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Commercial: Breach of Contract.
Filing Attorney: Farid Scoon (SCF1992050)
Mansfield House
24 Abercromby Street
Port of Spain
Tel: 868 627 6854: 868 684 3817
FAX: 868 627 8191
Email: fscoon@hotmail.com
In the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago
In the high court of Justice - No: CV 2007 – [ ]
Between:
Marvin Andrews
Christopher Birchall
Atiba Charles
Cyd Gray
Ian Cox
Cornell Glen
Shaka Hislop
Avery John
Stern John
Kenwyne Jones
Kelvin Jack
Collin Samuel
Brent Sancho
Aurtis Whitley
Evans Wise
Anthony Wolfe
Claimants
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(1) The Trinidad andTobago Football Association (also known as ‘The Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation’)
(2) Oliver Camps (trading as ‘Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation’)
Defendants
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Statement of Case/Particulars of claim
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The Parties
1. The Claimants are all professional football players who were all selected by the First Defendant to represent Trinidad & Tobago at the finals of the FIFA World Cup which were held in Germany during the months of June and July 2006 (“the 2006 Finals”).
2. The First Defendant is a body corporate incorporated by Act No. 17 of 1982 (“the Act”) with offices at No. 24 - 26 Dundonald Street, Port of Spain, in the Island of Trinidad. Section 3 of the Act sets out the aims and objectives of the First Defendant as, inter alia, ‘to regulate and control the conduct of football in Trinidad and Tobago (under the Federation Internationale de Football Association system)…” The Federation Internationale de Football Association (FIFA) is the world governing body for the sport of football. The First Defendant is the sole FIFA affiliated governing body for the sport of football within Trinidad and Tobago. The First Defendant styles itself as the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation or T&TFF.
3. The Second Defendant is the President of the First Defendant and the apparent proprietor of an unincorporated business trading as ‘Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation’ registered in his name under the Registration of Business Names Act 1932 on the 5th of April 2006. In his application for registration (a copy of which is hereto attached and marked “A”) the Second Defendant stated that the nature of his business was that of a ‘Football Association’.
4. The First Defendant is responsible for the selection of the Trinidad & Tobago national football team. The expression ‘team’ includes not only those football players that actually play in any match but the squad of players selected for each competition, tournament or match. The squad will typically consist of a larger number of players than are ultimately involved in the team that actually plays (or are ‘on the bench’ as a potential substitute) in any match. The First Defendant is also responsible for making all the necessary arrangements to enable the national team to compete in the various competitions and friendly international matches in which it participates.
5. The First Defendant’s responsibilities include entering into contracts and other arrangements with players selected to make up the Trinidad & Tobago national team. In addition to paying the costs involved in participating in these matches this will typically include such matters as the financial compensation payable to players by way of a match fee, bonuses and other incentives, reimbursement of expenses, and such matters as sharing commercial revenue generated by the commercialisation of the players’ and/or the team’s name, fame and reputation, including sponsorship, product endorsement and what are sometimes referred to as player ‘image rights’ deals.
6. At all material times the Claimants (and other players making up the squad that had been selected by the First Defendant for the Finals but who have not joined in with these proceedings) in their dealings with the First Defendant were represented by a committee (the Players Committee) which had authority to act for all the Claimants. The Players Committee was formed during the Summer of 2005 to represent the interests of the Trinidad & Tobago team especially in relation to their participation in the Finals, if qualification was achieved, and for the purpose of conducting such negotiations and concluding such contracts as may be expedient. The players making up the Players Committee were Messrs Andrews, Hislop, Sancho, Dennis Lawrence and Stern John.
7. Mr Jack Warner was at all material times and remains the controlling will and mind of the First Defendant, and also of a company known as LOC Germany 2006 Limited (Company #1138631) and possibly other companies and entities with an involvement with Trinidad and Tobago football. LOC Germany 2006 Limited appears to the Claimants to have been some form of commercial agent of the First Defendant.
The Background to the Contract between the Parties
8. On 16th November 2005 Trinidad and Tobago qualified for the 2006 Finals by beating Bahrain 2-1 on aggregate over the two matches played against them. Qualifications for the World Cup Finals are hotly contested and 2006 was the first time that Trinidad and Tobago had ever qualified for the final stages of the senior football World Cup.
9. Upon qualifying for the 2006 Finals the First Defendant became entitled to a participation award from FIFA in the sum of Swiss Francs (FIFA being based in Zurich, Switzerland) CHF 7,000,000 (approximately US$ 5,600,000). Qualification also means a guarantee of world wide television and mass media exposure for the team and the players making up the national squad. There is an inevitable commercial spin off to this in that companies (especially, but certainly not exclusively, sporting goods manufacturers) will pay very large sums of money to be associated with any of the teams that have made it through to the Finals.
10. In anticipation of Trinidad & Tobago qualifying for the 2006 Finals, and particularly the commercial benefits that would accrue to the First Defendant if that was to happen, a series of meetings took place. The first meeting was held on the 9th November 2005 at the Crown Plaza Hotel, Wrightson Road, Port of Spain between the Players Committee of the one part and Mr Jack Warner and Mr Richard Groden representing the First Defendant of the other part. The second meeting was held on the 8th January 2006 at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel, London between the Players Committee on the one part and Jack Warner, Richard Groden, Bruce Aanensen (team manager) and Mike Berry (a United Kingdom Football Association Licensed Agent and the agent to a number of the T&T players playing in British Leagues and in another capacity a business adviser and assistant to the First Defendant) representing the First Defendant of the other part. A third meeting was held on the 9th January 2006 at the Hilton Hotel, Dartford, England, and by telephone conference, between the Players Committee of the one part and Bruce Annansen representing the First Defendant of the other part. In these meetings, the Claimants and the First Defendant agreed terms of remuneration for the team in connection with their participation in the 2006 Finals.
The Contract between the Parties
11. At the meetings of 9th November 2005 and 8th January 2006 the following terms were agreed (“the Agreement”):
i. If the Team qualified for the 2006 Finals the players who had participated in the qualification games would collectively receive a payment equivalent to 50% of the CHF 7,000,000 participation award to be paid to the First Defendant by FIFA;
ii. If the Team qualified for the 2006 Finals the players who made up the World Cup squad for the 2006 Finals would collectively receive:
a. A payment equivalent to 50% of the profit arising from the six warm-up games that were to be arranged and played as part of the team’s preparation for the Finals (these warm up games were to be against Iceland, Peru, Wales, Slovenia, FC St. Pauli and the Czech Republic and because of the huge interest in the team that had been created by their qualification these matches were expected to be well attended, televised, and commercially successful); and
b. A payment equivalent to 30% of the commercial revenue generated as a consequence of the team’s participation in the 2006 Finals. Commercial revenue in the context of this agreement meant the value of revenue generated by all commercial agreements whether in money or goods or services being paid to or made available to the First Defendant (or any other company or entity mentioned at 11 vii. below) as a consequence of the team’s qualification to the Finals. This would include for instance the value of clothing and other kit supply deals and other deals made in return for commercial/brand exposure which would become available to the First Defendant because the national team had qualified for the Finals, other corporate sponsorship and payments and licensing and merchandising revenues.
iii. The Claimants would be paid their various entitlements including those under (i) and (ii) immediately above within a reasonable time of the various sums being received by the First Defendant (or any other company or entity described at 11 vii. below).
iv. The First Defendant was obliged to keep the Claimants informed of the amounts and likely payment dates for the various revenues, and in the case of the match revenues to calculate the profits on these matches using standard and accepted accounting procedures.
v. The First Defendant was obliged to maintain proper accounts of all the revenues which it had agreed to share with the players (whether that revenue was paid to the First Defendant or another party) and to allow inspection of those accounts for the purpose of verifying the total amount due to the players.
vi. In so far as the First Defendant used the services of a third party (such as a commercial sponsorship agent) it would do so acting at all times in the best interests of the First Defendant and would contract with any such agent on normal arms length commercial terms.
vii. The First Defendant would account to the Claimants in respect of all revenue of the type covered by the Agreement whether that revenue was paid to the First Defendant, the Second Defendant or:
a. to a company, or companies, that were owned by the first and/or second Defendants, or, were owned or controlled, legally or beneficially, individually or together, by Jack Warner and/or the Second Defendant and/or Richard Groden or any nominee of any of them;
b. to Jack Warner and/or the Second Defendant and/or Richard Groden, individually or together, legally or beneficially, and/or to an agent acting on their behalf; or
c. any other party under the effective ownership or control of or serving as agent of the First Defendant, the Second Defendant, Jack Warner and/or Richard Groden.
viii. The First Defendant would use its best endeavours to maximise the revenue which was to be shared with the players under the Agreement.
ix. Payment of all sums due to the players would be made without deduction or set off save where this was specifically agreed.
x. That if any officer, employee, adviser or agent of the First Defendant was to establish any business in the name of the First Defendant (or a name confusingly similar to the name of the First Defendant) or otherwise hold himself out as the First Defendant then the First Defendant and that officer, employee, adviser or agent would be liable to account to the players for monies received by him in the same way as the First Defendant under the Agreement.
Further, or alternatively, the terms set out at 11 iii – x above are to be implied into the Agreement by reason of being the obvious intention of the parties and also as a matter of business efficacy.
12. The Claimants provided consideration for the Contract by playing for the team (or being available to play for the team and duly qualifying for the Finals).
The Variation of the contract
13. At a meeting held on the 12th day of June 2006, in the team hotel in Rottenberg, Germany, the Players Committee and Mr Jack Warner (acting on behalf of the First Defendant) agreed to vary a term of the Agreement so that the collective entitlement of the players making up the World Cup squad, including the Claimants, to 30% of the commercial revenues set out at paragraph 11(ii)b., would be increased to 50%. The consideration for this variation agreement was that the players agreed to accept late payment of monies due under the Agreement payment being promised until after the 2006 Finals.
The Participation Player Agreement
14. At the end of March or in the beginning of April 2006, the players who had been selected to play in the finals were obliged to sign a ‘Player Agreement.’ A copy of this Player Agreement is attached hereto and marked “B”. The Player Agreement was expressed to run until 31st July, 2006.
15. The Player Agreement did not cover the matters dealt with in the Agreement. The terms of the Player Agreement had no relevance to the terms of the Agreement, nor did the fact that the players entered into the Player Agreement in anyway limit the obligations of the First Defendant under the Agreement.
Withholding of monies from the FIFA participation award
16. The First Defendant (or someone on its behalf) was paid the sum of CHF 7,000,000 by FIFA as compensation for its participation in the 2006 Finals, 50% of which was due to the team. Mr Warner told the Claimants that the First Defendant would suffer a deduction from this payment of an amount equal to 26.5% in respect of (1) withholding tax applied by the German tax authorities (being at the rate of 21.5%) and (2) as a mandatory payment towards players medical/health insurance (5%). The First Defendant appears to have made a deduction of this amount in full from the one half share due to the players and in any event the First Defendant has only paid to the team the sum of CHF 2,000,000. In fact no such deductions were made by FIFA or the German tax authorities and the Claimants are owed the amount of CHF 755,550 (referred to as ‘the Tax/Insurance Withholding’) being the amount of their entitlement wrongfully withheld by the First Defendant.
17. At the request of the Claimants (and other players not participating in these proceedings) the First Defendant withheld the sum of US$ 36,000 (referred to as ‘the Charity Withheld Sum’) from the amount due to the players from the CHF 7,000,000. The intention of the players at the time of the request was to have this money paid to charity but they had not at that time decided which charities should benefit. Of the Charity Withheld Sum, the sum of US$ 26,608.70 is the proportion due to the Claimants.
18. By letters dated 6th December 2006, 23rd January 2007, 30th January 2007 and 28th February 2007, the Claimants, through their solicitors, have requested the First Defendant to pay the due proportion of the Charity Withheld Sum to the Claimants but the First Defendant has neglected or failed or refused to do so. A true copy of each of these letters is hereto annexed as a bundle marked “C”.
Duty to account and the inadequacy of accounts that have been provided
19. In order to determine whether or not the First Defendant has complied with its obligation under the Agreement, the Claimants are entitled to receive from the First Defendant, and from the Second Defendant in respect of any monies covered by the Agreement received by his apparent sole trader business, on request, an account of any sums received by any party which is, or may be, subject to the terms of the Agreement.
20. On or about the 23rd August 2006 the First Defendant produced what it purported to be an account of the gross revenues earned by the First Defendant and the share of those revenues which were allegedly due to the players (‘the Player Account’). That account is hereto attached marked ‘D’.
21. In the ‘Summary’ box the Player Account states that the TTFF made a ‘Net Profit of $950,403.49, 50% of which will be for equal distribution amongst the players and officials, and 50% to the T&TFF’.
22. The basis of the revenue sharing which is set out in the said ‘Summary’ is wrong in that the Claimants’ entitlement is as set out in the Agreement referred to at paragraph 11 above. The parties did not agree to share ‘Net Profit’ but to share certain revenue generated from the team’s participation in the Finals. The overall T&TFF ‘profit’ was for the First Defendant to manage based on revenue received by it and its control of expenditure. The amount of profit the First Defendant would be able to generate depended on factors outside the control of the Claimants such as: in relation to the qualification matches how the income or expenditure was to be generated, the price of the tickets for admission, the sale of advertising, television or other rights, or the choice of suppliers or cost of the various services required to put on the matches; or in the case of the commercial revenues, the terms of the commercial agreements entered into by the First Defendant, its agents or associated companies and the amount of its general office overhead costs it chose to attribute to World Cup matters rather than to its other functions. In relation to profit, this would also depend on the amount of public subsidy by way of Government grants which were available to the First Defendant and costs would be partially offset by the payment of the FIFA CHF 7,000,000 participation award. Further, the suggestion in the Summary Box that the Agreement contained any provision to distribute money to ‘players and officials’ is wrong. The Agreement was entered into between the First Defendant and the Players Committee on behalf of the players and dealt with the entitlement of the players only. It did not involve the team officials who were not a party to the Agreement.
23. The Player Account that was provided to the players was defective and failed to discharge the First Defendant’s duty to provide an accurate account of all monies due to the players under the Agreement. The Player Account was incomplete and inaccurate in a number of ways, in particular:
23.1 In relation to the players’ entitlement to a share of the revenue arising from the Warm-Up Games as set out in paragraph 11(ii)(a) above:
23.1.1 The Player Account failed to identify in any detail the revenue attributable to the Warm-Up Games. Under the heading ‘B Aanensen Warm Up Games’ there is a global figure of $9,258,100 for income for all the games which confusingly appears in the column for ‘Sponsorship’. This global figure is given without any break down by ticket sales, on-site advertising, hospitality, television, sponsorship or other commercial revenue, bar and catering receipts. In the circumstances it is simply impossible to begin to establish the accuracy of the figure;
23.1.2 Equally the expenditure attributed to the Warm-Up Games in the Player Account is incomplete and does not include many of the items of expense that would normally be associated with a football match and are identified against the earlier qualification matches in the same document;
23.1.3 Such revenue as is included as having been earned from the Warm Up games was set off in the Player Account against expenditure and losses incurred for the 12 qualification matches which were not part of the Agreement. These qualification matches produced an overall loss to the First Defendant based on the disclosed accounting. The players never agreed that the losses apparently relating to these qualification matches were part of the Agreement.
23.2 In relation to the players’ entitlement to a share of the commercial revenue as set out in paragraphs 11(ii)(b) and 13 above, the Player Account fails to disclose any such commercial revenue at all. There is no reference to the income from the team’s sponsors, such as Adidas, KFC, Carib, and eBay among others. There is no mention of licensing and merchandising revenues or of any specific product endorsement income, or any other revenue of this type.
23.3 According to the Player Account, the sum to be shared with the players (and officials) is just TT$ 475,201.75.
24. At around the same time as the Player Account was given to the players a different set of accounts appeared on the First Defendant’s web site at www.socawarriorstt.com. This account, ‘the Web Site Account’, is attached hereto and marked “E”.
25. It is not clear what the purpose of the Web Site Account was intended to be. It was addressed to Mr Warner in his capacity as President of CONCACAF (the Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football). It was apparently sent under cover of a letter to Mr Warner on the 5th October 2006. However the following matters appear relevant for the purpose of these proceedings;
25.1 The Web Site Account, like the Player Account, deals in the main with profit and loss accounting for the 12 Qualification Matches, which are irrelevant to the calculation of what the Claimants are owed under the Agreement.
25.2 The words ‘Amount Due @ 50%’ appear on the document although what is referred to is not clear.
25.3 The Web Site Account does attempt to separately identify the sponsorship income and lists the following sponsors with the following revenue set out next to their names;
Adidas - $1,800,000;
TSTT/BMobile - $4,000,000;
Busta - $1,000,000;
KFC - $1,000,000;
Carib - $3,000,000;
T&TEC - [blank];
NGC - $500,000;
BHP Billinton - $150,000;
Petrotrin - $1,000,000;
Titan Methanol - $15,000;
British Gas - $ 250,000;
Ebay - $300,000.
25.4 These figures for sponsorship revenue appear to be substantially understated. For instance, it was widely reported in the press and confirmed in the First Defendant’s own press release of 9th December 2005 (attached hereto and marked “F”) that the Adidas deal alone was worth US$11.5 million and not TT$1,800,000 (approximately US$290,000). The total for all sponsorship revenue is stated to be a mere TT$13,015,000 which the Claimants believe is a substantial understatement of the true position.
26. To the extent that the Player Account or the Web Site Account purport to be an overall profit and loss account for the entire T&TFF 2006 World Cup campaign they both fail to include any income from government sources or FIFA.
27. The Claimants are unable to give further particulars of income which ought to have been included in either of the accounts and was not so included, or of other defects, omissions and inaccuracies with the Player Account or the Web Site Account until after receipt of a full and accurate account from the First Defendant, such account to include all revenues to be paid to the Claimants under the Agreement whether received by the First Defendant, the Second Defendant or individuals or companies listed at paragraph 11(vii) above.
The Requests for an Account
28. By a letter dated 24th October 2006, Michael Townley, a solicitor acting on behalf of the Claimants, wrote to the First Defendant setting out in detail the terms of the Agreement. In that letter Mr Townley stated that the players were dissatisfied with the account that had been produced and asked for proper accounts to be produced, this request was repeated in letters to the First Defendant dated 29th November 2006, 6th December 2006, 23rd January 2007, 30th January 2007 and 28th February 2007. To date no further account or accounting information has been provided by the First Defendant. These letters and the various responses of the First Defendant’s solicitors are hereto attached as a bundle marked ‘G”.
The Breach of Contract
29. The First Defendant and the Second Defendant have acted wrongfully, and in breach of the Agreement, as follows:
Particulars of Breach
29.1 The First Defendant and the Second Defendant have failed to account to the Claimants, in the manner requested or in any way that satisfies their obligation under the Agreement, for sums due to the Claimants under the Agreement;
29.2 The accounts which the First Defendant did provide to the Players were defective, incomplete and inaccurate in breach of the First Defendant’s obligation to properly account to the Claimants under the Agreement;
29.3 The First Defendant has not responded adequately to the Claimant’s solicitors repeated request for a proper account;
29.4 The First Defendant has failed to pay any sum at all to the Claimants under the Agreement in respect of the Warm Up match revenue or the commercial revenue;
29.5 The First Defendant has failed to pay to the Claimants the Tax/Insurance Withheld Sum of CHF 755,550;
29.6 The First Defendant has failed or refused to account to the Claimants for their share of the Charity Withheld Sum;
29.7 The First Defendant has failed to provide a separate account for revenue falling under the Agreement and received by the Second Defendant or by any individual or company listed in paragraphs 11(vii) above.
Particulars of loss
30. Save that in respect of the Tax/Insurance Withheld Sum and the Charity Withheld Sum where the Claimants loss is CHF 755,550 and US$26,608.70 respectively, the Claimants are unable to give particulars of their loss until receipt of a full and accurate account supported by evidence, and/or the provision of further information in this case.
And the Claimants claim:
A. An account of all sums due from the First Defendant to the Claimants under the Agreement including sums received by
a. any company, or companies, that were owned by the First and/or Second Defendants, or, were owned or controlled, legally or beneficially, individually or together, by Jack Warner and/or the Second Defendant and/or Richard Groden or any nominee of any of them;
b. Jack Warner and/or the Second Defendant and/or Richard Groden, individually or together, legally or beneficially, and/or by to an agent acting on their behalf; or
c. any other party under the effective ownership or control of or serving as agent of the First Defendant, the Second Defendant, Jack Warner and/or Richard Groden
B. An account of all sums paid to the Second Defendant of the type referred to under the Agreement.
C. An order for payment by the First Defendant and/or Second Defendant to the Claimants of all sums found to be due from the First Defendant and/or Second Defendant to the Claimants on the taking of the account under A above.
D. Payment of the Charity Withheld Sum, being US$26,608.70.
E. Payment of the Tax/Insurance Withheld Sum, being CHF 755,550.
F. Further, or alternatively, damages for breach of contract.
G. The Claimants further claim against the First Defendant interest pursuant to section [ ] of the [Supreme Court Act], on any sums found to be due to the Claimant, at such rate and for such period as the court thinks fit.
H. Costs
I. Further or other relief, including all further necessary or appropriate accounts, inquiries or directions.
Statement of Truth
We believe that the facts stated in these draft amended Particulars of Claim are true.
[I am duly authorised by the Claimants to sign this statement.]
Full Name: Farid Scoon
Name of Claimant’s solicitors firm: Farid Scoon
Mansfield House, 24 Abercromby Street, Port of Spain
Signed (Partner)
Dated [ ] June 2007
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Is Mr. Scoon brand new to the profession? i.e untouched or unbitten by Jackulas fiscal fangs
Just seems kind of odd to me that a lawyer handling a case of this magnitude would have a hotmail address for business purposes.
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Is Mr. Scoon brand new to the profession? i.e untouched or unbitten by Jackulas fiscal fangs
Just seems kind of odd to me that a lawyer handling a case of this magnitude would have a hotmail address for business purposes.
Yep. Also......the suit is being made against Camps and the ttff....but the agreement was made with Jack. hmmmm...
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The fact that he has a hotmail account may very well be a derivative that TT law firms have a limited/nonexistent web presence, largely due to the fact that there are some archaic regulations which prohibit advertising by lawyers/law firms. A web presence may indeed provoke the dinosaurs at the Law Association into classifying such as advertising. Having a free web account in no way diminishes his stature, the only alternative may very well be a "tstt.net.tt" account.
Trinidad on the whole is a step behind the world in general corporate internet presence.
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Still, it isnt so hard to get a email address that not web based. By simply getting internet access from any company you get a email address. It isnt a matter of getting a domain, or all that.
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Still, it isnt so hard to get a email address that not web based. By simply getting internet access from any company you get a email address. It isnt a matter of getting a domain, or all that.
fella, even some members of the T&T government se gmail, yahoo, and hotmail..it may not be hard, but the man made some valid points, it maybe that due to the archaic laws regarding advertising dat dem eh even have ah website
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I not disputing that. In my opinion it kinda detracts from the degree of professionalism needed. But i at least glad to see that the events were stated and filed.
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Nice one FPATT!!!!
we all hope that you are successful in your action.
somebody should send this for Sepp Blatter.
Well Mr Warner MUST be "spitting mad" by this.
wait, what is dat sound.......it sounds like the closing of an external sphincter muscle.
Jackula...WE'RE HERE!!!
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Is Mr. Scoon brand new to the profession? i.e untouched or unbitten by Jackulas fiscal fangs
Just seems kind of odd to me that a lawyer handling a case of this magnitude would have a hotmail address for business purposes.
Would you feel better if it read "fscoon@gmail.com"...or perhaps "fscoon@faridscoon.com"...or maybe even "fscoon@litigators'r'us.com"?
Does it even matter? ::)
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I not disputing that. In my opinion it kinda detracts from the degree of professionalism needed. But i at least glad to see that the events were stated and filed.
...and I'm sure that has material relevance to the merits of the suit.
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I not disputing that. In my opinion it kinda detracts from the degree of professionalism needed. But i at least glad to see that the events were stated and filed.
...and I'm sure that has material relevance to the merits of the suit.
I just was speaking in the sense of where you are told "dress to impress" and along that line. If you qualified for a job, does that mean you could show up to the interview in a jeans jersey and a sandals? It eh really a major point, just things like that sometimes cause people to question how serious you are. Once the desired result is obtained.
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It have no shame in a hotmail address...especially the Accounts that are paid for monthly.
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i cannot believe in the grand scheme of things, this thread is now about a hotmail address. talk about missing the forrest for the tree
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As I said before, Farid Scoon is the filing attorney in this case. The instructing attorney is Sports Lawyer Mike Townley of Bates, Wells and Brathwaite, formerly of Athletes 1 Legal in London. Look him up.
The e-mail address being hotmail is irrelevant; no chambers in TnT have specific domain servers as in the UK and US. They all utilise either web based e-mail or ISPs such as carib-link or TSTT.
The suit is against TTFF because that is who the contract was made with and additionally Oliver Camps because he is the individual who listed himself as trading under the name TTFF and therefore he is liable to suit.
The problem with Jack labelling himself as special adviser to the TTFF is what made it difficult in officially making him a party to the action, but paragraph 7 of the Particulars of Claim is instrumental in countering any defence that he did not have the authority to make the claims he did, especially since he was the chairman of LOC Germany 2006.
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i cannot believe in the grand scheme of things, this thread is now about a hotmail address. talk about missing the forrest for the tree
Mr Mc, I was thinking exactly the same thing. People have been saying on this site that this day would never come, and how much they want to see the truth finally come out, and all the comments are about an email address!
In case some of you haven't been following the case, the lawyer for the Warriors is Michael Townley of Atheletes One Legal, one of the top sports law specialists in the world, who represents major sporting associations and clubs, including some of the Premiership clubs. Mr Scoon is the filing attorney, because Mr Townley is not authorised to file in Trinidad & Tobago.
I find it amazing, that considering the content of the claim, more has not been said. After all, if you read it carefully, you will see that it also covers any company associated with Mr Warner or Mr Groden. This has been carefully & cleverly put together to prevent things slipping through the net.
Most surprising to me is that socawarriors.com is actually mentioned in the suit and nobody has commented on that!!
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i cannot believe in the grand scheme of things, this thread is now about a hotmail address. talk about missing the forrest for the tree
Mr Mc, I was thinking exactly the same thing. People have been saying on this site that this day would never come, and how much they want to see the truth finally come out, and all the comments are about an email address!
In case some of you haven't been following the case, the lawyer for the Warriors is Michael Townley of Atheletes One Legal, one of the top sports law specialists in the world, who represents major sporting associations and clubs, including some of the Premiership clubs. Mr Scoon is the filing attorney, because Mr Townley is not authorised to file in Trinidad & Tobago.
I find it amazing, that considering the content of the claim, more has not been said. After all, if you read it carefully, you will see that it also covers any company associated with Mr Warner or Mr Groden. This has been carefully & cleverly put together to prevent things slipping through the net.
Most surprising to me is that socawarriors.com is actually mentioned in the suit and nobody has commented on that!!
Just want to clarify that socawarriorstt.com is separate and different from socawarriors.net (this site). In case you did not know.
But you are right, some people just over looked the details of the claim and are attacting someone because of thier email address...talk about pity.
Big Up!
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Just like Enron, the disappearance of documents and expense records will now start to happen......
Let the shredding begin !! ;D
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It was a real pleasure reading the intricate detail, background and educational material in this lawsuit. Thank you Flex for keeping us informed about serious matters. People, take time to read the fine details and make constructive comments please... and avoid de silly distracting talk. Aight? Niceness.
Turning point in T&T history... thanks to the guts of the Warriors. :salute: :salute:
Yeah Scamps, Jackula and Rodent.... Lemme see allyuh now! >:( :waiting:
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My only question is whether should "the 16" be successful in their suit, will "the timid" (those who chose to be removed from the list after being vocal at the onset) reap benefits as well? Or will they merely watch from the sidelines as the 16 enjoy their rightful reward?
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Still, it isnt so hard to get a email address that not web based. By simply getting internet access from any company you get a email address. It isnt a matter of getting a domain, or all that.
fella, even some members of the T&T government se gmail, yahoo, and hotmail..it may not be hard, but the man made some valid points, it maybe that due to the archaic laws regarding advertising dat dem eh even have ah website
allyuh leave gmail out ah dat... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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i cannot believe in the grand scheme of things, this thread is now about a hotmail address. talk about missing the forrest for the tree
Mr Mc, I was thinking exactly the same thing. People have been saying on this site that this day would never come, and how much they want to see the truth finally come out, and all the comments are about an email address!
In case some of you haven't been following the case, the lawyer for the Warriors is Michael Townley of Atheletes One Legal, one of the top sports law specialists in the world, who represents major sporting associations and clubs, including some of the Premiership clubs. Mr Scoon is the filing attorney, because Mr Townley is not authorised to file in Trinidad & Tobago.
I find it amazing, that considering the content of the claim, more has not been said. After all, if you read it carefully, you will see that it also covers any company associated with Mr Warner or Mr Groden. This has been carefully & cleverly put together to prevent things slipping through the net.
Most surprising to me is that socawarriors.com is actually mentioned in the suit and nobody has commented on that!!
FPATT, welcome to the shallowness of some of my people.
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Just want to clarify that socawarriorstt.com is separate and different from socawarriors.net (this site). In case you did not know.
But you are right, some people just over looked the details of the claim and are attacting someone because of thier email address...talk about pity.
Big Up!
In all fairness...I don't think anyone was attacking anyone, I acutally see their point with an attorney using a 'hotmail' address...it is seemingly incongruous with his profession...given that it is offered for communication in a professional and not personal capacity.
As much as I see the point I still think it a trivial one. That more people haven't commented on the contents of the filing...what is there to comment on that hasn't been said. We're all already familiar with the particulars, this just spells it out in legalese.
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i cannot believe in the grand scheme of things, this thread is now about a hotmail address. talk about missing the forrest for the tree
Mr Mc, I was thinking exactly the same thing. People have been saying on this site that this day would never come, and how much they want to see the truth finally come out, and all the comments are about an email address!
In case some of you haven't been following the case, the lawyer for the Warriors is Michael Townley of Atheletes One Legal, one of the top sports law specialists in the world, who represents major sporting associations and clubs, including some of the Premiership clubs. Mr Scoon is the filing attorney, because Mr Townley is not authorised to file in Trinidad & Tobago.
I find it amazing, that considering the content of the claim, more has not been said. After all, if you read it carefully, you will see that it also covers any company associated with Mr Warner or Mr Groden. This has been carefully & cleverly put together to prevent things slipping through the net.
Most surprising to me is that socawarriors.com is actually mentioned in the suit and nobody has commented on that!!
It's a clasic case of a bunch so called bright boys trying to out whit each other. my thoughts exactly, what about the case it self, fack the email adress.
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So why Jack nowhere to be seen in the suit?
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7. Mr Jack Warner was at all material times and remains the controlling will and mind of the First Defendant, and also of a company known as LOC Germany 2006 Limited (Company #1138631) and possibly other companies and entities with an involvement with Trinidad and Tobago football. LOC Germany 2006 Limited appears to the Claimants to have been some form of commercial agent of the First Defendant.
I know contract law and I highly doubt that assumption can be made based on people ''say so''...that Jack is the controlling will and mind of the TTFF.
That is something he will have to prove. Is Jack's name on the books as special advisor? Next thing you know his signing a contract on behalf of the TTFF make it become null and void since he is neither chairman or president. I know we have lawyers on board, so clarify for me if I am wrong.
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7. Mr Jack Warner was at all material times and remains the controlling will and mind of the First Defendant, and also of a company known as LOC Germany 2006 Limited (Company #1138631) and possibly other companies and entities with an involvement with Trinidad and Tobago football. LOC Germany 2006 Limited appears to the Claimants to have been some form of commercial agent of the First Defendant.
I know contract law and I highly doubt that assumption can be made based on people ''say so''...that Jack is the controlling will and mind of the TTFF.
That is something he will have to prove. Is Jack's name on the books as special advisor? Next thing you know his signing a contract on behalf of the TTFF make it become null and void since he is neither chairman or president. I know we have lawyers on board, so clarify for me if I am wrong.
He is listed as the Chairman of the LOC Germany 2006
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here is some advise in dealing with dem FIFA fellas (http://www.wikihow.com/Catch-a-Greased-Pig)
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Is Mr. Scoon brand new to the profession? i.e untouched or unbitten by Jackulas fiscal fangs
Just seems kind of odd to me that a lawyer handling a case of this magnitude would have a hotmail address for business purposes.
Dutty, see what yuh start? a little 'btw' comment leads to a page of discourse
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My only question is whether should "the 16" be successful in their suit, will "the timid" (those who chose to be removed from the list after being vocal at the onset) reap benefits as well? Or will they merely watch from the sidelines as the 16 enjoy their rightful reward?
and why isn't Dwight Yorke's name on the claimant's list? anyone have any insight?
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7. Mr Jack Warner was at all material times and remains the controlling will and mind of the First Defendant, and also of a company known as LOC Germany 2006 Limited (Company #1138631) and possibly other companies and entities with an involvement with Trinidad and Tobago football. LOC Germany 2006 Limited appears to the Claimants to have been some form of commercial agent of the First Defendant.
I know contract law and I highly doubt that assumption can be made based on people ''say so''...that Jack is the controlling will and mind of the TTFF.
That is something he will have to prove. Is Jack's name on the books as special advisor? Next thing you know his signing a contract on behalf of the TTFF make it become null and void since he is neither chairman or president. I know we have lawyers on board, so clarify for me if I am wrong.
Well...in many photos of the team recieving money....ollie camps wasnt shaking hands and recieving cheques....it was Jack Warner. It would lead one to conclude that he does play a major role in the federation...one that varies when convienent to him.
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My only question is whether should "the 16" be successful in their suit, will "the timid" (those who chose to be removed from the list after being vocal at the onset) reap benefits as well? Or will they merely watch from the sidelines as the 16 enjoy their rightful reward?
and why isn't Dwight Yorke's name on the claimant's list? anyone have any insight?
....perhaps because he is not a party to the action..... ::)
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Flex, Great work Bredda! Do you think we could start over the thread, leaving out the idiotic discussion about the Lawyers email? I don't understand how something as miniscule can hijack a thread of such wonderful worth and importance to our present and future footballing heroes. The day has finally come! From now on, Jack's bullying of our people on a whole will have to be done in a much wittier fashion. No more third world bullying Mr. Warner. Stop using our football as the laundry for you and your sons' bank accounts around the world. Best of luck to all the players, we are behind you 100% and hope that your case is settled with haste and proper judgement.
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Gmail is better dan hotmail!
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My only question is whether should "the 16" be successful in their suit, will "the timid" (those who chose to be removed from the list after being vocal at the onset) reap benefits as well? Or will they merely watch from the sidelines as the 16 enjoy their rightful reward?
and why isn't Dwight Yorke's name on the claimant's list? anyone have any insight?
dwight and russell get they money wired straight to their accounts. dem ain't business with fighting for the less fortunate players.
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My only question is whether should "the 16" be successful in their suit, will "the timid" (those who chose to be removed from the list after being vocal at the onset) reap benefits as well? Or will they merely watch from the sidelines as the 16 enjoy their rightful reward?
and why isn't Dwight Yorke's name on the claimant's list? anyone have any insight?
dwight and russell get they money wired straight to their accounts. dem ain't business with fighting for the less fortunate players.
You know this for a fact...or you just talking out yuh ass? You really think it's wise and/or fair to slander these fellas like this unnecessarily?
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My only question is whether should "the 16" be successful in their suit, will "the timid" (those who chose to be removed from the list after being vocal at the onset) reap benefits as well? Or will they merely watch from the sidelines as the 16 enjoy their rightful reward?
and why isn't Dwight Yorke's name on the claimant's list? anyone have any insight?
dwight and russell get they money wired straight to their accounts. dem ain't business with fighting for the less fortunate players.
You know this for a fact...or you just talking out yuh ass? You really think it's wise and/or fair to slander these fellas like this unnecessarily?
i asking a serious question and man jus giving me fatigue ..
so other than Yorke not being party to the action and allegedly getting money .. why is he not a party to the claim???
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My only question is whether should "the 16" be successful in their suit, will "the timid" (those who chose to be removed from the list after being vocal at the onset) reap benefits as well? Or will they merely watch from the sidelines as the 16 enjoy their rightful reward?
and why isn't Dwight Yorke's name on the claimant's list? anyone have any insight?
dwight and russell get they money wired straight to their accounts. dem ain't business with fighting for the less fortunate players.
You know this for a fact...or you just talking out yuh ass? You really think it's wise and/or fair to slander these fellas like this unnecessarily?
i asking a serious question and man jus giving me fatigue ..
so other than Yorke not being party to the action and allegedly getting money .. why is he not a party to the claim???
with all due respect pecan, that's something you might have to ask Dwight....
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i asking a serious question and man jus giving me fatigue ..
so other than Yorke not being party to the action and allegedly getting money .. why is he not a party to the claim???
as FLi said, don't you think that's a question best addressed to Dwight Yorke himself? Irrespective as to his reason, our curiousity/concern cannot be that great as to merit accusing the man of selling out his team mates, or to otherwise undermine his integrity. Maybe he weighed the pros and cons of it all and decided to support in ways other than being directly involved in the litigation...we simply don't know.
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arwright ... nobody have insight into my question and since I eh know Dwight, I go keep meh mouth shut :-[
hmmm ...
looks like a discussion and speculation as to why a lawyer have a hotmail account has more relevance to this lawsuit discussion than a discussion about people connected to de issue.
:beermug:
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arwright ... nobody have insight into my question and since I eh know Dwight, I go keep meh mouth shut :-[
hmmm ...
looks like a discussion and speculation as to why a lawyer have a hotmail account has more relevance to this lawsuit discussion than a discussion about people connected to de issue.
:beermug:
As far as i remember, after the initial strike threat made by the Warriors before the St. Vincent match, Dwight was never involved. Same goes with Latapy from the start. To those two, add those that pull their name off the list after the third set of confusion (Edwards, Scotland, Lawrence, Ince and Theobald) and that leaves 16.
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Flex, Great work Bredda! Do you think we could start over the thread, leaving out the idiotic discussion about the Lawyers email? I don't understand how something as miniscule can hijack a thread of such wonderful worth and importance to our present and future footballing heroes. The day has finally come! From now on, Jack's bullying of our people on a whole will have to be done in a much wittier fashion. No more third world bullying Mr. Warner. Stop using our football as the laundry for you and your sons' bank accounts around the world. Best of luck to all the players, we are behind you 100% and hope that your case is settled with haste and proper judgement.
:applause: Couldn't have said it better. Spot on dread.
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arwright ... nobody have insight into my question and since I eh know Dwight, I go keep meh mouth shut :-[
hmmm ...
looks like a discussion and speculation as to why a lawyer have a hotmail account has more relevance to this lawsuit discussion than a discussion about people connected to de issue.
:beermug:
As far as i remember, after the initial strike threat made by the Warriors before the St. Vincent match, Dwight was never involved. Same goes with Latapy from the start. To those two, add those that pull their name off the list after the third set of confusion (Edwards, Scotland, Lawrence, Ince and Theobald) and that leaves 16.
Midknight .. thanks
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i asking a serious question and man jus giving me fatigue ..
so other than Yorke not being party to the action and allegedly getting money .. why is he not a party to the claim???
as FLi said, don't you think that's a question best addressed to Dwight Yorke himself? Irrespective as to his reason, our curiousity/concern cannot be that great as to merit accusing the man of selling out his team mates, or to otherwise undermine his integrity. Maybe he weighed the pros and cons of it all and decided to support in ways other than being directly involved in the litigation...we simply don't know.
Hey Mr. Bake and shark, i base my statement on logic bredda, LOGIC. What Pros and Cons you talking bout? Is millions ah dollars we talking about here. MILLIONS! What Con involved in that? Why wouldn't dwight and russell want a piece ah that pie? Why wouldn't they want to get paid for their hard work and leading the team to the World CUP? Don't be a fool, them men is savvy business men bredda. Dwight's rapport has always been one of sound financial decisions. How will he fund those elaborate boat parties, with models and celebrities? Again i aint knocking on Dwight or Russell. But why would they fight a fight that isn't necessarily theirs? LOGIC.
p.s. stop topping yuh bake and shark with prostate gravy before yuh bite into it, it makin yuh a lil too excitable ;)
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As far as i remember, after the initial strike threat made by the Warriors before the St. Vincent match, Dwight was never involved. Same goes with Latapy from the start. To those two, add those that pull their name off the list after the third set of confusion (Edwards, Scotland, Lawrence, Ince and Theobald) and that leaves 16.
Bear in mind that both Latas and Yorke have retired from international play (unless I'm mistaken)...so since they would no longer be representing TnT, they probably were not among the blacklisted players. The only thing they'd be suing for is money...and given their longevity as professionals, it's likely they decided the chicken feed TTFF owe them ent worth fighting up in court for.
...also Pecan, as far as the email thing, it's only one or two men had any quibbles with the lawyers email address, so doh try and confuse de issue.
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to put it to rest most people in the law profession use REGULAR mail and facsimilie, even here in the states. When you filing documents with the court, you dont file it through the internet even here in the states. But that is to show you that some people dont think after they digest alot of info..just blurt out whatever comes out first...and on this board...that is usually a negative comment.
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Flex, Great work Bredda! Do you think we could start over the thread, leaving out the idiotic discussion about the Lawyers email? I don't understand how something as miniscule can hijack a thread of such wonderful worth and importance to our present and future footballing heroes. The day has finally come! From now on, Jack's bullying of our people on a whole will have to be done in a much wittier fashion. No more third world bullying Mr. Warner. Stop using our football as the laundry for you and your sons' bank accounts around the world. Best of luck to all the players, we are behind you 100% and hope that your case is settled with haste and proper judgement.
On kicks here: you know Trinis like shit, so is jez a little shit talk wid de email addy.
Serious ting now: To address your Post SOBRIQUET........best one today :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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Hey Mr. Bake and shark, i base my statement on logic bredda, LOGIC.
Where's the "LOGIC" as you call it? You are basing your position on an assumption, plain and simple...since you have no idea exactly what is at stake, and what decisions went into each player's lack of participation. As I said, you just talking out yuh ass.
What Pros and Cons you talking bout? Is millions ah dollars we talking about here. MILLIONS!
Really...exactly how much money is at stake here...since you better in maths dan me...go ahead and share.
What Con involved in that? Why wouldn't dwight and russell want a piece ah that pie? Why wouldn't they want to get paid for their hard work and leading the team to the World CUP.
Money might be the deciding factor fuh you, but I'm sure neither Yorke nor Latapy hard up fuh money.
Don't be a fool, them men is savvy business men bredda. Dwight's rapport has always been one of sound financial decisions. How will he fund those elaborate boat parties, with models and celebrities? Again i aint knocking on Dwight or Russell.
You flat out accuse the men of taking payments in exchange for not supporting FPATT...then turn around and say that yuh not knocking dem? I can only conclude that either your head is fully esconced up your ass (no other way to explain the shit yuh talking)... or you are unfamiliar with the vagaries of the english language.
Why fight a fight that isn't necessarily yours? LOGIC.
p.s. stop topping yuh bake and shark with prostate gravy before yuh bite into it, it makin yuh a lil too excitable ;)
You have some magic device hooked up to yuh computer that allows for you to measure how "excitable" I am over de internet? You mix wid jackass or what?
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Hey Mr. Bake and shark, i base my statement on logic bredda, LOGIC.
Where's the "LOGIC" as you call it? You are basing your position on an assumption, plain and simple...since you have no idea exactly what is at stake, and what decisions went into each player's lack of participation. As I said, you just talking out yuh ass.
What Pros and Cons you talking bout? Is millions ah dollars we talking about here. MILLIONS!
Really...exactly how much money is at stake here...since you better in maths dan me...go ahead and share.
What Con involved in that? Why wouldn't dwight and russell want a piece ah that pie? Why wouldn't they want to get paid for their hard work and leading the team to the World CUP.
Money might be the deciding factor fuh you, but I'm sure neither Yorke nor Latapy hard up fuh money.
Don't be a fool, them men is savvy business men bredda. Dwight's rapport has always been one of sound financial decisions. How will he fund those elaborate boat parties, with models and celebrities? Again i aint knocking on Dwight or Russell.
You flat out accuse the men of taking payments in exchange for not supporting FPATT...then turn around and say that yuh not knocking dem? I can only conclude that either your head is fully esconced up your ass (no other way to explain the shit yuh talking)... or you are unfamiliar with the vagaries of the english language.
Why fight a fight that isn't necessarily yours? LOGIC.
p.s. stop topping yuh bake and shark with prostate gravy before yuh bite into it, it makin yuh a lil too excitable ;)
You have some magic device hooked up to yuh computer that allows for you to measure how "excitable" I am over de internet? You mix wid jackass or what?
your reply was weak breds. read it again. i done with you, u aint want nutten bredda. take win :)
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your reply was weak breds. read it again. i done with you, u aint want nutten bredda. take win :)
You can't done what yuh never start yuh emptyhead assfly. Focus on your affairs and let Yorke and Latapy handle theirs.
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First ah eh know when I goh get around to reading dat dey legal document....ah never liked reading dem thing....
Ah read de first 5 paragragphs or so and I give up.....so until ah find away to get over resisting readind de whole thing, ah going to take it for granted dat it just stating what we done know just in de Queen's english.
Dat said.....I really, really, really want to hear from Dwight....under all seriousnes......speak mih boy, speak....doh tell mih Jackula tie up yuh tongue.....
Also, Sobriquet.....ah eh goh add nutten else to wha yuh say.....couldn't have said it better my self.... :beermug:
De day finally reach....amen....
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Flex congrats as per usual. Yuh ever tink that Latas and Dwight tired how longggggggg they battling Jackula and co. Them fellas as far as I see just plain tired.
We know Dwight eh sell out other wise he would a go GC
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Let me ask a question, what if the TTFF (TTFA) declare bankruptcy and liquidate all their assets, what then? Will the same ppl be allowed to rename the federation and continue on as sole administrators of T&T football?
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Let me ask a question, what if the TTFF (TTFA) declare bankruptcy and liquidate all their assets, what then? Will the same ppl be allowed to rename the federation and continue on as sole administrators of T&T football?
In the scheme of things...i am a baby....but i think this was done before....anybody more senior could shed light on this?
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What is the expected time line for the next step? Once the TTFF are served papers - is there a time limit before they must respond? Anyone with Trini law knowledge know? (it's usually like 30 days in civil suits in the states) If they don't respond would a default judgement be made against them? What could conceivably happen next in the proceedings?
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Somebody in know give we some insight please about the proceedings, what next, what to expect, what can we do?
I was thinking....if we petition the courts to speed this matter along if we will be successful in getting it through the process more speedily?
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Leh me ask some legal peeps and get back to u all. I cyah beleive it eh hav eno lawyer based in TNT on d site. On the petitioning thing that eh go wuk.
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I read the whole article and only saw below.
[quote author=Flex link=topic=28964.msg329966#msg329966
24. At around the same time as the Player Account was given to the players a different set of accounts appeared on the First Defendant’s web site at www.socawarriorstt.com. This account, ‘the Web Site Account’, is attached hereto and marked “E”.
Maybe I read too quickly and need to read it again.
Good stuff anyway, this is the day we have all been praying for over the years!
Hopefully the players get whats due to them and Camps is forced to roll out from the TTFF after the dust clears.
However we must ensure that he is not replace by another Jackula puppet otherwise the nightmare will still continue!
Watching with interest! 8)
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10. In anticipation of Trinidad & Tobago qualifying for the 2006 Finals, and particularly the commercial benefits that would accrue to the First Defendant if that was to happen, a series of meetings took place. The first meeting was held on the 9th November 2005 at the Crown Plaza Hotel, Wrightson Road, Port of Spain between the Players Committee of the one part and Mr Jack Warner and Mr Richard Groden representing the First Defendant of the other part. The second meeting was held on the 8th January 2006 at the Mandarin Oriental Hotel, London between the Players Committee on the one part and Jack Warner, Richard Groden, Bruce Aanensen (team manager) and Mike Berry (a United Kingdom Football Association Licensed Agent and the agent to a number of the T&T players playing in British Leagues and in another capacity a business adviser and assistant to the First Defendant) representing the First Defendant of the other part. A third meeting was held on the 9th January 2006 at the Hilton Hotel, Dartford, England, and by telephone conference, between the Players Committee of the one part and Bruce Annansen representing the First Defendant of the other part. In these meetings, the Claimants and the First Defendant agreed terms of remuneration for the team in connection with their participation in the 2006 Finals.
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(1) Mike Berry is in an interesting role, is he paid by the TTFF for his services?
(2) Do the players he represents from Socawarriors WC 2006 have any claim to a settlement even though they are not named as claimants?
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Spke to th eMagistrate in th efamily. She said that TTFF have 8 days to respond. If notthen a judgment can b made against them. We know they go claim bankruptcy so they go have tolevy on the bldg. I have no probs with that down to the paper clip we want.
After camps claim TTFF bankrupt leh me see him remain as president. Soif by this we really get rid of scammpops etc betta fete.
I feel this info needs its own thread of course Flex and dem can merge it them large and in charge. No probs with that either
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(1) Mike Berry is in an interesting role, is he paid by the TTFF for his services?
(2) Do the players he represents from Socawarriors WC 2006 have any claim to a settlement even though they are not named as claimants?
TakeNoPrisoners,
have you read this story about Mike Berry (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=27752.msg312583#msg312583)?
and this thread has some info (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=27296.msg306138#msg306138)
and this thread has more info (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=27738.msg312373#msg312373)
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Edit
(1) Mike Berry is in an interesting role, is he paid by the TTFF for his services?
(2) Do the players he represents from Socawarriors WC 2006 have any claim to a settlement even though they are not named as claimants?
TakeNoPrisoners,
have you read this story about Mike Berry (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=27752.msg312583#msg312583)?
and this thread has some info (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=27296.msg306138#msg306138)
and this thread has more info (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=27738.msg312373#msg312373)
Thanks for the info Westcoast.
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Re: Nice to see someone involved with T&T football can beat the rest!!!
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2007, 07:10:34 PM »
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all transfer fees must be declared to the FA. This is a rule brought in to bring transparency to english football.
Basically, agents were paid by clubs to encourage their players to sign. Therefore, the agent got paid by club and player, but the players were not aware of this. Literally, some agents received a brown paper bag full of cash. In one well documented case, an Italian player was signed by an English club and was told that the club would pay the agents fee. The player got a tax bill 18 monthes later for £400,000. He had to pay the tax as a benefit in kind. The agent was paid £1,000,000.
The FA will punish Luton Town. Don't know if they can punish Tomlins, because he has resigned as chairman.
Obviously, a player may wonder if the agent is acting in his best interest if the club is paying the agent an additional secret fee. Maybe the player could have had this extra money. Maybe there was a better deal at another club, but they wouldn't pay the agent a "sweetener".
It would be interesting to hear Carlos's view.
don't forget, Mike Berry was paid by TTFF to attend the world cup.....and his players aren't on the blacklist.
Makes you wonder if they had a private deal with TTFF? Also, wonder if Mike Berry advised them to drop the court case, and if he did, which employer was he working for, the players or TTFF.
You can see why FPATT want to address the issue of agents and maybe provide their own agenty service.
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Is Mr. Scoon brand new to the profession? i.e untouched or unbitten by Jackulas fiscal fangs
Just seems kind of odd to me that a lawyer handling a case of this magnitude would have a hotmail address for business purposes.
Dutty, see what yuh start? a little 'btw' comment leads to a page of discourse
Boy :D...dese beasts eh easy in here when dey start to swarm oui
For the ones who got the wrong impression....the reason I ASKED about Mr Scoon is I hoped he was not a 'rookie' lawyer....as a rookie lawyer going up against Jack and the horde of legal beasts in his corner is no small feat
If you remember he during the FIFA issue last year...Jack seemed to have people on retainer in Chicago, Europe and Trinidad
Everybody know it eh no regular strength socouyant that FPATT challenging
Again, hence the reason ah did AKS ah question....nevertheless Royalian clear up de issue of lawyers and internet domains since de first page...but ah realise some ah allyuh jus love yuh bacchanal enough to push it to 3 pages
so it does go :P
I really hope Mr Scoon and FPATT are sucessfull
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nah nah nah doh try dat
I ent dun wid my mauby and popcorn yet :devil: :devil:
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nah nah nah doh try dat
I ent dun wid my mauby and popcorn yet :devil: :devil:
you eh have ah under 20 game today to go and play ball boy for??.....go to de stadium and get ready
and make sure and wear a sign on yuh back to waste down jack.....yuh go get some air time
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you eh have ah under 20 game today to go and play ball boy for??.....go to de stadium and get ready
and make sure and wear a sign on yuh back to waste down jack.....yuh go get some air time
yeah if I did dat
the onliest air time I would get is when Jack right hand man here in victoria kick me off de site. :devil:
ya goin an watch out fa meh?
I is de one wid de red hat and jersey and black pants eh ;)
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Hi there guys, I'm baaack ;D
well after a long break from the board, I decided to catch up, and checked out the case of players vs. officials. I truly feel the players have a strong case, but are they pleading in the wrong court? isn't there a rule that the litigation should first be made in the court of FIFA??? there's supposed to be an arbitration panel to handle disputes, and that's what jackula has been saying, that they cannot go to a regular high court or cannot go there first ...something like that....
anybody knows???
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Hi there guys, I'm baaack ;D
well after a long break from the board, I decided to catch up, and checked out the case of players vs. officials. I truly feel the players have a strong case, but are they pleading in the wrong court? isn't there a rule that the litigation should first be made in the court of FIFA??? there's supposed to be an arbitration panel to handle disputes, and that's what jackula has been saying, that they cannot go to a regular high court or cannot go there first ...something like that....
anybody knows???
I haven't seen anything in the media where he said anything like that? Could you say where you heard it?
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Hi there guys, I'm baaack ;D
well after a long break from the board, I decided to catch up, and checked out the case of players vs. officials. I truly feel the players have a strong case, but are they pleading in the wrong court? isn't there a rule that the litigation should first be made in the court of FIFA??? there's supposed to be an arbitration panel to handle disputes, and that's what jackula has been saying, that they cannot go to a regular high court or cannot go there first ...something like that....
anybody knows???
The players, via their lawyer, Mike Townley, asked TTFF to attend the FIFA arbitration service. They did not receive a reply. That left legal proceedings as the only available avenue to persue. One can only think that TTFF believed the players would be frightened off by the FIFA regulation concerning non participation in legal action. However, this rule has never been tested to see if it is encroaching on the players human rights and, if so, is not enforceble. Perhaps TTFF were advised not to go to arbitration. If so, that was bad advice because a court, even one in T&T, has more far reaching powers than the arbitration service. The players have attempted to follow FIFA procedure, and therefore it would be difficult for FIFA to penalise the players. In actual fact, FIFA are within their rights to penalise TTFF, as they are the party that refused arbitration and forced the issue into court.
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Niceness FPATT. Good solid legal preparation dey. Jackula and Sampinho both :nailbiting: :nailbiting: in dey boots. .......That's right quaking :rotfl:
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Hi there guys, I'm baaack ;D
well after a long break from the board, I decided to catch up, and checked out the case of players vs. officials. I truly feel the players have a strong case, but are they pleading in the wrong court? isn't there a rule that the litigation should first be made in the court of FIFA??? there's supposed to be an arbitration panel to handle disputes, and that's what jackula has been saying, that they cannot go to a regular high court or cannot go there first ...something like that....
anybody knows???
The players, via their lawyer, Mike Townley, asked TTFF to attend the FIFA arbitration service. They did not receive a reply. That left legal proceedings as the only available avenue to persue. One can only think that TTFF believed the players would be frightened off by the FIFA regulation concerning non participation in legal action. However, this rule has never been tested to see if it is encroaching on the players human rights and, if so, is not enforceble. Perhaps TTFF were advised not to go to arbitration. If so, that was bad advice because a court, even one in T&T, has more far reaching powers than the arbitration service. The players have attempted to follow FIFA procedure, and therefore it would be difficult for FIFA to penalise the players. In actual fact, FIFA are within their rights to penalise TTFF, as they are the party that refused arbitration and forced the issue into court.
Based on the regulations that dcs provided elsewhere I don't think that there is anything that binds the players to arbitration vs. their federation. I believe it more governed FIFA and Federations themselves, rather than the players, but I could be off on that.
Also any FIFA rule compelling the players to arbitration over trial would more be a worker's rights issue than a 'human' rights issue really.
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Well it is very interesting the players did actually request arbitration in CAS...I guess that was when TTFF was blanking the lawyers. Unless they have a plausible reason for that then they put themselves in a weird situation (what new).
Now that they wake up they will likely push for the arbitration. Something should come of this by next week i would think.
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thanks fpatt for the info (are you really a member??)
Best to the players...maybe now the local big wigs will sit down and talk (yeah, right!!!)
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Ok today is 8 days did they respond? Is it time for the court to make a judgment info please. Flex, Tallman all yuh know all yuh betta than CIA, FBI and whatever intelligence agency it have out dey help me out
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ANYONE...... Whats the latest.... What now....
This is like a chess match....
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bump
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Sancho ay on the program saturday that JW et al ask for more time. I hope dey tell them NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Sancho ay on the program saturday that JW et al ask for more time. I hope dey tell them NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
To do what??....Shred all de evidence??....ssssttteeeuuuppppsss.....
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nice to see this thread come back up. let us be as diligent as our wronged heroes. any new news?
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Exactly more time to buy more shredders louddddddddddd steupssssssss
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Lem mah see how jack goin to shread them checks he recieve when he was smiling on the daily gazatte and the amount ah moneys was announce .they will have to show what they did wid all that money .
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You know this is gonna be tied up for months before it even gets in court. It will seem like nothing is happening, but you can bet that behind the scenes there will be a lot of guys trying to figure out who they can blame, and how they can cover their ass.
Be patient, guys. I'm sure that if theres any news, it will be posted here.
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patience is when u have a lil problem we have been stuck with JW too long man reallllllll impatient because we reallllllllllll fedupppppppppp
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You know this is gonna be tied up for months before it even gets in court. It will seem like nothing is happening, but you can bet that behind the scenes there will be a lot of guys trying to figure out who they can blame, and how they can cover their ass.
Be patient, guys. I'm sure that if theres any news, it will be posted here.
:waiting: :waiting: :waiting:
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i cannot believe in the grand scheme of things, this thread is now about a hotmail address. talk about missing the forrest for the tree
I was just about to say the same thing... it is so easy to distract us, that's why jack and other politicians have such an easy time pulling wool over our eyes.
Great post and it will take some time for me to digest all it's contents.
one question though, i thought they're not going ahead with any civil action since they've been to arbitration?
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Takenoprisoners, check here for some updated information on de issue...
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=35552.msg422251#msg422251
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one question though, i thought they're not going ahead with any civil action since they've been to arbitration?
Civil action is on hold pending the outcome of the arbitration...this action was taken prior to the TTFF agreeing to the arbitration hearing.
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Takenoprisoners, check here for some updated information on de issue...
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=35552.msg422251#msg422251
Thanks brownsugar :beermug:
TTFF and their cronies are floating a trial balloon about old players as a way to in effect continue the blacklist. This is not in-keeping with the spirit of the agreement to go to arbitration.
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All yuh remember dis thread dis is where it all began