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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Flex on March 01, 2007, 06:27:50 AM
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Chivas hit back, W Connection fail to advance.
By: Joel Villafana (Rporting live from Guadalajara).
Mexican Champions Chivas rebounded in impressive fashion in the 2nd leg of the CONCACAF Champions Cup quarterfinal handing W Connection a 3-0 drubbing to progress to the semi-finals winning 4-2 on aggregate.
It was a clinical double strike by Sergio Santana that secured the victory for the Central American team, who came into the match knowing they needed to win by at least two clear goals to advance in the competition.
W Connection failed to get it right when it mattered, and as expected the boys from Couva had to deal with an attacking Mexican outfit.
It was as early as the 2nd minute of the game and the Mexicans had their first strike, from the dangerous Omar Bravo, but the young Kerwyn Beckles got his body behind the shot and gathered easily.
However, that was a sign of things to come, as Chivas in front of close to 30,000 screaming fans dominated possession in the midfield, leaving the five Connection midfielders chasing.
In the 8th minute young Kerwyn Beckles was again called into action, when he had to jump high to collect a dangerous looking right sided cross from Alberto Medina.
It was clear from the outset that the 20 year old Beckles was going to have a busy night between the uprights. In minute 16, Chivas worked the ball neatly across the face of the goal and Santana had his first crack at goal, which Beckles fumbled on the first bounce, but gathered safely.
In the 21st minute, the pressure began to take its toll on a hapless looking W Connection outfit that looked a far cry from the team that defeated Chivas 2-1 only two weeks ago.
The opening goal came from a defensive blunder, a clear misunderstanding between Brenton De Leon and goalkeeper Beckles and the combination of Medina and Santana worked well, Medina slipping the ball past an advancing Beckles for Santana to tap home Chivas in front 1-0.
Three minutes later there was a brief spark for the three time Caribbean Cup winners, when midfielder Kern Cupid banged a long range effort from some 30 yards out that looked threatening until the Mexican keeper held it with some ease.
The Mexicans however continued in search for the all important 2nd goal, and Bravo headed wide from another right-sided cross from Medina in the 26th minute.
One minute later, there was some drama in the Jalisco Stadium, as the referee surprisingly awarded Chivas a penalty, when a ball came across the face of the goal, and what looked to be a 50-50 chance which Beckles rose and took cleanly, before Santana collided into him.
The Honduras referee amazingly pointed to the spot, to obvious protest from Connection skipper Earl Jean and his troops.
However, as justice would have it, the penalty was blocked by a determined Kerwyn Beckles to give W Connection some hope.
Chivas continued to control the game up until the half time whistle, and Chivas took a 1-0 lead into the dressing room.
On the resumption nothing changed as Chivas came out hungry for that 2nd goal and did not have to wait long as in the 47th minute, it was Santana that received a pinpoint accurate cross and glanced his header wide of a diving Beckles, Chivas now in charge 2-0.
The home team continued to apply the pressure with the obvious intention to shut W Connection out of the contest.
Connection Coach made some changes hoping for something special, Christian Viveros came in for Kern Cupid and Andre Toussaint replaced Hughton Hector.
However, despite Viveros stepped up Connection's game in midfield, the "Savonetta Boys" failed to create any clear chances for themselves.
Instead Chivas rocked Connection's bar with a thunderous strike from Adolfo Bavtista in the 61st minute.
Drawing on his last card, coach Fevrier sent in Andrei Pacheco for the less than match fit, but hard working Jose Luis Seabra, but by then it was too late as Chivas would knock the wind out of the Pro League outfit.
Bavtista would find himself on the end of a through ball and slotted it home to send Chivas into a commanding 3-0 lead.
The fresh legs of Pacheco tried to light some fire under a wilting W Connection, but his shot from on top the 18 yard box in the dying minutes flashed just wide.
In the end that was all she wrote, and Chivas accomplished what they set out to do, erasing a 1 goal deficit from the first leg to win the home and away tie 4-2 on aggregate and the Mexican side will now go on to play DC United in the semi-finals.
While W Connection will head back to the drawing board and prepare for the upcoming 2007 Pro League season which kicks off in April.
Teams
W Connection: - Kerwyn Beckles, William Da Silva Oliviera, Elijah Joseph, Earl Jean, Gefferson Goulart, Nickolson Thomas, Hughton Hector (Andre Toussaint), Devon Drayton, Kern Cupid (Christian Viveros), Jose Luis Seabra (Andrei Pacheco), Brenton De Leon.
Chivas: - Ernsto Michel, Roberto Rivera, Antonio Patlan, Deigo Martinez, Manoel Sol, Hector Reynoso, Omar Bravo, Sergio Santana, Gonzalo Pineda, Alberto Medina, Adolfo Bavtista.
Goal scorers: Sergio Santana (21, 47), Adolfo Bavtista (61)
W Connection v Chivas
0 Goals 3
2 Shots on Target 11
1 Corners 10
0 Offsides 2
2 Yellow Cards 1
0 Red Cards 0
5 Fouls 10
Disappointed Fevrier says players did not rise to the occasion
By: Joel Villafana (Rporting live from Guadalajara).
W Connection's Head Coach Stuart Charles Fevrier was an obviously disappointed man after he watched his team surrender a one goal advantage from the 1st leg of the CONCACAF Champions Cup quarterfinal to go down to Chivas 3-0 in the second leg.
At the post match press conference, the St. Lucian born coach was still trying to come to terms with why some of his players in his opinion did not play to their true potential.
"I thought it was a game that we could have done better, we were always aware that Chivas is a more experienced team than we are and we know we had to be on top of our game if we had to get a positive result, however, that was not the case today as some of our players did not rise to the occasion, and were very low key in their performance."
Fevrier added, "The fact that Chivas is in competition right now and we are not also had a part to play, they were a bit sharper than us, after Chivas played us two weeks ago they have played three games, so they were definitely match fit, but still I believe not all our players played to their true potential."
"Chivas is a quality team and we needed all our players to be on top of their game, so I am disappointed in the teams performance," ended Fevrier.
Meanwhile skipper Earl Jean was also a disappointed man, he told the Mexican media, "I too am disappointed with our performance, we were below par and we can't come to play a team like Chivas and expect to win if we played how we played tonight."
"But as a club we have to take a lot of heart from this experience, we will keep fighting as a team, we will go back to the drawing board and see where we went wrong, we head back home now and we will try to get ourselves ready for our upcoming season."
Quarterfinals, Leg 2
Wed., Feb. 28[/b]
Marquense 0-1 Pachuca
(3-0 on aggregate).
Chivas 3-0 W Connection
(4-2 on aggregate).
Thu., Mar. 1
D.C. United vs. Olimpia
Houston vs. Puntarenas
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070301/capt.0ef71a7eaf5f49408d1f71072990c7e2.mexico_soccer_concacaf_champions_cup_gdga104.jpg)
Mexicos Chivas player Sergio Santana, center, celebrates with teammates after scoring against Trinidad & Tobagos W Connection during a CONCACAF ChampionsCup game Wednesday, Feb. 28, 2007, in Guadalajara, Mexico. ...(AP Photo/Guillermo Arias).
(http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070301/capt.51d319f55cda4b59a6ee1b063febc2f1.mexico_soccer_concacaf_champions_cup_gdga102.jpg)
Mexico's Chivas player Francisco Rodriguez, battles for the ball with Trinidad & Tobagos W Connection Sports Club's Elijah Joseph during a CONCACAF Champions Cup game in Guadalajara, Mexico, Wednesday, Feb. 28, 2007. ...(AP Photo/Guillermo Arias).
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I saw the first 25 minutes of the game then turned it off. W Connection should not have even been on the same pitch...Totally outclassed.
Nonetheless, a job well done to get this far in the competition.
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i was disappointed. connection get out played bad.
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I felt sad at the end of the game.
W connection did a very good job between the first leg and the second leg of covering their defensive third with 8 players.
They were excellent at staying in position passing off runners and preventing the Chivas attack from getting behind them.
The problem is that football is played on a pitch with 3 thirds and W connection did nothing in the 2 games in the middle third and had 2 good goals in the first game for the attacking third.
I honestly thought that they were defending in the first game because of being a man down but this second game showed that they were just on the back foot.
I was sad because the teams were so far apart, when W connection did come out to try to play towards the end chances started to flow for chivas, if they played this way for the whole game they might get 10.
W Connection, PFL and as a result trinidad and Tobago football is light years behind mexican football.
We need to rethink our approach to the game at home because we are not up to date.
Yes we have some good individual players who can go foreign and if we put them together we can maybe come 4th in the hex.
But football development is much much more than that.
Something seriously wrong here, something seriously different, is like we preparing for a different sport!
Players wise
The 2 short brazilians had bad games, Golart and Oliveria so that did not help. Especially Olivera he look like an Indian so I think he from Brazil in Central, not the real Brazil.
The keeper is real good, he will push Jan for TnT in 2014 amd Jan will push Jack and Ince for 2010 so keeper wise we in good shape. His height is is best assest, once he refines his training methods he will do well.
The Deleon Left back is a good player, if he is a Trini he should replace daniels as TnT left Back.
The defensive midfielder with the gloves should also be a TnT team if he is trini (Put hardest on the bench and push Theobald more forward). he just need to read a lil more football books so he can know when to shoot and when to pass.
the right wing who come off half time is also a good player for a TnT side.
the Ras defender have potential but he a lil wild
In the end W connection play a good brand they try to pass the ball and have good link up play. The problem was they could not push numbers forwards to allow possesion in the middle and attacking third. Because defensively one on one and as a team they could not contain the Chivas attack without 8 men behind the ball.
is is better to just play to not lose too bad or go out and try to play ball!
This is a sad realization for Tnt football, With more luck W connection could have even advanced but it would not have changed the fact that they are not up to Pa with these Mexican teams.
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Good morning Goodpeople,
Yes they were outclassed. Could any other team done better? Who knows. They were the best in the region. What does that say for regional football.
But bigup to Connection for giving the best that they were able to give. I know a lot of people call you all sH*tsnakes. But at least you earn your right to be there. Don't worry, there is always next year.
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Players wise
The 2 short brazilians had bad games, Golart and Oliveria so that did not help. Especially Olivera he look like an Indian so I think he from Brazil in Central, not the real Brazil.
boy yuh post was going good until ah read this steeps
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well its ironic isnt it.
ah bring out the i told allyuh so.
when i was syaing that i perfer them to do the right thing and loss people was braying about winning means more yadda yadda.s
steups oui luck dont win championships.
consitency at a high level and basics. now everyone saying the same thigns that touches myself and a few others were saying after the first game and everyoen was hating.
this was inevitable although football things happen.
not everyday is sunday!!!
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The 2 short brazilians had bad games, Golart and Oliveria so that did not help. Especially Olivera he look like an Indian so I think he from Brazil in Central, not the real Brazil.
What race have to do with it asshole..... because he is indian he cant play or he not true Brazilian, you have to be a f00cking dunce.... in every country it have every race and ture ones too.
That same little Brazilians was the best player in T&T PFL last season, atleast in the top 3 defensive players, he was also voted by the PFL board as Best Midfielder of the Year (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=24893.msg273130#msg273130) so what that have say about your true black creole players.
So you is not a true Trini because you black then ?
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Let's begin by pointing out that yes, CFU club teams ARE inferior to the Mexican club teams. There is no doubt about that. The quality of the Mexican league is incredible.
Secondly, I believe that W Connection did surprise Chivas. They must have been surprised of how little quality W Connection had, and lulled themselves to sleep. In a home and away series, a team that knows it is way better than an opponent can get lazy in a first leg away knowing that the home leg is still to come.
Thirdly, I would like W Connection to win. Of course I would. But a 4 goal thrashing is not out of the question. Don't be surprised at all if Connection gets humbled.
As goes the commentators, I agree that there may be a bit of arrogance there, but what do you expect with a country that has literally owned CONCACAF for the past 20 years?
And to Ponnoxx whp talked about tactics in football..... boy what to say? I agree that W Connection may have set out to soak up pressure, defend with 11, and play on the counter, but come on.... the Mexican finishing was woesome and they looked like they were toying with Connection. Not just that, the Connection players (except Seabra, Goulart, Jean and the last stopper who was taking the goal kicks) looked like real amateurs. They couldn't even string 5 passes together. It was pathetic.
That being said, when last has anyone seen a defender taking goal kicks for a keeper who is not injured? That is something I have not seen for YEARS. Real Under-14 thing.
Come on fellas, face it nah. The display was piss poor, the result was great, but the away leg is real licks for Connection.
That was the post I made after the first leg and real people cuss me.
Having seen the second leg, I rest my case.
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Let's begin by pointing out that yes, CFU club teams ARE inferior to the Mexican club teams. There is no doubt about that. The quality of the Mexican league is incredible.
Secondly, I believe that W Connection did surprise Chivas. They must have been surprised of how little quality W Connection had, and lulled themselves to sleep. In a home and away series, a team that knows it is way better than an opponent can get lazy in a first leg away knowing that the home leg is still to come.
Thirdly, I would like W Connection to win. Of course I would. But a 4 goal thrashing is not out of the question. Don't be surprised at all if Connection gets humbled.
As goes the commentators, I agree that there may be a bit of arrogance there, but what do you expect with a country that has literally owned CONCACAF for the past 20 years?
And to Ponnoxx whp talked about tactics in football..... boy what to say? I agree that W Connection may have set out to soak up pressure, defend with 11, and play on the counter, but come on.... the Mexican finishing was woesome and they looked like they were toying with Connection. Not just that, the Connection players (except Seabra, Goulart, Jean and the last stopper who was taking the goal kicks) looked like real amateurs. They couldn't even string 5 passes together. It was pathetic.
That being said, when last has anyone seen a defender taking goal kicks for a keeper who is not injured? That is something I have not seen for YEARS. Real Under-14 thing.
Come on fellas, face it nah. The display was piss poor, the result was great, but the away leg is real licks for Connection.
That was the post I made after the first leg and real people cuss me.
Having seen the second leg, I rest my case.
:applause: :applause:
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Boy that game last night is what u would call a "Humiliating Defeat" we were out played in every department. We have a long way to go to reach that level of football.
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That was the post I made after the first leg and real people cuss me.
Having seen the second leg, I rest my case.
And what if you was wrong ? breads, it might have been impossible for Connection to make it to the next rounds in your books, but you never know dread, shit does happen.... man cuss you because you was very negative...... de team beat Chivas 2-1, forget how they play, they got the job done and in the end thats all that matters, jump high jump low.... they played better in that 2-1 win, face it.... your view might have reflected on this game maybe.
We have the players in T&T, but a structure and better coaches must be there to bring it out of our players like Beenhakker did with T&T. In these mordern times other teams in CONCACAF catch they ass to beat Mexican clubs.
Nobody eh saying Connection better than Chivas, but come on dread.
You saying de Mexican finishing was woesome, yes, and thats my point, shit happens, like what we did to Honduras in Honduras in 2001 WCQ's....
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Let's begin by pointing out that yes, CFU club teams ARE inferior to the Mexican club teams. There is no doubt about that. The quality of the Mexican league is incredible.
Secondly, I believe that W Connection did surprise Chivas. They must have been surprised of how little quality W Connection had, and lulled themselves to sleep. In a home and away series, a team that knows it is way better than an opponent can get lazy in a first leg away knowing that the home leg is still to come.
Thirdly, I would like W Connection to win. Of course I would. But a 4 goal thrashing is not out of the question. Don't be surprised at all if Connection gets humbled.
As goes the commentators, I agree that there may be a bit of arrogance there, but what do you expect with a country that has literally owned CONCACAF for the past 20 years?
And to Ponnoxx whp talked about tactics in football..... boy what to say? I agree that W Connection may have set out to soak up pressure, defend with 11, and play on the counter, but come on.... the Mexican finishing was woesome and they looked like they were toying with Connection. Not just that, the Connection players (except Seabra, Goulart, Jean and the last stopper who was taking the goal kicks) looked like real amateurs. They couldn't even string 5 passes together. It was pathetic.
That being said, when last has anyone seen a defender taking goal kicks for a keeper who is not injured? That is something I have not seen for YEARS. Real Under-14 thing.
Come on fellas, face it nah. The display was piss poor, the result was great, but the away leg is real licks for Connection.
That was the post I made after the first leg and real people cuss me.
Having seen the second leg, I rest my case.
At least the 'keeper took his own spot kicks last night ;D
Seriously, though, I does see men gettin' bouff-up for telling the truth about our state of football in the caribbean/concacaf and men does be talking about "waiting until next year" and "hopefully we will learn from this", but we've been singing them songs (among other hopeful ones) for decades now, while constantly being exposed (as a country and a culture) to high standards. When will we really learn AND do better?? Chivas was playing with W. Connection last night, not against them. I've said this before, and i'll say it again: As a culture, we need to get real and understand what real sports and real professionalism are and demand it of our athletes, coaches and administrators. For decades now we in T&T have been watching football from all around the world and know what it takes to imrove our game down to every individual that plays at whatever level. But if these same players, coaches and administrators don't even respectively demand the best of themselves and learn to pass, trap and shhot using proper technique, or teach players proper technicque, or carry out their administrative duties with the best interests of the sport at heart, and instead, let all the hype of their supposed accomplishments swell their heads, then we will be spinnin de same tops in de same mud, 5, 10, 20 years from now. All that being said, I still give my respect to W. Connection, from the players to the owners for their efforts and whenever I am home, I shall stop by and encourage them all to do better next time and every time.
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Ah want everybody who quarrel and was vex with Touches for his honesty to PM him an apology!!
ah love it!!
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I saw the part of the second half, and was amazed at the pace of chivas player or should I say the slowest of W connection. I agree better coaching and speed up of the game in the PFL(play at a faster pace). The fete match football need to stop. We need some dutch intervention.
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Some ppl on here have a who right/wrong or a who win/lose mentality,guys we all are just giving our views/ideas/thoughts,that does not mean it's the way it is or should be,not because someone was right the last time they will be right next time but we just waiting for ppl to fail to justify what we are saying.On the field of play nothing is black and white,nothing you do you are assured it going to work,Liverpool catching their tail in the EPL but they beat Barca in the Champions league,anyone surprised/shocked by that?
Check the trend when ever we leave T&T,national team/local club we just can't see our way,it's easy to predict that we going to lose,it's the same storeys i hear all the time, but i can assure you at home the guys put in a very good effort,now i did not say they are world class eh,i have not seen T&T play except on TV in years i depend on reports i get from you all in order for me to respond,the only reason i respond is if something does/does not make sense.
T&T Football needs all of us,our input is very important, it gives our administrators something to work with,it appears to me sometimes like we appreciate/support foreign Football more than our own,this mentality has rubbed off on the country in general.
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Ah want everybody who quarrel and was vex with Touches for his honesty to PM him an apology!!
ah love it!!
Apologize for what?
STEUPSE
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for decades now, while constantly being exposed (as a country and a culture) to high standards.
I talkin about football here.
So one club in our league, not always the same one, plays a top class club MAYBE twice a year.
Is that what you mean by "constantly being exposed"?
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for decades now, while constantly being exposed (as a country and a culture) to high standards.
I talkin about football here.
So one club in our league, not always the same one, plays a top class club MAYBE twice a year.
Is that what you mean by "constantly being exposed"?
No. I mean that we as a "culture" have seen top class fotball come to our shores, time and time again, and witness with our own eyes how vast a gap there exists between the football we play, and the football we need to learn to play, but still accepting mediocrity. Not to mention that enuff people watching football on tv and internet on a regular. Men (and women) have to know by now that the level we are playing at on a regular basis ain't gonna cut it, in spite of us qualifying for a WC. At this point, none of us should be surprised at how easily W. Connection were dimantled by Chivas last night, but yet there are many that truly thought we had some major result to collect. After the game, then people start talking about how old a club Chivas is and what not but we have been playing against teams of Chivas' level long before last night, so when are we going to start preparing?
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I just found the first leg goal from Sebra http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayg3Exc286k
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I could understand ppl saying that Chivas was better than WC.
I could fully understand ppl saying that that Mex. has a better prof. program than us.
But maybe ppl should figure out the following:
Whilst Mex can retain most of their players, the majority of our talent go abroad and are thus lost to the league.
Chivas had six national Mexicans on their side. When was the last time TT even had 6 internationals at home at the same time playing in the local league.
WC lost about four players b4 this encounter and a fifth was injured. Against one of the best teams on the Continent. Was this result really a surprise. WC played with 10 men and won in TT. Chivas looked nothing out of the oridinary. Then an understrengthed WC went to Mex and lost 3-0 at hight altitude. Surprised??
But let's get this straight. TT is supposed to be at a disadvantage vs. the Mexicans every time, because of the superior structure and high alt.
But we have NEVER been outclassed. Remember our past encounters, Defence Force, Police and yes WC a few years ago.
Give WC the money that Chivas has and you'll see their quality improve.
Peacer,
VB
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Being outplayed in the second leg has nothing to do with the first gam...Totally independent of each other...Another thing is that W Connection probably play the biggest game of their short history,...I cyah believe ppl trying to be so critical..They loss and they loss end of story...Allyuh fellas good yes...Believe me that was a great experience for Connection...They know they will have to step up big time , work on the fundamentals from youth stage ...to match big teams such as Chivas...It might not be the current squad that beat Chivas but it may be a squad 5-10 years down the road that beat Chivas...Allyuh fellas sounding happy....They loss the game but I know they win the first game...History will forever remember that....Guess what guys PFL isn't the best football in the world (although I will support it)...Quite a newsflash huh!? PFL still building a standard....It so easy to critisize everything, point fingers, mock,talk shit...Its easy to do that...Hard to find a silver lining...Hard to find answers ...This site have PLENTY critics who are masters of belittling anything...Go T&T
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I could understand ppl saying that Chivas was better than WC.
I could fully understand ppl saying that that Mex. has a better prof. program than us.
But maybe ppl should figure out the following:
Whilst Mex can retain most of their players, the majority of our talent go abroad and are thus lost to the league.
Chivas had six national Mexicans on their side. When was the last time TT even had 6 internationals at home at the same time playing in the local league.
WC lost about four players b4 this encounter and a fifth was injured. Against one of the best teams on the Continent. Was this result really a surprise. WC played with 10 men and won in TT. Chivas looked nothing out of the oridinary. Then an understrengthed WC went to Mex and lost 3-0 at hight altitude. Surprised??
But let's get this straight. TT is supposed to be at a disadvantage vs. the Mexicans every time, because of the superior structure and high alt.
But we have NEVER been outclassed. Remember our past encounters, Defence Force, Police and yes WC a few years ago.
Give WC the money that Chivas has and you'll see their quality improve.
Peacer,
VB
VB, did you watch the game (the second leg)? Did you watch the first leg? If you did, how can you say that we "have never been outclassed"?
It is "head in the sand" views like this that keep our local football at the poor level it is.
Plain talk, bad manners:
1 - The Secondary Schools Football League today is shit. Soory to be so blunt, but it is true. It is not of any standard to rear or develop international quality youth players.
2 - The great talent that we always claim to have at home..... where is it? After watching our Under 17s and Under 20s labour against their compatriots from St. Kitts and Nevis, Barbados and the like (not to mention Jamaica because they are usually a pretty solid Caribbean team), how can we say with conviction that we have any real set of "great" young talent?
3 - The PFL is a young league, but the standard of play is horrible. For W Connection to be a team that dominates in the PFL and look like a kindergarten team against Chivas is an embarrassment not simply for W Connection, but for the PFL.
4 - What will be the standard of Trinidad and Tobago football when this Golden Era is past? When Latas is gone, Dwight is gone, Stern John is gone, Shaka, Jack and Ince are gone, Marvin Andrews is gone, Sancho is gone, Dennis Lawrence is gone, Scotland is gone? Who we have? The young guns coming up misfiring bad. And we are seeing that in the Under 17 and Under 20 competitions. Who knows, maybe Carlos, Theobald, Whitley and Chris Birchall can clone themselves and make a 21?
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VB i must say well said Breds,it's always nice to get another take on things WC/Chevas and it makes a lot of sense.
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I attended the first game, thought they did well considering they went down to ten men.
Last night was poor. The first goal was pure comedy, almost a carbon copy of the goal Van Der Sar conceded on Saturday against Fulham. Why rush 12 yards off your line when you have two defenders already in front of you to take care of things? The second goal was just pure naivety. The boy had three players around him, instead of getting in front of the striker and trying to head clear they all stood there watching the ball being planted onto his head! You can't make mistakes like that at this level. It was like watching an Intercol game "You head it! No, you head it! No you..."...
They were getting murdered down the right flank in the second half. Connections full back was woefully exposed, and was getting no support from the winger in front of him. In Europe, you will see how the wingers will often drop back to give extra support to the defending full backs. What was even more worrying was that Fevrier didn't do anything to stop them from marauding down the right, he just left things as they were and Chivas kept knocking balls down the right channel for the winger to chase and they knocked in two goals as a result...
Earl Jean was left up front on his own, without any support whatsoever, even when he did manage to get possession. I mean, come on...if you're going to play him as a lone striker then at least tell the wingers to move infield when possession has been retained to feed him a few through balls or hit him with a few crosses, or get a midfielder to run from deep to support the attack. You'll notice that neither of Connections wingers got to the by-line and flung in a cross of any quality, and the midfield were all clustered together in the centre circle.
I thought it was awful. It could have been five or six since Chivas had already hit the post and the crossbar.
A lot of work needs to be done...
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On a similar tip, when army win champions cup in 85, how many of those players were part of the strike squad? The bulk? I recall it being mainly army and trintoc in those days and not to forget the two BBP players in Alibey and Faustin! ;D
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I could understand ppl saying that Chivas was better than WC.
I could fully understand ppl saying that that Mex. has a better prof. program than us.
But maybe ppl should figure out the following:
Whilst Mex can retain most of their players, the majority of our talent go abroad and are thus lost to the league.
Chivas had six national Mexicans on their side. When was the last time TT even had 6 internationals at home at the same time playing in the local league.
WC lost about four players b4 this encounter and a fifth was injured. Against one of the best teams on the Continent. Was this result really a surprise. WC played with 10 men and won in TT. Chivas looked nothing out of the oridinary. Then an understrengthed WC went to Mex and lost 3-0 at hight altitude. Surprised??
But let's get this straight. TT is supposed to be at a disadvantage vs. the Mexicans every time, because of the superior structure and high alt.
But we have NEVER been outclassed. Remember our past encounters, Defence Force, Police and yes WC a few years ago.
Give WC the money that Chivas has and you'll see their quality improve.
Peacer,
VB
Sugar coating and excuse-making like this will get us no where (and the evidence is glaring).
T&T local football is in a f-ing mess, and yesterday's game was an embarrassing illustration of such. It was men against boys yesterday. No where in the world should a team that performed like W yesterday be proud to call themselves professional. Individually the performance was amateur. Plain talk eh bad manners....We behind the curve....admit it, forget the excuses, and talk of ways to improve....Nothing is wrong with admission that we have a very very very long way to go.....
The luxury of having multiple nat'l players on a team is one that few clubs have...and the absence of such is NO excuse for poor technique, no chemistry, horrible movement and basically appearing to not have a clue of what it takes to play at the highest level.....sorry for being a little harsh, but it kinda frustrating to read your post....If we made a game of it, went down fighting and actually appeared competitive then sure....such was not the case. As a Trini it was almost embarrassing to admit that that was the best club team our pro league had to offer....seriously.....
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On a similar tip, when army win champions cup in 85, how many of those players were part of the strike squad? The bulk? I recall it being mainly army and trintoc in those days and not to forget the two BBP players in Alibey and Faustin! ;D
Wha bout the Alibey and Faustin mural on the wall by the basketball court eh nachilus?
Two ah dem rocking high top fade and some biters.... dat mural was holding up well up to a couple years ago.... ah wonder if it still dey
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On a similar tip, when army win champions cup in 85, how many of those players were part of the strike squad? The bulk? I recall it being mainly army and trintoc in those days and not to forget the two BBP players in Alibey and Faustin! ;D
Wha bout the Alibey and Faustin mural on the wall by the basketball court eh nachilus?
Two ah dem rocking high top fade and some biters.... dat mural was holding up well up to a couple years ago.... ah wonder if it still dey
Yuh see, ah miss dat one, nex time ah home ah will pass to see, personally I never see dat, but nice to know it exists (existed), seeing Faustin in Germany was real nice, ah tink he buss ah whine on de same smallie yuh was checkin ;D
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THE BETTER TEAM WON. better luck next time connection you didn't do so bad at least from my prospective. you played your hearts out but it proved little against a team with great technical ability from a proper professional footballing environment. however our football has made some strides in the past two decades, gone are the days when players were working 8hrs days and balling in their spare time, days of the mighty( malvern- A.S.L-maple -peter borough- E.C.T.) we've stepped up the game, it's a little late in coming but it's here non the less. we are at the cross roads of our footballing history that game last night showed us that,if we want to move on and compete at an international level we must do some serious work which includes as the dutch man said raise our level, by hiring better coaching and technical staff e.c.t. i know it's easier said than done but that's what's reqired if we want to be a super power in the region and a force to recon with internationally. we also need the support of the public, they must turn out for the pro games like somone sugested bring the school kids on outings to the games get them into it. it might be a small start but it's a start in the right direction, because these big old horses just not interested in football at all,only in W.C.Q. if our team is doing good and may stand a chance of qualifing ... then they're all running to fill up the stadium... hording all the tickets while the true fans can't even get close to the stadium even to smell a blade of grass. my comments wer'nt intended to dis or create controversy, i'am just a concern fan giving my two cents. positive.
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As long as our best players are being shipped out of the country the standard/level of our players and league will remain at the level it is today,unless our local Coaches get exposed to a higher level of competition/coaching they can't improve our teams,i find is like we reach our limit(run out of ideas)to move our Football from where we are.In the US they place a lot of emphasis on education in the game,the courses are based on that,we need programs like that.
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As long as our best players are being shipped out of the country the standard/level of our players and league will remain at the level it is today,unless our local Coaches get exposed to a higher level of competition/coaching they can't improve our teams,i find is like we reach our limit(run out of ideas)to move our Football from where we are.In the US they place a lot of emphasis on education in the game,the courses are based on that,we need programs like that.
suppose if these local coaches dont want to improve themselves.... then what co-op i said it before it should be made mandatory by the pfl .... every 3 years they go on a courses...
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What is the prize money for the different competitions in the PFL?
What is the average player/coach salary?
Where are the incentives to raise the level of the game?
The young players playing on the hope that they will get a foreign contract.
Once a player cross 28 basically he playing to keep his wuk. Once that start improvement will be hard to come by. What incentive does the coach have to spur him on? The coach need the player cause the the club need to field a team but it doh make sense paying more cause that is an investment with no returns.
Secondly if the older palyer is the younger player measuring stick the problem is compounded.
Until $ get addressed it go be same thing different day. We will get what we pay for.
I am disappointed by the coaching. Fervier sit down on the bench after the 2nd goal and resign to his fate. If the coach doh have a fighting spirit then what can be expected of the team?
If you put 9 man behind the ball and it have so much space and man still running free and getting free headers, I think it have something to do with coaching. A player can only correct what is pointed out to him. If we have to wait for players to figure it out it will be too late.
To me I didn't really see the mistrap etc that much in this game. It was poor positional play both offensively and defensively.
I see a coach as a teacher. If a teacher only do up to CXC then he/she cannot teach A' levels.
If a student have to learn A' level maths on his own who knows how long it will take. Having a teacher who allows you to learn from their mistakes and knowledge, speeds up your learning.
The PFL and TTFF need to pay for coaches to go train with some of the bigger clubs in the world and then bring them back as a development officer. They also need to use technology. Video tape Carlos. Let him tell younger players as well as demonstrate what it took for him to raise his level to where it is. We doh have to bring back Dwight etc, technology could bridge the gap.
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Please don't let Ego get in the way...
Any high level competitor know, "not good enough" if proven in competition is not a negative comment, but an indicator/measure of the individual's station on his path to success. It tells me I must work harder to be attain or catch the wave/means of attain my chosen glory...If any athlete sees losing as a failure then they shouldn't bother compete.
What gets me is the characters who have the the ability to access, who is shithound, and who put down ah load, and who not good, without they themselves attempting to swim in that exact sea of turmoil.
Neither as player, coach, trainer,administrator or otherwise....
In my opinion, W Connection played well, the Chivas club is way better.
As an indicator of T&T level of football, as well as our National team members performance, it indicates, that coaching and selection, should be based not just athletic skill, but in addition mental(football) ability as well. I don't know for sure, but I feel the Chivas players did not just possess equal or better skill than OUR players, or even greater fitness 9they didn't run more or faster) but additional knowledge of positional awareness, technical strength and flow of the game. These are things that can be learned and developed. Yet, in todays game(and yesterdays game), emphasis has to be placed on a National scale devlopment, and not necessarily, on winning. Using myself as an eg., and later teams I have coached, I was a above avg. goalscorer, because I had above avg athletic ability, and although I was successful, my teams, were not always such.
I became a better footballer after a major injury, which served to reduce my pure athletic ability, and forced me to compete, by strengthning my mental aspects of the game, DURING practice and games. I scored less true, but my teams became stronger and eventually more successfull, which made me attain higher levels of success. Thus increase of Team fortitude, at the sacrifice of more individual flair.
The great players are the ones who has an understanding of maintaing both (individual & team success) at high levels. I did not say the highest recognized professionals...but the great ones..
Maradona, Pele, Zidane, and many, would not have achieved such greatness, if their teams always crash-out in early rounds....they would still be good, cause they could naturally do their thing, but we wouldn't be able to measure their greatness, against lesser opponents.
Yet this can be applied to all of T&T culture...Once we strived to be the best, through insult and injury, today, we JUST want to show we better than our neigbours...be it school, community, region, house, job, finance, party..."At least ah better than you"
In any society it isn't easy to stay focus, I away here for over 35 years, and it occurs in some cases here as well, yet, if we are to improve, we have to check and ascertain where we really are....and where we really want to be..
on football, if all we want to be is at the big party (WC), then the only people we might surpass is the ones we must to get there...
is only ah thought eh...I not stating ah fact....if ah wrong, please help meh with some guidance still.
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I attended the first game, thought they did well considering they went down to ten men.
Last night was poor. The first goal was pure comedy, almost a carbon copy of the goal Van Der Sar conceded on Saturday against Fulham. Why rush 12 yards off your line when you have two defenders already in front of you to take care of things? The second goal was just pure naivety. The boy had three players around him, instead of getting in front of the striker and trying to head clear they all stood there watching the ball being planted onto his head! You can't make mistakes like that at this level. It was like watching an Intercol game "You head it! No, you head it! No you..."...
They were getting murdered down the right flank in the second half. Connections full back was woefully exposed, and was getting no support from the winger in front of him. In Europe, you will see how the wingers will often drop back to give extra support to the defending full backs. What was even more worrying was that Fevrier didn't do anything to stop them from marauding down the right, he just left things as they were and Chivas kept knocking balls down the right channel for the winger to chase and they knocked in two goals as a result...
Earl Jean was left up front on his own, without any support whatsoever, even when he did manage to get possession. I mean, come on...if you're going to play him as a lone striker then at least tell the wingers to move infield when possession has been retained to feed him a few through balls or hit him with a few crosses, or get a midfielder to run from deep to support the attack. You'll notice that neither of Connections wingers got to the by-line and flung in a cross of any quality, and the midfield were all clustered together in the centre circle.
I thought it was awful. It could have been five or six since Chivas had already hit the post and the crossbar.
A lot of work needs to be done...
In defense of Beckles with the first goal (and even Van der Saar, to some extent): that ball that was played into the box is of the type that are among the most difficult for goalkeepers (and defenders) to deal with because the ball is coming in almost from a vertical perspective (as opposed to a cross ball going across the penalty area) and this makes it difficult for the 'keeper to pick up the speed of the ball. Even though there were two defenders closing in on the attacker, they were still a step behind and Beckles only had a split second to determine "who was going to get to the ball first" and react accordingly. He did come out too far for one other reason: the ball played in was a bouncing ball that could have been just as easily lobbed over his head and into the goal but a little more credit needs to be give to the Chivas player for putting the ball in just the right place that puts defenders and goalkeepers and their defences in a quandry. If the defenders were at least a little tighter on the man that initially received the ball in the box, I don't think Beckles would have come out so quickly. I could be wrong, but I felt a little bad for him on that one.
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Sugar coating and excuse-making like this will get us no where (and the evidence is glaring).
T&T local football is in a f-ing mess, and yesterday's game was an embarrassing illustration of such. It was men against boys yesterday. No where in the world should a team that performed like W yesterday be proud to call themselves professional. Individually the performance was amateur. Plain talk eh bad manners....We behind the curve....admit it, forget the excuses, and talk of ways to improve....Nothing is wrong with admission that we have a very very very long way to go.....
The luxury of having multiple nat'l players on a team is one that few clubs have...and the absence of such is NO excuse for poor technique, no chemistry, horrible movement and basically appearing to not have a clue of what it takes to play at the highest level.....sorry for being a little harsh, but it kinda frustrating to read your post....If we made a game of it, went down fighting and actually appeared competitive then sure....such was not the case. As a Trini it was almost embarrassing to admit that that was the best club team our pro league had to offer....seriously.....
I understand ur frustration.
I saw the first game but not the second.
My point is ppl talking like we always catch ass vs Mex clubs.
If QPO play a Bermuda club in cricket. I expect QPO to win.
The Mex.s are supposed to win every time especially with high alt. advantage. Yet a few years ago, WC had dem reeling in Mex. and only hight alt. got the better of them at the end.
If WC seemed to lack fight last night. OK. Howver, I want to see that game for myslef. I hear all kinda talk about the first game, and it wasn't half as bad as ppl say it was.
When hs TT football NOT been in a mess. It didn't stop us from performing b4.
TT football in a mess. So what?
What is WC and SJJ supposed to do about that?
Tell locals not to go abroad and make money? Tell the waggonists to come and support, and not only at the end?
Why it is when WC went down 3-2 in Mex. last time, nobody come on this site bawling TT football in a mess. Wasn't it in a mess back then?
When last a Con. Club outside C. Rica win in Mex.??
If WC didn't put up much fight last night so be it?
But TT clubs have done damn well over the years vs. foreign opposition despite obvious deficiencies.
You run WC nah. What you could do better? They go win next year?
VB
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Hard luck to Connection yuh live yuh learn,that left back learn some hard lessons last night hope he keep he head up. Better team definitely won last night.
But wait ain't conncection play the same kinda brand that Beenie had the natl team play in germany? :devil:
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Please don't let Ego get in the way...
Any high level competitor know, "not good enough" if proven in competition is not a negative comment, but an indicator/measure of the individual's station on his path to success. It tells me I must work harder to be attain or catch the wave/means of attain my chosen glory...If any athlete sees losing as a failure then they shouldn't bother compete.
What gets me is the characters who have the the ability to access, who is shithound, and who put down ah load, and who not good, without they themselves attempting to swim in that exact sea of turmoil.
Neither as player, coach, trainer,administrator or otherwise....
In my opinion, W Connection played well, the Chivas club is way better.
As an indicator of T&T level of football, as well as our National team members performance, it indicates, that coaching and selection, should be based not just athletic skill, but in addition mental(football) ability as well. I don't know for sure, but I feel the Chivas players did not just possess equal or better skill than OUR players, or even greater fitness 9they didn't run more or faster) but additional knowledge of positional awareness, technical strength and flow of the game. These are things that can be learned and developed. Yet, in todays game(and yesterdays game), emphasis has to be placed on a National scale devlopment, and not necessarily, on winning. Using myself as an eg., and later teams I have coached, I was a above avg. goalscorer, because I had above avg athletic ability, and although I was successful, my teams, were not always such.
I became a better footballer after a major injury, which served to reduce my pure athletic ability, and forced me to compete, by strengthning my mental aspects of the game, DURING practice and games. I scored less true, but my teams became stronger and eventually more successfull, which made me attain higher levels of success. Thus increase of Team fortitude, at the sacrifice of more individual flair.
The great players are the ones who has an understanding of maintaing both (individual & team success) at high levels. I did not say the highest recognized professionals...but the great ones..
Maradona, Pele, Zidane, and many, would not have achieved such greatness, if their teams always crash-out in early rounds....they would still be good, cause they could naturally do their thing, but we wouldn't be able to measure their greatness, against lesser opponents.
Yet this can be applied to all of T&T culture...Once we strived to be the best, through insult and injury, today, we JUST want to show we better than our neigbours...be it school, community, region, house, job, finance, party..."At least ah better than you"
In any society it isn't easy to stay focus, I away here for over 35 years, and it occurs in some cases here as well, yet, if we are to improve, we have to check and ascertain where we really are....and where we really want to be..
on football, if all we want to be is at the big party (WC), then the only people we might surpass is the ones we must to get there...
is only ah thought eh...I not stating ah fact....if ah wrong, please help meh with some guidance still.
WOW! WHAT A POST!!! :applause: :applause:
Honestly, peeps should read and DIGEST wha de man say here.
Much respeck maxg! :salute: :salute:
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The self haters was just waiting to come out.
Men saying is a horrible team and an indictment of the PFL, and Men against boys and had no business being on the same field and all kinda stupidness, like if Connection didn't EARN the right to play Chivas....The same W Connection they talking about that split a home and away series with one of the biggest clubs in the world. Lose by aggregate 1 goal. Chivas ress 4 on Boca the other day. I missing something yes.
The way I look at it, W Connection did what they had to do, ie, win at home, BUT Chivas did likewise.
Chivas won on the night...so be it. As far as I am concerned, Connection was competitive; yet again a TNT team competed with the "mighty" Mexicans and we will continue to strive forward.
The problem I have with all these haters is that they only seeing the negative. They aren't seeing any positives, because they blinded by self hate. They going out there looking for ting to hiss they teet at and missing ting to skin teet at.
Allyuh stay dey....according to one hater, "not every day is Sunday", but just like another "lucky" Trini team win Concacaf Club championship already....more than once too, and others have been "lucky enough" to beat other "superior technically" Mexican football teams and play in the final, another Trini team will be "lucky" again soon.
BIG UP CONNECTION!!
Better "luck" next time.
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they suck...and that the bottom line...
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better coaching???? not necessarily! Better environment more likely. Chivas plays in a very competitive league, it is as simple as that. They face quality every Saturday, so obviously speed of play, decision making, losing markers, making space, taking chances etc. becomes second nature.
Connection did their best and on the day it was not good enough. What wrong with that?
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The self haters was just waiting to come out.
Men saying is a horrible team and an indictment of the PFL, and Men against boys and had no business being on the same field and all kinda stupidness, like if Connection didn't EARN the right to play Chivas....The same W Connection they talking about that split a home and away series with one of the biggest clubs in the world. Lose by aggregate 1 goal. Chivas ress 4 on Boca the other day. I missing something yes.
The way I look at it, W Connection did what they had to do, ie, win at home, BUT Chivas did likewise.
Chivas won on the night...so be it. As far as I am concerned, Connection was competitive; yet again a TNT team competed with the "mighty" Mexicans and we will continue to strive forward.
The problem I have with all these haters is that they only seeing the negative. They aren't seeing any positives, because they blinded by self hate. They going out there looking for ting to hiss they teet at and missing ting to skin teet at.
Allyuh stay dey....according to one hater, "not every day is Sunday", but just like another "lucky" Trini team win Concacaf Club championship already....more than once too, and others have been "lucky enough" to beat other "superior technically" Mexican football teams and play in the final, another Trini team will be "lucky" again soon.
BIG UP CONNECTION!!
Better "luck" next time.
they did not get there by luck. they earned the right to be there ! A good performance but they met one better. when Hears lost to lennard was he a disgrace ? when frazier lost to Ali ? they lost to better performers ...
we are punching with heavier weights now ...stepping up in weight takes getting used to ...I agree W connection lost but i was proud to see a T&T team keeping the ball on the ground ...In charles we have finally gotten rid of de boom kick mentality ! So sign me up as well as a fan who was pleased even though we a step behind the opponent who is world ranked.
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ah feel yuh not sure what boom-kick really means or really didn't watch this last game..or just maybe I lost the plot...cause with our lone forward, having to contest more than 80% of passes in the air, if he was in the same timezone at all..and defenders just kicking the ball away...any where, in an effort to break-up opposing team play.used to be boomkick football in my book.....buh my book lil old eh.. :-[ .
however, I am under the impression, the defense may not have had much choice, given the tactical awareness and strategic offense of the chivas Team....so even if yuh mighta jus being sarcastic...it still not registering with me...no need to explain doh...we haven't yet or will ever hear what Fevrier actual strategy was, even if things didn't go according to our plan, so everything is hypotech. an point of view..
ps. thks palos...Interesting game on..dc vs cd
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I watch de whole game last night and ah rather pull teeth. Good effort connection, learn to string a few passes also!
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Watch meh, I was never so shocked as I was last night watching that game. WC had a nightmare. NO excuses. They play good my a#*. Simple awareness blatantly lacking. Fitness poor. Let me calm down.
Goalkeeping - Beckles young and he showed it last night. The 1stand 3rd goal should have never been. He is only 20 hopefully he will get better.
Defence - not a clue (drayton didi pretty okay in 1v1 situation), as a unit. Bad marking, losing forwarsd to easily, ball watching etc.
Midfield - Yet to see them. I was anticipating seeing Seabra but he was no where to be found. The Brazilian on the right appears to have not done any type of physical for a few years, he slower than me and cannot complete a pass. So to with Oliverra, passing very poor.
Earl Jean was missing, did not do anything, but I want to believe that he was playing as instructed.
Individual Tactics, players don't know when to play forward, where the point of attack should be, when to posess, when to play the long ball as oppose to the short. For some reason they could not pass the ball on the carpet, everything in the air. For over 90 % of the game we could not may more then 3 consecutive passes. They did not have to win the ball because we kept giving it back to them inside our half of the field.
Tactically I believe we employed the wrong approach. Looking at the game it would seem that Chivas had a spy in our camp because for some reason they seemed to know exactly how we were gonna play. I wonder why.
I am still wondering why we started the game defending on top our 18yds box. That was one of the biggest mistakes made. Why not play like a 4-5-1, and posess the ball in the midfield if we are so adamant on defending. After the 2nd goal why did we not populate the midfield.
I am really disappointed. I know I all over the place but, there is so much to say and I can't focus, cause I am still shocked at such a performance. Yes we were outclassed. Chivas players strolling around the field as though they going through some warm up drills before practice.
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The self haters was just waiting to come out.
Men saying is a horrible team and an indictment of the PFL, and Men against boys and had no business being on the same field and all kinda stupidness, like if Connection didn't EARN the right to play Chivas....The same W Connection they talking about that split a home and away series with one of the biggest clubs in the world. Lose by aggregate 1 goal. Chivas ress 4 on Boca the other day. I missing something yes.
The way I look at it, W Connection did what they had to do, ie, win at home, BUT Chivas did likewise.
Chivas won on the night...so be it. As far as I am concerned, Connection was competitive; yet again a TNT team competed with the "mighty" Mexicans and we will continue to strive forward.
The problem I have with all these haters is that they only seeing the negative. They aren't seeing any positives, because they blinded by self hate. They going out there looking for ting to hiss they teet at and missing ting to skin teet at.
Allyuh stay dey....according to one hater, "not every day is Sunday", but just like another "lucky" Trini team win Concacaf Club championship already....more than once too, and others have been "lucky enough" to beat other "superior technically" Mexican football teams and play in the final, another Trini team will be "lucky" again soon.
BIG UP CONNECTION!!
Better "luck" next time.
ah like how when yuh criticize, you're a hater.....
If yuh want the team to lose, you're a hater...if you're frustrated by a pathetic performance and yuh voice yuh frustration via criticsm, that's something totally different.
why can't we let people share their views without gettin' up on the "ultimate fan" high horse...
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This really frustrating to me because I witnessing some ridiculous statements. Chivas is a powerhouse in World Football and you want a team from T&T with not nearly as much resources, less experience and playing at a lower standard week in week out, to come and run over Chivas Mexico which have built a tradition in football over the last 20 years? Are you guys kidding me? I know Hughton Hector playing small minor league football long time....Connection give the man a chance to play against Chivas?! Men dare to belittle that? Mexico reach second round World Cup and Chivas had 6 internationals! Connection had couple island internationals who collectively might not even amount 100 caps between everybody. I appauld Connection in everyway...I even applaud the way they went out the competition...JahYouth talking about the ills of T&T football, that is why Connection whip Chivas ass in Trini(albeit they got beaten second round)...T&T football just need a proper structure and W Connection is one of the clubs which introduce structure and professionalism and this got them to where they were against Chivas...You know if clubs like Barca play Chivas and get beaten and got outplayed men will say that some petty statements and not try to totally belittle them as they did with Connection...But because is a T&T club...The thing people doesn't even know when they hating or sounding like they are..."Thank God for small mercies" something that you jokers should learn...JahYouth, I simpitize with you when you say that T&T football need structure because it does, BUT I can't agree with you trying to pull down an achievement of drastic proportions made by W-Connection football club...That is just bitter....Connection, I hope will learn from this experience and will improve(it will most likely happen)...I very proud....Go T&T!!!
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Now if only you could apply that trend of thinking to the national team and wim's dilemma ... you defend W connection but you attack wim all out with our mercy
where you stand now eh Ponnoxx .... i ketch yuh
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I don't think that are disappointed with the loss are as upset with the actual loss itself as much as they are with the way Connection lost the game. Maybe we are making progress (in some people's views) by actually competing against a footballing giant in Chivas and lose, but certain mistakes shouldn't still be being made. Some posters have pointed out that T&T clubs like Defence Force and Police and even Connection themselves have enjoyed success in the past, and that is fine. However, having attained such heights should have established a platform or standard level upon which we use to then take our game to the next level. Indeed, there were times when Connection looked like the had no clue as to being able to string a few passes together to play the ball out of their defensive third of the field.......something they should well be able to do by now...........in their sleep. I don't think anybody questions our ability as a country to produce talented players, but we haven't seemed to have learned how to take that talent and turn it into a skill. The problem is systemic, not characteristic to Connection. It's the exposure of some of our fundamental flaws in development that have alot of us fuming, not the fact that Connection actually lost the game.
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(sorry, this was my ans to noxx)
Mr. i think a lot of comments were based more towards T&T football than W Connection football... sure, W Connection may ( or may not improve) but I think what most people are more concerned about was how far back T&T football has to also equally improve from.
The unfortunate thing here is that some ppl are using W Connection as the sole measure of T&T football, when in fact, they were only the most recently successful CLUB team in a particular T&T football league..I don't think that the guys who play the lower leagues are no good, even if they don't get the same level of exposure....in addition note, the amount of foreigners - therefore a different combination, mindsets and style - which in some cases may be just enough to make a team successfull...
They may be an indicator, but not the only such....
Is Hector in the top 25 at his position in T&T football, or the top at his position with this particular combination of players around him in the PFL ?
I think the latter and all kudos to him for achieving this. Hope he takes his game another level, and get on our National team.
yet to think ppl are jokers or haters because they have a different opinion or perspective to you.....is a bit presumptious.....tho some ppl think I'm(or was) a pompous ass...ah ass, ok...buh pompous, bro... ;D
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Mr. i think a lot of comments were based more towards T&T football than W Connection football... sure, W Connection may ( or may not improve) but I think what most people are more concerned about was how far back T&T football has to also equally improve from.
The unfortunate thing here is that some ppl are using W Connection as the sole measure of T&T football, when in fact, they were only the most recently successful CLUB team in a particular T&T football league..I don't think that the guys who play the lower leagues are no good, even if they don't get the same level of exposure....in addition note, the amount of foreigners - therefore a different combination, mindsets and style - which in some cases may be just enough to make a team successfull...
They may be an indicator, but not the only such....
Is Hector in the top 25 at his position in T&T football, or the top at his position with this particular combination of players around him in the PFL ?
I think the latter and all kudos to him for achieving this. Hope he takes his game another level, and get on our National team.
yet to think ppl are jokers or haters because they have a different opinion or perspective to you.....is a bit presumptious.....tho some ppl think I'm(or was) a pompous ass...ah ass, ok...buh pompous, bro... ;D
I thought it was understood that i and people at large are actually talking about T&T football as opposed to Connection itself. I know every posting I put up about this type talks about our football "....from a cultural perspective..." Today it's connection, yesterday it was the Nationl Team in the Digicel cup, tomorrow it will be the Under-17's and the day after that it will be the senior team in Gold Cup, etc., etc. No matter which team we put in place, the indictment of our football as a whole remains the same.
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(sorry, this was my ans to noxx)
Mr. i think a lot of comments were based more towards T&T football than W Connection football... sure, W Connection may ( or may not improve) but I think what most people are more concerned about was how far back T&T football has to also equally improve from.
The unfortunate thing here is that some ppl are using W Connection as the sole measure of T&T football, when in fact, they were only the most recently successful CLUB team in a particular T&T football league..I don't think that the guys who play the lower leagues are no good, even if they don't get the same level of exposure....in addition note, the amount of foreigners - therefore a different combination, mindsets and style - which in some cases may be just enough to make a team successfull...
They may be an indicator, but not the only such....
Is Hector in the top 25 at his position in T&T football, or the top at his position with this particular combination of players around him in the PFL ?
I think the latter and all kudos to him for achieving this. Hope he takes his game another level, and get on our National team.
yet to think ppl are jokers or haters because they have a different opinion or perspective to you.....is a bit presumptious.....tho some ppl think I'm(or was) a pompous ass...ah ass, ok...buh pompous, bro... ;D
When you hold something dear to your heart it is often very difficult to stomach criticism of it. I think all the posters on this board (the Trini ones) support T&T with all they have....but everyone deals with disappointment differently. Some people (like me at times) get vex and start lighting fire under every man jack tail....some people sit back and keep quiet, some people look on the bright side and just give thanks for what we've achieved...it's all a matter of personality and preference. All in all, as a board, collectively we strike a good balance.
At the end of the day, every Trini on this board will wear red, and live & die by our boys.....and I think we all know this and accept this. The whole idea of labeling people haters in a situation like this is just a knee jerk reaction when exposed to a different personality, different style, or different way of dealing with disappointment. We all stand for the same thing......
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noxx?(yuh know how long somebody int say that way :beermug:) anyhow
T&T football needs improvement through better structuring, top to bottom, everybody who alive know that BUT W-Connection went up against the Chivas and the majority of people didn't fully back them but instead gave a kinda restrained support by saying "They would get beaten" before the match even played...Just imagine a team from YOUR own country and guys have the balls to fight them down before they kick a ball...It seemed to me that you wanted them to lose to prove a point...People wonder why PFL football doesn't draw crowds...Thats your answer! I mean if I were a baller what kinda impetus would i get to play football? I know if people do come to the games they just coming to fight down, not giving any 'real' support and expect nothing of me...I remember school football teams like Naps and Benedicts playing...people on the side of the field , all on th track pack....Skinner Park full...people supporting football....People formed an atmosphere that got the best out of the players...I not saying this is sole reason why PFL football is not as good as it SHOULD BE because other factors lacking also...I think coaching is a BIG problem...we need to focus more on fundamentals blah blah blah....This is where waggonism lies ...The whole of T&T should have been behind Connection...Fight to get tickets, stands pack, Riddim playing all over, flags ....triniman always on my case about why I does always 'cry' for south football but down from where I from we came back out with a team...every game we used to have our supporters with us...Fellas from on that team play for SWIF...people from by us going to watch(trust me transport, roads etc not easy)....Toussaint playing for Connection, big maxis full going to watch the man play...It didn't happen every week because resources against most of time.......Minor league football in Gonzalez(where Hector from ) people surrounding the pitch...real support....Point Fortin don't have a good field, transport hard, but people still going games(minor league)....that is support .....People going to games and forming an atmosphere....Support is backing a team, regardless...Connection may have not been your favourite team but they were representing T&T and the PFL...Your Country! and the it wasn't a case of supporting regardless...You guys want to take example of better standards of football than the PFL, you should also take an example of the support they get....If Wigan happen reach UEFA finals(someday) everybody in England want them to win it...regardless of who you support...Even if they were unlikely finalists and they playing a superior standard club...Nobody not wishing they will lose to say bad things and point fingers...Connection didn't have the best showing but they make me proud ....Go T&T
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noxx?(yuh know how long somebody int say that way :beermug:) anyhow
T&T football needs improvement through better structuring, top to bottom, everybody who alive know that BUT W-Connection went up against the Chivas and the majority of people didn't fully back them but instead gave a kinda restrained support by saying "They would get beaten" before the match even played...Just imagine a team from YOUR own country and guys have the balls to fight them down before they kick a ball...It seemed to me that you wanted them to lose to prove a point...People wonder why PFL football doesn't draw crowds...Thats your answer! I mean if I were a baller what kinda impetus would i get to play football? I know if people do come to the games they just coming to fight down, not giving any 'real' support and expect nothing of me...I remember school football teams like Naps and Benedicts playing...people on the side of the field , all on th track pack....Skinner Park full...people supporting football....People formed an atmosphere that got the best out of the players...I not saying this is sole reason why PFL football is not as good as it SHOULD BE because other factors lacking also...I think coaching is a BIG problem...we need to focus more on fundamentals blah blah blah....This is where waggonism lies ...The whole of T&T should have been behind Connection...Fight to get tickets, stands pack, Riddim playing all over, flags ....triniman always on my case about why I does always 'cry' for south football but down from where I from we came back out with a team...every game we used to have our supporters with us...Fellas from on that team play for SWIF...people from by us going to watch(trust me transport, roads etc not easy)....Toussaint playing for Connection, big maxis full going to watch the man play...It didn't happen every week because resources against most of time.......Minor league football in Gonzalez(where Hector from ) people surrounding the pitch...real support....Point Fortin don't have a good field, transport hard, but people still going games(minor league)....that is support .....People going to games and forming an atmosphere....Support is backing a team, regardless...Connection may have not been your favourite team but they were representing T&T and the PFL...Your Country! and the it wasn't a case of supporting regardless...You guys want to take example of better standards of football than the PFL, you should also take an example of the support they get....If Wigan happen reach UEFA finals(someday) everybody in England want them to win it...regardless of who you support...Even if they were unlikely finalists and they playing a superior standard club...Nobody not wishing they will lose to say bad things and point fingers...Connection didn't have the best showing but they make me proud ....Go T&T
Point made...point taken
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A couple years ago Petrotrin came to DC a gave a "connection-like first game performance". They drop back in defence and counter attack whenever possible. It almost worked. They lost 1-0 in the 85th min. Echevery and company tried to wear down Petro. but they held fiim until the goal.
Brian Williams was super. I think McCommie was in goal. He made some spirit save to keep them in the game. The few TT supporters who went were real proud. Vidale used that strategy because he knew the limitations of his squad.
The next Joe Public come. They did the opposite. They went out attacking DC. They end up getting about 6. It could have been more. But say wha!! I stayed till the very end. I ain't hide or leave early. It was a TT team. I support them I didnot know the guys except Keth Lookloy. That is Jack team and most of all yuh love Jack. Yeh right.
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A couple years ago Petrotrin came to DC a gave a "connection-like first game performance". They drop back in defence and counter attack whenever possible. It almost worked. They lost 1-0 in the 85th min. Echevery and company tried to wear down Petro. but they held fiim until the goal.
Brian Williams was super. I think McCommie was in goal. He made some spirit save to keep them in the game. The few TT supporters who went were real proud. Vidale used that strategy because he knew the limitations of his squad.
The next Joe Public come. They did the opposite. They went out attacking DC. They end up getting about 6. It could have been more. But say wha!! I stayed till the very end. I ain't hide or leave early. It was a TT team. I support them I didnot know the guys except Keth Lookloy. That is Jack team and most of all yuh love Jack. Yeh right.
It was Ken Francis in goal and he was stellar(even doh dey scored on him in de dregs) I was there for that one. Petrotrin had a golden opportunity squandered in the opening mins of that game too.
BTW Joe Public collected 8 that night, but the Trinis in the stadium still fete like we win de game :beermug: