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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Irishman Don on July 19, 2005, 06:39:43 AM
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I am looking for any information, especially a match report, from a game played between the Republic of Ireland and Trinidad and Tobago on 30 May 1982 at the Armira Stadium in Port of Spain. Can anyone help me? I have the Irish team and scorers but I do not have anything on T&T, except that they won 2-1. Any help would be great as I need this information for a book which I ma writing. I might as well chance my arm and ask if anyone had any photographs or a programme from this match whichI could use in the book. All the best, Donal Cullen dndcullens@yahoo.ca
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That was a good year for T&T....
10/03/1985 Canada 1 v 2 Trinidad/Tobago Fr.
11/11/1984 Mexico 0 v 2 Trinidad/Tobago Fr.
16/11/1983 Sweden 0 v 5 Trinidad/Tobago Fr.
30/05/1982 Ireland 1 v 2 Trinidad/Tobago Fr.
21/03/1982 USA 1 v 2 Trinidad/Tobago Fr.
I cant remember the goal scorers though, sorry.
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What sport was that.
Rubgy
I cant believe we buss up them big teams so :)
Tallman will find the stats have no fear
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Football:
http://www.socawarriors.net/games_since_1935.htm
Wait nah, ah think ah have them scores mix up we... :D like is de odda way around..
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Yes Sam,
those scores are the other way around.
I clearly remember the Swed and Mex. games.
TT was playing with a basci second Eleven as certain players were persona non grata with Jack.
marcelle made his debut in the Sweden game.
A Mucurapo Jr. Sec. Keeper (Ali??) made his debut vs. Mex.
VB
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Jesus Lord, some of you guys real OLD. ;D
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A Mucurapo Jr. Sec. Keeper (Ali??) made his debut vs. Mex.
VB
JUNIOR SEC!!!! wayyyyssss sahhh!!
was ah u-14 game or wha VB?
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That was a good year for T&T....
10/03/1985 Canada 1 v 2 Trinidad/Tobago Fr.
11/11/1984 Mexico 0 v 2 Trinidad/Tobago Fr.
16/11/1983 Sweden 0 v 5 Trinidad/Tobago Fr.
30/05/1982 Ireland 1 v 2 Trinidad/Tobago Fr.
21/03/1982 USA 1 v 2 Trinidad/Tobago Fr.
I cant remember the goal scorers though, sorry.
You and KND liming strong now and sharing that same bad weed Sam?
U sure we didnt qualify for the world cup in mexico in 86?
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LOL trini ! Alyuh go kill ah man .
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A Mucurapo Jr. Sec. Keeper (Ali??) made his debut vs. Mex.
VB
JUNIOR SEC!!!! wayyyyssss sahhh!!
was ah u-14 game or wha VB?
Pardon me...it was obviously Sr. Sec. the guy was about 17 years of age.
A Rasta by the name of Rickey Sheppard made his debut in that game as well.
The game was largely dominated by Mex. But as I said we were playhing with very understrenghthed teams.
VB
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Pardon me...it was obviously Sr. Sec. the guy was about 17 years of age.
A Rasta by the name of Rickey Sheppard made his debut in that game as well.
The game was largely dominated by Mex. But as I said we were playhing with very understrenghthed teams.
VB
That was Richey.
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I am looking for any information, especially a match report, from a game played between the Republic of Ireland and Trinidad and Tobago on 30 May 1982 at the Armira Stadium in Port of Spain. Can anyone help me? I have the Irish team and scorers but I do not have anything on T&T, except that they won 2-1. Any help would be great as I need this information for a book which I ma writing. I might as well chance my arm and ask if anyone had any photographs or a programme from this match whichI could use in the book. All the best, Donal Cullen dndcullens@yahoo.ca
Regardng Ireland's tour of TT that year.
The actually played two games. One vs. ASL, the Club Champs and the other vs. TT.
Irle. lost to ASL 3-1 (I'm almost positive it was 3-1, but they def. lost.)....the game vs. the national side was so low key that there ws no result posted in the Press or TV.....I guess after losing to ASL, no one really took them seriously....Bear in mind that in 82, 83 alot of teams were touring TT...so after losing the first game...the Ir. team lost their appeal in TT.
Peace,
VB
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That was Richey.
Obviously Doc is older than me.. ;D
VB
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aye alyuh dem days I was still watching flintstones an ting. :D
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Obviously Doc is older than me.. ;D
VB
Right you are! :D
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Thank you all for your replies. Just to clarify matters. The Republic of Ireland DID lose 2 - 1 to Trinidad and Tabago but they beat the ASL 3 -1 the following day. Ireland toured with a third string team but the Irish goalscorer against T&T was none other then Liam Brady who was playing in Italy at the time. The T&T match was the third of a tour in which we lost 0-1 to Chile and 0-7 to Brazil. The tour was not given much coverage in Ireland but the result from Port of Spain made biggish headlines. In the book I am writing I am missing only the details from the T&T match and one other. I have been trying for ages to get some info but nothing so far. Your comments have been most interesting and I thank you all.
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Irishman Don,
sorry I couldn't provide more info for you.
Yes I seem to remember that 7-0 thrashing.
Now Doc and others I need someone to confirm this for me...I really don't think Irl. beat ASL 3-1...I believe it was the other way around.
Can anyone else give some input? ....Doc...Palos??
Peace,
VB
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The details I have on the ASL match are that Ireland won 3-1 but they admittidely are sketchy. The Irish goalscorers are given as Sean O'Driscoll (who was for a long time manager of Bury), Kevin O'Callaghan (who starred in the film "Escape to Victory") and Gerry Ryan (who was f**kin' useless) but they might have got this wrong too!!! The Trinidad match still bugs me. I had thought of flying down to Port of Spain and looking up the newspapers of the time but I can see by the reply's that the game was not covered that well. Anyway, the trip would be a waste of time as I would have to explain to everyone I meet that I do not like cricket as it is boring. I worked with a few lads from the islands up here in Canada and whereas we could all agree that Dwight Yorke and Stern John were good players they refused to accept that cricket is the most boring game imaginable. All right it might be fun on the islands but in Britain it is total crap. Sorry I got off the point there but as far as I know Ireland lost to Trinidad and in the book I am writing it seem sthat all I can do is bluff my way through the report. You guys BEAT the Republic of Ireland and it has to rank as one of your greatest results but nothing is known about the match!!! Holy man! I guess it will just have to be our little secret. ;D ;)
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Contact TTFF, they might be able to giyou some guidance ;D
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the URL for the site may be of help:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/irelandfootball/story/0,11021,586469,00.html
This site list all the matches of Northern Ireland:
http://www.rsssf.com/tablesn/nil-intres.html
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the URL for the site may be of help:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/irelandfootball/story/0,11021,586469,00.html
This site list all the matches of Northern Ireland:
http://www.rsssf.com/tablesn/nil-intres.html
Sorry to disappoint yah Alberta...but N.Ireland and the Rep of Ireland are two different countries when it comes to football. He wants to know about the Rep (EIRE) not Northern Ireland
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You guys BEAT the Republic of Ireland and it has to rank as one of your greatest results but nothing is known about the match!!! Holy man! I guess it will just have to be our little secret. ;D ;)
one of our greatest results....not too sure abt. that.
Remember in that year, Ireland was getting beaten by a lot of folks. It seemed to be a weak team. Therefore, beating them was expected. And losing to them would have been indicative of how terrible we were.
We have beaten the likes of Mex and colombia. And drew with S. Korea in Seoul. So beating a reasonable weak Irish team may not have raised too much eyebrows. It's simply indicative of how weak the Irish were at that time.
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You guys BEAT the Republic of Ireland and it has to rank as one of your greatest results but nothing is known about the match!!! Holy man! I guess it will just have to be our little secret. ;D ;)
one of our greatest results....not too sure abt. that.
Remember in that year, Ireland was getting beaten by a lot of folks. It seemed to be a weak team. Therefore, beating them was expected. And losing to them would have been indicative of how terrible we were.
We have beaten the likes of Mex and colombia. And drew with S. Korea in Seoul. So beating a reasonable weak Irish team may not have raised too much eyebrows. It's simply indicative of how weak the Irish were at that time.
Have to agree with yuh there vb, ah don't recall much about that game but I do remember there was not a lot of coverage about the game in the press even after the win as most people thought that particular Irish team was EXTREMELY weak. The only other thing I can recall about it was my Dad thinking of going as there were rumours of Laim Brady and Frank Stapleton playing, he asked the Parish priest (who was from Eire) what he thought...who told him not to bother, Ireland were useless and wouldn't take the game seriously anyway!! So he didn't go but took me to see us play Sweden when we loss 5-0 (Good call Dad! ;D)
on that ASL result, check this link read the top of pg 7
http://www.tnt.fifa.com/files%2Ftto%2F79.pdf
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Got the results on this site but no comments on the game:
http://www.staff.city.ac.uk/r.j.gerrard/football/aifrform.html
http://www.staff.city.ac.uk/r.j.gerrard/cgi-bin/rdifarch_21.pl?SECONDARY=any&PRIMARY=irl&FROMYEAR=1980&TOYEAR=1985&COMP=0&OPPSORT=on&TABULAR=0&DATAVER=10.0
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The Irish team that toured South America and T&T in 1982 was, admittedly, weak but the Irish team had just come off World Cup qualifying which included France, Belgium and Holland and had nearly got to Spain. By the time the team arrived in Trinidad they were totally fed up but still had enough good players to make the defeat a big upset. We would have had a better team but the Falklands War was going on and most of the players in England did not want to travel as the tour origionally involved a game in Argentina. So we patched up a squad and went on holidays. The sequence of results coming into the tour was a draw with Holland in Holland and beating France at home. We then lost 2-0 to an Algerian side which was on it's way to Spain to beat West Germany. Sooooooooooo...........we were not as bad as some people like to make out. But T&T were better on the day.
Okay to put it in a different context. Trinidad and Tabago are one of the few sides in the World that hold a 100% record against the Republic of Ireland. We have beaten nearly everybody except Argentina and T&T so I guess you lot are as good as Argentina in Irish eyes!!!! :o
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I'm guessing nothing has changed in three years and there are still no scorers or minutes available?
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Contact players from that game.
Some of the players from that game, heavilly involved in Coaching now, are Brian Willimas (Petrotrin),
Ron La Forest (Ma Pau????)
Others who could be easilly found, Clayton Morris, John Granville (in England), Leroy Spann. The ASL manager, Arthur Suite.
VB
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Yes Sam,
those scores are the other way around.
I clearly remember the Swed and Mex. games.
TT was playing with a basci second Eleven as certain players were persona non grata with Jack.
marcelle made his debut in the Sweden game.
A Mucurapo Jr. Sec. Keeper (Ali??) made his debut vs. Mex.
VB
Was you joking vb? Or was Jack playing his games 26 years ago?
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No, not joking at all. That shit went on for about three years, as the better players played in Arthur Suite's league.
I think Jack and Suite finally solved the problem about late 88 to salvage TT for the WC qualifiers.
To make matter worse, when we tried to qualify for the 86 WC, Jack sold our home games so we had to play the opponents twice in THEIR backyard. I think we lost to the US twice in the US, very close games. So Ron La Fores, Leroy Spann and others real get screwed.
It's becz most players were persona non grata that Alli and Sheppard made their debut vs. Mex.
I'm not sure if the Sweden game was a Second 11, because Clint Marcelle made his international debut in that game.
I will tell you that Suite's league had FAR greater appeal than the TTFA league. All the local stars and Refs were paid on time etc. ASL was the Manu U of my era. Only Defence Force could give them a good run. Not that there weren't other good teams around but the League and FA were usually between DF and ASL.
I am sure Coops could give you more info on that :-)
VB
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Yes Sam,
those scores are the other way around.
I clearly remember the Swed and Mex. games.
TT was playing with a basci second Eleven as certain players were persona non grata with Jack.
marcelle made his debut in the Sweden game.
A Mucurapo Jr. Sec. Keeper (Ali??) made his debut vs. Mex.
VB
Was you joking vb? Or was Jack playing his games 26 years ago?
have you read the "The Cancer that is Jack Warner Thread (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=24764.msg271021#msg271021)" KSM?
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Contact players from that game.
Some of the players from that game, heavilly involved in Coaching now, are Brian Willimas (Petrotrin),
Ron La Forest (Ma Pau????)
Others who could be easilly found, Clayton Morris, John Granville (in England), Leroy Spann. The ASL manager, Arthur Suite.
VB
I live in Chicago and have never been to TnT, do you know a good way to contact these guys by phone or internet or letter?
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Cal the TTFF.
Ask for the Press Officer's phone number. He is Sean Fuentes.
Let him know what it is you are looiking for. I have done so in the past and he was quite decent.
I believe La Forest is coaching Mau Pau and Williams Petrotrin.
Feel free to google them as well. Petrotrin is a big oil Co. so a phone number for them should be no issue.
VB
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Cal the TTFF.
Ask for the Press Officer's phone number. He is Sean Fuentes.
Let him know what it is you are looiking for. I have done so in the past and he was quite decent.
I believe La Forest is coaching Mau Pau and Williams Petrotrin.
Feel free to google them as well. Petrotrin is a big oil Co. so a phone number for them should be no issue.
VB
Dont waste your time calling Shaun Fuentes, save your phone card, is either he dont know or he cannot give out information.... he does act funny.....
Yes La Forest at Ma Pau...
http://www.socawarriors.net/pro_league_standings.htm
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Alright guys, time for the three year bump and an update.
Following the last bump in 2008 I got sidetracked (thats when I started my site) and wasn't able to complete this research. I recently picked it up again though. I tracked down Veron Skinner, Keith Eddy, and Frank Haynes' email addresses (they all played in matches the year before this one) and emailed them all, but haven't heard back (also these guys may not have played as, as was mentioned earlier, it was apparently a B team in this games). I contacted SW member dervaig who seemed to know Garnet Craig, but I haven't heard from him either. I looked up Brian Williams, Ron La Forest, Clayton Morris, Leroy Spann, and John Granville but wasn't able to get any contact info (besides a three-year-old email for Spann which I don't think is working). Anyone have any ideas on how to contact these guys? Obviously Williams isn't at Petrotrin with them being gone and La Forest is out at Ma Pau I guess, Morris is now at T&TEC but they are new so I don't know how to contact them, and I don't know what is going on with the other two.
Any help would be much appreciated, I won't let it slip through the cracks this time :)
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Like I said I'm not going to let this slip through the cracks this time...surely someone at least knows how to get in touch with T&TEC? Maybe last time was a bad time to Bump this thread as it was just before the Bermuda match. Thanks :)
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Well I'm still not giving up but unfortunately I have run out of leads. Bakes gave me a list of contacts that helped, but it is a few years old so some of it is out of date. I got in contact with Clayton Morris about a month ago, he emailed me back confirming that he did play in this match, but did not respond to the follow up email regarding any other players who might've played. Tallman was nice enough to contact Brian Williams on my behalf, but unfortunately he does not remember this match. I emailed my source at CONCACAF who I often get match data from for my website, but I don't think he has any information. I have also tried to get in touch with John Granville by emailing some of the clubs he used to work at, but unfortunately none responded to me. So from here on all I have left to go on is hopefully getting in contact with John Granville, Ron La Forest, or Leroy Spann, and I don't think the latter two are working with any clubs at the moment who could help me. Shaun Fuentes maybe could help but I don't know how to get in contact with him either. I do have some phone numbers but I can't really call as its very long distance.
Anyway this is the last time I will bump this thread unless I get new information...otherwise I will just leave the note in my signature and hope someone who has some info on this match sees it.
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Hard luck with the effort... yuh better sign up to VIP to call long distance and save yuh tips yes Worm, lol
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Well I'm still not giving up but unfortunately I have run out of leads. Bakes gave me a list of contacts that helped, but it is a few years old so some of it is out of date. I got in contact with Clayton Morris about a month ago, he emailed me back confirming that he did play in this match, but did not respond to the follow up email regarding any other players who might've played. Tallman was nice enough to contact Brian Williams on my behalf, but unfortunately he does not remember this match. I emailed my source at CONCACAF who I often get match data from for my website, but I don't think he has any information. I have also tried to get in touch with John Granville by emailing some of the clubs he used to work at, but unfortunately none responded to me. So from here on all I have left to go on is hopefully getting in contact with John Granville, Ron La Forest, or Leroy Spann, and I don't think the latter two are working with any clubs at the moment who could help me. Shaun Fuentes maybe could help but I don't know how to get in contact with him either. I do have some phone numbers but I can't really call as its very long distance.
Anyway this is the last time I will bump this thread unless I get new information...otherwise I will just leave the note in my signature and hope someone who has some info on this match sees it.
Michael Maurice may have been the second string keeper in those days. Ask him if you can find him, he's on the local scene.
If I'm not wrong Peter Granville from Tobago is related to J. Granville. Try the Tobago FA. Perhaps Doc can lend a hand there.
The W Connection Coach, Stuart Charles Fervier also played for ASL at this time. He should be close to Spann as they were ASL team mates and Spann has worked for W Conn.
VB
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Hard luck with the effort... yuh better sign up to VIP to call long distance and save yuh tips yes Worm, lol
Thanks, I actually quit working in the restaurant a few months ago though so no more tips. Today was my first day of my fourth December at UPS, was an 11 hour day between orientation and actually delivering (I got a special exception to go straight from orientation because of my good history), but I'm hoping to put aside enough to go to Euro 2012 (its a longshot) so its OK.
Michael Maurice may have been the second string keeper in those days. Ask him if you can find him, he's on the local scene.
If I'm not wrong Peter Granville from Tobago is related to J. Granville. Try the Tobago FA. Perhaps Doc can lend a hand there.
The W Connection Coach, Stuart Charles Fervier also played for ASL at this time. He should be close to Spann as they were ASL team mates and Spann has worked for W Conn.
VB
Thanks a lot, I will check these out. I have Muhammad Isa's email and he works with Maurice at Police FC so I hope he will help. I also have Peter Granville and Fervier's emails so I will try them as well, though only Clayton Morris has responded at all out of the 6-7 players I have emailed (no surprise I guess). I emailed Fuentes early this morning but no word from him yet.
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Hard luck with the effort... yuh better sign up to VIP to call long distance and save yuh tips yes Worm, lol
Thanks, I actually quit working in the restaurant a few months ago though so no more tips. Today was my first day of my fourth December at UPS, was an 11 hour day between orientation and actually delivering (I got a special exception to go straight from orientation because of my good history), but I'm hoping to put aside enough to go to Euro 2012 (its a longshot) so its OK.
Michael Maurice may have been the second string keeper in those days. Ask him if you can find him, he's on the local scene.
If I'm not wrong Peter Granville from Tobago is related to J. Granville. Try the Tobago FA. Perhaps Doc can lend a hand there.
The W Connection Coach, Stuart Charles Fervier also played for ASL at this time. He should be close to Spann as they were ASL team mates and Spann has worked for W Conn.
VB
Thanks a lot, I will check these out. I have Muhammad Isa's email and he works with Maurice at Police FC so I hope he will help. I also have Peter Granville and Fervier's emails so I will try them as well, though only Clayton Morris has responded at all out of the 6-7 players I have emailed (no surprise I guess). I emailed Fuentes early this morning but no word from him yet.
Try actually calling Sean (use Skype) as I said before, I called him a few years ago to get some numbers for an interview and he was quite gracious. Also for Spann, in addition to Fervier, trying getting a phone number for W. Conn and the Southern Football Association.
VB
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Hard luck with the effort... yuh better sign up to VIP to call long distance and save yuh tips yes Worm, lol
Thanks, I actually quit working in the restaurant a few months ago though so no more tips. Today was my first day of my fourth December at UPS, was an 11 hour day between orientation and actually delivering (I got a special exception to go straight from orientation because of my good history), but I'm hoping to put aside enough to go to Euro 2012 (its a longshot) so its OK.
Michael Maurice may have been the second string keeper in those days. Ask him if you can find him, he's on the local scene.
If I'm not wrong Peter Granville from Tobago is related to J. Granville. Try the Tobago FA. Perhaps Doc can lend a hand there.
The W Connection Coach, Stuart Charles Fervier also played for ASL at this time. He should be close to Spann as they were ASL team mates and Spann has worked for W Conn.
VB
Thanks a lot, I will check these out. I have Muhammad Isa's email and he works with Maurice at Police FC so I hope he will help. I also have Peter Granville and Fervier's emails so I will try them as well, though only Clayton Morris has responded at all out of the 6-7 players I have emailed (no surprise I guess). I emailed Fuentes early this morning but no word from him yet.
Try actually calling Sean (use Skype) as I said before, I called him a few years ago to get some numbers for an interview and he was quite gracious. Also for Spann, in addition to Fervier, trying getting a phone number for W. Conn and the Southern Football Association.
VB
W CONN.
Phone +1 (868) 679 4721
Fax +1 (868) 679 4726
E-mail wcfcstaff@wconnectionsportsgroup.com
SFA
Phone: (868) 652-1172
Fax. (868) 652-1172
E-mail: sfa1994@yahoo.com
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Try actually calling Sean (use Skype) as I said before, I called him a few years ago to get some numbers for an interview and he was quite gracious. Also for Spann, in addition to Fervier, trying getting a phone number for W. Conn and the Southern Football Association.
VB
Thanks, he actually just emailed me back and said he would look in to it and try to dig up some info, so I'm hoping he will turn something up. Thanks for those contacts as well, I will try those addresses soon.
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Yes Sam,
those scores are the other way around.
I clearly remember the Swed and Mex. games.
TT was playing with a basci second Eleven as certain players were persona non grata with Jack.
marcelle made his debut in the Sweden game.
A Mucurapo Jr. Sec. Keeper (Ali??) made his debut vs. Mex.
VB
Was you joking vb? Or was Jack playing his games 26 years ago?
All players involved in the Premier League were banned from the National Team. Believe me, I know. It was a dark time in our football & it looks as though the eclipse has returned.
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All players involved in the Premier League were banned from the National Team. Believe me, I know. It was a dark time in our football & it looks as though the eclipse has returned.
Do you have any guesses for players who might have played in this match?
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Now that I think about it, the ban came after 1982. If I am not mistaken the ban came later, maybe 1984-85. The qualifications for 86WC were sold. Two games in Costa Rica & Two in the USA. Coops and Doc may remember more on this.
Why I say that is because Flamengo & Corinthians came in 82, it was the second season for the Premier League. Jan Zawartkrusi a Dutch man was brought in as TD, in October. Roderick Warner as coach. The T&T Squad for that year was made up of mainly the following:
Granville, Maxwell, Spann, Nelson , Alexander, Puckerin, Garcia, Williams, Rahim, De Silva, Spann, Morris, John, T. Williams, Denoon, Haynes, Alibey
All were in the Premier
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Thanks a lot Observer, I will try to get in touch with those guys,
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Well I finally got the information thanks to Stuart Charles-Fevrier (who got the info from Leroy Spann). Thanks to all who have helped me in the search, it was much appreciated. I may try to write an article on this with info from both sides, we'll see.
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Happy St. Patricks Day, everyone!!
Just got a request for information on this match in my inbox. I guess we still don't have much on it. I'll send him what I have.
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It was actually Don himself who just contacted me.
So just to summarize what we have on this.
30 May 1982
Arima, Arima Municipal Stadium, attendance approx. 6000
T&T scorers: Ralph Nelson & Frank Haynes
Rep. of Ireland scorer: Liam Brady
T&T squad: Ralph Nelson, Frank Haynes, Clayton Morris
Rep. of Ireland squad: Seamus McDonagh (Bolton Wanderers), Eamonn Deacy (Aston Villa), Mick Martin (Newcastle Utd), Mike Walsh (Everton), John Anderson (Preston North End), Gerry Daly (Coventry City), Tony Grealish (Brighton) capt, Liam Brady (Juventus), Johnny Walsh (Limerick Utd), Gerry Ryan (Brighton), Brendan O'Callaghan (Stoke City)
Subs: Mick Fairclough (Dundalk) for B O'Callaghan, Sean O'Driscoll (Fulham) for Deacy, Kevin O'Callaghan (Ipswich Town) for Ryan
Manager: Eoin Hand
Sources:
http://socawarriors.net/mens-senior-team/senior-team-news/fixtures-results.html?view=matchreport&id=146
http://www.kickinmagazine.ie/international/30582trinidad.htm
https://web.archive.org/web/20071119125938/http://www.kickinmagazine.ie/international/30582trinidad.htm
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=2546.msg784571#msg784571
There is a match report in the Irish Press newspaper of June 1, 1982 available at http://www.irishnewsarchive.com. The preview says "Irish Tour Ends In Shambles. Trinidad & Tobago 2. Ireland 1. IRELAND finished its shoddy tour of South America with another defeat—this time by Trinidad"
(http://www.irishnewsarchive.com/Repository/GetImage.dll?baseHref=IPR/1982/06/01&EntityID=Ar01802&imgExtension=png)
You have to pay to get the full story and I'm sure there are other papers there with a report.
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Thanks E-man,
I finally got back in touch with Donal about a week ago and sent him the T&T information I was missing. He said he was still interested in finding the full T&T line up but is quite busy at the moment (battling bears up in the Canadian wilderness I assume). Do you think the TTFF would even have the information in their archives? I believe the federation was still the TFA back in 1982 (not sure there) so I figure when it got rebranded (or whatever happened) it could've been lost then.
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I see VB has been looking in to some historical matches and that reminded me of this match. Unfortunately, I can't say I've done too much research in the past 7 years, but maybe I can give a little more info.
Regarding the match against ASL (apparently played at Queen's Park Oval 24 hours before the Irish team left for home), the Irish news reported 3-1 with Kevin O'Callaghan, Gerry Ryan, and Sean O'Driscoll scoring for Ireland. When I contacted Stuart Charles Fevrier and he initially gave me the goalscorers back in 2012 (I believe he checked with Leroy Spann to get the info), he had told me Ireland won this one 4-0.
I did also access the article E-man mentions in the above post a while back (I have it saved if anyone is interested). It did not provide much information at all, other than Liam Brady scored first, T&T equalised just before half time, and got the winner 15 minutes from the end.
Earlier this year, RTE ran a radio documentary on Ireland's tour to South America/T&T in 1982 and it is available here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVMX9IR9aWQ
The only thing of real substance I remember learning was that Johnny Walsh, who got his first and only cap against T&T, was given two caps by the FAI, for his matches against Trinidad and Tobago
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Soccernostalgia Question: John Walsh of Limerick made his only appearance vs. Trinidad and Tobago on May 30th, 1982 at Port of Spain (1-2 loss). What can you tell of the background to his selection?
Mr. John O’Carroll Response: Firstly the background. Having narrowly failed to qualify for the World Cup finals in Spain, as a consolation the Football Association of Ireland (FAI) organised a tour of South America at the end of May in 1982. The intention was to play four games, against Chile, Peru, Argentina and Brazil who had all qualified for the World Cup finals. An added bonus was that the game v Brazil was to be played in the Maracana Stadium. Shortly after the announcement of the tour, the Falklands War began and Argentina quickly became outcasts in the eyes of the English. This impacted on the Republic of Ireland team because with the exception of Liam Brady, all the Irish players were playing in the English League at this time. The FAI took the view that Ireland was neutral in the Falklands dispute and as such should be able to call on their English based players to tour without English interference. The Irish manager, Eoin Hand, unsuccessfully attempted to get the English clubs to release their players. The English clubs had no issue with the Republic players going on the tour provided the Republic did not play Argentina. Some in the FAI wanted the Argentina game to go ahead and even suggested calling up players from the League of Ireland (the amateur part time Irish domestic league) to make up numbers for the squad. Eventually the pressure over the Argentina game wore the FAI down and Argentina were taken off the itinerary. A game was hastily arranged v Trinidad and Tobago instead.
By the time the Argentina game was cancelled however it was just two weeks before the tour. Peru had also withdrawn from playing Ireland for unknown reasons. As a result, Arsenal and Manchester United had already embarked on post season tours and their Irish players had gone with them. In 1982 it wasn't possible to hop between destinations at short notice! Tottenham were featuring in a replayed FA Cup Final so their players - Chris Hughton and Tony Galvin - were also unavailable.
With so many players unavailable, Eoin Hand resorted to picking the best League of Ireland players and some lower league English players with Irish ancestry. Eoin was also managing Limerick United at this time and they had just won the FAI Cup (the domestic cup competition of the Republic of Ireland). John Walsh was a prominent member of the Limerick team and Eoin Hand rated him highly as Eoin was John's manager at club level. As a result, John Walsh made one appearance against Trinidad and Tobago.
The Trinidad and Tobago game has always been shrouded in controversy. Even today several players who played in this game and also the manager Eoin Hand are still adamant that this game was not a full international. No press or media were present for this game so the only information we have on the game was from the Trinidad FA. The Irish maintain that on arrival in Trinidad they played two games - one against a club side and the other v Trinidad and Tobago. The Irish say that they beat Trinidad and Tobago but lost the game to the club team and that the Trinidad and Tobago authorities switched the match results!
John Walsh was a carpet salesman in Limerick and said that when the caps for this Trinidad and Tobago game were awarded afterward, he received a cap with the number 2 on it. He maintains that the FAI thought that Trinidad and Tobago were two separate football teams and as such, one game was against Trinidad and the other was against Tobago!
Mick Fairclough of Dundalk and Sean O'Driscoll were also capped twice each on this South American tour. Neither player was capped previously or capped afterwards.
http://soccernostalgia.blogspot.com/2022/02/republic-of-ireland-jackie-chalton.html
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For those interested, I went to the Library in Washington DC to try to find information on this match -- it seems the Trinidad Guardian didn't really run any report on it. Not sure what other papers were around then, but, either way, the library here doesn't have them.
I did get some info on the match they played against the ASL side though, posted it here on a stats account I run.
https://twitter.com/StattoLOI/status/1582423723453599745