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http://news.bn.gs/article.php?story=20070408234107853
PRETORIA, Republic of South Africa (April 8, 2007) — On April 24, 2007, the President of the Republic of South Africa, His Excellency Thabo Mvuyelwa Mbeki, will bestow posthumously on Dr. Eric Williams, the first Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago, South Africa’s SUPREME ORDER OF THE COMPANIONS OF O.R. TAMBO (Gold). The tribute, in recognition of Dr. Williams’ commitment to peace and co-operation, and his inspiration to South Africa’s own quest for unity and harmony, will be received by his daughter, Erica Williams Connell in Pretoria.
A noted Caribbean statesman, consummate historian and head of government for a quarter of a century until his death in 1981, Dr. Williams was consistently passionate in his denouncement of and activism against apartheid. He led his country to Independence from Britain in 1962 and onto Republicanism in 1976. His seminal work, Capitalism and Slavery (taught in South Africa as a means of resistance during that era and translated into eight languages – Russian, Chinese, Japanese and Korean, among them), according to Duke University Professor William Darity, “…must be addressed by any serious scholar of slavery and the slave trade,”
“The vision…during our struggle for liberation was…strikingly similar to the vision of that great West Indian historian and prime minister, Eric Williams…[who] directly addressed the great diversity of his country in the cause of national unity:
‘There can be no Mother India for those whose ancestors came from India. There can be no Mother Africa for those of African origin. There can be no Mother England and no dual loyalties. There can be no Mother China even if one could agree as to which China is the Mother; and there can be no Mother Syria and no Mother Lebanon. A nation, like an individual, can have only one Mother and Mother cannot discriminate between her children.’
This is the wisdom that we too apply, in our quest for a single South Africa,” wrote President
Mbeki in his Foreword to the 2005 book: Timol: A Quest for Justice by Imtiaz Cajee.
Dr. Williams’ example continues to be a force in South Africa’s fight against hegemony, and the President praised Williams for the latter’s untiring efforts in this regard in his 2005 feature address at the 50th anniversary of the Bandung Conference, which marked a turning point in the mobilization of Third World peoples against imperialism - both past and present.
Instituted by President Mbeki to reflect the new spirit of South Africa, to create a history of South Africa’s achievements, and to provide motivation to future citizens, the Supreme Order of the Companions of O.R. Tambo can be offered in three classes, of which the ‘Gold’ is the pinnacle. It is reserved specifically for foreign nationals and dignitaries - to persons who have made an exceptional contribution to the struggle against apartheid and non-racial democracy in South Africa, and who have established their active expression of friendship towards the Republic.
The award is named after the late Oliver Reginald Tambo, president of the African National Congress in exile. Tambo was highly instrumental in giving a voice to the international movement against racism and apartheid. The Majola, or mole snake, is its symbol. In African mythology, the Majola visits new born babies to prepare them for a safe and successful life. Along with the oval badge, which depicts the watchful Majola and the universal ying and yang, symbolizing the consolidation of diverse spiritual energy, recipients receive a carved walking stick representing the country’s appreciation for the support and solidarity demonstrated, and its pledge of reciprocation. Previous foreign awardees include Mahatma Gandhi, former Zambian President Kenneth Kaunda (with whose assistance President Mbeki escaped into exile in England in the early sixties) and the late Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme. The distinction paid to Eric Williams at this time underscores President Mbeki’s intellectual traditions, at a time when South Africa has gained a seat on the United Nations Security Council.
Thabo Mbeki succeeded Nelson Mandela as the second democratic president of South Africa in 1999 and was re-elected for a second term in 2004. Like Dr.Williams, President Mbeki is considered to be an academic who has fought hard for peace and unity in South Africa. His forthcoming official biography by Ronald Suresh Roberts will be dedicated to Eric Williams.
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" ‘There can be no Mother India for those whose ancestors came from India. There can be no Mother Africa for those of African origin. There can be no Mother England and no dual loyalties. There can be no Mother China even if one could agree as to which China is the Mother; and there can be no Mother Syria and no Mother Lebanon. A nation, like an individual, can have only one Mother and Mother cannot discriminate between her children.’ "
very well said Father.
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The article fails to mention among Dr. Eric Williams' many accolades....that he is a QRC Man! ;) All jokes aside though, this is truly an honour for our country, not unlike the Black Star on the Ghanian flag being representitive of "The Black Star Trading Company" (correction?) as founded by Marcus Garvey.
:applause: :applause:
" ‘There can be no Mother India for those whose ancestors came from India. There can be no Mother Africa for those of African origin. There can be no Mother England and no dual loyalties. There can be no Mother China even if one could agree as to which China is the Mother; and there can be no Mother Syria and no Mother Lebanon. A nation, like an individual, can have only one Mother and Mother cannot discriminate between her children.’ "
very well said Father.
Ditto!
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It amazes me that so many years after a man dies he is still being bestowed with accolades. He was a great man indeed.
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Here here here!!!!!! What another honour for one of our eldery stateman, our nation and our heritage. An educator, and a leader I truly admired from my youthful days.
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It amazes me that so many years after a man dies he is still being bestowed with accolades. He was a great man indeed.
I was tempted to start my post with: "Politics aside...." but decided to leave politics out of it and go a little more on the humorous side instead. The man is probably Our country's greatest scholars.
P.S. Jah Gol, lemme tief yuh caption bout de "Copa" nuh? Ah go change de picture becuz I duz only wear de "World Cup", and being a ex military man meself....... ;D
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It amazes me that so many years after a man dies he is still being bestowed with accolades. He was a great man indeed.
I was tempted to start my post with: "Politics aside...." but decided to leave politics out of it and go a little more on the humorous side instead. The man is probably Our country's greatest scholars. P.S. Jah Gol, lemme tief yuh caption bout de "Copa" nuh? Ah go change de picture becuz I duz only wear de "World Cup", and being a ex military man meself....... ;D
i would argue CLR JAmes was the greatest scholar of trinidad and tobago
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It amazes me that so many years after a man dies he is still being bestowed with accolades. He was a great man indeed.
I was tempted to start my post with: "Politics aside...." but decided to leave politics out of it and go a little more on the humorous side instead. The man is probably Our country's greatest scholars. P.S. Jah Gol, lemme tief yuh caption bout de "Copa" nuh? Ah go change de picture becuz I duz only wear de "World Cup", and being a ex military man meself....... ;D
i would argue CLR JAmes was the greatest scholar of trinidad and tobago
Well, Hoe, (in my best Don Imus tone ;D no hard feelings) yuh might could argue dat.....but yuh jes replacin' one QRC Man.....with another! (doh take me on I jes' on kicks) but you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I think that more scholarly men than myself can make a case for either of these great scholars. :beermug: :beermug: Respek.
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It amazes me that so many years after a man dies he is still being bestowed with accolades. He was a great man indeed.
I was tempted to start my post with: "Politics aside...." but decided to leave politics out of it and go a little more on the humorous side instead. The man is probably Our country's greatest scholars. P.S. Jah Gol, lemme tief yuh caption bout de "Copa" nuh? Ah go change de picture becuz I duz only wear de "World Cup", and being a ex military man meself....... ;D
i would argue CLR JAmes was the greatest scholar of trinidad and tobago
now THAT is a heavyweight battle. black jacobins vs. capitalism and slavery.
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Does one have to be better? Can't we just delight in the fact that our nation has produced such immense educational talent for the world?
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It amazes me that so many years after a man dies he is still being bestowed with accolades. He was a great man indeed.
I was tempted to start my post with: "Politics aside...." but decided to leave politics out of it and go a little more on the humorous side instead. The man is probably Our country's greatest scholars. P.S. Jah Gol, lemme tief yuh caption bout de "Copa" nuh? Ah go change de picture becuz I duz only wear de "World Cup", and being a ex military man meself....... ;D
i would argue CLR JAmes was the greatest scholar of trinidad and tobago
Well, Hoe, (in my best Don Imus tone ;D no hard feelings) yuh might could argue dat.....but yuh jes replacin' one QRC Man.....with another! (doh take me on I jes' on kicks) but you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I think that more scholarly men than myself can make a case for either of these great scholars. :beermug: :beermug: Respek.
lol..i hear u. BUt tirni ahve so much shcolars that go unhearld(is that ah word?) or not enough so.
look at Loyd best
like him or not ANR robinson
selwyn ryan
feel free to ad more ;D
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Does one have to be better? Can't we just delight in the fact that our nation has produced such immense educational talent for the world?
yes one has to be better
and no we cannot just delight in the fact :P :P
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Does one have to be better? Can't we just delight in the fact that our nation has produced such immense educational talent for the world?
i think history done answer that one.
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Does one have to be better? Can't we just delight in the fact that our nation has produced such immense educational talent for the world?
i think history done answer that one.
WHAT WAS HSITORY ANSwer I MISSED IT?
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Eat that Bas!
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It amazes me that so many years after a man dies he is still being bestowed with accolades. He was a great man indeed.
I was tempted to start my post with: "Politics aside...." but decided to leave politics out of it and go a little more on the humorous side instead. The man is probably Our country's greatest scholars.
P.S. Jah Gol, lemme tief yuh caption bout de "Copa" nuh? Ah go change de picture becuz I duz only wear de "World Cup", and being a ex military man meself....... ;D
:rotfl: you big up boss
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Eat that Bas!
More than 2 decades after Williams died he is still respected. Twenty year after Panday dead we go still wondering how Bas get all that money in he bank account.
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Does one have to be better? Can't we just delight in the fact that our nation has produced such immense educational talent for the world?
i think history done answer that one.
WHAT WAS HSITORY ANSwer I MISSED IT?
well, james was marginalized in both usa and trinidad. williams is the father of the nation.
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It amazes me that so many years after a man dies he is still being bestowed with accolades. He was a great man indeed.
I was tempted to start my post with: "Politics aside...." but decided to leave politics out of it and go a little more on the humorous side instead. The man is probably Our country's greatest scholars. P.S. Jah Gol, lemme tief yuh caption bout de "Copa" nuh? Ah go change de picture becuz I duz only wear de "World Cup", and being a ex military man meself....... ;D
i would argue CLR JAmes was the greatest scholar of trinidad and tobago
Well, Hoe, (in my best Don Imus tone ;D no hard feelings) yuh might could argue dat.....but yuh jes replacin' one QRC Man.....with another! (doh take me on I jes' on kicks) but you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I think that more scholarly men than myself can make a case for either of these great scholars. :beermug: :beermug: Respek.
And with the recent passing of Lloyd Best, yet another QRC giant.
Allyuh ready for we?
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It amazes me that so many years after a man dies he is still being bestowed with accolades. He was a great man indeed.
I was tempted to start my post with: "Politics aside...." but decided to leave politics out of it and go a little more on the humorous side instead. The man is probably Our country's greatest scholars. P.S. Jah Gol, lemme tief yuh caption bout de "Copa" nuh? Ah go change de picture becuz I duz only wear de "World Cup", and being a ex military man meself....... ;D
i would argue CLR JAmes was the greatest scholar of trinidad and tobago
Well, Hoe, (in my best Don Imus tone ;D no hard feelings) yuh might could argue dat.....but yuh jes replacin' one QRC Man.....with another! (doh take me on I jes' on kicks) but you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I think that more scholarly men than myself can make a case for either of these great scholars. :beermug: :beermug: Respek.
lol..i hear u. BUt tirni ahve so much shcolars that go unhearld(is that ah word?) or not enough so.
look at Loyd best
like him or not ANR robinson
selwyn ryan
feel free to ad more ;D
Hoe, I have to disagree wit yuh on dat one........ANR did his legacy a major disservice by repealing the law that forbid foreign nationals from purchasing property in T&T. That was a disastrous misstep that showed absolutely no foresight whatsoever. He hadda come off de list fuh dat one move alone.
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It amazes me that so many years after a man dies he is still being bestowed with accolades. He was a great man indeed.
I was tempted to start my post with: "Politics aside...." but decided to leave politics out of it and go a little more on the humorous side instead. The man is probably Our country's greatest scholars. P.S. Jah Gol, lemme tief yuh caption bout de "Copa" nuh? Ah go change de picture becuz I duz only wear de "World Cup", and being a ex military man meself....... ;D
i would argue CLR JAmes was the greatest scholar of trinidad and tobago
Well, Hoe, (in my best Don Imus tone ;D no hard feelings) yuh might could argue dat.....but yuh jes replacin' one QRC Man.....with another! (doh take me on I jes' on kicks) but you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I think that more scholarly men than myself can make a case for either of these great scholars. :beermug: :beermug: Respek.
lol..i hear u. BUt tirni ahve so much shcolars that go unhearld(is that ah word?) or not enough so.
look at Loyd best
like him or not ANR robinson
selwyn ryan
feel free to ad more ;D
Hoe, I have to disagree wit yuh on dat one........ANR did his legacy a major disservice by repealing the law that forbid foreign nationals from purchasing property in T&T. That was a disastrous misstep that showed absolutely no foresight whatsoever. He hadda come off de list fuh dat one move alone.
international crimminal court?? wasnt that foresight?
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It amazes me that so many years after a man dies he is still being bestowed with accolades. He was a great man indeed.
I was tempted to start my post with: "Politics aside...." but decided to leave politics out of it and go a little more on the humorous side instead. The man is probably Our country's greatest scholars. P.S. Jah Gol, lemme tief yuh caption bout de "Copa" nuh? Ah go change de picture becuz I duz only wear de "World Cup", and being a ex military man meself....... ;D
i would argue CLR JAmes was the greatest scholar of trinidad and tobago
Well, Hoe, (in my best Don Imus tone ;D no hard feelings) yuh might could argue dat.....but yuh jes replacin' one QRC Man.....with another! (doh take me on I jes' on kicks) but you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I think that more scholarly men than myself can make a case for either of these great scholars. :beermug: :beermug: Respek.
lol..i hear u. BUt tirni ahve so much shcolars that go unhearld(is that ah word?) or not enough so.
look at Loyd best
like him or not ANR robinson
selwyn ryan
feel free to ad more ;D
Hoe, I have to disagree wit yuh on dat one........ANR did his legacy a major disservice by repealing the law that forbid foreign nationals from purchasing property in T&T. That was a disastrous misstep that showed absolutely no foresight whatsoever. He hadda come off de list fuh dat one move alone.
international crimminal court?? wasnt that foresight?
I think we are far more susceptible to economic exploitation in an open market if we don't shore up our defenses and fortify home base before setting our legacies outside than we are vulnerable to the acts that warrant the need for an ICC. IMHO. Respek still.
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It amazes me that so many years after a man dies he is still being bestowed with accolades. He was a great man indeed.
I was tempted to start my post with: "Politics aside...." but decided to leave politics out of it and go a little more on the humorous side instead. The man is probably Our country's greatest scholars. P.S. Jah Gol, lemme tief yuh caption bout de "Copa" nuh? Ah go change de picture becuz I duz only wear de "World Cup", and being a ex military man meself....... ;D
i would argue CLR JAmes was the greatest scholar of trinidad and tobago
Well, Hoe, (in my best Don Imus tone ;D no hard feelings) yuh might could argue dat.....but yuh jes replacin' one QRC Man.....with another! (doh take me on I jes' on kicks) but you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I think that more scholarly men than myself can make a case for either of these great scholars. :beermug: :beermug: Respek.
lol..i hear u. BUt tirni ahve so much shcolars that go unhearld(is that ah word?) or not enough so.
look at Loyd best
like him or not ANR robinson
selwyn ryan
feel free to ad more ;D
Hoe, I have to disagree wit yuh on dat one........ANR did his legacy a major disservice by repealing the law that forbid foreign nationals from purchasing property in T&T. That was a disastrous misstep that showed absolutely no foresight whatsoever. He hadda come off de list fuh dat one move alone.
No one's perfect boss. Lest we discuss Eric's miscalculations. I doubt it's appropriate for this thread though.
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No one's perfect boss. Lest we discuss Eric's miscalculations. I doubt it's appropriate for this thread though.
Agree with you on that.
It is good to praise people for the right things (things mentioned here)...but dangerous to deny errors(other threads for that).
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It amazes me that so many years after a man dies he is still being bestowed with accolades. He was a great man indeed.
I was tempted to start my post with: "Politics aside...." but decided to leave politics out of it and go a little more on the humorous side instead. The man is probably Our country's greatest scholars. P.S. Jah Gol, lemme tief yuh caption bout de "Copa" nuh? Ah go change de picture becuz I duz only wear de "World Cup", and being a ex military man meself....... ;D
i would argue CLR JAmes was the greatest scholar of trinidad and tobago
Well, Hoe, (in my best Don Imus tone ;D no hard feelings) yuh might could argue dat.....but yuh jes replacin' one QRC Man.....with another! (doh take me on I jes' on kicks) but you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I think that more scholarly men than myself can make a case for either of these great scholars. :beermug: :beermug: Respek.
lol..i hear u. BUt tirni ahve so much shcolars that go unhearld(is that ah word?) or not enough so.
look at Loyd best
like him or not ANR robinson
selwyn ryan
feel free to ad more ;D
Hoe, I have to disagree wit yuh on dat one........ANR did his legacy a major disservice by repealing the law that forbid foreign nationals from purchasing property in T&T. That was a disastrous misstep that showed absolutely no foresight whatsoever. He hadda come off de list fuh dat one move alone.
international crimminal court?? wasnt that foresight?
I think we are far more susceptible to economic exploitation in an open market if we don't shore up our defenses and fortify home base before setting our legacies outside than we are vulnerable to the acts that warrant the need for an ICC. IMHO. Respek still.
what about de valuing de dollar. people liek to complai but that save de economy as far as i hear repsetced economists say. he was the most unpopular president for that. isnt that foresight also..or even courage
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It amazes me that so many years after a man dies he is still being bestowed with accolades. He was a great man indeed.
I was tempted to start my post with: "Politics aside...." but decided to leave politics out of it and go a little more on the humorous side instead. The man is probably Our country's greatest scholars. P.S. Jah Gol, lemme tief yuh caption bout de "Copa" nuh? Ah go change de picture becuz I duz only wear de "World Cup", and being a ex military man meself....... ;D
i would argue CLR JAmes was the greatest scholar of trinidad and tobago
Well, Hoe, (in my best Don Imus tone ;D no hard feelings) yuh might could argue dat.....but yuh jes replacin' one QRC Man.....with another! (doh take me on I jes' on kicks) but you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I think that more scholarly men than myself can make a case for either of these great scholars. :beermug: :beermug: Respek.
lol..i hear u. BUt tirni ahve so much shcolars that go unhearld(is that ah word?) or not enough so.
look at Loyd best
like him or not ANR robinson
selwyn ryan
feel free to ad more ;D
Hoe, I have to disagree wit yuh on dat one........ANR did his legacy a major disservice by repealing the law that forbid foreign nationals from purchasing property in T&T. That was a disastrous misstep that showed absolutely no foresight whatsoever. He hadda come off de list fuh dat one move alone.
international crimminal court?? wasnt that foresight?
I think we are far more susceptible to economic exploitation in an open market if we don't shore up our defenses and fortify home base before setting our legacies outside than we are vulnerable to the acts that warrant the need for an ICC. IMHO. Respek still.
what about de valuing de dollar. people liek to complai but that save de economy as far as i hear repsetced economists say. he was the most unpopular president for that. isnt that foresight also..or even courage
I still don't see that it has really helped us in the long run. We are still slowly but surely being purchased and summarily influenced out of our heritage. Pretty soon, people back home are not going to be able to afford property any where within our shores. No matter what we do with the fluctuation or stability of our dollar in principle, there are certain arenas that we cannot afford to try to compete in, and when we have people at home working for less than 2.00 U$ dollars an hour competing with millionaires on the free market for the retention of their own land, it really doesn't matter to me what our dollar is doing. To me, it can't be good for us in the long run. One of the first thing that Dr. Williamsdid was to tell the americans to get out of our home. In the bigger scheme of things, I can fully appreciate him haveing done that and I would like to think (after having done my time here) that I understand why. Respek still again. :beermug:
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steups........williams was no more than ah friggin dictator.tell that african keep they award.
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steups........williams was no more than ah friggin dictator.tell that african keep they award.
capo, if yuh went to school for free in Trinidad, or ever receive school feeding or book grant then you have the Doctor to thank.
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steups........williams was no more than ah friggin dictator.tell that african keep they award.
capo, if yuh went to school for free in Trinidad, or ever receive school feeding or book grant then you have the Doctor to thank.
i neva receive any of the above.
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steups........williams was no more than ah friggin dictator.tell that african keep they award.
capo, if yuh went to school for free in Trinidad, or ever receive school feeding or book grant then you have the Doctor to thank.
i neva receive any of the above.
I'm curious. Why didn't you ?
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steups........williams was no more than ah friggin dictator.tell that african keep they award.
capo, if yuh went to school for free in Trinidad, or ever receive school feeding or book grant then you have the Doctor to thank.
that is debateable.
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steups........williams was no more than ah friggin dictator.tell that african keep they award.
capo, if yuh went to school for free in Trinidad, or ever receive school feeding or book grant then you have the Doctor to thank.
i neva receive any of the above.
I'm curious. Why didn't you ?
:whistling: ....probably didn't go to school... :whistling:
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steups........williams was no more than ah friggin dictator.tell that african keep they award.
capo, if yuh went to school for free in Trinidad, or ever receive school feeding or book grant then you have the Doctor to thank.
i neva receive any of the above.
Capo, what secondary school you went to in TnT?
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De express really late wit this one...check the date when I originally posted this topic and now check the date the Express is posting this topic
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161134003
South Africa to honour Williams and Ramphal
Rickey Singh
Monday, April 23rd 2007
SOUTH Africa will tomorrow confer its highest national honour, posthumously on Trinidad and Tobago's longest serving Prime Minister, Dr Eric Williams, and also on Sir Shridath Ramphal, former three-term Commonwealth Secretary General.
They will receive from President Thabo Mbeki at a state ceremony, "The Order of the Companions of OR Tambo" for their respective outstanding contributions against apartheid, racism and peace and friendship.
The award, named after the late Oliver Tambo, one of the founding leaders of the African National Congress (ANC) and a most influential international mobiliser for years against South Africa's heinous apartheid system, is normally awarded in three categories-Gold, Silver and Bronze.
Williams, author of Capitalism and Slavery and father of Trinidad and Tobago's Independence, and Ramphal, former Chancellor of the University of the West Indies as well as chairman of The West Indian Commission, will both receive the OR Tambo in gold from President Mbeki.
They will, therefore, join the two former Caricom leaders to have been similarly honoured, posthumously in 2004-President Cheddi Jagan of Guyana and Prime Minister Michael Manley of Jamaica.
Williams' daughter, Erica, is expected to receive the award on behalf of her father who died in 1981.Â
Before leaving for South Africa at the weekend from Barbados where he now lives with his family, the former Guyana Foreign Minister and Attorney General told the Express: "I feel specially honoured, an honour I share with the Caribbean people who gave me much strong support in all I did....In a sense, the Tambo Award is for the Caribbean and the wider Common-wealth."
Ramphal is the first Caribbean national to receive the OR Tambo Award which was initially granted to leaders of government.
Other exceptions to the list of world personalities include America's great civil rights leader, the late Martin Luther King, and former United Nations Secretary General, Kofi Annan.
All of the three classes of the OR Tambo Award consist of four elements-a walking stick, neck badge, miniature and a lapel rosette.