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Sports => Football => Topic started by: slates on May 17, 2005, 07:13:32 AM
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Man, I was pleasantly surprised to see Ian Clauzel listed among TnT's
greatest players. I was at the Mucurapo/John-D game cited in the article in
the Dread Dribbler. I saw Clauzel do things on the soccer field that I have
never seen anywhere else, and mind you, I lived in Germany for 3 years and
saw games at the highest level. I went to CIC and was in Form 1 & 2 in 77
and 78. I remember Clauzel was all over the Express and Guardian when he
hit the scene so I went to see him when Mucurapo played Tranquil on CIC
grounds. From then, I was mesmerized and did all I could to see every
Mucurapo game after that. Just the other day, I was telling another Trini
here, that Clauzel was certainly, the most entertaining, and in my biased
opinion, the best player ever to play in the Colleges League. Maybe that is
only because I saw him play, personally, on many occasions. I am glad to
know that Moose is alive and well.
Slates
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I share the sentiments that Clauzel was very good. But has anyone seen Eric White in my opinion he was more deadly than Ian.
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Did Ian Clauzel ever play for T&T ?
Eric White ? how come we never hear about him ? I've heard about Ian.
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Man, I was pleasantly surprised to see Ian Clauzel listed among TnT's
greatest players. I was at the Mucurapo/John-D game cited in the article in
the Dread Dribbler. I saw Clauzel do things on the soccer field that I have
never seen anywhere else, and mind you, I lived in Germany for 3 years and
saw games at the highest level. I went to CIC and was in Form 1 & 2 in 77
and 78. I remember Clauzel was all over the Express and Guardian when he
hit the scene so I went to see him when Mucurapo played Tranquil on CIC
grounds. From then, I was mesmerized and did all I could to see every
Mucurapo game after that. Just the other day, I was telling another Trini
here, that Clauzel was certainly, the most entertaining, and in my biased
opinion, the best player ever to play in the Colleges League. Maybe that is
only because I saw him play, personally, on many occasions. I am glad to
know that Moose is alive and well.
Slates
I was also present to see two defenders who made him look ordinary too ... Veron Skinner and Anton Serrette. ;D ;D
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I was also present to see two defenders who made him look ordinary too ... Veron Skinner and Anton Serrette. ;D ;D
Doc, are U serious. ? was Veron that old.
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Doc, are U serious. ? was Veron that old.
They're a year or 2 younger that him
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Yes, Clauzel did play for the U19 team. He played at a tournament in Honduras (I think). He was discriminated against because he refused to cut his dreads and was dropped for that reason only. That was a different time. And to the "ordinary" comment: 2 defenders???? I have seen defenders make Ronaldo look ordinary. Not comparing Clauzel to Ronaldo, but 1 game or 2 shouldn't define a player. Grated, Skinner was baad. Serrette too.
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I played against Clauzel and indeed he was exciting,even has the same birthdate as Pele and played well against New York Cosmos against international stars on a Caribbean All Star team.But the man in my opinion who made Clauzel look even better was a midfielder they callled Emerson Dubbision.This guy played for Trinidad against China while still going Mucurapo,but ASL helped destroy his career but keeping him on the bench all the time.
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Did Ian Clauzel ever play for T&T ?
Eric White ? how come we never hear about him ? I've heard about Ian.
The fact that you never heard of him might be an indication of how limited our knowledge base is? Ask Niza, Stewart Charles, Rona La etc or mostl the top defenders/players om that era about him. He was Mucurapo top forward, Modnicks in the pro-League, cocorite United, Ball Giants in the West (Petit Valley, Infirmaty) and also played in the National team, just to name a few.
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"Clauzel, elusive and unpredictable, was the marquee name in an exciting side in which his strike partner Eric While and midfielder Emmerson Dubisson wee also outstanding."
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Yuh know players NC. Dem...along with "Tractor" Brelgrave and "Ole Man" brother Denzil White, were the key components of that team.
Clauzel was the star though. He had the outrageous skills, the dreads (a rarity for most not just a schoolboy), and wasn't just a one dimensional player i.e. dribbling. The goal he scored against John D in that intercol Final was one of the best I have seen from any local player.
My favourite player on that Mucurapo team was Emerson Dubisson though. What a player! Passer, vision, shot, dribble....he had it all. Sad his life took an unfortunate turn.
That was an era of some serious footballers. There was one team at that time that in terms of pure TALENT...could rival Mucurapo...that was John D:
Peter Loobie
Alan "Peru" Anderson (my personal nemesis)
Garfield De Silva
Courtney Pugh
John Castellano
Clayton Morris
Brian Haynes
John D was tough to beat.
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Yuh know players NC. Dem...along with "Tractor" Brelgrave and "Ole Man" brother Denzil White, were the key components of that team.
Palos, have you ever seen Dezil White play, if you did, I am sure you would agree he was the most complete player we ever produced. Kicked the ball with both feet (inside and out), very effective dribbler and a great passer. And on Clauzel being the star, I think he deserves all that is being said, but his hairstyle I believe played a part in his popularity. While that goal was great, I think Eric White was still a better forward to me (personal opinion).
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OK fellas, you get no argument that Emers, Old Man and Tractor were good players. I hear all de argument about Old Man making Clauzel better. Don't forget though, that the reverse is also true. All the media hype was around Clauzel and de dreads. Every defender on every team clued in on dat. So it is fair to say that the attention Clauzel got, made more space and more opportunities for Eric White et al. AND DESPITE DAT, DE DREAD STILL GOT HIS.
Dat was a nice John D squad too though. Pugh and Brian Haynes were trouble.
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And... if memory serves me right, dat same year, Fatima, with Garnet Craig and de Corneal brothers (Allan and Anton) beat Mucurapo too.
But It was all about Ian "Moose" Clauzel!!!
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In reply to NC
I have played against Denzil White....and Ole Man....and all a dem Cocorite Fellas. Â Denzil was excellent but not the "most complete player we ever produce" in my opinion. Â In my opinion, Emer was a more complete player on that Mucurapo team.
Going beyond that, I think Wendell Moore was a more complete player....so too Verron Skinner.
I never saw players like Carlton Franco and dem in action so I can't say. Â Similarly, I saw very little of Leroy De Leon and Gally Cummings in their heyday.
If yuh definition of most complete player is one who is proficient in all the skills of foottball bar goalkeeping i.e. passing, defending, attacking, two footed, shooting...then..
Based on who I have seen...I would say Verron Skinner.
Other honourable mentions...
Russell Latapy
Wendell Moore
Dwight Yorke
Emerson Dubisson
David Nakhid
Derek Lewis
Bert Neptune
Brian Williams
SH would say Peter Mitchell in dah list too
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And... if memory serves me right, dat same year, Fatima, with Garnet Craig and de Corneal brothers (Allan and Anton) beat Mucurapo too.
But It was all about Ian "Moose" Clauzel!!!
Yuh correck....on Fatima grounds when 90% of de crowd was Mucurapo supporters...Game was played on very wet field. Clauzel had man busy but Garnet Craig play like a monster dat day.
If ah not mistaken, Brian de Souza did score de winnin goal.
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What I find interesting is, the topic here was/is TnT Greatest Players. With the exception of a select few, isn't it ALARMING that the topic has been centered on players who distinguished themselves in the "Colleges League"? Isn't it a shame that we haven't spoken more of players who gained noteriety in the TTFA/TTFF sanctioned leagues and for the national teams? Yuh see, dat is why to this day, we cyah qualify for ah world cup. Because beyond de colleges league, collectively, we football... ah doh want to vent condemnation.
Other than the colleges league, we can only talk of a handful of player, Dwight, Russel etc, who has done something beyond high school. I remember Earl "Spiderman" Carter had a stint with the Cosmos. Other than that, I am at a loss.
Any comments???
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Slates.....plenty men went on from college ball to higher heights not only those few yuh mention.The problem is the talent pool at secondary school has drop dramatically over de years.
Just to start yu thinking almost de whole of Benedicks '66 squad went on with 9 men from there starting 11 eventually playing for Trinidad.
Ron La - Belmont
Lincoln Phillip - QRC
Everard Cummins - Fatima
and the list goes on and on.Too many to continue
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Slates have a good point which indirectly explains the problem with Trinidad football. Clauzel and Co. are considered to be the among the greatest TnT players yet some of them have not played much for the national senior level.
Some of the reasons being a lack of development of top youth footballers, personal bias (Clauzel dreads) and other administrative issues. So these issues have affected our football since then, not only in St Clair era. Hopefully these types of issues can be rectified so our football can improve. Football is not affected only at the national senior level by these issues, even at the youth level including schools football.
For example, there was a guy named Chevaughn Marshall who played for Presentation College, San Fernando and was a member of the National Under 17 team captained by Avery John that barely missed qualification for the youth World Cup.
Marshall was a very good left footed player that gained selection on a national youth team but could not start for Presenation because other players were selected by the Principal (not the coach) because these players parents contributed a lot of money to the school. I am sure you forumites can cite numerous examples of very good players that did not get a good opportunity to demonstrate their talent.
I wish Beenhakker the best as we attempt to qualify for the World Cup but he is working for a very poorly organized football administration at all levels. Hopefully the players commitment and heart will be enough on the road to Germany.
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In reply to NC
I have played against Denzil White....and Ole Man....and all a dem Cocorite Fellas. Denzil was excellent but not the "most complete player we ever produce" in my opinion. In my opinion, Emer was a more complete player on that Mucurapo team.
Going beyond that, I think Wendell Moore was a more complete player....so too Verron Skinner.
I never saw players like Carlton Franco and dem in action so I can't say. Similarly, I saw very little of Leroy De Leon and Gally Cummings in their heyday.
If yuh definition of most complete player is one who is proficient in all the skills of foottball bar goalkeeping i.e. passing, defending, attacking, two footed, shooting...then..
Based on who I have seen...I would say Verron Skinner.
Other honourable mentions...
Russell Latapy
Wendell Moore
Dwight Yorke
Emerson Dubisson
David Nakhid
Derek Lewis
Bert Neptune
Brian Williams
SH would say Peter Mitchell in dah list too
Palos, tell me a bit more about your experience comming up against Denzil, was it as a defender and what was it like? I must admit that I am biased because I played a lot with these guys.
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Palos, tell me a bit more about your experience comming up against Denzil, was it as a defender and what was it like? I must admit that I am biased because I played a lot with these guys.
As a former teammate, I found Denzil to be quite good as a striker. He however relied too heavily on his individual improvization, sometimes to the detriment of the team.
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In reply to NC
I used to play midfield. I was nowhere near dem fellas class but ah was capable enough. It was difficult to mark dem fellas one on one so basically what we would is try and deny dem space. Denzil was very sharp...i.e. explosive over a short distance but if you could deny him space, you could somewhat limit his effectiveness.
This is why I say Alan "Peru" Anderson was my personal nemesis. He make me realise jes how much of a shithong I really was. Ah knew all de time ah was a shithong....jes didn't know de extent until "Peru" show meh...every single time ah play against he.
"Peru" was definitely de toughest player I ever play against. He was like a ghost sometimes....one minute he dey in front a yuh....nex...he gone. Dat man coulda play witout de ball. And nuff skills to boot. I have nuff respeck fuh Peru.
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Palos, good assesment of Denzil.
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As a former teammate, I found Denzil to be quite good as a striker. He however relied too heavily on his individual improvization, sometimes to the detriment of the team.
as a coach of Denzil for 1 season doc, I agree, yet he was still successful...what it did definately affect was team production, my past goal-scoring forwards, were quite intimidated, as they were unsure of their roles. He very often, outran his support. Yet he was hard to knock, when the other team had to take it out of the net...
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Palos, mine had to be Chinnas...Lawd he geh meh liks....and on top of dat, ah doh even think ah get close enuff to the man for him to notice meh....After the 3 games ah dey like ah pothound jus let meh out, ah steaming and ah stink....ah was feeling like it nah,... ah know I was it...
So dey last time in DC, he come over and say nice game man...all ah coulda say was "F**k U for the once again",When ah look up, d man son right dey, well is den ah wish somebody did jus flush meh down ah manhole right dey.... I apologized many times after, buh never really forgave mehself for at least not getting in ah good bat while we was on the field.....YUH HEAR DAT CHINNAS... :'( :D ;D
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A lot of guys talk about Dwight and these guys as good forwards, and they might be, however, I think that their was more opportunity for them than there were for many players that were better than they were. Having seen and played with or against players like Steve David, Denzil white, Eric White Lybert Duncan, Mikey "pigshit" (sorry I cannot remember his correct name), Ron Laforest, Leroy Spann, Garth Pollonais, Renwrick Jones, Sammy to name few - it is hard to accept Dwight and others as the best we have produced.
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I am very young and just want to ask one question.Looking back at all these great players which I never saw and the time they played alot of foreign clubs came to Trinidad,and before that they came and toured and what not.How come they never took advantage of the players they saw?South Africa,Bermuda all had player/s that penetrated the English Leagues before the 80's.
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I am very young and just want to ask one question.Looking back at all these great players which I never saw and the time they played alot of foreign clubs came to Trinidad,and before that they came and toured and what not.How come they never took advantage of the players they saw?South Africa,Bermuda all had player/s that penetrated the English Leagues before the 80's.
For the period from the late '60s to late '70s, USA and the NASL was the favoured destination for our aspiring professionals. Maybe accessibility and interest dictated that. :-\
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OK fellas, here's the deal, I think to suggest Dwight is not TnT's greatest takes some balls. Greatness is measured by accomplishments and NOBODY from TnT could match Dwight's accomplishments, granted, timing and opportunity had a lot to do with dat. De problem is, Dwight's accomplishments have not been in de Red, White & Black. Dwight could NEVER be for TnT, what he was for Man U. And the reason is... TEAM. A great player is nothing w/o de team becasuse on his own, he could only do so much. Dwight had Beckahm to cross for him and Cole to work 1 - 2's with him, Keane to win balls for him, De Great Dane to lock-up de goal, etc.
We in TnT, de mentality on de field seem to be, TRY to keep de other team from scoring and, as they say in American Football, "put up a Hail Mary" and hope one ah we forwards come down with it and score. I heard about de TnT team dat was robbed in Haiti in 74 (I think). From what I heard, dat was a team. De Strike Squad was a team. What he have now, or at least, what we've seen of them prior to Leo, is not a team. I hope Leo could make a team with what he's working with. We have de skills, we have players, but we need ah team that we could argue is TnT's Greatest. Qualifying for Germany will certainly stake a claim for dat.
I remember not too long ago, Barbados and St. Vincent used to be afraid to play Trini. Now, dem Vincies coming to Trinidad, talking s#!t, expecting to win. What happened?????
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Slates, the problem with your arguement is that your focus is on the team while the discussion started about individual players. Secondly, while Dwight accomplished a lot in club football, T&T have yet to benefit from his years of playing professionally. Whenever, he plays for T&T he has been unable to influence those games in the way that Zidane would in the French team or Falcao did for the Brazilian team to name a few. Imagine, in the USA game they did not even find it necessary to pay him any extra attention, why, because his game was average. Did he play badly? No, but he was not special either. I agree with your arguement that most of his accomplishments came as a result of playing with a good team. Not to undermine his ability to put the ball in the back of the net, that is not easy to do consistently, eventhough the goals are being created by others.
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NC, I think Dwight did not get special attention against the US, because they knew there was no one to create for him. Dwight dots I's and crosses T's. He is not an orchestrator, a play maker (on the ball - so to speak). He makes plays off the ball and finishes. That is his greatness. And when he suits up for TnT, I think we place unfair expectations on him. That is why I segued to the TEAM. Dwight in the midfield??? That, to me, is an act of DESPERATION.
I don't remember the team that was robbed in Haiti and almost qualified for (I think) the 74 world cup. I don't even remember the Strike Squad because in 89, I was in the Gulf gettin ready for war. I mentioned those teams with the hope that someone might chime in and talk about the great players on those teams. I went to Saints with Nakhid. I knew Latapy as a 14 year-old. Other than that, all I know of them of players beyond those days, was bits and pieces of news. Angus Eve is from Carenage, as I am so we have mutual aquaintances (and Leo drop de man). Besides them, all the players on the team are just names to me. The last TnT game I saw live was when we beat Mexico in Trini (I happened to be visiting). So I want to hear about which player could step up and define themselves as worthy of a TnT Great.
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Slates, the problem with your arguement is that your focus is on the team while the discussion started about individual players. Secondly, while Dwight accomplished a lot in club football, T&T have yet to benefit from his years of playing professionally. Whenever, he plays for T&T he has been unable to influence those games in the way that Zidane would in the French team or Falcao did for the Brazilian team to name a few. Imagine, in the USA game they did not even find it necessary to pay him any extra attention, why, because his game was average. Did he play badly? No, but he was not special either. I agree with your arguement that most of his accomplishments came as a result of playing with a good team. Not to undermine his ability to put the ball in the back of the net, that is not easy to do consistently, eventhough the goals are being created by others.
Yuh know when ah think about it, there is not really a problem with slates argument. Cause those individuals also had better teams and team camaraderie than more recent years. Dwight although blessed with good players on T&T was not blessed with the same Team spirit, ala British teams, ala the old days. T&T better players today are basically journeymen, "passing thru". Even in our local PFL. Steve David, Archie, Gally etc.. had basically 2 teams for the most part... Whey dey grow up, and Trinidad....when the guys went to the NASL, they basically hooked up with many older World Class players, who could contribute to their successes.
So for eg. when a young potential star like a Lovelace ran out for Colts, although Colts may not have been all top class ballers ala a Maple or so...the whole of that colts team, would do everything in their favor to push and support MR. Lovelace son from up the road, and help him stand out as the star he should be...
This occured with many of our better footballers in the past...The rest of his team will give it their all for him, and in so doing the team as well..
Today, everybody is aspiring to that stardom,as the new motifs are "Just do it", "The potential is within", and thus very few are willing to play that supporting role. Especially so, they way our mentality, culture has developed....
I and I, taken to the literal sense..we are the master copiers, but sometimes the things we copy, may look real, sound real, but no real substance...
So we used to sing stuff like, "So Jah say, not one of my seeds, shall sit on the sidewalk and beg no bread"...we chant the words, but few try to fulfill the ideas...
So our football has evolved, a bunch of talented I & I individuals, not all mind you...but very few I & WE.
I would like to express some more personal views, but I am at work...
So to conclude, it is very difficult to compare the greatness of individual players, across different times and societal evolutions, in my view.
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"I don't even remember the Strike Squad because in 89, I was in the Gulf gettin ready for war."
Slates, why did you do that? I cannot imagine a justification for that when you cannot fight to defend yourself or your family.
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Ay allyuh, I playin in a lil county league up dis side wit Slates... last week de man net up 2 big big goals...so I adding Slates to the "TnT Greatest Players" list...any problem wit dat!Â
But on a serious note, I play for CIC back in de late 80's so I my recollection of great players include;
Nixon - gustine
Wise - st.anthonys
Sherwood - pres
Shawn Garcia - qrc
checkey - qrc
Kona -CIC
Colin Rocke - CIC
Mickey - RIP brethren!
Yellowman - San Juan
Legendre - gustine
How dem fellas rate (if at all) to dem vintage men from back in de day...now I know enough to recoginse that Trini hey days was well before my time..so allyuh take it easy when comparing..we all on de same side!
De best national team I see rep trini was when Latas and dem was under16...
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ok i want all yuh tuh list who all yuh tink is trinidad's top 5 players 1-5 ...den after that put who yuh tink iz d al time best player this land has produced ...lets see..shud be interesting...
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Deleon, latapy, yorke,stern john, and spann
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Yorke.
Latapy.
Archibald.
Steve David.
Spanner.
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trininess since ah assuming you mean "trinidad top 5 ever"ah going back in dey 'ole' days
Yorke
Latas
Stern John
Brian Williams .......rastaman coulda jump like flying fish
Clayton Morris.
meh all time best...ummm Jerren Nixon
who vex...well kiss my ass :beermug:
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Latas
Yoke
Claton Morris
Stern John
Marvin Faustin
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Latapy #1 for sure. :beermug:
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This topic will always be debatable,i can see you guys that responded here seem to be young guys or just recently start watching T&T Football,this country although they may not have qualified for a WC in the past have always been blessed with talented players,i personally have played against,coached and seen so many of them that it's very difficult to select a five but if i have to single out any one player i'll give Steve David the edge.
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Coops, yuh know Steve was working in Trinidad with Bechtel on the ALNG project in 98' as Safety Manager ? I think he spend some money trying to revive PFCC but they let him down.
Real nice man Steve no big boaster about himself.
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Dwight Yorke  (did it at de highest level)
Russell Latapy  (one of the worlds best midfielders in his generation)
Stern John  (our greatest goal scorer ever)
Warren Archiball
Steve David
special mention to dennis lawrence and ian "de deadly dribbler" chauvel (or someting so)
ah love it!!
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  special mention to dennis lawrence and ian "de deadly dribbler" chauvel (or something so)
Clauzel. Fantastic at colleges but did not perform de same at national level.
Nice to remember him though.
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Coops, yuh know Steve was working in Trinidad with Bechtel on the ALNG project in 98' as Safety Manager ? I think he spend some money trying to revive PFCC but they let him down.
Real nice man Steve no big boaster about himself.
I did not know this,what i remembered was he left home and was playing in the NASL and i always wondered where he ended up or is today,one good thing i can say about those guys is we used to have our battles on the field(Football),and that stays there we were always friends regardless of what team you played for.Where is Steve know?
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1. Â yorke
2. Â Latapy
3. Â Steve David
4. Â Noel Sammy Llewelyn
5. Â Warren Archibald
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Where is Steve know?
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I think he is back in the States, I am not sure if he is still with Bechtel. Somebody told me he was coaching now, not sure how true that is.
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Latas
York
Steve David
Doyle Griffith
Archibald
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LATAPY 10 ( the best ever....EVER)
dwight yorke
stern john
leonson lewis
joel rahim ( because he was a good friend of mine and the best left back for tnt for the past 25yrs)
and thats the players i saw in my time.....but hats of to the archies and deleons and the rest
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Latapy, DeLeon, Yorke, David, Cummings
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Cummings has to be in that mix,
Yorke - Latapy- Cummings- David- Archibald
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Latapy
Yorke
Deleon
Sookram
Nunes
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Yorke
Latapy
Deleon/Archibald [never see them play but this is for mih father]
Cummings
Stern John [Could be Steve David but it hard to leave out a man with the strikerate Stern has]
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Dat impossible because of de different eras.Have you guys heard about Mathew Nunes,Shay Seymour and Carlton "the general" Franco ?
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latas
yorkie
stern
leonson lewis
marvin faustin
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me
yorke
spanner
latas
dexter lee ;D
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me
yorke
spanner
latas
dexter lee ;D
I want to see some clips from the #1 on your list. Where I could find dat?
My top 5:
Latas
Yorke
D original Spann
Archibald
Jamerson
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me
yorke
spanner
latas
dexter lee ;D
I want to see some clips from the #1 on your list. Where I could find dat?
i'm putting a disk together of me bussing spanner on men all over de world
and is latas better than yorke?
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i'm putting a disk together of me bussing spanner on men all over de world and is latas better than yorke?
For me he is... I ain't choosing this by what the masses think, iz my personal opinion... at least ah see we both have spanner as #3.
Ah waiting to see that disk!
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any top 5 hadda include Leonson Lewis...
TnT has not had a striker like that since...That man was bad and under-rated. Speed, skill, technique and could score bucket loads. When Leo converted from a left winger to a center forward he was deadly and did things not even Yorkie or Stern ever did for TnT....He made otheres around him look great because the defense couldn't res' when he was on de field.
Leo and any other 4.
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A lot of guys talk about Dwight and these guys as good forwards, and they might be, however, I think that their was more opportunity for them than there were for many players that were better than they were. Having seen and played with or against players like Steve David, Denzil white, Eric White Lybert Duncan, Mikey "pigshit" (sorry I cannot remember his correct name), Ron Laforest, Leroy Spann, Garth Pollonais, Renwrick Jones, Sammy to name few - it is hard to accept Dwight and others as the best we have produced.
NC,you know some real ball players it look as though you from the west base on your comments by the way how come you eh mention nigel clarke. i grew up playing with these guys you have mention before duncan i played with, robert elliot i played with, also peru and a few others but duncan was a very aggressive striker but lack the knowledge which kept him back big time. these are players i know personaly we all started playing around the same time frame therefore i know of some of their weakness. good comments though keep it up man nice to know you eh forget these guys.
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Carlton Franco, Dilbert Charlo, Nunes, Son Baptiste is real players yes
Nigel Clark Peru and White were a special generation
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De next five.
De late great Russel Teshiera
Stern
Gally.
De Tank
Alvin Corneal
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Ian will always be d deadliest
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In reply to NC
I used to play midfield. I was nowhere near dem fellas class but ah was capable enough. It was difficult to mark dem fellas one on one so basically what we would is try and deny dem space. Denzil was very sharp...i.e. explosive over a short distance but if you could deny him space, you could somewhat limit his effectiveness.
This is why I say Alan "Peru" Anderson was my personal nemesis. He make me realise jes how much of a shithong I really was. Ah knew all de time ah was a shithong....jes didn't know de extent until "Peru" show meh...every single time ah play against he.
"Peru" was definitely de toughest player I ever play against. He was like a ghost sometimes....one minute he dey in front a yuh....nex...he gone. Dat man coulda play witout de ball. And nuff skills to boot. I have nuff respeck fuh Peru.
Palos:
Yuh ever play against Derek Lewis from Diego Sec an ah tink he play for Trinity to?
Ah find nobody mention him here an ah remember ah sweat with him an he dribble about three men an de ball eh touch de ground once.
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What I find interesting is, the topic here was/is TnT Greatest Players. With the exception of a select few, isn't it ALARMING that the topic has been centered on players who distinguished themselves in the "Colleges League"? Isn't it a shame that we haven't spoken more of players who gained noteriety in the TTFA/TTFF sanctioned leagues and for the national teams? Yuh see, dat is why to this day, we cyah qualify for ah world cup. Because beyond de colleges league, collectively, we football... ah doh want to vent condemnation.
Other than the colleges league, we can only talk of a handful of player, Dwight, Russel etc, who has done something beyond high school. I remember Earl "Spiderman" Carter had a stint with the Cosmos. Other than that, I am at a loss.
Any comments???
I'll try and seee if i can juggle my menory here,Lincoln phillips,Victor Gamaldo,Gerry Brown.Leroy Deleon,Everad Cummings,Weren Archibald,Richard Chinapoo,Raymond Moraldo,Ian Bain,Alvin Henderson,Steve David etc there are lots more that i can't remember at the moment,the major league they played in was the North American Soccer League,this league introduced Football to America so a lot of the best players in the world though some semi retired played there,we even had a couple guys that played in Canada Cecil Alfred comes to mind Santa Cruz boy.
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I FEEL LERIC ''LOBO'' JOSEPH IS ONE OF DE BEST. I HAD DE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE WATCHED HIM PLAY FUH ASL SPORTS WHEN I WAS YOUNG AND THEN TRAIN AND PLAY WITH HIM IN THE TWILIGHT OF HIS CAREER AT ST FRANCOIS NATIONALS. THAT WAS HIS LAST SEASON OF SENIOR ASSOCIATION FOOTBALL. HE USE TO DO SOME OF THE MOST OUTRAGEOUS THINGS WITH A BALL I HAVE EVER SEEN.
HE WAS ALSO A VERY GOOD COACH IN ALL ASPECTS OF THE GAME FROM TECHNIQUE TO TACTICS AND DISCIPLINE. A VERY BIG TALENT INDEED WHO SHOULD HAVE GONE A LOT FURTHER BUT THEN AGAIN
HE WAS AH RASTAMAN BACK IN DE DAY SO I GUESS THERE WAS A LOT AH FIGHT DOWN BACK THEN.
TALLMAN WHAT WAS HIS INTERNATIONAL CAREER LIKE FOR T&T?
JAH BLESS RASTAFARI
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TALLMAN WHAT WAS HIS INTERNATIONAL CAREER LIKE FOR T&T?
As far as I know, Lobo never played for T&T at de senior level.
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TALLMAN WHAT WAS HIS INTERNATIONAL CAREER LIKE FOR T&T?
As far as I know, Lobo never played for T&T at de senior level.
I think Lobo was from one of the small islands
A lot of guys talk about Dwight and these guys as good forwards, and they might be, however, I think that their was more opportunity for them than there were for many players that were better than they were. Having seen and played with or against players like Steve David, Denzil white, Eric White Lybert Duncan, Mikey "pigshit" (sorry I cannot remember his correct name), Ron Laforest, Leroy Spann, Garth Pollonais, Renwrick Jones, Sammy to name few - it is hard to accept Dwight and others as the best we have produced.
NC,you know some real ball players it look as though you from the west base on your comments by the way how come you eh mention nigel clarke. i grew up playing with these guys you have mention before duncan i played with, robert elliot i played with, also peru and a few others but duncan was a very aggressive striker but lack the knowledge which kept him back big time. these are players i know personaly we all started playing around the same time frame therefore i know of some of their weakness. good comments though keep it up man nice to know you eh forget these guys.
Where you on the 1976 National Youth team. Dubisson, Elliott, Clarke, Bovell, White, Skinner etc.
That was a good youth team but those players did not really represent T&T at a senior level.
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Palos:
Yuh ever play against Derek Lewis from Diego Sec an ah tink he play for Trinity to?
Ah find nobody mention him here an ah remember ah sweat with him an he dribble about three men an de ball eh touch de ground once.
Yeah..I played against Derek when he Chinas and Grosvenor was runnin tings in Colleges League for Trinity. Derek was simply BAD!! He shoulda play a lot more times for T&T than he did. Chinnas was de star dem times....goalie used to tremble when he shape up to shoot. He and Derek was real tight. Both a dem went LIU where if I not mistaken, led them to a title. While Chinnas went on to rep T&T several times, Derek never got called too often which was a pity. He was VERY GOOD. Think he had a lil stint with Chinnas in indoor leagues too but I eh sure bout dat.
One time on Cuevas (fuh anybody who does play ball in T&T..yuh know dat is de STRIP!!) we playin 5 a side and bounce up Derek and he crew. De ting dat impress me most bout Derek then was how strong on the ball he was....and he wasn't a big fella but yuh couldn't get the ball off him fuh nutting.
Wit respeck to Robert "Zuzi" Elliot...he was de biggest star in de Petit Valley League wit Simeon Road Ball Players. A real legend dey. Had big sides like Juba Youths (which was really de Army), Lion of Judah & of course Cocorite Utd etc. Real players pass through dey..Leonson Lewis...all de Army team....Latas, Juggie (he from up Morne Coco by de field), Mutty Haynes, Eric White, Denzil White etc. Dah League was wicked....big field....7 a side...no offside and a goalie.
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Among those who follow the sport, there is general agreement about the two best football players the Caribbean has ever produced. Nonetheless it is nice to see some men heaping praise on past T&T ballers. Even if some of the praise is self serving, it is still somewhat educational for some of us (myself included) who might not have heard of some of the names. In any case can one really say that the players --- who did not play with or against the recognized stars in international football --- are really among the best players of T&T. Statistically it is highly probable that the unknown players mentions ( ) are on the same level as ordinary players on the present team, players such as Andrews, Edwards, Theobold, etc.
A past discussion on thereggaeboyz.com forum focused only on Yorke and John Barnes as the possible two best players the caribbean has ever produced. Given his enormous accomplishments Yorke is clearly the best player the Caribbean has ever produced. Someone mentioned the ManU team played a role etc. Look when one is chosen by the leading group of physicist to be a part of a team that would do something special (build an atomic bomb for example), then those who could not make similar teams are really not in the same league.
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hands down we greatest baller is Yorke.
me eh want to hear about opportunity.
I guess somewhere in South Africa dey have ah black man who coulda be de best ever in fielding, bowling, batting or whatever..but poor soul..he eh get ah chance.
As for Barnes...he is ah Englishman and doh count..regardless wey he born...since he only play fuh Hengland leave eee dey!
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If you had to compile a list of the top three TT football players of all time, who would you put on that list?
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Ian Clauzel, Brian Williams and Russell Latapy
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Ian Clauzel, Brian Williams and Russell Latapy
I have to say Yorke mostly becuase of his record
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Sterling "Bound Tuh Score" Parris, one of de bess players trinidad ever produce but neva get select on the national team bc he was from south, diz meh family, he always tell meh he didnt have a god father dem times, so he couldnt get on de team, bess local player in he days :beermug:
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yorke latas and stern
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Sterling "Bound Tuh Score" Parris, one of de bess players trinidad ever produce but neva get select on the national team bc he was from south, diz meh family, he always tell meh he didnt have a god father dem times, so he couldnt get on de team, bess local player in he days :beermug:
Boss yuh call a hell of a player dey. I had the pleasure of playing with Sterling and for Sterling. he had a bad broken leg in his day but made a successful comeback. Sadly it was a different time in T&T Football. All said an excellent footballer and gentleman
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Ian Clauzel, Brian Williams and Russell Latapy
You, like you like dreads......
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Sterling "Bound Tuh Score" Parris, one of de bess players trinidad ever produce but neva get select on the national team bc he was from south, diz meh family, he always tell meh he didnt have a god father dem times, so he couldnt get on de team, bess local player in he days :beermug:
Boss yuh call a hell of a player dey. I had the pleasure of playing with Sterling and for Sterling. he had a bad broken leg in his day but made a successful comeback. Sadly it was a different time in T&T Football. All said an excellent footballer and gentleman
Ah had a few memorable moments with Mr Parris in DC about 15 years or so ago. His son Joel is a ex-Benedict's man. He came to the park to watch a game, and ended up on the sideline taking over the coaching duties. Very personable and passionate gentleman.
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joel is in the us navy i believe, las time i was by uncle sterling house in trinidad, he tell meh joel he was in de navy or army in the US, i think this will b one of my future interviews, he indeed was a great player in the south, it was terrible to see him notget selected for the national team, when at a time he was one of the bess player locally, if not de bess :beermug:
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joel is in the us navy i believe, las time i was by uncle sterling house in trinidad, he tell meh joel he was in de navy or army in the US, i think this will b one of my future interviews, he indeed was a great player in the south, it was terrible to see him notget selected for the national team, when at a time he was one of the bess player locally, if not de bess :beermug:
Waw ...and that makes him among the greatest football players of all time ??? ???
Maybe i read the thread wrong or maybe we should start another for the best footballers never to play for T&T ...and that list would be long
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Ian Clauzel, Brian Williams and Russell Latapy
You, like you like dreads......
ah eh even realize is all dread ah call.......
Yorke may be TnT's most successful fottballer but i don't think as a forward he could ever be as good as Clauzel was..
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Ian Clauzel, Brian Williams and Russell Latapy
You, like you like dreads......
ah eh even realize is all dread ah call.......
Yorke may be TnT's most successful fottballer but i don't think as a forward he could ever be as good as Clauzel was..
You judging a man who play against the greatest teams in World football against an Intercol player. Allyuh is pure genius yes.
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Ian Clauzel, Brian Williams and Russell Latapy
You, like you like dreads......
I doh knoiw why you even bother to respond to that comment. The thread shouda end wid dat clausel line. i wonder if that man knew Clausel was picked for T&T and didn´t make the grade ??
ah eh even realize is all dread ah call.......
Yorke may be TnT's most successful fottballer but i don't think as a forward he could ever be as good as Clauzel was..
You judging a man who play against the greatest teams in World football against an Intercol player. Allyuh is pure genius yes.
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You're right I am being judgemental but my opinion is after all my opinion....Yorke at 18 wasn't no Clauzel.
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Dwight Yorke
Men getting tie-up with greatness and success.
Yuh have to be successfu in order to be great. Â Nobody else eh do what Dwight do.
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Cyar pick 1 or 3 man nah. As football is ah team game...One ah the best stoppers ah see, was Sedley, but without Tank he wasn't all that. One ah the best forwards ah see was Archi, buh there were games ah see him play, yuh wouldna know is he on the field. not that he play bad, he jus didn't make nuthen happen for he team...(edit: ah only see him 3 times eh....once as ah oleman ;D)
Ah guess what ah trying to say is, best players depend on who they playing with, as football is ah team game..
It have men who stand out as the best on the field, but the team still get cutass from man an team who not looking no how..so who really better...now entertainment, that is another story...like even if yuh pick say, we top scorer today - Stern, and man cyar get the ball to him or stop the other team....how good you would get to see him, if he only get 3 chance and score 2...Can you say he is the best based on 1 or 2 games or will you judge over a number of defense and corresponding teammates....if yuh then pick yuh best team, yuh might just have to leave out some best players for the position...ppl jus like to compare bout wha better, who smarter, who faster...is ah ppl ting...ok.I not from space...competition good..buh for football,as ah coach, might be best yuh pick ah 22, 2 for every position, and then it have in form and out...prime and overthehill... ah will say one ting, if some of dem fellas had the oppurtunities and training techniques of today...hmmmnn....but woulda be able to make the decisions necessary to be dey best...i.e. leave the other distractions (drugs, more woman, more drink, relatively more social issues etc..)...we will never know..
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You're right I am being judgemental but my opinion is after all my opinion....Yorke at 18 wasn't no Clauzel.
Boss at 18 Yorke was already playing for T&T World Cup squad. Yorke had many qualities that Ian did not possess. Ian could dribble but his overall game left a lot to be desired. Dwight at 18 could not only beat his man with dribbling, but his vision and passing were already quality. His shooting ability was good and he was deadly in the air. All these qualities he demonstrated at the Intercol level and then at the National senior team level.
When ian came to the National youth team in 77 or 78 (not sure of the date), he was not even better than Peru, Skinner, White or Bovell, they were more well rounded
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Sterling "Bound Tuh Score" Parris, one of de bess players trinidad ever produce but neva get select on the national team bc he was from south, diz meh family, he always tell meh he didnt have a god father dem times, so he couldnt get on de team, bess local player in he days :beermug:
Sterling boy! he coach me wen i was little youth and used to come in Pres and help out the sides. Used to talk to me bout my grandfather and ting..real cool fella...always wud hail out my family anytime anywhere.
Ent he had coach a girls team in de US as well?
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Sterling "Bound Tuh Score" Parris, one of de bess players trinidad ever produce but neva get select on the national team bc he was from south, diz meh family, he always tell meh he didnt have a god father dem times, so he couldnt get on de team, bess local player in he days :beermug:
Sterling boy! he coach me wen i was little youth and used to come in Pres and help out the sides. Used to talk to me bout my grandfather and ting..real cool fella...always wud hail out my family anytime anywhere.
Ent he had coach a girls team in de US as well?
watch nah you was in Rolph Radhay (spelling) times. Ah sure Tallman was!
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:rotfl: :rotfl:yeah i was there at the end of rolph times in pres... man make me do nuff laps wen cant answer he questions in class
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Too much ah goatmen on de board posting too much ah shit!
at 18 yorke was on de way to becoming a premiership player (1st division in those days).
How de hell clauzel? steups!!
anyway, everyone is entitled to their opinion!
my picks are yorke, stern and latas. these 3 players are at the top of the list.
Yorke - Top scorer in the champoins league and in the english prem
Stern - Top ten international goal scorer of all time. scored 55 goals in 67 mls games.
Latapy - One of the greatest midfielders in world football in his hey day!!
ah love them!!
pores raising....we going and give trouble in the world cup!!
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LATAPY
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Ian Clauzel, Brian Williams and Russell Latapy
You, like you like dreads......
Brian Williams.... NAH!!!!
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Latapy
Latapy
Latapy
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Yorke, Latapy and Stern. All dem other names all yuh calling, could come after dem 3 BAD BOYS.
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Latapy , Yorke and Cummings.
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Latapy , Yorke and Cummings.
Yeah boy Gabre was real descent for Saints in de late 80s, early 90s
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Latas, Stern and currently dennis lawrence...if beenie waz ah playa he woulda be dere too......Yorke not dere because he dissapointed me in the past[not recently]
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Dwight Yorke
Leroy De Leon/ Steve David
Russell Latapy
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Did Ian Clauzel ever play for T&T ?
Eric White ? how come we never hear about him ? I've heard about Ian.
The fact that you never heard of him might be an indication of how limited our knowledge base is? Ask Niza, Stewart Charles, Rona La etc or mostl the top defenders/players om that era about him. He was Mucurapo top forward, Modnicks in the pro-League, cocorite United, Ball Giants in the West (Petit Valley, Infirmaty) and also played in the National team, just to name a few.
Well I follow TT football and only heard of him on this site. But partly because I was too young to follow CFL around 77 and also because I could not remember every club name from the late 70/early 80s.
Are you saying he played for the TT sr. team? When would this have been?