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Sports => Football => Topic started by: davidephraim on June 16, 2005, 08:03:55 AM
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Marvin Oliver is Fit again Triniman
Leh we see how de thing go work out...
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oh gosh you...yuh come back with dat nonesense again...face it.. de man just not ready 4 dis type ah ball... ;D
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yeah first beenie man have to watch super league football
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futbolfan, though topics are not personal on this page, this is a joke between me and Triniman really. So your attitude is really not called for. I assure you. I wrote the topic just to hear Triniman come out of retirement so take it easy grasshopper im sure you have been around long enough to retort on the topic but you should have also been around long enough to know that This topic was my initiation on this site so by now it has become household between me and triniman and couple others.
And by the way, the only people that has what it takes to make the team are the players that Bennie-man selects. Personally I think that Dawrika, Sealy, Mc Farlene should be looked at and look Eves getting a second look. Someone said yesterday that it is now a Team ting not an individual ting no more.
That means any man can make if he compliments the Team.
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easy breads no need to take it so personal. that is Y I had a grin, laugh  ;D at the end of de post.
respect
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Crab Connection's Marvin Oliver back in top flight.
By: Randy Bando (ttproleague.com).[/size]
Veteran midfielder Marvin Oliver formally of Super League Club Crab Connection has joined the ranks of Pro League Club Neal and Massy Caledonia AIA on a two year contract.
Oliver who played for Pro League Club North East Stars in the earlier half of the 2006 season before returning to Crab Connection back in 2004 is now back in top flight with the Morvant based team.
The 31 year old midfielder is happy to be associated with Coach Jamal Shabazz and the Club he started off with as a youth player with.
Oliver told ‘ttproleague.com’, “I am very happy to be associated with Coach Jamal Shabazz again. He has always looked after me as a player when I was at the Club as a youth player back in the late 80’s and early 90’s. I believe teaming up with coach Shabazz now can be productive on the field and off the field for me as a player.”
The midfielder is now set on winning titles and securing his position with Caledonia AIA in the 2007 season saying, “I’m looking to win some trophies with the Club this season, also consistency as a player with Club at the highest level and putting out the same winning attitude I had at Crab Connection.”
The dreadlocked player admits he will always be part of Crab Connection but sees his move as graduating from one level to another.
“I don’t see my move as leaving Crab Connection. We are from the same Morvant/San Juan community and Caledonia is similar to Crab Connection because of their community background and they have the same goals, just that one is Pro League and the other in the Super League. I don’t feel bad leaving Crab Connection because I would always be a part of them and I know I will have the same community support when I play for Caledonia. It’s just that I am graduating from one level to another,” ended the midfielder.
According to the Technical Director of the Pro League Club Jamal Shabazz his World Cup player Densill Theobald has hinted on exploring other options outside of Trinidad for the 2007 season hence his reason for signing the Oliver.
Shabazz told ‘ttproleague.com’, “We needed a player who can carry the team just as Densill Theobald did in the past.”
“Were not to sure if Densill will be in the country for much longer and we see Marvin as the player who can set the field alight. Densill has hinted to us that he would be looking at some options outside of Trinidad and Tobago in the short term and that’s where it stands right now. He is keeping things very close to his chest,” said the Guyanese national coach.
“I believe Oliver is one of the best midfielders in the country and he represents what Caledonia represents which is talent and promise.”
“Being at Caledonia it would help his game physically and tactically, and once he improves in these two areas, he is going to play a part in Trinidad and Tobago’s World Cup 2010 campaign,” said Shabazz.
The Caledonia Technical Director is also holding the hopes of having both players in the team for the 2007 season saying, “Once Densill is here we would always love to have him and it would be a dream to have both Theobald and Oliver in the Caledonia midfield,” ended Shabazz.
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This is good news for me to see another one of my students of the game progressing,Marvin is a product of my Coaching school when i was back home,he was about 9/10 yrs old,dominated the colleges with SanJuan Snr a couple years after i left T&T,he is a player i always followed because i often used him as an example(Football that is) for players in the San Juan,Bourg Mulatresse,Santa Cruz areas,i used him to instigate the San Juan players to win the Islandwide Intercol this year when i was home,Marvin could have done even better than he did in the game,he just lacks the support that goes with it(agent/manager).
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Wish the best of luck to theo
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Like Coops I have seen Marvin play in the Aranjuez Savannah and every where else. Good to know that he still around. As for Denzil all the best boss.
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This is good news for me to see another one of my students of the game progressing,Marvin is a product of my Coaching school when i was back home,he was about 9/10 yrs old,dominated the colleges with SanJuan Snr a couple years after i left T&T,he is a player i always followed because i often used him as an example(Football that is) for players in the San Juan,Bourg Mulatresse,Santa Cruz areas,i used him to instigate the San Juan players to win the Islandwide Intercol this year when i was home,Marvin could have done even better than he did in the game,he just lacks the support that goes with it(agent/manager).
Coops you know this youth have absolutely no discipline. The guy can play, no doubt about that. Discipline has always been and probably will always be a problem. He is influenced by the wrong people and I am surprised that he is back at this level. Don't say that he lacks support from an Agent/Manager, that is totally incorrect. When Marvin chooses to grow up and be a man, he can be as productive as he wants to be.
Until then, he'll be another very good player that went to the wayside. No sympathy from me. The guy needs to grow up and do something positive with his life.
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This is good news for me to see another one of my students of the game progressing,Marvin is a product of my Coaching school when i was back home,he was about 9/10 yrs old,dominated the colleges with SanJuan Snr a couple years after i left T&T,he is a player i always followed because i often used him as an example(Football that is) for players in the San Juan,Bourg Mulatresse,Santa Cruz areas,i used him to instigate the San Juan players to win the Islandwide Intercol this year when i was home,Marvin could have done even better than he did in the game,he just lacks the support that goes with it(agent/manager).
Coops you know this youth have absolutely no discipline. The guy can play, no doubt about that. Discipline has always been and probably will always be a problem. He is influenced by the wrong people and I am surprised that he is back at this level. Don't say that he lacks support from an Agent/Manager, that is totally incorrect. When Marvin chooses to grow up and be a man, he can be as productive as he wants to be.
Until then, he'll be another very good player that went to the wayside. No sympathy from me. The guy needs to grow up and do something positive with his life.
I did not want to go there because i don't like saying in dept things about people,Marvin is like my son and if you know where he come from,his family upbringings,his struggles with school (education) i can go on and on about this guy,sometimes we look at people and think why they could not be a certain way always remember there are a number of reasons for it,you ever heard Marvin Oliver speak?he is (tied-tongue) i'm not saying that's an excuse but all these things affects,i used to personally pick up Marvin and Hector Sam and take them to my Camps/Practice their parents did not care,at times even something to eat,so when i talk about agent/manager i really meant someone who could have guided him in life.
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The man 31 years old. I wish him luck in the PFL but I hope it have a young player who can deny him a spot on the national team. If he is good enough to make the national team and reallly brings something extra to the table, more props to him.
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marvin oliver always had talent, but when de WC comes around wouldnt he be 33 or 34? ??? I think fellahs like stephan david and clyde leon should be mids that are looked at instead for WC 2010.. JMHO but if Oliver playing some bess ball, why not include him on the team if he is shining...
God is de BOSS...
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Marvin is a very talented player. Can head, control very good and score free kicks, will light up d pro league
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never know he wa still playin at that level
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Marvin Oliver is a baller and anytime he decide to buckle down and be about de game at a high level fellas go be surprised because kid aint no joke when he is on but we could say de same for Jemmot, de other hardest (dread locks), Dawrika or Oliver.
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Marvin Oliver is a baller and anytime he decide to buckle down and be about de game at a high level fellas go be surprised because kid aint no joke when he is on but we could say de same for Jemmot, de other hardest (dread locks), Dawrika or Oliver.
De man is 31. How much more time it have fuh him tuh buckle down?
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Marvin Oliver is a baller and anytime he decide to buckle down and be about de game at a high level fellas go be surprised because kid aint no joke when he is on but we could say de same for Jemmot, de other hardest (dread locks), Dawrika or Oliver.
De man is 31. How much more time it have fuh him tuh buckle down?
Well boy ah guess it was one ah dem hypatheticals.. coulda would shoulda. At de end of de day ah feel ah was validating de talent but hoping for de discipline - where football is concerned. The discipline of being a professional footballer.
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I havent seem marvin play since schools football..back then he was a very good player but it appears as though he fell through the cracks because of personal issues. Just another example of unfulfilled talent.
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Why has Marvin Oliver not been called up for training?
I have notice that 19 players have been invited to prepare for a friendly next month, but Marvin Oliver was not invited, now as a coach and strong supporter of our national team I would like to know how these coaches go about selecting these players, now this player ( Marvin Oliver ) if not the best, is one of the best players now playing in the league and I am not saying this just because I am a fan of him, his performance so far in the league, proof that he should have been on the gold cup team, at present he has won more man of the match than any other player since the league started, he also won player of the month and he's has been selected on the all-star team of the month back to back so far for the season. Marvin inspiration, desire and contribution for his club has seen their team no lower than second since the 2007 season started, yet Marvin was not invited to prepare for the gold cup tournament and now this friendly international. They the coaches say they looking for the best local players, if my stats on Mr. Oliver is correct, then he is one of the best local player in the league at present, so coaches, please tell me out of these 19 players selected, Marvin Oliver achievement and contribution in the league is still not good enough to even be considered for selection on our national team. concern citizen.
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I think olivers age is against him he is about 31/32
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Ah wonder if the PFL teams does drug test? Because if they do, he eh passing it. Maybe that has something to do with his non-selection. :devil:
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Ah wonder if the PFL teams does drug test? Because if they do, he eh passing it. Maybe that has something to do with his non-selection. :devil:
Ah sure Latas ent go agree with that :devil: :devil: :devil:
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I think olivers age is against him he is about 31/32
remember when 5/6 yrs ago when he expressed a desire to play for T&T, yuh wanted to know who dat lil A-League player thought he was ? He moved back to T&T to follow his dream, and has developed and demonstarted his craft yearly and now at the top of his game as well as the pro-league, yuh saying is ah age issue ? ::)
Ah not surprise at all
ah nex man indicating he using, what? performance enhancing foreign substances :(...oh well..
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I think olivers age is against him he is about 31/32
remember when 5/6 yrs ago when he expressed a desire to play for T&T, yuh wanted to know who dat lil A-League player thought he was ? He moved back to T&T to follow his dream, and has developed and demonstarted his craft yearly and now at the top of his game as well as the pro-league, yuh saying is ah age issue ? ::)
Ah not surprise at all
ah nex man indicating he using, what? performance enhancing foreign substances :(...oh well..
Coach Rijsbergen was asked why Oliver wasn't being selected for the National team and his response was that as T&T were building towards 2010, any additions to his established team would be younger players. If per chance an older player who was playing football at a high enough level were to come into the picture, he may consider them as well.
It might seem kinda harsh to some but that's the reality. At 31, a player tends to be on the downswing of his professional playing career UNLESS he is playing at a level where he is playing top class football week in and week out. Even then, 31 is still "old" in international football terms.
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Guys forgive me if you all find i'm sounding a bit harsh but Marvin Oliver is like a son to me,it's not the first time but every time his name comes up about being overlooked the same things are being said about him,can it be said may be he has changed his act a bit,for someone to be consistently playing the way he is there must be something right he is doing,not everybody know his background,where he is from,the life he lived,i personally that guy a lot of credit for what he have done and where he is today,it could have been worst,i check Marvin every time i'm home just to see how he is doing,i'm not saying he should make any national but if he is playing well he should be considered.
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He could at least use him in d warm ups he eh have nutten to loose. D young players dey keep talkin bout I probably need to visit d optician because I eh seein them
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I think olivers age is against him he is about 31/32
remember when 5/6 yrs ago when he expressed a desire to play for T&T, yuh wanted to know who dat lil A-League player thought he was ? He moved back to T&T to follow his dream, and has developed and demonstarted his craft yearly and now at the top of his game as well as the pro-league, yuh saying is ah age issue ? ::)
Ah not surprise at all
ah nex man indicating he using, what? performance enhancing foreign substances :(...oh well..
Coach Rijsbergen was asked why Oliver wasn't being selected for the National team and his response was that as T&T were building towards 2010, any additions to his established team would be younger players. If per chance an older player who was playing football at a high enough level were to come into the picture, he may consider them as well.
It might seem kinda harsh to some but that's the reality. At 31, a player tends to be on the downswing of his professional playing career UNLESS he is playing at a level where he is playing top class football week in and week out. Even then, 31 is still "old" in international football terms.
while i agree with the notion of preparing for 2010, i kinda feel it should be revised to preparing for 2008/09 because thats when our world cup qualifiers happen... and given that, i see no issue in giving an established 31 year old player a chance if he's performing at a highly consistent level as the reports and accolades suggest...
i just dont see the point of dashing oliver by the wayside if we could squeeze a 2-3 years out of the player, and he will also be great for the early qualifiers against the smaller teams when it would be tougher to get the foreign based players available...
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because he playing for the most hated team in the league
plain and simple
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The little games I have seen him play in he has done very well, in fact topping the class in the PFL, for whatever that says. A digicel selection would have been good. Or even a run in the Gold cup. He was definitely playing at a better level for Cali than Jemmot for Rangers in most games. He does not quite have that vision for penetrating long passes that Jemmot has but he can make quick accurate short passes even under heavy pressure. And he defends fairly well for an attacking player. He not embroiled in personal issues that like Jemmot. For qualifying it is about results too so lets see if de coach will at least invite him to tryouts at some point to assess his abilities. As far as the age thing, it probably simplistic to bring up Milla, BUT our pool is small, Rijsbergen needs all the resources he can get. He obviously knows what he is doing far more than all of us here but I feel he go take a closer look at Oliver sooner rather than later.
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I think olivers age is against him he is about 31/32
remember when 5/6 yrs ago when he expressed a desire to play for T&T, yuh wanted to know who dat lil A-League player thought he was ? He moved back to T&T to follow his dream, and has developed and demonstarted his craft yearly and now at the top of his game as well as the pro-league, yuh saying is ah age issue ? ::)
Ah not surprise at all
ah nex man indicating he using, what? performance enhancing foreign substances :(...oh well..
Coach Rijsbergen was asked why Oliver wasn't being selected for the National team and his response was that as T&T were building towards 2010, any additions to his established team would be younger players. If per chance an older player who was playing football at a high enough level were to come into the picture, he may consider them as well.
It might seem kinda harsh to some but that's the reality. At 31, a player tends to be on the downswing of his professional playing career UNLESS he is playing at a level where he is playing top class football week in and week out. Even then, 31 is still "old" in international football terms.
Yeah he'd have to be a Latapy or Yorke (meaning a clear cut above the rest) at his age to be part of a 3 year plan....
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Well de coach being consistent.
Look at de Gold Cup squad. Who on that team was over 30? Trent Noel maybe?(me eh know) MacFarlane?
I never see Marvin Oliver play but always hear dat he have ability. He obviously doin well in the PFL this season and kudos to him. Sound like he doin all he can to stake his claim. Hopefully it work out for him as far as his National team aspirations go.
At the end of the day, the coach is the one who determines the kind of players he needs for his team. What roles they will perform, what skill set they need to possess, what assets they bring to the team to help make the team better. Maybe Marvin Oliver will fit that criteria for coach Rijsbergen one day. Obviously at the moment he either doesn't or the coach feels there are other players who are more suitable because is not like de coach eh know who he is or never see him play.
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Does he play behind the forwards?
He seem to have a big presence in the final third...scred some headers too I think. 31 not too old for qualifiers...he seems more than fit in the highlight reals but I cah judge too good on that.
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Well de coach being consistent.
Look at de Gold Cup squad. Who on that team was over 30? Trent Noel maybe?(me eh know) MacFarlane?
I never see Marvin Oliver play but always hear dat he have ability. He obviously doin well in the PFL this season and kudos to him. Sound like he doin all he can to stake his claim. Hopefully it work out for him as far as his National team aspirations go.
At the end of the day, the coach is the one who determines the kind of players he needs for his team. What roles they will perform, what skill set they need to possess, what assets they bring to the team to help make the team better. Maybe Marvin Oliver will fit that criteria for coach Rijsbergen one day. Obviously at the moment he either doesn't or the coach feels there are other players who are more suitable because is not like de coach eh know who he is or never see him play.
In a way it is a good thing. We saying to the younger players that they should not waste their chances. Unfortunately a generation of players such as Jemmot, Oliver, Rahim etc. will be lost. But that IS the modern game. Sometimes players who don't make it could be a kind anti-inspiration too.
Well the coach knows best but when yuh watch Oliver play yuh really have to wonder....
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Guys forgive me if you all find i'm sounding a bit harsh but Marvin Oliver is like a son to me,it's not the first time but every time his name comes up about being overlooked the same things are being said about him,can it be said may be he has changed his act a bit,for someone to be consistently playing the way he is there must be something right he is doing,not everybody know his background,where he is from,the life he lived,i personally that guy a lot of credit for what he have done and where he is today,it could have been worst,i check Marvin every time i'm home just to see how he is doing,i'm not saying he should make any national but if he is playing well he should be considered.
Coops yuh know ah have the utmost respect for yuh. But really and truly I tired of the excuses about how men grow up and what circumstances etc. There are many people who grow up in adverse situations. Carlos Lee who played for Arima, went to Mt. Hope Jr. Sec and now the man have his PHd. At some point in a "man's" life yuh have to stand up and take responsibility for yuh actions. Marvin is a grown man and I don't really care what most people say, but if you have all the talent in the world as Marvin have and yuh still doh make it, it have reasons for that. I may or may not know what they are but there are reasons why he not getting called into the squad. Age could be true but I am positive there are other reasons.
I knew Marvin as a kid and from what I hear it's much the same. However, from what I am hearing lately, it seems as though he has matured a bit. If in fact this is true, I see no problem playing a 31 year old on the squad. But I must state, the coach may see that a bit differently.
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I think olivers age is against him he is about 31/32
remember when 5/6 yrs ago when he expressed a desire to play for T&T, yuh wanted to know who dat lil A-League player thought he was ?
i think he was playing in the bronx
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I think olivers age is against him he is about 31/32
remember when 5/6 yrs ago when he expressed a desire to play for T&T, yuh wanted to know who dat lil A-League player thought he was ?
i think he was playing in the bronx
He was playing for the Staten Island Vipers in the A-League.
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any link on the players called up ?
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they should at least give the man a sweat age or no age he deserve that he if playing good.
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even if the coach is building a team for the future, I would think it will be a good idea to have some older more experienced guys to help guide the youngsters , No?????????
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even if the coach is building a team for the future, I would think it will be a good idea to have some older more experienced guys to help guide the youngsters , No?????????
That would be entirely appropriate. Except Oliver is NOT experienced at that level.
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so hear nah ? If we have ah man playing better than anybody else now, and we have game now ... we not picking him because a younger fella and/or less skilled fella may play better and/or last longer than him in 2010....ah doh agree buh lewwe say is so, if is so ppl sayin...in the meanwhile, how we getting past 2007,8 and 9...even if yuh call the man to use as practice fodder, since he ON right now, and the young fella would be practicing with the best, and then when game time come, yuh make yuh choice...buh if not even that, ah have to think is more than age, an more ah thought process issue...maybe he not bright enuff, or mannerly enuff or too bad or not bad enuff...or bad area or whatever...buh seems many ppl capable of working with him now....
me cyah say wheter the guy should or should not be on the team...but judging from his last couple years performance,( as well as others who have had opportunity, not being let go by his employers etc.) ah don't see why he shouldn't have a chance, since is primarily football we chossing ppl for...or is diplomatic possibilties and potentials we picking team on ? add: or how he was when he was ah kid ?
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so hear nah ? If we have ah man playing better than anybody else now, and we have game now ... we not picking him because a younger fella and/or less skilled fella may play better and/or last longer than him in 2010....ah doh agree buh lewwe say is so, if is so ppl sayin...in the meanwhile, how we getting past 2007,8 and 9...even if yuh call the man to use as practice fodder, since he ON right now, and the young fella would be practicing with the best, and then when game time come, yuh make yuh choice...buh if not even that, ah have to think is more than age, an more ah thought process issue...maybe he not bright enuff, or mannerly enuff or too bad or not bad enuff...or bad area or whatever...buh seems many ppl capable of working with him now....
me cyah say wheter the guy should or should not be on the team...but judging from his last couple years performance,( as well as others who have had opportunity, not being let go by his employers etc.) ah don't see why he shouldn't have a chance, since is primarily football we chossing ppl for...or is diplomatic possibilties and potentials we picking team on ? add: or how he was when he was ah kid ?
Now look whey u gone. You a coach. U ever been in a situation where u DIDN'T select a player with better ability than his peers....for whatever reason?
See yuh on de weekend...if allyuh arong.
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Wha is de purpose of picking he apart from all de sentimental reasons all yuh giving? Really, who cares if yuh know him? When we have the full pool to choose from, he only going on trip for free room and board. All de scouts who plucking talent and sending all dem young local players for Trial in Europe bypass he. Dem wrong too?
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Wha is de purpose of picking he apart from all de sentimental reasons all yuh giving? Really, who cares if yuh know him? When we have the full pool to choose from, he only going on trip for free room and board. All de scouts who plucking talent and sending all dem young local players for Trial in Europe bypass he. Dem wrong too?
Flawed argument....
...or is it floored floured ???
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Wha is de purpose of picking he apart from all de sentimental reasons all yuh giving? Really, who cares if yuh know him? When we have the full pool to choose from, he only going on trip for free room and board. All de scouts who plucking talent and sending all dem young local players for Trial in Europe bypass he. Dem wrong too?
Flawed argument....
...or is it floored floured ???
Allyuh doh like nobody at all sah... :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Wha is de purpose of picking he apart from all de sentimental reasons all yuh giving? Really, who cares if yuh know him? When we have the full pool to choose from, he only going on trip for free room and board. All de scouts who plucking talent and sending all dem young local players for Trial in Europe bypass he. Dem wrong too?
Flawed argument....
...or is it floored floured ???
Allyuh doh like nobody at all sah... :rotfl: :rotfl:
oh gawd...I cyah remember.
Juss now Bally coming and tell yuh yuh cyackling like ah blasted 'oman, watch.
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so hear nah ? If we have ah man playing better than anybody else now, and we have game now ... we not picking him because a younger fella and/or less skilled fella may play better and/or last longer than him in 2010....ah doh agree buh lewwe say is so, if is so ppl sayin...in the meanwhile, how we getting past 2007,8 and 9...even if yuh call the man to use as practice fodder, since he ON right now, and the young fella would be practicing with the best, and then when game time come, yuh make yuh choice...buh if not even that, ah have to think is more than age, an more ah thought process issue...maybe he not bright enuff, or mannerly enuff or too bad or not bad enuff...or bad area or whatever...buh seems many ppl capable of working with him now....
me cyah say wheter the guy should or should not be on the team...but judging from his last couple years performance,( as well as others who have had opportunity, not being let go by his employers etc.) ah don't see why he shouldn't have a chance, since is primarily football we chossing ppl for...or is diplomatic possibilties and potentials we picking team on ? add: or how he was when he was ah kid ?
Now look whey u gone. You a coach. U ever been in a situation where u DIDN'T select a player with better ability than his peers....for whatever reason?
See yuh on de weekend...if allyuh arong.
Unfortunately (or unfortunately) I have never had that opportunity. I always selected the best players, unless that supposedly better player omitted himself from selection for personal reasons etc..etc..I did at one point have some young (and I don't mean aspiring) gangsters on my team, yet respect flowed both ways, and they were selected based on ability, and they conducted themselves admirably, around me and the rest of the team...but of course I would not dare compare my experience to a National Team selection...though given such opportunity, everybody would have an equal chance...
ps: We here for sure...TG turKee bought an ready
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De coach is ah genius and nobody should question his selections.
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De coach is ah genius and nobody should question his selections.
just u lol
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Did you read TT ProLeague Magazine Issue No.9?
It picked up Marvin Oliver.
"Why he was not on the Gold cup team?"
He talked.
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and said ?
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and said ?
Words...presumably.
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単語 ???
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Caledonia's dreadlocked genius confuses Wim.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).[/size]
Mystical Marvin.
His long spindly legs give him the look of a basketballer. His long mane is more the rave at dancehall concerts than in sporting arenas. He wears the number 10, is used like a number nine and plays like neither. His name is Marvin Oliver and he is the captain of the Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA football team.
It can be hard to decipher whether he is a midfielder or striker and exactly what his job entails from one minute to the next. Only one thing is certain. Whatever Oliver does, he does it very well indeed and Caledonia look like winning their first national league title as a result.
In an unofficial list of "Man of the Match" winners, Oliver tops the Pro League with seven awards-five more than the next best Trinidad and Tobago playmaker, United Petrotrin and national under-23 midfielder Keon Daniel.
So why has he been routinely overlooked by national senior team coach and former Holland World Cup defender Wim Rijsbergen? Rijsbergen barely hides his contempt for local football thinkers and certainly considers himself to be above fielding questions from the press-or this writer, at least.
But if he did tell Caledonia fans that Oliver was overlooked because of his age, 32, and a supposed inability to dominate games-and a Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) source suggested that it truly was the Dutchman's belief-then Rijsbergen's silence was indeed golden.
Not when the "Soca Warriors", who performed so creditably in Germany a year ago, showed the benefit of experience with more than half the team already over 30 years of age including 37-year-old goalkeeper Shaka Hislop and three of his starting four defenders for Trinidad and Tobago's historic goalless draw against Sweden. Who can mock the contribution of 37-year-old icon Russell Latapy? To most critics, the veteran was underutilised.
This is not necessarily "third world" thinking either. Former German coach Berti Vogts, as he sought to replace his squad of pensioners after the 1994 World Cup, gave midfielder Dieter Eilts his international senior debut at the supposedly ripe age of 31. No one was laughing, a year later, when Eilts was a key player in Germany 's successful 1996 European Championship.
Besides, CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh midfielder Trent Noel is 31 and deservedly among the list of invitees for Rijsbergen's next international assignment. Perhaps, more weight should be placed on Oliver's second supposed misdemeanor which is his perceived inability to dominate games. Oliver is admittedly no Aurtis Whitley.
Whitley, Vibe CT 105 W. Connection's new midfield recruit, is blessed with eye catching dribbling skill and a booming shot to go with his work rate and tactical awareness. He is your classic all-action star.
Of course, Whitley, one of 16 World Cup players who have legally challenged the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) over bonuses, is not in Rijsbergen's team either but I digress. The Dutchman is clearly unimpressed with Oliver's more subtle offerings. He prefers "Shoot Em Up" to "Sixth Sense".
And, considering that Rijsbergen infamously asked 41 players to try out for his 2007 Caribbean Cup team, a player must be without either a Trinidad and Tobago passport or a decent pair of boots to be omitted from his training camp. Oliver has both and then some.
He does not seem to touch the ball enough but, most times, he does not have to. His ability to turn up at the right place at precisely the right time suggests his inherent football intelligence. Oliver's clever use of the ball when he does have it and shadow runs when he does not, is an education in movement. Personally, I too would love to see more of him on the ball; to squeeze more enjoyment out of his silky touch.
But Oliver, who would be the country's first Rastafarian international player since "Strike Squad" defender and Petrotrin coach Brian Williams, is not for show and tell. He is for winning matches and Caledonia's performances this season-they are first in the league and play for the First Citizens Bank Cup tomorrow-testify to his value. He is neither orthodox midfielder nor striker but he is a damn good footballer all the same.
Rijsbergen should be thrilled at the opportunity to get a closer look at him. He should be seen, like maverick midfielder Kerwin "Hardest" Jemmott, to be a worthy and possibly rewarding challenge of his coaching ability.
But the European, who ex-national captain and Caribbean "Footballer of the Year" David Nakhid once accused of close mindedness, just will not bite-even when he is banned from selecting most of his top overseas players.
It must be a source of embarrassment for Caledonia midfielder Stephan David and attacker Conrad Smith to turn up for national training knowing that their skipper was bizarrely ruled to be unworthy of even a training bib.
Rijsbergen's predecessor and compatriot, Leo Beenhakker, remains Trinidad and Tobago 's most successful coach after leading the Warriors into the 2006 World Cup and he will be remembered fondly for spearheading their courageous performances in Germany . Perhaps Beenhakker's sole blot was his inability to find room for the gifted Latapy in his team, which was built more on effort than enterprise.
Rijsbergen, thus far, has offered little to savour as head coach. Trinidad and Tobago do not celebrate second place in the 2007 Caribbean Cup, particularly when Jamaica were not invited, while the blacklist was his only feasible excuse after a hapless first round exit from June's CONCACAF Gold Cup. In the midst of an uneventful international spell, up stepped the gangly Oliver. No one else does a better job of showing the effectiveness of marrying individual ability with team ethos. Rijsbergen has so far chosen to look the other way.
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In spite of his club Caledonia AIA going under 2-0 to eventual First Citizens Cup winners W Connection in the final of the competition, midfielder Marvin Oliver was unanimously voted as the MVP of the month long knockout tournament.
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More and more it comin to de light how good this player really is. For all who claim de never see de man play... trust meh de man can really ball. In de game where Cali lose 2 nil to Joe public in a match that saw Jagdeosingh, Kerry Baptiste and others.... It is only Oliver and Dawrika who showed that ability that can be clearly defined as a notch above the rest. Dawrika however is now a PFL player who seems resigned to just that. Oliver on the other hand, apart from his constant bickering with his players (which might be deemed inspiratory) Oliver is a National and International baller in the making. De fact dat Lasana write it dont make it no better because de powers dat be dont like he. Wim is in every game. He was in de Cali vs Petrotrin double header and he was also present in a empty marvin lee stadium ironically enough caught reading a TTpro magazine on guess who??? Oliver. So its really mind boggling to understand but I have made up my mind to de next time I see him in de stands I will go and directly a question. Stay tuned.... Marvin oliver deserves a call up if even to be dismissed because he cant cut it at that level per say but he definetly deserves a call up.
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More and more it comin to de light how good this player really is. For all who claim de never see de man play... trust meh de man can really ball. In de game where Cali lose 2 nil to Joe public in a match that saw Jagdeosingh, Kerry Baptiste and others.... It is only Oliver and Dawrika who showed that ability that can be clearly defined as a notch above the rest. Dawrika however is now a PFL player who seems resigned to just that. Oliver on the other hand, apart from his constant bickering with his players (which might be deemed inspiratory) Oliver is a National and International baller in the making. De fact dat Lasana write it dont make it no better because de powers dat be dont like he. Wim is in every game. He was in de Cali vs Petrotrin double header and he was also present in a empty marvin lee stadium ironically enough caught reading a TTpro magazine on guess who??? Oliver. So its really mind boggling to understand but I have made up my mind to de next time I see him in de stands I will go and directly a question. Stay tuned.... Marvin oliver deserves a call up if even to be dismissed because he cant cut it at that level per say but he definetly deserves a call up.
breddah, this is why some people have stressed the need for a local coach, now SH is a man i strongly believe will look at players like marvin and a few others and give them a chance, sometimes i feel outside coaches reserve themselves from selecting the best players for a team bc they know the potential of the country they are coaching, fight down comes in diff ways breddah... hence dwarika never making de WC squad, latas benching, hardest not being called up prior to qualification... 2 many questions on player selection...especially the most talented of our players also, if it was mediocre players, yea then thats fine, but these fellahs are the most talented...
God is de BOSS....
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More and more it comin to de light how good this player really is. For all who claim de never see de man play... trust meh de man can really ball. In de game where Cali lose 2 nil to Joe public in a match that saw Jagdeosingh, Kerry Baptiste and others.... It is only Oliver and Dawrika who showed that ability that can be clearly defined as a notch above the rest. Dawrika however is now a PFL player who seems resigned to just that. Oliver on the other hand, apart from his constant bickering with his players (which might be deemed inspiratory) Oliver is a National and International baller in the making. De fact dat Lasana write it dont make it no better because de powers dat be dont like he. Wim is in every game. He was in de Cali vs Petrotrin double header and he was also present in a empty marvin lee stadium ironically enough caught reading a TTpro magazine on guess who??? Oliver. So its really mind boggling to understand but I have made up my mind to de next time I see him in de stands I will go and directly a question. Stay tuned.... Marvin oliver deserves a call up if even to be dismissed because he cant cut it at that level per say but he definetly deserves a call up.
breddah, this is why some people have stressed the need for a local coach
Bertille woulda pick him?
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More and more it comin to de light how good this player really is. For all who claim de never see de man play... trust meh de man can really ball. In de game where Cali lose 2 nil to Joe public in a match that saw Jagdeosingh, Kerry Baptiste and others.... It is only Oliver and Dawrika who showed that ability that can be clearly defined as a notch above the rest. Dawrika however is now a PFL player who seems resigned to just that. Oliver on the other hand, apart from his constant bickering with his players (which might be deemed inspiratory) Oliver is a National and International baller in the making. De fact dat Lasana write it dont make it no better because de powers dat be dont like he. Wim is in every game. He was in de Cali vs Petrotrin double header and he was also present in a empty marvin lee stadium ironically enough caught reading a TTpro magazine on guess who??? Oliver. So its really mind boggling to understand but I have made up my mind to de next time I see him in de stands I will go and directly a question. Stay tuned.... Marvin oliver deserves a call up if even to be dismissed because he cant cut it at that level per say but he definetly deserves a call up.
breddah, this is why some people have stressed the need for a local coach
Bertille woulda pick him?
i said SH not bertille....
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More and more it comin to de light how good this player really is. For all who claim de never see de man play... trust meh de man can really ball. In de game where Cali lose 2 nil to Joe public in a match that saw Jagdeosingh, Kerry Baptiste and others.... It is only Oliver and Dawrika who showed that ability that can be clearly defined as a notch above the rest. Dawrika however is now a PFL player who seems resigned to just that. Oliver on the other hand, apart from his constant bickering with his players (which might be deemed inspiratory) Oliver is a National and International baller in the making. De fact dat Lasana write it dont make it no better because de powers dat be dont like he. Wim is in every game. He was in de Cali vs Petrotrin double header and he was also present in a empty marvin lee stadium ironically enough caught reading a TTpro magazine on guess who??? Oliver. So its really mind boggling to understand but I have made up my mind to de next time I see him in de stands I will go and directly a question. Stay tuned.... Marvin oliver deserves a call up if even to be dismissed because he cant cut it at that level per say but he definetly deserves a call up.
breddah, this is why some people have stressed the need for a local coach, now SH is a man i strongly believe will look at players like marvin and a few others and give them a chance, sometimes i feel outside coaches reserve themselves from selecting the best players for a team bc they know the potential of the country they are coaching, fight down comes in diff ways breddah... hence dwarika never making de WC squad, latas benching, hardest not being called up prior to qualification... 2 many questions on player selection...especially the most talented of our players also, if it was mediocre players, yea then thats fine, but these fellahs are the most talented...
God is de BOSS....
The man good granted ...... i've seen him play on to many occassions to wonder why he's not even given a call up .......however TI ...wha makes you feel SH will pick him either. I see you calling for a local coach ....but SH is not a local coach bredda. He local born but International through and through with an international mindset.
:beermug:
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More and more it comin to de light how good this player really is. For all who claim de never see de man play... trust meh de man can really ball. In de game where Cali lose 2 nil to Joe public in a match that saw Jagdeosingh, Kerry Baptiste and others.... It is only Oliver and Dawrika who showed that ability that can be clearly defined as a notch above the rest. Dawrika however is now a PFL player who seems resigned to just that. Oliver on the other hand, apart from his constant bickering with his players (which might be deemed inspiratory) Oliver is a National and International baller in the making. De fact dat Lasana write it dont make it no better because de powers dat be dont like he. Wim is in every game. He was in de Cali vs Petrotrin double header and he was also present in a empty marvin lee stadium ironically enough caught reading a TTpro magazine on guess who??? Oliver. So its really mind boggling to understand but I have made up my mind to de next time I see him in de stands I will go and directly a question. Stay tuned.... Marvin oliver deserves a call up if even to be dismissed because he cant cut it at that level per say but he definetly deserves a call up.
breddah, this is why some people have stressed the need for a local coach
Bertille woulda pick him?
Never!!
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I can belive that age is the reason why he is not getting picked, Latas was the mosted gifted baller on the team and could not get so sweat, cause he old. so in their mind if yuh old and not as good as Latas ride out.
I dont agree with this however, our talent pool is too small, invite the best players into camp, regardless of age or hairstyle and pick the best team.
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More and more it comin to de light how good this player really is. For all who claim de never see de man play... trust meh de man can really ball. In de game where Cali lose 2 nil to Joe public in a match that saw Jagdeosingh, Kerry Baptiste and others.... It is only Oliver and Dawrika who showed that ability that can be clearly defined as a notch above the rest. Dawrika however is now a PFL player who seems resigned to just that. Oliver on the other hand, apart from his constant bickering with his players (which might be deemed inspiratory) Oliver is a National and International baller in the making. De fact dat Lasana write it dont make it no better because de powers dat be dont like he. Wim is in every game. He was in de Cali vs Petrotrin double header and he was also present in a empty marvin lee stadium ironically enough caught reading a TTpro magazine on guess who??? Oliver. So its really mind boggling to understand but I have made up my mind to de next time I see him in de stands I will go and directly a question. Stay tuned.... Marvin oliver deserves a call up if even to be dismissed because he cant cut it at that level per say but he definetly deserves a call up.
breddah, this is why some people have stressed the need for a local coach
Bertille woulda pick him?
i said SH not bertille....
You say people want a local coach because foreign coach does fight down.
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i think all this press would be negative in his selection
win would read this and say he aint taking no chain-up
good article tho except when he say iz de first rastaman since brian williams???
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It early in the morning but lemme add some things. This thread have the potential to be ah 5 plus pager
1. Ti i see a case for marvin oliver but leave Hardest outta this. His footballing problems aitn oen about favoritism and more about not doing the right things. Skipping practice, playing passa passa when they ask HIM NOT TO :-\ and over all not doing the things he should but always have an excuse. Marvin have a family to feed also but he does what he suppose to.
I see marvin play quite a number of times back home and he is a very good player why he never get call up is anyones guess. How ever before beenie and wim we had quite a few local coaches no???
de coach could be local, international, it doh matter. ent dey say Bertille was fighting down Scotland, and Derek King was getting pick all de time. look how people doh undertsnad why Dunga keep pickin Vagner Love, why Beenie was stickin wit Stern. and when we have a local coach, people does say is plenty curry favour
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The man good granted ...... i've seen him play on to many occassions to wonder why he's not even given a call up .......however TI ...wha makes you feel SH will pick him either. I see you calling for a local coach ....but SH is not a local coach bredda. He local born but International through and through with an international mindset.
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Don't know if SH is the man for the Job, or the only man for the job, cause part of the equation is wheter anybody want it or not...can't say who woulda pick this guy on they team, but for a CALL UP, with so many MoM, I'm certain he would get a look...Cowen... where does T&T play and/or required to win...International, where does most of our best players ply their trade International...Team T&T if they are to be successful better strive towards becoming, whether or not "local born but International through and through with an international mindset"
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The man good granted ...... i've seen him play on to many occassions to wonder why he's not even given a call up .......however TI ...wha makes you feel SH will pick him either. I see you calling for a local coach ....but SH is not a local coach bredda. He local born but International through and through with an international mindset.
:beermug:
Don't know if SH is the man for the Job, or the only man for the job, cause part of the equation is wheter anybody want it or not...can't say who woulda pick this guy on they team, but for a CALL UP, with so many MoM, I'm certain he would get a look...Cowen... where does T&T play and/or required to win...International, where does most of our best players ply their trade International...Team T&T if they are to be successful better strive towards becoming, whether or not "local born but International through and through with an international mindset"
I hear what u saying Max but everyone keeps asking for a "local coach". Which local coach has the required experience to manage our national team. Sh's name keeps getting thrown out and like u rightly asked would he even want the job far less anyone.
Marvin is a baller ...and should have gotten a call up maybe 2-3 yrs ago .....but IMO the 2-3 yrs before WC we sould be blooding te youhs .... Leston Paul, Knox, and more from that under 17 squad. You never now ........ we could have a Messi (sic) in the making . Marvin age IMO definitely working against him if it's a team for the future we trying to build ......not one for a competiion.
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Marvin is a baller ...and should have gotten a call up maybe 2-3 yrs ago .....but IMO the 2-3 yrs before WC we sould be blooding te youhs .... Leston Paul, Knox, and more from that under 17 squad. You never now ........ we could have a Messi (sic) in the making . Marvin age IMO definitely working against him if it's a team for the future we trying to build ......not one for a competiion.
I eh buying de age ting because it have a few players in de same age range dat currently in de pool:
Gary Glasgow is 31
Trent Noel will be 31 in January
Errol McFarlane will be 30 next week
Keyeno Thomas will be 30 in December
It's a possiblity dat is because of non-footballing reasons dat dey eh calling him.
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Sad to see this. Oliver is one of if not the most in-form midfielder in T&T. That includes Jemmot and Spann when they were in PL. And he persevering right down to the end with at least 3 last minute goals to save Cali. He may not have the physical presence of Whitley but the man has what we most need on a local based team...serious passing ability and positional awareness and he could battle non-stop to the end. He well overshadow even Theobald at Cali. Say wha.....I eh de coach.
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Beenhakker used Latapy and dropped him like a hot bread. He had the nerve to say Latapy couldn't make the team and if wasn't for Latapy we would not have been in the 2006 world cup. Now Rijsbergen is another fool indeed. He have to realise that he must use what ever is available to him to the benefit of T&T football and not hold personal feelings towards anyone.
Its simple, you pick players who are inform. Oliver is the same age as Noel so I dont see the problem. Even if we can get one year out of him, then why not use that to your benefit. Dwarika is also playing some good ball. I am not saying to call everyone, but a trial would be nice.
Mixing a little old experience and youth is always important.
Come on Rijsbergen, get off your high horse !!!!!! before someone in T&T buss some slap on you and remind you that you are in T&T and not Holland..........
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I guess by now every one on here knows my feelings towards this player,you may want to call it personal.I like the discussion going on here but i think this should have nothing to do with where a Coach is from,weather it's local or foreign,this have to do with ones ability to play the game and if the guy is good enough he should be given the chance.
The Marvin i know is not the type of person that speaks or acts out but has aims and intentions,his game has always talked for him,he lets the public/Coaches be the judges,this is all he knows and can do and came back home because he thought he can make a living by it.There are a number of things that drives players and representing your national team is one of them,just getting called shows at least you are being recognized,at the moment the paycheck i guess is what drives him.
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Never seen Oliver play, but the article seems a bit biased and anti-Wim, so I taking it with a grain of salt.
Nevertheless if there is so much talk about this guy, then he must have something, and it probably wouldn't hurt to give him a look.
End of day, situations like this are as common as the cold. Every footballing society has a similar story, some more than others. Every locality has its football heroes worthy of nat'l selection....not everyone gets the break. Carlos Alberto Parreira says his mother used tuh call him up and buff him for not selecting certain players leading up to Brazil's triumph in WC 94.
Everybody has their own preferences and vision, from the man on the street to the expert in the industry.... and the coach is no exception. Local or foreign- same thing. TI yuh talkin' shit with your sweeping generalization- there is no benefit to an overseas coach to "fight down" local talent that deserves selection....That's just your conspiracy theory that has no basis. In this case, it seems that all of a sudden Oliver's support is overwhelming, but where was this support prior to the Gold Cup? Or is he now beginning to shine?
Good luck to Marvin, selection or not....just keep yuh head up and keep playing ball. Rewards manifest themselves in different ways. :beermug:
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Sad to see this. Oliver is one of if not the most in-form midfielder in T&T. That includes Jemmot and Spann when they were in PL. And he persevering right down to the end with at least 3 last minute goals to save Cali. He may not have the physical presence of Whitley but the man has what we most need on a local based team...serious passing ability and positional awareness and he could battle non-stop to the end. He well overshadow even Theobald at Cali. Say wha.....I eh de coach.
Like Wim gave McCommie the book on Oliver and sat back and watch Cali get dismantled :devil: Who is the fella that kept him quiet? Maybe he is deserving of a call up too ;D
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:rotfl: McComie taking credit where its not due. Oliver and dem was just resin fuh the FCB tommorow, and McComie want to claim is he brilliant tactics win de game.
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i say anybody with de name Marvine (or anyhow u spell it) is a bullah :devil:
ok just organic ;D
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More fodder to the anti-Wim fire...
Just a question.I'm sure everybody think about it but nobody want to bring it up.
The impression I get is that Oliver is a full flledged Rastafarian as opposed to just being a "Rasta".
Now,I'm no expert when it comes to Rastafarianism,but would he pass an international level drug test?
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marvin supposed to be on that team imagine de man was de best player for the first round in pro and they called 41 guys and de most outstandin not there that have nothing to do with football.
somebody say marvin supposed to be there abotu 3 yrs ago but marvin was with crab then went to north east starts and came back to crab befor de season was over so playin in super cup o don`t think that level was enough for him to get a call up esp back then there was no jacklist,
de man hopein for a call up but know it`s very unlikely, i think he spoke about it in a pro mag some time aback,
his dedication had a part to play also becasue when he just came back to trini he wasn`t really a driven player he was playin yea but wasn`t really doin it with heart, marvin and fellow crab player marlon warner were the 2 best local player up to recent, but unlike marvin marlon not really into all that trainin, he prefer de getto superstar
all de best marvin, hope de forget all other things and let de best players play.
take this and run with is david ;D
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More fodder to the anti-Wim fire...
Just a question.I'm sure everybody think about it but nobody want to bring it up.
The impression I get is that Oliver is a full flledged Rastafarian as opposed to just being a "Rasta".
Now,I'm no expert when it comes to Rastafarianism,but would he pass an international level drug test?
I'm no expert myself on the Rastafaria lifestyle/culture but it seems drugs a part of it,i'm not into discussing peoples personal life in public,if due to his lifestyle he did i don't think anyone here can say what he is up too at present.I remember Latapy saying how much he likes to relax with a smoke(meaning cigarettes), as a Trini we can take that to mean any thing,but people found it to be alright because it did not affect his playing career.Back to your question,he can't pass an international drug test if he is on drugs,but what about if he is not?we just can't speculate.
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Here we go again foreign vs local is a discussion 4 cars
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31 Years old and never entered the national pool? Hmm........
Now...i go agree that since players his age have been called up....he should too...but they have had national experience before. What stopped him from entering the pool before now? Extremely late bloomer?
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We don’t start to play for real until next June. Now is the perfect time to give Marvin Oliver an opportunity , irrespective of his age, to prove himself. Based on the role Marvin Oliver has played to put his team in a position to win the Pro League title, I am intrigued to find out how he would do against CONCACAF teams.
Knowing his history, Wim justly gave Kerwin Jemmott a chance to make the national team. Jemmott proved, all things being equal, that he could have been a major player in our quest to qualify for SA 2010. Jemmot also proved, unequivocally, that he should never be called to play for the national team again, because of a total lack of discipline and commitment.
Come on Wim!!! This is a no brainer. If you can invest your time and effort - getting nothing in return - in a player with a long track record of indicipline and a lack of commitment surely you can give Marvin Oliver a chance to see how he would do at a higher level. I have a feeling he would surprise you. Give him a chance Wim!!!
Allyuh doh find Marvin is built like Socrates? Mabe he might play like Socrates for we when Wim gives him the chance to play. ;D
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Marvin needs to groom his dreads...everybody knows this is why the elders (TTFA) is not recognizing his talents. Why are you so called Marvin wagonist afraid to say this to him ??? ??? ??
Look at any international players/athletes with similar hairstyles, they are maintained. If he does this and continues playing at an above average level then he would be called..for sure..if not by the national team then by some other foreign pro- team.
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Marvin needs to groom his dreads...everybody knows this is why the elders (TTFA) is not recognizing his talents. Why are you so called Marvin wagonist afraid to say this to him ??? ??? ??
Look at any international players/athletes with similar hairstyles, they are maintained. If he does this and continues playing at an above average level then he would be called..for sure..if not by the national team then by some other foreign pro- team.
That very well might be...dat greng greng and gri gri beff keeping him off de squad. But I think people issue is should that even be a consideration for him being in the mix or not.
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There is alot that can be read into management's decision if to choose him or not based on his extreme hairstyle, such as:
1) can we finds a similar level player with a style that they like?
2)Is he an exceptionally gifted and rare find that we cannot pass-up on ?
3) would he fit into the team's culture and image
4) Does his unkempt hair-style reflect his attitude to the game, if so, do we view this image as positive or negative ?
To me, and I could be wrong, but it is not just the coach or TTFA that are not checking him out. I am not seeing anyone writing about any scouts or sports manager inviting him to trials either. Thus, he should be smart and try to approach the situation from a different angle...if he really wants to play-for-big-pay :applause: :afro:
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i jus find we squad too old on the whole
ah real tentative when it cometo 2010
we have some old men on the squad who only tested locally. and we only playing small sides so we really car gauge where we fellas at.
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Marvin needs to groom his dreads...everybody knows this is why the elders (TTFA) is not recognizing his talents. Why are you so called Marvin wagonist afraid to say this to him ??? ??? ??
Look at any international players/athletes with similar hairstyles, they are maintained. If he does this and continues playing at an above average level then he would be called..for sure..if not by the national team then by some other foreign pro- team.
You have a good point there boss....I am ignorant about this topic. Is there specific legislation or written code covering grooming standards at international games than Oliver would be in contravention of, such as length of hair. Or is it an unwritten nudge-nudge, wink-wink kinda thing? Can it be cited as an specific encumberance to the opposing team or is an arbitrary preference?
Its too bad neither TTFF, the coach, Oliver, Caledonia or anyone has made this public that it was a mans appearance that kept him off the team. If he is rasta is it possible then the TTFF/coach could be actually discriminating against him based on his spiritual convictions?
That is the problem with arbitrary preferences, assuming this is arbitrary, is that they can come back and bite you in the ass. Local coaches can tell him to cut his hair. But If I were a European coach in a Caribbean nation my better judgement or my advisors might tell me that instead of telling a rasta to cut his hair, use age as an excuse so as to navigate around that hornets nest....he need to talk with Ian Clauzel. Anyway good points you raise? Can anyone with knowledge or background in sports management offer an opinion on this.
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ok, lets forget about age for a moment
In the past coaches have said that they do not pick fellas with dreads.
Now what would have happened if they invited those players and stipulated a "dress code or apperenace code policy" for these players to follow. These players may have done what it takes to get selected.
Instead they just Blank these fellas.
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Lets look at the MLB where Johnny Damon had a very unkept look "Damon gained some notoriety for the prominent beard and long, uncut hairstyle he brought with him to spring training in the 2004 season, contrasting with his previously clean-cut appearance. His long hair and beard actually came from an unlikely cause - his head on collision with Damian Jackson in Game 5 of the 2003 American League Division Series. Damon laid on the field unconscious for approximately five minutes. When he came to, Damon was completely disoriented, believing that he was still playing for his old team, the Oakland Athletics. The headaches came to disrupt his life to such a degree, that he stopped shaving and having his hair cut. So by the beginning of the 2004 season, he had an uncharacteristic big bushy beard and shoulder length hair. His new look, possibly coupled with the runaway success of the recently-released Mel Gibson film The Passion of the Christ, inspired fans and sportswriters to draw good-natured comparisons between his appearance and that of Jesus. (Some people also drew comparisons to Jim Morrison, the lead singer of The Doors, and to Charles Manson.)" and "Upon his move to the New York Yankees in 2006, team dress policy required he shaved and cut his hair."
Some will claim that he has become a better player because of that, but i believe it is because he "signed a 4-year, $52 million dollar contract with the New York Yankees." ;)
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ok, lets forget about age for a moment
In the past coaches have said that they do not pick fellas with dreads.
Now what would have happened if they invited those players and stipulated a "dress code or apperenace code policy" for these players to follow. These players may have done what it takes to get selected.
Instead they just Blank these fellas.
Lets look at the MLB where Johnny Damon had a very unkept look and "Upon his move to the New York Yankees in 2006, team dress policy required he shaved and cut his hair."
Some will claim that he has become a better player because of that, but i believe it is because he "signed a 4-year, $52 million dollar contract with the New York Yankees." ;)
Johnny Damon was never unkempt...the Yankees, George Steinbrenner in particular has always had an unwritten rule about facial hair on his squad. He's been willing to bend that a little for his superstars like Thurman Munson and Reggie Jackson back in the day...in the last decade he had a famous run in with Don Mattingly, before Mattingly gave in...then bent the rules for Wade Boggs. Other than that everyone else have had to toe the line.
this very well may be what's taking place here...as well it may not be. It's not like Wim wouldn't be familiar with dreadlocked players...from Ruud Gullit, to Davids to Latas...he's been around/familiar with them. If Oliver's hair maintenance regimen isn't to his liking...then I guess it would be within his rights as a coach to take that into consideration when selecting the team. If that is the case however then he needs to at least let the player be aware of that so that he can make a choice to groom or not groom himself accordingly.
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http://www.nalis.gov.tt/Biography/bio_IanClauzel_footballer.htm
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http://www.nalis.gov.tt/Biography/bio_IanClauzel_footballer.htm
"I lost confidence in the football system," he offers. "There was a lot of bias in the football at that time, especially at the national level."
Then he adds, philosophically: "I feel what is for a man is for a man. I does just deal with Life as it comes."
I can certainly understand the first statement...and relate to the second.
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Dat man was a boss long time.
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Marvin Oliver picks up First Citizens MVP
Monday, 08 October 2007
By Randy Bando...
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In spite of his club Caledonia AIA going under 2-0 to eventual First Citizens Cup winners W Connection in the final of the competition, midfielder Marvin Oliver was unanimously voted as the MVP of the month long knockout tournament.
Oliver, a regular to individual awards this season in the TT Pro League has proven that at age 34 he’s still capable of achieving many goals.
“It always feels good to win an individual award but overall in disappointed in the final,” said Oliver over his team’s failure to win the 2007 First Citizens Cup.
Oliver’s spirited performance during the competition against Tobago United in the quarterfinals, United Petrotrin in the semifinals and against W Connection in the final has earned him the MVP award.
Oliver scored against Tobago United and United Petrotrin earning himself the ‘Most Goals’ award, joint with teammate Walter Moore and W Connection’s Jonathon Frias.
Oliver explained that his team’s main focus this season is on the League title, but admits that W Connection played a much better game.
He said, “Despite our main focus being on the League this season, we were stretched a little bit because of injuries but saying that, hats off to W Connection. They played well; they executed their game plan much better than us. W Connection was W Connection and there is no doubt about their performance in the final.
Caledonia AIA are second in the League race with 48 points, one point behind leaders San Juan Jabloteh.
Oliver, Caledonia AIA’s marquee player has picked up numerous ‘Player of the Match’ votes as well as the MVP of Round One in the TT Pro League in only his first season with the ‘Stallions’.
Commenting on his personal performance against the ‘Savonnetta Boys’ as a converted striker in the finals, Oliver said, “W Connection’s defence was on top of their game. When you are a marquee player and two three players are always marking you, it’s going to be tough and I am only human.”
Despite his disappointment over his team’s failure to win the title, Oliver believes, football in Trinidad and Tobago benefited.
“Although W Connection won the finals, I think that football in Trinidad and Tobago really won. With the crowd, the talent of overseas and local players in the competition, really showed how improved football in T&T is,” said the Caledonia AIA midfielder.
Prior to the final, Caledonia had pledged to win the title for their Morvant/Lavantille community, but this promise was washed away by two goals from W Connection’s Dominican Republic striker Jonathon Frias in the second period.
Oliver said, “Our fans are going to be down a bit but when we look at it realistically, W Connection are much more financially secured than us. It’s a situation like Real Madrid playing one of the lower financed clubs. They(W Connection) have the money to get the best players, while we have players that are just rising out of communities and that explained how ready they were for this final,” ended the First Citizens Cup MVP.
Frias’ two goals in the finals pumped him in line with Caledonia AIA’s Marvin Oliver and Walter Moore as joint ‘Most Goals’ winners. Frias only at age 18 is also a member of the Dominican Republic senior squad. The lightening paced forward was introduced as a second half substitute by Coach Stuart Charles Fevrier, who later informed that it was a tactical maneuver.
W Connection coming into the final as defending champions completed a beaver-trick of the First Citizens Cup and an overall haul of five in its eight year history.
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Well I may have to support the Coach on this one (regrettably so and since most ah alyuh attacking him) Wim know he has an older side so i guess he's just trying tuh come away from the need for the older foogies on the side. I see no other reason other that or he just has scant regard for the locals
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the maths not really addin up and we all know them reporters and dem doh really do no setta research...but if Oliver is 34 that mean he shoulda be playin in the ssfl around the time of stern john and dat not soundin right...unless he was real overage when he was playin.
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...but if Oliver is 34 that mean he shoulda be playin in the ssfl around the time of stern john and dat not soundin right...unless he was real overage when he was playin.
Stern will be turning 31 at de end of dis month. Marvin would have been playing around de time of people like Dwarika and Nixon, but den again Liburd say de man is 32.
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How hard it is to get the man age right.
I doubt he is 34 but this article was on the pro league site itself so dem supposed to have the player records. :-\
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The wimp is ah genius .... judgement day coming.
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He could be 65 for all I care, if he can still get so much MoM and MVP, he is still capable of being better than the rest, and that is what matters to get a look/trial....sadly doh, if selected, and it doesn't work out on the day, ppl will point at his age, and not remember the alternatives....i.e. he is presently better than the rest....Coach look atl the man before he retire nah
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He could be 65 for all I care, if he can still get so much MoM and MVP, he is still capable of being better than the rest, and that is what matters to get a look/trial....sadly doh, if selected, and it doesn't work out on the day, ppl will point at his age, and not remember the alternatives....i.e. he is presently better than the rest....Coach look atl the man before he retire nah
Correction...he's presently better than what the Pro League has to offer.
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He could be 65 for all I care, if he can still get so much MoM and MVP, he is still capable of being better than the rest, and that is what matters to get a look/trial....sadly doh, if selected, and it doesn't work out on the day, ppl will point at his age, and not remember the alternatives....i.e. he is presently better than the rest....Coach look atl the man before he retire nah
Correction...he's presently better than what the Pro League has to offer.
true....I stand corrected... :-[
"Rijsbergen, after inviting 19 players for training, maintained that the list was not the actual squad for the international game but simply a pool from which players will be considered.
He had one overseas-based player in the mix, US-based Charleston Battery striker Andre Toussaint while there were recalls for Stephan David, Conrad Smith, Dwayne Jack, Trent Noel, Kerry Baptiste, Keyeno Thomas, Clyde Leon and goalkeeper Jan Michael Williams."
"The rest of the Senior team called for training on Tuesday included: Kern Cupid, Thomas Nickcolson, Keston Williams, Devon Jorsling, Terrence McAllister, Jason Springer, Jason Marcano, Cleon John, Tristan Charles and Glenton Wolfe"
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He could be 65 for all I care, if he can still get so much MoM and MVP, he is still capable of being better than the rest, and that is what matters to get a look/trial....sadly doh, if selected, and it doesn't work out on the day, ppl will point at his age, and not remember the alternatives....i.e. he is presently better than the rest....Coach look atl the man before he retire nah
Correction...he's presently better than what the Pro League has to offer.
true....I stand corrected... :-[
"Rijsbergen, after inviting 19 players for training, maintained that the list was not the actual squad for the international game but simply a pool from which players will be considered.
He had one overseas-based player in the mix, US-based Charleston Battery striker Andre Toussaint while there were recalls for Stephan David, Conrad Smith, Dwayne Jack, Trent Noel, Kerry Baptiste, Keyeno Thomas, Clyde Leon and goalkeeper Jan Michael Williams."
"The rest of the Senior team called for training on Tuesday included: Kern Cupid, Thomas Nickcolson, Keston Williams, Devon Jorsling, Terrence McAllister, Jason Springer, Jason Marcano, Cleon John, Tristan Charles and Glenton Wolfe"
I doh even know how they could justify saying Toussaint "overseas-based" when de man only stay in Charleston long enough tuh bade and change he clothes :D
I torn on this Oliver thing doh...if de man really 34 it kinda hard to justify giving him a spot over a younger player, unless the crop of younger players is significantly worse in the offering.
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Marvin and hardest would form an unbeatable midfiield especailly against caribbeen opposition who give time and space to play.
They will poison sides
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A 34-year old PFL player would most likely be a training cone in fast-paced international football.
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:banginghead: :-X
ah was going an say, check Iran captain(striker-37) and Italy captain(defender-33) 2006 WC......then realize though when selected they were still the best in their own leagues and among their local players, BUT hey, they never played in our PFL...we know how the Canavarro did...
In an interview with the Iran capt, after retirement..made a statement
"You successfully steered Iran to two FIFA World Cup tournaments, France 1998 and Germany 2006. However, the team failed to progress beyond the group stages on both occasions. Do you think it was due to a shortage of talent in the squad or bad luck?
It was neither bad luck nor performing poorly. We should accept what our level of football is. In the group stage of France 1998, we could have won against Yugoslavia or Germany had we enjoyed a bit more fortune. But they were stronger than us, so we lost. It was simple. "
here is the article (from Fifa.com)
http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/news/newsid=534462.html
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A 34-year old PFL player would most likely be a training cone in fast-paced international football.
Yes most likely the AVERAGE 34 year old PFLer would be a training cone. BUT if he is running harder than most, more intense than most and more skillful than most, who cares if he is in the PFL or is 34. Since when being in the PFL disqualifies you from being a good player. Yuh ever see Sheldon Emmanuel play. He could probably walk on we Senior team and challenge Avery or Nigel Daniel easy easy. Donèt forget 38 year old Latapy. He could still walk on the team too if he so pleased. I donèt know if you have seen Oliver play but there is a good reason that people are baffled by that exclusion. And its not just the exclusion. Is the damn randomness with which the TTFF bases selection that does get my goat.
Peace
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mind you I never see the man play, an don't know him from Adam, buh if the man consistently gettin props, and results, from the league as well as fans...then make the training 20 instead of 19 nah...use him as ah best cone and then drop him if he not playing to yuh standard or the rest of 19 running round him like ah cone.....at least he will give the young fast paced players some kinda experience if nuthen else..... I orf this topic..dun buttin wall :-X
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Yeh this get beat to death. I done here as well.
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mind you I never see the man play, an don't know him from Adam, buh if the man consistently gettin props, and results, from the league as well as fans...then make the training 20 instead of 19 nah...use him as ah best cone and then drop him if he not playing to yuh standard or the rest of 19 running round him like ah cone.....at least he will give the young fast paced players some kinda experience if nuthen else..... I orf this topic..dun buttin wall :-X
marvin is 31 and what age have to do with a guy playing at his best, again an again this guy is out playing every player in the league, is time some one let those coaches in trinidad know what time it is, is time mr warner and company open their eyes and select real coaches for our country, look at our under23 and under 17 teams, where mc'comie and anton ever coach, what is their track record, these guys just start to coach and now they is coaches of our national teams going to a world cup and olimpic tournament, mc' comie was very fortunate to have a owner like mr. warner that financially support joe public soccer team, which help him make a little name for himself for the past three years and for mr. anton what club team he ever coach and if so what is his achievement, not because you have a coaching license or you living through your father past and what he has achieve you think that give you the right to be our national team coach, thats why our soccer is where it is today.
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mind you I never see the man play, an don't know him from Adam, buh if the man consistently gettin props, and results, from the league as well as fans...then make the training 20 instead of 19 nah...use him as ah best cone and then drop him if he not playing to yuh standard or the rest of 19 running round him like ah cone.....at least he will give the young fast paced players some kinda experience if nuthen else..... I orf this topic..dun buttin wall :-X
marvin is 31 and what age have to do with a guy playing at his best, again an again this guy is out playing every player in the league, is time some one let those coaches in trinidad know what time it is, is time mr warner and company open their eyes and select real coaches for our country, look at our under23 and under 17 teams, where mc'comie and anton ever coach, what is their track record, these guys just start to coach and now they is coaches of our national teams going to a world cup and olimpic tournament, mc' comie was very fortunate to have a owner like mr. warner that financially support joe public soccer team, which help him make a little name for himself for the past three years and for mr. anton what club team he ever coach and if so what is his achievement, not because you have a coaching license or you living through your father past and what he has achieve you think that give you the right to be our national team coach, thats why our soccer is where it is today.
So basically you using de Oliver thread to come grind yuh axe against Wim, Corneal and McComie....seen.
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this is not about oliver only, over the years gone by, there is a lot of players in the past that should of been on our national team and was over look in the same manner oliver is being over look, if you is a true and die heart fan of our national team over the years gone by, you will know what i am speaking about.
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31 Years old and never entered the national pool? Hmm........
Now...i go agree that since players his age have been called up....he should too...but they have had national experience before. What stopped him from entering the pool before now? Extremely late bloomer?
Oliver was in de pool before.
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The Real Reason Marvin Oliver Cyar make a TT side
Now is a while I knew this info but I couldnt post it just so. It is more than skill and ability that enables you to make a side.
I does like meh conspiracy theories........ but this is as plain as day. If the man cant get a US visa he cannot play in most of our WC games because all central American games you have to pass tru Miami intransit. He cyar play against the US in the US, he cyar play vs Guatemala and only if they have a direct flight to Cuba he eligible for that game. So why put a player in the squad who cannot be used.
2) His coach is Shabazz who is persona non grata in the US and who does not have a visa either. Remember Jack bail him out from Miami. When you applying for a visa you have to send to the embassy a job letter. When they see who is he boss it have no way they granting him that.
3) He old, why give him caps and yuh cant sell him. No overseas club in the world buying a man over 30 who never get a cap. He cannot meet the UK caps criteria. Let that space be reserved for a youth who is 17-20 and have a future.
4) If you read below he is moving to Jabloteh...maybe that has something to do with point 2 above.
Jabloteh sign Marvin Oliver. (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=33404.msg388039#msg388039)
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well done touches :beermug:
God is de BOSS....
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Oliver, a lanky midfielder with an impressive passing range, has agreed to join 2007 T&T Pro League champions, CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh, and is waiting only to explain his move to Caledonia coach Jamaal Shabazz before signing his new contract.
He's waiting to explain the move to Shabazz and anxious to get his blessing yet he's broadcasting it to the entire nation through Liburd ???
I don't understand this Oliver fella at all.
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Solution For Marvin.
I was discussing this with Swima and he came up with this solution which can be done.
Marvin cannot play in the US game in the US or for any future Gold Cup Match.
He is only eliminated from 1 WC game as of now..theoretically 2 if TT makes it to the Hex.
If the TTFF wants to they can hire a charter plane and fly direct to each country eliminating the intransit problem.
Can it be done?...YES
Will it be done?...Who knows
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will it be done for one 32 yr old rasta pro league player without a visa
nope
fire bun jabloteh give we guerra nah and we should move for skillachi too
damn u fenrick!
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TOuches, i think shabazz travel after that episode with the ladies team....
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Solution For Marvin.
I was discussing this with Swima and he came up with this solution which can be done.
Marvin cannot play in the US game in the US or for any future Gold Cup Match.
He is only eliminated from 1 WC game as of now..theoretically 2 if TT makes it to the Hex.
If the TTFF wants to they can hire a charter plane and fly direct to each country eliminating the intransit problem.
Can it be done?...YES
Will it be done?...Who knows
never happen
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This is a question I would like someone to research. Touches indicated that Marvin cyar get a visa which I agree with. However, does FIFA not get involved. So all the USA hah to do is deny we players a VISA and we have a jokey squad?
What is the criteria? Must a nation grant entry to their country for any player regardless of the situation for a FIFA santioned event?
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This is a question I would like someone to research. Touches indicated that Marvin cyar get a visa which I agree with. However, does FIFA not get involved. So all the USA hah to do is deny we players a VISA and we have a jokey squad?
What is the criteria? Must a nation grant entry to their country for any player regardless of the situation for a FIFA santioned event?
Yeah goood one...FIFA telling Cheney and Rumsfelt how to do day ting...I dont think that would ever happen.
Even airlines that FLY over the USA, I believe have to give passenger info to the USA
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Is Puerto Rico also considered a US territory ?
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Jabloteh sign Marvin Oliver.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).[/size]
Caledonia's talisman heads home
Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA co-captain and talisman Marvin Oliver has played his last game for the "Eastern Stallions".
Oliver, a lanky midfielder with an impressive passing range, has agreed to join 2007 T&T Pro League champions, CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh, and is waiting only to explain his move to Caledonia coach Jamaal Shabazz before signing his new contract.
There seems to be very little that Shabazz, who Oliver described as a "father figure", can do to change the mind of his most gifted asset. Oliver said the lure of rejoining his first club proved irresistible.
"I started playing with Jabloteh from the age of nine up until I was 17 when I went away to live," Oliver told the Express. "I live in Bourg Mulattrasse (again) and this is an opportunity for me to play for my home-base team. Not many professionals away or at home get that chance.
"It is not about money or Jabloteh being a bigger club."
Jabloteh coach and former England World Cup defender Terry Fenwick is excited to add arguably the 2007 Pro League's best player to his squad and feels confident that the playmaker will help the "San Juan Kings" win more trophies.
Fenwick confided that Oliver, whose Caledonia contract expired in the close season, would join Jabloteh on a two-year deal for roughly the same salary he received with his former employers.
"I followed him a lot last season and I thought he was outstanding," said Fenwick. "For me, he was player of the year. He always wants to win and he showed a great appetite for the game and his work ethic even without the ball was fantastic."
Jabloteh, who had arguably the Pro League's youngest squad last term, managed just one trophy in 2007 but it was the most important one. Fenwick believes the 32-year-old Oliver can offer experience and leadership to the club while also adding variety to their play.
Suspended national coach and ex-Holland World Cup player Wim Rijsbergen expressed skepticism, last year, about Oliver's ability to assert himself on matches. Fenwick, a former Tottenham defender, disagreed.
"I think he is a leader," said Fenwick. "He is a captain-type player on and off the pitch and he led by example at Caledonia. And I think Trinidad and Tobago lacks leaders on the pitch...
"Unfortunately, a lot of Trinidad and Tobago players don't look like what European coaches might want... People might not recognise the great player he is underneath the dreadlocks and because of his (thin) physical presence."
Oliver admitted he had not discussed Jabloteh's direct style with his new coach but hopes they adjust their game slightly to suit his subtlety through the centre. Just as important to him, though, is his exit interview with Caledonia.
Oliver, although a free agent, is anxious to receive Shabazz's blessing. His last Pro League outing was a 2-1 loss to Jabloteh in December that assured the San Juan club of the 2007 title and confined Caledonia to third place.
Oliver will help Jabloteh defend their crown this year but does not want Caledonia fans to view him as a turncoat.
"I just want them to understand it wasn't a betrayal," he said. "It is an opportunity for a youngster in Caledonia to step up. That is the nature of the game...when you do well people will come for you and, if it was any other team, I wouldn't have moved.
"I love Caledonia and I love Jamaal and the things he helped me with. He is a father figure. But Jabloteh is the first club I played for and it is the opportunity to close off my career with the team I started with."
Last season, Jabloteh prematurely announced the capture of Caledonia's St Lucian defender Sheldon Emmanuel only for Shabazz to talk his prized asset into remaining with the Stallions. Shabazz appears to face a much tougher task in denying Jabloteh this time.
Oliver kayoed by visa problems.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
Trinidad and Tobago midfielder Marvin Oliver must wait a bit longer to make his senior international debut after visa problems thwarted his bid to line up in Puerto Rico on Saturday.
Oliver's performances with Neal & Massy Caledonia AIA last season won him a call up under caretaker coach Anton Corneal, but he was surprised and disappointed to be omitted from this weekend's international against Puerto Rico.
However, a Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) source revealed that the lanky attacker was still suffering the backlash for living illegally in the United States in his younger days.
It is a situation that the local federation hopes to sort out before the start of the 2010 World Cup qualifying campaign.
The 32-year-old Oliver is poised to complete his move from Caledonia to T&T Pro League champions, CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh, but he is even more anxious to become a "Soca Warrior".
Trinidad and Tobago's next home assignment against Guadeloupe on February 6 has now taken up more significance for Oliver. The match will mark the centennial anniversary for the Federation.
It is a red-letter day for Rastafarians as well.
"The Guadeloupe game is important because it is a home game and is celebrating the century for the home association," said the dreadlocked player.
"But the sixth of February is also (late reggae superstar) Bob Marley's 'earth day' which makes it all the more special for me."
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Is Puerto Rico also considered a US territory ?
Dis article might help (http://welcome.topuertorico.org/government.shtml)
it says
"Puerto Rico has authority over its internal affairs. United States
controls: interstate trade, foreign relations and commerce, customs
administration, control of air, land and sea, immigration and emigration,
nationality and citizenship, currency, maritime laws, military service,
military bases, army, navy and air force, declaration of war,
constitutionality of laws, jurisdictions and legal procedures, treaties,
radio and television--communications, agriculture, mining and minerals,
highways, postal system; Social Security, and other areas generally
controlled by the federal government in the United States."
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Is Puerto Rico also considered a US territory ?
Pretty much...
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Not all career moves have to be about money, trust me I am learning this lesson everyday at my desk. But to end a season highly regarded as the best midfielder in the league and not get a pay raise from the next contract...i dont see that as very smart at all.
Unless Fenwich tell him he go get to play abroad by playing under him.
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This is a question I would like someone to research. Touches indicated that Marvin cyar get a visa which I agree with. However, does FIFA not get involved. So all the USA hah to do is deny we players a VISA and we have a jokey squad?
What is the criteria? Must a nation grant entry to their country for any player regardless of the situation for a FIFA santioned event?
What, pray tell...can FIFA tell the US Department of State? Has Condoleeza Rice ever even heard of FIFA?
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So who will take the back seat for oliver now guerra?
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But what Oliver have to do with Shabazz ? so you telling me no Caledonia players could play in the US ? or is the real and only reason is Oliver staying illegally in the US.
Atullah Guerra, time to step up....
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This is a question I would like someone to research. Touches indicated that Marvin cyar get a visa which I agree with. However, does FIFA not get involved. So all the USA hah to do is deny we players a VISA and we have a jokey squad?
What is the criteria? Must a nation grant entry to their country for any player regardless of the situation for a FIFA santioned event?
Arimaman, is ah long time you haven't tried applying for a VISA?.....just last week my best friend's 9 year old son was interrogated by Embassy officials, I guess just to see if there was any inconsistency in the info provided by her.....dey dread with dey VISA dese days....
Boy, things eh looking too bright for Mr. Oliver.....
What, pray tell...can FIFA tell the US Department of State? Has Condoleeza Rice ever even heard of FIFA?
Heh, heh, heh......good one dey B&S.....Good one....
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DoJ Immigration Law states if a person overstays in the US less than 1 year he is barred from the country for 3 years. Over a 1 year he is barred for 10 years...
I guess he needs to stay fit... ;D and when he is 42 (may be less) he'll be straight...
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Lisana say dey lookin into it
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Then Why was Shabazz the Head Women's coach so long? They knew his background and his inability to go the the USA, yet they kept him as the Head Coach forever.
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If you live in the USA as a child (below 18) then they don't count that against your Status. Also if you voluntarily leave the USA for your home country you can apply again after a certain amount of years and be considered.
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ok...
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Then Why was Shabazz the Head Women's coach so long? They knew his background and his inability to go the the USA, yet they kept him as the Head Coach forever.
Maybe nobody else was interested in the job?
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This is a question I would like someone to research. Touches indicated that Marvin cyar get a visa which I agree with. However, does FIFA not get involved. So all the USA hah to do is deny we players a VISA and we have a jokey squad?
What is the criteria? Must a nation grant entry to their country for any player regardless of the situation for a FIFA santioned event?
What, pray tell...can FIFA tell the US Department of State? Has Condoleeza Rice ever even heard of FIFA?
No, but FIFA does have power and influence. Who is to say that some other country cannot bar another player from playing in that country especially for a WC.
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This issue may not be classified as a State Department problem but something implemented by Department of Justice US Immigration or a Homeland Security thing.
I doubt the FiFA have that much clout with the State Department... They may be able to influence things in other countries but this is the US of A and we (only cause I live here, I am a trini resident though) are the bullies of the world. She'll be like," f@ck FIFA.... who are they by the way G.W?" Do you really think an American would give anyone a chance or advantage to be better than them in anything...
Let's reason here... sorry Oliver, that's the way the crix does crumble!
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Must a nation grant entry to their country for any player regardless of the situation for a FIFA santioned event?
Nope. At its worst, this would allow sport to provide a sort of safe haven for criminals or dangerous individuals. Some nations have dangerous enemies (real or suspected) and they put a lot of resources into keeping them out. FIFA doesn't have the power to override that...nor should they.
For less serious offenses, I could definitely see the TTFF (or a nation's FA generally speaking), and in very rare instances, FIFA stepping in to try to work out a solution for an individual or a team. Success may not be guaranteed, but no harm in trying to work with authorities, especially if there is some sort of misunderstanding.
and don't worry about the US weakening a T&T team by purposefully denying visas to better players. for one..they don't rate us. and it really makes no sense, since everyone would just return the favor.
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This is a question I would like someone to research. Touches indicated that Marvin cyar get a visa which I agree with. However, does FIFA not get involved. So all the USA hah to do is deny we players a VISA and we have a jokey squad?
What is the criteria? Must a nation grant entry to their country for any player regardless of the situation for a FIFA santioned event?
What, pray tell...can FIFA tell the US Department of State? Has Condoleeza Rice ever even heard of FIFA?
No, but FIFA does have power and influence. Who is to say that some other country cannot bar another player from playing in that country especially for a WC.
nothing is impossible..but this is counterproductive. countries that host the world cup try to generate good PR, and garner goodwill. they want to be viewed by the world in a positive light and often use the WC to be a catalyst to boost the economy as a whole. doing something as foolish as refusing entry to a player on no legal grounds (especially a star player) could result in any number of things from bad publicity to the nation pulling out of the tournament to reduced revenues. After spending hundreds of millions of dollars on infrastructure and years of prep...it is highly unlikely a nation will try to saboptage its own tournament and taint its global image
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Touches, intelligent thread and nice piece of home work dey family.
Well as usual, ah taking ah quick log in, just tuh see who need tuh get large up (Touches), who need tuh get small up (still searching), who need tuh get cuss up (still searching) and who thread ah need tuh mash up (still searching). All yuh know there is no drama on dis forum, unless Supa in it. So meh dey ah, ah taking ah quick check and den dip again ;) ;D. HIGHLY BLESSED.
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Touches, intelligent thread and nice piece of home work dey family.
Well as usual, ah taking ah quick log in, just tuh see who need tuh get large up (Touches), who need tuh get small up (still searching), who need tuh get cuss up (still searching) and who thread ah need tuh mash up (still searching). All yuh know there is no drama on dis forum, unless Supa in it. So meh dey ah, ah taking ah quick check and den dip again ;) ;D. HIGHLY BLESSED.
always amusing meh Supa, big up bredda!
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This is a question I would like someone to research. Touches indicated that Marvin cyar get a visa which I agree with. However, does FIFA not get involved. So all the USA hah to do is deny we players a VISA and we have a jokey squad?
What is the criteria? Must a nation grant entry to their country for any player regardless of the situation for a FIFA santioned event?
What, pray tell...can FIFA tell the US Department of State? Has Condoleeza Rice ever even heard of FIFA?
No, but FIFA does have power and influence. Who is to say that some other country cannot bar another player from playing in that country especially for a WC.
nothing is impossible..but this is counterproductive. countries that host the world cup try to generate good PR, and garner goodwill. they want to be viewed by the world in a positive light and often use the WC to be a catalyst to boost the economy as a whole. doing something as foolish as refusing entry to a player on no legal grounds (especially a star player) could result in any number of things from bad publicity to the nation pulling out of the tournament to reduced revenues. After spending hundreds of millions of dollars on infrastructure and years of prep...it is highly unlikely a nation will try to saboptage its own tournament and taint its global image
I understand your perspective but Marvin is no criminal threat to the US as far as I know. That is why I believe he could probably be able to get a visa, albeit it may be a one entry type situation. Jamal Shabazz was totally different b/c of the terrorism concerns but Marvin did nothing of the sort.
Sad part is I live in the US too, is a naturalized citizen and I tend to agree that the US really doh care bout nobody.
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nice we coming for d title again!!!!! guerrra will learn from the master
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while that is a great point, marvin won`t make a national team even if he had a visa,
Y call him to trail if u already knew he can`t fly thru the us, to make it look like he was givine a fair chance and he`s wasn`t good enough ( he is deff good enough). but atlease they can say de man was there in trail and he didn`t step up.
how u think de man will feel seein conrad makein de side befor him, or stephan ( very happy he`s there ;D) makin it befor him, but from semi pro to playin for one of the top pfl teams is a great step so well done marvin, iknow you wanna play for tnt but u not gonna let dem keep u down,
he said it best himself. ' won`t play for a national team again but hopeing against all odds'
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I played on the Staten Island Vipers with Marvin in 1999. He didn't have visa problems then... what happened? Marvin was and is a very good player. I can almost guarantee that Jabloteh want him because he is a quality player still, and has pace and vision even at 32. Age is not really a factor because when I was 33 at Colorado I won defender of the year. At 36 I won MVP with Totronto Lynx, so the argument about age is ridiculous. Even Brent Sancho at 31 is very capable, and more prepared than all the defenders at camp right now. I find that alot of the people on this forum think that just because a player is young he should be a shoe-in for international duty, but that level football requires things that alot of the young pplayers in T&T do not have yet. They need gamesmanship, and that comes from playing higher level football on a consistent basis. College football in the U.S is not a good barometer for whether a player will be good internationally. It is not a bad barometer for professional club football, but international football is a different animal. I can bet Julius James will do well at Toronto FC but at the international level I can't say for sure what his play will be like. How will he play against a Carlos Ruiz or Jared Borgetti. In that situation I think Brent would be the better choice right now.
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Mr Titus good talks there
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Yep Rick yuh real slick wit yuh comments. We luv to right peeps off
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I played on the Staten Island Vipers with Marvin in 1999. He didn't have visa problems then... what happened? Marvin was and is a very good player. I can almost guarantee that Jabloteh want him because he is a quality player still, and has pace and vision even at 32. Age is not really a factor because when I was 33 at Colorado I won defender of the year. At 36 I won MVP with Totronto Lynx, so the argument about age is ridiculous. Even Brent Sancho at 31 is very capable, and more prepared than all the defenders at camp right now. I find that alot of the people on this forum think that just because a player is young he should be a shoe-in for international duty, but that level football requires things that alot of the young pplayers in T&T do not have yet. They need gamesmanship, and that comes from playing higher level football on a consistent basis. College football in the U.S is not a good barometer for whether a player will be good internationally. It is not a bad barometer for professional club football, but international football is a different animal. I can bet Julius James will do well at Toronto FC but at the international level I can't say for sure what his play will be like. How will he play against a Carlos Ruiz or Jared Borgetti. In that situation I think Brent would be the better choice right now.
Agreed. I disgree with rejection of a player based purely on age. Current form, ability and compatibility with a proposed scheme of playing should be more decisive. Beyond that, incorporating the player into national training doesn't translate automatically into making it to all away matches or being used during all qualifying rounds. Some players bring a dynamic that can enhance a training environment. I can't comment on Oliver's specific situation in this respect, but I know enough about players to resist the idea of blanking players on demographics.
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This issue may not be classified as a State Department problem but something implemented by Department of Justice US Immigration or a Homeland Security thing.
State Department administers passports and visa issues.
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With respect to the need for a visa ... I have said before and I'll say again ... Why do we remain locked blindly in this 'via Miami' mindset? It has wrought havoc in a number of situations in the past and presumably will continue to do so.
There are direct flights to Central American destinations EVERY DAY out of Caracas. EVERY DAY! Not only do these flights obviate the need for dealing with the US, they are also practical for other reasons. Certainly, they are cheaper than charters.
A couple other considerations apply as well, but I'll leave it here.
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Trinidadians hav d most batty man I ever come across ,is like alyuh does just maco pplz buisness.this c$nt find out something that he probably wasnt nothing he knew personally he probably hear ppl talkin that talk and run on here to run he dick suckers .
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Trinidadians hav d most batty man I ever come across ,is like alyuh does just maco pplz buisness.this c$nt find out something that he probably wasnt nothing he knew personally he probably hear ppl talkin that talk and run on here to run he dick suckers .
uuuhhhh.....whey all yuh does come out??...... ??? chupsss....
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Trinidadians hav d most batty man I ever come across ,is like alyuh does just maco pplz buisness.this c$nt find out something that he probably wasnt nothing he knew personally he probably hear ppl talkin that talk and run on here to run he dick suckers .
man change yur name
nutten trini in you
yardy
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With respect to the need for a visa ... I have said before and I'll say again ... Why do we remain locked blindly in this 'via Miami' mindset? It has wrought havoc in a number of situations in the past and presumably will continue to do so.
There are direct flights to Central American destinations EVERY DAY out of Caracas. EVERY DAY! Not only do these flights obviate the need for dealing with the US, they are also practical for other reasons. Certainly, they are cheaper than charters.
A couple other considerations apply as well, but I'll leave it here.
Only problem with that is the reliability of any flight going to caracas and leaving on time .... we may not get to the game in time :beermug:
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With respect to the need for a visa ... I have said before and I'll say again ... Why do we remain locked blindly in this 'via Miami' mindset? It has wrought havoc in a number of situations in the past and presumably will continue to do so.
There are direct flights to Central American destinations EVERY DAY out of Caracas. EVERY DAY! Not only do these flights obviate the need for dealing with the US, they are also practical for other reasons. Certainly, they are cheaper than charters.
A couple other considerations apply as well, but I'll leave it here.
Only problem with that is the reliability of any flight going to caracas and leaving on time .... we may not get to the game in time :beermug:
Even when the team reach Caracas late...they would be minus their gears. Them fellas does actually break open yuh luggage and take out what they want, and Aeropostal does nothing about it by way of compensation.
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Miami has a documented history wid that too ... plenty AA baggage handlers geh hold for dat scene ... anyway, both a dem issues solvable ... by the way, in MIA ah use to see hermetically-sealed bags on a regular ... dem shrink wrap, saran wrap man was making beaucoup $$$$$$$
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After making 2007 his most successful season in professional football, what's next for the dreadlocked midfielder? What else do you want to know? Well, now is your chance to get up close and personal with Marvin Oliver. The Warrior Nation Media is in the process of securing an interview with Marvin after he returns from Scotland. If you have any questions for Marvin, please e-mail them ASAP to media@thewarriornation.com.
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Rehash...
1. How old are you? Some have you as old as 35.
2. What are you career aspirations at this point, given your age (whatever that may be)
3. What are your aspirations vis-a-vis the national team. How does it tie into your professional goals and are those dual goals realistic in your view point
4. In what way do you think the situation involving your transfer from Caledonia to Jabloteh could have been handled more smoothly.
5. What would you consider to be your biggest career disappointment? What contributed to it in your mind?
6. What is your notion of what constitutes a 'Professional' and in what ways do you think you conform or differ from that standard.
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I know that we supposed to email but I would like to see what others are asking.
How many more seasons do you think you have in the tank?
What are your aspiration after you hang up your boots?
What could have been done earlier in your career to get you to the playing level you are at now?
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re: questions for Marvin
1. Has your passport situation been sorted out?
2. After having a great season and missing a call up to the national outfit, how do you keep yourself motivated?
3. Much ahs been made about the poor standard of play in the Pro League by the old Dutch contingent, what are your feelings about the past comments and how do you rate the pro league?
4. If you could make one plea to the fans in T&T what would it be?
5. Are you a member of FPATT? If not, why? And do you intend to join.
Respect, and thanks for taking the time to answer our questions.
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why do you fall so much when contesting balls ???
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I just saw on cnc3 he won the MVP of the ttproleague, with a trophy and new car. Have he ever got called up for trials? How good is he? And thank you ttproleague for not fixing your website, you continued excellence in marketing is truely honored. You have a big award ceremony and aint fix the website. What you webmaster busy making the trophies out cast away oil barrels?
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I just saw on cnc3 he won the MVP of the ttproleague, with a trophy and new car. Have he ever got called up for trials? How good is he? And thank you ttproleague for not fixing your website, you continued excellence in marketing is truely honored. You have a big award ceremony and aint fix the website. What you webmaster busy making the trophies out cast away oil barrels?
He played for the Trinidad and Tobago National team already. He has visa issues though and that is also going to affect his availability with the national team.
kingman
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Marvin congrats and nuff respect...someone from duncan street....representing...this is kingfish giving a shout..out....so if yuh reading this...keep the faith...yuh will make the national team...for south africa 2010
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Pro League have dat kinda money...to be giving 'way motor car?
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I just saw on cnc3 he won the MVP of the ttproleague, with a trophy and new car. Have he ever got called up for trials? How good is he? And thank you ttproleague for not fixing your website, you continued excellence in marketing is truely honored. You have a big award ceremony and aint fix the website. What you webmaster busy making the trophies out cast away oil barrels?
He played for the Trinidad and Tobago National team already. He has visa issues though and that is also going to affect his availability with the national team.
kingman
oh lord, hope he get the visa issue fixed. First thing the man say is that he want to play for the national team. Like that really hurt him
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He just play Ash Wed for the new coach.
Doh think he was available for the El Salvador game so probably why he wasn't called for the JA game.
If he cah travel to Miami dat cud be pressure cuz they connect there for plenty games....unless u can just go in a transit lounge but I doubt.
Well just push for that Puerto Rico game and hopefully he get call to training (better go despite what yuh club coach say lol)
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I just saw on cnc3 he won the MVP of the ttproleague, with a trophy and new car. Have he ever got called up for trials? How good is he? And thank you ttproleague for not fixing your website, you continued excellence in marketing is truely honored. You have a big award ceremony and aint fix the website. What you webmaster busy making the trophies out cast away oil barrels?
He played for the Trinidad and Tobago National team already. He has visa issues though and that is also going to affect his availability with the national team.
kingman
The head women's coach of T&T can't enter the USA nad coaching a National team, so why Marvin can't get on the team?
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wait nuh is gallas who trying to hide his face in that pic
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is long time it hurtin de man,
but keep yu head up bro, it wil happen :beermug: :beermug:
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He just play Ash Wed for the new coach.
Doh think he was available for the El Salvador game so probably why he wasn't called for the JA game.
If he cah travel to Miami dat cud be pressure cuz they connect there for plenty games....unless u can just go in a transit lounge but I doubt.
Well just push for that Puerto Rico game and hopefully he get call to training (better go despite what yuh club coach say lol)
I don't believe they have them in transit lounge anymore. If you passing in the US then you must have a visa if my memory serves correct.
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Just curios to know... Why do papers always say a motor car... why not a car?????
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i doubt oliver going to get anymore call ups...based on anotn comment a few weeks back
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Well dey say God is a Trini, so I guess He should play for the national team
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i doubt oliver going to get anymore call ups...based on anotn comment a few weeks back
What Anton say about him, I know Anton have great influence on Maturana that's why he have so much youth getting burn fi the ssquad
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Just curios to know... Why do papers always say a motor car... why not a car?????
Dai'z one of the many 'British-ism' that remain in our vocabulary.
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Pro League have dat kinda money...to be giving 'way motor car?
Sponsorhip. They doh have to spend no money.
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i doubt oliver going to get anymore call ups...based on anotn comment a few weeks back
What Anton say about him, I know Anton have great influence on Maturana that's why he have so much youth getting burn fi the ssquad
well the coach comments
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=161296829
Coach came in, he said it is always good to have young players within your squad. And sometimes it's better to have players 18, 19, 20 with potential, than players 28, 29, 30, who have reached their limit. The ones with potential can possibly even go further."
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i doubt oliver going to get anymore call ups...based on anotn comment a few weeks back
What Anton say about him, I know Anton have great influence on Maturana that's why he have so much youth getting burn fi the ssquad
well the coach comments
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=161296829
Coach came in, he said it is always good to have young players within your squad. And sometimes it's better to have players 18, 19, 20 with potential, than players 28, 29, 30, who have reached their limit. The ones with potential can possibly even go further."
So daiz it for Hardest den?... :-\
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Pro League have dat kinda money...to be giving 'way motor car?
Sponsorhip. They doh have to spend no money.
Yeah I didn't mean that they literally expended the money....but commenting on the value of the prize, still pretty impressive that they can afford such a prize (it's still theirs to give...albeit in the sponsor's name).
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Well dey say God is a Trini, so I guess He should play for the national team
Post of the year!!!!
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i doubt oliver going to get anymore call ups...based on anotn comment a few weeks back
What Anton say about him, I know Anton have great influence on Maturana that's why he have so much youth getting burn fi the ssquad
well the coach comments
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=161296829
Coach came in, he said it is always good to have young players within your squad. And sometimes it's better to have players 18, 19, 20 with potential, than players 28, 29, 30, who have reached their limit. The ones with potential can possibly even go further."
So daiz it for Hardest den?... :-\
Age is only ah number! It have men like Latas and Yorke still playing ball. How old was Zidian when he gave up playing? Well if tha is how them thinking then yuh could geh real licks with yuh young team. Wait till they geh around 28-30 for experience...then start all over again. You've got to have a mixed team of players to reach the top. Who will the young players learn from? In ah way it's a good idea...but it will take some years for our youths to be like the youths from Brazil or Italy per say. Shalom.
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Pro League have dat kinda money...to be giving 'way motor car?
Sponsorhip. They doh have to spend no money.
Yeah I didn't mean that they literally expended the money....but commenting on the value of the prize, still pretty impressive that they can afford such a prize (it's still theirs to give...albeit in the sponsor's name).
didnt fenwick lure earl jean with ah motor car de other day.
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Well dey say God is a Trini, so I guess He should play for the national team
Post of the year!!!!
I agree Filho, big post. However just to add on.... Since God is full gendered (man and woman) de womens Team might benefit as well.
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i doubt oliver going to get anymore call ups...based on anotn comment a few weeks back
What Anton say about him, I know Anton have great influence on Maturana that's why he have so much youth getting burn fi the ssquad
well the coach comments
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=161296829
Coach came in, he said it is always good to have young players within your squad. And sometimes it's better to have players 18, 19, 20 with potential, than players 28, 29, 30, who have reached their limit. The ones with potential can possibly even go further."
So daiz it for Hardest den?... :-\
Age is only ah number! It have men like Latas and Yorke still playing ball. How old was Zidian when he gave up playing? Well if tha is how them thinking then yuh could geh real licks with yuh young team. Wait till they geh around 28-30 for experience...then start all over again. You've got to have a mixed team of players to reach the top. Who will the young players learn from? In ah way it's a good idea...but it will take some years for our youths to be like the youths from Brazil or Italy per say. Shalom.
Wehitis...ah was being mischeivous eh....this might have been a more appropriate emoticon.... :devil: ;D
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Anton wit dem younguns say 2014 he eh worrying bout 2010
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bwoi any body can play for Trinidad and Tobago National team bwoi... once TTFA and ehm coaches like yah you on de team bwoi... iz 2010 we lookin to go you know.. i hope we preparing and not laggin behind waiting until last minute again.... anyway its changes, new opportunites and new creation for 2010.. so Oliver I see yah have plenty to offer get on de band wagon deya :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
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Let's say T&T selects Marvin Oliver
Let's also assume that his visa issue is a real one i.e.he is currently not allowed to enter US territory
Let's say that Marvin Oliver performs well for the National team and has shown to be an indispensable member of the team.
It's a fact T&T plays football in the CONCACAF region
By definition, we not onlyh play Caribbean Neighbours, but North and Central American's as well
It's also a fact that the preferred method of travel for our senior men's national team is via air
Our senior men's national team, in the course of qualifying for and playing in major tournaments frequently has to play against these neighbours.
Because of Oliver's visa issue, he is unable to play in the United States.
Seeing that the United States is not just a competitior, but also a host of a major CONCACAF Tournament like the Gold Cup and is a point of transfer between T&T and many Central American countries, as well as destinations to Europe etc, Oliver by definition will be inelgible to be selected for those games due to his visa issue.
Therefore, why should ANY Senior Men's National Team coach select Marvin Oliver? What's the point if he's inelgible to play against your strongest opponents in away matches?
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why can't the Visa issue be fixed or corrected, on behal of our National Interest, was he ah threat to their National security ? does he belong to a suspect or criminal organization that is of threat to the US ? Is he in USA top million most wanted ? Has he committed serious crimes against the states ? If all that, why we rewarding him in T&T then ? It have serious career crimo, travellin back an forth, all the time, cause is dey business, and he have visa issues ? Was he deported ? wha is the real story here ?
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why can't the Visa issue be fixed or corrected, on behal of our National Interest, was he ah threat to their National security ? does he belong to a suspect or criminal organization that is of threat to the US ? Is he in USA top million most wanted ? Has he committed serious crimes against the states ? If all that, why we rewarding him in T&T then ? It have serious career crimo, travellin back an forth, all the time, cause is dey business, and he have visa issues ? Was he deported ? wha is the real story here ?
I think is ah simple matter of de man overstaying he visa and getting de bum-rush from de INS/ICE people. Don't think it's anything criminal...but what I know.
As for getting he visa issues "corrected, on behalf of our National Interest"...corrected by whom? How we go convince the US State Department to grant a waiver to some skinny rasta fella from Trinidad...all in de name ah kicking ah ball? Yuh really think Chuck Blazer and dem have dat kinda pull down on 22nd & C Sts. NW?
Anything is possible, however I just don't see the interest or impetus taking root.
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why can't the Visa issue be fixed or corrected, on behal of our National Interest, was he ah threat to their National security ? does he belong to a suspect or criminal organization that is of threat to the US ? Is he in USA top million most wanted ? Has he committed serious crimes against the states ? If all that, why we rewarding him in T&T then ? It have serious career crimo, travellin back an forth, all the time, cause is dey business, and he have visa issues ? Was he deported ? wha is the real story here ?
Apparently de fella overstay he welcome in de people dem United States....and overstay is a vast understatement.
At de end of de day, we could have all de National interest we want. We have no influence or jurisdiction over another country's laws. If the USA deem it fit to declare persona non grata status on Oliver, it eh nutting we could do to change dat.
Somebody use Jamal Shabazz as an example. He was women's national team coach and current coach of Guyana.
Well when he was de women's team coach, de team ended up havin to play a tournament without dey head coach precisely because a de visa issue. And Guyana will soon face the same situation IF they ever make it past their first round qualifying tie.
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why can't the Visa issue be fixed or corrected, on behal of our National Interest, was he ah threat to their National security ? does he belong to a suspect or criminal organization that is of threat to the US ? Is he in USA top million most wanted ? Has he committed serious crimes against the states ? If all that, why we rewarding him in T&T then ? It have serious career crimo, travellin back an forth, all the time, cause is dey business, and he have visa issues ? Was he deported ? wha is the real story here ?
Apparently de fella overstay he welcome in de people dem United States....and overstay is a vast understatement.
At de end of de day, we could have all de National interest we want. We have no influence or jurisdiction over another country's laws. If the USA deem it fit to declare persona non grata status on Oliver, it eh nutting we could do to change dat.
Somebody use Jamal Shabazz as an example. He was women's national team coach and current coach of Guyana.
Well when he was de women's team coach, de team ended up havin to play a tournament without dey head coach precisely because a de visa issue. And Guyana will soon face the same situation IF they ever make it past their first round qualifying tie.
Let's say T&T selects Marvin Oliver
Let's also assume that his visa issue is a real one i.e.he is currently not allowed to enter US territory
Let's say that Marvin Oliver performs well for the National team and has shown to be an indispensable member of the team.
It's a fact T&T plays football in the CONCACAF region
By definition, we not onlyh play Caribbean Neighbours, but North and Central American's as well
It's also a fact that the preferred method of travel for our senior men's national team is via air
Our senior men's national team, in the course of qualifying for and playing in major tournaments frequently has to play against these neighbours.
Because of Oliver's visa issue, he is unable to play in the United States.
Seeing that the United States is not just a competitior, but also a host of a major CONCACAF Tournament like the Gold Cup and is a point of transfer between T&T and many Central American countries, as well as destinations to Europe etc, Oliver by definition will be inelgible to be selected for those games due to his visa issue.
Therefore, why should ANY Senior Men's National Team coach select Marvin Oliver? What's the point if he's inelgible to play against your strongest opponents in away matches?
As per my point. The TTFF keep Shabazz as women's coach and then he cannot be there because of visa issues, then let Oliver play until he cannot travel to the USA.
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As per my point. The TTFF keep Shabazz as women's coach and then he cannot be there because of visa issues, then let Oliver play until he cannot travel to the USA.
If I was a National team coach and Oliver was = Ronaldinho or Messi or one a dem, I would CONSIDER that.
But daz jes me.
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So what about our internationals against teams like Bermuda, Cayman, St. Vincent and de smaller fixtures when we might not get back all our best overseas pros..
Don't we want to field a team with the best local talent we have available?
Pro league player of the year is a pretty clear indication that he is one of the best things on the island right now regardless of age or visa situation.
Oliver would be in my side for the Bermuda game and other smaller fixtures with the expressed understanding that he would not be an option for the bigger home and away fixtures because of the visa situation.. just my position..
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So what about our internationals against teams like Bermuda, Cayman, St. Vincent and de smaller fixtures when we might not get back all our best overseas pros..
Don't we want to field a team with the best local talent we have available?
Pro league player of the year is a pretty clear indication that he is one of the best things on the island right now regardless of age or visa situation.
Oliver would be in my side for the Bermuda game and other smaller fixtures with the expressed understanding that he would not be an option for the bigger home and away fixtures because of the visa situation.. just my position..
I feel so too eh..yet it neer ceases to amaze me, how so much other athletes does jump ship and swim into the US, even protected in some cases, and not all get send back, even if found, an dis man who simply overstay his time at one time, benefit more from leaving an he gettin jam so..llike he on a most deadly overstay list...Laws , yes...not my strongpoint..f he get picked regardless, I will help lobby the cause doh
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So what about our internationals against teams like Bermuda, Cayman, St. Vincent and de smaller fixtures when we might not get back all our best overseas pros..
Don't we want to field a team with the best local talent we have available?
Pro league player of the year is a pretty clear indication that he is one of the best things on the island right now regardless of age or visa situation.
Oliver would be in my side for the Bermuda game and other smaller fixtures with the expressed understanding that he would not be an option for the bigger home and away fixtures because of the visa situation.. just my position..
I feel so too eh..yet it neer ceases to amaze me, how so much other athletes does jump ship and swim into the US, even protected in some cases, and not all get send back, even if found, an dis man who simply overstay his time at one time, benefit more from leaving an he gettin jam so..llike he on a most deadly overstay list...Laws , yes...not my strongpoint..f he get picked regardless, I will help lobby the cause doh
Ah expeck to read bout yuh placard protests on de streets of la belle province in La Presse shortly. ;)
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Pro League have dat kinda money...to be giving 'way motor car?
Ah asking meh self de same question yes padnah. After all, it eh too bad playing at home, ah man cud eat, drink and still live ah decent life. Of course the English pounds or US dollar is de real deal, but if yuh doh get tuh play foreign, yuh cud still flex. Well especially if yuh making de amount ah money men like Dawrika was or still making.
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i agree with having Marvin play against the Caribbean opponents but you have to consider the chemistry of the team. why play him in some games and keep him out of most. It will definitely affect the team chemistry. Either fix the problem and have him play all or none at all. :beermug: :beermug:
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Somebody use Jamal Shabazz as an example. He was women's national team coach and current coach of Guyana.
Well when he was de women's team coach, de team ended up havin to play a tournament without dey head coach precisely because a de visa issue. And Guyana will soon face the same situation IF they ever make it past their first round qualifying tie.
Well I bounce up Shabazz yesterday in Miami airport yesterday and I was most surprised. Ah went and talk tuh him and he say it was de first time he was being allowed to pass thru de USA since he did get jack up a few years ago. However, he was flanked by plain clothes and uniformed security personnel. So ah guess his travel dilemmas may be close to an end.
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Pro League have dat kinda money...to be giving 'way motor car?
Sponsorhip. They doh have to spend no money.
Yeah I didn't mean that they literally expended the money....but commenting on the value of the prize, still pretty impressive that they can afford such a prize (it's still theirs to give...albeit in the sponsor's name).
didnt fenwick lure earl jean with ah motor car de other day.
i can picture the man driving down eastern main road with the trophy in he hand
(http://www.trinidadexpress.com/shared/images/2008/04/05/s3.jpg)
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This is a question I would like someone to research. Touches indicated that Marvin cyar get a visa which I agree with. However, does FIFA not get involved. So all the USA hah to do is deny we players a VISA and we have a jokey squad?
What is the criteria? Must a nation grant entry to their country for any player regardless of the situation for a FIFA santioned event?
Just stumbled upon this thread and it reminded me of something that happened on the other side of the world:
Fuming Fiji to play World Cup qualifier under protest (http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=reu-fiji&prov=reuters&type=lgns)
BRISBANE, Australia, Oct 11 (Reuters) - Fiji's soccer federation plans to take the New Zealand government to court for refusing to grant its national team goalkeeper a visa to play in a World Cup qualifier, saying it will ask for the match result to be nullified.
The New Zealand government had rushed through visas for the team so they could play the All Whites at North Harbour Stadium on Saturday in a World Cup qualifying match.
However, it denied an entry visa to first choice goalkeeper Simione Tamanisau because his father-in-law is a military policeman.
Under sanctions imposed by New Zealand after last December's coup in Fiji, people with ties to the military cannot enter the country.
Fiji's soccer chief Sahu Khan said he planned to take the situation to the International Court of Arbitration for Sport.
The game was later postponed by FIFA to an as yet undetermined date. There still exists a possibility that New Zealand be forced to play the game on neutral territory if the New Zealand government does not relent on its decision.
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what's the latest with this guy....
the last i heard was that he was the PFL player of the year then nothing...
any info???
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He was injured at the beginning of the Proleague season and then spend the first half of it benching with Jab. Last couple of games or so he seem to be showing some class but he not on the radar right now. He definitely wouldn't have been called up for the US game, thats for sure
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thanks....
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He scored last week for Jab.
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he is ah cali sellout
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D man born and bred San Juan so while me eh a fan on Fenick he just want 2 b associated wit he home team. Dat needed more in we football among players and more so fans
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http://www.youtube.com/v/KIjqt105MqA
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Good interview..under all things considered.
to old to get cap in the Chile game ?
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Very interesting take by Marvin. Not saying I agree though.
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"kno wah ah mean"...........if yuh not sure if yuh doing something wrong as a question.........yuh eh new to the system or the fundamentals of being a professional
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Excellent interview IMO by Marvin Oliver and I see nothing wrong at all with what he said or how he said it.
Matter of fact, I found his opinion on Minor League football to be enlightening and forward thinking. I would love to hear what ideas he has with regards to a relationship between the Minor League and the Pro League. As he said, T&T is not England and we don't have a 3rd or 4th division. We don't even have a promotion / demotion scenario. Very valid points.
Well done Marvin. :beermug:
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Excellent interview IMO by Marvin Oliver and I see nothing wrong at all with what he said or how he said it.
Matter of fact, I found his opinion on Minor League football to be enlightening and forward thinking. I would love to hear what ideas he has with regards to a relationship between the Minor League and the Pro League. As he said, T&T is not England and we don't have a 3rd or 4th division. We don't even have a promotion / demotion scenario. Very valid points.
Well done Marvin. :beermug:
I think the primary reason we doh have promotion/demotion is because of financial issues with de clubs who may be vying for promotion. Plus yuh have clubs dat fielding teams in several leagues like Joe Public and Defence Force. Look at it dis way, de major requirement to be in de Pro League is dollars.
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Excellent interview IMO by Marvin Oliver and I see nothing wrong at all with what he said or how he said it.
Matter of fact, I found his opinion on Minor League football to be enlightening and forward thinking. I would love to hear what ideas he has with regards to a relationship between the Minor League and the Pro League. As he said, T&T is not England and we don't have a 3rd or 4th division. We don't even have a promotion / demotion scenario. Very valid points.
Well done Marvin. :beermug:
I think the primary reason we doh have promotion/demotion is because of financial issues with de clubs who may be vying for promotion. Plus yuh have clubs dat fielding teams in several leagues like Joe Public and Defence Force. Look at it dis way, de major requirement to be in de Pro League is dollars.
st Lucia st kitts Haiti and Jamaica have a promotion/demotion ... The Puerto Rican football league which started in 2007 already has a second division ...What we have is the wrong people in charge ...
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Excellent interview IMO by Marvin Oliver and I see nothing wrong at all with what he said or how he said it.
Matter of fact, I found his opinion on Minor League football to be enlightening and forward thinking. I would love to hear what ideas he has with regards to a relationship between the Minor League and the Pro League. As he said, T&T is not England and we don't have a 3rd or 4th division. We don't even have a promotion / demotion scenario. Very valid points.
Well done Marvin. :beermug:
I think the primary reason we doh have promotion/demotion is because of financial issues with de clubs who may be vying for promotion. Plus yuh have clubs dat fielding teams in several leagues like Joe Public and Defence Force. Look at it dis way, de major requirement to be in de Pro League is dollars.
st Lucia st kitts Haiti and Jamaica have a promotion/demotion ... The Puerto Rican football league which started in 2007 already has a second division ...What we have is the wrong people in charge ...
De funny ting is dat there is actually promotion to and demotion from de Super League and the Zonal leagues. Technically there is supposed to be promotion/demotion between de Super League and Pro League, but it has never happened.
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Ammmmmmm ... interview? ... where were the questions? :devil:
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make sense. :applause:
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Marvin Oliver eyes coaching role.
By Shaun Fuentes (Guardian).
Central FC veteran midfield ace maestro Marvin Oliver, many believe, can possibly still make the national senior men’s team at age 39.
But even if that doesn’t turn out to be, the former US-based player could still have the opportunity to work with a national team as a coach someday.
Oliver is among a group of local coaches who passed the recent Concacaf ‘D’ License course staged by the T&T Football Association (TTFA). He received his coaching certificate last week from the local governing body after undergoing the course conduced by Concacaf instructors Lenny Lake and Andre Waugh and subsequently passing the “D” license examination at the TTFA offices at the Hasely Crawford Stadium a few weeks ago.
It is likely he will serve as a coach at the reigning Pro League champion club but he is also eying a call to national coaching duty as well.
“It’s been an eye opening experience for me working with the instructors and the youngsters,” Oliver said. “We tend to pay attention to the adult aspect of development and always want the finish product and not be involved in the starting of the product. For me it is more enjoyable coaching the youths.
“The instructors were of the highest level and they brought a whole lot of wisdom and understanding on how to deal with kids. One of the key aspects for it was letting us know that the game itself is the greatest teacher at that age. The way the instructors presented the course to us was a stand out. They allowed us to individually grow into it and see the whole picture of coaching at that level.”
Oliver said he was grateful for the opportunity put forward by the TTFA with the staging of the course. “I feel it was great to see the TTFA partnering with Concacaf and bringing the course to us.
I always feel it’s really good that the players who are involved in the Pro League now and who understand the mechanism of the players currently in the country to be involved in coaching. And with players like myself, Hector Sam, Kerry Baptiste and Joel Gibbons, if we can continue expanding our knowledge on the coaching side, who knows one day we can go on to working as a coach with the national senior team or one of the national youth teams,” Oliver said.
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Go dey, dred, go dey!!
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It is time for Coach Hart to open his eyes and his brain to Mr Marvin Oliver...dis nonsense talk about fitness is nonsense..get this player on yuh Gold Cup roster.
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Marvin Oliver has had a visa issue in the past. Not sure if that is still the case but he may be ruled out of travel to the U.S.
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WATCH: One on one with Marvin Oliver
https://www.youtube.com/v/8PcPuUJaqjU
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Hat trick marvin .
What a player I remember him that San Juan hatrick run like it was yesterday.
Staten Island Vipers. etc
Then back home to finish in the pro league.
A footballer to the very end.
Big time baller that.
Still playing at 40 most me walking round with big belly
Big up Marvin
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Central FC fired Marvin Oliver this morning.
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Oliver’s Central FC contract terminated
By JOEL BAILEY (Newsday)
VETERAN MIDFIELDER Marvin Oliver is no longer a member of Digicel Pro League 2014-2015 champions Central FC. But there are serious doubts as to if the 40-year-old left was forced out of the club or if he left on his own accord.
Reports emerged that Central FC had terminated Oliver’s contract with immediate effect, with Oliver receiving the news yesterday morning when he arrived for training at the Manny Ramjohn Stadium, Marabella.
The termination letter, published on online website Wired868.com and allegedly unsigned, read in part, “team manager Kevin Jeffrey has informed me that you have requested the club to terminate (sic) your contract as you wish to move to a new club. It is with great reluctance what I will accede to your request and arrange for your release effective (immediately).
Oliver, in a candid telephone interview with Newsday yesterday, revealed that Jeffrey summoned him and gave him the letter.
“When I read it, it informed me that my request had been granted (but) I never made a request to leave the club. And it said from immediate effect. I don’t know if it was a letter they had all the time and (were) just waiting on the moment to give it to me,” said the former Crab Connection, North East Stars, Caledonia AIA and San Juan Jabloteh midfielder.
The dreadlocked midfielder reiterated: “I never requested to leave the club. As Sancho stated, if any player has a problem, come and see him directly if they want to leave the club. And I never went to him stating I want to leave the club.” In September, Oliver was among a group of 24 players who wrote a petition to the club’s hierarchy asking for club owner Sancho and operations director Kevin Harrison (then Sports Minister and advisor to the Minister respectively) not to return to the club.
Oliver emphasised, “remember we signed a letter of petition stating we didn’t want Sancho and Kevin Harrison to return to the club because they don’t run the club like a professional club.
“We’ve had various meetings and I (said it’s) nothing personal but I said we signed a petition because of certain reasons. At the end of the day, I may be the one to take the (blame) but I feel free, like I got off (from) bondage. I’m probably the happiest man on earth who just lost his job.
“I wanted to honour my contract, being the pro that I am, even if I didn’t like how things were going. No-one can say that Marvin Oliver never gave his all to his club. They did some cruel things to me over the past couple of weeks but I held my head high.
I have nothing to be ashamed of.
I was abiding by their rules and their laws.” Oliver admitted that his playing time was cut since Dale Saunders took over from Ross Russell late last year but, whenever he made queries to the technical staff, was told that he was a model professional.
“Mr Sancho used to (say) that life starts and stops with Central,” said Oliver. “But it doesn’t.
With the grace of Yahweh, I will see my way through. (Central FC) don’t control me.” Concerning his immediate future, Oliver said, “a man always have a future. I have my home team Jabloteh who I hold closely to my heart. It have (St Ann’s) Rangers who have a lot of promising youths who need the little experience and it have ambitious clubs who think they can win the League this year. With my help and my credentials, I will be a plus to any team.” And he is contemplating taking legal action for wages for what he believes is wrongful dismissal.
“Definitely they would have to compensate me for my losses because I’m unemployed right now. I would have to be a mad man to ask to leave my job without nothing in place. I have kids to see about and I have a reputation that can be tarnished by this. Something is going to have to come out of this because I honoured my contract, and that was the main thing. They didn’t have the respect at least to thank me or let me say goodbye to the players. I guess that’s how they do things.” Sancho however completely contradicted everything Oliver stated, making it emphatically clear that Oliver asked to leave the club.
“What happened (yesterday) is that Marvin asked for a release (on Monday) and the club said he’s free to go, like any other player at the point in time. He’s asked to leave the club, I guess, because of playing time, as far as I understand from management.
He wasn’t happy with the playing time that he was getting, so he wanted to move on, which is fine.
“We have some very talented players coming through and Marvin, being the other side of 40, we obviously will have to look towards the future.” Sancho, the former national defender, countered, “the question that you need to ask Marvin is if he did not ask for a release why he just didn’t say that when we gave him the letter.” Asked whether Oliver’s request to leave was verbal or written, Sancho replied, “it doesn’t matter. The point is that he communicated that he wanted to leave. When he got the letter (in the) morning he could have just said to the coaching staff ‘this is a mistake, I want to stay at the club’. I was standing there, he didn’t come to me and say anything.” Questioned if the parting of ways stemmed from the petition, Sancho replied, “everyone’s training, everyone’s playing very hard and the club is moulding into the right way. I have a job to do, I have a club to run and I’ll run it as a business. I make decisions based on the club’s well-being.
We’re second in the table, I don’t have time for grudges.”
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Sounds to me like has probably said it in anger (no doubt with a few expletives included) but it seems the club administration was only too happy to present the letter the very next day :o
or in other words:
He cuss whey de cu...t :cursing: and dey say "alright, yuh M...er cu...t, you want to sign petition and turn roung and cuss me....Tek Letter in your preffen !!!! Youuurrrrr Firrreeeeddd !!!!! (in Vince McMann voice) ;D ;D
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From what I heard is that Marvin Oliver can be disruptive in the dressing room at times.
Ross Russell was undermined by Marvin Oliver and three or four other players who think they are big stars at the club.
They told me that at a team meeting before Ross Russell left, players were complaining about no discipline. One complaint was players missing training and then walking straight back onto the team while others that trained hard had to sit in the stands.
When Ross left, Dale Saunders, backed by Brent Sancho and Stern John, had a new high intensity type of play based on the Bayern Munich style. The idea is to close down the opposition in their own half and force errors. This gives you lots more possession and frustrates the opposition. It needs a high level of fitness and they were having double sessions of 90 minutes without water breaks (just drinking from bottles during breaks in play).
One of the coaches told me that Marvin is still a great player but he just don't have the legs for their new system.
But in certain games, Marvin would play the whole 90 minutes because they felt some teams would give him the time and space he needs.
Sundays game vs Connection was very high tempo. Marvin was not selected.
But Marvin thinks he should play in every game and he totes his feelings.
He said, look at Kerry Baptiste who probably played less than 30 minutes between August and December and he never complained once. They even told him they would not be renewing his contract and he actually thanked them for the chance to be with the club. He was out of contract, but he continued to train with with them. When Central camped on Saturday, they let Kerry train also even though he doesn't have a contract.
I heard Marvin was upset about not playing on Sunday. He talked to Dale Saunders and Kevin Jeffrey after the game and asked if he was still in the clubs plans. I heard he said he didn't want to sit in the stands and would rather leave if he can't get regular football and they said ok, if that's what you want.
It seems Saunders had a meeting with Sancho and Harrison about Marvin cause his contract was until May. They had to decide to try to keep him or let him go. I think that if he is frustrated about not playing it didn't make sense to keep him when he didn't want to be here. He would get games, but not as many as he would want and they were thinking he may disrupt the dressing room if they forced him to stay.
Jeffrey gave him a letter at training. But it wasn't firing him it was saying they would let him go.
He was upset and wanted to talk to Sancho but they don't like doing that on the training ground.
I think probably Marvin didn't really want to leave and he should have waited for a meeting with them but he must have sent the letter to Lasana.
They told me that was crazy cause he said lots of things that will upset all the staff and his former teammates.
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Oliver threatens legal action against Central FC.
T&T Guardian Reports.
Veteran midfielder Marvin Oliver has vowed to take legal actions against Central FC after he claimed to have been sacked without reason recently.
The termination letter was handed to him by assistant coach Kevin Jeffreys on Tuesday before a training session at the practice pitch of the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva and quoted club coach Dale Saunders as saying the firing was based on a request by the player, as he wanted to move on to another club.
However, Oliver sought to clear the air yesterday in a Guardian Media interview and pointed to his role in a signed petition by Central FC players last year, for monies they claimed were owed to them from the club’s earnings. The 41-year-old and father of five, is expected to submit an official letter to the T&T Pro League soon, following discussions with its Chief Executive Officer (CEO) Dexter Skeene.
The T&T Pro League upon receiving this letter, will schedule a meeting with the relevant committee and the club, to find a way forward. This resolution could recommend either the player return to the club or depart under grounds of mutual understanding. Oliver said he intends to take the matter as far as to the International Court of Arbitration as he does not want to pin his hopes entirely on the TT Pro League involvement.
In addition he is also holding talks with his legal representatives to decide on other means of action to retrieve monies owed to him by the club. His contract is due to expire on May 31 but he said the club is expected to honour a clause to facilitate him financially until he gets another job.
Oliver is convinced the club, which is managed by former national defender Brent Sancho and comprise operations manager Kevin Harrison, is acting on the disappointment of players standing for monies owed to them. “A verbal agreement was made by Sancho that the players will receive 50 per cent of all earnings by the club for the 2014/2015 football season but when it was time to pay they reneged” Oliver explained.
For that season the ‘Sharks’ as Central FC are called, copped the lion’s share of earnings—including the $1 million pro league title, Toyota Classic Cup, First Citizens Cup and the three rounds of competition in the pro league which carries a cash prize and trophy for each. The rounds are named after deceased players Kevon Carter, Akeem Adams and Rawle Fletcher.
“They decided not to honour the verbal agreement with the players and still the players were willing to get a good offer, but instead they wanted to pay us 10 per cent of the earnings which we refused. We told them that we wanted at least 40 per cent but they again declined that offer. The last offer they gave us is 20 per cent of the team’s winnings but the players didn’t want to accept that either” Oliver said.
The former national midfielder is now amongst a surviving bunch of players who signed the petition. He claimed most of the others have either been transferred or left the club as they faced victimisation due to their stance. He rubbished reports that he wanted to leave the club, explaining he asked if he could have been loaned to another club as he was not being used.
“I was asked to assist coach Dale Saunders when coach Ross Russell was sacked, so I told myself I had a future there. But then when I disagreed with some of the plans they had for the team, they decided to target me for my role in the petition signing. I was the one who lobbied the players to sign but the players all signed on their own free will” Oliver said.
He was left out of a number of matches and on Sunday last, he got a late call to join the team camp before their encounter against Defence Force. Attempts to contact Sancho were unsuccessful.
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Central FC says Marvin Oliver’s contract was never terminated
Central FC Media
Following several erroneous press articles over the last few days, the board of Central F.C. would like to advise the public of certain facts concerning the employment of Marvin Oliver, who has served the club throughout its short, yet successful history.
It is not usual for the board of Central F.C. to air personal issues in public, a fact that Mr. Oliver himself can testify to, yet due to the reckless and inaccurate reporting of this episode, the club feels it has no choice other than to defend its reputation as well as that of its players, staff and sponsors.
On Sunday 24th January, following a game vs W.Connection in which he took no part, Marvin Oliver spoke to Team Manager Kevin Jeffrey and Head Coach Dale Saunders. Mr. Oliver was disappointed in the number of appearances he had been making. He made it clear that if he was not going to be starting more games he would prefer to leave the club. This is a usual occurrence in football, particularly when a player begins to mature.
Following on from this conversation, having no wish to prevent the player from continuing his career elsewhere, a letter was prepared by the club agreeing to release Mr. Oliver from his contract. This letter was delivered to Mr. Oliver at the training ground on Tuesday 26th January by Kevin Jeffrey, Dale Saunders and Derek Khan. Contrary to certain press statements, no impromptu meeting between Managing Director Brent Sancho, Dale Saunders and Stern John took place on the training field regarding Marvin Oliver.
At no point was Marvin Oliver's employment terminated by the club. Indeed, no official release from his contract has been prepared. Until an official release from contract letter was prepared and signed by both parties, Mr. Oliver's employment was intact. Indeed, it is standard practice that when a player leaves the club he is required to return all apparel before receiving his final salary. No such letter had been prepared or presented. This letter was merely correspondence confirming a verbal discussion. One of the reasons for such a letter is that it would give the recipient an opportunity to reconsider his actions before the formal letter of termination is issued.
Instead of following the recognized grievance procedure, or even, common employment practice, and requesting a meeting with the board, Mr. Oliver decided instead to contact a journalist and air his grievances publicly. This resulted in several untruths and misconceptions being expressed, exaggerated, and now repeated as if fact.
At this point, Central F.C. would have been within their rights to terminate Mr. Oliver's contract on the basis of gross misconduct by bringing the club into disrepute.
However, the board of Central F.C. decided instead to invite Mr. Oliver to a meeting at the club office to resolve the situation. Mr. Oliver was and still is, an employee of Central F.C. and is contracted until May 31st 2016.
As such, it is the responsibility of Mr. Oliver to attend meetings when requested. However, Mr. Oliver declined to attend the meeting and instead suggested to meet 4 days later in Port of Spain.
Again, this refusal to attend an official meeting is a contradiction of the terms of Mr. Oliver's contract.
One final attempt was made by the board to resolve the matter by requesting Mr. Oliver's attendance at a meeting on Friday 29th January 2016 at the club office. The invitation was sent in writing. The letter also reminded Mr. Oliver that it is his contractual duty to attend the meeting and a fine would be administered should he fail to attend, which is standard practice.
Once again, instead of responding in a professional and respectful manner, Mr. Oliver decided to send this letter to a journalist for publication, together with further derogatory remarks.
Mr. Oliver has provided exemplary service to Central F.C. on the field. Out of respect for Mr. Oliver and the service he has provided, Central F.C. has frequently been financially supportive of his community projects. Indeed, no other Central F.C. player has received as much support and respect as Mr. Oliver, a fact that he seems to have forgotton. The club has also supported him in two separate legal matters which were in the public domain, when the club could simply have terminated his contract. Several other incidents during his time with Central F.C. could have resulted in termination. In one incident the club lost a potential sponsor valued at around $200,000 per year. Our club sponsor, Bankers Insurance also helped Mr. Oliver financially, preventing his arrest. Central F.C. and its sponsors have also assisted Mr. Oliver with the building of his house by contributing finances and building materials.
The reality of the situation is that Mr. Oliver tried to force the club to select him more often. Unfortunately, despite his ability, the clubs coaches felt that he would not be suited to the new tactics employed by the club in most games. No club wants to force a player to stay when he wants to leave.
However, at no time had there been any discussion to terminate Marvin Oliver's contract. He was a squad player and would certainly be called upon from time to time. It would appear that Mr. Oliver didn't expect the club to accept his request to leave the club, and panicked, knowing that no other club would pay the same level of salary as he received at Central F.C.
It is these situations which clearly show the need for a players association. Had Mr. Oliver had access to professional advice, the situation may well have been resolved to the satisfaction of both parties. Instead it appears that outside influences, perhaps with their own agendas, have convinced Mr. Oliver to take a more militant route in the public domain.
Airing such grievances in public can benefit no party other than the journalist. Yet it is the player and the club, and, ultimately, the game of football, whose reputations are tarnished in the name of writing one or two headlines.
As we have seen so many times, the real loser in this dispute will be the beautiful game.
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Central sack Marvin Oliver; veteran playmaker lifts lid on “toxic” Sharks.
By Lasana Liburd (wired868)
Pro League defending champions, Central FC, parted company with their veteran midfield star and former captain, Marvin Oliver, in controversial fashion this morning at the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium in Marabella.
The evergreen Oliver, who turns 41 in August and was the club’s best player last season, was handed an oddly worded termination letter by Central manager Kevin Jeffrey and allegedly told not to join his teammates on the training ground.
Oliver’s contract with the club runs until 31 May 2016.
Bizarrely, the Pro League club claimed that it was Oliver who asked to be released.
The termination letter was not signed by club chairman Brent Sancho or operations manager Kevin Harrison and suggested that the player wanted to leave the “Couva Sharks.”
“Team manager Kevin Jeffrey has informed me that you have requested the club to terminate (sic) your contract as you wish to move to a new club,” stated the letter, which bore the name of head coach Dale Saunders but no signature. “While this news has saddened me as you are very much an important member of the squad, I have no wish to retain your services if you are no longer comfortable with the team…
“It is with great reluctance that I will accede to your request and arrange for your release, effective today.”
Sancho and his former 2006 World Cup teammate, Stern John, were both on the training ground where they now serve as assistant coaches to Saunders. None spoke to Oliver and Jeffrey allegedly warned him not to approach the group during the session.
Wired868 tried unsuccessfully to get comment on the termination letter from Central FC management.
Oliver, who helped Central to their first Pro League and Caribbean Cup titles last year, said he felt set up, victimised and mistreated by the Sharks’ management.
On Wednesday 16 September 2015, Oliver was among 24 players who wrote to Central’s then board of directors and urged them not to reinstate Sancho and Harrison—former Sport Minister and advisor to the Sport Minister respectively—until they were cleared of several allegations related to their conduct at the club.
At the time, the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) was investigating Sancho and Harrison regarding their: conduct with regards to the transfers of Central FC forward Rundell Winchester, the signing of then 16-year-old winger Levi Garcia, and the alleged misappropriation of CONCACAF funds and non-payment of bonuses to Central players.
The TTFA’s investigations have stalled under new president David John Williams.
The players’ stance was ineffective as, with the help of Bankers Insurance CEO Vance Gabriel, Sancho and Harrison seized control of the club.
Oliver and Trinidad and Tobago National Senior Team goalkeeper Jan-Michael Williams were both subsequently quizzed by Sancho about their role in the players’ petition that sought to keep them at bay.
Oliver ran afoul of Central management again after the 2015 First Citizens Cup final on October 30, as he was among several players fined five percent of their salaries—without a hearing—for not collecting medals.
Central gave the veteran midfielder a one week suspension on top of the fine for tossing the disciplinary letter to the ground in disgust.
Over the past week, Oliver claimed he was frozen out of the first team and watching from the sidelines as Saunders worked on his shadow drills for the Pro League squad.
The elegant, versatile midfielder was initially left out of the 22-man squad to face rivals, DIRECTV W Connection, on Sunday but subsequently received a late call-up and was an unplayed substitute for the game, which ended 1-1.
After the game, Oliver said he approached Saunders and Jeffrey and asked whether he was in their plans as a player. And, if not, whether a loan away from the team was possible.
“After the game, I asked if there were any plans for me because I could just sit on the bench and collect money but I wanted to contribute,” said Oliver. “I said they could send me on loan for the rest of the season if they had no plans for me. They told me to talk to Brent (Sancho) about it and I said I don’t need to do that but if I got an offer (from another club) I will tell him.
“The last thing Dale told me was ‘don’t worry yourself’. Then I come this morning to train and Kevin Jeffrey hand me a letter saying my contract was terminated.”
Oliver vowed to contest the dismissal and will fight for the TT$6,000 owed to him in wages plus the remaining worth of his contract, which is an additional TT$40,000.
“This is an embarrassment,” Oliver told Wired868. “I can walk away from football now but they have to pay me. They are real disrespectful.”
The bean-pole Rastafarian lashed out at his former employers and said that players were subjected to a toxic atmosphere at Central. He claimed that Williams, who asked to be replaced as club captain, was was also being victimised.
Oliver called Sancho a hypocrite for his supposedly oppressive approach to footballers, despite being one of the founding members of the defunct Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT).
“Those fellahs don’t mean good to young players,” said Oliver. “I can say plenty about what goes on at Central but the Father says a still tongue is better. What happened today hurt but the joy is greater. I can walk with my head high.
“I know Brent (Sancho) from when we played National Under-12 together. Dale Saunders and I played National Under-23 football and Stern John and I played in the EFA (Eastern Football Association) together.
“Now, they can’t watch me in my face. They got opportunities I didn’t get as a player but I have more class than those fellahs.”
Although Oliver, who has a CONCACAF licence for grassroots coaching, faces an uncertain future, he said he was happy to leave the work environment at Central, which, he claimed, steadily worsened after the departures of former coaches Terry Fenwick and Zoran Vranes allowed Sancho and Harrison more hands-on opportunities with the playing squad.
“To tell you the truth, I feel good to come away from this environment,” Oliver told Wired868. “The good I feel in my spirit is I don’t have to pray with evil people every morning. It is like freedom. Like I am out of prison after 50 years and chains just come off of me.
“I gave them everything. But God knows best and this is how this has to end.
“I was helping their empire to stand up and I am glad that I am free of that.”
Oliver was one of just two survivors from Central’s first Pro League match on 19 October 2012 along with defender Keion Goodridge.
Former World Cup 2006 attacker, Anthony Wolfe, scored a penalty that afternoon as the Sharks got off to a winning start under former Chelsea coach Graham Rix.
Oliver played for five coaches at Central, as Rix was succeeded by Fenwick, Vranes, Ross Russell and current head coach, Saunders. The former San Juan North student was recently selected among the Secondary Schools Football League’s (SSFL) best players over its initial 50-year history.
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Look the letter there, Sancho and them have to be real idiots.
I hope Marvin sue them and get even more that he is owed for his troubles.
You would think Sancho and Harrison would know better.
And who de hell give Saunders de right to give players termination letter, he put de club in trouble.
Sancho was always a weak rasta and he should shave his head.
You would think this fool Sancho would be a great administrator after what he pass through with T&T, some people head just hard.
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Shaka keeps close eyes on Oliver's case.
By Inshan Mohammed.
Local outfit Central FC and former San Juan Jabloteh midfielder Marvin Oliver have been going at it over the past week about contractual agreements. The evergreen midfielder accused Central FC management of illegally terminating his contract and vow to take his former employers to court for breach of contract.
The matter has piqued the attention of former T&T goalkeeper and ESPN analyst Shaka Hislop who has been following the matter very closely and had the following to say:
“I had been aware of the developing issue between Central FC and Marvin Oliver since Tuesday when he was presented with a letter from Central FC head coach Dale Saunders.”
“The letter is on Central FC's letterhead and it was minacious and definite in its intention, regardless of the attempts by the club to readdress.”
“From the outset, my belief was that the letter presented to Marvin by Mr. Saunders made this issue a legal one. To his full credit, Marvin had already sensibly contacted legal counsel, hence his silence on the matter.”
“Over the last couple of days I have spoken to Marvin and his counsel both individually and in conference on several occasions, and I am confident of his representation.”
“There were a number of elements to Central FC’s release that I found disconcerting, which has prompted me. Firstly, the release was little more than a personal attack on a player who has represented them to the best of his ability since the first minute of Central FC’s first game in existence.”
“Added to that, those personal attacks were unwarranted, unfair, desperately untrue, totally irrelevant and serve only as a distraction to the facts of the case. My continued advice to Marvin would be to maintain his silence, refraining from further comment, and await instruction from his legal counsel, ended Shaka.”
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Shaka keeps close eyes on Oliver's case.
By Inshan Mohammed.
Local outfit Central FC and former San Juan Jabloteh midfielder Marvin Oliver have been going at it over the past week about contractual agreements. The evergreen midfielder accused Central FC management of illegally terminating his contract and vow to take his former employers to court for breach of contract.
The matter has piqued the attention of former T&T goalkeeper and ESPN analyst Shaka Hislop who has been following the matter very closely and had the following to say:
“I had been aware of the developing issue between Central FC and Marvin Oliver since Tuesday when he was presented with a letter from Central FC head coach Dale Saunders.”
“The letter is on Central FC's letterhead and it was minacious and definite in its intention, regardless of the attempts by the club to readdress.”
“From the outset, my belief was that the letter presented to Marvin by Mr. Saunders made this issue a legal one. To his full credit, Marvin had already sensibly contacted legal counsel, hence his silence on the matter.”
“Over the last couple of days I have spoken to Marvin and his counsel both individually and in conference on several occasions, and I am confident of his representation.”
“There were a number of elements to Central FC’s release that I found disconcerting, which has prompted me. Firstly, the release was little more than a personal attack on a player who has represented them to the best of his ability since the first minute of Central FC’s first game in existence.”
“Added to that, those personal attacks were unwarranted, unfair, desperately untrue, totally irrelevant and serve only as a distraction to the facts of the case. My continued advice to Marvin would be to maintain his silence, refraining from further comment, and await instruction from his legal counsel, ended Shaka.”
Second time I feel so proud of Shaka !!!!! great stuff and he say it like it is, glad he helping off the field, he should bring back the players association, he have de knowledge to do it because de rest is just talkers. Now, I can back him up,,.... good for Marvin Oliver to get some backing, Sancho and them want to do people wrong and feel they go bend down...
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Shaka keeps close eyes on Oliver's case.
By Inshan Mohammed.
Local outfit Central FC and former San Juan Jabloteh midfielder Marvin Oliver have been going at it over the past week about contractual agreements. The evergreen midfielder accused Central FC management of illegally terminating his contract and vow to take his former employers to court for breach of contract.
The matter has piqued the attention of former T&T goalkeeper and ESPN analyst Shaka Hislop who has been following the matter very closely and had the following to say:
“I had been aware of the developing issue between Central FC and Marvin Oliver since Tuesday when he was presented with a letter from Central FC head coach Dale Saunders.”
“The letter is on Central FC's letterhead and it was minacious and definite in its intention, regardless of the attempts by the club to readdress.”
“From the outset, my belief was that the letter presented to Marvin by Mr. Saunders made this issue a legal one. To his full credit, Marvin had already sensibly contacted legal counsel, hence his silence on the matter.”
“Over the last couple of days I have spoken to Marvin and his counsel both individually and in conference on several occasions, and I am confident of his representation.”
“There were a number of elements to Central FC’s release that I found disconcerting, which has prompted me. Firstly, the release was little more than a personal attack on a player who has represented them to the best of his ability since the first minute of Central FC’s first game in existence.”
“Added to that, those personal attacks were unwarranted, unfair, desperately untrue, totally irrelevant and serve only as a distraction to the facts of the case. My continued advice to Marvin would be to maintain his silence, refraining from further comment, and await instruction from his legal counsel, ended Shaka.”
Were was Shaka when W Connection coach fired there goalkeeper a couple years ago he seems to be always trying to be politically correct.
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Sancho is a durrrty stinking pothound.........how the tables have turned
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Sancho & Harrison is real scumbags oui. And they have Stern John in dey camp now. If he ent watch he self he might become a pariah like dem two nastiness. How the hell could Sancho be managing director and coach too? Surely that's a breach of fundamental business ethics! And to think this cretin used to talk about Jack Warner. Steups...bunch ah idiots!!
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Sancho, Harrison is real scumbags oui. And they have Stern John as in dey camp now. If he ent watch he self he might become a pariah too like dem two nastiness. How the hell could Sancho be managing director and coach too? Surely that's a breach of fundamental business ethics! And thus cretin used to talk about Jack Warner. Steups bunch ah idiots!!
ETHICS from Sanko yuh 4get he is a member of the UNC
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We helped build Oliver’s house! Sancho fires back at ex-Central captain.
By Lasana Liburd (wired868).
The Central FC board, which is headed by ex-Sport Minister Brent Sancho and includes his former advisor Kevin Harrison, responded to the furore over the sacking of its former captain Marvin Oliver with a 983-word press release, published on the Soca Warriors Online website, that both confirmed and denied releasing the player.
In an extraordinary personal attack, Central also described Oliver as ungrateful and claimed that the club helped build his house and keep him out of jail.
The Sancho-led board also suggested, in the statement, that Oliver was convinced to make his “militant stance” by a journalist. The press statement was emailed by Harrison and provided contact details for him and Sancho, in case of follow-up questions.
The 41 year old midfield star and former San Juan North student, who was recently selected among the best Secondary School Football League (SSFL) players for the past 50 years, contacted Wired868 soon after Central manager Kevin Jeffrey told him his contract was terminated.
The club’s account of where the friction started with Oliver is consistent with the player’s recollection. The dreadlocked playmaker, who was one of Central’s outstanding players last season, asked his coach, Dale Saunders, if he was expected to be used regularly in the near future.
And, if not, whether the club was willing to let him leave on loan.
Central confirmed this conversation, although they did not mention whether Oliver had suggested a loan move.
Central then prepared a termination letter for Oliver, which was handed to him by Jeffrey on behalf of Saunders.
“Following on from this conversation, having no wish to prevent the player from continuing his career elsewhere, a letter was prepared by the club agreeing to release Mr Oliver from his contract,” stated the Central release today. “This letter was delivered to Mr Oliver at the training ground on Tuesday 26 January by Kevin Jeffrey, Dale Saunders and Derek Khan.”
The initial letter, which was published by Wired868, informed that the club would: “arrange for your release, effective today.”
Oliver was also told not to join the team on the training ground and to leave the premises.
Bizarrely—despite handing Oliver a letter which said his contract was terminated—Sancho, Harrison and the remaining Central board members claimed that Oliver was not fired.
“At no point was Marvin Oliver’s employment terminated by the club,” stated Central’s press release. “Indeed, no official release from his contract has been prepared. Until an official release from contract letter was prepared and signed by both parties, Mr Oliver’s employment was intact…
“This letter was merely correspondence confirming a verbal discussion.”
Central suggested Oliver was trying to win a battle of wills, so as to get more playing time, and the club called his bluff.
“At no time had there been any discussion to terminate Marvin Oliver’s contract,” stated the Central release. “He was a squad player and would certainly be called upon from time to time.
“It would appear that Mr Oliver didn’t expect the club to accept his request to leave the club, and panicked, knowing that no other club would pay the same level of salary as he received at Central FC.”
By Central’s own admission then, Oliver did not want to leave the club but only hoped to get more playing time. And it was the “Couva Sharks” who escalated the situation when they gave him a release letter and asked the player to leave the premises.
Oliver said, when he received the letter, he promptly told Jeffrey he did not wish to be released. He claimed Jeffrey then went over to Sancho, Saunders, assistant coach Dale Saunders and another team manager, Derek Khan, and held a brief meeting.
Khan then walked over and said the club stood by their release letter.
The club denied that this meeting took place. But, in today’s release, the Sharks admitted that they did not get the response they expected from Oliver.
Instead of grovelling for his job, Oliver contacted Wired868, lodged a complaint with the Pro League, wrote to Sancho and asked to be paid up for the remainder of his contract and sought legal advice.
Sancho and Harrison suggested that Oliver’s response was not in keeping with “recognised grievance procedure.”
“One of the reasons for such a letter is that it would give the recipient an opportunity to reconsider his actions before the formal letter of termination is issued,” stated the Central board. “Instead of following the recognised grievance procedure, or even, common employment practice, and requesting a meeting with the board, Mr Oliver decided instead to contact a journalist and air his grievances publicly.”
Central further blamed the entire incident on the journalist that Oliver discussed the matter with, who is Wired868 editor Lasana Liburd.
“It appears that outside influences, perhaps with their own agendas, have convinced Mr Oliver to take a more militant route in the public domain,” stated Central. “Airing such grievances in public can benefit no party other than the journalist.
“Yet it is the player and the club, and, ultimately, the game of football, whose reputations are tarnished in the name of writing one or two headlines.”
The Central board claimed that they could have justifiably fired Oliver for talking to the media—notwithstanding the fact that they had already sacked him.
Sancho offered to meet the sacked player and possibly fine him instead.
“Central FC would have been within their rights to terminate Mr Oliver’s contract on the basis of gross misconduct by bringing the club into disrepute,” stated Central. “However, the board of Central FC decided instead to invite Mr Oliver to a meeting at the club office to resolve the situation. Mr Oliver was and still is, an employee of Central FC and is contracted until 31 May 2016.
“As such, it is the responsibility of Mr Oliver to attend meetings when requested. However, Mr Oliver declined to attend the meeting and instead suggested to meet four days later in Port of Spain…
“One final attempt was made by the board to resolve the matter by requesting Mr Oliver’s attendance at a meeting on Friday 29 January 2016 at the club office…
“The letter also reminded Mr Oliver that it is his contractual duty to attend the meeting and a fine would be administered should he fail to attend, which is standard practice.
“Once again, instead of responding in a professional and respectful manner, Mr Oliver decided to send this letter to a journalist for publication, together with further derogatory remarks.”
The Central board claimed that it chose the high moral ground in its response to Oliver’s “derogatory remarks”—the player told Wired868 that Sancho was worse than ex-FIFA vice-president Jack Warner—out of respect for his “exemplary service” to the club.
Central then claimed to have given Oliver building material for his house and prevented his potential arrest in a legal matter.
“The club has also supported him in two separate legal matters which were in the public domain, when the club could simply have terminated his contract,” stated the Central release. “Several other incidents during his time with Central FC could have resulted in termination. In one incident, the club lost a potential sponsor valued at around $200,000 per year.
“Our club sponsor, Bankers Insurance also helped Mr Oliver financially, preventing his arrest.
“Central FC and its sponsors have also assisted Mr Oliver with the building of his house by contributing finances and building materials.”
Incidentally, even as Sancho and Harrison claim that Oliver has harmed the image of the Pro League club, the two Central directors are under investigation by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) regarding their: conduct with regards to the transfers of Central FC forward Rundell Winchester, the signing of then 16-year-old winger Levi Garcia, and the alleged misappropriation of CONCACAF funds and non-payment of bonuses to Central players.
The probe has paused under new TTFA president David John Williams, who is yet to restart the relevant disciplinary bodies.
The Central board, whose directors Sancho and Harrison were both members of the now defunct Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT), claimed that the Oliver brouhaha is a good example as to why the country needs a players association.
“It is these situations which clearly show the need for a players association,” stated the Central board. “Had Mr Oliver had access to professional advice, the situation may well have been resolved to the satisfaction of both parties.”
The need for a players association might be one thing Sancho, Harrison and Oliver could all agree on.
Oliver has denied all of the club’s allegations.
It is not usual for the board of Central FC to air personal issues in public, a fact that Mr Oliver himself can testify to. Yet due to the reckless and inaccurate reporting of this episode, the club feels it has no choice other than to defend its reputation as well as that of its players, staff and sponsors.
On Sunday 24 January, following a game versus W Connection in which he took no part, Marvin Oliver spoke to Team Manager Kevin Jeffrey and Head Coach Dale Saunders. Mr Oliver was disappointed in the number of appearances he had been making.
He made it clear that if he was not going to be starting more games he would prefer to leave the club. This is a usual occurrence in football, particularly when a player begins to mature.
Following on from this conversation, having no wish to prevent the player from continuing his career elsewhere, a letter was prepared by the club agreeing to release Mr Oliver from his contract.
This letter was delivered to Mr Oliver at the training ground on Tuesday 26th January by Kevin Jeffrey, Dale Saunders and Derek Khan.
Contrary to certain press statements, no impromptu meeting between Managing Director Brent Sancho, Dale Saunders and Stern John took place on the training field regarding Marvin Oliver.
At no point was Marvin Oliver’s employment terminated by the club. Indeed, no official release from his contract has been prepared.
Until an official release from contract letter was prepared and signed by both parties, Mr Oliver’s employment was intact. Indeed, it is standard practice that when a player leaves the club he is required to return all apparel before receiving his final salary.
No such letter had been prepared or presented.
This letter was merely correspondence confirming a verbal discussion. One of the reasons for such a letter is that it would give the recipient an opportunity to reconsider his actions before the formal letter of termination is issued.
Instead of following the recognised grievance procedure, or even, common employment practice, and requesting a meeting with the board, Mr Oliver decided instead to contact a journalist and air his grievances publicly.
This resulted in several untruths and misconceptions being expressed, exaggerated, and now repeated as if fact.
At this point, Central FC would have been within their rights to terminate Mr Oliver’s contract on the basis of gross misconduct by bringing the club into disrepute.
However, the board of Central FC decided instead to invite Mr Oliver to a meeting at the club office to resolve the situation.
Mr Oliver was and still is, an employee of Central FC and is contracted until 31 May 2016.
As such, it is the responsibility of Mr Oliver to attend meetings when requested. However, Mr Oliver declined to attend the meeting and instead suggested to meet four days later in Port of Spain.
Again, this refusal to attend an official meeting is a contradiction of the terms of Mr Oliver’s contract.
One final attempt was made by the board to resolve the matter by requesting Mr Oliver’s attendance at a meeting on Friday 29 January 2016 at the club office. The invitation was sent in writing.
The letter also reminded Mr Oliver that it is his contractual duty to attend the meeting and a fine would be administered should he fail to attend, which is standard practice.
Once again, instead of responding in a professional and respectful manner, Mr Oliver decided to send this letter to a journalist for publication, together with further derogatory remarks.
Mr Oliver has provided exemplary service to Central FC on the field. Out of respect for Mr Oliver and the service he has provided, Central FC has frequently been financially supportive of his community projects.
Indeed, no other Central FC player has received as much support and respect as Mr Oliver, a fact that he seems to have forgotten.
The club has also supported him in two separate legal matters which were in the public domain, when the club could simply have terminated his contract.
Several other incidents during his time with Central FC could have resulted in termination.
In one incident the club lost a potential sponsor valued at around TT$200,000 per year. Our club sponsor, Bankers Insurance also helped Mr Oliver financially, preventing his arrest.
Central FC and its sponsors have also assisted Mr Oliver with the building of his house by contributing finances and building materials.
The reality of the situation is that Mr Oliver tried to force the club to select him more often. Unfortunately, despite his ability, the club’s coaches felt that he would not be suited to the new tactics employed by the club in most games.
No club wants to force a player to stay when he wants to leave.
However, at no time had there been any discussion to terminate Marvin Oliver’s contract. He was a squad player and would certainly be called upon from time to time.
It would appear that Mr Oliver didn’t expect the club to accept his request to leave the club, and panicked, knowing that no other club would pay the same level of salary as he received at Central FC.
It is these situations which clearly show the need for a players association. Had Mr. Oliver had access to professional advice, the situation may well have been resolved to the satisfaction of both parties.
Instead it appears that outside influences, perhaps with their own agendas, have convinced Mr Oliver to take a more militant route in the public domain.
Airing such grievances in public can benefit no party other than the journalist. Yet it is the player and the club, and, ultimately, the game of football, whose reputations are tarnished in the name of writing one or two headlines.
As we have seen so many times, the real loser in this dispute will be the beautiful game.
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Brent Sancho ...Who the ??? do think you are ?.. aren't you the same individual who sought justice , in odrer to be treated fairly? Oh how things have changed . The shoe is now on the other foot so as a result the cry is foul . what an irony Brent Sancho !! The fact that you have personalised your attack on Mr Marvin Oliver for his stance as it relates to his contractual issues @ central Fc does not require any reproach by you and or anyone else mentioning any thing to do with his house and any other personal related matters ... thats uncalled for .!
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I conclude Sancho is a complete narcissist. The only people he seems to convince that the letter Jeffrey originally gave to oliver is not a termination letter us himself, Stern John, Saunders and Harrison. Noone else believes that crap that he's regurgitating now!! IDIOT
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Sancho: Oliver a no-show.
By Sean Taylor (Express).
No change has been reported in the situation between Central FC playmaker Marvin Oliver and the club’s administration, according to club chairman Brent Sancho in a brief interview with the Express yesterday.
Oliver was scheduled to meet with the club last week Thursday to come to an agreement regarding a dispute that started because of his lack of playing time, and eventually culminated with reports in the media that the club had released him. According to Sancho, the player had not attended the first meeting, citing that he had “other things to do”.
The meeting was postponed to Monday, which Oliver also did not attend according to the chairman. “He didn’t show up and we haven’t heard anything from him,” he said. “So we’d probably send the information to the Pro League, and hopefully get some resolution.”
Sancho went on to say that the club was disappointed about the actions Oliver took as a contracted player. “Hopefully common sense will prevail,” he said. “We have rules and regulations at the club... he’s made a decision on his own without having made any proper dialogue with the club so we will have to take the necessary disciplinary action as we deem fit.”
Sancho made no indication that his club will look for a replacement for Oliver before the transfer window closes. “We’re always looking to bolster the squad, and continue to do so,” he said. “We would not sign anybody unless we believe they would contribute in a significant way to the club.
For the past five or six games we’ve been undefeated, we’ve been playing some of the best football we’ve played all season.
We’ve seen players now step up and we’re giving them the opportunity to play and whoever needs to come in has to have the ability or least the potential of at least unseating the ones who are currently starting.”
Regarding the action on the pitch, Sancho could not be happier about the current form of the “Couva Sharks”. “We’ve changed things in a significant way in the way that we train and the way that we do our business on and off the field.”
Sancho indicated that the club seems to be moving forward in spite of the recent controversy, stating that new sponsors will be coming on board, as well as a verbal agreement for a possible partnership with a Championship club in England.
“We already have a verbal agreement,” he said. “So we are on our way hopefully to putting pen to paper with this partnership which will now see us a potential feeder club for this club in England.”
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Sancho turned out to be a real Uncle Tom.
I hope Oliver bury them in court.
Good going by Shaka also.
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Sacked Oliver calls on Lara, Bravos, Boldon for help.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).
After being sacked by Central FC, veteran midfielder Marvin Oliver is now hoping to start his own coaching school to make ends meet.
He told the Guardian yesterday he was initially thinking about getting into agriculture, but feels his belief and faith in the Almighty God has led him to deal with the youth of the nation through his God-given football talent. Before the academy could be started however the 41-year old rastafarian, is calling on a number of successful sportsmen from the San Juan/Santa Cruz area such as West Indies batting legend Brian Lara, brothers Dwayne and Darren Bravo, Olympic trackstar Ato Boldon and ex-national footballers Hector Sam, Marvin Andrews and Jason Scotland to help him acquire equipment such as footballs, cones, goalposts, bibs, coolers and uniforms etc to get his project off the ground.
He is also calling on corporate T&T to join him as he embarks on this new journey in his life. Oliver, who was asked to assist Central FC coach Dale Saunders after the firing of Ross Russell late last year, is promising that his academy will be one with a difference. “It will not only teach young people about football but it must also tell young budding footballers about the importance of Almight God in their lives because of what he has done and continues to do for them” Oliver said.
With no means of income presently, the dread-locks footballer has set the Easter vacation for the start of his academy at the San Juan Secondary ground.
Only last year he graduated with a FIFA Grassroots Certificate at the Hasely Crawford Stadium last year, a course he did with Sam and another former national striker Kerry Baptiste.
He explained he has been terribly disappointed by the recent developments at the Central ‘Sharks’ as he had done nothing to offend them. Oliver, whose national career began with a Jean Lilywhite-coached Under-15 team that was triumphant at an international tournament in Martinique in 1990, was fired when he asked if it was alright for him to be sent out on loan with another club.
Club manager Kevin Jeffreys delivered a termination letter to him soon after his request at a training session at the training ground of the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva, but he has since said he will challenge the dismissal, although Central FC management responded a few days later, saying the letter it gave to him was not a termination letter but a warning that his contract can be terminated.
Oliver is expected to meet with his Attorneys today to decide on a way forward. He told Guardian his life had been turned upsided down, with his children questioning what he would do now to generate income. “My biggest son in the United States Jamari Oliver called me and said he was disappointed to have heard what had happened to me at Central FC” Oliver said.
He said while he does not hold any malice against the club’s managing director Brent Sancho, he was saddened by claims by him that they helped him (Oliver) build his house, when he did not even receive something as small as a nail, from the club to construct his home.
“Because of this fabrication, my children have been questioning me on whether I received monies to build the house but spent it out” Oliver concluded.
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And so the saga continues. Wey men like contro to put deh head on ah block fuh Sancho and Harrison now? SMH
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So was he sacked ??? He say he was and Sancho say he was not.
Did he turn up to any meetings with the Club Officials ???
If not...was his contract terminated as a result ???
Who is advising him not to attend meetings with the club ???
Is he hanging up his boots ???
Somebody...anybody give we an update nah ???
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The Players’ Status Committee has therefore ruled as follows:
i. That the player be paid all outstanding monies owed inclusive of salary for the months of January and February without deductions.
ii. That no obstacle should be placed in the path of the player with regard to him seeking to be transferred to another Club.
Marvin was not fired and remained an employee of the club. But Marvin did not want to return to the club so he has left as a free agent. Central will pay him his February salary as he has already received his January salary.
This should highlight to players that they should follow the correct grievance procedure instead of running to the press. Marvin has lost 4 months salary through his actions, instead of accepting that his role would no longer be as an automatic starter.
While Central have successfully defended their actions, it is sad that one of their pioneer players has left this way, particularly when he may have left with another Pro League title and maybe another CFU title as well had he stayed.
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... Facts intermingled with editorialising.
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... Facts intermingled with editorialising.
I think so. He got paid for the month of February when he left since in January.
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Pro League rules for Oliver! Central FC ordered to compensate ex-captain.
By Lasana Liburd (wired868).
The Pro League’s Players Status Committee today ruled against its own board member, Central FC, as it declared that the defending Caribbean and Pro League champions had improperly dismissed their former captain and ace midfielder Marvin Oliver.
Central, which is headed by former Sport Minister and 2006 World Cup player Brent Sancho, must now pay Oliver’s salary for February and hand over all outstanding bonuses due to the 41 year old midfielder.
However, it was not a complete victory as the three-member Status Committee, which is chaired by attorney Dave Williams, did not unanimously agree that Oliver’s contract was “illegally terminated.”
As such, the “Couva Sharks” were not ordered to pay Oliver for the remainder of his contract, which expires in May. It means the Pro League committee essentially allowed its member club to avoid having to honour their contract with the player, which they ripped up.
The midfielder does have the option to seek redress in the local courts, though.
Oliver declared that his triumph was a win for Pro League players, who were often allegedly mistreated by club owners and he thanked former Football Players of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) president Shaka Hislop and his lawyer Garth Gilbert for their support. He was also grateful to Wired868 for its fair coverage of the issue.
“I feel proud,” Oliver told Wired868. “I know I had a team of good people around me like yourself, Shaka and my lawyer, so it was a collective effort. I feel it is something good for Pro League players because it is about getting things done in the right way.
“Hopefully, club owners will know they cannot go that way again.”
On Tuesday January 16, Oliver received a letter from Central manager Kevin Jeffrey, which stated that the club had agreed to the player’s request to have his contract terminated.
Oliver informed Jeffrey that he never asked to be released but, after allegedly talking to Sancho and coaches Dale Saunders and Stern John, the manager said the board stood by its decision and asked the former club captain to leave the premises.
After Wired868 broke the story, Central, allegedly through operations manager Kevin Harrison and Sancho, launched a remarkable attack on Oliver in which the club claimed to have helped built the player’s house and saved him from jail.
Oliver denied both allegations while Hislop—Sancho’s former international teammate and FPATT colleague—publicly criticised the club’s handling of the matter.
Even Central’s back-pedalling seemed bizarre, as Sancho claimed that Oliver had not been fired and ordered the player to report to training or be fined.
The Pro League’s Player Status Committee ruled today that Oliver was indeed dismissed and is now officially a free agent.
He has already been wooed by his hometown club, Play Whe San Juan Jabloteh, and is likely to return to the club that he represented before moving to Central.
Oliver joined Central as soon as the club was formed in 2012 and had been an ever present for the Sharks ever since. He was one of their most outstanding players in 2015, which remains the best year in the club’s history, as they became local and regional champions for the first time.
“It is a bittersweet moment for me because I still have friends at Central,” said Oliver. “But I feel good because I stood up for myself. By the grace of Yahweh, he provides for me.
“I am supposed to sign with Jabloteh and I am looking forward to doing that. And I want to start a coaching school afterwards. Or maybe go into farming.”
Sancho and Harrison did not respond to requests for comment by Wired868.
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Marvin Oliver completes return to Jabloteh.
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Veteran midfielder Marvin Oliver will mark his return to San Juan Jabloteh in front of home supporters when the “San Juan Kings” welcome Point Fortin Civic from 4:30pm on Saturday at the Barataria Recreation Ground.
The 40-year-old former Trinidad and Tobago international midfielder’s registration was completed today, giving Jabloteh head coach Keith Jeffrey the greenlight for Saturday’s fixture—Jabloteh’s first return to a community field in 17 years.
Defending Digicel Pro League champions Central FC had issued Oliver a termination letter on January 25, claiming it was based on the player’s request.
Back then Oliver denied seeking termination. Oliver said he was being frozen out and simply questioned what the club would do if another club was willing to have him on loan.
Central later requested a formal meeting with the player, but Oliver, a member of Central’s squad since inception in 2012, said he felt mistreated and will not explore a return to the club.
A decision by the Player Status Committee this month has allowed Oliver, the 2007 Toyota/Pro League player, free movement to another club.
Oliver, who represented Jabloteh between 2008 and 2012, and is the holder of a Concacaf licence for grassroots coaching, has been signed by his hometown club Jabloteh for the remainder of the 2015/16 season.