The complex is to be constructed on 180 acres of Caroni lands and will comprise the Brian Lara cricket stadium, the George Bovell aquatic centre, and will include facilities for training local and regional sportsmen. "
President of the Chamber of Commerce, Christian Mouttet, from Trinidad Guardian
If atall this Sports Complex should be built around/proximal one of the existing stadiums if possible. This is a major misuse of funds to simply generate a smoke screen that would only serve as magnifying glass to the Ruling powers ineptitude.
"This, after Sports Minister Roger Boynes announced at a post-Cabinet news conference last week that Government had given the go-ahead to his ministry to construct a sports complex in the obscure community of Tarouba in South Trinidad to the tune of $850 million.
The complex is to be constructed on 180 acres of Caroni lands and will comprise the Brian Lara cricket stadium, the George Bovell aquatic centre, and will include facilities for training local and regional sportsmen. "
President of the Chamber of Commerce, Christian Mouttet,
from Trinidad Guardian
If atall this Sports Complex should be built around/proximal one of the existing stadiums if possible. This is a major misuse of funds to simply generate a smoke screen that would only serve as magnifying glass to the Ruling powers ineptitude.
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Is funny they spending so much on infrustructure but barely wanted to give 1% of it to actually run de programs that would use the facilities.
If they spend half that amount and use the other half to support the sporting programs (with auditing and accountability for every purchase) we might see some improvement in sport....administrative and on the field.
Left to the many blowhards on this board many things would never get done in T&T. If i take a poll I am sure that the same ones who were saying leave Bertille are the same ones up in arms about the stadium. Thank GOD these decisions are made at a higher level and not dependent on such backward thinking. Imagine a man who can hardly put two thoughts together asking if any thought was put into the planning of this project. Bro you cant be married to a wise one because then no thought or wisdom went into decision to marry you.
Foward with this magnificent project and to hell with the naysayers. They are all nothing but collective millstones around the country's neck. And btw maxg before you buy a car just study how much you would save catching the bus or how much cheaper it is to travel by boat ......forget the plane as a matter of inquiry do you still bop your woman over the head with your club?
One day hopefully you people will arise from this cent and penny thinking.
dat eh maxg wife is maxg posing like ah woman.Maxg wife eh no trini bout yuh fas an outa place
Sub1
I take offence to the term "You People"
I came across this term during my time in the states and it was always made in a condescending manner by those who felt superior.
But let me just share with you the views of "You People"
Courtesy the Trinidad Express
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_opinion?id=80296633
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_opinion?id=80296627
And from the Trinidad Guardian......please scroll down.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/letters.html
Lastly, I am up in arms about this stadium but I was one of the chief supporters of the Fire Bertie campaign.
Am I a collective millstone around this country's neck because I do not share the same view as you?
Like allyuh looking for a true trini cuss - aks Maxg - I is not only a trini - ah is a country coolie trini who does cuss !!!!
de wife ;)
Like allyuh looking for a true trini cuss - aks Maxg - I is not only a trini - ah is a country coolie trini who does cuss !!!!
de wife ;)
I only shake meh head when I read the article in todays Express.
We build Brian Lara stadium for what?
It was not completed for the cricket WC
Cost triple and we all know how things go in the construction industry.
I doe do this but for this post I have to rub it in.
I TELL ALYUH SO....waste of damn money.
I am working on a few govnt construction projects and this money could have gone a long way to the hospitals, health centers, roads, providing water for poor communities. A booster pump for water is 1 million dollars each dey coulda put 2-3 in all the rural areas and ease all the people woes.
Hospitals in a mess. I visiting a family member in POS daily and I beseech any of you living in TT to not get sick or in a accident because tings in these facilities grim.
I am also totally against all the big buildings going up in town because it does nothing but give foreign consultants architects and construction firms big money and nuttin for the locals.
Also these buildings will become just like any other nice new ministry building....filled with old desk, cubicle and mash up chair.
Do you know the A/c and maintenance costs for these buildings????
Instead of building a desalination plant for water or a ethanol plant for the caroni farmers so the by product of sugar cane for be used we building tower to block out the sun.
Doe frighten 850 Million go train the next cricket prodigy so when he make WI team he could make plenty runs and get call all kinda bad name.
Money well spent.
I only shake meh head when I read the article in todays Express.dread i pass by that stadium a few weeks ago, that place aint even put d stands up or nothin yet it just looking flat with a set a conctrete pile up with rubble and a few workers moving around
We build Brian Lara stadium for what?
It was not completed for the cricket WC
Cost triple and we all know how things go in the construction industry.
I doe do this but for this post I have to rub it in.
I TELL ALYUH SO....waste of damn money.
I am working on a few govnt construction projects and this money could have gone a long way to the hospitals, health centers, roads, providing water for poor communities. A booster pump for water is 1 million dollars each dey coulda put 2-3 in all the rural areas and ease all the people woes.
Hospitals in a mess. I visiting a family member in POS daily and I beseech any of you living in TT to not get sick or in a accident because tings in these facilities grim.
I am also totally against all the big buildings going up in town because it does nothing but give foreign consultants architects and construction firms big money and nuttin for the locals.
Also these buildings will become just like any other nice new ministry building....filled with old desk, cubicle and mash up chair.
Do you know the A/c and maintenance costs for these buildings????
Instead of building a desalination plant for water or a ethanol plant for the caroni farmers so the by product of sugar cane for be used we building tower to block out the sun.
Doe frighten 850 Million go train the next cricket prodigy so when he make WI team he could make plenty runs and get call all kinda bad name.
Money well spent.
to be fair i hear roger say the original estimate was 800 and something million :'(
to be fair i hear roger say the original estimate was 800 and something million :'(
that estimate was for the whole complex given the 275MM estimate for the cricket academy, now that the cricket academy cost has doubled.. they will surely revise that 850MM estimate upwards.
utter madness by anil...and to think he was a swimming coach right? you see how political affiliation does lead men to talk stupidness. Just last night I reading the article on the new swimming fella...homer. http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=161143288
who break everybody record in his age group...swimming in a 25m pool. I don't know how to make an analogy to the footballers on the forum except to compare it to if Trinidad only had fields with one goal and running up to half-line...and national teams everybody had to train on that half-field. standard olympic (and by extension any international competition) does go on in a 50m pool. the boy hatta spen time doing twice as much flip turns as anybody else in the world...ewven my small scruntin school here have a 50m pool..thaz just basics and trinidad have they international hopefuls swimming national competitions in 25m pools and fools on here talking about white elephants.
Touches et al, this is really grim news. To me, living in foreign and hearing this dotishness, it real disheartening. On a related note, can anyone update me on the latest with Imbert's toy train?
to be fair i hear roger say the original estimate was 800 and something million :'(
that estimate was for the whole complex given the 275MM estimate for the cricket academy, now that the cricket academy cost has doubled.. they will surely revise that 850MM estimate upwards.
I ketch yuh again
Go and do some work nah man!
Ehy boy MaxG...we is collective millstones round people neck. :rotfl:
and the stadium not fit to go een...steel have a failure rate or wha seventy someting percent.
Doh worry Maxg we does talk shit right tru ent.
The Actus expert further noted that the steel was tested and two testing companies gave the steelwork failure rates averaging 78.5 percent.
Two separate independent testing companies tested a significant representative proportion of the welds. The average failure rate of both independent tests is 78.5 percent. McCaffrey expressed a desire to examine this aspect of the project in further detail, but said he was unable to.
Ehy boy MaxG...we is collective millstones round people neck. :rotfl:
and the stadium not fit to go een...steel have a failure rate or wha seventy someting percent.
Doh worry Maxg we does talk shit right tru ent.
Sad anniversary... :(
http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,118522.html
Max yuh gorn and bring up this bad news vexation thread. :devil: :devil:We going for a double bill for vision 2020, man...once the cricket pitch finish, then we could go for gold
Everytime I reach down south and see dat on the highway I does steupes.
Damn ting reach a billion and yet to schedule a game in it.
Could someone post a picture or vid of the present state of the site? porfavor.
Thanx tallman. so what's the verdict on this complex, are they going to finish it or condemn it to a loss?Could someone post a picture or vid of the present state of the site? porfavor.
Here is a video from last September
http://www.youtube.com/v/F7ITxR3Fr6s
Charges should have been laid for this.and waste more tax payers money ?
wait wait we cah pay footballers but we have 850 million to build stadium where nobody going to really use.
wow dat man full ah heself
I hope they finish this facility.I hope plenty ppl actually use it...with 1.8 billion thrown in the hole it is a gamble to throw more knowing when you start seeing something, means yuh still have to throw plenty more over a extended period of time. The biggest gamble however IMO , will the sports men & women actually benefit from it. Will they bother to give up where they traditionally and currently train to make this non-commercial, nouveau detour from the routine of what was their normal lives. when it is finished, if many ppl don't make use of it, we wouldn't be able to showcase it as a unique expensive mantel piece, cause they would have seen quite a few of these around the country already. Unless, unless, ppl go for " but have you ever seen one in the bush, overrun by bush" . If they ask "like Indy, temple of doom sorta?" Sell it to dem for what yuh get, doh bother to hold yuh head and ball...yeah ah hope, we use it, maybe run Canadian/US winter camps out of them, in prep for Southern hemispheres olympics , world cups, and maybe an exclusive British cricket club or two, all those big money generating sports we operate here in the so big ,vast and just plain far to go anywhere land of the humming bird :-*. Shim ah did see a few in this city the other day, cyan even claim that....Island of the underused stadiums, except for carnival..now there yuh go..Seriously, ah hope it doh come to that!
wow dat man full ah heself
Has always been. I used the radio station to market himself
Latest Update
http://guardian.co.tt/news/2011/02/07/tarouba-stadium-falling-apart tarouba stadium
Not to digress to much, but the Past Government Leaders, seemed intent on being in the spotlight.(See National arts center, See Summits, see Vision 2020).Latest Update
http://guardian.co.tt/news/2011/02/07/tarouba-stadium-falling-apart tarouba stadium
The Guardian cyah print nutten about the SIA, but they making sure to keep the past governement in de spotlight.
Not to digress to much, but the Past Government Leaders, seemed intent on being in the spotlight.(See National arts center, See Summits, see Vision 2020).Latest Update
http://guardian.co.tt/news/2011/02/07/tarouba-stadium-falling-apart tarouba stadium
The Guardian cyah print nutten about the SIA, but they making sure to keep the past governement in de spotlight.
IMO, it was their priority job one, but I personally not about party, I about a majority of ppl & leading by common sense, especially when I know for a fact there are way smarter people than me in leadership roles, thus when they make certain decisions, I see it as being intentional, thus my question. Why they feel they must do people that.
One can plaster the SIA fiasco however one wants, the effect on the majority of ppl in TT is minimal.. Wheter if, 4 ppl doh know nothing getting paid for doing some secret work, or another 4 who know everything for getting paid for doing some secret work, I didn't see the difference before, when everything was working good, and I wheter is you, me or James Bond have the job, I'm not sure I would be able to discern the difference, as the results are secret, matters of National security nah ! Yet, when ah read how about ppl living in bush, getting electrocuted becasue they trying to thief electricity, flooding yearly and losing everything they have, cannot get running water, youths who feel they have to assault & kill, as a way of life..It make me wonder if 200+180 acres & Billions of dollars could have been used differently.(Tarouba+circuit+entertainment/sport area- how many of the population would afford it, and for how long)
Which I think should be the normal thought processes before the decisions are made..Don't do it, and then wonder how after...Look at every angle, pros and cons, alternatives, and number of people effected, for now and future, reference past and historical outcomes, and then decide....Don't build ah house in the middle of a dry river, and the 1st time it rains, cry another river ...buh is just my thoughts
The gov't should either finish it or tear it down. Patos has to take the blame for this. He allowed Udecott and Karamath to screw this up big time. He should have stepped in and demand changes when this was getting out of hand. This is his albatross.
congo, the man or woman exercising at that facility going to say, " my tax money paying for the upkeep of these facilities. Why can't I use it"
congo, the man or woman exercising at that facility going to say, " my tax money paying for the upkeep of these facilities. Why can't I use it"
I guess you could save money if it is in the same vicinty as an existing facility as you can have one set of staff to maintain it.
You can also use exisitng stuff that already in place like the car park, administrative offices, existing infrustructure like pipes, electricity lines, communication lines.
Is like having the Jean Pierre Complex right by the Hasely Crawford instead of somewhere else.
I thought they had announced a while back that they were putting the Bovell aquatic center down powder magazine side.
http://www.guardian.co.tt/archives/2004-10-06/sports4.html
The construction costs for all the new football stadia we have came up to $450 million.
I suspect this one so big it doesn't have space by the current stadia to add this one.
Bacelot already adding on to the Dwight Yorke.
Is funny they spending so much on infrustructure but barely wanted to give 1% of it to actually run de programs that would use the facilities.
If they spend half that amount and use the other half to support the sporting programs (with auditing and accountability for every purchase) we might see some improvement in sport....administrative and on the field.
This $850 mill is just an indication of panic but we go take it anyway.
hahaha. politics is real entertainment sometimes yes.
Is it going to solve crime....noooooo.
Will sport benefit...yessss.
Is it at least close to an efficient way to use $850 mill for sport is the main question.
Facilities is part of the equation but if the other things not there too then what de hell is the point.
Boynes seem to be doing a better job these days so maybe a sustainable sports plan is something real and not ficticous?
Could anyone here let me know if they heard anything about this prior to the article coming out.
What discussion went on about this and which sporting organisations took part.
Ah mean, is dem going and use it not so?
Also, what happening to the aquatic center in Cocorite? Scrapped?....even after some ceremony with Bovell.
With the amount of spanking new facilities we have is best we have some kinda World Cup or big tournament every 6 years otherwise it go be emtpy right through. What happened to having teams come down here for pre-season training.....no takers for the Tobago venue? Who knows if anyone is marketing that.
ah was thinking bout Benjie suggestion, cause i was more looking at turning it over to the communities in which they are located, it will assist and benefit those communities, as far as development and bonding, but would those communities have the professionals necessary to operate something of that stature ??? I don't know the communities..
"Should they just do like football and build a couple of smaller ones, maybe even at the other existing sites?" - dcs
or half way in between or something...
Kenya started bombarding the world with middle distance runners, many ran barefoot, up to today. No infrastructure, no funds...just desire, and pride...We had many excellent athletes (cricket, football, track) in the past(not much swimmers true), high public interest, participation, and involvement....1 Oval, 1 skinner park, bunch a lil patches and street football...wel that was then, we have to keep up with the rest of the world (jones)
Yet building a Cathedrall, won't gaurantee yuh a place in heaven. Won't mean yuh Holy. Hell it might not even mean yuh is a good fella. but intially people go come and see it..
In my opinion our young atheletes require more modern coaching, i.e. training, nutrition, psychological development, and proper home nuturing and parent involvement. Then somewhere to practice it further.
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Is funny they spending so much on infrustructure but barely wanted to give 1% of it to actually run de programs that would use the facilities.
If they spend half that amount and use the other half to support the sporting programs (with auditing and accountability for every purchase) we might see some improvement in sport....administrative and on the field.
dcs yuh thinkin,,,the Hasely Crawford when first built was problems...all kinda fancy equipment, training and treatment...but after all was acquired...the Government couldn't afford the staff to utilize and run any kind of programs out of it. Just like building 5 stadia and barely paying upkeep, so yuh go turn around and add a another brand new complex...
Sub1, i don't care how the f**k they spend the money, but doh light it and blow smoke up people ass. Transportation, easy access to the people who will be using it, programs staff, technical, maintenence, environs. Fella yuh doh just build a School and people walk into it and they learn. There is a yearly cost from Janitor to Program Director, equipment maintenance and replacement, food services, cleaning services, security...Think before yuh start trying to insult people, nah. I not about that. Yuh know what these concerned business do or don't do for sport. Yuh have any idea if people close down they business and leave, what the socio-economic situation will be...I don't ...
Open my mind and grow...really...what causing you to be constantly typin stuff so people will think you foolish so? the internet? something personal? if yuh wha chat personally, I don't mind helping yuh out bredda...buh doh expect meh to delve into cussing and fighting yuh down, bout who wise and smart and who chupid....it have millions wiser and smarter than plenty...I have met a few, and ah married one..so I accustome to being on the mentally weaker side, yet my strengths lie in seeing the big picture, and adaptaion to life....and focusing on sport and nothing else, is not the whole picture...but that is another story