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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: dyansie on September 04, 2006, 03:57:08 AM
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Does it make sense to vote in this country? Looking around at all that happening
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What would be your alternative?
Remember the struggles of those who went before us in an effort to vote. Nowadays, people, not only young ones, take voting for granting. There is not a country in the world where the citizens don't have problems with the government in power. It's why in democracies there is an opposition.
You can make a difference as ONE person, if not through politics but in how you live your life.
If you are ever able to get your hands on the movie.."The Power of One", check it out and then? GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!
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What would be your alternative?
Remember the struggles of those who went before us in an effort to vote. Nowadays, people, not only young ones, take voting for granting. There is not a country in the world where the citizens don't have problems with the government in power. It's why in democracies there is an opposition.
You can make a difference as ONE person, if not through politics but in how you live your life.
If you are ever able to get your hands on the movie.."The Power of One", check it out and then? GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!
When the choices are all bad..it makes no sense voting.
would u vote for de devil..or satan..or maybe lucifer..
u gettign forked any way u turn. i adovate excercising yuh right to vote..but not when it eh have any one worthy....to vote for.
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I was not old enough to vote in the last election. I will vote in every election till I die. Even if that means choosing the lesser of 2 evils.
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I was not old enough to vote in the last election. I will vote in every election till I die. Even if that means choosing the lesser of 2 evils.
who do u consider the lesser of the evils in trinidad?
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If you look back at all my posts on political topics I have been consistent. I want a fairness public policy and transparency in public spending. Neither the PNM nor the UNC can claim to have fulfilled those roles very well. However in my opinion the PNM is the better bet.
The UNC is now a party of blatant race. Furthermore, many of the numerous allegations of corruption have proven to be more than just political mudslinging.
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If you look back at all my posts on political topics I have been consistent. I want a fairness public policy and transparency in public spending. Neither the PNM nor the UNC can claim to have fulfilled those roles very well. However in my opinion the PNM is the better bet.
The UNC is now a party of blatant race. Furthermore, many of the numerous allegations of corruption have proven to be more that just political mudslinging.
i havent had the opportunity..to read yuh political posts. i hear u boss all the best witht hat decision. i'll wait till a party or persons whoSEEMS "worth" MY VOTE comes around.
till den.
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If you look back at all my posts on political topics I have been consistent. I want a fairness public policy and transparency in public spending. Neither the PNM nor the UNC can claim to have fulfilled those roles very well. However in my opinion the PNM is the better bet.
The UNC is now a party of blatant race. Furthermore, many of the numerous allegations of corruption have proven to be more that just political mudslinging.
i havent had the opportunity..to read yuh political posts. i hear u boss all the best witht hat decision. i'll wait till a party or persons whoSEEMS "worth" MY VOTE comes around.
till den.
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What would be your alternative?Â
Remember the struggles of those who went before us in an effort to vote. Nowadays, people, not only young ones, take voting for granting. There is not a country in the world where the citizens don't have problems with the government in power. It's why in democracies there is an opposition.Â
You can make a difference as ONE person, if not through politics but in how you live your life.
If you are ever able to get your hands on the movie.."The Power of One", check it out and then? GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!
When the choices are all bad..it makes no sense voting.
would u vote for de devil..or satan..or maybe lucifer..
u gettign forked any way u turn. i adovate excercising yuh right to vote..but not when it eh have any one worthy....to vote for.
There will always be something good in one party. To me that attitude sounds like "throwing out the baby with the bath water". People make these statements that all the parties bad, so dey eh voting. Maybe if, like in the US, one of your ancestors was strung up on a tree, or burned and buried for just trying to get people to vote, you would not have that attitude. As a person of colour, and a woman, I will never in my life not vote because too many of those who came before died and suffered to avoid me the right to vote. It is a slap in the face to those. It is a slap in the face to the first TT first Prime Minister, Eric Williams, who fought for the rights of blacks. If not for him, blacks of all walks of life would not be attending CIC and Fatima and working in banks and the like.
It is to me why we as black people struggle more than any other race of people. Look around in Trinidad and in Ontario. Who are the people who are calling the shots. Not black people. Why? because we cyar be bothered. Because it eh makes sense tuh vote fuh who dey. All ah dem is crooks and so on and so on. The communities who band together, who go out and vote and raise their collective voices are the ones who are seen and heard. All we do is fight. We like crabs. Climbing on top of each other in an effort to get to the top and it doesn't matter if we trample others below.
For me, I will continue to say VOTE. If not only for me but to show respect for my ancestors. I will vote in every election, provincial and federal until I die.
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I have always and will continue to vote, The P.N.M to me is still a political paty with some kind of foundation, that can withstand the times
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ok let me try this again...so u ppl syaing i should vote even though i dont agree with any party...so vote jus because?? is that what your syaing? well i just that defeats the whole purpose. and lil good dont cut it. those parties ...trini i talkign about...now specifically the pnm... knows in the present situation they will get relected, hence they really dont heed what the ppl syaing. i will use the whoel aluminium smleter issue as an example. BY the ppl for the ppl. ??? ??? ::) ::) ::)
what th eppl need to do instead of voting..the usual suspects..is to make them know that incumbacny and race is not a cause for reelection while the country is in the state it is.
i will say it agian...if i see a party woirth voting for then i will
and dont kid yuh self ..most ppl in trini vote along race and "region"s lines eh.
it have nothign about my ancestors being strng up on a tree
americans black can vote...alot fo them do....KATRINA...RING A BELL.
big business control governments. dais afact. party contributions etcetc.. trinidad is one of the most corrupt places ind e world.... and who think pnm not corrupt fooling them selves..all ah dem is de same thign
" well felas we have at least 4 yrs..let we see how mcuh we can make"
I WILL VOTE..WHEN I SEE A PARTY THAT GIVES A SHIT
I am glad for thos eof u who vote for voting sake..because of yuh ancestors etc etc..i dont see hwo that helping the future..and the future....
voting for prosterity really beneficial
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ok let me try this again...so u ppl syaing i should vote even though i dont agree with any party...so vote jus because?? is that what your syaing? well i just that defeats the whole purpose. and lil good dont cut it. those parties ...trini i talkign about...now specifically the pnm... knows in the present situation they will get relected, hence they really dont heed what the ppl syaing. i will use the whoel aluminium smleter issue as an example. BY the ppl for the ppl. ??? ??? ::) ::) ::)
what th eppl need to do instead of voting..the usual suspects..is to make them know that incumbacny and race is not a cause for reelection while the country is in the state it is.
i will say it agian...if i see a party woirth voting for then i will
and dont kid yuh self ..most ppl in trini vote along race and "region"s lines eh.
it have nothign about my ancestors being strng up on a tree
americans black can vote...alot fo them do....KATRINA...RING A BELL.
big business control governments. dais afact. party contributions etcetc.. trinidad is one of the most corrupt places ind e world.... and who think pnm not corrupt fooling them selves..all ah dem is de same thign
" well felas we have at least 4 yrs..let we see how mcuh we can make"
I WILL VOTE..WHEN I SEE A PARTY THAT GIVES A SHIT
I am glad for thos eof u who vote for voting sake..because of yuh ancestors etc etc..i dont see hwo that helping the future..and the future....
voting for prosterity really beneficial
Well I glad fuh you too if that's your position. That's your right and more power to you for it. Since without voting rights and legistlation brought on by those rights, you would not have had the "right" to even express that opinion.
So to go back to the original question by the poster of who voting...it obviously won't be you but it sure will be me.
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i agree its my right....but dont forget ..not because somehting is your right..means its somethign "right" to do.
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ok let me try this again...so u ppl syaing i should vote even though i dont agree with any party...so vote jus because?? is that what your syaing? well i just that defeats the whole purpose. and lil good dont cut it. those parties ...trini i talkign about...now specifically the pnm... knows in the present situation they will get relected, hence they really dont heed what the ppl syaing. i will use the whoel aluminium smleter issue as an example. BY the ppl for the ppl. ??? ??? ::) ::) ::)
what th eppl need to do instead of voting..the usual suspects..is to make them know that incumbacny and race is not a cause for reelection while the country is in the state it is.
i will say it agian...if i see a party woirth voting for then i will
and dont kid yuh self ..most ppl in trini vote along race and "region"s lines eh.
it have nothign about my ancestors being strng up on a tree
americans black can vote...alot fo them do....KATRINA...RING A BELL.
big business control governments. dais afact. party contributions etcetc.. trinidad is one of the most corrupt places ind e world.... and who think pnm not corrupt fooling them selves..all ah dem is de same thign
" well felas we have at least 4 yrs..let we see how mcuh we can make"
I WILL VOTE..WHEN I SEE A PARTY THAT GIVES A SHIT
I am glad for thos eof u who vote for voting sake..because of yuh ancestors etc etc..i dont see hwo that helping the future..and the future....
voting for prosterity really beneficial
Your frustration is no doubt real and shared by literally billions of people around the world. I think the route you are taking is one of convenience. In my view it is more effective to put pressure on parties or to engage in political activity yourself rather than treat the process with complete apathy.
You highlighted the role of big business in politics and its subsequent negatively equalising effect on the operations of all parties that attain office. This is perhaps best manfested in the Smelter Plant issue where it has recently come to the fore that both the PNM and the UNC have supported this venture in different dispensations. Big business has a role to play indeed. However it must never supercede the role of the people. I will vote because there are real tangible benefits to be derived from good public administration.
Everything from traffic infrastructure, education and healthcare to sport and the arts is directly impacted by public policy and spending. The nation's patronage must not be monopolised by big wigs but must be used in an effective manner to create and sustain an equitable society. In virtually all capitalist nations, these big wigs have considerable influence over governments. It should be noted however that democracy can work to defend the interests of the people. We as citizens must demand from our government a better quality of service. It all has to do with interest. A government that denies the call of the people can do so because the people have not demonstrated that they significant stakeholders in the enterprise of nationhood. Our unions are full of idiots and our associations are weak. The people have shown contempt for moving as a bloc on a range of issues. The situation is bad because we allow it be that way.
I will vote and I will I be vocal about the nation's welfare, because I think it is the right thing to do.
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ok let me try this again...so u ppl syaing i should vote even though i dont agree with any party...so vote jus because?? is that what your syaing? well i just that defeats the whole purpose. and lil good dont cut it. those parties ...trini i talkign about...now specifically the pnm... knows in the present situation they will get relected, hence they really dont heed what the ppl syaing. i will use the whoel aluminium smleter issue as an example. BY the ppl for the ppl. ??? ??? ::) ::) ::)
what th eppl need to do instead of voting..the usual suspects..is to make them know that incumbacny and race is not a cause for reelection while the country is in the state it is.
i will say it agian...if i see a party woirth voting for then i will
and dont kid yuh self ..most ppl in trini vote along race and "region"s lines eh.
it have nothign about my ancestors being strng up on a tree
americans black can vote...alot fo them do....KATRINA...RING A BELL.
big business control governments. dais afact. party contributions etcetc.. trinidad is one of the most corrupt places ind e world.... and who think pnm not corrupt fooling them selves..all ah dem is de same thign
" well felas we have at least 4 yrs..let we see how mcuh we can make"
I WILL VOTE..WHEN I SEE A PARTY THAT GIVES A SHIT
I am glad for thos eof u who vote for voting sake..because of yuh ancestors etc etc..i dont see hwo that helping the future..and the future....
voting for prosterity really beneficial
Your frustration is no doubt real and shared by literally billions of people around the world. I think the route you are taking is one of convience. In my view it is more effective to put pressure on parties or to engage in political activity yourself rather than treat the process with complete apathy.
You highlighted the role of big business in politics and its subsequent negatively equalising effect on the operations of all parties that attain office. This is perhaps best manfested in the Smelter Plant issue where it has recently come to the fore that both the PNM and the UNC have supported this venture in different dispensations. Big business has a role to play indeed. However it must never supercede the role of the people. I will vote because there are real tangible benefits to be derived from good public administration.
Everything from traffic infrastructure, education and healthcare to sport and the arts is directly impacted by public policy and spending. The nation's patronage must not be monopolised by big wigs but must be used in an effective manner to create and sustain an equitable society. In virtually all capitalist nations, these big wigs have considerable influence over governments. It should be noted however that democracy can work to defend the interests of the people. We as citizens must demand from our government a better quality of service. It all has to do with interest. A government that denies the call of the people can do so because the people have not demonstrated that they significant stakeholders in the enterprise of nationhood. Our unions are full of idiots and our associations are weak. The people have shown contempt for moving as a bloc on a range of issues. The situation is bad because we allow it be that way.
I will vote and I will I be vocal about the nation's welfare, because I think it is the right thing to do.
see that satement there its is apt as can be.
but the ironic thing is that voting..and puttin in power a group of fello citizens is suppose to be the way we stop allowing things to be "that" way. but it doesnt work..cause hwo ever in power just conitnue the corruption status quo and dat defeats the purpose
PLATO IN his republic..said that those who govern and protect are suppose to eb the BEST of us. suppose to eb un corruptible. now i knwo this is not an ideal world..lol..but come one eh. its a big joke..and a mockery as my dear forumite sid..alot of ppl fought and died for.
isnt that sullyign thier names.
now i am a cynic...i admit...but i am also not going to allow my self to be frusrtraed..by ppl i put in power..then they makin my country worse..
who will get angrier if trini goes to hill those who continue to vote the said party who trashed the place..
or those who didnt vote.... and like ME would jus sigh
NOW I AINT SAYING I WILL NEVER VOTE... i RETITERATE FOR DE WHAT 4TH POST. i will vote...and excersise my right..when ppl who in my HUMBLE opnion.. can or porpabbly make a valuabe contribution to the country and world and nto folloow de gimmer of power and money.
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I just going to read this one out.....no comment :-X
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I just going to read this one out.....no comment :-X
cana dat u or yuh twin...
be still my heart..... i looking out side ie he seeing no blue moon....de world coming to an end..helling freezing over..ah sacred..lemem giv emeh life to jesus, god, all de hindu gods, budda, alllah..who ah miss out allyuh
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ok let me try this again...so u ppl syaing i should vote even though i dont agree with any party...so vote jus because?? is that what your syaing? well i just that defeats the whole purpose. and lil good dont cut it. those parties ...trini i talkign about...now specifically the pnm... knows in the present situation they will get relected, hence they really dont heed what the ppl syaing. i will use the whoel aluminium smleter issue as an example. BY the ppl for the ppl. ??? ??? ::) ::) ::)
what th eppl need to do instead of voting..the usual suspects..is to make them know that incumbacny and race is not a cause for reelection while the country is in the state it is.
i will say it agian...if i see a party woirth voting for then i will
and dont kid yuh self ..most ppl in trini vote along race and "region"s lines eh.
it have nothign about my ancestors being strng up on a tree
americans black can vote...alot fo them do....KATRINA...RING A BELL.
big business control governments. dais afact. party contributions etcetc.. trinidad is one of the most corrupt places ind e world.... and who think pnm not corrupt fooling them selves..all ah dem is de same thign
" well felas we have at least 4 yrs..let we see how mcuh we can make"
I WILL VOTE..WHEN I SEE A PARTY THAT GIVES A SHIT
I am glad for thos eof u who vote for voting sake..because of yuh ancestors etc etc..i dont see hwo that helping the future..and the future....
voting for prosterity really beneficial
Your frustration is no doubt real and shared by literally billions of people around the world. I think the route you are taking is one of convenience. In my view it is more effective to put pressure on parties or to engage in political activity yourself rather than treat the process with complete apathy.
You highlighted the role of big business in politics and its subsequent negatively equalising effect on the operations of all parties that attain office. This is perhaps best manfested in the Smelter Plant issue where it has recently come to the fore that both the PNM and the UNC have supported this venture in different dispensations. Big business has a role to play indeed. However it must never supercede the role of the people. I will vote because there are real tangible benefits to be derived from good public administration.
Everything from traffic infrastructure, education and healthcare to sport and the arts is directly impacted by public policy and spending. The nation's patronage must not be monopolised by big wigs but must be used in an effective manner to create and sustain an equitable society. In virtually all capitalist nations, these big wigs have considerable influence over governments. It should be noted however that democracy can work to defend the interests of the people. We as citizens must demand from our government a better quality of service. It all has to do with interest. A government that denies the call of the people can do so because the people have not demonstrated that they significant stakeholders in the enterprise of nationhood. Our unions are full of idiots and our associations are weak. The people have shown contempt for moving as a bloc on a range of issues. The situation is bad because we allow it be that way.
I will vote and I will I be vocal about the nation's welfare, because I think it is the right thing to do.
Well said. The problem with the general public in terms of governments is that they often look at one or two issues or one major thing that may be happening and then based on those one or two issues decide that that party or parties are not worth their vote and so they don't. There are so many other issues involved and without exercising your voting rights, you give up, in my opinion, all your rights.
Just my two cents.
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I just going to read this one out.....no comment :-X
cana dat u or yuh twin...
be still my heart..... i looking out side ie he seeing no blue moon....de world coming to an end..helling freezing over..ah sacred..lemem giv emeh life to jesus, god, all de hindu gods, budda, alllah..who ah miss out allyuh
hush ya ass...
ah doh discuss politics, race and religion...cause at dey end of dem topics..somebody go get vex and ah know of PEOPLE getting dey death with dem topics.
ah go just read. :angel:
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what else to talk about then, those things are important in our country today, if we were dealing with those topics things might have been so different.......
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what else to talk about then, those things are important in our country today, if we were dealing with those topics things might have been so different.......
ever thought bout if we DIDN'T discuss dem topics dey world/trinidad and tobago might ah been ah better place ?
take a look around...what are the main reasons for the world/trinidad and tobago to be in this state it is today
my opinion :beermug:
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what else to talk about then, those things are important in our country today, if we were dealing with those topics things might have been so different.......
ever thought bout if we DIDN'T discuss dem topics dey world/trinidad and tobago might ah been ah better place ?
take a look around...what are the main reasons for the world/trinidad and tobago to be in this state it is today
my opinion :beermug:
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why not talk about something that concerns us, does not make sense, we need to educate oursleves much better to deal with it
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ah disagree but say wha...
this is what i was talkin bout luv.
anyways i will continue readin :beermug:
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ah disagree but say wha...
this is what i was talkin bout luv.
anyways i will continue readin :beermug:
CANA OH CANA THOUGHT U WASNT SYAING NUTTIN
LOL
HAHAHAH :rotfl: :rotfl:
i happy now de world not goning to end..how do u unjoin religions?
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ah disagree but say wha...
this is what i was talkin bout luv.
anyways i will continue readin :beermug:
CANA OH CANA THOUGHT U WASNT SYAING NUTTIN
LOL
HAHAHAHÂ :rotfl: :rotfl:
i happy now de world not goning to end..how do u unjoin religions?
you doh tell meh nuffin until ya give meh wha ah ask ya fur.
it not good fur ya health tur have ah oman waiting on ya....
ya is ah arima boy, you shoulda know dat already >:(
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I have always and will continue to vote, The P.N.M to me is still a political paty with some kind of foundation, that can withstand the times
yeah dey could withstand the times by keep reinventing the "dependcy syndrome" lol
DEWD, 10 days, URP and now CEPEP.
they ent realize they wasting money..all dey have to do is cut it done to 2 days and they still go get the same votes plus more money to theif to put in dey pockets.
U.N.C try to have them go to school, learn a trade and thing to be self sufficient but the majority ah people too lazy and just wanted handouts as usual.
allyuh is conveniently forget all the billions that PNM and they people theif in the late 70's-early 80's..where the Commission of Inquiry on them scandals?
U.N.C in ah mess but i still think they are the better bet.
btw what kinda arseness is dat where the South people have to pay for using the new highway dey planning to build?..as far as i know it ent have no oil and gas up North..steups
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ok let me try this again...so u ppl syaing i should vote even though i dont agree with any party...so vote jus because?? is that what your syaing? well i just that defeats the whole purpose. and lil good dont cut it. those parties ...trini i talkign about...now specifically the pnm... knows in the present situation they will get relected, hence they really dont heed what the ppl syaing. i will use the whoel aluminium smleter issue as an example. BY the ppl for the ppl. ??? ??? ::) ::) ::)
what th eppl need to do instead of voting..the usual suspects..is to make them know that incumbacny and race is not a cause for reelection while the country is in the state it is.
i will say it agian...if i see a party woirth voting for then i will
and dont kid yuh self ..most ppl in trini vote along race and "region"s lines eh.
it have nothign about my ancestors being strng up on a tree
americans black can vote...alot fo them do....KATRINA...RING A BELL.
big business control governments. dais afact. party contributions etcetc.. trinidad is one of the most corrupt places ind e world.... and who think pnm not corrupt fooling them selves..all ah dem is de same thign
" well felas we have at least 4 yrs..let we see how mcuh we can make"
I WILL VOTE..WHEN I SEE A PARTY THAT GIVES A SHIT
I am glad for thos eof u who vote for voting sake..because of yuh ancestors etc etc..i dont see hwo that helping the future..and the future....
voting for prosterity really beneficial
Organic a no vote is a vote for the ruling party. So you do infact vote.
If no one voted in the next election the PNM will retain power.
Besides you are missing the point. No party will ever be worthwhile enough or good enough as it will be a party of men and women.
You have to exercise your franchise, it remains the greatest right of any citizen. A vote is a measure of equality...your vote is as meaningful as mine or Panday's or Manning's!!!
A lot of trinis take voting for granted as do the majority of Americans. Fact is they are disenchanted by governments and believe that their votes dont count. It is this very apathy that enables governments to carry on with their dotishness! The leaders realize that those who vote have similar agendas and they are empowered to do shit.
If every citizen of voting age were to vote a clear message will be sent to leaders..do what is beneficial or else we moving yuh.
In 1776 it was one vote that made english and not german the official language of de USA.
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I have always and will continue to vote, The P.N.M to me is still a political paty with some kind of foundation, that can withstand the times
yeah dey could withstand the times by keep reinventing the "dependcy syndrome" lol
DEWD, 10 days, URP and now CEPEP.
they ent realize they wasting money..all dey have to do is cut it done to 2 days and they still go get the same votes plus more money to theif to put in dey pockets.
U.N.C try to have them go to school, learn a trade and thing to be self sufficient but the majority ah people too lazy and just wanted handouts as usual.
allyuh is conveniently forget all the billions that PNM and they people theif in the late 70's-early 80's..where the Commission of Inquiry on them scandals?
U.N.C in ah mess but i still think they are the better bet.
btw what kinda arseness is dat where the South people have to pay for using the new highway dey planning to build?..as far as i know it ent have no oil and gas up North..steups
In yuh dreams the UNC is ah better bet!
Yes de pnm did tief in de 80's..de unc tief in de 90's! Trouble is allyuh too damn passive and non voting so shit remains de same.
Panday is ah power hungry power grubbing and grabbing man.and he sold out is powetr base long time. If yuh know ANYTHING about T&T politics yuh would know how Panday came to prominence...and what he did to those who helped him rise to the top? NUTTEN! (if yuh want clarification/edification I would be glad to educate yuh!)
And jes who it is that de UNC did try tuh educate and send tuh school and dey refuse dis education? Yuh mean dey pay fuh some tuh go to trade school and den had no jobs fuh dem? Or maybe dat was jes anodder type ah hand out?
And yuh is ah propaganda master ah wha? URP and CPEP.....didnt dat exist under UNC governance too?
and all de bull shit talk about preferntial admissions fuh blacs in UWI...steups if anyone with half de sight ah say.....a blind man went to UWI campus dey would see dat is ah damn lie!
And de lies about de demotions and firing ah indo-trinis..will see dat Manohar Ramsaran lie...he damn lie!
And when and ex-communist Wade Mark write an say at more trinis seeking refugee status in Canada a simple call tuh de Canadian embassy and I learn dat he lie...he damn lie!
And guess who make it easy fuh indians and blacks tuh get FREE education in T&T? It didnt have ah UNC den fella! I eh really like de imcompetence ah de PNM nor de blatant lies and racism of de UNC.....BUT.....
Breds me eh like de race ting eh but ah could never in good conscience vote fuh U Ent See! N-E-V-E-R!
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That's the damn thing self, well done True Trini, My little sister going UWI through the PNM, because we only have to buy books and if you cannot afford the books the government have a help loan. PNM encourage people to go to school. Must, Hype, OJT, but is who want to take it. If UNC cannot organise some little stupid internal affairs, how de hell they will run Trinidad and Tobago. Everyone is human, but the PNM standing out, because none ah we would have been typing here if we did not get that free education under the PNM government.
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All politicians are corrupt selfish and nasty and I FISHS HATE DEM WID AH PASSION
But if yuh doh vote yuh could allow dem to feel dey right to become anarchists,
so if yuh ent like PNM or UNC do like me an vote fuh the craziest party that out dey.
Like Fung Kee Fung an dem who was teaching people how to float in St James. ;D ;D ;D
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Organic jus outta curiosity
If one of your students brought up this topic,,,what would you tell them?
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All politicians are corrupt selfish and nasty and I FISHS HATE DEM WID AH PASSION
But if yuh doh vote yuh could allow dem to feel dey right to become anarchists,
so if yuh ent like PNM or UNC do like me an vote fuh the craziest party that out dey.
Like Fung Kee Fung an dem who was teaching people how to float in St James. ;D ;D ;D
yuh eh talking about my good fren Peter?
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Organic, I carefully re-read your reasons for not voting, and you gave conflicted reasons for not voting. I clearly see that you are disenchanted, just like I am, but fella, come now. re-read what you posted and tell me that yuh eh engage in double speak!
now specifically the pnm... knows in the present situation they will get relected, hence they really dont heed what the ppl syaing. i will use the whoel aluminium smleter issue as an example. BY the ppl for the ppl.
what th eppl need to do instead of voting..the usual suspects..is to make them know that incumbacny and race is not a cause for reelection while the country is in the state it is.
Yuh saying de PNM know dat dey getting re-elected so dey eh doing ah ting tuh improve de situation...so why yuh eh voting again? Is people like you who does allow dem tuh carry on so. Dey know allyuh disenchanted, so dey maintain de status quo! Thanks fuh dat breds! Yuh contributing tuh de destruction ah MY country!
because if all ah we who disgruntled did vote dey arse would be long gorn!
i agree its my right....but dont forget ..not because somehting is your right..means its somethign "right" to do.
By this statement alone ah know yuh is not ah History teacher! Yuh need tuh exercise yuh franchise and vote....if yuh eh like either ah de major parties, do some research and educate yuhself on de minority parties, a vote, indeed if many of us vote for one ah dem parties, a clear message will be sent! Don't you think so?
but the ironic thing is that voting..and puttin in power a group of fello citizens is suppose to be the way we stop allowing things to be "that" way. but it doesnt work..cause hwo ever in power just conitnue the corruption status quo and dat defeats the purpose
I am going be an ass here (forgive me eh)...so maybe instead ah voting dem out, firing dey arse we should do ah little revolution ting and send dem tuh de guillotine?
who will get angrier if trini goes to hill those who continue to vote the said party who trashed the place..
or those who didnt vote.... and like ME would jus sigh
The only irony here is the fact that people like you who DONT vote are the reason for MY country going downhill, being destroyed and sullied! Because when allyuh doh vote allyuh saying tings good, keep whoever in power in power we satisfied. Becasue as I already pointed out...if nobody votes in de next election, de PNM retains power..so sit down and whine dat tings bad and doh vote....send the message loud and clear, I like it as it is, becasue whining is my ting!
Feliziano tell de trute about Governmental handouts yuh know...like de Old Roma Empire decadence set in, apathy ruled and that once great civilization crumbled...Trinidad on ah similar path....God forbid.
He eh lie when he say dat UNC was a more efficient leadership dan de PNM either. But he either lying, misguided or blinded to think and say that dey eh tief, and maybe as much as de PNM too!
Dey does spew race propaganda to divide the already partitioned nation. Their own political machine is stalled and badly divided on issues of leadership, corruption control and direction, yet they presume to be ready to lead the nation and to solve race relations?
How can they do that when they cannot even set an example within their own house?
I will vote for satan and not lucifer this time.
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with the petrodollars t&t making, corruption shouldn't be as big a deal as people making it out to be. it would be different if t&t were cash-strapped and had no resources and politicians were tiefing money from the poor. the fact of the matter is that t&t have lots of money. the real criteria should be what has the govt done? if a govt taking a few dollars on the side but making sure that pipe-born water is extended to other parts of the island, making sure that infrastructure is being built and improved, improving and buildilng new hospitals - that kind of thing, then i cyah begrudge them for taking money on the side when there is plenty. ah mean, it like people want politicans to act like saints like govt is a church or something. that doh make sense.
so the test for me is which new govt will do better for the people despite their very apparent flaws.
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Where is NJAC when yuh need dem?
Ah wonder if Sat have he own party or maybe he have to bring somebody down from India to inspire he to form one?
Mebbe Lok Jak could form he own party? Wait...if ah not mistaken....ah tink he is! He, Quei Tung, Chow Lin On and dem might be doin a ting
Den of course Sabga, Salloum and Aboud and dem could form dem own
Perreria, Ferreria, De Freitas, De Souza and dem could have dem own
Plenty options out dey besides PNM and UNC
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Where is NJAC when yuh need dem?
Ah wonder if Sat have he own party or maybe he have to bring somebody down from India to inspire he to form one?
Mebbe Lok Jak could form he own party? Wait...if ah not mistaken....ah tink he is! He, Quei Tung, Chow Lin On and dem might be doin a ting
Den of course Sabga, Salloum and Aboud and dem could form dem own
Perreria, Ferreria, De Freitas, De Souza and dem could have dem own
Plenty options out dey besides PNM and UNC
;D ;D :beermug: :beermug:
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Once the focus on the citizens, then they good for something
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wow one dya i eh come onlien and meh ass is grass..lord.fadda
well i real busy..school start so it go hadda be weekend i sit and asnwer.....doh worry i e running. will be back...
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Organic, I carefully re-read your reasons for not voting, and you gave conflicted reasons for not voting. I clearly see that you are disenchanted, just like I am, but fella, come now. re-read what you posted and tell me that yuh eh engage in double speak!
now specifically the pnm... knows in the present situation they will get relected, hence they really dont heed what the ppl syaing. i will use the whoel aluminium smleter issue as an example. BY the ppl for the ppl.
what th eppl need to do instead of voting..the usual suspects..is to make them know that incumbacny and race is not a cause for reelection while the country is in the state it is.
Yuh saying de PNM know dat dey getting re-elected so dey eh doing ah ting tuh improve de situation...so why yuh eh voting again? Is people like you who does allow dem tuh carry on so. Dey know allyuh disenchanted, so dey maintain de status quo! Thanks fuh dat breds! Yuh contributing tuh de destruction ah MY country!
because if all ah we who disgruntled did vote dey arse would be long gorn!
i agree its my right....but dont forget ..not because somehting is your right..means its somethign "right" to do.
By this statement alone ah know yuh is not ah History teacher! Yuh need tuh exercise yuh franchise and vote....if yuh eh like either ah de major parties, do some research and educate yuhself on de minority parties, a vote, indeed if many of us vote for one ah dem parties, a clear message will be sent! Don't you think so?
but the ironic thing is that voting..and puttin in power a group of fello citizens is suppose to be the way we stop allowing things to be "that" way. but it doesnt work..cause hwo ever in power just conitnue the corruption status quo and dat defeats the purpose
I am going be an ass here (forgive me eh)...so maybe instead ah voting dem out, firing dey arse we should do ah little revolution ting and send dem tuh de guillotine?
who will get angrier if trini goes to hill those who continue to vote the said party who trashed the place..
or those who didnt vote.... and like ME would jus sigh
The only irony here is the fact that people like you who DONT vote are the reason for MY country going downhill, being destroyed and sullied! Because when allyuh doh vote allyuh saying tings good, keep whoever in power in power we satisfied. Becasue as I already pointed out...if nobody votes in de next election, de PNM retains power..so sit down and whine dat tings bad and doh vote....send the message loud and clear, I like it as it is, becasue whining is my ting!
Feliziano tell de trute about Governmental handouts yuh know...like de Old Roma Empire decadence set in, apathy ruled and that once great civilization crumbled...Trinidad on ah similar path....God forbid.
He eh lie when he say dat UNC was a more efficient leadership dan de PNM either. But he either lying, misguided or blinded to think and say that dey eh tief, and maybe as much as de PNM too!
Dey does spew race propaganda to divide the already partitioned nation. Their own political machine is stalled and badly divided on issues of leadership, corruption control and direction, yet they presume to be ready to lead the nation and to solve race relations?
How can they do that when they cannot even set an example within their own house?
I will vote for satan and not lucifer this time.
ok i coulndt wait
so u saying...i asking now....i should vote for unc, just to send a message to pnm? i asking now if that is what u mean.
allyuh actin like i said voting is worng. and ppl shouldnt do it. i said i would be the first to vite.. if i saw someoen to vote for.. u vote for lucifer... dais your perogative.... i never said u shouldnt vote.
and what u said id ppl like me who have the coutnry going down cause i dont vote..and as u rightly said gives the vote to the incumbent..
whata bout all thos eppl who voted for unc/nar coalition and ousted the pnm. u think they were happy after 4 yrs. pnm got a message...or should have...it didnt stick did it cause once they back in power ..same shit different day.
i eh know how beheading ppl come into any thign( though cause of the french revolution de same democracy and voting rights allyuh touting came into being eh. (and i am not a history teacher..BUT I KNOW ALOT OF HISTROY ALOT.)
i agree also with u about do some reaseacr and educate yuh self bout th eminor parties.....
in trini...is for the past how long njac....which had thier own black power agenda...and dem days i wa syoung so it eh apply to me.
now i see there are some new parties....if they seem tobe a bitter bet i WILL vote for them..however....before they even start good they have infighting...we will see..if they serious and i like what they "say" they will do..i will try to chancge.
lemem repeat again before ppl all meh out again i never say pl shoudlnt vote...lord fadda i said i will vote when i find someone STILL EH VOTING JUST EBCAUSE.
DUtty as a teacher i try to keep my opnions as much as possible outta discusson especially if it is a senstive topic.. example genetic modification or inteligent design.
if a student was to ask me..i would tell them..everyhtign that wa smentioned by our asttute fellow forumites....that its thier right to vote and ppl fought long n hard etc etc. my opnions has nuttit o do with the information i imparting( wellw e try though we might fail)
another thign i dont think as a ppl ...or citizens of any country .. w houls have to settle for lucifer or satan... dais my pt..dais encuoragign shit..y cant..even if is nto not...but maybe an angelic body...or even FRIGGIN HUMAN.
IF dem same ppl who fought for the right to vote settled .. then all this discussion woulda be non exsistent now.
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I like how this thread going.
I was fraid it would just be arguing bout which Party better but that is peripheral.
If you rely solely on voting in a general election as your participation then nothing will change....so by itself it really isn't all that powerful. U mght say we have left voting as our only way of participating for too long.
People at home are beginning to realise (slowly) that participating in the governance of our country goes WAY BEYOND voting. It gives me some hope that there is the possibility that we are awakening to our power to direct...not be directed. By force and desperation people are seeking ways to facilitate that shift.
The people have to understand and USE the tools in the constitution that allow them to direct what we as a country do. A new constitution is on the cards....I assume after this election....but it is only as good as we put it to use.
We have more than two parties in T&T btw......really doesn't matter if you think they going to win or not. The smaller parties are usually quite different BUT...I suspect many people believe it is a hopeless vote for them if they know they not going to win. This is not the case...Fishs I salute your choice...u make a statement :beermug:
Organic...I also have to say I kinda respect/understand the choice to abstain if you believe it makes a statement. I'd hope u would find some other way to participate...perhaps ways you think are more effective. (not Abu Bakr methods doh :devil:)
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with the petrodollars t&t making, corruption shouldn't be as big a deal as people making it out to be. it would be different if t&t were cash-strapped and had no resources and politicians were tiefing money from the poor. the fact of the matter is that t&t have lots of money. the real criteria should be what has the govt done? if a govt taking a few dollars on the side but making sure that pipe-born water is extended to other parts of the island, making sure that infrastructure is being built and improved, improving and buildilng new hospitals - that kind of thing, then i cyah begrudge them for taking money on the side when there is plenty. ah mean, it like people want politicans to act like saints like govt is a church or something. that doh make sense.
so the test for me is which new govt will do better for the people despite their very apparent flaws.
dat is what i does say too.
dey could thief money but at least try and spend 80% or more on developing the country..not take all for yuh friends and family.
it will always have corruption..it does just get more noticeable when one party thief more than the next party and then they start to bitch bout it lol
at least this rounds from the PNM we get ah tsunami shelter ;D
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Does it make sense to vote in this country? Looking around at all that happening
aye Manning God-daughter ;D
ah now realize what yuh ask dey lol
so exactly what is happening all around?
is it good or bad?
yuh better doh let yuh Uncle Pat see yuh asking them kinda questions in public ;D
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My dear Feliziano, I still do believe in the foundation that the PNM started but i am not to happy with exactly what is taking place, especially with the poor people, we have too much money and helping other countries and we forgetting our own. Our country comes first, we elected you, we put you as our first choice, so we expect the same.
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In seriousness.
Have you guys seen the draft constitution written by Ellis Clarke ?
Well if you have not, let me tell you that the constitution creates an executive president that is above the law and has some of the more important independant bodies answerable to him or her.
For instance the service commissions now fall under him, the DPP and part of the judiciary. Amongst other thing like no independant senators.
Read Selwyn Ryan and the constitution is available on the PNM website
If PNM wins a 3/4 majority this constitution will more than likely be approved and become law.
Manning may not be the man to abuse this power but what about laters ?
Check out the scenario when yuh decide to vote.
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Trinidad Guardian
Sunday 12th November, 2006
Blows for Govt on crime (http://guardian.co.tt/archives/2006-11-12/news1.html)
With the murder toll standing at 326 for the year so far, with the slaying of a US resident and a D’Abadie handyman yesterday, the Government is taking a licking on its handling of crime.
And not only do the majority of people feel that the Government is doing a poor job in handling crime, most of them would not vote for the PNM in the next general election.
These are the results of the ANSA McAL poll which is published on Page 32.
Answering the question: How would you rate the Government’s handling of the crime situation this year, 59 per cent of the survey population said poor, with only 11 saying good and 30 per cent fair.
While not unexpectedly, the largest percentage of Indo-Trinidadians and mixed people gave the Government a poor rating on its handling of crime, the largest segment of Afro-Trinidadians gave a fair rating.
And while the PNM stood ahead of its rivals in terms of the party that would do the best job of dealing with crime, at a mere 15 per cent, it was overwhelmed by the percentage of people, at 61 per cent, who just didn’t know who would do the best job.
The ratings were even more dismal in terms of kidnappings, with 71 per cent of the population saying they don’t think the Government has adequately dealt with the problem.
Capping this trend of disenchantment with the Government’s handling of crime overall, a whopping 49 per cent of the population said the crime situation would cause them to vote against the ruling party and 37 per cent said they didn’t know.
A mere 14 per cent said they would still vote for the PNM, despite the crime situation.
The poll’s findings follow a particularly uneasy week in T&T last week, which started with the shooting death in Felicity of Kevin Valley of St Thomas Village in Chaguanas on Sunday, and which saw police being called in to restore and maintain calm over the Felicity and St Thomas Village areas.
On Sunday, too, poultry farmer David Ramkissoon was abducted, with the kidnappers demanding a $3 million ransom.
He was released on Friday.
The slaying of US resident Scott Coy and D’Abadie handyman Karlon Maxwell follows Friday’s discovery of the body of 40-year-old PH driver George Samuel in Santa Cruz, and the charred body of a woman found in a burnt house in San Juan, which an autopsy showed to have chop wounds to the neck.
On Friday, also, a woman, Rambhar Narine, was found chopped and bludgeoned to death on the back steps of her Barrackpore home.
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well dcs, if dat poll is true den yuh dreams will coem true and no more PNM Government. ::)
Doh hold yuh breath.
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:-X
waiting to exhale
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my 2 cents...I agree a non-vote is a vote for the PNM. I'm sorry, but having read the draft constitution I can suggest to you that you can look forward to PM being in charge of everything, and 'not a damn dog bark', the red House will be his private office, the 40M house will be built in St anns, there will be 3 smelters in trinidad, no agriculture, cos the arable land will be in housing, except for cuban run farms, foreign doctors and nurses in the hospitals, a rapid rail system that will cosst $103 million dollars to run per year after building at a cost of $??? Billion. the judges and the legal system will offer no recourse as the PM will be able to select his own judges, or prevent any he doesn't approve of.
the list goes on and on, cos members of the public are being described as "dotish and foolish" and I can't imagine why a 'PNM till ah dead" would accept those descriptions of themselves. sorry there must be an alternative...
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my 2 cents...I agree a non-vote is a vote for the PNM. I'm sorry, but having read the draft constitution I can suggest to you that you can look forward to PM being in charge of everything, and 'not a damn dog bark', the red House will be his private office, the 40M house will be built in St anns, there will be 3 smelters in trinidad, no agriculture, cos the arable land will be in housing, except for cuban run farms, foreign doctors and nurses in the hospitals, a rapid rail system that will cosst $103 million dollars to run per year after building at a cost of $??? Billion. the judges and the legal system will offer no recourse as the PM will be able to select his own judges, or prevent any he doesn't approve of.
the list goes on and on, cos members of the public are being described as "dotish and foolish" and I can't imagine why a 'PNM till ah dead" would accept those descriptions of themselves. sorry there must be an alternative...
dear Ann, me eh know how I come tuh be recognized as a PNM til ah dead....at all, at all.
I is jes ah PNM until UNC dead!
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unc is already dead.
Who getting airtime these days...Gillian Lucky, Yetming...dat is not UNC.
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There are alternatives to the ruling party. Do not be discouraged by the rumblings in the UNC leaders.
All I am saying is we need as a people to grow up and stand up. Our opinion on the manner in which our country is being run is valid. right or wrong, we have a right to be heard. Even if the PNM wins the election they have to accept that they are not there to 'rule' but to 'serve' this is the lesson.