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Chief: At least 20 dead in campus shootings
CNN) -- The Virginia Tech police chief said at least 20 people were killed in twin shootings on the Blacksburg campus Monday morning.
"Some victims were shot in a classroom," Chief Wendell Flinchum said, adding that the gunman was dead.
"Today the university was struck with a tragedy that we consider of monumental proportions," said university President Charles Steger. "The university is shocked and indeed horrified." (Map of Blacksburg)
The attacks mark the worst school shooting incident since 1999 when Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris killed 12 students and a teacher before killing themselves at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado.
A hospital spokeswoman told The Associated Press that 17 Virginia Tech students were being treated for gunshot wounds and other injuries.
Sharon Honaker at the Carilion New River Valley Medical Center told CNN that four patients had been transported there, one in critical condition.
One person was killed and others were wounded at multiple locations inside a dormitory about 7:15 a.m., Flinchum said. Two hours later, another shooting at Norris Hall, the engineering science and mechanics building, resulted in multiple casualties, the university reported. (Watch police, ambulances hustle to the scene )
The first reported shooting occurred at West Ambler Johnston Hall, a co-ed dormitory that houses 895 students. The dormitory, one of the largest residence halls on the 2,600-acre campus, is located near the drill field and stadium.
Amie Steele, editor-in-chief of the campus newspaper, said one of her reporters at the dormitory reported "mass chaos."
The reporter said there were "lots of students running around, going crazy, and the police officers were trying to settle everyone down and keep everything under control," according to Steele.
Kristyn Heiser said she was in class about 9:30 a.m. when she and her classmates saw about six gun-wielding police officers run by a window.
"We were like, 'What's going on?' Because this definitely is a quaint town where stuff doesn't really happen. It's pretty boring here," said Heiser during a phone interview as she sat on her classroom floor.
Student Matt Waldron said he did not hear the gunshots because he was listening to music, but he heard police sirens and saw officers hiding behind trees with their guns drawn.
"They told us to get out of there so we ran across the drill field as quick as we could," he said.
Waldron described the scene on campus as "mayhem." (Watch a student's recording of police responding to loud bangs )
"It was kind of scary," he said. "These two kids I guess had panicked and jumped out of the top story window and the one kid broke his ankle and the other girl was not in good shape just lying on the ground."
Madison Van Duyne said she and her classmates in a media writing class were on "lockdown" in their classrooms. They were huddled in the middle of the classroom, writing stories about the shootings and posting them online.
The university is updating its 26,000 students through e-mails, and an Internet webcam is broadcasting live pictures of the campus.
The shootings came three days after a bomb threat Friday forced the cancellation of classes in three buildings, WDBJ in Roanoke reported. Also, the 100,000-square-foot Torgersen Hall was evacuated April 2 after police received a written bomb threat, The Roanoke Times reported.
After the Monday shootings, students were instructed to stay indoors and away from windows, police at the university said.
"A gunman is loose on campus. Stay in buildings until further notice. Stay away from all windows," read a warning from the university.
"Virginia Tech has canceled all classes. Those on campus are asked to remain where they are, lock their doors and stay away from windows. Persons off campus are asked not to come to campus," a statement on the university Web site said.
Copyright 2007 CNN. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Those of us living in Va know that most of the state have connetions to either UVA or Tech.
people in a mess out here, trying to find out about loved ones.
And to think i nearly went to Tech...
Now we'll get the long pointless debate about gun-control, violent music and video games.
I have to ask, why these ppl can never just take they own life, why they have to end it for others as well?
Also, this kind of comment that could start fights, but you could imagine what a typical day in Iraq or Darfur, or any number of war-torn areas must be like?
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i doh get it ... why? why do members of the human race feel is OK to take life?
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i doh get it ... why? why do members of the human race feel is OK to take life?
dis real sad.
ah wonder if is an ex student or soemthign?
is this situation still on going??
pecan maybe the person had some issues growng up. dais a common escuxe dese days.
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my prayers and best wishes go out to the victims and their families
may their God give them ALL the strength they may need to deal with this very sad situation.
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i was just reading this myself.....sad sad day :'(
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I just saw this on the TV at lunch time. Terrible, terrible. :'(
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de numbers are increasing
Now 29 confirmed dead (including the shooter)
real sad
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pecan maybe the person had some issues growng up. dais a common escuxe dese days.
OUCH!! :-X
That real sad.. TWENTY people? dred.....why dem fellahs jus doh off deyself first and done?
wiping out innocent people and wrecking twenty families because dey selfish
This will definitely ignite the gun control debates and sad to say but finally focus the news on something newsworthy rather than crap like Imus and anna nichole
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pecan maybe the person had some issues growng up. dais a common escuxe dese days.
OUCH!! :-X
That real sad.. TWENTY people? dred.....why dem fellahs jus doh off deyself first and done?
wiping out innocent people and wrecking twenty families because dey selfish
This will definitely ignite the gun control debates and sad to say but finally focus the news on something newsworthy rather than crap like Imus and anna nichole
for real..
like america media tryign they best to ignore alld e people dying in de middle east.
death is a death.
this is very sad. but happens often enought o take note in northamerica
shooting in unis
any of the premier psychologists in here have a theorY?
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This am when the story first break they mentioned 1 dead... now I juss eating meh lunch and flicking by cnn.. WOW! Can't even imagine being a parent wondering about my child.
BTW.. have anyone peeped Truetrini lately?.. since he get buff on the forum (love/tabanca is ah funny ting oui) as juss hope eh eh gone kookoo!
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This am when the story first break they mentioned 1 dead... now I juss eating meh lunch and flicking by cnn.. WOW! Can't even imagine being a parent wondering about my child.
BTW.. have anyone peeped Truetrini lately?.. since he get buff on the forum (love/tabanca is ah funny ting oui) as juss hope eh eh gone kookoo!
de man was posting yesterday
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=26808.msg300490#msg300490
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Fox news saying 32 dead, 28 wounded. The man shoot 60 people...
But is Fox, so I would take that # with a heavy dose of salt.
The internet is an interesting place. where people like you and me can speak your mind anonymously. So on some other sites I frequent the debate has already turned to Gun Control.
the pro-side says, if he couldn't buy these guns, he wouldn't be able to shoot all these people.
the con side says, if other people in class had guns, one of them woulda kill him already.
Of course, the ultimate responsibility for violence rests with the person committing it. The only people I give a pass to are soldiers. if you decide to chop up your wife. gun control doesn't help her.
Like much in America though there is no middle groud on contentious issues, it's eiter one view or the other.
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de problem is not Gun Control or Freedom to bear arms ..
I tink de real issue is what in the culture and value systems allow these incidents to manifest.
These tragedies have occurred in one form or another over the history of mankind.
Global communication allow these incidents to reach our homes in no time at all. Before we did not know about it or did not get de ful story.
At times like dis, I wonder about the viability of the human race to survive as a species.
I wonder how many ppl will die in Bagdad today (an Yes, I realize dat Iraq is a war zone and Virgina Tech was not)
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Fox news saying 32 dead, 28 wounded. The man shoot 60 people...
But is Fox, so I would take that # with a heavy dose of salt.
The internet is an interesting place. where people like you and me can speak your mind anonymously. So on some other sites I frequent the debate has already turned to Gun Control.
the pro-side says, if he couldn't buy these guns, he wouldn't be able to shoot all these people.
the con side says, if other people in class had guns, one of them woulda kill him already.
Of course, the ultimate responsibility for violence rests with the person committing it. The only people I give a pass to are soldiers. if you decide to chop up your wife. gun control doesn't help her.
Like much in America though there is no middle groud on contentious issues, it's eiter one view or the other.
CNN say 31 dead.....so far. :'( :'(
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geez, that is a real madman let loose. :(
if you want to keep the hospitals and morgues busy. if you want to keep the lead industry and firearms industry churning out product. if you are a true capitalist and your soul tied to GDP, then gun control is a bad thing.
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de problem is not Gun Control or Freedom to bear arms ..
I tink de real issue is what in the culture and value systems allow these incidents to manifest.
These tragedies have occurred in one form or another over the history of mankind.
Global communication allow these incidents to reach our homes in no time at all. Before we did not know about it or did not get de ful story.
At times like dis, I wonder about the viability of the human race to survive as a species.
I wonder how many ppl will die in Bagdad today (an Yes, I realize dat Iraq is a war zone and Virgina Tech was not)
or right :'(
cbc saying 31 dead
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academics is real badman.
_Sept. 2, 2006: Douglas W. Pennington, 49, kills himself and his two sons, Logan P. Pennington, 26, and Benjamin M. Pennington, 24, during a visit to the campus of Shepherd University in Shepherdstown, W.Va.
_Oct. 28, 2002: Failing University of Arizona Nursing College student and Gulf War veteran Robert Flores, 40, walks into an instructor's office and fatally shoots her. A few minutes later, armed with five guns, he enters one of his nursing classrooms and kills two more of his instructors before fatally shooting himself.
_Jan. 16, 2002: Graduate student Peter Odighizuwa, 42, recently dismissed from Virginia's Appalachian School of Law, returns to campus and kills the dean, a professor and a student before being tackled by students. The attack also wounds three female students.
_Aug. 28, 2000: James Easton Kelly, 36, a University of Arkansas graduate student recently dropped from a doctoral program after a decade of study and John Locke, 67, the English professor overseeing his coursework, are shot to death in an apparent murder-suicide.
_Aug. 15, 1996: Frederick Martin Davidson, 36, a graduate engineering student at San Diego State, is defending his thesis before a faculty committee when he pulls out a handgun and kills three professors.
_Nov. 1, 1991: Gang Lu, 28, a graduate student in physics from China, reportedly upset because he was passed over for an academic honor, opens fire in two buildings on the University of Iowa campus. Five University of Iowa employees killed, including four members of the physics department, two other people are wounded. The student fatally shoots himself.
_May 4, 1970: Four students were killed and nine wounded by National Guard troops called in to quell anti-war protests on the campus of Kent State University in Ohio.
_Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman points a rifle from the observation deck of the University of Texas at Austin's Tower and begins shooting in a homicidal rampage that goes on for 96 minutes. Sixteen people are killed, 31 wounded.
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academics is real badman.
_Sept. 2, 2006: Douglas W. Pennington, 49, kills himself and his two sons, Logan P. Pennington, 26, and Benjamin M. Pennington, 24, during a visit to the campus of Shepherd University in Shepherdstown, W.Va.
_Oct. 28, 2002: Failing University of Arizona Nursing College student and Gulf War veteran Robert Flores, 40, walks into an instructor's office and fatally shoots her. A few minutes later, armed with five guns, he enters one of his nursing classrooms and kills two more of his instructors before fatally shooting himself.
_Jan. 16, 2002: Graduate student Peter Odighizuwa, 42, recently dismissed from Virginia's Appalachian School of Law, returns to campus and kills the dean, a professor and a student before being tackled by students. The attack also wounds three female students.
_Aug. 28, 2000: James Easton Kelly, 36, a University of Arkansas graduate student recently dropped from a doctoral program after a decade of study and John Locke, 67, the English professor overseeing his coursework, are shot to death in an apparent murder-suicide.
_Aug. 15, 1996: Frederick Martin Davidson, 36, a graduate engineering student at San Diego State, is defending his thesis before a faculty committee when he pulls out a handgun and kills three professors.
_Nov. 1, 1991: Gang Lu, 28, a graduate student in physics from China, reportedly upset because he was passed over for an academic honor, opens fire in two buildings on the University of Iowa campus. Five University of Iowa employees killed, including four members of the physics department, two other people are wounded. The student fatally shoots himself.
_May 4, 1970: Four students were killed and nine wounded by National Guard troops called in to quell anti-war protests on the campus of Kent State University in Ohio.
_Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman points a rifle from the observation deck of the University of Texas at Austin's Tower and begins shooting in a homicidal rampage that goes on for 96 minutes. Sixteen people are killed, 31 wounded.
look how much ah dem is murder suicides.. and americans claim to eb flabbergasted about suicide bombers. and even kamakazie during world war 2
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wow, i work on a university campus...to think that something like that could happen here. wow. my prayers go out to the families of the victims.
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geez, that is a real madman let loose. :(
if you want to keep the hospitals and morgues busy. if you want to keep the lead industry and firearms industry churning out product. if you are a true capitalist and your soul tied to GDP, then gun control is a bad thing.
The guns laws in the state of virginia are somewhat antiquated. Unfortunately the powers that be have the NRA's backing.
Sad day at VTech...
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Dis is really sad >:( On the news this morning before ah leave home it was 1 dead and 17 injured...now ah reading 31 dead :o and the 2nd shooting happened 2 hrs after the 1st...what happened between that time ??? dis place crazy oui
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as far as i can tell, he shoot somebody on one side of campus, then while all the police and security over there he went to the other side of campus and started systematically shooting people over there. Possibly chaining the doors to prevent escape.
This wasn't no crime of passion, no tabanca ting, he plan this one out.
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academics is real badman.
_Sept. 2, 2006: Douglas W. Pennington, 49, kills himself and his two sons, Logan P. Pennington, 26, and Benjamin M. Pennington, 24, during a visit to the campus of Shepherd University in Shepherdstown, W.Va.
_Oct. 28, 2002: Failing University of Arizona Nursing College student and Gulf War veteran Robert Flores, 40, walks into an instructor's office and fatally shoots her. A few minutes later, armed with five guns, he enters one of his nursing classrooms and kills two more of his instructors before fatally shooting himself.
_Jan. 16, 2002: Graduate student Peter Odighizuwa, 42, recently dismissed from Virginia's Appalachian School of Law, returns to campus and kills the dean, a professor and a student before being tackled by students. The attack also wounds three female students.
_Aug. 28, 2000: James Easton Kelly, 36, a University of Arkansas graduate student recently dropped from a doctoral program after a decade of study and John Locke, 67, the English professor overseeing his coursework, are shot to death in an apparent murder-suicide.
_Aug. 15, 1996: Frederick Martin Davidson, 36, a graduate engineering student at San Diego State, is defending his thesis before a faculty committee when he pulls out a handgun and kills three professors.
_Nov. 1, 1991: Gang Lu, 28, a graduate student in physics from China, reportedly upset because he was passed over for an academic honor, opens fire in two buildings on the University of Iowa campus. Five University of Iowa employees killed, including four members of the physics department, two other people are wounded. The student fatally shoots himself.
_May 4, 1970: Four students were killed and nine wounded by National Guard troops called in to quell anti-war protests on the campus of Kent State University in Ohio.
_Aug. 1, 1966: Charles Whitman points a rifle from the observation deck of the University of Texas at Austin's Tower and begins shooting in a homicidal rampage that goes on for 96 minutes. Sixteen people are killed, 31 wounded.
in canada there was the marc lepine thing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_Massacre) in montreal - dec 6, 1989. 14 dead. 14 injured.
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wow, i work on a university campus...to think that something like that could happen here. wow. my prayers go out to the families of the victims.
There is already a high degree of criticism of security measures here at Tech. This is very tragic. We are still trying to find out about friends who typically teach/work in that building. Identification of the victims is not complete and as a result, people are clamouring for info. The phone service is sketchy at the best.
That said, how do you plan for a psychopath who obviously planned to kill. From reports here, it seems that it was essentially a massacre. The details are not available yet but its important to note that over the last two weeks, bomb threats have forced evacuations of instruction halls that not too far from Norris. The worst part of all of this is the constant battering from students who "knew a friend" and from the SWAT experts on the news networks.
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wow, i work on a university campus...to think that something like that could happen here. wow. my prayers go out to the families of the victims.
There is already a high degree of criticism of security measures here at Tech. This is very tragic. We are still trying to find out about friends who typically teach/work in that building. Identification of the victims is not complete and as a result, people are clamouring for info. The phone service is sketchy at the best.
That said, how do you plan for a psychopath who obviously planned to kill. From reports here, it seems that it was essentially a massacre. The details are not available yet but its important to note that over the last two weeks, bomb threats have forced evacuations of instruction halls that not too far from Norris. The worst part of all of this is the constant battering from students who "knew a friend" and from the SWAT experts on the news networks.
Hope all is well and stay strong.....
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wow, i work on a university campus...to think that something like that could happen here. wow. my prayers go out to the families of the victims.
There is already a high degree of criticism of security measures here at Tech. This is very tragic. We are still trying to find out about friends who typically teach/work in that building. Identification of the victims is not complete and as a result, people are clamouring for info. The phone service is sketchy at the best.
That said, how do you plan for a psychopath who obviously planned to kill. From reports here, it seems that it was essentially a massacre. The details are not available yet but its important to note that over the last two weeks, bomb threats have forced evacuations of instruction halls that not too far from Norris. The worst part of all of this is the constant battering from students who "knew a friend" and from the SWAT experts on the news networks.
Blessings noname.
I just heard about this and turned to CNN for the Press Conference.
All you could hear is loaded questions to the University administration and police basically condemning them for not handling the situation perfectly. They of course have hindsight and incomplete information yet they are making judgement calls about what should have been done and what was inadequate.
At a time when the main objective is to notify families and understand what happen the questions are what will be done in the future and what is the plan for these (very unpredictable) occurences.
There really is no way to handle these situations outside of being in a canstant state of emergency. A person bent on murder suicide and in possession of easily concealable handguns is an almost unstoppable threat.
Another thing that irks me is the "delight" in staistics. They alsmost take pleasure in notifying us that this is "the worst shooting tragedy in US history". In other words "this is a big news story so do not miss it, (our ratings will be great)"
Condolences to the families affected and the school community.
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well I am an RA at the school here in NY...this ting have us all a lil scared, cuz we automatically looked at how quick we could possibly lockdown this campus if something similar was to occur. Especially as people giving the police and administration so much heat for not being able to lock down their campus quickly enough. And the sad thing is we don't even think under our current system that it wud be possible to do it in even an hour here and our on campus population is so much smaller than Virginia Tech.
it really is a sad sad thing and condolences to all those who have lost loved ones there
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well I am an RA at the school here in NY...this ting have us all a lil scared, cuz we automatically looked at how quick we could possibly lockdown this campus if something similar was to occur. Especially as people giving the police and administration so much heat for not being able to lock down their campus quickly enough. And the sad thing is we don't even think under our current system that it wud be possible to do it in even an hour here and our on campus population is so much smaller than Virginia Tech.
it really is a sad sad thing and condolences to all those who have lost loved ones there
The roving reporters/corbeauxs looking for something to feed on and think they've found sufficient meat. The University president might be forced to resign after this one.
I just got word that we lost 3 people from our dept, a brilliant faculty member, a graduate student and a senior undergraduate. My undergraduate assistant lost two of his good friends as well. Keep your thoughts and with the families. Plenty pieces to pick up.
Thanks to all. The trinis/caribbean students at the university have been largely accounted for.
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well I am an RA at the school here in NY...this ting have us all a lil scared, cuz we automatically looked at how quick we could possibly lockdown this campus if something similar was to occur. Especially as people giving the police and administration so much heat for not being able to lock down their campus quickly enough. And the sad thing is we don't even think under our current system that it wud be possible to do it in even an hour here and our on campus population is so much smaller than Virginia Tech.
it really is a sad sad thing and condolences to all those who have lost loved ones there
People just like to find fault, instead of more positive thing like discussing how to be able to deal with this type of situation in a different way in the future.
Noname, all my prayers to your Dept and
I real hope this does not happen
"The University president might be forced to resign after this one. " Why ???
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well I am an RA at the school here in NY...this ting have us all a lil scared, cuz we automatically looked at how quick we could possibly lockdown this campus if something similar was to occur. Especially as people giving the police and administration so much heat for not being able to lock down their campus quickly enough. And the sad thing is we don't even think under our current system that it wud be possible to do it in even an hour here and our on campus population is so much smaller than Virginia Tech.
it really is a sad sad thing and condolences to all those who have lost loved ones there
People just like to find fault, instead of more positive thing like discussing how to be able to deal with this type of situation in a different way in the future.
Noname, all my prayers to your Dept and
I real hope this does not happen
"The University president might be forced to resign after this one. " Why ???
The question about why the campus wasnt locked down after the first two shootings leads the case. He made the call to not lock it down. Now we have people with the benefit of hindsight saying if the campus was locked down, the second shooting would not have occurred. Pure B.S in my opinion but they are chewing him up right now.
Sad, rather than helpin the families mourn, we have these morons traipsing around campus trying to land news stories.
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I just got word that we lost 3 people from our dept, a brilliant faculty member, a graduate student and a senior undergraduate. My undergraduate assistant lost two of his good friends as well. Keep your thoughts and with the families. Plenty pieces to pick up.
:-[ Our thoughts and prayers are with you all...This is so so sad...
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Like I told my co-workers the problem is in the US constitution. The right to carry arms. The need to be very stringent and particular with this right.
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Like I told my co-workers the problem is in the US constitution. The right to carry arms. The need to be very stringent and particular with this right.
so what is the problem with the T&T constitution, where the right to bear arms is not guaranteed, yet...we have so many bloody murders?
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Virginia Tech president: Shooter was Asian student
POSTED: 7:02 a.m. EDT, April 17, 2007
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vtech.shooting/
Story Highlights• NEW: No ID on shooter; school president says it was Asian student living in dorm
• At least two professors among the dead in Virginia Tech massacre
• Police have preliminary identification of campus gunman
• University officials say 33 dead, including gunman
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BLACKSBURG, Virginia (CNN) -- The gunman who opened fire in Virginia Tech's Norris Hall, killing 30 people before turning the gun on himself, was "an Asian male who was a resident in one of our dormitories," university President Charles Steger said Tuesday.
Steger didn't provide further details and he said he was still uncertain whether the student gunman at Norris was the same one who fatally shot two people in a dorm two hours earlier.
He added, however, that he didn't think a second gunman was on the loose.
University police Chief Wendell Flinchum said Monday night police have a preliminary identification of one gunman, but they are not ready to release it. (Watch how some are asking why warnings weren't issued sooner )
As the campus, and the nation, reel in the wake of the deadliest shooting in U.S. history, questions are many but answers are few.
Did the same gunman kill two people in a dormitory and then two hours later chain the doors of an academic building and begin to kill as many as he could?
Should campus officials have canceled classes after the first shooting, at the dorm? Authorities say they believed the dorm shooting was an "isolated incident" and were still investigating it when the slaughter occurred at the other campus building, Norris Hall. (Officials thought shooter had fled)
The gunman killed 30 people and wounded 15 in Norris Hall classrooms.
Steger told reporters Monday night that officers found the front doors of Norris Hall chained shut and that by the time they got to the second floor, the gunfire stopped.
A law enforcement source close to the investigation said a .22-caliber handgun and a 9 mm handgun were recovered at the scene. (Watch how quickly these guns can be fired, reloaded )
Surviving by playing dead
The gunman was dressed "almost like a Boy Scout," said a student who survived by pretending to lie dead on a Norris Hall classroom floor.
"He just stepped within five feet of the door and just started firing," said Erin Sheehan.
She described the gunman as a young man wearing a short-sleeved tan shirt and black ammunition vest.
"He seemed very thorough about it -- getting almost everyone down -- I pretended to be dead," she said. (Watch student describe surviving by playing dead )
"He was very silent," said Sheehan, one of only four students in her 25-student German class who were not shot.
The gunman left but returned in about 30 seconds. "I guess he heard us still talking," said Sheehan.
"We forced ourselves against the door so he couldn't come in again, because the door would not lock."
The man tried three more times to force his way in and then began firing through the door, she said.
Student Tiffany Otey was taking a test inside Norris Hall when the shooting began. She and about 20 other people took refuge behind a locked door in a teacher's office.
Police officers with bulletproof vests and machine guns were in the area. (Watch a student's recording of police responding to loud bangs )
"They were telling us to put our hands above our head and if we didn't cooperate and put our hands above our heads they would shoot," Otey said. "I guess they were afraid, like us -- like the shooter was going to be among one of us." (Watch students react to shooting )
Some students leaped from windows to escape, said Matt Waldron.
"These two kids, I guess, had panicked and jumped out of the top-story window, and the one kid broke his ankle and the other girl was not in good shape just lying on the ground." (Watch gunfire on the campus )
Dormitory shooting two hours earlier
The day's first shooting, at the dormitory, left two people dead. That shooting occurred about 7:15 a.m.
The dormitory, West Ambler Johnston Hall, houses 895 students and is located near the drill field and stadium. (Campus map)
At the time of the later shootings at Norris Hall, police were investigating a "person of interest" in the dormitory shootings, Flinchum said. But the man -- a non-student who knew one of the victims -- had not been arrested, and it is unclear if he has any link to the other gunman, he said.
Victims' identities being released
Courtney Dalton, an 18-year-old student who worked at West End Dining Hall, said a friend named Ryan Clark was one of the two dormitory victims.
She said Clark, a resident assistant at West Ambler Johnston Hall, had once worked at the cafeteria serving pizza.
"He was a happy person; this is really sad," she said, sobbing.
"All I can do is pray for his family now," she told CNN.com. (Watch the police chief explain where bodies were found )
As of early Tuesday, the identities of three other victims had been released:
G.V. Loganathan, a professor of civil and environmental engineering
Liviu Librescu, a professor of engineering science and mechanics
Ross Alameddine, a student from Saugus, Massachusetts.
Convocation on campus Tuesday
The university, which has more than 26,000 students, has scheduled a convocation for 2 p.m. ET Tuesday. Classes also have been canceled Tuesday. In Washington, the House and Senate observed moments of silence for the victims and President Bush said the nation was "shocked and saddened" by news of the tragedy.
Last August, the first day of class was cut short at Virginia Tech by a manhunt for an escaped prisoner accused of killing a Blacksburg hospital security guard and a sheriff's deputy.
Before Monday, the deadliest mass shooting in the United States occurred in 1991, when George Hennard drove a pickup truck into a Killeen, Texas, cafeteria and fatally shot 23 people, before shooting and killing himself
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perp = 19 yr. old korean on a green card.
now he immortal in the eyes of the media like all mass murderers.
that was probably he motive anyhow.
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perp = 19 yr. old korean on a green card.
now he immortal in the eyes of the media like all mass murderers.
that was probably he motive anyhow.
The gunman in Monday's Virginia Tech campus shootings has been identified as Cho Seung-Hui, 23, a student and native of South Korea, campus police chief Wendell Flinchum said.
cnn.com
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after all de rumours blow into de wind like goat shit yuh go hear de korean was gettin horn and he went on ah rampage.story done.
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so far they saying the shooter had a glock 9mm and a .22 calibre handgun. how much bullets that could hold?
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Today, as we go about our normal lives doing mundance things and the not so mundance, let us remember the lives lost. Let those who knew them not focus on how they died, but on how they lived. Let us remember the contributions they made to their families, to their loved ones and to society. After the shock has died down and the sorrow lingers, let us hope that their loved ones find comfort and joy in their memories.
To lives lived.
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so far they saying the shooter had a glock 9mm and a .22 calibre handgun. how much bullets that could hold?
it all depends on de clip.some magazines hold 9 or 10.de 22 handgun could hold up to 15 dependin on size.some glocks could hold about 19 or 17 not sure.
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from what i'm hearing those who are wounded had no less than 3 bullets in them.
is not even a semi automatic rifle, so that means to me the killer shoot every bullet with the intention to kill everyone in his sight....he got 32.
2 sets of killings, one email passed and within 2 hours a masscare...
laura and george coming to visit and most likely give dey condolences to the family and friends. what i'll be interested to hear is if he will bring on the stiffer gun laws that his government refused to acknowledge/pass in his 13.5 minute speech.
Someone was in the office earlier this morning, and brought up a good point. it took the US president to reach Virginia in less than one day but a whole week to reach New Orleans.
Things dat make you go hmmm - after colimbine and the amish murders, this seems to me as another sartistic for the history books.
I'm just numb.
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i feel real real sorry for the victims and victims' parents. i doh get it i just dont.....now fear might strike the hearts of parents sending the kids away for college.
:'( :'( :'( :'(
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well, i already reading that is "people that kill people" not guns. and i trying to understand what a classroom *supposed* to look like.
all the teacher's should be packing. along with their lecture notes and laptop, they should have a gun. maybe instead of using a laser pointer, they can get a laser sight installed on their gun and just use the gun to point to the details on the powerpoint slides.
and the students should all be packing as well. they can ridicule all the poor students that can't afford the latest model and have to make do with their father's old revolver. and of course, kevlar laptop cases.
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Guns don't kill people. 3canal does kill people, cars does kill people, bombs does kill people.
In the end you have a random nutjob with a gun.
The gun made him more efficient. If he went in there with a cutlass, he would not have been as effective.
The gun control debate is another intractable one in this country. there will be lots of talk. Nothing will happen.
As for GWB, after all the talk he get about Katrina, you think he could wait before he show up here?
Plus, Blacksburg is a short helicopter ride away.
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I see them gun arguments beginning to rise up already
I can see the pros and cons of both sides of the debate...so I cyah make judgement on de people ting
Either way the N.R.A is an incredibly powerful lobby, so nuttn changin dey
But de dead aint even buried yet and de arguments start already :-\
I really hope dat fellah aint shoot all dem innocent people because of some chupidness like he gyul leave him oui
Everytime these things happen, the reason does usually be some minor issue that millions of people done overcome, but de shooters seem to think dem problem is de biggest in de world and go 'crazy'
but yet not crazy enough to wait around and get arrested
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Here is another twist, the fact that gunman was a "foreigner" will definitely ignite the flame about immigration reform.
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Here is another twist, the fact that gunman was a "foreigner" will definitely ignite the flame about immigration reform.
Yep!!
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I just got word that we lost 3 people from our dept, a brilliant faculty member, a graduate student and a senior undergraduate. My undergraduate assistant lost two of his good friends as well. Keep your thoughts and with the families. Plenty pieces to pick up.
Condolences noname. Keep strong breds.
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the killer: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6564653.stm
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42813000/jpg/_42813523_cho203bap.jpg)
the victims: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6564075.stm
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42812000/jpg/_42812219_victim1b_ap.jpg)
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here's (http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/world/0704/map.guncrime/frameset.exclude.html) an interesting graphic about gun-related homicides.
it looks like t&t, usa is considered medium while jamaica, st. lucia (?!), st. kitts, virgin islands, haiti is considered high.
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from what i'm hearing those who are wounded had no less than 3 bullets in them.
is not even a semi automatic rifle, so that means to me the killer shoot every bullet with the intention to kill everyone in his sight....he got 32.
2 sets of killings, one email passed and within 2 hours a masscare...
laura and george coming to visit and most likely give dey condolences to the family and friends. what i'll be interested to hear is if he will bring on the stiffer gun laws that his government refused to acknowledge/pass in his 13.5 minute speech.
Someone was in the office earlier this morning, and brought up a good point. it took the US president to reach Virginia in less than one day but a whole week to reach New Orleans.
Things dat make you go hmmm - after colimbine and the amish murders, this seems to me as another sartistic for the history books.
I'm just numb.
To clarify your post, neither student had died from the morning shootings by the time he started his rampage in Norris. Yes they should have closed the campus. Did they have the benefit of hindsight like we do? No.
thanks for all the kind words. there are a lot of kids who need help and we're trying to provide it for them. As the names come out, the news gets worse and worse. We're up to 6 from our own ranks now and we've pretty much stopped picking up our phones at this point. Its been extremely difficult since we all sat/instructed in that classroom at one point or the other. Keep their families in your prayers. We're expecting more names.
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from what i'm hearing those who are wounded had no less than 3 bullets in them.
is not even a semi automatic rifle, so that means to me the killer shoot every bullet with the intention to kill everyone in his sight....he got 32.
2 sets of killings, one email passed and within 2 hours a masscare...
laura and george coming to visit and most likely give dey condolences to the family and friends. what i'll be interested to hear is if he will bring on the stiffer gun laws that his government refused to acknowledge/pass in his 13.5 minute speech.
Someone was in the office earlier this morning, and brought up a good point. it took the US president to reach Virginia in less than one day but a whole week to reach New Orleans.
Things dat make you go hmmm - after colimbine and the amish murders, this seems to me as another sartistic for the history books.
I'm just numb.
To clarify your post, neither student had died from the morning shootings by the time he started his rampage in Norris. Yes they should have closed the campus. Did they have the benefit of hindsight like we do? No.
thanks for all the kind words. there are a lot of kids who need help and we're trying to provide it for them. As the names come out, the news gets worse and worse. We're up to 6 from our own ranks now and we've pretty much stopped picking up our phones at this point. Its been extremely difficult since we all sat/instructed in that classroom at one point or the other. Keep their families in your prayers. We're expecting more names.
noname ... my condolences to all of you. Virgina Tech and families are in my prayers.
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Noname my thoughts and prayers go out to you and your faculty associates. It can be hard being so close to a tragedy like this, so be strong and hope you pull through.
Big Up!
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noname, tt, all the virginia-based, all the vt alumi - my condolensces.
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thanks..va tech is loved where I am,much more than U VA. much much more...it is so sad here eh, it eh funny.
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Like I told my co-workers the problem is in the US constitution. The right to carry arms. The need to be very stringent and particular with this right.
so what is the problem with the T&T constitution, where the right to bear arms is not guaranteed, yet...we have so many bloody murders?
Fear is the problem in T&T. No one wants to speak because of fear of reprisal. No one knows who to trust. the Popos have too many leaks and friend thing. I should be de chief ah police in Trini a bet yuh crime go down in less than 3 months. :devil:
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Condolences to you Noname and all your friends at Virginia Tech.
This was a very sad episode that happened.
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Professor: Shooter had real 'mean streak'
. Cho's behavior, poetry so intimidating, teacher says she had him removed
• Former English department chair pulled Cho Seung-Hui out of class
• Police stand by decision not to lock down campus after first shootings
• Former roommates say Cho Seung-Hui stalked women, spoke of suicide
. Ex-roommates say killer had stalked women
. Professor: "I would have been shocked' if it wasn't him"
http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2007/04/17/acosta.disturbing.writing.cnn
(CNN) -- As tales of Cho Seung-Hui's worrisome behavior continued to surface Wednesday, a renowned poet and author who taught the 23-year-old suspected gunman called the notion that he was troubled "crap" and said he was downright "mean."
Nikki Giovanni was in San Francisco, California, getting ready to fly home to Blacksburg when she heard the news Monday that 32 students were killed in separate shooting incidents on the Virginia Tech campus.
"I knew when it happened that that's probably who it was," Giovanni said, referring to her former pupil. "I would have been shocked if it wasn't."
Though Giovanni, another professor, Cho's former roommates and a classmate all recall Cho behaving in a disturbing manner -- and authorities confirm he was investigated after being accused of stalking a woman -- there was nothing criminal about his demeanor. (Classmates called Cho "question mark kid")
In fact, university police Chief Wendell Flinchum said his department had no clue that Cho posed a threat to anyone.
"We're exploring all those things right now as we do our investigation to try and determine why and what triggers the incident. But we weren't aware of that before," Flinchum said.
The university and its police have been the target of criticism from students who felt they weren't adequately warned about Cho -- even after two people were killed in a dormitory early Monday morning.
Though police have linked a gun used in Norris Hall -- where 31 people, including Cho, died -- they have yet to say he is officially accused of the first shootings.
The university has defended its response to the first shooting, which police were reportedly still investigating when gunshots erupted in Norris Hall -- more than two hours after police were called to the dorm.
Flinchum said Wednesday that details gleaned from the investigation at the West Ambler Johnston dorm led to a decision among university officials and police that the campus did not need to be locked down.
"There is a lot of details we were providing to the administration and a decision was made based on that information," the chief said.
University President Charles Steger has said police believed the incident was "a domestic fight, perhaps a murder-suicide" that was contained to one dorm room.
Police cordoned off the 895-student dorm and all residents were told about the shooting as police looked for witnesses, Steger said.
"I don't think anyone could have predicted that another event was going to take place two hours later," Steger said.
'Something mean about this boy'
Though there was nothing criminal about Cho's behavior -- he easily passed a background check, according to the store owner who sold him one of the guns -- his actions did concern some students and faculty members. (Watch dealer recount selling weapon to Cho )
Cho's poetry was so intimidating -- and his behavior so menacing -- that Giovanni had him removed from her class in the fall of 2005, she said. Giovanni said the final straw came when two of her students quit attending her poetry sessions because of Cho.
"I was trying to find out, what am I doing wrong here?" Giovanni recalled thinking, but the students came to her during her office hours and explained, "He's taking photographs of us. We don't know what he's doing."
Giovanni went to the department's then-chairwoman, Lucinda Roy, and told her she wanted Cho out of her class, and Roy obliged.
"I was willing to resign before I was going to continue with him," Giovanni said. "There was something mean about this boy."
Giovanni said she's taught her share of oddballs in the past, but there was something malicious about Cho's behavior.
"I know we're talking about a troubled youngster and crap like that, but troubled youngsters get drunk and jump off buildings; troubled youngsters drink and drive," she said. "I've taught troubled youngsters. I've taught crazy people. It was the meanness that bothered me. It was a, really, mean streak."
Giovanni's account came Wednesday as Roy and Cho's former roommates shared stories about the resident alien from South Korea now accused of exacting the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.
Authorities also confirmed that Cho was investigated last year for stalking a woman in person and by e-mail.
Roy, who taught Cho one-on-one after removing him from Giovanni's class, recalled Cho exhibiting a palpable anger and secretly taking photographs of other students while holding the camera under his desk. (Watch the professor tell how her student frightened her )
His writings were so disturbing, she said, that she went to the police and university administrators for help.
"The threats seemed to be underneath the surface," she said. "They were not explicit and that was the difficulty the police had."
Ian McFarlane, who had class with Cho, said two plays written by Cho were so "twisted" that McFarlane and other students openly pondered "whether he could be a school shooter." (Read MacFarlane's blog and the two plays)
Cho's roommates, who asked to be identified only as Andy and John, had similar accounts. Andy recalled police coming to the dormitory to investigate Cho's involvement with a female students and when Andy told police that Cho had spoken of suicide, "they took him away to the counseling center for a night or two."
In retrospect, Cho had exhibited "big warning signs," Andy said. But he was so quiet, the roommate said, "he was just like a shadow." (Watch Cho's roommates describe his "crazy" behavior )
Authorities are still investigating whether Cho had any accomplices in planning or executing Monday's rampage, Flaherty said.
Cho, who moved to the United States at age 8, lived at the university's Harper Hall, Flinchum said.
"He was a loner, and we're having difficulty finding information about him," said Larry Hincker, associate vice president for university relations.
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i hear de man send a video to nbc......and mention de killers of columbine...
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pretty good poem by nikki giovanni:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-Qx9dIr-68
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http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2007/04/18/sot.nbc.cho.speaks.nbc
Click down to "Gunman's mental problem"
Madness...absolutely madness
Ma and Pa didn't know something was wrong with they chile ?
Yes the teachers knew, his room mates knew, Police knew....
Ma and Pa ???
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from cnn (http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/vtech.shooting/index.html):
In 2005, Cho was declared mentally ill by a Virginia special justice, who declared he was "an imminent danger" to himself, a court document states.
Cho's great-aunt, Kim Yang-soon, said Cho was diagnosed with autism after he came to the United States in 1992. Speaking from her home in South Korea, she described Cho as "very cold" and said her niece was constantly worried about him.
"Every time I called and asked how he was, she would say she was worried about him," Kim said, according to a translation from the AP. "Who would have known he would cause such trouble, the idiot."
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http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2007/04/18/sot.nbc.cho.speaks.nbc
Click down to "Gunman's mental problem"
Madness...absolutely madness
Ma and Pa didn't know something was wrong with they chile ?
Yes the teachers knew, his room mates knew, Police knew....
Ma and Pa ???
Leh meh try an answer dat, briefly, from my perspective, because in de office here..dey was aksing de same ting.
I have two chirren..one still ah teenager and I ALWAYS worried bout him because half de time I doh fine he movin de way I would like. Yuh tink at ANY time I would ever even entertain de thought dat my son would do someting like dat fella? I still cyar wrap my head around dis event. How ole he was? 22, 23? He livin in residence. Ma an Pa not dey wid him. He is ah adult. At what point yuh does stop blaming or lookin tuh de parent/s. From what I read, it look like de teachers and dem had more knowledge but I might be rong but like ah read in de papers tuhday, we have tuh stop dismissin mentally ill people as "jes weird" and take dey actions more seriously because without proper attention, dis could happen again. :'( :'(
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Been giving dis allot of thought.
aberrations in human behaviour that do not conform to societal expectations will continue to happen.
Can we catch it? Unlikely, ppl will continue to escape detection unless we give up civil liberties and adopt a police state. Even so, we will never know to what extreme individuals will behave.
I hypothesize that one root cause is the failure for ppl to take responsibility for their actions for what ever reason (mental illness could be one or a disposition not to deal with bullying in a proper way). De shooter at VA is an extreme case of this - he blamed everybody else for his actionsl. At de other end of the scale is everyday less-consequential stuff - for example, we get a speeding ticket but we blame de schupid police for trapping us or we cheat on a test because everybody else doing it, or we doh get a job because the interviewer was an idiot etc. etc. Even if the perpetrator is a victim of wrong doing, two wrongs doh make a right.
As I said before how we play wid the crappy hand you were dealt by God is what will make us succeed or fail.
Listen again to the poem that Nikki Giovanni delivered de other day (see Ribbit's post above)... here is what i got from it
How we respond to tragedies and injustices in our lives will determine if we will grow stronger or forever wallow in the pits of despair.
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Been giving dis allot of thought.
aberrations in human behaviour that do not conform to societal expectations will continue to happen.
Can we catch it? Unlikely, ppl will continue to escape detection unless we give up civil liberties and adopt a police state. Even so, we will never know to what extreme individuals will behave.
I hypothesize that one root cause is the failure for ppl to take responsibility for their actions for what ever reason (mental illness could be one or a disposition not to deal with bullying in a proper way). De shooter at VA is an extreme case of this - he blamed everybody else for his actionsl. At de other end of the scale is everyday less-consequential stuff - for example, we get a speeding ticket but we blame de schupid police for trapping us or we cheat on a test because everybody else doing it, or we doh get a job because the interviewer was an idiot etc. etc. Even if the perpetrator is a victim of wrong doing, two wrongs doh make a right.
As I said before how we play wid the crappy hand you were dealt by God is what will make us succeed or fail.
Listen again to the poem that Nikki Giovanni delivered de other day (see Ribbit's post above)... here is what i got from it
How we respond to tragedies and injustices in our lives will determine if we will grow stronger or forever wallow in the pits of despair.
True, true.
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Madness...absolutely madness
Ma and Pa didn't know something was wrong with they chile ?
Yes the teachers knew, his room mates knew, Police knew....
Ma and Pa ???
I agree wit yuh...yuh parents does know if yuh friggin crazy....dey know he mad from long time
all de mad he mad ,,I eh think dem expect he woulda lick up over 50 people.
Probably a lot to do with shame and the culture as to why they never had him lock up in a rubber room
Look even de president of south korea send an apology and all
dey quick to brand de man ah foreigner tho , he leave korea when he real small....he sound like an american
Me eh care what he immigration papers say...dais ah yankee madman
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dey quick to brand de man ah foreigner tho , he leave korea when he real small....he sound like an american
Me eh care what he immigration papers say...dais ah yankee madman
"South Korean resident ALIEN" Don't get it twisted.
Seriously though this is real perplexing. It is real easy to piece things together and say that this was predictable, but yuh can't because before all this each person anly have one pieace of the picture.
I am certain that it would be easy to dismiss the guy as a weirdo, sicko or even a crazy f###er but even then yuh wouldn't expect this.
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http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2007/04/18/sot.nbc.cho.speaks.nbc
Click down to "Gunman's mental problem"
Madness...absolutely madness
Ma and Pa didn't know something was wrong with they chile ?
Yes the teachers knew, his room mates knew, Police knew....
Ma and Pa ???
Leh meh try an answer dat, briefly, from my perspective, because in de office here..dey was aksing de same ting.
I have two chirren..one still ah teenager and I ALWAYS worried bout him because half de time I doh fine he movin de way I would like. Yuh tink at ANY time I would ever even entertain de thought dat my son would do someting like dat fella? I still cyar wrap my head around dis event. How ole he was? 22, 23? He livin in residence. Ma an Pa not dey wid him. He is ah adult. At what point yuh does stop blaming or lookin tuh de parent/s. From what I read, it look like de teachers and dem had more knowledge but I might be rong but like ah read in de papers tuhday, we have tuh stop dismissin mentally ill people as "jes weird" and take dey actions more seriously because without proper attention, dis could happen again. :'( :'(
Coco ah hear ya eh but this is what buggin me all day....
Teachers, Principal, guidance officer, police knew of him. Infact from what i read on the newspaper a teacher threw him out of her class for whatever reason. He got sent to a mental insitutation last year, came out days after .
You trying to tell me whether he living with Ma and Pa or has his own residence, Nobody from his family pick up on his behavior ??? Assuming police knock dey door acouple of times or they get a phone call from the University at least a couple of times.....Nobody from his family who living in the US ain't pick up on him?
nah man...ah cyah comprehen dis.
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http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2007/04/18/sot.nbc.cho.speaks.nbc
Click down to "Gunman's mental problem"
Madness...absolutely madness
Ma and Pa didn't know something was wrong with they chile ?
Yes the teachers knew, his room mates knew, Police knew....
Ma and Pa ???
Leh meh try an answer dat, briefly, from my perspective, because in de office here..dey was aksing de same ting.
I have two chirren..one still ah teenager and I ALWAYS worried bout him because half de time I doh fine he movin de way I would like. Yuh tink at ANY time I would ever even entertain de thought dat my son would do someting like dat fella? I still cyar wrap my head around dis event. How ole he was? 22, 23? He livin in residence. Ma an Pa not dey wid him. He is ah adult. At what point yuh does stop blaming or lookin tuh de parent/s. From what I read, it look like de teachers and dem had more knowledge but I might be rong but like ah read in de papers tuhday, we have tuh stop dismissin mentally ill people as "jes weird" and take dey actions more seriously because without proper attention, dis could happen again. :'( :'(
Coco ah hear ya eh but this is what buggin me all day....
Teachers, Principal, guidance officer, police knew of him. Infact from what i read on the newspaper a teacher threw him out of her class for whatever reason. He got sent to a mental insitutation last year, came out days after .
You trying to tell me whether he living with Ma and Pa or has his own residence, Nobody from his family pick up on his behavior ??? Assuming police knock dey door acouple of times or they get a phone call from the University at least a couple of times.....Nobody from his family who living in the US ain't pick up on him?
nah man...ah cyah comprehen dis.
As I understand it, there is nothing anyone can do. He wasn't a minor and therefore unless he gave power of attorney to someone to act in his behalf, he was the only one to decide if and when to commit himself. If he had committed an act that put himself or others in danger, or if he had contravened the law, then the State could have intervened.
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historically the perpetrators of these heinous crimes have been, what appearers to some to be, "glorified"
What I would love to see is that the press concentrate on the victims and heroes and Debate about CONSTRUCTIVE ways in preventing a similar incident from occurring.
so my suggestion in the future is to not even mention de man Name or anything to do with his motives. Leave that for the judiciary system.
Just say that a person did so and so and here are the stories of the victims......not a thing about the madman
Ok you know like when a minor commits a crime the press are not allowed to air their names, well enact a law that does the same for the name of these madmen
see story here
http://start.shaw.ca/start/enCA/News/WorldNewsArticle.htm?src=w041981A.xml
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http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2007/04/18/sot.nbc.cho.speaks.nbc
Click down to "Gunman's mental problem"
Madness...absolutely madness
Ma and Pa didn't know something was wrong with they chile ?
Yes the teachers knew, his room mates knew, Police knew....
Ma and Pa ???
Leh meh try an answer dat, briefly, from my perspective, because in de office here..dey was aksing de same ting.
I have two chirren..one still ah teenager and I ALWAYS worried bout him because half de time I doh fine he movin de way I would like. Yuh tink at ANY time I would ever even entertain de thought dat my son would do someting like dat fella? I still cyar wrap my head around dis event. How ole he was? 22, 23? He livin in residence. Ma an Pa not dey wid him. He is ah adult. At what point yuh does stop blaming or lookin tuh de parent/s. From what I read, it look like de teachers and dem had more knowledge but I might be rong but like ah read in de papers tuhday, we have tuh stop dismissin mentally ill people as "jes weird" and take dey actions more seriously because without proper attention, dis could happen again. :'( :'(
Coco ah hear ya eh but this is what buggin me all day....
Teachers, Principal, guidance officer, police knew of him. Infact from what i read on the newspaper a teacher threw him out of her class for whatever reason. He got sent to a mental insitutation last year, came out days after .
You trying to tell me whether he living with Ma and Pa or has his own residence, Nobody from his family pick up on his behavior ??? Assuming police knock dey door acouple of times or they get a phone call from the University at least a couple of times.....Nobody from his family who living in the US ain't pick up on him?
nah man...ah cyah comprehen dis.
Cana, put yuhself in de boy's parent's shoes....as a parent, no matter what yuh chile do, you would always have this feeling that things will turnout ok...yuh will always be hoping for de best.....
that being said, with all the possible "warnings" that happend before the incident, no one could have predicted this outcome......
the other thing yuh have to bare in mind is that we getting pieces of information from every where...we don't know what is true and what is not true......furthermore, we don't even know with any certainty that the parents didn't do something...
i guess the point i trying to make is, in these situations, it is always very easy to blame the parents, but some times I truly believe it's out of their control...
I know plenty people with good parents who turn out real wayward....
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http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2007/04/18/sot.nbc.cho.speaks.nbc
Click down to "Gunman's mental problem"
Madness...absolutely madness
Ma and Pa didn't know something was wrong with they chile ?
Yes the teachers knew, his room mates knew, Police knew....
Ma and Pa ???
Leh meh try an answer dat, briefly, from my perspective, because in de office here..dey was aksing de same ting.
I have two chirren..one still ah teenager and I ALWAYS worried bout him because half de time I doh fine he movin de way I would like. Yuh tink at ANY time I would ever even entertain de thought dat my son would do someting like dat fella? I still cyar wrap my head around dis event. How ole he was? 22, 23? He livin in residence. Ma an Pa not dey wid him. He is ah adult. At what point yuh does stop blaming or lookin tuh de parent/s. From what I read, it look like de teachers and dem had more knowledge but I might be rong but like ah read in de papers tuhday, we have tuh stop dismissin mentally ill people as "jes weird" and take dey actions more seriously because without proper attention, dis could happen again. :'( :'(
Coco ah hear ya eh but this is what buggin me all day....
Teachers, Principal, guidance officer, police knew of him. Infact from what i read on the newspaper a teacher threw him out of her class for whatever reason. He got sent to a mental insitutation last year, came out days after .
You trying to tell me whether he living with Ma and Pa or has his own residence, Nobody from his family pick up on his behavior ??? Assuming police knock dey door acouple of times or they get a phone call from the University at least a couple of times.....Nobody from his family who living in the US ain't pick up on him?
nah man...ah cyah comprehen dis.
Cana, put yuhself in de boy's parent's shoes....as a parent, no matter what yuh chile do, you would always have this feeling that things will turnout ok...yuh will always be hoping for de best.....
that being said, with all the possible "warnings" that happend before the incident, no one could have predicted this outcome......
the other thing yuh have to bare in mind is that we getting pieces of information from every where...we don't know what is true and what is not true......furthermore, we don't even know with any certainty that the parents didn't do something...
i guess the point i trying to make is, in these situations, it is always very easy to blame the parents, but some times I truly believe it's out of their control...
I know plenty people with good parents who turn out real wayward....
sweeheart ah not blamin no body on this....if that is what my posts telling allyuh, sorry but its not my intention
doc ah hear ya but ah not going that way with power of attorney...nothing like that
i just asking if there was any communications between the University and parents, police and parents, mental insitution and parents...
Nobody in the family picked up on his behavior???
Dat is all my question is ya know.
Dey parents not in Korea, they living in the US and own i believe laundry marts all over the place (correct me if am wrong)
Granted as Licks say we still getting information by the hour on dey hour..so hopefully that question will be answered if not here somewhere.
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http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2007/04/18/sot.nbc.cho.speaks.nbc
Click down to "Gunman's mental problem"
Madness...absolutely madness
Ma and Pa didn't know something was wrong with they chile ?
Yes the teachers knew, his room mates knew, Police knew....
Ma and Pa ???
Leh meh try an answer dat, briefly, from my perspective, because in de office here..dey was aksing de same ting.
I have two chirren..one still ah teenager and I ALWAYS worried bout him because half de time I doh fine he movin de way I would like. Yuh tink at ANY time I would ever even entertain de thought dat my son would do someting like dat fella? I still cyar wrap my head around dis event. How ole he was? 22, 23? He livin in residence. Ma an Pa not dey wid him. He is ah adult. At what point yuh does stop blaming or lookin tuh de parent/s. From what I read, it look like de teachers and dem had more knowledge but I might be rong but like ah read in de papers tuhday, we have tuh stop dismissin mentally ill people as "jes weird" and take dey actions more seriously because without proper attention, dis could happen again. :'( :'(
Coco ah hear ya eh but this is what buggin me all day....
Teachers, Principal, guidance officer, police knew of him. Infact from what i read on the newspaper a teacher threw him out of her class for whatever reason. He got sent to a mental insitutation last year, came out days after .
You trying to tell me whether he living with Ma and Pa or has his own residence, Nobody from his family pick up on his behavior ??? Assuming police knock dey door acouple of times or they get a phone call from the University at least a couple of times.....Nobody from his family who living in the US ain't pick up on him?
nah man...ah cyah comprehen dis.
Exactly. It is not something that can easily be understood because it goes outside of what is "normal". I've been reading the news and I see where every one called him weird, never spoke much, kept to himself. I went to school with a girl like that. Except for the weird part. She was very quiet and pretty much kept to herself. Spoke very little. She is a perfectly normal functioning member of society with a husband and children. How do you resolve those qualities with a "madman". We are not psychiatrists. we are not trained to decipher these things. I think we are all trying to find a resolution to this. To somehow come up with a checklist so that we can hopefully avoid it in future. To find some comfort and solice in the hope that we will be safe. The more I think about it, the less I think that is possible because different things affect different people differently. At least in my opinion.
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http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2007/04/18/sot.nbc.cho.speaks.nbc
Click down to "Gunman's mental problem"
Madness...absolutely madness
Ma and Pa didn't know something was wrong with they chile ?
Yes the teachers knew, his room mates knew, Police knew....
Ma and Pa ???
Leh meh try an answer dat, briefly, from my perspective, because in de office here..dey was aksing de same ting.
I have two chirren..one still ah teenager and I ALWAYS worried bout him because half de time I doh fine he movin de way I would like. Yuh tink at ANY time I would ever even entertain de thought dat my son would do someting like dat fella? I still cyar wrap my head around dis event. How ole he was? 22, 23? He livin in residence. Ma an Pa not dey wid him. He is ah adult. At what point yuh does stop blaming or lookin tuh de parent/s. From what I read, it look like de teachers and dem had more knowledge but I might be rong but like ah read in de papers tuhday, we have tuh stop dismissin mentally ill people as "jes weird" and take dey actions more seriously because without proper attention, dis could happen again. :'( :'(
Coco ah hear ya eh but this is what buggin me all day....
Teachers, Principal, guidance officer, police knew of him. Infact from what i read on the newspaper a teacher threw him out of her class for whatever reason. He got sent to a mental insitutation last year, came out days after .
You trying to tell me whether he living with Ma and Pa or has his own residence, Nobody from his family pick up on his behavior ??? Assuming police knock dey door acouple of times or they get a phone call from the University at least a couple of times.....Nobody from his family who living in the US ain't pick up on him?
nah man...ah cyah comprehen dis.
Exactly. It is not something that can easily be understood because it goes outside of what is "normal". I've been reading the news and I see where every one called him weird, never spoke much, kept to himself. I went to school with a girl like that. Except for the weird part. She was very quiet and pretty much kept to herself. Spoke very little. She is a perfectly normal functioning member of society with a husband and children. How do you resolve those qualities with a "madman". We are not psychiatrists. we are not trained to decipher these things. I think we are all trying to find a resolution to this. To somehow come up with a checklist so that we can hopefully avoid it in future. To find some comfort and solice in the hope that we will be safe. The more I think about it, the less I think that is possible because different things affect different people differently. At least not in my opinion.
yep .. how much "strange" ppl out dere? Maybe we should lock everybody who does not conform ..
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yep .. how much "strange" ppl out dere? Maybe we should lock everybody who does not conform ..
I did hear you does do weird tings wid chocolate, so you fuss on my list :devil: :devil: :angel: ;)
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http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2007/04/18/sot.nbc.cho.speaks.nbc
Click down to "Gunman's mental problem"
Madness...absolutely madness
Ma and Pa didn't know something was wrong with they chile ?
Yes the teachers knew, his room mates knew, Police knew....
Ma and Pa ???
Leh meh try an answer dat, briefly, from my perspective, because in de office here..dey was aksing de same ting.
I have two chirren..one still ah teenager and I ALWAYS worried bout him because half de time I doh fine he movin de way I would like. Yuh tink at ANY time I would ever even entertain de thought dat my son would do someting like dat fella? I still cyar wrap my head around dis event. How ole he was? 22, 23? He livin in residence. Ma an Pa not dey wid him. He is ah adult. At what point yuh does stop blaming or lookin tuh de parent/s. From what I read, it look like de teachers and dem had more knowledge but I might be rong but like ah read in de papers tuhday, we have tuh stop dismissin mentally ill people as "jes weird" and take dey actions more seriously because without proper attention, dis could happen again. :'( :'(
Coco ah hear ya eh but this is what buggin me all day....
Teachers, Principal, guidance officer, police knew of him. Infact from what i read on the newspaper a teacher threw him out of her class for whatever reason. He got sent to a mental insitutation last year, came out days after .
You trying to tell me whether he living with Ma and Pa or has his own residence, Nobody from his family pick up on his behavior ??? Assuming police knock dey door acouple of times or they get a phone call from the University at least a couple of times.....Nobody from his family who living in the US ain't pick up on him?
nah man...ah cyah comprehen dis.
Cana, put yuhself in de boy's parent's shoes....as a parent, no matter what yuh chile do, you would always have this feeling that things will turnout ok...yuh will always be hoping for de best.....
that being said, with all the possible "warnings" that happend before the incident, no one could have predicted this outcome......
the other thing yuh have to bare in mind is that we getting pieces of information from every where...we don't know what is true and what is not true......furthermore, we don't even know with any certainty that the parents didn't do something...
i guess the point i trying to make is, in these situations, it is always very easy to blame the parents, but some times I truly believe it's out of their control...
I know plenty people with good parents who turn out real wayward....
sweeheart ah not blamin no body on this....if that is what my posts telling allyuh, sorry but its not my intention
doc ah hear ya but ah not going that way with power of attorney...nothing like that
i just asking if there was any communications between the University and parents, police and parents, mental insitution and parents...
Nobody in the family picked up on his behavior???
Dat is all my question is ya know.
Dey parents not in Korea, they living in the US and own i believe laundry marts all over the place (correct me if am wrong)
Granted as Licks say we still getting information by the hour on dey hour..so hopefully that question will be answered if not here somewhere.
I was only trying to explain the hands off approach to mental illness. I have mentally ill family members, and my response is from information and observation when I interfaced with the system seeking assistance. So I would also assume that that could also have been a possible reaction his family got when the sought assistance as well.
For what that's worth.
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yep .. how much "strange" ppl out dere? Maybe we should lock everybody who does not conform ..
I did hear you does do weird tings wid chocolate, so you fuss on my list :devil: :devil: :angel: ;)
dais exactly my point .. everybody go get lock up just inc case a few of us go cuckoo
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historically the perpetrators of these heinous crimes have been, what appearers to some to be, "glorified"
What I would love to see is that the press concentrate on the victims and heroes and Debate about CONSTRUCTIVE ways in preventing a similar incident from occurring.
so my suggestion in the future is to not even mention de man Name or anything to do with his motives. Leave that for the judiciary system.
Just say that a person did so and so and here are the stories of the victims......not a thing about the madman
Ok you know like when a minor commits a crime the press are not allowed to air their names, well enact a law that does the same for the name of these madmen
see story here
http://start.shaw.ca/start/enCA/News/WorldNewsArticle.htm?src=w041981A.xml
that's a very good point. NBC has been very low in the neilson ratings - i figure the opportunity was too good for them to pass up publishing cho's manifesto. they even had two of cho's "plays" available online - do the victims get this level of exposure?
at the same time, the participants have been dragged into the spotlight. perhaps it is more respectful to the victims and the families to give them some peace instead of trolling for interviews. i for one find the pix of students, parents, etc.. consoling each other very invasive.
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historically the perpetrators of these heinous crimes have been, what appearers to some to be, "glorified"
What I would love to see is that the press concentrate on the victims and heroes and Debate about CONSTRUCTIVE ways in preventing a similar incident from occurring.
so my suggestion in the future is to not even mention de man Name or anything to do with his motives. Leave that for the judiciary system.
Just say that a person did so and so and here are the stories of the victims......not a thing about the madman
Ok you know like when a minor commits a crime the press are not allowed to air their names, well enact a law that does the same for the name of these madmen
see story here
http://start.shaw.ca/start/enCA/News/WorldNewsArticle.htm?src=w041981A.xml
that's a very good point. NBC has been very low in the neilson ratings - i figure the opportunity was too good for them to pass up publishing cho's manifesto. they even had two of cho's "plays" available online - do the victims get this level of exposure?
at the same time, the participants have been dragged into the spotlight. perhaps it is more respectful to the victims and the families to give them some peace instead of trolling for interviews. i for one find the pix of students, parents, etc.. consoling each other very invasive.
yes, the media should take into account the victims and how devastated their families must be now and show some class in dealing with them at the moment.
we really have to do it differently
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Check wha Stephen King say bout de shooter:
"Cho doesn't strike me as in the least creative, however. Dude was crazy. Dude was, in the memorable phrasing of Nikki Giovanni, ''just mean.'' Essentially there's no story here, except for a paranoid a--hole who went DEFCON-1. He may have been inspired by Columbine, but only because he was too dim to think up such a scenario on his own."
"On the whole, I don't think you can pick these guys out based on their work, unless you look for violence unenlivened by any real talent."
Full article
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20036014,00.html
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Nobody in the family picked up on his behavior???Dat is all my question is ya know.
Dey parents not in Korea, they living in the US and own i believe laundry marts all over the place (correct me if am wrong)
Granted as Licks say we still getting information by the hour on dey hour..so hopefully that question will be answered if not here somewhere.
“Picking up on behaviour” is one thing, but what does it have to do with expecting, predicting or even imagining that it would result in an unprecedented, unthinkable act.
It would be different if you say that the parents knew that he had or was interested in guns or if he had a violent history. Those would be red flags, but there is no such evidence.
Twisting up your mind over this and trying to find “answers” might be a waste of time
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what u have to understand too, that here in america as soon as you turn 18, you are considered ah adult...parents cya really tell you what to do or how to live yuh life..you in charge..is not like home where you 25 and your parents still telling you you cya go lime wid your friends..
Big Up!
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there is a distinction that needs to be made between a responsibility and an interest. yes, cho was ultimately the one responsible for his actions. he was 23 and had left his parent's care, etc.. but who was it that had an interest in cho's actions? who were the stakeholders? who held a stake in the life and actions of this person? can communities survive solely with legalistic definitions of responsibility but without a notion of whose interests are at stake?
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JDB, DeSo and Ribbs thank yas :beermug:
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long but interesting analysis citing camille paglia and francis fu ku yama:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1686784.ece
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check this article (http://start.shaw.ca/start/enCA/News/NationalNewsArticle.htm?src=n042142A.xml)
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thanks to all for the kind words and support.
http://www.cee.vt.edu/index.php?module=10&item=1&id=1&do=view&news=45
http://www.cee.vt.edu/getfile.php?file=news/GVsServiceArticle.pdf
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Nobody in the family picked up on his behavior???Dat is all my question is ya know.
Dey parents not in Korea, they living in the US and own i believe laundry marts all over the place (correct me if am wrong)
Granted as Licks say we still getting information by the hour on dey hour..so hopefully that question will be answered if not here somewhere.
“Picking up on behaviour” is one thing, but what does it have to do with expecting, predicting or even imagining that it would result in an unprecedented, unthinkable act.
It would be different if you say that the parents knew that he had or was interested in guns or if he had a violent history. Those would be red flags, but there is no such evidence.
Twisting up your mind over this and trying to find “answers” might be a waste of time
Well said.