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Sports => Football => Topic started by: mukumsplau on May 27, 2007, 11:27:51 AM
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Sunderland offer John in bid for Preston's Nugent
tribalfooball.com - May 25, 2007
Sunderland are ready to make a cash-plus-player offer for Preston North End striker David Nugent.
The Times says the Black Cats are ready to offer £5m and Stern John in an effort to sign Nugent ahead of a host of Premiership rivals.
http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=41011
that wud be rel rel disappointin for stern iif it materializes...ah mean d man all excited at ah chance back in d premiership an dey want to throw him bac in d championship....like he on ah sunderland blacklist or somtin...
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LMAO Tribal Football
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Nice rumour. Ah bet allyuh dah is jess a piece ah nastiness against de boy. Da website is real fringe ting dread. Ah go do meh research on the more established sites. I eh taking dat jess so. Keano eh movin' so at all. Yuh tink Keano is Scally from Gillingham orwah?
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That may be justa rumor but it would not be a big surprise at all. We Trinis don't want to accept the fact that Stern is past his prime and has not done much for Sunderland during the lattter part of the season. Now that they are in the big times, Keane want players that can make an impact and Stern has not been that kind of player recently. It is my opinion that he sshould not be included in the build up to 2010. Kenwyne Jones, Scotland, Roberts, Glen, and Sealy should be the younger players invested in for the future, just my opinion!!!
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Fair point Storeboy. Doh frighten. Sternturninho's days (especially international) will come to an end buh a tink is a bit too premature to say his league days wit a side like Sunlun is over, as Keano jess assess de boy and buy him for a couple years, ent?
When yuh see meh boy read dis thread, he go be fuming, and fuh spite he go ress dong 2, doy doy! in de goal when de season start. Once yuh start doubting de boy he does geh fired up as he start geyyin' flashbacks from de days in Tacarigua and when "Jap" an' dem was wukkin'on his skills.
Yeah, watch him slight. If ah wrong, ah go sadly face de music, accept fate and lobby for a Stern-turn recognition structure so we eh go fuhget. ;D
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That may be justa rumor but it would not be a big surprise at all. We Trinis don't want to accept the fact that Stern is past his prime and has not done much for Sunderland during the lattter part of the season. Now that they are in the big times, Keane want players that can make an impact and Stern has not been that kind of player recently. It is my opinion that he sshould not be included in the build up to 2010. Kenwyne Jones, Scotland, Roberts, Glen, and Sealy should be the younger players invested in for the future, just my opinion!!!
Berris in yuh tail!!! :rotfl:
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That may be justa rumor but it would not be a big surprise at all. We Trinis don't want to accept the fact that Stern is past his prime and has not done much for Sunderland during the lattter part of the season. Now that they are in the big times, Keane want players that can make an impact and Stern has not been that kind of player recently. It is my opinion that he sshould not be included in the build up to 2010. Kenwyne Jones, Scotland, Roberts, Glen, and Sealy should be the younger players invested in for the future, just my opinion!!!
Exactly when was Stern's prime that is now past? ::)
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That may be justa rumor but it would not be a big surprise at all. We Trinis don't want to accept the fact that Stern is past his prime and has not done much for Sunderland during the lattter part of the season. Now that they are in the big times, Keane want players that can make an impact and Stern has not been that kind of player recently. It is my opinion that he sshould not be included in the build up to 2010. Kenwyne Jones, Scotland, Roberts, Glen, and Sealy should be the younger players invested in for the future, just my opinion!!!
Exactly when was Stern's prime that is now past? ::)
I guess he was referring to 2001-2002, just after the hex, when he buss the 20+ goals in the championship and take Birmingham to the Premiership after they buy him from Nottngham Forest.
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Or maybe 2005-2006 where he score 6 goals in 7 games between june and october to get us to the playoffs and then score 11 goals in 22 matches for Coventry in the second half of the season ::)
Whether or not he being sold to Preston (which i highly doubt, it would make more sense to loan him off in november if he pulling stones in the epl) storeboy being a bit harsh.
Stern played 15 games for sunderland and scored 4 goals and made 2 assists. Considering that in "the latter part of the season" he hardly started and didn't play a full game, its not that bad, especially when you consider that he was the last player to be drafted into a team of strangers and didn't necessarily have the cohesion necessary with his team mates.
There is a difference between not including him in the buildup for 2010 and keeping him out altogether from the WC drive. The second option would be a bad idea until number 14 himself proves us wrong
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Pointman questioning stern's prime? steups!
midknight, yuh forget to put de MLS stats!!
Shit league or not, de man scored 50+ goals in 60+ games in de MLS.
ah love it!!
ps: ah feeling a going and wear meh birmingham city "stern 14" today
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pointman...pointman...you cant be serious???
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He talkin about Trinidad and Tobago's ALL time leading goalscorer not having a prime?? i guess tha's because he was just so good for so many years that it didn't seem like he had peaked until we look at him in the recent past and realise how truly great he was.
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I think Stern John is going to do very well in the Premier League as I think he has been waiting for this for a long time.
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Ah sure the Concacaf teams especially Guatemala Goalie in 2005 eh have them questions ;D
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David Nugent is close to realising his dream of Premiership football after Sunderland launched a £6million bid to sign him.
Sportsmail can reveal that Sunderland manager Roy Keane has contacted Preston with a partexchange offer involving Stern John.
Keane has yet to receive an official reply but is confident after learning that his is the only bid.
It is understood that, in anticipation of Preston giving their consent for talks to begin, Keane has made plans to meet Nugent in Holland, where he is preparing with England for the Under 21 European Championship.
The 22-year-old striker, capped by Steve McClaren earlier in the season, attracted a failed £6mbid from Sheffield United in January and has been linked repeatedly with his boyhood idols Everton.
But Sunderland look to have the field to themselves, following the Bramall Lane club’s relegation and apparent misgivings at Goodison Park about whether he would fit in alongside Andrew Johnson.
Keane is believed to have offered two other players as part of the package but Trinidad and Tobago striker John is most likely to appeal to Preston manager Paul Simpson.
There may yet be some negotiating over John’s value, as Preston will lose up to 30 per cent of Nugent’s fee under the terms of the deal that took him from Bury to Deepdale in January 2005.
I was not sure if this was posted yet.
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No it was not ! ..
Steupssssssssssss this is the ting with sunderland eh huhhh. They donèt even know what they gonna lose ,by not giving John a shot,he would do just what carlos did for them last season ...they ein t even know,.
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It is understood that, in anticipation of Preston giving their consent for talks to begin, Keane has made plans to meet Nugent in Holland, where he is preparing with England for the Under 21 European Championship.
The 22-year-old striker, capped by Steve McClaren earlier in the season, attracted a failed £6mbid from Sheffield United in January and has been linked repeatedly with his boyhood idols Everton.
Eh? ;D
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Nevertheless ,they could trade sumbody else .But they underestimating his potential passion and hunger .Techincally it is a good trade ,but he could be a huge X factor ,and they don t even know it .
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ah feelin rel bad fuh stern boy under all da semi-shittyness i relly feel he deserved a shot at d premiership..is like yuh fadda tellin yuh he buyin ah vapors fuh yuh an bring back ah patrick instead..ah mean..football is football eh...buh come nah maaaaaaaaan :'(
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ah feelin rel bad fuh stern boy under all da semi-shittyness i relly feel he deserved a shot at d premiership..is like yuh fadda tellin yuh he buyin ah vapors fuh yuh an bring back ah patrick instead..ah mean..football is football eh...buh come nah maaaaaaaaan :'(
That kinda harsh boy.. Ah putting mih cousin on Suicide watch..
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stern go back to MLS :devil:
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It is understood that, in anticipation of Preston giving their consent for talks to begin, Keane has made plans to meet Nugent in Holland, where he is preparing with England for the Under 21 European Championship.
The 22-year-old striker, capped by Steve McClaren earlier in the season, attracted a failed £6mbid from Sheffield United in January and has been linked repeatedly with his boyhood idols Everton.
Eh? ;D
You can play in the tournament over the age of 21 if you were 21 or under in the qualifers.
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stern go back to MLS :devil:
I remember when I said that and got told off ;D but I was joking of course
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It is understood that, in anticipation of Preston giving their consent for talks to begin, Keane has made plans to meet Nugent in Holland, where he is preparing with England for the Under 21 European Championship.
The 22-year-old striker, capped by Steve McClaren earlier in the season, attracted a failed £6mbid from Sheffield United in January and has been linked repeatedly with his boyhood idols Everton.
Eh? ;D
You can play in the tournament over the age of 21 if you were 21 or under in the qualifers.
I figured as much..but still wondered why they call it an Under 21 tournament if you can be 21 in the qualifiers. Should be an Under 22 ;D
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It is understood that, in anticipation of Preston giving their consent for talks to begin, Keane has made plans to meet Nugent in Holland, where he is preparing with England for the Under 21 European Championship.
The 22-year-old striker, capped by Steve McClaren earlier in the season, attracted a failed £6mbid from Sheffield United in January and has been linked repeatedly with his boyhood idols Everton.
Eh? ;D
You can play in the tournament over the age of 21 if you were 21 or under in the qualifers.
I figured as much..but still wondered why they call it an Under 21 tournament if you can be 21 in the qualifiers. Should be an Under 22 ;D
21 and Under?? ;D
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Ah know allyuh doh want to hear this but stern didnt do extraordinarily good at that sunderland and to make the step up Keane has to look at his options ...notice there is no offer of yorke or carlos...if stern keep playing like some of those games i saw him play with sunderland no club will want him
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Ah know allyuh doh want to hear this but stern didnt do extraordinarily good at that sunderland and to make the step up Keane has to look at his options ...notice there is no offer of yorke or carlos...if stern keep playing like some of those games i saw him play with sunderland no club will want him
I think sterns days are numbered as a baller....................
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Nah not yet he eh finished he just have to work harder to get into better shape to do what he does and that is finish....!
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Ah know allyuh doh want to hear this but stern didnt do extraordinarily good at that sunderland and to make the step up Keane has to look at his options ...notice there is no offer of yorke or carlos...if stern keep playing like some of those games i saw him play with sunderland no club will want him
I think sterns days are numbered as a baller....................
I don't think so, but he may need to accept the fact that he's only a Championship level player, unless he does something to improve his game.
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Ah know allyuh doh want to hear this but stern didnt do extraordinarily good at that sunderland and to make the step up Keane has to look at his options ...notice there is no offer of yorke or carlos...if stern keep playing like some of those games i saw him play with sunderland no club will want him
I think sterns days are numbered as a baller....................
I don't think so, but he may need to accept the fact that he's only a Championship level player, unless he does something to improve his game.
Imagine that eh and people still think this is the best thing T&T have up front,we don't want to try/give a younger person or someone else a chance to prove themselves.
The thing with Stern is that if he has to last much longer in the game he has to change his position like Yorke did,strikers don't last very long,physically their body's take too much licks,the older you get you get slower loose that sharpness,i will tend to agree with Saga Pinto on this.
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Stern has a talent that few have.
He can put the ball in the back of the net. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT. That ability will not be going away in a hurry.
A lot of people write him off, and the way he plays certainly doesn't endear him to people who like their strikers direct and aggressive and tackling back etc.
But a striker's job is unique. Often a lonely predator forced to hunt on their own. Their personality MUST be one where they thrive on adversity because along with the glory when you do well comes great abuse when you don't. You can't be a weak personality and play striker because when you miss....and you will.....you have to keep confidence in yourself that the next one will go in.
So for all de people writin off de greatest goalscorer T&T has ever produced.....do so at yuh peril. And even if he has come to the twilight of his career (which I feel he far from)....give him the respect he is DUE. He has EARNED it!
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Stern has a talent that few have.
He can put the ball in the back of the net. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT. That ability will not be going away in a hurry.
A lot of people write him off and the way he plays...certainly doesn't endear him to people who like their strikers direct and agrressive and tackling back etc.
But a striker's job is unique. Often a lonely predator forced to hunt on their own. Their personality MUST be one where they thrive on adversity because along with the glory when you do well comes great abuse when you don't. You can't be a weak personality and play striker because when you miss....and you will.....you have to keep confidence in yourself that the next one will go in.
So for all de people writin off de greatest goalscorer T&T has ever produced.....do so at yuh peril. And even if he has come to the twilight of his career (which I feel he far from)....give him the respect he is DUE. He has EARNED it!
I have been off the forum for a few days, and there are so many threads tuh get caught up with. However, Palos ah read your post and it was real touching, everything you said about Stern, is right on de money :applause: :beermug:. I read it and feel sad in my heart, tuh know de breddah just went tuh Sunderland, assisted in what ever way he cud, tuh help Sunderland get into in de EPL, and now he is linked tuh being traded back tuh de Championship. I know some of us may sit and say, damn I wish I was ah professional footballer, big money, big celebrity life, girls, etc. Yuh know what, looking at what these guys go through, yuh have tuh love and respect not only their talent, but their heart and courage tuh make ah living in de football world and doh give up. Stern as one of yuh supporters, ah really hope yuh doh get traded, I honestly believe yuh cud contribute tuh Sunderland in de EPL. Players do get injured, and some times be out for a long time, and having a man as Stern tuh turn to, dat been there done dat in de EPL, tuh me is a big assest to any team. That is just my lil 2 cents, of course Mr Keane is de boss, and he should know best. Give thanks. HIGHLY BLESSED.
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11 June 2007
http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-qqqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=34785-qqqx=1.asp
Irish Examiner
Connolly to leave as Keane lures Nugent
By Phil Campion
SUNDERLAND boss Roy Keane could use Irish striker David Connolly as a bargaining tool in his attempt to sign Preston goal machine Dave Nugent.
It was reported a few days ago that Sunderland offered former Birmingham City striker Stern John to North End but boss Paul Simpson wants Connolly, who to Roy Keane’s dismay has not been part of Stephen Staunton’s international plans.
Sunderland are one of a host of clubs showing interest in Nugent who has been valued at €9m and wants to leave Deepdale following Preston’s failure to win promotion to the Premiership.
Connolly is a proven goal-scorer at Championship level — scoring 98 goals in 245 games, but the 30-year-old former West Ham striker struggled in the Premiership with just one goal in 19 appearances.
The 5’9” striker, who played 41 games for Ireland, scored on his Premiership debut for Wigan in the summer of 2005 but failed to find the net in his other 18 appearances for the Latics that season before joining Roy Keane at Sunderland. Nugent earned a call-up to the England squad in March when he scored on his international debut against Andorra and McClaren told Nugent he needed to be playing Premiership football if he was to further his international ambitions.
Preston chief Simpson said: “There’s been a lot of speculation going around again but when we have something to tell everybody about David Nugent we will tell everybody.
“We are not hiding anything. As much as the rumours are circulating around, until there is anything definite then we have got nothing to say about it.
“We had all the kit for pre-season delivered on Monday and we will be marking David Nugent’s kit up for him because at this moment I am expecting him to come back to us.
“I’m hoping that he comes back to us, but in a way it will be out of our hands, we can’t do anything. We are not trying to sell him, we’ve got him here and we want it to stay that way.”
Nugent, who was eligible to play for Ireland, is part of the England Under 21 squad in Holland for the UEFA Under 21 Championships.
:praying:
Didn't know Connolly was 30; hopefully this trade may not involve Stern.
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It has been said that TNT is the land of humour and rumour. This is a real TT site nuff kicks and nuff rumours
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From what I saw in the press, Nugent going to Everton-his favourite team. Stern, will be good enough for the national team for at least 3 years, no matter what team he plays for. This story a week old.
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Pointman questioning stern's prime? steups!
midknight, yuh forget to put de MLS stats!!
Shit league or not, de man scored 50+ goals in 60+ games in de MLS.
ah love it!!
ps: ah feeling a going and wear meh birmingham city "stern 14" today
I ent questioning Stern's prime ,ah questioning the ascertion that it is past!
Make no mistake STERN JOHN IS MY HORSE, always will be.
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http://home.skysports.com/transferarticle.aspx?hlid=474841
Keane pulls out of Nugent race
By Tom Adams - Created on 2 Jul 2007
Preston North End have confirmed that Sunderland are no longer interested in signing England international David Nugent.
The Black Cats were given permission to discuss terms with the striker, along with another unnamed Premier League club, but have now withdrawn an offer which was believed to be in the region of £7million.
Reports in the English media have claimed that Nugent could be holding out for a potential move to boyhood club Everton, with Portsmouth also understood to be keen on the player who scored on his England debut in March.
Sunderland held talks with the striker before he went on holiday at the end of June, and Black Cats chairman Niall Quinn recently rated his club's chances of completing the signing at 50-50.
However, the North East club will now turn their attentions to other targets after Preston confirmed that Sunderland had officially withdrawn their interest.
"North End chairman Derek Shaw received a phone call from Sunderland chief executive Peter Walker at 3.15pm on Monday 2nd July which explained that after discussions with manager Roy Keane, Sunderland football club would be pulling out of their interest in Preston striker David Nugent," confirmed a statement on Preston's website.
Black Cats chief executive Walker has also confirmed that Nugent is no longer a target, stating: "I can confirm that we have withdrawn our offer for the player.
"Naturally, work continues behind the scenes to strengthen our squad ahead of the new season and talks are ongoing with a number of targets."
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With Chopra’s arrival and Keane interested in adding another forward to last season’s top-scorer David Connolly, highly-rated youngster Anthony Stokes and Daryl Murphy, the long-term futures of Elliott and Stern John appear to lie elsewhere.
Like Elliott, Stern John lacks Premiership pedigree. The 30-year-old’s January signing from Coventry City was seen at the time as a short-term measure to win promotion.
Signing could spark summer sales (http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/sunderlandafc/news/tm_headline=signing-could-spark-summer-sales%26method=full%26objectid=19461811%26siteid=50081-name_page.html)
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Hopes up still for stern!!!
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Elliott completes Wolves transfer
BBC Sport
Elliott moved to Sunderland from Manchester City in 2004
Wolves have signed Republic of Ireland striker Stephen Elliott from Sunderland for an undisclosed fee.
The 23-year-old agreed a three-year contract at Molineux, and has joined Mick McCarthy's squad in Dublin for their pre-season tour of Ireland.
"I cannot wait for the season to start because I really believe we can push for promotion," said Elliott.
"I have been training with Sunderland so I am pretty much up to date and the fitness will take care of itself."
McCarthy paid tribute to the attacking instincts of his new acquisition.
"I signed him as a youngster at Sunderland so I know a lot about him and what he is capable of," he told his club's website.
"He's a good footballer, he's always a threat up front and he gets goals."
Elliott has scored 22 goals in 81 league appearances since joining Sunderland from Manchester City in the summer of 2004 - for a fee of £125,000 which was set by a tribunal.
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He can put the ball in the back of the net. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT.
That is a misprint or joke right? I agree that the man deserve respect for the service and contribution to the national game. But if you look closer at his attempts at goal, "miss the library" and score. you have to see that he could have a better conversion rate, rite?
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He can put the ball in the back of the net. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT.
That is a misprint or joke right? I agree that the man deserve respect for the service and contribution to the national game. But if you look closer at his attempts at goal, "miss the library" and score. you have to see that he could have a better conversion rate, rite?
Well then give us the stats then, Mr. Objectivity
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He can put the ball in the back of the net. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT.
That is a misprint or joke right? I agree that the man deserve respect for the service and contribution to the national game. But if you look closer at his attempts at goal, "miss the library" and score. you have to see that he could have a better conversion rate, rite?
Well then give us the stats then, Mr. Objectivity
spoken like a fella who've never seen him play. if he get sweat this season..take a close look.
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He can put the ball in the back of the net. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT.
That is a misprint or joke right? I agree that the man deserve respect for the service and contribution to the national game. But if you look closer at his attempts at goal, "miss the library" and score. you have to see that he could have a better conversion rate, rite?
Well then give us the stats then, Mr. Objectivity
spoken like a fella who've never seen him play. if he get sweat this season..take a close look.
His performance this season is irrelevant; Your statement was in reference to his past performances, I believe. You made a statement. I'm simply asking you to back it up.
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He can put the ball in the back of the net. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT.
That is a misprint or joke right? I agree that the man deserve respect for the service and contribution to the national game. But if you look closer at his attempts at goal, "miss the library" and score. you have to see that he could have a better conversion rate, rite?
Well then give us the stats then, Mr. Objectivity
spoken like a fella who've never seen him play. if he get sweat this season..take a close look.
His performance this season is irrelevant; Your statement was in reference to his past performances, I believe. You made a statement. I'm simply asking you to back it up.
regardless of the season . I stand by what I say. you have the right to believe whatever you choose.
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the point is. is he staying or is he a gonnah. to france with his stats. no disrespect to you both,but to much arguement over nothing,whether he's all that or not , i just want to know will he be playing in the prem at least for a half season.
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the point is. is he staying or is he a gonnah. to france with his stats. no disrespect to you both,but to much arguement over nothing,whether he's all that or not , i just want to know will he be playing in the prem at least for a half season.
Dat is Stern in a nutshell boss...yuh jess never know.
If he stay in de EPL or go back to the Championship...either way is justified because we know how Stern game is.
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the point is. is he staying or is he a gonnah. to france with his stats. no disrespect to you both,but to much arguement over nothing,whether he's all that or not , i just want to know will he be playing in the prem at least for a half season.
Dat is Stern in a nutshell boss...yuh jess never know.
If he stay in de EPL or go back to the Championship...either way is justified because we know how Stern game is.
Stern responds to abuse it would seem. If Keane wants to get anything out of him, he should loan him out for the first three months of the season or so. Bet you when he comes back, he plays a big hand in Sunderland stayin up.
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check some talk here on Stern: http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=29461.0
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Striker swoop mooted
By: Clubcall
20070723 16:35
Hull boss Phil Brown has confirmed he would be interested in Stern John if Sunderland made the striker available this summer.
The Tigers are on the look out for a new striker and Brown, who once signed the player for Derby, would jump at the chance to re-sign him if Roy Keane allowed the player to move on.
John may struggle for regular action now that Sunderland are in the Premiership and Brown could offer him first-team football.
"I have not mentioned Stern John to Roy Keane, but I took him to Derby and he's a very good footballer," Brown revealed. "If a player of Stern John's calibre was to become available, then yes we would be interested, but that wasn't the conversation I had with Roy Keane.
"You are always on the phone with other managers - people who you know and people who you don't know - but you're in contact to see who is becoming available. That's all it was, a call to see who is available because of the people he is bringing in."
Hull Not Interested In Stern John?
By: Vitalfootball
Phil brown has confirmed that Hull City should sign two players before the end of the week, but they will not include a striker from Sunderland.
After the Christian Nade deal fell through, the Tigers boss was rumored to have moved onto Sunderland front-man Stern John. The Trinidad and Tobago forward is likely to move after the club's promotion to the Premiership, but Brown has denied making a move.
Sunderland striker David Connolly has also been mentioned as a possible target but Brown's comments would suggest he is not about to make a move for the former Leicester and Wigan forward. Instead, Brown's desired target is believed to be defender Clive Clarke who can cover a range of defensive and midfield positions.
The other target is unknown although fans shouldn't be suprised if it is Ipswich Town striker Alan Lee, even though the club has claimed they have rejected two of Hull City's offers.
Meanwhile, the Henrik Pedersen saga continues as rumours circulate the player failed a second medical last week. The Danish striker has two weeks remaining, according to reports, to prove to Phil Brown he can play a prominent part in next season's Championship.
Interestingly, Brown did state that one of these two signings will break the club's transfer record, but with that standing at half a million pounds, fans may be left disappointed if they believe the club are about to spend multi-millions before Saturday's Doncaster Rovers match.