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Title: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Tallman on May 24, 2005, 01:56:47 PM
Fenwick wants Pro Bowl title - as Jabloteh seeks revenge
By Joel Villafana (ttproleague.com)


CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh have not won a major title since 2003, when they won the Pro League title—but come Friday 27th May—the San Juan Giants will be putting everything on the line as they will be seeking revenge—when they come face to face with their long time rivals W Connection in the 2005 Pro Bowl Finals.

Jabloteh, who lost to W Connection on penalty kicks in last years Pro Bowl Final—and they will be eager to settle the score and most importantly capture a major national title.

Head coach English born Terry Fenwick who has returned to Jabloteh this season, is accustomed to success in the T&T Pro League. Fenwick led Jabloteh in his first stint here, back in 2001/2002 to the League title, but in recent times the San Juan based unit have been going through a lean patch and according to Fenwick that is about to change.

The proud Englishman told ‘ttproleague.com’, “A win on Friday night in the Pro Bowl final over W Connection is just what we need at this stage.”

“It would be great to get a title in the bag early on, it could certainly change the outlook on the rest of the season for our players.”

The former Northampton Coach, is clear on his job, saying “When I left here back in 2002, I left what I considered to be the best team in the Caribbean and on my return that standard has slipped somewhat and my job is to bring back the club to the heights where I left it.”

Coach Fenwick is not taking anything for granted, knowing fully well their opponents in the final W Connection will be no easy task.

He said, “I have seen Connection play, and they have grown into a very good team with a few outstanding players, but we will be going into the game not phased at all, the boys know what the game means to the club and we will be prepared and ready to do our best.”

San Juan Jabloteh and W Connection will meet in the Pro Bowl Final on Friday 27 May, 2005 at the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium.

Title: We told them so, says Terry Fenwick.
Post by: Flex on April 26, 2006, 09:37:57 AM
We told them so, says Terry Fenwick.
By: Joel Villafana.
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Jabloteh’s Head Coach Terry Fenwick promised before the start of the 2006 season that his team would be the team to beat this year, and so far his prophetic words are proving true.
Jabloteh have recorded their 4th victory in as many games, defeating
Starworld Strikers (1-0), Tobago United, (5-0), Superstar Rangers, (4-0),
and Defence Force (4-0).
The San Juan based team is flying high and sit on top of the ten-team table on maximum 12 points, two clear of their arch rivals W Connection.
Terry Fenwick, told ttproleague.com, “I am totally delighted with the team’s performance, the boys have done really well so far and they deserve to be on top of the standings. It has been not as easy as the results may show however, we had a tough first game against Starworld Strikers where we came away 1-0 winners, but since then the boys have settled into a nice rhythm and they look unstoppable, every time they attack they look like they can score a goal.”
The former English International was quick to point out that the race is far
from over.
“This is just a great start and that is important, but we will not be
getting ahead of ourselves, we are aware we have some big games coming up against North East, Joe Public and W Connection, but my philosophy has always been to take one game at a time and that’s what we will be doing.”
He continued, “We want to win everything there is to win this season and we will be preparing ourselves in such a way that teams will have to do very, very well to beat us.”
Jabloteh next take on North East Stars, before going on to defend its Pro
Bowl title in May.. No less than ten locally based professionals will take the field in a Trinidad and Tobago President’s Eleven outfit against Grenada’s National team in two friendly internationals on Tuesday 25 April and Thursday 27 April.
Jabloteh’s Aurtis Whitley, Anthony Wolfe, Cyd Gray as well as the club’s
skipper Kerry Baptiste and Trent Noel, W Connection’s David Atiba Charles
and Jan Michael Williams, North East Stars Gary Glasgow, and United
Petrotrin’s Anthony Rougier will all be in the mix.
National Assistant Coach Anton Corneal told ttproleague.com, these matches are crucial to the Trinidad and Tobago’s World Cup preparation.
“This is an opportunity for the local players to show what they have to
offer and to get some of them up to speed before the Peru match on May
10th.”
Mr. Corneal also added, “All these players, especially the guys on the
reserve list and even those not on the list, must come out and give of their best, and keep themselves fit and ready, because the possibility of one or two players forcing their way into the final squad for Germany is a strong likelihood.”
“The fact is we have before us a run of at least seven matches before the
first game at the world cup against Sweden, and injuries may come up with certain players, and it is important the technical staff are able to call on suitable replacements.”
Title: Re: We told them so, says Terry Fenwick.
Post by: Jah Gol on April 26, 2006, 10:11:01 AM
The team is playing well yes but they haven't played NE Stars, Joe or Connection yet.
Title: Re: We told them so, says Terry Fenwick.
Post by: Pointman on April 26, 2006, 10:58:35 AM
wow! dem boy ent conceed ah goal as yet oui...impressive.

Let's see how long they can maintain this streak. :beermug:
Title: Re: We told them so, says Terry Fenwick.
Post by: kingman on April 26, 2006, 01:18:33 PM
Go Jabloteh  :wavetowel: Show them how real professional teams get the job done.

Kingman
Title: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: PEG on June 03, 2006, 11:45:12 PM
Terry Fenwick has been choosing his words carefully since Trinidad and Tobago became the smallest nation ever to qualify for the World Cup finals.

The former England defender, who famously missed a tackle on Diego Maradona that led to the Argentinian's "goal of the century" at the 1986 World Cup in Mexico, now manages one of the leading club sides in the tiny, twin-island state.

It makes him uniquely qualified to assess the prospects of the national team, the Soca Warriors, but it also gives him a tricky problem. The last thing he wants to do is to offend the country where he now lives.

"In Germany I can't see them being a threat to anyone, although I can't really say that here," he confided. "It's been rolling

off my tongue to the local media here that it will be England and Trinidad who will qualify for the later rounds, but I can't really see it happening if I'm honest. I mean, they're talking about bringing the World Cup home every day on the radio. It's unbelievable."

Fenwick, 46, will have to be mindful of local sensitivities when he travels to Germany to commentate for Trinidad television on the Soca Warriors' clash with England in Nuremberg on June 15. But, privately, he fears the worst. "Personally, I think it's a case of not embarrassing themselves in Germany," he said.

"I wouldn't want them to be battered, but I think England are capable of battering them. Everybody is also under-estimating Sweden. The one game where they feel they might be able to nick something is against Paraguay, but that is their last group game. Basically, the team qualified through the back door. They were the oldest squad in the CONCACAF region and they'll be one of the oldest squads at the World Cup.

"When you're relying on players like Russell Latapy, who's 38, and Dwight Yorke, who's 34, there are no great legs around the team and there's no energy. Leo Beenhakker has done a great job as coach in a short period of time but he has not brought a great deal of youth or athleticism into the side."

Fenwick, who is in his second spell as manager of San Juan Jabloteh in Trinidad and Tobago's Pro-League, has the unenviable distinction of holding the worst disciplinary record by an England player at the World Cup finals - three bookings in separate matches in 1986, the second of which earned a one-match suspension.

An incident last November shows he has not exactly mellowed, either. When his side conceded a goal against W Connection, scorer Gefferson Da Silva made the mistake of celebrating too close to the Jabloteh bench. He was felled by a Fenwick elbow, sparking a full-scale punch-up between both sets of players. Fenwick was initially banned from the touchline for 12 matches but the punishment was reduced to four games on appeal.

Fenwick, who played for Queens Park Rangers, Crystal Palace and Tottenham before switching to management at Portsmouth and then Northampton, is honest in his assessment of the standard of the domestic league. ''It's very poor," he said. "I think there are exceptions, but they don't have the structure here. Most of the better players find themselves looking for football scholarships in the States and the few who are really good end up in the UK, mainly in the lower leagues. But in my eyes they are not a threat to England at all."

Of Trinidad's 23-man squad, 15 ply their trade in Britain, though the team's outstanding player, Aurtis Whitley, is coached by Fenwick at Jabloteh.

Fenwick says Whitley, a skilful midfielder, is to the Soca Warriors what Brian Lara is to Trinidadian cricket, but he is concerned about his temperament.

"He's a top player but he's 27 with the mental attitude of a 17-year-old and I think the big occasion could be too much for him. In fact, I would say that about all of the local players. Aurtis went to Portsmouth two months ago and he was meant to be there for two weeks, but after three days he was on the phone to me wanting to come home."

Fenwick worries that, after so much pre-World Cup hype, the country could be facing a big let-down. "You turn the radio on and hear people saying that Trinidad and Tobago are going to win the World Cup," he said. "Whereas in England we would celebrate on the night of qualification and we might have a hangover the next morning, they haven't stopped partying since they qualified back in November.

"Even the carnival here, which is huge, is all of a sudden being linked with football and the carnival costumes have got footballs all over them. It's all gone really overboard."

 



Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Kingk on June 04, 2006, 12:03:38 AM

"I wouldn't want them to be battered, but I think England are capable of battering them. Everybody is also under-estimating Sweden. The one game where they feel they might be able to nick something is against Paraguay, but that is their last group game. Basically, the team qualified through the back door. They were the oldest squad in the CONCACAF region and they'll be one of the oldest squads at the World Cup.



sounds like ppl back home yep lol
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: rippin on June 04, 2006, 12:17:55 AM
What is the source?
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: UK_Soca_warrior on June 04, 2006, 01:31:05 AM
He is making good points, and his assessment about local football is true. I dont know about the phone-ins and "we gonna win the world cup" cus I not in TnT to hear it. But I sure its just joke really. And if he think Trinidad is bad, England is 1000 times worst. Every tournament they have

"the best defence, best midfielders, and best forwards in the WORLD-WE win win IT!!!"   ???     But yet they never do!

So their hype in the UK is rediculous and way unjustified.

But I agree that some of our players may act like they ready, but maybe not ready for big time football. I think Beenhakker touched on that point just before the playoffs with Bahrain.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: fishs on June 04, 2006, 01:43:38 AM
  Fenwick eh inTrinidad long enuff to know de difference between...

   Trini ole talk
 
   Rumshop talk

   Mamaguy

   Fatigue

   BS

   Day dreaming

  An de Gladiator.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: croc on June 04, 2006, 01:47:44 AM
Tuff s*it yuh go eat yuh words!!!!
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: thane on June 04, 2006, 02:25:36 AM
problem with us as trini...we dont take the truth to nice at times...always want to hear what sounds good.....he made valid ppoints...
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: UK_Soca_warrior on June 04, 2006, 03:04:20 AM
problem with us as trini...we dont take the truth to nice at times...always want to hear what sounds good.....he made valid ppoints...

100% in agreement! I am fully patriotic, but I am a realist. And the point he made about our players not being ready for the big occaisions has validity. Which is what I fear. Too many examples of freezing when needing to perform.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Coop's on June 04, 2006, 03:32:44 AM
This is not bad talking anybody,this is reality,though the timing of it is bad it's something i've always said "we have to wake up".
      What i appreciate about these things is that it takes foreigners to expose them to us,a local coach can't do or say anything wrong about Latapy,Yorke,Witley etc etc and this is one of the differences with coaches that we bring home,these guys are professionals and they will make the tough decisions when the time comes without fear or favour.
      I'm sure Fenwick might be looking for a job in T&T when all this is over,Beenie may go also because we are just not ready,we give the wrong people a hard time in T&T Football, that's our Coaches,no Trini could critique our Football or Footballers else they in trouble big time,Alvin,Gally,Bsc etc etc
       I have certain things i want to say but after the WC.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: royal on June 04, 2006, 04:38:49 AM
  Fenwick eh inTrinidad long enuff to know de difference between...

   Trini ole talk
 
   Rumshop talk

   Mamaguy

   Fatigue

   BS

   Day dreaming

  An de Gladiator.


It look like Beenie knows more than him ?
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: PortValeChris on June 04, 2006, 05:16:03 AM
I can't see what the problem is,  the soca warriors are in the world cup so enjoy it.  THere's nothing wrong with saying that you're going to win it.  My team Port Vale are going to win the FA cup and win the league or get promoted every season, but we never do. 
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Carib-Briton on June 04, 2006, 05:35:16 AM
I can't see what the problem is,  the soca warriors are in the world cup so enjoy it.  THere's nothing wrong with saying that you're going to win it.  My team Port Vale are going to win the FA cup and win the league or get promoted every season, but we never do. 
:rotfl:
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: pass(10trini) on June 04, 2006, 06:45:10 AM
I can't see what the problem is,  the soca warriors are in the world cup so enjoy it.  THere's nothing wrong with saying that you're going to win it.  My team Port Vale are going to win the FA cup and win the league or get promoted every season, but we never do. 

That is just de supporters. If the supporters not optimistic who will be watching the mathces in the stands :D :wavetowel:
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Brej on June 04, 2006, 07:44:57 AM
leave de man
he sayin what everyone else sayin
only we know de truth
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Midknight on June 04, 2006, 07:50:36 AM
  Fenwick eh inTrinidad long enuff to know de difference between...

   Trini ole talk
 
   Rumshop talk

   Mamaguy

   Fatigue

   BS

   Day dreaming

  An de Gladiator.

For real fishes...btw good to see you posting

Add ROBBER TALK to that list. ;)

The only people who seriously think we go win the world cup weren't paying attention to football until the Mexico or the Bahrain games.

If Fenwick want to take them on, let him do it...
All the man doing is basically admitting that he's a hypocrite in the international press...
So what the hell if we've been partying since November? England still talking about 1966 like if was yesterday...Fast and outta place is what I call it.

Yes there will be a letdown if we don't do well...all the waggonists go go back to their regularly scheduled programs. Whatever...we got there with the support of a few; we will go back there with that support all in good time.

STEUPS
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 04, 2006, 08:28:25 AM
what get me vex is this whitley boy ahh boy dont want to aspire

Fenwick says Whitley, a skilful midfielder, is to the Soca Warriors what Brian Lara is to Trinidadian cricket, but he is concerned about his temperament.

"He's a top player but he's 27 with the mental attitude of a 17-year-old and I think the big occasion could be too much for him. In fact, I would say that about all of the local players. Aurtis went to Portsmouth two months ago and he was meant to be there for two weeks, but after three days he was on the phone to me wanting to come home."


Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Organic on June 04, 2006, 08:34:34 AM
This is not bad talking anybody,this is reality,though the timing of it is bad it's something i've always said "we have to wake up".
      What i appreciate about these things is that it takes foreigners to expose them to us,a local coach can't do or say anything wrong about Latapy,Yorke,Witley etc etc and this is one of the differences with coaches that we bring home,these guys are professionals and they will make the tough decisions when the time comes without fear or favour.
      I'm sure Fenwick might be looking for a job in T&T when all this is over,Beenie may go also because we are just not ready,we give the wrong people a hard time in T&T Football, that's our Coaches,no Trini could critique our Football or Footballers else they in trouble big time,Alvin,Gally,Bsc etc etc
       I have certain things i want to say but after the WC.
please eh...we know fully well we not winning the world cup but y cant we say we winig? de man playing he trade in trini.. dais silly o fhim to open his mouth. if he was alot of other places in de world he dare not say that. he know we go jus complain and go take a shota rum after. at any rate  time will tell.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 04, 2006, 08:36:00 AM
This is not bad talking anybody,this is reality,though the timing of it is bad it's something i've always said "we have to wake up".
      What i appreciate about these things is that it takes foreigners to expose them to us,a local coach can't do or say anything wrong about Latapy,Yorke,Witley etc etc and this is one of the differences with coaches that we bring home,these guys are professionals and they will make the tough decisions when the time comes without fear or favour.
      I'm sure Fenwick might be looking for a job in T&T when all this is over,Beenie may go also because we are just not ready,we give the wrong people a hard time in T&T Football, that's our Coaches,no Trini could critique our Football or Footballers else they in trouble big time,Alvin,Gally,Bsc etc etc
       I have certain things i want to say but after the WC.
please eh...we know fully well we not winning the world cup but y cant we say we winig? de man playing he trade in trini.. dais silly o fhim to open his mouth. if he was alot of other places in de world he dare not say that. he know we go jus complain and go take a shota rum after. at any rate  time will tell.

The man is talking the truth
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Trinimassive on June 04, 2006, 08:38:19 AM
what get me vex is this

Fenwick says Whitley, a skilful midfielder, is to the Soca Warriors what Brian Lara is to Trinidadian cricket, but he is concerned about his temperament.

"He's a top player but he's 27 with the mental attitude of a 17-year-old and I think the big occasion could be too much for him. In fact, I would say that about all of the local players. Aurtis went to Portsmouth two months ago and he was meant to be there for two weeks, but after three days he was on the phone to me wanting to come home."



Is he serious about this?

Triniman the funny thing is that it probably true too. It doesn't sound that strange. Maybe he shouldn't air the fella out so but he and Jabloteh probably pissed because that could have been their best chance of gettin some decent transfer money. But Whitley was missin he honey and wanted some trini sugar so he cry...that sound very realistic :D
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: RasIred on June 04, 2006, 08:53:17 AM
I did not find anything offensive in what he said. Some Trinidadians feel the same way Fenwick feels. The man supporting we, but on the other hand he being a bit realistic. It is his opinion, but he not far off at all. Right now u only hear bout T&T vs England.........like we only playing one match.

Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: maxg on June 04, 2006, 08:55:12 AM
Every week I winning the blasted  million lottery, does buy six tickets.....yes ah know the odds of winning, yes ah know statitics say, it only have like 100 ppl who win...and I and millions of ppl buy still...is human nature to dream...."IF yuh doh have ah tkt, yuh doh have ah chance"...the odds of winning the WC better than the Lottery, why shouldn't some ppl dream...as long as ppl not spending plenty of the money before they win it,then wha is the problem,  cyah even do that with WC.......Bet Fenwick wa T&T beat England too .....then he could go back home and "Breakin News...Terry Fenwick coaches many of the T&T locals, that beat our boys", send him ah EPL contract...etc...etc..he is also to the agent for that "Wotley" chracter as well....sign the "wasley" and give a finders to Terry...bloh...bloh..
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: MEP on June 04, 2006, 09:02:41 AM
The man is being brutally honest....although no one can predict what will happen our whole level of football is substandard
Title: Terry Fenwick Criticizes Beenhakkers Selections----Do You Agree?
Post by: Foreigner on June 04, 2006, 09:08:02 AM
"Leo Beenhakker has done a great job as coach in a short period of time but he has not brought a great deal of youth or athleticism into the side."

The following quote was taken from an article in another thread which focused on Terry Fenwicks supposed dissing of the Trinidad team's chances in the World Cup.  However, I thought the most damning statement he made in this article was the above quote.  This to me is the strongest criticism of Beenhakker to date; also coming from someone who knows something about our local players and system and has credibility and no known axe to grind with Beenie.  So assuming and given the available soccer pool for TnT, did Beenie do a proper job on selection?
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Arimaman on June 04, 2006, 09:08:09 AM
Although he is telling the truth, this should tell you how "ignorant" he is.  He saying this to the English media and not thinking it will end up on the web or in the trini newspapers?  Regardless of whether he is telling the truth or not, most people would not appeciate what he is saying.

Nonetheless, he mostly right though.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: AB.Trini on June 04, 2006, 09:35:27 AM

I will like to take a different perspective on the issue and although confronting the brutal facts and being honest is not an unwarranted trait, however using tact and  offering solutions are in my opinion even deserving of desirable traits.

Imagine one is offered a job to coach a team in a country where that person's skills, experience and expertise could enhance the program but instead of working in ways to enhance the overall program, one offers  criticism of the said program. First, I know the person's job is not to work with  the national program but do you think there are ways in which  he could work to improve the program? What solutions or what actions could one take to offer assistance? ummmm......

 I am not  disputing nor am I refuting the content of the criticism but in so much as trying to discern what contributions the  said speaker could have played in the selection, preparation and consultation of our national team. Given once more that he is familiar with our professional league, has a international experience and expertise and most of all has an opinion.

Does anyone know if he was ever consulted or considered to be a part of this campaign? Could he have worked on the staff with BSC in the initial stages? could he have been part of the  entourage to select and to  train a locally based squad?

Are his comments partly out of a sense of being omitted for consideration considering that he was available? Was this a short sight on the TTFF or was he just not good enough  to work with our team in any capacity?

It must be somewhat challenging to be an English national, and hearing the  local bantering on the radio about your country. I would hope that Mr.Fenwick is wise enough and astute enough to discern what is we 'ole talk' bravado and what is wishful thinking and hoping. Too often the foreign press is guilty of associating our pride ,our elation and  our expression of displaying our joy with a 'carnival attitude Cultural stereotypical comments are not conductive to an accurate portrayal of TNT. It is not every year  nor is it a given that a country of our size get to this world stage and these celebrations and our display of affection for our team must be taken in relative context to the event.

With all due respect I applaud the honesty and the brutal reality but I detest the tact.

 Respectfully submitted.

Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: UK_Soca_warrior on June 04, 2006, 09:50:26 AM
Personally, I think the guy is being brutally honest, and his comments are nothing compared to the comments you hear from US/European/British press. For those of you who get Eurosport, allyuh hear their comments??

"Czech Rep are 135-1 to win the tournament and real dark horses, Trinidad are just 1000-1 to score a goal!"  Ouch!!! Trini vs Czech

"You'll get long odds for Trinidad to play a 4th game at the world cup"
Trini Vs Czech

"The marking was absolutely dreadful, appawling defending at this level" - Trini Vs Slovenia

"Finally a shot on goal! Good move from T'n'T. You were wondering for a minute why or how they'd qualified"  Trini vs Slovenia

"England would have no problems against this team, nothing for Sven to worry about- BBC full time comments-Trini Vs Wales



So all in all, Fenwick aint "bad talking" we per se, he being honest. And there are far more stinging critisism on Trinidads performances in other press.

Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Blue on June 04, 2006, 10:27:21 AM
Although he is telling the truth, this should tell you how "ignorant" he is.  He saying this to the English media and not thinking it will end up on the web or in the trini newspapers?  Regardless of whether he is telling the truth or not, most people would not appeciate what he is saying.

Nonetheless, he mostly right though.

Our players do the same thing in our local papers
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Padams on June 04, 2006, 10:49:06 AM
  Fenwick eh inTrinidad long enuff to know de difference between...

   Trini ole talk
 
   Rumshop talk

   Mamaguy

   Fatigue

   BS

   Day dreaming

  An de Gladiator.


My sentiments exactly...
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: ZURITRESS on June 04, 2006, 10:58:56 AM
is this about someone who earns a living by hocking our players to his foriegn connections or someone's critisism of 23 players that have nothing to do with the persumed trinidad mindset. i read about a month ago this same clown bigging up whitley being one of the most girted players he has ever been around, but as it seems the player's mentalty will not bring him profit he now must destroy his charector. foreign coaches bring a needed perspective to our football culture but let's not just wave a white flag on any comments that even with truths in them shows a lack of class. because truth be told the carribean mentality is what it is , like any other culture it has its good and bad but if you are going to make a living in it have some respect for it. not only when it benifits you
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Peong on June 04, 2006, 11:41:00 AM
I only studyin his comments on Whitley's Pompey trial.  Look like Whitley can't handle bein away from home.  That is disappointing if it true.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Bourbon on June 04, 2006, 11:48:00 AM
I only studyin his comments on Whitley's Pompey trial.  Look like Whitley can't handle bein away from home.  That is disappointing if it true.

Well i wouldnt doubt it. I remember whitley said one reason he couldnt handle ( i cant remember if is a club in portugal or something when he used to play away) was he didnt know the language, and jus wasnt comfortable. I could understand if you missing home but if yuh want to realise yuh potential.....yuh hadda make sacrifices.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Criticizes Beenhakkers Selections----Do You Agree?
Post by: dombasil on June 04, 2006, 11:57:24 AM
  So assuming and given the available soccer pool for TnT, did Beenie do a proper job on selection?

With the talent available I think that he picked the best team. The level of play in the PFL is not of the highest quality.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Trini _2026 on June 04, 2006, 12:17:59 PM
I only studyin his comments on Whitley's Pompey trial.  Look like Whitley can't handle bein away from home.  That is disappointing if it true.

Well i wouldnt doubt it. I remember whitley said one reason he couldnt handle ( i cant remember if is a club in portugal or something when he used to play away) was he didnt know the language, and jus wasnt comfortable. I could understand if you missing home but if yuh want to realise yuh potential.....yuh hadda make sacrifices.

naw he said they did not fix the heat in portugal or sumthing so he was cold for two weeks and he did not hear from his agent.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: AB.Trini on June 04, 2006, 12:20:56 PM
yuh know bigger fish than we (France) went in that pond and did not even score a goal or drink the water. So leh we put things in perspective.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: AZZURRI on June 04, 2006, 12:52:16 PM
what i find making it worse is he jus playin up to the Trinidad media...and then tellin the UK press thas what he been doin
d man playin us...and gonna commentate for us?!? nah...i find he hadda lose that wuk one time!

he not suppost to be even coachin in PFL after that madness last yr....
anybody have that clip saved? when he elbowed Goulart?
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Socapro on June 04, 2006, 12:52:32 PM
sometimes an honest opinion is not what is required at a time like this ;)

I fully agree with you! Everything the man say is true but why this honesty now in truth?! If man & dem home want to believe that T&T will be bringing home the World Cup then let them believe that for flipping sake! Dat is exactly the sort of blind support and loyalty we team need right now to inspire them to their best possible performance! In fact I want all the players to also believe we can bring home the World Cup and even Beenie we coach despite what he said the other day expressing his view that T&T will not win the World Cup in an effort to give T&T fans back home a dose of reality.

The bit of the article that had me cracking up the most was the bit that said this:

Fenwick worries that, after so much pre-World Cup hype, the country could be facing a big let-down. "You turn the radio on and hear people saying that Trinidad and Tobago are going to win the World Cup," he said. "Whereas in England we would celebrate on the night of qualification and we might have a hangover the next morning, they haven't stopped partying since they qualified back in November.

"Even the carnival here, which is huge, is all of a sudden being linked with football and the carnival costumes have got footballs all over them. It's all gone really overboard."
 :rotfl: :rotfl:

I real love meh Trini people yes! :-* We are definitely the best partyers in the World!
If only the World Cup was based on who could party better than who we will definitely be bringing home the cup but that besides the point!! This is not the time for too much honestly in my opinion as a die-hard T&T football supporter! This is the time for blind support & loyalty so yes I too say T&T has a chance like any of the other top teams of winning the damn World Cup yes! ;)

Go Soca Warriors Go, lets bring the World Cup home and steal England's thunder!  ;D
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: essexgirl22 on June 04, 2006, 01:02:40 PM
Face reality    he is only saying what a lot of us knows but refuses to believe :rotfl:
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: real madness on June 04, 2006, 01:29:14 PM
foxsports.com

PREDICTION: You don't need a college degree to know that Brazil is favored to win the World Cup.

Still, researchers at the University of Warwick in England have been analyzing soccer games to predict which team will lift the trophy in Germany.

Brazil, obviously, was the top pick with a 13 percent chance to win its sixth World Cup title.

In the group stage, the Ukraine-Tunisia match was the toughest one to call for the computers. England-Trinidad and Tobago was the easiest, giving the English an 83 percent chance to win.

The forecasts were made by analyzing about 4,500 international games, including prior tournaments, qualifiers, and friendlies. The system gave more weight to recent games.

Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: AB.Trini on June 04, 2006, 01:32:07 PM
Sports is afunny thing ; yes there are predictable factors. But if we know hat the score is ahaed of time, why play the flipping games? why  create all this  ruchion and all the qualifiers just to get to this  level?

People does forget the human factor the unpredictable the unknown; Man if I went scientifc  all the time, Brazil would win every world Cup; France would have scored whole heap ah goals last world cup and I WOULD HAVE HAD WHOLE heap ah wives in every soccer nation.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: real madness on June 04, 2006, 01:41:13 PM
Sports is afunny thing ; yes there are predictable factors. But if we know hat the score is ahaed of time, why play the flipping games? why  create all this  ruchion and all the qualifiers just to get to this  level?

People does forget the human factor the unpredictable the unknown; Man if I went scientifc  all the time, Brazil would win every world Cup; France would have scored whole heap ah goals last world cup and I WOULD HAVE HAD WHOLE heap ah wives in every soccer nation.

calm down Alberta..doh raise yuh blood pressure...it was a just a post to show what ppl (especially fenwick) think based on past performances...we all know the game is not played on paper.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: paddy on June 04, 2006, 04:31:52 PM
I aint listening to Fenwick -- Now its clear why he is a club manager and Beenie the National Manager
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: monty on June 04, 2006, 04:37:03 PM
I doh see anything wrong with Whitley missing home or not liking the scene away (even if it was 2 days). I living in the US for a couple years now and I doh really like it. The weather alone is enough to drive a man mad. The man is 27.. steupse. Is not like he went to school at 17/18 and had chance to acclimatise to his new surroundings. I missing home everyday. I missing my family. This away scene is not made for everybody. Home is where the heart is....allyuh should respect the man for being honest with himself.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Madd Ras#13 on June 04, 2006, 06:29:20 PM
I doh see anything wrong with Whitley missing home or not liking the scene away (even if it was 2 days). I living in the US for a couple years now and I doh really like it. The weather alone is enough to drive a man mad. The man is 27.. steupse. Is not like he went to school at 17/18 and had chance to acclimatise to his new surroundings. I missing home everyday. I missing my family. This away scene is not made for everybody. Home is where the heart is....allyuh should respect the man for being honest with himself.

I totally agree buh say wah i hope players like him n cornell get ah chance to play in europe after de world cup
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Ponnoxx on June 04, 2006, 10:25:02 PM
 Terry Fenwick was totally honest. I don't find he bad talking anything. He is also right about our better players looking for contracts in lower leagues and going for scholarships in the US. He was spot on for my part. We don't have a good structure. I agree. Do we have talent? Yes plenty of it. Also he was right about players' mentality. Although I doubt Aurtis Whitley will choke at the World Cup. I know he will do good. I think it was a problem of Whitley going there and not being welcomed as he would have liked. For example other players playing him extra rough or not passing the ball ...or things along those lines...Our players not trained to say you know what "Allyuh have to kill me for this spot yes"...Andre Toussaint went on trial and came back and said the players didn't pass the ball and played for themselves...To tell the truth I don't give players wrong for not wanting to go through those things. If I was them I would probably do the same thing....Go T&T
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: UK_Soca_warrior on June 05, 2006, 03:15:59 AM
I understand How Autis Whitley may have felt coming to Portsmouth. I am 25 and been living in London for 15 years. But Trinidad is still fresh in my mind. London on the best days can be very depressing, so Portsmouth would be even worst! And yes, when you come from sunshine, smiles and happy people, to come to this cold, labourous and depressing place it can make you feel home sick easily. I still feel homesick! But still, Europe is where the money and the best prospects of development in football is. So our local boys have to learn to make a compromise in order to further themselves. I dont like England, but I taking what I can get to further myself so I when I leave, I can come back and further Trinidad. I learned to be tough here, and how to play the system in order to survive. Yorke and all the British based players had to do the same ting. The guys back home have to think very long and hard, because it not easy here. Plus you're Black! So that makes it 1000 times harder. I really wish the MLS would get better in terms of quality. Or better still, the Caribbean invest money and start a proper professional championship involving 2-3  clubs from each island. Pay the guys well, get good foreign coaches to lay the foundation, get plenty of corporate backing, and plenty TV coverage to make it work. So our guys (Caribbean) can play football at a good level, without having to leave for Europe. Europe is not always the best option. Even Pele wants Brazillian players to come back and play in Brazil one day when de Brazil FA sort out themselves. European leagues have to much say and power because of the money they have. Hopefully we can get a league in our neck of the woods to rival Europe and give a good alternative to Concacaf footballers.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Pompey on June 05, 2006, 03:46:42 AM
I understand How Autis Whitley may have felt coming to Portsmouth. I am 25 and been living in London for 15 years. But Trinidad is still fresh in my mind. London on the best days can be very depressing, so Portsmouth would be even worst! And yes, when you come from sunshine, smiles and happy people, to come to this cold, labourous and depressing place it can make you feel home sick easily. I still feel homesick! But still, Europe is where the money and the best prospects of development in football is. So our local boys have to learn to make a compromise in order to further themselves. I dont like England, but I taking what I can get to further myself so I when I leave, I can come back and further Trinidad. I learned to be tough here, and how to play the system in order to survive. Yorke and all the British based players had to do the same ting. The guys back home have to think very long and hard, because it not easy here. Plus you're Black! So that makes it 1000 times harder. I really wish the MLS would get better in terms of quality. Or better still, the Caribbean invest money and start a proper professional championship involving 2-3  clubs from each island. Pay the guys well, get good foreign coaches to lay the foundation, get plenty of corporate backing, and plenty TV coverage to make it work. So our guys (Caribbean) can play football at a good level, without having to leave for Europe. Europe is not always the best option. Even Pele wants Brazillian players to come back and play in Brazil one day when de Brazil FA sort out themselves. European leagues have to much say and power because of the money they have. Hopefully we can get a league in our neck of the woods to rival Europe and give a good alternative to Concacaf footballers.

Nice, why don't you just piss off back to Trini now and save us poor English folk forking out any more money on you.

Stupid comments like that don't exactly help the "Balck" cause do they.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: UK_Soca_warrior on June 05, 2006, 03:58:24 AM


Nice, why don't you just piss off back to Trini now and save us poor English folk forking out any more money on you.

Stupid comments like that don't exactly help the "Balck" cause do they.
Quote

MY POINT EXACTLY!!!! Unfortunately SOME of you ignorant and clearly unintelligent English folk dont see the big picture. We want to go back and further our countries, cus you wouldnt allow us to further ourselves in your country!

Think before you comment mate!  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Pompey on June 05, 2006, 04:09:04 AM


Nice, why don't you just piss off back to Trini now and save us poor English folk forking out any more money on you.

Stupid comments like that don't exactly help the "Balck" cause do they.
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MY POINT EXACTLY!!!! Unfortunately SOME of you ignorant and clearly unintelligent English folk dont see the big picture. We want to go back and further our countries, cus you wouldnt allow us to further ourselves in your country!

Think before you comment mate!  :rotfl:

by all means, go back and further your own country. but do you not think one of the reasons why cities like london have run down ares is that there are a lot of People who come to London, don't care about the place, run it down, take what they can and then leave?

There are loads of opportunities here for all sorts of people. I can't remember the last time I saw a "White" doctor or Dentist (As an example) if you really feel you can not further yourself here, then I suggest that is more to do with an attitude than a colour.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: UK_Soca_warrior on June 05, 2006, 04:16:51 AM
by all means, go back further your own country. but do you not think oneofhte reasons why cities like london have run down ares is that there are a lot of People who come to London, don't care about the place, run it down, take what they can and then leave?

There are loads of opportunities here for all sorts of people. I can't remember the last time I saw a "White" doctor or Dentist (As an example) if youreally feel you can not further yourself here, then I suggest that is more to do with an attitude than a colour.
Quote

I gonna cut you some slack, cus 1) clearly your a moron! 2) we drifting off the subject.

London aint the way it is because of people who come from abroad, run it down and then leave.! it is the way it is, because of bad government, poor policies towards racial and social integration, and an imbalance in how funding is distributed! - So once angain, you just highlighted to the whole world just how blindly ignorant and down right conceited you are. Stop giving English people a bad name, and keep quiet if you dont have a clue whats going on around you! AND YES, BLACK PEOPLE STRUGGLE. Just ask Dwight when he first came. We have to learn how to play the game, before the game plays us. So it ends here! Unless you talking football, shut the F%*K up!  >:(
Title: where to watch saturdays game in london
Post by: sandra on June 05, 2006, 04:18:31 AM
Hi can anyone recommend a decent bar in central london with a good atmosphere to watch Trinidad and Tobago's opening world cup game game ?

Thanks
Sandra
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Pompey on June 05, 2006, 04:28:33 AM
What’s wrong, truth hurt? You come out with disrespectful comments against my Country and don’t like it when I bite back?

Of course you have to play the game. Do you think it is any different for an Italian or a Pole coming here? Do you think it is different in France, Germany or the USA? Don’t judge London (Or Portsmouth for that matter) by your own experiences, or think that the grass is greener elsewhere. If it is such a bad place, why is there thousands of people every day trying to move there?

It doesn’t matter what country you are in, anywhere in the world, you only succeed by good luck and hard work. The funny thing with luck though, is that the harder you work the luckier you get.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: UK_Soca_warrior on June 05, 2006, 04:38:38 AM
What’s wrong, truth hurt? You come out with disrespectful comments against my Country and don’t like it when I bite back?

Of course you have to play the game. Do you think it is any different for an Italian or a Pole coming here? Do you think it is different in France, Germany or the USA? Don’t judge London (Or Portsmouth for that matter) by your own experiences, or think that the grass is greener elsewhere. If it is such a bad place, why is there thousands of people every day trying to move there?

It doesn’t matter what country you are in, anywhere in the world, you only succeed by good luck and hard work. The funny thing with luck though, is that the harder you work the luckier you get.


You clearly are a moron aren't you??  ???

1) I aint a Pole, or Italian, so why the hell am I gonna speak from their point of view???

2) Trinidad dont have war, or famines.  But other countries do. So the thousands of refugees coming to this country from war torn and famine countries have no choice! And heres a lil phrase for you;  "Colonisation in Reverse"  THINK ABOUT IT.

3)The grass is greener, when official polls state 3/4 of the British popluation want to emigrate abroad. Australia 1st, USA 2nd, CARIBBEAN 3rd. And studies show that the quality of life in London, (and I'm sure Pompey a close second  :rotfl:  ) is lower than anywhere in Western Europe!

I'll pray for a brain for you this xmas! cus clearly you miss placed yours! But then again, when its the size of a rice grain, shit happens!  ;D

Peace my English brotha!  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Pompey on June 05, 2006, 04:41:47 AM
What’s wrong, truth hurt? You come out with disrespectful comments against my Country and don’t like it when I bite back?

Of course you have to play the game. Do you think it is any different for an Italian or a Pole coming here? Do you think it is different in France, Germany or the USA? Don’t judge London (Or Portsmouth for that matter) by your own experiences, or think that the grass is greener elsewhere. If it is such a bad place, why is there thousands of people every day trying to move there?

It doesn’t matter what country you are in, anywhere in the world, you only succeed by good luck and hard work. The funny thing with luck though, is that the harder you work the luckier you get.


You clearly are a moron aren't you??  ???

1) I aint a Pole, or Italian, so why the hell am I gonna speak from their point of view???

2) Trinidad dont have war, or famines.  But other countries do. So the thousands of refugees coming to this country from war torn and famine countries have no choice! And heres a lil phrase for you;  "Colonisation in Reverse"  THINK ABOUT IT.

3)The grass is greener, when official polls state 3/4 of the British popluation want to emigrate abroad. Australia 1st, USA 2nd, CARIBBEAN 3rd. And studies show that the quality of life in London, (and I'm sure Pompey a close second  :rotfl:  ) is lower than anywhere in Western Europe!

I'll pray for a brain for you this xmas! cus clearly you miss placed yours! But then again, when its the size of a rice grain, shit happens!  ;D

Peace my English brotha!  :rotfl:

we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

London is the best city in the world (but the weather could be better ;D).

If I could spend my weekdays in London and my weekend's at Pigeon Point, I would be the happiest man around. :beermug:
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: weary1969 on June 05, 2006, 05:41:33 AM
The man is not only a thug he is a hypocrite. A few weeks ago Whitley was the best thing since slice bread now he was crying to come home during the trial at Portsmith.

So someone please explain to me how anybody has been edified by this statement. How he feel Whitley go feel when he hear or read about that. Great JOBBBBBBBB THUGGGGGGGGGGG sorry I mean coach.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: rasajoy on June 05, 2006, 05:51:51 AM
I read that article just this morning, it was from the Sunday Times sport section. I was upset and have been upset about the way the media here in the UK have been putting down Trinidad and Tobago. To me whether we do anything in Germany or not, I feel we should be respected for just being there as it took alot of work. I am happy for my team to be in the WC and I am happy when they win or lose although I will like to see them win all the time.
 :angel:


 
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: dinho on June 05, 2006, 05:54:58 AM
Maybe the journalist shouldve asked Terry Fenwick when his time come and gone, what he will be most remembered for in his lifetime...

hint] not his opinions on sport...  not coaching jabloteh...
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: spideybuff on June 05, 2006, 07:35:55 AM
Doh get chain up by UK stories..the amount of lies they print about Dwight Yorke already. This article too bad to be real. Honestly, I doh feel Fenwick dumb enough to criticise Whitley. Tha's his star boy and he have to play under him when he come back. And comparing him to Brian Lara? No way...
Fenwick was a professional footballer...to say those things would be tantamount to suicide. Plus he next in line to coach us, so why burn bridges? Nobody in the football world figure they could say those things and it not make it into the public domain.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Pompey on June 05, 2006, 07:44:32 AM
Doh get chain up by UK stories..the amount of lies they print about Dwight Yorke already. This article too bad to be real. Honestly, I doh feel Fenwick dumb enough to criticise Whitley. Tha's his star boy and he have to play under him when he come back. And comparing him to Brian Lara? No way...
Fenwick was a professional footballer...to say those things would be tantamount to suicide. Plus he next in line to coach us, so why burn bridges? Nobody in the football world figure they could say those things and it not make it into the public domain.

TnT could do a lot better than Terry Fenwick for national manager. He has a very poor record as a manager and whilst he may be able to do good things with Jebolteh, I think he would not live up to the high standards set by Leo.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: dinho on June 05, 2006, 08:23:52 AM
Doh get chain up by UK stories..the amount of lies they print about Dwight Yorke already. This article too bad to be real. Honestly, I doh feel Fenwick dumb enough to criticise Whitley. Tha's his star boy and he have to play under him when he come back. And comparing him to Brian Lara? No way...
Fenwick was a professional footballer...to say those things would be tantamount to suicide. Plus he next in line to coach us, so why burn bridges? Nobody in the football world figure they could say those things and it not make it into the public domain.

TnT could do a lot better than Terry Fenwick for national manager. He has a very poor record as a manager and whilst he may be able to do good things with Jebolteh, I think he would not live up to the high standards set by Leo.

plus he get dat last critical beat from maradona's goal of de century...
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: spideybuff on June 05, 2006, 09:24:14 AM

TnT could do a lot better than Terry Fenwick for national manager. He has a very poor record as a manager and whilst he may be able to do good things with Jebolteh, I think he would not live up to the high standards set by Leo.

That's part of my point too...Fenwick is ranked as among the worst coached ever in the UK. He came to Trinidad and is doing well here where people respect him. He would have to be really, really stupid to come out and say those things to the press in the UK and risk everything he has built down here. I mean seriously, why would an ex-England international come to Trinidad to coach in a barely professional league? Because he is held in such low regard in England. Why upset the only place he can feel important again? Doesn't make sense, which is why I really cah see too much truth in that article. He probably said things like England wil beat Trinidad and that we are celebrating non-stop since just foir qualifying..but they had to embellish and exaggerate  to give the story legs
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: injunchile on June 05, 2006, 04:28:06 PM
Dont be fooled- when these crackers are with theor own kind . most of them bad talk we . Left right and center.
 They still believe that we are hewers of wood and drawers of water.

To say that a 29yearold has the mentality of a seventeen year old is insulting.
 I did not know that Fenwick has a degree in Psycology.
 I strongly recommend that the manager of Jabloteh, Fire him.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Pointman on June 05, 2006, 04:41:13 PM
I can't see what the problem is,  the soca warriors are in the world cup so enjoy it.  THere's nothing wrong with saying that you're going to win it.  My team Port Vale are going to win the FA cup and win the league or get promoted every season, but we never do. 

 :rotfl: :rotfl: indeed :rotfl:
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: sin on June 05, 2006, 04:50:50 PM
Dont be fooled- when these crackers are with theor own kind . most of them bad talk we . Left right and center.

 They still believe that we are hewers of wood and drawers of water.

And we still calling white people 'crackers'.

We're not helping ourselves with comments like these. And men want to rail up (and rightly) on Warner for his racist remarks about Jennings when we doing the same damn thing.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Pointman on June 05, 2006, 04:53:51 PM
I understand How Autis Whitley may have felt coming to Portsmouth. I am 25 and been living in London for 15 years. But Trinidad is still fresh in my mind. London on the best days can be very depressing, so Portsmouth would be even worst! And yes, when you come from sunshine, smiles and happy people, to come to this cold, labourous and depressing place it can make you feel home sick easily. I still feel homesick! But still, Europe is where the money and the best prospects of development in football is. So our local boys have to learn to make a compromise in order to further themselves. I dont like England, but I taking what I can get to further myself so I when I leave, I can come back and further Trinidad. I learned to be tough here, and how to play the system in order to survive. Yorke and all the British based players had to do the same ting. The guys back home have to think very long and hard, because it not easy here. Plus you're Black! So that makes it 1000 times harder. I really wish the MLS would get better in terms of quality. Or better still, the Caribbean invest money and start a proper professional championship involving 2-3  clubs from each island. Pay the guys well, get good foreign coaches to lay the foundation, get plenty of corporate backing, and plenty TV coverage to make it work. So our guys (Caribbean) can play football at a good level, without having to leave for Europe. Europe is not always the best option. Even Pele wants Brazillian players to come back and play in Brazil one day when de Brazil FA sort out themselves. European leagues have to much say and power because of the money they have. Hopefully we can get a league in our neck of the woods to rival Europe and give a good alternative to Concacaf footballers.

 :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Peong on June 05, 2006, 05:01:28 PM
That cracker comment was really uncalled for. 
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: Pointman on June 05, 2006, 05:03:45 PM
Just for that we go salt England ass. What is the point of badtalking a minnow of international football. Is it that they have doubts about their own national football team. I hope they don't let that 6-0 planassing of JA get to their collective heads. SALT IN DEY ASSSSSS!!! >:(
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: najee on June 05, 2006, 05:32:38 PM
Realistically....the guy could be right...I don't think Terry is trying to disrespect Trinidad and Tobago...no way...
Title: Terry Fenwick's comments
Post by: stepray on June 13, 2006, 08:42:44 PM
Any one read Fenwick's comments about soca warriors to English press?
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick badtalking us in the UK press
Post by: marcel on June 14, 2006, 12:59:05 AM

looks like this fenwick man is quite a handfull
what is wrong with him?doesnt he dream?
i cant believe he is from T&T!

maybe he better keep his mouth shut
Title: How about Terry Fenwick to work with...
Post by: AB.Trini on December 14, 2006, 07:09:28 AM
How about Terry Fenwick to work with... the devolopment, the identification, the training and promotion of a locally based National squad?
Title: Re: How about Terry Fenwick to work with...
Post by: Jay10 on December 14, 2006, 09:58:39 AM
Isnt he already doing that wit Jabloteh ???
Title: Re: How about Terry Fenwick to work with...
Post by: Observer on December 14, 2006, 10:36:59 AM
Isnt he already doing that wit Jabloteh ???

 ;D True dat AT forget who he coaching
Title: Re: How about Terry Fenwick to work with...
Post by: ann3boys on December 14, 2006, 11:30:58 AM
no no no, sorry, every time that man's name comes up I need to remind you guys that he is a thug!!
we do not need an example of violence for our young sportsmen
If I had my way he wouldn't be coaching or working in T & T at all !!!
Title: Re: How about Terry Fenwick to work with...
Post by: weary1969 on December 14, 2006, 09:50:56 PM
The man is a thug. As people who around Jabloteh the man does be bawling up the under 12 players
Title: Re: How about Terry Fenwick to work with...
Post by: Israel on December 15, 2006, 01:03:11 AM
Jan Steadman does bawl up little boys and he also produce some good ballers.......different coaches have different methods.
Title: Re: How about Terry Fenwick to work with...
Post by: ann3boys on December 15, 2006, 06:33:21 AM
bawling is one thing, physical abuse is another. the man is a thug. has been fined, banned, all kinda sanctions, but as usual in trinidad, a foreigner can do no wrong.
sorry, can't forgive how he elbowed the player on the field.
please don't tell me you guys that can remember when dwight used to play for secondary league, can't remember fenwick's behaviour, how he went in the bleachers, during his suspension, and was screaming at his players during a match...come on
why can't we have a good coach, and a good example
Title: Re: How about Terry Fenwick to work with...
Post by: Bally on December 15, 2006, 06:36:38 AM
How about Terry Fenwick to work with... the devolopment, the identification, the training and promotion of a locally based National squad?
Alberta where yah does come up with these ideas boy we have a coach and he should be given time to get his system in we dont need an English coach to play boom kick football a Dutch coach is the best way for us to go you guy really think the warriors is Brazil or something just cool yourself with this change coach thing every time we change a coach we taking two step backwards 
Title: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: freakazoid on January 26, 2007, 06:11:25 AM
ok so he didnt release players to play in the digicel tournament ,but i only see positives from that ,i really cant see any negatives. this is how i see it, the breeding ground 4 our local talent is the pfl and i think a great run by any of our teams in the club championship can only help to do good things 4 the league marketing wise out side of tnt. which i believe will benefit our players on the whole. wasnt it jabloteh  who had adopted an all local policy as they sought to invest in tnt players.
we must admit professional football is a bizness 1st b4 anything else. what happened by force  can now probably open our football administrators eyes  to see that we are full of talent and that this tournament can be a great way of blooding some of our young and promising players.
LONG and short is any negative attitude directed to fenwick on the field of play 2day would be directed to the jabloteh players no matter whats your motive or how much  u say is fenwick alone u dont like.
Title: Re: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: Themanfriday on January 26, 2007, 06:13:38 AM
ayee Fenwick dais you   ;D wha happening man?
Title: Re: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: Mr Mc on January 26, 2007, 06:53:17 AM
fenwick is a kakahole
Title: Re: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: stepray on January 26, 2007, 08:31:26 AM
Check Pro League web site where there is a video with Fenwick saying that Baptiste & Daniel will have difficulty making the squad for today. Then he goes on to say that they performed well for T&T so now it is time for them to do the same for Jabloteh.
Will he include them? i really hope he does as I don't think that they should be punished for reprresenting their country, plus they are match fit.

www.ttproleague.com
Title: Re: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: pardners on January 26, 2007, 09:01:46 AM
I know this topic probably get lick already, but I eh go really get vex with Fenwick for not releasing the players.

If the Jabloteh organisation trying to help the national cause by going strictly local, then at least the league coulda give them a bligh when international games come around.  To send half yuh starting team to play for the country and then to missout on the league title by goal difference is not a easy thing for a coach to take.

Fenwick better play Daniel and Baptiste...he go have to be mad to go into battle without he lieutenants.
Title: Re: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: Mr Mc on January 26, 2007, 09:06:18 AM
I know this topic probably get lick already, but I eh go really get vex with Fenwick for not releasing the players.

If the Jabloteh organisation trying to help the national cause by going strictly local, then at least the league coulda give them a bligh when international games come around. To send half yuh starting team to play for the country and then to missout on the league title by goal difference is not a easy thing for a coach to take.

Fenwick better play Daniel and Baptiste...he go have to be mad to go into battle without he lieutenants.

Have Daniel and Baptiste missed any games while playing in the DC?
If they could play in the DC and then make the squad for the next game, why not Cyd and Whitley?
If Jabloteh been resting, wont Cyd and Whitley lack games fitness and sharpness as opposed to Daniel and Baptiste?
Could not Fenwick and Wim agreed to not play the Jabloteh players for the full 90 so as not to burn them out?

Fenwick is a kakahole.
Title: Re: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: dcs on January 26, 2007, 10:56:17 AM

Fenwick is a kakahole.

Baptiste and Daniel will probably be in better form than the other players.  This had nothing to do with keeping players fresh for the games...nothing at all.
Title: Re: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: Jah Gol on January 26, 2007, 11:11:25 AM
There's no question that Daniel and Baptiste will be in better form than his other players.
Title: Re: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: doc on January 26, 2007, 11:17:51 AM
There's no question that Daniel and Baptiste will be in better form than his other players.
Playing 5 games in 12 days ent easy, and to play 7 in 17 is going to be even more difficult.
Title: Re: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: maxg on January 26, 2007, 11:28:46 AM
Had Grey and Whitley and others(Tousse and ???)  been allowed....who would we have not seen ? Next question, If jablo or the W win the whole club championships, which trophy(DC or CC) will serve T&T best in the long run ?
thirdly, who is not ah kakahole in some of our fickle minds ? not me !(dbl -ive) ;D
Title: Re: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: Mr Mc on January 26, 2007, 12:06:59 PM
Had Grey and Whitley and others(Tousse and ???) been allowed....who would we have not seen ? Next question, If jablo or the W win the whole club championships, which trophy(DC or CC) will serve T&T best in the long run ?
thirdly, who is not ah kakahole in some of our fickle minds ? not me !(dbl -ive) ;D
the Digicel Cup and tournament will serve T&T better than the CFU, if Wim deceide that the players who played starting to gel and not pick Whitley and Cyd, cause he dont want to disrupt that, then men go want to call him a kakahole.

My biggest problem with this is that the players and the country had to pay the biggest price for Fenwick to make a point, like someone said it was not about doing the best for his team, he wanted to make a stand.
The means have to justify the end and in this case not having those guys on the team was too big a price to pay he should have found another way.
Don Leo had a dread streak about him, them men mighta never get call back if he was still around.
Title: Re: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: maxg on January 26, 2007, 12:30:51 PM
you answered one question, and you or I got confused on it.
I was under the impression Digicel cup IS CFU. I guess I was wrong
My biggest positive, players who would not have had a chance to be seen otherwise, got an opportunity (plus cap). Both Cyd and Whitley may not be around for 2010, and I am not certain they would have changed the final outcome, though we as fans may have had more confidence. Imagine, if we had still lost with them . Whim would then be ah kakahole for picking them and not giving the youths a chance and working on the future. Had we won with them, well we were supposed to win anyway.
Anyway, it's only a difference of opinion...buh I remember (won't bother to dig it up) when whitley, and Grey (amongst many others players and coaches) was to many socalled supporters kakaholes too....
buh it so easy to stand in the crowd incognito and heckle, than step up on the stage and perform....ah glad some new boys got this opportunity, even from the same Fenwick......is not no love thing, just Respect...something ah think we tend to disregard so easily.....this man coaching (and winning) with one of the top teams in Trinidad for years, and chose to stay, where many of us, run the other way.....if he is ah kakahole, wha dat say bout we and everybody else ?
sorry bro, ah won't ever see he and many others so...
Title: Re: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: stepray on January 26, 2007, 12:43:08 PM
Maxg doh get tie up. Fenwick making plenty plenty money here. More money than all the other PFL coaches combined, plus plenty perks. Money he cyar never ever make in his country England.
So doh get tie up, it eh no love it is for his money he wukking.
Title: Re: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: Mr Mc on January 26, 2007, 01:30:03 PM
you answered one question, and you or I got confused on it.
I was under the impression Digicel cup IS CFU. I guess I was wrong
My biggest positive, players who would not have had a chance to be seen otherwise, got an opportunity (plus cap). Both Cyd and Whitley may not be around for 2010, and I am not certain they would have changed the final outcome, though we as fans may have had more confidence. Imagine, if we had still lost with them . Whim would then be ah kakahole for picking them and not giving the youths a chance and working on the future. Had we won with them, well we were supposed to win anyway.
Anyway, it's only a difference of opinion...buh I remember (won't bother to dig it up) when whitley, and Grey (amongst many others players and coaches) was to many socalled supporters kakaholes too....
buh it so easy to stand in the crowd incognito and heckle, than step up on the stage and perform....ah glad some new boys got this opportunity, even from the same Fenwick......is not no love thing, just Respect...something ah think we tend to disregard so easily.....this man coaching (and winning) with one of the top teams in Trinidad for years, and chose to stay, where many of us, run the other way.....if he is ah kakahole, wha dat say bout we and everybody else ?
sorry bro, ah won't ever see he and many others so...

The fact that many youths get a spot to play in this tournament is a positive byproduct of Fenwicks kakaholeness.  Is not like that was his plan so we have to thank him for that.
We cant look now after the fact and because we did so well, give Fenwick a bligh because things turned out well.  We needed to field our strongest local team and he hindered that.
I dont remember that time you speak of when Whitley and Cyd were kakaholes, you may need to dig that up for me to understand your reference.
Just because he was within his right to withhold the players, does not make it the right thing to do. county before club, I bet you anything he believed that when he played for England so he should respect our players and country this rounds.
Title: Re: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: elan on January 26, 2007, 01:31:15 PM
It's not a given the the players who played in the tournament will be more ready than those who did not. That's a thing of the past. I am sure Jabloteh have more than 22 players. Sharpness can be developed in practice. There is a reason teams have 25-30 players. Even a team of 20 players can push each other to the edge playing 9v9. It's all about the tone the coach sets in practice.

Look at the pace the National team played at, slow as hell. Plus the type of play (or lack thereof) may not be what Fenwick wants and this is the mode those who played with the National team will be in. We need to get with the program. This link is just and idea into how real training sessions are organized.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGzudKBHR2w
Title: Re: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: maxg on January 26, 2007, 03:01:52 PM
Maxg doh get tie up. Fenwick making plenty plenty money here. More money than all the other PFL coaches combined, plus plenty perks. Money he cyar never ever make in his country England.
So doh get tie up, it eh no love it is for his money he wukking.

Tie up...nah...I cyah be in no bind over dat...doh ah doubt he getting all that...buh who choose to pay him ? why ? why don't dey juss hire a cheaper local guy ? Is it Fenwick fault he getting whatever he ask for ? anyway dat is another story...
Seems like ppl here know Fenwick real stories, better than the Jab players,fans & management, and like the techn ppl at TTFF fraid him...as a matter of fact, like he have T&T football in ah bind cause he taking we best players and we cyah get them...ah being sarcastic here eh.. ah asking mehself ah question here...why we players suing we federation boy ? Like they only represent for the money ? Nah...I don't think so...
lemme see...Tousse  doh play for Jab...how come Fev ent get designation ?

Look me doh know much nah... To much questions. an everybody else know....so I not no kk, i jus chupid so
Title: Re: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: stepray on January 26, 2007, 03:59:36 PM
Toussaint & Pacheco were not selected. 2 guys were selected from W Connection, Jan & Nickolson (Ice) Thomas. Wim dropped Ice from the 20, so get your stories straight. W Connection went to Brazil & they both stayed here in training. When Ice get dropped from the squad John Williams sent him to Brazil to join the rest of the team. So leave Fev out of it. Doh tie up others  in your defence of Fenwick.
Title: Re: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: maxg on January 26, 2007, 04:16:16 PM
I will try to get my stories in order..by asking more pertinent questions.....but note I'm not defending Fenwick or any such body, ah doh have that capability or pull...When I do defend you definately will be able to tell....
Bro, call who yuh want, what yuh want, when yuh want...cause you seem to miss my whole point...For the record, the whole football scene is not my highest priority as far as T&T is concerned...Allyuh(others with the same mindset like yuhself) say Fenwick is ah kakahole, then as allyuh have all allyuh stories straight, he musbe ah kakahole...doh for ah kakahole, he managing pretty good.....ah jus don't agree....ah running 'long..take win
Title: Re: why allyuh vex with fenwick?
Post by: davidephraim on January 26, 2007, 06:17:53 PM
you answered one question, and you or I got confused on it.
I was under the impression Digicel cup IS CFU. I guess I was wrong
My biggest positive, players who would not have had a chance to be seen otherwise, got an opportunity (plus cap). Both Cyd and Whitley may not be around for 2010, and I am not certain they would have changed the final outcome, though we as fans may have had more confidence. Imagine, if we had still lost with them . Whim would then be ah kakahole for picking them and not giving the youths a chance and working on the future. Had we won with them, well we were supposed to win anyway.
Anyway, it's only a difference of opinion...buh I remember (won't bother to dig it up) when whitley, and Grey (amongst many others players and coaches) was to many socalled supporters kakaholes too....
buh it so easy to stand in the crowd incognito and heckle, than step up on the stage and perform....ah glad some new boys got this opportunity, even from the same Fenwick......is not no love thing, just Respect...something ah think we tend to disregard so easily.....this man coaching (and winning) with one of the top teams in Trinidad for years, and chose to stay, where many of us, run the other way.....if he is ah kakahole, wha dat say bout we and everybody else ?
sorry bro, ah won't ever see he and many others so...

The fact that many youths get a spot to play in this tournament is a positive byproduct of Fenwicks kakaholeness.  Is not like that was his plan so we have to thank him for that.
We cant look now after the fact and because we did so well, give Fenwick a bligh because things turned out well.  We needed to field our strongest local team and he hindered that.
I dont remember that time you speak of when Whitley and Cyd were kakaholes, you may need to dig that up for me to understand your reference.
Just because he was within his right to withhold the players, does not make it the right thing to do. county before club, I bet you anything he believed that when he played for England so he should respect our players and country this rounds.

Early nomination for phrase of de year. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: dreamer on January 27, 2007, 12:36:24 PM
Fenwick filled with mixed emotions after booking place in CFU final       
Saturday, 27 January 2007   
By Randy Bando...  

www.ttproleague.com

The CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh coach Terry Fenwick had mixed feelings after his teams 2-0 win against Baltimore Sportif in their Caribbean Club Championship semifinal match on Friday at the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium. Fenwick expressed disappointment as well as satisfaction in his teams performance after playing with only ten men in the second period.

He told ttproleague.com in a post match interview, Im actually quite disappointed because we were poor by our standard against Baltimore Sportif, but I also have to say we played particularly well even with ten men and proved to be the better team winning comfortably.

As to the performance of Baltimore Sportif, the Jabloteh coach said, They are a good, hard working bunch, just as we saw with their national team in the Digicel Caribbean Cup. Baltimore Sportif has a number of quality players and quite a number of them are on their national team, added the Englishman.

Meanwhile attacking midfielder Jason Marcano believes his team could have done much better with their performance.

Marcano told ttproleague.com, I would have to say the match was a tough one but I believe we could have done a lot better. We have been working hard in training and we now have to put out what we have been practicing.

Baltimore Sportif played at a really fast pace and most of their players are on the Haitian national team. They are a good team but I believe we are better, ended the San Juan Jabloteh Most Improved player in 2006.

Jabloteh fell to ten men after defender and team captain Cyd Gray received a second yellow card on the half time mark and was sent off leaving his coach displeased, From an international player like Cyd I am really upset with what he did. He was performing really excellent during the match then he let himself and the team down. The rash challenge was unnecessary because it was near to the half line.

I will be meeting with him on it, because I cant tolerate carelessness like that, assured the coach.
The former England player however, believes he has the resources to fill the place of the world cup defender saying, Its not a crucial blow to us without Cyd in the final. Ive got a defenders who can replace him in the final, ended Fenwick.

CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh would now meet rival Pro League Club Vibe CT 105 W Connection in the final on Sunday at the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium.

W Connection defeated Jamaican Club Harbour View 3-2 in their semifinal match on Friday.

 
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: Mr Mc on January 27, 2007, 12:39:43 PM
Fenwick filled with mixed emotions after booking place in CFU final
Saturday, 27 January 2007  
By Randy Bando...  

www.ttproleague.com

The CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh coach Terry Fenwick had mixed feelings after his teams 2-0 win against Baltimore Sportif in their Caribbean Club Championship semifinal match on Friday at the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium. Fenwick expressed disappointment as well as satisfaction in his teams performance after playing with only ten men in the second period.

He told ttproleague.com in a post match interview, Im actually quite disappointed because we were poor by our standard against Baltimore Sportif, but I also have to say we played particularly well even with ten men and proved to be the better team winning comfortably.

As to the performance of Baltimore Sportif, the Jabloteh coach said, They are a good, hard working bunch, just as we saw with their national team in the Digicel Caribbean Cup. Baltimore Sportif has a number of quality players and quite a number of them are on their national team, added the Englishman.

Meanwhile attacking midfielder Jason Marcano believes his team could have done much better with their performance.

Marcano told ttproleague.com, I would have to say the match was a tough one but I believe we could have done a lot better. We have been working hard in training and we now have to put out what we have been practicing.

Baltimore Sportif played at a really fast pace and most of their players are on the Haitian national team. They are a good team but I believe we are better, ended the San Juan Jabloteh Most Improved player in 2006.

Jabloteh fell to ten men after defender and team captain Cyd Gray received a second yellow card on the half time mark and was sent off leaving his coach displeased, From an international player like Cyd I am really upset with what he did. He was performing really excellent during the match then he let himself and the team down. The rash challenge was unnecessary because it was near to the half line.

I will be meeting with him on it, because I cant tolerate carelessness like that, assured the coach.
The former England player however, believes he has the resources to fill the place of the world cup defender saying, Its not a crucial blow to us without Cyd in the final. Ive got a defenders who can replace him in the final, ended Fenwick.
CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh would now meet rival Pro League Club Vibe CT 105 W Connection in the final on Sunday at the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium.

W Connection defeated Jamaican Club Harbour View 3-2 in their semifinal match on Friday.

 


this is exactly why Fenwick is a kakahole....
if yuh could play in the final without Cyd why the fACK yuh aint let him play for his country!!!!????
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: dreamer on January 27, 2007, 12:46:35 PM
Baltimore Sportif coach accepts defeat       
Saturday, 27 January 2007   
By Randy Bando  


Coach Pierre Andre Dorvilus of the Haitian Club Baltimore Sportif believes the better team won on the night, after the Haitians went down 2-0 in their semifinal match against Pro League giants CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh in the Caribbean Club Championship.

San Juan Jabloteh cruised to victory with goals from Peter Prosper and Wendell Joseph and would now meet local archrivals Vibe CT 105 W Connection in the final on Sunday.

Coach Dorvilus spoke with ttproleague.com and said, The better team won the match and are into the final. The Pro League club was physically ready and they proved to be the better team in the end and I believe they deserve to progress and would do better in the finals, he said after the match.

However the Baltimore Sportif coach was quick to add, Key players in our team were very tired, due to some of them coming off national duty and this is why they were not able to play at their best. I strongly believe this contributed to why we lost the match to San Juan Jabloteh, explained the Haitian.

Two Baltimore Sportif players represented the Haitian national team in the just concluded Digicel Caribbean Cup where they were successfully crowned the 2007 Champions of the Caribbean. Those two players are Peter Germain and Ednerson Raymond.

 
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: arrow on January 27, 2007, 01:08:20 PM
Baltimore Sportif has a number of quality players and quite a number of them are on their national team, added the Englishman.

Baltimore Sportif played at a really fast pace and most of their players are on the Haitian national team. 

However the Baltimore Sportif coach was quick to add, Key players in our team were very tired, due to some of them coming off national duty and this is why they were not able to play at their best. I strongly believe this contributed to why we lost the match to San Juan Jabloteh, explained the Haitian.

Two Baltimore Sportif players represented the Haitian national team in the just concluded Digicel Caribbean Cup where they were successfully crowned the 2007 Champions of the Caribbean. Those two players are Peter Germain and Ednerson Raymond.

???  So how many players are on their National team?  Several or 2?  This makes it sound like Jabloteh is better than our Digicel squad
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: Ngozi on January 27, 2007, 03:29:49 PM
Baltimore Sportif has a number of quality players and quite a number of them are on their national team, added the Englishman.

Baltimore Sportif played at a really fast pace and most of their players are on the Haitian national team.

However the Baltimore Sportif coach was quick to add, Key players in our team were very tired, due to some of them coming off national duty and this is why they were not able to play at their best. I strongly believe this contributed to why we lost the match to San Juan Jabloteh, explained the Haitian.

Two Baltimore Sportif players represented the Haitian national team in the just concluded Digicel Caribbean Cup where they were successfully crowned the 2007 Champions of the Caribbean. Those two players are Peter Germain and Ednerson Raymond.

??? So how many players are on their National team? Several or 2? This makes it sound like Jabloteh is better than our Digicel squad

Only one way to find out............
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: Trini _2026 on January 27, 2007, 04:08:01 PM
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I will be meeting with him on it, because I cant tolerate carelessness like that, assured the coach.
The former England player however, believes he has the resources to fill the place of the world cup defender saying, Its not a crucial blow to us without Cyd in the final. Ive got a defenders who can replace him in the final, ended Fenwick.
CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh would now meet rival Pro League Club Vibe CT 105 W Connection in the final on Sunday at the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium.

W Connection defeated Jamaican Club Harbour View 3-2 in their semifinal match on Friday.

 


this is exactly why Fenwick is a kakahole....
if yuh could play in the final without Cyd why the fACK yuh aint let him play for his country!!!!????
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what he means is  jabloteh team is not built around 1 player
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: Flex on January 27, 2007, 07:49:49 PM
??? So how many players are on their National team? Several or 2? This makes it sound like Jabloteh is better than our Digicel squad

Didn't Jabloteh have two T&T players that just competed in the Digicel Cup on they team also. This man taking about 2 players...  8)
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: elan on January 28, 2007, 03:47:57 PM
I have been trying to understand, what makes Fenwick a kakahole? He has coached his team to the CFU final. It may be me but how is he stupid? Why because he did not totally succumb to the TTFF? Why are we not blaming the TTFF instead of Fenwick? We could call him all the names we want , but there is not a local coach doing better than him right now. So what does that make us?
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: Mr Mc on January 28, 2007, 07:11:31 PM
I have been trying to understand, what makes Fenwick a kakahole? He has coached his team to the CFU final. It may be me but how is he stupid? Why because he did not totally succumb to the TTFF? Why are we not blaming the TTFF instead of Fenwick? We could call him all the names we want , but there is not a local coach doing better than him right now. So what does that make us?

He is a kakahole because the only people he punish by withholding his players, are his players and the country.
The man now lose of them same two players for the FINAL of the tournament he was saving them for and bawl is no big thing he have other players to play in the spot, so why the arse he aint let the man play for his country then if he so easily replaced?
I am sure in his time, when called to play for england he was answering the call even if it was a friendly.
Him self want more locals to get a shot on the National Team but when the coach call them he telling them not to go, thats a hypocrite.
he could have worked out a compromise with Wim, maybe the guys only play the the 2nd half of games, maybe they only play every other game and final if we make it that far....something
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: Trini _2026 on January 28, 2007, 07:37:20 PM
I have been trying to understand, what makes Fenwick a kakahole? He has coached his team to the CFU final. It may be me but how is he stupid? Why because he did not totally succumb to the TTFF? Why are we not blaming the TTFF instead of Fenwick? We could call him all the names we want , but there is not a local coach doing better than him right now. So what does that make us?

He is a kakahole because the only people he punish by withholding his players, are his players and the country.
The man now lose of them same two players for the FINAL of the tournament he was saving them for and bawl is no big thing he have other players to play in the spot, so why the arse he aint let the man play for his country then if he so easily replaced?
I am sure in his time, when called to play for england he was answering the call even if it was a friendly.
Him self want more locals to get a shot on the National Team but when the coach call them he telling them not to go, thats a hypocrite.
he could have worked out a compromise with Wim, maybe the guys only play the the 2nd half of games, maybe they only play every other game and final if we make it that far....something

yuh pointless Mr Mc sorry to say that ... reason it out and dont talk with just pure emotions
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: elan on January 28, 2007, 07:44:58 PM
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Quote from: elan on Today at 04:47:57 PM
I have been trying to understand, what makes Fenwick a kakahole? He has coached his team to the CFU final. It may be me but how is he stupid? Why because he did not totally succumb to the TTFF? Why are we not blaming the TTFF instead of Fenwick? We could call him all the names we want , but there is not a local coach doing better than him right now. So what does that make us?


He is a kakahole because the only people he punish by withholding his players, are his players and the country.
The man now lose of them same two players for the FINAL of the tournament he was saving them for and bawl is no big thing he have other players to play in the spot, so why the arse he aint let the man play for his country then if he so easily replaced?
I am sure in his time, when called to play for england he was answering the call even if it was a friendly.
Him self want more locals to get a shot on the National Team but when the coach call them he telling them not to go, thats a hypocrite.
he could have worked out a compromise with Wim, maybe the guys only play the the 2nd half of games, maybe they only play every other game and final if we make it that far....something

Hind sight is always 20/20, that's why football have subs. Maybe Fenwick was hoping that they would be at the finals, which he is however; they not playing but they helping get there so maybe the means justify the end. Last time around he may have felt if his playersdid not play all those games leading up to the CFU he would have faired better and so far he would be right.

That said I don't think that make him a kakahole. BUt say what we all entitled to our opinion. I maybe talking a bunch of nothing for all yuh know... :-\
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: Mr Mc on January 28, 2007, 07:56:42 PM
I have been trying to understand, what makes Fenwick a kakahole? He has coached his team to the CFU final. It may be me but how is he stupid? Why because he did not totally succumb to the TTFF? Why are we not blaming the TTFF instead of Fenwick? We could call him all the names we want , but there is not a local coach doing better than him right now. So what does that make us?

He is a kakahole because the only people he punish by withholding his players, are his players and the country.
The man now lose of them same two players for the FINAL of the tournament he was saving them for and bawl is no big thing he have other players to play in the spot, so why the arse he aint let the man play for his country then if he so easily replaced?
I am sure in his time, when called to play for england he was answering the call even if it was a friendly.
Him self want more locals to get a shot on the National Team but when the coach call them he telling them not to go, thats a hypocrite.
he could have worked out a compromise with Wim, maybe the guys only play the the 2nd half of games, maybe they only play every other game and final if we make it that far....something

yuh pointless Mr Mc sorry to say that ... reason it out and dont talk with just pure emotions

pointless you say.
not only did i answer the question as to why i call the man a kakahole, but instead of just complaining i also suggested possible alternative actions he could have taken.  I backed up my opinion with factual statements Fenwick himself.
How much more reasoning you want, or is that you want me to come to the same understanding that you have?
To you I am being emotional and piontless.
Sorry pardna just because you dont agree with my opinion does not mean I dont have a point.
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: stepray on January 28, 2007, 08:07:45 PM
W Connection's coach Stuart Charles Fevrier is a better local coach than Fenwick. He have Connection playing class football whilst Fenwick have Jabloteh playing boom boom long ball. Jabloteh was otclassed by Connection today.
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: Trini _2026 on January 28, 2007, 08:17:55 PM
I have been trying to understand, what makes Fenwick a kakahole? He has coached his team to the CFU final. It may be me but how is he stupid? Why because he did not totally succumb to the TTFF? Why are we not blaming the TTFF instead of Fenwick? We could call him all the names we want , but there is not a local coach doing better than him right now. So what does that make us?

He is a kakahole because the only people he punish by withholding his players, are his players and the country.
The man now lose of them same two players for the FINAL of the tournament he was saving them for and bawl is no big thing he have other players to play in the spot, so why the arse he aint let the man play for his country then if he so easily replaced?
I am sure in his time, when called to play for england he was answering the call even if it was a friendly.
Him self want more locals to get a shot on the National Team but when the coach call them he telling them not to go, thats a hypocrite.
he could have worked out a compromise with Wim, maybe the guys only play the the 2nd half of games, maybe they only play every other game and final if we make it that far....something

yuh pointless Mr Mc sorry to say that ... reason it out and dont talk with just pure emotions

pointless you say.
not only did i answer the question as to why i call the man a kakahole, but instead of just complaining i also suggested possible alternative actions he could have taken. I backed up my opinion with factual statements Fenwick himself.
How much more reasoning you want, or is that you want me to come to the same understanding that you have?
To you I am being emotional and piontless.
Sorry pardna just because you dont agree with my opinion does not mean I dont have a point.

First of all he was not punishing his players
Secondly you made about point about fewick himself answering the call to play for england well fuh 1 thing if manu liverpool and chelsea had champions league game about 2 days after a non sanction fifa friendly see if fergie wenger etc release players and risk them getting injured in a non sanction fifa game much less a non sanction tournament ...
Fenwick's job is to put jabloteh in a positon for the best possible shot at that cfu club cup ... work out sumthing with wim so he go tell a national coach how to jabloteh players come on now .... blame the cfu not jabloteh
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: Mr Mc on January 28, 2007, 08:54:38 PM
I have been trying to understand, what makes Fenwick a kakahole? He has coached his team to the CFU final. It may be me but how is he stupid? Why because he did not totally succumb to the TTFF? Why are we not blaming the TTFF instead of Fenwick? We could call him all the names we want , but there is not a local coach doing better than him right now. So what does that make us?

He is a kakahole because the only people he punish by withholding his players, are his players and the country.
The man now lose of them same two players for the FINAL of the tournament he was saving them for and bawl is no big thing he have other players to play in the spot, so why the arse he aint let the man play for his country then if he so easily replaced?
I am sure in his time, when called to play for england he was answering the call even if it was a friendly.
Him self want more locals to get a shot on the National Team but when the coach call them he telling them not to go, thats a hypocrite.
he could have worked out a compromise with Wim, maybe the guys only play the the 2nd half of games, maybe they only play every other game and final if we make it that far....something

yuh pointless Mr Mc sorry to say that ... reason it out and dont talk with just pure emotions

pointless you say.
not only did i answer the question as to why i call the man a kakahole, but instead of just complaining i also suggested possible alternative actions he could have taken. I backed up my opinion with factual statements Fenwick himself.
How much more reasoning you want, or is that you want me to come to the same understanding that you have?
To you I am being emotional and piontless.
Sorry pardna just because you dont agree with my opinion does not mean I dont have a point.

First of all he was not punishing his players
Secondly you made about point about fewick himself answering the call to play for england well fuh 1 thing if manu liverpool and chelsea had champions league game about 2 days after a non sanction fifa friendly see if fergie wenger etc release players and risk them getting injured in a non sanction fifa game much less a non sanction tournament ...
Fenwick's job is to put jabloteh in a positon for the best possible shot at that cfu club cup ... work out sumthing with wim so he go tell a national coach how to jabloteh players come on now .... blame the cfu not jabloteh

His intent may not have been to punish his players but certainly did them a disservice by keeping them from playing in the DC.
The Digicel was not a non sanctioned friendly, it was non sanctioned yes but it was international matches that determined who goes on to the FIFA sanctioned Gold Cup.
Jabloteh does not exist in a vacum, they have national players in thier ranks and sometimes there is a conflict, everyone knows, well at least its my opinion Country before Club.  So when a conflict arises, Country take precedence and the club is left short handed, it happens all the time to all clubs.  Not everytime they should lose out, but in this case Country should have come first.
I am not saying the Fenwick could tell Wim how to manage his players, but a compromise could have been worked out.  In agreement for givng his players his blessing to take part in the tournament, Wim could have agreed not to run them hard, not to play them for full 90 mins, not to play them in all the matches.
I mean just recently didnt Dwight skip a game to head back to his club?
I dont think because Fenwick is upset with the CFU planning, that justifys the country having to do without some of its best local players, because the only people that lose out are the players and the country, not fenwick and not the cfu.
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: elan on January 28, 2007, 10:11:21 PM
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W Connection's coach Stuart Charles Fevrier is a better local coach than Fenwick. He have Connection playing class football whilst Fenwick have Jabloteh playing boom boom long ball. Jabloteh was otclassed by Connection today.

When I said local I meant Trinidadian. Connection coach is he Trini? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. ???
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: doc on January 28, 2007, 10:18:07 PM
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W Connection's coach Stuart Charles Fevrier is a better local coach than Fenwick. He have Connection playing class football whilst Fenwick have Jabloteh playing boom boom long ball. Jabloteh was otclassed by Connection today.

When I said local I meant Trinidadian. Connection coach is he Trini? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. ???
Fenwick surprised me. He does a running comentary from the coaches box. I'm quite sure he gets tuned out after a few minutes :devil:
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: stepray on January 29, 2007, 04:40:43 AM
Stuart Charles Fevrier was born in Curacao, of St. Lucian parents. Returned to St. Lucia at age 4. He came to Trinidad at age 17 & played with ASL, Pro Pioneers & Trintoc. Left Trinidad in 1986 to return to coach St. Lucia's National team at the request of the St. Lucian government. He returned to Trinidad at the inception of the PFL in 1999.
Flex has his resume so he probably can pull it up.
In my mind he is as local as local can be, because he has earned a living as a player here & now as a coach.
He played alongside gally, Shabazz, Brian,Spann etc.
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: dreamer on January 29, 2007, 02:02:21 PM
Somehow ah doh feel Whitley too happy there right now. Not sure if he is too happy period. "Presshah" from Fenwick, persecution from Jackula >:( , non-selection for games abroad, slim chance for Gold Cup and scouting opportunities, no foreign contract.....Sigh :-\.

Fenwick takes CFU defeat in stride
Monday, 29 January 2007  
By James Saunders...  

www.ttproleague.com

CL Financial San Juan Jablotehs Head Coach Terry Fenwick says he is not overly disappointed with his team, despite his side lost to local rivals W Connection in the Club Championship final on Sunday evening.

According to the Englishman, in a post match interview with ttproleague.com, his club did little wrong besides the mistake that cost them the goal.

Of course we wanted to win so in that sense Im disappointed, but the guys fought hard and dominated the second half of the game, however unfortunately it just wasnt our night.

When questioned why experienced World Cup midfielder Aurtis Whitley was left on the bench until late in the second half, Fenwick said that the player was not playing up to the level required of the team.

I dont pick my team on name or because of who you are or if you represented your country, I pick players on performance and right now there are players who are putting in the hard work and deserve their chance to start.


Fenwick further cited that despite the absence of some of his regular starters like goalkeeper Durance Williams and World Cup defender Cyd Gray his team was not under strength.

I must give credit to youngsters like Jason Marcano, Karlon Murray and Lester Peltier who have been given opportunities and have performed remarkably well. The youngsters have stood up big time for the club so to them we are grateful and we will continue to give them our support, and while we were unable to pull off a victory here in the Caribbean club championships, their performance augurs well for the upcoming season, ended the former English international.
 
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: elan on January 29, 2007, 02:08:39 PM
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Somehow ah doh feel Whitley too happy there right now. Not sure if he is too happy period. "Presshah" from Fenwick, persecution from Jackula   , non-selection for games abroad, slim chance for Gold Cup and scouting opportunities, no foreighn contract.....Sigh  .

Fenwick takes CFU defeat in stride       
Monday, 29 January 2007 
By James Saunders...
www.ttproleague.com

CL Financial San Juan Jablotehs Head Coach Terry Fenwick says he is not overly disappointed with his team, despite his side lost to local rivals W Connection in the Club Championship final on Sunday evening.

According to the Englishman, in a post match interview with ttproleague.com, his club did little wrong besides the mistake that cost them the goal.

Of course we wanted to win so in that sense Im disappointed, but the guys fought hard and dominated the second half of the game, however unfortunately it just wasnt our night.

When questioned why experienced World Cup midfielder Aurtis Whitley was left on the bench until late in the second half, Fenwick said that the player was not playing up to the level required of the team.

I dont pick my team on name or because of who you are or if you represented your country, I pick players on performance and right now there are players who are putting in the hard work and deserve their chance to start.

Fenwick further cited that despite the absence of some of his regular starters like goalkeeper Durance Williams and World Cup defender Cyd Gray his team was not under strength.

I must give credit to youngsters like Jason Marcano, Karlon Murray and Lester Peltier who have been given opportunities and have performed remarkably well. The youngsters have stood up big time for the club so to them we are grateful and we will continue to give them our support, and while we were unable to pull off a victory here in the Caribbean club championships, their performance augurs well for the upcoming season, ended the former English international.
 



I think the man making sense. I can't understand why these guys who went to the WC feel they are above the locals. From recent report of sealy not wanting to give al in practice, now Fenwick saying how Whitley slacking off. I hope they know they not hurting anyone but they self. It other guys who hungry and will step up to take they spot. Come on guy act like leaders.
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: stepray on January 29, 2007, 02:37:06 PM
Yesterday at the  game a Jabloteh fan told me that Whitley together with 4 other players broke camp & went to party. That is the reasomn for him not starting, so Fenwick was just being diplomatic
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: Sam on January 30, 2007, 08:10:09 AM
Whitley gone through..... all them players who went world cup head gone. It sad because this should have led to better things, a block to build on, not a decline in our football...... them men should be happy to pass the tourch....

This could never happen in no other country except T&T, them Brazilians at W Connection could teach T&T players a thing or two on how representing your country is the ultimate honour doh matter how big or small your country is.....
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: fatman on January 31, 2007, 07:38:42 AM
  I have ben following terry fenwicks career in trinidad and tobago for the last few years this includes watching him at practice and in games .while i commend him for choosing local players and giving youngsters exposure .I  am convinced of three things .he cannot find employment in any country that seeks quality coaching(he has not lasted long in any coaching position he has held,he is literally a reject),he is a bad influence on players and in his own way as indisciplined or more so than most (his many sending offs and his assault with his elbow on a w connection player).he is here in an attempt to enrich himself by being an agent and hopefully coaching t&t s international team (he does not care about trinidad and tobagos football.history will show that he and mr miller the ttfa's former marketing manager(icannot remember his first name)were british rejects who were able to talk a good game, and because they were british it was assumed that they were good.
Title: Re: Fenwick filled with mixed emotions....
Post by: maxg on January 31, 2007, 09:36:46 AM
ah could see that happening, especially how he beef up his resume with, playing for QPR, Spurs, and England...and gettin a run past by Maradona....doh mean he could coach. buh sometimes yuh does take ah chance based on ah recommendation or a resume, and end up with ah dud..
Does he even have a coaching license ?
I have observed other coaches real bawl up players on ah to long past visit to Trinidad, From NFL(they still have that) to National and ah was quite disappointed - an they call dat we glory years, an now this reject come with the same method that obviously doh work elsewhere and managing some degree of success ? Is like we players like thug life or boff or wha ?
nb ah not being sarcastic or defendin nobody , ah really never play with players from T&T...
Well except for a practice with Falcons way back in '76 I think...after ah score bout 5 goals in half hour...the coach(Trujillo) stop play an say "Allyuh cyah see how this man come from away jus so, doh know nobody, never practice with we, and scorin one setta goal "...to which one of their star players answered "So, he ain't beatz nobody yet"....To which Sheppy replied..."You.... Leave...when yuh ready to learn come back"....then he pulled meh aside and say " remember dah question of why coach does boff man here, yuh ask meh bout ? yuh see how it does go ?"
anyway, dat was over 30 yrs ago...what's it like today ?

bout 10 ys or more ago, ah had the pleasure of having a visiting player for a summer Denzil White(called him Horse). I hardly had to tell dat gy anything, except maybe some feedback during games. One of the most discplined young men I met. So not all indiscipline, but what is Today's majority about ?
Title: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Flex on November 06, 2007, 05:36:19 AM
Terry Fenwick denies racist abuse.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
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Jabloteh accuse McComie of 'unbecoming conduct'

CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh coach Terry Fenwick will soon appear before the Trinidad and Tobago Pro League disciplinary committee to hear the latest and possibly most serious charge levelled at him.
Fenwick, a former England World Cup player and 2002 T&T Pro League Coach of the Year, was accused of using a racist remark against Bmobile Joe Public and national youth team coach Michael McComie last Friday in a heated confrontation that followed the Toyota Classic final, which Public won 2-1 with a stoppage-time winner.
McComie, who was Pro League 2006 Player of the Year, complained to match commissioner Norris Ferguson of the alleged racist abuse from Fenwick and repeated his claim to the media after the match.
Fenwick denied McComie's accusation while Jabloteh claimed to be formulating an official complaint against the Public coach even before Ferguson's report reached the Pro League head office.
Jabloteh's position, which was reiterated by club chairman Jerry Hosepedales, is that Public allegedly brought the game into disrepute by entering Fenwick's technical area to taunt him on Friday night and routinely slandering the character of their English coach in the national media.
McComie mentioned, in a live television interview, that Fenwick was once charged for drunk driving and pointed to his less than stellar disciplinary record as player and coach as part of his reason for refusing to help the work permit application of Jabloteh starlet, Lester Peltier, three months ago.
He described Fenwick's coaching as "weak" after Friday's win.
"His coaching is very much like the way he played when he played [for] England," McComie told CCN TV6, "when he was the seventh man being passed by (Diego) Maradona--weak!"
Hospedales said the club is fed up with McComie's supposed struggle for national recognition.
"I think McComie's constant attacks on Fenwick are unbecoming," said Hospedales. "McComie has been on national television excoriating Fenwick's character for months. He is bringing the league into disrepute.
"One must have a professional respect for your colleagues. You might not agree with tactics and so on but that doesn't give you a right to call someone a criminal."
He also blasted Public for allegedly entering the Jabloteh technical area during and after the match. Public's Colombian goalkeeper Alejandro Figueroa was also accused of spraying Fenwick with liquid from a water bottle.
"The way Joe Public went in front of Jabloteh looked terrible," he said. "There must be a code of conduct for these teams. This couldn't happen abroad because even if you put a finger in the air towards opposing fans you can be disciplined for it.
"There must be a standard of conduct as to where you can celebrate and where you cannot."
Fenwick infamously reacted violently to a similar intrusion by Vibe CT 105 W Connection star Gefferson Goulart, two years ago, in a First Citizens Cup final loss, and felt that Public tried to goad him into a similar response last week. He insisted that the supposed provocation did not bring an undignified retort last Friday.
"(The Public players) ran into my technical area screaming and shouting after their two goals," said Fenwick, "and I have no doubt (McComie) told them to get in there.
"They were trying to goad me into something I didn't want to do. Their keeper, Figueroa, sprayed me with water, too, yet he is always ringing trying to get a contract from me."
Thus far, the Pro League executive committee has not seen it as necessary to intervene in the feud between the clubs. But Ferguson's report will force a meeting between the respective parties and Pro League CEO Dexter Skeene is likely to stress the need for club officials to behave as responsible role models.
"The Pro League is about development of the players and the youth in general," said Skeene, "and we want to ensure that our leaders, which includes our administrators, coaches, managers and the mature people around the teams, behave in a professional, courteous and disciplined manner at all times."
It would apparently take some doing to bring the ill feelings between the two coaches to an acceptable level. Fenwick suggested that McComie was trying to drum him out of the local game.
"He obviously feels very intimidated by me because he can't do an interview without mentioning my name at the moment," said Fenwick. "McComie and (a named talk show host) have kicked me in the teeth at every opportunity. I have just left him alone because I am not lowering myself to that level.
"There were lots of people around me (at the time of Friday's alleged incident) and anyone can speak to them. In our last ten games, we have seven wins and two draws while Public only got the one win on Friday.
"I don't need to go there with him because we are not on the same page. He needs to concentrate on his club as I am doing with mine."
McComie did not respond to several attempts by the Express for an interview on Sunday and yesterday but will get the chance to make his case against the Englishman soon before a Pro League disciplinary committee.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: dinho on November 06, 2007, 06:10:51 AM
McComie mentioned, in a live television interview, that Fenwick was once charged for drunk driving and pointed to his less than stellar disciplinary record as player and coach as part of his reason for refusing to help the work permit application of Jabloteh starlet, Lester Peltier, three months ago.
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so there it is then..

mccommie's personal vendetta against fenwick is a reason why he would intentionally take steps to suffocate the progress of one of our most talented young players...

these fellas really badmind and petty yes.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Sam on November 06, 2007, 07:10:35 AM
Michael McComie is a mudda corn hux....... this is where you seperate the goats from the sheeps.

McComie cant win nothing this year except for a cheap cup (Toyoto Classic) and getting vex. Letting a little banton take he head now how could he be a good coach. He replace de Cubans at Joe Public and doing just as bad. He even shit down heself with de U-23 team now all this to get attention from the TTFF and Jack Warner.....

Fenwick handle it like a big man and that is good, he not letting the players and coaches make him commit any foul play. Nice work on de reporting they Lasana...

Just hope Jabloteh take revenge and win de Pro League.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Diambars on November 06, 2007, 07:30:34 AM
McComie mentioned, in a live television interview, that Fenwick was once charged for drunk driving and pointed to his less than stellar disciplinary record as player and coach as part of his reason for refusing to help the work permit application of Jabloteh starlet, Lester Peltier, three months ago.
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so there it is then..

mccommie's personal vendetta against fenwick is a reason why he would intentionally take steps to suffocate the progress of one of our most talented young players...

these fellas really badmind and petty yes.


"Badmind and Petty" is an understaement ... I say WICKED and UNGODLY.  May the LORD bless any young talent with ambition in T&T.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Trini _2026 on November 06, 2007, 08:35:58 AM
McComie mentioned, in a live television interview, that Fenwick was once charged for drunk driving and pointed to his less than stellar disciplinary record as player and coach as part of his reason for refusing to help the work permit application of Jabloteh starlet, Lester Peltier, three months ago.
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so there it is then..

mccommie's personal vendetta against fenwick is a reason why he would intentionally take steps to suffocate the progress of one of our most talented young players...

these fellas really badmind and petty yes.


Well he is a liar because he said he did not receive any calls from fenwick regarding peltier's  work permitt issue .....  Well i guess  main reson why he DID NOT pick Peltier for the under 23 along with murray hyland and jamerson was an attempt to justify that they were not good enough  to make the team so he was right not write any letter ........ lord a next JW in the making
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 06, 2007, 12:09:40 PM
Ignorance and Racism are harmful by themselves.....but IF MaComie is falsely accusing Fenwick of racism that is almost/just as despicable. One of them should be kicked out of the TTPL and the other put under heavy manners. I always wondered what personal characteristics about MaComie that the Warners saw and liked. Its becoming more clear now. IF untrue that racism accusation sounding like a typical vampire move a la McBeth.

Point is these two feeling the heat from a very competitive situation in the PL with respect to winning games and getting exposure for themselves and their clubs/players. Instead of shutting their big stink mouths, putting their head down, focusing and grinding it out to the last like men supposed to they succuming to pressure.  And regardless of what Fenwick may have said, MaComie still lost every piece of respect he ever had from the football fraternity. He is a $hit coach and his behavior is consistently $hitty, just perfect for his $shit employers. Thank God he eh coaching Chelsea or Manu he woulda shoot Wenger or commit suicide long time.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: elan on November 06, 2007, 01:04:01 PM
Fenwick denies racist abuse

...Jabloteh accuse McComie of 'unbecoming conduct'

Lasana Liburd


Tuesday, November 6th 2007
 
 
 CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh coach Terry Fenwick will soon appear before the Trinidad and Tobago Pro League disciplinary committee to hear the latest and possibly most serious charge levelled at him.

Fenwick, a former England World Cup player and 2002 T&T Pro League Coach of the Year, was accused of using a racist remark against Bmobile Joe Public and national youth team coach Michael McComie last Friday in a heated confrontation that followed the Toyota Classic final, which Public won 2-1 with a stoppage-time winner.

McComie, who was Pro League 2006 Player of the Year, complained to match commissioner Norris Ferguson of the alleged racist abuse from Fenwick and repeated his claim to the media after the match.

Fenwick denied McComie's accusation while Jabloteh claimed to be formulating an official complaint against the Public coach even before Ferguson's report reached the Pro League head office.

Jabloteh's position, which was reiterated by club chairman Jerry Hosepedales, is that Public allegedly brought the game into disrepute by entering Fenwick's technical area to taunt him on Friday night and routinely slandering the character of their English coach in the national media.

McComie mentioned, in a live television interview, that Fenwick was once charged for drunk driving and pointed to his less than stellar disciplinary record as player and coach as part of his reason for refusing to help the work permit application of Jabloteh starlet, Lester Peltier, three months ago.

He described Fenwick's coaching as "weak" after Friday's win.

"His coaching is very much like the way he played when he played [for] England," McComie told CCN TV6, "when he was the seventh man being passed by (Diego) Maradona--weak!"

Hospedales said the club is fed up with McComie's supposed struggle for national recognition.

"I think McComie's constant attacks on Fenwick are unbecoming," said Hospedales. "McComie has been on national television excoriating Fenwick's character for months. He is bringing the league into disrepute.

"One must have a professional respect for your colleagues. You might not agree with tactics and so on but that doesn't give you a right to call someone a criminal."

He also blasted Public for allegedly entering the Jabloteh technical area during and after the match. Public's Colombian goalkeeper Alejandro Figueroa was also accused of spraying Fenwick with liquid from a water bottle.

"The way Joe Public went in front of Jabloteh looked terrible," he said. "There must be a code of conduct for these teams. This couldn't happen abroad because even if you put a finger in the air towards opposing fans you can be disciplined for it.

"There must be a standard of conduct as to where you can celebrate and where you cannot."

Fenwick infamously reacted violently to a similar intrusion by Vibe CT 105 W Connection star Gefferson Goulart, two years ago, in a First Citizens Cup final loss, and felt that Public tried to goad him into a similar response last week. He insisted that the supposed provocation did not bring an undignified retort last Friday.

"(The Public players) ran into my technical area screaming and shouting after their two goals," said Fenwick, "and I have no doubt (McComie) told them to get in there.

"They were trying to goad me into something I didn't want to do. Their keeper, Figueroa, sprayed me with water, too, yet he is always ringing trying to get a contract from me."

Thus far, the Pro League executive committee has not seen it as necessary to intervene in the feud between the clubs. But Ferguson's report will force a meeting between the respective parties and Pro League CEO Dexter Skeene is likely to stress the need for club officials to behave as responsible role models.

"The Pro League is about development of the players and the youth in general," said Skeene, "and we want to ensure that our leaders, which includes our administrators, coaches, managers and the mature people around the teams, behave in a professional, courteous and disciplined manner at all times."

It would apparently take some doing to bring the ill feelings between the two coaches to an acceptable level. Fenwick suggested that McComie was trying to drum him out of the local game.

"He obviously feels very intimidated by me because he can't do an interview without mentioning my name at the moment," said Fenwick. "McComie and (a named talk show host) have kicked me in the teeth at every opportunity. I have just left him alone because I am not lowering myself to that level.

"There were lots of people around me (at the time of Friday's alleged incident) and anyone can speak to them. In our last ten games, we have seven wins and two draws while Public only got the one win on Friday.

"I don't need to go there with him because we are not on the same page. He needs to concentrate on his club as I am doing with mine."

McComie did not respond to several attempts by the Express for an interview on Sunday and yesterday but will get the chance to make his case against the Englishman soon before a Pro League disciplinary committee.
 
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=161228826



Like is the "special one" and Wenger Trini style
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: spideybuff on November 06, 2007, 02:20:26 PM
U know what it the funniest thing about all this? McComie berating the man because Maradona run past him in a World Cup game. I pretty sure if Fenwick wanted he could find a million string up that McComie get from nobodies that a good keeper woulda save.

I really can't understand why McComie trying to make it sound like having Maradona run past u(along with 6 other world class defenders) on the way to scoring the goal of the century implies that somebody shitty... ???

If McComie want to win an argument, i just feel that footballing ability is not the area he should be trying to compete in...
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: FLi ! on November 06, 2007, 02:33:07 PM

i'm interested to know who comprises that disciplinary committee  :thinking:
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Big Magician on November 06, 2007, 02:54:07 PM
McComie ever "see" Maradona ??
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: freakazoid on November 06, 2007, 05:47:00 PM
that is d greatest goal ever .............dont see what is the big diss with him 1 of the players who get beat


4 him to bring up stuff like that really proves he is ah macomie man
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Diambars on November 06, 2007, 07:56:26 PM
Does anyone know what the alleged racial slur was? 
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: doc on November 06, 2007, 08:02:05 PM
Does anyone know what the alleged racial slur was? 
I think its the "N" word.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: kentsoulman on November 06, 2007, 08:59:51 PM
I know I'm at risk of being accused of defending a fellow Englishman, but here goes...

I don't know much about McComies playing career, but exactly how many world cup finals did he play in? How many games did he play in the major leagues (with all respect to the ProLeague) i.e. Germany, Italy, Spain or England? Under how many truly good coaches did he learn the game under (yes I know that some of the English coaches in the 70's/80's were suspect, but, honestly, did McComie learn the game from coaches better than those that Fenwick played under?)

Fenwick will never be remembered in the same way that Bobby Moore, Phil Thompson, Tony Adams, John Terry and Rio Ferdinand will be, but he was better than average (if only in the traditional English centre back way).

So I can only assume McComie has a huge inferiority complex involving Fenwick.

Thats his business.

 However, in my view, if he is lying about the racist remark, he should be banned from football at all levels. Racism has no place in any situation, and football should set standards that people take into their working and personal lives. To lie about such a thing is twice as bad. Not only is it a form of racism in itself (you wouldn't accuse somebody of your race of being a racist towards you-at least I don't think that would be classed as racism- so therefore, by lying about a person from another race of racism, must therefore be racism). Secondly, you are encouraging other people to play the race card without good reason. Its almost inciting racism.

And people will always wonder if Fenwick did do it. Sometimes its more difficult to prove you didn't do something.

Maybe you won't agree with my logic.

Then again, maybe Fenwick did make a racist remark and he should then be punished.  I don't know how we can find the truth.   
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: WestCoast on November 06, 2007, 09:04:26 PM
McComie mentioned, in a live television interview, that Fenwick was once charged for drunk driving and pointed to his less than stellar disciplinary record as player and coach as part of his reason for refusing to help the work permit application of Jabloteh starlet, Lester Peltier, three months ago.
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so there it is then..
mccommie's personal vendetta against fenwick is a reason why he would intentionally take steps to suffocate the progress of one of our most talented young players...
these fellas really badmind and petty yes.
maybe McCormie's true colours can be seen in his opinion of Fenwick where he would jeopardize the career of a TOTALLY INNOCENT THIRD PARTY to "get Back" at Fenwick.....very very Jackula in execution I believe...... :(
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Bakes on November 06, 2007, 11:51:46 PM

maybe McCormie's true colours can be seen in his opinion of Fenwick where he would jeopardize the career of a TOTALLY INNOCENT THIRD PARTY to "get Back" at Fenwick.....very very Jackula in execution I believe...... :(

I doh have time to go back and pull thread now...but I waiting patiently fuh all de facking damnasses who were in those threads about Peltier, who was saying that Fenwick was lying and trying thing when he know Peltier wasn't going to get through.  At least he was fucking trying!!  Here you have dis small-minded c#nt sabotaging, or even in the most favorable light, frustrating...the chances of a young player, all because of some petty-ass jealousy nonsense.  McComie struck me as a imps back when we were both in Gustine...and sad to say that not much has changed in the intervening years.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on November 07, 2007, 03:28:46 AM
Macomie is a CANCER TO THE GAME in TNT

SIMPLE: Education is a thing that not all of us have and Macomie suggest to me that he is a fella lacking alot of it and has for a while seeking attention in the wrong places.  He assumes that by trying to insult Fenwick by using lower than shrewd tactics it will make him popular in the media.  Well for the educated it is simply reemphasizing why he should be given the boot in TNT football....maybe he needs a couple of seasons in a league somewhere in the middle east where they can take his TT Passport and pay him next to nothin and then realise how it feels to live as a second class citizen....then really get an ounce of racism and lets she how he will deal with it....DUMBASS
Title: McComie rebukes Fenwicks comments.
Post by: Flex on November 07, 2007, 05:30:18 AM
McComie rebukes Fenwicks comments.
By: Joel Bailey (Newsday).
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Joe Public coach Michael McComie, has lashed out at CL Financial San Juan Jablotehs coach Terry Fenwick over comments he made before and after Fridays Toyota Classic Cup final at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo.
McComie, during the post-match press conference, revealed that Fenwick made a racist remark towards him after Joe Publics 2-1 win, while the Eastern Lions coach was irked at pre-game comments made by the ex- England defender.
Whenever you have foreign coaches coming (down) here, they may be superior to the rest of you all but to me and (my) players, as long as youre disrespecting my players and disrespecting people from Trinidad in particular, I will do what I need to do when it comes to me, said the 35-year- old McComie.
He quoted an article on the Pro League website where Fenwick stated they (Joe Public) dont have the ambition to come at us.
What ambition?, asked an irate McComie. There was a difference in class of the two teams in the second half and that was done purely because of the two coaches.
Hes not a coach that can conduct respect from his own players and players in the league, the Joe Public coach continued. Despite the fact all the nasty words he had to say after the game, all of his players came and shook my hand. And that says something, that says a lot that the cameras dont pick up and people in the stands dont see.
But, yet still, we run and we worship people, maybe because theyre from England and its a football country, McComie added. But I am just as good as anybody. And this trophy is the easiest trophy Ive ever won, and my players alone will understand that, because two weeks now, (our) game plan has never changed.
Regarding Jablotehs tactics, he stressed, I said publicly (before) that long-time English football will not work tonight, and so said so done. Its the easiest trophy I have ever won with Joe Public in the last four years.
Jabloteh football is predictable and I can tell you how they will play now, if the other teams in the Pro League wish to know, McComie noted. At the same time, its no disrespect to the Jabloteh players.
I will say what I have to say in defence of my players and the rubbish that Fenwick talks in Trinidad and the rest of people in Trinidad that makes him feel like a god, McComie added. Hes nothing in Trinidad where football is concerned.
As a matter of fact, his coaching is very much like how he played (for) England when he was the seventh man being passed by Maradona (during the 1986 World Cup in Mexico).
The former national and Joe Public goalkeeper took issue with Fenwicks repeated comments that players from Jabloteh should comprise the majority of picks within the national team.
Yet still, with all the picks that should have been on the team, he cannot win a final, conceding two goals, especially (one) in the last three minutes of play, said McComie.
McComie highlighted the respect factor between himself and his ex-national and clubmate Angus Eve, who is currently the assistant coach at Jabloteh.
Before the game, we said what we have to say and after the game we shook hands, he noted. And Fenwick could come up to (us) and say derogatory things. I wouldnt stoop to that level because my standard is not for compromise.
Stressing that Fenwick called him a derogatory term for persons of African descent, McComie commented, these are the people that (are brought) to Trinidad, and you all encourage our youths, because hes in charge of young, impressionable players.
But then again, this is for one day, and it will be brushed over just as it did when he struck (W Connection midfielder) Gefferson Goulart two years ago and received a $1,500 fine and continues to coach in Trinidad, he continued. Maybe for you all, hes a god but hes a weak coach and (it is) the easiest final that Joe Public will ever win. McComie said that himself and the club will be making respective complaints to the Pro League executive over the behaviour of the 47-year-old Fenwick.
There is a rivalry between the two teams because the two teams have the better players from within the country and the (Caribbean), he said. So there is a rivalry there.
I have absolutely nothing with Mr Fenwick, McComie ended. I dont compare myself with Mr Fenwick.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Diambars on November 07, 2007, 07:51:08 AM
They both seem to be very interesting characters.  But Mcomie is complaing that Fenwick called him the N-word, it was in the news, very specific issue.  So, why is McComie being attacked here?  WE need to wait and see if that is in deed the case.  Because if that did happen all Trinidadians should be concerned, shouldn't we.  Because one can conclude that if this does not bother you, then you are caoable of such actions yourself?
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: just cool on November 07, 2007, 08:22:42 AM
They both seem to be very interesting characters. But Mcomie is complaing that Fenwick called him the N-word, it was in the news, very specific issue. So, why is McComie being attacked here? WE need to wait and see if that is in deed the case. Because if that did happen all Trinidadians should be concerned, shouldn't we. Because one can conclude that if this does not bother you, then you are caoable of such actions yourself?
What's the big deal in calling ah man ah nigger nowadays especially in trinidad, loud steuupes!! them indians has been calling black ppl all kindah f@@kup names since they reach in 18 whatever, and black ppl been calling dem coolie since 18 whatever. i've been called nigga in trinidad on many occasions, till a thought it was meh name, and it was not by any foreigner but by locals. I rather for ah man to call me a nigger and give me a once in a life time opportunity, than to call me brother and stand in my way of progress. so tell meh which one will hurt more, ah man calling yuh someting that is inapropriate or a man boxing food out yuh mouth ? = ask peltier.
Title: Re: McComie rebukes Fenwicks comments.
Post by: Trini _2026 on November 07, 2007, 08:23:40 AM
McComie rebukes Fenwicks comments.
By: Joel Bailey (Newsday).
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Whenever you have foreign coaches coming (down) here, they may be superior to the rest of you all but to me and (my) players, as long as youre disrespecting my players and disrespecting people from Trinidad in particular, I will do what I need to do when it comes to me, said the 35-year- old McComie.
He quoted an article on the Pro League website where Fenwick stated they (Joe Public) dont have the ambition to come at us." that says something, that says a lot that the cameras dont pick up and people in the stands dont see.
But, yet still, we run and we worship people, maybe because theyre from England and its a football country, McComie added. But I am just as good as anybody. And this trophy is the easiest trophy Ive ever won, and my players alone will understand that, because two weeks now, (our) game plan has never changed.
Regarding Jablotehs tactics, he stressed, I said publicly (before) that long-time English football will not work tonight, and so said so done. Its the easiest trophy I have ever won with Joe Public in the last four years.
Jabloteh football is predictable and I can tell you how they will play now, if the other teams in the Pro League wish to know, McComie noted. At the same time, its no disrespect to the Jabloteh players.
I will say what I have to say in defence of my players and the rubbish that Fenwick talks in Trinidad and the rest of people in Trinidad that makes him feel like a god, McComie added. Hes nothing in Trinidad where football is concerned.
The former national and Joe Public goalkeeper took issue with Fenwicks repeated comments that players from Jabloteh should comprise the majority of picks within the national team.


Some month ago he attacking fenwick on spalk ..... and it seems he is angry at fenwick comments ... Plus yuh TEAM score a last minute to win that happens alot ah times in football ... it not like yuh beat them 5-0
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Diambars on November 07, 2007, 08:28:12 AM
They both seem to be very interesting characters.  But Mcomie is complaing that Fenwick called him the N-word, it was in the news, very specific issue.  So, why is McComie being attacked here?  WE need to wait and see if that is in deed the case.  Because if that did happen all Trinidadians should be concerned, shouldn't we.  Because one can conclude that if this does not bother you, then you are caoable of such actions yourself?
What's the big deal in calling ah man ah nigger nowadays especially in trinidad, loud steuupes!! them indians has been calling black ppl all kindah f@@kup names since they reach in 18 whatever, and black ppl been calling dem coolie since 18 whatever. i've been called nigga in trinidad on many occasions, till a thought it was meh name, and it was not by any foreigner but by locals. I rather for ah man to call me a nigger and give me a once in a life time oportunity, than to call me brother and stand in my way of progress. so which one will hurt more, ah man calling someting that is inapropriate or a man boxing food out yuh mouth ? = ask peltier.

WAW, I just do not know how to respond to this level of ignorance, I can onlu offer prayers and hope you see the light one day.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: WestCoast on November 07, 2007, 08:35:14 AM
They both seem to be very interesting characters. But Mcomie is complaing that Fenwick called him the N-word, it was in the news, very specific issue. So, why is McComie being attacked here? WE need to wait and see if that is in deed the case. Because if that did happen all Trinidadians should be concerned, shouldn't we. Because one can conclude that if this does not bother you, then you are caoable of such actions yourself?
What's the big deal in calling ah man ah nigger nowadays especially in trinidad, loud steuupes!! them indians has been calling black ppl all kindah f@@kup names since they reach in 18 whatever, and black ppl been calling dem coolie since 18 whatever. i've been called nigga in trinidad on many occasions, till a thought it was meh name, and it was not by any foreigner but by locals. I rather for ah man to call me a nigger and give me a once in a life time oportunity, than to call me brother and stand in my way of progress. so which one will hurt more, ah man calling someting that is inapropriate or a man boxing food out yuh mouth ? = ask peltier.
aye Just Cool, I think that most people in this thread are posting that it could be a slight exaggeration on McCormie's part as his judgement could be clouded by his assinine opinion of Fenwick.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Diambars on November 07, 2007, 08:39:24 AM
They both seem to be very interesting characters.  But Mcomie is complaing that Fenwick called him the N-word, it was in the news, very specific issue.  So, why is McComie being attacked here?  WE need to wait and see if that is in deed the case.  Because if that did happen all Trinidadians should be concerned, shouldn't we.  Because one can conclude that if this does not bother you, then you are caoable of such actions yourself?
What's the big deal in calling ah man ah nigger nowadays especially in trinidad, loud steuupes!! them indians has been calling black ppl all kindah f@@kup names since they reach in 18 whatever, and black ppl been calling dem coolie since 18 whatever. i've been called nigga in trinidad on many occasions, till a thought it was meh name, and it was not by any foreigner but by locals. I rather for ah man to call me a nigger and give me a once in a life time oportunity, than to call me brother and stand in my way of progress. so which one will hurt more, ah man calling someting that is inapropriate or a man boxing food out yuh mouth ? = ask peltier.
aye Just Cool, I think that most people in this thread are posting that it could be a slight exaggeration on McCormie's part as his judgemwnt could be clouded by his assinine opinion of Fenwick.

How could one exaggerate when a specific word was allegedly used?  If Fenwick did not use the word, then the league should come down very hard on him.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: TrinInfinite on November 07, 2007, 09:20:22 AM
ah cant believe mccommie block peltier, he just adding to the regression of tt football with his bad mind... God does do for those who are wicked...
doh worry peltier, ur time will come soon breddah...

God is de BOSS....
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: spideybuff on November 07, 2007, 09:41:20 AM
Trying to cut through all this BS and get to the heart of the matter:

WHO did Fenwick racially abuse? The keeper or McComie?

Because in the initial report, McComie said the brazilian keeper told him Fenwick said something racist, which is why he threw water at Fenwick at the end of the game. Now the official report filed claims that McComie was racially abused. All the inconsistency with this and then one minute he never call u regarding peltier, then next time he did just does not fit well.

Sooo...which one is the truth Mike? Like u learn well from your paymaster ''ye- ye-yesterday w-w-was yesterday and to-to-today is today''
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Sam on November 07, 2007, 09:48:06 AM
Five Words...

McComie is a BIG CONT !!!
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: just cool on November 07, 2007, 10:13:29 AM
They both seem to be very interesting characters. But Mcomie is complaing that Fenwick called him the N-word, it was in the news, very specific issue. So, why is McComie being attacked here? WE need to wait and see if that is in deed the case. Because if that did happen all Trinidadians should be concerned, shouldn't we. Because one can conclude that if this does not bother you, then you are caoable of such actions yourself?
What's the big deal in calling ah man ah nigger nowadays especially in trinidad, loud steuupes!! them indians has been calling black ppl all kindah f@@kup names since they reach in 18 whatever, and black ppl been calling dem coolie since 18 whatever. i've been called nigga in trinidad on many occasions, till a thought it was meh name, and it was not by any foreigner but by locals. I rather for ah man to call me a nigger and give me a once in a life time oportunity, than to call me brother and stand in my way of progress. so which one will hurt more, ah man calling someting that is inappropriate or a man boxing food out yuh mouth ? = ask peltier.

WAW, I just do not know how to respond to this level of ignorance, I can onlu offer prayers and hope you see the light one day.
Brother by saying what yuh just said indicates to me that you never read one of my post in the past. i am the most voicerous person on this site when it comes to black conscious and race related topics. since i was 14 yrs old i decided to disassociate my self with babylon and the establishment, i saw the light long before you born youth till it almost blind my vision.

 i was a junior member of NJAC and not only did i stop there, but i also went on to attain membership in many black activist ORG in the US and in europe. i was also one of the few trini's who rallied against the KKK when they came to NY NY in 2000 sending them packing. i also marched for justice on many human rights causes , for mumia , yusef hawkins, micheal grifith, amadu diallo, and many more, those are just some of my accolades so don't go there my friend, but there comes a time when you have to be true with your self and look reality in the face and render a fair verdict.

 now i not defending terry fenwick or white ppl, i just don't believe micheal mc commie BC of what he did to those young men, IMO a man who could be so disruptive is capable of any thing. now on the nigger issue. i hate that f@@king word more than any black man on the planet, i remember telling my american cousins not to use that word in reference to me, and that's one of the reasons i don't support rap music period, i rearly listen to it, and when i do it's normally for reasons beyond me.

 when i lived in trini fellas used to think i was on my way to the mental house BC of the way i used to flex back then. if you live in trini then one day you should take a ride up the churchhill Roosevelt, by K-Donna drive inn to be exact, there's a road off the highway, exit on that road leading to st helena and stop and look up, now i don't know if it's still there but when i was working as a temp for BWIA i used to see it all the time, written on the walls of K-donna drive in for the world to see was a slogan that read, NO NIGGERS ALLOWED something something something, by now i forgot the rest of the slogan, but i used to make it my business to ride through on my motor bike every morning and evening to and fro from work.

 i don't know if yuh familiar with that area, but just in case yuh not, that area is predominantly indian and they're not friendly to black folks in the least, cause i work with them at the airport so i'm intimately acquainted with them. the looks i used to get from those ppl was so much like the ones yuh get from venturing into a hick redneck town in the south or upstate NY. in the old airpot itself, if you ever had reason to venture into the bathroom, on the walls told it all, nigger this nigger that and nigger the other, reading those things used to make me feel like i was in another country working, then at evenings i would go home to my own country.

 that's just some of the ill's that plague trinidad which no one wants to talk about that should be addressed , two differant worlds bro, maybe three. so i didn't have to travel to another country to feel out of place , just a few miles to the east did the trick. to put it frankly, my point is this. being called nigger in trini is the norm in someplaces, and if the indians could use it freely and no body don't put it out there or make it an issue , then why not a man who was born in a society that frequently used that word along with others to demean and describe black folks for centuries. so what allyuh saying ? is only ah coolie could call a CREOLE!!! AH F@@KIN NAYGGGAAA ! BTW, doh waste yuh time saying no prayers for me, it have some men on here who is better deserving of those prayers. positive.

PS, i forgot being called ah caprye or capparre by ah indian dude who ah thought was my friend, only to find out from meh dougla friend who had an indian mother, that it meant no good theifing naayggaa.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Midknight on November 07, 2007, 10:26:45 AM
when i lived in trini

for clarification, when was this please ? Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: fordy on November 07, 2007, 10:37:59 AM
i dont know Terry Fenwick personally so i cant say that he is a racist or not, but i do know that idiot McCommie and that boy is ah total fool. without his talent as a goalkeeper, he would be a nobody to everyone because of his attitude. he is arrogant and ignorant and anyone who knows him will agree with that statement. when i heard he was the coach of my former club i told ah good partner of mine joe public discipline will slide down the poll once he is in charge. to encourage your players to taunt the opponents ater such a win is totally classless and typical of mccommie. i will not defend fenwick because of the reports i have heard from quality sources, but i dont know the man. Mccommie i can talk about cause i dealt with the idiot. Joe Public need to take a closer look at the character of their head coach!!! :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: just cool on November 07, 2007, 10:57:31 AM
when i lived in trini

for clarification, when was this please ? Thanks in advance
The last time i lived in trini on a permanant basis was in 1987, i returned many times after that but not permanatly. the last time i remember seeing it was in 1990, may of 90 to be exact. i never paid particular attention to it since then, BC i saw it so many times that it became a familiar site,just like seeing the sun and the moon every day.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: FF on November 07, 2007, 11:00:19 AM
This whole thing sounding like when Mourinho "see" Rijkard in the referee dressing room...

What McComie really hear? or see?

Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Midknight on November 07, 2007, 11:09:18 AM
This whole thing sounding like when Mourinho "see" Rijkard in the referee dressing room...

Wait nah so Mourinho was hiding in the referee dirty clothes basket as well back then ?
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Diambars on November 07, 2007, 11:15:20 AM
"being called nigger in trini is the norm in someplaces,". This must change, if you know and understand the history of the word and why it was used, you will understand that he should not be a norm anywhere!

I am struggling with the picture you are painting of T&T, you are making it sound as though race relations was such a problem in T&T that it prepared or condition you to deal with racism in other places. That is not the T&T I remember. I remeber T&T as a place where people of all races worked together in harmony to achieve the same objective, with a a little class warefare here and there. A feat no other country can boast of, and that is not long ago. Now has it been influenced by other concacaf leaders recently, one can argue it has, but it is hardly the place that prpares one to deal with racism and accept being called a N$##@&.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Dutty on November 07, 2007, 11:16:46 AM
Y know when I was in Form 5 back in st. anthonys...ah len dat boy money once to buy ah beef pie and ah solo from miss Aje canteen

If ah did know he woulda grow up and become such ah wicked beast ah woulda let de 4ker starve
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: kounty on November 07, 2007, 11:23:10 AM
funny how them 2 newspaper articles reporting on the same comments could look so different
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: just cool on November 07, 2007, 12:59:09 PM
"being called nigger in trini is the norm in someplaces,". This must change, if you know and understand the history of the word and why it was used, you will understand that he should not be a norm anywhere!

I am struggling with the picture you are painting of T&T, you are making it sound as though race relations was such a problem in T&T that it prepared or condition you to deal with racism in other places. That is not the T&T I remember. I remeber T&T as a place where people of all races worked together in harmony to achieve the same objective, with a a little class warefare here and there. A feat no other country can boast of, and that is not long ago. Now has it been influenced by other concacaf leaders recently, one can argue it has, but it is hardly the place that prpares one to deal with racism and accept being called a N$##@&.
Well my friend this is the beauty of life, one man experience could take him one place and another man somewhere totally differant. forinstance i know white ppl in america who would swear up and down that there is no racism in the US! non whatsoever! there conclusion would be that the minority population is just being disruptive and wants to complain when there's no reason to.

others would complain about affirmative action and how it should be done away with and there was no need for it in the first place, and how that minorities were not denied opportunity , but that they were mentally incapable of achieving the right to opportunities that white men so freely enjoy. on the flip side there are white ppl who are so envolved in human rights issues and will admit that america has a serious problem when it comes to equal opportunity and race relations, and live their lives with that kind of conviction, that will even put fellers like me to shame.

 so it's all a matter of prospective, based on aweareness and experience. i would not doubt that you did in fact experience unity amoungst the races in trini, which brings you to conclude that our country didn't have a serious race relation problem, and we're not so dividid amoungst racial line as other would conclude. but that's where prospective comes into play again. my experience and the awearness of others proves you wrong. to strenghten my point , let me just share this with you.

since the advent of local politcs post independence the country was divided. the african and cocospanish poipulation would stounchly vote for the PNM , the indian population would vote ULF and tobago would cast their ballot to the DAC. then came the break away from the PNM, forming other parties such as the ONR, PLP, NJAC, TAPIA HOUSE ect. now more of the same, the coco spanish and african still voted PNM the indians still went with the ULF, the ONR had a new support base, exPNM who were fedup with the party for one reason or another , and then the bugiosie, consisting of the white minority the french-creoles and the chinese population, who stuck together since they thought they were better than the rest of the peasants east of the dry river and beyond.

 until this day they still practice that asshole politics divided amoungst racial lines.the parties are a bit differant now cause some men was so hungry for power that they joined forces to defeat the PNM, but the practice is still in place save a concious few who vote for the issues. NJAC was a perfect example. if you ever get your hands on an old NJAC manifesto, then you would see how much of a proggressive party they were, with far more vision and ideas than any one of those parties that raped us over the years and braught our country to it's present state of unemployment crime and underdevelopment.

 NJAC was better for our country, but no one will ever find out, BC NJAC had a black nationalistic style that hampered their sucess and prevented ppl from gravitating towards them. but if you ever get a chance to read up on their policies , then you would see that they had more young energetic educated brilliant minds, who had far more to offer, with insight and ideas to propell our country into the age of technology, instead of the colonial back draft that we found our selves in BC of racist politics.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: maxg on November 07, 2007, 01:19:08 PM
ah taking this course JC..

http://www.njactt.org/
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Sam on November 07, 2007, 01:21:43 PM
Its not ok to call someone a rasist name and in T&T we dont normally do that. It has happened in the past, but generally speaking no one goes around calling a man a nigger or a collie, thats unacceptable.

McComie is a DUNCE, yuh eh see how behind he head flat is nuff callpat he get what he was small.

By the way, isn't McComie half Chinese and Creole ?
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: just cool on November 07, 2007, 02:07:59 PM
ah taking this course JC..

http://www.njactt.org/

Yes fardder big respect. a lot of ppl in T&T don't know what they did when they ignored that party. those brothers and sisters are so insightful and informative that it's such a pleasure to be around them,whether it's listening to a speech or reading up on their literature, and ah not just saying this BC of their black nationalistic out look , but the vision they have for the future. my belief is that if NJAC was given an opportunity, the country would've been far more advanced in terms of technology, infrastructure, economics and quality of life, which includes a crimeless society.

i remember in 1982 the brothers was telling me that trinidad will experience such serge a in unemployment, that it will make a way for drugs guns and crime like you'll never believe. they also said that if the government were to ever go to the IMF, that it would invite crime blood shed and drugs in our country,they predicted an in pending coop and a decrease in literacy amongst the masses if the govt. didn't act quickly to counteract the inevitable.

 they said that the youths that was being born around that time are in serious trouble of becoming future victims of greedy politicians who cared very little for the future of the country and the ppl, and if these visionless colonial heads were to stay ruling the country, a nose dive would be imminent, and from what i heard , they begged ANR robinson not to go to the IMF, but he ignored them and went any way, causing our corrency to devalue further plunging us into economic turmoil.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Diambars on November 07, 2007, 08:29:35 PM
JC, this is way of topic. Can we stipulate that it should be unacceptable for someone to be called a N&%%$#, especially in a professional environment?
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: just cool on November 07, 2007, 10:22:33 PM
JC, this is way of topic. Can we stipulate that it should be unacceptable for someone to be called a N&%%$#, especially in a professional environment?
It's totally unacceptable!! but i don't believe that he did it though. plus you missed the point of my initial post. i was being sarcastic when i mentioned indians and other locals using the word, so why not fenwick. go back and read where i said that i probably hate the word more than any other black person on the planet, that alone would've answered your question.

 my point is, when ppl the likes of sat maharaj and morgan jobe could get away with using the word nigger ON THE MEDIA in the most abusive ways imaginable, and no one even bothers to take them to task on it, or better yet , write an article condemning their behavior, then why try to crucify a foreigner who allegedly used the word, a man who is doing more good than harm to our youths, especially when it's no big deal to use that word in trini any way. WHY THEN THE HYPOCRISY!!
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Diambars on November 08, 2007, 07:39:33 AM
JC, this is way of topic. Can we stipulate that it should be unacceptable for someone to be called a N&%%$#, especially in a professional environment?
It's totally unacceptable!! but i don't believe that he did it though. plus you missed the point of my initial post. i was being sarcastic when i mentioned indians and other locals using the word, so why not fenwick. go back and read where i said that i probably hate the word more than any other black person on the planet, that alone would've answered your question.

 my point is, when ppl the likes of sat maharaj and morgan jobe could get away with using the word nigger ON THE MEDIA in the most abusive ways imaginable, and no one even bothers to take them to task on it, or better yet , write an article condemning their behavior, then why try to crucify a foreigner who allegedly used the word, a man who is doing more good than harm to our youths, especially when it's no big deal to use that word in trini any way.  WHY THEN THE HYPOCRISY!!


I must admit, I did not recognize your statement at sarcasm.  Also, it does appear that we have more in common on this issue than we have differences. And of course, the good old slave master Willie Lynch would like for us to amplify our differences more than anything else.  In addition, I also agree that he appears to be doing more good than harm for the young players in come in contact with.  However, how could to stay in NY, or where ever you may be in the world and suggest he did not use the word, I take issue with that?  No one, not being present and not even knowing the individual character can suggest that he did or did not use the word.  Let the Pro-League investigate and hopefully the truth would prevail, but not until then can we be certain of any truth in regards to this, unless you witnessed the event. 
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: WestCoast on November 08, 2007, 07:54:23 AM
Diambars, do you personally know McCormie to say that in FACT he did hear what he claims he heard, as you also were NOT there. whereas many on here think otherwise because of his HISTORY....
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Diambars on November 08, 2007, 09:25:28 AM
No I do not know him, and I am NOT saying that his claim has credability.  What I am saying let the league investigate and tell us what happen, and we should not be attempting to discredit any of the parties involved until the gather the facts and render a judgement. On the isssue though, none of us should accept the use of the word in question.

Man, I know you can read very well I am surprised by the question ;D
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: just cool on November 08, 2007, 09:57:44 AM
Diambers, lewwe doh make this thing difficult nah. yes there's no way for anyone any where to know any thing for a fact, regardless of distance. even if i lived in the same building with fenwick , this doesn't put me in a better position to know for sure, but what i could say is this , human intuition is some times all we need to render a verdict. now i could be wrong , but my human intuity is telling me other wise.

 and in case i'm wrong , still doesn't make me stupid for standing with fenwick, and it still doesn't demonise fenwick in my eyes, as black conscious as i am. BC of my experience living in the US and in europe, brought me to this reality, sometimes them ppl can't help being who they are , BC of the environment they were raised in, sometimes ah man really mean well , and the ones that i'm talking bout is the ones who really don't want to be like that, not every regular joe. any way, there are times when a man tries to distance him self from his past, but BC of adversity sometimes it surfaces.so don't trow out the baby wid the bath water.

But lemme ask yuh this. what has mc commie done for our youths, that fenwick didn't. all i saw from this guy so far is malice and contempt towards our future stars as the evidence will show, and to add insult to injury, he goes on public television and lied to ah whole nation, just to cover up his bad mind, while destroying the future of some of our brightest stars. i could go onn and onn , but i'll stop here. i'm giving fenwick the benefit of the doubt. positive.

PS mc commie is ah evil lying son of ah bitch, that's why i don't believe him. he truly remind's me of his boss.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: WestCoast on November 08, 2007, 10:41:56 AM
well said, Just Cool :applause: :applause:
McCormie want to HURT ah next man career because the second man players under the first man who he HATES ::)

unfortunately that alone tells me he has a propensity to cause bachanal
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Diambars on November 08, 2007, 11:08:25 AM
We are getting nowhere here, so let's wait on this one to take its natural course.  I say this because, to ask "what has mc commie done for our youths, that fenwick didn't." suggest that one ignored or fail to recognize the previous statement "In addition, I also agree that he appears to be doing more good than harm for the young players in come in contact with."

So let us agree to bring cloture in mean time until a verdict is rendered on this issue, cheers.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Trini on November 08, 2007, 11:56:28 AM
i agree with sam on this one, macomie looking for attention.
Just his words of attack alone show how desperate he is.
Steups.

I looss of more on him now after the U23 fackup.

Imagine he talking about a man who get a beat from the most brialliant footballer to ever play, play in a world cup quarter/semi-final.

Steups.

Fenwick aint a saint by the same token, and if indeed he said racial things he should be punished, but macomie need to calm heself.

Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: just cool on November 08, 2007, 11:01:34 PM
We are getting nowhere here, so let's wait on this one to take its natural course. I say this because, to ask "what has mc commie done for our youths, that fenwick didn't." suggest that one ignored or fail to recognize the previous statement "In addition, I also agree that he appears to be doing more good than harm for the young players in come in contact with."

So let us agree to bring cloture in mean time until a verdict is rendered on this issue, cheers.
Listen diambers, i don't want you to go away thinking i'm some kind of yellow belly, on the contrary, i'm a wounded soldier taking a back seat, i'm tired of the fighting,but you seem like yuh up for the fight, so go through. as a matter of fact i admire and respect your objectivity, i truly do, and maybe fenwick is a disgusting bastard, but you must keep in mind the youths that he's helping to further their careers, even if he benefits by doing so, the reality is , no one else in T&T is doing shyte for our youth ballers, but fenwick . so i say he's lesser of all the evils. believe you me , if it was any one else that made that accusation, i would've been a little more opt to believe it, but that fackin dog mc commie, i hate that cock s##ker wid a passion, even more than jack, and since mc commie hurt them boys, i could never believe ah word he says.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Diambars on November 09, 2007, 06:14:23 AM
No I do not believe that you are a "yellow belly" or anything of the sort, I will pass judgement because you are entitled to your opinion.  I am concerned though that yohappen to "hate" McComie.  Hate is a very big word and I would suggest to try and relieve yourself of such feeling, such feelings can affect your health.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: just cool on November 09, 2007, 06:28:56 AM
No I do not believe that you are a "yellow belly" or anything of the sort, I will pass judgement because you are entitled to your opinion. I am concerned though that yohappen to "hate" McComie. Hate is a very big word and I would suggest to try and relieve yourself of such feeling, such feelings can affect your health.
True dat, but ah can't help it ,he just rubs me the wrong way. it's remenisant of jack.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Diambars on November 09, 2007, 06:37:49 AM
No I do not believe that you are a "yellow belly" or anything of the sort, I will pass judgement because you are entitled to your opinion. I am concerned though that yohappen to "hate" McComie. Hate is a very big word and I would suggest to try and relieve yourself of such feeling, such feelings can affect your health.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Trini _2026 on November 12, 2007, 01:16:57 PM
Check the ttpoleague website you would  a player pointing his hand in fenwicks face it seems...Also if fenwick call mc commnie the n word there was people around ..... yes black people.... look I wonder what sean powers said to fenwick .... yOU HAVE TO WATCH IT REAL CLOSE..

click on the Eastern Lions Celebrate Toyota Classic
 
 
http://ttproleague.com/index.php
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: weary1969 on November 12, 2007, 01:38:47 PM
Idiot 1 and idiot 2. d fact that he bring up d Peltier issue shows his delusions of grndieur who d hell is Mccomie that his letter would have resulted in an uncapped player getting a work permit please. jan michaele eh get 1 and he in Belgium trying to get into d UK.

The fella is a goat pure and simple but that eh why Lester eh get no permit.

All ah allyuh who have a prob with the N word I hope all yuh bun all dem CD's yuh does b listening to because it in appropriate every which way. 
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: Bakes on November 12, 2007, 02:07:55 PM
Idiot 1 and idiot 2. d fact that he bring up d Peltier issue shows his delusions of grndieur who d hell is Mccomie that his letter would have resulted in an uncapped player getting a work permit please. jan michaele eh get 1 and he in Belgium trying to get into d UK.

The fella is a goat pure and simple but that eh why Lester eh get no permit.

All ah allyuh who have a prob with the N word I hope all yuh bun all dem CD's yuh does b listening to because it in appropriate every which way.
This has nothing to do with the matter at hand...if Fenwick is indeed guilty of using the word towards McComie (which I personally doubt) then that is totally different from how rappers use the words in their music.  Let's not conflate the issues.
Title: Re: Fenwick denies racist abuse.
Post by: D.H.W on November 12, 2007, 04:19:59 PM
Idiot 1 and idiot 2. d fact that he bring up d Peltier issue shows his delusions of grndieur who d hell is Mccomie that his letter would have resulted in an uncapped player getting a work permit please. jan michaele eh get 1 and he in Belgium trying to get into d UK.

The fella is a goat pure and simple but that eh why Lester eh get no permit.

All ah allyuh who have a prob with the N word I hope all yuh bun all dem CD's yuh does b listening to because it in appropriate every which way. 
This has nothing to do with the matter at hand...if Fenwick is indeed guilty of using the word towards McComie (which I personally doubt) then that is totally different from how rappers use the words in their music.  Let's not conflate the issues.

whats up my nig....  ;D
Title: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Trini _2026 on May 01, 2008, 08:20:08 AM
Fenwick denies accusation but...
Caledonia fume at Jabloteh 'poachers'
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).


Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA have accused defending league champions, Clico San Juan Jabloteh, of trying to poach their captain and St Lucian star Sheldon Emmanuel and are contemplating a formal complaint to the Pro League executive committee.

Emmanuel, 28, is yet to report for duty this year although he is under contract with Caledonia for the 2008 season. Emmanuel spent the pre-season with United States Major League Soccer (MLS) outfit, FC Dallas, but failed to agree to personal terms with the club.

Caledonia coach and founding member Jamaal Shabazz told the Express that he telephoned Emmanuel in St Lucia on the eve of their April 19 Pro League clash with Defence Force and asked the player to return for the game.

Shabazz claimed that Emannuel asked for more time away as he allegedly received an offer from Jabloteh that he was considering and found "difficult to refuse".

"I know exactly who is doing this dirty work for Jabloteh," said Shabazz, "and I am appalled that they continue this blatant flouting of the rules and this 'who have more corn, feed more fowl' attitude.
 
"I am very, very disappointed."

Jabloteh announced the capture of Emmanuel's signature before the start of the 2007 season only for the player to make a late about-turn. The versatile St Lucian, who is comfortable virtually anywhere in defence and midfield, led Caledonia in a thrilling title chase last year although the club faltered at the death and ended in fourth place.

Not to be undone, Jabloteh started 2008 by declaring Caledonia star and 2007 Pro League MVP, Marvin Oliver, to be their property although he was still under contract with the "Eastern Stallions".

Shabazz could not sway Oliver's desire to leave, though, and Caledonia accepted a $20,000 fee for his services in the pre-season. But Jabloteh coach and former England international, Terry Fenwick, insisted on Tuesday that he has no interest in adding Emmanuel to his ranks.

"We are not tapping him up," Fenwick told the Express. "We are quite happy with what we've got I tried to get (Emmanuel) last year and I just think he messed us around.

"He is an okay player but not someone who I would want in my back four."

Caledonia stuck to their story, though, and insisted that two Jabloteh representatives-on Fenwick's instructions-have been in constant contact with Emmanuel.

The Pro League's transfer window closed on April 25 and Emmanuel cannot swap clubs in the near future unless Caledonia cancel his contract.

In a twist of fate, Caledonia play Jabloteh from 4 p.m. on Saturday at the Larry Gomes Stadium in Malabar. But Shabazz said he would not use Emmanuel as he fears the player is not in the right frame of mind for the contest.

Despite his anger at Jabloteh's alleged indiscretion, Shabazz said he would not stop the player's exit. Emmanuel joined Caledonia seven years ago but the club claimed they would let him leave for considerably less than Oliver.

"When you offer large sums of money to a contracted player," said Shabazz, "it is difficult to expect a player, even under contract, to be motivated to stay with your club.

"If they have an offer on the table that he can't refuse, then no problem big-money Clico Jabloteh. Just give us the money we put out for January, February and March and we will let him go and keep the brotherhood.

"Although the professional thing to do is to squeeze the player, the humanitarian side in us is too strong. Mashallah. (We leave everything up to God)."

Shabazz claimed that Bmobile Joe Public coach Michael McComie and Vibe CT 105 W Connection coach Stuart Charles-Fevrier both showed interest in Caledonia players, within the past week, through the proper channels. He urged Jabloteh to show similar respect to fellow Pro League outfits and promised them a tough time on the field this weekend.

"We see ourselves as a big entity on the field," said Shabazz, "but off the field, we still need to develop in a lot of ways.

"Come this weekend, we look forward to meeting Jabloteh on the field because we know, when the ball rolls, there is no superiority for them despite their heavy financial backing."

Emmanuel will not be in action for either team. But Fenwick has promised to give Oliver his first competitive start for Jabloteh against his former employers.

Title: Re: Fenwick denies accusation but...
Post by: ZANDOLIE on May 01, 2008, 08:33:34 AM
Fenwick denies accusation but...

Caledonia fume at Jabloteh 'poachers'
Lasana Liburd (Trinidad Express)



Thursday, May 1st 2008


But Jabloteh coach and former England international, Terry Fenwick, insisted on Tuesday that he has no interest in adding Emmanuel to his ranks.

"We are not tapping him up," Fenwick told the Express. "We are quite happy with what we've got I tried to get (Emmanuel) last year and I just think he messed us around.

"He is an okay player but not someone who I would want in my back four."

 

Oh garrrddd, hear blatant lie! The man is the best left side defender and probably the best defender in the PL, period.  How Fenwick could say them ting and not buss out laughing  is beyond me. He turning into a real Trickydadian  8)
Title: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Trini _2026 on December 10, 2008, 09:57:35 AM
Terry Fenwick - Jabloteh Segment (FIFA Futbol Mundial #166)

 http://www.jablotehfc.com/videos.aspx


Terry Speaks on why he came to trinidad and tobago

 marvin oliver , manners  on there also
Title: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Tallman on March 11, 2009, 07:49:05 PM
Fenwick eyeing a hattrick of League titles
By Randy Bando (ttproleague.com)


CLICO San Juan Jabloteh head coach Terry Fenwick is keeping his focus on the pitch ahead of the 2009 season.

Jabloteh received a blow prior to this years pre-season when chief sponsor CLICO filed bankruptcy, cutting their sponsorship to the San Juan based football club.

While club management headed by chairman Jerry Hospidales works feverishly on securing finance for the 2009 season, Fenwick sets his sights on the League Championship.

Its the usual circumstances. We started training the Wednesday after Carnival with a full compliment of players, said the two-time League winning coach during one of his training sessions this week.

We have the best squad in the League as back to back League Champions and we are looking to prepare them the best that we can. With the uncertainty of CLICO it is going to make things very difficult but we are hoping to have word on some certainties over the next week, he said.

Fenwick steered Jabloteh to triumph in the 2007 and 2008 League Championship and is well poised to take the 2008 Coach of the Year award. Last season honours also included the Toyota Classic and Lucozade Sport Big Six titles for the Englishman.

We are doing what we can do. We are sure of discipline, and character and we are not allowing the soft centers to get the better of us and we are prepared and ready to win the League again, added the former England international.

World Cup defender Cyd Gray and goalkeeper Daurance Williams are famous names no longer with the club after last season.

United Petrotrin goalkeeper Perry Martin was spotted training with the defending League champions and could be the man to pair off with number one goalie Cleon John for the 2009 season.

Strikers Cornel Glen and Jerrol Forbes, midfielders Marvin Oliver and Elijah Manners and team captain Trent Noel are other famous names currently in training ahead of the new season.

The defending Pro League champions will kick off their title defence on April 3rd and ten days later (April 13) start their 2009 Caribbean Football Union (CFU) Club Champions Cup campaign--automatically qualifying for Round Two.

(http://www.ttproleague.com/cms/Portals/0/Images/Terry%20Fenwick%2002.jpg)

Title: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: E-man on April 16, 2009, 11:34:57 PM
Fed-up Fenwick bails.
By: Lasana Liburd (T&T Express).


Jabloteh lose coach for crucial CFU qualifier

San Juan Jabloteh will travel to Suriname without influential coach Terry Fenwick for a decisive Caribbean Club Champions Cup fixture away to Inter Moengotapoe.

Jabloteh needed a late winner from team captain Marvin Oliver to see off Inter 2-1 at Marabella on Monday-although the visitors played most of the game with ten players-and cannot afford to take progress for granted.

However, Jabloteh CEO Azaad Khan admitted that Fenwick, who led the San Juan club to three T&T Pro League titles in five full seasons including back-to-back crowns in 2007 and 2008, is unpaid since the start of the year and has been carrying out his duties without recompense for the past three months.

Fenwick, a former England World Cup player, is contracted to Jabloteh for another two years, but Khan said, since the financial woes of chief sponsor CLICO, the club's attempt to get a sponsor to pick up their coach's wages have been unsuccessful.

He described Fenwick's salary as "considerable".

"The contract was paid by CLICO before, even though (Fenwick) is contracted by Jabloteh," said Khan. "But that figure is now beyond them."

Jabloteh chairman Jerry Hosepedales said Fenwick's predicament was down to CLICO's collapse rather than the failure of his club's board and insisted they were still looking for sponsors to meet the salary of the head coach, as well as their women's football team and netball programmes.

"I thought CLICO used to pay him," said Hospedales, when asked if the club met their obligations to Fenwick. "Our first responsibility is to the players CLICO is under the control of the government (now) and have decided to fund us at a very low level. But they won't fund Terry's contract."

Fenwick refused comment on his position with Jabloteh and would not confirm whether he refused to travel to Suriname for their next fixture. However, team manager Wesley Webb, captain Marvin Oliver and senior player Earl Jean confirmed that Fenwick would not lead the team in battle against Inter.

Khan told the Express that Jean, who was recruited by Fenwick from W Connection last season and was a substitute in the CFU first leg on Easter Monday, would handle coaching duties in Suriname as Jabloteh's assistant coach last year, Angus Eve, moved to Ma Pau in the close season.

Eve, Trinidad and Tobago's most capped player according to international records, will assist former Joe Public coach and 1991 Under-20 World Cup teammate Michael McComie at Ma Pau.

"Earl Jean is in charge for the short term," said Khan. "When we come back, we will decide what is going on, but people will be surprised at how strong we will end up being. We have a solid structure at this club."

The 37-year-old Jean, one of St Lucia's most celebrated ex-international players, is not certified as a coach although he has a wealth of experience from nearly two decades as a professional in Portugal, England, Scotland and Trinidad and Tobago.

Jean revealed that Fenwick prepared him in advance for his possible departure.

"He let me know what was going on and prepared me to take on the mantle," said Jean. "I am trying to get the players focused and we are hoping that everything is resolved and he will be back with us by next week. We understand what Terry is going through and we all feel for him.

"It is a big loss because he has run a very good programme in Jabloteh for many years and won many trophies. We all have to pull together because we don't want to be out of the (CFU) tournament and we want to show CLICO that we are a good bunch of players and all the money they put into the club over the years has not gone to waste.

"We are going to do everything we can to make CLICO proud to still be associated with Jabloteh."

And there was some good news at the Jabloteh training ground yesterday as the players were finally paid their salaries for last month and received assurances from Khan that the club's financial woes have been sorted out.

The goodwill between administration and players did not seem to extend to Fenwick.
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Sam on April 17, 2009, 05:41:29 AM
Shit.... really sad news, I hope something gets worked out.

Then again, this would be the perfect opporunity for Fenwick to join the T&T national team staff.

Come on Latapy, make the call....
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 17, 2009, 07:51:33 AM
Shit.... really sad news, I hope something gets worked out.

Then again, this would be the perfect opporunity for Fenwick to join the T&T national team staff.

Come on Latapy, make the call....

Exactly what I saying...
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Sando on April 17, 2009, 08:10:37 AM
I really hope the T&T government gets involved in supporting the Pro League.

Many teams need help and they employ a lot of people.

PS: Sam, you are on spot here, I say give Fenwick a shot at the T&T team, we cannot rely on Varnes as he will be occupied with the under 20 team and they need all the attention they can get.
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Socapro on April 17, 2009, 08:19:27 AM
Shit.... really sad news, I hope something gets worked out.

Then again, this would be the perfect opporunity for Fenwick to join the T&T national team staff.

Come on Latapy, make the call....

Exactly what I saying...

Interesting timing! Fenwick is basically screaming out here to Latapy that he is available to assist!

And as JW said, Latapy can have who or whatever help he thinks he requires to maximise our chances of still qualifying for South Africa!

The BIG question is does Latapy believe he can benefit from Fenwick's help or is he more concerned about establishing himself as our head coach without anyone in the wings who can replace him in a blink if things go wrong.

I believe it will be a wise move by Latapy at this point to ask for Fenwick to be included on the technical staff if hes interested as Fenwick is most likely to be interested in a serious role with our national football team at this juncture.

This would free-up Latapy to still concentrate on playing in the middle as he might be required to especially if Yorke is unable to last a full 90 minute against Costa Rica & our other opponents in the Hex in our remaining games.
It will also free-up Vranes to concentrate on the U-20s as they will need all his attention at the moment!!

Latapy, Fenwick & Vranes (when he has the time) could be the perfect management/technical team to help us turn our campaign around and take us to South Africa despite being bottom of the table right now!

In the ideal world Fenwick would have been given the head-coach position with Latapy & Vranes as his assistants but who could have predicted that Fenwick would now be available and Jack would be willing to allow Latapy to do whatever he deems necessary to get us to South Africa!

Will be interesting to see what Latapy does now!!
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: KND2 on April 17, 2009, 08:37:11 AM
Why would he do that.
Jack dont pay either, Just ask Wim and them.

Latapy getting paid with Wittco Stocks and red boxes of cancer sticks. That is the only reason he coaching.
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Controversial on April 17, 2009, 08:40:09 AM
and yuh wonder why the pro league has become a failure in certain aspects :-[
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: elan on April 17, 2009, 08:46:18 AM
I eh get that he making himself available from this article. To me it sound kinda like Jabloteh started marginalizing him. They realize now they cannot meet their contractual payments to him and would have rather seen him go than "pay all that money" to him. The last three lines gave some insight into the relationship.  

Fed-up Fenwick bails.
By: Lasana Liburd (T&T Express).


Jabloteh lose coach for crucial CFU qualifier

He described Fenwick's salary as "considerable".

"The contract was paid by CLICO before, even though (Fenwick) is contracted by Jabloteh," said Khan. "But that figure is now beyond them."

Jabloteh chairman Jerry Hosepedales said Fenwick's predicament was down to CLICO's collapse rather than the failure of his club's board and insisted they were still looking for sponsors to meet the salary of the head coach, as well as their women's football team and netball programmes.

"I thought CLICO used to pay him," said Hospedales, when asked if the club met their obligations to Fenwick. "Our first responsibility is to the players CLICO is under the control of the government (now) and have decided to fund us at a very low level. But they won't fund Terry's contract."



And there was some good news at the Jabloteh training ground yesterday as the players were finally paid their salaries for last month and received assurances from Khan that the club's financial woes have been sorted out.

The goodwill between administration and players did not seem to extend to Fenwick.


Them points really stand out for me. It seems like Jabloteh only care about securing themselves and ZFenwick had to sort out his business himself. They apparently believe that the players can get it done themselves or with any other coach.

This league eh looking like it will last nah.
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: palos on April 17, 2009, 09:14:40 AM
I doh understand dis "messiah" complex peeps seem to be increasingly associatin Fenwick wit.

He's a coach.   An inexperienced one from an international perspective at ANY level at that, yet peeps clamourin for him to coach we national senior men's team apparently because he's had success at the PFL level with local players.  Oh yeah...and he "know de culture".  De same PFL level dat cyah beat teams outside of T&T with any degree of consistency.  But somehow, he's apparently most qualified to get the best out of our footballers to compete at the international level.

I doh get it.
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: g on April 17, 2009, 09:29:07 AM
I doh understand dis "messiah" complex peeps seem to be increasingly associatin Fenwick wit.

He's a coach.   An inexperienced one from an international perspective at ANY level at that, yet peeps clamourin for him to coach we national senior men's team apparently because he's had success at the PFL level with local players.  Oh yeah...and he "know de culture".  De same PFL level dat cyah beat teams outside of T&T with any degree of consistency.  But somehow, he's apparently most qualified to get the best out of our footballers to compete at the international level.

I doh get it.

Tangible success Palos, tangible sucess....

A coach who has taken local players, young local players and has created a track record of success. Of course its relative to a local context and the overall standard of play.

But nevertheless he has achieved it in front of our eyes so for some its credible. The big coaching names being thrown about seems more like a fantasy rather than reality.

I don't about him being the best candidate, but I understand why others would think he is a viable option.
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: PATRIOT on April 17, 2009, 09:33:27 AM
I doh understand dis "messiah" complex peeps seem to be increasingly associatin Fenwick wit.

He's a coach.   An inexperienced one from an international perspective at ANY level at that, yet peeps clamourin for him to coach we national senior men's team apparently because he's had success at the PFL level with local players.  Oh yeah...and he "know de culture".  De same PFL level dat cyah beat teams outside of T&T with any degree of consistency.  But somehow, he's apparently most qualified to get the best out of our footballers to compete at the international level.

I doh get it.

NO "Messiah" but he could certainly add value to the Senior National Coaching set-up! After my boy Stuart-Charles (Who got a VERY raw deal from the TTFF... check his results as NT Coach), Terry is the next most successfull coach in the Pro-League and has a history of nurturing young local talent. He's also VERY passionate, and could light a fire under the under-performers! However I'd prefer to see him be given the job AFTER the next WC and do the HARD work of BUILDING a team for 2014. He's also someone who would NOT take any crap from the Administration and from speaking to players who he's coached/coaches, well respected! P.S. We also go to the same Church.
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on April 17, 2009, 09:37:07 AM
I doh understand dis "messiah" complex peeps seem to be increasingly associatin Fenwick wit.

He's a coach.   An inexperienced one from an international perspective at ANY level at that, yet peeps clamourin for him to coach we national senior men's team apparently because he's had success at the PFL level with local players.  Oh yeah...and he "know de culture".  De same PFL level dat cyah beat teams outside of T&T with any degree of consistency.  But somehow, he's apparently most qualified to get the best out of our footballers to compete at the international level.

I doh get it.

He seems to have a way of getting the younger local players to perform well.  Many of his players are arguably on par or better than some that are consistently included in the NT.  So why not have such a person as part of the staff?  Do you know something about him that has remained under the radar?  It seems like a rational move to have him included.  I think he might possibly make a good coach for our NT but that is Latas job.  Don't see any reason why he'd be a bad addition though.
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Sam on April 17, 2009, 09:54:07 AM
I doh understand dis "messiah" complex peeps seem to be increasingly associatin Fenwick wit.

He's a coach.   An inexperienced one from an international perspective at ANY level at that, yet peeps clamourin for him to coach we national senior men's team apparently because he's had success at the PFL level with local players.  Oh yeah...and he "know de culture".  De same PFL level dat cyah beat teams outside of T&T with any degree of consistency.  But somehow, he's apparently most qualified to get the best out of our footballers to compete at the international level.

I doh get it.

Palos, get real nah. Fenwick hands are free to coach at the moment, Latapy will have to coach and play. Beenhakker not coming back so de only option we have is Fenwick and maybe Stuart Charles as well. Fenwick knows T&T players and have had great success here MORE than our current coach (Latapy) has so why not give him the chance. Besides, we need Latas on the field (for now). Latapy is also inexperienced when it comes to international football coaching, so why not take a gamble on Fenwick is not like Latas any better. Both have to start somewhere and 2 heads better than one.

At this point in time, we need a miracle more than a coach, because for Latas to turn the Warriors into Warriors in less than 2 months and to play CRC a team we NEVER beat in WCQ and then go to Mexico and get a result seems impossible.

Whether is Latapy coaching alone come June 6th, I glad for him, but its not to late to try and get a little help for much cheaper than any other big name foreign coach who will come here and have not heart in T&T football, play 4 games and he gone.
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: KND2 on April 17, 2009, 09:55:41 AM
Patriot let the pastor and them know the collection will be a little light now that Fenwick aint getting paid..... ;D
Tears

The govt should pay the salary, I sure the VP of Clico still getting paid, the shortcutting the football
when yuh bailing out, bail out everybody.
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: palos on April 17, 2009, 10:19:02 AM
Whether is Latapy coaching alone come June 6th, I glad for him, but its not to late to try and get a little help for much cheaper than any other big name foreign coach who will come here and have not heart in T&T football, play 4 games and he gone.

Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months.  Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready.  But HE heart in T&T football? 
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Coop's on April 17, 2009, 10:36:46 AM
Let Jabloteh hull they ass,they thought that wave they was riding on would last for ever,they treated everybody like shyt,Hospedales wanted to be president of Football and Fenwick wanted to be national team Coach,what in the dark must come to light,they give our Football enough pressure bad talking JW and the TTFF,not wanting their players to represent the country etc etc it's easy to point fingers at Clico but anyone with sense knows that day would come some time,lets see who going to dominate Football now,everybody struggling including the league they playing in.
Hospedales eh no different from JW they all about themselves and money,i knew something was not right long time ago with the way they treated those guys from the islands etc and when to see someone like Angus Eve quit water more than flower,i talk to these guys all the time. 
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: warmonga on April 17, 2009, 10:42:48 AM
I really hope the T&T government gets involved in supporting the Pro League.

Many teams need help and they employ a lot of people.

PS: Sam, you are on spot here, I say give Fenwick a shot at the T&T team, we cannot rely on Varnes as he will be occupied with the under 20 team and they need all the attention they can get.

dem have a wall to build dread , government supporting football in we country? yu eh see right after di world cup MR Dicktator took one a di football field to build he house?
war
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Arimaman on April 17, 2009, 10:44:20 AM
Let Jabloteh hull they ass,they thought that wave they was riding on would last for ever,they treated everybody like shyt,Hospedales wanted to be president of Football and Fenwick wanted to be national team Coach,what in the dark must come to light,they give our Football enough pressure bad talking JW and the TTFF,not wanting their players to represent the country etc etc it's easy to point fingers at Clico but anyone with sense knows that day would come some time,lets see who going to dominate Football now,everybody struggling including the league they playing in.
Hospedales eh no different from JW they all about themselves and money,i knew something was not right long time ago with the way they treated those guys from the islands etc and when to see someone like Angus Eve quit water more than flower,i talk to these guys all the time. 

Well said Coops, Jerry in this for himself, take this from a former Jabloteh youth player. 
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: diamondtrim on April 17, 2009, 11:31:11 AM
fenwick???

Steups!!!!!!!!!

D man win some titles at pro league level and everybody sayin he is d man to add on d national team technical roster?? D more ppl support dis chupid idea is d more ah realise y maturana stay so long in he post.

fenwick is ah arrogant, disrespectful, rude and callous person to trinidad football who fail as a proper coach and do a couple tings wit jabloteh LOCALLY!!!

We PFL level not even marginally close to anything near international level and ppl talkin bout fenwick as we coach or assistant or whaever.

Steups!!!!!

let fenwick go back wherever he come from


Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Sam on April 17, 2009, 11:31:38 AM
Whether is Latapy coaching alone come June 6th, I glad for him, but its not to late to try and get a little help for much cheaper than any other big name foreign coach who will come here and have not heart in T&T football, play 4 games and he gone.

Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months.  Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready.  But HE heart in T&T football?

How you know Wim didn't het paid ? forget what you heard, Jack take yuh head. He was playing politics with T&T government. And if you read de article you will see Fenwick wasn't paid for months either. You dont know de man situation so you cant talk. All I saying is I am sure both can work together.
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: palos on April 17, 2009, 11:34:14 AM
Whether is Latapy coaching alone come June 6th, I glad for him, but its not to late to try and get a little help for much cheaper than any other big name foreign coach who will come here and have not heart in T&T football, play 4 games and he gone.

Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months.  Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready.  But HE heart in T&T football?

How you know Wim didn't het paid ? forget what you heard, Jack take yuh head. He was playing politics with T&T government. And if you read de article you will see Fenwick wasn't paid for months either. You dont know de man situation so you cant talk. All I saying is I am sure both can work together.

I heard Wim himself on I95.5 with Andre Baptiste say so on several occasions.  He also said that not only he didn't get paid, but the assistants and he mention men like Anton & Michael Maurice.  he also said that one time, when a cheque finally came, he made arrangements to have dem fellas paid before he got paid.

Now maybe de man lie on de radio.  I jes repeatin what I hear him say.
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Deeks on April 17, 2009, 11:41:22 AM
The US does play WC in different cities. Spain, Italy and Germany does do it to. Even Brazil does play in different cities.  If our team was plenty good, it would not have matter where the game is played. Because our team so shakey we have no confidence in them. I am glad the Tobago got the game, but this was a vaille que vaille decision. All the the reasons people on this site mentioned for moving the game could be true. Only one man decision counts here.!!!
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Bakes on April 17, 2009, 11:42:44 AM
I doh understand dis "messiah" complex peeps seem to be increasingly associatin Fenwick wit.

He's a coach.   An inexperienced one from an international perspective at ANY level at that, yet peeps clamourin for him to coach we national senior men's team apparently because he's had success at the PFL level with local players.  Oh yeah...and he "know de culture".  De same PFL level dat cyah beat teams outside of T&T with any degree of consistency.  But somehow, he's apparently most qualified to get the best out of our footballers to compete at the international level.

I doh get it.

I doh understand why everytime you see Fenwick name mention yuh wood does get hard and yuh want to rush in de thread and say "Fenwick ent do nutten yet".  But yuh doh see nobody complaining about yuh Fenwick Fixation.
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: lefty on April 17, 2009, 11:44:39 AM
The US does play WC in different cities. Spain, Italy and Germany does do it to. Even Brazil does play in different cities.  If our team was plenty good, it would not have matter where the game is played. Because our team so shakey we have no confidence in them. I am glad the Tobago got the game, but this was a vaille que vaille decision. All the the reasons people on this site mentioned for moving the game could be true. Only one man decision counts here.!!!

if feelin like u post in d wrong thread
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: palos on April 17, 2009, 12:04:05 PM
I doh understand

That about sums it up where u concerned.

Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Ngozi on April 17, 2009, 12:10:34 PM
Whether is Latapy coaching alone come June 6th, I glad for him, but its not to late to try and get a little help for much cheaper than any other big name foreign coach who will come here and have not heart in T&T football, play 4 games and he gone.

Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months.  Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready.  But HE heart in T&T football? 

If you not getting your pay for any job what do you gain by staying and not getting paid ...... would you?  Maybe wim stayed cuz he didnt have any options to go anywhere he wasn't a great coach anyway
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Filho on April 17, 2009, 12:13:10 PM
I really hope the T&T government football fans gets involved in supporting the Pro League.

Many teams need help and they employ a lot of people.

PS: Sam, you are on spot here, I say give Fenwick a shot at the T&T team, we cannot rely on Varnes as he will be occupied with the under 20 team and they need all the attention they can get.

Fixed it for you
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: triniairman on April 17, 2009, 12:19:24 PM
The US does play WC in different cities. Spain, Italy and Germany does do it to. Even Brazil does play in different cities.  If our team was plenty good, it would not have matter where the game is played. Because our team so shakey we have no confidence in them. I am glad the Tobago got the game, but this was a vaille que vaille decision. All the the reasons people on this site mentioned for moving the game could be true. Only one man decision counts here.!!!
Yuh just wake up or what? lol are you sure you meant to post in this thread?
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Deeks on April 17, 2009, 01:07:16 PM
Sorry, wrong post!!!
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Trini _2026 on April 17, 2009, 02:56:10 PM
Whether is Latapy coaching alone come June 6th, I glad for him, but its not to late to try and get a little help for much cheaper than any other big name foreign coach who will come here and have not heart in T&T football, play 4 games and he gone.

Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months.  Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready.  But HE heart in T&T football? 

If you not getting your pay for any job what do you gain by staying and not getting paid ...... would you?  Maybe wim stayed cuz he didnt have any options to go anywhere he wasn't a great coach anyway
so what you call the goat that just get fired ?
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: palos on April 17, 2009, 02:59:36 PM
Whether is Latapy coaching alone come June 6th, I glad for him, but its not to late to try and get a little help for much cheaper than any other big name foreign coach who will come here and have not heart in T&T football, play 4 games and he gone.

Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months.  Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready.  But HE heart in T&T football? 

If you not getting your pay for any job what do you gain by staying and not getting paid ...... would you?  Maybe wim stayed cuz he didnt have any options to go anywhere he wasn't a great coach anyway
so what you call the goat that just get fired ?

Sven Goran Eriksson?
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Flex on April 17, 2009, 05:34:08 PM
Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months.  Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready.  But HE heart in T&T football? 

On the contrary Palos, Fenwick hasn't been paid for 2 weeks less than 6 months....
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: palos on April 17, 2009, 05:41:36 PM
Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months.  Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready.  But HE heart in T&T football? 

On the contrary Palos, Fenwick hasn't been paid for 2 weeks less than 6 months....

Yeah breddrin.  Ah was jes bein faceituous.  Fenwick do wha he hadda do.  Hopefully it work out for him.
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Bakes on April 17, 2009, 06:02:11 PM
I doh understand

That about sums it up where u concerned.



You could try dat shit with somebody else fella... your mouth longer dan yuh reach.
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: arrow on April 18, 2009, 09:13:17 AM
Allyuh want this greedy traitor to coach we national team?  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: Ngozi on April 18, 2009, 11:40:55 AM
Whether is Latapy coaching alone come June 6th, I glad for him, but its not to late to try and get a little help for much cheaper than any other big name foreign coach who will come here and have not heart in T&T football, play 4 games and he gone.

Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months.  Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready.  But HE heart in T&T football? 

If you not getting your pay for any job what do you gain by staying and not getting paid ...... would you?  Maybe wim stayed cuz he didnt have any options to go anywhere he wasn't a great coach anyway
so what you call the goat that just get fired ?
The goat that just get fired is a....GOAT nuff said
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: weary1969 on April 19, 2009, 01:14:28 PM
I really hope the T&T government gets involved in supporting the Pro League.

Many teams need help and they employ a lot of people.

PS: Sam, you are on spot here, I say give Fenwick a shot at the T&T team, we cannot rely on Varnes as he will be occupied with the under 20 team and they need all the attention they can get.

They already do
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: weary1969 on April 19, 2009, 01:15:15 PM
I doh understand dis "messiah" complex peeps seem to be increasingly associatin Fenwick wit.

He's a coach.   An inexperienced one from an international perspective at ANY level at that, yet peeps clamourin for him to coach we national senior men's team apparently because he's had success at the PFL level with local players.  Oh yeah...and he "know de culture".  De same PFL level dat cyah beat teams outside of T&T with any degree of consistency.  But somehow, he's apparently most qualified to get the best out of our footballers to compete at the international level.

I doh get it.

Cosign
Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: weary1969 on April 19, 2009, 01:18:21 PM
Whether is Latapy coaching alone come June 6th, I glad for him, but its not to late to try and get a little help for much cheaper than any other big name foreign coach who will come here and have not heart in T&T football, play 4 games and he gone.

Wim didn't used to get pay fuh months.  Look one game alone play dis season, Fenwick eh get pay and he ride out arready.  But HE heart in T&T football?

How you know Wim didn't het paid ? forget what you heard, Jack take yuh head. He was playing politics with T&T government. And if you read de article you will see Fenwick wasn't paid for months either. You dont know de man situation so you cant talk. All I saying is I am sure both can work together.

I heard Wim himself on I95.5 with Andre Baptiste say so on several occasions.  He also said that not only he didn't get paid, but the assistants and he mention men like Anton & Michael Maurice.  he also said that one time, when a cheque finally came, he made arrangements to have dem fellas paid before he got paid.

Now maybe de man lie on de radio.  I jes repeatin what I hear him say.

Let me confirm I mind him 4 months. Anton and all say that he and Barber and dem was not being paid when dey had d under 17


Title: Re: Fed-up Fenwick bails
Post by: weary1969 on April 19, 2009, 01:19:25 PM
I really hope the T&T government football fans gets involved in supporting the Pro League.

Many teams need help and they employ a lot of people.

PS: Sam, you are on spot here, I say give Fenwick a shot at the T&T team, we cannot rely on Varnes as he will be occupied with the under 20 team and they need all the attention they can get.

Fixed it for you

Cosign is d govt fault 300 peeps does go d Pro League
Title: Fenwick mulls court action against Jabloteh.
Post by: Flex on May 09, 2009, 04:17:06 AM
Fenwick mulls court action against Jabloteh.
By: Nigel Simon (T&T Guardian).


Having gone five months without a salary from T&T Pro League club Clico San Juan Jabloteh, Englishman Terry Fenwick says he is now ready to take the matter to court if the need arises. Contacted yesterday, the day the 2009 season of the league now sponsored by Digicel began, Fenwick said Jabloteh had still not communicated with him and told him him of his status officially.

He said: As far as the club goes Im still the technical director and they are actively seeking sponsors to cover my salary. But at the same time I simply cannot continue in this position without being paid. Its simply not realistic. Fenwick began the pre-season coaching the team in readiness for the 2009 season. However, he opted not to travel with the team for a Caribbean Football Union Club Championship match due to a break down in talks over salary payment.

The matter is now a legal one as I feel that someone and Jabloteh are responsible for my contract. This is not the stone age and its not something that they (Jabloteh) could just walk away from, he said. His salary has been rumoured to be over $50,000, but Fenwick, who led Jabloteh to a successful league title-defence last year and was named 2008 Pro League Coach of the Year said he had offered to reduce his wage demands. I informed the board members of the club that I was quite willing to renegotiate and scale down my salary many months ago but nothing has happened.

As it is at the moment my solicitors contacted the club (Jabloteh) over a month ago and we are still awaiting a reply. Fenwicks role at the club became a topic of discussion when mega insurance company Clico, the main financial support group of the club was taken over by government because of financial troubles last year. Vindra Dass, Fenwicks lawyer said, We have not begun mitigation as yet as we would like to give Jabloteh the opportunity to try and solve the matter before it reaches the court. We have not taken the next step of commencing court proceedings, but if the matter is not resolved then we would have no choice but to take the next step, said Dass.

In taking over the company, the T&T Government opted too support the club at a lower level, and this did not include support for Fenwicks salary. Jerry Hospedales, chairman of Jabloteh said the club was still hopeful of holding onto the services of coach Fenwick but preferred not to comment on the latest twist which has seen the matter reaching the courts.
Title: Re: Fenwick mulls court action against Jabloteh.
Post by: Kingk on May 09, 2009, 07:49:27 AM
i hope he can stay in T&T
Title: Re: Fenwick mulls court action against Jabloteh.
Post by: sjahrain on May 10, 2009, 08:15:36 AM
Jack bury the hatchet and do whats best for the Game, give the man a job... :devil:
Title: Re: Fenwick mulls court action against Jabloteh.
Post by: Observer on May 10, 2009, 08:23:47 AM
Jack bury the hatchet and do whats best for the Game, give the man a job... :devil:

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Fenwick mulls court action against Jabloteh.
Post by: weary1969 on May 10, 2009, 01:53:10 PM
Jack bury the hatchet and do whats best for the Game, give the man a job... :devil:

 :rotfl: :rotfl:

Cosign
Title: Re: Fenwick mulls court action against Jabloteh.
Post by: davidephraim on May 10, 2009, 02:17:43 PM
i hope he can stay in T&T

i hope so too.
Title: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Flex on November 29, 2009, 08:11:53 AM
Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Newsday).


Former England international footballer Terry Fenwick has been returned as coach of struggling San Juan Jabloteh who are campaigning in the TT Pro League.

Newsday has been reliably informed that Fenwick has been recalled after making his exit from the team following the financial problems of the CL Financial conglomerate which was owned by Lawrence Duprey earlier this year.

The former England defender gained notoriety when he was dribbled-past by Argentinian midfielder Diego Maradona during the Hand of God goal 1986 World Cup in Mexico.

It is understood that he was considering taking legal action after the club was unable to pay salaries to players and coaches. Fenwicks contract expired at the end of 2010 and Fenwick was reportedly owed millions.

CL Financial reportedly supplied the club with a whopping $350,000 monthly before the collapse. The club which comprises numerous youth teams, a reserve league team, Superleague team, TT Pro League team as well as a netball team were all funded by Clico.

According to the source Fenwick received a monthly salary of well over $100,000 which included bonuses and other perks.

Contacted also Travis Mulraine, the teams assistant coach confirmed that his staff received letters informing them of Fenwicks return to the club for the rest of the season and the following year.

His return means that Mulraines position as well as that of team coach Earl Jean, a recruit from W Connection, could be in jeopardy. San Juan Jabloteh struggled to win any title this year and in the Toyota Cup final they were clobbered 4-0 by Joe Public earlier this month.

Quizzed about the teams performances this year Mulraine said he was relatively satisfied with the performances, considering the exodus of players that resulted from the collapse. Mulraine, a former national midfielder and captain hinted that the spate of poor performances stemmed from indiscipline within the camp.

Mulraine who also missed out on an international contract during his playing days with the Joe Public Football Club in the 1990s said the indiscipline within the camp interrupted their programme this year.

He lashed out at local players for their lack of commitment which has been providing them with their bread and butter daily. He is now aiming to gets his FA A Licence next year.

Mulraine has expressed an interest in coaching at the national level and yesterday he noted that if that does not happen, he will explore his options in coaching abroad saying local players are not ready to take on seriousness of professional football.

In the meantime however, Mulraine is awaiting interests from local clubs in the TT Pro League.
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: weary1969 on November 29, 2009, 08:17:03 AM
OKKKKKKKKK
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Sam on November 29, 2009, 08:37:31 AM
Well good move, Fenwick will surely bring back some disciplined, something every player in the pro league lacks, especially the T&T players, they lazy and only care about the money, they don't like to work hard or earn it.

Hopefully Jabloteh will recover in time for the next concacaf cup.
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: College on November 29, 2009, 08:55:30 AM
Glad he back in the picture.

Next national senior team coach?
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: weary1969 on November 29, 2009, 09:01:04 AM
Glad he back in the picture.

Next national senior team coach?

Right after Shaka replace Camps
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Trini _2026 on November 29, 2009, 09:14:37 AM
Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Newsday).

CL Financial reportedly supplied the club with a whopping $350,000 monthly before the collapse. The club which comprises numerous youth teams, a reserve league team, Superleague team, TT Pro League team as well as a netball team were all funded by Clico.

wha he up to what is  350000 a month  4.2 million  if is 12 months or say 3.2 for 9 mths the season ... may be think a club does run on air !!! ::)
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 29, 2009, 10:51:32 AM
Much needed..these Johnny-come-lately coaches not cutting it.  That is the problem:  they don't have great playing pedigree, just getting into local coaching, and are being plunged into the deep from the get go.  Mulraine is better off going abroad and learning the trade.  Ain't got much to learn from back home; the bunch is spoiled,  if you ask me.
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Bitter on November 29, 2009, 02:02:12 PM
This article, full of errors, grammatical and factual.

Fenwick wasn't dribbled in the Hand of God goal, he was dribbled in the Goal of the century.

Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: elan on November 29, 2009, 02:20:21 PM
This article, full of errors, grammatical and factual.

Fenwick wasn't dribbled in the Hand of God goal, he was dribbled in the Goal of the century.



I did not know when 2010 came and went.
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Bitter on November 29, 2009, 02:48:07 PM
This article, full of errors, grammatical and factual.

Fenwick wasn't dribbled in the Hand of God goal, he was dribbled in the Goal of the century.



I did not know when 2010 came and went.

Check yuh Mayan calendar, 2010 gone looonnnggg time
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Boodsy on November 30, 2009, 06:21:39 AM
Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.

 :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Sam on November 30, 2009, 07:24:02 AM
Earl Jean is a good guy and I believe the players never respected him and he didn't stamp his authority and that was one of the reason Jabloteh did so bad, another is he lacks experience at concacaf level as a coach, but I hope he does not give up and go on to some other pro league team and carry his experience with him.

I met him a few times and he is a very nice fella.
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Trini _2026 on November 30, 2009, 08:27:41 AM
Jean out, Fenwick back in at Jabloteh
Monday, November 30th 2009


Trinidad and Tobago Pro League outfit San Juan Jabloteh have sacked Earl Jean and fellow members of his coaching staff from their positions.

The move ushers the return of former coach Terry Fenwick for the third time following legal turmoil with the club, and a season in which Jabloteh have so far been empty-handed.

I have been around football in T&T over the last year keeping my eyes on players in the Pro League and even in the Secondary Schools Football League, said Fenwick.

Jean came to the position at the start of the season, when the CLICO Group - Jablotehs main sponsors - ran into financial difficulty, and the club could no longer afford to pay Fenwicks fees.

Under the St. Lucians guidance, Jabloteh started the season with a third place finish in the Caribbean Football Union Club Championship, and qualified for the CONCACAF Champions League, where they eventually reached the group stages, but failed to win a single match.

On the home front, Jabloteh failed to recapture any of the three trophies they had won under Fenwick from the previous season.

But Fenwick believes he can put things back together again for next season.

Im now looking forward to taking the club back to the top of local football, said the ex-England international.

I am looking to recruit some young quality players from the school system, and add some players from other clubs who will be out of contract.



 :thinking: :thinking: :waiting: :waiting:
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: GODFATHER on November 30, 2009, 08:32:01 AM

Right after Shaka replace Camps
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IT would be nice to see this happen but very unlikely anytime soon. Having only recently started his new career it's unlikely that he will drop it, uproot his family and move back to trinidad any time soon. Now him being a special advisor to who ever T&T can find to replace Camps sounds very possible.

I do fully support the Shaka Hislop for TTFF President.
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: pardners on November 30, 2009, 10:11:23 AM

Right after Shaka replace Camps

IT would be nice to see this happen but very unlikely anytime soon. Having only recently started his new career it's unlikely that he will drop it, uproot his family and move back to trinidad any time soon. Now him being a special advisor to who ever T&T can find to replace Camps sounds very possible.

I do fully support the Shaka Hislop for TTFF President.
[/quote]

Godfather, I am going to assume you're fairly new...seeing your 20 posts...so word of advice...look out for the sarcasm, otherwise dem fellas going to introduce you to the now infamous Davy Jenny Award.

On a another note, Travis just reaping what he sow when he was a player.  There was hardly a more indisciplined player...passionate about his game, but lacking discipline nevertheless.
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: spideybuff on November 30, 2009, 10:20:56 AM
And once again he misses out on a Champions League tournament...and I don't think Jabloteh qualify for next year, or have they?
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Flex on November 30, 2009, 10:25:32 AM
And once again he misses out on a Champions League tournament...and I don't think Jabloteh qualify for next year, or have they?

Yes, both Jabloteh and Joe Public qualified for the concacaf cup group stages, I THINK the caribbean cup will not be played this time because of the 2010 WC and both teams will go directly into the group stages ?
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: weary1969 on November 30, 2009, 01:53:02 PM

Right after Shaka replace Camps

IT would be nice to see this happen but very unlikely anytime soon. Having only recently started his new career it's unlikely that he will drop it, uproot his family and move back to trinidad any time soon. Now him being a special advisor to who ever T&T can find to replace Camps sounds very possible.

I do fully support the Shaka Hislop for TTFF President.

Godfather, I am going to assume you're fairly new...seeing your 20 posts...so word of advice...look out for the sarcasm, otherwise dem fellas going to introduce you to the now infamous Davy Jenny Award.


[/quote]

Help d brudder out.
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Deeks on November 30, 2009, 04:13:21 PM
So it appears that Jabloteh has money now????????????????????????? Who is their sponsor??? Blink. Who owns Blink?????
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Big Magician on November 30, 2009, 04:15:47 PM
well said Sam
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: palos on November 30, 2009, 04:22:37 PM
Quizzed about the teams performances this year Mulraine said he was relatively satisfied with the performances, considering the exodus of players that resulted from the collapse. Mulraine, a former national midfielder and captain hinted that the spate of poor performances stemmed from indiscipline within the camp.

Mulraine who also missed out on an international contract during his playing days with the Joe Public Football Club in the 1990s said the indiscipline within the camp interrupted their programme this year.
He lashed out at local players for their lack of commitment which has been providing them with their bread and butter daily. He is now aiming to gets his FA A Licence next year.

Mulraine has expressed an interest in coaching at the national level and yesterday he noted that if that does not happen, he will explore his options in coaching abroad saying local players are not ready to take on seriousness of professional football.
In the meantime however, Mulraine is awaiting interests from local clubs in the TT Pro League.

Buh ent he was jes recently a local player?

Ah wonder what it is did cause he to miss out on de international professional contract?
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: GODFATHER on November 30, 2009, 09:46:01 PM


Godfather, I am going to assume you're fairly new...seeing your 20 posts...so word of advice...look out for the sarcasm, otherwise dem fellas going to introduce you to the now infamous Davy Jenny Award.

On a another note, Travis just reaping what he sow when he was a player.  There was hardly a more indisciplined player...passionate about his game, but lacking discipline nevertheless.
[/quote]

Thanks for the heads up but wasn't trying to be sarcastic. Being new I guess I got the quoting thing wrong so it might have seemed like I was mocking the previous writer.
Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Flex on December 01, 2009, 08:25:27 AM
What is amazing is, foreign coaches (most, except for Petrotrin..  8)) could get the best out of our players/teams (T&T [Beenhakker] & Jabloteh [Fenwick]) and the locals are always complaining.

I personally feel the problem stems from the top, the players are only as good as their coach or admin. Lets see what Fenwick will do with his limited budget.

Terry Fenwick took a long time to build a solid young team and when he left everything fell apart. Not that Earl Jean is a bad coach, but maybe he was a bit soft and the players took advantage off that... (???) .. I would have loved to see Jean stay on as Fenwick assistant.
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Trinimassive on December 01, 2009, 12:07:32 PM


Godfather, I am going to assume you're fairly new...seeing your 20 posts...so word of advice...look out for the sarcasm, otherwise dem fellas going to introduce you to the now infamous Davy Jenny Award.

On a another note, Travis just reaping what he sow when he was a player.  There was hardly a more indisciplined player...passionate about his game, but lacking discipline nevertheless.

Thanks for the heads up but wasn't trying to be sarcastic. Being new I guess I got the quoting thing wrong so it might have seemed like I was mocking the previous writer.
Thanks for the heads up.
[/quote]

Look like yuh get it wrong again  :devil:

Doh worry yuh go learn it. OJT

But as for Fenwick. Jabloteh make ah good move because they need to make a better presentation of themselves in the Champions League and the indiscipline that was obviously the main problem had to be corrected. They have some decent players who need direction on and off the field
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Deeks on December 01, 2009, 08:02:33 PM
If our local coaches are that bad, then how come the JP(gulp) coach has them in top form and they are on the verge of winning everything. Although I think connection going to win the FA.  An look how Mau-Pau playing under Mcomie.

I think it was and is all about money. JP and Mau Pau are well financed. The entire Jab. team get real shocked when Clico took a dive and Fenwick heself bailed out. It must have had an effect the dynamics of the team. But now all of a sudden Fenwick is back and everything with Jab go be alright. Money talks. Fenwick got what is owed to him and the team probably got a new godfather. Probably not as rich as Duprey, but have substantial money to cushion their fall.

Also what about Fevrier. This man in TT so long, I almost sure he has his citizenship. I do count him as a local also.
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Flex on December 05, 2009, 05:29:26 AM
Jabloteh start youth sessions.
T&T Newsday Reports.


Terry Fenwick will have his first major task, in his new stint as San Juan Jabloteh coach, when he oversees the screening sessions for clubs Under-14 and Under-16 teams.

The screening sessions will be staged at the Aranguez Savannah.

Today, the Under-14 team sessions will begin, with additional trials scheduled for tomorrow and December 12.

Persons will have to be born on or after January 1 1996 in order to gain selection for the Under-14 squad.

The Under-16 sessions will take place on December 12, 13 and 19, with interested players required to be born on or after January 1 1994. All the days sessions will start at 9 am and conclude at noon.
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Trini _2026 on December 05, 2009, 06:31:29 AM
Jabloteh start youth sessions.
T&T Newsday Reports.


Terry Fenwick will have his first major task, in his new stint as San Juan Jabloteh coach, when he oversees the screening sessions for clubs Under-14 and Under-16 teams.

The screening sessions will be staged at the Aranguez Savannah.

Today, the Under-14 team sessions will begin, with additional trials scheduled for tomorrow and December 12.

Persons will have to be born on or after January 1 1996 in order to gain selection for the Under-14 squad.

The Under-16 sessions will take place on December 12, 13 and 19, with interested players required to be born on or after January 1 1994. All the days sessions will start at 9 am and conclude at noon.

back to work so soon terry
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Tallman on December 07, 2009, 06:41:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/NCnJ2CoR5ig
Title: Re: Fenwick back as coach of struggling Jabloteh.
Post by: Sando on December 08, 2009, 08:07:29 AM
Terry talk like a real boss they !!!!

Happy to see him back. But the real test is the concacaf cup, hopefully he will get the team back to top standard.
Title: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: FireBrand on March 31, 2010, 03:09:49 PM
Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football. 
By: Randy Bando (ttproleague).


"We score in added-on time to draw against Grenada and applaud this as a good result," questioned San Juan Jabloteh head coach Terry Fenwick this week.

"No disrespect intended to Grenada, but there is something fundamentally wrong if that is the extent of our (T&T) International ambitions, the former England international added.

Fenwick was commenting on the recent 1-1 draw by the Trinidad and Tobago U-23s against Grenadas National Mens Senior Team on Saturday night in Grenada in which a couple of his club players were involved.

The team was captained by Jabloteh defender Robert Primus who was praised by U-23 coach Zoran Vranes for his performances as captain and central defender.

However T&T needed an extra time item by recently signed Caledonia AIA defender Daniel Cyrus after Grenada held a 1-0 advantage from the 25th minute through Marcus Julien.

"Grenada has no professional League and would struggle to put two teams together. I must be going mad because I would have seen the result as disappointing, continued Fenwick.

"There can be no comparison between Grenada and Trinidad & Tobago! Yes they may have produced one or two players that have secured contracts abroad but the extent of our development program and the dollars that have been squandered over recent years on twice weekly training sessions, overseas tours, the countless friendly games but we are still seeing Grenada as competition. Please! do me a favor, get real!"

Following the match, according to a TTFF press release Vranes said, "We scored very late but I am very satisfied with my teams performance against Grenadas Senior Team which is preparing for the Digicel Cup later this year.

"We dominated the game for very long periods but they got the first goal and they were very determined not to give up anything. We missed a few good opportunities but Im not worried over our performance from this game because we had them under pressure for long periods in this match," he added.

Meantime Fenwick preparing CLICO Jabloteh for the upcoming 2010 season said in terms of developing players at international level, its poor!

He made reference to both the T&T U-23 (preparing for the CAC Games and upcoming Olympic) and Senior Teams adding, "Ive been to most National training sessions and the sessions are not relevant to football.

"Yes the sessions look pretty to the untrained eye but to the onlooking professional, the sessions lack structure, progression and objective."

Fenwick further explained that he will withdraw his players from National teams training until the season 2010 TT Pro League season has commenced.

"I know only too well that my players attending twice weekly sessions will be dropped like hot potatoes when overseas players return for competitive games," said the three-time League winning coach. "Why should I subject my players to that disappointment in their young careers?

"Im withdrawing my players until the season has commenced. Its pertinent that we get our team (Jabloteh) right for the start of the season [which includes Caribbean Football Union club championship], Contrary to the National coaches, I see every training session as vitally important to the principles of play and winning habits, he said.

Robert Primus, Sheldon Bateau, Jason Joseph, Sheldon Clark and Jerrol Britto are with the U-23s on Tuesdays while Bateau, Primus also joins Ataullah Guerra and Jason Marcano with the T&T Seniors on Wednesdays and Thursdays.

They will all miss national team sessions this week and next week under the directive of Fenwick who believes they are not learning or extending themselves.

Fenwick said there is also concern in the Senior team coaching setup.

"My players are involved in National sessions at several different levels and its my job to oversea their overall development as players. We are delighted with our players' selection at National level but we have been disappointed with the content of sessions.

When players are selected for national teams we must appreciate they have skill sets and national training should be about converting those skill sets into winning teams. And I don't see that happening.

"We have to understand that the TTFF deliberated very long before announcing "No Change!" and Russell (Latapy) continued as head coach. Most will see National football since 2006 WC qualification as a huge failure, and yet we see the same old people in their comfortable positions calling the shots all over again.

The TTFF will reduce their argument to lack of funding but we see the same inexperienced back room management continuing where they have failed before.

"The TTFF is not doing their bit in providing professional and competent support for Russell as National coach. So we are not giving him a chance. We recently saw Marvin Faustin, nice guy, recruited as assistant coach but now we have not one, but two very inexperienced coaches with no real program going forward.

"My comments are not meant to offend but merely extend an opinion on a professional basis. When it all turns sour for Russell, the TTFF will undoubtedly turn to Dwight as the next step. Only when these two National hero's have ruined their coaching careers will the TTFF look further than the end of their noses.

I think it is very unfair on both Russell and Dwight to be exposed in this way. I believe Russell is doing the job for all the right reasons but is ill equipped to succeed.

"I think we should be doing much better than we are at every level...unfortunately inexperience and lack of competence at management level will have us fall short in meaningful competitions." ended the Jabloteh coach.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: dinho on March 31, 2010, 03:20:19 PM
The more i hear of this man, the more I feel like this man should be involved in our national team program.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 31, 2010, 03:21:28 PM
lord fenwick calm down man
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: royal on March 31, 2010, 03:22:46 PM
well we'll see Jabloteh this rounds.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: frico on March 31, 2010, 03:23:04 PM
Kick dem in de bollocksTel,let them know that changes needs to happen.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: kounty on March 31, 2010, 03:42:44 PM
 :applause:  wow!
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on March 31, 2010, 04:20:10 PM
man damn right..Players celebrated after the match like it was a win.
I have played against the teams that have most of the national players here and we have beaten or drawn all of them with our university team that only trains once a week. PLus the grenada national team only trained for 5 days before this match! They did not even have a proper coach before that!
I don't care how much trouble Grenada has given in recent history, there is no excuse to not beat that side that was in the stadium on the weekend
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: PATRIOT on March 31, 2010, 04:26:25 PM
The more i hear of this man, the more I feel like this man should be involved in our national team program.
AGREE 100%... UNfortunately, it's precisely BECAUSE of his outspokeness that he would NEVER get a National Coaching position under the current regime... but maybe one day down the road we may get our wish...
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Dinner Mints on March 31, 2010, 04:40:30 PM
The more i hear of this man, the more I feel like this man should be involved in our national team program.
That might be the worst thing to ever happen to him.

If his results ain't anything above mediocre, the backlash (even from this very forum) would be very nasty.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: just cool on March 31, 2010, 04:42:31 PM
The more i hear of this man, the more I feel like this man should be involved in our national team program.
AGREE 100%... UNfortunately, it's precisely BECAUSE of his outspokeness that he would NEVER get a National Coaching position under the current regime... but maybe one day down the road we may get our wish...
If memory serves me right, didn't he said with his own mouth that he's been offered the job on quite ah few occasions? so why would he take it now or any other time for that matter ?
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Babalawo on March 31, 2010, 04:46:42 PM
well we'll see Jabloteh this rounds.
co-sign
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: palos on March 31, 2010, 04:48:31 PM

"I know only too well that my players attending twice weekly sessions will be dropped like hot potatoes when overseas players return for competitive games," said the three-time League winning coach.

"My players are involved in National sessions at several different levels and its my job to oversea their overall development as players.

I always suspected Fenwick was an agent masquerading as a coach.  :devil:
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Trinimassive on March 31, 2010, 05:22:03 PM
Fenwick need to come to some kinda compromise with the National Coach.

It's almost ah damn if he do and damn if he don't.

I really don't see too much overseas players being called up for the National Team unless Latas smoking something real strong. Most of them close to 30 or over 30. The next World Cup is 4 years away. So there is pretty much no point bringing in players that will be taking ah spot from a younger player. Add 4 years to the overseas players near 30 and they will be below average (which most ah dem average regardless if they the best we have now).

Might as well take the younger players now and work with them like Latas want to twice a week for the next 2-4 years (if possible). That team may not have strong players individually but they will be stronger as a unit.

So there in lies the problem. Would Latas who is working with young players now pick Jabloteh players who hasn't trained with the National Team (like happened before when Fenwick didn't allow his players to train with the National Team) or will he pick them because they better than some of the players he will be training from other clubs.

Fenwick damn if he do and damn if he don't.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Coop's on March 31, 2010, 06:32:48 PM
Not because the man may not want the job means he can't or should not talk,nobody in T&T Football likes to be told the truth,our Football is the way it is because everybody afraid to talk,why,because their bread and butter will get cut,if Fenwickk feels to talk i think it's a good thing for our Football,it's the same reason people don't like Alvin because they say he talks too much,wheather it's good or bad i like to hear these guys talk,if you listen to Fenwick he always says he is talking from a professional point of view,the problem is he is dealing with a bunch of amateurs,anybody who knows T&T Football will realize we are always spinning top in mud, Latapy still playing man in the middle with international players.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Big Magician on March 31, 2010, 06:48:25 PM
baba and royal...why we have to wait and see jab this rounds ???
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: palos on March 31, 2010, 07:21:53 PM
man damn right..Players celebrated after the match like it was a win.

Come on man.

Comin back to score in the dregs to rescue ANY MATCH is a tremendous relief for ANY side, regardless of the opposition.

Me eh know wha allyuh expeck nah.  Yes we should be beatin Grenada but de ball round.  Anyting could happen.

Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on March 31, 2010, 07:24:22 PM
palos goal celebration cool i expect that...after the match going to the sidelines and jumping up and down and dancing? come nah
u hadda admit that overdone
as i said before, acknowledge yuh supporters but all the dancing and thing not needed, they should not have been that pleased with the result
but hey trinis like any excuse to party, so if u accept that well good for u
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Sam on March 31, 2010, 07:46:17 PM
"Ive been to most National training sessions and the sessions are not relevant to football.

Big up Terry, tell them...

For us to be successful, we need to have a strong and organised administration.

How could Latapy work under such poor administration makes him look like he grasping at straws and will kill his rep if he don't stamp his authority. He needs to force some sort of respect, at present, he just buying time.

Some people may say I eh like Latas as coach, but to be honest he has not impress me this far, but I have a little petie for him because the people he working for making him look more bad, but again, he eh seem like he mind, he just want ah wok....

As for Vranes, I can't believe we spend so much time and money on this current under 23 team and yet we playing like we unsure.

Something needs to be done and fast.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Socapro on March 31, 2010, 08:05:07 PM
Big-up to Fenwick for talking the truth!

Maybe if someone in the TTFF listens we can rescue our football before it gets to the point where we start regularly celebrating drawing with teams like Grenada, St Kitts & Bermuda as some sort of massive achievement!
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: fitzinho on March 31, 2010, 08:51:11 PM
Anybody notice he refers to the T&T National team as "we" and "our team". Shows me where his loyalty lies if he considers here his home...FENWICK FOR NATIONAL COACH!!! :beermug: :beermug: :devil:
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: STEUPS!! on March 31, 2010, 10:06:43 PM
Not because the man may not want the job means he can't or should not talk,nobody in T&T Football likes to be told the truth,our Football is the way it is because everybody afraid to talk,why,because their bread and butter will get cut,if Fenwickk feels to talk i think it's a good thing for our Football,it's the same reason people don't like Alvin because they say he talks too much,wheather it's good or bad i like to hear these guys talk,if you listen to Fenwick he always says he is talking from a professional point of view,the problem is he is dealing with a bunch of amateurs,anybody who knows T&T Football will realize we are always spinning top in mud, Latapy still playing man in the middle with international players.

 when he had d opportunity to help, he declined (if what he said about him bein offered d head coach position is true)

what good his talkin an givin speech goin an do d team  now? if he so concerned bout d state of we football why he didnt take d position? (an workin for jack warner shouldnt be d excuse)

fenwick jus like d rest ah we! all ah we is just mouth murderers. we only have talk. no action
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Deeks on March 31, 2010, 10:09:21 PM
Not because the man may not want the job means he can't or should not talk,nobody in T&T Football likes to be told the truth,our Football is the way it is because everybody afraid to talk,why,because their bread and butter will get cut,if Fenwickk feels to talk i think it's a good thing for our Football,it's the same reason people don't like Alvin because they say he talks too much,wheather it's good or bad i like to hear these guys talk,if you listen to Fenwick he always says he is talking from a professional point of view,the problem is he is dealing with a bunch of amateurs,anybody who knows T&T Football will realize we are always spinning top in mud, Latapy still playing man in the middle with international players.

 when he had d opportunity to help, he declined (if what he said about him bein offered d head coach position is true)

what good his talkin an givin speech goin an do d team  now? if he so concerned bout d state of we football why he didnt take d position? (an workin for jack warner shouldnt be d excuse)

fenwick jus like d rest ah we! all ah we is just mouth murderers. we only have talk. no action

There is always one caveat ..........
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Bakes on March 31, 2010, 10:22:37 PM
when he had d opportunity to help, he declined (if what he said about him bein offered d head coach position is true)

what good his talkin an givin speech goin an do d team  now? if he so concerned bout d state of we football why he didnt take d position? (an workin for jack warner shouldnt be d excuse)

fenwick jus like d rest ah we! all ah we is just mouth murderers. we only have talk. no action

So if you see some shit go down dat ent sit right with you... then man come and offer you a chance to be part ah de same shit and you say "no", dat mean you forever foreclosed from criticizing de shit in future?  Because ostensibly you had a chance to help clean up de shit and yuh decide tuh pass?  Nah, I cyah agree with that.  Fenwick eh dotish... blacklist players money tie up and now that more and more financial scrutiny coming down on Jack that he cyah tief like he used to.  Now he decide he money eh jumping up no more.  Why Fenwick should take de wuk with all that instability and uncertainty surrounding it?

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Side note... is YEARS now I fuh one saying he's de best man fuh de job and man talk all kinah shit.  Coop's even you self say is juss cause he's ah foreigner man biggin him up and how he campaigning fuh wuk.  Gload to see others recogninzing the same qualities I and others see in him long time.

Fitzinho... dat tent nutten new with Fenwick, he Trini long time lol
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: davidephraim on March 31, 2010, 10:46:46 PM
Not because the man may not want the job means he can't or should not talk,nobody in T&T Football likes to be told the truth,our Football is the way it is because everybody afraid to talk,why,because their bread and butter will get cut,if Fenwickk feels to talk i think it's a good thing for our Football,it's the same reason people don't like Alvin because they say he talks too much,wheather it's good or bad i like to hear these guys talk,if you listen to Fenwick he always says he is talking from a professional point of view,the problem is he is dealing with a bunch of amateurs,anybody who knows T&T Football will realize we are always spinning top in mud, Latapy still playing man in the middle with international players.

I saw Messi and dem playin man in de middle today on International TV. Correct me if I am wrong.
and as for Just loving to hear people talk whether it good or bad well.... Ill take de good and others can accept the bad. Alvin Corneal will forever border on bad until he incorporates his son in de mix when he is criticizin.
as for Terry.. I agree with most of what he is saying in terms of Latas needing good help. Faustin is good local help but for preparing the team for Int'l Latas will need the help of an int'l defensive coach the likes of Wim and better. I dont know that Terry can get that job either. Also as far as barring the players from national duty go, Fenwick is only doing it for another 2-3 sessions until PFL season start. That is not too much to ask I believe.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Babalawo on April 01, 2010, 12:12:04 AM
 media officers responses to fenwich on facebook...

oops he deleted it.
Title: Jablotehs Fenwick slams T&TFF
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 01, 2010, 03:14:50 AM
Jablotehs Fenwick slams T&TFFwithdraws players from national training
Guardian: 1 Apr 2010

Outspoken Clico San Juan Jabloteh English coach, Terry Fenwick, has slammed the development of players for the international level by the T&T Football Federation as being poor. The former England international and 1986 World Cup player made reference to both the T&T Under-23 team which is preparing for the Central American and Caribbean (CAC) Games and upcoming Olympic qualifiers and senior teams. Ive been to most national training sessions and the sessions are not relevant to football.

Yes, the sessions look pretty to the untrained eye but to the onlooking professional, the sessions lack structure, progression and objective. Fenwick, a former England International, further explained that he will withdraw his players from national teams training until the 2010 season Digicel T&T Pro League season commenced on April 9. I know only too well that my players attending twice weekly sessions will be dropped like hot potatoes when overseas players return for competitive games, said the three-time Pro League winning coach. Why should I subject my players to that disappointment in their young careers?

Contrary to the national coaches, I see every training session as vitally important to the principles of play and winning habits, he said. Currently Jablotehs Robert Primus, Sheldon Bateau, Jason Joseph, Sheldon Clark and Jerrol Britto are training with the Under-23s on Tuesdays, while Bateau and Primus joins Ataulla Guerra and Jason Marcano with the national senior training squad on Wednesdays and Thursdays. They will all miss national team sessions this week and will do so again next week under the directive of Fenwick, who believes they are not learning or extending themselves.

expresses concern in T&T senior coaching setup
Fenwick said there is also concern in the senior team coaching setup. My players are involved in national sessions at several different levels and its my job to oversee their overall development as players. We are delighted with our players' selection at national level but we have been disappointed with the content of sessions. When players are selected for national teams we must appreciate they have skill sets and national training should be about converting those skill sets into winning teams. And I don't see that happening.

We have to understand that the T&TFF deliberated very long before announcing No Change! and Russell (Latapy) continued as head coach. Most will see national football since 2006 World Cup qualification as a huge failure, and yet we see the same old people in their comfortable positions calling the shots all over again. The local federation will reduce their argument to lack of funding but we see the same inexperienced back room management continuing where they have failed before. The T&TFF is not doing their bit in providing professional and competent support for Russell as national coach. So we are not giving him a chance. We recently saw Marvin Faustin, a nice guy, recruited as assistant coach but now we have not one, but two very inexperienced coaches with no real programme going forward.

My comments are not meant to offend but merely extend an opinion on a professional basis. When it all turns sour for Russell, the T&TFF will undoubtedly turn to Dwight Yorke as the next step. Only when these two national heroes have ruined their coaching careers will the T&TFF look further than the end of their noses. I think it is very unfair on both Russell and Dwight to be exposed in this way. I believe Russell is doing the job for all the right reasons but is ill equipped to succeed. I think we should be doing much better than we are at every level...unfortunately inexperience and lack of competence at management level will have us fall short in meaningful competitions. said the Jabloteh coach.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: CarenageBoy on April 01, 2010, 03:21:49 AM
The more i hear of this man, the more I feel like this man should be involved in our national team program.
AGREE 100%... UNfortunately, it's precisely BECAUSE of his outspokeness that he would NEVER get a National Coaching position under the current regime... but maybe one day down the road we may get our wish...
If memory serves me right, didn't he said with his own mouth that he's been offered the job on quite ah few occasions? so why would he take it now or any other time for that matter ?

I could think of at least one good reason why he may have declined the offer. Beenhakker was ready to walk away also if he didn't have the control he needed to get the job done. Why should Fenwick take the job if he's going to feel hamstrung or hindered from doing his job?
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: frico on April 01, 2010, 03:27:32 AM
Face it man no Trini is good enough to take the job of TT football coach,FOREIGN PLEASE.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 01, 2010, 05:06:48 AM
Face it man no Trini is good enough to take the job of TT football coach,FOREIGN PLEASE.

Ah feel Calder Hart could run for this position....
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Brownsugar on April 01, 2010, 05:17:52 AM
Not because the man may not want the job means he can't or should not talk,nobody in T&T Football likes to be told the truth,our Football is the way it is because everybody afraid to talk,why,because their bread and butter will get cut,if Fenwickk feels to talk i think it's a good thing for our Football,it's the same reason people don't like Alvin because they say he talks too much,wheather it's good or bad i like to hear these guys talk,if you listen to Fenwick he always says he is talking from a professional point of view,the problem is he is dealing with a bunch of amateurs,anybody who knows T&T Football will realize we are always spinning top in mud, Latapy still playing man in the middle with international players.

 when he had d opportunity to help, he declined (if what he said about him bein offered d head coach position is true)

what good his talkin an givin speech goin an do d team  now? if he so concerned bout d state of we football why he didnt take d position? (an workin for jack warner shouldnt be d excuse)

fenwick jus like d rest ah we! all ah we is just mouth murderers. we only have talk. no action

Queen girl for the answer to yuh question check Patriot post above......and yes working for Jack would be the number one excuse.....
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: fordy on April 01, 2010, 07:13:23 AM
Terry come out swinging dey boy!! ah fully endorse his sentiments!! its ridiculous to be drawing with the likes of grenada, especially a grenada team without two of their big guns. most of these players on our team just played in a youth world cup and to have them draw against a local grenada team is nonsense. terry right in every aspect. i never been in a session of his, but based on his comments it seems he has his players best interest at heart...along with the club. before I saw primus for the first time as a jabloteh player i saw fenwick comment on him and he rated him so highly i was like...who the hell is this player. then i saw for myself the quality this youth has and i gained a new respect for that coach. its a shame that after all this is said and done, we will be right back to the same campaign we had previously. all what he said was in vain and the bullshit will continue until the TTFF mafia regime is disbanded.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: chelsealife on April 01, 2010, 07:49:25 AM
Fenwick for National coach. I've been saying that a while now even b4 beenhakker but my emails to "TTFF Media Officer" have all failed to garner a response. Players have been suggested and still not even a trial. Our set up is s*** and Latas WILL fail. He should be a youth coach and Fenwick 4 d seniors. Never gna happen though. TOUGH!!
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Bitter on April 01, 2010, 10:11:27 AM
How much times Jabloteh win the CFU club championship or the Concacaf Champions League, or even ?

We know they can compete for the local titles, but vs outside competition, how have they fared? Is the level of success due to players? Coaching?

What other accolades this fella have? What titles he lead Portsmouth to? Northampton town? Where do we have proof of his superior international-level coaching skills?
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: triniairman on April 01, 2010, 10:25:46 AM
How much times Jabloteh win the CFU club championship or the Concacaf Champions League, or even ?

We know they can compete for the local titles, but vs outside competition, how have they fared? Is the level of success due to players? Coaching?

What other accolades this fella have? What titles he lead Portsmouth to? Northampton town? Where do we have proof of his superior international-level coaching skills?
Does it matter? If we could give Latas the job, and he have more coaching experience than him, why can't we give it to him?
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on April 01, 2010, 10:26:33 AM
How much times Jabloteh win the CFU club championship or the Concacaf Champions League, or even ?

We know they can compete for the local titles, but vs outside competition, how have they fared? Is the level of success due to players? Coaching?

What other accolades this fella have? What titles he lead Portsmouth to? Northampton town? Where do we have proof of his superior international-level coaching skills?

Fella if nothing else the man have a better understanding of what needs to be done.

And fuh anybody who feel he shouldn't talk because he never accepted the position when offered consider this:  Fenwick knows what he wants to do and has his own vision.  Based on the personality and approach he was right not to accept considering he would have ended up abandoning the position out of frustration with Jack and TTFF.  I don't see them giving him the kind of respect they gave Leo so what really would be the use?  Does that mean he shouldn't comment?  IMO he damn right to withdraw he players from dem substandard sessions Latapy runnin.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: maxg on April 01, 2010, 10:27:07 AM
Fenwick - Technical Director
Latas - Natl Men coach.
Flex/Fuentes - media officers
R Braithwaite (manager)
Medical Staff - Terrence Babwah (Team Doctor), Zeph Nicholas (Sports Therapist), Wayne Lawson (Physical Trainer), Oba Gulston (Physiotherapist)
Equipment Staff - Ikin Williams (Equipment Manager), Esmond O'Brien (Assistant)


Board of Directors
L Phillips (COO)
A Corneal(consultant)
E Cummings (consultant)
D Yorke   (consultant)
S Hart     (consultant)
S Hislop    (Player Union Rep)
K Nunez-Tesheira (consultant)
G Hunt   (consultant)
J Warner (consultant)
D Skeene (consultant)
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: frico on April 01, 2010, 10:35:18 AM
Face it man no Trini is good enough to take the job of TT football coach,FOREIGN PLEASE.

Ah feel Calder Hart could run for this position....
If Calder Hart is foreign then give the man a chance but as far as I am concerned Latapy or no other Trini is qualified to do that job,our people dont have a clue.Soca,sex,party and Carnival we can teach but we cyah coach nobody how to play football to win.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Controversial on April 01, 2010, 10:52:05 AM
this is one of the only times i agree with fenwick for pulling out his players, hes right in everything that has been said. even if hes not the man for the job, we need someone who is experience and knows intl football from a coaching perspective.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: supporter on April 01, 2010, 02:07:59 PM
 :applause: :flamethrower:

Fenwick is 10000% correct once again. I would love to see him as national coach. The regime needs to change.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Deeks on April 01, 2010, 02:21:32 PM
All you guys who asking for Fenwick to coach, still not looking at the bigger picture. Why would Fenwick want to coach under this current TTFF admin? I tell all yuh there is one caveat in the TT national coaching job. If the special advisor was to offer any one of all yuh the job, what it is you all will be asking for that latas ain't ask for.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on April 01, 2010, 02:36:09 PM
Terry is a boss....should have been given the job post Wim...unfortunately he will never get it unless Yorke ask Jack...so Terry best bet is to become tight with Dwighty
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: grskywalker on April 01, 2010, 08:16:37 PM
I give Fenwick my full support in all of his comments. From strike squad to soca warriors to world cup to nothing. We have not learned a damn thing from all these experiences. I agree in appointing Yorke and Latas but neither have any real achievemnets in the coaching area and we are sorely lacking in the methods of training. Football training/coaching  is a science that must be studied and practiced by qualified individuals when it comes to international representation
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: KND2 on April 02, 2010, 07:00:08 AM
at the end of the day football is played on the pitch is 11 v 11 one ball and two goal post.

That is why we play the game

whether or not grenada have a pro league is irrelevant.

people just like to point at this and that as to why this team should beat this team

but at the end of the day you have to play on the field the pedegree of the players and leagues and all that dont matter if on the field you do not perform.

Fenwick like to hear himself talk

This big hoorah is just a smoke screen so he can omit the Jabloteh players from practice and give his squad the best chance to win the pro league

nothing wrong with that. but the National team will have to go on with who is available.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: dreamer on April 02, 2010, 07:25:03 AM
Plenty sense yuh talkin' KND. Doh take on Fenwick too seriously. He is reading this board and understands divide and rule very well like a classic polarizing politician
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: maxg on April 02, 2010, 02:15:16 PM
at the end of the day football is played on the pitch is 11 v 11 one ball and two goal post.

That is why we play the game

whether or not grenada have a pro league is irrelevant.

people just like to point at this and that as to why this team should beat this team

but at the end of the day you have to play on the field the pedegree of the players and leagues and all that dont matter if on the field you do not perform.

Fenwick like to hear himself talk

This big hoorah is just a smoke screen so he can omit the Jabloteh players from practice and give his squad the best chance to win the pro league

nothing wrong with that. but the National team will have to go on with who is available.
point boy
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: just cool on April 02, 2010, 06:08:48 PM
at the end of the day football is played on the pitch is 11 v 11 one ball and two goal post.

That is why we play the game

whether or not grenada have a pro league is irrelevant.

people just like to point at this and that as to why this team should beat this team

but at the end of the day you have to play on the field the pedegree of the players and leagues and all that dont matter if on the field you do not perform.

Fenwick like to hear himself talk

This big hoorah is just a smoke screen so he can omit the Jabloteh players from practice and give his squad the best chance to win the pro league

nothing wrong with that. but the National team will have to go on with who is available.
point boy
You KND and dreamer need glasses, as well as ah course in english!! i believe is you and not fenwick who likes tuh hear themselves, since the point of the topic evaded your basic capacity to understand the english language!

fenwick was not disturbed by the fact we lost to grenada, but rather, the poor state of our football, and with all that we have @ our disposal, we should be so far ahead of all our caribbean rivals and not on par.

with what we've been afforded with, TNT football should be miles and miles ahead and apart from our caribbean neighbors that we should be competing with the worlds best, or @ least stronger competition. we have facilities, we have money, we have ah pro league, we have wold class players, so what's the problem?,

we have players who are or were on par with the worlds best! so why are we still underachieving? that was the premise of man's article, that was his point! not to malign grenada or our players, but management! BC the first thing he said was, " no disrespect to grenada" but ah guess you are too opinionated tuh catch that?
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: maxg on April 02, 2010, 06:37:28 PM
so YOU didn't know that, until Fenwick say it ? or is a case of now Fenwick say it, it finally official ? Or is it a case of is the 1st time anybody important say it ? No guy, nobody doh need glasses to see we need ah football body, but shim everybody dun know that...the majority here crying that for years....the point I got from KND post, is Fenwick voicing it now, don't mean it fix,edit: he just bumping he gums, an covering he tail for pulling he boys.....btw, I do need glasses, your calling it, doh make meh eyes fix or even possible for me to see all of ah sudden, ...oh well, as usual you may not follow what I say, cause I need ah voice too   ;D
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: just cool on April 02, 2010, 08:01:34 PM
so YOU didn't know that, until Fenwick say it ? or is a case of now Fenwick say it, it finally official ? Or is it a case of is the 1st time anybody important say it ? No guy, nobody doh need glasses to see we need ah football body, but shim everybody dun know that...the majority here crying that for years....the point I got from KND post, is Fenwick voicing it now, don't mean it fix,edit: he just bumping he gums, an covering he tail for pulling he boys.....btw, I do need glasses, your calling it, doh make meh eyes fix or even possible for me to see all of ah sudden, ...oh well, as usual you may not follow what I say, cause I need ah voice too   ;D
Breds, it's clear that KND was offended with the comments, which lead him to say "it's irrelevant if grenada has ah pro league or not" then he went on to talk some simple talk about player pedigree, while all the time missing the point of the post, then you went on to agree by saying "point boy", when the fella didn't really have ah point after all.

when ah man could say that 11 vs 11 anything could happen, iz just pure unadulterated slop!! we all know any team could beat any team on any given day, but when the stakes are high, those odds seem to diminish. it's like saying newzeland could beat holland in ah WC final.

or W connection could beat barcelona in the world club finals is just ludicrous! class and pedigree iz what fenwick talking bout in ah nut shell! and we should be above and beyond losing to any caribbean competition, and i happen to agree. as for the jablo thing and pulling his players, i happened to agree also! especially when the coaches eh training his players better than him.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: maxg on April 02, 2010, 08:26:19 PM
ok...and U miss the point of my post,..no big thing.
.nb: I don't think anyone denying Fenwick's statement(edit: or actions) however, if yuh willin to compare a practice game between a T&T U23 vs a Grenada throw together senior team,as equivalent in importance/stakes to a WC game between NZ & Holland or WConn vs Barca club Championship....I dun...btw in both those games, I would probably lose my bets on both NZ & WC....buh that is only because I just think I know football..knowing fully well, if both lorse, is not the end of the world, but if they win, it still doh change, who is the Big championship team.....but ah wonder why they would even bother to play them games at all, if everybody dun know who go win..

add: as an after thought,  my bad, I should have hilited this way

This big hoorah is just a smoke screen so he can omit the Jabloteh players from practice and give his squad the best chance to win the pro league

nothing wrong with that. but the National team will have to go on with who is available.

point boy
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Bakes on April 02, 2010, 08:54:35 PM
Maxg you and KND talking ah pack ah ass... no offense.

You call de game ah "practice game between a T&T U23 vs a Grenada throw together senior team"  yet we struggle to tie this "throw together" squad.  That is ah crying shame.  What next... we go celebrate tying ah English pub-league team?  Regardless the seriousness of the game we should be using team like dat like traffic cones.. that is Fenwick point.

As for his motives, Fenwick has always been his own man and has always been a plain talker.  If he want tuh pull he players who go stop him?  Why he have to make cockamamie excuse juss tuh pull dem?  He never had tuh make excuse before is now he go come making excuse?  Allyuh need tuh think more before allyuh talk man.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 02, 2010, 09:08:34 PM
The more i hear of this man, the more I feel like this man should be involved in our national team program.
saddis finally! something we see eye to eye on! :beermug:

sad truth is he will never get a look in to advise assist or manage the national side

and if he did, given our culture and fren frenism he would be backstabbed, undermined, shortchanged and just down right unsupported

and you know why? cus "he not trini" he doh understand d style (which needs a professional kick in the nuts) he only know english longball, etc etc a set of shite
fact is we have the tallent right here we lack the structure and accountability
we lack discipline
we lack professionalism
we are afraid of the truth, and that my friend is a sad fact about trinis
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 03, 2010, 06:13:09 AM
The more i hear of this man, the more I feel like this man should be involved in our national team program.
saddis finally! something we see eye to eye on! :beermug:

sad truth is he will never get a look in to advise assist or manage the national side

and if he did, given our culture and fren frenism he would be backstabbed, undermined, shortchanged and just down right unsupported

and you know why? cus "he not trini" he doh understand d style (which needs a professional kick in the nuts) he only know english longball, etc etc a set of shite
fact is we have the tallent right here we lack the structure and accountability
we lack discipline
we lack professionalism
we are afraid of the truth, and that my friend is a sad fact about trinis

As long as jackula and he baby bats continue runnin' T&T Football, all dem ting yuh say dey is fart in de breeze.  We all know what T&T Football needs but we will never get it.  I like Fenwick's outspokenness.  Dat is all I know 'bout de man.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: maxg on April 03, 2010, 08:07:05 AM
Maxg you and KND talking ah pack ah ass... no offense.

You call de game ah "practice game between a T&T U23 vs a Grenada throw together senior team"  yet we struggle to tie this "throw together" squad.  That is ah crying shame.  What next... we go celebrate tying ah English pub-league team?  Regardless the seriousness of the game we should be using team like dat like traffic cones.. that is Fenwick point.

As for his motives, Fenwick has always been his own man and has always been a plain talker.  If he want tuh pull he players who go stop him?  Why he have to make cockamamie excuse juss tuh pull dem?  He never had tuh make excuse before is now he go come making excuse?  Allyuh need tuh think more before allyuh talk man.
no offense taken...won't be the 1st time ah talk assness or doh think before ah talk, won't be the last...as long as ah doh hurt/diss nobody, is not so bad....as much as ah think Fenwick (and a few Pro league coaches) should be part of the program, no-one, but Fenwick & Jack can make it happen, and the way Fenwick going, it ain't go happen
check this true story...ah in tryouts these days, going on to chose div.2 girls to div 5.....yes, ah get rope in again,coaching  this lil-town, they challenge meh to get dem to div.1,didn't know dey lorse all dey last yr div.1 players to other teams, yet dem say, dey will return if the club playing div.1....when ah hit the tryout an see what's left, as say, well ah lorse this one....so eventually ,ah seperate them in 4 teams, with all who think they want to play div.2 on 1 team..then ah tell the  div2 prospects quietly, they have to play 2 touch, plus them have to get in the area to score, no goalies, 2 goal or 5 minutes come orf, half field - small goal stuff nah...I didn't give the other teams instructions, and tell the different div coaches handle ah group.......dem div2 prospects band-up pretty good,good intensity, full defense,  lottsa team play when dey lorse the ball, and attempts to counter, although they get beaten orf everytime, except the last 10 minutes....and dey was vex to play it, but every shift they wukking just as hard....what happen, the 3rd div coach, come over to me, and say, "Je pense que vous avez le plus mauvais du sort"...ah say "what, they doing great"...he watch meh...Later, ah find out he went over an tell the director, he doh think ah know dat much and ah don't speak French.....correct on both counts...ah laugh, next session ah tell the girls same thing, and sure nuff they get beat orf everytime..the F-inman come over, "Your girls can't even keep the ball", ah say, "True, but they even better than yesterday, they improving"...he say, "don't at the last minute come and take some of my best girls and say U need dem",ah say, but were'nt these your girls last year, he then mumble someting, sound like "maudit tabernac" and walk orf...ah say, shim, like ah take this man prestige wuk,cause we not getting pay for this...3rd & last tryout is tomorrow...I have to chose who ah taking...ah want to joke an say, ah decide to chose all the girls from Div3 to play div 2, buh ah feel somebody go shoot meh...anyway, tomorrow, everybody will be playing free and goalies....I will see how things unfold...maybe they might still lorse, but bet they will at least individually play better, would they keep up the same team work, don't know, but I hope they do...plus ah spoke up for 2 girls from the div4 team already..

ah would like to say something smart like, div1=foreign, div2-5=local, but that won't be the point of this story...ah not even sure what the point is, ah just had to tell somebody
add: ah know the point..is..who not part of the team,on the sideline,in practice, doh know wha the f**k going on ,on the field
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Deeks on April 03, 2010, 08:36:33 AM
The more i hear of this man, the more I feel like this man should be involved in our national team program.
saddis finally! something we see eye to eye on! :beermug:

sad truth is he will never get a look in to advise assist or manage the national side

and if he did, given our culture and fren frenism he would be backstabbed, undermined, shortchanged and just down right unsupported

and you know why? cus "he not trini" he doh understand d style (which needs a professional kick in the nuts) he only know english longball, etc etc a set of shite
fact is we have the tallent right here we lack the structure and accountability
we lack discipline
we lack professionalism
we are afraid of the truth, and that my friend is a sad fact about trinis

As long as jackula and he baby bats continue runnin' T&T Football, all dem ting yuh say dey is fart in de breeze.  We all know what T&T Football needs but we will never get it.  I like Fenwick's outspokenness.  Dat is all I know 'bout de man.

Chow you hit the nail right on the head.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Bakes on April 03, 2010, 09:12:50 AM
add: ah know the point..is..who not part of the team,on the sideline,in practice, doh know wha the f**k going on ,on the field

Often... but not always.  Even so... Fenwick may not know the ins-and outs of everything that going on, but he seems to at least know what should be going on.  Latapy isn't being given the tools to succeed and when he fails all blame will be on him.  I don't know how in saying that Fenwick "only bumping he gums".
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: maxg on April 03, 2010, 09:16:13 AM
add: ah know the point..is..who not part of the team,on the sideline,in practice, doh know wha the f**k going on ,on the field

Often... but not always.  Even so... Fenwick may not know the ins-and outs of everything that going on, but he seems to at least know what should be going on.  Latapy isn't being given the tools to succeed and when he fails all blame will be on him.  I don't know how in saying that Fenwick "only bumping he gums".
because he clearly state he refuse (3 or so times) to partake in doing something to help the situation, only make it clear, he will be adding to Latas problems...for a short while
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Bakes on April 03, 2010, 09:35:08 AM

because he clearly state he refuse (3 or so times) to partake in doing something to help the situation, only make it clear, he will be adding to Latas problems...for a short while

How de ass him signing on to encourage de bullshit under Jack was going to help the situation?  All he woulda be doing was peeing into de effin wind and wasting he time.  Jack done come out and say he money not jumping up no more... so Fenwick supposed tuh do what, co coach ah team as a puppet manager with no assurance that he would get the type of support he needs or even get a salary for his efforts?  That make any kinda sense to you?

Besides, none ah we know the context in which his statements were made... the way allyuh talking is like he run down by de Express and siddung in de lobby waiting fuh somebody to come interview him.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: maxg on April 03, 2010, 10:01:58 AM

because he clearly state he refuse (3 or so times) to partake in doing something to help the situation, only make it clear, he will be adding to Latas problems...for a short while

How de ass him signing on to encourage de bullshit under Jack was going to help the situation?  All he woulda be doing was peeing into de effin wind and wasting he time.  Jack done come out and say he money not jumping up no more... so Fenwick supposed tuh do what, co coach ah team as a puppet manager with no assurance that he would get the type of support he needs or even get a salary for his efforts?  That make any kinda sense to you?
Besides, none ah we know the context in which his statements were made... the way allyuh talking is like he run down by de Express and siddung in de lobby waiting fuh somebody to come interview him.

no it don't, but " no thanks, and no comment", would have worked just as well....but he had to say what he say, cause he wanted ppl support in his ultimate actions. not as a means of helping the situation, cause it almost can't be helped...but where I agreed with KND, "the National program has to go on"...it won't stop because Fenwick call a spade ah spade, or Jack lose he jacket, or Latas, Vranes doing tata or doing the best they can, with what little support they have.... so why point out their crapiness, when U self know dey cyah do it any other way....because, the motive may not(i cyah say for sure) to improve Natl success, but personal....nothing wrong with that, buh it really not helping Latas no how...... Had he said ahem,"and I add,  I will make myself available for consult ir help as much as I can, within my limits as Jab coach", I would say, he wha help, but they doh wha he...but he say,Latas and them cyah coach, the organization is tata, the boys regressing Intl, I pulling my boys....who all dem boys getting the most coaching from ? Latas ?

Dah's like the child messing up in school(gettin on rango), and blaming the teachers alone, or the parents alone, or the Principal, or even the child, or the Police for getting involve...I more feel, when ah think lilbit, is everybody problem, and is not who to blame, but how we go fix that

Knd,me, you, Fenwick Jack, whoever, call say what we want, we have to act together, for our common success to be achieved....buh dah's all meh soapbox talk...all ah we have we soapbox, only ah few have the power to get off it and do what they say, make what they say happen
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Fantastic on April 03, 2010, 02:14:27 PM
MaxG, yuh seem to have at least some coaching education. U are wasting yuh time arguing with some of these guys. What has Fenwick proposed to change anything? He has said all the things everybody else has been saying. De only difference is he has experience as a player at de highest level and some limited coaching experience if yuh talking bout high professional levels. His critisism of Latapy's sessions is (while entitled to his opinion) totally unnecessary. He sorta associated it with his critique of de entire program, but what is his real point and purpose? Has he ever coached a national team anywhere? Has he overseen a football administration in a 3rd world country? Yes, he makes sensible points that have earned him seemingly great support from some of our posters just by his words, but besides positioning himself as a tough, no nonsense foreigner, de only thing he has added really is a serious bashing of Latapy's coaching and its effect on his players. If we had money to hire a foreigner, why should we hire Fenwick? I repeat what has he done as a big coach? We see Jack not putting out de money, so why we allowing this cacahole to disrupt de lil amateur program Latas and dem running? On a next thread somebody say he left Jabloteh cause dey wasn't paying him and still owe him money. Allyuh really think de only reason he buzzing round Trini again and not getting a fancy contract somewhere else is because he love some trini woman and we beaches? Ha lawd
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Coop's on April 03, 2010, 04:43:08 PM
Fantastic,what i want to say here is,yes,Fenwick saying the same things everybody have been saying for years but what has it done for our Football,are we moving in the right direction?are we where we should or think we should be as a Football nation?Trini good at talking and not acting,we don't even listen to ourselves,if a foreigner comes home and say the same thing we does react as though is something new,Fenwick in T&T too long so no one has respect for him,every Tom Dick and Harry can talk to him how they want now,if he was to be given the NT job he should have been given it a long time ago before all this old talk start,it hard for anybody coaching our NT,it's too much work and not enough time to do so,you don't learn the game in training sessions,these guys have to consistently play games at a high level against quality players.

I think we going too far with the woman and beach thing lets stick to what the man is saying about our Football,when Alvin say it we does say he talking and his son doing the same shit,when Gally say it we does say he have tabanca,when Vidale say it we does say he old he eh know what he talking about, i "Coops" does say my piece on here and get cuss,nobody can talk with any authority on our Football and get some kind of respect because we going to bring them down.Remember our Football not paying,people involve in our Football for different reasons,even the players,that's why they don't have their heart in it,it's sad to say these things but think about it,if all we can do is talk then lets just talk.   
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: elan on April 03, 2010, 05:49:13 PM
Here is what most of alyuh missing, how many players Fenwick have in the National program compared to other clubs? In the past how many players been called up from Fenwicks' team?

Forget about he international experience look at what he doing home, now. Developing players, that features consistenly in the National program. He don't need to make excuses to pull he players, cause according to Latapy the Training is not "National training" and players and not selected to a national team. Therefore clubs do not have to allow their players to attend. Again count how many players he have attending that practice twice a week.
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: Fantastic on April 04, 2010, 11:22:22 AM
Well let him get paid by Jabloteh, continue developing these players and ALSO be national coach then. If he know so much and care so much about de program, he should be very willing to volunteer his services instead of enhancing de bachanal that already going on in we football by publicly disrespecting de named head coach of yuh country. He wasn't content to say de whole situation is a mess......he had to talk bout de man drills and unproductive sessions. How that helping?
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: dreamer on April 04, 2010, 11:31:51 AM
Well let him get paid by Jabloteh, continue developing these players and ALSO be national coach then. If he know so much and care so much about de program, he should be very willing to volunteer his services instead of enhancing de bachanal that already going on in we football by publicly disrespecting de named head coach of yuh country. He wasn't content to say de whole situation is a mess......he had to talk bout de man drills and unproductive sessions. How that helping?

Wisdom  :beermug:
Title: Re: Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football
Post by: najee on April 04, 2010, 10:39:47 PM
but Lincoln Phillip...is not saying or doing anything about what is realling happen with Trinibago football and it's a damn shame...i agree with Fenwick...its true...our football right now ...Lata or not...other big time coach or not....our football program suck....we not going anywhere unless some major change happen with our ttff......and the funny thing about it ...these guys on the top seeing what is going on and not doing anything about it ....but went that time come they looking for a good outcome...ah tell yuh
Title: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: palos on April 20, 2010, 09:27:21 AM
De man clout up Cyrano Glen as he comin off de field like if he is a little boy.

Me eh care who is coach......Fenwick woulda take some licks there and then

You eh embarassin me like dat, especially in front a people without colleckin a serious buss head

I cyah believe wha I see dey in trute.  Who de ass dis man tink he is in trute?

Dey should kick he MC out de forkane country!  >:(



And dis is who allyuh want to be we national team coach?  ::)
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Sando on April 20, 2010, 09:38:58 AM
It didn't look too good, yuh right Palos.

http://www.cbeanmedia.org/TV6NEWS_F4V/Links/jabloteh_in_brawl_with_river_plate_afer_1-0_victory_2010_04_19.htm
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Dutty on April 20, 2010, 09:43:34 AM
dat sentence jump out in de article for me....even more than the guard gun shot

whodemodderkonthetinkheisatall?
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Observer on April 20, 2010, 09:48:09 AM
Shocking! Amazing Glen eh hit him a butt and two kick.

On another note: the state of the stadium pitch looked appalling. How can you ever
market a product under those conditions.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: MEP on April 20, 2010, 09:49:20 AM
Dais ah tough one as two wrongs doh make a right.....Glen was an ass to pelt that cuff at dat player however Fenwick in his anger should not have rest that calpet on de man...whatever point he could have made was totally lost... but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: lefty on April 20, 2010, 09:55:03 AM
Dais ah tough one as two wrongs doh make a right.....Glen was an ass to pelt that cuff at dat player however Fenwick in his anger should not have rest that calpet on de man...whatever point he could have made was totally lost... but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....

ah know somebody did have to throw a lil word for we neighbor an dem ;D
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: dinho on April 20, 2010, 09:55:44 AM
i don't see whats the big deal.. I see Sevilla coach ring up Luis Fabiano face on the sidelines from an identical incident.. and he had to take that and cool because he know he do real shit...

so if Luis Fabiano could get that, then who the hell is Cyrano Glen?

allyuh want to encourage indiscipline? steups
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: palos on April 20, 2010, 09:57:16 AM
Shocking! Amazing Glen eh hit him a butt and two kick.

On another note: the state of the stadium pitch looked appalling. How can you ever
market a product under those conditions.

I made the same observation re: the pitch but as it was mentioned to me, T&T been goin through a serious drought this year and WASA ban de waterin of grass so no way dem was goin and water a sports facility.

Given that water was a scarce commodity for such a prolonged period, it's understandable that the pitch was in that condition.  To me anyways
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: elan on April 20, 2010, 09:57:30 AM
Take ah tap in yuh stupid arse.  :angel: You winning stay PROFESSIONAL. You do that against ah bigger team and jabloteh chances of winning down the drain. Men have to learn to keep they head. Tap him up Coach.  :devil:
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: jai john on April 20, 2010, 09:58:50 AM
wah's de scene ?? ent Sir Alex pelt ah shoes at David" The world's most famous footballer "  Beckham ? Dat eh make de kinda news it shoudda ....and Dwight nearly get he foot beak from Souness , he coach . It must be ah kinda coach liscence ...like poetic liscence ....where ah coach could tap you up because he in charge ah de team ...Dais why I probably give up football early !
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: jai john on April 20, 2010, 10:04:15 AM
Shocking! Amazing Glen eh hit him a butt and two kick.

On another note: the state of the stadium pitch looked appalling. How can you ever
market a product under those conditions.

I made the same observation re: the pitch but as it was mentioned to me, T&T been goin through a serious drought this year and WASA ban de waterin of grass so no way dem was goin and water a sports facility.

Given that water was a scarce commodity for such a prolonged period, it's understandable that the pitch was in that condition.  To me anyways

Nah palos dey spay something on de field ...I does be there 3 times a week ....is something they sprayed around the perimeter that burn up de grass ...the middle of de field is green ...before it was all green and den one day yuh see signis of spraying ...
dey mus be fire de gardener and tell him in advance ..so he leave ah reminder of how it was
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: triniairman on April 20, 2010, 10:06:16 AM
Dais ah tough one as two wrongs doh make a right.....Glen was an ass to pelt that cuff at dat player however Fenwick in his anger should not have rest that calpet on de man...whatever point he could have made was totally lost... but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....
I agree with yuh on the first part but the second part about we looking like Jamaicans is nonsense. What they suppose to do, stand up and take ah cutt arse?
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: FF on April 20, 2010, 10:11:51 AM
Shocking! Amazing Glen eh hit him a butt and two kick.

On another note: the state of the stadium pitch looked appalling. How can you ever
market a product under those conditions.

I made the same observation re: the pitch but as it was mentioned to me, T&T been goin through a serious drought this year and WASA ban de waterin of grass so no way dem was goin and water a sports facility.

Given that water was a scarce commodity for such a prolonged period, it's understandable that the pitch was in that condition.  To me anyways

Yeah real pressure right now... the whole northern range bun down... and all grass fields hard hard and dry... serious drought... that field looking good considering
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: MEP on April 20, 2010, 10:15:08 AM
Dais ah tough one as two wrongs doh make a right.....Glen was an ass to pelt that cuff at dat player however Fenwick in his anger should not have rest that calpet on de man...whatever point he could have made was totally lost... but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....
I agree with yuh on the first part but the second part about we looking like Jamaicans is nonsense. What they suppose to do, stand up and take ah cutt arse?

But dais where even more discipline comes in....you have to walk to be able to walk away from that...when the fines and the bans come down they are usually levied on everyone who participated ....
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Observer on April 20, 2010, 10:17:17 AM
Glen reacted with a physical action in a moment of anger. Fenwick (the coach) action was also physical in a moment of anger. How could that be right? Fenwick reaction is no different from Glen's! So all Glen learned is that its ok to react physically when angered. IMHO
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Deeks on April 20, 2010, 10:25:19 AM
Dais ah tough one as two wrongs doh make a right.....Glen was an ass to pelt that cuff at dat player however Fenwick in his anger should not have rest that calpet on de man...whatever point he could have made was totally lost... but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....

 but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....



This why I  said many time that many Trinis suffer from an inferiority complex. What does JA has to do with this brawl. The only thing JA about this incident is the ref. And he did a good job. Look them PR would ah never attack JA players in JA yard. The TT players were trying to avoid the fight. And I thought it probably had to do with Cyrano Glen getting in confrontation with Fenwick. So them guys tried to be peacemakers. But when they see the PR wanted to carry on, they started bussin' cuff in they arse. What you want them men to do? Take licks from bunch of losers. That is the normal modus operandi of SOME(not all) latino teams. I am notspreading a broad brush against Hispanics. I have witness this behaviour in the local Salvadorans/Hondurans leagues in DC/VA/MD.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: MEP on April 20, 2010, 10:36:01 AM
Dais ah tough one as two wrongs doh make a right.....Glen was an ass to pelt that cuff at dat player however Fenwick in his anger should not have rest that calpet on de man...whatever point he could have made was totally lost... but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....

 but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....



This why I  said many time that many Trinis suffer from an inferiority complex. What does JA has to do with this brawl. The only thing JA about this incident is the ref. And he did a good job. Look them PR would ah never attack JA players in JA yard. The TT players were trying to avoid the fight. And I thought it probably had to do with Cyrano Glen getting in confrontation with Fenwick. So them guys tried to be peacemakers. But when they see the PR wanted to carry on, they started bussin' cuff in they arse. What you want them men to do? Take licks from bunch of losers. That is the normal modus operandi of SOME(not all) latino teams. I am notspreading a broad brush against Hispanics. I have witness this behaviour in the local Salvadorans/Hondurans leagues in DC/VA/MD.


Talk about inferiority complex....wow..
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Deeks on April 20, 2010, 10:43:55 AM
Dais ah tough one as two wrongs doh make a right.....Glen was an ass to pelt that cuff at dat player however Fenwick in his anger should not have rest that calpet on de man...whatever point he could have made was totally lost... but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....

 but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....



This why I  said many time that many Trinis suffer from an inferiority complex. What does JA has to do with this brawl. The only thing JA about this incident is the ref. And he did a good job. Look them PR would ah never attack JA players in JA yard. The TT players were trying to avoid the fight. And I thought it probably had to do with Cyrano Glen getting in confrontation with Fenwick. So them guys tried to be peacemakers. But when they see the PR wanted to carry on, they started bussin' cuff in they arse. What you want them men to do? Take licks from bunch of losers. That is the normal modus operandi of SOME(not all) latino teams. I am notspreading a broad brush against Hispanics. I have witness this behaviour in the local Salvadorans/Hondurans leagues in DC/VA/MD.


Talk about inferiority complex....wow..

Look MEP,
                 If them PR had gone in any other country they would ah get a cut arse. JA are not the only people who would have reacted that way. Wrong is wrong. Them PR wrong, Jabloteh should not be a rough up team but they should not be a wimp team either.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: JDB on April 20, 2010, 10:56:10 AM
Fenwick action is nothing out of the norm for the level of the PFL. You see i all the time with the pseudo-professesional athletes in college sports and in some pro managers.

Some managers style is to be uber disciplianarian and physical with their players. Some players respond positively to it, most don't. It look like Glen had to think twice before letting it pass. The BIG problem for Fenwick is that, based on the brawl and the fact that he could not control his team, it is clearly not working.

Crazy scene all around. Including the security personnel who thought that letting off a shot was a good idea for calming things down. Them men watching too much western.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Coop's on April 20, 2010, 10:56:28 AM
i don't see whats the big deal.. I see Sevilla coach ring up Luis Fabiano face on the sidelines from an identical incident.. and he had to take that and cool because he know he do real shit...

so if Luis Fabiano could get that, then who the hell is Cyrano Glen?

allyuh want to encourage indiscipline? steups
       The era and times these guys playing in it's a lot of things they have to take don't matter how big they think they are,once you under any kind of contract there are a lot at stake because is your career you playing with,some still choose to take situations and deal with it personally knowing there will be consequences,as a player everything you do on and off the field affects the team/club that's why it's so important to think before you act,i don't think Fenwick was right to hit anybody but i understand as a disciplinarian how he felt at the spur of the moment.  
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: kingman on April 20, 2010, 11:00:03 AM
De man clout up Cyrano Glen as he comin off de field like if he is a little boy.

Me eh care who is coach......Fenwick woulda take some licks there and then

You eh embarassin me like dat, especially in front a people without colleckin a serious buss head

I cyah believe wha I see dey in trute.  Who de ass dis man tink he is in trute?

Dey should kick he MC out de forkane country!  >:(



And dis is who allyuh want to be we national team coach?  ::)

When I saw it, the first thing I said to myself is "WTH?"

After watching it over and over, I cannot say I would have accepted that. My initial reaction might have been to retaliate?

However, I have seen coaches hit players many times at HIGHER levels for the exact same reason (silly red cards). I also remember watching a EPL game and a player got sent off for a dumb retaliation. The captain ran up to him and clout the red carded player (I will try to find the highlight on Youtube).

Does that mean that they are right? Absolutely NOT. I am just saying these things happen all the time. Maybe the 1st time you saw it?

I was shocked but not surprised. I myself don't know how I would have reacted. Maybe after in the locker room? I don't know?

It is really something to think about.

Kingman
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Jah Gol on April 20, 2010, 11:06:30 AM
I haven't seen the clip but if that is the case that is highly unacceptable truly unprofessional conduct especially by a coach.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: weary1969 on April 20, 2010, 11:32:13 AM
I haven't seen the clip but if that is the case that is highly unacceptable truly unprofessional conduct especially by a coach.

All yuh 4get he elbow d Brazilian 4 d world 2 c what is a lil clout.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: dreamer on April 20, 2010, 11:35:56 AM
I saw de video. As I said before Fenwick is too toxic, polarizing and selfish for national football.
Dah was an understatement actually. So all those who have no self respect and civic pride and want to join the chorus genuflecting to this guy's every utterance, can go ahead. Yes, his fighting spirit is infectious and generally good for the tribal concerns of club football but he has some other dangerous stuff in his closet that we eh tolerating in this country that supposedly has celebrated independence.

Recommendations:

1. Allow him to apologize and move on.
2. Let him stay at Jabloteh and continue to do a good job, with some oversight protection of the players
3. Request FPATT to make a no-nonsense statement about where we draw the line in the code of conduct of coaches (local and foreign) with our local players. Clayton Morris and Shaka are you hearing? Does FPATT still exist btw? Have some friggin' stones and say something man.
4. Keep Fenwick's psychotic hands off the national team.

Good thread title by palos btw.
Yeah.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: jahkingdom on April 20, 2010, 11:42:20 AM
Dais ah tough one as two wrongs doh make a right.....Glen was an ass to pelt that cuff at dat player however Fenwick in his anger should not have rest that calpet on de man...whatever point he could have made was totally lost... but the brawl at de end make we look like Jamaicans....no class and no discipline....

because i know i have class i wont even respond to your low life comment, and well respected and intelligent trinis already clarified it. watching this video i am outrage as any other trini with these shit Spanish people. when some one attack you in your own country you cannot let them leave without facing the consequences, and talk about discipline when you did not start it. the guys are even running and they still chasing them. the Mexican youngsters try it in Jamaica before and got f*CKUP. CHECK THIS VIDEO:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDb-erQmGnY

there national team also tried it the last time the lose in Kingston, but most of our players  are 6 foot and over so the little Mexicans got rolled over. its a pitty it was not a match against Tivali. i hope CFU ban them for life.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: soccerman on April 20, 2010, 11:45:20 AM
This reminds me of the "Malace in the Palace". This behavior is highly unacceptable!!!! By Glen, Fenwick and all other players involved. Let's see how serious our league is in putting out and maintaining a professional image and if they really want to be taken seriously by FIFA and other investors. I think Dexter Skeene or who ever is in charge needs to review the tapes and discipline all our players involved including the coach, whether it be fines, suspensions, etc. because this cannot be tolerated no matter who's right or wrong. He need to take a Roger Goodell stance and lay the hammer down because as a fellow Trinidadian, that is embarassing to watch and is a disgrace to the sport. As a professional or even as a sportsman for the matter you have to learn to keep your emotions in check (easier said than done) and let the officials to their job, if they don't file a protest to the committee but that got way out of hand IMO.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Storeboy on April 20, 2010, 11:59:55 AM
There is no doubt that Fenwick was out of line.  But that happens frequently between coaches and players.  I do think that Fenwick should be disciplined by the league for that and I respect Cyrano Glen for not retaliating.

On the second story:  The Puerto Ricans are lucky that this is not Jamaica.  The Local players were attacked and had to defend themselves.  Look  at the video and you would see the local players backing away, some ruling away and being chased by the River Plate players.  That team should be disciplined by FIFA.  That is uncalled for.  Simply a bunch of hooligans.  Imagine trying that in a foreign country.  Thank God for disciplined, respectful Trinidadians.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: D.H.W on April 20, 2010, 12:00:42 PM
And Fergie pelt Bechham with a football boots and buss he face, whats new. it was just done in public, them thing does go on all the time. just my opinion. it may not be right, but it does happen
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Deeks on April 20, 2010, 12:10:54 PM
Glenn and the red card guys already punished. Fenwick will have to discuss the situation with Glenn among the Jabloteh fraternity.

As for the brawl, our players were defending themselves. Those who claim our guys must be sanctioned, did not look at the tape. Our guys were trying to avoid the fight until they realized that the PR were too damn bone-headed and retaliated. We must commended our guys for avoiding the fight in the beginning, but jeez, there so much you can take.

 Next time the PFL should hire police with shield and bootoo. Then everybody go say is over-kill.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: elan on April 20, 2010, 12:18:53 PM
Wait what Jabloteh players getting blame for? Alyuh blind or what? The Jab players retereating and the PR players coming after them. They cyah turn they back and collect ah drop kick to the back. The last second you see a Jab player running from the PR and dem and they chasing the man like he tief something. I eh see Jab player do nothing wrong (except for Glen).
What alyuh watching.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: just cool on April 20, 2010, 12:42:15 PM
Wait what Jabloteh players getting blame for? Alyuh blind or what? The Jab players retereating and the PR players coming after them. They cyah turn they back and collect ah drop kick to the back. The last second you see a Jab player running from the PR and dem and they chasing the man like he tief something. I eh see Jab player do nothing wrong (except for Glen).
What alyuh watching.
I eh go lie, if this was ah team from east dry river and dem spanish byoi did pull something like that, they woulda get  ah royal beaten and possibly, some body would've been killed!!!!

look's like is ah setta sissy players and supporters in jabloteh?? if that was belmont or EDR supporters, some body would ded from dat river plate team.

i remember in the eighties ah chilean team pull dat very same stunt and get the blow out of ah lifetime. spanish take off runnin up western main raod , down tragarette road, up towards the savannah not knowing weh the fack they was going!! it was ah royal beat down. 

marvin oliver and dem real let meh down! they make we look weak for crying out loud! runnin from ah bunch ah miggits.     :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: CarenageBoy on April 20, 2010, 01:22:04 PM
It didn't look too good, yuh right Palos.

http://www.cbeanmedia.org/TV6NEWS_F4V/Links/jabloteh_in_brawl_with_river_plate_afer_1-0_victory_2010_04_19.htm

We can give the Jabs players credit. For the most part they avoided getting into the altercation. River Plate knew they had already lost and were trying to poison things for Jabs. Some of you know that post-match behavior on the field can still cause a player to get a red card. Just look at what happened to Dwight Yorke in the El Salvador game.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: vb on April 20, 2010, 01:46:22 PM
Wait what Jabloteh players getting blame for? Alyuh blind or what? The Jab players retereating and the PR players coming after them. They cyah turn they back and collect ah drop kick to the back. The last second you see a Jab player running from the PR and dem and they chasing the man like he tief something. I eh see Jab player do nothing wrong (except for Glen).
What alyuh watching.

Some people just a little dotish.
I admired the self control on the part of the Jab players.
Weren't they in a major brawl (Fenwick in it again) a few years back with W Connection. That fracas make this look like child's play.

By controlling themselves, they opened the door for their opponents to get even more red cards.
No we are not J'cans and perhaps this is why River Plate play brave so. However, there's a time to fight and a time to use your head.

I wouldn't a mind seeing R Plate get clout up doh  ;D

VB
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: soccerman on April 20, 2010, 02:43:23 PM
After watching it again, the ref did his job in issuing the red cards but it's hard for me to tell who's at fault or why the whole brawl started after the match because it looked like both teams were exchanging words and a River Plate player attacker our keeper, then de shit get out of hand or maybe I'm really blind. I know all about standing up for your players and defending your team but when things goes to the extreme and gun shot firing by police and shit something must be done by our league administration.
Just last August in a college football game, in fact the opening game for Oregon, at the end of the game a player from the other team taunted the Oregon player during an exchange of words. That lead to the Oregon player to retaliate and punch the player, now eventhough the Oregon guy didn't start it he got banned for the entire season my his institution. However he showed remorse, appoliged by stating it wasn't called for and still showed committment by attending practice sessions and going to class. Afterwards they admitted him back on the team to play mid way through the season and he was a senior with high draft potential for the NFL. Now his lack of controlling if temper/emotions might've cost him millions since his stock might've dropped from lack of playing time who knows.
It's hard for me to sit and type about the situation when I wasn't involved in the heat of the moment and I know it is almost impossible to take a jump kick from an opposing player but things escalated to that extreme I still believe the league or Jabloteh have to make a stand and show that they do not tolerate this type of behavior from their players. If the River Plate team have any sort of expectations in regards to conduct from their players, they should do the same!
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Bakes on April 20, 2010, 02:45:01 PM
I saw de video. As I said before Fenwick is too toxic, polarizing and selfish for national football.
Dah was an understatement actually. So all those who have no self respect and civic pride and want to join the chorus genuflecting to this guy's every utterance, can go ahead.

So let mih see if ah get this right... if we in agreement with Fenwick's opinion/statements on the state of the national team and it's preparations that mean we eh have no "self respect and civiv pride"?  I think even you in a more level-headed moment would agree that this is bullshit.

As for Fenwick... I don't know if it was a blow (as a clout) or a push ("mush") to the back of the head.  I believe it makes a difference to the extent that one is less offensive than the other.  Not that his reaction is justified... as Observer properly pointed out, it was done in haste and anger... not the proper lesson you want to communicate to your players as a standard of professional player.  Assuming it was not indeed a blow to the back of Glen's head (a fair assumption on the evidence) then all this public opprobrium seem extra.

As for the security officers/police officers who fired the shots... incredibly irresponsible act and JDB has it pegged right, them men watching too much TV.  What goes up must come down... and here are hundreds, if not thousands of documented cases each year of people being injured by "falling" bullets.  That there was just plain reckless and points to poor/improper training.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: sammy on April 20, 2010, 02:45:47 PM
steups.........them youths need some more clout in dey arse.

anyhow, jab. won the game buh how come we lost the fight?  ???  >:(
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: maxg on April 20, 2010, 03:07:56 PM
Fenwick know who and what he dealing with, and maybe, just maybe that is what them guys respect, however that is grounds for suspension/fine, for Glen Fifa and club, and he, Fenwick..If Glen had re-acted any other way - than to take the screw head- he woulda be banned from all football probably for life, beside being brought up on charges...ah see man get suspended by Fenwick for being unprofessional (interacting with he community), what is the charge for abusing one's authority ? Wha see how this play out
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: dinho on April 20, 2010, 03:17:34 PM
Bottom line is Cyrano Glen get de point right??

Allyuh acting like the man get cuff down, what i saw was a half calpet, half push head.. A small rough up in the big picture and nothing out of the ordinary coach player relationship imo. If you know anything but what does go on in dressing rooms, players does get choke and push and rough up all the time in the heat of the moment.. Yorke self say when he came to Villa, the coach used to make man walk on his chest to toughen him up, and if u do shit in practice you have to stand in goal with your back turn while men leggo bullet..

What yuh think does happen in the army on a daily basis, yuh think every transgression is a sit down and talk it out and sing kumbaya?

Now as to whether the public was the place for that then i can see that point, but its not something i've never seen happen before.

Funny just about everyone here does say the main problem in our football is discipline yet allyuh in uproar and decrying an act of deserved and meritable tough love.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on April 20, 2010, 03:23:57 PM
Is de REF fault ..wey he from ???

nah Terry...Nah
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Deeks on April 20, 2010, 03:50:57 PM
After watching it again, the ref did his job in issuing the red cards but it's hard for me to tell who's at fault or why the whole brawl started after the match because it looked like both teams were exchanging words and a River Plate player attacker our keeper, then de shit get out of hand or maybe I'm really blind. I know all about standing up for your players and defending your team but when things goes to the extreme and gun shot firing by police and shit something must be done by our league administration.
Just last August in a college football game, in fact the opening game for Oregon, at the end of the game a player from the other team taunted the Oregon player during an exchange of words. That lead to the Oregon player to retaliate and punch the player, now eventhough the Oregon guy didn't start it he got banned for the entire season my his institution. However he showed remorse, appoliged by stating it wasn't called for and still showed committment by attending practice sessions and going to class. Afterwards they admitted him back on the team to play mid way through the season and he was a senior with high draft potential for the NFL. Now his lack of controlling if temper/emotions might've cost him millions since his stock might've dropped from lack of playing time who knows.
It's hard for me to sit and type about the situation when I wasn't involved in the heat of the moment and I know it is almost impossible to take a jump kick from an opposing player but things escalated to that extreme I still believe the league or Jabloteh have to make a stand and show that they do not tolerate this type of behavior from their players. If the River Plate team have any sort of expectations in regards to conduct from their players, they should do the same!



soccerman,
     with all due respects, there is a code of conduct for all footballers. All players know the code of conduct. I am almost sure jabloteh and most teams in TT have been told to conduct themselves properly on the field, else the they tarnish the names of the club and country. The same goes for PR.

 If you were on the field as a player you would you have let the PR players come and punch you and then tell your team-mates "turn the other cheek guys, Terry will get angry if we retialiate. Calma, boriqua, calma!!!".

Each situation is different. So what would have happen if this game was in PR and the same situation occured.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: doc on April 20, 2010, 03:53:31 PM
Aren't the next round of games to be played in Puerto Rico?

I didn't see the fight start even though I was at the game. What stuck out to me to me was immediately as the whistle was blown to end the game, a Jabloteh player (Karlon Murray I think) pulled his shirt off and lran off the field in the direction of the dressing room. When i heard the uproar and checked out what was happening, the brawl was in progress. I did observe Mr. Murray back on the field running behind some PR players. I wondered what was his role in the fracas. ::) ::) ;D.

I have not seen the clips, but this what I saw.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: doc on April 20, 2010, 03:54:56 PM
Is de REF fault ..wey he from ???

nah Terry...Nah
The refereeing was horrible.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Jah Gol on April 20, 2010, 04:00:50 PM
Just saw the vid. Glen was wrong and Fenwick more wrong. Dem PR deserve a fine and suspension.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: WestCoast on April 20, 2010, 04:18:19 PM
Dais ah tough one as two wrongs doh make a right.....Glen was an ass to pelt that cuff at dat player however Fenwick in his anger should not have rest that calpet on de man...whatever point he could have made was totally lost.......
Glen reacted with a physical action in a moment of anger. Fenwick (the coach) action was also physical in a moment of anger. How could that be right? Fenwick reaction is no different from Glen's! So all Glen learned is that its ok to react physically when angered. IMHO
2 Brilliant Posts :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: mukumsplau on April 20, 2010, 05:05:40 PM
my pardna playin wit jabloteh say marvin oliver hit d PR coach wit a magical bootoo. he say it hadda be magical cuz he eh know where it come out from

an dat wasnt no clout da was ah kinda push kinda somtin...i used to get level licks as ah yute...i kno wat clout is
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Deeks on April 20, 2010, 05:10:54 PM
Westcoast,
                     how this brawl make we look like JA. that is ridiculous. Any other people would have reacted like Jab. JA are not the only Caribbean people who does have a brawl somtimes
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: WestCoast on April 20, 2010, 05:13:00 PM
Westcoast,
                     how this brawl make we look like JA. that is ridiculous. Any other people would have reacted like Jab. JA are not the only Caribbean people who does have a brawl somtimes
I fixed my earlier quote of MEP post
I was only responding to the Glen and Fenwick interaction......my bad

I agree with you that under the circumstances people blood was boiling and things were not coolin down
It was bad but not unbelievable
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Agent Jack Bauer on April 20, 2010, 05:15:47 PM
small ting.....i more concerned bout d security firing a shot........bullet does have to hit something eh know.......
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: mukumsplau on April 20, 2010, 05:16:54 PM
small ting.....i more concerned bout d security firing a shot........bullet does have to hit something eh know.......

yea he move like jack bauer dey...dem fellas watchin too much tv in troot
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Ngozi on April 20, 2010, 05:39:20 PM
Two wrongs doh make a right .... Terry as the coach need to maintain his players discipline as well as his own and respect is something that is earned I doh see his reaction with Glen as a positive thing ..... I guess in a way every man know which tree to climb because if that was Shawn Boney or Reynold Carrington aint no way he was  laying a hand on them... I see youth man get lil rough up from their coach in intercol for some digressions but grown men doh take them kinda thing like that ... I cyah promise that if he had done that to me that I wouldnt have slapped him .....
I couldnt tell who was the instigator of the brawl but them jabloteh fellas look to be more defending themselves than anything else and the truth be told rule or no rule if a man coming at you swinging you have no choice but to defend yourself based on a rule that overides all others ... the rule of self preservation.
As for the shot firing prick ...... the stadium empty as can be  there was no need to fire that shot not like it was some kinda stadium wide riot or anything.
The one common denominator in all these occcurences was commonsense or lack thereof.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: g on April 20, 2010, 05:41:15 PM
Consider the fact that Jabloteh won the game and ran the risk of being thrown out of the tournament if they really decided to engage in a full out brawl.

Whether or not it was a concious effort on their part, they probably did the best thing by retreating.

I am more concerned about the team going to PR for the next round. Granted River Plate is out of the competition, if that footage reach PR then they might really have to be careful. Latinos are volatile at best
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Deeks on April 20, 2010, 06:38:31 PM
Consider the fact that Jabloteh won the game and ran the risk of being thrown out of the tournament if they really decided to engage in a full out brawl.

Whether or not it was a concious effort on their part, they probably did the best thing by retreating.

I am more concerned about the team going to PR for the next round. Granted River Plate is out of the competition, if that footage reach PR then they might really have to be careful. Latinos are volatile at best

Yep RP may try to stir up fans resentment. I just hope the boriquas keep a cool head. Remember is Jack playing also.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Bakes on April 20, 2010, 07:11:14 PM
Yep RP may try to stir up fans resentment. I just hope the boriquas keep a cool head. Remember is Jack playing also.

I doh think it's beyond the pale for the CFU to move the return leg to a neutral site.  Fans will get punished for something not their fault, but the team will be punished even more in the pocket... plus you minimize the chances of fans becoming a part of the "action".
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Dinner Mints on April 20, 2010, 07:18:53 PM
Wait nah...

I now watch dis ting.

THAT is what man in here gnashing dey teeth about?! A lil push head? Really?! I say de man get tap up. Steups. Allyuh jokey, oui.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Deeks on April 20, 2010, 07:34:50 PM
Yep RP may try to stir up fans resentment. I just hope the boriquas keep a cool head. Remember is Jack playing also.

I doh think it's beyond the pale for the CFU to move the return leg to a neutral site.  Fans will get punished for something not their fault, but the team will be punished even more in the pocket... plus you minimize the chances of fans becoming a part of the "action".

Bakes,
             you might be right. The power of Jack. He might move the tournament final if he scent any hint of trouble. You know he want JP to play in that Concacaf tournament real bad.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: WestCoast on April 20, 2010, 07:44:58 PM
Yep RP may try to stir up fans resentment. I just hope the boriquas keep a cool head. Remember is Jack playing also.

I doh think it's beyond the pale for the CFU to move the return leg to a neutral site.  Fans will get punished for something not their fault, but the team will be punished even more in the pocket... plus you minimize the chances of fans becoming a part of the "action".

Bakes,
             you might be right. The power of Jack. He might move the tournament final if he scent any hint of trouble. You know he want JP to play in that Concacaf tournament real bad.
I would say that a move is fair
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: spideybuff on April 20, 2010, 11:07:31 PM
Allyuh watch the same clips i see? I see Oliver take a baton and beat a man like a snake on the ground. i see jabloteh players running after puerto ricans. Yes the latinos start it, but Jabloteh men was fighting, not running. Is only Oliver was running til he get the baton. And the jabloteh keeper was trying to break it up. other than that, Jabloteh men lookign to get ban just as much as the puerto ricans.

Where fenwick went? he was in the middle of it all when it started then i lose track of him...he was beating his own players again?
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: just cool on April 21, 2010, 12:56:09 AM
Allyuh watch the same clips i see? I see Oliver take a baton and beat a man like a snake on the ground. i see jabloteh players running after puerto ricans. Yes the latinos start it, but Jabloteh men was fighting, not running. Is only Oliver was running til he get the baton. And the jabloteh keeper was trying to break it up. other than that, Jabloteh men lookign to get ban just as much as the puerto ricans.

Where fenwick went? he was in the middle of it all when it started then i lose track of him...he was beating his own players again?
You musta seen ah different clip from the one posted here on this site. what i saw was ah bunch of spanish sampart oliver and dealt him ah cuff tuh the head. then he escape dem and started retreating.

it's either you was there live and in living color, or yuh saw ah better clip. glad tuh know he didn't take dat dis, dem spanish byoi deserve tuh get trumped real bad!!
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: just cool on April 21, 2010, 12:58:46 AM
Some body post ah better clip of the mele nah? that edited version doesn't do the incident no justice ahtall. we... @ least i, want tuh see the whole brawl and not piece of it.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 21, 2010, 04:59:14 AM
Fenwick is not d issue here.....infact Fenwick should buss 2 kick on him as well

D real issue here is d decorum of we players and d lack of respect for the game of football...People will argue that the behaviour exhibited by both teams is normal in Latin American football et al....

D truth is you are seeing for yourself d mentality of we players and that is partly permeated from we culture...pure wildness.....

Why d ass men cant take talk for once ....walk out d pressure....NO WE NEED TO SAVE FACE.....and look d badder man...  D usual bullshit...(yeah saddist you goe take dat mentality)

Some will focus on Fenwick which is a big steups because we are failing to see d BIGGER picture and that being how d players have no BLASTED discipline....and that is what is wrong with alot of we youth...perfect example in this clip


Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: fordy on April 21, 2010, 06:51:53 AM
This reminds me of the "Malace in the Palace". This behavior is highly unacceptable!!!! By Glen, Fenwick and all other players involved. Let's see how serious our league is in putting out and maintaining a professional image and if they really want to be taken seriously by FIFA and other investors. I think Dexter Skeene or who ever is in charge needs to review the tapes and discipline all our players involved including the coach, whether it be fines, suspensions, etc. because this cannot be tolerated no matter who's right or wrong. He need to take a Roger Goodell stance and lay the hammer down because as a fellow Trinidadian, that is embarassing to watch and is a disgrace to the sport. As a professional or even as a sportsman for the matter you have to learn to keep your emotions in check (easier said than done) and let the officials to their job, if they don't file a protest to the committee but that got way out of hand IMO.

Soccerman I totally agree with you and my initial reaction when I read about the brawl was what sort of sanctions would be layed against both teams by the CFU, esp Jab who has progressed in the compeition. However, the first question you have to ask is are there any laws set the in Trinidad Pro league or the CFU to lay sanctions and take the necessary disciplinary actions against teams and players? Are these by laws accesible to the players, coaches, teams if they exist? Is there a code of conduct policy from a team level, league level? Shoot I doubt they even doing random drug testing on players so really it brings about the question how professional is the pro league?

Foolishness like this will continue to occur and go unpunished, hence why, outside of Jack Warner being a FIFA Vice President, FIFA don't respect the Caribbean and Latin American countries in this region. They see us as backward and lacking professional talent...and it all stems from how we are represented on an administration level!
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on April 21, 2010, 08:31:35 AM
Palos you and whoever fussin bout wha Fenwick do straight up full ah f**kin shit!  Steups, I say he hit de man ah hard calpet or sumting, ah shove in de back ah he neck allyuh gettin on so for.  I see much biiger players in name and physical stature geh worse dan dat.  Allyuh so does incourage dem lil boys jackass indiscipline.  we football could never go no wey if dat was enough (fuh as some man say) to retaliate an hit fenwick ah lash.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: spideybuff on April 21, 2010, 12:33:21 PM
Some body post ah better clip of the mele nah? that edited version doesn't do the incident no justice ahtall. we... @ least i, want tuh see the whole brawl and not piece of it.

Yeah i now see the clip here, it shorter than the one i see. Thing is, the one I see was on tv6 news. I hope the CFU use the edited version and somebody lose the longer one though cause to me it look like once the police intervened (or security firm or whoever) the puerto ricans kinda step back cause they fraid law enforcement. That's when Jabloteh take over and the camera was switchign to the stands and you were seeing fans rushing on the field and lashing the puerto rican players too. So we gave as good as we got in my opinion.

I really hope the CFU have no standards and just fine the clubs or somethign and doh implement bans. But a man tell me that Jack doh like Fenwick head at all so he looking to do as much damage as possible.

Hopefully he too busy with elections or he let his national pride take over and 'low jabloteh. Then again, with Jabloteh being a threat to Joe Public, that hardly likely.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: AirMan on April 21, 2010, 04:42:07 PM
So where does "being professional" comes in when you are being attacked ??..based on what I have seen, dem fellas was protecting themselves..
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: futbolfan on April 21, 2010, 05:06:58 PM
Not saying that Fenwick's actions were appropriate and justified. But if this was Bertille St.Clair, would the reactions be the same, or would man jump up and say Bertille is ah great disciplinarian and is dis sort ah treatment dem fellas need.

Does the colour of Fenwick's skin have certain men up in arms and more upset with de incident?

Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: AirMan on April 21, 2010, 05:15:15 PM
Not saying that Fenwick's actions were appropriate and justified. But if this was Bertille St.Clair, would the reactions be the same, or would man jump up and say Bertille is ah great disciplinarian and is dis sort ah treatment dem fellas need.

Does the colour of Fenwick's skin have certain men up in arms and more upset with de incident?


Good point..I would not be surprise if some fellas in here would not be so upset over the situation if the man was not a white foreign coach but instead a local coach..
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Dinner Mints on April 21, 2010, 06:50:27 PM
Does the colour of Fenwick's skin have certain men up in arms and more upset with de incident?
Oh, of course. Yuh eh see man declaring we independence and all kinda ting?
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on April 22, 2010, 08:14:31 AM
Does the colour of Fenwick's skin have certain men up in arms and more upset with de incident?
Oh, of course. Yuh eh see man declaring we independence and all kinda ting?

Ent?!!
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: Dutty on April 22, 2010, 09:03:26 AM
Does the colour of Fenwick's skin have certain men up in arms and more upset with de incident?
Oh, of course. Yuh eh see man declaring we independence and all kinda ting?

Ent?!!

When the thread 1st start it was based on a written report that the man colleck some clout from fenwick, foreign or local coach,, that should wrankle anyone who readin it...by pg 3 when de 'flim' reach we see is a lil screw head fenwick gih de man in the heat of the moment

still wrong is wrong..fenwick admit he wrong, talk done

whomever fall into de opposin camps of  'all dem ting normal ' or  'massa day done'...dais dem personal issues
Title: Fenwick content with CFU performances
Post by: Tallman on May 12, 2010, 05:41:42 PM
Fenwick content with CFU performances
ttproleague.com


Weve achieved by qualifying for the Concacaf Champions League (preliminary round), said San Juan Jabloteh head coach Terry Fenwick despite his teams failure to capture the 2010 CFU Club Champion Cup.

Were operating in a similar situation like that of English club Portsmouth, he said. We have a little budget, and weve qualified for the next stage which is the Champions League preliminary round  which is great because we could give our players more exposure and probably sell one or two.

Jabloteh finished the CFU tournament with 3 points in third position, ahead of Bayamon FC based on goal difference to advance into the 2010-2011 Concacaf Champions League preliminary round following a 1-0 defeat against fellow Pro League club Joe Public (Wednesday), a 4-1 victory over Bayamon (Friday), and a 1-0 loss against eventual champions Puerto Rico Islanders on Sunday.

But, a victory over Islanders at the Marvin Lee Stadium could have boosted Jabloteh to the top to take the CFU title as Joe Publicanother contenderfell 3-1 against Bayamon.

Its disappointing not to win the title, he continued. However we are pleased with our performances, and reaching the next stage."

Islanders have a much stronger mentality than that of the guys in Trinidad. They dont let anything get to them. Their professionalism is very good and unlike the guys in this region who only want to play the game like that of Brazil, Islanders play a very straightforward game. They are not about the glamour and I thought they just cancelled us out."

We didnt play badly throughout the tournament. Islanders only had about three chances against us, one of which they scored. We had more half chances but didnt convert. I think we were a bit intimidated in the first half but had a much better game in the second period."

Against Joe Public, I thought we were the better team. We outplayed them and their top players Kerry Baptiste and Trent Noel didnt have any kicks at us. And the player (Radanfah Abu Bakr) that scored against us was supposed to be on suspension. And what says a lot about our performances is the fact that the team (Bayamon FC) we defeated 4-1, went on to defeat Joe Public 3-1.

Fenwick admitted the CFU Final Round clashes was really tight contests having to play three games in five days.

He also explained that his team lacked a centre forward throughout the competition. The former England international said he didnt want to risk striker Jerrol Forbes--who has been recovering from a knee injury over the past year--on the Astroturf at the Marvin Lee Stadium in the Final Round of the CFU Club Championship despite the players readiness to play.

Instead Fenwick used an attacking midfield inclusive of Kennedy Hinkson, Jason Marcano, Ronaldo Viana, Ataulla Guerra and Marvin Oliver. Willis Plaza and speedy midfielder Johan Peltier were also used in the Final Round.
Title: Re: Fenwick content with CFU performances
Post by: kounty on May 12, 2010, 06:52:19 PM
Fenwick content with CFU performances
ttproleague.com


Their professionalism is very good and unlike the guys in this region who only want to play the game like that of Brazil, Islanders play a very straightforward game. They are not about the glamour and I thought they just cancelled us out."


anybody here could talk about Jabloteh brand/  how it does look?  seem to me like dude make a heap of excuses in this interview and if you not playing attractive football AND not lightin the world on fire with wins, then Trini mightn't be the place fuh you.  Anybody could talk to the legitimacy of his claim that he playing with vastly worse (hence cheaper) players than Joe Pub & Islanders? thanks  :beermug:
Title: Re: Fenwick content with CFU performances
Post by: davidephraim on May 13, 2010, 06:16:50 AM
well i saw the game and Fenwick (who needs a nickname) does have a point about Islanders straight forward approach and the fact that they argue less than Jabloteh. Guerra is a special guy and yuh love him and hate him in the same sentence. Kinda like Keon Daniel. Oliver was playing some kinda defensive midfield role and looked out of sorts. Jabloteh in the second half was all over that team so I wouldnt place the Islanders above them except for their group play is more precise than that of jabloteh. Jabloteh has more individual flair and showmanship but unless done effectively as in mash de ball but make an effective pass they wind up just losing out and messing up de whole play to which everyone will start to cuss yuh.

hope this helped
Title: Re: Fenwick content with CFU performances
Post by: spideybuff on May 13, 2010, 07:04:15 AM
It sound to me like Fenwick is instruct players to wind up the oppostition, the way he highlight the fact that the islanders "don't let anything get to them". Jabloteh is a good side, Fenwick is a good coach, although I think he going lil overboard by comparing them to Portsmouth. Is not like he ever used to buy players anyway, except the player of the season at the end of each year.

But I didn't expect him to be happy with these results.
Title: Re: Fenwick content with CFU performances
Post by: kounty on May 13, 2010, 07:10:16 AM
well i saw the game and Fenwick (who needs a nickname) does have a point about Islanders straight forward approach and the fact that they argue less than Jabloteh. Guerra is a special guy and yuh love him and hate him in the same sentence. Kinda like Keon Daniel. Oliver was playing some kinda defensive midfield role and looked out of sorts. Jabloteh in the second half was all over that team so I wouldnt place the Islanders above them except for their group play is more precise than that of jabloteh. Jabloteh has more individual flair and showmanship but unless done effectively as in mash de ball but make an effective pass they wind up just losing out and messing up de whole play to which everyone will start to cuss yuh.

hope this helped

 :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: Fenwick content with CFU performances
Post by: Tallman on May 19, 2010, 12:48:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/kJ4cttVaiTM
Title: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: Flex on November 01, 2010, 01:19:37 PM
Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
ttproleague.com


With the Digicel Caribbean Cup second round Group F qualifiers around the corner for Trinidad and Tobago, San Juan Jabloteh head coach Terry Fenwick questions the Warriors team selection process.

The tournament to be played between November 2-6 at the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium, Marabella will feature hosts, T&T, Haiti, Guyana and St Vincent and the Grenadines.

From the four-team, the top two will qualify for the eight-team finals in Martinique from November 26 to December 5.

Fenwick, a former England international and three-time Pro League Championship winning coach, is totally disgruntled over the non-selection of his playersmainly in defence.

My disappointment comes for my players, he said. They deserve more.

Can the people in charge look beyond the petty issues surrounding Terry Fenwick? he continued.

The Englishman boasts that his team holds the best defensive record in the domestic Digicel Pro League Championship and that says a lot about his defendershowever not one of his players are selected in the T&T Mens Senior Team.

Jabloteh is again the League's meanest team with the best defensive record thus far, Fenwick argued. And yet none of the Jabloteh defenders make it into the home based National team or even the squad.

Jabloteh currently stands fifth on the League standings after Round One registered 11 goals and conceded 7, while fourth positioned Ma Pau SC scored 12 and conceded 7, as the pair holds the best defensive record in the Championship thus far.

Both teams, despite their current League defensive record, have no defenders with the T&T National team.

Youngsters like Robert Primus and Joel Russell have back to back championships behind them while in their teens, continued Fenwick.

Karlon Murray has consistently proven his critics wrong because he is a very good defender; Sheldon Bateau is a graceful defender with bags of potential and Jamaal Jack is the find of the season. He is easily the best defender in T&T at the moment, proclaimed Fenwick.

And what does Cleon John have to do to make the squad, added the Jabloteh coach who is appalled that his number one keeper isnt getting his chance.

He was voted in the best goalkeeper category in T&T for the last three years and never gets a look in. What have these kids done to be ignored at a time when the National team can't buy a clean sheet?

None of these guys have figured in the locally based National set up but surely form, facts and stats must count for something... ask (T&T Technical Director) Lincoln Phillips?

T&T Head Coach Russell Latapy named a provisional squad this week which included goalkeepers Jan-Michael Williams (W Connection) and Marvin Phillip (Joe Public). In defence are Julius James (DC United), Yohance Marshall (LA Galaxy), Kern Cupid (W Connection), Daneil Cyrus (Caledonia AIA) and Joevin Jones (W Connection).

The rest of the team include midfielders Clyde Leon (W Connection), Trent Noel (Joe Public), Densill Theobald (Caledonia AIA), Hughtun Hector (W Connection), Keon Daniel (Puerto Rico Islanders), Hayden Tinto (Joe Public), Anthony Wolfe (North East Stars), Lester Peltier (Ma Pau FC) and Kendall Jagdeosingh (Puerto Rico Islanders).

While Devon Jorsling (Defence Force), Jamal Gay (unknown), Kerry Baptiste (Joe Public) and Shahdon Winchester (W Connection) are the forwards.

In their last seven matches, T&T have drawn 1-1 away to Guyana and 0-0 away to Belize. They were hammered 3-0 by Panama and suffered a 3-1 defeat against Jamaica but defeated Antigua and St Lucia in follow-up matches.

And in their final warm-up match Trinidad and Tobago were edged 1-0 away to Jamaica to an early penalty.

Believe it or not, Terry Fenwick and Jabloteh want to see the National team be successful, added Fenwick.

We are all in this together. A poor National team reflects badly on the local professional league.

A successful National team could be the tonic the Pro League and the whole nation is looking for.

2014, World Cup Finals in Brazil is next. So lets not stumble through the next three years and look for a quick fix at the last moment again.

Lets put some faith and confidence in these youngsters...give them a chance!

They'll not let you down. These guys will be in their mid 20's when Brazil come around which is perfect. These kids will need to be brave, so will the decision makers, give them the chance! I dare you, ended the Jabloteh coach.
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: Bourbon on November 01, 2010, 01:26:20 PM
Logical.

Far cry from wha went on when he decided the approach was too lax and didnt make his players available.
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: Sam on November 01, 2010, 02:52:50 PM
Just out of curiosity, ah wonder what qualification Terry Fenwick have ?

Terry, de national players eh get paid in 7 internationals, so doh worry, by the TTFF not calling yuh players it might be de best this at the moment.
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: Ngozi on November 01, 2010, 03:15:58 PM
I always thought Latapy didn't select Primus because he was injured ..... never knew Latas was so dotish nah........ fantastic player dunce coach!
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: just cool on November 01, 2010, 03:35:20 PM
I always thought Latapy didn't select Primus because he was injured ..... never knew Latas was so dotish nah........ fantastic player dunce coach!
Ah incline tuh agree wid yuh eh, but i will reserve my comments until after the 6th of nov.
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: Jay10 on November 01, 2010, 04:31:28 PM
Only Primus really has any shot of being on the NT....Did we not see this defense perform in the CCL qualifiers? Nodody stood out....
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: Bakes on November 01, 2010, 04:48:24 PM
At some point Fenwick needs to take stock of the fact that his comments are becoming counter-productive.  We all know that there's a barely-concealed feud going on between him and the TTFF, and we all already know where he stands on the issue of the selection and/or training of the national team. 

He needs to recognize that henceforth his best answer when the question is posed to him would be "I've already commented on the state of the national team and the selection process, and my opinion since then hasn't changed."  He starting to sound like a broken record, or worse... like he have axe to grind, by issuing some new comment (stating the same thing) every couple months.
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: Ngozi on November 01, 2010, 05:28:10 PM
At some point Fenwick needs to take stock of the fact that his comments are becoming counter-productive.  We all know that there's a barely-concealed feud going on between him and the TTFF, and we all already know where he stands on the issue of the selection and/or training of the national team. 

He needs to recognize that henceforth his best answer when the question is posed to him would be "I've already commented on the state of the national team and the selection process, and my opinion since then hasn't changed."  He starting to sound like a broken record, or worse... like he have axe to grind, by issuing some new comment (stating the same thing) every couple months.

I see your point but regardless of whether Fenwick's approach is feasible or not he does have a point that Latapy is not really looking around the league for players he is only recycling players from before ... if anyone saw Primus vs Mexico it was a forgone conclusion that this kid has to be included ...or the u20's world cup campaign I mean .... we posters here see what highlights of games or when the games across the internet etc..... Touches reports etc and we all know that Primus is a fantastic prospect yet he kept with Hislop and these guys..... Latas isn't doing anything to make us even remotely feel like defending him.
He is simply horrible!
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: frico on November 01, 2010, 05:57:54 PM
I dont really feel that TF "has an axe to grind",the man has lived in TT long enough to develop a love for the country and by extension would have TT football at heart.I would have to believe what he is saying and its not difficult to see that some of RL selections are somewhat strange.RL has proved without doubt that he is not a good coach and dont seem to have what it takes,at least presently,and I still dont understand why the TTFA is prolonging his stint.I assume when we fail to qualify for Digicel 2010 action will be taken.TT football has stagnated under RL,please,please,please dont let our dream turn into a nightmare yet again. 
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: palos on November 01, 2010, 05:59:54 PM
At some point Fenwick needs to take stock of the fact that his comments are becoming counter-productive.  We all know that there's a barely-concealed feud going on between him and the TTFF, and we all already know where he stands on the issue of the selection and/or training of the national team. 

He needs to recognize that henceforth his best answer when the question is posed to him would be "I've already commented on the state of the national team and the selection process, and my opinion since then hasn't changed."  He starting to sound like a broken record, or worse... like he have axe to grind, by issuing some new comment (stating the same thing) every couple months.

I see your point but regardless of whether Fenwick's approach is feasible or not he does have a point that Latapy is not really looking around the league for players he is only recycling players from before ... if anyone saw Primus vs Mexico it was a forgone conclusion that this kid has to be included ...or the u20's world cup campaign I mean .... we posters here see what highlights of games or when the games across the internet etc..... Touches reports etc and we all know that Primus is a fantastic prospect yet he kept with Hislop and these guys..... Latas isn't doing anything to make us even remotely feel like defending him.
He is simply horrible!

The fact it doh have a single Jabloteh player on de squad speaks volumes.

On de one hand, Latas eh no Beenhakker so he eh tellin Jack Warner "I ridin out if yuh interfere wit meh selection".  Latas will do like a good lil boy and choose from the player pool he ALLOWED TO SELECT FROM

On de oddah hand, Fenwick want to play he ackin like he is a CL team and refusin he players to train wit de national team unless is on FIFA dates etc.  It bong to have repurcussions fuh dat and sadly, de one's affected is de players.

Fenwick have a big part to play in de dotishness and no amounta crocodile tears or false indgnation goin to erase dat.  If he want to know why Primus and Murray dem cyah make de national side, somebody need to place him in front a full length mirror and let him take a LONG HARD LOOK.
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: Storeboy on November 01, 2010, 06:05:40 PM
Whatever your feelings about Fenwick, his statements are so logical they cannot be ignored.  We need a coach with common sense and coaching ability and a reformed TTFF which understands its role....NOW, or we can kiss Brazil 2014 goodbye.
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: Bakes on November 01, 2010, 06:11:15 PM
I see your point but regardless of whether Fenwick's approach is feasible or not he does have a point that Latapy is not really looking around the league for players he is only recycling players from before ... if anyone saw Primus vs Mexico it was a forgone conclusion that this kid has to be included ...or the u20's world cup campaign I mean .... we posters here see what highlights of games or when the games across the internet etc..... Touches reports etc and we all know that Primus is a fantastic prospect yet he kept with Hislop and these guys..... Latas isn't doing anything to make us even remotely feel like defending him.
He is simply horrible!

This is what I said:

Quote
At some point Fenwick needs to take stock of the fact that his comments are becoming counter-productive.

In hindsight what I should have said is "At some point Fenwick needs to take stock of the fact that his commenting is becoming counter-productive."

I don't disagree at all with the substance of what he's saying but, then again, I look on him favorably.  To those who are more neutral it might sound like constant griping. I just think that he should just give it a rest now, I understand why he might feel it necessary to continue to agitate in the press, in the hopes of his players getting a fair shot at a call-up... but I don't know that his chosen method will yield that result.
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: Tallman on November 01, 2010, 06:27:35 PM
Is not like Jabloteh relly getting marginalised. Latapy gave 7 caps to Marcano and 6 caps to Guerra. Primus on de U-23 team.

Jabloteh players on de U-20 squad:
Jamaal Francois
Sheldon Bateau
Jerrel Britto
Johan Peltier
Vernell Ramirez
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: Deeks on November 01, 2010, 06:40:11 PM
What Terry need to do is to focus his team to win the PFL and then prepare his team well to play in the CL. If his team wins, they can't deny his plays a spot on the TT team. Stop making TTFF raise he blood pressure
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: weary1969 on November 01, 2010, 07:57:55 PM
At some point Fenwick needs to take stock of the fact that his comments are becoming counter-productive.  We all know that there's a barely-concealed feud going on between him and the TTFF, and we all already know where he stands on the issue of the selection and/or training of the national team. 

He needs to recognize that henceforth his best answer when the question is posed to him would be "I've already commented on the state of the national team and the selection process, and my opinion since then hasn't changed."  He starting to sound like a broken record, or worse... like he have axe to grind, by issuing some new comment (stating the same thing) every couple months.

I see your point but regardless of whether Fenwick's approach is feasible or not he does have a point that Latapy is not really looking around the league for players he is only recycling players from before ... if anyone saw Primus vs Mexico it was a forgone conclusion that this kid has to be included ...or the u20's world cup campaign I mean .... we posters here see what highlights of games or when the games across the internet etc..... Touches reports etc and we all know that Primus is a fantastic prospect yet he kept with Hislop and these guys..... Latas isn't doing anything to make us even remotely feel like defending him.
He is simply horrible!

The fact it doh have a single Jabloteh player on de squad speaks volumes.

On de one hand, Latas eh no Beenhakker so he eh tellin Jack Warner "I ridin out if yuh interfere wit meh selection".  Latas will do like a good lil boy and choose from the player pool he ALLOWED TO SELECT FROM

On de oddah hand, Fenwick want to play he ackin like he is a CL team and refusin he players to train wit de national team unless is on FIFA dates etc.  It bong to have repurcussions fuh dat and sadly, de one's affected is de players.

Fenwick have a big part to play in de dotishness and no amounta crocodile tears or false indgnation goin to erase dat.  If he want to know why Primus and Murray dem cyah make de national side, somebody need to place him in front a full length mirror and let him take a LONG HARD LOOK.

 :beermug:
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: elan on November 01, 2010, 09:12:42 PM
I remember a couple years ago nearly the whole ah Jabloteh make up the NT, now not one. All them clubs really improving.


Watch to eh, Ma Pau eh have no players either an Ma Pau made up of Jabloteh players.


Joe Public trying to pressure players in coming to play for them. If you play for Ma Pau or Jabloteh, no National call up so no foreign contract. Join Joe Public and get call up to the National team.
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: Coach on November 01, 2010, 09:43:39 PM
Latas is starting to understand that the level of ball in the pro league is at a low level, reasons for our poor performaces with pro league players in international games.
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: elan on November 01, 2010, 10:14:10 PM
Latas is starting to understand that the level of ball in the pro league is at a low level, reasons for our poor performaces with pro league players in international games.

So then no Pro league players on the National team.  The goat does soon figure out that he can only graze where he is tied.
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: handsanointed on November 02, 2010, 05:56:44 AM
Is not like Jabloteh relly getting marginalised. Latapy gave 7 caps to Marcano and 6 caps to Guerra. Primus on de U-23 team.

Jabloteh players on de U-20 squad:
Jamaal Francois
Sheldon Bateau
Jerrel Britto
Johan Peltier
Vernell Ramirez

Jamal Francois no longer plays for Jabloteh.........he plays for Ma Pau.
Title: Re: Fenwick questions Warriors selection process.
Post by: Coach on November 02, 2010, 09:58:38 AM
Latas is starting to understand that the level of ball in the pro league is at a low level, reasons for our poor performaces with pro league players in international games.

So then no Pro league players on the National team.  The goat does soon figure out that he can only graze where he is tied.
Yes there should be pro league players... on the National team, but these players needs to be evaluated properly to make the team. Remember in the beginning Latas had thought that he could of competed on the international stage with most of the players coming from the pro league... but after some poor performances against weak opposition Latas is starting to understand that the level of the game... in the pro league is not of high quality... and he needs to use foreign players if he wants to compete.
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: AB.Trini on November 27, 2010, 03:24:15 PM
leh we make sure that the grass eh always greener on the other side
Title: Re: Who de hell Terry Fenwick think he is?
Post by: SWO_TNTFAN on November 27, 2010, 04:01:13 PM
latas too soff. TNT needs a coach like fenwick. you lorse ah fight vs midget? licks! in ur arse  :rotfl:
Title: Terry Fenwick awarded UEFA A License.
Post by: Flex on November 30, 2010, 10:05:00 AM
Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Soca Warriors Online Press Release.


The English Football Association has awarded Terry Fenwick the UEFA A License in September 2010. Fenwick, one of only two people in the region, the other residing in Jamaica has been a fully fledged coach since 1991.

Fenwick successfully completed the English Full Badge whilst still a player with Tottenham Hotspur back in the early nineties. The Full Badge was superseded by the UEFA A License in the late 90s.

A three day conversion course was implemented to smoothly convert Full Badge coaches into UEFA A License Coaches.  Fenwick, who was Terry Venables assistant coach at Crystal Palace at that time did not complete the conversion course before he took up his coaching position at San Juan Jabloteh.

Several years had passed where the T&T Pro Leagues schedule restricted Fenwick from reaffirming his credentials. Fenwick got that opportunity and took full advantage last year while he was absent from San Juan Jabloteh during the CLICO crisis.

Fenwicks Full Badge course in 1991 was conducted by John Peacock, the now Head of Coaching at the English FA. Fenwick and Peacock have remained friends since 1991.

Also on the course were Chris Houghton, Alan Curbishley and Steve Rutter.  Rutter, now a solid fixture at the English FA conducts courses worldwide for the most prestigious award in football.

Mentors - Sir Bobby Robson & Terry Venables

Fenwick has been fortunate to work under English legends Sir Bobby Robson and Terry Venables.  Venables was Fenwicks mentor and Manager at three Premiership clubs, Crystal palace, Queens Park Rangers and Tottenham Hotspur. Sadly, Sir Bobby Robson past away last year but Fenwick and Venable remain close friends.

Development

Fenwicks first managerial appointment was as Manager of Portsmouth Fc 1994-97.

Fenwick quickly applied his development skills into the cash strapped club netting the south coast club over 10.5 million pounds over his three year tenure.

Developmental/ Transfer Fees Lee Bradbury 3.5M, Kit Simons 2.2M, Paul Hall 1.3M, Daryll Powell 800K, Jerry Creaney 1.5M, Deon Burton.2M, Guy Butters 350K, Matt Swensen 650K.

Fenwicks Development Program in T&T with local outfit San Juan Jabloteh has also been impressive.

Listed below are some of the players Fenwick has aided in developing.

Kelvin Jack, Collin Samuel, Cyd Gray, Ian Gray, Aurtis Whitley, Cornell Glen, Josh Johnson, Trent Noel, Kerry Baptiste, Ataullah Guerra, Lester Peltier, Khaleem Hyland, Robert Primus, Sheldon Bateau, Jerrel Britto, Cleon John, Elton John, Elijah Manners, Jason Marcano, Devon Jamerson, Johan Peltier.. and the next rising star progressing through Fenwick could be Matthew Woo Ling who at 14 has already attended several sessions with Fenwick and his San Juan Jabloteh Pro-Team.
   
Overseas Contracts

Fenwick has secured 18 overseas contracts for local T&T players.

Contribution to T&T Football
Significant!
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: reggae-fan on November 30, 2010, 10:10:33 AM
Fenwick next coach of T&T?
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: Cowen on November 30, 2010, 10:10:52 AM
Well look at this.............most qualified coach (on paper) ............ :devil:


What is TTFF gonna do now

 :beermug:
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: D.H.W on November 30, 2010, 10:16:34 AM
Fenwick next coach of T&T?

ha! i wont hold my breath , knowing how the TTFF operates
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: Fyzoman on November 30, 2010, 10:18:02 AM
But who is de Asian sensation (Woo Ling), or is this another Jagdeosingh???
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: dwn on November 30, 2010, 10:26:08 AM
Several years had pasted where the T&T Pro Leagues schedule restricted Fenwick from reaffirming his credentials.. Fenwick got that opportunity last year during his absents from San Juan Jabloteh during the CLICO crisis, Fenwick took full advantage.

 ???
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: Dutty on November 30, 2010, 10:30:01 AM
But who is de Asian sensation (Woo Ling), or is this another Jagdeosingh???

oh gorm is T&T, woo ling afro mus be ticker dan mines

Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: Sando on November 30, 2010, 10:32:09 AM
But who is de Asian sensation (Woo Ling), or is this another Jagdeosingh???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7sS-gQZ9JE

Also...

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/100241769.html
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: Dutty on November 30, 2010, 10:38:28 AM
But who is de Asian sensation (Woo Ling), or is this another Jagdeosingh???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7sS-gQZ9JE

Also...

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/100241769.html

I stand corrected


he afro still lookin ticker dan mines doh  :afro:
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: ProudTrinbagonian on November 30, 2010, 10:43:58 AM
Congrats  :beermug:
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: MEP on November 30, 2010, 10:49:19 AM
Several years had pasted where the T&T Pro Leagues schedule restricted Fenwick from reaffirming his credentials.. Fenwick got that opportunity last year during his absents from San Juan Jabloteh during the CLICO crisis, Fenwick took full advantage.

 ???

yeah boy....sound like de TTFF media man
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on November 30, 2010, 10:58:22 AM
But who is de Asian sensation (Woo Ling), or is this another Jagdeosingh???

This kid is quality... went to Sunderland the other day through the digicel John Barnes thing

My neighbour is one of the kids I coach at QPCC and he plays on the u14 Fatima team with him... so I've followed their games while supporting my QPCC boys and I've always heard good things but he is on a next level.. his technique is on a different level and he is both footed ..plays CM.. very agressive and very smart for a 14 year old.. has a great shot with both feet...scores goals for fun....vision and passing range very high quality too

definitely one for the future if he keeps his head on and continues to develop at the rate he is then he will be a great prospect... he is a very down to earth kid too.. didnt get a hint of arrogance or anything.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: KND2 on November 30, 2010, 11:12:50 AM
Flex like he running a campaign for Fenwick...well look thing.

Fenwick hitting them in the media, he taking the battle to the public.

Fenwick will not last 2 weeks as TnT coach.

and it have nothing to do with football.


He is too "professional" to deal with the TTFF.
the first time camps ask him to swing by the office to collect the cooler for practice so they boys and them can have something to drink.
That will be the end of it.

Fenwick better send he resume to capello to see if he could help that struggle team.

Because in Trinidad.

With regard to the TTFF, he not changing a thing.

either we will see a changed fenwick ie

keep his mouth shut and collect his paycheck which the chance to be the national coach or he will continue to open his mouth and jack will shut him up quick.

2 weeks self he would not last.

Football wise he will be decent , because he knows the players and has a professional approach.
Maybe he should be Latapy assistant  :rotfl:

an indestrutable force meets an immovable object.
That will be the end of football in TnT for a while.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: Flex on November 30, 2010, 11:30:19 AM
KND, its doesn't matter what I say, do or published, Fenwick is not liked by the TTFF and will never get the job.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: weary1969 on November 30, 2010, 11:36:14 AM
KND, its doesn't matter what I say, do or published, Fenwick is not liked by the TTFF and will never get the job.

Yes boi u iz he agent. LOUDDDDDDDDDD STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: dwn on November 30, 2010, 12:22:38 PM
He is too "professional" to deal with the TTFF.
the first time camps ask him to swing by the office to collect the cooler for practice so they boys and them can have something to drink.
That will be the end of it.

 :rotfl:

i'd like to believe that that was a joke and doesn't really happen, but the way things going i not too sure.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: zuluwarrior on November 30, 2010, 12:25:16 PM
TTFFdont like the man because they cant balls him around with bullshit and maybe he says things the way he sees it ,they cant deal with a professional coach .

What does that say about the TTFF ??? ??? they like shit, that is why our team will not be going anywhere soon doh matter what coach they get .
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: Brownsugar on November 30, 2010, 01:07:10 PM
TTFFdont like the man because they cant balls him around with bullshit and maybe he says things the way he sees it ,they cant deal with a professional coach .

What does that say about the TTFF ??? ??? they like shit, that is why our team will not be going anywhere soon doh matter what coach they get .

Nah man, we getting a bess coach.  Yuh eh get the memo or wha??  The deal is being made in Zurich right now.....oh and yeah.....

We going Brazil!!!....
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: asylumseeker on November 30, 2010, 02:39:34 PM
Been meaning to ask ... is he the son of one of the brothers Woo Ling or are they his uncles?
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: asylumseeker on November 30, 2010, 02:41:35 PM
Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Soca Warriors Online Press Release.


The English Football Association has awarded Terry Fenwick the EUFA A License in September 2010. Fenwick, one of only two people in the region, the other residing in Jamaica has been a fully fledged coach since 1991.


I wouldn't take that to the bank.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: Observer on November 30, 2010, 02:46:17 PM
Hannibal Najjar has his UEFA A as well
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 30, 2010, 02:47:33 PM
Fenwick should leave these shores at the first decent chance he gets and never look back. I hope some other Caribbean nation pick him up as national coach and then blaze we tail out a next gold cup again.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: Tallman on November 30, 2010, 02:50:16 PM
Shouldn't it be UEFA, not EUFA?
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: Fyzoman on November 30, 2010, 03:07:03 PM
Thanks for de update on dis Woo Ling kid, ah feel as though ah watching some lil brazilian oui

in dese dark days dem video of him make me feel happy.....ah like how he rel like to pass de ball.

at de risk of being labelled an ass, watching him shows the de results of player development (dat some on here like to always talk bout) at work, no?
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: Bakes on November 30, 2010, 03:10:33 PM
Fenwick should leave these shores at the first decent chance he gets and never look back. I hope some other Caribbean nation pick him up as national coach and then blaze we tail out a next gold cup again.

Frankly, I don't know why he's wasting his time in TnT.  Some may say that he has no better prospects abroad, but I'm sure that with an Ass't Manager (Crystal Palace) and Manager (Portsmouth) on his resume that there would be opportunities for him in England.  Yet people want to begrudge him and make comparisons to that spectacular shithong, McComie.  Maybe is juss de weather and nice 'oman have him tie to TnT so... cuz God know de pay and headache ent worth it.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: Bourbon on November 30, 2010, 03:22:54 PM
Question.

Are there any minimum requirements or qualification Pro League coaches must have to coach? As I recall, in most major leagues there usually is.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: King Deese on November 30, 2010, 03:41:56 PM
Terry Fenwick, dem Trinis and dem doh want you here and dey doh understand you.

Run, Buddy, Run.

Go somewhere where you skill level is appreciated.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: Observer on November 30, 2010, 03:43:57 PM
Fenwick should leave these shores at the first decent chance he gets and never look back. I hope some other Caribbean nation pick him up as national coach and then blaze we tail out a next gold cup again.

Frankly, I don't know why he's wasting his time in TnT.  Some may say that he has no better prospects abroad, but I'm sure that with an Ass't Manager (Crystal Palace) and Manager (Portsmouth) on his resume that there would be opportunities for him in England.  Yet people want to begrudge him and make comparisons to that spectacular shithong, McComie.  Maybe is juss de weather and nice 'oman have him tie to TnT so... cuz God know de pay and headache ent worth it.


the decision as to who coaches T&T is one persons decision. remember is only a fluke bring Beenie. The first choice was Ron Atkinson and player power axe dat.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: Coop's on November 30, 2010, 03:48:46 PM
Terry Fenwick, dem Trinis and dem doh want you here and dey doh understand you.

Run, Buddy, Run.

Go somewhere where you skill level is appreciated.
  Tell that to Jabloteh,they did not have money and he still hang in there with them,Eve left and he stayed.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: palos on November 30, 2010, 04:06:24 PM
Hannibal Najjar has his UEFA A as well

Bradang!!!!!

And Fenwick will be as effective as Najjar was as national team coach

Except.....he doh write nice letters like Hannibal  :devil:
Title: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Errol on December 02, 2010, 05:42:42 PM
Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy.

Over the past year, I have been monitoring the comments and tone of Terry Fenwick as he continually wage a campaign of unrelenting verbal attacks on  Hear coach Russell Latapy.

On this basis, I began to wonder what might be the deep routed issues with Fenwick as it relates to Coach Latapy given Fenwick obsession.

What is motivating Fenwick, is it the need for power as  he seems himself as the next coach of the senior national team, and in order to so do, he needs to ensure that Latapy is not provided with the necessary supported to succeed.

So who is the real Terry Fenwick, some known facts that is in the public domain about the man.

He is and English Football coach and former player at various levels of the game.
He holds the English record for most yellow cards, three (3) in a single world cup tournament.
Infamous for being passed by Diego Maradona, as Maradona scored the goal of the century.
He was arrested, convicted and serves prison time in September 1991 for drunk driving.
He managed Northampton Town to its worse record and was fired after 7 games.
He withheld his players form national team practice, so Latapy would not have his schedule planned coaching sessions.

All of Fenwicks posturing and comments have been so adverse, one wonders what value, if any, he brings to the life of his players at  Jabloteh. He is of no value to our people.

Colin Simpson- Tobago.
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Quags on December 02, 2010, 06:23:29 PM
I think Terry really took a personal interest in Latas .When his players where asked to practice with the team and he came along . What he saw that day maybe shook him to the core ,cause hes way more worried than ever before .And hes right .
And for all foreign based Terry .probably way more Trini than us by now .
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: mukumsplau on December 02, 2010, 06:29:09 PM
in d land of picong i surprise trinis so sensitive an sorf
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Bakes on December 02, 2010, 06:32:00 PM
in d land of picong i surprise trinis so sensitive an sorf

Aye... watch yuh mouth, is ah Tobagonian who write dat.




Brownsugar ent allyuh want de recognition?  :D
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Tallman on December 02, 2010, 06:38:16 PM
Over the past year, I have been monitoring the comments and tone of Terry Fenwick as he continually wage a campaign of unrelenting verbal attacks on  Hear coach Russell Latapy.

That is an exaggeration, otherwise this website in de same boat too.  :devil:


He withheld his players form national team practice, so Latapy would not have his schedule planned coaching sessions.

What is motivating Fenwick, is it the need for power as  he seems himself as the next coach of the senior national team, and in order to so do, he needs to ensure that Latapy is not provided with the necessary supported to succeed.

Fenwick disturbed over direction of T&T national football (http://www.socawarriors.net/mens-senior-team/7096-fenwick-disturbed-over-direction-of-tat-national-football.html)

The T&TFF is not doing their bit in providing professional and competent support for Russell as national coach. So we are not giving him a chance. We recently saw Marvin Faustin, a nice guy, recruited as assistant coach but now we have not one, but two very inexperienced coaches with no real programme going forward.

My comments are not meant to offend but merely extend an opinion on a professional basis. When it all turns sour for Russell, the T&TFF will undoubtedly turn to Dwight Yorke as the next step. Only when these two national heroes have ruined their coaching careers will the T&TFF look further than the end of their noses. I think it is very unfair on both Russell and Dwight to be exposed in this way. I believe Russell is doing the job for all the right reasons but is ill equipped to succeed. I think we should be doing much better than we are at every level...unfortunately inexperience and lack of competence at management level will have us fall short in meaningful competitions.


All of Fenwicks posturing and comments have been so adverse, one wonders what value, if any, he brings to the life of his players at  Jabloteh. He is of no value to our people.

Are the comments unfounded or inaccurate?
With what has gone on with the national senior team since 2006, do you really expect anything other than adverse comments?
What posturing yuh talking bout?
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Peong on December 02, 2010, 06:43:04 PM
Fenwick sounds the same as we do.
Tallman ah have wuk for yuh.  Which of our coaches has the worst record?
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on December 02, 2010, 06:43:40 PM
Another race fueled post... "Who is de white englishman to be talking about Russell so"

Ignorance of the highest level....  I think more people agree with Terry's view and comments than disagree

Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Sando on December 02, 2010, 06:51:38 PM
This sound like Michael McComie wrote this.

And all them incident happened 20 years ago, so who cares, people makes mistakes and learn from it.

Latapy have no back bone and allow the TTFF to run him over. He don't stand up for his players, he working them and they have not been paid since the Chile game, Latapy working for free to.

And Latapy if you read this, please go and learn to coach, you are killing our football, because you are to soft.
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Tallman on December 02, 2010, 07:55:56 PM
Tallman ah have wuk for yuh.  Which of our coaches has the worst record?

For coaches who were in charge for at least 10 games, dat honor goes to Rene Simoes, who had a 2-6-2 record. Then Wim with 6-8-4, then Latas with 9-11-3.
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Big Magician on December 02, 2010, 08:05:41 PM
too too
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: rippin on December 03, 2010, 01:35:01 AM
What has Fenwick achieved with Jabloteh outside of Trinidad? Fenwick has shown a knack for picking and grooming young talent. That warrants him talking about the youth teams. If Fenwick really cared about our football he can start formulating a plan to develop young talent. Let him work with coaches in the North South East, West and Tobago. Let them start screening and developing young players to feed into the Jabloteh system. Start a zonal based  tournament. Heck make a reality show with youth being chosen for Jabloteh youth teams. This would expose TV viewers to coaching techniques and  drills.  Long term look to invite team from region and keep expanding till it reaches a stage where the final phase competition would be worth scouting by big clubs. This would be more productive than bumping his gum.

 Until Jabloteh make a splash in CONCACAF he need to only be offering positive advice and comments.
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: SWO_TNTFAN on December 03, 2010, 02:16:26 AM
 

With very little games and half something tournys like panam games etc i dont see why fenwick can't get a try, besides the man knows local players and the pro league... What we got to lose? Latapy have us Cyprus level! We collect four at home.. man it can't get worse than this.
Men bawling wonder goal beat we against grenada LOL! We scored a "wonder goal" to beat Martinque, otherwise my predictions would be spot on!
i Said it once and maybe with all the bickering ppl missed it, the team needs a captain with leadership qualities that can interact, co-ordinate and organise the flow of play or control it in the middle or defense. Pick one.
We too disorganised that is why we can't have a forward holding player like anelka etc so keon is useless unless he is a winger in which he can't cross properly dont know why.. anyways i am out nite ..
With Latas squad, Baptiste or Julius should be wearing the captains armband at least Noel.. or just stick with bleeder..
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Tallman on December 03, 2010, 02:57:34 AM
What has Fenwick achieved with Jabloteh outside of Trinidad? Fenwick has shown a knack for picking and grooming young talent. That warrants him talking about the youth teams. If Fenwick really cared about our football he can start formulating a plan to develop young talent. Let him work with coaches in the North South East, West and Tobago. Let them start screening and developing young players to feed into the Jabloteh system. Start a zonal based  tournament. Heck make a reality show with youth being chosen for Jabloteh youth teams. This would expose TV viewers to coaching techniques and  drills.  Long term look to invite team from region and keep expanding till it reaches a stage where the final phase competition would be worth scouting by big clubs. This would be more productive than bumping his gum.

 Until Jabloteh make a splash in CONCACAF he need to only be offering positive advice and comments.

Why does it matter what he or Jabloteh have achieved? Is either his comments are valid or not.
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Brownsugar on December 03, 2010, 03:33:55 AM
in d land of picong i surprise trinis so sensitive an sorf

Aye... watch yuh mouth, is ah Tobagonian who write dat.




Brownsugar ent allyuh want de recognition?  :D

Dat Simpson fella have to be a kakahole......ah going to pass ah decree to have him exiled from the island..... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: saga pinto on December 03, 2010, 05:26:12 AM
What has Fenwick achieved with Jabloteh outside of Trinidad? Fenwick has shown a knack for picking and grooming young talent. That warrants him talking about the youth teams. If Fenwick really cared about our football he can start formulating a plan to develop young talent. Let him work with coaches in the North South East, West and Tobago. Let them start screening and developing young players to feed into the Jabloteh system. Start a zonal based  tournament. Heck make a reality show with youth being chosen for Jabloteh youth teams. This would expose TV viewers to coaching techniques and  drills.  Long term look to invite team from region and keep expanding till it reaches a stage where the final phase competition would be worth scouting by big clubs. This would be more productive than bumping his gum.

 Until Jabloteh make a splash in CONCACAF he need to only be offering positive advice and comments.

Why does it matter what he or Jabloteh have achieved? Is either his comments are valid or not.

Well said tallman!!!

You know I wonder about some of these posters please think before you post!!!!   
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: D.H.W on December 03, 2010, 06:29:05 AM
Colin Simpson yuh too sorf.
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: reggae-fan on December 03, 2010, 09:44:17 AM
Tallman ah have wuk for yuh.  Which of our coaches has the worst record?

For coaches who were in charge for at least 10 games, dat honor goes to Rene Simoes, who had a 2-6-2 record. Then Wim with 6-8-4, then Latas with 9-11-3.

Interesting. Jamaica's most successfull coach ever Rene Simoes is T&T's worst coach ever.  :o

Whats the message here?
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: FF on December 03, 2010, 09:46:09 AM
Tallman ah have wuk for yuh.  Which of our coaches has the worst record?

For coaches who were in charge for at least 10 games, dat honor goes to Rene Simoes, who had a 2-6-2 record. Then Wim with 6-8-4, then Latas with 9-11-3.

Interesting. Jamaica's most successfull coach ever Rene Simoes did very well as coach of Jamaica, then goes south to T&T where he was their worst ever coach.  :o

Whats the message here?

that you is a trolling c*nt
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Dutty on December 03, 2010, 09:53:52 AM
Tallman ah have wuk for yuh.  Which of our coaches has the worst record?

For coaches who were in charge for at least 10 games, dat honor goes to Rene Simoes, who had a 2-6-2 record. Then Wim with 6-8-4, then Latas with 9-11-3.

Interesting. Jamaica's most successfull coach ever Rene Simoes did very well as coach of Jamaica, then goes south to T&T where he was their worst ever coach.  :o

Whats the message here?

that you is a trolling c*nt

flawless
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Observer on December 03, 2010, 10:07:32 AM
Tallman ah have wuk for yuh.  Which of our coaches has the worst record?

For coaches who were in charge for at least 10 games, dat honor goes to Rene Simoes, who had a 2-6-2 record. Then Wim with 6-8-4, then Latas with 9-11-3.

Interesting. Jamaica's most successfull coach ever Rene Simoes is T&T's worst coach ever.  :o

Whats the message here?


Take into consideration quality of opposition played against!
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: kicker on December 03, 2010, 10:32:43 AM
Another race fueled post... "Who is de white englishman to be talking about Russell so"

Ignorance of the highest level....  I think more people agree with Terry's view and comments than disagree



It works both ways.  His skin colour and nationality actually give him a voice in our (TT) society as well.  Not saying that his comments are innaccurate but let's face it, Terry Fenwick is a joke in England when you talk to football heads about team managers- he's a joke. 

Also I didn't hear the guy mention skin colour in his post.  If you disagree with him that's one thing but I don't see the basis for what you're saying. Do you even know what race Colin Simpson is?    Based on his points it sounds like he would have raised them regardless of what TF's skin colour was....  So you tell me who is pulling the race card here....him or you?
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: dwn on December 03, 2010, 10:42:01 AM
To answer the question - Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy?
Because Latapy is the national team coach and the man is a sports writer reporting on the national team! Duh  :P
Read the English press, and you would see the scrutiny coaches' performances receive. Fenwick not doing anything that commentators and writers around the world don't do everyday. And as Tallman said, the man's assessments are logical and make sense.
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Peong on December 03, 2010, 11:06:11 AM
Tallman ah have wuk for yuh.  Which of our coaches has the worst record?

For coaches who were in charge for at least 10 games, dat honor goes to Rene Simoes, who had a 2-6-2 record. Then Wim with 6-8-4, then Latas with 9-11-3.

Thanks. 
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: rippin on December 03, 2010, 05:32:33 PM
What has Fenwick achieved with Jabloteh outside of Trinidad? Fenwick has shown a knack for picking and grooming young talent. That warrants him talking about the youth teams. If Fenwick really cared about our football he can start formulating a plan to develop young talent. Let him work with coaches in the North South East, West and Tobago. Let them start screening and developing young players to feed into the Jabloteh system. Start a zonal based  tournament. Heck make a reality show with youth being chosen for Jabloteh youth teams. This would expose TV viewers to coaching techniques and  drills.  Long term look to invite team from region and keep expanding till it reaches a stage where the final phase competition would be worth scouting by big clubs. This would be more productive than bumping his gum.

 Until Jabloteh make a splash in CONCACAF he need to only be offering positive advice and comments.

Why does it matter what he or Jabloteh have achieved? Is either his comments are valid or not.

Well said tallman!!!

You know I wonder about some of these posters please think before you post!!!!   

I thought it out before I post.

How do we determine if his comments are valid unless we look at what he  has achieved. By their fruits you would recognize them. All Trini clubs look amature in CONCACAF Chanmpionships. The problem with Trinis is we like to talk and listen to old talk. Latapy put himself in a bad spot because he had no previous track record for us to judge him on.  Fenwick have one. He got fired after 7 games in England. Come trini to be a big fish in small pond. When he leave Trini pond and go out what happens?  How do we know that  is not the team that can't follow Latas instructions?  Spotting and developing talent does not qualify you as a good coach. What is the sense fighting down Latas in the media if he not willing to step up and offer his services.

Latas never developed the defensive side of his game. If he never saw the need as a player how can he now teach defense as a coach? By their fruits you would recognize them.
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: kicker on December 03, 2010, 05:49:12 PM

Why does it matter what he or Jabloteh have achieved? Is either his comments are valid or not.

It does matter because his commentary is flavored with opinions and some degree of subjectivity- not just facts. 

If it was purely factual, then it doesn't matter.  But the opinion of a successful expert will always be granted more credence than the opinion of someone whose competence is questionable.   

Also some will argue that he has an axe to grind- that could taint the objectiveness of his opinion.

btw...I'm not saying that his comments were not valid.  I'm just saying that people are entitled to critique his record when assessing his opinion. 
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: MEP on December 03, 2010, 05:54:37 PM
this is what I doh unnerstan with Trinidadians and Tobagonians. I have never met Fenwick and don't prefess to speak for  him...but some of allyuh being disingenious but the man is ah Trini and we need to stop thinking about him in terms of race or country of origin.  He may not have been born in T&T but certainly carries a love for the country and because he is passionate about the sport he played professionally he has shown that he cares about our football too. What else does the man have to do to prove that?
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Socapro on December 03, 2010, 06:21:34 PM
this is what I doh unnerstan with Trinidadians and Tobagonians. I have never met Fenwick and don't prefess to speak for  him...but some of allyuh being disingenious but the man is ah Trini and we need to stop thinking about him in terms of race or country of origin.  He may not have been born in T&T but certainly carries a love for the country and because he is passionate about the sport he played professionally he has shown that he cares about our football too. What else does the man have to do to prove that?

 :thumbsup:

He's no different to Birchall!
Only difference he's a coach as opposed to a player!
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Bakes on December 03, 2010, 06:24:35 PM

Why does it matter what he or Jabloteh have achieved? Is either his comments are valid or not.

It does matter because his commentary is flavored with opinions and some degree of subjectivity- not just facts. 

If it was purely factual, then it doesn't matter.  But the opinion of a successful expert will always be granted more credence than the opinion of someone whose competence is questionable.   

Also some will argue that he has an axe to grind- that could taint the objectiveness of his opinion.

btw...I'm not saying that his comments were not valid.  I'm just saying that people are entitled to critique his record when assessing his opinion. 

The only thing that matters is whether he's qualified to provide the level of analysis he offers.  Yes success adds to the credibility of the analysis since it supports the notion that the critic knows what he's talking about, but coaching success isn't a requirement to offering credible criticism. Any number of factors affects the bottomline of winning or losing, often it has nothing to do with knowledge of the respective games.
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: kicker on December 03, 2010, 08:46:00 PM

The only thing that matters is whether he's qualified to provide the level of analysis he offers.  Yes success adds to the credibility of the analysis since it supports the notion that the critic knows what he's talking about, but coaching success isn't a requirement to offering credible criticism. Any number of factors affects the bottomline of winning or losing, often it has nothing to do with knowledge of the respective games.

word...I hear you.
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: elan on December 03, 2010, 10:28:01 PM

Why does it matter what he or Jabloteh have achieved? Is either his comments are valid or not.

It does matter because his commentary is flavored with opinions and some degree of subjectivity- not just facts. 

If it was purely factual, then it doesn't matter.  But the opinion of a successful expert will always be granted more credence than the opinion of someone whose competence is questionable.   

Also some will argue that he has an axe to grind- that could taint the objectiveness of his opinion.

btw...I'm not saying that his comments were not valid.  I'm just saying that people are entitled to critique his record when assessing his opinion. 

Kicker yuh say alot of nutten there.

Fenwick work in an environment where getting the best players in the country is dependent on what his employers can afford or willing to spend. The National Coach position has the ability to call ANY player he/she/it deems the best in the country. So to equate Fenwick acheivement with Latapy acheivements with the National team is more different than similar.

To critique Fenwick observation on the national team with his club acheivement is like Wenger being chastised for criticizing Capello when Arsenal hasn't won anything in recent times. His acheievement or lack thereof cannot or should negate his observations on the National team.
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Brownsugar on December 04, 2010, 12:08:29 AM
Tallman ah have wuk for yuh.  Which of our coaches has the worst record?

For coaches who were in charge for at least 10 games, dat honor goes to Rene Simoes, who had a 2-6-2 record. Then Wim with 6-8-4, then Latas with 9-11-3.

Interesting. Jamaica's most successfull coach ever Rene Simoes did very well as coach of Jamaica, then goes south to T&T where he was their worst ever coach.  :o

Whats the message here?

that you is a trolling c*nt

ooohhh guuuuddd!!! Ball lorse umpire.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: kicker on December 04, 2010, 12:05:31 PM

Kicker yuh say alot of nutten there.

Fenwick work in an environment where getting the best players in the country is dependent on what his employers can afford or willing to spend. The National Coach position has the ability to call ANY player he/she/it deems the best in the country. So to equate Fenwick acheivement with Latapy acheivements with the National team is more different than similar.

To critique Fenwick observation on the national team with his club acheivement is like Wenger being chastised for criticizing Capello when Arsenal hasn't won anything in recent times. His acheievement or lack thereof cannot or should negate his observations on the National team.

I don't disagree, and like I said I'm not saying that what he is saying is not valid....but if he's opining on stuff where based on his record, accomplishments, his resume etc, some people think he's not really in a position to opine as an experienced person/expert, then I think it's ok for people to critique him or even partially discredit him... Any diligent person could conduct the appropriate research and speak theoretical ideals...the reason why pundits are usually from the field is because they've often stood in the shoes of their subject matter... Let's be honest, people on this board don't only appreciate TF's views because of what he's saying, but also because they trust his perspective based on his background and experience....If some people's assessment of his backgrond and his experience doesn't yield the same level of trust, then I think that's fair as well...whether we agree or not. 
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: maxg on December 04, 2010, 12:31:52 PM
Eh Eh..anti Fenwick critiquers...perspective
so why plenty ppl on here so obsessed with Jack & Camps, and other officials...they ever hold ah FIFA post, run ah TT football league, run ah Football Federation, have to represent ah country at anything, play for ah big side, run ah government Ministry, run ah Multi-Million dollar organization ? why ppl critique/protest governmental decrees, they every run a country, ah region, ah city, ah household....eh eh, ppl have opinions on how the ppl they supposedly have chosen to represent them actually represent, and though not all will agree or disagree, each allowed to voice their pleasure or displeasure, and the common consensus reigns supreme, in the meanwhile every opinion must be considered...Fenwick also has vested interest in TT football, he coaches at what is supposed to be the highest level in the country, he as all others in similar positions should most definately have access to all the ears that have the same interest that is TT football as he ..wheter he is, was or would be ah successful or failed coach....actually voting/ hiring/ campaigning for him is a seperate issue, but he have more rights to comment and critique more than many, if not everyone, who actually post here...that includes even the respected highly experienced on the board...cause he actually works and makes a living in the Kitchen(country), trying to develop - properly or not - some of those same National players...it can be argued, has Latapy ever done as much ?
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Bakes on December 04, 2010, 12:34:26 PM
I don't disagree, and like I said I'm not saying that what he is saying is not valid....but if he's opining on stuff where based on his record, accomplishments, his resume etc, some people think he's not really in a position to opine as an experienced person/expert, then I think it's ok for people to critique him or even partially discredit him... Any diligent person could conduct the appropriate research and speak theoretical ideals...the reason why pundits are usually from the field is because they've often stood in the shoes of their subject matter... Let's be honest, people on this board don't only appreciate TF's views because of what he's saying, but also because they trust his perspective based on his background and experience....If some people's assessment of his backgrond and his experience doesn't yield the same level of trust, then I think that's fair as well...whether we agree or not. 

I think yuh absolutely right in what yuh saying... generally speaking.  I don't think the criticism of Fenwick is appropriate in our case because he's played and coached on bigger stages than anything we have ever experienced or have to offer.  In other words he's not out of his depth in his criticism or analysis.  

These aren't world class players, playing in an established system, under an experienced, veteran coach.  If you had such players, in such a system, under such a coach then you could say at least Latas know what he doing, things just ent working.  Me eh know big time football expert but even I can see that Latapy only doing ad hoc managing.
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: sammy on December 04, 2010, 05:20:44 PM
oh boy...... Jabloteh get knock out today........next thing u see latapy writing up on fennick tomorrow.  :P
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: weary1969 on December 04, 2010, 05:41:02 PM
oh boy...... Jabloteh get knock out today........next thing u see latapy writing up on fennick tomorrow.  :P

YEAH RIGHT
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Flex on December 04, 2010, 07:46:37 PM
oh boy...... Jabloteh get knock out today........next thing u see latapy writing up on fennick tomorrow.  :P

You sure, because I saw Jabloteh beat Joe Public 2-0 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=51981.msg711355#msg711355) and JP was the one getting knocked out !!! .. 8)
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: sammy on December 04, 2010, 08:07:25 PM
oh boy...... Jabloteh get knock out today........next thing u see latapy writing up on fennick tomorrow.  :P

You sure, because I saw Jabloteh beat Joe Public 2-0 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=51981.msg711355#msg711355) and JP was the one getting knocked out !!! .. 8)

oops ......maybe i heard wrong or Francesca read it wrong in the news.  :-[
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Sam on December 05, 2010, 08:21:31 AM
oh boy...... Jabloteh get knock out today........next thing u see latapy writing up on fennick tomorrow.  :P

You sure, because I saw Jabloteh beat Joe Public 2-0 (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=51981.msg711355#msg711355) and JP was the one getting knocked out !!! .. 8)

oops ......maybe i heard wrong or Francesca read it wrong in the news.  :-[

Yuh was quick to come and say yuh thing eh !!!

This article have no value..

Fenwick was reporting things we all have been saying here all the time.

Mr Colin Simpson probably is a make up name and some one of Latas family worte this senseless editorial.

Latapy needs help as a coach, he went Martinique to party with them two young ladies he took, he didn't go to coach a team, if you dont repsect yourself and lead by example, how will the players respect you ?
Title: Re: Editorial: Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy ?
Post by: Preacher on December 05, 2010, 01:51:08 PM
Why is Fenwick so obsessed with coach Latapy.

Over the past year, I have been monitoring the comments and tone of Terry Fenwick as he continually wage a campaign of unrelenting verbal attacks on  Hear coach Russell Latapy.

On this basis, I began to wonder what might be the deep routed issues with Fenwick as it relates to Coach Latapy given Fenwick obsession.

What is motivating Fenwick, is it the need for power as  he seems himself as the next coach of the senior national team, and in order to so do, he needs to ensure that Latapy is not provided with the necessary supported to succeed.

So who is the real Terry Fenwick, some known facts that is in the public domain about the man.

He is and English Football coach and former player at various levels of the game.
He holds the English record for most yellow cards, three (3) in a single world cup tournament.
Infamous for being passed by Diego Maradona, as Maradona scored the goal of the century.
He was arrested, convicted and serves prison time in September 1991 for drunk driving.
He managed Northampton Town to its worse record and was fired after 7 games.
He withheld his players form national team practice, so Latapy would not have his schedule planned coaching sessions.

All of Fenwicks posturing and comments have been so adverse, one wonders what value, if any, he brings to the life of his players at  Jabloteh. He is of no value to our people.

Colin Simpson- Tobago.

What kinda dotish article is this?  Fenwick ain't have to say nuttin bout Latapy job performance.  Latapy saying it all. 
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded UEFA A License.
Post by: King Deese on December 08, 2010, 09:06:43 PM
How many coaches in the TT Pro League currently hold coaching license of any kind other than Terry Fenwick?
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded UEFA A License.
Post by: royal on December 09, 2010, 11:44:35 AM
How many coaches in the TT Pro League currently hold coaching license of any kind other than Terry Fenwick?

one of the criteria of being a Head Coach in the pro league is that you must have a coaching licence.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded UEFA A License.
Post by: elan on December 09, 2010, 12:26:26 PM
How many coaches in the TT Pro League currently hold coaching license of any kind other than Terry Fenwick?

one of the criteria of being a Head Coach in the pro league is that you must have a coaching licence.

What level license? Plus there's differences between license, diploma and certificate.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded UEFA A License.
Post by: King Deese on December 10, 2010, 09:25:56 AM
How many coaches in the TT Pro League currently hold coaching license of any kind other than Terry Fenwick?

one of the criteria of being a Head Coach in the pro league is that you must have a coaching licence.

What level license? Plus there's differences between license, diploma and certificate.
One of the reason why I asked that question is that I saw a couple games Joe Public played in the recently concluded concacaf tournament where they looked absolutely clueless and weak. Their coach was clearly out classed and out of his mind. He didn't have a game plan. How can you look that bad? Does Mr. King have any type of license?
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded EUFA A License.
Post by: che on December 10, 2010, 12:48:01 PM
But who is de Asian sensation (Woo Ling), or is this another Jagdeosingh???

This kid is quality... went to Sunderland the other day through the digicel John Barnes thing

My neighbour is one of the kids I coach at QPCC and he plays on the u14 Fatima team with him... so I've followed their games while supporting my QPCC boys and I've always heard good things but he is on a next level.. his technique is on a different level and he is both footed ..plays CM.. very agressive and very smart for a 14 year old.. has a great shot with both feet...scores goals for fun....vision and passing range very high quality too

definitely one for the future if he keeps his head on and continues to develop at the rate he is then he will be a great prospect... he is a very down to earth kid too.. didnt get a hint of arrogance or anything.

Small Mag. since it looks like you know the family. Is Melissa and Stephenie Woo Ling his sisters? And how come they were not part of the girls WC team?
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick awarded UEFA A License.
Post by: Big Magician on December 10, 2010, 02:25:06 PM
PAZ  7254
Title: Fenwick tells Bradbury to ignore 'detractors'
Post by: Tallman on February 05, 2011, 08:52:08 AM
Fenwick tells Bradbury to ignore 'detractors'
By Ian Wadley (Bournemouth Echo)


MENTOR Terry Fenwick tipped Lee Bradbury to succeed in the harsh world of football management and urged his former protg: Be your own man.

The ex-England defender handed Bradbury his chance in the professional ranks when he signed him for Portsmouth in 1995.

He recognised the now rookie Cherries managers potential and ended up selling him to Manchester City for 3million to help ease Pompeys money worries.

Bradbury worked under an estimated total of 25 managers including legendary figures such as Terry Venables and Harry Redknapp during a distinguished career, but he last month ranked Fenwick among his favourites.

The former QPR and Tottenham full-back, who earned 20 international caps, is now in charge of San Juan Jabloteh in Trinidad and Tobago and was last night set to lead his team in a major cup final.

Having managed Portsmouth and, briefly, Northampton Town, Fenwick is well aware of the difficulties facing bosses in the British game and he highlighted the perils of poor results.

But he thinks Bradbury, who was last week appointed permanent successor to Eddie Howe at Dean Court, should be well equipped to cope with the challenges.

Speaking to the Echo from Trinidad, Fenwick said: I think making the transition into management is extremely hard, particularly in England, hence why Im out here in Trinidad and Tobago.

Its not easier here but you get time to show your abilities and sculpt the sort of team and club that you want.

Unfortunately, I dont think that happens in the UK. It is very cut and dried. You either win games and survive or you are out of the door.

That is the harsh reality of British football.

Lee is very strong minded, though.

Hell have his own ideas and will have picked up a lot from the coaches he has had over the years.

If he has made his notes and jotted down the things he sees as positives from the people he has worked under, he should have plenty in the tank to make a success of it.

Asked what advice he would pass on, Fenwick said: Be your own man, which he is.

Dont take too much notice of the detractors on the outside, which he will get. There will be those that will be waiting for him to stumble.

Hes just got to keep his head down and do the things that are right for the team and the club.

What I think I always saw in Lee Bradbury was honesty. If he can be as honest in management as he was as a player, I think hes got a great chance of making it.

Reflecting on the Cherries chiefs time at Fratton Park, Fenwick added: He never wanted to cause a flap and was always very professional in his manner, whether it was on the field or socially.

He was an all-round good character and the sort of player that you wanted in and around your team.
Title: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: Tallman on March 21, 2011, 03:24:54 PM
Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
ttproleague.com


San Juan Jabloteh midfielder and team captain Marvin Oliver was sacked on Sunday by head coach Terry Fenwick for his participation in a BGTT/Counselor Zoff Celestine sponsored Tyro Sports Club offseason Bourg Mulatresse (minor)League.

Its unfortunate, said a disappointed Fenwick on Monday morning following his team session which was minus the talented 36 year old Oliver. But he took the chance and paid the price as a consequence.

Fenwick, who was present at the minor-League competition on Sunday afternoon, said he made aware his presence and verbally informed Oliver that his contract was immediately terminated.

Olivers involvement in the minor-League and axing came two days before Tuesdays Digicel Pro Bowl quarterfinal clash against Defence Force which kicks off from 8pm at the Marvin Lee Stadium.

Oliver, the 2007 Toyota/Pro League Player of the Year, joined Jabloteh from neighbouring rivals Caledonia AIA in 2008 and in the 2010 received warning of his involvement in minor-Leagues as a professional player.

Oliver was fined and temporarily stripped of the captains armband for appearing as player/coach in the Bourg Mulatresse minor-League along with a three other Jabloteh players.

I wrapped his knuckles, (then), and told him he needs to be more responsible, said Fenwick.

It might be very late in the season with a (Digicel Pro Bowl) title to play for, but this is a guy that I have great respect for and wanted to prepare him for coaching because at 36, he was coming to the end of his playing career. He will give a good fight in every game but the discipline isn't there.

In addition the national Under-20 quartet, Sheldon Bateau, Jerrel Britto, Johan Peltier and Cordell Cato, who are currently on tour in Colombia will miss the match. Despite their absence Fenwick was still optimistic about his team a win and said, We were the first team to defeat them during the season and we intend to be the last local team to do so this season, boasted Fenwick.

It doesnt matter who you are, if you dont have discipline than you cant fit in. And I am willing to give the young lads who want the chance and hold a much better level of discipline, ended Fenwick.

(http://www.ttproleague.com/images/stories/Domestic_News/oliveraxe.jpg)
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: Bakes on March 21, 2011, 03:30:52 PM
Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
ttproleague.com


I wrapped his knuckles, (then), and told him he needs to be more responsible, said Fenwick.

Fenwick name Ferdie Pacheco or what, lol


"rapped"

Man have to eat I suppose.... but that's the price you pay.
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: Trinimassive on March 21, 2011, 03:47:59 PM
Since this is not the first time Fenwick do this, and Oliver know how Fenwick is...ah giving Oliver the benefit of the doubt that he do it on purpose to get out he contract. Why else he would do something that he know Fenwick will get rid of him for ???

If yuh want ah gig on the side then why not open up ah lil youth camp and coach...charge ah small fee.  Try something that ent gonna get yuh fired
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: elan on March 21, 2011, 04:00:08 PM
Deja-vu  ???
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 21, 2011, 05:42:02 PM
Since this is not the first time Fenwick do this, and Oliver know how Fenwick is...ah giving Oliver the benefit of the doubt that he do it on purpose to get out he contract. Why else he would do something that he know Fenwick will get rid of him for ???

If yuh want ah gig on the side then why not open up ah lil youth camp and coach...charge ah small fee.  Try something that ent gonna get yuh fired

All he could have done is just asked to be released ....
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: weary1969 on March 21, 2011, 07:04:03 PM
AGAIN
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: elan on March 21, 2011, 07:48:13 PM
The Pro league getting better.
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: andre samuel on March 22, 2011, 04:45:25 AM
The TTFF should also find a way to fine the "minor" league clubs that these professional players play for.  And also the sponsors of these minor leagues.  Firing the players from their clubs isnt enough!

This is killing our game and it needs to be stamped out.

I say they should create a stipulation whereby only if a player is given permission by his club can he participate in a minor league competition!!

ah love it!!

Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: Coop's on March 22, 2011, 06:07:36 AM
The TTFF should also find a way to fine the "minor" league clubs that these professional players play for.  And also the sponsors of these minor leagues.  Firing the players from their clubs isnt enough!

This is killing our game and it needs to be stamped out.

I say they should create a stipulation whereby only if a player is given permission by his club can he participate in a minor league competition!!

ah love it!!


      How could the TTFF fine a Minor league club,it have no constitution,rules etc etc that controls a Minor league,FIFA,TTFF,CONCACAF etc has no control over a Minor league,these leagues could be here today and gone tomorrow.
      Since when Minor league Football killing our game,Minor league has always been our roots,it's where all our great/best players started or came from,stamping it out is what going to kill Football.Minor league is what brings us all together,it's community,neighborhoods,people etc Football has died in certain areas in the country because the best Minor leagues are no more and if the Minor leagues go the Major leagues will also go.
       I think is a matter of discipline on the part of players in the country,weather they want to be Pros or not and not blame the leagues,does England,France,Germany etc have that problem?we always want to compare ourselves with the rest of the world keep blameing JW and don't grow up.
       The bottom line is they can't stop Minor league anywhere,it's what the average people that like the game look forward too. 
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: College on March 22, 2011, 06:45:39 AM
The TTFF should also find a way to fine the "minor" league clubs that these professional players play for.  And also the sponsors of these minor leagues.  Firing the players from their clubs isnt enough!

This is killing our game and it needs to be stamped out.

I say they should create a stipulation whereby only if a player is given permission by his club can he participate in a minor league competition!!

ah love it!!


      How could the TTFF fine a Minor league club,it have no constitution,rules etc etc that controls a Minor league,FIFA,TTFF,CONCACAF etc has no control over a Minor league,these leagues could be here today and gone tomorrow.
      Since when Minor league Football killing our game,Minor league has always been our roots,it's where all our great/best players started or came from,stamping it out is what going to kill Football.Minor league is what brings us all together,it's community,neighborhoods,people etc Football has died in certain areas in the country because the best Minor leagues are no more and if the Minor leagues go the Major leagues will also go.
       I think is a matter of discipline on the part of players in the country,weather they want to be Pros or not and not blame the leagues,does England,France,Germany etc have that problem?we always want to compare ourselves with the rest of the world keep blameing JW and don't grow up.
       The bottom line is they can't stop Minor league anywhere,it's what the average people that like the game look forward too. 

Well said Coops....
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: Peong on March 22, 2011, 08:04:36 AM
The money must have been good.
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: KND2 on March 22, 2011, 10:26:39 AM
If oliver want to take a sweat that is he business.

If Fenwick wants to cut him that is he business.


Everybody is big man and can do what they want.


Just live with the concequences.

The man is 37 years old and has never been a professional by any stretch of the imagination.


Some men does have to sweat on a regular to keep they touches.


At the end of the day Oliver can take he sweat and show up the next morning and play the pants off whoever replacing him in the Jabloteh roster.

And as a result either Jabloteh or a next team will pick him up

Becuase the only thing that matters is Standard of Play.
Discipline is on paper the game is played on the field.


Look at Dwarika he still on rosters cannot run around the block but still on Roster
Why

because he can play.

 
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: Storeboy on March 22, 2011, 10:40:07 AM
It does say something about the league and the player that he would risk his contract to play for a minor league team.  But discipline is essential for a true professional and he deserves to lose his contract.
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: Deeks on March 22, 2011, 01:08:44 PM
I agree with Coops sentiment. I agree that it is a lack of discipline. But the reality is that they proplayers are not making enough money. They are money-lighting. Yes they are wrong becuase they sign a contract with the club but the money is not enough. Don't compare them with the Epl. The money is not the same.
The PFl has gov't sponsored teams. These players get a regular salaries, pension and health insurance. If they get drop from the football team, it is more than likely they will continue working there. I do not know what the salary scale, compensation and benefits are in the PFL. At one time when Jab had full sponsorship from CLICO, I can't remember Jab. players moonlighting. But since CLICO generous funding gone, Jab scrunting like the rest. Right now it appears that only Connection and JP public are the teams that paying their players a reasonable salary that will entice them not stray to the minor league.
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: elan on March 22, 2011, 01:12:53 PM
If oliver want to take a sweat that is he business.

If Fenwick wants to cut him that is he business.


Everybody is big man and can do what they want.


Just live with the concequences.

The man is 37 years old and has never been a professional by any stretch of the imagination.


Some men does have to sweat on a regular to keep they touches.


At the end of the day Oliver can take he sweat and show up the next morning and play the pants off whoever replacing him in the Jabloteh roster.

And as a result either Jabloteh or a next team will pick him up

Becuase the only thing that matters is Standard of Play.
Discipline is on paper the game is played on the field.


Look at Dwarika he still on rosters cannot run around the block but still on Roster
Why

because he can play.

 


Daiz level madness they KND.

Next thing is players don't have to training if they rel good.
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: Deeks on March 22, 2011, 02:10:22 PM
 I would only venture into TT pro league if I have a lot of money down pack. I would not be hoping investures comming with money. If you paying players a decent and or above working salary they would have no cause to moonlight. Then you can read them the riot act. I understand where Marvin coming from but Fenwick right. And TTFF can't do anything to the minor league if any player want to play there. They can ban the player from playing in the TTFF league, but they can't do the league anything.
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: john_public on March 22, 2011, 02:50:34 PM
i a big fan of marvin, love to watch de man play ball... but he neva had de discipline is every year de man playing in these minor thing, i know when he use to play in de cantaro league was neva bout no money, de man use to play for beers, i remember sitting on de block with these men and they blazing real weed and talking bout de pro games for next day

2 men i wish cuda rep trini was marvin and marlon warner, but both men want it dat bad.


all de best in the future bro, i know a next pro team will pick u up ( not sure if thats a good thing for de game though)
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: diamondtrim on March 22, 2011, 03:04:27 PM
If d powers dat b do away wit d pro league and throw some money behind all d minor leagues in d country, we football go improve.

Trinis like to sweat for 3,4 days in d week and play a match on d weekend. We aint into dis trainin every day ting.

Let teams from d eddie hart and ting pay dey players a lil 2 or 300 a game and crowds go be larger, sponsors could get more advertising utility and d football go b nicer
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: PantherX on March 22, 2011, 04:18:37 PM
The TTFF should also find a way to fine the "minor" league clubs that these professional players play for.  And also the sponsors of these minor leagues.  Firing the players from their clubs isnt enough!

This is killing our game and it needs to be stamped out.

I say they should create a stipulation whereby only if a player is given permission by his club can he participate in a minor league competition!!

ah love it!!


      How could the TTFF fine a Minor league club,it have no constitution,rules etc etc that controls a Minor league,FIFA,TTFF,CONCACAF etc has no control over a Minor league,these leagues could be here today and gone tomorrow.
      Since when Minor league Football killing our game,Minor league has always been our roots,it's where all our great/best players started or came from,stamping it out is what going to kill Football.Minor league is what brings us all together,it's community,neighborhoods,people etc Football has died in certain areas in the country because the best Minor leagues are no more and if the Minor leagues go the Major leagues will also go.
       I think is a matter of discipline on the part of players in the country,weather they want to be Pros or not and not blame the leagues,does England,France,Germany etc have that problem?we always want to compare ourselves with the rest of the world keep blameing JW and don't grow up.
       The bottom line is they can't stop Minor league anywhere,it's what the average people that like the game look forward too. 
+

The real issue here is that the Minor Leagues are exposing themselves to legal problems by allowing contracted players to play.  If one were to suffer injury while playing that players club would certainly be within their right to seek compensation for the loss.

I imagine the Pro League might even encourage the club to take legal action, even though the minor league would more than likely be unable to pay such compensation, if only as a means gain leverage or perhaps set a precedent for future litigation.

Pro clubs in Europe seek compensation when their players are hurt on international duty do you think for a second that they wouldn't do the same to a minor league?  Maybe that's why this isn't an issue there.
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2011, 06:59:24 PM
The real issue here is that the Minor Leagues are exposing themselves to legal problems by allowing contracted players to play.  If one were to suffer injury while playing that players club would certainly be within their right to seek compensation for the loss.

I imagine the Pro League might even encourage the club to take legal action, even though the minor league would more than likely be unable to pay such compensation, if only as a means gain leverage or perhaps set a precedent for future litigation.

Pro clubs in Europe seek compensation when their players are hurt on international duty do you think for a second that they wouldn't do the same to a minor league?  Maybe that's why this isn't an issue there.

The analogy is flawed... FIFA mandates that clubs make available their players and so the clubs are forced to comply.  Principles of equity (fairness) require that if the club then suffers some sort of loss to their interests (via injury to the player), then the country Federation owes compensation to the club, who are still obligated to pay the salary of the injured player.

With the situation in the Pro League, clubs are not obligated to pay the salary of a player who is injured while partaking in some forbidden activity.  This is standard in all professional sports.  Many NBA teams for instance, have clauses written into their contract with players prohibiting them from riding motorcycles (see Jay Williams and the Chicago Bulls).  Engaging in a prohibited activity is a voidable breach of contract.

The 'minor' leagues are free welcome Pro League footballers since those footballers are free to work for whomever they please... even if they are already under contract to a team.  The Club however has the right to seek enforcement of its exclusive rights to the player's services by taking the player to court.  Clubs have however settled on a simpler solution... termination of contract. The minor leagues have nutten to do with that... whatever risks the player decides to take he's free to take it. 

To be honest these players don't realize the liabilty (say nothing of the risk of injury) they are exposing themselves to.  If a club really wanted they could sue the player... ex. if Jab have to replace Oliver with a more expensive player, Oliver easily could end up owing the club the difference.  It's like me hiring you to paint my house for $400 and halfway thru you decide to ride out.  If I have replace you with a man charging $600 (say for instance cost for painting houses have since gone up, or because this man have to rush to finish the job by a deadline so he charging more)... I could turn around and sue you for $200 in damages.
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: Deeks on March 22, 2011, 08:01:36 PM
Bakes,
        Thank for clarifying the legal slant to this situation. I feel Marvin wrong and Fenwick right.
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: Bakes on March 22, 2011, 09:45:45 PM
Bakes,
        Thank for clarifying the legal slant to this situation. I feel Marvin wrong and Fenwick right.

No problem  :beermug:

Whether Marvin "wrong" is a matter of perspective, after all if the man do it out of necessity then can't really fault him, man must eat.  There's no question though that Fenwick is well within his rights, legally and on principle, to terminate the contract.
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: davidephraim on March 22, 2011, 11:41:50 PM
I really doubt it was out of necessity. I more believe like KND was saying,, if you sit down wid these fellas, they all bout football more so than the professionalism of it. To that- a man might say.. "boy F$%k away wid Terry and dem man yes. I is a baller and man should be able to play a lil ball in the community. We tend to only look at the big things but small things matter as well and most times even more. Bring the football back to the communities and it will probably go a long way into solving this problem. Hard luck dey Marvelous but then again I guess luck had nothing to do with it. When an athlete joins the professional ranks it comes along with stipulations. Mike Tyson cya just cuff down anybody. He gets a different charge and so did Marvelous Marvin when he decided to bounce ball in de hood! We sure one team he not making is Defense Force huh? lol
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: Coop's on March 23, 2011, 01:52:48 AM
Thanks Bakes,Deeks and others for making this a liitle more clear for us to understand,this is more serious than some may think because it's affecting our Football for the long as i can remember although it has also played a big part in our development.

I don't know if Marvin is being used as the poster boy for Minor league Football but i feel something just eh right here.I've read many interviews/ideas/suggestions etc on here from Coaches and knowledgeable people in the game and one of the things that often come across to me is the involvement of communities in Football,i often ask myself how or what are the ways we can expect that to happen,if Football don't play in a community how are people going to follow Football,if players don't play in a community how are people going to know them?

Everybody rates NE for the work they are doing with that team,it's often said they are an example for teams to follow and i rightly think so,but how much can you do on your own without being prosecuted being someone who thinks they have authority.I may be wrong but i just want to use an example here{don't kill me} NE had a tournament for the Minor league they run in the community in Grande,all the Pros were invited so that it would lift and add some more attraction to the event,no complaint from anyone everything went well according to plan.

I have come to eventually like and respect Fenwick but i think he has gone a little too far on this one,i think he still has some more to learn about our culture.   
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: maxg on March 23, 2011, 02:25:55 AM
Fenwick right. Marvin could have found many other ways to partake/assist/support the Minor league without playing. He knew the rules & and consequences, and chose to disrespect the coach, who supported/attended btw, the club, and any reasonable professional administrator as well as aspiring youths to the professional ranks..the league should also suspend him.
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: Tallman on March 23, 2011, 04:44:04 AM
I may be wrong but i just want to use an example here{don't kill me} NE had a tournament for the Minor league they run in the community in Grande,all the Pros were invited so that it would lift and add some more attraction to the event,no complaint from anyone everything went well according to plan.
I eh know all de details, but maybe dey got permission. Kinda like when yuh see dem pros playing in charity matches.

I have come to eventually like and respect Fenwick but i think he has gone a little too far on this one,i think he still has some more to learn about our culture.   
What more he have tuh learn? Jes last April, he and Marvin had an encounter wit dis minor league ting. It look like Marvin have aspirations tuh be ah coach. Ah wonder how he would handle de situation. What about Jack Warner? He doh understand we culture? Almost 10 years ago he fire Dwarika and Nigel Pierre from Joe Public for de same issue.
 
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: Football supporter on March 23, 2011, 06:34:17 AM
As usual, the devil is in the details! I believe a pro player CAN play in other competitions (charity matches, small goal, fete match) if he has written permission of his club. This is the case anywhere, beit England, Europe, USA. Usually, its the head coach who would decide if the player can take part.

The North East players were given permission to play in the competition because
a) it was a North East community program
b) it helped raised funds for future community projects
c) it promoted North East with their sponsors and could lead to greater support
d) there was a break in Pro League and gave players some competetive football.

Whether Fenwick feels Marvin broke the rules and they needed to be upheld is his decision. The important fact is that a rule was broken by Marvin, thus giving Fenwick the opportunity to end the contract if he so weanted. I guess he wanted!!
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: Coop's on March 23, 2011, 08:45:07 AM
I may be wrong but i just want to use an example here{don't kill me} NE had a tournament for the Minor league they run in the community in Grande,all the Pros were invited so that it would lift and add some more attraction to the event,no complaint from anyone everything went well according to plan.
I eh know all de details, but maybe dey got permission. Kinda like when yuh see dem pros playing in charity matches.

I have come to eventually like and respect Fenwick but i think he has gone a little too far on this one,i think he still has some more to learn about our culture.   
What more he have tuh learn? Jes last April, he and Marvin had an encounter wit dis minor league ting. It look like Marvin have aspirations tuh be ah coach. Ah wonder how he would handle de situation. What about Jack Warner? He doh understand we culture? Almost 10 years ago he fire Dwarika and Nigel Pierre from Joe Public for de same issue.
 
        You are correct Fenwick don't have anything more to learn about our culture,it's the reason he does what he wants and gets away with it,multiple fist fights with Coaches and players,tap/slap/kick/cuss and abuse them how and when he feels,he himself has no respect for authority,any how don't worry we like it so.I know JW would eventually get involved.
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: Bakes on March 23, 2011, 08:54:48 AM
        You are correct Fenwick don't have anything more to learn about our culture,it's the reason he does what he wants and gets away with it,multiple fist fights with Coaches and players,tap/slap/kick/cuss and abuse them how and when he feels,he himself has no respect for authority,any how don't worry we like it so.I know JW would eventually get involved.

You really baffling when yuh ready yes Coop's.
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: maxg on March 23, 2011, 02:01:25 PM
        You are correct Fenwick don't have anything more to learn about our culture,it's the reason he does what he wants and gets away with it,multiple fist fights with Coaches and players,tap/slap/kick/cuss and abuse them how and when he feels,he himself has no respect for authority,any how don't worry we like it so.I know JW would eventually get involved.

You really baffling when yuh ready yes Coop's.
Especially when he just write...maybe I miss ah hint of sarcasm & get chain-up
I have come to eventually like and respect Fenwick but i think he has gone a little too far on this one,i think he still has some more to learn about our culture. 
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: Trinimassive on March 23, 2011, 02:32:06 PM
        You are correct Fenwick don't have anything more to learn about our culture,it's the reason he does what he wants and gets away with it,multiple fist fights with Coaches and players,tap/slap/kick/cuss and abuse them how and when he feels,he himself has no respect for authority,any how don't worry we like it so.I know JW would eventually get involved.

You really baffling when yuh ready yes Coop's.
Especially when he just write...maybe I miss ah hint of sarcasm & get chain-up
I have come to eventually like and respect Fenwick but i think he has gone a little too far on this one,i think he still has some more to learn about our culture. 

I really think we as a culture have to learn about being more professional
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: frico on March 23, 2011, 03:34:39 PM
Marvin could do well to reduce that amount ah dreads on his head its like de man have 2 heads,surely that must be a hindrance with the extra weight,the man make the late Bob Marley look like ah baldie,cut off some ah dat man.
Title: Re: Fenwick lays the axe on Oliver
Post by: triniairman on March 23, 2011, 03:50:13 PM
        You are correct Fenwick don't have anything more to learn about our culture,it's the reason he does what he wants and gets away with it,multiple fist fights with Coaches and players,tap/slap/kick/cuss and abuse them how and when he feels,he himself has no respect for authority,any how don't worry we like it so.I know JW would eventually get involved.

You really baffling when yuh ready yes Coop's.
Especially when he just write...maybe I miss ah hint of sarcasm & get chain-up
I have come to eventually like and respect Fenwick but i think he has gone a little too far on this one,i think he still has some more to learn about our culture. 

I really think we as a culture have to learn about being more professional
Fully agree!!
Title: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Tallman on July 19, 2011, 03:31:46 PM
Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
ttproleague.com


Englishman Terry Fenwick is back in the TT Pro League and brings along the queen, no not Queen Elizabeth III.

In fact, Fenwick has been instrumental in the merging of Pro League club St. Anns Rangers and North Zone outfit QPCC to form Queens Park FC which will line up to challenge title defenders Defence Force in 2011-2012.

The former England international defender continues to exploit his coaching in a society that holds mixed emotions about him.

However certainly boast himself as the current King of coaching with huge managerial success. Fenwick guided San Juan Jabloteh to four(2002, 2003, 2007 and 2008) TT Pro League Championships since arriving in Trinidad back in 2001. He also guided the San Juan club to two FA Trophies, three Pro Bowl titles, one First Citizens Cup and one Toyota Classic. His success also saw the club win the 2003 Caribbean Football Union Club Championship along with participation in three seasons of the CONCACAF Champions League.

Fenwicks contract with Jabloteh was terminated in February of 2011 based on contractual agreements following the withdrawal of club sponsor CLICO, forcing the 51 year old Seaham to hunt new employers.

He now vows to bring success to his new club saying, We(Queens Park FC) have a number of things melting in the pot to make this the best football club in two or three years.

Rangers owner Richard Fakoory has done a fabulous job for over 35 years in local football but just as many clubs with financial difficulties needed to get the support. So bringing the two clubs together, gives us a wonderful opportunity within the Queens Park Ovalthe best facilities in Trinidad and Tobagoto put together winning teams at all levels and thats what we are trying to do one step at a time.

He added, We would like to tap into the corporate [connections] of Queens Park and make sure theyre putting back into Trinidad and Tobago, particularly into guys that are not quite academic as we would like them to be. Keeping them out of trouble; making sure theyre doing the right things; making sure theyre operating in a disciplined environment and helping the younger kids come forward.

Fenwick began screenings last Wednesday and said that already, the enthusiasm shown by players have been excellent.

Top players from around Trinidad want to be part of this, he said. Weve got some terrific players coming in to train with us. And we all know that my teams have always been on the top of local football and we want to continue and start ourselves at that level. We want to knock on the door from first year.

Fenwick who has also been instrumental in a number of foreign contracts of players over the years and is known for throwing young players into the spotlight said, We want a top academy. We want to make sure we get the best kids around Trinidad and Tobago and run the best and most disciplined football operations in the Caribbean.

I know this is going to be the best local academy. Ive already gotten twenty-two players overseas contracts. Thats miles more than any other coach in the country and we aim to double that figure over the coming two to three years here at Queens Park football club, said the ex-English Premier League player.

(http://www.ttproleague.com/images/stories/domestic-2011/dsc_0353.jpg)
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Trinimassive on July 19, 2011, 04:12:24 PM
All the best, they could achieve alot but for the most immediate future, licks will more than likely be the reality

Fenwick like to work with youths, he should be coaching we youth teams at least. But this venture should be interesting.
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Deeks on July 19, 2011, 04:16:58 PM
Good luck Queens Park-Rangers!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: PATRIOT on July 19, 2011, 05:58:23 PM
Good luck Queens Park-Rangers!!!!!!!!
NICE ONE!!! ;D
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Deeks on July 19, 2011, 06:07:41 PM
Good luck Queens Park-Rangers!!!!!!!!
NICE ONE!!! ;D

I think is a catchy name. people can say it is not original. But they themselves said it was a merge with Rangers. So why not QP-R!!!!!

I hope the QP-R admin make a tremendous attempt to woo fans from East and West POS. Not because they and DF are the only game in the town means that they will automatically get fans. They have to earn it. The office has to pound they pavement and convince people that they are worth coming to watch. The only thing QP has going for them is the Oval. It is a small club with a big name and very small fan base in terms of football. They need to change that perception to succeed.
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Football supporter on July 19, 2011, 07:30:08 PM
Good news for the Pro League. It needs big characters like Fenwick and Ince at T&TEC to create interest.
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: royal on July 19, 2011, 08:34:18 PM
Good news for the Pro League. It needs big characters like Fenwick and Ince at T&TEC to create interest.


hope so,fixtures out yet?
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Tallman on July 19, 2011, 08:36:23 PM
Good news for the Pro League. It needs big characters like Fenwick and Ince at T&TEC to create interest.


hope so,fixtures out yet?

Supposedly on August 1st.
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Big Magician on July 19, 2011, 09:05:02 PM
is that Atulla Guerra in the front row with the red top ??
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: davidephraim on July 20, 2011, 03:12:24 AM
is that Atulla Guerra in the front row with the red top ??

Isn't that Marvin Oliver stoopin down next to him?? Ah hear dat was Fene first signing at QPR!
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Tallman on July 20, 2011, 05:51:36 AM
is that Atulla Guerra in the front row with the red top ??

Is definitely not he. De person smiling too much  ;D

Ah find it kinda look like Glenroy Samuel.
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Tallman on July 20, 2011, 05:54:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/DKEXdL05A0c
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Coop's on July 20, 2011, 06:27:41 AM
is that Atulla Guerra in the front row with the red top ??

Isn't that Marvin Oliver stoopin down next to him?? Ah hear dat was Fene first signing at QPR!
       It don't look like Marvin Oliver to me,but on another note i think we need the big name players to elevate the league,i know it's difficult in these times with players getting contracts and scholarships,it's affecting the fan base because these players peeps will definitely come out to see plus it lifts the quality of your games.The major leagues all over the world,without the stars they are no league.
      I wish Fenwick all the success in this new venture but he have to cool down a bit.   
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Football supporter on July 20, 2011, 06:55:18 AM
Looks like Errol MacFarlane in the squad
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: dreamer on July 20, 2011, 03:55:46 PM
Looks very promising, I must admit. Good for T&T football. Good quality video that really is well constructed PR. Other teams take note. Yuh have to market yuhelselves. Sancho and de others, take note.
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Deeks on July 20, 2011, 04:17:06 PM
Coops, It will be difficult to keep a "star" players in TT nowadays. If the guy that good more than likely a foreign team will be knocking at his door. If he was to play in TT past 24/25, even men on the forumn will be doubting his ability. We will really want to know how good he is. He will have to go overseas to prove to us he that good.

As far as Fenwick is concern, I glad for the man. he is a football jumbie. He don't have prove to us anything other than winning more trophies. As long as he gets the resources like he use to with Jab, his team go be very competitive. We have to wait and see. But I still feel they should change dey name to Queen's Park-Rangers to be more inclusive. Merging their tiny fans base from the west with the tiny fan base from the east. Big Magician, I know he have strings dey. Give him my piece of advice.
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: congo on July 20, 2011, 05:15:48 PM
Don't mean to sound sceptical or anything but if Fenwick was as good as people claim, then wouldn't he be in high demand all over the world and not fighting up with our pro league?? ??? ???
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: ZANDOLIE on July 20, 2011, 06:07:06 PM
Don't mean to sound sceptical or anything but if Fenwick was as good as people claim, then wouldn't he be in high demand all over the world and not fighting up with our pro league?? ??? ???

Nobody is claiming Fenwick's accomplishments are such that he should be in demand all over the world. But his record indicates he is one of our top coaches year in year out by a country mile. Furthermore some of his ideas have proved transformational. When you hear Jamal Shabazz and other coaches talking about youth development and relying more on young players that come up thru the ranks, a lot of that is from seeing how a consistent development system at Jabloteh and to a certain extent WConection paid dividends over the long term.

Plus the man is practically the only local coach not afraid to openly and harshly criticize nepotism and sloth in the TTFF. Not saying he is a Scholari or even a Beenhakker but his methods have made the league better.
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: davidephraim on July 20, 2011, 06:11:23 PM
Looks very promising, I must admit. Good for T&T football. Good quality video that really is well constructed PR. Other teams take note. Yuh have to market yuhelselves. Sancho and de others, take note.

Specifically in terms of video I cant attest but sancho and his team does about de best in terms of PR. in my opinion, in de PFL. Especially the cheerleaders.
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Football supporter on July 20, 2011, 06:22:39 PM
Looks very promising, I must admit. Good for T&T football. Good quality video that really is well constructed PR. Other teams take note. Yuh have to market yuhelselves. Sancho and de others, take note.

It was just a Pro League interview...not a QPFC media presentation. Even Newsday only got the news from ProLeague website. What Fenwick said was very good and his coaching record at winning trophies and youth development is second to none. But as for marketing, promotion, multi sponsorship and football in the community programmes, the jury is out. None of that was there at Jabloteh to any real degree, although I liked the "next match" boards along the road to Maracas and at St Joseph.
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Bakes on July 20, 2011, 07:15:19 PM

Plus the man is practically the only local coach not afraid to openly and harshly criticize nepotism and sloth in the TTFF.

Maybe that's why they include this highly questionable quote about how Trini society "holds mixed emotions about him."

"Society" or the local football fraternity?  Because the two are not mutually inclusive.
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Big Magician on July 20, 2011, 07:38:05 PM
official news next week... just home from a meeting on this
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Deeks on July 20, 2011, 09:40:39 PM
"Society" or the local football fraternity?  Because the two are not mutually inclusive.


Bakes, Bro. It has to be the football fraternity because it appears that TT society in general  eh know or cares about football anymore. They could care less about Fenwick except when they see him on TV or newspapers running his mouth.
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Flex on August 02, 2011, 06:44:30 AM
FYI

QPFC's academy "The Football Factory"  starts tomorrow at the Queens Park Oval, 9am start, for 9 days.

Course Director Terry Fenwick.
 
Developing young people through the power of football.

Football skills - dribbling, passing, heading, shooting, defending, goalkeeping, speed, strength, agility, etc.
Life skills - Confidence, responsibility, honesty, respect, discipline, determination, patience, humility, character building, learning techniques, listening techniques and much much more!!!

Call 622 6672 to register, $575 dollars for 9 days camp.
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Flex on September 28, 2011, 05:40:09 AM
QPCC invests $30,000 in youth football.
T&T Guardian Reports.


Some 150 athletes had already registered by the time the third annual Queens Park Cricket Club (QPCC) Eight-a-Side Youth Football Tournament was launched, yesterday.

This was announced by chairman of the football committee for QPCC, Colin Borde, minutes before the leaguecomprising three divisions (Under-11, 14 and 16)kicked off.

The launch saw the presentation of the sponsors cheque worth $30,000 by the National Lotteries Control Board (NLCB) and the Ministry of Sport at the home venue for the tournament, the Queens Park Oval in St Clair.

Along with Borde, the launch was also attended by QPCC president Bruce Aanensen, Minister of Sport Anil Roberts and NLCB marketing chairman Brian Sawh, all of whom delivered welcoming and encouraging messages to some of the players in attendance.

QPCC chief executive officer (CEO) Lisa Abraham was also in attendance. The other sponsors, Beacon, Blue Waters and Pizza Boys, have all built teams for all three divisions while the Ministry of Sport/NLCB has a single team taking part in the Under-16 division. Matches will continue tomorrow in all divisions.

There will then be two match days on Monday and next Wednesday when the winners will be determined. The youth event stems from the annual QPCC 8-A-Side Football Tournament which has been in existence for 30 years.

The senior version of the competition runs until October 28. There are four divisions, consisting of 11 teams in all but the Over-55 division which consists of six teams.

The senior divisions are as follows:

Open (Under-35), 36-45 years, 46-55 years and the Over-55 divisions. Teams challenging the senior eight-a-side tournament are as follows: Appleton, Advantage Advertising, Advertising Impact, All Out, Audi, Barkin Dogs, Beacon Insurance, Burger King, Carib Pilsner Light, Ceramic Trinidad, Cinnabon, Dewers, DirecTV, Dixee, Dos Pinos, E-Zone, First Citizens Bank, Flair, Gatorade, General Finance Corporation, Gulf Oil, House Hunters, Junior Sammy Group of Companies, Mitsubishi Electric, More Sushi, Neal & Massy Automotive, Precision Point, Rentokil, Sagicor, Scooterman, Seaboard Trinidad, Security Analyst, Shell Helix, Sheppard Securities, Sports & Games, Stag, Standard Distributors, Tribe and Trotters.
Title: Re: Fenwick is back and vows to steer Queens Park FC to supremacy
Post by: Football supporter on September 28, 2011, 02:20:56 PM
Slightly misleading headline. QPCC haven't invested any money, the $30k came from sponsors!! But well done for obtaining the sponsorship to promote youth football.
Title: Fenwick Applies for Colorado Rapids Job
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 25, 2011, 11:55:51 PM
http://www.mls-rumors.net/21456/2011/11/exclusive-former-england-international-terry-fenwick-has-applied-for-colorado-rapids-position

EXCLUSIVE: Former England International Terry Fenwick Has Applied For Colorado Rapids Position?Posted by mlsrumorson Nov - 24 - 2011with 0 Comment so far
 
There is a new name to throw into the conversation about Colorados new coach. Apparently another English manager has applied to be considered for the vacancy left by Gary Smith and the Commerce City clubs separation.

In an exclusive MLS-Rumors.net has learned from a source wishing to remain anonymous that former England U-21 and senior international full back Terry Fenwick has applied for the Colorado Rapids job. Received by email:


Firstly,

Happy Thanksgiving, I hope you all have a great day and eat like kings.

I have some news on the Colorado Rapids and a candidate for the Head Coach role.

I can confirm that English Manager Terry Fenwick has applied to be considered for the job.

Terry is an ex England International and played in the 1986 World Cup. He was on the pitch when Maradona scored the goal of the century.

He also managed in the UK before working in a director of sports role for the Democratic Republic of Congo.

He has been working out of Trinidad & Tobago for some years now and won everything he can, developed a WC generation of players and is looking for the next challenge.

He is a big fan of the future of US Soccer and is very keen on being a part of the future for US Soccer.

The well travelled Fenwick is no stranger to football in CONCACAF. He managed Trinidad and Tobago club San Juan Jabloteh to win the T&T Pro League championship. It should be noted that after their championship many Trinidad and Tobago supporters felt he should have been offered the job of coach of TnTs national team.

A lot can be learned about the man in this written interview he did with the Guardian newspaper of Trinidad and Tobago.


Title: Re: Fenwick Applies for Colorado Rapids Job
Post by: asylumseeker on November 26, 2011, 06:32:14 AM
Well yeah, why not ... why not slap a few Yanks ::).  Frankly, I would prefer you stick around and slap a few Trinis.  ;)

However, the upside of anything of this nature materialising would trump a thousand Trini players based in Vietnam. The very best of luck should this report be accurate. :cheers:
Title: Re: Fenwick Applies for Colorado Rapids Job
Post by: Deeks on November 26, 2011, 08:42:04 AM
If this is so, I think he should go for it. He know the the ttff is all screwed up, why go thru all the pain?
Title: Re: Fenwick Applies for Colorado Rapids Job
Post by: Bakes on November 26, 2011, 08:58:22 AM
He'll never get a fair shake to progress beyond club football in TnT so why the heck not?  Colorado is a good franchise, with good ownership (Stan Kroenke) who is passionate about both sports and winning.  I think it's safe to say that Fenwick shares similar attributes. I'm not sure that they'll see his accomplishments as worthwhile enough, but for him, this would be a fabulous opportunity, if true.
Title: Re: Fenwick Applies for Colorado Rapids Job
Post by: Cowen on November 26, 2011, 09:23:01 AM
He'll never get a fair shake to progress beyond club football in TnT so why the heck not?  Colorado is a good franchise, with good ownership (Stan Kroenke) who is passionate about both sports and winning.  I think it's safe to say that Fenwick shares similar attributes. I'm not sure that they'll see his accomplishments as worthwhile enough, but for him, this would be a fabulous opportunity, if true.

Agreed. His career in TT as reached it's apparant pinnacle........
Title: Re: Fenwick Applies for Colorado Rapids Job
Post by: rotatopoti3 on November 26, 2011, 10:09:14 AM
he wuz d last hope we had in TNT football..dey let him go..but I happy for he if u he get that job cause it aint take ah rocket scientist tuh realize tings aint going tuh be like it use tuh be in TNT football...so why waste yuh time hear with these wannabees....
Title: Re: Fenwick Applies for Colorado Rapids Job
Post by: Controversial on November 26, 2011, 10:16:14 AM
good move, skeene and the pro league is a waste of time, not to mention, national football
Title: Re: Fenwick Applies for Colorado Rapids Job
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 26, 2011, 07:22:36 PM
With the obvious upgrade in resources, discipline, and infrastructure that Fenwick would get in the MLS, I see no reason why he couldn't do well.  Plus, he has a good owner, who doesn't meddle too much in the technical aspects of the club, so that is a plus.
Title: Re: Fenwick Applies for Colorado Rapids Job
Post by: just cool on November 26, 2011, 08:13:55 PM
he wuz d last hope we had in TNT football..dey let him go..but I happy for he if u he get that job cause it aint take ah rocket scientist tuh realize tings aint going tuh be like it use tuh be in TNT football...so why waste yuh time hear with these wannabees....

Where on earth do you come up with these puppy dog sentiments, wham horse, yuhs ah butler or what??
Title: Re: Fenwick Applies for Colorado Rapids Job
Post by: Deeks on November 27, 2011, 01:21:43 PM
good move, skeene and the pro league is a waste of time, not to mention, national football

Skeene and the pro league is not the cause of Terry's problem with TT footbal. Terry's attitude to some was assertive, to others abrasive. Take your pick. Should he be given the opportunity to coach TT? Of course. We have used foreigners before. Dexter don't pick the national coach. Jack used to. So it all falls back to the TTFF.
Title: Re: Fenwick Applies for Colorado Rapids Job
Post by: Anbrat on November 27, 2011, 07:15:22 PM
good move, skeene and the pro league is a waste of time, not to mention, national football

Skeene and the pro league is not the cause of Terry's problem with TT footbal. Terry's attitude to some was assertive, to others abrasive. Take your pick. Should he be given the opportunity to coach TT? Of course. We have used foreigners before. Dexter don't pick the national coach. Jack used to. So it all falls back to the TTFF.

Deeks, I relate to what you are saying. We are a people who object to being told to do the right thing because we have a penchant for simply doing what is wrong. Those are the ones who would find him abrasive and they are in the higher numbers! 
Title: Re: Fenwick Applies for Colorado Rapids Job
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on November 28, 2011, 12:10:41 PM
I hope he gets thru because I can see opportunities on the horizon for quite a feww TT players if it happens.
Title: Re: Fenwick Applies for Colorado Rapids Job
Post by: supporter on November 28, 2011, 04:48:40 PM
Still would love to see him take control of our 'National Team'
Title: The Warrior Call Podcast with special guest Terry Fenwick.
Post by: FireBrand on January 18, 2012, 08:23:50 PM
(http://assets.podomatic.net/mymedia/thumb/1561603/305x305%3E_5491867.jpg)

Greetings fans of T&T football,

SocaWarriors.net and the Warrior Nation are pleased to present the third episode of the Warrior Call Podcast entitled The Fenwick Factor.  Hosts Dinho, Football Supporter and Tallman are joined in the studio by special guest, former England international and San Juan Jabloteh coach Terry Fenwick. They discuss the failed Queens Park and Rangers FC merger, youth development, Terry's approach to coaching, Terry's view on T&T football, Anton Corneal's Technical Director appointment and much more. We hope you heed the 'Call' and enjoy it.

Listen here (http://socawarriorsfantasy.podomatic.com/entry/2012-01-18T11_18_26-08_00)

Listen on itunes (http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/socawarriors.net-podcast/id460444382)
Title: Re: The Warrior Call Podcast with special guest Terry Fenwick.
Post by: Sam on January 19, 2012, 06:48:39 AM
Nice work Guys....

Terry is just a boss !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Warrior Call Podcast with special guest Terry Fenwick.
Post by: Sando on January 19, 2012, 11:50:51 AM
I need to listen to this again when I get home.

Where is Terry now ?

Why is he still in T&T if he is not coaching ?
Title: Re: The Warrior Call Podcast with special guest Terry Fenwick.
Post by: Brownsugar on January 19, 2012, 06:00:33 PM
I still eh listen to episode 2 yet far less this one, but I've downloaded them for future listening.  In any event, good job guys!!!  Keep it up!!!   :notworthy: :notworthy:
Title: Re: The Warrior Call Podcast with special guest Terry Fenwick.
Post by: Tallman on January 19, 2012, 06:10:50 PM
I still eh listen to episode 2 yet far less this one, but I've downloaded them for future listening.  In any event, good job guys!!!  Keep it up!!!   :notworthy: :notworthy:

Yuh need tuh listen tuh dis one. Fenwick pulls no punches when talking about Anil Roberts, Anton Corneal, Mike McComie, TTFF, W-Connection and much more. Addresses de issue of Pro League players playing de minor leagues. He talks about how ended up in T&T. We covered a range of topics.
Title: Re: The Warrior Call Podcast with special guest Terry Fenwick.
Post by: Brownsugar on January 19, 2012, 06:21:11 PM
I still eh listen to episode 2 yet far less this one, but I've downloaded them for future listening.  In any event, good job guys!!!  Keep it up!!!   :notworthy: :notworthy:

Yuh need tuh listen tuh dis one. Fenwick pulls no punches when talking about Anil Roberts, Anton Corneal, Mike McComie, TTFF, W-Connection and much more. Addresses de issue of Pro League players playing de minor leagues. He talks about how ended up in T&T. We covered a range of topics.

Will do.....yuh wet mih appetite.... :)
Title: Re: The Warrior Call Podcast with special guest Terry Fenwick.
Post by: Errol on January 19, 2012, 07:54:11 PM
Terry should push to be Pro League boss !!!!

I will vote for him for sure.
Title: Re: The Warrior Call Podcast with special guest Terry Fenwick.
Post by: Flex on January 19, 2012, 08:13:34 PM
LINK (http://www.socawarriors.net/league/league-news/tt-pro-league/10617-the-warrior-call-podcast-with-special-guest-terry-fenwick.html)
Title: Re: The Warrior Call Podcast with special guest Terry Fenwick.
Post by: Big Magician on January 19, 2012, 11:34:56 PM
quality
Title: Re: The Warrior Call Podcast with special guest Terry Fenwick.
Post by: triniairman on January 20, 2012, 01:21:48 AM
Nice job fellars!!

I strongly believe if Fenwick is given the chance to coach the national team, he will do a fantastic job.
Title: Re: The Warrior Call Podcast with special guest Terry Fenwick.
Post by: madness on January 20, 2012, 02:30:43 AM
nice job!!!!
Title: Re: The Warrior Call Podcast with special guest Terry Fenwick.
Post by: Observer on January 21, 2012, 12:50:22 PM
Great job gentlemen. I must admit I cannot disagree with anything that was said. I like TF frank approach and the one thing everyone should understand is that professionalism is a structure & a way of life within that structure.
Terry Fenwick could serve very well as the person to standardize and establish the pro league & league football in general in T&T
Title: Mourinho gets Fenwicks nod for El Clsico.
Post by: Flex on April 20, 2012, 05:49:27 PM
Mourinho gets Fenwicks nod for El Clsico.
By: Terry Fenwick (wired868).


Ex-England international Terry Fenwick gives Wired868 the low down
 
Spains finest and two of the worlds most renowned football clubs, FC Barcelona and Real Madrid, go head-to-head in this mouth-watering winner-take-all encounter.

To fully appreciate the true value and importance of this championship decider, one must start by identifying the ingredients that have the whole football world on edge in anticipation.

Barcelona is arguably the best team on the planet and it is no overstatement to say that this club has shaped the way the rest of us view the beautiful game and deserves credit for its very brave and disciplined route to the pinnacle of world football.

Ten years of relentless passion and commitment from Barcelona has raised the bar and created its own standard and the rest of the world is now trying to emulate the style and sex appeal the club delivers.

It is an astonishing achievement that has reaped huge success for club and country alike and it is no coincidence that Spain is world champion during this emphatic period of football "Barcelona Style".

Real Madrid, on the other hand, has made no secret of its commitment to buying the best the football world can offer to ensure the Galcticos remain at the top of world football.

With the best players in Real Madrid colours, marketing at the Bernabeu can focus almost exclusively on selling the club's shirts worldwide and this practice of purchasing personnel for big money has now spilled into the realm of management /coaching.

But the question arises about whether Real can continue to raise the funding necessary to attract these top players and coaches. Can they still, it has to be asked, catch the runaway Barcelona train?

Read More (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/view-point/item/147-mourinho-gets-fenwicks-nod-for-el-clsico)

Title: Re: Mourinho gets Fenwicks nod for El Clsico.
Post by: Sam on April 21, 2012, 03:26:19 AM
Nice write up they Lasana.

Terry is ah boss...

Title: Re: Mourinho gets Fenwicks nod for El Clsico.
Post by: Flex on April 24, 2012, 05:46:35 AM
Real evolution by Mourinho's Madrid
By Terry Fenwick (wired868.com)


Some 90,000 Catalans bayed for blood in the Nou Camp; Saturday April 21 was the day they expected Barcelona to put the Real Madrids Galcticos to death, a slow, merciless death.

But they reckoned without the special one himself, Jos Mourinho.

We covered several tactical topics prior to the game on Saturday but, as we reflect on this colossal result for Real Madrid over its arch-rival Barcelona, what comes to the fore is Mourinhos tactical awareness.

How could Mourinho rally his troops to get a win against the worlds best team, which has consistently buried Real Madrid in the past nine games?

The answer lay in the selection of the players who took the field.  Gone were the players who had so often engineered and created bitter and bad-tempered games between these two giants of world football like Marcelo and Ricardo Carvalho.

In came attacking players, Mezut zil and Karim Benzema, who were suprisingly resolute in their defensive duties.  Madrids key was the admirable work ethic of world-class players renowned for sublime skills and artistic performances rather than workhorse contributions in the trenches with their comrades.

We all saw Xavi throw a mini-tantrum after he was substituted and we recognised that, on the day, it was the Galcticos who kept their cool and looked the more controlled team.

Read More (http://wired868.com/868/index.php/volley/item/149-real-evolution-for-mourinhos-madrid)
Title: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: Flex on January 05, 2013, 07:23:58 AM
Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
ttproleague.com.


Englishman Terry Fenwick has landed the coaching job of five-month old Central FC replacing fellow countryman Graham Rix.

Fenwick, a four-time (Digicel) Pro League Championship winning coach with San Juan Jabloteh, said, "They(Central) are progressive ...and I've probably got the best package in local football."

Central FC Operations Director Kevin Harrison, another Englishman, confirmed the hiring of Fenwick as Technical Director/Head Coach.

"We are delighted to say that Terry Fenwick is Technical Director/Head Coach," said Harrison. "He is with us on a one year contract for now."

Harrison went further to share that Rix, 55, a former Arsenal and England player and former assistant coach at Chealsea, left Trinidad last December. And that there was a mutual parting agreement between Central FC and Rix.

Read More (http://www.socawarriors.net/league/league-news/tt-pro-league/12089-fenwick-returns-to-the-top-flight-joins-central-fc.html)

Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: SWF Reporter on January 05, 2013, 09:40:08 AM
Fenwick is back; ex-Jabloteh coach takes over at Central
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868.com)


There will be a familiar English accent and piercing whistle at the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva this evening as former England World Cup defender and ex-San Juan Jabloteh coach Terry Fenwick takes up the reigns at Trinidad and Tobago Pro League club Central FC.

Fenwick, who won three Pro League titles and several Cups in seven years and five full seasons with Jabloteh, will led Central out in todays Couva derby against defending champions DIRECTV W Connection from 6 pm. The game is the first of a double header as Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA tackles North East Stars from 8 pm in an eagerly anticipated rematch.

Stars whipped Caledonia 3-1 in the season opener back on September 14 but the defending Caribbean champions have not lost since and have barely put a foot wrong in the Pro League.

In contrast, Connection and Central have been off the boil and they start todays contest in fifth and sixth place respectively.

But there would be interest in the return of a fierce competitor in Fenwick, a former Tottenham and Queens Park hardman whose outspoken, combative style has not made him a favourite of local referees either.

He replaces another Englishman, former Chelsea assistant coach Graham Rix, who failed to adjust to the local game and was homesick.

Fenwick, who is part-owner of Northern Football Association (NFA) outfit Football Factory, told Wired868.com that he is happy to be back in the domestic top flight.

I think I should be in this (Pro League) because Im the best and most qualified coach on the island, Fenwick told Wired868.

The Sunderland-born coach has agreed terms with Central but has not signed his contract yet and that is unlikely to be done until Monday at the earliest. But he is not the sort to shirk a challenge and was happy to face Connection, despite having held just one training session with his Sharks.

It would have been easy for me to sidestep Connection and step in for Centrals next game, he said, which would have been against Shiva Boys in the FA (Trophy). But I have ambitions for Central for the rest of the season and those ambitions can only happen if I get in quickly.

Fenwick declared his immediate goal was to add discipline and structure to the Sharks.

They have some gifted players but they lack structure and they cant defend, he said. I will bring that organisation and discipline so that we become tough to beat.

I will like us to be competitive and have a go at one or two of the Cups. What we do in the League is a bonus.

Fenwick credited Central managing director and World Cup 2006 Soca Warrior Brent Sancho and marketing manager Kevin Harrison in bringing him to the club and praised their work behind the scenes.

Jabloteh never tried off the field initiatives to make the club bigger than it was, he said. But Sancho and Harrison are doing that here and they have a lot of bright ideas and ambition. Im very pleased with Brent because he stood his ground in a very difficult time for Trinidad and Tobagos football when the Latapys and Yorkes went missing because they didnt want to upset Jack Warner.

Brent has put a team in the Pro League whereas Warner took his own out as soon as the FIFA money stopped. So Im proud of him for doing that.

The Sharks won their first two League games but their last triumph in this competition came in October while they conceded eight goals in their last two outings against Defence Force and Caledonia AIA.

Central made several acquisitions this month before agreeing terms with Fenwick as Hector Sam (St Anns Rangers), Wesley John (Police), Osei Telesford, Justin Fojo (both Puerto Rico Islanders), Rennie Britto (W Connection), Rundell Winchester and Omari Charles (both Stokely Vale) were already signed.

Winchester scored on his debut last month in a 5-2 loss to Caledonia in which Telesford also featured.

Connection has also struggled in recent times as the Savonetta Boys drew with Police and were thrashed 5-1 by Defence Force in December while they were also eliminated by North East Stars in the first round of the TTFF FA Trophy competition.

Connection coach Stuart Charles-Fevrier will no doubt try to rouse his men this evening to dispatch a rookie club led by an old foe.

Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on January 05, 2013, 09:51:15 AM
Good stuff Central, we need all the good coaches we can get. At some point this fella has to be considered for at least a national youth coaching position. Especially now with Jack 'gone'. 
Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: Sam on January 05, 2013, 10:10:03 AM
This man should be our national coach.

Good move by Central, they need to be patience though and not hurry to change coaches to much as soon as they loose 3 games they want change.

Fenwick love to build team and is not a quick fix coach.

Central should buy de Cuban striker Marcel.

Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: D.H.W on January 05, 2013, 10:19:55 AM
I still remember that lash he hit the fellah on the side line.  :devil:
Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: weary1969 on January 05, 2013, 10:34:08 AM
I still remember that lash he hit the fellah on the side line.  :devil:

I thought it was me alone.
Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: asylumseeker on January 05, 2013, 11:11:07 AM
Saw this association coming. Like it!!!
Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: Controversial on January 05, 2013, 04:20:48 PM
not bad, i wouldn't mind seeing how fenwick and fevrier would do together as coaches of the natl team, we have nothing to lose and we are re-building
Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: FireBrand on January 05, 2013, 06:27:52 PM
Great to see Fenwick with CFC and back in the Pro League! I think CFC will benefit tremendously from having him on board, especially in youth development. I echo the sentiments of those wishing to see him included in our national set up as well. All the best Terry and CFC!!!
Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: vb on January 05, 2013, 06:56:54 PM
I was wondering what keeping this man in TT so long without a job.

CFC is a work in progress and Fenwick is correct he nurtured a lot of talented youths.

I remember the lash on the sideline too.
I also remember that he take SJJ to Scotland and they end up playing no games against a top flight although they were told that the games had been organized.

VB
Title: Shahdon hattrick spoils Fenwick's return
Post by: SWF Reporter on January 05, 2013, 07:37:35 PM
Shahdon tricks Central FC; W Connection spoils Fenwick's return
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868.com)


The Digicel Pro Leagues first Couva derby proved to be a one-sided affair as talented 20-year-old striker Shahdon Winchester scored all three goals for DIRECTV W Connection who steamrolled Central FC 3-0 this evening at the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva.

The fixture marked the top flight return of former San Juan Jabloteh coach Terry Fenwick, after a two-year absence, and there were the trademark whistles and sideline commentary from Centrals new coach while referee Joel Davidson even flashed a red card.

But it was a far cry from the vivid contests between the Jabloteh and Connection teams of the last decade.

Even the dismissal was relatively tame.

Centrals utility player and 2006 World Cup member Anthony Wolfe left his feet to tackle twice in the first 25 minutes and, on both occasions, got at least as much of the opponent as he did the ball.

The tackles looked more exuberant and ill-timed than malicious but referee Joel Davidson followed the letter of the law and the two yellow cards meant the Sharks had to play over an hour with a man short.

By then, the pattern had already been established with the Connection players stroking the ball around in their own half while Central camped near the halfway line and pressured with gusto.

Once Central had done the hard bit and wrestled possession away from Connection, its players promptly gave the ball right back to the defending Pro League champions through, primarily, mishit crosses and premature efforts to counter.

Fenwick might argue the final result flattered a Connection team that was often kept at bay over the 90 minutes. But the reality is that only one team showed any quality on the ball and coach Stuart Charles-Fevriers men were well rewarded for their patience and execution.

A momentary lapse in concentration in the 32nd minute by the Central midfield allowed Connection to counter through the centre and, although goalkeeper Marvin Phillip saved the first effort from the 18-year-old Neil Benjamin, he could not prevent Winchester from tapping in the rebound.

Two minutes later, Central gifted Connection a second item as 19-year-old central defender Omar Charles played a weak back pass into Winchesters path and the attacker produced a clever scooped finish.

Charles made his debut today after joining Central from Tobagos Super League outfit, Stokely Vale, about two weeks ago, and his blunder was reminiscent of Osei Telesfords nightmarish debut in a 5-2 loss to Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA on 21 December 2013.

Central held its shape and chased and harassed opponents while Connection did its best to keep the ball away from the Sharks. And the second half might have suited both teams as Connection strode confidently towards a three-point haul while Central put in the effort Fenwick would expect from here on.

But then, three minutes into stoppage time, Winchester added further gloss to the score summary by slipping behind the Central defence to collect a Britto pass and then driving in an effort that squirmed under Phillips body before rolling home. It was his seventh league goal of the season, which brought him alongside Defence Force striker Devorn Jorsling for the joint highest individual tally at present.

Connection was not about to offer Fenwick any favours; and it did not.

The defending champions moved to third place with the result while Central remained sixth in the eight team table.

(Teams)

W Connection (4-2-1-3): 22.Aquelius Sylvester; 13.Kern Cupid, 5.Elijah Joseph, 4.Daneil Cyrus, 32.Kurt Frederick; 12.Gerrard Williams, 8.Clyde Leon (captain); 14.Hashim Arcia; 65.Neil Benjamin (29.Jomal Williams 75), 40.Shahdon Winchester, 31.Jerrel Britto.

Unused substitutes: 1.Murilo Da Costa, 2.Jelani Grosvenor, 3.Akeem Benjamin, 34.Jabari Mitchell, 37.Akeem Humphrey, 39.Alvin Jones.

Coach: Stuart Charles-Fevrier

Central FC (4-3-2-1): 1.Marvin Phillip (captain); 16.Carey Harris, 4.Omar Charles, 3.Keion Goodridge, 24.Akeem Adams; 9.Anthony Wolfe, 10.Marvin Oliver, 6.Marc Leslie (15.Sayid Freitas 84); 17.Shaquille Nesbitt, 7.Hayden Tinto (28.Hector Sam 84); 20.Darryl Trim (14.Tyrone Charles 61).

Unused substitutes: 13.Shane Mattis, 18.Cyrano Glen, 19.Adrian Noel, 26.Quincy Charles.

Coach: Terry Fenwick

Referee: Joel Davidson

Digicel Pro League (5 January 2013)

W Connection 3 (Shahdon Winchester 32, 34, 90+), Central FC 0 at Ato Boldon

Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: Football supporter on January 05, 2013, 08:01:11 PM
I was wondering what keeping this man in TT so long without a job.

CFC is a work in progress and Fenwick is correct he nurtured a lot of talented youths.

I remember the lash on the sideline too.
I also remember that he take SJJ to Scotland and they end up playing no games against a top flight although they were told that the games had been organized.

VB

And he sent Kenwyne and some others to trial at Man Utd!
Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: Football supporter on January 05, 2013, 08:06:47 PM
This man should be our national coach.

Good move by Central, they need to be patience though and not hurry to change coaches to much as soon as they loose 3 games they want change.

Fenwick love to build team and is not a quick fix coach.

Central should buy de Cuban striker Marcel.



The decision to change coaches was a mutual decision. Terry has a one year contract, but we hope that the association will be much longer. We fully expected to lose games after the delay in being accepted into the Pro League, as many of the players we were recruiting panicked and signed elsewhere. This first season was never about trophies (but, of course, we'd love to win silverware) but about establishing the brand. What we didn't like was weak, ill disciplined performances and Terry will surely correct that! We have a 5 year developmental plan and everything is on target. Although Terry is keen to win matches, he's also excited about the plans for the club.

We've looked into the Cuban fella, but aside from smuggling him out of Cuba, his situation is a bit tricky!
Title: Re: Shahdon hattrick spoils Fenwick's return
Post by: Football supporter on January 05, 2013, 08:31:01 PM
North East Stars 0 - 1 Caledonia  (Trevin Caesar 38)
Title: Re: Shahdon hattrick spoils Fenwick's return
Post by: Deeks on January 06, 2013, 12:22:48 AM
I hope the Sharks have patience and look to the long run instead of quick gratification.
Title: Re: Shahdon hattrick spoils Fenwick's return
Post by: Tallman on January 09, 2013, 07:48:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/WwosBmqzI2Q
Title: Re: Shahdon hattrick spoils Fenwick's return
Post by: KND2 on January 09, 2013, 01:17:03 PM
What happen to Rix....quit or get fired?
Title: Re: Shahdon hattrick spoils Fenwick's return
Post by: Football supporter on January 09, 2013, 01:51:25 PM
What happen to Rix....quit or get fired?

Mutual agreement.
Title: Re: Shahdon hattrick spoils Fenwick's return
Post by: asylumseeker on January 09, 2013, 02:26:16 PM
What happen to Rix....quit or get fired?

Mutual agreement.

The other day I asked TT ah "hard" question ... so lehme ask you two now. Round about Xmas time ... when he was away on vacation ... that was said to be provided for in the contract ... I thought ... "hmmm, plausible" ...

My questions are: Did he return to the island from that vacation? Did the mutuality occur at a distance?
Title: Re: Shahdon hattrick spoils Fenwick's return
Post by: truetrini on January 09, 2013, 02:38:58 PM
What happen to Rix....quit or get fired?

Mutual agreement.

The other day I asked TT ah "hard" question ... so lehme ask you two now. Round about Xmas time ... when he was away on vacation ... that was said to be provided for in the contract ... I thought ... "hmmm, plausible" ...

My questions are: Did he return to the island from that vacation? Did the mutuality occur at a distance?

Leh me make ah guess...it was an experiment!

They asked a Question... Is Rix the man? 
Do Background Research... He was available.
Construct a Hypothesis... He can inject professionalism and pride.
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment....He came and tried, he could not make it there.
Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion....He and the club realized he was not the best fit.
Communicate Your Results...I on vacation I eh coming back...OR...I going home come December fellas, find someone else.   Search was on Fenwick was replacement.
Title: Re: Shahdon hattrick spoils Fenwick's return
Post by: Deeks on January 09, 2013, 08:02:02 PM
2nd goal was a beaut. i go ask again. Is Connection a central or south team. If they are central, then Sando don't have a team of it own.
Title: Re: Shahdon hattrick spoils Fenwick's return
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 09, 2013, 08:52:41 PM
That wasn't a dive for that red card?
Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: Tallman on January 10, 2013, 05:06:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/QzKg0QRXNbs
Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: maxg on January 10, 2013, 06:44:09 PM
Peter Byers, for real, I agree with Fenwick on that..for me, the best CF from the caribbean at present..don't know how he didn't make it bigger, So I could be ignorant of certain aspects of his game.
Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: Insider on January 10, 2013, 07:08:42 PM
I went to this training by Fenwick and you can see the players confidence is high especially with Byers around. I spoke with him after, nice fellow. Central FC will do good under Fenwick because he is strick and can get the best out of the players.

But I believe they need some time to gel as they look a little scrappy at times.

The team spirit has definitely been lifted.

Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: Tallman on January 13, 2013, 07:45:20 PM
Ah wonder how Fenwick and Oliver getting along?  :devil:
Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: Football supporter on January 13, 2013, 08:22:55 PM
Ah wonder how Fenwick and Oliver getting along?  :devil:

It looks like Terry is using Marvin as his playmaker. Yesterday versus Police, everything went through Big Dread. He, Hector Sam, Hayden Tinto and Renee Britto put together some great attacking plays. Sharks were very unlucky not to score three or four goals.
I think Marvin has matured quite nicely and is looking to begin coaching. He's a pleasure to work with and is always keen to take part in community projects and, in fact, actually suggested a project for the players to do in the Central region.
Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: Flex on January 14, 2013, 06:26:16 AM
How come your two Antiguan imports did not play?

Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: Football supporter on January 14, 2013, 07:25:55 AM
How come your two Antiguan imports did not play?



Problems with the ITC. Will be registered today and available for Wednesday.

As a point of information, I will not announce new signings until they are registered and cleared. I have noted that the media have announced new signings before they have signed contracts or been successfully registered. I have prepared 2 press releases, 1 for Hector Sam/Justin Fojo and 1 for Byers and Dublin, complete with photos. However, before I can release these, the press announce they have signed!
It would be more accurate if they stated that the players are training with us and there is a possibility of them signing. This is the case with Jason Marcano, Lester Peltier and one other.
Leaving the club are Tyrone Charles and Quincy Charles.

Flex, I apologise if you get frustrated by no news of signings, but I want to ensure the players are on board before I put together a release. Also, with so many changes, a roster will not be available until Weds.
Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: Flex on January 14, 2013, 07:37:00 AM
How come your two Antiguan imports did not play?



Problems with the ITC. Will be registered today and available for Wednesday.

As a point of information, I will not announce new signings until they are registered and cleared. I have noted that the media have announced new signings before they have signed contracts or been successfully registered. I have prepared 2 press releases, 1 for Hector Sam/Justin Fojo and 1 for Byers and Dublin, complete with photos. However, before I can release these, the press announce they have signed!
It would be more accurate if they stated that the players are training with us and there is a possibility of them signing. This is the case with Jason Marcano, Lester Peltier and one other.
Leaving the club are Tyrone Charles and Quincy Charles.

Flex, I apologise if you get frustrated by no news of signings, but I want to ensure the players are on board before I put together a release. Also, with so many changes, a roster will not be available until Weds.

I understand what you are saying here, however, its the official TT Pro League website that is making these release, aren't you guys on the same page.....  ;D

btw, did you say Lester Peltier !!!

Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: Football supporter on January 14, 2013, 07:56:27 AM
How come your two Antiguan imports did not play?



Problems with the ITC. Will be registered today and available for Wednesday.

As a point of information, I will not announce new signings until they are registered and cleared. I have noted that the media have announced new signings before they have signed contracts or been successfully registered. I have prepared 2 press releases, 1 for Hector Sam/Justin Fojo and 1 for Byers and Dublin, complete with photos. However, before I can release these, the press announce they have signed!
It would be more accurate if they stated that the players are training with us and there is a possibility of them signing. This is the case with Jason Marcano, Lester Peltier and one other.
Leaving the club are Tyrone Charles and Quincy Charles.

Flex, I apologise if you get frustrated by no news of signings, but I want to ensure the players are on board before I put together a release. Also, with so many changes, a roster will not be available until Weds.

I understand what you are saying here, however, its the official TT Pro League website that is making these release, aren't you guys on the same page.....  ;D

btw, did you say Lester Peltier !!!



Lester is training with us. It doesn't look like we're on the same page, does it???
And I really prefer to see paperwork completed before changes are announced. There's so much going on, it can get confusing!!
Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: maxg on January 14, 2013, 08:35:28 AM
As far as I saw. Solvan next game is in March ? Is that correct ? If he's going back, I don't think he should be even signed on a short term. Yet the experience of training with/against him would benefit your players, I'm sure. Is that the story ? Curious as hell  :-\
Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: supporter on January 14, 2013, 01:49:05 PM
Great news. Fenwick should be coaching the soca warriors.
Title: Re: Fenwick returns to the top flight, joins Central FC.
Post by: Football supporter on January 14, 2013, 04:20:43 PM
Sorry guys, I just realised my mistake....Johann Peltier, not Lester! He's actually contracted to North East Stars, but we have been looking to do a deal of some kind. Just depends if all parties can reach an agreement.
Title: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: SWF Reporter on February 28, 2013, 07:26:01 PM
Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)


Pro League rookie club Central FC will aim to collect the first trophy in its brief history tomorrow night when the Couva Sharks face Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA from 8 pm in the TTFF FA Trophy final at the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva.

But, if it was up to Central coach and ex-England World Cup player Terry Fenwick, Central and Caledonia would both find something more worthwhile to do with their Friday night.

Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) president Raymond Tim Kee was unable to secure any sponsorship for the competition and participating clubs lose money for every round with the cost of transport, meals and miscellaneous fees as well as physical wear and tear.

There is no money for the FA (winners), said Tim Kee, in a previous interview, just the conventional medals and trophies. The football has no money now. Every time a little money comes in, it is a matter of filling holes

You cant get blood out of stone.

But Fenwick, a former FA Trophy winner and Pro League Coach of the Year with San Juan Jabloteh, described the situation as a joke, particularly in light of the Trinidad and Tobago governments supposed war on crime.

I think it is ridiculous that the TTFF and the government are not prepared to back the FA Cup financially, said Fenwick. They keep on going on about crime and whatever else but you have the kids from the block working hard and trying to better themselves and make a career outside of crime and you are not backing them. It is a social injustice.

How has the Hoops of Life benefitted anybody? (Former United States basketball star) Shaquille O Neal came and took his money and was gone while the kids here are still struggling for an honest dollar.

Fenwick might not hold the competition in high regard. But he admitted that Central is anxious to lift its first title and, as such, the Sharks cannot afford to pass up tomorrows opportunity.

Despite the absence of financial incentive, Central is desperate to win.

We are trying to progress as a football club and winning a title will help, said Fenwick. We have worked very hard for this cup final. We are playing against a team that is a lot of points better than us in the League and we will try to prepare as best we can to upset them.

Central is unbeaten in eight from 10 matches played since Fenwick replaced compatriot Graham Rix in January.

Goal scoring is a problem as Antigua international forward Peter Byers managed just one item since he joined the Sharks last month. But Centrals uptempo, committed style presents a real challenge to opponents and winger Jason Marcano is in good form as well as veteran playmaker and ex-Caledonia star Marvin Oliver.

Caledonia has not fully recaptured its poise since a flurry of exits during the January transfer window but the central midfield pairing of captain Stephan David and Argentine Miguel Romeo provides stability while Densill Theobalds return from Finland might offer a dash of style and know-how to their build-ups.

Strikers Trevin Caesar, Sheldon Holder and the versatile Keyon Edwards have had their scoring boots on this year too and Central captain and custodian Marvin Phillip is unlikely to have a quiet night.

It should make for an entertaining FA Trophy final match-up; even if the input from the tournament organisers, the TTFF, and the State is questionable at best.
 
Tomorrows Fixtures

T&T National Mens U-17 vs W Connection U-17, Exhibition, Ato Boldon Stadium, 5 pm

Caledonia AIA vs Central United, FA Trophy final, Ato Boldon Stadium, 8 pm.



Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: coache on February 28, 2013, 07:48:20 PM
The govt shouldn't give  a  black cent..Football is not a nationalized industry. There isn't a ministry of Football. Does the govt take money from the TTFF ? Does the govt regulate football ? Personally I feel that the govt should do better things with money ..like improve conditions at the nation's hospitals and clinics..or pay more Cuban and nigerian doctors than throw money at a football trophy.
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: Football supporter on February 28, 2013, 08:15:09 PM
The govt shouldn't give  a  black cent..Football is not a nationalized industry. There isn't a ministry of Football. Does the govt take money from the TTFF ? Does the govt regulate football ? Personally I feel that the govt should do better things with money ..like improve conditions at the nation's hospitals and clinics..or pay more Cuban and nigerian doctors than throw money at a football trophy.

Maybe not a football trophy, but they should certainly invest in football. It can be a valuable growth industry if they approach it correctly. Think of the millions of dollars per year that could have been generated had the Centre of Excellence been used properly. Many teams would come here for pre season tours. Teams could come and play our boys. Mini tournaments could be held there. Instead it's used to generate income for a private citizen.

But if you really want to stop govt funding football, the only team that will survive will be Central. The Army and Police would disappear, and Connection, North East, St Anns and Caledonia would have serious problems. Then, of course, you can't just stop funding football. You'd stop funding cricket, basketball, swimming, cycling, athletics, boxing etc.

Then you could pay for your Nigerian doctors to remove the bullets from all the kids who join gangs without any other way out of the ghetto.

Why do you think every civilised country pours millions into sport?
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: Observer on February 28, 2013, 08:56:29 PM
The govt shouldn't give  a  black cent..Football is not a nationalized industry. There isn't a ministry of Football. Does the govt take money from the TTFF ? Does the govt regulate football ? Personally I feel that the govt should do better things with money ..like improve conditions at the nation's hospitals and clinics..or pay more Cuban and nigerian doctors than throw money at a football trophy.

So the Government should not invest in any Sport? Abandon the Ministry of Sport! As a matter of fact why not get rid of the Arts as well!

Look the only reason they not investing is that they cannot skim off the top, dollars too small. Its not the Airport, Highway or Brian Lara stadia etc.

Most countries invest in Sport, in two ways. Grass Roots / Schools  & Competitive. The difference is they have a Governing body responsible for distribution of the funding based on established criteria. Once this is met, you receive the funding, some may even increase the funding and provide a bonus scheme, if you show success in your programming.

Yes I agree with you they should invest more in education, medical etc. T&T have /had more than enough money to go around, just look at the waste.
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: Football supporter on February 28, 2013, 11:05:37 PM
The govt shouldn't give  a  black cent..Football is not a nationalized industry. There isn't a ministry of Football. Does the govt take money from the TTFF ? Does the govt regulate football ? Personally I feel that the govt should do better things with money ..like improve conditions at the nation's hospitals and clinics..or pay more Cuban and nigerian doctors than throw money at a football trophy.

So the Government should not invest in any Sport? Abandon the Ministry of Sport! As a matter of fact why not get rid of the Arts as well!

Look the only reason they not investing is that they cannot skim off the top, dollars too small. Its not the Airport, Highway or Brian Lara stadia etc.

Most countries invest in Sport, in two ways. Grass Roots / Schools  & Competitive. The difference is they have a Governing body responsible for distribution of the funding based on established criteria. Once this is met, you receive the funding, some may even increase the funding and provide a bonus scheme, if you show success in your programming.

Yes I agree with you they should invest more in education, medical etc. T&T have /had more than enough money to go around, just look at the waste.

You saw that report that was produced after the oil boom? I can't remember the exact figures (it was maybe $60 billion in revenue) but apparently two thirds of the money was either wasted or stolen! We have the biggest ever budget allocation, yet it still takes up to two weeks to receive a letter via post. I actually saw a letter from a lawyer that had to be replied to within two weeks of the date on the letterhead. The letter had to be signed for when it was received......17 days after it was posted! 17 days from Port of Spain to Couva!!
100 years ago you could send a letter from London and it would be received in Glasgow the next day! The only reason is poor organisation, lack of investment and not understanding how internal communications make business more efficient! Sorry, gone a little off thread there!
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: vb on February 28, 2013, 11:26:59 PM
The govt. should invest in football and has just as they have in boxing.

However, they probably holding strain due to the obvious incompetence and mismanagement of funds.

However, what is sad is that the TTFF will probably take the gate and give none to the teams that were responsible for it in the first place.

VB
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: Deeks on March 01, 2013, 12:31:09 AM
The govt shouldn't give  a  black cent..Football is not a nationalized industry. There isn't a ministry of Football. Does the govt take money from the TTFF ? Does the govt regulate football ? Personally I feel that the govt should do better things with money ..like improve conditions at the nation's hospitals and clinics..or pay more Cuban and nigerian doctors than throw money at a football trophy.

coache,
           I don't understand you at all. Whey your head is man? You doing like TT is England and US where all these big corporation does run to sponsor football and sports . With an exception of a few all the others are waggonists. When football winning  all ah them dey. But when time come to do the naturing, they eh dey at all.

You does talk all this high and mighty plans like if people will come and volunteer for free. It eh happening again. Dem days done.  Like you don't understand the mentality of them TT business of today or what. In the 60s and 70s was different. Carib, ECM, Clico, ASL, etc. We don't have them kind of benefactors again. Nobody in the right mind expecting the gov't to bankroll the football. If the business community had stepped forward, the teams would not come calling to gov't. They just asking for some basic assistance. I know Sancho team will not get gov't money. We all know why. Maybe some outside benefactor will be their best bet. If an institution like Jabloteh can fold because of lack of resources, you know things real bad.
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: King Deese on March 01, 2013, 02:30:20 AM
The govt shouldn't give  a  black cent..Football is not a nationalized industry. There isn't a ministry of Football. Does the govt take money from the TTFF ? Does the govt regulate football ? Personally I feel that the govt should do better things with money ..like improve conditions at the nation's hospitals and clinics..or pay more Cuban and nigerian doctors than throw money at a football trophy.

Maybe not a football trophy, but they should certainly invest in football. It can be a valuable growth industry if they approach it correctly. Think of the millions of dollars per year that could have been generated had the Centre of Excellence been used properly. Many teams would come here for pre season tours. Teams could come and play our boys. Mini tournaments could be held there. Instead it's used to generate income for a private citizen.

But if you really want to stop govt funding football, the only team that will survive will be Central. The Army and Police would disappear, and Connection, North East, St Anns and Caledonia would have serious problems. Then, of course, you can't just stop funding football. You'd stop funding cricket, basketball, swimming, cycling, athletics, boxing etc.

Then you could pay for your Nigerian doctors to remove the bullets from all the kids who join gangs without any other way out of the ghetto.

Why do you think every civilised country pours millions into sport?
F.S., you know what man. I watched Don Garber, the commissioner of MLS Soccer, give a preseason address called the "March to Soccer" on Wednesday night and I listened to how he laid out his plans, his initiatives, his vision and his objectives, and of course he used videos of the fans during the MLS Soccer season to support his speech, and I was amazed at how easy he made that look and sound. Now, mind you, I am oversimplyfying what was said, but this man is responsible for managing a conglomerate that involves billions of dollars invested by various organizations that believe in what he is atttempting to accomplish. They see the huge potential of a new generation of soccer fans that are passionate about the sport in America because of what Garber has been able to accomplish over the years since he has been commissioner of the league. Now, mind you, he did not accomplish all of this by himself. He is supported by a team of very talented people, both men and women. Garber showed the investors the enourmous economic advantages of investing into a sport that has a passionate fan base that is growing like a wildfire. I mean, everyone benefits, including the government, the players, the owners, the investors, and most importantly the people in the community where that team is based. There are job opportunities for many. It may not provide an employment opportunity for all, but it creates employment for some, if not many. It's a boost to the US economy in so many ways that the politicians in that community want to invest in building a brand new stadium like in New York where the NY Cosmos are making a comeback, in Florida, where the USL Pro team, Orlando City Lions, are making plans to join the MLS. I mean, if Dexter Skeene had that kind of ability and vision, who knows where the tt pro league, the owners, the teams, the players, the politicians, and the communities that each team represents would be today. One could only imagine. It's an enourmous opportunity just being wasted.

To be continued..........
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: socalion on March 01, 2013, 09:41:48 AM
coache  !!! is that  your overall view ??  please say it aint so ..... be more ojective  and look beyond your nostrils  coache .. !! why shouldn't there be any funding for football eh mr coache ???? the floor is now yours..
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: kounty on March 01, 2013, 09:47:04 AM
coache I does hardly agree with you, but I with you on this one. Any business that can't find a way to make a profit must fold. I surprised to see Fenwick in this 'Guvahment!!!' talk. Back to the drawing boards football. You cyah shift two chairs and put Tim Kee in front and feel that go make up for all the mismanagement and poor vision for the last umpteen years. You could only afford what you could afford. Build from the ground up. FS while you at it, you care to share a breakdown on how much the government spends on the various sports you mentioned?
More people fighting for the crumbs with all kinda points like they really care about anything but themselves.
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: King Deese on March 01, 2013, 12:06:32 PM
If TTFF and the TT Pro Cemetery were kids, both Oliver Scamps, the father who gave his kid up for adoption, and Dexter Skeene would be arrested for child abuse, child neglect, and child support. What a farce.
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: maxg on March 01, 2013, 12:24:01 PM
coache just really didn't give this some serious thought. :-[
especially when he asking/making these post

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=59099.0

ah mean, unless he was posting for popularity or just chat
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 01, 2013, 05:19:26 PM
T&T National Mens U-17 vs W Connection U-17 anyone know the score ?
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: coache on March 01, 2013, 09:42:56 PM
Socalion et al..if the tournament ...as viewed by the business community and the govt included don't feel that it's worth sponsorship ..then there no sponsorship. Do you really feel that the business community (mostly of  the east indian community ..more interested in cricket) or the govt (mostly of the east indian community..more interested in cricket) care about a struggling sport (mostly played by people of african descent)..the people like the sport are going nowhere fast ?
 As a matter of fact the FA trophy is an age old competition played by amateurs and no prize money was expected. I played in that tournament on many occasions and I never heard any cries for prize money.
The Pro League has to come up with a new way or new system so as to make it profitable for the Pro teams to participate.
One of the things the Pro League and the TTFF can do together is to sue Mr Warner for all the funds which he had pilfered overs the years thus leaving football in the dire state that it's in right now.
 There is no reason why Trinidad Foootball should be dependent on the govt.
Mr Warner was a school teacher who became the head of Trinidad Football. He single handedly  restructured Trinidad Football so that all monies would go directly to him. Tell me ..how could someone become a millionaire by being the head of the TTFA ? Tell me..how could someone become a millionaire by being a FIFA representative ..is the salary millions of dollars per month ?  Mr Warner became a multimillionaire by the sweat of  footballers whether amateur or professional.
Jack Warner made millions and millions and millions...ask him for some money.

Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: reggae-fan on March 02, 2013, 08:33:08 AM
So T&T Government gets the blame for failure of a sporting body to attract sponsorships for its competition? Socialism at work?
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: Bakes on March 02, 2013, 10:00:59 AM
So T&T Government gets the blame for failure of a sporting body to attract sponsorships for its competition? Socialism at work?

Talk about entitlement and dependency.
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: Football supporter on March 02, 2013, 11:29:19 AM
So T&T Government gets the blame for failure of a sporting body to attract sponsorships for its competition? Socialism at work?

To be fair to the Govt, they recently increased the tax breaks on investment in sport up to $3 million p.a.  However, there are very real, non socialist reasons why the Govt should actively support football and encourage sponsorship.
The TT Pro League could be become a viable source of export dollars if a robust and organised developmental programme was in place.
With a decent 10 year program there could be much income generated from transfers. If they could assist with the Pro League, perhaps the league will be televised live by ESPN, Sky etc. They would probably love an exclusive deal for, say, 2 million. If we attract top Caribbean players from St Lucia, Grenada, Barbados etc, the league will be followed there, increasing the TV viewing (Look how Trinis watched Southampton, Sunderland, Ipswich, Swansea)  Then, of course, there are many social benefits in involving youths in positive pastimes like football. Many nations take football seriously and respect the benefits that can come from sport. The U.K. for instance, has an all-party parliamentary football committee.

And how it works is simple...you wanna do business in T&T, then plough some dollars into football. The govt call the shots. I know of a German company that's been here 16 years and has never put a dollar into the community, yet has made huge profits from T&T. We haveb a Brazilian company building the highway...what do they give back? It's all a tax write off, but unless they are "encouraged" they won't bother.
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: dreamer on March 02, 2013, 11:31:45 AM
Good points
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: Bakes on March 02, 2013, 11:51:36 AM
So T&T Government gets the blame for failure of a sporting body to attract sponsorships for its competition? Socialism at work?

To be fair to the Govt, they recently increased the tax breaks on investment in sport up to $3 million p.a.  However, there are very real, non socialist reasons why the Govt should actively support football and encourage sponsorship.
The TT Pro League could be become a viable source of export dollars if a robust and organised developmental programme was in place.
With a decent 10 year program there could be much income generated from transfers. If they could assist with the Pro League, perhaps the league will be televised live by ESPN, Sky etc. They would probably love an exclusive deal for, say, 2 million. If we attract top Caribbean players from St Lucia, Grenada, Barbados etc, the league will be followed there, increasing the TV viewing (Look how Trinis watched Southampton, Sunderland, Ipswich, Swansea)  Then, of course, there are many social benefits in involving youths in positive pastimes like football. Many nations take football seriously and respect the benefits that can come from sport. The U.K. for instance, has an all-party parliamentary football committee.

And how it works is simple...you wanna do business in T&T, then plough some dollars into football. The govt call the shots. I know of a German company that's been here 16 years and has never put a dollar into the community, yet has made huge profits from T&T. We haveb a Brazilian company building the highway...what do they give back? It's all a tax write off, but unless they are "encouraged" they won't bother.

So the government should take sparse public funds and invest it into some speculative venture of "developmental programme" of exporting footballers?  As a business proposal this is sheer madness... particularly when one considers that you are proposing that TnT enter an already mature market where there are already entrenched developmental and supply chains already in place.  We'll essentially be competing with the rest of the world in a race where the rest of the world is already comfortably ahead.  It's a nice fancy idea without legs.

As for forcing foreign investors to "plough some dollars into football"... apparently you have little appreciation for how the free market works.  Government is in a position where it has to make the barriers to investment as minimal as possible, not erect them higher.  We are competing for investments... we don't "call the shots" as you say.  It's like opening a store and telling your customers they have to drop $100 dollars in a bucket near the door for your kids college fund if they intend to come in and shop.  Madness... in a word.
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: coache on March 02, 2013, 04:30:34 PM
The Pro League and the TTFF need to do more groundwork it sounds like..
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: Football supporter on March 02, 2013, 06:04:53 PM
So T&T Government gets the blame for failure of a sporting body to attract sponsorships for its competition? Socialism at work?

To be fair to the Govt, they recently increased the tax breaks on investment in sport up to $3 million p.a.  However, there are very real, non socialist reasons why the Govt should actively support football and encourage sponsorship.
The TT Pro League could be become a viable source of export dollars if a robust and organised developmental programme was in place.
With a decent 10 year program there could be much income generated from transfers. If they could assist with the Pro League, perhaps the league will be televised live by ESPN, Sky etc. They would probably love an exclusive deal for, say, 2 million. If we attract top Caribbean players from St Lucia, Grenada, Barbados etc, the league will be followed there, increasing the TV viewing (Look how Trinis watched Southampton, Sunderland, Ipswich, Swansea)  Then, of course, there are many social benefits in involving youths in positive pastimes like football. Many nations take football seriously and respect the benefits that can come from sport. The U.K. for instance, has an all-party parliamentary football committee.

And how it works is simple...you wanna do business in T&T, then plough some dollars into football. The govt call the shots. I know of a German company that's been here 16 years and has never put a dollar into the community, yet has made huge profits from T&T. We haveb a Brazilian company building the highway...what do they give back? It's all a tax write off, but unless they are "encouraged" they won't bother.

So the government should take sparse public funds and invest it into some speculative venture of "developmental programme" of exporting footballers?  As a business proposal this is sheer madness... particularly when one considers that you are proposing that TnT enter an already mature market where there are already entrenched developmental and supply chains already in place.  We'll essentially be competing with the rest of the world in a race where the rest of the world is already comfortably ahead.  It's a nice fancy idea without legs.

As for forcing foreign investors to "plough some dollars into football"... apparently you have little appreciation for how the free market works.  Government is in a position where it has to make the barriers to investment as minimal as possible, not erect them higher.  We are competing for investments... we don't "call the shots" as you say.  It's like opening a store and telling your customers they have to drop $100 dollars in a bucket near the door for your kids college fund if they intend to come in and shop.  Madness... in a word.

Clearly, you don't appreciate how T&T works. This is a country who "invested" $5 million in a soca artist who had just won $2 million and was also likely to be found guilty of assault. This is a country who's sports minister, hear me, a SPORTS minister invested $10 million to bring Niki Minaj while the supporting local artists got $40,000 between them. This is a country who gave millions to Shaquille O'Neil for a photo op and spent more millions on a speculative basketball competition. This is a country where a man can take a regional football development centre and use it for weddings, events etc for his own pocket and nobody gives a sh*t. Are you really saying that all of these things are more worthwhile than developing a proper football industry that can bring rewards for decades?

Clearly, you don't appreciate how T&T works. This is a country where a certain government agency will gladly sponsor anything you want, provided that you give back 15% of the grant in a brown envelope. This is a country where a contractor can win a contract, not on price or performance, but by offering something behind the scenes. This is a country where the sports minister can give money to teams, not based on performance, accountability or transparency, but whether he likes the people running the team. Are you really naive enough to believe in free enterprise in sweet T&T? Christ, we had a flying squad for 6 months that nobody appears to know about yet it was govt funded.
Do you really believe that these same kickbacks could not be used to develop and support football?

As for competing in the transfer market being a "fancy idea" it seems you are willing to settle for our best players moving to some place ending in "stan" or the Finnish 3rd division. I happen to know there are many Pro League players who have the ability to play in much better leagues. This crap about a mature market and supply chains is just that...crap. If a club can buy player A from the Caribbean at half the cost of player B from Croatia, they will do so. Eastern European and African players are cheap, but their agents aren't. Our players are so  inexpensive that the Vietnamese can afford them.

A League 2 player in England earns TT$20,000 per month. That's 5 times more than an average player in the Pro League. A decent League 1 player may cost 250,000. I'd be happy to pick up $2.5 million for one of Centrals' players ....that's our entire years budget right there. And with a 10% sell on clause another Kenwyne Jones would bring in TT$8 million.

The only problem with shipping players overseas is their attitude and professionalism, which is why we need to develop them from age 14 or 15.
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: Bakes on March 02, 2013, 07:53:34 PM
Clearly, you don't appreciate how T&T works. This is a country who "invested" $5 million in a soca artist who had just won $2 million and was also likely to be found guilty of assault. This is a country who's sports minister, hear me, a SPORTS minister invested $10 million to bring Niki Minaj while the supporting local artists got $40,000 between them. This is a country who gave millions to Shaquille O'Neil for a photo op and spent more millions on a speculative basketball competition. This is a country where a man can take a regional football development centre and use it for weddings, events etc for his own pocket and nobody gives a sh*t. Are you really saying that all of these things are more worthwhile than developing a proper football industry that can bring rewards for decades?

Clearly, you don't appreciate how T&T works. This is a country where a certain government agency will gladly sponsor anything you want, provided that you give back 15% of the grant in a brown envelope. This is a country where a contractor can win a contract, not on price or performance, but by offering something behind the scenes. This is a country where the sports minister can give money to teams, not based on performance, accountability or transparency, but whether he likes the people running the team. Are you really naive enough to believe in free enterprise in sweet T&T? Christ, we had a flying squad for 6 months that nobody appears to know about yet it was govt funded.
Do you really believe that these same kickbacks could not be used to develop and support football?

Comprehension clearly isn't your strong suit, so let me break it down for you. You are highlighting examples of corruption, you are not making a case as to why government should be investing in local football.  You just f**king land in Trinidad and yuh feel you know the mores and the lay of the land better than me who born and raise there?  Are you so foolish as to conflate what ought to be proper government action with the corruption of THIS PP administration?  Are you so dense as to NOT recognize that Machel Montano and Nikki f**king Minaj are infinitely more popular than football or any footballers in TnT?  Are you so blind as to realize that this government will waste money behind ANY potential PR measure, such as making Machel an "ambassador" and trying to curry favor with the youth by latching onto the Nikki Minaj brand?  What the f**k can investing in football do for these demagogues?  Please make some kinda blasted sense.

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As for competing in the transfer market being a "fancy idea" it seems you are willing to settle for our best players moving to some place ending in "stan" or the Finnish 3rd division. I happen to know there are many Pro League players who have the ability to play in much better leagues.

Right... because you's this great assessor of talent.  You know some secret that foreign evaluators don't know.  You see hidden gems where they only see mediocre talent.  What is your football background again... that anybody should be willing to take your assessment of these players talents seriously?  Oh... I thought so.  Bout you happen to know... GTFOH

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This crap about a mature market and supply chains is just that...crap. If a club can buy player A from the Caribbean at half the cost of player B from Croatia, they will do so. Eastern European and African players are cheap, but their agents aren't. Our players are so  inexpensive that the Vietnamese can afford them.

Of course if a club can buy a talented player for cheap they will buy that player over an equally talented but more expensive player.  But that isn't the point... is it?  How much money is that other player costing taxpayers in his homeland?  What happens if that Croatian player is as cheap as or cheaper than the PFL player?  Given that the Croatian player likely would have already proven himself against better competition who do you think the club would buy?  And what then of investment of public funds in the PFL player?  The Vietnamese can afford our players because there isn't great demand for their services.  What so hard to understand about that?  All these great players you identified in the PFL, how come they eh even self playing in Vietnam?

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A League 2 player in England earns TT$20,000 per month. That's 5 times more than an average player in the Pro League. A decent League 1 player may cost 250,000. I'd be happy to pick up $2.5 million for one of Centrals' players ....that's our entire years budget right there. And with a 10% sell on clause another Kenwyne Jones would bring in TT$8 million.

The only problem with shipping players overseas is their attitude and professionalism, which is why we need to develop them from age 14 or 15.

I have no idea why you mentioning what a League 2 or League One player making unless it is your contention that the current PFL crop have players who easily could play overseas.  I also want to know how you getting around the work permit requirement for these PFL superstars who better than League 1 and 2 talent in England.  If anything maybe the Min. of Sport should look into underwriting the cost of bringing over the foreign coaches and scouts to showcase the talent that already here... no different from subsidizing the costs of hosting economic/investment symposiums and conferences.  But the current model of government in TnT is one premised on the English model and even the frigging English are themselves moving away from that model.  Yet we talking about throwing money at sports and people can't get a hospital bed to sleep in when sick.
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: Football supporter on March 02, 2013, 09:45:13 PM
Clearly, you don't appreciate how T&T works. This is a country who "invested" $5 million in a soca artist who had just won $2 million and was also likely to be found guilty of assault. This is a country who's sports minister, hear me, a SPORTS minister invested $10 million to bring Niki Minaj while the supporting local artists got $40,000 between them. This is a country who gave millions to Shaquille O'Neil for a photo op and spent more millions on a speculative basketball competition. This is a country where a man can take a regional football development centre and use it for weddings, events etc for his own pocket and nobody gives a sh*t. Are you really saying that all of these things are more worthwhile than developing a proper football industry that can bring rewards for decades?

Clearly, you don't appreciate how T&T works. This is a country where a certain government agency will gladly sponsor anything you want, provided that you give back 15% of the grant in a brown envelope. This is a country where a contractor can win a contract, not on price or performance, but by offering something behind the scenes. This is a country where the sports minister can give money to teams, not based on performance, accountability or transparency, but whether he likes the people running the team. Are you really naive enough to believe in free enterprise in sweet T&T? Christ, we had a flying squad for 6 months that nobody appears to know about yet it was govt funded.
Do you really believe that these same kickbacks could not be used to develop and support football?

Comprehension clearly isn't your strong suit, so let me break it down for you. You are highlighting examples of corruption, you are not making a case as to why government should be investing in local football.  You just f**king land in Trinidad and yuh feel you know the mores and the lay of the land better than me who born and raise there?  Are you so foolish as to conflate what ought to be proper government action with the corruption of THIS PP administration?  Are you so dense as to NOT recognize that Machel Montano and Nikki f**king Minaj are infinitely more popular than football or any footballers in TnT?  Are you so blind as to realize that this government will waste money behind ANY potential PR measure, such as making Machel an "ambassador" and trying to curry favor with the youth by latching onto the Nikki Minaj brand?  What the f**k can investing in football do for these demagogues?  Please make some kinda blasted sense.

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As for competing in the transfer market being a "fancy idea" it seems you are willing to settle for our best players moving to some place ending in "stan" or the Finnish 3rd division. I happen to know there are many Pro League players who have the ability to play in much better leagues.

Right... because you's this great assessor of talent.  You know some secret that foreign evaluators don't know.  You see hidden gems where they only see mediocre talent.  What is your football background again... that anybody should be willing to take your assessment of these players talents seriously?  Oh... I thought so.  Bout you happen to know... GTFOH

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This crap about a mature market and supply chains is just that...crap. If a club can buy player A from the Caribbean at half the cost of player B from Croatia, they will do so. Eastern European and African players are cheap, but their agents aren't. Our players are so  inexpensive that the Vietnamese can afford them.

Of course if a club can buy a talented player for cheap they will buy that player over an equally talented but more expensive player.  But that isn't the point... is it?  How much money is that other player costing taxpayers in his homeland?  What happens if that Croatian player is as cheap as or cheaper than the PFL player?  Given that the Croatian player likely would have already proven himself against better competition who do you think the club would buy?  And what then of investment of public funds in the PFL player?  The Vietnamese can afford our players because there isn't great demand for their services.  What so hard to understand about that?  All these great players you identified in the PFL, how come they eh even self playing in Vietnam?

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A League 2 player in England earns TT$20,000 per month. That's 5 times more than an average player in the Pro League. A decent League 1 player may cost 250,000. I'd be happy to pick up $2.5 million for one of Centrals' players ....that's our entire years budget right there. And with a 10% sell on clause another Kenwyne Jones would bring in TT$8 million.

The only problem with shipping players overseas is their attitude and professionalism, which is why we need to develop them from age 14 or 15.

I have no idea why you mentioning what a League 2 or League One player making unless it is your contention that the current PFL crop have players who easily could play overseas.  I also want to know how you getting around the work permit requirement for these PFL superstars who better than League 1 and 2 talent in England.  If anything maybe the Min. of Sport should look into underwriting the cost of bringing over the foreign coaches and scouts to showcase the talent that already here... no different from subsidizing the costs of hosting economic/investment symposiums and conferences.  But the current model of government in TnT is one premised on the English model and even the frigging English are themselves moving away from that model.  Yet we talking about throwing money at sports and people can't get a hospital bed to sleep in when sick.

Bakes don't spit out yuh Crix hoss. I knew this would wind you up like a clockwork soldier. "You just f**king land in Trinidad and yuh feel you know the mores and the lay of the land better than me who born and raise there?"
You like to tell everybody how you know their business better than them, but look how easy it is to get you to bite  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: Bakes on March 03, 2013, 12:04:35 AM
Bakes don't spit out yuh Crix hoss. I knew this would wind you up like a clockwork soldier. "You just f**king land in Trinidad and yuh feel you know the mores and the lay of the land better than me who born and raise there?"
You like to tell everybody how you know their business better than them, but look how easy it is to get you to bite :rotfl:

Oh really... who have I said this to, you have proof of this?  Or just talking out your ass as usual?  Carrying on like you's some kinda football talent evaluator, get called on it and now yuh was just trying to wind me up.  Get the f**k outta here.
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: trini_stallion on March 03, 2013, 07:11:39 AM
Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)


Pro League rookie club Central FC will aim to collect the first trophy in its brief history tomorrow night when the Couva Sharks face Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA from 8 pm in the TTFF FA Trophy final at the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva.

But, if it was up to Central coach and ex-England World Cup player Terry Fenwick, Central and Caledonia would both find something more worthwhile to do with their Friday night.

Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) president Raymond Tim Kee was unable to secure any sponsorship for the competition and participating clubs lose money for every round in transport, meals and miscellaneous fees as well as physical wear and tear.

There is no money for the FA (winners), said Tim Kee, in a previous interview just the conventional medals and trophies. The football has no money now. Every time a little money comes in, it is a matter of filling holes

You cant get blood out of stone.

But Fenwick, a former FA Trophy winner and Pro League Coach of the Year with San Juan Jabloteh, described the situation as a joke, particularly in light of the Trinidad and Tobago governments supposed war on crime.

I think it is ridiculous that the TTFF and the government are not prepared to back the FA Cup financially, said Fenwick. They keep on going on about crime and whatever else but you have the kids from the block working hard and trying to better themselves and make a career outside of crime and you are not backing them. It is a social injustice.

How has the Hoops of Life benefitted anybody? (Former United States basketball star) Shaquille O Neal came and took his money and was gone while the kids here are still struggling for an honest dollar.

Read More (http://www.wired868.com/2013/02/28/fenwick-slams-ttffgovt-for-penniless-fa-finals/)



And this is why my friend Fenwick will never get ah bligh at  the national team...he eh getting on he knees for nobody!
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: Football supporter on March 03, 2013, 09:13:26 AM
Bakes don't spit out yuh Crix hoss. I knew this would wind you up like a clockwork soldier. "You just f**king land in Trinidad and yuh feel you know the mores and the lay of the land better than me who born and raise there?"
You like to tell everybody how you know their business better than them, but look how easy it is to get you to bite :rotfl:

Oh really... who have I said this to, you have proof of this?  Or just talking out your ass as usual?  Carrying on like you's some kinda football talent evaluator, get called on it and now yuh was just trying to wind me up.  Get the f**k outta here.

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:  :joker:
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: reggae-fan on March 03, 2013, 02:29:49 PM
... If they could assist with the Pro League, perhaps the league will be televised live by ESPN, Sky etc. They would probably love an exclusive deal for, say, 2 million. If we attract top Caribbean players from St Lucia, Grenada, Barbados etc ....

Brother, this type of thinking is a lil' nave if you ask me. Sky sports showing T&T league games? ESPN? The best you can hope for from any mainstream media entity is a 30 minute highlight show....not sure how that would benefit the Government in the long run. The strategy of developing players solely for the purpose of earning foreign exchange is also not sustainable from a Government standpoint...likely these players will end up moving abroad for small fees. For instance, how much did Kenwyn Jones local club get when Jones moved to England? Remember these players go abroad relatively unknown, so they wont be able to command 1M pound fees upfront.
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: Football supporter on March 03, 2013, 08:13:12 PM
... If they could assist with the Pro League, perhaps the league will be televised live by ESPN, Sky etc. They would probably love an exclusive deal for, say, 2 million. If we attract top Caribbean players from St Lucia, Grenada, Barbados etc ....

Brother, this type of thinking is a lil' nave if you ask me. Sky sports showing T&T league games? ESPN? The best you can hope for from any mainstream media entity is a 30 minute highlight show....not sure how that would benefit the Government in the long run. The strategy of developing players solely for the purpose of earning foreign exchange is also not sustainable from a Government standpoint...likely these players will end up moving abroad for small fees. For instance, how much did Kenwyn Jones local club get when Jones moved to England? Remember these players go abroad relatively unknown, so they wont be able to command 1M pound fees upfront.

Fair points. However, stations like SKY are looking for new markets and low cost product. There are 800,000 people of Caribbean descent in the UK alone. Add to that the millions in USA, Canada etc and there may be some interest. If SKY offered 5,000 per match, there should be plenty of advertisers who could cover that cost. Virgin, B.A. and CAL would be 3 obvious choices. Then there's companies like B.P. who may use the opportunity of some CSR airtime. I haven't researched this area, so I'm only making suggestions.

Regarding the likes of Kenwyne, W.Conn probably only got maybe 50k - 100k from Southampton. But the sell on clause of between 10-15% is the money deal. That's my point. We can afford to let players move for free so that they can be polished and put in the shop window. It's the sell on clause that brings home the bacon.

Regarding the govt, maybe it is naive, but if they can invest millions in Hoops of Life, why not investigate the benefits of football?
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: asylumseeker on March 03, 2013, 09:33:10 PM
... and I hope there is a sell-on clause routinely.
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: fishs on March 04, 2013, 01:24:57 AM

 What the Pro league should do is set aside 10 per cent of the gate receipts from the whole FA Cup season and use that for prize money.

 It will be a wake up call for everybody concerned if the money ends up being 10 dollars or a million.
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: Football supporter on March 04, 2013, 06:45:46 AM

 What the Pro league should do is set aside 10 per cent of the gate receipts from the whole FA Cup season and use that for prize money.

 It will be a wake up call for everybody concerned if the money ends up being 10 dollars or a million.

Pro League gets no money from gate receipts. The competition is run by the TTFF. The only game I saw money taken at the gate was at the semi final and final. The whole competition was poorly run.
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: ZANDOLIE on March 04, 2013, 10:02:21 AM
T&T National Mens U-17 vs W Connection U-17 anyone know the score ?

nobody cares about that, we talk big about 'yute' development but really don't give ah flying fack. tell them real madrid u17 vs bilbao u-17, you might get some answers
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: ZANDOLIE on March 04, 2013, 10:24:35 AM

 What the Pro league should do is set aside 10 per cent of the gate receipts from the whole FA Cup season and use that for prize money.

 It will be a wake up call for everybody concerned if the money ends up being 10 dollars or a million.

Pro League gets no money from gate receipts. The competition is run by the TTFF. The only game I saw money taken at the gate was at the semi final and final. The whole competition was poorly run.

steups. this latest iteration of the professional league was the grand vision of one austin jack warner, among others. perhaps it should be put to rest and completely rebirthed in a year or two. despite the herculean efforts of a dedicated few, the PFL brass continues to steadfastly REFUSE to take initiatives to foster long-term organic growth. The government should not be handing out money willy-nilly to an organization that carries on year in year out with the same old failed ideas, the same unrealized 'plans' and the same tired old out-of-ideas gang.
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: ZANDOLIE on March 04, 2013, 10:54:04 AM
this whole tired bit about funding football to 'help' de yutes' is for the most part about as tangible as holding onto a giant fart and painting it green. exactly by how much does every government dollar spent on the pro-league reduce downstream cost of crime and social malaise? and how does that particular figure compare to cost reductions by education spending, and initiatives by say...the Ministry of Social Services....on refurbishing or building new community centers, parenting classes, arts and crafts training, technical skills training, anti-drug awareness programs etc.

 The idea is simple...press for money by complaining 'de guvahment' do not care about football. Warner used to use that trick all the time, and it is pretty certain that  some of that OUR money was diverted from football into bankrolling the PP.  With all due respect to the people really trying to make things happen, the administrators in our clubs accross the nation are the ones upon whose shoulders the primary responsibility lies for making football a viable industry. They already had their chance to make a difference and they failed miserably
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: trini_stallion on March 04, 2013, 04:45:46 PM
this whole tired bit about funding football to 'help' de yutes' is for the most part about as tangible as holding onto a giant fart and painting it green. exactly by how much does every government dollar spent on the pro-league reduce downstream cost of crime and social malaise? and how does that particular figure compare to cost reductions by education spending, and initiatives by say...the Ministry of Social Services....on refurbishing or building new community centers, parenting classes, arts and crafts training, technical skills training, anti-drug awareness programs etc.

 The idea is simple...press for money by complaining 'de guvahment' do not care about football. Warner used to use that trick all the time, and it is pretty certain that  some of that OUR money was diverted from football into bankrolling the PP.  With all due respect to the people really trying to make things happen, the administrators in our clubs accross the nation are the ones upon whose shoulders the primary responsibility lies for making football a viable industry. They already had their chance to make a difference and they failed miserably

I'm not a PP supporter anymore, but they failed under the PNM regime, back in 2006 forward...I fault the PP for not doing anything about it!
Title: Re: Fenwick slams TTFF/ Govt for penniless FA competition
Post by: coache on March 08, 2013, 04:42:38 PM
Disappointment..something we have grown accustomed to as a people. That's why it's easy for leadership to disappoint ..they know that the people wouldn't expect any different.
Title: Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
Post by: Flex on October 23, 2013, 02:18:04 AM
Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
By STEPHON NICHOLAS (NEWSDAY).


CENTRAL FC coach, Terry Fenwick, is adamant that three of his more senior players can make a positive impact on the national team.

Speaking with Newsday yesterday, Fenwick identified his club captain Jason Marcano, 38-year-old midfielder Marvin Oliver and goalkeeper Jan-Michael Williams as having roles to play to help in the resurgence of the Soca Warriors.

Williams got the gloves in Trinidad and Tobagos last international friendly against new Zealand on October 15, but Marcano has fallen out of favour while Oliver has been in the wilderness.

The Central FC coach was speaking just a few days after his team defeated Defence Force 2-1 to win the First Citizens Cup in a keenly contested final at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo.

In a game where Central FC had to come from a goal down, Williams was in sensational form in goal to keep the charging Army at bay. Oliver, wearing the captain arm-band instead of the suspended Marcano, helped Central settle into the game in his usual languid, but skilful style of play.

I am a big believer that Marvin would have a positive impact on the national team even if not for 90 minutes. He has the ability to calm a game and slow the tempo if needed, the former England defender explained.

Jan-Michael has been outstanding for us and the national team. Marcano to me has been one of the most unlucky players in Trinidad. Hes been playing very well for quite some time and doesnt get the recognition he deserves. (Kenwyne) Jones needs service (in the national team) in terms of crosses into the box and that is what Marcano can provide, he continued.

Commenting on the First Citizens final and the tactics employed, the Central FC coach elaborated on the changes he had to make after his team went down 1-0 after ten minutes.

I thought for 30 minutes they (Defence Force) dominated and could have scored two or three. We have a lot of young guys and they seemed a bit overawed by the occasion. We changed tactics and then began to find our feet...We started 3-5-2, but reverted to a 4-5-1 (defensive)/4-3-3 (attacking) that stopped the supply of balls to their attackers. It simplified the game for us and gave the team time to settle, he explained.

The sometime fiery coach acknowledged that Central FC, in just their second season in the top flight, are keen to play in the prestigious CONCACAF Champions league but they arent looking too far ahead just yet.

We need to keep focus one step at a time. We have a lot of youngsters and we want to keep their feet firmly on the ground. I ensure there arent any sweat in our sessions and we always have a theme so there is always something to be learnt, he concluded.

Title: Re: Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
Post by: Sam on October 23, 2013, 05:49:49 AM
Marcano is a decent player but his decision making is sometimes poor, he does run without sense sometimes.

Oliver is to slow for international football, like Theobald. Besides, we cant waste precious caps on a 38 old player.

Title: Re: Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
Post by: Coop's on October 23, 2013, 09:17:28 AM
Marcano is a decent player but his decision making is sometimes poor, he does run without sense sometimes.

Oliver is to slow for international football, like Theobald. Besides, we cant waste precious caps on a 38 old player.


     I agree with you on Oliver but is years now that boy should of been on our national team,i am glad Fenwick mention it but it's too late now.they found all kind of stupid excuses not play him when he was the best midfielder in the country,he even won a car for being voted Pro league player of the year. I would simple say his hair style kept him back (discrimination at best).
Title: Re: Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
Post by: dreamer on October 23, 2013, 09:26:48 AM
Agreed that he has been a great underappreciated unsung hero locally who might have missed or been denied a chance.  Too late for Oliver now. Too slow for the ferocious pace required of international ball. Nowadays every midfielder has to be very fit and track back faster than road runner. Could be easily used on the early Caribbean qualifiers if we cyah get the hylands and boucauds etc. Mind you them Caribbean qualifiers is serious business and we hah to bring out the full weaponry for dem hustlers in Grenada, Bermuda, Vincy and all ah dem.
Title: Re: Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
Post by: Tiresais on October 23, 2013, 09:42:36 AM
Sadly I think that when Hart picks between these two and youngsters about to break on the scene that he'd pick the latter - thinking of 2018 Qualifications (which will make or break his job)
Title: Re: Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
Post by: Sam on October 23, 2013, 09:50:59 AM
Good talk coops.

Cant understand why Oliver wasn't on T&T team a long time ago, now its to late for him to make any impact on that level.

I dont think its because of his hairstyle, because Sancho was there, but who knows.

Title: Re: Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
Post by: Football supporter on October 23, 2013, 10:33:28 AM
Good talk coops.

Cant understand why Oliver wasn't on T&T team a long time ago, now its to late for him to make any impact on that level.

I dont think its because of his hairstyle, because Sancho was there, but who knows.



Marvin was capped once for T&T.
Sometimes it's just bad luck. When Oliver played outside the National coach maybe couldn't afford to bring him back and chose a local? When he played in T&T, maybe the Coach preferred an overseas player like Birchall? It happens.
Steve Bruce won everything as Captain of Man U, but was never capped. Players like (I'm guessing here as I don't remember exactly) Tony Adams, Palister, Martin Keown were selected ahead of Bruce, which is fair enough, but there were also a lot of rubbish centre backs chosen ahead of him.
I'm sure if we saw who was chosen in front of Oliver over the last 20 years, we'd be aghast at some of the names!!
Title: Re: Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
Post by: dreamer on October 23, 2013, 10:37:40 AM
Btw, if Fenwick wants to see crosses landing on Jones forehead then bring back Baptiste to do that and more. The real deal. Hart take note .... unless something is wrong with him healthwise that we need to know.
Title: Re: Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
Post by: jai john on October 24, 2013, 10:44:51 AM
I just hope we leave Fenwick where he is and far from the national team coach. Oliver ?? 38 years old as we speak ? he could not find a more interesting and sensible comment than that ?
Like he still trying to decide if to tackle Maradona ...when de man done gone !
Title: Re: Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
Post by: Tiresais on October 24, 2013, 10:52:08 AM
The man has to back his players - he could possibly be vocalising concerns he's seeing or hearing from his own players. Suffice to say they are good players, but probably too late for the national team :(
Title: Re: Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
Post by: davidephraim on October 24, 2013, 10:56:06 AM
Ode to Marvellous Marvin! Un-sung for sure and to me, as smooth as the likes of Hardest and Dawrika! As for flicks and tricks; might even be superior! IMO

Oh and as Jai say, Terry goin Mad but ah like him still.  Is Ballz he does beat dem with!
Title: Re: Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
Post by: Controversial on October 24, 2013, 12:38:56 PM
marvin too old... i cant remember the last time i see marcano kick a football, so i can't judge as to whether he should be on the national team, that is a decision steve should make
Title: Re: Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
Post by: Coach on October 24, 2013, 12:49:06 PM
Lard! Man was suggesting Fenwick to be the National team coach and this man talking about a 38 year old player when we building for 2018. Thanks TTFF for making a good decision in selecting Hart to coach the National team!

I only hope we can come up with the $ that will assist in building a proper national program, because qualifying for 2018 is no easy task.
Title: Re: Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
Post by: Bakes on October 24, 2013, 03:53:58 PM
Lard! Man was suggesting Fenwick to be the National team coach and this man talking about a 38 year old player when we building for 2018. Thanks TTFF for making a good decision in selecting Hart to coach the National team!

I only hope we can come up with the $ that will assist in building a proper national program, because qualifying for 2018 is no easy task.

His comments are by no means an indictment of his ability to coach a national team.
Title: Re: Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
Post by: Coach on October 24, 2013, 05:37:16 PM
Lard! Man was suggesting Fenwick to be the National team coach and this man talking about a 38 year old player when we building for 2018. Thanks TTFF for making a good decision in selecting Hart to coach the National team!

I only hope we can come up with the $ that will assist in building a proper national program, because qualifying for 2018 is no easy task.

His comments are by no means an indictment of his ability to coach a national team.
Oh yeah...do you know the coach pick his players, so how will a 38 year old that can hardly keep up at the international level help him as a coach.
Title: Re: Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
Post by: Bakes on October 24, 2013, 06:32:44 PM
Oh yeah...do you know the coach pick his players, so how will a 38 year old that can hardly keep up at the international level help him as a coach.

Your first assumption is that Fenwick would pick, let alone field Marvin Oliver in a competitive international game.
Title: Re: Fenwick: Marcano, Oliver can help Warriors.
Post by: dreamer on October 24, 2013, 07:45:50 PM
Top Pro League goalscorers and goals:

1. Kerry Baptiste ................... 5
2. Rundell Winchester .............. 4
3. Kurt Frederick ..................... 3
4. Rennie Britto ....................... 3
5. Clevon McFee ...................... 3
Title: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: SWF Reporter on May 14, 2014, 08:27:11 PM
Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)


Just hours after Central FC booked its place in the 2015 CONCACAF Champions League qualifying phase, the Digicel Pro League club is set to reveal that its head coach, Terry Fenwick, will not take the Couva Sharks into the regional competition.

Instead, the 54-year-old Fenwick revealed today that he has agreed terms with Belgium lower division club, CS Vis, and should be unveiled by the European team next week.

It is a three year deal, Fenwick told Wired868. The bones of it have been thrashed out basically but we put pen to paper by this weekend. Then, I go over there to meet the press first thing next week.

His sudden departure ends a whirlwind 16-month spell at Central where he took the Sharks from the bottom half of the table to second place and title contenders. During that time, Central lifted the 2013 First Citizens Cup and 2014 Lucozade Sport Goal Shield and was twice a beaten finalist in the TTFA FA Trophy competition.

Central managing director Brent Sancho confirmed that Fenwick will remain in charge for Fridays Digicel Pro Bowl semi-final against bitter Couva rival, DIRECTV W Connection, at the Ato Boldon Stadium. He has vowed to temporarily return from Belgium too if the Sharks advance to the Pro Bowl final.

Sancho, who once played under Fenwick at San Juan Jabloteh, said Central was sad to see him go but was thrilled with the work he did there.

Terry has done a terrific job for us, Sancho told Wired868. He is definitely part of the Central FC family and we wish him all the best on his future endeavours We had a long chat today and have already talked about how he can assist us in the future.

The two parties confirmed that they are open to moving players from Central to Vis while Fenwick insisted the door was open to talent from other local teams as well. At present, Trinidad and Tobago already has two internationals in the Belgium top flight, Khaleem Hyland and Sheldon Bateau, and both played under the Englishman at Jabloteh.

Fenwick suggested that his knowledge of Hyland and Bateaus characteristics allows him to gauge the quality necessary for success in Belgium.

It is a possible shop window and I would want to forge as many relationships with Trinidad and Tobago teams as possible, said Fenwick. I know the players too well here and sometimes their confidence and character can be brittle. Sometimes the change of climate and culture can seriously affect their ability to perform when they travel.

But, with me there, now they know what to expect on the other end.

The Vis website has already revealed Fenwicks impending arrival while the club is also set to announce its new owners next week.

As a player, Fenwick represented England at the 1986 World Cup and captained Tottenham and Crystal Palace. His record as a manager in Europe is mixed, though.

He spent three seasons at then Division One club, Portsmouth, between 1995 and 1998 and, in his second full season, came within one place of a play-off spot for the Premier League. However, Fenwick was sacked the following season with Pompey at the bottom of Division One and the fans in revolt.

His second stint came at Northampton in 2003 and the club got a new owner, David Cardoza, within two weeks of Fenwicks arrival. The coach lasted just six weeks and seven winless games in total before he became the second of four sackings by the club in a tumultuous 10-month spell.

I had a terrible period (at Northampton), said Fenwick. There was a transfer embargo when I got there and certain things were not made clear to me about the job beforehand. Then, within two weeks of me taking over, the club changed hands and the Cardozas took over.

There is some uncertainty at Vis too. The club finished bottom of the First Division this season and is due to be relegated. But there is the possibility that the promoted teams would not meet the financial requirements necessary to take his new employers place.

Regardless, Fenwick is happy with his job description and excited by the new challenge.

It is a club with wonderful facilities and ambitious owners who want to be a development club that sends players on to the big leagues, he said. And I have a good history of developing players in Trinidad

They have been bottom of the league and well adrift for quite some time; so I am looking to bring pride and passion back to their set-up.

Fenwick, who married CTV corporate lawyer and Trinidadian Reyna Fenwick ne Kowlessar in January 2014, vowed to return to Trinidad to retire eventually. He credited his work at Jabloteh, where he won three league titles, for lifting the standard of professionalism in the local game and helping to develop dozens of players for international service.

Five of the Soca Warriors who played in Trinidad and Tobagos World Cup debut against Sweden in 2006Aurtis Whitley, Cornell Glen, Cyd Gray, Brent Sancho and Collin Samuelrepresented Jabloteh under Fenwick.

The combative Englishman often courted controversy in Trinidad too with his criticism of referees, local administrators and rival teams; as well as his infamous altercation with former Connection playmaker Gefferson Goulart. Fenwick was suspended for flattening the Brazilian with a forearm while Goulart was also sanctioned for celebrating in the formers technical area.

Fenwick admitted that his biggest regret was to have never coached the Trinidad and Tobago national team.

I would have loved to have had a crack at the national job here, he said, and whether it is politics or whatever that was never afforded to me. Im really disappointed about that.

Sancho referred to Fenwick as a true patriot and suggested that his new posting might be a blessing in disguise for local football.

He is a true patriot to our country and has gotten a terrific opportunity that will benefit our league, said Sancho. We have some tremendous boots to fill but no one is bigger than the club and the club has to move on.

Central has started drawing up a shortlist for a new coach and hopes to get someone able to help the club grow as an organisation as well as on the field. He mentioned only one possible replacement.

Stuart Charles, said Sancho, with a laugh.

The mischievous reference to the Connection coach suggests that the spiky rivalry between the two Couva clubs is unlikely to cool anytime soon.


Editors Note:

Digicel Pro Bowl semi-final fixtures on Friday 16 May 2014: Defence Force vs Police, 6 pm, Ato Boldon Stadium; W Connection vs Central FC, 8 pm, Ato Boldon Stadium.

A list of the nine Pro League head coaches and their prior roles with the Trinidad and Tobago national football team:

W Connection: Stuart Charles-Fevrier is a former senior team head coach

Defence Force: Ross Russell is a national youth team coach

Point Fortin Civic: Reynold Carrington is a former national youth team coach

North East Stars: Angus Eve is a former national youth team head coach

Caledonia AIA: Jamaal Shabazz is a former national senior team head coach

St Anns Rangers: Anthony Streete is a former national senior team coach

Police: Richard Hood is a former national womens youth team coach

San Juan Jabloteh: Kevin Jeffrey never coached a national team

Central FC: Terry Fenwick never coached a national team


Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: asylumseeker on May 14, 2014, 08:49:02 PM
I thought this day would come after the Champions League. It would have been interesting to see what a Fenwick-coached national team would have amounted to ... Best of success to him. Brought a lot to the local game. Unquestionably.

Choose wisely Sancho ... yuh hadda sustain ah level.
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: maxg on May 14, 2014, 08:59:09 PM
http://www.cs-vise.be/editorial/article.php3?id_article=12

as one door closes, another opens...we have 2 contacts in coaches now

even if that division real low, and they come last..
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on May 14, 2014, 09:35:14 PM
How about Brian Haynes. Central like bringing players from overseas back, how bout a coach. Haynes won the NASL Coach of the year in 2013.
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: elan on May 14, 2014, 09:48:15 PM
Where to send resumes?
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Football supporter on May 14, 2014, 09:58:02 PM
http://www.cs-vise.be/editorial/article.php3?id_article=12

as one door closes, another opens...we have 2 contacts in coaches now

even if that division real low, and they come last..

I imagine that Terry will sign some decent players (hopefully, Trinis!) and the club will finish at least mid table next season (apparently, they will be remaining in the 2nd Division).
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Football supporter on May 14, 2014, 10:00:21 PM
How about Brian Haynes. Central like bringing players from overseas back, how bout a coach. Haynes won the NASL Coach of the year in 2013.
We have spoken to Brian, but he has just taken a new position.
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Deeks on May 14, 2014, 10:05:32 PM
Central does really bowl some googlees, boy!!!! Good Luck ! Mr. Fenwick.
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: elan on May 14, 2014, 10:57:45 PM
Any links to any of Central full game.
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Jack Horner on May 15, 2014, 03:05:07 AM
Top 10 jailed football stars.

1 Duncan Ferguson: Print Rangers striker served 44 days of a three-month term for assaulting Raith's Jock McStay.

2 Tony Adams: The Arsenal captain was jailed for four months for drink-driving.

3 Peter Storey: Arsenal defender got five years for car theft, counterfeiting and running a brothel.

4 Jermaine Pennant: Was with Birmingham when he was jailed for 90 days for drink-driving while banned.

5 Lee Hughes: The West Brom striker got six years for causing death by dangerous driving.

6 Eric Cantona: The Man Utd star was released after 24 hours of a two-week sentence for assault.

7 Peter Swan: He and Tony Kay of Sheffield Wednesday got four months and bans from the game in a 1964 betting scandal.

8 Joey Barton: Served six months on two separate charges of affray while with Newcastle and Man City.

9 Terry Fenwick: Four months for drink driving while with Leicester.

10 Graham Rix: Twelve months for underage sex and indecent assault.

eveningtimes.co.uk

Central knows how to pick them.

Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Tiresais on May 15, 2014, 03:08:17 AM
Well if you want to keep up the English tradition you know where I am :p. Shocked, but it's nice to know that the division is being looked at seriously by those abroad. New coach should be interesting to say the least! I'm sure there are some good managers in the Super League or regional leagues who might like a move up.
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Football supporter on May 15, 2014, 05:43:30 AM
Top 10 jailed football stars.

1 Duncan Ferguson: Print Rangers striker served 44 days of a three-month term for assaulting Raith's Jock McStay.

2 Tony Adams: The Arsenal captain was jailed for four months for drink-driving.

3 Peter Storey: Arsenal defender got five years for car theft, counterfeiting and running a brothel.

4 Jermaine Pennant: Was with Birmingham when he was jailed for 90 days for drink-driving while banned.

5 Lee Hughes: The West Brom striker got six years for causing death by dangerous driving.

6 Eric Cantona: The Man Utd star was released after 24 hours of a two-week sentence for assault.

7 Peter Swan: He and Tony Kay of Sheffield Wednesday got four months and bans from the game in a 1964 betting scandal.

8 Joey Barton: Served six months on two separate charges of affray while with Newcastle and Man City.

9 Terry Fenwick: Four months for drink driving while with Leicester.

10 Graham Rix: Twelve months for underage sex and indecent assault.

eveningtimes.co.uk

Central knows how to pick them.



Thanks Jack. It's interesting to note how the UK sends to prison football people who break major laws such as drinking and driving, while T&T gives rewards them according to how big the crimes are. e.g.:  Massive financial irregularities: Ministerial position.
Good system yoyu have here Jack! ???

By the way, will Jack be going to the World Cup?
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Thomo on May 15, 2014, 06:33:51 AM
Good come back FS lol
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: vb on May 15, 2014, 09:52:36 AM
Top 10 jailed football stars.

1 Duncan Ferguson: Print Rangers striker served 44 days of a three-month term for assaulting Raith's Jock McStay.

2 Tony Adams: The Arsenal captain was jailed for four months for drink-driving.

3 Peter Storey: Arsenal defender got five years for car theft, counterfeiting and running a brothel.

4 Jermaine Pennant: Was with Birmingham when he was jailed for 90 days for drink-driving while banned.

5 Lee Hughes: The West Brom striker got six years for causing death by dangerous driving.

6 Eric Cantona: The Man Utd star was released after 24 hours of a two-week sentence for assault.

7 Peter Swan: He and Tony Kay of Sheffield Wednesday got four months and bans from the game in a 1964 betting scandal.

8 Joey Barton: Served six months on two separate charges of affray while with Newcastle and Man City.

9 Terry Fenwick: Four months for drink driving while with Leicester.

10 Graham Rix: Twelve months for underage sex and indecent assault.

eveningtimes.co.uk

Central knows how to pick them.



What exactly is "drink driving."?
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Dinner Mints on May 15, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
Ah see Jack Horner doing prison research.
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Bakes on May 15, 2014, 09:59:02 AM
What exactly is "drink driving."?

DUI...
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: rotatopoti3 on May 15, 2014, 10:12:31 AM
Terry read d mark....enough is enough....

sure yuh love d culture but at end of d day....

how much more can u give and not get anything in return....





Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: asylumseeker on May 15, 2014, 11:33:29 AM
Ah see Jack Horner doing prison research.

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: najee on May 15, 2014, 03:53:25 PM
Fenwick did 4 months for drunk driving...and i thought he was quirky clean
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Mose on May 15, 2014, 04:03:05 PM
Fenwick did 4 months for drunk driving...and i thought he was quirky clean

Some people learn dey lesson when dey get ketch, s-s-some n-n-not s-so m-m-m-much!!
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
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Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: davidephraim on May 15, 2014, 10:02:52 PM
Good come back FS lol

Your ball Jack!
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Tiresais on May 16, 2014, 04:13:06 AM
Any news on his replacement?
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Sando on May 16, 2014, 04:16:27 AM
What about Richard?

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=59251.msg844388#msg844388

Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Quags on May 16, 2014, 06:29:32 AM
Wish Terry all the best ,but still sad to lose him. Guess he thought the senior team was in safe hands for now.
Wish Hart had gave him a try out for a coaching spot .
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Football supporter on May 16, 2014, 07:42:51 AM
Any news on his replacement?

We won't be rushing anything. Team is pretty much resigned for two years and we're speaking to several players. We really want to stay 100% Trini, but that may not be possible. We have had lots of responses so far, including guys from Turkey, Spain and USA, some of whom have the UEFA Pro Licence. We've also spoken to several local guys.
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Tiresais on May 16, 2014, 08:50:05 AM
Any news on his replacement?

We won't be rushing anything. Team is pretty much resigned for two years and we're speaking to several players. We really want to stay 100% Trini, but that may not be possible. We have had lots of responses so far, including guys from Turkey, Spain and USA, some of whom have the UEFA Pro Licence. We've also spoken to several local guys.

Wow that's fantastic that you have that pull. So if you were going to edge away from 100% Trini, would they be stop-gaps for the CFU or youth players?
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: AB.Trini on May 16, 2014, 09:52:40 PM
Just remember is TnT that give yuh that start- but wait nah  ent we have nuff nationals coaching in the states at minor pro,and university levels
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Trini _2026 on May 18, 2014, 06:55:41 PM
Is Michael McComie  name being mentioned  ;D
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Bally on May 19, 2014, 11:31:15 AM
I like some of the things  Central FC  is  about, however some of the dealings dont make sense. You talking about all local players however you never look at local coaches.
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Sam on May 19, 2014, 11:38:18 AM
Is Michael McComie  name being mentioned  ;D

Please !!!

I hope thats not true or else I am unfriending Central.

Look here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXDrEStIaF8)

Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Football supporter on May 19, 2014, 12:29:13 PM
I like some of the things  Central FC  is  about, however some of the dealings dont make sense. You talking about all local players however you never look at local coaches.

We've also spoken to several local guys.
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Deeks on May 19, 2014, 04:00:51 PM
Is Michael McComie  name being mentioned  ;D

Please !!!

I hope thats not true or else I am unfriending Central.

Look here. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXDrEStIaF8)



Sam, but the man is a local coach.
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Insider on May 22, 2014, 05:42:08 AM
From my close source, I heard that Brent Sancho was going to fire Terry Fenwick for some other reason, I cant say. The word leak and Fenwick take front and quit.

Fenwick going to coach in a club in Belgium for less money he was making at Central FC (i.e. 5,000 USD).

Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: dreamer on May 22, 2014, 06:56:55 AM
Central FC has much much more leverage than before. They have rapidly become bigshots in T&T pro league football, already famous for scintillating derbys with top of the table rivals W Connection and now known for "binders full" of players on the national team led by the insightful BraveHart. Great credit to Fenwick, Sancho, Football Supporter and the rest of the owner/ management team. Already qualified for CONCACAF club championship qualifiers and that is a tremendous achievement after just a couple yrs. A delicious springboard for a new coach who could be tasting international club football soon. One thing to note is that although I never liked the quasi boom-kick long ball football that Fenwick employed, one thing he was a borse at was defense. When he held the reigns, Central refused to absorb goals against them, making them hard to beat. So the next coach must be a solid defense tactician and hopefully more into the ball-on-the-park style with flair. Go for it Sancho. Take your time and invest in quality. Fenwick played a great role but Iz time to move on to higher heights.  Horner and them watching with pure gall-bladder-churning envy.
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Football supporter on May 22, 2014, 07:10:04 AM
Central FC has much much more leverage than before. They have rapidly become bigshots in T&T pro league football, already famous for scintillating derbys with top of the table rivals W Connection and now known for "binders full" of players on the national team led by the insightful BraveHart. Great credit to Fenwick, Sancho, Football Supporter and the rest of the owner/ management team. Already qualified for CONCACAF club championship qualifiers and that is a tremendous achievement after just a couple yrs. A delicious springboard for a new coach who could be tasting international club football soon. One thing to note is that although I never liked the quasi boom-kick long ball football that Fenwick employed, one thing he was a borse at was defense. When he held the reigns, Central refused to absorb goals against them, making them hard to beat. So the next coach must be a solid defense tactician and hopefully more into the ball-on-the-park style with flair. Go for it Sancho. Take your time and invest in quality. Fenwick played a great role but Iz time to move on to higher heights.  Horner and them watching with pure gall-bladder-churning envy.

 :beermug:

I have to disagree with the long ball comment, though. In fact, at times it was frustrating for us, having so much pace up front, but watching the players making lateral and backward passes. The tactics of passes for Winchester, Quintero, Mitchell and Plaza from midfield wasn't "long ball". Rarely would you see our defenders just launch a ball up front.

If a criticism is to be made, it would be that the players were encouraged to play for safety rather than flair. The common sound at any Central game was Terry shouting "pass, pass" even when we were on the edge of their box!!
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Football supporter on May 22, 2014, 07:13:29 AM
From my close source, I heard that Brent Sancho was going to fire Terry Fenwick for some other reason, I cant say. The word leak and Fenwick take front and quit.

Fenwick going to coach in a club in Belgium for less money he was making at Central FC (i.e. 5,000 USD).



There may have been changes to Terry's role, particularly as Technical Director, but there was no intention to sack him. I have no idea how much Terry will be earning in Belgium, but I imagine there will be lots of bonuses built into his package, particularly from transfer fees. This is good for us, because as soon as our players hit his club, he will be looking to promote them to move on to bigger clubs in Europe.
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: dreamer on May 22, 2014, 08:48:09 AM
FS. Ask Gally what he's up to. He may be just fleckin' excellent for your stage of development. Additionally he is known to be very good with defense, fond of local players being the bedrock of the team, known to have cultural competence to understand today's T&T youths like Guerra, Marcano and the rest and would create tremendous buzz for the investors. He will be able to thrive with Jackula and Cornmeals all more or less gone as they were his real thorn(s) in the side. Go for it!!!
Sancho take note!!! You are known to be a top tactician, already known to have fearlessly slain the Renraw dragon and eh done yet.
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on May 22, 2014, 08:53:52 AM
From my close source, I heard that Brent Sancho was going to fire Terry Fenwick for some other reason, I cant say. The word leak and Fenwick take front and quit.

Fenwick going to coach in a club in Belgium for less money he was making at Central FC (i.e. 5,000 USD).



There may have been changes to Terry's role, particularly as Technical Director, but there was no intention to sack him. I have no idea how much Terry will be earning in Belgium, but I imagine there will be lots of bonuses built into his package, particularly from transfer fees. This is good for us, because as soon as our players hit his club, he will be looking to promote them to move on to bigger clubs in Europe.

I know you probably can't answer this question FS but does this mean that Central will be transferring a few players to CS Vise this window.
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Football supporter on May 22, 2014, 09:08:10 AM
From my close source, I heard that Brent Sancho was going to fire Terry Fenwick for some other reason, I cant say. The word leak and Fenwick take front and quit.

Fenwick going to coach in a club in Belgium for less money he was making at Central FC (i.e. 5,000 USD).



There may have been changes to Terry's role, particularly as Technical Director, but there was no intention to sack him. I have no idea how much Terry will be earning in Belgium, but I imagine there will be lots of bonuses built into his package, particularly from transfer fees. This is good for us, because as soon as our players hit his club, he will be looking to promote them to move on to bigger clubs in Europe.

I know you probably can't answer this question FS but does this mean that Central will be transferring a few players to CS Vise this window.

That would depend on Terry, his existing players and his budget. But I imagine we would need to start a "CS Vise for the season" thread!
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: chelsealife on May 22, 2014, 09:42:44 AM
From my close source, I heard that Brent Sancho was going to fire Terry Fenwick for some other reason, I cant say. The word leak and Fenwick take front and quit.

Fenwick going to coach in a club in Belgium for less money he was making at Central FC (i.e. 5,000 USD).



There may have been changes to Terry's role, particularly as Technical Director, but there was no intention to sack him. I have no idea how much Terry will be earning in Belgium, but I imagine there will be lots of bonuses built into his package, particularly from transfer fees. This is good for us, because as soon as our players hit his club, he will be looking to promote them to move on to bigger clubs in Europe.

I know you probably can't answer this question FS but does this mean that Central will be transferring a few players to CS Vise this window.

That would depend on Terry, his existing players and his budget. But I imagine we would need to start a "CS Vise for the season" thread!
D man said 'YES!!' just not like dat lol. I wasnt gna ask but didnt want to here cuz amiel droppin hints in another thread
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Football supporter on May 22, 2014, 10:12:48 AM
FS. Ask Gally what he's up to. He may be just fleckin' excellent for your stage of development. Additionally he is known to be very good with defense, fond of local players being the bedrock of the team, known to have cultural competence to understand today's T&T youths like Guerra, Marcano and the rest and would create tremendous buzz for the investors. He will be able to thrive with Jackula and Cornmeals all more or less gone as they were his real thorn(s) in the side. Go for it!!!
Sancho take note!!! You are known to be a top tactician, already known to have fearlessly slain the Renraw dragon and eh done yet.

Gally have a nice role at UTT with Darren Ganga and looking at the Super League.
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Tiresais on May 22, 2014, 10:35:31 AM
FS. Ask Gally what he's up to. He may be just fleckin' excellent for your stage of development. Additionally he is known to be very good with defense, fond of local players being the bedrock of the team, known to have cultural competence to understand today's T&T youths like Guerra, Marcano and the rest and would create tremendous buzz for the investors. He will be able to thrive with Jackula and Cornmeals all more or less gone as they were his real thorn(s) in the side. Go for it!!!
Sancho take note!!! You are known to be a top tactician, already known to have fearlessly slain the Renraw dragon and eh done yet.

Gally have a nice role at UTT with Darren Ganga and looking at the Super League.

That's good news - so Super League will be losing some teams then - they want 16, rumours of Pro League expansion, so 2+2 means some Super League teams going up?
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: triniairman on May 22, 2014, 10:59:17 AM
It's a business, if the man wants a foreign coach, then so be it!!
Title: Re: Fenwick quits Central: English coach poised to join Belgium club
Post by: Big Magician on May 22, 2014, 03:04:26 PM
the pro league will miss terry...he good for the game here...

its crazy that he never got a job at any national level...somewhow i think he will be back one day
Title: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Flex on July 17, 2014, 06:07:35 PM
Fenwick targets Central FC's dynamic duo.
By Inshan Mohammed.


Plaza, Winchester & Marshall linked.

Trinidad and Tobago striker Willis Plaza is heading to Belgium today via-London to seek-out a possible move to Belgian third division side Cercle Sportif Vis, the new Club of former Central FC's head coach Terry Fenwick.

The prolific Pro League striker is off to Belgium for contractual talks. Now a free agent and after an impressive half season with Central FC, Plaza and his management team have been receiving numerous offers for his services including another Belgian second division club and a first division team from Switzerland.

"One club (CS Vis) is leading the race, once personal terms and conditions can be agreed, we will make a statement on any signings" added his manager, Narada Wilson of TBL Sports."

Vis is a Belgian football club from the city of Vis in the province of Lige. They are playing in the Belgian second division. The club plays its home matches at Stade de la Cit de l'Oie in Vis. They are nicknamed Les Oies (the geese), after the city of Vis nickname. They were relegated last season to the third division and are looking to strengthen up their chances to win back promotion.

Plaza meanwhile, has represented his country's senior team 15 times and has 5 goals to his name.

The former Arima Senior Comprehensive player has played in both Trinidad and Tobago and Vietnam. Plaza came through the ranks of San Juan Jabloteh under the then head coach Terry Fenwick, before heading to Vietnamese Clubs Navibank Saigon and Sng Lam Nghệ An respectively.

In January 2014 the Mount Hope-born striker moved back to Trinidad and Tobago where he reunited with Terry Fenwick at T&T's newest football league club team Central FC. Since his signing Plaza has racked up 18 goals in 20 overall matches and copped the golden boot and most offensive player of the year awards. He is represented by TBL Sports Management whom by the way also represents Central FC's defender Yohance Marshall.

Speaking of which, during this year's Word Cup in Brazil, Marshall has also been shopping the market for a possible move. The defender had talks with Brazilian Seria-B club team Santa Cruz FC and they have shown a strong interest in him, however, Brazil has a year round window for locals and not a fixed window for internationals, therefore, TBL Sports are awaiting a set date for a possible move.

And if things doesn't work out in favor of the rugged defender he could very well be on the moved to MLS Canadian based teams Montreal Impact and, Vancouver Whitecaps, the club of T&T international Carlyle Mitchell as both is said to be showing some interest in the player however, with the limitations on international players set by MLS the club is awaiting some outgoing transfers in order to make room for further international signings.

Central FC's young footballer of the year Tobago-born striker Rundell Winchester, who, contract runs out in 2016 with the Sharks is also on Terry Fenwick's hot-list and is expected to join Plaza at CS Vis pending terms agreement.

The 20-year old former Stokely Vale FC striker has been a revolution for both club and country and looks almost certain to join CS Vis. In-addition to him being named young footballer of the year at Central FC, the speedy attacker were also voted by club and supports for the goal of the season.

Both Winchester and Plaza are likely to be signed as CS Vis has shown the most interest and with Fenwick there the move could work in both parties favor, however, there are one hiccup, the 46% tax on players salary is a major downfall and CS Vis will really have to dig deep in their pockets if they want both players signatures.

Central FC meantime isn't sitting and waiting and is already trying to fill the void by recent signings of Elijah Manners from San Juan Jabloteh, former T&TEC player 19-year-old midfielder Nathaniel Garcia, and 16-year-old Levi Garcia from Siparia Spurs. Also signing on is 19-year-old Denzil Daniel.

Zoran Vranes has been installed coach of Central FC which finished second in the Pro League last season under Englishman Terry Fenwick.

In related news, former T&T and Chainat FC winger Kendall Jagdeosingh who plays in the Thai Division 1 League recently moved from Trat FC to Phuket FC while North East Stars striker Trevin Caesar headed to NASAL team San Antonio Scorpions but is yet to make an appearance for his new team.

Former T&T striker Darryl Roberts also ply his trade in the Thai Division 1 League with Roi Et. Both Roberts and Jagdeosingh are tied at 8-goals for the season thus far. Jagdeosingh however, has one over his international teammate when he recorded his first hat-trick for the season in March 2014 against Ayutthaya FC.

Another T&T player doing well for his new club Rovaniemen Palloseura is Jamal Gay. Since converting to a defensive midfielder the former striker is having a field day. In his last 7 games his club is uneaten, Jamal has scored 1 goal and has 3 assists and was awarded man of match twice. Rovaniemen Palloseura (RoPS) will play in the Europa League qualifiers against Greek club Asteras Tripolis FC carded for next Thursday.



Copyrights of the Soca Warriors Online - Any press using the following article written by Inshan Mohammed are welcome to do so providing they reveal the source and writer. Furthermore, no portion of this article may be copied without proper credit as well.

Title: Re: Fenwick targets Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: dreamer on July 17, 2014, 06:48:56 PM
Real action boy. T&T Pro League beginning to become a mining field.
Good stuff. As fast as they come, as fast they go.
As we said before Levi Garcia is an exciting signing.
Time to bring back Jagdeosingh with de money dey sell Plaza for.
Need a striker or 2 strikers to replace Plaza's work rate.
Title: Re: Fenwick targets Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: AB.Trini on July 17, 2014, 06:54:17 PM
Yes well see why yuh have tuh treat people good- yuh never know when they go scratch yuh back. This bodes well for we pro league fuh real.

On another note ah have tuh love this note by Flex:

Copyrights of the Soca Warriors Online - Any press using the following article written by Inshan Mohammed are welcome to do so providing they reveal the source and writer. Furthermore, no portion of this article may be copied without proper credit as well.

Long time now I seeing ideas or things written on this forum show up with in other media or as ideas from the brilliant leaders we have.
The power of the Swonline forums
Title: Re: Fenwick targets Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Sando on July 17, 2014, 07:45:33 PM
Good all round news.

Tops Flex.

T&T dailies ain't want nothing.

Title: Re: Fenwick targets Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: doc on July 17, 2014, 09:40:16 PM
Let dem come 'Bago and get Matty!
Title: Re: Fenwick targets Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Controversial on July 17, 2014, 10:36:29 PM
how good is winchester?
Title: Re: Fenwick targets Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: maxg on July 17, 2014, 10:56:05 PM
Central FC's young footballer of the year Tobago-born striker Rundell Winchester, who, contract runs out in 2016 with the Sharks is also on Terry Fenwick's hot-list and is expected to join Plaza at CS Vis pending terms agreement.

The 20-year old former Stokely Vale FC striker has been a revolution for both club and country and looks almost certain to join CS Vis. In-addition to him being named young footballer of the year at Central FC, the speedy attacker were also voted by club and supports for the goal of the season.

I trust he must be pretty good for a lot of people . ;D

Title: Re: Fenwick targets Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Football supporter on July 18, 2014, 12:07:11 AM
how good is winchester?

Here's a link to a 2 minute profile of Winchester

http://www.centralfctt.com/videos/video.php?v=12
Title: Re: Fenwick targets Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Mose on July 18, 2014, 06:51:12 AM
Wouldn't mind seeing Marshall here in Montreal. More reason to support the Impact but last time I checked they have 10 defenders on the team roster. Might be difficult to break through. They already traded last year's starting left back to NYCFC so he could get playing time.
Title: Re: Fenwick targets Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: chelsealife on July 18, 2014, 07:54:29 AM
Let dem come 'Bago and get Matty!
Who???

how good is winchester?
He's very very good, you have to see him live, the video doesnt do justice to his ability
Title: Re: Fenwick targets Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Controversial on July 18, 2014, 08:25:54 AM
Let dem come 'Bago and get Matty!
Who???

how good is winchester?
He's very very good, you have to see him live, the video doesnt do justice to his ability

looks like he has some pace and can dribble the football, would like to see him against european comp and also how his strength and skill measures up in belgium... by the looks of it, he should have gotten a run in the friendlies... plaza also should have gotten more minutes..

ill reserve my comments for now until i see him against intl opponents
Title: Re: Fenwick targets Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Football supporter on July 18, 2014, 09:12:55 AM
Let dem come 'Bago and get Matty!
Who???

how good is winchester?
He's very very good, you have to see him live, the video doesnt do justice to his ability

looks like he has some pace and can dribble the football, would like to see him against european comp and also how his strength and skill measures up in belgium... by the looks of it, he should have gotten a run in the friendlies... plaza also should have gotten more minutes..

ill reserve my comments for now until i see him against intl opponents

I think it's accepted that he is the fastest sprinter in the Pro League. He had around 85 minutes vs Jamaica and won the penalty for Kenwyne. Only got 2 or 3 mins vs Argentina. He seems to be a "big game" player, scoring in both Lucozade and First Citizens cup finals. In my opinion, if he received more work on his explosive speed and he gets his head straight, he will be an automatic choice on the MNT.
Title: Re: Fenwick targets Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: trini_stallion on July 19, 2014, 07:22:43 AM
Man hv that explosive speed!
Title: Re: Fenwick targets Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Trini _2026 on July 19, 2014, 10:51:08 AM
A few doors opened for Marshall since the Argentina match  ...   ah Daniel Cyrus
Title: Re: Fenwick targets Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Tiresais on July 19, 2014, 02:26:37 PM
A few doors opened for Marshall since the Argentina match  ...   ah Daniel Cyrus

Hah now you've raised it I can't think of much else! How different it could have been! Cyrus did what he thought was best for his career, sadly for him it might not have been the right move, but I'm very happy for Yohance to show the world just how good he is - people been underestimating him for a long time.
Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Football supporter on July 19, 2014, 04:18:52 PM
A few doors opened for Marshall since the Argentina match  ...   ah Daniel Cyrus

Hah now you've raised it I can't think of much else! How different it could have been! Cyrus did what he thought was best for his career, sadly for him it might not have been the right move, but I'm very happy for Yohance to show the world just how good he is - people been underestimating him for a long time.

I agree, but if you ply your trade so far away from home, people will forget you. I think Central proved that there are some decent Trinis playing in minor leagues overseas who could make the national team. But, of course, the money in the Pro League is not as good. But I do feel that the ProLeague is a better jump off point to Europe and MLS.
Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Bally on July 22, 2014, 03:21:54 PM
I hope he pays Central ah fee for them players  because he like freeness
Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Football supporter on July 22, 2014, 04:27:05 PM
I hope he pays Central ah fee for them players  because he like freeness

Plaza was out of contract, so no fee there.
With Winchester, we will receive a percentage of any sell on fee. There's not really a selling market for Pro League players. Clubs want to see these guys perform in their own backyards as they have no clue about the ProLeague standard (whether it's equivalent to say, English League 1 or 2, Belgian League 1, German League 1 etc)
So, it seems the only way for players to get into a decent league is to use clubs such as Vise as a shop window. Vise need to sell players to survive so they will push to get our guys a next move. Meanwhile, the players gain some experience of life overseas and earn a better wage.
Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: royal on July 22, 2014, 06:01:44 PM
Willis Plaza signs to play in Belgium with CS Vise

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtLz5aeCYAAPTRw.jpg)
Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Controversial on July 22, 2014, 10:47:15 PM
A few doors opened for Marshall since the Argentina match  ...   ah Daniel Cyrus

lets not go there.. the man waste an opp and he is the best defender we have with the most potential to play at the highest level.. >:(
Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Tiresais on July 23, 2014, 03:43:33 AM
A few doors opened for Marshall since the Argentina match  ...   ah Daniel Cyrus

lets not go there.. the man waste an opp and he is the best defender we have with the most potential to play at the highest level.. >:(

To play devil's advocate, I imagine he's looking to progress and get out of his comfort zone, and join a club that is professional and offers 5 days a week training, as well as a wage he can live on and raise a family on. Who's to say he would have played well? Maybe he would have buckled under the pressure and missed the Vietnamese opportunity and stagnated for another year?
Title: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Sam on July 23, 2014, 06:14:41 AM
He deserve one, big time.

When he got the job to coach Northampton Town, de first thing he did was signed Brent Rahim.

Now the first thing he did after becoming coach for CS Vise, is he signed Winchester and Plaza and I hear he looking at more players.

HE DID NOT HAVE TO DO THIS, there are thousand of players in Europe, Africa and other places he could have gotten and cheaper too.

We have Dennis Lawrence at Everton, Russell Latapy at Inverness, Yorke and Hislop who have big respect from teams in Europe and not one of them ever even recommend a player for a little trial self. Maybe Latas once with Theobald.

Fenwick teams he coach in T&T (Jabloteh and Central) have a 99% local Trinbago on it, Jabloteh was 100% Trini and Central was also 100% local in de late half and WIN titles with them.

He got/help with contracts for Collin Samuel, Kelvin Jack, Hector Sam, Khaleem Hyland, Guerra, Cornell Glen, etc etc...

Fenwick develop many players, at a young age, Kevin Molino, Collin Samuel, Nigel Daniel, Ataullah Guerra, Willis Plaza, Lester Peltier, Elton John, Joel Russell and Devon Jamerson, Cleon John, Trent Noel, Johan Peltier, Robert Primus, Khaleem Hyland along with Mikeil Williams. All these men came through Fenwick while he was coach with Jabloteh, he signed them in his youth system and break them out. Even Kelvin Jack, Ian Gray, Keyeno Thomas and Cyd Gray all work under him.

He also develop coaches like Angus Eve. He took him under his wing and taught.

De man deserve respect.

Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: AB.Trini on July 23, 2014, 09:20:10 AM
 :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: I  wonder why this coach was never considered as a staff for any of our national senior teams? He has the knowledge the familiarity of our players and lived here yet during our dark days of WC  qualifications  he was never considered- could have been a help for Latas and Maturana or Otto- well boi whomever had this man blacklisted must have benefitted from some big Guyanese dollars lol
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: de_redman on July 23, 2014, 10:42:37 AM
He must be still trying to make up for the clothesline  ;)
Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: dreamer on July 23, 2014, 11:36:59 AM
Plaza will destroy the teams he meets in that Belgium league. I'm confident having seen his exploits in T&T, Vietnam and Arabia when he scored as a sub with the first touch of the ball.
All the best Plaza. You are going to be special.
Eat a food and keep yuh head on. Thanks Fenwick.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Tiresais on July 23, 2014, 01:04:10 PM
Yup true servant of the Trinbagonian game in that respect - how many coaches from anywhere done as much to further the careers of so many players both home and abroad?
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on July 23, 2014, 01:49:25 PM
I also dislike the statements about using a 100 percent local squad, most times clubs use young and local only because of budget restrictions.

Jabloteh wasn't in that boat palos so keep within context.  With TF that was a choice he made and nothing to do with being hamstrung by budget limitations
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Sam on July 23, 2014, 02:39:55 PM
Its good to see the views of persons in a positive light but i would like us to think deeper. Lawrence is at Everton, even if he wanted he can't bring players up due to UK restrictions, we are talking EPL standard football, Can we name 3 players locally who can play there at this moment. Latas and others weren't in such positions. Mr Fenwick has developed quiet a few young players however the details of these contracts most have never seen and what was in it for all parties involved. I also dislike the statements about using a 100 percent local squad, most times clubs use young and local only because of budget restrictions. I believe football has room for only the best, we want our boys go abroad so we need to welcome those from abroad. What was all these players salaries like before leaving? His qualification speak volumes and a chance at National level should have happened but I dont know what the selectors look for, if we have a panel that is

While coaching Jabloteh, Fenwick sent all those players through recommendations, I am sure our players can do the same, no one saying they have to be EPL teams, I am sure they have connections with others clubs and managers.

All our players need is a little boost.

And what details you talking about, since when players details does be reveal except if is EPL teams.

Ent you is de agent for Plaza, tell we de details on Plaza contract nah? De man getting our players a chance to play in a better league and environment and to make a lil extra.

Fenwick, did not have to sign an players from T&T, ok, remember that.

Ent Stuart Chalres does sign plenty St Lucians, everybody does look out for they own.

We have men who known in Europe, you could more than get a trials for players at a lower level.

Look Yorke for example, he promise Tobago defender Dwight Pope who playing for Jabloteh he will help him, you eh hear nothing from that again.

When Fenwick was with Jabloteh we was beating teams like Arnett Gardens, W Connection, San Francisco F.C., Alpha United, Inter Moengotapoe and Chicago Fire in de CCL and CFU.

So Fenwick deserve respect.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 23, 2014, 04:34:09 PM
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: I  wonder why this coach was never considered as a staff for any of our national senior teams? He has the knowledge the familiarity of our players and lived here yet during our dark days of WC  qualifications  he was never considered- could have been a help for Latas and Maturana or Otto- well boi whomever had this man blacklisted must have benefitted from some big Guyanese dollars lol

Ask Jack and Camps!!!!
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 23, 2014, 04:37:36 PM
When Fenwick was with Jabloteh we was beating teams like Arnett Gardens, W Connection, San Francisco F.C., Alpha United, Inter Moengotapoe and Chicago Fire in de CCL and CFU.

He also had abundant resources from CLICO. Jabloteh started going down when CLICO/DUPREY scandal broke.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 23, 2014, 07:04:21 PM
Its good to see the views of persons in a positive light but i would like us to think deeper. Lawrence is at Everton, even if he wanted he can't bring players up due to UK restrictions, we are talking EPL standard football, Can we name 3 players locally who can play there at this moment. Latas and others weren't in such positions. Mr Fenwick has developed quiet a few young players however the details of these contracts most have never seen and what was in it for all parties involved. I also dislike the statements about using a 100 percent local squad, most times clubs use young and local only because of budget restrictions. I believe football has room for only the best, we want our boys go abroad so we need to welcome those from abroad. What was all these players salaries like before leaving? His qualification speak volumes and a chance at National level should have happened but I dont know what the selectors look for, if we have a panel that is

While coaching Jabloteh, Fenwick sent all those players through recommendations, I am sure our players can do the same, no one saying they have to be EPL teams, I am sure they have connections with others clubs and managers.

All our players need is a little boost.

And what details you talking about, since when players details does be reveal except if is EPL teams.

Ent you is de agent for Plaza, tell we de details on Plaza contract nah? De man getting our players a chance to play in a better league and environment and to make a lil extra.

Fenwick, did not have to sign an players from T&T, ok, remember that.

Ent Stuart Chalres does sign plenty St Lucians, everybody does look out for they own.

We have men who known in Europe, you could more than get a trials for players at a lower level.

Look Yorke for example, he promise Tobago defender Dwight Pope who playing for Jabloteh Central F.C. he will help him, you eh hear nothing from that again.

When Fenwick was with Jabloteh we was beating teams like Arnett Gardens, W Connection, San Francisco F.C., Alpha United, Inter Moengotapoe and Chicago Fire in de CCL and CFU.

So Fenwick deserve respect.

Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Sam on July 23, 2014, 07:33:13 PM
When Fenwick was with Jabloteh we was beating teams like Arnett Gardens, W Connection, San Francisco F.C., Alpha United, Inter Moengotapoe and Chicago Fire in de CCL and CFU.

He also had abundant resources from CLICO. Jabloteh started going down when CLICO/DUPREY scandal broke.

I was waiting for de ole dogs and them to bring this up.

So Jabloteh was broke before Fenwick came to Jabloteh?

Ent all de other coach before and after had de CLICO deal and had money to?

Ent Fenwick win them titles with a fully local team and not all of them was national T&T players?

Ent Fenwick win two titles and was Pro League runner up with Central, who don't even have a decent set of money?

Get real bro, he did better than your Defence Force and Police team consistently.

W Connection had to bring a set of Brazilians and Colombians, Caledonia bring a set of Guyanese and Grenadian and Joe Public bring a set of Jamaicans and other foreigners to win anything.

Terry did it with all locals.

Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Sam on July 23, 2014, 07:34:50 PM
I am sure if Fenwick was a blackman nuff praise would come from some of allyuh.

Give Jack he jacket.

Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: chelsealife on July 23, 2014, 08:09:42 PM
Fenwick is d best local coach we have. So glad he took my boy Rundell though, a well disciplined youth
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Football supporter on July 23, 2014, 08:26:08 PM
I remember a few years ago there were people questioning the ability of Sir Alex. Not for what he achieved at Man U, but because he had two decades to organise the club from top to bottom. It was argued that if he changed clubs every two or three years a la Mourinho et al, he would not have fared well. The debate also went on to ask the same of Bill Shankly (my all time hero), Bob Paisley etc. One of the examples was the difference between Brian Clough's reign at Leeds compared to Forest and Derby.

So, I guess the same point could be made about Fenwick. He achieved at Jabloteh, then stepped into a mid season club, steadied the ship and achieved again. I don't think there are many Pro League coaches who have won trophies with more than one club?
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 23, 2014, 08:32:29 PM
I am sure if Fenwick was a blackman nuff praise would come from some of allyuh.

Give Jack he jacket.



Sam drinking and smoking the weed of wisdom don't work with you. I eh have nothing against Fenwick. I think he has done a great job in TT.  First of all why you bringing up this whiteman bullshit with me. Fenwick never coach TT because he and Jack Warner did not see I to I. And Jack picked Porterfirld and Otto(the German to coach TT. Them is whitemen). If you want to know why Fenwick never coach TT, go Chaguanas where Jack is, and ask him.

Jabloteh's performance in the CCL pinnacled after they beat Chicago in TT, and after that, what?  Fenwick was stiffled by the old TTFF, not what football fans say. The regular socalled football could careless who TTFA pick.

Police and DF were not my team. I told you my team was Essex. And Fenwick was supposed to have Jaloteh do better than those 2 teams. He had some of the best players. And like I said before, his team was well funded by Clico.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Sam on July 24, 2014, 02:37:49 AM
I am sure if Fenwick was a blackman nuff praise would come from some of allyuh.

Give Jack he jacket.



Sam drinking and smoking the weed of wisdom don't work with you. I eh have nothing against Fenwick. I think he has done a great job in TT.  First of all why you bringing up this whiteman bullshit with me. Fenwick never coach TT because he and Jack Warner did not see I to I. And Jack picked Porterfirld and Otto(the German to coach TT. Them is whitemen). If you want to know why Fenwick never coach TT, go Chaguanas where Jack is, and ask him.

Jabloteh's performance in the CCL pinnacled after they beat Chicago in TT, and after that, what?  Fenwick was stiffled by the old TTFF, not what football fans say. The regular socalled football could careless who TTFA pick.

Police and DF were not my team. I told you my team was Essex. And Fenwick was supposed to have Jaloteh do better than those 2 teams. He had some of the best players. And like I said before, his team was well funded by Clico.

After than, ask Ricky Hill, he was de coach. De second game vs FIre, Ian Gray get a red card in de 36 min and Jabloteh just fall flat, that could happen to any team.

And I eh talking about Fenwick coaching T&T, I referring to, de man deserve some respect and I know people on this site who doh post no more woulda sing praises to his name if he was a blackman.

He did better than many foreign coach coaching in T&T in recent times.

De FIRST thing de man do after he sign for a foreign club, is sign our players.

HE DID NOT HAVE TO DO THAT, there are THOUSANDS of players in EUROPE.

Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Sam on July 24, 2014, 03:02:15 AM
These was some of the team in them days.

San Juan Jabloteh:
Daurance Williams, Kelvin Jack; Keyeno Thomas, Ronald Primus, Ansil Elcock, Nigel Daniel, Ian Gray, Cyd Gray; Trent Noel, Angus Eve, Josh Johnson, Stokley Mason, Michael Celestine, Travis Mulraine, Kerry Baptiste; Otis Seaton, Nigel Pierre, Cornell Glen, Kerry Noray.

W Connection:
Alejandro Figueroa; Reynold Carrington, Lyndon Diaz, Arnold Dwarika, Kerwin Jemmott, Rawle Fletcher, Silvio Spann, Kenwyne Jones; Elijah Joseph, Jose Luis Seabra, Ronaldo Viana, Gefferson Goulart; Leonson Lewis, Jason Marcano, Titus Elva, George Issac, Kendall Davis, Earl Jean.

Chicago Fire:
Henry Ring; Evan Whitfield, Leonard Griffin, Jim Curtin, C.J. Brown, Chris Armas, Logan Pause, Dipsy Selolwane, Andy Williams, Kelly Gray, Justin Mapp, DaMarcus Beasley; Damani Ralph, Nate Jaqua.

Arnett Gardens:
Allan Reid, Wayne Ellis, Alex Thomas, Oneil Dunn, Keith Kelly, Cornel Chin-Sue, Gerald Neil, Everton Bunsie, Gregory Messam, Jonathan Williams, Kwame Richardson, Ray Graham, Leon Strictland, Denton Sheddon, S.Collins, E.Barnes, A.Morgon, A.Burke.

Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 24, 2014, 07:24:55 AM
And I eh talking about Fenwick coaching T&T, I referring to, de man deserve some respect and I know people on this site who doh post no more woulda sing praises to his name if he was a blackman.

Who say Fenwick is/was not respcted on this forum? He was well respected. He had all the credentials to be the national coach. As good as a football coach he is, he used to get under the skin of a lot people, even some on this forum. To some he was too loquacious or verbose to their liking. He was a bit of Jose Mourinho. In one game he "clouted" a player  for some "chupidness", and there was a big write up on it in the papers.  Fenwick did not have anything to prove to me. He could have and should have been selected coach of the national. But your HNIC in Central did not like him. So go and vent your fustration on the MP for Chag. West, or East. Or the Centre of Dis-Excellence.
Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Sam on July 24, 2014, 08:30:42 AM
And I eh talking about Fenwick coaching T&T, I referring to, de man deserve some respect and I know people on this site who doh post no more woulda sing praises to his name if he was a blackman.

Who say Fenwick is/was not respcted on this forum? He was well respected. He had all the credentials to be the national coach. As good as a football coach he is, he used to get under the skin of a lot people, even some on this forum. To some he was too loquacious or verbose to their liking. He was a bit of Jose Mourinho. In one game he "clouted" a player  for some "chupidness", and there was a big write up on it in the papers.  Fenwick did not have anything to prove to me. He could have and should have been selected coach of the national. But your HNIC in Central did not like him. So go and vent your fustration on the MP for Chag. West, or East. Or the Centre of Dis-Excellence.

I created this thread to big up de man and give him respect for signing our players, something no other has done, not even we own Trinis in a foreign club.

I eh de one who bawling de man was successful because of Jabloteh CLICO money.

You could have all de money in de world and still fail.

Remember that.

Anybody looking out for WE players I love them for that.

F00ck Yorke and company.

Title: Re: Terry Fenwick Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 24, 2014, 09:27:17 AM
F00ck Yorke and company.

Oh!, So your beef is really with Dwight and Latas? Nah, I can't help you with that one.
Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Flex on July 29, 2014, 07:27:58 AM
Plaza, Winchester joins Fenwick at Belgiums CS Vise.
ttproleague.com.


Trinidad and Tobago international forwards Willis Plaza and Rundell Winchester have signed multiple-year deals in Belgium with third division outfit Cercle Sportif Vis.

Last week Plaza, who turns 27 on August 3, penned a two-year deal, while the much younger 21-year-old Winchester, in his first move outside of T&T, secured a three-year contract with CS Vis.

Both deals were linked by newly installed Vis head coach Terry Fenwick, who coached both players at Central FC in the TT Pro League last season and also had time with Plaza at former club San Juan Jabloteh.

Fenwick, a former England and Tottenham defender, who had success during his spells in the TTPL winning three league titles with Jabloteh among various knockout titles and last season finished Central FC in second and with two knockout titles, was lured by Vis on a three-year contract.

The 54-year-old Fenwick has been tasked with improving the standard of play at Vis and returning the club to the second division, after the underperforming Les Oies were demoted to the third division at the end of last season following a miserable rock-bottom finish.

Last season in the TTPL, Plaza and the Tobago-born Winchester both served Fenwick well, and had the attention of T&T head coach Stephen Hart throughout.

Plaza, who had stints in Vietnam with Navibank Saigon and Song Lam Nghe An, said, at Vis, he intends continue his rich scoring form; of 18 goals in 20 appearances for Central after signing on for the second half of last season.

However Plaza says his focus is to attract the interest bigger clubs in Europe.

I feel good about my move to Vis, not only because its a stepping stone to [bigger opportunities in] Europe, but because Vis are a good team and Terry is here as well, said the T&T forward.

Its an improvement in my career because playing in Europe means playing in the eyes of the world. Id try to achieve what I can here at Vis but my intention is to reach the top. I am going to work hard and score goals but at the end of that, I am using this opportunity to further my career, ended Plaza.

Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Mose on July 29, 2014, 08:24:13 AM
Allyuh didn't warn Plaza about dat "stepping stone" talk?
Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Tiresais on July 29, 2014, 11:54:21 AM
He doesnt listen to anyone that boy.
Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Flex on September 15, 2014, 01:14:41 PM
Heard some news that Winchester & Plaza club gone bankrupt and now they stuck.

Not 100% sure.

Did anyone hear this too?

Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Mose on September 15, 2014, 02:06:47 PM
Interesting. Did a quick check and the club website and facebook page are out of date. Last entries are from early August.
Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: weary1969 on September 15, 2014, 02:51:17 PM
Heard some news that Winchester & Plaza club gone bankrupt and now they stuck.

Not 100% sure.

Did anyone hear this too?



Where is the nearest embassy?
Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: vb on September 15, 2014, 03:28:50 PM
Fenwick really blight boy.

Portsmouth hate him.
Jabloteh went broke.
The Queens Park deal with St. Annes Rangers fell through - Now this.

If true, sorry for them two yutes. They have promise.

VB
Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Flex on September 15, 2014, 03:31:39 PM
We actually have 4 players there.

Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Football supporter on September 16, 2014, 07:12:12 AM
It's difficult to find out what is happening. There certainly appears to be financial problems and several key staff have jumped ship. The players have contacted us, but there is not much that we can do, especially as Plaza, Villaroeal and John went as free agents.
There is a Belgian players union, but I have no idea how strong or efficient it is.
But we are continuing to try to shake the trees at this end. Talking to FIFA to determine if they can return to us outside of the transfer window if their contracts have not been honored.
Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: asylumseeker on September 16, 2014, 08:41:22 AM
... too many opportunities in Belgium to just return without putting themselves on the front step.
Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Football supporter on September 16, 2014, 11:14:43 AM
... too many opportunities in Belgium to just return without putting themselves on the front step.

Only if you can afford accommodation, food etc until January transfer window opens!!
Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: elan on September 16, 2014, 11:36:23 AM
... too many opportunities in Belgium to just return without putting themselves on the front step.

Only if you can afford accommodation, food etc until January transfer window opens!!

Yeah but they will not be transfers. They are free agents and have no contracts, not so?
Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Football supporter on September 16, 2014, 12:02:16 PM
... too many opportunities in Belgium to just return without putting themselves on the front step.

Only if you can afford accommodation, food etc until January transfer window opens!!

Yeah but they will not be transfers. They are free agents and have no contracts, not so?

Depends how the situation is viewed. Winchester is definitely a transfer. The other players will have to have their registrations transferred from CS Vise unless they are released by the club, which the club may not want to do as they have to continue to play fixtures.
Title: Re: Fenwick hunts Central FC's dynamic duo.
Post by: Tiresais on September 17, 2014, 11:16:45 AM
Real shame for hte players involved - to have settled half-way across the world and potentially have to come back again :(
Title: Fenwicks back! Feisty Englishman makes shock return to Central FC
Post by: SWF Reporter on March 24, 2015, 04:32:26 PM
Fenwicks back! Feisty Englishman makes shock return to Central FC
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868)


Call him the unsinkable Terry Fenwick.

The former England World Cup defender left Trinidad and Tobago Pro League club, Central FC, last year for greener pastures with Belgium lower division club, CS Vis, and took three of Couva-based teams best players with him.

The Vis dream turned into a nightmare and the Trinidad and Tobago exports to the obscure club, Willis Plaza, Rundell Winchester, Elton John and Kevon Villaroel, returned with sad tales of broken promises and unpaid wages. At present, Vis, which imploded financially soon after Fenwick joined them, is in 16th place in the Belgium third division and in danger of relegation.

It is uncertain when the Englishman abandoned the Belgium club.

However, tomorrow morning, Fenwick will officially rejoin them at the Couva Sharks as their new head coach. Zoran Vranes, a native of the former Yugoslav republic, will step aside and take over the position of Central technical director with responsibility over the youth and womens teams.

Vranes will essentially act in place of Central director of womens and youth football, George Romano, who is recovering from a stroke he suffered last month.

Central operations director Kevin Harrison, who is also advisor to Sport Minister Brent Sancho, confirmed that the feisty Englishman was back in the drivers seat.

We are in the last furlong now and the results havent been spectacular, Harrison told Wired868. Maybe they were getting jaded and needed a little freshener. The players will have to try a bit harder now and refocus to get in the team under a new coach.

The decision is arguably harsh on Vranes who, at present, has the Sharks at the top of the table and in line for their first domestic league title. Central also retained the 2014 First Citizens Cup under the former Trinidad and Tobago World Youth Cup coach.

However, the Sharks were experiencing a mini-blip after a 1-1 draw to Defence Force on Saturday and a TTFA FA Trophy semi-final defeat to bitter rivals, DIRECTV W Connection, last week.

Harrison admitted that it was not a unanimous decision.

At the end of the day, the (Central) board did say the team was top of the league and doing quite well but it was more about getting the pieces in the right places, said Harrison, who is also British. With George not being there and our Easter camps and so on coming up, we needed more experienced hands to take care of our academy.

Vranes developmental role has been pretty good and then you had Terrys record last season of 17 games unbeaten. It seemed a better fit.

Harrison said Central was not put off by Fenwicks disastrous spell at Vis, which led to the Pro League team paying to bring its players back and then offering them stipends while they waited for the January transfer window to open.

Terry was just an employee of the club, he wasnt making decisions there, said Harrison. In fact, Terry was trying to intercede on behalf of the players If I say we will pay you this much money and the board runs out of money, it isnt my fault. That would be blaming the messenger

I think the team is excited because a lot of them had a good relationship with Terry. If Vranes was fired that might be different because a lot of players like Vranes and enjoy working with him. They actually have an extra coach now rather than losing one.

Harrison rebuffed rumours that Sancho personally signed off on Fenwicks return, despite the Sport Ministers claim he was no longer involved with Central so as to avoid a potential conflict of interest.

Brents heart will always be with Central but we have a board in place and there is a degree of separation, said Harrison. I cant say we will never ask for his advice or opinion Central FC will always be his baby and it is hard to totally detach yourself.

But there must be a degree of separation and, in this case, it was my decision.

Harrison declined to name the members of the Central FC board.

Id rather not, he said. I think theyd rather sit in the background.

Fenwick confirmed his return to Central FC but did not comment further up until the time of publication.

The Englishman, who captained Tottenham Spurs and Crystal Palace in the English top flight and is a former Portsmouth manager, first came to Trinidad in 2001. He led CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh to back to back league titles in 2002 and 2003 before returning to England for a short and unmemorable stint with lower league team, Northampton.

He returned to Jabloteh in 2005 anddespite walking off the job twice due to work disputeshelped the club to two more league titles in 2007 and 2008 and, even after the Clico turmoil, still helped the San Juan Kings to a FA Trophy before he left for good in 2011.

Two years later, he took over from compatriot and ex-Chelsea coach, Graham Rix, at fledgling club, Central, and led them to them to the First Citizen Cup and Lucozade Goal Shield crowns.

Now, he has rejoined the Sharks again with the team trying to stave off defending champions and bitter rivals, W Connection. Cue fireworks.

Title: Re: Fenwicks back! Feisty Englishman makes shock return to Central FC
Post by: Bakes on March 24, 2015, 05:44:06 PM
Quote
Harrison declined to name the members of the Central FC board.

Id rather not, he said. I think theyd rather sit in the background.

Interesting...
Title: Re: Fenwicks back! Feisty Englishman makes shock return to Central FC
Post by: asylumseeker on March 24, 2015, 06:29:41 PM
Never a dull moment.
Title: Re: Fenwicks back! Feisty Englishman makes shock return to Central FC
Post by: Jack Horner on March 24, 2015, 06:46:14 PM
Quote
Harrison declined to name the members of the Central FC board.

Id rather not, he said. I think theyd rather sit in the background.

Interesting...

Ha...  :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

They remind me of TTFF under Camps and now the TTFA.

Blind, firing coaches for friends. Vranes is the reason why they are tops right now and they fire him for Sancho buddy a KKK coach.

Central operating very unprofessional.

Kevin and Sancho will destroy sports in T&T, cant wait for election.

Sancho only worry about facilities.

He have a chance to help ballers in T&T but only barking.

Central firing coach for no reason to accommodate a racists and giving Vranes a meaningless TD work to keep him happy.

Fenwick screw up 4 T&T players in Belgium because he operating like a double agent and now he back in T&T.

Only in T&T where they afraid of the English man.

Kevin Harrison is a leach.

He have no teeth and sucking Kamla cabinet dry.

Title: Re: Fenwicks back! Feisty Englishman makes shock return to Central FC
Post by: Sam on March 25, 2015, 05:08:42 PM
So Vranes lead Central to first place and only 3 lost for the season and they fire ship him out to TD position to hire Fenwick who screwed up four Central players and try to squeeze agent money from them.

Vranes is so close to winning de title and they move him. And now Fenwick go come in and take credit if Central win de title.

Talk about a Jack Warner move.

Sancho learn good under Jack.

Is de way they does do things does f00cking piss me of, like how they handle Roopie to.

I hope when Fenwick jumps ship again for money in some foreign country Vranes say no to de job if they offer him back, then again, he looking for wok years now in T&T, they treating him de same way years now, from Joe Public to de TTFF.

Next thing, allyuh go see Fenwick coaching T&T football team once Sancho stay as MOS.

Title: Re: Fenwicks back! Feisty Englishman makes shock return to Central FC
Post by: KND2 on March 26, 2015, 04:38:46 PM
If varnes had an issue with it he would not take the TD job.
these men know what they doing they all on the same team

they is trinidad football lifers not born in tnt but gave so much to the game in tnt.

TnT is a sweet place to work and make money if it was not so why would they be there.

It have men born right they in trinidad that not willing to step up and be professional and do the job.

Title: Re: Fenwicks back! Feisty Englishman makes shock return to Central FC
Post by: elan on March 26, 2015, 05:04:48 PM
If varnes had an issue with it he would not take the TD job.
these men know what they doing they all on the same team

they is trinidad football lifers not born in tnt but gave so much to the game in tnt.

TnT is a sweet place to work and make money if it was not so why would they be there.

It have men born right they in trinidad that not willing to step up and be professional and do the job.




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Title: Re: Fenwicks back! Feisty Englishman makes shock return to Central FC
Post by: Flex on March 28, 2015, 02:43:13 AM
Central FC explain Fenwick for Vranes switch
T&T Newsday Reports.


CENTRAL FC, the Digicel Pro League leaders, surprised the local football community on Wednesday when they announced the return of Terry Fenwick to the Sharks as coach.

The Englishman, who led Central FC on an unbeaten 17-match run last season, departed to Belgium in the summer to take charge of CS Vise. However, the Belgian club ran into financial difficulties and Fenwick opted to leave the club and return to Trinidad.

The club faced several challenges after Director of Youth and Womens Football, George Romano suffered a stroke, said Central FC manager Kevin Jeffrey, in a media release issued yesterday. Naturally, losing George temporarily has left a huge gap to fill. Given his outstanding record of youth development, the board wanted Zoran Vranes to have more input in that area.

Jeffrey said that it was impossible for Vranes to coach five teams and oversee the clubs plans to develop a youth academy.

When the board saw that Terry was available, it seemed a perfect fit. Terry knows eighty percent of the players very well, so there would be no transitional period, hell hit the ground running.

Vranes, who built a solid reputation coaching the national Under-17 and Under-20 teams, has had a successful season at Central FC lifting the First Citizens Cup, Rawle Fletcher Cup and Akeem Adams Cup and spending the majority of the season on top of the Pro League.

Zoran has done a remarkable job at Central this season, said Jeffrey. Hes a favourite with the players, staff and supporters and is very much part of the fabric of Central FC. I know that he relishes his new appointment as technical director and will lead the way in developing the next generation of Central FC and national team players. His passion is with developing young players and his temperament and approach suit the role perfectly.

Meanwhile, the Couva-based club announced the Central FC Chuck E Cheese Easter Camp, in association with the Mayor of Chaguanas Gopaul Boodhan, which will take place at Lange Park from April 7-10. The camp will cater for children between the ages of six and 12.

Registration takes place on Tuesday at 9 am, at a cost of $300 per person.

We are delighted to partner with Chuck E Cheese and the Mayor of Chaguanas in this camp, said Jeffrey. It will see the launch of a weekly Central FC Chuck E Cheese coaching school at Lange Park as well as a free Soccer Sircus which will visit areas throughout the Central regions on Saturday afternoons.

Jeffrey applauded Chuck E Cheese for their support of the camp and coaching school. Were expecting Chuck E Cheese to visit the camp in person as well as many of Central FC players, so it will be a lot of fun for the kids.

Title: Re: Fenwicks back! Feisty Englishman makes shock return to Central FC
Post by: injunchile on March 28, 2015, 01:16:40 PM
I was looking for Football Supporter to enlighten us as to this development. The  silence is not in keeping with his track record of giving us the inside story and the facts. Or is he in shock? It also raises the question - what is the criteria foe success among our local clubs. Who makes the decision about firing the coach?
Title: Re: Fenwicks back! Feisty Englishman makes shock return to Central FC
Post by: Football supporter on March 28, 2015, 01:31:36 PM
I was looking for Football Supporter to enlighten us as to this development. The  silence is not in keeping with his track record of giving us the inside story and the facts. Or is he in shock? It also raises the question - what is the criteria foe success among our local clubs. Who makes the decision about firing the coach?

No coach has been fired. A certain amount of restructuring was required following on from the tragedy that struck George Romano. With 50% of staff travelling overseas for the CCC, changes had to be made.
Title: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: SWF Reporter on June 25, 2015, 04:01:59 PM
Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes among possibilities as new coach
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868.com)


Caribbean and Pro League champions, Central FC, are on the hunt for a new head coach after failing to agree terms with Englishman, Terry Fenwick, who steered the Couva Sharks to the 2015 Caribbean Club Championship and Digicel Pro Bowl titles and led the team for their last three Pro League outings, as they wrapped up the domestic crown.

Fenwick joined the Sharks in 2013 and led them to second place and a Caribbean Club Championship spot for the first time before he departed in June 2014 for a brief and disastrous stint with financially-ailing lower league Belgium club, CV Vise.

He replaced his own successor at Central, Serbian Zoran Vranes, in March 2015 and completed their League chase and added two more titles for good measure in as many months.

But the relationship between the two parties looks to have come to an abrupt end once more.

The outspoken coach, who was an England 1986 World Cup player, said he was in negotiations with Central for a new deal over the past month. However, he hinted that the two sides did not see eye-to-eye on the administrative state of the club.

Just after noon today, the Central board informed Fenwick, via email, that he would not receive a new contract.

I turned an offer down (from Central) 10 days ago and I gave them a ballpark at what im looking at, Fenwick told Wired868. But the situation is that at a time when the club has had such success and gotten a wonderful draw in the Champions League, there is a lot of disarray behind the scenes

It is not just my contract. None of the staff are signed up and most of the players are out of contract.

Central operations director Kevin Harrison said he was not involved in Fenwicks contract negotiations but suggested that the matter was a failed contract negotiation.

(Fenwick) met with the board and I suppose what ever he wanted wasnt met and he is gone, said Harrison. Without a doubt we wanted him to continue but presumably we couldnt agree to the terms he wanted and that was that.

Centrals close season featured a near mutiny by its players over bonus payments while nearly half the first team squad and the entire coaching staff is out of contract. And the Sharks will play their first Champions League game in less than two months.

Fenwick expressed frustration with the administrative state of the club.

There is no understanding at what goes into making a successful team at board level, he said, and I am not prepared to continue with no staff and no players while we get closer to what is a huge game for Trinidad and Tobago football (against LA Galaxy).

I wanted to start pre-season on Monday (June 29) and I would have wanted to be close to a full squad as possible The club is in no shape or form ready for a CONCACAF draw against Galaxy.

However, Harrison denied Central was in turmoil and claimed that their post-season sluggishness was a result of the drawn out contract negotiations with Fenwick. He said the Sharks hoped to have a head coach in place before they began signing support staff and players.

Until the deal with Terry was agreed, we couldnt agree contracts for coaching staff or players, said Harrison. If there is any delay on the part of Central FC, it was because of the delay with Terry. So now we will look for a new coach.

Harrison, who is also British, said talks have begun with their coaching staff from last season and he suggested that any one from Dale Saunders, Kevin Jeffrey, Marc Leslie, George Romano or Anthony Rougier were fully capable of starting Centrals pre-season training.

He revealed that Central board is likely to talk to its former head coach, Vranes, before interviewing new candidates. At present, Vranes is the Trinidad and Tobago National Under-23 Team head coach although he has not been paid by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFA).

The Serbian was shafted to allow Fenwick to carry the Sharks to glory last season. Harrison did not quite remember that way, though.

We didnt replace him, we moved him within the club, said Harrison. He did a fantastic job last year and we will be mad not to talk to him. You only have to look at his record last year to see that

But for now, I just want to know what his goal for the future is. We clearly cannot have a coach or technical director who is not available for us by the end of July.

The Under-23 Team will be at the Toronto 2015 Pan American Games in mid-July. And, if they advance from their Caribbean preliminary group, the Warriors face their next round of 2016 Olympic qualifiers in August.

Central FC have never hired a local coach. The clubs first appointment was Englishman Graham Rix who was followed by Fenwick, Vranes and Fenwick again.

Harrison suggested that Fenwick and Vranes could be considered Trinis by now but claimed the Sharks have interviewed locals and would not rule out hiring a head coach who was born in Trinidad and Tobago. And that includes this countrys most capped outfield player, Angus Eve, who just left his post at the helm of North East Stars.

Either way, Harrison claimed there was no panic at Central.

We will sit down with Vranes to see what his situation is and we would not rule out having him as coach, technical director or caretaker, he said. There are several coaches who we will look to talk to, although there is no one in mind at the moment. But there is no panic.

There will be certain staff that we will offer contracts to early next week and they will be able to take over training and get everything nice and stabilised. So when the players come back from the Gold Cup, everything is in place for them.

Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Sam on June 25, 2015, 04:04:30 PM
Vranes is like a hand me down coach...

 :rotfl: :rotfl:

What a f00cking yoyo...

Like Fenwick want back he $50,000 a month.

How come Kevin Harrison never involved in anything but involved in everything...  :devil:

Sancho is becoming a real Jack Warner boy.

This will affect their chances in the the CCL.

Anytime a T&T team do good its always some comess coming with it.

Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: asylumseeker on June 25, 2015, 05:27:11 PM
gb8702 ... the gig is yours.
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Deeks on June 25, 2015, 05:47:29 PM
Honestly, I did not see that coming. But I do know Central better be prepared for LA. Or else they will be fried-shark. Seriously, not joking
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Bakes on June 25, 2015, 06:18:41 PM
How come Kevin Harrison never involved in anything but involved in everything...  :devil:

Yuh see it?! lol
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: vb on June 25, 2015, 07:44:15 PM
How come Kevin Harrison never involved in anything but involved in everything...  :devil:

Yuh see it?! lol

 :beermug: :)
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: socalion on June 25, 2015, 08:16:42 PM
Kevin harrison  if nobody eh say it.....  i go say it...  yuh  real deceitful,  yuh damn well know whats ip and involve  so doh come wid de nonsense .... who yuh tink yuh fooling!!!
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Football supporter on June 25, 2015, 11:34:01 PM
Kevin harrison  if nobody eh say it.....  i go say it...  yuh  real deceitful,  yuh damn well know whats ip and involve  so doh come wid de nonsense .... who yuh tink yuh fooling!!!

Explain please????
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Football supporter on June 25, 2015, 11:41:24 PM
Is this becoming a PNM site?

Why are you not asking the same questions of Daryl Mahabir at North East?

A coach has every right to ask for a salary and a club has every right to work within it's budget.

No business, whether football. manufacturing or services can agree to contracts it cannot fulfill. Terry was contracted until 31st May and did a great job. Central F.C. would have liked to keep him on board. However, the club couldn't meet his terms.

So both parties have to move on.

And all this talk of players our of contract ......Central still have the best squad in T&T and will be adding to it.
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: asylumseeker on June 25, 2015, 11:57:44 PM
Case of the club's budget not being in stride with the expectations created by its ambitions and success?
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Bakes on June 26, 2015, 01:20:14 AM
Is this becoming a PNM site?

A most curious comment... how did politics (and the PNM, specifically) reach in this?
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Flex on June 26, 2015, 02:19:17 AM
Central and Fenwick part ways
T&T Newsday Reports.


CENTRAL FC, the Caribbean and Pro League champions, Central FC are in the market for a new head coach, according to a report appearing on Wired868 on Thursday evening.

The report said the club failed to agree terms with Terry Fenwick, the Englishmen who steered the Couva Sharks to the 2015 Caribbean Club Championship and Digicel Pro Bowl titles and led the team for their final three as they wrapped up the domestic (TT Pro League) championship.

I turned an offer down (from Central) ten days ago and I gave them a ballpark at what Im looking at, the report quotes Fenwick.

But the situation is that at a time when the club has had such success and gotten a wonderful draw in the Champions League, there is a lot of disarray behind the scenes

It is not just my contract. None of the staff are signed up and most of the players are out of contract.

Fenwick was informed by email at noon yesterday that he would not be receiving a contract. It is also rumoured that the entire coaching staff out of contract Fenwick also expressed frustration that preparation has not started for the clubs first Champions League fixture, against the LA Galaxy in less than two months.

I wanted to start pre-season on Monday (June 29) and I would have wanted to be close to a full squad as possible, Fenwick told Wired.

The club is in no shape or form ready for a Concacaf draw against Galaxy.

Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Errol on June 26, 2015, 04:06:26 AM
Vranes have to be a dodo to accept that job.

First, he basically made them won the title and Fenwick came in with a few game left and acting like he did all of this.

Vranes was just swept aside as coach and given a TD job with the club. A position that is basically a none factor.

He then took the job to coach T&T Under 23 team while still holding the TD post for Central, a team (U23) that is punished by none other than Central CEO and now Central wants him back.

Why should he be disrespected and then run back but knowing Vranes, he cannot say no, Jack Warner had him the same way. Sancho obviously have the markings of another Warner.

Angus Eve on the other hand is a stubborn guy and will more or less be another Fenwick as once things start running good he will demand more, remember, Fenwick his is mentor.

I do like Kevin Harrision and most of the times I read his post but I find since Sancho became MOS it has taken away from Kevin and now he is a politician's right hand man who is fighting to stay in T&T and is caught in the crossfire, lord alone knows why he would want to stay in a country with so much controversies.

Sancho will bring him down if he doesn't watch himself. He has built a good name with Central and I hope he does not loose it.

Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Bourbon on June 26, 2015, 04:44:11 AM
Is this becoming a PNM site?

A most curious comment... how did politics (and the PNM, specifically) reach in this?


I wondering that myself. WDMC? Seems like a common tactic...anything remotely seen to be against anything that associated with the government is automatically PNM. But...this supposed to be a Pro- League team...a private entity... :-\

I really dont understand. Yesterday on the radio Fenwick said that in addition to negotiations (which, apparently preliminary offers were made) he had an issue with the plan for CL preparation. Something like 13 first team players would have been out of contract. Why all this necessary? Really?

I find myself wishing Vranes blanks it.

I dunno how Eve would take it..but...he might.
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Football supporter on June 26, 2015, 05:32:35 AM
Is this becoming a PNM site?  I guess I said this out of frustration. It seems that anytime my name is mentioned since Sancho took office I'm described as "deceitful" etc What is deceitful about not agreeing to a coaches demands?

As I said, why didn't people ask these questions of Mahabir?  But the answers are so obvious. Terry has requested a figure that is unrealistic. Until we appoint another coach, it makes no sense signing players wholesale as the new coach may want some different players. We have an excellent core squad under contract and just need to add one or two additional quality players. The transfer window does not open until next week, so there is no rush.

As for staff, the majority will be remaining. However, we can't give a contract to an assistant coach as, again, the new coach may want to bring his own assistant (just like Terry did when he first joined) So the coaches will stay but we cannot confirm their job titles yet. 

Preseason was planned to begin next week and that will probably still be the case with our coaches beginning fitness programmes. This will give us 5 weeks preseason before Champions league begins.

 As for Vranes, it is common for a Technical Director to caretake the coaches role in between appointments if required.

No scene.
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Tiresais on June 26, 2015, 06:45:35 AM
Vranes needs to be paid first and foremost, so I'd probably not turn it down in his position if the reports about his lack of pay as U23 manager are true. Besides, he knows the club and people and was successful so far.
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: asylumseeker on June 26, 2015, 07:04:08 AM
Have any players been identifed as released from the club?
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: asylumseeker on June 26, 2015, 07:24:59 AM
Is this becoming a PNM site?  I guess I said this out of frustration. It seems that anytime my name is mentioned since Sancho took office I'm described as "deceitful" etc What is deceitful about not agreeing to a coaches demands?

...

At the risk of stating the obvious, the deceit alleged refers to what you say you know or don't know (or were involved in or not involved in). But your answer actually provides the indictment.
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: AB.Trini on June 26, 2015, 07:30:45 AM
Blame it on the PNM!  FSthis is far from a political site as it is more a foru to speak out agNist the " rubbish" that spews out of malcontent , incompetent and self serving I dividualswho seem bent on destroying and bleeding the coffers of TnT dry at the expense of people.
Now do owners deserve a ROI on their investment? Yes by all means - it's a business!  If a team is successful and have claimed huge prize money, should players expect some percentage or some good will bonus? What would a caring ethical management do?
How did it feel Sancho to be denied funds after 2006? and what did you win? How'd idiot feel to get the  government cheque?
Yuh think Fenwick is not privy to the monetary gains that management is playing with? Wanting a larger piece of the lie is natural- kinda like fly to honey.

The moral of the story- greed shall be the downfall of them all ot Not the PNM! Lol

Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Sando on June 26, 2015, 08:03:42 AM
I met one of the Central players and he said they want to know about their future as some of them contracts are about to end, they also said that if Fenwick doesn't come back some of them are planning to boycott.

They said they would not play for Angus Eve.

Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Jumbie on June 26, 2015, 08:48:53 AM
I met one of the Central players and he said they want to know about their future as some of them contracts are about to end, they also said that if Fenwick doesn't come back some of them are planning to boycott.

They said they would not play for Angus Eve.



not sure if you're an agent or rep players in some manner or the other. But this rather unprofessional. That is club and player business and should not make it on the street as in this case here. Plus you concerned about your contract/future but you done talking bout not wanting to play for AE?



Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: MEP on June 26, 2015, 11:10:56 AM
Is this becoming a PNM site?

Why are you not asking the same questions of Daryl Mahabir at North East?

A coach has every right to ask for a salary and a club has every right to work within it's budget.

No business, whether football. manufacturing or services can agree to contracts it cannot fulfill. Terry was contracted until 31st May and did a great job. Central F.C. would have liked to keep him on board. However, the club couldn't meet his terms.

So both parties have to move on.

And all this talk of players our of contract ......Central still have the best squad in T&T and will be adding to it.
You sir are a compounded jackass!!! for you to imply that this is becoming a PNM site means that you have drunk from the Koolaid....
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: kounty on June 26, 2015, 11:21:12 AM
Is this becoming a PNM site?  I guess I said this out of frustration. It seems that anytime my name is mentioned since Sancho took office I'm described as "deceitful" etc What is deceitful about not agreeing to a coaches demands?

As I said, why didn't people ask these questions of Mahabir?  But the answers are so obvious. Terry has requested a figure that is unrealistic. Until we appoint another coach, it makes no sense signing players wholesale as the new coach may want some different players. We have an excellent core squad under contract and just need to add one or two additional quality players. The transfer window does not open until next week, so there is no rush.

As for staff, the majority will be remaining. However, we can't give a contract to an assistant coach as, again, the new coach may want to bring his own assistant (just like Terry did when he first joined) So the coaches will stay but we cannot confirm their job titles yet. 

Preseason was planned to begin next week and that will probably still be the case with our coaches beginning fitness programmes. This will give us 5 weeks preseason before Champions league begins.

 As for Vranes, it is common for a Technical Director to caretake the coaches role in between appointments if required.

No scene.
do your thing bro. don't let too much people here get under your skin. already you do more than your fair share plus more for t&t football and posting on this site...misstep here and there but keep it 100.
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: weary1969 on June 26, 2015, 11:41:05 AM
Is this becoming a PNM site?  I guess I said this out of frustration. It seems that anytime my name is mentioned since Sancho took office I'm described as "deceitful" etc What is deceitful about not agreeing to a coaches demands?

As I said, why didn't people ask these questions of Mahabir?  But the answers are so obvious. Terry has requested a figure that is unrealistic. Until we appoint another coach, it makes no sense signing players wholesale as the new coach may want some different players. We have an excellent core squad under contract and just need to add one or two additional quality players. The transfer window does not open until next week, so there is no rush.

As for staff, the majority will be remaining. However, we can't give a contract to an assistant coach as, again, the new coach may want to bring his own assistant (just like Terry did when he first joined) So the coaches will stay but we cannot confirm their job titles yet. 

Preseason was planned to begin next week and that will probably still be the case with our coaches beginning fitness programmes. This will give us 5 weeks preseason before Champions league begins.

 As for Vranes, it is common for a Technical Director to caretake the coaches role in between appointments if required.

No scene.
do your thing bro. don't let too much people here get under your skin. already you do more than your fair share plus more for t&t football and posting on this site...misstep here and there but keep it 100.

Thank You Larry
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: King Deese on June 26, 2015, 01:00:22 PM
So you and Central FC want to represent the Red, White and Black in a tournament that, believe it or not, you and Central FC are not ready for nor will you be ready for. You are just another 3 easy points. Houdini couldn't help your football club if he was your head coach. Better yet, why don't you and your club save us the frustration and the embarrassment and don't show up.
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Football supporter on June 26, 2015, 01:34:22 PM
So you and Central FC want to represent the Red, White and Black in a tournament that, believe it or not, you and Central FC are not ready for nor will you be ready for. You are just another 3 easy points. Houdini couldn't help your football club if he was your head coach. Better yet, why don't you and your club save us the frustration and the embarrassment and don't show up.

In what way is Central F.C. not ready? I'm not sure, but I don't think any team who qualified for Champions League began pre season in June?
 
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Football supporter on June 26, 2015, 01:40:55 PM
Is this becoming a PNM site?

Why are you not asking the same questions of Daryl Mahabir at North East?

A coach has every right to ask for a salary and a club has every right to work within it's budget.

No business, whether football. manufacturing or services can agree to contracts it cannot fulfill. Terry was contracted until 31st May and did a great job. Central F.C. would have liked to keep him on board. However, the club couldn't meet his terms.

So both parties have to move on.

And all this talk of players our of contract ......Central still have the best squad in T&T and will be adding to it.
You sir are a compounded jackass!!! for you to imply that this is becoming a PNM site means that you have drunk from the Koolaid....

Apparently, I am allowed to make comments. There are many incorrect and mischievous statements made here. If I can be accused of being deceitful, why can't I suggest some posters may have a political stance?

How come Kevin Harrison never involved in anything but involved in everything...  :devil:

Yuh see it?! lol


As Terry stated, he chose to bypass me and negotiate directly with the Board. Of course, I was advised of the state of those negotiations. Seems fairly straight forward to me.
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: MEP on June 26, 2015, 02:00:44 PM
who owns Central FC again? can you remind me
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Controversial on June 26, 2015, 02:56:56 PM
who owns Central FC again? can you remind me

speaking about duplicity, how about your comments referring to individuals of my ilk??? care to answer my question, what you meant by that??

can you answer please...
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Controversial on June 26, 2015, 03:01:41 PM
Is this becoming a PNM site?

Why are you not asking the same questions of Daryl Mahabir at North East?

A coach has every right to ask for a salary and a club has every right to work within it's budget.

No business, whether football. manufacturing or services can agree to contracts it cannot fulfill. Terry was contracted until 31st May and did a great job. Central F.C. would have liked to keep him on board. However, the club couldn't meet his terms.

So both parties have to move on.

And all this talk of players our of contract ......Central still have the best squad in T&T and will be adding to it.
You sir are a compounded jackass!!! for you to imply that this is becoming a PNM site means that you have drunk from the Koolaid....

Apparently, I am allowed to make comments. There are many incorrect and mischievous statements made here. If I can be accused of being deceitful, why can't I suggest some posters may have a political stance?

How come Kevin Harrison never involved in anything but involved in everything...  :devil:

Yuh see it?! lol


As Terry stated, he chose to bypass me and negotiate directly with the Board. Of course, I was advised of the state of those negotiations. Seems fairly straight forward to me.

so only now you have figured out that there are ardent pro PNM supporters towing the party line on here???

How long it take you to realize that, before or after they attacked you???

my fight for neutrality and pro TT football on sw.net is drowned out by many insecure and brainwashed individuals that cling together in solidarity not to support or strengthen our nation and football, but themselves and their political affiliations..

 
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: MEP on June 26, 2015, 04:19:38 PM
who owns Central FC again? can you remind me

speaking about duplicity, how about your comments referring to individuals of my ilk??? care to answer my question, what you meant by that??

can you answer please...
keep proving yuhself
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: King Deese on June 26, 2015, 04:38:15 PM
You don't think? Once again you are not thinking. I don't know which is more dangerous, you don't thinking or you thinkng. To complicate matters, you don't know what's going at your own club but you pretend to know that nobody is preparing in June for a tournament that starts sooner than you think. That doesn't surprise me. You are following a pattern of Trini clubs that don't know how to prepare for success. So I will say it again. That flag that you want to carry is heavier than you think.
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Deeks on June 26, 2015, 05:37:32 PM
Is this becoming a PNM site?

Why are you not asking the same questions of Daryl Mahabir at North East?

A coach has every right to ask for a salary and a club has every right to work within it's budget.

No business, whether football. manufacturing or services can agree to contracts it cannot fulfill. Terry was contracted until 31st May and did a great job. Central F.C. would have liked to keep him on board. However, the club couldn't meet his terms.

So both parties have to move on.

And all this talk of players our of contract ......Central still have the best squad in T&T and will be adding to it.
You sir are a compounded jackass!!! for you to imply that this is becoming a PNM site means that you have drunk from the Koolaid....

Apparently, I am allowed to make comments. There are many incorrect and mischievous statements made here. If I can be accused of being deceitful, why can't I suggest some posters may have a political stance?

How come Kevin Harrison never involved in anything but involved in everything...  :devil:

Yuh see it?! lol


As Terry stated, he chose to bypass me and negotiate directly with the Board. Of course, I was advised of the state of those negotiations. Seems fairly straight forward to me.

so only now you have figured out that there are ardent pro PNM supporters towing the party line on here???

How long it take you to realize that, before or after they attacked you???

my fight for neutrality and pro TT football on sw.net is drowned out by many insecure and brainwashed individuals that cling together in solidarity not to support or strengthen our nation and football, but themselves and their political affiliations..

 

Contro, Breds,  our football was in a mess with Jack for over 20 yrs. It became a political football when he joined the UNC. Well, what do you expect from some on this forum? Rejoice??!!!  It was obvious they would excruciate the UNC. How could this party(with its platform of ending corruption) allow this man to join their party,  knowing full well of his pass in football corruption.

 Well, you or anyone on the other side, can say he is free to associate with which ever party he wants. And you know what, that is correct. So when members start blasting the UNC, you find they drinking PNM koolaide.  Contro, this man acted as PM, you hear PM, on a number of occasions. Would you put Jack in that position if you were the PM, knowing of his checkered pass. He was untouchable because he was a FIFA official. And he became double untouchable when he became a UNC MP.
 
And what making matters worse, Tim is the mayor of POS, and PNM treasurer. Is Tim Kee getting a free pass from the forum? Check the posts on Tim Kee. Most forumites want him gone. He gets pilloried by most forumites.
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Controversial on June 26, 2015, 06:00:34 PM
who owns Central FC again? can you remind me

speaking about duplicity, how about your comments referring to individuals of my ilk??? care to answer my question, what you meant by that??

can you answer please...
keep proving yuhself

didn't realize you insane enough to talk to yourself... answer the question... you afraid???
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Controversial on June 26, 2015, 06:05:49 PM
Is this becoming a PNM site?

Why are you not asking the same questions of Daryl Mahabir at North East?

A coach has every right to ask for a salary and a club has every right to work within it's budget.

No business, whether football. manufacturing or services can agree to contracts it cannot fulfill. Terry was contracted until 31st May and did a great job. Central F.C. would have liked to keep him on board. However, the club couldn't meet his terms.

So both parties have to move on.

And all this talk of players our of contract ......Central still have the best squad in T&T and will be adding to it.
You sir are a compounded jackass!!! for you to imply that this is becoming a PNM site means that you have drunk from the Koolaid....

Apparently, I am allowed to make comments. There are many incorrect and mischievous statements made here. If I can be accused of being deceitful, why can't I suggest some posters may have a political stance?

How come Kevin Harrison never involved in anything but involved in everything...  :devil:

Yuh see it?! lol


As Terry stated, he chose to bypass me and negotiate directly with the Board. Of course, I was advised of the state of those negotiations. Seems fairly straight forward to me.

so only now you have figured out that there are ardent pro PNM supporters towing the party line on here???

How long it take you to realize that, before or after they attacked you???

my fight for neutrality and pro TT football on sw.net is drowned out by many insecure and brainwashed individuals that cling together in solidarity not to support or strengthen our nation and football, but themselves and their political affiliations..

 

Contro, Breds,  our football was in a mess with Jack for over 20 yrs. It became a political football when he joined the UNC. Well, what do you expect from some on this forum? Rejoice??!!!  It was obvious they would excruciate the UNC. How could this party(with its platform of ending corruption) allow this man to join their party,  knowing full well of his pass in football corruption.

 Well, you or anyone on the other side, can say he is free to associate with which ever party he wants. And you know what, that is correct. So when members start blasting the UNC, you find they drinking PNM koolaide.  Contro, this man acted as PM, you hear PM, on a number of occasions. Would you put Jack in that position if you were the PM, knowing of his checkered pass. He was untouchable because he was a FIFA official. And he became double untouchable when he became a UNC MP.
 
And what making matters worse, Tim is the mayor of POS, and PNM treasurer. Is Tim Kee getting a free pass from the forum? Check the posts on Tim Kee. Most forumites want him gone. He gets pilloried by most forumites.

brother, what was JW before he became UNC ??? Only when he became a UNC supporter did the attacks become even more ferocious than before and continued... I don't agree with what UNC did and they were hypocritical to do so but PNM was doing the same donkey years now , so how are they any different???

There are certain members on this site who are not asking for the removal of tim kee, check the posts and see if they are pushing hard, in fact, alot of them who support PNM are mute or have very little criticism but when they wake up in the morning and sign in on the board, they coming at sancho with full force...

once again brother, i am pro TT and pro progress for TT football.. i don't give a damn about PNM or UNC... i leave that for the small minded posters who actually feel politics in TT is real, when in fact it's theatrics to manipulate the ignorant and uneducated masses who choose to believe in their false prophets, spewing their false messages..
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Football supporter on June 27, 2015, 08:44:41 AM
who owns Central FC again? can you remind me

I think you know this as this issue was raised back in February. Brent Sancho is the club owner, but once he took office he stepped back from day to day involvement. Do we talk about Central? Of course. Many M.P.s have businesses that they step back from when in office.
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Football supporter on June 27, 2015, 08:58:10 AM
You don't think? Once again you are not thinking. I don't know which is more dangerous, you don't thinking or you thinkng. To complicate matters, you don't know what's going at your own club but you pretend to know that nobody is preparing in June for a tournament that starts sooner than you think. That doesn't surprise me. You are following a pattern of Trini clubs that don't know how to prepare for success. So I will say it again. That flag that you want to carry is heavier than you think.

KD, I am scared shitless of the Champions League. I've never organised a game with a potential attendance of 20,000. Nobody currently active in T&T football has organised a game with a global TV audience of such magnitude, not even TTFA. But again. you're statements are feeding of articles in the press that aren't accurate. Carry on believing them if you want, but you know that journalists regularly get things wrong. I had a long chat with Lasana when he called for my comments. He only put a fraction into his article. Why? Because there is no news if a club is in good shape. We can field a team of contracted players right now who would probably beat any Pro League team. When the new coach is appointed he will decide on who stays and who comes in. I won't sign players that a coach may not select. Makes no sense. Look how Drogba and deSilva sat on the bench for 6 months from January 14. Yet this season they played virtually every game.

As for staff, we have a great bunch of coaches who will begin pre season. Also, all contracted players are having their visa status confirmed now. Once the new coach arrives, designated positions such as Asst Coach, Reserve Coach etc will be assigned.

I get very defensive at the moment because these same questions are not being asked about other clubs. Has anybody asked Terry what his terms were that Central refused to meet? Coz I'm damn certain you would understand why we didn't resign him. Maybe it's because Central are the top club, however, me, being paranoid, feel that certain people here just want to attack me or Sancho for political reasons. Maybe I am being paranoid.
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: vb on June 27, 2015, 11:12:04 AM
who owns Central FC again? can you remind me

I think you know this as this issue was raised back in February. Brent Sancho is the club owner, but once he took office he stepped back from day to day involvement. Do we talk about Central? Of course. Many M.P.s have businesses that they step back from when in office.

Sorry but that's a rubbish excuse. He should not be put in a position to compromise himself.
It's like Buxo Potts "advising" the BBC but managing/training fighters.
Like when Warner "advised" the TTFF but his son "owned" Joe Public.

We have to wait and see if Sancho makes decision re. CFC and hope it's done in an arbitrary manner. He never should have been put in this position. But this TT land of the assholes. Brent seems to be doing a decent job as MOS but you DON'T  put ppl in a position where they can be compromised. But we in TT take it so.

VB
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: MEP on June 27, 2015, 12:51:10 PM
who owns Central FC again? can you remind me

speaking about duplicity, how about your comments referring to individuals of my ilk??? care to answer my question, what you meant by that??

can you answer please...
keep proving yuhself

didn't realize you insane enough to talk to yourself... answer the question... you afraid???
it bothering you eh? good let it bother you.....
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Controversial on June 28, 2015, 02:16:37 PM
who owns Central FC again? can you remind me

speaking about duplicity, how about your comments referring to individuals of my ilk??? care to answer my question, what you meant by that??

can you answer please...
keep proving yuhself

didn't realize you insane enough to talk to yourself... answer the question... you afraid???
it bothering you eh? good let it bother you.....

nothing bothering me fellah, just waiting for you to expose yourself for who you really are and what you really think... ;)
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: AB.Trini on June 28, 2015, 05:45:30 PM
Is this becoming a PNM site?

Why are you not asking the same questions of Daryl Mahabir at North East?

A coach has every right to ask for a salary and a club has every right to work within it's budget.

No business, whether football. manufacturing or services can agree to contracts it cannot fulfill. Terry was contracted until 31st May and did a great job. Central F.C. would have liked to keep him on board. However, the club couldn't meet his terms.

So both parties have to move on.

And all this talk of players our of contract ......Central still have the best squad in T&T and will be adding to it.
You sir are a compounded jackass!!! for you to imply that this is becoming a PNM site means that you have drunk from the Koolaid....

Apparently, I am allowed to make comments. There are many incorrect and mischievous statements made here. If I can be accused of being deceitful, why can't I suggest some posters may have a political stance?

How come Kevin Harrison never involved in anything but involved in everything...  :devil:

Yuh see it?! lol


As Terry stated, he chose to bypass me and negotiate directly with the Board. Of course, I was advised of the state of those negotiations. Seems fairly straight forward to me.

so only now you have figured out that there are ardent pro PNM supporters towing the party line on here???

How long it take you to realize that, before or after they attacked you???

my fight for neutrality and pro TT football on sw.net is drowned out by many insecure and brainwashed individuals that cling together in solidarity not to support or strengthen our nation and football, but themselves and their political affiliations..

 
What a preposterous judgement and absurb conclusion to come to- what gains could anyone get here by touting a particular party line?
Look when yuh see nonsense be it from Tom Dick or Kathy  you call it as you see fit. I am more appalled by people who seem to be avoiding the non action on the government of the major issues which remains unsolved- no one seems to respond to these.
Doh go pulling the party card - yuh begging to sound like a certain party affiliate whoe familiar refrain is toblamePNM for all their woes and short comings.
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: asylumseeker on July 02, 2015, 09:54:54 AM
Is there really a price tag in Fenwick's mind that merits his non-participation in the CCL? Ah mean yuh went to Belgium ostensibly to move to an elevated market, what's worth turning your back on the elevated stage of the CCL, and the opportunities it could yield?

What is this leaving Central about? Dollars? If so, is the disparity in the $ wanted and the $ on offer worth not taking a squad you know intimately onto a stage that you should relish?

Or, could Fenwick be afraid of the CCL challenge and its implications? He doesn't strike me as that person, but I'm not an authority on stagefright.

Frankly, very few things about T&T football disappoint or surprise me, but I find Fenwick's departure from the club disappointing.

Similar questions could be asked of the club. If you've invested in an outcome, has anything you've done worked to impede that outcome?
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Football supporter on July 02, 2015, 12:50:47 PM
Is there really a price tag in Fenwick's mind that merits his non-participation in the CCL? Ah mean yuh went to Belgium ostensibly to move to an elevated market, what's worth turning your back on the elevated stage of the CCL, and the opportunities it could yield?

What is this leaving Central about? Dollars? If so, is the disparity in the $ wanted and the $ on offer worth not taking a squad you know intimately onto a stage that you should relish?

Or, could Fenwick be afraid of the CCL challenge and its implications? He doesn't strike me as that person, but I'm not an authority on stagefright.

Frankly, very few things about T&T football disappoint or surprise me, but I find Fenwick's departure from the club disappointing.

Similar questions could be asked of the club. If you've invested in an outcome, has anything you've done worked to impede that outcome?

Despite the criticism, I really believe that bringing in Terry for the CFU, Pro Bowl and the final league games was a good decision. Terry's tactical decisions were superb. Even one of his arch critics, Jamaal Shabazz, told me he was impressed by Terry's tactics in Guyana. So, yes, I think Terry would do well in CCL. However, everyone has the right to value themselves as they see fit. His request was too rich for Central, but maybe he has a plan B? Whatever, I hope he stays in T&T football because I think the game will be better with his involvement, although I wouldn't enjoy playing against him!!
Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Sam on July 02, 2015, 03:12:57 PM
Fenwick like to much blasted money if you ask me and he know he have Central by they balls because they need him. I hope they dont break, de timing of this is bad, it shows no dovotation to a club that basically rescue him after Jabloteh went bankrupt with de CLICO incident.

He went Belgium and it did not work out and came back and they still accepted him back even though he pull ah agent stunt on Plaza and them agent so he and Central could profit.

 :rotfl:

Title: Re: Central and Fenwick part ways; Vranes and Eve among possibile new coaches
Post by: Football supporter on July 02, 2015, 03:18:13 PM
Fenwick like to much blasted money if you ask me and he know he have Central by they balls because they need him. I hope they dont break, de timing of this is bad, it shows no dovotation to a club that basically rescue him after Jabloteh went bankrup