us to have some direction at the top. From there, once we can speak to the powers that be, all we would need is some sort of financing to get it done. We have no choice but to take it one step at a time.
On November 4, FIFA acknowledged the TTFA memberships decision to accept the normalisation committee. FIFA said it welcomed the decision and was assessing the matter internally.
Fenwick remains cautiously optimistic FIFAs decision would be a speedy one to facilitate a return to normalcy between the local association and the international body.
I think its just a matter of FIFA having time to sit down, discuss and make a decision on it. I dont think its a big thing I hope not, anyway. Were hoping that before the end of this week we would have some sort of direction. We can only hope, he said.
On Monday, at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Mucurapo, Fenwick resumes full team training with locally-based players and some who recently returned from their respective international club duties.
The English-born coach was allowed to hold training at the St James Barracks grounds last week after the Prime Minister gave elite sporting teams permission.
Fenwick expects a group of 30 enthusiastic players ready to train.
Next weeks sessions would be a bit more intense, but were not rushing it. Theres no football on the ground in TT so well take our time, get the players right. Were right smack in the middle of the last FIFA (international) window before World Cup qualifiers, which is a big disappointment for us, he said.
Fenwick said there is still a lot of work to be done.
Last weeks light training sessions went very well. We could see some of these guys havent played or done anything for a number of months because of the local restrictions weve had. Fitness levels were a long way off.
But the sessions were good. They looked like they were enjoying the work that we were doing. We kept it light but were looking forward to this coming week where we can step it up a notch. Were training Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday this week.
Fenwick also lamented not being able to train with more foreign-based players.
Theres a lot of the players Id like to include in my World Cup (qualifying) squad and because of the travel restrictions and the FIFA suspension Im limited in this regard. All of my staff have worked diligently in the background with players that are overseas.
We have been tracking down new faces and trying to bring better quality into the national squad. Were going to need it because we literally might have just one full training session with these guys before World Cup qualifiers.
He said amidst the myriad of challenges the management just has to push through.
Its very unfortunate and unfair in this respect, but weve got to do what we can with the hand that weve been dealt. Were working hard on several passports to have them done before years end. Even then, weve got lots of hold-ups in Government and government agencies. Were just doing what we can.
So hold on - If a Trinidad squad plays a Tobago squad that is considered an international friendly? wait nah but what the arse is this? Same country are we not?
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Before you talk friendlies- let's get some local interest and also build some internal competition for place on team
A series of-
North v south
North, South, Tobago
TnT locals versus Foreign eligible players
Then select an X1
For friendliest- home and away :
Venezuela - that will incite interest in TnT
Curaao
Guyana
India
Nigeria
Jamaica
Bangladesh
Samoa
Anguilla
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I think that what he is saying is that no arrangements should be made before the Normalization Committee has an input. Remember this would involve at minimum the cost of plane tickets between Trinidad and Tobago. Once money spending somebody has to sanction this.
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Terry Thrilled: FIFA lifts international suspension of TTFA
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express)
FIFA yesterday announced that Trinidad and Tobago is once again free to play international football by lifting the suspension it imposed on September 24.
The news has thrilled several members of the local football fraternity, among them senior mens national coach Terry Fenwick; TT Pro League acting chairman Brent Sancho; Clayton Morris, the former national team captain and Futsal coach; and boys Under-17 national coach Angus Eve.
Most affected, national coach Fenwick welcomed news that the suspension had been lifted, allowing his team to compete in early 2021 qualifiers for the Concacaf Gold Cup and Qatar 2022 FIFA World Cup. Concacaf had given T&T a December 18 deadline to have the ban lifted or else face expulsion from June 2021 Gold Cup qualifiers.
Thank God it had been removed, Fenwick declared, the news coming two days after his 61st birthday.
Today is a big landmark decision for us, stated Fenwick, a defender for England at the 1986 FIFA World Cup. Am pleased we are in a position (to compete internationally) and am looking forward to working with the management moving forward, Fenwick stated.
Its one step at a time. I am hoping that the football fraternity across the board in Trinidad and Tobago can come together for the benefit of the youngsters in the country and move the game on, he added.
Its been removed at the end of what was our last window for practice games before World Cup qualifiers. We are lagging behind the rest of the region, everywhere else they are playing football. There are development programmes all continuing and we are at a standstill.
FIFA suspended the TTFA on the September 24 Republic Day holiday, for breach of FIFA statutes when the former TTFA executive led by president William Wallace went to a domestic court to challenge FIFAs March 17 decision to replace them with its own management (normalisation) committee. FIFA rules state that the Switzerland-based Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) is the only venue to hear disputes with its member associations. Yesterday, FIFA issued a release officially lifting its suspension of T&T.
The TTFA membership rights have been reinstated and TTFA representative and club teams are again entitled to take part in international competitions. The TTFA may also benefit from development programmes, courses and training provided by FIFA and/or Concacaf. Moreover, FIFA member associations may again enter into sporting contact with the TTFA and/or its teams, the governing body stated.
The members of the TTFA normalisation committee, which was installed by decision of the Bureau of the FIFA Council on 17 March 2020, will proceed with their duties. FIFA regrets the stances and actions taken by the members of the removed executive committee, which negatively impacted all aspects of Trinidad and Tobago football, the release added.
Earlier, the normalisation committee issued a release, through chairman Robert Hadads assistant Ameer Mohammed, indicating its part in having the suspension lifted.
The normalisation committee recently held fruitful discussions with FIFA and we are pleased to deliver the good news that the Trinidad and Tobago Football Associations suspension will be lifted and its membership rights in FIFA will be reinstated in time for Trinidad and Tobago to compete in the 2021 Gold Cup and the 2022 FIFA World Cup Qualifiers.
This could not happen without the decisive contributions by numerous T&T stakeholders in signalling their desire for a new chapter for football in our country. However, we have a long way to go, and there is a lot of work to be done to ensure that this return to competitive action, in all age categories, is sustainable.
Pro League representative Sancho, Eve and Morris were all pleased with the ban being lifted but not surprised.
I think it was inevitable, Eve said. They (FIFA) gave us so many chances. I never really thought they wanted to ban us totally, and once the court case and matters were taken out of that domain, I always believed we were going to make the December 18 deadline (for Concacaf Gold Cup qualifiers).
Sancho also felt that once the majority of TTFA delegates instructed Wallace and his executive to withdraw legal action from the Trinidad and Tobago High Court, then the suspension would have been lifted. The suspension coming to an end is good for Trinidad and Tobago football, Sancho said. Now the healing process needs to start ASAP.
Morris added: Its not a surprise, but its a good feeling to know that we are free to participate in international competition. Its the dream of every footballer to play at the highest level of the sport.
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Fenwick eyes 3 friendlies before qualifiers
By Narissa Fraser (T&T Newsday).
FIFA's lifting of the suspension of the TT Football Association (TTFA) on Thursday comes as a relief to national men's coach Terry Fenwick. The decision paves the way for T&T to compete in the 2021 CONCACAF Gold Cup and begin their campaign for the 2022 FIFA World Cup.
On Thursday, Fenwick told Newsday he was "relieved the matter was over."
He said, "Its great news for football in T&T. We want to get on with the game, we want to be competing in tournaments, and (the lifting of the suspension) was the only way forward. Im looking forward to meeting the normalisation committee and talking about positive things rather than the negatives.
Had this suspension not been lifted by December 18, T&T would have been replaced by Antigua/Barbuda for the Gold Cup and would not have been able to participate in the qualifiers.
But the timing of FIFA's decision to lift the ban leaves the English-born coach still with a big headache. There are no more FIFA international windows until March 2021, when World Cup qualifiers begin. T&T will face Montserrat on July 2 in the Gold Cup qualifiers.
Appointed in December 2019, Fenwick is yet to see his team play an official match. The covid19 pandemic and FIFA wrangling crippled all his plans.
In an interview with Newsday on Friday, Fenwick said he is hoping his men can play at least three friendly matches before the end of the year. As the matches are outside the FIFA window, Fenwick will have to rely mostly on locally-based players as foreign clubs are not mandated to release their players. The Pro League and Super League are on hold due to covid19.
Fenwick said he had invited normalisation committee chairman Robert Hadad to one of the team's training sessions and introduced him to the team.
He is expected to send a proposal to Hadad on Monday, "that will outline the possibility, because nothing is guaranteed because of covid19, that there be some friendlies before the end of the year."
He said he cannot name the proposed opponents at this time, but he hopes the matches can be held in a "bubble," similar to the 2020 staging of the Caribbean Premier League (CPL).
He said this proposal must first be approved by Hadad, and then it will be sent to the government for its approval.
"We just got back to training. All the other national teams have been training non-stop over this period of time. It's going to be very difficult but we've got some very good talent out there," he said.
Fenwick had previously proposed a friendly between Trinidad and Tobago.
The TTFA was banned on September 24 as its ousted executive refused to drop a legal challenge against FIFA from the local court.
The ousted executive had challenged FIFA's decision to remove it and appoint a normalisation committee to run T&T football.
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Teflon Terry takes centre stage, Fenwick emerges stronger from United TTFA collapse.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).
Trinidad and Tobago Mens National Senior Team head coach Terry Fenwick looks set to benefit from increased powers, as the Soca Warriors start preparation for their Qatar 2022 World Cup qualifying campaign in earnest under the supervision of Fifa-appointed normalisation committee chairman Robert Hadad.
The Warriors are drawn in Group F of a preliminary Concacaf bracket alongside St Kitts and Nevis, Guyana, Puerto Rico, Bahamas. Only the winners advance to a two-legged play-offs, and then an eight team final qualifying round for the World Cup.
Covid-19 pandemic permitting, the Warriors are scheduled to play their first competitive game at an unspecified date in March. Hadad, the co-CEO of family business HadCo Limited, must provide the logistical support for that thrust.
Hadad was initially appointed to run local football affairs on 27 March, two weeks after Fifa announced the removal of Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president William Wallace and his vice-presidents. However, his tenure was interrupted by a court order in September and then an international suspension, which Fifa lifted on Thursday 19 November.
Hadad since hinted at his immediate plans for the national set-up to I95.5FM; and Fenwicks needs appear to be the immediate priority.
We are going to definitely have to sit down and have discussions around the current coaching staff, said Hadad, and this has been said to them already about what their roles are. We may have to tweak some and rearrange some, but I do not want to commit to what that would look like now.
Terry Fenwick has done a great job of getting the mens national team back out on the field Hopefully, Terry will be able to put together a team [] and we will take a look at who he wants to form the coaching team around him.
Team manager Captain Basil Thompson, who came in for fierce criticism from Commissioner of Police Gary Griffithan avid supporter and patron of the football programmeis expected to be vulnerable in any staff shake-up.
Thompson was appointed by the previous Keith Look Loy-led technical committee and was not Fenwicks choice. The soldier does not appear to have won the head coachs confidence over the last 11 months.
Otherwise, Fenwick may be allowed to bolster his backroom staff without letting anyone go.
His predecessor, Dennis Lawrence, had a 12-man technical staff which included: Sol Campbell, Stuart Charles-Fevrier, Stern John (assistant coaches), Ross Russell (goalkeeper coach), Riedoh Berdien (fitness conditioning coach), Israel Dowlat (team doctor), Dave Isaac (paramedic), Saron Joseph (massage therapist), Stephen Bradley (evaluation science GPRS), Matthew Hawkes (match analyst), and Michael Williams (equipment manager).
In stark contrast, Fenwick got a five-member support staff with Derek King and Kelvin Jack as assistants, Michael Williams as equipment manager, Oswin Birchwood as trainer and Thompson as manager. Jack was expected to double up as goalkeeper coach.
However, since then, Police FC youth team coach Keon Trim and ex-St Augustine Secondary coach Adrian Romain have regularly supported the former England World Cup defender at national training sessions. Both worked with Fenwick previously at his private coaching school, Football Factory.
Mens National Under-15 Team head coach Keith Jeffrey, who is also the San Juan Jabloteh technical director, has also been a regular at Fenwicks practices where Clayton Ince often fills in as goalkeeper coachwith Jack still in England and awaiting a travel exemption.
Romain is believed to be Fenwicks first choice as team manager with Trim also likely to be included as an assistant coach. It is left to be seen whether Jeffreys current promotion will be made permanent too.
One school of thought is that Fenwick should have been allowed to select his backroom staff in the first place.
Look Loys technical structure saw his committee control all appointments, subject to board approval. Coaches were left to petition for changes to their staffsas was the case when King replaced National Under-20 Team trainer, Trey Hart, with Saron Joseph.
Hadads apparent desire to give Fenwick a freer hand in determining his staff is closer to established practice, and therefore more of a reset than a revolution.
Still, there is some irony that Fenwicks stock appears to be on the rise when it was the Englishman and his shady compatriot and friend, Peter Miller, who helped to erode Wallaces moral authority in the first place.
Almost every financial scandal suffered by Wallace involved Fenwick or Millerand sometimes bothwith SportsMaxs expose of the coachs secret contract arguably being the beginning of the end for the former TTFA president.
Last January, the TTFA board instructed Look Loy to offer Fenwick a contract worth US$17,500 (TT$118,800) per month, with a pay rise to US$20,0000 (TT$135,800) a month once the Warriors secured qualification for the 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup.
If Trinidad and Tobago advanced to the Gold Cup quarterfinal round, the TTFA would be obliged to give Fenwick a two year contract extension at the same pay.
However, privately, Fenwick requested (and received from Wallace) a starting salary of US$20,000 (TT$135,800) per month with an increase to US$25,000 (TT$169,000) once the team qualifies for the Gold Cup. There were also additional perks such as private medical insurance for his daughter and a suitable phone, laptop and a motor car with all associated costs, such as insurance, maintenance, and fuel, borne by the TTFA.
Crucially, the Englishmans second contractsigned off by Wallace but unseen by the boardincluded an automatic two-year extension for merely qualifying for the Gold Cup.
Wallace claimed he signed the contract in error and did not know that Fenwick had changed the terms. Fenwick has not spoken publicly on the issue but refused to alter the deal after the fact.
In short, the TTFA board had challenged Fenwick to not only get to the Gold Cup but to defeat two teams from Mexico, El Salvador and Curaao to keep his job until December 2023.
But Fenwicks current terms mean the Warriors must only defeat Montserrat and either Cuba or French Guiana for the Englishman to get an extension.
No Trinidad and Tobago Mens National Senior Team head coach has kept his job for four years, with Conrad Brathwaite (1965-67), Zoran Vranes (1994-96), Bertille St Clair (1997-2000), Russell Latapy (2009-11), Stephen Hart (2013-16), and Lawrence (2017-19) all lasting roughly three years.
Fenwick should fancy his chances of bettering them, even without the slate that helped put him in charge of the TTFAs flagship team.
The United TTFA slate that contested the TTFA elections last November comprised, on paper, of Wallace, his TTFA vice-presidents Clynt Taylor, Susan Joseph-Warrick and Sam Phillip, and Anthony Harford and Look Loy. Neither Harford nor Look Loy ran for elected office.
However, Fenwick, Miller and general secretary Ramesh Ramdhan were always there in the background, after they promised Wallace that they would find the finances necessary to get the TTFA out of debt.
Fifa president and Bureau of the Fifa Council chairman Gianni Infantino claimed the absence of a viable debt reduction plan and a solid financial structure in the TTFA prompted the global body to remove Wallace in Marchalthough high court judge Carol Gobin ruled otherwise.
Since Fifas intervention, Wallace, Harford, Joseph-Warrick and Look Loy resigned from the helm of the Secondary Schools Football League (SSFL), Northern FA (NFA), Womens League of Football (WoLF) and the Trinidad and Tobago Super League (TTSL) respectively, while the entire boardinclusive of the president and vice-presidentswere forced to vacate their posts.
Hadad also suspended Ramdhan.
Taylor, the Central FA general secretary, appears to be the only United TTFA member who has retained an administrative role within a local stakeholder body.
However, at TTFA level, the 60-year-old Fenwick remains the last man standing.
A Pro League champion with San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC, the outspoken Englishman may yet emerge from the messy leadership transition even stronger, in the absence of Look Loy and his technical committee.
A win apiece over the unheralded Montserrat and either Cuba and French Guiana would secure Fenwick an extension worth TT$4.9 million over two and a half years.
It looks to be the era of Teflon Terry.
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However, privately, Fenwick requested (and received from Wallace) a starting salary of US$20,000 (TT$135,800) per month with an increase to US$25,000 (TT$169,000) once the team qualifies for the Gold Cup. There were also additional perks such as private medical insurance for his daughter and a suitable phone, lap
Could someone explain how this ludicrous contract came to be? What was this 20K us a month based on? For a coach who has never coached a national team ?
How does this compare to what D Lawerence was paid a month or S Hart or Benhakker?
Could a contract for a non international coach without experience be established at a lower figure and if the team achiev success from qualifiers you add salary based on outcomes? You qualify for Gold Cupor World Cup and you get justifiable increase. But you start off at 20K us a month for never coaching a national team is madness in my opinion.
For TF is like a coaching lottery- little risk - yuh getting an opportunity to launch an international carrier- expectations with all the bull crap is a perfect scenario to justify that the odds are stacked against you in preparing for success- yuh contract in hand - who is the loser here? I mean what kind of dunce head move was that? For that kinda money the TTFA could have established a solid coaching structure-
Dennis Lawerence Terry Fenwick coaches Stephen Hart Technical director to start with.
Well I see no justification in paying 20k at the onset - not saying he is not worthy of merit for an opportunity to coach but not at that price.
Then again rumor had it that Tallman was on the payroll as a scout😊😊😊😊👍🏿Good move that one
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Fenwick: Maradona ruined my career in 90 minutes
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday)
FORMER England defender and current coach of the T&T mens football team Terry Fenwick has hailed legendary Argentine footballer Diego Maradona as the greatest ever.
Maradona, 60, died on Wednesday in Argentina after a heart attack. He was discharged from hospital weeks ago after a successful brain surgery. Arguably the greatest footballer of all time, the Argentine had health complications for a number of years.
Maradona made his full international debut at age 16, against Hungary, in 1977.
He was immortalised in world football after leading Argentina to the 1986 World Cup title in Mexico. He ended his career with 34 international goals in 91 appearances. His most memorable goal came against England in the quarter-finals of the 1986 World Cup, dribbling from his own half past several English players to score a sensational solo effort.
Fenwick, who was one of the Englishmen unable to stop Maradona that day, said on Wednesday, I think he is the greatest that I have ever seen, absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt. He (has) done everything. He was invincible.
Fenwick added, "He was capable of doing unbelievable things. He is still on record as scoring the best-ever goal in world football, which was against England the second goal in the 2-1 win that they had."That match also included the infamous Hand of God goal scored by Maradona. The former Argentina captain punched the ball past England goalkeeper Peter Shilton and into the net. The handball was not spotted by the referee or linesmen, and the goal stood.
Fenwick said it took him several years to let go of the bitter feelings surrounding that goal.
"The Hand of God goal where all Englishmen see him as a cheat...should not have stood, but as a player that played against him, he ruined my international career within 90 minutes that day. Not until many years later I recognised, 'Oh my God, Terry, you just played against the best player the world has ever seen in football.' And that's what he was, he was an unbelievable talent."
Fenwick added, It is obviously a very sad daywhen youve got somebody that is the best at their business in the world they are always controversial, and this is a guy thats had his issues off the field, but the beauty and the talents that he presented on the field of play."
During an illustrious career, Maradona played for several prestigious clubs, including Barcelona, Napoli and Boca Juniors.
Fenwick said he transformed the clubs he represented. He went to Barcelona that was mid-tableand he won the title. He went to Napoli, Italy that werent even on the map as far as football was concerned in Italy and won the title.
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Fenwick, Soca Warriors up against it.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).
National coach Terry Fenwick and his players have been swimming against the tide, with preparation for the CONCACAF Gold Cup and FIFA World Cup Qualifiers literally around the corner.
Fenwick laments the poor state of the sport, which was caused by a nine-month battle between the T&T Football Association (TTFA) and FIFA, the sport's world governing body, as well as the COVID-19 pandemic, which had brought sports to a halt in countries around the world.
Still, however, with football taking place in various countries for the past months, there has been no ease for Fenwick and his men.
The Warriors will contest Group F in the early round of the FIFA World Cup qualifiers, where matches against Saint Kitts/Nevis, Guyana, Puerto Rico, and the Bahamas await them in a round-robin format.
The matches will be played within the FIFA match windows of March 2021 and the first FIFA match window of June 2021. Apart from the T&T Group, there will also be action in groups A, B, C, D, and E at the same time.
On Saturday, Fenwick said it is not going to be easy.
"It's going to be difficult for us because of the issues and problems we experienced over the 12 months. It hasn't been easy, it hasn't been good for T&T football. Every other country in the world has had domestic leagues running and national teams playing friendlies and competitive games, where we have just not done anything.
"So it's tough on my players, my staff but we are working assiduously in the background, trying to get things moving again."
For the CONCACAF Gold Cup, the Soca Warriors will begin against Montserrat in one of six preliminary-round matches between July 2-6 to secure one of the three remaining spots for the Group Stage which gets underway, four days later.
Should T&T get past Montserrat, they will face the winner of the clash between Cuba and French Guiana in the second round, for a place in Group A of the competition where the likes of reigning champion Mexico, El Salvador, and Curacao will await them.
The English-born coach who has had successful stints with local clubs San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC is hoping that the FIFA-appointed Normalisation Committee will come to their assistance.
He said, "We're hoping that the normalisation committee knows that they've got their position sorted out, so they can give us that support that we need to move the game forward and make sure that we are competitive when these games come around."
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Fenwick happy with Guyana home opener
T&T Express Reports.
Trinidad and Tobago will have an opening match against neighbours Guyana after Concacaf confirmed the schedule for the regional qualifiers for the Qatar 2022 FIFA World Cup on Friday.
On paper, the opening round draw would seem ideal, with the Soca Warriors playing possibly their two strongest Group F matches against the Guyanese and St Kitts & Nevis at home, while having to go away to Bahamas and Puerto Rico.
Immediately, mens senior coach Terry Fenwick recognised the importance of beginning the series at home. T&T and Guyana last played to a 1-1 draw at the Concacaf Gold Cup, despite the Warriors dominating and missing several good chances when coached by former national coach Dennis Lawrence.
Being at home in the opening game is good and we will prepare as best as possible for this first game against Guyana which we know has a bit of history with Trinidad and Tobago and will certainly be no pushovers, Fenwick said. Matter of fact, no team will be a walkover in these qualifiers.
T&T host Guyana on March 25, 2021, before meeting Puerto Rico on March 28. In June, the series continues with T&T traveling to Bahamas on June 5 before hosting St Kitts & Nevis on June 8. Should T&T top the group, they will advance to a two-leg playoff against the winners of Group A which contains El Salvador, for a spot in the eight-team final round of Concacaf qualifying.
Fenwick found the schedule both timely and informative.
Its a bit of important information for us at this stage as it relates to the schedule of the World Cup qualifiers. We knew the teams before but now we know exactly what were going to face, stated Fenwick, who now hopes that everything will be put in place to facilitate a successful qualifying series.
With this schedule before us now, it tells you how important it was for us to have gotten the suspension lifted and having the normalisation committee in charge of our football. I know for a fact that chairman Robert Hadad and the rest of the normalisation committee are at work and are putting things together for us to be able to breathe a bit easier and for all the right conditions to be in place for our teams. Im grateful that wed been able to restart training last month and now we can look forward to executing our plans ahead of March, Fenwick said.
The Jaguars will be led in this campaign by journeyman Brazilian coach Mrcio Mximo Barcellos, who once steered the Brazil National under-17 and Under-20 Teams and coached former stand-out defender Marvin Andrews at Scotland Premier League club, Livingston.
Only the winning nation advances from Group F with the other teams being immediately eliminated.
(Trinidad and Tobagos Group F schedule)
Trinidad and Tobago v Guyana, 25 March,
Puerto Rico v Trinidad and Tobago, 28 March;
Bahamas v Trinidad and Tobago, 5 June;
Trinidad and Tobago v St Kitts and Nevis, 8 June.
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Hand of God spirit-lash
By Debra Greaves (T&T Newsday)
AS TOLD TO BC PIRES
My name is Terry Fenwick and I was the last English defender Diego Maradona passed in the 1986 World Cup quarter-final to score the most famous goal in football.
In Trinidad, I see a lot in common with the small mining town near Sunderland in England, where I come from. Back doors were left open. One street would play football against the next street. All families knew each other.
Yes, the climate is very different, but the communities are very similar. They look after themselves, watch one anothers backs and want the best for their kids.
Thats very warming to me, as an Englishman living here.
In Trinidad, Im from Maraval and I love it.
Ive lived most of my 21 years here in Maraval.
My daughter, Remi Grace Fenwick, keeps me ticking. Shes four and a half, going on 24. Shes very, very bright no doubt takes after her mum, Reyna Kowlessar. Shes 100-mile-an-hour.
She spends three or four nights a week with me. Thats covid entertainment right there.
Remi is my first daughter. Ive got two grownup sons from a previous. Two great lads. George is a director of Credit Suisse, working out of Hong Kong. Nicholas runs the whole trading floor for Standard Chartered in London. Nicholas is looking to retire next March, when hell be 36. So hes better off than a footballer!
Thank God both my boys love Trinidad, so I get them here regularly.
I left home at 15-and-a-half. Got on a train by myself at Newcastle station, got picked up at Kings Cross in London.
I was homesick like you wouldnt believe the first year. I moved past that, made friends (and settled in as a young professional) at Crystal Palace.
Ive travelled every inch of Trinidad and Tobago, football grounds all over, back alleys, parks.
And been welcomed everywhere Ive gone.
I first came to Trinidad on January 4, 2000, recommended by Sir Bobby Robson (as prospective new coach of) San Juan Jabloteh.
The climate, then you hit the beaches and met the people, and its Carnival season, the fetes going right through the night and you have to work the next day.
It was quite amazing in comparison to the UK, where it was bloody freezing, and not that long ago, pubs closed at 11 pm and then you had to go home!
Jennys on the BoulevardTGI Fridaysthe Pelican. It was, like, wow!
I knew the job I was taking on was nothing more than a development programme. We call it the Pro League in Trinidad, but its far from professional.
Id like to say loads of nice things about the Pro League but its actually got worse the longer Ive been here. Its in a mess as we speak. No leadership.
Corporate Trinidads got no confidence to put any money in there. Government are fed up of putting in the subvention.
There I was in my brand new X5 thank you, Clico in Morvant, stopped in the middle of nowhere. I had to climb 50 yards up a grass bank to get to my players house. Which was a shack. No glass in any of the windows, just a piece of rag hanging down. Brothers, sisters, family all round him.
A starting player in the World Cup side was coming home to this! I was gobsmacked.
It was amazing to me that Lawrence Duprey gave us two grade II houses at the Crossings, a Clico development (for two players from very poor backgrounds. With the condition that) these houses could never be sold, only passed down to their family. Cause they would sell them tomorrow and the money would be gone.
This way, whether they rent, they will have an income, whether they live there, they will have a sound roof over their heads.
I took my whole team to Queens Hall to watch a play. Made them bring their girlfriends and wear a jacket and tie. Which some of em had to borrow.
We done a lot of things away from football which was developing their mentality. Take them outside of their experience. So they could recognise the outside world.
In 21 years, Ive had maybe two thefts of mobile phones in the dressing room.
If BC Pires says to me, Congratulations on your appointment as national coach, I say Thank you very much! Can you help me to get paid now?
At the end of this month, itll be a whole year without being paid.
Im trying to limit my national squad to ages 16-21. The average age of the English national team today is 22.
In the World Cup qualifiers in 2018, the youngest player on the TT team was 27! The oldest squad in world football!
Unfortunately, in Trinidad, we hang on to college league football, probably the best supported football in the country.
In Europe, there are young professionals at age 14, 15. Marcus Rashford, eg, has played for three-and-a-half seasons for Manchester United and hes still only 21! Hes going to become another legend because of the games hes played.
We just havent got that.
Ive got 69 kids out on scholarships overseas, 88 players outside on professional contracts now. Miles more than anybody else.
But I keep my nose down. At the end of the day, Im still the Englishman in the pack.
I practised like you wouldnt believe to make myself a professional footballer but, where I grew up, there were players who played in the backstreets with me that were much better. Thats where I relate.
Maradona. He was a street fighter. If you boshed him, he would come back harder. He had that bad mind. as we say in Trinidad. I was in awe of bad-mind as bad as that.
I tried to stop him in the 1986 World Cup quarter-final. People wont remember now, because its a long time ago, but he was off the field for nearly four-and-a-half minutes. Concussion. Through a clash with me. I thought, thats Diego Maradona finished!
Only to see him warming up to come back on again! I thought, my God, what have I got to do? He was that good and that strong. He was nearly as wide as he was tall. Built like a pit bull, strong as an ox and skill sets I couldnt begin to imagine.
The English national team in the 80s, coached by Sir Bobby Robson, structured, organised, we were a tough team to beat. We were the first European side to beat Brazil in Brazil through that great John Barnes goal.
But after the Hand of God goal, we fell apart. It was such a shock to us.
(Goalkeeper Peter) Shilton and myself saw the handball. Any other player in the world but Maradona would have kept their head down and saw the game out. Because they would have been worried about the Hand of God coming down on them after the game!
But hes not worried about that. Give me the ball, Im going to score again! And he did.
My favourite colour is probably red. Because Trinis wear red.
Ive still got a Union Jack, still hang on to my British roots, but my house is white with red everywhere. I just think, Trinidad is red.
Anywhere in the world you bounce up a Trini, theyre carrying the Trinidad flag. Might be on a keyring, a T-shirt, the national football shirt. They carry it everywhere with pride. Thats the love of the country.
Ive got all of that keyring, T-shirt, national team shirt and I take it all with me everywhere I travel.
When I go to England now, they call me Terry the Trini..
To me, a Trini is family and Trinidad and Tobago is a family.
In the UK, when youre 18, youre looking for your own apartment.
I love that families in Trinidad stay together longer. Theres a love and a passion and a commitment to family members here thats much better, much closer than the UK.
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I always wonder who are those mystery players terry want to bring on board that the public has no idea of ? To give the team a "shot in the arm"
we know of
Ryan Inniss (charlton athletic) out injured again
John bostock(unttached)
Nick deleon
Shaq moore
Rory mkenzie
Daniel Phillips(UNDER 20)
who are the others? Terry Fenwick say he has 23 foreign born ....time to find out .....Any strikers in the bunch ....
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Fenwick: T&T football team hampered by lack of $$
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday)
NATIONAL mens football team coach Terry Fenwick has said a lack of finances has affected preparations for his squad, as the qualifiers for the 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup and the 2022 FIFA World Cup loom.
Were moving ahead as best we can, but I think everybody recognises here, that weve worked for a complete year almost, without any funding whatsoever, said Fenwick, during an interview on Monday. We still havent had one red cent from the TTFA (T&T Football Association), from FIFA, nothing.
Fenwick said his own Football Factory had assisted the national training squad with equipment, while they have received drinks, water and ice from a few well-wishers.
Its only so far we can go, said the former San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC coach. A lot of the things that well like to do are subject to budgets that are not in our hands (but) the normalisation committee's. Were just awaiting word from them.
In March, FIFA removed the TTFA executive, headed by William Wallace, and implemented a normalisation committee, chaired by Robert Hadad, because of the mounting debts by the local governing body.
FIFA suspended T&T from international football in September, after Wallace and his executive challenged their removal in the local High Court, instead of the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in Switzerland. It lifted the suspension in November.
The T&T team resumed training a few weeks ago and were involved in a practice match against a "select team," coached by former T&T midfielder Travis Mulraine, at the Police Barracks, St James on Monday morning.
We won the game 8-0, against an older side, with an Under-23 team that I selected, said Fenwick. Were doing what we can within the (covid19) restrictions.
Its important that people recognise that were doing this without a budget, without any money. Its with the good intent of a lot of people, coaches included, that are turning up and helping out, without being paid.
Asked about the attitude of the players, bearing in mind the financial struggles, and the impending Christmas period, Fenwick replied, All of these kids have been training their socks off. Were trying the best we can for the TTFA, the normalisation committee, to give the kids a stipend, something to take home for Christmas.
Its been very difficult for myself and my staff because these kids have come out, theyve given their all. We (won Mondays game) because my players were efficient, strong and structured, and playing to a game plan. But were under pressure because we havent gotten a budget.
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Fenwick: T&T football team hampered by lack of $$
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday)
NATIONAL mens football team coach Terry Fenwick has said a lack of finances has affected preparations for his squad, as the qualifiers for the 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup and the 2022 FIFA World Cup loom.
Were moving ahead as best we can, but I think everybody recognises here, that weve worked for a complete year almost, without any funding whatsoever, said Fenwick, during an interview on Monday. We still havent had one red cent from the TTFA (T&T Football Association), from FIFA, nothing.
Fenwick said his own Football Factory had assisted the national training squad with equipment, while they have received drinks, water and ice from a few well-wishers.
Its only so far we can go, said the former San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC coach. A lot of the things that well like to do are subject to budgets that are not in our hands (but) the normalisation committee's. Were just awaiting word from them.
In March, FIFA removed the TTFA executive, headed by William Wallace, and implemented a normalisation committee, chaired by Robert Hadad, because of the mounting debts by the local governing body.
FIFA suspended T&T from international football in September, after Wallace and his executive challenged their removal in the local High Court, instead of the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in Switzerland. It lifted the suspension in November.
The T&T team resumed training a few weeks ago and were involved in a practice match against a "select team," coached by former T&T midfielder Travis Mulraine, at the Police Barracks, St James on Monday morning.
We won the game 8-0, against an older side, with an Under-23 team that I selected, said Fenwick. Were doing what we can within the (covid19) restrictions.
Its important that people recognise that were doing this without a budget, without any money. Its with the good intent of a lot of people, coaches included, that are turning up and helping out, without being paid.
Asked about the attitude of the players, bearing in mind the financial struggles, and the impending Christmas period, Fenwick replied, All of these kids have been training their socks off. Were trying the best we can for the TTFA, the normalisation committee, to give the kids a stipend, something to take home for Christmas.
Its been very difficult for myself and my staff because these kids have come out, theyve given their all. We (won Mondays game) because my players were efficient, strong and structured, and playing to a game plan. But were under pressure because we havent gotten a budget.
NOS@&&$$!??ht. check the salary they paying ah head coach albeit unproven at the national or international level!!!!!!
The man eh even win ah friendly but command that kinda money !!!!!
Fa&$$)(K. Doh come talking about the team eh have money
He monthly salary alone could subsidize the national team.
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Fenwick: T&T football team hampered by lack of $$
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday)
NATIONAL mens football team coach Terry Fenwick has said a lack of finances has affected preparations for his squad, as the qualifiers for the 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup and the 2022 FIFA World Cup loom.
Were moving ahead as best we can, but I think everybody recognises here, that weve worked for a complete year almost, without any funding whatsoever, said Fenwick, during an interview on Monday. We still havent had one red cent from the TTFA (T&T Football Association), from FIFA, nothing.
Fenwick said his own Football Factory had assisted the national training squad with equipment, while they have received drinks, water and ice from a few well-wishers.
Its only so far we can go, said the former San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC coach. A lot of the things that well like to do are subject to budgets that are not in our hands (but) the normalisation committee's. Were just awaiting word from them.
In March, FIFA removed the TTFA executive, headed by William Wallace, and implemented a normalisation committee, chaired by Robert Hadad, because of the mounting debts by the local governing body.
FIFA suspended T&T from international football in September, after Wallace and his executive challenged their removal in the local High Court, instead of the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in Switzerland. It lifted the suspension in November.
The T&T team resumed training a few weeks ago and were involved in a practice match against a "select team," coached by former T&T midfielder Travis Mulraine, at the Police Barracks, St James on Monday morning.
We won the game 8-0, against an older side, with an Under-23 team that I selected, said Fenwick. Were doing what we can within the (covid19) restrictions.
Its important that people recognise that were doing this without a budget, without any money. Its with the good intent of a lot of people, coaches included, that are turning up and helping out, without being paid.
Asked about the attitude of the players, bearing in mind the financial struggles, and the impending Christmas period, Fenwick replied, All of these kids have been training their socks off. Were trying the best we can for the TTFA, the normalisation committee, to give the kids a stipend, something to take home for Christmas.
Its been very difficult for myself and my staff because these kids have come out, theyve given their all. We (won Mondays game) because my players were efficient, strong and structured, and playing to a game plan. But were under pressure because we havent gotten a budget.
NOS@&&$$!??ht. check the salary they paying ah head coach albeit unproven at the national or international level!!!!!!
The man eh even win ah friendly but command that kinda money !!!!!
Fa&$$)(K. Doh come talking about the team eh have money
He monthly salary alone could subsidize the national team.
Yuh talking f00ckery !!!!!
He is the least paid coach for T&T in the past decade and he and all de other coaches in T&T eh get paid yet, over a year now and still Fenwick on de job, a local coach like Angus Eve woulda walkout already.
And he needs money to help the team and the players, any coach will need that.
I support Fenwick 100 percent, f00ck who vex.
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Fenwick, despite other worries, is one of the most successful coaches in the history of the Pro League, the man is qualified at least.
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Fenwick, despite other worries, is one of the most successful coaches in the history of the Pro League, the man is qualified at least.
I eh go say that 100%, in de time span he was there he was very successful and he did breakout plenty of good youths, he is also not bias with players selection and he is discipline, something he will instill in we local players.
Derek King and Stuart Charles was successful in de league to.
De difference with King and Charles is they was successful with teams who had money, Joe Public and W Connection.
Fenwick did with with Central FC, forget about Jabloteh, because at de time they had money when Fenwick was most successful, but Fenwick team was mainly based on YOUTHS.
Cornell Glen, Primus, Molino, Kelvin Jack, Aikim Andrews, Khaleem Hyland, Akiel Guevara, Elton John, Josh Johnson, Devon Mitchell, Noel Williams, Karlon Murray, Nigel Pierre, Kerry Noray, Guerra, Kerry Baptiste, Jason Marcano, Trent Noel, Cleon John, Nigel Daniel, Lester Peltier, Micah Lewis, Sheldon Bateau, Cyd Gray, Ian Gray, Uriah Bentick, Jamal Gay, Leston Paul, Willis Plaza, Elijah Manners, Cyrano Glen, Michael Celestine, Duarance Williams, Cordell Cato, etc etc.
Resurrecting Whitley, Keyeno Thomas, Travis Mulraine and Marvin Oliver
He also break in Angus Eve as a coach.
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Success in the pro league- check does that equals success at an international level? Does it warranty the salary he covertly negotiated?
How any other local coaches attained success but we're not awarded or paid that amount to coach the national team?
Why dint Hart or Lawerence bring himonstaff?
Bybeef is not with what he can potentially accomplish but on what he is actually been paid- I find it strange that no one sees the. Gross negligence in 20k us $$$ a month
I shutter tothink what Lawerence was being paid or Hart?
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Success in the pro league- check does that equals success at an international level? Does it warranty the salary he covertly negotiated?
How any other local coaches attained success but we're not awarded or paid that amount to coach the national team?
Why dint Hart or Lawerence bring himonstaff?
Bybeef is not with what he can potentially accomplish but on what he is actually been paid- I find it strange that no one sees the. Gross negligence in 20k us $$$ a month
I shutter tothink what Lawerence was being paid or Hart?
I don't know about salary, but we can't attract internationally successful managers, that must be obvious. In terms of "local" candidates - he is the most successful domestically, and in the absence of international success what else can we pick on? Fenwick ain't the personality to play second fiddle, so wouldn't ever accept a coach or assistant position.
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Success in the pro league- check does that equals success at an international level? Does it warranty the salary he covertly negotiated?
How any other local coaches attained success but we're not awarded or paid that amount to coach the national team?
Why dint Hart or Lawerence bring himonstaff?
Bybeef is not with what he can potentially accomplish but on what he is actually been paid- I find it strange that no one sees the. Gross negligence in 20k us $$$ a month
I shutter tothink what Lawerence was being paid or Hart?
Latapy was making 30,000 US a month and Lawrence was 20,000
What did they accomplished?
Stuart Charles, de same.
Fenwick is de best local coach for T&T right now and Derek King who is his assistant.
Good choice by Wallace.
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Success in the pro league- check does that equals success at an international level? Does it warranty the salary he covertly negotiated?
How any other local coaches attained success but we're not awarded or paid that amount to coach the national team?
Why dint Hart or Lawerence bring himonstaff?
Bybeef is not with what he can potentially accomplish but on what he is actually been paid- I find it strange that no one sees the. Gross negligence in 20k us $$$ a month
I shutter tothink what Lawerence was being paid or Hart?
Latapy was making 30,000 US a month and Lawrence was 20,000
What did they accomplished?
Stuart Charles, de same.
Fenwick is de best local coach for T&T right now and Derek King who is his assistant.
Good choice by Wallace.
Well - thanks for the information if these are indeed factual- The precedence of deploying funds in that amount seems ludicrous. I reveries some earlier posts from years ago and I advocated for TF however my contention is still with the salary- i wonder how that sum was determined - how transparent was that to the public? Consider that there allegations that the TT FA was 50 mil in debt and say 20 mil is one one coache's salary? Something is not adding up!
Is there an established grid and or criteria to determined a fair and equatable salary in determining a coache's salary by the TT FA? Or is it left open to an agent and his negotiation with the said organization?
What incentives are there for the coach if you are receiving that kinda Monet win or lose?
Surely a salary can be structured with incentives and increments based on team's performance, rankings and improvements?
What would a base salary look like for a coach based on credentials , experience and success at international or at a national level?
So putting sentiments aside and gut feelings of who is credible to coach could there be objective standards and indicators of measuring or identifying a coach and equitable salary with build in incentives to a set maximum?
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How about Terry Fenwick to work with... the devolopment, the identification, the training and promotion of a locally based National squad?
14 years ago!!!!!!!
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Like I said in a previous post:
Terry has been looked over in the past because he has had some controversies in the pro-league. But he has remained steadfast in the trenches and bided his time. I had no issue with him being the coach. He has been in TT for over 20 years. So he should be given the chance. But this last fiasco with Wallace and fifa and the other English guys have me sour on him. But I feel he should be given the chance to coach the team. I say give him the space, time and money to develop the squad.
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Like I said in a previous post:
Terry has been looked over in the past because he has had some controversies in the pro-league. But he has remained steadfast in the trenches and bided his time. I had no issue with him being the coach. He has been in TT for over 20 years. So he should be given the chance. But this last fiasco with Wallace and fifa and the other English guys have me sour on him. But I feel he should be given the chance to coach the team. I say give him the space, time and money to develop the squad.
Deeks, I think Alberta just trying to display that he always was for giving Mr Fenwick a shot. However, not at the price he arranged with Mr Wallace sans Board approval, especially under the present financial circumstance. Although I am in agreement, I'm not sure how jumping up and down and multiple posts will change the price of sugar. As it seems he already in like Flynn with the Normalization committee, even doh, according to the membership, it was one of the 'MISDEEDS' the United TTFA (read Wallace) was accused of. And right now the tea we football drinking need even more sugar than maybe even Mr Fenwick can provide.
It's only pretty good money for our region, boarding exhorbitant considering no Intl experience. Although,it should be noted, none of our regional counterparts are in the administrative and financial hole that we find ourselves in. If it caves in, and we can't get our strongest players to return due to lack of finances to cover their commitment and help dig us out, this might just turnout to be another grave, more detrimental to those that we have dug ourselves out of in the past.
The caliber of our usual grave diggers at a relatively low point at present. We hardly have a division 3 EPLer, 2 start MLSers are our greatest flag bearers. Mr Fenwick although he does have his work cut out, and may possibly rise to the occasion in the earlies, in the long term, if we cannot meet our commitments to the few experienced players, he may have to throw some puppies in the final dog fight when it most counts.
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Mixed response as Fenwick praises T&Ts unbeaten run against makeshift local teams.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).
Trinidad and Tobago Mens National Senior Team head coach Terry Fenwick came in for congratulations from some supporters but raised eyebrows among the local football fraternity, after pointing to results in lopsided exhibition matches as signs of progress by his squad.
The Soca Warriors are yet to play their first international friendly under the Englishman and it is uncertain whether he will have a proper warm-up match before their opening Qatar 2022 World Cup qualifier against Guyana on 25 March.
Undeterred, Fenwick still found reason to be cheerful about the form of his local-based training squad in a social media post last Wednesday. He informed fans that his players are on a four match winning streak with 33 goals scored, none conceded, and only four shots permitted on their own goal.
(A source close to the team said the correct figure was 32 goals, and an additional goal was tabulated in error.)
So who have his Warriors faced? Fenwick did not give details but Wired868 can confirm practice games against Pro League club AC Port of Spain and the Trendsetter Hawks Academy, as well as makeshift combined teams from the central and east zones.
None of the zonal teams were organised by their respective zonal bodies. Instead, Crowne Trace and Chaguanas East Secondary coach Nicholas Griffith was asked to pick players from the central zone while Fenwicks assistant, Adrian Romain, helped put together an eastern XI.
Fenwick allegedly asked all his opponents to use players aged between 16-21 so he could see what young talented players there are, and the northern team even fielded 14-year-old QRC schoolboy, Aydon Caruth.
It was a restriction Fenwick did not apply to his own squad, which featured several older players including Police FC goalkeeper Adrian Foncette and Defence Force playmaker Hashim Arcia, who are both 32.
Notably, while the Warriors train three or four times a week, they came up against teams that are unable to practice at all due to Covid-19 regulations.
It was odd then to see Fenwick reference the results as a yardstick to gauge his progress as national coachparticularly as he offered withering condemnation of his predecessor, Dennis Lawrence, for arranging a friendly against international minnows Anguilla, who they mauled 15-0 last year.
I didnt see the point of playing against kids, said one coach, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Its not as if they can ask our opponents in the World Cup qualifiers to only play youngsters.
The Warriors recorded their four wins as:
T&T 8 (Hashim Arcia [2], Shackiel Henry, Sean Bonval, Matthew Woo Ling, Justin Garcia, Brent Sam, Molik Khan), AC POS 0;
T&T 8 (Shackiel Henry [2], Sean Bonval [2], Judah Garcia, Jabari Mitchell, Brent Sam, Nathaniel James), Trendsetter Hawks Academy 0;
T&T 10 (Brent Sam [2], Rashad Hyacenth [2], Sean Bonval, Nathaniel James, Shackiel Henry, Tyrese Spicer, Jabari Mitchell, Mikhail McComie), Central XI 0;
T&T 6 (Shackiel Henry [2], Brent Sam [2], Sean Bonval, Molik Khan), Eastern XI 0.
Ironically, just nine from the 32 goals scored by Fenwicks Warriors were converted by players who are 23 years old or youngerwith teenagers Khan, Spicer and James, as well as the slightly older trio of Garcia, McComie and Mitchell taking the honours.
Fenwick did not respond to a query from Wired868 regarding why he limited his opponents player pool, and the value he saw in the results. However, a source close to the national set-up sought to explain what the former England World Cup defender had in mind.
Playing guys in their late 20s and early 30s serves little purpose because they will not be fit and fast enough to keep pace with Terrys squad, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity. So what Terry was doing was trying to make sure the other teams were able to give him a good game. Added to which most teams abroad are looking for younger players; so Terry is thinking ahead and looking to build younger players so they can be ready for international football.
What value is it for a national coach to play against old players? The vast majority of his squad now are under-25 with a handful over that, which is what it should be.
Before, under previous coaches, the national team had it the other way around.
Off the field, Fenwick and his coaching staff are believed to be still awaiting their first pay chequealmost a year since being appointed by the William Wallace-led administration.
Fifa-appointed normalisation committee chairman Robert Hadad promised to look into remuneration for national coaches since April. However, thus far, only technical director Dion La Foucade and director of football Richard Piper received any salary, along with office staff. And, even then, it was for one months work.
The going rate for normalisation committee members is US$6,500 per month for the chairman and US$4,000 for other members. Hadad is assisted by vice-chair Judy Daniel and ordinary member Nigel Romano and all three have been paid by Fifa.
The Warriors are drawn in Group F of a preliminary Concacaf bracket, alongside St Kitts and Nevis, Guyana, Puerto Rico, Bahamas. Only the winner will advance to the next phase of competition.
Concacaf 2022 World Cup qualifiers
(Group F)
Trinidad and Tobago v Guyana, 25 March,
Puerto Rico v Trinidad and Tobago, 28 March
Bahamas v Trinidad and Tobago, 5 June
Trinidad and Tobago v St Kitts and Nevis, 8 June.
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Mixed response as Fenwick praises T&Ts unbeaten run against makeshift local teams.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).
Trinidad and Tobago Mens National Senior Team head coach Terry Fenwick came in for congratulations from some supporters but raised eyebrows among the local football fraternity, after pointing to results in lopsided exhibition matches as signs of progress by his squad.
The Soca Warriors are yet to play their first international friendly under the Englishman and it is uncertain whether he will have a proper warm-up match before their opening Qatar 2022 World Cup qualifier against Guyana on 25 March.
Undeterred, Fenwick still found reason to be cheerful about the form of his local-based training squad in a social media post last Wednesday. He informed fans that his players are on a four match winning streak with 33 goals scored, none conceded, and only four shots permitted on their own goal.
(A source close to the team said the correct figure was 32 goals, and an additional goal was tabulated in error.)
So who have his Warriors faced? Fenwick did not give details but Wired868 can confirm practice games against Pro League club AC Port of Spain and the Trendsetter Hawks Academy, as well as makeshift combined teams from the central and east zones.
None of the zonal teams were organised by their respective zonal bodies. Instead, Crowne Trace and Chaguanas East Secondary coach Nicholas Griffith was asked to pick players from the central zone while Fenwicks assistant, Adrian Romain, helped put together an eastern XI.
Fenwick allegedly asked all his opponents to use players aged between 16-21 so he could see what young talented players there are, and the northern team even fielded 14-year-old QRC schoolboy, Aydon Caruth.
It was a restriction Fenwick did not apply to his own squad, which featured several older players including Police FC goalkeeper Adrian Foncette and Defence Force playmaker Hashim Arcia, who are both 32.
Notably, while the Warriors train three or four times a week, they came up against teams that are unable to practice at all due to Covid-19 regulations.
It was odd then to see Fenwick reference the results as a yardstick to gauge his progress as national coachparticularly as he offered withering condemnation of his predecessor, Dennis Lawrence, for arranging a friendly against international minnows Anguilla, who they mauled 15-0 last year.
I didnt see the point of playing against kids, said one coach, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Its not as if they can ask our opponents in the World Cup qualifiers to only play youngsters.
The Warriors recorded their four wins as:
T&T 8 (Hashim Arcia [2], Shackiel Henry, Sean Bonval, Matthew Woo Ling, Justin Garcia, Brent Sam, Molik Khan), AC POS 0;
T&T 8 (Shackiel Henry [2], Sean Bonval [2], Judah Garcia, Jabari Mitchell, Brent Sam, Nathaniel James), Trendsetter Hawks Academy 0;
T&T 10 (Brent Sam [2], Rashad Hyacenth [2], Sean Bonval, Nathaniel James, Shackiel Henry, Tyrese Spicer, Jabari Mitchell, Mikhail McComie), Central XI 0;
T&T 6 (Shackiel Henry [2], Brent Sam [2], Sean Bonval, Molik Khan), Eastern XI 0.
Ironically, just nine from the 32 goals scored by Fenwicks Warriors were converted by players who are 23 years old or youngerwith teenagers Khan, Spicer and James, as well as the slightly older trio of Garcia, McComie and Mitchell taking the honours.
Fenwick did not respond to a query from Wired868 regarding why he limited his opponents player pool, and the value he saw in the results. However, a source close to the national set-up sought to explain what the former England World Cup defender had in mind.
Playing guys in their late 20s and early 30s serves little purpose because they will not be fit and fast enough to keep pace with Terrys squad, said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity. So what Terry was doing was trying to make sure the other teams were able to give him a good game. Added to which most teams abroad are looking for younger players; so Terry is thinking ahead and looking to build younger players so they can be ready for international football.
What value is it for a national coach to play against old players? The vast majority of his squad now are under-25 with a handful over that, which is what it should be.
Before, under previous coaches, the national team had it the other way around.
Off the field, Fenwick and his coaching staff are believed to be still awaiting their first pay chequealmost a year since being appointed by the William Wallace-led administration.
Fifa-appointed normalisation committee chairman Robert Hadad promised to look into remuneration for national coaches since April. However, thus far, only technical director Dion La Foucade and director of football Richard Piper received any salary, along with office staff. And, even then, it was for one months work.
The going rate for normalisation committee members is US$6,500 per month for the chairman and US$4,000 for other members. Hadad is assisted by vice-chair Judy Daniel and ordinary member Nigel Romano and all three have been paid by Fifa.
The Warriors are drawn in Group F of a preliminary Concacaf bracket, alongside St Kitts and Nevis, Guyana, Puerto Rico, Bahamas. Only the winner will advance to the next phase of competition.
Concacaf 2022 World Cup qualifiers
(Group F)
Trinidad and Tobago v Guyana, 25 March,
Puerto Rico v Trinidad and Tobago, 28 March
Bahamas v Trinidad and Tobago, 5 June
Trinidad and Tobago v St Kitts and Nevis, 8 June.
These are the kind of fete matches and pick up games wins you get for 20K US per month? Yuh have Venezuela next door? You have Grenada? Better yet call up Stern and rake on Anguilla? Call Latas and play Barbados?
This kind of false positives is just that- you could only fool some of the people some of the time- yuh want to assess talent?
TnT selects - I eh see this squad as a NATIONAL team - in a series of matches against sele t squads from-
South
North
East
West
Tobago
TnT -Foreign based players coached by Hart and Lawerence
Set a series of these games up in January/ Feb- pick up and reshuffle players based on current performance throughout- games to serve as identification of potential talent and tryouts for - keep men on a competitive edge - hungry to make team.
Instead of the bs games against some inept talent. Why is it so difficult to put some serious legitimate logistical plan in place to create a successful bonafide competitive Team ?
Then select your National team-
Ps - to legitimize any of those games - we need D Touches match report😊😊😊
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I was an advocate for playing Ven. for years. But not in this current crisis in Ven.
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I was an advocate for playing Ven. for years. But not in this current crisis in Ven.
I'd argue in favour - a home game in T&T would attract a crowd!
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Fenwick: Football endured horrible year
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday).
NATIONAL mens senior football coach Terry Fenwick is hoping for a bright and prosperous 2021 for T&T football after local football came to a halt in 2020.
Speaking about the possibility of playing friendly matches leading into the 2022 Concacaf World Cup qualifiers, Fenwick told Newsday, We are working on that as we speakwe are looking forward to a new year of prosperity and a change certainly in football. It has been a horrible 2020 with covid19 causing enough (distress). Football has endured beyond belief, so I am hoping that changes (will happen).
Despite being hired since the end of 2019, Fenwick has yet to hit the ground as the national team has not played any international matches under his leadership.
When covid19 started to affect T&T in March, T&T football was on the bench. The battle between the United TTFA and FIFA did not help matters. United TTFA and FIFA were involved in an eight-month legal battle over the world football bodys decision to remove the United TTFA executive and appoint a normalisation committee to run local football. The battle led to FIFA suspending the TTFA for two months from September to November.
Fenwick and his players were granted permission to resume training in June when Government relaxed covid19 restrictions. Since then the national players have been training at the Police Barracks in St James.
The 2022 Concacaf World Cup qualifiers kick off in March. T&T will open its World Cup qualifying campaign against Guyana in Group F on March 25, before playing Puerto Rico on March 28.
Group F also features Bahamas and St Kitts and Nevis.
On November 20, Fenwick told Newsday he was hopeful T&T could play three friendly matches before the end of the year.
Those matches have not materialised, but on Saturday the national coach said he wants to get the ball rolling in early 2021.
Fenwick added that a camp is also being planned. I have already put in a schedule which includes games in that period of time. I cant confirm any teams to you until they come back and confirm themselves, but we have asked three teams to participate in January/February and we are trying to get a camp going.
The camp may be held in the second and third week of February.
Fenwick said he will continue working with normalisation committee chairman Robert Hadad to get the best possible build-up to World Cup.
Fenwick said plans are in place to put the players through fitness tests.
We are not hanging around. Weve got fitness evaluations on the 2nd and 3rd of January which is Saturday and Sunday next week. We are back into training from the 4th so we are working hard on fitness, getting back into it, getting football moving again in T&T.
Fenwick said the foreign-based players are expected to have a high level of fitness as they have been playing competitively in recent months. Fenwick closed by wishing everyone a Merry Christmas and a better 2021.
T&T defender Daneil Cyrus agrees with Fenwick that T&T must play friendly matches before the qualifiers kick off.
Discussing the value of match time, Cyrus said, That is the very important. You could do how much fitness (work) you want, match fitness is the most important fitness because if you not playing competitive games you would not see what level you are at.
He added, It makes no sense if you just training for the whole year and you dont play any games. If we dont have three, four (competitive) games before these qualifiers it is going to be very difficult.
Since returning from Iraq where he had a short stint with football club Erbil, Cyrus has not been training with the national team.
The national defender said experienced players are key when facing opposition such as Mexico and USA.
Cyrus, 30, has 91 caps for T&T since making his debut in 2010.
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I was an advocate for playing Ven. for years. But not in this current crisis in Ven.
I'd argue in favour - a home game in T&T would attract a crowd!
Yes but it might attract plenty POLICE too ;D
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I was an advocate for playing Ven. for years. But not in this current crisis in Ven.
I'd argue in favour - a home game in T&T would attract a crowd!
Yes but it might attract plenty POLICE too ;D
I mean if they pay entrance too, all the merrier! :devil:
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I was an advocate for playing Ven. for years. But not in this current crisis in Ven.
I'd argue in favour - a home game in T&T would attract a crowd!
Yes but it might attract plenty POLICE too ;D
I mean if they pay entrance too, all the merrier! :devil:
Eh eh wait hold on - this could be ah win win for the TTFA - National team and minister of National Security and COP-
Set up a game against Venezuela -
1- Normalization committee - TTFA - doing something positive
2- National team playing. A legitimate contender- not a pick up fete match against youths
3- National security and COP - once match start and game going down - all entrances blocked - check for illegals- and gang affiliates-
Fast ferry waiting to transport back to Venezuela
Then we set up same tactic against Guyana and so forth
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I was an advocate for playing Ven. for years. But not in this current crisis in Ven.
I'd argue in favour - a home game in T&T would attract a crowd!
Yes but it might attract plenty POLICE too ;D
I mean if they pay entrance too, all the merrier! :devil:
Eh eh wait hold on - this could be ah win win for the TTFA - National team and minister of National Security and COP-
Set up a game against Venezuela -
1- Normalization committee - TTFA - doing something positive
2- National team playing. A legitimate contender- not a pick up fete match against youths
3- National security and COP - once match start and game going down - all entrances blocked - check for illegals- and gang affiliates-
Fast ferry waiting to transport back to Venezuela
Then we set up same tactic against Guyana and so forth
:rotfl:
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Fenwick eyes Dominica, Grenada, SVG for friendlies.
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday).
COACH of the national mens senior football team Terry Fenwick said discussions are being held to play Dominica, Grenada and St Vincent and the Grenadines (SVG) later this month to give his players solid preparation ahead of the Concacaf World Cup qualifiers in March.
Despite being in charge of the senior team for one year, Fenwick has not seen his players play a competitive match. The covid19 pandemic and the grappling between FIFA and the United TTFA placed T&T football on the bench in 2020.
Fenwick was aiming to have three friendlies before 2020 came to an end. Those matches did not materialise, but Fenwick is hopeful his players can hit the ground running in January.
Fenwick, in an interview with Newsday, on Sunday, said, Weve got Dominica, St Vincent and Grenada that weve reached out to, to try and bring them to Trinidad in January for this local squad of players.
T&T will start its World Cup qualifying campaign on March 25 against Guyana in Group F. The group also features Puerto Rico, Bahamas and St Kitts and Nevis.
T&T are currently the highest-ranked team in the group at 105th in the world. St Kitts and Nevis are ranked 139th, Guyana 166th, Puerto Rico 178th and Bahamas 195th.
We trying to be proactive, we are trying to get out there, we are trying to make things happenI am 45 years plus (in experience) with clubs in the UK. I know how it works, how it operates (and) I am trying to move it on.
Fenwick is trying to put 2020 behind him and wants the players to be the focus of attention.
I am trying to sidestep the politicking that is going on in the background that is holding things up because at the end of the day for me and my staff it is about the kidsno games in 2020, no matches, no nothing, it is depressing.
If we can change that around and have a real positive start to the new year that is how we got to lead ourselves into World Cup qualification games.
Fenwick said the friendly matches can only become a reality with support.
We of course need the support of the normalisation committee and (normalisation committee chairman) Mr (Robert) Hadad. We want Governments support because this is the biggest sport on the planet. Weve got loads of players that are Trinidadian playing around the world and more than anything I want the people of T&T that love their football that support their (English) Premier League teams or whoever they support to come out and support their national teams.
Fenwick is concerned that T&T are now ranked 105th in the world saying, Weve got to fix that.
He stressed that preparation is crucial. We need time which we have not got, but we need financing to make sure we give the players the best possible opportunity getting through the qualification games.
Approximately 15 players were working alongside physical therapist/physical trainer Oswin Birchwood and strength and conditioning coach Gregory Seale at the St James Police Barracks, on Sunday. Seale was accompanied by his team of specialists.
The players were going through a series of tests which allowed the trainers to evaluate strength, balance, flexibility and power.
The players were involved in a yoyo test and an arrow test. An arrow test evaluates the speed and agility of players.
A yoyo test is a maximal aerobic endurance fitness test. It involves running between markers placed 20 metres apart at increasing speeds.
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Fenwick targets Florida camp ahead of WC qualifiers.
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday).
A CAMP in Florida is being planned by Terry Fenwick to give the T&T mens senior national head coach the opportunity to have a closer look at the US-based T&T players and allow those players to gel with the local-based players.
The countdown is on for the national footballers as the Concacaf World Cup qualifiers are less than three months away.
T&T will start its World Cup qualifying campaign on March 25 against Guyana in Group F.
The group also features Puerto Rico, Bahamas and St Kitts and Nevis.
T&T are currently the highest-ranked team in the group at 105th in the world. St Kitts and Nevis are ranked 139th, Guyana 166th, Puerto Rico 178th and Bahamas 195th.
T&T have been short of preparation leading into the qualifiers as in 2020 the national team did not play any competitive matches because of covid19 and the grappling between FIFA and the United TT Football Association (TTFA). The dispute led to FIFA banning TTFA for two months from September to November. Club football was also at a standstill in T&T during 2020 which kept the players inactive.
I am hoping to put a camp together in Miamiwhereby we can bring in all of the North American players that are available for us for World Cup (qualifiers), Fenwick told Newsday during a national team training session at the St James Police Barracks, on Sunday.
Fenwick said the camp will help the US-based players and local-based players form a cohesive unit. We can bring them in. We could bring the best kids that we got available on the ground in T&T, so we merge them together. That will be the start of me putting my squad together for World Cup (qualifiers).
The camp is expected to last between ten days and two weeks before the qualifiers begin.
Fenwick said most of his squad for the upcoming matches will be foreign-based players because they are match fit.
There is no doubt that most of my squad, if not all, will be from US, UK generally. Players that are playing in leagues that are competing (and) that are match fit. We have identified a host of new players that when they hit the ground here in Trinidad it will be a shock to most, but I rather leave that until theyre here so we dont disappoint.
Fenwick said he will not be able to travel to England to meet T&T footballers based there because the country is under a covid19 lockdown.
That might be difficult, but I have already identified as many as eight or nine players that I have identified in the UK that are playing at a very good level.
Fenwick said the UK-based players should be available for the World Cup qualifiers because those matches are played in a FIFA window which allows the players to leave their respective clubs to represent their country.
After Fenwick sees the UK-based players in person he will have to make a quick decision to determine what players fit the team goal.
When we get them for the World Cup playoff games that will be in FIFA windows so that will be for a week, ten days maximum.
They are coming in and the first time I see them will be right before the World Cup qualifiers, so I then got to make quick and decisive decisions on my team.
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Fenwick targets Florida camp ahead of WC qualifiers.
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday).
A CAMP in Florida is being planned by Terry Fenwick to give the T&T mens senior national head coach the opportunity to have a closer look at the US-based T&T players and allow those players to gel with the local-based players.
The countdown is on for the national footballers as the Concacaf World Cup qualifiers are less than three months away.
T&T will start its World Cup qualifying campaign on March 25 against Guyana in Group F.
The group also features Puerto Rico, Bahamas and St Kitts and Nevis.
T&T are currently the highest-ranked team in the group at 105th in the world. St Kitts and Nevis are ranked 139th, Guyana 166th, Puerto Rico 178th and Bahamas 195th.
T&T have been short of preparation leading into the qualifiers as in 2020 the national team did not play any competitive matches because of covid19 and the grappling between FIFA and the United TT Football Association (TTFA). The dispute led to FIFA banning TTFA for two months from September to November. Club football was also at a standstill in T&T during 2020 which kept the players inactive.
I am hoping to put a camp together in Miamiwhereby we can bring in all of the North American players that are available for us for World Cup (qualifiers), Fenwick told Newsday during a national team training session at the St James Police Barracks, on Sunday.
Fenwick said the camp will help the US-based players and local-based players form a cohesive unit. We can bring them in. We could bring the best kids that we got available on the ground in T&T, so we merge them together. That will be the start of me putting my squad together for World Cup (qualifiers).
The camp is expected to last between ten days and two weeks before the qualifiers begin.
Fenwick said most of his squad for the upcoming matches will be foreign-based players because they are match fit.
There is no doubt that most of my squad, if not all, will be from US, UK generally. Players that are playing in leagues that are competing (and) that are match fit. We have identified a host of new players that when they hit the ground here in Trinidad it will be a shock to most, but I rather leave that until theyre here so we dont disappoint.
Fenwick said he will not be able to travel to England to meet T&T footballers based there because the country is under a covid19 lockdown.
That might be difficult, but I have already identified as many as eight or nine players that I have identified in the UK that are playing at a very good level.
Fenwick said the UK-based players should be available for the World Cup qualifiers because those matches are played in a FIFA window which allows the players to leave their respective clubs to represent their country.
After Fenwick sees the UK-based players in person he will have to make a quick decision to determine what players fit the team goal.
When we get them for the World Cup playoff games that will be in FIFA windows so that will be for a week, ten days maximum.
They are coming in and the first time I see them will be right before the World Cup qualifiers, so I then got to make quick and decisive decisions on my team.
So what's new? The same formula of that is been going on for centuries in our national team selection. Put together a " jokey local squad" hold training sessions knowing full well that this is just a transitional team to demonstrate that a coach I'd doing work and in this case getting 20k us a month! Then wait and hastily bring in the foreign star boys to bolster the rooster!!!
There is not intent to create a solid local competitive culture that would make earning a spot on the team a level of accomplishment.
How did the present squad earn a tryout? What was the criteria? I suggested before that we employ:
A zonal competition- North South East West Tobago-tournament format- select a local squad following this playoff- take that squad to UK /USA to play those identified as potential players that could represent TnT-
Then pick a national team to play any aganist - Anguilla, India, Venezuela, and any others who are looking to beat we up.
This old formula of just bringing inforeign base players knowing they have secured a position on the team has not been working over a sustainable time for TnT.
Our national team selection needs a new model of creating a competitive climate and establishing a route to success that would be in brained throughout the process- playerswould be acclimitiazing to the process of qualifing for a position locally- getting use to travelling to play foreign players vying for a position prior to playing against other countries. This is incentive laden from the get go. There are current players going through the motions knowing that as soon as the foreign based player is available their position or chance of making the final cut is nonexistent - likewise there are foreign based players who know they can waltz in and be guaranteed a spot on the team.
This process is missing in terms of player development, competitive nurturing, team dynamics and a transparent fair opportunity of selecting the most formidable team. Talent alone will not cut it!!!
There are the intangibles for a local player wanting to make that team so asto procure possible future contracts- foreign players to establish leverage with foreign based clubs- an opportunity it's to be on the biggest stage.
Presently the system in place is deficient and that deficiency will be a deficit and deterrent as the competition intensifies - thenthe sameo.d rants would be played out about coaching and players - without use et giving a thought to the system we have in place from selection of players to coaches.
How possible is it during COVID to travel to US knowing you have to quarantine - set up a camp bring in players from other states and conduct sessions? What testing are available for players? How will the safety of players be ensured? There are some logistics here that given the current situation appears to be missing.
Would it be more feasible to establish a safe secured environment in Trinidad or Tobago invite foreign based players to a try out camp select potential players and then have a mini tournament?
All the way you are building a competitive climate and providing opportunities for development. It is not a given that the starting spots guaranteed are - if you are local and a goalie ( this is short sighted - thinking that technically this position is the least of consideration) secondly if you are a foreign based " star boy" no sweat we holding that position and begging for your services.
Time to stop this madness _ Time to earn your selection- earn your place - the same way for us to get another shot at WCis that we have to earn that spot. Create this thinking - time to transform the way we are currently operating. It's insane to be doing the same thing over and over and expect different results.
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Fenwick's men face Regional team in friendly.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian).
T&T's senior national football team will play its first practice match of the year against a regional association team on Thursday at the St James Barracks, Long Circular Road, St James.
The game will be the first of a few being organised by national coach Terry Fenwick ahead of the FIFA World Cup Qualifiers in March. With March 25th already set for the team's opening encounter with regional rivals Guyana, Fenwick has also been attempting to secure a camp in Florida, in the Unoted States soon, as well as other friendly matches against Dominica, Grenada, and St Vincent and the Grenadines.
At a training session at the Long Circular Road facility on Wednesday, Fenwick made it clear he will not be making any player comfortable in his set-up, despite it not having any form of football taking place in the country at this point in time.
It has been Fenwick's major point of concern, which has forced him to identify some 25 players abroad, who will make up the core of his team at the qualifiers.
He told Guardian Media Sports on Wednesday that, "We have done work throughout 2020, we have now identified 25 players overseas, 12 from the UK and we've got another 13 in the United States that are excellent players that are playing in good Leagues, they are involved in competitive games on a regular basis. These will be the guys I will have to tap in to for the World Cup Qualifiers because they are playing competitive football."
The early start to Fenwick's preparation has been focused on work done last year or on more recapping of work done in 2020. Still, the Englishman who has had a successful record at T&T Pro League outfits San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC, is anything but a happy man, saying he needs the FIFA-appointed Normalisation Committee to step up the pace and work quicker, to get their programme in train.
Currently, the national team training has been the only form of football for the players in his squad, but to help these players Fenwick has been reaching out to our regional neighbours for help.
He said, "We have got no football on the ground in Trinidad and Tobago as we speak and there is no sign of it until after March. So these guys, the local guys on the ground in Trinidad and Tobago, not playing any competitive football unless they are in the national set-up with me. We are doing regional games, I am asking people from the different regions who I trust and who I recognize if they would bring out their best youngsters between 16 and 21 to play against us."
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Fenwick's men face Regional team in friendly.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian).
T&T's senior national football team will play its first practice match of the year against a regional association team on Thursday at the St James Barracks, Long Circular Road, St James.
The game will be the first of a few being organised by national coach Terry Fenwick ahead of the FIFA World Cup Qualifiers in March. With March 25th already set for the team's opening encounter with regional rivals Guyana, Fenwick has also been attempting to secure a camp in Florida, in the Unoted States soon, as well as other friendly matches against Dominica, Grenada, and St Vincent and the Grenadines.
At a training session at the Long Circular Road facility on Wednesday, Fenwick made it clear he will not be making any player comfortable in his set-up, despite it not having any form of football taking place in the country at this point in time.
It has been Fenwick's major point of concern, which has forced him to identify some 25 players abroad, who will make up the core of his team at the qualifiers.
He told Guardian Media Sports on Wednesday that, "We have done work throughout 2020, we have now identified 25 players overseas, 12 from the UK and we've got another 13 in the United States that are excellent players that are playing in good Leagues, they are involved in competitive games on a regular basis. These will be the guys I will have to tap in to for the World Cup Qualifiers because they are playing competitive football."
The early start to Fenwick's preparation has been focused on work done last year or on more recapping of work done in 2020. Still, the Englishman who has had a successful record at T&T Pro League outfits San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC, is anything but a happy man, saying he needs the FIFA-appointed Normalisation Committee to step up the pace and work quicker, to get their programme in train.
Currently, the national team training has been the only form of football for the players in his squad, but to help these players Fenwick has been reaching out to our regional neighbours for help.
He said, "We have got no football on the ground in Trinidad and Tobago as we speak and there is no sign of it until after March. So these guys, the local guys on the ground in Trinidad and Tobago, not playing any competitive football unless they are in the national set-up with me. We are doing regional games, I am asking people from the different regions who I trust and who I recognize if they would bring out their best youngsters between 16 and 21 to play against us."
S bs bs bs
We paying ah man 20us ah month to have sessions with players who have little or no chance to make the team? Why not take ah roti drink ah rum and wait for foreign players to come play? If that is the rational moving forward that they have been playing competitive ball over the local players.
Why not create a competitive system in TnT and create regional tournaments - ah frig I said all this before
Eheh ah coming just like TTFA doing the same thing year in year out and expecting different results
Allyuh real good we - 20 k to be sold a bag of stones?!!!
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If they organising a game vs mainly 16-21 year olds, they just looking for a low intensity game then?
Granted no non-national teams supposed to be in training, but why is he only pushing for those young teams to run up against them for match fitness?
He think Guyana and the others gonna throw out youths for us?
smh
All this is just a scouting tool then? since most of these players not gonna be used for the game as he said since they wont be match-fit & just gonna pull the best young talent from those youth teams he wants our Senior team to play against...
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Fenwick's men face Regional team in friendly.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian).
T&T's senior national football team will play its first practice match of the year against a regional association team on Thursday at the St James Barracks, Long Circular Road, St James.
The game will be the first of a few being organised by national coach Terry Fenwick ahead of the FIFA World Cup Qualifiers in March. With March 25th already set for the team's opening encounter with regional rivals Guyana, Fenwick has also been attempting to secure a camp in Florida, in the Unoted States soon, as well as other friendly matches against Dominica, Grenada, and St Vincent and the Grenadines.
At a training session at the Long Circular Road facility on Wednesday, Fenwick made it clear he will not be making any player comfortable in his set-up, despite it not having any form of football taking place in the country at this point in time.
It has been Fenwick's major point of concern, which has forced him to identify some 25 players abroad, who will make up the core of his team at the qualifiers.
He told Guardian Media Sports on Wednesday that, "We have done work throughout 2020, we have now identified 25 players overseas, 12 from the UK and we've got another 13 in the United States that are excellent players that are playing in good Leagues, they are involved in competitive games on a regular basis. These will be the guys I will have to tap in to for the World Cup Qualifiers because they are playing competitive football."
The early start to Fenwick's preparation has been focused on work done last year or on more recapping of work done in 2020. Still, the Englishman who has had a successful record at T&T Pro League outfits San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC, is anything but a happy man, saying he needs the FIFA-appointed Normalisation Committee to step up the pace and work quicker, to get their programme in train.
Currently, the national team training has been the only form of football for the players in his squad, but to help these players Fenwick has been reaching out to our regional neighbours for help.
He said, "We have got no football on the ground in Trinidad and Tobago as we speak and there is no sign of it until after March. So these guys, the local guys on the ground in Trinidad and Tobago, not playing any competitive football unless they are in the national set-up with me. We are doing regional games, I am asking people from the different regions who I trust and who I recognize if they would bring out their best youngsters between 16 and 21 to play against us."
S bs bs bs
We paying ah man 20us ah month to have sessions with players who have little or no chance to make the team? Why not take ah roti drink ah rum and wait for foreign players to come play? If that is the rational moving forward that they have been playing competitive ball over the local players.
Why not create a competitive system in TnT and create regional tournaments - ah frig I said all this before
Eheh ah coming just like TTFA doing the same thing year in year out and expecting different results
Allyuh real good we - 20 k to be sold a bag of stones?!!!
Create regional tournaments? The CFU is supposed to do that. U14 - U23. But where is the CFU at this moment. We should have a U20 - U23 combination whether or not we have regional competitions. We should have North, east, central, south, deep south, Tobago(maybe split E-W), eastern counties. Have tournaments in each age group.
Getting back to regional tournaments. Seeing that the CFU are dormant, Haddad and Fenwick should get the eastern Caribbean to have unofficial tournaments until CFU get their act together.
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CFUs tournaments are always disappointing- they don't have and/or don't seek the backing to make them even cover the costs of clubs, so few islands usually enter. The whole professional and semi-pro split has undermined it in my opinion as well. "Professional" is a misnomer for most of the participants.
Some already do this or did it in the last - the French Antilles do it, and the Guyanas do it (or did, last Coupe de Guyane was a couple years ago).
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Have to refocus the intent of regional tournaments- if these tournaments are purposely and Intentionally created as an avenue for national selection and not just some regional tournament.
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Dominican Republic will be a good opponent to keep in mind as things evolve. They have Puerto Rico and Serbia on tap.
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Dominican Republic will be a good opponent to keep in mind as things evolve. They have Puerto Rico and Serbia on tap.
Yup, Dominican Republic has really come on in the past 6 years - their league is one of the most professional of the region now, and they regularly get Colombians, Argentinians,.and other Latin Americans.
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Dominican Republic will be a good opponent to keep in mind as things evolve. They have Puerto Rico and Serbia on tap.
Yup, Dominican Republic has really come on in the past 6 years - their league is one of the most professional of the region now, and they regularly get Colombians, Argentinians,.and other Latin Americans.
Correct. And I expect they will continue to bubble. They are now coached by the coach (Jacques Passy, Mexico) who improved St.Kitts Nevis. It was an eminently sensible move for him.
Also, the league is uniquely placed to position itself at a viable intermediate point on the market and has been exploiting those levers. The most recent entrant is a Chilean affiliate of Levante (the club that Shaq Moore was getting his feet wet at). The proposition is that players who need playing continuity will have a shot in the Dominican Republic and maybe find a settled professional path from there. Levante is a club that tends to be in the shadow of Valencia. In multiple senses. So a project like this makes sense especially as La Liga's clubs have been encouraged to internationalize ventures.
And Chile in itself is not a bad axis. Everton was acquired by Mexican interests with a view to partially do the same thing as the Chile to DR project.
The question for NC/Hadad/Pro League is where does T&T position its "product"?
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The question for NC/Hadad/Pro League is where does T&T position its "product"?
No where!
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Dominican Republic will be a good opponent to keep in mind as things evolve. They have Puerto Rico and Serbia on tap.
Yup, Dominican Republic has really come on in the past 6 years - their league is one of the most professional of the region now, and they regularly get Colombians, Argentinians,.and other Latin Americans.
Correct. And I expect they will continue to bubble. They are now coached by the coach (Jacques Passy, Mexico) who improved St.Kitts Nevis. It was an eminently sensible move for him.
Also, the league is uniquely placed to position itself at a viable intermediate point on the market and has been exploiting those levers. The most recent entrant is a Chilean affiliate of Levante (the club that Shaq Moore was getting his feet wet at). The proposition is that players who need playing continuity will have a shot in the Dominican Republic and maybe find a settled professional path from there. Levante is a club that tends to be in the shadow of Valencia. In multiple senses. So a project like this makes sense especially as La Liga's clubs have been encouraged to internationalize ventures.
And Chile in itself is not a bad axis. Everton was acquired by Mexican interests with a view to partially do the same thing as the Chile to DR project.
The question for NC/Hadad/Pro League is where does T&T position its "product"?
You wont believe how much plans gone awry. Only the already committed can study any sport now. When ppl bread and butter deplete, is band yuh belly time.
https://dominicantoday.com/dr/tourism/2021/01/09/the-dominican-republic-received-four-million-fewer-tourists-due-to-the-pandemic-in-2020/
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We have 12 players in the uk now ..according to fenwick .... and 13 in the USA.....I am waiting to see who there guys are ....
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We have 12 players in the uk now ..according to fenwick .... and 13 in the USA.....I am waiting to see who there guys are ....
Talk talk - eligibility is one thing but are these so called identifiable foreign born players better or above the standards that a local player fighting to represent his country?
Foreigni bornshould not be a criteria for an automatic pass to the national team. The rigorous and process of selection should be in place for all players looking to represent TnT
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Dominican Republic will be a good opponent to keep in mind as things evolve. They have Puerto Rico and Serbia on tap.
Yup, Dominican Republic has really come on in the past 6 years - their league is one of the most professional of the region now, and they regularly get Colombians, Argentinians,.and other Latin Americans.
Correct. And I expect they will continue to bubble. They are now coached by the coach (Jacques Passy, Mexico) who improved St.Kitts Nevis. It was an eminently sensible move for him.
Also, the league is uniquely placed to position itself at a viable intermediate point on the market and has been exploiting those levers. The most recent entrant is a Chilean affiliate of Levante (the club that Shaq Moore was getting his feet wet at). The proposition is that players who need playing continuity will have a shot in the Dominican Republic and maybe find a settled professional path from there. Levante is a club that tends to be in the shadow of Valencia. In multiple senses. So a project like this makes sense especially as La Liga's clubs have been encouraged to internationalize ventures.
And Chile in itself is not a bad axis. Everton was acquired by Mexican interests with a view to partially do the same thing as the Chile to DR project.
The question for NC/Hadad/Pro League is where does T&T position its "product"?
You wont believe how much plans gone awry. Only the already committed can study any sport now. When ppl bread and butter deplete, is band yuh belly time.
https://dominicantoday.com/dr/tourism/2021/01/09/the-dominican-republic-received-four-million-fewer-tourists-due-to-the-pandemic-in-2020/
Yes, even in a pandemic, or during a wildfire, my house burning doesn't mean the neighbour's house is on fire. And, the pandemic constitutes an opportunity in itself.
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We have 12 players in the uk now ..according to fenwick .... and 13 in the USA.....I am waiting to see who there guys are ....
Talk talk - eligibility is one thing but are these so called identifiable foreign born players better or above the standards that a local player fighting to represent his country?
Foreigni bornshould not be a criteria for an automatic pass to the national team. The rigorous and process of selection should be in place for all players looking to represent TnT
Curious as to how they are scouted?
Do we have a video analysts team in place to compile games and clips of players that are sent to the coaches?
I know we had some scouts assisting the assoc. -- possibly pro bono --- before the NC situation.
Do the coaches here get their first look at these players when they reach in camp? or have they viewed their game footage prior to this?
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We have 12 players in the uk now ..according to fenwick .... and 13 in the USA.....I am waiting to see who there guys are ....
Talk talk - eligibility is one thing but are these so called identifiable foreign born players better or above the standards that a local player fighting to represent his country?
Foreigni bornshould not be a criteria for an automatic pass to the national team. The rigorous and process of selection should be in place for all players looking to represent TnT
Curious as to how they are scouted?
Do we have a video analysts team in place to compile games and clips of players that are sent to the coaches?
I know we had some scouts assisting the assoc. -- possibly pro bono --- before the NC situation.
Do the coaches here get their first look at these players when they reach in camp? or have they viewed their game footage prior to this?
One can only wonder if there is a logician system in place to scout analyse and evaluate potential players- I am not even sure we do that in depth analysis locally given our alleged lack of resources.
Far more on foreign soil. You know the Trini way- " ah have ah friend whose sone playing so and so " give him ah look nah" meh uncle son playing here look nah ah know ah fella whose grandmother was from TnT check he out nah he playing real ball"
I think we still in that mind set- when it comes to the technical player evaluation, sadly lacking. All this despite the funds from FIFA for player and program development- nah we want to erect Centre for Excellence- up.d Home of Football as what monuments and legacies to reigning presidents or for personal gains. Tell me if we could not refurbish Halsey Crawford Stadium and put money into programming proper player development and evaluation of talent to feed into our national teams. Too much ole talk inhow we conduct the business of football.
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refurbish Halsey Crawford Stadium
Why HCS needs refurbishing ?
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Fenwick focuses on changing 'sweat mentality'
By Keith Clement (T&T Guardian).
One week after the T&T's senior national football team played its first practice against a locally assembled team as part of its preparations towards the FIFA World Cup Qualifiers in March, head coach Terry Fenwick provided the media with an update on the squad's preparations following a training session at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo yesterday.
It was the squad first training session away from the Police Grounds at the St James Barracks, which has been used as a training base since the players gathered in March, last year.
T&T's opening World Cup Qualifiers is set for March 25 with the team's opening encounter set to be with regional rivals Guyana, Fenwick said he and his technical staff have seen 335 players before narrowing it down to the squad in training now at 27.
"So, I am getting down to my 23 - 25 squad," he said, adding that the squad is a very young one compared to the old team T&T had a before he was appointed in December 2019.
"T&T will have a very young team, Under-23 players," he pointed out.
Fenwick, a former English World Cup defender, who is attempting to secure a camp in Florida, USA as well as other friendly matches against Dominica, Grenada, and St Vincent and the Grenadines, told the media that: "Under the circumstances, they are doing great. We got the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic and if that was not difficult enough, we've got the issues and problems that plagued T&T football for the last 18 months. It's not been easy for them (the players) or the coaches and the administration. Across the board, it had been a difficult time for football."
He explained that COVID-19 has made preparations very difficult for the players and coaches.
"Over the period we had sessions where my group had been limited to five and seven players per coach. So we had lots of coaches coming in and doing great," Fenwick said. "The World Cup qualifiers in March, that's right around the corner and we are pressing upon the administration that we need to organise in advance and that we need good preparation so that we can be more than competitive when the games come around. That's important to me because it's not just the quality we have on the field, but the quality off the field to make sure that we are crossing all the T's and dotting all the I's."
He explained that he has identified 25 players overseas of which 8-10 are in the UK (United Kingdom) that are excellent players that are playing in good Leagues and they are involved in competitive games, regularly.
He said that there's a starting team in training and the players know what that team is, and they are trying to get into that team.
The former San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC coach said players like midfielder Kevin Molino, who is home will continue to rest while he concentrates on the home-grown players.
"When I get that fusion of international players with the quality we got on the ground then we will be starting to shape-up."
Fenwick, who enjoyed a professional career with five top English clubs, said he has is happy with what has been done off the field.
"We've identified new players that will be brand new to T&T football, but I'm not prepared to mention their names now, not yet, not until they touch down in T&T. We have some good players who want to play for T&T and who want to be competitive against Guyana. We know about the opposition," said Fenwick, adding that during the training sessions the objective is to change the mindset.
"We got that sweat...that's Trinidad mindset that if we 3-4 nil in front we give the opposition a chance and we let back into the game. Changing that mindset into a more professional, ruthless situation whereby we are not giving the opposition any lifts."
Fenwick, who has made T&T his home for over a decade, said: "There's comprehensive fitness test for all the players across the board, we are setting the profile so everybody will be under the microscope about how they are performing on and off the field. We're trying to uplift the science of the team."
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Coach Fenwick awaits confirmation on regional friendlies.
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday).
Trinidad and Tobago mens football team coach Terry Fenwick is still hopeful that his squad will have a few friendly international matches before they start their 2022 FIFA World Cup Concacaf Zone qualifiers in March.
Trinidad and Tobago, who will feature in Group F of the Concacaf First Round qualifiers, will meet Guyana on March 25 (at home), Puerto Rico on March 28 (away), Bahamas on June 5 (away) and St Kitts/Nevis on June 8 (at home).
On Monday, chairman of the FIFA-appointed normalisation committee Robert Hadad said the TT Football Association (TTFA) was looking to confirm warm-up matches in Trinidad against St Vincent/Grenadines and Dominica.
Hadad said then, Were waiting on confirmation with regards to timing, and we have to work along with the Ministries (of National Security and Health) to get the Home of Football (in Couva) up and running properly, so we can use it.
Fenwick, in an interview on Thursday, said, Im still waiting on confirmation from the normalisation committee as to the games that are coming (up). Everything is subject to funding.
Weve got our proposal in, he added. Weve got the countries replying to the normalisation committee to go ahead with the games, but behind closed doors because of the covid(19) situation. We would be in a bubble.
Fenwick, who is celebrating a year in charge of the T&T squad this month, has not had the luxury of a competitive match, for two reasons to the covid19 pandemic as well as the suspension by FIFA of the TTFA (from September to November 2020), due to the former executives failure to desist from pursuing a challenge at the local High Court over their removal from office.
Concerning his training squad, Fenwick said, Were trying very hard to change the mindset because too many of the local players, because of (the state of) local football, havent kicked a ball in 2020.
Im trying to change mindsets because local players in particular (are) getting into this fete-match mentality, continued the T&T coach. That doesnt work.
Fenwick maintained his view that the core of his training squad will be younger players.
The squad is generally Under-23 (players), he said. Theyre working very hard, Im proud of what theyve done so far. Were turning things around but were still a little distance away.
We havent had any competitive games as yet so its a very hard call at the moment. But I cant argue with the work ethic. Im changing peoples mindsets as to how we approach games, the professionalism.
Asked about TT midfielders Kevin Molino and Joevin Jones, who finished their 2020 season in December, Fenwick replied, Ive let them have a break, let them enjoy their families. We will be engaging them very shortly. The World Cup qualifiers in March so Im looking at players who are playing at good levels. (Molino and Jones) will be at the top of the tree.
Im actually meeting Molino on Friday to have a discussion to see where he is, whats going on and let him know what my plans are.
Fenwick had a look at a few overseas-based players but he said his current bunch are all locally-based.
Commenting on some of the foreign-based players, who he looked at in December, Fenwick said, (Robert) Primus plays in India, he goes out at the end of this month. (Ataullah) Guerra hasnt been around for a little while now because its a much younger squad that Im working with. Obviously recognising the qualities that he brings to the table, but we were saddled with the oldest squad in football and I need to change that around. So, we got younger kids that have got open minds as to how football is played and for me to get the message across.
Among the inexperienced faces in the T&T training squad are John-Paul Rochford, Matthew Woo Ling and Michel Poon-Angeron.
Theyre the types were looking for, people with fresh and open minds that want to compete, said Fenwick.
Is the technical staff looking at the opposition teams to see their strengths and weaknesses?
Of course, Fenwick responded. Were looking at Guyana, what theyve got to offer, who theyve got, who theyll be bringing in. Similar to ourselves, theyve been looking all around the world.
Theyre playing their league format in Guyana (whereas) TT are not. Were keeping tracks on them. Theyve got a new coach (Brazilian-born Marcio Maximo Barcellos) so things could change up. Well need to keep a close eye on the games that they have, the potential friendly games that well have a look at.
Fenwick, the former England defender and ex-coach of Pro League clubs San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC, has repeatedly stated his intention to include foreign-born players in the squad. How soon does he intend to do so?
Its the 14th of January, he replied. I still havent met with the chairman this year. That will be, as and when, I get around to meeting Mr Hadad so we can plan very quickly how we move forward.
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Fenwick targets Florida camp ahead of WC qualifiers.
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday).
A CAMP in Florida is being planned by Terry Fenwick to give the T&T mens senior national head coach the opportunity to have a closer look at the US-based T&T players and allow those players to gel with the local-based players.
The countdown is on for the national footballers as the Concacaf World Cup qualifiers are less than three months away.
T&T will start its World Cup qualifying campaign on March 25 against Guyana in Group F.
The group also features Puerto Rico, Bahamas and St Kitts and Nevis.
T&T are currently the highest-ranked team in the group at 105th in the world. St Kitts and Nevis are ranked 139th, Guyana 166th, Puerto Rico 178th and Bahamas 195th.
T&T have been short of preparation leading into the qualifiers as in 2020 the national team did not play any competitive matches because of covid19 and the grappling between FIFA and the United TT Football Association (TTFA). The dispute led to FIFA banning TTFA for two months from September to November. Club football was also at a standstill in T&T during 2020 which kept the players inactive.
I am hoping to put a camp together in Miamiwhereby we can bring in all of the North American players that are available for us for World Cup (qualifiers), Fenwick told Newsday during a national team training session at the St James Police Barracks, on Sunday.
Fenwick said the camp will help the US-based players and local-based players form a cohesive unit. We can bring them in. We could bring the best kids that we got available on the ground in T&T, so we merge them together. That will be the start of me putting my squad together for World Cup (qualifiers).
The camp is expected to last between ten days and two weeks before the qualifiers begin.
Fenwick said most of his squad for the upcoming matches will be foreign-based players because they are match fit.
There is no doubt that most of my squad, if not all, will be from US, UK generally. Players that are playing in leagues that are competing (and) that are match fit. We have identified a host of new players that when they hit the ground here in Trinidad it will be a shock to most, but I rather leave that until theyre here so we dont disappoint.
Fenwick said he will not be able to travel to England to meet T&T footballers based there because the country is under a covid19 lockdown.
That might be difficult, but I have already identified as many as eight or nine players that I have identified in the UK that are playing at a very good level.
Fenwick said the UK-based players should be available for the World Cup qualifiers because those matches are played in a FIFA window which allows the players to leave their respective clubs to represent their country.
After Fenwick sees the UK-based players in person he will have to make a quick decision to determine what players fit the team goal.
When we get them for the World Cup playoff games that will be in FIFA windows so that will be for a week, ten days maximum.
They are coming in and the first time I see them will be right before the World Cup qualifiers, so I then got to make quick and decisive decisions on my team.
So what's new? The same formula of that is been going on for centuries in our national team selection. Put together a " jokey local squad" hold training sessions knowing full well that this is just a transitional team to demonstrate that a coach I'd doing work and in this case getting 20k us a month! Then wait and hastily bring in the foreign star boys to bolster the rooster!!!
There is not intent to create a solid local competitive culture that would make earning a spot on the team a level of accomplishment.
How did the present squad earn a tryout? What was the criteria? I suggested before that we employ:
A zonal competition- North South East West Tobago-tournament format- select a local squad following this playoff- take that squad to UK /USA to play those identified as potential players that could represent TnT-
Then pick a national team to play any aganist - Anguilla, India, Venezuela, and any others who are looking to beat we up.
This old formula of just bringing inforeign base players knowing they have secured a position on the team has not been working over a sustainable time for TnT.
Our national team selection needs a new model of creating a competitive climate and establishing a route to success that would be in brained throughout the process- playerswould be acclimitiazing to the process of qualifing for a position locally- getting use to travelling to play foreign players vying for a position prior to playing against other countries. This is incentive laden from the get go. There are current players going through the motions knowing that as soon as the foreign based player is available their position or chance of making the final cut is nonexistent - likewise there are foreign based players who know they can waltz in and be guaranteed a spot on the team.
This process is missing in terms of player development, competitive nurturing, team dynamics and a transparent fair opportunity of selecting the most formidable team. Talent alone will not cut it!!!
There are the intangibles for a local player wanting to make that team so asto procure possible future contracts- foreign players to establish leverage with foreign based clubs- an opportunity it's to be on the biggest stage.
Presently the system in place is deficient and that deficiency will be a deficit and deterrent as the competition intensifies - thenthe sameo.d rants would be played out about coaching and players - without use et giving a thought to the system we have in place from selection of players to coaches.
How possible is it during COVID to travel to US knowing you have to quarantine - set up a camp bring in players from other states and conduct sessions? What testing are available for players? How will the safety of players be ensured? There are some logistics here that given the current situation appears to be missing.
Would it be more feasible to establish a safe secured environment in Trinidad or Tobago invite foreign based players to a try out camp select potential players and then have a mini tournament?
All the way you are building a competitive climate and providing opportunities for development. It is not a given that the starting spots guaranteed are - if you are local and a goalie ( this is short sighted - thinking that technically this position is the least of consideration) secondly if you are a foreign based " star boy" no sweat we holding that position and begging for your services.
Time to stop this madness _ Time to earn your selection- earn your place - the same way for us to get another shot at WCis that we have to earn that spot. Create this thinking - time to transform the way we are currently operating. It's insane to be doing the same thing over and over and expect different results.
Ent ah say so-!!!! How yuh go plan ah camp inFlorida and not think about protocols and quarantine during COVID?
I watching how strict protocols and a bubble is in place in the NHL and I eh know how these planners thinking yuh go just fly up and have camp in USA? The expenses that you will have to incur in travel accommodation player safety ?
Risk involved if players test positive - isolation quarantine - and yuh paying 20k USA to one man!!!!
Look nah - This normalization committee far from acting normal but then again this kinda thinking is normal for one heading up the TTFA.
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Eve, Williams: Local players should feel hard done.
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday).
FORMER T&T midfielder Angus Eve and former Strike Squad defender Brian Williams said the foreign-based T&T footballers were not given a fair opportunity to showcase their potential as they came together just days before their international friendly against the US. Eve added that the local-based players may feel hard done by the decision to play the foreign-based players after training alongside coach Terry Fenwick for months.
T&T fell to a 7-0 defeat at the Exploria Stadium in Orlando, Florida, on Sunday. T&T used the match as preparation for the Concacaf World Cup qualifiers, which kick off on March 25.
Jonathan Lewis, Jesus Ferreira and Paul Arriola all scored two goals apiece to lead the way for the US. Trailing 7-0 T&T had an opportunity to score from the penalty spot, but Alvin Jones failed to convert in the 66th minute. It was the first time T&T played a competitive match in over a year since Fenwick took over in January 2020. The covid19 pandemic and the feud between the TT Football Association and FIFA led to no football for T&T in 2020.
T&T fielded mostly foreign-based players in the first half who were playing more consistently than the local-based players. T&T made six substitutions during the match as Noah Powder, Justin Garcia, Michel Poon-Angeron, Duane Muckette, Matthew Woo Ling and Neveal Hackshaw all made appearances. Some of those players were training locally alongside Fenwick leading up to the US match.
T&T had better exchanges in the second half as USA scored its final goal in the 62nd minute.
Eve said hoping for a favourable result would have been asking a lot.
It was not a good performance. Unfortunately for the guys, they were just thrown together in two days, so those foreign-based guys who would have probably dreamt about playing for T&T for a while...I dont think that they were given a fair opportunity to play in an environment like that. Also, the local guys who would have been training for more than four months not taken to play the game that they work so hard towards was also a travesty for them.
Eve, a T&T youth coach, discussing Fenwicks debut as coach, said.
We as coaches live and die by our decisions. I am not in the job, but the coach would have selected the guys, he would have looked at the guys and he believed that this was the best group of guys to go and play the game so he has to live and die with his decisions.
Eve said the local-based players may feel demotivated that they wont given the nod over the foreign-based players. If I was a player who was training for months when I look at the game I would feel hard done by (it) because the American team also had a locally-based team with a lot of debutants.
Eve commended T&T goalkeeper Adrian Foncette for his effort as he made a few impressive saves. Eve also said the substitutes showed potential when they were introduced.Williams, who was disappointed following the performance, was also not too critical as the team did not train much as a squad.
In all fairness to the players a team that just came together it was difficult for them to put up any type of meaningful performance, Williams said.
Speaking more about the T&T squad, Williams said, That performance last night (Sunday) gave you a reflection of the present situation of football in T&T at this point in time. A team that was in training, but most of the players not in competition (and) new to the coach...definitely it was difficult for that T&T team presently to give any type of resistance or put up a meaningful fight against United States because of our situation presently.
Williams believes T&T need to start looking towards the 2026 World Cup as the 2022 World Cup is less than two years away.
Williams, a former T&T Under-20 coach, said when the second half changes were made T&T settled down and were more competitive.
The first half was four-nil and by the 62nd minute we were seven-nil. When he introduced the players more or less that he was working with locally from 62 minutes to 90 minutes they did not score another goal.
Williams added T&T had a better gameplay following the second-half substitutions.
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Fenwick to cherry-pick players after USA drubbing.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian).
National coach Terry Fenwick is set to begin selecting the players, who he believes will be of value to the construction of his team in the coming days and weeks.
His team will face Guyana in an opening World Cup qualifier on March 25 in T&T, but now he will relish the opportunity to make more informed decisions regarding team selection, following Sunday's 7-0 demolition by the United States at the Exploria Stadium in Orlando, Florida, USA.
For the most part, Fenwick's side lacked structure and organisation in defence and attack, a combination that was coupled with inexperience, nervousness and the recognition of the USA unmatched power on the night.
Fenwick, a former coach of local pro clubs San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC in his post-match interview on Sunday night told the media his players did not show the attitude needed: "We knew this was going to be a very tough game. They've got a terrific side across the board. Their development plan for the past five to seven years is producing top-class players. Having said that, I am really disappointed by the result, the scoreline. We went into the game with a game plan, and I can only think that some of the senior players, it was too much for them, the occasion, the USA which is a big team."
He noted further: "We did not have the big attitude, the big strength, the big ask and we were very poor in the opening stages, and it set the tone for the game."
The English-born coach has, for the past few months, made his concerns of a non-functional football league, and the difficulty to scout new overseas players, known to the national community, both of which, were caused by the COVID-19 pandemic.
Several months leading up to the USA versus T&T international friendly match, Fenwick had a squad of players training of which he reduced to a 23-man squad two weeks before the contest. Last Wednesday he announced a squad that comprised just seven local players and 17 foreign-base players to face the USA.
Fenwick, a former England World Cup player, said he took a gamble by using the overseas players from the MLS/USL, thus getting to see them for the first time against the USA. He felt they would have been more prepared for such a match. However, he said he will have to cherry-pick his players before he moves on.
"If there was an up-side, it was in the second half. I think Neveal Hackshaw came on and made a big difference. A good defender who played it well from the back, and the local guys in the middle of the park, well, they started playing a little bit of football. They pressed forward, got the penalty which was squandered. I saw that as a positive. It's up to me now to cherry-pick the ones that are going to be of value and move on to the next stage."
Fenwick let down by overseas players in 7-0 loss.
T&T Express Reports.
Gamble fails
Terry Fenwick handed seven players their international debuts against the United States in Orlando on Sunday evening, but the Trinidad and Tobago coach has admitted that the plan backfired. T&T were outclassed 7-0 by an under-strength USA team in their first warm-up match ahead of a March 25 opening World Cup qualifier against Guyana, and Fenwick was let down by some of the overseas-based players he called up for his first official match since taking over from Dennis Lawrence over a year ago.
I took the gamble because they play in the USA MLS and USL players. Fenwick said in an interview with TTFA Media, but added, I didnt see that experience coming through.
The former England defender noted: We crumbled very early. We had a gameplan how we were starting the game, first 15 minutes and senior players within the team mechanism switched off, and we gave the ball away cheaply in areas we discussed we wouldnt do so and that started us off all wrong and I thought that, throughout the first half was very poor. Our performance was terrible in the first half.
T&T went into the interval down 4-0, having conceded goals to Jonathan Lewis and Jesus Ferreira inside the first ten minutes. Both men went on to get doubles, as did Paul Arriola. Miles Robinson got the other goal for the home side. The Soca Warriors also had a chance to get on the scoresheet but Alvin Jones missed a 65th minute penalty.
I thought second half when the younger players came on, the younger guys that have been training for a while...they actually stuck to it (team game plan) and we started to play a bit of football, we made one or two little chances, got the penalty and I got to take a bit of positive out of that.
I liked some of what I saw, but obviously there is a great deal of work to be done, Fenwick said. The coach made direct mention of defender Neveal Hackshaw who was a second half substitute for Ajani Fortune. I thought Hackshaw came on and made a difference, good defender, played it well from the back, Fenwick said.
But of the debutants, Fenwick said specifically: They are playing in decent leagues. I expected more, I expected better and we just didnt perform.
Fortune, Federico Pena, Sean Bonval, Jabari Mitchell and Leland Archer got their first caps in the starting lineup, while Noah Powder and Michel Poon Angeron made their first appearances in the second half.
The coach added of his side: I can only think that some of the senior players, it was too much, the occasion, USA, big team, we didnt have the big attitude, the big strong hearts and we were very poor in the opening stages and it set the tone for the game.
Yesterday, Fenwick conducted a post mortem with his players where some frank talking was to take place.
Theres going to be a lot of disappointment tomorrow morning (Monday), Fenwick said. Well have a chat, we well get some points of view with the players, how they felt and then what I saw in the game....But weve got to be better than that. We had a game plan that we didnt speak to, we didnt start with, and that is nothing more than mentality, tough mentality.
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leave the man alone and piss off. it's not his fault that these grown ass men can dribble or make a proper a pass under pressure.
complain to the ministry of sports to invest in training schools to teach these lads how to play proper football, and invest in making the league more competitive, that is where your criticism should lay, not on miracle making coaches.
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leave the man alone and piss off. it's not his fault that these grown ass men can dribble or make a proper a pass under pressure.
complain to the ministry of sports to invest in training schools to teach these lads how to play proper football, and invest in making the league more competitive, that is where your criticism should lay, not on miracle making coaches.
Every coach does lose, Angus Eve and Brian Williams was no better as youth coaches.
In 2012 Angus Eve U-23 team lost 7-1 to Mexico in a CONCACAF Olympic qualifying match. He had some decent options on his team like; Sheldon Bateau, Kevan George, Sean De Silva, Curtis Gonzales, Kevin Molino, Cordell Cato, Shahdon Winchester, Robert Primus, Leston Paul, Jamal Gay, Khaleem Hyland, Jayson Joseph, Trevin Caesar, Mekeil Williams, Kareem Moses and Daneil Cyrus.
Angus Eve team also got hammered by USA if I remembered clearly, 5-1 or 6-1 I think?, Nick DeLeon was on the stands for that game in Cali.
Dennis Lawrence team lost 6-0 to USA in June 2019 in an actual Gold Cup match - Dennis Lawrence: 11-2-1-8-7-23 - Wins: 18 per cent; Draws: 9 per cent; Losses: 73 per cent.
Stats (https://www.socawarriors.net/federation-news/21840-who-was-t-t-s-best-and-worst-coach-in-this-millennium-wired868-uses-stats-to-answer.html)
Russell Latapy: 13-5-1-7-20-22 - Wins: 39 per cent; Draws: 7 per cent; Losses: 54 per cent. In 2005 the T&T Under-20 team participated in the youth World Championship qualifiers and lost 6-1 to the United States under Latapy.
In 2000 T&T lost 7-0 to Mexico in a world cup qualifier under Ian Porterfield. Some of the players involved were; Clayton Ince, Lyndon Andrews, Dale Saunders, Craig Dennin, Dennis Lawrence, Shurland David, Reynold Carrington, Stokley Mason, Angus Eve, Ancil Elcock, Jerren Nixon, Arnold Dwarika and Nigel Pierre.
Stats as of 2017 as T&T coaches,
Leo Beenhakker and Wim Rijsbergen. Eight winless matches with three successive defeats.
Zoran Vranes and Sebastian de Arajo. Eight winless matches with four successive defeats.
Dennis Lawrence. Nine winless matches with seven successive defeats.
Without picking sides.
In my opinion where Fenwick went wrong was, he should have started the more seasoned players like; Hashim Arcia, Duane Muckette, Jamal Jack (he did), Alvin Jones (he did), Neveal Hackshaw & Ryan Telfer (he did) also, Noah Powder, Brent Sam & Andre Fortune (he did) because of prior youth international experiences and slowly integrate the other inexperience players into the team.
Jabari Mitchell, Alvin Jones and Josiah Trimmingham was big let downs for players who have been around international football a while now.
Not sure why Daneil Cyrus and Curtis Gonzales didn't make the team, but they would have surely helped.
One thing for sure is Terry will learn quick and hopefully correct his mistakes.
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How did the match end up on TV?
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leave the man alone and piss off. it's not his fault that these grown ass men can dribble or make a proper a pass under pressure.
complain to the ministry of sports to invest in training schools to teach these lads how to play proper football, and invest in making the league more competitive, that is where your criticism should lay, not on miracle making coaches.
Every coach does lose, Angus Eve and Brian Williams was no better as youth coaches.
In 2012 Angus Eve U-23 team lost 7-1 to Mexico in a CONCACAF Olympic qualifying match. He had some decent options on his team like; Sheldon Bateau, Kevan George, Sean De Silva, Curtis Gonzales, Kevin Molino, Cordell Cato, Shahdon Winchester, Robert Primus, Leston Paul, Jamal Gay, Khaleem Hyland, Jayson Joseph, Trevin Caesar, Mekeil Williams, Kareem Moses and Daneil Cyrus.
Angus Eve team also got hammered by USA if I remembered clearly, 5-1 or 6-1 I think?, Nick DeLeon was on the stands for that game in Cali.
Dennis Lawrence team lost 6-0 to USA in June 2019 in an actual Gold Cup match - Dennis Lawrence: 11-2-1-8-7-23 - Wins: 18 per cent; Draws: 9 per cent; Losses: 73 per cent.
Stats (https://www.socawarriors.net/federation-news/21840-who-was-t-t-s-best-and-worst-coach-in-this-millennium-wired868-uses-stats-to-answer.html)
Russell Latapy: 13-5-1-7-20-22 - Wins: 39 per cent; Draws: 7 per cent; Losses: 54 per cent. In 2005 the T&T Under-20 team participated in the youth World Championship qualifiers and lost 6-1 to the United States under Latapy.
In 2000 T&T lost 7-0 to Mexico in a world cup qualifier under Ian Porterfield. Some of the players involved were; Clayton Ince, Lyndon Andrews, Dale Saunders, Craig Dennin, Dennis Lawrence, Shurlan David, Reynold Carrington, Stokley Mason, Angus Eve, Ancil Elcock, Jerren Nixon, Arnold Dwarika and Nigel Pierre.
Stats as of 2017 as T&T coaches,
Leo Beenhakker and Wim Rijsbergen. Eight winless matches with three successive defeats.
Zoran Vranes and Sebastian de Arajo. Eight winless matches with four successive defeats.
Dennis Lawrence. Nine winless matches with seven successive defeats.
Without picking sides.
In my opinion where Fenwick went wrong was, he should have started the more seasoned players like; Hashim Arcia, Duane Muckette, Jamal Jack (he did), Alvin Jones (he did), Neveal Hackshaw & Ryan Telfer (he did) also, Noah Powder, Brent Sam & Andre Fortune (he did) because of prior youth international experiences and slowly integrate the other inexperience players into the team.
Jabari Mitchell, Alvin Jones and Josiah Trimmingham was big let downs for players who have been around international football a while now.
Not sure why Daneil Cyrus and Curtis Gonzales didn't make the team, but they would have surely helped.
One thing for sure is Terry will learn quick and hopefully correct his mistakes.
They say Cyrus has a groin injury
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leave the man alone and piss off. it's not his fault that these grown ass men can dribble or make a proper a pass under pressure.
complain to the ministry of sports to invest in training schools to teach these lads how to play proper football, and invest in making the league more competitive, that is where your criticism should lay, not on miracle making coaches.
Every coach does lose, Angus Eve and Brian Williams was no better as youth coaches.
In 2012 Angus Eve U-23 team lost 7-1 to Mexico in a CONCACAF Olympic qualifying match. He had some decent options on his team like; Sheldon Bateau, Kevan George, Sean De Silva, Curtis Gonzales, Kevin Molino, Cordell Cato, Shahdon Winchester, Robert Primus, Leston Paul, Jamal Gay, Khaleem Hyland, Jayson Joseph, Trevin Caesar, Mekeil Williams, Kareem Moses and Daneil Cyrus.
Angus Eve team also got hammered by USA if I remembered clearly, 5-1 or 6-1 I think?, Nick DeLeon was on the stands for that game in Cali.
Dennis Lawrence team lost 6-0 to USA in June 2019 in an actual Gold Cup match - Dennis Lawrence: 11-2-1-8-7-23 - Wins: 18 per cent; Draws: 9 per cent; Losses: 73 per cent.
Stats (https://www.socawarriors.net/federation-news/21840-who-was-t-t-s-best-and-worst-coach-in-this-millennium-wired868-uses-stats-to-answer.html)
Russell Latapy: 13-5-1-7-20-22 - Wins: 39 per cent; Draws: 7 per cent; Losses: 54 per cent. In 2005 the T&T Under-20 team participated in the youth World Championship qualifiers and lost 6-1 to the United States under Latapy.
In 2000 T&T lost 7-0 to Mexico in a world cup qualifier under Ian Porterfield. Some of the players involved were; Clayton Ince, Lyndon Andrews, Dale Saunders, Craig Dennin, Dennis Lawrence, Shurlan David, Reynold Carrington, Stokley Mason, Angus Eve, Ancil Elcock, Jerren Nixon, Arnold Dwarika and Nigel Pierre.
Stats as of 2017 as T&T coaches,
Leo Beenhakker and Wim Rijsbergen. Eight winless matches with three successive defeats.
Zoran Vranes and Sebastian de Arajo. Eight winless matches with four successive defeats.
Dennis Lawrence. Nine winless matches with seven successive defeats.
Without picking sides.
In my opinion where Fenwick went wrong was, he should have started the more seasoned players like; Hashim Arcia, Duane Muckette, Jamal Jack (he did), Alvin Jones (he did), Neveal Hackshaw & Ryan Telfer (he did) also, Noah Powder, Brent Sam & Andre Fortune (he did) because of prior youth international experiences and slowly integrate the other inexperience players into the team.
Jabari Mitchell, Alvin Jones and Josiah Trimmingham was big let downs for players who have been around international football a while now.
Not sure why Daneil Cyrus and Curtis Gonzales didn't make the team, but they would have surely helped.
One thing for sure is Terry will learn quick and hopefully correct his mistakes.
I agree, but i dont know why everyones making such a big deal about this lose especially when there was nothing at stake? somehow trinis still have this silly played out notion in their heads of being beyond a trashing from the USA, when its all delusions of grandeur. The United States has definitely grown into a world football giant, and terry just fell pray to them. The positives that we come away with is that we know all who can and cannot compete at this level. I say take it for what its worth and move on.
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Terry should have taken up the offer to play Anguilla BEFORE facing the US, that I disagree with him on. This game would have been a good test for some of the none cap T&T players.
I am sure Stern John's team would have given us a good test for some of these young players.
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Advice and questions for coach Fenwick.
T&T Guardian Reports.
Dear Editor,
Can I offer some advice to our national coach Mr Terry Fenwick?
Firstly, Mr Fenwick, take the blame, accept the defeat as the team selection was a gamble and dont throw the players under the bus.
Secondly, your game plan was to beat the high pressure by going over the top played directly into the US game plan they wanted us to do that.
Thirdly, what did our players learn from our coaching staff tactically during the game? Because I saw nothing but a personality change.
You were hired to get us to the Gold Cup and the World Cup not to develop, we have a Technical Director for that project.
I'm a believer of our local players so our future is still good. Remember, it is you who told us that you were pleased with the team's preparation and touted the number of goals the team scored in three practice games two weeks ago. We didn't play football on Sunday against the USA, we played tennis ....7-0.
Trying to find positives to take away from the game, well the only positive that I saw, is that the men that he touted as having experience positively cannot play at the highest level as yet.
T&T have more academies now than in previous years so the future is in good hands. Player and coach selection is the critical process for international football that we keep underachieving. More than half of the players were on their offseason, while the others haven't been playing together for more than a year.
What did you really expect from them?
Coach Fenwick, why after training our local players for three months you decided to gamble with the 17 foreign-based players that haven't played any competitive football since last year when the both USL and MLS leagues came to an end. To me, the better move was to take the players that you selected that knew your game plan and then insert some of the foreign-based players in the second half.
Also, why wasn't our other professional goalkeeper Marvin Phillips, who has 78 national caps which means he's very experienced, used in the second half, why?.
The USA has players with Chelsea, Barcelona, Juventus, and other big-name clubs around the world not only on the rosters but playing. None of them played yesterday (Sunday), but some of the players that did play yesterday (Sunday) and are in negotiations with Swansea, Roma, and other clubs.
The USA has a pay to play model that doesnt work all of the time to identify low-income players, however, what it does is it creates an economy of youth football that is a billion-dollar industry in the US. The federation also has a foundation of scouts not just in the US but also in Europe identifying US-born players or players born of US parents. It took them decades to get to this point, but they committed.
The country will have setbacks like not qualifying for the 2018 World Cup, but the federation doesnt stop growing and getting better. The TTFA is 50-100 years behind getting at least to the level where the US is now, and until the country removes all of the egoistical people involved with football who should not be involved, then these are the results that you will continue to get.
I would have taken the local youth players with some senior players who are presently at home (Atullah) Guerra, (Willis) Plaza, Marcus Joseph and what happened to Che Benny and some of the other youth players with his ability maybe you can mention a few names because I don't know them all and should have never started with so many foreign-based players especially when you never had a chance to see them play some of them should have entered the game in the second half.
Earl "Mango" Pierre
T&T football supporter
St James
WATCH: Analysis of TNT vs USA performance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqVxEaDcHhE&feature=emb_title)
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Again. Thank you Mango.
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20k USA a month gets you that - demonstration of preparation, the play on the field and the decision making?
You know a colonial ploy was to go to the colonies - Africa America - Caribbean wherever.
- encounter the natives - give them a bag of beans for gold and riches and leave the natives thinking they were better of.
- is the same shite today - so hot shot agent get a sweet deal - get a man to coach ne'er stionsl ball and then we left with ah leaky boat
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WATCH: Men's Senior Team Head Coach Terry Fenwick talks about his post-match scenario, his scouting process and developing relationships beneficial to the cause of the National Team of Trinidad and Tobago
https://www.youtube.com/v/dxjCjVf3dAg
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Again. Thank you Mango.
thank you for what? Its a rubbish article. Hes mad because the USA trashed us and his ego is hurt thats all, but would never take responsibility that it was their complaisance over the many decades that is bearing fruit now. how many of them whos complaining got up off their asses and did anything to advance football in TT in a meaningful way?
Last year fifa came in and ban our federation who for the first time had great ideas to take football forward, and all of them sided with fifa citing that World Cup qualifying is coming and gold cup prelims Yada yada yah, all their focus was on instant gratification but never the future. its always about these tournaments that we struggle to compete well, instead of actually fixing football and insuring that we would have a steady crop of solid well groomed players going forward.
Its the real definition of madness, doing the very same thing for decades yet hoping for different results. bottom line is mr Pierre our lads aint good enough. they dont think well under pressure they dont know how to handle a ball at their feet while making sensible decisions, and you see that every time we play a team outside of CFU, the errant passes, their aerial game is piss poor, their first touch is atrocious, their lack of defensive training is evident where defenders are notorious for escorting attacking players. Mr mango what the hell are you on about? we got what we worked for.
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20k USA a month gets you that - demonstration of preparation, the play on the field and the decision making?
You know a colonial ploy was to go to the colonies - Africa America - Caribbean wherever.
- encounter the natives - give them a bag of beans for gold and riches and leave the natives thinking they were better of.
- is the same shite today - so hot shot agent get a sweet deal - get a man to coach ne'er stionsl ball and then we left with ah leaky boat
please mate with the nonsense. Dennis is a local and was getting the same salary. And in case you missed it terry lives in trinidad has a coaching school in trinidad, is married to a trini and has trini kids, has been in trinidad for decades and has coached in the pro league since the early 2000s. WTF more you want from the man as to qualify him for the post mr xenophobe?
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WATCH: Men's Senior Team Head Coach Terry Fenwick talks about his post-match scenario, his scouting process and developing relationships beneficial to the cause of the National Team of Trinidad and Tobago
https://www.youtube.com/v/dxjCjVf3dAg
terry you also need two solid foreign goalies because the two we have now are senile and seems to be regressing. for all the years these keepers has been training their skill set suggest that they just started learning the game or havent learned well.
To think that a keeper would run out at an attacker when his defender is engaging the attacker is a testament of their ignorance and ive seen this quite often with our goalies, no wonder these guys never attract the attention of foreign scouts.
I dont know whos training these keepers in the national set up but this has to be a serious cause for concern for any thinking coach because it happens too often, and when it does its always costly. BTW four of the seven goals were all goal keeping errors and could have been avoided.
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Big decisions for Fenwick
T&T Express Reports.
There are 50 days to go before Terry Fenwicks Soca Warriors enter the World Cup qualifying fray. Fifty days to wipe away the memory of 7-0 against the USA; 50 days to actually build a team.
After what he had to endure from the sidelines in Orlando on Sunday, one could excuse Fenwick from reaching for a bottle of something really strong and downing a glass or two. I wont recommend it, but the frustration and sense of embarrassment that match would have sparked was probably heavy, although a bit different to Fenwicks feelings back in 1986 in Mexico City when he and his England teammates were done in by a Diego Maradona one-two strike. That day, England were powerless to stop Maradonas cheating and dribbling brilliance.
But on Sunday, Fenwick had to take more personal responsibility for how his Trinidad and Tobago team played.
He went with a squad made up largely of players who ply their trade in North America, but by his own admission, that gamble failed.
I had six players start the game who I had not seen before. They are playing in decent leagues. I expected more, I expected better and we just didnt perform...I didnt see that experience coming through. I thought we crumbled very early. We had a gameplan how we were starting the game, first 15 minutes and senior players within the team mechanism switched off, and we gave the ball away cheaply in areas we discussed we wouldnt do so and that started us off all wrong.
Outside of the foreigners, captain for the match, Josiah Trimmingham was only playing his second international game. That was because regular skipper Khaleem Hyland, like Sheldon Bateau and Levi Garcia were not able to leave their clubs for a match which was not played in a FIFA window. Kevin Molino, Joevin Jones, Akeem Garcia and Andre Rampersad were also not available. So in a sense, Fenwicks hands were tied when he sat down to pick the squad for this trip. But within the limitations he faced, the coach had a decision to make - stick with the local squad which he had been working with or use the match as an audition for the unknowns from overseas. He went for the latter.
The question is what direction does Fenwick go in now with less than two months to the March 25 match against Guyana?
From his utterances since he took the job over a year ago, Fenwick seems to have little faith in the players who are still based here. The locals he has chosen to work with have been youngsters largely. But by his own admission, those youngsters gave Fenwick some of his best moments Sunday.
There were some positives, and those positives came from the younger guys coming through that have been working hard, he said.
Hint Terry: Go local.
Football is and always has been a team game. A bunch of players that has spent time building relationships on the field is always likely to be a better watch than a group of hastily assembled strangers. T&Ts own history speaks to this.
The Strike Squad of 1988-89 was a team of total locals that played some of the best football seen by a side from these parts. It was a team built around Everald Gally Cummings philosophy of how Trinis should play and was blessed with a level of talent that Fenwick doesnt have access to today. More than that, that squad developed a spirit and commitment to the cause that surpassed their collective abilities.
Indeed, times have changed. The best local players now kickball abroad. The 2006 Soca Warriors made the World Cup through established foreign talent. But truth is, even T&Ts most seasoned overseas pros have not been brilliant for the Warriors in recent years. Many of them are not regular starters on their teams. Yes, history has shown that for T&T at least, there is limited value in using players based in India, Saudi Arabia and even modest British, Central American and European leagues.
For T&T talent overseas to truly add value, the quality of the exports will have to improve first. You cant send Joe Mediocre away and get back Dwight Yorke.
But because he is in a results business, Fenwick must pursue the cream of the T&T crop so to speak and look to recruit the best available talent. However, that search cannot be at the expense of building a core team from the players who the coach can work with more regularly, even in these Covid-19 times.
That message should have come through very clearly last Sunday.
Already he is at a crossroads, for coach Fenwick has taken on a near mission impossible, with local football in its poorest state in living memory. No matter what his squad, this Road to Qatar 2022 journey is going to be a fairly short trip for Fenwick and T&T.
The real question will be whether coach Terry can start laying the ground for more successful journeys to come. He can only do that by preparing with a local crew.
Learning curve
Soca Warriors head coach Terry Fenwick admitted that he may have made a mistake in starting Sundays game with so many players that were relatively unknown to him but insisted that it was a starting point for his team, and they will now have to pull together for the real test in the World Cup qualifiers.
T&T senior mens footballers lost 7-0 to the USA in their first international game in over a year.
While he and his players were disappointed by the scoreline, Fenwick was heartened by the second half effort of his locally based players.
On the positive side, I saw a lot of the guys we put on in the second half and who are on the ground in Trinidad, they played 40 minutes, conceded one goal, created a penalty which we missed, but looked much more comfortable on the ball and thats just the time Ive spent with them on the training ground, Fenwick told TTFA media yesterday.
It showed me in the second half that were not far away with the locally based players, he added. Were all disappointed about the score and the players feels exactly the same. Weve gone through a game plan and that didnt work and when you concede two goals in the first five minutes, confidence crashes and game plans go out the window, Fenwick said as he reflected on the Sundays game.
They were literally on the their own and I was trying to prop them up from the side of the field, to get them to pull together. It was difficult. And in international football, you make one mistake you get punished for it and I thought I might have made a mistake about playing these guys too early, Fenwick admitted.
But I needed to see them, and I needed to see what they had about them and the same guys, on reflection, I recognise that we didnt stick to the game plan that we agreed to before the game, he continued. (Now), its about coming together and recognising the mistakes weve made on and off the field and pulling together for the serious stuff we have coming down the line as far World Cup qualifiers, he added.
This is a learning curve. Weve got to put ourselves together as quickly as we can. Weve got lots of other players all over the world that I would also like to see, he said. While he got a look at the USA players, he said he also has his eyes on players in the UK.
Kelvin Jack is doing a lot of that networking for me in the UK where we also got some top players that we want to bring into the camp, Fenwick revealed. T&T open their World Cup qualifying campaign against Guyana on March 25.
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WATCH: Men's Senior Team Head Coach Terry Fenwick talks about his post-match scenario, his scouting process and developing relationships beneficial to the cause of the National Team of Trinidad and Tobago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxjCjVf3dAg&feature=emb_title)
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There's certainly a LOT of public commentary about this match in the public domain. Not even Saintfiet attracted this level of weighing-in at his kick-off. There's a heavy public investment in this match psychologically ... which is an indicator of the ceiling to which football can be raised with proper governance.
General comment, not a veiled indictment of the NC. Merely something for the halls of officialdom to note.
Success to TF.
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There's certainly a LOT of public commentary about this match in the public domain. Not even Saintfiet attracted this level of weighing-in at his kick-off. There's a heavy public investment in this match psychologically ... which is an indicator of the ceiling to which football can be raised with proper governance.
General comment, not a veiled indictment of the NC. Merely something for the halls of officialdom to note.
Success to TF.
its like blaming the janitor for the buildings faulty wiring. these people needs prospective.
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There's certainly a LOT of public commentary about this match in the public domain. Not even Saintfiet attracted this level of weighing-in at his kick-off. There's a heavy public investment in this match psychologically ... which is an indicator of the ceiling to which football can be raised with proper governance.
General comment, not a veiled indictment of the NC. Merely something for the halls of officialdom to note.
Success to TF.
its like blaming the janitor for the buildings faulty wiring. these people needs prospective.
That may be partially so but you don't pay a janitor 20k USA a month if your don't think he has the skill set to repair what's wrong? At least he could run the wires so they could produce some kinda spark for that price!!!!
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Terry should have taken up the offer to play Anguilla BEFORE facing the US, that I disagree with him on. This game would have been a good test for some of the none cap T&T players.
I am sure Stern John's team would have given us a good test for some of these young players.
After the last time we played Anguilla......it would have been a riot from the time that game was announced. And besides....the US based would not have been available to play so what would have been the worth of it ?? How we going to judge them against Anguilla ???
Is the same thing they said the last time we played them......a waste of time.
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There's certainly a LOT of public commentary about this match in the public domain. Not even Saintfiet attracted this level of weighing-in at his kick-off. There's a heavy public investment in this match psychologically ... which is an indicator of the ceiling to which football can be raised with proper governance.
General comment, not a veiled indictment of the NC. Merely something for the halls of officialdom to note.
Success to TF.
its like blaming the janitor for the buildings faulty wiring. these people needs prospective.
That may be partially so but you don't pay a janitor 20k USA a month if your don't think he has the skill set to repair what's wrong? At least he could run the wires so they could produce some kinda spark for that price!!!!
The point is not whether or not he can run the wires or repair the problem....it is the prospective of blaming him for the faulty wiring that is there already.
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There's certainly a LOT of public commentary about this match in the public domain. Not even Saintfiet attracted this level of weighing-in at his kick-off. There's a heavy public investment in this match psychologically ... which is an indicator of the ceiling to which football can be raised with proper governance.
General comment, not a veiled indictment of the NC. Merely something for the halls of officialdom to note.
Success to TF.
its like blaming the janitor for the buildings faulty wiring. these people needs prospective.
That may be partially so but you don't pay a janitor 20k USA a month if your don't think he has the skill set to repair what's wrong? At least he could run the wires so they could produce some kinda spark for that price!!!!
you missed The Whole point mate. its not the coaches responsibility to teach you how to trap, how to dribble, how to pass, how to shield a ball under pressure, how to mark, how to create space, how to move off the ball, how to keep defensive shape, it is his responsibility however to teach you his system and to implement it, it is his responsibility to teach you tactical plays to break down you opponent.
No coach shouldnt have to teach players the technical aspect of football, that should already be in tact if youre a professional. its only fair that you know that almost of those seven goals players were either caught out of position, and were allowing players to go unmraked in the box. So Please mate spare me the old talk about 20k a month, because not even pep gardiola could get these technically flawed bunch to play decent football. these lads should have been taught well from a very young age to ball handle in the first place.
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There's certainly a LOT of public commentary about this match in the public domain. Not even Saintfiet attracted this level of weighing-in at his kick-off. There's a heavy public investment in this match psychologically ... which is an indicator of the ceiling to which football can be raised with proper governance.
General comment, not a veiled indictment of the NC. Merely something for the halls of officialdom to note.
Success to TF.
its like blaming the janitor for the buildings faulty wiring. these people needs prospective.
That may be partially so but you don't pay a janitor 20k USA a month if your don't think he has the skill set to repair what's wrong? At least he could run the wires so they could produce some kinda spark for that price!!!!
The point is not whether or not he can run the wires or repair the problem....it is the prospective of blaming him for the faulty wiring that is there already.
I should have read your comment before I wasted time to do all that typing. you said it way more effective and with less words. cheers.
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There's certainly a LOT of public commentary about this match in the public domain. Not even Saintfiet attracted this level of weighing-in at his kick-off. There's a heavy public investment in this match psychologically ... which is an indicator of the ceiling to which football can be raised with proper governance.
General comment, not a veiled indictment of the NC. Merely something for the halls of officialdom to note.
Success to TF.
its like blaming the janitor for the buildings faulty wiring. these people needs prospective.
That may be partially so but you don't pay a janitor 20k USA a month if your don't think he has the skill set to repair what's wrong? At least he could run the wires so they could produce some kinda spark for that price!!!!
The point is not whether or not he can run the wires or repair the problem....it is the prospective of blaming him for the faulty wiring that is there already.
In keeping with the same vein, :D
Who here didnt know the wiring was faulty ? Nobody expect him to fix it after one tryout game. Yet to AlBerta point that 20 k US $ a mth should not be going to playing with the lights and changing bulbs. It should be going towards an electrical team to deal with the wiring and upgrading the electrical box. But the managers hoping for a Jesus, to change around some bulbs, in the hope that we find one bright one to see we way, till that burn out. Wrong Again!
Maybe the issue is management cant see a electrical team worthy of 100k TT a mth to fix that wiring. Maybe the management team, is and has always been part of the wiring problem all along. Maybe the wire the store selling is of inferior quality and keeps burning out, before any constructive work can be done. Leaving everyone working in the dark.
Even shit-talk is partly organic, doh mean ppl should eat it.
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There's certainly a LOT of public commentary about this match in the public domain. Not even Saintfiet attracted this level of weighing-in at his kick-off. There's a heavy public investment in this match psychologically ... which is an indicator of the ceiling to which football can be raised with proper governance.
General comment, not a veiled indictment of the NC. Merely something for the halls of officialdom to note.
Success to TF.
its like blaming the janitor for the buildings faulty wiring. these people needs prospective.
That may be partially so but you don't pay a janitor 20k USA a month if your don't think he has the skill set to repair what's wrong? At least he could run the wires so they could produce some kinda spark for that price!!!!
The point is not whether or not he can run the wires or repair the problem....it is the prospective of blaming him for the faulty wiring that is there already.
In keeping with the same vein, :D
Who here didnt know the wiring was faulty ? Nobody expect him to fix it after one tryout game. Yet to AlBerta point that 20 k US $ a mth should not be going to playing with the lights and changing bulbs. It should be going towards an electrical team to deal with the wiring and upgrading the electrical box. But the managers hoping for a Jesus, to change around some bulbs, in the hope that we find one bright one to see we way, till that burn out. Wrong Again!
Maybe the issue is management cant see a electrical team worthy of 100k TT a mth to fix that wiring. Maybe the management team, is and has always been part of the wiring problem all along. Maybe the wire the store selling is of inferior quality and keeps burning out, before any constructive work can be done. Leaving everyone working in the dark.
Even shit-talk is partly organic, doh mean ppl should eat it.
AB I wouldn't call a janitor to do electrical work not even for a dollar. That might be where you short-circuited. :devil:
@maxg ... that part in bold ... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Yeah ah bust out the vein ah lilbit dey. Sorry.
But talk cheap, although plenty of us dont have a voice when or where it matters.
To many people want to do their own individual thing, very few willing to follow a consented leader, unless a coup occurs.
Ask for a opinion on this board, we all want the same thing, yet you will get 200 opinions, and we cant agree on one step forward together as one. Yet we expect our admin to just do it. Do what ?
Once Fenwick was hot, he was successful, he produced. That was awhile ago. We have 300 other coaches now, and everyone thinks they better.
Fenwick went elsewhere, get licks, come back home get licks. Yet he deserve a shot that he should of had years ago, ok. However, the mold and confusion has spread since then. We have plenty more qualified coaches now, and their system is best.
We let the best coach we could ever had get away, and many grumble, but plenty still clap and support the
decision. No voice, plenty talk. Instead of we protest, we start to attack those that constantly did, and instead of we pull together and deal with the admin. Many chose to deal with the typing protestors, and thus we turn against ourselves.
We have numbers and all we make is a noise that ppl just ignore. I turning 66 this year, dont have much time left ahead of me, I going to try (try ah say) to focus on more positive and productive and helpful things for these last few. It dont look like TT football, or much TT at all. Yet its still my birth place, meh navel string bury deh and so will be my soul. Football is my love, even if she didnt love me back as I did. Now , priorities changed, even if I still love she and my country.
Add: I would be remiss if I dont thank the footballing gods for letting me see both my countries flags at A FIFA World Cup tournament. For this and many other observations, I give thanks.
My dad represent T&T.
My family compete and win medals at the Olympics
My wife and kids compete and win medals representing both T&T and Canada.
Meeting and competing against the great Hasely.
Representing province in Football, Track and my schools in basketball.
Seeing some of the greatest local and foreign play the game I love.
My mom reaching a century.
Plenty more to be thankful for. Not letting 20 to nothing sour all of that.
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Plenty more to be thankful for. Not letting 20 to nothing sour all of that.
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Every battle is won before its ever fought. ― Sun Tzu.
We lost this game about 6 years ago.
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Why is fenwick keeping the players who are eligible for us a secret . liam moore of reading just got his jamaican passport and gray of watford is pursuing his all announced by the jamaican federation. I have a mind is some national league players he calling up .....
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From my observation on Fenwick.
I think Terry can form a decent game plan. But it would be quite basic. He usually create teams from the back. Solid defence, hard to breakdown but not very imaginative going forward. Lots of 0-0 and 1-0 results.
I dont think he can change tactics mid game. So if he goes 1-0 down, he probably will lose. His talent is in building a good team spirit. Players will fight for him and dig deep. Hes a good motivator. However, he rarely takes responsibility and usually blame players for poor results.
See how Liburd turned on Terry? Hes really developed a reputation of stabbing people in the back. You notice how lots of the main football people dont talk to him? Hes shit on everyone over the years!
Terry will do well against most regional teams, but the better coached teams will expose his lack of tactical ability. Check Terrys stats in Belgium. Lots of whippings over there because his lack of tactical adaptability was exposed!
Look how he did nothing on Sunday vs USA to stop the attacks down the wings! His successes have always come when hes had money to spend. Thats because the players make him look good! When Clico left Jabloteh, Terry followed. He demands exorbitant salaries and will sacrifice players to earn what he wants.
As for Sean Bonval, he is ok. He could be a regular in the team but he wont be a star.
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From my observation on Fenwick.
I think Terry can form a decent game plan. But it would be quite basic. He usually create teams from the back. Solid defence, hard to breakdown but not very imaginative going forward. Lots of 0-0 and 1-0 results.
I dont think he can change tactics mid game. So if he goes 1-0 down, he probably will lose. His talent is in building a good team spirit. Players will fight for him and dig deep. Hes a good motivator. However, he rarely takes responsibility and usually blame players for poor results.
See how Liburd turned on Terry? Hes really developed a reputation of stabbing people in the back. You notice how lots of the main football people dont talk to him? Hes shit on everyone over the years!
Terry will do well against most regional teams, but the better coached teams will expose his lack of tactical ability. Check Terrys stats in Belgium. Lots of whippings over there because his lack of tactical adaptability was exposed!
Look how he did nothing on Sunday vs USA to stop the attacks down the wings! His successes have always come when hes had money to spend. Thats because the players make him look good! When Clico left Jabloteh, Terry followed. He demands exorbitant salaries and will sacrifice players to earn what he wants.
As for Sean Bonval, he is ok. He could be a regular in the team but he wont be a star.
This is CLEAR to see.
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Just not good enough, Mr Fenwick
By Angela Pidduck (T&T Express)
Even before the first goal in the second minute it was obvious that the Trinidad and Tobago footballers had not practised as a team, but had been pulled individually from their overseas teams, resulting in lack of cohesion.
Admitting that you may have made a mistake, Mr Fenwick, does not cut it. Thats not what someone coaching at international level is paid to do.
As the disastrous game continued I recalled that 60-plus years ago, we had witnessed many Intercol games between St Marys and QRC with performances where the players were a well knit unit and provided more exciting teamwork from the first minute.
No offence to last Sundays team as it was totally not their fault, but they looked like a pick-up side, obviously unaccustomed to playing as a team, while the Americans knew exactly where to find each other, the spaces and definitely the goal.
But thats what coaches are there for and maybe Mr Fenwick should have concentrated, like a Gally Cummings or Bertille St Clair, on preparing a team which looked like a team. No excuses.
And now moving forward, please forget the suggestion of weve got a lot of players all over the world that I would also like to see for the serious stuff coming down the line as far as World Cup qualifiers go.
Leave the coming together and recognition of mistakes on and off the field for the football fields right here in Trinidad and Tobago, but do not to spend all that money to bring players from other parts of the world to the United States to tell us, This is a learning curve.
That is unacceptable, Mr Fenwick.
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Why is fenwick keeping the players who are eligible for us a secret .
I don't blame him for this. With them foreign born youths, I wouldn't count my chickens until they show up either.
I did however notice the same things Insider talk about -- in pre-match interviews Fenwick talking about USA Europe based players as if it was our poor little under 23 boys against something that not supposed to be equivalent; no change is strategy during the match, little no no tactical acumen. I get the same wool over the eyes vibes that I got from Dennis early on. I believe in giving people their fair chance but I noticing...and the underhanded contract scenario only shorten my fuse for him.
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Under United TTFA an in-depth scouting network was created with the help of your very own Nigel Myers. I believe a database of over 500 players both male and female were created using Google spreadsheets of North American and European based professionals eligible to represent T&T.
The women U20s were the first to benefit from this network, having reached the quarterfinals of the Concacaft U20 Championships using a number of players located using this network. This was done just a couple months into its development and formation.
Terry Fenwick rejected the use of this scouting network because he said he had his own scouts and connections to locate players in North America and Europe. Listening to his interview after the USA demolition he stated that he selected some players using the YouTube footage of these players. :rotfl:
Fenwick also rejected the now deceased, Style of Play Document because he did not have the intellectual fortitude to create so he wanted to have nothing to do with it.
What an embarrassment to hear the Head Coach on the International level scout for players using YouTube footage and highlights. Who are your scouts Mr. Fenwick? Where is your scouting network of objective data? You have players such as, John Paul Rochford, former U15, U17 & U20 National Captain not selected to the traveling squad for the USA game but Gary Griffith son made the team? How and Why?
Terry Fenwick will be successful hopefully at the regional level as some of our Intercol Teams can probably compete at the regional level but we will NEVER qualify for a World Cup with Fenwick in charge. With the normalization committee filling his pockets with money he is there to stay, like the true slave master we cant help but to surrender ourselves too.
What a SHAME!! Carry on folks, there is nothing to see here!!!
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Fenwick: I apologise for taking the game and the gamble but we need to recognise where we are
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).
[] I apologise for taking the game and the gamble but we need to recognise where we are and how the rest of the world are operating.
[] My locally-based national team have been battering local regional teams back home because we have been working and developing a game plan that suits our players against teams who are not playing football at all. We fell short on delivery of the game plan we set out to achieve
The following is a statement by Trinidad and Tobago Mens National Senior Team head coach Terry Fenwick, on his social media page, in the wake of the Soca Warriors 7-0 friendly international loss to the United States on 31 January 2021:
Extremely disappointing result and score line. I apologise for taking the game and the gamble but we need to recognise where we are and how the rest of the world are operating.
The USA development program over the last seven years is now bearing its fruits [with] quality players at Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Juventus, Dortmund and Chelsea amongst others, playing a style of football that suits the players; and in typical USA fashion everything is based on stats. USA Under-15, Under-17, and Under-20 teams [are] now furnishing the USA Senior Team.
My locally-based national team have been battering local regional teams back home because we have been working and developing a game plan that suits our players against teams who are not playing football at all.
Many of our US-based players we met on Friday prior to the game. They come from a better and more professional environment/background than we have in T&T. We fell short on delivery of the game plan we set out to achieve. The occasion, the magnitude of the game, the required mindset (bad mind), we fell short [in those areas].
Positives from the evening for me: my changes after 50 minutes, [and the] local lads who came on with Neveal Hackshaw. I saw a different mentality, young players showing commitment and taking responsibility.
Within their 40 minute experience, [Trinidad and Tobago had] one goal against, a penalty missed and several positive passages of play.
One step at a time
Editors Note: Trinidad and Tobagos 7-0 loss to the United States was the joint highest ever defeat by a Mens National Senior Team in 113 years.
The 7-0 marker was set previously on 8 October 2000 when, having already qualified for the Concacaf Hex, then coach Ian Porterfield took a second string team to the Azteca Stadium in Mexico City.
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Fenwick: We didnt have the big attitude, T&T coach says players botched game plan in USA mauling.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).
Soca Warriors head coach Terry Fenwick blamed the Trinidad and Tobago Football Associations (TTFA) inadequate development programme in general and the poor concentration of his players in particular, as the Mens National Senior Team slumped to a joint national record 7-0 loss last night in friendly action away to the United States in Orlando.
It was Fenwicks opening game in charge since he was hired in December 2019, on US$20,000 (TT$135,000) per month, and the Warriors fell behind after just one minute and 43 seconds and never recovered. They trailed 4-0 at the half and conceded three more in the opening 17 minutes of the second half.
Fenwick, a former England World Cup defender, said the occasion was too much for his players.
We went in the game with a game plan, Fenwick told the TTFA Media. I can only think that for some of the senior players, it was too muchthe occasion. We didnt have the big attitude, the big strength.
[] We were very poor in the opening stages and it set the tone for the game.
Fenwick, who started national team training last July, introduced eight new overseas-based players to his squad in Orlando with five of those recruits playing from the startincluding debutants Leland Archer in central defence, Federico Pena at right back, and 18-year-old Ajani Fortune in midfield.
He suggested that he was dissatisfied with their output.
I took the gamble because they are playing in the USA, [they are] MLS and USL players, said the Warriors coach. I didnt see that experience coming through. I thought we crumbled very early.
[] I had six players start the game that I had not seen before [in the flesh]. I expected more, I expected better. We just didnt perform. It was like the occasion was too much.
It was, arguably, an incomplete assessment of the thinking that went into Fenwicks starting team.
The English coach started a portly Josiah Trimmingham in central defence and gave him the captains armband in only his second international appearance, while 18-year-old Ajani Fortune, an academy player at Atlanta United, has only played 11 senior games in his entire careerall in the US lower leagues.
And his sole Major League Soccer (MLS) player, full back Noah Powder, did not feature until the 82nd minute, while Neveal Hackshaw, an all-star player in the US second tier who can operate in midfield or defence, had to wait until the second half to get on the field.
Fenwick said his starting team failed to follow his tactical plan of playing the ball long and pressing the Americans high up the field.
We recognised that the USA are very energetic [] and they press very quickly from the front, said Fenwick. So the game plan was to turn them around early doors, get them running back to their own goalso we could be the ones pressing. Get [the ball] in behind [their defence], lets pack in and close them down.
And you recognised from the first goal; Leland Archer trying to place a ball into midfield, which they capitalised on, bang a goal within minutes.
In truth though, Trinidad and Tobago never got any value from Fenwicks high press, which the Americans easily played past to find oceans of space to stream into. Left back Sam Vines and winger Jonathan Lewis were particularly rampant down the left flank, while, on the other wing, Paul Arriola often snuck away from Jamal Jack in transition.
Fenwick started two rookies, Sean Bonval and Jabari Mitchell, in attacking wide positions and the teams high press often left them isolated from their own full backs during the Warriors defensive transitions. The Trinidad and Tobago midfield failed to sufficiently slow the advance of their opponents too.
As for the long ball approach that Fenwick pointed to, by halftime the Warriors managed just 99 passes with an accuracy rate of 57 percent. The Americans had 328 passes by then with a 91 percent accuracy rate.
We had a game plan how we wanted to start the first 15 minutes and senior players within the mechanism switched off, said Fenwick. We gave the ball away cheaply in areas we already discussed we wouldnt do so, and that started us off all wrong. I thought that throughout the first half was very poor, our performance was terrible.
In the second half when our younger players came onour local guys who have been training for a whilethey actually stuck to [the game plan] and we started to play a bit of football. Ive got to take a bit of positive out of that.
I liked some of what I saw but obviously there is a great deal of work to be done.
Fenwick introduced Duane Muckette, Matthew Woo Ling, Michel Poon-Angeron and Hackshaw just before the hour mark while Justin Garcia replaced the injured Trimmingham.
I think youve got to recognise the best bits of football we played, if there is an upside, it was in the second half, said Fenwick. I think Hackshaw came on and made a good difference [] and our local guys in the middle of the park started to play a bit of football, pressed forward, got the penalty which was squandered [by Alvin Jones].
I saw that as a positive. It is up to me now to cherrypick the ones that are going to be of value and move on to the next stage.
Muckette and Poon-Angeron, in particular, gave the Warriors more poise on the ball. But it is also worth noting that USA coach Gregg Berhalter withdrew Arriola and Jess Ferreira in the 65th minute, and at least one of the pair was involved in each of their seven goals last night.
Americas last goal came in the 62nd minute. But the hosts continued to create chances throughout, although their incisiveness had gone.
Fenwick reminded local football fans of the gap between the two nations.
The US have got guys at Barcelona, Chelsea all over the world, he said. [] They are doing a wonderful job with their development programme. We havent got a development programme. Theres nothing.
[] By the time the players get to my national side, there is still a helluva lot of development to be done. We have got to try to correct that.
Trinidad and Tobagos developmental issues were not only an issue for Fenwick, of course, and it did not stop him from criticising the work and acumen of previous coachesnot least his immediate predecessor, Dennis Lawrence. (Former head coach Stephen Hart, for instance, took the Warriors to Buenos Aires to face a full strength Argentina team with Lionel Messi in 2014 and fared better.)
At his unveiling on 6 January 2020, Fenwick took a swipe at Lawrence who lost 6-0 to USA at the 2019 Concacaf Gold Cup.
I think the past administration was playing a style of football that clearly doesnt work and sticks out like a sore thumb, based on the results that weve seen, said Fenwick. Ive got to change that We are blessed with some fantastic footballers, but unless you put them footballers together in a system of play that suits them, you lose games and thats what weve had.
Some teams get beat by playing the wrong style of football. Play to what your strengths are and then that will pull you through
Im good at putting pictures in the players minds, structuring a team so they know where to fall back if they are not playing as well. So they have a game plannot just when we are defending but in terms of how we keep the ball and how we hurt the opposition.
After 12 months on the job, there was no sign yet of progress. However, on the plus side, Fenwick wont have to face the United States every day.
Trinidad and Tobago are expected to host Dominica and St Vincent and the Grenadines later this month in more friendly action. Then the Warriors start their Qatar 2022 World Cup qualifying campaign on 25 March, when they host Guyana.
By then, Fenwick would hope to have a couple new UK-born players alongside stalwarts like Kevin Molino, Levi Garcia, Joevin Jones, Sheldon Bateau and captain Khaleem Hyland, who were missed yesterday.
[The World Cup qualifying campaign] was always our focus, he said. We have to move on from this There were some positives from the younger guys coming through; we had some nice passages of play.
We are playing against a top class team A lot of the things that we were working on, they do very well I just thought they gave us a lesson on what we were trying to work at ourselves.
Coaches usually suffer chastening results towards the end of their stint, Fenwick got his on his first outing. Time will tell if there is comfort to be derived from starting off at rock bottom.
In any case, the Englishman wont be going anywhere soon. A crucial tweak in the contract offered to him by the TTFA Board means that Fenwick has to win just two gamesagainst Montserrat and either Cuba or French Guianato trigger a two year extension, which comes with a pay increase to US$25,000 (TT$169,000) per month.
(The TTFA technical committee, chaired by Keith Look Loy, challenged Fenwick to secure a Gold Cup quarterfinal place to get an extension, but the coach had then president William Wallace alter his terms so that merely qualifying for the Gold Cup is sufficient.)
The Fenwick era has started. It can only get bettersurely.
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Dear Editor: Fenwick used the Soca Warriors like a bait dogit is indefensible!
Wired868.com.
[] In boxing, theres a term called a bad beating in which the victims never quite recover to fight at an equal or better level. It is why some fights are not taken and why some corners throw in the towel.
Where was the initiative to protect these players psyche from a bad beating that could have been much worse? He has now established inferiority, and if it dwells in the squad it can ingrain defeatism
The following Letter to the Editor was submitted to Wired868 by Sherwyn Besson, who is an author, business teacher at New York City Department of Education, and a former Trinidad and Tobago national youth team player, with an advanced coaching certificate from the National Soccer Coaches Association of America:
The text read: Bredda, yuh see that shit last night boy??? Geez. Thrillers (a small goal championship franchise from La Horquetta in the 80s) would have played better. As an ex-national, that must have boiled your blood.
And it did. I had already dissected the game 20 minutes in, and the brutal indictment called for systemic change, having followed the associations turmoil the previous years. The Soca Warriors were a bait dog on Sunday night.
Bait dogs are good for mutilation practice by the game dog without the risk of harm to the latter. Bait dogs are not meant to recover, go to the hills and train, learn new Shaolin techniques, and then exact vicious revenge. They are irreparably maimed and killed.
And that is what we were in Orlandoa bait dog.
The professional coach that led us left much to be desired in his decision to take this fixture, and his post-match comments. He could not care less about our national psyche and identity, which is closely tied to sport.
His perfunctory excuse about proximity measurement required against the best in our region bears little value, because any coach with their fundamentals and technicals in place understands that progression is critical to developing and inspiring belief.
There was no gradual climb to challenging fixtures after crisis and turmoil in the association and a pandemic that has dented opportunities for preparation. No. The decision was indefensible.
Lets take on the best in our region, who happen to be churning out world class talent like a 70s GM auto-plant. Instead of conceding that this was an error, our team leader doubled down, as though Trinidadians are not sophisticated about football at every level.
At its best, his response was condescending; and at worst, it was dismissive of our culture.
Our leadership sanctioned the coach to take a woefully ill-prepared squad to represent all that we are and have been, treating what we hold precious as a disposable commodity to strengthen the confidence and egos of the American machine, as though they need more psychological currency.
Developing a giant-killer mentality starts with small steps, including confidence-boosting wins and hardening the unit; and it ends with a confident, hungry, and well-prepared David ready to take on an over-confident Goliath.
In boxing, theres a term called a bad beating in which the victims never quite recover to fight at an equal or better level. It is why some fights are not taken and why some corners throw in the towel.
Where was the initiative to protect these players psyche from a bad beating that could have been much worse? He has now established inferiority, and if it dwells in the squad it can ingrain defeatism.
Maybe here is where I insert prospective replacements, but I will not be their HR Department. I would like to see the job posting for national coach. Screening should exclude egregious assault during a game, and disrespect for our history and sensibilities.
Trinidad is replete with talented leaders in the fieldat home and worldwide. I do know that we need to stop the desecration, and hire people who understand what we represent. Why do we allow these people to wield this kind of power over what we value precious, yet fragileour pride? This is by far the worst national embarrassment by score and optic I have witnessed.
Clearly, it is not just about regime change. Maybe we the people need to hone our inner game dog against bait dog leadership.
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Fenwick: This is the starting position we werent far away [from USA] with our local-based players
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).
Trinidad and Tobago Mens National Senior Team head coach Terry Fenwick today continued to reframe the narrative around his international coaching debuta joint national record 7-0 loss to the United States in Orlando on Sundayas he suggested some positives to local football fans, in an interview with the TTFA Media.
The Soca Warriors conceded their first goal after one minute and 43 seconds and trailed 4-0 at the interval and 6-0 by the hour mark. However, Fenwick pointed out that he sent on most of his local-based players, Duane Muckette, Matthew Woo Ling and Michel Poon-Angeron, between the 56th and the 58th minutes.
And Trinidad and Tobago conceded just one more goal after that point.
Incidentally, United States coach Gregg Berhalter subbed forward Jess Ferreira and winger Paul Arriola in the 65th minute, and the pair contributed a combined four goals and four assists on the night. The hosts did not score again, once they left the field.
Still, Fenwick suggested that the last 30 minutes of Sundays international friendly, rather than the first 60, offered the best appraisal of his coaching skillssince more of the boys he coached in Trinidad were on the field.
The best measure of his work, in short, was given when the game was already lost and by the players he initially overlooked, for the North America-based call-ups.
On the positive side, I saw a lot of the guys we put on in the second half that have been with me in Trinidad, he told the TTFA Media, they played 40 minutes, conceded one goal and created a penalty situation where we missed. [They] looked much more comfortable on the ball.
That is just time; thats the time Ive spent with them on the training ground. Many of the guys from the US and elsewhere in the world, I am looking at them on video, on Wyscout, on YouTube and many of the social and other platforms, because that is all Ive got available to me.
It is not easy But it showed me in the second half we werent far away with the local based players, who I thought done a lot of credit for themselves.
At the final whistle, Trinidad and Tobago managed a solitary shot on targetAlvin Jones saved penaltyand earned one corner kick, while their pass accuracy was 65 percent with 226 completed passes (after just 99 in the first half).
The United States had 12 shots on target and 586 completed passes at an accuracy rate of 90 percent.
Fenwick also gave some insight into his scouting regime as he credited Matthew Wilson for sourcing players in North America and assistant coach/goalkeeping coach Kelvin Jack for a similar job in the United Kingdom.
Full back Federico Pena and unused substitute Jonathan Jimenez were both brand new to the Trinidad and Tobago set-up, although the other North-America based debutantsLeland Archer, Ajani Fortune and Noah Powderalready wore the red, white and black at national youth level.
There was no suggestion that the former England 1986 World Cup defender utilised the Talent Identification and Player Pool (TIPP) programme introduced in North America last year by then TTFA technical committee chairman Keith Look Loy, which was headed by Justin Reid and Sean Powder and comprised of over 15 scouts, including Errol McFarlane, Leslie Tiger Fitzpatrick, Ivan Sampson, Wendell Regis, Kernell Borneo, Kenrick Ramirez, and Nigel Myers.
The Englishman reiterated his previous sentiments that a shortage of time with the five North America-based players who started the match was a big contributor to the lopsided scoreline.
They came 48 hours before the gamethat was the first time I was meeting them, he said. So we had a game plan on the ground in Trinidad with the locally based players. And it was a big gamble for me to throw them in that first game after only two or three training sessions
At the same time, Fenwick defended his decision to put the overseas-based players in his first team. And, even though he appeared to apologise for his Sunday selection on Monday, he saidon Tuesdaythat he actually made the right call, despite the outcome.
In my very first session, it was about the players bonding; and after I went to individual attacker against defender, so I can see what they can dosometimes within the team mechanism you can miss a lot of things on individuals, said the Warriors head coach, who stressed that the new additions were all nice guys. And they all looked very good. Some of the US fellahs looked a little better than the guys we had on the ground in Trinidadand they should be, theyre playing a better [level] of football.
[] And I thought I might have made a mistake about playing these guys too early; but I needed to see them, I needed to see what they had about them. And the same guys on reflection are recognising that we didnt stick to the game plan that we agreed before the game.
Ultimately then, Fenwick said it was player errors which proved to be the undoing of the Trinidad and Tobago team, and not tacticsas suggested by Club Sando FC and former national youth team coach Angus Eve.
When you concede two goals in the first four or five minutes, confidence crashes, game plan goes out the window and they were literally on their own, he said, and I was trying to prop them up on the side of the field to get them to pull together. It was difficult.
In the game that we play today, international football, you make one mistake you get punished for it.
Once more, he credited the strength of his opponent.
You recognise the USA team, [their players] come through under-15, under-17, under-20 [teams] before they go into the national [senior] side, said Fenwick. Everything is documented, everything is video recorded, and they very much run things forward on stats.
Ten of the 17 players used by Berhalter on Sunday had national youth team experience. However, 11 from Fenwicks 17 players had also played international football at youth levelas did four of Trinidad and Tobagos unused substitutes.
Wired868 could not question Fenwick directly about the point he was trying to make, while he has so far not responded to messages.
I wish [Fifa-appointed normalisation committee chairman Robert Hadad] could have come to see the resources that we have got here in the States, Fenwick told the TTFA press officer, and not only the resources, the mindset of the Americans helping us out at every level. They have got expertise all over the place.
[] Thats the level we have got to be reaching out for.
Fenwick warned that he has another crop of first-time players who he hopes to assimilate by the time Trinidad and Tobago open their World Cup qualifying campaign against Guyana on 25 March.
Pulling them together before the 25th of March will be difficult, some of these players I again will be seeing them for two or three or four sessions before we actually go into games, he said. So it is a very difficult situation and one that will only be cured over time and [with] development.
Fenwick thanked the Ministry of National Security for helping the team with a training venue, refreshments, passports and visa, as well as the Ministry of Health and Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley for allowing them to restart their programme during the Covid-19 pandemic.
And he insisted that the Warriors will emerge better for their chastening experience in Orlando.
It was a big ask, the United States of America [] and now that I have had a chance to review and look at the game and speak to the players, we are all very disappointed about the resultof course we arebut this is the starting position, this is a learning curve, said Fenwick. We have to pull ourselves together as quickly as we can So as thats unfolded, it is about coming together, it is about recognising the mistakes we have made on and off the field and pulling it together for the [World Cup and Gold Cup qualifiers].
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On the positive side, I saw a lot of the guys we put on in the second half that have been with me in Trinidad, he told the TTFA Media, they played 40 minutes, conceded one goal and created a penalty situation where we missed. [They] looked much more comfortable on the ball.
That is just time; thats the time Ive spent with them on the training ground. Many of the guys from the US and elsewhere in the world, I am looking at them on video, on Wyscout, on YouTube and many of the social and other platforms, because that is all Ive got available to me.
It is not easy But it showed me in the second half we werent far away with the local based players, who I thought done a lot of credit for themselves.
One setta mamaguy talk.
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On the positive side, I saw a lot of the guys we put on in the second half that have been with me in Trinidad, he told the TTFA Media, they played 40 minutes, conceded one goal and created a penalty situation where we missed. [They] looked much more comfortable on the ball.
That is just time; thats the time Ive spent with them on the training ground. Many of the guys from the US and elsewhere in the world, I am looking at them on video, on Wyscout, on YouTube and many of the social and other platforms, because that is all Ive got available to me.
It is not easy But it showed me in the second half we werent far away with the local based players, who I thought done a lot of credit for themselves.
One setta mamaguy talk.
Mamaguy is a tactic.
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Mamaguy is a tactic that seldom works for long
Fixed it
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Mamaguy is a tactic that seldom works for long
Fixed it
From what I've gathered, it is a national pastime ... so :-\. Seems to work just fine in politics. Lots of evidence that football has not been immune.
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Terry your stubbornness...will be your demise...
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On the positive side, I saw a lot of the guys we put on in the second half that have been with me in Trinidad, he told the TTFA Media, they played 40 minutes, conceded one goal and created a penalty situation where we missed. [They] looked much more comfortable on the ball.
That is just time; thats the time Ive spent with them on the training ground. Many of the guys from the US and elsewhere in the world, I am looking at them on video, on Wyscout, on YouTube and many of the social and other platforms, because that is all Ive got available to me.
It is not easy But it showed me in the second half we werent far away with the local based players, who I thought done a lot of credit for themselves.
One setta mamaguy talk.
Mamaguy is a tactic.
Is just as bad as talking about about dem big victories against fete match teams. People probably thought we had one setta fire power. Now he trying to equate bringing on the trained locals with only conceding one goal. Steups! I in town too long. Come better dan dat.
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Mamaguy is a tactic that seldom works for long
Fixed it
From what I've gathered, it is a national pastime ... so :-\. Seems to work just fine in politics. Lots of evidence that football has not been immune.
Yep. And when the mark buss, then is all kinda big news .... for a week, till the next mamaguy mark buss.. 2 mthss later, everybody forget the previous mamaguax (pl) , as so much bachanal pass.. and we in ah maxi of a different colour... we even forget about the horse or donkey we rode in on. Cant maintain no positive level of consistency.
Always some tata to be reported and nuff reasons given to us why it smelling so. Not really realizing is we own leg the thing running down.
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From my observation on Fenwick.
I think Terry can form a decent game plan. But it would be quite basic. He usually create teams from the back. Solid defence, hard to breakdown but not very imaginative going forward. Lots of 0-0 and 1-0 results.
I dont think he can change tactics mid game. So if he goes 1-0 down, he probably will lose. His talent is in building a good team spirit. Players will fight for him and dig deep. Hes a good motivator. However, he rarely takes responsibility and usually blame players for poor results.
See how Liburd turned on Terry? Hes really developed a reputation of stabbing people in the back. You notice how lots of the main football people dont talk to him? Hes shit on everyone over the years!
Terry will do well against most regional teams, but the better coached teams will expose his lack of tactical ability. Check Terrys stats in Belgium. Lots of whippings over there because his lack of tactical adaptability was exposed!
Look how he did nothing on Sunday vs USA to stop the attacks down the wings! His successes have always come when hes had money to spend. Thats because the players make him look good! When Clico left Jabloteh, Terry followed. He demands exorbitant salaries and will sacrifice players to earn what he wants.
As for Sean Bonval, he is ok. He could be a regular in the team but he wont be a star.
Are you saying he's another S Hart a 1 trick pony playing the same 4 3 3 system every game.
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This is what happens when you are run by a bunch of jokers the 2018 WC was thrown under the bus when Look Loy fired Z Vanes you thought that was the end of him but he was aloud to come back and Look Loy has now thrown the 2022 WC under the bus to by hiring T Fenwick not only is TT run by jokers we are also coached by jokers to.
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Are you saying he's another S Hart a 1 trick pony playing the same 4 3 3 system every game.
Hart was no one trick pony. The team played well, not super, under his tenure. But yes, he was unable to get them to elevate their play when we played in the knock out rounds of regional tournaments like GC. But he had the team moving in the right direction. The best since Beenhakker. Again DJW never wanted him.
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Upset Fenwick wants football in a 'bubble'
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian).
'Unfair' if how national coach Terry Fenwick feels his team is being treated by government officials ahead of the country's opening World Cup qualifying against Guyana on March 25 at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Mucurapo.
The Soca Warriors face the possibility of the match not coming off because of precaution being taken by government officials toward the spread of the deadly coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic.
Both the government, through the Ministry of Health and its Chief Medical Officer (CMO) Dr Roshan Parasram, and the FIFA-appointed Normalisation Committee, which is being led by businessman Robert Hadad, have been locked in talks on whether the Guyanese team will be allowed to enter local shores for the match.
The NC is proposing a football bubble which is similar to what was done with the Caribbean Premier League (CPL) here in Trinidad and Tobago from August 18- September 10 at the Brian Lara Stadium in Tarouba, but it is unsure of what's the government's position, as the national team has had to wait not knowing what will happen.
On Friday, a frustrated Fenwick told Guardian Media Sports that: "We've got to be realistic, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. We've got the CPL which is a money-generating operation, nothing was said about it, they got on with it, players were happy. Why can't the national football team do the same? I'm not asking for anything bigger or better, no more expense, why can't we do the same thing?"
On July 8, 2020, Sports Minister Shamfa Cudjoe told the media at a news conference at the Office of the Prime Minister in Scarborough, Tobago that a contingent of over 251 people, including the players, staff and other officials attached to the six CPL teamsthe Barbados Tridents, Guyana Amazon Warriors, Jamaica Tallawahs, St Kitts & Nevis Patriots, St Lucia Zouks and the Trinbago Knight Riderswill come into T&T for the series and will be quarantined at the Hilton Trinidad in Port-of-Spain and must adhere to strict COVID protocols
She continued: They would be doing their quarantine period there and they would be tested before leaving home (countries) to ensure they are negative, tested when they get here to Trinidad and Tobago and going to quarantine, tested on their seventh day and tested again on their fourteenth day. This is the first time we are hosting this type of sporting activity under COVID regulations and this COVID situation."
She also said that the Government had reached an agreement with the CPL where they will host the tournament to the tune of US$1 million, broken down into US$500 in cash and US$500 in kind.
The country's borders have been closed since the deadly outbreak of the coronavirus in March last year, and since then the government has used a cautious approach in returning nationals who were caught abroad.
Yesterday Dr Parasram did not respond to a Whatsapp message that asked for an update on the matter, neither did he say whether a tri-nation bubble tournament among the national teams of T&T, St Vincent and the Grenadines and St Lucia will go on as planned later this month (February), due to the mandatory 14-day quarantine period for people entering the country.
According to Fenwick: "We're in the dark ourselves and we are waiting on normalisation committee chairman Robert Hadad to find out what we can actually do. We've had CPL played in a bubble, placed in big hotels, travel to the Brian Lara Stadium, and because it was an income-generating competition, they've allowed it to happen, but they are now frustrating our national team in a World Cup qualifying game that should be at the Hasely Crawford Stadium. As well as the CPL, there are multiple businessmen/expatriates to arrive here in T&T and spend one day in quarantine. They spend one week wherever they're coming from, but when they arrive in T&T they do one day. So I am frustrated because I don't want to give anything away, that is a plus."
The English-born coach, whose team was hammered 7-0 by the United States in an international friendly encounter on January 31 in Orlando Florida, USA, lamented the horrible past four years that local football has had to endure, saying it had to face countless court matters with the world-governing body for the sport- FIFA, as well as other private citizens, to the administrations' inability to get structured football going.
He said he intends to reach to the powers that be to help them: "We're reaching out to the powers that be, the ministers and indeed the Prime Minister who loves his football. We cannot ignore these opportunities that came by. This first game is all-important and we have an opportunity to play it in Port-of-Spain, and we're ignoring that, we're not taking it on. We've got the CMO, the Health Ministry stopping this. We've been in quarantine for 14 days. We were in the United States for a week and we were tested every single day. since we've been back, we've had three tests and daily monitors to make sure we are okay."
Since returning from the USA on February 3, the local players and technical staff have been in isolation quarantine for seven days and are now under home quarantine for a further seven days until Tuesday.
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Decision pending on reduced quarantine for footballers.
By Jonathan Ramnanansingh (T&T Newsday).
A decision has not yet been made on whether foreign-based national footballers would be allowed a reduced quarantine period, upon arrival in T&T, for the March 25 FIFA World Cup qualifier against Guyana.
This comes after FIFA has allowed clubs to prevent their players from traveling for national duty where quarantine is required for five days or more. Persons entering T&T must spend between seven to 14 days quarantine before they are allowed to re-enter the public domain.
This means that several of T&Ts talented foreign-based players are not mandated to be released by their respective clubs for the Concacaf World Cup qualifiers. Therefore, if the seven to 14-day quarantine guidelines remain enforced, T&T may have to field a totally home-grown squad for the March 25 clash.
With the FIFA rule, special arrangements will have to be made for the T&T players trying to return home to represent the national team.
Minister of Health Terrence Deyalsingh and Minister of Sport Shamfa Cudjoe, on Saturday, confirmed discussions were still under way between the TT Football Association (TTFA) normalisation committee chairman Robert Hadad and Sport Company of TT chairman Douglas Camacho.
Both ministers, however, believe the final decision lies in the hands of chief medical officer Dr Roshan Parasram.
I think the ultimate decision is being made by the CMO and the Ministry of Health because first and foremost our priority is to keep, not just the players, but our nationals, safe, said the sports minister.
Cudjoe noted they are exploring several options to facilitate these foreign-based athletes and are even considering playing the match in a regional territory.
Up to yesterday (Friday) that conversation was still taking place. I know there was the option of having the players play in Curaao but up to last night, while I was in Parliament, the conversation was still taking place as to protocols and exploring the different options, she added.
Meanwhile the health minister has been in communication with the associated parties and awaits their final decision to chart a way forward. He also passed the buck to the CMO and local football fraternity.
The CMO has been in contact with the normalisation committee of the TTFA and I have been in contact with the Minister of Sport. I leave the final decision to the Minister of Sport and the TTFA, he said on Saturday.
Newsday reached out to Hadad for a response on these developments via WhatsApp. Hadads response was merely Working on it.
On Thursday, Deyalsingh reiterated that he did not want more cases of the new covid19 variant entering T&T and expressed concern about people entering the country and not quarantining properly and possibly bringing in the new variants.
Additionally, national senior team coach Terry Fenwick is hoping he can get the go-ahead to fast-track their quarantine so T&T would have a better chance of coming up trumps against the South American team.
In their last international friendly, on January 31, - T&Ts first official match in over a year owing to the pandemic Fenwicks unit was drubbed 7-0 by Concacaf giants USA.
The availability to more foreign-based players for the upcoming World Cup qualifiers and Gold Cup, in June, plays an integral in Fenwicks setup going forward.
T&T will play Puerto Rico on March 28 in the second match of the World Cup qualifying campaign.
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I think Fenwick is on point here. Concacaf should be assisting the CaC teams in setting the bubble protocol. FiFa is f**king up here. They should not be playing home and away football qualifying in this covid period. All qualifying should be done on the group playing in a country that can provide a safe bubble. They did it for cricket(CPL), basketball(NBA), soccer(MLS in Orlando). This is extraordinary time. Aussie has to suspend fans attending the Aussie Open tennis. Get f**king real, FIFA!!!!
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Upset Fenwick wants football in a 'bubble'
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian).
'Unfair' if how national coach Terry Fenwick feels his team is being treated by government officials ahead of the country's opening World Cup qualifying against Guyana on March 25 at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Mucurapo.
The Soca Warriors face the possibility of the match not coming off because of precaution being taken by government officials toward the spread of the deadly coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic.
Both the government, through the Ministry of Health and its Chief Medical Officer (CMO) Dr Roshan Parasram, and the FIFA-appointed Normalisation Committee, which is being led by businessman Robert Hadad, have been locked in talks on whether the Guyanese team will be allowed to enter local shores for the match.
The NC is proposing a football bubble which is similar to what was done with the Caribbean Premier League (CPL) here in Trinidad and Tobago from August 18- September 10 at the Brian Lara Stadium in Tarouba, but it is unsure of what's the government's position, as the national team has had to wait not knowing what will happen.
On Friday, a frustrated Fenwick told Guardian Media Sports that: "We've got to be realistic, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. We've got the CPL which is a money-generating operation, nothing was said about it, they got on with it, players were happy. Why can't the national football team do the same? I'm not asking for anything bigger or better, no more expense, why can't we do the same thing?"
On July 8, 2020, Sports Minister Shamfa Cudjoe told the media at a news conference at the Office of the Prime Minister in Scarborough, Tobago that a contingent of over 251 people, including the players, staff and other officials attached to the six CPL teamsthe Barbados Tridents, Guyana Amazon Warriors, Jamaica Tallawahs, St Kitts & Nevis Patriots, St Lucia Zouks and the Trinbago Knight Riderswill come into T&T for the series and will be quarantined at the Hilton Trinidad in Port-of-Spain and must adhere to strict COVID protocols
She continued: They would be doing their quarantine period there and they would be tested before leaving home (countries) to ensure they are negative, tested when they get here to Trinidad and Tobago and going to quarantine, tested on their seventh day and tested again on their fourteenth day. This is the first time we are hosting this type of sporting activity under COVID regulations and this COVID situation."
She also said that the Government had reached an agreement with the CPL where they will host the tournament to the tune of US$1 million, broken down into US$500 in cash and US$500 in kind.
The country's borders have been closed since the deadly outbreak of the coronavirus in March last year, and since then the government has used a cautious approach in returning nationals who were caught abroad.
Yesterday Dr Parasram did not respond to a Whatsapp message that asked for an update on the matter, neither did he say whether a tri-nation bubble tournament among the national teams of T&T, St Vincent and the Grenadines and St Lucia will go on as planned later this month (February), due to the mandatory 14-day quarantine period for people entering the country.
According to Fenwick: "We're in the dark ourselves and we are waiting on normalisation committee chairman Robert Hadad to find out what we can actually do. We've had CPL played in a bubble, placed in big hotels, travel to the Brian Lara Stadium, and because it was an income-generating competition, they've allowed it to happen, but they are now frustrating our national team in a World Cup qualifying game that should be at the Hasely Crawford Stadium. As well as the CPL, there are multiple businessmen/expatriates to arrive here in T&T and spend one day in quarantine. They spend one week wherever they're coming from, but when they arrive in T&T they do one day. So I am frustrated because I don't want to give anything away, that is a plus."
The English-born coach, whose team was hammered 7-0 by the United States in an international friendly encounter on January 31 in Orlando Florida, USA, lamented the horrible past four years that local football has had to endure, saying it had to face countless court matters with the world-governing body for the sport- FIFA, as well as other private citizens, to the administrations' inability to get structured football going.
He said he intends to reach to the powers that be to help them: "We're reaching out to the powers that be, the ministers and indeed the Prime Minister who loves his football. We cannot ignore these opportunities that came by. This first game is all-important and we have an opportunity to play it in Port-of-Spain, and we're ignoring that, we're not taking it on. We've got the CMO, the Health Ministry stopping this. We've been in quarantine for 14 days. We were in the United States for a week and we were tested every single day. since we've been back, we've had three tests and daily monitors to make sure we are okay."
Since returning from the USA on February 3, the local players and technical staff have been in isolation quarantine for seven days and are now under home quarantine for a further seven days until Tuesday.
If the TT government don't want to host the football games the TTFA should move there home games to Florida.
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If the TT government don't want to host the football games the TTFA should move there home games to Florida.
That may work. Who financing that ?
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I am supportive of Fenwick on this issue. The government is sabotaging the TTFA in an act of it's normal tortoise-like decision making process. If we could host a three week CPL tournament in a bubble there is no reason we cannot host three teams in a football tournament. This is plain and simply shameful.
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Cricket and Carnival makes money football don't.
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I am supportive of Fenwick on this issue. The government is sabotaging the TTFA in an act of it's normal tortoise-like decision making process. If we could host a three week CPL tournament in a bubble there is no reason we cannot host three teams in a football tournament. This is plain and simply shameful.
BS- There is no deliberate sabotage- You paying a coach 20 K to coach a pick up team- now after the first cutarse- you getting deflection- rationalization blaming-
Coach and put the best system forward- who is ultimately responsible for assessing the talent, fitness level, play structure and success of the team? not the government- The COVID situation is dynamic- and what was during CPL has changes with the new variants-
Public blaming is not going to solve this dilemma- You would think that the governing sanction body FIFA would have a COVID plan that would involve an alignment with governments to ensure the hosting and playing of these games. In each of the professional leagues in North America, governance of play and protocols were assumed by the either NHL, NBA. NFL MLB along with federal . state of provincial health regulations.
In this case, FIFA as the overall governance, should be assuming a lead in presenting a plan to the government authorities, working alongside them and footing the bill to ensure testing and a 'bubble' environment to protect players and the general population is adhered to.
Instead we always have to default to blaming and scapegoating our inadequacies to the government.
TF , as coach should stick to your lane and coach- shut your trap and focus on what it takes to beat the team ahead of you.
Is not like we are blessed with the caliber of players like Brazil, Germany , France or even Jamaica or Mexico. This is what you have at your disposal- mold the young men looking for inspiration, leadership , aspiration. Stop blabbering in areas you have no control and stick to what it takes to get the best and produce the best players.
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FIFA as the overall governance, should be assuming a lead in presenting a plan to the government authorities, working alongside them and footing the bill to ensure testing and a 'bubble' environment to protect players and the general population is adhered to.
ABtrini, I agree with the above part of your statement. FiFa is the one who should be making it easier for the smaller and less wealthy members. I agree with Fenwick on this, though. NHL, NBA. NFL MLB, these 4 entities are wealthy organizations. Also these games are confined to one or two cities in the US(one country). They can get corporate assistance to form bubbles to isolate their respective players to train and play. This was done for CPL, why not football.
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I just read WHO has just approved Astrazeneca vaccine that is going to be used in the poor country's that might be good news for the football team maybe the government might relax the rules now.
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Jones: No need for Fenwick to complain.
T&T Guardian Reports.
Despite the furore surrounding the inability of the FIFA-appointed Normalisation Committee to seal a World Cup qualifying match against Guyana here at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Mucurapo on March 25, Kenwyne Jones, a former national striker and captain, has said he sees no reason for coach Terry Fenwick to complain about this.
However, Evans Wise, the talented left-footed winger who was on the T&T team that played at the 2006 World Cup in Germany, as well as former Technical Director Anton Corneal believe, it's a major issue for T&T not to capitalise on home advantage.
Both men feel that not enough was done by the negotiating parties- the FIFA-appointed Normalisation Committee, being led by businessman Robert Hadad, Minister of Sport and Community Development Shamfa Cudjoe and officials from the Sport Company of T&T, Minister of Health Terrance Deyalsingh and his Chief Medical Officer Dr Roshan Parasram, for the match to be played in a football bubble, as is being done around the world.
T&T will contest Group F of the qualifiers that also include Puerto Rico, Bahamas and St Kitts/Nevis.
Following the Guyana encounter in the Dominican Republic, the Warriors will play their next two matches away to Puerto Rico on March 28 and then the Bahamas on April 5. They will complete the group phase with a match against St Kitts/Nevis on April 8 at home, needing to top the group to be able to advance.
On Saturday, Minister Cudjoe made the announcement during the Ministry of Health (MOH) coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic virtual press conference update, said: "The TTFA is saying that the players cannot quarantine and that she said is troubling for us here in T&T. 'The Players must quarantine' she stressed, especially the players coming from the United Kingdom, Denmark, Belgium, coming from countries with the new (COVID-19) strain that we are really concern about."
The Minister said: "The TTFA proposal was for the players to come-in travel from the airport to the Home of Football, play their game, stay for two days and then go back out. That does not provide anytime really for them to quarantine. The proposal has also asked for them to room two-people to a room."
In response, a press release also on Saturday from the TTFA stated: "Over the last few months, we have been in discussions with the Ministry of Health (MOH), Sports Company of T&T, and other relevant Government agencies. Based on these discussions, numerous proposals and scenarios were put forward to host the match in T&T but unfortunately, none were ultimately successful, which would satisfy our FIFA mandates for international competitions."
The release continued: "The MOHs protocol and guidelines mandate fourteen (14) days quarantine for anyone entering the country. This condition is not feasible given the FIFA international match window and the MOH has declined the TTFAs request of an exemption to facilitate a hot-bubble which would allow members of both teams including staff, to arrive within a suitable time period conducive to international football."
According to Corneal: "I would have probably tried to continue speaking to our government and find ways to make it possible to play here. Of course, we have to look at the safety first of our people, and especially what we have done over the past eight months, containing the virus. I know there is a lot more that needs to be taken into consideration but losing the home advantage is a major issue when it comes to football or any sport."
Meanwhile, Wise called on the parties involved to come together for yet another time to allow the T&T footballers the opportunity at achieving home advantage, noting: "I definitely believe we're making a mistake. Home advantage is a plus, especially for an inexperience team and a team that hasn't played together for pretty much the whole year. I understand that guys have COVID-19 issues and quarantine protocols, but other countries did it. The US did it for us in the game we played recently, so I think it's unfortunate that we can't get that home advantage for players to boost their confidence, and also for the fans to get to see their team play."
He told Guardian Media Sports it will be important for coach Terry Fenwick to include some of the senior overseas players such as Kevin Molino, Khaleem Hyland, Joevin Jones etc, who will all be able to rally the younger players and be a driving force moving forward.
Fenwick's 7-o drubbing at the hands of the US, may not have only broken down players confidence, but it allowed the English-born coach to see what he had available to him.
Jones, on the other hand, following his public criticism of the national coach after the US defeat, said: "It's a neutral venue. The same woes T&T will be having, Guyana will probably have the same woes, so it's just about us going out on the pitch and playing the match to get the required result."
He added: "I don't see where the argument is really. Knowing what the situation is at hand, Mr Fenwick can't really complain. He had a game based on the conditions, based on how things have been rolled out here, so it's about him (Fenwick), after the quarantine period, coming back from the States, he should be focused on getting the team together, whatever plan he has down and trying to get everyone focused for that match in the Dominican Republic."
Related Kenwyne Jones Videos:
LISTEN: Kenwyne Jones talks about his three memorable seasons at Sunderland. Kenwyne is honest, and explosive in parts and with some great insight into Roy Keane, Steve Bruce. He and Steve Bruce allegedly didn't see eye to eye - but how did Kenwyne see it? Almost leaving Sunderland three times, only for it to be blocked. Some great anecdotes about Roy Keane and much more. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yecE1vNFZw&feature=emb_title)
WATCH: Former Trinidad and Tobago striker Kenwyne Jones reveals in great detail how his move to Liverpool was ruined by an injury suffered on national duty against England. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6KzNszHX1o&feature=emb_title)
WATCH: Former Trinidad and Tobago Captain Kenwyne Jones gives an insight into his time in the English Premier League, playing in the FA Cup final, being at the 2006 World Cup, almost joining Liverpool, and much MORE! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7V43FkTuK8&feature=emb_title)
WATCH: Destra interviews Kenwyne (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsMiucW99hA&feature=emb_title)
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Players question Fenwick's ability.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian).
T&T's CONCACAF World Cup Qualifying campaign faces a snag due to major differences between the players and coach Terry Fenwick, which threatens the actual on-the-field play, starting with the Guyana game on March 25 in the Dominican Republic.
More than four players confided with Guardian Media Sports over the past week about their dissatisfaction with the preparation of the team by the former San Juan Jabloteh coach, while a circulating recording of other disgruntled players about the same situation confirmed the worry in the T&T camp.
The players who all spoke under condition of anonymity, said the public can prepare for a revolt in the T&T camp if the coach does not deal with the issues affecting the team, ahead of a difficult qualifying campaign. Some of the issues affecting the players include; routine training sessions; no clear laid-out structure of play for the team; the selection of players and the types of local practice matches being taken; the total disrespect of the local players; and the sidelining of assistant coach Derek King, among many other concerns, the players said.
According to the players: "We have seen that manager Adrian Romain seem to have more say than King. The assistant coach appears to be totally ignored by the senior coach. In addition, we can actually say what the next session would be like. We will go through some stretching drills, have a warm-up session and then play a game session. To date, we do not even know what system of play we will be playing," the players explained yesterday.
The players are also disturbed by the warm-up matches being taken by coach Fenwick, against under-21 age-old players, when more competitive games can be sought after, by using teams in the T&T Pro League.
King when contacted, said he was unaware that that was going on in the camp.
The former Arima North Secondary School defender who also played the role of assistant coach to former national coach Stephen Hart during the early part of the last World Cup qualifying campaign is expected to be replaced by Keon Trim, another player said.
Guardian Media Sports received a copy of a circulating voice recording on Tuesday in which some players were heard pleading with an official to reach out to coach Fenwick and talk to him about the situation. The players are expected to raise their concerns via a petition bearing the names and signatures of most or all the players, both junior and senior.
Calls and WhatsApp messages to coach Fenwick's phone went unanswered yesterday.
In Fenwick's only game to date, a friendly international against the USA men's national team on January 31, T&T was beaten 7-0 at Exploria Stadium in Orlando, USA.
The T&T team is stacked in Group F of the qualifiers, alongside Puerto Rico, Bahamas, Guyana and St Kitts/Nevis. A shake-up in the camp is the last thing needed presently as the team has already had to give up home advantage due to the worsening coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, caused by the new variant of the virus.
The Ministry of Health refused to accept a proposed football bubble to play the opening qualifier against Guyana at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Mucurapo on March 25, a decision that resulted in the FIFA-appointed Normalisation Committee negotiating to have the game played in the Dominican Republic.
After the Guyana affair, the T&T team will next be away to Puerto Rico (28 March), away to the Bahamas (5 June), and home to St Kitts and Nevis (8 June). The Warriors need to win the group to advance to play the winner of Group A, which features the likes of El Salvador, Antigua and Barbuda, Grenada, Montserrat, and the US Virgin Islands in the second round of the qualifiers.
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Players question Fenwick's ability.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian).
T&T's CONCACAF World Cup Qualifying campaign faces a snag due to major differences between the players and coach Terry Fenwick, which threatens the actual on-the-field play, starting with the Guyana game on March 25 in the Dominican Republic.
More than four players confided with Guardian Media Sports over the past week about their dissatisfaction with the preparation of the team by the former San Juan Jabloteh coach, while a circulating recording of other disgruntled players about the same situation confirmed the worry in the T&T camp.
The players who all spoke under condition of anonymity, said the public can prepare for a revolt in the T&T camp if the coach does not deal with the issues affecting the team, ahead of a difficult qualifying campaign. Some of the issues affecting the players include; routine training sessions; no clear laid-out structure of play for the team; the selection of players and the types of local practice matches being taken; the total disrespect of the local players; and the sidelining of assistant coach Derek King, among many other concerns, the players said.
According to the players: "We have seen that manager Adrian Romain seem to have more say than King. The assistant coach appears to be totally ignored by the senior coach. In addition, we can actually say what the next session would be like. We will go through some stretching drills, have a warm-up session and then play a game session. To date, we do not even know what system of play we will be playing," the players explained yesterday.
The players are also disturbed by the warm-up matches being taken by coach Fenwick, against under-21 age-old players, when more competitive games can be sought after, by using teams in the T&T Pro League.
King when contacted, said he was unaware that that was going on in the camp.
The former Arima North Secondary School defender who also played the role of assistant coach to former national coach Stephen Hart during the early part of the last World Cup qualifying campaign is expected to be replaced by Keon Trim, another player said.
Guardian Media Sports received a copy of a circulating voice recording on Tuesday in which some players were heard pleading with an official to reach out to coach Fenwick and talk to him about the situation. The players are expected to raise their concerns via a petition bearing the names and signatures of most or all the players, both junior and senior.
Calls and WhatsApp messages to coach Fenwick's phone went unanswered yesterday.
In Fenwick's only game to date, a friendly international against the USA men's national team on January 31, T&T was beaten 7-0 at Exploria Stadium in Orlando, USA.
The T&T team is stacked in Group F of the qualifiers, alongside Puerto Rico, Bahamas, Guyana and St Kitts/Nevis. A shake-up in the camp is the last thing needed presently as the team has already had to give up home advantage due to the worsening coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, caused by the new variant of the virus.
The Ministry of Health refused to accept a proposed football bubble to play the opening qualifier against Guyana at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Mucurapo on March 25, a decision that resulted in the FIFA-appointed Normalisation Committee negotiating to have the game played in the Dominican Republic.
After the Guyana affair, the T&T team will next be away to Puerto Rico (28 March), away to the Bahamas (5 June), and home to St Kitts and Nevis (8 June). The Warriors need to win the group to advance to play the winner of Group A, which features the likes of El Salvador, Antigua and Barbuda, Grenada, Montserrat, and the US Virgin Islands in the second round of the qualifiers.
Never liked this guy, had a FEW bad experience with him, I really am surprised Fenwick and his involvement with him from ever since.
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Question his ability
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We are in asking answers territory. Maybe the beach soccer coach might have a new gig. ;)
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An ongoing saga with these trinidadians, whats new? if it aint one thing its another with these self destructive people. theyre not even worth the effort nor have they accomplish anything but theyre always complaining and boycotting.
Ive seen this new crew takedown two coaches, Steve hart and the Belgian bloke who only lasted a month. those bastards refused to represent the country but found time to play in a fete match between carenage and st anns, leaving the team to get beaten out the gold cup by haiti and surename.
I only wish fenwick would have moved on from these clowns especially the carenage crew, in fact Im sure they are the ones behind this. its every time we try to get football off the ground these unhappy dick heads in and around football always seem to find ways to kill morale. seems to me we will never get it together, I really need a new team to follow yes.
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T&T footballers deny reports of disunity in camp
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday).
T&T footballers Duane Muckette and Alvin Jones have denied claims that there is turmoil within the camp, saying that under head coach Terry Fenwick the team is trying to build chemistry and keep focused leading into the opening 2022 FIFA World Cup Concacaf Zone qualifying match against Guyana in Dominican Republic on March 25.
On Friday, a story in another daily newspaper, said, "More than four players confided with Guardian Media Sports over the past week about their dissatisfaction with the preparation of the team by the former San Juan Jabloteh coach (Fenwick), while a circulating recording of other disgruntled players about the same situation confirmed the worry in the T&T camp." The players chose to remain anonymous.
The story added that the public can prepare for a revolt in the T&T camp if the matters are not sorted out.
Some of the issues raised according to the story are that there is "no clear laid out structure of play for the team, the selection of players and the types of local practice matches being taken, the total disrespect of the local players and the sidelining of assistant coach Derek King."
Muckette and Jones spoke to the media following a training session at the St James Police Barracks.
"For me I think that we've been working stride in stride in trying to prepare as best as possible for the game," Muckette said. "We know things around the team are not perfect, but within the team we are coming every day and we are working and trying to get as prepared as possible for the game coming up."
The T&T-Guyana match was originally scheduled to be played at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Mucurapo, but due to this country's covid19 protocols the venue for the match was changed. National footballers playing for clubs overseas must quarantine for 14 days on arrival in this country making it difficult to play the match in T&T. FIFA has a rule where clubs are not required to let their players leave for national duty if a quarantine period is needed for five days or more.
Muckette, who admitted that he would have liked the team to play international practice matches before the qualifiers, believes T&T can deliver a strong performance. "We are confident, confident in the work that we have been putting in...with that preparation confidence is going to come and it is going to build and we continue to work as hard as possible, so that we feel like we have prepared as best as possible for the game."
Over the last few months T&T were targeting friendly matches against the likes of Dominica and St Vincent/Grenadines, but they have not materialised.
Asked if the local players have a voice, Muckette said, "Yeah. Like I said all of us are inspired and motivated because this opportunity is something that we wanted for a long time."
The local-based players have been training off and on since the middle of last year and Muckette said the team is building cohesion. "The longer we are together as a team the better it will be for us...the different spells we had that was good in the USA game are just areas that we can build upon."
T&T lost 7-0 to the US in a friendly on January 31 with the local players showing promise when they were introduced.
Muckette added that the players are adapting to Fenwick's style.
Jones, discussing the report that there is discord in the camp, said, "I think in every family you will have ups and downs. I don't know anyone personally who had a problem. We as players have probably one or two issues but that is between us. I was surprised (to hear those reports) because for me personally nothing like that I heard of or saw, so I was a little surprised."
On training under Fenwick, Jones said, "Every coach has their way of doing things. Fenwick has his own (and) we as players just have to respect his decision, trust the process and just believe in his work and see where we go from there."
Jones knows the importance of the Guyana match and said the players must "embrace" the challenge of playing in Dominican Republic.
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The truth may be somewhere in the middle ?
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Yuh see what people mean when they say to kill 2 birds with 1 stone Look Loy trough the 2018 WC team under the bus when he fired Z Vanes and now he come back and trough the 2022 WC team under the bus when he hired T Fenwick that's why they say you must never give a yes man any power he only good to be a yes man.
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Yuh see what people mean when they say to kill 2 birds with 1 stone Look Loy trough the 2018 WC team under the bus when he fired Z Vanes and now he come back and trough the 2022 WC team under the bus when he hired T Fenwick that's why they say you must never give a yes man any power he only good to be a yes man.
you know as long as Ive known you online there has never been a time when youre here to enjoy the interaction and exchange ideas amicably, instead every time you engage the forum theres always a level of bitterness and acrimony in you speech, its almost like your only reason for being here is to clash with the forum and rub it in good.
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Fenwick challenged .....
https://wired868.com/2021/03/08/rangers-challenge-soca-warriors-beat-us-and-we-pay-tt100000-fenwick-mum/
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Fenwick: Players choosing jobs over training.
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday).
A LACK of financial support from the FIFA-appointed normalisation committee, which deals with the affairs of the TT Football Association (TTFA), is hampering the preparations of the national mens team ahead of a pair of 2022 FIFA World Cup qualifiers.
They are due to be played against Guyana (March 25 in the Dominican Republic) and Puerto Rico (March 28 in Puerto Rico).
T&T mens team coach Terry Fenwick said local-based players are having to choose their jobs instead of attending training sessions, especially since the TT Pro League has been inactive since the covid19 lockdown in March 2020.
This last weekend we were meant to be in Tobago for a camp, to play two games, and the normalisation (committee) couldnt secure transport (to and from Tobago) for us, which has been pretty much consistent, said Fenwick on Monday.
The T&T team were expected to play an Orange XI and Tobago Phoenix last weekend in Tobago. Instead, they were only able to face the Orange XI on Saturday, at the Police Barracks in St James, a game in which T&T prevailed 8-0.
The Commissioner of Police (Gary Griffith) has given us transport throughout 2020 and this year, and weve not had much support (from the normalisation committee) as far as that is concerned, Fenwick said. It was great to bring the twin isles together, to see the guys that they have.
Were literally making things happen. Ive got players that are unable to travel for training because theyve got no money. Ive got players that are having to choose a job rather than train with the national team, because of a lack of funding.
There has been talk about Griffiths involvement in the team, as the players have used the barracks (as well as the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo) as a training venue, while Griffiths son Gary III is among the T&T training squad.
Fenwick was quick to point out, Unless wed had the support from (Commissioner) Griffith, we would have had no transport for the players to come from Central and South for training sessions. They would not have been fed, nor even (received) drinks. My Football Factory is providing a great deal of equipment for training sessions. We literally are scrambling to keep things going. Its not easy.
Weve had friendlies that have been quashed because weve not been able to keep up with the schedules that the technical staff have submitted for friendlies and training sessions. Weve not had any response.
Asked if he thinks the lack of support the team has received is related to its 7-0 battering by hosts United States in a friendly international on January 31, Fenwick responded, Not really.
We hadnt kicked a ball in 14-15 months, in the Pro League. The USA game was the only game Ive had since the normalisation (committee) took over, and that came at no expense to the TTFA.
If it came around again, Id take it again. It was an option to see players and get them experience.
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T&T mens team coach Terry Fenwick said local-based players are having to choose their jobs instead of attending training sessions, especially since the TT Pro League has been inactive since the covid19 lockdown in March 2020.
So what good is this normalization committee? They are supposed to bring order. Is complete disorder ?
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T&T mens team coach Terry Fenwick said local-based players are having to choose their jobs instead of attending training sessions, especially since the TT Pro League has been inactive since the covid19 lockdown in March 2020.
So what good is this normalization committee? They are supposed to bring order. Is complete disorder ?
Don't forget, we qualify as a "professional" league in the region, what a joke.
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Fenwick challenged .....
https://wired868.com/2021/03/08/rangers-challenge-soca-warriors-beat-us-and-we-pay-tt100000-fenwick-mum/
The Rangers offer follows a protracted stand-off between both camps, as Ferguson has consistently refused to release his players to the national team outside of the mandatory Fifa international match window.
This is the idiocy of Trinidad and Tobago football. With no functional league and no football being played, what international window is Ferguson protecting. There is no way forward if these ego-driven, inept coaches continue to believe that they have some national valiue.
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Fenwick challenged .....
https://wired868.com/2021/03/08/rangers-challenge-soca-warriors-beat-us-and-we-pay-tt100000-fenwick-mum/
The Rangers offer follows a protracted stand-off between both camps, as Ferguson has consistently refused to release his players to the national team outside of the mandatory Fifa international match window.
This is the idiocy of Trinidad and Tobago football. With no functional league and no football being played, what international window is Ferguson protecting. There is no way forward if these ego-driven, inept coaches continue to believe that they have some national valiue.
As far as I know Ferguson is the owner, not a coach. I could be wrong.
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Fenwick challenged .....
https://wired868.com/2021/03/08/rangers-challenge-soca-warriors-beat-us-and-we-pay-tt100000-fenwick-mum/
The Rangers offer follows a protracted stand-off between both camps, as Ferguson has consistently refused to release his players to the national team outside of the mandatory Fifa international match window.
This is the idiocy of Trinidad and Tobago football. With no functional league and no football being played, what international window is Ferguson protecting. There is no way forward if these ego-driven, inept coaches continue to believe that they have some national valiue.
As far as I know Ferguson is the owner, not a coach. I could be wrong.
You're correct. He is the owner, but the coach has signed off on this as well.
I was beginning to wonder whether my take on La Horquetta's approach was the minority view. I have to agree with Storeboy. And, I hope the squad does not exclude Rangers players based on non-footballing reasons.
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"The TTFA further advises that the matter was blown out of proportion as Fenwick only chose to express his disapproval of a certain member of the media fraternity being present at a scheduled Media Briefing on the eve of the Teams departure for the Dominican Republic for the upcoming CONCACAF World Cup qualifier against Guyana.
https://guardian.co.tt/sports/furious-fenwick-attacks-ttfa-media-officer-6.2.1303099.ca11c0b4d9
What kind of nonsense is that? And why is that view seemingly endorsed by the TTFA?
Why is Fenwick of the view that he gets to pick and choose which media personnel cover the national team? Seems to me the federation media release may have been incomplete and inadequate.
Either way, who is on the squad?
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Step back in time ... 2003 - Cobblers sack Terry Fenwick... after 49 days in charge. (https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/heritage-and-retro/retro/step-back-in-sporting-time-2003-cobblers-sack-terry-fenwick-after-49-days-in-charge-3148010)
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Step back in time ... 2003 - Cobblers sack Terry Fenwick... after 49 days in charge. (https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/heritage-and-retro/retro/step-back-in-sporting-time-2003-cobblers-sack-terry-fenwick-after-49-days-in-charge-3148010)
From what I've read, it was more about the chaos in the boardroom than anything Fenwick did. He took over a team that was in total chaos and the change in management almost always means new management will clean house. Having said that, Fenwick's personality does not always bode well for congeniality and compromise. Let's see what he makes of this opportunity. I am willing to give him a honeymoon through the Gold Cup 2021.
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Step back in time ... 2003 - Cobblers sack Terry Fenwick... after 49 days in charge. (https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/heritage-and-retro/retro/step-back-in-sporting-time-2003-cobblers-sack-terry-fenwick-after-49-days-in-charge-3148010)
From what I've read, it was more about the chaos in the boardroom than anything Fenwick did. He took over a team that was in total chaos and the change in management almost always means new management will clean house. Having said that, Fenwick's personality does not always bode well for congeniality and compromise. Let's see what he makes of this opportunity. I am willing to give him a honeymoon through the Gold Cup 2021.
The privilege of coaching at the Gold Cup should bear some correlation to the product delivered in the preceding WC qualifying matches. That stated, in principle, I agree with your view.
Incidentally, just so everyone is clear, I would not have posted that article but for its recent publication (February 26, 2021). The best thing for all involved is for Fenwick to settle into the job without a perpetual sense of agitation. However, to earn a long cycle there must be a demonstration of process that matches the competitive challenge. The balance sheet is tenuous at the moment.
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Step back in time ... 2003 - Cobblers sack Terry Fenwick... after 49 days in charge. (https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/heritage-and-retro/retro/step-back-in-sporting-time-2003-cobblers-sack-terry-fenwick-after-49-days-in-charge-3148010)
From what I've read, it was more about the chaos in the boardroom than anything Fenwick did. He took over a team that was in total chaos and the change in management almost always means new management will clean house. Having said that, Fenwick's personality does not always bode well for congeniality and compromise. Let's see what he makes of this opportunity. I am willing to give him a honeymoon through the Gold Cup 2021.
The privilege of coaching at the Gold Cup should bear some correlation to the product delivered in the preceding WC qualifying matches. That stated, in principle, I agree with your view.
Incidentally, just so everyone is clear, I would not have posted that article but for its recent publication (February 26, 2021). The best thing for all involved is for Fenwick to settle into the job without a perpetual sense of agitation. However, to earn a long cycle there must be a demonstration of process that matches the competitive challenge. The balance sheet is tenuous at the moment.
I couldn't agree with you more but for one caveat. We continue to change and fire coaches at an enormous cost. Unfortunately, we are not financially endowed like some NCAA colleges and Professional teams with seemingly unlimited coffers. Where will we find the money to pay off Hart, Lawrence, and all the unpaid assistant coaches and unpaid player match fees. We are in a deeper financial hole of doodoo if this doesn't work out.
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In related news a lot of the British papers have carried the story - stating he headbutted Fuentes.
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In related news a lot of the British papers have carried the story - stating he headbutted Fuentes.
these british tabloids are the worst, always on about inconsequential rubbish while ignoring pressing relevant issues. So glad I left that marginalizing country. its all about the monarch worshipping right wing bigots and the toilet mouths young Brit brat delinquents. that country makes absolutely no sense to me.
a pot pie and a pint society. :puking:
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Hadad: Fenwick can't screen media, we're an open book.
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday).
CHAIRMAN of the FIFA-appointed normalisation committee Robert Hadad said he will not allow national mens senior football coach Terry Fenwick to pick and choose who he wants at media conferences.
On Wednesday, at the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva, there was an altercation between Fenwick and press officer Shaun Fuentes.
The quarrel allegedly began because Fenwick was upset that Wired868 editor Lasana Liburd was present at the media briefing.
Liburd claimed he was not invited to a media conference on Thursday at the VIP Lounge, Piarco Airport, to mark the departure of the national team for the 2022 FIFA World Cup qualifiers against Guyana and Puerto Rico. T&T will play Guyana on Thursday in Dominican Republic, followed by Puerto Rico in Puerto Rico on March 28.
Asked if Liburd was not invited to the media conference on Thursday, Hadad told Newsday, That is not true. The Airport Authority gave us the Diplomatic Lounge and we were not at liberty to invite any and everybody. It is a small space.
The media houses present at Piarco were Newsday, TTT and CCNTV6.
Hadad also said, It was not a formal media conference. We will have a formal media conference on the (teams) return, and it wont be in the airport. We will arrange a space and allow you all to ask questions.
Hadad added, The day before, he (Liburd) was invited to the pitch (to do interviews), so I dont understand the sensitivity.
Wired868 reported that Fenwick headbutted Fuentes in the altercation. Hadad said his report did not confirm that.
Shaun Fuentes' report does not have a headbutt in itnobody got hitthe man who (allegedly) get headbutt say he did not get headbutt.
On Wednesday, the TT Football Association issued a media release saying the incident between Fenwick and Fuentes had been blown out of proportion. The release said the incident "has been addressed at a meeting involving the two individuals, team manager Adrian Romain and the normalisation committee chairman Robert Hadad."
The TTFA said apologies were exchanged and Fenwick and Fuentes have agreed to put the incident behind them.
"Both Fenwick and Fuentes proceeded to conduct themselves in a professional manner and subsequently hosted the media briefing (on Wednesday) before the media present at the venue."
Hadad said he spoke to Fenwick on the issue.
I told him straight up, I am not allowing anybody to leave out anybody. We are an open book. I have been an open book from day one. I have not run from anybody. I am willing to work with the media, and I expect the media to work with Trinidads football. I get it that for years the football in itself has been in a down place and everybody looking for news that is always bad news.
"There are a lot of good things happening now.
Hadad reiterated, I am not going to allow our national coach to dictate to anybody and I told him that. When we have media conferences, everybody will be invited.
Liburd, in a WhatsApp message to Newsday, said, I was a bit surprised to realise that the TT Football Association had a press conference yesterday (Thursday) and I was not invited. That surprise stems only from my relationship with the association and not the individuals involved, though.
Liburd said he knew his stories over the last 25 years may have ruffled some feathers, but he was always invited to media conferences.
You see, Ive covered local football since the mid-1990s and there have been more than a few occasions where my stories might have displeased persons who run this national sport body. And yet, Jack Warner, the late Oliver Camps, the late Raymond Tim Kee, David John-Williams not one of them tried to deny me access to the business of national football at press conferences.
Watch Fenwick upbeat after Day 1 in Dominican Republic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWaZo7tQ6cs)
Watch Day 1 in Santo Domingo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8bPLM6Ovrg)
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Terry Fenwick: We're tightening up.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian).
National coach Terry Fenwick has been lifted by the appearance of a few overseas-based professionals including midfielder Daniel Phillips who plays for Championship club Watford, defender Robert Primus who plays in India, and goalkeeping coach Kelvin Jack on Friday.
Fenwick, who faced, among many challenges, an inability to secure much-needed international friendly matches for his team as well as the chance to get all his players back for the World Cup Qualifiers due to either the COVID-19 pandemic or injuries, is expected to be joined also by defensive midfielder Khaleem Hyland and Sheldon Bateau this week.
"We're tightening up," Fenwick told T&T Football Association (TTFA) media officer Shaun Fuentes.
The team has since settled in the Dominican Republic, since leaving T&T on Thursday. They have had two training sessions, which have pleased the English-born coach.
"It has gone very well, it is great to get the overseas-based players in, the camaraderie has been fantastic, the pool of players that we've got is very positive, very vibrant. These guys are bringing their vast experience. Kelvin Jack, a great goalkeeper for T&T and a great coach, and young players like Daniel, what a strong player he is, I think he is going to be such a benefit for T&T.
"I think they've recognised we've got to win this game for T&T, we're going out there, we can't sit on the fence we've got to go and do our stuff, so we're going to need that experience at this stage but we've also brought Duane Muckette and players like that, that have also done very well," Fenwick said.
Phillips is thrilled to be part of the team saying: "It's been a long time coming and I'm just very happy to be here. Everyone welcomed me here really nicely. I'm just happy to get to work.
"My ambition is to go as far as possible so playing in the World Cup with Trinidad, playing on the biggest stage in club competition and international competitions as well.
According to Phillips, his father was born and raised in T&T and his mother born in England but raised in T&T from a very young age and his grandparents are also from T&T.
Phillips, who has been to T&T before but not since 2011, shared on his season with Watford, following his first practice session with the national team on Friday at the Pan American Stadium.
"It's been going so well, this is my breakthrough season of such. I was lucky enough to play in the FA Cup against Manchester United, one of the biggest teams in the world. I've played in the Championship, I've shared the pitch with some legends.
"Every step is another milestone for me, a little push to keep going," he said, adding: I'm hoping to bring a level of quality and push everyone else and they will push me as well.
"Based off the first session, I was really impressed. Everyone gets on really well, it's a team spirit and when it was time to train it was really high intensity right from the start to the finish and thought that was very impressive.
"I can't say I know as much about the level of Guyana or Puerto Rico but with every game, I go with the intention to win and I think that is what we should go in expecting to win and expecting to get results.
A TT Football Association media release said, "The match, which was arranged to be played at the clubs home base, was abandoned on the advice of T&T team doctor Akash Dhanai, after a thorough assessment of the covid19 tests undergone by the Pantoja players was determined to fall short of the TT Football Associations and FIFAs medical standards. In this regard, the decision was taken to cancel the match to ensure that the safety of T&T players and staff would not have been compromised ahead of next Thursdays Concacaf World Cup qualifier against Guyana.
The T&T team will open against Guyana on Thursday (March 25), needing to win to have a greater chance of topping Group F which also features the Bahamas, Puerto Rico and St Kitts and Nevis. The winner of this group will march on to play the winner of Group A, which comprises the likes of El Salvador, Antigua and Barbuda, Grenada, Montserrat, and the US Virgin Islands.
Fenwick said while he was not impressed with the playing venue, the fact that most of the T&T players grew up on community grounds which are similar to the facility in the Dominican Republic and will work in our favour.
Meanwhile, defender Primus said he is excited to be back, and he is ready to get to work.
Watch Daniel Phillips keen to start international career with T&T (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl3t9yqj50w)
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Shabazz: Fenwick good club coach.
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express).
HAVING himself been at the helm of national teams with inadequate resources, Jamaal Shabazz believes former England defender Terry Fenwick must shield his footballers from things taking place in the background.
The national coach must also be a manager and not a complainer, Shabazz declared when speaking on the latest edition of the Ascension football show with host Joel Villafana.
Shabazz, who has coached national teams of T&T, Guyana and St Lucia, along with T&Ts womens teams, thinks some of the negative issues surrounding the Trinidad and Tobago mens national football team is due to Fenwicks attitude and inexperience at international football.
Shabazz also condemned the Englishmans objection to a particular journalist being at a national teams press conference. He said it also exposes Fenwicks lack of international experience.
A journalist could ask him (anything). How he responds is totally in his jurisdiction. I dont believe in censuring who could come the press conference and who cant come the press conference. Rubbish! Could he have done that in England?
Shabazz has been through issues similar to which Fenwick faces with the national team, including managing inadequate resources. Hes got to be more solution oriented. Okay, this was not in place. What do I do next? If I as the national coach go complaining, then who solves it? queried Shabazz. The national coach must be the driving force behind the solution. After the game (its) okay (to complain).
Having been on the island for 21 years, Fenwick has won club titles at Caribbean level with San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC, but has yet to gain a point at CONCACAF level with these teams.
Shabazz suggests that Fenwick might be bowing under the pressure to prove himself. He has brought something to club football in T&T. That, I respect, Shabazz conceded. He brought a level of intensity when he came with Jabloteh and he won the (Pro) League. But he has shown a propensity to be able to only coach teams that have money...that could get the best players.
I respect him as a (club) coach. He is very intense, he is very competitive, and he knows what he wants to do. But he has not coached international football and it is as new to him as anything else, Shabazz opined.
Playing at international level and coaching at international level is two different (things), Shabazz added. As a competitor and as a warrior, I give Terry Fenwick full credit. But he is very inexperienced, as we are seeing now, as a national coach.
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Shabazz: Fenwick good club coach.
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express).
HAVING himself been at the helm of national teams with inadequate resources, Jamaal Shabazz believes former England defender Terry Fenwick must shield his footballers from things taking place in the background.
The national coach must also be a manager and not a complainer, Shabazz declared when speaking on the latest edition of the Ascension football show with host Joel Villafana.
Shabazz, who has coached national teams of T&T, Guyana and St Lucia, along with T&Ts womens teams, thinks some of the negative issues surrounding the Trinidad and Tobago mens national football team is due to Fenwicks attitude and inexperience at international football.
Shabazz also condemned the Englishmans objection to a particular journalist being at a national teams press conference. He said it also exposes Fenwicks lack of international experience.
A journalist could ask him (anything). How he responds is totally in his jurisdiction. I dont believe in censuring who could come the press conference and who cant come the press conference. Rubbish! Could he have done that in England?
Shabazz has been through issues similar to which Fenwick faces with the national team, including managing inadequate resources. Hes got to be more solution oriented. Okay, this was not in place. What do I do next? If I as the national coach go complaining, then who solves it? queried Shabazz. The national coach must be the driving force behind the solution. After the game (its) okay (to complain).
Having been on the island for 21 years, Fenwick has won club titles at Caribbean level with San Juan Jabloteh and Central FC, but has yet to gain a point at CONCACAF level with these teams.
Shabazz suggests that Fenwick might be bowing under the pressure to prove himself. He has brought something to club football in T&T. That, I respect, Shabazz conceded. He brought a level of intensity when he came with Jabloteh and he won the (Pro) League. But he has shown a propensity to be able to only coach teams that have money...that could get the best players.
I respect him as a (club) coach. He is very intense, he is very competitive, and he knows what he wants to do. But he has not coached international football and it is as new to him as anything else, Shabazz opined.
Playing at international level and coaching at international level is two different (things), Shabazz added. As a competitor and as a warrior, I give Terry Fenwick full credit. But he is very inexperienced, as we are seeing now, as a national coach.
Mental game - coming from another coach at this clos time to competition- once a destabilizer still one- once it's In the blood to destabilize and create havoc- still dey since 1990- focus o your own team and stop betraying TnT
Simply put shut de Fck up Shabs
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But why ? Only the arm chair coaches have opinion ? Only Fenwick and he smartman agent have right to speak, and say who can come and go ? But yuh will tell your own who has served to hush , because he made a 1 wrong step. BsC and Shabazz do they community service more than any 'to be paid' coach we ever had, and any landed immigrant coach. They could advise as they please, take it or leave it. Sometimes I leave it, but still listen. No way, I was standing -far less, keep coming back - for TTFF, TTFA nor normalization committee bs. Many did, and so we throw dem under the bus. Ah mean AB, disagree with him(dem), but let dem talk.
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But why ? Only the arm chair coaches have opinion ? Only Fenwick and he smartman agent have right to speak, and say who can come and go ? But yuh will tell your own who has served to hush , because he made a 1 wrong step. BsC and Shabazz do they community service more than any 'to be paid' coach we ever had, and any landed immigrant coach. They could advise as they please, take it or leave it. Sometimes I leave it, but still listen. No way, I was standing -far less, keep coming back - for TTFF, TTFA nor normalization committee bs. Many did, and so we throw dem under the bus. Ah mean AB, disagree with him(dem), but let dem talk.
Yep. I think we are well past 1990 in the context of a man's opinion about football. Plus, it is not like Fenwick didn't have strongly asserted opinions when Shabazz and others were in the hot seat.
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'Not sure the claim of "only succeeding with money" is true - I remember him blooding a bunch of youth in his time.
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But why ? Only the arm chair coaches have opinion ? Only Fenwick and he smartman agent have right to speak, and say who can come and go ? But yuh will tell your own who has served to hush , because he made a 1 wrong step. BsC and Shabazz do they community service more than any 'to be paid' coach we ever had, and any landed immigrant coach. They could advise as they please, take it or leave it. Sometimes I leave it, but still listen. No way, I was standing -far less, keep coming back - for TTFF, TTFA nor normalization committee bs. Many did, and so we throw dem under the bus. Ah mean AB, disagree with him(dem), but let dem talk.
You may be past 1990- but the legacy of that act has laid the foundation for the preponsity of criminality in today's society- too bad those mutinous treacherous tyrannous actions were not dealt with in a more severe manner- I.e firing squad.
Yep. I think we are well past 1990 in the context of a man's opinion about football. Plus, it is not like Fenwick didn't have strongly asserted opinions when Shabazz and others were in the hot seat.
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One day, we will analyze and discuss what led up to the events of 1990. Including why many TT ppl were disenfranchised with the situation of the 80s. Mostly why such events should be avoided and by extension the real reasons behind todays criminal elements.
I would only say, as this is a football forum, thank god, Mandela didnt go before a firing squad, just because they could do it. Otherwise Africa may not have gotten a World Cup. Not all ppl of any sect or group are hopelessly bad, not all good either. Some youths might mean well but dont realize what they getting into. Not an excuse for anybody (not even Shabazz), but the young can be easily led astray, why there are young gangstas all over the world. Many start off with good intentions, until the shit hit the fan, then everyone smell bad. We have to save the ones we can.
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One day, we will analyze and discuss what led up to the events of 1990. Including why many TT ppl were disenfranchised with the situation of the 80s. Mostly why such events should be avoided and by extension the real reasons behind todays criminal elements.
I would only say, as this is a football forum, thank god, Mandela didnt go before a firing squad, just because they could do it. Otherwise Africa may not have gotten a World Cup. Not all ppl of any sect or group are hopelessly bad, not all good either. Some youths might mean well but dont realize what they getting into. Not an excuse for anybody (not even Shabazz), but the young can be easily led astray, why there are young gangstas all over the world. Many start off with good intentions, until the shit hit the fan, then everyone smell bad. We have t
o save the ones we can.
With all due respect - the cause and the system which gave rise to Mandela's actions is paramount and could inno way equate to those who led or were part of an act of treason against the government.
Where innocent lives were lost as collateral damage? You had army leaders whose sworn oath to defend and protect a nation not act in ways to disrupt - armed insurrectionist against unarmed citizens - some of whose lives were lost.
Yet some of these same insurrectionist were then given land and build fortified compounds under the guise of a religion to establish cells fro which to create the seeds of gangs as we know it today. The aftermath and messaging of that event in Trinidad showed that anyone could get away with the highest form of treason and be rewarded.
The situation in SA and Mandela was not even close- the causes of oppression were of different magnitude. So while there is always a root cause or motive for actions - a story which may have been told - a messaging used to incite action- look at how Trumped incited the masses- Hitler's propaganda another- in my opinion our judicial laws were too lienent in dispensing justice-
Today is the same judicial laws which again permitting criminals to walk freely - when corruption among high ranking officials could remain unpunished because the law is being used to bufffer a verdict then we are in essence allowing lawlessness-
in TnT we all have " back stories" - why has there been no conclusive soluntion to the insidious ambush and killing of Dana Seetahal? We have speculation- what was the big reason? What ever happened to a former sports minister under the previous government- he fled the country at one time? What ever happened to a former attoney General?
You have someone today again who was in some way part of these events leading teams and talking bs about coaching yet himself achieved short term minimal success without sustainable results- in many ways he is part of what I am seeing as " mercenary coaches" plying their trade to countries who do not have the local expertise or who cannot afford the big names- so opportunities are afforded and these so called coaches parlay their skills to the highest bidder yet for all their knowledge and expertise they are unable to create success in their homeland but now want to spew venom on the present situation.
Nah in my personal opinion this joker will never be a credible source to speak about coaching. He should consider himself fortunate that he was given an opportunity at a second life - to run a club- and don't forget all the football equipment and balls that were taken after the JW years and turnover in the TTFA.
Validibity credability moral character are components / traits you look for in a coach and if the foundation is compromise so shall the structure.
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AB, I wrote a short response..phone ring, by the time I come back, freeze up and lost it. We will discuss this another time. As I said, don't want to hijack the thread. Later. I would say, I understand your feelings, but '90 was only a more extreme and vicious repeat of '70. Subsequently, if the corrective measures are not taken, it may happen again. I agree with to much criminal rights today. However, pre-70, crime was always on the rise, and during '80s it grew worse, drugs, major influx of guns and no change to socio-economic climate of the 70s. They blaming them, them blaming they, and no consequential and necessary adjustment and fix hapeening, as everybody expect in 5 years to cleanup the damage of 70 + years of a failed society. The village not raising the child as itself has become fragmented. Way past Brother killing Brother, as the new order, causing Brother to kill Father, Mother, Wife and Sister and Friend too.
We need a few beers and a couple weeks to discuss and debate, hopefully we can, sooner than later. Won't change nothing, but at least we can come to understand each other view, and at least get a lil buzz. Shabazz was 20 something, he was no leader, he was just a follower, in a time when heroes was Che/Fidel/Malcolm and yes, Nelson and Steven were examples of struggle. Ignorance and folly of youth in an already spoiled society. As I said at least he has done a major amount of community, national and regional service, even if in itself it has not made as major dent as we would like. I don't think he would operate the same way today as he did then. I changed, so there is hope for anybody. :devil:
Back to thefootball and crooked shenanigans of the TF footballing era. They remove a Team for 1 man making contracts, but keep the leading beef presented of that contract during the worse financial times. Wonder if they kept his agent's contract as well. Years and Years of crap and still we swim, so I not mourning TT and it's ppl just yet.
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Fenwick: Were in transition from the oldest squad in world football; Wired868 fact-checks coach.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).
The way I am looking at this, its a point away from home against a very good side, said Trinidad and Tobago Mens National Senior Team head coach Terry Fenwick, when a Puerto Rican reporter asked how he felt about a draw in Mayaguez yesterday eveninga result that meant the Soca Warriors slipped two points behind group leaders St Kitts and Nevis.
Puerto Rico, incidentally, are ranked 179th in the world75 places behind Trinidad and Tobagoand 25th from Concacafs 35 member nations. They have never defeated Trinidad and Tobago and their biggest achievement as a football nation was qualifying for the group stage of the 1993 Caribbean Cup.
More to the point, Puerto Rico hired their head coach for the Qatar 2022 World Cup qualifying campaign, wily veteran Dave Sarachan, four weeks before their first game, and were still holding screening sessions in the middle of March.
It would generally be considered inadequate preparation for even the Secondary Schools Football League (SSFL).
We always knew this would be a difficult game here in Puerto Rico, and Dave Saragosa (sic) did a terrific job with his young team, he said. Very well organised, well structured Several top players playing very well together, stretching us on numerous occasions
Puerto Rico left back Ral Gonzles III is employed with United States second division team, Memphis 901, while 17-year-old midfielder Wilfredo Rivera just signed for MLS team Orlando City but has only played in the US third tier to date.
The remainder of the Puerto Rico team compete in the US third tier, in semi-professional leagues in places like Gibraltar or Bolivia; or, like captain Sidney Rivera and goalkeeper Cody Laurendi, are unemployed.
Fenwick tried to identify Puerto Ricos most eye-catching talent but couldnt quite manage it.
I am trying to think of the young mans name, seven, he said. [He had] very good movement coming in off the line, behind the big striker
Perhaps it was a fitting tribute to the spritely Wilfredo, since he had given Trinidad and Tobagos defenders the slip whole evening.
Another reporter asked Fenwick how he felt about trailing St Kitts and Nevis at the midway point, with only one team able to advance from the group. (The Sugar Boyz are ranked 140th in the world and 14th in Concacaf, while T&T are 103rd and 11th respectively.)
Recognise we are in a transition in Trinidad and Tobago, he said. Weve had the oldest squad in world football and were slowly but surely bringing young guys in, better quality players. And between now and the next window, we are hoping to have more better quality players joining us from the UK and the US.
Fenwick has repeatedly criticised his predecessor, Dennis Lawrence, for having the oldest squad in world football without any pushback. And the facts?
In Lawrences last game in charge, a 4-0 loss to Honduras on 17 November, the players who ended the match were: Marvin Phillip (35), Aikim Andrews (23), Aubrey David (29), Sheldon Bateau (28), Daneil Cyrus (29), Aaron Lester (26), Kevon Goddard (23), Jomoul Francois (24), Ataulla Guerra (32), Ryan Telfer (25), Marcus Joseph (28).
The average age of Lawrences team was 27.45.
Yesterday evening, the players who ended the game for Trinidad and Tobago were: Nicklas Frenderup (28), Neveal Hackshaw (25), Sheldon Bateau (30), Aubrey David (30), Robert Primus (30), Michel Poon-Angeron (19), Andre Boucaud (36), Duane Muckette (25), Levi Garcia (23), Willis Plaza (33), Jabari Mitchell (23).
The average age of Fenwicks team was 27.54.
Does that mean Fenwick has replaced Lawrence as coach of the oldest squad in world football? Does the Englishman wilfully misrepresent data to suit his own agenda? Or does he just operate based on vaps and guesswork?
Thanks to the normalisation committee, weve got Wyscout, Fenwick told the TTFA Media, after T&Ts 3-0 win over Guyana on Thursday. So we will be watching [Puerto Rico] tomorrow and will prepare for them properly.
Did Fenwick use the snazzy scouting technology to give the Trinidad and Tobago players any video analysis of their Puerto Rico opponents before kick off? Did any technical staff member watch Puerto Rico play against St Kitts and Nevis in Santo Domingo on 4 March? Was there even a review of the comprehensive yet scrappy 3-0 win over Guyana?
Word from the camp suggest otherwise and the media lacks necessary access to the technical staff to enquire about the preparation work and philosophy behind the football team.
Mind you, Fenwick is actually more media friendly than normalisation committee chairman Robert Hadadhead-butt or notso he is unlikely to face any internal pressure to subject himself to questioning.
After two weeks in charge, Sarachan had Puerto Rico players zipping the ball around the park and implementing neat triangles everywhere. The Spanish-speaking islanders lacked quality but not structure.
In contrast, after nine months training, Fenwicks team still looked disjointed, stretched and unsure about how and where to start play or regain possession.
On Sunday evening, one of the two teams in Mayaguez had six players competing in the top tier of the United States, Belgium, Greece, Norway, Costa Rica and Canada domestic leagues. But if you were a casual observer looking on, would you have been able to guess which one?
I thought it was a game where once we got a lead we would go from strength to strength, said Fenwick. To be fair to Puerto Rico, I thought they dug in deep, played very well and in the end a draw was a fair result.
[] Weve got our next game at home which is a very big game against St Kitts in Port of Spain, Trinidad, so thats what we will be focusing on.
A draw was a fair result. And Fenwick wasnt stretching the truth either when he said Trinidad and Tobago had the opportunity to extend their lead too.
The Englishman was probably correct too when he suggested that a few more imports could assure Trinidad and Tobago of qualification for the next round. But has he done enough with what he inherited?
Fenwicks appointment was supposed to mean a more competitive team, complemented by young, local talent and armed with a clear philosophy. He has not delivered; not yet anyway.
Still, Trinidad and Tobago are alive in the competition and capable of getting to the next phase; and that is something.
Whether Fenwick has done enough to retain the nations unswerving trust when it comes to the business of advancing Trinidad and Tobagos football teamnot Fifas!is another matter entirely. Trust is earned, after all; and only con-men are afraid of questions.
If youre a football stakeholder, now would be the time to evaluate the progress of your driver. It is best to know as early as possible whether the bright light up ahead is actually an oncoming bus!
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Trinidadians watch too much bloody tv, and everything they see on tv they want it to come true in little trinidad. Andre baptiste has a show on tv6 called the twelfth man, I was taken a back with this show because it was all about foreign football and not one mention of a local team on his show, it was so bizarre.
in trinidad there are people who actually support top European teams never having been to Europe or knowing anything of the culture of the people they support, which is fine after all its not the end of the world, but when they watch the national team they unconsciously want to see the same brand of football as a barca, chelsea or a bayern munich which automatically translates into disappoint.
dont misunderstand me but its high time we spend our money on our lads and develop a top league so we dont have to scan the globe looking for second generation trinis to fill the gap. I believe we have the human resources to develop the best players right here in trinbago, but we have to get deadly serious and stop playing games.
we cant rely on the government coffers alone and cooperate TT must get on board if we are to be successful. we must also partner with foreign sponsors and top footballing nations like Italy and germany who have some of the best programs in the world and our lads could learn so much.
sometimes I get so frustrated with us only wanting to go to a world cup and people getting all twisted out of shape when we dont. we should be putting all that energy into developing a first class league and building football schools all over the nation to have a steady flow of local talent. rid ourselves of these local coaches and invest in foreign trained coaching staff for the league.
build community grounds so the fans wont have far to travel for games like they do in jamaica. create an environment of professionalism so the people could get familiar with the teams and want to support them. forget World Cup for now and concentrate on winning a gold cup or a CCL league cup, in other words baby steps. its like no one is thinking on that island, where are these people minds?
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rid ourselves of these local coaches and invest in foreign trained coaching staff for the league.
Your article is really good, but I really don't agree on your take about local coaches. Yes, they not as good as you want them to be. I agree that they need to get better. I agree with the partnership with the Euros, etc. But I eh see the exclusion of the local coaches happening.
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From what I've seen....Fenwick brings a lot of perspiration but little organization or structure.
He wants intensity, deep pressing, hustle, from his teams. These are good things.
He doesn't seem however to be able to have any sort of organization or structure in any third of the field. He eschews the technical in favour of effort and graft.
In other words....what you would expect of a stereotypical English coach.
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From what I've seen....Fenwick brings a lot of perspiration but little organization or structure.
He wants intensity, deep pressing, hustle, from his teams. These are good things.
He doesn't seem however to be able to have any sort of organization or structure in any third of the field. He eschews the technical in favour of effort and graft.
In other words....what you would expect of a stereotypical English coach.
You really brother, buying cat in bag ... :D
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Hes not a WC caliber coach, or hes either being controlled by the normalization committee with ulterior motives hidden in there..
Because his selection and tactics and subs make no sense... Given his experience and some say success with younger teams locally, it really doesnt add up in terms of what we are seeing on the pitch.
Hes definitely not at the level or intelligence of SH.. Hes a lot of talk as we expected but very little action.
The question is, how long will he last and when will we see that we need a coach that can actually give us a shot at Qatar...
I say we give him 2 or max 3 games into the final round when we meet Mexico and US etc if we make it that far with his coaching style, in fact we havent really identified that yet but I cant see him sparring with the best in our region.
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Here we go again with you and your man crush. its the same ole recycled bullshit from a mad man and his mad man rants, nothing new here. Steven hart is the ultimate coach even pep and mancini have to bows at his feet. Hes won the gold cup, concacaf champions league, the Caribbean cup and has been to a World Cup. what a coach we have in steven. Please.
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Pull Stones be kind to your Friend- It is Holy Week , the man carry his Cross , by Sunday he may experience a Resurrection.
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Pull Stones be kind to your Friend- It is Holy Week , the man carry his Cross , by Sunday he may experience a Resurrection.
I had to listen to this mad bloke for three years mate, and I dont think I could survive another attack of his dementia. at this stage Ive ran out of kindness towards this loon.
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There is already a TF thread- why is this a seperate thread?
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Here we go again with you and your man crush. its the same ole recycled bullshit from a mad man and his mad man rants, nothing new here. Steven hart is the ultimate coach even pep and mancini have to bows at his feet. Hes won the gold cup, concacaf champions league, the Caribbean cup and has been to a World Cup. what a coach we have in steven. Please.
You really have an issue with my opinion :D its like you lose sleep at night because of what I say..
The only mad man on this board is yourself for believing in The Dictator from the beginning. You were eating crow by the end of it..
You pretend to know football but never really comment on the things that matter :D
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Pull Stones be kind to your Friend- It is Holy Week , the man carry his Cross , by Sunday he may experience a Resurrection.
The only resurrection happening is the BS this board does talk after they eat crow :D pride and no shame... plenty of men on here believed in DJW and now they are afraid to comment on how shit this man is coaching so far...
Individuals won the game and drew it recently, not a team...
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From what I've seen....Fenwick brings a lot of perspiration but little organization or structure.
He wants intensity, deep pressing, hustle, from his teams. These are good things.
He doesn't seem however to be able to have any sort of organisation or structure in any third of the field. He eschews the technical in favour of effort and graft.
In other words....what you would expect of a stereotypical English coach.
I agree somewhat, he's a self proclaimed admirer of Terry Venables.
Plus all Bertille St. Clair's team played like that. The structure to them was secondary to man management, pace, power, pressing and supreme fitness. If you listen to the Burdie and Barney podcast when asked about his preferred formation he Bertille couldn't say. He said something akin to Get it, Give it and something else is his philosophy.
Marcelo Bielsa uses a similar idea everywhere he goes and now at Leeds. He loves a 4-3-3 formation with a high, relentless press.
Look at what Terry did when he came to TnT, he shook up the whole league with that style.
If Terry gets the players with that level of fitness he can impress i think but I believe it's a tough one with the national team at the minute.
Fingers crossed
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From what I've seen....Fenwick brings a lot of perspiration but little organization or structure.
He wants intensity, deep pressing, hustle, from his teams. These are good things.
He doesn't seem however to be able to have any sort of organisation or structure in any third of the field. He eschews the technical in favour of effort and graft.
In other words....what you would expect of a stereotypical English coach.
I agree somewhat, he's a self proclaimed admirer of Terry Venables.
Plus all Bertille St. Clair's team played like that. The structure to them was secondary to man management, pace, power, pressing and supreme fitness. If you listen to the Burdie and Barney podcast when asked about his preferred formation he Bertille couldn't say. He said something akin to Get it, Give it and something else is his philosophy.
Marcelo Bielsa uses a similar idea everywhere he goes and now at Leeds. He loves a 4-3-3 formation with a high, relentless press.
Look at what Terry did when he came to TnT, he shook up the whole league with that style.
If Terry gets the players with that level of fitness he can impress i think but I believe it's a tough one with the national team at the minute.
Fingers crossed
Yeah but does that style of football fit our players and will it produce results for us?
Last time I checked, Leeds placed out of the top 10 ...
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From what I've seen....Fenwick brings a lot of perspiration but little organization or structure.
He wants intensity, deep pressing, hustle, from his teams. These are good things.
He doesn't seem however to be able to have any sort of organisation or structure in any third of the field. He eschews the technical in favour of effort and graft.
In other words....what you would expect of a stereotypical English coach.
I agree somewhat, he's a self proclaimed admirer of Terry Venables.
Plus all Bertille St. Clair's team played like that. The structure to them was secondary to man management, pace, power, pressing and supreme fitness. If you listen to the Burdie and Barney podcast when asked about his preferred formation he Bertille couldn't say. He said something akin to Get it, Give it and something else is his philosophy.
Marcelo Bielsa uses a similar idea everywhere he goes and now at Leeds. He loves a 4-3-3 formation with a high, relentless press.
Look at what Terry did when he came to TnT, he shook up the whole league with that style.
If Terry gets the players with that level of fitness he can impress i think but I believe it's a tough one with the national team at the minute.
Fingers crossed
Yeah but does that style of football fit our players and will it produce results for us?
Last time I checked, Leeds placed out of the top 10 ...
what style do we have in TT oh looney one? Im really tired of hearing our style of football which is what exactly, run dow the flank and try to beat The Whole defense while losing possession in the process? or is it get the ball in the box and kick as hard as you can when the opportunity presents its self?
I watch a lot of these local players and IMO they are quite predictable. In the game of football you have to out play your opponents in every which way, it also includes rapid ball movement in the final third. its not always about shooting at goal the first chance you get, sometimes you have to look for the open man and getting a few touches in discombobulating the defense and the keeper which opens up gaps for better scoring opportunities.
I guess what I meant to say is that our players for the most part are one dimensional, and they need to be a little more cheeky and a little less obvious. I hope I didnt lose you.
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From what I've seen....Fenwick brings a lot of perspiration but little organization or structure.
He wants intensity, deep pressing, hustle, from his teams. These are good things.
He doesn't seem however to be able to have any sort of organisation or structure in any third of the field. He eschews the technical in favour of effort and graft.
In other words....what you would expect of a stereotypical English coach.
I agree somewhat, he's a self proclaimed admirer of Terry Venables.
Plus all Bertille St. Clair's team played like that. The structure to them was secondary to man management, pace, power, pressing and supreme fitness. If you listen to the Burdie and Barney podcast when asked about his preferred formation he Bertille couldn't say. He said something akin to Get it, Give it and something else is his philosophy.
Marcelo Bielsa uses a similar idea everywhere he goes and now at Leeds. He loves a 4-3-3 formation with a high, relentless press.
Look at what Terry did when he came to TnT, he shook up the whole league with that style.
If Terry gets the players with that level of fitness he can impress i think but I believe it's a tough one with the national team at the minute.
Fingers crossed
Yeah but does that style of football fit our players and will it produce results for us?
Last time I checked, Leeds placed out of the top 10 ...
what style do we have in TT oh looney one? Im really tired of hearing our style of football which is what exactly, run dow the flank and try to beat The Whole defense while losing possession in the process? or is it get the ball in the box and kick as hard as you can when the opportunity presents its self?
I watch a lot of these local players and IMO they are quite predictable. In the game of football you have to out play your opponents in every which way, it also includes rapid ball movement in the final third. its not always about shooting at goal the first chance you get, sometimes you have to look for the open man and getting a few touches in discombobulating the defense and the keeper which opens up gaps for better scoring opportunities.
I guess what I meant to say is that our players for the most part are one dimensional, and they need to be a little more cheeky and a little less obvious. I hope I didnt lose you.
I guess what I meant to say is that our players for the most part are one dimensional, and they need to be a little more cheeky and a little less obvious. I hope I didnt lose you.
That is a very good point you make. But there is a catch here. TT has had many "cheeky" players in my times and they( the system) have stifled the shit out of them. Conform to a style of play that makes it conducive to play in the metropole(US, Eng, Euro).
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From what I've seen....Fenwick brings a lot of perspiration but little organization or structure.
He wants intensity, deep pressing, hustle, from his teams. These are good things.
He doesn't seem however to be able to have any sort of organisation or structure in any third of the field. He eschews the technical in favour of effort and graft.
In other words....what you would expect of a stereotypical English coach.
I agree somewhat, he's a self proclaimed admirer of Terry Venables.
Plus all Bertille St. Clair's team played like that. The structure to them was secondary to man management, pace, power, pressing and supreme fitness. If you listen to the Burdie and Barney podcast when asked about his preferred formation he Bertille couldn't say. He said something akin to Get it, Give it and something else is his philosophy.
Marcelo Bielsa uses a similar idea everywhere he goes and now at Leeds. He loves a 4-3-3 formation with a high, relentless press.
Look at what Terry did when he came to TnT, he shook up the whole league with that style.
If Terry gets the players with that level of fitness he can impress i think but I believe it's a tough one with the national team at the minute.
Fingers crossed
Yeah but does that style of football fit our players and will it produce results for us?
Last time I checked, Leeds placed out of the top 10 ...
what style do we have in TT oh looney one? Im really tired of hearing our style of football which is what exactly, run dow the flank and try to beat The Whole defense while losing possession in the process? or is it get the ball in the box and kick as hard as you can when the opportunity presents its self?
I watch a lot of these local players and IMO they are quite predictable. In the game of football you have to out play your opponents in every which way, it also includes rapid ball movement in the final third. its not always about shooting at goal the first chance you get, sometimes you have to look for the open man and getting a few touches in discombobulating the defense and the keeper which opens up gaps for better scoring opportunities.
I guess what I meant to say is that our players for the most part are one dimensional, and they need to be a little more cheeky and a little less obvious. I hope I didnt lose you.
I know youre lacking attention at home but why you always on my posts chatting a bunch of garbage that make no sense... Tallman also commented and many others about the lack of any organization in our football but your ass is quiet with those posts?
Another reason why TT struggles is bc they have hypocrites like yourself that are two faced and narcissistic that are running our country and football and trying to silence the truth seekers...
Get a life brother and go study football tactics and strategy you might actually have a constructive conversation to come back with..
I have little patience for people with low intelligence like yourself.. its just wasting my time typing to you :D
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From what I've seen....Fenwick brings a lot of perspiration but little organization or structure.
He wants intensity, deep pressing, hustle, from his teams. These are good things.
He doesn't seem however to be able to have any sort of organisation or structure in any third of the field. He eschews the technical in favour of effort and graft.
In other words....what you would expect of a stereotypical English coach.
I agree somewhat, he's a self proclaimed admirer of Terry Venables.
Plus all Bertille St. Clair's team played like that. The structure to them was secondary to man management, pace, power, pressing and supreme fitness. If you listen to the Burdie and Barney podcast when asked about his preferred formation he Bertille couldn't say. He said something akin to Get it, Give it and something else is his philosophy.
Marcelo Bielsa uses a similar idea everywhere he goes and now at Leeds. He loves a 4-3-3 formation with a high, relentless press.
Look at what Terry did when he came to TnT, he shook up the whole league with that style.
If Terry gets the players with that level of fitness he can impress i think but I believe it's a tough one with the national team at the minute.
Fingers crossed
Yeah but does that style of football fit our players and will it produce results for us?
Last time I checked, Leeds placed out of the top 10 ...
what style do we have in TT oh looney one? Im really tired of hearing our style of football which is what exactly, run dow the flank and try to beat The Whole defense while losing possession in the process? or is it get the ball in the box and kick as hard as you can when the opportunity presents its self?
I watch a lot of these local players and IMO they are quite predictable. In the game of football you have to out play your opponents in every which way, it also includes rapid ball movement in the final third. its not always about shooting at goal the first chance you get, sometimes you have to look for the open man and getting a few touches in discombobulating the defense and the keeper which opens up gaps for better scoring opportunities.
I guess what I meant to say is that our players for the most part are one dimensional, and they need to be a little more cheeky and a little less obvious. I hope I didnt lose you.
You tend to go to extremes I notice, TT has always had a strong creative mid which is absent in this team. No creativity or strong mid presence in our matches... and no its not one dimensional, it depends on the coach, under Hart, under beenhakker and even at times under maturana it was unpredictable creative, progressive football that was organized And had a style to it..
So I disagree strongly
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From what I've seen....Fenwick brings a lot of perspiration but little organization or structure.
He wants intensity, deep pressing, hustle, from his teams. These are good things.
He doesn't seem however to be able to have any sort of organisation or structure in any third of the field. He eschews the technical in favour of effort and graft.
In other words....what you would expect of a stereotypical English coach.
I agree somewhat, he's a self proclaimed admirer of Terry Venables.
Plus all Bertille St. Clair's team played like that. The structure to them was secondary to man management, pace, power, pressing and supreme fitness. If you listen to the Burdie and Barney podcast when asked about his preferred formation he Bertille couldn't say. He said something akin to Get it, Give it and something else is his philosophy.
Marcelo Bielsa uses a similar idea everywhere he goes and now at Leeds. He loves a 4-3-3 formation with a high, relentless press.
Look at what Terry did when he came to TnT, he shook up the whole league with that style.
If Terry gets the players with that level of fitness he can impress i think but I believe it's a tough one with the national team at the minute.
Fingers crossed
Yeah but does that style of football fit our players and will it produce results for us?
Last time I checked, Leeds placed out of the top 10 ...
This just clearly shows you know little to nothing about football.
Mate, you come on here just spouting bile at everyone if they have a different opinion to you.
Yet you don't know that Leeds was only promoted to the Premier League after 16 years in the Championship and League 1 in the current 2020/2021 season
So you are dead wrong that they "placed out of the top 10", when in fact this is just there 1st season back and they are currently 11th in the table with 9 games to go. This is a great standing for any newly promoted team especially one with no big money spends.
Under Bielsa they play an a stereotypical attacking brand with a high press all synonymous with him.
Hart isn't coming back, get over it!
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Eyes on youth: Teenagers aplenty in Fenwicks first T&T training squad
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express)
ENGLISHMAN Terry Fenwick has made a commitment to add young players to the national mens football team, even if it means that some older locally-based players might have to be left out.
A month after commencing national team training, Fenwick held his first media conference yesterday at the Police Barracks in St James. The former England defender, 60, worked with a bunch of 35 kids under the watchful eyes of Police Commissioner Gary Griffith.
Assisting Fenwick were a combination of former national players and coaches such as Clayton Ince and Ross Russell, along with San Juan Jablotehs Keith Jeffrey and Keon Trim. Fenwick explained that his assistants, Derek King and Angus Eve, were unavailable for yesterdays session.
Despite uncertainty as to whether the FIFA installed Normalisation Committee or the elected officials of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association are running the sport locally, Fenwick felt it important to get his programme going.
We have just come through Covid virus into the Sahara dust and in between all of that, we dont know who our leadership is at this time, he said, vowing to steer clear of local football politics.
Politics around the world is not easy. It gets bitter and twisted at times, he declared, That is where we are. I am leaving that alone.
Fenwick said his early ambition has been limited by finances.
I wanted to take a team from Trinidad to Tobago to play against the best players that they got available in Tobago, he said. So we can see what we got and select the best that they got over there.
Fenwicks focus is on young, locally-based players, although a few experienced 31-year-olds such as Police goalkeeper Adrian Foncette, La Horquetta Rangers Keron Ball Pest Cummings and Defence Force defender Curtis Boyo Gonzales were among those training. The squad also included talented 19-year-old Central FC midfielder Che Benny, striker Justin Araujo-Wilson (17), W Connection talent Molik Khan (16), St Anthonys College forward Kai Phillip (19), Club Sando striker and Pro League top scorer Shaqkeem Joseph (19), John-Paul Rochford (20) and Justin Sadoo, the 22-year-old Point Fortin Civic defensive midfielder.
Im working with a very, very young squad of players, Fenwick said.
Some of my players will be in their late teens coming through to my national side. They have done a great job so far. The intensity has been remarkable. Sometimes it does look a little frenetic because they have put a lot of time and effort into their physical side of the game, he added.
My intention, as national team coach, is to develop the best kids that we have available, he said, explaining that the face of the squad would change over time, with others also getting an opportunity to stake their claims.
We are working hard at it. Ive got my detractors in the background, which is okay, I understand. I am giving my everything to the young players that we got.
The Englishman said his ambition was to get into the mind of his young charges, getting them to do the simple things right. While talented, some have not previously benefitted from structured coaching and so, many things are brand new to them. Some will rise to the occasion while others will not be good enough and will be replaced by other talent.
There are lots of players out there in the mid-20s who havent been selected and are not involved in this squad, and they are asking why, Fenwick revealed.
I said to them, Fellas, if you are 27 and older and you are still playing here in the league in Trinidad and Tobago, I know I have better players at the highest standard of football somewhere else in the world.
You wouldnt believe the response I have had locally and internationally from players around the world that want to play for Trinidad and Tobago, he continued.
Fenwick said his intention was to get results.
I want us to get away from being 105th ranking in the world (and) one of the teams in the Caribbean region. I want to be the top team in the region. I want to be top-50 ranked in the world. I want to move us in the right direction and that will not happen unless we have a good development process from 15, 17, 20, into the (senior) national team.
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Fenwick: We have something to offer.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).
National coach Terry Fenwick is manoeuvring the challenges of a less-than-ideal leadership, the selection of inexperienced players, to people who are not in favour of him being national coach, as well as little to no finances, to turn around the fortunes of T&T football.
Addressing the media soon after a training session at the Police training ground at the St James Barracks on Friday, the English-born coach said he wants not to be one of the top teams in the Caribbean but the best in the region, as well as one of the top 50 teams in the world.
To date, he has been mentoring the young players, some of whom have never played under a top-class coach, he told the audience and has been guiding them on the areas they need work.
"Some of the sessions that they've done are brand new, they don't know. I am engaging them on and off the field as to how they adapt mentally. Everything I tell them, I only tell them once to see who takes it on board because that's how the world is moving right now. I want us to get away from this 105th ranking in the world, or one of the teams from the Caribbean region. I want to be the top team in the region. I want to be down on the 50 ranked in the world which will move us in the right direction, and that will not happen until we have a development process from 15, 17, 20 and the senior national team."
He added: "We have done a good job so far. The intensity has been remarkable."
Courtesy the assistance of Robert Hadad, the chairman of the FIFA-appointed Normalisation Committee who has helped the team with his finances to get food and refreshment, and Commissioner of Police Gary Griffith, the team has been in training for just under a month now (the first session was on June 8.) and has made tremendous strides despite the challenges of the coronavirus (COVID19) pandemic, situation. The infiltration of the Saharan dust, and the uncertainty of who will lead local football after the pending July 29 court matter between the world governing body for football - FIFA, and the William Wallace-led United T&T Football Association.
He told the media he has been encouraged when he sees the work of coaches such as Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp, he knows we are in a good place. "When we have got the best coaches in the world such as Pep Guardiola, coaching teams with teenagers to win Championships, whether it be the Premier League or the Champions League, and that's with at whatever clubs he has been, that tells me that these youngsters have got something to offer."
Fenwick, 60, is hoping to follow up his team with a match between a Trinidad representative team versus a Tobago team in the sister-isle soon, as well as an international encounter with either Guyana or Barbados before the year ends.
He hopes to work on the many interested players internationally with T&T's parentage with the hope of selecting the best team.
At the last FIFA World Cup qualifiers, the T&T team was recorded as the oldest squad in world football, but the Englishman who took over from Dennis Lawrence on December 19, 2019, said he wants to change that. Fenwick's training squads yesterday comprised some 40 players such as Adrian Foncette, Jabari Mitchell (Police FC); Andre Marchan, Aaron Enil, Curtis Gonzales, Justin Garcia, Adrian Welch, Hashim Arcia, Reon Moore, Brent Sam, Dwight Quintero (Defence Force); Christopher Biggette, Brandon Semper, Kadeem Hutchinson, Justin Araujo-Wilson, Tyrese Bailey (San Juan Jabloteh); Kadeem Riley (Unattached); Isaiah Garcia, Molik Khan (W Connection); Jelani Peters (Toronto FC); Jesse Williams, Jameel Neptune, Kevon Goddard, Che Benny, Sean Bonval (Central FC); Xavier Rajpaul (Cunupia FC); Justin Sadoo (Point Fortin); Rivaldo Coryat, Matthew Wooling, John Paul Rochford (AC Port of Spain); Keron Cornwall, Shaqkeem Joseph (Club Sando FC); Keron Cummings (La Horquetta Rangers); Judah Garcia (Point Fortin FC); Nicholas Dillon (Patro Eisden Maas); Kai Phillip (St Anthonys College); Tyrese Spicer (St Augustine Secondary); Michael Poon-Angeron, Akeem Roach, Jaheim McFee.
Among those who assisted Fenwick during yesterday's session were Clayton Ince, Keith Jeffreys and Ross Russell.
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So is he done with his locals. Since he feel he couldnt get thru, even if he used only a couple in last 2 games ? Not sure how he came to conclusion he need to find more strong foreign born that he dont know. He dont believe in his ability to bring the ones he knows up to par that he would have been working with for what would be almost a year ? How will he work with them ?
Sounds like he depending on individuals and not a team. I might be mistaken.
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So is he done with his locals. Since he feel he couldnt get thru, even if he used only a couple in last 2 games ? Not sure how he came to conclusion he need to find more strong foreign born that he dont know. He dont believe in his ability to bring the ones he knows up to par that he would have been working with for what would be almost a year ? How will he work with them ?
Sounds like he depending on individuals and not a team. I might be mistaken.
Unless they're total idiots, no coach will go into WCQ with players who haven't played any competitive football for over a year if they have eligible players who are experienced and have been playin regularly.
All coaches want to win. They could bump dey gum all dey want bout developing local players and giving locals a chance etc....but when push come to shove.....most will go with experienced players.
As for depending on individuals rather than team....did you see any of the 2 games we played recently?
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So is he done with his locals. Since he feel he couldnt get thru, even if he used only a couple in last 2 games ? Not sure how he came to conclusion he need to find more strong foreign born that he dont know. He dont believe in his ability to bring the ones he knows up to par that he would have been working with for what would be almost a year ? How will he work with them ?
Sounds like he depending on individuals and not a team. I might be mistaken.
Unless they're total idiots, no coach will go into WCQ with players who haven't played any competitive football for over a year if they have eligible players who are experienced and have been playin regularly.
All coaches want to win. They could bump dey gum all dey want bout developing local players and giving locals a chance etc....but when push come to shove.....most will go with experienced players.
As for depending on individuals rather than team....did you see any of the 2 games we played recently?
Yes I did. As a matter of fact, saw the last 3. What I saw was no discernible plan (but of course there could have been one), no team organization (out of position players), some structure, plenty effort. Who were the players in action over the last year that gave some kind of performance. I did not see much teamwork, especially in the last 2 2nd halves. I saw individuals trying their best to play the games and figure out each other. Our successes depending on each of their play, with few exceptions. All the boys managed as best as they could - again with few exceptions - considering the circumstance. I saw the oppositions operating as a unit, even in the Guyana game, even with their uncharacteristic mistkaes and breakdowns. My concern is, If Mr Fenwick brings in a further new active unknown players, 3 days before (as released by their clubs), will that serve to improve our team ? How so ? Yes, Molino,yes a left back, yes, Hacksaw can move up, but with other additions, will Telfer/Plaza have more options or support. Where/who else replaced. I already removed JJ. Maybe a dedicated Central defender. Yet, how will the TEAM combine to win games ? I don't know enough of the strategies to deduce that answer, but maybe you do, with a new 'MeMum' or 'far- Danish' in mind.
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I have similar observations as you excerpt for the structure part. I didnt see any.
My point is given those observations, the players will go out and do their best and performances and results will largely depend on individual effort rather than as a result of any cohesive play.
I dont see a difference to that lack of structure and organization with local based players. Those local based players individual efforts will likely be of a lower standard than that of foreign based players that play regularly
Therefore, if the above is accurate, the teams best chance of a positive result will be to have as many established, experienced players who have the most recent match practice as possible.
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From what I've seen....Fenwick brings a lot of perspiration but little organization or structure.
He wants intensity, deep pressing, hustle, from his teams. These are good things.
He doesn't seem however to be able to have any sort of organisation or structure in any third of the field. He eschews the technical in favour of effort and graft.
In other words....what you would expect of a stereotypical English coach.
I agree somewhat, he's a self proclaimed admirer of Terry Venables.
Plus all Bertille St. Clair's team played like that. The structure to them was secondary to man management, pace, power, pressing and supreme fitness. If you listen to the Burdie and Barney podcast when asked about his preferred formation he Bertille couldn't say. He said something akin to Get it, Give it and something else is his philosophy.
Marcelo Bielsa uses a similar idea everywhere he goes and now at Leeds. He loves a 4-3-3 formation with a high, relentless press.
Look at what Terry did when he came to TnT, he shook up the whole league with that style.
If Terry gets the players with that level of fitness he can impress i think but I believe it's a tough one with the national team at the minute.
Fingers crossed
Yeah but does that style of football fit our players and will it produce results for us?
Last time I checked, Leeds placed out of the top 10 ...
This just clearly shows you know little to nothing about football.
Mate, you come on here just spouting bile at everyone if they have a different opinion to you.
Yet you don't know that Leeds was only promoted to the Premier League after 16 years in the Championship and League 1 in the current 2020/2021 season
So you are dead wrong that they "placed out of the top 10", when in fact this is just there 1st season back and they are currently 11th in the table with 9 games to go. This is a great standing for any newly promoted team especially one with no big money spends.
Under Bielsa they play an a stereotypical attacking brand with a high press all synonymous with him.
Hart isn't coming back, get over it!
So because you are following Leeds more intently than I am means you know more about football than I do :D
Yes I know they were promoted but even with 9 games left they are not finishing in the top 3 and Fenwick is not implementing the brand of football that Bielsa is trying to implement... Nor are we seeing our team play well in this formation under his coaching, and no I am not advocating for Hart fool..
Its called comparing and analyzing how previous coaches used our players compared to the current coach.
Heres a deeper question for you, did we succeed under the 433 at anytime under Lawrence or Hart? In the gold cup under Hart what was our most successful formation? If you really want to talk formations
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I have similar observations as you excerpt for the structure part. I didnt see any.
My point is given those observations, the players will go out and do their best and performances and results will largely depend on individual effort rather than as a result of any cohesive play.
I dont see a difference to that lack of structure and organization with local based players. Those local based players individual efforts will likely be of a lower standard than that of foreign based players that play regularly
Therefore, if the above is accurate, the teams best chance of a positive result will be to have as many established, experienced players who have the most recent match practice as possible.
Without anyone in particular with little or no history. I think over the next 2 mths, he and his staff could develop a plan, develop is structural organization by developing any 1 or 2 of the 40 locals available to him, and develop 1 or 2 of the 40 + best positional locals available, along with those already on the roster. This shouldnt be a difficult exercise nor time consuming, even with multiple game plans involved. In addition having multiple options even if lesser talent fully aware of requirements to achieve success.
You can have the best architects, contractors, subcontractors and hardest workers, but without extensive and shared plans, they could still build a shack, but the construction of anything greater would probably lead to poor quality. Disorganization, lack of timely results and lots of extra money. My be best to go with good plans, you already have best contractors, and chose yuh subcontractors with the best workers available to you, teaching them yourself (if available) bringing them to the standard and understanding where they can at least follow the plan or at least follow your instructions that you will probably be shouting at the job site.
Any coach can prep a individual player to best fit into a team for multiple strategies, but cannot prep the player for that team strategies. The player would have to get that at his tryout and of course learn ASAP. In 2 mths from the architect mouth, if a few top local players ( not necessarily the most skilled or talented) but the best that can see but cannot get the concepts. Then the qualifications of the architects must be suspect.
My point is new better players not knowing the staff or colleagues, may not have time to follow those plans, that is if the plan is different to their experience or difficult to understand their role , farless to understand everyone elses in 3 days or so.
A Molino et al, would have an idea of the plan, seen it before, discussed it with other colleagues, whether agree with or not, would have his own plan in execution and knowledge of who will follow or lead.
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No.
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No.
No ? Can't be done ? i.e. develop a plan, strategies and a couple more known local players ? :-[
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No.
No ? Can't be done ? i.e. develop a plan, strategies and known players ? :-[
Can be done. Now is not the moment and willfully excluding more accomplished players out of a fear/concern as to whether a coach will be successful with them or whether they will be successful is deficient. It also leaves the sole outcome of achieving failure or success with only one constituency (local) when it is the coach's responsibility to try to yield success from the broader universe.
This cycle is showing that all teams are surmounting this hurdle.
The order of the moment is to bring players in and we are well behind in that regard. The program is permanent. The coach is temporary.
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this is Terrys third game in charge and already hes in for mounting criticism, you people got some balls.
If TT do not win their next game, your will see a "Fire Terry Fenwick Thread".
Compared to what has been launched at other coaches, Fenwick has had a honeymoon on this forum. I don't think a Fire Fenwick thread exists and if that is the case, it is testament to the honeymoon. From what I observe, he entered the job with loads of goodwill. Some coaches had a Fire thread early o'clock.
Third game or not, certain manifestations on the field are undeniable.
One thing I will say doh: during matches coaches don't have the luxury of seeing the field from the view delivered on TV. What is immediately obvious to the viewer may not be immediately obvious to the coach BUT everything that occurs on the field is the coach's responsibility to decipher or influence or anticipate and the coach must acquire a way of seeing the field three dimensionally. But even if she or he misses something during the match, she or he still has video later to have the light bulb go off. How many matches are necessary for that to happen?
International football can't be assessed in the same way as a league. Negative manifestations in two matches ordinarily prompt questions because there are only a handful of matches that determine whether a team swims or sinks. Nothing within the critique of Fenwick's product is atypical. In places like Argentina and Mexico similar comments would be platformed on TV with vigorous argument. In T&T they come through written media mostly.
That stated, I doubt Fenwick is hobbled by not perceiving the field three-dimensionally. He is hobbled by inflexibility. And pay attention to a word Cocorite used: anachronistic.
On Sunday he failed at determining how to be more effective in the final 35 to 45 meters of the field. That lack of effectivity is inseparable from his preferences in other areas of the pitch. That cyah happen and not geh ponged. Three points were for the picking like a ripe mango and we almost left the venue hungry.
On the Bielsa comparison triggered above ... Bielsa's team has the 6th highest goals for tally in the PL. They are not a team with an identity crisis in generating or resolving attacking situations. And Bielsa believes that attacks should be finalized in locations where the opponent least expects ... enough said.
Leeds also has the distinction of having the 6th highest goals conceded tally ... To put that in context, there are four teams below Leeds that have conceded less goals (that includes Fulham who are in the relegation zone) ... and those teams have conceded ~ 10 goals less.
But, is that fruit of the high press or of something else? Do we have a press?
I won't bother with driving into a full comparison of Fenwick with Bielsa because that is heresy and we all know (or should know) the comparison isn't merited more than superficially. I accept it for why it was offered.
However, despite Bielsa's use of 4-3-3 and his dogmatic beliefs, he is not inflexible in what happens within its use and he certainly has demonstrated more adaptability in hundreds of matches than Fenwick demonstrated in one.
Menotti once famously said something along the line of: el inodoro va en el bao y la heladera en la cocina (the toilet goes in the bathroom and the fridge in the kitchen). He meant players play where they should play and dahis it. Bielsa does not agree with that view.
Fenwick and Menotti might enjoy each other's company. Briefly.
Locating and relocating the toilet and the fridge is what had Fenwick screaming his arse off on Sunday.
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Without anyone in particular with little or no history. I think over the next 2 mths, he and his staff could develop a plan, develop is structural organization by developing any 1 or 2 of the 40 locals available to him, and develop 1 or 2 of the 40 + best positional locals available, along with those already on the roster. This shouldnt be a difficult exercise nor time consuming, even with multiple game plans involved. In addition having multiple options even if lesser talent fully aware of requirements to achieve success.
You think it takes 1-2 months to develop a player? Any player? Even for an international tournament?
I disagree
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Without anyone in particular with little or no history. I think over the next 2 mths, he and his staff could develop a plan, develop is structural organization by developing any 1 or 2 of the 40 locals available to him, and develop 1 or 2 of the 40 + best positional locals available, along with those already on the roster. This shouldnt be a difficult exercise nor time consuming, even with multiple game plans involved. In addition having multiple options even if lesser talent fully aware of requirements to achieve success.
You think it takes 1-2 months to develop a player? Any player? Even for an international tournament?
I disagree
I think with the proper selections, yes. Yuh selecting from your stable of the best you can found in the country. Hes not any footballer. Yuh not developing a team, yuh working on a disciplined, talented, above average best football athlete to play a role. He doesnt have to learn the whole script, just his lines, and has the ability to adlib as is necessary.
Seeker, yes the more to select from the better, but I suspect we mostly out of beggees and ppl who we should have called and or played in the past. Anybody you call now to work on FIFA dates might be a bigger gamble, unless they already know the coach system . Maybe the Hfx boys, as they had past experience and current teaching. But are they playing? And when they do, would they be ready ? Remember we dont have no EPL or Bundesliga descendants or we woulda reach them and blank them ahready.
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To your point, the players to be called are not novices. Bring the experienced players and adopt success to their attributes. Don't exclude them as if we have that luxury and don't insist on predetermined squarepegging in round holes.
How can we be out of foreign-based when smaller populated qualifiers are still reinforcing?
Anyone worth their salt can learn what we are playing.
Bear in mind, there is NO domestic football.
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Bear in mind, there is NO domestic football.
THIS 🤞🏾
Beyond that.....no domestic football for over a year.
We delude ourselves into thinking we have this abundance of football talent in T&T.
If that were truly the case, wouldnt others recognize it and sign them to contracts?
Theres a reason that other than Levi Garcia, not a single one of our players Under 23 have been picked up by an elite foreign club.
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Bear in mind, there is NO domestic football.
THIS 🤞🏾
Beyond that.....no domestic football for over a year.
We delude ourselves into thinking we have this abundance of football talent in T&T.
If that were truly the case, wouldnt others recognize it and sign them to contracts?
Theres a reason that other than Levi Garcia, not a single one of our players Under 23 have been picked up by an elite foreign club.
This is mostly true, but we will always fight an up hill battle as what clubs in their right mind send scouts to our region? We've got a collective population similar to Argentina in the Caribbean but with significantly higher costs of travel, worse infrastructure, worse coaching coaching poor FAs. Our players often go abroad via the US, random agents, and optimistic flights abroad for a trial.
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To your point, the players to be called are not novices. Bring the experienced players and adopt success to their attributes. Don't exclude them as if we have that luxury and don't insist on predetermined squarepegging in round holes.
How can we be out of foreign-based when smaller populated qualifiers are still reinforcing?
Anyone worth their salt can learn what we are playing.
Bear in mind, there is NO domestic football.
1. Not excluding no-one, but you must admit, the picking are at present slim. Do you have any sort of list of who of quality is playing at present ? Maybe we can assist TF in finding them.
2. True, but they might be confused to what that is, as we couch coaches are. And is not that we never kick lime.
Bear in mind, there is NO domestic football.
THIS 🤞🏾
Beyond that.....no domestic football for over a year.
We delude ourselves into thinking we have this abundance of football talent in T&T.
If that were truly the case, wouldnt others recognize it and sign them to contracts?
Theres a reason that other than Levi Garcia, not a single one of our players Under 23 have been picked up by an elite foreign club.
We don't, but Mexico in our region definitely seem to have more than us, how many Mexicans getting major leagues contracts (besides the neighbourly MLS).
This is mostly true, but we will always fight an up hill battle as what clubs in their right mind send scouts to our region? We've got a collective population similar to Argentina in the Caribbean but with significantly higher costs of travel, worse infrastructure, worse coaching coaching poor FAs. Our players often go abroad via the US, random agents, and optimistic flights abroad for a trial.
That I believe explains that. Is not like were constant finalist in regional tournaments. We do have a few, but I as a foreign manager, would quicker take a chance with a championship player from the region, unless we make a tour and discover a youth with potential and get him before he spoil (Yorke eg.). The rest have to try ah thing if they can afford it. Even Latapy had to go this route, if I'm not mistaken. Especially now, what ppl hearing bout in TT football. The infamous JW, DJW and eventual NC. Ppl have they own bacchanal to deal with. How many Columbians was getting call with their cartel business. Only now they outta the regular news, some managing to see a little way. Majority of big football SA still playing at home, mind you, they have longer and stronger organizations than us, and still hardly big work. We behind them in so many ways, and evrytime, someone have a vision to take us forward, they are embarrassed, removed or quit, and we ride on another hope to get us thru (it's how we have been). I hope one day that changes.
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This is mostly true, but we will always fight an up hill battle as what clubs in their right mind send scouts to our region? We've got a collective population similar to Argentina in the Caribbean but with significantly higher costs of travel, worse infrastructure, worse coaching coaching poor FAs. Our players often go abroad via the US, random agents, and optimistic flights abroad for a trial.
Prior to the pandemic, scouts went everywhere. Besides....technology rendered much of that travel moot. If youre good.....word gets around. Teams are ALWAYS literally scouring the earth looking for talent. The Caribbean is no exception.
Were just not good enough. Which is interesting because Ive heard the perception is players from the Caribbean are athletic, strong, and quick. Characteristics they look for in modern football.
Competition is more stiff today than in Dwight Yorke days......and he was an anomaly.
Today de yute from Maloney Gardens in competition with yutes from Nigeria, Ghana, Japan, etc. Not easy.
As for Mexico....the Mexican league is considered an elite foreign league. At least on par with MLS
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As for Mexico....the Mexican league is considered an elite foreign league. At least on par with MLS
The Mexican league is better than MLS.
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As for Mexico....the Mexican league is considered an elite foreign league. At least on par with MLS
The Mexican league is better than MLS.
Not to change topic. Just a story. I was in Mexico for a swim meet(Lilman).Next to the pool there was astro turf football field, baseball field and rugby field. There was organized football matches on that field from 9:00 am to 9:00 pm/ 5 days/ week. Fete-matches on Saturday and Sunday. No baseball, rugby nor cricket. I ask the pool security guy, how come. He explained during the day is night-shift workers league, from 3 to 6:30 is schools league, from 6:30 to 10:00( we left at 9) is men and women clubs league. Weekends is ole timers leagues. Although my leg was in a cast, he asked if I play this weekend if I wantto run. I think he meant if I used to play. I ask him if it have a cripples ole-timer serving beers on the side league.
Point is they play football whole day everyday. At least in that town. We aint like that and probably never will be. As I think TF said, we have seasons. I said to myself hmmm. So when they running their big league better believe they experienced, knowledgeable and know wtf their endgame is. Oh this was Puerto Vallarta . Couldnt imagine what going up in that environment is. And still they aint make WC final yet.
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To your point, the players to be called are not novices. Bring the experienced players and adopt success to their attributes. Don't exclude them as if we have that luxury and don't insist on predetermined squarepegging in round holes.
How can we be out of foreign-based when smaller populated qualifiers are still reinforcing?
Anyone worth their salt can learn what we are playing.
Bear in mind, there is NO domestic football.
1. Not excluding no-one, but you must admit, the picking are at present slim. Do you have any sort of list of who of quality is playing at present ? Maybe we can assist TF in finding them.
2. True, but they might be confused to what that is, as we couch coaches are. And is not that we never kick lime.
Bear in mind, there is NO domestic football.
THIS 🤞🏾
Beyond that.....no domestic football for over a year.
We delude ourselves into thinking we have this abundance of football talent in T&T.
If that were truly the case, wouldnt others recognize it and sign them to contracts?
Theres a reason that other than Levi Garcia, not a single one of our players Under 23 have been picked up by an elite foreign club.
We don't, but Mexico in our region definitely seem to have more than us, how many Mexicans getting major leagues contracts (besides the neighbourly MLS).
This is mostly true, but we will always fight an up hill battle as what clubs in their right mind send scouts to our region? We've got a collective population similar to Argentina in the Caribbean but with significantly higher costs of travel, worse infrastructure, worse coaching coaching poor FAs. Our players often go abroad via the US, random agents, and optimistic flights abroad for a trial.
That I believe explains that. Is not like were constant finalist in regional tournaments. We do have a few, but I as a foreign manager, would quicker take a chance with a championship player from the region, unless we make a tour and discover a youth with potential and get him before he spoil (Yorke eg.). The rest have to try ah thing if they can afford it. Even Latapy had to go this route, if I'm not mistaken. Especially now, what ppl hearing bout in TT football. The infamous JW, DJW and eventual NC. Ppl have they own bacchanal to deal with. How many Columbians was getting call with their cartel business. Only now they outta the regular news, some managing to see a little way. Majority of big football SA still playing at home, mind you, they have longer and stronger organizations than us, and still hardly big work. We behind them in so many ways, and evrytime, someone have a vision to take us forward, they are embarrassed, removed or quit, and we ride on another hope to get us thru (it's how we have been). I hope one day that changes.
Oh really? Argentina has a population of 45 million.
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And the Caribbean?
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As for Mexico....the Mexican league is considered an elite foreign league. At least on par with MLS
The Mexican league is better than MLS.
Not to change topic. Just a story. I was in Mexico for a swim meet(Lilman).Next to the pool there was astro turf football field, baseball field and rugby field. There was organized football matches on that field from 9:00 am to 9:00 pm/ 5 days/ week. Fete-matches on Saturday and Sunday. No baseball, rugby nor cricket. I ask the pool security guy, how come. He explained during the day is night-shift workers league, from 3 to 6:30 is schools league, from 6:30 to 10:00( we left at 9) is men and women clubs league. Weekends is ole timers leagues. Although my leg was in a cast, he asked if I play this weekend if I wantto run. I think he meant if I used to play. I ask him if it have a cripples ole-timer serving beers on the side league. Point is they play football whole day everyday. At least in that town. We aint like that and probably never will be. As I think TF said, we have seasons. I said to myself hmmm. So when they running their big league better believe they experienced, knowledgeable and know wtf their endgame is. Oh this was Puerto Vallarta . Couldnt imagine what going up in that environment is. And still they aint make WC final yet.
Build it and they will come.
There are great pros who don't have a NFL or NBA ring or have never won a PL, FA, Scudetto etc.
Mexico has qualified for 16 WCs, 7 Round of 16 appearances and 2 appearances beyond the Ro16.
At U-17 level, 14 WC, 2 WC trophies, 2 x "silver medallists", 1 4th place. All of the "heavy lifting" in the last 20 years.
In which direction are they heading?
And, the Mexican league is a destination league not a retirement destination.
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And, the Mexican league is a destination league not a retirement destination.
The Mexican league maybe not be the best in the world, but it is the best in NA, and better than some in SA. It is the best organized league in the Concacaf and Conmebol put together.
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And, the Mexican league is a destination league not a retirement destination.
The Mexican league maybe not be the best in the world, but it is the best in NA, and better than some in SA. It is the best organized league in the Concacaf and Conmebol put together.
Like people forget Tigres reach de 2020 FIFA Club World Cup Final against Bayern. They only lost 1-0.
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Bear in mind, there is NO domestic football.
THIS 🤞🏾
Beyond that.....no domestic football for over a year.
We delude ourselves into thinking we have this abundance of football talent in T&T.
If that were truly the case, wouldnt others recognize it and sign them to contracts?
Theres a reason that other than Levi Garcia, not a single one of our players Under 23 have been picked up by an elite foreign club.
There is an abundance of talent locally, but why play in a catch ass league where you have the dictator as one of the big fish?
Where is the incentive to play local football? There is none, you cannot support your family. TT have too much talent and its going to waste because the govt, private sector and football admin is the worse thing ever...
No money, no support and plenty of fight down
Plus most of these local coaches cant identify talent properly ...
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Sometimes I wonder if/when Non TTians read this site, they might think TT and football is the worse ppl and attitudes in the world. I wont bother to grab quotes to show what causes me to think so. I know better, and I dont wish no noise or debate. Its just a thought.
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To your point, the players to be called are not novices. Bring the experienced players and adopt success to their attributes. Don't exclude them as if we have that luxury and don't insist on predetermined squarepegging in round holes.
How can we be out of foreign-based when smaller populated qualifiers are still reinforcing?
Anyone worth their salt can learn what we are playing.
Bear in mind, there is NO domestic football.
1. Not excluding no-one, but you must admit, the picking are at present slim. Do you have any sort of list of who of quality is playing at present ? Maybe we can assist TF in finding them.
2. True, but they might be confused to what that is, as we couch coaches are. And is not that we never kick lime.
Bear in mind, there is NO domestic football.
THIS 🤞🏾
Beyond that.....no domestic football for over a year.
We delude ourselves into thinking we have this abundance of football talent in T&T.
If that were truly the case, wouldnt others recognize it and sign them to contracts?
Theres a reason that other than Levi Garcia, not a single one of our players Under 23 have been picked up by an elite foreign club.
We don't, but Mexico in our region definitely seem to have more than us, how many Mexicans getting major leagues contracts (besides the neighbourly MLS).
This is mostly true, but we will always fight an up hill battle as what clubs in their right mind send scouts to our region? We've got a collective population similar to Argentina in the Caribbean but with significantly higher costs of travel, worse infrastructure, worse coaching coaching poor FAs. Our players often go abroad via the US, random agents, and optimistic flights abroad for a trial.
That I believe explains that. Is not like were constant finalist in regional tournaments. We do have a few, but I as a foreign manager, would quicker take a chance with a championship player from the region, unless we make a tour and discover a youth with potential and get him before he spoil (Yorke eg.). The rest have to try ah thing if they can afford it. Even Latapy had to go this route, if I'm not mistaken. Especially now, what ppl hearing bout in TT football. The infamous JW, DJW and eventual NC. Ppl have they own bacchanal to deal with. How many Columbians was getting call with their cartel business. Only now they outta the regular news, some managing to see a little way. Majority of big football SA still playing at home, mind you, they have longer and stronger organizations than us, and still hardly big work. We behind them in so many ways, and evrytime, someone have a vision to take us forward, they are embarrassed, removed or quit, and we ride on another hope to get us thru (it's how we have been). I hope one day that changes.
Oh really? Argentina has a population of 45 million.
Apologies for the lack of clarity - the population of the Caribbean is similar to Argentina, which was my overall point
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This is mostly true, but we will always fight an up hill battle as what clubs in their right mind send scouts to our region? We've got a collective population similar to Argentina in the Caribbean but with significantly higher costs of travel, worse infrastructure, worse coaching coaching poor FAs. Our players often go abroad via the US, random agents, and optimistic flights abroad for a trial.
Prior to the pandemic, scouts went everywhere. Besides....technology rendered much of that travel moot. If youre good.....word gets around. Teams are ALWAYS literally scouring the earth looking for talent. The Caribbean is no exception.
Were just not good enough. Which is interesting because Ive heard the perception is players from the Caribbean are athletic, strong, and quick. Characteristics they look for in modern football.
Competition is more stiff today than in Dwight Yorke days......and he was an anomaly.
Today de yute from Maloney Gardens in competition with yutes from Nigeria, Ghana, Japan, etc. Not easy.
As for Mexico....the Mexican league is considered an elite foreign league. At least on par with MLS
Scouts everywhere... but the Caribbean and Oceania. There's a reason it took so long for Joevin Jones and our other players to get discovered. Foreign scouts rarely visit.
Players typically get opportunities overseas through the small number of agents active in the region, or because some team has a Trini/Carib player and takes a chance on their recommendations. When we do well internationally also helps - Yohance Marshall stopping Leonel Messi from 8 yards helped kick off a spate of Central American transfers for example.
Technology hasn't helped us as so few of the FAs actuallly stream games, let alone get accurate stats. It's the biggest issue and one I highlighted 7 years ago (after attending a confidential briefing from Man City's scouting department as part of Football Manager) - the big clubs need that appearance/goals data to run through their software. We can't even get reliable lineups for our games. Global soccer Database have partnered with the National Super League and that has hleped immesurably, but the Pro League is still a total load of crap when it comes to that. How many games did Joevin play in 2012 for W Connection? I can find out how much some random player playing in the 7th tier of English football played in 2009, but we have basically no figures for our top flight.
And what good does that do us if no games are streamed or available to watch? No scouting software has access to our local games, so why would scouts spend several thousands of pounds on the off chance someone's decent here? Scouting in person is mostly the last stage - scouts will see a player in person between 2 and 8 times, but the head of scouting or someone who makes the final decision will see them only once. I'm telling you from personal experience and contacts in the game - it's bloody difficult to know if a Trini player is good or flattering to deceive from outside Trinidad.
I don't buy into the "athletic, strong ,quick" vibe, it's usually a cover for racist attitudes towards black players that have existed for decades. Any country can produce players with those attributes (just think about how many countries, mostly black-majority, this type of stereotype applies to), just check the athletics track - smacks of the old failures highlighed by "Moneyball". One of our advantages is that our youth are blooded in competitive football young and have some of the competitive drives that other nations sorely lack, but often this advantage tapers off as they get old. Unless players leave to get full-time professional coaching this potential dies on the vine, as has happened so many times (Ross Russel Jr., Cyrus, Joevin Jones and Devon Jorsling to an extent off the top of my head).
Competition from abroad would be a non-factor if our youth had a competitive game to develop in domestically, with full time coaches and a full-time job. Even without the English players, Jamaica has been better than us for years now and it's becoming embarassing just how much they have progressed despite the shit-show that their local FA is.
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This is mostly true, but we will always fight an up hill battle as what clubs in their right mind send scouts to our region? We've got a collective population similar to Argentina in the Caribbean but with significantly higher costs of travel, worse infrastructure, worse coaching coaching poor FAs. Our players often go abroad via the US, random agents, and optimistic flights abroad for a trial.
Prior to the pandemic, scouts went everywhere. Besides....technology rendered much of that travel moot. If youre good.....word gets around. Teams are ALWAYS literally scouring the earth looking for talent. The Caribbean is no exception.
Were just not good enough. Which is interesting because Ive heard the perception is players from the Caribbean are athletic, strong, and quick. Characteristics they look for in modern football.
Competition is more stiff today than in Dwight Yorke days......and he was an anomaly.
Today de yute from Maloney Gardens in competition with yutes from Nigeria, Ghana, Japan, etc. Not easy.
As for Mexico....the Mexican league is considered an elite foreign league. At least on par with MLS
Scouts everywhere... but the Caribbean and Oceania. There's a reason it took so long for Joevin Jones and our other players to get discovered. Foreign scouts rarely visit.
Players typically get opportunities overseas through the small number of agents active in the region, or because some team has a Trini/Carib player and takes a chance on their recommendations. When we do well internationally also helps - Yohance Marshall stopping Leonel Messi from 8 yards helped kick off a spate of Central American transfers for example.
Technology hasn't helped us as so few of the FAs actuallly stream games, let alone get accurate stats. It's the biggest issue and one I highlighted 7 years ago (after attending a confidential briefing from Man City's scouting department as part of Football Manager) - the big clubs need that appearance/goals data to run through their software. We can't even get reliable lineups for our games. Global soccer Database have partnered with the National Super League and that has hleped immesurably, but the Pro League is still a total load of crap when it comes to that. How many games did Joevin play in 2012 for W Connection? I can find out how much some random player playing in the 7th tier of English football played in 2009, but we have basically no figures for our top flight.
And what good does that do us if no games are streamed or available to watch? No scouting software has access to our local games, so why would scouts spend several thousands of pounds on the off chance someone's decent here? Scouting in person is mostly the last stage - scouts will see a player in person between 2 and 8 times, but the head of scouting or someone who makes the final decision will see them only once. I'm telling you from personal experience and contacts in the game - it's bloody difficult to know if a Trini player is good or flattering to deceive from outside Trinidad.
I don't buy into the "athletic, strong ,quick" vibe, it's usually a cover for racist attitudes towards black players that have existed for decades. Any country can produce players with those attributes (just think about how many countries, mostly black-majority, this type of stereotype applies to), just check the athletics track - smacks of the old failures highlighed by "Moneyball". One of our advantages is that our youth are blooded in competitive football young and have some of the competitive drives that other nations sorely lack, but often this advantage tapers off as they get old. Unless players leave to get full-time professional coaching this potential dies on the vine, as has happened so many times (Ross Russel Jr., Cyrus, Joevin Jones and Devon Jorsling to an extent off the top of my head).
Competition from abroad would be a non-factor if our youth had a competitive game to develop in domestically, with full time coaches and a full-time job. Even without the English players, Jamaica has been better than us for years now and it's becoming embarassing just how much they have progressed despite the shit-show that their local FA is.
Pro league was streaming games, I had a meeting I believe prior to 2006 to suggest it but the stats are not available nor any real database
But many great points here and a great post.. how can you scout players if you cant see them, my friend whos a scout in London was asking but really it was mainly word of mouth and he cant go by that...
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Sometimes I wonder if/when Non TTians read this site, they might think TT and football is the worse ppl and attitudes in the world. I wont bother to grab quotes to show what causes me to think so. I know better, and I dont wish no noise or debate. Its just a thought.
The truth hurts maxg, but we have squandered and undermined and thrown away many opportunities, destroyed careers and there is no unity
Plus they support sellouts on top of that that ruins our chances and local football
So per capita I would say yes its by far one of the worst in the world...
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Sometimes I wonder if/when Non TTians read this site, they might think TT and football is the worse ppl and attitudes in the world. I wont bother to grab quotes to show what causes me to think so. I know better, and I dont wish no noise or debate. Its just a thought.
The truth hurts maxg, but we have squandered and undermined and thrown away many opportunities, destroyed careers and there is no unity
Plus they support sellouts on top of that that ruins our chances and local football
So per capita I would say yes its by far one of the worst in the world...
I dont agree with your opinion at all. As again youre blaming and damning everyone in the society. I get the impression there is no one or system you would trust. However, what do you think would be best strategies to improve the seemingly hopeless situation you describe going forward ?
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Fenwick dating Gary Griffith's sister or some family member, hence the reason his son Gary Griffith III is on the team.
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Fenwick dating Gary Griffith's sister or some family member, hence the reason his son Gary Griffith III is on the team.
come nah man insider, everybody dun know is actually Gary ahready.
Seriously doh, its not the inside info we can use. We can use contracts is bogus as was signed by Wallace who was legally removed etc... just in case going forward we are not happy with his work. We can use NC doing the job properly and preparing for proper elected group to gradually take over administrative duties.
We cant use who he foopsin as long as the team not losing, doh matter.
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Pending passports, tight budget, and inactive players: Fenwicks WCQ challenge
By:Lasana Liburd (Wired868).
Trinidad and Tobago Mens National Senior Team head coach Terry Fenwick will have just four days to prepare his outfit for their next Qatar 2022 World Cup qualifying fixture, after the Fifa-appointed normalisation committee rejected his request for an eight-day overseas camp.
The Soca Warriors face the Bahamas in Nassau on 5 June before they tackle St Kitts and Nevis on 8 Junethe latter fixture is likely to be played in the Dominican Republic.
Both are must win games for Trinidad and Tobago, who trail St Kitts and Nevis by two points in Group F with two games remaining. Only the winner advances to the next phase of qualifying.
Fenwick, according to a well-placed source, asked the Robert Hadad-led normalisation committee to allow his team to assemble abroad from 26 May. The request was denied.
From Trinidad and Tobagos 23-man squad that faced Puerto Rico on 28 March, at least 12 players are unattached or inactive while another three players are in their post-season.
The unattached/inactive players are: Andre Boucaud, Michel Poon-Angeron, Duane Muckette, Willis Plaza, Jabari Mitchell, Marvin Phillip, Adrian Foncette, Radanfah Abu Bakr, Brent Sam, Marcus Joseph, Justin Garcia, and Judah Garcia. The players whose seasons have ended are: Levi Garcia, Daniel Phillips, and Robert Primus.
All 15 players should have been available for an early meet-up, along with the returning Alvin Jones and potential new England-bred and based call-ups, John Bostock, Ryan Inniss, Kurtis Cumberbatch, and Tristan Abrahams.
However, the normalisation committee insisted on the standard time frame of five days prior to kick off and have apparently scheduled the Warriors departure for 30 May instead. Wired868 understands that the administrators counter-argument was that Fenwick would still be without several North America and Europe-based players, and, as such, his proposed get-together was not cost-effective.
The local-based National Senior Team players have not trained since last Friday for fear that one infected person could contaminate the entire pool, with the mandatory 14-day quarantine period effectively ruling out any player or staff member who contracts the virus now.
Still, Fenwick is expected to select his final squad this weekend and hopes to have his picks tested and placed in a live-in bubble as early as possible.
The intention is to start a local camp from Monday 24 May, although the timeline might not be realistic as the Ministry of Health is struggling to provide prompt test results at presentdue to the ongoing Covid-19 spike.
There is believed to be some excitement within the staff at the potential return of Bostock. The former England national youth team player joined the Warriors in March 2016 for World Cup qualifiers against St Vincent and the Grenadines, but an administrative error by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) meant he was not properly registered in time.
Bostock has not returned to Trinidad since. However, Fenwick expects to finally have the midfielders services after a lengthy wooing period, spearheaded by assistant coach and former World Cup 2006 goalkeeper Kelvin Jack.
Bostock made 18 appearances for England League One outfit Doncaster Rovers this season, which is in the third tier of the English game. His last start was on 20 April, while he last featured as a late substitute on 1 May in a 2-1 away win against Rochdale AFC.
The tall, left-footer can play as a midfield anchor, the position currently occupied by Poon-Angeron, or take up one of the box-to-box assignments handled by captain Khaleem Hyland and Watford FC reserve player Daniel Phillips at present.
While the only thing that kept Bostock out of the squad was his own wavering commitment, the situation is different for Inniss, Abrahams, Cumberbatch, and Scotland-based attacker Rory McKenzie, who all need passports.
Inniss, a 25-year-old central defender and regular for League One team Charlton Athletic, and the 27-year-old McKenzie, who plays for struggling Scotland Premier League club Kilmarnock FC, were both in Fenwicks squad to play Canada in aborted friendlies on 27 and 30 March 2020.
Remarkably, 15 months later, they still do not have the necessary paperwork to represent Trinidad and Tobago.
Abrahams, a 22-year-old forward, represents mid-table League Two club Leyton Orient in the English fourth division. He made 14 appearances for Leyton Orient this season without scoring.
Cumberbatch, a 25-year-old midfielder, plays for Dover Athletic in the National League, which is a fifth tier semi-professional competition.
England has cancelled its non-professional leagues due to the Covid-19 pandemic and Cumberbatchs last competitive fixture appears to have been a 2-0 FA Cup defeat to Woking on 19 December 2020.
Fenwick was already dealt a blow when Columbus Crew midfielder Kevin Molino was ruled out of the upcoming qualifiers due to injury. Should the English coach stick with his squad from the last match windowalthough several players are currently inactiveor freshen up his roster with players he has barely seen in the flesh?
Wired868 understands that the United States-based quartet of Andre Fortune Jr, Ajani Fortune, Matthew Woo Ling and Shannon Gomez are in Fenwicks provisional squad, along with Keston Julien.
Julien, a buccaneering left back, plays in the Moldova top flight with FC Sheriff Tiraspol while Gomez, a right back, and the Fortune brothers, both midfielders, play in the United States second tier.
Woo Ling plays in USAs sixth tier, a semi-professional rung, with Miami United.
Woo Ling and the Fortunes represented Trinidad and Tobago in their 7-0 friendly loss to the United States on 31 January 2021, while Gomez was part of the Warriors training squad in the lead-up to that match.
Of course, the challenge of choosing from a pool that includes players either in their off-season, pre-season, or mid-season is a rite of passage for a Trinidad and Tobago Mens National Senior Team head coach. It was no different under former coach Stephen Hart.
And Fenwicks predecessor, Dennis Lawrence, also had the complication of not having an active local league in the build-up to the 2019 Concacaf Gold Cup.
Now, it is Fenwicks turn to find a solution. He might argue, though, that the normalisation committee has not made his job any easier.
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You know how this would make fenwick look ... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Lasana man
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https://www.youtube.com/v/UQj9yFKRPos
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You know how this would make fenwick look ... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Lasana man
Lasana licking his chops.
Hoping for some more bad news to twist and turn unfortunately
m not a huge fan of Terry in this role, but although Lasana has done some good investigative work over the years, his tone is mostly negative and critical at every turn.
This is even more the NC and DJW
and Im not a supported of any of the above if it pulls down the football. No allegiance to the bachanaal
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You know how this would make fenwick look ... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Lasana man
Lasana licking his chops.
Hoping for some more bad news to twist and turn unfortunately
m not a huge fan of Terry in this role, but although Lasana has done some good investigative work over the years, his tone is mostly negative and critical at every turn.
This is even more the NC and DJW
and Im not a supported of any of the above if it pulls down the football. No allegiance to the bachanaal
In bold: :applause:
Disagree with the analysis regarding Liburd. He reports not invents, not so?
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You know how this would make fenwick look ... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Lasana man
Lasana licking his chops.
Hoping for some more bad news to twist and turn unfortunately
m not a huge fan of Terry in this role, but although Lasana has done some good investigative work over the years, his tone is mostly negative and critical at every turn.
This is even more the NC and DJW
and Im not a supported of any of the above if it pulls down the football. No allegiance to the bachanaal
In bold: :applause:
Disagree with the analysis regarding Liburd. He reports not invents, not so?
I dont see how the above article paints a negative picture of Fenwick. On the contrary, I thought it was a exact reporting of the difficult situation he is unfortunately in and demonstrates the lack of control he has over the final outcomes. This is not just for Fenwick but all international coaches of small pool teams at the moment. More so, for the bigger fish teams of those small pools, whose best players are foreign. If ppl dont see that, then they dont understand the intricacies and dangers of COVID transmission and infection rates.
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https://www.youtube.com/v/UQj9yFKRPos
From these clips, it don't look like this saddis should be makin our national side...maybe Fenwick Youtube scouting googles sharper than mine :D
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https://www.youtube.com/v/UQj9yFKRPos
From these clips, it don't look like this saddis should be makin our national side...maybe Fenwick Youtube scouting googles sharper than mine :D
remember fenwick was bumping his gums about bringing in lots of new quality players we never knew who could play for us from the UK .. is only kurtis cumberbatch and tristian abrahams ? I hope not
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If you chupid enough to pay 20k us ah month then you go keepgetting ah heap of diaherra of the mouth from himwith no constipation.
Ent it have those among us that worship EPL and the bloke accent- ent it have those among us that feeel when men like TF talk they accent give them some kinda superior authority on football?
TTFA yuh reap what yuh sow
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If you chupid enough to pay 20k us ah month then you go keepgetting ah heap of diaherra of the mouth from himwith no constipation.
Ent it have those among us that worship EPL and the bloke accent- ent it have those among us that feeel when men like TF talk they accent give them some kinda superior authority on football?
TTFA yuh reap what yuh sow
Appps like yuh finally thaw out, AB. Was little worried too, with the licks allyuh just get with the Covid belt. Glad to hear you.
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If you chupid enough to pay 20k us ah month then you go keepgetting ah heap of diaherra of the mouth from himwith no constipation.
Ent it have those among us that worship EPL and the bloke accent- ent it have those among us that feeel when men like TF talk they accent give them some kinda superior authority on football?
TTFA yuh reap what yuh sow
Appps like yuh finally thaw out, AB. Was little worried too, with the licks allyuh just get with the Covid belt. Glad to hear you.
severe weather warning
Anticipated next three days of weather in high 30's
"Ole ole feeling hot hot hot "
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Where to bark
By Fazeer Mohammed (T&T Express)
So wait, Terry Fenwick is to blame for this?
That seems to be the general reaction in the aftermath of Saturday evenings goalless draw with the Bahamas in Nassau which ended this countrys Qatar 2022 World Cup qualifying campaign even before tomorrows final preliminary group game against St Kitts/Nevis.
Oh, and before everyone goes overboard with how humiliating it is for the Germany 2006 finalists to be eliminated by amateurs who had conceded 15 goals in their previous three group games, just slot this latest setback alongside finishing second to Guyana in the preliminary qualifying group for Brazil 2014 and losing a two-leg playoff with the Netherlands Antilles at the early stages of the journey towards Spain 1982.
Look, I was taken to the Queens Park Oval on Independence Day, 1976 to see essentially the same squad that had been robbed in Haiti in 1973 struggle to edge Barbados 1-0 after losing the first leg in Bridgetown 2-1 two weeks earlier.
For the record, they won a playoff 3-1 before having to go the same route with Suriname at the next stage, losing a playoff 3-2 in French Guiana after 1-1 and 2-2 scorelines in Paramaribo and the Oval.
Then, as now, accusing fingers pointed outwards when they should have been curled inwards. But as we see in the governments Saturday afternoon charades, rambling obfuscation with skeletal specifics works well here because no amount of rainfall is capable of replenishing soil rendered so toxic by a culture of corruption to such a degree that integrity and accountability cannot take root.
Lets stick with the preferred blame-Terry line though, at least for this paragraph. So I suppose he is responsible for the array of chancesfrom within the first five minutes to deep into stoppage time wasted by an assortment of players against the Bahamians. No doubt his tactics contributed to the increasing lethargy and posing on the ball as the game progressed.
And just in case the apparent hostility towards Fenwick has to do with him being white and foreign; did he hire himself? Were the improved financial terms of his contract (a source of much consternation when it came to light) surreptitiously cut-and-pasted in by him and then signed off by then Trinidad and Tobago Football Association president William Wallace?
We all like to make noise, except that it has become a national pastime to bark up the wrong tree because our egos are so fragile, our insecurities so concretised that honest assessment is an absolutely horrific concept.
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Where to bark
By Fazeer Mohammed (T&T Express)
So wait, Terry Fenwick is to blame for this?
That seems to be the general reaction in the aftermath of Saturday evenings goalless draw with the Bahamas in Nassau which ended this countrys Qatar 2022 World Cup qualifying campaign even before tomorrows final preliminary group game against St Kitts/Nevis.
Oh, and before everyone goes overboard with how humiliating it is for the Germany 2006 finalists to be eliminated by amateurs who had conceded 15 goals in their previous three group games, just slot this latest setback alongside finishing second to Guyana in the preliminary qualifying group for Brazil 2014 and losing a two-leg playoff with the Netherlands Antilles at the early stages of the journey towards Spain 1982.
Look, I was taken to the Queens Park Oval on Independence Day, 1976 to see essentially the same squad that had been robbed in Haiti in 1973 struggle to edge Barbados 1-0 after losing the first leg in Bridgetown 2-1 two weeks earlier.
For the record, they won a playoff 3-1 before having to go the same route with Suriname at the next stage, losing a playoff 3-2 in French Guiana after 1-1 and 2-2 scorelines in Paramaribo and the Oval.
Then, as now, accusing fingers pointed outwards when they should have been curled inwards. But as we see in the governments Saturday afternoon charades, rambling obfuscation with skeletal specifics works well here because no amount of rainfall is capable of replenishing soil rendered so toxic by a culture of corruption to such a degree that integrity and accountability cannot take root.
Lets stick with the preferred blame-Terry line though, at least for this paragraph. So I suppose he is responsible for the array of chancesfrom within the first five minutes to deep into stoppage time wasted by an assortment of players against the Bahamians. No doubt his tactics contributed to the increasing lethargy and posing on the ball as the game progressed.
And just in case the apparent hostility towards Fenwick has to do with him being white and foreign; did he hire himself? Were the improved financial terms of his contract (a source of much consternation when it came to light) surreptitiously cut-and-pasted in by him and then signed off by then Trinidad and Tobago Football Association president William Wallace?
We all like to make noise, except that it has become a national pastime to bark up the wrong tree because our egos are so fragile, our insecurities so concretised that honest assessment is an absolutely horrific concept.
Fazeer, players do what you let them do. But that is a separate issue from the profligacy in front of goal. If we really wanted to go into tomorrow vs St Kitts with something to play for we would have had an authoritative and vexing personality on the field. We didn't. Which player on the field held any teammate to account?
We are beyond the players. At least I am. Dahis too easy. Yet to see a post with a player's name called.
It is long-established that we have a legacy of failing at clutch moments but never to a team of this high school pedigree. No contrarian view or rewriting of coaching responsibility will successfully exalt the draw as the players' fault. Fenwick watched that train wreck unfold for 92 minutes and wasn't sure whether he was an innocent bystander, a culpable bystander to the wrong side of history or capable of rescuing any saving graces.
If we want to be ridiculous we could also blame Dave Sarachan. I'm betting he ain't too surprised by his counterpart's inability to triage the situation. Those first 60 minutes were not Fenwick's to squander, it was ours. Nor was it the players' but today is Fenwick time.
Some players are on a short leash with the end of the line in sight. It will pain them more than Fenwick who has been to a WC.
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Where to bark
By Fazeer Mohammed (T&T Express)
So wait, Terry Fenwick is to blame for this?
That seems to be the general reaction in the aftermath of Saturday evenings goalless draw with the Bahamas in Nassau which ended this countrys Qatar 2022 World Cup qualifying campaign even before tomorrows final preliminary group game against St Kitts/Nevis.
Oh, and before everyone goes overboard with how humiliating it is for the Germany 2006 finalists to be eliminated by amateurs who had conceded 15 goals in their previous three group games, just slot this latest setback alongside finishing second to Guyana in the preliminary qualifying group for Brazil 2014 and losing a two-leg playoff with the Netherlands Antilles at the early stages of the journey towards Spain 1982.
Look, I was taken to the Queens Park Oval on Independence Day, 1976 to see essentially the same squad that had been robbed in Haiti in 1973 struggle to edge Barbados 1-0 after losing the first leg in Bridgetown 2-1 two weeks earlier.
For the record, they won a playoff 3-1 before having to go the same route with Suriname at the next stage, losing a playoff 3-2 in French Guiana after 1-1 and 2-2 scorelines in Paramaribo and the Oval.
Then, as now, accusing fingers pointed outwards when they should have been curled inwards. But as we see in the governments Saturday afternoon charades, rambling obfuscation with skeletal specifics works well here because no amount of rainfall is capable of replenishing soil rendered so toxic by a culture of corruption to such a degree that integrity and accountability cannot take root.
Lets stick with the preferred blame-Terry line though, at least for this paragraph. So I suppose he is responsible for the array of chancesfrom within the first five minutes to deep into stoppage time wasted by an assortment of players against the Bahamians. No doubt his tactics contributed to the increasing lethargy and posing on the ball as the game progressed.
And just in case the apparent hostility towards Fenwick has to do with him being white and foreign; did he hire himself? Were the improved financial terms of his contract (a source of much consternation when it came to light) surreptitiously cut-and-pasted in by him and then signed off by then Trinidad and Tobago Football Association president William Wallace?
We all like to make noise, except that it has become a national pastime to bark up the wrong tree because our egos are so fragile, our insecurities so concretised that honest assessment is an absolutely horrific concept.
That Bajan team was the best ever team they had. About 8 of the starting team played for PanAm Wales, the top club in Bim. The BFA brought a German guy by the name of Fisher to coach the national team. The Bajan team even went germany for about 3 weeks. The BFA was putting out money to fund that team. Take it from me guys, that Bajan team was no push over. And Suriname was even better than them.
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Where to bark
By Fazeer Mohammed (T&T Express)
So wait, Terry Fenwick is to blame for this?
That seems to be the general reaction in the aftermath of Saturday evenings goalless draw with the Bahamas in Nassau which ended this countrys Qatar 2022 World Cup qualifying campaign even before tomorrows final preliminary group game against St Kitts/Nevis.
Oh, and before everyone goes overboard with how humiliating it is for the Germany 2006 finalists to be eliminated by amateurs who had conceded 15 goals in their previous three group games, just slot this latest setback alongside finishing second to Guyana in the preliminary qualifying group for Brazil 2014 and losing a two-leg playoff with the Netherlands Antilles at the early stages of the journey towards Spain 1982.
Look, I was taken to the Queens Park Oval on Independence Day, 1976 to see essentially the same squad that had been robbed in Haiti in 1973 struggle to edge Barbados 1-0 after losing the first leg in Bridgetown 2-1 two weeks earlier.
For the record, they won a playoff 3-1 before having to go the same route with Suriname at the next stage, losing a playoff 3-2 in French Guiana after 1-1 and 2-2 scorelines in Paramaribo and the Oval.
Then, as now, accusing fingers pointed outwards when they should have been curled inwards. But as we see in the governments Saturday afternoon charades, rambling obfuscation with skeletal specifics works well here because no amount of rainfall is capable of replenishing soil rendered so toxic by a culture of corruption to such a degree that integrity and accountability cannot take root.
Lets stick with the preferred blame-Terry line though, at least for this paragraph. So I suppose he is responsible for the array of chancesfrom within the first five minutes to deep into stoppage time wasted by an assortment of players against the Bahamians. No doubt his tactics contributed to the increasing lethargy and posing on the ball as the game progressed.
And just in case the apparent hostility towards Fenwick has to do with him being white and foreign; did he hire himself? Were the improved financial terms of his contract (a source of much consternation when it came to light) surreptitiously cut-and-pasted in by him and then signed off by then Trinidad and Tobago Football Association president William Wallace?
We all like to make noise, except that it has become a national pastime to bark up the wrong tree because our egos are so fragile, our insecurities so concretised that honest assessment is an absolutely horrific concept.
An informative article which serves to remind us that we have been down this road before. When e pectations arehigh andwhen the opposition is perceived to be ones we ought to do I ate then the ensuing reactions is filled with disappointment and outbursts of fury against anyone insight.
Let's say we had played Brazil instead of the Bahamas and held them to a0-0 draw the reaction would behoove different. When we oust USA from qualifications the reaction was different. When the stakes and expectations are high naturally you get the response that are targeted against a coach. I do t think ones ethnicity has anything to do with it as is suggested in the article - what we have seen from this coach at times is a bit of arrogance a mightier than thou and at times a stubbornness to adapt to opposition's style of play.
It was interesting listening to the first five minutes of his press conference after the Bahamas game- it was like a distancing from the team as he pointed out that TnT did not perform up to par- you would think that he would have said " we" failedand take some responsibility but there just seems to be a distancing and a lack of accepting that asacoach he may have considered doing some things differently. Granted coaches don't play the game but with preparing the team, devising a strategic plan , motivation. Inspiring players to perform and adjusting to the opposition are within his domain . Don't make it out that a coach is beyond reproach. Furthermore if this pattern of underachieving against lesser opposition is inour football DNAit'sti e we take a closer look at the impact of our football culture on our ability to achieve success.
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To be fair to Fenwick, I feel he made the mistake of thinking that the Bahamas game was going to be a cakewalk. He did not think scouting the opposition or reviewing their past performances was worth the time. Complacency
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To be fair to Fenwick, I feel he made the mistake of thinking that the Bahamas game was going to be a cakewalk. He did not think scouting the opposition or reviewing their past performances was worth the time. Complacency
He in town too long to make mistake. From the first and especially the 2nd game he should have known that his team eh all that.
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To be fair to Fenwick, I feel he made the mistake of thinking that the Bahamas game was going to be a cakewalk. He did not think scouting the opposition or reviewing their past performances was worth the time. Complacency
He in town too long to make mistake. From the first and especially the 2nd game he should have known that his team eh all that.
oh my goodness people for the last time the Bahamas played for a draw! why dont you all go back and watch the game, their midfield was flooded with bodies and played a flat five man back line. they played deep into their half all game long and did not commit bodies forward, a classic case of parking the bus if Ive ever seen it. they did not come to play but instead save face, and theres not much you could do about those circumstances other than take your chances well, and we didnt.
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To be fair to Fenwick, I feel he made the mistake of thinking that the Bahamas game was going to be a cakewalk. He did not think scouting the opposition or reviewing their past performances was worth the time. Complacency
He in town too long to make mistake. From the first and especially the 2nd game he should have known that his team eh all that.
Not to mention, someone in the mix had to have it least seen the match highlights. A few minutes of that and you shouldn't be rudderless or clueless. How much specific preparation for Anguilla would Tappa have to dedicate if Jamaica was up against them? You play your best match and make sure your players are motivated to "done dem" early and frequently. Especially since there's no luxury of a home and away series.
It was a cakewalk. We walked and left de cake for SKN. The match for a return to dignity was the crumbs from the table.
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To be fair to Fenwick, I feel he made the mistake of thinking that the Bahamas game was going to be a cakewalk. He did not think scouting the opposition or reviewing their past performances was worth the time. Complacency
He in town too long to make mistake. From the first and especially the 2nd game he should have known that his team eh all that.
oh my goodness people for the last time the Bahamas played for a draw! why dont you all go back and watch the game, their midfield was flooded with bodies and played a flat five man back line. they played deep into their half all game long and did not commit bodies forward, a classic case of parking the bus if Ive ever seen it. they did not come to play but instead save face, and theres not much you could do about those circumstances other than take your chances well, and we didnt.
From WHEN in de match? At the point when they realized we were harmless?
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To be fair to Fenwick, I feel he made the mistake of thinking that the Bahamas game was going to be a cakewalk. He did not think scouting the opposition or reviewing their past performances was worth the time. Complacency
He in town too long to make mistake. From the first and especially the 2nd game he should have known that his team eh all that.
oh my goodness people for the last time the Bahamas played for a draw! why dont you all go back and watch the game, their midfield was flooded with bodies and played a flat five man back line. they played deep into their half all game long and did not commit bodies forward, a classic case of parking the bus if Ive ever seen it. they did not come to play but instead save face, and theres not much you could do about those circumstances other than take your chances well, and we didnt.
From WHEN in de match? At the point when they realized we were harmless?
sure harmless and they already had 4 trys on their goal. I dont think you understand the concept of parking the bus, but just allow me to elaborate. that was a favored tactic in English football during FA and carling cup fixtures where the teams in the lower tiers were matched against stronger teams in a higher division who would flood the midfield and create a defensive wall giving up possession to the stronger team, Ive seen this quite a few times and the purpose is not only to block goal access, it also serves to frustrate the stronger team into forcing errors.
I bet you anything that if the Bahamas came to play just like guyana, PR and even st kitts we would have given them an even bigger beating, those Bahamians was on a mission not to lose and they put all their effort into accomplishing that. but I digress, youre a very hard sell mate so believe what you want, Im through trying to explain myself.
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You have seen the park the bus strategy quite a few times as some of us have. What has been the most final results ? Draws, wins or losses ? In my experience and observations, its losses, it mostly restrict the amount of goals scored. Maybe different in what you may have observed in lower English leagues.
Secondly, with your experience and observations, what is the strategy(ies) used to counter the park the bus scenario. ? Your personal opinion would be welcomed. As a past coach mine would be to attack the weakest panels of the bus. I imagine you would know how this is done or have an idea how you would have a team do it, given the amount of times you have seen it.
So how could a ex-WC player and long time experienced coach not have an idea or ability to adjust his charges to do what is required, even if they are unable to determine themselves what needs to be done. I propose that is because this coach over the years main strategy is head-butting any obstacles in his way, when sometimes what is required is a cool head and appropriate adjustments.
Moving forward, water under the bridge, lets see what adjustments are made for our next competition.
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pull stones, the difficulty you are having is not distinguishing between (a) playing to minimize conceding a huge number of goals and (b) playing for a draw.
Teams playing for a draw - especially a scoreless one - tend to decline attacking situations in the opponent's half. Perhaps you noticed that was not the circumstance on Tuesday. When did that circumstance arise?
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TEAM Bahamas suffered a 4-0 loss at home to St Kitts and Nevis in round one, Group F of the FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 Qualifiers.
Keithroy Freeman led the scoring with his brace to lead the visitors to their second win of the current qualifying stage at the Thomas A Robinson Stadium on Saturday night.
Freemans first goal opened the scoring in the games 25th minute. Kimaree Rogers gave his team a 2-0 average at 53 followed by Freemans second goal at 65. Late substitute Omari Sterling-James scored the games final goal at 82. (NB: SECOND HALF GOALS! my emphasis)
St Kitts and Nevis now lead Group F at 2-0 with six points.
It was a major result because we have six points now, three points against Puerto Rico and then three points against The Bahamas. Five goals scored and no goals against. It was also two games away because it was so it was very important. Our formation was 4-4-2 without the ball, medium block. The first 50 minutes we just waited on the mistake, after 50 minutes we allowed the team to start the pressure, said St Kitts and Nevis coach Leonardo Neiva.
Because of the restrictions of COVID in St Kitts, we were not able to do international friendly games so our preparation process was very difficult. That is also why it was satisfying because we believe that we can go forward. After we quarantine we will refresh and continue moving forward for those two matchups against Guyana and Trinidad and Tobago.
Neiva said one of his teams main point of coaching emphasis was to limit Bahamian striker Lesly St. Fleur, who he previously coached as a member of Montego Bay United in the Jamaican National Premier League.
I know the Bahamas because I studied so many videos of Bahamas before and I coached St. Fleur in Jamaica in 2015-16, Neiva said, I know hes a skillful and fast player so we had to protect ourselves.
It will be a short turnaround for team Bahamas as they travel to face Guyana tomorrow in Santo Domingo, The Dominican Republic tomorrow at 3pm at Felix Sanchez Olympic Stadium.
Its an adjustment we have to make, we have great players we just have to execute, St. Fleur said, I have faith in the team. We just have to go back to the drawing board and correct the mistakes we made. I believe in the players we just have to go out there.
Guyana also lost their first match in Group F play, a 3-0 result against Trinidad and Tobago.
Come Tuesday, we should be able to come out with a better result, just play hard, St. Fleur said, I know they are going to bring a good team down. Its going to be a challenge but we will work. Once we step on the pitch anything can happen. We just have to be prepared.
Despite the opening loss, players like Elijah Mitchell were able to get their first cap as a senior mens national team player.
It is always a pleasure to represent the national team at any level, he said, I got to play the last 15 minutes of the game and although it was difficult it was a moment I will cherish for the rest of my life.
http://www.tribune242.com/news/2021/mar/29/bahamas-endures-4-0-loss-st-kitts-and-nevis-home/
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TEAM Bahamas suffered their second consecutive shutout loss in the current group stage of the FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 Qualifiers.
Guyana blanked The Bahamas 4-0 Tuesday night at the Felix Sanchez Olympic Stadium in Santiago, Dominican Republic.
It was the first World Cup qualifier win for Guyana since November 2011.
Terence Vancooten opened the scoring after eight minutes, but the goal spree came in the second half when Kadell Daniel, substitute Omari Glasgow and Emery Welshman delivered the final margin.
The Bahamas is the lone team in Group F without a point. They are currently in fifth position at 0-2 with a -8 goal differential following last weeks 4-0 loss at home to St Kitts and Nevis.
St Kitts and Nevis lead Group F at 2-0 (six points), Trinidad and Tobago is 1-1 (four points), Guyana is also 1-1 (three points) and Puerto Rico is fourth at 0-1-1 (one point).
The winner of the group will advance to the next round.
Team Bahamas will take to the pitch again on June 2 when they travel to face Puerto Rico, followed by a home game against Trinidad and Tobago on June 6 at the Thomas A Robinson National Stadium.
http://www.tribune242.com/news/2021/apr/01/bahamas-soccer-suffers-2nd-straight-shutout-loss/
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You have seen the park the bus strategy quite a few times as some of us have. What has been the most final results ? Draws, wins or losses ? In my experience and observations, its losses, it mostly restrict the amount of goals scored. Maybe different in what you may have observed in lower English leagues.
Secondly, with your experience and observations, what is the strategy(ies) used to counter the park the bus scenario. ? Your personal opinion would be welcomed. As a past coach mine would be to attack the weakest panels of the bus. I imagine you would know how this is done or have an idea how you would have a team do it, given the amount of times you have seen it.
So how could a ex-WC player and long time experienced coach not have an idea or ability to adjust his charges to do what is required, even if they are unable to determine themselves what needs to be done. I propose that is because this coach over the years main strategy is head-butting any obstacles in his way, when sometimes what is required is a cool head and appropriate adjustments.
Moving forward, water under the bridge, lets see what adjustments are made for our next competition.
Thank you. Pull stones thinks that this Bahamian "park the bus" strategy is some kind of formidable force that once it is implemented, then that's it. . no team can penetrate and move that bus. .
If the Bahamians park the bus strategy was that omnipotent, they wouldnt have lose by 7 to PR. They would have parked the bus after 4 goals.. as there is no way they coming back after conceding 4 goals.
Fenwick did not do his homework for the BAH game. He was complacent thinking that the team will walk through BAH. He did not set up the team based on the event BAH parked the bus. Like maxg said, with Fenwick's experience playing as a defender, his access to professionals players and his coaching, means that he should be able to handle the park bus strategy. Especially if it is from a team like BAH who had players working for Sandals and Royalton pt and ft. Pull stones, do you still think a park the bus strategy coming from a team of hotel boys is what really cost us the BAH game?
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Team Bahamas was blanked for the third consecutive match in the opening round of FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 Qualifiers for the CONCACAF region.
The Bahamas suffered a 7-0 loss to Puerto Rico last night at the Mayaguez Athletics Stadium in Mayaguez, Puerto Rico.
The hosts posted their first score of the match just three minutes in, on a goal from Gerald Diaz.
Ricardo Rivera scored at 13 followed by Isaac Angking at 31.
Rivera sent his side into the half with a 4-0 lead when he successfully converted a penalty kick.
In the second period, Devin Vega (62) scored, followed by late game substitution Jaden Servanias goal at 66 and Nicolas Cardona capped the scoring with his goal in stoppage time.
Puerto Rico is a very good team, they were well organised, well led, and tactically caused a lot of problems in the midfield. They did a really good job of moving, really good job of just getting into the defence and making us make decisions.
At the end of the day, as a defender, I didnt do the best job that I could, but they did a really good job of causing problems. As a result, they blew goals by us early and just kept going, said team captain Dylan Pritchard. There are positives that we can take from it, but definitely a lot to learn.
The Bahamas will return home to host Trinidad and Tobago on Saturday afternoon at the Thomas A Robinson National Stadium. That match is scheduled for 5pm.
Unfortunately, we gave up two early goals, put our backs against the wall and it was pretty much an uphill fight from there, coach Kevin Davies said. My boys, they hung in there, I think they gave it their all, they left everything on the field, they fought to the end, they never gave up but unfortunately, the result is the result.
The Bahamas remains the lone team in Group F without a point. They are currently 0-3 with a -15 goal differential.
Team Bahamas opened Group F play with a 4-0 loss at home to St Kitts and Nevis on March 27 at the Thomas A Robinson Stadium.
Three days later, The Bahamas suffered their second consecutive shutout loss in the current group stage with a 4-0 loss to Guyana at Felix Sanchez Olympic Stadium in Santiago, The Dominican Republic.
St Kitts and Nevis leads the group with a 2-0 win/loss record, scoring six points. Trinidad and Tobago has four points after recording a win and a loss, Guyana has three points thus far, Puerto Rico now has four points after a win, a draw and a loss.
The Qatar 2022 qualification process features three rounds. The First Round (30 teams) will feature CONCACAF teams ranked 6-35 based on the FIFA/Coca-Cola rankings. Groups will compete in a single round robin format.
Each team will play every other team in their group once, playing a total of four matches - two home and two away.
At the end of the first round the six group winners will progress to the second round. The second round (six teams) will be played between the group winners from the first round in a home-and-away direct elimination format.
http://www.tribune242.com/news/2021/jun/03/mens-national-soccer-team-loses-puerto-rico-7-0/
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THE Bahamas received their first point in the FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 Qualifiers and simultaneously eliminated a CONCACAF powerhouse from contention.
The senior mens national team played Trinidad and Tobago to a scoreless draw at the Thomas A Robinson Stadium on Saturday.
The Bahamas completed the group stage with an 0-3-1 record, currently fifth in Group F while Trinidad and Tobago is 1-0-2.
St Kitts and Nevis will advance as the top team in Group F with their finale against Trinidad and Tobago next week now taking on less importance due to Saturdays result.
We just kept preaching a positive message, giving them confidence through positivity, taking everything one step at a time, not to force it, relax and play the game and the result would come, said Team Bahamas coach Kevin Davies.
It came from pressure, hustle and fight and some of the balls started to bounce our way. Its a great confidence booster headed into the Gold Cup and it started with our goalkeeper. After he made a few saves, the more he denied Trinidad, without a doubt it gave the guys confidence that they could play with a team at that level.
Trinidad and Tobago, who last qualified for the World Cup in 2006 in Germany, came in as the heavy favourite but The Bahamas delivered a spirited performance, highlighted by 18-year-old keeper Ian Lowe.
We knew coming into this Trinidad and Tobago game that they were the better team, but we did not let that get to us. We stayed mentally switched on long before the game started. We played our hearts out til the final whistle. Words cant even describe how happy we were. Lets just say the locker room got really loud.
This game will go down in the Bahamas soccer history book for sure and I am happy that I was able to represent my country, Lowe said.
There were several times that Trinidad and Tobago had chances but unfortunately on their part they were not able to put them away. After the half we realised that we can do this. The first save I had definitely was a boost of confidence to motivate me to keep pushing and keep pushing my teammates.
Team Bahamas opened the qualifiers with a 4-0 loss at home to St Kitts and Nevis.
They suffered their second consecutive loss when they were blanked by Guyana at the Felix Sanchez Olympic Stadium in Santiago, The Dominican Republic.
In game three The Bahamas suffered a 7-0 loss to Puerto Rico at the Mayaguez Athletics Stadium in Mayaguez, Puerto Rico.
Well getting beaten 7-0 in Puerto Rico was definitely a bummer, they were able to exploit us very quickly in the game, Lowe said. After that hard loss we kept our heads up and learned from those mistakes.
Lowe played in just his fourth international and will be attending Olivet Nazarene University in Bourbonnais, Illinois.
Trinidad and Tobago head coach, Terry Fenwick, credit The Bahamas effort but admitted his team
Ive got to hand it to The Bahamas, they had a gameplan they dug in deep, they wore their hearts on their sleeve, they fought for every ball and they grinded out a result, every disappointing for us at Trinidad and Tobago. We squandered multiple chances and with the quality players we have got with this squad - this is a big disappointment, he said, Did not give away chances really, created possibly six, seven, eight chances and if you dont score at this level, teams will come back and bite you, and I thought thats what they did. The Bahamas showed a lot of pride and passion, played for their country and the chances that we missed I think were glaring.
The Qatar 2022 qualification process features three rounds. The First Round (30 teams) will feature CONCACAF teams ranked 6-35 based on the FIFA/Coca-Cola rankings. Groups will compete in a single round robin format. Each team will play every other team in their group once, playing a total of four matches; two home and two away.
At the end of the first round the six group winners will progress to the second round. The second round (six teams) will be played between the group winners from the first round in a home and away in a direct elimination format.
http://www.tribune242.com/news/2021/jun/07/mens-national-soccer-team-scoreless-draw-tt/
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You have seen the park the bus strategy quite a few times as some of us have. What has been the most final results ? Draws, wins or losses ? In my experience and observations, its losses, it mostly restrict the amount of goals scored. Maybe different in what you may have observed in lower English leagues.
Secondly, with your experience and observations, what is the strategy(ies) used to counter the park the bus scenario. ? Your personal opinion would be welcomed. As a past coach mine would be to attack the weakest panels of the bus. I imagine you would know how this is done or have an idea how you would have a team do it, given the amount of times you have seen it.
So how could a ex-WC player and long time experienced coach not have an idea or ability to adjust his charges to do what is required, even if they are unable to determine themselves what needs to be done. I propose that is because this coach over the years main strategy is head-butting any obstacles in his way, when sometimes what is required is a cool head and appropriate adjustments.
Moving forward, water under the bridge, lets see what adjustments are made for our next competition.
Thank you. Pull stones thinks that this Bahamian "park the bus" strategy is some kind of formidable force that once it is implemented, then that's it. . no team can penetrate and move that bus. .
If the Bahamians park the bus strategy was that omnipotent, they wouldnt have lose by 7 to PR. They would have parked the bus after 4 goals.. as there is no way they coming back after conceding 4 goals.
Fenwick did not do his homework for the BAH game. He was complacent thinking that the team will walk through BAH. He did not set up the team based on the event BAH parked the bus. Like maxg said, with Fenwick's experience playing as a defender, his access to professionals players and his coaching, means that he should be able to handle the park bus strategy. Especially if it is from a team like BAH who had players working for Sandals and Royalton pt and ft. Pull stones, do you still think a park the bus strategy coming from a team of hotel boys is what really cost us the BAH game?
if he does think so, then hes acknowledging the weaknesses of the coach. As you so rightly implied, this wasnt Chelsea or Italy Ntl team players operating a ptb strategy. These were not the best defenders in the world. They obviously had no real experience or success at it, in previous games. They manage to get it perfect against us ?
As seeker also pointed out, they also on couple occasions caused our goalie to make saves and had a couple shots. Not the usual ptb strategy. So is that what confused TF. He was busting his head ( head butt joke) on wondering if they parking the bus or not..so meanwhile what were the instructions.. from my lil tv screen , looked like his previous strategy - Come on Lads ! . But of course Im wrong cause there had to be more.. whatever it was doh, it wasnt working the longer the game went..and obviously we ran out of time, before a necessary single goal could be produced.
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@maxg exactly his strategy was " come on lads..."
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GOP there's a reason why they call it "park the bus". it's a strategy to stymy the attack, and not meant to be fool proof or a formidable strategy, it is often implemented to stop the bleeding not kill the attack entirely. BTW the players had about 7 chances to score and they blew it, so who's fault is that.....terry's?
you trini fans always cry on the coaches when the team bust out of a competition and call for their dismissal at the slightest bit of disappointment, but does the coach have to put the ball in the back of the net and defend for 90 minutes? i see everyone and their brother's calling for terry's head, but no one is putting the blame where it truly belongs, and that's on the shoulders of the ineptitude of the football body in TT, from the federation presidents past and present to the stake holders and league managers.
terry actually did right by the team, he picked the best players that were available, he coached the locals with what little he had at his disposal, he wasn't out there crying for his salary, he was very patient with the fifa debacle last year which held up a lot of the teams progression, and too top it off the league has been suspended for two years now, so what is it that you all want from the man?
he didn't tell jovin to not give ah dam in a must win game. imagine our best player out there walking on the field like he could care less, and you all expect great results with that kind of mentality, you all not paying attention or what?
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Time to do the honourable thing Terry Fenwick
By Andre Baptiste (T&T Guardian)
When Trinidad and Tobago thought they could at least smile after Saturday's coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic Ministry of Health Press Conference, things got worst. Not because of what was said, but what came after.
With further restrictions in place on Weekends going forward, from Sunday. This Saturday afternoon into the night should have been one full of smiles, laughter, happiness, the usual banter among sports enthusiasts with anticipation for yesterday's (Tuesday 8th June) showdown with St Kitts & Nevis which is dubbed the Sugar Boyz.
However by 6.51 pm on Saturday, many were left speechless or dumbfounded by what had transpired between 5 pm mayhem.
If you are still wondering what, I am speaking of, then you are a lucky soul, that you did not have to endure watching the football match, between Trinidad and Tobago and the Bahamas and what had unfolded.
Bahamas lost their three previous World Cup qualification matches (7-0 to Puerto Rico, 4-0 to Guyana and 4-0 to St Kitts and Nevis) but managed with the aid of a purposefully lethargic T&T football team to draw 0-0 and end all dreams of qualifying for the Qatar World Cup in 2022.
I have three quick questions:
Was there ever a plan, Terry?
Was there a Plan B if Plan A failed, Terry?
What was the strategy, Terry?
What happened to many of the locally-based players who were training for over six months?
In all of this, just as in the previous matches, we must find out what sort of ideas arose at halftime in the T&T's dressing room, as we witnessed only one change, immediately after the interval. This may have suggested that to everyone else other than approximately 1.3 million citizens, everything was going to plan according to the management team.
Perhaps the main question is, should we have been surprised by all of this? the score lines, the pattern of play, the formations, the style of play, the general environment of the team, the Bahamas parking the bus and eventually the final result.
In William Shakespeares Hamlet to be or not to be, that is the question", has now become more relevant than ever in T&Ts football.
Those that wanted Terrence Fenwick, as national coach, since over 18 months ago whether they are named William (Not Shakespeare), Keith (Not Brutus), Lasana (Not Lady Macbeth), Colin (Not Prospero) or Allan (Not Shylock), may all be planning exit clauses, but in the minds of many, it would certainly be too late, if indeed their support was fulsome and true.
Football in this country has always encapsulated controversy, and negativity but we never witnessed the level of animosity, diatribe and total abundance of hatred and divisiveness, a lot of it attributed to social media links, where identities are generally hidden.
Many have recommended a new beginning, but how will that work, if the atmosphere, which has been described as uneasy, unfriendly and downright fistful by those, closest to the players, is allowed to permeate.
There is in history, many versions of settings, that suggest, - no time is ever good enough or bad, for change - It is the events that follow the change which is critical to any progress or improvement, and therein is the default. In this beautiful twin-island republic, we have heard many promises become pipe dreams never to be fulfilled, because of hunger for power.
Trust is going to be critical going forward, and therefore what needs to happen, is that coaches, players and other officials need to work with the T&T Football Association (TTFA) management team to ensure, that there is League Football of some kind when the sport is allowed back on the field of play.
As many turn their collective tournament direction focus onto the Gold Cup in the USA, let us hope that a plan is not only hatched but implemented for local youth football, between Secondary School league and any new Unified league.
The fact is, that since the arrival of Fenwick our football has been further divided.
Fenwick has found out, that being a national coach is not as easy as he may have believed and in these circumstances, he has found himself, caught with his pants on fire at ever turn.
While there is little doubt that several of our players underperformed and look clueless at times, the buck begins and ends with the coach Fenwick.
Unless he can prove, that he can perform miracles with the same players, then he should do the noble deed, and offer his resignation, if not, then there would be no alternative for the Normalosation Committee to terminate his services in the current environment.
And yes it will be costly, but no more, than the loss of confidence from players, the public and potential sponsors in the team, notwithstanding there is a raging school of thought that Fenwick has already lost the dressing room and when that happens is time to press the reset button.
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News just in FENWICK, KING AND JACK FIRED ANGUS EVE NEW HEAD COACH ASSISTED BY KENWYNE JONES.
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Aye Pull stones. I go like to see Bahamas play Brazil. According to you, once the Bahamians park that bus, and they put fat boy who does cook in the hotel on Neymar, well know dais it for Brazil...
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News just in FENWICK, KING AND JACK FIRED ANGUS EVE NEW HEAD COACH ASSISTED BY KENWYNE JONES.
Juss so? :D KJ turn coach yes
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News just in FENWICK, KING AND JACK FIRED ANGUS EVE NEW HEAD COACH ASSISTED BY KENWYNE JONES.
Any confirmation?
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News just in FENWICK, KING AND JACK FIRED ANGUS EVE NEW HEAD COACH ASSISTED BY KENWYNE JONES.
Juss so? :D KJ turn coach yes
counter productive. what has angus eve done to merit a coaching gig, this guy failed at the under 15 and under 23 but he's coach again, boy these people in trinidad madder than cat shit yes, they're going backwards with this big mouth boy again.
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News just in FENWICK, KING AND JACK FIRED ANGUS EVE NEW HEAD COACH ASSISTED BY KENWYNE JONES.
Juss so? :D KJ turn coach yes
counter productive. what has angus eve done to merit a coaching gig, this guy failed at the under 15 and under 23 but he's coach again, boy these people in trinidad madder than cat shit yes, they're going backwards with this big mouth boy again.
In my view, he's the last in the queue of those who were waiting in the wings (other than King). However this ends, you won't have to worry about the thrust of your concerns after this in terms of the local coaching fraternity. I suspect this marks an inflexion point of sorts or a sea-change in coaching selections going forward.
Eve followed by Fenwick or Fenwick followed by Eve always seemed to be possibly on the cards based on historical sentiment regarding contenders for the job. Ah bet Angus happy now he didn't get the women's team job. :devil:
At this stage King might be rethinking the cost of acquiescence ... or of being between a rock and a hard place. Of coaches on the ground, he's the best positioned to make coin outside T&T. He'll eventually get a crack at the NT gig again.
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counter productive. what has angus eve done to merit a coaching gig, this guy failed at the under 15 and under 23 but he's coach again, boy these people in trinidad madder than cat shit yes, they're going backwards with this big mouth boy again.
You're all over the place. You were hours ago VIGOROUSLY celebrating excusing Fenwick's failure with inane references to Scolari and Klinsmann and now you raise the question above? At least be consistent.
If you had to fire Fenwick, who would you hire?
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News just in FENWICK, KING AND JACK FIRED ANGUS EVE NEW HEAD COACH ASSISTED BY KENWYNE JONES.
Juss so? :D KJ turn coach yes
Is this his first gig?
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News just in FENWICK, KING AND JACK FIRED ANGUS EVE NEW HEAD COACH ASSISTED BY KENWYNE JONES.
Juss so? :D KJ turn coach yes
Is this his first gig?
does kenwyne jone have his badges ?
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https://youtu.be/e1lyNt5km8U or Treasure of the Sierra Madre... either way, still dont have final confirmation... so far, reading that King and Jack are definite casualties ( even if undeserved, cant wait to hear those stories). After Fenwick meets, we might even find out it was all their fault. ::)
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News just in FENWICK, KING AND JACK FIRED ANGUS EVE NEW HEAD COACH ASSISTED BY KENWYNE JONES.
Any confirmation?
Closest I could find (https://wired868.com/2021/06/10/fenwick-on-the-brink-after-world-cup-flop-nc-set-to-clear-out-soca-warriors-coaching-staff/)
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Since TF is being paid anyway ( if contract has to be honoured), can he be re-assigned ? He he doesnt accept and resigns, then doesnt that make the contract null and void ? Guess its a question for a sport legal team.
Re-assignment could be to technical director department or national scouting, not like its cleaning the toilets ( although thats maybe a more essential and somewhat important job as well).
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It appears fenwick and jack chose to resign , while king was fired ! Yet to be fully confirmed .
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Aye Pull stones. I go like to see Bahamas play Brazil. According to you, once the Bahamians park that bus, and they put fat boy who does cook in the hotel on Neymar, well know dais it for Brazil...
thats not a good look GOP I thought you were a gentleman and a reasonable person hence the reason I engaged you, so whats with the trini pecong bacchanal twist, you think you know this game better than me? every man is entitled to his opinion regardless of how ridiculous it might sound. so we disagree on the Bahamas fiasco and thats fine, in retrospect we could agree to disagree and still remain respectful. IMO its part of what makes Homo sapiens a remarkable specie, after all, humanity would lose its flavor if everyone agreed on everything all the time, but at least when we differ could we be respectful?
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It appears fenwick and jack chose to resign , while king was fired ! Yet to be fully confirmed .
just when we got the ball rolling this happens, now tell me who gains from this? another big blasted plaster on a gaping chop wound when they should be performing surgery to close that wound. now theyre gonna hire a falling coach, a man who failed three times at national youth level.
you people are very poisonous and primordial and I must find a way to ween myself away from anything trinidadian. this country is a failed state because of the entitled spoiled mentality of its people especially in sports and politics. no wonder steven hart wont even comment on the state of affairs surrounding TT football, and hes damn right, stay miles away from these people and their foolishness if you can, its not worth the effort.
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Nah stones how yuh go do we that by weening away yuhself from we ! Champ stay de course yuh cyar leave just so , matter of fact yuh ain't going no way ! Yuh like de bacchannal yuhself ain't ? :)
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Fenwick mum on firing rumours but says: I'm not resigning.
By Stephon Nicholas (T&T Newsday).
With reporting by Joel Bailey
Englishman Terry Fenwick and his coaching staff are expected to pay the ultimate price for Trinidad and Tobago's failed 2022 FIFA World Cup campaign.
According to a TT Football Association source, Fenwick and assistant coaches Kelvin Jack and Derek King managed their last game together as the FIFA-appointed normalisation committee has decided to axe the trio.
Normalisation committee head Robert Hadad was asked around 9pm on Thursday, on WhatsApp, about the coaching shake-up. He read the questions but did not comment.
But in an interview with Newsday on Friday, Fenwick did not confirm or deny that he received a termination letter. He did acknowledge having a meeting with the normalisation committee later today.
However, he made it clear that resigning was out of the question given his undefeated record in competitive football at the helm.
Fenwick failed to get T&T past the first round of Concacaf qualifying after an embarrassing 0-0 draw with Bahamas.
T&T (two wins and two draws) finished second in Group F behind St Kitts. Only the group winner advances to the next round.
Fenwick, whose two-year, US$20,000 per month contract ends in January 2022, has had a tumultuous time in charge of the national team. The covid19 pandemic and chaotic TTFA administration made life difficult, and he did himself no favours with an unnecessary clash with his media officer, confusing team selections and poor results when it counted.
His overall record is two wins, two draws and one defeat. The defeat came in Fenwick's coaching debut - a 7-0 drubbing to USA in a friendly international in January this year.
The TTFA will need to sort out the head coaching position soon with Gold Cup qualifiers on the horizon.
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Fenwick, Jack resigned?
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian).
T&T is now in search of a head coach for the senior men's national football team, following rumours that national coach, Englishman Terry Fenwick and his goalkeeper coach Kelvin Jack have resigned in the wake of the team's failure to get out of the Concacaf qualifying group stages for the 2022 Qatar FIFA World Cup.
The Soca Warriors were held to a goalless draw by regional minnows Bahamas, and also drew 1-1 with Puerto Rico which left the team in the second position in Group F on eight points. The eventual winners' St Kitts & Nevis gathered nine points despite being beaten by the Soca Warriors 2-0 on Tuesday in its final group match with goals from midfielder Duane Muckette in the 35th minute and captain Khaleem Hyland in the 74th at the Estadio Alterno del Centro Juan Pablo Duarte in the Dominica Republic.
There have since been calls for Fenwick to be fired or for him to resign.
Guardian Media Sports understands that during a meeting of the Normalisation Committee on Thursday both Fenwick and Jack took the option of resigning, while assistant coach Derek King was fired.
The Soca Warriors are expected to commence preparations for the Concacaf Gold Cup Tournament. T&T opening match is against Montserrat in the USA on July 2.
It is unsure who the next coach will be, but former national player and coach Ron La Forest has already made it clear that he is interested in the coaching job. There are also rumours that Angus Eve could be a good option, either by himself or with La Forest at his side.
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Nah stones how yuh go do we that by weening away yuhself from we ! Champ stay de course yuh cyar leave just so , matter of fact yuh ain't going no way ! Yuh like de bacchannal yuhself ain't ? :)
nah mate Ive had enough. Ive been on this roller coaster ride since 1989 with TT football and it hasnt gotten any better. it would have been easier if I had just stuck to club football being a westbrom and colchester fan. I know a bit about disappointment in football since Ive supported league one and championship division teams most my adult life. Ive had relegation blues, player blues, club blues and fan base blues.
Ive seen the firms go at it in the height of the hooliganism era though Ive never took part in that rubbish, but none the less been affected by it, and in spite of all of that Ive always seen improvement no matter how little. The only reason Ive weened myself off modern English football was because of the introduction of the premier league with its commercial tentacles and the influx of foreign players from non commonwealth countries, thats when the local lads from the youth system were being put on the back burner for highly paid mercenaries.
Part of the fun in English football back then was to watch a lad grow up before your eyes in the youth system and make it all the way to the first team, part of the reason why lower tier teams have such a strong fan base is because we had ties to the players, these were kids from the community for the most part who came through the system, they played harder than anyone else on the team because they were representing their hometown friends and family.
A bloke from Morocco dont give ah damn about Birmingham or glostershire of grimsby, or luton, what do they know about these places? theyre only there for the opportunity to advance their career. remember how Sunderland fans made a big deal about Jordan Henderson and grant ledbitter? and for good reason, these were homegrown lads from their very own youth system that made it to the first team starting eleven, and that is the only reason why people stayed so loyal to club football in the UK, its all about enjoying what we produced and a strong tradition of what that monogram/emblem on your chest represents.
International football is the last garrison of taking pride in what you produced. its about showcasing players from your nation county town academy neighborhood and household and it feels really good when it does happen. this is the reason I continue to support TT football because its the only thing left that I could identify with. its people from my culture on display, people who love doubles and roti, people play pan and knock iron, people who drink puncheon and coconut water, people who play in all fours tournaments, people who enjoy a good calypso tent, I have never been able to enjoy going to a pub or racing on derby day as much as I enjoy panorama or a football match involving the senior mens team at the stadium.
So when people like DJW, brent sancho or jack warner who use football to advance themselves are exonerated of any blame it drive me nuts, while local football stakeholders who enabled them neglect to figure out that the real problem with our football lies not at the feet of a coach nor his staff, but rather with the lack of care by the same federations whom they support and the government and the people who are entrusted with the care of the sport. you cant have a total lack of care and disregard for developmental programs and financial endowment and expect to succeed, that is ludicrous, and in spite of, we keep going back to like a sick dog to their vomit for solutions after we fail in that regard.
Who on earth is strong enough to take this constant chain of disappointment year in year out and its only a matter of time till i pack it in mate. if these people arent intuitive enough to realize that they need to do something drastic about creating better more technical players instead of firing coaches willy nilly, then its time for me to bounce, Ive had it, I cant take these counterproductive episodes anymore.
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Aye Pull stones. I go like to see Bahamas play Brazil. According to you, once the Bahamians park that bus, and they put fat boy who does cook in the hotel on Neymar, well know dais it for Brazil...
thats not a good look GOP I thought you were a gentleman and a reasonable person hence the reason I engaged you, so whats with the trini pecong bacchanal twist, you think you know this game better than me? every man is entitled to his opinion regardless of how ridiculous it might sound. so we disagree on the Bahamas fiasco and thats fine, in retrospect we could agree to disagree and still remain respectful. IMO its part of what makes Homo sapiens a remarkable specie, after all, humanity would lose its flavor if everyone agreed on everything all the time, but at least when we differ could we be respectful?
Yeah I just kixing with you. . Only a few posters here who I respect their opinion. So no worries. I had to toss out a joke on this.
I did call for TF to resign or be removed. But the question is, who will be the next coach. It will make more sense to properly search for the best replacement. But the timing is what might make this a bad choice. . Meaning a rush decision to hire a new coach.
The truth is that TF did have the know how to best BAH. But he went into the game thinking that no real amount of preparation and scouting was necessary. Instead of preparing for the worse and expecting the best, he prepared for the best and end up getting the worse.
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Aye Pull stones. I go like to see Bahamas play Brazil. According to you, once the Bahamians park that bus, and they put fat boy who does cook in the hotel on Neymar, well know dais it for Brazil...
thats not a good look GOP I thought you were a gentleman and a reasonable person hence the reason I engaged you, so whats with the trini pecong bacchanal twist, you think you know this game better than me? every man is entitled to his opinion regardless of how ridiculous it might sound. so we disagree on the Bahamas fiasco and thats fine, in retrospect we could agree to disagree and still remain respectful. IMO its part of what makes Homo sapiens a remarkable specie, after all, humanity would lose its flavor if everyone agreed on everything all the time, but at least when we differ could we be respectful?
Yeah I just kixing with you. . Only a few posters here who I respect their opinion. So no worries. I had to toss out a joke on this.
I did call for TF to resign or be removed. But the question is, who will be the next coach. It will make more sense to properly search for the best replacement. But the timing is what might make this a bad choice. . Meaning a rush decision to hire a new coach.
The truth is that TF did have the know how to best BAH. But he went into the game thinking that no real amount of preparation and scouting was necessary. Instead of preparing for the worse and expecting the best, he prepared for the best and end up getting the worse.
ok mate no problem. about firing terry, trinis lobby for the scalp of a man who struggled to put a team together in a ragging pandemic not being able to train players as he would have liked especially when the league was suspended. This coach only played 5 games total since his hiring, one friendly which he loss to a great team and 4 competitive matches winning two games in a tournament and drawing two, now how does that warrant a firing?
take dennis lawrence for instance, he won his first game and lose the next 6 and then went on for 17 more games without a win, yet he not only got his contract renewed, had DJW not lost the elections Im sure Dennis would still be coaching us. funny how we love and tolerate the smell of our own shit better than that of others.
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Stones breds ah hear yuh ! In all seriousness many among us who are trini football fans do have our concerns with the state of what's currently going on , it's inescapable in plain sight , I certainly hope things do improve for the betterment of all involved , at all levels this is what I do believe we all want to see ! So breds don't take it too personal ! Cheers
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Stones breds ah hear yuh ! In all seriousness many among us who are trini football fans do have our concerns with the state of what's currently going on , it's inescapable in plain sight , I certainly hope things do improve for the betterment of all involved , at all levels this is what I do believe we all want to see ! So breds don't take it too personal ! Cheers
what's going on now has been going in 2011 when guyana booted us out of the world cup, what happened to us now happened in the hex of 2001 when we lost our first game to jamaica at home and was abysmal throughout, finishing on the bottom of the table. the biggest plaster we had was leo benhakker who in 2005 managed to scraped through a 4th place win qualifying for a world cup in the process, that was when football really took a turn for the worst with the impasse, money matters and the blacklist.
the thing is that no one didn't care enough to start putting our house in order after that loss in 2011 and the ousting of jack warner by fifa. if we had forgotten the world cup for 10 years and concentrated of player development and building a batter league, right now we would have been in the final eight not even needing to go through all this qualification for a spot.
i've often claim that this world cup glory hunting is an impediment to our football, our main concern should be to keep our rankings up and try to get to a gold cup final, that should be at the top of our list. i'm so glad that we're out, thank god for that, now we could concentrate on building a better team from youth level onward, that is if anyone cares to do some serious introspection.
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Aye Pull stones. I go like to see Bahamas play Brazil. According to you, once the Bahamians park that bus, and they put fat boy who does cook in the hotel on Neymar, well know dais it for Brazil...
thats not a good look GOP I thought you were a gentleman and a reasonable person hence the reason I engaged you, so whats with the trini pecong bacchanal twist, you think you know this game better than me? every man is entitled to his opinion regardless of how ridiculous it might sound. so we disagree on the Bahamas fiasco and thats fine, in retrospect we could agree to disagree and still remain respectful. IMO its part of what makes Homo sapiens a remarkable specie, after all, humanity would lose its flavor if everyone agreed on everything all the time, but at least when we differ could we be respectful?
Yeah I just kixing with you. . Only a few posters here who I respect their opinion. So no worries. I had to toss out a joke on this.
I did call for TF to resign or be removed. But the question is, who will be the next coach. It will make more sense to properly search for the best replacement. But the timing is what might make this a bad choice. . Meaning a rush decision to hire a new coach.
The truth is that TF did have the know how to best BAH. But he went into the game thinking that no real amount of preparation and scouting was necessary. Instead of preparing for the worse and expecting the best, he prepared for the best and end up getting the worse.
ok mate no problem. about firing terry, trinis lobby for the scalp of a man who struggled to put a team together in a ragging pandemic not being able to train players as he would have liked especially when the league was suspended. This coach only played 5 games total since his hiring, one friendly which he loss to a great team and 4 competitive matches winning two games in a tournament and drawing two, now how does that warrant a firing?
take dennis lawrence for instance, he won his first game and lose the next 6 and then went on for 17 more games without a win, yet he not only got his contract renewed, had DJW not lost the elections Im sure Dennis would still be coaching us. funny how we love and tolerate the smell of our own shit better than that of others.
I agree. But I think the signficance of the game and the opposition is what really determined TF's exit. I think any coach who lost that game in particular would have faced the same scrutiny and would have been removed.
All we got now is the Gold cup for 2021 and 2023. We need to be at a good ranking by 2024 as that will determine our seed. God forbid we get into a similar type of grouping where we have Suriname or Haiti instead of a BAH or PR.
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Aye Pull stones. I go like to see Bahamas play Brazil. According to you, once the Bahamians park that bus, and they put fat boy who does cook in the hotel on Neymar, well know dais it for Brazil...
thats not a good look GOP I thought you were a gentleman and a reasonable person hence the reason I engaged you, so whats with the trini pecong bacchanal twist, you think you know this game better than me? every man is entitled to his opinion regardless of how ridiculous it might sound. so we disagree on the Bahamas fiasco and thats fine, in retrospect we could agree to disagree and still remain respectful. IMO its part of what makes Homo sapiens a remarkable specie, after all, humanity would lose its flavor if everyone agreed on everything all the time, but at least when we differ could we be respectful?
Yeah I just kixing with you. . Only a few posters here who I respect their opinion. So no worries. I had to toss out a joke on this.
I did call for TF to resign or be removed. But the question is, who will be the next coach. It will make more sense to properly search for the best replacement. But the timing is what might make this a bad choice. . Meaning a rush decision to hire a new coach.
The truth is that TF did have the know how to best BAH. But he went into the game thinking that no real amount of preparation and scouting was necessary. Instead of preparing for the worse and expecting the best, he prepared for the best and end up getting the worse.
ok mate no problem. about firing terry, trinis lobby for the scalp of a man who struggled to put a team together in a ragging pandemic not being able to train players as he would have liked especially when the league was suspended. This coach only played 5 games total since his hiring, one friendly which he loss to a great team and 4 competitive matches winning two games in a tournament and drawing two, now how does that warrant a firing?
take dennis lawrence for instance, he won his first game and lose the next 6 and then went on for 17 more games without a win, yet he not only got his contract renewed, had DJW not lost the elections Im sure Dennis would still be coaching us. funny how we love and tolerate the smell of our own shit better than that of others.
I agree. But I think the signficance of the game and the opposition is what really determined TF's exit. I think any coach who lost that game in particular would have faced the same scrutiny and would have been removed.
All we got now is the Gold cup for 2021 and 2023. We need to be at a good ranking by 2024 as that will determine our seed. God forbid we get into a similar type of grouping where we have Suriname or Haiti instead of a BAH or PR.
you know this world cup thing is comparable to panorama, it's like a hustle that makes no sense. you spend tons of money to bring a band, the band plays/competes, then after panorama is over we boast about who played the best, but no one is business savvy enough to market their bands on a money making venture with world wide tours etc, but instead rely heavily on sponsorship every single year, and the year that they're not sponsored the band could possibly break up.
football is a business in most countries except trinidad and tobago, in fact we're one of the few countries with a league that rely on government subventions to survive. imagine having a league that cannot attract any kind of sponsorship, why couldn't anyone find a way to market football in TT they way they do in other countries?
and we have these old fools (former footballers) who are sold on this world cup dream, and every year we bust out they grumble and blame the coaches and the players, but these same dummies aren't sensible or honest with themselves enough to realize that football in TT is almost nonexistent and we're far from ready to compete with the rest of the world in that regard.
why not put things in place by fixing the league and making football a business so we could generate enough money to invest it back into youth development? for us trying to go to the world cup every time it rolls around is akin to a bum longing to go to carnegie hall but lives on the streets with no money and no clothes.
instead of spending all you have to go to carnegie hall only to wake up hungry and broke the next day, take that money and rent a room and buy yourself some clean clothes, and then maybe if you could find a job, and save up enough money, then maybe one day you would be more than able to buy a ticket to the great event, but wanting to go to carnegie hall in stinky clothes with no where to live is nonsensical. get a room first and some clean clothes TT, and forget about carnegie hall for now.
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Soca Warriors Head Coach Terry Fenwick sacked along with assistants Derek King and Kelvin Jack
TTFA Media
The Normalisation Committee serves notice of termination to Terry Fenwick and mutually parts company with Derek King and Kelvin Jack.
The FIFA appointed Normalisation Committee (NC) of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) served notice of termination to Senior Mens National Team Head Coach Terry Fenwick.
Additionally, the NC has mutually parted company with Senior Mens National Team Assistant Coach Derek King and is finalizing same with Assistant Coach Kelvin Jack.
Given the financial situation of the TTFA which threatens its ability to fund the coaches at the salary levels that were committed, the NC has met with Derek King and Kelvin Jack and have come to a mutually agreed position.
The NC wishes to thank Derek and Kelvin for their work, professionalism and sincere understanding. We wish them all the best in the future.
The TTFA will now prioritize its appointment of an Interim Head Coach together with a coaching staff next week, ahead of the Gold Cup Preliminary Round which takes place in early July 2021.
A selection panel led by NC Member Nicholas Gomez and comprising Anton Corneal, Anthony Sherwood and Richard Chinapoo will meet to finalize the selection of the Interim Head Coach. The Interim Head Coach together with the panel will then establish the supporting team.
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Soca Warriors Head Coach Terry Fenwick sacked along with assistants Derek King and Kelvin Jack
TTFA Media
The Normalisation Committee serves notice of termination to Terry Fenwick and mutually parts company with Derek King and Kelvin Jack.
The FIFA appointed Normalisation Committee (NC) of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) served notice of termination to Senior Mens National Team Head Coach Terry Fenwick.
Additionally, the NC has mutually parted company with Senior Mens National Team Assistant Coach Derek King and is finalizing same with Assistant Coach Kelvin Jack.
Given the financial situation of the TTFA which threatens its ability to fund the coaches at the salary levels that were committed, the NC has met with Derek King and Kelvin Jack and have come to a mutually agreed position.
The NC wishes to thank Derek and Kelvin for their work, professionalism and sincere understanding. We wish them all the best in the future.
The TTFA will now prioritize its appointment of an Interim Head Coach together with a coaching staff next week, ahead of the Gold Cup Preliminary Round which takes place in early July 2021.
A selection panel led by NC Member Nicholas Gomez and comprising Anton Corneal, Anthony Sherwood and Richard Chinapoo will meet to finalize the selection of the Interim Head Coach. The Interim Head Coach together with the panel will then establish the supporting team.
Someone missing.
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Soca Warriors Head Coach Terry Fenwick sacked along with assistants Derek King and Kelvin Jack
TTFA Media
The Normalisation Committee serves notice of termination to Terry Fenwick and mutually parts company with Derek King and Kelvin Jack.
The FIFA appointed Normalisation Committee (NC) of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) served notice of termination to Senior Mens National Team Head Coach Terry Fenwick.
Additionally, the NC has mutually parted company with Senior Mens National Team Assistant Coach Derek King and is finalizing same with Assistant Coach Kelvin Jack.
Given the financial situation of the TTFA which threatens its ability to fund the coaches at the salary levels that were committed, the NC has met with Derek King and Kelvin Jack and have come to a mutually agreed position.
The NC wishes to thank Derek and Kelvin for their work, professionalism and sincere understanding. We wish them all(sic) the best in the future.
The TTFA will now prioritize its appointment of an Interim Head Coach together with a coaching staff next week, ahead of the Gold Cup Preliminary Round which takes place in early July 2021.
A selection panel led by NC Member Nicholas Gomez and comprising Anton Corneal, Anthony Sherwood and Richard Chinapoo will meet to finalize the selection of the Interim Head Coach. The Interim Head Coach together with the panel will then establish the supporting team.
1. The heading is not as moderate or tempered as one would expect for a federation press release (for instance, alternatively, it could have been vetted to state 'Change in national team technical staff').
It seems an appropriate headline for a newspaper article.
Might be because there's a measure of subliminal venom and intended strong messaging to the global public in light of the outgoing coach's attempt to frustrate his last rites or to orchestrate his departure.
2. The release makes a clear distinction between how Fenwick was disengaged (notice of termination) and how King and Jack were disengaged (mutuality). That is, a lack of amicability versus the presence of amicability. One went dragged out (although still locked in) and the others with a measure of dignity.
3. The sentence 'We wish them all the best in the future' is curious in its placement. Its placement suggests that it is a reference to King and Jack. However, the use of the word 'all' is inconsistent as a reference to merely two persons.
Separating that sentence as a distinct paragraph would unambiguously render the 'all' as applying to the three coaches. Leaving it as it is constructed is tantalizingly nebulous or mischievous, whether by accident or design. Some parting shot that would be in response to any head butt. Maybe, just maybe, only two coaches are genuinely wished well.
Regardless, there's no mistaking the absence of accident in the headline.
4. Perhaps in a nod to a lesson learned from the disgruntled reactions that accompanied the naming of the assistant coaches for the WNT, the release removes a repeat of angry questions concerning the selection process, in the case of the MNT, by stating an outline of how the coaching staff is to be identified for the Gold Cup cycle (leaks and rumours notwithstanding).
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A word of caution to the NC:
Do NOT commit to engaging the Interim Head Coach on a full-time basis based exclusively on performance/qualification/ tournament progress/ other similar configuration.
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A word of caution to the NC:
Do NOT commit to engaging the Interim Head Coach on a full-time basis based exclusively on performance/qualification/ tournament progress/ other similar configuration.
On what basis should the Interim Head Coach be engaged?
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A word of caution to the NC:
Do NOT commit to engaging the Interim Head Coach on a full-time basis based exclusively on performance/qualification/ tournament progress/ other similar configuration.
On what basis should the Interim Head Coach be engaged?
See the Thread....... WHAT WE NEED IN A COACH
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A word of caution to the NC:
Do NOT commit to engaging the Interim Head Coach on a full-time basis based exclusively on performance/qualification/ tournament progress/ other similar configuration.
On what basis should the Interim Head Coach be engaged?
I'll respond in possibly two parts. One here and the other, if necessary, separately.
The range of requisites and considerations for fulfilling the interim role are exceeded by the range of requisites and considerations for the longer-term position. Progression through the tournament should be a discussion starter, rather than constitute securing of the longer term role.
Substantive response
The first concern is a durational concern: what period should the interim appointment span. Tied to this is defining the precise objective of the interim appointment and the precise benefit sought.
Proposition 1: The interim period should be narrowly construed and construed as narrowly as pragmatic.
The Gold Cup Preliminary Tournament spans July 2 - July 6. The Gold Cup runs from July 10 - August 1. The absence of an appropriate transitional period between July 6 and July 10 suggests that the interim period should contemplate the Preliminary Tournament and the Gold Cup.
If qualification for the GC does not occur, the start of the identification process for a permanent NT coach would and should be triggered on either July 2 or July 6. If GC qualification occurs, the date on which the longer-term identification process is triggered is dependent on the date of GC exit.
Proposition 2: During the interim period, the selection committee should be engaged in orienting itself with alternative candidates for the FT role. It is not necessary that the interim coach have an interest in the longer-term position or be considered for the longer-term role. Indeed that parameter must be defined, either positively or negatively at the outset. It has to be clear. Regardless, that parallel process should be engaged in as a contingency.
The NT appointment is a multiyear assignment and project, of which we can be beneficiaries due to our early elimination. We are 1.5 years away from the start of the Qatar WC and 3.5 years before the 2026 cycle. That's better than borrowed time.
Proposition 3: The larger quantum of that time we use sensibly the better (tied to Proposition 2).
The GC tournament is a solitary event similar in format to the actual WC and demands many of the management challenges tied to a WC. As such, it is a reasonable template for observation of decision-making. However, the focus of the hire should be on a candidate who can progress the competencies and sophistication of the team in keeping with the modern evolution of the game. That is, beyond results, the hire is charged with transformation. If the hire is not a transformative hire, we would be squandering borrowed time. Ground floor transformation. Transformation of culture. Root and branch transformation.
Twinning continuity in the gig merely on the basis of progression through the tournament would be short-sighted because that would ignore some critical dimensions of the job not implicated during the tournament and ignore concerns that ought not be ignored within the dysfunction of the present football ecosystem.
The FIFA windows for 2021 are August 30-September 8 and October 4-October 13.
Proposition 4: The assignment of the longer-term role should commence during the first of these windows.
That is an on balance call, a question of interpretation and the subject of cost-benefit analysis.
The alternative assignment of the longer-term role would be the January 2022 window. In which event, there could be more than one interim appointment. That may seem inefficient or counterintuitive, but it yields a prospective benefit. However, as a caveat, in terms of timing, it should be considered that mid-year assignments tend to limit the pool of best qualified candidates. That stated, timing is not an insurmountable hurdle if the identification of the eventual candidate is targeted strategically.
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As much as I feel that TF did not prove himself. Let's not get it twisted with the NC. They are very opportunistic. They are using this opportunity to show that they are looking in the best interest of TT football.
The stories are coming out about TF and the last 2 games. Apparently he couldn't build rapport with the team.
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As much as I feel that TF did not prove himself. Let's not get it twisted with the NC. They are very opportunistic. They are using this opportunity to show that they are looking in the best interest of TT football.
The stories are coming out about TF and the last 2 games. Apparently he couldn't build the rapport with the team.
This decision was too easy. Did not require an immense degree of insight. Inaction would have imploded the NC's wounded credibility.
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As much as I feel that TF did not prove himself. Let's not get it twisted with the NC. They are very opportunistic. They are using this opportunity to show that they are looking in the best interest of TT football.
The stories are coming out about TF and the last 2 games. Apparently he couldn't build the rapport with the team.
This decision was too easy. Did not require an immense degree of insight. Inaction would have imploded the NC's wounded credibility.
Yeah kind of doing the obvious. . An opportunity to appease the fans.
BTW, how long will this NC be involved in TT football?
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As much as I feel that TF did not prove himself. Let's not get it twisted with the NC. They are very opportunistic. They are using this opportunity to show that they are looking in the best interest of TT football.
The stories are coming out about TF and the last 2 games. Apparently he couldn't build the rapport with the team.
This decision was too easy. Did not require an immense degree of insight. Inaction would have imploded the NC's wounded credibility.
Yeah kind of doing the obvious. . An opportunity to appease the fans.
BTW, how long will this NC be involved in TT football?
At this point, hopefully as long as possible. We are not in a place of transition to elections or independence, despite the hiccups. Venezuela had a NC imposed more or less around the same time and they are out. Despite that, Venezuela is an exceptional circumstance for some other reasons.
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As much as I feel that TF did not prove himself. Let's not get it twisted with the NC. They are very opportunistic. They are using this opportunity to show that they are looking in the best interest of TT football.
The stories are coming out about TF and the last 2 games. Apparently he couldn't build the rapport with the team.
This decision was too easy. Did not require an immense degree of insight. Inaction would have imploded the NC's wounded credibility.
Yeah kind of doing the obvious. . An opportunity to appease the fans.
BTW, how long will this NC be involved in TT football?
At this point, hopefully as long as possible. We are not in a place of transition to elections or independence, despite the hiccups. Venezuela had a NC imposed more or less around the same time and they are out. Despite that, Venezuela is an exceptional circumstance for some other reasons.
I never looked at it that way. In a way the NC is all we got, which is kind of like "40 acres and a mule".
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The case for Terry Fenwick
T&T Express
I have heard the clarion call from this countrys football fans for the resignation of senior mens national coach Terry Fenwick.
This follows our exit from the FIFA World Cup set for Qatar next year.
It was a bitter pill to swallow and if all things were equal the buck stops with head coach Fenwick and his technical staff.
But, in this case, all things were not equal. Lets be fair to the former England international and do some serious introspection.
All of our home matches were played on foreign soil because of the Covid19 pandemic.
To give up home advantage during World Cup qualifiers is deemed sacrilegious in the football community.
The Ministry of Sport, the TTFA, the Ministry of Health and the Government did not go the extra mile to assist in this area.
Any country serious about its World Cup campaign will have pulled out all the stops to ensure Fenwick and his Soca Warriors were ready for the challenge ahead.
Football fans, a World Cup journey is not Play Whe; theres no luck and chance, but rather it requires careful planning, preparation and execution.
Can anyone tell me if this was done? How come despite the pandemic other Caribbean countries such as Jamaica were able to have friendly internationals?
Fenwick had one, if my memory serves me right and this was a one-off game against the United States. This was done to assess and recruit players in one shot. We all can recall the catastrophic result of that experiment.
Reading about and listening to the wide range of reasons why Fenwick should be fired, I found former senior team national womens coach Jamaal Shabazz to be the most sincere of the lot.
Shabazz is quoted as saying nobody should be shedding crocodile tears and, it is easy to lynch Terry Fenwick. But we must take collective responsibility for bringing the game to this damnable state in the post-Jack Warner era.
The old adage still holds what goes on off the field affects what happens on the field of play.
The court battle involving FIFA, William Wallace, duly elected president of the TTFA, and the Normalisation Committee appointed by FIFA readily comes to mind.
If this countrys football fans are looking for a fall guy for the dire straits the game finds itself currently then, the 1986 England World Cup defender is the man. I rest my case.
Astil Renn
via e-mail
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The case for Terry Fenwick
T&T Express
I have heard the clarion call from this countrys football fans for the resignation of senior mens national coach Terry Fenwick.
This follows our exit from the FIFA World Cup set for Qatar next year.
It was a bitter pill to swallow and if all things were equal the buck stops with head coach Fenwick and his technical staff.
But, in this case, all things were not equal. Lets be fair to the former England international and do some serious introspection.
All of our home matches were played on foreign soil because of the Covid19 pandemic.( Canada had the same situation)BFD
To give up home advantage during World Cup qualifiers is deemed sacrilegious in the football community.( BS- its about how we playing the game - the fans are not on the field- If a player is depending on the fans to assist at this level, something is wrong)
The Ministry of Sport, the TTFA, the Ministry of Health and the Government did not go the extra mile to assist in this area. ( (deflection from the fact that a coach coaches and players play despite all the external factors)
Any country serious about its World Cup campaign will have pulled out all the stops to ensure Fenwick and his Soca Warriors were ready for the challenge ahead. ( ( what could have been done ready to ensure readiness by NC?) Did Haiti do something differently in their preparation?
Football fans, a World Cup journey is not Play Whe; theres no luck and chance, but rather it requires careful planning, preparation and execution. This lies squarely on the coach and players
Can anyone tell me if this was done? How come despite the pandemic other Caribbean countries such as Jamaica were able to have friendly internationals?
Fenwick had one, if my memory serves me right and this was a one-off game against the United States. This was done to assess and recruit players in one shot. We all can recall the catastrophic result of that experiment.
Reading about and listening to the wide range of reasons why Fenwick should be fired, I found former senior team national womens coach Jamaal Shabazz to be the most sincere of the lot.
Shabazz is quoted as saying nobody should be shedding crocodile tears and, it is easy to lynch Terry Fenwick. But we must take collective responsibility for bringing the game to this damnable state in the post-Jack Warner era. YUH GO BASE THAT SENNE ON ONE WHO IS A DISSENT AND HAD HIS CRACK AT NATIONAL TEAM AND FAILED STEUIPS
The old adage still holds what goes on off the field affects what happens on the field of play.
The court battle involving FIFA, William Wallace, duly elected president of the TTFA, and the Normalisation Committee appointed by FIFA readily comes to mind.
If this countrys football fans are looking for a fall guy for the dire straits the game finds itself currently then, the 1986 England World Cup defender is the man. I rest my case.
Astil Renn
via e-mail
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I willing to give Eve ah chance, Fenwick who plenty people on here wanted to give ah chance got his and did f**k all, to quote d english, so given d shit state we find ourselves in, he is d best budget candidate for this interim role local bias notwithstanding
Fenwick emerged as a consensus candidate, had support, had his chance, rose to some challenges, did not overcome other challenges, squandered goodwill and fell to a reasonable accounting at the appropriate moment (the end of the qualifying round).
In some matters he projected as professional, in others impatient, in some transparently political and in others as lacking diplomacy and restraint. What he didn't project was a defensible or convincing template of play regardless of the players involved. His downfall is due to that last item - the thing it was most important to get right.
Nonetheless, he's still left with the possibility of parading or peddling his win-loss record and club achievements within the Caribbean, where one of the "minnows" or adventurous teams may find his credentials or rehabilitation attractive. Yuh just never know.
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I willing to give Eve ah chance, Fenwick who plenty people on here wanted to give ah chance got his and did f**k all, to quote d english, so given d shit state we find ourselves in, he is d best budget candidate for this interim role local bias notwithstanding
Fenwick emerged as a consensus candidate, had support, had his chance, rose to some challenges, did not overcome other challenges, squandered goodwill and fell to a reasonable accounting at the appropriate moment (the end of the qualifying round).
In some matters he projected as professional, in others impatient, in some transparently political and in others as lacking diplomacy and restraint. What he didn't project was a defensible or convincing template of play regardless of the players involved. His downfall is due to that last item - the thing it was most important to get right.
Nonetheless, he's still left with the possibility of parading or peddling his win-loss record and club achievements within the Caribbean, where one of the "minnows" or adventurous teams may find his credentials or rehabilitation attractive. Yuh just never know.
Very well articulated - succinct and in many ways indicative of what we saw. He indeed has an experience a pedigree of playing at a high level and success at the local level but the ability to demonstrate at the coaching ranks at the level required during his tenure was sadly not evident. Maybe working alongside a more seasoned coach like Beenhaker might have been worthwhile.
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Normalisation Committee: Terry Fenwick sacked due to affordability issue
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday)
ANGUS EVE, the new coach of the T&T mens football team, has been handed a performance-based contract, according to Robert Hadad, chairman of the FIFA-appointed normalisation committee, which oversees the affairs of the T&T Football Association (TTFA).
Hadad made this disclosure during an interview on Monday afternoon, moments after a Zoom media conference, organised by the TTFA, which introduced Eve as the replacement for the sacked Terry Fenwick.
On Saturday, Eve was hired on an interim basis, until August 31.
Hadad declined to say if Eves salary will be on par with Fenwicks earnings of US$20,000 per month.
Asked about Eves salary, Hadad replied, It has been decided but that is private, and I would not like to reveal that just yet. What I can tell you is his salary is based a big part of it on performance.
Fenwick took over from Dennis Lawrence as T&T coach on a two-year deal, effective January 1, 2020, with the understanding that he would be paid US$17,500/month with other bonuses. In the incentive package, Fenwicks salary would have increased to US$20,000/month if the team qualified for the 2021 Concacaf Gold Cup.
However, an agreement was signed by former TTFA president William Wallace, ex-general secretary Ramesh Ramdhan and Fenwick which meant that Fenwick would get a starting salary of US$20,000/month and would have increased to US$25,000/month if the team earned a spot in the Gold Cup.
Earlier this month, T&T, under the guidance of Fenwick, were eliminated from the 2022 FIFA World Cup Concacaf Zone first round qualifiers, after they failed to top Group F. T&T finished second with eight points, one point behind St Kitts/Nevis.
The national team will be involved in the Gold Cup qualification stage at Fort Lauderdale, Florida, United States.
On July 2, T&T will meet Montserrat while, a day later, Cuba will oppose French Guiana. The winners of those matches will square off on July 6 for a Gold Cup spot, in Group A (alongside Curacao, El Salvador and Mexico).
According to Hadad, Fenwick is still owed outstanding salaries and that matter is being dealt with by the normalisation committee.
He was paid from January to April of this year, Hadad said. We are owing him, I believe, about six months from last year. Were owing him another two months (from) this year. We will have to negotiate what happens with his salary from now till the end of the year.
Concerning the salaries of Fenwicks assistant coaches Derek King and Kelvin Jack, Hadad mentioned, Weve agreed on a settlement with them already and theyve been really great about it. Both of them have understood our affordability issue and were paying them up until the end of June. Theyve been very kind to the Association and T&T football.
During the media conference, normalisation committee member Nicholas Gomez revealed that Fenwicks dismissal as T&T coach last week was not only due to the World Cup elimination but financial issues as well.
This matter has purely to deal with the affordability issue, Gomez said. The Association has been challenged financially. Some of the arrangements that were established before the normalisation committee came in, just have proven not to be affordable.
Gomez continued, We had to make a judgement call and determination as to how we deal with it. Our approach was to deal with it in the way that we had. Weve taken this measure on that basis.
Were the teams performances used as means to dismiss Fenwick as coach? Gomez responded, Trinidad and Tobago (have) not been satisfied with the outcome, having been eliminated from the World Cup qualifiers. The impact of that is quite significant on the Association, and the players. Whilst we had to deal with that, the fact is we remained very uncomfortable with the arrangements that were in place.
This was always a matter that was of concern for us. We attempted to have conversations in that context but it did not lead to any different outcome. We took the opportunity to make a decision. Were hoping that this measure is going to create an opportunity, a change in leadership, a change in tone, a change in culture, some inspiration and motivation for the players.
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How about Terry Fenwick to work with... the devolopment, the identification, the training and promotion of a locally based National squad?
Hey pullstones read
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Fenwick targets Florida camp ahead of WC qualifiers.
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday).
A CAMP in Florida is being planned by Terry Fenwick to give the T&T mens senior national head coach the opportunity to have a closer look at the US-based T&T players and allow those players to gel with the local-based players.
The countdown is on for the national footballers as the Concacaf World Cup qualifiers are less than three months away.
T&T will start its World Cup qualifying campaign on March 25 against Guyana in Group F.
The group also features Puerto Rico, Bahamas and St Kitts and Nevis.
T&T are currently the highest-ranked team in the group at 105th in the world. St Kitts and Nevis are ranked 139th, Guyana 166th, Puerto Rico 178th and Bahamas 195th.
T&T have been short of preparation leading into the qualifiers as in 2020 the national team did not play any competitive matches because of covid19 and the grappling between FIFA and the United TT Football Association (TTFA). The dispute led to FIFA banning TTFA for two months from September to November. Club football was also at a standstill in T&T during 2020 which kept the players inactive.
I am hoping to put a camp together in Miamiwhereby we can bring in all of the North American players that are available for us for World Cup (qualifiers), Fenwick told Newsday during a national team training session at the St James Police Barracks, on Sunday.
Fenwick said the camp will help the US-based players and local-based players form a cohesive unit. We can bring them in. We could bring the best kids that we got available on the ground in T&T, so we merge them together. That will be the start of me putting my squad together for World Cup (qualifiers).
The camp is expected to last between ten days and two weeks before the qualifiers begin.
Fenwick said most of his squad for the upcoming matches will be foreign-based players because they are match fit.
There is no doubt that most of my squad, if not all, will be from US, UK generally. Players that are playing in leagues that are competing (and) that are match fit. We have identified a host of new players that when they hit the ground here in Trinidad it will be a shock to most, but I rather leave that until theyre here so we dont disappoint.
Fenwick said he will not be able to travel to England to meet T&T footballers based there because the country is under a covid19 lockdown.
That might be difficult, but I have already identified as many as eight or nine players that I have identified in the UK that are playing at a very good level.
Fenwick said the UK-based players should be available for the World Cup qualifiers because those matches are played in a FIFA window which allows the players to leave their respective clubs to represent their country.
After Fenwick sees the UK-based players in person he will have to make a quick decision to determine what players fit the team goal.
When we get them for the World Cup playoff games that will be in FIFA windows so that will be for a week, ten days maximum.
They are coming in and the first time I see them will be right before the World Cup qualifiers, so I then got to make quick and decisive decisions on my team.
So what's new? The same formula of that is been going on for centuries in our national team selection. Put together a " jokey local squad" hold training sessions knowing full well that this is just a transitional team to demonstrate that a coach I'd doing work and in this case getting 20k us a month! Then wait and hastily bring in the foreign star boys to bolster the rooster!!!
There is not intent to create a solid local competitive culture that would make earning a spot on the team a level of accomplishment.
How did the present squad earn a tryout? What was the criteria? I suggested before that we employ:
A zonal competition- North South East West Tobago-tournament format- select a local squad following this playoff- take that squad to UK /USA to play those identified as potential players that could represent TnT-
Then pick a national team to play any aganist - Anguilla, India, Venezuela, and any others who are looking to beat we up.
This old formula of just bringing inforeign base players knowing they have secured a position on the team has not been working over a sustainable time for TnT.
Our national team selection needs a new model of creating a competitive climate and establishing a route to success that would be in brained throughout the process- playerswould be acclimitiazing to the process of qualifing for a position locally- getting use to travelling to play foreign players vying for a position prior to playing against other countries. This is incentive laden from the get go. There are current players going through the motions knowing that as soon as the foreign based player is available their position or chance of making the final cut is nonexistent - likewise there are foreign based players who know they can waltz in and be guaranteed a spot on the team.
This process is missing in terms of player development, competitive nurturing, team dynamics and a transparent fair opportunity of selecting the most formidable team. Talent alone will not cut it!!!
There are the intangibles for a local player wanting to make that team so asto procure possible future contracts- foreign players to establish leverage with foreign based clubs- an opportunity it's to be on the biggest stage.
Presently the system in place is deficient and that deficiency will be a deficit and deterrent as the competition intensifies - thenthe sameo.d rants would be played out about coaching and players - without use et giving a thought to the system we have in place from selection of players to coaches.
How possible is it during COVID to travel to US knowing you have to quarantine - set up a camp bring in players from other states and conduct sessions? What testing are available for players? How will the safety of players be ensured? There are some logistics here that given the current situation appears to be missing.
Would it be more feasible to establish a safe secured environment in Trinidad or Tobago invite foreign based players to a try out camp select potential players and then have a mini tournament?
All the way you are building a competitive climate and providing opportunities for development. It is not a given that the starting spots guaranteed are - if you are local and a goalie ( this is short sighted - thinking that technically this position is the least of consideration) secondly if you are a foreign based " star boy" no sweat we holding that position and begging for your services.
Time to stop this madness _ Time to earn your selection- earn your place - the same way for us to get another shot at WCis that we have to earn that spot. Create this thinking - time to transform the way we are currently operating. It's insane to be doing the same thing over and over and expect different results.
So hold on - If a Trinidad squad plays a Tobago squad that is considered an international friendly? wait nah but what the arse is this? Same country are we not?
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Before you talk friendlies- let's get some local interest and also build some internal competition for place on team
A series of-
North v south
North, South, Tobago
TnT locals versus Foreign eligible players
Then select an X1
For friendliest- home and away :
Venezuela - that will incite interest in TnT
Curaao
Guyana
India
Nigeria
Jamaica
Bangladesh
Samoa
Anguilla
Read all of above Pullstones and see if I ever talk about a quick fix
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How about Terry Fenwick to work with... the devolopment, the identification, the training and promotion of a locally based National squad?
Hey pullstones read
You mean U-23/Olympic squad ?
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The Bad Wolf at the door
By Denyse Renne (T&T Express)
Part 1 of an investigation into football scholarships in Trinidad and Tobago.
Fired T&T national football coach Terry Fenwick is at the centre of a tangled web of requests for funding for football scholarships through Irish company Bad Wolf Sports into which Police Commissioner Gary Griffith, an English private school and the Lancashire police have become entangled.
A months-long Sunday Express investigation has revealed that Bad Wolf Sports, which names Fenwick as its technical director, misrepresented international contracts and partnerships it claimed to have obtained over time to bolster its chances in securing scholarship money from the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service (TTPS) for young T&T nationals.
The proposed partnership saw the TTPS Sports Club authorising a wire transfer of 20,000 to Bad Wolf Sports on May 11, 2021 and then withdrawing it.
General Secretary of the Sports Club, Insp Joshua Pierre, and Trustee Anson Springer were signatories to the transfer which requested, the full amount as well as related charges should be deducted from our Interdepartmental Account #23***** which is held at this Branch (One Woodbrook Place), Woodbrook.
Documents seen by the Sunday Express state the funds were to create and deliver on-island B-TEC Sporting Scholarship Programmes (Levels 2 and 3) for identified and qualifying scholars across Trinidad and Tobago.
In correspondence seen by the Sunday Express, Bad Wolf Sports claimed it had entered into a partnership with UK-based private school Moorland for the programme.
When the cash was wired from the TTPS Sports Club account, no structure was in place for the scholarship programme since talks between Moorland and Bad Wolf had been placed on the back burner.
The funds were deposited into the TTPS Sports Club account at First Citizens Bank, One Woodbrook Place, by donors affiliated with the 2019 Commissioners Cup tournament.
By letter dated June 1, 2021, Pierre wrote the manager of First Citizens, One Woodbrook Place, instructing that a Stop Order with Immediate Effect be placed on the wired funds. The bank acknowledged receipt of the request on June 2, 2021.
A search conducted by the Sunday Express via the United Kingdom Company Registry revealed that Bad Wolf Sports Ltd (company number 679163) was set up on Thursday October 8, 2020. Its current partial address is Kildare, Ireland.
The companys managing director is Perry Deakin while directors are Peter Miller and Sarah Deakin. Bad Wolfs website lists Fenwick as its technical director.
Miller is a former marketing director at the T&T Football Association (TTFA) and previously held the position of chief executive officer at the now defunct Football Company of T&T (FCTT).
E-mail exchanges
By e-mail dated February 7, 2021, Miller (peter.miller@badwolfsports.ie) wrote to Fenwick (terryfenwick@hotmail.co.uk) under the subject line, Requested Information for Gary Griffith re Moorland School and Football Factory Foundation). In the email, Miller refers to the scholarship programme and partnership between Moorland and the Football Factory Foundation (FFF) as ground-breaking.
FFF, a charitable sports organisation operated by Fenwick, had teamed up with the TTPS in 2019 to host the Commissioners Cup. (An invoice for that programme was sent to the TTPS by the FFF for $995,000).
In the February 7 email, Miller stated that Griffith had been invited to be the programmes ambassador alongside football great Yaya Tour.
Ivory Coast-born Tour is a retired professional footballer and was voted African Footballer of the Year 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014. He has played for Manchester City and Barcelona.
Miller wrote, to complement the programme a mirror Shoot Goals Not Guns community outreach programme will be facilitated in Lancashire working with Lancashire Police Force. Gary Griffith has been invited to be the programme Ambassador along with Yaya Toure as its Ambassador.
He stated that Griffith would be required to liaise with the Lancashire Police Force, with a view to reciprocal initiatives linked to the programme. It is hoped/proposed that this initiative be replicated throughout the Caribbean Region over the next five years.
Further, Miller stated the partnership with Moorland required an annual residential fee of 34,000. The first year was to consist of a virtual academy conducted by FFF to the tune of 10,000 where students would be exposed to vital learning plus actual coaching, according to Miller.
The first group of students was to begin in a programme in May 2021, and as such all annual fees needed to be paid in advance, Miller wrote.
Miller said to facilitate this ground-breaking initiative a minimum of ten students were required which cost $1 million. A second group of ten students was planned for a July/August, 2021 intake.
That same e-mail was forwarded on February 10, 2021 by Miller to another e-mail address used by Fenwick via email address twf@me.com, in which Deakin was copied.
On February 11, 2021, Fenwick via e-mail address twf@me.com, forwarded Millers February 7, 2021 e-mail to Griffith at captaingarygriffith@hotmail.com.
Three months later, on May 8, 2021, Fenwick forwarded the same February 7, 2021 email to Sgt Joshua Pierre (joshuapierre@yahoo.com) of the TTPS Sports Club stating FYI. Fenwick also copied Deakin on it.
Bad Wolf writes Griffith:
Wheres the money?
In a letter dated April 12, 2021 addressed to Commissioner Gary Griffith, Bad Wolf Sports managing director Perry Deakin stated his company was working alongside Moorland Private School to create and deliver the B-TEC Sporting and Scholarship Programme.
Further, Deakin wrote that Bad Wolf was awaiting payment of $800,000 (to be made in two equal payments of $400,000) to secure up to five scholarship spaces.
This payment will include 12 months scholarship education for all scholars, including delivery of practical coaching elements, all associated cost and fees in negotiating, identifying and registering of scholars, all fees associated with establishing the programme, all fees in relation to on-going liaison with Moorland Private School, on island management of the programme and ongoing assessment of individual scholars, required in order to achieve educational and practical standards of the qualification, Deakin wrote.
Moorland: We never dealt with TTPS
On April 13, 2021 Moorland Private School Head Teacher and proprietor Jonathan Harrison wrote Griffith via e-mail indicating his school was working in partnership with Bad Wolf Sports of Dublin, Republic of Ireland in the identification, negotiation, registration and delivery of BTEC Sporting Scholarships.
On June 16, 2021, the Sunday Express contacted Moorland Private School seeking a comment from Harrison on the letter. We were informed he was on leave. When told what the query was about, a senior administrator of the school indicated she was familiar with Bad Wolf Sports since the company had partnered with the school.
Bad Wolf had reached out to the school earlier this year stating they wanted a football partnership, the representative said.
Moorland thought nothing was untoward since sporting clubs and agencies worldwide have partnered with them in the past.
They (Bad Wolf) approached us. The police service (TTPS) have not come into this at all, as far as we are concerned. This is the first time we are hearing about them (TTPS). Our correspondences have always been with Mr Deakin and Mr Miller where they expressed interest in the B-TEC programme, she said.
She however said nothing was cemented and everything was still at the planning stage.
The administrator also said talks between Bad Wolf and the school had been placed on the back-burner since the company has been missing scheduled meetings and constantly changing dates.
Moorlands website names its international partners as including Progressive Sports Asia (official Hong Kong partner) and the Dream Team Soccer School (official Cyprus partner). The listing does not name Bad Wolf Sports or Football Factory Foundation.
Lancashire Police press officer: Just a bit suspicious
On June 1, 2021 the Sunday Express spoke via telephone with press officer Gareth Vickers of the media relations department of the Lancashire Police Force.
Commenting on Millers correspondence to Fenwick, the press officer said, We have no knowledge of it (programme). I am afraid we have no knowledge of where this is coming from. I have asked a couple of colleagues and they have all come back without any further information, so we are a bit in the dark about this.
Vickers said with any such initiative/project involving the police force, there is a likelihood we would have been told about it and no one has any knowledge of it whatsoever. I would certainly know if we were working alongside a sovereign police commissioner or a sovereign police force, I am just a bit suspicious.. it does not sound quite official.
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Football freeco and the Commissioner's Cup
By Denyse Renne (T&T Express)
Part II of an investigation into football scholarships in Trinidad and Tobago.
THE T&T Police Service (TTPS) approached State-owned National Lotteries Control Board (NLCB) in 2019 seeking sponsorship to the tune of $1 million to offset costs associated with the Commissioners Cup.
The request was made during a presentation in early 2019 to the NLCB by Commissioner of Police Gary Griffith, who was armed with an invoice dated May 27, 2019 submitted by the Football Factory Foundation (FFF) headed by then-national football coach Terry Fenwick.
FFF is a charitable sports organisation operated by Fenwick, which had teamed up with the TTPS in 2019 to host the Commissioners Cup.
The May 27 invoice submitted by Fenwick addressed to the TTPS gave a cost of $995,000 for being retained by the TTPS as a coordinator/consultant for the Cup.
The breakdown of the invoice was as follows:
* Scholarship Mobilisation fees$100,000
* Administrative Staff salaries$190,000
* Technical Staff salaries$235,200
*Equipment, uniforms$250,000
* Marketing and Promotions$100,000
* Academy Grounds Rental, Maintenance and Security$49,200
*Transportation ($70,800).
NLCB rejected $1m request
Speaking with the Sunday Express on May 31, NLCB chairman Eustace Nancis said the NLCB supported the 2019 Commissioners Cup but was unable to donate the requested $1 million.
The first year it (Cup) came off, we sponsored an allocated sum. No, they (TTPS) did not get the million. We can only give what was our in-house limit. Additional approval for more money would have to come from the relevant authority (Ministry of Finance), Nancis said.
The house limit at the time was $150,000.
Despite not getting the lions share of the requested sponsorship, by Memorandum dated July 1, 2019, addressed to Head, Finance of the TTPS under the subject, Approval for Payment of Mobilisation: Football Factory Foundation, Griffith signed and directed that the FFF be paid close to $.3 million.
Please be advised that approval has been granted for the sum of two hundred and ninety-eight thousand,five hundred ($298,500) for the mobilisation of the Commissioners Cup. See attached outstanding invoice from Football Factory Foundation, Griffith wrote.
Rush to upgrade football, hockey fields
Questions have also been raised about the free use of the two football fields and a hockey field at the Police Academy, St James Barracks, for training for the national team following Fenwicks appointment as national coach.
Remedial works on these two fields began without funds being available. Quotes were obtained and orders placed for construction materials.
The TTPS borrowed cash from its Sports Club, promising to repay within a ten-month timeframe.
The Sports Club is funded by its membership (police officers) who make a monthly contribution via $20 salary deductions.
On February 26, 2021, United States-based company Henko Adhesives and Tools billed the TTPS Sports Club US$11,607.
On March 26, 2021, Superior Landscaping and General Contracting Co Ltd from Gasparillo billed the Sports Club $97,312.50.
A break-down of the cost includes:
*200 tonnes Guyana silica sand$70,000 (per ten tonnes)
*Transportation of silica sand (per ten-tonne load)$15,000
*One rental of loader$1,500
Subtotal$86,500
VAT: $10,812.50
Total: $97,312.50
Additionally on March, 31, 2021, Superior billed the Sports Club $136,687.50 as follows:
*9,000 sq metreinstallation of shockpad$40,500
*9,000 sq metreinstallation of artificial turf$45,000
*9,000 sq metreto dress turf surface with silica sand and brush into turf fibre as recommended by supplier (14kg per square metre)$36,000
*Duration of work: 2-3 weeks
Overall total with VAT$136,687.50
Memo for funds
By memo dated February 25, 2021, the general secretary of the Sports Club, Insp Joshua Pierre, wrote to Griffith under the heading, Hockey Field upgrade and Associated Costs.
Pierre made reference to a letter written by Griffith dated February 8, 2021 requesting over $600,000 for this project.
Pierre responded, The Management Committee of the Police Sports Club held its monthly meeting on Wednesday, February 24, 2021 via Zoom. Your request was introduced to the committee by the general secretary for debate and decision.
After the committee was advised by the general secretary, a decision in principle was taken to contribute $342,000 towards the associated costs of the project with the following stipulation for discussion and final agreement.
This money will be a loan from the Division and Branches Fund. 1. A Memorandum of Understanding for repayment of the loan granted.
The money was loaned to the TTPS on two conditionsthat the TTPS submit a signed statement that the monies loaned be reimbursed as soon as the Ministry of Sport released the funds, and due to the rushed request from Griffith, a commercial projection be presented showing how the monies can be reimbursed within ten months of the loan.
On March 5,2021, head of Planning Research and Project Implementation of the TTPS, Salisha Gomes Andrews, wrote to Pierre thanking him for the clubs financial support of $342,000.
Freeco for Fenwick
In the past, rent was paid for use of the TTPS football grounds.
In some cases, the rental fees were waived based on individuals or organisations seeking its use. Such decisions are made via the management committee.
However, use of the fields was free for the national squad under Fenwick. Previously, the T&T senior mens team training sessions always took place at either the Couva-based Ato Boldon Stadium or Hasely Crawford Stadium. The no-cost arrangement was made by without the management committees involvement, the Express was told.
The management committee of the Sports Club was also told that the Ministry of Sport wished to partner in the sporting initiative and promised to provide financial assistance.
The Commissioners Cup
It was a sporting event touted as a tool in the fight against crime.
Titled the Commissioners Cup Football Tournament, the initiative was a collaborative effort of the TTPS through its Community Policing Unit, the T&T Football Association (TTFA) and the FFF.
Griffith described the aim then as being able to allow individuals from communities a chance to secure football scholarships overseas through the FFF.
At the March 19, 2019 launch, Griffith told the media, Sports, especially football, can serve as a catalyst for creating stronger and closer communities and create a pool of talent for future TTPS football teams and, by extension, the nation.
Griffith said, This initiative will assist in minimising nefarious activities within communities, encourage self-development while encouraging greater discipline among players and fostering camaraderie among teams.
A statement by the TTPS later that day indicated the Commissioners Cup would play an integral role in fostering national development given that players attached to 46 youth clubs across the country would participate in 75 matches which will culminate in one major final.
Among the top prizes listed was the opportunity to receive football scholarships in the United Kingdom through the FFF and the Most Valuable Player (MVP) of the finals would be afforded the opportunity to travel with the TTFA to an international friendly match abroad.
Fenwick, who was also present at the launch, said: This is a tremendous opportunity to promote football as a method of community integration. The Football Factory Foundation will deliver all technical aspects of the programme and will oversee a finals weekend which we hope can take place in early 2021. This is a project that revolves around a commitment to young people on a local level who can channel their energies in a positive way.
The FFF was selected to partner with the TTPS over 25 other football clubs in T&T.
Fenwick was appointed by the TTFA in December 2019 as head coach of the senior mens national team.
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Wtf. Nutten? No comment ? No defense? Just another day in TT ?
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Wtf. Nutten? No comment ? No defense? Just another day in TT ?
Defense yuh want? Defense yuh getting! Offense and defense without transition. (https://twitter.com/tv6tnt/status/1409896389497212929)
Sense and nonsense intermingled.
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What makes TF a " Trini? - he appears to like:
- bacchanal
- boboll
- rachifee
- being a badjohn
- being Basa basa
- being bragadacious
-being boldface
- rum
- Trini women
- playing politics
- running TTFA
- living in TnT
- working the system
- Liming with people of influence
- could sh..t talk after a game
- is an authority on most things especially on how to run football in TnT
- doing ah little ting to get ah food
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Wtf. Nutten? No comment ? No defense? Just another day in TT ?
Defense yuh want? Defense yuh getting! Offense and defense without transition. (https://twitter.com/tv6tnt/status/1409896389497212929)
Sense and nonsense intermingled.
Good Defense, Plenty rolling on the ground feinting injury, plenty kick into the stands, plenty appealing to the ref for a help, even drawing on the stands for backings and support, but definitely no goals let in. Noticed no mention of the FFF et al partnership team amongst others, maybe they held practice at another ground. Funny was, the attempt at a counter attack, without actually disrupting the facts presented by the manager of the opposing teams. Moving to the sidelines and calling them shithounds would not affect their abilities to penetrate any defense in the long run. As a betting man I feel the GG team will eventually bun, however as is normal for TT some other 'lawbreakers' (bachanal) or team(disruptive element) would most likely invade the field and temporarily, maybe permanently halt the game. Yet, the Rhythm section will manage to keep the vibes going while The Crowd and Media, just take in the new action, like normal. Depending on the length and size of that new event, we may or may not get back to this tournament, or what is cunningly called the Commissioner Cup or The Scholarship DSS.
Wonder if we could get Quentin Tarantino to direct something for we ? Anyway he probably wouldn't be able to keep up with the writers. We need a director of Series.
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Wtf. Nutten? No comment ? No defense? Just another day in TT ?
Defense yuh want? Defense yuh getting! Offense and defense without transition. (https://twitter.com/tv6tnt/status/1409896389497212929)
Sense and nonsense intermingled.
I ent listen to the rebuttal yet, and only skim the original article a few days ago, but I can say that my 1st impression was that it was a really shoddy, incomplete set of journalism...with a lot of circumstantial evidence of wrongdoing, but nothing that would stand up in a court of law -- my thought was that maybe the media house put pressure on the journalist to publish before the case could be built and made stronger (publish too soon). In the end it just come off to me like a mad journalist with an axe to grind decide to publish some dirt on Gary (was this the same one who ask Gary how his son got on the team?)...kinda like in a smaller scale political campaign in the US.
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Wtf. Nutten? No comment ? No defense? Just another day in TT ?
Defense yuh want? Defense yuh getting! Offense and defense without transition. (https://twitter.com/tv6tnt/status/1409896389497212929)
Sense and nonsense intermingled.
I ent listen to the rebuttal yet, and only skim the original article a few days ago, but I can say that my 1st impression was that it was a really shoddy, incomplete set of journalism...with a lot of circumstantial evidence of wrongdoing, but nothing that would stand up in a court of law -- my thought was that maybe the media house put pressure on the journalist to publish before the case could be built and made stronger (publish too soon). In the end it just come off to me like a mad journalist with an axe to grind decide to publish some dirt on Gary (was this the same one who ask Gary how his son got on the team?)...kinda like in a smaller scale political campaign in the US.
To be fair: consider that the journalist is attempting to stay OUT of court. The only court The Express is interested in is the court of public opinion.
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What makes TF a " Trini? - he appears to like:
- bacchanal
- boboll
- rachifee
- being a badjohn
- being Basa basa
- being bragadacious
-being boldface
- rum
- Trini women
- playing politics
- running TTFA
- living in TnT
- working the system
- Liming with people of influence
- could sh..t talk after a game
- is an authority on most things especially on how to run football in TnT
- doing ah little ting to get ah food
why dont you climb off the mans back and let him be? youve publicly paraded the man as a crook because of a measly 20,000 a month, you banged on his integrity you made a mockery of his family and now that hes gone youre back for more? I dont know mate but if I didnt know any better I would think that you have it in for terry just because hes a white man and a british citizen, and if Im right then you suck.
I dont know what they teach you people up in canada, but most of you on this forum seem to be some discontented mad men who just loves annoying others with your nonsensical comments. Please leave mr fenwick alone, hes gone and out of the picture so set your sights on angus or some other local bum and leave fenwick be, my goodness man.
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What makes TF a " Trini? - he appears to like:
- bacchanal
- boboll
- rachifee
- being a badjohn
- being Basa basa
- being bragadacious
-being boldface
- rum
- Trini women
- playing politics
- running TTFA
- living in TnT
- working the system
- Liming with people of influence
- could sh..t talk after a game
- is an authority on most things especially on how to run football in TnT
- doing ah little ting to get ah food
why dont you climb off the mans back and let him be? youve publicly paraded the man as a crook because of a measly 20,000 a month, you banged on his integrity you made a mockery of his family and now that hes gone youre back for more? I dont know mate but if I didnt know any better I would think that you have it in for terry just because hes a white man and a british citizen, and if Im right then you suck.
I dont know what they teach you people up in canada, but most of you on this forum seem to be some discontented mad men who just loves annoying others with your nonsensical comments. Please leave mr fenwick alone, hes gone and out of the picture so set your sights on angus or some other local bum and leave fenwick be, my goodness man.
Little sensitive- remember this forum is based on a cultural tradition of Trini ' ole talk'
You're either pulling too much or sucking too much stones
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What makes TF a " Trini? - he appears to like:
- bacchanal
- boboll
- rachifee
- being a badjohn
- being Basa basa
- being bragadacious
-being boldface
- rum
- Trini women
- playing politics
- running TTFA
- living in TnT
- working the system
- Liming with people of influence
- could sh..t talk after a game
- is an authority on most things especially on how to run football in TnT
- doing ah little ting to get ah food
why dont you climb off the mans back and let him be? youve publicly paraded the man as a crook because of a measly 20,000 a month, you banged on his integrity you made a mockery of his family and now that hes gone youre back for more? I dont know mate but if I didnt know any better I would think that you have it in for terry just because hes a white man and a british citizen, and if Im right then you suck.
I dont know what they teach you people up in canada, but most of you on this forum seem to be some discontented mad men who just loves annoying others with your nonsensical comments. Please leave mr fenwick alone, hes gone and out of the picture so set your sights on angus or some other local bum and leave fenwick be, my goodness man.
Little sensitive- remember this forum is based on a cultural tradition of Trini ' ole talk'
You're either pulling too much or sucking too much stones
yeh sure youre right about ole talk. no mate you went past ole talk a long time ago, now its in the region of malicious vindictive talk. its ole talk when you do it once twice three times, but when you chose to do a column on the mans salary once a week for the past yearand even now that hes fired and gone a month now yet you persist harping on the same bloody thing, then thats personal IMO. its easy to play it down as ole talk when called on your bullshit, sure hide behind ole talk, but you aint fooling no one with your bigotry and xenophobia. you trinis are so full of it, always trying to act like the world starts and ends with you, yet you cant even organize a living room without mucking it up.
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What makes TF a " Trini? - he appears to like:
- bacchanal
- boboll
- rachifee
- being a badjohn
- being Basa basa
- being bragadacious
-being boldface
- rum
- Trini women
- playing politics
- running TTFA
- living in TnT
- working the system
- Liming with people of influence
- could sh..t talk after a game
- is an authority on most things especially on how to run football in TnT
- doing ah little ting to get ah food
why dont you climb off the mans back and let him be? youve publicly paraded the man as a crook because of a measly 20,000 a month, you banged on his integrity you made a mockery of his family and now that hes gone youre back for more? I dont know mate but if I didnt know any better I would think that you have it in for terry just because hes a white man and a british citizen, and if Im right then you suck.
I dont know what they teach you people up in canada, but most of you on this forum seem to be some discontented mad men who just loves annoying others with your nonsensical comments. Please leave mr fenwick alone, hes gone and out of the picture so set your sights on angus or some other local bum and leave fenwick be, my goodness man.
Little sensitive- remember this forum is based on a cultural tradition of Trini ' ole talk'
You're either pulling too much or sucking too much stones
yeh sure youre right about ole talk. no mate you went past ole talk a long time ago, now its in the region of malicious vindictive talk. its ole talk when you do it once twice three times, but when you chose to do a column on the mans salary once a week for the past yearand even now that hes fired and gone a month now yet you persist harping on the same bloody thing, then thats personal IMO. its easy to play it down as ole talk when called on your bullshit, sure hide behind ole talk, but you aint fooling no one with your bigotry and xenophobia. you trinis are so full of it, always trying to act like the world starts and ends with you, yet you cant even organize a living room without mucking it up.
ok it eh ole talk- so the truth hurts- go take yuh mate and have ah drink ah rum. If you have it out for Trinis why yuh eh go find ah british website and chill.
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i'll do that as soon as you find a canadian website to talk your rubbish.
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Falling-out blamed for failed programme: Bad Wolf Sports reeling after Sunday Express expos
By Denyse Renne (T&T Express)
Part III of an investigation into football scholarships in Trinidad and Tobago.
BAD WOLF SPORTS (BWS) managing director Perry Deakin has blamed a tussle between Police Commissioner Gary Griffith and fired coach Terry Fenwick over Griffiths son not being allowed to play on the national team for the top cops decision to blank BWS scholarship programme.
Following publication of a Sunday Express investigation, headlined Garys Bad Wolf, on June 27, 2021, Deakin wrote Moorland Private School in the UK, stating, ...I believe we have been dragged into the middle of a significant falling-out between Terry Fenwick and Commissioner of Police, Gary Griffith (it seems Terry did not bring his son on as a substitute for his first senior cap in a recent International and they have fallen out quite badly about it). I am absolutely livid that we are being embroiled in this, particularly as we had set out to make a genuine difference with the proposed programme which would impact positively upon youngsters in the region. Fortunately, I have significant written records regarding correspondence with FFF (Football Factory Foundation) and TTPS...
Fenwick is BWS technical director as well as founder and director of FFF, a charitable sports organisation which billed the TTPS $995,000 for expenses related to Griffiths 2019 Commissioners Cup football programme in T&T.
Eyebrows were raise when Gary Griffith III was named by Fenwick as part of the 23-man squad to travel to the Bahamas for a World Cup qualifier on June 5, 2021.
The young Griffith had barely a handful of competitive games in his career and did not have any caps for the T&T team.
Business sponsorship
Deakins e-mail to Moorland noted he had been made aware of an article over in Trinidad which attempts to paint the programme as not genuine and/or suspicious.
BWS were engaged to explore the possibility of creating an on-island programme for T&T youths which we could deliver without the need for the scholars to leave the islandMoorlands delivering educational elements and The Football Factory Foundation delivering practical coaching..., he wrote.
Deakin stated the scholarship concept had established interest among the business community in T&T, with businesses providing sponsorship to the TTPS which would then be diverted to the FFF, which would deliver coaching.
An ongoing Sunday Express investigation has revealed that BWS, which names Fenwick as its technical director, along with his business partners Deakin and Peter Miller, entered into an arrangement with Griffith and, by extension, the T&T Police Service earlier this year to create and deliver on-island BTEC Sporting Scholarship Programmes (Levels 2 and 3) for identified and qualifying scholars across Trinidad and Tobago.
To execute the BTEC programme, Bad Wolf Sports entered into a partnership with Moorland.
The TTPS Sports Club had wired 20,000 to Bad Wolf on May 11, 2021but on June 1, a stop order was placed on the funds.
Responding to questions from the Sunday Express on June 12, Griffith said they (TTPS), received a document from the University (Moorland) asking us to pay the funds through Bad Wolf. Not knowing who Bad Wolf was, the TTPS did its due diligence after which we decided to stop the payment.
Moorland head teacher: No contact with TTPS
In an interview with the Sunday Express on June 30, Moorland head teacher and proprietor Jonathan Harrison indicated neither he nor any representative from the school had contacted the TTPS seeking a partnership.
Harrisons recollection contradicts that made by Griffith who responded to questions sent by the Sunday Express via WhatsApp on June 12, stating he never had any interaction with Bad Wolf and the first time he heard of the company was via a letter from the University of Moorland who wanted a football partnership with the TTPS.
We were approached by Moorland Private School with an offer of scholarships for players in the Commissioners Cup... I need to point out though that we never engaged or had any discussions with Bad Wolf Sports, Griffith stated.
According to Harrison, Moorland School operates as an international coeducational day and boarding school with transparency, integrity and honesty in the development of the whole childs social, emotional, academic and sporting welfare.
The background from a Moorland School perspective, which can be fully supported via e-mail chains is that: Moorland School was approached by Bad Wolf Sports through a mutual acquaintance to work in partnership with The Football Factory Foundation, via Terry Fenwick, your National Football Manager and the Trinidad and Tobago Police Department, under the personal supervision of Commissioner Griffith.
The head teacher explained the nature of this partnership was to provide opportunities for underprivileged youth in T&T, with Moorland offering online technical coaching and academic support to ensure children progressed through a BTEC Level 3 Sports Programme, which is equivalent to three English A-Levels.
Moorland School would also provide additional English language and mathematical support to ensure that students met the qualification entry requirements, he said.
As a gesture of good faith, Harrison explained Moorland was required to deposit 12,000 into Bad Wolf Sports account, (which can be evidenced) to show commitment to the development of the programme and other sponsors would be brought to the table by Bad Wolf Sports, so that course delivery costs could be met.
Harrison said, I feel very upset that it would appear that the school has now lost 12,000 and certainly even more devastated that the school should be linked in any negative way to Trinidad and Tobago, as our reasons for becoming involved were genuine and supportive to the people of the island, as too were our intentions to make friends within the region. I certainly hope that in time something positive will be born out of a programme whose intended aims were to support youth development and promote opportunities within the young.
We acted in good faith
Emphasising that Moorland School has acted 100 per cent in good faith, Harrison said Moorland has received zero payments and zero uptake on the promised programme to date, adding that Bad Wolf Sports have communicated the cause behind the programme delay is a breakdown in relationships between Terry (Fenwick) and Police Commissioner Griffith.
I cannot personally comment as I have never spoken to either gentlemen and perhaps as the headteacher of Moorland School I have been a little naive and trusting as I have not conducted the usual diligence as the connection had been forged by a previously trusted associate.
Pointing out that Moorland are the current regional and national champions of England, having produced many professional players, Harrison said the school currently educates over 20 professional Academy level players for clubs such as Manchester United and Manchester City FC.
Harrison also denied that football great Yaya Tour was in any way linked to the proposed programme.
Bad Wolf, in its proposal to Griffith, had indicated Tour along with Griffith would be ambassadors for the programme.
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Falling-out blamed for failed programme: Bad Wolf Sports reeling after Sunday Express expos
By Denyse Renne (T&T Express)
Part III of an investigation into football scholarships in Trinidad and Tobago.
Business sponsorship
Deakins e-mail to Moorland noted he had been made aware of an article over in Trinidad which attempts to paint the programme as not genuine and/or suspicious.
BWS were engaged to explore the possibility of creating an on-island programme for T&T youths which we could deliver without the need for the scholars to leave the islandMoorlands delivering educational elements and The Football Factory Foundation delivering practical coaching..., he wrote.
Deakin stated the scholarship concept had established interest among the business community in T&T, with businesses providing sponsorship to the TTPS which would then be diverted to the FFF, which would deliver coaching.
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YEAH, TONG TO ARIMA BY 5!! TONG TO ARIMA BY 5!! (sound so familiar).
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Exclusive Interview: Terry Fenwick
By James Rowe (secretfootballer.com)
JR Hi Terry, thanks so much for taking some time out to speak to me at TSF today. Lets go back to west London and Queens Park Rangers, not many people make over 250 appearances for one club
TF I have some wonderful memories from my time at Queens Park Rangers FC and I have to say that I went through quite a successful period at Crystal Palace before that under the great management of Terry Venables. When Terry was sacked at Crystal Palace I was one of three players that he signed along with John Burridge and Mike Flanagan when he took over Queens Park Rangers FC. We went from the old Division One into Division Two. Queens Park Rangers FC were a very fresh and upcoming club under a very innovative Chairman, Jim Gregory. He had a great personality but was a tough old boy with a sense of humour.
But he made a great decision bringing Terry Venables in, and the club really soared. We narrowly missed out on promotion in Terry's first season and we reached the 1982 FA Cup Final where we took Tottenham Hotspur to a replay and really should have won the final.*
We achieved promotion as champions the following season to the old Division One and at the time I was captain of the club. We were the top club in London for three out of five seasons. We were granite at the back and a typical Terry Venables team where everything was really well structured and organized, we were disciplined and we had some terrific players. I played with top players such as Tony Currie who was an outstanding player, Gerry Francis, Clive Allen, Simon Stainrod, John Gregory and David Seaman.
Queens Park Rangers FC were seen as a smaller club in London in comparison to Arsenal FC and Tottenham Hotspur and Chelsea FC who were not nearly as big as they are now. We were probably the best team in West London with Fulham FC our neighbours. We had a great little stadium at Loftus Road and a plastic pitch which was the first ever synthetic surface in Division One. What an experience that was because it made you a better player across the board where your touch had to be impeccable and your passing and movement needed to be pinpoint.
It also made you better for when we played away from home on natural grass. We were absolutely clinical in everything that we did and I remember former Chelsea FC manager Bobby Campbell once called us the mean machine because of how tightly organized and well-drilled we were. We gave nothing up and everything was structured, we were a tough team to beat home and away. I had a wonderful time at Queens Park Rangers FC and Terry Venables was an exceptional manager who was not just a great tactician, he was also a great man manager, and I think that was the key to it all. I had a wonderful time at the Bush, great supporters and across the board we were a top team.
JR Moving on to the other side of the world you managed Trinidad and Tobago, how did that opportunity come up?
TF Well the thing is there that it is a very different environment. I will have been in Trinidad & Tobago for 22 years on 4th January 2022. I came down here on the recommendation of Sir Bobby Robson and I recognized immediately that what they call the Pro League down here was nothing but a development league with ten teams. I came 5th in my first season and got to know in and around what sort of players and what their abilities and mentality were. In my second year I brought in loads of youngsters so that our team were all between 17 and 21 years old. We won the league by a street and we were organized and disciplined. I brought all the things that I had learned over my career into the team and it was something that they were not used to. Other opponents were not nearly as fit and organized as us with players playing in proper positions whereby we were efficient with and without the ball and we pretty much cleaned up.
This was at a time of the infamous Jack Warner who in fact did a great deal for Trinidad and Tobago football but he was seen through different eyes internationally because of the problems and issues within FIFA around the world. It is a different culture. With Jack Warner things were structured and organized and he got sponsors which helped Trinidad & Tobago qualify for the 2006 World Cup in Germany under the tutelage of Leo Beenhakker who did an astonishing job. He gave Trinidad and Tobago a huge springboard and opportunity to go forward but then the wheels came off with Jack and with FIFA. He had not been able to leave the island since that period, one of his sons is housebound in Miami in the United States and he cant move, and the family cannot move to see one another, its a real sad story but that was the game that Jack played.
Lots of money went adrift and corruption and FIFA was in a mess, football pretty much collapsed and the people that took over, did so for the wrong reasons. They wanted to become the next Jack Warner rather than take the game to the next level and the unfortunate thing here in Trinidad & Tobago is that there is some amazing talent within the island, and indeed in the Caribbean region. When you consider the players that have come through here including the Raheem Sterlings and players of that caliber but unfortunately they are wrapped up in a very political and corrupt system where the Caribbean nations are of no use or interest to FIFA really, but they carry the votes for the CONCACAF region, the second biggest voting pool behind UEFA.
How Jack Warner organized the 17 votes within the islands up and down the Caribbean made sure that whatever way USA, Canada and Mexico voted, he could overcome all of them by the fact that little islands such as Grenada, Barbados and Saint Kitts and Nevis were sufficient to keep the votes to keep him at the head of CONCACAF.
So unfortunately I have seen two very different sides of football within the Caribbean region. But I have loved coaching here because it has been very basic and bare, I have started by bringing kids up from 15 through the development ranks and I have won the league with all the clubs that I have been at and qualified for the CONCACAF Champions League. Ive won domestic cups on the island too, but the game unfortunately has dwindled and its become about the individuals that are managing and looking after the administrative side, they are the stars of the show and unfortunately because of the corruption that has followed them it has had a terrible effect on the youngsters who are trying to come through and make a name in football.
JR Tell me about playing for England.
TF Well playing for England and playing for your country my God! I was seven when England won the 1966 World Cup and my favourite player was Sir Bobby Charlton who is from the North East of England, the same as me. It was always top of my list to play for England, I did it, but it was not easy. I played for England at youth and under 21 level and we were actually the first English team to win the European Championship under Dave Sexton and Terry Venables. We had an excellent side and some wonderful players when I look back but out of that group apart from Sammy Lee there were not many of us that went on to play in the first Division.
I would have run through brick walls to achieve playing for England and it was never about money. If you were any good at all and a top player in your position that was reflected in playing for your national team, I was so proud, it was incredible. I have had some wonderful managers during my career, Malcolm Allison was the first and I could not believe that he flew from London as Crystal Palace manager up to the North East of England to watch a 15 year old Terry Fenwick play in a game on a terrible pitch in the pouring rain in County Durham, it blew me away.
He took me and my family to London and took us to a restaurant where I had the first steak I ever had in my life because I was from a coal mining community and everything was very poor. It was such an incredible experience, he gave my Mum a chauffeur and 60 pounds to go and spend in Oxford Street while myself, my Dad and my brother went to watch Crystal Palace play and when my Mum came back she said quietly to my Dad dont worry I have kept 55 pounds because my Dad did not make 60 pounds a month in his job working down the mines.
I had a tough and hard upbringing which was full of love. I suffered very much as a youngster with asthma which made things difficult but I think that gave me the character I have shown all my career, I never give up on anything. I was a tough competitor who always got on with things. I took my knocks and gave knocks out and played the game hard and that helped me. Playing for England, as much as I was proud to do so, you recognized that you were playing for Bobby Robson as well. Everybody was putting themselves on the line for England and Bobby Robson.
JR When I was researching for this interview I noticed that the list of players that youve played alongside reads like a whos who of the best players England has ever produced, could you pick just one from the list?
TF I will tell you who was the best player I ever played alongside, Paul Gascoigne. For maybe three out of five years he was arguably the best player in the world. He could do everything and then he had great ability, skill and no fear at all. He had body strength and he was a little top heavy, the way he played and palmed people off he would box them out the way, he was just an amazing player. Mad as a March hare and as crazy as they come, but you had to respect as a footballer that he was the world's best.
When you look at him hurting himself badly in the 1991 FA Cup Final it took him a long time to get over that and then he went to Italy and blew Italy away, he was the best player in Italy by a country mile playing for SS Lazio. He did great things out there before returning to Great Britain with Rangers FC. I just think that his off the field personality did not suit the actual world class player that he was, but Gazza what a player!
JR So many people in football are in agreement about Gazza. In terms of who youve played against though, theres another maverick whose name jumps off the page
TF Yes, Diego Maradona. What was funny is that Bobby Robson said to me in the dressing room before the game at the Azteca Stadium at the Mexico 86 World Cup, dont worry Terry hes only got one foot. I looked at Bob and he just started to smile, thats what Bobby was like, he eased everyone up and before the game everybody felt confident and positive. The obvious hand of God goal was handball. I am still positive today that England had a better eleven than Argentina, but they had the best player in the world.
I dont think Diego Maradona was coachable. He did whatever he wanted to do in the game regardless of who he played against, but then I am sure the other ten players were just told whenever you get the ball give it to Diego and let him do his work. He was just incredible, what a player! I tried to rough him up and God he was as solid as a rock. I hit him once in the second half and he was off the pitch for four and a half minutes and to my amazement I saw him warming up on the side of the pitch ready to come back on, I was thinking, my God what have I got to do to stop this man?
He came on the pitch and the first thing he did was start talking to me saying that he had been roughed up all around the world playing for different teams, FC Barcelona and SSC Napoli, he must have taken his knocks but what an absolute genius with the ball. It was like it was stuck to his left foot and he was as strong as an ox too. What a personality, he came from a tough environment and upbringing where you had to take your knocks and move on and get on with life. Diego Maradona, what a player!
JR Youve mentioned Malcolm Allison and Sir Bobby Robson as great managers. Tell me a little bit more about how coaching and management has influenced you."
TF In my youth development I probably had the best youth development coach in the country, a guy called John Cartwright who came from the West Ham United academy. He went on to do great things for England and taught me how to play almost every position. I played centre back for most of my career but if Terry told me that I had to play centre forward today, I could get on with it. I could read the game and that is what these top coaches, Terry Venables in particular, and Malcolm Allison, did for you. They had you thinking about the game first, and a lot of the players that I played with might not have been technically the best players but they could read the game and see what was coming next and react.
My early life as a footballer under these coaches was amazing because as I moved on in my football career and had different coaches, I could see the vast difference from the quality that I had with these guys. Bobby Robson was one of your own. We were both from the North of England and he was such a lovely man, he knew his football and he was a great man manager and an astonishing individual. I am not sure if managers do this today James, but as England manager Bobby Robson would drive you mad during the week, he would be on the phone two or three times a week all through the season. It was not like you saw him when you turned up to play for England and he was touching base behind the scenes and going to games watching players and giving players information of how he could have dealt with things better for example. It was just like wow! That was the measure of the man and that was his man management.
Terry Venables took me from Crystal Palace to QPR and when I look back at my career, Terry Venables for me is the one coach that carries everything. He had the man management skills although not quite the same as Bobby, but his expertise and excellence was his structure and organization and the little detailed things. I learned from Terry to get the little things right and the bigger things will all fall into place, that is what football is about, the finer details where we would think we missed that, we did not see this etc.. and it could be as simple as using the outside of your foot for that pass rather than your instep.
It might have been making that curved run instead of a straight run, little things that would pass you by, he would pull you on the training ground and go through it and then he would have you practicing. That ensured that everybody got on the same page and everybody knew their position, if you were playing centre back and you ended up on the left wing you could play as a left winger because that is the coaching that came with it, and wherever you landed on that field of play you were comfortable receiving the ball and getting the ball and you knew what the next move was, he was tremendous. Sir Bobby Robson and Terry Venables were the two best. Terry Venables, my mentor."
* QPR lost the 1982 FA Cup final to Tottenham courtesy of a Glenn Hoddle penalty.
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Falling-out blamed for failed programme: Bad Wolf Sports reeling after Sunday Express expos
By Denyse Renne (T&T Express)
Part III of an investigation into football scholarships in Trinidad and Tobago.
BAD WOLF SPORTS (BWS) managing director Perry Deakin has blamed a tussle between Police Commissioner Gary Griffith and fired coach Terry Fenwick over Griffiths son not being allowed to play on the national team for the top cops decision to blank BWS scholarship programme.
Following publication of a Sunday Express investigation, headlined Garys Bad Wolf, on June 27, 2021, Deakin wrote Moorland Private School in the UK, stating, ...I believe we have been dragged into the middle of a significant falling-out between Terry Fenwick and Commissioner of Police, Gary Griffith (it seems Terry did not bring his son on as a substitute for his first senior cap in a recent International and they have fallen out quite badly about it). I am absolutely livid that we are being embroiled in this, particularly as we had set out to make a genuine difference with the proposed programme which would impact positively upon youngsters in the region. Fortunately, I have significant written records regarding correspondence with FFF (Football Factory Foundation) and TTPS...
Fenwick is BWS technical director as well as founder and director of FFF, a charitable sports organisation which billed the TTPS $995,000 for expenses related to Griffiths 2019 Commissioners Cup football programme in T&T.
Eyebrows were raise when Gary Griffith III was named by Fenwick as part of the 23-man squad to travel to the Bahamas for a World Cup qualifier on June 5, 2021.
The young Griffith had barely a handful of competitive games in his career and did not have any caps for the T&T team.
Business sponsorship
Deakins e-mail to Moorland noted he had been made aware of an article over in Trinidad which attempts to paint the programme as not genuine and/or suspicious.
BWS were engaged to explore the possibility of creating an on-island programme for T&T youths which we could deliver without the need for the scholars to leave the islandMoorlands delivering educational elements and The Football Factory Foundation delivering practical coaching..., he wrote.
Deakin stated the scholarship concept had established interest among the business community in T&T, with businesses providing sponsorship to the TTPS which would then be diverted to the FFF, which would deliver coaching.
An ongoing Sunday Express investigation has revealed that BWS, which names Fenwick as its technical director, along with his business partners Deakin and Peter Miller, entered into an arrangement with Griffith and, by extension, the T&T Police Service earlier this year to create and deliver on-island BTEC Sporting Scholarship Programmes (Levels 2 and 3) for identified and qualifying scholars across Trinidad and Tobago.
To execute the BTEC programme, Bad Wolf Sports entered into a partnership with Moorland.
The TTPS Sports Club had wired 20,000 to Bad Wolf on May 11, 2021but on June 1, a stop order was placed on the funds.
Responding to questions from the Sunday Express on June 12, Griffith said they (TTPS), received a document from the University (Moorland) asking us to pay the funds through Bad Wolf. Not knowing who Bad Wolf was, the TTPS did its due diligence after which we decided to stop the payment.
Moorland head teacher: No contact with TTPS
In an interview with the Sunday Express on June 30, Moorland head teacher and proprietor Jonathan Harrison indicated neither he nor any representative from the school had contacted the TTPS seeking a partnership.
Harrisons recollection contradicts that made by Griffith who responded to questions sent by the Sunday Express via WhatsApp on June 12, stating he never had any interaction with Bad Wolf and the first time he heard of the company was via a letter from the University of Moorland who wanted a football partnership with the TTPS.
We were approached by Moorland Private School with an offer of scholarships for players in the Commissioners Cup... I need to point out though that we never engaged or had any discussions with Bad Wolf Sports, Griffith stated.
According to Harrison, Moorland School operates as an international coeducational day and boarding school with transparency, integrity and honesty in the development of the whole childs social, emotional, academic and sporting welfare.
The background from a Moorland School perspective, which can be fully supported via e-mail chains is that: Moorland School was approached by Bad Wolf Sports through a mutual acquaintance to work in partnership with The Football Factory Foundation, via Terry Fenwick, your National Football Manager and the Trinidad and Tobago Police Department, under the personal supervision of Commissioner Griffith.
The head teacher explained the nature of this partnership was to provide opportunities for underprivileged youth in T&T, with Moorland offering online technical coaching and academic support to ensure children progressed through a BTEC Level 3 Sports Programme, which is equivalent to three English A-Levels.
Moorland School would also provide additional English language and mathematical support to ensure that students met the qualification entry requirements, he said.
As a gesture of good faith, Harrison explained Moorland was required to deposit 12,000 into Bad Wolf Sports account, (which can be evidenced) to show commitment to the development of the programme and other sponsors would be brought to the table by Bad Wolf Sports, so that course delivery costs could be met.
Harrison said, I feel very upset that it would appear that the school has now lost 12,000 and certainly even more devastated that the school should be linked in any negative way to Trinidad and Tobago, as our reasons for becoming involved were genuine and supportive to the people of the island, as too were our intentions to make friends within the region. I certainly hope that in time something positive will be born out of a programme whose intended aims were to support youth development and promote opportunities within the young.
We acted in good faith
Emphasising that Moorland School has acted 100 per cent in good faith, Harrison said Moorland has received zero payments and zero uptake on the promised programme to date, adding that Bad Wolf Sports have communicated the cause behind the programme delay is a breakdown in relationships between Terry (Fenwick) and Police Commissioner Griffith.
I cannot personally comment as I have never spoken to either gentlemen and perhaps as the headteacher of Moorland School I have been a little naive and trusting as I have not conducted the usual diligence as the connection had been forged by a previously trusted associate.
Pointing out that Moorland are the current regional and national champions of England, having produced many professional players, Harrison said the school currently educates over 20 professional Academy level players for clubs such as Manchester United and Manchester City FC.
Harrison also denied that football great Yaya Tour was in any way linked to the proposed programme.
Bad Wolf, in its proposal to Griffith, had indicated Tour along with Griffith would be ambassadors for the programme.
Didn't even realize this game done and bout 5 others started. I must be real doozing off and loosing interest with meh old self.
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Terry Fenwick joins Durham City as a Celebrity Citizen
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Durham City AFC today launched their Celebrity Citizens initiative as part of their strategy to re-engage with community sectors across the Durham County region.
I am pleased to announce that local lad Terry Fenwick has agreed to join our team of Celebrity Citizens said club chairman Chris Tanner. Terry was born in Seaham and recently told me he watched plenty of Durham City games as a boy. Tanner added.
Fenwick was born in Seaham in 1959, and went on to make 455 appearances in the Football League for Crystal Palace, Queens Park Rangers, Tottenham Hotspur, Leicester City and Swindon Town. He also made twenty appearances for England from 1984 to 1988, and represented the country at the 1986 FIFA World Cup. He also embarked on a managerial career, with his most recent appointment being National Team coach of Trinidad and Tobago, where he has lived for over 20 years.
Im honoured and proud to be asked to be a part of this initiative by Durham City. I know the club is working hard to re-establish themselves after some hard times, and I hope my input and relationship with club management will help The Citizens achieve said Fenwick from his home in Trinidad. Theyve already booked me in to visit St. Cuthberts Hospice on my next trip home, and I look forward to that Fenwick added.
The Celebrity Citizens initiative is designed to link the club with notable people of Durham County past and present. Durham City AFC know that community engagement is an area where they must improve, and this is the first of many planned announcements of new signings.