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Title: FPATT Thread
Post by: kentsoulman on May 07, 2007, 08:21:05 AM
FPATT- some comments on its aims.

Although this is my first post on this board, I have been reading with interest the views of its contributors. As I have been involved with the development of FPATT in the UK, I would like to take this opportunity to explain the current situation with the union, and offer my personal views, which hopefully, will answer some of the questions asked on this site.

As you may be aware, FPATT was formed in principle several years ago, but because of the costs involved in forming a union, both in money and time, the movement lost momentum. Because of the dispute over alleged non payments and the greater global profile enjoyed by the Soca Warriors, the time is right to  bring football in Trinidad & Tobago in line with the 42 footballing nations that already benefit from a professional footballers union.

It is worth mentioning at this stage that although the main brief of such a union is to protect the rights of members and to provide support and advice, FPATT also intend to demand transparency within football.

The current dispute over World Cup bonuses is a good example of  how a lack of transparency leads to lack of trust. Lets assume (just for a nanosecond) that the TTFF accounts are as stated, and the amount offered to players is exactly as promised. In that case, why doesn’t TTFF release the accounts to FPATT or an independent auditor? Unfortunately, by not sharing information, TTFF look as if they have something to hide. In the future, it is hoped that all contracts will be negotiated through FPATT and therefore individual players will not be singled out and therefore should not be blacklisted.

With regard to the non selection of players, FPATTs recent statement has left TTFF with a dilemma. If they cannot prove there is a FIFA rule preventing the selection of players involved in the court case, Oliver Camps must either admit to taking reprisals against players, or make them available. FPATT is forcing him into making a choice, neither of which is appealing to TTFF.

People on this site have stated that Jack Warner  and the TTFF are bulletproof. However, all that they have stated that they have achieved and all the titles and positions they have attained, will now lead to them giving up their personal power and control over football.

As vice president of FIFA, and a close ally of Sepp Blatter, it will be impossible for Jack Warner not to welcome and assist FPATT. Mr Blatter has stated that FIFA is fully supportive of players unions. How could Jack retain his position in FIFA if he speaks out against his own organisations main goals? Don’t forget, Russia tried to block a players union until Blatter had a quiet word. FIFA also have stated that disputes should be settled inside football not in courts. The damage done by the Bosman case changed the face of football globally. FIFA do not want another Bosman. Guess what? We got one brewing right now in Trinidad. Losing the court case may cost TTFF a few dollars, but non selection as a form of punishment could bring down the whole federation.

Mr Warner cannot afford to stand by without supporting FPATTs democratic rights if he wishes to continue his influential role in FIFA. But then if there are things that he doesn’t wish to be disclosed, how can he openly support transparency? Should be interesting.

I think the best chance of returning order to football in T & T is to support FPATT. They hope to launch a uniform to be worn at the funday. Let this strip become the uniform of the alternative T&T supporter. Let it become a symbol of the future of football in the twin islands.

People have offered to make donations to the FPATT fund, however, purchasing an FPATT shirt would not only help with funds, but would also help spread the FPATT message.

More importantly, sponsors and business partners are desperately needed. If anybody knows of any businesses who would be willing to offer support, please keep your eyes on this board for the address of FPATTs offices which will be announced shortly.

Thank you for reading this. I look forward to your comments. I hope my words are welcomed on your board, as I would like to provide further updates.

I will post on this site details of where and how donations can be made and how the FPATT clothing can be obtained. 
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: dcs on May 07, 2007, 10:55:54 AM
Just so that it is out there and people know.

How much $ do the players contribute to FPATT themselves?

I'm sure they already do but I don't know exactly which players are with FPATT and how much of their time and $ they put into it.

I could assume the 16 with certain players taking the lead but don't know who else.  Should be all players and I believe Carlos is one of them but haven't seen anything that gives details or confirmation beyond the 16.

Thanks for giving us information...it is vital at this early stage of FPATT's development   :beermug:
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: Themanfriday on May 07, 2007, 11:05:34 AM
THank You very much for the info and patiently await updates ;)
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: kounty on May 07, 2007, 12:09:15 PM
good luck to FPATT!
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: grskywalker on May 07, 2007, 12:38:33 PM
Where can I buy a jersey? I am in full support of FPATT and hope it leads to bigger opportunities to shape our country's footballing future.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: dreamer on May 07, 2007, 04:57:11 PM
Excellent post kentsoulman. Seriously. Contributions like yours tell me there is hope. Very, very good.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: kentsoulman on May 07, 2007, 05:15:21 PM
Thanks Dreamer, there is so much more to come. I wish I could make people understand how difficult it is to push this union forward from the other side of the Atlantic! I know Brent and Kelvin have spent a fortune on overseas calls and travelling to meetings in the UK.

 It is also important that FPATT is seen as entirely seperate from the dispute over alleged unpaid bonuses.FPATT needs to work alongside TTFF, CONCACAF and FIFA as well as the professional clubs and league.

 A union isn't just a collection of guys with a few ideas. It has to have a constitution, legal advisers, office staff, marketing people etc. Although many of the overseas players are supportive, it has been mainly Brent and Kelvin doing the work so far. However, it is encouraging that most of the overseas players have confirmed their participation at the funday, and one player I know of is bringing a team mate with him to play for the celebrities. Once the seasons in the UK are finished, you will see the movement gain momentum.

FPATT have also recruited a guy in Trinidad who has done some fantastic work already, mainly turning the funday from an idea into an event. FPATT are in need of good people in Trinidad & Tobago to assist in key posts. Anybody who can be of help, particularly in marketing and general office work, please get in touch here or at the FPATT office address which will be posted shortly.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: Themanfriday on May 08, 2007, 05:32:26 AM
Stalker again  ;D
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: Sam on May 08, 2007, 05:46:04 AM
Your words are welcomed on your board and we would like further updates as well.

We or most of us here are in full support.

Get intouch with Flex, he is de boss and becareful with Jack Warner, he is smarter/trickier than many thinks.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: WestCoast on May 08, 2007, 06:49:01 AM
Good luck
some threads that are of some relevance
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=24764.msg271021#msg271021

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=27414.msg308191#msg308191

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=27341.msg306984#msg306984
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: true warrior on May 08, 2007, 06:50:01 PM
Good work.  This is good news.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: Babalawo on May 08, 2007, 10:51:52 PM
Thankyou for the update. Please write back soon so the 'revolution' can get rolling. I would like the contribute with my  knowledge to FPATT.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: E-man on May 10, 2007, 12:49:04 PM
I think the best chance of returning order to football in T & T is to support FPATT. They hope to launch a uniform to be worn at the funday. Let this strip become the uniform of the alternative T&T supporter. Let it become a symbol of the future of football in the twin islands.

People have offered to make donations to the FPATT fund, however, purchasing an FPATT shirt would not only help with funds, but would also help spread the FPATT message.

Will this shirt be available outside T&T? I'd like to get a hold of one before the Gold Cup if possible.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: kentsoulman on May 10, 2007, 05:29:51 PM
There was a press announcement sent out today concerning the uniforms. FPATT have signed a deal with an English company, Vandanel to supply uniforms and leisure clothing.

I will try to obtain a graphic of the shirt. They will be for sale direct from Vandanels website  www.vandanel.co.uk  by end of next week, and also from FPATTs website, which is under construction. Not sure of price yet, but a share of the sale price will go to FPATT. FPATT will also be the Caribbean agent for Vandanel, and hope to encourage club and national teams to buy Vandanel kits.

Shirts will carry the FPATT logo and the Trinidad & Tobago flag on one sleeve.   

I have heard talk that the shirts worn in the funday may be available for sponsorship. Idea is that people bid for a players shirt, which will be posted out after the match. 

There is also talk of an FPATT anthem being released as a download.

Will update you all when I hear more whispers.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: WestCoast on May 10, 2007, 05:59:25 PM
KentSoulMan,
after all these years it is GREAT to hear of ALL you are talking about from the View of the Players. Unfortunately the history of TTFF has never taken this view as I believe that some past players did not receive the proper treatment that they deserved. Thanks to ALL who contributed their hard work to bring this to reality.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: kentsoulman on May 10, 2007, 06:13:13 PM
West Coast, its been a long time coming, but the balance of power in football has changed over the last few years. Massive TV deals have given players unions the revenue to begin to influence the organisations. But don't forget that the English PFA is a 100 years old, yet they have only had real power in the last 20 years.

FPATT will be a more modern union, but don't expect them to change football in T&T overnight. It will be a long struggle, but hopefully, the people will get behind its aims.

The difference is, that now, FIFA have stated that they WANT players unions and that they want dispute chambers in place worldwide by 2010, and they should include players representatives.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: dcs on May 10, 2007, 06:21:07 PM
So these shirts have already been printed and an FPATT logo has already been chosen?   :'(
(or are they limited editions  :idea:)

FPATT moving faster than a speeding train...watch out   ;D

Real good to see they are securing partnerships to ensure a revenue stream.

Question about who would be part of FPATT.  Would it only be current players or would past players also be covered?  Just wondering what categories of players would be represented...youth players...players in pro leagues only...college players...retired players.

I for one would like to see all the Strike Squad players plus those from before involved "eventually" but I see some of them are already supporting in their own way playing in the Fun Day.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: kentsoulman on May 10, 2007, 06:25:40 PM
Shirts are in production as we speak.  Will try to post the logo if I can get a copy.

FPATT been real busy planning this launch, but you guys need to remmember that none of the guys have done this kind of thing before, so mistakes may happen.

But then, they don't have the financial backing yet to employ professionals. Many people working their butts off free of charge.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: Touches on May 10, 2007, 06:47:53 PM
Kentsoulman,

Good stuff, and I like the drive and efforts being put into place. But I have some concerns that I want you to address. I am not trying to be negative but I just want some more info and clarification of your group and what is going on so I can understand better the aims which you are attempting to achieve or the desired end result.

You mentioned shirts and garments. That is great and I want one to add to my collection. I will support Fpatt and the players  and this is a good thing.

But this is confusing me and I want you to clear this up for my benefit

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I think the best chance of returning order to football in T & T is to support FPATT. They hope to launch a uniform to be worn at the funday. Let this strip become the uniform of the alternative T&T supporter. Let it become a symbol of the future of football in the twin islands.

Now when you say an alternative shirt for the alternative T&T supporter what do you mean.

To me this  move may cause division amongst the team and supporters and I find this somewhat worrying.

Last time I checked we all supported Trinidad and Tobago....we did not support half the team, those who with FPATT or those with the TTFF by choice or design. We supported whatever XI took to the field wearing our national colours.

So while I may have a low expectation of certain players and I may predict a loss or unfavourable result. I will still go and pay my money and watch them in the stadium because they are representing me and my country and I will give them my support all the way.

Now, I understand this is a way and means to earn revenue. But the statement you typed which I quoted, to me seems that you are trying to make a supporter choose between two entities....I dont think we should be made to do so.

All I ask is that the best players represent our nation in a fair unbiased manner based on merit and that they are rewarded for their efforts.

Now I am also confused about this other thing...FPATT as a players group...are you trying to work alongside the TTFF to make sure our players are not taken advantage of...or are you trying to take hold of the reigns of power in TT football?

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It is worth mentioning at this stage that although the main brief of such a union is to protect the rights of members and to provide support and advice, FPATT also intend to demand transparency within football.

Given the above quote..the aim of this union is to make sure your members are not being taken advantage of and that the TTFF gets it act together and cleans up its house...is this a correct assessment?

I just want some more information before I go out and support a cause.

Thanks in advance.




Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: kentsoulman on May 10, 2007, 07:29:59 PM
Touches, I can't speak for FPATT directly, only covey my understanding of their aims and my views connected with them.

Sorry for the confusion. I didn't mean that supporters should choose between  FPATT and the Warriors. The national team will (undoubtedly all be members of FPATT) But by supporting the Warriors, yet wearing the FPATT shirt, you will be sending a message to TTFF. That you are a proud supporter of Trinidad & Tobago (the flag will be on the sleeve) but are against the dictatorship of TTFF and its bullying of players to the detriment of the nations football success.

All players will always be Warriors first, FPATT second, as should the supporters. It appears the federation would rather be TTFF first, Trinis second.

This action should not cause any division between players, but may make some aware how the supporters feel about not supporting the blacklisted players. If the players become more united, it will make ALL of them stronger.

Personally, I would not condone or encourage any action that causes further unrest between players.

I think FPATT want to challenge TTFFs deathgrip over football, but I don't think they wish to take over. I don't think that would be good for football. However, I would love to see FPATT represented in TTFF, and hope that they try to force this.

Your last comment was accurate. I think FPATT want to ensure that all players are represented, and I hope they ensure that the U17s have got fair and proper contracts.

I look forward to FPATT releasing their official statements, as this may prevent confusion caused by people like me mis quoting them!
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: Touches on May 10, 2007, 07:40:50 PM
Thank You kentsoulman

appreciated

Cheers  :beermug:
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: Pointman on May 10, 2007, 07:52:08 PM
sign meh up one time
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: true warrior on May 11, 2007, 06:24:19 PM
kentsoulman, what's the latest with FPATT?
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: Babalawo on May 12, 2007, 12:48:06 AM
thanx true warrior for bringing up this post again
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: kentsoulman on May 12, 2007, 02:13:38 AM
As far as I know, the players for the funday are starting to fly out next week.

Work has started on an FPATT website which sounds like its gonna be as good as this site.

Uniform is being manufactured and you should get a look at it on this site within next few days.

A warriors anthem has been selected and negotiations are underway to make it available for purchase via downloads.

Tv and press interviews have been organised from around 20th May to early June.

Meetings are being organised with all 12 clubs, and the PSL. The president of Concacaf has been invited to attend a forum with other interested parties (hopefully a govt representative and representative from FIFPro-the world association of players unions) as well as an English PFA rep,so-called FPATT special adviser Kevin Harrison  and players from FPATT.

Funding from FIFPro should be confirmed at their committee meeting in June.

Negotiations taking place with Business partners and sponsors.

Expect lots of activity and announcements in the press in the run up to the funday. I understand that 15,000 tickets have been made available and they are selling well.

Hope that helps!
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: Themanfriday on May 12, 2007, 02:48:11 AM
Stalker's back ;D

Hey KSM,
Please keep us updated I should be back in the US next month and will really like to know what I can do to assist the FPATT.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: Brownsugar on May 12, 2007, 05:18:39 AM
As far as I know, the players for the funday are starting to fly out next week.

Work has started on an FPATT website which sounds like its gonna be as good as this site.

Uniform is being manufactured and you should get a look at it on this site within next few days.

A warriors anthem has been selected and negotiations are underway to make it available for purchase via downloads.

Tv and press interviews have been organised from around 20th May to early June.

Meetings are being organised with all 12 clubs, and the PSL. The president of Concacaf has been invited to attend a forum with other interested parties (hopefully a govt representative and representative from FIFPro-the world association of players unions) as well as an English PFA rep,so-called FPATT special adviser Kevin Harrison  and players from FPATT.

Funding from FIFPro should be confirmed at their committee meeting in June.

Negotiations taking place with Business partners and sponsors.

Expect lots of activity and announcements in the press in the run up to the funday. I understand that 15,000 tickets have been made available and they are selling well.
Hope that helps!


Where could I tickets or from who??
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: fishs on May 12, 2007, 06:07:43 AM
 Dis going to die the same way de other one with Mr Hislop as advisor went.

 Unions does only work when yuh have a majority on board.
This is just another attempt by some of the players minders to get rid of Jack.

 See where this thing is by the time the qualifiers start an tell mih if ah lie.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: Midknight on May 12, 2007, 06:25:21 AM
Dis going to die the same way de other one with Mr Hislop as advisor went.

 Unions does only work when yuh have a majority on board.
This is just another attempt by some of the players minders to get rid of Jack.

 See where this thing is by the time the qualifiers start an tell mih if ah lie.

yuh disagreable eh fishes?  :'( Whey yuh been all this time btw?
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: fishs on May 12, 2007, 06:29:40 AM
Dis going to die the same way de other one with Mr Hislop as advisor went.

 Unions does only work when yuh have a majority on board.
This is just another attempt by some of the players minders to get rid of Jack.

 See where this thing is by the time the qualifiers start an tell mih if ah lie.

yuh disagreable eh fishes?  :'( Whey yuh been all this time btw?

I all for the union but it should not have been formed this way ... with some of the players for and some against.
It easy enough for TTff to ostracise the dissenting players as happening now and move on.
My big problem with it is also that is basically ah "foreign" thing with the home based players sort of isolated from the issues... anyhow.

Was home making merry .... will do a Morvant like post shortly.
Title: Latapy boots for FPATT auction.
Post by: Flex on May 12, 2007, 06:32:08 AM
Warriors boots on auction.
T&T Newsday Reports.
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The pair of football boots worn by Russell Latapy in the World Cup warm-up match against Peru early last year, his last match on home soil in Trinidad and Tobago colours, will go on the auctioner’s block.
The collectors’ item will be on display at the Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) “Football Funday” fund-raising event next Sunday at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo.
Also on auction display will be the boots worn by Carlos Edwards, with which he scored the spectacular winning goal to assured Sunderland promotion to the English Premiership next season.
Boots worn by Stern John and Dwight Yorke will also be on display.
Also all ten T&T Pro League clubs will receive 50 complimentry tickets each for the “Football Funday” event. With the 2007 Pro League season now kicking into high gear, the players will have the opportunity to join the thousands expected to attend the family event, for an exciting evening of football and fun.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: WestCoast on May 12, 2007, 07:22:21 AM
I all for the union but it should not have been formed this way ... with some of the players for and some against.
It easy enough for TTff to ostracise the dissenting players as happening now and move on.
My big problem with it is also that is basically ah "foreign" thing with the home based players sort of isolated from the issues... anyhow.
Was home making merry  .... will do a Morvant like post shortly.
Fishs, I ent know how you figure that this is ONLY for the forren players......
anyway, could you read the following post

West Coast, its been a long time coming, but the balance of power in football has changed over the last few years. Massive TV deals have given players unions the revenue to begin to influence the organisations. But don't forget that the English PFA is a 100 years old, yet they have only had real power in the last 20 years.

 FPATT will be a more modern union, but don't expect them to change football in T&T overnight. It will be a long struggle, but hopefully, the people will get behind its aims.

The difference is, that now, FIFA have stated that they WANT players unions and that they want dispute chambers in place worldwide by 2010, and they should include players representatives.
and I know for a FACT that if ya pardner Gally was a member of a union like this he would never have been treated like he was, you agree man?
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: kentsoulman on May 12, 2007, 01:08:29 PM
Dis going to die the same way de other one with Mr Hislop as advisor went.

 Unions does only work when yuh have a majority on board.
This is just another attempt by some of the players minders to get rid of Jack.

 See where this thing is by the time the qualifiers start an tell mih if ah lie.

Fishes, disspointed with the negative vibe.

tell me mate, if you don't start a union, how the hell can you get a majority on board? You can't ask people to join something that ain't there! Lets see how many non-"foreigners" join up before we decide its a failure.


Home based boys haven't experienced the benefits of a union-thats why the oversea players are  behind it. Also, the overseas boys have discovered that the all powerful Mr Warner is completely unknown in Europe, except for the boss men in UEFA. he's a nobody to supporters and players in Europe. The home based boys live in his shadow and are controlled by fear.

I'm also interested to find out who the players "minders" are that are pulling the strings. Can you please enlighten us, fishes.
Title: Re: Latapy boots for FPATT auction.
Post by: dreamer on May 12, 2007, 02:39:48 PM
Good story Flex. It shows that the players are coming together for a cause and making a contribution with their valuable personal items. Everybody seems to be chippin' in. There is hope. I hope FPATT really gets off the ground well and succeeds.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: dreamer on May 12, 2007, 05:22:33 PM
Wim totally in support of FPATT. He says it is essential and that he belongs to the FPATT equivalent in Holland and also belongs to a coaching union too
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: kentsoulman on May 12, 2007, 06:29:02 PM
Dreamer,where did you see that? really useful if FPATT could get that statement.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: dreamer on May 12, 2007, 06:45:54 PM
KSM, not see..heard it tonight. Wim Rijsbergen said it blatantly on Andre-the fearless one's show on I95.5 tonight. Ah not lying dread.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: WestCoast on May 12, 2007, 07:39:12 PM
Dreamer,where did you see that? really useful if FPATT could get that statement.
KentSoulMan, check the thread about here (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=d1191e366002a9b0839de09a1d41c90d&topic=27578.msg310447#msg310447)
I believe that he said that when he was on the Dutch Team in the World Cup the union had to negotiate contracts before hand about sponsorship, If I remember correctly...somebody with a better memory help me out.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: fishs on May 12, 2007, 11:09:02 PM
I all for the union but it should not have been formed this way ... with some of the players for and some against.
It easy enough for TTff to ostracise the dissenting players as happening now and move on.
My big problem with it is also that is basically ah "foreign" thing with the home based players sort of isolated from the issues... anyhow.
Was home making merry  .... will do a Morvant like post shortly.
Fishs, I ent know how you figure that this is ONLY for the forren players......
anyway, could you read the following post

West Coast, its been a long time coming, but the balance of power in football has changed over the last few years. Massive TV deals have given players unions the revenue to begin to influence the organisations. But don't forget that the English PFA is a 100 years old, yet they have only had real power in the last 20 years.

 FPATT will be a more modern union, but don't expect them to change football in T&T overnight. It will be a long struggle, but hopefully, the people will get behind its aims.

The difference is, that now, FIFA have stated that they WANT players unions and that they want dispute chambers in place worldwide by 2010, and they should include players representatives.
and I know for a FACT that if ya pardner Gally was a member of a union like this he would never have been treated like he was, you agree man?


 I am all for unions and associations , however they can't succeed if there is any disunity ( i guess that is why they are called unions). If all the pro ballers inTT and beyond had taken a stand not to play for TT until the money issue of the WC was settled, then TTFF would have it hard to get away with brush in the issue off.
Jack on TV with Spalk talking about how ungratefull the players are and that Birchall on strike etc. He could only do that because he in a position of strenght.
Anyhow maybe I should restate my position ..... although I have misgivings about the success of this latest venture by some players , I hope that for the overall benefit of the sport and our blessed crime ridden nation that it succeeds.
Title: Re: Latapy boots for FPATT auction.
Post by: Bourbon on May 12, 2007, 11:19:19 PM
Dem boots is not de same boots dat was in de display ting it had in de library....when de man wanted to charge oconnor for taking pictures?
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: kentsoulman on May 13, 2007, 05:53:11 AM
Thanks Fishs, sorry I mis understod you.

Having lived through the coal miners strike in UK in 70's, I saw Maggie Thatchers tactics of divide and conquer. They bussed in miners from other areas who were too frightened to strike. Now, there are no coal miners. The whole industry was closed down by Thatcher. Now, I don't believe in militant unions holding the country to ransom, but I do believe there is a time to stand united. The "scabs" who broke the miners picket lines are just as redundant as the strikers. The difference is, that they had to move to other areas because the whole community turned against the "scabs".

Certain players must be careful, because supporters will remember those who didn't support their team mates. Jack Warner is using Thatcher tactics. This is a turning point in the history of Trinidad and Tobago football. Change will come, and players need to decide if they want to be part of the future, or be remmembered as the guys who sold out?
Title: Re: Latapy boots for FPATT auction.
Post by: Jahyouth on May 13, 2007, 01:33:32 PM
Warriors boots on auction.
T&T Newsday Reports.
[/size]

The pair of football boots worn by Russell Latapy in the World Cup warm-up match against Peru early last year, his last match on home soil in Trinidad and Tobago colours, will go on the auctioner’s block.
The collectors’ item will be on display at the Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) “Football Funday” fund-raising event next Sunday at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo.
Also on auction display will be the boots worn by Carlos Edwards, with which he scored the spectacular winning goal to assured Sunderland promotion to the English Premiership next season.
Boots worn by Stern John and Dwight Yorke will also be on display.
Also all ten T&T Pro League clubs will receive 50 complimentry tickets each for the “Football Funday” event. With the 2007 Pro League season now kicking into high gear, the players will have the opportunity to join the thousands expected to attend the family event, for an exciting evening of football and fun.

If they did this online (via Ebay or some other similar medium) the foreign based could bid on them too.  I sure wouldn't mind getting Latapy's boots as a Collector's item/
Title: Re: Latapy boots for FPATT auction.
Post by: dcs on May 14, 2007, 01:28:23 AM

Who know what size boots Latapy wears?

Title: Re: Latapy boots for FPATT auction.
Post by: Themanfriday on May 14, 2007, 01:55:16 AM
wah yuh plan on putting dem orn. Dey ehy go make yuh play any better.  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Latapy boots for FPATT auction.
Post by: Touches on May 14, 2007, 06:40:40 AM
Its a red Puma boot with he signature on it.

Is a small boot around 6-8.

If is not that on display...dey LIE and dey chaining up the public.

I see d boot with meh two eye in the Socawarriors exhibit in the Library.

Yorke own was a old school /new school adidas black with a kinda ben on the side by the heel, like he have a bandy and Stern own was a Adidas.

If I reach the game I go verify if the things on display legit.

Also if any of alyuh could find the thread with the Socawarriors exhibit I think Oconnorg and myself describe the boots there too.




Title: Re: Latapy boots for FPATT auction.
Post by: Tallman on May 14, 2007, 08:10:17 AM
Also if any of alyuh could find the thread with the Socawarriors exhibit I think Oconnorg and myself describe the boots there too.
Look de thread: Soca Warriors Exhibition at the National Library (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=16869.0)
Title: Re: Latapy boots for FPATT auction.
Post by: Big Magician on May 14, 2007, 05:51:59 PM
somebody lend meh ah 10grand
Title: Re: Latapy boots for FPATT auction.
Post by: jai john on May 14, 2007, 05:55:45 PM
I thinking bout buying latas boots for Palos ! I want him to remember WC 2006 .. :devil:
Title: FPATT Kit
Post by: Tallman on May 15, 2007, 08:55:50 PM
(http://www.thewarriornation.com/images/stories/FPATT_Kit_Home.jpg)

(http://www.thewarriornation.com/images/stories/FPATT_TShirt.jpg)
Title: Re: FPATT Kit
Post by: E-man on May 15, 2007, 09:03:23 PM
Nice! hard to make out the logo though.

Now if there was a way to get them in the states...
Title: Re: FPATT Kit
Post by: mukumsplau on May 15, 2007, 10:26:10 PM
lookin alrightish in 2-D.....ah go get one because ah support d cause...FPATT do yuh damn thing...!...ah go take ah smedium...
Title: Re: FPATT Kit
Post by: kentsoulman on May 16, 2007, 01:51:02 AM
The top kit is the FPATT training kit.

Red and white is the official FPATT uniform.

Celebrities playing in all white.

Training kit and FPATT shirt will be available for £29.99. There will be a short sleeve version at £32.99 (unbelievably, it costs more because the sleeves have to be cut down!) Replica shirts in UK usually retail at £39.99.

There will be a link shortly to a special Vandanel page where shirts can be purchased direct, but shipping costs to T&T are expected to cost around £7. All FPATT items will be available locally once deals can be arranged with sports shops. It is also hoped that all league clubs in T&T will hold stock.

Obviously, this is just a visual and the logo will be more defined on the actual kits.

It was priority of the players that the Trinidad & Tobago flag was on the shirts. 
Title: British players speak out in support of FPATT.
Post by: kentsoulman on May 16, 2007, 02:00:36 AM
British players speak out in support of FPATT.

Welsh International goalkeeper, Glyn Garner has stated his disbelief concerning an alleged blacklist of Trindad & Tobagos  World Cup stars.
“ I can’t understand why a  national federation would prevent  its national manager from selecting some of the country’s top players” said Garner, who played for Wales in a pre World Cup warm up match against the Soca Warriors in Austria last June .
Garners comments followed a series of statements made by Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation officials and the national team manager Wim Rijsbergen,  which  stated that  the members of the world cup squad that are considering taking legal action against the federation, are not available for selection. The federation president, Oliver Scamps, had previously stated that  "Anybody who takes their Federation to court is in violation of FIFA rules. Once that threat is in the making we cannot deal with them,"

“It’s incredible” said Garner “How can this happen? The players have done nothing wrong, or threatened to strike. Even though they are in dispute over alleged unpaid bonuses, they  still want to play for their country. Why can’t the federation sort this out without weakening the teams chances of success. I can’t imagine anything like this happening in Wales . Even if there was a dispute, the PFA would negotiate with the Welsh  F.A. and the players would carry on representing their country.”

The Leyton Orient keeper continued “It’s obviously essential that they get their players union established ASAP.  This must be very frustrating for players and supporters.  Playing for your country is  every players ultimate aim, but that does not mean that the authorities should use it as a weapon  against anyone who questions them. If a player doesn’t adhere to his contract, he will be called to tribunal and, if guilty, can be punished, so surely the same applies to federations?  I think someone like CONCACAF or FIFA should get this matter resolved before too much damage is done to the national team.”
Title: Re: British players speak out in support of FPATT
Post by: kentsoulman on May 16, 2007, 02:08:37 AM
FPATT PRESS RELEASE

Leyton Orient left back Matt Lockwood, has backed the formation of a players union in Trinidad & Tobago.  Lockwood, who is Orients all time record penalty scorer, has been selected for the P.F.A.s’  team of the year for the 4th time . He scored 11 times for the O’s this season and was the London clubs second highest scorer.

“Having benefited throughout my career from the support offered by the P.F.A. in England, I believe FPATT (Football Players Association of  Trinidad & Tobago) can  assist Trinidad & Tobago in building on the fantastic accomplishment of World Cup qualification in 2006” said Lockwood.

FPATT intend to provide as many of the benefits offered by the English P.F.A. as possible, including education programmes, football in the community initiatives and financial services.

Lockwood, who will be celebrating his 10th season with Leyton Orient this year hopes to net a big name Premiership club for his testimonial. “It would be great for the fans if we can arrange a match with the top premiership guys on show” said Lockwood. He added “I’ve been very lucky in my career, but it gives you confidence to know that the P.F.A. are only a phone call away if you need them. I see a lot of the good work that they do. Orients football in the community scheme is one of the best in the country, and that is an initiative the P.F.A. can be proud of.”

Lockwood continued “I believe that  professional players of all nations should have access to a footballers union, and urge the professional  footballers of Trinidad & Tobago to get behind  FPATT. The union will only be as strong as its membership, and players need to speak with one voice. When you look at the unprecedented amounts  of money being put into football these days, players need a dedicated  body to negotiate on their behalf and ensure all players interests are protected.”
Title: Re: British players speak out in support of FPATT
Post by: Themanfriday on May 16, 2007, 03:49:24 AM
The Stalker

Good job. everyone needs to speak out about this in justice
Title: Re: British players speak out in support of FPATT
Post by: Weh-it-is on May 16, 2007, 07:00:50 AM
It's so sad to see that it seems like everyone besides those clowns at TTFF, could find a solution to this apparent problem. Like they dotish or something? They really say knowledge and intelligence does not bring common scene.   

Title: Re: British players speak out in support of FPATT
Post by: fishs on May 16, 2007, 08:49:21 AM


Lockwood continued “I believe that  professional players of all nations should have access to a footballers union, and urge the professional  footballers of Trinidad & Tobago to get behind  FPATT. The union will only be as strong as its membership, and players need to speak with one voice. When you look at the unprecedented amounts  of money being put into football these days, players need a dedicated  body to negotiate on their behalf and ensure all players interests are protected.”

When dat happen den things would change but for now.....
Title: Re: British players speak out in support of FPATT
Post by: kentsoulman on May 16, 2007, 05:34:27 PM
FPATT PRESS RELEASE


Neil Harris, Millwalls all time record goal scorer has spoke out in support of the formation of a players union in Trinidad and Tobago.  “These days, it is immensely important as a player to know you have the security of an organisation that you can trust to look after your best interests” said Harris. “there are so many people willing to offer you advice, but you can’t always be sure if the advice offered is better for you, or better for them. Clubs, managers, physios, agents and even the F.A. have their own interests to consider first, whereas the P.F.A.s’ main interest is to support you as a player.”

Harris enjoyed an illustrious first season with Millwall, winning the  Golden Boot in 2000/2001 as the top English goal scorer. After spells with Cardiff (loan), Nottingham Forest and Gillingham (loan), Neil has finally returned to his spiritual home. “Millwall is where I feel at home, and I fully expect us to be challenging for an automatic promotion spot next season” said Harris, who scored his 94th  league goal for Millwall against Rotherham in January, to steal Teddy Sheringhams title of  all time league goal scorer.

“It was a proud moment” said Neil “But one that I didn’t think I would achieve back in 2001” Harris was out of football for nearly a year when he was diagnosed with cancer. “That’s when  you realise that  you have to be grateful for what you have and not take things for granted. A few months before, I was a goalscoring  hero, the next, just another patient in hospital. At these times, the support of family and friends is essential. But it is also when you realise that the PFA is there for you. Aside from fighting illness, you worry about your career, and although the supporters and staff at Millwall were tremendous, you know that you‘re only as good as your last game. The guys at the PFA gave me support and advice, and it was comforting to know that  there was financial security in place via their insurances and  pensions if I needed it.”

“For the players in Trinidad & Tobago to have the support of a players union is invaluable. You take it for granted most of the time, but if you are unlucky enough to go through  a difficult phase in your career, its good to know you  have someone on your side” said Harris, who played alongside Soca Warriors Brent Sancho and Ian Cox at Gillingham. “The PFA have contacted me several times to offer advice to players suffering similar traumas to me, and I’ve been delighted to offer some comfort to those guys.”   

About the formation of the Football Players Association of Trinidad & Tobago, Neil said “I saw how proud  Sanch and Coxy were about representing Trinidad & Tobago in the world cup and was a little bit envious”. Harris  continued “it’s a vast achievement,  and it’s a shame that  players are not being selected because they are in dispute with their federation over bonuses. It’s something that wouldn’t happen here in England, as the P.F.A. would be the middle man between players and clubs or  the F.A.  This is why its essential for FPATT to speak on behalf of all of Trinidad & Tobago’s players. “
   
Looking forward, Neil’s next target is Sheringhams 111 goal all competition total. “it’s a target I’ve always aimed for” said Harris.  “My total stands at 104 goals, so I really feel its finally within my reach”

Title: Re: British players speak out in support of FPATT
Post by: dreamer on May 16, 2007, 06:40:52 PM
Borse work KSM. Yuh is a giant.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: dreamer on May 17, 2007, 06:19:20 PM
Any more good news on FPATT. Is definitely one of those coming-of-age developments in slow-to-smell-de- corfee T&T. Ah cyah wait fuh de footballers to realize dat they are professionals just like in any other profession and not indentured labourers or slaves on a fleckin' plantation takin' whip  :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip:

Dem days done. Now is internet, personal website, business card, computer literacy, media savvy, shirt, tie and suit, public speaking, image marketing, personal attorney, international travel every week jess so voooshhhh!...dat separating de sheep from de goat and determining who make de fast move and geh de contract by being ahead of de game. Got to be aggressive and on yuh laptop computer with wireless planning yuh career move, checking yuh email every hoiur even while yuh in de airport waiting fuh connecting flight. Yuh have to be connected 24/7 with de latest multimedia ready to even be yuh own agent and not dependent like coonoomoonoo on Mike Berry and dem smartmen. Learn de ropes dread.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: kentsoulman on May 17, 2007, 06:58:37 PM
I gather that Terry Fenwick and the directors at Jabloteh have given permission for Aurtis and Cyd to play in the funday match. Also, I understand there is an agreement that Cornell can make a cameo appearance, as he is not yet fully recovered from injury.

This really puts FPATT on the football map. If the proleague clubs are willing to support the union, its only a matter of time before TTFF are the only people in Trinidad not recognising FPATT.

Carlos, Birchall and Kelvin all in Trini now. Just waiting for Shaka to arrive.

There is a press launch today (friday) at 11am at Hasely Crawford Stadium and its hoped that most pro league clubs will be represented. Also, there is a radio discussion on saturday at 6pm. Not sure which station. Think it will include some of the players and a link up to the "special adviser" Kevin Harrison in England.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: dreamer on May 17, 2007, 08:16:09 PM
I gather that Terry Fenwick and the directors at Jabloteh have given permission for Aurtis and Cyd to play in the funday match. Also, I understand there is an agreement that Cornell can make a cameo appearance, as he is not yet fully recovered from injury.

This really puts FPATT on the football map. If the proleague clubs are willing to support the union, its only a matter of time before TTFF are the only people in Trinidad not recognising FPATT.

Carlos, Birchall and Kelvin all in Trini now. Just waiting for Shaka to arrive.

There is a press launch today (friday) at 11am at Hasely Crawford Stadium and its hoped that most pro league clubs will be represented. Also, there is a radio discussion on saturday at 6pm. Not sure which station. Think it will include some of the players and a link up to the "special adviser" Kevin Harrison in England.

Borse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

:salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute:
 
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

All now Jackula sayin'   :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead:

Jackula:  "How ah geyyin to teef moe morney now fuh de nex' few years. Dese ballers geyyin' too bright wid dey damn self. FPATT my ass!!  >:(  ".  "Scamps, come into my office now!!!". " Leh we start wukkin' on de baby Warriors as dey should be easier to rip orf of some good change,  as dem eh too bright and doh undertand life yet." "We had to go fuh de younger ones while dey in high school.

Scamps: "Yes sir, Mr Jackula"

Jackula: "Who de hell yuh callin' Jackula". " Take care I wipe orf yuh damn thalary, yuh hear Mister"

Scamps: "Sorry borse". "Yuh know dat without you I am nuhtin  :'( "

Jackula: " So what thould we do about Thancho and Jack. Dey get on de damn TV thixth Mornin' Edithion fuh everybody to thee and make we look bad, while people eating dey bake and buljol. Rodent, yuh kinda quiet, Wha' yuh tink? What thould we do, as ah feel we loothing ground despite thowing a brave fathe, and Thpalkthman eh really geyyin' muchth tracthion to puth we version of the sthtory."

Rodent:  " Borse, I real tired wit' dis now. Yuh eh go like what ah really tinkin' eh, but ah feel we should give up and say sorry and tell Sancho, Jack, Stern, Jones, Yorke, Birchall, Avery and Gray to don de juzzy as we cyah keep dis up. The T&T public is fed up and jess yesterday me and meh family geh stone on we own street!! Sir Ah cyah take dis! And to besides, we need de morney chief, that comes from the sponsors who want to see Birchall, Stern and company. Remember, Chief, we could be rich again if we reach de finals of de Gold Cup. De plan for scab labour will jess leave us broke Sir"." Leh we face reality nah. We diggin' we own grave."

Jackula:  :banginghead: :banginghead: :banginghead: Ok ok ok ok!!!!!!!!!!!!  " Call Sancho on he cell and tell him we ready to strike a deal.....Now!!!!!!" "De blacklist......will resume after de Gold Cup"  >:(

Scamps : "Yes Mr Jackula, ah mean Chief " ;D
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: kentsoulman on May 18, 2007, 03:45:25 AM
Dreamer-that was funny, man!

If only that would really happen.

More like Jack would be asking Camps "Get on the phone to those Pakistan cricket boys. Think its time we did a "Woolmer". Lets get them boys over here with their "bobsleighing" technique"

Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: WestCoast on May 18, 2007, 04:09:28 AM
Dreamer you is a boss, man
Great work! ;)
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: Brownsugar on May 18, 2007, 05:18:37 AM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Good one dey Dreamer, Good one..... :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: true warrior on May 19, 2007, 06:12:54 AM
I gather that Terry Fenwick and the directors at Jabloteh have given permission for Aurtis and Cyd to play in the funday match. Also, I understand there is an agreement that Cornell can make a cameo appearance, as he is not yet fully recovered from injury.

This really puts FPATT on the football map. If the proleague clubs are willing to support the union, its only a matter of time before TTFF are the only people in Trinidad not recognising FPATT.

Carlos, Birchall and Kelvin all in Trini now. Just waiting for Shaka to arrive.

There is a press launch today (friday) at 11am at Hasely Crawford Stadium and its hoped that most pro league clubs will be represented. Also, there is a radio discussion on saturday at 6pm. Not sure which station. Think it will include some of the players and a link up to the "special adviser" Kevin Harrison in England.
kentsoulman... can you confirm if the Radio discussion is still on and which station?

Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: kentsoulman on May 19, 2007, 06:56:46 AM
Radio interview is tonite between 6.15 and 7pm on 195.1FM
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: dreamer on May 19, 2007, 09:29:05 AM

There is a press launch today (friday) at 11am at Hasely Crawford Stadium and its hoped that most pro league clubs will be represented. Also, there is a radio discussion on saturday at 6pm. Not sure which station. Think it will include some of the players and a link up to the "special adviser" Kevin Harrison in England.


KSM, anybody....How did the press launch come off yesterday at de Hasely. Anything in the news? Oh gor.... I have to beg the newspapers anf TTFF Press office for dis info  >:(  ? Well as long as I eh beggin' Jackula. ;D
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: kentsoulman on May 19, 2007, 04:01:20 PM
from what I gather, there were two tv channels there and the Trini guardian published a photo and a report. However, some journalists were not present & later claimed they didn't receive a letter of invitation. these letters were sent, so it appears there are some editors who seem reluctant to give FPATT any exposure. After all,  if they didn't get an invite, surely any decent journo would ask why they didn't get one. If journalists only covered events they are invited to, there would be no news!
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: dreamer on May 20, 2007, 10:06:58 AM
I see KSM. Thanks. Very very interesting  :thinking: :thinking:  Papayo! Dis geyyin' duttyer and duttyer

Anybody else hear (or see  :heehee: ) anything.

Flex, Tallman. palos...wha' goin' on dread?  Is a news boycott orwah?
Title: FPATT vs Celebrities match comments
Post by: Touches on May 21, 2007, 07:25:45 AM
Dear forumites,

Just some comments about the game yesterday.

1) FPATT management might want to look into that acronym seriously. It is currently being used by the Family Planning Association of Trinidad and Tobago. Check they website....they refer to themselves as such...lets hope another legal issue does not arise.

2) I was in the covered stands and I did not see any Latapy, Yorke, Stern boots or merchandise on display even though it was announced on this site.

3) No T-shirts, Uniforms, fliers, rag...nuttin that the fan could purchase or no information on Fpatt or its aims concerns etc were available.

Where were these items as promised????

I arrived around 4:10 expecting the game to be underway.

Instead two primary school teams were battling it out on the field.

After that the Soca Warriors came out and warmed up...the Celebrities however stayed in the dressing room.

Game kicked off at 4:45...crowd estimated at about 500

The soca Warriors squad comprised of Durance williams in goal, dog, sancho, cyd, Carlos, Silvio spann, Scotland, Kenwyne, Stern, Glen, Atiba Charles,Wolfe, Birchall, Tiger and Theobold. Kelvin Jack was the Manger on the bench.

So it was 15 of them with Glen and Atiba on the bench. Tiger came late. In fact one of our forumites stated...OH LORSE ATIBA cyar even start in a fete match.

The celebrities was strike squad men and other radio and media personalities...numberingl just over 26 of them.

Funny enough in the last 5 minutes it was 26 celebrities on the field vs the 11 warriors and they came back to equalise and force the game into a penalty shootout.

Celebrities started with leonson Lewis, Eve, Brian WIlliams, Clayton Morris, Alibey, Jason Williams a fella name Peter George in the post and Maximus striking.

First goal came from the celebrities...a expert tru ball latched on to leonson who turn Spann and from the top of the 18 curl a side footer past williams.

Leo still have it yes and was the main attacking force in the Celeb arsenal.

After that the warriors started to knock the ball and ping it around the field and Wolfe and Kenwyne were the main abortionist on the day. Wolfe throw away three easy sitter and Kenwyne take a while before he score. Each time he miss they would sub him and put him on the bench...so men was just coming on the field for both teams after a 5-10 min.

It had level blade passing and men was going in to tackles hard and fierce as men didnt want to get embarrassed.

the score was 3-1 at the end of the first 3rd......Fete match ting nah...3, 30 min thirds instead of 2, 45.

AFter that the score was about 5-2 and then the celebrites made a comeback.

Funny enough it didnt have no setta beat, fan, spanner, but proper ball, passes crosses etc. Jason williams hit Theobold a roly poly by the corner flag but this was the highlight "toolum" of the evening.

As a certain poster said...Terry Seales does have a bullet and he hit a few shots to goal and scored one.

Angus eve swerved in a free kick late in the dregs and the Strike Squad men showed they still have the class and flair about them passing neatly and taking long range bullet.

In the final 2 thirds the game was at walking pace with fellas strolling around.

In the second third the Soca Warriors switched it up and Dog was the striker and Stern was playing Last. Dog actually was the top scorer for the warriors netting a few.

There was an attempt at commentry in the earlies from I think Mr. Ayres...but it wasnt until the final third that the Fearless one andres baptiste gave his commentry over the PA system so folks knew what was going on.

Many people didnt know who the celebrities were so at times it looked like a setta Fat men in white jersey or a setta Rasta running on the field.

But in all it was good kicks and the celebrities had more of the crowd support.

with 5 min to go the score was 7-3 and the Celebrities made a comeback with the entire bench running on the field. It was 11 vs twenty something and they was just running like batchac.

To tie the game a penalty was awarded and Maximus dan stepped up to take it only to blaze the shot overbar.

Game went to panalties and it ended up a draw with Kenwyne and Tiger missing and Hypa Hopper and somebody else missing for the celebrities. Jason Wiliams and Nigel SImon scoring some good bullet.

Dinanath Ramnarine have some touch in him. While local Reggae artiste King Daivd hit a powder puff and people remarked it was sorf like a candle in the wind.

All in all a good day of fun was had and it was entertaining.

I eagerly await the next one

Finally doe forget we playing Haiti next week alyuh come out and support.

Celebrities From

PS: Jason Williams (the thin foot terror)
Maximus Dan
Khari Kill
Levi Myaz
Ziggy Rankin
Shall marshall
Jeffery Wharton Lake
Clayton Morris
Brian Williams
Leonson Lewis
Kwesi "Hypa Hoppa" Hopkinson
Ian Prescott
Merry Perry
Tony Lee
Nigel Simon
Andre Baptiste
Ruskin Mark
Walter Alibey
Damian Melville
Terry Seales
Kevin Baker
Tony prescott
Anton Corneal
Adesh Samaroo
Kenny Phillips
Title: Re: FPATT vs Celebrities match comments
Post by: grskywalker on May 21, 2007, 07:39:17 AM
Thanks for the report but it seems they have a long way to go. I am still in denial that we do not have birchie and dem lining up for the GOLD CUP
Title: Re: FPATT vs Celebrities match comments
Post by: Brownsugar on May 21, 2007, 08:20:26 AM
I started to comment on de game earlier but I mistakenly deleted my post and was to annoyed to re-write it at that point.....

I eh read yuh post yet Touches, but where de WN crew was?....I got there around 3:40 pm and coulda count on mih 10 fingers de number of people in de uncovered stands......
Title: Re: FPATT vs Celebrities match comments
Post by: Brownsugar on May 21, 2007, 08:26:26 AM
Ok and ah just realise dat ah leave before de game done...(and a few other people too) ah leave after 60 mins....but from what yuh saying dey ah real miss out de kicks towards de end....

Now ah know why de Express say de game end 10 - 10...and ah thought de reporter was losing it.... ;D ;D....
Title: Re: FPATT vs Celebrities match comments
Post by: SHOTTA on May 21, 2007, 08:44:07 AM
 big up to touches  girl warrior weary patriot and all the other forumites that was there

game was ok but credit to touches cuz nuthion from fpatt was available

stern play last tstopper and cyd dog and wolfe strike dog have some beat

glenn score a beautful lob so it was a niceness
Title: Re: FPATT vs Celebrities match comments
Post by: Brownsugar on May 21, 2007, 09:14:27 AM
big up to touches  girl warrior weary patriot and all the other forumites that was there

game was ok but credit to touches cuz nuthion from fpatt was available

stern play last tstopper and cyd dog and wolfe strike dog have some beat

glenn score a beautful lob so it was a niceness

Where were you guys??....
Title: Re: FPATT vs Celebrities match comments
Post by: SHOTTA on May 21, 2007, 11:07:39 AM
WE WERE IN COVERED BEHIND THE CAMERA MEN BOUT THE HALF LINE


easily visible in warriornation regalia :devil:
Title: Re: FPATT vs Celebrities match comments
Post by: Brownsugar on May 22, 2007, 04:29:02 AM
WE WERE IN COVERED BEHIND THE CAMERA MEN BOUT THE HALF LINE


easily visible in warriornation regalia :devil:

Alright ok.....next time I goin to double check wid all yuh before ah leave home.....cuz ah was de only one in my warrior nation regalia in de damn uncovered stands..... ;D ;D
Title: Re: FPATT vs Celebrities match comments
Post by: freakazoid on May 22, 2007, 04:44:43 AM
is it just me? or isnt very ironic that no one knew who d celebrites were armmmmmmm am  i missing something here ;D
Title: Re: FPATT vs Celebrities match comments
Post by: Brownsugar on May 22, 2007, 04:55:49 AM
Ah meant to say dis since yesterday.....ah was reeeaaallll disappointed wid de turn out at de stadium.....ah beginning to feel de people who really care bout we football all living abroad and de ones who still here is de pre-Strike Squad bunch who remember de love and good vibes from back den....

I dunno eh, I just trying to find a reason why we cyar get behind a cause at all, at all.....we does just take it up we bleeeppp......and leave it so....and dat goes for every part of society....

Food prices high, high.....we take it so
We cyar afford house and land......we take it so
Gov't say poverty reduced and use a income level of $655 per month as de basis for coming up wid dat.......we take it so
De supermarkets didn't remove VAT off some items in January instead some months later, never mind dey does jack up de price of items before de budget done read....we take it so....

Ssssttteeeeuupppssss.....leave it so, we like it so......ah tired.... :( :(
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: true warrior on May 26, 2007, 08:32:22 PM
Here are a few suggestions for FPATT


1.  Plan an organized MARCH in front of the TTFF office, where you will have a press conference.
2. Contact the police commissioner and get permission for the march
3. We the fans get our banners ready.
4. Fans from abroad who can offer support, organise your plane trip once the date is given.
5.  Place an ADVERTISEMENT in the paper letting all soca warrior fans know a march is in effect.
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=27953.msg315463#msg315463

6. Invite all soca warrior fans to walk with a T&T flag as a sign of solidarity and wear red...
  • we want transparency in how TTFF runs their business.
  • We want financial statements published in the papers.
  • We want players selected for the games based on ABILITY, players must earn their position based on being the cream of the crop.
 
7.  We want the TTFF to speak to the fans.  If they are not in the country, they should sent a representative to answer the questions.
8. If the fans do not get an answer from this march. then step up protest actions at the games....Chanting, banners etc.

This is not a time to back down.  We want to celebrate just like Mexicans, USA.  Its time the fans DEMAND that the TTFF put their house in order.   Bring victory home o'else.......
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: true warrior on May 27, 2007, 08:59:50 AM
kentsoulman, what is FPATT's next move....  :waiting:
Title: FPATT Thread
Post by: FireBrand on May 29, 2007, 12:22:06 PM
English rep calls for TTFF and FPATT to work together.
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).


 
The English representative for two of this country’s World Cup team members is calling for there to be an amicable relationship between the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation and the recently formed Football Players Association.
Davies, a former scout for English club Manchester City arrived in the country last week for a few days to handle business involving local youth players Khaleem Hyland, Lester Peltier and Atulla Guerra who are awaiting their work permit approvals before heading off to Portsmouth . He is also the representative for Brent Sancho and Kelvin Jack.
Davies felt that the formation of FPATT could only bear benefits with input from the TTFF.
“They (FPATT) have to be professional about it and it needs to involve the TTFF,” Davies told TTFF Media as he watched the senior team train at the Ato Boldon Stadium on Tuesday morning.
“Someone from the TTFF should be involved with them and they should be guided by someone like Jack Warner for instance with all his wealth of experience. Instead of any fighting they should be in it together. With the right guidance this whole set up could only be beneficial to both parties and football on a whole in this country,” he added.
“If you don’t work together then you will not get the best out of it. There must be a good working relationship and guidance and I don’t mean someone from the TTFF needing to work for them (FPATT) but they should be able to sit down and hold discussions. The English PFA got guidance from their FA and look where it has taken them,” Davies stressed.
Though aware of the current impasse between some of the World Cup players and the TTFF which has forced them out of the squad for the CONCACAF Gold Cup, Davies pointed out that he didn’t think that the two issues should be linked as the Players Association was not formed with any aims of seeking big pay outs.
He would only add: “They need to solve it and they need to get together around a table and get to the bottom of this quickly. You won’t ever have a solution to a problem between two people, in this case two parties, unless you sit down and reason.”
Currently Davies is working on finding a new club for Sancho who is no longer attached to English team Gillingham . He hinted that the likes of Doncaster Rovers, Swansea City , Port Vale and Luton Town are among the possibilities for the former Finnish-based professional.
 
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: kentsoulman on June 04, 2007, 03:30:14 AM
FPATT was officially formed last week in Trinidad. They met with WIPA the cricketers union and also with the ProLeague, who are supportive. The next step is to issue application forms to players.
However, it does appear that they are not being recognised by TTFF or Concacaf. Not sure what there next move will be.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: WestCoast on June 04, 2007, 05:32:27 AM
With regards to football in TnT , Mr. Warner has been and will always try to be, everything that is football and I would not for a moment doubt that he will start up his own union with the stipulation that all players in TnT HAVE to join HIS union and no other. especially now that FIFA seems to want players unions.
If this does not happen I would be pleasently surprised.
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: Brownsugar on June 04, 2007, 06:51:40 AM
FPATT was officially formed last week in Trinidad. They met with WIPA the cricketers union and also with the ProLeague, who are supportive. The next step is to issue application forms to players.
However, it does appear that they are not being recognised by TTFF or Concacaf. Not sure what there next move will be.

Nah kentsoulman, yuh serious?? ???  Ah thought FIFA is welcoming players unions....so how de TTFF could not recognise them.....oh right, never mind....is Jackula we talking bout...ssstteeeuuppss!!!..
Title: FPATT targets ethical agents.
Post by: Flex on June 04, 2007, 08:02:45 AM
FPATT targets ethical agents.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).


It is less than two weeks since the Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) accepted its first members but the interim committee has already set an early target and it should be good news for the nation’s talented young players.
Past and present Trinidad and Tobago football stars like Russell Latapy, Jerren Nixon, Anthony Rougier, Stern John and Kelvin Jack have claimed hardships brought on by unscrupulous agents.
But, by the time the present national under-17 players turn professional, they should be able to benefit from an “Ethical Agents List” which is FPATT’s first priority for a nation eager to export its best products.
Kevin Harrison, an English Professional Footballers Association (PFA) financial advisor and FPATT advisor, told the Trinidad Express that FPATT planned to visit agents and encourage them to accept certain criteria for handling local talent in exchange for its approval.
“It is very difficult for a player that has no experience outside Trinidad and Tobago to know whether he is being offered a good deal or not,” said Harrison . “So I think it our duty to offer a layer or protection… We would like to sit down with agents and say ‘this is the minimum criteria we would expect’, i.e. that is the maximum we would expect you to charge.
“Agents can choose whether or not they adhere to those guidelines. If they do, then they will be on our ethical agent list.”
He explained that players were still free to select their own agents but warned that FPATT could do little for anyone who goes outside its list for representation.
“Players can choose other agents, of course, but they will be foregoing their representation,” said Harrison , “because if they choose someone off that list we have no power to get involved. If they choose someone on that list and they are not happy, we can then go back to the agent and say ‘look, we can take you off this list because you are not adhering to the guidelines we set’.
“So I think that will be a very important contribution over the next few years and that is one of the first things we want to get in place.”
Sunderland FC striker Stern John was the first player to join FPATT, on May 24, along with fellow UK-based players Marvin Andrews, Dennis Lawrence and Brent Sancho. However, Harrison pointed out that overseas players can only be associate members and will have no voting rights, since they are already attached to unions in their countries of residence.
FPATT plans to go on a recruiting drive within the domestic leagues soon although local players are free to join of their own volition. Interested persons can call 715-8731. Membership is free for the first year.
Harrison, who returned to England last Thursday, said that locally-based players chosen for national duty were also an immediate priority as they are the “most vulnerable” commodities.
“We have got a situation here where the national players are not happy with the relationship they’ve got with the (Trinidad and Tobago Football) Federation,” he said, “and we have got to have that written out crystal clear. We can’t have things being done verbally anymore because the situation is such that you can’t be sure (contracts) will be upheld.”
Harrison held “very profitable” meetings with representatives from the Pro League executive committee and member clubs as well as the West Indies Players Association (WIPA) during his stay.
His courtesy calls on the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) and CONCACAF went unanswered, though.
“CONCACAF is the one that really annoys me,” he said, “because I understand FIFA have stated that they want to have at least 12 professional leagues in Africa and each league should be supported by a footballers union.
“Someone like Mr (Jack) Warner, who is a FIFA vice-president, would have signed up for that. They are players associations already set up across CONCACAF.
“So what I don’t understand is why Mr Warner does not want the same thing for his countrymen.”
FPATT urge T&TFF to climb down.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).


Kevin Harrison, adviser to the Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) and English Professional Footballers Association (PFA) financial advisor, has urged the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) to put patriotism before pride when dealing with its star players.
Sport Minister Roger Boynes met the "Soca Warriors" and T&TFF representatives in separate meetings Monday aimed at smoothing fraught relations between the parties, which led to 16 World Cup 2006 players being blacklisted from the 2007 Gold Cup squad and another four members declining a summons out of solidarity with their teammates.
Harrison, who visited Trinidad and Tobago last week to help the set up of FPATT, said the Federation should not lose sight of its positive role in local football despite the disagreement with the Warriors over World Cup bonus money.
"The Federation's prime concern has got to be the success of the national team," said Harrison. "If the children see the national team doing well, they are going to want to play football like their heroes. It gives the whole nation a buzz.
"To just not select 16 or 12 players is crazy. It is just self-destructive."
Harrison said FPATT was not created to "cause problems" but felt there was much room for improvement in the way players were treated. He explained that the local union considered the national players to be most vulnerable and planned to soon offer representation to the Warriors.
The days of footballers calling their own press conferences to address perceived slights may soon be over as Harrison envisions FPATT playing a leading role in future negotiations. For now, he wants the country's top players to return to the field as soon as possible.
He urged the T&TFF to do its best to represent the nation properly.
"The Federation must be man enough to stand up and say 'we want the best for our country'," he said. "So all this pride thing and this one-upsmanship, get it out of the way and just make a phone call. Sit around the table and see if you can resolve it."
Trinidad and Tobago play their first 2007 CONCACAF Gold Cup match tomorrow when they face El Salvador in California. The national team were losing semi-finalists at the 2000 Gold Cup but failed to get out of their group or win a match in the 2002 and 2005 editions, while they did not qualify for the 2003 tournament.
Title: Re: FPATT targets ethical agents.
Post by: FLi ! on June 04, 2007, 08:32:44 AM
excellent news for many reasons  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: FPATT targets ethical agents.
Post by: Themanfriday on June 04, 2007, 08:41:24 AM
I would hope that the present players join FRATT. Although I think Jab players Fenwick in manager /agent
Title: Re: FPATT targets ethical agents.
Post by: weary1969 on June 04, 2007, 09:05:09 AM
I goin and call d number and see what help they want and I go keep all yuh posted
Title: Re: FPATT targets ethical agents.
Post by: dreamer on June 04, 2007, 10:22:12 AM
Very very good news. dcs, curious to hear your opinion
Title: Re: FPATT targets ethical agents.
Post by: dcs on June 04, 2007, 10:36:35 AM
Very very good news. dcs, curious to hear your opinion

I almost gave it a second ago but say lemme hush my mouth   :D

ANYWAY i go talk


I glad they got some good work done over the past few weeks.  These recent developments way more significant than the games they organized (those were still important though not quite successful).  The structure they have set up where the power lies in the hands of the local players is extremely good.  It addresses a major issue of who this union represents.  It should also now be clear it is a way the foreign based have made a significant contribution back to the local game....it was needed and the timing is good. The support of the PFL is very significant....u get that first and TTFF and CONCACAF will have to come around with the way football is structured.
Soon they will want a good logo and a website to get information out there first hand and not depend on third parties.

Intersting thing to see is if they will list Mike Berry as an ethical agent.  If he goes to them and say I agree to these terms will they take him or will they freeze him out.  They have to be very careful how they go about selecting that list....it should be seen as set criteria that determine who on the list regardless of who on the committees.

Harrison might want to tone down his aggression if he really interested in working with the TTFF as they say.  History will show they don't react well to using the press to strong arm them. (i believe i recounting history accurately)
Title: Re: FPATT targets ethical agents.
Post by: oconnorg on June 04, 2007, 11:06:42 AM
Very very good news. dcs, curious to hear your opinion

I almost gave it a second ago but say lemme hush my mouth   :D

ANYWAY i go talk


I glad they got some good work done over the past few weeks.  These recent developments way more significant than the games they organized (those were still important though not quite successful).  The structure they have set up where the power lies in the hands of the local players is extremely good.  It addresses a major issue of who this union represents.  It should also now be clear it is a way the foreign based have made a significant contribution back to the local game....it was needed and the timing is good. The support of the PFL is very significant....u get that first and TTFF and CONCACAF will have to come around with the way football is structured.
Soon they will want a good logo and a website to get information out there first hand and not depend on third parties.

Intersting thing to see is if they will list Mike Berry as an ethical agent.  If he goes to them and say I agree to these terms will they take him or will they freeze him out.  They have to be very careful how they go about selecting that list....it should be seen as set criteria that determine who on the list regardless of who on the committees.

Harrison might want to tone down his aggression if he really interested in working with the TTFF as they say.  History will show they don't react well to using the press to strong arm them. (i believe i recounting history accurately)

I waiting to see how that will pan out my self..
Title: Re: FPATT targets ethical agents.
Post by: E-man on June 04, 2007, 11:32:07 AM
What are the chances that FPATT will be ready to stand as the front for the players when WC2010 qualifiers begin?
Title: Re: FPATT targets ethical agents.
Post by: Coop's on June 04, 2007, 12:17:50 PM
FPATT targets ethical agents.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).



FPATT plans to go on a recruiting drive within the domestic leagues soon although local players are free to join of their own volition. Interested persons can call 715-8731. Membership is free for the first year.
Harrison, who returned to England last Thursday, said that locally-based players chosen for national duty were also an immediate priority as they are the “most vulnerable” commodities.
“We have got a situation here where the national players are not happy with the relationship they’ve got with the (Trinidad and Tobago Football) Federation,” he said, “and we have got to have that written out crystal clear. We can’t have things being done verbally anymore because the situation is such that you can’t be sure (contracts) will be upheld.”
Harrison held “very profitable” meetings with representatives from the Pro League executive committee and member clubs as well as the West Indies Players Association (WIPA) during his stay.
His courtesy calls on the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) and CONCACAF went unanswered, though.
“CONCACAF is the one that really annoys me,” he said, “because I understand FIFA have stated that they want to have at least 12 professional leagues in Africa and each league should be supported by a footballers union.
“Someone like Mr (Jack) Warner, who is a FIFA vice-president, would have signed up for that. They are players associations already set up across CONCACAF.
“So what I don’t understand is why Mr Warner does not want the same thing for his countrymen.”
        After reading and following this whole FPATT situation i a bit skeptical and i'm just being cautious,this is going to end up in a war between Kevin Harrison and Jack Warner/TTFF,we have to be carefull with this guy Harrison,he is into the money business just like Jack he not in this for nothing,i don't think any foreigner has T&T Football/Footballers at heart like a Trini,it's easy to sell this to our players because they don't know better at the moment they grasping for straws and this guy taking advantage of them,all the fun raisers they had what has been done so far,all they have is meetings,they trying to get the locals on board.

         The agents being talked about here,are they representing players for free?my guess is players will have to pay these agents to represent them just like any lawyer.I appreciate and like what Harrison and the foreign based players are trying to do but if we don't have FPATT based in T&T run by personal based in T&T it will have problems,for example the TTFF don't want to meet/sit down with them,the locals have no access to them when they are needed,this will help the foreign based players.

          Harrison seems to be working hard because that's what the job is all about,the more business he can generate it's good for him,the same does Jack so you will find they will never see eye to eye,he's moonlighting in Jack's area.How much money does the local players make,most don't make anything at all.Where i would like to see FPATT and it's agents help our players is when i see so many foreign based players scrubbing bench,getting ten/fifteen minutes in a game,some have no contracts,playing in reserve leagues,some injured/laid up and have to come back home with no future,look at the kind of money some of our players make,where are the agents?they are just no use,a waste of time.

           In Football today,honestly is there anybody we can trust?everbody has their own agenda and it is how much money i can make/get, professionalism has destroyed T&T Football,it is not,will not and can't be the same because we are trying to compare ourselves with what's foreign and not being ourselves.
Title: Re: FPATT targets ethical agents.
Post by: zuluwarrior on June 04, 2007, 12:48:43 PM
Yuh know i might be wrong but i feel shaka and stern john dem smart enough to know if this man seeking their interest or jus his ,buh wah ah want to know iz if the playerz on the present  national team hook up wid the association yet or if they have any intention of doing so,any body know  they might geh kick out to ? this remind  me of the stand off wid JACKand the ARTHUR SUITE stand off , jack win that rounds but this rounds he would not win to much  people watching . 
Title: Re: FPATT targets ethical agents.
Post by: Sam on June 04, 2007, 04:29:18 PM
Once we have men who heart is with us and not in for just name or money. There will be no barriers. Or wait, just one, Jack Warner.
Title: Re: FPATT targets ethical agents.
Post by: weary1969 on June 04, 2007, 06:51:46 PM
Like dey eh wnat no help nobody eh answer d phone. I go try again but I eh go b tryin 4 ever
Title: Re: FPATT- some comments on its aims
Post by: kentsoulman on June 04, 2007, 07:39:19 PM
Brownsugar, i think you hit the nail on the head! I can't figure out Warners thinking. At one level, he endorses player unions, yet at home, even though its his official duty at CONCACAF, he ignores FPATT. Its not like they haven't got support from FIFPro. Somebody will eventually question his actions. It makes him look foolish. Imagine an African representative standing up at FIFA and saying "Mr Warner, you tell us we HAVE to have a union if we have a league, yet you have done NOTHING to help the union in your own country. Once we see you do something, then we will follow"

That drive him crazy.

please God, please God!!
Title: Re: FPATT targets ethical agents.
Post by: kentsoulman on June 04, 2007, 07:51:20 PM
FPATT targets ethical agents.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).



FPATT plans to go on a recruiting drive within the domestic leagues soon although local players are free to join of their own volition. Interested persons can call 715-8731. Membership is free for the first year.
Harrison, who returned to England last Thursday, said that locally-based players chosen for national duty were also an immediate priority as they are the “most vulnerable” commodities.
“We have got a situation here where the national players are not happy with the relationship they’ve got with the (Trinidad and Tobago Football) Federation,” he said, “and we have got to have that written out crystal clear. We can’t have things being done verbally anymore because the situation is such that you can’t be sure (contracts) will be upheld.”
Harrison held “very profitable” meetings with representatives from the Pro League executive committee and member clubs as well as the West Indies Players Association (WIPA) during his stay.
His courtesy calls on the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) and CONCACAF went unanswered, though.
“CONCACAF is the one that really annoys me,” he said, “because I understand FIFA have stated that they want to have at least 12 professional leagues in Africa and each league should be supported by a footballers union.
“Someone like Mr (Jack) Warner, who is a FIFA vice-president, would have signed up for that. They are players associations already set up across CONCACAF.
“So what I don’t understand is why Mr Warner does not want the same thing for his countrymen.”
        After reading and following this whole FPATT situation i a bit skeptical and i'm just being cautious,this is going to end up in a war between Kevin Harrison and Jack Warner/TTFF,we have to be carefull with this guy Harrison,he is into the money business just like Jack he not in this for nothing,i don't think any foreigner has T&T Football/Footballers at heart like a Trini,it's easy to sell this to our players because they don't know better at the moment they grasping for straws and this guy taking advantage of them,all the fun raisers they had what has been done so far,all they have is meetings,they trying to get the locals on board.

         The agents being talked about here,are they representing players for free?my guess is players will have to pay these agents to represent them just like any lawyer.I appreciate and like what Harrison and the foreign based players are trying to do but if we don't have FPATT based in T&T run by personal based in T&T it will have problems,for example the TTFF don't want to meet/sit down with them,the locals have no access to them when they are needed,this will help the foreign based players.

          Harrison seems to be working hard because that's what the job is all about,the more business he can generate it's good for him,the same does Jack so you will find they will never see eye to eye,he's moonlighting in Jack's area.How much money does the local players make,most don't make anything at all.Where i would like to see FPATT and it's agents help our players is when i see so many foreign based players scrubbing bench,getting ten/fifteen minutes in a game,some have no contracts,playing in reserve leagues,some injured/laid up and have to come back home with no future,look at the kind of money some of our players make,where are the agents?they are just no use,a waste of time.

           In Football today,honestly is there anybody we can trust?everbody has their own agenda and it is how much money i can make/get, professionalism has destroyed T&T Football,it is not,will not and can't be the same because we are trying to compare ourselves with what's foreign and not being ourselves.

From interview by Flex with Kevin Harrison......

4. Tell us a bit about your work and how hard was it to form a union being based in the UK thousand of miles away.
I am a self employed financial adviser working for PFA Financial Management, and as such, spend a lot of time with players. I knew Ian Cox quite well and he introduced me to Brent and Kelvin, who asked for my help in getting FPATT off the ground. We held meetings with leading PFA officials, who explained the process and put us in touch with FIFPro, the world association of professional footballers unions. There are currently 42 unions with over 45,000 members.
We held a fundraising event in London which raised around £2,500. It has been very difficult to form a union in T&T from London, but we have help from people such as Alison Ayres who has worked extremely hard in Trinidad to pave the way for the players return to the islands.
Supporting FPATT has cost me personally over £5,000 in lost business, as I have not been paid a penny for my work with FPATT. I also paid my own flight and accommodation costs to go to Trinidad (although these will eventually be reimbursed).

In the current climate, you're right to not trust anyone at face value. However, Sancho, Jack, etc ain't suckers. I'm sure they check him out before they alow him to get involved. Theres no doubt his career will benefit from his involvement, but is really a bad thing?
Title: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT.
Post by: Football supporter on June 04, 2007, 08:09:45 PM
Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT.

Good evening, forum. I hope you don't mind me posting the occasional note here.

Let me start with a newsflash!! I just got a call from Alison Ayres, an FPATT representative in Trinidad. Minister Boynes met with TTFF reps this morning. He then had a meeting with FPATT members.

This is a major step forward, as, even though the groups were not in the same room, TTFF have officially recognised FPATT.

Also, the fact that there is now dialogue, gives us all hope.

I hope that even if the financial dispute cannot be settled quickly, at least the blacklist could be listed. This is what we all want-to see the best possible Trinidad & Tobago team. It may be too late for the Gold Cup, but World Cup qualification starts in 8 months, so lets hope we see the best of the Warriors take the field alongside the best of the so called baby warriors.

I saw a post on here that said I was attacking Jack Warner. That is not the case per se, I am angry with his lack of respect for what the players are trying to achieve for the benefit of all involved in T&T football. I just think Mr Warner should seperate out the issues, which I know he is capable of as he's a great administrator. His personal feelings should not get in the way of his position as Concacaf president and FIFA vice president.

Can I also just say thank you to all those that have voiced their support for FPATT, when we have been guilty of not providing information quickly enough. It has been incredibly difficult to conduct this launch across two continents , and you have to remmember that none of us have been involved in anything like this before.

Finally, can I say what a great country you have. I spent time on both islands and every single person I met was friendly and supportive. I only wish I had time to get tanned! I can't wait to come back out and lime with you guys. (Boy, am I glad Greenland didn't approach me first!) I really believe in this union and want to take an active part in the development of football in Trinidad & Tobago, and yes, if we can get some money rolling in, of course I would like to be paid for my work. However, it will be the local players who decide what I'm worth, if anything. I'm not here to take money from T&T football, but to add value. I look forward to your comments (I hope you don't all kick my ass in one go!)
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: weary1969 on June 04, 2007, 08:47:39 PM
Welcome yuh was goin good until u refered to Jack as a good administrator. On this site yuh eh have to kiss up to nobody we does keep it realllllllllllllll. Jack is a capital K crook.

Everybody know the blacklist eh have nutten to with the money owed. jack just badmind and is his way or the highway so I supportin FPATT because in 15 days(June 19) 70 yrs ago a fella call Butler insured that union and their players deal with fellas like Jack
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: trinikev on June 04, 2007, 08:49:35 PM
Big big welcome to the board, thanks for all the good work u doing, keep it going  :beermug:
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: Jayerson on June 04, 2007, 09:12:48 PM
Good evening, forum. I hope you don't mind me posting the occasional note here.

Let me start with a newsflash!! I just got a call from Alison Ayres, an FPATT representative in Trinidad. Minister Boynes met with TTFF reps this morning. He then had a meeting with FPATT members.

This is a major step forward, as, even though the groups were not in the same room, TTFF have officially recognised FPATT.

Also, the fact that there is now dialogue, gives us all hope.

I hope that even if the financial dispute cannot be settled quickly, at least the blacklist could be listed. This is what we all want-to see the best possible Trinidad & Tobago team. It may be too late for the Gold Cup, but World Cup qualification starts in 8 months, so lets hope we see the best of the Warriors take the field alongside the best of the so called baby warriors.

I saw a post on here that said I was attacking Jack Warner. That is not the case per se, I am angry with his lack of respect for what the players are trying to achieve for the benefit of all involved in T&T football. I just think Mr Warner should seperate out the issues, which I know he is capable of as he's a great administrator. His personal feelings should not get in the way of his position as Concacaf president and FIFA vice president.

Can I also just say thank you to all those that have voiced their support for FPATT, when we have been guilty of not providing information quickly enough. It has been incredibly difficult to conduct this launch across two continents , and you have to remmember that none of us have been involved in anything like this before.

Finally, can I say what a great country you have. I spent time on both islands and every single person I met was friendly and supportive. I only wish I had time to get tanned! I can't wait to come back out and lime with you guys. (Boy, am I glad Greenland didn't approach me first!) I really believe in this union and want to take an active part in the development of football in Trinidad & Tobago, and yes, if we can get some money rolling in, of course I would like to be paid for my work. However, it will be the local players who decide what I'm worth, if anything. I'm not here to take money from T&T football, but to add value. I look forward to your comments (I hope you don't all kick my ass in one go!)

Thanks for the post, it would be nice to know your identity. Good luck and lets hope this great mess gets handled soon.
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: WestCoast on June 05, 2007, 01:56:02 AM
I saw a post on here that said I was attacking Jack Warner. That is not the case per se, I am angry with his lack of respect for what the players are trying to achieve for the benefit of all involved in T&T football. I just think Mr Warner should seperate out the issues, which I know he is capable of as he's a great administrator. His personal feelings should not get in the way of his position as Concacaf president and FIFA vice president.

I think what we have to clarify is that, yes as an administrator, he looks out for the benefit of himself first, Blatter and FIFA second and all else have to wait. There is no room for fairness
In that way he is the penultimate feudal lord of global football behind Blatter.
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on June 05, 2007, 03:01:03 AM
Good evening, forum. I hope you don't mind me posting the occasional note here.

Let me start with a newsflash!! I just got a call from Alison Ayres, an FPATT representative in Trinidad. Minister Boynes met with TTFF reps this morning. He then had a meeting with FPATT members.

This is a major step forward, as, even though the groups were not in the same room, TTFF have officially recognised FPATT.

Also, the fact that there is now dialogue, gives us all hope.

I hope that even if the financial dispute cannot be settled quickly, at least the blacklist could be listed. This is what we all want-to see the best possible Trinidad & Tobago team. It may be too late for the Gold Cup, but World Cup qualification starts in 8 months, so lets hope we see the best of the Warriors take the field alongside the best of the so called baby warriors.

I saw a post on here that said I was attacking Jack Warner. That is not the case per se, I am angry with his lack of respect for what the players are trying to achieve for the benefit of all involved in T&T football. I just think Mr Warner should seperate out the issues, which I know he is capable of as he's a great administrator. His personal feelings should not get in the way of his position as Concacaf president and FIFA vice president.

Can I also just say thank you to all those that have voiced their support for FPATT, when we have been guilty of not providing information quickly enough. It has been incredibly difficult to conduct this launch across two continents , and you have to remmember that none of us have been involved in anything like this before.

Finally, can I say what a great country you have. I spent time on both islands and every single person I met was friendly and supportive. I only wish I had time to get tanned! I can't wait to come back out and lime with you guys. (Boy, am I glad Greenland didn't approach me first!) I really believe in this union and want to take an active part in the development of football in Trinidad & Tobago, and yes, if we can get some money rolling in, of course I would like to be paid for my work. However, it will be the local players who decide what I'm worth, if anything. I'm not here to take money from T&T football, but to add value. I look forward to your comments (I hope you don't all kick my ass in one go!)

Thanks for the post, it would be nice to know your identity. Good luck and lets hope this great mess gets handled soon.

Sorry, Kevin Harrison, FPATT Special Adviser.
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: Pur_Trini on June 05, 2007, 03:16:57 AM
I jus' Google FPATT to see if the union site up and running yet and the search return the website for the Family Planning Association of Trinidad and Tobago ???!  I real surprised the "original" FPATT not making noise about the use of their acronym.

Anyhow, good luck to the union.  Hopefully it will get the backing it deserves................
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: kentsoulman on June 05, 2007, 04:38:29 AM
I jus' Google FPATT to see if the union site up and running yet and the search return the website for the Family Planning Association of Trinidad and Tobago ???!  I real surprised the "original" FPATT not making noise about the use of their acronym.

Anyhow, good luck to the union.  Hopefully it will get the backing it deserves................

Yeah, I saw that. Maybe they done it on purpose, after all, they have the same aims.....to prevent b**tards ruining your lives lol
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: Feliziano on June 05, 2007, 04:40:58 AM
I jus' Google FPATT to see if the union site up and running yet and the search return the website for the Family Planning Association of Trinidad and Tobago ???!  I real surprised the "original" FPATT not making noise about the use of their acronym.

Anyhow, good luck to the union.  Hopefully it will get the backing it deserves................

Yeah, I saw that. Maybe they done it on purpose, after all, they have the same aims.....to prevent b**tards ruining your lives lol
TTPFA mightve been a better choice..just my view
Kentsoulman & FPATT..allyuh doing good service  :beermug:
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: Brownsugar on June 05, 2007, 05:03:24 AM
Keep up the good work.... :beermug:
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: Sam on June 05, 2007, 06:05:52 AM
Roger Boynes (Minister of Promises).
Title: Re: FPATT targets ethical agents.
Post by: Sam on June 05, 2007, 06:07:58 AM
Lasana un top de ball.

Look how all of a sudden the T&T fans are so badly needed. A year ago none of our players wouldn't even fart on us. Stern John even cuss we.
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: grskywalker on June 05, 2007, 07:19:35 AM
Good evening, forum. I hope you don't mind me posting the occasional note here.

Let me start with a newsflash!! I just got a call from Alison Ayres, an FPATT representative in Trinidad. Minister Boynes met with TTFF reps this morning. He then had a meeting with FPATT members.

This is a major step forward, as, even though the groups were not in the same room, TTFF have officially recognised FPATT.

Also, the fact that there is now dialogue, gives us all hope.

I hope that even if the financial dispute cannot be settled quickly, at least the blacklist could be listed. This is what we all want-to see the best possible Trinidad & Tobago team. It may be too late for the Gold Cup, but World Cup qualification starts in 8 months, so lets hope we see the best of the Warriors take the field alongside the best of the so called baby warriors.

I saw a post on here that said I was attacking Jack Warner. That is not the case per se, I am angry with his lack of respect for what the players are trying to achieve for the benefit of all involved in T&T football. I just think Mr Warner should seperate out the issues, which I know he is capable of as he's a great administrator. His personal feelings should not get in the way of his position as Concacaf president and FIFA vice president.

Can I also just say thank you to all those that have voiced their support for FPATT, when we have been guilty of not providing information quickly enough. It has been incredibly difficult to conduct this launch across two continents , and you have to remmember that none of us have been involved in anything like this before.

Finally, can I say what a great country you have. I spent time on both islands and every single person I met was friendly and supportive. I only wish I had time to get tanned! I can't wait to come back out and lime with you guys. (Boy, am I glad Greenland didn't approach me first!) I really believe in this union and want to take an active part in the development of football in Trinidad & Tobago, and yes, if we can get some money rolling in, of course I would like to be paid for my work. However, it will be the local players who decide what I'm worth, if anything. I'm not here to take money from T&T football, but to add value. I look forward to your comments (I hope you don't all kick my ass in one go!)

I am pleased that you are in the mix to help the players, this was needed for decades and I hope things grow to the point where we are churning out players year after year to join the European leagues!! BIG UP AND MY GRATITUDE FOR YOUR EFFORTS THUS FAR
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: Ponnoxx on June 05, 2007, 07:43:35 AM
I would like you to clear up this whole thing for me...When did players sign contracts for a bonus?
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: Dinner Mints on June 05, 2007, 09:40:50 AM
I would like you to clear up this whole thing for me...When did players sign contracts for a bonus?
A verbal agreement is just as legitimate. It's just more difficult to prove.
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: Mose on June 05, 2007, 10:17:25 AM
I would like you to clear up this whole thing for me...When did players sign contracts for a bonus?
A verbal agreement is just as legitimate. It's just more difficult to prove.
Also, I don't believe anyone has denied the existence of the agreement. It's just a matter of the accounting (how much money was left available for the players bonuses).
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: WestCoast on June 05, 2007, 10:21:02 AM
I would like you to clear up this whole thing for me...When did players sign contracts for a bonus?
A verbal agreement is just as legitimate. It's just more difficult to prove.
Also, I don't believe anyone has denied the existence of the agreement. It's just a matter of the accounting (how much money was left available for the players bonuses).
Even Jack agrees that he offered monies to the Squad, but it is that Microsoft Excel TYPE Spreadsheet that is proving to be the stumbling block, and not an audited report that SHOULD be given to the players Lawyer.
here in Canada even my offsprings softball organisation has to have an audited statement at the end of the year, it is just what a professional organisation should do.
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: Brownsugar on June 05, 2007, 12:09:02 PM
I would like you to clear up this whole thing for me...When did players sign contracts for a bonus?
A verbal agreement is just as legitimate. It's just more difficult to prove.
Also, I don't believe anyone has denied the existence of the agreement. It's just a matter of the accounting (how much money was left available for the players bonuses).
Even Jack agrees that he offered monies to the Squad, but it is that Microsoft Excel TYPE Spreadsheet that is proving to be the stumbling block, and not an audited report that SHOULD be given to the players Lawyer.
here in Canada even my offsprings softball organisation has to have an audited statement at the end of the year, it is just what a professional organisation should do.

All yuh alright to take on Ponnoxx....ssssttteeeeuuuppssss!!!
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: E-man on June 05, 2007, 12:10:43 PM
Here is the TTFF Media release on this topic. At least it admits the blacklist:


MINISTER MEETS WITH PARTIES  
By: TTFF Media

 
Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs, Roger Boynes on Monday met with both the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation and members of the Trinidad and Tobago World Cup Footbal  teamwith a view to finding a speedy resolution to the current football impasse.

Boynes first met with TTFF representatives at around 8:30 yesterday morning, where the issue was discussed, according to reports

He then met with the blacklisted members of the World Cup team at his request, founded upon the basis of his earlier meeting with the TTFF.

The meeting between the Minister and the players took place at 1:30 pm, at the Minister's Abercromby Street office. At the meeting between the players and the Minister, the players once again reiterated their availability and a desire to continue to represent Trinidad and Tobago.

They also stated that they were still baffled about their omission from the Gold Cup squad, because as far as they were informed, there was no existing FIFA law, that prevented them from playing for their country, as a result of their pending legal action against the local federation.

The players also said that up to this point, no legal action has been filed against the TTFF in any court of law.

Boynes is expected to meet again with both parties within the next 48 hours.

 
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: Brownsugar on June 05, 2007, 12:15:20 PM
Ok...good....fine.....

As long as Boynes eh take we tax dollars to play hero.....
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: kentsoulman on June 05, 2007, 06:59:27 PM
BrownSugar, I respect your comment, but I'm interested to know if you would be happy if boynes give some of your tax dollars to FPATT?
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: oconnorg on June 05, 2007, 07:07:08 PM
BrownSugar, I respect your comment, but I'm interested to know if you would be happy if boynes give some of your tax dollars to FPATT?

Interesting ... Wont happen tho... Rather, it should not happen..
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: kentsoulman on June 05, 2007, 07:19:02 PM
BrownSugar, I respect your comment, but I'm interested to know if you would be happy if boynes give some of your tax dollars to FPATT?

Interesting ... Wont happen tho... Rather, it should not happen..

Why do you think it shouldn't happen? Warner can't get his hands on the dollars, and Trinidad desperately needs the football infrastructure developed. The supporters haven't turned out en masse with their money. Only the die hard supporters with vision have given over their bucks so far. How can they build the union without cash? Its not like they just gonna hand the money out to the players. They need office equipmment, employees and training equipment such as footballs, bibs, cones etc.
What is your reasoning behind your comment?
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: oconnorg on June 05, 2007, 07:30:46 PM
BrownSugar, I respect your comment, but I'm interested to know if you would be happy if boynes give some of your tax dollars to FPATT?

Interesting ... Wont happen tho... Rather, it should not happen..

Why do you think it shouldn't happen? Warner can't get his hands on the dollars, and Trinidad desperately needs the football infrastructure developed. The supporters haven't turned out en masse with their money. Only the die hard supporters with vision have given over their bucks so far. How can they build the union without cash? Its not like they just gonna hand the money out to the players. They need office equipmment, employees and training equipment such as footballs, bibs, cones etc.
What is your reasoning behind your comment?

Agreed. Lets seperate the FPATT from the overall football infrastructure tho.. Gov can get involved in providing funding for coaching, training, physical infrastructure. All those things are unbiased and benifits all. However, the gov in my view should not be giving money to FPATT because it cannot be seen as a biased entity. The gov must equal to both the TTFF and FPATT.

Yes FPATT needs money for different things, but that cannot be gov backed. That is why FPATT should be working on corporate sponsorship.
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: weary1969 on June 05, 2007, 07:43:09 PM
If Manning could give Chocolate Allen money for fasting 4 1 week. Well that bein said corporate sponsorship is what is needed remeber corporations doh support nutten until they big like a breadfruit. Them need to ask PSA or one a dem union for a lil space to operate from.
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: oconnorg on June 05, 2007, 07:49:56 PM
If Manning could give Chocolate Allen money for fasting 4 1 week. Well that bein said corporate sponsorship is what is needed remeber corporations doh support nutten until they big like a breadfruit. Them need to ask PSA or one a dem union for a lil space to operate from.

Honestly that to me might be their best bet.. They need to give jennifer and dem a call..
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: kentsoulman on June 05, 2007, 07:50:53 PM
I'm not sure I understand why govt can't be seen to back FPATT. The federation must get funds from FIFA, CONCACAF, ProLeague and a share of gate money and TV and marketing. They have funds for paid employees and also, there are question marks over its managing of finances.

Alternatively, FPATT have no income as yet whatsoever and have no profit making directors. They say they are there for the good of the game. OK, they will never be able to match the income of the English PFA in the community, but then theres 50 million less people in T&T, so less funds are needed.

I would think its a pretty cool move politically, especially as it will be a slap to Jack Warner and Oliver Camps. It will also send a message to the people that this is a govt approved association and will raise the FPATT profile.

If the govt want to invest in its own people, but haven't got the expertise, why not encourage those that have?

Remmember, they probably won't give much, and most of the work will be done by volunteers. It's like helping the people to help themselves. If they commit to funding year on year, it will encourage FPATT to stay above board and meet specified targets.
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: oconnorg on June 05, 2007, 08:03:47 PM
I'm not sure I understand why govt can't be seen to back FPATT. The federation must get funds from FIFA, CONCACAF, ProLeague and a share of gate money and TV and marketing. They have funds for paid employees and also, there are question marks over its managing of finances.

Alternatively, FPATT have no income as yet whatsoever and have no profit making directors. They say they are there for the good of the game. OK, they will never be able to match the income of the English PFA in the community, but then theres 50 million less people in T&T, so less funds are needed.

I would think its a pretty cool move politically, especially as it will be a slap to Jack Warner and Oliver Camps. It will also send a message to the people that this is a govt approved association and will raise the FPATT profile.

If the govt want to invest in its own people, but haven't got the expertise, why not encourage those that have?

Remmember, they probably won't give much, and most of the work will be done by volunteers. It's like helping the people to help themselves. If they commit to funding year on year, it will encourage FPATT to stay above board and meet specified targets.

But the thing is, there not supposed to be no political adgenda's being served. If the Gov financially supports FPATT who is it really benifiting.. ?.. What if UNC wins the elections . Support done..!! What den for FPATT?..

My thinking is that FPATT should try their best to stay "clean". No entity to pull their strings..

The government investing in its own people is one thing... The government investing in a Players Union and TTFF responsible for football is another.  That to me is too much dramma and potential confusion..

At the end of the day, the Federation responsible for development of the Sport and the well being of the players. FPATT is largely responsible for ensuring the rights of the players are being upkept. And with the current foolishness that going on, the gov cannot be seen as partial to any of them. Not to mention they might start a dangerous precident..
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: Socapro on June 05, 2007, 09:34:46 PM
TTPFA mightve been a better choice..just my view
Kentsoulman & FPATT..allyuh doing good service  :beermug:

Yeah I was thinking the same, wonder if is too late to change from FPATT to TTPFA especially so as to avoid any website conflict/mix-up in the future?

To me most folks who would have heard of the English PFA will automatically guess or understand what the TTPFA stand for!!

Bet you the Jamaicans adopt the name JPFA when they manage to form their's as their team will be mainly made up of Reggae-Britts anyway!! 
Ask BM if yuh doh believe meh!! ;)
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: WestCoast on June 06, 2007, 02:55:58 AM
But the thing is, there not supposed to be no political adgenda's being served. If the Gov financially supports FPATT who is it really benifiting.. ?.. What if UNC wins the elections . Support done..!! What den for FPATT?..
My thinking is that FPATT should try their best to stay "clean". No entity to pull their strings..

You.Ent.See. dat would be the death of FPATT...when Jack and he party get elected.
Maybe KentSoulMan does not realise that Jack Runs  ;) the UNC Party and when they get elected, is ole mas in TnT Football, mark my words.
and another story would develop as they would give endless money to the Special Advisor TTFF ;)
It is very strange that FIFA does not allow Governments to get involved with Football Associations, YET one of FIFA VP's can be Heavily involved in politics.
Do as FIFA says not as FIFA does.
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: kentsoulman on June 06, 2007, 04:01:58 AM
But the thing is, there not supposed to be no political adgenda's being served. If the Gov financially supports FPATT who is it really benifiting.. ?.. What if UNC wins the elections . Support done..!! What den for FPATT?..
My thinking is that FPATT should try their best to stay "clean". No entity to pull their strings..

You. Ent. See. dat would be the death of FPATT...when Jack and he party get elected.
Maybe KentSoulMan does not realise that Jack Runs the UNC Party and when they get elected, is ole mas in TnT Football, mark my words.
and another story would develop as they would give endless money to the Special Advisor TTFF ;)
It is very strange that FIFA does not allow Governments to get involved with Football Associations, YET one of FIFA VP's can be Heavily involved in politics.
Do as FIFA says not as FIFA does.

That has been my point all along. Jack ie EITHER a politician or a football administrator. Ok, people work on obtaining political clout, sometimes its necessary to have support in high places, but Jack is openly active. He would never be prime minister, coz thats not his style. He wants power without accountability. He is a puppetmaster. We know he's more powerful than Blatter, coz he keeps him in place. Blatter jumps when Jack tells him and takes the fall when things go wrong. Same as Camps. Camps is getting the official pressure over the blacklisting, Jack just steps in when it helps his profile. Same with UNC.

I am sure that questions will begin to be asked soon. No one outside T&T is aware of the real situation. However, once FPATT is fully established, they can ask questions via FIFPro.

If the govt provide some money for FPATT, hopefully Jack will make a fuss. Don't forget, FPATT has nothing to do with FIFA. FPATT can be as political as they want and FIFA can do nothing. But if Jack kicks out officially, his involvement with UNC will be exposed and that will be a major issue with FIFA reps.

I don't think FPATT will let govt "buy" control. They'll take money if it is offered, but will not be tied to any conditions, other than agreeing programmes it can be spent on.
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: WestCoast on June 06, 2007, 04:54:08 AM
I am sure that questions will begin to be asked soon. No one outside T&T is aware of the real situation. However, once FPATT is fully established, they can ask questions via FIFPro.
Do you know if FIFPro has any contacts in the general media who could ask Mr Warner some pertinent questions during the Gold Cup?
We have to catch this guy making some outrageous comment so that the rest of the FIFA world will have to wake up to his dealings.
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: fishs on June 06, 2007, 06:17:26 AM

 Is FPATT a formally registered union under the laws of T&T ?

 Is it registered as a charitable org ?
 
 Is it registered as a business ?

  How they recieving money ?

 How they could legally operate if not thru the above ?

 Do they have any locus standii to negotiate for players ?

 If not, would not Boynes' intervention be pure politiking ?

Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on June 06, 2007, 07:45:05 AM
I am sure that questions will begin to be asked soon. No one outside T&T is aware of the real situation. However, once FPATT is fully established, they can ask questions via FIFPro.
Do you know if FIFPro has any contacts in the general media who could ask Mr Warner some pertinent questions during the Gold Cup?
We have to catch this guy making some outrageous comment so that the rest of the FIFA world will have to wake up to his dealings.

Funny you should say that! I have already emailed the chairman of the US players union asking that question are explaining the whole blacklist situation. I think its the ideal oppertunity for the global press to put Jack on the spot.
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on June 06, 2007, 08:09:17 AM

 Is FPATT a formally registered union under the laws of T&T ?

 Is it registered as a charitable org ?
 
 Is it registered as a business ?

  How they recieving money ?

 How they could legally operate if not thru the above ?

 Do they have any locus standii to negotiate for players ?

 If not, would not Boynes' intervention be pure politiking ?



As I understand it, FPATT was registered 2 or 3 years ago as a union. There is a constitution in place with a democratically appointed board.
Don't think it is registered as a charity yet.
They are not receiving money as yet!! There are some sponsorship and business partner deals being finalised. Other than that, income has been from the fundays.
I have no idea what  locus standii means.

If you have legal/ business law  knowledge, then can you volunteer to assist us. Don't forget, we are not business experts or company lawyers. We have legal advisers, but everybody is helping voluntarily.
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: dreamer on June 06, 2007, 06:40:42 PM

......I have already emailed the chairman of the US players union asking that question are explaining the whole blacklist situation. I think its the ideal oppertunity for the global press to put Jack on the spot.


 :applause: :applause: :challenge: :praying: :waiting: :whip:
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: fishs on June 07, 2007, 01:59:37 AM

 Is FPATT a formally registered union under the laws of T&T ?

 Is it registered as a charitable org ?
 
 Is it registered as a business ?

  How they recieving money ?

 How they could legally operate if not thru the above ?

 Do they have any locus standii to negotiate for players ?

 If not, would not Boynes' intervention be pure politiking ?



As I understand it, FPATT was registered 2 or 3 years ago as a union. There is a constitution in place with a democratically appointed board.
Don't think it is registered as a charity yet.
They are not receiving money as yet!! There are some sponsorship and business partner deals being finalised. Other than that, income has been from the fundays.
I have no idea what  locus standii means.

If you have legal/ business law  knowledge, then can you volunteer to assist us. Don't forget, we are not business experts or company lawyers. We have legal advisers, but everybody is helping voluntarily.

Thanks for the info FPATT, so this is the continuation of old man Hislop had set up ?
Nah I ent a legal person but there is a young legal intern that I look to for....
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on June 07, 2007, 05:01:26 AM
Yeah, I think George was involved initially, and is still advising FPATT. However, FPATT have a team of legal personnel advising on constitution, contracts etc.

You must remmember that at this stage we are relying on the good will of volunteers, but we believe we have some excellent assistance.
Title: Re: Minister Boynes meets TTFF, then FPATT
Post by: oconnorg on June 07, 2007, 05:02:41 AM
Yeah, I think George was involved initially, and is still advising FPATT. However, FPATT have a team of legal personnel advising on constitution, contracts etc.

You must remmember that at this stage we are relying on the good will of volunteers, but we believe we have some excellent assistance.

Allyuh safe mon
Title: FPATT.org coming soon
Post by: E-man on June 14, 2007, 12:14:56 PM
(http://fpatt.org/logo42.jpg) (http://fpatt.org/)
Title: Re: FPATT.org coming soon
Post by: Babalawo on June 14, 2007, 05:47:11 PM
eman how u does find thing before anyone. like u is a spy or what
Title: Re: FPATT.org coming soon
Post by: Kingk on June 14, 2007, 05:51:43 PM
nice liking the logo too
Title: Re: FPATT.org coming soon
Post by: weary1969 on June 14, 2007, 07:51:34 PM
I hope dey know to talk to Flex and Tallman so we can go straight to dem from this and the WN site
Title: Re: FPATT.org coming soon
Post by: E-man on June 14, 2007, 08:30:38 PM
I hope dey know to talk to Flex and Tallman so we can go straight to dem from this and the WN site

Tallman is the one who registered the domain for them.
Title: Re: FPATT.org coming soon
Post by: dreamer on June 16, 2007, 07:20:27 PM
Once again E-man  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: FPATT.org coming soon
Post by: weary1969 on June 16, 2007, 09:44:35 PM
Thanks eman the e for everywhere and everything. We really need to thank ewife for ketchin u we all benefitting
Title: Liburd: Gloves Off - Shaka relishes FPATT role.
Post by: E-man on June 21, 2007, 10:26:23 PM
Shaka relishes FPATT role.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).


Gloves off.

FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) special adviser Jack Warner must have needed a minute to gather himself after perusing his e-mail on Sunday afternoon.
One letter in particular, penned by former national goalkeeper and newly-installed interim president of the Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT), Shaka Hislop, might have winded Warner.
Archie Moore, a former world light heavyweight boxing champion, once said a boxer is never floored by a punch that he sees hit him. He knows when he will be hurt and, in most cases, can absorb the pain. It is the pain that the boxer is unprepared to handle which humiliates him.
Hislop, whose 15-year professional goalkeeping career seemed built on placid rather than provocative statements, can clearly launch an attack as quickly as he quells another.
"Your latest slanderous attack, though, has prompted me to write in defence of the characters of the most successful team in our nation's history," stated Hislop, in response to Warner's assertion that the 2006 World Cup squad comprised a gang of greedy mercenaries.
"You have continually proven yourself heavily biased and opinionated in this matter when in truth, in your capacity as CONCACAF president, you should be the one to advise on the impasse."
Warner, who silences politicians and administrators by his mere presence, being lectured on his duties by a footballer? The Caribbean's foremost sporting administrator is yet to issue a response.
For Hislop, it was a moving start to his term as union head and he insisted he was ready for the challenge.
"I think it is something I always felt I would do," said the Dallas FC goalkeeper. "I only had to be careful about the timing of it because I always felt the roles of player and administrator should be kept separate.
"I think I bring to the table a reputation at international level that will stand us in good stead. People know what I stand for."
Hislop spent most of his adult life in the English leagues, where he campaigned for Reading, Newcastle United, West Ham and Portsmouth, and earned a sizeable fan base for his athleticism and composure between the uprights. But he is equally revered for his work off the pitch.
While at Newcastle, he co-founded an anti-racism movement called "Show Racism The Red Card" which now operates throughout Europe, while his professional counterparts granted him the English Professional Footballers Association (PFA) Special Merit Award in 2005. He is the first non-British player since Brazilian legend, Pele, to be so honoured.
Hislop has already forged relationships with England PFA boss, Gordon Taylor, and Major League Soccer (MLS) Players Union executive director, Bob Foose, which he feels should benefit Trinidad and Tobago during his tenure.
Hislop still lives in Dallas, where he is employed as player and goalkeeping coach by the MLS club. His contract expires in late 2007 although he does not feel that FPATT will suffer for his physical absence in the short term.
"Thanks to modern technology," he told the Express, "it is not as difficult (to stay on top of things from a distance) as it was with e-mail and Blackberry and cell phones.
"My phone bill is going to be high and I will have to spend a lot of time on the computer, which is difficult for me because I am married with four daughters and have a fifth child coming any day now.
"Family has always been a big part of my life but I have always been very passionate about giving something back to Trinidad and Tobago and am really enjoying this."
Perhaps unsurprisingly, Hislop anticipated conflict with the controversial Warner.
The player and administrator got off to a false start in 1994 when Warner asked FIFA to ban the goalkeeper when he declined the invitation for a friendly international because it interfered with his duties for Reading.
Hislop, who was born in London but grew up in Trinidad, was allowed to resume his club career by virtue of his British passport and even accepted an English B' team call-up before he softened his stance towards the T&TFF and joined the national team in 1999.
He went on to win 24 caps for Trinidad and Tobago, five as team captain, which culminated in his appearance at the 2006 World Cup tournament. Last July, Hislop was among Warner's guests at the World Cup final in Berlin as a tribute to the goalkeeper's heroics in the country's historic opening draw against Sweden.
Hislop recalled a funny, animated discussion with Warner in November 2005 on the chartered flight from Bahrain after the Soca Warriors had booked their maiden World Cup voyage.
"We (players, administrators and fans) were having a few celebratory drinks and stumbling around the plane," he said. "I remember telling Warner 'thank you for everything you have done for us in helping get Trinidad and Tobago to the World Cup final'.
"But I also told him that I am sure we will lock horns in the future and, when we do, it will be business and nothing personal."
Perhaps Warner might have remembered those words too last weekend.
At present, FPATT is on a recruiting drive through the local leagues and has begun approaching companies for sponsorship deals and for advice on matters ranging from pension schemes, mortgages and health care.
"I had advice on all of those things throughout my career," said Hislop. "But it is a luxury not afforded to players in Trinidad and Tobago. I want our players to be able to concentrate solely on football whenever they walk past that white line and not have to worry about things like that."
"I have been a professional player for the past 15 years and I feel I have a fair grip of the wants and needs of players. At FPATT, we have surrounded ourselves with people who know what it takes to be leaders and have a real passion for the local game."
FPATT has declared itself to be pre-occupied with the empowerment of local players. It is a vision that Hislop clearly believes is worth fighting for.
Title: Re: Liburd: Gloves Off - Shaka relishes FPATT role
Post by: WestCoast on June 22, 2007, 02:55:19 AM
""I had advice on all of those things throughout my career," said Hislop. "But it is a luxury not afforded to players in Trinidad and Tobago. I want our players to be able to concentrate solely on football whenever they walk past that white line and not have to worry about things like that.""
 :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
Great work Mr Hislop.
I wish you and your organisation FPATT all the best.
it has been a long time coming and I hope you are able to get ALL players in TnT to sign on.
Title: Re: Liburd: Gloves Off - Shaka relishes FPATT role.
Post by: Arimaman on June 22, 2007, 06:18:50 AM
I support Shaka all the way.  However his disdain for Jack Warner goes a long way back.  If anybody can remember, Shaka's father George Hislop tried to start another association when the TTFF was TTFA.  Tallman, I believe you will remember this.  For a long time the Hislop family was persona non grata.

Does anyone remember this?  it was in the 80s I believe.
Title: Re: Liburd: Gloves Off - Shaka relishes FPATT role.
Post by: Sando on June 22, 2007, 06:59:20 AM
I support Shaka all the way.  However his disdain for Jack Warner goes a long way back.  If anybody can remember, Shaka's father George Hislop tried to start another association when the TTFF was TTFA.  Tallman, I believe you will remember this.  For a long time the Hislop family was persona non grata.

Does anyone remember this?  it was in the 80s I believe.

I remembered. But now they dealing with a smarter and stronger Hislop....  :devil:
Title: Re: Liburd: Gloves Off - Shaka relishes FPATT role.
Post by: Star Child on June 22, 2007, 07:31:25 AM
I strongly believe Mr. Flex Mohammed should play some part of FPATT. We need people with professional attitudes and honest workers. Men that will make things happen and at the same time listen to constructive ideas.
Title: Re: Liburd: Gloves Off - Shaka relishes FPATT role.
Post by: zuluwarrior on June 22, 2007, 07:49:44 AM
Get up stand up stand op for our rights , dont give op the fight .FPATT iz here to stay and jack yuh hav to deal wid it. say after me jack HAVE TO DEAL WID IT.
Title: Re: Liburd: Gloves Off - Shaka relishes FPATT role.
Post by: weary1969 on June 22, 2007, 11:17:26 AM
Jack eh fightin clean so take off gloves kick box, wrestle if u have to.
Title: FPATT Thread
Post by: Football supporter on July 23, 2007, 04:00:37 PM
Fundraising for FPATT

FPATT have several initiatives they wish to run including coaching for youngsters, benevolent fund to assist ex players and also players such as Cornell who aren't paid while injured, football in the community schemes to encourage young people to attend and take interest in pro league matches and education programmes for players reaching the end of their careers.

We know that in 3 years from now we will have solid income streams, but at this stage we are desperately short of funds. At this time we have no paid staff and those involved have used their own money to pay phone bills, air fares etc.

In order to progress, we need to raise funds. The only fundraising event so far has been in London.

We need assistance in raising funds and I wondered if anyone on this site has the drive and motivation to help. Can you help to arrange a fundraising event for FPATT?

The poll should give us an idea if the hard core supporters would be prepared to donate.

Personally, I'm in favour of collection boxes for people to just throw their change into, as I believe people don't begrudge giving up a few coins, and will do this regularly.

We appreciate your assistance and comments. If you're interested in helping, please PM me.

Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: morvant on July 23, 2007, 04:19:58 PM
trow ah fete

bar-b-q / sweat / family day

auction allyuh juzzy's

auction off ah chance to come and see allyuh play live at the club


Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 23, 2007, 04:30:44 PM
Morvant, these are precisely the kind of things we wat to do..........however, most of us are either in the UK or USA. This needs to be done in Trinidad & Tobago.  We have some excellent people onboard, but they are not fundraisers. Sure, they may be able to put on an event, but it probably won't raise much money.

To arrange a fete, we need somene who can get a free venue, do a deal with Carib or a wholesaler, get good bands and DJs to play, organise free advertising on radio and in press, obtain sponsors for the event, arrange security and then get several thousand people there.

I have arranged similar events in the past, and the key to success is delegation. If you have good people who can take on particular tasks, the job is easy.But I can't do it from here.  I raised $52,000 TT on my own. I'm sure you guys can do better. I will be doing more in London, but we need to get some action going in Trini.

Any offers??
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: trinbago on July 23, 2007, 05:54:51 PM
I would suggest a couple otions above for example I chose an internet donation but would also buy FPATT clothing...

Another GREAT way to raise money is every month you auction off a signed T-shirt, football jersey, football hat, tugs, shorts, towel, ball, shin pads....something, anything !!...but something authentic on this website...signed and/or used by the players themselves on WN or SW.net.

Everyone on this site will be more than happy to buy the boots Stern score his 100th goal wiith, or the ball that got us to Germany, or Latas shirt that he made his appearance on the World Stage or (some might want Yorkie's jock strap...call the name and ah go  :whistling:)....but I see that as a major source of revenue as well as bringing everyone together and closer to the players and the oppurtunity for the youngins to learn about our history and the players that got us here....who knows years to come someone might be holding a piece of memorabilia that is worth a lot of money!
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: zuluwarrior on July 23, 2007, 06:31:02 PM
Funny i ask that question recently and every body stay quiet, ah thought that man here had big money  and when  FPATT need funds dey go come up wid it  , i feel we could try ah boat ride or geh ah back yard alyuh know trini like to party  get the radio station to advertise anything FPATT doing ah supporting that.Alyuh hurry summer iz short.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: zuluwarrior on July 23, 2007, 06:40:48 PM
What about if supporterz in NY get together and do something same in CANADA , TRINBAGO, and where  ever else alyuh iz ?
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 23, 2007, 06:54:22 PM
What about if supporterz in NY get together and do something same in CANADA , TRINBAGO, and where  ever else alyuh iz ?

Thats what we need Zulu. It doesn't matter if you only raise $100 TT. FPATT can only get stronger by providing benefits to players and the community, and without a strong players union, football in Trinidad is going to continue to be run by the same people as now.   

Any events being organised will be supported in some form by FPATT, and wherever possible we will try to get players involved.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: JERSEY TRINI on July 23, 2007, 07:40:16 PM
I suggest that the moderaters( Tallman,Flex) set up a account online so the forumites could donate a $5 to the FPATT.  The forum numbers looking real big right now and if half that number donate at least a $5 then that would be a big boost to the cause especially considering that most of that number probably live in the US,Canada or UK.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: weary1969 on July 23, 2007, 09:51:48 PM
I vote 4 the fund raisig match but I go donate in d bank as well
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: trinbago on July 23, 2007, 10:25:18 PM
What is the purpose of electing regional leaders for Warrior Nation....I would think it is for situations like these...step up to the plate BOD and elected members and represent your region....the North East, the Canada Crew , West Coast regional heads where allyuh...AH CALLIN ALLYUH OUT !!unless yuh just taking up space or trying to look official on the board do something nah !
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: elan on July 23, 2007, 11:36:23 PM
I won't mind a lime but is different ppl in different places. So I will settle for an internet donation.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: davidephraim on July 24, 2007, 12:49:10 AM
I won't mind a lime but is different ppl in different places. So I will settle for an internet donation.

likewise.. :) :)
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Bakes on July 24, 2007, 10:21:37 AM
FPATT have several initiatives they wish to run including coaching for youngsters, benevolent fund to assist ex players and also players such as Cornell who aren't paid while injured, football in the community schemes to encourage young people to attend and take interest in pro league matches and education programmes for players reaching the end of their careers.

We know that in 3 years from now we will have solid income streams, but at this stage we are desperately short of funds. At this time we have no paid staff and those involved have used their own money to pay phone bills, air fares etc.

In order to progress, we need to raise funds. The only fundraising event so far has been in London.

We need assistance in raising funds and I wondered if anyone on this site has the drive and motivation to help. Can you help to arrange a fundraising event for FPATT?

The poll should give us an idea if the hard core supporters would be prepared to donate.

Personally, I'm in favour of collection boxes for people to just throw their change into, as I believe people don't begrudge giving up a few coins, and will do this regularly.

We appreciate your assistance and comments. If you're interested in helping, please PM me.

Personally...that kind of thing should come from member dues.  FPATT is conceived as being a union for professional football players, therefore it should similarly be constructed and professionally run, with someone in charge of overseeing investment of membership dues etc.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Bakes on July 24, 2007, 10:23:23 AM
Morvant, these are precisely the kind of things we wat to do..........however, most of us are either in the UK or USA. This needs to be done in Trinidad & Tobago.  We have some excellent people onboard, but they are not fundraisers. Sure, they may be able to put on an event, but it probably won't raise much money.

To arrange a fete, we need somene who can get a free venue, do a deal with Carib or a wholesaler, get good bands and DJs to play, organise free advertising on radio and in press, obtain sponsors for the event, arrange security and then get several thousand people there.

I have arranged similar events in the past, and the key to success is delegation. If you have good people who can take on particular tasks, the job is easy.But I can't do it from here.  I raised $52,000 TT on my own. I'm sure you guys can do better. I will be doing more in London, but we need to get some action going in Trini.

Any offers??

Have the players put their muscle behind this...fund-raising shouldn't be passed off onto the fans, let the players get involve and lend their names to the event/ (have three...N. America, UK and TnT) have them reach out to sponsors directly. It benefits them, not us.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Bakes on July 24, 2007, 10:24:38 AM

Another GREAT way to raise money is every month you auction off a signed T-shirt, football jersey, football hat, tugs, shorts, towel, ball, shin pads....something, anything !!...but something authentic on this website...signed and/or used by the players themselves on WN or SW.net.

...have them also reach out to their footballing counterparts from other nations/clubs to donate autographed items for auction.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Bakes on July 24, 2007, 10:26:11 AM
What is the purpose of electing regional leaders for Warrior Nation....I would think it is for situations like these...step up to the plate BOD and elected members and represent your region....the North East, the Canada Crew , West Coast regional heads where allyuh...AH CALLIN ALLYUH OUT !!unless yuh just taking up space or trying to look official on the board do something nah !
I dunno why you seem to think it's the fans' responsibility to raise money for the players.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: dcs on July 24, 2007, 01:06:41 PM
Just in general we won't really be conducting WN business on the forum because it has been inefficient in the past.  Things go on behind the scenes and our communication with fans/members come in different ways...sometimes it will be here...most other times in the future it would be the WN Forum (http://www.thewarriornation.com/component/option,com_fireboard/Itemid,3/) but right now it comes primarily through the newsletters and email.

There is such a high volume here things get buried pretty quick and it is hard to discuss details in this setting.

Anyway....we had already contacted Mr. Harrison soon after we saw his post.  And just to illustrate....I don't think any of the regional reps from NY read here that regularly...they all new (and very talented) and getting in touch with them the fastest would be through the contact form (http://www.thewarriornation.com/component/option,com_contact/catid,53/Itemid,3/) or even the WN Forum (http://www.thewarriornation.com/component/option,com_fireboard/Itemid,3/).  Right now they are in the planning stages along with the Canada crew for upcoming events.  They've had meetings already but the minutes are not up yet.

Always welcome a lil interest and kick start so trinbago's anxiousness is good in the grand scheme of things  :beermug:
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: just cool on July 24, 2007, 04:05:12 PM
Bake and shark , i understand yuh bredder and you're right, it's not the responsibility of the fans, however if the fans want to contribute to the cause , then let them. i for one think it's an idea worth looking into and i would probably sugest a pledge from all the willing forumites of $50 , that should be a good start. lets put our money where our heart is. talking you're a proud worrior is good , but showing it is much better.                              positive.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 24, 2007, 05:41:33 PM
What is the purpose of electing regional leaders for Warrior Nation....I would think it is for situations like these...step up to the plate BOD and elected members and represent your region....the North East, the Canada Crew , West Coast regional heads where allyuh...AH CALLIN ALLYUH OUT !!unless yuh just taking up space or trying to look official on the board do something nah !
I dunno why you seem to think it's the fans' responsibility to raise money for the players.

Bakes, this was the question I was expecting, but I didn't think it would come from you!

Let me give you a scenario.

Take 200 employees from any business in any country. Sit them in a room and tell them how global warming is killing  the planet. (Stay with me, here)

Every one of the 200 is in favour of taking action.

They all agree its terrible, but what can we do?

We say we're gonna march to parliament on saturday.

Suddenly eveyones too busy on saturday. They have to go shopping, they're decorating the house etc

Only 50 people say they can turn up to the march.

On saturday, 20 people turn up, but 10 can only stay for an hour.

Of the 10 remaining, maybe 7 are going to turn up next time.

This is a hypothetical scenario, but if you're  honest, you know this is what would happen. About globalwarming. Their childrens future.

Now take 200 ProLeague footballers. How many do you really expect to help FPATT?

There are approx 3,000 professional footballers in England and Wales. They getfree boots. They get free medical cover, they get free insurance, they get free legal advice, they get a heavily subsidised pension.

When I visit a club at training and ask for the players to stay behind for 10 minutes, I'm lucky if I get 6 to stay behind.

Footballers are no different than any other group of workers. Some care, some only care about themselves. Some are smart, some aren't. Some look to the future, some have trouble thinking about today.

The footballers are only in our lives for 10 or 15 years. They are transient passengers on our train. Football belongs to us. Football earns footballers money, but it costs supporters. Not for ten years, but for life. We do it because we love it, and the only reward we expect is committment and entertainment.

FPATT is the only organisation on the horizon to offer the chance of change in T&T football. Yes, its primarily for the players, but its also about the development of the game. Your game. If there is another organisation that backs football in T&T, then donate to them. But I don't see one.

FPATT was formed by a minority of players, all of whom live overseas. These players have invested their own timeand money to make FPATT a reality.

All I am asking is that you, the true football supporters invest in your future. There simply isn't enough of us yet to raise the required funds.

The members (players based in Trinidad &Tobago) do not have vast incomes and therefore, if we charged them subs, they would have to be minimal. Once we can begin to offer a range of benefits, then we can charge subs. Our first priority is to get all players to join, so at least we can challenge TTFF on behalf of the players.

Its a long and frustrating process, but its worth the effort. If together we can change the system in T&T, at least we can feel we've achieved something.

This poll was implemented so we can gauge the feelings of supporters. By asking your opinions, we can better decide which route to take.

As with the global warming scenario, some of you will just talk, some will make a token effort and some will get involved and really help. Whichever category you fall into, you have a right to voice your opinion, and FPATT will take note.

When was the last time TTFF, Warner, CONCACAF or FIFA asked for your opinion?
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: morvant on July 24, 2007, 06:21:05 PM
let me tell you mr Fpatt why supporters are so reluctant

the gap between the players and supporters is too big.

look how long we begging for a Q&A in a chatroom with a player

everytime flex interview ah man he say he does be on this site but doh post why???

i thing iz big boy syndrome.

sorry but thats my feelings until they say otherwise. 

and we feel if we donate (as TT does say) transparency is all we ask for

what this money for?

doh cuss meh ah just asking
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 24, 2007, 06:22:52 PM
And just to illustrate my point......269 views and 24 votes!

I even included the option "would not donate" and 90% of viewers still didn't vote! (Ok, I know some people have viewed more than once, but its still proves the point)
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 24, 2007, 06:48:01 PM
let me tell you mr Fpatt why supporters are so reluctant

the gap between the players and supporters is too big.

look how long we begging for a Q&A in a chatroom with a player

everytime flex interview ah man he say he does be on this site but doh post why???

i thing iz big boy syndrome.

sorry but thats my feelings until they say otherwise. 

and we feel if we donate (as TT does say) transparency is all we ask for

what this money for?

doh cuss meh ah just asking

Morvant, I'm not going to cuss you...your questions are fair.

The money is, as I mentioned before, to put towards several projects. However, If it is preferred, the money raised from this site could be directed at a chosen project. Probably the football in the community programme.

This will be aimed at the poorer regions of Trinidad & Tobago. We'd like to encourage youngsters to become more interested in ProLeague football. This is because we feel that attendances need to be increased at matches. This develops affinities to clubs and brings more money into the game. This can be used in attract more foreignstares, which in turn brings in more revenue to develop local talent.

This is one of the ways the English PFA helped turn around the image of English football and attendances went from a post war low to a post war high over a 15 year period. Of course, the downside to having the worlds top league is that its harder to develop home grown talent, however, I don't see T&T progressing quite that far.

Initially, we would arrange regular coaching sessions for children in conjunction with the local ProLeague team. We'd get players to attend, give stadium tours and discounted match tickets. We also wish tocompile a free dvd featuring the worlds best footballers, but every other clip would be of T&T players, such as Spanns gold cup goal, Kelvins spectacular save vs Bahrain, Tallsts qualyfying goal etc, with the aim of showing that T&T can be up there with the best. You can't go and watch Beckham, Pele or Maradonna, but you can see Spann play for T&T.

As for your other comments, we've had Sancho, Jack, Shaka, Marvin over the last few months. As for the others? Maybe you will see them in the coming months.

I think they're probably right not to post on here. After all, it is a supporters site. Interviews are sufficient in my opinion.

As for big boy syndrome, well maybe you are right in some cases. But as to my original comments, some care, some only care about themselves. You just need to decide which is which. Ask yourself which players are in a position to do more.

As for transparency, I try to keep you as up to date as possible. However, there are times when I cannot give details because of legal or strategic reasons . This is a public site and there are people who read this who do not have our best interests at heart, but whatever I can release will be put here.

If you are interested in ensuring FPATT is run correctly, you are welcome to assist us and there may be an option of assisting with the steering committee.   
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: trinbago on July 24, 2007, 06:51:13 PM
What is the purpose of electing regional leaders for Warrior Nation....I would think it is for situations like these...step up to the plate BOD and elected members and represent your region....the North East, the Canada Crew , West Coast regional heads where allyuh...AH CALLIN ALLYUH OUT !!unless yuh just taking up space or trying to look official on the board do something nah !
I dunno why you seem to think it's the fans' responsibility to raise money for the players.

Bakes, this was the question I was expecting, but I didn't think it would come from you!

Let me give you a scenario.

Take 200 employees from any business in any country. Sit them in a room and tell them how global warming is killing  the planet. (Stay with me, here)

Every one of the 200 is in favour of taking action.

They all agree its terrible, but what can we do?

We say we're gonna march to parliament on saturday.

Suddenly eveyones too busy on saturday. They have to go shopping, they're decorating the house etc

Only 50 people say they can turn up to the march.

On saturday, 20 people turn up, but 10 can only stay for an hour.

Of the 10 remaining, maybe 7 are going to turn up next time.

This is a hypothetical scenario, but if you're  honest, you know this is what would happen. About globalwarming. Their childrens future.

Now take 200 ProLeague footballers. How many do you really expect to help FPATT?

There are approx 3,000 professional footballers in England and Wales. They getfree boots. They get free medical cover, they get free insurance, they get free legal advice, they get a heavily subsidised pension.

When I visit a club at training and ask for the players to stay behind for 10 minutes, I'm lucky if I get 6 to stay behind.

Footballers are no different than any other group of workers. Some care, some only care about themselves. Some are smart, some aren't. Some look to the future, some have trouble thinking about today.

The footballers are only in our lives for 10 or 15 years. They are transient passengers on our train. Football belongs to us. Football earns footballers money, but it costs supporters. Not for ten years, but for life. We do it because we love it, and the only reward we expect is committment and entertainment.

FPATT is the only organisation on the horizon to offer the chance of change in T&T football. Yes, its primarily for the players, but its also about the development of the game. Your game. If there is another organisation that backs football in T&T, then donate to them. But I don't see one.

FPATT was formed by a minority of players, all of whom live overseas. These players have invested their own timeand money to make FPATT a reality.

All I am asking is that you, the true football supporters invest in your future. There simply isn't enough of us yet to raise the required funds.

The members (players based in Trinidad &Tobago) do not have vast incomes and therefore, if we charged them subs, they would have to be minimal. Once we can begin to offer a range of benefits, then we can charge subs. Our first priority is to get all players to join, so at least we can challenge TTFF on behalf of the players.

Its a long and frustrating process, but its worth the effort. If together we can change the system in T&T, at least we can feel we've achieved something.

This poll was implemented so we can gauge the feelings of supporters. By asking your opinions, we can better decide which route to take.

As with the global warming scenario, some of you will just talk, some will make a token effort and some will get involved and really help. Whichever category you fall into, you have a right to voice your opinion, and FPATT will take note.

When was the last time TTFF, Warner, CONCACAF or FIFA asked for your opinion?

Well said :applause: :applause: Once the fund is set up I will be happy to donate...I assume FPATT is setting up some form of paypal system..

And thank you DCS for your response...good to see action is taking place behind the scenes!
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 24, 2007, 07:12:06 PM
Trinbago, we will see what the outcome of the poll is. There will be a facility on the FPATT website to make donations and purchase items. I was more interested in the general feeling towards donating. There are members of FPATT who feel we should not accept donations.

I do not share that sentiment. If we can't get grants or sponsorship, then money has to come from somewhere. Theres too much to do and the time to sit and wait has gone. There needs to be a strong organisation to counter TTFF & co and this can only come with increased profile and awareness.

Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: morvant on July 24, 2007, 07:41:26 PM
fair with me sounds reasonable
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: weary1969 on July 24, 2007, 10:06:13 PM
FPATT

Trinis not into spending money even 4 what they know is a good cause the vast majority ah peeps here eh even join the WN. So doh expect them to give anyting to FPATT
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Bakes on July 24, 2007, 10:26:28 PM
What is the purpose of electing regional leaders for Warrior Nation....I would think it is for situations like these...step up to the plate BOD and elected members and represent your region....the North East, the Canada Crew , West Coast regional heads where allyuh...AH CALLIN ALLYUH OUT !!unless yuh just taking up space or trying to look official on the board do something nah !
I dunno why you seem to think it's the fans' responsibility to raise money for the players.

Bakes, this was the question I was expecting, but I didn't think it would come from you!

Let me give you a scenario.

Take 200 employees from any business in any country. Sit them in a room and tell them how global warming is killing  the planet. (Stay with me, here)

Every one of the 200 is in favour of taking action.

They all agree its terrible, but what can we do?

We say we're gonna march to parliament on saturday.

Suddenly eveyones too busy on saturday. They have to go shopping, they're decorating the house etc

Only 50 people say they can turn up to the march.

On saturday, 20 people turn up, but 10 can only stay for an hour.

Of the 10 remaining, maybe 7 are going to turn up next time.

This is a hypothetical scenario, but if you're  honest, you know this is what would happen. About globalwarming. Their childrens future.

Now take 200 ProLeague footballers. How many do you really expect to help FPATT?

There are approx 3,000 professional footballers in England and Wales. They getfree boots. They get free medical cover, they get free insurance, they get free legal advice, they get a heavily subsidised pension.

When I visit a club at training and ask for the players to stay behind for 10 minutes, I'm lucky if I get 6 to stay behind.

Footballers are no different than any other group of workers. Some care, some only care about themselves. Some are smart, some aren't. Some look to the future, some have trouble thinking about today.

The footballers are only in our lives for 10 or 15 years. They are transient passengers on our train. Football belongs to us. Football earns footballers money, but it costs supporters. Not for ten years, but for life. We do it because we love it, and the only reward we expect is committment and entertainment.

FPATT is the only organisation on the horizon to offer the chance of change in T&T football. Yes, its primarily for the players, but its also about the development of the game. Your game. If there is another organisation that backs football in T&T, then donate to them. But I don't see one.

FPATT was formed by a minority of players, all of whom live overseas. These players have invested their own timeand money to make FPATT a reality.

All I am asking is that you, the true football supporters invest in your future. There simply isn't enough of us yet to raise the required funds.

The members (players based in Trinidad &Tobago) do not have vast incomes and therefore, if we charged them subs, they would have to be minimal. Once we can begin to offer a range of benefits, then we can charge subs. Our first priority is to get all players to join, so at least we can challenge TTFF on behalf of the players.

Its a long and frustrating process, but its worth the effort. If together we can change the system in T&T, at least we can feel we've achieved something.

This poll was implemented so we can gauge the feelings of supporters. By asking your opinions, we can better decide which route to take.

As with the global warming scenario, some of you will just talk, some will make a token effort and some will get involved and really help. Whichever category you fall into, you have a right to voice your opinion, and FPATT will take note.

When was the last time TTFF, Warner, CONCACAF or FIFA asked for your opinion?

FPATT I dunno why you'd be surprised that the question would come from me...as you get to know me you'll find that friend or foe if I feel there's something to be said then I'll say it.  You should know that I'm fully committed to seeing FPATT get off the ground, however I think I may have misunderstood it's purpose.  FPATT is an organization who's membership is restricted to professional footballers from TnT...the casual fan cannot enjoy the privilege of membership....it is a player's organization and my interpretation of that is that it's a player's "union".  If I misstate or misunderstand please advise.  You state that the goal of the organization is to promote TnT football, and I have no question as to your sincerety.  However, how can the be to promote TnT football, when membership is restricted to just the players, the vast majority of whom you state are largely apathetic to it's goals?  Why limit membership to an indifferent lot?

Mind you, I am not lobbying for opening membership up to the general public.  I believe it is high time for TnT footballers to unite and stand in opposition to the destructive and regressive tactics of the TTFF.  My belief is that when you start talking about promoting the interest and development of TnT football as a mission critical objective of FPATT then you may be attempting to wear too many hats...thewarriornation.com already serves that purpose along with the TTFF...albeit not in unison.  Forgetting the TTFF (because that will only open up a bunch of sidetracking long talk), Warrior Nation does what it can to support TnT football, and footballers...all of them.  I think that the PLAYERS should stand together and seek their own interest...with the tacit support of the fans.  If a man, as a professional cannot see to involve himself in securing his own interest by becoming active in or supportive of FPATT, then FPATT needs not concern himself with such a man.

Again, I am biased in outlook because so much of my reference is the American model...but it is one worthy of emulation.  Players organize, and unionize and bargain on a regular basis with the respective professional leagues, and a Collective Bargaining Agreement which establishes the context for the league-athlete dynamic, or interaction. It is less employer-employee, than a partnership which shares revenue from broadcast rights, income, marketing, sponsorship, merchandizing etc.  FPATT is small and taking baby steps so I don't expect it to get to that level anytime soon, but again, without the players FPATT is nothing.  Fans can be as supportive as they want and all we'll have is Warrior Nation called by another name and I see no need for redundancy...the wheel has not only already been invented,but set in motion as well.  Let me just say that other than being a dues-paying member of WN, I am not affiliated with the management of the organization, and my views are my own.

I think FPATT needs to decide as clearly and concisely as possible what it's mission is.  If it is to serve as a unified advocacy body for the professional players, then fundraisers etc. aren't necessarily a bad idea, but FPATT should have a body of benefits to offer it's membership, and in essence you're asking fans to provide, fund and underwrite this, when in reality the players are the ones who should actively be seeking their own interests.  Even if you have to charge a prorated membership fee, adjusted for salaries then so be it, but if professional footballers are the beneficiaries, then professional footballers should seed the investment...after all, it's an investment in themselves.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Bakes on July 24, 2007, 10:32:35 PM
let me tell you mr Fpatt why supporters are so reluctant

the gap between the players and supporters is too big.

look how long we begging for a Q&A in a chatroom with a player

everytime flex interview ah man he say he does be on this site but doh post why???

i thing iz big boy syndrome.

sorry but thats my feelings until they say otherwise. 

and we feel if we donate (as TT does say) transparency is all we ask for

what this money for?

doh cuss meh ah just asking

Morvant, I'm not going to cuss you...your questions are fair.

The money is, as I mentioned before, to put towards several projects. However, If it is preferred, the money raised from this site could be directed at a chosen project. Probably the football in the community programme.

This will be aimed at the poorer regions of Trinidad & Tobago. We'd like to encourage youngsters to become more interested in ProLeague football. This is because we feel that attendances need to be increased at matches. This develops affinities to clubs and brings more money into the game. This can be used in attract more foreignstares, which in turn brings in more revenue to develop local talent.

This is one of the ways the English PFA helped turn around the image of English football and attendances went from a post war low to a post war high over a 15 year period. Of course, the downside to having the worlds top league is that its harder to develop home grown talent, however, I don't see T&T progressing quite that far.

Initially, we would arrange regular coaching sessions for children in conjunction with the local ProLeague team. We'd get players to attend, give stadium tours and discounted match tickets. We also wish tocompile a free dvd featuring the worlds best footballers, but every other clip would be of T&T players, such as Spanns gold cup goal, Kelvins spectacular save vs Bahrain, Tallsts qualyfying goal etc, with the aim of showing that T&T can be up there with the best. You can't go and watch Beckham, Pele or Maradonna, but you can see Spann play for T&T.

As for your other comments, we've had Sancho, Jack, Shaka, Marvin over the last few months. As for the others? Maybe you will see them in the coming months.

I think they're probably right not to post on here. After all, it is a supporters site. Interviews are sufficient in my opinion.

As for big boy syndrome, well maybe you are right in some cases. But as to my original comments, some care, some only care about themselves. You just need to decide which is which. Ask yourself which players are in a position to do more.

As for transparency, I try to keep you as up to date as possible. However, there are times when I cannot give details because of legal or strategic reasons . This is a public site and there are people who read this who do not have our best interests at heart, but whatever I can release will be put here.

If you are interested in ensuring FPATT is run correctly, you are welcome to assist us and there may be an option of assisting with the steering committee.   
See... this here to me is very noble, but I honestly feel that FPATT might be biting off more than it can chew given that it's in it's infancy.  It wasn't solicited, but I'll offer it anyways.  I think FPATT should focus whatever scant resources are available on marshalling the support of and unionizing the professional footballers.  The focus should be on growing in strenght and elevating the presence of the organization, as the ONE unified voice of TnT footballers everywhere, starting with National Team members.  Community outreach and social activism can come later on...there are already ad hoc pockets in place where the very thing you aspire to achieve is being done on the community level.  There is however, no unified players voice, and that to me is what is most critical in the fight against the tyranny presented by the TTFF.

Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 25, 2007, 01:43:03 AM
Bakes, a lot of what you have said is accurate.
FPATT is a players union, and its first aim is to provide advice and support to players.

However, once recognised by the authorities and supporters, FPATT will have a unique opportunity to influence football in T&T.

As in the MLS & EPL, the union and the authorities should eventually work in tandem. Unlike in the USA and England, this won't happen in T&T until the TTFF either grow up or a change of personnel takes place. In the meantime, FPATT will have no access to big money.

When its time to negotiate the contracts for World Cup 2010, there will be a major conflict between the existing TTFF and the players.

FPATT will need the support of the players, supporters, sponsors and government.

If we sit and do nothing but add a few benefits for the players, we won't enjoy the support we need. FPATT needs to become a force as soon as possible. We can only do this by reaching out to the communities and providing benefits to them.

We cannot afford at this time to pay for insurance etc for players. In England, all players pay £90 per year subs. Thats around $1100 TT.

That pays for nothing! Last year PFA got £16,000,000 in TV rights. They also get a percentage of every transfer fee. Their major sponsors pay £30,000 each just to carry the PFA logo.

So you can see that subs are just a token payment to assure committment.

While we are tied up in court and trying to influence matters at FIFA, we have the opportunity to direct our efforts elsewhere.

A community project run and backed by the players is more likel to be supported than a community led scheme.

You are right that WN is the main vehicle for supporters, and if WN can organise and run weekly soccer schools, then I'm sure FPAT would lend its support. However, I don't think you guys have the time to commit to it. We have ex players like Tansley Thompson who want to support FPATT and want to work with youth talent. We have Tallest saying he wants to work in places like Morvant as a coach. Marvin wants to work back in his community.

Players do want to make a difference.

Therefore, if we decide to ask for donations/fundraising, the money can be directed at a specific project and become an FPATT/WN project.

The question is, is there anyoe from WN in a position to commit time on a weekly basis to support this I know of some members who may be iterested, but wether they would work without pay is another issue.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: KND2 on July 25, 2007, 06:53:35 AM
i think initially the funding will have to come from the players.

Only people passionate about the cause will put money into it.

A players Union will have to be funded by the players, if all PFL and foreign based players pay UNION DUES of 1% of their salary money should not be an issue.

fans will hardly donate to help players form a union.

Present and past players is prabably the best avenue to get fund from at least in the initail stage
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 25, 2007, 08:05:53 AM
Foreign based players cannot be full members and most are members of their host nations unions. Past players would not benefit from membership, but there are past players who are volunteering to help.

That leaves around 200 home based players.

Even 1% from all of them would not amount to much.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: elan on July 25, 2007, 11:23:41 AM
FPATT is guess you were right when is time for action, everyone has committments. I think I understand what you are trying to do. I believe it's a great angle to approach the battle with the TTFF from.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Baygo Boy on July 25, 2007, 12:59:14 PM
Gentlemen, all things considered - this should be a "no brainer". Yes FPATT is a players organization, and in an ideal situation should be funded by the players, but we are not dealing with players from nations who understand the long term value of a union, most of OUR players have never been part of anything organized (except for their teams).

If we as fans understand the value of this union, and if we call ourselves true fans, then I don't see why we can't move from the norm and support their initial fundraising efforts, instead of providing lip service.

Warrior Nation execs will tell you that I am not a member, but they will tell you that when they come up with a plan or event that warrants my $$$ I will support. The truth is that FPATT is clearly doing something major here, so I will support.

We have to remove ourselves from the mind-set that says it must benefit us as individuals. Our players have had to deal with too much bullshit over the years, and as fans this is an opportunity to participate in fixing things. Harrison to the best of my knowlege is not even Trinbagonian, but we are hearing that this foreigner is putting his $$$ where his mouth is, why can't we? Why do we always have to depend on others to help us, when are we going to start helping ourselves? We try to paint this picture of us being post modern, but it's clear that the colonial mentality is still around.

We spent the past year hailing FPATT efforts, but as soon as they ask for more than lip service is more questions than support. Everyone on this board know our culture, and know that our players would have a problem paying dues at this point. We all know that the majority of players would want FPATT to do something for them before they start joining and paying dues, it's just our nature/culture, but those of us in the know, should recognize this and assist.

FPATT is not asking for much, they are simply saying we need your help to get this thing off the ground, and there is no reason why we shouldn't help. Show me how $5.00/$10.00 to support our players directly can hurt anyone of us. No disrespect intended, but it is not the Warrior Nation that is fighting the TTFF on behalf of the players, it's is FPATT. It's is not the Warrior Nation that coming up with this move to help our 'ballers, it is FPATT. Truth be told, it's clear that FPATT has a far better chance of organizing our players and our football than the WN.

Bake & Shark, you ask how FPATT can help develop football in T&T, and the answer is simple - by providing our players with an understanding of their value to the local game, but allowing them to recognize that they have a lot more to offer than just their on field exploits. We have seen where players unions in England and the US have worked with organizations at the grassroots level in conjunction with clubs and the FA/USSF etc to develop football in inner city etc. - do your research.

If yuh say yuh for we players then start sending yuh $$$$. Stop the pissing questions, and recognize. Our players never had a voice, they are getting one now, let's support this, It's in It's infancy and need our assistance.

Please, no more dumb ass questions, start funding. Mr. Harrison set up your Paypal account, or just post an address where I can send my 2 cents, and let's get this thing started.



 
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Bakes on July 25, 2007, 01:29:27 PM
Bakes, a lot of what you have said is accurate.
FPATT is a players union, and its first aim is to provide advice and support to players.

However, once recognised by the authorities and supporters, FPATT will have a unique opportunity to influence football in T&T.

As in the MLS & EPL, the union and the authorities should eventually work in tandem. Unlike in the USA and England, this won't happen in T&T until the TTFF either grow up or a change of personnel takes place. In the meantime, FPATT will have no access to big money.

When its time to negotiate the contracts for World Cup 2010, there will be a major conflict between the existing TTFF and the players.

FPATT will need the support of the players, supporters, sponsors and government.

If we sit and do nothing but add a few benefits for the players, we won't enjoy the support we need. FPATT needs to become a force as soon as possible. We can only do this by reaching out to the communities and providing benefits to them.

We cannot afford at this time to pay for insurance etc for players. In England, all players pay £90 per year subs. Thats around $1100 TT.

That pays for nothing! Last year PFA got £16,000,000 in TV rights. They also get a percentage of every transfer fee. Their major sponsors pay £30,000 each just to carry the PFA logo.

So you can see that subs are just a token payment to assure committment.

While we are tied up in court and trying to influence matters at FIFA, we have the opportunity to direct our efforts elsewhere.

A community project run and backed by the players is more likel to be supported than a community led scheme.

You are right that WN is the main vehicle for supporters, and if WN can organise and run weekly soccer schools, then I'm sure FPAT would lend its support. However, I don't think you guys have the time to commit to it. We have ex players like Tansley Thompson who want to support FPATT and want to work with youth talent. We have Tallest saying he wants to work in places like Morvant as a coach. Marvin wants to work back in his community.

Players do want to make a difference.

Therefore, if we decide to ask for donations/fundraising, the money can be directed at a specific project and become an FPATT/WN project.

The question is, is there anyoe from WN in a position to commit time on a weekly basis to support this I know of some members who may be iterested, but wether they would work without pay is another issue.

I see what you're saying...

I still say that reaching out to the community or 'communities' as you said will really serve you no useful purpose when 2010 rolls around, because 'communities' aren't likely to help you force the TTFF's hand, moreso than a unified stance by all players concerned.  With no players to play the games the TTFF will be forced back to the negotiating table, if not forced into capitulation.

I do however agree that community outreach on the parts of the players is a very good idea and worthy of support.  Glad to see some of the current and former players getting involved in this venture, or at least keeping it at the fore of their minds.  I would reiterate again that perhaps this should either be done thru or in tandem with WN since there's a convergence of ideas on this front, and in many instances WN has already begun this process.  But I'll leave that up to FPATT and WN to work out.


Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Bakes on July 25, 2007, 01:32:47 PM
Foreign based players cannot be full members and most are members of their host nations unions. Past players would not benefit from membership, but there are past players who are volunteering to help.

That leaves around 200 home based players.

Even 1% from all of them would not amount to much.
If FPATT would extend membership to not just "Football players[ ] of Trinidad and Tobago"...implying pros based in TnT...but also extend it to players who represent TnT on the national level then that would solve this issue.  Afer all it is this category of players which gave rise to FPATT in the first place, no?

How ironic would it be if a Jose Luis Seabra or some other non-Trini footballer plying their trade in the PFL could gain membership...and a Carlos Edwards only be offered 'partial membership'.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Bakes on July 25, 2007, 01:53:15 PM
Gentlemen, all things considered - this should be a "no brainer". Yes FPATT is a players organization, and in an ideal situation should be funded by the players, but we are not dealing with players from nations who understand the long term value of a union, most of OUR players have never been part of anything organized (except for their teams).

If we as fans understand the value of this union, and if we call ourselves true fans, then I don't see why we can't move from the norm and support their initial fundraising efforts, instead of providing lip service.

Warrior Nation execs will tell you that I am not a member, but they will tell you that when they come up with a plan or event that warrants my $$$ I will support. The truth is that FPATT is clearly doing something major here, so I will support.

We have to remove ourselves from the mind-set that says it must benefit us as individuals. Our players have had to deal with too much bullshit over the years, and as fans this is an opportunity to participate in fixing things. Harrison to the best of my knowlege is not even Trinbagonian, but we are hearing that this foreigner is putting his $$$ where his mouth is, why can't we? Why do we always have to depend on others to help us, when are we going to start helping ourselves? We try to paint this picture of us being post modern, but it's clear that the colonial mentality is still around.


Thanks for re-stating my point for me....substitute "we" with "professional footballers" and you'll get my point.  Ever heard "you can lead a horse to water...".  WITHOUT THE PLAYERS FPATT IS NOTHING.  Don't you get that?  FPATT will fail with apathetic players...it doesn't matter what the fans are doing.  Fans can organize all they want and support all they want...all we'll end up with is WN by a different name, as I've already said.  You don't value anything unless you've put effort into achieving/acquiring it.  It shouldn't be that the fans have to do the leg work to get the union off the ground while the players dawdle around in apathy.  That apathy will feed over into the union (should fans succeed in getting it off the ground) and before you know it apathy will prevent it from being a unified force.  That's the point.

We spent the past year hailing FPATT efforts, but as soon as they ask for more than lip service is more questions than support.

Support should never be blind nor unintelligent.  If you feel otherwise then that is your prerogative.

Everyone on this board know our culture, and know that our players would have a problem paying dues at this point.

Well guess what, unionization takes sacrifice...those who are serious should be willing to make a sacrifice.

We all know that the majority of players would want FPATT to do something for them before they start joining and paying dues, it's just our nature/culture, but those of us in the know, should recognize this and assist.

FPATT is not asking for much, they are simply saying we need your help to get this thing off the ground, and there is no reason why we shouldn't help. Show me how $5.00/$10.00 to support our players directly can hurt anyone of us. No disrespect intended, but it is not the Warrior Nation that is fighting the TTFF on behalf of the players, it's is FPATT. It's is not the Warrior Nation that coming up with this move to help our 'ballers, it is FPATT. Truth be told, it's clear that FPATT has a far better chance of organizing our players and our football than the WN.

Bake & Shark, you ask how FPATT can help develop football in T&T, and the answer is simple - by providing our players with an understanding of their value to the local game, but allowing them to recognize that they have a lot more to offer than just their on field exploits. We have seen where players unions in England and the US have worked with organizations at the grassroots level in conjunction with clubs and the FA/USSF etc to develop football in inner city etc. - do your research.


Physician heal thyself.  None of these unions you cite...I GUARANTEE you...tried to get social program/mes off the ground BEFORE the union itself was up and running.  None.

That's a quintessential case of trying to put the cart before the horse.  So wheel and come again dey docta.

If yuh say yuh for we players then start sending yuh $$$$. Stop the pissing questions, and recognize. Our players never had a voice, they are getting one now, let's support this, It's in It's infancy and need our assistance.

Please, no more dumb ass questions, start funding. Mr. Harrison set up your Paypal account, or just post an address where I can send my 2 cents, and let's get this thing started.



 

If you think the questions are dumb then hold yuh f**king corner and doh respond...you not in the know, so they were NOT posed to you.  Did Mr. Harrison deem them dumb?  Have some modicum of understanding before you open your mouth and reveal the breadth of the void between your ears.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Baygo Boy on July 25, 2007, 04:23:32 PM
Bakes, ah mentioned yuh name once and yuh cuss meh "Trini to de Bone"  :rotfl: :rotfl:. Bakes It's clear that you are not willing to accept the fact that there are times when it's necessary to modify your approach to a situation - If you would agree that OUR players would have a problem paying dues etc at this point than where is YOUR solution, especially seeing that you seem to agree that FPATT is necessary.

You keep saying that is the players responsibility, and as I said in an ideal situtaion you are correct, but you have to accept that this is not the rest of the world , this is Trinbago, so as history has shown us, we have to take another route/approach, as is clear Harrison and his folks understand. You are asking him to empower our players in a short space of time, while still trying to battle the powers that be. You and I both know that the could render FPATT useless.

Most of the players cannot at this point grasp the "real" value of FPATT, and reality suggests - until that happens you will not get the type of involvement from the players. It hasn't struck you yet that FPATT was created by overseas based players, and the locals haven't yet bought into it. Come on don't pretend you not seeing that.

I am not interested in what should be - I am concerned with what is, or for the want of a better word "reality". Face reality Bakes, stop pretending that you don't understand we culture. If you want change - sometimes you have to create it, even force it. You and i are in a unique situation - we can help foster change for our players even when our players don't get it. We understand the value of FPATT, and as much as you and I would agree that the players should see this, they don't.

So should we sit back and watch, or should we work towards getting the organization off the ground.  If Shaka and all our overseas based were in the PFL - I assure you they too would have been reluctant to join. I accept the "you can lead a horse to water .... adage, but from experience, if you just force it to drink, rest assured you won't have a problem after.

As I said previously - I agree that it is ultimately the players responsibility, but when I look toward the future of T&T ball, and what 'Ballers have gone through, I know that if we don't assist FPATT in getting of the ground, we (fans) will forever talking about how unprofessional and mundane or ballers and local football is. We have an opportunity to participate in bringing about change, so forget the bullshit and let's assist.

One other thing - If you don't want me to respond to your post - I suggest you call Mr. Harrison on his private line.

So now, with that understood - what is your proactive solution?

Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 25, 2007, 04:50:05 PM
Bakes, the points you make and the questions you ask are the same ones that I used ask.

Once you work inside football, you certainly view things differently.

I've spent time with my heroes, trying to figure out how they can reach the end of their careers with no job propects. I've sat there listening to a player tell me how he's going to get a job as a courier driver, and earn less money than his mortgage payment.

I get told stories by players of how they invested and lost money on the advice of friends, agents, managers and independent financial advisers, yet they still don't approach the PFA.

Many players aren't even aware of the benefits they get from PFA. They don't read the letters we send or attend meetings we hold.

The only reason 75% are members is because when they turn pro, their manager or club captain tells them to join.

However, there are one or two players at each club who realise the benefits of membership. These guys keep it alive.

To my knowledge, not one single Trinidad based player has asked for a union. It is those players that have experienced the security and benefits of unionisation abroad who want to provide similar benefits for those players at home. As I have repeatedly said, those pioneering players will not benefit themselves.

As with many modernisations, people travel to other countries and experience things they have not been aware of and want to bring them back home. Thats how countries develop.

How can players in Trinidad know a players union is a good thing if they've never seen it in action? Therefore, how can they be expected to become die hard activists?

With such a small player base, FPATT has to provide the framework for players to sign up to. In other countries, unions were generally formed by players because they had certain issues to fight at home. This is different. If TTFF had paid the players bonuses and not blacklisted them, perhaps FPATT would still be just an idea. Instead, certain players decided they would not let that happen to future players. The difference is, they were all foreign based.

If the ProLeague suddenly stopped paying players, then you would see the players signing up, but they have had no catalyst like those in other countries.

So what I'm trying to explain is that in a perfect world, there would be no reason for supporters to fundraise. But in the real world, it is you and I that see the benefits, not so much for todays players, but for the future players.

I became involved because Brent and Kelvin asked me for advice about the process involved in starting a union. From that point I have gradually got more involved and more determined to help straighten out football in T&T. I live in England and I have no intention of moving to Trinidad (although its a great country and I hope to visit often in the future), so there is no long term career in FPATT for me.

I'm just sick of the corruption, the lack of respect and the naivity of home based players.

Everyone has their own view and I never expected 100% on this site. I just hope that those who do make a financial commitment are proud of what we achieve.  
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: WestCoast on July 25, 2007, 05:01:26 PM
can I just interject my penny's Worth?
everybody has some very good points and counterpoints for FPATT
but let me also say that we cant be too hard on the local players.
I am sure that these players realise that their future Football careers rests in the hands of ONE PERSON.
ONE PERSON...that in itself is mind boggling for me even.
If they are cognisant of the local scene they will know those who have been treated very unfairly in the past and they themselves do not in any way want to be treated that way.
This has been going on now for OVER 30 YEARS.
so as this is a very NEW thing to them we can only ask that the Players who have been successful in getting this off the ground to be VERY patient as I think it will take time for the present local players to climb on board the FPATT maxi taxi, so to speak
Just keep trying and sooner or later they will open their eyes.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Baygo Boy on July 25, 2007, 05:17:19 PM
West Coast - you  are correct. It will take time for the players to buy into FPATT, and Harrison and his folks clearly understand that, but in order for FPATT to become a force, we need to assist in their interim funding efforts.

I think that the debate should end, and the funding commence. I have been personally involved in local players issues in the past, and i know that if the player and I had FPATT back then, the end result we experienced could have been different. I totally support the concept and efforts of FPATT.

Two of the best things to happen with local football is FPATT, this site and WN, let's help FPATT efforts.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: WestCoast on July 25, 2007, 05:27:12 PM
West Coast - you  are correct. It will take time for the players to buy into FPATT, and Harrison and his folks clearly understand that, but in order for FPATT to become a force, we need to assist in their interim funding efforts.
I think that the debate should end, and the funding commence. I have been personally involved in local players issues in the past, and i know that if the player and I had FPATT back then, the end result we experienced could have been different. I totally support the concept and efforts of FPATT.
Three of the best things to happen with local football is FPATT, this site and WN, let's help FPATT efforts.
very well said.....

something that cold be considered is that maybe FPATT could get the forren players to be involved in a workshop which will convey the whole concept of the association?
invite ALL local players to attend.
maybe held in a few venues.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 25, 2007, 05:32:59 PM
can I just interject my penny's Worth?
everybody has some very good points and counterpoints for FPATT
but let me also say that we cant be too hard on the local players.
I am sure that these players realise that their future Football careers rests in the hands of ONE PERSON.
ONE PERSON...that in itself is mind boggling for me even.
If they are cognisant of the local scene they will know those who have been treated very unfairly in the past and they themselves do not in any way want to be treated that way.
This has been going on now for OVER 30 YEARS.
so as this is a very NEW thing to them we can only ask that the Players who have been successful in getting this off the ground to be VERY patient as I think it will take time for the present local players to climb on board the FPATT maxi taxi, so to speak
Just keep trying and sooner or later they will open their eyes.


Thats exactly my point. Plus, the local guys have got to be thinking that they don't want to end up joining the blacklist, so its better to keep your head down. Of course, the exact opposite is true. If they unite, they will be undefeatable, as was the PFA in 2001, when 99% of pro footballers in England & Wales voted to strike over the sharing of television rights. Needless to say, there was no strike required. It takes what we call bottle to stand up against more powerful forces, yet once you do, it empowers you as individuals and as an organisation. The 2010 world cup is coming, and at the moment there is half a team, and they have never negotiated with Warner before. What tricks will he pull next time?

 
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: WestCoast on July 25, 2007, 05:41:57 PM
The 2010 world cup is coming, and at the moment there is half a team, and they have never negotiated with Warner before. What tricks will he pull next time?
May GOD guide them


Even our own head coach and his fellow players back in 1974 stood up to the FA of the Netherlands.
"Nothing was ever easy with this bunch of players - they'd been arguing about bonuses, and threatening strike action, three days before the tournament kicked off! "
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~goldkeep/Holland74/Squad.htm
that was also the WORST year in TnT Football History.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 25, 2007, 06:06:19 PM
It makes you realise how difficult a position Wim was placed in over the blacklist. I bet when he leaves Trinidad he has a lot to say about that issue.

Interesting to see Cruyff not wearing the same shirt as the others. Can you imagine Rooney or Gerrard wearing a different shirt to their team mates? Incredible. I also liked the goalie wearing number 8 and the reserve striker wearing number 1!
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Bakes on July 25, 2007, 06:26:08 PM
I don't disagree with too much of what any of you, baygo, west coast or FPATT are saying...so let's just establish that off the bat.  However from my personal experience, you cannot expect to do things for people, without the main beneficiaries having some sort of investment in their own interests.  One of my biggest fears is that all this leg work is put into it and nothing comes of it because the players just aren't interested.  I just believe that the players should be on board with the idea of unionization before the union begins any sort of social programs, because at the end of the day:

1. Social programs are necessary, but already being addressed.

2. Players aren't interested in social programs so all the social programming we do fails to promote the stated of the Union.

Yes there must be much hand-holding, but you hold their hands and lead them where...to somewhere that they possibly won't be interested in going in the end?  Gauge the committed interest first...then hold hand and point the way.




Additionally FPATT...not sure if you answered my question about membership and Pro League players v. foreign based National Team members.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 25, 2007, 06:47:22 PM
The problem with foreign based players being full members is that they would be able to vote on issues that only effect home based players. Also, once there is insurance and pensions etc in place, they will be of no use to the foreign based players, so they will be paying subs for no reason.

I am positive that some of them would pay their subs anyway, but those guys are already spending much more in getting the union up and running.

As associate members, they can pass on their advice, but have no voting rights.

The tricky area is international team contracts. David Beckham will have no voting rights on England contracts as he is not a member of the PFA. Likewise, Stern and Carlos will not be able to vote on T&T contracts. But as associate members, they can still make their feelings known.

This situation is the same in all 42 other unionised countries from Brazil to Egypt. You can only join if you play in that country.

As to your other comment Bakes, don't take this wrong, but shall we just all forget about the union and sit back and watched the next crop of players get screwed, while we have premiership players not selected for their country? What happens when Spann and Williams realise that they're being screwed and refuse to play?

This is the part I don't understand about your points. As valid as they are, the underlying fact is that as over the last 30 years, if we do nothing, you'll get the same result. The players at home can't see the shit heading towards the fan. We can, and thats why WE have to take responsibility. Its our game, and its your nation.

A lot of the players we're talking about are too young to think of much more than which boots to buy next. They're not interested in the politics of football, but they will be once its too late.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: trinbago on July 25, 2007, 08:13:01 PM
All I have to say is "Build it... and They will Come"

We all have to have faith in the cause and the belief in what we are doing is for the betterment of generations to come.  "That's the thing about faith. If you don't have it you can't understand it. And if you do, no explanation is necessary."
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Bakes on July 25, 2007, 08:29:52 PM

This is the part I don't understand about your points. As valid as they are, the underlying fact is that as over the last 30 years, if we do nothing, you'll get the same result. The players at home can't see the shit heading towards the fan. We can, and thats why WE have to take responsibility. Its our game, and its your nation.

A lot of the players we're talking about are too young to think of much more than which boots to buy next. They're not interested in the politics of football, but they will be once its too late.
If my points are valid...how can you not understand them?  Or did you mean to say that you don't agree with them?  Some believe in the "if you build it they will come" model...as espoused by trinbago.  I have no such faith in chance.  I think there needs be a start with the foreign-based professionals to come back and educate the younger local players as to the benefit and necessity for unionization.

I also see your points on the problem posed by foreign-based players.  I think this can best be addressed by by-laws stipulating that they cannot vote on domestic affairs, only affairs that cross over into international play/issues.  Something just seems wrong about the foreign-based Soca Warriors not having a vote (when it was largely them who inspired FPATT) and some player from a foreign country in the PFL having more say than them on FPATT affairs.  But I won't drag that out...that's for FPATT and it's membership to hash out internally.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 26, 2007, 04:07:09 AM

This is the part I don't understand about your points. As valid as they are, the underlying fact is that as over the last 30 years, if we do nothing, you'll get the same result. The players at home can't see the shit heading towards the fan. We can, and thats why WE have to take responsibility. Its our game, and its your nation.

A lot of the players we're talking about are too young to think of much more than which boots to buy next. They're not interested in the politics of football, but they will be once its too late.
If my points are valid...how can you not understand them?  Or did you mean to say that you don't agree with them?  Some believe in the "if you build it they will come" model...as espoused by trinbago.  I have no such faith in chance.  I think there needs be a start with the foreign-based professionals to come back and educate the younger local players as to the benefit and necessity for unionization.

I also see your points on the problem posed by foreign-based players.  I think this can best be addressed by by-laws stipulating that they cannot vote on domestic affairs, only affairs that cross over into international play/issues.  Something just seems wrong about the foreign-based Soca Warriors not having a vote (when it was largely them who inspired FPATT) and some player from a foreign country in the PFL having more say than them on FPATT affairs.  But I won't drag that out...that's for FPATT and it's membership to hash out internally.

What I mean is, everything you say makes sense. If we were talking about lumberjacks or factory workers, I would accept your points. What I don't understand is that you are aware that the manipulation of football in T&T will continue and players will continue to be abused if there is no strong force to oppose them. The Gold Cup squad were paid a pittance. Noriega was left in hospital in the USA with questionable care from TTFF. Cornell was injured for a year with no financial assistance.

The govt can't intercede. If you wish WN to be the opposing force, then fine, get organised and oppose. The fact is, nobody will take any notice. It has to come from within football and players have the ultimate bargaining tool. They can strike. If its taking me this long to convince an intelligent person like yourself, how long will it take me to convince a 20 year old poorly educated player?

And don't forget, the players are being guided by advisers and agents, one of whom is paid by TTFF!

So, as I said, the alternative is to let FPATT fade away and let football continue its same pattern. We can't wait for 3 or 4 years for players to return to assist.

Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: WestCoast on July 26, 2007, 04:24:13 AM
And don't forget, the players are being guided by advisers and agents, one of whom is paid by TTFF!
not Only TTFF........the clubs he has players with ;)

would the FPATT produce a list of recommended Agents?
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 26, 2007, 04:38:31 AM
And don't forget, the players are being guided by advisers and agents, one of whom is paid by TTFF!
not Only TTFF........the clubs he has players with ;)

would the FPATT produce a list of recommended Agents?

We are attempting to compile a list of ethical agents who wll not takefees from clubs and players on the same deal. This is underway. However, you all have to remember that this is new terrotory for all of us, ans we all have full time jobs to do. Things aren't moving as quickly as we'd like, but without having full time paid staff at the moment we have to do the best we can. Don't suppose anyone know an efficient secretary who can volunteer to work 20 hours a week??
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Bakes on July 26, 2007, 09:30:00 AM


What I mean is, everything you say makes sense. If we were talking about lumberjacks or factory workers, I would accept your points. What I don't understand is that you are aware that the manipulation of football in T&T will continue and players will continue to be abused if there is no strong force to oppose them.


Correct...but coalescing the interest of the players FIRST...is counterproductive how?  You keep citing the end...we both agree on the end, it's the approach over which we differ.

The Gold Cup squad were paid a pittance. Noriega was left in hospital in the USA with questionable care from TTFF.

Highly debateable...but moving on.


Cornell was injured for a year with no financial assistance.

The govt can't intercede. If you wish WN to be the opposing force, then fine, get organised and oppose.

Uh uh...I wish nothing for any organization, I have no stakes in matter.  Players' rights are best advocated by players collectively, in the form of a union...on that we both agree.  Again, I just don't see how raising funds for social programs affects that end, but you don't need to convince me, if that's what your membership wants then by all means...

The fact is, nobody will take any notice. It has to come from within football and players have the ultimate bargaining tool. They can strike. If its taking me this long to convince an intelligent person like yourself, how long will it take me to convince a 20 year old poorly educated player?

What are you trying to convince me of though?  The need to organize and unionize?  Or the means by which you think it's best that this can be achieved?  I have to ask because it takes no convincing on the first question.  I think the same challenge will be faced when dealing with the young pros...you must first show them the 'why'...before you attempt to outline the 'how'.  This has been my only argument all along...Get the players behind you first.

And don't forget, the players are being guided by advisers and agents, one of whom is paid by TTFF!

So, as I said, the alternative is to let FPATT fade away and let football continue its same pattern. We can't wait for 3 or 4 years for players to return to assist.



Well we may have to agree to disagree on that....I don't see the two as being mutually exclusive.  Furthermore you ultimately have more at stake than I do...I believe we care just as much, but it states the obvious to say that you are more active.  I don't want that my questions serve as a deterrrent or discouragement of the process...but you can't have answers without questions.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Babalawo on July 26, 2007, 11:58:30 AM
Throw an tri-annual fete with some Soca Artists and plenty rum.. You know them trini them like to party more than football
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: weary1969 on July 26, 2007, 09:28:07 PM
If local players cyah see the benefit of joining FPATT fire burn dem
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: elan on July 26, 2007, 11:59:22 PM
It's funny that after all the Senior Warriors have been through in the last year, people would still think that it will have to take a numerous amount of effort to convince the younger guys that they need independent, professional representation in securing proper contracts with future teams.

Why would players on the U.S national team, and player from various other countries realize the importance of such representation, but our lad does not have the capacity to fathom such relevance to them and their future.
 
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: WestCoast on July 27, 2007, 02:26:48 AM
It's funny that after all the Senior Warriors have been through in the last year, people would still think that it will have to take a numerous amount of effort to convince the younger guys that they need independent, professional representation in securing proper contracts with future teams.

Why would players on the U.S national team, and player from various other countries realize the importance of such representation, but our lad does not have the capacity to fathom such relevance to them and their future.
 
Elan, there are still those people, some right here on this site, who say that Jackula is the BEST thing for TnT Football.
I dont see the situation that way myself, but I guess that some look at it from the view point that it will be a COLD DAY in Hell before Jackula will ever get his teeth out of TnT Football. he is making TOO much money, and unfortunately having a GREAT team of players is not in any way to his advantage as his income in NOT dependent on TnT having a GREAT group of players. If ya ketch my drift.
as we have witnessed, His power and influence within FIFA stands him in very good stead.
Some People see him and the power he wields and they may very well be dumfounded by him and are afraid to stand up for themselves. The carrot (playing football outside TnT) makes their struggle (dealing with TTFF) seem minor.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 27, 2007, 03:04:27 AM
It's funny that after all the Senior Warriors have been through in the last year, people would still think that it will have to take a numerous amount of effort to convince the younger guys that they need independent, professional representation in securing proper contracts with future teams.

Why would players on the U.S national team, and player from various other countries realize the importance of such representation, but our lad does not have the capacity to fathom such relevance to them and their future.
 

Its just that the information put to those home based players is pro TTFF. Warner has a whole propaganda machine running. If you look back on this site, before FPATT, the situation over the blacklisted players wasn't really clear. Aside from Lasana, the press were giving out pro TTFF information. People on this site felt that the blacklisted players were greedy.

You has access to far more information than most of the players. They do not have a forum like this, and probably can't be bothered to come here and see whats really happening.

Also, they saw this as a chance for them to break into the national team. They think its an issue between the foreign based players and Warner. Its not their concern. Most of them don't know Stern, Dennis, Shaka, Brent and Kelvin.

To be honest, I think a lot of it is due to the mentality of people in T&T. Most people on this site are either living abroad, have lived abroad or are interested in whats happening abroad. Your horizons have widened.

The apathy that exists stems from an island mentality. Believe it or not, I come from an island in Kent. We were only seperated from the mainland by a mile, but even so, there is a different atitude. People from there were even nervous about coming to London for my wedding!

As so many people on this site have said, this should be led by the players. Most people on this site think a players union is essential. So why haven't players approached FPATT to join. We have got players signing up, but we have approached them. To my knowledge, not one player has contacted us.

So why doesn't a player at, say, WConnection get all his team mates together and contact us?

It still remains the same answer. We can either give up and let things continue as they are, or find another way. As Weary says maybe we should "burn" the players. It just means that football in T&T will continue to be run by people more interested in themselves than you guys.

I've pretty much decided that we shouldn't fund raise from the public. After over 500 views of his post, we've had 35 votes. People don't even care enough to vote "would no donate".

The same apathy exists here as with the players. We've had some interesting debates, which is always useful, but I am saddened that people would rather leave their change on a bar rather than put it in a collection box.

Without the enthusiasm of the players and supporters, whats the point?

Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: WestCoast on July 27, 2007, 03:39:36 AM
Mr K H, I dont envy your position as your task ahead is a formidable one indeed
these are the good old days that todays players are going to be talking about when it is time for them to retire and they will fondly look back on ALL the hard work that you and the rest of the organisers have done and say "Thank you".....mark my words. ;)
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: trinbago on July 27, 2007, 06:59:01 AM
It's funny that after all the Senior Warriors have been through in the last year, people would still think that it will have to take a numerous amount of effort to convince the younger guys that they need independent, professional representation in securing proper contracts with future teams.

Why would players on the U.S national team, and player from various other countries realize the importance of such representation, but our lad does not have the capacity to fathom such relevance to them and their future.
 

Its just that the information put to those home based players is pro TTFF. Warner has a whole propaganda machine running. If you look back on this site, before FPATT, the situation over the blacklisted players wasn't really clear. Aside from Lasana, the press were giving out pro TTFF information. People on this site felt that the blacklisted players were greedy.

You has access to far more information than most of the players. They do not have a forum like this, and probably can't be bothered to come here and see whats really happening.

Also, they saw this as a chance for them to break into the national team. They think its an issue between the foreign based players and Warner. Its not their concern. Most of them don't know Stern, Dennis, Shaka, Brent and Kelvin.

To be honest, I think a lot of it is due to the mentality of people in T&T. Most people on this site are either living abroad, have lived abroad or are interested in whats happening abroad. Your horizons have widened.

The apathy that exists stems from an island mentality. Believe it or not, I come from an island in Kent. We were only seperated from the mainland by a mile, but even so, there is a different atitude. People from there were even nervous about coming to London for my wedding!

As so many people on this site have said, this should be led by the players. Most people on this site think a players union is essential. So why haven't players approached FPATT to join. We have got players signing up, but we have approached them. To my knowledge, not one player has contacted us.

So why doesn't a player at, say, WConnection get all his team mates together and contact us?

It still remains the same answer. We can either give up and let things continue as they are, or find another way. As Weary says maybe we should "burn" the players. It just means that football in T&T will continue to be run by people more interested in themselves than you guys.

I've pretty much decided that we shouldn't fund raise from the public. After over 500 views of his post, we've had 35 votes. People don't even care enough to vote "would no donate".

The same apathy exists here as with the players. We've had some interesting debates, which is always useful, but I am saddened that people would rather leave their change on a bar rather than put it in a collection box.

Without the enthusiasm of the players and supporters, whats the point?



FPATT... Keep strong and keep your eye on the prize,.... as I said before I and many other folks will contribute....again...Build It.. and they will come
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Baygo Boy on July 27, 2007, 10:03:10 AM
FPATT, it is clear you have some supporters here. We know the significance of your efforts , so I urge you - please don't give up. West Coast is correct - folks will be singing your praises in the future. Trinbago is also correct - we know our people. Please establish your paypal account, and/or an address where I can direct my aquaintances to send contributions. Stay strong.

Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Bakes on July 27, 2007, 11:44:13 AM
It's funny that after all the Senior Warriors have been through in the last year, people would still think that it will have to take a numerous amount of effort to convince the younger guys that they need independent, professional representation in securing proper contracts with future teams.

Why would players on the U.S national team, and player from various other countries realize the importance of such representation, but our lad does not have the capacity to fathom such relevance to them and their future.
 

Its just that the information put to those home based players is pro TTFF. Warner has a whole propaganda machine running. If you look back on this site, before FPATT, the situation over the blacklisted players wasn't really clear. Aside from Lasana, the press were giving out pro TTFF information. People on this site felt that the blacklisted players were greedy.

You has access to far more information than most of the players. They do not have a forum like this, and probably can't be bothered to come here and see whats really happening.

Also, they saw this as a chance for them to break into the national team. They think its an issue between the foreign based players and Warner. Its not their concern. Most of them don't know Stern, Dennis, Shaka, Brent and Kelvin.

To be honest, I think a lot of it is due to the mentality of people in T&T. Most people on this site are either living abroad, have lived abroad or are interested in whats happening abroad. Your horizons have widened.

The apathy that exists stems from an island mentality. Believe it or not, I come from an island in Kent. We were only seperated from the mainland by a mile, but even so, there is a different atitude. People from there were even nervous about coming to London for my wedding!

As so many people on this site have said, this should be led by the players. Most people on this site think a players union is essential. So why haven't players approached FPATT to join. We have got players signing up, but we have approached them. To my knowledge, not one player has contacted us.

So why doesn't a player at, say, WConnection get all his team mates together and contact us?

It still remains the same answer. We can either give up and let things continue as they are, or find another way. As Weary says maybe we should "burn" the players. It just means that football in T&T will continue to be run by people more interested in themselves than you guys.

I've pretty much decided that we shouldn't fund raise from the public. After over 500 views of his post, we've had 35 votes. People don't even care enough to vote "would no donate".

The same apathy exists here as with the players. We've had some interesting debates, which is always useful, but I am saddened that people would rather leave their change on a bar rather than put it in a collection box.

Without the enthusiasm of the players and supporters, whats the point?



The apathy you're encountering is just another one of those challenges that in the end will make the journey that much more meaningful.  My suggestions would be as best as possible, educate the local players on what it is you're trying to do.  Contact the clubs (even though I doubt they'll be receptive to the idea) and organize one night after practice when you can go make a 30-minute presentation on the merits of unionization.  Key points to focus on would be salary-negotiation and benefits...including the eventual possibility of a pension for players after they leave the league.

Which brings me to another point...as a union you actually may need to negotiate separately with the Pro League and the TTFF, as there would be many Pro players who won't be governed by issues negotiated with the TTFF.  Already we have outlined the reverse...foreign-based players and their relationship to the issues governing the local professionals.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Baygo Boy on July 27, 2007, 12:10:52 PM
It's funny that after all the Senior Warriors have been through in the last year, people would still think that it will have to take a numerous amount of effort to convince the younger guys that they need independent, professional representation in securing proper contracts with future teams.

Why would players on the U.S national team, and player from various other countries realize the importance of such representation, but our lad does not have the capacity to fathom such relevance to them and their future.
 

Its just that the information put to those home based players is pro TTFF. Warner has a whole propaganda machine running. If you look back on this site, before FPATT, the situation over the blacklisted players wasn't really clear. Aside from Lasana, the press were giving out pro TTFF information. People on this site felt that the blacklisted players were greedy.

You has access to far more information than most of the players. They do not have a forum like this, and probably can't be bothered to come here and see whats really happening.

Also, they saw this as a chance for them to break into the national team. They think its an issue between the foreign based players and Warner. Its not their concern. Most of them don't know Stern, Dennis, Shaka, Brent and Kelvin.

To be honest, I think a lot of it is due to the mentality of people in T&T. Most people on this site are either living abroad, have lived abroad or are interested in whats happening abroad. Your horizons have widened.

The apathy that exists stems from an island mentality. Believe it or not, I come from an island in Kent. We were only seperated from the mainland by a mile, but even so, there is a different atitude. People from there were even nervous about coming to London for my wedding!

As so many people on this site have said, this should be led by the players. Most people on this site think a players union is essential. So why haven't players approached FPATT to join. We have got players signing up, but we have approached them. To my knowledge, not one player has contacted us.

So why doesn't a player at, say, WConnection get all his team mates together and contact us?

It still remains the same answer. We can either give up and let things continue as they are, or find another way. As Weary says maybe we should "burn" the players. It just means that football in T&T will continue to be run by people more interested in themselves than you guys.

I've pretty much decided that we shouldn't fund raise from the public. After over 500 views of his post, we've had 35 votes. People don't even care enough to vote "would no donate".

The same apathy exists here as with the players. We've had some interesting debates, which is always useful, but I am saddened that people would rather leave their change on a bar rather than put it in a collection box.

Without the enthusiasm of the players and supporters, whats the point?



The apathy you're encountering is just another one of those challenges that in the end will make the journey that much more meaningful.  My suggestions would be as best as possible, educate the local players on what it is you're trying to do.  Contact the clubs (even though I doubt they'll be receptive to the idea) and organize one night after practice when you can go make a 30-minute presentation on the merits of unionization.  Key points to focus on would be salary-negotiation and benefits...including the eventual possibility of a pension for players after they leave the league.

Which brings me to another point...as a union you actually may need to negotiate separately with the Pro League and the TTFF, as there would be many Pro players who won't be governed by issues negotiated with the TTFF.  Already we have outlined the reverse...foreign-based players and their relationship to the issues governing the local professionals.

Bakes, it is clear that you are an educated individual, and very articulate if I may add, but didn't you know that FPATT (de poster) is with the FPA in England and is well aware of the steps and processes that are involved with starting such a union. Don't you think he knows that eventually they would have to negotiate with the pro league etc, but he must first have the support of the players in order to do so, and in the mean time they need $$$ to assist in corralling the players. It's not only about havings meeting with players, this man is based in England not T&T, and as you know we don't have too many folks in T&T that know how to run a players union. History has shown that you need $$$ to get most things off the ground. Bakes we are on the same side, call/email your pro baller friends back home and encourage them to facilitate this. You and I both know how important this is to our ballers, so let's educate them, I have sent several emails to some of my local pro baller friends introducing them to the concept, I suggest you do the same. Let's the ballers ask the questions. Respect
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Bakes on July 27, 2007, 12:44:07 PM


Bakes, it is clear that you are an educated individual, and very articulate if I may add, but didn't you know that FPATT (de poster) is with the FPA in England and is well aware of the steps and processes that are involved with starting such a union.

I know nothing more of FPATT than he has shared on the board...

Don't you think he knows that eventually they would have to negotiate with the pro league etc, but he must first have the support of the players in order to do so, and in the mean time they need $$$ to assist in corralling the players.

I'm sure money is necessary as well...but how does this relate to anything that I posted  ???

 It's not only about havings meeting with players, this man is based in England not T&T, and as you know we don't have too many folks in T&T that know how to run a players union.

I'm aware that he's in England...wasn't suggesting that he do all this himself.  Clearly for the union to take off there needs be a local/Trini presence...the wise assumption would be that establishing such a presence is at the fore of their (FPATT) minds.  Once said presence is established, MEETING with local pros is a necessity to any further progress.  No?

History has shown that you need $$$ to get most things off the ground. Bakes we are on the same side, call/email your pro baller friends back home and encourage them to facilitate this. You and I both know how important this is to our ballers, so let's educate them, I have sent several emails to some of my local pro baller friends introducing them to the concept, I suggest you do the same. Let's the ballers ask the questions. Respect


Well I don't have any connections back home mihself, but yeah...I agree that we need to start drumming up local support for this movement.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 27, 2007, 12:54:23 PM

Bakes, I met with the ProLeague in May. Think this link will take you to Dexter Skeenes comments.

http://www.ttproleague.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=857&Itemid=2


I also spoke to the Tobago Utd squad. Unfortunately, it wasn't possible to meet the other teams. We know that if myself, Shaka, Brent or Kelvin were in T&T we would have 100% membership, but until we have someone like that out there, its going to be difficult. But guys like yourself spreading the word helps.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Bakes on July 27, 2007, 02:33:15 PM

Bakes, I met with the ProLeague in May. Think this link will take you to Dexter Skeenes comments.

http://www.ttproleague.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=857&Itemid=2


I also spoke to the Tobago Utd squad. Unfortunately, it wasn't possible to meet the other teams. We know that if myself, Shaka, Brent or Kelvin were in T&T we would have 100% membership, but until we have someone like that out there, its going to be difficult. But guys like yourself spreading the word helps.

Oh...good stuff FPATT, I wasn't even aware that you guys had already gone this route ..very good  :beermug:  I'm also cheered by the reception of the Pro League to the overtures made by FPATT, now if only their actions can back up their words... :beermug: :beermug:

I also understand first-hand the frustration you face in trying to coordinate something of this magnitude from distance, I've had to put some of my own plans for developing a community-based charity on hold for now while I try to build my own network down there.  I do have one fairly connected contact in the Eastern part of the island, and I will try and give him a call this weekend...Kelvin Jack's old secondary school coach as a matter of fact...we're both alumns of Holy Cross College, in Arima.  Assuming that I AM in fact able to speak to him, what sort of information would you like communicated to the professional players (and former players?).

If you have contact info to pass along you can either post here or you can PM me...I still have your email as well...
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: trinbago on July 27, 2007, 06:13:28 PM
FPATT: Also let us know what type of contributions (aside from monetary which I will also be involved) that we can make from where we are now..give  of small and big examples so everyone can say "hey..I might be able to do this ..or so an so can team up to do that"..etc
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 29, 2007, 06:43:33 AM
FPATT: Also let us know what type of contributions (aside from monetary which I will also be involved) that we can make from where we are now..give  of small and big examples so everyone can say "hey..I might be able to do this ..or so an so can team up to do that"..etc

FPATT needs volunteers on many levels, but even just talking to people about FPATT would help.

There may be many businesses in T&T that would sponsor FPATT in return for having a local player in their advertising.

People can organise small limes to raise money. Hey-who needs an excuse to party? But heres a reason. Get some people together, hold a lime and put out a collection tin. So, you may only raise $20, but you will have a good time doing it!

Maybe some kids football teams could organise a sponsored walk or small goal tourney. Maybe we can get a player to attend and present a prize?

We also need a decent secretary who can become the focal point. Someone that can act as a conduit for information. Maybe someone has a business who can offer to allow their secretary to do some work for us, such as sending letters and emails.

Because we are spread around the world, communication is difficult and we really need someone to act as a hub.

Once we get some dollars, then we will need volunteers to help with the community projects, but that is all in the future.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 29, 2007, 02:30:42 PM
Just a quick question to all on the site.......

Is there any reason that you guys would not put change in a box for FPATT? Surely you must have done this for other causes.

I appreciate the comments made here about players influencing their own destiny etc., but I just wondered if theres something I've missed.

Coca Cola ran a campaign here last season for Championship and league clubs. Every can or bottle you bought had a code that you text in (costing around $2TT per text). You could win £250,000 for your club and every text earned the club of your choice around $1TT. Now, it cost us to do it, but it raised money for your club.

http://www.football-league.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10794~979121,00.html

In the meantime, pleas place a vote, even if its "would not donate"
 
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: trinbago on July 29, 2007, 02:36:44 PM
I would put change in a box...but where will they be? Is this the most effective collections method?
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 29, 2007, 02:40:41 PM
I would put change in a box...but where will they be? Is this the most effective collections method?

Its not the most effective, but if only 10 people out of 700 say they would donate via credit card, it may well be more effective!

Its easy, its ongoing, it requires no commitment and I'm sure people don't mind putting a few cents in a box in a bar.

If we can get boxes chep enough, they could be anywhere. Offices, post offices, shops. Anywhere people get change.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Sam on July 29, 2007, 02:47:55 PM
You cannot put change in a box in T&T, to many small bandits... most of the posters here is based in North America..... how will you have fetes in T&T when most cannot go.... or change in a box, I mean, not a bad idea, but you have to set it up real good..... steal jars maybe !!!! .... :rotfl:

The best way to make money is to have online options with credit cards or bank account numbers where one can wire any money he may want to...

To make FPATT successful you have to make the people what to help out, like have free fun day with the players and have bar b ques and small give-aways etc. Get them involved not let them feel its a one way traffic like the way the TTFF currently operates.... the fans make a team and now they treat us like dogs.... Stern John told de whole stadium after scoring on Guatemala in T&T to f00ck off and twice he did that, in England they would have kicked his ass.....

You can also try to get companies involved with their products like when you buy a beer 5 cents goes to FPATT. Sancho, Stern, Kelvin and Shaka should have enough influence to attract so events. But all players must help out and not leave Kelvin and Sancho to pick up the pieces alone.

Stern is a lazy character on the field, I wonder if he is always like this even off the field.... time for them men to get serious, it seems FPATT is fading.

We have a few wealthy players and I am sure they can also donate something to get things going. Stern, Shaka, Yorke, Scotland, Edwards and Latapy I am sure makes a decent amount. They could help just a little too...

Have players who will benefit from FPATT pay a monthly fee, just a little... like a co-payment.. nothing much, but a little something. And the cost will cover them in-case of anything.

Flex is a man with real ideas, vibes him... very organise fella....
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: trinbago on July 29, 2007, 04:06:27 PM
I endorse Sam's comments...

I am not against the boxes, but I am not sure that is the best way....maybe placing them in places like the banks or KFC outlets might be better served but I dont think this method will maximize contributions

Another thing is...I would be happy to get involved here in NYC to promote something in conjuction with others..but we have to get appearances..for eg..we throw a fete match and Stern appear, or Tallest, or even Cornell Glen...the support is there...yuh just have to use some carrots!
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 29, 2007, 05:06:53 PM
I endorse Sam's comments...

I am not against the boxes, but I am not sure that is the best way....maybe placing them in places like the banks or KFC outlets might be better served but I dont think this method will maximize contributions

Another thing is...I would be happy to get involved here in NYC to promote something in conjuction with others..but we have to get appearances..for eg..we throw a fete match and Stern appear, or Tallest, or even Cornell Glen...the support is there...yuh just have to use some carrots!

The thing is, rather than Stern pay £1,000 in flights and hotels to get there, he may as well just donate the money himself!

I agree that we need to use players to promote events. Im organising a couple of fundraisers in London and Brent, Kelvin and maybe even Coxy will support them. If some of you guys are based in Sunderland, Swansea or Dallas, the guys may come along to an event. But realistically, you can't expect these guys to travel too far. Sorry, but thats the reality.

I would love to have items to give out, but we need money to get the stuff made. Signed shirts are possible, however, we have to buy the shirt first.

I received 30 signed items from teams from all divisions in England. Unfortunately, the people who attended the event we really only interested in the Chelsea Shirt (£500), Man Utd football (£100) Arsenal pennant (£250). The other signed shirts ranging from Bolton to Burnley only fetched £40 each.

I will have difficulty getting more signed shirts, but I have contacts at several Championship, League 1 & League 2 clubs, so I will try to get some from there.

Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on July 30, 2007, 05:52:15 PM
I have to say, I am disapointed in the number of votes cast. However, its been an interesting debate, and I've had several PMs offering donations, so it was worthwhile.
I have two fundraisers in London coming up before xmas and I hope those who said they would support a fundraiser will perhaps organise one themselves wherever they live.

Our website should be going live soon, and we hope to have a paypal account, so those who wish to donate will be able to.

Thanks for your participation and feedback.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: trinbago on July 30, 2007, 08:40:09 PM
Ah have to say FPATT...fuh all the gum bumpin  :yapping: that does go on here,  I am a bit sadened and embarrased by all those who post here on a dialy basis and did not take the time to vote when it counts.. it is real :bs:

Some of allyuh regular posters let we dong :-[
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Bakes on July 31, 2007, 09:13:50 PM
Ah have to say FPATT...fuh all the gum bumpin  :yapping: that does go on here,  I am a bit sadened and embarrased by all those who post here on a dialy basis and did not take the time to vote when it counts.. it is real :bs:

Some of allyuh regular posters let we dong :-[
Well for the record...I voted for the lime thing, but I won't mind bidding on some authentic football jerseys...i doh need big name club or player, just something nice to kick around town in.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Organic on July 31, 2007, 09:16:57 PM
Ah have to say FPATT...fuh all the gum bumpin  :yapping: that does go on here,  I am a bit sadened and embarrased by all those who post here on a dialy basis and did not take the time to vote when it counts.. it is real :bs:

Some of allyuh regular posters let we dong :-[
dais my sentiments exaclty when warriornation have things going on and de regulars who alway shave de best opnion and critisms doh say shit. All de big big supporters in here does cyah pull dye hand ah lil bit self when mankind ask for asistance.
!!!
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: trinbago on July 31, 2007, 09:38:41 PM
A bunch of F***ing   WAGONISTS     IN HERE  !!
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: dcs on July 31, 2007, 10:48:51 PM

Maybe it really only have 38 unique visitors to this thread.
Title: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: E-man on August 08, 2007, 10:38:34 PM
FPATT: Deal with us, Jack.
By: Lasna Liburd (Express).


Players' body rejects Warner offer to meet some on blacklist.

The Football Players' Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) is ready for its first case-and it is a big one. Jack Warner, a FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) special advisor, indicated on Saturday that he is willing to meet some of the nation's blacklisted players in an effort to address the 2006 World Cup bonus dispute, which is already set for the court room.
Warner told T&TFF press officer Shaun Fuentes-who, like Warner, also serves on FIFA and CONCACAF-that he would meet the players individually.
FPATT begged to differ. In a media release issued yesterday, the fledgling association ventured into the controversial issue as they claimed the right to represent the players en bloc with Warner.
"We feel it would be inappropriate for Mr Warner to discuss this situation with individual players," stated the FPATT release.
"However, as (the) TTFF have appointed Mr Warner to speak on their behalf, the players feel that they would be happy to appoint FPATT representatives to speak for them."
If Warner agrees, it might be a significant step towards solving a financial dispute that seemed bound for the local courts although both parties frequently reiterated their preference for an amicable resolution.
The rift hinged on a deal struck between the "Soca Warriors" and Warner, who acted on behalf of the T&TFF, regarding the disbursement of revenue generated from Trinidad and Tobago 's maiden World Cup appearance.
The players, as Warner admitted, were promised 50 per cent of all income but were left disappointed when the T&TFF offered just $141,102 to be split 25 ways-which equated to $5,644.08 per player.
The T&TFF claimed that the figure should take expenses into account but the players disagreed with all subtractions and were skeptical of the audited sheet offered by the local football body.
Sixteen Warriors turned to the local courts for justice last month after several requests for meetings through their attorney, Michael Townley, went unheeded by the T&TFF.
Warner accused the players of greed.
The FIFA bigwig insisted the T&TFF had done nothing wrong but still hinted that the Warriors might be paid extra. He suggested, though, that he was only interested in meeting players who were likely to represent their country in the future.
"The TTFF has given the players all their money," said Warner, via the T&TFF media office, "and some of the guys who are not able to play for T&T again, are just looking for another pay day I intend within the next month to meet with the guys who still have a playing future and explain to them the folly of their ways.
"I have allowed this situation to drag on for a while, so that the guys can see the wrong they do. Who knows, after I meet with them one-on-one, I may even pay them what they want but they must know the errors of their ways."
FPATT suggested they were happy Warner has shown an interest in discussing the matter but insisted that it would be "most convenient" for both parties to communicate through appointed representatives.
The players association, which is led by an interim steering committee headed by president Shaka Hislop and vice-president Clayton "JB" Morris, advised Warner that his proposed meeting with players in London was impractical since "none of the players are London based and will have footballing commitments".
FPATT also expressed an early desire to negotiate contracts for the upcoming 2010 World Cup qualifying campaign.
"Both the players concerned and FPATT welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter with TTFF," stated FPATT. "It has always been the aim of the players and FPATT, for the benefit of football both in T&T and globally, to settle this dispute without the need to attend court.
"FPATT looks forward to being contacted by (the) TTFF or their representative, Mr Warner, to arrange a meeting. FPATT would also like to extend an invitation to Mr Warner, while he is in London , to hold preliminary talks on behalf of (the) TTFF, regarding players' contracts for the forthcoming 2010 World Cup campaign."
FPATT was formed in January 2003 but remained inactive until its launch in May 2007.
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: E-man on August 08, 2007, 10:48:28 PM
FPATT (the forum member), or anyone, do you have the full press release?
Maybe if there is no other content for the fpatt.org site yet there could at least be a list of the press releases.
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: DeSoWa on August 08, 2007, 10:53:14 PM
This looks promising.  :beermug: but doh expect nothing amicable from Jack  :-X

Big Up!
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: Football supporter on August 09, 2007, 02:44:00 AM
FPATT (the forum member), or anyone, do you have the full press release?
Maybe if there is no other content for the fpatt.org site yet there could at least be a list of the press releases.

After consultations with the Trinidad & Tobago international players involved in the current dispute with the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation concerning unpaid World Cup bonuses, FPATT, the Football Players Association of Trinidad & Tobago would like to make the following comments on behalf of the players in response to Mr Jack Warners recent comments in the media.

Both the players concerned and FPATT welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter with TTFF. It has always been the aim of the players and FPATT, for the benefit of football both in T&T and globally, to settle this dispute without the need to attend court.

We feel it would be inappropriate for Mr Warner to discuss this situation with individual players, however, as TTFF have appointed Mr Warner to speak on their behalf, the players feel that they would be happy to appoint FPATT representatives to speak for them. This will also be beneficial to Mr Warner, who has agreed to visit London between his appointments in Canada and Korea. As none of the players are London based and will have footballing commitments, the players feel that this option would be the most convenient for Mr Warner.


FPATT looks forward to being contacted by TTFF or their representative, Mr Warner, to arrange a meeting. FPATT would also like to extend an invitation to Mr Warner while he is in London to hold preliminary talks on behalf of TTFF, regarding players contracts for the forthcoming 2010 World Cup campaign.
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: superoli on August 09, 2007, 03:08:04 AM
Jackula want to divide and conquer....................facking old tief
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: Socafan on August 09, 2007, 09:10:26 AM
FPATT (the forum member), or anyone, do you have the full press release?
Maybe if there is no other content for the fpatt.org site yet there could at least be a list of the press releases.

After consultations with the Trinidad & Tobago international players involved in the current dispute with the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation concerning unpaid World Cup bonuses, FPATT, the Football Players Association of Trinidad & Tobago would like to make the following comments on behalf of the players in response to Mr Jack Warners recent comments in the media.

Both the players concerned and FPATT welcome the opportunity to discuss this matter with TTFF. It has always been the aim of the players and FPATT, for the benefit of football both in T&T and globally, to settle this dispute without the need to attend court.

We feel it would be inappropriate for Mr Warner to discuss this situation with individual players, however, as TTFF have appointed Mr Warner to speak on their behalf, the players feel that they would be happy to appoint FPATT representatives to speak for them. This will also be beneficial to Mr Warner, who has agreed to visit London between his appointments in Canada and Korea. As none of the players are London based and will have footballing commitments, the players feel that this option would be the most convenient for Mr Warner.


FPATT looks forward to being contacted by TTFF or their representative, Mr Warner, to arrange a meeting. FPATT would also like to extend an invitation to Mr Warner while he is in London to hold preliminary talks on behalf of TTFF, regarding players contracts for the forthcoming 2010 World Cup campaign.



WELL DONE FPATT!!!!!! BRAVO :applause: :applause: :applause:

If the 2010 negotiations do come off, make sure that professional communication and accomodations and other such intangibles, are contractual and are high on the agenda, and don't just make it a plain old money issue.

Ahright..we rising.
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: Sando on August 09, 2007, 09:35:31 AM
Well, well......

Lets see what the next move Jack....
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: dcs on August 09, 2007, 09:38:03 AM
It's good that the 16 now have a solid representative to negotiate for them.
Come on people go to the negotiating table please and no ulterior motives....just solving the issue has to be #1


About negotiating the 2010 contracts....that would only come if you'll make progress on this current impasse.  JW will use it as leverage now that you'll mention it so be prepared.  FPATT would have to have signed on a fair amount of players expected to be on the 2010 WC pool to be able to legitimately represent.  Is this an indication that the local players are starting to come on board?
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: WestCoast on August 09, 2007, 09:41:00 AM
allya really feel Jackula go do this with the best of intentions..I ent believe so...is some small print ting he go pull in the future to Cheat de players.
Jaguar doh change spots jus so eh
Good Luck to the Players...all the best
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: trinbago on August 09, 2007, 09:41:55 AM
Record your conversations and get everything in writing and signed.
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: E-man on August 09, 2007, 09:49:36 AM
Morris welcomes meeting with Warner
By: Newsday


Thursday, August 9 2007

FOOTBALL Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) interim vice-president Clayton Morris said his organisation welcomes any discussion concerning the dispute over World Cup bonuses.

Responding to Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation advisor Jack Austin Warner’s recent comments about resolving the payment issue, the ex-Strike Squad captain in a news release yesterday stated, it was always the aim of the association to settle the conflict “without the need to attend court.”

Morris stated that he felt pleased that at least the TTFF and Warner have extended an olive branch by desiring to meet with the players, however, the FPATT official stressed that it would be inappropriate for the FIFA vice-president to undergo discussions with individual players since they are represented by a certified body. Morris pointed out that the organisation is fully functional and will discontinue their court action against the TTFF once they can meet with the TTFF representative and come to an amicable agreement.

The players union will be looking forward to being contacted by the TTFF or Warner to arrange a meeting that is most convenient to both parties. If this convening fails to happen within a suitable space of time then FPATT will take the proactive approach and write to the TTFF requesting an assembly of both bodies.

Morris stated that FPATT will also like to use the opportunity to “hold preliminary talks with the TTFF representative regarding players contracts for the forthcoming 2010 World Cup campaign.”

He also pointed out that players are all ready to assume national duty when called upon but this issue which has dragged on for so long must be settled forthwith.

Football is the career and life of the players and FPATT is entrusted to ensure that their concerns and problems are addressed in the most professional manner.

When asked by Newsday about any animosity between current national captain Densil Theobald and his “blacklisted “ World Cup teammates for the 2007 Gold Cup tournament, Morris pointed out that the players union was in its “teething stage” at that point in time but all the players can now see for themselves that it is necessary to be a member of FPATT.

The organisation, he said, will act as a delegate for all their membership now and in the future.

Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: elan on August 09, 2007, 10:08:28 AM
I guess we have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: dreamer on August 09, 2007, 04:05:52 PM
Ah like how dis FPATT business is being handled. Nice professional communiques. Mature no-nonsense lyrics from Clayton Morris. Classic antidote to divide and rule conspiracy. Well done  :applause:
Ah followin' closely  >:(
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: weary1969 on August 09, 2007, 04:33:09 PM
All yuh have to realize as a history teacher when ever he wasn't absent on FIFA business he feel is 1807 when the house slaves would sell out the field slaves. Jack is 2007 deal with FPATT
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: Socafan on August 09, 2007, 05:12:12 PM
Bet yuh Jack say he eh meeting with no FPATT.

FPATT, has the TTFF ever acknowledged the existence of your organization? I'm curious.
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: weary1969 on August 09, 2007, 06:44:20 PM
No probs doh meet with FPATT. Carlos holds d key once he support he suing brrothers Jack go have to meet with FPATT or let d impasse continue 
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: zuluwarrior on August 09, 2007, 07:39:45 PM
Jack is fighting very hard not to reconize FPATT what he fail to realize we are livin in a time when man eh takin he neither his bullshit any more .
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: Football supporter on August 10, 2007, 05:39:17 AM
Bet yuh Jack say he eh meeting with no FPATT.

FPATT, has the TTFF ever acknowledged the existence of your organization? I'm curious.

To my knowledge, FPATT has never been officially acknowledged by TTFF, CONCACAF or Jack Warner.

I do hope that people will recognise the professionalism within FPATT compared to the statements released on behalf of TTFF. Wherever possible, we try to present clear statements to the press without resorting to petty jibes and personal abuse.

Sometimes, this results in FPATT not reacting as quickly as some may wish, but we hope people understand that this is necessary sometimes.
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: fishs on August 10, 2007, 05:54:09 AM
Bet yuh Jack say he eh meeting with no FPATT.

FPATT, has the TTFF ever acknowledged the existence of your organization? I'm curious.

To my knowledge, FPATT has never been officially acknowledged by TTFF, CONCACAF or Jack Warner.

I do hope that people will recognise the professionalism within FPATT compared to the statements released on behalf of TTFF. Wherever possible, we try to present clear statements to the press without resorting to petty jibes and personal abuse.

Sometimes, this results in FPATT not reacting as quickly as some may wish, but we hope people understand that this is necessary sometimes.

Remember my earlier post about essentially united you stand divided you fall .
What happens if there is disension in the ranks, say 1 or 2 players decide they better off dropping the action?
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: grskywalker on August 10, 2007, 09:46:10 AM
Record your conversations and get everything in writing and signed.

and video taped, yuh want to cover all bases with Jack
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: zuluwarrior on August 10, 2007, 04:09:56 PM
This race iz not for the fastest or the swiftest , this race iz for those who can endure to the very end , stand up FPATT fight for your rights to represent .He jack know that he cannot play with people bread and butter any more because big brother FPATT would be watchin.
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: WestCoast on August 10, 2007, 04:32:22 PM
Record your conversations and get everything in writing and signed.
and video taped, yuh want to cover all bases with Jack
FPATT, dese suggestions are what you need to SHOW Jackula that his BS is OVER....... ;)
Title: Re: Liburd: FPATT: Deal with us, Jack
Post by: WestCoast on August 10, 2007, 04:52:29 PM
Ahright..we rising.
OK, a small musical interlude here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsVkV3AZqqI).
Title: Warner Doubts Meeting with FPATT
Post by: trinbago on August 11, 2007, 11:55:24 PM
Doubts linger about solving football impasse
Saturday, August 11 2007

CARIBBEAN football boss Jack Warner expressed doubt as to whether it is appropriate to meet with the Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) concerning the current impasse between the TTFF and the World Cup players regarding bonus payments.

Speaking to Newsday, Warner indicated that he was skeptical about the validity of the newly formed players organisation.

He stated that he is not against anyone nor does he hold grudges of any kind. Warner said he simply views the issue as a major “difference of opinion.”

The man who holds the office of CFU president stated, however, he feels proper protocol should be followed at all times.

Warner stated that he will speak to the TTFF to determine if negotiations can take place with FPATT.

He pointed out that discussions will only be conducted if the TTFF recognises FPATT as a certified body.

Interim vice-president of FPATT, Clayton Morris conceded to Newsday recently that the players union was in its “teething stage” previously, but they now have things in place and are ready to assume immediate operation. Morris in a media release expressed optimism that the conflict would be settled “without the need to attend court” but the former national captain feels that since the TTFF had requested Warner represent them, then it is only fair that the players have FPATT to speak on their behalf.

The two bodies have been at loggerheads for months with the conflict culminating with FPATT taking the TTFF to court.

In response, the TTFF “blacklisted” most players from the ”Soca Warriors” World Cup squad, and they were not included in the team for the 2007 Gold Cup.

Title: Re: Warner Doubts Meeting with FPATT
Post by: WestCoast on August 12, 2007, 12:01:07 AM
allya see dis man Jackula
his own organisation FIFA wants players to have representation and he back squeezing
plain an simple, Jack you are a BULLY
Title: Re: Warner Doubts Meeting with FPATT
Post by: davidephraim on August 12, 2007, 12:35:36 AM
I can already see TTFF or warner saying that FPATT was not a part of de initial arrangement and were not representing said players at the time of agreement therefore why should they be recognized within this issue.

FPATT I feel have to deal with it strictly on the grounds that the players want them to speak on their behalf the same way that TTFF want Jack to speak on their behalf and hope that stand up.

Warner trying to single out men like carlos, Kenwayne, Cornell, Me Mum, Scotland and all de young boys and handle dem on de side so as to avoid haveing to handle players who will no longer represent like shaka, Marvin, Lawrence, Stern...

I wish FPATT all the luck in the world.. Is time dis impasse done.
Title: Re: Warner Doubts Meeting with FPATT
Post by: trinbago on August 12, 2007, 12:40:38 AM
Isn't FPATT registered with FiFPro which is a FIFA recognized organization..so how can the TTFF not recognize FPATT ??
Title: Re: Warner Doubts Meeting with FPATT
Post by: just cool on August 12, 2007, 04:04:55 AM
Jack warner is ah real devil yes , no doubt!!!!!!!!       negative.
Title: Re: Warner Doubts Meeting with FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on August 12, 2007, 04:29:23 AM
Some corrections to previous statements and comments.

Firstly, FPATT did not take TTFF to court. The blacklisted players sought legal advice independently of FPATT. The players lawyers wrote to TTFF twice, asking which arbitration system they would prefer to use. The lawyers received no reply. The lawywers then went about preparing court action. Then TTFF blacklisted the players.

During this period, the players and then, at the players request, FPATT, requested meetings.

FPATT has applied for membership of FIFPro. This is usually a three year process culminating in full membership. FPATT has met with FIFPro minimum requirements and is moving forward with speed towards associate member status.

The players may select any body or organisation to present their case at meetings etc, but it is up to TTFF whether they choose to recognise that body or meet with them. It does not matter that FPATT were not originally part of the issue. FPATT would be representing the players, not acting on their (FPATTs) own beliefs.
Title: Re: Warner Doubts Meeting with FPATT
Post by: Socafan on August 12, 2007, 08:07:31 AM
Yep as I expected. Jack eh go want to meet with FPATT. I get the sense he cyar handle professional negotiations. Camps neither, which is why Jack asking him to resign. Jack realizing that things changing and inevitably, TTFF have to change or is constant pressure. TTFF has to get some professional personnel. They are being forced to.

And Warner still calling the issue a "difference of opinion"!!? That man mad or what!!? The thing in court and national players blacklisted!! I think he also a little mental.

Let Warner haul his ass 'bout TTFF has to recognize FPATT as a certified body. Imagine he say this after they've been running TTFF like de "sweetdrink shop dong de road" for so many years. TTFF has no choice now but to deal with FPATT.
Title: Re: Warner Doubts Meeting with FPATT
Post by: dcs on August 12, 2007, 10:22:26 AM

FPATT needs to get a substantial number of players to sign on.  That will be a huge factor.  What are the numbers like now?
Title: Re: Warner Doubts Meeting with FPATT
Post by: Bakes on August 12, 2007, 11:05:30 AM
It does not matter that FPATT were not originally part of the issue. FPATT would be representing the players, not acting on their (FPATTs) own beliefs.

That's the sum of it all.  Had the players hired a lawyer instead to represent them would Jack similarly voice issues at the legitimacy of said representation?  FPATT is simply a body representing the players en masse rather than individually.  For all his education Jack is woefully uninformed...either that or it's just his usual empty posturing.

I found is spectacularly funny that he said he has to confer with the TTFF on the legitimacy of meeting with FPATT...he may have well go in a backroom and chat with himself for a couple minutes then come back.
Title: Re: Warner Doubts Meeting with FPATT
Post by: WestCoast on August 12, 2007, 11:09:43 AM
I found is spectacularly funny that he said he has to confer with the TTFF on the legitimacy of meeting with FPATT...he may have well go in a backroom and chat with himself for a couple minutes then come back.
I not even giving him that much credit

the man is a bully

Bakes you might enjoy this article about omnipotency. (http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=913&cid=8&sid=59)
Title: Re: Warner Doubts Meeting with FPATT
Post by: zuluwarrior on August 12, 2007, 11:10:34 AM
Ah know some ah alyuh here see lion of the desert ,yuh see how the muslim tied their  foot with ah  belt so that when the enemy advance they would not run , this iz the way yuh have to fight this man , he iz TTFF but he iz sayin that he have to meet wid TTFF ,the man on games mine games ah hope they explode up his ass.
Title: Re: Warner Doubts Meeting with FPATT
Post by: Bakes on August 12, 2007, 11:36:43 AM
I found is spectacularly funny that he said he has to confer with the TTFF on the legitimacy of meeting with FPATT...he may have well go in a backroom and chat with himself for a couple minutes then come back.
I not even giving him that much credit

the man is a bully

Bakes you might enjoy this article about omnipotency. (http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=913&cid=8&sid=59)

Good gawd, dai'z not ah article...dai'z ah tome, lol


Ah go check it out.
Title: Re: Warner Doubts Meeting with FPATT
Post by: vb on August 12, 2007, 12:43:37 PM
Jack Warner talking about "protocol."

 ;D :rotfl:

Lawd,we should collect these quotes and make a book yes :rotfl: :rotfl:

VB
Title: Re: Warner Doubts Meeting with FPATT
Post by: E-man on August 12, 2007, 12:47:26 PM
Jack Warner talking about "protocol."

 ;D :rotfl:

Lawd,we should collect these quotes and make a book yes :rotfl: :rotfl:

VB

It can be volume 3 after "Bushisms" and "quotes from the Iraqi information minister"
Title: Re: Warner Doubts Meeting with FPATT
Post by: WestCoast on August 12, 2007, 05:38:13 PM
Good gawd, dai'z not ah article...dai'z ah tome, lol
Ah go check it out.
yeah and i had to use about three dictionary
Very good writer
Title: Re: Warner Doubts Meeting with FPATT
Post by: takenoprisoners on August 12, 2007, 07:25:55 PM
I found is spectacularly funny that he said he has to confer with the TTFF on the legitimacy of meeting with FPATT...he may have well go in a backroom and chat with himself for a couple minutes then come back.
I not even giving him that much credit

the man is a bully

Bakes you might enjoy this article about omnipotency. (http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=913&cid=8&sid=59)

Thanks for that read WC. :beermug:
JW thrives on apathy, it is up to us all to change that. Education is the antidote to corrupt leadership whether it is in Africa, in football or in our daily lives.

Quote from the conclusion.
 "I am of the opinion that the rudderless and irresponsible leadership plaguing Africa today can only be checked by a well informed, educated, enlightened and courageous followership that can never be hoodwinked, bribed, intimidated, mesmerised or coerced into mortgaging their welfare and future, or abandoning its concerns and fortunes in the hands of a few, elitist, unscrupulous charlatans, in the corridors of power, who would corner the common weal, and preside over it as a consortium of thieves would; a huge distribution agency to boot. And the only structure ontologically endowed to effect this kind of multi-dimensional awakening in all the strata of human society is Education”6."

 
Title: Re: Warner Doubts Meeting with FPATT
Post by: weary1969 on August 13, 2007, 10:03:35 AM
Let them meet on d steps of the Hall of Justice
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: takenoprisoners on September 27, 2007, 04:25:51 AM
Any FPATT plans to do some fundraising and sign up more players during the Tribute to Shaka on November 30th and Dec 2nd? This sounds like a tailor-made opportunity to launch a major drive for players and raise some funds. Our high profile players need to take the lead.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on September 27, 2007, 05:23:52 AM
I would say that any tribute to Shaka will include his work with FPATT. It shows his commitment to football in T&T. Shaka has also done great work in the past with anti racism in football. So, yes, Shaka will ensure these events are used to promote FPATT.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Coop's on September 27, 2007, 12:34:55 PM
Ah have to say FPATT...fuh all the gum bumpin  :yapping: that does go on here,  I am a bit sadened and embarrased by all those who post here on a dialy basis and did not take the time to vote when it counts.. it is real :bs:

Some of allyuh regular posters let we dong :-[
       I've said certain things when this organization was formed and it was based on my past experiences with organizations like this,i appreciate the hard work you guys are doing but certain things strikes me as to the main purpose of PFATT.I said if PFATT don't have personnel based locally in T&T they going to have problems,i don't think the locals feel like they have anything to benefit,what else besides the money issue the WC players have with the TTFF on the agenda,all our national teams Men/Women have various problems,i've never heard how much our women get paid for a game,what kind of money do Pro players in the country get etc etc people going to be part of something that benefits all not just some,i might be wrong but i thought PFATT was representing all Footballers in the country,a few people/players contributing will not do much because there are a lot more issues to be taken cared off.
       Yapping is a Trini thing we like to yap and this goes on with all of us,the last situation when players was suspended Kelvin Jack was the spokesman nobody supported him and things just died a natural death,we can't blame people nobody putting their money in Football,they not even paying to go and see Football,i know who we blame for all of this but isn't it why PFATT was formed? i guess to right all the wrongs in our Football.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Bakes on September 27, 2007, 01:54:21 PM
Ah have to say FPATT...fuh all the gum bumpin  :yapping: that does go on here,  I am a bit sadened and embarrased by all those who post here on a dialy basis and did not take the time to vote when it counts.. it is real :bs:

Some of allyuh regular posters let we dong :-[
       I've said certain things when this organization was formed and it was based on my past experiences with organizations like this,i appreciate the hard work you guys are doing but certain things strikes me as to the main purpose of PFATT.I said if PFATT don't have personnel based locally in T&T they going to have problems,i don't think the locals feel like they have anything to benefit,what else besides the money issue the WC players have with the TTFF on the agenda,all our national teams Men/Women have various problems,i've never heard how much our women get paid for a game,what kind of money do Pro players in the country get etc etc people going to be part of something that benefits all not just some,i might be wrong but i thought PFATT was representing all Footballers in the country,a few people/players contributing will not do much because there are a lot more issues to be taken cared off.
       Yapping is a Trini thing we like to yap and this goes on with all of us,the last situation when players was suspended Kelvin Jack was the spokesman nobody supported him and things just died a natural death,we can't blame people nobody putting their money in Football,they not even paying to go and see Football,i know who we blame for all of this but isn't it why PFATT was formed? i guess to right all the wrongs in our Football.

FPATT...not PFATT

FPATT is working on establishing a local presence as we speak, which, from what FPATT (the SW member) says includes attracting personnel to be a presence for the Assoc. within in TnT.

Secondly...FPATT isn't representing the WC players, so the organization isn't about "money for a few"...they actually aim to represent local-based professional players..which is to say the players in the Pro League.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: weary1969 on September 27, 2007, 04:08:20 PM
Trinis does only spend money according to Iwer fete after fete. Nuff man here eh even pay dey 25US and join d WN
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on September 27, 2007, 04:28:32 PM
Ah have to say FPATT...fuh all the gum bumpin  :yapping: that does go on here,  I am a bit sadened and embarrased by all those who post here on a dialy basis and did not take the time to vote when it counts.. it is real :bs:

Some of allyuh regular posters let we dong :-[
       I've said certain things when this organization was formed and it was based on my past experiences with organizations like this,i appreciate the hard work you guys are doing but certain things strikes me as to the main purpose of PFATT.I said if PFATT don't have personnel based locally in T&T they going to have problems,i don't think the locals feel like they have anything to benefit,what else besides the money issue the WC players have with the TTFF on the agenda,all our national teams Men/Women have various problems,i've never heard how much our women get paid for a game,what kind of money do Pro players in the country get etc etc people going to be part of something that benefits all not just some,i might be wrong but i thought PFATT was representing all Footballers in the country,a few people/players contributing will not do much because there are a lot more issues to be taken cared off.
       Yapping is a Trini thing we like to yap and this goes on with all of us,the last situation when players was suspended Kelvin Jack was the spokesman nobody supported him and things just died a natural death,we can't blame people nobody putting their money in Football,they not even paying to go and see Football,i know who we blame for all of this but isn't it why PFATT was formed? i guess to right all the wrongs in our Football.



Coops, I'm interested in what makes you think FPATT is not interested in the local based players. Maybe our message isn't getting across clearly enough?
As I have stated so many times, the court case has nothing to do with FPATT, other than it was the catalyst that finally brought about the formation of FPATT.

If the foreign based players didn't have the passion and foresight to form FPATT, the local players would never have formed a strong players union.

To be fair, supporters all around the world don't really give a toss about the politics of football, or even about the corruption prevelant throughout the game globally. As long as supporters get to see their teams, they don't really care. But some of us do. Some of us want to rid football  of the shackles that hold back its development. Then, perhaps, local players will get a fairer deal. For instance, those guys you were all applauding for taking the opportunity of filling the places in the gold cup squad vacated by the blacklisted players, were paid 75% less in match fees than the blacklisted players. And they had to wait weeks for their pay, after intervention by FPATT, and then only got their money once they had returned their kitbags.

That was their reward for playing for TTFF instead of supporting their colleagues. I can understand why they played, but local players have to start to see the big picture. For 34 years players have not been treated with the respect that should go with wearing the red white and black. The eleven guys that take the field for Trinidad & Tobago are the footballing cream selected from the nation. They should not suffer inferior hotels, poor food, non payment of fees, as has happened in the past. 34 years of disrespect. And until they get behind their union, it will be allowed to continue.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Coop's on September 27, 2007, 06:43:47 PM
Ah have to say FPATT...fuh all the gum bumpin  :yapping: that does go on here,  I am a bit sadened and embarrased by all those who post here on a dialy basis and did not take the time to vote when it counts.. it is real :bs:

Some of allyuh regular posters let we dong :-[
       I've said certain things when this organization was formed and it was based on my past experiences with organizations like this,i appreciate the hard work you guys are doing but certain things strikes me as to the main purpose of PFATT.I said if PFATT don't have personnel based locally in T&T they going to have problems,i don't think the locals feel like they have anything to benefit,what else besides the money issue the WC players have with the TTFF on the agenda,all our national teams Men/Women have various problems,i've never heard how much our women get paid for a game,what kind of money do Pro players in the country get etc etc people going to be part of something that benefits all not just some,i might be wrong but i thought PFATT was representing all Footballers in the country,a few people/players contributing will not do much because there are a lot more issues to be taken cared off.
       Yapping is a Trini thing we like to yap and this goes on with all of us,the last situation when players was suspended Kelvin Jack was the spokesman nobody supported him and things just died a natural death,we can't blame people nobody putting their money in Football,they not even paying to go and see Football,i know who we blame for all of this but isn't it why PFATT was formed? i guess to right all the wrongs in our Football.



Coops, I'm interested in what makes you think FPATT is not interested in the local based players. Maybe our message isn't getting across clearly enough?
As I have stated so many times, the court case has nothing to do with FPATT, other than it was the catalyst that finally brought about the formation of FPATT.

If the foreign based players didn't have the passion and foresight to form FPATT, the local players would never have formed a strong players union.

To be fair, supporters all around the world don't really give a toss about the politics of football, or even about the corruption prevelant throughout the game globally. As long as supporters get to see their teams, they don't really care. But some of us do. Some of us want to rid football  of the shackles that hold back its development. Then, perhaps, local players will get a fairer deal. For instance, those guys you were all applauding for taking the opportunity of filling the places in the gold cup squad vacated by the blacklisted players, were paid 75% less in match fees than the blacklisted players. And they had to wait weeks for their pay, after intervention by FPATT, and then only got their money once they had returned their kitbags.

That was their reward for playing for TTFF instead of supporting their colleagues. I can understand why they played, but local players have to start to see the big picture. For 34 years players have not been treated with the respect that should go with wearing the red white and black. The eleven guys that take the field for Trinidad & Tobago are the footballing cream selected from the nation. They should not suffer inferior hotels, poor food, non payment of fees, as has happened in the past. 34 years of disrespect. And until they get behind their union, it will be allowed to continue.
        I'm not saying FPATT does not care about the locals all i said was the emphasis right now seems to be just on those players getting their money because i'm not hearing about any thing else going on,thanks for clearing the air as to the aims and objectives of the organization.You can't blame the locals because these guys don't have the same bargaining powers as the foreign based,they are not treated the same,they are being used when better can't be done,most people think they are not good enough,my hope is that through your organization all players will be treated the same because it's affecting T&T Football.Life really funny,remember when Nakhid stood up to Wim and JW concerning all those things you mentioned above and it was for the team he almost got killed,got rid off,some even thought he should be banned from the country,any how as a veteran of our Football i'll support anything that will better our game,it's good that you all took the initive to start this i hope it's the answer.
       Aye Bakes thanks Breds i got it now FPATT.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on September 27, 2007, 07:36:19 PM
Thanks Coops.

Obviously, the blacklisted players and the court case has been the big news with the media. FPATTS triumphs are tiny compared to those guys struggle.

 We have been lobbying hard to raise funds, but its not easy. Even setting up an office requires expense. Computers, printers, fax, telephone, desks, chairs, filing cabinets, shelving.....the list is endless. We are actively seeking sponsors and donations of those items, but its unlikely that we can just pick up a phone and a business says yes. It all takes time.

So, progress is slow, but we are all encouraged by little victories at this stage.

We have had around a dozen forumites contact us to assist in various ways, and we are really grateful for their offers.

We officially launched in May, so its still early days, but at least many people know are name (although, Coops, most of them spell it correctly!!)

I appreciate your concerns and questions, and it is better for people like yourself to voice your opinions than stay quiet and misinterpret our aims. One of our main aims is to be as open and transparent as possible, so I will continue to release information as quickly as possible.
Title: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members.
Post by: FireBrand on October 01, 2007, 03:52:02 PM
FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members.
By: Randy Bando (ttproleague).


The Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) have been hoping to secure as many Pro League players possible as members but it is proving a tough task. FPATT President and former Trinidad and Tobago international, Shaka Hislop explained that signings haven’t been obtained because of the fact that the Players Association business is still green in the local game.
He said, “We are currently targeting all of the Pro League clubs and players. Our membership numbers probably aren't as high as we would like right now, but maybe that is understandable. This is all very new to the local players and they are waiting to see exactly what we can offer them. In saying that, nearly all of the T&T players currently playing abroad have signed up, as they fully understand and appreciate the need and function of a players’ association. It'll give the players a unified voice and the opportunity to directly affect their own profession.”
“As keenly as we follow local football, we have to get our offerings in place for the general membership. Every now and then we are prompted into action whenever we've been asked, some of those instances have been widely publicized and yet others remained behind closed doors, which is how we'd prefer to conduct our business,” said Hislop.
Hislop also gave some more insight into FPATT over the recent addition of former T&T captain Dwight Yorke as well as other overseas-based players to the association which he adds will be going at length to establish a steady working relationship with the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation.
“Dwight's decision to join FPATT is purely because he feels that even his voice will be better heard in local football by being a part of the organization. Dwight has never been a part of the court action initiated by 16 of his teammates and still doesn't intend to be. As much as people are trying to draw parallels between the two groups, which is understandable, FPATT is only concerned with the broader general membership. The court case has been initiated independently of FPATT and funded independently by FPATT and Dwights understands this,” Hislop stated.
“We certainly hope to meet with the TTFF sooner rather than later. As always we welcome dialogue with the TTFF to address the greater need and concerns of the local game.”
The ex-West Ham standout didn’t hold back on FPATT’s rate of progress though although he joked about not being quite clear on the status of their name with it already being used by the Family Planning Association of Trinidad and Tobago.
He admitted, “At FPATT we're still trying to get our house in order. In that I mean we have to finalise our offerings to our members, what we hope to offer and what we can realistically at these early stages afford to offer. Once we begin to address the concerns of our members we have to be fully prepared for the responsibility. It's imperative that we are fully prepared for that even if means us taking a little longer in launching our programs. Realistically speaking, we're probably ahead of where most would expect us to be at this point in our own development, but there is still a lot of work to be done.”
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members
Post by: morvant on October 01, 2007, 05:35:30 PM
as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF  and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members
Post by: WestCoast on October 01, 2007, 05:45:47 PM
as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF  and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.
that is a BIG hurdle that FPATT has to overcome.
Jackula "run tings"
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members
Post by: Mr Mc on October 01, 2007, 05:57:37 PM
as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF  and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.

That is exactly why they should sign up, because of the 'help' the TTFF has given to the players thus far.  This same help has lead to the WC06 warriors being cheated out of thier just dues.
As long as players think like this, there will be a division amongst the ranks of players that will only benefit TTFF.
Yuh have to say to yourself, why would your employer not want you to be a part of an organization that would benefit your career, help you make smart choices and assist with decision making? hmm whose interest would your employer really be looking out for?
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members
Post by: WestCoast on October 01, 2007, 06:03:25 PM
as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF  and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.
That is exactly why they should sign up, because of the 'help' the TTFF has given to the players thus far.  This same help has lead to the WC06 warriors being cheated out of thier just dues.
As long as players think like this, there will be a division amongst the ranks of players that will only benefit TTFF.
Yuh have to say to yourself, why would your employer not want you to be a part of an organization that would benefit your career, help you make smart choices and assist with decision making? hmm whose interest would your employer really be looking out for?
Yeah, I think that the FPATT has to run information seminars for local players to fully understand from a "Historic" point of view why they need to join.
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members
Post by: Football supporter on October 01, 2007, 06:41:18 PM
as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF  and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.

Think the question you should be asking is why do TTFF think of FPATT as their enemy?

As you have all frequently pointed out, T&T players have been treated poorly since 1973. You have all had complaints about the way the TTFF has been running football.

If FPATT had been in place before Germany, you would still have your best players representing your country and the Gold Cup players would have been paid on time.

FPATT didn't bring the court case. FPATT are there specifically to avoid that kind of confrontation.

So, the local players must decide. Do they just think about themselves as individuals and risk being treated like the Classic squad, the Strike squad and the Soca Warriors, or should they be treated the same as the other 42 national teams that have unions.

They must ask themselves as a group of 200 local based players, why have 45,000 players worldwide joined a players union?

Because of the position of Jack Warner, he can inform TTFF that any nation with an established players union is enjoying a respectful working relationship between the administrators and the players, without the need to get lawyers involved. Which is why FIFA fully support their establishment.

Even the global organisation of players unions, FIFPro, is funded from FIFA tournaments.

The reason that FPATT looks like an enemy of TTFF is because Mr Warner and Mr Camps know that if they recognise FPATT, the players will have to be treated properly, there will have to be financial transparency and players will no longer have to bow down to the administrators.

TTFF use the press to sway public perception. Today, Shaun Fuentes has released 2 articles. The content is exactly the same but rearranged to tell a different story.

In one, Shaka is the returning hero who takes the oppertunity to explain FPATTs current status and difficulties in an honest and open manner. In the other, Shaka is president of a failing organisation that hasn't got off the ground.

Ask yourself, why did Fuentes need to release two articles with exactly the same content?

Morvant, you're a bright guy, but you chose to  comment on the negative article. Can't you guys see how you're being manipulated? Its the old glass half empty/half full trick. You take a story and change its slant depending on which message you want to get across.

There are people on this site - not FPATT members- who will tell you the truth about FPATT. I personally am working on 6 FPATT projects, and spent most of the weekend communicating with people. Like you guys, I have to earn a living. FPATT has no funds to pay me. So I  work on FPATT in the evenings and weekends. As I've mentioned before, we are moving slowly, purely due to lack of funds and manpower.

But we are making progress, and you will see these projects come to fruitition.

Its easy for TTFF to try to belittle FPATT. They have an office, paid staff, and, if the government are to believed, $173 million TT over the last 2 years to play with.

So, I ask the forum, if you were to start an organisation today, how would you pay for an office, furnish it, provide computers, telephones, fax machnes, appoint staff, raise funds, recruit members, deal with the press, pay the utility bills, build a website, travel abroad to meetings and fit in a full time job as well?

I don't mean to be bitter, but its very frustrating when you work for something you believe in and people are ready to criticise rather than ask themselves "how can I help?"

So, to answer Morvants point. If I was a local player, I would look at TTFFs recent record of assisting players to get contracts overseas. I would wonder how I'm going to earn a cap when no reputable country will play T&T. If I do earn a cap, am I going to be paid in loose change, or will I receive a decent match fee, as the guys were paid before the world cup. Would the TTFF hold back my pay until I return the kitbag that they've received free of charge. If I'm injured overseas, will they just leave me there alone. If I'm injured and my clubs contract expires, will I be left to fend for myself until I can get myself fit again and get a new club. And I would wonder if I wanted to be first choice in a team that struggles against inferior opponents or part of a squad that plays in SA 2010.

FPATT is not an enemy of TTFF. And the players should realise that if they stand alone, they will fall alone. Our logo is a players huddle, purposely to illustrate that when players stand together they achieve a great deal more.

Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members
Post by: Socafan on October 01, 2007, 07:03:48 PM
as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF  and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.
Look de answer to dis here Morvant. Still, yuh right, FPATT needs to do a better job of getting the word out amongst the players.

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So, to answer Morvants point. If I was a local player, I would look at TTFFs recent record of assisting players to get contracts overseas. I would wonder how I'm going to earn a cap when no reputable country will play T&T. If I do earn a cap, am I going to be paid in loose change, or will I receive a decent match fee, as the guys were paid before the world cup. Would the TTFF hold back my pay until I return the kitbag that they've received free of charge. If I'm injured overseas, will they just leave me there alone. If I'm injured and my clubs contract expires, will I be left to fend for myself until I can get myself fit again and get a new club. And I would wonder if I wanted to be first choice in a team that struggles against inferior opponents or part of a squad that plays in SA 2010.

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Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members
Post by: Football supporter on October 01, 2007, 07:07:30 PM
as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF  and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.
Look de answer to dis here Morvant. Still, yuh right, FPATT needs to do a better job of getting the word out amongst the players.

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So, to answer Morvants point. If I was a local player, I would look at TTFFs recent record of assisting players to get contracts overseas. I would wonder how I'm going to earn a cap when no reputable country will play T&T. If I do earn a cap, am I going to be paid in loose change, or will I receive a decent match fee, as the guys were paid before the world cup. Would the TTFF hold back my pay until I return the kitbag that they've received free of charge. If I'm injured overseas, will they just leave me there alone. If I'm injured and my clubs contract expires, will I be left to fend for myself until I can get myself fit again and get a new club. And I would wonder if I wanted to be first choice in a team that struggles against inferior opponents or part of a squad that plays in SA 2010.

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Point taken.
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members
Post by: legal alien on October 01, 2007, 07:20:04 PM
as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF  and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.

 that is  a smart thought.  i think they should mainly sign up the more important players though. just an opinion.
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members
Post by: Mr Mc on October 01, 2007, 08:30:55 PM
as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF  and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.

 that is  a smart thought.  i think they should mainly sign up the more important players though. just an opinion.

i cant tell if that was a serious answer or not.
who are the 'more important' players?
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members
Post by: WestCoast on October 01, 2007, 08:33:42 PM
i cant tell if that was a serious answer or not.
who are the 'more important' players?
good observation Mr MC
i would say that EVERY single player who wants to Represent TnT is "an important" player ;)
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members
Post by: trinbago on October 01, 2007, 10:02:16 PM
FPATT, again I am embarassed to see some of the questions you are posed with as well as comments from some of the more established and so called "informed" people on this board.

Lord put ah hand ! :-[
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members
Post by: Bakes on October 01, 2007, 10:08:56 PM
FPATT, again I am embarassed to see some of the questions you are posed with as well as comments from some of the more established and so called "informed" people on this board.

Lord put ah hand ! :-[

Don't be...good bet is that if one person posts it there are others out there who are thinking it.  At least their posting the questions presents an opportunity for FPATT to clear up some misconceptions.
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 01, 2007, 10:56:28 PM
FPATT, again I am embarassed to see some of the questions you are posed with as well as comments from some of the more established and so called "informed" people on this board.

Lord put ah hand ! :-[

Don't be...good bet is that if one person posts it there are others out there who are thinking it. At least their posting the questions presents an opportunity for FPATT to clear up some misconceptions.

Excellent response Bake n Shark. To offer a crude analogy, if a woman is accostomed to being treated like a piece of rubbish and another man comes offering flowers and sweet talk she must obviously be suspicious, and she will have to be careful the husband does not find out. But come what may she must either realize her worth and leave OR stay keep the staus quo. Watch closely at who are among the first to join FPATT. As they say you always know a persons true character when they are confronted by the unknown.
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members.
Post by: Midknight on October 02, 2007, 04:20:56 AM
as local i wouldnt sign up cause FPATT looking like an enemy of TTFF  and them locals still need ttff to help them get contracts overseas and desparate fuh ah cap.

Think the question you should be asking is why do TTFF think of FPATT as their enemy?

As you have all frequently pointed out, T&T players have been treated poorly since 1973. You have all had complaints about the way the TTFF has been running football.

If FPATT had been in place before Germany, you would still have your best players representing your country and the Gold Cup players would have been paid on time.

FPATT didn't bring the court case. FPATT are there specifically to avoid that kind of confrontation.

So, the local players must decide. Do they just think about themselves as individuals and risk being treated like the Classic squad, the Strike squad and the Soca Warriors, or should they be treated the same as the other 42 national teams that have unions.

They must ask themselves as a group of 200 local based players, why have 45,000 players worldwide joined a players union?

Because of the position of Jack Warner, he can inform TTFF that any nation with an established players union is enjoying a respectful working relationship between the administrators and the players, without the need to get lawyers involved. Which is why FIFA fully support their establishment.

Even the global organisation of players unions, FIFPro, is funded from FIFA tournaments.

The reason that FPATT looks like an enemy of TTFF is because Mr Warner and Mr Camps know that if they recognise FPATT, the players will have to be treated properly, there will have to be financial transparency and players will no longer have to bow down to the administrators.

TTFF use the press to sway public perception. Today, Shaun Fuentes has released 2 articles. The content is exactly the same but rearranged to tell a different story.

In one, Shaka is the returning hero who takes the oppertunity to explain FPATTs current status and difficulties in an honest and open manner. In the other, Shaka is president of a failing organisation that hasn't got off the ground.

Ask yourself, why did Fuentes need to release two articles with exactly the same content?

Morvant, you're a bright guy, but you chose to  comment on the negative article. Can't you guys see how you're being manipulated? Its the old glass half empty/half full trick. You take a story and change its slant depending on which message you want to get across.

There are people on this site - not FPATT members- who will tell you the truth about FPATT. I personally am working on 6 FPATT projects, and spent most of the weekend communicating with people. Like you guys, I have to earn a living. FPATT has no funds to pay me. So I  work on FPATT in the evenings and weekends. As I've mentioned before, we are moving slowly, purely due to lack of funds and manpower.

But we are making progress, and you will see these projects come to fruitition.

Its easy for TTFF to try to belittle FPATT. They have an office, paid staff, and, if the government are to believed, $173 million TT over the last 2 years to play with.

So, I ask the forum, if you were to start an organisation today, how would you pay for an office, furnish it, provide computers, telephones, fax machnes, appoint staff, raise funds, recruit members, deal with the press, pay the utility bills, build a website, travel abroad to meetings and fit in a full time job as well?

I don't mean to be bitter, but its very frustrating when you work for something you believe in and people are ready to criticise rather than ask themselves "how can I help?"

So, to answer Morvants point. If I was a local player, I would look at TTFFs recent record of assisting players to get contracts overseas. I would wonder how I'm going to earn a cap when no reputable country will play T&T. If I do earn a cap, am I going to be paid in loose change, or will I receive a decent match fee, as the guys were paid before the world cup. Would the TTFF hold back my pay until I return the kitbag that they've received free of charge. If I'm injured overseas, will they just leave me there alone. If I'm injured and my clubs contract expires, will I be left to fend for myself until I can get myself fit again and get a new club. And I would wonder if I wanted to be first choice in a team that struggles against inferior opponents or part of a squad that plays in SA 2010.

FPATT is not an enemy of TTFF. And the players should realise that if they stand alone, they will fall alone. Our logo is a players huddle, purposely to illustrate that when players stand together they achieve a great deal more.

Great response.

However in all fairness, the 'negative' article isn't Fuentes', nor the TTFF's
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members
Post by: Coop's on October 02, 2007, 10:00:33 AM
i cant tell if that was a serious answer or not.
who are the 'more important' players?
good observation Mr MC
i would say that EVERY single player who wants to Represent TnT is "an important" player ;)
        West Coast what you have said here is right and the way it should be but you as well as i know reality tells us different,if any one on here have ever represented this country you will know how the locals feel,and why they have to be convinced to join FPATT,these guys are called Pros because they play in a league called a Pro League but it's just some players getting small change to play Football,does every player in the Pro league get paid?when a national squad is called up to train look at who gets called up and look at who plays the actual game,we call a bunch of guys who knows there is no chance they will make it because the foreign based are coming,these guys are never sure of what to expect,what the future holds for them,it has always been this way,there is nothing guaranteed,if we make it we used to say we lucky,every thing now is basically new to the locals and we have to put ourselves in their shoes,i'm sure most of them still have a regular job and play Football.
       It's nice to know there is an organization called FPATT going to try and take care of players interest,it's something that Players never had but needs,if Players can have that peace of mind they can give more to the game,you can definitely see the difference in Players after they leave our shores because it's business a different mentality,purpose,future,in other words it's life.
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members.
Post by: Tongue on October 02, 2007, 10:15:24 AM
Players also will need help in dealing with the Pro League and their clubs. So doh get only tie'up with TTFF.
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members.
Post by: weary1969 on October 02, 2007, 11:35:07 AM
I have zero tolearnce 4 dotish peeps If dey cyah see d importance of FPATT leff dem in dey mess
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members.
Post by: morvant on October 02, 2007, 11:49:05 AM
how you could come down to ah player from tobago united and tell him join your club, and charge him ah fee tell him yuh go take care ah him den leave on the next flight to england???

as soon as that same feller get called up and dey see he is part of a club that sue them.

allyuh need to start posting from yuh heart and what you truely feel. trust meh it does feel better than having the general board agreeing with yuh.
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members.
Post by: Tallman on October 02, 2007, 12:43:15 PM
as soon as that same feller get called up and dey see he is part of a club that sue them.
But FPATT eh sue nobody.
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members.
Post by: Bakes on October 02, 2007, 02:53:36 PM
how you could come down to ah player from tobago united and tell him join your club, and charge him ah fee tell him yuh go take care ah him den leave on the next flight to england???

as soon as that same feller get called up and dey see he is part of a club that sue them.

allyuh need to start posting from yuh heart and what you truely feel. trust meh it does feel better than having the general board agreeing with yuh.
I doubt anybody here posting tuh have de board agree with them...least of all not me.  FPATT is not a club...it's a Union.  When Buzz Butler was trying to form the Oilfield Workers Trade Union in the 30s you think the colonial powers that be were happy?  Of course not, they charged him with sedition and jailed him for 7 years.  They released him and then jailed him again...all because he was agitating for workers rights.  These footballers aren't toiling under the same dangerous conditions as the oil workers before them...but their situation isn't any less unfair. 

The TTFF 'colonial powers' have the players over a barrel and it will take a major gut-check...say nothing of an attitude adjustment for them to stand up to the TTFF and demand a more equitable situation.  More even distribution of income, better player agreements, better conditions when on national duty, endowment of a player pension for ex-national team members...the list goes on and on.

How anyone in their right minds can oppose this is beyond me.
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members.
Post by: Football supporter on October 02, 2007, 03:59:15 PM
Back in 1907, the Man Utd players who formed the worlds first players union were banned from football. Today, football unions are accepted and encouraged......apart from in countries where there is something to be afraid of.

What I cannot understand is why guys playing for Jabloteh and W Connection think they don't need to join something that John Terry, Ronaldo, Essien, Henry, Zidane and 45,000 other professional footballers have joined?

As some people have mentioned, its down to education. However, most of you guys have realised the benefits and you don't kick a ball to earn your dollars, so why don't they?

My big question, as always, is....why don't they make contact and ask about FPATT?
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members.
Post by: dcs on October 02, 2007, 04:24:22 PM
I think it would help if the local committee members were more visible and vocal about it...not just the ones abroad.
Leonson, Clayton...those guys in contact with the local players on a regular.  If it is they are in fact talking to them but people are not signing up then you really need to know why and let them speak openly like what morvant talking about.

I think it was said before some of them adopting a wait and see approach...especially considering the court case and FPATT have effectively been wound up as one...right now it doesn't seem possible to separate the two even if is just perceptions.  Even the foreign media say FPATT was formed to see about the court case and they had the press release in writing in front of them!
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members.
Post by: Coop's on October 02, 2007, 07:26:30 PM
I just have two questions here,locally who would you consider that is players presently playing,commands any respect from the TTFF?would the foreigners playing in the Pro league be part off or get help from FPATT?
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members.
Post by: trinbago on October 02, 2007, 08:49:42 PM
FPATT

I have a suggestion which you may have already tried but you be the judge.

Why not have this information for the players to join FPATT come from the coaches and upper management of each of the clubs. I know you have had meetings already, (Jabloteh I think) or was it for all who wanted to attend, to explain the position and importance of FPATT.

However, instead of trying to explain to a youth or PFL "professional" the importance of joining a players union, if it was indirectly mandated by management and reinforced by coaches and captains as to its importance, FPATT may get further faster. That is, if management says "if you want to play for my club we strongly encourage our players to join FPATT".

Granted, this is a form of force feeding members to join.
Some might say..."You can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"
I say "force a little of the water down the horse throat cause once it gets the taste there is no turning back"
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members.
Post by: Bakes on October 02, 2007, 10:57:37 PM
FPATT

I have a suggestion which you may have already tried but you be the judge.

Why not have this information for the players to join FPATT come from the coaches and upper management of each of the clubs. I know you have had meetings already, (Jabloteh I think) or was it for all who wanted to attend, to explain the position and importance of FPATT.

However, instead of trying to explain to a youth or PFL "professional" the importance of joining a players union, if it was indirectly mandated by management and reinforced by coaches and captains as to its importance, FPATT may get further faster. That is, if management says "if you want to play for my club we strongly encourage our players to join FPATT".

Granted, this is a form of force feeding members to join.
Some might say..."You can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"
I say "force a little of the water down the horse throat cause once it gets the taste there is no turning back"

Lol..never happen.

Management and Unions are like oil and water...they know what a threat an organized player body will be.  Allyuh feel this FPATT thing is just about the TTFF?? It's about the players rights in every arena...including their dealings with their professional club.  Can you imagine GM telling a factory applicant that he HAS to join the United Automotive Workers Union??  They'd faster slip him an extra $5,000 to not join.
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members.
Post by: Diambars on October 03, 2007, 02:08:24 AM
Change is never easy to implement, muchless change of this magnititude.  Some of you are accusing the players of being "dotish" etc., but has anyone consider the magnititude of the change that i s being asked of them and that this will be a slow process?  First, they have to be educated on the purpose, benefits and potential initial consequence, along with the long term benefit.  This may need to be done on an individual basis on in small groups.  Also, we may need to come to terms with the fact that the concept of a union may serve the next generation of players and not this generation.  But FPATT could probably use more positive contribution than criticism at this stage because they have done the hard work which was getting it started.
Title: Re: FPATT at crawling stage to sign Pro League players as members.
Post by: Football supporter on October 03, 2007, 03:25:42 AM
In many companies in the UK you have to choose NOT to join the union. This is called a "closed shop" where there is only one union allowed. Management would rather deal with one union and build a relationship than loads of different unions with their own agendas.

Other companies have works committees, which are independent from the business. They work the same as unions, except they are funded by the company. As they are not affiliated to other unions, outside industrial matters do not effect them. i.e. if train drivers go on strike, the works committee would not be expected to support them.

In England, and some other countries, as soon as you sign professional players with an English club, you agree to join PFA and pay subs. You have to physically opt out.  Players often ask me how they go about joining and I explain that they've been members since they signed Pro!

This has been made part of the contract with the club and FA, so you can see that the PFA is supported by both clubs and administrators.

If FPATT are ever recognised by TTFF, this is how membership should be tackled in the future.

To answer Coops questions any player playing in the ProLeague can be a member. As for commanding respect with TTFF, I would think Carlos is the main one as he was not involved in the court case.   
Title: World body recognises FPATT.
Post by: Flex on October 13, 2007, 05:00:33 AM
World body recognises FPATT.
By: Ian Prescott (Express).
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Moving Ahead

Trinidad and Tobago's ambitious attempt to establish a football players association has been recognised by the Fédération International de Footballeurs Professionels (FIFPro), who are on the verge of making the fledging organisation its 43rd full member. FIFPro, is a world-wide representative organisation for professional football players, of which 42 national players associations are members.
Yesterday, the recently-established Football Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) announced that they are on the verge of world recognition, and also that their struggle to protect T&T footballers is also gaining Caribbean interest.
These were among the revelations yesterday at a symposium held by the local Trinidad and Tobago Pro League at the VIP Lounge, Hasely Crawford Stadium. The symposium was well-attended, drawing representatives from all 10 clubs that play professional football in T&T.
Present yesterday, were Dexter Skeene, CEO of the T&T Pro League; Neil 'Shaka' Hislop, FPATT's interim president; vice-president Clayton Morris; and Alison Ayres, the Players Association's general secretary.
Ayres announced that T&T's status is currently that of a candidate member, but is soon to be upgraded.
"There are certain criteria and a process by which you would obtain full membership. We have met the criteria in terms of the organisation being legitimate, our membership drive has started, and being a candidate member means that they have recognised us as an organisation representing footballers in Trinidad and Tobago, and by extension the overseas-based."
He added: "They have now started officially with a view of us obtaining full membership. As a matter of fact, we have already been invited to a conference in Barcelona where this will all be made official, and we expect to have a letter forwarded to us very soon," Ayres declared.
Ayres said he had also spoken to several Caribbean players playing in T&T and also had correspondence with Caribbean persons, all of whom are interested in also having players associations established in their countries.
"I have spoken to some of the Caribbean players who play here, and they have a similar interest. So across the board, it should spread across the Caribbean region with a view of improving the professionalism of the game throughout the region."
Also addressing the gathering was Hislop, the now retired "Soca Warriors" goalkeeper, who has played with English Premier League clubs West Ham, Newcastle and finally the Major League Soccer (MLS) outfit, FC Dallas in the United States.
Hislop wanted to allay fears that FPATT would take a confrontational stance with either the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) or local clubs. He said a football players association should be a norm and recalled his own experience in England.
"As a player in England, this came with signing your pro contract. As I signed a pro contract, I was immediately made a member of the PFA (English Professional Players Association). So, a lot of concerns were taken away from me....and happily so, I must say."
"We (FPATT) don't anticipate strikes, conflicts, or war of words in the press. We would like to deal with disagreements quietly behind closed doors, and I feel we can do that. I feel that both our efforts will only serve to take Trinidad and Tobago Football forward, Hislop said, while Skeene remarked that the T&T Pro League fully endorsed FPATT.
"The reason we invited the Association's representatives here is because the league has seen it fit, and the league fully endorses the players association. We have said repeatedly, our players are our number one asset."
Both Randolph Jerome, North East Stars Guyanese striker, and W Connections Leslie "Tiger" Fitzpatrick encouraged players to join FPATT, and so access its benefits such as insurance protection during their playing careers and the possibility of earning a pension after retirement.
Fitzpatrick, who has already signed up, recalled that Cornell Glen, Anthony Noriega and himself were all injured while playing with the Trinidad and Tobago national football team, and noted that there is a lot of uncertainty in a footballer's career.
Title: Re: World body recognises FPATT.
Post by: dreamer on October 13, 2007, 05:12:25 AM
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Title: Re: World body recognises FPATT.
Post by: royal on October 13, 2007, 06:09:37 AM
Not surprising de Pro League endorse FPATT.Remember Skeene and Hislop go back to school days at CIC.
Title: Re: World body recognises FPATT.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on October 13, 2007, 09:46:30 AM
Nice moves by FPATT, TTPL, Jerome and Tiger.
Title: Re: World body recognises FPATT.
Post by: Sam on October 13, 2007, 09:47:56 AM
The local players should not hesitate to join up....

Good job Shaka... now go challenge Oliver Camps for his position, elections is around the corner, unless Jack decide to give his son Darryl Warner or Michael McComie his position. Every elections Jack vote for Camps and Camps votes for Jack....  real democracy we dealing with.....  :devil:
Title: Re: World body recognises FPATT.
Post by: Bakes on October 13, 2007, 11:05:02 AM
Incredibly good news and one that likely will prove memorable for FPATT in the years to come.



slightly off topic...isn't "Shaka" de man given name...is why they quoting it like ah nickname ???
Title: Re: World body recognises FPATT.
Post by: Tallman on October 13, 2007, 11:08:24 AM
slightly off topic...isn't "Shaka" de man given name...is why they quoting it like ah nickname ???
De only probable reason is because it is his middle name. His first name is Neil.
Title: Re: World body recognises FPATT.
Post by: Bakes on October 13, 2007, 11:48:28 AM
slightly off topic...isn't "Shaka" de man given name...is why they quoting it like ah nickname ???
De only probable reason is because it is his middle name. His first name is Neil.
See that's what I saying too...Trini journalists juss like tuh play they in thing sometimes, lol.

Thanks for confirming.
Title: Re: World body recognises FPATT.
Post by: PATRIOT on October 13, 2007, 01:13:04 PM
slightly off topic...isn't "Shaka" de man given name...is why they quoting it like ah nickname ???
De only probable reason is because it is his middle name. His first name is Neil.

You ARE 100% correct. His First name IS Neil and Shaka is his middle name
Title: Re: World body recognises FPATT.
Post by: weary1969 on October 13, 2007, 05:29:29 PM
FYI Kona is Terrence
Title: Re: World body recognises FPATT.
Post by: Bakes on October 13, 2007, 05:45:16 PM


You ARE 100% correct. His First name IS Neil and Shaka is his middle name
Yeah...figured as much, but Shaka being a given name it's just silly to put it in quotes, but that's Trini journalism for you.
Title: Re: World body recognises FPATT.
Post by: weary1969 on October 14, 2007, 12:02:45 PM
Trini journalismis ah oxymoron. Fellas who does write essay in d newspaper more accurate
Title: Re: World body recognises FPATT.
Post by: Bakes on October 14, 2007, 12:09:15 PM
Trini journalismis ah oxymoron. Fellas who does write essay in d newspaper more accurate
We have some men who real gifted with the pen...men like Terry Joseph, Keith Smith...BC Pires...even older heads like Lloyd Best and Ken Gordon himself.  But sweet jeebus I dunno what has become of journalism in TnT.  Is like they hire a bunch of people straight outta secondary school and put them in front ah computer out of sheer necessity.  As we were discussing in another thread though, it's not all the fault of the writers because even the best among us make mistakes...one really has to wonder if the editors are asleep there at the wheel.

EDIT: Apologies to the women writers...but none of them really impressed me, good writers all...but the language at times tends to be too frivolous and flowery.  There was one young journalist I encountered a couple years ago and was thoroughly impressed by her obvious mastery of the prose, but I can't recall her name right now.
Title: DOES ANYONE KNOW - CALLING FPATT?
Post by: Diambars on October 16, 2007, 08:04:38 AM
Does anyone know what the WC receive for match fees prior to and during the WC?  And how does it compare to what the players are receiving now?
Title: Re: DOES ANYONE KNOW - CALLING FPRATT?
Post by: Peong on October 16, 2007, 09:14:06 AM
FPATT

I remember back in de qualifying for 2002 there was a list of match fees that was published when Rahim was still in college.
Do a search.
Title: FPATT on Soca Warriors Online.
Post by: Flex on November 20, 2007, 10:43:37 PM
FPATT Page (http://www.socawarriors.net/FPATT.htm).

 ;D
Title: Re: FPATT on Soca Warriors Online.
Post by: weary1969 on November 20, 2007, 10:54:59 PM
Lovely no man is an island we all need each other especially with d vampires around. Let's rally round FPATT
Title: Re: FPATT on Soca Warriors Online.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on November 21, 2007, 02:11:57 AM
 :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: FPATT on Soca Warriors Online.
Post by: dreamer on November 21, 2007, 05:30:22 AM
Well done. Well done. More progress. Let the word get out  :applause:
Title: Re: FPATT on Soca Warriors Online.
Post by: Sam on November 21, 2007, 05:54:17 AM
I guess if Flex doh step forward nobody else will step up. FPATT website taking forever to launch.

EXCELLENT WORK Flex ... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this will definately help FPATT get started. And de page wicked to.... nice wording......
Title: Re: FPATT on Soca Warriors Online.
Post by: lickslikefire on November 21, 2007, 06:50:52 AM
jes curious...is carlos edwards a member of FPATT, cause he not on the list?...i saw him on friday in the FPATT social and he was wearing a FPATT shirt

great work as usual flex
Title: Re: FPATT on Soca Warriors Online.
Post by: dinho on November 21, 2007, 07:06:23 AM
nicely done..

just a note though, please fix this typo:

Never back away from a challenging opportunity because you lack the knowledge.
You can always acquire knowledge.
PHATT is here for you.
Know your rights.
Help make a difference.
Title: Re: FPATT on Soca Warriors Online.
Post by: Sando on November 21, 2007, 09:03:27 AM
:applause:  :applause:  :applause:  :applause:

Flex deserve to be honoured by the T&T government or Sport Minister for his none stop hard work and for serving his country well, more than many others realised...... he works harder than many at the TTFF, in fact all.....
Title: Re: FPATT on Soca Warriors Online.
Post by: Bakes on November 21, 2007, 09:32:43 AM
I guess if Flex doh step forward nobody else will step up. FPATT website taking forever to launch.

EXCELLENT WORK Flex ... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this will definately help FPATT get started. And de page wicked to.... nice wording......
How allyuh so fella?  How you know Flex didn't do this in conjunction with FPATT or at their bidding?
Title: Re: FPATT on Soca Warriors Online.
Post by: E-man on November 21, 2007, 10:22:29 AM
jes curious...is carlos edwards a member of FPATT, cause he not on the list?...i saw him on friday in the FPATT social and he was wearing a FPATT shirt

great work as usual flex

Edwards and others working professionally outside of T&T can only be associate members I believe. You need to be a pro footballer within T&T (Pro league) to be a full member.
Title: Re: FPATT on Soca Warriors Online.
Post by: Star Child on November 21, 2007, 11:17:09 AM
Very professional indeed !!!!!
Title: Re: FPATT on Soca Warriors Online.
Post by: Football supporter on November 22, 2007, 05:27:51 AM
This is all the work of Flex. There will be a full website coming, and we have had several changes of personnel which has slowed things down. I cannot keep expressing enough that ALL of our delays are purely down to lack of money.

We have volunteers working for us and they can only work for us in their spare time. Flex just went ahead and put this page on here and he's done a fantastic job. I wish there were more with his enthusiasm.

The list of members should actually read "board members".

Carlos is an affiliated FPATT member, as is Kenwyne and most of the UK based guys.

Thanks again Flex :applause: :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: FPATT on Soca Warriors Online.
Post by: Sando on November 22, 2007, 07:31:36 AM
What I do not understand is, half the members have a decent amount of money that they can donate to help with small stuff such as this. Yorke, Hislop, John, Edwards, Jones etc etc....

Exactly what does these members do for FPATT ?

And who is the list of full members ?

Come on guys, you have to unite and you should consider having Flex on-board.... de man just dont talk, he do....

I know FPATT might be expensive to run, but with unity the work will become easier for everyone. Flex made a big move here, why not just turn his page that into your official page and put the money towards something different then ?
Title: Re: FPATT on Soca Warriors Online.
Post by: dreamer on November 22, 2007, 08:34:26 AM
Ah jess want tuh say thanks to men who have personal career struggles and stresses to overcome but still sacrifice fuh others. Man like Sancho who in dis ting from day one, stickin' wit' he principles despite being very vulnerable. Men like Kelvin Jack same way, who in addition, save dat deflected bullet at de last second!! in Bahrain to get us to Juhmany.

FPATT couldn't have chosen more of a class act with men like Rougier whom I admire and Clayton who is Mr responsible and no-nonsense..... Cyd from Tobago ever ready to ress dong a blade at 100 mph whenever asked  :rotfl:

Yuh seein' committed fellas like Leslie Fitzpatrick and heroes like Leonson, Stern and de list goes on and on. Allyuh make real proud dread. Niceness

Sanch ah jess hope everyting goes ok for you for this upcoming transfer window. Kelvin, good look wit' de full healing of yuh injuries.

Before ah fuhget that "hungry wolf-ula" on de FPATT web page is de hardest.  :rotfl:  :rotfl:
Classic!
Title: Re: FPATT on Soca Warriors Online.
Post by: Sam on November 23, 2007, 05:26:06 AM
Before ah fuhget that "hungry wolf-ula" on de FPATT web page is de hardest.  :rotfl:  :rotfl:
Classic!

For real !!!!!  :rotfl:
Title: FPATT join global family
Post by: E-man on November 24, 2007, 11:44:23 AM
FPATT join global family
By: Express.


Saturday, November 24th 2007

The Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) took its place alongside its global partners from Thursday when the local body attended the FIFPro (Federation of International Football Professionals) annual congress in Barcelona, Spain.

T&T Strike Squad captain and FPATT vice-president Clayton "JB" Morris is representing the fledgling local body in the absence of president Shaka Hislop, who is unavailable.

Before departing for Spain, Morris said he hoped FPATT's presence in Barcelona indicates that the organisation takes its job seriously and is here to stay.

"We want people to know that we are not asleep," said Morris. "A lot of players tried before to get an organisation off the ground but they never got this far."

FIFPro, which is headed by English Players Association president Gordon Taylor, boasts of 42 member nations including two CONCACAF nations-Mexico and the United States-and is recognised by FIFA as "the sole representative of the players". As such, all FIFPro affiliated players' associations "should also be recognised by national and international football associations".

Morris admitted that FPATT had still not caught the attention of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF).

The T&TFF held its annual general meeting last Sunday and re-elected its entire board unopposed for another four-year term. Morris believes that, in the future, FPATT should be included in such important meetings involving football's decision makers.

"We should have a part to play in the decisions involving football," said Morris. "So far, we have not been recognised (by the T&TFF) and there has been no response to any letters as regards FPATT representing the players."

The FIFPro congress opened on Thursday and runs until tomorrow. Morris, who left for Europe on Tuesday, was joined by England-based FPATT adviser Kevin Harrison.
 
Title: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites again?
Post by: dreamer on November 29, 2007, 09:10:15 PM
International games coming up. Iz exploitation season again. Man real horngry fuh game and not thinkin'. Signin' contract and not reading de fine print about how much money dey go geh paid. Oh shims man  >:(  Doh repeat de same mistakes nah!

Is FPATT educating de players to be ready this time?
When Baptiste, Daniel, Tinto and dem sign to play Guadeloupe and ting ... do dey know what dey doin' and what is dey due?

Niceness. Good luck.
Title: Re: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites
Post by: WestCoast on November 29, 2007, 09:12:34 PM
yeah FPATT have to get in touch with these fellas before Jackula put the fear of the Devil in dem
Title: Re: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites
Post by: weary1969 on November 29, 2007, 09:14:10 PM
Dem fellas should contact FPATT Stevie Wonder could see that JW is a Capital K crook so y should FPATT have to call dem?
Title: Re: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites again
Post by: Football supporter on November 30, 2007, 03:21:55 AM
Given the past history, even as recently as the Gold Cup, you would hope that players will not sign anything without FPATT approval.

However, TTFF does not recognise FPATT.  If they refuse to accept FPATT as the players representatives, the only option left is for players to refuse to play until they have an FPATT negotiated contract.

This will lead to two results. The local boys will probably still sign and the overseas guys will effectivly blacklist themselves.

The main aim for all parties has to be qualification for 2010. The Guadaloupe match, I feel, is an excellent choice. We don't need a huge test of football ability, we need to get the best possible squad together and try out different variations. Wim has never had a chance to select his first team. Now is the time for solidarity.

FPATT can play hard and force the issue. We can approach FIFPro who have a memorandum of understanding with FIFA whichformerly recognises FIFPro, and its members, as the sole representatives of players.

FIFPro can then lobby FIFA to ban T&T from international competitions. The same thing happened in Russia.

If we want to force this issue, we have the world behind us now. The question is: will the supporters really want this? No world cup? I don't think so!

The only route open will be for every one to realise the mistakes made in the past. For the benefit of football in T&T, TTFF must sit down with FPATT and build bridges. Whether they like each other is immaterial.

Neither organisation is going away, so both should learn to co exist, like in the other 42 countries with players associations. 
Title: Re: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites again
Post by: fishs on November 30, 2007, 03:49:44 AM
Given the past history, even as recently as the Gold Cup, you would hope that players will not sign anything without FPATT approval.

However, TTFF does not recognise FPATT.  If they refuse to accept FPATT as the players representatives, the only option left is for players to refuse to play until they have an FPATT negotiated contract.

This will lead to two results. The local boys will probably still sign and the overseas guys will effectivly blacklist themselves.

The main aim for all parties has to be qualification for 2010. The Guadaloupe match, I feel, is an excellent choice. We don't need a huge test of football ability, we need to get the best possible squad together and try out different variations. Wim has never had a chance to select his first team. Now is the time for solidarity.

FPATT can play hard and force the issue. We can approach FIFPro who have a memorandum of understanding with FIFA whichformerly recognises FIFPro, and its members, as the sole representatives of players.

FIFPro can then lobby FIFA to ban T&T from international competitions. The same thing happened in Russia.

If we want to force this issue, we have the world behind us now. The question is: will the supporters really want this? No world cup? I don't think so!

The only route open will be for every one to realise the mistakes made in the past. For the benefit of football in T&T, TTFF must sit down with FPATT and build bridges. Whether they like each other is immaterial.
Neither organisation is going away, so both should learn to co exist, like in the other 42 countries with players associations. 



Non of dem 42 other countries have a Jack Warner.
That being said I doh believe Jack is any kinda genius, I think he is an opportunist and there in lies the rub.
FPATT have to go to bed with Jack , manipulate the sex until it reap results in the players favor but at the same time not just give Jack the credit , yuh have to  make him honestly believe that is he who machinate the entire thing better yet if allyuh get some kinda ground breaking agreement that Jack could boast about on he pulpit.
Title: Re: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites again
Post by: dreamer on November 30, 2007, 09:07:34 AM
Yeah boy. Ah geyyin' a real education on this forum oui. Thanks FPATT, fishs.
Weary and 'Coast, ah doh disagree.  :beermug:
Title: Re: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites again
Post by: weary1969 on November 30, 2007, 02:47:17 PM
Even if TTFF eh recognise FPATT what stopin dem locals from gettin d document and askin FPATT advice? In TNT because of our industrial relations climate it is almost mandatory that u have some trade union represntation. If u do not u will have to fight any dispute on your own wt your own expense. If represented by a union u can go to d Industrial court at the union expense. So let dem play fool fool as JA2009 and dem will say and not join FPATT
Title: Re: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites again
Post by: Deeks on November 30, 2007, 06:15:43 PM
This is what bothering me. Now that this impasse is going into arbritration, will these guys sign contract before they play. How will the foreign and local players coordinate. Does FPATT have all the players(local and foreign) on board. I aint trusting TTFF. It could be divide and rule situation still.
Title: Re: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites again
Post by: weary1969 on December 01, 2007, 09:03:19 PM
D foreign players are all represented in the countries dey play in is d Locals who have d most to benefit from FPATT I believe Ray charles could ee dat and he blind and dead
Title: Re: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites again
Post by: zuluwarrior on December 01, 2007, 11:02:09 PM
 Alyuh know how the baldheaded man does drop it , my way or know way . Suppozin FPATT had to take this stand ( FIFPro can then

lobby FIFA to ban T&T from international competitions. The same thing happened in Russia) how much ah alyuh would support them  ?

 because  like it or not that iz what it going to come too .

Title: FPATT at the 2007 FIFPro Congress
Post by: Tallman on December 03, 2007, 04:10:44 PM
FPATT at the 2007 FIFPro Congress
FPATT Media


Members of the Football Players Association of Trinidad & Tobago (FPATT) were invited to attend the annual FIFPro congress in Barcelona from 22nd to 24th November as observers.

The purpose of the invitation was to allow the fledgling Trinidad & Tobago Players Association to better understand the workings of FIFPro and to meet the 42 member nations, with a view to apply for membership at next year's congress.

Read more... (http://www.thewarriornation.com/content/view/145/36/)
Title: Re: FPATT at the 2007 FIFPro Congress
Post by: dreamer on December 03, 2007, 04:32:01 PM
Awesome work Clayton "Mr Dependable" Morris and Mr "FPATT" Harrison. Well done Tallman.
There's hope.... and that is a nice feeling.  ;D
Title: Re: FPATT at the 2007 FIFPro Congress
Post by: asylumseeker on December 03, 2007, 04:45:21 PM
Great stuff. Sounds like business and networking took place amidst good kix.

Title: Re: FPATT at the 2007 FIFPro Congress
Post by: asylumseeker on December 03, 2007, 04:55:01 PM
P.S.

Re:

Quote
"It was quite funny," said Harrison, "There were around 26 Spanish speaking delegates and only 4 English speakers - T&T and USA, so the meeting was conducted in Spanish. Every time one of the English speakers wanted to speak, there was a collective sigh and a fumbling for headphones!"

Next time nah. I know a guy who knows a guy who ... ;)
Title: Re: FPATT at the 2007 FIFPro Congress
Post by: Bakes on December 03, 2007, 05:20:56 PM
I still say FPATT look like ah foul t'ief.
















j/k...good work fellas, this is mah-velous.  Thanks too to the author of that well-written article  :beermug:
Title: Re: FPATT at the 2007 FIFPro Congress
Post by: Football supporter on December 03, 2007, 08:18:24 PM
I still say FPATT look like ah foul t'ief.
















j/k...good work fellas, this is mah-velous.  Thanks too to the author of that well-written article  :beermug:


 :busshead:
Title: Re: FPATT at the 2007 FIFPro Congress
Post by: WestCoast on December 03, 2007, 08:24:08 PM
Check we delegation (http://www.thewarriornation.com/images/stories/FIFPro_2007_1.jpg) ;)

Great Work Fellas

Lets play, "Who can spot the Trini (http://www.thewarriornation.com/images/stories/FIFPro_2007_2.jpg)" ;D
Title: Re: FPATT at the 2007 FIFPro Congress
Post by: Bakes on December 03, 2007, 09:06:35 PM
I still say FPATT look like ah foul t'ief.
















j/k...good work fellas, this is mah-velous.  Thanks too to the author of that well-written article  :beermug:


 :busshead:

Such violence paesan...
Title: Re: FPATT at the 2007 FIFPro Congress
Post by: Football supporter on December 04, 2007, 08:34:52 PM
I still say FPATT look like ah foul t'ief.
















j/k...good work fellas, this is mah-velous.  Thanks too to the author of that well-written article  :beermug:


 :busshead:

Such violence paesan...

Its ok Bakes....its a rubber hammer!!
Title: Re: FPATT at the 2007 FIFPro Congress
Post by: WestCoast on December 04, 2007, 09:10:45 PM
FPATT, sorry I must have missed it, but how can we get those shirts?
Title: Re: FPATT at the 2007 FIFPro Congress
Post by: weary1969 on December 04, 2007, 10:29:20 PM
Yeah I want a juzzy
Title: Re: FPATT at the 2007 FIFPro Congress
Post by: Football supporter on December 05, 2007, 03:06:27 AM
FPATT, sorry I must have missed it, but how can we get those shirts?

We have them made to order. Once the much promised web site springs into life, you will be able to order them direct. We are also hoping to stock a limited range of FPATT clothing in a local sports shop.
Title: Re: FPATT at the 2007 FIFPro Congress
Post by: WestCoast on December 05, 2007, 05:26:25 AM
Cool man ;)
Title: Berry says FPATT should be less confrontational
Post by: E-man on December 06, 2007, 12:09:33 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XYqbTlkXyG0
from 4:56-end

On the blacklist:

Thank the Lord because the last twelve months has been a joke. You know, the black list, the nonsense that's been going on has done nothing but put Trinidad & Tobago back five years. So I'm so pleased that the matter now seems to be resolved and that all our players are coming back into the fold, and let's look forward to a strong Trinidad & Tobago squad on February the 6th.

On ties between FPATT and TTFF:

Should have happened on day one. The only way that FPATT is ever going to be successful is to have a good harmonious relationship with TTFF. I think that the FPATT negotiations -- initial negotiations -- should have been handled a little more professionally. Obviously, because of the impasse and what have you there's been bad blood in the last twelve months. In Shaka Hislop they've got a great guy, a good friend of mine, and I'm sure he'll do the right thing. But everyone in the FPATT organization should be a little less confrontational, I would say, with the federation. And the only way, as I say, they're going to be successful is to work hand in hand with the federation, because there's no doubt in Jack Warner's mind, in the TTFF's mind, and certainly in my mind that FPATT is here to stay and is an important part of the future development of Trinidad & Tobago football.
Title: Re: Berry says FPATT should be less confrontational
Post by: pardners on December 06, 2007, 12:31:50 PM
In a strange way, I kinda have to agree with Berry in this instant.  What he said just take me back to when WIPA was formed and since then has always been confrontational.  There were a lot of accusations regarding this issue from a lot of people, however Ramnarine always appear to be confrontational with the WI board.  He get lil quiet now that WIPA have a position on the board too.

Not that I agree with someone from FPATT being a member of the TTFF board, but I figure it would be a long time in coming before Jackula allow that to happen.
Title: Re: Berry says FPATT should be less confrontational
Post by: Storeboy on December 06, 2007, 01:51:39 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XYqbTlkXyG0
from 4:56-end

On the blacklist:

Thank the Lord because the last twelve months has been a joke. You know, the black list, the nonsense that's been going on has done nothing but put Trinidad & Tobago back five years. So I'm so pleased that the matter now seems to be resolved and that all our players are coming back into the fold, and let's look forward to a strong Trinidad & Tobago squad on February the 6th.

On ties between FPATT and TTFF:

Should have happened on day one. The only way that FPATT is ever going to be successful is to have a good harmonious relationship with TTFF. I think that the FPATT negotiations -- initial negotiations -- should have been handled a little more professionally. Obviously, because of the impasse and what have you there's been bad blood in the last twelve months. In Shaka Hislop they've got a great guy, a good friend of mine, and I'm sure he'll do the right thing. But everyone in the FPATT organization should be a little less confrontational, I would say, with the federation. And the only way, as I say, they're going to be successful is to work hand in hand with the federation, because there's no doubt in Jack Warner's mind, in the TTFF's mind, and certainly in my mind that FPATT is here to stay and is an important part of the future development of Trinidad & Tobago football.


What is he talking about?  To my knowledge, FPATT has had no negotiations with the TTFF.  They have not even been recognized by the TTFF.  It is the individual players that have sued and confronted the TTFF and only after Jack and the TTFF refused to negotiate and fired a volley of insults at the players.  Berrry needs to get his facts straight.  However, I do agree that when every thing is normalized and FPATT is officially recognized by the TTFF and FIFA that every effort should be made to avoid undue confrontation.
Title: Re: Berry says FPATT should be less confrontational
Post by: trinikev on December 06, 2007, 01:52:19 PM
Well as far as I was concerned it was the TTFF holding things back, not the other way around. FPATT WAS trying to have a good relationship with the TTFF, but the federation refused to even acknowledge FPATT's existence. That doh sound like FPATT being confrontational to me
Title: Re: Berry says FPATT should be less confrontational
Post by: elan on December 06, 2007, 01:52:40 PM
In such a situation where Wrner et al was on the offensive, warranted FPATT to also they an attacking position. It was a very tumultous time and the federation was flexing their muscles. FPATT had to come out the gate hard or the federatiob would have just push them aside and the blacklist would have still been at the forefront of our football team. Some time ppl on response to force as did the federation, so all in all I will say their technique and approach worked.

The federation MUST understand that the kids glove are off, FPATT and by extension the players mean business and have come to expect a greater amount of respect from the TTFF.

FPATT thank you for the course you took to help ensure that we see our SUPERSTARS on the field representing the RED, WHITE and BLACK again.
Title: Re: Berry says FPATT should be less confrontational
Post by: Mr Mc on December 06, 2007, 02:18:54 PM
I cant say that I recall FPATT being confrontational.
That come like yuh catch yuh pardna girl cheating on  him and when yuh say
"WHat the hell yuh doing"
she bawl
"well I cannot talk to you if thats how yuh gonna act and berate me!"

Title: Re: Berry says FPATT should be less confrontational
Post by: KND2 on December 06, 2007, 02:45:42 PM
We seem to forget the whole issue was about $5000 for playing in the world cup.
With that kind of treatment the issue is way past confrontational.

Is Carib bottle and big stone time  :rotfl:

Berry is a damn Theif anyway
Ask him how much money he make negotiating on "Behalf" of players.

The Player agent business needs regualtion the recent arrest in london is proff of this.

He vex because is lost funds while TT Football is in a mess
Title: Re: Berry says FPATT should be less confrontational
Post by: TrinInfinite on December 06, 2007, 03:31:59 PM
I cant say that I recall FPATT being confrontational.
That come like yuh catch yuh pardna girl cheating on him and when yuh say
"WHat the hell yuh doing"
she bawl
"well I cannot talk to you if thats how yuh gonna act and berate me!"



priceless..... :rotfl: :rotfl: diz a boss one breddah...

God is de BOSS....
Title: Re: Berry says FPATT should be less confrontational
Post by: Dutty on December 06, 2007, 04:04:18 PM
I cant say that I recall FPATT being confrontational.
That come like yuh catch yuh pardna girl cheating on  him and when yuh say
"WHat the hell yuh doing"
she bawl
"well I cannot talk to you if thats how yuh gonna act and berate me!"



 :rotfl:  :applause:
Title: Re: Berry says FPATT should be less confrontational
Post by: Deeks on December 06, 2007, 04:06:52 PM
Berry talking that way because he can't get any money. FPATT had to be less confrontational? He don't know who they dealing with or what? He just looking after his interests. His bread and butter dying up. Tell me which union don't play hardball against a hardball owner or employer? Even John Barnes sugar-coating the special advisor. They don't have the national team in their interest. They only interested in the individual who they can sell.
Title: Re: Berry says FPATT should be less confrontational
Post by: weary1969 on December 06, 2007, 05:36:34 PM
Berry needs to shut up. Yuh cyah be confrontational with peeps who eh recognize yuh.
Title: Re: Berry says FPATT should be less confrontational
Post by: WestCoast on December 06, 2007, 06:19:51 PM
In a strange way, I kinda have to agree with Berry in this instant.  What he said just take me back to when WIPA was formed and since then has always been confrontational.  There were a lot of accusations regarding this issue from a lot of people, however Ramnarine always appear to be confrontational with the WI board.  He get lil quiet now that WIPA have a position on the board too.

Not that I agree with someone from FPATT being a member of the TTFF board, but I figure it would be a long time in coming before Jackula allow that to happen.
Wait have we ALL not been seeing what has happened to our WC players.
Berry is RIGHT ??? ya disappoint meh Pardners......
but that is your right
FPATT have NOT even been recognised by Jackula who is a FIFA VP and FIFA WANTS players associations created.
Berry is a Jackula LACKIE
Title: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: Football supporter on December 30, 2007, 07:56:11 AM
FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
 
FPATT are welcoming the new year and the start of a bright new era for football in Trinidad & Tobago.
 
President, Shaka Hislop said " 2007 has seen the emergence of FPATT as the voice not just of professional footballers in T&T, but also the islands football supporters. Now that we feel the Association is firmly established, we hope to carry the views of players and supporters alike to the authorities and help to shape the future of football in T&T"
 
FPATT was officially launched in May and since then has begun to consolidate the support of players both at home and abroad. "We had many unforseen obstacles to overcome" said Brent Sancho, one of the forces behind the creation of FPATT. "Lack of funds has been our main struggle. Its great to have the ideas, but without businesses donating funds, they will just remain as ideas."
 
International Development Manager, Kevin Harrison agreed. "Our one big disapointment has been the level of support from fans, both in T&T and in the UK. We organised 2 fun day matches in Trinidad & Tobago and two fundraising events in London. Although players like Stern John, Kenwyne Jones and Carlos Edwards attended, the turn out from the supporters was low. However, I must thank the efforts made by both the SocaWarriors.net and Warrior Nation websites and their members for their support this year."
 
Vice President Clayton Morris said the highlight of his first year with FPATT was the FIFPro conference in Barcelona. "  It was heartwarming to see the welcome and support we received from players associations from across the globe. We really felt we have been accepted into the global football family. It was also inspiring to recognise the power and respect now held in the hands of footballers through their unions."
 
Kelvin Jack, another co founder of FPATT looked forward to new developments. "We seriously feel that relations between FPATT and TTFF will improve in 2008. I think Mr Camps now realises that we do not intend to be confrontational towards the federation, but that we have the best interests of professional footballers at heart. This means that we need to assist both TTFF and the ProLeague in delivering a better product, both at home and on the International stage. A weak players association is no benefit to anyone."
 
President Hislop also announced the introduction of FPATTs new Marketing and Office Manager, Maya McMillan. "Maya is a fantastic addition to the team" said Hislop. " She has gained experience by working within both the private and public sectors in Trinidad. Her enthusiasm for football in T&T is unbounded. We feel that with someone like Maya on board, we can really reach out to the communities within T&T and start to give football back to the people, where it belongs."

FPATT optimistic (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=161257419).

Players’ association hopeful (http://newsday.co.tt/sport/0,71186.html)

Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: vb on December 30, 2007, 01:35:10 PM
Best of luck to you.

I am sure you guys will go from strength to strength.

I am confident that your efforts will change the landscape of TT football for ever.

Peace,
VB
Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: dreamer on December 30, 2007, 09:41:23 PM
Nice article. Good stuff. Good luck FPATT
Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: weary1969 on December 31, 2007, 12:32:10 PM
All yuh have meh support keep pluggin yuh go learn how Trinis does operate but doh give up
Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: Sam on January 02, 2008, 11:42:06 AM
Ah see this article was publish on the T&T Express. FPATT optimistic (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_sports?id=161257419).
Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: Andre on January 02, 2008, 12:03:00 PM
nice write up.

what is FPATT stance on the TTFF blacklist? it really over based on what the TTFF saying?
Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: Bourbon on January 02, 2008, 12:26:35 PM
And have the TTFF officially recognized FPATT as the official body representing the players?
Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: Football supporter on January 02, 2008, 01:24:59 PM

FPATT have written to Mr Camps requesting a meeting and Mr Camps has acknowledged receipt of our letter and indicated the this will be discussed by TTFF. We are hopeful that this will lead to a meeting.

I feel it is essential for us to sit down together and actually get to know each other and what each organisation hopes to achieve.

I have used this site to put across FPATT information and, at times, have aired my personal views. This is not always helpful, as the federation obviously takes note of this site and the comments made on it. There has been discussion about my postings here, but I have felt that we do not have the luxury of access to the press in the same way that the federation does. This has led to FPATT, and in particular, myself, as being described as confrontational.   However, I continue to believe it is essential that supporters understand FPATTs views and are kept up to date as much as possible.

FPATT was encouraged by Mike Berrys recent interview, in which Mike recognised the importance of a good working relationship between FPATT and TTFF.  We were also pleased to read that all players will be considered for selection for the forthcoming warm up matches.

Obviously, it will be difficult to determine whether some players will be omitted for reasons other than footballing ones.  Kelvin Jack hasn't played first team football for some time, although he has been available for selection all season and is training well. Brent Sancho is in a similar situation. However, both players will actually be in better shape than the local players, who obviously aren't training at the moment.

However, we are confident that the blacklist is behind us now and we can all move forward.

Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: WestCoast on January 02, 2008, 01:40:49 PM
ALL the best to every single player in TnT
may 2008 bring us what is needed in TnT Football.
Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: weary1969 on January 02, 2008, 11:19:24 PM
FPATT if u confrontational I is a cuss bud let Camps shut up and recognize FPATT. Is only exprsess dat carry d release. Guardian neva cover d backlist and Newsday cyah cover a drink up in a rum shop.

Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: Big Magician on January 03, 2008, 07:44:51 AM
good FPATT...i am here if you need....but i into revoloution and ting....
Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: Bakes on January 03, 2008, 08:42:07 AM
This has led to FPATT, and in particular, myself, as being described as confrontational.   

...surprising.
Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: WestCoast on January 03, 2008, 09:52:33 AM
FPATT, next time allya have a meeting wid TTFF just give dem dis greeting which is a traditional Trini greeting
ya ready
tell dem "haulallyacuddamuntsandgettokcufawayfromhere"
 :devil: :devil:


hear nuh, since de spetial advithore does come on here,
Jackula, where is de $173 Million TT, ya ole Towel Tief
Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: E-man on January 03, 2008, 10:28:44 AM
When do we expect the squad for Guadeloupe to be called up and will FPATT negotiate the match fees? Or is TTFF already trying to work things under the table without FPATT again?
Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: Football supporter on January 03, 2008, 10:50:15 AM
When do we expect the squad for Guadeloupe to be called up and will FPATT negotiate the match fees? Or is TTFF already trying to work things under the table without FPATT again?


FPATT are hopeful that Mr Camps will invite us for talks to discuss this subject.
Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: dcs on January 03, 2008, 01:36:08 PM
I have used this site to put across FPATT information and, at times, have aired my personal views. This is not always helpful, as the federation obviously takes note of this site and the comments made on it. There has been discussion about my postings here, but I have felt that we do not have the luxury of access to the press in the same way that the federation does. This has led to FPATT, and in particular, myself, as being described as confrontational.   However, I continue to believe it is essential that supporters understand FPATTs views and are kept up to date as much as possible.

You said you were going to change your handle so that people aren't confused by your personal postings as compared to "official" releases.  e.g.  People talking about this forum would say....."I saw on SW.net where FPATT said so and so".....now they talking about you and not the organization eh.....but it will come across like that is the organizations official view on things.  I think u should change your handle or have a separate one to differentiate when kevin speaking and when an FPATT officer is speaking.

But from what you have relayed on how things progressing...it doesn't sound unfamiliar.  It would be good if things can continue to get better.
Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: E-man on January 03, 2008, 04:51:17 PM
When do we expect the squad for Guadeloupe to be called up and will FPATT negotiate the match fees? Or is TTFF already trying to work things under the table without FPATT again?


FPATT are hopeful that Mr Camps will invite us for talks to discuss this subject.

These are the oversees invites according to TTFF media

Quote
The TTFF also announced  the eight overseas-based players invited for the friendly international. They include Sunderland  striker Kenwyne Jones, Swansea City striker Jason Scotland, Wrexham midfielder Silvio Spann, Walsall goalkeeper Clayton Ince, Ujpest FC midfielder Densill Theobald, MLS-based Collin Samuel, Sparta Rotterdam forward Darryl Roberts, Southampton striker Stern John and Sunderland  midfielder Carlos Edwards who has indicated that he expects to return from injury in time for the affair.

Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: weary1969 on January 03, 2008, 08:57:22 PM
Total Local DEFENCE. No Birchall leh we see how d total local go wuk. Seon Power etal
Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: jimmel14 on January 03, 2008, 09:15:23 PM
aight so some of D blacklisted get call up, but come on, we need some foreign based defenders in d squad. anybody know what club Birchall at now?
Cheers to FPATT. FPATT da new TTFF.. Shaka fo President
Title: Re: FPATT looking forward to a productive 2008
Post by: Storeboy on January 03, 2008, 11:45:20 PM
Right now I could care less about local defence and foreign defence.  Is time they start training with somebody so they could see how the guys playing.  We need to call different groups and get them in games. This time wasting go come back to haunt us.
Title: FPATT visits the North Coast Academy
Post by: Tallman on January 22, 2008, 07:16:13 PM
FPATT visits the North Coast Academy

On Sunday, January 20th, FPATT, represented by Vice President Clayton Morris, Marketing and Office Manager Debbie Maya McMillan, and Leslie "Tiger" Fitzpatrick, paid a visit to the North Coast Academy at the Las Cuevas Recreational Grounds. They gave speeches, and presented the kids with jerseys from Tottenham Hotspurs, with whom they are trying to build a relationship.

CLICK HERE (http://www.thewarriornation.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,40/?g2_itemId=5486) for the photos
Title: Re: FPATT visits the North Coast Academy
Post by: dreamer on January 22, 2008, 08:30:07 PM
Nice li'l story. Niceness. Mentors in action.
Title: Re: FPATT visits the North Coast Academy
Post by: weary1969 on January 22, 2008, 10:18:46 PM
Dat is what we talkin bout
Title: Re: FPATT visits the North Coast Academy
Post by: redtrinigirl on January 23, 2008, 05:03:20 AM
Ah love de work being done and everything, and ah know FPATT done say he have ah connection dey, but WHY SPURS?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :devil:
Title: Re: FPATT visits the North Coast Academy
Post by: Football supporter on January 23, 2008, 07:27:36 AM
Ah love de work being done and everything, and ah know FPATT done say he have ah connection dey, but WHY SPURS?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :devil:

Spurs were generous enough to donate the shirts. I August we presented some Leyton Orient shirts. Every charity and kids team in England write to clubs for donations. Its only when I can really "work" my connections that I can get a dozen shirts.

However, I will keep plugging away at other clubs. When we organised the fundraiser last March, I wrote to every league club and manager in England. We did receive 30 signed shirts.

Funnily enough, I received standard rejection letters from Arsenal, Man Utd and Chelsea stating that they would love to help, but they have so many requests etc. Then, all 3 sent signed items out of the blue. It really helps when theres a link to the English PFA.

It was funny with those kids, though, coz I don't think they knew who Spurs are! I bet Arsenal wish they'd never heard of Spurs today!!

One final comment. Spurs have an excellent football in the community programme running and link into a project called kickx (I think). They do work with inner city gangs and I am trying to organise a project to bring one of these teams of ex offenders to Trini to play a team of ex gang kids and then bring the Trinis to London for a return fixture. I want to use the slogan "Join a team, not a gang" and try to work with T&T govt to produce some anti gang adverts featuring players.

Of course, going to Maracas, I saw Uncle Sams and, in honour of our esteemed forumite of the same name, had myself some bake & shark!!   
Title: Re: FPATT visits the North Coast Academy
Post by: Big Magician on January 23, 2008, 07:43:43 AM
was Camps there ???....he coulda just walk with he Scotch......plenty coconut water dey
Title: Re: FPATT visits the North Coast Academy
Post by: Coop's on January 23, 2008, 10:41:50 AM
 :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
I'm just happy and want to thank FPATT for their contribution and support in making these North Coast youths be a part of the big picture,this have been my brain child and hope the time will come when it will be able to produce quality players,any help that could be given in this area is greatly appreciated because it have a lot of talent there.   
Title: Re: FPATT visits the North Coast Academy
Post by: WestCoast on January 23, 2008, 10:43:40 AM
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
I'm just happy and want to thank FPATT for their contribution and support in making these North Coast youths be a part of the big picture,this have been my brain child and hope the time will come when it will be able to produce quality players,any help that could be given in this area is greatly appreciated because it have a lot of talent there.   
Coop's dais where ya have you tourney every year?
Title: Re: FPATT visits the North Coast Academy
Post by: JayTheWrecker on January 23, 2008, 10:46:44 AM


Of course, going to Maracas, I saw Uncle Sams and, in honour of our esteemed forumite of the same name, had myself some bake & shark!!   


did you put pineapple in your bake and shark?  ;D

nice work btw. Very well done  :)
Title: Re: FPATT visits the North Coast Academy
Post by: WestCoast on January 23, 2008, 10:49:02 AM
GREAT stuff there FPATT


Of course, going to Maracas, I saw Uncle Sams and, in honour of our esteemed forumite of the same name, had myself some bake & shark!!   
ya gorn over to the dark side....is Shark & Bake :devil:
 ;D
Title: Re: FPATT visits the North Coast Academy
Post by: dinho on January 23, 2008, 10:50:22 AM

Of course, going to Maracas, I saw Uncle Sams and, in honour of our esteemed forumite of the same name, had myself some bake & shark!!   


did you put pineapple in your bake and shark?  ;D

nice work btw. Very well done  :)

FPATT nice work...

but pray tell...

did you bite down on any bone in your bake and shark or was it filleted??   ;D
Title: Re: FPATT visits the North Coast Academy
Post by: Coop's on January 23, 2008, 11:10:09 AM
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
I'm just happy and want to thank FPATT for their contribution and support in making these North Coast youths be a part of the big picture,this have been my brain child and hope the time will come when it will be able to produce quality players,any help that could be given in this area is greatly appreciated because it have a lot of talent there.   
Coop's dais where ya have you tourney every year?
        Yes it's my home town when ever i'm in T&T,i've been plugging away at it since my father introduced me to the area since the days when i represented our country,i'm always doing things there because they still look forward to me doing things in the area,a little tournament at least is what i can afford to do with the time i have.
Title: Re: FPATT visits the North Coast Academy
Post by: Andre on January 23, 2008, 12:16:20 PM
big up to FPATT for their noble actions.
Title: Re: FPATT visits the North Coast Academy
Post by: WestCoast on January 23, 2008, 12:21:25 PM
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
I'm just happy and want to thank FPATT for their contribution and support in making these North Coast youths be a part of the big picture,this have been my brain child and hope the time will come when it will be able to produce quality players,any help that could be given in this area is greatly appreciated because it have a lot of talent there.   
Coop's dais where ya have you tourney every year?
        Yes it's my home town when ever i'm in T&T,i've been plugging away at it since my father introduced me to the area since the days when i represented our country,i'm always doing things there because they still look forward to me doing things in the area,a little tournament at least is what i can afford to do with the time i have.
maybe FPATT could be there when you do it again
Title: Re: FPATT visits the North Coast Academy
Post by: RasIred on January 23, 2008, 12:26:28 PM
Good work FPATT

The old HOLSTEN Hummel Tottenham SHIRT used to look reallllllll Sick. Wish I can get my hands on one of them...........It was thick. It was in teh Hoddle days!
Title: Re: FPATT visits the North Coast Academy
Post by: Andre on January 23, 2008, 12:30:49 PM
Good work FPATT

The old HOLSTEN Hummel Tottenham SHIRT used to look reallllllll Sick. Wish I can get my hands on one of them...........It was thick. It was in teh Hoddle days!

word! that was the adidas one right? it was wicked.
Title: Re: FPATT visits the North Coast Academy
Post by: RasIred on January 23, 2008, 01:09:11 PM
Good work FPATT

The old HOLSTEN Hummel Tottenham SHIRT used to look reallllllll Sick. Wish I can get my hands on one of them...........It was thick. It was in teh Hoddle days!

word! that was the adidas one right? it was wicked.

Nah the Hummel..1985 - 1987........It was wicked ! They should relick that one. Post the link below....that KIT baddddd

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/spurs872.jpg

Title: Re: FPATT visits the North Coast Academy
Post by: boss on January 23, 2008, 02:49:21 PM
Well done FPATT! Great work!  :beermug:
Title: FPATT's VP Clayton Morris: Video interview after FIFPro meeting
Post by: dreamer on February 02, 2008, 01:29:05 PM
Vice President of FPATT.  Busy organizing.
Strike Squad captain and central defender.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY3m-mv_JRg
Title: Warriors stars treated shabbily says FPATT
Post by: Trini _2026 on February 10, 2008, 10:03:47 AM
Warriors stars treated shabbily says FPATT
Sunday, February 10 2008 (Trinidad Newsday)


THE FOOTBALL Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago has expressed dissatisfaction over the manner in which their members were treated after the international friendly encounter with Guadeloupe at the Queen’s Park Oval on Ash Wednesday.

It comes on the heels of reports in which it is alleged that the star players refused to sign match-fee contracts. As a result they received no match fees.

But in a release sent out by FPATT yesterday, it was stated that the players did not sign the contracts offered by the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) because they were given less than 72 hours before the kick-off of the game.

And therefore it was not discussed, negotiated and approved by its association and or its attorneys.

The football players’ association also expressed its grouse over alleged poor flight arrangements for the players to return to their respective clubs.

Some players, it is said, were placed on stand-by economy flights which resulted in last ditch efforts by the players to reach to their UK clubs on time.

The FPATT said it hopes that the alleged inadequacies are not seen by the football federation as “business as usual.”

It also stated that it is here to mediate with the football federation and clubs on behalf of the players on various issues.

Among them match fees, wages, bonuses for the coming World Cup qualifiers, insurance coverage and ticket allocations, among others.

It was also revealed that the association is not involved in the ongoing issues concerning bonuses from the 2006 World Cup participation by the Soca Warriors.

FPATT added that the players have been afforded all the benefits expected under the regulations of the world governing body for football, FIFA.

According to the release the FPATT has been attempting to have a meaningful discussion with the TTFF and or its advisor Jack Warner on such important topics.

According to the release FPATT is committed to the implementation of policies and procedures suitable for a professional work environment as it relates to the governance of football in Trinidad and Tobago.

It also stated that its members played in last Wednesday’s match because they just wanted to represent their country.

Title: Re: Warriors stars treated shabbily says FPATT
Post by: weary1969 on February 10, 2008, 06:20:04 PM
A meaningful discussion wit Jack good luck
Title: Re: Warriors stars treated shabbily says FPATT
Post by: grskywalker on February 11, 2008, 09:45:09 AM
FPATT keep pressing and don't give up!!!!!! Players have to be treated as professionals and some courtesy should be priority!

You all should take over players arrangements, from arrival to departure as TTFF seems incapable of handling it efficiently. HOW LONG DID THEY HAVE THIS GAME PLANNED!
Title: FPATT Thread
Post by: E-man on February 11, 2008, 11:51:38 PM
FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
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CAUSE FOR ALARM

Ten months into his term, Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) interim president Shaka Hislop is yet to officially meet either Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) president Oliver Camps or its special advisor and FIFA vice-president Jack Warner.
Hislop's bemusement and frustration turned to alarm on the weekend as Warner told another media house that he advised the T&TFF not to speak with FPATT. Warner suggested that the T&TFF did not have to negotiate as the local body was "not the employer of the players".
It was news to Hislop who was a standout for the "Soca Warriors" at the 2006 World Cup and played professionally for more than a decade in England at Newcastle, West Ham, Portsmouth and Reading.
"The reasons he gave (for not talking to FPATT) I think were alarming," said Hislop. "He said the TTFF does not employ players but, in the very contract he gave to players 72 hours before kick off, he twice referred to them as 'employees' in a two-page document that I am sure was drawn up by high-paid employees.
"It just doesn't make sense at the very least. At the very worse, it is very hypocritical."
Warner's statements followed on the heels of a supposed stand-off between national players and administrators regarding match contracts for last week's friendly against Guadeloupe at the Queen's Park Oval, Port of Spain.
Hislop was disappointed that, after encouraging rhetoric from the T&TFF at the start of the year, the administration had, in his opinion, reverted to type.
"We made every effort to contact the TTFF to negotiate cordially," said Hislop, "but they have not responded. They have just automatically taken an aggressive stance, which cannot be good for the game or Trinidad and Tobago players who feel they have no voice.
"The Federation has not even bothered to hear what we have to say."
Hislop is anxious to discuss, on behalf of the players, issues such as insurance, match fees, travel arrangements and so on, which he feels would help the Warriors to be more at ease when on national duty.
Up to match day, the national players had to go on the T&TFF's word that they were insured against injury, while England-based players were offered stand-by economy tickets for their return trips. Football team manager David Muhammad said that FPATT was involved in the drawing up of the match contracts but Hislop insisted they never saw the document before the friendly game, which ended goalless.
He poured scorn too on Warner's reference to UEFA in his explanation as to why the T&TFF were better off ignoring FPATT. Warner pointed out that European clubs now liaise directly with their confederation rather than with national associations.
But Hislop claimed that Warner referred to a mandate, which was designed to protect clubs rather than players. UEFA has agreed to compensate clubs for releasing players for national duty. The interim FPATT president failed to spot the relevance between the European pact regarding clubs and national associations and the fight for players' rights in Trinidad and Tobago.
"To be drawing comparisons between a brand-new UEFA mandate and TTFF and FPATT is ridiculous," said Hislop. "He is talking about UEFA negotiating with the players but I pulled up their summary and, in a two-page document, the word 'player' is only there once. It says continually that it is an agreement between the association and the club but we are dealing with the players and not the club.
"I am sure the clubs would be overjoyed to hear that CONCACAF would take a similar stance to UEFA and pay them around 4000 Euros a day while their players are away but somehow I don't see that happening anytime soon."
Hislop reiterated that FPATT did not mean to be confrontational but felt the organisation was being backed into a corner. He urged the T&TFF to reconsider their position so as to avoid another stand-off between players and administrators. Hislop is among 16 players who have legally challenged the T&TFF over their share of World Cup bonus and sponsorship revenue.
"We hope that this arbitration, (between the World Cup players and the T&TFF) which I reiterate is not a FPATT undertaking," said Hislop, "is the last of its kind for the foreseeable future. We don't want another stand-off but, at times, we do feel as if we are being backed into a corner.
"We are appealing to their better judgment with the interest of Trinidad and Tobago football and our global reputation at heart."

Title: Re: Cause For Alarm - Players are not "employees" of TTFF!!
Post by: kounty on February 12, 2008, 12:20:06 AM
Alright...shaka say it...lewe see who come and say is fpatt suing ttff now.
Title: Re: Cause For Alarm - Players are not "employees" of TTFF!!
Post by: kev on February 12, 2008, 12:44:25 AM
CAUSE FOR ALARM
FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments
Lasana Liburd


Tuesday, February 12th 2008


Up to match day, the national players had to go on the T&TFF's word that they were insured against injury, while England-based players were offered stand-by economy tickets for their return trips. Football team manager David Muhammad said that FPATT was involved in the drawing up of the match contracts but Hislop insisted they never saw the document before the friendly game, which ended goalless.





I now see why Roy Keane mentioned the tickets economy I can understand standby is just ridiculous.  I know there are some issues and we have some muppets in charge of our game, but I feel for you, it must be heartbreaking to have people like that in charge of your football.
Title: Re: Cause For Alarm - Players are not "employees" of TTFF!!
Post by: WestCoast on February 12, 2008, 05:32:54 AM
I now see why Roy Keane mentioned the tickets economy I can understand standby is just ridiculous.  I know there are some issues and we have some muppets in charge of our game, but I feel for you, it must be heartbreaking to have people like that in charge of your football.
the most telling characteristic of Mr Warner is that, even though he is a FIFA Vice President and President of CONCACAF and CFU, he openly flaunts his disrespect for the objectives that FIFA have been tryin to institute in many countries concerning player associations.
Sepp look what your Daddy is doing
ONE day his downfall will come
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: superoli on February 12, 2008, 06:01:27 AM
it must be hard for Jackula when he comes up against Shaka who unfortunately is intelligent and articulate....
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Mr Mc on February 12, 2008, 06:30:13 AM
i have a very bad feeling about this.
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Sam on February 12, 2008, 06:48:12 AM
Boy I wish somebody could beat Oliver Camps and Jack Warner so bad that they grand children go feel it.....

The TTFF is the biggest asshole federation I ever see..

Everyone need to stand up against Jack, de man just buying and bribing his way into people lives and no one have the balls to stand up and fight and even if they do they always end up loosing.

FIFA is very corrupted and I cant wait for the day I see Sepp Blatter and Jack Warner jailed...
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Big Magician on February 12, 2008, 06:57:56 AM
BLOODLESS COUP NOW ....allyuh doh want to hear me
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Fyzoman on February 12, 2008, 07:15:08 AM
i have a very bad feeling about this.

ENT!!! leh we hope de mark buss BEFORE qualifications start so de issue could be settled(finally).....also ah hope Pacho could get he translator to let T&TFF know dey better stop playing de ass.
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Brownsugar on February 12, 2008, 07:19:21 AM
Doh give up Shaka/FPATT......doh give up.....

Jackula, Scamps, Groden & Co......day does run till night catch up to it....stinking Fowl thieves.... >:( >:(
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: rick titus on February 12, 2008, 07:35:07 AM
THIS IS A SHOUT TO EVERY PLAYER REPRESENTING TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO!

STOP PLAYING FOR THESE ASSHOLE TTFF MEMBERS AND SHOW SOME BALLS!

IF THEY WON'T SHOW RESPECT FOR YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS AND BROTHERS, DO NOT REPRSENT THEM!

IT IS TIME TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE MEN AND WON'T BE TREATED LIKE SHIT ANYMORE!

DON'T ALLOW SHAKA AND THE REST TO STAND ALONE, IT IS TIME TO SHOW SOME BALLS, AND STOP KISSING JACKS ASS!
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Daft Trini on February 12, 2008, 07:46:42 AM
BLOODLESS COUP NOW ....allyuh doh want to hear me

You've been saying it for a year now... (thanks for preaching de word bredda) The truth is becoming evident now...

"emancipate yourself from mental slavery" Bob Marley

Our players deserve better... rise up now  >:(
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: WestCoast on February 12, 2008, 08:04:06 AM
BLOODLESS COUP NOW ....allyuh doh want to hear me
:whistling:

I hope every single player in TnT hears what you are saying there Rick
 :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

BLOODLESS COUP NOW ....allyuh doh want to hear me

You've been saying it for a year now... (thanks for preaching de word bredda) The truth is becoming evident now...

"emancipate yourself from mental slavery" Bob Marley (http://youtube.com/watch?v=p7pAvbjChQM)<----CLICK HERE

Our players deserve better... rise up now  >:(
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Sando prince on February 12, 2008, 08:07:23 AM
Warner does rel move like a dictator yes...Imagine Warner as PM alot of rioting and protesting would happen in T&T :-\
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Mr Mc on February 12, 2008, 08:11:07 AM
THIS IS A SHOUT TO EVERY PLAYER REPRESENTING TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO!

STOP PLAYING FOR THESE ASSHOLE TTFF MEMBERS AND SHOW SOME BALLS!

IF THEY WON'T SHOW RESPECT FOR YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS AND BROTHERS, DO NOT REPRSENT THEM!

IT IS TIME TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE MEN AND WON'T BE TREATED LIKE SHIT ANYMORE!

DON'T ALLOW SHAKA AND THE REST TO STAND ALONE, IT IS TIME TO SHOW SOME BALLS, AND STOP KISSING JACKS ASS!

I think for hte sake of our footballing future, and at a risk of missing SA2010, we really need everyone to take a stance right now.
every footballer from the youhts right on up, need to stand in solidarity together, bring everyting to a halt and force Jack hand.
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: just cool on February 12, 2008, 08:24:55 AM
THIS IS A SHOUT TO EVERY PLAYER REPRESENTING TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO!

STOP PLAYING FOR THESE ASSHOLE TTFF MEMBERS AND SHOW SOME BALLS!

IF THEY WON'T SHOW RESPECT FOR YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS AND BROTHERS, DO NOT REPRSENT THEM!

IT IS TIME TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE MEN AND WON'T BE TREATED LIKE SHIT ANYMORE!

DON'T ALLOW SHAKA AND THE REST TO STAND ALONE, IT IS TIME TO SHOW SOME BALLS, AND STOP KISSING JACKS ASS!

I think for hte sake of our footballing future, and at a risk of missing SA2010, we really need everyone to take a stance right now.
every footballer from the youhts right on up, need to stand in solidarity together, bring everyting to a halt and force Jack hand.
Mr mc there's one problem that could halt any stands and render the programme null and void, the caps. if those ballers want to keep working in europe , they need caps, and jack is all to familiar with that, hence the reason for his arrogance towards footballers.
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: ttcom on February 12, 2008, 08:42:12 AM
All Englandnites on the forum, Go to EPL matches this with a banner saying " Jackula pay the players" . You will get worldwide coverage about the issue
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Mr Mc on February 12, 2008, 09:23:21 AM
THIS IS A SHOUT TO EVERY PLAYER REPRESENTING TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO!

STOP PLAYING FOR THESE ASSHOLE TTFF MEMBERS AND SHOW SOME BALLS!

IF THEY WON'T SHOW RESPECT FOR YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS AND BROTHERS, DO NOT REPRSENT THEM!

IT IS TIME TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE MEN AND WON'T BE TREATED LIKE SHIT ANYMORE!

DON'T ALLOW SHAKA AND THE REST TO STAND ALONE, IT IS TIME TO SHOW SOME BALLS, AND STOP KISSING JACKS ASS!

I think for hte sake of our footballing future, and at a risk of missing SA2010, we really need everyone to take a stance right now.
every footballer from the youhts right on up, need to stand in solidarity together, bring everyting to a halt and force Jack hand.
Mr mc there's one problem that could halt any stands and render the programme null and void, the caps. if those ballers want to keep working in europe , they need caps, and jack is all to familiar with that, hence the reason for his arrogance towards footballers.

well yuh have to play in 75% of games with the national team.  But, if the team not playing any games, 75% of 0 is 0.  So it could still work, but only if ALL the players on strike, cause if men abroad say they striking, then some chupidy men back home go and play in the games they will weaken protest and hurt everybody.
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Coop's on February 12, 2008, 10:05:30 AM
THIS IS A SHOUT TO EVERY PLAYER REPRESENTING TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO!

STOP PLAYING FOR THESE ASSHOLE TTFF MEMBERS AND SHOW SOME BALLS!

IF THEY WON'T SHOW RESPECT FOR YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS AND BROTHERS, DO NOT REPRSENT THEM!

IT IS TIME TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE MEN AND WON'T BE TREATED LIKE SHIT ANYMORE!

DON'T ALLOW SHAKA AND THE REST TO STAND ALONE, IT IS TIME TO SHOW SOME BALLS, AND STOP KISSING JACKS ASS!

I think for hte sake of our footballing future, and at a risk of missing SA2010, we really need everyone to take a stance right now.
every footballer from the youhts right on up, need to stand in solidarity together, bring everyting to a halt and force Jack hand.
         Breds doing that will not affect Jack,when he brought Football to a halt after the WC everybody was bawling now you want the players to halt the game,Jack will always have his way because we have no balls,everybody on here calling for the foreign players to be on the team,the thing is if they have to play on this team they have to play under Jack rules,i like Shaka a lot he has the experience to handle any situation where Football is concerned but he is too much of a diplomat(nice guy),Jack going to take advantage of PFATT which he is doing,when he talks he talks with lawyers behind him,T&T Football will never be the same unless that impase with the players is sorted out(players not happy),if PFATT did not sue TTFF then is it the players?i still can't get an answer to this qeuetion.     
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: WestCoast on February 12, 2008, 10:29:20 AM
if PFATT did not sue TTFF then is it the players?i still can't get an answer to this qeuetion.     
as far as I can figure out, it was the JACKlisted players who sued to get their money.
I am amazed that some people still dont realise this.
But then again some reporters continually report that it was FPATT that sued.
I beleive that FPATT did NOT Sue.
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Mr Mc on February 12, 2008, 10:42:35 AM
THIS IS A SHOUT TO EVERY PLAYER REPRESENTING TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO!

STOP PLAYING FOR THESE ASSHOLE TTFF MEMBERS AND SHOW SOME BALLS!

IF THEY WON'T SHOW RESPECT FOR YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS AND BROTHERS, DO NOT REPRSENT THEM!

IT IS TIME TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE MEN AND WON'T BE TREATED LIKE SHIT ANYMORE!

DON'T ALLOW SHAKA AND THE REST TO STAND ALONE, IT IS TIME TO SHOW SOME BALLS, AND STOP KISSING JACKS ASS!

I think for hte sake of our footballing future, and at a risk of missing SA2010, we really need everyone to take a stance right now.
every footballer from the youhts right on up, need to stand in solidarity together, bring everyting to a halt and force Jack hand.
         Breds doing that will not affect Jack,when he brought Football to a halt after the WC everybody was bawling now you want the players to halt the game,Jack will always have his way because we have no balls,everybody on here calling for the foreign players to be on the team,the thing is if they have to play on this team they have to play under Jack rules,i like Shaka a lot he has the experience to handle any situation where Football is concerned but he is too much of a diplomat(nice guy),Jack going to take advantage of PFATT which he is doing,when he talks he talks with lawyers behind him,T&T Football will never be the same unless that impase with the players is sorted out(players not happy),if PFATT did not sue TTFF then is it the players?i still can't get an answer to this qeuetion.     

thats because Jack brought football to a halt on his terms.  Jack want to manipulate everything when it comes to the national teams.
Well if everybody walk out on the National teams, for the good of football, then it reduces his power.  At the very least it will get some much needed media attention on this issue and maybe FIFA will think he losing his grip on them votes.
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Storeboy on February 12, 2008, 11:28:45 AM
The only way to solve this problem is to sacrifice 2010, take on Jack and his puppet Oliver Camps and change the system now.  All players must unanimously take a stand.  From Under 15 to Seniors.  Where are the parents who care? Where are the club administrators who care?  Look at the foolishness he try in Dominica.  Even FIFA ethics had to oppose his decision on that.  Why can't Trinis tak afirm stand.  Steeeuuuups!!!!
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: WestCoast on February 12, 2008, 11:36:21 AM
The only way to solve this problem is to sacrifice 2010, take on Jack and his puppet Oliver Camps and change the system now.  All players must unanimously take a stand.  From Under 15 to Seniors.  Where are the parents who care? Where are the club administrators who care?  Look at the foolishness he try in Dominica.  Even FIFA ethics had to oppose his decision on that.  Why can't Trinis tak afirm stand.  Steeeuuuups!!!!

OK
first, let us get a list of the players who would be affected by this action as they would be in trouble when they do not have their required caps.
then compare that list to those who work for TTFF.....tghere will be a greater number on the players list.

we will see that MANY people's careers in 4IN will be negatively affected. NO?
there MUST be a different way?
let us brainstorm to come up with something else.
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Brownsugar on February 12, 2008, 11:48:24 AM
Ah adding mih 2cents again.....dis man and he croonies is something else yuh know....all along Scamps/TTFF saying they will meet with FPATT (I heard Scamps say so to de Fearless One some time late last year).....

Now all Jackula & Co. was waiting for was to see how many players would stand up for dey rights....when they apparently didn't do so in droves, the vampire figure he could stab FPATT in dey back....

Geez ah cyar imagine what it must be like to have scales instead of skin and a forked tongue.....tie tongue tief!!.... >:( >:(
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: sjahrain on February 12, 2008, 02:32:46 PM
Only a total strike of TTFF related activities will cause any change in the mind set of the current football administration and that is at all levels of the game,that was the easy part the hard part is bringing that to reality
As it stands today we can start thinking of 2014 or for that matter 2018 because Jack has no intention of seeding power and he will rather see it all destroyed,Jack does not have our game at heart but the power he can wield thus making us feel the pain of his evil
Jack has singlehandedly destroyed what was achieved,when we made it to Germany,who ever thinks anything will change from here on out,is enjoying a nightmare from which one cannot arise
Change will only come when Jack has rode off into the sunset and that is not certain,as for all that we may know we may have the displeasure of dealing with some other unsavoury character who may be worse(his son)....Jah help us alll
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Daft Trini on February 12, 2008, 03:17:04 PM
Who knew a "special advisor" could wield so much power over an organization???   :-[
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Teflon Don on February 12, 2008, 03:35:59 PM
All Englandnites on the forum, Go to EPL matches this with a banner saying " Jackula pay the players" . You will get worldwide coverage about the issue

I agree with this....Jack eh go kno what to do wit heself....fat tongue cobeaux face modda c*nt......and  well i doh care bout camps he have a vagina so he cud hull he own....

I rel wa dese fellas stop mash up we football.....
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Dutty on February 12, 2008, 04:23:52 PM
All Englandnites on the forum, Go to EPL matches this with a banner saying " Jackula pay the players" . You will get worldwide coverage about the issue

I agree with this....Jack eh go kno what to do wit heself....fat tongue cobeaux face modda c*nt......and  well i doh care bout camps he have a vagina so he cud hull he own....

I rel wa dese fellas stop mash up we football.....

Only slight problem with that

Jackula is ah name dat get created and tossed around on this board, so nobody will know who de banner referring to

and even if de banner have jack full name on it...yuh think jack care? look how much worldwide media exposure he get in 06....yuh think dat embarass him.?,,man come back stronger  :P.vampire cyah feel shame
Is when yuh take money out de coffin he does get weak

Only ting could work is if all players say dem not interested in playing for no soca warriors and all fans say to ass wit the drive to SA2010...we eh care

since dem tings will never happen......."the beatings will continue until morale improves"
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Kingk on February 12, 2008, 04:42:19 PM
i remember on the road to Germany when at one point this board was filled with negativity, & one poster said lets try & have a positive spin on things no one post anything that is negative towards the team & keep a positive vibe i wish something like this can happen now: positive thinking produces positive results :-[
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: kentsoulman on February 12, 2008, 05:12:43 PM
THIS IS A SHOUT TO EVERY PLAYER REPRESENTING TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO!

STOP PLAYING FOR THESE ASSHOLE TTFF MEMBERS AND SHOW SOME BALLS!

IF THEY WON'T SHOW RESPECT FOR YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS AND BROTHERS, DO NOT REPRSENT THEM!

IT IS TIME TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE MEN AND WON'T BE TREATED LIKE SHIT ANYMORE!

DON'T ALLOW SHAKA AND THE REST TO STAND ALONE, IT IS TIME TO SHOW SOME BALLS, AND STOP KISSING JACKS ASS!

I think for hte sake of our footballing future, and at a risk of missing SA2010, we really need everyone to take a stance right now.
every footballer from the youhts right on up, need to stand in solidarity together, bring everyting to a halt and force Jack hand.
         Breds doing that will not affect Jack,when he brought Football to a halt after the WC everybody was bawling now you want the players to halt the game,Jack will always have his way because we have no balls,everybody on here calling for the foreign players to be on the team,the thing is if they have to play on this team they have to play under Jack rules,i like Shaka a lot he has the experience to handle any situation where Football is concerned but he is too much of a diplomat(nice guy),Jack going to take advantage of PFATT which he is doing,when he talks he talks with lawyers behind him,T&T Football will never be the same unless that impase with the players is sorted out(players not happy),if PFATT did not sue TTFF then is it the players?i still can't get an answer to this qeuetion.     

Its all out there on the forum, COOPs.  The 16 players who took legal action were then blacklisted. Most of them had already decided to form FPATT so it wouldnt happen again. Although they may be the same people, FPATT as an organisation didnt bring the case.

Also, I don't believe Warner has taken any legal advice. What he said is clearly not correct. Clubs in Europe do not negotiate International players contracts. They negotiated compensation for themselves while players are on national duty. If what Jack said was true, then he should provide the contracts that TTFF agreed with Sunderland, Southampton, Swansea, Walsall, Wrexham etc. And I'm damned sure Roy Keane didn't agree with TTFF that Kenwyne could be sent home on stand by economy 3 days before a Premiership match!

Imagine Chelsea hving to negotiate with a dozen seperate countries. Bloody ridiculous.

I guess, as an Englishman, I cannot believe that someone in Warners position can spout lies and bullshit and still be in a job. Forget Trinidad, forget England, why the hell does the rest of FIFA allow this man to make them look like fools?

FIFA have accepted FIFPro recognised players associations and are positively encouraging Dispute Resoloution Chambers containing 50% players representatives. As FIFA VP, Warner should be sacked for misconduct.
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: berris on February 12, 2008, 05:17:20 PM
In my perfect world Jack Warner  will get hit by ah f**king bus doing bout 90,who vex hard luck,but this ty tonge f**king tief,yes all hear meh ah attacking he disabaility,de ty tongue snake holding we football tuh ransom fuh nuttin more than greed.When we thought we had ah ace in de hole with Jack in FIFA,what we din realise is dis stammering mudda c**t tief only setting we up tuh lace he pockets off ah man sweat.Now he feel he cud do what he want and IS doing what he want,first he was just a 'special advisor' but now he eh care what yuh call him all he know is he doing what he want with TNT football and taking it years backwards with his ignorance.
JACK IS AH STINKING STAMMERING TIE TONGUE HOG AND EVERY
TRINBAGONIAN SHUD SPIT IN HE f**kING FACE HE DESERVE NUTTIN LESS .
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Deeks on February 12, 2008, 05:52:39 PM
Is Lenten season, I refuse to spew anymore hate!!!!!
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: sjahrain on February 12, 2008, 05:58:16 PM
I am of the impression Jack does these things to keep pissing people off,as the more we get pissed at his ass the more powerful he becomes
This bowl face thief
I guess we should just show this sorry excuse for a man some love

Then man just destroying our beautiful game

And this shit really hurts.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:...its hurts so bad that all I could do is.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

So this is to you Jack.... :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:...Keep us down,we will not be down forever........Jack

GET UP STAND UP,STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Big Magician on February 12, 2008, 06:33:14 PM
Is when yuh take money out de coffin he does get weak

Brilliant Dutty
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Bakes on February 12, 2008, 07:41:55 PM
Ramson....he related tuh Samson?
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: WestCoast on February 12, 2008, 09:44:37 PM
FIFA have accepted FIFPro recognised players associations and are positively encouraging Dispute Resolution Chambers containing 50% players representatives. As FIFA VP, Warner should be sacked for misconduct.
Blatter is where he is because of the votes that Warner garnerd for him
Blatter ent goin an do nutten to his "Daddy"
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: rick titus on February 12, 2008, 10:19:20 PM
ONCE AGAIN T&T PLAYERS PLEASE LISTEN! IF YOU DON'T WHORE YOURSELF FOR JACKS MONEY, YOU WILL HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE ALL OF YOUR DESTINIES. MEN ON THIS FORUM ARE TALKING ABOUT CAPS AND SUCH, BUT THE ISSUE IS THAT YOU PLAYERS CAN CHANGE WHAT IS HAPPENING TO YOU BY NOT CO-OPERATING WITH THE TTFF!!!! DO NOT PLAY FOR THEM! IN AMERICA AND ALL OVER THE WORLD BLACK PEOPLE DIED FOR THEIR FREDDOM, DIED FOR THEIR RIGHT TO LIVE IN A FREE SOCIETY AS FREE MEN, AND ALL OF US HAVE CONTRIBUTED FROM THE STAND THEY MADE! DON'T TELL ME ABOUT CAPS, TAKE A STAND AND BE A MAN! IF THEY WON'T RESPECT YOU AS A MAN, THEN SHOW THEM THAT YOU ARE A MAN BY STANDING ON YOUR OWN. DIVIDED YOU WILL ONLY EXPERIENCE THE SAME SHIT YOU'VE BEEN DEALING WITH, BUT TOGETHER THEY CANNOT STOP YOU! BE A MAN AND TAKE A STAND! STOP LETTING THE FEW IN THE TTFF PLAY WITH YOUR FUTURE! TAKE THE REIGNS AND START CONTROLLING YOUR OWN DESTINY. STOP BEING SOFT!!!
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: dinho on February 12, 2008, 10:25:29 PM
Trinidadians is not de kind of people that willing to unite or fight for any cause whatsoever...

i eh care who want to cuss meh for that statement.
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Brownsugar on February 13, 2008, 06:14:42 AM
Trinidadians is not de kind of people that willing to unite or fight for any cause whatsoever...

i eh care who want to cuss meh for that statement.

Amen.... :beermug:
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: asylumseeker on February 13, 2008, 06:20:31 AM
Trinidadians is not de kind of people that willing to unite or fight for any cause whatsoever...

i eh care who want to cuss meh for that statement.

Ah blanking ... what do psychologists call this? say something negative to geh a positive reaction ... who knows omar, yuh stmt might be motivational in de end
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Brownsugar on February 13, 2008, 06:40:41 AM
Trinidadians is not de kind of people that willing to unite or fight for any cause whatsoever...

i eh care who want to cuss meh for that statement.

Ah blanking ... what do psychologists call this? say something negative to geh a positive reaction ... who knows omar, yuh stmt might be motivational in de end

reverse psychology?? ah think that's it.... :-\
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Coop's on February 13, 2008, 10:49:08 AM
ONCE AGAIN T&T PLAYERS PLEASE LISTEN! IF YOU DON'T WHORE YOURSELF FOR JACKS MONEY, YOU WILL HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE ALL OF YOUR DESTINIES. MEN ON THIS FORUM ARE TALKING ABOUT CAPS AND SUCH, BUT THE ISSUE IS THAT YOU PLAYERS CAN CHANGE WHAT IS HAPPENING TO YOU BY NOT CO-OPERATING WITH THE TTFF!!!! DO NOT PLAY FOR THEM! IN AMERICA AND ALL OVER THE WORLD BLACK PEOPLE DIED FOR THEIR FREDDOM, DIED FOR THEIR RIGHT TO LIVE IN A FREE SOCIETY AS FREE MEN, AND ALL OF US HAVE CONTRIBUTED FROM THE STAND THEY MADE! DON'T TELL ME ABOUT CAPS, TAKE A STAND AND BE A MAN! IF THEY WON'T RESPECT YOU AS A MAN, THEN SHOW THEM THAT YOU ARE A MAN BY STANDING ON YOUR OWN. DIVIDED YOU WILL ONLY EXPERIENCE THE SAME SHIT YOU'VE BEEN DEALING WITH, BUT TOGETHER THEY CANNOT STOP YOU! BE A MAN AND TAKE A STAND! STOP LETTING THE FEW IN THE TTFF PLAY WITH YOUR FUTURE! TAKE THE REIGNS AND START CONTROLLING YOUR OWN DESTINY. STOP BEING SOFT!!!
        We have to be sympathetic to our Footballers,i don't think it's about being a man,not playing for T&T will affect these guys,we have to look at the pros and cons of this move,Jack knows that and is taking advantage of the situation,it's not being soft it's their bread and butter they playing with.
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: ricky on February 13, 2008, 11:28:08 AM
THIS IS A SHOUT TO EVERY PLAYER REPRESENTING TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO!

STOP PLAYING FOR THESE ASSHOLE TTFF MEMBERS AND SHOW SOME BALLS!

IF THEY WON'T SHOW RESPECT FOR YOUR FELLOW PLAYERS AND BROTHERS, DO NOT REPRSENT THEM!

IT IS TIME TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE MEN AND WON'T BE TREATED LIKE SHIT ANYMORE!

DON'T ALLOW SHAKA AND THE REST TO STAND ALONE, IT IS TIME TO SHOW SOME BALLS, AND STOP KISSING JACKS ASS!


hey rick
if you got called up to play our first WCQ match, you would say no way for sure?  I take if from you posts you would tell warner to go to hell
hope this ent sound like a dis, just wondering if your stance would be the same if you was called and in the position
 :beermug:
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Big Magician on February 13, 2008, 03:01:11 PM
rick titus allready played for tnT
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: rick titus on February 13, 2008, 04:08:30 PM
I played for T&T already. Never got paid a dime and never got reimbursed for my ticket! Total mickey mouse show. As far as me playing for T&T again while players are still getting screwed... Not a friggin chance! If players keep studying their pocket instead of solidarity they will continue to be screwed. I agree with the poster that said Trini's are not ready for that kind of stand. He is damn right. Trini ballers aren't ready to stand up for one another, they thinking of their pocket, which is okay, but in this situation what will you stand for? Again, it all comes down to being a man and not letting another man mess with you and treat you like an ass! The exact reason I didn't play in MLS again, because I wasn't going to let anyone treat me like an ass. I won defender of the year, and that still wasn't good enough for Colorado's coach, so I told him to kiss my ass! This might be silly to some, but no man should allow anyone to treat him as though he is less! We must show dignity, and we as players must show the employers that we are in control of our own destiny!
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Daft Trini on February 13, 2008, 04:23:01 PM
I played for T&T already. Never got paid a dime and never got reimbursed for my ticket! Total mickey mouse show. As far as me playing for T&T again while players are still getting screwed... Not a friggin chance! If players keep studying their pocket instead of solidarity they will continue to be screwed. I agree with the poster that said Trini's are not ready for that kind of stand. He is damn right. Trini ballers aren't ready to stand up for one another, they thinking of their pocket, which is okay, but in this situation what will you stand for? Again, it all comes down to being a man and not letting another man mess with you and treat you like an ass! The exact reason I didn't play in MLS again, because I wasn't going to let anyone treat me like an ass. I won defender of the year, and that still wasn't good enough for Colorado's coach, so I told him to kiss my ass! This might be silly to some, but no man should allow anyone to treat him as though he is less! We must show dignity, and we as players must show the employers that we are in control of our own destiny!


 :applause:

(personally was a bit disappointed but I feel yuh vibes bredda)

Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: WestCoast on February 13, 2008, 04:39:13 PM
I played for T&T already. Never got paid a dime and never got reimbursed for my ticket! Total mickey mouse show. As far as me playing for T&T again while players are still getting screwed... Not a friggin chance! If players keep studying their pocket instead of solidarity they will continue to be screwed. I agree with the poster that said Trini's are not ready for that kind of stand. He is damn right. Trini ballers aren't ready to stand up for one another, they thinking of their pocket, which is okay, but in this situation what will you stand for? Again, it all comes down to being a man and not letting another man mess with you and treat you like an ass! The exact reason I didn't play in MLS again, because I wasn't going to let anyone treat me like an ass. I won defender of the year, and that still wasn't good enough for Colorado's coach, so I told him to kiss my ass! This might be silly to some, but no man should allow anyone to treat him as though he is less! We must show dignity, and we as players must show the employers that we are in control of our own destiny!
Soory to hear that man, but i would be willing to bet there are many more like you who have done the same for TnT.
The saddest thing about all this,
is that the person responsible is a FIFA Vice President, President of CONCACAF and CFU.

Mr Titus  :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: ricky on February 13, 2008, 05:13:47 PM
I played for T&T already. Never got paid a dime and never got reimbursed for my ticket! Total mickey mouse show. As far as me playing for T&T again while players are still getting screwed... Not a friggin chance! If players keep studying their pocket instead of solidarity they will continue to be screwed. I agree with the poster that said Trini's are not ready for that kind of stand. He is damn right. Trini ballers aren't ready to stand up for one another, they thinking of their pocket, which is okay, but in this situation what will you stand for? Again, it all comes down to being a man and not letting another man mess with you and treat you like an ass! The exact reason I didn't play in MLS again, because I wasn't going to let anyone treat me like an ass. I won defender of the year, and that still wasn't good enough for Colorado's coach, so I told him to kiss my ass! This might be silly to some, but no man should allow anyone to treat him as though he is less! We must show dignity, and we as players must show the employers that we are in control of our own destiny!

yeah  man i knew you played for us already just was wonding what you would do if  called again now
at this stage in your career
thanks man
respect

BTW you ent tell Ross to piss off did yuh?  :devil:  ;)
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: rick titus on February 14, 2008, 12:32:14 AM
I told Ross that he didn't know what he was doing. His training was geared towards youth players, and his actual game preparation wasn't up to pro standard, and we NEVER worked on team or systemic play... Ever! His heart is always in the right place, but his methods and ideas were dated because he hasn't been around the game enough at a pro level, especially outdoor. Aviators were a mickey mouse show, and it showed in the end! Nineteen different owners with nineteen different opinions, and no leaders anywhere in the organization. Sad really, because the team was quite good if the right players were selected on game day, but that never happened once either. The first game they played without me in the back they lost 6-1! Ross is one of the nicest people I've ever met, but he was really in over his head. I let him know that in a one on one conversation, and we parted ways. He is the first coach I have totally given up on while playing on the field. I nearly walked off because it was soooooo bad at one of the games in Minnesota. The worst mistake he made that year was cutting Charles Gbeke. Google him he was a top scorer in the A-league last year, and debuted for the national team recently. Ridiculous really because the kid is awesome, and Ross thought he was shite because he didn't post well in a 12 minute run!!! What a joke I thought I was on Canada's 1986 World Cup team when I heard that one!! Ridiculous!
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: weary1969 on February 14, 2008, 07:48:22 AM
Y he shock is JW, FPATT have to go straight 2 FIFPRO and let them know that the association refuses to deal wit them.
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Coop's on February 14, 2008, 11:03:00 AM
I played for T&T already. Never got paid a dime and never got reimbursed for my ticket! Total mickey mouse show. As far as me playing for T&T again while players are still getting screwed... Not a friggin chance! If players keep studying their pocket instead of solidarity they will continue to be screwed. I agree with the poster that said Trini's are not ready for that kind of stand. He is damn right. Trini ballers aren't ready to stand up for one another, they thinking of their pocket, which is okay, but in this situation what will you stand for? Again, it all comes down to being a man and not letting another man mess with you and treat you like an ass! The exact reason I didn't play in MLS again, because I wasn't going to let anyone treat me like an ass. I won defender of the year, and that still wasn't good enough for Colorado's coach, so I told him to kiss my ass! This might be silly to some, but no man should allow anyone to treat him as though he is less! We must show dignity, and we as players must show the employers that we are in control of our own destiny!
        Well said Breds,i've been there,at least you had the common sense to move on,i think things like this people have to make personal decisions,some don't have options so they are stuck,it's really sad,as players we can only feel for each other. 
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: zuluwarrior on February 14, 2008, 10:14:18 PM
Their lord you say when my heart is troubled i should come to you this man have many heart troubled, lord i am askin this day to realese us from this  :devil: spirit JACK WARNER that has come upon our soca warriors  please lord i believe and i know you would answer my prez lord , lord give him nightmares that he would be afraid to sleep at nights , show him what you would do to him if he do not free your people the SOCA WARRIORS i am thankin you and prazin your mighty name amen. 
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: WestCoast on February 14, 2008, 10:31:51 PM
Their lord you say when my heart is troubled i should come to you this man have many heart troubled, lord i am askin this day to realese us from this  :devil: spirit JACK WARNER that has come upon our soca warriors  please lord i believe and i know you would answer my prez lord , lord give him nightmares that he would be afraid to sleep at nights , show him what you would do to him if he do not free your people the SOCA WARRIORS i am thankin you and prazin your mighty name amen. 
ask of it Zulu
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: E-man on February 15, 2008, 11:28:07 AM
An own goal before game starts
Express Editorial


Friday, February 15th 2008   

The president of the Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) should not have been so shocked by what appears to be the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation's (T&TFF) hostile attitude to the representative organisation. Almost from its inception-and, certainly during the time of the predecessor of Messrs Jack Warner and Oliver Camps, Mr Eric James-the football body has been wary, to put it mildly, of third party interventions.

So the well-meaning Mr Shaka Hislop would have to be very naive, indeed, to believe that this current incarnation of the game's management here would have welcomed him and his team with open arms, whatever his public insistence that both FPATT and the T&TFF were on the same side in that their joint goal was the advancement of this country's football.

Already there are signs that the T&TFF is spoiling for another fight in the wake of the fall-out from the fee dispute that followed this country's historic participation in the 2006 World Cup in Germany, Mr Warner's public denunciation of the foreign players tepid performance in the Guadeloupe friendly designed to gain early points in the propaganda game.

Even so, we are surprised that the order should already have gone out to the T&TFF's management not to have any truck with the FPATT since, one imagines, that FPATT will only come into the picture if the terms and conditions offered the players are judged by the players themselves to be unfair to the point of being onerous, FPATT's role up to then clearly being advisory.

Whatever the actual procedural approach it does not augur well if, even before a ball is kicked with enthusiasm, an unnecessary stand-off sets in with Trinidad and Tobago's bid to reach the World Cup Finals for a second time becoming roiled in rancour when the country should be focused on having on the ground the best team we can find in terms of talent and attitude, national motivation being taken for granted.

For no good reason that we can see our quest has started late which means that we have some catching up to do. But while it can hardly be argued that these are early days yet, surely there is still time for all the interest groups to concede a role for each other and to determine a way forward that will see this country's national team achieving the goal devoutly wished for by every single Trinbagonian.
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: WestCoast on February 15, 2008, 11:37:29 AM
Mr Austin "Jack" Warner, FIFA VP, President of CONCACAF and CFU, United National Congress Alliance chairman and co-leader, and Football Club owner.

very impressive CV, ent?

but I still can't believe that he refuses to Recognise the FPATT, as FIFA initiative  (Wheys, used the wrong word)  has a memorandum of understanding with FIFPro to setup player associations.
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: rick titus on February 15, 2008, 02:19:48 PM
TO ALL PLAYERS:

JACK AND THE TTFF DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU! WHY ARE YOU ALLOWING YOURSELVES TO BE TREATED THIS WAY? WHY ARE YOU ALLOWING YOUR FELLOW BROTHERS TO CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS SHIT!!! ONLY YOU CAN CHANGE THIS SITUATION! BOYCOTT THEIR ASS AND STAY AWAY, ALL OF YOU, UNTIL THEY GIVE IN OR CHANGE THE CURRENT TTFF! BE STRONG AND WORK TOGETHER ALL OF YOU!! THERE MUST BE A WAY FOR YOU TO WORK TOGETHER TO GET EXTRA MONEY, AND STILL FURTHER YOUR CAREERS, BUT YOU NEED TO WORK TOGETHER!!!!!!!
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: Bakes on February 15, 2008, 03:46:08 PM
Mr Austin "Jack" Warner, FIFA VP, President of CONCACAF and CFU, United National Congress Alliance chairman and co-leader, and Football Club owner.

very impressive CV, ent?

but I still can't believe that he refuses to Recognise the FPATT, as it is a FIFA initiative to setup player associations.
FPATT is in no way, shape or form a "FIFA initiative".
Title: Re: FPATT president Hislop shocked by Warner comments.
Post by: WestCoast on February 15, 2008, 03:48:15 PM
Mr Austin "Jack" Warner, FIFA VP, President of CONCACAF and CFU, United National Congress Alliance chairman and co-leader, and Football Club owner.

very impressive CV, ent?

but I still can't believe that he refuses to Recognise the FPATT, as FIFA initiative  (Wheys, used the wrong word)  has a memorandum of understanding with FIFPro to setup player associations.
FPATT is in no way, shape or form a "FIFA initiative".
FIFA wants palyers associations to be formed....FIFA gave beans to Russia recently

look FPATT post here
"FPATT can play hard and force the issue. We can approach FIFPro who have a memorandum of understanding with FIFA whichformerly recognises FIFPro, and its members, as the sole representatives of players.

FIFPro can then lobby FIFA to ban T&T from international competitions. The same thing happened in Russia."

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=32483.msg375347#msg375347
Title: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Flex on March 25, 2008, 05:06:57 AM
FPATT slam T&TFF.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
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The Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) will officially announce the most illustrious home fixture in their 100-year existence today as they confirm a friendly international against England on June 1 in Port of Spain.

If England's visit is an indication of Trinidad and Tobago's new-found respect as a football nation, the Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT), who claim to represent most of the 2006 World Cup players, remain unimpressed by the Federation's treatment of their players.

The T&TFF refuse to recognise FPATT as the representatives of the island's best players and have been supported in this stance by FIFA vice-president and T&TFF special adviser Jack Warner.

FPATT president Shaka Hislop reiterated, via a press release, that the T&TFF's position is counter-productive, as far as the players' union is concerned, and warned the Federation against alienating the employers of the "Soca Warriors".

Last week, Sunderland manager Roy Keane expressed reluctance to release Trinidad and Tobago winger Carlos Edwards for international duty against Jamaica tomorrow and, after Saturday's English Premiership fixture, claimed that Edwards and striker Kenwyne Jones were unavailable to the Warriors on medical grounds.

The T&TFF accepted Keane's verdict and, according to press officer Shaun Fuentes, will not pursue the matter.

Hislop opined that the Federation were not doing themselves any favours by the "unsatisfactory travel arrangements" made for their star players. He pointed out that Sunderland paid to have Jones' plane ticket upgraded from economy to business class after last month's friendly in Guadeloupe, while things may have been even worse against Jamaica.

"After the unsatisfactory travel arrangements after the Guadeloupe game and the reluctance by Keane to release Carlos Edwards and Kenwyne Jones when they will be required for a crucial Premiership match versus West Ham on Saturday," said Hislop, "it is contemptuous of T&TFF not to make every effort that these players return in the best possible condition.

"Instead, the players will endure an arduous journey of more than 15 hours. The players will fly from Manchester, changing planes at London and Miami, before flying on to Jamaica."

Hislop, a former Newcastle, West Ham and Portsmouth goalkeeper, claimed that the Federation's relationship with clubs has been a recurring problem for their players.

"In the 42 countries where players associations are recognised and respected," said Hislop, "these issues are dealt with in private and satisfactory agreements are in place long before international matches. The reluctance of the T&TFF to respect their players' employers has plagued our own efforts of international success for as long as I can remember.

"It is such a shame because, as a World Cup nation, our players are asked to perform consistently to a level equal to that of Brazil, England, Italy and France. Is it too much to ask the same from the Federation in return?"

Hislop stated that FPATT's members, who include at least six players in the present squad, were also concerned with clauses in their match contracts dealing with issues such as insurance, fees and drug testing.

"If the players sign these contracts, they waive their rights to impartial arbitration, as issues would be settled by a T&TFF-appointed arbitration panel," said Hislop. "This flies in the face of strict new FIFA guidelines which call for independent Dispute Resoloution Chambers of which 50 per cent of members will come from the players association or FIFPro.

"When you consider the sense of distrust between a number of the players and T&TFF that has built up since the 2006 World Cup, including the illegal blacklisting, and the continual financial irregularities that have taken place, you can sense the unease in players presented with these contracts.

"It should be remembered that some of these players may be appearing in arbitration to testify against T&TFF next month. Therefore, it is understandable that our members are reluctant to sign these contracts.

"Most of these issues could be settled amicably between T&TFF and FPATT, but instead we find players becoming increasingly frustrated by their treatment. This can only effect the team spirit and performance."
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on March 25, 2008, 05:31:43 AM
FPATT like they done with the concilliatory tone.

Shaka don't bite nice atall. JW eh find a cure for him yet.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Brownsugar on March 25, 2008, 05:35:48 AM
......my initial reaction to the headline...

oooooooohhhhh guuuudddd!!!   :o :o

OK ah now going to read de article....


Edit:  Ok ah done reading......one question.....what exactly is FPATT's next step?  FPATT certainly cannot go on seemingly pussyfooting with Jackula and he bunch....what next can the organisation do in terms of forcing (if that is what it will take) de TTFF to recognise dem??

In any event.....GO FPATT!!!...doh give up....evil prevails when good men sit back and do nutten...
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Midknight on March 25, 2008, 06:00:13 AM
Last week, Sunderland manager Roy Keane expressed reluctance to release Trinidad and Tobago winger Carlos Edwards for international duty against Jamaica tomorrow and, after Saturday's English Premiership fixture, claimed that Edwards and striker Kenwyne Jones were unavailable to the Warriors on medical grounds.

The T&TFF accepted Keane's verdict and, according to press officer Shaun Fuentes, will not pursue the matter.

Doesn't this contradict the other report?
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: WestCoast on March 25, 2008, 06:26:29 AM
Last week, Sunderland manager Roy Keane expressed reluctance to release Trinidad and Tobago winger Carlos Edwards for international duty against Jamaica tomorrow and, after Saturday's English Premiership fixture, claimed that Edwards and striker Kenwyne Jones were unavailable to the Warriors on medical grounds.
The T&TFF accepted Keane's verdict and, according to press officer Shaun Fuentes, will not pursue the matter.
Doesn't this contradict the other report?
could it be a case of
"yesterday was yesterday,
Today is today
tomorrow is.........aye Grods...wha is tomorrow again?"

according to TTFF, both Carlos and KJ going to be there
http://www.socawarriors.net/news4.htm
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Trini _2026 on March 25, 2008, 06:57:06 AM


"Instead, the players will endure an arduous journey of more than 15 hours. The players will fly from Manchester, changing planes at London and Miami, before flying on to Jamaica."



so no direct flight from london to kingston they have to go through miami ? well the ttff playing the ass and i bet is economy class they would ah be traveling
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Big Magician on March 25, 2008, 08:15:30 AM
allyuh wait and see
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Bakes on March 25, 2008, 08:25:13 AM
FPATT slam T&TFF.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
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Hislop stated that FPATT's members, who include at least six players in the present squad, were also concerned with clauses in their match contracts dealing with issues such as insurance, fees and drug testing.

"If the players sign these contracts, they waive their rights to impartial arbitration, as issues would be settled by a T&TFF-appointed arbitration panel," said Hislop. "This flies in the face of strict new FIFA guidelines which call for independent Dispute Resoloution Chambers of which 50 per cent of members will come from the players association or FIFPro.

Sounds like the players need to talk to their attorneys before going to the press...that is hardly cause for concern.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Coop's on March 25, 2008, 10:53:57 AM
The dog needs to stop barking and start biting.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: E-man on March 25, 2008, 11:00:35 AM
FPATT slam T&TFF.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
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Hislop stated that FPATT's members, who include at least six players in the present squad, were also concerned with clauses in their match contracts dealing with issues such as insurance, fees and drug testing.

"If the players sign these contracts, they waive their rights to impartial arbitration, as issues would be settled by a T&TFF-appointed arbitration panel," said Hislop. "This flies in the face of strict new FIFA guidelines which call for independent Dispute Resoloution Chambers of which 50 per cent of members will come from the players association or FIFPro.

Sounds like the players need to talk to their attorneys before going to the press...that is hardly cause for concern.

You forget the TTFF appointed arbitration panel that was used in the 2002/3 dispute? And there was no player representative on the panel, it was stacked in the TTFF favor.

Quote
Players cannot be fined, banned.
By Keith Clement. (Feb 15, 2003)

“There is no way the committee will support our decision.”
That is the feeling voiced by some members of the 19 professional players that were suspended by the T&T Football Federation on January 28.
The players are concerned with the TTFF hand-picked Arbitration Committee, which comprises Joey Carew, a West Indies senior team selector; Sandra Basheer, a government communications specialist; and Omar Khan, Powergen corporate communication manager.
Speaking to the Sunday Guardian on anonymity, one player said the TTFF has appointed a three-member committee with no representation for the players, so how can justice be done?
The player pointed out: “Ms Basheer was chief executive officer of the Local Organising Committee (LOC) for the 2001 FIFA Under-17 World Cup that T&T hosted. That committee was chaired by Mr Jack Warner, a TTFF advisor, and Ms Basheer was appointed by the TTFF.
“Mr Khan, was also involved in the staging of the FIFA Under-17 World Cup as chairman of the Stadia Board of Management, and he is a very close friend of Mr Warner (FIFA vice president Austin Jack Warner).
“All over the world in arbitration cases, each side selects one member. Then the two members select the third person, who serves as chairperson,” the player said.
“How are we going to get a fair deal when the TTFF appointed all three persons?”
Another player said: “The only person we think will be fair would be Mr Carew, because he was once a player and many people even our advisors have a lot of respect for him.”
One player noted: “According to the the Oxford dictionary, arbitration means settlement of a dispute by an impartial third party. How could we expect Ms Basheer and Mr Khan to be impartial knowing how close they are to the TTFF?”
Another said: “We were told the committee would not be making a decision, so then the magic question is what is the purpose of the committee?”
After the players were suspended, the Sports Ministry met with TTFF president Oliver Camps and instructed the federation to get the matter settled quickly if it wishes to get funds from the Government.
Efforts to contact Oliver Camps, the Football Federation president, and his secretary Richard Groden proved futile. Both men were said to be in meetings whenever the Sunday Guardian called.
Warner is in South Africa as a guest to the country’s Government.
However, a source close to both of the suspended players and the TTFF disagreed with the players thinking about the outcome of the matter.
“Ms Basheer told the players her role and of the committee was to listen to what they had to say and at no time would she get in any argument, or in a shouting match with any of them,” he said.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Bakes on March 25, 2008, 11:11:18 AM
E-man I'm just saying that their are legal remedies still at the players disposal...even though they agreed up front to the TTFF arbitration stipulation, they can get around that stipulation and still have their say in court.  They're not necessarily bound to the terms stipulated by that particular clause.

The players can argue that they signed under duress...and if that argument is successful the arbitration stipulation would be thrown out after the fact.  Alternatively they can try and convince a trier of fact that the contract was one of 'adhesion'...a "take it or leave it" situation.  All of this would be dependent on the applicable body of law in which the issue is tried, but US, UK, European law normally parallel each other, so they'd likely have a case regardless.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Bakes on March 25, 2008, 11:14:54 AM
The dog needs to stop barking and start biting.
How about you get off FPATT's ass?
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Coop's on March 25, 2008, 11:29:09 AM
The dog needs to stop barking and start biting.
How about you get off FPATT's ass?
        Yes Sir.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Bakes on March 25, 2008, 12:18:26 PM
        Yes Sir.

lol...I'm just saying.  In all your posts on the issue of the players' association you seem unnecessarily critical of FPATT, which I personally find kinda surprising.  FPATT has to grow some teeth before it can start to bite.  I would think that as a former national player you would be appreciative of what it is the players' association is trying to do.  As a former national player you should be receiving a stipend/pension or something from the TTFF for your services.  I don't know...but my guess is that other federations probably do this already. 

Whatever personal benefit to you aside, one would think that you more than any of us would be supportive of FPATT...instead you seem to be persistently critical of the organization, and it's just kinda perplexing.  But anyways, such is your right  :beermug:
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Coop's on March 25, 2008, 12:30:55 PM
        Yes Sir.

lol...I'm just saying.  In all your posts on the issue of the players' association you seem unnecessarily critical of FPATT, which I personally find kinda surprising.  I would think that as a former national player you would be appreciative of what it is the players' association is trying to do.  As a former national player you should be receiving a stipend/pension or something from the TTFF for your services.  I don't know...but my guess is that other federations probably do this already. 

Whatever personal benefit to you aside, one would think that you more than any of us would be supportive of FPATT...instead you seem to be persistently critical of the organization, and it's just kinda perplexing.  But anyways, such is your right  :beermug:
         Breds it seem like you have a personel beef with me,you eh see i did not respond to your post,what's your problem if i have a problem with FPATT?if you don't i so far find they not effective and unless i see they doing something positive that will be my view.
         I played ball for the Army they were my employers not TTFF and up to today i still getting benefits from it,i served my country and i also receiving benefits still today,i don't really know where you going with this but i thought i should let you know.Everything is about money today,when FPATT get thouugh let me know.   
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Peong on March 25, 2008, 12:34:46 PM
FPATT slam T&TFF.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
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Hislop stated that FPATT's members, who include at least six players in the present squad, were also concerned with clauses in their match contracts dealing with issues such as insurance, fees and drug testing.

"If the players sign these contracts, they waive their rights to impartial arbitration, as issues would be settled by a T&TFF-appointed arbitration panel," said Hislop. "This flies in the face of strict new FIFA guidelines which call for independent Dispute Resoloution Chambers of which 50 per cent of members will come from the players association or FIFPro.


Exactly the type of situation that has to be avoided.
Don't give the TTFF any room to perform their manoeuvres.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: supporter on March 25, 2008, 12:50:17 PM
E-man I'm just saying that their are legal remedies still at the players disposal...even though they agreed up front to the TTFF arbitration stipulation, they can get around that stipulation and still have their say in court.  They're not necessarily bound to the terms stipulated by that particular clause.

The players can argue that they signed under duress...and if that argument is successful the arbitration stipulation would be thrown out after the fact.  Alternatively they can try and convince a trier of fact that the contract was one of 'adhesion'...a "take it or leave it" situation.  All of this would be dependent on the applicable body of law in which the issue is tried, but US, UK, European law normally parallel each other, so they'd likely have a case regardless.

why take care of all that stuff after the fact when they can straighten it out now
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Bakes on March 25, 2008, 01:33:53 PM

         Breds it seem like you have a personel beef with me,you eh see i did not respond to your post,what's your problem if i have a problem with FPATT?if you don't i so far find they not effective and unless i see they doing something positive that will be my view.
         I played ball for the Army they were my employers not TTFF and up to today i still getting benefits from it,i served my country and i also receiving benefits still today,i don't really know where you going with this but i thought i should let you know.Everything is about money today,when FPATT get thouugh let me know.   

Personal beef?  Nah man, read again.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Bakes on March 25, 2008, 01:35:36 PM
E-man I'm just saying that their are legal remedies still at the players disposal...even though they agreed up front to the TTFF arbitration stipulation, they can get around that stipulation and still have their say in court.  They're not necessarily bound to the terms stipulated by that particular clause.

The players can argue that they signed under duress...and if that argument is successful the arbitration stipulation would be thrown out after the fact.  Alternatively they can try and convince a trier of fact that the contract was one of 'adhesion'...a "take it or leave it" situation.  All of this would be dependent on the applicable body of law in which the issue is tried, but US, UK, European law normally parallel each other, so they'd likely have a case regardless.

why take care of all that stuff after the fact when they can straighten it out now

How...by voicing disapproval in the papers?  Protests?  Strike?


The clause governs any disputes between the Federation and the players...so both parties will end up before some arbiter or the other.  TTFF insists (in the clause) that they have a right to choose the forum...the law says otherwise.  That stipulation likely isn't worth the paper it's printed on, so why worry up front about something that ultimately may be unenforceable in the end? 
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: E-man on March 25, 2008, 02:24:33 PM
E-man I'm just saying that their are legal remedies still at the players disposal...even though they agreed up front to the TTFF arbitration stipulation, they can get around that stipulation and still have their say in court.  They're not necessarily bound to the terms stipulated by that particular clause.

The players can argue that they signed under duress...and if that argument is successful the arbitration stipulation would be thrown out after the fact.  Alternatively they can try and convince a trier of fact that the contract was one of 'adhesion'...a "take it or leave it" situation.  All of this would be dependent on the applicable body of law in which the issue is tried, but US, UK, European law normally parallel each other, so they'd likely have a case regardless.

why take care of all that stuff after the fact when they can straighten it out now

How...by voicing disapproval in the papers?  Protests?  Strike?


The clause governs any disputes between the Federation and the players...so both parties will end up before some arbiter or the other.  TTFF insists (in the clause) that they have a right to choose the forum...the law says otherwise.  That stipulation likely isn't worth the paper it's printed on, so why worry up front about something that ultimately may be unenforceable in the end?

It's all well and good if they know the law is protecting them. I certainly hope they know it now.
Obviously 5 years ago they didn't and put their fate in the hands of just such a TTFF panel.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Reggaefan on March 25, 2008, 02:37:00 PM


"Instead, the players will endure an arduous journey of more than 15 hours. The players will fly from Manchester, changing planes at London and Miami, before flying on to Jamaica."



so no direct flight from london to kingston they have to go through miami ? well the ttff playing the ass and i bet is economy class they would ah be traveling

Last time I checked there were direct flights from London to Kingston. Seems like the T&TFF is running a patty shop similar to what one crenston boxhill did with the JFF recently.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: truetrini on March 25, 2008, 02:38:38 PM


"Instead, the players will endure an arduous journey of more than 15 hours. The players will fly from Manchester, changing planes at London and Miami, before flying on to Jamaica."



so no direct flight from london to kingston they have to go through miami ? well the ttff playing the ass and i bet is economy class they would ah be traveling

Last time I checked there were direct flights from London to Kingston. Seems like the T&TFF is running a patty shop similar to what one crenston boxhill did with the JFF recently.
patty is fuh chi chi man.....and little boys.....we running ah roti shop.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Reggaefan on March 25, 2008, 02:53:37 PM


"Instead, the players will endure an arduous journey of more than 15 hours. The players will fly from Manchester, changing planes at London and Miami, before flying on to Jamaica."



so no direct flight from london to kingston they have to go through miami ? well the ttff playing the ass and i bet is economy class they would ah be traveling

Last time I checked there were direct flights from London to Kingston. Seems like the T&TFF is running a patty shop similar to what one crenston boxhill did with the JFF recently.
patty is fuh chi chi man.....and little boys.....we running ah roti shop.

Roti? I have a little indian restuarant nearby my workplace that sell Roti. My aunt in Jamaica used to make roti when I was a kid growing up as well. 
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: truetrini on March 25, 2008, 03:00:22 PM
yuh mean yuh aunt had ah toti when yuh was growing up...dat would make she yuh uncle.

yuh know yuh is ah blasted troll, yuh does come here with yuh attempts at social engineering...some does bite, I feel when Sam meet yuh and rest ah big stone on yuh nappy ass head yuh go disappear from here :devil:
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Fantastic on March 25, 2008, 04:09:40 PM
FPATT is supposed to act as an in between for TTFF and the players and advise use of or refer an attorney if necessary. If players would only have some balls and understand that FPATT's job would be a lot easier. TTFF doh want players rights upheld at all, so players have to be very careful in their dealings with dem. No players went to de media. FPATT speaking on de behalf of yet to be named players right now. Not trying to disrespect nobody here, but it have some surprising people on dis forum with de mentality of accepting being a house slave because it better than a field slave.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Bakes on March 25, 2008, 04:23:40 PM
It's all well and good if they know the law is protecting them. I certainly hope they know it now.
Obviously 5 years ago they didn't and put their fate in the hands of just such a TTFF panel.


5 years later they are not only organized, but are in apparently capable legal hands...no need for the unnecessary saber rattling in the press, is how I see it.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Reggaefan on March 25, 2008, 04:25:50 PM
yuh mean yuh aunt had ah toti when yuh was growing up...dat would make she yuh uncle.

yuh know yuh is ah blasted troll, yuh does come here with yuh attempts at social engineering...some does bite, I feel when Sam meet yuh and rest ah big stone on yuh nappy ass head yuh go disappear from here :devil:

Truetrini, what is a Toti?

And what exactly do you mean by this: ....on yuh nappy ass head yuh go disappear....
 :timeout:
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on March 25, 2008, 04:29:49 PM
yuh mean yuh aunt had ah toti when yuh was growing up...dat would make she yuh uncle.

yuh know yuh is ah blasted troll, yuh does come here with yuh attempts at social engineering...some does bite, I feel when Sam meet yuh and rest ah big stone on yuh nappy ass head yuh go disappear from here :devil:

Truetrini, what is a Toti?

And what exactly do you mean by this: ....on yuh nappy ass head yuh go disappear....
 :timeout:

Oh lord..... ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: weary1969 on March 25, 2008, 10:14:37 PM
Shaka boi doh give up dem dumbos go c y FPATT is in dey best interest some day soon oui hope
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Coop's on March 26, 2008, 09:04:42 AM
FPATT is supposed to act as an in between for TTFF and the players and advise use of or refer an attorney if necessary. If players would only have some balls and understand that FPATT's job would be a lot easier. TTFF doh want players rights upheld at all, so players have to be very careful in their dealings with dem. No players went to de media. FPATT speaking on de behalf of yet to be named players right now. Not trying to disrespect nobody here, but it have some surprising people on dis forum with de mentality of accepting being a house slave because it better than a field slave.
        I hope people not getting me wrong,if is one person that like the idea of forming an organization like FPATT is me,i think it's important to T&T Football in general.If you look back at the history of our Football you will realize it's not the first time we have tried having an organization like this,the same thing going on now with FPATT and the TTFF is nothing new to me,i was and had been a part of it,i've seen clubs and players destroyed because of it,good people gave up the game, got banned for life because they took a stand for the betterment of the game,nobody not telling me nothing here that i don't know,if FPATT wants to do something for the players they have to stop speaking on behalf of players and start acting on behalf of players because you will not win TTFF with talk,it's not the first time Kelvin Jack and them have been rejected by the TTFF and i'm not saying they should give up either,the thing is nobody is willing to give up what they have for T&T Football every body very carefull with what they doing or saying,it's peoples bread and butter they dealing with,the players are not presenting a united front,if one players not signing contracts none should,if one not accepting payments none should,if all can't travel first class none should,if a couple say they not playing for T&T none should,women,youths etc etc this is how they will have some effect.
        Is there any other country in the Caribbean that have this problem?we laugh at Jamaica after their WC qualification,look how long that was and up to now they have not gotten back to where they were,there are a lot of lesson we should have learned from their experiences but it's T&T that can't happen to us,keep blaming Jack Warner is the same thing Jamaica does do always blaming the boss,a country is the people and like Football without players there is no Football(just a thought).
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Bakes on March 26, 2008, 10:00:57 AM
FPATT is supposed to act as an in between for TTFF and the players and advise use of or refer an attorney if necessary. If players would only have some balls and understand that FPATT's job would be a lot easier. TTFF doh want players rights upheld at all, so players have to be very careful in their dealings with dem. No players went to de media. FPATT speaking on de behalf of yet to be named players right now. Not trying to disrespect nobody here, but it have some surprising people on dis forum with de mentality of accepting being a house slave because it better than a field slave.
        I hope people not getting me wrong,if is one person that like the idea of forming an organization like FPATT is me,i think it's important to T&T Football in general.If you look back at the history of our Football you will realize it's not the first time we have tried having an organization like this,the same thing going on now with FPATT and the TTFF is nothing new to me,i was and had been a part of it,i've seen clubs and players destroyed because of it,good people gave up the game, got banned for life because they took a stand for the betterment of the game,nobody not telling me nothing here that i don't know,if FPATT wants to do something for the players they have to stop speaking on behalf of players and start acting on behalf of players because you will not win TTFF with talk,it's not the first time Kelvin Jack and them have been rejected by the TTFF and i'm not saying they should give up either,the thing is nobody is willing to give up what they have for T&T Football every body very carefull with what they doing or saying,it's peoples bread and butter they dealing with,the players are not presenting a united front,if one players not signing contracts none should,if one not accepting payments none should,if all can't travel first class none should,if a couple say they not playing for T&T none should,women,youths etc etc this is how they will have some effect.
        Is there any other country in the Caribbean that have this problem?we laugh at Jamaica after their WC qualification,look how long that was and up to now they have not gotten back to where they were,there are a lot of lesson we should have learned from their experiences but it's T&T that can't happen to us,keep blaming Jack Warner is the same thing Jamaica does do always blaming the boss,a country is the people and like Football without players there is no Football(just a thought).

You say FPATT needs to stop talking on the parts of players and start acting on the parts of players.  Acting, how...in what manner?

I think we're all cognizant of the fact that the players are not united...is this the fault of FPATT?  As I see it FPATT is trying to act on the behalf of players but it's faced with many challenges, chiefly:

1. Finances- little to no money is available to FPATT.  The donations recently made by the players will go a long way to addressing this, but it's only a start.

2. Player apathy- some are truly apathetic meaning they couldn't be bothered.  Others are cautious, many don't want to be seen as being enemies of the TTFF.  I imagine others are neither apathetic nor cautious, some just hesitant to get on board...waiting for the bandwagon to get rolling before they try and hop on.

3. The TTFF- still a very real and potent force with which to be reckoned and seemingly bent on intimidating tactics.  Their goal seems to be one of speak loudly, puff up yuh chest, flap your wings and try and appear bigger than you truly are...in hopes of cowering the players.  Sad to say it's working.  On top of that they refuse to acknowledge FPATT as being representative of the players.

...others can feel free to append.


So Coops...with all that said, what do you propose FPATT should do to overcome these obstacles...what should be the first step?  Used to be we'd get about three updates a week from FPATT letting us know of the progress/lack thereof being made.  Now we're lucky if we get three a month...and still you say they should talk less and do more.

What more do you realistically think should be done.  I ask not because I'm trying to be contentious, but because you said you have been part of a similar process before and obviously that failed, so maybe you have good ideas that FPATT can put to use and maybe they can learn from your experience.

Looking forward to your response.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Coop's on March 26, 2008, 10:43:26 AM
FPATT is supposed to act as an in between for TTFF and the players and advise use of or refer an attorney if necessary. If players would only have some balls and understand that FPATT's job would be a lot easier. TTFF doh want players rights upheld at all, so players have to be very careful in their dealings with dem. No players went to de media. FPATT speaking on de behalf of yet to be named players right now. Not trying to disrespect nobody here, but it have some surprising people on dis forum with de mentality of accepting being a house slave because it better than a field slave.
        I hope people not getting me wrong,if is one person that like the idea of forming an organization like FPATT is me,i think it's important to T&T Football in general.If you look back at the history of our Football you will realize it's not the first time we have tried having an organization like this,the same thing going on now with FPATT and the TTFF is nothing new to me,i was and had been a part of it,i've seen clubs and players destroyed because of it,good people gave up the game, got banned for life because they took a stand for the betterment of the game,nobody not telling me nothing here that i don't know,if FPATT wants to do something for the players they have to stop speaking on behalf of players and start acting on behalf of players because you will not win TTFF with talk,it's not the first time Kelvin Jack and them have been rejected by the TTFF and i'm not saying they should give up either,the thing is nobody is willing to give up what they have for T&T Football every body very carefull with what they doing or saying,it's peoples bread and butter they dealing with,the players are not presenting a united front,if one players not signing contracts none should,if one not accepting payments none should,if all can't travel first class none should,if a couple say they not playing for T&T none should,women,youths etc etc this is how they will have some effect.
        Is there any other country in the Caribbean that have this problem?we laugh at Jamaica after their WC qualification,look how long that was and up to now they have not gotten back to where they were,there are a lot of lesson we should have learned from their experiences but it's T&T that can't happen to us,keep blaming Jack Warner is the same thing Jamaica does do always blaming the boss,a country is the people and like Football without players there is no Football(just a thought).

You say FPATT needs to stop talking on the parts of players and start acting on the parts of players.  Acting, how...in what manner?

I think we're all cognizant of the fact that the players are not united...is this the fault of FPATT?  As I see it FPATT is trying to act on the behalf of players but it's faced with many challenges, chiefly:

1. Finances- little to no money is available to FPATT.  The donations recently made by the players will go a long way to addressing this, but it's only a start.

2. Player apathy- some are truly apathetic meaning they couldn't be bothered.  Others are cautious, many don't want to be seen as being enemies of the TTFF.  I imagine others are neither apathetic nor cautious, some just hesitant to get on board...waiting for the bandwagon to get rolling before they try and hop on.

3. The TTFF- still a very real and potent force with which to be reckoned and seemingly bent on intimidating tactics.  Their goal seems to be one of speak loudly, puff up yuh chest, flap your wings and try and appear bigger than you truly are...in hopes of cowering the players.  Sad to say it's working.  On top of that they refuse to acknowledge FPATT as being representative of the players.

...others can feel free to append.


So Coops...with all that said, what do you propose FPATT should do to overcome these obstacles...what should be the first step?  Used to be we'd get about three updates a week from FPATT letting us know of the progress/lack thereof being made.  Now we're lucky if we get three a month...and still you say they should talk less and do more.

What more do you realistically think should be done.  I ask not because I'm trying to be contentious, but because you said you have been part of a similar process before and obviously that failed, so maybe you have good ideas that FPATT can put to use and maybe they can learn from your experience.

Looking forward to your response.

     All i will say to you Breds is if i had the answers we or anybody else in the past would not have failed.I might be wrong but my feeling is you can't expect TTFF to embrace you if everything is a fight/arguement,we have to warm up to these people first get them on your side,they seeing us as an opposition and it will not work,i'm sure everybody want to play in that game against England,contract will not matter,injury or no injury they will fly back home,this is what Jack have on everybody,he will find a way for that game to play in T&T.   
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Bakes on March 26, 2008, 10:50:58 AM
     All i will say to you Breds is if i had the answers we or anybody else in the past would not have failed.I might be wrong but my feeling is you can't expect TTFF to embrace you if everything is a fight/arguement,we have to warm up to these people first get them on your side,they seeing us as an opposition and it will not work,i'm sure everybody want to play in that game against England,contract will not matter,injury or no injury they will fly back home,this is what Jack have on everybody,he will find a way for that game to play in T&T.   

No answers...I see.


So you say that everything seems to be a fight as far as FPATT is concerned.  The only fight really has been over the money promised to the players.  Do you believe that the players are owed this money as promised...or do you think it's just greed on their part?

How should FPATT have gone about trying to secure the money promised the players?  Or should they have even undertaken the matter at all?  What do you think?

Since Jack will have his way no matter what should FPATT just give up the ghost and lay down so he can continue to walk all over the players?  Or should they 'fight' for the rights of the players?


Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Coop's on March 26, 2008, 11:05:47 AM
     All i will say to you Breds is if i had the answers we or anybody else in the past would not have failed.I might be wrong but my feeling is you can't expect TTFF to embrace you if everything is a fight/arguement,we have to warm up to these people first get them on your side,they seeing us as an opposition and it will not work,i'm sure everybody want to play in that game against England,contract will not matter,injury or no injury they will fly back home,this is what Jack have on everybody,he will find a way for that game to play in T&T.   

No answers...I see.


So you say that everything seems to be a fight as far as FPATT is concerned.  The only fight really has been over the money promised to the players.  Do you believe that the players are owed this money as promised...or do you think it's just greed on their part?

How should FPATT have gone about trying to secure the money promised the players?  Or should they have even undertaken the matter at all?  What do you think?

Since Jack will have his way no matter what should FPATT just give up the ghost and lay down so he can continue to walk all over the players?  Or should they 'fight' for the rights of the players?


Thanks in advance.

      What i said was this is how the TTFF views the organization,they have always veiwed us that way,before you start they going to say no,they just don't want to hear you,this is because of experiences they have had in the past,how about we start with a list of things that both organizations can agree on and go from there.
      I remember some time ago the US national team players had some problems with pay etc i don'rt know exactly how it was settled but the players had stopped playing until it was settled.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Bakes on March 26, 2008, 11:25:26 AM
      What i said was this is how the TTFF views the organization,they have always veiwed us that way,before you start they going to say no,they just don't want to hear you,this is because of experiences they have had in the past,how about we start with a list of things that both organizations can agree on and go from there.
      I remember some time ago the US national team players had some problems with pay etc i don'rt know exactly how it was settled but the players had stopped playing until it was settled.

Okay...I see what you're saying.  Find mutual ground and build from there.



Makes sense...except it's hard to find mutual ground with someone when they refuse to even acknowledge that you exist.  But the process won't stop.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: dcs on March 26, 2008, 12:46:48 PM
Shaka and Jack have a personal beef that they are carrying on through FPATT vs TTFF

Bakes doh forget we are continually reminded that FPATT have nothing to do with the WC $ issue.

FPATT success will depend on how much it does for local players because that is what they are there for as far as how the unions in FIFPro are set up.  The players not based in T&T are covered by the unions in the respective countries.  But when you have most of the leadership not even in T&T they seem to be more dealing with issues that affect the foreign players even if they affect the local players by association.

They announced they were going to be putting together work shops and all that good stuff for the local players and I think that is where they can be most useful.  The local players can't afford to take the combative position FPATT is taking either...that is more in line with what the foreign based players can afford to do...hence the local players skeptical about joining an organization that supposedly created for them but taking a hardline stance seemingly at every chance they can get.

It also have the question of legitimacy in terms of who they really represent...do they really have the backing of the local players to negotiate on their behalf. Right now to TTFF it might seem as though they mainly have the 16 WC players, Liburd as defacto Press Officer and then a big question mark as to who else other than people who hate TTFF whether they do good or bad intentionally or unintentionally.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: weary1969 on March 26, 2008, 05:49:51 PM
Dcs

I have 2 disagree wit u. If d local players eh sign up wit FPATT it just show how dumb as a people we are. Mind u d foreign base in TNT sign up including d J'can from Joe Public.

As 4 Lisana he is d only journalist dat does ask d hard questions. d newsday cyah spell hard plus d Guardian sports editor is writing d sequel 2 zero 2 hero.

What et al should do just let Jw continue with he nonesense. Why not volunteer with FPATT and see what u can do to help them?
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: kentsoulman on March 26, 2008, 06:45:11 PM
Shaka and Jack have a personal beef that they are carrying on through FPATT vs TTFF

Bakes doh forget we are continually reminded that FPATT have nothing to do with the WC $ issue.

FPATT success will depend on how much it does for local players because that is what they are there for as far as how the unions in FIFPro are set up.  The players not based in T&T are covered by the unions in the respective countries.  But when you have most of the leadership not even in T&T they seem to be more dealing with issues that affect the foreign players even if they affect the local players by association.

They announced they were going to be putting together work shops and all that good stuff for the local players and I think that is where they can be most useful.  The local players can't afford to take the combative position FPATT is taking either...that is more in line with what the foreign based players can afford to do...hence the local players skeptical about joining an organization that supposedly created for them but taking a hardline stance seemingly at every chance they can get.

It also have the question of legitimacy in terms of who they really represent...do they really have the backing of the local players to negotiate on their behalf. Right now to TTFF it might seem as though they mainly have the 16 WC players, Liburd as defacto Press Officer and then a big question mark as to who else other than people who hate TTFF whether they do good or bad intentionally or unintentionally.

What I don't understand is why the local guys are so resentful of FPATT. The overseas players have benefitted by being in unions. They got screwed out of world cup money so they're going to arbitration. They never needed to form FPATT to help themselves. But they did it so the locals and the future internationals won't get screwed again. I don't see any of them sitting in fancy offices in Trinidad or taking salaries. Shaka has a job and the others are playing abroad.

My question is....Why the hell are they bothering? All they get is resentment from the locals, suspision from  many supporters and reprisals from TTFF. They have cut them selves of from any future with the current administration in a coaching or management role.

And I don't see any pro FPATT press articles from anyone except Lasana, so it looks like all the other papers are afraid to go up against TTFF.

I honestly think if I was one of the FPATT members, I would just earn my English pounds and just come back to Trinidad for holidays and international call ups. I know you'll tell me if I am wrong, but isn't this what Yorke and Latapy have done? I don't know if they're members, but they never risked their careers to help the local boys did they? (I've only been on this site for 9 months and I don't remember seeing anything about these two supporting FPATT-but I may be wrong.) 
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: weary1969 on March 26, 2008, 09:32:01 PM
Kent u preach Yorke join ah eh hear bout Lattas.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Bakes on March 26, 2008, 10:13:13 PM
I find it quite interesting...to see your particular take on this issue...

Shaka and Jack have a personal beef that they are carrying on through FPATT vs TTFF

Do you honestly believe that...or are you just saying so flippantly?  Because if you truly believe that then you're actually questioning Shaka's integrity...which would be your right, I just don't know on what basis you make this allegation.  Do you really think Shaka would run to Trinidad at every opportunity to  keep up some nonsense public mud-slinging campaign with Jack Warner at a time when his off-field career is just taking off?  You think he doesn't have a family that he'd prefer to be spending more time with?  It's really kinda disgusting to see that this man is giving so much of himself to try and better the lot of the local footballer....only to see this mauvais langue nonsense posted in return.

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Bakes doh forget we are continually reminded that FPATT have nothing to do with the WC $ issue.

It pays to have a discerning mind sometimes...FPATT is not a party to the suit.  FPATT's involvement in the Bonus dispute is limited to the extent that they are advising the players.  I doubt anyone intended it for you to take it literally that FPATT have nothing to do with the suit.  We need to move beyond the simplistic nit picking I keep seeing on the board...I personally find it difficult to believe that almost a year later you don't understand what is FPATT's capacity in this matter.

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FPATT success will depend on how much it does for local players because that is what they are there for as far as how the unions in FIFPro are set up.  The players not based in T&T are covered by the unions in the respective countries.  But when you have most of the leadership not even in T&T they seem to be more dealing with issues that affect the foreign players even if they affect the local players by association.

Most of what leadership not based in T&T??  Shaka is based in TnT friend...doh let the occasional ESPN gigs fool yuh, the man's business base is in TnT.  Where is Clayton Morris, the VP based?  Who from "the leadership" isn't in TnT?  I fail to see how anything on FPATT's radar affects the local based solely by association.  Maybe you can give us an idea as to what you're talking about because it is becoming evident that you're a bit out of touch with reality.

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They announced they were going to be putting together work shops and all that good stuff for the local players and I think that is where they can be most useful.  The local players can't afford to take the combative position FPATT is taking either...that is more in line with what the foreign based players can afford to do...hence the local players skeptical about joining an organization that supposedly created for them but taking a hardline stance seemingly at every chance they can get.

You must have missed the news...FPATT has been holding workshops, or at least one such workshop/presentation has already been held.  Again, how is FPATT NOT supposed to take a hard line when all they have faced from the TTFF is hostility?  They should keep smiling while Jack and company spit in their faces?  What are some of these hardline stances you claim FPATT has adopted?  It's becoming clear that FPATT just can't win with some of you guys...they're not doing enough, and whatever it is they're doing they're not doing it right.  Is damned if they do, damned if they don't.

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It also have the question of legitimacy in terms of who they really represent...do they really have the backing of the local players to negotiate on their behalf. Right now to TTFF it might seem as though they mainly have the 16 WC players, Liburd as defacto Press Officer and then a big question mark as to who else other than people who hate TTFF whether they do good or bad intentionally or unintentionally.

This ent no "also" it's the same refrain from you over and over..."who does FPATT represent?", "they really representing the foreign-based", "they representing the WC players".  How many of the World Cup players are presently foreign-based?  How many are local?  Should they not advocate on the behalf of those local players now?  If those local players have appointed FPATT their representative to speak for them, who is the TTFF to question their legitimacy?  Now all of a sudden Lasana Liburd is 'de facto Press Officer'.  TTFF could haul dey ass if that is what they want to believe....same for supposed Soca Warriors supporters who only looking to criticize the players' union at every turn.

steups...dealing with some ah allyuh men is a real study in patience yes.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Quags on March 26, 2008, 10:17:38 PM
Shaka and Jack have a personal beef that they are carrying on through FPATT vs TTFF

Bakes doh forget we are continually reminded that FPATT have nothing to do with the WC $ issue.

FPATT success will depend on how much it does for local players because that is what they are there for as far as how the unions in FIFPro are set up.  The players not based in T&T are covered by the unions in the respective countries.  But when you have most of the leadership not even in T&T they seem to be more dealing with issues that affect the foreign players even if they affect the local players by association.

They announced they were going to be putting together work shops and all that good stuff for the local players and I think that is where they can be most useful.  The local players can't afford to take the combative position FPATT is taking either...that is more in line with what the foreign based players can afford to do...hence the local players skeptical about joining an organization that supposedly created for them but taking a hardline stance seemingly at every chance they can get.

It also have the question of legitimacy in terms of who they really represent...do they really have the backing of the local players to negotiate on their behalf. Right now to TTFF it might seem as though they mainly have the 16 WC players, Liburd as defacto Press Officer and then a big question mark as to who else other than people who hate TTFF whether they do good or bad intentionally or unintentionally.

What I don't understand is why the local guys are so resentful of FPATT. The overseas players have benefitted by being in unions. They got screwed out of world cup money so they're going to arbitration. They never needed to form FPATT to help themselves. But they did it so the locals and the future internationals won't get screwed again. I don't see any of them sitting in fancy offices in Trinidad or taking salaries. Shaka has a job and the others are playing abroad.

My question is....Why the hell are they bothering? All they get is resentment from the locals, suspision from  many supporters and reprisals from TTFF. They have cut them selves of from any future with the current administration in a coaching or management role.

And I don't see any pro FPATT press articles from anyone except Lasana, so it looks like all the other papers are afraid to go up against TTFF.

I honestly think if I was one of the FPATT members, I would just earn my English pounds and just come back to Trinidad for holidays and international call ups. I know you'll tell me if I am wrong, but isn't this what Yorke and Latapy have done? I don't know if they're members, but they never risked their careers to help the local boys did they? (I've only been on this site for 9 months and I don't remember seeing anything about these two supporting FPATT-but I may be wrong.) 
I know why ,if they support they will get ban to .Let these guys fight it out for them ,while there banned they will get the Caps and workpermits ,then they will fight from England too ,trinis ent stupid .
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: dcs on March 26, 2008, 10:40:13 PM
correction...Bake and Shark is dey PRO  :rotfl:  boy he cud talk...entire dissertations...anyway lemme go read his pedantic condescending lecture.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: dinho on March 26, 2008, 10:40:31 PM
Shaka and Jack have a personal beef that they are carrying on through FPATT vs TTFF

Bakes doh forget we are continually reminded that FPATT have nothing to do with the WC $ issue.

FPATT success will depend on how much it does for local players because that is what they are there for as far as how the unions in FIFPro are set up.  The players not based in T&T are covered by the unions in the respective countries.  But when you have most of the leadership not even in T&T they seem to be more dealing with issues that affect the foreign players even if they affect the local players by association.

They announced they were going to be putting together work shops and all that good stuff for the local players and I think that is where they can be most useful.  The local players can't afford to take the combative position FPATT is taking either...that is more in line with what the foreign based players can afford to do...hence the local players skeptical about joining an organization that supposedly created for them but taking a hardline stance seemingly at every chance they can get.

It also have the question of legitimacy in terms of who they really represent...do they really have the backing of the local players to negotiate on their behalf. Right now to TTFF it might seem as though they mainly have the 16 WC players, Liburd as defacto Press Officer and then a big question mark as to who else other than people who hate TTFF whether they do good or bad intentionally or unintentionally.

What I don't understand is why the local guys are so resentful of FPATT. The overseas players have benefitted by being in unions. They got screwed out of world cup money so they're going to arbitration. They never needed to form FPATT to help themselves. But they did it so the locals and the future internationals won't get screwed again. I don't see any of them sitting in fancy offices in Trinidad or taking salaries. Shaka has a job and the others are playing abroad.

My question is....Why the hell are they bothering? All they get is resentment from the locals, suspision from  many supporters and reprisals from TTFF. They have cut them selves of from any future with the current administration in a coaching or management role.

And I don't see any pro FPATT press articles from anyone except Lasana, so it looks like all the other papers are afraid to go up against TTFF.

I honestly think if I was one of the FPATT members, I would just earn my English pounds and just come back to Trinidad for holidays and international call ups. I know you'll tell me if I am wrong, but isn't this what Yorke and Latapy have done? I don't know if they're members, but they never risked their careers to help the local boys did they? (I've only been on this site for 9 months and I don't remember seeing anything about these two supporting FPATT-but I may be wrong.) 

kent,

your post exhibits an almost virgin appreciation for the reality of life for the professional baller in trinidad..

you have to understand trinidad is not england. There is no such thing as 'recourse'.  It is extremely difficult for a local baller trying to make ends meet to sacrifice his livelihood for a cause, with no options legal or otherwise for the guaranteed safety of his career.. The foreign based can do that because their business fix, but it is infinitely more difficult for the local based..

At this young stage, throwing his support behind FPATT could mean no national call up = no caps = no overseas options = no career.. Jack will see to that.. And the locals not going and give all that up with no tangible benefit in de forseeable future..

and that is just one side of the coin. I said before and I'll say it again that Trinidadians are not the type to unite and fight for any cause whatsoever.. And for this reason, as much as I respect the noble intentions of FPATT, i have my fears about how far the initiative will get off the ground.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: weary1969 on March 26, 2008, 10:47:09 PM
Omar it have 2 start somewhere someday hopensoon dem ballers go realize FPATT is 4 dey benefit.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: dcs on March 26, 2008, 11:53:21 PM
steups...dealing with some ah allyuh men is a real study in patience yes.

poor you....why do you even bother.  I guess that is the burden of a super hero. (that will have to suffice as response to the immature emotional tone)

As for the points u raised that actually have substance:

Shaka is no god and while I respect his character I will not be so naive to rule out he may think football is better off without Warner or at the very least needs someone to put him in his place. 

You find it difficult to believe I don't understand FPATT's role in the dispute because I do in fact understand their role.  In the context of how they deal with TTFF the dispute plays a big part in the hostile relationship.

If I am out of touch with reality imagine the rest of the T&T public.  This could just be lack of information and we are supposed to assume stuff is going on....and that is taking into account I am aware of the workshops.  Those are the things they need to do more of or at least have it on record if they want the public to know what they are doing.  They can't control what press releases are carried but launching their website would help because when most of the time the stuff in the papers is about Shaka complaining about flight arrangements for foreign based to come back and overall mostly things concerning the national team or that stupidness about the concacaf check, forgive those of us who may be led to believe that is an indication of their focus.

(http://www.fpatt.org/logo42.jpg)
Enough with the soon part it can be as simple as just text or a page with links to press releases that are stored in a folder....it takes the same effort to write them up as to put them online.  All their unpublished press releases can go there.

I agree TTFF has taken a hostile stance against FPATT but I also believe that FPATT taking an aggressive hostile position in response is naively playing right into their hands.  It suits them just fine to slog it out in the papers and avoid having to deal with them.  Sort of like if you are trying to convince someone of your opinion you wouldn't be condescending and obnoxious...ah mean that obviously won't work regardless of their attitude.  The other thing is patience....you can focus on doing things like the workshops and other activities you do not need the TTFF for....do those well and earn the players respect and trust by making sure people know about it.  After that you can push for more. Right now FPATT form yesterday and demanding everything all at once even when this $$ dispute makes that highly unlikely considering the linkage betw FPATT and the 16.

As for legitimacy...is not in TTFF eyes is in the players eyes.  If the majority of the team not with FPATT how FPATT going to negotiate the contracts?  Perception matters a whole lot for FPATT so if they want people and the players to see the "truth" about how they are focusing mostly on the T&T based players then their press releases and activities should reflect same. I believe they could do a better job on that front but it will ultimately be up to the players and also the general public what they think of FPATT.  If the public sees them as just there to fight with Jack then TTFF will be able to continue shunning them...and don't expect any help from FIFA because they and FIFPro ain't always on good terms.

Whatever criticism they get here is for their own good and should be seen as such. Whatever they decide to do time will be the judge.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: kentsoulman on March 27, 2008, 03:58:53 AM
I take on board the poins made from others. However, I think you have over simlyfied some of those points.

You say about players being worried about losing caps and careers, well what about Sancho and Jack? They seem to have had a rough time and it can't be coincidence. I would love them to be playing for The Gills still. I know Jack has a broken leg, but both of them have become untouchables and its not due to their lack of skills. Also, wasn't there a guy playing in USA who's  disapeared, and also Birchill?

It can't have helped their career by being aligned with FPATT.

I don't know how FPATT get money, but they don't seem to have any sponsorship. Even that charity money wasn't much to  run an organisation on. How much does it cost to set up a decent website or run workshops? I have no idea. But it must cost something.

Dictators know that rival organisations will die unless they receive the oxygen of publicity. What is FPATT supposed to put in the papers?

"Today, FPATT spoke to FIFPro over the loan of 5000 paperclips?"  Newspapers only want stories that are confrontational or big news. Maybe FPATT have sent out lots of press releases,but they only print the sensational ones.

DCS said "when most of the time the stuff in the papers is about Shaka complaining about flight arrangements for foreign based to come back and overall mostly things concerning the national team or that stupidness about the concacaf check, forgive those of us who may be led to believe that is an indication of their focus."

These are real issues. I can't believe that the lack of financial proprietry is not a major story across the Caribbean. But as usual, nobody is asking TTFF hard questions. Someone here even said that Warner has a business called concacaf! That is outrageous and the man should be suspended pending investigations. Yet you think FPATT should let him carry on as he has for years.

I read this site and its full of anti Warner and anti TTFF material. So why isn't that the main block to FPATT as well.? It seems to me that if you sit there quietly and do a workshop every 6 months, players will think you're a knitting circle and won't join anyway.



Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Midknight on March 27, 2008, 05:47:25 AM
      I remember some time ago the US national team players had some problems with pay etc i don'rt know exactly how it was settled but the players had stopped playing until it was settled.

Interesting that you brought this up. I just realised that this blacklist is nothing new.
It was before the 2006 hex. They had something similar to the NBA lockout.

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As you undoubtedly heard, the USA got entangled in acrimonious contract negotiations between federation and players. Training camps and friendlies were cancelled, nasty names were called, and the FA recruited a bunch of "replacement players" to play the opener at T&T. The dispute's over, and it's not worth going into the details (hint: it involved money). But it's worth knowing that the players offered to play the T&T game while negotiations were proceeding, but the federation said no and locked them out of camp.
http://www.planetworldcup.com/CUPS/2006/concacaf_p04.html
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Quags on March 27, 2008, 07:03:58 AM
Two words Union Dues .
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Bakes on March 27, 2008, 08:08:59 AM
poor you....why do you even bother.  I guess that is the burden of a super hero. (that will have to suffice as response to the immature emotional tone)

Sometimes the ends justifies the means and me responding goes beyond simply addressing you, and more towards addressing questions that others reading in silence may have.  You refer to my response as 'pedantic'...which only intimates that you may need to better familiarize yourself with the actual meaning of the word.  If in fact I am being pedantic in my methodology and you still cannot uderstand what lies at issue, then that only indicts your own comprehension.  Unfortunately I can't write my response in crayons, that seemingly being the only way to better simplify matters for you.

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As for the points u raised that actually have substance:

Shaka is no god and while I respect his character I will not be so naive to rule out he may think football is better off without Warner or at the very least needs someone to put him in his place. 


Don't try to adjust your earlier statements now.  No one ever said that Shaka is some god or beyond reproach.  It is painfully obvious that Shaka..LIKE MOST TNT SUPPORTERS, recognizes that the less influence/involvement Jack has in local affairs the better the situation would be.  Let him focus on his actual responsibilities and leave the "Special Advisor" nonsense alone.  So even if Shaka is guilty of desiring a separation between Jack and local football, it is quite a reach you make to then simplify his efforts on the parts of local footballers, as being more of a personal vendetta writ large.

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You find it difficult to believe I don't understand FPATT's role in the dispute because I do in fact understand their role.  In the context of how they deal with TTFF the dispute plays a big part in the hostile relationship.

If I am out of touch with reality imagine the rest of the T&T public.  This could just be lack of information and we are supposed to assume stuff is going on....and that is taking into account I am aware of the workshops.  Those are the things they need to do more of or at least have it on record if they want the public to know what they are doing.  They can't control what press releases are carried but launching their website would help because when most of the time the stuff in the papers is about Shaka complaining about flight arrangements for foreign based to come back and overall mostly things concerning the national team or that stupidness about the concacaf check, forgive those of us who may be led to believe that is an indication of their focus.

I can only shake my head at the bolded statements.

You say that the dispute plays a big part in the hostile relationship with the TTFF...but who fomented that dispute?  The fact that the dispute pre-dates...and actually served as the genesis for FPATT should tell you all you need to know.  As for FPATT's other activities...how more active can they be without funding??  In addition to the local workshops they sent two representatives to Spain to participate in the recent FIFPro meetings...or do you not think that important enough?  It's either Clayton Morris and Mr. Harrison paid out of pocket or FPATT undewrote the trip...neither scenario lends a positive indication as to FPATT's current financial status.  Quagmire mentioned union dues....from who?  The much maligned WC 16?  From the local based pros?  How much can a local based player afford to contribute?

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Enough with the soon part it can be as simple as just text or a page with links to press releases that are stored in a folder....it takes the same effort to write them up as to put them online.  All their unpublished press releases can go there.
I agree TTFF has taken a hostile stance against FPATT but I also believe that FPATT taking an aggressive hostile position in response is naively playing right into their hands.  It suits them just fine to slog it out in the papers and avoid having to deal with them.  Sort of like if you are trying to convince someone of your opinion you wouldn't be condescending and obnoxious...ah mean that obviously won't work regardless of their attitude.

First off I can't be bothered with trying to convince anyone of my opinion...that neither fattens my pocket nor makes me sleep better at night.  I engage in debate because I enjoy it, and in the case of issues as serious and worthwhile as this one it's for the edification of others.  You can rest assured that were it just the two of us discussing this face to face I wouldn't even bother wasting my time.  You are evidently dug in in your position, and quite frankly not worth the effort.

As for FPATT's reaction to the hostility of the TTFF, you are seemingly of the misguided position that FPATT has to beg favors of the TTFF.  Management is seldom ever receptive to worker organization, to them that is a threat and no amount of humility or courtesy on the part of FPATT would have made any iota of difference to the TTFF.  If you believe otherwise that somehow smiles and genuflection would bring them around then I posit that it is not FPATT that's being naive here.

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The other thing is patience....you can focus on doing things like the workshops and other activities you do not need the TTFF for....do those well and earn the players respect and trust by making sure people know about it.  After that you can push for more. Right now FPATT form yesterday and demanding everything all at once even when this $$ dispute makes that highly unlikely considering the linkage betw FPATT and the 16.

If you can't see the relevance of the two financial disputes to the local players then I don't know what to tell you.  Apart from the obvious, that there are local based professionals entangled in both disputes, the latter dispute regarding the FIFA bonus has already brought fruit to local professionals.  $40,000 US worth of fruit for that matter.  The truth is often right before our eyes, it is on us if we choose to acknowledge it or not.

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As for legitimacy...is not in TTFF eyes is in the players eyes.  If the majority of the team not with FPATT how FPATT going to negotiate the contracts?  Perception matters a whole lot for FPATT so if they want people and the players to see the "truth" about how they are focusing mostly on the T&T based players then their press releases and activities should reflect same. I believe they could do a better job on that front but it will ultimately be up to the players and also the general public what they think of FPATT.  If the public sees them as just there to fight with Jack then TTFF will be able to continue shunning them...and don't expect any help from FIFA because they and FIFPro ain't always on good terms.

Whatever criticism they get here is for their own good and should be seen as such. Whatever they decide to do time will be the judge.

All this talk about "the public...the public"...FPATT's mandate isn't the public.  I don't speak for them but I could certainly see a number of reasons why their focus shouldn't be on the public.  That said, to say that they absolutely don't need public support itself would be false.  I'd wager though that FPATT already enjoys the sentimental support of the footballing public because most of us have long grown tired of the corruption and mismanagement of local football.  Others seemingly are either content with the status quo or haven't taken any reasonable appreciation of the exact cost that change will demand.  Discussing the matter over tea and crumpets hasn't worked, nor has other behind the scenes attempts to engage the TTFF, more realistic measures are thus what's being employed.

I believe (based on the meeting with the Pro League) that local footballers have all the information they need for now as to exactly how FPATT can benefit them.  The ball is now in their court to either continue to be paralyzed by fear and succumb to the TTFF's intimidation tactics, or be willing to sacrifice a little for a better end.  Look at the history of player organizations around the world....success never comes easy and the toll exacted on the pioneers is always greatest.  Footballers all of us need to decide just how much they we really want change...and how much they we really want to pay for it.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: E-man on March 27, 2008, 10:48:57 AM
They can't control what press releases are carried but launching their website would help because when most of the time the stuff in the papers is about Shaka complaining about flight arrangements for foreign based to come back and overall mostly things concerning the national team or that stupidness about the concacaf check, forgive those of us who may be led to believe that is an indication of their focus.

(http://www.fpatt.org/logo42.jpg)
Enough with the soon part it can be as simple as just text or a page with links to press releases that are stored in a folder....it takes the same effort to write them up as to put them online.  All their unpublished press releases can go there.

At the very least they should redirect their web domain to Flex's page here:

http://www.socawarriors.net/FPATT.htm

That shouldn't take more than a minute to do.

Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: dcs on March 28, 2008, 11:30:29 AM

time will tell.
Title: Re: FPATT slam T&TFF.
Post by: Bakes on March 28, 2008, 01:22:16 PM
At the very least they should redirect their web domain to Flex's page here:

http://www.socawarriors.net/FPATT.htm

That shouldn't take more than a minute to do.



I think that's a great suggestion that someone ought to bring to their attention.
Title: FPATT To Promote Player's Rights
Post by: Arouca on April 15, 2008, 10:48:56 AM
The Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) in conjunction with the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs will be holding a meeting on tomorrow to help promote the right of players in Trinidad and Tobago.

The meeting will be held at the President’s Box of the Queen’s Park Oval at 2.00 pm. The Ministry, in principle, has already indicated their support of FPATT’s aims and objectives which is in keeping with the ideals of the West Indies Players Association (WIPA) which the Ministry supports.

FPATT president and former TT goalkeeper, Shaka Hislop will be present in a symbolic handover of FPATT’s constitution, three year budget and other relevant documents.
Title: Re: FPATT To Promote Player's Rights
Post by: Coop's on April 15, 2008, 11:02:58 AM
The Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) in conjunction with the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs will be holding a meeting on tomorrow to help promote the right of players in Trinidad and Tobago.

The meeting will be held at the President’s Box of the Queen’s Park Oval at 2.00 pm. The Ministry, in principle, has already indicated their support of FPATT’s aims and objectives which is in keeping with the ideals of the West Indies Players Association (WIPA) which the Ministry supports.

FPATT president and former TT goalkeeper, Shaka Hislop will be present in a symbolic handover of FPATT’s constitution, three year budget and other relevant documents.
         These are positive signs,when you have the support of departments like this it gives you more teeth,good work Shaka please don't give up. 
Title: Re: FPATT To Promote Player's Rights
Post by: E-man on April 15, 2008, 11:11:00 AM
Good news.

Though there is no women's pro league yet, are the women playing on the national team eligible to sign up for FPATT?
Title: Re: FPATT To Promote Player's Rights
Post by: Bakes on April 15, 2008, 01:05:39 PM
Good news.

Though there is no women's pro league yet, are the women playing on the national team eligible to sign up for FPATT?


That's a good question...but amateurs can represent internationally and my guess is that the Assoc. is for professionals?  At any rate one would think that any benefits derived by the national men would similarly apply to the ladies.




btw....great move on the part of FPATT, this is just the start of something big, watch.  FPATT is here to stay whether Jack wants to acknowledge it now or sometime later when he watching from Hell.
Title: Re: FPATT To Promote Player's Rights
Post by: Babalawo on April 16, 2008, 07:18:22 AM
The Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) in conjunction with the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs will be holding a meeting on tomorrow to help promote the right of players in Trinidad and Tobago.

The meeting will be held at the President’s Box of the Queen’s Park Oval at 2.00 pm. The Ministry, in principle, has already indicated their support of FPATT’s aims and objectives which is in keeping with the ideals of the West Indies Players Association (WIPA) which the Ministry supports.

FPATT president and former TT goalkeeper, Shaka Hislop will be present in a symbolic handover of FPATT’s constitution, three year budget and other relevant documents.

The FPATT rubbing it in the TTFF face that they're an honest organization that will turn over there budget to the Ministry
Title: FPATT Thread
Post by: E-man on April 16, 2008, 08:04:38 PM
Football union vows to end players’ woes.
By Gregory Trujillo (Guardian).


Day-to-day worries of the footballer in T&T will now be something of the past. In highlighting the benefit package for members of the Football Players Association of T&T (FPATT), Shaka Hislop outlined that his organisation will not only be serving national players and professionals but also the women players and those playing as semi professionals.

“We hope to be representing all the players in the country, as well as providing insurance and financial advice,” said Hislop, the FPATT president.

“We will be taking away the day to day worries of the player, who will now be able to focus and play football,” added the former top national goalkeeper at a press conference at the President’s Box, Queen’s Park Oval.

Speaking on the occasion of the handing over of relevant documentation, including a three-year budget and its constitution, to the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs, Hislop noted: “This is a big day for football players in T&T”.

“Every footballer would now have a voice in pursuing their profession.”

Dave Bobb, speaking on behalf of Minister Gary Hunt, who was absent, said the ministry recognised the important efforts made by FPATT.

As of yesterday, FPATT had a membership of 65 registered players.

“I am very confident that when we are up and running this number will increase rapidly,” said Hislop.

In the past, Hislop said, players expected support from the governing TTFF and officials. “When it didn’t come they felt demoralised.”

FPATT handed over a three-year budget to the Ministry and the association hopes to be fully self-supporting thereafter.

“We are exploring a number of commercial opportunities not only here but abroad,” said Hislop, who quit the game not long after playing for T&T in the World Cup in Germany in 2006.

(http://www.guardian.co.tt/presentation%20pg%2078.jpg)
Former national goalkeeper and president of the Football Players Association of T&T,
SHAKA HISLOP (right) hands over documents to DAVE BOBB, assistant Director of Physical Education and Sport in the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs. The documents were requested by Minister Gary Hunt, in order to provide assistance to the organisation.


Title: Re: Football union vows to end players’ woes
Post by: dreamer on April 16, 2008, 08:54:50 PM
Great story E-man ..... nuff respect Shaka. The beginnings of a shift or swing in the appearance of vulnerability and exploitability of the warriors is being seen .... for male and female players. Cannot underscore enough how crucial this story is. This is one of the true antidotes to the wickedness of Jackula.

E-man, well done again  :applause:
Title: Re: Football union vows to end players’ woes
Post by: kounty on April 16, 2008, 09:08:03 PM
brill-f**king-ant!!!!
that is the way to make ttff obsolete!
Title: Re: Football union vows to end players’ woes
Post by: Agent Jack Bauer on April 16, 2008, 10:10:22 PM
i like dis kinna ting.....good over evil
Title: Re: Football union vows to end players’ woes
Post by: Storeboy on April 16, 2008, 10:17:50 PM
So what the TTFF have to say now?  Or rather, What does Jack have to say?  Where is their budget?  Bring it on Jack! Bring it on!
Title: Re: Football union vows to end players’ woes
Post by: trinbago on April 16, 2008, 11:05:10 PM
Now that is the heart of a True Warrior...   :applause: to you Shaka.
This is big step in a new era for TnT football...
Title: Re: Football union vows to end players’ woes
Post by: superoli on April 17, 2008, 01:47:08 AM
" including a three-year budget and its constitution, to the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs"

yet we cant see one dam thing from TTFF
Title: Re: Football union vows to end players’ woes
Post by: Brownsugar on April 17, 2008, 05:48:54 AM
.....and in a cave somewhere a certain vampire and his croonies are looking on with concern and envy....take dat yuh friggin oppressor!!!......


  GO SHAKA....GO FPATT    ..... :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Football union vows to end players’ woes
Post by: ZANDOLIE on April 17, 2008, 09:10:37 AM
Great job FPATT. Yuh winning them over one heart at a time.  Come on footballers, show your courage, it takes 2 hands to clap.
Title: Re: Football union vows to end players’ woes
Post by: Babalawo on April 17, 2008, 07:09:22 PM
So what the TTFF have to say now?  Or rather, What does Jack have to say?  Where is their budget?  Bring it on Jack! Bring it on!
ent  :applause:
Title: Re: Football union vows to end players’ woes
Post by: zuluwarrior on April 17, 2008, 09:52:11 PM
Oppressor , impresser Jack yuh jus spratt .
Title: Re: Football union vows to end players’ woes
Post by: weary1969 on April 18, 2008, 10:08:38 AM
I wish dem well but it hard 2 but your head out for peps who eh have d balls to sign a form
Title: Re: Football union vows to end players’ woes
Post by: Coop's on April 18, 2008, 10:27:18 AM
I wish dem well but it hard 2 but your head out for peps who eh have d balls to sign a form
        Weary i kind of sympathise with the players and we have to understand this is something new to them especially the locals who are not true Pros in the sense,most of these guys have a job and play Football part time,the Pros at home is more or less the foreigners,i know for sure Defence Force players can't sign that,i'm sure the same goes for Police and other services,how many players are full time Pros in T&T that's why may be peps don't have balls to sign,most local players i don't think depend on Football solely as a livelihood if they did i think they would.Shaka and his organisation has to set up meetings with each club and sell this thing to them,i'm sure we on this website know more about PFATT than T&T players.   
Title: Re: Football union vows to end players’ woes
Post by: weary1969 on April 18, 2008, 10:32:38 AM
Coops I understand but it comes a point when you have u make a stand Shaka and dem cyah b willing 2 take all d licks.
Title: Re: Football union vows to end players’ woes
Post by: pardners on April 18, 2008, 10:44:16 AM
I don't think FPATT is only for professional footballers, so anybody could join.

It so easy for FPATT to make up the documents the Minister ask for and submit it.  TTFF playing the arse.

BTW....looking at the picture, ah find that proposal kinda small boy.

Like is a one page something that saying...

"What we want...1st year - $1million TT....2nd yr  - 2million.....3rd yr - 3million."
 ;D
Title: Re: Football union vows to end players’ woes
Post by: weary1969 on April 18, 2008, 10:47:10 AM
If it long dey eh go read it
Title: Re: Football union vows to end players’ woes
Post by: Coop's on April 18, 2008, 10:51:22 AM
I don't think FPATT is only for professional footballers, so anybody could join.

It so easy for FPATT to make up the documents the Minister ask for and submit it.  TTFF playing the arse.

BTW....looking at the picture, ah find that proposal kinda small boy.

Like is a one page something that saying...

"What we want...1st year - $1million TT....2nd yr  - 2million.....3rd yr - 3million."
 ;D

         My understanding it was only for professional players,that's why some people was asking about women players etc etc   
Title: Re: Football union vows to end players’ woes
Post by: E-man on April 18, 2008, 10:54:33 AM
I don't think FPATT is only for professional footballers, so anybody could join.

It so easy for FPATT to make up the documents the Minister ask for and submit it.  TTFF playing the arse.

BTW....looking at the picture, ah find that proposal kinda small boy.

Like is a one page something that saying...

"What we want...1st year - $1million TT....2nd yr  - 2million.....3rd yr - 3million."
 ;D

         My understanding it was only for professional players,that's why some people was asking about women players etc etc   

Shaka answered that at the press conference:

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Shaka Hislop outlined that his organisation will not only be serving national players and professionals but also the women players and those playing as semi professionals.
Title: Re: Football union vows to end players’ woes
Post by: weary1969 on April 18, 2008, 11:34:29 AM
Eman u beat me 2 it
Title: FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
Post by: Flex on April 24, 2008, 05:29:09 AM
FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
T&T Guardian Reports.
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Football Players Association of T&T (FPATT) intends to shape the future of professional football in the country. In it’s mission statement, FPATT will also be providing a vehicle to facilitate collective bargaining which includes international appearance fees. In addition, the association will be providing a minimum standard contract of employment for professional footballers and youth players.

Football Players Association of T&T
Mission Statement


1. To provide an elected representative body that can address the concerns of professional footballers in T&T.

2. To achieve 100 per cent membership of professional footballers in T&T.

3. To provide professional footballers with the ability through a representative body to help govern and shape the future of profesional football in T&T.

4. To provide a vehicle to facilitate collective bargaining on behalf of the membership including pre-set international appearance fees.

5. To provide a maximum standard contract of employement for professional footballers and youth players to provide security for clubs and players alike and to give players access to free legal advice.

6. To arrange sponsorship and funding to put into place insurance for players in case of career ending injuries.

7. To work alongside TTFF to help encourage football in the community projects to help to increase the attraction of the professional game in T&T with both supporters and prospective players.

8. To arrange an affordable professional footballers group pension scheme with the long term aim of clubs contributing on behalf of players.

9. To provide education and advice to assist players leaving the game to obtain new careers outside football.

10. To liaise with FIFPRO and the other COINCACAF players associations to develop similar working practices across the region, improving the attraction of football as a profession and increasing the standards of professional football in the Caribnbean.

11. To lobby for changes in the governing of the game at all levels to provide financial transparency.

12. To provide player representation for the benefit of players and clubs alike, to reduce much needed finances going to outside parties, and to arrange in association with the TTFF more stringent agent licensing. 
 
(http://www.guardian.co.tt/fpatt%202%20pg%2079.jpg)
 
DAVE BOBB (right) of the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs, attracts the attention of LEONSON LEWIS (left) and CLAYTON MORRIS (centre) at the Football Players Association of T&T press conference last week at Queen’s Park Oval. In Bob’s hand is documents asked for by his ministry from FPATT. Photo: Clyden Mc Donald.
Title: Re: FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
Post by: trinikev on April 24, 2008, 10:07:25 AM
well done FPATT  :applause:  to quote Andre Samuel, ah love it!!
Title: Re: FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
Post by: Fyzoman on April 24, 2008, 10:18:42 AM
FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
T&T Guardian Reports.
[/size]

Football Players Association of T&T (FPATT) intends to shape the future of professional football in the country. In it’s mission statement, FPATT will also be providing a vehicle to facilitate collective bargaining which includes international appearance fees. In addition, the association will be providing a minimum standard contract of employment for professional footballers and youth players.

Football Players Association of T&T
Mission Statement


1. To provide an elected representative body that can address the concerns of professional footballers in T&T.

2. To achieve 100 per cent membership of professional footballers in T&T.

3. To provide professional footballers with the ability through a representative body to help govern and shape the future of profesional football in T&T.

4. To provide a vehicle to facilitate collective bargaining on behalf of the membership including pre-set international appearance fees.

5. To provide a maximum standard contract of employement for professional footballers and youth players to provide security for clubs and players alike and to give players access to free legal advice.

6. To arrange sponsorship and funding to put into place insurance for players in case of career ending injuries.

7. To work alongside TTFF to help encourage football in the community projects to help to increase the attraction of the professional game in T&T with both supporters and prospective players.

8. To arrange an affordable professional footballers group pension scheme with the long term aim of clubs contributing on behalf of players.

9. To provide education and advice to assist players leaving the game to obtain new careers outside football.

10. To liaise with FIFPRO and the other COINCACAF players associations to develop similar working practices across the region, improving the attraction of football as a profession and increasing the standards of professional football in the Caribnbean.

11. To lobby for changes in the governing of the game at all levels to provide financial transparency.

12. To provide player representation for the benefit of players and clubs alike, to reduce much needed finances going to outside parties, and to arrange in association with the TTFF more stringent agent licensing. 
 
(http://www.guardian.co.tt/fpatt%202%20pg%2079.jpg)
 
DAVE BOBB (right) of the Ministry of Sport and Youth Affairs, attracts the attention of LEONSON LEWIS (left) and CLAYTON MORRIS (centre) at the Football Players Association of T&T press conference last week at Queen’s Park Oval. In Bob’s hand is documents asked for by his ministry from FPATT. Photo: Clyden Mc Donald.

watching Leo and JB, ah wonder if there was a time when Camps and dem others really was in it for de love(and advancement) of de game here in TnT or if dem fellahs get into it solely for monetary gain and power?
Title: Re: FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
Post by: trinbago on April 24, 2008, 10:26:14 AM
 :beermug:
Title: Re: FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
Post by: Deeks on April 24, 2008, 03:08:35 PM
I like the tie. I have to get one.
Title: Re: FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
Post by: Bakes on April 24, 2008, 03:30:08 PM
This is how you undertake things in a professional manner...God-willing one day FPATT will be able to have an amicable relationship with the TTFF.
Title: Re: FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
Post by: dreamer on April 24, 2008, 04:57:44 PM
Dread, ah feel real realllllllll proud to see meh own boys sharp as evah, organized, professionally dressed, creatively uniformed in businesslike patriotic colours, visible as powerful marketing statements and ready to answer to the media, oversight committees, political and accounting bodies.... And look who is de face of FPATT here. De baddest left winger to EVER play for T&T and de most no-nonsense captain/defender to play for T&T. These are fellahs who doh make joke when dey say dey serious and who doh stand, as another poster said, for no "4cree". Systematic planning bearing serious fruit. De only way to counter oppressive exploitation  :applause: :applause:

Boy ah proud ah dem ... in stark contrast to the putrid kakaholeness of Jackula, Scamps, Rodent and dey exploitative bamcee-licking minions.

FPATT, you will have my support. Nuff respect  :salute:
Title: Re: FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
Post by: Bakes on April 24, 2008, 06:11:59 PM
Dread, ah feel real realllllllll proud to see meh own boys sharp as evah, organized, professionally dressed, creatively uniformed in businesslike patriotic colours, visible as powerful marketing statements and ready to answer to media, oversight committee, political and accounting bodies.... And look who is de face of FPATT here. De baddest left winger to EVER play for T&T and de most no-nonsense captain/defender to play for T&T. These are fellahs who doh make joke when dey say dey serious and who doh stand, as another poster said, for no "4cree". Systematic planning bearing serious fruit. De only way to counter oppressive exploitation  :applause: :applause:

Boy ah proud ah dem ... in stark contrast to the putrid  kakaholeness of Jackula, Scamps, Rodent and dey exploitative bamcee-licking minions.

FPATT, you will have my support. Nuff respect  :salute:

True talk indeed.

For all the (deserved) attention that Shaka gets here and in the press, let's not forget men like Clayton, Tiger, Leonson, Brent Sancho and Kelvin Jack.  All these men are making valuable contributions far removed from the spotlight, and in the case of Sancho and Jack...at the expense of their professional careers...don't think this blacklist extends to just the National team.  Kudos to these fellas for getting this thing off the ground and running.
Title: Re: FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
Post by: Babalawo on April 24, 2008, 06:27:58 PM
big up fpatt and the entire movement
Title: Re: FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
Post by: dreamer on April 24, 2008, 07:32:15 PM

True talk indeed.

For all the (deserved) attention that Shaka gets here and in the press, let's not forget men like Clayton, Tiger, Leonson, Brent Sancho and Kelvin Jack.  All these men are making valuable contributions far removed from the spotlight, and in the case of Sancho and Jack...at the expense of their professional careers...don't think this blacklist extends to just the National team.  Kudos to these fellas for getting this thing off the ground and running.


Most definitely! Some simple algebra... Watch meh ..... Sancho = hero. Y'undastan'. He and Kelvin was in de vanguard when de backlash was threatenin'  to most likely destroy bot' ah dem. Ah doh care how much hard times he encounters in life, he and Kelvin have the spirit of FPATT branded all over their hearts and I will always be grateful to dem breddahs. And similar kudos to the next wave wit' Leslie and dem. Dat is Trini fuh yuh.
Title: Re: FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
Post by: weary1969 on April 24, 2008, 08:01:12 PM
Keep at it evil prevail when good men 2 nutten
Title: Re: FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
Post by: zuluwarrior on April 24, 2008, 08:17:46 PM
Jack boy ah told yuh ass long time ago one day, one day congotay buh yuh did not believe me , yuh feel yuh bullshit would ah last forever

buh yuh ass lie ,you jack would have to work wid FPATT weather yuh like it or not , yuh have to come to the table with yuh  unorganize

self and talk wid the new breed of organize trini FPATT forever.
Title: Re: FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
Post by: Midknight on April 24, 2008, 08:33:46 PM
and in the case of Sancho and Jack...at the expense of their professional careers...don't think this blacklist extends to just the National team.

True dat.

I would really like to get the details on what went on in Gillingham back room for 2 world cup quality players to ketch their royal like that.
Title: Re: FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
Post by: pass(10trini) on April 24, 2008, 09:41:51 PM
If this is the way the Government deciding to take things, I have to agree with these new developments. TTFF playing higher than almighty so go with the players association and make Camps and them hold they tongue. Put ah spoke in dey wheel.

We like it sooooo ;D
Title: Re: FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
Post by: Bakes on April 24, 2008, 10:23:05 PM
and in the case of Sancho and Jack...at the expense of their professional careers...don't think this blacklist extends to just the National team.

True dat.

I would really like to get the details on what went on in Gillingham back room for 2 world cup quality players to ketch their royal like that.


Yeah I mihself doh really know what went on, but as the saying goes...God doh like ugly Gills m'gmt go get what they have coming to them, I'm sure.  Then to add insult to injury Jack come and break he leg and Sancho was forced to make his 40 day/40 night sojourn in the professional desert.  Brent has a small crack of an opportunity now and Jack is on the mend and walking again...hopefully this summer-into-August will bring better news for both.
Title: Re: FPATT to shape pro football in T&T.
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 25, 2008, 04:44:49 AM
Fyzoman, Dreamer, Midknight, ah really feelin' allyuh posts and questions asked.......Much praise has to be sung to the of the courage of some like the men we are seeing and hearing that have sacrificed to stand up to the likes of jackula and co. and much scorn to be had for some of his many many minions in T&T football while you just have to pity the others. 
         
          We are a very small country where a man of jackula's power, can influence many people that are truly in this for the pure love of it while others want solely to benefit like he does. If the facts of just some of jackula's very, very nasty ways were to come out, i'm sure many of us might STILL be shocked even after this point, as to the lengths that this man would go to undermine, bleed, hold for ransom and suck off of: big clubs; small clubs; Associations; players and, sadly, his own people.  if only some of them facts come out, then it may be of little surprise to some of if we were to later find out that the reach of his blacklist extended well into and far beyond the reach of the board room in question.

      We know what jackula is about, where he trying to keep T&T football and who he is trying to set up as his sole beneficiaries. Sancho and Jack, Leo, Shaka and the whole crew at FPATT, are pulling T&T football forward for the benefit of us all. As my Grandmother used to say: "man can do as he please, but not for as long as he please."

   jackula and co. will be exposed
Title: FPATT at Parliament
Post by: Tallman on April 28, 2008, 01:39:02 PM
FPATT at Parliament
FPATT Media


Trinidad & Tobago. goalkeeper, Kelvin Jack,  Mike Townley, the lawyer representing the 16 World Cup players in their arbitration hearing this week against the TTFF, and FPATT International Development Manager,Kevin Harrison, had a very productive meeting last tuesday with Derek Wyatt MP (a former England rugby international and chairman of the All Party Parliamentary 2012 Olympics Committee) and Alan Keen MP (chairman of the All Party Parliamentary Football Committee).
 
They discussed several topics including the forthcoming arbitration, the match vs England and the lack of recognition of FPATT by TTFF and their defiance of the FIFA/FIFPro memorandum of understanding and FIFAs regulations concerning Dispute Resoloution Chambers.
 
Kevin Harrison said "This meeting was to bring British MPs up to date on events involving Trinidad & Tobago footballers that also effect footballers in England, such as the inability to access FIFAs ethics committee unless a national football association presents your case."
 
"Both MPs were very interested in hearing about our issues" said Kelvin Jack "I was particularly pleased to meet Derek Wyatt MP, as he is my local constituent MP."
 
Mike Townley said " This week is a big week for the players involved in the arbitration case, and the decision made here in London could have a massive impact on the organisation and accountability of football federations around the world. World Cup football is big business and those associations taking part must ensure that they operate with transparency and  that their agreements with players are accurate and professionally negotiated."
 
Harrison added  "As always, FPATT is keen to work with TTFF to assist in the smooth running of football in Trinidad & Tobago."
 
FPATT representatives will be meeting with Mr Wyatt and Mr Keen again in the near future to continue discussions.
Title: Re: FPATT at Parliament
Post by: weary1969 on April 28, 2008, 02:02:09 PM
Excellent just talk 2 Marv and organize a meeting with d PM.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: WestCoast on May 01, 2008, 03:52:05 AM
FPATT, allya could sell your Black Shirt for the England Game.
anybody have pictures as I  cant seem to find them on here
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Football supporter on May 01, 2008, 01:01:12 PM
We had these made specially. Probably too hot and formal!

http://www.thewarriornation.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,40/?g2_itemId=251   

 Momento.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: E-man on May 01, 2008, 01:20:56 PM
We had these made specially. Probably too hot and formal!

http://www.thewarriornation.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,40/?g2_itemId=251   

 Momento.

Yuh mean these
(http://www.thewarriornation.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=5369&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=c010f61c935737eeee268c8b508f2463)
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: frico on May 01, 2008, 01:30:34 PM
By post. 8)
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: WestCoast on May 01, 2008, 03:09:32 PM
Thanks FPATT and E-Man, looking good, but a Golf shirt style woud be great. ( or even a T Shirt  ;) )
Title: Re: FPATT at Parliament
Post by: Babalawo on May 01, 2008, 04:46:56 PM
People is TnT Is this being covered by the local media CNC3, the Express, and others?  If not I think its the FPATT obligation to have their media dept make sure this get covered to make the public aware of the cause.  Shaka working for ESPN should no this especially
Title: Re: FPATT at Parliament
Post by: weary1969 on May 01, 2008, 08:33:58 PM
FPATT media now dat is a thought. D other media besides d express now realize a story dey lil slow
Title: Re: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites again
Post by: takenoprisoners on May 25, 2008, 08:49:32 AM
This is what bothering me. Now that this impasse is going into arbritration, will these guys sign contract before they play. How will the foreign and local players coordinate. Does FPATT have all the players(local and foreign) on board. I aint trusting TTFF. It could be divide and rule situation still.

Did FPATT advise any players or negotiate any contracts on their behalf for the upcoming game vs England?
Title: Re: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites again?
Post by: mwanasoka on May 25, 2008, 09:46:45 AM
Nice thread.
I doh know if FPATT can afford lawyers but ah sure socawarrior member Lawyers could donate some
PRO BONO representation fuh now.Also,OVERSEAS PROS who use tuh contracts could offer ah lil PRO SE advice to de local yutes.Man like Yorke,Latas... what want tuh coach technical skills could also coach contractual basics. " EACH ONE TEACH ONE ".MENTOR AH YUTE NAH ! FPATT would be de communication center fuh all de members,via e-mail/phone anyway.
Title: Re: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites again?
Post by: Football supporter on May 25, 2008, 10:03:55 AM
Unfortunately, until TTFF are prepared to sit down with FPATT at the negotiating table, players have to decide whether or not to sign the contracts offered to them. Some players have refused to sign them and some have sign contracts covering World Cup qualifying matches.

There are aspects of these contracts that we are not happy with and have advised members not to sign. But players have to decide for themselves who has their best interests at heart.
Title: Re: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites again?
Post by: mwanasoka on May 25, 2008, 10:19:00 AM
Keep up the Good Work FPATT ! Good lookin out !
God Bless. :notworthy:
Title: Re: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites again?
Post by: takenoprisoners on May 25, 2008, 10:24:54 AM
Unfortunately, until TTFF are prepared to sit down with FPATT at the negotiating table, players have to decide whether or not to sign the contracts offered to them. Some players have refused to sign them and some have sign contracts covering World Cup qualifying matches.

There are aspects of these contracts that we are not happy with and have advised members not to sign. But players have to decide for themselves who has their best interests at heart.

What have been the repercussions for the players who have refused to sign these contracts? Who has refused to sign?
Title: Re: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites again?
Post by: FLi ! on May 25, 2008, 10:52:27 AM
Unfortunately, until TTFF are prepared to sit down with FPATT at the negotiating table, players have to decide whether or not to sign the contracts offered to them. Some players have refused to sign them and some have sign contracts covering World Cup qualifying matches.

There are aspects of these contracts that we are not happy with and have advised members not to sign. But players have to decide for themselves who has their best interests at heart.

What have been the repercussions for the players who have refused to sign these contracts? Who has refused to sign?

it depends on what their refuse to sign. The code of conduct for individual matches and tournaments is normally a non-contentious issue, it is the contract related to image/commercial rights and match fees which is the contentious one.

Refusing to sign the code of conduct normally precludes the player from playing, cuz that deals with anti-doping issues, etc,  while refusal to sign the latter would generally have dictate the player doesn't get paid, as he hasn't agreed to the apportionment of revenue on the federation's terms. 

some players had refused to sign for the Guadeloupe game I believe and didn't get paid.
Title: Re: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites again?
Post by: takenoprisoners on May 25, 2008, 11:08:44 AM
Thanks for the clarification FPATT and Fli. :beermug: :beermug:  The players need to work as a unit on and off the field, they have tremendous leverage at present to bring about the recognition of  FPATT. ;)
This lack of unity is Jack's trump card. :banginghead:
Title: Re: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites again?
Post by: mwanasoka on May 25, 2008, 11:33:20 AM
Thanks for the clarification FPATT and Fli. :beermug: :beermug:  The players need to work as a unit on and off the field, they have tremendous leverage at present to bring about the recognition of  FPATT. ;)
This lack of unity is Jack's trump card. :banginghead:
Yeah yuh rite TNP,only one way tuh negate JW's trump card an daiz to re-trump him at de 11th hour.
Ah General Strike by all players on the island at de 11th hour. Not no wild-cat ting.Dis is leverage faddar.When he realize he go be in de red fuh millions,he go feel de pressah on he vampire testicles an advise de TTFF tuh sue fuh peace. :devil:
Title: Re: Will FPATT oversee players' contracts before Jackula bites again?
Post by: weary1969 on May 25, 2008, 03:59:04 PM
Hopefully now dat d locals see dat d devil could b beaten and let FPATT represent dem and stop gettin on like a pickney on d 1st day of school
Title: Questions for FPATT
Post by: Coop's on July 09, 2008, 11:26:47 AM
What's the situation with the arbitration?is it settled or it still going on?

I saw a post that read "Warriors get big Bucks" when did they get that money?

What sort of conditions the present set of players playing under?

Are they all receiving the same pay?or is it based on experience?or is it based on a foreign/local system?

Are players being contracted per game or for the period of the WC?

Are FPATT members being insured through FPATT or TTFF?

There might be more questions that people want to add to the list,since you all have taken the responsibility to see about the welfare of the players may be you can shed some light on if any changes are being made concerning the treatment of players in the country.

Although i've asked these questions of FPATT,if any one can shed some light on this please feel free to update us.
Title: Re: Questions for FPATT
Post by: FLi ! on July 09, 2008, 12:55:27 PM
What's the situation with the arbitration?is it settled or it still going on?

I saw a post that read "Warriors get big Bucks" when did they get that money?

What sort of conditions the present set of players playing under?

Are they all receiving the same pay?or is it based on experience?or is it based on a foreign/local system?

Are players being contracted per game or for the period of the WC?

Are FPATT members being insured through FPATT or TTFF?

There might be more questions that people want to add to the list,since you all have taken the responsibility to see about the welfare of the players may be you can shed some light on if any changes are being made concerning the treatment of players in the country.

Although i've asked these questions of FPATT,if any one can shed some light on this please feel free to update us.

I can shed light on the first two. Though liability has been confirmed by the consensual arbitration, the TTFF are just basically ignoring the result. The next step is for assessment of how much is owed to the players, which could perhaps involve some costly forensic accounting. But look forward to more litigation to get orders to see the accounts and orders to enforce the judgment.

The money the players had gotten was the charity witheld sum, which was supposed to be paid to a nominated charity a long time back, but was only paid before the final arbitration hearing.
Title: Re: Questions for FPATT
Post by: Bakes on July 09, 2008, 01:46:52 PM
What's the situation with the arbitration?is it settled or it still going on?

I saw a post that read "Warriors get big Bucks" when did they get that money?

What sort of conditions the present set of players playing under?

Are they all receiving the same pay?or is it based on experience?or is it based on a foreign/local system?

Are players being contracted per game or for the period of the WC?

Are FPATT members being insured through FPATT or TTFF?

There might be more questions that people want to add to the list,since you all have taken the responsibility to see about the welfare of the players may be you can shed some light on if any changes are being made concerning the treatment of players in the country.

Although i've asked these questions of FPATT,if any one can shed some light on this please feel free to update us.

I can shed light on the first two. Though liability has been confirmed by the consensual arbitration, the TTFF are just basically ignoring the result. The next step is for assessment of how much is owed to the players, which could perhaps involve some costly forensic accounting. But look forward to more litigation to get orders to see the accounts and orders to enforce the judgment.

The money the players had gotten was the charity witheld sum, which was supposed to be paid to a nominated charity a long time back, but was only paid before the final arbitration hearing.

...and that 'charity' sum was a share of the FIFA bonus paid to each participating team from the World Cup.

The "FIFA" bonus is separate from the World Cup bonus promised by Jack.

FIFA money= Participation bonus.

Jack money= Performance bonus


...two different things Coop's
Title: FPATT want to help World Cup campaign.
Post by: Flex on September 20, 2008, 04:49:27 AM
FPATT want to help World Cup campaign.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).


Shaka offers to soothe Sunderland.

Shaka Hislop's oratory and charisma are now standard fare in his profession as an ESPN commentator and UK Guardian columnist. And the former Trinidad and Tobago 2006 World Cup standout is ready to use his experience and credibility, on and off the field, to help the "Soca Warriors" in their South Africa 2010 campaign.

Hislop, the first president of the Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT), offered to help the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) improve relations with the foreign employers of their top players in the wake of a public spat between FIFA vice-president and T&TFF special adviser Jack Warner and Sunderland manager Roy Keane.

Keane and Warner traded insults after the England Premier League manager ordered national icon and Sunderland midfielder, Dwight Yorke, to miss a World Cup qualifier away to the United States on September 10.

Hislop, who was once the England Premiership's most expensive goalkeeper and is the only foreigner after Brazilian legend Pele to receive an England PFA Special Merit award, is convinced that FPATT can play a crucial role in the negotiations between club and country, which can be vital to the Warriors' qualification chances.

"From my experience, the TTFF has never negotiated directly with any club I played for," said the former Newcastle, Portsmouth and West Ham custodian. "We have offered to be the go-between but they never accepted. I still think that, with FPATT's help, there would have never been that ridiculous exchange between Warner and Keane that was damaging to football and, in particular, Trinidad and Tobago football."

Hislop insisted that most international players-not just from Trinidad and Tobago-feel pressured by their clubs from time to time. He pointed to Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard's recent minor surgery, ordered by his club, which ruled him out of a crucial World Cup qualifier for England but ensured he was ready for Liverpool's next Premiership fixture.

Like Gerrard and Trinidad and Tobago captain Dwight Yorke, Hislop believes the players are usually the ones to suffer and suggested that more should be done to improve relations rather than merely invoking FIFA's bylaws.

Hislop, a recent inductee in the local sport Hall of Fame, insisted that Yorke was a victim of a lack of dialogue between the two parties.

"I think Dwight has been dragged into this through no fault of his own," said Hislop. "Contrary to what some people have said, (his international future) wasn't a topic of conversation before he signed his new contract at Sunderland. It only came up when he decided to return (to the national side).

"All international players are aware of this pressure although it is usually handled quietly behind closed doors it is not just small countries. A lot of big countries sit with club owners and managers and discuss their concerns so they don't have these types of disputes that drag football down and have hurt Sunderland and Trinidad and Tobago."

He suggested that the T&TFF was often disinterested in building bridges and preferred to use FIFA's influence to strong arm clubs. FPATT prefers an approach that is as respectful to the players' careers as it is to the needs of the national side.

"I think some diplomacy and courtesy will go a long way towards minimizing these problems," said Hislop. "Instead, we have been neglecting that and it just blew up in our face in the international media last week."

The FPATT boss was not surprised by Keane's assertion that Sunderland were stuck with a massive medical bill after forward Kenwyne Jones was injured during Trinidad and Tobago's Centennial match against England in June. Jones has not played since, although he recently returned to the training ground.

When FPATT attempted to open dialogue with the T&TFF in February, Warner suggested that the T&TFF follow the European model where nations were negotiating directly with the "G14" clubs-a consortium of Europe's most influential teams-on the use of their players.

But Hislop insisted that the T&TFF had not followed the G14 pact either as evidenced by Jones' medical situation. Trinidad and Tobago's international players, according to Hislop, are insured for between $500,000 and $2 million (TT), which is not nearly enough to cover rehabilitation for a serious injury in Britain.

"Mr Warner went on a tantrum and used Europe and the G14 as the reason that the T&TFF shouldn't negotiate with FPATT," said Hislop. "But it is part of their agreement that countries should not only fully insure national players but also reimburse clubs their wages while on international duty.

"So you have Mr Warner referencing this agreement to the T&TFF but still not employing the bare basics of what the agreement was about Clearly the TTFF have not negotiated with Sunderland either."

FPATT officially launched in 2007 and were promised funding by Sport Minister Gary Hunt, earlier this year, although Hislop explained that the association remains starved of cash.

"We continue to await funding," said Hislop, "which we need to press ahead with some of the projects we have on the drawing board.

"It has been a quiet period for us but we are still working behind the scene and just waiting for a few T's to be crossed and I's to be dotted."
Title: Re: FPATT want to help World Cup campaign.
Post by: Bakes on September 20, 2008, 12:43:57 PM
Quote
"Contrary to what some people have said, (his international future) wasn't a topic of conversation before he signed his new contract at Sunderland."

Lol, interesting... but I'm not surprised.
Title: Re: FPATT want to help World Cup campaign.
Post by: weary1969 on September 20, 2008, 02:02:21 PM
It was not an issue because he retired so in fact he had no international future
Title: Warner: FPATT an organisation the TTFF does not recognise.
Post by: Flex on December 14, 2008, 06:33:10 AM
Warner: Millions missing from Sportt.
By: Ian Prescott (Express).


Jack Warner is alleging that million-dollar corruption is taking place within the Sport Company of Trinidad and Tobago (Sportt) and since this is taking place under his watch, Sport Minister Gary Hunt is accountable.

"Let the Minister of Sport give an account of his stewardship," Warner declared yesterday at a media conference held at CONCACAF's Edwards Street office in Port of Spain.

There, Warner displayed documents revealing big salaries, large increases and huge perks for Sportt personnel. He also alleged that in addition to an already sizeable compensation package, acting chief executive officer Anna Thompson had her salary raised by $9,000 per month.

Warner, the FIFA vice-president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation special adviser, claimed that no interviews were held for Thompsons' post, although she was the most junior of three deputy CEOs at the Sport Company.

Further, Warner charged that state funds in the sum of $125,472 have been expended to provide private security for Thompson and her family because of threats. He questioned whether Government provides such security for everyone who is subject to threats.

Warner also queried why Sportt wanted to move their offices at the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva, which are free of charge, to a newly-renovated site on Henry Street, Port of Spain, where they have to pay a massive monthly rental.

He said for the past few months he had been seeking unsuccessfully to raise such questions in Parliament.

"I call on the Minister of Sport and Youth Affairs to explain the expenditure of $2,747,433.60 on rentals by Sportt, with a monthly sum of $248,768.40 being paid faithfully every month for the rental (of the building on Henry Street) for the past seven months and without as much as a chair in the building," Warner declared.

"Tell the public if this is true. I await his answers."

Warner, the self-described "Shadow Minister of Sport" and Opposition Member of Parliament for Chaguanas West, had planned to confront Hunt with his evidence on Friday, Parliament's final sitting for the year, but Hunt was not present.

"It is bad enough that money in this country is badly spent," Warner said. "But it is worst when the money is spent and not accounted for.

"The Sport Company was not formed to give ham and jam to some officials, it was formed to help sportsmen."

Warner charged the Government, and Hunt in particular, of treating the country with contempt by not answering pertinent questions concerning the issue.

He even accused Sportt of helping the Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) to fight its legal battle with the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF). He further described FPATT as an organisation which the TTFF does not recognise.

"FPATT was paid $99,990 in September this year. Is the Government now providing funds for unions? If this is the case, will Government also provide funds for OWTU, NUGFW, BGWU, PSA and all the others or do they have to go through the Equal Opportunities Act to secure funding. What is the purpose of the payment."
Title: Re: Warner: FPATT an organisation the TTFF does not recognise.
Post by: sjahrain on December 14, 2008, 08:25:30 AM
Come on Jack ,you cannot expect me to take you seriously

When last did you look into the mirror,do that and come again,then maybe we would solve your shit...uation

Jack you have to look at things with both eyes....Open..... :rotfl:
Title: Re: Warner: FPATT an organisation the TTFF does not recognise.
Post by: Mose on December 14, 2008, 08:37:34 AM
Come on Jack ,you cannot expect me to take you seriously

When last did you look into the mirror,do that and come again,then maybe we would solve your shit...uation

Jack you have to look at things with both eyes....Open..... :rotfl:
Doh get tie up!! Jack's eyes are wide open!! The question is whether or not the people who hear what Jack say have their eyes open.
Title: Re: Warner: FPATT an organisation the TTFF does not recognise.
Post by: Peong on December 14, 2008, 09:05:34 AM
Come on Jack ,you cannot expect me to take you seriously

When last did you look into the mirror,do that and come again,then maybe we would solve your shit...uation

Jack you have to look at things with both eyes....Open..... :rotfl:


Vampires doh have reflections :)
Title: Re: Warner: FPATT an organisation the TTFF does not recognise.
Post by: Midknight on December 14, 2008, 11:07:25 AM
Come on Jack ,you cannot expect me to take you seriously

When last did you look into the mirror,do that and come again,then maybe we would solve your shit...uation

Jack you have to look at things with both eyes....Open..... :rotfl:


Vampires doh have reflections :)

And nary a truer word was spoken
Title: Re: Warner: FPATT an organisation the TTFF does not recognise.
Post by: WestCoast on December 14, 2008, 11:25:38 AM
I goin an sing my normal tune here

Jackass take in $173 MILLION TTD and he doh want to pay the players who took the TTFF to its first ever WC appearence and HE talkin bout other people corrupt
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Jackass......you are a winner
boi....gorn nuh gorn
I cyar wait for his legacy to pass and leave the TTFF in good hands...if THAT is ever possible
Title: Re: Warner: FPATT an organisation the TTFF does not recognise.
Post by: Brownsugar on December 14, 2008, 11:49:07 AM
Come on Jack ,you cannot expect me to take you seriously

When last did you look into the mirror,do that and come again,then maybe we would solve your shit...uation

Jack you have to look at things with both eyes....Open..... :rotfl:
Doh get tie up!! Jack's eyes are wide open!! The question is whether or not the people who hear what Jack say have their eyes open.

Boy.....for real eh....booing Hunt every time he name call on de PA system in de Stadium is proof enough dat he have people in dis country real tie up....

But in all seriousness, wha going on wid FPATT??
Title: Re: Warner: FPATT an organisation the TTFF does not recognise.
Post by: Lower St. John on December 14, 2008, 11:54:02 AM
Ah go be de first to say that there is a lot of information and unanswered questions on Jack's dealing showing him to be a BIG crook.  But if at the same time de big thief dat he is uncover corruption in another area why should we immediately dismiss it?  Some of what Jack is pruporting to be taking place within the Ministry of Sports and SPORTT is troubling to me.  If we are more concerned with the messenger and miss de message or worse yet do not want to lend any credibility to the message because of the messenger well we in a worse way.

Corruption in T&T should be exposed, regardless of who brings it to light.

Blessing
Title: Re: Warner: FPATT an organisation the TTFF does not recognise.
Post by: trini_stallion on December 14, 2008, 11:58:24 AM
Shadow Sports Minister.....ent it hv ah saying dat does goes like :

"Real recognize real," well in this case is :

"bandit recognize bandit" and  "schemer recognize schemer"

Cmon Jack, you the man to find and reveal corrruption!!!! :beermug: ;D
Title: Re: Warner: FPATT an organisation the TTFF does not recognise.
Post by: Bakes on December 14, 2008, 02:09:56 PM
Ah go be de first to say that there is a lot of information and unanswered questions on Jack's dealing showing him to be a BIG crook.  But if at the same time de big thief dat he is uncover corruption in another area why should we immediately dismiss it?  Some of what Jack is pruporting to be taking place within the Ministry of Sports and SPORTT is troubling to me.  If we are more concerned with the messenger and miss de message or worse yet do not want to lend any credibility to the message because of the messenger well we in a worse way.

Corruption in T&T should be exposed, regardless of who brings it to light.

Blessing

Steups... did he 'uncover' corruption, or did he 'allege' corruption?  Make some kinda blasted sense nah man... is JACK we talking about here enuh.



At least de bastard finally admit that FPATT is ah union... so why then does he not recognize them?
Title: Re: Warner: FPATT an organisation the TTFF does not recognise.
Post by: jai john on December 14, 2008, 03:43:53 PM
right now jack eh recognising nobody ..not Hunt, not Panday, not FPATT, not de Soca Warriors....nobody ! de only ting jack does recognise is $$$, dais why every organisation he was ever involved in he does find himself in de financial section. Since Hunt eh giving him $ without accountability and Panday eh giving him UNC A so he could at least try to get a shot at de minister of finance (keeper of the keys of de  treasury ) wuk and FPATT expose how low he is and trying to take way some of " he " $ , aint no way jack go ever recognise dem.
...But who cares what jack thinks ..only dem jokey reporters dat does go to ah press conference to hear dat jack go tell them what they  want to know when he come back from Japan !
Title: Re: Warner: FPATT an organisation the TTFF does not recognise.
Post by: weary1969 on December 14, 2008, 04:35:29 PM
If we could only get he 2 recognie dat Mats is a hound we go b in buziness.
Title: Govt pumps in $3.25m into FPATT.
Post by: Flex on January 07, 2009, 06:28:49 AM
Govt pumps in $3.25m.
Football Players Association.
By: Kern De Freitas (Express).


Having fumbled for a way through after humble beginnings, the Football Players Association of Trinidad and Tobago (FPATT) can finally afford to stand on their feet.

FPATT will benefit from a $3.25 million infusion from the Sport and Youth Affairs Ministry to get operations up and running, FPATT president Shaka Hislop revealed yesterday during a press conference at the Nealco Training Centre on Edward Street, Port of Spain.

The financial boost will pump some life back into the Players Association, which has been dormant due to a lack of funds. It involves annual contributions over the next three year periods, after which Sport Minister Gary Hunt said FPATT must become "self-sufficient and self-reliant".

Hislop, the ex-national goal-keeper, who left the country yesterday after flying in the day before for the press conference, thanked Hunt for, "his support, his vision" and the "financial input from his Ministry".

"Every penny will go back into the game," was Hislop's assurance.

The monies promised for the final two years will be granted to FPATT, "predicated upon the receipt of audited statements", a major criterion Hunt has repeatedly demanded from sport organisations benefitting from the Ministry's generosity.

Yesterday, Hunt paid out the first installment, the sum of $1,500,000 to the players association. For the second year they will receive $1 million, and the final payout will be $750,000.

Among FPATT's immediate agenda will be player mobilisation, "to get the Players Association off the ground" according to Hislop.

"We will be focussing on starting a membership drive and establishing a voice for the players," he said, adding that, "...the only tangible assets in football are the players, so the players must have a voice".

FPATT was formed in 2003, and have been at odds with the T&T Football Federation (T&TFF) over players issues for some time. Still, Hislop said FPATT are not "against" the T&TFF, despite "broad and slanderous statements" being made against the Association:

"FPATT is not against the TTFF. We are just here to give the players a voice in the game. I don't know how that translates to being against the T&TFF. I didn't get that translation."

Asked about the money they received from the Ministry last year, Hislop reported that the sum of $99,000 they got was only a loan, and will be repaid from the funds they received yesterday "with some accrued interest, of course".

He also described as "absolute fallacy" claims that the ongoing arbitration involving members of the 2006 World Cup squad and the T&TFF over World Cup bonuses was being paid for by funds provided by the Government.

Hislop said that FPATT will continue to look after players' interests, and referred to insurance for national players at all levels as an important issue. He pointed to an incident where he claimed the T&TFF had given verbal assurance that there would be insurance for senior national players in February last year.

"Lo and behold, when Kenwyne Jones got injured (in June last year versus England), there was a rather embarrassing exchange of words between Roy Keane and Jack Warner over the lack of insurance for Kenwyne Jones."

FPATT are also planning their AGM, which Hislop said is high on their agenda.
Title: Re: Govt pumps in $3.25m into FPATT.
Post by: Trin on January 07, 2009, 07:00:55 AM

The financial boost will pump some life back into the Players Association, which has been dormant due to a lack of funds. It involves annual contributions over the next three year periods, after which Sport Minister Gary Hunt said FPATT must become "self-sufficient and self-reliant".


why de TTFF doh hada be "self-sufficient and self-reliant"


...... seta blasted vampires who feel dey entitled to handouts............
Title: Re: Govt pumps in $3.25m into FPATT.
Post by: weary1969 on January 07, 2009, 08:11:40 AM

The financial boost will pump some life back into the Players Association, which has been dormant due to a lack of funds. It involves annual contributions over the next three year periods, after which Sport Minister Gary Hunt said FPATT must become "self-sufficient and self-reliant".


why de TTFF doh hada be "self-sufficient and self-reliant"

...... seta blasted vampires who feel dey entitled to handouts............

Everybody but dem d Pro League as well does get less money every yr but d TTFF more or d Min go b a boo boo.


Title: Re: Govt pumps in $3.25m into FPATT.
Post by: Bakes on January 07, 2009, 08:18:12 AM
"Hunt is ah c*nt!"


Ent?
Title: Question- FPATT
Post by: Jay10 on March 24, 2009, 09:03:54 PM
Are all the clubs in the TnT PRO League required to have their members join this association? FPATT

Title: Re: Question- FPATT
Post by: E-man on March 24, 2009, 09:26:24 PM
Are all the clubs in the TnT PRO League required to have their members join this association? FPATT


the quick answer is no, membership is voluntary.

Title: Re: Question- FPATT
Post by: weary1969 on March 24, 2009, 09:57:25 PM
Are all the clubs in the TnT PRO League required to have their members join this association? FPATT


the quick answer is no, membership is voluntary.



U beat me 2 it.
Title: Re: Question- FPATT
Post by: Jay10 on March 24, 2009, 10:07:22 PM
Thanks, I was just wondering.

because I would think for them (FPATT) to work well, they need the TTPL to ensure that all their players are registered, so if they get a national call up, they would have representation when/if problems come up.

Guess the challenge lies with the TTPL though, as I think FPATT is a very important part of the game in TnT.

Hope something is done about it soon
Title: Re: Question- FPATT
Post by: weary1969 on March 24, 2009, 10:28:55 PM
Thanks, I was just wondering.

because I would think for them (FPATT) to work well, they need the TTPL to ensure that all their players are registered, so if they get a national call up, they would have representation when/if problems come up.

Guess the challenge lies with the TTPL though, as I think FPATT is a very important part of the game in TnT.

Hope something is done about it soon

Could not say it betta.
Title: Re: Fundraising for FPATT
Post by: Flex on March 26, 2014, 02:00:34 AM
Footballers want players association
T&T Express Reports.


The need for a football Player Association was one of the main conclusions coming out of the Pro League’s Player Development Seminar held at Digicel IMAX in Woodbrook last week.

In its continued effort to enhance footballers professionally, on and off the field, the Pro League held the first in a series of planned seminars. Other seminars will include ‘Managing Your Finance’ and ‘Professional Development.’

Entitled “Knowing Your Contract”, last week’s seminar sought to educate players about the intricacies of contracts they sign.

The seminar saw contributions from attorney-at-law, Dave Williams and Pro League CEO Dexter Skeene about the importance of understanding contract arrangements. Williams touched on various aspects of a contract, such as the negotiation of contracts, contractual obligations and termination of contracts, after which players raised their concerns.

Players from W Connection, Central FC, North East Stars, Police FC, San Juan Jabloteh and St. Ann’s Rangers raised questions of salaries, fines, health benefits and player insurance, and freedom of transfers at the end of their contracts.

“I’ve learnt a lot from the exercise,” said veteran W Connection midfielder Silvio Spann. “Although a lot of it was a reminder of what I’ve heard before, being the professional that I’ve been for a length of time, locally and abroad.”

Spann, who has played professionally in Italy, Japan and the United Kingdom, credited W Connection for professionalism and honesty when it came to contractual agreements, but believes there is an urgent need for a players’ association.

“One of the most important things I’ve learned from this seminar is that players need a players’ association,” added Spann.

“It’s vital, and I think the information gathered today in terms of the questions asked by players, calls for a Players’ Association. Players are really hurting deep inside and some of the questions need to be addressed,” Spann said. “The knowledge we have gained here today would have switched that light on, in terms of taking their questions and concerns through the proper structure.”

Main speaker Williams told players to make sure they understand it fully before signing any contract document because they have to live by the terms of what they sign.

“Read the terms of your contract,” said Tobago-born attorney Williams . “If it doesn’t have a good explanation or you don’t understand your contract, just don’t sign it. Seek independent advice. It can be from anyone; a legal person, a family member, an agent, or whoever.”

Williams further reminded players of the existence of a Player Status Committee, an independent body, which has dealt with concerns in an expeditious manner, and will continue to do so, once issues are brought to the attention of the League formally.

Meanwhile, Pro League CEO Dexter Skeene also felt a well-informed player would help produce a better product on the field.

“You cannot consider yourself a serious professional footballer if you fail to, or, refuse to take your contract seriously,” Skeene said. “You cannot be serious about your career if your attitude is, I have an agent, manager or coach to deal with that. Professional football is serious business.”

Title: Re: FPATT Thread
Post by: dreamer on March 26, 2014, 10:41:25 AM
Very encouraging discussion and developments. Wonder how many players were there.
Players could finally be waking up if they take this seriously.

Next to be tackled is player marketing and image management especially for international trials.
How to avoid the outcomes like what happened to Joevin Jones.
Gotta look hungry and look serious and look immune to the cut-throat competition and mind games of marginalization when venturing abroad especially as a newbee.
Title: Re: FPATT Thread
Post by: maxg on March 26, 2014, 11:09:53 AM
"Players from W Connection, Central FC, North East Stars, Police FC, San Juan Jabloteh and St. Ann’s Rangers raised questions of salaries, fines, health benefits and player insurance, and freedom of transfers at the end of their contracts."

How does the Governmnt service teams operate in the scheme of things. Are they in or Not in the service ?
Title: Re: FPATT Thread
Post by: Deeks on March 26, 2014, 02:10:42 PM
Surprise the Police players are there. They are covered by the government. But in the overall scheme of things, they are players who playing in the pro-league. So I think it is indeed benefitial that they are there. But there must be some clarification as to where the government teams stand.
Title: Re: FPATT Thread
Post by: Flex on December 19, 2015, 05:27:15 AM
Eve calls on FPATT to help Soca Warriors.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).


Former national midfielder now turned coach Angus Eve is calling on the Football Players Association of T&T (FPATT) to come to the assistance of the Soca Warriors now.

The footballers are locked in talks with the T&T Football Association (TTFA) over match fees for the Concacaf Gold Cup, the International Friendly match with Nicaragua, the World Cup Qualifier against Guatemala on November 13 and the game against the United States here at the Hasely Crawford Stadium on November 17.

On Wednesday, the board of directors of the TTFA formed a three-member committee to address the issue of payments to the players and they are to meet with the players’ representative Jan Michael Williams or Kenwyne Jones this week.   

The FPATT was formed in 2007 out of a similar battle for monies owed to the players from the TTFA and then special adviser Jack Warner regarding the 2006 World Cup campaign.

Among the items the organisation had promised to negotiate with the authorities on behalf of the players were: match fees  insurance for the players; to provide a vehicle to facilitate collective bargaining on behalf of the membership including pre-set international appearance fees; a maximum standard contract of employment for professional footballers and youth players; security for clubs and players; a system that would offer access free legal advice and the implemention of a professional footballers group pension scheme, among many others.

Contacted yesterday, Eve called on the FPATT to assist the players, saying both Michael Williams and Jones should not have to be representing the players now. According to the St Ann’s Rangers coach a number of players were at the forefront when the organisation was formed, such as Central FC managing director Brent Sancho, former national goalkeeper Shaka Hislop and another goalkeeper Kelvin Jack.

Eve said: “As soon as those players were paid by TTFA and the government their World Cup monies, it seem as though FPATT became non-functional. I have not heard from FPATT after monies were paid to those players and the sad thing is that we have a situation similar to what happened back in 2006 here.”

According to Eve, the coach of Naparima College, the reigning InterCol and premiership champion school team: “Players are not supposed to be fighting battles to be paid. What that does is take away from their focus on the game. This is why players have managers and agents and its what FPTT should be doing.”

He told the T&T Guardian he felt disappointed by the latest episode of players having to fight for money that belonged to them.

“When a player enters a national team, a number of things must be listed out to him, such as how much he will earn in match fees among many other things. It cannot be like now where players have to lobby for match fees months after the game because when players leave their professional clubs to represent their country, they are putting themselves at risk of getting injured,” Eve said.

He added: “I have seen a situation where a TT player left his club to represent his country and he was injured in a match and eventually lost his contract. Now if players are not properly compensated for their service while on national duty, what will happen to them?” Eve asked. Attempts to reach Sancho, Jack or Hislop proved futile.

Some of the  FPATT objectives​

1. To provide an elected representative body that can address the concerns of professional footballers in T&T.

2. To achieve 100 per cent membership of professional footballers in T&T.

3. To provide professional footballers with the ability through a representative body to help govern and shape the future of profesional football in T&T.

4. To provide a vehicle to facilitate collective bargaining on behalf of the membership including pre-set international appearance fees.

5. To provide a maximum standard contract of employement for professional footballers and youth players to provide security for clubs and players alike and to give players access to free legal advice.

6. To arrange sponsorship and funding to put into place insurance for players in case of career ending injuries.

7. To work alongside TTFF to help encourage football in the community projects to help to increase the attraction of the professional game in T&T with both supporters and prospective players.

8. To arrange an affordable professional footballers group pension scheme with the long term aim of clubs contributing on behalf of players.

9. To provide education and advice to assist players leaving the game to obtain new careers outside football.

10. To liaise with FIFPRO and the other CONCACAF players associations to develop similar working practices across the region, improving the attraction of football as a profession and increasing the standards of professional football in the Caribbean.

11. To lobby for changes in the governing of the game at all levels to provide financial transparency.

12. To provide player representation for the benefit of players and clubs alike, to reduce much needed finances going to outside parties, and to arrange in association with the TTFF more stringent agent licensing.​

Title: Re: FPATT Thread
Post by: dreamer on December 22, 2015, 12:59:21 PM
Does FPATT still exist?
If it does, who's at the helm?
If not, is it being reborn to function again?
That's one vote that needs to be counted along with the coaches association vote during TTFA elections.
Represent people. Daiz 2 votes that could protect the country's football future in the next rongs and also now.
Title: Re: FPATT Thread
Post by: Bakes on December 22, 2015, 02:32:53 PM
Does FPATT still exist?
If it does, who's at the helm?
If not, is it being reborn to function again?
That's one vote that needs to be counted along with the coaches association vote during TTFA elections.
Represent people. Daiz 2 votes that could protect the country's football future in the next rongs and also now.

There is a vote reserved for the Players Association (but not coaches) once they become functional... but FPATT in trouble.  Harrison find a new horse to ride and so he's gone from advocating on behalf of players, to being part of management now.  Not only that, but Shaka, who was the un/official President of FPATT, allegedly offered his services to Kenwyne and the current players and they tell him "thanks eh, but no thanks."
Title: Re: FPATT Thread
Post by: pull stones on December 22, 2015, 06:10:29 PM
Does FPATT still exist?
If it does, who's at the helm?
If not, is it being reborn to function again?
That's one vote that needs to be counted along with the coaches association vote during TTFA elections.
Represent people. Daiz 2 votes that could protect the country's football future in the next rongs and also now.

There is a vote reserved for the Players Association (but not coaches) once they become functional... but FPATT in trouble.  Harrison find a new horse to ride and so he's gone from advocating on behalf of players, to being part of management now.  Not only that, but Shaka, who was the un/official President of FPATT, allegedly offered his services to Kenwyne and the current players and they tell him "thanks eh, but no thanks."
harrison found a new horse to ride. that was cute.  :laugh:
Title: Re: FPATT Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on January 26, 2016, 11:43:11 AM
Just received some photos of the Fifpro Americas tournament in progress in Costa Rica. Makes me smh. No seat at the table. Lost opportunities.

There was a recent initiative in Panama by the players' union. Will update with details shortly.
Title: Re: FPATT Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on February 27, 2016, 03:05:59 AM
Just received some photos of the Fifpro Americas tournament in progress in Costa Rica. Makes me smh. No seat at the table. Lost opportunities.

There was a recent initiative in Panama by the players' union. Will update with details shortly.

A player who was involved in this tourney shed more light ... Several of the participants were unemployed players seeking new clubs. The tournament provided them a platform to be seen and to find a new employer. It can't be emphasised enough how much participating in an event such as this could be of benefit to T&T players in transition.

Players have to pull together to see this ...

Anyhow, I asked (a FIFPRO Americas member country admin person) for a figure regarding the success rate in finding a club via this means ... It did not exceed 40% ... which means many players face unplanned periods of inactivity.

Examining the domestic transfer market within the Pro League and Super League, one sees some movement that merits asking other questions.
Title: Re: FPATT Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on March 29, 2016, 08:51:12 PM
A Challenge to Soccer’s Version of Solitary Confinement
By Sam Borden, The New York Times


TIRANA, Albania — Sebino Plaku, a player for the Polish professional soccer team Slask Wroclaw, sat across a small desk from the club’s president and vice president.

It was Aug. 28, 2014. The two club officials, Mr. Plaku said, presented him with a document that was an “annex” to his contract with the team. The team, the executives told Mr. Plaku, wanted to immediately reduce his monthly salary by more than 50 percent. They told Mr. Plaku, an Albanian, that he had 20 minutes to decide whether to accept.

Then, Mr. Plaku said, the president — speaking Polish and using the vice president as his English interpreter — delivered a message: “If you don’t sign this,” he said, according to Mr. Plaku, “we will destroy your career.”

Mr. Plaku refused. What followed, he has claimed in an arbitration case against the club, was roughly five months of isolation, humiliation, psychological abuse and intimidation, all of which combined to derail his professional career.

According to player advocacy groups, Mr. Plaku’s case is emblematic of a widespread labor issue in Europe in which players are given the choice between bending to their employers’ demands or enduring harsh, punitive training regimens. The practice is known by the catchall term training alone, and it is regarded as soccer’s version of solitary confinement.

“It is physical torture and it is psychological torture,” said Dejan Stefanovic, a former player who now leads Slovenia’s players’ union. “And it happens everywhere.”

Accusations of players being forced to train alone have been reported in virtually every country in Europe — from marquee teams like Chelsea and Manchester United to minor ones like Slask Wroclaw — and player advocates say the cases that go unreported are most likely innumerable given that many players stay quiet for fear of losing their positions altogether. Typically, clubs that separate players from their teammates do so over money — because the player will not sign a contract extension, or he refuses to allow the club to terminate a contract early or modify its terms.

In Poland, training alone is so common it even has a nickname: the Coconut Club, named after Daniel Kokosinski, a player who endured the treatment in 2009. (“Kokos” means “coconut” in Polish.)

Mr. Plaku said he had been forced to train three times a day (alone, and often without time to eat between sessions); required to do excessive running; fined thousands of euros if he was even 30 seconds late for a training session; and made to take part in demeaning activities like changing in the boys’ teams’ locker room or standing in the city center for hours to hand out newspapers.

Slask Wroclaw, which is based in southwest Poland, has defended its actions by saying that Mr. Plaku’s fitness was not sufficient for him to be a part of its top team any longer. (Mr. Plaku, 30, who is currently playing for a first-division club in Albania, dismissed that claim as “ridiculous.”)

Slask Wroclaw’s president, Pawel Zelem, did not respond to questions about his involvement in the case. Krzysztof Swiercz, a spokesman for Slask Wroclaw, agreed to a brief telephone interview in which he said that the club had “nothing to blame ourselves for.”

“There are many professional players who train twice or thrice a day and never complain; they are professionals in every way,” Mr. Swiercz continued. “There are people who work in factories for 13 hours a day and get paid 1,000 zlotys per month, and they don’t complain. So do you really think Plaku has anything to complain about?” The amount of Polish zlotys he referred to is equivalent to about $263.

Mr. Swiercz added that on Sundays — “as the law states” — Mr. Plaku had the day off.

A tribunal for Poland’s soccer federation ultimately dissolved Mr. Plaku’s contract with Slask Wroclaw but did not assign blame, which allowed the club to avoid paying Mr. Plaku the balance of his salary (about $222,000 in lost wages). Mr. Plaku has appealed, taking the matter to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, an international organization that adjudicates cases related to athletics. A decision is expected as soon as this week.

In Western Europe, accusations that clubs have treated players in a similar manner are common. Nicolai Boilesen, who was the captain of the Dutch club Ajax last season, was separated from the first team this year after refusing to sign a contract extension. Ajax’s coach, Frank de Boer, has been quoted as saying: “Nicolai made his choice. If you do not accept the offer that we make, then you have to suffer the consequences.”

In Eastern Europe, the problem is more pervasive. Results of a 2012 player survey conducted by FIFPro, the international players’ union, found that in 12 Eastern European countries, roughly one in six players reported having been forced to train alone, while about 40 percent of players in Poland specifically said they knew of at least one such incident.

Mr. Stefanovic, the Slovene player representative, said the survey offered only “a hint” of how common such intimidation tactics were. He cited the case of the Serbian midfielder Andrija Zivkovic, one of the continent’s most promising young players, who starred at the FIFA U nder-20 World Cup last year and was a centerpiece of the decorated team Partizan Belgrade.

Earlier this year, Mr. Zivkovic, 19, refused to sign a contract extension with Partizan after drawing interest from richer clubs abroad, Mr. Stefanovic said. He was summarily sent home from the club’s training camp and has since been barred  from practicing with the first team.

“He’s literally running circles by himself,” Mr. Stefanovic said. “If this happens to one of the best players, imagine what is happening to the other poor guys.”

Much of the problem, Mr. Stefanovic said, is a lack of standard professional contracts for players. Mr. Stefanovic said that in Romania, for example, players are typically assets of the club, which means that even if a club goes bankrupt, players are not allowed to find new clubs because all assets are frozen.

Mr. Stefanovic added that as far back as 2011, FIFPro, which represents players’ interests but lacks collective bargaining power or leverage with individual leagues, had asked European soccer’s governing body, UEFA, to consider making standard contracts a requirement. The union has seen no progress, he said, adding, “The problem is getting worse, not better.”

According to Maciej Krzeminski, a lawyer for the Polish players’ union, Mr. Plaku’s case is typical. Mr. Plaku was a star growing up here and played for Albania’s national youth teams.

Early in the 2014-15 season, after Mr. Plaku sustained a minor injury while playing for Slask Wroclaw, he said he was called into Mr. Zelem’s office for the meeting in which he was told to sign the reduced-value contract. After he declined, he said, the intimidation from the club began.

Running and physical exertion were constant, he said, but psychological punishment was significant as well.

Most days he was at the club 12 or 13 hours, stopping only for short breaks between sessions. He was not allowed to eat with the first team. Some days he was allowed to play with the reserves, but when he scored two goals in one match, he said, he was pulled from the game and the coach told him, “Sebi, if you score too many goals, it’s not good for me.”

Mr. Plaku was separated from his team for about five months, he said, before his contract was terminated by the Polish federation in February 2015. At that point, he was free to sign with another team, but the transfer window in Europe was closed until the summer. The damage to his career had been done, he said.

“Now I am close to 31 — it will be difficult to make a step forward,” he said.

He shrugged. “I thought it was going to be the best part of my career,” he said. “It turned out to be the worst.”
Title: Re: FPATT Thread
Post by: Sando on February 17, 2020, 05:34:08 PM
Is FPATT coming back as Kelvin Jack is now part of the TTFA?

https://socawarriors.net/archive/FPATT.htm

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Title: Re: FPATT Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on February 17, 2020, 08:14:49 PM
As yuh mention Kelvin Jack ... Iker Casillas just lick a shot that will probably recast how things are set in the RFEF.  He's going to stand in opposition to the incumbent, Rubiales  ... and leh me tell yuh, Iker is making Buttigieg's sidelining of Biden look like child's play. The news is not even a full day old and he's already the overwhelming leader in informal polling.  Overwhelming=Rubiales is polling under 10% and Iker is hovering around 90%. And dahis with a good 40,000 having expressed their opinion.

In terms of the internal stakeholders he is well-placed to make this happen.

As far as FPATT and Kelvin ... Kelvin focus on your GK department. The players association leadership has to be fomented elsewhere ...  once fomented, yuh can bring guidance, if needed. 

Other improvements in the overall architecture of football outside of the federation are necessary before FPATT can really bubble de way de pot is supposed to bubble.

Ah know yuh can multitask but please multitask with the GKs. Soon enough the current players will bounce their collective heads. By then ah hoping you would have harnessed the GKs we deserve.   
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