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Title: Copa America Thread
Post by: elan on July 05, 2007, 02:24:48 PM
Do you think that the T&T team from the Gold Cup would have won group A  (Venezuela, Peru, Uruguay and Bolivia), and advanced to the quarter finals?
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: Deeks on July 05, 2007, 02:28:40 PM
No!!!
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: Israel on July 05, 2007, 02:29:52 PM
I would like u to give me back the last few seconds of my life for reading this thread.
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: Toppa on July 05, 2007, 02:33:04 PM
I would like u to give me back the last few seconds of my life for reading this thread.

lmao

Patriotism is good and what not, but seriously... :D

Doh dig no horrors Elan. Yuh heart in the right place.
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: ballpiyong on July 05, 2007, 02:34:30 PM
Negro is you crazy???? HELLLLLL NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: Tallman on July 05, 2007, 02:35:55 PM
Do you think that the T&T team from the Gold Cup would have won group A  (Venezuela, Peru, Uruguay and Bolivia), and advanced to the quarter finals?

To put it in perspective:
1. In 5 attempts we have never beaten Venezuela, and dey have been steadily on de rise de last few years.
2. We've played Peru twice. De Strike Squad beat dem, but when de Soca Warriors played dem last year, we had to come from behind to equalise.
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: Filho on July 05, 2007, 02:38:00 PM
Do you think that the T&T team from the Gold Cup would have won group A  (Venezuela, Peru, Uruguay and Bolivia), and advanced to the quarter finals?



not only would they have not won the group, they would most likely finish dead last...kinda like they did in an inferior Gold Cup group
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: DeSoWa on July 05, 2007, 02:45:55 PM
Do you think that the T&T team from the Gold Cup would have won group A  (Venezuela, Peru, Uruguay and Bolivia), and advanced to the quarter finals?

Kinda surprise a lot of people replied to this, cause I thought it was a joke  :rotfl:

I mean you are talking about the same team who could not beat USA, El Salvador and Drew with Guatemala? and wondering if they would have come out of a group with Peru and Uraguay?  ;D

Big Up!
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: saga pinto on July 05, 2007, 02:48:38 PM
Negro is you crazy???? HELLLLLL NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's up with the negro thing,plus you know for sure he's a negro,allyuh have to check allyuh self weeeeeeeeeeeeee...............
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: Toppa on July 05, 2007, 02:52:51 PM
Negro is you crazy???? HELLLLLL NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's up with the negro thing,plus you know for sure he's a negro,allyuh have to check allyuh self weeeeeeeeeeeeee...............

 :rotfl: Well yes. Why allyuh turning this noble thread into a pappy show?
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: Andre on July 05, 2007, 02:58:05 PM
HELL 2 DA f**k NO!!!

we would be last if bolivia wasn't there.
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: Filho on July 05, 2007, 02:58:18 PM
elan hadda be taking us for a lil' ride

this one was a little too far fetched
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: arrow on July 05, 2007, 03:04:32 PM
if hardest came back in time - yes
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: Cantona007 on July 05, 2007, 03:16:16 PM
HELL 2 DA f**k NO!!!

we would be last if bolivia wasn't there.
Still loving the avatars.  :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Big up yuhself...

Oh and and the answer is no f'ing way
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: elan on July 05, 2007, 04:09:50 PM
Nah breads I was watching the Tourney and to me this group was this easiest group. I did not say that we would. I asked "do You" think we would have? I just wanted to see what others think and what their reactions would be.

Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: Midknight on July 05, 2007, 04:37:07 PM
No
Niet
Non
No
Nein

and any other non controversial n words u could think of...
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: DeSoWa on July 05, 2007, 04:56:57 PM
No
Niet
Non
No
Nein

and any other non controversial n words u could think of...

Nada
Nahi
Nil

 ;D

Big Up!
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: Organic on July 05, 2007, 05:35:06 PM
Negro is you crazy???? HELLLLLL NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's up with the negro thing,plus you know for sure he's a negro,allyuh have to check allyuh self weeeeeeeeeeeeee...............
so now it bad to say negro...wah does wrong with allyuh at all in here. it have real sensitive men in here wait....i eh knwo if yuh even male right. steups.
dais jus an expression. what yuh implying that if the person not negro he woudl take offence. allyuh does act like allyuh pmsin all de time.

and bout this thread. wasting bandwidth.....
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: kicker on July 05, 2007, 06:33:19 PM
HELL 2 DA f**k NO!!!

we would be last if bolivia wasn't there.

Doh matter who get leff out- we were comin' last. Bolivia play some nice ball and if not for a last minute equalizer by Peru, Bolivia woulda been in the quarters....Everybody in that group was 10 times better than El Salvador....who beat us....

Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: JDB on July 05, 2007, 07:22:45 PM
Nah breads I was watching the Tourney and to me this group was this easiest group. I did not say that we would. I asked "do You" think we would have? I just wanted to see what others think and what their reactions would be.

That is kinda like asking "Do you think that Hitler was unfair to the Jews in WWII"

There could only be one rational answer, so it is not much of a question. That is why men wondering if yuh just trying to waste time.
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: Dutty on July 05, 2007, 08:06:20 PM
Negro is you crazy???? HELLLLLL NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's up with the negro thing,plus you know for sure he's a negro,allyuh have to check allyuh self weeeeeeeeeeeeee...............
so now it bad to say negro...wah does wrong with allyuh at all in here. it have real sensitive men in here wait....i eh knwo if yuh even male right. steups.
dais jus an expression. what yuh implying that if the person not negro he woudl take offence. allyuh does act like allyuh pmsin all de time.

and bout this thread. wasting bandwidth.....

I for one, am offended....henceforth I would prefer to be referred to as the melanin-enhanced-carbon based-life form

Thank you


oh, and as an addendum- Andre has the bestest avatars

Thank you
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: Bitter on July 05, 2007, 08:10:45 PM
Negro is you crazy???? HELLLLLL NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's up with the negro thing,plus you know for sure he's a negro,allyuh have to check allyuh self weeeeeeeeeeeeee...............
so now it bad to say negro...wah does wrong with allyuh at all in here. it have real sensitive men in here wait....i eh knwo if yuh even male right. steups.
dais jus an expression. what yuh implying that if the person not negro he woudl take offence. allyuh does act like allyuh pmsin all de time.

and bout this thread. wasting bandwidth.....

I for one, am offended....henceforth I would prefer to be referred to as the melanin-enhanced-carbon based-life form

Thank you

MECBLF Please!!!
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: banton on July 05, 2007, 08:43:38 PM
we would of win it when pink hippos start havin sex with green zebras in elephant land ;D
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: Fyzoman on July 06, 2007, 12:15:34 AM
Elan, ah was going start ah thread on a similar topic but decided to weigh in on yours. After watching the last 20 minutes in the U-20 Mexico v Portugal game, ah say to mehself, "boy is ah good thing TnT didn't qualify for this U-20 WC." then ah start thinking, could we GC team beat the Mexico U-20? and ah done know the answer is ah big fat no! me eh unpatriotic and i is a die hard fan eh, but star i want to believe the worst Copa America team woulda crucify we, me eh know eh but i find most players (well other than some 'wild man' defenders) on most ah dem teams (the lesser ones) real skillful and like to take on man.
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: RasIred on July 06, 2007, 11:16:28 AM
Do you think that the T&T team from the Gold Cup would have won group A  (Venezuela, Peru, Uruguay and Bolivia), and advanced to the quarter finals?

Tell me the question pop in your head after a bottle of Puncheon and some High Grade.....No offense to the Gold Cup squad...........but no way at all this happening !!!

As a nodder poster but it......hell no negro !!  lol.....Yawls to sensitive....I could also say Hell no Gringo .........for the lighter sahde peoples
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: jr sams on July 06, 2007, 11:54:27 AM
Negro is you crazy???? HELLLLLL NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's up with the negro thing,plus you know for sure he's a negro,allyuh have to check allyuh self weeeeeeeeeeeeee...............
so now it bad to say negro...wah does wrong with allyuh at all in here. it have real sensitive men in here wait....i eh knwo if yuh even male right. steups.
dais jus an expression. what yuh implying that if the person not negro he woudl take offence. allyuh does act like allyuh pmsin all de time.

and bout this thread. wasting bandwidth.....

I for one, am offended....henceforth I would prefer to be referred to as the melanin-enhanced-carbon based-life form

Thank you



oh, and as an addendum- Andre has the bestest avatars

Thank you
  :rotfl: Lawd have mercy...Dutty...how de arse you does come wid these things dred?
Title: Re: Copa America Question
Post by: trinikev on July 06, 2007, 12:16:01 PM
Do you think that the T&T team from the Gold Cup would have won group A  (Venezuela, Peru, Uruguay and Bolivia), and advanced to the quarter finals?


 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on March 11, 2011, 06:09:54 PM
2015 - Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????

I don't know if anyone post this before???

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1616/concacaf/2010/10/06/2153459/report-concacaf-request-entry-into-the-copa-america

The 2015 Copa America could for the first time include the entire American continent, after North American governing body CONCACAF made a formal request to FIFA to be included in the South American tournament.

Under preliminary proposals, six North and Central American teams would join the 10 CONMEBOL members in the cup, which could be renamed the Copa Americas. Currently teams such as Mexico and the United States have participated in the Copa, but only in a highly controversial guest role.

CONCACAF head Chuck Blazer confirmed in an interview with Sports Illustrated that the idea had been considered for a long time in the organization, but that this was the first time it had been officially approved and put forward. The official however also stated that the economic interests of North American sides would also have to be protected.

“Other configurations might lend themselves to being possible,” he said. “Economic parameters would need to be met. The Gold Cup is the main source of revenue to support the youth programs and competitions that we do. If we did [a Copa Americas], we would have to see how it would replace what currently exists.”

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Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Arazi on March 11, 2011, 06:11:43 PM
it makes sense..it's essentially that with US and Mexico playing in it already...
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: frico on March 11, 2011, 07:58:59 PM
I suppose qualifying for that might be just as difficult as the WC or as far as TT is concerned,as difficult as the GC.
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: D.H.W on March 11, 2011, 08:34:03 PM
6 teams , we could make that man  8)
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: FF on March 11, 2011, 09:14:54 PM
I suppose qualifying for that might be just as difficult as the WC or as far as TT is concerned,as difficult as the GC.

We qualify for every Hex since 2001...
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Deeks on March 11, 2011, 11:19:02 PM
Look, if this is implemented  it will be better for us in the long run. We will definitely have to improve to play in the Copa America. Right now we do not know what are TTFF plans for the future.
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Touches on March 12, 2011, 06:41:58 AM
We ent sniffing dat tournament..

and if we reach all we going and do is make dem Latin say.....see why we never invite them before.
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: che on March 12, 2011, 09:17:50 AM
We ent sniffing dat tournament..

and if we reach all we going and do is make dem Latin say.....see why we never invite them before.

Why? because we will win it.  ;)
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: SHOTTA on March 12, 2011, 11:31:56 AM
We ent sniffing dat tournament..

and if we reach all we going and do is make dem Latin say.....see why we never invite them before.

i agree whole heartedly
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Coop's on March 12, 2011, 01:32:17 PM
We ent sniffing dat tournament..

and if we reach all we going and do is make dem Latin say.....see why we never invite them before.

Why? because we will win it.  ;)
     :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: ah like that,nice one.
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Controversial on March 12, 2011, 03:14:24 PM
i think its a great idea, it will raise the standard of concacaf :beermug: and tt football
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Deeks on March 13, 2011, 12:10:14 PM
i think its a great idea, it will raise the standard of concacaf :beermug: and tt football

Could not agree more.
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: AB.Trini on March 13, 2011, 12:32:08 PM
 Will this actually raise our standard of football or will it serve to show how much behind we are? If our standard right now is below Grenada when it comes to  qualifying out of all the Caribbean countries for the Gold Cup and if we cannot get up to standard to  do better in WC qualifying, how will we strive to make  gains in a  more competitive expanded zone?
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: King Deese on March 13, 2011, 12:38:29 PM
I love it but Im wandering what took you so long by all means put your economic proposals on the table and lets get this party started right
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Deeks on March 13, 2011, 03:21:54 PM
Will this actually raise our standard of football or will it serve to show how much behind we are? If our standard right now is below Grenada when it comes to  qualifying out of all the Caribbean countries for the Gold Cup and if we cannot get up to standard to  do better in WC qualifying, how will we strive to make  gains in a  more competitive expanded zone?

At this moment our football is boo! Our footbal is one of peaks and valleys(we in the gutter of the valley now). When that madman get a vaps and straighten out football or leave altogether , then we will start to reach EL Tucuche!!!!!
Title: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Sam on April 06, 2011, 08:09:58 AM
Japan is out of 2011 Copa America, time for us to jump on that.


Mods, feel free to merge... now is a good time to test Otto Pfister....

Japan pulls out of Copa America
sportsillustrated.cnn.com


Japan withdrew from this year's Copa America on Monday, leaving the 12-nation tournament with only 11 teams just three months before it is due to start.

The president of the Japanese Football Association Junji Ogura said the most important thing was for his country to rebuild after the devastating earthquake and tsunami that struck northeast Japan on March 11.

"The priority at this moment is to continue saving lives and rebuilding the country after the earthquake and tsunami," Ogura said after meeting with officials of CONMEBOL, South American soccer's governing body.

CONMEBOL president Nicolas Leoz said he would meet with other continental leaders to discuss inviting a replacement.

CONMEBOL spokesman Nestor Benitez suggested Costa Rica or Canada as possible replacements but said nothing had been decided. "CONMEBOL will make a final decision relying on the consensus of its members," Benitez said.

U.S. Soccer Federation President Sunil Gulati said "it would be next to impossible for us to participate given player availability issues."

The Copa America will be played July 1-24 in Argentina. Both Japan and Mexico had planned to send teams largely made up of youth players to the tournament, with Mexico's top team competing in the Gold Cup - the championship of North America, Central America and the Caribbean, which will be held in June.

Leoz said Japan would be invited to play in the 2015 Copa America, which is to be hosted by Brazil. Japan also played in the 1999 Copa America.

"We are sorry to be pulling out because we recognize that we have advanced in football by being close to South American (teams)," Ogura added.

Copyright 2011 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
Title: Re: Japan is out of 2011 Copa America, time for us to jump on that.
Post by: FF on April 06, 2011, 08:13:02 AM
I hear dey extend an invitation to Spain...

dat go be good! seeing as we still waiting on that Spain/Brazil clash..



Title: Re: Japan is out of 2011 Copa America, time for us to jump on that.
Post by: Socapro on April 06, 2011, 08:25:52 AM
Mods, feel free to merge... now is a good time to test Otto Pfister....

Japan pulls out of Copa America
sportsillustrated.cnn.com


Japan withdrew from this year's Copa America on Monday, leaving the 12-nation tournament with only 11 teams just three months before it is due to start.

The president of the Japanese Football Association Junji Ogura said the most important thing was for his country to rebuild after the devastating earthquake and tsunami that struck northeast Japan on March 11.

"The priority at this moment is to continue saving lives and rebuilding the country after the earthquake and tsunami," Ogura said after meeting with officials of CONMEBOL, South American soccer's governing body.

CONMEBOL president Nicolas Leoz said he would meet with other continental leaders to discuss inviting a replacement.

CONMEBOL spokesman Nestor Benitez suggested Costa Rica or Canada as possible replacements but said nothing had been decided. "CONMEBOL will make a final decision relying on the consensus of its members," Benitez said.

U.S. Soccer Federation President Sunil Gulati said "it would be next to impossible for us to participate given player availability issues."

The Copa America will be played July 1-24 in Argentina. Both Japan and Mexico had planned to send teams largely made up of youth players to the tournament, with Mexico's top team competing in the Gold Cup - the championship of North America, Central America and the Caribbean, which will be held in June.

Leoz said Japan would be invited to play in the 2015 Copa America, which is to be hosted by Brazil. Japan also played in the 1999 Copa America.

"We are sorry to be pulling out because we recognize that we have advanced in football by being close to South American (teams)," Ogura added.

Copyright 2011 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

What happen Sam!! Like yuh want to spoil the man retirement holiday or what?!  8)
Title: Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 29, 2011, 08:58:21 AM
Haven't noticed a thread yet ...

Right off the top ... the Mexican Federation is to be congratulated for its handling of the suspension of the 8 players removed from the squad ... the power of the kryptonite once again ... stills of the scene show women entering the hotel at 03:41:48 and exiting at what looks like 10:10:xx

Aside from that, good on them to be fielding a U-22 squad.

Kryptonite and this tournament seem to be a given ... Chile and Peru had their share of "incidents".

I'm looking forward to seeing what Menezes and Brazil bring to the table. On the ARG side, word has it Tevez will start now. And, after the Gold Cup ... what will Costa Rica do?
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 29, 2011, 10:03:38 AM
Mexico players suspended after female companions raid hotel room
By Tim Sturtridge & Alejandro Pérez
Wednesday, 29 June 2011
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/mexico-players-suspended-after-female-companions-raid-hotel-room-2304306.html

A night of passion has cost eight players their place in the Mexican squad for the Copa América.

Things seemed to be going well for the Mexican under-22 team ahead of the trip to Argentina as they put Ecuador to the sword in their final warm-up match.

The situation turned sour however when the team arrived back at their hotel to find five of the players’ rooms had been raided and $15,000 worth of items stolen.

With no signs of forced entry apparent questions were asked of the staff at the Hotel Quito. After a quick examination of the previous night’s CCTV footage the full story started to unravel.

The cameras showed members of the Mexico squad ushering women into their rooms in the early hours of Saturday morning, the day of the Ecuador fixture.

The squad’s female companions appear to have pocketed keys to the rooms and returned while the team was playing. Among the objects taken were computers, phones and stereo equipment as well as cash.

The room keys were eventually recovered from a dustbin containing a pile of used condoms.

When the facts came to light the Mexican dirty two thirds of a dozen were sent home. The offending players were also fined and banned from representing their country for six months.

The most high profile player to be expelled is Barcelona’s Jonathan dos Santos who was due to link up brother Giovanni of Tottenham Hotspur in the green of Mexico.

Another of the scolded Mexicans, Israel Jimenez of Tigres, issued an apology on his Twitter account and hoped the ordeal would “serve as experience.”

In an effort to move on from the incident Mexico have already revealed the eight players who will replace those sent home. Héctor Gonzalez Iñarritu of the Mexican FA does however feel there are issues left to address.

“The fact remains that a robbery took place and we will be encourage our lawyers to recover the stolen items.”

Iñarritu’s brother Alejandro is a film director who has worked alongside Brad Pitt and Benicio del Toro in his movies Babel and 21 Grams. After this robbery and the Mexican squad’s doping scandal there will be plenty of new script ideas for the family to discuss over the dinner table
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on June 30, 2011, 07:44:19 PM
I take it we will be able to catch all the matches on the Spanish channels? Is it on any other channels anybody know?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on June 30, 2011, 08:18:26 PM
I take it we will be able to catch all the matches on the Spanish channels? Is it on any other channels anybody know?

Univision has the rights so I think it's only on the Spanish channels - would be nice if someone could find a TV schedule and post it.  I've been looking... no luck yet. 
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on June 30, 2011, 08:19:41 PM
I take it we will be able to catch all the matches on the Spanish channels? Is it on any other channels anybody know?

Univision has the rights so I think it's only on the Spanish channels - would be nice if someone could find a TV schedule and post it.  I've been looking... no luck yet. 


 :beermug:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: pops on June 30, 2011, 08:31:55 PM
it is showin on youtube for free
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on June 30, 2011, 08:42:04 PM
I take it we will be able to catch all the matches on the Spanish channels? Is it on any other channels anybody know?

Univision has the rights so I think it's only on the Spanish channels - would be nice if someone could find a TV schedule and post it.  I've been looking... no luck yet. 

http://futbol.univision.com/horarios-por-tv/
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Andre on June 30, 2011, 09:23:42 PM
full schedule in ingles!

http://footballfashion.org/wordpress/2011/06/30/copa-america-2011-schedule-and-u-s-broadcast-listings/
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 01, 2011, 08:03:14 AM
full schedule in ingles!

http://footballfashion.org/wordpress/2011/06/30/copa-america-2011-schedule-and-u-s-broadcast-listings/

Bless...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 01, 2011, 09:32:21 AM
 
Copa America preview

Copa comes home

July 1, 2011

By Jon Carter
 
In 1910, Argentina invited Uruguay and Chile to compete in a three-team tournament called the Copa Centenario Revolucion de Mayo. The seeds were sown for a larger continental competition and in 1916 Argentina hosted what is considered to be the inaugural South American Championship of Nations.
After a name change to 'Copa America' in 1975 and the inclusion of all ten CONMEBOL nations, football's oldest continental tournament is now in its 43rd year and returns to Argentina this year with Brazil looking to lift the trophy for the third time in succession - a feat only ever achieved by Argentina themselves between 1945 and 1947.


Here, ESPNsoccernet takes a look at each of the teams as they prepare for the start of the competition on July 1.

 GROUP A
Argentina
Coach: Sergio Batista
Captain: Javier Mascherano
Copa America best: Winners (14)
It has been a long time since Argentina last lifted a major title - 18 years to be precise. Now given the chance to break their duck on home soil, La Albiceleste would become the outright leaders in Copa America history if they were to pick up the title again. With Maradona's efforts at the World Cup behind them, Batista intends to get his side to play like Barcelona to get the best out of World Player of the Year Lionel Messi and he has one of the competition's most talented squads at his disposal.
One to Watch: Sergio Aguero. With Messi hogging the limelight, Aguero may not get much of a chance to shine, however as he is currently seeking a move away from Atletico Madrid, he will be keen to impress.
Prediction: Winners.
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Bolivia
Coach: Gustavo Quinteros
Captain: Ronald Raldes
Copa America best: Winners (1)
Their ultimately unsuccessful 2010 World Cup qualifying campaign saw Bolivia dominate at home, but when outside the heights of La Paz, the team struggle. They have only advanced from the group stage twice in the past 30 years although there are hopes that Quinteros' flexible 4-2-3-1 formation will provide them with an edge when they take on Costa Rica in what will surely be the battle to avoid last place in Group A.
One to Watch: Marcelo Martins: A tireless work ethic, coupled with a good eye for goal, has endeared the Shakhtar striker to the fans and he is seen as a replacement for the recently retired Joaquin Botero.
Prediction: Group Stage
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Colombia
Coach: Hernan Dario Gomez
Captain: Mario Yepes
Copa America best: Winners (1)
While FC Porto's pair of Falcao and Freddy Guarin provide hope, Colombia are the not the force of old and did not impress in the 2007 version of the Copa, when they went out in the group stage. A 4-1-4-1 formation hints that defence will be the priority and that will limit their ability to win games, especially as they are still searching for a creative midfielder in the mould of Carlos Valderrama to help unlock an opposition backline.
One to Watch: Cristian Zapata: While Falcao takes the headlines up front, the powerful Zapata keeps things tight at the back and is reportedly close to a move to Liverpool.
Prediction: Quarter-finals
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Costa Rica
Coach: Ricardo La Volpe
Captain: Randall Brenes
Copa America best: Quarter-finals (2)
Replacing Japan at the last minute as special guests for the tournament, Costa Rica are keen to banish the memory of their disappointing Gold Cup campaign last month. The side lost to Uruguay over a two-legged play-off for the final spot at the 2010 World Cup, but have had little to shout about on the international scene and will be under pressure as they have brought what is in essentially an Under-23 team to Argentina. In need of a lift, La Volpe's skills as a man-manager will be tested to the limit.
One to Watch: Cesar Elizondo: Bryan Ruiz's absence means a lot of the focus has shifted on to the young Elizondo, who needs to improve his decision making, but provided a glimpse of his talent with a loan spell at Perez Zeledon last season.
Prediction: Group Stage
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•  GROUP B
Brazil


Coach: Mano Menezes
Captain: Lucio
Copa America best: Winners (8)
With the chance to win their fifth Copa America in six editions, Brazil are keen to tighten their stranglehold on the competition, but have never won it on Argentine soil. With defensive football proving unpopular under Dunga, Menezes promised to attack when put in charge after the World Cup but the counter-attacking style has failed to win over the fans thus far. In Neymar, they have potentially the best player in the competition, but Brazil may suffer from the enormous expectation that is (and always has been) upon them.
One to Watch: Ganso: The Santos midfielder has been likened to fellow countryman Kaka and is set to move to Italy this summer, but his price may rise with a commanding performance in the tournament if he can step out from the shadow of club team-mate Neymar.
Prediction: Finalists
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Ecuador
Coach: Reinaldo Rueda
Captain: Walter Ayoví
Copa America best: Semi-finals (1)
Impressive performances in getting to both the 2002 and 2006 World Cups have ensured Ecuador are back in the spotlight, however, their inability to get past the group stage of the Copa America in their previous four attempts proves they have a lot left to do. Rueda's 4-4-2 formation is solid, but the fans in Ecuador have labelled him the 'King of Draws' and he was booed after the friendly match with Mexico. The Venezuela match may be the key to progression for them.
One to Watch: Antonio Valencia: The only Ecuadorian to win the Premier League and play in a Champions League final, Valencia has been on top of his game since returning from a bad leg break against Rangers and will be key down the wings with his pace and trickery.
Prediction: Quarter-finals
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Paraguay
Coach: Gerardo Martino
Captain: Justo Villar
Copa America best: Winners (2)
A nation on the rise after an impressive showing at the 2010 World Cup finals, it has still been 20 years since they featured in the semi-finals of the Copa America. Coach Martino will leave his role after the competition, but will detail his players with bringing a high-tempo, aggressive game to their opponents, while the generation of players nearing the end of their international careers are motivated by the prospect of building on their recent successes in Argentina.
One to Watch: Roque Santa Cruz: The striker, who has not impressed either at Man City or on loan at Blackburn of late, still finds himself in a central role for his country and he is just one short of Paraguay's all-time leading scorer Jose Cardozo.
Prediction: Quarter-finals
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Venezuela
Coach: Cesar Farias
Captain: Juan Arango
Copa America best: Quarter-finals (2)
The side have only ever won two games at the Copa America, but there has been a recent upturn in their fortunes on the continent as they were within touching distance of the World Cup after a decent qualifying campaign. No longer the whipping boys, Venezuela have something to prove and on the back of Farías' combination of open passing and tireless work ethic - with Borussia Mönchengladbach's Arango as the creative hub - there is a lot of optimism in the country that the young squad could impress.
One to Watch: Yohandry Orozco: The Wolfsburg midfielder was one of the best players at the South American Under-20 Championships earlier this year and is a born leader who looks comfortable in the spotlight; more is expected from him.
Prediction: Group Stage
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•  GROUP C
Chile

GettyImagesChile's Alexis Sanchez is attracting attention.
Coach: Claudio Borghi
Captain: Claudio Bravo
Copa America best: Finalists (4)
Despite Marcelo Bielsa's resignation, Chile's fortunes are on the up after a World Cup campaign that saw them win over a lot of neutral supporters. Playing attractive, attacking football with the pace and skills of Alexis Sanchez and Matias Fernandez on show in a high-tempo approach, Borghi could bring something different with a 3-4-1-2 or 3-5-2. He will also have to do something about the defensive issues surrounding the side if they are to repeat their successes in South Africa.
One to Watch: Alexis Sanchez: The man at the centre of a bidding war between Europe's elite clubs must justify the enormous price tag placed upon him, but with pace, dribbling skills and a good finishing touch, he may well do so.
Prediction: Semi-finals.
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Mexico
Coach: Jose Manuel de la Torre
Captain: Giovani dos Santos
Copa America best: Finalists (2)
Much like their Gold Cup campaign was disrupted after five players were sent home for failing drugs tests, Mexico's Copa could not have started worse as eight players were withdrawn from the squad after an alleged sex scandal three days before the competition started. The Mexican fans can take heart that their side overcame the odds to beat the USA in the Gold Cup final, but without some of their big named stars such as Javier Hernandez and Rafael Marquez, De la Torre's side could struggle.
One to Watch: Giovani dos Santos. With the rest of his senior team-mates suspended, the Tottenham winger will take centre-stage in the Copa after a starring role in the Gold Cup; perhaps to earn himself a move elsewhere.
Prediction: Quarter-finals.
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Peru
Coach: Sergio Markarian
Captain: Walter Vilchez
Copa America best: Winners (2)
The worst team on the continent in 2010 World Cup qualifying, Peru's fall has not been graceful as a host of internal problems have provided the side with an unwelcome distraction from their on-pitch focus. To make matters worse ahead of their Copa campaign, injuries have robbed the squad of key strike duo captain Claudio Pizarro and Jefferson Farfan. New coach Markarian has made them hard to beat - as they have conceded just three goals in the nine games of his reign - but there are still some demons to lay to rest.
One to Watch: Paolo Guerrero: With some of the star players watching from the stands, Guerrero must step into the breach and, after a six-match ban in 2008, he has a lot to prove.
Prediction: Group Stage.
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Uruguay
Coach: Oscar Tabarez
Captain: Diego Lugano
Copa America best: Winners (14)
Four years ago in the opening game of the last Copa America, Uruguay lost 3-0 to Peru, although they regrouped to make it to the semi-finals. After sealing their progress to the 2010 World Cup via a play-off, Tabárez's underdogs went on to become one of the most memorable teams in South Africa as they went all the way to the last four - albeit with the help of Luis Suarez's hand against Ghana. They have not won the Copa since 1995 but, with players like Diego Forlan, Luis Suarez and Diego Godin, are now in a position to challenge at the very top again and bring back memories of a time when they were champions in six of the first nine editions.
One to Watch: Edison Cavani: Valued by his club, Napoli, at €100 million, the striker is one of the Europe's most in-form players. Tall and strong, he has a commanding presence and defenders will need to pay him a lot of respect.
Prediction: Semi-finals.
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Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 01, 2011, 02:49:34 PM
I heard univisiondeportes.com will be streaming.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 01, 2011, 04:05:49 PM
How come they eh mention Vargas from Peru, he plays for Fiorentina, that man have a sick left foot and is one of the best left sided midfielders out of South America.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 01, 2011, 04:58:08 PM
Wonder how it will play out if Brazil cut Argentina's arse in the finals? Ah would luv it!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 01, 2011, 05:04:04 PM
live feeds

http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=121507&part=sports
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dumplingdinho on July 01, 2011, 05:28:04 PM
Brazil all the way.  Looking forward to see how Ganso and Neymar handle competitive games for Brazil.  I think Argentina is the team to beat and Colombia is a dark hose. Uruguay is a serious contender as well.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 01, 2011, 06:16:42 PM
Wonder how it will play out if Brazil cut Argentina's arse in the finals? Ah would luv it!
Again?

I go need a 12 step program just now. I getting a football fix every 6 hours or so...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 01, 2011, 06:47:02 PM
Wonder how it will play out if Brazil cut Argentina's arse in the finals? Ah would luv it!
Again?

I go need a 12 step program just now. I getting a football fix every 6 hours or so...

Yeah boy, when football season ended I was wondering what football there will be to watch until leagues come back. Had no idea there would be all these tournaments rolling out. This is why this the best sport in the world-always a game to watch! I just hope some of these players get good rest before they return to their respective leagues!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 01, 2011, 06:54:27 PM
The center of that field look like they paint it green.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 01, 2011, 07:05:09 PM
This game already making me miss the Women's World Cup...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 01, 2011, 07:08:26 PM
ent !
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 01, 2011, 07:26:33 PM
Anybody else on Argentina making plays besides Messi?  Watch Bolivia buss a goal on dem!
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Post by: Bitter on July 01, 2011, 07:38:59 PM
 :sleepy: :sleepy:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 01, 2011, 07:41:46 PM
:sleepy: :sleepy:

No 12 step needed!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 01, 2011, 07:49:02 PM
Wonder how it will play out if Brazil cut Argentina's arse in the finals? Ah would luv it!
Again?

I go need a 12 step program just now. I getting a football fix every 6 hours or so...

Yeah boy, when football season ended I was wondering what football there will be to watch until leagues come back. Had no idea there would be all these tournaments rolling out. This is why this the best sport in the world-always a game to watch! I just hope some of these players get good rest before they return to their respective leagues!

FIFA want total dominance over the sports airwaves.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 01, 2011, 08:00:25 PM
Fire Maradona Now!!!!!

wait... ::)
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Post by: D.H.W on July 01, 2011, 08:00:37 PM
Lol Bolivia score , game dead dead dead , where my french babes and them, them women spoil me
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 01, 2011, 08:08:25 PM
That fella on the post need a bull pistle!

Who was that? Banega?

Edit: Lavezzi need a bull pistle too! yuh run the length of the field, at least make sure the cross stay in.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 01, 2011, 08:18:02 PM
Dat damn striker useless!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 01, 2011, 08:19:01 PM
This 2nd half seems much better. I think everybody change they shoes.
The tackling by the Bolivian back line has been excellent.

Good work by the keeper there on a Bolivian one-on-one.  Argentina going and collect a next goal just now.

Tevez doing anything in this 2nd half?
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Post by: giggsy11 on July 01, 2011, 08:23:02 PM
Bolivia's number 16 in the back is a borse defender! He taking no prisioners!
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Post by: Bitter on July 01, 2011, 08:27:48 PM
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 01, 2011, 08:28:26 PM
aaaaaaaazzzzzzoooooooooooo!!!!!


Coach looking like a genius now.
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Post by: giggsy11 on July 01, 2011, 08:28:43 PM
Deadly! He rell rockin dat Mohawk to!
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Post by: mukumsplau on July 01, 2011, 08:29:50 PM
my player..
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Post by: Peong on July 01, 2011, 09:00:11 PM
That is a special goal.  Aguero's was good too haha....
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: jai john on July 01, 2011, 09:04:59 PM
I dont think we winning anything this year ...I does support Argentina ..real bad ...but after what I just saw ...we eh winning nutten ! No defense !! we are hopeless in defense. Since my feed was sticking it was easy to observe positional plays in different situations ....argentina could dominate and still lose ...just about every attack could score on dem !
If they call me I ready to go and help now yes ..because they really have to improve 200% to have any chance of getting to the final. The central defenders are everywhere else but in  central defense .... at this rate a player like  Forlan could score a hattrick against them ...
The attack was very uni dimensional ....it was predictable and any defense could smother it. If Pastore does not come in next game ..then I know we eh serious ...everything is Messi and it was only after " Kun " and Di maria came on that the attack looked threatening ...
Changes to come .....or this coach gone !
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 02, 2011, 05:41:44 AM
I dont think we winning anything this year ...I does support Argentina ..real bad ...but after what I just saw ...we eh winning nutten ! No defense !! we are hopeless in defense. Since my feed was sticking it was easy to observe positional plays in different situations ....argentina could dominate and still lose ...just about every attack could score on dem !
If they call me I ready to go and help now yes ..because they really have to improve 200% to have any chance of getting to the final. The central defenders are everywhere else but in  central defense .... at this rate a player like  Forlan could score a hattrick against them ...
The attack was very uni dimensional ....it was predictable and any defense could smother it. If Pastore does not come in next game ..then I know we eh serious ...everything is Messi and it was only after " Kun " and Di maria came on that the attack looked threatening ...
Changes to come .....or this coach gone !

Jai John they have the tools to turn around the team. Messi have to come way too deep to get the ball. Most times he picking up in his own half or near the center circle. That have to be solved. Expect De Maria to probably play ahead of Lavezzi next game.
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Post by: Mango Chow! on July 02, 2011, 07:37:57 AM
Argentina, BRAZIL AND Uruguay. (in alphabetical order). Dem is the teams go be spearheading this tournament and should be among the last 4 left standing. 

Wonder how it will play out if Brazil cut Argentina's arse in the finals? Ah would luv it!
Again?

I go need a 12 step program just now. I getting a football fix every 6 hours or so...

Yeah boy, when football season ended I was wondering what football there will be to watch until leagues come back. Had no idea there would be all these tournaments rolling out. This is why this the best sport in the world-always a game to watch! I just hope some of these players get good rest before they return to their respective leagues!

  This has to be one of the best "off seasons" for football fans...the last time the stars aligned to have all the tournaments was in '07....but I think the growth in interest, in the youth tournaments in particular, could be what is making it so exciting for us. It woulda be nice to go Mexico fuh de U-17.....too bad no games was playin' in Cancun  >:(
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 02, 2011, 09:18:11 AM
I think Argentina's downfall will be their midfield. Besides Messi they lack any real creativity in that area.
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Post by: giggsy11 on July 02, 2011, 10:06:14 AM
Daily Mail Uk

Copa America 2011: What we learned from Argentina's debut flop against Bolivia
Hosts Argentina kicked off the Copa America as ridiculously short-priced favourites to win the competition – but came unstuck in the opener against a Bolivia side who defied their billing as the competition's worst team.
In La Plata, the side built around Lionel Messi went behind to a 47th-minute goal by Edivaldo Rojas before clinching a point with a sublime equaliser by substitute Sergio Aguero.
Here are some lessons from the opening game

ARGENTINA ARE NOT BARCELONA
If it were easy to emulate Barcelona's immensely successful game, everyone would be at it. In the ongoing battle to get the best out of Lionel Messi in an albiceleste shirt, boss Sergio Batista has tried as far as possible to replicate the role that the No 10 enjoys with the European champions.

It started well as Messi got into his rhythm as a drifting, false centre forward, but the weakness of the supporting cast was soon apparent. Attacking partners Carlos Tevez and Ezequiel Lavezzi played too narrow, making it easy for Bolivia to squeeze the space Messi was playing in, which was compounded because full backs Javier Zanetti and Marcos Rojo failed to get forward often enough to stretch the game in the way Dani Alves and Eric Abidal do so well at the Nou Camp.

In midfield, too, Javier Mascherano was supposed to be playing the Sergio Busquets role, with Esteban Cambiasso and Ever Banega as the Xavi and Iniesta of the piece. Unfortunately all three of Argentina's midfielders looked instinctively too cautious and the pass-and-move triangles which Barca create were few and far between.
Argentina were much better when Angel di Maria replaced Cambiasso at half-time and flirted with Real Madrid's 4-2-3-1 system. Di Maria gave them natural width down the left even if Lavezzi couldn't replicate it down the right. But Messi, tightly marked, became lost in the change of formation as he fell too deep in central areas to try to make an impact, and Tevez proved ineffective when shifted to his favoured centre forward position.

PERHAPS BATISTA WAS WRONG TO CAVE IN ON TEVEZ
The boss spent the weeks leading up to his Copa America squad announcement making it clear he had no intention of picking the Manchester City striker.
With a wealth of attacking talent, the reasoning was that Messi was his first-choice central striker, Gonzalo Higuain was his stand-in, the wingers were Di Maria and Lavezzi, and his super subs would be Aguero and Diego Milito.

The trouble is that all-action Tevez is idolised in Argentina, meaning the fans, media and a certain Diego Maradona all put Batista under huge pressure to think again. One Buenos Aires newspaper poll showed more fans wanted Tevez in the squad than Messi and El Apache's popularity could be seen by one prominent banner in La Plata which read: 'Tevez + 10'.

The 27-year-old started well, chasing balls in the left channel, but rarely looked as though he would genuinely threaten the goal, disappointingly so when moved more centrally in the second half. His place must be under threat for Wednesday's game against Colombia – if Batista dare make the change.
There are question marks over the Argentina defence, who looked disorganised, with the inexperienced Spartak Moscow left back Rojo seeming particularly lost.
Batista also failed to get the balance right in midfield, where there was plenty of grit but little creativity in a game that Palermo's Javier Pastore must have been itching to be part of.

But the quality of Argentina's reserve attacking arsenal is why many are tipping them to pick up a record 15th title on July 24. Di Maria will have wondered why he has lost his place to Tevez and the former Benfica winger made the difference after coming on at half-time.
He also played the high-quality cross from the left which led to the spectacular equaliser, as Nicolas Burdisso got forward to chest it towards Aguero, who unleashed a peach of a volley into the roof of Bolivia's goal. It was the kind of strike we'll be expecting more of in July's celebration of South American football.

HAVING A RINGER HELPS
Edvaldo Rojas Hermoza, who goes by a rather Brazilian nickname Edivaldo, grew up dreaming of wearing the shirt made legend by Pele. An invisible career in the country of his birth followed by a move to modest Portuguese side Naval meant that was never going to happen, but he ended up as Bolivia's star man and goalscorer on Friday night.

Edivaldo was born in Mato Grosso, western Brazil, to a Brazilian father and Bolivian mother and got a call out of the blue to join up with La Verde earlier this year. After making his international debut in April, the 25-year-old received official migration papers and approval to represent Bolivia at the Copa only last month.
Former Brazil Under 20 player Marcelo Moreno (No 9) leads the celebrations after Edivaldo (not pictured) scores Bolivia's surprise opener in La Plata
His first international goal came with a huge slice of good fortune as he flicked it rather tamely towards the

Argentina goal, only for Banega to miscontrol and send it past keeper Sergio Romero. Nevertheless, what a great start for a forward who scored just four goals in 29 league appearances as Naval were relegated plumb last from the Portuguese top flight last season.
Edivaldo can look across the forward line to Marcelo Moreno Martins, the Shakhtar Donetsk strker who had a loan spell at Wigan. Moreno was born in Bolivia to a Brazilian dad and Bolivian mother, but had his breakthrough in his paternal country, making his name with Cruzeiro and turning out for Brazil's Under 20s before switching international allegiances. Bolivia's pair are not alone, as we'll come back to over the tournament.

THERE'S A CONTINENTAL SHIFT GOING ON
After years of being moved around, the Copa America has settled into a pattern of taking place in the year after the World Cup, which seems perfect before heading into the marathon qualifying campaign for the next global finals. It also encourages a certain amount of unpredictability as teams go into the competition off the back of a year with no competitive fixtures, often with new managers and a new cycle of players.
It makes it difficult to judge where teams are at going into the tournament, with, for example, the clear favourites Argentina and Brazil both suffering mixed displays in friendlies over the last 12 months.

Nine of the 12 teams have appointed new bosses since the last World Cup or qualifying campaign finished, with just Paraguay's Gerardo Martino and Uruguay's Oscar Washington Tabarez staying in their posts since the 2007 Copa America. It's no surprise that Paraguay and Uruguay are two of the most settled and organised sides in South America, whereas there are doubts surrounding Chile, despite their impressive showing at South Africa 2010.
Claudio Borghi stepped in when popular Chile boss Marcelo Bielsa quit acrimoniously in February, but two wins and two draws for the new man in charge is promising ahead of their Group C bow against Mexico on Monday.

DON'T PANIC!
For Messi and friends, the front pages do not make good reading in Buenos Aires this morning. A draw against Bolivia can never be dressed up well for Argentina. In 11 previous fixtures on home soil, Argentina had never recorded anything less than a win against the Andean nation. Yes, Diego Maradona somehow contrived to lose 6-1 at altitude in La Paz in the last meeting two years ago, but in La Plata is was supposed to be a party for the hosts.

The key message, however, must be to keep calm. Argentina are in a group they should win – alongside Colombia and Costa Rica – and the forgiving 12-team format means third place would even usually be enough to make the quarter-finals.
I was Puerto Ordaz four years ago when Brazil lost their opening game of the Copa America against Mexico and livid journalists berated Dunga. The same boss went on to lift the trophy three weeks later and there is no reason why Batista can't do the same. If he learns from this...

Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: dinho on July 02, 2011, 11:36:55 AM
What a goal by Kun Aguero.. The cross, the chest pass, then the one time stinging volley..

Only the first game of the tourney but it will take some goal to beat that as goal of the tournament.

Lavezzi cyah start again this Copa. He look like he was trying too hard finally getting his chance to start for Argentina. I rate him highly but i think he blew his chance there.

Bolivia fight the game hard, the back 4 especially and the tall man ploughing lone furrows up was their stand out players for me.

Next game, Di Maria, Kun and Pastore hadda start.

Good game to kick off the Copa.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Peong on July 02, 2011, 12:51:19 PM
I watchin Colombia vs Costa Rica on Univision.
Nothing happen yet.

Costa Rica had a man sent off for a dangerous stamp.
Rodallega just came on for Colombia.

Goal Colombia!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Blue on July 03, 2011, 10:53:13 AM
Brazil vs Venezuela in a few hours...

Probable Brazil lineup:

Julio Cesar

Danny Alves
Lucio
Thiago Silva
Andre Santos

Lucas
Ramires
Ganso


Neymar
Pato
Robinho


To me, that side have a small man feel to it, no real size in midfield or attack. This match might not be the real test, but I have a feeling this Brazil team may not be de real deal yet. Thankfully dey eh haf 2 play Argentina for a while.

I'm interested 2 see how Ganso does, seeing as he only has one cap thus far and would only have joined up wid de rest of de team after the Libertadores final...he has a big role to play in this team, wid no other creativity in midfield.

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Post by: Jah Gol on July 03, 2011, 12:06:32 PM
Don't sleep on Ganso at all. He real bad.
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Post by: Blue on July 03, 2011, 12:14:27 PM
Don't sleep on Ganso at all. He real bad.

..which is kind of a blanket statement for most young up and coming Brazilians, but I wonder where most people have gotten dat assessment from, seeing as he still playin in Brazil (which most people dont watch) and was injured for most of last season anyway and a good chunk of this one.

not sayin he eh good, but i've only seen him playing a few times...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Mango Chow! on July 03, 2011, 12:17:19 PM
Don't sleep on Ganso at all. He real bad.

..which is kind of a blanket statement for most young up and coming Brazilians, but I wonder where most people have gotten dat assessment from, seeing as he still playin in Brazil (which most people dont watch) and was injured for most of last season anyway and a good chunk of this one.

not sayin he eh good, but i've only seen him playing a few times...

   Word of mouth is a helluva thing.  I knew who Russell Latapy was I feared how good he was before I ever saw him play or played against him.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Jah Gol on July 03, 2011, 12:36:40 PM
Don't sleep on Ganso at all. He real bad.

..which is kind of a blanket statement for most young up and coming Brazilians, but I wonder where most people have gotten dat assessment from, seeing as he still playin in Brazil (which most people dont watch) and was injured for most of last season anyway and a good chunk of this one.

not sayin he eh good, but i've only seen him playing a few times...
I like his control, composure, vision and passing. Well advanced for a player that age .
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Blue on July 03, 2011, 01:08:13 PM
Don't sleep on Ganso at all. He real bad.

..which is kind of a blanket statement for most young up and coming Brazilians, but I wonder where most people have gotten dat assessment from, seeing as he still playin in Brazil (which most people dont watch) and was injured for most of last season anyway and a good chunk of this one.

not sayin he eh good, but i've only seen him playing a few times...
I like his control, composure, vision and passing. Well advanced for a player that age .

well he is 21, same as Pato, so he eh all dat young...but anyway, I find he looks good too, just need 2 see him a few more times to draw a proper conclusion (and I doubt I am the only one).
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 03, 2011, 01:09:58 PM
Robinho look like he has been using James Brown's hairdresser!
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Post by: Blue on July 03, 2011, 01:11:01 PM
Robinho look like he has been using James Brown's hairdresser!

every baller in Brazil has dat hairstyle nowadays lol
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 03, 2011, 01:11:14 PM
Good tuh see a healthy Pato! Hope he stars in this tournament!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Blue on July 03, 2011, 01:14:56 PM
Good tuh see a healthy Pato! Hope he stars in this tournament!

I expect him 2 do well here too
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: richpy on July 03, 2011, 01:15:40 PM
Look at day piece of ball control frm pato! Same post WC side except Lucio in for David Luis. They looking crisp so far.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: 100% Barataria on July 03, 2011, 01:17:12 PM
Robinho look like he has been using James Brown's hairdresser!

every baller in Brazil has dat hairstyle nowadays lol

mohawk crew
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: MEP on July 03, 2011, 01:18:04 PM
Robinho look like he has been using James Brown's hairdresser!
boy I jes about to say de same ting...I swear he singing doo wop
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 03, 2011, 01:28:31 PM
i hope they play better than how they hair looking
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 03, 2011, 01:33:13 PM
When allyuh go Brazil for 2014 allyuh go have to get the same styles so they doh mark you as a tourist.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 03, 2011, 01:35:19 PM
wait nah alyuh getting this feed? i seeing it live on youtube , just found it , spanish and english commentary to choose from

http://www.youtube.com/user/CopaAmerica

Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: richpy on July 03, 2011, 01:45:23 PM
Neymar ain't bet he could beat nuh.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 03, 2011, 01:46:45 PM
But Venezuela well come far with dey football. By now dey would have collected 4 or 5 and dey attacking too. Nice defending!
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Post by: Peong on July 03, 2011, 01:55:45 PM
So is Neymar's hairdresser working for the whole team now?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 03, 2011, 02:05:23 PM
You see ESPN? That is how you analyze a game at half time.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 03, 2011, 02:10:57 PM
You see ESPN? That is how you analyze a game at half time.


With ESPN it stopped being about the sport and more about the show! Plus dey catering to people/fans who don't really know any better.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 03, 2011, 02:15:30 PM
You see ESPN? That is how you analyze a game at half time.


With ESPN it stopped being about the sport and more about the show! Plus dey catering to people/fans who don't really know any better.

They doing everyone a disservice. The u17 WC even worse, them does talk about champions league and the transfer market before they tell you why the score in the game is 2-0.

I think during the game, if you going to have a colour commentator, they should be able to provide some insight, not tell me what xyz should have done, or what you would do. Efan Ekoku does this perfectly. 1/2 time, I expect more in-depth analysis, this is where you should hear about what working and not working, and what should be done to change it.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 03, 2011, 02:24:23 PM
You see ESPN? That is how you analyze a game at half time.


With ESPN it stopped being about the sport and more about the show! Plus dey catering to people/fans who don't really know any better.

They doing everyone a disservice. The u17 WC even worse, them does talk about champions league and the transfer market before they tell you why the score in the game is 2-0.

I think during the game, if you going to have a colour commentator, they should be able to provide some insight, not tell me what xyz should have done, or what you would do. Efan Ekoku does this perfectly. 1/2 time, I expect more in-depth analysis, this is where you should hear about what working and not working, and what should be done to change it.

The best thing they did for the last World Cup was rent some foreign talent like Martinez, Guillet, Andy Gray ect. People who wasn't into talking shit or talking for talkin sakes. yeah we still dealt with the ex US players but al least it wasnt a steady diet of them and their shit. The only American commentator who can hold his own is Christopher Sullivan on FSC.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 03, 2011, 02:30:04 PM
lol like d brazil men team rusty too
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 03, 2011, 02:31:21 PM
lol like d brazil men team rusty too


The best today might turn out to be the under 17 side who playing later today. We getting a triple dose of Brazilain national sides today!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: 100% Barataria on July 03, 2011, 02:38:17 PM
The only American commentator who can hold his own is Christopher Sullivan on FSC.

well said Giggsy, been sayin dis fuh years
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 03, 2011, 02:46:13 PM
Any time Brasil have two defensive midfileders like Ramires and Lucas in their mildfield you know they will be short on creativity in that area of the field. I don't think they need two of the same on the field.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 03, 2011, 02:52:47 PM
The only American commentator who can hold his own is Christopher Sullivan on FSC.

well said Giggsy, been sayin dis fuh years

Yeh, I really respect that fella. He does rell study football and you can tell he really passionate about the game it self and like sharing his knowledge about it without coming off as a know it all.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 03, 2011, 02:56:42 PM
I don't think it's an American thing, so much as an ESPN thing. They do well in the loud, manic, sportscenter type shows and the in-depth 30 for 30 type shows, but they seem to have trouble with live sports.

The NBA coverage on ESPN is soporific at times and the NFL works because Tirico keeps it simple and Jaws provides real insight.

All the other live sports coverage tends to be either overwrought or boring
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: 100% Barataria on July 03, 2011, 02:58:04 PM
The only American commentator who can hold his own is Christopher Sullivan on FSC.

well said Giggsy, been sayin dis fuh years

Yeh, I really respect that fella. He does rell study football and you can tell he really passionate about the game it self and like sharing his knowledge about it without coming off as a know it all.

So much so he calls it "football" more often than not, more guys should take a leaf out of his book
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 03, 2011, 03:02:52 PM
5 Minutes!
Is this Old Trafford?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 03, 2011, 03:05:00 PM
And men was getting kicks off Argentina
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on July 03, 2011, 03:06:46 PM
Ganso was poor in this game, lucus brought nothing. In the next game Sandro and Elano should start.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 03, 2011, 03:10:15 PM
I don't think it's an American thing, so much as an ESPN thing. They do well in the loud, manic, sportscenter type shows and the in-depth 30 for 30 type shows, but they seem to have trouble with live sports.

The NBA coverage on ESPN is soporific at times and the NFL works because Tirico keeps it simple and Jaws provides real insight.

All the other live sports coverage tends to be either overwrought or boring
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I agree. I also think they chose the wrong people to cover/represent football when they have the rights to these tournaments. The feel they can just plug in anybody associated with success in US football or whatever sport they covering and that will mean they have instant credibility.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 03, 2011, 03:17:53 PM
alexi lal ass
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Blue on July 03, 2011, 03:25:51 PM
Ganso was poor in this game, lucus brought nothing. In the next game Sandro and Elano should start.

For me, Fred hadda start de next game...if dis small man ting couldnt work against Venezuela, it surely not gonna work against a stonewall defence like Paraguay.

I agree that Elano is more effective than Ganso, but if this tournament is about blooding the next generation (which is what Mano claims) then they might as well give Ganso a sweat. But the hype surrounding him is ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dumplingdinho on July 03, 2011, 03:30:18 PM
Pato and especially Ganso has been injured so match fitness is an issue for them. mano building team for 2014 so those guys playing regardless of the situation.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Jumbie on July 03, 2011, 03:39:38 PM
not sure if this was shared already, but you can watch the games at http://www.youtube.com/copaamerica
excellent quality!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 03, 2011, 03:43:54 PM
not sure if this was shared already, but you can watch the games at http://www.youtube.com/copaamerica
excellent quality!

You mean the link at the top of the page?  ::)   ;D
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 03, 2011, 03:54:12 PM
Ecuador hanging on by the skin of they teeth.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 03, 2011, 04:06:13 PM
After all that, a man break free, and ent even get off a shot!
He dribble the ref and all.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Mango Chow! on July 03, 2011, 04:23:34 PM
lol like d brazil men team rusty too


The best today might turn out to be the under 17 side who playing later today. We getting a triple dose of Brazilain national sides today!

 Yeah, but unfortunately the U-17 side go be short on either 2 or 3 of their starters.  I worried dat dis game against Japan go be tricky.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Jumbie on July 03, 2011, 04:33:08 PM
not sure if this was shared already, but you can watch the games at http://www.youtube.com/copaamerica
excellent quality!

You mean the link at the top of the page?  ::)   ;D

like I said.. wasn't sure if it was posted yet and I didn't bother to look  ::)
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 03, 2011, 04:40:38 PM
Any time Brasil have two defensive midfileders like Ramires and Lucas in their mildfield you know they will be short on creativity in that area of the field. I don't think they need two of the same on the field.

Ent! Seriously does Brazil really need two holding MF players against Venezuela?????? Worst none of the two can pass any further than 5 yards.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: fari on July 03, 2011, 09:54:15 PM
Any time Brasil have two defensive midfileders like Ramires and Lucas in their mildfield you know they will be short on creativity in that area of the field. I don't think they need two of the same on the field.

Ent! Seriously does Brazil really need two holding MF players against Venezuela?????? Worst none of the two can pass any further than 5 yards.


  yawn yawn yawn i really hope the games are better tomorrow
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 03, 2011, 10:03:35 PM
What's up with the horrible playing surfaces in the Copa?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 03, 2011, 11:04:16 PM
What's up with the horrible playing surfaces in the Copa?

(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/oHw0caN17Za0wk2zE9H20A--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD02MTI7cT04NTt3PTQ5OQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2011-07-03T195526Z_01_BAS611_RTRIDSP_3_SOCCER-COPA.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 04, 2011, 06:49:29 AM
Is winter in South America????????
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 04, 2011, 08:30:58 AM
What's up with the horrible playing surfaces in the Copa?

Read somewhere that patches are being covered up with green sand.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Coop's on July 04, 2011, 09:50:57 AM
Is winter in South America????????
        Interesting that you ask that question,i was wondering because i see players wearing turtleneck shirts under their game shirts plus they have on gloves.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 04, 2011, 11:03:11 AM
Yep, when is summer hear is winter in South America and Southern Africa. Them should be use to it.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: grskywalker on July 04, 2011, 11:57:58 AM
Anyone who has comcast can see the games on ON DEMAND provided you have telefutura and Univision all in HD
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Blue on July 04, 2011, 02:07:25 PM
Is winter in South America????????
        Interesting that you ask that question,i was wondering because i see players wearing turtleneck shirts under their game shirts plus they have on gloves.

Yes, this is the dead of winter in the southern hemisphere....and some parts of Argentina can get pretty cold...sub zero isnt uncommon.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: mukumsplau on July 04, 2011, 03:55:07 PM
gorm boy  almos every game brimming with talent

uruguay v peru
chile v mayheecoh

niiice...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 04, 2011, 04:20:34 PM
Is winter in South America????????
        Interesting that you ask that question,i was wondering because i see players wearing turtleneck shirts under their game shirts plus they have on gloves.

Yes, this is the dead of winter in the southern hemisphere....and some parts of Argentina can get pretty cold...sub zero isnt uncommon.

So Tevez will be breaking out the snood?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 04, 2011, 04:41:41 PM
Come nah Uruguay!
Both defenders can't be on the 1/2 line unless one of allyuh could run down the man. 1-0 Peru.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 04, 2011, 05:26:42 PM
Yes its Winter in the Southern Hemisphere!! Allyuh Geography teachers would be vex wid allyuh, especially after yuh just observe a Winter 2010 WC  ;D

All teams complaining about the pitches

On a serious note. This tournament have some of the best refereeing I have seen
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Tallman on July 04, 2011, 07:21:27 PM
Dese Copa America matches is pure pace and plenty back and forth action.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Socafan on July 04, 2011, 07:30:53 PM
Is it me or Chile playing some serious ball!?

As ah say that Mexico score. Before that I eh think Mexico come out they half more than once.

That is what yuh call against the run of play.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Tallman on July 04, 2011, 07:33:40 PM
Is it me or Chile playing some serious ball!?

As ah say that Mexico score. Before that I eh think Mexico come out they half more than once.

Is serious ball dey playing, but ah find de keeper coulda do better on dat goal. It look like he eh know where he was positioned.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Socafan on July 04, 2011, 07:37:48 PM
Is it me or Chile playing some serious ball!?

As ah say that Mexico score. Before that I eh think Mexico come out they half more than once.

Is serious ball dey playing, but ah find de keeper coulda do better on dat goal. It look like he eh know where he was positioned.
He probably fall asleep fuss he had nutten to do all half. It was a nice shot still. Mexico gone in at the half undeserved 1nil up.
Chile REAL surprise mih. Second half go be good.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: just cool on July 04, 2011, 07:39:37 PM
Is this ah full strength mexican team, and is chicarito playing ? can't seem to locate him on the field.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 04, 2011, 07:43:46 PM
Is this ah full strength mexican team, and is chicarito playing ? can't seem to locate him on the field.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mexico+copa+america+roster

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=53333.msg747669#msg747669

Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 04, 2011, 07:45:59 PM
Men, Women, Youth.. if you are a Mexican playing football, you having a good month.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Tallman on July 04, 2011, 08:08:58 PM
So much domination, and Chile cyar make it count.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Socafan on July 04, 2011, 08:13:38 PM
Finally they score. From a corner.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: richpy on July 04, 2011, 08:18:52 PM
Chile running a nice brand since last WC, so no real surprise there.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Socafan on July 04, 2011, 08:20:06 PM
2-1 Chile now. From another corner
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Tallman on July 04, 2011, 08:20:41 PM
Dat Chilean coach looking like one hater.  :devil:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Socafan on July 04, 2011, 08:22:09 PM
Chile running a nice brand since last WC, so no real surprise there.
Yeah boy. Ah here wishing we coulda play like that, and wondering why we can't. Skill, energy and confidence. Nice to watch.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: richpy on July 04, 2011, 08:24:34 PM
Dat Chilean coach looking like one hater.  :devil:

Lol, ent. He only screwing he pan when they score!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: soccerman on July 04, 2011, 08:50:10 PM
That was a nice game to watch despite Chile dominating. Mexico coulda equalize in de last minute but the #17 control was a bit off....if dat is really a Mexican U22 side, then they future bright for real cuz dem fellas was moving dat ball nice as well.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Tallman on July 04, 2011, 09:03:56 PM
That was a nice game to watch despite Chile dominating. Mexico coulda equalize in de last minute but the #17 control was a bit off....if dat is really a Mexican U22 side, then they future bright for real cuz dem fellas was moving dat ball nice as well.

Me eh find so. If anyting, dey was able tuh absorb a lot of pressure, but if Chile was clinical in front of goal, de scoreline coulda be ah lil embarrassing. But den again, is ah young side, so de experience will serve dem well. De Chileans was at ah high tempo whole game.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: soccerman on July 04, 2011, 09:11:27 PM
That was a nice game to watch despite Chile dominating. Mexico coulda equalize in de last minute but the #17 control was a bit off....if dat is really a Mexican U22 side, then they future bright for real cuz dem fellas was moving dat ball nice as well.

Me eh find so. If anyting, dey was able tuh absorb a lot of pressure, but if Chile was clinical in front of goal, de scoreline coulda be ah lil embarrassing. But den again, is ah young side, so de experience will serve dem well. De Chileans was at ah high tempo whole game.

True...Chile missed a lot. To me the Mexican's were having a hard time linking up with their forwards but they were moving the ball around in the mid field. You could see the Chilean team were more experienced and took away their few opportunites in the attacking third. That Chile team is ah boss side, dem fellas were real organized and played a decent brand and I find that young Mexican team did well to sustain them.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: jai john on July 06, 2011, 12:55:45 PM
I hope the second round of matches produce more goals starting with my team tonight. Batista has to show some "Cojones"  and pick the right players . No way you should be leaving out Arguero and Pastore from the starting line up. A little on Pastore ...Riquelme with speed ! ..that should say a lot. He isn't yet as accurate but his mind is as quick ..and he has speed. " el Flaco"  and Messi would confuse any team. With Pastore in the line up argentina would not be a uni dimensional team.
Arguero is the best finisher on the side ...as his spectacular strike proved...but he is Diego's son in law and dat have its own complications.. kyah wait to see how my side responds to local pressure . It is always difficult to play at home ..it is worse in Argentina nd Brazil where football is worse than SEA !!
batista has already nemed his team leaving out pastore and arguero ..but I expcet to see them get some action and cement their places on the team.
Not the usual spectacular start so far ..Brazil drawing with Venezuela ? many other drawn games ... lets hope things pick up soon.
argentina must also fix the defense . they were gulity of horrible positional play in defense ..luckily they were meeting Bolivia and not say Uruguay  Brazil or paraguay...
the coach has opted for zabeleta on the left and moved zanetti wide right ..I guess he saw the same things in defense.
the real problem is the central pair ..hope milito  could get it right with burdisso
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Big Magician on July 06, 2011, 01:04:08 PM
Argentina need Stern John .. Jai "John"
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: jai john on July 06, 2011, 04:28:22 PM
Argentina need Stern John .. Jai "John"

nah he go be better for Brazil ... since they failed to score against venezuela . So allyuh take him !  :devil:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: mukumsplau on July 06, 2011, 05:06:37 PM
colombia have a rel nice team...i rel like guarin and they defense better be on point because falcao aint shy about burstin nets....i wanna see one of his diving bulllet headers
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 06, 2011, 06:00:53 PM
Wish these matches started earlier, not as young as I use to be. I need my sleep! Plus if it started earlier some of hese players woulnd't be so cold!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on July 06, 2011, 07:04:16 PM
Argentina again playing with 3 d-mids against a team that doesnt want to attack i dont get it. ???
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 06, 2011, 07:06:07 PM
Is it me or do all Argentinian football stadiums look like a smokey dark bar room from Casablanca ?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 06, 2011, 07:13:10 PM
Is it me or do all Argentinian football stadiums look like a smokey dark bar room from Casablanca ?

Is the lighting.

Argentina playing this game at a much higher level than before, but look like they will get ketch on the counter.
This field looks the best out of all of them so far though
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Tallman on July 06, 2011, 07:13:55 PM
Argentina lucky dey eh down 2-0 ahready.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 06, 2011, 07:14:11 PM
Is it me or do all Argentinian football stadiums look like a smokey dark bar room from Casablanca ?

Is you!  :devil: Nah, it looking like we watching football from the 70s. Maybe is the fog affect?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 06, 2011, 07:17:11 PM
Don't understand why dey persist with Tevez and also leave DiMaria on the bench? Tevez bun for the year, and he just thinking about moving out of horrible Manchester!

Can't believe that fella throway, bess he did leave the ball and take the chance the ref would have callled a penalty if he was going tuh miss!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 06, 2011, 07:19:34 PM
Is it me or do all Argentinian football stadiums look like a smokey dark bar room from Casablanca ?

Is the fog. Some games in 78 WC the fog was worse.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 06, 2011, 07:24:29 PM
Is it me or do all Argentinian football stadiums look like a smokey dark bar room from Casablanca ?

Is the fog. Some games in 78 WC the fog was worse.

lord  :o .
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 06, 2011, 07:27:20 PM
Colombia playing some nice ball, sah!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 06, 2011, 07:32:48 PM
Good 1st half.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 06, 2011, 07:43:49 PM
Messi looks just like his father. Either this a draw or Columbia winning this-Argentina all over the place!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 06, 2011, 08:07:36 PM
Messi looks just like his father. Either this a draw or Columbia winning this-Argentina all over the place!

Arg will sneak one in....
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 06, 2011, 08:24:22 PM
This Messi fella...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: elan on July 06, 2011, 08:29:56 PM
How that field small so  ???
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: capodetutticapi on July 06, 2011, 08:31:04 PM
zanetti is still ah work horse
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 06, 2011, 08:33:49 PM
This team crying out for a Riquelme. They have nobody who could pick the lock.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 06, 2011, 08:33:55 PM
who see dat drag?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Peong on July 06, 2011, 08:34:12 PM
THE DIRTIEST DRAG!!!!

Who did it?  Ok Guarin did it on Gago.  Gago buss Guarin's nose too.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: mukumsplau on July 06, 2011, 08:34:15 PM
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo aaaaaahhh drag between d legs noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

guarin it is...tell allyuh dat man is trouble when he ready
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 06, 2011, 08:35:45 PM
Wooooow!!! what ah beat !!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Peong on July 06, 2011, 08:38:04 PM
Colombia had the better chances eh.  Argentina just scrapin by so far.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 06, 2011, 08:38:26 PM
Whey was Messi? Greatest player?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 06, 2011, 08:38:53 PM
Colombia played ball sah. Good game by both teams though!!!!! And then a soft toe-pee thru the leg.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: dinho on July 06, 2011, 08:39:46 PM
That drag between Gago legs was totally, totally uncalled for..

That was a disrespectful kinda old school Malick or Mucarapo Comp kinda drag.... lololol
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: DeSoWa on July 06, 2011, 08:41:36 PM
who see dat drag?

Ah came online just to post about that nasty drag :rotfl:

Big Up!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on July 06, 2011, 08:41:50 PM
After all batista said about the was Arg played at the WC i thought he would have answers. But all he did was change the team from an attack heavy team to a defense heavy team. Funny thing is even with 7 defenders their defense still sucks.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 06, 2011, 08:45:09 PM
That drag between Gago legs was totally, totally uncalled for..

That was a disrespectful kinda old school Malick or Mucarapo Comp kinda drag.... lololol

Hoss I was this close to startin' a thread about that drag lol...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: fitzinho on July 06, 2011, 09:22:53 PM
That drag between Gago legs was totally, totally uncalled for..

That was a disrespectful kinda old school Malick or Mucarapo Comp kinda drag.... lololol

Hoss I was this close to startin' a thread about that drag lol...
I start to bawl down the place when i see that yes...Guarin had a good game over all too
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 06, 2011, 09:54:52 PM
That drag remind a bit when Deleon push the ball thru Pele leg in the Oval in 72. Just out -ah-the-blue, breds.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: dinho on July 06, 2011, 10:53:15 PM
For those who missed it....

http://www.youtube.com/v/qLEgv1tTsDs
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Controversial on July 06, 2011, 11:09:45 PM
For those who missed it....

http://www.youtube.com/v/qLEgv1tTsDs

ah well laugh when ah see it  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Controversial on July 06, 2011, 11:11:19 PM
Colombia played ball sah. Good game by both teams though!!!!! And then a soft toe-pee thru the leg.

tina get lucky de pull ah draw, that draw down in the box should have been a penalty
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: jai john on July 07, 2011, 06:14:25 AM
That drag remind a bit when Deleon push the ball thru Pele leg in the Oval in 72. Just out -ah-the-blue, breds.

ARchibald perhaps ??
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 07, 2011, 06:43:12 AM
That drag remind a bit when Deleon push the ball thru Pele leg in the Oval in 72. Just out -ah-the-blue, breds.

ARchibald perhaps ??

Jai it was Dilly and that alone send the Oval in a roar.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Andre DosSantos on July 07, 2011, 07:08:13 AM
This Messi fella...

I bet you spain wishing they had naturalized him before he played for the senior team
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Andre on July 07, 2011, 07:59:12 AM
argetina vs. colombia.

entertaining but a goal woulda be nice. argies looks shellshocked.

BRING BACK EL DIEGO!

http://youtu.be/p2V7SWskczU
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: jai john on July 07, 2011, 08:15:18 AM
i applying for batista wuk yes ! I done tell de man bout de problem wid de team before de game .....bring in Pastore and arguero from the start. messi is blocked .... you have to have players who can also create openings ...how does playing 4 strikers work if they cant get a supply of quality passes ?

So batista and argentina went for 4 attackers ...leaving the middle vulnerable with only gago and mascherano to win the ball and create opportunities for the front men when pastore would have strengthened the middle and still have added a threat .

they cant do that in the second round if they get there . If costa rica decides to play 4 5 1 and they play like this they will have a short tournament. the thing is they have the players !

batista is proving , so far, to be as hard headed as bielsa was ... he going down with his plan , even if it eh wukkin and he has other options ...
if not for the goalkeeper that is the second game we could have lost .... other teams have gotten one v ones with the keeper. before this game i commented on the central defenders ...anyone saw the square pass from one central defender to another with which a colombian forward standing in the middle intercepted ?? he could be forgiven for missin the chance ..after all who would expect such a gift ?

you eh supposed to see that in intercol . every intercol coach must have made this statement  " do not pass the ball square in defense, especially in the middle ...it can be intercepted and both defenders would be out of position "
school boy defense is what we showing and we wont last much longer with this approach.


dais why i applying to take over after this tournament oui ...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 07, 2011, 08:41:38 AM
i applying for batista wuk yes ! I done tell de man bout de problem wid de team before de game .....bring in Pastore and arguero from the start. messi is blocked .... you have to have players who can also create openings ...how does playing 4 strikers work if they cant get a supply of quality passes ?

So batista and argentina went for 4 attackers ...leaving the middle vulnerable with only gago and mascherano to win the ball and create opportunities for the front men when pastore would have strengthened the middle and still have added a threat .

they cant do that in the second round if they get there . If costa rica decides to play 4 5 1 and they play like this they will have a short tournament. the thing is they have the players !

batista is proving , so far, to be as hard headed as bielsa was ... he going down with his plan , even if it eh wukkin and he has other options ...
if not for the goalkeeper that is the second game we could have lost .... other teams have gotten one v ones with the keeper. before this game i commented on the central defenders ...anyone saw the square pass from one central defender to another with which a colombian forward standing in the middle intercepted ?? he could be forgiven for missin the chance ..after all who would expect such a gift ?

you eh supposed to see that in intercol . every intercol coach must have made this statement  " do not pass the ball square in defense, especially in the middle ...it can be intercepted and both defenders would be out of position "
school boy defense is what we showing and we wont last much longer with this approach.


dais why i applying to take over after this tournament oui ...


I think Costa Rica sent a young side...should be no probs for an experience Arg side like this...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: grskywalker on July 07, 2011, 08:45:04 AM
Is it me or Chile playing some serious ball!?

As ah say that Mexico score. Before that I eh think Mexico come out they half more than once.

That is what yuh call against the run of play.

DITTO Mexico was under manners for a good 40 min
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 07, 2011, 08:59:44 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/jul/07/lionel-messi-argentina-copa-america (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/jul/07/lionel-messi-argentina-copa-america)

Lionel Messi is an easy target for Argentina's collective failings

When the albiceleste underperform with Messi in the side, he's the one blamed. Against Colombia, they underperformed again
Posted by Jonathan Wilson in Santa Fe Thursday 7 July 2011

He had his opportunity. With 10 minutes to go, Argentina won a free-kick by the right corner of the Colombia box. Lionel Messi stepped up. This was his chance to silence the grumblers, to mark his return to his home province with a deft assist, or perhaps even a goal. For a left-footer, the angle seemed inviting. He approached the ball – one step, two steps, three. Back went the left-foot, and ballooning high and wide went the ball, neither shot nor cross nor anything other than an indication of the lack of confidence that seems to submerge his game every time he pulls on the albiceleste shirt. As he trudged off at the final whistle after a goalless draw against Colombia, a smattering of boos rippled across the Estanislao López.


What makes it worse is that this was supposed to be his triumphant return home. It was only 110 miles to the south that Messi first kicked a ball. Some people say the boy's grandmother made the coach do it; Salvador Ricardo Aparicio himself says that he was a player short and asked the boy's grandmother if the five-year-old, who'd been kicking a ball against a nearby wall, would like to play. Everybody who was there on that dusty field in Rosario agrees what happened next. The ball came to the boy, clad in a shirt several sizes too big for him. He prodded at it with his right foot. When it came to his left, though, he started dribbling "as if he'd done that all his life", his grandmother said.


Those around reacted as if they'd seen a vision. Here was a pibe in action, the incarnation of the ideal of Argentinian football. The figure is an archetype that runs back to the earliest days of Argentinian football, from the days in the first decade of the 20th century when it first began to establish an identity distinct from that of the British ex-pats who had established the game in the country.


If Argentina wanted to erect a statue to its footballing spirit, the journalist Borocotó wrote in El Gráfico in 1928, it should depict "a pibe with a dirty face, a man of hair rebelling against the comb; with the intelligent, roving, trickster and persuasive eyes and a sparkling gaze that seem to hint at a picaresque laugh that does not quite manage to form on his mouth, full of small teeth that might be worn down by eating yesterday's bread."


The true embodiment of the pibe, of course, was Diego Maradona. Even Maradona accepts that Messi is his equal for skill, and he has a similar urchin build. Notably, though, Messi's hair no longer rebels against the comb – in fact, his may be the most sensible footballer's haircut since the days of Kevin Sheedy and Peter Davenport; a streak of European discipline has entered his soul.


It seems a trivial point, but it's not insignificant. Messi left Rosario for Spain at the age of 13, and there is a sense that Argentinian fans still don't entirely trust him. In that, he resembles another native of Rosario who found fame abroad and was never entirely accepted back home: Che Guevara. The move undoubtedly did Messi good, and not just because it secured him the growth hormones Newell's Old Boys could no long afford. It protected him, both against temptation – Pep Guardiola, then the reserve coach, quickly stepped in when he started partying with Ronaldinho – and against the machinations of agents, which may yet destroy the career of his contemporary Carlos Tevez.


But it also means that every time Messi underperforms for the national team – or, more accurately, every time the national team underperforms with Messi in the side – he is the one who takes the blame. In part that is natural for the best player in the team: he is the star, the genius, it's his shirt the counterfeit merchants are selling outside the grounds; therefore it's his job to drag the game the way of his side. But there is also a sense that whatever he does it will not quite be enough, that there will always be a suspicion that he doesn't quite give his all for Argentina. Given that he had the opportunity to play for Spain's youth teams and turned it down, that seems a little unfair.


To an extent the issue is generational. Younger fans accept that players leave for Europe as soon as they can; older fans seem still to find it hard to accept that the primera has become a diminished league. After the first game a taxi-driver even claimed that Argentina would be better picking only four Europe-based players if they wanted the team to play with pride.


There were chants for Messi before kick-off in Santa Fe but even here, the cheer for Tevez, rougher-edged and thus the more authentic avatar of pibismo, was much louder than the one for Messi when the teams were read out before kick-off. The stadium announcer neatly encapsulated the mood: "Con la 10, el mejor del mundo, Lionel Messi. Y con la 11, el jugador del pueblo, Carlos Tevez." Messi is the best in the world, but Tevez is the player of the people.


Messi, in truth, didn't look much like the best player in the world. He mooched around looking largely ineffective, perhaps all too aware that when he came deep in search of the ball it was not Xavi or Andrés Iniesta going ahead of him as it would be at Barcelona, but Esteban Cambiasso. Only once, after 34 minutes, as he slid a pass through for Ezequiel Lavezzi, was there a flash of his brilliance. The Napoli forward, though, described by Sergio Batista as Messi's co-pilot, was denied by Luis Martínez.


It's not Messi's fault, of course. Tevez, however popular he may be, was no more effective. This is an environment in which no player looked comfortable, anxious with the expectation and burdened by a tactical system that seems to suit nobody. As against Bolivia, Batista switched to a 4-2-1-3 late on, but Messi looked as uncomfortable as an enganche as he had as a false nine. This is a collective failure, tactical and mental, and ultimately Batista must take responsibility. It is Messi, though, the pibe with the European manners, who provides the easier target.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: FF on July 07, 2011, 09:44:54 AM
anyone saw the square pass from one central defender to another with which a colombian forward standing in the middle intercepted ?? he could be forgiven for missin the chance ..after all who would expect such a gift ?

you eh supposed to see that in intercol . every intercol coach must have made this statement  " do not pass the ball square in defense, especially in the middle ...it can be intercepted and both defenders would be out of position "
school boy defense is what we showing and we wont last much longer with this approach.


dais why i applying to take over after this tournament oui ...


"Brian Clough (who else?) once fined Kenny Burns for playing a square ball across his own 18-yard line," recalls Paul Miller. "He even presented Kenny with the typed-up fine at half-time."
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: jai john on July 07, 2011, 11:28:33 AM
i applying for batista wuk yes ! I done tell de man bout de problem wid de team before de game .....bring in Pastore and arguero from the start. messi is blocked .... you have to have players who can also create openings ...how does playing 4 strikers work if they cant get a supply of quality passes ?

So batista and argentina went for 4 attackers ...leaving the middle vulnerable with only gago and mascherano to win the ball and create opportunities for the front men when pastore would have strengthened the middle and still have added a threat .

they cant do that in the second round if they get there . If costa rica decides to play 4 5 1 and they play like this they will have a short tournament. the thing is they have the players !

batista is proving , so far, to be as hard headed as bielsa was ... he going down with his plan , even if it eh wukkin and he has other options ...
if not for the goalkeeper that is the second game we could have lost .... other teams have gotten one v ones with the keeper. before this game i commented on the central defenders ...anyone saw the square pass from one central defender to another with which a colombian forward standing in the middle intercepted ?? he could be forgiven for missin the chance ..after all who would expect such a gift ?

you eh supposed to see that in intercol . every intercol coach must have made this statement  " do not pass the ball square in defense, especially in the middle ...it can be intercepted and both defenders would be out of position "
school boy defense is what we showing and we wont last much longer with this approach.


dais why i applying to take over after this tournament oui ...


I think Costa Rica sent a young side...should be no probs for an experience Arg side like this...
I eh so sure nah ...a draw with Costa rica packing their defense would be a plus for dem ...we on the other hand will be looking for a new coach. I agree we should win ...but from what I seeing so far ..we not impressive and have been lucky to get two draws.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 07, 2011, 01:45:12 PM
Is funny all the hand-wringing about Argentina.
To me they closely resemble Manchester City, all this talent, but no real idea about what is the best team, formation, strategy or tactics.

Maradona said his team was Mascherano and 10 others, Batista has come back with Messi and 10 others.
The last Argentina coach who look like they had a clue was when Basile, who had a side with a good balance all around. Too bad they lost the final, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing this mess. I think the Maradona side from last world cup would be doing better, but would fall to better coached opponents, not struggle against well organized ones.

That said, I think we have to give some props to Colombia, they looked more than capable, reminding me of the glory days with el Pibe, Rincon, Asprilla and Higuita.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Peong on July 07, 2011, 01:48:18 PM
Cambiasso and Mascherano in the middle is no way to move the ball forward.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: injunchile on July 07, 2011, 02:09:52 PM
I get the feeling that they are trying to play like Barcelona- It not working, We need a Coach
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Andre on July 07, 2011, 02:24:16 PM
I get the feeling that they are trying to play like Barcelona- It not working, We need a Coach

El Diego...at least he team was more entertaining...as for the man himself.

CHUPALO!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 07, 2011, 02:28:06 PM
Cambiasso and Mascherano in the middle is no way to move the ball forward.

 :thumbsup:  Messi and Tevez have to come almost to the center circle to get a pass.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: just cool on July 07, 2011, 02:28:11 PM
I glad this is happening. why? not so much BC i hate argentina, but when ppl start talkin outa timin bout kenwyne and his ability to score for the national team, but does the opposite for his club, they should consider ah top notch goal scorer like messi who often struggle on an international level.

this is ah strange phenomenon. fellas like adebeyor, kaka, rooney, messi, and in some cases kenwyne, does fairly well for their club, but often struggle when playing for their country.

i hope the KJ haters take note, BC this happens frequently to a lot of top notch players including the great lionell messi.     :devil:

Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 07, 2011, 05:58:07 PM
All kinda action in this Bolivia - Costa Rica game.
2 red cards for Bolivia, a double penalty save by the Bolivian keeper, Costa Rica hit the crossbar twice on free kicks, and 2 goals. 2-0 CR

All kinda ting!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: jai john on July 08, 2011, 07:55:47 AM
Argentina must beat costa Rica to stay alive now ... i am reading where the coach is backing his starting team ...leaving out Pastore and arguero again ...well he must know if he succeeds he is a hero and that if he loses he is zero. argentina must be a coach's dream and nightmare .

Blessed with amazing talent they have not gotten it right although producing some of the best players in world football. Lets see they have the three M's from Barcelona, players from Inter milan, Real madrid , Napoli, Man City,  they even have two brothers on the team ...no country can boast of the combined success of its players at club level as argentina can ... yet they dont seem to gel as they should when they done the blue and white . maybe they should play in the navy blue made so famous by " El 10 " .

I still believe the key to the success is the link up between the attack and defense ...Argentina must attack ...they cannot play any other way . While german teams have patience argentinian footballers and crowds do not so an early goal always see a better Argentina as it settles the nerves . The converse is also trus as an early goal against them could see them capitulate regardless of who they are playing against as bolivia, colombia and germany have shown over the years . argentina has beaten these same teams but when they go up early ...when the opposite happens ..they fall and hard.

It really surprises me therefore that the midfield generalship of " el flaco ' is left idly on the sidelines. The player rated so highly in Italy where he has transformed a nothing team to great heights ..a la Riquelme at villareal ' is left like Riquelme when he was fit ..to watch on.

It is clear argentina is playing without an enganche as he is called . the brain . So far we are being outcoached ...lets see what happens next 
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 08, 2011, 09:03:46 AM
Nowadays, club football and national team football is 2 different things. A player spend weeks and months learning a system with his club. Then he comes and spend 10 days to 2 weeks with the national and everybody expect magic. Clubs, especially the Euro big 16, have caused this pattern in football.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Mango Chow! on July 08, 2011, 10:17:06 AM
I glad this is happening. why? not so much BC i hate argentina, but when ppl start talkin outa timin bout kenwyne and his ability to score for the national team, but does the opposite for his club, they should consider ah top notch goal scorer like messi who often struggle on an international level.

this is ah strange phenomenon. fellas like adebeyor, kaka, rooney, messi, and in some cases kenwyne, does fairly well for their club, but often struggle when playing for their country.

i hope the KJ haters take note, BC this happens frequently to a lot of top notch players including the great lionell messi.     :devil:



You really tryin' to make the comparison between kj and Messi?!? Allyuh men good oui!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Tenorsaw on July 08, 2011, 11:52:33 AM
No easy way to Brazil 2014.  This is Costa Rica's B team, for all purposes, and they made Bolivia look very ordinary.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 08, 2011, 12:01:23 PM
I glad this is happening. why? not so much BC i hate argentina, but when ppl start talkin outa timin bout kenwyne and his ability to score for the national team, but does the opposite for his club, they should consider ah top notch goal scorer like messi who often struggle on an international level.

this is ah strange phenomenon. fellas like adebeyor, kaka, rooney, messi, and in some cases kenwyne, does fairly well for their club, but often struggle when playing for their country.

i hope the KJ haters take note, BC this happens frequently to a lot of top notch players including the great lionell messi.     :devil:



You really tryin' to make the comparison between kj and Messi?!? Allyuh men good oui!

HA!  :rotfl:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: jai john on July 08, 2011, 12:21:27 PM
I glad this is happening. why? not so much BC i hate argentina, but when ppl start talkin outa timin bout kenwyne and his ability to score for the national team, but does the opposite for his club, they should consider ah top notch goal scorer like messi who often struggle on an international level.

this is ah strange phenomenon. fellas like adebeyor, kaka, rooney, messi, and in some cases kenwyne, does fairly well for their club, but often struggle when playing for their country.

i hope the KJ haters take note, BC this happens frequently to a lot of top notch players including the great lionell messi.     :devil:


Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Blue on July 08, 2011, 12:45:19 PM
This Messi fella...

I bet you spain wishing they had naturalized him before he played for the senior team

really? spain are euro and world champions...doubt dey dat greedy  ;)
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 08, 2011, 04:21:29 PM
Forlan, Suarez, El Matador Cavani.

Chile looking unsettled. Uruguay might catch them with an early goal here.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 08, 2011, 04:32:07 PM
Looking forward to this match-good talent on display! I was goin tuh say that I dig Uruguay's jersey colour then I remember that is City's colours too! Steups!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 08, 2011, 04:49:24 PM
Is a can of spray paint the ref have dey?

Edit: Google and ye shall find:

The International F. A. Board decided at its meeting in March 2011 to allow the use of the vanishing spray paint as a continuing experiment in CONMEBOL (South America), where the proposal originated
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 08, 2011, 04:54:27 PM
Is a can of spray paint the ref have dey?

Yep-dey using it tuh mark the spots for free kicks and I think the walls. I think they should use that in all the leagues!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Jah Gol on July 08, 2011, 04:55:48 PM
good futbol
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: DeSoWa on July 08, 2011, 05:44:24 PM
That was some sweet passing by Chile! Goal!

Big Up!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 08, 2011, 08:16:10 PM
How much times Peru will hit the bar or the post in this game.
Mexico barely hanging on.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Tallman on July 08, 2011, 08:27:11 PM
Peru deserve dat goal, but oh lawd, dat was slack lazy defending by Mexico. Is like dey was gazing.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Blue on July 09, 2011, 01:25:52 PM
Brazil -0 Paraguay -0, 25 minutes in....dis game rel boring dred.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: just cool on July 09, 2011, 01:51:43 PM
I glad this is happening. why? not so much BC i hate argentina, but when ppl start talkin outa timin bout kenwyne and his ability to score for the national team, but does the opposite for his club, they should consider ah top notch goal scorer like messi who often struggle on an international level.

this is ah strange phenomenon. fellas like adebeyor, kaka, rooney, messi, and in some cases kenwyne, does fairly well for their club, but often struggle when playing for their country.

i hope the KJ haters take note, BC this happens frequently to a lot of top notch players including the great lionell messi.     :devil:



You really tryin' to make the comparison between kj and Messi?!? Allyuh men good oui!

HA!  :rotfl:
I don't see what's so funny ? leave it to ah trini tuh put down our own. BTW i'm not making any comparisons, i'm just stating the obvious. playing on an international level could be much more difficult than playing on the club level for some players, that was my comparison if any @ all. but i guessed that flew over your head like ah like ah stealth bomber, didn't it ?

PS: and if i did make a comparison it was to indicate their short comings and not the other way around. all the players i mentioned often struggle on an international level, but have an easier time playing on a club level.

now did i really have tuh go though all that?  :thinking:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 09, 2011, 02:14:27 PM
Damn, Paraguay vs Brazil too!

I need PIP!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Blue on July 09, 2011, 02:25:47 PM
Paraguay 2-1 up, and deserve it
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 09, 2011, 02:26:36 PM
Argentina fans have a reason to smile now.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Blue on July 09, 2011, 02:49:20 PM
2-2, Fred wid d equaliser.

Fred should have been on the pitch from the start, this Brazil team is desperate for a target man.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Peong on July 09, 2011, 02:53:32 PM
I feel it for Paraguay.  So close to 3 pts.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 09, 2011, 03:20:49 PM
Is a can of spray paint the ref have dey?

Yep-dey using it tuh mark the spots for free kicks and I think the walls. I think they should use that in all the leagues!
I see them use it in MLS games this season. A very good idea. Yeah Giggsy they use it for the walls too.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: injunchile on July 09, 2011, 04:36:00 PM
Venezuela running some good ball. Half time 0-0
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Controversial on July 09, 2011, 04:41:52 PM
Venezuela running some good ball. Half time 0-0

going to take some footie een just now  :beermug:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Peong on July 09, 2011, 04:52:34 PM
Who see dat  bullet?  Goal boy!  Venezuela 2 Ecu 0
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Controversial on July 09, 2011, 05:28:06 PM
Who see dat  bullet?  Goal boy!  Venezuela 2 Ecu 0

1-0 breds

uela play some nice ball :beermug:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: injunchile on July 09, 2011, 05:39:34 PM
Venezuela 1- Ecudor o
 After the second rounds
Venezuela- 4points
Brazil-2points
 Paraguay- 2points
 Ecuador-1 point
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Peong on July 09, 2011, 08:09:59 PM
Who see dat  bullet?  Goal boy!  Venezuela 1 Ecu 0

1-0 breds

uela play some nice ball :beermug:

Yeh I hit the wrong key thanks.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 09, 2011, 08:39:53 PM
Brazil like dey saying anything Argentina do, we could do worse...

That's as bad as I've seen them play in a really really long time....
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Controversial on July 09, 2011, 09:21:34 PM
Brazil like dey saying anything Argentina do, we could do worse...

That's as bad as I've seen them play in a really really long time....

you sure teams like venezuala not getting better breds  8)
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 09, 2011, 09:29:55 PM
you sure teams like venezuala not getting better breds  8)

That's definitely part of it...but still a poor performance by Brazil. 
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Controversial on July 09, 2011, 11:05:06 PM
you sure teams like venezuala not getting better breds  8)

That's definitely part of it...but still a poor performance by Brazil. 

didn't see the match in entirety so i will go by your word bc you know your ball as well, i guess we will see what happens as the tournament progresses :beermug:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 10, 2011, 01:14:39 PM
Colombia - Bolivia on Telefutura now.

Look Colombia just score...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 10, 2011, 01:51:24 PM
2-0 now.
So far Colombia is the class team of the tournament. They should have beaten Argentina in the 2nd game.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: injunchile on July 10, 2011, 09:20:27 PM
I heard that Maturuna- Remember him from the last W?C campaignfor T&T is their technical Director?
 What a thing
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: fari on July 10, 2011, 09:25:12 PM
I heard that Maturuna- Remember him from the last W?C campaignfor T&T is their technical Director?
 What a thing

saw him last week, the camera panned on him for a long time.    i cant remember how our team played when he was our coach but this colombia side impressed me in the game i saw them play against argentina.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: davidephraim on July 11, 2011, 04:12:50 AM
I heard that Maturuna- Remember him from the last W?C campaignfor T&T is their technical Director?
 What a thing

Well if de job criteria is as it is for LP then i'm not very worried. I'm sure Maturana have good qualities they just didnt go with the material he had and he was unable to adapt. As meh boy Latas!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 11, 2011, 05:39:25 AM
Pacho has always been a good coach. He has a proven record. The problem with him and the TT national team is timing and football politics. He came into TT football in a time of turmoil. He did not have the quality of players to work with. Jack tell him, here, work with them players and unfortunately they were not GOOD enough and he  could not bring them to a level to beat the US, Mex, CR, etc. Then he had to deal with TTFF administration politics. No explanation in that quarters.

Now I see everybody on the bandwagon singing Colombia praises. Colombia reminds me a of pre-WC Spain. Underachievers. When growing up Colombia was never in the WC picture. It use to be Peru. Colombia can beat the best teams in the world and then struggle against US, Mex and even TT. 

Last WC qualifying, Ven. hold them in Ven. and cut they arse proper. Their performance was disappointng.But this time around they have a good bunch of players that seems to have a good understanding among themselves. Their stopper who plays for Atletico Madrid is a boss player. He unfortunately players for the other Madrid team. This team reminds a bit of Maturana's team with Asprilla and Valderama, but without the big hoopla and dramatics. And no Pablo Escobar figure hanging around like an albatross. At least we hope so. I wish them the best.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: jai john on July 11, 2011, 11:42:17 AM
I heard that Maturuna- Remember him from the last W?C campaignfor T&T is their technical Director?
 What a thing

saw him last week, the camera panned on him for a long time.    i cant remember how our team played when he was our coach but this colombia side impressed me in the game i saw them play against argentina.


they should have won the gamevs argentina ...man kich overbar when all he had in front of him was net ! ... Anyway dont say nothing bout Mats yuh hear ...Weary have ah personal wid she dentist ...
The Fire Mats campaign was probably the longest running thread of course < in close battle with the " hardest " thread.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: jai john on July 11, 2011, 11:44:26 AM
Argentina make four changes for decider with Costa Rica
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By Rex Gowar

CORDOBA (Reuters) - Struggling hosts Argentina have made four changes for Monday's match against Costa Rica which they must win to be sure of reaching the Copa America quarter-finals.

Coach Sergio Batista announced his line-up, aimed at freeing Lionel Messi from close marking in the middle, on the squad's arrival in Cordoba from their Buenos Aires base on Sunday night.

Costa Rica, second in Group A after a 1-0 win over Bolivia, and Argentina, who have drawn twice, meet at Cordoba's Mario Alberto Kempes stadium on Tuesday (0045 GMT). Colombia won the group and qualified with a 2-0 win over Bolivia on Sunday.

"We needed more ball movement and Fernando (Gago) does that very well," Batista told a news conference, referring to using the Real Madrid midfielder in place of Ever Banega.

"And now we're going to have a number nine high up, even two," he added referring to bringing in Gonzalo Higuain and Sergio Aguero in place of the ineffective Carlos Tevez and Ezequiel Lavezzi.

The other change is Angel Di Maria on the left of midfield instead of Esteban Cambiasso, a winger in place of a defensive midfielder.

The plan, with a midfield that helped Batista's Olympic team win the soccer gold medal at the Beijing Games in 2008, is to allow Messi to roam, mainly on the right, and draw markers away from the Argentine creative hub while also joining it at will.

Messi, in a roaming centre forward role in the first two matches, suffered the close attentions of several players in scaled marking.

A frustrated Messi and the rest of the players were booed off the pitch in Santa Fe but Batista said he would never think of dropping the little FIFA world player of the year.

"The idea is always to build a team around Messi ... It's very hard to drop him because, for me, he is a 90-minute player. He can play badly a while, but he can always show you something," Batista said.

Team: Sergio Romero; Pablo Zabaleta, Nicolas Burdisso, Gabriel Milito, Javier Zanetti; Fernando Gago, Javier Mascherano, Angel Di Maria; Lionel Messi, Gonzalo Higuain, Sergio Aguero.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: warmonga on July 11, 2011, 11:49:27 AM
wait nah is this di same Costa rica team dat collect 4 frm mexico in the gold cup? if so South america football stinking theese days...

war
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: dinho on July 11, 2011, 12:14:45 PM
Finally... Finally... 2 games later Argentina coach come to his senses with the formation.

Nice to see he starting with Di Maria. I personally woulda start Tevez over Higuain and play him in that narrow 2 up top and I woulda give Pastore some burn but daiz just me. Not too much in favor of dropping Cambiasso but I seeing the thinking with the way Gago does spray de ball.

Lewwe see if Argentina wake up with this setup.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: trinikev on July 11, 2011, 12:45:25 PM
Finally... Finally... 2 games later Argentina coach come to his senses with the formation.

Nice to see he starting with Di Maria. I personally woulda start Tevez over Higuain and play him in that narrow 2 up top and I woulda give Pastore some burn but daiz just me. Not too much in favor of dropping Cambiasso but I seeing the thinking with the way Gago does spray de ball.

Lewwe see if Argentina wake up with this setup.

U read my mind with this post here Omar  :beermug:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 11, 2011, 01:30:15 PM
Playing Di Maria means it makes more sense to play Higuain, That gives the team a different dimension with wing play & crosses for Higuain to attack.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: palos on July 11, 2011, 01:54:21 PM
wait nah is this di same Costa rica team dat collect 4 frm mexico in the gold cup? if so South america football stinking theese days...

war


Actually, as guest teams in this tournament, BOTH Mexico and Costa Rica are playing mostly with their U 23 players.

Given that, it's a tremendous performance from BOTH teams thus far in the Copa.

If a full strength Argentina cannot defeat a de facto Costa Rican U23 team AT HOME.....they don't deserve to be in the next round.  That simple.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: jai john on July 11, 2011, 05:04:15 PM
wait nah is this di same Costa rica team dat collect 4 frm mexico in the gold cup? if so South america football stinking theese days...

war


Actually, as guest teams in this tournament, BOTH Mexico and Costa Rica are playing mostly with their U 23 players.

Given that, it's a tremendous performance from BOTH teams thus far in the Copa.

If a full strength Argentina cannot defeat a de facto Costa Rican U23 team AT HOME.....they don't deserve to be in the next round.  That simple.


Doh study we ...study that venezuela leading all yuh group and allyuh draw the two games as well . Doh try to sneak in here with Brazil performing poorly and just wash yuh mouth on Argentina. I had to admit we eh looking good before I could comment on any team ...
talk bout yuh side ....Pato...Neymar  Robinho ..ganso ...what happening ??? Give us a little info on how you see tings nah ....
fellas dis is juss me an Palos here eh ... is long time we have dis running battle. Palos telling me we go lorse the copa ...a whole year now ...Copa start ..nothing from Palos. If brazil was beating people ah was sure to get some talk, especially since we ress a hurtful loss on dem last time we met.
This is the biggest rivalry in international football ....... respeck to england vs germany ! everyonme waiting to see the battle .....I wish they noth make it of course ...just a certain Uruguay team have me a little worried ...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 11, 2011, 06:38:28 PM
Finally!
I was getting withdrawal symptoms.

I wonder if "the catalan" know the anthem?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 11, 2011, 06:45:47 PM
Listening to the Argentina anthem was like listening to opera! The press was making a big deal that Messi doesn't sing the anthem-I wonder if he knows it? ;D
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 11, 2011, 06:47:57 PM
Go Costa Rica, i want to see some Argentinian tears tonight !!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 11, 2011, 06:59:53 PM
Listening to the Argentina anthem was like listening to oprea! The press was making a big deal that Messi doesn't sing the anthem-I wonder if he knows it? ;D

They could say what they want. That anthem reeeaaaaaaallllllll long. In fact the fella tonight sing the abridged version.

As for the game. Argentina already looking better than the last two games.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 11, 2011, 07:25:21 PM
No. 6 from Costa Rica (Mora? - bald dude) is a good player....
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 11, 2011, 07:27:07 PM
Doh study we ...study that venezuela leading all yuh group and allyuh draw the two games as well . Doh try to sneak in here with Brazil performing poorly and just wash yuh mouth on Argentina. I had to admit we eh looking good before I could comment on any team ...
talk bout yuh side ....Pato...Neymar  Robinho ..ganso ...what happening ??? Give us a little info on how you see tings nah ....
fellas dis is juss me an Palos here eh ... is long time we have dis running battle. Palos telling me we go lorse the copa ...a whole year now ...Copa start ..nothing from Palos. If brazil was beating people ah was sure to get some talk, especially since we ress a hurtful loss on dem last time we met.
This is the biggest rivalry in international football ....... respeck to england vs germany ! everyonme waiting to see the battle .....I wish they noth make it of course ...just a certain Uruguay team have me a little worried ...


Brazil and Argentina competing for the prize of biggest disappointment of the Copa....

Something tell me they will still meet in the final.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 11, 2011, 07:28:24 PM
Arg should be up 3 or 4 goals by now....
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 11, 2011, 07:31:19 PM
Finally!!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 11, 2011, 07:32:58 PM
Finally!!

Seriously..
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 11, 2011, 07:33:19 PM
stueps
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: jai john on July 11, 2011, 07:54:44 PM
Bring on Flaco ...pleaseee!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 11, 2011, 07:58:21 PM
I don't think Lavezzi and Tevez starting in this tournament anymore.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 11, 2011, 07:59:24 PM
Flood gates may have just opened....ok Messi giwwe a lil solo run nah....
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Peong on July 11, 2011, 08:06:43 PM
Why does Higuain miss those easy ones?  Man free and missin the target big and bold.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 11, 2011, 08:06:59 PM
Penalty Ref!!!!

But Higuain coulda keep going and take the damn shot.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 11, 2011, 08:09:08 PM
This could get ugly for Costa Rica.

Messi running things
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 11, 2011, 08:36:41 PM
Argentina is back on track...Woulda like to see Pastore start...but that aside...If a Trinidad U-23 put up this kinda fight against Argentina I'd be very very proud...we reallllll far behind jed....
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: jai john on July 11, 2011, 08:53:16 PM
I could pay real  money to see pastore ...de man get so many touches in such a short time ...he is amazing. If batista wants to play like barcelona then pastore must start.  Messi gets more space when he is on the field because he could also run things and the opposition must be wary of him....\
 this was not a stern test but the central defenders read the comments ....even when Argentina  had close to 30 touches the central defenders did not stray like in the last two games. The goalkeeper is trumps but the key now is for the central defenders to play more team defense...covering each other and not this star boy ting of the first two Games ....
Higuain showed just what I had been saying all along ...gets into position and wastes too many chances . Arguero proved that he is the no 1 hitman on this team ...not a bad return for a bencher ...3 goals !
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 11, 2011, 09:11:16 PM
Majestic Messi. lard! he could do no more (besides score himself).
He showed he could accept the playmaking role.
Aguero fantastic, yes he throw way, but hey he is a striker in form.
Pastore is a play I would pay to see. Dam!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 11, 2011, 10:09:45 PM
Listening to the Argentina anthem was like listening to opera! The press was making a big deal that Messi doesn't sing the anthem-I wonder if he knows it? ;D

The 3 longest anthems are Argentina, Mexico and Italy. They are all long. Probaly more than 30 lines.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: jai john on July 12, 2011, 04:01:13 AM
Listening to the Argentina anthem was like listening to opera! The press was making a big deal that Messi doesn't sing the anthem-I wonder if he knows it? ;D

The 3 longest anthems are Argentina, Mexico and Italy. They are all long. Probaly more than 30 lines.

...then I guess you must have only ever heard the shortened version of the brazilian national anthem ?? Check it out ....
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on July 12, 2011, 05:09:53 AM
I eh have time to read the whole discourse on the CR vs. Arg team......ah went and sleep half time.  How de game ended??

Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: injunchile on July 12, 2011, 06:52:14 AM
Messi showed who is boss . Argentina looked like barca and had Maradona son in law just placed the ball rather than try to buss the net the score would have been 7-0
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 12, 2011, 07:11:30 AM
...then I guess you must have only ever heard the shortened version of the brazilian national anthem ?? Check it out ....

Yeah they's only play the shortened version of Brazil's anthem lol - but that's the case in many national anthems. 

The American star-spangled banner that we're use to hearing is only one of four verses in the full song...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 12, 2011, 09:32:41 AM
That's why TT anthemn is the best. Short, to the point and sweet. 11 lines long.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: palos on July 12, 2011, 09:39:53 AM
well done Argentina

Majestic display trouncing perennial world beaters Costa Rica U 23 squad in the process

Based on yesterday's awesome display of imperial football against a powerhouse Costa Rican Olympic side, the question must be asked.

Is this Argentina team the best team ever to play the game?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2011, 09:42:42 AM
Something wrong in Brazil for sure. Brazil does not seem to have a genuine striker or two and none on the horizon. This is true since the original Ronaldo, began to age. No disrespect to Luis Fabiano, Fred, Pato, and the young Wellington or Lenny, but they are simply not in that class.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: palos on July 12, 2011, 09:50:19 AM
Something wrong in Brazil for sure. Brazil does not seem to have a genuine striker or two and none on the horizon. This is true since the original Ronaldo, began to age. No disrespect to Luis Fabiano, Fred, Pato, and the young Wellington or Lenny, but they are simply not in that class.

Actually, I think it goes beyond the striker thing.

Pato is an excellent striker and you're right, he's no Ronaldo.  But neither was Zico and he did get plenty press in his day.

I think the biggest problem for Brazil is the absence of a true playmaker ever since Ronaldinho left the scene.  Robinho, Neymar etc are all similar.  Wide players with bags of skill and pace....but not playmakers.  Even Kaka is more known for his ability to run past opponents rather than being a playmaker.

When you have the likes of Lucas, Ramires etc being touted as "BIG" players, you know you in trouble.  Yes they absolutely do the dirty work, but there is no one even approximating the likes of a Socrates, Falcao, etc and I believe it's because of a change in footballing philosophy where Brazil now playes to kill you on the counter with pace e.g. Kaka, Robinho, Neymar etc.

Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Jumbie on July 12, 2011, 09:56:42 AM
Something wrong in Brazil for sure. Brazil does not seem to have a genuine striker or two and none on the horizon. This is true since the original Ronaldo, began to age. No disrespect to Luis Fabiano, Fred, Pato, and the young Wellington or Lenny, but they are simply not in that class.

doh loose faith... marta putting dubbin on her boots to shine for that lame mens team.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 12, 2011, 10:06:48 AM

Is this Argentina team the best team ever to play the game?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on July 12, 2011, 10:40:44 AM
Argentina:
http://www.youtube.com//v/bsoqhNzPEaw

Brasil:
http://www.youtube.com/v/QC183UcFk34
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 12, 2011, 10:44:27 AM

When you have the likes of Lucas, Ramires etc being touted as "BIG" players, you know you in trouble.  Yes they absolutely do the dirty work, but there is no one even approximating the likes of a Socrates, Falcao, etc and I believe it's because of a change in footballing philosophy where Brazil now playes to kill you on the counter with pace e.g. Kaka, Robinho, Neymar etc.

I agree with that in general when you're talking about in recent years... except that's not really true in this current Brazil set up...Ganso is supposed to be that guy you're talking about - he is a pure playmaker and plays regularly under this system, and has played both games this Copa. He set up both goals against Paraguay... I personally am a fan of his game (could use a little more speed and agression), but in general the jury is still out on his ability to be that world class playmaker.  
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: fari on July 12, 2011, 11:04:20 AM

When you have the likes of Lucas, Ramires etc being touted as "BIG" players, you know you in trouble.  Yes they absolutely do the dirty work, but there is no one even approximating the likes of a Socrates, Falcao, etc and I believe it's because of a change in footballing philosophy where Brazil now playes to kill you on the counter with pace e.g. Kaka, Robinho, Neymar etc.

I agree with that in general when you're talking about in recent years... except that's not really true in this current Brazil set up...Ganso is supposed to be that guy you're talking about - he is a pure playmaker and plays regularly under this system, and has played both games this Copa. He set up both goals against Paraguay... I personally am a fan of his game (could use a little more speed and agression), but in general the jury is still out on his ability to be that world class playmaker.  


you beat me to it...ganso is a boss for santos, i still waitin for him to make his mark in the seleccao
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Peong on July 12, 2011, 11:26:02 AM
Actually, I think it goes beyond the striker thing.

Pato is an excellent striker and you're right, he's no Ronaldo.  But neither was Zico and he did get plenty press in his day.

I think the biggest problem for Brazil is the absence of a true playmaker ever since Ronaldinho left the scene.  Robinho, Neymar etc are all similar.  Wide players with bags of skill and pace....but not playmakers.  Even Kaka is more known for his ability to run past opponents rather than being a playmaker.

When you have the likes of Lucas, Ramires etc being touted as "BIG" players, you know you in trouble.  Yes they absolutely do the dirty work, but there is no one even approximating the likes of a Socrates, Falcao, etc and I believe it's because of a change in footballing philosophy where Brazil now playes to kill you on the counter with pace e.g. Kaka, Robinho, Neymar etc.


Yuh memory gettin short in old age?  Kaka is a big playmaker.  Yes he can run past players, it is part of the way that he makes plays.  He also makes many assists and scores many goals.  That's what playmakers do.
 
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 12, 2011, 11:44:32 AM

Yuh memory gettin short in old age?  Kaka is a big playmaker.  Yes he can run past players, it is part of the way that he makes plays.  He also makes many assists and scores many goals.  That's what playmakers do.
 

I think Palos talking about a more old school traditional "general"...a dead center, central midfielder.... like a Xavi, Riquelme, Modric, Pirlo type who will kill you with the pass and really take control over the pace of a game... Ganso is that guy in Brazil's current set up.  Kaka is a more modern day play maker who sits right behind the forwards... The deep lying central midfielder pulling the strings between back and forwards is kind of a dying breed.  These days yuh have defensive midfielders doing the dirty work, and withdrawn forwards like Messi, Kaka, C.Ronaldo, Robinho who score goals as much as they make plays...often times as Palos says they take up wide positions on the field and are more focused on taking on players than killing you with the deft pass...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2011, 12:02:40 PM
Something wrong in Brazil for sure. Brazil does not seem to have a genuine striker or two and none on the horizon. This is true since the original Ronaldo, began to age. No disrespect to Luis Fabiano, Fred, Pato, and the young Wellington or Lenny, but they are simply not in that class.

Actually, I think it goes beyond the striker thing.

Pato is an excellent striker and you're right, he's no Ronaldo.  But neither was Zico and he did get plenty press in his day.

I think the biggest problem for Brazil is the absence of a true playmaker ever since Ronaldinho left the scene.  Robinho, Neymar etc are all similar.  Wide players with bags of skill and pace....but not playmakers.  Even Kaka is more known for his ability to run past opponents rather than being a playmaker.

When you have the likes of Lucas, Ramires etc being touted as "BIG" players, you know you in trouble.  Yes they absolutely do the dirty work, but there is no one even approximating the likes of a Socrates, Falcao, etc and I believe it's because of a change in footballing philosophy where Brazil now playes to kill you on the counter with pace e.g. Kaka, Robinho, Neymar etc.



as for playmakers I think Brazil have more players with the potential to fill that role. I agree on Robinho & Neymar. Kaka if he ever ruturns to full fitness & given the role, we all know what he can do. Jadson who for Shakta was splendid last season and Ganzo who will need time, are two players that work well together & can deliver the right pass.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 12, 2011, 04:08:53 PM
These games are home games for Chile. Moreso it seems than Argentina.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: jai john on July 12, 2011, 04:21:03 PM
While we reflect on Brazil's playmaker or lack of one . Argentina has, in celophane wrap, the Pink Panther ...Javier Pastore. There crowd had to bring him on in the last game ....with ..." Flaco...Flaco ..."  before this tournament ends everyone will have heard of " El Flaco " and I am sure batista will see the light soon.

Just as messi is Diego's copy ...Flaco is Riquelme's copy ...with speed. as a huge Riqueme fan it is so good to see the artistic footballer find a place and space in modern football. It is the way the game is envisaged ...pure artistry and style. Players like Zidane, Lara, Sobers, Michael Jordan, riquelme, Pele, Maradona ...are who make sports what we just cant resist.
I believe we are seeing another player who wants to show that the game of  football  is  more artistic than athletic .... Poetry in motion ... El Flaco is the real deal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmpJw6fvoO8&feature=related
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dumplingdinho on July 12, 2011, 05:04:42 PM
Ganso is the playmaker on Brazil's squad in a similar role to Kaka in the past.  The only difference I see is Kaka has lots more speed but I Ganso's passing is better.  He has played only 3 games for Brazil so we can't say he is failure, the jury is still out on him.  Give  about 2 years.  He needs some experience in Europe.

As for Neymar and Robinho, neymar dribbles too much and while he will mash up the Brazilian league, that approach will not work in Europe and national team competitions.  As for Robinho, he is overrated, plain and simple.  Good club player in the right system but nothing more.

One of brazil's problem is the lack of a target man, while Fabiano was no ronaldo or romario, he was a very clinical finisher.  Pato and Fred are not that type of player, they are effective as a 2nd forward.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Andre DosSantos on July 12, 2011, 05:24:36 PM
chile vs peru atm cero - cero second half. Telefutura
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 12, 2011, 05:46:20 PM
We papa some serious nasty tackles flying in this game. Like is crop time in Mendoza, man cutting cane
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 12, 2011, 06:07:49 PM
i was now about to type how Peru doh know how this game is 0-0. Apparently they couldn't believe Chile didn't score and decide to score for them.

1-0 at the death.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Peong on July 12, 2011, 06:08:08 PM

Yuh memory gettin short in old age?  Kaka is a big playmaker.  Yes he can run past players, it is part of the way that he makes plays.  He also makes many assists and scores many goals.  That's what playmakers do.
 

I think Palos talking about a more old school traditional "general"...a dead center, central midfielder.... like a Xavi, Riquelme, Modric, Pirlo type who will kill you with the pass and really take control over the pace of a game... Ganso is that guy in Brazil's current set up.  Kaka is a more modern day play maker who sits right behind the forwards... The deep lying central midfielder pulling the strings between back and forwards is kind of a dying breed.  These days yuh have defensive midfielders doing the dirty work, and withdrawn forwards like Messi, Kaka, C.Ronaldo, Robinho who score goals as much as they make plays...often times as Palos says they take up wide positions on the field and are more focused on taking on players than killing you with the deft pass...

Nah kicker, he say since Ronaldinho they didn't have a true playmaker, and Ronaldinho is not the type of playmaker you outlined there.  He's much more along the lines of Kaka.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 12, 2011, 06:09:01 PM
The home crowd goes wild!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Andre DosSantos on July 12, 2011, 06:57:31 PM
mexico vs uruguay on univision 10 mins  cero y cero
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 12, 2011, 06:58:28 PM
What is up with the mascot? This thing is the stuff of nightmares:

(http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/COPAAMERICA.jpg)

Why have mascots anyway? does anyone care?

Past Mascots:
(http://drawmark.squarespace.com/storage/CopamascotsDM.jpg)

World Cup mascots:
(http://www.worldcup2010now.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/World_Cup_Mascots.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 12, 2011, 07:12:51 PM
94 , 98 mascots bring back memories to me
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 12, 2011, 07:15:05 PM
Nah kicker, he say since Ronaldinho they didn't have a true playmaker, and Ronaldinho is not the type of playmaker you outlined there.  He's much more along the lines of Kaka.

Good point. 
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 12, 2011, 07:26:12 PM
94 , 98 mascots bring back memories to me

For me it was 1990. But back then I thought we were going  :-\

I doh remember the bear in the big blue house from 2006 though. actually nothing from 94-2010
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 12, 2011, 08:27:16 PM
Uruguay keep throwing away. Mexico almost made them pay there. Barely offside.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on July 13, 2011, 10:19:08 AM
What is up with the mascot? This thing is the stuff of nightmares:

(http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/COPAAMERICA.jpg)


That remind meh of Peppy.

Definite nightmares.

(http://www.colyp.com/flavorite/peppybox.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 13, 2011, 10:30:19 AM
What is up with the mascot? This thing is the stuff of nightmares:

(http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/COPAAMERICA.jpg)


He look kinda like Diego Milito...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 13, 2011, 02:24:44 PM
What is up with the mascot? This thing is the stuff of nightmares:

(http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/COPAAMERICA.jpg)


He look kinda like Diego Milito...

Oh shit!  :rotfl: you eh easy nah!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 13, 2011, 04:23:30 PM
Ven 1 vs Paraguay 0. nice goal buy Solomon Rondon.
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Post by: Bitter on July 13, 2011, 06:06:43 PM
Real wildness at the end of this game.

Venezuela score 2 in 3 minutes to tie it 3-3

Is the flickin goalie who run up and provide the knock-on header for the goal oui.
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Post by: FF on July 13, 2011, 06:07:57 PM
Real wildness at the end of this game.

Venezuela score 2 in 3 minutes to tie it 3-3

Is the flickin goalie who run up and provide the knock-on header for the goal oui.

wha de arse i seeing here.....

dat was drama  :o :rotfl:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 13, 2011, 06:55:18 PM
This Brazil side lookin' realllll flat jed....flat flat flat!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Peong on July 13, 2011, 07:15:26 PM
That was a damn good pass!
Man measure it like Beckham to Yorke.

Btw 1-0 to Brasil.

1-1!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 13, 2011, 07:23:39 PM
Howler by Julio Cesar - 1-1
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Post by: Tallman on July 13, 2011, 07:23:57 PM
Howler by Julio Cesar - 1-1

I thought it was Heurelho Gomes in goal  :devil:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 13, 2011, 07:50:18 PM
I thought it was Heurelho Gomes in goal  :devil:

seriously
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 13, 2011, 07:53:36 PM
Neymar opens his account finally...

Well worked goal. 

Ganso is a bit too pedestrian in the run of play a lot of time but his final pass on top the box is almost always deadly...
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Post by: giggsy11 on July 13, 2011, 08:03:19 PM
Julio Cesar savin like he needs glasses! 2-2. Now 3-2 Brasil-Pato with 2.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 13, 2011, 08:08:04 PM
Like somebody dial up wildness for tonight, is all kinda ting happening.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 13, 2011, 08:11:17 PM
Lucas has completely disappeared in this game... The defensive middle for Brazil is almost non-existent. 
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Post by: Peong on July 13, 2011, 09:20:31 PM
So Neymar and Pato managed to produce.
Brasil still lookin very suspect though.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 13, 2011, 09:48:43 PM
So Neymar and Pato managed to produce.
Brasil still lookin very suspect though.

Yeah - not convincing at all.  The defensive middle is falling asleep completely, jogging around the field and escorting the opposition through.... Ecuador was strolling through the midfield without even working. 

Ganso has some amazing touches, but he is way too casual a lot of the time...would like to see more energy and steel from him - love the touches and vision, but it's a bit too "exhibition football-like" too often. 

Maicon over Alves was a good move - he was probably man of the match despite the goal scorers.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 14, 2011, 08:57:05 AM
So Neymar and Pato managed to produce.
Brasil still lookin very suspect though.

Yeah - not convincing at all.  The defensive middle is falling asleep completely, jogging around the field and escorting the opposition through.... Ecuador was strolling through the midfield without even working. 

Ganso has some amazing touches, but he is way too casual a lot of the time...would like to see more energy and steel from him - love the touches and vision, but it's a bit too "exhibition football-like" too often. 

Maicon over Alves was a good move - he was probably man of the match despite the goal scorers.

Spent the whole match thinking "Is it me, or is Maicon STILL better than Dani Alves?"
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: palos on July 14, 2011, 09:03:16 AM
So Neymar and Pato managed to produce.
Brasil still lookin very suspect though.

Yeah - not convincing at all.  The defensive middle is falling asleep completely, jogging around the field and escorting the opposition through.... Ecuador was strolling through the midfield without even working. 

Ganso has some amazing touches, but he is way too casual a lot of the time...would like to see more energy and steel from him - love the touches and vision, but it's a bit too "exhibition football-like" too often. 

Maicon over Alves was a good move - he was probably man of the match despite the goal scorers.

Spent the whole match thinking "Is it me, or is Maicon STILL better than Dani Alves?"

Maicon still recoverin from de trauma he received at de feet of Gareth Bale.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Jah Gol on July 14, 2011, 09:09:00 AM
Even as Barca fan I prefer Maicon to Dani Alves. Even though he has less guile he is better defensively and his crossing is better.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 14, 2011, 09:15:30 AM

Maicon still recoverin from de trauma he received at de feet of Gareth Bale.

lol ... he had a good game last night though - he looked like he recovered  ;D
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Jah Gol on July 14, 2011, 12:58:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/JHlZbP3MuEs
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 16, 2011, 04:47:58 PM
Uruguay has no answer for Messi tonight.

Unless this game pattern changes, Argentina looking like they could run up a score in this one when it opens up.

Uruguay looking likey to end with less than 11 on the field.

Good game so far....
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on July 16, 2011, 04:56:32 PM
Uruguay has no answer for Messi tonight.

Unless this game pattern changes, Argentina looking like they could run up a score in this one when it opens up.

Uruguay looking likey to end with less than 11 on the field.

Good game so far....

Prophetic words papa......real bachanal game so far....
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2011, 05:12:29 PM
some players just dotish! he deserve what he get and let his teamdown
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 16, 2011, 05:25:43 PM
Yeah, he look fuh dat! Ref had no other choice than tuh card him again!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 16, 2011, 05:48:44 PM
Based on the first half run of play I figured Argentina would run this team to the ground after the red card....Uruguay playing very organized and actually look like the better side.   
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 16, 2011, 05:52:06 PM
Forlan technique is amazing, but that scoop in the back was madness, lucky his defense bail him out...
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Post by: D.H.W on July 16, 2011, 05:59:59 PM
ah betting alyuh Uruguay win this game  8)
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 16, 2011, 06:03:40 PM
 :devil:  :rotfl: watch and see , my goat mouth doh make joke 10 v 10 now
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 16, 2011, 06:04:51 PM
10 v 10

Was that really a card-able foul?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 16, 2011, 06:05:53 PM
:devil:  :rotfl: watch and see , my goat mouth doh make joke 10 v 10 now

Argentina will probably play better with 10.  They didn't look that good with the extra man. 
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 16, 2011, 06:06:25 PM
KEEPER!!!  :notworthy:

bosss!!  :salute:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 16, 2011, 06:08:15 PM
KEEPER!!!  :notworthy:

bosss!!  :salute:

Agreed! Yo save some ah dat goatmout for tomorrow!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 16, 2011, 06:09:29 PM
Uruguay dos boil teams down like bargee!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Mango Chow! on July 16, 2011, 06:12:49 PM
10 v 10

Was that really a card-able foul?

Nnnnnnnnope!  Suarez pull a cronaldo and de ref is a sucker.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2011, 06:14:09 PM
If Uruguay had cavani they would have been scary
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 16, 2011, 06:14:22 PM
KEEPER!!!  :notworthy:

bosss!!  :salute:

Agreed! Yo save some ah dat goatmout for tomorrow!

Sorry Sorry  :devil: . I just give Arg a little sprinkle
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 16, 2011, 06:15:33 PM
10 v 10

Was that really a card-able foul?

Nnnnnnnnope!  Suarez pull a cronaldo and de ref is a sucker.

Ah know right! The ref is a sucker who get suckered!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 16, 2011, 06:16:14 PM
KEEPER!!!  :notworthy:

bosss!!  :salute:

Agreed! Yo save some ah dat goatmout for tomorrow!

Sorry Sorry  :devil: . I just give Arg a little sprinkle

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2011, 06:17:08 PM
seriously if Macherano foul was cardable then the foul on Messi for the Tevez freekick should have been a card too
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 16, 2011, 06:26:08 PM
Very tense game...

Both teams look likely to score every time they go forward. 

Muslera having the game of his life damn!!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 16, 2011, 06:27:44 PM
Momentum shifting toward Argentina...Uruguay legs looking more tired - playing with 10 for a long time. 
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2011, 06:29:49 PM
I eh see one man get foul so much in a game since Maradona vs Korea 86
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 16, 2011, 06:35:09 PM
I eh see one man get foul so much in a game since Maradona vs Korea 86

Uruguay bun...is kick dong man, defend fuh yuh life, hoof the ball forward to Forlan and hope for penalties...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on July 16, 2011, 06:43:15 PM
Is what Argentina have to do again to score??!!  Assassinate de Uruguayan goalie??!!  Geez and ages!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 16, 2011, 06:44:57 PM
 :heehee:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on July 16, 2011, 06:46:28 PM
ssssssttttteeeeuuuuppppssss!!!!!   At the start of this game I didn't see it going down to penalties....... :banginghead: :frustrated:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2011, 06:48:51 PM
the form Uruguay keeper in look out
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 16, 2011, 06:51:34 PM
Come on Messi kiss dat argie badge!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 16, 2011, 06:54:43 PM
It good! Couldn't happen to a nicer fella!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on July 16, 2011, 06:54:57 PM
Yep dey shoulda shoot him when dey had the chance......steups!!  
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 16, 2011, 06:57:38 PM
:devil:  :rotfl: watch and see , my goat mouth doh make joke 10 v 10 now

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Z6OyJfBKnXk/SxX6moJDZOI/AAAAAAAAKGA/hkaCqsKjKG8/s400/goat+mouth.jpg)

 :shameonyou:
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Post by: giggsy11 on July 16, 2011, 06:58:26 PM
 :applause: :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 16, 2011, 06:58:59 PM
Man put that last penalty in the V yes...wow!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on July 16, 2011, 06:59:09 PM

:devil:  :rotfl: watch and see , my goat mouth doh make joke 10 v 10 now

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Z6OyJfBKnXk/SxX6moJDZOI/AAAAAAAAKGA/hkaCqsKjKG8/s400/goat+mouth.jpg)

 :shameonyou:


LOL  LOL   LOL    :rotfl:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Jah Gol on July 16, 2011, 07:00:42 PM
Hard luck to the Argies . Pks suck.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on July 16, 2011, 07:09:29 PM
Muslera won that game for his team his boss saves kept Uruguay in it. Something tells me a big club might try a last second bid for him before his transfer to turkey goes through.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on July 16, 2011, 07:20:07 PM
I have a real soft spot for Uruguay... that was some classy PK's.. that keeper real f**king save tonight

TEVEZZZZ HAHAHA  :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 16, 2011, 07:34:00 PM
Batista loss he wuk yet?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kaliman2006 on July 16, 2011, 08:06:18 PM
Argentina penalty luck ran out in Italia '90.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Mango Chow! on July 16, 2011, 08:31:21 PM
As disgusting as it was to watch suarez and, on a couple occasions,
even diego forlan, writhe around in excruciating agony upon the slightest contact to only spring up and c**tinue before the whistle could finish blow, ah hadda giddem dey pips on dem clinical PK's. The Argentinian din't stand much chance on any of them, as close as he came on one.  Muslera was simply superhuman tonight. I think he's been Uruguay's #1 since he's about 20 and he is worth his weight in gold. Tevez' penalty was ideally located for a 'keeper but it was hit with such power that you have to REL admire his quickness in getting across to it. He may have just guessed right, but it looked nice. 


Kaliman, you eh lie there ah-tall boy, you went way back on dah one....Argentina had gotten some rel heroics in 2 penalty shoot-outs from their one and only Sergio Goycochea, especially that
 similar performance he had against Italy as Muslera had tonight. Big up!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kaliman2006 on July 16, 2011, 08:51:02 PM
As disgusting as it was to watch suarez and, on a couple occasions,
even diego forlan, writhe around in excruciating agony upon the slightest contact to only spring up and c**tinue before the whistle could finish blow, ah hadda giddem dey pips on dem clinical PK's. The Argentinian din't stand much chance on any of them, as close as he came on one.  Muslera was simply superhuman tonight. I think he's been Uruguay's #1 since he's about 20 and he is worth his weight in gold. Tevez' penalty was ideally located for a 'keeper but it was hit with such power that you have to REL admire his quickness in getting across to it. He may have just guessed right, but it looked nice. 


Kaliman, you eh lie there ah-tall boy, you went way back on dah one....Argentina had gotten some rel heroics in 2 penalty shoot-outs from their one and only Sergio Goycochea, especially that
 similar performance he had against Italy as Muslera had tonight. Big up!

I know I just show mih age. It probably have people on this forum who were not even born yet when that world cup took place.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dumplingdinho on July 16, 2011, 08:53:51 PM
argentina deserve that licks, played with a 1 man advantage for a long time and they looked like it was 11 vs 11.  Muslera is a boss, like allyuh didnt watch the world cup, Forlan get nearly all the pips for Uruguay big run to the semis but Muslera and Lugano played some serious ball in that world cup.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 17, 2011, 12:06:00 AM
As disgusting as it was to watch suarez and, on a couple occasions,
even diego forlan, writhe around in excruciating agony upon the slightest contact to only spring up and c**tinue before the whistle could finish blow, ah hadda giddem dey pips on dem clinical PK's. The Argentinian din't stand much chance on any of them, as close as he came on one.  Muslera was simply superhuman tonight. I think he's been Uruguay's #1 since he's about 20 and he is worth his weight in gold. Tevez' penalty was ideally located for a 'keeper but it was hit with such power that you have to REL admire his quickness in getting across to it. He may have just guessed right, but it looked nice. 


Kaliman, you eh lie there ah-tall boy, you went way back on dah one....Argentina had gotten some rel heroics in 2 penalty shoot-outs from their one and only Sergio Goycochea, especially that
 similar performance he had against Italy as Muslera had tonight. Big up!

Forlan was not guilty of the acting I don't think- to me he had a picture perfect game... his technique is simply flawless....class as usual.  Muslera looked like Casillas tonight, pulling off some unbelievable stops - probably the game of his life...They def owe this victory to him...his penalty save was actually less impressive than some of his saves in the run of play. 

As for WC 1990, allyuh bring back real memories jed... Goyocochea was not a great GK technically but def made his name in the PK shootouts- The Arg - Italy game stood out more because the home tell fell, but to me Yugoslavia outplayed Argentina more so that Italy...The Italy game was the one game that Argentina actually played well after going behind relatively early....Argentina's blessing in disguise in that World Cup was Pumpido getting injured in the match against Cameroon (I think)...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 17, 2011, 12:42:26 AM
This is why I don't prognosticate. I said Colombia had a history of underachievers. Well, Peru did them in. After playing brilliantly in the 1st round, they allow Peru to sneak in 2 against them. But say wha, football is a cruel sport.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Mango Chow! on July 17, 2011, 05:48:59 AM
As disgusting as it was to watch suarez and, on a couple occasions,
even diego forlan, writhe around in excruciating agony upon the slightest contact to only spring up and c**tinue before the whistle could finish blow, ah hadda giddem dey pips on dem clinical PK's. The Argentinian din't stand much chance on any of them, as close as he came on one.  Muslera was simply superhuman tonight. I think he's been Uruguay's #1 since he's about 20 and he is worth his weight in gold. Tevez' penalty was ideally located for a 'keeper but it was hit with such power that you have to REL admire his quickness in getting across to it. He may have just guessed right, but it looked nice. 


Kaliman, you eh lie there ah-tall boy, you went way back on dah one....Argentina had gotten some rel heroics in 2 penalty shoot-outs from their one and only Sergio Goycochea, especially that
 similar performance he had against Italy as Muslera had tonight. Big up!

Forlan was not guilty of the acting I don't think- to me he had a picture perfect game... his technique is simply flawless....class as usual.  Muslera looked like Casillas tonight, pulling off some unbelievable stops - probably the game of his life...They def owe this victory to him...his penalty save was actually less impressive than some of his saves in the run of play. 

As for WC 1990, allyuh bring back real memories jed... Goyocochea was not a great GK technically but def made his name in the PK shootouts- The Arg - Italy game stood out more because the home tell fell, but to me Yugoslavia outplayed Argentina more so that Italy...The Italy game was the one game that Argentina actually played well after going behind relatively early....Argentina's blessing in disguise in that World Cup was Pumpido getting injured in the match against Cameroon (I think)...

It had one time dat Forlan was on de ground like somebody crush he ankle wit a sledgehammer and he was back up in no time flat...ah only say "a couple times" in case ah did miss anyting, but I agree dat Forlan wasn't playin' the foul game like stinkin'-ass suarez.
 
Speaking of Goycochea...if I remember correctly, I think he had saved 1 penalty against Yugoslavia and 2 against Italy (but I could be wrong) and that is what had impressed me. GK's ain't supposed to be under the same kind or amount of pressure as the kickers but they are in a situation where their teams/countries NEED them to pull off some unlikely magic and DAT is rel pressha. He coulda easily do like Petr Cech and just "guess" (wrong, every damned time) but he didn't and to do it against one team and then come right back next game and do it again to me was rel impressive.....but he was kinda unorthodox in trute.  :beermug:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: College on July 17, 2011, 05:56:18 AM
  
 

As for WC 1990, allyuh bring back real memories jed... Goyocochea was not a great GK technically but def made his name in the PK shootouts- The Arg - Italy game stood out more because the home tell fell, but to me Yugoslavia outplayed Argentina more so that Italy...The Italy game was the one game that Argentina actually played well after going behind relatively early....Argentina's blessing in disguise in that World Cup was Pumpido getting injured in the match against Cameroon (I think)...
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USSR
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Post by: Mango Chow! on July 17, 2011, 06:10:52 AM
 
 

As for WC 1990, allyuh bring back real memories jed... Goyocochea was not a great GK technically but def made his name in the PK shootouts- The Arg - Italy game stood out more because the home tell fell, but to me Yugoslavia outplayed Argentina more so that Italy...The Italy game was the one game that Argentina actually played well after going behind relatively early....Argentina's blessing in disguise in that World Cup was Pumpido getting injured in the match against Cameroon (I think)...

USSR
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Ah cyah remember which game it was in trute dat he did get injured but one ting in meh memory is fuh sure: any Argentinian dat made safely outta dat first game against Cameroon coulda consider dey self lucky. Dem African was playin' some seriously physical football and left dey mark in de history books in more ways than one that day. 
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dumplingdinho on July 17, 2011, 08:11:53 AM
suarez was real play acting but all players do it so i reach the point of not complaining anymore.  i wish fifa will try to do something like review fouls after game and men who playacting get fined.  once u start hitting their pockets they will think twice about playing de fool.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Mango Chow! on July 17, 2011, 09:02:19 AM
suarez was real play acting but all players do it so i reach the point of not complaining anymore.  i wish fifa will try to do something like review fouls after game and men who playacting get fined.  once u start hitting their pockets they will think twice about playing de fool.
It would never happen but I eh think issuing fines would hurt them players, they make too much munny, especially since is some of THE very top players (suarez, cronaldo, Drogba, gerrard, etc....) that does be leading the charge. They need to start suspending the players and hurting the teams. I feel if anything would work better, is dat.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dumplingdinho on July 17, 2011, 09:11:33 AM
suarez was real play acting but all players do it so i reach the point of not complaining anymore.  i wish fifa will try to do something like review fouls after game and men who playacting get fined.  once u start hitting their pockets they will think twice about playing de fool.
It would never happen but I eh think issuing fines would hurt them players, they make too much munny, especially since is some of THE very top players (suarez, cronaldo, Drogba, gerrard, etc....) that does be leading the charge. They need to start suspending the players and hurting the teams. I feel if anything would work better, is dat.

suspension might be more effective at the club level assuming they are not paid when suspended.  through the make a lot of money but i doubt they want to part with the money over play acting.

i doubt fifa will ever do anything so we just have to live with it.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: davidephraim on July 17, 2011, 10:11:01 AM
I glad Argentina Loss. Sorry Brown-Sugar. Maybe they needed some of you within their ranks to have a better solution. I'll back Pala Seco United over Argentina. Having said that.... Birchall had a nice game against Real Madrid.. Did I mention how much I dislike Argentina??? :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 17, 2011, 10:12:27 AM
 Argentina's blessing in disguise in that World Cup was Pumpido getting injured in the match against Cameroon (I think)...

USSR

Good call - thanks College.  :beermug:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Coop's on July 17, 2011, 10:51:30 AM
suarez was real play acting but all players do it so i reach the point of not complaining anymore.  i wish fifa will try to do something like review fouls after game and men who playacting get fined.  once u start hitting their pockets they will think twice about playing de fool.
It would never happen but I eh think issuing fines would hurt them players, they make too much munny, especially since is some of THE very top players (suarez, cronaldo, Drogba, gerrard, etc....) that does be leading the charge. They need to start suspending the players and hurting the teams. I feel if anything would work better, is dat.
       If we are going to suspend players for faking these fouls unnecessarily,you have to be prepared to suspend players who purposely come out to hurt other players.
       The other thing we have to take into consideration is,while these are big money players these are the players people paying their money to see,taking them out of games or regular suspensions will have an effect on the leagues so i guess it's something the various Leagues protecting. 
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bakes on July 17, 2011, 11:27:00 AM
suarez was real play acting but all players do it so i reach the point of not complaining anymore.  i wish fifa will try to do something like review fouls after game and men who playacting get fined.  once u start hitting their pockets they will think twice about playing de fool.

Allyuh realize dis was a "Copa America" tournament... right?  Dai'z how dem latins like to play, dey like it so so nutten will happen.  That is part of they "culture".
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 17, 2011, 12:02:07 PM
Allyuh realize dis was a "Copa America" tournament... right?  Dai'z how dem latins like to play, dey like it so so nutten will happen.  That is part of they "culture".

Funny you say that... and I get where you're coming from, but from what I remember diving became a major talking point in modern day football in the same World Cup 1990 that folks touched on in this thread, (the first world cup that I believe was significantly marred by play-acting and simulation) and the biggest perpetrators were the Germans.  Klinsmann was probably the first notorious diver in the modern game- Rudi Voeller to lesser extent.  Klinsmann even had a diving celebration which poked fun at himself when he played at Tottenham. 
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 17, 2011, 01:10:33 PM
Ah see James Brown took his hairstyle back from Robinho.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 17, 2011, 01:11:23 PM
Ah see James Brown took his hairstyle back from Robinho.

Yeah since last game lol
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 17, 2011, 01:33:50 PM
Straight in the family jewels!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Blue on July 17, 2011, 01:39:58 PM
this copa america has been the worst top-level football tournament in my lifetime. this brazil game is shockingly poor.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 17, 2011, 01:41:12 PM
this copa america has been the worst top-level football tournament in my lifetime. this brazil game is shockingly poor.

the football has a scrappyness to it I agree...The playing surfaces are awful too- wonder how much that has to do with it. 
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 17, 2011, 01:42:43 PM
Neymar look like he fraid he geh bat and he have the yips!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 17, 2011, 01:44:32 PM
Robinho need not get pick for Brasil again!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Mango Chow! on July 17, 2011, 01:45:22 PM
suarez was real play acting but all players do it so i reach the point of not complaining anymore.  i wish fifa will try to do something like review fouls after game and men who playacting get fined.  once u start hitting their pockets they will think twice about playing de fool.
It would never happen but I eh think issuing fines would hurt them players, they make too much munny, especially since is some of THE very top players (suarez, cronaldo, Drogba, gerrard, etc....) that does be leading the charge. They need to start suspending the players and hurting the teams. I feel if anything would work better, is dat.
       If we are going to suspend players for faking these fouls unnecessarily,you have to be prepared to suspend players who purposely come out to hurt other players.
       The other thing we have to take into consideration is,while these are big money players these are the players people paying their money to see,taking them out of games or regular suspensions will have an effect on the leagues so i guess it's something the various Leagues protecting. 

Well yeah, they keepin' profits going, but at the end of the day, the sport and its credibility are bigger than any player.  You can't have a governing body in fifa, professing all these virtues of life and "fighting racism" and promoting "fair play" and then NOT making positive changes to clean up a problem that is plaguing the sport.  There is already measures in place to deal with nasty tackling and break-foot play (except in England, it seems) but I would stop short of calling every break-foot tackle as being intentional. For the most part, though, players who commit rash challenges are punished.  
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 17, 2011, 01:48:10 PM
Robinho need not get pick for Brasil again!

Not just Robinho...plenty o' dem...Brazil and Argentina have been really disappointing - not only in the results but in their manner of play - lacking fluidity in a big way... And any team that comes up against them clearly comes out with the sole intention of breaking up their play and not letting them get a passing rhythm... so it makes the games even more difficult, particularly for the finesse players...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 17, 2011, 01:52:30 PM
Pompido get injured in game two versus USSR. The rest was penalty save history at a WC
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Andre DosSantos on July 17, 2011, 01:54:12 PM
Robinho need not get pick for Brasil again!

Not just Robinho...plenty o' dem...Brazil and Argentina have been really disappointing - not only in the results but in their manner of play - lacking fluidity in a big way... And any team that comes up against them clearly comes out with the sole intention of breaking up their play and not letting them get a passing rhythm... so it makes the games even more difficult, particularly for the finesse players...

do you know if ronaldinho's brasil team career is over?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 17, 2011, 01:55:08 PM
do you know if ronaldinho's brasil team career is over?

Don't know but it looks like it...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Blue on July 17, 2011, 01:59:42 PM
Robinho need not get pick for Brasil again!

Not just Robinho...plenty o' dem...Brazil and Argentina have been really disappointing - not only in the results but in their manner of play - lacking fluidity in a big way... And any team that comes up against them clearly comes out with the sole intention of breaking up their play and not letting them get a passing rhythm... so it makes the games even more difficult, particularly for the finesse players...

do you know if ronaldinho's brasil team career is over?

Ronaldinho is not rated as highly in Brazil as he is outside of it. There is no demand from Brazilians to have him back in de team. At the moment, he isnt even the starboy for Flamengo, plus he is back to his partying ways again - the club have setup a dedicated hotline for fans to dial in when they spot him at a nightclub  :rotfl:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Andre DosSantos on July 17, 2011, 02:01:36 PM
Robinho need not get pick for Brasil again!

Not just Robinho...plenty o' dem...Brazil and Argentina have been really disappointing - not only in the results but in their manner of play - lacking fluidity in a big way... And any team that comes up against them clearly comes out with the sole intention of breaking up their play and not letting them get a passing rhythm... so it makes the games even more difficult, particularly for the finesse players...

do you know if ronaldinho's brasil team career is over?

Ronaldinho is not rated as highly in Brazil as he is outside of it. There is no demand from Brazilians to have him back in de team. At the moment, he isnt even the starboy for Flamengo, plus he is back to his partying ways again - the club have setup a dedicated hotline for fans to dial in when they spot him at a nightclub  :rotfl:

oh shit i had no idea lol
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 17, 2011, 02:07:57 PM
Ronaldinho is not rated as highly in Brazil as he is outside of it. There is no demand from Brazilians to have him back in de team. At the moment, he isnt even the starboy for Flamengo, plus he is back to his partying ways again - the club have setup a dedicated hotline for fans to dial in when they spot him at a nightclub  :rotfl:

hilarious
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 17, 2011, 02:12:30 PM
That had to be the most dreadful free kick ever!!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Blue on July 17, 2011, 02:37:49 PM
Time for Fred to mash dem up
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 17, 2011, 02:40:14 PM
Kaka lookin healthy-time tuh bring him back into the side!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 17, 2011, 02:41:53 PM
Brazil can't buy one tonight...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 17, 2011, 03:12:17 PM
Big fight - both teams lose a man...Ref made no attempt to stop it, just stood on the side and watched who was throwing hand...I think he got it wrong anyway lol...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on July 17, 2011, 03:13:05 PM
A piece of wileness play off and both of dem pushing and shoving. When i ketch myself de ref outside hand on he hips taking in de drama.

One red each....10 v 10 now.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 17, 2011, 03:33:02 PM
Alright lets see who has what it takes to take and make these penalties!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 17, 2011, 03:39:13 PM
WTF Elano?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 17, 2011, 03:39:20 PM
Aye boy-like Elano spend to much time in England or he play for the US women?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 17, 2011, 03:40:24 PM
Every man throwin' away and blamin' the penalty spot lol
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 17, 2011, 03:41:09 PM
These penalties wuss than the USA-Japan game.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Blue on July 17, 2011, 03:41:59 PM
They should eliminate both teams
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kaliman2006 on July 17, 2011, 03:42:20 PM
Aye boy-like Elano spend to much time in England or he play for the US women?

Fuh real

Daiz two up, two missed.

Thing is Paraguay eh doing any better.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 17, 2011, 03:42:33 PM
These penalties wuss than the USA-Japan game.

ent lol... real mess...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 17, 2011, 03:43:51 PM
Wha goin' fuh real?

I love Brazil football but I real laughin' here...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kaliman2006 on July 17, 2011, 03:44:17 PM
Like Brazil eh know how to take penalties or what?

Dis team has lost their mojo (if they ever had it)
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 17, 2011, 03:44:22 PM
The field is crap though. I guess Paraguay accustomed to playing in savannah and cow pastures.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 17, 2011, 03:45:44 PM
Excellent!!

(http://synthesis.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/emperor.jpg)

Now I could eat the curry goat
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 17, 2011, 03:46:40 PM
Ah feel some of dem South Americans who playin in Europe lost some of the basics that lead tuh dem gettin big time moves overseas. Especially dem Brasilians- dey seem tuh be gettin worse as the years go on. Embarrasment to the shirt! Now dey can go lime on the beach until dey have tuh meet up with dey clubs!

Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 17, 2011, 03:47:09 PM
That was easily the most bizarre penalty shootout I have ever seen...ever!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: mukumsplau on July 17, 2011, 03:47:17 PM
my word...brasil brasil brasil...like d argies rig dat pitch...some of d most shameful pk taking ive ever seen
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kaliman2006 on July 17, 2011, 03:48:02 PM
Did Brazil play today?

Or are those players in yellow shirts impostors?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Andre DosSantos on July 17, 2011, 03:48:18 PM
Ah feel some of dem South Americans who playin in Europe lost some of the basics that lead tuh dem gettin big time moves overseas. Especially dem Brasilians- dey seem tuh be gettin worse as the years go on. Embarrasment to the shirt! Now dey can go lime on the beach until dey have tuh meet up with dey clubs!



i am guessing paraguay just won?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: mukumsplau on July 17, 2011, 03:48:25 PM
The field is crap though. I guess Paraguay accustomed to playing in savannah and cow pastures.

dis statement in sync wit yuh name...yuh rel bitta
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 17, 2011, 03:51:06 PM
I looking for a Venezuela - Uruguay final
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Coop's on July 17, 2011, 03:51:54 PM
We have to give credit to the Paraguay GK but at the same time i think that Brazillian Coach suspect.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on July 17, 2011, 03:52:26 PM
New Thread: Brazil Men Vs US Women in Penalties. Who winning?  :rotfl:  :rotfl:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 17, 2011, 03:52:38 PM
See allyuh in August when club football start....
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 17, 2011, 03:53:27 PM
We have to give credit to the Paraguay GK but at the same time i think that Brazillian Coach suspect.

The last good coach Brasil had was Scolari!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Peong on July 17, 2011, 03:58:27 PM
Brasil could not even score ONE penalty lol.
Argentina and Brasil fans will take solace in the fact that neither went further than the other.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Toppa on July 17, 2011, 04:09:56 PM
Wha goin' fuh real?

I love Brazil football but I real laughin' here...

Ditto!!
lmao
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 17, 2011, 04:55:34 PM
The socialists making me look good.
1-0
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 17, 2011, 05:36:11 PM
This second half is all Chile.
Venezuela just hanging on.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: fari on July 17, 2011, 05:51:34 PM
This second half is all Chile.
Venezuela just hanging on.

pressure does buss pipe...suazo with a golazo
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Toppa on July 17, 2011, 06:17:50 PM
lololol!!!

This Copa America is a classic!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 17, 2011, 06:22:21 PM
Well the summer football just full of upsets. Japan win. Brazil, Argentina,Chile out. Go Venezuela.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Socafan on July 17, 2011, 06:27:20 PM
WTF.......Argentina get eliminated by Uruguay, Brazil cyar kick a penalty to save they life and get eliminated like some clowns, Chile dominate game and get beaten by Venezuela , Rangers is now Queens Park :o. Like Kicker say, see allyuh when club football start back in August.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Peong on July 17, 2011, 08:01:37 PM
WTF.......Argentina get eliminated by Uruguay, Brazil cyar kick a penalty to save they life and get eliminated like some clowns, Chile dominate game and get beaten by Venezuela , Rangers is now Queens Park :o. Like Kicker say, see allyuh when club football start back in August.

Nah man, there's an u-20 WC this summer. 
"Colombia 2011"
July 29 - Aug 20
http://www.fifa.com/u20worldcup/index.html
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: jai john on July 17, 2011, 08:44:13 PM
have one for you tallman.... isnt the venezuelan Gabriel Cichero who scored the winner against chile earlier today  in the Copa america the same player who was for a time with super star Rangers ? Rangers jefe faKoory even had an issue of compensation lodged in FIFA as it was claimed that an agent stole him for a portguese club while he was at rangers and although it was claimed that they agreed to pay 1.5 million pounds ...no money was forthcoming .
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: jai john on July 17, 2011, 08:54:12 PM
wait nah is this di same Costa rica team dat collect 4 frm mexico in the gold cup? if so South america football stinking theese days...

war


Actually, as guest teams in this tournament, BOTH Mexico and Costa Rica are playing mostly with their U 23 players.

Given that, it's a tremendous performance from BOTH teams thus far in the Copa.

If a full strength Argentina cannot defeat a de facto Costa Rican U23 team AT HOME.....they don't deserve to be in the next round.  That simple.


Doh study we ...study that venezuela leading all yuh group and allyuh draw the two games as well . Doh try to sneak in here with Brazil performing poorly and just wash yuh mouth on Argentina. I had to admit we eh looking good before I could comment on any team ...
talk bout yuh side ....Pato...Neymar  Robinho ..ganso ...what happening ??? Give us a little info on how you see tings nah ....
fellas dis is juss me an Palos here eh ... is long time we have dis running battle. Palos telling me we go lorse the copa ...a whole year now ...Copa start ..nothing from Palos. If brazil was beating people ah was sure to get some talk, especially since we ress a hurtful loss on dem last time we met.
This is the biggest rivalry in international football ....... respeck to england vs germany ! everyonme waiting to see the battle .....I wish they noth make it of course ...just a certain Uruguay team have me a little worried ...


That last line above always had me concerned ..... The south american team with the best record at the last World cup proved that they are no flash in the pan . this tournament is producing many surprises but Uruguay is not one of them. I feel now that the guns are out Uruguay can go all the way. Strong defense will rule this tournament ...and when you have Diego Forlan, the last world cup's top scorer ...then you must be in the mix. Argentina still cannot defend and the coach will be asked many questions ...if he is around to answer.
How can a team with so many proven stars not deliver at home ?? Cant see him staying much longer...when the dust settles he may well be out.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Tallman on July 17, 2011, 08:57:33 PM
have one for you tallman.... isnt the venezuelan Gabriel Cichero who scored the winner against chile earlier today  in the Copa america the same player who was for a time with super star Rangers ? Rangers jefe faKoory even had an issue of compensation lodged in FIFA as it was claimed that an agent stole him for a portguese club while he was at rangers and although it was claimed that they agreed to pay 1.5 million pounds ...no money was forthcoming .

No, it was his brother Alejandro Cichero.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Andre on July 18, 2011, 06:52:44 AM
vennie vs. peru in the final...ah hope.

let the minnows rise.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: dinho on July 18, 2011, 08:11:29 AM
Fernando Muslera versus Argentina.

http://www.youtube.com/v/zL63vfrjlGs
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: mukumsplau on July 18, 2011, 01:57:27 PM
cheer up na brazilians...i think the pk takers were distracted..

(http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956419-2362-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956410-7354-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956420-6388-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956422-1593-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956423-6736-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956521-9079-atm14.jpg)
(http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956522-4842-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956523-5662-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956524-9961-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956527-9072-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956355-6265-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956358-5321-atm14.jpg)
(http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956369-1570-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956370-5302-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956373-7214-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956375-2486-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956376-7620-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956414-2639-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956511-0252-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956518-4847-atm14.jpg) (http://p2.trrsf.com/image/get?src=http%3A%2F%2Fvgn-live-mia.terra.com%2Fwebimg%2FArgentina%2FImagenes%2FDA%2F64%2FA1%2Frtrlfour689677-SOCCER-COPA20110717094021.jpg&o=s&w=619&h=464)  (http://p2.trrsf.com/image/get?src=http%3A%2F%2Fvgn-live-mia.terra.com%2Fwebimg%2FArgentina%2FImagenes%2F30%2FFE%2F82%2Frtrlfour689607-SOCCER-COPA20110717093758.jpg&o=s&w=619&h=464)
(http://www.mondo.rs/v2/view_photo.php?id=506269)
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 18, 2011, 02:50:22 PM
cheer up na brazilians...i think the pk takers were distracted..

(http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956419-2362-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956410-7354-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956420-6388-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956422-1593-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956423-6736-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956521-9079-atm14.jpg)
(http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956522-4842-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956523-5662-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956524-9961-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956527-9072-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956355-6265-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956358-5321-atm14.jpg)
(http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956369-1570-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956370-5302-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956373-7214-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956375-2486-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956376-7620-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956414-2639-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956511-0252-atm14.jpg) (http://img.terra.com.br/i/2011/07/17/1956518-4847-atm14.jpg) (http://p2.trrsf.com/image/get?src=http%3A%2F%2Fvgn-live-mia.terra.com%2Fwebimg%2FArgentina%2FImagenes%2FDA%2F64%2FA1%2Frtrlfour689677-SOCCER-COPA20110717094021.jpg&o=s&w=619&h=464)  (http://p2.trrsf.com/image/get?src=http%3A%2F%2Fvgn-live-mia.terra.com%2Fwebimg%2FArgentina%2FImagenes%2F30%2FFE%2F82%2Frtrlfour689607-SOCCER-COPA20110717093758.jpg&o=s&w=619&h=464)
(http://www.mondo.rs/v2/view_photo.php?id=506269)


Not missing out on Brasil 2014 at all! Can't miss the scenery! :devil:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: DeSoWa on July 18, 2011, 02:55:50 PM
That last pic caught me by surprise  ;D

Big Up!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 18, 2011, 03:02:20 PM
That last pic caught me by surprise  ;D

Big Up!

Oh my oh my  :angel: hmmmm
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: pecan on July 18, 2011, 03:14:53 PM
That last pic caught me by surprise  ;D

Big Up!

pleasant surprise I trust?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: capodetutticapi on July 18, 2011, 04:03:57 PM
ah feelin fuh some milk
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: DeSoWa on July 18, 2011, 04:08:03 PM
That last pic caught me by surprise  ;D

Big Up!

pleasant surprise I trust?

You did not see that big smile at the end of my statement? actually my mouth is still open!  :devil:

Big Up!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bakes on July 18, 2011, 04:17:00 PM


Not missing out on Brasil 2014 at all! Can't miss the scenery! :devil:

At least now we know which team you playing for.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: College on July 18, 2011, 04:26:51 PM


Not missing out on Brasil 2014 at all! Can't miss the scenery! :devil:

At least now we know which team you playing for.

Why not both?... just saying   :devil:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 18, 2011, 05:07:49 PM
We have to give credit to the Paraguay GK but at the same time i think that Brazillian Coach suspect.

The last good coach Brasil had was Scolari!

The same Scolari who lost to Honduras in the Copa America  ;D and then went on to win the WC. remeber everybody wanted his head after that.
 
It will take time. Brazil are building for 2014 and as I indicated earlier they need a genuine striker #9 to play with Pato (who is still developing).
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: frico on July 18, 2011, 06:04:08 PM
Some ah you blokes only think about "punani" non stop,its nice though. ;D
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: truetrini on July 18, 2011, 11:24:06 PM
Some ah you blokes only think about "punani" non stop,its nice though. ;D

nobody here thinking about you yuh dutty cyat hole.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: soccerman on July 18, 2011, 11:44:36 PM


Not missing out on Brasil 2014 at all! Can't miss the scenery! :devil:

At least now we know which team you playing for.

Why not both?... just saying   :devil:

:beermug:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: frico on July 19, 2011, 02:36:00 AM
Some ah you blokes only think about "punani" non stop,its nice though. ;D

nobody here thinking about you yuh dutty cyat hole.
Do you think anybody is thinking about you,you ignorant little misfit get back in yuh little hovel wherever that maybe.Do you know that you could be cured of that disease you suffer with,some psychoanalysis will do you well.Now go back and play wid yuhself,no punani for you,jess look pon picture.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: truetrini on July 19, 2011, 06:27:38 AM
Some ah you blokes only think about "punani" non stop,its nice though. ;D

nobody here thinking about you yuh dutty cyat hole.
Do you think anybody is thinking about you,you ignorant little misfit get back in yuh little hovel wherever that maybe.Do you know that you could be cured of that disease you suffer with,some psychoanalysis will do you well.Now go back and play wid yuhself,no punani for you,jess look pon picture.

Your insipid attempts to sound JAMAICAN AND West Indian by extension shows what a FAKE YOU ARE.   Trini doh say look PON nutten neither do we refer to nanny as punani....shut yuh trap and stay in yuh big house with 2 bathrooms...one upstairs and one downstairs.   You could only wish to reside in my hovel, even if for one day!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bakes on July 19, 2011, 07:03:44 AM
Went tuh ah football thread tuh watch woman and ah fight break out... allyuh men is de greates yes, lol
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 19, 2011, 09:59:07 AM


Not missing out on Brasil 2014 at all! Can't miss the scenery! :devil:

At least now we know which team you playing for.

Why not both?... just saying   :devil:

College sweetie, why don't you try the other side of 'both' and then report back to me. Just saying :devil:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: frico on July 19, 2011, 10:43:10 AM
Trinity Cross you were the one who started all this shit awrite,you describe Shepherds Bush as a rubbish place making out I came from the slums.WTF yuh think,do you think I wouldn't respond,that is why I had to let yuh rass know a ting or two.I also went to school in West London and 20% of the kids were of Caribbean heritage most of them were of Jamaican background,its only natural that I learnt the lingo,I dont pretend to be Jamaican, when ever I speak it people from Jamaica ask if i am Jamaican.
Now kerry yuh licky licky rass and labberjuice yuh gal,how is that fuh ah likkle Jumere-kan.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 19, 2011, 12:00:04 PM
Trinity Cross you were the one who started all this shit awrite,you describe Shepherds Bush as a rubbish place making out I came from the slums.WTF yuh think,do you think I wouldn't respond,that is why I had to let yuh rass know a ting or two.I also went to school in West London and 20% of the kids were of Caribbean heritage most of them were of Jamaican background,its only natural that I learnt the lingo,I dont pretend to be Jamaican, when ever I speak it people from Jamaica ask if i am Jamaican.
Now kerry yuh licky licky rass and labberjuice yuh gal,how is that fuh ah likkle Jumere-kan.

So where exactly are you from? the U.K?

What then is your fixation with antagonizing T&T football fans?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: frico on July 19, 2011, 12:14:42 PM
Kicker:
 I live in Richmond Twickenham;to be honest I am not trying to antagonize anybody but this labbermout trying to antagonize me long time now.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: pecan on July 19, 2011, 12:24:07 PM
Kicker:
 I live in Richmond Twickenham;to be honest I am not trying to antagonize anybody but this labbermout trying to antagonize me long time now.

really?

what about these posts from the Japan USA thread?

Ah feel if ah was ever to manage a ooman team me ah jess look fuh lezzers to play coz dem like fi do man tings,yuh cyah train pure gal fi do man ting properly.

or this one?

Its only women's football and it has some way to go before people get emotional about it,its still bloody novelty as far as plenty people are concerned,so no fuss...PLEASE.

sorry if I mistook those posts as being provocative, chauvinistic and misogynistic.

If you wanted to debate the merits of woman football, then do so.  No need to make those comments.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: frico on July 19, 2011, 04:07:19 PM
Ah dont see why allyuh getting so het up bout them comments because dem kindah chat take place between men on a regular basis,its just light hearted fun and yuh know what,I think its a good bloody idea,now go cry in a corner.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: pecan on July 19, 2011, 04:44:41 PM
Ah dont see why allyuh getting so het up bout them comments because dem kindah chat take place between men on a regular basis,its just light hearted fun and yuh know what,I think its a good bloody idea,now go cry in a corner.

true dat ... that talk does occur, I guilty of that.  But for some reason, when you say it, it doh sound like ole talk.  It seems to convey more than ole talk. As if you pretending to make light of it to mask your true nature.  That is what it looks like. But it hard to discern a person's true nature on a chat forum.

Yuh know, is like telling a racist joke. It is no longer a joke when the teller believes what they saying.

Any way, I gorn to cry in a corner.

Later
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: DeSoWa on July 19, 2011, 04:53:04 PM
Ah dont see why allyuh getting so het up bout them comments because dem kindah chat take place between men on a regular basis,its just light hearted fun and yuh know what,I think its a good bloody idea,now go cry in a corner.

true dat ... that talk does occur, I guilty of that.  But for some reason, when you say it, it doh sound like ole talk.  It seems to convey more than ole talk. As if you pretending to make light of it to mask your true nature.  That is what it looks like. But it hard to discern a person's true nature on a chat forum.

Yuh know, is like telling a racist joke. It is no longer a joke when the teller believes what they saying.

Any way, I gorn to cry in a corner.

Later

Is not only that, is the timing...you know it have ah saying "there is a time and place for everything" this was not the time and definitely not the place for that chupid talk!

Big Up!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 19, 2011, 05:16:41 PM
Making them kind of chauvinistic jokes , not particularly funny to me nah. As alyuh say it was bad timing



Yuh know, is like telling a racist joke. It is no longer a joke when the teller believes what they saying.

Any way, I gorn to cry in a corner.

Later

agreed
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 19, 2011, 06:44:30 PM
Soooo who will get the Goat tonight  :devil: . Ah backing Peru  :whistling: cough**
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 19, 2011, 06:51:56 PM
It seems this tournament has become an after thought/anti -climatic!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 19, 2011, 07:02:01 PM
Soooo who will get the Goat tonight  :devil: . Ah backing Peru  :whistling: cough**

Peru good for 2 in the first half.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 19, 2011, 07:07:40 PM
It seems this tournament has become an after thought/anti -climatic!

Well all the Brazil/Argentina waggonists gone. But the football lovers still here. I still backing my Venezuela - Uruguay final
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on July 19, 2011, 07:23:25 PM
I have mih TV on but not really watching.....good game or Uruguay dominating??
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 19, 2011, 07:58:36 PM
Took them long enough. 1-0 Uru
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kaliman2006 on July 19, 2011, 07:59:14 PM
I have mih TV on but not really watching.....good game or Uruguay dominating??

Suarez just scored off the rebound from a Forlan bullet.

1-0 Uruguay. Well derserved lead.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 19, 2011, 08:03:01 PM
2 nil suarez goal
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 19, 2011, 08:04:16 PM
Liverpool go be deadly this year boy!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Peong on July 19, 2011, 08:07:25 PM
That was a damn pretty pass by the ponytail man.
Suarez real wicked, he hit is just soft enough to give the defender hope but still score.
It would be great if Peru come back in this.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 19, 2011, 08:14:09 PM
waaay look at that elbow , straight red  :rotfl:
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Peong on July 19, 2011, 08:14:19 PM
So who here woulda give a red card for that elbow by Lugano?
I think he disguised it as unintentional very well.

Now a Peruvian get a straight red.
Look like elbow is the weapon of choice tonight.

Uruguay are through. 2-0
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on July 20, 2011, 05:06:53 AM
Liverpool go be deadly this year boy!!!!

So Deeks gauva season aint goin tuh be dat long afterall.... ;D
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Brownsugar on July 20, 2011, 05:32:10 AM
So the game ended 2 - 0??
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: injunchile on July 20, 2011, 05:39:37 AM
With Uruguay"s goalkeeper in that kind of form and with the two top men up front and Forlan"s deadly free kicks. It looks like Uruguay all the way. Iam still hopeful for Venezuela in the final. Now Venezuela is a team we must play.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on July 20, 2011, 06:55:54 AM
look how Venezuela improve....nah.

not too long ago.....dem was ah nobody in South America....

ah wonder if WIM coaching dem
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: jr sams on July 20, 2011, 06:59:36 AM
With Uruguay"s goalkeeper in that kind of form and with the two top men up front and Forlan"s deadly free kicks. It looks like Uruguay all the way. Iam still hopeful for Venezuela in the final. Now Venezuela is a team we must play.
I saw Venezuela play in the earlier games and I was impressed with the overall play. They pass well and have some skill. Now I did not see the Chile game though I hear the latter dominated. I agree, this team would definitely be a good test for TnT and we should not have an issue setting a few friendlies up given the close proximity.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 20, 2011, 07:21:15 AM
Forlan jed...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 20, 2011, 09:31:02 AM
Check this eh. Uruguay has a population of 3.5 Million.
From that they win:
2 World Cups (Ok, that was waaaayyyy back in the day) with another 3 times in the top 4.
14 South American Championships with another 20 times in the top 4

Perhaps we should be looking at what they are doing with football, because it working.

Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on July 20, 2011, 08:08:04 PM
Ven vs Par is an example of why you cant have too many upsets in a tourney. When you get rid of all the talented teams and both teams are primarily counter teams the game is awful. Uruguay can get away with bossing some games cause the have 2 world class players but Paraguay and Venezuela got none. I guess at this point Uruguay will deserve the Copa if the win the final. :-\
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Andre on July 20, 2011, 08:25:16 PM
vennie vs. paraguay = borefest as expected.

i switching over to FSC for man u vs seattle.

real madrid vs. chiva @ 11 too on espn2/3
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 20, 2011, 08:26:43 PM
Dynamite, talented teams you say!!! They get they got beaten good and proper. Ven is not playing badly.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 20, 2011, 08:37:34 PM
The problem with this game is not that both teams are poor. After all, they had to win to get here. But they've both decided to play not to lose. An early goal would have made all the difference.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: soccerman on July 20, 2011, 08:49:16 PM
Let's see if extra time brings more excitement
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on July 20, 2011, 08:50:37 PM
True i guess i didnt respect the fact that they got here. I really was hoping Paraguay would play the 3 strikers and attack in this game from the start but they kinda disappointed me.  Course it dont help that Santa Cruz always getting injured.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: soccerman on July 20, 2011, 08:55:25 PM
Venezuela real unlucky jed
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 20, 2011, 09:00:18 PM
Venezuela real unlucky jed

Ent!

Paraguay down to 10. Engage defense level 10!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Andre on July 20, 2011, 09:05:27 PM
michael owen 1 - seattle sounders 0 (HT)

a goal at last!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: soccerman on July 20, 2011, 09:22:04 PM
michael owen 1 - seattle sounders 0 (HT)

a goal at last!

Hahahaha good for him....right now is pk's over here
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Andre on July 20, 2011, 09:36:27 PM
i check it. hard luck vennies. they is definitely the best team in the "southern caribbean" region now.

so paraguay in the final without winning a game yet.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kaliman2006 on July 20, 2011, 09:36:37 PM
Very well taken penalties by Paraguay. All of their kickers went for power Venezuela's penalties were very good also with the exception of the third one.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on July 20, 2011, 09:37:14 PM
Paraguay played for penals for the 2nd straight game and won both. I hope Uruguay gave them a cut ass on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Andre on July 20, 2011, 09:38:02 PM
post game fight. finally something interesting.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kaliman2006 on July 20, 2011, 09:39:13 PM
Paraguay played for penals for the 2nd straight game and won both. I hope Uruguay gave them a cut ass on Sunday.

I'm not really a big Uruguay fan, but I will take the lesser of two evils on Sunday. Go Uruguay.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: soccerman on July 20, 2011, 09:40:23 PM
Yea hardluck Ven...good pk shootout nonetheless
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 20, 2011, 09:43:23 PM
What!!! Fight!. Uraguay v Paraguay!!. Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! What a great final it will be.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: fatimarima on July 20, 2011, 10:30:05 PM
seattle get blow out 7-0 from Man U.
 Chivas vs Real Madrid still at 0-0 with 61mins gone in the game
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: fatimarima on July 20, 2011, 10:46:53 PM
vennie vs. paraguay = borefest as expected.

i switching over to FSC for man u vs seattle.

real madrid vs. chiva @ 11 too on espn2/3

Man U  buss up Seattle 7-0,   and right now real madrid bussin up chivas 2-0..ronaldo with 2 goals in three minutes....probably more goals to come....79mins into the game
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: fatimarima on July 20, 2011, 10:49:50 PM
real madrid leading 3-0 now...hat trick Ronaldo
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: injunchile on July 21, 2011, 06:50:29 AM
Guess what some of these jokey commentators said that MLS could compete with the best leagues in the world.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: fari on July 21, 2011, 07:05:48 AM
Guess what some of these jokey commentators said that MLS could compete with the best leagues in the world.

them must be getting pay to say that isht
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 21, 2011, 07:14:44 AM
Copa format is flawed....

Imagine Paraguay hasn't played anyone that wasn't in their original grouping....
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 21, 2011, 07:16:48 AM
Guess what some of these jokey commentators said that MLS could compete with the best leagues in the world.

I think the MLS has gotten worse over the past 3 seasons or so.  It started off terrible, then had a steep learning curve, and now it's kinda topped off and possibly declining relative to competitive football around the globe....It's too insular to grow in quality.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 21, 2011, 08:15:10 AM
The problem with this game is not that both teams are poor. After all, they had to win to get here. But they've both decided to play not to lose. An early goal would have made all the difference.
Actually, Paraguay is in the final and hasn't won a single game this tournament. All penalties.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Tenorsaw on July 21, 2011, 09:16:43 AM
Guess what some of these jokey commentators said that MLS could compete with the best leagues in the world.

I think the MLS has gotten worse over the past 3 seasons or so.  It started off terrible, then had a steep learning curve, and now it's kinda topped off and possibly declining relative to competitive football around the globe....It's too insular to grow in quality.

Yep...the economic policies implemented to preserve the league also act as a way to limit the inflow of foreign talent that may very well get thel MLS to the next level.  And I'm not talking bout bringing in one man and paying him what the rest of players combined make.  They could do a better job of scouting emerging talent.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: palos on July 21, 2011, 10:19:23 AM
The problem with this game is not that both teams are poor. After all, they had to win to get here. But they've both decided to play not to lose. An early goal would have made all the difference.
Actually, Paraguay is in the final and hasn't won a single game this tournament. All penalties.

Go back to World Cups.....

In 1998 Paraguay drew their first 2 opening round matches 0-0 against Bolivia and Spain respecitively and then beat an already qualified Nigeria 3-1 to go through to the quarter finals.  They lost to France on a golden goal from Laurent Blanc.

In 2002 they drew their first game against South Africa 2-2, then lost to Spain 3-1 before defeating Slovenia 3-1 in their final 1st round match.  They lost 1-0 on a goal in the 88th minute against Germany in the quarter final

In 2006 in Germany, the only match they won was against T&T and lost the other 2.

In 2010 in South Africa they tied 1-1 with Italy, beat Slovenia 2-0 and tied 0-0 with New Zealand in the first round.  They beat Japan on penalties in the 2nd round and lost 1-0 to Spain in the quarters.

That is how Paraguay plays.  Very tough defensively and if they don't get you on the counter....they will try to win on penalties.

Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: injunchile on July 21, 2011, 11:07:29 AM
Maybe that is.how we will go to Brazil. Then again Gally would say that is not how we play/
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Tenorsaw on July 21, 2011, 11:33:27 AM
The problem with this game is not that both teams are poor. After all, they had to win to get here. But they've both decided to play not to lose. An early goal would have made all the difference.
Actually, Paraguay is in the final and hasn't won a single game this tournament. All penalties.

Go back to World Cups.....

In 1998 Paraguay drew their first 2 opening round matches 0-0 against Bolivia and Spain respecitively and then beat an already qualified Nigeria 3-1 to go through to the quarter finals.  They lost to France on a golden goal from Laurent Blanc.

In 2002 they drew their first game against South Africa 2-2, then lost to Spain 3-1 before defeating Slovenia 3-1 in their final 1st round match.  They lost 1-0 on a goal in the 88th minute against Germany in the quarter final

In 2006 in Germany, the only match they won was against T&T and lost the other 2.

In 2010 in South Africa they tied 1-1 with Italy, beat Slovenia 2-0 and tied 0-0 with New Zealand in the first round.  They beat Japan on penalties in the 2nd round and lost 1-0 to Spain in the quarters.

That is how Paraguay plays.  Very tough defensively and if they don't get you on the counter....they will try to win on penalties.



I was telling a brethren this morning that they are very disciplined. Not the most attractive style or talented team, but they play on the counter.  They exhibit a sort of discipline that is not typical of the teams in their region.  This frustrates opponents.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 21, 2011, 11:51:51 AM
Go back to World Cups.....

In 1998 Paraguay drew their first 2 opening round matches 0-0 against Bolivia and Spain respecitively and then beat an already qualified Nigeria 3-1 to go through to the quarter finals.  They lost to France on a golden goal from Laurent Blanc.

In 2002 they drew their first game against South Africa 2-2, then lost to Spain 3-1 before defeating Slovenia 3-1 in their final 1st round match.  They lost 1-0 on a goal in the 88th minute against Germany in the quarter final

In 2006 in Germany, the only match they won was against T&T and lost the other 2.

In 2010 in South Africa they tied 1-1 with Italy, beat Slovenia 2-0 and tied 0-0 with New Zealand in the first round.  They beat Japan on penalties in the 2nd round and lost 1-0 to Spain in the quarters.

That is how Paraguay plays.  Very tough defensively and if they don't get you on the counter....they will try to win on penalties.


That is true but I think Dansteel was responding directly to Bitter saying "afterall they had to WIN to get there"...

Agree though - Paraguay is definitley one of the more pragmatic teams out there...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bourbon on July 21, 2011, 12:30:17 PM
Saw  this  (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=es&tl=en&u=http://www.canchallena.com/1391242-se-viene-una-nueva-copa-america) on another forum. Sounds intriguing.

From Writing canchallena.com .- The economic interests of strong partnerships across the continent will start working from August at the possibility of constructing a new format for the 2015 Copa America, which includes 10 teams from CONMEBOL and six of the 40 that comprise the CONCACAF competition to form a structure similar to the Euro.

With a fresh history such as the Copa Libertadores for the clubs, the scene of the revamped competition selections involve the disappearance of the Gold Cup Concacaf, which would classify the champion for the Confederations Cup, but would move to Olympic numbered years to coincide with the dates of the tournament.

This will free up the odd years post World is made for the new America's Cup with 16 participants from the continent and no guests with a pre-qualifier for teams from North and the Caribbean to begin earlier this year.

"More than once we have talked and thought, why deny it? But we would have no objection to the CONCACAF's inauguration of the first stage," was the phrase of the Paraguayan Nicolas Leoz, president of CONMEBOL, who scored the first bridge colleagues Concacaf.

Alfredo Hawit, interim president of the Federation which brings together associations from the north, would have collected the views of different countries and in the period August / September will be several meetings with his counterparts from CONMEBOL to advance the project.

The main constraints are economic because that would open a business that now handle the main players in the areas of South America telecast, organization, merchandising, ticketing, among others, to reconcile with two ambitious and voracious markets like the U.S. and Mexico, which maintain his kingdom football in the north.

The first gesture, agreed in CONMEBOL, would be just to grant the possibility of organizing the next America's Cup to Mexico in 2015 instead of Brazil, which touch the alphabetical rotation that began in 1987 and Argentina in 2011 began his second back.

With the format with the South Americans in the head, 10 teams from CONMEBOL would directly entering the tournament and the 40 member associations would have a playoff Concacaf, which would exempt the first stages the largest in the region.

However, it is possible that use the ranking FIFA CONCACAF World Cup final to Brazil in 2014 to determine the top six ranked with automatic classification for the new America's Cup, to avoid filling the calendar of new parties.

Thus, as has happened slowly over the Copa Libertadores, CONMEBOL and CONCACAF down the path to a new America's Cup teams to bring together North and South, while maintaining the best South American qualifying for the FIFA Confederations Cup while Gold will continue to give the passport to the rest of the continent next year.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Deeks on July 21, 2011, 03:24:45 PM
Fine with me as long as the don't use FIFA rankings for the Conccaf 6.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 23, 2011, 05:21:06 PM
Ronaldinho party hotline

July 1, 2011
By Dominic Raynor
ESPN Soccernet

Off The Ball never rests in its mission to scratch around the underbelly of professional football to find the most bizarre, humorous and inexplicable stories.
Flamengo set-up Ronaldinho party hotline

When Ronaldinho arrived at Flamengo in January the club hailed it as a union of "the world's best with the greatest" but just six months on and the Rio side have taken the unusual step of creating a telephone hotline for disgruntled fans to report sightings of the wayward star partying.

Ronaldinho's recent performances have been met with boos from the stands - most noticeably in Sunday's goalless derby against Botafogo - so the club have urged the supporters to call the 'Disque-Dentuço' (Dial-Toothy) number if they see the former Brazil international out on the town.

The Samba-loving star was recently spotted at a nightclub at 5am, and photos of him playing footvolley on the beach were published after the disappointing draw against Botafogo. Club president Patricia Amorim said: "We always have concerns. We do not interfere in his personal life, but we have to worry, because we pay him a lot."

Hotline promoter Jose Carlos Peruano said on Tuesday that it would be kept open until Ronaldinho's performance on the pitch improved. By Thursday, Ronaldinho had scored two goals  in Flamengo's 3-2 win over America-MG at the Arena do Jacare. It seems to be working.

Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 23, 2011, 05:30:02 PM
Serious sex and spanner in one by Dinho!

http://youtu.be/U8WuOgsKly0
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: soccerman on July 24, 2011, 01:14:42 PM
Big Final on now
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: soccerman on July 24, 2011, 01:17:21 PM
Suarez goal....1-0
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kaliman2006 on July 24, 2011, 01:23:01 PM
Suarez goal....1-0

Now Paraguay actually has to come out of its defensive shell. It is good that Uruguay is 1-0 up and not Paraguay. If Paraguay was 1-0 up, they would simply sit back and try to defend the one goal lead.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: soccerman on July 24, 2011, 01:26:58 PM
Suarez goal....1-0

Now Paraguay actually has to come out of its defensive shell. It is good that Uruguay is 1-0 up and not Paraguay. If Paraguay was 1-0 up, they would simply sit back and try to defend the one goal lead.

Yes, should make for a better game now. They were already trying to kill time before the goal so now they'll have step up and press.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kaliman2006 on July 24, 2011, 01:37:32 PM
Suarez goal....1-0

Now Paraguay actually has to come out of its defensive shell. It is good that Uruguay is 1-0 up and not Paraguay. If Paraguay was 1-0 up, they would simply sit back and try to defend the one goal lead.

Yes, should make for a better game now. They were already trying to kill time before the goal so now they'll have step up and press.

Three Uruguayan players are already on yellow cards. Uruguay better relax with the heavy tackling or they could be down to 10 men pretty soon.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on July 24, 2011, 01:46:25 PM
I've always been a fan of Suarez but this guy is even surprising me right now. Easily the best player on the field right now. As I type D Forlan now score.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: fari on July 24, 2011, 01:46:39 PM
forlan....golazooooooooo
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on July 24, 2011, 01:47:22 PM
lord uraguay ripping up
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: soccerman on July 24, 2011, 01:47:37 PM
Forlan deadly boy
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 24, 2011, 02:24:40 PM
Forlan jed...Forlan jed!!

If Uruguay holds on for this yuh can't begrudge them being the undisputed no.1 team on the continent at the moment... 2nd tournament in a row where they've performed better than both of their more celebrated neighbours.

Paraguay right winger (no. 23) have some game... finding alot of room down the flank. 
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: soccerman on July 24, 2011, 02:32:44 PM
Paraguay now playing like dey want to score
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: soccerman on July 24, 2011, 02:34:51 PM
hmmm dat look like a push in the back to me....coulda been a penalty for Paraguay
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: fari on July 24, 2011, 02:36:00 PM
Paraguay now playing like dey want to score

they now start to play football...a pity they aint have more quality up top.    uruguay take off the #15 (i feel he woulda get a red card)
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: soccerman on July 24, 2011, 02:54:03 PM
Forlan again!!!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: kicker on July 24, 2011, 02:54:19 PM
Forlan....Forlan.....Forlan.....Forlan.....Forlan....Forlan....Forlan......
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: fari on July 24, 2011, 03:04:35 PM
forlan now saying his grandpa win it, his dad win it, and now he win it...wow!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bitter on July 24, 2011, 03:12:12 PM
Like everybody does get a small trophy.
Best defender, best goalie, player of the tournament...
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: soccerman on July 24, 2011, 03:17:55 PM
Like everybody does get a small trophy.
Best defender, best goalie, player of the tournament...
I missed it, who got player of the tournament and golden boots?
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Observer on July 24, 2011, 03:47:12 PM
Sensational Uruguay! Well Deserved! :applause: :applause:

Suarez is a pest. Dam! They should nick name him "blue fly"
Forlan is simply a great example of doing what ever it takes for the team.

Two very modern footballers in a well balanced and superbly organized team
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Bakes on July 24, 2011, 04:24:43 PM
Like everybody does get a small trophy.
Best defender, best goalie, player of the tournament...
I missed it, who got player of the tournament and golden boots?

Suarez get Player of the Tournament from what I could tell.  Only saw the last 10 mins... enough to see Suarez set up Forlan for the finale.  Very intelligent play by Forlan to check his run at the last minute.  I have to say, seeing Suarez in that uniform evokes some very bitter memories fuh me... same for Uruguay, but no denying the quality of football they playing right now.  Was nice to see a couple dark brown faces on the squad as well... a rarity for sub-Amazonian teams.  Suarez may turn out to be Liverpool's best signing in quite some time.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 24, 2011, 05:03:19 PM
Forlan = winner/team player! Congrasts to Uruguay!
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: Dansteel - The Iceman on July 24, 2011, 09:26:26 PM
Who does Paraguay #20 play for? A classic regista. If they had given him some midfield protection and wingers to play with from the start this woulda be a different game. When he had time on the ball in the second half Paraguay looked like they would drag themselves back into it.

Uruguay played a damn good game though. Managed it well tactically, Forlan and Suarez mash up and the third goal was a beautiful counterattack.
Title: Re: 2011 Copa America Thread.
Post by: ribbit on July 29, 2011, 09:57:32 AM
interesting theory on the roots of the vinotinto's success.

==

Venezuela’s Vinotinto: The New Vintage?
 (http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/venezuelas-vinotinto-the-new-vintage/?gwh=5BDE41A371835FBB767FF82444477E97)

By KEYVAN ANTONIO HEYDARI

Copa América in Argentina is over, Uruguay has taken home the trophy for the 15th time, and the rest of South America assesses whether the balance of soccer power has been altered. If so, the net winner is Venezuela, which was eliminated in the semifinals, on penalty kicks against Paraguay, without having lost a match.

“We deserved to be in the final, but there is nothing compared with being able to bring together 30 million people,” said Gabriel Cíchero (who played briefly for the Red Bulls of M.L.S. in 2008) upon arrival in Venezuela. Against Paraguay, Venezuela was inches away from the final. It beat Ecuador and Chile, and tied Brazil and Paraguay. Venezuela hit the woodwork twice in overtime and was one missed penalty kick from playing Uruguay in the final.

Coach César Farías was adamant, even after elimination by Paraguay and losing the third-place match to Peru, on demanding respect for South America’s historic whipping boy. The history of the national team of Venezuela, know as the Vinotinto, (because of their red, wine-colored jerseys) is thin, but brewing.

Economic policy was a cornerstone in this process. In the 1950s, as Chico Carrasquel became the first of many Venezuelan shortstops in the major leagues, the president Marcos Pérez Jiménez promoted highway and large infrastructure projects in Venezuela financed by the nation’s oil revenues. He encouraged immigration from Europe, and two generations after many laborers and professionals arrived in Venezuela from Italy, Portugal, Spain and the rest of South America to work, a soccer boom is paying dividends for the national team.

Venezuela’s best players tend to migrate to Argentina or Mexico. Some like standout defender Oswaldo Vizcarrondo (Deportivo Anzoátegui), play in Venezuelan clubs. Two cities near the Colombian border, San Cristóbal and Mérida, are hotbeds of soccer. Venezuela’s best player, Juan Arango, of Germany’s Borussia Mönchengladbach, has Colombian parents. Another standout born in Venezuela, Jeffrén Suárez,,is a substitute for Barcelona who has decided to play for Spain’s youth national teams.

Venezuela played its first World Cup qualifiers for England 1966 and lost all four matches. Then in 1967, Venezuela participated in its first Copa América. It beat Bolivia in its debut and then finished last in the next five editions of the tournament. This week, Venezuela jumped 29 spots in the latest FIFA world rankings, from No. 69 to No. 40, after its performance in the Copa.

Decades of frustration lifted in the qualifying campaign for Germany 2002, when the Vinotinto strung together victories over Uruguay, Chile, Peru and Paraguay and finished out of the South American basement for the first time. For Germany 2006, the Venezuelans improved one spot to the eighth place in qualifying, and repeated the same result as the 2010 qualifiers.

A great shift came in 2007, as the administration of President Hugo Chávez made that Copa held in Venezuela a showcase event. In 2009, Venezuela finally participated in its first World Cup, the U-20 World Cup in Egypt.

Venezuela, however, was swept up in the Copa América 2011. The streets of Caracas also were mirrors of the people’s interest with public spaces like Plazas Alfredo Sabel, Venezuela, Sucre and Miranda were full of fans watching the match.

Hugo Chávez, wrote from Cuba on his Twitter account during the semis, “Epa! Here, watching the great game. Nicolás is here, and it looks like Fidel is on his way to watch the game with us. We will survive and triumph!” After the loss on penalties, Chávez added, “Great Venezuela! Viva the fatherland.”

With Uruguay crowned as champions of the 2011 edition, Venezuelans beamed with pride and bristled with disappointment.

“We felt we should have done more. We should have been in the final. The world knows that now in South America, there is another team to reckon with,” Farías said. “A team with quality, that is not afraid of anyone and will fight. Maybe we’ll have the satisfaction of reaching Brazil 2014.”

Giancarlo Maldonado, the former Chivas USA forward whose father Carlos was born in Uruguay but also played for Venezuela, told ESPN Deportes: “I think the desire, sacrifice and togetherness we have in this group the last two years is marvelous. We have sacrificed family, friends and many shortened their vacations. Each time we get closer, and we hope it will be the perfect opportunity to be in a World Cup.”

The World Cup qualifiers start in October. Since Brazil gets an automatic bid, there will be five other South American countries attempting to qualify. Could it be a celebration in 2014 with wine, Vinotinto perhaps? In August, Venezuela will play friendlies in Washington (El Salvador) and Miami (Honduras) as preparation for the qualifiers.

Keyvan Antonio Heydari writes about international soccer. You can follow him on Twitter at keyvan9

Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on January 30, 2012, 12:13:37 PM
At this point it looks like it will happen the only question is weather we will be there.

The president of the Ecuadorean soccer federation, whose brother is on the CONMEBOL executive committee, told Mexican media that the USA is a potential candidate to host the 2016 Copa América in celebration of the South American confederation's 100-year anniversary.

"We are going to have the opening so that it's not held in one of the 10 countries of South America. It could be Mexico and it could be the United States as well," said Luis Chiriboga.

Chiriboga noted that the special edition of the 2016 Copa América would feature 16 teams: 10 from South America and six from CONCACAF. Apparently there would be a qualification process to determine the six CONCACAF nations.

Four groups of four teams with Argentina, Brazil, Mexico and the USA in separate groups? Fans will flock.

If US fans thought that was big news, the Ecuadorean chief also mentioned that the US would likely get an inivitation to participate in the 2015 Copa América in Brazil.

"I have no doubt that the obstacles [in CONCACAF] are being overcome," said Chiriboga. "Mexico's invitation has never been in question. Of the two teams we invite, one is Mexico and the other could be the United States or Japan."

Imagine this schedule for the USMNT: 2014 World Cup in Brazil, 2015 Copa América in Brazil and the 2016 Copa América on US soil. Something tells me Jurgen Klinsmann is not the type to decline these kind of invites.


http://www.mlssoccer.com/blog/smorgasborg/2012/01/27/no-world-cup-theres-always-copa-america
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: frico on January 30, 2012, 12:26:31 PM
Will this actually raise our standard of football or will it serve to show how much behind we are? If our standard right now is below Grenada when it comes to  qualifying out of all the Caribbean countries for the Gold Cup and if we cannot get up to standard to  do better in WC qualifying, how will we strive to make  gains in a  more competitive expanded zone?
It will definitely raise our standard just look at Venezuela we used to be far ahead of them now look at them,we cant touch them at this time.The thing is it wont do anything bad for our boys they can only learn from playing superior opposition.
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: fitzinho on January 30, 2012, 01:06:22 PM
This will only raise the standard of our football if we do what is necessary to improve our game...a tournament doesn't make u better.
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: truetrini on January 30, 2012, 02:27:39 PM
Will this actually raise our standard of football or will it serve to show how much behind we are? If our standard right now is below Grenada when it comes to  qualifying out of all the Caribbean countries for the Gold Cup and if we cannot get up to standard to  do better in WC qualifying, how will we strive to make  gains in a  more competitive expanded zone?
It will definitely raise our standard just look at Venezuela we used to be far ahead of them now look at them,we cant touch them at this time.The thing is it wont do anything bad for our boys they can only learn from playing superior opposition.

Stick to hop scotch buller!
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Deeks on January 30, 2012, 03:24:05 PM
Will this actually raise our standard of football or will it serve to show how much behind we are? If our standard right now is below Grenada when it comes to  qualifying out of all the Caribbean countries for the Gold Cup and if we cannot get up to standard to  do better in WC qualifying, how will we strive to make  gains in a  more competitive expanded zone?
It will definitely raise our standard just look at Venezuela we used to be far ahead of them now look at them,we cant touch them at this time.The thing is it wont do anything bad for our boys they can only learn from playing superior opposition.

Frico, I eh sure about that one. Venezuela was the doormat of Conmebol. TT was never better than Venezuela in football.
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on January 30, 2012, 03:24:53 PM
Will this actually raise our standard of football or will it serve to show how much behind we are? If our standard right now is below Grenada when it comes to  qualifying out of all the Caribbean countries for the Gold Cup and if we cannot get up to standard to  do better in WC qualifying, how will we strive to make  gains in a  more competitive expanded zone?
It will definitely raise our standard just look at Venezuela we used to be far ahead of them now look at them,we cant touch them at this time.The thing is it wont do anything bad for our boys they can only learn from playing superior opposition.

Stick to hop scotch buller!
bwda :rotfl:
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Mose on January 30, 2012, 03:37:23 PM
Will this actually raise our standard of football or will it serve to show how much behind we are? If our standard right now is below Grenada when it comes to  qualifying out of all the Caribbean countries for the Gold Cup and if we cannot get up to standard to  do better in WC qualifying, how will we strive to make  gains in a  more competitive expanded zone?
It will definitely raise our standard just look at Venezuela we used to be far ahead of them now look at them,we cant touch them at this time.The thing is it wont do anything bad for our boys they can only learn from playing superior opposition.

Frico, I eh sure about that one. Venezuela was the doormat of Conmebol. TT was never better than Venezuela in football.
Dat is the point though. Since Conmebol switched to a round robin World Cup qualifying format and Venezuela started getting some regular games against quality opposition the standard of their football has improved to where they are no longer the doormats and IIRC have managed several significant upsets. I think it would be good for us but first we'd have to qualify for the tournament. And seeing as how we having trouble making de Gold Cup...
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Deeks on January 30, 2012, 03:43:19 PM
Will this actually raise our standard of football or will it serve to show how much behind we are? If our standard right now is below Grenada when it comes to  qualifying out of all the Caribbean countries for the Gold Cup and if we cannot get up to standard to  do better in WC qualifying, how will we strive to make  gains in a  more competitive expanded zone?
It will definitely raise our standard just look at Venezuela we used to be far ahead of them now look at them,we cant touch them at this time.The thing is it wont do anything bad for our boys they can only learn from playing superior opposition.

Frico, I eh sure about that one. Venezuela was the doormat of Conmebol. TT was never better than Venezuela in football.
Dat is the point though. Since Conmebol switched to a round robin World Cup qualifying format and Venezuela started getting some regular games against quality opposition the standard of their football has improved to where they are no longer the doormats and IIRC have managed several significant upsets. I think it would be good for us but first we'd have to qualify for the tournament. And seeing as how we having trouble making de Gold Cup...

The Venezuela government under Chavez pumped money into football, hence their their gigantic improve.
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: truetrini on January 30, 2012, 04:10:13 PM
when were we ever so far ahead of Venezuela is the point!
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Deeks on January 30, 2012, 05:04:40 PM
when were we ever so far ahead of Venezuela is the point!

I far as I know we never played Ven. much in football. If we played them 10 times that is plenty. I remember in 71 or 72 Ven. send team to TT on a goodwill tour. They send university students thinking they could walk over Trini. But they got a rude awakening. The three games ended in lopsided wins for Trini. Well, suffice to say to least,  the Venezuelans were embarassed and invited us to Ven. We went with there and lost both games. This time they used their pros. I remember one score was 3-1. We had basically and all amateur team. I know we have played them a couple of times again, but I could not tell the results
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: truetrini on January 30, 2012, 05:27:53 PM
dat is why day buller frico needs to stick to floral arrangement and hop scotch and tiddly winks 
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Deeks on January 30, 2012, 08:31:07 PM
They will use the Gold Cup as a qualification for the  6 to play with Conmebol. The 4 that make the 1/4 finals and the next 2 with the best record. Rocket science! But if the US going to host it then 5 will be fighting for the qualification. If they decide that US/Mex are co-host, then is 4.
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: soccerman on January 30, 2012, 09:44:45 PM
They will use the Gold Cup as a qualification for the  6 to play with Conmebol. The 4 that make the 1/4 finals and the next 2 with the best record. Rocket science! But if the US going to host it then 5 will be fighting for the qualification. If they decide that US/Mex are co-host, then is 4.
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Then it will be us and 3 others, maybe Guyana might get a bly as well.
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Mose on January 31, 2012, 10:35:34 AM
They will use the Gold Cup as a qualification for the  6 to play with Conmebol. The 4 that make the 1/4 finals and the next 2 with the best record. Rocket science! But if the US going to host it then 5 will be fighting for the qualification. If they decide that US/Mex are co-host, then is 4.
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Then it will be us and 3 others, maybe Guyana might get a bly as well.
When last we even qualify fuh de Gold Cup? Far less make the semifinals.
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: kicker on January 31, 2012, 12:24:29 PM
dat is why day buller frico needs to stick to floral arrangement and hop scotch and tiddly winks 


lol ok we get it - yuh doh like the fella... Doh chain up no thread derailment nuh...

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Would be great to play in Copa A. if we could qualify - Win or lose, I real missing the days of looking forward to T&T playing in proper competitions...
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: soccerman on January 31, 2012, 12:26:32 PM
They will use the Gold Cup as a qualification for the  6 to play with Conmebol. The 4 that make the 1/4 finals and the next 2 with the best record. Rocket science! But if the US going to host it then 5 will be fighting for the qualification. If they decide that US/Mex are co-host, then is 4.
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Then it will be us and 3 others, maybe Guyana might get a bly as well.
When last we even qualify fuh de Gold Cup? Far less make the semifinals.
Don't worry with me breds, I know if things continue as they are we don't stand a chance.
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: de_redman on January 31, 2012, 12:41:15 PM
Grenada vs Brazil ... what a spectacle  :P
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Mose on January 31, 2012, 01:26:36 PM
They will use the Gold Cup as a qualification for the  6 to play with Conmebol. The 4 that make the 1/4 finals and the next 2 with the best record. Rocket science! But if the US going to host it then 5 will be fighting for the qualification. If they decide that US/Mex are co-host, then is 4.
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Then it will be us and 3 others, maybe Guyana might get a bly as well.
When last we even qualify fuh de Gold Cup? Far less make the semifinals.
Don't worry with me breds, I know if things continue as they are we don't stand a chance.
Cool! :beermug:
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on February 09, 2012, 03:12:47 PM
Conmebol's Copa America is the oldest international continental tournament in soccer, and 2016 will mark its 100th birthday.

That could also be the year that many American soccer fans have a dream come true.

According to Mexican outlet mediotiempo.com, CONCACAF president Alfredo Hawit said during a recent stop in Mexico that an 18-team tournament consisting of teams from CONCACAF and Conmebol is being planned for 2016.

With no Gold Cup or Copa America scheduled for that year, officials are proposing the Copa America's centennial be celebrated with a tournament comprised of 10 Conmebol teams and eight from CONCACAF. There was no explanation on which eight teams would represent CONCACAF, but the United States and Mexico seem all but guaranteed to be included.

There also was no further comment made as to what the teams would play for. Both regions are scheduled to have their respective regular tournaments in 2015, and those are typically the ones with Confederations Cup berths on the line.

Hawit also said permanently inviting Brazil to future Gold Cups, starting with the one in 2013, is being contemplated.


http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2012/02/report-concacaf-conmebol-planning-18-team-copa-america-in-2016.html

The original article also has Hawit saying that he is trying to work with the Carib nations for a rotation policy for CONCACAF presidency. He wants a president to serve a four year term and each four years the presidency would rotate from a carib president to a Northern/Central American president. Right now i think hes doing a decent job as president and i think the rotation policy would help the regions start to trust each other again.

Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Deeks on February 09, 2012, 04:19:43 PM
The original article also has Hawit saying that he is trying to work with the Carib nations for a rotation policy for CONCACAF presidency. He wants a president to serve a four year term and each four years the presidency would rotate from a carib president to a Northern/Central American president. Right now i think hes doing a decent job as president and i think the rotation policy would help the regions start to trust each other again.

What allyuh think about this idea. I kinder like the idea. But lets get some more details.
Title: 2016 Copa America to be played in U.S
Post by: royal on October 25, 2012, 04:00:55 AM
2016 Copa America to be played in U.S


South American soccer governing body CONMEBOL will hold a special Copa America tournament in 2016 in the United States to commemorate the organization's 100th year.

CONMEBOL said at a meeting of its executive committee in the Argentine capital Wednesday that the tournament would include the 10 South American confederation teams, plus the United States, Mexico and four others from the CONCACAF region, which comprises North and Central America and the Caribbean.

The event will take place between the 2015 and 2019 Copa America tournaments.

CONMEBOL said in a statement that the four CONCACAF teams would be added according to their rankings in the Gold Cup, the CONCACAF regional championship.

CONMEBOL said the event will be played in July, but offered few other details. It's the first time the event will be played outside South America and could be a huge financial success showcasing Brazil and Argentina to North American fans.

Lionel Messi, Sergio Aguero, Neymar, Oscar and Radamel Falcao are among the international stars who could represent South American teams.

The event will follow the 2016 European Championship in France, which will be expanded to 24 teams for the first time.

CONMEBOL also said Japan and Mexico will play in the 2015 Copa America as guest teams.

Uruguay won the 2011 Copa America, which was played in Argentina.

CONCACAF, which represents North and Central America and the Caribbean, holds its Gold Cup championship in odd-numbered years. Since 2007, South America's Copa America has been held every four years in the summers following World Cups. There have been two outside invitees since 1993, mostly from CONCACAF.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
Title: Re: 2016 Copa America to be played in U.S
Post by: FF on October 25, 2012, 06:06:13 AM
Oh god please let we get we act together  :praying:
Title: Re: 2016 Copa America to be played in U.S
Post by: Deeks on October 25, 2012, 06:41:53 AM
At the rate we are, I am very doubtful we can qualify for that.
Title: Re: 2016 Copa America to be played in U.S
Post by: g on October 25, 2012, 06:57:21 AM
Thinking that the other 4 teams out of CONCACAF may either come out of WC qualifying or Gold cup tournaments.

Dont think you can use the caribbean or central american tournaments on their own as that excludes canada with the opportunity to get in.

How you think the other 4 teams should be chosen?
Title: Re: 2016 Copa America to be played in U.S
Post by: spideybuff on October 25, 2012, 07:15:06 AM
I remember when this would have been most welcome news circa 2005. Now I don't expect us to be one of the top four teams in Concacaf and further, I fraid the embarassment if we manage to get in.
Title: Re: 2016 Copa America to be played in U.S
Post by: Andre on October 25, 2012, 12:59:46 PM
dem spanish smart. it have enough ah dem in the usa now to make more money from copa america in yankee dollar.

http://www.youtube.com/v/p4UI02FZZ9c
Title: Re: 2016 Copa America to be played in U.S
Post by: KND2 on October 25, 2012, 02:17:15 PM
qualify to do why?

get licks like peas ..... best to not be involved.
Title: Re: 2016 Copa America to be played in U.S
Post by: SUPA on October 25, 2012, 03:21:13 PM
Greetings to all, in the name of Allah. Sorry, no dis, ah not trying tuh mash up de thread, ah just happen tuh jump on dis one and post about de boat show. Ah does hardly be on de forum, so excuse meh, cuz ah doh really have time time tuh read de threads completely. However, ah in de Bahia Mar hotel on Ft Lauderdale beach, Fl, fuh de boat show. Now yuh know yuh boi doh lie, ah have some cash, but ah not in dat yacht category. Any way, ah know some body, dat know some body, wid dat kind ah money, so yuh boi here, wid one other Enterprise member, we rubbin shoulders wid these millionares  ;)  ;D. Make ah long story short, ah was like ah lil kid when ah came tuh de front desk earlier, there was a white gentleman giving out free samples of Carib in cups. Sorry, if ah behind time wid how far Carib reach, but ah felt real proud tuh see meh local beer on show at a million dollar boat show in Florida, so ah had tuh come and post. Ah mean, it is not an event at Joy's roti shop yuh know, is ah boat show wid some white folks here dat have serious cash. When ah log off here, ah going and tell de man ah from T&T and hold some small talk wid him  ;D. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: 2016 Copa America to be played in U.S
Post by: fari on October 25, 2012, 03:52:35 PM
whattttt    i hope dey have games near my city, if not i will just have to make a road trip.
Title: Re: 2016 Copa America to be played in U.S
Post by: Deeks on October 25, 2012, 04:09:47 PM
SUPA..... ah beer is ah Carib ................ Look Trinis doh have any high hopes of us qualifying for this tourney. Anil will make sure that don't happen.
Title: CONCACAF TO JOIN 2016 COPA AMERICA COMPETITION
Post by: AB.Trini on April 28, 2014, 07:18:18 PM
REPORT: CONCACAF TO JOIN 2016 COPA AMERICA COMPETITION
TSN.ca Staff
4/28/2014 8:16:34 PM

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The Copa America Centenario is heading north.

CONMEBOL and CONCACAF have scheduled a press conference for Thursday in Miami where it is expected that both federations will confirm that the 2016 edition of the Copa America will be held in the United States and CONCACAF will be represented.

Along with the 10 South American members of CONMEBOL, the US and Mexican national teams and four other CONCACAF squads, are expected to participate in a 16-team tournament.

The 2016 edition of the tournament is its centenary. The first edition, in 1916, was held in Uruguay. Uruguay are the current holders of the title, having defeated Paraguay in 2011. Uruguay has won the competition a record 15 times.
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: g on May 01, 2014, 11:57:33 AM
Copa America Centrario
10 Teams from South America
USA
Mexico
1 Team from Central America
1 Team from the Caribbean
2 Teams from 2015 Gold Cup
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 01, 2014, 07:44:05 PM
I say US and Mexico, plus semi finalists from Concacaf Gold Cup, depending on timing of tournament.
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: frico on May 02, 2014, 08:25:59 AM
Will this actually raise our standard of football or will it serve to show how much behind we are? If our standard right now is below Grenada when it comes to  qualifying out of all the Caribbean countries for the Gold Cup and if we cannot get up to standard to  do better in WC qualifying, how will we strive to make  gains in a  more competitive expanded zone?
It will definitely raise our standard just look at Venezuela we used to be far ahead of them now look at them,we cant touch them at this time.The thing is it wont do anything bad for our boys they can only learn from playing superior opposition.
I am talking about the late 50s to maybe mid 60s,prior to the 60s their sport was baseball,Caribbean football was touring England in those years.I have to believe that if we (TT)had played Venezuela around late 50s,or early 60s we would have beaten them.I know somewhere in the records,it shows we beat Argentina,60s i think,during those years Venezuela was't involved in football,that is why I say we were ahead of them,I was talking about the time i specified.I respect your knowledge Deeks,and if you can say otherwise...I'll go with that.

Frico, I eh sure about that one. Venezuela was the doormat of Conmebol. TT was never better than Venezuela in football.
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: g on May 03, 2014, 07:26:25 AM
I think the current group under SH should be able to qualify for the tournament. Caribbean cup should be the top priority given what is at steak, of course the other top caribbean teams Jamaica, Haiti and Cuba will all be thinking the same. On our day we can beat any of those. Gold cup is more of a wild card, and more depends on who you play early like USA, Mexico, Costa Rica or Honduras.
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Tallman on May 03, 2014, 01:37:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/S98dnoxGrNc
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Tiresais on May 03, 2014, 01:58:59 PM
What has happened to Shaka's accent? Has it always been so?
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Deeks on May 03, 2014, 04:58:44 PM
That is his TV accent. When he talking to you he will give you his Trini accent.
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: SHOTTA on May 04, 2014, 02:37:01 AM
where is the official article?
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: frico on May 04, 2014, 03:04:32 AM
dat is why day buller frico needs to stick to floral arrangement and hop scotch and tiddly winks 


lol ok we get it - yuh doh like the fella... Doh chain up no thread derailment nuh...

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Would be great to play in Copa A. if we could qualify - Win or lose, I real missing the days of looking forward to T&T playing in proper competitions...
dat is why day buller frico needs to stick to floral arrangement and hop scotch and tiddly winks 


lol ok we get it - yuh doh like the fella... Doh chain up no thread derailment nuh...

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Would be great to play in Copa A. if we could qualify - Win or lose, I real missing the days of looking forward to T&T playing in proper competitions...
Dont worry with truetrini he is still working on his random intelligence. ;D
Title: Re: Conmebol and CONCACAF join to play COPA America????????
Post by: Flex on May 16, 2014, 02:01:26 AM
Hart: Copa qualification great but no priority
By Andrew Gioannetti (Guardian).


T&T’s senior men’s national team may enjoy a one-time opportunity to participate at the Copa America, for its milestone 2016 tournament, but head coach Stephen Hart has insisted that focus is primarily on the Caribbean Cup itself.

An agreement was reached recently between key officials of Comnebol (South American confederation) and Concacaf, which resulted in an opportunity for six teams from the latter confederation to participate at the 2016 Copa America.

That edition will mark the 45th edition and the 100th anniversary of the inaugural South American cup. All ten Comnebol teams will participate, as will host USA and Mexico, along with four other Concacaf teams, one of which will qualify from the CFU Caribbean Cup, the Copa Centroamericana (Central America) and two from the Gold Cup.

“The aims and objectives of the Caribbean Cup has not changed for T&T; the objective remains to qualify,” said Hart.

T&T needs to qualify for the Caribbean Cup by finishing among the top two teams in the four-team second-round group. The CFU qualifiers take place between October 6-13. The Caribbean Cup finals will take place in Jamaica from November 9-18. A top-four finish at the Caribbean Cup will seal 2015 Gold Cup action for T&T, while a win in the regional tournament will see T&T qualify for the 2016 Copa America.

“The fact that the winning team will play in the Copa America is an added bonus and incentive. Obviously, the experience of playing in such a high profile tournament can only serve to enhance the experience of both players and staff.”

Asked if qualification to the Copa America will be given similar priority to the World Cup qualifiers, Hart replied, “I am not sure that this is a priority. I believe it will be a one-off experiment. The World Cup qualifiers remain our primary long-term objective and we should never lose focus of this fact.”

Turning his attention to T&T’s June 4 friendly international against Argentina, Hart said, “we are extremely hopeful to have a short camp for approximately eight days before departure. We had planned for one international game within that camp period. Unfortunately, that won’t be a reality.” The squad, which for the first time includes former England youth team and current League Two-based defender Gavin Hoyte, was named on Tuesday.

Title: Copa America 2015
Post by: reggae-fan on November 25, 2014, 02:15:17 PM
Jamaica gets a tough group... Mexico too.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2278996-copa-america-draw-2015-groups-fixtures-and-dates-released-for-chile-tournament
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: SWO_TNTFAN on November 25, 2014, 04:37:04 PM
Predictions:
Arg vs JA : 10 - 0
Urg vs JA : 5 - 0
JA vs Par : 0 - 4

Any questions feel free to send me a pm :)
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: reggae-fan on November 25, 2014, 04:54:49 PM
Predictions:
Arg vs JA : 10 - 0
Urg vs JA : 5 - 0
JA vs Par : 0 - 4

Any questions feel free to send me a pm :)

Hehheh. I hope you are wrong. But I recall Jamaica betaing the likes of Uruguay and Paraguay with ease up to ten years ago. And even Argentina we have had some good results against (save for that 5-0 mauling Batistuta and Ortega put on us in France'98

Argentina
Jamaica vs Argentina last game two years ago in Mar Del Plata took an injury time winner from Martin Palermo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycpszd4_egM

Paraguay
I was at the office for this game in 1999, I was around 24/25 at the time
31/03/1999, Kingston (Jamaica), 25,000
JAMAICA  3-0 PARAGUAY Marcus GAYLE       5', Theodore WHITMORE 37', David JOHNSON     47'
 
and also this one in 2003
JAMAICA  2-0 PARAGUAY [HT 2-0] Darren BYFIELD  13', Richard LANGLEY 30'

Uruguay
FRIENDLY INTERNATIONAL
18/02/2004, Kingston (Jamaica), 27,000
JAMAICA 2-0 URUGUAY [HT 1-0] Onandi LOWE 10', Jermaine JOHNSON 82'

Jamaica used to be a decent team back in the day...we have fallen off badly since France'98
http://www.rsssf.com/tablesj/jam-intres-det2.html
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: SWO_TNTFAN on November 25, 2014, 05:05:54 PM
 ;) Go man! Make the Caribbean proud, wish JA all the best.

Edit: I think JA can possibly get some key draws here, all these games are in USA so there is a very good chance the support for the reggae boyz will be strong.. It's is still a very tough group especially against Uruguay and Argentina. A draw against Uruguay and win over Paraguay could get you guys in second spot!

 I am just very worried about the discipline of this particular JA team, but they have alot of time to sort things out these games. GL.

Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: reggae-fan on November 25, 2014, 07:38:35 PM
Predictions:
Arg vs JA : 10 - 0
Urg vs JA : 5 - 0
JA vs Par : 0 - 4

Any questions feel free to send me a pm :)

I think
;) Go man! Make the Caribbean proud, wish JA all the best.

Edit: I think JA can possibly get some key draws here, all these games are in USA so there is a very good chance the support for the reggae boyz will be strong..



I think you are mixing up Copa America Centenario (2016) with Copa America 2015. This is for the 2015 Copa in Chile next summer. The groups / qualifiers for Centenario hasnt been determined yet.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: SWO_TNTFAN on November 26, 2014, 02:28:22 PM
Yea I did. Good for JA though! And it will help you guys in the Centenario because of the experience in the Copa. I will be watching for sure via Deportes
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: pull stones on November 26, 2014, 09:34:06 PM
;) Go man! Make the Caribbean proud, wish JA all the best.

Edit: I think JA can possibly get some key draws here, all these games are in USA so there is a very good chance the support for the reggae boyz will be strong.. It's is still a very tough group especially against Uruguay and Argentina. A draw against Uruguay and win over Paraguay could get you guys in second spot!

 I am just very worried about the discipline of this particular JA team, but they have alot of time to sort things out these games. GL.
these games take place in chile not usa and though jamaica will take beating the experience would be priceless. have to admit im jealous.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on November 29, 2014, 08:38:17 PM
(http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/assets/11286285/edt1129.jpg)
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on May 27, 2015, 11:12:40 AM
URUGUAY

Goalkeepers: Fernando Muslera (Galatasaray/ Turkey) - Martín Silva (Vasco da Gama/Brazil) - Rodrigo Muñoz (Libertad/ Paraguay).

Defenders: Maximiliano Pereira (Benfica/Portugal) - Gastón Silva (Torino/Italy) - José María Giménez (Atlético Madrid/Spain) - Diego Godín C (Atlético Madrid/Spain) - Sebastián Coates (Sunderland/England) - Álvaro Pereira (Estudiantes/Argentina).

Midfielders: Mathías Corujo (U. de Chile/Chile) - Jorge Fucile (Nacional/Uruguay) - Álvaro González (Torino/Italy) - Carlos Sánchez (River Plate/Argentina) - Egidio Arévalo Ríos (Tigres, Mexico) - Guzmán Pereira (U. de Chile/Chile) - Nicolás Lodeiro (Boca Juniors/Argentina) - Cristian Rodríguez (without a club) - Giorgian De Arrascaeta (Cruzeiro/Brazil).

Forwards: Diego Rolan (Burdeos/France) - Jonathan Rodríguez (Benfica/Portugal) - Edison Cavani (París Saint-Germain/France) - Cristhian Stuani (Espanyol/Spain) - Abel Hernández (Hull City/England).

Players cut from the original 27:

Camilo Mayada (River Plate, Argentina)
Walter Gargano (Napoli, Italy)
Matias Aguirregaray (Estudiantes, Argentina)
Emiliano Velázquez (Getafe, Spain).

Squad started prep on Monday.

Upcoming activity:

Friendly v. Guatemala on June 6 in Montevideo, Uruguay
Tournament debut versus Jamaica on June 13 in Antofagasta, Chile.
 ... versus Argentina on June 16.
... versus Paraguay on June 20.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on May 27, 2015, 11:31:43 AM
PERU

Goalkeepers: Pedro Gallese (Juan Aurich), Diego Penny (Sporting Cristal), Salomón Libman (César Vallejo)

Defenders: Luis Advíncula (Vitória Setúbal, Portugal), Jair Céspedes (Juan Aurich), Christián Ramos (Juan Aurich), Pedro Requena (César Vallejo), Hansell Riojas (César Vallejo), Yoshimar Yotún (Mällmo, Sweden), Carlos Zambrano C (Eintracht Frankfurt, Germany),

Midfielders: Josepmir Ballón (Sporting Cristal), Paolo Hurtado (Pacos de Ferreira, Portugal), Carlos Lobatón (Sporting Cristal), Edwin Retamozo (Garcilaso), Joel Sánchez (San Martín), Carlos Ascues (Melgar), Juan Manuel Vargas (Fiorentina, Italy), Christián Cueva (Alianza Lima).

Forwards: André Carrillo (Sporting de Lisboa, Portugal), Jéfferson Farfán (Schalke 04, Germany), Paolo Guerrero (Corinthians, Brazil), Claudio Pizarro (Bayern Múnich, Germany), Yordy Reyna (RB Leipzig, Germany).

Cut players:
Cristian Benavente (Real Madrid, Spain)
Rinaldo Cruzado (César Vallejo)
Alexander Callens (Real Sociedad B, Spain)

Upcoming activity:

Friendly v. Mexico on June 3 in Lima, Peru.
... versus Group C tournament opponents Brazil, Colombia and Venezuela.

Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on May 28, 2015, 01:31:35 PM
Diego Godín has said that the opener versus Jamaica will be Uruguay's most difficult match.

(Meanwhile, Walter Gargano, despite expressing support for his teammates, has taken his frustration (regarding exclusion from the squad) to social media. Likely a bitter pill to swallow after being part of the 2010 and 2014 WC teams and the 2011 Copa America winning squad).

From having eight players on the first day of camp (Monday) ... six of whom did no work with the ball ... the technical staff now have 12 players in camp.

Still to arrive:

Muslera, Silva, Silva, Arévalo Ríos, González, Sánchez, De Arrascaeta, Lodeiro, Stuani, Cavani and Rodríguez.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on May 28, 2015, 01:49:29 PM
(http://www.ovaciondigital.com.uy/files/article_main/uploads/2015/05/28/55674f6e60116.jpg)

Or, if you prefer ... a novel way for a federation's media services to present a squad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=249&v=7qCb0QkToos
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on May 28, 2015, 06:23:08 PM
Things are positioning for the Uruguayan professional players union to challenge the exclusion of Luis Suárez from the Copa America in light of the fundamental corruption (so the argument goes) at the center of FIFA activity. I could develop the argument, but won't.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Peong on May 29, 2015, 10:51:01 AM
Things are positioning for the Uruguayan professional players union to challenge the exclusion of Luis Suárez from the Copa America in light of the fundamental corruption (so the argument goes) at the center of FIFA activity. I could develop the argument, but won't.

They grasping at straws.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: elan on May 29, 2015, 01:42:47 PM

Or, if you prefer ... a novel way for a federation's media services to present a squad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=249&v=7qCb0QkToos

That intro is absolute quality. The kinda of creativity in generating support around our football that is sorely lacking.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on May 29, 2015, 02:13:48 PM

Or, if you prefer ... a novel way for a federation's media services to present a squad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=249&v=7qCb0QkToos

That intro is absolute quality. The kinda of creativity in generating support around our football that is sorely lacking.

Fundación Saraki is a non-profit organization focused on advancing interests (and sensitivity/public awareness) regarding persons with disabilities. The first time I viewed the video, what caught my attention was that kids were incorporated in presenting the squad. A second look brought home who the children were. Very proactive.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: spideybuff on May 30, 2015, 03:41:29 AM
Jamaica sending the same side to the Gold Cup after?
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on May 30, 2015, 02:44:26 PM
Things are positioning for the Uruguayan professional players union to challenge the exclusion of Luis Suárez from the Copa America in light of the fundamental corruption (so the argument goes) at the center of FIFA activity. I could develop the argument, but won't.
I wonder if they kept Suàrez off to avoid the negative PR? I'm watching Suàrez right now in the Copa Del Rey final and he's in prime form, causing havoc for Bilbao.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: AB.Trini on May 30, 2015, 03:03:35 PM
Big frigging CHOKe- we  should been at this tournament! Done give a flying fart about JA
Allyu think them care about we Steups- tired of been laughed at  for our flops at the national level - both men and women - I should have been flying out to watch the women next weekend  STEUPS Yuh think I going and waste money flying out to Gold Cup? Steups- no frigging preparations just the same old hurry up and put together a squad! Steups look even guyana yes rich Guyana start preparations and we full ah oil and an economy better than Haiti and yet we cyar get it together Steups - buchnah frighing greedy politicians on
Y licking they asses for riches  spitting  the football at the expense of the players and country Steups - frig  cops cup  frig gold cup de only cul we have is one 4cup organization running this country
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on May 30, 2015, 07:15:37 PM
A.B, who could they prepare when all the top players, playing for Central and Connection? You think FS and J. Williams will release their players?
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on May 30, 2015, 09:17:43 PM
Guatemala looked poor today. Very disjointed. They hadda bring much more to make the friendly versus Uruguay a useful exercise.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 04, 2015, 04:34:12 PM
Juan Carlos Valenzuela helps Mexico escape with lucky draw vs. Peru
Tom Marshall (ESPNFC.com)


Welcome to the Copa America.

Wednesday's 1-1 tie for Mexico against Peru might have been only a warmup match for El Tri, but it gave coach Miguel Herrera -- who has said he has a team capable of winning the tournament -- a timely reminder of just how difficult a competition it is likely to be for a weakened Mexico squad.

El Tri struggled to contain an inspired Peru side, ranked 63rd in FIFA's rankings, in front of a passionate home support in Estadio Nacional and was lucky not to lose.

Peru dominated the first half and eventually went ahead when Jefferson Farfan tapped home in the 62nd minute, with Juan Carlos Valenzuela equalizing for Mexico with a header in the 76th.

"We didn't have a good game, but at the end we rescued the draw," Herrera said after the game. "The important thing was to see how the team worked."

Here are three quick takes from the match:

This isn't its Copa America starting XI

Let's start on a positive note from a Mexican point of view: Of the 11 starters, only three -- Rafa Marquez, Gerardo Flores and Raul Jimenez -- are projected to start a week from Friday when El Tri opens its Copa America account against Bolivia in Chile.

But this match highlighted the problems Herrera has had in shaping a "B" squad to compete at a strong Copa America, while the "A" squad seeks Gold Cup glory in a much weaker tournament. If internal competition was what the coach was hoping for on Wednesday, he was left in a weaker position than before the game kicked off.

Up front, there was little chemistry between Jimenez and Enrique Esqueda, although they were isolated, with the fact Mexico only had one shot in the first half telling.

In midfield, Juan Carlos Medina played the holding role, but was swamped as El Tri failed to control the center of the field. Javier Aquino sparked intermittently, while Marco Fabian was quiet, but the fact both are more accustomed to playing on the wing and are outwardly attacking players left Mexico unbalanced and left space for Peru to exploit.

Then in defense, Julio "Cata" Domginuez was the latest player to be tried as a left center back and didn't do badly, but the understanding with Rafa Marquez and Juan Carlos Valenzuela was shaky at best. It would be unfair to judge the individuals too much, however, considering how little time they've had playing together, and it must be noted that things did improve slightly when Hugo Ayala replaced Marquez at halftime.

At right wing-back, Gerardo Flores was a rare bright spot and looks to have done enough now to earn a starting place at the Copa America, while goalkeeper Alfredo Talavera was Mexico's best player and kept his team in the game in the first half.

Overall, Peru should've punished Mexico and had the game out of reach by the time Valenzuela leveled. After 45 minutes, Peru had outshot Mexico 7-1 and looked far more dangerous in the final third. It took Mexico until the 70th to even get a shot on target.

Herrera's side got away with it on Wednesday, but it can't rely on having the same luck when the real business gets underway in Chile.

Fabian, Jimenez disappoint

Olympic 2012 gold-medal winners Fabian, 25, and Jimenez, 24, can no longer be treated as young players hoping to break through. This is their time, and the responsibility on their shoulders at the Copa America is significant.

Both need a good tournament to help further their club careers and start to make the most of the talent they have. And if Mexico are to exceed expectations at the Copa America, both have a crucial role to play. But there was no sense either is taking the bull by the horns ahead of the tournament and the truth was it seemed they lacked confidence against Peru.

Jimenez was lost up front, isolated from the game and his teammates and when he did latch onto a good through-ball by Flores in the 49th, he blasted it over the bar. If you didn't know he played for Atletico Madrid, you'd never have guessed.

For Fabian, this was an occasion where he went missing and was unable to influence the game as he would've wished. It might have just cost him his starting place.

Corona strengthens Copa America chances

Fabian was replaced by Jesus "Tecatito" Corona -- with Luis Montes coming on for Aquino at the same time -- in the 66th minute and Mexico instantly improved as an attacking force.

It is true Herrera gave his side more license to get forward, but Corona's positive influence stood in contrast to that of Fabian.

The Twente winger was more direct and scared the Peruvian defense. The 22-year-old won the free kick that led to Valenzuela's goal and drew the foul from Pedro Requena that got him sent off in the 78th.

Corona almost unlocked the defense in the 85th with a mazy dribble and wasn't very far from nicking an unlikely victory in injury time. He looks primed to be Mexico's most exciting player this summer, with Corona also in El Tri's Gold Cup squad.

Video highlights of the friendly (http://www.espnfc.com/team/mexico/203/blog/post/2478385/mexico-escape-with-lucky-draw-against-peru)
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on June 04, 2015, 05:07:13 PM
But this match highlighted the problems Herrera has had in shaping a "B" squad to compete at a strong Copa America, while the "A" squad seeks Gold Cup glory in a much weaker tournament. If internal competition was what the coach was hoping for on Wednesday, he was left in a weaker position than before the game kicked off.


Well fellas, we does complain about team selection. Here is Mexico trying to resolve a "big crisis" with their locals.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: reggae-fan on June 07, 2015, 02:32:06 AM


ANTOFAGASTA, Chile -- As Jamaica's national senior footballers begin preparations for their first-ever participation in the South American football championship, more popularly known as Copa America, they will be receiving help from Spain.

As the players, including 14 from the 23-man squad, prepared to board a LAN aircraft from Santiago to Antofagasta on Friday, they were joined by a familiar face, Carlos Garcia, the Spaniard who had coached Montego Bay United from the start of the 2014-2015 season, through to April when he was unceremoniously dumped by the St James outfit, despite the club being very close to qualification to the semi-finals.

But the respect for the man from the European nation which won the 2010 World Cup champions was evident, as he exchanged seemingly warm embraces from the two Montego Bay United players in the party, Dino Williams and Allan Ottey.

Garcia, on the recommendation of head coach Winfried Schaefer, and the blessing of the Jamaica Football Federation, has been appointed to provide video analysis of the opponents.

In fact, it is a function he has performed before at the 2014 Caribbean Cup, when Jamaica emerged champions, and in the following friendly games against Venezuela and Cuba.

"Mainly video analysis of the teams we are playing against, the weaknesses and the strengths of all the teams and to present that to the technical staff and the players," explained Garcia.

He added: "I've seen about two or three matches of each team that we are going to play against, and the Uruguay report is done already, and the others we are going to wait to see them play in the Copa America to finish those reports."

Displaying immense modesty, Garcia said he doesn't know how important his work is, as he only wanted to help coach Schaefer and the Jamaican team to do well.

"It is just information for the players to know what to expect from each of the teams that we will have to play and to help the technical staff to develop a more accurate plan."

An added value that the Spaniard brings to the set-up, especially at this time, is his ability to speak Spanish.

Meanwhile, he noted that he was upset that Montego Bay United lost the Red Stripe Premier League final to Arnett Gardens. He said Montego Bay United are a "great team" and despite the loss, they could consider having a "good season" having contested the Flow Champions Cup final, as well as reaching the semi-finals of the Caribbean Football Union Club Championships, and qualifying for the CONCACAF phase of the said tournament.

He added that he's not sure how much credit he should get for the team's ultimate success, but that he was happy to see two of the club's players making the transition to the national team.
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/Boyz-get-Spanish-help-from-a-familiar-face_19086711
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 07, 2015, 06:22:10 AM
Kudos to Jamaica. Gsrcia's inclusion makes sense.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 07, 2015, 06:38:25 AM
Argentina, Uruguay impress in Copa America warmups (Channel NewsAsia)

REUTERS: Uruguay handed Guatemala a 5-1 roasting in a friendly on Saturday that augurs well for their defence of the Copa America in the absence of suspended striker Luis Suarez.

Argentina also impressed in the leadup to the tournament in Chile, with Sergio Aguero scoring a hat-trick and Angel Di Maria a brace in their 5-0 demolition of Bolivia in San Juan.

In other matches, Ecuador trounced Panama 4-0 with two goals from Fidel Martinez in Guayaquil, while Radamel Falcao scored the winner in Colombia's 1-0 victory over Costa Rica in Buenos Aires.

Paraguay and Honduras drew 2-2 in Asuncion, with former Manchester City striker Roque Santa Cruz getting both Paraguay’s goals.

While Suarez was helping Barcelona win the Champions league title in Berlin, his young understudy Diego Rolan put Uruguay one up after four minutes from Alvaro Pereira's cross.

Edinson Cavani then added a brace, his first a tap-in after Rolan had hit the post, then a penalty on the half-hour to put the home side 3-0 up at half-time.

Substitutes Giorgian De Arrascaeta and Abel Hernandez increased Uruguay's lead before Guatemala pulled one back through defender Wilson Lalin 12 minutes from time.

The Uruguayans open their defence of the Copa America title against Jamaica on June 13 and also meet Argentina and Paraguay in Group B.

Suarez is serving a ban of nine international matches in competition after biting Italy's Giorgio Chiellini at the World Cup.

FIVE-STAR ARGENTINA

Despite missing Lionel Messi, Javier Mascherano and Carlos Tevez, all of whom played in the Champions League final, Argentina found it just as easy against Bolivia.

Di Maria had the opener after 24 minutes with an angled drive from the edge of the box. Aguero got his first four minutes later with a penalty kick and then added another on the half-hour when he clipped home a cross at the near post.

Di Maria slotted home from the spot at 54 minutes and Aguero sealed his hat-trick a minute later.

Ecuador, who are Chile's opponents in the tournament's opening match in Santiago on Friday, also ran up a 3-0 lead in the first half against Panama.

Striker Miller Bolanos scored the first from a pass by tricky winger Jefferson Montero after he had beaten two defenders in the box in the 26th minute.

Martinez then scored twice in eight minutes, first from Montero's pass then with a header from left back Walter Ayovi's cross.

Seven minutes into the second half, Montero added the fourth for Ecuador, who also meet Mexico and Bolivia in their Copa group.

Colombia captain Falcao settled a more even affair at the Diego Armando Maradona ground in the Argentine capital in the opening minute of the second half, scoring from Juan Cuadrado's low cross.

(Additional reporting by Alexandra Valencia in Quito, Luis Ampero in Buenos Aires and Daniela Desantis in Asuncion; Writing by Rex Gowar; Editing by Ian Ransom)
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 07, 2015, 09:52:59 PM
Brazil vs. Mexico: Final score 2-0, El Tri don't look ready for Copa America
Kevin McCauley (SBNation.com)


Mexico kicks off their Copa America campaign on Friday, and their B-side doesn't exactly look ready to make a run in that tournament. A few days after struggling against Peru, they were definitively beaten by Brazil, 2-0, and only managed to put a few shots on target.

El Tri actually looked like the better side in the opening minutes, to the point where Brazil's supporters had started booing, but the match changed completely in the 28th minute. Philippe Coutinho put his team ahead with a spectacular goal (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2489239-brazil-vs-mexico-score-and-twitter-reaction-from-2015-friendly), skinning Hugo Ayala on the touchline before beating Jesus Corona with a shot gorgeously curled into the goal from the endline.

Mexico were out of the game from there, and conceded another goal in the 37th minute, with Diego Tardelli finishing off a through ball from Elias. Ayala was partially at fault for that goal, too, and was one of three Mexico players substituted at the half.

Those subs didn't do anything to spark Mexico, who experimented with a change to a four-man defense and didn't look terribly proficient in it. However, Brazil was willing to sleepwalk through most of the second half, and coasted to a two-goal victory.

Brazil: Jefferson, Filipe Luis, Miranda, David Luiz, Danilo (Fabinho 46'), Fernandinho, Elias (Casemiro 79'), Coutinho (Ribeiro 70'), Fred (Felipe Anderson 83'), Willian (Douglas Costa 74'), Diego Tardelli (Firmino 59')

Goals: Coutinho (28'), Tardelli (37')

Mexico: Corona, Ayala (Salcedo 46'), Marquez, Dominguez, Aldrete, Osuna (Fabian 46'), Guernez (Medina 67'), Tecatito (Montes 76'), Jimenez (Vuoso 65'), Herrera

Goals: None.


Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: reggae-fan on June 08, 2015, 04:49:50 PM
Fitness a top priority as Boyz ready for Copa America baptism

ANTOFAGASTA, Chile -- Acquiring the requisite match fitness for a number of the Reggae Boyz in time for Saturday's opening Group B encounter with defending champions Uruguay is now the main aim of physical trainer Andre Waugh.

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The Reggae Boyz arrived at their training base here in Antofagasta last Friday afternoon with only 14 players, three locally based and the others primarily from Europe. However, they have since been joined by four others, including three from Major League Soccer in the United States, with another three players expected in today, then one tomorrow, and Je-Vaughn Watson, the last player, expected on June 14.

The Boyz were the first team in the 12-team competition to arrive in the host country, but the technical staff can take no solace from that fact as most of the other teams had already assembled at their respective homes and started preparing.

In fact, a number of teams have engaged in friendly fixtures as they fine-tune for Thursday's opening game in the 99-year-old tournament, which features some of the best international teams in world football.

For Waugh, the job now is to get the players, who will join the camp with various levels of fitness, in sync physically.

"It's really a situation that we are assessing," Waugh told the Jamaica Observer shortly after the team's first full training session at the Parque Juan Lopez (Juan Lopez Park) on Saturday evening.

He added: "We have players who have come in from playing a 10-month season, those players in the English Premiership and those in the Jamaican Premier League, and there are others in the English Championship, who would have ended their season a month ago, so it is trying to find the best way possible to get the squad as balanced as we can for the tournament."
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Nonetheless, Waugh's early diagnosis is that the players are in fairly good condition.

"I think they are in good stead, from discussions with some of the players, especially those in the Championship," he explained. "They have been training on their own and they would have had post-season workout programmes from their clubs, so from what we are seeing, we believe that with a week to go we can really get them to a decent level."

It is noticeable that Wes Morgan, the Leicester City captain, and Adrian Mariappa of Crystal Palace, have been religious visitors to the gymnasium in the mornings, ahead of breakfast.

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But for those who might be off the boil a little, Waugh has a programme in place to enhance their physical fitness.

"We plan to have additional workouts for those players who would have stopped playing a month ago; while taking into consideration that there are others who have played for 10 months and the issue of regeneration and recovery is important for them, so it is having a strategy that suits the individual players of the separate groups of players," he said.

"There are other players who will be coming in from the MLS who are currently in their season, so we anticipate another level of fitness coming from them," he added.

Meanwhile, team physician Dr Derrick McDowell informed the Observer that an application was made for an emergency Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) for about two players. According to Dr McDowell, the application was deemed necessary after he executed the mandatory medical examinations which will be supplied to the organising committee.

"We have to do a medical on all players... a history examination in a series of tests. So far we have completed 15 medicals and everybody is fine... a few little concerns with some medications that a few of the players might be on, so we will have to apply for an emergency Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) for about two players, but so far everybody is fine, no injuries being carried that would potentially put a player out of the tournament," explained Dr McDowell.

In explaining how the process works, the physcian said: "You have to basically know what medication the player is on, why they are on the medication, so you make your reports and we send it through to JADCo and it goes through the TUE committee for scrutiny and a final ruling."

He has since confirmed that the application process has started.

And in adding his voice to the players' physical readiness, he said: "All the prime tests done so far indicate that they are fit and ready."

And regarding the other players to arrive, he said as soon as they do, they will have their medicals done.

Jamaica open against Uruguay at 2:00 pm (Jamaica time) on Saturday inside the Estadio Regional Calvo y Bascunan, then take on Paraguay three days later at the same venue at 4:00 pm (Jamaica time) before closing out against the Lionel Messi-led Argentina at 4:30 pm inside the estadio Sausalito in Vina del Mar on Saturday, June 20.

The top two sides from each of the three groups advance to the knockout stage, along with the two best third-placed teams.
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Post by: asylumseeker on June 08, 2015, 08:13:24 PM
Schafer: I want more, more, more from Jamaica.
FourFourTwo.com


Winfried Schafer said his Jamaica side can reach the last eight at the 12-team Copa America in Chile, starting Thursday.

Jamaica are rank outsiders to do any damage at the Copa America, but coach Winfried Schafer said they are capable of causing a stir and reaching the quarter-finals.

The Caribbean nation are drawn in Group B alongside Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay in their first appearance in the competition.

Under the rules of the tournament, the two-best third-placed teams are guaranteed progression to the last eight alongside each group's top-two sides.

The German coach hopes to pull off a surprise in Chile, and is determined to make the Jamaican people proud of his team's achievements.

"I hope we can go to the quarter-finals," Schafer told the Jamaica Gleaner.

"Football is open, you cannot tell; Brazil were beaten 7-1 in the semi-final of the World Cup.

"This is good for Jamaica, it is good for the players, good for me and good for everybody.

"I want to win matches and hope at the end when we come back from Chile our whole island is happy about the Reggae Boyz."

The Copa marks the start of a hectic period for Jamaica, who are competing in the CONCACAF Gold Cup and also have FIFA World Cup qualifiers to contend with.

But Schafer pledged not to let their busy calendar stand as an excuse for any lapse in performance, as they look to build on their 2014 Caribbean Cup triumph.

"We've got to work, I don't want stagnation. Every time, I want more, more, more," he continued.

"I'm aggressive, I want to see everybody fight for our team, and everybody eat from the success of our team. I'm a positive man, not a negative man.

"Both tournaments are very important. After this we have two qualifying matches.

"I hope we can build from both tournaments a very strong team for the World Cup qualification games in August and September."

Jamaica makes their Copa America bow against Uruguay in Antofagasta on Saturday.

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Post by: asylumseeker on June 08, 2015, 08:21:31 PM
Ecuador must improve Copa America image - FA president.
FourFourTwo.com


Ecuadorian Football Federation president Luis Chiriboga Acosta is imploring his team to improve their poor recent Copa America record.

Gustavo Quinteros' men head to Chile having not reached the quarter-finals of the continental tournament since 1997, bowing out in the first stage in five straight events.

Ecuador, who will compete in Group A alongside hosts Chile, Mexico and Bolivia, are without Manchester United winger Antonio Valencia and Emelec's Angel Mena for the showpiece.

But Acosta said it was time Ecuador stood up at the Copa, after limp showings of late.

Ecuador finished bottom of their group in 1999, 2004, 2007 and 2011, while they also failed to go beyond the group stages in 2001 - winning just one of 15 matches in five tournaments.

"There is a good atmosphere in the Tri, hopefully that influences the difficult match against Chile," Acosta said in Santiago, where the national side are preparing for their tournament opener on Thursday.

"We must always consider ourselves protagonists, Ecuador is [ready] to make a great Copa America.

"It is time to improve the image that has been left in the past editions of the Copa America, we have a good squad and a great coaching staff, there is great enthusiasm first move to the next stage of the tournament and then try to get as far as possible."

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Post by: asylumseeker on June 09, 2015, 06:26:16 AM
Jamaica reveals Copa America roster.
CONCACAF.com


KINGSTON, Jamaica – Caribbean champion Jamaica will take a 23-man roster to Chile for the Copa America, the Jamaica Football Federation announced Wednesday.

The selection features two players from the English Premier League – defenders Adrian Mariappa (Crystal Palace) and Wes Morgan (Leicester City) – and five from Major League Soccer, including Giles Barnes, who is tied for fourth on the 2015 scoring chart with six goals.

Reading defender Michael Hector and Montego Bay United forward Allan Ottey are new to the squad as the Reggae Boyz compete in the South American championship for the first time.

Ottey is one of three local-based players called up by head coach Winfried Schafer, joining Waterhouse defender Hughan Gray and Montego Bay strike partner Dino Williams.

Jamaica, which is also slated to play in July’s CONCACAF Gold Cup, will open its Copa America campaign against Uruguay (June 13), before closing Group B play against Paraguay (June 16) and Argentina (June 20).

Jamaica Squad

GOALKEEPERS: Duwayne Kerr (Sarpsborg 08/Norway), Dwayne Miller (Syrianska/Sweden), Ryan Thompson (Pittsburgh Riverhounds/USA)

DEFENDERS: Daniel Gordon (Karlsruher SC/Germany), Hughan Gray (Waterhouse), Michael Hector (Reading/England), Kemar Lawrence (New York Red Bulls/USA), Adrian Mariappa (Crystal Palace/England), Wes Morgan (Leicester City/England), Jermaine Taylor (Houston Dynamo/USA)

MIDFIELDERS: Rodolph Austin (Leeds United/England), Joel Grant (Yeovil Town/England), Lance Laing (FC Edmonton/Canada), Jobi McAnuff (Leyton Orient/England), Garath McCleary (Reading/England), Je-Vaughn Watson (FC Dallas/USA)

FORWARDS: Giles Barnes (Houston Dynamo/USA), Deshorn Brown (Valerenga/Norway), Simon Dawkins (Derby County/England), Darren Mattocks (Vancouver Whitecaps/Canada), Allan Ottey (Montego Bay United), Romeo Parkes (Isidro Metapan/El Salvador), Dino Williams (Montego Bay United)

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Post by: asylumseeker on June 09, 2015, 01:21:52 PM
Argentina Squad

Goalkeepers: Sergio Romero (Sampdoria), Nahuel Guzman (UANL Tigres), Mariano Andujar (Napoli)

Defenders: Facundo Roncaglia (Genoa), Pablo Zabaleta, Martin Demichelis (both Manchester City), Ezequiel Garay (Zenit St Petersburg), Nicolas Otamendi (Valencia), Marcos Rojo (Manchester United), Milton Casco (Newell's Old Boys)

Midfielders: Javier Mascherano (Barcelona), Lucas Biglia (Lazio), Ever Banega (Sevilla), Roberto Pereyra (Juventus), Fernando Gago (Boca Juniors), Angel Di Maria (Manchester United), Erik Lamela (Tottenham Hotspur), Javier Pastore (Paris Saint-Germain)

Forwards: Lionel Messi (Barcelona), Carlos Tevez (Juventus), Gonzalo Higuain (Napoli), Sergio Aguero (Manchester City), Ezequiel Lavezzi (Paris Saint-Germain)

Oldest player in the squad: Demichelis (34)
Youngest player: Lamela (23)

Casco is on his debut. He's a speedy left back who gets incorporated into the attack.
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Post by: asylumseeker on June 10, 2015, 04:23:36 PM
Venezuelan TV presenters strip naked in show of support for their team
(Mirror Football).


A female news team in Venezuela stripped naked to film a supportive message for the country's national side ahead of the upcoming Copa America in Chile.

No fewer than eight presenters bared all as they labelled Venezuela's players "gladiators" and urged other women to join them in stripping off.

The women, who present on South American subscription news website Desnudando la Noticia, claim that their presenting style is aimed at "empowering women".

For every round that Venezuela progress through in the tournament, the team has vowed to post more naked content online.

The website was launched during the World Cup last year and it has since expanded, now boasting 10 reporters.

In April the station posted footage of one of its reporters stripping naked while presenting a story about Cristiano Ronaldo.

Web users must be 21 or over to view content on the site.


The patriots can be seen here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL4_KusCSEo).
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Post by: asylumseeker on June 10, 2015, 04:38:50 PM
Rondon and Murillo in Venezuela Copa America squad
Rex Gowar (Reuters).


Venezuela strikers Salomon Rondon of Zenit St Petersburg and Benfica's John Murillo represent the veteran and youthful strands of the 23-man Copa America squad named on Monday [June 1] .

Rondon, who contributed 15 goals to Zenit's Russian Premier League title win in the season just ended, was part of the "Vinotinto" (red wine) side that finished fourth at the 2011 tournament in Argentina, their best ever international placing.

Coach Noel Sanvicente also picked Murillo, who turns 20 on Thursday and won his only cap in a 2-1 friendly victory over Honduras when he scored the winning goal. He joined Benfica on a five-year contract less than two weeks ago.

Venezuela are the only nation in the 10-member South American Football Confederation never to have reached the World Cup finals and, with tournament hosts Chile as well as Ecuador, they are also still looking for their first Copa America title.

Venezuela are in Group C with Brazil, Colombia and Peru at the June 11-July 4 tournament.

Venezuela squad

Goalkeepers: Alain Baroja, Wuilker Farinez (both Caracas FC), Daniel Hernandez (Tenerife)

Defenders: Gabriel Cichero (Mineros de Guayana), Grenddy Perozo (AC Ajaccio), Andres Tunez (Buriram United), Wilker Angel (Deportivo Tachira), Roberto Rosales (Malaga), Fernando Amorebieta (Middlesbrough), Oswaldo Vizcarrondo (Nantes)

Midfielders: Rafael Acosta (Mineros de Guayana), Alejandro Guerra (Atletico Nacional), Ronald Vargas (Balikesirspor), Franklin Lucena (Deportivo La Guaira), Cesar Gonzalez (Deportivo Tachira), Tomas Rincon (Genoa), Luis Manuel Seijas (Independiente Santa Fe), Juan Arango (Tijuana)

Forwards: Jhon Murillo (Benfica), Gelmin Rivas (Deportivo Tachira), Nicolas Fedor (Rayo Vallecano), Josef Martinez (Torino), Salomon Rondon (Zenit St Petersburg)

Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on June 10, 2015, 06:39:45 PM
Ah wonder if this Salomon Rondon related to Lawrence Rondon?
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 11, 2015, 05:08:10 PM
From the BBC:

The Vatican has suspended a deal that would have seen it receive US $10k for every goal scored at the Copa America. The region's football association, Conmebol, had agreed to donate the money to a charity sponsored by Pope Francis. However, in light of the recent corruption scandal, the Vatican has asked Conmebol not to donate money.

South American media have reported that Archbishop Marcelo Sanchez sent a letter to Conmebol saying: "Given the well-known public events that have happened since 27 May, I have decided to suspend the application of the agreement until otherwise informed. Please abstain from making any money deposits."
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Post by: asylumseeker on June 11, 2015, 06:16:38 PM
Chile vs Ecuador: Copa America 2015, Predictions, Rosters, & Preview
Damon Salvadore (latinpost.com).


It's been four years since we last saw Uruguay defeat Paraguay at the 2011 Copa America in Argentina. Well, the Copa America is back and this year promises to be a memorable one for the ages.

The first game of the 2015 Copa America will be played between Chile and Ecuador. Let's preview the game and pick a winner.

Chile enters this Copa America not only as the favorite to win Group A, but as the host nation. The Chilean National Team is ranked No. 19 in the world. Chile has done very well as the host nation placing second and third four times. Unfortunately for Chile, they have never won the Copa America before with an 0-4 record in the finals.

One of the biggest reasons Chile is being praised by fans is because of their goalkeeper Claudio Bravo. Bravo led Barcelona to a Spanish League Championship in La Liga as well as a Copa del Rey title this season. Chile just may have the best goalkeeper in this competition.

Outside of Bravo, Chile still has a strong squad this year. Alexis Sánchez and Eduardo Vargas create a great offensive duo, and Arturo Vidal, Jorge Valdivia and Matías Fernández lead an elite middle field. Bravo may not be under a lot of pressure considering the fact that Chile has such a great pack of middle fielders.

Chile holds the all-time edge over Ecuador with 27 wins to just 10 losses. The last time these two teams faced off in the Copa America was in 2001 when Chile defeated Ecuador, 4-1 in Colombia.

The Ecuador National Team is ranked No. 31 in the world heading into the Copa America. Ecuador will have to get past Chile, Bolivia and Mexico in Group A. Thankfully for Ecuador, Mexico isn't playing at full strength because of their upcoming Gold Cup preparations.

Ecuador is considered sort of an underrated "dark horse" team this year. Although Ecuador doesn't have a very powerful offense, they do have a great defense led by Walter Ayoví, Juan Carlos Paredes and Frickson Erazo. Goalkeeper Alexander Domínguez is expected to get the start in net by head coach Gustavo Quinteros.

Ayoví is Ecuador's captain this year.

Historically speaking, Ecuador has never really made their presence felt at the Copa America. Their best finish at this tournament is fourth place, which came in 1959 and 1993. Ecuador was the host nation both of those years

Ecuador will put up a good fight, but Chile should be able to take care of business. Chile needs to send a message with the rest of South America watching on opening night. Ecuador has a strong defense, but Chile doesn't have a big glaring weakness to penetrate.
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Post by: asylumseeker on June 11, 2015, 06:24:33 PM
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Post by: asylumseeker on June 11, 2015, 08:13:29 PM
Hosts Chile began their quest for a maiden Copa America title with victory over Ecuador in Santiago
Shamoon Hafez (BBC Sport).


Midfielder Arturo Vidal was brought down in the box by Miller Bolanos in the second half and picked himself up to convert the penalty for Chile.

Former QPR man Eduardo Vargas netted the second, calmly slotting home, as Matias Fernandez was sent off late on.

Ecuador's best chance fell to West Ham striker Enner Valencia, who struck the crossbar with a close-range header.

Chile have never won the competition in its 99-year history, coming runners-up on four occasions, the last being in 1987.

And having reached the last-16 of the 2014 World Cup, the Chileans are third favourites behind Argentina and Brazil to lift the trophy this year.

The top two sides from the three groups will progress to the quarter-finals, as well as the two best third-placed teams, with these sides lining up alongside Mexico and Bolivia in Group A.

Chile showed more intent in the encounter with some sharp, crisp passing, while Juventus's Vidal and Arsenal forward Alexis Sanchez combined well in the final third.

But they were unable to find a killer touch in front of goal early on as Sanchez stabbed an effort wide, while ex-QPR full-back Mauricio Isla came close as well.

Ecuador - who failed to make it out of their group at last year's World Cup - were happy to sit back and use their pace on the counter-attack. Striker Fidel Martinez forced Barcelona goalkeeper Claudio Bravo into a full stretch save.

The game's defining moment came from Vidal, who seemed to go down easily in the penalty area, but stepped up to score an unstoppable spot-kick into the top corner of the net.

They got their second six minutes from time, punishing poor Ecuador defending, as Sanchez played in Vargas who struck a low finish.

The match ended on a sour note for Chile after substitute Fernandez was dismissed for hacking down Juan Carlos Paredes in injury time.
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Post by: asylumseeker on June 11, 2015, 08:56:28 PM
Edinson Cavani apologises for calling Jamaica ‘an African team’
The Guardian (UK).


The Paris Saint-Germain striker, Edinson Cavani, was forced to apologise after mistakenly stating that Jamaica, Uruguay’s first opponents in the Copa América, are an African team.

Óscar Tabárez’s side, who are the holders following their triumph in Argentina four years ago, kick off the defence of their title against Jamaica in Antofagasta on Saturday.

Despite being part of the Confederation of North, Central America and Caribbean Association Football (Concacaf), Jamaica are in Chile along with Mexico after winning last year’s Caribbean Cup. However, that fact seemed to be lost on Cavani as he faced the media to preview Saturday’s game.

Asked what he thought of Uruguay’s opponents, the PSG striker said: “As any other African team, Jamaica are going to be strong.”

That led to a hastily-arranged tweet where Cavani apologised if his comments had caused offence. “First I want to apologise to Jamaica and its people,” he wrote.

“I wanted to make a comparison between similar styles and playing characteristics between Jamaican national team and those of African sides but honestly I only put across half that thought and it came out sounding awful.

“In any case I’d like to publicly ask for forgiveness and I hope my mistake will be taken with humour rather than offence.”

Managed by the German Winfried Schäfer, Jamaica are 600-1 shots to win the tournament.
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Post by: asylumseeker on June 12, 2015, 05:04:06 PM
Mexico vs. Bolivia Soccer 2015: Prediction, Preview For El Tri’s Opening Copa America Match
By Jason Le Miere (International Business Times).


The pressure will be on Mexico and coach Miguel Herrera as their packed summer of competitive action gets underway on Friday. In Viña del Mar, Chile, El Tri will take on Bolivia in their opening game of the 2015 Copa America knowing that a win is likely to be vital to their chances of making it out of a group that also contains hosts Chile and a highly competitive Ecuador team.

And after what has been a troubled buildup to the competition, an opening victory would also go a long way to improving the atmosphere surrounding the squad. This summer was always going to be a challenge for Mexico given the task of competing at both South America’s championship and the Gold Cup. From the outset Herrera made regaining Concacaf superiority and earning a playoff with the United States to go to the 2017 Confederations Cup the priority, meaning the likes of Javier “Chicharito” Hernández, Carlos Vela and Héctor Herrera have been held in reserve for next month.

Still, Herrera has continued to state boldly that the players heading to Chile do not represent a “B” squad and that reaching the final is a realistic aim. While it was understood there was a certain amount of bravado involved in his confidence, it initially did not seem all that misplaced.

Herrera has ridden a wave of positive sentiment since taking over as coach at the end of 2013 and guiding El Tri through a playoff with New Zealand to qualify for the World Cup, after what had previously been a calamitous qualifying campaign involving three other coaches. Once in Brazil, Mexico impressed with the quality and style of their play and in only narrowly bowing out to the Netherlands in the Round of 16.

But there have been, perhaps unsurprisingly, difficulties in bringing the second-choice group together for the Copa America. After a send-off victory over Guatemala in Chiapas, Mexico could only draw 1-1 with Peru and before falling convincingly 2-0 to Brazil on Sunday. The squad is still very much a work in progress on the eve of the competition and doubts persist about whether Herrera is too beholden to his favored 5-3-2 formation, given that the players at his disposal for the Copa America appear more suited to an alternative setup. 

It would, of course, be harsh enough to judge Herrera on the performances of what is essentially a squad of fringe players in the Copa America, never mind in friendlies ahead of the tournament. And there is little doubt that the primary judgement on the coach will be made upon whether he delivers the Gold Cup in the U.S.

But there is a sense of the mood around Herrera’s tenure turning, and not just because of performances on the pitch. Ahead of the Brazil match, Herrera, whose charismatic personality has cultivated a large Twitter following, tweeted his support for one of the political parties vying for votes in midterm elections on the same day. The tweets were in violation of the Mexican Football Federation’s code of ethics that requires representatives of the team to remain impartial on such matters, and came amid allegations that the party in question had paid sports stars and celebrities to voice their support. An investigation has been launched by the Federation into Herrera’s actions, with reports of a fine being issued, while criticism has come from Mexico fans across social media.

The events certainly do not make for ideal preparation for an event to which Mexico have been regular invitees over the years. It will bring back unwelcome memories, too, of El Tri’s last visit to the Copa America, when losing all three group games four years ago.

With the top two teams from each of the three groups and the best two third-placed teams making it through to the quarterfinals, Mexico have ample opportunity to progress. But there is little doubt that the match with Bolivia represents their best chance of a victory. Bolivia have failed to make it out of the opening round of a Copa America since reaching the final in 1997, when benefiting from playing at altitude on home soil. Indeed, Bolivia have not won a single match outside their home country since beating South Africa in a friendly in March 2007. And their preparations for the tournament have hardly been ideal, losing 5-0 to Argentina on Saturday.

Prediction: It would be a huge blow to Mexico’s hopes were they to gain anything other than a victory from their match with Bolivia. While plenty of doubts remain about the side, Herrera’s men should have the quality to deliver. PSV Eindhoven winger Jesús “Tecatito” Corona has looked lively in the preparation matches and he could give Mexico a spark to get a vital three points.

Predicted score: Mexico over Bolivia, 2-1.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 13, 2015, 01:36:59 PM
Decent passage of play by Jamaica.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: reggae-fan on June 13, 2015, 02:10:41 PM
Jamaica's problem is lack of world class finishers. Mattocks did well to create that chance but totally fluffed the final shot after being left one on one with Muslera. Uruguay is unaccustomed to Jamaica's physical style, still struggling to find their rhythm but you get the feeling they are coming into their own and will throw their all into it as the second half progresses

Uruguay 1 - 0 Jamaica Rodríguez 60th.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 13, 2015, 02:22:09 PM
Mattocks simply wanted to buss de net. Got slightly ahead of himself.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Peong on June 13, 2015, 02:40:37 PM
Uruguay on the back foot.

A cpl chances for Jamaica, Uruguay are doing a lot of defending.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Banter Banton on June 13, 2015, 04:09:36 PM
Argentina, different class.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 13, 2015, 05:34:36 PM
... yet the scoreline is 2-2.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Peong on June 13, 2015, 05:39:51 PM
Argentina score two shit goal.  A bad back pass and Di Maria dive into the defender.  I dunno if he lost his footing, but he flew into the defender.
Paraguay pushed right to the end, and scored two nice goals. Good game to watch.
Nelson Valdez pipe a shot there.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Banter Banton on June 13, 2015, 06:07:47 PM
haha yea I blight dem there... Argentina were pretty good in the 1st half but took their foot off the pedal.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 14, 2015, 12:06:56 PM
Argentina lets victory slip away against Paraguay
Buenos Aires Herald.


Argentina played an amazing first half against Paraguay in the Copa América opener held in La Serena, but the team led by coach Ramón Díaz got over the initial anxiousness to tie the match 2-2 with a late goal by Lucas Barrios in the 90th minute.

The first goal was scored by Sergio “Kun” Agüero in the 29th minute of the first half, taking advantage of a failed pass by a Paraguayan defender to his goalkeeper Antony Silva. Less than ten minutes later, Lio Messi stretched the difference scoring a penalty kick. That way, Argentina sealed a perfect first half in which Paraguay could not shoot on goal.

However, the team coached by Argentine Ramón Díaz leveled the game during the second half and scored in the 15th minute with a long shot by Nelson Valdes. Argentine coach Gerardo Martino made two substitutions: Tévez and Higuaín for Pastore and Agüero. Argentina lost in defensive power and Lucas Barrios ended up tying the match in the 90th minute for Paraguay.

“We lost control; the rival had four of five chances to score and was able to tie the game,” said Martino during a press conference after the match.

The Argentine coach said the reason why the Albiceleste didn’t win was not because of the team supposed slackness, but because Paraguay successfully changed tactics.

“We had many chances, but the game we played in the second half was entirely different from the one we played in the first half. We have to revise what we did on both halves, but I think our strategy was correct,” he said.

Argentina fielded Romero; Facundo Roncaglia, Garay, Nicolás Otamendi, Rojo; Éver Banega, Mascherano, Javier Pastore; Messi, Agüero and Di María. Meanwhile, Paraguay fielded: Justo Villar; Marcos Cáceres, Paulo Da Silva, Pablo Aguilar, Miguel Samudio; Néstor Ortigoza, Víctor Cáceres, Richard Ortíz, Raúl Bobadilla; Édgar Benítez and Roque Santa Cruz.

In this 2015 edition of the Copa América, the Albiceleste hopes to end a 22-year wait for a title since its last triumph, after defeats by Brazil in the 2004 and 2007 cup finals and last year’s World Cup loss to Germany in Rio.

“This generation deserves to achieve something,” Messi said earlier this week. “We felt very bad (after the World Cup final) and now we can get a trophy we desire very much.”

With the unexpected tie in La Serena, the Albiceleste got off to a bad start.

Argentina face defending champions Uruguay in their next match in La Serena on Tuesday while Paraguay face Jamaica in Antofagasta on the same day.
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Post by: asylumseeker on June 14, 2015, 12:53:38 PM
Schaefer’s Boyz give positive show even as they fall to Uruguay
By Ian Burnett (Jamaica Observer).


ANTOFAGASTA, Chile -- It was more than the cliché 'David vs Goliath' story.

It was the unknown Caribbean champions Jamaica, ranked 65 on the Coca-Cola FIFA list, taking on the two-time World Cup champions Uruguay, 15-time kings of South America.

Very few had given the invited guests from CONCACAF a winning chance against Uruguay in the opening Group B game inside the Estadio Regional Calvo y Bascunan at this the 44th edition of Copa America Chile 2015.

In the end, the Reggae Boyz gave as much as they got, and even more in a very professional display, despite going down 0-1, courtesy of a second-half strike from Cristian Rodriquez.

The result left Jamaica bottom of the four-team group without a point, with Uruguay ahead, followed by Argentina and Paraguay on one point each, having played out a pulsating 2-2 result inside Estadio La Portada in La Serena.

Jamaica will oppose Paraguay at 6:00 pm (4:00 pm Jamaica time) on Tuesday at the same venue here, while Argentina will oppose Uruguay in a gigantic clash two-and-a-half hours later at the same stadium in La Serena.

Sticking rigidly to the game plan, the Reggae Boyz sat composed behind the ball and matched their more illustrious opponents throughout the first half, oftentimes creating panic on the counterattack, even while dishing out a bit of flair, for which the continent is renowned.

Jamaican goalkeeper DuWayne Kerr had very little to worry about until he was forced into his first real save near the interval when he got down smartly to collect a left-footed drive from Rodriquez on the second attempt.

But in what was the key moment which might have given the Boyz the edge in the first half, Darren Mattocks broke into the penalty area after a fine run and team play on the left, instigated by Simon Dawkins. The wily Derby County player picked out Mattocks with a beautiful pass and the Vancouver frontman cut between the two towering Atletico de Madrid centre backs, Jose Gimenez and captain Diego Godin, but with goalkeeper Fernando Muslera at his mercy, Mattocks mishit his right-footed effort which was gratefully accepted by the Uruguayan number one.

The largely Chilean crowd inside the stadium displayed their appreciation for the disciplined first-half performance by roundly cheering the Jamaican team off the pitch, clearly surprised at its high standard of play.

But as fate would have it, the Boyz would pay for that miss, as only seven minutes into the second half the defending champions struck, thanks largely to the generosity of Ecuadorean referee Carlos Vera.

As new boy Michael Hector battled with Diego Rolan for the ball, Vera whistled for a foul on the forward, much to the chagrin of the players in yellow. They sensed the danger, as the freekick was awarded just a few metres from the goal line, and just outside the 18-yard box on the left.

Nicolas Lodeiro whipped in the ball at the back post where Jose Gimenez smartly headed back to the centre for Rodriquez to pounce with an easy side foot tap in just ahead of Captain Rodolph Austin.

The Jamaicans pushed back at their opponents and had a few half-chances, with headers from Giles Barnes and Deshorn Brown going agonisingly wide from left side crosses by substitute Lance Laing. Barnes also had a volleyed effort off target with Muslera scrambling across his goal.

As the final whistle approached, and the Boyz still on the hunt for a goal, Uruguay went close to adding to their tally when substitute Christian Stuani volleyed into the ground and over the crossbar after Edinson Cavani had beaten the back line to provide an inviting cross to the centre.

In the end, the positive result went Uruguay's way, but some of the Jamaican players and support staff still conjured up the desire to snap pictures with Cavani at mid pitch, the Paris Saint-Germain striker being the undoubted, most high-profile player in the team, especially with Barcelona's Luis Suarez suspended from the tournament by FIFA following his biting incident at last year's World Cup Finals against Italy.

The top two teams from each of the three groups advance to the knockout stage, as do the two best third-placed teams.

Teams

Jamaica -- DuWayne Kerr, Michael Hector, Wes Morgan, Adrian Mariappa, Kemar Lawrence, Rodolph Austin, Joel McAnuff, Garath McCleary, Simon Dawkins (Lance Laing 54th), Giles Barnes, Darren Mattocks (Deshorn Brown 75th).

Subs not used: Dwayne Miller, Daniel Gordon, Romeo Parkes, Hughan Gray, Dino Williams, Allan Ottey, Joel Grant, Jermaine Taylor, Ryan Thompson.

Booked: McAnuff (27th)

Uruguay -- Fernando Muslera, Jose Gimenez, Diego Godin, Carlos Sanchez (Christian Stuani 73rd), Alvaro Pereira, Cristian Rodriquez (Giogian de Arrascaeta 64th), Diego Rolan, Nicolas Lodeiro (Alvaro Gonzalez 86th), Maximiliano Pereira, Egidio Arevalo, Edinson Cavani.

Subs not used: Jorge Fucile, Abel Hernandez, Rodrigo Munoz, Gaston Silva, Guzman Pereira, Mathias Cotujo, Sebastian Coates, Jonathan Rodriquez, Martin Silva.

Booked: Gimenez (59th), Godin (84th)

Referee: Carlos Vera (Ecuador)

Assistant Referees: Cristian Lezcano (Ecuador), Byron Romero (Ecuador)

Fourth Official: Jorge Osorio (Chile)
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on June 14, 2015, 03:52:23 PM
Ven beat Colombia 1-0. Beautiful header by Rondon. Brazil and Peru was 1-1 went Directv feed getting screw up bu thunder storm in our area. Peru scored in the 2 min. But Neymar scored a beautiful header.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Peong on June 14, 2015, 04:21:25 PM
Neymar double cap a man and the man wrestle him to the ground.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 14, 2015, 04:48:34 PM
David Luiz is too composed?
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 14, 2015, 05:24:39 PM
What a pass by Neymar!  :notworthy:
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on June 14, 2015, 05:28:47 PM
What a pass by Neymar!  :notworthy:

Que passa! Although I think that dude was offside. But with pass like that ......
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on June 14, 2015, 05:30:08 PM
What a pass by Neymar!  :notworthy:

It was special. Took about 5 Peruvians out the play.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Peong on June 14, 2015, 05:32:32 PM
One of the best passes I ever see in my life!   :o
He take out the entire defence and the goalie was barely able to reach back himself.
That was a big play.
Genius pass to pull ahead deep in injury time.  Peru just hadda hold dat yes.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 14, 2015, 05:44:03 PM
One of the best passes I ever see in my life!   :o
He take out the entire defence and the goalie was barely able to reach back himself.
That was a big play.
Genius pass to pull ahead deep in injury time.  Peru just hadda hold dat yes.

Dahis wha I saying. The gk put in a very valiant effort to get there.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 14, 2015, 05:46:58 PM
What a pass by Neymar!  :notworthy:

Que passa! Although I think that dude was offside. But with pass like that ......

Me too, but they refuse to show any angle that let us figure it out.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 14, 2015, 05:50:56 PM
What a pass by Neymar!  :notworthy:

It was special. Took about 5 Peruvians out the play.

Right after it happened I had to slow it down to count ... 6 defenders. One of the things that added to the complexity of the pass is that the defenders appealed for offside (and the third attacker coming down the central channel was offside ... but he wasn't in the play).

Initially yuh could be forgiven for thinking that he might have been trying to reach the central runner ... but the weight of the pass and when he started the movement indicate his intention. Dahis a pass with a legacy!
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 14, 2015, 05:52:33 PM
What a pass by Neymar!  :notworthy:

Que passa! Although I think that dude was offside. But with pass like that ......

Me too, but they refuse to show any angle that let us figure it out.

Not offside. The angle is there. I slowed it down and incredibly Douglas was onside. Brilliant. I had meh doubts but ... he was on.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Peong on June 14, 2015, 05:58:14 PM
They showed it after, he was onside.  Neymar stunned everybody with that pass. 
Douglas had to compose himself to shoot because I bet in his head he was sayin "BWDMC I seein here?"
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: reggae-fan on June 14, 2015, 06:03:27 PM
Schaefer’s Boyz give positive show even as they fall to Uruguay
By Ian Burnett (Jamaica Observer).


ANTOFAGASTA, Chile -- It was more than the cliché 'David vs Goliath' story.

It was the unknown Caribbean champions Jamaica, ranked 65 on the Coca-Cola FIFA list, taking on the two-time World Cup champions Uruguay, 15-time kings of South America.

Very few had given the invited guests from CONCACAF a winning chance against Uruguay in the opening Group B game inside the Estadio Regional Calvo y Bascunan at this the 44th edition of Copa America Chile 2015.

In the end, the Reggae Boyz gave as much as they got, and even more in a very professional display, despite going down 0-1, courtesy of a second-half strike from Cristian Rodriquez.

The result left Jamaica bottom of the four-team group without a point, with Uruguay ahead, followed by Argentina and Paraguay on one point each, having played out a pulsating 2-2 result inside Estadio La Portada in La Serena.

Jamaica will oppose Paraguay at 6:00 pm (4:00 pm Jamaica time) on Tuesday at the same venue here, while Argentina will oppose Uruguay in a gigantic clash two-and-a-half hours later at the same stadium in La Serena.

Sticking rigidly to the game plan, the Reggae Boyz sat composed behind the ball and matched their more illustrious opponents throughout the first half, oftentimes creating panic on the counterattack, even while dishing out a bit of flair, for which the continent is renowned.

Jamaican goalkeeper DuWayne Kerr had very little to worry about until he was forced into his first real save near the interval when he got down smartly to collect a left-footed drive from Rodriquez on the second attempt.

But in what was the key moment which might have given the Boyz the edge in the first half, Darren Mattocks broke into the penalty area after a fine run and team play on the left, instigated by Simon Dawkins. The wily Derby County player picked out Mattocks with a beautiful pass and the Vancouver frontman cut between the two towering Atletico de Madrid centre backs, Jose Gimenez and captain Diego Godin, but with goalkeeper Fernando Muslera at his mercy, Mattocks mishit his right-footed effort which was gratefully accepted by the Uruguayan number one.

The largely Chilean crowd inside the stadium displayed their appreciation for the disciplined first-half performance by roundly cheering the Jamaican team off the pitch, clearly surprised at its high standard of play.

But as fate would have it, the Boyz would pay for that miss, as only seven minutes into the second half the defending champions struck, thanks largely to the generosity of Ecuadorean referee Carlos Vera.

As new boy Michael Hector battled with Diego Rolan for the ball, Vera whistled for a foul on the forward, much to the chagrin of the players in yellow. They sensed the danger, as the freekick was awarded just a few metres from the goal line, and just outside the 18-yard box on the left.

Nicolas Lodeiro whipped in the ball at the back post where Jose Gimenez smartly headed back to the centre for Rodriquez to pounce with an easy side foot tap in just ahead of Captain Rodolph Austin.

The Jamaicans pushed back at their opponents and had a few half-chances, with headers from Giles Barnes and Deshorn Brown going agonisingly wide from left side crosses by substitute Lance Laing. Barnes also had a volleyed effort off target with Muslera scrambling across his goal.

As the final whistle approached, and the Boyz still on the hunt for a goal, Uruguay went close to adding to their tally when substitute Christian Stuani volleyed into the ground and over the crossbar after Edinson Cavani had beaten the back line to provide an inviting cross to the centre.

In the end, the positive result went Uruguay's way, but some of the Jamaican players and support staff still conjured up the desire to snap pictures with Cavani at mid pitch, the Paris Saint-Germain striker being the undoubted, most high-profile player in the team, especially with Barcelona's Luis Suarez suspended from the tournament by FIFA following his biting incident at last year's World Cup Finals against Italy.

The top two teams from each of the three groups advance to the knockout stage, as do the two best third-placed teams.

Teams

Jamaica -- DuWayne Kerr, Michael Hector, Wes Morgan, Adrian Mariappa, Kemar Lawrence, Rodolph Austin, Joel McAnuff, Garath McCleary, Simon Dawkins (Lance Laing 54th), Giles Barnes, Darren Mattocks (Deshorn Brown 75th).

Subs not used: Dwayne Miller, Daniel Gordon, Romeo Parkes, Hughan Gray, Dino Williams, Allan Ottey, Joel Grant, Jermaine Taylor, Ryan Thompson.

Booked: McAnuff (27th)

Uruguay -- Fernando Muslera, Jose Gimenez, Diego Godin, Carlos Sanchez (Christian Stuani 73rd), Alvaro Pereira, Cristian Rodriquez (Giogian de Arrascaeta 64th), Diego Rolan, Nicolas Lodeiro (Alvaro Gonzalez 86th), Maximiliano Pereira, Egidio Arevalo, Edinson Cavani.

Subs not used: Jorge Fucile, Abel Hernandez, Rodrigo Munoz, Gaston Silva, Guzman Pereira, Mathias Cotujo, Sebastian Coates, Jonathan Rodriquez, Martin Silva.

Booked: Gimenez (59th), Godin (84th)

Referee: Carlos Vera (Ecuador)

Assistant Referees: Cristian Lezcano (Ecuador), Byron Romero (Ecuador)

Fourth Official: Jorge Osorio (Chile)

I'm bitterly disappointed in the result, but very pleased by the disciplined play of the boys.   The next game vs Paraguay will be an interesting one.  Schaeffer clearly has gotten the players to buy into his concept of how the game should be played.  Todays 1 - 0 victory by Venezuela of Columbia also shows indirectly how Jamaica compares to the remaining teams, as Jamaica had a very comfortable victory over this Venezuelan team a month or so ago in Montego Bay.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 14, 2015, 06:44:57 PM
They showed it after, he was onside.  Neymar stunned everybody with that pass. 
Douglas had to compose himself to shoot because I bet in his head he was sayin "BWDMC I seein here?"

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: To his credit he made de run ... or not it woulda been Neymar sayin dat.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 15, 2015, 06:17:02 AM
http://cdn2.streamable.com/video/85e1125012ec11e5b0e335ab96ec2763.webm
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 15, 2015, 06:42:24 AM
http://cdn2.streamable.com/video/85e1125012ec11e5b0e335ab96ec2763.webm

Wha yuh think?
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on June 15, 2015, 09:51:36 AM
http://cdn2.streamable.com/video/85e1125012ec11e5b0e335ab96ec2763.webm

Wha yuh think?

Not off-side. When the pass was made Douglas was in an onside position. The defender lunged slightly forward and paused in an attempt for setting an offside trap and that gave Douglas lots of space.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on June 15, 2015, 01:25:37 PM
Ohh Neymar http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/6/14/8779187/neymar-move-video-brazil-peru-copa-america
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 15, 2015, 03:51:47 PM
Ecuador is working hard on living up to its underachiever status. Dey up against de rails versus Bolivia.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 15, 2015, 08:15:05 PM
Ecuador 2 Bolivia 3: Smedberg-Dalence stars in thriller
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Bolivia held on for a 3-2 victory over a fast-finishing Ecuador in Valparaiso, to kick-start their Copa America Group A campaign. After both nations went goalless in their tournament openers in Chile, Monday's encounter saw both hit the back of the net - with Bolivia going three clear by half-time courtesy of goals to Ronald Raldes, Martin Smedberg-Dalence and Marcelo Moreno.

Enner Valencia pulled one back for Ecuador just after the interval.

Gustavo Quinteros' men then made for a thrilling finish when Miller Bolanos struck a cracker from range in the 81st minute, however an equaliser went begging.

Captain Raldes gave Bolivia the perfect start, burying a stooping header from Smedberg-Dalence's corner in the fifth minute. Smedberg-Dalence had already shown his prowess from dead-ball situations in the first minute, when he forced Ecuador goalkeeper Alexander Dominguez to tip a curling effort around the post.
The former Sweden Under-19 representative got his just desserts for being Bolivia's greatest threat in attack, when he curled a shot past Dominguez from outside the penalty area - after receiving a lay-off pass from Moreno. It was Smedberg-Dalence's first international goal, in just his fourth cap.

Ecuador dominated possession as Bolivia sat on their lead, and it looked to have mounted towards something when referee Joel Aguilar pointed to the spot late in the first half. Valencia had earned Ecuador a corner, and when the West Ham man was awaiting a ball in - Edward Zenteno was sighted for a push on him, with the Bolivian yellow-carded for his efforts despite contact not seeming substantial. Valencia's luck ran out there and then, however - as he buried the spot-kick, only for it to be recalled for an encroachment. He switched directions for his second attempt - however Romel Quinonez dived the same way - to his right - to keep out the effort.

A brain fade from Frickson Erazo led to a Bolivia penalty in the 43rd minute. Erazo raised his foot to try and clear it from deep in their defence, however the head of Damian Lizio was nearby, and referee Aguilar pointed to the spot. Moreno made no mistake, burying a powerful penalty past Dominguez, who guessed the right way to no avail.

Ecuador desperately sought a way back into the contest early in the second half. They were rewarded with Valencia on hand to tap home into an unguarded net, after Jefferson Montero cut back a pass for him having drawn Quinonez off his line. Bolivia sought to counter Ecuador's momentum, bringing on defender Cristian Coimbra for right-sided attacker Ricardo Pedriel in the 57th minute.

And Ecuador, much like the first half, failed to find adequate space inside their area until Bolanos' dipping strike from distance snuck in under Quinonez's crossbar to make it 3-2.

Christian Noboa almost scored a stunning equaliser, but he was denied by the crossbar with yet another long-range strike as Bolivia held on.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 15, 2015, 08:21:32 PM
Chile 3 Mexico 3: Vidal stars as hosts are held
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Chile played out a 3-3 draw against Mexico at the Copa America after a starring display by midfielder Arturo Vidal.

Vidal netted a brace, and set up Eduardo Vargas, as Chile twice came from behind before then giving up a second-half lead.

Vicente Vuoso struck twice for Mexico and Raul Jimenez also scored, with the hosts denied a winner by two close offside calls - including Alexis Sanchez appearing to be on when he netted.

Chile top Group A on four points, while Bolivia (4), Mexico (2) and Ecuador (0) are behind them.

It was a cagey opening in Santiago, with neither the hosts nor their opponents able to create much in the opening exchanges. But the game came to life in the 21st minute.

Chile were caught outnumbered in defence, and it led to Juan Carlos Medina squaring for Vuoso to scramble in the game's opening goal. Jorge Sampaoli's men responded almost immediately through Vidal.

Charles Aranguiz's corner found the Juventus star unmarked near the penalty spot, and he buried his header into the bottom corner. The goals continued to come and Mexico retook the lead just before the half-hour mark. Jimenez got on the end of Adrian Aldrete's corner, somehow directing his header into the corner to put Mexico 2-1 up. But, once again, Miguel Herrera's men would be pegged back.

This time it was Vargas with a header, getting on the end of Vidal's cross in the 42nd minute to level the contest at 2-2. Just 10 minutes into the second half and Vidal's brilliant outing continued. He looked to take a Sanchez pass inside the area but was clumsily brought down by Gerardo Flores after taking a touch, earning a penalty. Vidal stepped up and sent Jose de Jesus Corona the wrong way, scoring his second spot-kick in as many games.

Jorge Valdivia rifled in a 64th-minute strike, but it was ruled out after Vidal - who knocked down the header - was ruled offside in a close call. Chile would rue that moment soon after as Vuoso equalised.

Aldrete put Vuoso in behind and he made no mistake with a smart hooked finish past the onrushing Claudio Bravo.

Valdivia had a shot go inches wide after wonderful build-up play that finished with Vidal laying off to him on the edge of the area as Chile pushed.

Sanchez thought he had scored the winner with 10 minutes remaining as he tapped in a Mauricio Isla cross, but the flag went up once more as no winner was forthcoming for Chile.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Flex on June 16, 2015, 05:44:03 PM
Jamaica goalkeeper heads ball off attacker, it bounces into his goal

https://vine.co/v/eeEWluZlErM

Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 16, 2015, 09:12:17 PM
Schafer rues 'crazy goal', demands new ideas in attack
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Winfried Schafer lamented a "crazy goal" in Jamaica's 1-0 Copa America loss to Paraguay, but said his side had to improve their abilities up front.

Duwayne Kerr came out to deal with a long ball from Paraguay's Victor Caceres, the goalkeeper's headed clearance going straight at the awaiting Edgar Benitez - and the ball deflected off the attacker's thigh and looped back into the unguarded net.

Schafer claimed his side had good enough chances to equalise, but conceded they needed to find a better system up front prior to their World Cup qualifiers in August and September. "Two matches and no goals for us, you can see our problem," Schafer told a news conference. "We lost against Uruguay via a free-kick, we lost today due to a crazy goal. "Our strikers have to move to give more options for the midfielders, defenders ... I hope I find a team that can play like this against Argentina.

"This tournament is for us to find a very good team for the qualification matches in August, September."

Schafer hinted his side might have to take a leaf out of conquerors Paraguay's books, as Ramon Diaz's men played several corners short in a bid to meddle the Jamaican defence.

"We have many free-kicks in the first half, and corners," the German coach said. "Only one situation was dangerous for Paraguay - we need more surprises with our free-kicks, new ideas, not every time the ball has to go towards the goal [face]. "I hope, in training, we can discover a new idea against Argentina."

He added: "The second half was the same as our first half against Uruguay. "When you want to play in a high level, at a Copa America, you have to always play 100 per cent, fighting.

"First half, we didn't play good football."

Jamaica take on Argentina in Vina del Mar on Saturday.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 16, 2015, 09:17:05 PM
Argentina 1 Uruguay 0: Aguero decides tense local derby
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Argentina bounced back from their draw with Paraguay to overcome arch-rivals Uruguay 1-0 in a tense encounter at the 2015 Copa America.

Sergio Aguero's second-half header separated the two sides in La Serena, Chile, and gave Argentina victory to take Gerardo Martino's side to four points in Group B after they started the tournament with a 2-2 draw.

After his team surrendered a two-goal lead against Paraguay on Saturday, Martino would have been pleased with how Argentina ground out a result at the Estadio La Portada de La Serena, although the 52-year-old coach had to watch almost an hour from the stands. Martino was sent off in the 33rd minute, seemingly arguing a yellow card against Uruguay's Nicolas Lodeiro was too lenient.

Although Argentina produced more chances, Uruguay coach Oscar Tabarez should take some positives from his team's performance, as they had a handful of genuine opportunities to score. Bordeaux striker Diego Rolan was the most profligate of the Uruguayans, missing three top chances, including his blaze over the bar from inside the box with 15 minutes remaining.

The win took Argentina into second position in Group B on four points, only behind Paraguay on goals scored, while Uruguay (3) sit third ahead of Jamaica (0).

After a tight opening to the game, Argentina generally had the better of the first half. Angel di Maria produced the first genuine chance but shot straight at Uruguay goalkeeper Fernando Muslera. Aguero forced Muslera into a stop down low with a header in the 26th minute, while Uruguay tested their opponents aerially as well.

Rolan had two good chances to score, failing to get his head on a cross in the first instance, before glancing an effort wide at the half-hour mark, while Diego Godin also had an opportunity from a corner. But neither side could breach the opposing defence until Aguero's effort after the break.

Javier Pastore found a pocket of space on the right in the 56th minute, releasing Pablo Zabaleta on an overlapping run and the Manchester City full-back whipped his cross to the near post, where a diving Aguero provided the final touch past Muslera.

The rest of the second half descended into a collection of fouls, scuffles and yellow cards as Uruguay became increasingly frustrated, with Rolan's miss after Sergio Romero parried a drive into the forward's path not helping their mental state.

Rolan almost redeemed himself with two minutes left but his header from a corner was cleared off the line, while Romero was forced into a top save to deny Abel Hernandez soon after.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 18, 2015, 11:25:07 AM
Does Neymar have the maturity to wear the captain's armband?
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 18, 2015, 12:07:00 PM
Arturo Vidal remains in Chile squad because of Jorge Sampaoli's loyalty
Tim Vickery (ESPNFC).


Chile's man of Monday became the twit of Tuesday.

"Arturo alarms Chile," read the headline on one of the nation's major newspapers Wednesday morning. Arturo Vidal, the two-goal hero of Monday's draw against Mexico and the current Copa America top scorer, had been involved in a car accident. Driving back to the team's training complex Tuesday night, he crashed his Ferrari. He sustained only light wounds, while his wife was a little more badly hurt. The article concluded that Vidal had been taken for routine tests, but the worst was yet to come.

Later, police said Vidal was driving with 1.2 grams of alcohol per litre of blood in his system -- which equates to a blood alcohol content of 0.12 -- and therefore faced the loss of his driving licence and the possibility of a prison sentence of between 61 and 540 days. A full investigation will be carried out over the course of the next three months.

"I had a couple of drinks," he said in a prepared statement. "Then I had the accident that everyone knows about. I placed at risk the life of my wife and of other people. I am deeply regretful. I would like to apologise to my colleagues, the directors and to the entire country. I'm going to give my all so that we can be champions."

Vidal was assuming that he will be allowed to continue playing in the Copa America. But earlier in the day it was seen as a real possibility that he might be dropped from the squad. It seems that coach Jorge Sampaoli met with Sergio Jadue, head of the Chilean FA, to discuss the case. It was clear that Sampaoli did not want to lose one of his most important players.

"He made a mistake, which is not so serious to exclude him," said Sampaoli in a news conference. "I don't think that we should exclude someone for making a mistake." The coach looked a little uncomfortable when he was reminded that he had previously dropped midfielder Charles Aranguiz for oversleeping, but the circumstances are different. That was for a friendly match. This is in Chile's Copa America, one of the most important moments in their footballing history. It is the time when Chile go into a competition with a real chance of winning something at last.

Sampaoli is showing loyalty to someone who has been loyal to him. The coach recognised that Vidal put his career on the line last year, rushing back prematurely from a knee injury to play in the World Cup. And Sampaoli is also being loyal to a player who is a fundamental part of his plans. Last year Vidal was clearly short of 100 percent fitness. Now he is firing on all cylinders, coming up with imperious moments on the field that live up to his nickname of "King Arthur."

His other nickname is "Celia Punk," as he is a fan of Celia Cruz, and he sports a Mohawk and a rebellious spirit that is part of his strength as a player. But he can overstep the limits, both on the field and off it. He has been involved in a past incident playing for Chile when he and a few teammates broke curfew to celebrate the baptism of Jorge Valdivia's child. And, as Wednesday morning's hearing revealed, he also has a record behind the wheel, of speeding and not obeying traffic lights.

Since Vidal is 28 years old, Sampaoli has the right to expect more from one of his senior players. "I can't keep them cooped up in the training camp all the time," said the coach. But if this tournament were being played anywhere else, the players would not have the same freedom of movement because they'd be traveling on team buses.

Sampaoli has been worried all along about the pressures of being the home side. He considered preparing his team in Spain and bringing them home on the eve of the competition, keeping them away from the local hype for as long as possible -- a plan that was abandoned in early May. One problem that he probably had not imagined is that one of his best players would get behind the wheel of a Ferrari after "a couple of drinks".
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on June 18, 2015, 09:21:09 PM
Does Neymar have the maturity to wear the captain's armband?
Not yet IMO....but I read the coach gave him the armband so he can show more maturity.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 19, 2015, 08:15:38 AM
Does Neymar have the maturity to wear the captain's armband?
Not yet IMO....but I read the coach gave him the armband so he can show more maturity.

Yeah, I agree he isn't there yet ... but as I consider it more, 2018 is three years away, and with the armband for three years he could/should grow to embrace the role. Tournaments like the Copa America, and (as is Dunga's bet) the Confederations Cup, are grooming on the job. However, when I look at Messi with the armband and I look at Neymar with the armband, I see a disparity ... and Messi is still growing in the role.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on June 19, 2015, 09:30:58 AM
Does Neymar have the maturity to wear the captain's armband?
Not yet IMO....but I read the coach gave him the armband so he can show more maturity.

Yeah, I agree he isn't there yet ... but as I consider it more, 2018 is three years away, and with the armband for three years he could/should grow to embrace the role. Tournaments like the Copa America, and (as is Dunga's bet) the Confederations Cup, are grooming on the job. However, when I look at Messi with the armband and I look at Neymar with the armband, I see a disparity ... and Messi is still growing in the role.

You're right, I think Dunga's plan is to groom him into the role. Despite the red card, I applauded his maturity when speaking to reporters afterwards. He took the responsibility for his actions and did not shy away from the questions so maybe it can be a learning experience and step in the right direction.
 
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on June 19, 2015, 07:02:36 PM
With that being said, he's suspended for the rest of the tournament, 4 games.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Peong on June 19, 2015, 07:54:25 PM
Chile playing some good ball.  They could real knock boy.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 20, 2015, 10:05:09 AM
With that being said, he's suspended for the rest of the tournament, 4 games.

He gets a four match ban for on field conduct. Vidal gets to keep on balling for off the field conduct (however bear in mind consequences have flowed for off the field conduct in the past). Good thing Suarez is banned from this tournament.  :devil:

Expect more drama as we get into the elimination rounds.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: kaliman2006 on June 20, 2015, 10:44:31 AM
Any online links for the matches?
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Peong on June 20, 2015, 01:34:37 PM
http://livetv.sx/en/
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: kaliman2006 on June 20, 2015, 02:48:26 PM
http://livetv.sx/en/

Thank you
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: kaliman2006 on June 20, 2015, 03:18:28 PM
Go Jamaica!
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 20, 2015, 04:23:15 PM
Jobi "better I beg him for his shirt at half time before these vultures swarm him" McAnuff.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: AB.Trini on June 20, 2015, 05:11:00 PM
Go Jamaica!

Steups!!
 In the words of BigMagician " f....k Jamaica"
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on June 20, 2015, 06:44:21 PM
Jamaica did well. Originally I was indifferent about their participation in the copa but after Cavani's comment it struck me that maybe most of these nations really look down on football and people in the region. So I was happy that they did OK but not too good. They were representing caribbean football over the last 2 weeks.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Zeppo on June 20, 2015, 08:16:58 PM
Jamaica did well.

Well, they never got blown out in any of their games. But over all three of them they only managed 2 total shots on goal.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: MEP on June 20, 2015, 08:21:29 PM
Jamaica did well.

Well, they never got blown out in any of their games. But over all three of them they only managed 2 total shots on goal.
yuh talking ass go check yuh facts.....
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: reggae-fan on June 20, 2015, 08:37:31 PM
Well, they never got blown out in any of their games. But over all three of them they only managed 2 total shots on goal.

Really?  did you expect Jamaica to rain goals on Argentina's accomplished backline?  Jamaica is two or three good attacking players away from being a decent international team.   I put it to you to Jamaica would do much better against the weaker teams at the tourney, Bolivia, Ecuador etc.  Credit to Winfried Schaeffer.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Zeppo on June 20, 2015, 08:49:53 PM
Jamaica did well.

Well, they never got blown out in any of their games. But over all three of them they only managed 2 total shots on goal.
yuh talking ass go check yuh facts.....

Here are your facts, straight from the tournament's official website:

Against Uruguay - 0 (http://www.ca2015.com/en/match/stats/1947887)

Against Paraguay - 1 (http://www.ca2015.com/en/match/stats/1947903)

Against Argentina - 1 (http://www.ca2015.com/en/match/stats/1947909)
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: reggae-fan on June 21, 2015, 05:00:39 AM
Here are your facts, straight from the tournament's official website:

Against Uruguay - 0 (http://www.ca2015.com/en/match/stats/1947887)

Against Paraguay - 1 (http://www.ca2015.com/en/match/stats/1947903)

Against Argentina - 1 (http://www.ca2015.com/en/match/stats/1947909)

I suppose you were expecting the likes of Darren Mattocks, Giles Barnes, Deshorn Brown etc to waltz into the Copa America and dominate world class defenders like Zabaleta, Demichelis, Mascharano, Diego Godin etc. You expected these same strikers to out-shoot and outscore Higuain, Cavani, Tevez, Di Maria, Messi?

I suspect you might have been expecting 6-0 and 5-0 scores for Jamaica against these teams before the tournament started.

VS Uruguay
Jamaica had 48.3% posession,
5 corners (they had 2)
19 total crosses (they had 15)
394 total passes (they had 435)
10 Total shots - they had 11 (including shots blocked or off target)

VS Paraguay
Jamaica had 46% posession,
3 corners (they had 7)
16 total crosses (they had 15)
348 total passes (they had 417)
5 Total shots - they had 15 (including shots blocked or off target)

VS Argentina
Jamaica had 30% possession, Argentina had 70% :o 
5 corners (they had 7)
16 total crosses (they had 21)
255 total passes (they had 719  :o )
5 Total shots - they had 19 (including shots blocked or off target)

Good effort from the Africans Jamaicans, something to build on for the Gold cup and good experience for the coach and players.  They had a disciplined tournament, i see 0 red card or suspensions...take that Neymar :)
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: pull stones on June 21, 2015, 05:19:27 AM
i must confess i admire your players and their total commitment to their national colors. somehow i wish you could transfer that to our boys who is plagued with the prima donna syndrome particularly kenny jones and peltier. your defense was very organized and your midfield speedy in transition, and if we had a player like mc annuf and austin we would be a totally different team. and yes that kid kemar lawrence is going place what a wonderful defender.  you guys will do well in the gold cup with this team, maybe even win it.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: reggae-fan on June 21, 2015, 05:42:13 AM
i must confess i admire your players and their total commitment to their national colors. somehow i wish you could transfer that to our boys who is plagued with the prima donna syndrome particularly kenny jones and peltier. your defense was very organized and your midfield speedy in transition, and if we had a player like mc annuf and austin we would be a totally different team. and yes that kid kemar lawrence is going place what a wonderful defender.  you guys will do well in the gold cup with this team, maybe even win it.

If the players respect the coach and his philosophy he brings, the commitment will come naturally.  Early days yet, but I believe that the players have bought into the coaches overall philosophy and vision...similar to what you had under Beenhakker, and what Jamaica had under previously under Simoes. Otto Pfister I believe also was a good coach for T&T.

If you are going to use an international coach, it must be one that appreciate the people and the culture of the nation. I believe Winfried has a genuine appreciation for Jamaica and its culture. I hope he sticks around and sees out his contract with the JFF.

https://twitter.com/WinniSchaefer (https://twitter.com/WinniSchaefer)

 
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on June 21, 2015, 07:42:51 AM
RF don't worry with Zeppo there is obviously more to a game than stats show. I watched the Uruguay and the Argentina games and even though the Jamaicans did not have many shots on target they had the ball in threatening positions. They lacked the final pass. And Zeppo i know you think the US is a football superpower but even if the USA brought their A squad to the Copa America they would be going home in the first round. I would have them collecting 2 draws vs Uruguay and Paraguay and a loss to Argentina. As much as you think the US is superior they also tend to bunker in big tournaments vs big teams. This wouldn't be a glorified friendly, in official games the US game plan is totally different.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 21, 2015, 03:49:29 PM
is Robinho I seeing dey?
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 21, 2015, 04:17:46 PM
is Robinho I seeing dey?

And without cobwebs.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 21, 2015, 04:19:16 PM
Miranda with the armband. Hmmm.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 21, 2015, 05:20:35 PM
Did this contest really need David Luiz?
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on June 21, 2015, 05:29:24 PM
Brazil topped their group, Venezuela almost had an equalizer in stoppage time
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Zeppo on June 21, 2015, 09:22:13 PM
I suppose you were expecting the likes of Darren Mattocks, Giles Barnes, Deshorn Brown etc to waltz into the Copa America and dominate world class defenders like Zabaleta, Demichelis, Mascharano, Diego Godin etc. You expected these same strikers to out-shoot and outscore Higuain, Cavani, Tevez, Di Maria, Messi?

I suspect you might have been expecting 6-0 and 5-0 scores for Jamaica against these teams before the tournament started.

I wasn't expecting anything like that. Just saying that for Jamaica in this tournament there were both positives (managed to stay relatively organized and concede few goals) and negatives (toothless attack).
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: reggae-fan on June 22, 2015, 04:57:28 AM
I wasn't expecting anything like that. Just saying that for Jamaica in this tournament there were both positives (managed to stay relatively organized and concede few goals) and negatives (toothless attack).

Jamaica's problem has forever been inability to score goals..But as anyone with knowledge of the game will tell you, you buld your team around defence first. Darren Mattocks, Giles Barnes, are perhaps average strikers at CONCACAF level, they were never going to score tons of goals at the Copa America...i believe enough chances were created for them to score at least 3 goals in the tournament.  Not quite sure how the coach plans to solve that problem...not easy to fix, its a cultural thing for Jamaica.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 22, 2015, 07:07:10 AM
Last night, after the Brazil-Venezuela match, it was confirmed that Neymar will be leaving the Copa America. He'll be packing his bags and checking out of the Sheraton today. The federation decided not to appeal, and indications are that the one man charged with entertaining the appeal/making the decision ... Guillermo Santos from Ecuador ... had decided that the ban would stick.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 22, 2015, 07:22:41 AM
Teams eliminated from the competition

Ecuador
Jamaica
Mexico
Venezuela

Quarterfinal matches

Chile v Uruguay ............. Wednesday, June 24
Bolivia v Peru ................ Thursday, June 25
Argentina v Colombia ...... Friday, June 26
Brazil v Paraguay ........... Saturday, June 27

Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 22, 2015, 07:40:25 AM
(http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5921809.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Messi-selfie.jpg)

Guerra is off de hook.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on June 22, 2015, 08:17:12 AM
For real lol...Even Messi said he was surprized
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on June 22, 2015, 10:54:29 AM
Allyuh still on Guerra case with that.
Title: This Foreign Philosophy
Post by: Tallman on June 23, 2015, 07:17:46 AM
This Foreign Philosophy
By Oral Tracey (Jamaica Gleaner)


Having seen what is being touted as Jamaica's strongest possible team play as guests in the ongoing Copa America tournament in Chile, I am left bitterly disappointed.

I was otherwise engaged and missed their first game against Uruguay which, by all accounts, was a fair performance despite the result. The fact of the matter, though, is that they lost that game, as well as the element of surprise. After that, it was all downhill for the Reggae Boyz.

In all fairness, they were playing in one of the most difficult international tournaments in world football, and against some of the best players on the planet, an absolute far cry from beating Haiti, Martinique, Antigua & Barbuda, and Trinidad & Tobago and winning the Caribbean Cup. In assessing the game of football at any level, though, there are two fundamental things to look for: how well the team maintains its shape, and how the team transitions from defence into attack, and vice versa. Every game plan and tactic revolve around that foundation.

In that regard, coaches Winfried Sch‰fer and Miguel Coley have lots of work to do with the Jamaican team. The elementary passing and movement were basically non-existent. The perennial problem of a dysfunctional or absent playmaker in midfield was crudely evident again. Jobi McAnuff, the man being heralded as the solution to that problem at almost 34 years old and on the decline. I think younger, more athletic, and hungry players should be taking over the fulcrum of the team.

The general reluctance to invest in youth has hindered the advancement of the Jamaican team. The notion that our young players are not good enough for senior football remains myopic. That elusive balance between youth, experience, and foreign and local players, is yet to be achieved. Things seem to be trending right back towards the misguided philosophy of 'the more foreign players, the better the team'.

Disappointed
 
I was personally bitterly disappointed to see that Hughan Grey, the young, locally based defender from Waterhouse Football Club, lost his place in the starting line-up. Grey was easily one of the most consistent and efficient performers coming through that Caribbean Cup triumph.

I know for a fact that even more foreign-based players were being pursued by the coaching staff for the Copa America and the Gold Cup assignments. If some of those players who were being pursued never shunned the call-up, then even more locally based players would have been sacrificed for this 'foreign philosophy'. That is a fundamental flaw that continues to cripple the development of the young local players and, ultimately, diminishes their potential contribution to the national cause.

My concerns supersede the foreign local dynamic, as the age of the team will be problematic in the not-too-distant future.

In a context where Jamaica had no realistic chance of winning the Copa America, should we realistically expect them to lift the Gold Cup title. While experience and competitive performances are important, so, too, should be the strategic exposure of and investment in young players

If the nation's football thinkers were looking beyond their noses, they would surely recognise this as a most prudent strategy. But therein lies our problem. Our football thinkers seem not to be able to see beyond their noses.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: andre samuel on June 23, 2015, 07:22:10 AM
Please tell me that this article from Oral Tracey was a joke

He cannot be serious.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Sam on June 23, 2015, 08:24:35 AM
13 Jamaica players born in foreign, what kinda youth program they running in Jamaica?

Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: lefty on June 23, 2015, 08:34:26 AM
Please tell me that this article from Oral Tracey was a joke

He cannot be serious.

I know d general mantra is field d best team no matter where dey come from but, b teams does do d grunt work....but get none of d reward...as a fella that always want to field our best teams when it matters, I does also feel it for d B teamers who do d work but must be left behind when d bigger tournys start
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: reggae-fan on June 23, 2015, 01:44:07 PM
13 Jamaica players born in foreign, what kinda youth program they running in Jamaica?

Of the 23 players in the squad that participated in the Copa America, 14 were born in Jamaica, the others outside.

But isn't it to Jamaica's credit that we have such a wide pool of players to choose from in the diasapora?   
Considering the fact that we have given England players such as John Barnes, Raheem Stirling, Daniel Sturridge, Ian Wright etc who are we to not take back some of our own from them?  Ashley Young was once interested in playing for Jamaica, but never got an invite. Imagine that. 

I have three children born in America, they are Jamaicans as much as any other kids born on the island of Jamaica...our constitution says so.

In terms of youth development...the youth players who are good enough to displace any of the seniors will get a chance to come up through the ranks. Makes no sense throwing under-20 players in the lions den before they are ready for the challenge.

Starting 11 vs Argentina
MILLER
MARIAPPA
HECTOR
MORGAN
LAWRENCE
AUSTIN
MCCLEARY
LAING
WATSON
BROWN
MCANUFF

Substitutes
WILLIAMS
PARKES
GRAY
TAYLOR
THOMPSON
KERR
OTTEY
GRANT
MATTOCKS
BARNES
GORDON
DAWKINS
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: reggae-fan on June 23, 2015, 02:07:07 PM
Please tell me that this article from Oral Tracey was a joke

He cannot be serious.

Oral Tracy is the typical arm-chair football fan who expects our teams to be world beaters and compete on equal footing with Lionel Messi and the best in the world...He probably also think that the local based players are good enough to win the world cup.  :rotfl:

Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 24, 2015, 06:03:48 PM
The ref might be losing control of this Chile - Uruguay match.

Is real wildness in this match.

Highlights:

  :duel: :challenge: :busshead: :flamethrower:
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 24, 2015, 07:03:39 PM
5 yellows so far. Cavani get 2, so he is gone.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 24, 2015, 07:14:55 PM
Isla is onto it like Dracula on a plate of liver!

Only Ray Hudson...
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 24, 2015, 07:20:53 PM
second yellow for Fusile.
Uruguay down to 9 men

That is 8 yellows.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 24, 2015, 07:26:06 PM
With that being said, he's suspended for the rest of the tournament, 4 games.

He gets a four match ban for on field conduct. Vidal gets to keep on balling for off the field conduct (however bear in mind consequences have flowed for off the field conduct in the past). Good thing Suarez is banned from this tournament.  :devil:

Expect more drama as we get into the elimination rounds.


We are off to a fine start.  :devil:
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: kaliman2006 on June 25, 2015, 06:06:27 AM
5 yellows so far. Cavani get 2, so he is gone.

I might have reacted too if a player did this nonsense to me:

http://www.livesoccertv.com/news/14716/gonzalo-jara-gets-on-cavani-s-nerves-with-the-sickest-provocation-ever/

The Chilean player put his finger in the man backside....

I know one has to be disciplined, but speaking as a man, I would be RELLLL vex!
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: de_redman on June 25, 2015, 06:32:13 AM
5 yellows so far. Cavani get 2, so he is gone.

I might have reacted too if a player did this nonsense to me:

http://www.livesoccertv.com/news/14716/gonzalo-jara-gets-on-cavani-s-nerves-with-the-sickest-provocation-ever/

The Chilean player put his finger in the man backside....

I know one has to be disciplined, but speaking as a man, I would be RELLLL vex!
Disgraceful! Football hitting some serious lows  :-[
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: de_redman on June 25, 2015, 06:45:47 AM
(http://cdn.livesoccertv.com/tt/images/articles/14716-cavani-jara.jpg&q=75&w=634)
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 25, 2015, 07:48:01 AM
Good that he has been banned for the rest of the tournament.

Unfortunately for several of the other Gonzalo Jaras in the world, they have been taking abuse on Twitter. Official reporting and some "jokes" are referring to him as a urologist or a proctologist. You can't make this stuff up.

The Spanish news agency, EFE, has said he graduated yesterday as "a specialist in destabilizing Uruguayan players" ... a reference to yesterday and similar conduct in the past (notably, getting too personal with Luis Suarez).


Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bakes on June 25, 2015, 09:02:45 AM
Sexual assault of any kind should never be a laughing matter.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 25, 2015, 10:40:43 AM
Disgraceful! Football hitting some serious lows  :-[

(http://www.20min.ch/dyim/b3008c/B.M600,1000/images/content/2/9/3/29375180/10/topelement.jpg)

(http://www.washer-world.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/jpg)
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: FF on June 25, 2015, 11:11:22 AM
Thanks Bitter, them fellas never hear bout Dr. Pablo Alfaro for Sevilla. He conducting prostate exams years now


Dr Alfaro the dirty genius (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2004/feb/03/europeanfootball.sport)
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 25, 2015, 01:27:55 PM
Thanks Bitter, them fellas never hear bout Dr. Pablo Alfaro for Sevilla. He conducting prostate exams years now


Dr Alfaro the dirty genius (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2004/feb/03/europeanfootball.sport)


Yep. I was looking for it, but couldn't remember the name...

(http://5www.ecestaticos.com/imagestatic/clipping/5df/12e/2fc/5df12e2fca2eea225a3366fb28eb6d9b.jpg?mtime=1435231001)
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 25, 2015, 11:52:20 PM
Now being referred to [irreverently] as "the finger of God".
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: palos on June 26, 2015, 02:15:58 PM
Chileans have proven that they will do practically do anything to win.  It's a disturbing trait that they possess IMO

Quote
Brazil was facing off against Chile in the final qualifying match that would decide which team would go to the 1990 World Cup. Up 1 to 0 with 20 minutes left, the Brazilian team were coasting, knowing that even a draw would take them through and maintain their sparkling record as the only team to have played in every tournament.

But then disaster struck. Cameras pointed at the other end of the pitch, a flare is suddenly fired from the Brazilian stands towards the Chilean goal, and by the time the cameras catch up, all they see is Chile goalkeeper Roberto Rojas on the ground, bleeding profusely from his head with a flare smoking a few feet from his prostrate body.

The entire game devolved into chaos. Medical staff was rushed onto the field, the Chilean team was indignant and soon it became clear that Brazil was facing an unthinkable elimination — the flare had come from their fan section.

There was just one problem: the flare had never hit Rojas at all. It had landed several feet from him.

It was revealed later that Rojas had cut himself with a razor blade hidden in his gloves as part of a plot to get Brazil eliminated, but nobody would have known this if it wasn’t for one photographer who had his camera trained on Rojas when the fateful flare landed.

CHILEAN CHEATS (http://petapixel.com/2014/06/24/single-photograph-thwarted-one-heinous-cheats-soccer-history/)

Quote
Brazil captain Gomes bears no malice towards a man who could have stolen his only chance of playing in the World Cup finals.
"I met Rojas many years later and he admitted his mistakes. He is not naughty but that day, he had a lapse -- a really bad decision," Gomes said.
"Chile had a plan which they had prepared and it was unbelievable, truly unbelievable.
"The strangest thing is they had a good team."
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on June 26, 2015, 02:31:21 PM
Saw that game. What a travesty. That was a return game in Santiago. That games was high before it started. Romario and and one of their players were arguing nose to nose before the game started. The game was a good game though. Chile tried a fast one. That was a case of "by any means necessary".
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: palos on June 26, 2015, 03:46:25 PM
Saw that game. What a travesty. That was a return game in Santiago. That games was high before it started. Romario and and one of their players were arguing nose to nose before the game started. The game was a good game though. Chile tried a fast one. That was a case of "by any means necessary".

The entire chilean team was in on it.  It was the return game, but it was played at the Maracana...not in Santiago.

And it was all planned.  If it was late in the game and looked like Chile were going to lose (Brazil only needed a draw to advance), then a plant in the crowd would throw a flare on the field and Ramos would cut himself with the razor blade hidden in his gloves.  That would be enough to rule the game in favour of Chile, disqualify Brazil, and have Chile qualify for the World Cup.

It was a complete con job.  Look at how the Chilean players were remonstrating with the crowd behind the goal.  Grabbing their balls and making obscene gestures to the crowd.  Getting on indignant knowing full well the deceit that was taking place.

I have nothing but contempt for them.

Their U 20 team rioted in Toronto a few years ago because they lost.   I know it's completely unfair to tarnish an entire nation based on the actions of some of their representatives.  I know many GOOD Chileans....but too often their sporting representatives do them a grave disservice.  Thankfully, there are the likes of Alexis Sanchez who amply demonstrate that there are decent, SPORTING, and superlative Chilean athletes out there too.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 26, 2015, 05:58:32 PM
More wildness in this Argentina - Colombia game.

Ospina with a huge double save to keep Colombia in this game.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 26, 2015, 06:17:47 PM
6 yellow cards in the first half. If Colombia finish this game with 11 men, I'd be surprised.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Peong on June 26, 2015, 06:35:02 PM
Who have an English stream?
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: jai john on June 26, 2015, 06:57:59 PM
any stream ....any language >>>
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: jai john on June 26, 2015, 06:58:40 PM
desperate ...i taking any stream ...
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Peong on June 26, 2015, 07:11:56 PM
http://livetv.sx/en/eventinfo/321674_argentina_colombia/#webplayer_hqstreamtv|arg_col|321674|307835|493|1|en
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 26, 2015, 07:12:03 PM
http://www.gofeed2all.eu/watch/353345/1/watch-argentina-vs-colombia,-copa-america-2015.html
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Peong on June 26, 2015, 07:12:21 PM
jai john where yuh been
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 26, 2015, 07:15:30 PM
Penalties beckon...
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 26, 2015, 07:18:39 PM
Ospina is on fire tonight.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: kaliman2006 on June 26, 2015, 07:29:27 PM
Colombia is very lucky to still be in this match. Argentina have had the ball hit the post and deflect across the Colombian goal line without crossing it and have had a ball cleared off the line by a Colombian defender.

Wow.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 26, 2015, 07:35:40 PM
Wait for it ... the hammer is about to fall on someone's head.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 26, 2015, 07:39:44 PM
This is a job for Tevez! Only Tevez!
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: 100% Barataria on June 26, 2015, 07:40:54 PM
What drama
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: jai john on June 26, 2015, 07:42:24 PM
any link to see from TNT ?
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Post by: kaliman2006 on June 26, 2015, 07:42:45 PM
That was one of the most bizarre penalty shootouts I have seen in a while.

Argentina seemed to have it in hand at 4-3 up with just one penalty to win; and then the missed penalty show began...

Argentina rellllll lucky
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: jai john on June 26, 2015, 07:43:58 PM
jai john where yuh been
you know once my boys playimg I on ...need a link from trini ...
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on June 26, 2015, 07:44:32 PM
Damn Colombia
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: kaliman2006 on June 26, 2015, 07:45:49 PM
any link to see from TNT ?


Only Spanish links.

I was watching on rojadirecta.me

Luckily my Spanish has improved so I understood about sixty percent of what the commentators were saying.
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Post by: jai john on June 26, 2015, 07:46:28 PM
yessss!!!!
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: MEP on June 26, 2015, 08:36:28 PM
any link to see from TNT ?


Only Spanish links.

I was watching on rojadirecta.me

Luckily my Spanish has improved so I understood about sixty percent of what the commentators were saying.

now if we can only say de same thing about your English....yuh know yuh walk right into that ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: kaliman2006 on June 26, 2015, 09:23:59 PM
any link to see from TNT ?


Only Spanish links.

I was watching on rojadirecta.me

Luckily my Spanish has improved so I understood about sixty percent of what the commentators were saying.


now if we can only say de same thing about your English....yuh know yuh walk right into that ;D ;D ;D ;D

My apologies sir; I was speaking in internet vernacular; sometimes one falls prey to the linguistic laziness of the technological age, which has proved to be a beacon of hope for humanity and the scourge of mankind's existence at the same time.

I trust that my syntax and communication style is clearer now

 ;D :beermug:

Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: kaliman2006 on June 27, 2015, 03:57:10 PM
Brazil is leading 1-0 in its quarterfinal against the Paraguayans.

Since when "saque lateral (phonetic sounds to my ears) means throw-in?

I learned that the proper phrase is "saque de banda" or "saque de manos".

This probably has to do with the country that the commentator is a native of.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 27, 2015, 04:36:52 PM
Brazil is leading 1-0 in its quarterfinal against the Paraguayans.

Since when "saque lateral (phonetic sounds to my ears) means throw-in?

I learned that the proper phrase is "saque de banda" or "saque de manos".

This probably has to do with the country that the commentator is a native of.

Actually, saque lateral and saque de banda are more commonly used than saque de manos. Can't recall hearing saque de manos much (or ever).

Like anything else, there is more than one usage to describe an event. For instance, you might hear the term 'tiro libre' but you may also hear 'balón detenido' or 'balón parado' to describe dead-ball situations.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: kaliman2006 on June 27, 2015, 04:41:03 PM
Brazil is leading 1-0 in its quarterfinal against the Paraguayans.

Since when "saque lateral (phonetic sounds to my ears) means throw-in?

I learned that the proper phrase is "saque de banda" or "saque de manos".

This probably has to do with the country that the commentator is a native of.

Actually, saque lateral and saque de banda are more commonly used than saque de manos. Can't recall hearing saque de manos much (or ever).

Like anything else, there is more than one usage to describe an event. For instance, you might hear the term 'tiro libre' but you may also hear 'balón detenido' or 'balón parado' to describe dead-ball situations.

Muchos gracias por su explicación.

It's good that I am learning something while watching the match.

Paraguay is holding its own against Dunga's charges
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: kaliman2006 on June 27, 2015, 05:00:14 PM
Penalty for Paraguay.

Very stupid handball by the Brazilian player
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 27, 2015, 05:30:59 PM
Ribeiro take that penalty like his first name is Alphonso.

Costa wish he first name was Diego
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: lefty on June 27, 2015, 05:34:40 PM
Ribeiro take that penalty like his first name is Alphonso.

Costa wish he first name was Diego

dat eh make no sense, I killin my self laffin :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 27, 2015, 05:39:25 PM
Ribeiro take that penalty like his first name is Alphonso.

Costa wish he first name was Diego

 ;D

Between yesterday and today, these penalties have been a book.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 27, 2015, 05:39:50 PM
Ribeiro take that penalty like his first name is Alphonso.

Costa wish he first name was Diego

dat eh make no sense, I killin my self laffin :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Alphonso Ribiero = Carlton Banks

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sMbFp1AlkP8/UIMyBFpZYsI/AAAAAAAABaI/cXBfQiVHpW0/s1600/gifcarltondance.gif)

His parents from T&T BTW.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: kaliman2006 on June 27, 2015, 05:41:47 PM
And just like that, Brazil have been eliminated from the tournament.

Actually, Paraguay had the better of the play in the second half, even if the final pass into the Brazilian area was lacking.

I have no idea why Robinho was substituted; couldn't he have been a potential penalty taker as opposed to the person for whom he was substituted?

Well, Brazil really has a lot of work to do. This team has been unconvincing for the entire Copa America and are deservedly out of it.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: lefty on June 27, 2015, 06:10:48 PM
Yeah ah know......d reference still eh really make sense "relationally"........but  it was good nonetheless :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 27, 2015, 06:23:45 PM
Yeah ah know......d reference still eh really make sense "relationally"........but  it was good nonetheless :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:

How yuh mean. That is how bad the penalty was. He calmly roll it outside the post.  ;D
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Jumbie on June 27, 2015, 06:36:44 PM
glad brazil out.. that mess they playing and calling it football. Charge the bitches for impersonating a football team.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 28, 2015, 05:25:45 AM
Media reports and a tweet from Derlis González, the player who scored the winning penalty kick versus Brazil, indicate that one of his relatives died [from a heart attack] after he scored. The reports indicate it is his uncle, but his dad's comments point to it being the husband of the dad's cousin (who was probably referred to as tio (uncle) out of respect for the age difference. Either way, joy brings sadness. Go brave and RIP!
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: frico on June 28, 2015, 06:41:43 AM
My father always spoke about a bloke by the name of Rock Ribiero who played football for South Trinidad.
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Post by: Peong on June 28, 2015, 09:46:01 AM
This side that Dunga called is very strange.  Tardelli plays in China! Lucas Moura still in the doghouse.  Hulk too I guess.
Brazil have decent defenders, but Dunga not getting the attack right.  Moura should be a starter on this team.
Felipe Anderson good enough to be a part of the squad at least.
They also need to give Marquinos and Casemiro experience before it's too late. 
God help Liverpool with this Firmino fella.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: futbolfan on June 28, 2015, 01:56:21 PM
Dunga  is trying to have some veteran presence on the squad to blend in with the youths, but relying on  Robinho is  a dead end street. Great player, but Brazil could do better.
I know it is early, but Douglas Costa reminds me of Hulk. I  hope not because that experiment did not bode well.
The absence of Neymar devastates this current squad... They already don't look like a cohesive unit, but without him, the team lacks confidence and that killer instinct in attack.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 28, 2015, 03:52:49 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/27/09/2A04B7A600000578-0-image-a-1_1435393400439.jpg)
Lionel Messi was targeted by a green laser pen during Argentina's match against Colombia in Chile.

Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on June 29, 2015, 09:24:04 AM
This side that Dunga called is very strange.  Tardelli plays in China! Lucas Moura still in the doghouse.  Hulk too I guess.
Brazil have decent defenders, but Dunga not getting the attack right.  Moura should be a starter on this team.
Felipe Anderson good enough to be a part of the squad at least.
They also need to give Marquinos and Casemiro experience before it's too late. 
God help Liverpool with this Firmino fella.
on ESPN FC the pundits stated that Brazil's going through an identity crisis right now, they lack consistient goal scorers.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 29, 2015, 03:19:40 PM
Chile overcome controversies but face revitalised Peru in Copa América
By Graham Meagher (The Guardian, UK).


Chile two wins away from ending 99-year wait for a Copa América title
The hosts are clear favourites against Peru for Monday’s semi-final


If the Chile goalkeeper Paulo Garcés is right in his assertion that “God wants us to be champions” then it would appear he is working in mysterious ways. The host team have been sent things to test them at the Copa América. First there was Arturo Vidal’s foul-mouthed rant at a police officer after his arrest on suspicion of drink-driving, then there was Gonzalo Jara “poking” of Edinson Cavani’s backside.

They are not doing things the easy way but they face Peru in Monday’s Clásico del Pacifico as clear favourites to take their place in Saturday’s final and edge closer to ending a 99-year wait to lift the Copa América.

On the pitch, Vidal has impressed, scoring three goals in the group stage while Alexis Sánchez has provided his usual busyness and the head coach, Jorge Sampaoli, continues to harness the talent of a few Premier League strays, Mauricio Isla in particular, well. Isla failed to find the net in 27 appearances for QPR last season but scored the late winner in the quarter-final against Uruguay.

It was in that match that Jara transgressed and the former West Bromwich and Nottingham Forest defender has been suspended for the game with Peru, who took their place in the last four with a 3-1 win over Bolivia, Paolo Guerrero enhancing his reputation with a hat-trick.

Despite that David Pizarro, the midfielder who plays for Fiorentina, says Chile are ready for a tilt at history. “It is a very important match, in which we are playing for a place in the final. I think every player wants to compete at this level and reach the final stages, like the final of this Copa,” he said. “The team is prepared, without doubt. The team has a clear idea and the objective is to reach the final.

“Peru have very good individuals, and the Copa is proving this. We will see which version of them we will face – the one that drew with Colombia or the one that beat Bolivia. This team has great commitment to this country and that’s very important.”

With Brazil eliminated, the four remaining coaches are all from Argentina, including Ricardo Gareca, who was appointed by Peru in February and has breathed new life into a side looking to improve on their semi-final defeat four years ago.

“Ricardo Gareca has rescued the talent in this group, he believes in their potential,” his assistant, Nolberto Solano, told El Mercurio. “We are not in a position to feel more or less than anyone – we just simply have to work.

“Peru must take care of Alexis Sánchez, Vidal and [Jorge] Valdivia. But, in general, Chile have played very well as a team. We can lose against anyone, but less so against Chile because it is a Clásico.”

Sampaoli: Peru are better going forward than Uruguay
FIFA.com


Jorge Sampaoli has played down Chile's favourites' tag ahead of their eagerly-anticipated Copa America semi-final clash with rivals Peru. The tournament hosts remain on course for a first title after overcoming Uruguay in a controversial quarter-final last Thursday. Peru, who beat Bolivia in the last round, now stand in their way of a place in Sunday's final against Argentina or Paraguay.

Sampaoli told reporters: "It is a very important match for us as a team. The coaches and players are very excited to be in the semi-final in front of our own fans, our own people.

"There is a lot of excitement surrounding us but we know how difficult a match it will be against Peru. They are playing very well and have picked up some great results.

"I don't like the idea of being favourites. I think Chile have played great so far in the Copa America but we face a team that is improving in confidence. They are better going forward than Uruguay so, for sure, it is going to be very hard for us."

Gareca eyes spectacle

Peru coach Ricardo Gareca told reporters: "I don't see it as difficult - the game is going to be 11 players against 11, plus the others that participate. I think we are professional enough to face this game.

"Both teams, Chile and us, can create a good spectacle. I don't see it as a complex situation, just a football game that will be played seriously. Peru are a team with a great history and we have a chance to be part of something beautiful.

"Chile are a very strong team and have earned their place because of their achievements, and playing against them means we must play well. We have always analysed our opponents well but we have to reinforce our ideas and try to put them to good effect on the pitch."
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Post by: asylumseeker on June 29, 2015, 03:31:44 PM
Four Argentinians plot final tickets
FIFA.com


The Copa America in Chile has reached the semi-final stage, with two matches that promise much in the way of excitement and good football. Hosts Chile take on Peru in the latest edition of El Clásico del Pacífico, a fixture with a long and spicy history, while Argentina and Paraguay meet for the second time in the competition, having earlier faced off in the group phase. And for the first time in the tournament’s history, each of the four semi-finalists have an Argentinian in the dugout. FIFA.com previews the two ties.

Chile-Peru
Back in the semi-finals for the first time in 16 years, Chile have played entertaining, offensive football so far. In the group phase, the hosts saw off Ecuador 2-0, drew 3-3 with Mexico in a thrilling encounter and coasted to a 5-0 defeat of Bolivia, before going on to beat defending champions Uruguay 1-0 in a high-octane quarter-final. Packed with quality players, Jorge Sampaoli’s side has the home fans believing that the nation’s very first Copa America triumph may be just around the corner.

Peru have improved as the competition has gone on, bouncing back from conceding a late goal in a 2-1 reverse at the hands of Brazil to down Venezuela 1-0 and then share the points in a goalless draw with Colombia. Paolo Guerrero was the hero of their 3-1 win over Bolivia in the last eight, scoring a hat-trick to send his side through to the semis, a stage the Peruvians also reached at Argentina 2011. Coached by Ricardo Gareca, La Bicolor are dreaming of their first Copa win since 1975, a dream few would have given them much hope of achieving at the start of the competition.

Player to watch
Alexis Sanchez (Chile)
Buoyed by his excellent season with Arsenal in England, the Chilean is one of the stars of the Copa America. With his mazy dribbling and sharp finishing, the livewire forward is one of the foundation blocks of Chile’s attacking brand of football. Though he has but one goal to his name so far, against Bolivia, El Niño Maravilla is anxious to add to that tally and repay the faith La Roja have in him.

The stat
19 - ​The number of times Chile and Peru have played each other in the Copa America. La Roja have won seven of those games, La Bicolor six, while the other six ended in draws.

Jorge Sampaoli, Chile coach
“I can see Peru waiting for us in midfield, though as the match goes on they’ll come out of their shell and look to make their individual ability count in our half of the pitch. What type of game it becomes will depend on us.”

Ricardo Gareca, Peru coach
“Chile are title candidates. We know that and we know we need to concentrate for the whole 90 minutes. They’re one of those teams that push you to do that. It’s a different game and we need to improve in a few areas.”

Argentina-Paraguay
One of the favourites for the title and boasting a stellar side containing the likes of Lionel Messi, Sergio Aguero, Angel Di Maria and Carlos Tevez, Argentina have found goals hard to come by in reaching the last four, having scored the fewest of the four teams still in the competition. Gerardo Martino’s men kicked off with a 2-2 draw with Paraguay before overcoming Uruguay and Jamaica by the same 1-0 scoreline. They then proceeded to spurn a host of chances against Colombia in the last eight and only advanced after a penalty shootout. Aiming for a place in the final for the first time in eight years, La Albiceleste are intent on winning their first Copa since 1993.

Paraguay’s run to the semis has provided them with a major morale boost after their recent difficulties. Los Guaraníes emerged from the group phase after drawing 2-2 with Argentina, beating Jamaica 1-0 and playing out a 1-1 draw with Uruguay, the prelude to a keenly contested 1-1 draw with Brazil in the quarters, a tie the Paraguayans went on to win on penalties. Ramon Diaz’s side know exactly what they are about, keeping things tight at the back and launching long balls forward for their front men to contest. Losing finalists four years ago, they have designs on going one step further this time.

Player to watch
Derlis Gonzalez (Paraguay)
The young striker was the hero of the victory over Brazil in the previous round, scoring the penalty that levelled the tie up in normal time and then stepping up to the spot again in the shootout to send his side through. Coach Diaz has high hopes for the gifted and goal-hungry Gonzalez, faith that is symbolised by the No10 jersey he has handed him.

The stat
0 - the number of times that Paraguay have beaten Argentina in their 23 meetings the history of the competition. La Albiceleste have won 18 of those games, the other five ending in draws.

Gerardo Martino, Argentina coach
“Everything will be difficult from now on and it’s been a very challenging Copa America. We have an outstanding team, though, and they play good football with pride."

Ramon Diaz, Paraguay coach
“Argentina are the better side, but this team has got a lot of spirit and we’re going to fight. We’ve got experience, quality, skill, pride and the right temperament."

Match schedule, semi-finals
Monday 29 June, 7.30pm T&T time, Estadio Nacional, Santiago
Chile-Peru

Tuesday 30 June, 7.30pm T&T time, Estadio Ester Roa Rebolledo, Concepcion
Argentina-Paraguay
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: kaliman2006 on June 29, 2015, 06:26:47 PM
Chile is leading Peru 1-0 in the first semifinal. That goal looked suspiciously offside as the goalscorer seemed to be in offside position when he scored on the rebound off of the initial shot on goal.

Peru has been playing with 10 men since the 20th minute. Carlos Zambrano received his marching orders when he appeared to kick the Chilean player in the back while making a challenge for the ball.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: 100% Barataria on June 29, 2015, 06:51:06 PM
Poetic Justice for Peru
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: kaliman2006 on June 29, 2015, 06:56:27 PM
Poetic Justice for Peru

Medel scored an own goal that any striker would be proud of.

EDIT: Vargas scores a golazo to restore Chile's advantage.

It is a shame that Peru is down to 10 men. The Peruvians are really trying.
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Post by: Deeks on June 29, 2015, 06:57:09 PM
Reality just hits Peru. After fighting so hard for the equalizer. Vargas scored one of the most spectacular long range. What a friggin goal. What a friggin second half.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 29, 2015, 06:57:15 PM
Poetic Justice for Peru

... and then back into the prison of unforced errors. Wicked deflection still.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 29, 2015, 06:58:28 PM
Reality just hits Peru. After fighting so hard for the equalizer. Vargas scored one of the most spectacular long range. What a friggin goal. What a friggin second half.

I was wondering why the GK struggled with it, but the deflection was devious.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on June 29, 2015, 07:03:05 PM
I looking at the shot. I don't think it took any deflection. The ball took one of those unpredictable dip. Pure physics, breds!!!! pure physics!!!!
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on June 29, 2015, 07:05:15 PM
Some  of Ray Hudson quotes. "they combine better than Lennon and McCartney". " cooler than the seeds inside a cucumber".
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: kaliman2006 on June 29, 2015, 07:28:35 PM
The Chileans are deserving winners tonight, even though there were events that worked in their favour.

Hard luck Peru
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 30, 2015, 06:14:06 PM
Paraguay doesn't know when it's beaten. Argentina cruising, them bam! goal.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on June 30, 2015, 06:17:59 PM
English language feed:
http://newsoccer.org/2500-argentina-vs-paraguay/channel-2
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on July 04, 2015, 02:07:07 PM
Final!

English language feed

http://www.gofeed2all.eu/watch/354546/2/watch-chile-vs-argentina,-copa-america-2015.html
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on July 04, 2015, 02:08:05 PM
game start!
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on July 04, 2015, 04:01:46 PM
Tevez woulda score that
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on July 04, 2015, 04:04:26 PM
Tevez woulda score that
Which one, the Higuain miss?
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on July 04, 2015, 04:08:13 PM
Tevez woulda score that
Which one, the Higuain miss?
yeah.
I just ragging on Higuain. He need a bush bath.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Peong on July 04, 2015, 04:21:17 PM
Higuain does just ups and throw away the ppl good pass.
For no real reason.
That was for the trophy man yuh hadda do better.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on July 04, 2015, 04:35:58 PM
Tevez woulda score that
Which one, the Higuain miss?
yeah.
I just ragging on Higuain. He need a bush bath.
LOL he woulda silence de whole ah Santiago for ah week
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on July 04, 2015, 04:37:54 PM
The ref finds minus 10 seconds of stoppage time. What yuh call that? Moyes time?
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on July 04, 2015, 04:44:47 PM
NAH!

Higuain need a slap!
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Peong on July 04, 2015, 04:46:51 PM
Shitong for life.
He miss a penalty in the last game of the season for Napoli too.  A game they needed to win to get in the CL.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Bitter on July 04, 2015, 04:48:39 PM
"Old ladies crying tears the size of pineapple chunks."

Ray Hudson at his best.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on July 04, 2015, 04:52:05 PM
Shitong for life.
He miss a penalty in the last game of the season for Napoli too.  A game they needed to win to get in the CL.

CO SIGN! 100% Comes up small in all big games.  Don't know why he even came on in this game. Personally I would have brought on Tevez. But to allow him to take a penalty is criminal.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on July 04, 2015, 04:52:38 PM
He need a bush bath in truth, doubt he can go back to Argentina after this
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Peong on July 04, 2015, 04:54:01 PM
Higuain owe Argentina two trophies now.  One for the WC final miss and one for the Copa.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Peong on July 04, 2015, 04:55:24 PM
Shitong for life.
He miss a penalty in the last game of the season for Napoli too.  A game they needed to win to get in the CL.

CO SIGN! 100% Comes up small in all big games.  Don't know why he even came on in this game. Personally I would have brought on Tevez. But to allow him to take a penalty is criminal.

Only reason I could think of for Aguero coming off was they had roughed him up a few times, maybe he was hurting.  And I agree, I woulda gone to Tevez.  Tevez just win a double, Higuain led his team to ..........
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on July 04, 2015, 05:01:19 PM
The ref finds minus 10 seconds of stoppage time. What yuh call that? Moyes time?
Yea I ain't understand that, when Argentina had a corner kick too...
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: ribbit on July 04, 2015, 05:10:35 PM
"Old ladies crying tears the size of pineapple chunks."

Ray Hudson at his best.

He had a next one: a challenge as perfectly timed as a Swiss cuckoo clock
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on July 04, 2015, 05:13:59 PM
There will be serious hoochie coochie going in the bedrooms tonight in Chile. Ray "who else" Hudson.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on July 04, 2015, 05:24:16 PM
There will be serious hoochie coochie going in the bedrooms tonight in Chile. Ray "who else" Hudson.
:rotfl:
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: ribbit on July 04, 2015, 06:12:09 PM
Twitter saying Fred woulda score that one. Higuain.......wtf
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on July 04, 2015, 08:39:00 PM
Was Tevez injured? he did not play.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on July 05, 2015, 02:25:24 AM
Polarizing yet popular, Carlos Tevez impacts Argentina at Copa America
By Jonathan Wilson (SI.com).


It didn’t take long after his return to the Argentina squad for Carlos Tevez to start drawing the wrong sort of attention again. He is a player stalked perpetually by controversy, particularly when he wears the national shirt. For almost four years the Juventus striker had been exiled from the national team, dismissed as a troublesome presence incapable of playing in the same side as Lionel Messi—frustratingly, given how well they played together at the 2007 Copa America.

For all his fine form for Juventus, his return was a risk. After what happened in La Serena on Saturday, it may be one the Argentina coach Gerardo Martino is regretting.

Tuesday’s game against Uruguay, the Rioplatense derby, was always going to be tense. After Argentina threw away a two-goal lead to draw against Paraguay it may also have a significant bearing on the group. Whichever team finishes second will face a quarterfinal against the side that finishes top in Group C–which after Sunday’s results now looks like being Brazil. Finishing top means a game against a third-placed side. The punishment for Argentina’s slip-up could be severe.

For 55 minutes against Paraguay, everything was going perfectly for Argentina. It was playing with verve and intelligence and led 2-0; the only criticism would be that it had been a little wasteful in front of goal, a little lacking in edge. Even when Nelson Haedo capitalized on some defensive laxity and strange positioning from the goalkeeper Sergio Romero to lash in a goal for Paraguay, it seemed little more than a blip. But then Argentina panicked.

Rather than closing the play down and asserting its authority, it let the game become more ragged. There were chances at both ends and then came the substitutions: Martino, to widespread disbelief, brought on Tevez and Gonzalo Higuain.

Martino later claimed his intention was to try to score a third goal and finish the game, but that was a mystifying explanation. Argentina was already creating chances; its issue was that it wasn’t able to check the flow of Paraguayan chances. Shuffling Angel Di Maria back into midfield was never likely to change that. Which raises the suspicion that Higuain and Tevez were brought on for political reasons: both to appease them and their supporters among the media.

And that is part of the problem of Tevez. He is popular, destabilizingly so. He wouldn’t even have made the 2011 Copa America but for a public outcry and the intervention of the governor of Buenos Aires, Daniel Scioli. Coach Sergio Batista has since said he wouldn’t have selected Tevez but for “political pressure.”

The decision to pick him was initially greeted with glee. Tevez, short and stocky and with his shock of black hair, was the model of the pibe, the archetype of Argentinian football as set down by Borocoto, the editor of El Grafico, in 1929.

Tevez had made his name with Boca Juniors (unlike Messi, who went to Barcelona when he was 13). He had friends in the media.

Early in that Copa America, there was no question that fans cheered his name louder than that of Messi when the lineups were read out before kickoff—Messi, as the stadium announcer in Santa Fe said, was “el mejor del mundo” (the best in the world), but Tevez was “el jugador del pueblo” (the player of the people). It soon became apparent, though, that Messi and Tevez were getting in each other’s way, making the same runs. Tevez was left out, and, after making a petulant substitute appearance in the quarterfinal that culminated with him missing a penalty in the shootout as Argentina lost to Uruguay, public opinion turned against him.

Governor Scioli was at it again before the World Cup, describing Tevez as “a great motivator, with great spirit,” but the coach Alejandro Sabella, who had taken advantage of Tevez’s exile from Manchester City in the middle of the 2011-12 season not to recall him, refused to countenance his return. After all, it’s not as though Argentina is short of attacking talent.

Martino, though, brought him back for the friendly against El Salvador in March. The theory was that now, with Messi so obviously the key figure, Tevez would accept his back-up role, that he would not be the difficult, sulky presence he has been in the past. But Tevez is one of those figures who seems to cause trouble even when on his best behavior.

The Argentinian sports paper Ole has been notably supportive, a feature last week describing Tevez as thinner, stronger and more mature than in 2011, while even after the Paraguay draw it detailed how he had scored three goals in training. But that, in a sense, is the difficulty. Newspapers wouldn’t produce that sort of analysis for anybody else and, even if it’s indirect, the subtext is clear: Tevez is there, ready and available, to be a savior, to force himself into the side as he did in the Copas of 2004 and 2007.

And that, in turn, especially in a team that is stuttering, can undermine morale. That it’s even being considered that Martino might have made a substitution with the thought of what the media may say in mind is evidence of that.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on July 05, 2015, 02:36:00 AM
Argentina's painful title drought continues with loss in Copa final
By James Young (SI.com).


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SANTIAGO, Chile — As the last penalty of this Copa America final was taken, Lionel Messi stood slightly apart from the rest of the Argentina team, hands clasped tightly behind his back. When Alexis Sanchez’s shot hit the back of the net and the sea of red-clad fans inside the Estadio Nacional here erupted, Messi remained motionless for a few long, poignant seconds, staring straight ahead, before walking away. There was just time enough for a slow gaze over his shoulder at the wildly cavorting Chilean players near the corner flag before he was embraced by a supportive teammate.

Such disappointment is not an unfamiliar feeling for Messi—after the 2007 Copa America and the 2014 World Cup, this was the third time he has tasted defeat in a major international final. Accustomed to success as he is with Barcelona, such a record of failure will be hard for the world’s greatest player to stomach. Placed in the context of Argentina’s long trophy drought, which now stands at 22 years and counting, it becomes even more painful.   

The country’s last taste of international glory came on July 4th, 1993 when Alfio Basile’s side beat Mexico 2–1 in the Copa America final in Ecuador. Gabriel Batistuta was Argentina’s hero that day with two goals, thumping home the first after a driving run, then smacking in current Atletico Madrid manager Diego Simeone’s throw-in for the winner. A couple of thousand miles away in the Argentine city of Rosario, Messi had just celebrated his sixth birthday and was playing for the junior team of local side Grandoli.

If Batistuta’s goals did not ultimately become shots heard around the world, it is for two reasons. One is the often less than starry global profile of the Copa America. The other is that in those days Argentina winning trophies was hardly headline news. Carried by such stars as Daniel Passarella, Mario Kempes, Batistuta and the incomparable Diego Maradona, the team lifted the World Cup in 1978 and 1986, reached the final in 1990 and won the Copa America in 1991.

Although Maradona was soon to enter the troubled, drug-shadowed twilight years of his career, there was little to suggest that Argentina’s success would come to an end any time soon. As well as its established stars, the country’s stocks of talent were seemingly being constantly replenished, with wins in five out of seven FIFA U-20 World Cup triumphs between 1995 and 2007.

Nine of Gerardo Martino’s squad in Chile emerged from the triumphant 2005 (Fernando Gago, Ezequiel Garay, Pablo Zabaleta, Lucas Biglia, Sergio Aguero and Messi) and 2007 (Sergio Romero, Ever Banega and Angel Di Maria) sides. In the semifinals, that 2007 team beat a Chile side containing Gary Medel, Mauricio Isla, Arturo Vidal and Sanchez on its way to glory.

No one watching Batistuta’s goals that day in Guayaquil in 1993 would have imagined the prolonged, harrowing trophy drought that Argentina was about to suffer. Since that year, one of the world’s proudest footballing nations has gone six World Cups and seven Copa Americas without tasting success.

In the last two Copa Americas, for example, Argentina was thrashed 3–0 by Brazil in the 2007 final in Venezuela, and then lost on penalties to Uruguay on home soil in the 2011 quarterfinals.

Losing in the South American tournament, however, is a mere bee sting compared to the pain of being knocked out of the World Cup. In 1994, Argentina lost 3–2 to a Gheorghe Hagi and Ilie Dumitrescu-inspired Romania in the Round of 16 in Pasadena after Maradona had been sent home for testing positive for the banned substance ephedrine. Then, in 1998, Dennis Bergkamp’s wonder goal for the Netherlands knocked out Daniel Passarella’s team in the quarterfinals.

Four years later Argentina slumped out of the 2002 World Cup in South Korea and Japan in the group stage after failing to score a goal from open play, but greater things were expected in 2006 when, led by that great midfield grand master Juan Roman Riquelme, Jose Pekerman’s team crushed Serbia and Montenegro 6–0 in the group phase in a match remembered both for Esteban Cambiasso’s second-half goal that followed a sublime team move and for Messi’s substitute appearance in the same game, which made him the youngest player ever to represent Argentina at a World Cup.

Once again, however, Argentina was to disappoint, losing to Germany on penalties in the quarterfinals after leading the game until the 80th minute. There was further heartbreak in 2010, when a side shambolically coached by Maradona was thrashed 4–0 by the same opposition in the same round.

Alejandro Sabella sacrificed some of his team’s attacking flair for greater defensive diligence to reach the World Cup final in Brazil last summer, but the ultimate result was the same: A disconsolate Messi, who had dragged his team through the group phase before tiring in the knockout round, standing with his hands on his hips as the light bled from the Rio de Janeiro sky and he faced the prospect of once again returning home empty-handed.

History repeated itself for Messi and Argentina here in Santiago. Jorge Sampaoli’s admirably high-intensity Chile side may lack some of Germany’s smooth elegance, but as the shadows crept over the Estadio Nacional pitch in the second half, the crowd, sensing that victory was a real possibility, grew louder.

Its optimism was caused by the fact that Argentina and Messi, notwithstanding a few scintillating attacking moments from the latter, had failed to reproduce the fluidity and cohesion of its 6–1 crushing of Paraguay in the semifinals. 

This final, played amidst a hectic, raucous atmosphere in front of a sea of almost unrelenting Chilean red, neatly reflected the tournament that had come before it: fiercely competitive and occasionally acrimonious, but with no little skill and attacking flair on display from both sides.

There were chances at both ends, notably when Charles Aranguiz dropped a long pass into Sanchez’s wheelhouse in the second half, the forward spinning and smashing a volley just wide, and then when Gonzalo Higuaín failed by inches to turn in Lavezzi’s cross in stoppage time. There was pressure from both sides in extra time, and then it was on to the fear and loathing of penalties.

Argentina’s footballing pedigree, and the all-world status of some of its players, meant Chile had assumed the role of the underdog here, and the fighting spirit that such status engenders may have given Sampaoli’s players mental strength in the penalty shootout. When Angel Di Maria was substituted in the 29th minute, there were rowdy cheers of relief from the stands, and Messi, normally treated with respect, even deference, by fans of Argentina’s South American rivals for all that he has achieved in club football, received howls of derision every time he touched the ball, and when tumbling to the ground after being fouled. When Higuaín smashed his penalty over the bar and Banega’s effort was stopped by Bravo, there was an almost inevitable feel to the proceedings.

Now this talented generation of Argentina players must face not only another empty-handed return home from a tournament, but the prospect that they will not be able to add a major international trophy to their storied club resumés. The future of the proposed “centenary” Copa America in the USA in 2016 looks in doubt now that the competition has been identified by the FBI as a key part in the FIFA corruption scandal, and the three years between this gripping competition in Chile and the next World Cup in Russia will feel terribly long for Argentina, its fans and its players. Mascherano will be 34 by the time the final is played, Messi 31 and Di Maria and Aguero 30, their bodies bruised and buffeted by the incessant demands of top-level club soccer. It will be their last big international tournament, if they make it that far.

A number of big, passionate soccer-obsessed countries have endured similar or worse droughts. England fans, for example, are unlikely to have much sympathy for Argentina’s tears. And plenty of gifted international generations have failed to turn their talent into trophies—the Holland team at the 1974 and 1978 World Cups, for example, which boasted legends such as Johan Cruyff, Johan Neeskens and Johnny Rep, was arguably more talented, and undoubtedly better coached, than some of these Argentinian sides, but ended up losing in the final of both competitions.

By their very nature international sides are born, not bought, and weaknesses cannot be fixed with the flash of a checkbook. The standard take on the Argentina sides of last year’s World Cup and this Copa America is that they have been rich in attacking firepower but poor in defensive nous, although ironically enough it was a lack of goals when it counted, rather than a porous defense, that cost the team dear in Brazil and now here in Chile.

And then there is Messi. The trophies he has won and the footballing miracles he has performed at Barcelona are now the stuff of legend, and he had a good tournament here in Chile, producing a virtuoso display in the team's semifinal against Paraguay, and even providing a number of thrilling moments in the final, when not shackled by Chilean defensive watchdogs such as Vidal and Aranguiz.

Yet as in Brazil, Messi stood alone and sorrowful at the end, his shoulders slumped. The contrast with the celebrating Chilean players and fans, who had just seen their own 99-year Copa America drought come to an end, could not have been greater. Other than the gold medal he won at the 2008 Olympics and that 2005 U-20 World Cup win, the international trophy cabinet of this greatest of players stands empty, and after this Copa America, the sixth major tournament where he has failed to taste victory, it may now remain so permanently.

“Love is so short, forgetting is so long,” wrote the great Chilean poet Pablo Neruda. The career of a soccer player, even one as great as Messi, is short too, and lives on only in the warmth of memory and the coldness of historical record. It is to be hoped that he may yet get one more chance to bring World Cup glory to Argentina and end his country’s long trophy drought. If not, the forgetting of the failures of Messi and this talented group of players will be long indeed. 
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on July 06, 2015, 02:14:16 PM
These guys arrived in total silence. They went from the plane, onto a bus that was waiting on the tarmac, directly to the national team training complex (which is about 2 to 2.5 miles straight shot from the airport). Probably had cars parked there etc. Iz only this afternoon Messi broke his silence in thanking fans for their support. Meanwhile, iz Higuaín taking nuff licks. And I mean, NUFF licks.

Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on July 06, 2015, 02:21:12 PM
Did you see the footage of the boy taking a selfie with Messi after the game? Small man had real belly...Messi didn't even budge, it was like he was in another world.
As for Higuain, it will be interesting to see if he'll recover from this. He'll need some time for sure.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on July 06, 2015, 02:56:40 PM
Everybody feeling sorry for Messi and Argentina and this socalled title drought. This tournament is 99 yrs and this is the first time Chile win it. As far as Lionel goes, he has time on his side. He is still the best.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on July 06, 2015, 04:45:06 PM
Shitong for life.
He miss a penalty in the last game of the season for Napoli too.  A game they needed to win to get in the CL.
CO SIGN! 100% Comes up small in all big games.  Don't know why he even came on in this game. Personally I would have brought on Tevez. But to allow him to take a penalty is criminal.

The last TWO were pks @ Napoli from what I gather.
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on July 06, 2015, 04:50:35 PM
Did you see the footage of the boy taking a selfie with Messi after the game? Small man had real belly...Messi didn't even budge, it was like he was in another world.
As for Higuain, it will be interesting to see if he'll recover from this. He'll need some time for sure.

Didn't see that.

Higuaín recovering is one thing. I wonder whether Martino can survive the entire cycle till 2018.


#9950
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: palos on July 06, 2015, 05:20:34 PM
As far as Lionel goes, he has time on his side. He is still the best.

By some distance.

I go as far to say the best EVER
Title: Re: 2015 Copa America Thread
Post by: pull stones on July 06, 2015, 10:02:14 PM
As far as Lionel goes, he has time on his side. He is still the best.

By some distance.

I go as far to say the best EVER
hhmm....... that's debatable to say the least. the best for now yes i am on board, best ever is a different story. you must show me success with club and county in order to claim that title for instance phenomino, winner at barca, real madrid, inter milan, corintians and a world cup title with brazil, he also won two copa america titles. now this man in my humble opinion could easily be counted as the best ever, and even with all his injuries and set backs he still managed to put in work that bore fruit in abundance.

messi has to win something with another club and his national team in order to wear that crown, but for now it will remain on ronaldo's head. messi still has time on his hands to make it happen though.
Title: Copa america penalty
Post by: jai john on June 27, 2019, 09:06:34 PM
Can anyone explain why gabriel jesus' winming penalty was not retaken ? As far as i am aware he started his run took a step back then continued his run...that is not allowed is it ?
Title: Re: Copa america penalty
Post by: asylumseeker on June 28, 2019, 03:36:59 AM
Can anyone explain why gabriel jesus' winming penalty was not retaken ? As far as i am aware he started his run took a step back then continued his run...that is not allowed is it ?

Is your concern the step back or whether he was in continual motion?

If you compare his kick in Man City colours with the PK in question, you'll see a similar action.

https://youtu.be/5B_mba9VsDg

https://youtu.be/YwokflZM_S0
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 30, 2019, 06:29:18 PM
jai, yuh make out what went on?
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on July 03, 2019, 09:33:42 AM
Messi can't catch a break. I really want him to win something with Argentina, he deserves that.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: ffisback on July 03, 2019, 05:49:45 PM
Messi is overrated !
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on July 03, 2019, 08:26:49 PM
Peru beat a fighting Chile 3-0. They meet Brazil on Sunday in the final.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on July 06, 2019, 08:25:40 PM
Messi is overrated !
Now I know you're trolling
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: pull stones on July 07, 2019, 07:41:56 AM
Where can I watch the finals? there are no channels carrying the finals and I’ve searched spectrum cable channels up and down. I think fifa messed up this time around planning three finals on the same day, how dumb.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on July 07, 2019, 11:19:14 AM
Honestly, that is a bullshit red card.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on July 07, 2019, 12:19:42 PM
Where can I watch the finals? there are no channels carrying the finals and I’ve searched spectrum cable channels up and down. I think fifa messed up this time around planning three finals on the same day, how dumb.
If you're in Trinidad you may find it on one of the ESPN channels as they have the rights for the tournament. Bein Sports used to bring it now ESPN jumble them and showing it in the US on friggin ESPN plus. This afternoon ESPN showing World Series of poker and ESPN showing NBA summer league  :cursing:
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on July 07, 2019, 12:20:19 PM
Honestly, that is a bullshit red card.
Very soft.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on July 07, 2019, 12:31:03 PM
Honestly, that is a bullshit red card.
Very soft.

But, Gary Medel being Gary Medel. However, I'm not sure Messi has been himself lately.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: real madness on July 07, 2019, 12:55:55 PM
Honestly, that is a bullshit red card.

I agree. Both players should have received yellow cards.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: real madness on July 07, 2019, 12:56:54 PM
Where can I watch the finals? there are no channels carrying the finals and I’ve searched spectrum cable channels up and down. I think fifa messed up this time around planning three finals on the same day, how dumb.
In the US, the game will be shown on ESPN+ and Telemundo.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on July 07, 2019, 02:54:20 PM
Where can I watch the finals? there are no channels carrying the finals and I’ve searched spectrum cable channels up and down. I think fifa messed up this time around planning three finals on the same day, how dumb.
In the US, the game will be shown on ESPN+ and Telemundo.
:beermug: clean forgot about Telemundo
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on July 07, 2019, 02:55:24 PM
Honestly, that is a bullshit red card.
Very soft.

But, Gary Medel being Gary Medel. However, I'm not sure Messi has been himself lately.
Maybe the pressure is getting to him
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on July 07, 2019, 04:43:09 PM
Honestly, that is a bullshit red card.
Very soft.

But, Gary Medel being Gary Medel. However, I'm not sure Messi has been himself lately.
Maybe the pressure is getting to him

Maybe, But I would have reacted the same way. The rest of the Arg. team needs to step up.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on July 29, 2019, 10:59:35 AM
Honestly, that is a bullshit red card.
Very soft.

But, Gary Medel being Gary Medel. However, I'm not sure Messi has been himself lately.

A week after I posted these comments, Jorge Valdano wrote an article entitled "Dos nuevos Messi" or "Two new Messis" in which he commented about things he observed during the Copa America, about Messi and otherwise. Valdano confirms that we witnessed a change.

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"También fuimos testigos de la transformación de ese icono que es Messi, que se comportó como nunca dentro y fuera del campo. Dentro, porque jugó a un nivel terrenal, lo que contradijo, al menos durante el rato que duró la Copa, su condición de genio. Fuera, porque vimos a una persona diferente. Comprometido como nunca, y eso está bien, pero alejado de ese bajo perfil que siempre he admirado. Cayendo en provocaciones, como la que le costó la expulsión; haciendo declaraciones graves, como la de acusar de "corrupta" a la Commebol; o tomando decisiones impropias de un capitán como la de negarse a recibir el premio por el tercer puesto. Siempre me fascinó el Messi jugador, y admiro la capacidad de tener bajo control su fama mundial tanto como la valentía de desafiar las presiones sin sobreactuar. Argentina parece feliz con esta nueva versión. Yo, solo en parte."

https://elpais.com/deportes/2019/07/12/actualidad/1562947034_663774.html

I'll leave it for the curious to seek out a translation, but Valdano is not entirely thrilled with the other Messi ... the "new Messi".

That aside, the real interesting part of the article is Valdano's first paragraph in which he mentions that there was a time when certain segments of "polite society" rejected football and wouldn't dare to mention it and that today things have changed and football is chic, trendy or fashionable to the point that the composition of who the fans are has changed as has the behaviour on display. (He didn't mention ticket cost, but that might have something to do with non-democratic pricing.)

He notes:

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En la Copa América vimos un público absurdamente blanco para un país que tiene como un tesoro la diversidad racial. Donde antes veíamos a un hincha de pie, ahora hay uno sentado con una copa de champán en la mano que solo se levanta para festejar un gol o para aplaudir a Bolsonaro en la entrega de premios.

Literal Google translation: In the Copa América we saw an absurdly white audience for a country that has racial diversity as a treasure. Where we used to see a fan standing, now there is one sitting with a glass of champagne in his hand that only stands up to celebrate a goal or to applaud Bolsonaro (President of Brazil) in the awards ceremony.





Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on July 29, 2019, 11:53:06 AM
About Valdano, if you're not familiar with him.

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Many who didn’t see him play will wonder how good a striker Valdano actually was. The simple answer? He was better than Gonzalo Higuaín.  :)

https://thesefootballtimes.co/2017/03/26/jorge-valdano-the-career-of-footballs-grand-philosopher/


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I once had a conversation with Carlos Bilardo before a match at the 1986 World Cup finals: “What are you doing reading?” he said. “I need it to relax,” I replied. “You don’t need to relax,” he said. “But I get too nervous otherwise,” I said. “You have to be nervous,” he said. “But I’ll go mad,” I said. “You have to go mad” he said. Bilardo felt that to take away some of the madness from fooball was tantamount to taking away the due attention it deserved. But for me it was a necessity to read, precisely because I lived football with such obsession so I needed to bring down the level of tension and enter other lives, other times, other worlds.

...

When I moved to Spain my vision of football was transformed by Manuel Vazquez Montalban. I’ve always thought of football as being deeply engrained in life, but I would never have been able to discuss it without his influence. I started writing while at Real Madrid. One Easter, the Spanish newspaper El Pais published a short story of mine, which I had written while travelling with the team to a European Cup match against Bayern Munich. Intellectual magazine Occidente then published my essay Stage Fright. No footballer had ever published in that magazine before, and so I became the bearded woman of the circus. In a sense: every player needs to be identified and, well, I became known as The Intellectual. My book, Dreams of Football, was published while I was at Tenerife and sold very well. The publisher then invited me to edit a selection of intellectuals’ views on football.

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/features/jorge-valdano-my-secret-vice


Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on July 29, 2019, 12:11:41 PM
The sage of Real Madrid
Simon Kuper, The Financial Times


Jorge Valdano is explaining what Real Madrid is about – a question he’s better equipped to answer than perhaps anyone else – and the club’s director of football reaches into the past, to talk about a fellow Argentine-turned-Madrileño.

“You could say Alfredo di Stéfano incarnates Real,”says Valdano. Di Stéfano was the linchpin of the great Real that won the first five European Cups, from 1956 to 1960. Valdano explains: “After a defeat it was best not to look at Alfredo, because his eyes would be spitting fire. When things went badly, he’d forget about beauty and just pursue the result. Everything that has happened at this club has been influenced by Di Stéfano’s spirit. This is a club with a very bad relationship to defeat.”

Valdano is speaking as Real’s director of football, as a former player and coach of the club, but also as a gifted writer. Almost nobody can talk football better than he does. Ask him a question and he pauses a beat, before answering in complete sentences in his precise, Argentine-inflected Spanish.

We’re sitting in Real’s offices inside the Bernabéu stadium one evening, an hour before a game. On one wall hangs a black-and-white picture of Di Stéfano’s team. It shows the players standing in open-topped cars, driving through Madrid amid cheering crowds. Franco’s policemen accompany them on motorbikes. The photo is Real triumphant – the club’s natural state. But in Valdano’s four spells here since he first arrived as a player, in 1984, Real mostly hasn’t been like that.

There is something dysfunctional about post-Franco Real, and Valdano’s time in Madrid helps illuminate what. The club has struggled to redefine its identity and regain the dominance it had in Di Stéfano’s era. Its present failure is baffling. In football, money brings success, and Real is the world’s richest club: it turned over €401m in the 2008-09 season. Yet it regularly gets thrashed by the world’s best team, its eternal rival Barcelona. Real had better hurry up and win something soon – ideally the Champions League in London this May – for Valdano’s sake and its own.



To the left, to the right

Valdano was born in 1955 in a small town in what was then the wealthy Argentine pampas. He grew tall and strong, and turned out to be good at everything, the man other men wanted to be. He devoured Jorge Luis Borges, briefly studied law, dressed as elegantly as he spoke, became a goal-scoring striker and in 1975 arrived in Spain to play for little Deportivo Alavés. Franco died that year, and so Valdano found himself a young, leftwing intellectual in a free country just as young, leftwing intellectuals in Argentina were being dropped from military helicopters into the River Plate. This shaped his thinking about football.

He admired the César Luis Menotti, the coach who brought Argentina its first World Cup in 1978. Menotti believed in “a football of the left”: a creative game in which working-class people expressed their natural genius. By contrast, “football of the right” was the thuggish game played by certain Argentine clubs, whose players read up on their opponents’ personal problems so as to unsettle them, just in case biting and spitting failed. Valdano, a subtle, funny man, only partly bought this spiel, but his books describe a Menottista football.

The zenith of Valdano’s playing career was winning the World Cup with Argentina in 1986. He scored in the final, and, just as thrillingly, got to observe his teammate Diego Maradona from up close. Indeed, while Maradona was dribbling through the England side to score football’s most famous goal in the quarter-final, Valdano was running alongside him hoping for a pass. In the changing-room afterwards, he teased Maradona: why hadn’t he passed? Yes, Maradona replied, I was watching you all along, and wanted to pass, but the English kept getting in the way, and suddenly I’d beaten them all so I just scored.

Valdano was awed: “While scoring this goal you were also watching me? Old man, you insult me. It isn’t possible.” Valdano with Maradona – as in most of his relationships in football – was a literate, educated person landed among aliens. Other footballers often mock him as a pseud, and call him El Filósofo, “The Philosopher”, a nickname that’s intended as an insult. Valdano never hides his bookishness. He just doesn’t think it’s very relevant. “I’m convinced that I can describe Maradona’s goal much better than he ever could,” he once told me, “but I could never have scored it.”

This evening in Madrid’s offices we get talking about world cups. Several of Real’s players pocketed one with Spain last year. Had that reminded him of his own triumph? “It seems pornographic to me that 25 years have passed, because I recall every detail precisely. But when the Spanish players were given their medals, my daughter asked, ‘Where’s your medal?’ Eventually my wife found it. It’s now in a place where I can’t get to it, ha ha.” Still, he insists he hardly ever thinks about lifting the cup.

A year after that, hepatitis forced him to retire from playing. He became a writer, and a coach, and in 1994 returned to coach a Real that was going through dark times. The club hadn’t won its pet prize, the European Cup, since 1966. Worse, in 1992 Barcelona had won the trophy at last. Catalans had begun mocking Madrileños for only winning the cup “in black and white”.

In fact, Spanish football was experiencing the same shift in power as Spanish politics: from the centre to the regions. Under Franco, Real had ruled unchallenged. It’s a nonsense to call Real “a fascist club”, as its detractors sometimes do. Yet Real did benefit from the football-loving Franco. It’s not that he fixed referees or gave Real money. He didn’t need to. A dictator typically concentrates his country’s resources in the capital city. That’s where he, his bureaucrats, generals and secret policemen live. It’s the last place where he wants an uprising. And so capitals and their football teams thrive under dictatorships. Every team from a dictatorship ever to win the European Cup (now called the Champions League) came from a capital. By contrast, winning teams from democracies almost all come from provincial towns and cities.

After Franco died, Spain’s regions rose. Barcelona in particular grew richer, and its football team improved. Real’s decline fed the daily hysteria at the Bernabéu. Several Spanish newspapers and TV stations live off Real. “This club moves amid great turbulence. It’s a universal focus of news,” says Valdano. He tries to remain ironic while everyone else loses their heads. When a journalist placed two tape recorders in front of him before a recent interview, Valdano commented: “Ah! One to record my words, the other to record my thoughts.”

But the hysteria at Real is often all-conquering. The club’s unique, inherited obligation is to rule Europe with the world’s best footballers playing attacking football. When Real stopped meeting this obligation, it got caught in a cycle of hubris and despair. The club’s president would hire a coach, buy new players, say that this at last was the perfect team, as good as Di Stéfano’s, and after three defeats he’d chuck everyone out and start again. Valdano himself was sacked months after leading Real to the Spanish title in his only full season as coach.

At Real, the coach acts as human sacrifice.

Real’s wealth did eventually buy more titles: the Champions League in 1998 (immediately after which the coach was sacked) and 2000. Uefa, the European football association, named Real club of the century. And in summer 2000, the Madrileño construction magnate Florentino Pérez was elected the club’s president with a mission to restore the glory days of Di Stéfano. Pérez made Valdano his technical director, in charge of signing players. After a hiatus, when Pérez was voted out of office in 2006, the two men returned to power in 2009. They are still chasing Di Stéfano’s legacy, watched from the stands by the impatient octogenarian.

Pérez’s big idea was to buy galacticos, the world’s greatest players. Di Stéfano’s team, too, had been full of galacticos. Santiago Segurola, a Spanish writer on football and buddy of Valdano’s, has a theory on this. In 1951, when Pérez was four, he began going with his father to the Bernabéu. Pérez loved his dad. He came to associate him with that 1950s team. And so, explains Segurola, Pérez developed a Freudian relationship with Real. By trying to recreate the team of the 1950s – now with Cristiano Ronaldo as Di Stéfano – he is communing with his father. Above Pérez’s bed (witnessed there by the author John Carlin) hangs a photograph of Pérez posing on the Bernabéu grass among four of his galacticos. As the psychiatrist in Fawlty Towers says of Basil Fawlty: “There’s enough material there for an entire conference.”

In name, Valdano was Real’s technical director, but he often seemed more spokesman than policymaker. His job was to turn Pérez’s actions into beautiful words. This was probably frustrating, but everyone in football wants to stay on the boat, especially at Real, and so they do what’s required. In 2003 I sat in these offices listening to Valdano tell me Real would henceforth field only galacticos and homegrown players. In his fine phrase, Real wouldn’t sign “middle-class footballers”.

In 2002, Real won its ninth Champions League. After that, Pérez’s galacticos stopped producing: too many chiefs, almost no Indians. From 2004 to 2006 Real won nothing. Valdano admits that, “We lacked players of, let’s say, the middle class. This time, as well as Cristiano Ronaldo and Kaka, you need players like Xabi Alonso. Guys who might not look spectacular, but who can read a match; who can destroy a counter-attack by taking one step left or right.”

While Pérez was out of office, in 2007 and 2008, Real won two Spanish titles. Pérez and Valdano returned for the 2009-10 season, and again won nothing. Under Pérez, Real have spent several hundred million euros on transfers, probably more than any other club, and sacrificed several coaches. The club’s debt was €504m in 2008, and surely more now. Meanwhile, today’s Barcelona may be the best football team ever, better than Di Stéfano’s Real. Valdano will admit that “it’s the strongest Barcelona in history”. Isn’t their beautiful game – invented by Valdano’s hero, Johan Cruyff – the football he has always dreamed of? “No,” he smiles. “I’m from South America, not from Europe. For me, Brazil of 1970 was the platonic dream of football.”

Still, doesn’t Barcelona benefit from a fixed style? That gives the club a stability that Real lacks. Valdano interrupts: “The leader of Barcelona is the style of play. Heading Barça now is a person who takes the respect for this culture to the point of exaggeration: Pep Guardiola [the current coach]. In Madrid it was always different. At Real there is an enormous passion for triumph. Here, there’s an admiration for the player who gives everything. That’s why a player like Angel di Maria has had such rapid success [at Real]. And there’s also a desire for spectacle. In Barcelona that order is reversed: first the play, then the result.”

I once witnessed Real’s “enormous passion for triumph” up-close in Valdano himself. Real had just lost away to Milan in the Champions League. The defeat didn’t matter much – Real eventually progressed to the next round anyway. When I passed Valdano on the staircase leaving the stands of the San Siro, I said a cheery hello. He glared at me, “eyes spitting fire”, as he had described Alfredo di Stéfano in defeat, and strode off. The usual courteous Filósofo had vanished. Like Real Madrid, Valdano has a bad relationship with defeat.

That’s why, last spring, the club hired the ultimate winning coach: José Mourinho. Unfortunately, in 2007, Valdano had described the defensive football played by Mourinho’s Chelsea as “a shit on a stick”. When Valdano unveiled the Portuguese to the media, he admitted to having previously been “aggressive” about Mourinho’s style. Now Valdano, Pérez and Mourinho form an uneasy trinity.

Some companies get so obsessed with their internal processes that they lose sight of outcomes. In appointing Mourinho, Real showed that it’s so obsessed with outcomes it barely cares about processes. So why did Valdano appoint his ideological opposite? He says, “My idea of football is expressed in five books, and in the teams I coached at Tenerife, Real Madrid and Valencia. All my teams had the same style. But in my current position, I interpret Real Madrid – not my own ideas. And Real now, with our reorganisation of the team, needed a very strong leadership, and nobody represented that better than Mourinho.

“In two years we have replaced almost the entire team. Now our side has an average age of 24. Marcelo is 22, Özil is 22, Khedira is 23. It’s a team with a lot of future.” The youngsters have mostly played well under Mourinho, leaving aside last November’s 5-0 thrashing by Barcelona. How has Mourinho changed Real? “We haven’t yet lost a point because the players weren’t trying hard enough,” Valdano says. “Mustn’t that have something to do with the coach’s personality? His way of working, with very clear ideas, is well suited to players today. As a player I liked to have more liberty than obligations. Today they apparently prefer more obligations than liberty. They seem comfortable with a demanding coach who imposes a regime on them. We do have personalities here. We have Iker Casillas, captain of the world champions. We have players of great intelligence, like Xabi Alonso. And Cristiano Ronaldo, with his tremendous character. But I think these players – and this club – needed a coach with these characteristics.”

Is the Mourinho he sees the braggart the rest of us watch from afar? “No! In the media’s perception of great players and coaches, there is often a colossal misunderstanding. The Mourinho you see from a distance would not have the support of all his players. Almost nobody who has worked under his discipline speaks badly of Mourinho. I’ve seen the same thing with many players, like Raúl: great footballers who are nonetheless great unknowns. That’s incredible in this society of the image.”

Actually, admits Valdano, even he now struggles to fully understand the players. “Twenty-five years ago, the contact between club and player was very direct. Now there are many layers between club and player. Sometimes your interlocutor is still the player himself; sometimes the interlocutor is the player’s father, his agent, communications director, or his girlfriend. The complexity has increased.”

One thing hasn’t changed: Real’s “enormous passion for triumph”. The club is just two points behind Barcelona in the Spanish league. Next month it faces Olympique Lyon in the second round of the Champions League, hunting its 10th European title, “la décima”. Valdano promises: “When Barcelona awakens from its dream, el Madrid will be there, to occupy the place it’s always had in football’s history.”

Well, possibly.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: Flex on March 17, 2020, 04:35:03 PM
Copa America postponed from 2020 to 2021
AFP Relax News


The Copa America due to kick off in June in Argentina and Colombia was on Tuesday postponed by a year to 2021 because of the coronavirus pandemic, organisers CONMEBOL said.

The announcement came shortly after UEFA's similar decision to also push back Euro 2020 by 12 months.

The Copa is South America's main continental competition between national sides and had been scheduled to run between June 12-July 12.

The competition was being staged for the first time in two countries rather than one.

The finals featuring 12 teams, for this edition included invitees Australia and Qatar.

"It's an extraordinary measure due to an unexpected situation, and therefore responds to the fundamental need to avoid an exponential evolution of the virus," said CONMEBOL.

The tournament is now rescheduled to run from June 11-July 11 2021.

The decision was taken in conjunction with UEFA's decision to postpone Euro 2020 to 2021.

"We also thank UEFA and its president Aleksander Ceferin for working together and the co-ordinated decision to also postpone the 2020 Euros for the betterment of the whole football family," added CONMEBOL.

The South American governing body had decided to align the Copa, which mostly used to be played in odd years, to the Euros in order to reduce the impact on European clubs, where a large number of South American international players ply their trade.

Club football all over the world has been suspended due to the coronavirus leaving teams and leagues sweating on whether they will be able to finish the current season.

Many governments have imposed travel restrictions, bans on sports events and even total lockdowns on their populations' movements.

According to the latest figures more than 180,000 people worldwide have been affected by the coronavirus outbreak with 7,400 people dying from the COVID-19 disease.

The suspension of the Copa and Euros increases the chances of domestic leagues being brought to a conclusion, as long as such social limitations are lifted in the coming weeks or months.

Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on May 30, 2021, 11:28:26 PM
Even Copa America in doubt.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/soccer-conmebol-suspends-copa-america-021320392.html

Daniela Desantis
Sun, May 30, 2021, 10:13 PM
By Daniela Desantis

ASUNCION (Reuters) -The South American Football Confederation (CONMEBOL) said on Sunday that Argentina would no longer host the Copa America, throwing the troubled tournament into doubt just 13 days before it was due to kick off.

The tournament, featuring 10 South American nations, had been due to be held in Argentina and Colombia between June 13 and July 10, the first time in its 105-year history with joint hosts.

However, Colombia was removed as co-host on May 20 after a wave of protests demanding social and economic change spread across the country and Argentina has now followed due to what CONMEBOL said was the "present circumstances".

Daniela Desantis
Sun, May 30, 2021, 10:13 PM
By Daniela Desantis

ASUNCION (Reuters) -The South American Football Confederation (CONMEBOL) said on Sunday that Argentina would no longer host the Copa America, throwing the troubled tournament into doubt just 13 days before it was due to kick off.

The tournament, featuring 10 South American nations, had been due to be held in Argentina and Colombia between June 13 and July 10, the first time in its 105-year history with joint hosts.

However, Colombia was removed as co-host on May 20 after a wave of protests demanding social and economic change spread across the country and Argentina has now followed due to what CONMEBOL said was the "present circumstances".

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CONMEBOL did not disclose the nature of the circumstances that led to the decision but Argentina is currently experiencing a surge in COVID-19 cases.

"CONMEBOL is analysing offers from other countries that have shown interest in hosting the continental tournament," it said in a short statement. "Updates will be announced soon."

Officials from the organisation will meet on Monday to decide on the next steps for the tournament, which was held over from 2020 due to the pandemic.

Sunday's stunning decision was announced shortly before 11 p.m. in Argentina at the end of a weekend in which opposition to the tournament grew both inside and outside the government.

Argentina saw COVID-19 cases grow quickly in May and prompted the government to mandate a strict new lockdown.

Thursday saw a record one-day number of new cases and the overall death toll had hit 76,693 by the weekend, according to data from the World Health Organisation.

Even some players who had returned to South America to prepare for the tournament expressed doubts, with Luis Suarez of Uruguay telling reporters on Friday, ”we have to give priority to the health of human beings".

Gonzalo Belloso, CONMEBOL’s secretary general, said last week the organisation had spoken to Chilean officials with a view to perhaps hosting some matches there.

Organisers are reluctant to call the tournament off because of its importance financially. The last Copa America, held in Brazil in 2019, brought in $118 million and was the second biggest annual source of revenue after the Copa Libertadores, the equivalent of Europe's Champions League.

This year each competing nation is to receive a minimum of $4 million, with the winner receiving an additional $10 million, CONMEBOL said.

CONMEBOL’s reputation has taken a battering in recent years, with the organisation forced to move the second leg of the 2018 Copa Libertadores final to Madrid due to fan violence in Buenos Aires.

(Reporting by Daniela Desantis in Asuncion and Andrew Downie in London; writing by Andrew Downie in London; Editing by Christian Schmollinger/Peter Rutherford)
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: ffisback on May 31, 2021, 01:57:41 AM
This year is a write off they should move the Olympic games to 2022 and the world cup to 2023
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on May 31, 2021, 06:07:36 AM
This year is a write off they should move the Olympic games to 2022 and the world cup to 2023

Say that quietly boy, them money men doh  like that kinda talk.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: Flex on May 31, 2021, 12:09:41 PM
Copa America 2021: Brazil new hosts as tournament moved from Argentina, Colombia
By Adriana Garcia
ESPN


CONMEBOL named Brazil as the host nation of the 47th Copa America on Monday.

The decision was made less than 24 hours after South America's football governing body announced Argentina would no longer stage the event that is due to start on June 13 and last until July 10.

A CONMEBOL statement read: "The CONMEBOL @CopaAmerica 2021 will be played in Brazil! Tournament start and end dates are confirmed. The venues and the fixture will be informed by CONMEBOL in the next few hours. The oldest national team tournament in the world will thrill the entire continent!"

CONMEBOL president Alejandro Dominguez said it was a unanimous decision that the council took to have Brazil as the host nation. He also thanked original co-hosts Argentina and Colombia and stated that opportunities will come along for the two countries to stage events in the future.

Brazil are the holders of the competition, having won it on home soil in 2019.

CONMEBOL cited "the present circumstances" as the reason for Argentina's withdrawal as hosts, with the country having experienced an increase in COVID-19 cases. There were 348 deaths reported on Sunday and 21,346 new infections.

CONMEBOL, reluctant to cancel the tournament for a second straight year after the 2020 event was not held due to the pandemic, acted quickly with less than two weeks to go before the start of the competition.

The tournament involving 10 South American countries, was originally set to be staged by Argentina and Colombia, the first time in its 105-year history to have joint hosts.

Colombia had a request to have the tournament postponed rejected by CONMEBOL and pulled out as co-hosts on May 20 due to social and economic unrest in the nation.

Lionel Messi's Argentina are scheduled to open the tournament against Chile on June 13, while Brazil begin their title defence against Venezuela one day later.

South American teams are also preparing for the 2022 World Cup qualifiers that were originally scheduled to be played in March but were postponed because of coronavirus travel restrictions.

Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: ffisback on May 31, 2021, 05:17:02 PM
Copa America 2021: Brazil new hosts as tournament moved from Argentina, Colombia
By Adriana Garcia
ESPN


CONMEBOL named Brazil as the host nation of the 47th Copa America on Monday.

The decision was made less than 24 hours after South America's football governing body announced Argentina would no longer stage the event that is due to start on June 13 and last until July 10.

A CONMEBOL statement read: "The CONMEBOL @CopaAmerica 2021 will be played in Brazil! Tournament start and end dates are confirmed. The venues and the fixture will be informed by CONMEBOL in the next few hours. The oldest national team tournament in the world will thrill the entire continent!"

CONMEBOL president Alejandro Dominguez said it was a unanimous decision that the council took to have Brazil as the host nation. He also thanked original co-hosts Argentina and Colombia and stated that opportunities will come along for the two countries to stage events in the future.

Brazil are the holders of the competition, having won it on home soil in 2019.

CONMEBOL cited "the present circumstances" as the reason for Argentina's withdrawal as hosts, with the country having experienced an increase in COVID-19 cases. There were 348 deaths reported on Sunday and 21,346 new infections.

CONMEBOL, reluctant to cancel the tournament for a second straight year after the 2020 event was not held due to the pandemic, acted quickly with less than two weeks to go before the start of the competition.

The tournament involving 10 South American countries, was originally set to be staged by Argentina and Colombia, the first time in its 105-year history to have joint hosts.

Colombia had a request to have the tournament postponed rejected by CONMEBOL and pulled out as co-hosts on May 20 due to social and economic unrest in the nation.

Lionel Messi's Argentina are scheduled to open the tournament against Chile on June 13, while Brazil begin their title defence against Venezuela one day later.

South American teams are also preparing for the 2022 World Cup qualifiers that were originally scheduled to be played in March but were postponed because of coronavirus travel restrictions.


Who in there right mind is going to go to Brazil at this time.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on June 01, 2021, 10:36:15 AM
CONMEBOL is managing two major tournaments aside from the Copa America. As far as COVID, only 0.7% of players contracted COVID during 254 matches. Not shabby. Plus CONMEBOL has been ensuring that all footballers across the continent are vaccinated. They secured 50,000 Sinovac. The indictment of CONMEBOL regarding reputation is overstated.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: Flex on July 08, 2021, 04:21:05 AM
Copa America 2021: All the records that Lionel Messi can break in the final against Brazil
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Lionel Messi has been the star performer for Argentina in the ongoing Copa America 2021 (https://copaamerica.com/en/groups/) with four goals and five assists already to his name.

The former FC Barcelona captain has been directly involved in nine out of the 11 goals La Albiceleste has scored so far in the tournament. Out of the four goals he scored, two came from free-kicks. He also appeared in his 150th international match for Argentina in the semifinal against Colombia on Wednesday morning.

The superstar has created a few records in the ongoing tournament like becoming the most capped Argentine player of all time and he is in line to create a few more records in the final of the tournament.

First, let's take a look at all records Messi has broken already in this tournament.

What are the records Messi has already broken at the Copa America?

1) Most appearances for Argentina
In the ongoing Copa America, Lionel Messi surpassed his former FC Barcelona and Argentina teammate Javier Mascherano's tally of most appearances for La Albiceleste (147). At the beginning of the competition, Messi had 144 international caps to his name and after Argentina's final group stage match against Bolivia, the superstar became the most-capped Argentine player of all time. He currently has 150 international caps.

2) First Argentine to feature at six Copa Americas
With his participation at the Copa America 2021, Lionel Messi became the first Argentina international to play in six editions of the tournament (2007-2021). The Barcelona skipper surpassed Javier Mascherano's record of playing in five Copa Americas.

3) Most assists provided in a single tournament
With five assists in six matches in the ongoing Copa America 2021, Lionel Messi scripted the record of providing the most number of assists in one edition of Copa America.

What are the records Messi can break or touch in the Copa America 2021 final?

1) Joint-most appearances in Copa America
With an appearance in the final of the Copa America 2021 against Brazil, Messi will touch Chile's Sergio Livingstone's record of playing 34 matches in the tournament. Before the start of the tournament, the Barcelona legend had 27 appearances, one more than Mascherano.

2) Most goals in Copa America
With four goals in six matches in the ongoing Copa America 2021, Messi has scored 13 goals in six editions of the tournament. He is four goals short of touching Zizinho (Brazil) and Norberto Mendez's (Argentina) tally of 17 goals, the most by any player in the competition.

Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on July 08, 2021, 08:53:31 AM
Has Messi ever won the Copa America with Argentina.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on July 08, 2021, 10:25:33 AM
Has Messi ever won the Copa America with Argentina.

The last time Argentina won the Copa America Messi wasn't known across the globe (he was a 6 year old). And it was their last title of significance. Simeone was playing still.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on July 08, 2021, 10:33:04 AM
Has Messi ever won the Copa America with Argentina.

The last time Argentina won the Copa America Messi wasn't known across the globe (he was a 6 year old). And it was their last title of significance. Simeone was playing still.

In all those years he hasn't made a damn difference.  :devil:
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: Cocorite on July 08, 2021, 10:47:35 AM
Has Messi ever won the Copa America with Argentina.

The last time Argentina won the Copa America Messi wasn't known across the globe (he was a 6 year old). And it was their last title of significance. Simeone was playing still.

In all those years he hasn't made a damn difference.  :devil:
What a waste ah time.  ;D
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on July 08, 2021, 12:44:37 PM
Has Messi ever won the Copa America with Argentina.

The last time Argentina won the Copa America Messi wasn't known across the globe (he was a 6 year old). And it was their last title of significance. Simeone was playing still.

In all those years he hasn't made a damn difference.  :devil:
What a waste ah time.  ;D

Gosh boy, allyuh cruel!!!
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on July 10, 2021, 09:18:44 AM
L. Diaz of Colombia will probably be the player of the tournament. Not sure what club he plays for but his stock certainly went up! Some fascinating goals including last nights winner over Peru in the dying seconds.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: Peong on July 10, 2021, 10:37:24 AM
I backing Brazil to take it. They have a much better squad but Arg have Messi. If Neymar could put aside his greed Brazil can score a few. It does be so painful watching him try to force the goal. When yuh draw 2, 3 players pass the ball.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: 100% Barataria on July 10, 2021, 12:31:54 PM
L. Diaz of Colombia will probably be the player of the tournament. Not sure what club he plays for but his stock certainly went up! Some fascinating goals including last nights winner over Peru in the dying seconds.

Porto, but not for long.....
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on July 10, 2021, 11:51:09 PM
Messi finally win a big international tournament out of the Oliympics. Congrats! And Brazil .....
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on July 11, 2021, 09:25:59 AM
Messi finally win a big international tournament out of the Oliympics. Congrats! And Brazil .....
Yea bro, happy for Messi after all he did for football. Neymar hopefully can win a trophy with Brazil in the near future.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: Deeks on July 11, 2021, 10:10:18 AM
Messi finally win a big international tournament out of the Oliympics. Congrats! And Brazil .....
Yea bro, happy for Messi after all he did for football. Neymar hopefully can win a trophy with Brazil in the near future.

Neymar like Messi has already won Copa America and Olympics. What both don't have is WC.
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: soccerman on July 11, 2021, 10:25:10 AM
Messi finally win a big international tournament out of the Oliympics. Congrats! And Brazil .....
Yea bro, happy for Messi after all he did for football. Neymar hopefully can win a trophy with Brazil in the near future.

Neymar like Messi has already won Copa America and Olympics. What both don't have is WC.
I thought Neymar won a copa before but I swore the commentator said last night that he’s yet to win a major trophy with Brazil. It could very well be that I heard wrong lol
Title: Re: Copa America Thread
Post by: Brownsugar on July 12, 2021, 04:25:56 PM
Messi finally win a big international tournament out of the Oliympics. Congrats! And Brazil .....
Yea bro, happy for Messi after all he did for football. Neymar hopefully can win a trophy with Brazil in the near future.

Neymar like Messi has already won Copa America and Olympics. What both don't have is WC.
I thought Neymar won a copa before but I swore the commentator said last night that he’s yet to win a major trophy with Brazil. It could very well be that I heard wrong lol

Neymar was injured when Brazil won the Copa in 2019.  So technically he hasn't won a major international trophy....(unless Olympic medals count.... :thinking:)
https://en.as.com/en/2021/07/09/football/1625829873_675854.html (https://en.as.com/en/2021/07/09/football/1625829873_675854.html)