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Sports => Football => Topic started by: KND2 on July 26, 2005, 07:48:50 AM
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the proof have to be on the field.
Too say the pro league is not the same standard as foreign based is too broad a statement.
Looking at the games I not seeing a difference in how the men and them performing on the field.
Based on the TnT Matches I have seen in World cup Qualifying I not seeing no big Standard difference.
The USA first game
Local based man like Piere play real good in the defense, Rojas was also local based at that time and he perform well.
Eve and Theobald Local based also perform much better than Stern and Jones and that was in 1/5 the playing time.
The next game I saw was the Mexico game
Charles look good in the right back
And Theobald aint look no worst than Carlos on the other wing.
Yes the league have no competion outside of the top 4-5 teams but the good players in the league are just as good as some of the foreign based.
Fact is Charles, Theobald, piere or any other good local could get a contract tomorrow and then all of a sudden they good enough to make the side.
What is required is not someone to look at the competition between the teams and the level of play but rather someone who has the vision to see a good player within the "weeds"
Bennie man Talking shit
Yorke and Stern will not take up to the world cup between the 2 of them they have scored 2 goals in 5 matches
and going back to the last 10 WCQ or so Stern has 4 or 5 goals and Yorke on 0.
This will not get it done.
Drop Yorke to Midfield, I will still start Stern and I will put either a new Forward or Glen up front with him.
We need a young Cornel Glen or Colin Samuel, when these men was fighting to come through they used to buss net like crazy, now they just cruising crusing , because they get "Professional"
We need the raw talant, a wild and desperate youth who looking for the contract not a season professional who just posting up making square pass and waiting for good cross ball to nod in.
What is that Shit!
This is new to bennie man but many of us on this site have been here before.
in 1998 Yorke and Stern only posting up on Lallas down in Virginia
In 2002 Yorke and Stern again Still posting up no damn goals.
TnT looks good when we play men who can run at defenders with speed, Teams like the US and Mexico are good at defending passing balls and crossing balls etc
But put speed and dribbing one on one in the ass and they start to fall apart the last 15 min of the first US match prove that to me.
The US was Dead and Burried in that match we just did not kill them off!
The goals will come if we could find a youth who can take it to these men we speed and aggression unbalance them and then slot it in for Finishers like Yorke and Stern to slot it home.
This is what we need.
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KND you missed the point he said has been to many games and he said the pro league pace is slow. Players have all the time to spend on the ball think about what they want to do etc and they are accustomed to playing at that level .But when they step up to international level the pace of the game is much faster by the time they are on the ball 2 -3 players are on them at once etc they have to think fast etc etc that what he was stress .
when they beat tobago united and united petrotrin 6 and 7 nil all the time they learn nothing
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In reply to KND2
Have you actually SEEN a PFL game? Even on tape?
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In reply to KND2
Have you actually SEEN a PFL game? Even on tape?
;D ;D
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I have seen at least 5 PFL games over the last 2-3 years, W Connection, Jabloteh, North East Stars, Docs Kawallas, D force etc etc
I have seen all these teams play over the years and I am quite aware of level of football in the nation, having been part of Football in the nation my whole life.
I know what is down they and who is down they.
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I have seen at least 5 PFL games over the last 2-3 years, W Connection, Jabloteh, North East Stars, Docs Kawallas, D force etc etc
I have seen all these teams play over the years and I am quite aware of level of football in the nation, having been part of Football in the nation my whole life.
I know what is down they and who is down they.
You don't know yuh ass from yuh elbow.
the pro league is way behind what international level requires. Them fellas don't know how to make the transition. Even the top teams in the PFL don't have enough players of international quality. Them fellas to laid back ..that is why when they on the national team they playing shit. ...
5 games in 3 years and all od a sudden u an expert. Get real ....u a flicking louse.
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I have seen at least 5 PFL games over the last 2-3 years, W Connection, Jabloteh, North East Stars, Docs Kawallas, D force etc etc
In that case Beenhakker already has surpassed you in his knowledge of the PFL.
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u have to understand leos point of view rather than totally down play the players in the pro league he instead questioned the level of games
good players get better by havin competitive games which is why one may observe the use of foreign based pros due the intensity of their competition they are where beene would like them to be rather than the complacent locals who he dneed to train to be at a ceertain level
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Ok i remember that one of the PFL teams played in a tournament against clubs from the MLS sometime ago. How did they do against these teams? Did they get washed or did they put up a decent showing of themselves. Please somebody answer this.
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Ok i remember that one of the PFL teams played in a tournament against clubs from the MLS sometime ago. How did they do against these teams? Did they get washed or did they put up a decent showing of themselves. Please somebody answer this.
Results of PFL teams vs MLS teams (http://www.socawarriorssc.com/swonline/smf/index.php?topic=1993.msg13375#msg13375)
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All Yuh attitude is exactly what is wrong with Trinidad and Tobago, not because a man playing in foreign it means he is better than a local player.
Last time I checked football was played on the field man need to prove thing on the field.
Based on my observation of the game I see no difference between PFL players and foreign based players so to say that we cannot include PFL players because they not as good is too broad a statement,
Prove it on the field let the men and then get a run in practice games and let we see who is playing from who not players,
Lack of competition = lack of improvement.
If a man play shit and he keep he place just because he have a big contract then he might as well play shit forever.
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All Yuh attitude is exactly what is wrong with Trinidad and Tobago, not because a man playing in foreign it means he is better than a local player.
Last time I checked football was played on the field man need to prove thing on the field.
Based on my observation of the game I see no difference between PFL players and foreign based players so to say that we cannot include PFL players because they not as good is too broad a statement,
Prove it on the field let the men and then get a run in practice games and let we see who is playing from who not players,
Lack of competition = lack of improvement.
If a man play shit and he keep he place just because he have a big contract then he might as well play shit forever.
Yuh arguin TATA as usual.
De man say de standard of PFL football is substantially lower than that of International football. Dat is a FACT!
He say dat is why when some man does come on de team & play against de likes of Mexico, like Whitley & Theobald who is stars in local ball, dey does struggle. Dem is 2 a de best, if not de 2 best we have locally. EVERYBODY know dat. So if de 2 best we have locally strugglin to handle de international ball runnins, wha dat go translate into fuh de one's who not as good as dem?
It didn't stop him from pickin Whitley, Theobald, Charles, Gray, and dem doh. Las I check he still eh pickin Fitzpatrick, Sealey, Hector Sam, and dem who foreign based.
So wha de ass is fuh f**kin point? Is jes love yuh love to bump yuh flikkin gum or wha?
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Oh gooosssh!! yuh know how long I ent hear ah man get boof up.
I personally have no idea what theobald and whitley doing on that team eh….other than it don't have suitable replacements for them…well it look like spann go fil in for one of them, we need somebody else to replace the other one.
Midfield - edwards, birchall, spann, ?.
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KND2- I agree that the mere fact that a player plays abroad doesn't mean that he deserves a spot on the Nat'l team before a PFL player. There may in fact be a couple of local players who can go abroad and do as well as some of our foreign based guys, or perhaps perform well at the Nat'l level.......Sadly that is a huge maybe.
The fact is, our foreign-based players are the best that we have (for the most part)....it's scary to think because they aren't that good, but it's the truth. They may only be marginally better, afterall, most of our foreign based players today struggle to get playing time for scrub teams.......nevertheless, they are the best that we've got at the moment, until someone else proves them otherwise. Whether or not the local players get a fair enough chance to do so...I can't comment.
At the end of the day, Beenie's point is a valid point- Our local league is not world class....evidence is in the players that it has bred, the quality of the matches, and the results against teams from abroad......... If you want to argue against that you're an idiot.
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5 PFL games in 3 years??? u actually have de balls tuh mention dat? lol
I see more games in one month than u see in 3 years....lol
u have no shame and no point!! u are now de undisputed jackass of this site! ;D
De only games that are exciting are de jabloteh-connection match ups and those game end up fizzling out into rough play!! We have one or too good players in de league, but in terms of playing at a high level for a long period, we dont have that.
Man does be bawling for Kerry Noray. Athough he scoring, i watch him play and de man does drift out of games more than how cornel glen does do it. He doesnt concentrate for 90mins.
For example, in de final of de pro bowl, he scored de only goal, but he was out of de game for 89 mins!
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Based on the success of the Strike Squad, I would like to believe a local based team can represent us. However the local guys i.e Cyd Gray, theobald, whitley, etc. are not performing at the international level. So Leo appears to be right. The PFL is probably way below the international level.
Once again KND raise everybody blood pressure.
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all i have to say is cyd gray is a star in local pfl..so that should tell you the standard
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Based on the success of the Strike Squad, I would like to believe a local based team can represent us. However the local guys i.e Cyd Gray, theobald, whitley, etc. are not performing at the international level. So Leo appears to be right. The PFL is probably way below the international level.
Once again KND raise everybody blood pressure.
i agree we shoulda have just a local based squad now..we shoulda just drop all the foreigners at the start of the campaign..but it a little too late for that now.
the TTFA shoulda learn by now that as soon as them boy get a Pro contract is too much shit is start to happen concerning them men..like not wanting to play, then when they do come, they fraid they get injured or they coming just to f**king lime.
Maybe Bertille mightve gotten it right if he didnt have to deal with some of them divas..and groom people who actually want to fight for their country.
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My preference was always to be a majority based local squad so that we wouldn't have so much of a club versus country issue.
That way, the technical staff workin with players 24/7 under supervised conditions etc.
The downside is of course, BY DEFINITION, you working with your 2nd XI AT BEST.
There is no easy solution.
To be honest.....the Strike Squad was very much like the Korean Team in the last world cup in terms of training.
They both trained, camped etc together for a very long time.
They were both teams that were among, if not the fittest in their respective competitions.
They were able to draw from their best player resources (Nakhid, Skinner, Chinapoo, Anton Corneal & Brian Haynes notwithstanding) at any time for a protracted period.
Our reality today is none of those. Therefore, we have to pick our best players who are the one's who are playing overseas.
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???knd ur right, its all a conspiracy because beenie doesnt want to look at pfl anymore.in fact when they ask him about the pfl he gave that response so he can have less of a talent pool to draw from. ::)
u said it urself, uve seen 5 gms in 3 yrs.thats not enough to make a claim and then say leo(whos seen many more) is the one whos wrong
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The next game I saw was the Mexico game
Charles look good in the right back
And Theobald aint look no worst than Carlos on the other wing.
Edwards had a very poor game against Mexico by his standards. In fact he played a hundred times better against Panama and Costa Rica. Theobald played pure tata for 5 straight games so there really is no comparison to make there - except you can say Edwards at his worst is equal to Theobald's average performance.
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the proof have to be on the field.
Too say the pro league is not the same standard as foreign based is too broad a statement.
Looking at the games I not seeing a difference in how the men and them performing on the field.
Based on the TnT Matches I have seen in World cup Qualifying I not seeing no big Standard difference.
The USA first game
Local based man like Piere play real good in the defense, Rojas was also local based at that time and he perform well.
Eve and Theobald Local based also perform much better than Stern and Jones and that was in 1/5 the playing time.
The next game I saw was the Mexico game
Charles look good in the right back
And Theobald aint look no worst than Carlos on the other wing.
Yes the league have no competion outside of the top 4-5 teams but the good players in the league are just as good as some of the foreign based.
Fact is Charles, Theobald, piere or any other good local could get a contract tomorrow and then all of a sudden they good enough to make the side.
What is required is not someone to look at the competition between the teams and the level of play but rather someone who has the vision to see a good player within the "weeds"
Bennie man Talking shit
Yorke and Stern will not take up to the world cup between the 2 of them they have scored 2 goals in 5 matches
and going back to the last 10 WCQ or so Stern has 4 or 5 goals and Yorke on 0.
This will not get it done.
Drop Yorke to Midfield, I will still start Stern and I will put either a new Forward or Glen up front with him.
We need a young Cornel Glen or Colin Samuel, when these men was fighting to come through they used to buss net like crazy, now they just cruising crusing , because they get "Professional"
We need the raw talant, a wild and desperate youth who looking for the contract not a season professional who just posting up making square pass and waiting for good cross ball to nod in.
What is that Shit!
This is new to bennie man but many of us on this site have been here before.
in 1998 Yorke and Stern only posting up on Lallas down in Virginia
In 2002 Yorke and Stern again Still posting up no damn goals.
TnT looks good when we play men who can run at defenders with speed, Teams like the US and Mexico are good at defending passing balls and crossing balls etc
But put speed and dribbing one on one in the ass and they start to fall apart the last 15 min of the first US match prove that to me.
The US was Dead and Burried in that match we just did not kill them off!
The goals will come if we could find a youth who can take it to these men we speed and aggression unbalance them and then slot it in for Finishers like Yorke and Stern to slot it home.
This is what we need.
I find it difficult to take exception to anything KND stated here, as he supports his position quite well. Of course I haven't seen Beenhakkers quote. Provocative and entertaining as usual! Bravo.
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I have to agree with KND on some ah what he saying.
If man get ah contract den dey good enough?
How many of our foreign based played in THE PFL???
And then his point about Stern and Yorke make absolute sense.
Stern posting up like Shaq and den trying to dish to man (Kobi) fuh de long three pointer.
We do need a young hungry for ah contract man to run hard at the US players!
I know many here will sat dat we eh no coach, but common sense is common sense, an I is one who does blast KND fuh shit talk all de time, dis time he right on target with some points.
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Seems like we cyan leave this point alone bruds but its a good one anyway. I go away and come back and we still on it. Some of what everyone has said is true and though I havent read Beenie's quote ( but i see de paraphrase below) what he said is true also about de league and Trini players in de league.
De Pro League is just three years old and honestly is not good enough as a league into which Beenie could dip to find talent to replace men who seeing regular high quality action in games abroad. Point taken! but at de national team level we must be able to do better than Stern is doing at de moment with that posting up crap. I support him as a player but his international form is non-existent right now. I think Cornell (who has few headed goals in his whole career) is finding form again and I would prefer him to Stern at the moment , seems like he hungry to find a way to score. I like dat.
Also on the matter of form and de Pro League I think Beenie is right dat de pace too slow. It seems like yuh have 3 or 4 fit teams and de rest is well not good enough. From de games I have seen Connection is the most creative team in midfield and Jabloteh is de most clinical in attack - deh doan waste too many. When Jabloteh and Connection clash de game is speed and fouls galore and I would put them against any MLS team on deh day to gih dem a good run.
My point is that it have have some Trini players in form in the Pro League in scoring like Noray and Josh Johnson and in defence like Attiba who should get a regular look. I agree with Andre, Noray drifts but he has form and can run at defenders and score goals . Johnson is always running and penetrating. Attiba is alert and tough to break down. From what I see Whitley plays a different position with the National squad than what he plays with Jabloteh. I dont know is this is always so but he looks very much more different and lively playing with Jabloteh because he is allowed to attack more than defend and holds up the ball and dribble men left right and centre except when deh play Connection. When Cyd Gray plays with Jabloteh apparently he dont do as much sh*t because de defence covers him well. Jabloteh have a rasta defender that was a borse de last two games I saw. I think deh coach is also different from the others I've seen. He drives them on whole game so deh cyan fall sleep.
As to the games against MLS teams well I checked that one out and (subject to correction) de last games that Metostars played here they beat Connection 1-0 because of a goalkeeping error (de goalie through out de ball straight to de Metrostars striker) and deh beat Jabloteh 3-2 after Jabloteh had three men sent off fuh and had to play most of de last half with 9 men. De one game a Pro League team beat ah MLS team - Chicago Fire it was Cornell 3 and Noray 2 and dat Chicago team had Beasley, Ralph and Williams etc.
I think dem Pro League coaches need to listen and learn from Beenie, de man shooting straight.
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How bad could de league be ???
Anthony and Glenton Wolfe (North East Stars).
Densill Theobald (Caledonia AIA Fire).
Cyd Gray, Angus Eve, Aurtis Whitley, Duarance Williams, Keyeno Thomas (San Juan Jabloteh).
Atiba Charles (W Connection).
Anton Pierre (Defence Force).
All on we present national team at some point, even over some foreign pros.
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How bad could de league be ???
Anthony and Glenton Wolfe (North East Stars).
Densill Theobald (Caledonia AIA Fire).
Cyd Gray, Angus Eve, Aurtis Whitley, Duarance Williams, Keyeno Thomas (San Juan Jabloteh).
Atiba Charles (W Connection).
Anton Pierre (Defence Force).
All on we present national team at some point, even over some foreign pros.
Sam,
Naming a bunch of players from the local league that are on the National team doesn't give the league credibility.......unless of course the National team is successful, which it is clearly not at this point. Poor argument......very poor. I hope you were being sarcastic.
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My preference was always to be a majority based local squad so that we wouldn't have so much of a club versus country issue.
That way, the technical staff workin with players 24/7 under supervised conditions etc.
The downside is of course, BY DEFINITION, you working with your 2nd XI AT BEST.
There is no easy solution.
To be honest.....the Strike Squad was very much like the Korean Team in the last world cup in terms of training.
They both trained, camped etc together for a very long time.
They were both teams that were among, if not the fittest in their respective competitions.
They were able to draw from their best player resources (Nakhid, Skinner, Chinapoo, Anton Corneal & Brian Haynes notwithstanding) at any time for a protracted period.
Our reality today is none of those. Therefore, we have to pick our best players who are the one's who are playing overseas.
This is a solid idea, but the public would have to be very patient and te team would needto play a number of International games on a regular basis. Ent Najjar was doing this until man strike and people start calling for foreign based????
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How bad could de league be ???
Anthony and Glenton Wolfe (North East Stars).
Densill Theobald (Caledonia AIA Fire).
Cyd Gray, Angus Eve, Aurtis Whitley, Duarance Williams, Keyeno Thomas (San Juan Jabloteh).
Atiba Charles (W Connection).
Anton Pierre (Defence Force).
All on we present national team at some point, even over some foreign pros.
Sam,
Naming a bunch of players from the local league that are on the National team doesn't give the league credibility.......unless of course the National team is successful, which it is clearly not at this point. Poor argument......very poor. I hope you were being sarcastic.
You rae not being true to the article or the arguements presented.
Firget the quality of the league..is Jamaica's any better?
The real issue is what Beenie said about the players themselves and why they are not being picked!
Sam pointed out something important..if it is so bad then why are those players on the team?
Why not look for a total foreign based if that standard is so much higher?
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As Observer said there are no easy solutions to this situation,if you look at the history of T&T Football it's a problem we have always had,it's just that at times we were able to succeed but it's not a good formular.
We always had talented players but as a team we just have problems getting things to work,and the main reason is players are not able to spend enough time together,when you send time together there are certain things that can be accomplished,all players have different characteristics and teamates need to knw them,reading each other and the game, in our country every one does their thing,where as other countrys have a style they all play so when individual players come together they mesh.
I don't know the local guys or have i seen any PFL games but why are some ppl crying down the league,lets think here what's the purpose of this league?a lot of our professional players once played there, but these guys does forget,i think every one of those guys in their off season should come back and play for a team in the PFL ,it's a way of giving back and at the same time lifting the standard of the league.
On this forum there are a lot of good talk but you all will know all talk and no action does not solve problems,at the end of the day we have no one but ourselves to blame,we have tried everything to improve the standard of our Football, Minor league,Colleges League,Zones,Premier League,National League,Authur Suite League,PFL etc,we also had the different Shields ,Cups and Classics to play for,(you know at one time college players played on Club teams before their season started).
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...i think every one of those guys in their off season should come back and play for a team in the PFL ,it's a way of giving back and at the same time lifting the standard of the league.
A couple of de fellas (like Kevin Jeffrey) in de A-League do this. I would think the players in de UK would not be allowed to do the same thing.
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...i think every one of those guys in their off season should come back and play for a team in the PFL ,it's a way of giving back and at the same time lifting the standard of the league.
A couple of de fellas (like Kevin Jeffrey) in de A-League do this. I would think the players in de UK would not be allowed to do the same thing.
Technically its not allowed by FIFA. A player cannot play for two club teams. What may be happening is that at the end of the respective league, those player that come back are no longer under contract with their clubs
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I believe KND made a good point to a certain extent but Leo has a point also.
Our pace or level of play at home is slower or lower than in Europe, etc. so in general once our players get a contract abroad especially in the UK they quickly have to adjust to a faster pace of play.
So even though our best local based players are as good as many of our foreign based players the foreign based ones are more accustomed to a faster pace of play and so can generally cope better when selected to play at the International level.
Question: Do we blame the hot weather in T&T for the slow pace of our PFL games or is it more a lack of stiff competition and higher quality players in our league?
How do we raise the general level and pace of games in our PFL?
For heaven's sake a lot of our soca music flyies at over 100 miles an hour, do the players need to be hearing blazing soca during PFL games?
What is the solution? :-\
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Question: Do we blame the hot weather in T&T for the slow pace of our PFL games or is it more a lack of stiff competition and higher quality players in our league?
I think its the latter Pro......consider this.
All Pro League games start at 4 and 5pm respectively, the sun goes down in TT from 5:30-6:30 Only in July-Aug months will you have sunset at 6:30-6:45. No real hot sun beating down on you.........besides we born and grow up here. Sun is not an excuse!
Also the Pro league second round of games started in the Wet season which we are now experiencing.
Also something else to consider......only 3 clubs have won the Pro league title, Jab, W-conn and last year N.E stars. When it was semi-pro Joe Public was the other club who used to fight for top spot.
Also consider we have a team who has played over 38 games and not registered a win.
Midtable teams collect 7 from top teams.....i.e Defence force.
Finally the teams with successful records have foreigners on their roster. Joe public had brazilians, haitians and players from St kitts.
W-Connection with the Brazilians and Guayanese, N.E Stars acquired a few guayanese players and Jabloteh has a Guyanese, Jamaicans and the best local players at their disposal, i.e they have many national or former national team players.
To boost the league all the teams need better players, be it a good comprehensive youth system or importation from abroad. Also they need professionalism to be instilled. The winning teams have been competent in this dept.
Lastly, they need to be playing competitive teams regularly. W-Connection has made pre season tours in Europe also we need more Mls and European teams to play pFL teams in friendlies so as to expose them to styles of play and levels of competitveness.
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Question: Do we blame the hot weather in T&T for the slow pace of our PFL games or is it more a lack of stiff competition and higher quality players in our league?
I for one blame the hot weather in T&T for everything: poor football at club and int'l level, low GDP per capita, high incidence of HIV, murders, kidnappings, corrupt politicians etc. etc.
To me the only viable solution is to build a massive bubble around the two islands and create some form of climate control. What's the use of building a new sports complex when it go be too hot for the athletes to perform to any acceptable standard? Put that $850 million and buy some air conditioning units.
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I for one blame the hot weather in T&T for everything: poor football at club and int'l level, low GDP per capita, high incidence of HIV, murders, kidnappings, corrupt politicians etc. etc.
To me the only viable solution is to build a massive bubble around the two islands and create some form of climate control. What's the use of building a new sports complex when it go be too hot for the athletes to perform to any acceptable standard? Put that $850 million and buy some air conditioning units.
Yeah..dat is de ansah right dey. But instead a climate control so dat man could play in nicer temperature....let it snow and when snow eh fallin....temperature drop to -10. Yuh want to see Trini run fast? When cole take yuh tail so is amazin wha yuh could do.
I used to wuk a 13 minutes walk from meh home in Toronto (yes...ah time mehself). One day ah wake up and de weatherman say it go be -40 wit de wind. Ah say dem eh ketchin me. Put on 3 socks, long johns, a track pants and jeans, 2 pair a gloves, 2 jersey, a sweater, meh winter jacket, meh scarf, meh marvin gaye, and ear muffs. When ah step outside dey so, de wind cut right through all dem layer of clothin! Talk bout COLE!!!! Ah couldn't even run because wet snow did fall de night before so wit de freeze, is ice on de flikkin road!
Ah mek de walk to work in 8 minutes!! When ah reach to wuk....icicle done form on meh eyebrow and mustache. De top a meh ears dem numb and red. All de way to wuk ah tellin mehself..."Yes...yuh bitch...yuh want to come Canada? Welcome to flikkin Canada!!"
So under dem kinda conditions dey we footballers go be playin at top speeds fuh sure.
De only alternative is to put some scantily clad blonde buxom british models wit size 38 EEEEE bressesses by de opposition goal post. Den we go see how fast Yorkie & Sytern and dem go run wit de caveat dat yuh have to keep de ball and put de ball in de opposition net. Yuh reward is yuh could celebrate by tekkin a jook wit de model of yuh choice each time yuh score. De only dilemma is Marvin Andrews. He mightn't want to go by de penalty area at all.
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I feel the slow pace is trinidad style too eh...diaz why dribbling was so popular. When men comin' in hurry, hurry, they used to get dribble multiple times.
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De only alternative is to put some scantily clad blonde buxom british models wit size 38 EEEEE bressesses by de opposition goal post. Den we go see how fast Yorkie & Sytern and dem go run wit de caveat dat yuh have to keep de ball and put de ball in de opposition net. Yuh reward is yuh could celebrate by tekkin a jook wit de model of yuh choice each time yuh score. De only dilemma is Marvin Andrews. He mightn't want to go by de penalty area at all.
Hmmm this idea sounding viable too. De best ting is de opposition go be hanging round dey net too keeping Stern onside for once and scoring so many own goals it go look like Rahim playing against we.
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Hmmm this idea sounding viable too. De best ting is de opposition go be hanging round dey net too keeping Stern onside for once and scoring so many own goals it go look like Rahim playing against we.
LMAO!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Question: Do we blame the hot weather in T&T for the slow pace of our PFL games or is it more a lack of stiff competition and higher quality players in our league?
I for one blame the hot weather in T&T for everything: poor football at club and int'l level, low GDP per capita, high incidence of HIV, murders, kidnappings, corrupt politicians etc. etc.
To me the only viable solution is to build a massive bubble around the two islands and create some form of climate control. What's the use of building a new sports complex when it go be too hot for the athletes to perform to any acceptable standard? Put that $850 million and buy some air conditioning units.
Ah boy this is a good one,i never thought i would of hear heat affecting T&T Football,hear we go excuses,excuses,excuses when are we going to start facing reality.Past players will tell you the kind of sacrifices they used to make to get to the top and stay there.I remember getting up at 4:00am for my early morning road run,running the Train line from San Juan to Curepe and back,Sand Track in POS,over the hills in Snata Cruz to Maracas Bay,Savannah to the LookOut by Hilton.This is what everybody did so you had no alternative but to follow,it became the things to do.By the time the Sun came up it was time to go home.Defence Force always trained on mornings,we went up to 11:00 am,and still the die hards used to train on evenings after the day is over.I remember being in the Gym at Chaguaramas all 2:00 am in the morning.
On Saturday and Sunday we used to go from Minor League to Minor League all day,there was always a League to play in seven days a week.What heat we talking about?does our Stadiums have lights?at what time does our games play?
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Ah boy this is a good one,i never thought i would of hear heat affecting T&T Football,hear we go excuses,excuses,excuses when are we going to start facing reality.Past players will tell you the kind of sacrifices they used to make to get to the top and stay there.I remember getting up at 4:00am for my early morning road run,running the Train line from San Juan to Curepe and back,Sand Track in POS,over the hills in Snata Cruz to Maracas Bay,Savannah to the LookOut by Hilton.This is what everybody did so you had no alternative but to follow,it became the things to do.By the time the Sun came up it was time to go home.Defence Force always trained on mornings,we went up to 11:00 am,and still the die hards used to train on evenings after the day is over.I remember being in the Gym at Chaguaramas all 2:00 am in the morning.
On Saturday and Sunday we used to go from Minor League to Minor League all day,there was always a League to play in seven days a week.What heat we talking about?does our Stadiums have lights?at what time does our games play?
You make good points as usual Coop's but I believe the comparison and therefore the argument is flawed.
Our players may have grown up doing those things it is true. But the VAST MAJORITY of our Senior National team play their football in the not so warm climate of England and Scotland. They spend 9 out of every 12 months AT LEAST there. The vast majority of their season is played in the fall and winter months.
Just like how their bodies had to acclimatise when they first got there, they now have to re-acclimatise to the heat of T&T. I eh know when last you went home Coop's, but if yuh went home fuh leh we say Carnival, yuh know when dah plane doors open and de blast a heat hit yuh, is a different vibe.
Of course the heat is going to affect them players. Especially having only 3 or 4 days to acclimatise. Man accustom runnin 90mph in England (partly dey have to run hard and fast jes to keep warm) and now dey playin in T&T at 1pm in de afternoon (like against de USA in we fuss match dis Hex) and sun beatin dong at 32 degrees. Yuh tink man eh toast after 30 minutes? Yuh tink it eh go affect dem?
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all true but I thought we were talking about hot weather as it relates to the local PFL?
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all true but I thought we were talking about hot weather as it relates to the local PFL?
If we talkin strictly PFL den apologies to Coop's. My bad fellas.
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Heat eh have nuttin to do with it fellas. I'm sure all dem Pro League teams train in late morning sun. That must be the best joke I hear fuh de day.
The pace of the overall league may be slow ( when you factor in the weaker teams) but that is not true for the top three or four teams because they have real pace and can counterattack very well. When they fit they bring the pace to the game. It was a fit NE Stars that beat de national selection 2-0 and a fit Jabloteh that hammer Defence Force 7-0 and a fit Connection that started the League with about six straight victories until they run into Jabloteh.
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KND 2 talking shit again. Go wash yuh mouth boy, it full ah shit. Boss we ain't have no time to spot diamond in the rough right now. This is the middle of the qualifiers. AH will say it again; we pro in name only at home. Only two clubs--Jabloteh and Connection--working towards adopting a professional structure, where they place a heavy emphasis on player development through the youth streams. Teams home need to move towards the Academy setup, where players learn the science of the game from a young age. Yuh can't teach men hardened in their bad habits new tricks right now. Training for two hours in the evening doh make yuh ah pro, and the league home is not competitive. The general standard of the league needs to be elevated, but it has to come from the clubs realizing that they must adopt a professional structure to their franchises.
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Sam,
Naming a bunch of players from the local league that are on the National team doesn't give the league credibility.......unless of course the National team is successful, which it is clearly not at this point. Poor argument......very poor. I hope you were being sarcastic.
You rae not being true to the article or the arguements presented.
Firget the quality of the league..is Jamaica's any better?
The real issue is what Beenie said about the players themselves and why they are not being picked!
Sam pointed out something important..if it is so bad then why are those players on the team?
Why not look for a total foreign based if that standard is so much higher?
Once again, failure to make sense...."if it so bad, then why are those players on the team ?" - Simple, the foreign-based players that aren't making the team, are not good either.....Look at who we have playing abroad..which truely world class players, playing abroad are not on the team ? - NONE !! Just because you are foreign-based doesn't mean that you're better than if you're locally based. I said that already in a previous post. However, just because there are locally based players that are better than some of the foreign based players doesn't mean that the PFL is equivalent to the MLS/whatever foreign league.....
You asked: "Why doesn't he select a purely foreign-based team if the standard abroad is so much better than the local standard ?"- because he selects his players based on the the quality of the player, not the quality of the league that they play in......
To argue for the credibility of a local league, or even the credibility of local players by stating that many of the locally based players are on the struggling deficient national team is f*cking rediculous
Follow some simple logic:
Argument 1.
1. As a coach, Beenie tries to select his best players for the National team.
2. Some of our locally-based players are better than some of our foreign-based players.
3. Therefore some of our Nat'l team players are locally-based
Argument 2.
1. The local league according to Beenie is sub-standard on a world scale
2. Therefore, the locally-based players on the Nat'l team do not make a smooth transition in international games. (hence the under-performance of local stars such as Whitley, Theobald and Gray)
3. Therefore the national teams struggles.
It's that simple........
What adds insult to injury is that the foreign based players are struggling as well......which raises a bigger issue. How big is the distinction between the average local standard, and the standard of our foreign-based players (most of whom, if not all, do not have a big impact on major clubs)........that is also something worth talking about.
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The time is now to rethink where the core of our players will come from?