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Sports => Football => Topic started by: AB.Trini on April 11, 2007, 02:19:17 PM
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What do people think of the PFL forming a partnership with the MLS. Clubs in the PFL could be supported by MLS clubs; this could be like a farm system for the MLS.
The PLF benefits from marketing knowledge; sponsorship funds and shared player development.
The MLS benefits from player development and a market where the U.S. $$$ could be maximized to enhance the quality of players.
This set up could be much like the NFL and their farm teams in NFL europe.
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The benefits you list for the MLS are not benefits at all. Not in the sense that there are better organized, better supported leagues, in countries that produce more young talent than T&T. Besides, the MLS is in it's own development phase. In conjunction with the USSF, it will seek to develop US talent. The US youth market is still largely untapped, with young urban/ immigrant/minority talent the next frontier The MLS is now partnering up with the Bundesliga and has bigger aspirations than teaming up with T&T...notice the links that clubs are making with teams like Chivas and Real Madrid. T&T has no added value to the US and T&T players aren't particularly glamorous and have little marketing value.so watch the MLS make ties with European teams, Mexican, Brazilian, Argentine teams...even Costa Rica and Jamaica have a better chance at what you talking about than T&T. Your idea would be nice and who knows..anything could happen...but it real unlikely cause I not seeing the value to the MLS
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What do people think of the PFL forming a partnership with the MLS. Clubs in the PFL could be supported by MLS clubs; this could be like a farm system for the MLS.
The PLF benefits from marketing knowledge; sponsorship funds and shared player development.
The MLS benefits from player development and amarket wheer the U.S. $$$ could be maximized to enhance the quality of players.
This set up could be much like the NFL and their farm teams in NFL europe.
what kind of weed you smoking boi :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Yeah ; allyuh men are football gods allyuh right. There are no benefits; It's all B.S. about any potential partnership. Possibilities like these are a waste of time. Sure there are better leagues and yes TNT does not have any marketable commodities. Let's continue to think small; act small and leave those with big leagues to continue to take away the best from the same land where the formative developemnt is nourished.
Leh we just tuck we tail between we legs and continue thinking that we have nothing to offer and that partnerships like these are futile. It amazes me that J.A could get a sport Fox link up for their league and we are still wallowing in the fact that we do not have anything worthwhile to offer.
Yeah yeah.... allyuh men right allyuh men have it going...... good thanks. Some men see ah glass like it is a plastic cup. Good ah go leave this idea alone.
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As far fetched as this might seem, I think it is feasible..but is the MLS intersted? Men laughing but I read where Tobago United and Jabloteh trying to foster relationships with EPL and other Europeans leagues..and them leagues were not laughing in we face...but as Filho say, if the MLS think they can't get anything from it, then it would not happen.
Big Up!
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Yeah ; allyuh men are football gods allyuh right. There are no benefits; It's all B.S. about any potential partnership. Possibilities like these are a waste of time. Sure there are better leagues and yes TNT does not have any marketable commodities. Let's continue to think small; act small and leave those with big leagues to continue to take away the best from the same land where the formative developemnt is nourished.
Leh we just tuck we tail between we legs and continue thinking that we have nothing to offer and that partnerships like these are futile. It amazes me that J.A could get a sport Fox link up for their league and we are still wallowing in the fact that we do not have anything worthwhile to offer.
Yeah yeah.... allyuh men right allyuh men have it going...... good thanks. Some men see ah glass like it is a plastic cup. Good ah go leave this idea alone.
Big man like you? You're a joker yes. Men disagree with your proposition and you sour- sarcastically callin' men football gods, and underhandedly dissin' people with an opposing view- steupsss- so what? you're a football god?......what have you said that was so genius? and what yuh posting for if men can't express an honest opinion. Like you not looking to for open dialogue- you just lookin' for men to jump on a bandwagon...
That said, it would be great (for T&T at least) for the MLS & PFL to have strategic alliance- no one would deny that. At this stage, unless you know better, there appears to be no impetus for such to happen. The PFL is not a very appealing league (plain talk eh no bad manners), and the MLS authorities appear to be more interested in aligning themselves with more established players in the market.
If some diamonds start to emerge out of the rough, (More Peltiers & Guerras etc..) and the right connections, marketing & networking take effect, a bold initiative & a very compelling argument (unlike your post Alberta), could probably swing things.
As of now- it seems far fetched.
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Yuh think that sacarstic? I mean fuh real!!!! I went on a limp with ah idea, realize it was farfetched and I done the talk to better men who see it differently. So ah was a little over meh head with this idea and flippantly leave that up to men who are Gods in this area. Me eh know the tone came out as being sarcastic.
ummmm.......
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Yeah ; allyuh men are football gods allyuh right. There are no benefits; It's all B.S. about any potential partnership. Possibilities like these are a waste of time. Sure there are better leagues and yes TNT does not have any marketable commodities. Let's continue to think small; act small and leave those with big leagues to continue to take away the best from the same land where the formative developemnt is nourished.
Leh we just tuck we tail between we legs and continue thinking that we have nothing to offer and that partnerships like these are futile. It amazes me that J.A could get a sport Fox link up for their league and we are still wallowing in the fact that we do not have anything worthwhile to offer.
Yeah yeah.... allyuh men right allyuh men have it going...... good thanks. Some men see ah glass like it is a plastic cup. Good ah go leave this idea alone.
haha...my goodness....what a jackass response. yeah..take your ball and go home. you like a petulant child. putting words in people mouths and acting up because someone disagrees with the viability of your propositon. what you posting on a public forum for then? my opinion is based on what I think the MLS would be looking for based on how that league is developing and the kinds of moves they have been making. They seem to want to align with established leagues. I just don't think the PFL would be an attractive offer right now for the MLS for a few reasons. Of course it is just my opinion. And I did not completely rule out the possibility. Just seems unlikely. Read my last sentence yuh clown...I do think such an alliance would be nice....i am sure something like that would be welcomed whole-heartedly by all T&T football fans. it just does not seem feasible. And I would be very very happy to be wrong. I eh trying to shoot you down..just expressing an opinion. That is not thinking small and I don't think we have nothing to offer. But I do believe there is a bare minimum we need to fix in our own house before a project like that could be viable. I think you looking for the 'great white hope' too early in the process. Look at my points and counterpoint them if you disagree....But don't be such a drama queen. And kicker is right... you were being sarcastic...either that or you don't know what it means. U will fool absolutely NOONE with that bs response to not knowing you were being sarcastic :D Anyhow...bring on the MLS..or better yet the Dutch :beermug: Hopefully that will encourage you to bring back you ball and come outside an play
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Now I personally would not want to see any partnership between MLS and PFL...We could learn nothing from Americans really...The kinda robot football(although effect) is not for us and doesn't suit our style...A good idea would be to partner up with South American leagues(even if is the lower level leagues)....PFL needs to concentrate on youth development and playing and better coaching...PFL needs coaches and good ones....America have plenty good coaches and more shitty ones so let we eh take a chance...Trinidad and Tobago needs good coaches...Good coaches cost money....Develop coaches and youth using South American connections rather than robot America..
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Now I personally would not want to see any partnership between MLS and PFL...We could learn nothing from Americans really...The kinda robot football(although effect) is not for us and doesn't suit our style...A good idea would be to partner up with South American leagues(even if is the lower level leagues)....PFL needs to concentrate on youth development and playing and better coaching...PFL needs coaches and good ones....America have plenty good coaches and more shitty ones so let we eh take a chance...Trinidad and Tobago needs good coaches...Good coaches cost money....Develop coaches and youth using South American connections rather than robot America..
Breds...South America has a lot of shitty coaches too. And I'm guesing most of them (good and bad) don't really speak english. And even though I don't see and MLS-PFL link up happening anytime soon, US soccer has shown far more interest and respect for T&T football than any other S. American nation I know. The familiar US culture and English language makes bridge building an easier and more cost effective proposition. And most S American federations, leagues and clubs are run like shit and have no money. PLayers are treated like crap and most don't get paid much and don't get paid on time. You want to develop ties with leagues that have their houses in order...they are the ones with the resources that would allow them to even consider any kind of outreach program with another league or federation.
Also, the development aspect of it would potentially be as much about developing infrastructure and professionalism to T&T football as it would be about player development. Different coaching techniques could also be shared....and that does NOT mean our kids will learn to play the american way (altho' whenever we play them their football is far more attractive than ours)....but it may teach greater emphasis on technique, diet, fitness, psychology, education..etc. Who knows? Like I said..I doh see it happening anytime soon. MLS seems to be looking in another direction..but I doh think you gave this any thought other than some weird fear of Trinis becoming 'americanized'.
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Now I personally would not want to see any partnership between MLS and PFL...We could learn nothing from Americans really...The kinda robot football(although effect) is not for us and doesn't suit our style...A good idea would be to partner up with South American leagues(even if is the lower level leagues)....PFL needs to concentrate on youth development and playing and better coaching...PFL needs coaches and good ones....America have plenty good coaches and more shitty ones so let we eh take a chance...Trinidad and Tobago needs good coaches...Good coaches cost money....Develop coaches and youth using South American connections rather than robot America..
Ponnoxx as much as we doh like the MLS, the PFL linking with them would be a benefit to us, because they are on the up and up (linking with the Bundesliga, luring marquee players, marketing etc) and in true U.S style, they throwing a lot of effort and money in the sport.
But what Filho said is true. It is highly doubtful they want anything to do with our PFL, especially in this stage of their (the MLS) development. That go be like two steps back for them, when they looking to rub shoulders with the big leagues. Alberta, it is a nice idea though. At least they take in our players, and you have to give them props for that, but partnering with our PFL...doesn't look to promising for them.
However there definitely should be more communication and establishment of some sort of link with the Mexican, Costa Rican and even South American leagues. We are largely unknown to them but have we genuinely attempted to let them know we are interested? There is a language barrier yes but that seems to matter less and less these days - and football does the talking. There are other avenues in our side of the world...the USA shouldn't be the 'be all and end all'.
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Yeah ; allyuh men are football gods allyuh right. There are no benefits; It's all B.S. about any potential partnership. Possibilities like these are a waste of time. Sure there are better leagues and yes TNT does not have any marketable commodities. Let's continue to think small; act small and leave those with big leagues to continue to take away the best from the same land where the formative developemnt is nourished.
Leh we just tuck we tail between we legs and continue thinking that we have nothing to offer and that partnerships like these are futile. It amazes me that J.A could get a sport Fox link up for their league and we are still wallowing in the fact that we do not have anything worthwhile to offer.
Yeah yeah.... allyuh men right allyuh men have it going...... good thanks. Some men see ah glass like it is a plastic cup. Good ah go leave this idea alone.
haha...my goodness....what a jackass response. yeah..take your ball and go home. you like a petulant child. putting words in people mouths and acting up because someone disagrees with the viability of your propositon. what you posting on a public forum for then? my opinion is based on what I think the MLS would be looking for based on how that league is developing and the kinds of moves they have been making. They seem to want to align with established leagues. I just don't think the PFL would be an attractive offer right now for the MLS for a few reasons. Of course it is just my opinion. And I did not completely rule out the possibility. Just seems unlikely. Read my last sentence yuh clown...I do think such an alliance would be nice....i am sure something like that would be welcomed whole-heartedly by all T&T football fans. it just does not seem feasible. And I would be very very happy to be wrong. I eh trying to shoot you down..just expressing an opinion. That is not thinking small and I don't think we have nothing to offer. But I do believe there is a bare minimum we need to fix in our own house before a project like that could be viable. I think you looking for the 'great white hope' too early in the process. Look at my points and counterpoint them if you disagree....But don't be such a drama queen. And kicker is right... you were being sarcastic...either that or you don't know what it means. U will fool absolutely NOONE with that bs response to not knowing you were being sarcastic :D Anyhow...bring on the MLS..or better yet the Dutch :beermug: Hopefully that will encourage you to bring back you ball and come outside an play
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Respectfully we may not agreee on most postings but I never disrespected you or resorted to name calling. So if you have to response, please do so in a manner that is not childish. If you have to disagree then fine. A public forum is one which warrants discussion and attimes disagreements on various points. I could handle that but I am not here to get personal or to resort to name calling just because one disagrees.
I have never alluded to your responses as 'jackass or childish' so youn man keep the respect on apositive.
Thanks
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Respectfully we may not agreee on most postings but I never disrespected you or resorted to name calling. So if you have to response, please do so in a manner that is not childish. If you have to disagree then fine. A public forum is one which warrants discussion and attimes disagreements on various points. I could handle that but I am not here to get personal or to resort to name calling just because one disagrees.
I have never alluded to your responses as 'jackass or childish' so youn man keep the respect on apositive.
Thanks
hahahah..sorry my language was so strong, but you really deserved a pullup after your petulant and disrespectful response to my first post. you do realize that your initial response is still there for all to see? that you can write what you are writing now, after what you wrote before is either a joke or a serious lack of understanding how the internet works heheh. your first repsonse was anything but postive and extremely childish...and you threw the first insult..so don't point fingers. look at my response to your first post and look at your reply. seriously....where is the respectful response? where is the positive dialogue? sarcastically calling men 'football gods', accusing us of thinking small, putting our tails between our legs....those are just thiny veiled insults. and my reply to your initial post was never disrespectful and I simply dealt with the issues I thought would hurt such a proposition. i find it absolutely hilarious the turnaround in your tone. now learn to take your own advice and remember.....you cannot cover up bs on the internet...so stop trying. but i'm glad you have woken up and decided to respond now like an adult. of course you still never respond to anyone's points...which is what I said you would do...predictable again
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I may be out ah line, but you guys have to think business wise sometimes. If the deal look profitable to both parties it could happen, and who will really benefit from such a move. De players in the us who might have some skill to get into those big leagues. It has a trickle down effect to as players from the caribbean can also reap rewards by getting into us clubs and then europe if they show promise.
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What do people think of the PFL forming a partnership with the MLS. Clubs in the PFL could be supported by MLS clubs; this could be like a farm system for the MLS.
The PLF benefits from marketing knowledge; sponsorship funds and shared player development.
The MLS benefits from player development and amarket wheer the U.S. $$$ could be maximized to enhance the quality of players.
This set up could be much like the NFL and their farm teams in NFL europe.
A league to league partnership may or may not work but there is merit in individuals seeking partnership agreements with MLS or European(my first choice) clubs. I saw a few years ago where a Senegalese club has a partnership with a French league club whereby promising players from the Senegalese club go on the the French club etc etc. The US and England already know about the potential T&T has a la Dwight , Shaka, Stern and now Carlos, so a club to club link up might be more feasible. Just my two cents.
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I may be out ah line, but you guys have to think business wise sometimes. If the deal look profitable to both parties it could happen, and who will really benefit from such a move. De players in the us who might have some skill to get into those big leagues. It has a trickle down effect to as players from the caribbean can also reap rewards by getting into us clubs and then europe if they show promise.
Steela..you not out of line at all. Most of the reposnses here are looking at the viability from a business, marketing and sporting standpoint
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ditto...
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Respectfully we may not agreee on most postings but I never disrespected you or resorted to name calling. So if you have to response, please do so in a manner that is not childish. If you have to disagree then fine. A public forum is one which warrants discussion and attimes disagreements on various points. I could handle that but I am not here to get personal or to resort to name calling just because one disagrees.
I have never alluded to your responses as 'jackass or childish' so youn man keep the respect on apositive.
Thanks
with all due respect- you are a joker. :devil:
yuh dis men and tryin' tuh back-track.....so I callin' yuh a joker.....take that and cry me a river...... :devil:
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I never really mean that going to South America is the remedy for anything but I just find it better than going to USA although we could learn some professionalism
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WELL WELL WELL at least somebody could have said thanks for the idea!!!!!!!
Now there is a partnership with FC Dallas!!!! ent ah say so.........
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WELL WELL WELL at least somebody could have said thanks for the idea!!!!!!!
Now there is a partnership with FC Dallas!!!! ent ah say so.........
nice try..dat is a partnership with a club. not the MLS ;D
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WELL WELL WELL at least somebody could have said thanks for the idea!!!!!!!
Now there is a partnership with FC Dallas!!!! ent ah say so.........
nice try..dat is a partnership with a club. not the MLS ;D
Same thing.
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Filho why is it some people doh get it; dey just doh see the forest from the trees.
Clubs in the PFL could be supported by MLS clubs; But the partnership with the TT Pro League is a very unique one for FC Dallas, not with a team but a league.
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Yes FC Dallas is ah club in the MLS: and the point is that the gist of the concept is being formed and there are elements of the notion embedded in this announcement. Why men does always have tuh laugh and bring people down?
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MLS and PFL both suffering from d same syndrome, when you look at why european leagues are so successful, in fact you doh even have to go so far, just look at the mexican and south american leagues. Promotion and relegation is key to creating a bubble syndrome to maintain quality outside of the top teams and that is where the real strength of a league lies, the top teams with the best resources will always rise to the top but as an organization you must create a system that will envelop a competitive nature for weaker similarily matched teams with real implications for defeat which is impending relegation at the end of a season.
Both leagues have sub tiered leagues that they can work with to create the system (A leauge and Super league) i heard Dexter Skeene mention it at the begining of this season but i doh know if will be actioned at the end of the season. The Tobago Uniteds and Real Salt Lakes of this world will never improve if there is no real implication for poor performance. If it remains as is then they will always be considered feeder leagues for more established leagues cause that system may develop players but never develop a strong league.
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Hey g check this out:
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=29591.msg337660#msg337660
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Hey g check this out:
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=29591.msg337660#msg337660
AB i understand where u coming from but d point i trying to make is that while that leagues on this side of the world will always have a degree of migration due to pure economics, when you talk about the strengthening of a league you look at a model that would fortify talent within the league strucutre which means that you get the best teams playing each other which will in essence create a better standard of play. How do you do that? You ensure that there are incentives for winning and more importantly penalties for losing. This model requires years of iterations to see progress but it will result in weaker teams leaving the league and stronger teams ascending hence the bubble up effect which over time will strengthen the league.
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While there is no partnership made in heaven, there are benefits to be made by all sides in this agreement. Just let us see how it plays out.
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While there is no partnership made in heaven, there are benefits to be made by all sides in this agreement. Just let us see how it plays out.
I doh see it so nah...ah doh see no benefits for we PFL, other than ah friendly meeting of adminstrators and players...if our ppl will by some short term absorption learn - what, ah doh know - from this social event, well good..buh ah doubt it..ah know we not go get nuthen on the football side, other than our boys get ah motivation, an realize how hard these guys must work, and doh really play at being professionals, well then all that good...but to say that some kind of partnership, with a club, will help our Pro league...well good luck...if ppl think dey go jus lend we some marketing specialist, accountants, coaches, club organizers, at no cost to us....then we back to exchanging/trading our gold and ppl for mirrors an baubles...good luck...I not interested....Partnership eh ? ::)
add: relationship is one thing, Partnership well, better get ppl like Fpatt involved, and make sure things flow both ways
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While there is no partnership made in heaven, there are benefits to be made by all sides in this agreement. Just let us see how it plays out.
I doh see it so nah...ah doh see no benefits for we PFL, other than ah friendly meeting of adminstrators and players...if our ppl will by some short term absorption learn - what, ah doh know - from this social event,
what makes you think this is a 'short-term' arrangement?
well good..buh ah doubt it..ah know we not go get nuthen on the football side,
Why wouldn't we get something on the football side? Every year there is an opportunity for a PFL club to travel and play an exhibition match. Way leads onto way, possibilities exist for other MLS clubs to play against PFL clubs...the very thing MLS clubs are doing with Mexican teams, and European teams as we speak. This means greater opportunities for exposure for our players, say nothing of the chance to play against a higher caliber competition than what they regularly face.
Factoring the opportunities for synergy on the training (physios) front and to see first hand what methodologies are being employed by the Dallas physio staff. As Dallas upgrades on equiptment and otherwise I can see much of their equipment being passed to PFL clubs. Some may want to turn up their noses at 'hand-me-downs' but I guarantee you that a Northeast All-Stars won't.
other than our boys get ah motivation, an realize how hard these guys must work, and doh really play at being professionals, well then all that good...but to say that some kind of partnership, with a club, will help our Pro league...well good luck...if ppl think dey go jus lend we some marketing specialist, accountants, coaches, club organizers, at no cost to us....then we back to exchanging/trading our gold and ppl for mirrors an baubles...good luck...I not interested....Partnership eh ? ::)
What do you mean 'at no cost'? You people can be so incredibly short-sighted it's ridiculous. Who do you think will get first dibs on any PFL player with designs on playing in North America? You think Dallas that arrogant to think that anybody so schupid as to think this is some kinda unilateral philantropic move? I could only shake my head and laff sometimes yes.
add: relationship is one thing, Partnership well, better get ppl like Fpatt involved, and make sure things flow both ways
right...because Shaka (FPATT President) and Dexter Skeene and dem is some jackass that they go just let Dallas take advantage of dem.
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Nope! Then I might be compelled to watch the sh!tty MLS! I think Trini footballers have so much natural ability and the motivation to link up with leagues should be about enhancing and improving the assets a player brings to the table. I doh see how The Major League of Sh!thounds could do that. It might be more attractive for man chasing the US dollars but what else. Their own young players bolting to other leagues.
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Filho why is it some people doh get it; dey just doh see the forest from the trees.
Clubs in the PFL could be supported by MLS clubs; But the partnership with the TT Pro League is a very unique one for FC Dallas, not with a team but a league.
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Yes FC Dallas is ah club in the MLS: and the point is that the gist of the concept is being formed and there are elements of the notion embedded in this announcement. Why men does always have tuh laugh and bring people down?
relax yuhself..yuh eh see my ;D
it was a tongue in cheek comment.
but honestly. it's not the same thing from how i look at it. i think it is much more likely for a club to do something like this than the league itself. if I said that the PFL developed a relationship with Real Madrid, it's not the same as developing a relationship with La Liga. The potential benefits, though close, don't change the fact that one is far less likely than the other. Many the club relationship is even better. I thought a relationship with the MLS was very unlikely, but a very good thing if it happens. I just don't see the benefits to the MLS. But you did present a very good idea and it manifested itself in a different way. good stuff.
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Nope! Then I might be compelled to watch the sh!tty MLS! I think Trini footballers have so much natural ability and the motivation to link up with leagues should be about enhancing and improving the assets a player brings to the table. I doh see how The Major League of Sh!thounds could do that. It might be more attractive for man chasing the US dollars but what else. Their own young players bolting to other leagues.
The problem sometimes is not who you should and want to link up with but is who want to link up with you,you always have to creep first,which big league wants to link up with our Pro league,we can't even think of having a Caribbean Pro league because the islands can't link up/come together,everybody coming to T&T does that improve or make our league better is any ones guess,just my thought i think it's a plus because it's not just MLS the Brazilians are also involved and who knows this thing could expand even more,at the moment it seems everybody starting to head to the MLS why wait till it's too late,the people accept us i don't think we are too big a country to refuse,our league needs this.Sometimes we don't know how much work does go into putting things like this together,it also takes a lot of who knows who too.
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In my humble opinion, Yuh know sometimes it appears that for come folks it is easier to be critical than correct. Whatever the level of partnership at this time, this is a starting point from which we could begin to build and create an ethos of professionalism in different facets of the local pro league.
Understandably, if this partnership results in more of our local players getting an opportunity for exposure, skill development, and a possible job overseas, that can't be too bad can it?
If this venture results in us building capacity in areas of marketing, promotion and management, that can't be too bad can it?
So I say let's look at where our local league is at this present time, and let's see if this partnership could enhance areas of our league that would eventually result in the quality of our football programs and players.
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Nope! Then I might be compelled to watch the sh!tty MLS! I think Trini footballers have so much natural ability and the motivation to link up with leagues should be about enhancing and improving the assets a player brings to the table. I doh see how The Major League of Sh!thounds could do that. It might be more attractive for man chasing the US dollars but what else. Their own young players bolting to other leagues.
The problem sometimes is not who you should and want to link up with but is who want to link up with you,you always have to creep first,which big league wants to link up with our Pro league,we can't even think of having a Caribbean Pro league because the islands can't link up/come together,everybody coming to T&T does that improve or make our league better is any ones guess,just my thought i think it's a plus because it's not just MLS the Brazilians are also involved and who knows this thing could expand even more,at the moment it seems everybody starting to head to the MLS why wait till it's too late,the people accept us i don't think we are too big a country to refuse,our league needs this.Sometimes we don't know how much work does go into putting things like this together,it also takes a lot of who knows who too.
Coop's, I have to agree with you despite my disdain for the end product that is the mls msl misled. However, I don't think that we can expect any association with any outside influence as a path to improving our end product that is the TT Pro League without stressing of taking whatever we learn and passing it, not filtering it, straight down to our youths. We are always talking about what it would take to improve our football and we are always wanting to fire/hire this coach or that coach for our Senior team, and people on this thread are already talking about men getting opportunities to play abroad and what not, but every little lesson that we can and are willing to learn from these affiliations has to be implemented, practiced and perfected at the youth level with even more emphasis than at the senior and club level if we expect these pipe dreams to come true. I do want to believe though, that what we are witnessing is a slow and inevitable changing of the guard as far as Shaka Hislop's, Lincoln Philips' and other people's involvement in T&T football is concerned. I'm sure there are other players behind the scenes whose philosophies are more progressive than the band of thieves we have running our football and are working hard to bring about the necessary change. Only time will tell though. It's just a matter of how much time it will take.
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Well this is a connection with an MLS team not the MLS so the team could partner up with whom ever the MLS will not look to PFL for a partnership reason being they are trying to get big league team not a small island trust the MLS don’t treat our players right.
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add: sorry, response was to bakes
ah was good with yuh untill yuh hit meh up with YOU ppl? We is big man talkin! right now is you an me talkin, not you an dem ppl, an me doh kknow dem ppl yuh throwin meh in with, if yuh talkin to dem, ah go hush, if yuh talkin to me, lewwe talk...
Anyway, research lilbit an see how much team that pass through Trinidad or that we visit(1) and see through the intial relationships, how we had established viable contacts, that still has our footbal in the quandry it is today..it politically correct, when yuh visit the host to talk all kinda ting, and feel good bout ah lot, but distance an reality tends to lead everybody down ah different path...not always bad, and ripoff,(so ah don't think "Our" ;D ppl are foolish), is just that reality steps in an euphoria of the moment is forgotten...there are so much things happening at present with our football that we can be distracted by the joy of any lil fete match event, and talk all kinda ting bout doing regularly, and exchanging this an dat, realistically, then yuh hear, oh we made another plan..to borrow from some posters - ammm, Portsmouth decided to do ah US tour, an we would have to postpone , aaammm, Crossfire in town, an stadium book dat day, aaam death in the family...allkinda reasonable excuse...
I am not sayin this particular realtionship would be a bad thing, I am sayin, it cannot be yet considered a partnership, just a relationship, and like many, abscence an distance, just don't help dem tings..1st relationship, an den partnership, an den we see how far we both can go...but ah MLS club an we league , in my life anal ogies seem like the ole days, when the Great English shipping company, (1 of 20 in UK) having a realationship with Africa...so ah jus skeptical, dahiz all...ah jus addin FC Dallas to meh skeptical list, ah not turnin meh back on dem or anyone else...jus keepin meh eyes open, even if the brain likin what it thinkin
(1) I remember Santos, Chelsea, Newcastle, Westham ?, ah nex Brazlian team, an ah slew of smaller world class clubs, and non-world class
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Maxg,
We been through the glory years, the years of exploitation and the years of corruption. It appears that we gone from 'massa days' to 'master days' and the results seems to be the same.
If at the end of this era in our football development, players and programs could move beyond what is, them we could truly say that we are emancipated from the residues of mental enslavement to those beyond our grasp.
Today I could only fight up with the cold and wish that when ah ready for the warmer climes things go get better.
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Well this is a connection with an MLS team not the MLS so the team could partner up with whom ever the MLS will not look to PFL for a partnership reason being they are trying to get big league team not a small island trust the MLS don’t treat our players right.
Breds look at how we does treat our own players what do you expect from the MLS?how do we treat MLS players?i might be wrong but what can we do for them?this is all about us.
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Nope! Then I might be compelled to watch the sh!tty MLS! I think Trini footballers have so much natural ability and the motivation to link up with leagues should be about enhancing and improving the assets a player brings to the table. I doh see how The Major League of Sh!thounds could do that. It might be more attractive for man chasing the US dollars but what else. Their own young players bolting to other leagues.
... at the moment it seems everybody starting to head to the MLS why wait till it's too late,the people accept us i don't think we are too big a country to refuse,our league needs this.Sometimes we don't know how much work does go into putting things like this together,it also takes a lot of who knows who too.
...and the crowd said AMEN!
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The one thing I see missing in a lot of arguments is that this is a business relationship. The Hunt Sporting Foundation which owns Dallas F.C. isn't going to enter into a relationship where they would lose money.
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add: sorry, response was to bakes
ah was good with yuh untill yuh hit meh up with YOU ppl? We is big man talkin! right now is you an me talkin, not you an dem ppl, an me doh kknow dem ppl yuh throwin meh in with, if yuh talkin to dem, ah go hush, if yuh talkin to me, lewwe talk...
Anyway, research lilbit an see how much team that pass through Trinidad or that we visit(1) and see through the intial relationships, how we had established viable contacts, that still has our footbal in the quandry it is today..it politically correct, when yuh visit the host to talk all kinda ting, and feel good bout ah lot, but distance an reality tends to lead everybody down ah different path...not always bad, and ripoff,(so ah don't think "Our" ;D ppl are foolish), is just that reality steps in an euphoria of the moment is forgotten...there are so much things happening at present with our football that we can be distracted by the joy of any lil fete match event, and talk all kinda ting bout doing regularly, and exchanging this an dat, realistically, then yuh hear, oh we made another plan..to borrow from some posters - ammm, Portsmouth decided to do ah US tour, an we would have to postpone , aaammm, Crossfire in town, an stadium book dat day, aaam death in the family...allkinda reasonable excuse...
I am not sayin this particular realtionship would be a bad thing, I am sayin, it cannot be yet considered a partnership, just a relationship, and like many, abscence an distance, just don't help dem tings..1st relationship, an den partnership, an den we see how far we both can go...but ah MLS club an we league , in my life anal ogies seem like the ole days, when the Great English shipping company, (1 of 20 in UK) having a realationship with Africa...so ah jus skeptical, dahiz all...ah jus addin FC Dallas to meh skeptical list, ah not turnin meh back on dem or anyone else...jus keepin meh eyes open, even if the brain likin what it thinkin
(1) I remember Santos, Chelsea, Newcastle, Westham ?, ah nex Brazlian team, an ah slew of smaller world class clubs, and non-world class
I use "YOU people" to collectively refer to all the critics of the move...in that one part of the response. The rest was to you specifically though.
Let me ask you this...you said other clubs visited and claimed to establish partnerships and what-not...and nothing came of it. Can you elaborate...from what you recall of course, can't expect you to remember every little detail.
That said...I'm optimistic given the ties between Shaka and Lincoln Phillips to FC Dallas. I'm also optimistic because in an increasing shrinking world with top-tier leagues mining talent from all over the world...that clubs want every little bit of advantage they can get over their competitors in identifying and signing new talent. This partnership gives Dallas the leg up on any other MLS competitor when it comes to PFL talent, they'll have the first shot in all likelihood.
I'm also optimistic because TnT has proven it's footballing worth to the world anew. Following the initial successes of the generation that almost got us to qualification in 1974 there really hadn't been much attention paid to our professional players, until Latas and Yorke. Since then there has been a trickle...but now since Germany many more clubs are paying attention and are interested in our players.
Finally, proximity and the fact that the MLS is a new entity (relative to those times you reference) that's shown a keen interest in partnering with others...likely means that there is much fruit that can be borne by this particular tree.
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Well this is a connection with an MLS team not the MLS so the team could partner up with whom ever the MLS will not look to PFL for a partnership reason being they are trying to get big league team not a small island trust the MLS don’t treat our players right.
Breds look at how we does treat our own players what do you expect from the MLS?how do we treat MLS players?i might be wrong but what can we do for them?this is all about us.
This is my toughs exactly they have no incentive to have a partnership with the PFL our best bet is getting on board with FSC or GOL TV
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Breds look at how we does treat our own players what do you expect from the MLS?how do we treat MLS players?i might be wrong but what can we do for them?this is all about us.
This is my toughs exactly they have no incentive to have a partnership with the PFL our best bet is getting on board with FSC or GOL TV
Lol :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Sorry...di'n mean to laff so hard. So Bally, why yuh doh write up de proposal and send it tuh FSC/GOL TV...ah sure is something that never cross dey mind before.
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I tried to google the last "talk" ah remember( was with Newcastle), and all I found was this.
So whey our boys happen to end up, Sunderland !
Ah think Shaka mighta be at Newcastle at some time, + Robson bring Yorke
what eventually happened, we had 2 boys who went somewhey, where was it...ah think Porstmouth(Shaka was dey too), and whappen, the letter fiasco, bottom line...nothing...
did we with dem have a disagreement, ah getaway..no nuthen so drastic...jus real world
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20000413/ai_n14299895
The only thing I deducing is everywhere Shaka is, he establishing a relationship, but thru no fault of his, it doh wuk, whatever the reason..Now ah wouldn't go as far to say it will never wuk, a jus sayin we have to establish a plan to make it wuk, if that is what the ppl of the PFL really want..
Question: Let's say, the league hook up with FC Dallas, and we sign papers and thinghs going nice, nice...an along comes "KJ 2", or "Hardest 2" or a "special 1", and Keane say, Yorkie here 6 million, get him,-buh try an pay 250 k, he still from only T&T - and NE Stars, say, well boy, finally we get ah lil break, whaaa..was Touch an go yes...and FC Dallas say, "aammm, excuse me guys, is there a deal happening here ?, with one of our players ? We were just sendin for him, bro! Sorry ole chap. But if you really want, can have him for 400k,...NE is 100 k good with you, we have to give your league 50 k "...NE: Grumble, grumble ....Player: how come all I gettin is 20 k boss, dah only covering food & rent ? ....Boss: Rookie salary, plus there is a clause with yuh past club, don't worry we will take care of everything next year, just work hard produce, and you have nothing to worry bout...but don't get injured on International breaks eh son.. All bets might be orf..heh, heh ?
Of Course is jus a BS story, buh it jus to indicate, why care have to be taken with entering any agreement, and why some PA should be involved in all dealings cause it must benefit the player as well..
Even with PA around it still goes on today, especially with ppl from smaller countries..so I just saying not wheter is a good thing or bad thing, cause ah really cyah comment, as ah doh know...but be careful in the dealings, if any come to pass at all...and the fact that we whole league tying up with one club, seem like "Putting all one's eggs in the same basket"
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Breds look at how we does treat our own players what do you expect from the MLS?how do we treat MLS players?i might be wrong but what can we do for them?this is all about us.
This is my toughs exactly they have no incentive to have a partnership with the PFL our best bet is getting on board with FSC or GOL TV
Lol :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Sorry...di'n mean to laff so hard. So Bally, why yuh doh write up de proposal and send it tuh FSC/GOL TV...ah sure is something that never cross dey mind before.
Why not I’m not saying right away but in the future when yah think small yah get small think all yah get is big things
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Maxg i think this is what happening,we have people in positions now to help our players Shaka,Lincoln etc etc because we are established now,we are getting the options/opportunities but our products are some how not living up to the standards people expect,it's one of the reasons all these deals being created ends up falling through,our players are not star quality players once they get out there, by that i mean they are not the players that attract the crowds/money makers so management mentality is why not try something else.People can only do so much for us,our players can't be spoon fed all the time,i'm always hearing they are inexperience,how/when are they going to get it?
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WELL WELL WELL at least somebody could have said thanks for the idea!!!!!!!
Now there is a partnership with FC Dallas!!!! ent ah say so.........
nice try..dat is a partnership with a club. not the MLS ;D
Same thing.
Hear me nah BnS. Doh study all this talk from AB that men fight down his thread.
De man say a collaboration with the MLS and the PFL would be a good move.
The response was that it would be a good move for the PFL, but it not likely to happen. It was hard to see the benefits to the MLS epecially since that post was made right after the MLS had forged some kind of relationship with the EPL (I think). Simple opinion. Nobody say the idea stupid or worthless. just unlikely to happen. But dat bend AB all outta shape. But nobody fight de man idea down...check dat properly. de thread fall apart when AB showed he clearly can't handle a mature discussion with someone who challenge his ideas. If yuh agree 100%, yuh good..otherwise is tears. So bringing up dis 'I told you so' thing is real rubbish. very immature..
So anyhow...when FC Dallas signal their intent, I was more than happy..and as far as I see, that does not change my opinion that such a relationship being forged with the MLS is still unlikely. has it happened? no..Does it matter if it is the MLS or an MLS club...NOPE. might even be better that it is a single entity. but if you and i were having a discussion on the likelihood of the PFL linking up with the EPL or with Sunderland..it would be two very different discussions..one is likely, the other..not so much. both beneficial to the PFL. That is where I coming from..so it's not the same thing.
Of course. watch and see the MLS will go and sign a contract with the PFL next week ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I tried to google the last "talk" ah remember( was with Newcastle), and all I found was this.
So whey our boys happen to end up, Sunderland !
Ah think Shaka mighta be at Newcastle at some time, + Robson bring Yorke
what eventually happened, we had 2 boys who went somewhey, where was it...ah think Porstmouth(Shaka was dey too), and whappen, the letter fiasco, bottom line...nothing...
did we with dem have a disagreement, ah getaway..no nuthen so drastic...jus real world
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20000413/ai_n14299895
The only thing I deducing is everywhere Shaka is, he establishing a relationship, but thru no fault of his, it doh wuk, whatever the reason..Now ah wouldn't go as far to say it will never wuk, a jus sayin we have to establish a plan to make it wuk, if that is what the ppl of the PFL really want..
Question: Let's say, the league hook up with FC Dallas, and we sign papers and thinghs going nice, nice...an along comes "KJ 2", or "Hardest 2" or a "special 1", and Keane say, Yorkie here 6 million, get him,-buh try an pay 250 k, he still from only T&T - and NE Stars, say, well boy, finally we get ah lil break, whaaa..was Touch an go yes...and FC Dallas say, "aammm, excuse me guys, is there a deal happening here ?, with one of our players ? We were just sendin for him, bro! Sorry ole chap. But if you really want, can have him for 400k,...NE is 100 k good with you, we have to give your league 50 k "...NE: Grumble, grumble ....Player: how come all I gettin is 20 k boss, dah only covering food & rent ? ....Boss: Rookie salary, plus there is a clause with yuh past club, don't worry we will take care of everything next year, just work hard produce, and you have nothing to worry bout...but don't get injured on International breaks eh son.. All bets might be orf..heh, heh ?
Of Course is jus a BS story, buh it jus to indicate, why care have to be taken with entering any agreement, and why some PA should be involved in all dealings cause it must benefit the player as well..
Even with PA around it still goes on today, especially with ppl from smaller countries..so I just saying not wheter is a good thing or bad thing, cause ah really cyah comment, as ah doh know...but be careful in the dealings, if any come to pass at all...and the fact that we whole league tying up with one club, seem like "Putting all one's eggs in the same basket"
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Max...yuh not making any kinda sense. First off, from the link you provided
The club hope that during their eight-day visit they will establish links with the islands' major football club, CL Financial San Juan Jabloteh, with a view to possible future deals for their best players.
do you honest proffer that this vague 'hope' of establishing a relationship with Jabloteh is the same as the talks that are being discussed now?
Secondly, all this talk about blocking player movement to European clubs because Dallas have exclusive rights is not only speculative, but it's nonsense. We are all speculating since none of us are privy to the negotiations, so I can't hold you for that. But NO LEAGUE can dictate an individual player's movement. The scenario as you paint it is not only wild it is far-fetched. To posit that a player with a chance to go elsewhere will be blocked because of some 'deal' giving exclusive rights to Dallas is nonsense, and displays an ignorance for the way these relationship with 'feeder' clubs work. In essence what's being established here is a pipeline for talent from TnT to Dallas (from Dallas' perspective at least), but there's is nothing exclusive about it.
This is why I keep saying that they would likely have first dibs on the players, meaning they'd get a chance to negotiate with them first before any other North American team...but clearly these clubs recognize that you can't stand in the way of a player moving to a bigger...or even another league. They (on the strength of their established relationship) get first crack...not exclusive negotiation rights. They certainly wouldn't be in a position to say "no, you can't sign with them, you must sign with NE and NE in turn will send us a cut". nowhere in the world is this the practice...why would you think Skeene et al. so naive as to permit that to be the case here?
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Hear me nah BnS. Doh study all this talk from AB that men fight down his thread.
De man say a collaboration with the MLS and the PFL would be a good move.
The response was that it would be a good move for the PFL, but it not likely to happen. It was hard to see the benefits to the MLS epecially since that post was made right after the MLS had forged some kind of relationship with the EPL (I think). Simple opinion. Nobody say the idea stupid or worthless. just unlikely to happen. But dat bend AB all outta shape. But nobody fight de man idea down...check dat properly. de thread fall apart when AB showed he clearly can't handle a mature discussion with someone who challenge his ideas. If yuh agree 100%, yuh good..otherwise is tears. So bringing up dis 'I told you so' thing is real rubbish. very immature..
So anyhow...when FC Dallas signal their intent, I was more than happy..and as far as I see, that does not change my opinion that such a relationship being forged with the MLS is still unlikely. has it happened? no..Does it matter if it is the MLS or an MLS club...NOPE. might even be better that it is a single entity. but if you and i were having a discussion on the likelihood of the PFL linking up with the EPL or with Sunderland..it would be two very different discussions..one is likely, the other..not so much. both beneficial to the PFL. That is where I coming from..so it's not the same thing.
Of course. watch and see the MLS will go and sign a contract with the PFL next week ;D ;D ;D ;D
lmao at the last statement...ent! :rotfl:
But anyways, nah I went and read de thread...he get fight down in dey. Some ah allyuh give him licks fuh getting petulant when allyuh di'n readily cosign on he point. It had other men in dey doh sayin it was ah shit idea and MLS ent shit and it would be ah waste ah time or what not. A.B being ah bit sensitive about de fight dong he ketch...ah could clearly see it, but yuh cyah blame him for feeling vindicated. Yuh see this goes back to the 'groupthink' mentality that I decried when I first started posting heavy back in the summer. Yuh say something that runs counter tuh de majority opinion and next thing yuh know de pack circle yuh waiting fuh de first bit ah blows tuh past den everybody pile on. Some men will hold dey grung and lash back, but others simply won't. Seems like A.B. declined tuh fight back dat day so now he coming to have he say.
I also see your point on negotiating with club versus whole league not being the same...but I say same thing because at the end of the day the benefits (potentially) for the PFL amounts to be the same, even if the scale is reduced.
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ah have to check something, as ah say the details don't stay with the ole brain, buh ah know it involved the MLS, and a few of their players, one being Stern John at Notingham Forest. I did not mean that the player would get blocked, as much as the the local club (an player) not getting the most benefit from the deals in question. This was the main point of my post, and of course I obviously didn't get my point across, maybe thus why my post seemed like so much nonsense. However, as you correctly state, everything I did put forward is all hypothetical, but isn't most everything we discuss before the final conclusion? We could discuss final conclusions, and make total sense, yet the beauty about this game is the final result many times not always predictable, on the field or orf. Subsequently, I wish the union all the best as far as successes(for all parties involved), it's just that real dealings as far as TT football is concerned, have many times petered out not in the best interest of our game...but of course, my observations of such could be incorrect, ah cyah dispute that either...am I making any kinda sense, or just talkin dada again ?
Ah must say doh, we seemed to have had, in the KJ deal, make a fantastic contractual benefit..Yet to be honest, I saw his quality/worth from day one(even if our snr National coaches and many forumites disagreed on timing), yet doh ah still think him capable of much more, both as a player and a business venture, one will jus have to wait untill that and all books are closed to discuss
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I really cyah get too technical but I feel that the partnership is good. Meh blood jess tek it. ;D
Deep down we all know that ;)
Maybe the term "partnership made in heaven" was too romanticized and inevitably caused a backlash.
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Hear me nah BnS. Doh study all this talk from AB that men fight down his thread.
De man say a collaboration with the MLS and the PFL would be a good move.
The response was that it would be a good move for the PFL, but it not likely to happen. It was hard to see the benefits to the MLS epecially since that post was made right after the MLS had forged some kind of relationship with the EPL (I think). Simple opinion. Nobody say the idea stupid or worthless. just unlikely to happen. But dat bend AB all outta shape. But nobody fight de man idea down...check dat properly. de thread fall apart when AB showed he clearly can't handle a mature discussion with someone who challenge his ideas. If yuh agree 100%, yuh good..otherwise is tears. So bringing up dis 'I told you so' thing is real rubbish. very immature..
So anyhow...when FC Dallas signal their intent, I was more than happy..and as far as I see, that does not change my opinion that such a relationship being forged with the MLS is still unlikely. has it happened? no..Does it matter if it is the MLS or an MLS club...NOPE. might even be better that it is a single entity. but if you and i were having a discussion on the likelihood of the PFL linking up with the EPL or with Sunderland..it would be two very different discussions..one is likely, the other..not so much. both beneficial to the PFL. That is where I coming from..so it's not the same thing.
Of course. watch and see the MLS will go and sign a contract with the PFL next week ;D ;D ;D ;D
lmao at the last statement...ent! :rotfl:
But anyways, nah I went and read de thread...he get fight down in dey. Some ah allyuh give him licks fuh getting petulant when allyuh di'n readily cosign on he point. It had other men in dey doh sayin it was ah shit idea and MLS ent shit and it would be ah waste ah time or what not. A.B being ah bit sensitive about de fight dong he ketch...ah could clearly see it, but yuh cyah blame him for feeling vindicated. Yuh see this goes back to the 'groupthink' mentality that I decried when I first started posting heavy back in the summer. Yuh say something that runs counter tuh de majority opinion and next thing yuh know de pack circle yuh waiting fuh de first bit ah blows tuh past den everybody pile on. Some men will hold dey grung and lash back, but others simply won't. Seems like A.B. declined tuh fight back dat day so now he coming to have he say.
I also see your point on negotiating with club versus whole league not being the same...but I say same thing because at the end of the day the benefits (potentially) for the PFL amounts to be the same, even if the scale is reduced.
yeah..even though i doh really know the nature of the agreement..it could only be a good thing. i hope. the fact that it is a club vs the league might even work more in our favor :beermug:
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ah have to check something, as ah say the details don't stay with the ole brain, buh ah know it involved the MLS, and a few of their players, one being Stern John at Notingham Forest. I did not mean that the player would get blocked, as much as the the local club (an player) not getting the most benefit from the deals in question. This was the main point of my post, and of course I obviously didn't get my point across, maybe thus why my post seemed like so much nonsense. However, as you correctly state, everything I did put forward is all hypothetical, but isn't most everything we discuss before the final conclusion? We could discuss final conclusions, and make total sense, yet the beauty about this game is the final result many times not always predictable, on the field or orf. Subsequently, I wish the union all the best as far as successes(for all parties involved), it's just that real dealings as far as TT football is concerned, have many times petered out not in the best interest of our game...but of course, my observations of such could be incorrect, ah cyah dispute that either...am I making any kinda sense, or just talkin dada again ?
Ah must say doh, we seemed to have had, in the KJ deal, make a fantastic contractual benefit..Yet to be honest, I saw his quality/worth from day one(even if our snr National coaches and many forumites disagreed on timing), yet doh ah still think him capable of much more, both as a player and a business venture, one will jus have to wait untill that and all books are closed to discuss
Nah I wouldn't go as far as to say yuh was talking nonsense...when ah say yuh not making sense, was in terms of formulating any sort of rational opposition to the partnership...nothing of what you said seemed a sound opposing argument, was all I meant. And of course all of us speculating as we both said, so who knows that the true details may hold...and who knows how all of this will play out. I just think that there is real reason for optimism where this particular deal is concerned...I like it...like Dreamer say, mih blood juss take it, lol :beermug:
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how this going, any tryouts yet, ah end of season return game in the works ? any word, anything ? maybe it too soon, or timin not good now. Any other Carib on dey roster ? how come Jab quite celtic to get blank, and we hae partnership right there ? ...ah was being sarc. eh...but seriously any word ? Is Shaka still involved with them
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Max you make mih take all kinda chain up...I busy responding tuh all kinda old post in here :D
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doh dig...ah have ah ulterior motive here..
it's really ah pipe dream, hoping Shaka & dallas, could if he read this, can get them to give us some backroom assistance in getting our PFL MVP ah little permit/Visa issue cleared up, with ah invite to some kinda trial, arrangement something something.....December not that long ago !
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We talked about this and yet we still in
The same place- imagine if each TnT pro league team was a development team for a foreign base club- think of the potential in terms of player development- skill development -
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We talked about this and yet we still in
The same place- imagine if each TnT pro league team was a development team for a foreign base club- think of the potential in terms of player development- skill development -
No thanks. Its the death of football - why should we care if they're just a feeder for some foreign club? Sounds like a novel form of neo colonialism