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Title: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Co Durham on October 21, 2007, 01:42:31 PM
AWESOME.

That is all!



Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: WestCoast on October 21, 2007, 01:43:49 PM
MAGNIFICENT!!
that is all! = talk dun ;D
 and Welcome Co Durham ;)
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: dreamer on October 21, 2007, 01:49:56 PM
AWESOME.

That is all!


Thanks Co Du. We share your thrill. I've never seen anybody dominate in the air like that for EVERY! ball. Heading at will to goal purely on the basis of untouchable gymnastic edge, not to mention his astute positioning and reading of the game.

Welcome aboard.
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Father Abraham on October 21, 2007, 02:44:59 PM
the man reach. he really make we proud out there. it is all about kenwyn jones and he only getting better. his work rate is superb but he needs some suppport up front. keep it up kenwyn
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Ngozi on October 21, 2007, 02:48:03 PM
My two forwards   Cornell Glenn and KJ  and half my midfield Carlos and Memum
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: saga pinto on October 21, 2007, 02:53:54 PM
Everytime I watch KJ I does marvel of how good this man really is and then ah does get vex knowing he have no support on that riff raff team,he clearly is doing all the work on that team which includes defending,attacking,midfield,the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves,kenwynne,carlos,yorke are the three best players on that team hands down......
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Midknight on October 21, 2007, 03:12:08 PM
Everytime I watch KJ I does marvel of how good this man really is and then ah does get vex knowing he have no support on that riff raff team,he clearly is doing all the work on that team which includes defending,attacking,midfield,the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves,kenwynne,carlos,yorke are the three best players on that team hands down......

Dumpalewie,excuse the borrow please, but

Hush yuh ass!
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: TRINIMITCH on October 21, 2007, 03:23:16 PM
FIRSTCLASS
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: banton on October 21, 2007, 03:33:44 PM
trinidadian  ;D
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Blue on October 21, 2007, 03:42:37 PM
They real biggin up d man on BBC....and rightly so....great performance  :beermug:  :beermug:  :beermug:
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: FLi ! on October 21, 2007, 03:52:36 PM
On match of the day on BBC, Kenwyne got a post match interview with the MOD team, well spoken and and answering the questions asked clearly.
 
For anyone who watched the game, they would have also realised that NO West Ham defender could handle him in the air. Lee Dixon Gavin Peacock and Ian Dowie all spoke very highly of him and they did video analysis of the multiple times in the game where he created opportunities for sunderland. They dedicate a good 5 minutes of the progamme to him.

They couldn't stop talking about the technique in the header and his incredible athleticism. They compared him to Drogba and talked about him being the key to sunderland staying up
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: dreamer on October 21, 2007, 04:03:56 PM
On match of the day on BBC, Kenwyne got a post match interview with the MOD team, well spoken and and answering the questions asked clearly.
 
For anyone who watched the game, they would have also realised that NO West Ham defender could handle him in the air. Lee Dixon Gavin Peacock and Ian Dowie all spoke very highly of him and they did video analysis of the multiple times in the game where he created opportunities for sunderland. They dedicate a good 5 minutes of the progamme to him.

They couldn't stop talking about the technique in the header and his incredible athleticism. They compared him to Drogba and talked about him being the key to sunderland staying up

 :applause: :applause: :applause: :salute:  :salute: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :challenge: :challenge: :challenge:

O gor' meh chest cyah geh no bigger dan it is right now. Eh!! Jones yuh mekkin' we proud dread.


Who say T&T potential for 2010? Check de talent pool nah, with youth and experience: ....

Goal:   Ince, Jan-Michael, Jack, Marvin Phillip

Defence stoppers: Telesford, Julius James, Sancho, Lawrence,

Wing backs:  Cyd, Avery, Daniel, (Drayton and Power to get extra coaching  ;D but dey go make it)

Defensive mids: Birchall, Whitley, Pacheco, Spann, Denzil....  Yorke (last hurrah  ;D )

Utility players: Spann, Pacheco

Attacking mids:  Carlos, Samuel, Toussaint, Kerry Baptiste!, Tinto,

Strikers: Stern, Jones, Glen, Scotland, McFarlane, Anthony Wolfe

Players to watch: Clyde Leon, Knox, Peltier, Radanfah, Keyeno, Hector Sam, Josh Johnson, Sealy, A fitter Hardest  ;)

Positions needed: Wing backs, stoppers, goalies, creative mids, 1 more striker like Glenn (jess in case)
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: SUPA on October 21, 2007, 04:09:58 PM
My two forwards   Cornell Glenn and KJ  and half my midfield Carlos and Memum

KJ is ah must and ah love Glenn technique and speed. But Stern will not get thrown out dat easily, whether we like him or not, Stern's experience and goal scoring record will not be over looked by any coach of our national team. These guys, have tuh really do de business really good, tuh put Stern on de bench. Notice ah said de bench, cuz he definitely have tuh be on dat national team. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: dreamer on October 21, 2007, 04:20:51 PM
My two forwards   Cornell Glenn and KJ  and half my midfield Carlos and Memum

KJ is ah must and ah love Glenn technique and speed. But Stern will not get thrown out dat easily, whether we like him or not, Stern's experience and goal scoring record will not be over looked by any coach of our national team. These guys, have tuh really do de business really good, tuh put Stern on de bench. Notice ah said de bench, cuz he definitely have tuh be on dat national team. HIGHLY BLESSED.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Stern is vital!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: palos on October 21, 2007, 04:22:42 PM
And KJ was meh captain in Fantasy Football today to boot... ;D
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Dutty on October 21, 2007, 04:36:58 PM
FANTABULOUS
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: takenoprisoners on October 21, 2007, 05:35:10 PM
Dominator
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Trinitim on October 21, 2007, 05:43:55 PM

 SPLENDIFEROUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Trinitim on October 21, 2007, 05:50:19 PM

 BOSS I CANT REMEMBER WHO MENTION IT BEFORE BUT I WAS LSITENING WHEN THE COMMENTATOR AND THEM SAY CAN ANYONE ELSE PLAY!!!!!!!!!! THAT SUMS IT UP PRETTY WELL!!!!! FROM STRIKING TO THE DEFENCE THE MAN IS A BOSS!!!!!!!!. JONES GOING AND BE SUNDERLAND TOP SCORER THIS SEASON AND WATCH FEEL THEM BIG TIME MANAGERS AIN'T WATCHING HIS PERFORMANCES, I ASSURE YOU THEY TAKING NOTES AND HOW HE YOUNG THERE ONLY COULD GET BETTER. SIZE, SKILL, SPEED, SMART, MUST I GO ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  YOU REPRESENTING TRINI WELL BOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNCLE PHILBERT MUST BE SO HAPPY!!!!!!!! WHEN I SEE HIM I WILL LAUD YOUR PRAISES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I IN TRINI FOR CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Jah Gol on October 21, 2007, 05:58:24 PM

 BOSS I CANT REMEMBER WHO MENTION IT BEFORE BUT I WAS LSITENING WHEN THE COMMENTATOR AND THEM SAY CAN ANYONE ELSE PLAY!!!!!!!!!! THAT SUMS IT UP PRETTY WELL!!!!! FROM STRIKING TO THE DEFENCE THE MAN IS A BOSS!!!!!!!!. JONES GOING AND BE SUNDERLAND TOP SCORER THIS SEASON AND WATCH FEEL THEM BIG TIME MANAGERS AIN'T WATCHING HIS PERFORMANCES, I ASSURE YOU THEY TAKING NOTES AND HOW HE YOUNG THERE ONLY COULD GET BETTER. SIZE, SKILL, SPEED, SMART, MUST I GO ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  YOU REPRESENTING TRINI WELL BOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNCLE PHILBERT MUST BE SO HAPPY!!!!!!!! WHEN I SEE HIM I WILL LAUD YOUR PRAISES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I IN TRINI FOR CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I real laugh when I hear that. Sunderland has nothing without him.
Title: Some advise to Jones.
Post by: Coach on October 21, 2007, 07:44:18 PM
Jones need to be a bit more selfish with the ball on top the box, too much lay off with ball on feet typical English style of coaching, one of the great quality in a striker is holding on to the ball and taking on defenders.

He need to develop his dribbling skills, I would recommed some 1v1 coaching sessions with someone like Latas on dribbling.

Title: Re: Some advise to Jones.
Post by: royal on October 21, 2007, 07:51:03 PM
Good Advise.Learning to take on defenders 1v1.Must say though he is our #1 striker at the moment. 
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Ngozi on October 21, 2007, 08:04:03 PM
Lawd when carlos come back is presshah
Title: Re: Some advise to Jones.
Post by: SUPA on October 21, 2007, 08:44:14 PM
Jones need to be a bit more selfish with the ball on top the box, too much lay off with ball on feet typical English style of coaching, one of the great quality in a striker is holding on to the ball and taking on defenders.

He need to develop his dribbling skills, I would recommed some 1v1 coaching sessions with someone like Latas on dribbling.



Coach, ah must say dat is ah pretty good observation and corrective action on your path. However, dat will come in handy on dat rare occasion, when he may need tuh do dat. Obviously dat is not what Keane want, we could see dat from de lil time he playing wid dem. So guess what boss, he better lay it off eh, cuz is Sunderland putting food on he table and Keane is he boss. May be fuh de national team, dat 1v1 might work wid de dutch style of coaching, but wid Keane, dat is ah no, no  :beermug:. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: Some advise to Jones.
Post by: Peong on October 21, 2007, 09:09:51 PM
Boy the more tricks yuh have in yuh bag de better.
Never shy away from learning something that will improve your skills.
When he doh have anybody to lay it off to he need to be able to take on defenders.

I think he have some skills though, ah remember he hit a man a drag on de line for T&T in a WC qualifier or warmup ah cah remember.
Title: Re: Some advise to Jones.
Post by: Football supporter on October 22, 2007, 04:28:37 AM
Jones need to be a bit more selfish with the ball on top the box, too much lay off with ball on feet typical English style of coaching, one of the great quality in a striker is holding on to the ball and taking on defenders.

He need to develop his dribbling skills, I would recommed some 1v1 coaching sessions with someone like Latas on dribbling.



Although I would agree with you in many ways, one of the basic coaching techniques for a defender is to be told to force an attacker wide. When a striker is running towards goal, you have two aims. Firstly, do not let him shoot, secondly, do not tackle him and risk giving away a free kick in a dangerous area.

Instead, shape your body to force him wide. This allows a defensive midfielder to drop back and cover. Once in a safer position, either make a tackle or shepherd him to the corner. Again, shape your body to bring him on to his weaker foot.

People say that strikers are restricted by English managers. This is nonsense. Britain has a tradition of great wingers who set the game alight by dribbling. Tom Finney, George Best, Ryan Giggs. The list goes on.

Where the English game kills dribbling is the opposition managers. These guys look for ways to stop and frustrate the opposition. That is why Ronaldo and Owen don't run with the ball so much. Roy Keane spent his career stopping players like that from playing. Keeping possession may not be more exciting, but developing a faster one touch game up front is a lot harder to defend against. Much like the Shearer/Sutton Blackburn partnership, Cole/Shearer Newcastle pairing, Fowler/McManaman Liverpool pairing and now perhaps Rooney/Tevez at Man U. This is why its so important to get two strikers playing well together. Its far better from a managers point of view to get two average strikers playing one twos in front of the goal than a dribbling wizard who's game can be stifled by a good defender.

If you then develop your fullback/midfield partnership such as Beckham/Neville and for England Richards/Wright Phillips, who can attack the flanks, you create a more potent attacking force and can play with one striker and two attacking midfielders.  However, if you have a player such as Maradonna, you just let him go for t and build the team around him. Unfortunately,much as I admire Kenwynne, he ain't Maradonna!

With todays tactical managers, its not so much about having the best players, but out thinking the opposition. Prime example:- Gerrard & Lampard for England. Individually, both could play for Enland, but never, ever together.
Title: Re: Some advise to Jones.
Post by: Observer on October 22, 2007, 05:28:03 AM
Why dribbling? He can improve his ability to make space for himself and finish in and around the penalty area, (with both feet and head).  He does not necessarily have to be able to dribble. Many top class strikers cannot or could not dribble.
Title: Re: Some advise to Jones.
Post by: JDB on October 22, 2007, 05:37:58 AM
Good observation coach but I find that when Jones has been one on one with the last man he has not been afraid to try to turn on them.

Most times he has tried to lay it off is when he was under heavy pressure. Also I think that the part of his game that he needs to work on is his short layoffs to foot and to space. Too often they going to the players standing foot or bobbling. Those passes need to be perfect.

The danger of dribbling when you have more than one player when you have team mates as options is that when the play breaks down it could be sure goal.
Title: Re: Some advise to Jones.
Post by: Fyzoman on October 22, 2007, 05:43:24 AM
ah imagine ah lot ah men on dis forum feel de same way bout Kenwyne Coops; ah know I do. There were times when ah thought he coulda be alil selfish and take men on, but like other men say, MAYBE (???) Keane doh want that, however unless Kenwyne/Dwight/Carlos tell we, we won't know for sure. ah don't see how developing his one v one dribbling skill could hurt his (we) game, and while i do respect fellahs analysis and ting, YO!! at the end ah de day you could be John Terry but if yuh have big strong/more-skillful Kenwyne Jones coming at yuh, yuh could try to send him which ever direction yuh want, when is time to take yuh drag/shoulder-feint/step-over, bredda yuh taking it. On a related note, all ah could think about is having a fit Kenwyne when WC Qualifiers start, ah cyah wait, and yeah. yeah the analysis men go start talking bout what dis or dat team will do to neutralize him, blah, blah, blah.....all i know is he will be a force to be reckoned with for dem concacaf teams. Bless
Title: Re: Some advise to Jones.
Post by: Jah Gol on October 22, 2007, 05:52:05 AM
All Jones has to do is tap into the experience of the good people around him. Keane, Yorke, Edwards etc. With hard work he will progress naturally.
Title: Re: Some advise to Jones.
Post by: just cool on October 22, 2007, 06:18:26 AM
My two cents, cornell Glenn is such a player not jonesy,not that Jones can't develop into such a players, but Jones so reminds me of drogba, not to fancy wid the footworks , but knows how to score, and that's just what we need on the national team , the same goes for sunlun. we had great dribblers in the past but hardly any finishers who got the ball in the back of the net, played excellent and dazzled the crowd, but no goals, and that's the main reason we sucked so much in the past, lack of finishing which is so frustrating.
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: just cool on October 22, 2007, 07:10:19 AM
Everytime I watch KJ I does marvel of how good this man really is and then ah does get vex knowing he have no support on that riff raff team,he clearly is doing all the work on that team which includes defending,attacking,midfield,the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves,kenwynne,carlos,yorke are the three best players on that team hands down......
Pinto,  that's an extreemly rude statment yuh made about the rest of the team, it's also false. FYI grant ledbitter had an awesome game as well as most of the team, and your trini bias shows quite clear. yorke aint score one goal for the whole season even though he played his part, so don't say them boys is the best on the team. man like higginbotham, nosworthy , ledbitter , miller ,mc shane and collins are playing excellent ball, they're just unlucky at the most crucial times, and such is the prem. i believe the team will get their footing preety soon . have some patients bro.                  positive.
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: saga pinto on October 22, 2007, 07:20:17 AM
Everytime I watch KJ I does marvel of how good this man really is and then ah does get vex knowing he have no support on that riff raff team,he clearly is doing all the work on that team which includes defending,attacking,midfield,the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves,kenwynne,carlos,yorke are the three best players on that team hands down......
Pinto,  that's an extreemly rude statment yuh made about the rest of the team, it's also false. FYI grant ledbitter had an awesome game as well as most of the team, and your trini bias shows quite clear. yorke aint score one goal for the whole season even though he played his part, so don't say them boys is the best on the team. man like higginbotham, nosworthy , ledbitter , miller ,mc shane and collins are playing excellent ball, they're just unlucky at the most crucial times, and such is the prem. i believe the team will get their footing preety soon . have some patients bro.                  positive.

Okay I will take that as I should and retract what I said earlier,so as to be more patient in my analysis,because clearly people see something in the team that I'm not seeing,but maybe time will tell...........
Title: Re: Some advise to Jones.
Post by: grskywalker on October 22, 2007, 07:47:03 AM
Jones need to be a bit more selfish with the ball on top the box, too much lay off with ball on feet typical English style of coaching, one of the great quality in a striker is holding on to the ball and taking on defenders.

He need to develop his dribbling skills, I would recommed some 1v1 coaching sessions with someone like Latas on dribbling.



Well even dwight did not dribble as much when he was at Manchester either, you know how brutal the EPL is you really ain't have time to do all that before yuh get blade, so quick reflex and first touch is important, because you need to get that shot off as fast and as accurate as you can. Jones goal at Reading was sweet , because he leave out the defender with one touch , turn and boom goal.
Title: Re: Some advise to Jones.
Post by: Coach on October 22, 2007, 07:55:39 AM
Very good points by all, but a striker will get into a situations were we will be isolated at times and will need to take on a defender to create a goal scoring opportunity, he can run away from this situaltion and look for the late support.

Jones has the tools to be top class striker, and being able to eliminate a defender at times will be one part of his game that can make him a world class striker.
Title: Re: Some advise to Jones.
Post by: spideybuff on October 22, 2007, 08:03:14 AM
No offense coach, but that is trinidad style advice and all of us here will agree with you that is what is good for Jones. However, that is not why he was bought by Sunderland. His job is to collect the ball with his back toward the goal, lay it off for a teammate and then get into the area for the cross to finish. Simple.

All he need the tricks for is to be able to hold onto the ball til he get support, which he does very well. Doh get tie up...Jones could dribble, he just doh need to a la Dwight Yorke when he went to England. It is not necessary, but when he in a situation where he has no choice but to dribble, he can and will. However, it is usually just to maintain posisession and not to advance position.

Maybe it is his misfortune because of his stature, but the smaller nippy striker, like Chopra and Stokes, are the ones who Keane expect to be running at men with the ball and dribbling after getting the layoff from Jones.

If you watch his game, he understands it to perfection in my opinion. When he get the ball played into him, his back is toward goal and he looks to lay it off to a teammamte. However, several times when the play breakdown and he was facing the goal he look to take on the man just to make space for himeslf and shoot, virtually every time. I see enough of Kenwyne to know he could dribble, man.

Watch the World Cup games without emotions and from a coaching standpoint and u will see it. He collect and layoff or collect and turn on the man before getting a foul or a throw-in 95% of the time.
Title: Re: Some advise to Jones.
Post by: grskywalker on October 22, 2007, 08:04:36 AM
My two cents, cornell Glenn is such a player not jonesy,not that Jones can't develop into such a players, but Jones so reminds me of drogba, not to fancy wid the footworks , but knows how to score, and that's just what we need on the national team , the same goes for sunlun. we had great dribblers in the past but hardly any finishers who got the ball in the back of the net, played excellent and dazzled the crowd, but no goals, and that's the main reason we sucked so much in the past, lack of finishing which is so frustrating.


I keep saying it over and over CORNELL GLEN AND JONES UP FRONT FOR TNT is PURE POISON! WE  HAVE THE OPTIONS NOW MORE THAN EVER BEFORE
Title: Re: Some advise to Jones.
Post by: Diambars on October 22, 2007, 08:21:57 AM
Roy Keene in an interview after the game yesterday was asked "how threatening is KJ tp PFL defenders"?  And his response conatined the following "you saw for yourself today, he has a physical presence, good touch and is quick.  We are delighted with KJ".  Compare those statements to the concern raised in this post and one must ask who is closer to the truth here?
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: spideybuff on October 22, 2007, 08:27:05 AM
With Saha getting iinjured all the time, I feel Sir Alex will tell Keano..."I need Kenwyne to finish them thing thst Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney creating. Here, i giving you real money plus I will buy big players from foreign, chain them up to come to Manu and loan them to u, just tell me who u want. Please, Roy...doh get on so nah man, let me buy him from u nah! I know u might get relegated without him but doh study it, u will get my job next couple years and be reunited with him and then u will win everything too!''

But seriously...he looking like a class act and at 22 he on track to be better than Dwight was, which says a lot.
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: WestCoast on October 22, 2007, 08:41:25 AM
With Saha getting iinjured all the time, I feel Sir Alex will tell Keano..."I need Kenwyne to finish them thing thst Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney creating. Here, i giving you real money plus I will buy big players from foreign, chain them up to come to Manu and loan them to u, just tell me who u want. Please, Roy...doh get on so nah man, let me buy him from u nah! I know u might get relegated without him but doh study it, u will get my job next couple years and be reunited with him and then u will win everything too!''
But seriously...he looking like a class act and at 22 he on track to be better than Dwight was, which says a lot.
wid all due respect, why Braveheart doh send Shrek to Sunderland ;D
Title: Re: Some advise to Jones.
Post by: Fyzoman on October 22, 2007, 08:48:33 AM
No offense coach, but that is trinidad style advice and all of us here will agree with you that is what is good for Jones. However, that is not why he was bought by Sunderland. His job is to collect the ball with his back toward the goal, lay it off for a teammate and then get into the area for the cross to finish. Simple.
All he need the tricks for is to be able to hold onto the ball til he get support, which he does very well. Doh get tie up...Jones could dribble, he just doh need to a la Dwight Yorke when he went to England. It is not necessary, but when he in a situation where he has no choice but to dribble, he can and will. However, it is usually just to maintain posisession and not to advance position.

Maybe it is his misfortune because of his stature, but the smaller nippy striker, like Chopra and Stokes, are the ones who Keane expect to be running at men with the ball and dribbling after getting the layoff from Jones.

If you watch his game, he understands it to perfection in my opinion. When he get the ball played into him, his back is toward goal and he looks to lay it off to a teammamte. However, several times when the play breakdown and he was facing the goal he look to take on the man just to make space for himeslf and shoot, virtually every time. I see enough of Kenwyne to know he could dribble, man.

Watch the World Cup games without emotions and from a coaching standpoint and u will see it. He collect and layoff or collect and turn on the man before getting a foul or a throw-in 95% of the time.

I need to amend my earlier post, "Unless we hear it from Kenwyne/Dwight/Carlos/SpideyBuff we won't know for sure what is Keane's plan for Kenwyne." My bad! ;)
Title: Re: Some advise to Jones.
Post by: Observer on October 22, 2007, 08:52:08 AM
developing dribbling ability takes considerable time. If it was that easy almost every player would develop that ability. Jones has pace & strength and that is what he will have to build upon

Koller, Battistuta, Klose, Luca Toni, Borgetti, Morientes, Sheara, Kluivert, Van Niselroy are all players that are great goal scorers but no one will name them for their dribbling ability.

Jones is still learning how to play the position and I am sure he will also learn to use his qualities and score many goals.
Title: Re: Some advise to Jones.
Post by: Coop's on October 22, 2007, 09:17:34 AM
ah imagine ah lot ah men on dis forum feel de same way bout Kenwyne Coops; ah know I do. There were times when ah thought he coulda be alil selfish and take men on, but like other men say, MAYBE (???) Keane doh want that, however unless Kenwyne/Dwight/Carlos tell we, we won't know for sure. ah don't see how developing his one v one dribbling skill could hurt his (we) game, and while i do respect fellahs analysis and ting, YO!! at the end ah de day you could be John Terry but if yuh have big strong/more-skillful Kenwyne Jones coming at yuh, yuh could try to send him which ever direction yuh want, when is time to take yuh drag/shoulder-feint/step-over, bredda yuh taking it. On a related note, all ah could think about is having a fit Kenwyne when WC Qualifiers start, ah cyah wait, and yeah. yeah the analysis men go start talking bout what dis or dat team will do to neutralize him, blah, blah, blah.....all i know is he will be a force to be reckoned with for dem concacaf teams. Bless
        Fyzo i hope this is a typo but" Kenwyn Coops" don't play this game any more,i had enough years of this kind of thing so i just sit back now and enjoy the ride,every body has their time,it's a different time and a different Kenwyn.
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Trini on October 22, 2007, 11:11:47 AM
I was thinking the same thing concerning Man U.

KJ finding himself now in the epl...against Man U a few weeks ago, he look ordinary.

The key will be how he perform vs them in the home game.

Alex Ferg is a man who have a thing for chasing hype players and players who do well against his team. On football sunday yesterday, no other games on the schedule and all eyes on that game, KJ really introduced himself to the rest of the Premiership big time.

Remind me of Vince Young the odda nite on Monday Night Football, vs the lesser mortals Reggie Bush and the Saints.

Lets hope he stays injury free and keep developing.

He was awesome yesterday. The key now is consistency.

Between Yorke and Keane, he could not have asked for better mentors.
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Ngozi on October 22, 2007, 12:52:43 PM
I doh think Kenwyn will beat yorke at his peak at his peak york had 29 goals and 23 assists.....have you any idea how ridiculous those stats are ........That go be too hard to pass specially with the bombsquad yorkie was with.
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: saga pinto on October 22, 2007, 02:06:19 PM
I doh think Kenwyn will beat yorke at his peak at his peak york had 29 goals and 23 assists.....have you any idea how ridiculous those stats are ........That go be too hard to pass specially with the bombsquad yorkie was with.

Agree to a point,but yuh have to equate the fact that field of players now, are far more talented than they were when yorkie played,so not to down play yorks scoring record of 29 goals but would you not agree a feat like that becomes harder in these times........... 
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: dumpalewie on October 22, 2007, 03:31:35 PM
Everytime I watch KJ I does marvel of how good this man really is and then ah does get vex knowing he have no support on that riff raff team,he clearly is doing all the work on that team which includes defending,attacking,midfield,the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves,kenwynne,carlos,yorke are the three best players on that team hands down......

Dumpalewie,excuse the borrow please, but

Hush yuh ass!
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
No Problem!!
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Midknight on October 22, 2007, 03:59:21 PM
Everytime I watch KJ I does marvel of how good this man really is and then ah does get vex knowing he have no support on that riff raff team,he clearly is doing all the work on that team which includes defending,attacking,midfield,the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves,kenwynne,carlos,yorke are the three best players on that team hands down......
Pinto,  that's an extreemly rude statment yuh made about the rest of the team, it's also false. FYI grant ledbitter had an awesome game as well as most of the team, and your trini bias shows quite clear. yorke aint score one goal for the whole season even though he played his part, so don't say them boys is the best on the team. man like higginbotham, nosworthy , ledbitter , miller ,mc shane and collins are playing excellent ball, they're just unlucky at the most crucial times, and such is the prem. i believe the team will get their footing preety soon . have some patients bro.                  positive.

Okay I will take that as I should and retract what I said earlier,so as to be more patient in my analysis,because clearly people see something in the team that I'm not seeing,but maybe time will tell...........

sorry for being so harsh on you but ah didn't have the patience to write out everything that just cool just tell you.

No need to throw the whole team under the bus. It wrong in both sense of the word.

Have a little patience and watch the matches in a less biased manner.
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: D.H.W on October 22, 2007, 04:48:24 PM

 BOSS I CANT REMEMBER WHO MENTION IT BEFORE BUT I WAS LSITENING WHEN THE COMMENTATOR AND THEM SAY CAN ANYONE ELSE PLAY!!!!!!!!!! THAT SUMS IT UP PRETTY WELL!!!!! FROM STRIKING TO THE DEFENCE THE MAN IS A BOSS!!!!!!!!. JONES GOING AND BE SUNDERLAND TOP SCORER THIS SEASON AND WATCH FEEL THEM BIG TIME MANAGERS AIN'T WATCHING HIS PERFORMANCES, I ASSURE YOU THEY TAKING NOTES AND HOW HE YOUNG THERE ONLY COULD GET BETTER. SIZE, SKILL, SPEED, SMART, MUST I GO ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  YOU REPRESENTING TRINI WELL BOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNCLE PHILBERT MUST BE SO HAPPY!!!!!!!! WHEN I SEE HIM I WILL LAUD YOUR PRAISES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I IN TRINI FOR CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I real laugh when I hear that. Sunderland has nothing without him.

u forget Carlos  ;D
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Ngozi on October 22, 2007, 06:13:50 PM
I doh think Kenwyn will beat yorke at his peak at his peak york had 29 goals and 23 assists.....have you any idea how ridiculous those stats are ........That go be too hard to pass specially with the bombsquad yorkie was with.

Agree to a point,but yuh have to equate the fact that field of players now, are far more talented than they were when yorkie played,so not to down play yorks scoring record of 29 goals but would you not agree a feat like that becomes harder in these times........... 

Saga I goh have to disagree with yuh to a point but leh we just use the champion league as an example you remember the juventus side with zidane and davids and them fellas not to mention the barcelona side with rivaldo , figo and these fellas running riot and the inter side lol i mean Yorkie score against some real big guns ayah real big ones and i have to tell yuh i enjoy watching ball that year all helluva ah lot more than i enjoying what i seeing now...So interms of standard I really doh know of the standard right now was better than that year in fact I dare say it wasnt .....Plus that united side hard giggs keane scholes cole , bechkam and arsenal beat them with anelka running riot and bergamp in he prime....look at the semis with manu and aresenal of the fa cup saddist that year had one of the highest standards I've ever seen
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: SUPA on October 22, 2007, 08:04:44 PM
I'm not a coach, I just play and know de game. However, like Coach said we do have some very good points on dis thread, but I will say again, if de taking on of defenders is not what Keane want, we will post here until 2010 and will not see that, cuz KJ have tuh do exactly what his boss and employer want him tuh do, not what he or de forum think he should do. In dat case, we may never see dat dribbling skills while he is at Sunderland. Remember, dat is a job KJ have and he is employed with a boss, just like most of us, so he have tuh follow rules and regulations, just like us. Wid dat said, it is obvious wid de loan striker (KJ) up front, there will always be a plan for x amount of players, tuh suppport KJ when he receive the ball in de 18 or around de 18, so there is no need for dribbling. Wid dis height and power, tuh me he just have tuh use dat power and tuh get some space from his maker, there is no need for fancy foot work.

By using his power and getting some space from his maker, he cud either use his speed (if there is no support) and race tuh goal and shoot or lay off, if help show up, or he could shoot directly tuh goal after getting de space from his marker. Like a member said, a Drogba style will still get him into a very big club, making big money. De main thing is tuh score goals, and have some assist, he money will be in de bank may be by January transfer window or next summer. As Trinbagonians we love we lil fancy foot work, there is nothing sweeter dan tuh see Latapy and Dinho cap or drag ah man, but really and trully, there are other ways tuh be world class. For example, Ronaldo and Van Nistelroy they are both world class strikers, Ronaldo will entertain us wid his speed and dribbling, and then put one in de old onion bag, but Van is just a plain and simple, a deadly finisher, no fancy foot work, he just does put dem in de onion bag. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: StoreBayLimer on October 22, 2007, 11:52:21 PM

Jones was sensational.
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Trinitim on October 23, 2007, 12:31:04 AM

 By the way another DEEP SOUTH PRODUCT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH AND FOR GENERAL INFORMATION HE FROM SOBO VILLAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THAT IS SOBO VILLAGE LA BREA. NOT POINT FORTIN AS I HAVE SEEN INCORRECTLY POSTED ON SOME WEBSITES. THAT IS SOBO VILLAGE LA BREA ABOUT 10 MINS DRIVE FROM WHERE I LIVE AND PHILBERT JONES FROM SOBO AS WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Johpants on October 23, 2007, 09:27:00 AM
Ah now understand the boy's complexion - he from La Brea!
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Trinitim on October 23, 2007, 11:52:56 AM
 JOHPANTS you FULL OF SHIT. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON'T GET TIE UP I FROM LA BREA AND I IS A RED MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!. YES SOME PEOPLE HAVE DARK COMPLEXION BUT YOU CAN'T BAND EVERYBODY TOGETHER BEACAUSE THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS OF WHICH I AM ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: grskywalker on October 23, 2007, 06:53:27 PM
My two forwards   Cornell Glenn and KJ  and half my midfield Carlos and Memum

Finally someone who agrees with me! 

:applause: :applause: :applause:

I would love to see this combo the next  time we could get an international game during the next  break
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Pasdah Beatz on October 23, 2007, 06:57:28 PM
De post was for one word but de man so bad an meking all ah we proud that one word not enough

My one word
REAL-BAD
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Ngozi on October 24, 2007, 10:22:17 AM

 By the way another DEEP SOUTH PRODUCT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH AND FOR GENERAL INFORMATION HE FROM SOBO VILLAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THAT IS SOBO VILLAGE LA BREA. NOT POINT FORTIN AS I HAVE SEEN INCORRECTLY POSTED ON SOME WEBSITES. THAT IS SOBO VILLAGE LA BREA ABOUT 10 MINS DRIVE FROM WHERE I LIVE AND PHILBERT JONES FROM SOBO AS WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Philbert Jones is he Uncle....!
Title: Re: KJ...1 word
Post by: Trinitim on October 24, 2007, 03:06:25 PM

 YEAH MAN!!!!!!!! PHILBERT IS HE UNCLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: Cartman on April 26, 2008, 11:33:53 AM
Guys, the big fella was immense today. It was a superb performance from Kenwynne who gave us 100% for the whole game, he is so committed to the cause he shed blood, sweat and tears.

He took a really bad knock to the head in the 2nd half and it looked really bad as both physios came running on and a medic from pitchside. I thought he had swallowed his tongue as he did not seem to move for about 5 minutes but thankfully he got up, he had his wound bandaged and ran at full speed from behind the away goal to the half way line so he could come back on.

People questioned his attitude when he was at Southampton but he was like Rambo out there today, he was battered by Wheater all day but just came back stronger. The whole ground were stood up singing his name at one point, it was a beautiful moment.

Now we safe from relegation Keane can hopefully get a top quality striker to play alongside him, according to the press Keane has said he wants to spend somewhere between £50m and £70m on players.

I am so relaxed tonight, it is fantastic to be in the EPL next seaon again and we still have 2 game left
 :beermug: :beermug:

Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: dreamer on April 26, 2008, 11:36:15 AM
 :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:

Barclays Premier League Table
26 April 2008  
   
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1 Man Utd 36 53 81
2 Chelsea 36 37 81
3 Arsenal 35 37 74
4 Liverpool 36 36 70

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5 Everton 35 21 61

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6 Aston Villa 35 22 58
7 Portsmouth 35 12 57
8 Man City 36 0 55
9 Blackburn 35 2 52
10 West Ham 36 -5 48
11 Tottenham 36 6 43
12 Newcastle 36 -16 43
13 Sunderland 36 -20 39
14 Wigan 36 -17 37
15 Middlesbrough 36 -19 36
16 Bolton 36 -20 33
17 Reading 36 -28 33

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18 Birmingham 36 -17 32
19 Fulham 36 -25 30
20 Derby 35 -59 11
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: Dinner Mints on April 26, 2008, 11:43:14 AM
Guys, the big fella was immense today. It was a superb performance from Kenwynne who gave us 100% for the whole game, he is so committed to the cause he shed blood, sweat and tears.

He took a really bad knock to the head in the 2nd half and it looked really bad as both physios came running on and a medic from pitchside. I thought he had swallowed his tongue as he did not seem to move for about 5 minutes but thankfully he got up, he had his wound bandaged and ran at full speed from behind the away goal to the half way line so he could come back on.

People questioned his attitude when he was at Southampton but he was like Rambo out there today, he was battered by Wheater all day but just came back stronger. The whole ground were stood up singing his name at one point, it was a beautiful moment.

Now we safe from relegation Keane can hopefully get a top quality striker to play alongside him, according to the press Keane has said he wants to spend somewhere between £50m and £70m on players.

I am so relaxed tonight, it is fantastic to be in the EPL next seaon again and we still have 2 game left
 :beermug: :beermug:


I think Chopra was equally immense today.
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: dinho on April 26, 2008, 01:00:24 PM
it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..

to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..

that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..

there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.

I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: kev on April 26, 2008, 01:14:45 PM
a midfield / defence would help more

btw omarldinho

I will start the Summer Signing Speculation thread after the last match of the season and keep it going through the summer, so the mods wont have stacks of threads, then we can argue to our hearts content over the summer signings.
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: just cool on April 26, 2008, 01:17:05 PM
it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..

to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..

that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..

there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.

I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.
At least chopra played better than edwards in every sense of the word better. trini bias!
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: dinho on April 26, 2008, 01:17:49 PM
a midfield / defence would help more

btw omarldinho

I will start the Summer Signing Speculation thread after the last match of the season and keep it going through the summer, so the mods wont have stacks of threads, then we can argue to our hearts content over the summer signings.

lol, no probs..

you know how much we agree on transfer targets already.  ;D

just remember i'll accept no less than 100k a year. :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: dinho on April 26, 2008, 01:20:12 PM
it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..

to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..

that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..

there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.

I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.
At least chopra played better than edwards in every sense of the word better. trini bias!

who arguing that? how carlos come in this?

i'm simply stating my opinion on chopra breds.

where did you see me mention edwards anywhere for you to accuse trini bias?

Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: just cool on April 26, 2008, 01:23:51 PM
it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..

to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..

that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..

there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.

I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.
At least chopra played better than edwards in every sense of the word better. trini bias!

who arguing that? how carlos come in this?

i'm simply stating my opinion on chopra breds.

where did you see me mention edwards anywhere for you to accuse trini bias?


Well you should've!! why jump on chops when carlos sh!tiing down he tail.
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: kev on April 26, 2008, 01:29:37 PM
a midfield / defence would help more

btw omarldinho

I will start the Summer Signing Speculation thread after the last match of the season and keep it going through the summer, so the mods wont have stacks of threads, then we can argue to our hearts content over the summer signings.

lol, no probs..

you know how much we agree on transfer targets already.  ;D

just remember i'll accept no less than 100k a year. :beermug: :beermug:

Your such a tart ;)
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: Midknight on April 26, 2008, 01:58:40 PM
it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..

to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..

that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..

there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.

I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.

You being harsh. I agree on Chopra not being the quality second striker Sunderland need, and him not linking up well with KJ, but you underating him. He's not a striker in the proper sense of the word, more like a generic "forward" but he's useful when you need somebody to play both forward and midfield (think wiltord or Govou) and that particular play where he eliminated Wheater, the drag might not have been something special but the choice on the shot was top class.Similarly, the lob he scored against Aston Villa.

He's a intelligent player. And despite his small size, he gives 100% and harangues the opposition backline whole game. Its completely in line with the team spirit and its very useful when you have a defence that doubting. And I don't think he would make problems being a sub. Unless you planning on buying Defoe or Agbonlahor or Owen or somebody so, I would recommend keeping him.
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: Filho on April 26, 2008, 02:18:38 PM
it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..

to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..

that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..

there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.

I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.
At least chopra played better than edwards in every sense of the word better. trini bias!

who arguing that? how carlos come in this?

i'm simply stating my opinion on chopra breds.

where did you see me mention edwards anywhere for you to accuse trini bias?


Well you should've!! why jump on chops when carlos sh!tiing down he tail.

Carlos had a decent game today. Def. didn't shit down himself. Neat, more competent effort than past and was more involved in the attack as the game wore on. Except for one really poor cross, it was a decent enough effort on both ends. Needs to take more risks in attack, but today's game was a relegation scrap. None of the more skilled players took any risks and it was basically route 1 football today. On the flip side, Carlos fed off the scraps well and kept possession very well in a midfield that has problems stringing passes together. Got some nice applause as he came off. Fans saw a decent effort..I agree.

Chopra was very good today. He is a good poacher and would probably be in double figures for the season if he didn't play right wing half the time. Not everyone's type of player, but the kind of goals he scores makes me think he is a better finisher than anyone else in the side.

JC..like somebody get yuh vex. If a man discussing a player he doh rate he doh have to discuss nobody else. It would be one thing if Carlos was a striker but having an opinion on Chopra have nutten to do with Carlos. For all you know, Omar coulda find carlos was the shittiest man on the field. You want to dictate man topic now or wha?
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: saga pinto on April 26, 2008, 02:28:45 PM
it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..

to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..

that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..

there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.

I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.


I not a chopra fan but it sounding like yuh looking fuh ah reason to say he eh good,look at this point where they fighting to stay up critizing or evaluating a players performance won't help them,we already know who does play shit and who alright..................Peace. 
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: dinho on April 26, 2008, 02:34:40 PM
it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..

to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..

that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..

there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.

I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.


I not a chopra fan but it sounding like yuh looking fuh ah reason to say he eh good,look at this point where they fighting to stay up critizing or evaluating a players performance won't help them,we already know who does play shit and who alright..................Peace. 

hold yuh horses..

i doh need ah reason to say he eh good. If i find he's a shitong, then I find he's a shitong.. end of text!

furthermore, they no longer fighting to stay up; as of today's result, they're now safe from relegation.

So i'm saying looking ahead, that I think they need someone with much more quality than Chopra has to partner Jones up front because he doesn't impress me as anything more than a useful player; even though admittedly he had a good game today.

Hope that's simple enough reasoning for you.
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: weary1969 on April 26, 2008, 03:32:52 PM
Sunderland now all  yuh safe get KJ some help 4 08-09 pleezeeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 26, 2008, 05:30:24 PM
ah fine allyuh blasted bias...fact is chopra was a newcastle understudy....only reason he didnt make it there cause he competing against Shearer...to me ...he givin jones competition and that is what keeping sunderland competitive in d forward line....
I get d feeling if Chopra was ah black man allyuh mighta big him up....but because he is neither black or trini....castigate him....right?
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: AB.Trini on April 26, 2008, 05:35:32 PM
K.J. Played like a 'warrior' ran like a warrior and looked like ah warrior today.
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: Filho on April 26, 2008, 06:29:55 PM

I get d feeling if Chopra was ah black man allyuh mighta big him up....but because he is neither black or trini....castigate him....right?

And I get the feeling you trying to pollute this thread with a smart man reverse racism. Who is allyuh? Did you even take your time to read the posts? There are more posts giving Chopra props here than the ones that doh rate him and I could tell yuh it have some black Trinis that give him props right here on this thread. By the way, you must be a millionaire by now with that technology you have that could ascertain a person race in an anonymous forum.
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: Ngozi on April 26, 2008, 07:01:31 PM
Actually i thought chopra made some good diagonal movements off the ball today ...in fact he runs off the ball better than KJ does i think he's decent or in fact useful . I see no reason to get rid of him he fits a role that this team needs because they have no stars on this team just a bunch of workers.
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: davidephraim on April 26, 2008, 07:05:25 PM
ah fine allyuh blasted bias...fact is chopra was a newcastle understudy....only reason he didnt make it there cause he competing against Shearer...to me ...he givin jones competition and that is what keeping sunderland competitive in d forward line....
I get d feeling if Chopra was ah black man allyuh mighta big him up....but because he is neither black or trini....castigate him....right?

oh boy.... now yuh did it.... Chopra could not be black because his parents are white.. its pretty elementary.. I'm glad that I was available to clear this point up for de forum.

Davidephraim strikes again...
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: mal jeux on April 26, 2008, 07:25:26 PM
ah fine allyuh blasted bias...fact is chopra was a newcastle understudy....only reason he didnt make it there cause he competing against Shearer...to me ...he givin jones competition and that is what keeping sunderland competitive in d forward line....
I get d feeling if Chopra was ah black man allyuh mighta big him up....but because he is neither black or trini....castigate him....right?

good call Naipaul.

BTW..anyone see Carlos "Cortina" Edwards today?  ::)
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: Big Magician on April 26, 2008, 07:29:39 PM
Thanks Cartman...congrats to Sunderland....and the tnt lads as well
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: kicker on April 26, 2008, 07:47:47 PM
it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..

to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..

that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..

there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.

I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.

I think your opinion on Chopra is reflective as much of an opinion on Chopra's ability, as it is of the type of player that you (and we Trinis in general) like...From what I've seen this season, Chopra is a very industrious player who can hit the net when he gets the chance. His strike rate might actually be better than Jones' (he's only scored 2 less than Jones, and I ain't the team statistician, but I think Jones has had alot more looks on goal than Chopra)....and the quality of his goals are actually better than Jones' ...so the gap in quality between the two (as strikers) isn't really that big.

Jones is way more of a central figure at Sunderland than Chopra, but Chopra's role in the team this season was significant as well in my opinion, and he showed some versatility being able to fill more than one position. I think if he didn't have the "hunch-back" lol...and he made his job like a little graceful, he might escape your criticism...Just my take based on the type of players that we Trinis enjoy watching....

I might get cuss for this, but I'm still not fully convinced that Jones is a quality "striker". I think he's a tremendous athlete, and a decent utility football player, and striker is just one of the positions where he can hold his own especially in a team that relies on a big man target to aim at up front.... Despite Jones' talismanic role at Sunderland this year, if Keano is trying to inject true quality through big spending this year in the hopes of builing a smooth running football team as opposed to the route one smash & grab that Sunderland played this year, I'm not sure if Jones is gonna be that big player that the team is built around, as he was this season.
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: just cool on April 26, 2008, 07:54:26 PM
ah fine allyuh blasted bias...fact is chopra was a newcastle understudy....only reason he didnt make it there cause he competing against Shearer...to me ...he givin jones competition and that is what keeping sunderland competitive in d forward line....
I get d feeling if Chopra was ah black man allyuh mighta big him up....but because he is neither black or trini....castigate him....right?

oh boy.... now yuh did it.... Chopra could not be black because his parents are white.. its pretty elementary.. I'm glad that I was available to clear this point up for de forum.

Davidephraim strikes again...
White?!! with ah name like chopra ? breds the man is bi-racial, his mother's white and his father is indian.
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 26, 2008, 08:05:27 PM
And I get the feeling you trying to pollute this thread with a smart man reverse racism. Who is allyuh? Did you even take your time to read the posts? There are more posts giving Chopra props here than the ones that doh rate him and I could tell yuh it have some black Trinis that give him props right here on this thread. By the way, you must be a millionaire by now with that technology you have that could ascertain a person race in an anonymous forum.

Filho...I like the way you like to use the word pollute...where I am making a general observation. There is nothing wrong with addressing what others would like to say but are sometimes passive about and shrug off. I feel this to be very pertinent ..Is like asking why arent there more players other than MOSTLY of African heritage in the TNT national team and how do we address it and why isnt affirmative action being implemented ?
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: Madd Ras#13 on April 26, 2008, 08:33:19 PM
ah fine allyuh blasted bias...fact is chopra was a newcastle understudy....only reason he didnt make it there cause he competing against Shearer...to me ...he givin jones competition and that is what keeping sunderland competitive in d forward line....
I get d feeling if Chopra was ah black man allyuh mighta big him up....but because he is neither black or trini....castigate him....right?

good call Naipaul.

BTW..anyone see Carlos "Cortina" Edwards today?  ::)

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:...congrats sunderland  :beermug:
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: dumpalewie on April 26, 2008, 09:12:29 PM
And I get the feeling you trying to pollute this thread with a smart man reverse racism. Who is allyuh? Did you even take your time to read the posts? There are more posts giving Chopra props here than the ones that doh rate him and I could tell yuh it have some black Trinis that give him props right here on this thread. By the way, you must be a millionaire by now with that technology you have that could ascertain a person race in an anonymous forum.

Filho...I like the way you like to use the word pollute...where I am making a general observation. There is nothing wrong with addressing what others would like to say but are sometimes passive about and shrug off. I feel this to be very pertinent ..Is like asking why arent there more players other than MOSTLY of African heritage in the TNT national team and how do we address it and why isnt affirmative action being implemented ?
You seem very intent on starting a race discussion today. Thank you very much for speaking for all the people who are to shy to express their views.

Actually, I think that this is your personal crutch. Pitifull!!!
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: AZZURRI on April 26, 2008, 09:13:30 PM
big up to kenwyne
but that game was reaaaaal ugly jed...
with the drama of the late goal and all..it was hard to watch that shit
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: rotatopoti3 on April 26, 2008, 09:34:13 PM
You seem very intent on starting a race discussion today. Thank you very much for speaking for all the people who are to shy to express their views.

Actually, I think that this is your personal crutch. Pitifull!!!

d truth hurts...dont it... ;D
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: AB.Trini on April 26, 2008, 10:50:25 PM
SING PRAISES SING PRAISES........

ALLYUH HELP MEH WITH THIS ONE NAH....

Black Superman- Kenwynne Superman Jones
Johnny Wakelin & The Kinshasa Band

This here's the story of  Kenwynne Jones
Who is known as   K.J.
He knows how to play and he knows how to jump
And all the opposition were out headed outa sight

Sing,  K.J. K.J.
He runs  like a gazelle and jumps  like a ……………
Kenwynne, the black superman
Who calls to the other guy out jump me if you can

Now all you football fans, you've got to agree
There ain't no players like   Kenwynne Jones
 

 

Sing, Kenwynne Jones Kenwynne Jones
He runs  like a gazelle and scores like a ……..
Black Superman- Kenwynne Superman Jones
Johnny Wakelin & The Kinshasa Band

This here's the story of  Kenwynne Jones
Who is known as   K.J.
He knows how to play and he knows how to jump
And all the opposition were out headed outa sight

Sing,  K.J. K.J.
He runs  like a gazelle and jumps  like a ……………
Kenwynne, the black superman
Who calls to the other guy out jump me if you can

Now all you football fans, you've got to agree
There ain't no players like   Kenwynne Jones
 

Sing, Kenwynne Jones Kenwynne Jones
He runs  like a gazelle and scores like a ……..
  Kenwynne Jones the black superman

TRY TO OUT JUMP HIM IF YOU CAN
 
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: kounty on April 26, 2008, 11:26:17 PM
I thin chopra had an even better game than KJ and that him and Jones work pretty good together.  compliment each other well.  The keeper pretty good too.  The 1st string defense decent, but they need better back ups...and the most glaring need is not another expensive striker.  It have to do with that long ball hoof brand they playing.
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: DeSoWa on April 27, 2008, 12:48:07 AM
The only thing i have against Chops is he need to learn how to use his left foot, he had 2 good chances that he let miss him because he opted to usehis right instead of his left when it was the better option. Apart from that, I think he made some good runs, even the one where he was called offside when he clearly was not...intelligent player I must say  :beermug:

I think KJ is getting tired, but he had a very good game today.

Big Up!
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: davidephraim on April 27, 2008, 01:06:51 AM
The only thing i have against Chops is he need to learn how to use his left foot, he had 2 good chances that he let miss him because he opted to usehis right instead of his left when it was the better option. Apart from that, I think he made some good runs, even the one where he was called offside when he clearly was not...intelligent player I must say  :beermug:

I think KJ is getting tired, but he had a very good game today.

Big Up!

very good observation about the choosing de right over de left when clearly de lft woul have done de job...
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: kev on April 27, 2008, 02:16:58 AM
it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..

to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..

that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..

there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.

I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.

I think your opinion on Chopra is reflective as much of an opinion on Chopra's ability, as it is of the type of player that you (and we Trinis in general) like...From what I've seen this season, Chopra is a very industrious player who can hit the net when he gets the chance. His strike rate might actually be better than Jones' (he's only scored 2 less than Jones, and I ain't the team statistician, but I think Jones has had alot more looks on goal than Chopra)....and the quality of his goals are actually better than Jones' ...so the gap in quality between the two (as strikers) isn't really that big.

Jones is way more of a central figure at Sunderland than Chopra, but Chopra's role in the team this season was significant as well in my opinion, and he showed some versatility being able to fill more than one position. I think if he didn't have the "hunch-back" lol...and he made his job like a little graceful, he might escape your criticism...Just my take based on the type of players that we Trinis enjoy watching....

I might get cuss for this, but I'm still not fully convinced that Jones is a quality "striker". I think he's a tremendous athlete, and a decent utility football player, and striker is just one of the positions where he can hold his own especially in a team that relies on a big man target to aim at up front.... Despite Jones' talismanic role at Sunderland this year, if Keano is trying to inject true quality through big spending this year in the hopes of builing a smooth running football team as opposed to the route one smash & grab that Sunderland played this year, I'm not sure if Jones is gonna be that big player that the team is built around, as he was this season.


kicker I have similar toughts on Kenwyn.

Before anybody gets defensive let me make it clear without Kenwyn I think we would of been dead and buried this season, and no doubt Kenwyn is very happy, because yeaterday would of been a fairly hefty payday for him and the rest of the lads as there will be a decent bonus for survival.

Kenwyn is a natural athelet, he's not a natural forward.  He has great potential but its up to him whether he realises or not.  Sunderland needed Kenwyn this season badly, but ironically Kenwyn's reputation has increased dramatically because sunderland have been playing to his strengths.  Kenwyn may of not looked so good in a better team, beacuse his movement, shooting and composure needs to improve.  If Sunderland attract better players then his style will need to change a bit, getting into positions facing the goal rather than back to goal, brining in other players in open play just not from set pieces.  This is not getting at Kenwyn, its because Sunderland as a team have left him by himself upfront so he has not shown this yet.  Its all about the team who he has around and what needs to change, as a forward he has a lot to learn, but he has great potential.

I would expect a lot of rumours in the summer about Kenwyn, its silly season and the vast majority of them will be rubbish, but I will be amazed if someone didn't put a bid in, whether the club will sell him is a different matter, as we all know everybody has their price.


Chopra is really a poacher, for the most part he has been used in midfield this season, because we haven't had the midfield we need.  He missed a couple of opportunities yesterday but for most of the season he hasn't been able to get into those position.  goals to chances( not shots) I think you will probably find he is the best at the club, so I wouldn't give up on him yet.  Whatever happens both have repaid their transfers fees. 

To get comfortable in the prem the club still needs to buy practically a full team if you take account of injuries and suspensions, defenders and midfield being a high priority
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: Filho on April 27, 2008, 06:40:58 AM
And I get the feeling you trying to pollute this thread with a smart man reverse racism. Who is allyuh? Did you even take your time to read the posts? There are more posts giving Chopra props here than the ones that doh rate him and I could tell yuh it have some black Trinis that give him props right here on this thread. By the way, you must be a millionaire by now with that technology you have that could ascertain a person race in an anonymous forum.

Filho...I like the way you like to use the word pollute...where I am making a general observation. There is nothing wrong with addressing what others would like to say but are sometimes passive about and shrug off. I feel this to be very pertinent ..Is like asking why arent there more players other than MOSTLY of African heritage in the TNT national team and how do we address it and why isnt affirmative action being implemented ?

There is nutten passive about me on dis site. Everybody well know that. I call a spade a spade and will always challenge racism and bias on this site, so doh come wit dis ole talk about you making an observation. There is no hint of racism in this thread. the example you gave is not remotely related to this topic. this is simply a discussion about whether a footballer is good or not.

What you've said is basically no different to if someone had rate Chopra, and I came here and said..oh, allyuh only like de man cuz he is ah half indian. That's pretty much what you did and it sounds foolish and misguided. There are many threads where I shake my head at some of people's comments, and I had to step up and say something. there are indeed posters who seem to assume that all Trinis are black and they could say what they want here about non-blacks. But I deal with that when and where it rise up, not in an innocuous thread where everyone making their points strictly on footballing terms. The stupidity of your so-called observation, is that I can count at least two black posters who not only said Chopra was good, but consider him a better natural forward than KJ. Imagine that...black trinis bigging up a half white/half indian, non-Trini player over a black trini who getting all the hype. Hoss...you need to first go and reevaluate you biased assumptions about black trinis. generalization makes you just like the people yuh have a problem with..only worse, cuz yuh claiming to know better.
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: redtrinigirl on April 27, 2008, 10:35:40 AM
Oh FFS fellas! This meant to be a thread bigging up Kenwyne on his performance today, and so by extension bigging up Sunderland on their win today.

Allyuh gone and turn it into another quarrelling session.  ::)
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: rippin on April 27, 2008, 12:18:04 PM
I go take some flak today too because I agree with some of the other posters. Chopra is more of a natural striiker than Jones. His movement off the ball found him in space where he had scoring or threatening opportunities. He has as much goals as Jones and he was playing on the wing. His finishing seems to be very good. I know Jones is supposed to hold  up the ball and bring other players into the game but after he does that he seems lost. His movement into spaces leaves something to be desired. Jones also threw away today. Big strikers supposed to convert that or at least force a parry that another team mate has a chance at.  In Jones' defense though he seemed a much better striker when he wasn't playing with his back to the goal.

Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: rippin on April 27, 2008, 12:24:51 PM
it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..

to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..

that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..

there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.

I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.

I think your opinion on Chopra is reflective as much of an opinion on Chopra's ability, as it is of the type of player that you (and we Trinis in general) like...From what I've seen this season, Chopra is a very industrious player who can hit the net when he gets the chance. His strike rate might actually be better than Jones' (he's only scored 2 less than Jones, and I ain't the team statistician, but I think Jones has had alot more looks on goal than Chopra)....and the quality of his goals are actually better than Jones' ...so the gap in quality between the two (as strikers) isn't really that big.

Jones is way more of a central figure at Sunderland than Chopra, but Chopra's role in the team this season was significant as well in my opinion, and he showed some versatility being able to fill more than one position. I think if he didn't have the "hunch-back" lol...and he made his job like a little graceful, he might escape your criticism...Just my take based on the type of players that we Trinis enjoy watching....

I might get cuss for this, but I'm still not fully convinced that Jones is a quality "striker". I think he's a tremendous athlete, and a decent utility football player, and striker is just one of the positions where he can hold his own especially in a team that relies on a big man target to aim at up front.... Despite Jones' talismanic role at Sunderland this year, if Keano is trying to inject true quality through big spending this year in the hopes of builing a smooth running football team as opposed to the route one smash & grab that Sunderland played this year, I'm not sure if Jones is gonna be that big player that the team is built around, as he was this season.

I agree totally.
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: andre samuel on April 27, 2008, 01:27:20 PM
Kicker and Kev...............two excellent posts.......i agree with you guys totally, especially Kev's post......you saved me the time to type that out!!

ah love it!!

Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: berris on April 27, 2008, 02:46:04 PM
ah fine allyuh blasted bias...fact is chopra was a newcastle understudy....only reason he didnt make it there cause he competing against Shearer...to me ...he givin jones competition and that is what keeping sunderland competitive in d forward line....
I get d feeling if Chopra was ah black man allyuh mighta big him up....but because he is neither black or trini....castigate him....right?


SHIT SHIT AND MORE FACKING SHIT ...CHOPRA IS AH GOAT regardless if he was black,white,chinee,trini,russian,swede,guyanese,brazilian,american,german,
pakistani,egyptian,martian,tobagonian,grenadian,hispanic,dutch..
.....STILL AH FACKING GOAT !!!
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: Fyzoman on April 27, 2008, 07:22:46 PM
big up to kenwyne
but that game was reaaaaal ugly jed...
with the drama of the late goal and all..it was hard to watch that shit


THANK YOU!!!

ah thought was me alone does be gritting meh teeth wid de kinda tata sunderland does be playing, i much rather see Kenwyne come off de bench for a big club than to watch friggin sunderland wid dis nonsense next year....oh, and i find chopra is ah shitsnake too!!!(even if he scored) So is Ivan Campos 1st and Andy Reid 2nd in the "Big-Boned" stakes?!?
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: AZZURRI on April 27, 2008, 08:06:54 PM
the only reason i watch Sunderland is cause we have trinis there....otherwise i gooodddddddd

and Sportsmax love to show some real tata games....bolton-fulham for example

that sunderland game was on par with a intercol game at a point...sad to say

but big up kenwyne...
i not gonna hope he go a big club and only come off the bench though...let him get as much playin time as possible
to go a Liverpool where they had real TALK of him goin, might be both good and bad....
good environment, experience to grow hopefully
but watch Crouch...he VERY underrated in my opinion and only warming bench even before Torres reach
that tough

Hope crouch go a side where he could start consistently once he eh turn into yorke and bullin a setta hoes with his keeper on camera! lol
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: Peong on April 27, 2008, 08:20:50 PM
Chopra's runs are much better than Jones, ah hope Jones could improve dat very soon.
KJ if yuh readin this go and find tapes of Crespo, Del Piero and Batistuta, dem men is de absolute tops with off-the-ball running.

Azzurri how yuh stray so far yuh start talkin about how well yuh want Crouch to do?
Yuh musbe mean Jones right.
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: kev on April 28, 2008, 01:03:50 AM
Fyzoman & AZZURRI

You wont get an arguement from me about the quality of the team, I though I had said as much with the above post.  The team is nothing better than a bottom 6 prem team.  I thought the game was entertaining, but the football on show was schoolboy stuff especially the defending.

As I have explained before, the club didn't have a pot to piss in 2 seasons ago and a more limited squad than now and nobody decent wanted to manage or play for the club, not nice but a fact of life.  Strangely enough that was part of the reson KJ ended up iat Sunderland because there was only interest from Derby and ourselves at the price being asked and Derby weren't that keen at the price. 

If Roy Keane stays and that will be down to what the club sees as a future with regard to transfers, I would expect there will be only 1 or 2 players left in the team in 2 years time from what you seen at the weekend.  Depending on who comes I suspect you will see a different style and hence the need for Kenwyn to improve his running off the ball, into the penalty area etc.  If the money is made available Roy Keane will leave, he only has 1 year left on his contract.

I understand you watch a team with trini's and I have no problem with that( there have been many occasions over the years that I wish I didn't have a reason to support them ;), its a big close season for the club and both Carlos & Kenwyn, it will be interesting to see how it pans out.
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: kev on April 28, 2008, 04:29:18 AM
After my reply this was published so make of it what you will.  I leave my thoughts until I start the Transfer Rumours Thread at the end of the season.  I have little doubt thak RK will leave if he doesn't feel the club matches his ambition, whether he will be given as much as he wants is a different matter,

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/safc/Keane-Time-to-splash-the.4025393.jp

Keane: Time to splash the cash
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Roy Keane plans to take Sunderland to a new level – and knows it will cost big money!
The Black Cats boss says squad strengthening is the ongoing priority. And having clinched Premier League survival, Keane is now looking to build, writes Graeme Anderson.

He is deadly serious about wanting to bring in top quality new players and has left no-one in doubt that his ambition for the club does not stop at keeping it in the top flight.He said: "We would like £60m or £70m to spend now.

"I know it keeps going up every week. It was £40m a while ago, then it was £50m. No wonder board have gone in to hiding!

"But my job is to make sure we're higher up the table next season. We want to challenge the likes of the teams just above us.

"Maybe we got too carried away last year with our expectations when we got promoted but it has been tough for us.

"We don't know what the future holds but I can't imagine we'll have the same decisions go against us or have the same injuries as we've had this time around. But then, if it does happen then we should have a stronger squad.

"To succeed at this level you need a big squad and we've certainly been short of that. But I've been very lucky. Everything I asked of Niall and the investors has been fulfilled.

"We've had to change our mindset on a lot of things and now, if we want to get to certain top players, then we have to look at our pay structure.

"If you want the very best players they want to know where their 50-60 thousand pounds a week is."
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: RasIred on April 28, 2008, 09:45:10 AM
I real glad for Kenwyne, he usually gives a good showing of himself and week in anw week out causes a lot of concen for opposing defenders. That is not to say he doesn't have alot to improve on.

Yes he is usually the lone striker for the Black Cat as such he has to choose his running options wisely. However , sometimes he has a tendency to remove himself from the game. When u are a "danger man" as he clearly is on the Sunderland team , you have to get accustom to "attention" from the opposition and not get frustrated easily. He has great pace, but sometimes he does not use it to his advantage.
 3 things to improve
1st touch, he over pushes alot and its due to his power and pace he can get away with it now
His trapping, sometimes I think he should be able to control the ball instead of flicking it on all the time, its like clockwork....his game is  getting a bit predictable
Some added dribbling skills woul be helpful

Just my two cents.....he is the best player they have and should assert himself just a bit more, but good 1st season thus far.
Title: Re: Kenwynne Superman Jones
Post by: truetrini on April 28, 2008, 10:00:29 AM
The fact Mr. Jones did was required of him and much more.  As the Lone Ranger up front, Tonto occasionally showed up and assisted.  He had his back to the goal a whole lot becasue he had no choice, he was a target man and had to look for the bal with his back to the goal myriad of times.

He can run at the goal and at defenders as was illustrated time and time again this season.  He is an athelete in a game that calls for athelitism.  He will do much better with a better mid field and with more acomplished players around him.

In the lower divisions he did exactly what he is criticized as not being good at doing now.  He can hold up the ball, he can take on defenders, he is an excellent arieal threat, has great pace and strength, and has the ability to strike the ball with either foot.  Best of all, he can score goals.

this season would have done much for his confidence and I expect him to fulfill the promise even more next year.

I remind all those who balked at his 6 mil move from Southampton with a " Kenwynne Who?" comment

He is Mr. Jones.
Title: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: chinee boi on June 01, 2008, 09:00:10 PM
Anyone know how badly KJ's injury was?  I real hope that it was nothing serious and that he would be ready for WCQ against Bermuda

Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: just cool on June 01, 2008, 09:32:46 PM
Anyone know how badly KJ's injury was?  I real hope that it was nothing serious and that he would be ready for WCQ against Bermuda


Not ah chance!!
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: weary1969 on June 01, 2008, 09:43:02 PM
Say a pray Dr. just cool lawd
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: ricky on June 01, 2008, 09:45:40 PM
if we need KJ to beat friggin Bermuda we really screwed
let him rest nah
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: TriniItalian on June 01, 2008, 09:52:48 PM
i heard he torn a ligament in his knee
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: weary1969 on June 01, 2008, 09:55:55 PM
Well brudder what d coach say bout 1+1 in futbol
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Grande on June 01, 2008, 10:07:14 PM
David James not supposed to get red carded fuh dat foul on KJ?

Really hoping for a complete 100% recovery on this one. Keep strong Kenwyne
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Jah Gol on June 01, 2008, 10:24:14 PM
That real hard boy. I just hope the man could be fit next season. Any time I see strap knee I does get frighten.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: weary1969 on June 01, 2008, 10:27:16 PM
D man eh get a card and after dat d joker wit d whistle give England d free kick
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Bakes on June 01, 2008, 10:46:50 PM
And to think ah man cuss me fuh saying KJ shouldn't play lest he risk further injury...

so now someone's supposed to explain the benefits of defeating england to you?  He's got a minor injury, chances are he wont sustain further damage taking part in the match. If he does and misses our first wcq match against a clearly inferior team, we'll still have more than enough quality to replace him.

Chances are you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.  Where did you get your medical degree from? How do you know that the chances are slim that he won't sustaing further damage...did you pull your head out your ass long enough to gaze into Ms. Cleo's crystal ball to derive that conclusion? 

Your position is foolish, plain and simple.  No matter how overmatched the following week's opponent might be on paper no one can say what the risk of injury would be.  Compared to the potential impact on the qualifying campaign if KJ is subsequently lost for multiple games the argument simply put, is a non-starter.

chances are youre a dumb literal f**k.. no one is saying play him if there is a big risk of further injury. Hes got the off season, its a minor wrist injury. so what if he broke a nail? you go be saying the same damn thing? dont risk his injury...you know what, youre right, beating england isnt worth it. nothing good can come from that....clown.

I guess now he have de whole off season to rehab not only his wrist...but his knee as well.


Get better soon KJ.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Jay10 on June 02, 2008, 12:29:50 AM
didnt see replays on tv yet...but from what it looked like, it was a clash of knees (i could be wrong)

and, he limped all the way across the stadium, and back onto the field when the game was over, so he could hav put some weight on it...so it may just be a bruised knee
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: just cool on June 02, 2008, 12:46:10 AM
didnt see replays on tv yet...but from what it looked like, it was a clash of knees (i could be wrong)

and, he limped all the way across the stadium, and back onto the field when the game was over, so he could hav put some weight on it...so it may just be a bruised knee
bredder ah hope yuh RIGHT.                                             positive.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Zeppo on June 02, 2008, 02:37:24 AM
On this Sunderland forum they say that it has been confirmed as ligament damage:

http://www.safc-world.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=4207
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: FLi ! on June 02, 2008, 05:03:47 AM
The BBC said it was "ligament damage"

To be honest, it was a 50/50 challenge. KJ in my opinion kinda stretch for it, leaving his leg explosed. Most other strikers would have pull out there, esp. in a friendly, but credit to his determination to score.

if James came just as hard, it was always going to end in injury for someone.

What I found VERY unprofessional, was how when he came off, Babwah allowed him try to walk around on his injured knee! I know KJ wanted to get back on the field real bad, but it's the job of the medical team to properly assess an injury to avoid further damage

Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Coop's on June 02, 2008, 05:39:50 AM
It have something called comon sense in this game and players have to know how and when to use it,in a game of this nature you can't take those kind of risks,when you risking yourself it must be for something.

David James eh fowl nobody it was 50/50 and both men went for the ball,is just that one wanted it more than the other,Kenwyne went in there half-way he must get hurt,look how England was playing, it had certain balls they was not even contesting,they was allowing T&T to make the mistakes,there was no cause to even exert themselves after they were two goals up.

Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: dumpalewie on June 02, 2008, 06:08:19 AM
The BBC said it was "ligament damage"

To be honest, it was a 50/50 challenge. KJ in my opinion kinda stretch for it, leaving his leg explosed. Most other strikers would have pull out there, esp. in a friendly, but credit to his determination to score.

if James came just as hard, it was always going to end in injury for someone.

What I found VERY unprofessional, was how when he came off, Babwah allowed him try to walk around on his injured knee! I know KJ wanted to get back on the field real bad, but it's the job of the medical team to properly assess an injury to avoid further damage


Nothing unprofessional there.....that is part of the examination to determine the extent of the injury.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Bourbon on June 02, 2008, 07:21:12 AM
Hear nah...i watching over the game and i see how that knee twist. I hope it eh too serious....
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: WestCoast on June 02, 2008, 07:22:04 AM
Get well QUICKLY KJ
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: dinho on June 02, 2008, 07:25:16 AM
what i want to know was what that cellophane wrap on the knee was supposed to accomplish..

Must be some modern marvel of medical science i never heard of before.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: WestCoast on June 02, 2008, 07:30:11 AM
what i want to know was what that cellophane wrap on the knee was supposed to accomplish..

Must be some modern marvel of medical science i never heard of before.
could it be to restrict the movement of the knee?
just guessing....did not see that
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Weh-it-is on June 02, 2008, 07:36:57 AM
That is the same thing that happened to me two years ago...resulted in reconstructive knee surgery for my ACL. The good thing about it is after the surgery and rehab I scored one of the best goal in my whole entire life playing the game. Lord help him Father.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: boss on June 02, 2008, 07:49:32 AM
Premier League - Sunderland sweat on Jones knock
Eurosport - Mon, 02 Jun 13:37:00 2008

Sunderland have been left to sweat on the fitness of Kenwyne Jones after the Trinidad and Tobago striker suffered suspected knee ligament damage in a friendly against England.

(http://d.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com//ng/sp/eurosport/20080602/25/f40611ca72ef2e19b8f301aa3df1c366.jpg)

The 23-year-old was involved in a collision with England keeper David James after just seven minutes of the game in Port of Spain and was unable to take any further part in the match at the Hasely Crawford Stadium.

T&T officials confirmed after the game that Jones had suffered damage to his right knee. He will now undergo a scan to determine the full extent of the injury.

The news comes as a blow to Black Cats boss Roy Keane, who will be hoping the diagnosis is serious enough to prevent him from starting pre-season training with Sunderland on July 11.

Keane was thought to be unhappy about Jones's involvement in the game in the first place as the striker had only just recovered from a fractured wrist he suffered in Sunderland's final game of last season against Arsenal.

England ran out comfortable 3-0 winners in the Caribbean, Gareth Barry and Jermain Defoe (2) getting the goals.

Mike Hytner / Eurosport
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Weh-it-is on June 02, 2008, 07:59:53 AM
Well another sad thing is the technology and the medical staff, not available to diagnose such injuries at a moment notice...like they do for professionals athletes in other countries. They were rapping his knee with plastic rap/bag on the side line yesterday...terrible treatment for a pro athlete.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Dinner Mints on June 02, 2008, 08:06:02 AM
People in foreign getting news before we: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=329964

Apparently the injury is not as bad as first thought.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Rastaman on June 02, 2008, 08:42:19 AM
It really didn't look too bad to me. Got the feeling that RK was on the phone telling Jackular
not to put him back on  ;D
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Flex on June 02, 2008, 11:26:20 AM
Jones to undergo MRI scan.
TTFF Media.

     
Striker Kenwyne Jones will undergo an MRI scan on Monday to determine the extent of his knee injury sustained in a clash with England  goalkeeper David James in the first half of Sunday's 3-0 defeat to England.

Jones was stretchered off after the challenge and then spent the rest of the half in the dressing room after initially trying to see if he could made a return after just leaving the pitch. But no chances were taken and the T&T medics will know more of the suspected knee ligament damage on Monday. He has already been ruled out of Saturdays friendly against Jamaica.

Southampton striker Stern John who also went off injured in the second half with leg injury is not expected to be seriously affected and will remain in the squad depending on how things go over the next twenty-four hours.  The T&T team will resume training on Tuesday at the Ato Boldon Stadium.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Babalawo on June 02, 2008, 11:31:14 AM
Jones to undergo MRI scan.
TTFF Media.

     
Striker Kenwyne Jones will undergo an MRI scan on Monday to determine the extent of his knee injury sustained in a clash with England  goalkeeper David James in the first half of Sunday's 3-0 defeat to England.

Jones was stretchered off after the challenge and then spent the rest of the half in the dressing room after initially trying to see if he could made a return after just leaving the pitch. But no chances were taken and the T&T medics will know more of the suspected knee ligament damage on Monday. He has already been ruled out of Saturdays friendly against Jamaica.

Southampton striker Stern John who also went off injured in the second half with leg injury is not expected to be seriously affected and will remain in the squad depending on how things go over the next twenty-four hours.  The T&T team will resume training on Tuesday at the Ato Boldon Stadium.

damn. i wanted him to show the jakans who's the best player in the caribbean now
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Trini on June 02, 2008, 01:53:10 PM
somebody say Scottie?
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: weary1969 on June 02, 2008, 02:01:32 PM
When will we c d big picture let dem from JA watch tapes of Sunderland plus all d brits done c he ah ready. D big pic gyuls and gyuals is Bermuda Sun June 15th lawdddddddd if we eh get it how d rest of d waggonist go get itttttttt
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: SUPA on June 02, 2008, 02:24:52 PM
if we need KJ to beat friggin Bermuda we really screwed
let him rest nah

 :applause: Well said sah  :beermug:. Get well soon KJ, nuff blessings my brother. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: ironman on June 02, 2008, 02:31:05 PM
When I look at some comments I does get scared!
Well another sad thing is the technology and the medical staff, not available to diagnose such injuries at a moment notice...like they do for professionals athletes in other countries. They were rapping his knee with plastic rap/bag on the side line yesterday...terrible treatment for a pro athlete.

What exactly does happen in other countries?Ice,constrictive device (Plastic possibly) to limit/localise internal bleeding or a robot fixing the knee one time?
How far is de place behind de stadium does do MRI and thing 2 hrs 5 hrs?
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: weary1969 on June 02, 2008, 03:13:06 PM
Next door but it was close tight tight. U tink d JWFF after 100 yrs would ah make sure d place was open in case d remote possibility dat in d contact sport name futbol it may need a MRI. After all is 100 yrs
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Trini _2022 on June 02, 2008, 06:06:57 PM
how long can jone be out.. I think we should ship him back to sunder land and call him back for the WCQ group of 4
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Weh-it-is on June 02, 2008, 07:04:27 PM
When I look at some comments I does get scared!
Well another sad thing is the technology and the medical staff, not available to diagnose such injuries at a moment notice...like they do for professionals athletes in other countries. They were rapping his knee with plastic rap/bag on the side line yesterday...terrible treatment for a pro athlete.

What exactly does happen in other countries?Ice,constrictive device (Plastic possibly) to limit/localise internal bleeding or a robot fixing the knee one time?
How far is de place behind de stadium does do MRI and thing 2 hrs 5 hrs?
Ironman doh get scared. Do you look at NBA basketball games in the US; or maybe pro football, or even soccer in places like England etc? They take care of the players, having the necessary medical instruments at the venue to deal with the pro’s right away.  It was a comment base on not having a proper diagnose of the player injury within the same hour for us fans to know what’s going on…like that was a problem or you just feel like breezing yuh breath?
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: just cool on June 02, 2008, 08:35:59 PM
When I look at some comments I does get scared!
Well another sad thing is the technology and the medical staff, not available to diagnose such injuries at a moment notice...like they do for professionals athletes in other countries. They were rapping his knee with plastic rap/bag on the side line yesterday...terrible treatment for a pro athlete.

What exactly does happen in other countries?Ice,constrictive device (Plastic possibly) to limit/localise internal bleeding or a robot fixing the knee one time?
How far is de place behind de stadium does do MRI and thing 2 hrs 5 hrs?
Ironman doh get scared. Do you look at NBA basketball games in the US; or maybe pro football, or even soccer in places like England etc? They take care of the players, having the necessary medical instruments at the venue to deal with the pro’s right away.  It was a comment base on not having a proper diagnose of the player injury within the same hour for us fans to know what’s going on…like that was a problem or you just feel like breezing yuh breath?
Yes breds that's true , but yuh missing one piece of the puzzle,  marketing. our population is way to small for sports to be marketable. the U.S., england, france ect. have huge populations that could sustain those types of facilities BC of sponsorship and TV rites and the whole 10 yards.


 our population is way to small to have a marketable sporting industry, that's why the ttff have to rely mainly on government subsidy, BC they cant make money like the english F.A. or any other hugely populated country for that matter.

 even though the football is our main sport and we have great talent on the island, we still are unable to provide all the luxuries that are common in developed countries.

 lets just draw on a scenario hypothetically, if the whole of trinidad used to come out in their # to watch our local leagues and supported it with their money and time, it still would not be marketable enough to afford and maintain such facilities.

 sponsorship would not benefit that much from the sport except for tax write offs, but as far as huge profit margins, they would suffer BC of the lack of prospective costumers. there's no comparison between us and the more developed sporting countries.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: weary1969 on June 02, 2008, 08:54:48 PM
Me agre wit 2010 TTT say he gettin d best care 1 name eh have meh convince Noreiga. So KJ pack yuh bags and head back 2 Sunderland General Hospital I eh want 2 c u at POSGH 
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Midknight on June 03, 2008, 06:29:04 AM
And to think ah man cuss me fuh saying KJ shouldn't play lest he risk further injury...

Amazing how certain men gone quiet eh?
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: dinho on June 03, 2008, 07:46:07 AM
And to think ah man cuss me fuh saying KJ shouldn't play lest he risk further injury...

Amazing how certain men gone quiet eh?

with all due respect, the original contention was he shouldn't play in case of further injury to the wrist..

the unrelated knee injury he suffered on sunday couldve happened at any time regardless.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Jefferz on June 03, 2008, 07:53:43 AM
And to think ah man cuss me fuh saying KJ shouldn't play lest he risk further injury...

Amazing how certain men gone quiet eh?

with all due respect, the original contention was he shouldn't play in case of further injury to the wrist..

the unrelated knee injury he suffered on sunday couldve happened at any time regardless.


exactly, if KJ woulda collect ah jump kick tuh face, yuh woulda tell them, "told yuh so"  ?


how was anyone to know that would happen?
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Dinner Mints on June 03, 2008, 08:23:05 AM
And to think ah man cuss me fuh saying KJ shouldn't play lest he risk further injury...

Amazing how certain men gone quiet eh?

with all due respect, the original contention was he shouldn't play in case of further injury to the wrist..

the unrelated knee injury he suffered on sunday couldve happened at any time regardless.
The debate wasn't really about injury, though. The debate was about the relative importance of the matches.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Midknight on June 03, 2008, 08:24:27 AM
And to think ah man cuss me fuh saying KJ shouldn't play lest he risk further injury...

Amazing how certain men gone quiet eh?

with all due respect, the original contention was he shouldn't play in case of further injury to the wrist..

the unrelated knee injury he suffered on sunday couldve happened at any time regardless.
exactly, if KJ woulda collect ah jump kick tuh face, yuh woulda tell them, "told yuh so"  ?
how was anyone to know that would happen?

I may not be a doctor, but I know enough to know that the knee bone is not connected to the wrist bone and I certainly wasn't saying that the two injuries were related. Just reflecting on the irony of ths situation. Take it how you read it.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Midknight on June 03, 2008, 08:25:17 AM
The debate wasn't really about injury, though. The debate was about the relative importance of the matches.

Thanks for putting the goalposts back where they were in the first place
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: dinho on June 03, 2008, 08:31:56 AM
Allyuh trying to be spin doctors?

Midknight re-read the quote you responded to. Do you not clearly see further injury or is it that he was carrying a knee injury into the England game?

The debate wasn't really about injury, though. The debate was about the relative importance of the matches.

doh try that DrySo. The debate was about the relative importance of the matches yes, but it only arose because of the debate about whether his wrist injury was worth the risk.

Him injuring his knee does not exonerate anybody's point.

Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Dinner Mints on June 03, 2008, 08:46:52 AM
Allyuh trying to be spin doctors?

Midknight re-read the quote you responded to. Do you not clearly see further injury or is it that he was carrying a knee injury into the England game?

The debate wasn't really about injury, though. The debate was about the relative importance of the matches.

doh try that DrySo. The debate was about the relative importance of the matches yes, but it only arose because of the debate about whether his wrist injury was worth the risk.

Him injuring his knee does not exonerate anybody's point.


The debate arose because of the injury but it wasn't about the injury. Because nobody knew how serious the injury was. All we were saying was if there was any doubt, he should sit out the England game because the Bermuda game was more important.

Man say dat is madness. He could tie his hand behind his back or stick it in his waistband. He a strong black youth who does heal like magic and he must play. Because England vs TT is de most important game in sports history and everybody getting contracts.

Everybody involved say, if it safe, then he should play. The argument wasn't bout that at all. It was about the importance of the match.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: dinho on June 03, 2008, 08:53:14 AM
agreed.

but men running back in after the fact to say, "yuh see de same thing ah was saying. men quiet now boy."

that to me is inapplicable.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: just cool on June 03, 2008, 09:56:38 AM
Damn allyuh could bicker. point is , what the diagnosis on kenwyne, and how long would he be out for. BTW what is the diagnosis ?
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Bakes on June 03, 2008, 10:49:24 AM
And to think ah man cuss me fuh saying KJ shouldn't play lest he risk further injury...

Amazing how certain men gone quiet eh?

with all due respect, the original contention was he shouldn't play in case of further injury to the wrist..

the unrelated knee injury he suffered on sunday couldve happened at any time regardless.
The debate wasn't really about injury, though. The debate was about the relative importance of the matches.

...and the prospect of getting injured and not being available for the qualifier.

As I specifically stated in the other thread when you weigh the benefits to be reaped from KJ playing, versus the potential negative consequences it was a no-brainer (my exact words).  This argument developed particularly in light of the Scotland snub...we had many other options besides KJ. 
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: superoli on June 03, 2008, 10:54:15 AM
anybody here thinking about what he wanted ?

We saw him just before he flew out and the man was real excited and wanted to play bad. He is a big man and once medically fit he could decide if he want to play or not.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Filho on June 03, 2008, 02:46:10 PM
hadda agree fully with Omar. the argument was not about the importance of the match...but the relative importance of the match, in the context of an existing injury that could have been made worse by playing in it. bringing the topic back up after KJ injured his knee not really making sense. they are not related. if he re-injured the wrist in an innocuous challenge and had to miss the Bermuda game..that would have been relevant. but noone was saying he should be rested to avoid injury...otherwise we shoulda be talking about resting the entire first team. The whole discussion was how much at risk the wrist was of being reinjured in the England game and was the game important enough to take that risk.

By the way..for some reason i can't read the first page of this thread..what is the extent of the injury?
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Midknight on June 03, 2008, 02:51:54 PM
Alyuh read it however alyuh want. Dis ent worth it.

All I know is that England game done, Beckham and Co get they little caribbean cruise and a vague promise of help for the WC in 2018, Jack counting he money, KJ injured and we have a WCQ in less than 2 weeks.

The rest is just ole talk.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Filho on June 03, 2008, 04:08:25 PM
Alyuh read it however alyuh want. Dis ent worth it.

All I know is that England game done, Beckham and Co get they little caribbean cruise and a vague promise of help for the WC in 2018, Jack counting he money, KJ injured and we have a WCQ in less than 2 weeks.

The rest is just ole talk.

true dat. but do u know the extent of the injury. for some reason my work blocking the first page of this discussion
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: andre samuel on June 03, 2008, 04:19:03 PM
The purpose of this thread is to get Kenwyne's status......

What is his status?

48 hours after his injury, what is going on with him??
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Bakes on June 03, 2008, 04:25:06 PM
hadda agree fully with Omar. the argument was not about the importance of the match...but the relative importance of the match, in the context of an existing injury that could have been made worse by playing in it. bringing the topic back up after KJ injured his knee not really making sense. they are not related. if he re-injured the wrist in an innocuous challenge and had to miss the Bermuda game..that would have been relevant. but noone was saying he should be rested to avoid injury...otherwise we shoulda be talking about resting the entire first team. The whole discussion was how much at risk the wrist was of being reinjured in the England game and was the game important enough to take that risk.

By the way..for some reason i can't read the first page of this thread..what is the extent of the injury?

With all due respect you probably need to go read the discussion again (if you haven't already done so), it's provided for you in the post I quoted on the first page.  The debate was about playing KJ in a game that was essentially meaningless, given that he already had and existing injury, and given the risk of aggravating that injury...as well as given the overall risk of injury to him.  The discussion was not about any other player but KJ...so it was limited to him and his overall circumstances.  The discussion was centered on the fact that it was not important to play HIM.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Filho on June 03, 2008, 04:32:22 PM
hadda agree fully with Omar. the argument was not about the importance of the match...but the relative importance of the match, in the context of an existing injury that could have been made worse by playing in it. bringing the topic back up after KJ injured his knee not really making sense. they are not related. if he re-injured the wrist in an innocuous challenge and had to miss the Bermuda game..that would have been relevant. but noone was saying he should be rested to avoid injury...otherwise we shoulda be talking about resting the entire first team. The whole discussion was how much at risk the wrist was of being reinjured in the England game and was the game important enough to take that risk.

By the way..for some reason i can't read the first page of this thread..what is the extent of the injury?

With all due respect you probably need to go read the discussion again (if you haven't already done so), it's provided for you in the post I quoted on the first page.  The debate was about playing KJ in a game that was essentially meaningless, given that he already had and existing injury, and given the risk of aggravating that injury...as well as given the overall risk of injury to him.  The discussion was not about any other player but KJ...so it was limited to him and his overall circumstances.  The discussion was centered on the fact that it was not important to play HIM.

agreed. where did I say the discussionwas about anyone but KJ? i think we saying the exact same thing, except in my case and others in that same discussion, i never considered the risk of any other injury. he coulda injure his knee in training..that doh mean he shouldn't train. I think the game was relatively unimportant compared to the Bermuda game, but very important in terms of preparation. In my view..if fit and risk to EXISTING injury was low..he should play. Otherwise..avoid the risk and allow him more time to heal and save him for the big match.

anyhow..we all take different views on the topic I guess. In our case, the difference was relatively subtle.

i guess noone knows how bad the injury is
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: dumpalewie on June 03, 2008, 04:37:30 PM
Well another sad thing is the technology and the medical staff, not available to diagnose such injuries at a moment notice...like they do for professionals athletes in other countries. They were rapping his knee with plastic rap/bag on the side line yesterday...terrible treatment for a pro athlete.
You don't know what you are talking about.

No injury gets "Diagnosed" at a moment's notice. The function of the on field doctor is to determine the extent of the injury, i.e. can the player continue. The next step involves a full exam and secondary studies, e.g. Xrays, MRI etc. All of these elements need to be executed before a "Diagnosis" is made. The exception to the rule is like in Eduardo's injury where the damage is visible to the naked eye.

The cellophane wrap is actually used by most pro teams to wrap ice onto an area. The advantage is that it retains the water from dripping everywhere as the ice melts.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Bakes on June 03, 2008, 07:05:34 PM
agreed. where did I say the discussionwas about anyone but KJ? i think we saying the exact same thing, except in my case and others in that same discussion, i never considered the risk of any other injury. he coulda injure his knee in training..that doh mean he shouldn't train. I think the game was relatively unimportant compared to the Bermuda game, but very important in terms of preparation. In my view..if fit and risk to EXISTING injury was low..he should play. Otherwise..avoid the risk and allow him more time to heal and save him for the big match.

anyhow..we all take different views on the topic I guess. In our case, the difference was relatively subtle.

i guess noone knows how bad the injury is

Filho...maybe I'm misreading your position but this is what you said...

Quote
but noone was saying he should be rested to avoid injury...otherwise we shoulda be talking about resting the entire first team.

We don't have a first team or second/third team at this point...but marquee players coming off a full-season of play and carrying an injury into that England game wasn't really adding up as I saw it.  Do I feel vindicated...or "exonerated" (as ah next man call it, lol). No.  It sucks either way that KJ picked up an injury and is now lost for at least the start of qualifying.  Had prudence prevailed and Kenwyne was made to sit out this game...well, we wouldn't be having this discussion now, would we?

For the record...I'm not sure that they've released further info as of yet.  Hopefully we'll learn something of the MRI tomorrow.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: weary1969 on June 03, 2008, 07:29:47 PM
Goin back 2 Sunderland on saturday so no POSGH, SFGH or Mt. Hopeless
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: just cool on June 03, 2008, 08:31:01 PM
Goin back 2 Sunderland on saturday so no POSGH, SFGH or Mt. Hopeless
weary please tell me what's the diagnosis if you know since no body can't tell meh.                         positive.
Title: Jones goes back to Sunderland for treatment
Post by: E-man on June 03, 2008, 08:38:32 PM
Jones goes back to Sunderland for treatment
By: Gregory Trujillo (Guardian).


IT IS quite unlikely that Sunderland star Kenwyne Jones will recover in time to represent T&T in the first World Cup qualifier against Bermuda on June 15 in T&T.

T&T team doctor, Terrance Babwah confirmed yesterday that results of the MRI scan showed a ligament injury to the right knee of the 23-year-old lanky striker.

Rather than undergoing treatment here, Jones will be returning immediately to Sunderland Dr Babwah revealed.

“Kenwyne will be on his way back to Sunderland for the club’s knee surgeon to look at the injury,” stated Babwah.

“How long he would be out will be determined by what the doctors at Sunderland say,” Babwah added. “They (the doctors) will either do rehabilitation or go inside his knee.

“Everything is totally dependent on the surgeons who will be seeing him.

“After that, anything else would depend on the Sunderland management with regards to when he returns to play for the Soca Warriors.

Jones injured his knee when he was flattened by England goalkeeper David James in his first touch of the ball in the sixth minute of the friendly international match-up on Sunday at Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo.

(http://www.guardian.co.tt/jones%20and%20dennisjpg.jpg)
T&T’s striker Kenwyne Jones with his heavily bandaged right knee in conversation with defender Dennis Lawrence. Photo: Anthony Harris
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: weary1969 on June 03, 2008, 08:42:55 PM
Thank u Eman let us all pray dat he eh have 2 go under d knife
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: E-man on June 03, 2008, 09:16:02 PM
Cats' medical team want Jones back on Wearside
The Northern Echo


KENWYNE Jones will fly back to Sunderland within the next 24 hours after an initial scan on his injured knee proved inconclusive.

Monday's tests revealed ligament damage in Jones' right knee, but the extent of the problem will not be known until the swelling in the area has subsided sufficiently.

Therefore, Jones has been instructed to return to Wearside so that Sunderland's medical staff can carry out their own tests and begin treatment accordingly.

The Black Cats striker is expected to fly out of Trinidad later this evening, and it is hoped that a further series of scans can be conducted by Friday at the latest.

That would allow treatment to begin to at the start of next week and, provided the problem relates to Jones' medial ligaments rather than his cruciates, there is still a chance that he could be available for the start of the Premier League season.

If a second round of tests reveal cruciate damage, however, Jones could be sidelined for significantly longer.

"An MRI scan was carried out on Monday, and further observation was done on Tuesday morning," said Trinidad & Tobago FA spokesman Shaun Fuentes. "There are signs of ligament damage, but Kenwyne will be flying back to Sunderland for further observation and treatment this week."

Jones' team-mate, Carlos Edwards, will remain in Trinidad to play in the Soca Warriors' forthcoming World Cup qualifiers against Jamaica and Bermuda.

Meanwhile, New Zealand rugby union coach Graham Henry has spoken of his admiration for Roy Keane as the Black Cats boss spends a week monitoring the All Blacks' preparations ahead of this month's two-Test series with England.

Keane travelled to New Zealand as part of his UEFA Pro Licence course after New Zealand and Wellington Phoenix coach Ricki Herbert, who is also studying for a Pro Licence, arranged for the duo to link up with the most famous side in world rugby.

Keane attended a New Zealand training session yesterday, and Henry has revealed that the All Blacks' players have been grilling the Irishman about his own experiences as both a player and manager.

"He has been great to talk to, very bubbly," said Henry. "Richie (All Blacks captain Richie McCaw) had lunch with him (yesterday). I don't think they chatted about leadership at all, but they chatted about their experiences.

"Roy has a few of those which are good to listen to, and it's good to have a guy of his esteem in the group that we can share some experiences with.

"Everybody knows him and respects him for what he has done in sport and it's great that he chose to be here with the All Blacks as part of the requirements for his final coaching certificate in football."

Former Sunderland striker Andrew Cole has been in talks with Championship side Norwich City.

Cole, who was released after making just eight appearances for the Black Cats last season, spoke to former Newcastle boss Glenn Roeder after turning down an opportunity to join Burnley.

Sunderland have announced a third pre-season friendly in the Republic of Ireland. The Black Cats will face Keane's former club, Cobh Ramblers, on Monday, July 28.

Keane played for Ramblers, who gained promotion to the Eircom League of Ireland Premier Division last season, before joining Nottingham Forest in 1990.

Next month's friendly will be played at Turner's Cross, the home of Cork City (ko 7.30pm), and ticket details will be released shortly.

Sunderland will also travel to Ireland to play Athlone Town (August 7) and Shamrock Rovers (August 9) during this summer's pre-season schedule.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: weary1969 on June 03, 2008, 09:32:26 PM
Let us all pray dat d man could run out 4 Sunderland lawd pressure 4 d yute
Title: Re: Jones goes back to Sunderland for treatment
Post by: just cool on June 03, 2008, 10:24:20 PM
Jones goes back to Sunderland for treatment
By: Gregory Trujillo (Guardian).


IT IS quite unlikely that Sunderland star Kenwyne Jones will recover in time to represent T&T in the first World Cup qualifier against Bermuda on June 15 in T&T.

T&T team doctor, Terrance Babwah confirmed yesterday that results of the MRI scan showed a ligament injury to the right knee of the 23-year-old lanky striker.

Rather than undergoing treatment here, Jones will be returning immediately to Sunderland Dr Babwah revealed.

“Kenwyne will be on his way back to Sunderland for the club’s knee surgeon to look at the injury,” stated Babwah.

“How long he would be out will be determined by what the doctors at Sunderland say,” Babwah added. “They (the doctors) will either do rehabilitation or go inside his knee.

“Everything is totally dependent on the surgeons who will be seeing him.

“After that, anything else would depend on the Sunderland management with regards to when he returns to play for the Soca Warriors.

Jones injured his knee when he was flattened by England goalkeeper David James in his first touch of the ball in the sixth minute of the friendly international match-up on Sunday at Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo.

(http://www.guardian.co.tt/jones%20and%20dennisjpg.jpg)
T&T’s striker Kenwyne Jones with his heavily bandaged right knee in conversation with defender Dennis Lawrence. Photo: Anthony Harris
For a minuite i thought kenwyne was whitley yes. is now roy go play all kinda games with sending him back to play for qualifying.  when does the semifinal round starts ?
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Filho on June 03, 2008, 10:30:54 PM

Filho...maybe I'm misreading your position but this is what you said...

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but noone was saying he should be rested to avoid injury...otherwise we shoulda be talking about resting the entire first team.

We don't have a first team or second/third team at this point...but marquee players coming off a full-season of play and carrying an injury into that England game wasn't really adding up as I saw it.  Do I feel vindicated...or "exonerated" (as ah next man call it, lol). No.  It sucks either way that KJ picked up an injury and is now lost for at least the start of qualifying.  Had prudence prevailed and Kenwyne was made to sit out this game...well, we wouldn't be having this discussion now, would we?

For the record...I'm not sure that they've released further info as of yet.  Hopefully we'll learn something of the MRI tomorrow.

Bakes, like you, I was only ever talking about KJ. My belief was that the conversation was based purely on the context of him having an existing injury. I think it is clear that within the conversation different people were making different arguments for resting KJ. In the sentence you highlight..I used the word shoulda. As in, if the conversation was actually just about resting KJ from a meaningless game, then we shoulda be talking about resting Carlos, Talles, Stern, Whitley and anyone else who is a sure starter (that is what I meant by 1st 11...maybe I should have said sure starters). so, no..i wasn't talking about anyone else either..just a hypothetical statement to make a point....

next question..since when Talles come out of retirement? breds..I on this site every day and only reading bout Lawrence in the lineup and wondering if is Big Den dey talking bout... ??? how I miss dat
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: weary1969 on June 03, 2008, 10:31:56 PM
Aug 20 A Sep 6 H

Sep 10 A Oct 11 A

Then d book eh make sense

Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Bakes on June 03, 2008, 10:54:53 PM

next question..since when Talles come out of retirement? breds..I on this site every day and only reading bout Lawrence in the lineup and wondering if is Big Den dey talking bout... ??? how I miss dat

Yuh know dat's true... now that you mentioned it I think I'd read that he had retired from Int'l play as well... and yet here he was w/o any fanfare or announcement.  As well it should be...but yeah, dat one kinda slipped in under the radar.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: D.H.W on June 04, 2008, 12:23:45 PM
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=330257

alyuh read this all kinda madness yes
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Tallman on June 04, 2008, 02:01:15 PM

next question..since when Talles come out of retirement? breds..I on this site every day and only reading bout Lawrence in the lineup and wondering if is Big Den dey talking bout... ??? how I miss dat

Yuh know dat's true... now that you mentioned it I think I'd read that he had retired from Int'l play as well... and yet here he was w/o any fanfare or announcement.  As well it should be...but yeah, dat one kinda slipped in under the radar.

He was recalled since March: http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=34369.0
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Bakes on June 04, 2008, 03:08:51 PM

next question..since when Talles come out of retirement? breds..I on this site every day and only reading bout Lawrence in the lineup and wondering if is Big Den dey talking bout... ??? how I miss dat

Yuh know dat's true... now that you mentioned it I think I'd read that he had retired from Int'l play as well... and yet here he was w/o any fanfare or announcement.  As well it should be...but yeah, dat one kinda slipped in under the radar.

He was recalled since March: http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=34369.0

Oh...okay, completely missed that, thanks.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Filho on June 04, 2008, 03:47:46 PM

next question..since when Talles come out of retirement? breds..I on this site every day and only reading bout Lawrence in the lineup and wondering if is Big Den dey talking bout... ??? how I miss dat

Yuh know dat's true... now that you mentioned it I think I'd read that he had retired from Int'l play as well... and yet here he was w/o any fanfare or announcement.  As well it should be...but yeah, dat one kinda slipped in under the radar.

He was recalled since March: http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=34369.0

Oh...okay, completely missed that, thanks.

Missed it too...But a recall to the squad eh really explain how he come out of retirement quiet quiet so. When Talles say he done, meh belly hurt meh. One of our best defenders leave de scene and he have real years in him. So I figure when he come back it woulda be big big news.

Say wha'..glad he back
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Touches on June 06, 2008, 12:08:40 PM
Anybody get any word on his injury?

SOme men on sunderland site predicting gloom and doom...other say is a small ting he good and nuttin wrong.

Wais d real scene with him.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: dinho on June 06, 2008, 12:14:24 PM
i see some men on the Sunderland forum saying is cruciate ligament and he out for the whole of next season, and guffing up dey chest about getting that from a bess source...

i get worried at first, cause you know how dem fellas was on point about the Carlos injury..

But if it was really cruciate, no way he coulda be standing up smiling and laughing after the game with his knee bandage up (in spite of the miraculous healing powers of the cellophane wrap).

I find though that it worrying that we cyah get some definite news as yet.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: E-man on June 06, 2008, 12:15:34 PM
Anybody get any word on his injury?

SOme men on sunderland site predicting gloom and doom...other say is a small ting he good and nuttin wrong.

Wais d real scene with him.


He's not due for further tests until tomorrow (http://www.newsday.co.tt/sport/0,80270.html) so we'll have to wait a bit more.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: chinee boi on June 06, 2008, 12:16:13 PM
i see some men on the Sunderland forum saying is cruciate ligament and he out for the whole of next season, and guffing up dey chest about getting that from a bess source...

i get worried at first, cause you know how dem fellas was on point about the Carlos injury..

But if it was really cruciate, no way he coulda be standing up smiling and laughing after the game with his knee bandage up (in spite of the miraculous healing powers of the cellophane wrap).

I find though that it worrying that we cyah get some definite news as yet.

man I pray for yuh KJ that it is a minor injury and everything is good
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: ann3boys on June 06, 2008, 03:04:14 PM
hold up with the panic- I believe he's not getting to Sunderland until Saturday. is it saturday in England already? ;D
let us just wait and see...
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: kev on June 06, 2008, 03:58:03 PM
hold up with the panic- I believe he's not getting to Sunderland until Saturday. is it saturday in England already? ;D
let us just wait and see...

I am sure I read somewhere about someone else that had a similar injury that flying for a long time without giving it time to settle a bit could make the injury worse.  Everybody like to brag they know whats going on but the truth wont be known until next week when the tests are done hopefully with the swelling down so they can get a decent idea whats up.

I hope to God its not cruciate because that is real trouble and a long time, if it is I wonder if T&TFA will be paying his wages next season, or has Jakula got that one covered aswell?
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Midknight on June 06, 2008, 05:54:53 PM
Missed it too...But a recall to the squad eh really explain how he come out of retirement quiet quiet so.

Tallest retirement was always implicitly linked to the blacklist. Remember he was selected for the Gold Cup and pulled out, and then announced his retirement afterwards. Logic suggests that the "lifting" of the blacklist was his sign to come back.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Filho on June 06, 2008, 07:01:18 PM
Missed it too...But a recall to the squad eh really explain how he come out of retirement quiet quiet so.

Tallest retirement was always implicitly linked to the blacklist. Remember he was selected for the Gold Cup and pulled out, and then announced his retirement afterwards. Logic suggests that the "lifting" of the blacklist was his sign to come back.

i figured that might be the case. but like you say..de blacklist get "lifted". I sure Talles realize some men still on the outs, so I had my doubts that could be his reason. plus, you figured he'd make a lil announcement anyway.

so was de scene wid KJ. dis is a real mystery injury oui.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: dinho on June 07, 2008, 07:51:38 PM
now for those who watched the Switzerland v Czech game today, they would have seen the injury that Frei suffered from an innocuous looking challenge. They would have seen him limp off on the sidelines and walk off in tears knowing it was a knee injury that would rule him out of the tournament.

but this report here now have me really worried, since I didnt think it was possible to walk or limp on a ruptured cruciate. So now I'm really worried about KJ.



Swiss hit by Frei injury concern

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/euro_2008/switzerland/7370946.stm

Switzerland coach Koebi Kuhn believes captain Alexander Frei could have cruciate ligament damage, which would end his Euro 2008 participation.


The striker picked up the knee injury just before half-time during their 1-0 defeat by Czech Republic.

"It is a shock, a disaster to lose our captain in the first game - I can only hope it is not too serious," said Kuhn.

"He's in hospital and they will look at the test results. Perhaps it is a

rupture of his cruciate ligament."


Frei is Switzerland's all-time leading scorer with 35 goals.

Meanwhile, Kuhn said his team should be proud of their display, despite losing their tournament opener.

The home side were undone by a second-half strike from Vaclav Sverkos.

"I told them they can leave the stadium with their heads held high," stated Kuhn, who will step down as coach at the end of the tournament.

Petr Cech admits his side had some luck against the Swiss

"Now we have to forget about this game and concentrate on the next match, against Turkey."

Kuhn added: "Our chances of going through have certainly not increased but we still believe.

"Everything is still possible and we are not going to give up. We must build on what we did here today.

"We had the chances to at least have drawn the match and we could easily have won it but that is football, it is not about justice. This game is over for us now but not the Euros."
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: dumpalewie on June 07, 2008, 09:08:03 PM
now for those who watched the Switzerland v Czech game today, they would have seen the injury that Frei suffered from an innocuous looking challenge. They would have seen him limp off on the sidelines and walk off in tears knowing it was a knee injury that would rule him out of the tournament.

but this report here now have me really worried, since I didnt think it was possible to walk or limp on a ruptured cruciate. So now I'm really worried about KJ.



Swiss hit by Frei injury concern

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/euro_2008/switzerland/7370946.stm

Switzerland coach Koebi Kuhn believes captain Alexander Frei could have cruciate ligament damage, which would end his Euro 2008 participation.


The striker picked up the knee injury just before half-time during their 1-0 defeat by Czech Republic.

"It is a shock, a disaster to lose our captain in the first game - I can only hope it is not too serious," said Kuhn.

"He's in hospital and they will look at the test results. Perhaps it is a

rupture of his cruciate ligament."


Frei is Switzerland's all-time leading scorer with 35 goals.

Meanwhile, Kuhn said his team should be proud of their display, despite losing their tournament opener.

The home side were undone by a second-half strike from Vaclav Sverkos.

"I told them they can leave the stadium with their heads held high," stated Kuhn, who will step down as coach at the end of the tournament.

Petr Cech admits his side had some luck against the Swiss

"Now we have to forget about this game and concentrate on the next match, against Turkey."

Kuhn added: "Our chances of going through have certainly not increased but we still believe.

"Everything is still possible and we are not going to give up. We must build on what we did here today.

"We had the chances to at least have drawn the match and we could easily have won it but that is football, it is not about justice. This game is over for us now but not the Euros."
Remember Marvin Andrews!!!!

It is concievable not only to walk but also to play with a ruptured ACL.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Bakes on June 09, 2008, 11:27:26 AM
Dog was de first man cross my mind...but I decide to just leave it alone.
Title: Re: KJ status???
Post by: Weh-it-is on June 09, 2008, 09:02:26 PM
Well another sad thing is the technology and the medical staff, not available to diagnose such injuries at a moment notice...like they do for professionals athletes in other countries. They were rapping his knee with plastic rap/bag on the side line yesterday...terrible treatment for a pro athlete.
You don't know what you are talking about.

No injury gets "Diagnosed" at a moment's notice. The function of the on field doctor is to determine the extent of the injury, i.e. can the player continue. The next step involves a full exam and secondary studies, e.g. Xrays, MRI etc. All of these elements need to be executed before a "Diagnosis" is made. The exception to the rule is like in Eduardo's injury where the damage is visible to the naked eye.

The cellophane wrap is actually used by most pro teams to wrap ice onto an area. The advantage is that it retains the water from dripping everywhere as the ice melts.

Thank you for the comment Dr. Diagnosed. So when will Mr. Jones be ready to play again...can you please give us an update?  ??? Yuh gladess; you hold on to one word "diagnosed" and run with it like ah clown. Thank you for the definition of the word “Diagnosis” Sir. You missing my point, but you is thee Doctor. 
Title: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: just cool on February 06, 2011, 09:02:10 PM
I really like this kid, god honest i really do. but this fella seem like he's ready to go back to the championship, BC for the past three yrs i've seen him in the prem, the fella plays well in the first three months of the season matching goal tally with the best of them, but come 2nd half of the season and the boy does break down like an old morris/austin cambridge.

for the past four games i've been watching KJ and i have to say this kid is playing like he's contented playing for struggling mid table teams.

the man playing like he's already made it, played for the best clubs and have silver wear and meddles in his cabinet from EPL, champions league and FA/ carling cup together and just killin time @ stoke waiting to retire.

if KJ have any ambitions of playing in ah better team set up, then he needs to step up his games and attract attention from big clubs where he could make good money and play with teammates who could bring out his true potential and raise his stock, or else he would be just another benjani or marlon hearwood.

this is what i hate about our players (with the exception of yoke), they does start hot and sweaty, and as soon as their name call twice too often, then they does adopt ah lackadaisical stride (as to say, i made it) instead of pushing further for greatness. just look @ tevez, pavlyuchenko or even carlton cole, them men does run like they playing for their freedom.

KJ needs to take a page from pavlyuchenko and his work rate.



PS:KJ yuh done know ah love yuh bredder, and in no wise trying to malign yuh, but yuh need tuh get wicked and bad minded wid the football bro, you could do it, yuhs ah star fella, and stars does shine big and bright! i have confidence in yuh!  get it done son!
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: g on February 06, 2011, 09:35:19 PM
who is morris austin cambridge  ???

Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: just cool on February 06, 2011, 09:39:47 PM
who is morris austin cambridge  ???


It'a an old make of car that was prevalent in T&T in the colonial and post colonial era, they broke down a lot, i think it's ah british product.

here take ah look.  http://www.classic-austin-morris.oldclassiccar.co.uk/photo_austin_cambridge.htm
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: g on February 06, 2011, 09:41:20 PM
who is morris austin cambridge  ???


It'a an old make of car that was prevalent in T&T in the colonial and post colonial era, they broke down a lot, i think it's ah british product.

here take ah look.  http://www.classic-austin-morris.oldclassiccar.co.uk/photo_austin_cambridge.htm

an apt description indeed
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: theworm2345 on February 06, 2011, 10:36:43 PM
The Stoke fans are starting to turn on him as well.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: injunchile on February 06, 2011, 10:38:49 PM
I want to agreewith Just Cool. His former Coach did say that he was too laid back and added something about the Caribbean mentality.
 Kj has thje  ability of making height that few possess as wel as his physicality to run pass defence players but is not using it to the max. A friend of mine who likes him said it is basically laziness.
 I think he believes that he has arrived and that middle of the table teams likeSstokes should be happy to have him.
 Thje Good is often the enemy of the Best.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Socapro on February 06, 2011, 11:11:03 PM
The TTFF did not help by giving KJ T&T player of the year award and making him feel he already reach despite the fact that he's hasn't kicked a ball or scored a goal for T&T in years!

Maybe KJ is just happy to get paid and is killing time until he's ready to retire! Maybe he feels he has nothing more to prove right now as he's T&T players of the year. So none of his other Stoke team-mates can walk in his shoes and boast of winning such an award from their country!!
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on February 06, 2011, 11:31:52 PM
who is morris austin cambridge


I wuz goin tuh say KJ iz like ah Cortina..and Yorke wuz like ah Royal Saloon

Jason Scotland iz like ah Kingswood

Carlos Edwards does wuk like ah 280C

Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Bakes on February 06, 2011, 11:58:56 PM
If as Dreamer claims, KJ really said that he doh care what we here on SW.net/WN.com have to say and wants nothing to do with us... why are we even bothering?
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Peong on February 07, 2011, 12:03:58 AM
Carew take over the big target man role and looks a lot more active than KJ in the same role.
KJ's effort is deficient.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: kev on February 07, 2011, 01:55:11 AM
JC I have watched Kenwyne with interest, I don't even think the Stoke fans have yet seen what he is capable of, like the 1st 6 months at Sunderland.  He scored earlier on in the season but really wasn't involved much in the matches (the one's I seen anyway). 

He is one of the most frustrating players I have ever seen, you see players waste their talents because of drink, gambling, too much money too young etc., but Kenwyne doesn't seem the type to do this.  I thought for a while that he was far too comfortable at Sunderland and needed competition for his place, which never arrived, I also thought he would have a good 6 months or so then would see what he form was like then, but apart from a very few glimpses its not really improved that much from what I have seen.  As you say I think he is suffering from arrivatitis, possibily being spoilt at Sunderland. 

I think thats why some fans turned against him, because they knew what he was capable of and just never seen it often enough, hence the tag of being lazy or just not arsed.  The Stoke fans haven't been happy with him for a good while now.  Stoke play a system which involves big players that can jump, he is Pulis's wet dream and thats why Stoke bought him, it was no major surprise when they sold 2 footballers last week. 

There is nothing more fickle than football fans and a couple of goals will see him lorded again by them, but it will take a lot more than that for a manager of a good side to take a chance on him.  I don't think Bruce handled him at all well and made it very obvious early on, but by the same token Kenwyne didn't/isn't helping himself either.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: just cool on February 07, 2011, 02:25:58 AM
If as Dreamer claims, KJ really said that he doh care what we here on SW.net/WN.com have to say and wants nothing to do with us... why are we even bothering?
Well lets examine that statement, dreamer claimed. first off , dreamer has to produce proof, and if KJ really did say that, who's to say that he meant it.

and if he did say it and it sound like he meant it, still don't mean he did, the fact that he knows who the SWMB is, means that he visits and knows what we stand for, and it's hard to believe that he said that BC it sounds illogical since we venerate and support our boys to a fault, so KJ have to be ah staring mad man to make such an ungratefull statement.

i have tuh hear it from his own mouth to believe it, or maybe his god father coop could shed some light on that statement.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Bakes on February 07, 2011, 02:34:36 AM
If as Dreamer claims, KJ really said that he doh care what we here on SW.net/WN.com have to say and wants nothing to do with us... why are we even bothering?
Well lets examine that statement, dreamer claimed. first off , dreamer has to produce proof, and if KJ really did say that, who's to say that he meant it.

and if he did say it and it sound like he meant it, still don't mean he did, the fact that he knows who the SWMB is, means that he visits and knows what we stand for, and it's hard to believe that he said that BC it sounds illogical since we venerate and support our boys to a fault, so KJ have to be ah staring mad man to make such an ungratefully statement.

i have tuh hear it from his own mouth to believe it, or maybe his god father coop could shed some light on that statement.

Dreamer doesn't have to prove a hypothetical.  The rest of what you say sounds like fan-boy rationalization.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: just cool on February 07, 2011, 02:48:05 AM
If as Dreamer claims, KJ really said that he doh care what we here on SW.net/WN.com have to say and wants nothing to do with us... why are we even bothering?
Well lets examine that statement, dreamer claimed. first off , dreamer has to produce proof, and if KJ really did say that, who's to say that he meant it.

and if he did say it and it sound like he meant it, still don't mean he did, the fact that he knows who the SWMB is, means that he visits and knows what we stand for, and it's hard to believe that he said that BC it sounds illogical since we venerate and support our boys to a fault, so KJ have to be ah staring mad man to make such an ungratefully statement.

i have tuh hear it from his own mouth to believe it, or maybe his god father coop could shed some light on that statement.

Dreamer doesn't have to prove a hypothetical.  The rest of what you say sounds like fan-boy rationalization.
So what you saying, dreamer made ah supposition about KJ and i have tuh go wid dat? how fackin absurd.

as for being a fan , yes i am, and so are you , to be up 345 in the mornin talking football is some serious fanzone shyte  ;D, which is the way it should be if yuh passionate about something, but i must say, i'm not ah blind follower/ fan.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: just cool on February 07, 2011, 03:04:25 AM
JC I have watched Kenwyne with interest, I don't even think the Stoke fans have yet seen what he is capable of, like the 1st 6 months at Sunderland.  He scored earlier on in the season but really wasn't involved much in the matches (the one's I seen anyway). 

He is one of the most frustrating players I have ever seen, you see players waste their talents because of drink, gambling, too much money too young etc., but Kenwyne doesn't seem the type to do this.  I thought for a while that he was far too comfortable at Sunderland and needed competition for his place, which never arrived, I also thought he would have a good 6 months or so then would see what he form was like then, but apart from a very few glimpses its not really improved that much from what I have seen.  As you say I think he is suffering from arrivatitis, possibily being spoilt at Sunderland. 

I think thats why some fans turned against him, because they knew what he was capable of and just never seen it often enough, hence the tag of being lazy or just not arsed.  The Stoke fans haven't been happy with him for a good while now.  Stoke play a system which involves big players that can jump, he is Pulis's wet dream and thats why Stoke bought him, it was no major surprise when they sold 2 footballers last week. 

There is nothing more fickle than football fans and a couple of goals will see him lorded again by them, but it will take a lot more than that for a manager of a good side to take a chance on him.  I don't think Bruce handled him at all well and made it very obvious early on, but by the same token Kenwyne didn't/isn't helping himself either.
Kev this is what i'm afraid of. i've noticed that stoke city was the only team in for him in the summer transfer window, and in this past transfer no one came calling, i'm afraid the cats out the bag and his stocks has plummeted considerably.

he needs to revive his career, it's been a long time since KJ scored for our national team, fellas like kerry baptiste and darryl roberts (two of our national teams forwards who will kill to be in KJ's shoes) are far more hungry and deserving of a call up for our national squad BC they have out performed and scored more vital goals than kenwyne.

KJ better take heed and stop lallygagging, or else he may find himself right back in the championship or on some struggling newly promoted team earning less paper.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Bakes on February 07, 2011, 03:20:25 AM
So what you saying, dreamer made ah supposition about KJ and i have tuh go wid dat? how fackin absurd.

I deliberately started with "if"... that makes it a hypothetical.  Don't need proof for a hypothetical.

Had I said "Dreamer says... so why should we even bother", then that would be a different issue.

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as for being a fan , yes i am, and so are you , to be up 345 in the mornin talking football is some serious fanzone shyte  ;D, which is the way it should be if yuh passionate about something, but i must say, i'm not ah blind follower/ fan.

I up cuz I have a deadline to meet in a couple weeks... and posting only to break the routine.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: just cool on February 07, 2011, 03:47:56 AM
So what you saying, dreamer made ah supposition about KJ and i have tuh go wid dat? how fackin absurd.

I deliberately started with "if"... that makes it a hypothetical.  Don't need proof for a hypothetical.

Had I said "Dreamer says... so why should we even bother", then that would be a different issue.

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as for being a fan , yes i am, and so are you , to be up 345 in the mornin talking football is some serious fanzone shyte  ;D, which is the way it should be if yuh passionate about something, but i must say, i'm not ah blind follower/ fan.

I up cuz I have a deadline to meet in a couple weeks... and posting only to break the routine.
Yuh notice the grinin smiley thingy @ the end of the statement? that signifies that i'm puttin ah lil humor in the thing, i know yuhs ah lawyer bro, and i guess it's the reason for being up late, i figur that much. 

just humoring friend.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: kev on February 07, 2011, 04:44:41 AM
JC I have watched Kenwyne with interest, I don't even think the Stoke fans have yet seen what he is capable of, like the 1st 6 months at Sunderland.  He scored earlier on in the season but really wasn't involved much in the matches (the one's I seen anyway). 

He is one of the most frustrating players I have ever seen, you see players waste their talents because of drink, gambling, too much money too young etc., but Kenwyne doesn't seem the type to do this.  I thought for a while that he was far too comfortable at Sunderland and needed competition for his place, which never arrived, I also thought he would have a good 6 months or so then would see what he form was like then, but apart from a very few glimpses its not really improved that much from what I have seen.  As you say I think he is suffering from arrivatitis, possibily being spoilt at Sunderland. 

I think thats why some fans turned against him, because they knew what he was capable of and just never seen it often enough, hence the tag of being lazy or just not arsed.  The Stoke fans haven't been happy with him for a good while now.  Stoke play a system which involves big players that can jump, he is Pulis's wet dream and thats why Stoke bought him, it was no major surprise when they sold 2 footballers last week. 

There is nothing more fickle than football fans and a couple of goals will see him lorded again by them, but it will take a lot more than that for a manager of a good side to take a chance on him.  I don't think Bruce handled him at all well and made it very obvious early on, but by the same token Kenwyne didn't/isn't helping himself either.
Kev this is what i'm afraid of. i've noticed that stoke city was the only team in for him in the summer transfer window, and in this past transfer no one came calling, i'm afraid the cats out the bag and his stocks has plummeted considerably.

he needs to revive his career, it's been a long time since KJ scored for our national team, fellas like kerry baptiste and darryl roberts (two of our national teams forwards who will kill to be in KJ's shoes) are far more hungry and deserving of a call up for our national squad BC they have out performed and scored more vital goals than kenwyne.

KJ better take heed and stop lallygagging, or else he may find himself right back in the prem or on some struggling newly promoted team earning less paper.

I haven't a clue what the deal was but I know Pulis made a big thing at the time of how Sunderland cut the deal so they effectively paid the difference in wages that Stoke are paying him, as to what he was being paid at Sunderland, more than a fair few comments on here about it aswell. 

I can't help wonder how he sees that himself, mentally.  Did he just shrug his shoulders and think hey great I've been paid for nowt, does he now think he has took a backwards step because he is being paid less (even though he has been paid the difference already), does it just not bother him. He has made enough to see him right for the rest of his life so is he just not bothered anymore.

The summer is going to be an interesting time for him, given Stoke tried to buy Ba (on the cheap) and whether Pulis is going to get in more competition for him.  There is a shortage of the types Pulis likes so maybe he will struggle, but he is not one to take any prisoners if get on the wrong side of him.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Feliziano on February 07, 2011, 05:39:32 AM
bout Firebrand's quote..yes Kenwyne did say that bout SW.net & WN
had bout a 10 of us or so at the hotel after the Nashville game

so as someone say why even bother bout him if thats his attitude
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Ngozi on February 07, 2011, 07:51:10 AM
Is so funny people say to get the best out of KJ yuh have to send him to a good team and all that shyte.
Stoke have two very good wingers who serves him the balls he needs .. he simply looks uninterested and lethargic ..... it's nothing about the man talent or the system or anything like that ... it is all about the man's desire and hence his atitude.

Carew is  his size but no where near as athletic but his desire is there for all to see because he has something to prove. I understand the man has had some personal issues (but shit everybody got problems) but at the end of the day this is his job. If I go to work (personal issues or not) and not doing what they pay me to do.. I will get walked out!

KJ is getting incredibly close to me rating him as I do Torres as one of the most overrated players around ... they'll have to put him on the bench soon and I'd have to say "he really made a great effort to get there".
I wouldn't even call him back for the national team.. I don't see the reason ... I'd go with Kerry Baptiste.

Let me give you my definition of irony ... Kerry Baptiste is one of the most hard working players I see in T&T and they played him on the wings where he did well but didn't really get foreign pro opportunities, they converted him to striker and found out that he has some serious finishing ability and his chances to even get a trial are coming when he is aged 29 and, he is still working his ass off whereas Mr. KJ was converted from a defvender to a striker based on natural athleticism and size where he has NOT been a hit, he has shown poor work ethic yet he is playing in the premier league and is being given chance after chance after chance and is f**king it up, no desire.

The work ethic I used to love about this kid is now non existent (do you guys remember this kid vs paraguay in the world cup? he came on and amazed me).
I'm not here to bring down a man because of opportunity but to blow an opportunity like this when others are working so hard to even get the chance to get so much less just f**ks with my mind all day ... that to me is unforgiveable!
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Sando on February 07, 2011, 08:09:05 AM
The last time I said it, people got mad.

The thing is, people blame Stoke, Sunderland, who ever... and yet the other strikers their are scoring every game, Bent was among the EPL top goal scorer two years in a row... and I know some of the goals the other strikers score were off KJ, but when its reverse why isn't KJ taking advantage of the opportunity as well ?

He's not even starting anymore with Carew there now, who will be flying our flag in the UK now, eh Palos, yuh hiding ....  8)
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Jah Gol on February 07, 2011, 08:18:08 AM
Jones is just not a prolific goal scorer at that level.I'm not trying to denigrate him. He's probably good enough to get 10 goals a season or 20 in a lower division. In national colours he's never distinguished himself as a goalscorer either. Maybe he's not a striker.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: giggsy11 on February 07, 2011, 08:25:19 AM
Dude is a loofer! During the match on Saturday Stokes had a break and instead of bussin a gut to be a target in the area for a cross or pass, dude was joggin forward like he didn't want to receive the ball for a play. Seen he do that a few times which is why I was surprise when I read that he was considered one of the fastest in the league. When did he ever turn the burners on to be considered one of the fastest? I think sometimes he doesn't put him self in positions to receive the ball because he may not want the responsibility of having to make a play with the ball. Players find ways to hide on the feild when they don't want to receive the ball in positive areas.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: maxg on February 07, 2011, 08:34:37 AM
I will say this for the last time..and this is not just in my opinion...The average fan, has no idea what any knee or any joint injury does to the performance of any type of elite athlete, especially if that athlete is expected to perform at the top levels of his sport....Your capacity to train diminishes greatly, and so your capacity to achieve. If you try too hard at either, you hurt and cannot perform at all..i.e. not somebody hurt you, which everyone see game day, you hurt yourself..A totally healthy individual, even if he was the best soccer player in the world, can hurt themselves with overtraining, many stars have been diminished, if not extinguished with way less, but FANS want to see a man from a career ending injury running, who wasn't even near those levels of accomplishment, running like he want to be the next pele... Hard for fans to get real, as far as their own personal favs and teams are concerned, but real students of sport, should know better...ref: Stern John, Ronaldo... Could write more, but i will be repeating myself, and delving into hypotheticals..
My opinion now, I just happy he could even have a job, and possibly gain some experience that we may be able to tap, when or if, we could get him back to Trinidad...
Fans could say what they want, they paying for that...carry on
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Touches on February 07, 2011, 08:53:12 AM
Me ent know but I watch the Sunderland game and I find he was looking good.

He was trapping cleaner, held up the ball well and won every header in the air.

I find Kenwyne improving.

All he have to do is score a goal or two and all will be well.

Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: weary1969 on February 07, 2011, 09:07:10 AM
Jones is just not a prolific goal scorer at that level.I'm not trying to denigrate him. He's probably good enough to get 10 goals a season or 20 in a lower division. In national colours he's never distinguished himself as a goalscorer either. Maybe he's not a striker.

IZ NOT AND WILL NEVA B A STRIKER. As 4 not caring bout we y should he. Is his mind he doin his best and we eh blieve him. So y go through hoops 2 satisfy us. People will neva b satisfied do what u have 2 do.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Ngozi on February 07, 2011, 09:51:14 AM
Jones is just not a prolific goal scorer at that level.I'm not trying to denigrate him. He's probably good enough to get 10 goals a season or 20 in a lower division. In national colours he's never distinguished himself as a goalscorer either. Maybe he's not a striker.

IZ NOT AND WILL NEVA B A STRIKER. As 4 not caring bout we y should he. Is his mind he doin his best and we eh blieve him. So y go through hoops 2 satisfy us. People will neva b satisfied do what u have 2 do.

All we asking of him is to do what he have to do ... and he aint!
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: weary1969 on February 07, 2011, 10:03:08 AM
Jones is just not a prolific goal scorer at that level.I'm not trying to denigrate him. He's probably good enough to get 10 goals a season or 20 in a lower division. In national colours he's never distinguished himself as a goalscorer either. Maybe he's not a striker.

IZ NOT AND WILL NEVA B A STRIKER. As 4 not caring bout we y should he. Is his mind he doin his best and we eh blieve him. So y go through hoops 2 satisfy us. People will neva b satisfied do what u have 2 do.

All we asking of him is to do what he have to do ... and he aint!

In his mind he doin he best is just that u eh blieve iz he best. All I know KJ get injured in dat fete match v England in May and in Nov he come bck 2 play 4 we dat is some level of loyalty. He did not have 2 return in dat came. So we may not b happy wit his output but 2 say dem fellas eh care  me eh blieve dat. We use 2 say d same ting bout DY.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Bakes on February 07, 2011, 10:07:58 AM
Yuh notice the grinin smiley thingy @ the end of the statement? that signifies that i'm puttin ah lil humor in the thing, i know yuhs ah lawyer bro, and i guess it's the reason for being up late, i figur that much. 

just humoring friend.

Nah I know yuh not on anything... I was probably too tired and distracted to put smileys.


As for Kenwyn... I only saw the last 25 mins of the Sunderland game, but I thought he fought well.  I still think he doesn't work as hard as he should... and what really makes it glaring is that a high work rate is a necessity in the English game, so when everyone else around you in the frame running and you jogging it magnifies the (lack of) effort.  Now I'm not advocating running for the hell of it, or even for show, but you already know the stereotype that's out there about Caribbean ballers... a little more effort would go a long way.  Take Fuller for instance, say what you want about him but even if he have to give a dotish foul every now and then Fuller will ride your ass if you come anywhere close with the ball at your feet.

Anyways, whether he gives a shit about us or not I still wish the fella well.

bout Firebrand's quote..yes Kenwyne did say that bout SW.net & WN
had bout a 10 of us or so at the hotel after the Nashville game

so as someone say why even bother bout him if thats his attitude

Oh it was Firebrand who said it?  My bad (apologies to Dreamer)... really disappointing to hear.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: FireBrand on February 07, 2011, 10:18:04 AM
JC (and Bakes) I was the one who posted the comment Jones made regarding SW.net/WN, and as Feliz stated there were about 10 forumites present that heard him... including Tallman. About six months prior to that encounter with Jones I sent him three emails requesting an interview for the fans on the Website, but all those emails went unanswered. When I met up with him in Nashville and asked him about the interview and my emails, that is when he voiced his displeasure (with an expression of disgust) for the Club/Websites.  

Now any T&T footballer who we have interviewed or corresponded with (including yuh boy Darryl Roberts ;D) could attest that our interaction with them is always professional, so it was kind of a shock to me and the forumites present that he responded in such a manner. I don't know Kenwyne personally or have anything against him (apart from the frustration we all feel in watching him play), but my honest impression of him that night was that of an arrogant footballer who did not give a crap about the fans.  If yuh still eh choose to believe that then that's yuh prerogative bro...I could only call it as I saw it.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Ngozi on February 07, 2011, 10:25:00 AM
Yuh notice the grinin smiley thingy @ the end of the statement? that signifies that i'm puttin ah lil humor in the thing, i know yuhs ah lawyer bro, and i guess it's the reason for being up late, i figur that much. 

just humoring friend.

Nah I know yuh not on anything... I was probably too tired and distracted to put smileys.


As for Kenwyn... I only saw the last 25 mins of the Sunderland game, but I thought he fought well.  I still think he doesn't work as hard as he should... and what really makes it glaring is that a high work rate is a necessity in the English game, so when everyone else around you in the frame running and you jogging it magnifies the (lack of) effort.  Now I'm not advocating running for the hell of it, or even for show, but you already know the stereotype that's out there about Caribbean ballers... a little more effort would go a long way.  Take Fuller for instance, say what you want about him but even if he have to give a dotish foul every now and then Fuller will ride your ass if you come anywhere close with the ball at your feet.

Anyways, whether he gives a shit about us or not I still wish the fella well.

bout Firebrand's quote..yes Kenwyne did say that bout SW.net & WN
had bout a 10 of us or so at the hotel after the Nashville game

so as someone say why even bother bout him if thats his attitude

Oh it was Firebrand who said it?  My bad (apologies to Dreamer)... really disappointing to hear.

Hammer on the head!
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Coop's on February 07, 2011, 10:27:11 AM
I've always said KJ is his own worst enemy,what ever he is going through or what ever he has become is only himself he has to blame,may be he was a boy when he left here but he has grown,i see peeps blaming TTFF etc for his demise or what ever you all want to call it,if there is anybody to point fingers at it must be us because we are the ones who put him on top there,compared him with Drogba,Rooney etc so what he reach,now what?KJ has been slipping for the longest while and peeps keep making excuses for him.
I know how all of us feel about KJ and wishes him nothing more than success but is only so much we can do,it's a big load to carry when club and country depends on you and then have to deal with every day life,a lot of us are speculating we don't know what's going on with the guy so don't jump to conclusions,putting him down will not help.PS...i myself don't know.    
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: maxg on February 07, 2011, 11:18:06 AM
JC (and Bakes) I was the one who posted the comment Jones made regarding SW.net/WN, and as Feliz stated there were about 10 forumites present that heard him... including Tallman. About six months prior to that encounter with Jones I sent him three emails requesting an interview for the fans on the Website, but all those emails went unanswered. When I met up with him in Nashville and asked him about the interview and my emails, that is when he voiced his displeasure (with an expression of disgust) for the Club/Websites.  

Now any T&T footballer who we have interviewed or corresponded with (including yuh boy Darryl Roberts ;D) could attest that our interaction with them is always professional, so it was kind of a shock to me and the forumites present that he responded in such a manner. I don't know Kenwyne personally or have anything against him (apart from the frustration we all feel in watching him play), but my honest impression of him that night was that of a arrogant footballer who did not give a crap about the fans.  If yuh still eh choose to believe that then that's yuh prerogative bro...I could only call it as I saw it.
:rotfl: :rotfl: Like I care if KJ, Rooney, or Messi is ah fan of the site or not...I just supporting they football, KJ because he is trini, not because he's ah Messi, and I iz really ah real fan ah allyuh...with all dem millions, I go quicker and preferably exchange brews with practically anyone who does post here, even the one's i disagree with...I backin KJ, buh like allyuh an penty ting TT - not all tings TT, me not shame to say...KJ an friends and others (dem) could back and like who they want... ;D
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Coach on February 07, 2011, 11:46:56 AM
If KJ plays with a better team, one that will create better quality scoring chances for strikers you will probably see him bang in more goals.

KJ has some good qualities as a striker, but if he is not given quality balls regularly during a game it will be hard for him to increase his scoring rate.

His one weakness as a striker is to dribble past a defender in a 1v1 situation, if he can add a "step-over" move to his game he will be way more effective and will score more goals since he got the pace, but this has a better chance of reality if he plays with a good team that can open up this space for him to run at defenders.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: kicker on February 07, 2011, 12:38:43 PM
Me ent know but I watch the Sunderland game and I find he was looking good.

He was trapping cleaner, held up the ball well and won every header in the air.

I find Kenwyne improving.

All he have to do is score a goal or two and all will be well.

I agree with this.  This season his ball playing qualities have improved.  He's not a lethal striker- never was.  He's the "big man" up top, and to me he does his job well. 
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: FireBrand on February 07, 2011, 12:55:00 PM
JC (and Bakes) I was the one who posted the comment Jones made regarding SW.net/WN, and as Feliz stated there were about 10 forumites present that heard him... including Tallman. About six months prior to that encounter with Jones I sent him three emails requesting an interview for the fans on the Website, but all those emails went unanswered. When I met up with him in Nashville and asked him about the interview and my emails, that is when he voiced his displeasure (with an expression of disgust) for the Club/Websites.  

Now any T&T footballer who we have interviewed or corresponded with (including yuh boy Darryl Roberts ;D) could attest that our interaction with them is always professional, so it was kind of a shock to me and the forumites present that he responded in such a manner. I don't know Kenwyne personally or have anything against him (apart from the frustration we all feel in watching him play), but my honest impression of him that night was that of a arrogant footballer who did not give a crap about the fans.  If yuh still eh choose to believe that then that's yuh prerogative bro...I could only call it as I saw it.
:rotfl: :rotfl: Like I care if KJ, Rooney, or Messi is ah fan of the site or not...I just supporting they football, KJ because he is trini, not because he's ah Messi, and I iz really ah real fan ah allyuh...with all dem millions, I go quicker and preferably exchange brews with practically anyone who does post here, even the one's i disagree with...I backin KJ, buh like allyuh an penty ting TT - not all tings TT, me not shame to say...KJ an friends and others (dem) could back and like who they want... ;D

Excuse me if I did not respond accordingly (because I honestly did not get the majority of what yuh type)...but what scene u on breds? You see me type anything about wanting Jones to be a fan of the Site?  All I did was ask the man for an interview and he said he wanted nothing to do with us. And if yuh check my initial post in the latest Trinis in Action thread you would see that it was posted in response to Just Cool's post where he was hoping Jones would be reading his message. Like yuh say (or ah think yuh say),  KJ could back and like who he wants and I certainly was not arguing otherwise. Now on to other things.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: maxg on February 07, 2011, 01:53:45 PM
JC (and Bakes) I was the one who posted the comment Jones made regarding SW.net/WN, and as Feliz stated there were about 10 forumites present that heard him... including Tallman. About six months prior to that encounter with Jones I sent him three emails requesting an interview for the fans on the Website, but all those emails went unanswered. When I met up with him in Nashville and asked him about the interview and my emails, that is when he voiced his displeasure (with an expression of disgust) for the Club/Websites.  

Now any T&T footballer who we have interviewed or corresponded with (including yuh boy Darryl Roberts ;D) could attest that our interaction with them is always professional, so it was kind of a shock to me and the forumites present that he responded in such a manner. I don't know Kenwyne personally or have anything against him (apart from the frustration we all feel in watching him play), but my honest impression of him that night was that of a arrogant footballer who did not give a crap about the fans.  If yuh still eh choose to believe that then that's yuh prerogative bro...I could only call it as I saw it.
:rotfl: :rotfl: Like I care if KJ, Rooney, or Messi is ah fan of the site or not...I just supporting they football, KJ because he is trini, not because he's ah Messi, and I iz really ah real fan ah allyuh...with all dem millions, I go quicker and preferably exchange brews with practically anyone who does post here, even the one's i disagree with...I backin KJ, buh like allyuh an penty ting TT - not all tings TT, me not shame to say...KJ an friends and others (dem) could back and like who they want... ;D

Excuse me if I did not respond accordingly (because I honestly did not get the majority of what yuh type)...but what scene u on breds? You see me type anything about wanting Jones to be a fan of the Site?  All I did was ask the man for an interview and he said he wanted nothing to do with us. And if yuh check my initial post in the latest Trinis in Action thread you would see that it was posted in response to Just Cool's post where he was hoping Jones would be reading his message. Like yuh say (or ah think yuh say),  KJ could back and like who he wants and I certainly was not arguing otherwise. Now on to other things.
Don't feel no how, sometimes I don't even understan myself..The comment wasn't directed at you or anybody else for that matter, it was a comment, maybe non-sensical, maybe unnecessary, but a personal one.. It is not a criticism of what I do think is a commendable attempt by you to get an interview for this site.. If KJ refuse, that's his loss/business. Please don't be offended..I only quoted you as the reference of which I commented, not a critique of what you wrote, That's the scene I'm usually on.... no need to be defensive or even offensive, I keep think ppl woul know me (and my nonsense, bad-type, and 'in my head' post by now...even, if I don't add lottsa commas and full stops  :-[

add, I get my mistake now...Firebrand, you thought I was being sarcastic..I was not....I do like ppl here - the allyuh - no sarcasm...that's why I keep returning, and I will exchange drinks with most everyone here, no sarcasm...I wasn't referning to allyuh as a seperation of you as seprate from me, but more as a allyuh as is in me being a part of the we...shim, there ah go confuffling mehself and everybody else again...best ah doh say nuttin...ok sorry :-[  :-[  musbe the damn drugs ah on  >:(
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: FireBrand on February 07, 2011, 02:54:42 PM
JC (and Bakes) I was the one who posted the comment Jones made regarding SW.net/WN, and as Feliz stated there were about 10 forumites present that heard him... including Tallman. About six months prior to that encounter with Jones I sent him three emails requesting an interview for the fans on the Website, but all those emails went unanswered. When I met up with him in Nashville and asked him about the interview and my emails, that is when he voiced his displeasure (with an expression of disgust) for the Club/Websites.  

Now any T&T footballer who we have interviewed or corresponded with (including yuh boy Darryl Roberts ;D) could attest that our interaction with them is always professional, so it was kind of a shock to me and the forumites present that he responded in such a manner. I don't know Kenwyne personally or have anything against him (apart from the frustration we all feel in watching him play), but my honest impression of him that night was that of a arrogant footballer who did not give a crap about the fans.  If yuh still eh choose to believe that then that's yuh prerogative bro...I could only call it as I saw it.
:rotfl: :rotfl: Like I care if KJ, Rooney, or Messi is ah fan of the site or not...I just supporting they football, KJ because he is trini, not because he's ah Messi, and I iz really ah real fan ah allyuh...with all dem millions, I go quicker and preferably exchange brews with practically anyone who does post here, even the one's i disagree with...I backin KJ, buh like allyuh an penty ting TT - not all tings TT, me not shame to say...KJ an friends and others (dem) could back and like who they want... ;D

Excuse me if I did not respond accordingly (because I honestly did not get the majority of what yuh type)...but what scene u on breds? You see me type anything about wanting Jones to be a fan of the Site?  All I did was ask the man for an interview and he said he wanted nothing to do with us. And if yuh check my initial post in the latest Trinis in Action thread you would see that it was posted in response to Just Cool's post where he was hoping Jones would be reading his message. Like yuh say (or ah think yuh say),  KJ could back and like who he wants and I certainly was not arguing otherwise. Now on to other things.
Don't feel no how, sometimes I don't even understan myself..The comment wasn't directed at you or anybody else for that matter, it was a comment, maybe non-sensical, maybe unnecessary, but a personal one.. It is not a criticism of what I do think is a commendable attempt by you to get an interview for this site.. If KJ refuse, that's his loss/business. Please don't be offended..I only quoted you as the reference of which I commented, not a critique of what you wrote, That's the scene I'm usually on.... no need to be defensive or even offensive, I keep think ppl woul know me (and my nonsense, bad-type, and 'in my head' post by now...even, if I don't add lottsa commas and full stops  :-[

add, I get my mistake now...Firebrand, you thought I was being sarcastic..I was not....I do like ppl here - the allyuh - no sarcasm...that's why I keep returning, and I will exchange drinks with most everyone here, no sarcasm...I wasn't referning to allyuh as a seperation of you as seprate from me, but more as a allyuh as is in me being a part of the we...shim, there ah go confuffling mehself and everybody else again...best ah doh say nuttin...ok sorry :-[  :-[  musbe the damn drugs ah on  >:(

Cool breds, thanks for clarifying...  Doh study it tho...is all good  :beermug:
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: scooby on February 07, 2011, 06:32:37 PM
All i have to say is there is no replacement for skill and KJ is very very limited in the skill department his positional play is not good he needs to read the game more, his ball control is non exsistant
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: just cool on February 07, 2011, 08:03:30 PM
Well boy firebrand, this is news to me. i thought it was word of mouth, but now that i know it really happened and there were credible witnesses to corroborate that incident, i have to say i'm totally disappointed and turned off by this behavior.

these ball players eh givin us zilch but entertainment and nothing more, considering what we give them, the least they could do in return is give ah little devotion to the game, that's all the fans want, that and a little respect and consideration in return since is us who afforded them that lavish life style for just being able to kick ah forkin ball!

 without us there's no game, it's BC of us the fans that there's gate receipts, TV broad cast rights, cooperate sponsorship, sporting goods revenue, and like i said before "the least they could do is respect us!".

 it's not like they're absolute necessities to the society like cops, firefighters, pilots, engineers, medical doctors, nurses, research scientist and teachers just to name a few, hek, even cooks and garbage men serve ah greater purpose than ah sportsman. in reality they are just entertainment and nothing more, things we definitely don't need in times of crisis.

 i love the fact that i could support a team and enjoy the sweet science of the game, including player proficiency and coaching tactics @ work, that's what we the fans live for. tuh sign an autograph, shake ah hand , smile wid ah fan, or even listen to ah fella even though it might be annoying, don't take away a lot from you and it certainly don't take a world of effort either IMO, and for KJ tuh come out his face like that is ah huge kick in the teeth and real disrespectful @ the same time.

i heard ah similar situation with bravo/ stern and a fan where he went on rude and c@ntish. this is why i doh ramp wid celebs, when i see them out in public i doh say shyte to them unless they look my way, BC i swear, if ah boy come out he face wid me i will certainly forget what they do and deal wid them as any other MDFKR.

real disappointed with KJ though, real disappointed Bc it was uncalled for and real unnecessary.  :shameonyou:
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Big Magician on February 07, 2011, 09:11:56 PM
yuh know someting.. i does usually stay outa dis kinda ting...but check this

all this talk about KJ and dis and dat etc

lets rewind the clock a bit...KJ was NEVER a much talked about kid in tnt here....we had no kinda " yuh ever see that young boy called KJ etc"..not at st anthonys..not at W Connection.. and TnT youth WC team...nothing... unless allyuh could pull up posts from around that time and put it here...
when he got signed to Southampton... it barely raised an eyebrow... then he went on loan to Stoke (??)..and they try him as a striker...he score some...and then we start to jump up..big striker da da da...

but just before that...he did make us notice a bit when he played the right side for Tnt in a 3-5-2 under bertill..and we saw the kid is an "ATHLETE"...,, not a silky football "player"...
now is bout he first touch...he dribbling skill da da da...

and is true not much was know about marvin andrews...and he became a legend in scotland ..and tnt in my mind... also Colin samuel...and one or two others..
but KJ in the EPL..most viewed League...and we can sit all day and discuss the kid...but...for me... i accept the man is an ATHLETE... strong.. do what he can do...
for instance..when TnT playing... i dont get all worked up to see KJ... and i will be honest...me eh picking him to start...
thats maybe just my take on it...but really...think back a bit...and having said that...the so called "stars' from that WC team..Forbes...Blackman ( we know what happend)...and others...they not in the EPL.. not even the PFL

so there it goes... KJ... play yuh fitball... OR you could come home and let some of these forum members teach you to trap and take on defenders...
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: supporter on February 07, 2011, 09:12:52 PM
I hear you jc...he was awful vs sunderland Saturday, and he's a player who runs less than any player in the prem
Disappointing.

Good pt big mag
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: maxg on February 07, 2011, 11:09:06 PM
yuh know someting.. i does usually stay outa dis kinda ting...but check this

all this talk about KJ and dis and dat etc

lets rewind the clock a bit...KJ was NEVER a much talked about kid in tnt here....we had no kinda " yuh ever see that young boy called KJ etc"..not at st anthonys..not at W Connection.. and TnT youth WC team...nothing... unless allyuh could pull up posts from around that time and put it here...
when he got signed to Southampton... it barely raised an eyebrow... then he went on loan to Stoke (??)..and they try him as a striker...he score some...and then we start to jump up..big striker da da da...

but just before that...he did make us notice a bit when he played the right side for Tnt in a 3-5-2 under bertill..and we saw the kid is an "ATHLETE"...,, not a silky football "player"...
now is bout he first touch...he dribbling skill da da da...

and is true not much was know about marvin andrews...and he became a legend in scotland ..and tnt in my mind... also Colin samuel...and one or two others..
but KJ in the EPL..most viewed League...and we can sit all day and discuss the kid...but...for me... i accept the man is an ATHLETE... strong.. do what he can do...
for instance..when TnT playing... i dont get all worked up to see KJ... and i will be honest...me eh picking him to start...
thats maybe just my take on it...but really...think back a bit...and having said that...the so called "stars' from that WC team..Forbes...Blackman ( we know what happend)...and others...they not in the EPL.. not even the PFL

so there it goes... KJ... play yuh fitball... OR you could come home and let some of these forum members teach you to trap and take on defenders...

we need ah *bounce* smiley..take ah *bounce* still

add: I was one of the few wondering why we didn't pick him for the senior team as a right half...an wonder how dem English coach know more than mighty me, by putting him center forward ...and then ah say whey dem english coached team does place, and how dey does have to thief we to beat we, and unnerstan why they make that mistake...besides they didn't want the best center forard we could give dem..I say, well let the boy play, yes...but much as ah behind him, he still won't play striker for my TT team either
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: weary1969 on February 07, 2011, 11:13:01 PM
yuh know someting.. i does usually stay outa dis kinda ting...but check this

all this talk about KJ and dis and dat etc

lets rewind the clock a bit...KJ was NEVER a much talked about kid in tnt here....we had no kinda " yuh ever see that young boy called KJ etc"..not at st anthonys..not at W Connection.. and TnT youth WC team...nothing... unless allyuh could pull up posts from around that time and put it here...
when he got signed to Southampton... it barely raised an eyebrow... then he went on loan to Stoke (??)..and they try him as a striker...he score some...and then we start to jump up..big striker da da da...

but just before that...he did make us notice a bit when he played the right side for Tnt in a 3-5-2 under bertill..and we saw the kid is an "ATHLETE"...,, not a silky football "player"...
now is bout he first touch...he dribbling skill da da da...

and is true not much was know about marvin andrews...and he became a legend in scotland ..and tnt in my mind... also Colin samuel...and one or two others..
but KJ in the EPL..most viewed League...and we can sit all day and discuss the kid...but...for me... i accept the man is an ATHLETE... strong.. do what he can do...
for instance..when TnT playing... i dont get all worked up to see KJ... and i will be honest...me eh picking him to start...
thats maybe just my take on it...but really...think back a bit...and having said that...the so called "stars' from that WC team..Forbes...Blackman ( we know what happend)...and others...they not in the EPL.. not even the PFL

so there it goes... KJ... play yuh fitball... OR you could come home and let some of these forum members teach you to trap and take on defenders...

we need ah *bounce* smiley..take ah *bounce* still

In d meantime  go CO-SIGNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: soccerman on February 07, 2011, 11:21:17 PM
bout Firebrand's quote..yes Kenwyne did say that bout SW.net & WN
had bout a 10 of us or so at the hotel after the Nashville game

so as someone say why even bother bout him if thats his attitude

He said that??? I was there in Nashville in the hotel talking to players an all. I didn't see KJ until afterwards in the party. I also noticed nuff supporters buys him drinks, taking pictures with him, embracing him, heck he even wine up on most of de female supporters that came through and that's how he treating us fans???

KJ if you reading this, doh study it. We want the best for you and you're the man in the spotlight who represents our country on one of the highest level. Doh let the critcism go tuh yuh head cuz at de end of the dey yuh have we full support!!!
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: just cool on February 08, 2011, 12:02:51 AM
What criticism ? this thread was created tuh shine some light on the bredder's performance of late, or lack thereof. i only bother BC KJ is one of my favorite players and know that he's capable of stellar performances, unlike the ones he's been putting down recently.

 i always defend the bredder when ppl got on his case, even when i read the sunderland's supporters negative comments, or the stoke fans and their unsavory comments , it hurts just like if KJ was ah relative of mine, and ah sure nuff members could share that very said sentiment as well.

for ppl tuh stay here and act like i'm doggin the bredder is just absurd. i just want to see KJ live up to his full potential, i also want the same for hyland , roberts, primus peltier, matter of fact, all the bredders who don the colors.

whether we accept it or not, them boy is ambassadors and when they fack up ppl tend to look @ where they're from as oppose to their individuality. like in said manner when they say "all" caribbean players are laid back.

i wish kenwyne nothing but good luck and good fortune in his football career and in his personal life, but @ the same token, i will not stop here and pretend that i'm pleased with the way he's been playing when i know the dude is capable of much better.

in doin so he's fackin up his stocks, and knowing the english fans and football fraternity and how fickle they could be, pretty soon the word would be out on him, " this guy is too laid back and has no work ethic", then more than likely , no decent manager would take a chance on him.

but since allyuh love him more than me and want tuh pamper him and not counsel the yute on his obvious mistakes. kenwyne the higher ups has spoken, what more can i say. play yuh fitball son.
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: kev on February 08, 2011, 01:52:25 AM
If KJ plays with a better team, one that will create better quality scoring chances for strikers you will probably see him bang in more goals.

KJ has some good qualities as a striker, but if he is not given quality balls regularly during a game it will be hard for him to increase his scoring rate.

His one weakness as a striker is to dribble past a defender in a 1v1 situation, if he can add a "step-over" move to his game he will be way more effective and will score more goals since he got the pace, but this has a better chance of reality if he plays with a good team that can open up this space for him to run at defenders.

I've been through this debate on here a long time ago, this view is just too simplistic and wouldn't result in him scoring more, well it might  due to the bigs team superiority but wouldn't be enough to justify his place in such a team.

Kenwyne is a big strong athlete, but lacks a few things as a striker that I would of thought should of improved by now but haven't. 

If you are in a better team that creates more chances, these chances are created by quick passing and movement usually with good control.  To make use of the chances that come you way in a team like this you have to anticipate and be in the right place to put the ball in, this is one of Kenwyne's weakess points, he simply wouldn't be there when the chance presented itself. 

His control is inconsistant, sometimes good sometimes he can't trap a bag of cement, again far too inconsistant for a top team.

His shooting is the same as his control and if you watched him often enough I doubt there is anybody on here that would feel confident about him scoring when one on one with a keeper, he lacks composure in front of goal.

He was bought by Stoke for what he is, he is in a team that will present him with a lot of chances that he is better suited to converting, by high balls into a packed penalty area.

Kenwyne is what he is, I doubt he will ever be what he could be.   
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: maxg on February 08, 2011, 07:12:28 AM
If KJ plays with a better team, one that will create better quality scoring chances for strikers you will probably see him bang in more goals.

KJ has some good qualities as a striker, but if he is not given quality balls regularly during a game it will be hard for him to increase his scoring rate.

His one weakness as a striker is to dribble past a defender in a 1v1 situation, if he can add a "step-over" move to his game he will be way more effective and will score more goals since he got the pace, but this has a better chance of reality if he plays with a good team that can open up this space for him to run at defenders.

I've been through this debate on here a long time ago, this view is just too simplistic and wouldn't result in him scoring more, well it might  due to the bigs team superiority but wouldn't be enough to justify his place in such a team.

Kenwyne is a big strong athlete, but lacks a few things as a striker that I would of thought should of improved by now but haven't. 

If you are in a better team that creates more chances, these chances are created by quick passing and movement usually with good control.  To make use of the chances that come you way in a team like this you have to anticipate and be in the right place to put the ball in, this is one of Kenwyne's weakess points, he simply wouldn't be there when the chance presented itself.  His control is inconsistant, sometimes good sometimes he can't trap a bag of cement, again far too inconsistant for a top team.

His shooting is the same as his control and if you watched him often enough I doubt there is anybody on here that would feel confident about him scoring when one on one with a keeper, he lacks composure in front of goal.

He was bought by Stoke for what he is, he is in a team that will present him with a lot of chances that he is better suited to converting, by high balls into a packed penalty area.

Kenwyne is what he is, I doubt he will ever be what he could be.   

But on the trading block went Stern John..like one's not supposed to have to different players on the same team....isn't that why form a team....never cease to amaze me how some managers want to have their cake & eat it too...well, I guess we will never know...don't worry, the TT manager did the same mistake, and he was our greatest, to many..
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: rotatopoti3 on February 08, 2011, 07:20:52 AM
His control is inconsistant, sometimes good sometimes he can't trap a bag of cement, again far too inconsistant for a top team.

How dear u.....mate if this is your attempt of a Euphemism then I would say u nailed it on the head...... ;D....  I especially like the statement in Bold.....
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: soccerman on February 08, 2011, 10:52:50 AM
What criticism ? this thread was created tuh shine some light on the bredder's performance of late, or lack thereof. i only bother BC KJ is one of my favorite players and know that he's capable of stellar performances, unlike the ones he's been putting down recently.

 i always defend the bredder when ppl got on his case, even when i read the sunderland's supporters negative comments, or the stoke fans and their unsavory comments , it hurts just like if KJ was ah relative of mine, and ah sure nuff members could share that very said sentiment as well.

for ppl tuh stay here and act like i'm doggin the bredder is just absurd. i just want to see KJ live up to his full potential, i also want the same for hyland , roberts, primus peltier, matter of fact, all the bredders who don the colors.

whether we accept it or not, them boy is ambassadors and when they fack up ppl tend to look @ where they're from as oppose to their individuality. like in said manner when they say "all" caribbean players are laid back.

i wish kenwyne nothing but good luck and good fortune in his football career and in his personal life, but @ the same token, i will not stop here and pretend that i'm pleased with the way he's been playing when i know the dude is capable of much better.

in doin so he's fackin up his stocks, and knowing the english fans and football fraternity and how fickle they could be, pretty soon the word would be out on him, " this guy is too laid back and has no work ethic", then more than likely , no decent manager would take a chance on him.

but since allyuh love him more than me and want tuh pamper him and not counsel the yute on his obvious mistakes. kenwyne the higher ups has spoken, what more can i say. play yuh fitball son.

JC I'm not speaking about the criticism on this thread and I'm not pampering him either. Lot's of times I've read people on this site call him a goat, shit snake, he cyar pass, trap, etc., etc. and I believe it's because they know he's not playing to his full potential which fraustrates us at times. At the end of the day we want to see him succeed!! I don't know the brother but I believe as a player if he read all the things people wrote about him on this site, it could've upset him and that could be the reason he said he wants nothing to do with this forum.
So just like you I want all the best for him and all of our players abroad and locally. So all I'm saying is when we do counsel him on his obvious mistakes, not to take it personally :beermug:
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: kev on February 09, 2011, 04:15:26 AM
His control is inconsistant, sometimes good sometimes he can't trap a bag of cement, again far too inconsistant for a top team.

How dear u.....mate if this is your attempt of a Euphemism then I would say u nailed it on the head...... ;D....  I especially like the statement in Bold.....

Its very old and well used by fans in England, just like me old the ones are best ;)
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: andre samuel on February 09, 2011, 07:11:38 AM
The fact is, Kenwyne simply lacks consistancy!!

He is not good enough for a top level team since his lack of "off the ball movement", "clinical finishing" and "close control" will be further exposed!

Big Mag's post is an excellent one.

Stoke City will not improve kenwyne's game because they simply play to his strengths.  He is probably in the top 3 in the league in the air and that may be all Stoke City wants from him.

He gets the most attention at corners and free kicks and this probably frees up more players like Huth, Shawcross and Carew to get goal scoring opportunities.

Kenwyne is a friendly lad, and is open to give photos and small interviews to fans.  However, he does not handle criticism well (and sometimes we could be dread on this site).

I remember Carlos Edwards once telling me that he reads the site now and then, but one time he was reading and he just had to stop cause "allyuh does mash ppl up"

All in all, Kenwyne is in good hands w.r.t. his strengths so he cool for de hour.

GOOD LUCK TO HIM
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Tallman on February 09, 2011, 08:15:52 AM
Kenwyne is a friendly lad, and is open to give photos and small interviews to fans.  However, he does not handle criticism well (and sometimes we could be dread on this site).

I remember Carlos Edwards once telling me that he reads the site now and then, but one time he was reading and he just had to stop cause "allyuh does mash ppl up"

Ah wonder if dey does read dey own club supporters forums
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Brownsugar on February 09, 2011, 08:18:02 AM
Kenwyne is a friendly lad, and is open to give photos and small interviews to fans.  However, he does not handle criticism well (and sometimes we could be dread on this site).

I remember Carlos Edwards once telling me that he reads the site now and then, but one time he was reading and he just had to stop cause "allyuh does mash ppl up"

Ah wonder if dey does read dey own club supporters forums

Well Tallman boy yuh take de words right off mih keyboard......it have more dread fans in the footballing world dan English fans??!!......steups!!.....
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Dutty on February 09, 2011, 10:15:34 AM
Kenwyne is a friendly lad, and is open to give photos and small interviews to fans.  However, he does not handle criticism well (and sometimes we could be dread on this site).

I remember Carlos Edwards once telling me that he reads the site now and then, but one time he was reading and he just had to stop cause "allyuh does mash ppl up"

Ah wonder if dey does read dey own club supporters forums

Well Tallman boy yuh take de words right off mih keyboard......it have more dread fans in the footballing world dan English fans??!!......steups!!.....

To play devils advocate...I suspect the criticism might 'sting' a lil more comming from your own people
Dem fellahs know de brits  does be psycho on de football vibes....so dey does probably shrug off comments by clearly mental people....but to read scathing comments bout 'cyah trap' & 'lazy' etc etc on the one lil T&T site it have............?

if I was jones, I woulda say f**k away wit sw.net same way oui..den ah woulda jump in mih bentley and blaze dong de m1 spillin polorie sauce on de seats
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: elan on February 09, 2011, 10:27:38 AM
Kenwyne is a friendly lad, and is open to give photos and small interviews to fans.  However, he does not handle criticism well (and sometimes we could be dread on this site).

I remember Carlos Edwards once telling me that he reads the site now and then, but one time he was reading and he just had to stop cause "allyuh does mash ppl up"

Ah wonder if dey does read dey own club supporters forums

Well Tallman boy yuh take de words right off mih keyboard......it have more dread fans in the footballing world dan English fans??!!......steups!!.....

To play devils advocate...I suspect the criticism might 'sting' a lil more comming from your own people
Dem fellahs know de brits  does be psycho on de football vibes....so dey does probably shrug off comments by clearly mental people....but to read scathing comments bout 'cyah trap' & 'lazy' etc etc on the one lil T&T site it have............?

if I was jones, I woulda say f**k away wit sw.net same way oui..den ah woulda jump in mih bentley and blaze dong de m1 spillin polorie sauce on de seats

Big men is big men.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: College on February 09, 2011, 11:52:41 AM
If KJ plays with a better team, one that will create better quality scoring chances for strikers you will probably see him bang in more goals.

KJ has some good qualities as a striker, but if he is not given quality balls regularly during a game it will be hard for him to increase his scoring rate.

His one weakness as a striker is to dribble past a defender in a 1v1 situation, if he can add a "step-over" move to his game he will be way more effective and will score more goals since he got the pace, but this has a better chance of reality if he plays with a good team that can open up this space for him to run at defenders.

I've been through this debate on here a long time ago, this view is just too simplistic and wouldn't result in him scoring more, well it might  due to the bigs team superiority but wouldn't be enough to justify his place in such a team.

Kenwyne is a big strong athlete, but lacks a few things as a striker that I would of thought should of improved by now but haven't. 

If you are in a better team that creates more chances, these chances are created by quick passing and movement usually with good control.  To make use of the chances that come you way in a team like this you have to anticipate and be in the right place to put the ball in, this is one of Kenwyne's weakess points, he simply wouldn't be there when the chance presented itself. 

His control is inconsistant, sometimes good sometimes he can't trap a bag of cement, again far too inconsistant for a top team.

His shooting is the same as his control and if you wat ;Dched him often enough I doubt there is anybody on here that would feel confident about him scoring when one on one with a keeper, he lacks composure in front of goal.

He was bought by Stoke for what he is, he is in a team that will present him with a lot of chances that he is better suited to converting, by high balls into a packed penalty area.

Kenwyne is what he is, I doubt he will ever be what he could be.  

Kev, your points are well taken.. but here in Trini, we have an old saying ,... " when yuh mix with shit, yuh does play shit" :devil:
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: kev on February 09, 2011, 01:28:06 PM
Kenwyne is a friendly lad, and is open to give photos and small interviews to fans.  However, he does not handle criticism well (and sometimes we could be dread on this site).

I remember Carlos Edwards once telling me that he reads the site now and then, but one time he was reading and he just had to stop cause "allyuh does mash ppl up"

Ah wonder if dey does read dey own club supporters forums

If he does he will find himself getting slacked off a lot more, more harshly and quickly on the Stoke forum than he did on the SMB.



Kev, your points are well taken.. but here in Trini, we have an old saying ,... " when yuh mix with shit, yuh does play shit" :devil:

It is easier to look better than you are in a better team, as a lot of transfers have proved.  Don't think the Stoke fans will like you calling them a tata team though  :devil:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Trinimassive on February 09, 2011, 01:51:46 PM
Kenwyne is an Athlete playing football at the highest level, doh expect anything more. I don't think the clubs that buy him expect more from him. He does what he does good enough for them.

Steve Bruce wanted more than an Athlete and a decent footballer so when he get there and he see Kenwyne he make changes.

We expecting more from Kenwyne than he could give that he why he doh score no setta goals for T&T.
Stern on the other hand was all about scoring, Kenwyne knows he not being bought to score ah bag ah goals so he ent worried if he don't score.

You get what he's good at when you buy or watch Kenwyne and that's it. That is why he was moved to defense because he big, strong, good in the air. We like that for we defenders, and skill for we forwards,  in England they like big, strong, and good in the air for their defenders and at least one ah dey striker.

Rougier comes to mind, he was a regular forward in Scotland

When Kenwyne play fuh we put him in the back and we good  :beermug:

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on February 09, 2011, 02:16:03 PM
unproven as a Snr player..right now, unless we playing boom kick, always an option, like Big Mag, for me, he riding pine....unless on the invite, he showing(in the 2 training days) he fit enuff physically & mentally to play midfield or we going the boom kick route with one forward (he to win air balls) to defend, that early, game leading goal, we always wish we could score...then again, he might show something new, something borrowed or something outta the blue (Q...R...C..we wa), given a different coach, with different instructions...yuh neva know
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: just cool on February 09, 2011, 02:19:22 PM
Kenwyne is an Athlete playing football at the highest level, doh expect anything more. I don't think the clubs that buy him expect more from him. He does what he does good enough for them.

Steve Bruce wanted more than an Athlete and a decent footballer so when he get there and he see Kenwyne he make changes.

We expecting more from Kenwyne than he could give that he why he doh score no setta goals for T&T.
Stern on the other hand was all about scoring, Kenwyne knows he not being bought to score ah bag ah goals so he ent worried if he don't score.

You get what he's good at when you buy or watch Kenwyne and that's it. That is why he was moved to defense because he big, strong, good in the air. We like that for we defenders, and skill for we forwards,  in England they like big, strong, and good in the air for their defenders and at least one ah dey striker.

Rougier comes to mind, he was a regular forward in Scotland

When Kenwyne play fuh we put him in the back and we good  :beermug:


I beg to differ, kenwyne is ah damn good footballer, and he scored many ah goals that nuff players would normally throw away, like the first goal he scored in the EPL against redding, that and many more with his feet that many players would not be able too convert.

i heard ah comment on this same thread that fans are less likely to feel secure with KJ in ah one on one situation with ah keeper, well i've seen him in that situation more than once , many a time @ southampton and he converted, i've seen it @ sunlun and @ stoke when he buss pepi reina's net VS liverpool.

IMO the fella is ah damn good footballer and would rather see him in front of goal than stern. the thing is with KJ and what most strikers have over him is the positional sense of play(getting into scoring position) and the hunger that he lacks,

that same hunger that made me like the kid in the first place when he played with southampton and under leo beenhakker, the one we saw in germany, that fighting rough house never say die attitude, that's all this fella want to be ah top contender.  IMO, he's much more accurate than stern in front of goal.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on February 09, 2011, 03:09:12 PM
For me, the little bit I saw, very few was better than the Pre-Notiingham Forest injured Stern..the Birmingham super-sub stern was pretty good as a role player too..KJ has his own role to play, and as far as TT is concerned, he should be picked to play that role, not play a Stern John, or TT Drogba role...He is KJ...should the team therefore be picked around him, no , yet it depends on what the other present potential candidates bring to the table...this is Team selection, not pick the best players and put them on the field, but pick the best players to execute a particular strategy, that compliments those players...thus the most skilfull right mid, might get left out for a less skilfull mid but stronger tackling/holding mid, to say complement the defence and have a more balanced team...this is where real Managers earn their keep...National/Pro club teams should not be about coaching as much as management...coaching is for before that, in my lil mind anyway
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: jai john on February 10, 2011, 08:24:45 PM
For me Kenwyne  Jones plays  like Shaquille O Neil ....scores goals ...uses his presence to his advantage ..is effective at what he does ..intimidates defenders
...would I class him as a top footballer ? ..would I class Shaq as a top basketballer ...sure would on both counts but he has to play on a team that wants his type of play ...long balls into the box ...crosses  ... if he cant get that then he is a spectator ...
strange ..he went to England as a utility player than a became a defender ..then was tried as a forward and has not looked back. He had an amazing record at Stoke ......scores goals for all his teams ...but they must suit his style . Dont try to see him playing flowing fluid football ...that is like asking Shaq to run the court ...and we much prefer Shaq to be in the paint ...where it matters !!
Title: KJ not doing himself any favors.
Post by: just cool on February 19, 2011, 03:51:22 PM
Whats up with this fella? why is he not representing himself? why is he not grabbing this opportunity with four hands and holding on for dear life? were we mistaken about KJ and just maybe this was all a fluke, could it be that he's one of the luckiest sh!tsnakes to come out of T&T?

i heard the fella having marital problems and ah feel for him BC i know what that's like, but there's a time when ah fella have tuh pick up the pieces move on and take charge of his life again and set yuhself free. so handle yuh business son and stop sulking if that's truly the case.
http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Potters&action=display&thread=151211

first things first, KJ better take charge of his career, BC broads will come and they will go, but financial security often leaves and rarely returns.

i'm tellin yuhs, if he keeps this up i'm smelling championship for this guy on the horizon. his stocks has dropped tremendously and is on the down spiral. he needs to knock in ah few before the seasons end or else he will ride nuff pine with stoke next season if he's lucky to stay in the prem.

i notice this idle behavior from jones since the last hex and he's not been able to shake this shyte off ever since and get serious with his football career. the boy needs tuh play with energy and vigor, this lazyman paul business don't belong in today's football and would not cut it in europe @ all!

i really like the fella and ah want him to do well, but it seem like he has gotten swell headed and believes he doesn't have to work hard now, when in reality this is the time he really has to buss a gut.

could someone who knows jones please talk to the fella, BC he's pissing on ah grand opportunity.              positive.
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Title: Re: KJ not doing himself any favors.
Post by: Ngozi on February 19, 2011, 04:12:37 PM
One of the fan's post about him.

   Re: Jones miss at half time
« Reply #21 Today at 8:55pm »   

Today at 8:20pm, scfcbiancorossi wrote:
The thing with Kenners is simple. He currently deserves the stick he is recieving simply because he has the wrong work ethic. Pulis suggested early in the season that he has a "laid back" attitude and will turn up to training late etc etc. Well sorry, but earning the money hes on, turning up half soaked its not on, especially when people are paying their money to watch him. He has brought all this on himself. The sooner we get rid in the summer the better. Use the money from Jones to complete Carew signing and bring in a flair player in midfield. Sorted.


Agree. I have worked as a nurse for over 40 years - retire next year if I still have a job with all the NHS cuts :(. Done all sorts of shifts - 7am till 9pm, nights, Christmas Day, New Years Eve and so on. Not grumbling at all - I count myself lucky to have had a steady job for 40 years and there's lots of people on here very much worse off than me. But when I came to work I genuinely did my best each and every day to earn my wages. I see Kenwyne on as much per week as I ever earned in a year as a nurse and APPEARING not to give a stuff whether he does his job - to score and to create goals - or not. That to me is fraudulent - he is not doing what he's being paid to do.. Don't talk of confidence - he jogs around here and there as if nothing matters. I know he's a good footballer, but on those wages he has to bloody well motivate himself (don't tell me TP isn't encouraging him also), put himself in the thick of the action rather than on the periphery and get stuck in.

Rant over - sorry!
Title: Re: KJ not doing himself any favors.
Post by: Tenorsaw on February 19, 2011, 04:47:36 PM
Saw him live versus Fulham earlier this season, and he was pathetic...no movement off the ball and you could tell he was not into the game.  Something going on, and he needs to sort it out ASAP, or else he will be another talent who simply underachieved.
Title: Re: KJ not doing himself any favors.
Post by: Bakes on February 19, 2011, 06:52:54 PM
Who is this "KJ" allyuh talking about... and why should we care?
Title: Re: KJ not doing himself any favors.
Post by: Preacher on February 19, 2011, 07:04:15 PM
Bakes, they talking bout Kenwyn Jones..Philbert Jone nephew...
Title: Re: KJ not doing himself any favors.
Post by: Bakes on February 19, 2011, 08:39:38 PM
Bakes, they talking bout Kenwyn Jones..Philbert Jone nephew...

Who is that... the same fella who say he doh care about and want nothing to do with SWO and its members?
Title: Re: KJ not doing himself any favors.
Post by: davidephraim on February 19, 2011, 09:48:01 PM
Bakes, they talking bout Kenwyn Jones..Philbert Jone nephew...

Who is that... the same fella who say he doh care about and want nothing to do with SWO and its members?

Oh! I dont recall dat; whe de link.
Title: Re: KJ not doing himself any favors.
Post by: Preacher on February 20, 2011, 12:09:50 AM
Yeah he say that.... ;D   All players does have a hard time with us at some point..Real love and hate..Peanut butter and jelly.  All good for yuh.
Title: Re: KJ not doing himself any favors.
Post by: kev on February 20, 2011, 02:46:45 AM
I am surprised JC you have been one of his biggest defenders.

Unless he is a gambler or something I wouldn't worry about his financial position even if he doesn't play he is now set for life.

Threads like that have been going on for months on that board, the difference now is that they have Carew that is seen as being able to do "his job" and he is keeping out the fans favourite Fuller, as I said on the other one he needs a few goals and quick before they really start on him during matches.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on February 20, 2011, 12:14:03 PM
 :-X :-X  Somebody tell Pulis let go KJ, Kerry B. available...easy so, doh matter what or why,dah's would be macomere man business...Straight swap..dat will help Kerry and KJ, doh have to deal with that pressure whatever it is , "Not my business", and could go handle he stories... ..ah feel maybe macomere man phobia cutting some noses to spite some faces  ...buh how ppl who don't hear or see does learn, ans: experience, and they use their other senses...so far thank god, Mr Pulis giving him the slack, hopefully he would be eventually able to pull himself back in, rather than some ppl and hang themselves....Keep working KJ. Yuh in with ah good boss, Help him out please Cardo, hang in there, for the future of our other Caribbean players  :praying:

add: meanwhile the other next  ???mess-hound  ??? scoring again thanks be to god, and hardly ah peep, one of our only other representative....like is only Messi allowed to score & unscore or wha ?...Go Jason, call up KJ tell him some of us behind allyuh (cause he doh read we  ;)  )  no matter what play, success or failure....but success would be more encouraging for our youth home...Do it allyuh
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: Babalawo on February 21, 2011, 02:37:14 AM
Carew take over the big target man role and looks a lot more active than KJ in the same role.
KJ's effort is deficient.

for a big man Kenwyne does play rel soft. Its good that stoke pick up Carew, i like that player
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Pur_Trini on February 24, 2011, 04:21:16 AM
Watched Arsenal v. Stoke last night.  Carew and Walters started up front, KJ and Fuller on the bench.  Walters was brought off for Fuller second half. 

KJ didn't look like he would get a look in until the 89th minute, when Stoke had a corner.  When the substitution wasn't allowed to be made before the corner was taken, Pulis made him sit back down.

I always defend KJ on The Oatcake, as I did on the Sunderland message boards, but that's getting harder and harder to do.  He just does not seem interested at all.  Despite what anyone says, KJ has talent.  He would not have gotten to where he is if he didn't.  His hunger and desire to do well is just gone. 

I have to stop going on the Oatcake forum.  Too depressing seeing them slag off KJ, moreso when I know they're right.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on February 24, 2011, 08:03:19 AM
If I had KJ's work ethic at my job, I would be fired before long.
It kinda sad to see him like this.  I hope he finds what he needs to re-ignite the fire.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Socapro on February 24, 2011, 10:12:11 AM
If I had KJ's work ethic at my job, I would be fired before long.
It kinda sad to see him like this.  I hope he finds what he needs to re-ignite the fire.

The Man is T&T player of the year! He has nothing to prove!! No one in that side can step in his shoes!!  ;)
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: giggsy11 on February 24, 2011, 11:39:17 AM
If I had KJ's work ethic at my job, I would be fired before long.
It kinda sad to see him like this.  I hope he finds what he needs to re-ignite the fire.

The Man is T&T player of the year! He has nothing to prove!! No one in that side can step in his shoes!!  ;)

I think he should just let the other forwards play and just coach the team!
Title: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: fitzinho on March 13, 2011, 09:40:02 AM
Stoke to rally round Jones as family issues derail striker's form.
By Sportsmail Reporter.


Tony Pulis will support Kenwyne Jones as he struggles for form during a messy divorce.

Stoke’s club record £8m signing has found the net just once in his last 16 outings but could start against West Ham on Sunday.

‘This family situation has really affected him. But this football club supports its players,’ said Pulis.

'We did so with Matty Etherington, we did so with Danny Higginbotham last week whose wife had a baby. And we shall do so with Kenwyne.'
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Cocorite on March 13, 2011, 10:17:51 AM
Sad news indeed. Always a very difficult thing to deal with. Your family in our prayers, Jones
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Trini _2022 on March 13, 2011, 10:49:29 AM
suspected that months ago
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Jay10 on March 13, 2011, 12:08:10 PM
Yupp that was the case. For his sake I really hope he gets over it.

Its really tough for him though, as he has 3 little kids. His wife is Trini, which could mean the kids coming back if she chooses to leave the UK

Really tough to take on mentally
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: makaveli on March 13, 2011, 12:37:46 PM
Yupp that was the case. For his sake I really hope he gets over it.

Its really tough for him though, as he has 3 little kids. His wife is Trini, which could mean the kids coming back if she chooses to leave the UK

Really tough to take on mentally

plus she might leave with half
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Socapro on March 13, 2011, 02:00:26 PM
I think this thread should be merged with the Kenwyne Jone thread just here:

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=52719.60

Now we can understand a bit better why Kenwyne hasn't been performing at his best recently!

He is coping with a divorce!
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: AB.Trini on March 13, 2011, 02:20:08 PM
What was Latapy coping with?
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: sammy on March 13, 2011, 07:17:29 PM
what cause she to leave?
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on March 13, 2011, 07:49:36 PM
BM HERE....Be strong son

Play de life
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: weary1969 on March 13, 2011, 08:06:18 PM
It had 2 b d big D. Divorce is a tough pill 2 swallow.
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Coop's on March 13, 2011, 09:56:26 PM
Alyu good yes,i tell you all long time leave the boy alone,after all what was said a few weeks ago about Kenwyn people have to just hush they mouth,the real storey is out so all the ifs, buts,ah hear and may bes done,we does guess too much and spreading a set of bad propaganda.
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Jay10 on March 13, 2011, 10:06:09 PM
Alyu good yes,i tell you all long time leave the boy alone,after all what was said a few weeks ago about Kenwyn people have to just hush they mouth,the real storey is out so all the ifs, buts,ah hear and may bes done,we does guess too much and spreading a set of bad propaganda.

Cppos I knew that was the problem all along but I didnt want to put the man business out dere juss so. But you really cant falut some of the fans for getting down on him, they honestly did not know. All they wanted was to see their trini in the prem succeed. :beermug:
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: weary1969 on March 13, 2011, 10:29:50 PM
Alyu good yes,i tell you all long time leave the boy alone,after all what was said a few weeks ago about Kenwyn people have to just hush they mouth,the real storey is out so all the ifs, buts,ah hear and may bes done,we does guess too much and spreading a set of bad propaganda.

Cppos I knew that was the problem all along but I didnt want to put the man business out dere juss so. But you really cant falut some of the fans for getting down on him, they honestly did not know. All they wanted was to see their trini in the prem succeed. :beermug:




Eh agree wit u we luv 2 diss our own. We does diss him when he playin 4 we ecause he eh committed etc. I will always remember dat in June KJ got injured in d mother of all fete matches and in Nov he was back playin 4 we. He did not need 2 come back b4 d hex IMO.
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Bakes on March 13, 2011, 10:46:36 PM
Alyu good yes,i tell you all long time leave the boy alone,after all what was said a few weeks ago about Kenwyn people have to just hush they mouth,the real storey is out so all the ifs, buts,ah hear and may bes done,we does guess too much and spreading a set of bad propaganda.

Everything that people said about Kenwyne still stands... this news doesn't change anything.  It puts his poor performance in perspective, but it doesn't excuse it.  Many of us have our own personal challenges and we don't have the luxury of going to work and pouting about it.  I sympathize with the fella without a doubt, and I pray that he and his family can weather this storm... but he is a professional and is expected to act as such. When he doesn't he'll get criticized... I know he's family, but that's just how it goes.
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Preacher on March 13, 2011, 10:59:38 PM
Alyu good yes,i tell you all long time leave the boy alone,after all what was said a few weeks ago about Kenwyn people have to just hush they mouth,the real storey is out so all the ifs, buts,ah hear and may bes done,we does guess too much and spreading a set of bad propaganda.

Everything that people said about Kenwyne still stands... this news doesn't change anything.  It puts his poor performance in perspective, but it doesn't excuse it.  Many of us have our own personal challenges and we don't have the luxury of going to work and pouting about it.  I sympathize with the fella without a doubt, and I pray that he and his family can weather this storm... but he is a professional and is expected to act as such. When he doesn't he'll get criticized... I know he's family, but that's just how it goes.

Yeah with these things you just never know because people react differently. Someone in the very same situation might run out, turn an monster and give you 1.2 goals a game.  Kenwyn's story is obviously different.  Hopefully he can ketch himself soon, because at the end he can't say his divorced ruined his career.  Kenwyn needs to be responsible for every 90min. he suit up for.  Sad news, but the brother got his whole life ahead of him. Hope he makes it through in one piece. Just love yuh children and do your best.
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: sjahrain on March 14, 2011, 03:37:24 AM
KJ padner you better use this situation as motivation to improve your game because your bills will be much higher soon..... :devil:

Serious thing
Raspect
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Palmer on March 14, 2011, 04:31:00 AM
I knw y she leaving him but i wldnt reveal that here so dnt feel sorry for him
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Sando on March 14, 2011, 06:03:42 AM
Like the cheater got caught. Is the girl from San Juan, right ?
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: D.H.W on March 14, 2011, 06:07:10 AM
I knw y she leaving him but i wldnt reveal that here so dnt feel sorry for him
somebody buss dem files a while back, cah remember who. but d thread deleted anyway. Not sure if what ah read was true doh
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: D.H.W on March 14, 2011, 06:08:13 AM
Like the cheater got caught. Is the girl from San Juan, right ?
:devil:
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: sammy on March 14, 2011, 06:09:31 AM
I knw y she leaving him but i wldnt reveal that here so dnt feel sorry for him

well i dunno y she leaving him daiz y i ask.
However, if he getting leave for running hoes on the side or domestic abuse etc, then u cyah really feel for him.
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: sammy on March 14, 2011, 06:11:19 AM
then again suppose he he lazy uninterested style of play on the field does extend somewhere else too and daiz y he getting released?...
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Bakes on March 14, 2011, 08:35:13 AM
Allyuh men getting real outta timin' now... no need to be speculating or spreading rumors about the man private life.
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Jah Gol on March 14, 2011, 08:45:53 AM
Allyuh men getting real outta timin' now... no need to be speculating or spreading rumors about the man private life.
:beermug:
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Coop's on March 14, 2011, 09:14:43 AM
Allyuh men getting real outta timin' now... no need to be speculating or spreading rumors about the man private life.
      Well said Bakes,this is what i was talking about.
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: real madness on March 14, 2011, 09:18:34 AM
I knw y she leaving him but i wldnt reveal that here so dnt feel sorry for him

What is the purpose of your post?  Instead of coasting your "inside" knowledge of KJ situation why don't you put your business on the forum so we can get some entertainment.
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: MEP on March 14, 2011, 10:41:45 AM
So let me ask how many of you'll would like your personal business discussed in a public forum? I don't know what the man did nor do I care what he did...all I know is that this sort of speculation is dangerous as it affects the man's family. real maccomeh man bizness
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: weary1969 on March 14, 2011, 11:00:10 AM
So let me ask how many of you'll would like your personal business discussed in a public forum? I don't know what the man did nor do I care what he did...all I know is that this sort of speculation is dangerous as it affects the man's family. real maccomeh man bizness

U sounding shock  ???
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on March 14, 2011, 11:49:42 AM
So let me ask how many of you'll would like your personal business discussed in a public forum? I don't know what the man did nor do I care what he did...all I know is that this sort of speculation is dangerous as it affects the man's family. real maccomeh man bizness

U sounding shock  ???

Cah believe ah ha to borrow this "COSIGN" lol.
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on March 14, 2011, 12:13:14 PM
I fell all yuh could start one (1) Kenwyne Jones thread and put everything there.

• Jones buss he toe.
• Jones eat ah young cymit and get colic.
• Jones get ketch horning and wife threatens divorce.
• Stoke coach to tell Jones he mudda c*#t.

Wha the f**k dread is every Monday morning is some sh!t wid he and not all of it is worth a brand new thread.
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: D.H.W on March 14, 2011, 12:13:52 PM
So let me ask how many of you'll would like your personal business discussed in a public forum? I don't know what the man did nor do I care what he did...all I know is that this sort of speculation is dangerous as it affects the man's family. real maccomeh man bizness

U sounding shock  ???

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Brownsugar on March 14, 2011, 12:47:22 PM
So let me ask how many of you'll would like your personal business discussed in a public forum? I don't know what the man did nor do I care what he did...all I know is that this sort of speculation is dangerous as it affects the man's family. real maccomeh man bizness

When we ketching kicks off the the foreign players of the Manu or Chelsea or whoever else of that ilk...dais ok.  but when is one ah we own it unacceptable??

Whether we like it or not, KJ is a public figure unfortunately his private life ain't so private anymore.  It comes with the territory.....
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Trinimassive on March 14, 2011, 01:08:13 PM
It goes with the territory people. Get over it.

If I was making 50,000 pounds a week and the ketch to it was my business will be on forums to discuss. Guess what talk all allyuh want.

It is the price to pay. Most the public who buy jerseys, pay cable, PPV and all that want to know their players, actors, stars personal life, so if one ah dem using crack we want to know so we could decide to drop dem.

Where money spend no favors asked. If he want to live a low profile life take a low profile paying job and be happy. Otherwise it just the life we live it. Every actor, every player knows that.

He could always join the PFL if he want to keep playing football and have a private life
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: maxg on March 14, 2011, 03:09:45 PM
 >:( :-X >:( :-[
I thought only this fella play this character, but for Carnival plenty does play ah mas
(http://correctopinion.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/twoface.jpg?w=239&h=288)

Hope things work out for KJ, his potential Ex, and their kids...sometimes all the money in the world don't make life smooth sailing..even if this site is not for you Mr. Jones, wish you and yours the best
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Deeks on March 14, 2011, 03:48:13 PM
Sorry this is happening to KJ. I hope everything turns out alright on all fronts.
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: MEP on March 14, 2011, 03:49:00 PM
So let me ask how many of you'll would like your personal business discussed in a public forum? I don't know what the man did nor do I care what he did...all I know is that this sort of speculation is dangerous as it affects the man's family. real maccomeh man bizness

When we ketching kicks off the the foreign players of the Manu or Chelsea or whoever else of that ilk...dais ok.  but when is one ah we own it unacceptable??

Whether we like it or not, KJ is a public figure unfortunately his private life ain't so private anymore.  It comes with the territory.....

As far as I know nothing has been publicly revealed so people only engaging in speculation and at this point the only person being harmed is the wife and kids.
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Coach on March 14, 2011, 04:01:19 PM
Alyu good yes,i tell you all long time leave the boy alone,after all what was said a few weeks ago about Kenwyn people have to just hush they mouth,the real storey is out so all the ifs, buts,ah hear and may bes done,we does guess too much and spreading a set of bad propaganda.

Everything that people said about Kenwyne still stands... this news doesn't change anything.  It puts his poor performance in perspective, but it doesn't excuse it.  Many of us have our own personal challenges and we don't have the luxury of going to work and pouting about it.  I sympathize with the fella without a doubt, and I pray that he and his family can weather this storm... but he is a professional and is expected to act as such. When he doesn't he'll get criticized... I know he's family, but that's just how it goes.

So many people are clueless on what it takes for a professional athlete to perform at his best!!
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: theworm2345 on March 14, 2011, 04:42:43 PM
As far as I know nothing has been publicly revealed so people only engaging in speculation and at this point the only person being harmed is the wife and kids.
There was a very revealing thread on this forum a year or so back regarding a girl from (I believe it was) Arima.
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: D.H.W on March 14, 2011, 04:56:08 PM
As far as I know nothing has been publicly revealed so people only engaging in speculation and at this point the only person being harmed is the wife and kids.
There was a very revealing thread on this forum a year or so back regarding a girl from (I believe it was) Arima.

yes, that was the thread i was talking about.
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: theworm2345 on March 14, 2011, 05:01:40 PM
As far as I know nothing has been publicly revealed so people only engaging in speculation and at this point the only person being harmed is the wife and kids.
There was a very revealing thread on this forum a year or so back regarding a girl from (I believe it was) Arima.

yes, that was the thread i was talking about.
Oops I didn't read the first page.
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Bakes on March 14, 2011, 06:53:44 PM
When we ketching kicks off the the foreign players of the Manu or Chelsea or whoever else of that ilk...dais ok.  but when is one ah we own it unacceptable??

Whether we like it or not, KJ is a public figure unfortunately his private life ain't so private anymore.  It comes with the territory.....

I guess this is where I different... I doh really care to read about who Rooney or Terry supposedly screwing either.  I simply try and avoid those threads.  There is a difference with KJ in that the man have family reading this site, both ones we know about and the ones we don't know about.  For that reason alone I think people need to be more considerate in their comments... and I'm not talking about for KJ's sake.

But me eh no moderator and I can't tell people what to post... I could only object when they do.
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Deeks on March 14, 2011, 07:03:13 PM
When we ketching kicks off the the foreign players of the Manu or Chelsea or whoever else of that ilk...dais ok.  but when is one ah we own it unacceptable??

Whether we like it or not, KJ is a public figure unfortunately his private life ain't so private anymore.  It comes with the territory.....

I guess this is where I different... I doh really care to read about who Rooney or Terry supposedly screwing either.  I simply try and avoid those threads.  There is a difference with KJ in that the man have family reading this site, both ones we know about and the ones we don't know about.  For that reason alone I think people need to be more considerate in their comments... and I'm not talking about for KJ's sake.

But me eh no moderator and I can't tell people what to post... I could only object when they do.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Socapro on March 14, 2011, 07:36:14 PM
I fell all yuh could start one (1) Kenwyne Jones thread and put everything there.

• Jones buss he toe.
• Jones eat ah young cymit and get colic.
• Jones get ketch horning and wife threatens divorce.
• Stoke coach to tell Jones he mudda c*#t.

Wha the f**k dread is every Monday morning is some sh!t wid he and not all of it is worth a brand new thread.

I already suggested to the Mods when I posted higher up to merge this thread! Guess they are a bit busy and haven't spotted this thread yet!

I think this thread should be merged with the Kenwyne Jone thread just here:

http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=52719.60

Now we can understand a bit better why Kenwyne hasn't been performing at his best recently!

He is coping with a divorce!

On 2nd thoughts maybe this thread hasn't been merged deliberately, in case it needs to be deleted if things get out of hand!  :beermug:
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Big Magician on March 14, 2011, 07:44:29 PM
agreed bakes...lets give support for the tnt son
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: Quags on March 14, 2011, 08:07:16 PM
kobe set the bar to high ,but buying something might work.
Title: Re: So the family crisis is revealed...
Post by: davyjenny1 on March 14, 2011, 08:12:13 PM
Yupp that was the case. For his sake I really hope he gets over it.

Its really tough for him though, as he has 3 little kids. His wife is Trini, which could mean the kids coming back if she chooses to leave the UK

Really tough to take on mentally

plus she might leave with half
And plus there maybe another half some wey bout on ether side of de goal post we eh know of. Allyuh ! leave the man biz alone
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: soccerman on March 15, 2011, 09:55:20 PM
KJ work out your situation and come back motivated to represent on the pitch
Title: Kenwyne interview after Wolves win
Post by: andre samuel on April 27, 2011, 07:25:39 AM
http://bcove.me/udfamj3y

I was very impressed with his fluidity and he seems to be maturing well.

ah love it!!
Title: Re: Kenwyne interview after Wolves win
Post by: Storeboy on April 27, 2011, 08:01:41 AM
Good interview!  He sounded intelligent and coherent; but did you get a little British accent creeping in?  That is always to be expected when a guy leaves home young and goes to another country.

 Keep working hard KJ.  We need you for the WC prelims.
Title: Re: Kenwyne interview after Wolves win
Post by: andre samuel on April 27, 2011, 09:47:10 AM
Good interview!  He sounded intelligent and coherent; but did you get a little British accent creeping in?  That is always to be expected when a guy leaves home young and goes to another country.

 Keep working hard KJ.  We need you for the WC prelims.

Yeah storeboy, i heard ah lil ting creeping in, but he sounding more like a "proper" talking Trini rather than British (like mr. naturally good)

lol
Title: Re: Kenwyne interview after Wolves win
Post by: kicker on April 27, 2011, 10:10:57 AM
Yeah storeboy, i heard ah lil ting creeping in, but he sounding more like a "proper" talking Trini rather than British (like mr. naturally good)

lol

Nathurally good..
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: injunchile on April 27, 2011, 10:30:01 AM
See what exposure can do ? You have to take your hats off to the Brits- They deal with total development not just with footballing skills.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: CK1 on April 27, 2011, 10:41:21 AM
See what exposure can do ? You have to take your hats off to the Brits- They deal with total development not just with footballing skills.
Brits don't develop anything...they take from others and claim it to be theirs!!!!
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Trinimassive on April 27, 2011, 10:52:45 AM
See what exposure can do ? You have to take your hats off to the Brits- They deal with total development not just with footballing skills.

If yuh mean exposure to good education in T&T then yes. The man went to St. Anthony's College in Trinidad yuh know.

That alone could make him one of the more educated players in the PFL  :beermug:

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on April 27, 2011, 11:24:21 AM
Man try to tell him his goal not important  ;D
KJ always speaks well, I don't think I would give credit to "the Brits"
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: andre samuel on April 27, 2011, 11:34:32 AM
Time in Briton didnt help everybody!!

Here are some of Jason Scotland's finest!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROwA0c0FasI
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dutty on April 27, 2011, 11:36:34 AM
See what exposure can do ? You have to take your hats off to the Brits- They deal with total development not just with footballing skills.

If yuh mean exposure to good education in T&T then yes. The man went to St. Anthony's College in Trinidad yuh know.

That alone could make him one of the more educated players in the PFL  :beermug:


:D
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Trinimassive on April 27, 2011, 11:46:36 AM
See what exposure can do ? You have to take your hats off to the Brits- They deal with total development not just with footballing skills.

If yuh mean exposure to good education in T&T then yes. The man went to St. Anthony's College in Trinidad yuh know.

That alone could make him one of the more educated players in the PFL  :beermug:


:D

And EPL  :devil:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: dinho on April 27, 2011, 12:12:32 PM
Time in Briton didnt help everybody!!

Here are some of Jason Scotland's finest!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROwA0c0FasI

The irony of this clip is that Leon Briton sound like he need more help than Scotty.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Preacher on April 27, 2011, 09:11:34 PM
Dihno explain your gif for me with Pep and Eto.  I keep trying to figure out the story behind it.  What's was Pep's scene? 
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Socapro on May 10, 2011, 06:12:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/dYoB0x-GJsQ
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: fitzinho on May 13, 2011, 08:01:43 AM
http://youtu.be/O6Fj10W5RCk (http://youtu.be/O6Fj10W5RCk)

Kj come off singing Beres yes lol
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: bingie man on May 13, 2011, 04:44:25 PM
 :beermug: :challenge: big tune!!
Title: Jones and Keisha.
Post by: Sando on May 13, 2011, 08:36:39 PM
Met up with a few close friends of KJ and we all know whats going on him and his wife, so I didn't think it was a big deal to post this.

His wife leave him and now KJ has found new life with his long time girl friend Keisha, I saw her driving a Lexus in Laventille Road, apparently she is pregnant with his child and he has engage her.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Sando on May 13, 2011, 08:38:19 PM
Met up with a few close friends of KJ and we all know whats going on him and his wife, so I didn't think it was a big deal to post this.

His wife leave him and now KJ has found new life with his long time girl friend Keisha, I saw her driving a Lexus in Laventille Road, apparently she is pregnant with his child and he has engage her.
Title: Re: Jones and Keisha.
Post by: weary1969 on May 13, 2011, 08:39:05 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: Jones and Keisha.
Post by: giggsy11 on May 13, 2011, 08:43:15 PM
::)



 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Jones and Keisha.
Post by: Socapro on May 13, 2011, 09:52:23 PM
::)

Exactly!

Did we need a new thread for his!?  ::)
Title: Re: Jones and Keisha.
Post by: Quags on May 13, 2011, 09:59:02 PM
Come nah man Sando tomorrow the mans playing in the FA Cup final jed ,delete this shit till next week nah . Didnt you get the memo ,no negative vibes till next week.
Title: Re: Jones and Keisha.
Post by: lefty on May 13, 2011, 10:10:37 PM
Come nah man Sando tomorrow the mans playing in the FA Cup final jed ,delete this shit till next week nah . Didnt you get the memo ,no negative vibes till next week.

he was ah washer woman in ah former life doh study it ::)
Title: Re: Jones and Keisha.
Post by: congo on May 13, 2011, 11:07:09 PM
Ammmmm....How can this new girl be his 'longtime" girlfriend if he and his wife been together since he was 17 ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Jones and Keisha.
Post by: Quags on May 14, 2011, 12:45:17 AM
Ammmmm....How can this new girl be his 'longtime" girlfriend if he and his wife been together since he was 17 ??? ??? ???
so what you never had a girl before seventeen... man kill this talk nah.
Title: Re: Jones and Keisha.
Post by: Eldo man on May 14, 2011, 01:41:28 AM
Leave de man personal business alone. talk foot-ball talk only. Is one thing to tell de mah he is ah lazy man. But doh bring de mah personal business on de forum. So what if ah man done with one gul and have ah next! When yuh playing ball at de top level and making money yuh could get what yuh want. leave de feller alone. Bull them KJ.
Title: Re: Jones and Keisha.
Post by: Coop's on May 14, 2011, 02:23:27 AM
Alyu good yes!!
Title: Re: Jones and Keisha.
Post by: congo on May 14, 2011, 02:53:58 AM
Ammmmm....How can this new girl be his 'longtime" girlfriend if he and his wife been together since he was 17 ??? ??? ???
so what you never had a girl before seventeen... man kill this talk nah.

So I guess you interpreted it as "long ago" because I interpreted it as long time meaning that they together for "months" or even "years". It's just the words I'm clarifying not the actions.. :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: Jones and Keisha.
Post by: Ngozi on May 14, 2011, 03:32:38 AM
shoot i doh care either way!
Title: Re: Jones and Keisha.
Post by: davyjenny1 on May 14, 2011, 03:33:56 AM
I really thought Tallman was the go too  man on here.
Ah trini ah trini ah trini ah trini
Title: Re: Jones and Keisha.
Post by: congo on May 14, 2011, 04:17:55 AM
Steups...I don't see what the big deal is anyway. He's a public figure and it comes with the territory. I don't find this subject should be treated as if it's taboo. When Rooney and Terry make headlines. Every tom, dick and harry had a joke to make about their situation. What makes this situation any different? It's one of our own? Or is it that's who we are? We're afraid to speak about it when it hits close to home?? :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Sando on May 14, 2011, 05:47:37 AM
Ammmmm....How can this new girl be his 'longtime" girlfriend if he and his wife been together since he was 17 ??? ??? ???

He was cheating with this girl and his wife found out thats why she left him. The girl is living a sweet life in T&T, a Lexus and a Laurel, nice house too.

She went to England and met up with Jones and his wife found out. His wife still lives where Jones use to live while playing for Sunderland.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: dinho on May 14, 2011, 08:35:16 AM
Macomere man business.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: giggsy11 on May 14, 2011, 08:45:50 AM
Ah feel it people on this forum who obsessed with this fella!
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: D.H.W on May 14, 2011, 08:53:15 AM
Ammmmm....How can this new girl be his 'longtime" girlfriend if he and his wife been together since he was 17 ??? ??? ???

He was cheating with this girl and his wife found out thats why she left him. The girl is living a sweet life in T&T, a Lexus and a Laurel, nice house too.

She went to England and met up with Jones and his wife found out. His wife still lives where Jones use to live while playing for Sunderland.

the whole folder get open right there lol
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: lefty on May 14, 2011, 09:30:50 AM
Macomere man business.

you are correct sir ::)
Title: Re: Jones and Keisha.
Post by: Brownsugar on May 14, 2011, 10:04:19 AM
Steups...I don't see what the big deal is anyway. He's a public figure and it comes with the territory. I don't find this subject should be treated as if it's taboo. When Rooney and Terry make headlines. Every tom, dick and harry had a joke to make about their situation. What makes this situation any different? It's one of our own? Or is it that's who we are? We're afraid to speak about it when it hits close to home?? :-\ :-\

Same thing I saying a while now.....
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: congo on May 14, 2011, 11:01:52 AM
Still don"t see why some people being so "hush hush" with this. People get divorced and move on for whatever reasons. It happens. Like I said people laughed and made jokes about Tiger Woods, Rooney and John Terry. We call Jack Warner all kind of names here. I remember claims about "Hazel living in the Hyatt". How come this topic becomes "macomere" thing and taboo to mention? What makes it sooo different?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Quags on May 14, 2011, 01:08:48 PM
Still don"t see why some people being so "hush hush" with this. People get divorced and move on for whatever reasons. It happens. Like I said people laughed and made jokes about Tiger Woods, Rooney and John Terry. We call Jack Warner all kind of names here. I remember claims about "Hazel living in the Hyatt". How come this topic becomes "macomere" thing and taboo to mention? What makes it sooo different?
because he had a big game tday andif he clicked on,mit be a little shocng to see your lifeexposed
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: SUPA on May 14, 2011, 02:39:41 PM
Yuh see dat is y ah does lose it and want tuh send mey dawgs tuh find some ah all yuh. Ah like how all yuh defending Jones personal life, dat is very good. But when ah was saying tuh leave Latapy personal business off de forum, nuff ah all yuh had an attitude about dat. Dat is one ah de reason, ah does just read a lot and hardly post, too much ah of 2 face manikoo men round here. Bulllate fuh dem. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: congo on May 14, 2011, 05:08:23 PM
This what I'm saying. It can't be one rule for some and another for others. It's either we discuss all or we discuss none. On this forum, there have been discussions on the personal lives of politician, sportsmen and other persons in the public eye. Enough men here always making joke about how many girls Dwight and Lara "brush' or who they "brushing" and now all of a sudden personal life shouldn't be discussed?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Quags on May 14, 2011, 05:42:17 PM
NO MATTER GAME DONE ,YOUR FREE TO WALK AROUND THE FORUM.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: D.H.W on May 14, 2011, 05:50:46 PM
NO MATTER GAME DONE ,YOUR FREE TO WALK AROUND THE FORUM.

 :whip:
Title: Since K’win Jones is our top EPL player. . .
Post by: Cocorite on June 25, 2011, 09:47:52 PM
How do we best utilize him?
Our other forwards Baptist, Jorsling, Molino, Scotland, Peltier, et. al. eh really lighting up their leagues

Observer and all the pundits?
Title: Re: Since K’win Jones is our top EPL player. . .
Post by: D.H.W on June 25, 2011, 10:09:38 PM
learn to cross better. edit: Jones need good service. T&T cah cross for shit
Title: Re: Since K’win Jones is our top EPL player. . .
Post by: davidephraim on June 26, 2011, 07:02:44 PM
learn to cross better. edit: Jones need good service. T&T cah cross for shit
Precisely. That aspect of our game is and has for a long time been lacking. Rolls Royce was about de best at getting down de wing and bringing it in and even his crosses were sub standard. Dey try a ting with Evans Wise.. well lets not get into dat.  Learn to cross de dam ball if we are to expect headers and touch in goals in de box!
Title: Is Kenwyne Jones position in jeopardy?
Post by: Storeboy on August 17, 2011, 10:50:49 AM
Stoke City in 'last bid' for Spurs duo Crouch & Palacios
Peter Crouch and Wilson Palacios.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/s/stoke_city/9560744.stm

Stoke City have made a final offer to Tottenham for striker Peter Crouch and midfielder Wilson Palacios.
Title: Re: Is Kenwyne Jones position in jeopardy?
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 17, 2011, 10:55:24 AM
Nope!!
Title: Re: Is Kenwyne Jones position in jeopardy?
Post by: de_redman on August 17, 2011, 12:05:04 PM
No! Fact is Kenwyne and Jon Walters are the only fit strikers the club has...
Title: Re: Is Kenwyne Jones position in jeopardy?
Post by: madness on August 17, 2011, 12:08:19 PM
not in jeopardy
Title: Re: Is Kenwyne Jones position in jeopardy?
Post by: elan on August 17, 2011, 01:10:17 PM
Spurs looking to pick up Adebayor.
Title: Re: Is Kenwyne Jones position in jeopardy?
Post by: dinho on August 17, 2011, 01:33:29 PM
Stoke mission is to stock the side with as many tall men and wild men as possible.. I think they start the last game with 4 centre backs..

The more the merrier.
Title: Re: Is Kenwyne Jones position in jeopardy?
Post by: just cool on August 17, 2011, 04:19:28 PM
From what i read, they were in for rodelliaga or what ever his name is (the fella that show up scotty)  :devil:. right now stoke only have two fit strikers, KJ and walters. that's it, the squad down to the bare marrow.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Jayerson on August 18, 2011, 01:21:54 PM
Stoke just beat F.C. Thun 1 - 0 in the Europa League, in Switzerland. Kenwynne was taken off in the 66th minute.
Title: Jones has some competition up top !!!
Post by: saint27 on August 31, 2011, 06:13:20 PM
So Kenwyne have a lil competition this season with the arrivals of Crouch and Jerome ....he hadda work hard or might find himself park on d bench .....wonder what Kenwyne we will see for the rest of the season
Title: Re: Jones has some competition up top !!!
Post by: Cocorite on August 31, 2011, 06:20:42 PM
So Kenwyne have a lil competition this season with the arrivals of Crouch and Jerome ....he hadda work hard or might find himself park on d bench .....wonder what Kenwyne we will see for the rest of the season

It's all good. I expect him to up his game.
Title: Re: Jones has some competition up top !!!
Post by: saint27 on August 31, 2011, 06:28:49 PM
Hopefully this will give him a lil more drive ..... Cuz any 4 of the forwards could start at any time in any partnership
Title: Re: Jones has some competition up top !!!
Post by: mukumsplau on August 31, 2011, 06:33:51 PM
they need the depth since theyll b in europe
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on August 31, 2011, 07:42:46 PM
So who is better between KJ and Crouch? 
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: trini_stallion on August 31, 2011, 08:39:42 PM
So who is better between KJ and Crouch? 

that aint even ah worthy comparison...crouch is ah SHITTTTHONG!!!

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 01, 2011, 07:52:12 AM
So who is better between KJ and Crouch? 

When last you see KJ miss a point blank header like Crouch did this weekend against Man City?  Crouch will only start if KJ needs a rest.  look fuh KJ and Jerome to be a regular tandem as the season progresses.  I agree with Stallion this question eh even worth an answer doh
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on September 01, 2011, 07:56:12 AM
KJ better at headers but Crouch is better with the ball at his feet.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 01, 2011, 08:06:20 AM
KJ better at headers but Crouch is better with the ball at his feet.

No argument there but until Stoke start playing ball consistently on the ground KJ is still the biggest and most potent threat.  Apart from that (despite the fee) I envison Jerome and KJ working in tandem.  Jerome better on the ground than both Crouch and KJ and will benefit from KJs play much like Bent at Sunderland.  Crouch is slower and a worse overall finisher, I just cant understand why these managers love him so nah.  he is ah rank shithong to me!!
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mose on September 01, 2011, 08:38:23 AM
KJ better at headers but Crouch is better with the ball at his feet.

No argument there but until Stoke start playing ball consistently on the ground KJ is still the biggest and most potent threat.  Apart from that (despite the fee) I envison Jerome and KJ working in tandem.  Jerome better on the ground than both Crouch and KJ and will benefit from KJs play much like Bent at Sunderland.  Crouch is slower and a worse overall finisher, I just cant understand why these managers love him so nah.  he is ah rank shithong to me!!

They like Crouch's height despite the fact that he's NOT good in the air. Might be interesting to see him AND KJ in the same lineup though. Two really tall strikers who are also good with the ball at their feet.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 01, 2011, 08:51:43 AM
They like Crouch's height despite the fact that he's NOT good in the air.
U are right and that makes dem look stupid because only half decent aeirial ability at 6'5" and higher is a waste.  Unless they plan to bombard teams with missiles thru the air he and KJ not gonna be on together and barring injury dat guy have nutten atall on KJ even with slightly better ball controlling ability.  Waste of money on Pulis part.  Better he did go back fuh Carew (where de hell is he anyway?).
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: kicker on September 01, 2011, 09:21:58 AM
Crouch strength in the air is redirecting long balls to runners in the run of play- he very good at that, which is why he was a 100% stater for Tott in their CL campaign last season (and not always domestically) - sides from the continent had a hard time dealing with that big man target (until he pelt two chupid blade against Madrid, and it all fell apart) - in the box though Crouch seems to prefer the ball at his feet (unless he have a dreadlocks tuh hold on to  ;D)... To me KJ is good at both, redirecting the long balls, and attacking the aerial balls in the box...His on the ground game is very basic- lay off and clear the channel....so I doh see how dem two gonna complement eachother.  I think KJ will thrive best in a lone striker scenario or a big man/small man pairing...and tuh be honest, Stoke game is built around KJ - Pulis is a simple, direct manager, not trying to punch above his weight like Steve Bruce attempting to acquire "skill players" to play a more sophisticated more complex approach game...

At the moment iz KJ and any odder 10 it look like. 
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on September 01, 2011, 09:47:18 AM
No argument there but until Stoke start playing ball consistently on the ground KJ is still the biggest and most potent threat.  Apart from that (despite the fee) I envison Jerome and KJ working in tandem.  Jerome better on the ground than both Crouch and KJ and will benefit from KJs play much like Bent at Sunderland.  Crouch is slower and a worse overall finisher, I just cant understand why these managers love him so nah.  he is ah rank shithong to me!!

I can't believe men still making this argument after the way the situations have played out for both teams.  Yes, I'm sure Bent 'benefitted' from KJ's play the way any striker would from having another threat on his team alongside.... but the implication has always been that "if not for KJ Bent woulda never score all dem goals".  Bent has scored everywhere he's been, regardless as to which team and who's on the field.  The man know how to position himself to poach goals.  Bent scored 25 goals alongside KJ (assuming they were both on the field all the time) and 20 goals the season after KJ moved on to Stoke (11 w/Sunderland, 9 with Villa).  Kenwyne's game has never benefitted any other player to the great extent allyuh trying to make it.

And Crouch is still a very good player, man just hating on him fuh what happen in Germany 5 yrs ago.  He's deadly with both head and feet and moves better off the ball.  Crouch's header at City might have been 'point blank' as you say (which it wasn't), but by no means was it a sitter... he tried to place it far post past Hart and just missed by about a foot or less.  Happens all the time.

They like Crouch's height despite the fact that he's NOT good in the air. Might be interesting to see him AND KJ in the same lineup though. Two really tall strikers who are also good with the ball at their feet.

Since when is Crouch not good in the air?  Since when is KJ good with the ball at his feet for that matter?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 01, 2011, 10:32:01 AM
I can't believe men still making this argument after the way the situations have played out for both teams.  Yes, I'm sure Bent 'benefitted' from KJ's play the way any striker would from having another threat on his team alongside.... but the implication has always been that "if not for KJ Bent woulda never score all dem goals".  Bent has scored everywhere he's been, regardless as to which team and who's on the field.  The man know how to position himself to poach goals.  Bent scored 25 goals alongside KJ (assuming they were both on the field all the time) and 20 goals the season after KJ moved on to Stoke (11 w/Sunderland, 9 with Villa).  Kenwyne's game has never benefitted any other player to the great extent allyuh trying to make it.

And Crouch is still a very good player, man just hating on him fuh what happen in Germany 5 yrs ago.  He's deadly with both head and feet and moves better off the ball.  Crouch's header at City might have been 'point blank' as you say (which it wasn't), but by no means was it a sitter... he tried to place it far post past Hart and just missed by about a foot or less.  Happens all the time.

They like Crouch's height despite the fact that he's NOT good in the air. Might be interesting to see him AND KJ in the same lineup though. Two really tall strikers who are also good with the ball at their feet.

Since when is Crouch not good in the air?  Since when is KJ good with the ball at his feet for that matter?

Hoss I never cared about what he did in Germany enough to hold that against him.  He did what many other players would have done if they thought they could get away with it.  Against City you could say what yuh want but dat was goal if was KJ.  As fuh de Bent thing you could see it how yuh want but notice it decreased the next season though.  I doh understand why people like try to diminish KJ contribution when even Bent himself said he loved playing alonside KJ and aluded to the very same benefit that I suggested.  Either way is all opinions, u have urs I have mine.  :beermug:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mose on September 01, 2011, 10:39:46 AM
I've never found Crouch to be 'good in the air'. Despite the fact that he's 6'7" or thereabouts. Maybe it's because he's so tall that he seems worse than he actually is. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the man can't head a ball but given his height he doesn't seem to be dominant in the air. And as I remember one commentator saying "Peter Crouch is the only player he's ever seen who seems to lose height when he jumps".

As for KJ, despite the fact that he's been used for his height and ability to win balls in the air, I find he has pretty decent ball control (though he's been criticized for having a heavy first touch). I'm thinking about some of the passes and layoffs in the box I saw him make last season and a couple of runs he made in some of his better games for Stoke last season (don't remember the specific games).
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on September 01, 2011, 11:33:27 AM
Hoss I never cared about what he did in Germany enough to hold that against him.  He did what many other players would have done if they thought they could get away with it.  Against City you could say what yuh want but dat was goal if was KJ.  As fuh de Bent thing you could see it how yuh want but notice it decreased the next season though.  I doh understand why people like try to diminish KJ contribution when even Bent himself said he loved playing alonside KJ and aluded to the very same benefit that I suggested.  Either way is all opinions, u have urs I have mine.  :beermug:

That drop off of 5 goals easily could be attributed to him moving to Villa in the middle of the season and trying to fit into a new system... he still managed to score 9 goals in just 16 appearances for villa, in keeping with the 11 in 23 games for Sunderland that same year.  I not at all trying to diminish KJ's effect at Sunderland, I just find it ludicrous for man to imply that he made Bent into the player he was at Sunderland when Bent is and has always been that player, a born goal scorer.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 02, 2011, 07:15:42 AM
That drop off of 5 goals easily could be attributed to him moving to Villa in the middle of the season and trying to fit into a new system... he still managed to score 9 goals in just 16 appearances for villa, in keeping with the 11 in 23 games for Sunderland that same year.  I not at all trying to diminish KJ's effect at Sunderland, I just find it ludicrous for man to imply that he made Bent into the player he was at Sunderland when Bent is and has always been that player, a born goal scorer.

I fuhget U is ah 3 Lions fan eh, ah really did.  Nobody eh say he make Bent hoss.  All I say is Jerome stand to benefit similarly to how Bent did during the partnership.  And doh matter wha yuh say Bent take he own mouth and said he enjoy playing with KJ because it free him up.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on September 02, 2011, 07:55:51 AM
I fuhget U is ah 3 Lions fan eh, ah really did.  Nobody eh say he make Bent hoss.  All I say is Jerome stand to benefit similarly to how Bent did during the partnership.  And doh matter wha yuh say Bent take he own mouth and said he enjoy playing with KJ because it free him up.

I support TnT first of all... so I dunno what me being ah England supporter have to do with anything.  Funny yuh should say nobody say he make Bent... I seem to recall you yuhself saying as much, albeit in another thread.  Of course Bent go say he enjoy playing with KJ... yuh expect him tuh say otherwise?  Come nah man... lol
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: ON DE BLOCK on September 02, 2011, 08:09:53 AM
looking forward to see KJ no hand back flip, meaning, buss bermuda net an start the road to brazil with a bang in group B.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Coop's on September 02, 2011, 08:21:25 AM
My take on this situation is this,regardless to what we think and feel about Crouch he is an English international and where ever he goes they will have to find a place for him to play on a regular basis,wheather it's starting or coming off the bench,having good games or playing bad.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 02, 2011, 09:11:00 AM
I fuhget U is ah 3 Lions fan eh, ah really did.  Nobody eh say he make Bent hoss.  All I say is Jerome stand to benefit similarly to how Bent did during the partnership.  And doh matter wha yuh say Bent take he own mouth and said he enjoy playing with KJ because it free him up.

I support TnT first of all... so I dunno what me being ah England supporter have to do with anything.  Funny yuh should say nobody say he make Bent... I seem to recall you yuhself saying as much, albeit in another thread.  Of course Bent go say he enjoy playing with KJ... yuh expect him tuh say otherwise?  Come nah man... lol

U like a f**kin elephant eh lmao.  Wey ah say dat sucka?!!  Anyhow yuh right eh is nuh like he couldna just say it works an is good instead ah talkin bout how much he love it  ;D  Now stop derailin de friggin thread wid yuh Bent tawk dis is about shit pot Crouch being as good as KJ overall
Title: Jones continues to miss.
Post by: frico on September 07, 2011, 03:51:17 AM
Kenwyn Jones might be playing in the EPL and scores some goals from time to time,he is no way prolific as we know,he is now back trying to help TT qualify for Brazil 2014 but he continues to be our most prolific when it comes too missing easy goals.Jones was also our most prolific "misser"in our attempt to qualify for South Africa and had he taken half those chances we would have gone to SA,he is now our captain so the missing may continue for some time unless he is put in midfield.He missed 3 sitters against Bim and also missed at least 2 easy ones against Bermuda,he shouldn't be our first choice striker,I hope Otto Pfister can make that change.How can any supporter be happy with our first 2 matches when we are left to hope that we improve,if we continue the way we are presently playing Guyana may top this group,its a reality and we cant keep kidding ourselves that we are waiting to gel because our core players have played together for 180 minutes and are off again until November,too much talk has been placed on gelling,the main reason for our lame performances is our inability to put away easy chances and that may come back to haunt us.I bloody well hope it doesn't,please Mr.Pfister move Jones to mid field,he may not have the oppurtunity to miss somany easy chances.
Title: Re: Jones continues to miss.
Post by: andre samuel on September 07, 2011, 04:59:55 AM
Kenwyn Jones might be playing in the EPL and scores some goals from time to time,he is no way prolific as we know,he is now back trying to help TT qualify for Brazil 2014 but he continues to be our most prolific when it comes too missing easy goals.Jones was also our most prolific "misser"in our attempt to qualify for South Africa and had he taken half those chances we would have gone to SA,he is now our captain so the missing may continue for some time unless he is put in midfield.He missed 3 sitters against

Total rubbish!!

Here we go again!!
Title: Re: Jones continues to miss.
Post by: Dumplingdinho on September 07, 2011, 05:05:45 AM
frico,

did u see the "sitters" KJ missed?
Title: Re: Jones continues to miss.
Post by: davidephraim on September 07, 2011, 05:16:50 AM
Kenwyn Jones might be playing in the EPL and scores some goals from time to time,he is no way prolific as we know,he is now back trying to help TT qualify for Brazil 2014 but he continues to be our most prolific when it comes too missing easy goals.Jones was also our most prolific "misser"in our attempt to qualify for South Africa and had he taken half those chances we would have gone to SA,he is now our captain so the missing may continue for some time unless he is put in midfield.He missed 3 sitters against

Total rubbish!!

Here we go again!!

We could only get dis for free!
Title: Re: Jones continues to miss.
Post by: Fyzoman on September 07, 2011, 05:35:10 AM
Kenwyn Jones might be playing in the EPL and scores some goals from time to time,he is no way prolific as we know,he is now back trying to help TT qualify for Brazil 2014 but he continues to be our most prolific when it comes too missing easy goals.Jones was also our most prolific "misser"in our attempt to qualify for South Africa and had he taken half those chances we would have gone to SA,he is now our captain so the missing may continue for some time unless he is put in midfield.He missed 3 sitters against

Total rubbish!!

Here we go again!!

We could only get dis for free!

ENT!!! dem fellahs rel jokey yes!!!!!

So Otto and all ah dem other EPL coaches dat KJ had/have basically clueless and you Mr. Frico know best how to utilize KJ's skill? And dat is by playin him in de midfield?
Why we eh just drop him him and done cause chances are he might get chances from there too and miss ;)
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Deeks on September 07, 2011, 06:24:45 AM
I understand where Frico coming with KJ. There is concern here. We can't wait for KJ to gel. He needs to score them goals. I for one eh underestimating Guyana. Yes I still have meh Trini swagger. But that swagger is all talk for now. We have to back that by scoring goals. Take all our chances and win.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: frico on September 07, 2011, 07:21:06 AM
I understand where Frico coming with KJ. There is concern here. We can't wait for KJ to gel. He needs to score them goals. I for one eh underestimating Guyana. Yes I still have meh Trini swagger. But that swagger is all talk for now. We have to back that by scoring goals. Take all our chances and win.
Straight up man,you unstan what I am saying,the bottom line is KJ missing too many sitters for TT AND THAT STARTED SINCE OUR QUALIFICATION FOR SOUTH AFRICA.Someone asked whether I saw the misses he had against Bim,no I didn't but arn't we supposed to believe the commies,furthermore I saw KJ with blatant misses against everybody in our last HEX,in the EPL he misses 4 or 5 but gets 1.
Deeks said he still got his "Trini swagger",I may have lost that swagger but I still love TT,the bottom line is as DEEKS say "KJ have to start putting chances away",I am sure Otto wont accept that for too long. 8)
Title: Re: Kenwyne jones.
Post by: frico on September 07, 2011, 07:26:45 AM
Dude is a loofer! During the match on Saturday Stokes had a break and instead of bussin a gut to be a target in the area for a cross or pass, dude was joggin forward like he didn't want to receive the ball for a play. Seen he do that a few times which is why I was surprise when I read that he was considered one of the fastest in the league. When did he ever turn the burners on to be considered one of the fastest? I think sometimes he doesn't put him self in positions to receive the ball because he may not want the responsibility of having to make a play with the ball. Players find ways to hide on the feild when they don't want to receive the ball in positive areas.
I saw that with a friend and both ah  we cuss,he cyah carry on like that.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: 100% Barataria on September 07, 2011, 07:29:11 AM
KJ really missed two fairly easy sitters for a striker plying his trade in one of the best leagues in the globe, remind me of a Saturday sweat in NYC, has to do better at this level
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: fitzinho on September 07, 2011, 08:13:24 AM
Every armchair fan can be a professional coach/critic...such a beautiful thing
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 07, 2011, 08:59:44 AM
Dis asshole talk eh even worth ah response really nah.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: kicker on September 07, 2011, 09:05:52 AM
KJ really missed two fairly easy sitters for a striker plying his trade in one of the best leagues in the globe, remind me of a Saturday sweat in NYC, has to do better at this level

I eh tryin' tuh make excuses fuh de man eh, but both chances it look like the turf kinda mess up his touch on the ball. 
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Midknight on September 07, 2011, 10:31:25 AM
Dis asshole talk eh even worth ah response really nah.

Dwight get he pong, Stern get he pong, who is KJ to get exempt from licks?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: frico on September 07, 2011, 10:39:15 AM
Every armchair fan can be a professional coach/critic...such a beautiful thing
I think deep down everyone wants to see Jones become a matchwinner,he has the attributes and the feeling is that he does not try hard enough,that fact has been seen blatantly in the EPL.There will always be armchair coaches and post mortems  after games in which your heart is deeply sunk into,we get vex but no harm intended,that will never stop.There are some very good posters on this MB and I am sure there are some good coaches,most people can read a game its not rocket science. 8)
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Deeks on September 07, 2011, 10:47:06 AM
Dis asshole talk eh even worth ah response really nah.

Dwight get he pong, Stern get he pong, who is KJ to get exempt from licks?

You saying so now. If B'dos had come back and win 3-2, it would have been a different story. In the last Hex we screwed up against El Sal. We should have beaten them in their own stadium. We missed goals including the sky-high penalty. We were lucky to come out with a draw. KJ eh no rookie. I will only make excuse for him because the ttff messed up with the prep. I hope he ready for GT. Me eh want to hear excuses for future games. This is real. No experiment excuse, I just come down from the cold excuse, we still gelling, etc....
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on September 07, 2011, 10:50:22 AM
Dis asshole talk eh even worth ah response really nah.

Dwight get he pong, Stern get he pong, who is KJ to get exempt from licks?

I not refferin to dat breds.  Bigger names dan all yuh mentioned does take heat.  And bigger than him have missed even easier opportunities or pushed a ball a little too far on what would be considered immaculate pitches, so by all means pong away.  What struck me as rell shit was "the missing may continue for some time unless he is put in midfield"  Why on earth should KJ be played in midfield?  If dat eh de height ah assholishness den me eh kno what is nah.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: kev on September 07, 2011, 10:58:38 AM
Hoss I never cared about what he did in Germany enough to hold that against him.  He did what many other players would have done if they thought they could get away with it.  Against City you could say what yuh want but dat was goal if was KJ.  As fuh de Bent thing you could see it how yuh want but notice it decreased the next season though.  I doh understand why people like try to diminish KJ contribution when even Bent himself said he loved playing alonside KJ and aluded to the very same benefit that I suggested.  Either way is all opinions, u have urs I have mine.  :beermug:

That drop off of 5 goals easily could be attributed to him moving to Villa in the middle of the season and trying to fit into a new system... he still managed to score 9 goals in just 16 appearances for villa, in keeping with the 11 in 23 games for Sunderland that same year.  I not at all trying to diminish KJ's effect at Sunderland, I just find it ludicrous for man to imply that he made Bent into the player he was at Sunderland when Bent is and has always been that player, a born goal scorer.

The drop off in goals was down to him wanting a move nothing more nothing less.  At the time , and tbf at the start of the season he had niggling injuries, but in November / December he wasn't doing what he normally did, chase etc. Indeed in the Newcastle match I thought he was injured because there was a couple of occasions he just didn't really try for a ball you would normally expect him to compete for if not win.  There was more in that move than money and still don't know what it was (although he was/is giving Bruce's daughter some service allegedly).  I don't know waht goes on with Bruce and strikers Kenwyne, Bent and now Gyan, maybe he upsets them because of the way he sets the team up.  Pulis is a strange manager so god knows who he'll play, but you do know how they'll play.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on September 07, 2011, 11:34:43 AM
The drop off in goals was down to him wanting a move nothing more nothing less.  At the time , and tbf at the start of the season he had niggling injuries, but in November / December he wasn't doing what he normally did, chase etc. Indeed in the Newcastle match I thought he was injured because there was a couple of occasions he just didn't really try for a ball you would normally expect him to compete for if not win.  There was more in that move than money and still don't know what it was (although he was/is giving Bruce's daughter some service allegedly).  I don't know waht goes on with Bruce and strikers Kenwyne, Bent and now Gyan, maybe he upsets them because of the way he sets the team up.  Pulis is a strange manager so god knows who he'll play, but you do know how they'll play.

LOL... allyuh men ain't easy  :rotfl:  When yuh say 'service', yuh mean like cross balls and thing? lol

As for Bruce... he's one of them old school managers, or at least he fancies himself one.  They like to criticize their players in the press... not sure if he's done this with Gyan, but certainly with KJ and Bent.  Not every player will respond to that sort of approach.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Midknight on September 07, 2011, 12:50:26 PM
Dis asshole talk eh even worth ah response really nah.

Dwight get he pong, Stern get he pong, who is KJ to get exempt from licks?

You saying so now. If B'dos had come back and win 3-2, it would have been a different story. In the last Hex we screwed up against El Sal. We should have beaten them in their own stadium. We missed goals including the sky-high penalty. We were lucky to come out with a draw. KJ eh no rookie. I will only make excuse for him because the ttff messed up with the prep. I hope he ready for GT. Me eh want to hear excuses for future games. This is real. No experiment excuse, I just come down from the cold excuse, we still gelling, etc....

I take it yuh quote me by accident right?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Midknight on September 07, 2011, 12:51:42 PM
Dis asshole talk eh even worth ah response really nah.

Dwight get he pong, Stern get he pong, who is KJ to get exempt from licks?

I not refferin to dat breds.  Bigger names dan all yuh mentioned does take heat.  And bigger than him have missed even easier opportunities or pushed a ball a little too far on what would be considered immaculate pitches, so by all means pong away.  What struck me as rell shit was "the missing may continue for some time unless he is put in midfield"  Why on earth should KJ be played in midfield?  If dat eh de height ah assholishness den me eh kno what is nah.

oh ok yeah...i onboard with u all the way den :D
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: kev on September 08, 2011, 08:54:55 AM
The drop off in goals was down to him wanting a move nothing more nothing less.  At the time , and tbf at the start of the season he had niggling injuries, but in November / December he wasn't doing what he normally did, chase etc. Indeed in the Newcastle match I thought he was injured because there was a couple of occasions he just didn't really try for a ball you would normally expect him to compete for if not win.  There was more in that move than money and still don't know what it was (although he was/is giving Bruce's daughter some service allegedly).  I don't know waht goes on with Bruce and strikers Kenwyne, Bent and now Gyan, maybe he upsets them because of the way he sets the team up.  Pulis is a strange manager so god knows who he'll play, but you do know how they'll play.

LOL... allyuh men ain't easy  :rotfl:  When yuh say 'service', yuh mean like cross balls and thing? lol

As for Bruce... he's one of them old school managers, or at least he fancies himself one.  They like to criticize their players in the press... not sure if he's done this with Gyan, but certainly with KJ and Bent.  Not every player will respond to that sort of approach.

If thats giving her one then yes.

Yes he has done it to Gyan aswell and has even said the 2 kids are just kids so won't be any good for another 18 months or so,  (as an excuse) not exactly great man management.
Title: Manchester United fan fined £200 for racially abusing Kenwyne Jones
Post by: Tallman on February 08, 2012, 12:13:29 PM
Manchester United fan fined £200 for racially abusing Kenwyne Jones
Press Association


A Manchester United fan who shouted racist abuse at a black player has been fined £200 and banned from football matches for three years.

Howard Hobson, 57, shouted the abuse and made monkey noises at Stoke City's Trinidad-born player Kenwyne Jones during the first half at Old Trafford on 31 January, Trafford magistrates court heard.

The defendant was asked to explain his actions by JPs after pleading guilty to a single charge of a racially aggravated public order offence.

"I'm not racist," he told the bench. "I have coloured people in my family and most of my best mates are coloured. I don't know what came over me. I'm deeply sorry."

After the half-time interval when Hobson returned to his seat he was spoken to by stewards and taken away and then transferred to a police station in Salford.

Hobson, of Weaver Walk, Openshaw, Manchester, who is not a season-ticket holder at Old Trafford, told officers he had come to the match straight from his job as a fork lift truck driver and drank four bottles of beer but was not drunk.

He admitted making some comments about the Stoke player "in the heat of the moment" and accepted he used the words "black bastard". He said he could not remember using the words "wog" or "monkey" but accepted what the witness had reported him as saying.

Rachel Goode, mitigating, said the defendant was "extremely embarrassed" by his behaviour.

"He has serious concerns he will lose his job as a result of this," she told the bench. "He can't really explain his actions on that day. It's out of character for him. He has family and friends of mixed race and he's now branded a racist."

Hobson was fined £200 and ordered to pay a £15 victim surcharge and £85 court costs. The football banning order means he is not allowed to enter a football ground in England and Wales for three years or he could be arrested and he must surrender his passport when England play internationals abroad.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/SPORT/Pix/pictures/2012/2/8/1328713968140/Howard-Hobson-007.jpg)
Title: Re: Manchester United fan fined £200 for racially abusing Kenwyne Jones
Post by: Andre on February 08, 2012, 12:32:11 PM
^^^^

that is what a c*nt look like my virgin friends.

notice the resemblance to john terry.
Title: Re: Manchester United fan fined £200 for racially abusing Kenwyne Jones
Post by: elan on February 08, 2012, 12:52:33 PM
Daiz ok is Man United and KJ lazy anyways.
Title: Re: Manchester United fan fined £200 for racially abusing Kenwyne Jones
Post by: Bakes on February 08, 2012, 01:01:26 PM
Man United?  Can't be... they musse make ah mistake, everybody know is only Liverpool have de racist fans.  Ent Triniairman?
Title: Re: Manchester United fan fined £200 for racially abusing Kenwyne Jones
Post by: Dutty on February 08, 2012, 01:02:33 PM
My boy use de standard 'I have black cullud friends' defense oui

dosent anybody say 'sen dem back to africa' no more?
Title: Re: Manchester United fan fined £200 for racially abusing Kenwyne Jones
Post by: triniairman on February 08, 2012, 05:12:50 PM
Man United?  Can't be... they musse make ah mistake, everybody know is only Liverpool have de racist fans.  Ent Triniairman?
Same story from the other day, you brought this up already...nothing new!
Title: Re: Manchester United fan fined £200 for racially abusing Kenwyne Jones
Post by: triniairman on February 08, 2012, 05:25:01 PM
Daiz ok is Man United and KJ lazy anyways.
He look like Kenny and Suarez too  :devil:
Title: Re: Manchester United fan fined £200 for racially abusing Kenwyne Jones
Post by: frico on February 08, 2012, 05:35:47 PM
You could actually spot this man coming over the horizon as a racist, the ugly bastard looks like a slim down version to that well known racist comedian Bernard Manning also from Manchester,happily de c**t is now dead.
Title: Re: Manchester United fan fined £200 for racially abusing Kenwyne Jones
Post by: Observer on February 08, 2012, 05:45:05 PM
^^^^

that is what a c*nt look like my virgin friends.

notice the resemblance to john terry.

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Manchester United fan fined £200 for racially abusing Kenwyne Jones
Post by: palos on February 08, 2012, 07:06:14 PM
^^^^

that is what a c*nt look like my virgin friends.

notice the resemblance to john terry.

LOL!  Ent!  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Manchester United fan fined £200 for racially abusing Kenwyne Jones
Post by: kaliman2006 on February 10, 2012, 05:58:56 PM
My boy use de standard 'I have black cullud friends' defense oui

dosent anybody say 'sen dem back to africa' no more?

Never mind that, I eh even realize, people use the word "coloured" to describe people of African descent anymore. On the topic, Kenwyne will just have to take this in stride. There will always be racist people in the world.
Title: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Flex on March 05, 2012, 05:40:41 AM
Best headers in the game

Stoke Ken-wyne Without Jones but is Crouch the Answer?
by Martin Laurence
Tuesday, Sep 13 2011 


In terms of the Premier League's most aerially dominant strikers, the usual suspects made the line-up from last season, and unsurprisingly, Stoke were well represented. The Potters have since added the lankiest of them all in Peter Crouch, joining the ranks alongside the likes of Kenwyne Jones and Jonathan Walters at the Britannia.

The England international immediately took his place in the starting XI to make his debut against one of a long list of former clubs in Liverpool, somewhat surprisingly at the expense of Jones. Stoke pulled off a great win over a flying Liverpool side though Crouch’s, and previously Jones’ partner Walters proved to be the match-winner from the spot. The decision from Tony Pulis will be seen as an early indicator that he will not be playing two out-and-out target men in the same team, but is Crouch really more effective than Jones?

Who Scored investigates the leading large front men from 2010/11 season still to be playing in the Premier League based on their ability to win aerial duels. Stoke's front pairing of Jones and Walters both make the top 20 in the league from last year, with the former unparalleled across the entire division, and most interestingly, winning considerably more in the air than Crouch.

1. Kenwyne Jones
Headers Won per game (2010/11): 6.82


Stoke City are renowned for their no nonsense approach to getting the ball up to their strikers, into the box and in turn, preferably into the net. Their forwards are not the only ones to benefit from such an approach with the likes of Robert Huth and Ryan Shawcross representing significant goal threats from the back, but in Kenwyne Jones, Pulis and Stoke have a true target man to aim at. At 6'2" he is a full 5 inches shorter than his new teammate Crouch, though his incredible leap sees him outshine the Englishman in the air.

(http://164.177.157.12/img/blog/2011%2f9%2fJones-Stats-Study.jpg)

Last season the Trinidadian netted 6 goals with his head and won an incredible 225 aerial duels over the course of the season, leading the way in the league in terms of headers per game for any striker with 6.82 from his 33 starts. His aerial success rate of 58% may not seem spectacular but is highly effective given the defenders he faces- predominantly the taller of any oppositions centre halves.

In just 3 starts this season Jones has already opened his account with his head, winning 16 duels overall at a rate of 5.33 per game and a slightly improved success rate of 59%, proving that he may have been unfortunate to lose his place in the side last time out.

2. Andy Carroll
Headers Won per game (2010/11): 6.78


Just behind Jones in terms of headers won per game, Andy Carroll is an unsurprising inclusion on last year's leaderboard. At just 23, Carroll has the hopes of a nation, especially those from the red side of Liverpool, resting on his considerable sized shoulders- just a portion of his 6'3" frame. Making the switch from Newcastle to Anfield for £35m, Carroll has quite a price-tag to fulfil and it is fair to say he hasn't lived up to it yet but will be hoping to prove his worth under Dalglish this term.

In 23 starts overall last season, the majority of which came in the North East, Carroll netted an exceptional 5 headed efforts- just 1 less than leading man Jones from far fewer appearances. Overall he won 156 headers at a rate of 6.78 per game. His duel success rate of 54% is down on Jones’ but still mightily impressive and helped earn him his big money move in January. This season he has fallen out of favour somewhat, starting just 2 of his side's 4 matches and failing to score as of yet. In the air he has been his ever-dominant self though, winning 14 duels from his limited game time with a fantastic 82% success rate.

3. Kevin Davies
Headers Won per game (2010/11): 6.37


One could easily be forgiven for assuming that Bolton's talismanic captain Kevin Davies is somewhat of a man mountain due to his ability to win headers, knock downs and frustrate defenders along the way. In fact, the veteran is smallest of our top 6 at a mere 6'0", somewhat diminutive compared to the likes of Crouch, making his appearance as the third best front man in terms of headers won per game all the more impressive. Under Owen Coyle, Bolton are attempting to downplay their long ball image but the saying 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' comes to mind and in Davies they know they have an effective out ball.

Davies' importance to his side is highlighted by the fact that he played every game for the Trotters last term, though just 1 headed goal scored is an unspectacular and equally surprising statistic. Instead, Davies tended to master the knock down to a team mate with his head, winning more aerial duels overall than any other striker in the league with a magnificent 242, equating to 6.37 per game. Considering his decidedly average height for a target man, Davies' aerial success of 58%, equal to Jones, is the most impressive. This season he has been less effective in the air despite winning a decent 50% of his duels, with a lowly figure of 1.75 headers per game, indicative in the change of play that Coyle is attempting to introduce.

4. Leon Best
Headers Won per game (2010/11): 5.78


If there is one surprise inclusion on our leaderboard it is undoubtedly that of Newcastle's Leon Best. At 6'1" he is far from short but hardly your stereotypical tall target man. Best, interestingly brought up through the ranks at Southampton alongside a certain Kenwyne Jones, only made 9 starts for Newcastle last season, playing second, third and even fourth fiddle on occasion to the likes of Carroll at St. James' Park. The young strikers departure somewhat paved the way for Best to prove his worth last term and he did so sufficiently to earn his chance so far this time around.

A tally of 2 headed goals from his limited game time is a decent figure but bettered by the fact that he won a highly effective 5.78 duels per game having won 52 headers in said 9 starts. A 52% aerial success rate is also very encouraging for Newcastle and has been beaten so far this time around with 54% in his 2 starts this season. Winning 7 headers overall, Best has impressed to pick up a WhoScored rating of 7.02 having only ranked below Barton and Carroll for the club in the same ratings last term, despite his infrequent inclusion.

5. Emile Heskey
Headers Won per game (2010/11): 5.36


The much-maligned figure of Emile Heskey deserves credit for his club, Aston Villa, serving as a willing runner, when indeed upright, and an effective out ball from defence when needed. A string of injuries limited the experienced striker to just 11 starts last season, though he has already proven popular with new manager Alex McLeish who has started the 33-year-old in every game thus far. Last time out against Everton he was forced off early, again due to injury, which could well prove his downfall as he enters his twilight years as a professional. Under the new management Heskey has been used as a support striker in behind poacher Bent, with the long ball to the big man seemingly utilised in an attempt to win flick-ons for his strike partner.

Renowned for his ability to miss over his ability to score by many, Heskey netted a more than respectable 3 headers from just 11 starts last term, winning 59 duels overall at a rate of 5.36 per game. A 52% aerial success rate from last term has been improved upon to give him a very effective 59% return this- better than the likes of Jones and only down on Carroll's figure from his 2 appearances this season. The veteran has already notched this season, though not with his head, but may prove to be more of a bit part player as the campaign draws on.

6. Peter Crouch
Headers Won per game (2010/11): 5.35


Stoke's new record signing and rival to Kenwyne Jones ranked 6th in terms of strikers still in the division for headers won per game last year, proving he was no rival in terms of his aerial prowess compared to his new colleague. Crouch was Spurs' most used front man from the start in the previous campaign despite only making 20 appearances from kick-off. A wily and nimble operator on the deck, Crouch's lanky 6'7" frame leads many to assume he is most useful in the air, though this hasn't always proven the case throughout his career, and indeed last season, netting just 3 headers- half the tally of Jones.

(http://164.177.157.12/img/blog/2011%2f9%2fCrouch-Stats-Study.jpg)

In winning 107 aerial duels overall in 2010/11, Crouch racked up an average of 5.35 per game- a full 1.47 per game less than Jones. The fact that he won the same percentage of aerial duels contested (58%) may be key to Tony Pulis decision to invest such a large amount of cash on the now 30-year-old front man.

Stoke's style will undoubtedly see Crouch challenge in the air far more often than he did at Tottenham. Starting just twice this season, Crouch has won 9 aerial duels at a 59% success rate, meaning if he can continue that form in the air, Pulis may have pulled off a shrewd bit of business, albeit to the potential detriment of a frankly unlucky Kenwyne Jones.
 
(http://164.177.157.12/img/blog/2011%2f9%2fUsual-Suspects-Target-Men.jpg)

(http://www.normanhood.co.uk/cartoonstore/kenwyne_jones_stoke.jpg)
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Cocorite on March 05, 2012, 11:51:16 AM
And the debate continues
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on March 05, 2012, 11:53:03 AM
And the debate continues

Don't know why there is even a debate when "Crouchie" is soooo much better than KJ ::)
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: just cool on March 05, 2012, 06:16:58 PM
Kenwyne have most of the goods to be ah topper, but it's like he settle for mediocrity instead. real fackin sad. :frustrated:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: davidephraim on March 05, 2012, 11:20:09 PM
Kenwyne have most of the goods to be ah topper, but it's like he settle for mediocrity instead. real fackin sad. :frustrated:

but de stats dint show mediocrity, it actually showed topper. I dont get it! Liverpool needs to sell Carrol and buy KJ and plenty people will have to eat their words. Environment, circumstances and other external factors do play a hand in a guys performance and  form. KJ can succeed in the right environment which was Stoke. Check how much goals walters scoring now versus a little while back. all dem aerial winnings does be fallin on walter's feet. The jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. With all dat KJ fan clubbin ah jus do dey ah should end with something like KJ for President!
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: just cool on March 06, 2012, 02:33:27 AM
Kenwyne have most of the goods to be ah topper, but it's like he settle for mediocrity instead. real fackin sad. :frustrated:

but de stats dint show mediocrity, it actually showed topper. I dont get it! Liverpool needs to sell Carrol and buy KJ and plenty people will have to eat their words. Environment, circumstances and other external factors do play a hand in a guys performance and  form. KJ can succeed in the right environment which was Stoke. Check how much goals walters scoring now versus a little while back. all dem aerial winnings does be fallin on walter's feet. The jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. With all dat KJ fan clubbin ah jus do dey ah should end with something like KJ for President!
Breds you preaching not only to the choir, but the preacher himself! anyone on here would tell yuh that i'm one of KJ's biggest supporters and defenders, not only that but one of the fellas who believe that KJ has the potential to be one of the best target men in england today.

i believe that KJ don't work hard enough, and if he did, he could definitely achieve much much more! like forinstance, if he were to work hard enough on his ball control, his shooting and his sense of positional play, and play with heart instead of always complaining and acting like he's ah star boy, i tell you, in no time @ all he'll either be @ united or chelsea.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: rotatopoti3 on March 06, 2012, 03:36:00 AM
I dont get it! Liverpool needs to sell Carrol and buy KJ and plenty people will have to eat their words.


Nah soldier...stop right dey.....we goe keep Carrol
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: davidephraim on March 06, 2012, 05:31:34 AM
I dont get it! Liverpool needs to sell Carrol and buy KJ and plenty people will have to eat their words.


Nah soldier...stop right dey.....we goe keep Carrol
yuh know yuh not right for dat!
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: davidephraim on March 06, 2012, 05:39:33 AM
Kenwyne have most of the goods to be ah topper, but it's like he settle for mediocrity instead. real fackin sad. :frustrated:

but de stats dint show mediocrity, it actually showed topper. I dont get it! Liverpool needs to sell Carrol and buy KJ and plenty people will have to eat their words. Environment, circumstances and other external factors do play a hand in a guys performance and  form. KJ can succeed in the right environment which was Stoke. Check how much goals walters scoring now versus a little while back. all dem aerial winnings does be fallin on walter's feet. The jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. With all dat KJ fan clubbin ah jus do dey ah should end with something like KJ for President!
Breds you preaching not only to the choir, but the preacher himself! anyone on here would tell yuh that i'm one of KJ's biggest supporters and defenders, not only that but one of the fellas who believe that KJ has the potential to be one of the best target men in england today.

i believe that KJ don't work hard enough, and if he did, he could definitely achieve much much more! like forinstance, if he were to work hard enough on his ball control, his shooting and his sense of positional play, and play with heart instead of always complaining and acting like he's ah star boy, i tell you, in no time @ all he'll either be @ united or chelsea.

I get this fully. i'll only add that I wonder how much pulis would want KJ to do those things. I think unless KJ goes somewhere where the focus isnt all about voom kick he might be forced to work harder on dat.  maybe de lad has bought into his tunnel vision role but I suspect de coach aint no "run with de ball" motivator as well. He can still be molded I believe.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tallman on March 06, 2012, 06:07:09 AM
I get this fully. i'll only add that I wonder how much pulis would want KJ to do those things. I think unless KJ goes somewhere where the focus isnt all about voom kick he might be forced to work harder on dat.  maybe de lad has bought into his tunnel vision role but I suspect de coach aint no "run with de ball" motivator as well. He can still be molded I believe.

De fella go be 28 dis year eh.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Jah Gol on March 06, 2012, 06:30:23 AM
I won't waste down my countrymen. I want to encourage KJ to work harder and get back into form. This stat shows that he has at least the physical tools to perform. I wish him the best and hope he climbs out of that hole.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Pastor Stuart on March 06, 2012, 06:58:30 AM
Hi everyone, I love it here as I have been watching from afar and please understand my point here.

God says --->  "those who finds a wife, finds favor in the lord."

Since Jones horn his wife his career went down.

He got his outside girlfriend pregnant and she is living well in Trinidad while his wife has gone with his kids.

His wife went to Trinidad on vacation and his outside girl came to the UK to spend time, it was well planned out.

He will pay the price now.

Be content with what you have, for God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." So say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not beafraid."

- Hebrews 13:5,6


Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: FF on March 06, 2012, 07:06:32 AM
Pastor Stuart you is ah damn hypocrite... why you ent leave Janice alone  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on March 06, 2012, 07:51:35 AM
Yep..a lot of ppl does evaluate, wonder,wish, diagnose and look for all kinda treatment, when things not going to they liking

But before the malady hit, nobody doh care, "wha you talking bout?" ; I cyah get sick, I young strong & healthy...I cyah get hurt, I fitter at 32 than ah was at 20...I is a pro, you never kick lime...I lime with father Mohammed Buddha , u so backward like u used to walk with Jesus...mind your business, you in a wheelchair, and wha tell man how to run...ah learn ah haven't heard it all, but ah hear a lot. ...

Then comes the reasoning after the fact, and the waste down, the lambaste , the ifs & the butts

Buh Pastor Stuart by your reasoning, he can never again achieve anything again..cause we know, at least ah think we know, he cyah go back and undo whatever u might think is wrong, no matter how much forgiveness and repent he do...so all this time, you lurking, and finally make a contribution, it turn out not to be a contribution at all...well, unless you're the ex, and just wanting to tell your side...sorry, only now realizing...go ahead, get it off yuh chest, dear
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on March 06, 2012, 08:55:05 AM
Buh Pastor Stuart by your reasoning, he can never again achieve anything again..cause we know, at least ah think we know, he cyah go back and undo whatever u might think is wrong, no matter how much forgiveness and repent he do...so all this time, you lurking, and finally make a contribution, it turn out not to be a contribution at all...well, unless you're the ex, and just wanting to tell your side...sorry, only now realizing...go ahead, get it off yuh chest, dear
Whether you believe in de spiritual aspects or not, dem kinda scenes does mess up a man focus. Man at work but eh really thinking bout work. On top of dat yuh find de boss advantaging yuh. But yuh mind ain't really on dat neither. Things happening around you but you eh really clicking with none of it.

'Personal issues' is pressure.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on March 06, 2012, 09:57:03 AM
Buh Pastor Stuart by your reasoning, he can never again achieve anything again..cause we know, at least ah think we know, he cyah go back and undo whatever u might think is wrong, no matter how much forgiveness and repent he do...so all this time, you lurking, and finally make a contribution, it turn out not to be a contribution at all...well, unless you're the ex, and just wanting to tell your side...sorry, only now realizing...go ahead, get it off yuh chest, dear
Whether you believe in de spiritual aspects or not, dem kinda scenes does mess up a man focus. Man at work but eh really thinking bout work. On top of dat yuh find de boss advantaging yuh. But yuh mind ain't really on dat neither. Things happening around you but you eh really clicking with none of it.

'Personal issues' is pressure.

Agree..but the question at this point is,not whether what we believe is or is not, but how can he turn it around. Consequently, how can we help ? I think at this point, I can only help by staying positive, and believing in his ability...can't help him by critique his past indiscretions,ex,new personal relationships etc...maybe Dog could give him some guidance, but I don't think we here in a position too...besides, he won't bother with we here anyway...that is reality...

It's like many here, me included don't think Crouch is all that, he might be good,true...but not that good...But Crouch eh care one bit..he still chupid enuff to take he run out before KJ.. ;D
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Pastor Stuart on March 06, 2012, 10:14:04 AM
Adultery is considered a mortal sin and it breaks one of God's 10 commandments. All mortal sin is serious because it separates us from God.

He who conceals his sins does not prosper, but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy.

“The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

- Galatians 5:19
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: truetrini on March 06, 2012, 10:17:30 AM
Adultery is considered a mortal sin and it breaks one of God's 10 commandments. All mortal sin is serious because it separates us from God.

He who conceals his sins does not prosper, but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy.

“The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

- Galatians 5:19

How come Solomon was de wisest man on earth then?  He had 400 wives and concubines (outside ting)  steups..Jones jes following God first commandment:  "Go forth and multiply."

How many ah allyuh preachers does have allyuh Bible in allyuh left hand and allyuh dick in allyuh right hand?

Take this shit to de general discussion board, we does deal with mythology and such there!
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Pastor Stuart on March 06, 2012, 10:24:07 AM
King Solomon was not a child of God sadly as that may sound. Here's a verse which helps us see that, despite of Solomon's wisdom that was given to him by God and the many beautiful verses that Solomon spoke about in Songs of Solomon. King Solomon was not saved despite of building the Lord's House.

God gave Solomon wisdom beyond that which anyone else possessed and he also gave Jones the ability to be a footballer and support his family he created, a wife he married in the sight of God, what they both do with that God given talent is another story.

For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.

1Ki 11:4

"King Solomon was obsessed with women. Pharaoh's daughter was only the first of the many foreign women he loved—Moabite, Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonian, and Hittite. He took them from the surrounding pagan nations of which God had clearly warned Israel, "You must not marry them; they'll seduce you into infatuations with their gods." Solomon fell in love with them anyway, refusing to give them up. He had seven hundred royal wives and three hundred concubines—a thousand women in all! And they did seduce him away from God. As Solomon grew older, his wives beguiled him with their alien gods and he became unfaithful—he didn't stay true to his God as his father David had done. Solomon took up with Ashtoreth, the whore goddess of the Sidonians, and Molech, the horrible god of the Ammonites"

I Kings 11:1-5
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on March 06, 2012, 10:53:59 AM
Adultery is considered a mortal sin and it breaks one of God's 10 commandments. All mortal sin is serious because it separates us from God.

He who conceals his sins does not prosper, but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy.

“The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

- Galatians 5:19
Me eh even necessarily disagreeing with all that.

But how you know whether man repent or didn't repent or who he confess to or what? All most ah we know bout KJ is from TV. How you know what he and God does talk bout?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: palos on March 06, 2012, 11:06:41 AM
This will be an entertaining thread.  Lemme settle dong fuh de long haul eh

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BTW...welcome Pastor Stuart.  You have already demonstrated that you are a respectable man in de community  :devil:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: truetrini on March 06, 2012, 11:14:53 AM
SO when he was old...when he was young he was f**king left right and center nad had God's blessings..steups

1 Kings 10 and Ecclesiastes 2:1-11 describe the great wealth of Solomon. 1 Kings 11:3 tells us that he had 700 wives, princesses, and 300 concubines. Now many men would like to have been that man. God also tells us that Solomon was the wisest man of his time.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dutty on March 06, 2012, 11:15:40 AM
wait!! jus now yuh go see santana go come ridin fuh he
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Pastor Stuart on March 06, 2012, 11:15:58 AM
Even if Jones repented he will still have to pay for his sins but will be forgiven providing he does not walk down the same path in the future.

Stern John, Kenwyne Jones, Dwight Yorke wants to be baby fathers but not fathers.

Paying the bills and not being there does affect your family and when your daughter gets pregnant for 2 different men and 2 different baby fathers you want to kill the guys.

"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.


Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: truetrini on March 06, 2012, 11:21:28 AM
Even if Jones repented he will still have to pay for his sins but will be forgiven providing he does not walk down the same path in the future.

Stern John, Kenwyne Jones, Dwight Yorke wants to be baby fathers but not fathers.

Paying the bills and not being there does affect your family and when your daughter gets pregnant for 2 different men and 2 different baby fathers you want to kill the guys.

"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.




yuh ever f**k?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: FireBrand on March 06, 2012, 11:24:51 AM
Yep..a lot of ppl does evaluate, wonder,wish, diagnose and look for all kinda treatment, when things not going to they liking

But before the malady hit, nobody doh care, "wha you talking bout?" ; I cyah get sick, I young strong & healthy...I cyah get hurt, I fitter at 32 than ah was at 20...I is a pro, you never kick lime...I lime with father Mohammed Buddha , u so backward like u used to walk with Jesus...mind your business, you in a wheelchair, and wha tell man how to run...ah learn ah haven't heard it all, but ah hear a lot. ...

Then comes the reasoning after the fact, and the waste down, the lambaste , the ifs & the butts

Buh Pastor Stuart by your reasoning, he can never again achieve anything again..cause we know, at least ah think we know, he cyah go back and undo whatever u might think is wrong, no matter how much forgiveness and repent he do...so all this time, you lurking, and finally make a contribution, it turn out not to be a contribution at all...well, unless you're the ex, and just wanting to tell your side...sorry, only now realizing...go ahead, get it off yuh chest, dear

So what yuh saying... KJ and Pastor Stuart was in ting?

Ooooooogoooooood!!!
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BTW... Welcome Pastor Stuart!
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Pastor Stuart on March 06, 2012, 11:48:49 AM
Mr Jones, good luck to you and your career. You are a brother and will be forgiven, keep trying to better yourself and God will guide you.

God said they will attack you and will not believe you, but don't stop preaching the word.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Sando on March 06, 2012, 11:54:54 AM
There are a lot of people who wants to be members here and Trurtrini with that behavior it will chase them away.

I honestly feel you should have a little respect for posters especially new ones who do not know you.

Your behavior discredits the site and chases new people away.

Like it or not.

PS: Jones and Keisha. ....  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on March 06, 2012, 11:58:56 AM
Mr Jones, good luck to you and your career. You are a brother and will be forgiven, keep trying to better yourself and God will guide you.

God said they will attack you and will not believe you, but don't stop preaching the word.


Appss, like yuh get that message personally & direct...bet the guy feeling better ahready...see what in store for the rest ah the world nah hyo...so many wars, hunger, and rip off of players...or this is just the sports news section ?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: truetrini on March 06, 2012, 12:05:36 PM
There are a lot of people who wants to be members here and Trurtrini with that behavior it will chase them away.

I honestly feel you should have a little respect for posters especially new ones who do not know you.

Your behavior discredits the site and chases new people away.

Like it or not.

PS: Jones and Keisha. ....  :rotfl:
I said sorry already, but he need to take that chat to general discussions.  But yuh eh find he come talking about de man sexual ways and habits and how God punishing him?  When God going and Punish jack warner?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on March 06, 2012, 12:06:09 PM
Why does KJ need to "work hard?" is the only way you can play this can? By us determining what "hard work" is?  I don't get it, how do you factor in players like Inzaghi, Van Nistleroy, etc?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: just cool on March 06, 2012, 02:09:19 PM
There are a lot of people who wants to be members here and Trurtrini with that behavior it will chase them away.

I honestly feel you should have a little respect for posters especially new ones who do not know you.

Your behavior discredits the site and chases new people away.

Like it or not.

PS: Jones and Keisha. ....  :rotfl:
I said sorry already, but he need to take that chat to general discussions.  But yuh eh find he come talking about de man sexual ways and habits and how God punishing him?  When God going and Punish jack warner?

TT yuh damn right! imagine this man come on the site wid ah set ah preachin, sttuueeepppsssss! this is ah "FOOTBALL" forum, not the general discussion forum, if yuh want tuh preach, then start ah thread on religion over there, but doh bring religousity into the football, and putting the man's personal life on display. like he forgot the greatest commandment ? "do unto other as you would have them do unto you".

BTW, thou shalt not steal, and thou shalt not covet, so how come all them politicians around the world and in sweet T&T stealing left and right and they are prospering ? one comes to mind, the great jack warner. he's stole his whole career into ah million dollar empire.

why am i even responding, :-[ i must be losing it. after all, this pastor staurt fella could be one of our regular members on the alter ego tip, saying what they couldn't say when they are mr hyde, or is that dr jekkle.  :thinking:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: giggsy11 on March 06, 2012, 02:35:54 PM
Hi everyone, I love it here as I have been watching from afar and please understand my point here.

God says --->  "those who finds a wife, finds favor in the lord."

Since Jones horn his wife his career went down.

He got his outside girlfriend pregnant and she is living well in Trinidad while his wife has gone with his kids.

His wife went to Trinidad on vacation and his outside girl came to the UK to spend time, it was well planned out.

He will pay the price now.

Be content with what you have, for God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." So say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not beafraid."

- Hebrews 13:5,6




Wait-pastors dos gossip?  :o
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on March 10, 2012, 08:35:06 AM
He getting his chance today. Let's hope he do something with it.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bitter on March 10, 2012, 09:04:07 AM
Jones get the start? Crouch sick?  :devil:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: de_redman on March 10, 2012, 09:18:32 AM
Jones looks lively early (fingers crossed)
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bitter on March 10, 2012, 09:26:30 AM
Fuller is a special kinda c**t!
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: g on March 10, 2012, 09:27:20 AM
Jamaican rage

Red card Fuller
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: de_redman on March 10, 2012, 09:28:09 AM
FOOLER AGAIN! What an idiot!!!  :pissedoff:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bitter on March 10, 2012, 09:29:10 AM
And Chelsea playing level shit too eh.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: giggsy11 on March 10, 2012, 09:52:21 AM
And Chelsea playing level shit too eh.

AVB fault!
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: de_redman on March 10, 2012, 10:21:42 AM
Jones off Cameron Jerome On... Another quiet display, not really his fault though.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on March 10, 2012, 10:30:11 AM
What a pass by Mata.  Classy play.

So did Jones get any good passes?  I missed most of the game.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: g on March 10, 2012, 10:52:47 AM
What a pass by Mata.  Classy play.

So did Jones get any good passes?  I missed most of the game.

won some long balls and i think one half chance on goal, not much in terms of link up play Chelsea had like 70 percent posession but he did look a bit more lively today.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on March 10, 2012, 11:58:38 AM
Jones off Cameron Jerome On... Another quiet display, not really his fault though.

Is it ever?
Title: Jones wins court case with perfect alibi
Post by: Socapro on April 27, 2012, 12:09:07 PM
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/27042012/58/premier-league-jones-wins-court-case-perfect-alibi.html

Premier League - Jones wins court case with perfect alibi
Fri, 27 Apr 11:07:00 2012

Football star Kenwyne Jones has won a court case after giving what must be one of the best alibis in legal history.

Authorities charged the 27-year-old with doing 62mph in a 50mph zone in his Land Rover in Cheshire last August.

Yet at the time of the alleged offence Jones was taking part in a televised football match, scoring two goals as Stoke beat FC Thun 4-1 in the Europa League.

"He was actually playing for Stoke City Football Club at 7.30pm," argued lawyer Mike Stephenson.

"Mr Jones did in fact score two goals that evening. It was obviously someone else in his car."

The case was dismissed - but Jones did not escape unscathed. As he failed to provide evidence about the identity of whoever was driving, he was fined £650 plus £375 costs and given six points on his licence.

When you think about it, he'd probably have been better off taking the rap: after all, not many people could have been watching that particular Thursday night match on Channel 5.

It's not the first time that one of the big names at Stoke City has had a run-in with the law over their driving habits, incidentally. Just a few weeks ago manager Tony Pulis successfully argued that he should be able to keep his driving licence despite being clocked doing 96mph in a 60mph zone.

Pulis's lawyer - the same Mike Stephenson who defended Jones - claimed that the manager should not be disqualified since he had to make deals while on the phone in his car, and if the £1m-a-year boss had a chauffeur driving him round, the confidentiality of those calls could be breached - potentially scuppering major transfers.

And Magistrates accepted the argument that the inability to deal while at the wheel could lead to relegation: "The people of Stoke could suffer if Mr Pulis lost his licence," Stephenson said in his winning argument.
Title: Re: Jones wins court case with perfect alibi
Post by: vb on April 27, 2012, 12:25:54 PM
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/27042012/58/premier-league-jones-wins-court-case-perfect-alibi.html

Premier League - Jones wins court case with perfect alibi
Fri, 27 Apr 11:07:00 2012

Football star Kenwyne Jones has won a court case after giving what must be one of the best alibis in legal history.

Authorities charged the 27-year-old with doing 62mph in a 50mph zone in his Land Rover in Cheshire last August.



The case was dismissed - but Jones did not escape unscathed. As he failed to provide evidence about the identity of whoever was driving, he was fined £650 plus £375 costs and given six points on his licence.

When you think about it, he'd probably have been better off taking the rap: after all, not many people could have been watching that particular Thursday night match on Channel 5.

It's not the first time that one of the big names at Stoke City has had a run-in with the law over their driving habits, incidentally. Just a few weeks ago manager Tony Pulis successfully argued that he should be able to keep his driving licence despite being clocked doing 96mph in a 60mph zone.



That is how you does WIN a court case?  ???

VB
Title: Re: Jones wins court case with perfect alibi
Post by: Dutty on April 27, 2012, 01:16:17 PM
I find the lawyer defense of Pulis was even better bullshit...judge even agree wit de man oui
Title: Re: Jones wins court case with perfect alibi
Post by: maxg on April 27, 2012, 06:11:53 PM
sound like the KJ judge was a WBA fan
Title: Re: Jones wins court case with perfect alibi
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 27, 2012, 11:47:51 PM
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/27042012/58/premier-league-jones-wins-court-case-perfect-alibi.html

Premier League - Jones wins court case with perfect alibi
Fri, 27 Apr 11:07:00 2012

Football star Kenwyne Jones has won a court case after giving what must be one of the best alibis in legal history.

Authorities charged the 27-year-old with doing 62mph in a 50mph zone in his Land Rover in Cheshire last August.



The case was dismissed - but Jones did not escape unscathed. As he failed to provide evidence about the identity of whoever was driving, he was fined £650 plus £375 costs and given six points on his licence.

When you think about it, he'd probably have been better off taking the rap: after all, not many people could have been watching that particular Thursday night match on Channel 5.

It's not the first time that one of the big names at Stoke City has had a run-in with the law over their driving habits, incidentally. Just a few weeks ago manager Tony Pulis successfully argued that he should be able to keep his driving licence despite being clocked doing 96mph in a 60mph zone.



That is how you does WIN a court case?  ???

VB

I cyah fathom what a "loss" woulda be nuh!  I ???, too!
Title: Re: Jones wins court case with perfect alibi
Post by: kev on April 28, 2012, 12:25:55 AM
Strange one this begs more questions than answers.

If he had of pleaded guilty to speeding he would of got 3 points and a fine (probably not as big).

Obviously didn't want to tell them who was driving his car (insurance?), but probably ended up with more publicity doing it this way around.  Strange.

Obviously if the police knew he wasn't driving then just couldn't plead guilty, but would of thought that unlikely.
Title: Re: Jones wins court case with perfect alibi
Post by: JRtheWriter on April 28, 2012, 07:30:53 AM
+1 for not snitching! lol
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tallman on September 24, 2012, 07:35:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/wvU7xGzF5i0
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: davidephraim on September 24, 2012, 08:16:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/wvU7xGzF5i0
Niceness Tallman!
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on October 06, 2012, 10:25:56 AM
So is Jones done  ???
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: just cool on October 06, 2012, 10:30:18 AM
So is Jones done  ???
Stick ah fork in him he's done. he needs to move on injanuary, and maybe not, it seems as he's just happy to collect a big paycheck for sitting on the bench.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on October 06, 2012, 12:19:02 PM
So is Jones done  ???
He's actually been getting more of a look lately. As long as Crouch is fit, he will never start though.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Cocorite on October 07, 2012, 06:55:41 PM
Just watched Diame's amazing goal, dey. And was thinking he seems to be a samila body size of Jones, not sure. Why does Jones run so obzokie?

Also, for all the people on this site who know him, can't we get a proper interview with him to ask him both the easy questions and the hard questions?

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: just cool on October 07, 2012, 08:11:58 PM
Just watched Diame's amazing goal, dey. And was thinking he seems to be a samila body size of Jones, not sure. Why does Jones run so obzokie?

Also, for all the people on this site who know him, can't we get a proper interview with him to ask him both the easy questions and the hard questions?

Just a thought.
If i was him i wont give yuhs an interview either. take forinstance, look what you just asked, "why the boy does run so obxochy" yuh think ppl like them kinda thing.

IMO his "obxochy" running don't hamper him as much as his attitude and his first touch. that same "obxochy" fella is the highest jumping footballers in england, and one of, if not the best headers of the ball, and is ranked amongst the fastest forwards in the prem. i wish i was obxochy like that.
Title: Kenwyne Jones talks to 6 Towns Radio
Post by: Tallman on November 13, 2012, 07:57:33 PM
Kenwyne Jones talks to 6 Towns Radio re the Premier League 4 Sport Team and Basketball
6towns.co.uk


Stoke's Trinidad and Tobago striker Kenwyne Jones caught up with 6 Towns Radio as the player joined in with all the Basketball fun at the Gordon Banks Sports centre at Newcastle-Under-Lyme college.

Kenwyne talks about the Premier League 4 Sport scheme (which allows the Premier League to help other sports which kids may be less inclined to be involved with), his Stoke City career, Trinidad & Tobago at the Olympics and how far he travelled before making it as a footballer in England.

Also at the event were Manchester Giants Basketballers and teammates Devan Bailey (6ft 2") and his tiny (6 ft 9") friend David Watts who were very busy getting involved in the fun of the day by showing off their skills!

http://www.youtube.com/v/T3xbF-EbgDk
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: giggsy11 on November 17, 2012, 06:18:45 PM
Seems KJ stuck until offseason. Not the biggest KJ fan, but I think this is some bs, yuh bring someone in tuh take his job, but yuh holding on tuh the player, just incase the replacement doesn't get the job done. And the replacement has moved ahead of the player who was there already there.


Duo Ken not quit

Published: 16th November 2012
 
TONY PULIS has denied strikers Kenwyne Jones and Cameron Jerome the chance to go out on loan — as he is worried Michael Owen will break down again.
 
Owen will miss Stoke’s game at West Ham on Monday but Pulis believes he will be fit to take on Fulham next Saturday after a hamstring injury.
 
Yet the Potters boss will hold on to Jones, who has been the subject of interest from Leicester, and Jerome, who is a target for Blackburn and Leeds.
 
Pulis said: “I won’t be letting anyone go. We have so many games coming up we need all the players we can.
 
“Michael’s fitness is very much at the back of my mind when keeping Cameron and Kenwyne.”


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: congo on November 17, 2012, 06:45:25 PM
Had Owen been Black he would have already been in league 2 by now. It's amazing how many chances certain players are given. :bs: :bs: :bs:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: D.H.W on November 17, 2012, 06:52:46 PM
So why the f**k he buy Owen in the first place.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: giggsy11 on November 17, 2012, 07:00:32 PM
Had Owen been Black he would have already been in league 2 by now. It's amazing how many chances certain players are given. :bs: :bs: :bs:

No, if he had been anything but the English boy wonder.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: giggsy11 on November 17, 2012, 07:01:14 PM
So why the f**k he buy Owen in the first place.

Same reason Fergie bought him. Hopin he come tru.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: frico on November 18, 2012, 04:11:26 AM
Just cool:
I was a car enthusiast and one of the best cars for simplicity of engineering was that Austin Morris Cambridge,I saw one a few weeks ago and it looked in mint condition.I remember getting one in 87 in a scrap yard and brought it home to revive it,but at the time I didn't have a garage so I had to get rid of it,the local council warned me about parking it on the road where I lived.There is also lovely wood work inside.The Jamaicans used this car as a taxi in the 60s because it was strong and could cope with the bad roads and it lasted forever.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: kev on November 18, 2012, 08:30:11 AM
Seems KJ stuck until offseason. Not the biggest KJ fan, but I think this is some bs, yuh bring someone in tuh take his job, but yuh holding on tuh the player, just incase the replacement doesn't get the job done. And the replacement has moved ahead of the player who was there already there.


Duo Ken not quit

Published: 16th November 2012
 
TONY PULIS has denied strikers Kenwyne Jones and Cameron Jerome the chance to go out on loan — as he is worried Michael Owen will break down again.
 
Owen will miss Stoke’s game at West Ham on Monday but Pulis believes he will be fit to take on Fulham next Saturday after a hamstring injury.
 
Yet the Potters boss will hold on to Jones, who has been the subject of interest from Leicester, and Jerome, who is a target for Blackburn and Leeds.
 
Pulis said: “I won’t be letting anyone go. We have so many games coming up we need all the players we can.
 
“Michael’s fitness is very much at the back of my mind when keeping Cameron and Kenwyne.”


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football

If you could get odds off a bookie for Owen being injured you won't get rich very quickly it would be long odds on to happen.

Still a strange thing for Pulis to say about the pair, basically only here to cover.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on November 18, 2012, 11:03:50 AM
At least Kenwyne gets on the bench and has a run-out every now and then. Jerome has been almost totally shut out and still Pulis won't let him get a run elsewhere.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Observer on November 18, 2012, 03:26:39 PM
KJ only play 55 min all season. Clearly he is down in the pecking order. A striker needs a solid run out to be effective, KJ should look to move in January.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on November 18, 2012, 05:12:34 PM
KJ only play 55 min all season. Clearly he is down in the pecking order. A striker needs a solid run out to be effective, KJ should look to move in January.
He now starting to get some sub minutes and Pulis hinting that he could start tomorrow. But you never know.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Flex on November 19, 2012, 06:19:09 AM
Caption This.    ;D

(http://u.goal.com/11000/11049hp2.jpg)

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Cocorite on November 19, 2012, 11:45:33 AM
Caption This.    ;D

(http://u.goal.com/11000/11049hp2.jpg)


Eh, take dat. Allyuh does feel allyuh know everyting 'bout "football"  :yellowcard:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: kev on November 19, 2012, 12:08:06 PM
KJ only play 55 min all season. Clearly he is down in the pecking order. A striker needs a solid run out to be effective, KJ should look to move in January.

It has been obvious for over a season never mind this season.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: congo on November 19, 2012, 01:10:04 PM
Caption This.    ;D

(http://u.goal.com/11000/11049hp2.jpg)



Meh mudda wat? What ur now say abt meh mudda... >:(
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on November 19, 2012, 04:47:52 PM
De masses getting restless: http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Potters&action=display&thread=202783
Title: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: AB.Trini on March 27, 2013, 09:39:23 PM
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Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: maxg on March 27, 2013, 11:50:01 PM
The same impact any forward has made...For a forward to score goal of have an impact on a game, the midfield has to occupy the opposing team defence, means the defence has to have the ability to start  an attack. KJ, Cornell glen or a young Stern John, cannot have an impact by themselves.  When every player on the team, goalie included (hoofing ball down to glen,surround by 3 men, who could foul at will) , can havean impact, and not just on the field to defend, but also attack, and draw opposing players, then KJ or any single frontman, can have an impact. I thought this was an excellent demo by Peru of this, everybody with or without the ball, was dangerous on attack, yet when they defended, they were prepared to counter, it when they were more dangerous. This was, and still is a big football country & team. They play in one of the most difficult groups in the world, regularly. We did well for a nobody team, with unsure future picks. We need more lessons like this. Yuh doh go one class in chemistry( or anything) once a term and become a doctor.And even when yuh study for years, practice for years, yuh could still lose patients. Don't lose patience on a small country team football game.. Players, coaches and fans need to study and work harder is all.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Rodney on March 28, 2013, 03:36:37 AM
The same impact any forward has made...For a forward to score goal of have an impact on a game, the midfield has to occupy the opposing team defence, means the defence has to have the ability to start  an attack. KJ, Cornell glen or a young Stern John, cannot have an impact by themselves.  When every player on the team, goalie included (hoofing ball down to glen,surround by 3 men, who could foul at will) , can havean impact, and not just on the field to defend, but also attack, and draw opposing players, then KJ or any single frontman, can have an impact. I thought this was an excellent demo by Peru of this, everybody with or without the ball, was dangerous on attack, yet when they defended, they were prepared to counter, it when they were more dangerous. This was, and still is a big football country & team. They play in one of the most difficult groups in the world, regularly. We did well for a nobody team, with unsure future picks. We need more lessons like this. Yuh doh go one class in chemistry( or anything) once a term and become a doctor.And even when yuh study for years, practice for years, yuh could still lose patients. Don't lose patience on a small country team football game.. Players, coaches and fans need to study and work harder is all.

Fully agree, difficult tuh make an impact if yuh doh get the proper oppertunity tuh make one!

Not that the man is ah natural goal poacher but if he was getting 2-3 clear cut chances every game and consistently wasting them that is ah different story. From what these coaches shown so far, not really sure if they always have a main purpose of using Jones tuh score goals.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 28, 2013, 03:59:51 AM
Forget scoring, because every striker does go through a drought.

De real question is.

1. How many shot he gets off.

2. How many headers he gets off.

3. How many times he makes a pass.

4. How many passes he make.

5. Can he trap a ball.

6. Can he hold up the ball, can he hold the ball for 30 seconds.

7. Does he make himself available for a pass.

8. Does he make off the balls run.

9. What other contributions does KJ make on the team.

He is the most physical player on the team (size wise) and plays the weakess.

Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: trini_stallion on March 28, 2013, 04:35:22 AM
Forget scoring, because every striker does go through a drought.

De real question is.

1. How many shot he gets off.

2. How many headers he gets off.

3. How many times he makes a pass.

4. How many passes he make.

5. Can he trap a ball.

6. Can he hold up the ball, can he hold the ball for 30 seconds.

7. What other contributions does KJ make on the team.

He is the most physical player on the team (size wise) and plays the weakess.



All yuh men is tears yes. Dey booming ballls at men that getting mark 2 and three men deep. From the wingers to KJ.  How he supposed to do anything.  The eat hi. Up like a flourt truck tyat shut down on de beetham. Instead of looking at one man look at the method of play. We cannt be playing one man on top especially without a midfield...we like to fight down the coaches sayn we looking for a miracle by bringing in the foreixgn players...but in essence we thevfans expecting a mircale too thennn cuz if glen o KJ EH SCORE we wondering and saying they ineffective. It eh jones it eh glen it eh joevin...is de coaches. Jones hasn't impacted cuz the rest of the team hasn't provided the opportunity.  Al yuh eh realise that when we was passing the ball around against peru is when we was able to launch any kinda attack!?
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 28, 2013, 04:51:40 AM
Yo bro, forget T&T, ask Stoke and Sunderland de same question.

Peter Crouch is taller, weaker (he lingay) and does add more to the game even when he not scoring.

Wake up fool.

And I know you would say Stoke eh no different than T&T.

Let me guess, KJ is de next Messi, de team have to build around he.

Stern John never got service to, but he held up the ball and brough others into play.

KJ overall play is f00cking poor. He cant trap, pass, shot, make a pass, nothing.

He is T&T's worst striker right now.

De last time he score a goal for T&T was 2 years ago.

Forget score, de lat time I see KJ take a shot on goal for T&T was 3 years ago.

De man built like a machine and does play like a f00ckking pillow, small, small man does be man handling him like butter on hot galvasize.

Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Dinner Mints on March 28, 2013, 05:53:00 AM
Yo bro, forget T&T, ask Stoke and Sunderland de same question.

Peter Crouch is taller, weaker (he lingay) and does add more to the game even when he not scoring.

Wake up fool.

And I know you would say Stoke eh no different than T&T.
You just talking to talk and doh know what yuh talking bout. Ask any Stoke fan RIGHT NOW and they'll tell you exactly the opposite. Crouch adds nothing to the team. The team is terrible with Crouch up front. Their best performances and results are with KJ starting. Crouch playing because of reputation and price tag. They create no chances with Crouch. Everybody clamoring for KJ to play.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a fight down though.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Rodney on March 28, 2013, 05:56:20 AM
If Jones is ah limited player, the real issue is what the management doin tuh make the most of his strengths (if he got any). Personally I find Jones have ability an talent in abundance but is ah real 'streaky' player and gone ah bit too one dimensional since he join Stoke. At this point he need the team tuh play tuh his strengths if we hope tuh see good performances from him (not saying that garuntee to happen). If the side as ah whole was producing ah respectable standard of ball game after game, giving Jones ample oppertunity tuh 'do his ting', he would always stand out when his performances was substandard. IMHO the team performances been to haphazard tuh single out Jones fuh abuse. If ah team not playing well yuh cyah blame the players only, management have tuh take some blame at some point. If he that SH*T, blame the management fuh persisting in selecting the man.

Gally, (too a lesser extent) Beenhaker an occasionally our club sides at Concacaf level have shown that our players both local and foreign base can perform in ah respectable way and be competitive. In almost all cases though there was a decent level of preparation and organistation. There don't seem to be (at least so far) much evidence of significant progression with this side.

This is the best sequence of games an opposition we have had fuh some time. They preachin about 'valuable experience an lessons learned', well If Shabazz and Charles cannot get the MNT tuh put in ah respectable performance (an maximise whatever qualities Jones have) at the GC after this decent sequence of warm-up games, ah doubt they eva will ...... we may as well look elsewhere an start from scratch fuh 2018.

Oh wait, is the TTFF we talkin bout. Despite this 'moment of clarity' in arrangin these friendlies, the track record would suggest any solution from dem is unlikely to inspire great confidence movin forward, regardless of the GC performance an fallout.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 28, 2013, 05:58:28 AM
Yo, this is not about Crouch vs Jones.

Forget I bring up Crouch.

KJ on de other hand, lard fadda !!!

What does Jones bring to the team?

Does he do his job ?

You ever see how de man does run, like he go fall down anythime now.

No EPL team buying Jones and if they do, they not paying more than 2 mill.

By de way, just for ole talk... for de shit snake you say Crouch is, he career eh bad at all.

Years Team Apps† (Gls)†
1998–2000 Tottenham Hotspur 0 (0)
2000 → Dulwich Hamlet (loan) 6 (1)
2000 → IFK Hässleholm (loan) 8 (3)
2000–2001 Queens Park Rangers 42 (10)
2001–2002 Portsmouth 37 (18)
2002–2004 Aston Villa 37 (6)
2003 → Norwich City (loan) 15 (4)
2004–2005 Southampton 27 (12)
2005–2008 Liverpool 85 (22)
2008–2009 Portsmouth 38 (11)
2009–2011 Tottenham Hotspur 73 (12)
2011– Stoke City 59 (15)
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Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: trini_stallion on March 28, 2013, 06:29:25 AM
Yo, this is not about Crouch vs Jones.

Forget I bring up Crouch.

KJ on de other hand, lard fadda !!!

What does Jones bring to the team?

Does he do his job ?

You ever see how de man does run, like he go fall down anythime now.

No EPL team buying Jones and if they do, they not paying more than 2 mill.

By de way, just for ole talk... for de shit snake you say Crouch is, he career eh bad at all.

Years Team Apps† (Gls)†
1998–2000 Tottenham Hotspur 0 (0)
2000 → Dulwich Hamlet (loan) 6 (1)
2000 → IFK Hässleholm (loan) 8 (3)
2000–2001 Queens Park Rangers 42 (10)
2001–2002 Portsmouth 37 (18)
2002–2004 Aston Villa 37 (6)
2003 → Norwich City (loan) 15 (4)
2004–2005 Southampton 27 (12)
2005–2008 Liverpool 85 (22)
2008–2009 Portsmouth 38 (11)
2009–2011 Tottenham Hotspur 73 (12)
2011– Stoke City 59 (15)
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You smoking botrom oh what!!! Stern didn't have service? Man like latas, yorke, whitley, birchall, de dreadlock fella...cyah recall he name...but all them fellas was balling in stern era. To be honest stern is de highest tnt scorer because of them men. Horse...if we don't have a solid midfield we not going and have opportunities at goal....yuh riding jones like he bull yuh gyul. Onto stoke...whwn crouch get he teeth lick way...jones come on and cause rel tears...open up play assistrs and goals....anddd swansea offerred 3 mil for him too....


Ahgainnnn dey cyah be boomin balls when men getting maek 2-3  deep...any striker will get hu stled ouy of play. We need need need neeed a midfield...whwn we have that and they stop booming ball to never neverland and kj missing to three ahots per game then we could jidge him and say he eh woryh spot...but unril then we cyah make an objective assertion
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 28, 2013, 06:38:19 AM
What in de name of cock spur you talking.

latas, yorke, whitley and birchall came LATE bro..... infact, Stern scored more goals for T&T before all of them came.

Where Tallman !!!!

Post de stats Tallman for men....

Jones have Shabazz step son Theobald, Birchall is still here, Carlos Edwards, Hector, Hyland, Guerra, Peltier, Molino, Keon.

Stop making excuse for de GOAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah wonder if Jorsling does get service ?

Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Forever Warrior on March 28, 2013, 07:01:46 AM
What in de name of cock spur you talking.

latas, yorke, whitley and birchall came LATE bro..... infact, Stern scored more goals for T&T before all of them came.

Where Tallman !!!!

Post de stats Tallman for men....

Jones have Shabazz step son Theobald, Birchall is still here, Carlos Edwards, Hector, Hyland, Guerra, Peltier, Molino, Keon.

Stop making excuse for de GOAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah wonder if Jorsling does get service ?



I agree. There is always talk about KJ not getting good enough service, KJ not receiving the ball to suit his strengths. KJ not gettin this KJ not getting that. Well I was at the Peru game in Trinidad and both Carter and Guerra provided him with good balls and he made a mess of his opportunity. IMO men like Jorsling, Scotland etc who are being called slow, goat etc would have buried that shot.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: trini_stallion on March 28, 2013, 07:13:44 AM
You smoking botrom oh what!!! Stern didn't have service? Man like latas, yorke, whitley, birchall, de dreadlock fella...cyah recall he name...but all them fellas was balling in stern era. To be honest stern is de highest tnt scorer because of them men. Horse...if we don't have a solid midfield we not going and have opportunities at goal....yuh riding jones like he bull yuh gyul. Onto stoke...whwn crouch get he teeth lick way...jones come on and cause rel tears...open up play assistrs and goals....anddd swansea offerred 3 mil for him too....


Ahgainnnn dey cyah be boomin balls when men getting maek 2-3  deep...any striker will get hu stled ouy of play. We need need need neeed a midfield...whwn we have that and they stop booming ball to never neverland and kj missing to three ahots per game then we could jidge him and say he eh woryh spot...but unril then we cyah make an objective assertion
What in de name of cock spur you talking.

latas, yorke, whitley and birchall came LATE bro..... infact, Stern scored more goals for T&T before all of them came.

Where Tallman !!!!

Post de stats Tallman for men....

Jones have Shabazz step son Theobald, Birchall is still here, Carlos Edwards, Hector, Hyland, Guerra, Peltier, Molino, Keon.

Stop making excuse for de GOAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah wonder if Jorsling does get service ?


I agree. There is always talk about KJ not getting good enough service, KJ not receiving the ball to suit his strengths. KJ not gettin this KJ not getting that. Well I was at the Peru game in Trinidad and both Carter and Guerra provided him with good balls and he made a mess of his opportunity. IMO men like Jorsling, Scotland etc who are being called slow, goat etc would have buried that shot.
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Felllas in Trinidad he had one chane and he flake. Yorke a nd lata and latas came out in 88 and 89. And if yuh want to say we have a good midfiel now...we didn't for the last 3 friendlies. Stern had all that I mentioned before inckuding nakhid, eve and dwarika ...whitley abd birchy was de only kate comers
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Jah Gol on March 28, 2013, 07:41:03 AM
I don't want to berate a player but I always find that practically any player we've used instead of him, either from the start or off the bench had better technical ability than him. It didn't matter if the player was local or foreign based either. I remember seeing a most glaring difference with Kerry Baptiste in particular.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Dinner Mints on March 28, 2013, 07:42:35 AM
Felllas in Trinidad he had one chane and he flake.
I does watch man like Van Persie miss two and three chance a game. But let a man in a shitty team miss one and he's the worse thing in de world.

Is more about people desperation that 'we mightn't get another chance' than it have to do with any honest assessment of a player.

Man calling Stern name like we didn't used to berate him for missing too.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Deeks on March 28, 2013, 07:43:50 AM
Even as we went to Germany, we have yet to produce consistent playing midfield combination of the Strike squad and even the short live 73/74 WC squad. We lack creative mid players badly. Everytime we jump on the bandwagon for a new player, he just fizzles out.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 28, 2013, 09:18:18 AM
The first time I ever saw Kenwyne Jones play (live) for Trinidad and Tobago was in '05 and I really thought there were a few major things in his game needing improvement, his poor first touch being the most glaring but I did think at the time, that his height, size and (assumed) strength would turn out to be useful for him. Sadly, from what I have seen over the years, I don't think he has ever agreed with me.  To me, KJ has not even really had an impact on his own self improvement, much less on the national team. His first touch is still poor. He can't shoot to save his life...at least, he can't shoot from medium distance (13-15 yards) and beyond. His movement off the ball would lose in a paint-drying contest and he doesn't seem to know how to use his size and strength to hold up the ball a little bit. I do think he can get up and head that ball, though, I think he's very good at that. But wait, Wasn't Kenwyne groomed more as a defender when he was growing up developing his game during his formative years? I never saw him play for St. Anthony's, so ah really doh know. (somebody help meh out wit dah one, please?)  Maybe he has been forced into playing a position that he really isn't all that comfortable with, I dunno, but aside from the tangible aspect of the game, he just doesn't project posture of being one of Trinidad's best players whenever he lines up in our colours.  I can name quite a few players well, that you could see from the time that first whistle blow, or they get subbed into a game, they were intent on making an impact on the game even if it killed them.  Even Cornell Glenn, who some may argue is not no big goal-scoring wizard, projects more confidence.  As a man say, Even Stern John used to/does get criticized....so I guess it's only natural/obvious that KJ would, too.     
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Peong on March 28, 2013, 09:38:58 AM
What in de name of cock spur you talking.

latas, yorke, whitley and birchall came LATE bro..... infact, Stern scored more goals for T&T before all of them came.

Where Tallman !!!!

Post de stats Tallman for men....

Jones have Shabazz step son Theobald, Birchall is still here, Carlos Edwards, Hector, Hyland, Guerra, Peltier, Molino, Keon.

Stop making excuse for de GOAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah wonder if Jorsling does get service ?



Something wrong with that statement.
Stern had Yorke, Latas, Eve, Nakhid, Trotman (RIP), giving him passes.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 28, 2013, 10:58:49 AM
Ok, we beating ah dead horse, even though I sure Stern score most of them goals without Yorke and Latapy. Yorke was never a midfield till 2005 which Stern did not score AS MUCH. Trotman was a goat and Whitley had about 2 assist to Stern John.

But forget goal scoring, put this on the side.

Leh me ask allyuh this about Kenwyne Jones.

1. How many shot he gets off.

2. How many headers he gets off.

3. How many times he makes a pass.

4. How many passes he make.

5. Can he trap a ball.

6. Can he hold up the ball, can he hold the ball for 30 seconds.

7. Does he make himself available for a pass.

8. Does he make off the balls run.

9. What other contributions does KJ make on the team.

KJ is brought here to score goals, find, he out of form because Stoke have him on the bench, then what else can he bring to the game ?

I feel a song coming on...

He trapping.... no.
He running... no.
He marking... no.
He jumping... no.
He shooting... no.
He loafing... no.
He passing... no.
He scoring... no.
He crossing... no.
He bawling... no.
He calling... no.
He looking for sub, plenty, plenty sub boy...
He looking for sub, plenty, plenty sub boy...
Yuh going to get sub boy...

Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: kounty on March 28, 2013, 11:15:34 AM
I like the genuine discussion so far. Watchin KJ this last game I don't feel like it have room in T&T team for him until we get a midfield that could hold the ball / deliver a good pass or cross etc. Right now we need forwards who could hold the ball, dribble etc IMO. (Not to say somewhere in the future when the team hummin we couldn't use him and make him shine).
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: CAPITANO on March 28, 2013, 11:23:24 AM
Lots of people stating KJ not performing up to par when he play for the Warriors because he is not getting the proper type of service.  Ok this may be true, but how long we gonna continue with this method.  It is obvious the voom kick style they trying to implement is not working for KJ or T&T. Why do they continue to bring him in the fold.  Is it becuase he is the biggest name player on the team and there is some hope he will draw a decent crowd? how many games gone by now and they still "experimenting"  with this tactic. If ur gonna include Kj u have to have crosses coming in from both sides, not from our goalie and defenders.  This whole voom kick style is not working period, but adding KJ to this is just baffling.

KJ can't hold up the ball, smaller defenders does outjostle him, he not fast. he is just a waste of time in my book.  We have a problem in midfield and we have problems up front.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: coache on March 28, 2013, 01:10:29 PM
Smaller players holdin up de ball far better than this player.. Cornell Glen, the kid who got the red against Belize..I am not askin fuh goals ..just usefulness of that large body..than man thinks he's Cristiano Ronaldo or Carlos Tevez.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Storeboy on March 28, 2013, 02:58:50 PM
Answer to the question:  None!
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: just cool on March 29, 2013, 01:16:06 AM
Allyuh have time tuh study Sam and this nut alberta trini? if we did beat or even draw with peru and jones had ah double, all this talk about his inability would be dormant.

fellas calling all kinda players tuh compare with KJ, but have yuhs guys ever wonder why none of the players you prefer over KJ never made it onto as much as a league two team with all the trials they've been on?

cornel glenn, kerry baptiste, devon jorslin, jamal gay, kevon cornell, fack it, lets call some names!  collin samuels, jason scotland, anthony wolf, cornell glenn, gary glassgow, errol mc farlene, andre toussant, randy patterson, jason marcano, scott sealy, brent rahim and hector sam has never made it to the prem, seri A, laliga, eridivise, bundesliga or even the french (league one) with all the countless trials they've been on .

as ah matter of fact, since the world cup only one player (forward) apart from KJ got ah substantial contract in a best league and that was darryl roberts, scotty got ah play with wigan bc of martinez, but he could only musta up one goal in about 30 games, what a shame.

KJ on the other hand was in the top 3 scorers of the championship for two seasons in a row catching the eyes of billy davies who put in a $5 mil bid for the lad to join the rams after their promotion to the prem only to be picked off by roy keene.

all these players allyuh talking up with their pretty first touch, their ability to "shot on the run" and their uncanny knack tuh trap ah grain ah rice in thin air were all unable to land ah solid contract in league two, let alone a prestige league like the prem,

but KJ with his elephant touches, weak knees and pigeon toe not only made it to the prem, but stayed there for over 5 yrs keeping two promoted teams in the prem and scoring a double @ wembley in an FA cup semis, scoring against all the top teams in the prem during his time therin while earning the praise of many.

yeh KJ is an enigmatic player i will admit, and this could be mistaken for lack of ability, but to say this man eh shyte goes to show how much allyuh know, yuh mean to tell me that he fooled all these big football gurus in england, but not yuhs ppl on here.

from where i stand, the real problem we have is with our lack of creativity in midfield, we had two center mids in that midfield on both occasions who couldn't hold on to the ball long enough to make an impact, the wingers were going into the final third and losing the ball every time, and not putting in good crosses when we have one of the best headers of the ball in the world.

the mid field over work themselves for lack of creativity and after 75 mins could barely catch their breath or keep their concentration.

so don't blame jones, but blame his supporting cast, it's just like when he had pennant @ stoke he would score more than often, that's bc he had a supply of good opportunity pennent being ah damn good creative mid, but whelan, nzonzi and shotton lack the creative capabilities that goals are made of though being EPL players and all, so how could he get off with our midfield players who lack EPL quality? hek any quality!

have you guys noticed that we've been losing games bc we don't have creativity in the midfield and score less than any other team in concacaf, sh!t, who could score when the defenders keep dumping the ball in the box as opposed to running the ball into the opponents defensive 3rd, what forward could score under these circumstances?

they don't press for penalties or run @ defenders causing errors, what de fack kind of midfield is dat??!!

jones is ah big player, so is roberts, and we are yet to see them pair up in the center with good service down the middle or on the flanks, why aren't our coaches not seeing that this is where our problem lie.

we need goals from the midfield and forwards, not just jones.

Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: trini_stallion on March 29, 2013, 02:43:29 AM
Allyuh have time tuh study Sam and this nut alberta trini? if we did beat or even draw with peru and jones had ah double, all this talk about his inability would be dormant.

fellas calling all kinda players tuh compare with KJ, but have yuhs guys ever wonder why none of the players you prefer over KJ never made it onto as much as a league two team with all the trials they've been on?

cornel glenn, kerry baptiste, devon jorslin, jamal gay, kevon cornell, fack it, lets call some names!  collin samuels, jason scotland, anthony wolf, cornell glenn, gary glassgow, errol mc farlene, andre toussant, randy patterson, jason marcano, scott sealy, brent rahim and hector sam has never made it to the prem, seri A, laliga, eridivise, bundesliga or even the french (league one) with all the countless trials they've been on .

as ah matter of fact, since the world cup only one player (forward) apart from KJ got ah substantial contract in a best league and that was darryl roberts, scotty got ah play with wigan bc of martinez, but he could only musta up one goal in about 30 games, what a shame.

KJ on the other hand was in the top 3 scorers of the championship for two seasons in a row catching the eyes of billy davies who put in a $5 mil bid for the lad to join the rams after their promotion to the prem only to be picked off by roy keene.

all these players allyuh talking up with their pretty first touch, their ability to "shot on the run" and their uncanny knack tuh trap ah grain ah rice in thin air were all unable to land ah solid contract in league two, let alone a prestige league like the prem,

but KJ with his elephant touches, weak knees and pigeon toe not only made it to the prem, but stayed there for over 5 yrs keeping two promoted teams in the prem and scoring a double @ wembley in an FA cup semis, scoring against all the top teams in the prem during his time therin while earning the praise of many.

yeh KJ is an enigmatic player i will admit, and this could be mistaken for lack of ability, but to say this man eh shyte goes to show how much allyuh know, yuh mean to tell me that he fooled all these big football gurus in england, but not yuhs ppl on here.

from where i stand, the real problem we have is with our lack of creativity in midfield, we had two center mids in that midfield on both occasions who couldn't hold on to the ball long enough to make an impact, the wingers were going into the final third and losing the ball every time, and not putting in good crosses when we have one of the best headers of the ball in the world.

the mid field over work themselves for lack of creativity and after 75 mins could barely catch their breath or keep their concentration.

so don't blame jones, but blame his supporting cast, it's just like when he had pennant @ stoke he would score more than often, that's bc he had a supply of good opportunity pennent being ah damn good creative mid, but whelan, nzonzi and shotton lack the creative capabilities that goals are made of though being EPL players and all, so how could he get off with our midfield players who lack EPL quality? hek any quality!

have you guys noticed that we've been losing games bc we don't have creativity in the midfield and score less than any other team in concacaf, sh!t, who could score when the defenders keep dumping the ball in the box as opposed to running the ball into the opponents defensive 3rd, what forward could score under these circumstances?

they don't press for penalties or run @ defenders causing errors, what de fack kind of midfield is dat??!!

jones is ah big player, so is roberts, and we are yet to see them pair up in the center with good service down the middle or on the flanks, why aren't our coaches not seeing that this is where our problem lie.

we need goals from the midfield and forwards, not just jones.




Ehhhhhhh ah eh see nobody saying nothing. Match game win! JC spell it out for al yuh. Big up horse! Nice post. Some men like ah stubborn gyul on here...can't convince them to proper rationale.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 29, 2013, 04:42:47 AM
KJ is pure shit, just cool taking bout Championship league, de last time KJ played in de CL was 2005, 8 f00cking years ago, 8 years ago I was 28....

Maybe that is de league he should be playing in anyway.

KJ is a big good for nothing player. That is why de whole of Ato Boldon stadium boo him when they took him off vs Peru last month.

I not like trini_stallion, waiting for somebody to fight he battle with one setta long boring shit ass nonesense post.

I am Sam !!!!!!!!!

KJ brings NOTHING to the game, he is WEAK !!!!!!

KJ played with Latapy, Yorke, Whitley, Birchalll and still he could not score a goal. Man talking about we need a midfield, when Latas was still a T&T player KJ scored 1 goal, a free kick vs Peru in 2005.

They making all kinda excuses and KJ played with some of T&T's best.

In 21 LEAGUE games he scored 1 goal for Stoke last season. This season he have 3 in 22 games.

Everybody get fooled by KJ size, even Keane (where him now), you eh see not even Swansea want to pay more than 3 mill for him.

This man taking about years ago, years ago I use to bull 4/5 gal a day, now is 2 or 3 if ah lucky...

Ask Stoke if they want back they 8 mill they pay for Jones and see what they go say, infact, ask them if they go settle for half.

Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: trini_stallion on March 29, 2013, 05:55:05 AM
KJ is pure shit, just cool taking bout Championship league, de last time KJ played in de CL was 2005, 8 f00cking years ago, 8 years ago I was 28....

Maybe that is de league he should be playing in anyway.

KJ is a big good for nothing player. That is why de whole of Ato Boldon stadium boo him when they took him off vs Peru last month.

I not like trini_stallion, waiting for somebody to fight he battle with one setta long boring shit ass nonesense post.

I am Sam !!!!!!!!!







KJ brings NOTHING to the game, he is WEAK !!!!!!

KJ played with Latapy, Yorke, Whitley, Birchalll and still he could not score a goal. Man talking about we need a midfield, when Latas was still a T&T player KJ scored 1 goal, a free kick vs Peru in 2005.

They making all kinda excuses and KJ played with some of T&T's best.

In 21 LEAGUE games he scored 1 goal for Stoke last season. This season he have 3 in 22 games.

Everybody get fooled by KJ size, even Keane (where him now), you eh see not even Swansea want to pay more than 3 mill for him.

This man taking about years ago, years ago I use to bull 4/5 gal a day, now is 2 or 3 if ah lucky...

Ask Stoke if they want back they 8 mill they pay for Jones and see what they go say, infact, ask them if they go settle for half.



Sam you rel dotish...me eh waiting for nobody to fight no fight for me. JC just elaborated on what I was trying to get tjrough yuh thick skull. You was talking pure tata talking bout de midfield and supporting players. You like an annoying woman cuz you don't have no legit and supporting arguments bout kj otyer than he eh scoring for the red whitr and black...and wuh yuh talking bout...yuh used tuh juxk 4 o 5 times ah day...now yuh have arthritis and yuh luck if yuh could pull skin 2-3 times lol...


Look you wasting my time trying to debate with you. Look feel how yuh want to feel....de man going nd get pick come GC...hebfoing and get pick come WC qualifoers...that's all there is too it...and if yuh doh like that...well beat up like wgg cuz tgeres nothing yuhcld do about it
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 29, 2013, 06:27:35 AM
Yuh talking Spanish ?

I eh understanding de last part, but anyhow.

I have my opinion and you have yours.

KJ is SHIT !!!!!!!

And I hope one day he make me eat my words.

FOR EXAMPLE !!!!.... When Yorke legs got tired as a striker he finally commit to T&T then they drop him into midfield and he was our most effective player in the WC, he brought something to the table when he was not scoring goals.

What does KJ bring ?

Meh eh fighting dong nobody, all I asking is what does he bring ?

If he cannot be effective as a lone striker or he dont agree with the way T&T using him, say something, do something instead of just running without any sense and burning de little reputation yuh half remaining.

I feel a song coming on...

He trapping.... no.
He running... no.
He marking... no.
He jumping... no.
He shooting... no.
He loafing... no.
He passing... no.
He scoring... no.
He crossing... no.
He bawling... no.
He calling... no.
He looking for sub, plenty, plenty sub boy...
He looking for sub, plenty, plenty sub boy...
Yuh going to get sub boy...

Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: elan on March 29, 2013, 02:13:00 PM
Why pick a player that you cannot effectively deploy in your tactics and strategies? It's like drowning and picking up gold bars and putting them in your pocket for later.  :bs:

KJ is not the problem, the problem is the approach of the technical staff to design and effectively implement, assess and adapt tactics and strategies to consistently and decisively make use of each players' strengths during the course of the game, a tournament and more-so several campaigns.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: just cool on March 29, 2013, 03:17:43 PM
Sam you only spilling your guts, so i will let do just that, but let it be known that no amount of emotional responses will change the truth, and the truth is KJ is ah 50 calibre machine gun in the hands of a five yr old child who only ever shot a bb gun, wasteful wasteful wasteful.

the KJ who played under pancho, latas, pfister and now charles is not the same KJ who played for beenhakker. it's ah known fact that a coach makes all the difference in a players performance and a system could be the defining factor whether a player bums or shine.

sam said that KJ played with "T&T's best" latapy, whitley and birchal, pls don't make me fackin laugh!!  :rotfl: :rotfl: IMO jemaine pennent is ah better midfielder than latas, yeh latas good, no doubt be he eh no micheal essien, david silver or ryan gigs bro.

whitley is ah rough house midfielder like makalele or obi mikel, he is not a play maker like latas. as for birchall, how dare you!! this man could hardly hold on to a ball, and this is not a recent development, he's been doing this shyte ever since, that is why i don't like his game.

i would have rather you mentioned nakid, or dwarika, and even those guys are not sooo great though way better than birchall and some what on par with whitley, but kenwyne has never played along side a fantastic supporting cast of midfielders, he went through the same shyte same with sunderland as with stoke, all laborers!! and he still managed 10 goals a season.

you mentioned that he played 21 games last season and didn't score, bro that ah bit disingenuous, instead of stating the games , state the hrs instead, and i tell you why, last season KJ must have started in 5 games in the prem and of those five games he must have been subbed out in three, and the games he did start and played right through were euro league games of which he scored like 7 goals,

but to say the man played ah full season and only scored one goal, like i said before is disingenuous bc the man only came off the bench to cobo sweats, ah 15 mins here and ah 10 mins there, but no real time @ all so don't stay here and lie, bc i watch all KJ games and i know yuh misrepresenting the truth!

as for this season, the man started about 6 games and scored three goals, all the rest were unused subs or cobo sweats again, if yuh want tuh talk bout stats why don't you talk about the prior seasons where he was in double digits with ah laboring team that only hoof balls down the middle instead of playing the to man's strengths?

Yeh and the only reason i mentioned the championship is bc all the players you bigging up only dreamed of playing in that 2nd tier league of which jones mashed up and moved on, that's why i mentioned it.

you also mentioned that KJ played with T&T best, please, no wonder he don't have a high strike rate, ::) when KJ played with those guys he was 18 going on 19, as ah matter of fact when KJ played in the WC he was 20 and was the liveliest forward on the team, just go back and watch the england and paraguay game where he linked up with latas quite well.

under beenie KJ didn't play a lot of games, beenie used him sparingly up until the 2nd bahrain game in manama.  listen sam, i not saying the bredder is ah world beater, but he's not the problem we not scoring goals, it's our midfield that lack creativity.

most our center mids are laborers, bleeder, birchal, jovin jones (though i like this kid, he loses the ball a lot) hyland, keon edwards and daniel are laborers, even guerra is a laborer, the only creative midfielder we have is houton hector, and we are not goin to score goals if he and hyland don't team up in the middle.

IMO playing bleeder and birchal @ the same time is murder!! they must not be on the field all @ once, kevon carter must also be omitted, id rather see tinto TBH, bleeder should come on to close the show when we have a lead and need fresh legs and to maintain possession, but he should not be a starter ever again, or come on when we're chasing goals.

another thing, when would they learn that keon daniel is not a left winger, he doesn't have the speed for the position, also darrly robert is not a flank player, these guys supposed to be in the middle of the park or in an attacking position.

these ppl have no brains, bc if they did they would not be making the same mistakes over and over and over again. come on technical director and staff, where's your logic??
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: giggsy11 on March 29, 2013, 03:25:26 PM
Why pick a player that you cannot effectively deploy in your tactics and strategies? It's like drowning and picking up gold bars and putting them in your pocket for later.  :bs:

KJ is not the problem, the problem is the approach of the technical staff to design and effectively implement, assess and adapt tactics and strategies to consistently and decisively make use of each players' strengths during the course of the game, a tournament and more-so several campaigns.

So is he a baller? ;D
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: ballpriest on March 29, 2013, 03:28:35 PM
de man eh good... he too obzocky
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: just cool on March 29, 2013, 03:39:17 PM
de man eh good... he too obzocky
An 8 million dollar obzocky player that you would only dream of being.

trinis have ah real disrespect for we sportsmen and women yes, allyuh would never change as ah ppl, always fighting down our own and bigging up others, particularly ppl who don't give ah fork about us.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: elan on March 29, 2013, 03:44:11 PM
Why pick a player that you cannot effectively deploy in your tactics and strategies? It's like drowning and picking up gold bars and putting them in your pocket for later.  :bs:

KJ is not the problem, the problem is the approach of the technical staff to design and effectively implement, assess and adapt tactics and strategies to consistently and decisively make use of each players' strengths during the course of the game, a tournament and more-so several campaigns.

So is he a baller? ;D

No he is not a baller, but like chichi he can play and when used correctly he can be very effective.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: just cool on March 29, 2013, 03:58:01 PM
Why pick a player that you cannot effectively deploy in your tactics and strategies? It's like drowning and picking up gold bars and putting them in your pocket for later.  :bs:

KJ is not the problem, the problem is the approach of the technical staff to design and effectively implement, assess and adapt tactics and strategies to consistently and decisively make use of each players' strengths during the course of the game, a tournament and more-so several campaigns.

So is he a baller? ;D
Just as much a baller as marlon hearwood, jason roberts, sean wright phillips, carlton cole, micheal chopra, anichebe, naismith, rodallega, agbonlahor, odemwingie, and cameron jerome, bc he has outscored these players every year since he's been in the prem with the exception of the past season bc of him being relegated to the bench for reasons unknown.

the question should have been, is he ah "BEST" baller? of which "my" reply would be, "of course not, don't be ridiculous!"   ;)
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: just cool on March 29, 2013, 04:01:01 PM
Why pick a player that you cannot effectively deploy in your tactics and strategies? It's like drowning and picking up gold bars and putting them in your pocket for later.  :bs:

KJ is not the problem, the problem is the approach of the technical staff to design and effectively implement, assess and adapt tactics and strategies to consistently and decisively make use of each players' strengths during the course of the game, a tournament and more-so several campaigns.

So is he a baller? ;D

No he is not a baller, but like chichi he can play and when used correctly he can be very effective.
Wrong answer! eeeehhhhhhnnnggggg!!!!!!!
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: giggsy11 on March 29, 2013, 04:04:37 PM
Why pick a player that you cannot effectively deploy in your tactics and strategies? It's like drowning and picking up gold bars and putting them in your pocket for later.  :bs:

KJ is not the problem, the problem is the approach of the technical staff to design and effectively implement, assess and adapt tactics and strategies to consistently and decisively make use of each players' strengths during the course of the game, a tournament and more-so several campaigns.

So is he a baller? ;D

No he is not a baller, but like chichi he can play and when used correctly he can be very effective.

Elan you have guts oui. Play wat; de arse, the recorder, mas?
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 29, 2013, 04:08:53 PM
Sam you only spilling your guts, so i will let do just that, but let it be known that no amount of emotional responses will change the truth, and the truth is KJ is ah 50 calibre machine gun in the hands of a five yr old child who only ever shot a bb gun, wasteful wasteful wasteful.

the KJ who played under pancho, latas, pfister and now charles is not the same KJ who played for beenhakker. it's ah known fact that a coach makes all the difference in a players performance and a system could be the defining factor whether a player bums or shine.

sam said that KJ played with "T&T's best" latapy, whitley and birchal, pls don't make me fackin laugh!!  :rotfl: :rotfl: IMO jemaine pennent is ah better midfielder than latas, yeh latas good, no doubt be he eh no micheal essien, david silver or ryan gigs bro.

whitley is ah rough house midfielder like makalele or obi mikel, he is not a play maker like latas. as for birchall, how dare you!! this man could hardly hold on to a ball, and this is not a recent development, he's been doing this shyte ever since, that is why i don't like his game.

i would have rather you mentioned nakid, or dwarika, and even those guys are not sooo great though way better than birchall and some what on par with whitley, but kenwyne has never played along side a fantastic supporting cast of midfielders, he went through the same shyte same with sunderland as with stoke, all laborers!! and he still managed 10 goals a season.

you mentioned that he played 21 games last season and didn't score, bro that ah bit disingenuous, instead of stating the games , state the hrs instead, and i tell you why, last season KJ must have started in 5 games in the prem and of those five games he must have been subbed out in three, and the games he did start and played right through were euro league games of which he scored like 7 goals,

but to say the man played ah full season and only scored one goal, like i said before is disingenuous bc the man only came off the bench to cobo sweats, ah 15 mins here and ah 10 mins there, but no real time @ all so don't stay here and lie, bc i watch all KJ games and i know yuh misrepresenting the truth!

as for this season, the man started about 6 games and scored three goals, all the rest were unused subs or cobo sweats again, if yuh want tuh talk bout stats why don't you talk about the prior seasons where he was in double digits with ah laboring team that only hoof balls down the middle instead of playing the to man's strengths?

Yeh and the only reason i mentioned the championship is bc all the players you bigging up only dreamed of playing in that 2nd tier league of which jones mashed up and moved on, that's why i mentioned it.

you also mentioned that KJ played with T&T best, please, no wonder he don't have a high strike rate, ::) when KJ played with those guys he was 18 going on 19, as ah matter of fact when KJ played in the WC he was 20 and was the liveliest forward on the team, just go back and watch the england and paraguay game where he linked up with latas quite well.

under beenie KJ didn't play a lot of games, beenie used him sparingly up until the 2nd bahrain game in manama.  listen sam, i not saying the bredder is ah world beater, but he's not the problem we not scoring goals, it's our midfield that lack creativity.

most our center mids are laborers, bleeder, birchal, jovin jones (though i like this kid, he loses the ball a lot) hyland, keon edwards and daniel are laborers, even guerra is a laborer, the only creative midfielder we have is houton hector, and we are not goin to score goals if he and hyland don't team up in the middle.

IMO playing bleeder and birchal @ the same time is murder!! they must not be on the field all @ once, kevon carter must also be omitted, id rather see tinto TBH, bleeder should come on to close the show when we have a lead and need fresh legs and to maintain possession, but he should not be a starter ever again, or come on when we're chasing goals.

another thing, when would they learn that keon daniel is not a left winger, he doesn't have the speed for the position, also darrly robert is not a flank player, these guys supposed to be in the middle of the park or in an attacking position.

these ppl have no brains, bc if they did they would not be making the same mistakes over and over and over again. come on technical director and staff, where's your logic??

Yuh ever try to Strangle yuh prick ?

Like draw two eyes, a nose and a mouth on your cock head and choke it to death.

Tis is de definition of the way the T&T coaches using KJ according to you.

KJ is a professional football, de highest paid we have right now, he making more than de entire team plus coaches combine and he can make one tackle or take a single shot on goal.

You make lil points here and there, but I sticking with my guns, what does KJ bring to the game ?

just-cool, want Zidane, Maradona, Silva and Hazard supporting KJ in midfield and then he go be effective.

Infact, KJ so good, he could flip more times than he could hit de net.

Imagine we have a big 6 foot 4 hard back creole from Point who grow up eating cassava pone and he does run like he shoe lace untie and lil lil man kicking him dong.

I feel KJ shoulda be ah goalie.

Take away KJ size and today he woulda still be a right back playing for Joe Public if he lucky.

Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Dinner Mints on March 29, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
just-cool, want Zidane, Maradona, Silva and Hazard supporting KJ in midfield and then he go be effective.
No, allyuh want Messi in de front while de rest of de team is toots. KJ ain't de first, he's just de latest.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 29, 2013, 04:26:27 PM
just-cool, want Zidane, Maradona, Silva and Hazard supporting KJ in midfield and then he go be effective.
No, allyuh want Messi in de front while de rest of de team is toots. KJ ain't de first, he's just de latest.

De rest of de T&T team does all do their part bro, be honest. They DOES TRY HARD even if they not good, they does give they 100% more than what KJ does give, KJ does look like he running on water.

Wait, Chelsea might buy him soon, allyuh wait, he is de next Drogba. They does call him Dougla.

Roy Keane blow so much smoke up KJ ass he still dreaming about it when he on de field.

Seon Power is one of our best defenders today, why, cause he give 100%, he have heart like a lion even though he may not be technically good.

Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: just cool on March 29, 2013, 04:33:22 PM
Eh sam, i doh watch football wid my heart yuh know, but rather my brain.

yuh ever wonder why fellas like messi and cristiano ronaldo don't shine on international duty??

and them men have a good supporting cast, messi have man like di maria and deigo melito in his midfield, cristiano have veleso, pistiga and nani supporting him and they both does bum big time. what supporting cast KJ have that he should out shine these mega stars or do anything different??

my take on this, when they playing club football they have the best players along side them that money could buy, they also have ah chemistry and a bond with their club mates bc they play and practice along side these players for 10 months out of the yr,

but on international duty they come together for ah few days a yr to play ah rush rush game, how de hell allyuh expect players to perform well under such circumstances? no wonder yorke never shine playing for T&T. come on bro, it's a basic common sense argument.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 29, 2013, 04:41:07 PM
Eh sam, i doh watch football wid my heart yuh know, but rather my brain.

yuh ever wonder why fellas like messi and cristiano ronaldo don't shine on international duty??

and them men have a good supporting cast, messi have man like di maria and deigo melito in his midfield, cristiano have veleso, pistiga and nani supporting him and they does bum big time. what supporting cast KJ have that he should out shine these mega stars or do anything different??

my take, the reason for this is bc when they playing club football they have the best players along side them that money could buy, they also have ah chemistry and a bond with their club mates bc they play and practice along side these players for 10 months out of the yr,

but on international duty they come together for ah few days a yr to play ah rush rush game, how de hell allyuh expect players to perform well under such circumstances, no wonder yorke never shine playing for T&T. come on bro, it's a basic common sense argument.

Nobody expecting KJ to score a 100 goals bro.

He just need to contribute more in other areas if he cant score.

Nixon wasn't a good goal scoring striker for T&T, but he use to open doors for other players to score because he use to make runs that would be effective.

Ah wonder if Jorsling does get service, he mus he have bmobile.

Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: just cool on March 29, 2013, 04:52:43 PM
Eh sam, i doh watch football wid my heart yuh know, but rather my brain.

yuh ever wonder why fellas like messi and cristiano ronaldo don't shine on international duty??

and them men have a good supporting cast, messi have man like di maria and deigo melito in his midfield, cristiano have veleso, pistiga and nani supporting him and they does bum big time. what supporting cast KJ have that he should out shine these mega stars or do anything different??

my take, the reason for this is bc when they playing club football they have the best players along side them that money could buy, they also have ah chemistry and a bond with their club mates bc they play and practice along side these players for 10 months out of the yr,

but on international duty they come together for ah few days a yr to play ah rush rush game, how de hell allyuh expect players to perform well under such circumstances, no wonder yorke never shine playing for T&T. come on bro, it's a basic common sense argument.

Nobody expecting KJ to score a 100 goals bro.

He just need to contribute more in other areas if he cant score.

Nixon wasn't a good goal scoring striker for T&T, but he use to open doors for other players to score because he use to make runs that would be effective.

Ah wonder if Jorsling does get service, he mus he have bmobile.


Breds, KJ scored in the last three games he played for us outside of the two peru games and the belize encounter.

he scored against bermuda, and guyana twice, he also had two assist in the barbados game, he missed the 2nd bermuda and barbados encounter due to injury, and as yuh know we lost that  bermuda game, where no one else could find the netting.

as for jorslin, when last that slough scored for us?? our locals (especially the forwards) is ah waste of ah good call up.



PS: it's not KJ's fault that the coaches playing ah bad system!
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 29, 2013, 05:11:10 PM
Eh sam, i doh watch football wid my heart yuh know, but rather my brain.

yuh ever wonder why fellas like messi and cristiano ronaldo don't shine on international duty??

and them men have a good supporting cast, messi have man like di maria and deigo melito in his midfield, cristiano have veleso, pistiga and nani supporting him and they does bum big time. what supporting cast KJ have that he should out shine these mega stars or do anything different??

my take, the reason for this is bc when they playing club football they have the best players along side them that money could buy, they also have ah chemistry and a bond with their club mates bc they play and practice along side these players for 10 months out of the yr,

but on international duty they come together for ah few days a yr to play ah rush rush game, how de hell allyuh expect players to perform well under such circumstances, no wonder yorke never shine playing for T&T. come on bro, it's a basic common sense argument.

Nobody expecting KJ to score a 100 goals bro.

He just need to contribute more in other areas if he cant score.

Nixon wasn't a good goal scoring striker for T&T, but he use to open doors for other players to score because he use to make runs that would be effective.

Ah wonder if Jorsling does get service, he mus he have bmobile.


Breds, KJ scored in the last three games he played for us outside of the two peru games and the belize encounter.

he scored against bermuda, and guyana twice, he also had two assist in the barbados game, he missed the 2nd bermuda and barbados encounter due to injury, and as yuh know we lost that  bermuda game, where no one else could find the netting.

as for jorslin, when last that slough scored for us?? our locals (especially the forwards) is ah waste of ah good call up.



PS: it's not KJ's fault that the coaches playing ah bad system!

I guess every T&T coaches using KJ badly then.

I'll tell you what.

He cost Stoke 8 mill, so ah using 8 as de magic number.

If KJ can score 8 goals this year (2012/13 EPL season) between Stoke and T&T I will buy his shirt and I would make a public apology to de goat, ah mean striker, ah mean, or, forget it, yuh know what ah mean.

So because of we coach T&T playing with 10 men when KJ on de field ?

Plaza, Gay and Jorsling score 4 goals just 3 months ago, KJ score 2 two years ago.

5 plus 5 is really 12.

Wok out de % they for meh, ah cah check....

STRIKERS

Jones - 52 games 7 goal.

Gay - 16 games 7 goal.

Plaza - 7 games 4 goal.

Jorsling - 38 games 17 goal.

Roberts - 23 games 6 goal.

MIDFIELD

Keon - 56 games 13 goal.

Carter - 27 games 5 goal.

Hector - 27 games 7 goal.

Peltier - 17 games 5 goal.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: D.H.W on March 29, 2013, 05:15:02 PM
Saw kj play against Cuba. The man was loafing offside no urgency etc. Really don't know what goes on in his head at times.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Peong on March 29, 2013, 05:23:09 PM
Saw kj play against Cuba. The man was loafing offside no urgency etc. Really don't know what goes on in his head at times.

He too heavy, it takes a lot of energy to move all that mass around.  He will run when he needs to. Some of the time. If the ball is a good one.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: just cool on March 29, 2013, 05:44:08 PM
Sam yuhs ah lunatic or what??

everything yuh touch on is irrelevant. the 8 mil that stoke payed for KJ was already repaid three times over. his goals kept them in the prem for three seasons, and took them to the FA cup final and euafa league for the first time in their history.

do you know how much money a team gets for staying in the prem?? 40 mil pounds!! yuh eh think that KJ netted stoke 120 mil pounds for the three yrs they stayed up from his 10 plus goals, and the money they got for the uero league as well has warranted the 8 mil you keep harping on.

as for sunderland, he also kept them in the prem for three plus seasons, also netting them 120 mil pounds, what more allyuh want from the bredder!!??  :frustrated:

he did his job playing for two relegation fodder teams and keeping them in a prestigious league trice over! you think it easy to play for struggling teams in such ah big money league?

just ask carlton cole and sean writght phillips since them men played for big money prestigious teams, only to find themselves @ the end of their career playing for relegation fodder. is no service, no thinking no passing unintelligent ballers who servicing yuh sand KJ still shine through, imagine if he played for chelsea or arsenal.

and yuh see all them goal stats you showing there, well most of them came from friendlies against teams like guyana and st kitts. when donkey foot jorslin start scoring against big teams like mexico and panama then put up them stats.

jamal gay scored ah hatrick against fackin anguilla the worst team in concacaf! imagine ah little pebble in the middle of the sea with no infrastructure, i know bc i went there, it's ah dusty rock in the middle of no where that don't even have an airport, matter of fact the only way on that island is by a small ferry boat from st marteen.

the only person i rate on that list is keon daniel, he scored on some worthy opponents, but not jorslin, i'd rather you quoted kerry baptiste name, he too is another talented goal threat, but fack jorslin and jamal gay, those bums, how could you ever compare them with ah man who scored on every top keeper in the prem!  something scotty obviously could not aspire too.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: just cool on March 29, 2013, 05:46:16 PM
Saw kj play against Cuba. The man was loafing offside no urgency etc. Really don't know what goes on in his head at times.
Breds the man had just came off injury in that game, he was in therapy with the david james collision. i want to believe that injury kind of ended KJ's goal scoring career, same way carlos broken leg ended his.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: ballpriest on March 29, 2013, 08:54:24 PM
so much time de man geh ball right in front de goal and he fall dung jes so..de man eh good.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Forever Warrior on March 29, 2013, 08:57:26 PM
Somebody getting commission for every "in defence of kj" post  :rotfl:
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: coache on March 29, 2013, 09:34:37 PM
No hope.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: elan on March 29, 2013, 10:14:49 PM
Why alyuh doh haul alyuh arse, Dwighty as scoring 20 something goals at Man United and couldn't buss de net for T&T. KJ can play, yuh feel he reach where he is by jogging around the field. Is not Turkminestan or Guam, or Pakistanalabad the man playing is the EPL....home of the European Champions League Champions.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: giggsy11 on March 29, 2013, 10:42:55 PM
IMO since Jones started off as a defensive player he lacked the offensive skill set needed as a forward and somebody decided he would be productive as a forward because he could jump and head the ball. Similar to somebody thinking because a person is tall he/she should be playing basketball or should be able to play basketball. KJ lacks the  football sense/feel, tuh initiate/anticipate on the field, which leads to him reacting if the ball happens to be in his vicinity. His lack of football sense also contributes to him not making runs to receive the ball but depending on the ball to find him. He is probably aware of this short coming and as a result tends to float in and out of games while attempting to give the impression he is actually trying. His intial strength which is heading the ball continues but he failed to develop other parts of his game that could help him to be a more deadly/effective footballer. Nobody has time to build their team around a one demensional and inconsistent player.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 30, 2013, 03:00:25 AM
De worst striker in T&T right now Devorn Jorsling is 10 times better than Kenwyne Jones.

just cool, put that is de challis and smoke it.

And this next asshole they call elan just running up he mouth like ah f00cking ole goat.

If you read my post you will see I said "FOR EXAMPLE !!!!.... When Yorke legs got tired as a striker he finally commit to T&T then they drop him into midfield and he was our most effective player in the WC, he brought something to the table when he was not scoring goals."

Allyuh just tak !!! tak...
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: just cool on March 30, 2013, 03:23:34 AM
De worst striker in T&T right now Devorn Jorsling is 10 times better than Kenwyne Jones.

just cool, put that is de challis and smoke it.

And this next asshole they call elan just running up he mouth like ah f00cking ole goat.

If you read my post you will see I said "FOR EXAMPLE !!!!.... When Yorke legs got tired as a striker he finally commit to T&T then they drop him into midfield and he was our most effective player in the WC, he brought something to the table when he was not scoring goals."

Allyuh just tak !!! tak...

You got jokes.

if he (jorslin) was ssooo good then he should @ least be playing or have played in the conference league in england, but the boy went to the USL for ah whole season and only managed one solitary fackin goal, yeh he real good! ah sure he good for @ least 12 goals ah season in the EPL if not more.   ;D
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 30, 2013, 03:30:37 AM
Imagine that and I go still pick him over KJ.

Imagine KJ is a season pro, playing in de EPL years now and last year he score ONE league goal.

Atleast Orlando caught up with shitsnake Jorsling early, sooner than later they go figure out KJ running on hype and if he lucky he might be playing for Luton Town in two years.

Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: just cool on March 30, 2013, 03:38:13 AM
Imagine that and I go still pick him over KJ.

Imagine KJ is a season pro, playing in de EPL years now and last year he score ONE league goal.

Atleast Orlando caught up with shitsnake Jorsling early, sooner than later they go figure out KJ running on hype and if he lucky he might be playing for Luton Town in two years.


How many hours did he play last season, i already told yuh to @ least be forthcoming in the midths of all yuh bias and hatred.

last yr KJ and pennent was subject to ah serious fight down by pulis hence the reason KJ only played in the europa league and very few prem games, and it continues into this season and @ present. BTW kj scored 7 goals last season and got minimal hours in the prem.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 30, 2013, 03:58:50 AM
KJ had one LEAGUE goal last season.

Blame everybody for KJ poor showing except him.

We have Carlos and Peltier.

Look Pennant carring Jones.

(http://www.secondose.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/goat_011.jpg)

Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 30, 2013, 05:20:32 AM
Ah listening some Pac now, I about to go take a early morning sweat.

You little young ass motherf**kers
Don't one of you niggaz got sickle cell or somethin?
You f**kin with me nigga you f**k around
and have a seizure or a heart-attack
You better back the f**k up, fore you get smacked the f**k up
That's how we do it on our side
Any of you niggaz from New York that wanna bring it bring it
But we ain't singin, we bringin drama
f**k you and your motherf**kin mama
We gonna kill all you motherf**kers
Now when I came out I told you it was just about Biggie
Then everybody had to open their mouth with a motherf**kin opinion
Well this how we gonna do this
f**k Mobb Deep
f**k Biggie
f**k Bad Boy as a staff record label
and as a motherf**kin crew
And if you wanna be down with Bad Boy
Then f**k you too
Chino XL, f**k you too
All you motherf**kers, f**k you too


Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Errol on March 30, 2013, 05:25:35 AM
Quote
Yuh ever try to Strangle yuh prick ?

Like draw two eyes, a nose and a mouth on your cock head and choke it to death.

Tis is de definition of the way the T&T coaches using KJ according to you.

Sam, I go use this. And that pic real funny, poor KJ.

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 30, 2013, 08:09:37 AM
Why alyuh doh haul alyuh arse, Dwighty as scoring 20 something goals at Man United and couldn't buss de net for T&T. KJ can play, yuh feel he reach where he is by jogging around the field. Is not Turkminestan or Guam, or Pakistanalabad the man playing is the EPL....home of the European Champions League Champions.

   Yuh damned right, Dwight wasn't producing for TnT the same way he was producing for manu, but at least all that left us was wanting Dwight to live up to a standard he had well established as his own.  At least Dwight showed, somewhere on some pitch, that he was a phenomenal player and a force to be reckoned with.  Latapy, who many may argue never lived up to his full potential, still proved on some level, that he was well worth the time of some club or country.  Kenwyne Jones is barely proving that about himself.  In fact, it may even be terribly unfair to mention him in the same scroll as Latas and Dwight because he is simply not as equally talented....or motivated. So, just because he is on the roster of some club that is playing in the same league of the defending European champions, doesn't mean he's not a shithong.  It does have shithong in the World Cup and all so what is de Premiership? All I seein' is men making more excuses for KJ than his play is making a real name for himself. 
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: elan on March 30, 2013, 04:52:44 PM
De worst striker in T&T right now Devorn Jorsling is 10 times better than Kenwyne Jones.

just cool, put that is de challis and smoke it.

And this next asshole they call elan just running up he mouth like ah f00cking ole goat.

If you read my post you will see I said "FOR EXAMPLE !!!!.... When Yorke legs got tired as a striker he finally commit to T&T then they drop him into midfield and he was our most effective player in the WC, he brought something to the table when he was not scoring goals."

Allyuh just tak !!! tak...


Sam you is ah rel cunny, they should start charging yuh to use the site so it will limit the amount ah :bs: yuh does write. Devon Jorsling better than KJ, lol good one. Who say Jorsling Good, Shabazz.......stueps.  Kj was taken out of T&T by top coaches. Is not me who say he good, is the coaches who spend 8 million pounds for him. Jorsling probably cyah carry 8 lbs ah potato. Rock so nah Sam Bo
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: elan on March 30, 2013, 05:03:56 PM
Why alyuh doh haul alyuh arse, Dwighty as scoring 20 something goals at Man United and couldn't buss de net for T&T. KJ can play, yuh feel he reach where he is by jogging around the field. Is not Turkminestan or Guam, or Pakistanalabad the man playing is the EPL....home of the European Champions League Champions.

   Yuh damned right, Dwight wasn't producing for TnT the same way he was producing for manu, but at least all that left us was wanting Dwight to live up to a standard he had well established as his own.  At least Dwight showed, somewhere on some pitch, that he was a phenomenal player and a force to be reckoned with.  Latapy, who many may argue never lived up to his full potential, still proved on some level, that he was well worth the time of some club or country.  Kenwyne Jones is barely proving that about himself.  In fact, it may even be terribly unfair to mention him in the same scroll as Latas and Dwight because he is simply not as equally talented....or motivated. So, just because he is on the roster of some club that is playing in the same league of the defending European champions, doesn't mean he's not a shithong.  It does have shithong in the World Cup and all so what is de Premiership? All I seein' is men making more excuses for KJ than his play is making a real name for himself. 

KJ seems to be the type of player where yo have to build your team around him. He is not a pure striker or even a natural forward, muchless for a goal scorer. Having said that, he has shown that when a team is oriented to his strength and a coach takes the time to bring him into the tactical arrangement he CAN produce. As I answered Giggsy, he is not a baller, however he can play.

Look at Barca, yo think Messi will score as much goals if the team play is not centered around him? Ronaldo, Rooney, RVP....?  We play by happenstance. You can see we don't have a final phase to our game, so whenever we get ah goal we have to take ah goal. How many passes do we make in the final 1/3rd of the game consistently? How many quality crosses to we record? How many corners do we generate? How often do we play to allow KJ or any striker to get into the box to enable the final touch?

Man this is not long time football, football is a science, a brain game, a big brain game, and to say ah man just eh scoring is ignorance. Look at our build-up play over various games. Alyuh could say what alyuh want about the fella, me eh know he, but I think it's a bit unfair to just waste down de fella, especially in this set up.

But hey, let Sam explain it, he and Beenhaker was good.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: asylumseeker on March 30, 2013, 05:57:21 PM
Some questions:

1. Would it be worth it to build a NT squad around KJ?
2. Who would a squad built around KJ be comprised of?
3. Would building a NT squad around KJ resolve other concerns?
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: elan on March 30, 2013, 06:40:07 PM
1q2
Some questions:

1. Would it be worth it to build a NT squad around KJ?
No
2. Who would a squad built around KJ be comprised of?
Have no idea as we do not give enough players proper exposure to see who can be consistent. ( Peltier, Hyland, Robertsetc have not ever really featured). So it will be hard for me to say.

3. Would building a NT squad around KJ resolve other concerns?
No


But, if you are choosing him and expect him to generate goals, then some part of the tactics will have to be designed to suit him.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: asylumseeker on March 30, 2013, 06:57:52 PM
1q2
Some questions:

1. Would it be worth it to build a NT squad around KJ?
No
2. Who would a squad built around KJ be comprised of?
Have no idea as we do not give enough players proper exposure to see who can be consistent. ( Peltier, Hyland, Robertsetc have not ever really featured). So it will be hard for me to say.

3. Would building a NT squad around KJ resolve other concerns?
No


But, if you are choosing him and expect him to generate goals, then some part of the tactics will have to be designed to suit him.

I agree with your responses.

KJ should not be the first choice to generate goals, as such designing tactics to suit him is not a pragmatic approach ... particularly with an elimination tournament in mind and the evidence of having gone several games (I'm referring to the team in general) not having scored goals.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: elan on March 30, 2013, 07:47:58 PM
1q2
Some questions:

1. Would it be worth it to build a NT squad around KJ?
No
2. Who would a squad built around KJ be comprised of?
Have no idea as we do not give enough players proper exposure to see who can be consistent. ( Peltier, Hyland, Robertsetc have not ever really featured). So it will be hard for me to say.

3. Would building a NT squad around KJ resolve other concerns?
No


But, if you are choosing him and expect him to generate goals, then some part of the tactics will have to be designed to suit him.

I agree with your responses.

KJ should not be the first choice to generate goals, as such designing tactics to suit him is not a pragmatic approach ... particularly with an elimination tournament in mind and the evidence of having gone several games (I'm referring to the team in general) not having scored goals.

So, do you think that this is the case, the coaches being pragmatic?
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: asylumseeker on March 30, 2013, 09:35:55 PM
1q2
Some questions:

1. Would it be worth it to build a NT squad around KJ?
No
2. Who would a squad built around KJ be comprised of?
Have no idea as we do not give enough players proper exposure to see who can be consistent. ( Peltier, Hyland, Robertsetc have not ever really featured). So it will be hard for me to say.

3. Would building a NT squad around KJ resolve other concerns?
No


But, if you are choosing him and expect him to generate goals, then some part of the tactics will have to be designed to suit him.

I agree with your responses.

KJ should not be the first choice to generate goals, as such designing tactics to suit him is not a pragmatic approach ... particularly with an elimination tournament in mind and the evidence of having gone several games (I'm referring to the team in general) not having scored goals.

So, do you think that this is the case, the coaches being pragmatic?

Yuh inviting me to go to an area I've declined to go ...

I've not gone there yet because I would like to take another look at the Peru away game in a more dispassionate, less-irritated manner than when I saw it the first time. I would like to give players and decision-makers the benefit of the doubt. That stated, I am doubtful the tacticians will escape condemnation. My fear is that some players will suffer for being placed in a situation that could only have produced the result it did.

I think it was Beenieman who said "ooonoo ah shoot di wrong setta people right now". The coaching staff has commented that some players have been found wanting, but this finding doesn't explain everything away (and should not monopolize how we assess performances) when there's more than a sliver of evidence that the tactical orientation and posture adopted by the team is/was itself wanting. That buck rests in 1 or more of 3 places ... coach 1, coach 2 and/or TD.

I described myself as "irritated", buh trust me ... it was worse than that. Literally, when I got to it ... I had to stop watching video of the game in mid-stream. And that decision was provoked exclusively by our obvious lack of defensive cohesion even before goals 2 and 3.

On top of that, I took it on the chin when a respected Argentine soccer mind described our tactical scheme as "rudimentary" ... the sad thing being, he didn't need to be an internationally-respected soccer mind to come to that conclusion. The deficiency has been glaringly obvious to posters.

The lack of defensive cohesion chafed because the manner in which the players responded to the opponent being in possession told me that even if the coaching staff spent time articulating what our defensive posture would be when not in possession, the coaches could not have done (enough?) effective work on the training ground! But even with that ... that's not a product of the international calendar and its limitations. Our reaction to the situation could tell yuh that.

The lack of defensive cohesion by itself is an indefensible proposition, and I think it's high time we cease being tolerant as our marginal football reputation challenges the gutter for height.

I make no apology in saying that what I saw could in no way represent the best Trinidad & Tobago has to offer on a football field (and I'm not referring to the players!).

Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: elan on March 30, 2013, 10:49:43 PM
1q2
Some questions:

1. Would it be worth it to build a NT squad around KJ?
No
2. Who would a squad built around KJ be comprised of?
Have no idea as we do not give enough players proper exposure to see who can be consistent. ( Peltier, Hyland, Robertsetc have not ever really featured). So it will be hard for me to say.

3. Would building a NT squad around KJ resolve other concerns?
No


But, if you are choosing him and expect him to generate goals, then some part of the tactics will have to be designed to suit him.

I agree with your responses.

KJ should not be the first choice to generate goals, as such designing tactics to suit him is not a pragmatic approach ... particularly with an elimination tournament in mind and the evidence of having gone several games (I'm referring to the team in general) not having scored goals.

So, do you think that this is the case, the coaches being pragmatic?

Yuh inviting me to go to an area I've declined to go ...

I've not gone there yet because I would like to take another look at the Peru away game in a more dispassionate, less-irritated manner than when I saw it the first time. I would like to give players and decision-makers the benefit of the doubt. That stated, I am doubtful the tacticians will escape condemnation. My fear is that some players will suffer for being placed in a situation that could only have produced the result it did.

I think it was Beenieman who said "ooonoo ah shoot di wrong setta people right now". The coaching staff has commented that some players have been found wanting, but this finding doesn't explain everything away (and should not monopolize how we assess performances) when there's more than a sliver of evidence that the tactical orientation and posture adopted by the team is/was itself wanting. That buck rests in 1 or more of 3 places ... coach 1, coach 2 and/or TD.

I described myself as "irritated", buh trust me ... it was worse than that. Literally, when I got to it ... I had to stop watching video of the game in mid-stream. And that decision was provoked exclusively by our obvious lack of defensive cohesion even before goals 2 and 3.

On top of that, I took it on the chin when a respected Argentine soccer mind described our tactical scheme as "rudimentary" ... the sad thing being, he didn't need to be an internationally-respected soccer mind to come to that conclusion. The deficiency has been glaringly obvious to posters.

The lack of defensive cohesion chafed because the manner in which the players responded to the opponent being in possession told me that even if the coaching staff spent time articulating what our defensive posture would be when not in possession, the coaches could not have done (enough?) effective work on the training ground! But even with that ... that's not a product of the international calendar and its limitations. Our reaction to the situation could tell yuh that.

The lack of defensive cohesion by itself is an indefensible proposition, and I think it's high time we cease being tolerant as our marginal football reputation challenges the gutter for height.

I make no apology in saying that what I saw could in no way represent the best Trinidad & Tobago has to offer on a football field (and I'm not referring to the players!).



I think you nudged me to go watch
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: elan on March 30, 2013, 11:11:02 PM
Why did we constantly ended up in this situation, It was a recurring theme through out the highlight.

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Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 30, 2013, 11:39:38 PM
Why alyuh doh haul alyuh arse, Dwighty as scoring 20 something goals at Man United and couldn't buss de net for T&T. KJ can play, yuh feel he reach where he is by jogging around the field. Is not Turkminestan or Guam, or Pakistanalabad the man playing is the EPL....home of the European Champions League Champions.

   Yuh damned right, Dwight wasn't producing for TnT the same way he was producing for manu, but at least all that left us was wanting Dwight to live up to a standard he had well established as his own.  At least Dwight showed, somewhere on some pitch, that he was a phenomenal player and a force to be reckoned with.  Latapy, who many may argue never lived up to his full potential, still proved on some level, that he was well worth the time of some club or country.  Kenwyne Jones is barely proving that about himself.  In fact, it may even be terribly unfair to mention him in the same scroll as Latas and Dwight because he is simply not as equally talented....or motivated. So, just because he is on the roster of some club that is playing in the same league of the defending European champions, doesn't mean he's not a shithong.  It does have shithong in the World Cup and all so what is de Premiership? All I seein' is men making more excuses for KJ than his play is making a real name for himself. 

KJ seems to be the type of player where yo have to build your team around him. He is not a pure striker or even a natural forward, muchless for a goal scorer. Having said that, he has shown that when a team is oriented to his strength and a coach takes the time to bring him into the tactical arrangement he CAN produce. As I answered Giggsy, he is not a baller, however he can play.

Look at Barca, yo think Messi will score as much goals if the team play is not centered around him? Ronaldo, Rooney, RVP....?  We play by happenstance. You can see we don't have a final phase to our game, so whenever we get ah goal we have to take ah goal. How many passes do we make in the final 1/3rd of the game consistently? How many quality crosses to we record? How many corners do we generate? How often do we play to allow KJ or any striker to get into the box to enable the final touch?

Man this is not long time football, football is a science, a brain game, a big brain game, and to say ah man just eh scoring is ignorance. Look at our build-up play over various games. Alyuh could say what alyuh want about the fella, me eh know he, but I think it's a bit unfair to just waste down de fella, especially in this set up.

But hey, let Sam explain it, he and Beenhaker was good.

  Boss, you using names like Messi, Ronaldo, RvP and (god forbid) even rooney, to make an analogy on building a team around Kenwyne Jones?!?! You HAVE to be smokin' crack.  You making it seem as though people are using just sheer scoring numbers to "waste the man down" when nothing could be further from the truth.  You can build teams around them names you called their because, in each of their own individual rights, they are, one way or another, proven, exceptional players. Kenwyne Jones is far from that.  How can you talk of building a team around a player that has ONE strength, and that is that he is a decent header of the ball. ALL other aspects of his fundamental game are terribly lacking: poor first touch; poor shooter; he's not known for his (1)passing OR his (2)dribbling prowess, he has a mediocre work rate (at best) and, for his size, he seems to be physically weak both on and off the ball. C'mon, son!!   
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: just cool on March 31, 2013, 02:18:55 AM
Kenwyne only have one strength?? you either mad or yuh don't watch enough of jones.

the first goal dat he scored in the EPL against redding was ah sweet turn and fire with the left foot @ an acute angle his 2nd game in a sunderland jersey @ that to break his cherry.

he also scored ah wonder goal against tottenham two seasons ago, and against ryner that same season, and there are many occasion where he scored with his foot and nice goals too.

jones is also very speedy and has ah good assist rate. allyuh ever stop to wonder that KJ might just hate the system that he plays and does not look forward to playing this bland less than productive system??

english football and managers are as bland as the foods they eat, it's ah kick away the ball system for the most part. 

roy keene played kick away the ball, sprager played kick away the ball, bruce and pulis also plays dump the ball and hope for ah miracle, fack, i will be fedup and unmotivated with dat system meh damn self!

bet if KJ played for ah villas boas, ah wenger, ah benitez or ah mancini he would do way way better! which brings me back to T&T, the main reason why we lose so many games is bc our midfield has always neglected their responsibilities.

take forinstance last week's game in peru. we went up for a corner and got caught on a counter attack, the defense is caught out of position and our transition was slow to reorganize the defense, what did our midfield do?? they literally walked back on transition.

birchall was the only one who sprung into action, and he himself instead of putting in ah solid tackle he escorted the player to the half way line allowing him to make the past to the winger resulting in a cross that lead to the goal. any other midfielder in concacaf or comebol would have brought him down and took ah card for the team.

our defenders were out of position, and not only that but were disorganized and out of shape! he needed to stop the play and allow the team time to recoop, why was that attacker who headed the ball past phillips unmarked? that is unheard of in today's football!

we had five midfielders on the field and none of them had the good sense to put a body on this guy?

another point to this is the fact that you're using two laborers in the most creative position CM position,  bleeder is ah laborer and keon edwards is ah laborer as well as is birchall, so we have no creativity down the middle! and the two wingers were getting fouled every time they touched the ball, allowing the defense to reorganize making it harder to break them down.

have you guys ever notice that T&T defense is the easiest thing to score on once you discombobulate them??  anytime there's rapid ball movement and quick running @ them they does be all over the place leaving players unmarked to slip passed them and score some of the easiest goals on record.

that's bc the midfield don't kill the play before it build up, this has been my observation, our midfield don't help our defense @ all, this is why beenhaaker played with 5 midfielders most of the time, bc when yuh don't have an iron clad defense yuh have to supplement it with ah work horse midfield.

our midfield is and has always been the problem, they are an unconditioned out of shape bunch of laborers, with the exception of houton hector and maybe hyland, but the rest could scarcely change the complexity of a game and turn it into a running game or a possession game.

only latapy had that ability, and now hector to some extent, but the rest are laborers and laborers seldom set up or create goal scoring opportunities.  so what allyuh want KJ to do bout dat??  stuueeeppsss!!

Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 31, 2013, 05:05:17 AM
Ah bounch up Kenwyne in training when he was in T&T last time, ah manage to get a shot with him, cool fella man.

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Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: just cool on March 31, 2013, 05:47:47 AM
Ah bounch up Kenwyne in training when he was in T&T last time, ah manage to get a shot with him, cool fella man.

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I see yuh can't tell the difference between the two specie, same way yuh cyar tell between ah talented player and ah bum! (jorslin/kenwyne). BTW that is ah picture of a sheep and not a goat boss, big difference.  ;)
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 31, 2013, 05:50:01 AM
This is a sheep bro, that other picture was a nanny goat.... and besides, who cares, ok, he is half goat and half sheep.

(http://www.animalpictures123.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Mother-And-Little-Sheep.jpeg)

Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 31, 2013, 05:52:55 AM
And I never said Jorsling was good, I said - De worst striker in T&T right now Devorn Jorsling is 10 times better than Kenwyne Jones.

And I am trying to say, I would pick him over Jones, thats how bad I think KJ performs for T&T. I was using a scarasium.

Dont misquote me, if yuh cant argue vote for NJAC.


Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 31, 2013, 06:02:33 AM
Allyuh watch this 6 foot stiker here...

22 and 44 seconds in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceDIWOuzeNw

De man real good, he should play netball.

Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: just cool on March 31, 2013, 01:27:26 PM
Allyuh watch this 6 foot stiker here...

22 and 44 seconds in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceDIWOuzeNw

De man real good, he should play netball.


Dat was a terrible miss i will admit, but i've seen worst from better strikers. hek you acting like big name players don't get their feet twisted @ times.

 BTW @ sec 22, that was ah foul, the man spill over on jones, plus who knows if he was trying to win ah penalty, yuh never know.

BTW the fella who made that run wearing the # 7 jersey have some good speed and ball control.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Peong on March 31, 2013, 02:32:58 PM
Allyuh watch this 6 foot stiker here...

22 and 44 seconds in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceDIWOuzeNw

De man real good, he should play netball.


Dat was a terrible miss i will admit, but i've seen worst from better strikers. hek you acting like big name players don't get their feet twisted @ times.

BTW @ sec 22, that was ah foul, the man spill over on jones, plus who knows if he was trying to win ah penalty, yuh never know.

BTW the fella who made that run wearing the # 7 jersey have some good speed and ball control.

JC yuh go defend dat?  KJ throw himself after he miscontrol the ball and feel the defender bump him.  Poor poor poor.
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: just cool on March 31, 2013, 02:49:37 PM
Allyuh watch this 6 foot stiker here...

22 and 44 seconds in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceDIWOuzeNw

De man real good, he should play netball.


Dat was a terrible miss i will admit, but i've seen worst from better strikers. hek you acting like big name players don't get their feet twisted @ times.

BTW @ sec 22, that was ah foul, the man spill over on jones, plus who knows if he was trying to win ah penalty, yuh never know.

BTW the fella who made that run wearing the # 7 jersey have some good speed and ball control.

JC yuh go defend dat?  KJ throw himself after he miscontrol the ball and feel the defender bump him.  Poor poor poor.
OK, whatever the case, it happens in football, man slip man fall man miss control ball, man even miss open goal mouth all alone with no pressure, i've seen worst, it's all in ah days work and part and parcel of the beautiful game. :whistling:
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: Sam on March 31, 2013, 04:21:14 PM
A BIG tune, dedicated to T&T's number one striker Kenwyne Jones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMnsR3ufLzc

Enjoy fellas.

Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: ballpriest on March 31, 2013, 08:25:34 PM
how much time de man go fall dong when he ha goal to score..
Title: Re: What impact has KJ made to the national team? goals etc..
Post by: just cool on April 01, 2013, 04:53:28 AM
how much time de man go fall dong when he ha goal to score..
As for you!! i make you out from your first post, you're another alter ego of someone who don't have the balls tuh troll on their initial membership, so yuh put on another face just to fack wid ppl.

 so go back under yuh bridge troll wid yuh bumpy nose self and stop trying tuh teef ppl head, be ah good little troll now, down boy down.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on April 01, 2013, 11:25:53 AM
how much time de man go fall dong when he ha goal to score..
As for you!! i make you out from your first post, you're another alter ego of someone who don't have the balls tuh troll on their initial membership, so yuh put on another face just to fack wid ppl.

 so go back under yuh bridge troll wid yuh bumpy nose self and stop trying tuh teef ppl head, be ah good little troll now, down boy down.

But he makes a good point.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: trini_stallion on April 01, 2013, 07:09:12 PM
Arm chair coaches...all yuh go and play in de epl nahh...busss net fuh so rite....men gehn paid big money to play ball...men that qualified and trained pick de man...but we on we couch know better....send all yuh resume.all yuh know talent
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Savannah boy on April 01, 2013, 09:24:17 PM
This thread have real legs boy. Allyuh gone from calling de man ah Austin Cambridge or a Morris Oxford to almost saying he is a failure. KJ need service. If he eh getting it in de EPL playing for so so teams, he certainly eh go get it here with a five pass and lose it team. His work rate could be better but he eh alone in that regard.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: coache on April 01, 2013, 09:30:49 PM
Allyuh does well make me laugh ..I like coming on dis forum to geh my Jones.. :rotfl:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on April 01, 2013, 09:39:44 PM
This thread have real legs boy. Allyuh gone from calling de man ah Austin Cambridge or a Morris Oxford to almost saying he is a failure. KJ need service. If he eh getting it in de EPL playing for so so teams, he certainly eh go get it here with a five pass and lose it team. His work rate could be better but he eh alone in that regard.

... and that includes negative passes.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mango Chow! on April 02, 2013, 05:38:04 AM
Arm chair coaches...all yuh go and play in de epl nahh...busss net fuh so rite....men gehn paid big money to play ball...men that qualified and trained pick de man...but we on we couch know better....send all yuh resume.all yuh know talent

  Allyuh men does talk some rel dam shit when allyuh ready oui!  First thing, you really believe that just because men coaching in the big leagues that they does always get their judgments/decisions right? Some ah allyuh gettin' tie up because the focus (here) in Kenwyne Jones but yuh think he is the only goat in the E/BPL that getting contract?  Yuh know hummuch goats it have plying their trade in English football?! Up to last year Emile Heskey was still playin' in the E/BPL and it have unborn children that done know he was a goat....but is "men that qualified and trained" that did pick him, too.  Kenwyne Jones has been compared to men like Didier Drogba and all by these same "qualified and trained" men.  He was/is supposed to be the next greatest thing outta TnT after Dwight Yorke.....in a way he is comparable to Dwight because he somehow can't seem to play his A-game for the country (then maybe he will bring it out for our next opening game in a WC, too.) teams like Liverpool and Spurs "wanted" him but ultimately, the kindsa figures his current teams was asking for was too much, (figures like 5 and 6 million pounds)and they didn't seem to want him all that much.  I glad fuh Kenwyne...in fact, his family and my family rel cool and know each other donkey years now....which is why I personally have refrained from saying much about him on this forum....but plain talk is bad manners and it rel amazing to see hummuch people does cyah see him for what he is: a player that "flatters to deceive".  He has LOTS of "potential". Always has.  That seems to always be the story of him, though.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: just cool on April 02, 2013, 05:52:10 AM
Arm chair coaches...all yuh go and play in de epl nahh...busss net fuh so rite....men gehn paid big money to play ball...men that qualified and trained pick de man...but we on we couch know better....send all yuh resume.all yuh know talent

  Allyuh men does talk some rel dam shit when allyuh ready oui!  First thing, you really believe that just because men coaching in the big leagues that they does always get their judgments/decisions right? Some ah allyuh gettin' tie up because the focus (here) in Kenwyne Jones but yuh think he is the only goat in the E/BPL that getting contract?  Yuh know hummuch goats it have plying their trade in English football?! Up to last year Emile Heskey was still playin' in the E/BPL and it have unborn children that done know he was a goat....but is "men that qualified and trained" that did pick him, too.  Kenwyne Jones has been compared to men like Didier Drogba and all by these same "qualified and trained" men.  He was/is supposed to be the next greatest thing outta TnT after Dwight Yorke.....in a way he is comparable to Dwight because he somehow can't seem to play his A-game for the country (then maybe he will bring it out for our next opening game in a WC, too.) teams like Liverpool and Spurs "wanted" him but ultimately, the kindsa figures his current teams was asking for was too much, (figures like 5 and 6 million pounds)and they didn't seem to want him all that much.  I glad fuh Kenwyne...in fact, his family and my family rel cool and know each other donkey years now....which is why I personally have refrained from saying much about him on this forum....but plain talk is bad manners and it rel amazing to see hummuch people does cyah see him for what he is: a player that "flatters to deceive".  He has LOTS of "potential". Always has.  That seems to always be the story of him, though.
Breds, there are a few stand outs in any league, and for the most part 75% of the players are mediocre.  KJ is undoubtedly one of the 75%, but that doesn't detract from the fact that he's EPL quality.

the thing that we're all missing is that we in T&T watch soo much pretty football and cheer for the best teams in the world that if a player don't measure up to the standards that we are accustomed to we throw them in the "sh!tsnake" category.

lets face it, we are big time glory hunters who don't have a strong football tradition. who here would ever cheer for a darby county, or doncaster?

we won't bc we love pretty football, but the fella who will die for doncaster has a strong football tradition and would drive miles to watch players way worst than anything we have on the national team, and cheer them on with all his heart.

i heard fellas on here say that christiano ronaldo is ah sh!t hound, "emmanuel adebayor should never go near a prem team again", how johnny evens belong in the championship, and these are top class players, so what wouldn't you not say about ah bleeder or a KJ.

IMO KJ lack two things from being a top goal scorer in the prem, he lacks a good team, and a good coach.  his inefficiencies are his first touch, his awareness and his moodiness, but these things would never stop him from being a goal threat had he the right system and supporting cast.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Sando on April 02, 2013, 06:18:10 AM
Quote
A BIG tune, dedicated to T&T's number one striker Kenwyne Jones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMnsR3ufLzc

Enjoy fellas.

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

How did you discover that song of all things Sam...

 :rotfl:

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: just cool on April 02, 2013, 07:21:18 AM
Quote
A BIG tune, dedicated to T&T's number one striker Kenwyne Jones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMnsR3ufLzc

Enjoy fellas.

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

How did you discover that song of all things Sam...

 :rotfl:


Allyuh fellas could be in the CIA destabilizing countries left and right and watching ppl suffer on account of your handy work and not give ah damn just goin about yuh life happier than ever sleeping quite comfortable @ night oui.

keep up your little charade pardner, feel like no body eh on tuh yuh.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: truetrini on April 02, 2013, 08:42:03 AM
Quote
A BIG tune, dedicated to T&T's number one striker Kenwyne Jones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMnsR3ufLzc

Enjoy fellas.

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

How did you discover that song of all things Sam...

 :rotfl:


Allyuh fellas could be in the CIA destabilizing countries left and right and watching ppl suffer on account of your handy work and not give ah damn just goin about yuh life happier than ever sleeping quite comfortable @ night oui.

keep up your little charade pardner, feel like no body eh on tuh yuh.

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Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Sando on April 02, 2013, 09:47:15 AM
JC, ok, you on to me, now what ?

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: g on April 06, 2013, 08:10:07 AM
KJ gets the start today vs Villa

could get a run of games leading up to the end of the season and off to the GC if he can lead Stoke to victory today.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on April 06, 2013, 09:57:15 AM
he throw way a good chance and get in an argument with his teammate..stoke end up losing after i thought they might steal de win
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Fyzoman on April 06, 2013, 05:01:09 PM
Ah watch de first half delayed and NYTriniwhiteboy sell out the result so ah say me eh watching no 2nd half, ah was wondering, allyuh feel Hutson and Shabazz does watch games that KJ (or other foreign-based) playing in?

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: frico on April 06, 2013, 05:14:44 PM
I am sure KJ is a good enough cricketer capable of doing well enough to get a contract with the IPL like Pollard,he should consider switching sports.
Title: Kenwyne Jones set for Stoke City exit?
Post by: Tallman on April 16, 2013, 03:16:04 PM
Kenwyne Jones set for Stoke City exit?
By Femi Hilekaan (givemefootball.com)


If Stoke City preserve their Premier League status, a replacement for striker Kenwyne Jones should be top of Tony Pulis' summer transfer wishlist.

Jones has struggled to have any impact for the Potters this season - managing just three goals and two assists. His major flaw is his reluctance to hold onto balls and keep possession, which has left Stoke exposed to counter attacks.

Stoke have struggled to create goal-scoring chances this season, with the majority of their openings coming from throw-ins and long balls. Despite his aerial advantage, Jones has been very poor and has failed to benefit from Stoke's style of play.

Pulis' tactics require a clinical striker who is good in the air, versatile and decisive. Unfortunately, Jones is by no means close to any of those qualities.

Read More... (http://socawarriors.net/foreign-based/foreign-based-news/foreign-based-news/12357-kenwyne-jones-set-for-stoke-city-exit.html)
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: just cool on April 16, 2013, 06:04:34 PM
Can't believe they want to blame this all on KJ ........ SMH

boy these english fans and press always need someone to blame. why didn't he talk about crouch not scoring in 15 appearances, and only managing 4+ goals for the whole season!  i say if they want someone to blame then blame pulis for not rotating his players for starters.

the man played ah whole season without using most his 25 man team/ half his bench bench. he have fellas like edu, palacios, upson, adam, pennant, jerome, owen, KJ and shea rotting on the bench. the man not resting his defenders and midfielders ah rass to the point where them fellas over worked!

KJ was started after crouch's injury and managed three goals in four games, then as soon as crouch's teeth stopped hurting he was back in the starting line up, now tell me if this coach have ah clue. no forward could shine with 10 mins @ a time on the pitch. sssttuueeepppsss
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: truetrini on April 16, 2013, 08:47:42 PM
One set ah assnes in truth.  Crouch have triple the minutes and dat long ugly f**ker only score 6 in all competitions for the year.  Jones socred 5!

Assness Pulis is a dog..mangy one too.  He treated Fuller with the same disdain!
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on April 16, 2013, 09:15:18 PM
That writer sounds like an amateur.  The site made all kinda disclaimers on the web page.
On a serious note I not ready for KJ to go back to the Championship.  I hope somebody in the top flight comes in for him.
It have real shithongs still in the Prem so I know he still has the quality.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Madd Ras#13 on April 17, 2013, 03:40:17 AM
Pulis is ah big dunce and i cyah believe dey tryin tuh drop de blame on Jones...Watch de game against man u and u go see how frustrating it have tuh be as ah striker playin in dat team. tuh begin with dey had jones playin up front alone with walters and shelton(ah think dais he name, de black boi dat usually does play right back) playin on de wings...I en think one cross came in dah whole game, wam tuh players like pennant who is much better far more better dan dem two at playin out wide and i en know if etherington injured but walters n shelton surely cyah be playin de wing n u expect tuh get service for de striker.

whole game is only straight aerial balls dey playin for jones, all at least head height so man cyah even try ah chest trap and even though he won his fair share of flick ons it had no one near him tuh benefit. truth be told stoke football wayyyyy uglier dan bolton football under allerdyce...full time now dey get rid ah Tony Pulis
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tallman on November 06, 2013, 02:03:07 PM
However, by the same token, there have been many unsuccessful target men in the Premier League in recent years. One player befitting that description is Kenwyne Jones. In three years, and almost 90 appearances for the Potters, Jones has a record of one goal in every 6.7 games he has featured in, a desperately low figure for any forward, but particularly for a target man deployed in a side that hinges on a tall front-man. He has not scored in 20 top flight encounters.

The idea that Jones, who Harry Redknapp once scathingly described as “laid-back to the point of semi-consciousness”, is still a regular for the midlands outfit, and the fact that his record for a club so focussed on supply for a lone target man is so dire, paints an accurate, if bleak, picture of the calibre and competence of target men in the current state of the Premier League.

Jones is not the sole case of a target man underachieving, underperforming and underwhelming. Almost every club in the BPL has had a failed target man in their squad in the last five years: Bendtner and Chamakh at Arsenal, Heskey (blasphemy) at Villa, Gestede and Parkin at Cardiff, it goes on.

http://backpagefootball.com/just-give-it-to-the-big-man/65396/
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Carib-Briton on November 10, 2013, 08:34:54 AM
If the man is enjoying his life than fairplay to him. If he is taking care of responsibilities then he is doing his job as a man but I can't help but think how good this guy could've been. At Sunderland he was a decent striker heading for good things and now his ability has plummeted! He think he is capable if getting 15 goals (no more than that) a season in PL but it just seemed like he stopped trying. I've seen his first touch in front of goal mess up or blast the ball over the bar so many times now. Sad; Potentially I think he could be a really good player.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on November 10, 2013, 10:06:38 AM
If the man is enjoying his life than fairplay to him. If he is taking care of responsibilities then he is doing his job as a man but I can't help but think how good this guy could've been. At Sunderland he was a decent striker heading for good things and now his ability has plummeted! He think he is capable if getting 15 goals (no more than that) a season in PL but it just seemed like he stopped trying. I've seen his first touch in front of goal mess up or blast the ball over the bar so many times now. Sad; Potentially I think he could be a really good player.
He's the same player as at Sunderland. In fact, he works even harder now. But Stoke is a one striker team and Crouch is a 'better player', so he have to chill or move. This '90 appearances' and 'every 6.7 games' don't account for how most of them games is pigeon sweat. Based on goals-per-minute, he's actually the most prolific of all Stoke strikers. All of them have poor stats, though. So I doh know why single him out. KJ or no KJ, Stoke doh score. Among the worst across all 4 divisions.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Carib-Briton on November 10, 2013, 11:09:52 AM
If the man is enjoying his life than fairplay to him. If he is taking care of responsibilities then he is doing his job as a man but I can't help but think how good this guy could've been. At Sunderland he was a decent striker heading for good things and now his ability has plummeted! He think he is capable if getting 15 goals (no more than that) a season in PL but it just seemed like he stopped trying. I've seen his first touch in front of goal mess up or blast the ball over the bar so many times now. Sad; Potentially I think he could be a really good player.
He's the same player as at Sunderland. In fact, he works even harder now. But Stoke is a one striker team and Crouch is a 'better player', so he have to chill or move. This '90 appearances' and 'every 6.7 games' don't account for how most of them games is pigeon sweat. Based on goals-per-minute, he's actually the most prolific of all Stoke strikers. All of them have poor stats, though. So I doh know why single him out. KJ or no KJ, Stoke doh score. Among the worst across all 4 divisions.

We'll agree to disagree, and I know how stoke play. Single out KJ? Is thread is about KJ not crouch, no singling out. If there is a reason for 'singling out' anyone well I leave you to work out why *stares a thread title* Some of the first touches I see him take and missed opportunities I wonder what happened to him. If stoke is the problem, then move on. If he doesn't want to score goals and defend become a centre-back LOL
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on November 10, 2013, 11:49:50 AM
If the man is enjoying his life than fairplay to him. If he is taking care of responsibilities then he is doing his job as a man but I can't help but think how good this guy could've been. At Sunderland he was a decent striker heading for good things and now his ability has plummeted! He think he is capable if getting 15 goals (no more than that) a season in PL but it just seemed like he stopped trying. I've seen his first touch in front of goal mess up or blast the ball over the bar so many times now. Sad; Potentially I think he could be a really good player.
He's the same player as at Sunderland. In fact, he works even harder now. But Stoke is a one striker team and Crouch is a 'better player', so he have to chill or move. This '90 appearances' and 'every 6.7 games' don't account for how most of them games is pigeon sweat. Based on goals-per-minute, he's actually the most prolific of all Stoke strikers. All of them have poor stats, though. So I doh know why single him out. KJ or no KJ, Stoke doh score. Among the worst across all 4 divisions.

We'll agree to disagree, and I know how stoke play. Single out KJ? Is thread is about KJ not crouch, no singling out. If there is a reason for 'singling out' anyone well I leave you to work out why *stares a thread title* Some of the first touches I see him take and missed opportunities I wonder what happened to him. If stoke is the problem, then move on. If he doesn't want to score goals and defend become a centre-back LOL

I was referring to the article singling him out, not you. Out of all Stoke strikers who all in a mess.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Carib-Briton on November 10, 2013, 12:27:42 PM
If the man is enjoying his life than fairplay to him. If he is taking care of responsibilities then he is doing his job as a man but I can't help but think how good this guy could've been. At Sunderland he was a decent striker heading for good things and now his ability has plummeted! He think he is capable if getting 15 goals (no more than that) a season in PL but it just seemed like he stopped trying. I've seen his first touch in front of goal mess up or blast the ball over the bar so many times now. Sad; Potentially I think he could be a really good player.
He's the same player as at Sunderland. In fact, he works even harder now. But Stoke is a one striker team and Crouch is a 'better player', so he have to chill or move. This '90 appearances' and 'every 6.7 games' don't account for how most of them games is pigeon sweat. Based on goals-per-minute, he's actually the most prolific of all Stoke strikers. All of them have poor stats, though. So I doh know why single him out. KJ or no KJ, Stoke doh score. Among the worst across all 4 divisions.

We'll agree to disagree, and I know how stoke play. Single out KJ? Is thread is about KJ not crouch, no singling out. If there is a reason for 'singling out' anyone well I leave you to work out why *stares a thread title* Some of the first touches I see him take and missed opportunities I wonder what happened to him. If stoke is the problem, then move on. If he doesn't want to score goals and defend become a centre-back LOL

I was referring to the article singling him out, not you. Out of all Stoke strikers who all in a mess.
Well you quoted me and made references to what I said i.e sunderland so that would be the reason I responded  :beermug:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on November 10, 2013, 01:02:13 PM
Begovic has more prem goals than KJ this season  ;D
Actually Begovic should remind him every game, just for some motivation.
KJ is the club's top scorer in all comps despite that. 
He need to do something, but it hard to do from the bench. Not even a sniff of the field today boy.
Those few starts he got early on were priceless opportunities.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: g on November 10, 2013, 02:23:23 PM
Begovic has more prem goals than KJ this season  ;D
Actually Begovic should remind him every game, just for some motivation.
KJ is the club's top scorer in all comps despite that. 
He need to do something, but it hard to do from the bench. Not even a sniff of the field today boy.
Those few starts he got early on were priceless opportunities.

This is the point i was making earlier in the season. His play was very good and he started to get the confidence of the manager who gave him a run of games. Unfortunately the first thing he chose to do was run his mouth in the press about the old manager etc. rather than put his head down and show his worth for the long haul. He will get another run before christmas i hope and hopefully he will take his chances then. The irony is that despite the good play of Crouch upfront they still not getting the results so the manager will still feel he may be an option.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Pur_Trini on November 26, 2013, 04:50:44 AM
Any update on KJ?  Last I read he picked up a shoulder injury vs. Jamaica and was to be assessed by his club but did not return following international duty.

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on November 26, 2013, 03:24:14 PM
Crouch had a sweet assist in this game to Nzonzi.
I think the only solace KJ has is that all Stoke's strikers are woeful.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on November 26, 2013, 04:42:39 PM
Crouch had a sweet assist in this game to Nzonzi.
I think the only solace KJ has is that all Stoke's strikers are woeful.
Crouch starting to play good lately. So I eh know. West Ham need somebody.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Coop's on November 26, 2013, 06:12:51 PM
Crouch had a sweet assist in this game to Nzonzi.
I think the only solace KJ has is that all Stoke's strikers are woeful.
Crouch starting to play good lately. So I eh know. West Ham need somebody.
     Why is it every time a club has to move somebady is always KJ?how many clubs has he played for since he in England? you all don't think if he's not moved that much and settle down with a club for two three seasons he could have been a better player? i find mentally his situations are not good for a player,the reajustments and by time he reajusts it's time to move.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on November 26, 2013, 06:36:45 PM
Crouch had a sweet assist in this game to Nzonzi.
I think the only solace KJ has is that all Stoke's strikers are woeful.
Crouch starting to play good lately. So I eh know. West Ham need somebody.
     Why is it every time a club has to move somebady is always KJ?how many clubs has he played for since he in England? you all don't think if he's not moved that much and settle down with a club for two three seasons he could have been a better player? i find mentally his situations are not good for a player,the reajustments and by time he reajusts it's time to move.

He stay 3 seasons with Southampton. He stay 3 seasons with Sunderland. He dey 3 seasons with Stoke but cyah get a game for 2 of them. Might be time to spend 3 seasons elsewhere.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on November 27, 2013, 03:36:15 AM
On the plus side the guy is very adaptable which must help him in fitting into the national team
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: 100% Barataria on November 27, 2013, 08:07:24 AM
The one exception is the southam move to Sunderland, that was a promo, all others were lateral, could have easily stayed on in the championship for southam
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on November 27, 2013, 11:37:19 AM
Be careful of what you put out there in the Universe.  He did So'ton dirty... ironic then that they're now challenging for a Champions League spot when he can't even get a run out for a team desperate to avoid relegation.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on November 27, 2013, 12:11:52 PM
Any news on his health fitness ?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: de_redman on November 27, 2013, 12:24:53 PM
St. Anthony's - Red and White stripes
Southampton - Red and White stripes
Sunderland - Red and White stripes
Stoke - Red and White stripes

Only exceptions are Joe Public and W Connection.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on November 27, 2013, 12:30:13 PM
Be careful of what you put out there in the Universe.  He did So'ton dirty... ironic then that they're now challenging for a Champions League spot when he can't even get a run out for a team desperate to avoid relegation.
Nah, you have it wrong way. Southampton did him dirty allegedly. Somebody used to post here did know the details.

Apparently, they promised him that if a club offer above a certain amount, that they would let him talk to them. But instead when Derby, i think, make the bid, they blank them and hide it from him. Is after he find out from somebody else within the club that he went on strike.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on November 27, 2013, 04:23:31 PM
Nah, you have it wrong way. Southampton did him dirty allegedly. Somebody used to post here did know the details.

Apparently, they promised him that if a club offer above a certain amount, that they would let him talk to them. But instead when Derby, i think, make the bid, they blank them and hide it from him. Is after he find out from somebody else within the club that he went on strike.

That is nonsense talk, Kenwyne's always had an agent.  Any club interested in him would contact his agent, either just before or just after contacting his club.  So if there were such a "promise" (smells vaguely like Suarez' gripe against LFC over the summer) and another club came calling then he/his agent would have known about it.  No two ways about that... no reason for the interested club to NOT let the player know about the interest, if for no other reason, so that the player would use his leverage to get out of his existing contract.

Second, the Derby bid was no secret... at the time they were interested they made their interest known and it was public knowledge contemporaneous to actual bid itself.  Kenwyne didn't strike because they didn't let him know about the bid, he went on strike in order to force a transfer.  I said it back in 2007 I disagree in principle with the whole going on strike thing to force your way out of a contract.  To refuse to put on your club's shirt and perform your duties as agreed, simply because you want more money or to move to a 'better' team is perhaps one of the most selfish acts a professional athlete can do.  Some will argue that he is justified in being selfish and that may be true, but don't think that it doesn't affect your reputation or that there won't be repercussions for that action.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Sam on November 27, 2013, 07:30:25 PM
KJ show me he has quality.

I believe he has been bad lucky to get some kakahole managers that kill his confident. The man was inform and one or two bad games and they throw him off.

He should go to Swansea, Everton or Newcastle.

Come Lawrence, make a bid for him at Everton.

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on November 27, 2013, 07:58:37 PM
Nah, you have it wrong way. Southampton did him dirty allegedly. Somebody used to post here did know the details.

Apparently, they promised him that if a club offer above a certain amount, that they would let him talk to them. But instead when Derby, i think, make the bid, they blank them and hide it from him. Is after he find out from somebody else within the club that he went on strike.

That is nonsense talk, Kenwyne's always had an agent.  Any club interested in him would contact his agent, either just before or just after contacting his club.  So if there were such a "promise" (smells vaguely like Suarez' gripe against LFC over the summer) and another club came calling then he/his agent would have known about it.  No two ways about that... no reason for the interested club to NOT let the player know about the interest, if for no other reason, so that the player would use his leverage to get out of his existing contract.

Second, the Derby bid was no secret... at the time they were interested they made there interest known and it was public knowledge contemporaneous to actual bid itself.  Kenwyne didn't strike because they didn't let him know about the bid, he went on strike in order to force a transfer.  I said it back in 2007 I disagree in principle with the whole going on strike thing to force your way out of a contract.  To refuse to put on your club's shirt and perform your duties as agreed, simply because you want more money or to move to a 'better' team is perhaps one of the most selfish acts a professional athlete can do.  Some will argue that he is justified in being selfish and that may be true, but don't think that it doesn't affect your reputation or that there won't be repercussions for that action.
I just telling yuh what the person close to the situation say. Redtrinigirl or somebody. I might have the specific details wrong, but it right here on the sight somewhere. Me eh searching up to look for that, though.

Regardless of specific details, the main elements of what the poster say were that Kenwyne wanted a move, Southampton made promises to him about accepting bids and they were somehow duplicitous with him when bids started coming in, so he strike.

Grain of salt or pile of salt, not saying is facts. But it come from somebody closer to things than we or the papers we got our info from.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on November 27, 2013, 09:33:00 PM
I just telling yuh what the person close to the situation say. Redtrinigirl or somebody. I might have the specific details wrong, but it right here on the sight somewhere. Me eh searching up to look for that, though.

Regardless of specific details, the main elements of what the poster say were that Kenwyne wanted a move, Southampton made promises to him about accepting bids and they were somehow duplicitous with him when bids started coming in, so he strike.

Grain of salt or pile of salt, not saying is facts. But it come from somebody closer to things than we or the papers we got our info from.

Arrite cool, I hear yuh  :beermug:  Whomever the person is they not necessarily closer to "the situation"... just closer to Kenwyne version of things.  I can't dispute that, but again, as with Suarez, any such trigger clauses have to be in writing.  Verbal promises are enforceable, but how do you prove it?  And how come we never hear anything about it in the press?  So who knows where the truth lies... but what is indisputable is that other managers would have taken note of him refusing to play for Southampton.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tallman on December 31, 2013, 02:22:56 PM
Kenwyne Jones voted as the 5th best Caribbean player in Europe
http://www.haitinews509.net/en/2013/12/haiti-sports-haitian-defender-pierre-jean-jacques-elected-second-best-player-caribbean
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 13, 2014, 04:42:16 PM
Tallest doing he wuk:

Everton interested in signing Kenwyne Jones from Stoke City
Source: The Guardian UK

• Everton may offer £1m, Stoke want closer to £3 for striker
• Jones upsets Mark Hughes for not reporting for Liverpool game

Everton are interested in signing Kenwyne Jones from Stoke City and are trying to complete a deal for the striker for as little as £1m. The 29-year-old has less than six months left on his contract and Stoke would welcome the chance to move him on but the Midlands club are holding out for closer to £3m.

Jones is keen for the transfer to happen but he has upset Stoke by failing to report for Sunday's Premier League match against Liverpool at the Britannia Stadium when he would have been on the bench but his non-appearance forced Mark Hughes, the Stoke manager, to add another player to the bench.

Jones is believed to be citing personal reasons for his absence and it is understood that he sent a text message to Hughes on Saturday night to say that he would not be available. He met Hughes and Tony Scholes, Stoke's chief executive, to discuss the situation at the club's Clayton Wood training ground on Monday. When asked about Jones's omission on Sunday, Hughes would only say that the player was "unavailable".

With only six months remaining on his contract, it is inevitable that Jones will move on, either in this window or the summer. Signed from Sunderland for £8m in 2010, Jones has started only four Premier League matches this season and scored just 13 goals in the top flight during his time at the Britannia Stadium. hope to announce two signings within the next 24 hours. Stephen Ireland, who has been on loan from Aston Villa, will join on a permanent basis until the end of the season. The Ireland deal frees up a loan space for John Guidetti, Manchester City's 21-year-old Swedish striker, who will join for the remainder of the campaign.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Deeks on January 13, 2014, 05:10:41 PM
What Dennis Lawrence pulling rank?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on January 13, 2014, 05:13:48 PM
Hope so! If not, please tell him to move to Charlton for minimal money and get us out of the relegation fight in the Championship :p
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on January 13, 2014, 05:39:57 PM
Stoke striker Jones fined £80,000 after texting boss Hughes to say he wouldn't play against Liverpool.
By NEIL MOXLEY (UK Mail Online)


Kenwyne Jones has been fined two weeks' wages by Stoke City after texting manager Mark Hughes to say he was unavailable to play against Liverpool.

The Trinidad and Tobago striker was hit with an £80,000 penalty after failing to report for Sunday's game.
Jones, who has six months left on his contract, contacted his manager on Saturday night to say he had no intention of turning up at the Britannia Stadium.

Stoke were unsure whether he would carry through his threat but it became evident that the 29-year-old would not be playing after he failed to attend the team's pre-match meal at the club's Clayton Wood training ground.

Hughes was understandably furious and his only comment to media who enquired after the 5-3 defeat to Liverpool was that Jones had been 'unavailable'.

The manager and chief executive Tony Scholes were called to a meeting with the player and his agent after training on Monday.

Stoke, who immediately censured the striker for breach of contract after he effectively withdrew his labour, believe that Jones may have another club waiting in the wings - Everton are among his admirers.
However, a suggestion that the player ought to be allowed to write off the remainder of his deal was laughed at by club officials.

Stoke would save themselves £1million in wages but Jones would then be free to sign for someone else during the transfer window without Stoke receiving a fee.

Hughes is baffled by the whole incident, particularly as Jones played in the FA Cup defeat of Leicester City the previous week and did well.

Jones has seen his place in the side taken by Peter Crouch, who has grasped the opportunity and given himself a new lease of life in the Potteries.

But there was no indication from the management before Sunday's game that Jones would not be playing.
Hughes has no intention of allowing the forward to leave while he remains in the hunt for additional firepower. Stoke are committed to bringing in one, if not two, strikers this month.

Hughes is not going to leave himself short of options by agreeing to sanction Jones'  exit with the club  still needing to  safeguard their top flight  status during the decisive second half of the season.

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on January 13, 2014, 05:45:12 PM
Disgraceful behaviour... He's letting himself down
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on January 13, 2014, 06:01:32 PM
oh gorm...not again.. 6 months with training & pay, yuh couldn't wait ?...not like yuh was in jail guy  :yellowcard:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Deeks on January 13, 2014, 06:47:32 PM
KJ definitely wants out. All this pussy-footing around. Out!!!!!. The fans don't want him anyway. I don't condone that kind of behaviour, but he wants a clean break.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on January 13, 2014, 06:55:01 PM
Mark Hughes and them something else yes......he don't understand why KJ will do that be cause he get ah lil run the other day. KJ wrong, very wrong, but don't say you don't understand. They behaving like they've been using KJ week in and week out, the man get 4 starts and 3 subs all season.

But KJ have to learn he cyah flex like that.

He should come play some college football in the MLS.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 13, 2014, 07:00:08 PM
Kenwyne j Jones ‏@KJ9nes 55m
Just make sure you you have the correct story before making a comment

Kenwyne j Jones ‏@KJ9nes 53m
Don't believe everything you read in the papers


Kenwyne j Jones ‏@KJ9nes 48m
Hopefully they will speak the truth if not in time I will.

And a deleted tweet:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/240x427q90/69/6qci.jpg)
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on January 13, 2014, 07:28:53 PM
Kenwyne j Jones ‏@KJ9nes 55m
Just make sure you you have the correct story before making a comment

Kenwyne j Jones ‏@KJ9nes 53m
Don't believe everything you read in the papers


Kenwyne j Jones ‏@KJ9nes 48m
Hopefully they will speak the truth if not in time I will.

And a deleted tweet:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/240x427q90/69/6qci.jpg)


Yeah... lemmih guess, he have ah 'Tsunami' tuh come.  Is always somebody else fault.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on January 13, 2014, 07:45:54 PM
Kenwyne j Jones ‏@KJ9nes 55m
Just make sure you you have the correct story before making a comment

Kenwyne j Jones ‏@KJ9nes 53m
Don't believe everything you read in the papers


Kenwyne j Jones ‏@KJ9nes 48m
Hopefully they will speak the truth if not in time I will.

And a deleted tweet:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/240x427q90/69/6qci.jpg)


Yeah... lemmih guess, he have ah 'Tsunami' tuh come.  Is always somebody else fault.

You know more than KJ or you opt to believe the Honest club over trifling KJ?  SMH
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: g on January 13, 2014, 08:01:59 PM
The truth is out there somewhere, is a real catch 22 situation. I used to be an advocate for him to train hard every week, sit on the bench if he have to, keep quiet and collect he 40k sterling a week.

I guess everything coming to a head, man must be really feeling slighted and I could understand, 4 games in 10 days over christmas and he aint see a minute of action, not even a corbeaux. I was looking for their starting line up every game to see if he got the call and never did, even if it was just to rest Crouch for a 30 minutes in one of them games.

He have to think carefully about his actions though, whatever the circumstances around the Sunday game are he still under contract and needs to follow protocol. When they played him in the FA cup i figured he was going to stay the season, he is already cup tied and this Everton talk, i not sure either, he can't get ahead of Crouch at the moment so i not sure how much game time he will get ahead of Lukaku who himself pushing for a starting spot in a WC bound team.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 13, 2014, 08:04:20 PM
Kenwyne j Jones ‏@KJ9nes 55m
Just make sure you you have the correct story before making a comment

Kenwyne j Jones ‏@KJ9nes 53m
Don't believe everything you read in the papers


Kenwyne j Jones ‏@KJ9nes 48m
Hopefully they will speak the truth if not in time I will.

And a deleted tweet:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/240x427q90/69/6qci.jpg)


Yeah... lemmih guess, he have ah 'Tsunami' tuh come.  Is always somebody else fault.

You know more than KJ or you opt to believe the Honest club over trifling KJ?  SMH
Truth somewhere in the middle most likely. The truth usually is.

Some fella that know him on Stoke forum say dat ain't de real story at all.

Something obviously play off, though. And I sure KJ ain't entirely innocent. Like ah say: it somewhere in the middle.

Have to ask yuhself, too, who leak the story to three different papers, and to what end.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on January 13, 2014, 09:18:02 PM
You know more than KJ or you opt to believe the Honest club over trifling KJ?  SMH

I don't know more than KJ... I'm just familiar with his track record. That and I know bullshit when I smell it.  But keep on being an apologist for him if that makes you happy.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: ckhan on January 13, 2014, 09:48:44 PM
I thought it was strange for this to happen now and the move certainly would burn any bridges remaining with few supports at Stoke. In addition, considering a similar case has happened previously, a potential club may think that this can happen to them as well. Damage control is needed.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Preacher on January 13, 2014, 09:49:27 PM
You know what?  I with KJ on this one.  Maybe it's just because of the season of life I am in.  There is a certain time as a professional you have to do what you have to do.  In this world not everyone is afforded the privilege of the back room, drinks and a smile to sort things out.  Even though he may have flaws as a player, he show's he's man.  He made a decision and did it big!!   Wrong, right or indifferent he had the courage to stand up for himself.  You think he didn't consider the backlash?   Courageous Kenwyne.  My Captain  :beermug:

EDIT: Prophecy:  KJ game will rise from here on..watch and see.   
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on January 13, 2014, 10:36:15 PM
Maybe he should try MLS. Theyve made some big signings this offseason and i cant see him starting with everton.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on January 13, 2014, 10:52:51 PM
You know more than KJ or you opt to believe the Honest club over trifling KJ?  SMH

I don't know more than KJ... I'm just familiar with his track record. That and I know bullshit when I smell it.  But keep on being an apologist for him if that makes you happy.

I not siding with what they say he do, but at the same time the man come out publicly and say daiz not so. That would give me pause for thought. Maybe I need to watch him cut eye cause daiz how he is.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: trini_stallion on January 14, 2014, 04:18:12 AM
You know what?  I with KJ on this one.  Maybe it's just because of the season of life I am in.  There is a certain time as a professional you have to do what you have to do.  In this world not everyone is afforded the privilege of the back room, drinks and a smile to sort things out.  Even though he may have flaws as a player, he show's he's man.  He made a decision and did it big!!   Wrong, right or indifferent he had the courage to stand up for himself.  You think he didn't consider the backlash?   Courageous Kenwyne.  My Captain  :beermug:

EDIT: Prophecy:  KJ game will rise from here on..watch and see.   

You take de words out of my mouth. This man toting bench since at stoke...I glad he stand up for himself....crouch eh no baller infront of kj...tbh.....hmph. men might call me ignorant for this one...but I really feel crouch is geh pick over kj bcuz he is ah English man...kj making them  wanna let him go...whoch is smart. ..ciz obiviously hughes didn't hv intentions of doing so...
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on January 14, 2014, 04:19:15 AM
You know what?  I with KJ on this one.  Maybe it's just because of the season of life I am in.  There is a certain time as a professional you have to do what you have to do.  In this world not everyone is afforded the privilege of the back room, drinks and a smile to sort things out.  Even though he may have flaws as a player, he show's he's man.  He made a decision and did it big!!   Wrong, right or indifferent he had the courage to stand up for himself.  You think he didn't consider the backlash?   Courageous Kenwyne.  My Captain  :beermug:

EDIT: Prophecy:  KJ game will rise from here on..watch and see.

I think at the end of the day you can't forget that you have professional responsibilities. Your contract is both a legal document and a commitment from yourself to carry out your duties. To reject those duties, via text no less, is gross misconduct and speaks poorly of your character. The transfer window has two weeks - where's his formal request for transfer? At the end of the day, it seems disloyal at best to carry yourself in this manner - if he's not in the squad he can either buckle down and win it back through training performances, or act professionally and request a transfer.

Imagine if you had a problem with your boss, and decided to text him saying "don't feel like coming into work today". Grounds for formal warning at the least and quite rightly so - if you have a problem with the boss try to resolve it, if the problem is about professional conduct then complain higher up the line, or just resign with dignity.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on January 14, 2014, 08:12:16 AM
Stoke sent a message by not playing him in those four games.  I understand why he vex but yuh hadda protect yuhself. Hopefully we get the whole story if there's more to it.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on January 14, 2014, 08:42:10 AM
Stoke sent a message by not playing him in those four games.  I understand why he vex but yuh hadda protect yuhself. Hopefully we get the whole story if there's more to it.

That is the problem here - what are you reading into this? Possible list of alternative explanations;

Not fit enough
Didn't perform well in training
off the pitch misconduct
Attitude problem with backroom staff/players
internal club politics
Not performing as well as alternatives
not training as well as alternatives
Rested/experimenting with alternative line-ups
appearance clauses too expensive due to restructuring of the budget

None of these explanations justify this behaviour - half of them should lead to a transfer request and the other half by pulling your finger our and working hard. None of them involve failing to carry out your professional duties in my opinion.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on January 14, 2014, 09:37:19 AM
You know what?  I with KJ on this one.  Maybe it's just because of the season of life I am in.  There is a certain time as a professional you have to do what you have to do.  In this world not everyone is afforded the privilege of the back room, drinks and a smile to sort things out.  Even though he may have flaws as a player, he show's he's man.  He made a decision and did it big!!   Wrong, right or indifferent he had the courage to stand up for himself.  You think he didn't consider the backlash?   Courageous Kenwyne.  My Captain  :beermug:

EDIT: Prophecy:  KJ game will rise from here on..watch and see.   

You take de words out of my mouth. This man toting bench since at stoke...I glad he stand up for himself....crouch eh no baller infront of kj...tbh.....hmph. men might call me ignorant for this one...but I really feel crouch is geh pick over kj bcuz he is ah English man...kj making them  wanna let him go...whoch is smart. ..ciz obiviously hughes didn't hv intentions of doing so...
I been saying that from day one but men on here tell me I does act like I in love wit de man to gently paraphrase.  When you compare them from a statistical standpoint they are right about even and actually based on starts and overall production KJ has the edge.  But to hear some men on here tell it Crouchie is ah baller compare to we player with the "first touch of ah raperman" as dey does say.

Who vex loss buh I backin my player.  Is not like de man play shit in the little time he had on the field and Crouch eh lightin up de net so wha de f**k?!  Steups  KJ do yuh ting bredda. I not puttin ntten past deze clubs and managers when they ready to tarninsh a player.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Preacher on January 14, 2014, 10:19:24 AM
You know what?  I with KJ on this one.  Maybe it's just because of the season of life I am in.  There is a certain time as a professional you have to do what you have to do.  In this world not everyone is afforded the privilege of the back room, drinks and a smile to sort things out.  Even though he may have flaws as a player, he show's he's man.  He made a decision and did it big!!   Wrong, right or indifferent he had the courage to stand up for himself.  You think he didn't consider the backlash?   Courageous Kenwyne.  My Captain  :beermug:

EDIT: Prophecy:  KJ game will rise from here on..watch and see.

Imagine if you had a problem with your boss, and decided to text him saying "don't feel like coming into work today". Grounds for formal warning at the least and quite rightly so - if you have a problem with the boss try to resolve it, if the problem is about professional conduct then complain higher up the line, or just resign with dignity.

Just that dey... make me wanna hit you some serious tap.   You come off elitist and insensitive dey.  I understand your sentiment, which needless to say is "establishment talk."    Establishment is good and should be respected but many many times establishment fails to value and reward the efforts of the human spirit because establishment is to busy rewarding establishment.  :)   If a man can't be fed up of being fed up niggas will still be in chains.   No freedom march, no unions...   All contracts uphold Core Values eh...but not all values are written. 
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 14, 2014, 10:20:36 AM
Is not like de man play shit in the little time he had on the field
Nah, after 3 good games, he play real shit on his last start against Norwich. But it seem like he does only get one chance to play shit at Stoke since Crouch come. As if to say, 'Well, you get yuh chance, so is Crouchy from now on.' Crouch had nuff shit games since then, only to reappear at the next one.

Both of them have different strengths but they equally as effective for Stoke. Crouch's technical strengths are preferred, which is cool. But they basically keeping KJ as a safety net as opposed to a contributor. In case they lose Crouch in a plane crash or something, they have somebody on de side to come in.

Must be frustrating.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on January 14, 2014, 10:29:10 AM
You know what?  I with KJ on this one.  Maybe it's just because of the season of life I am in.  There is a certain time as a professional you have to do what you have to do.  In this world not everyone is afforded the privilege of the back room, drinks and a smile to sort things out.  Even though he may have flaws as a player, he show's he's man.  He made a decision and did it big!!   Wrong, right or indifferent he had the courage to stand up for himself.  You think he didn't consider the backlash?   Courageous Kenwyne.  My Captain  :beermug:

EDIT: Prophecy:  KJ game will rise from here on..watch and see.

Imagine if you had a problem with your boss, and decided to text him saying "don't feel like coming into work today". Grounds for formal warning at the least and quite rightly so - if you have a problem with the boss try to resolve it, if the problem is about professional conduct then complain higher up the line, or just resign with dignity.

Just that dey... make me wanna hit you some serious tap.   You come off elitist and insensitive dey.  I understand your sentiment, which needless to say is "establishment talk."    Establishment is good and should be respected but many many times establishment fails to value and reward the efforts of the human spirit because establishment is to busy rewarding establishment.  :)   If a man can't be fed up of being fed up niggas will still be in chains.   No freedom march, no unions...   All contracts uphold Core Values eh...but not all values are written.

Oh lord I've done a bad job of representing myself - I'm firmly left wing so your words hurt me :p . I'm not trying to argue from an establishment view point, far from it. I'm trying to argue from a trust and commitment perspective.

Contracts are legal documents sure, but I don't consider the value of that compared to that of your word and trust. Effectively, Jones made a commitment to his manager, to the fans, to the staff and to himself to honour his contract, to do his best and to carry out his duties, and in return received obscene levels of compensation (£40k a week, equivalent to the wage of 160 Trinidadians at TT$10,000 a month). The man isn't being forced into labour, and I'm quite offended by your comparison to slavery given the sheer scale of benefits this person receives, ignoring the prestige and other benefits of the position. Comparing his position to that of individuals forced to work to death on plantations thousands of miles away from their home is ill-advised at best. Slaves can't hand in transfer requests, for example.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on January 14, 2014, 10:33:11 AM
Dahis a lot of internal pressure to be dealing wid. It easy to siddung here and call shots fuh him, and then critique his form ... de reality iz he's the one at de crease. Hughes bowl him short ... no surprise he respond. Man is man.

That frigging Crouch continues to be a Trini nemesis.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on January 14, 2014, 11:13:14 AM
You know what?  I with KJ on this one.  Maybe it's just because of the season of life I am in.  There is a certain time as a professional you have to do what you have to do.  In this world not everyone is afforded the privilege of the back room, drinks and a smile to sort things out.  Even though he may have flaws as a player, he show's he's man.  He made a decision and did it big!!   Wrong, right or indifferent he had the courage to stand up for himself.  You think he didn't consider the backlash?   Courageous Kenwyne.  My Captain  :beermug:

EDIT: Prophecy:  KJ game will rise from here on..watch and see.

Imagine if you had a problem with your boss, and decided to text him saying "don't feel like coming into work today". Grounds for formal warning at the least and quite rightly so - if you have a problem with the boss try to resolve it, if the problem is about professional conduct then complain higher up the line, or just resign with dignity.

Just that dey... make me wanna hit you some serious tap.   You come off elitist and insensitive dey.  I understand your sentiment, which needless to say is "establishment talk."    Establishment is good and should be respected but many many times establishment fails to value and reward the efforts of the human spirit because establishment is to busy rewarding establishment.  :)   If a man can't be fed up of being fed up niggas will still be in chains.   No freedom march, no unions...   All contracts uphold Core Values eh...but not all values are written.

Oh lord I've done a bad job of representing myself - I'm firmly left wing so your words hurt me :p . I'm not trying to argue from an establishment view point, far from it. I'm trying to argue from a trust and commitment perspective.

Contracts are legal documents sure, but I don't consider the value of that compared to that of your word and trust. Effectively, Jones made a commitment to his manager, to the fans, to the staff and to himself to honour his contract, to do his best and to carry out his duties, and in return received obscene levels of compensation (£40k a week, equivalent to the wage of 160 Trinidadians at TT$10,000 a month). The man isn't being forced into labour, and I'm quite offended by your comparison to slavery given the sheer scale of benefits this person receives, ignoring the prestige and other benefits of the position. Comparing his position to that of individuals forced to work to death on plantations thousands of miles away from their home is ill-advised at best. Slaves can't hand in transfer requests, for example.

You rell convolute de man message dey dan lol.  If no one ever got fed up we would never be free black men in places like England and America today so sometimes yuh ha to get fed up and make a move despite the consequences.  As for your outlook I cah agree at all.  I doubt KJ tex an say f**k allyuh I stayin home tomorrow.  He may or may not have concocted a story as a reason why he cannot be present but unless they can prove that it was bogus that 2 weeks wages is very harsh.  And for reference when me eh feel like goin to wuk I does text my boss and the secretarial staff that I will not be in so mark me out today.  So doh feel regular Joe cah text dey boss and say dey eh comin to wuk caw dat is bogus!
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 14, 2014, 11:26:25 AM
Not saying it right, but KJ ain't the first person to go on strike to force a move, especially to a bigger club.  I said from the get go:  Hughes doh fancy de man.  No point in staying if you not wanted.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Preacher on January 14, 2014, 11:47:15 AM
Not saying it right, but KJ ain't the first person to go on strike to force a move, especially to a bigger club.  I said from the get go:  Hughes doh fancy de man.  No point in staying if you not wanted.

Plain talk. 
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on January 14, 2014, 11:52:30 AM
No argument here, but still do your job while you're still being paid, and put in a formal transfer request.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tallman on January 14, 2014, 12:31:37 PM
Kenwyne Cisse  ;D

(http://media.zenfs.com/en-GB/blogs/early-doors/Kenwyne_joneshwoghwoghwogh.jpg)
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 14, 2014, 12:34:38 PM
No argument here, but still do your job while you're still being paid, and put in a formal transfer request.
He may well have. A couple of 'in the know' Stokies said he did a while ago. Stoke offered him a new one-year deal, he rejected it and it was agreed he would be transferred. I take it with a grain of salt, because plenty people claim to know stuff. But there's likely more behind this than 'petulant player goes on strike'.

I'm sure both sides are being jackasses to some degree. And it's not farfetched for the media to say, 'A player went AWOL for a game? Didn't he go on strike at a former club for a move? Stop the presses!' and attach an enticing headline.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on January 14, 2014, 01:14:33 PM
KJ can't sit under a coconut tree in Stoke and drink Malibu.

Yuh know how lazy he is and he doh possess that western blue collar mentality like many of us here.  ::)

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Preacher on January 14, 2014, 02:17:00 PM
Kenwyne Cisse  ;D

(http://media.zenfs.com/en-GB/blogs/early-doors/Kenwyne_joneshwoghwoghwogh.jpg)
:rotfl:  I tell yuh the man ready.  Fire in he belly now.  GO KENWYNE!!!!  Gey them good. 
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Agent Jack Bauer on January 14, 2014, 06:49:07 PM
 :banginghead:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: ckhan on January 14, 2014, 07:12:01 PM
He has now blown up any bridges leading to Stoke:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/stoke-city/10572746/Kenwyne-Jones-set-to-call-in-the-Professional-Footballers-Association-to-resolve-his-row-with-Stoke-City.html
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: lefty on January 14, 2014, 07:55:10 PM
why play in the FA cup then ??? and become cup tied but refuse the prem match....it just feels weird all of it
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on January 14, 2014, 08:40:57 PM
He has now blown up any bridges leading to Stoke:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/stoke-city/10572746/Kenwyne-Jones-set-to-call-in-the-Professional-Footballers-Association-to-resolve-his-row-with-Stoke-City.html

Why HE blow up bridges. What should he do, just sit there and let them just advantage him. The guy feels as though the punishment wasn't fair, so he went to the people that suppose to advise him. See what Hughes saying that he has never seen anything like this in his life. Because KJ suppose to smile and nod. If he had done something more rash, it would have been another 3rd world lazy mentality.  But this is what he should do, right

(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/028/f/2/please__sir__may_i_have_another__by_tooner96-d4nurb6.jpg)
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on January 14, 2014, 09:09:10 PM
Why HE blow up bridges. What should he do, just sit there and let them just advantage him. The guy feels as though the punishment wasn't fair, so he went to the people that suppose to advise him. See what Hughes saying that he has never seen anything like this in his life. Because KJ suppose to smile and nod. If he had done something more rash, it would have been another 3rd world lazy mentality.  But this is what he should do, right

"You know more than Stoke or you opt to believe poor honest KJ over trifling Stoke City?  SMH"  ::)
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on January 14, 2014, 11:00:26 PM
Why HE blow up bridges. What should he do, just sit there and let them just advantage him. The guy feels as though the punishment wasn't fair, so he went to the people that suppose to advise him. See what Hughes saying that he has never seen anything like this in his life. Because KJ suppose to smile and nod. If he had done something more rash, it would have been another 3rd world lazy mentality.  But this is what he should do, right

"You know more than Stoke or you opt to believe poor honest KJ over trifling Stoke City?  SMH"  ::)

I siding with KJ, but I know for you institution is divine.  ;)
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: trini_stallion on January 15, 2014, 04:19:03 AM
It goooood...let them know you ain't no dupppie! Hughes never see ah dan b4 thaiz whahappen...
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on January 15, 2014, 10:52:50 AM
Getting the PFA involved should have been the step before failing to turn up really. At least it's progressing towards a more professional resolution
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on January 15, 2014, 11:28:24 AM
I siding with KJ, but I know for you institution is divine.  ;)

Not really.  True I happen to believe that if you sign a contract then you have to live up to the terms.  Nowhere in any player's contract is "playing time" guaranteed.  I think it's unprofessional to "go on strike" simply because you're not starting, or not playing enough, or don't like the manager, or some "bigger" team might be interested in you.  I don't know whether his reasons for sitting out the match were legitimate or pretextual, but imagine, Liverpool... one of the bigger games on the calendar is coming to town to play, and the night before you text (calling would not have excused the absence, but is more professional) your manager to say you not showing up at the stadium tomorrow?  Hard for me to support that kinda behavior. 

I could see if it was level racism he putting up with in the stands, management and clubhouse, but for playing time??  This man forget how he was ketching he ass back in Claxton Bay or wherever he from or what?  You know how many people would like to have the "problem" he having right now, making £40k a week?  These fellas suffer from a lack of perspective.  Try explaining to the trash hauler or school teacher in the stand what your grievance is when they paying damn near a quarter of their weekly salary to come support the same team that you refusing to pay for.  As a fan I would never want a player like that on my team.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: ckhan on January 15, 2014, 11:50:08 AM
He has now blown up any bridges leading to Stoke:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/stoke-city/10572746/Kenwyne-Jones-set-to-call-in-the-Professional-Footballers-Association-to-resolve-his-row-with-Stoke-City.html

Why HE blow up bridges. What should he do, just sit there and let them just advantage him. The guy feels as though the punishment wasn't fair, so he went to the people that suppose to advise him. See what Hughes saying that he has never seen anything like this in his life. Because KJ suppose to smile and nod. If he had done something more rash, it would have been another 3rd world lazy mentality.  But this is what he should do, right
What should he do? Act like a professional. Granted, I don't know what is going on behind the scenes and (it could be probable) that he is contracted to play a certain number of games or a number of other reasons but he is looking bad in the court of public opinion and it could influence other teams viewing him..

Just a opinion..
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 15, 2014, 02:15:15 PM
My question is WHO say he on strike? Kenwyne say he on strike? Stoke say he on strike? Or de papers say he on strike? There's obviously tension behind the scenes. Some kinda bull-headedness obviously take place before Liverpool. But who say he ON STRIKE? Why we just buy that just so like papers doh hype?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on January 15, 2014, 03:38:33 PM
My question is WHO say he on strike? Kenwyne say he on strike? Stoke say he on strike? Or de papers say he on strike? There's obviously tension behind the scenes. Some kinda bull-headedness obviously take place before Liverpool. But who say he ON STRIKE? Why we just buy that just so like papers doh hype?

Because is KJ and we know how he is. Now if he was from latin-america we could probably believe him a bit, but alas, he's from the land of oil and music.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on January 15, 2014, 04:20:25 PM
My question is WHO say he on strike? Kenwyne say he on strike? Stoke say he on strike? Or de papers say he on strike? There's obviously tension behind the scenes. Some kinda bull-headedness obviously take place before Liverpool. But who say he ON STRIKE? Why we just buy that just so like papers doh hype?

Call it whatever you want to call it... I deliberately put "strike" in quotes yet you still running with it.  If the man refuse to turn up for work because he feels aggrieved what would you call it?  Or are you saying a) He did not refuse to show up at the Brittannia; or b) He has no grievance that would make him not want to play?

Because is KJ and we know how he is. Now if he was from latin-america we could probably believe him a bit, but alas, he's from the land of oil and music.

Stop talking shit... when Tevez did it, it was called a strike.  When Suarez threatened to do it this summer it was called and treated the same.  Is either you love toting water for KJ, love playing the victim on his behalf or otherwise just love talking a setta shit.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on January 15, 2014, 05:49:46 PM
I will suppot KJ on any field of play he land on...but he wrong. ah ton a hard working fellas from TT hoping for a smidgint. a whiff of even a trial, at any club..and we captain going on with sending text to say he cyah make it..Regardless of the reason.. yuh doh text big man who paying yuh (white, Black, Trini, English or Timbuktunian), to even say, yuh have a death in the family, yuh pick up phone and call...If yuh car breakdown, they paying yuh enuff to buy one on the spot..if yuh was at a Machel concert, they paying yuh enuff to hire Machel for yuh own private party...Even if yuh wife take in...yuh pick up a phone..and they might send the team doctor and ambulance to assist, casue they want it resolved as soon as possible... Christiano & Messi and them cyah pull them stunt and get way...you is Kenwyne Jones, a good footballer, that is all...not even Dwight Yorke, a more accomplished player could get away..there is no damn excuse. Yuh think if they want to mess up he career for spite they won't do it...maybe he actually did all the personal discussions, and did the phone call..and asked for a day off, and Hughes say "Get yuh facking black arse in here"....then he shoulda get her ass in, and then take that to the PFA etc...maybe all that going on and we doh know.

But Man, Good luck with any doing we a favour trials for we again. Only Lawrence now could hopefully try to crack that reputation door for our youths lilbit...We players bette start learning Hindi, and Thai. Cause MLS done wasn't giving we nothing either.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 15, 2014, 06:00:26 PM
My question is WHO say he on strike? Kenwyne say he on strike? Stoke say he on strike? Or de papers say he on strike? There's obviously tension behind the scenes. Some kinda bull-headedness obviously take place before Liverpool. But who say he ON STRIKE? Why we just buy that just so like papers doh hype?

Call it whatever you want to call it... I deliberately put "strike" in quotes yet you still running with it.  If the man refuse to turn up for work because he feels aggrieved what would you call it?  Or are you saying a) He did not refuse to show up at the Brittannia; or b) He has no grievance that would make him not want to play?

The only fact we know if that he didn't turn up for work and his boss vex. We doh know if is grievance or sleep or a sidepiece or a miscommunication or his son belly hurting. And, of course, his personal frustration or grievance would add some 'doh care' to the situation. 'Allyuh eh playing me anyway. Laters for dat. I going doctor with mih boy.' But we really have no idea if his being AWOL was BECAUSE of his grievance. 'Allyuh eh playing me anyway. Laters for dat. I on strike.'

Me eh picking up for the man. If he dumb enough to go on strike twice and mash up his reputation, let him take what come with it. But the man saying he was never on strike. So either he too spineless to back up his actions or the truth is something more complex than what a papers say.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: g on January 15, 2014, 08:07:41 PM
Is a text message the day before match day a suitable mode of communication to your manager indicating you have a personal emergency and therefore be unable to turn up for duty?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: palos on January 15, 2014, 08:23:11 PM
I will suppot KJ on any field of play he land on...but he wrong. ah ton a hard working fellas from TT hoping for a smidgint. a whiff of even a trial, at any club..and we captain going on with sending text to say he cyah make it..Regardless of the reason.. yuh doh text big man who paying yuh (white, Black, Trini, English or Timbuktunian), to even say, yuh have a death in the family, yuh pick up phone and call...If yuh car breakdown, they paying yuh enuff to buy one on the spot..
So essentially yuh makin out de newspaper report to be GOSPEL.  An English tabloid to boot.

Now dey might be right.  But KJ done say is dis whole ting is a seta lies.  And what if it didn't go like de newspaper print?  What den?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on January 15, 2014, 08:34:56 PM
Oh and btw... Kenwyne never deny that he currently on strike at Stoke eh  :afro:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on January 15, 2014, 09:58:40 PM
I will suppot KJ on any field of play he land on...but he wrong. ah ton a hard working fellas from TT hoping for a smidgint. a whiff of even a trial, at any club..and we captain going on with sending text to say he cyah make it..Regardless of the reason.. yuh doh text big man who paying yuh (white, Black, Trini, English or Timbuktunian), to even say, yuh have a death in the family, yuh pick up phone and call...If yuh car breakdown, they paying yuh enuff to buy one on the spot..
So essentially yuh makin out de newspaper report to be GOSPEL.  An English tabloid to boot.

Now dey might be right.  But KJ done say is dis whole ting is a seta lies.  And what if it didn't go like de newspaper print?  What den?
Question is..where the lies start and stop..maybe Stoke didn't fine him no 2 weeks wages (papers)..maybe he made a call (right method of communication), and manager agree it was ok (guess), cause he didn't plan to play him(hypothetical), but when they lorse(fact), and papers say whey Jones(fact), he throw Jones under the bus off the record(papers)...maybe Jones say he have an issue and can't make, Manager say , u is a big man, do what yuh want..then turn round and fine him..or papers wrong, didn't fine him..maybe Jones not seeking PFA help for club or seeking PFA help to sue papers for printing stuff that didn't happen...
what we do know: He had work, he wasn't there.. Things we don't know for sure in papers(may not be fans business): Manager say he was unavailable; KJ Issue/health/reason ; Method of communication; Fine if any.

Things that are normal. Worker have issue, a good company will get involved to help, When he was going thru setta personal issues in the earlies..wasn't playing up to par, fans was getting disgruntled..Pulis/club make excuse and stand by him..constantly, in the same lying papers, none a dem coulda find nothing juicy..With this one they biting..plenty & hard

Look, it could all be a misunderstanding, Jones could run out against Palace this weekend, an I wish he score 3. I will be happy as if is meh son get the write up. But I feel some of the papers not completely and totally off base and that eh go happen...and I honestly worried and concerned for the guy career(he good for a next 8 million pounds), an if he will ever get an opportunity to get a start for any Premier side again....and I have no reason to care which team actually win anymore , so it little personal to me to. If my son wrong, I not saying punish him, but do what it takes to teach him what is right, I will appreciate it...but the way things sounding, if things mostly true, they might want to punish him, and yes, it will hurt me. 
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: ckhan on January 16, 2014, 11:11:06 AM
He will not be involved in the Crystal Palace game:

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/stoke-city/9118922/hughes-disappointed-with-jones-attitude
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: kev on January 16, 2014, 12:04:38 PM
People will take sides defend their own etc., but I find this strange particularly the timing and whats gone on before.  I am not arsed personally but there is more to this than meets the eye.  Taking out the emotions we know a few things about players contracts that are basically universal in the prem. 

If the player puts in a transfer request he loses his signing on fee and/or loyalty bonus, players tend to leave putting a transfer request to the last resort and use papers / agents to get a move, clubs also do this that want to buy or sell a particular player.  He really needed to move out of Stoke a while ago, but he sits and does nothing. 

His contract is up in the summer, he is free to talk to foreign clubs after January and free at the end of the summer.  At this stage if the player is wanted by clubs it usually means the player gets a bigger signing on fee and higher wages due to the fact no transfer fee has to be paid.  So why do something like this with so short a time to go,  normally if a player has a serious situation that needs to be resolved and he isn't able to attend the club will let it slide, the fact he has been fined means the club doesn't believe his reason (if any) was serious enough for non attendance.  Thats just the way it is, if he believes it was then he can go through PFA route and wait and see. 

January is a strange time not many players kicking about and a few desperate clubs, maybe he has a chance of a longer contract somewhere and is not that confident a better / similar offer will come along in the summer when clubs already know their fate and have more choice and time.  Carlton Cole didn't get taken up in the summer and ended back at West Ham.

AS I said at the beginning the timing is strange given his situation and also some doubt his application, there wasn't a queue of clubs wanting to sign him from Sunderland so given he is coming up as a free this episode wouldn't of done him a lot of good.  You would of thought he would of just sat it out for 6 months its not as if anything has really changed for him with regard playing time at Stoke over the past year or so.  Please feel free to berate me but there is more to this than what is known at the moment and it will all come out in the wash.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on January 16, 2014, 12:46:40 PM
People will take sides defend their own etc., but I find this strange particularly the timing and whats gone on before.  I am not arsed personally but there is more to this than meets the eye.  Taking out the emotions we know a few things about players contracts that are basically universal in the prem. 

If the player puts in a transfer request he loses his signing on fee and/or loyalty bonus, players tend to leave putting a transfer request to the last resort and use papers / agents to get a move, clubs also do this that want to buy or sell a particular player.  He really needed to move out of Stoke a while ago, but he sits and does nothing. 

His contract is up in the summer, he is free to talk to foreign clubs after January and free at the end of the summer.  At this stage if the player is wanted by clubs it usually means the player gets a bigger signing on fee and higher wages due to the fact no transfer fee has to be paid.  So why do something like this with so short a time to go,  normally if a player has a serious situation that needs to be resolved and he isn't able to attend the club will let it slide, the fact he has been fined means the club doesn't believe his reason (if any) was serious enough for non attendance.  Thats just the way it is, if he believes it was then he can go through PFA route and wait and see. 

January is a strange time not many players kicking about and a few desperate clubs, maybe he has a chance of a longer contract somewhere and is not that confident a better / similar offer will come along in the summer when clubs already know their fate and have more choice and time.  Carlton Cole didn't get taken up in the summer and ended back at West Ham.

AS I said at the beginning the timing is strange given his situation and also some doubt his application, there wasn't a queue of clubs wanting to sign him from Sunderland so given he is coming up as a free this episode wouldn't of done him a lot of good.  You would of thought he would of just sat it out for 6 months its not as if anything has really changed for him with regard playing time at Stoke over the past year or so.  Please feel free to berate me but there is more to this than what is known at the moment and it will all come out in the wash.

Like Bakes, you are leaning to the club side. You are right there is more to come and hopefully everyone get what really happen. I think the overwhelming response was KJ wrong. Just not everyone believe it went down how the club said it did.

Say what, players have done worst and was forgiven.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 16, 2014, 01:28:44 PM
I think the overwhelming response was KJ wrong. Just not everyone believe it went down how the club said it did.
Exactly. I'm sure KJ being an unprofessional kakahole in some way or another. I just never believe one side wholesale when two sides are having a dispute. 9 times out of the 10, both sides is some biased nonsense and the truth is in the middle somewhere. 'Petulant player goes on strike to bewilderment of manager.' is most likely some bullshit.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on January 16, 2014, 01:30:40 PM
Like Bakes, you are leaning to the club side. You are right there is more to come and hopefully everyone get what really happen. I think the overwhelming response was KJ wrong. Just not everyone believe it went down how the club said it did.

Say what, players have done worst and was forgiven.

I think you are one of the only ones here looking at this as "choosing sides," this isn't about leaning in favor of the club, it's about picking sense from nonsense and going where logic and reason dictates.  Unlike you I feel no particular loyalty to Kenwyne, and as much as I admire Hughes, I can't stand Stoke as a club.  So I think I'm looking at this perhaps more objectively than most.  At the end of the day I doubt Stoke would be taking this much of a hardline approach if it were a true family emergency.  The last minute contact, and the medium could not have gone down well either, and for KJ's sake I fear he's done himself more harm than good.  Others say no, but I'm seeing far too many similarities between this and what went down at Southampton 7 years ago.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on January 16, 2014, 02:23:49 PM
Im with Blakes - if there was a genuine emergency then I'm sure the allowance would be made - you'd have to assume they're lacking basic human decency to argue that and I haven't seen any evidence that the Stoke management lack that.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tallman on January 16, 2014, 04:05:19 PM
Hughes disappointed with Kenwyne's attitude.
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/9118922/hughes-disappointed-with-jones-attitude
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on January 16, 2014, 04:21:02 PM
Im with Blakes - if there was a genuine emergency then I'm sure the allowance would be made - you'd have to assume they're lacking basic human decency to argue that and I haven't seen any evidence that the Stoke management lack that.

Wasn't it the same Stoke City management that sent special kits to Kenwyne's alma mater, St. Anthony's?  Didn't they also send some coaches and host some sort of clinic for local youth footballers too (though I could be wrong on that)?  Kenwyne memory short... and self-serving.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on January 16, 2014, 04:51:05 PM
Jokes section...nah

Is Tallest fault..tallest tell the man, he padna Roberto will take him tomorrow..capitan to capitan..well some babash pass, and he dun know he woulda fail the breathlizer, serious lash men like Yorkie & Latas didn't get thru..so he take in front and say, "Boss, I eat ah bad Roti".
Hughes figuring he up with the times and the young ppl..an when they say bad..it really mean good..so he figure, is all right, even if he doh know what a Row boat have to do with anything, musbe new sketel slang...next day, no KJ.
Now he shame to say, he old like ass, and get the message wrong. KJ, take the response text to PFA. Hughes crying disappointment.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: kev on January 18, 2014, 01:46:37 AM
People will take sides defend their own etc., but I find this strange particularly the timing and whats gone on before.  I am not arsed personally but there is more to this than meets the eye.  Taking out the emotions we know a few things about players contracts that are basically universal in the prem. 

If the player puts in a transfer request he loses his signing on fee and/or loyalty bonus, players tend to leave putting a transfer request to the last resort and use papers / agents to get a move, clubs also do this that want to buy or sell a particular player.  He really needed to move out of Stoke a while ago, but he sits and does nothing. 

His contract is up in the summer, he is free to talk to foreign clubs after January and free at the end of the summer.  At this stage if the player is wanted by clubs it usually means the player gets a bigger signing on fee and higher wages due to the fact no transfer fee has to be paid.  So why do something like this with so short a time to go,  normally if a player has a serious situation that needs to be resolved and he isn't able to attend the club will let it slide, the fact he has been fined means the club doesn't believe his reason (if any) was serious enough for non attendance.  Thats just the way it is, if he believes it was then he can go through PFA route and wait and see. 

January is a strange time not many players kicking about and a few desperate clubs, maybe he has a chance of a longer contract somewhere and is not that confident a better / similar offer will come along in the summer when clubs already know their fate and have more choice and time.  Carlton Cole didn't get taken up in the summer and ended back at West Ham.

AS I said at the beginning the timing is strange given his situation and also some doubt his application, there wasn't a queue of clubs wanting to sign him from Sunderland so given he is coming up as a free this episode wouldn't of done him a lot of good.  You would of thought he would of just sat it out for 6 months its not as if anything has really changed for him with regard playing time at Stoke over the past year or so.  Please feel free to berate me but there is more to this than what is known at the moment and it will all come out in the wash.

Like Bakes, you are leaning to the club side. You are right there is more to come and hopefully everyone get what really happen. I think the overwhelming response was KJ wrong. Just not everyone believe it went down how the club said it did.

Say what, players have done worst and was forgiven.

I don't know how stating the obvious is siding with the club, he has been fined it is therefore reasonable to assume whatever the excuse wasn't acceptable to the club.  I just don't believe any club would put itself in this position if the situation warranted absence,  it would be bad PR and likely to lose the case against the PFA and you would hope any club would have the common decency to allow a player not to turn up if the situation needed it.

You are right players have done a lot worse and got away with it and the clubs have brought this on themselves.  The list is fairly lengthy, striking, not turning up, drink/drugs, court cases and then look at the likes of Tevez and Suarez.  The clubs and fans tend to have the moral compass of a slug when it comes to them needing those players and hence defend / ignore and forgive.  Kenwyne isn't in the situation where he is a vital piece of the team at Stoke.
Title: Text? What text? Kenwyne Jones, the truth
Post by: Tallman on January 18, 2014, 10:06:03 AM
Text? What text? Kenwyne Jones, the truth
The Secret Footballer


You know, it’s funny what people will swallow. Not in the David Blaine sense but the headlines and the bullshit that fly about in this game of ours from time to time.

Pulling the wool over people’s eyes, however, is not just the preserve of Blaine and his magic circle chums. It happens in every business and football is no different.

This week, I read the reports that suggested Kenwyne Jones had sent a text message to his club informing them that he was not available for selection for Stoke City’s match against Liverpool.

Naturally, the media and the wider football community went into meltdown; even our own Secret Journalist jumped on the bandwagon: http://ow.ly/sI5h0.

Every article I read had one thing in common – none of them had a single quote from Jones. I smelt a rat but, at the time, I didn’t know the real facts. But now I do.

I wasn’t the only player who smelt a rat, either. A lot of Premier League players did, including the half dozen or so who I’ve spoken to since and who were all in agreement about one thing.

Read More... (http://socawarriors.net/foreign-based/foreign-based-news/foreign-based-news/13536-text-what-text-kenwyne-jones-the-truth.html)
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: de_redman on January 18, 2014, 10:22:40 AM
Hmm... Come on Bakes what sh!tty rebuttal you have now?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on January 18, 2014, 10:26:00 AM
Hmm... Come on Bakes what sh!tty rebuttal you have now?

Given how far yuh head is up Kenwyne ass... you shouldn't need my help to find a "sh!tty rebuttal".
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Football supporter on January 18, 2014, 10:32:19 AM
Food for thought....but this secret footballer also states no facts, just supposition. If I wanted to sell a player who I didn't want...that guy would be the nicest, most professional guy in the game, but the coach prefers player b in his line up.  No need for Dan Brown style conspiracies. They just devalue the player and put off other clubs.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: de_redman on January 18, 2014, 10:34:24 AM
Hmm... Come on Bakes what sh!tty rebuttal you have now?

Given how far yuh head is up Kenwyne ass... you shouldn't need my help to find a "sh!tty rebuttal".
Better than Stoke f00cking my mind.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on January 18, 2014, 10:43:33 AM
Food for thought....but this secret footballer also states no facts, just supposition. If I wanted to sell a player who I didn't want...that guy would be the nicest, most professional guy in the game, but the coach prefers player b in his line up.  No need for Dan Brown style conspiracies. They just devalue the player and put off other clubs.

The article is nonsense... he states repeatedly that Kenwyne doesn't want to leave Stoke, when it's clear as day that Kenwyne would welcome the opportunity to move to Everton.  Not only that, but why wasn't Kenwyne at the stadium?  Did Stoke bar him from coming?  Some people just lack the ability to think for themselves.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on January 18, 2014, 11:00:56 AM
Remember he from the land of oil and music (and now exporting coke in juice can).  The article states no facts, but he raise a valid point, lets see the text message, but hey they don't have to prove anything.........right.  ::)

How is it clear as day that KJ wants to move? Where did that come from? I know a submitted transfer request. lol
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: de_redman on January 18, 2014, 11:09:23 AM
Food for thought....but this secret footballer also states no facts, just supposition. If I wanted to sell a player who I didn't want...that guy would be the nicest, most professional guy in the game, but the coach prefers player b in his line up.  No need for Dan Brown style conspiracies. They just devalue the player and put off other clubs.

The article is nonsense... he states repeatedly that Kenwyne doesn't want to leave Stoke, when it's clear as day that Kenwyne would welcome the opportunity to move to Everton.  Not only that, but why wasn't Kenwyne at the stadium?  Did Stoke bar him from coming?  Some people just lack the ability to think for themselves.
1. Did Kenwyne tell you he wants to leave stoke at this time? What you've failed to state is the point the author was making in reference to salary considerations. Kenwyne has a sweet deal for the next 6 months or so and wouldn't want to mess with that.
2. You don't know what kind of conversations/manipulation took place between stoke and KJ before the game. As the reference to the keeper in the article shows the club could act one way and spin it for the media and fans.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: g on January 18, 2014, 12:18:46 PM
The truth is out there somewhere
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Kingk on January 18, 2014, 12:29:06 PM
Text? What text? Kenwyne Jones, the truth
The Secret Footballer


You know, it’s funny what people will swallow. Not in the David Blaine sense but the headlines and the bullshit that fly about in this game of ours from time to time.

Pulling the wool over people’s eyes, however, is not just the preserve of Blaine and his magic circle chums. It happens in every business and football is no different.

This week, I read the reports that suggested Kenwyne Jones had sent a text message to his club informing them that he was not available for selection for Stoke City’s match against Liverpool.

Naturally, the media and the wider football community went into meltdown; even our own Secret Journalist jumped on the bandwagon: http://ow.ly/sI5h0.

Every article I read had one thing in common – none of them had a single quote from Jones. I smelt a rat but, at the time, I didn’t know the real facts. But now I do.

I wasn’t the only player who smelt a rat, either. A lot of Premier League players did, including the half dozen or so who I’ve spoken to since and who were all in agreement about one thing.

Read More... (http://socawarriors.net/foreign-based/foreign-based-news/foreign-based-news/13536-text-what-text-kenwyne-jones-the-truth.html)

good point no one has seen the actual text
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: kev on January 18, 2014, 12:58:09 PM
If Kenwyne didn't send a text why doesn't he just deny it?  Straight forward really.  I don't think Hughes is going to show everybody the message on his phone in the press conference.

Remember he from the land of oil and music (and now exporting coke in juice can).  The article states no facts, but he raise a valid point, lets see the text message, but hey they don't have to prove anything.........right.  ::)

How is it clear as day that KJ wants to move? Where did that come from? I know a submitted transfer request. lol
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on January 18, 2014, 09:16:00 PM
not sure the secret footballer has added much to the discussion - just more speculation on the topic. Something has gone awry at Stoke tho
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Football supporter on January 19, 2014, 12:12:31 AM
Food for thought....but this secret footballer also states no facts, just supposition. If I wanted to sell a player who I didn't want...that guy would be the nicest, most professional guy in the game, but the coach prefers player b in his line up.  No need for Dan Brown style conspiracies. They just devalue the player and put off other clubs.

The article is nonsense... he states repeatedly that Kenwyne doesn't want to leave Stoke, when it's clear as day that Kenwyne would welcome the opportunity to move to Everton.  Not only that, but why wasn't Kenwyne at the stadium?  Did Stoke bar him from coming?  Some people just lack the ability to think for themselves.
1. Did Kenwyne tell you he wants to leave stoke at this time? What you've failed to state is the point the author was making in reference to salary considerations. Kenwyne has a sweet deal for the next 6 months or so and wouldn't want to mess with that.
2. You don't know what kind of conversations/manipulation took place between stoke and KJ before the game. As the reference to the keeper in the article shows the club could act one way and spin it for the media and fans.

Just playing devils advocate here, but I could fill this thread with stories of players who have been "screwed by their club" and have been guilty as sin. And another thread of stories of players who were innocent and got screwed.
I even have an instance where a player was totally guilty and I helped him screw the club because they didn't follow proper procedure. (So I kinda know how lawyers feel when they get a guilty client off on a technicality).
It is entirely possible that we will never know the truth. Did you know that every prison in the world is full of innocent people (according to the inmates!), and every sacked player was unfairly treated?
KJ is clearly not happy and perhaps Hughes or one of his staff said something that sent KJ over the edge. Whether or not KJ sent a text is immaterial. Fact is, he didn't attend the pre game meal, which is compulsory. From there, they've got you on the back foot.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Preacher on January 19, 2014, 01:07:18 AM
not sure the secret footballer has added much to the discussion - just more speculation on the topic. Something has gone awry at Stoke tho

That's more than speculation bro.  KJ never send no txt the club lie and setting up the man.  Why you don't just come out and say YOU was quick to blast KJ without all the info?  You and your peeps are the only ones speculating here like yall don't know what does go on in real life.   scheeupps.  NEWFLASH!!!  God don't sleep.  The mark going to buss on Stoke over this and KJ moving on with his head held high. 
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on January 19, 2014, 05:42:24 AM
not sure the secret footballer has added much to the discussion - just more speculation on the topic. Something has gone awry at Stoke tho

That's more than speculation bro.  KJ never send no txt the club lie and setting up the man.  Why you don't just come out and say YOU was quick to blast KJ without all the info?  You and your peeps are the only ones speculating here like yall don't know what does go on in real life.   scheeupps.  NEWFLASH!!!  God don't sleep.  The mark going to buss on Stoke over this and KJ moving on with his head held high.

We only have this guy's word for it, but he offers no proof and doesn't back up his claim. You can't ever act on all info when it comes to this hearsay stuff, but the facts as I know them haven't changed - KJ was fined for not fulfilling his professional obligations and I don't disagree with that.

When the facts as we know them change, so will my opinion :)
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on January 19, 2014, 12:22:02 PM
not sure the secret footballer has added much to the discussion - just more speculation on the topic. Something has gone awry at Stoke tho

That's more than speculation bro.  KJ never send no txt the club lie and setting up the man.  Why you don't just come out and say YOU was quick to blast KJ without all the info?  You and your peeps are the only ones speculating here like yall don't know what does go on in real life.   scheeupps.  NEWFLASH!!!  God don't sleep.  The mark going to buss on Stoke over this and KJ moving on with his head held high.

We only have this guy's word for it, but he offers no proof and doesn't back up his claim. You can't ever act on all info when it comes to this hearsay stuff, but the facts as I know them haven't changed - KJ was fined for not fulfilling his professional obligations and I don't disagree with that.

When the facts as we know them change, so will my opinion :)

What proof do you have from the club?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on January 19, 2014, 12:34:20 PM
not sure the secret footballer has added much to the discussion - just more speculation on the topic. Something has gone awry at Stoke tho

That's more than speculation bro.  KJ never send no txt the club lie and setting up the man.  Why you don't just come out and say YOU was quick to blast KJ without all the info?  You and your peeps are the only ones speculating here like yall don't know what does go on in real life.   scheeupps.  NEWFLASH!!!  God don't sleep.  The mark going to buss on Stoke over this and KJ moving on with his head held high.

We only have this guy's word for it, but he offers no proof and doesn't back up his claim. You can't ever act on all info when it comes to this hearsay stuff, but the facts as I know them haven't changed - KJ was fined for not fulfilling his professional obligations and I don't disagree with that.

When the facts as we know them change, so will my opinion :)

What proof do you have from the club?

I know the following;

Kenwyne Jones was fined two weeks wages for failing to turn up to the Liverpool game
Kenwyne Jones has 6 months left on his contract
His contract stipulates that he should attend matches when required
Everton are reportedly interested in signing Kenwyne Jones
Kenwyne Jones has not made a formal statement about the affair to the media
Kenwyne Jones has claimed on Twitter "Don't believe everything you read in the papers", followed by "Hopefully they will speak the truth if not in time I will.". Further, he claimed that it had nothing to do with tactics, but about the club making itself look good.
There's no news either way on Kenwyne Jones' transfer status (listed or not)
Kenwyne Jones had played in the FA cup match immediately before this news story
All confirmation of this has come from an interview with Mark Hughes

The following is speculated (not by me, but these are theories);
Kenwyne Jones informed the club of his non-arrival via text
Kenwyne Jones is maneuvering for a transfer to Everton
He will move when a replacement is found for him
Mark Hughes and Stoke City are spinning the story to make Jones look bad


Given the sparse facts, I conclude that all we know for certain at this stage is that he has been fined a hefty sum of money for not turning up to the Liverpool game, which he was required to do under the terms of his contract. From this, I believe he has acted in an unprofessional manner, a professional manner demanding a fulfilment of your obligations under the terms of your contract.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: kev on January 20, 2014, 02:52:21 PM
not sure the secret footballer has added much to the discussion - just more speculation on the topic. Something has gone awry at Stoke tho

That's more than speculation bro.  KJ never send no txt the club lie and setting up the man.  Why you don't just come out and say YOU was quick to blast KJ without all the info?  You and your peeps are the only ones speculating here like yall don't know what does go on in real life.   scheeupps.  NEWFLASH!!!  God don't sleep.  The mark going to buss on Stoke over this and KJ moving on with his head held high.

We only have this guy's word for it, but he offers no proof and doesn't back up his claim. You can't ever act on all info when it comes to this hearsay stuff, but the facts as I know them haven't changed - KJ was fined for not fulfilling his professional obligations and I don't disagree with that.

When the facts as we know them change, so will my opinion :)

What proof do you have from the club?

I know the following;

Kenwyne Jones was fined two weeks wages for failing to turn up to the Liverpool game
Kenwyne Jones has 6 months left on his contract
His contract stipulates that he should attend matches when required
Everton are reportedly interested in signing Kenwyne Jones
Kenwyne Jones has not made a formal statement about the affair to the media
Kenwyne Jones has claimed on Twitter "Don't believe everything you read in the papers", followed by "Hopefully they will speak the truth if not in time I will.". Further, he claimed that it had nothing to do with tactics, but about the club making itself look good.
There's no news either way on Kenwyne Jones' transfer status (listed or not)
Kenwyne Jones had played in the FA cup match immediately before this news story
All confirmation of this has come from an interview with Mark Hughes

The following is speculated (not by me, but these are theories);
Kenwyne Jones informed the club of his non-arrival via text
Kenwyne Jones is maneuvering for a transfer to Everton
He will move when a replacement is found for him
Mark Hughes and Stoke City are spinning the story to make Jones look bad


Given the sparse facts, I conclude that all we know for certain at this stage is that he has been fined a hefty sum of money for not turning up to the Liverpool game, which he was required to do under the terms of his contract. From this, I believe he has acted in an unprofessional manner, a professional manner demanding a fulfilment of your obligations under the terms of your contract.


Thats logic but the only problem is people like to point to things that support their viewpoint, like The Secret Footballer and all that is a journalist, no different or more believable than any other journalist.

The vast majority of football fans are fed up of mercenary footballers acting like spoiled brats, unless of course its for their team in which case they will defend the undefendable.  So most neutrals will readily believe the clubs statement. 

All Kenwyne or his agent have to do is come out and deny the story about the text,  this will then put the club on the back foot and will have to produce proof.  If this is true that the club has lied they can't do anything to Kenwyne the PFA will see to that, he will be no worse off because he will still have and be paid for the rest of his contract and he will look better to the neutrals and potential clubs.  So you have to ask yourself why he hasn't denied it, he has absolutely nothing to lose and a lot to gain by doing so.

Everton by the way are rumoured to by taking Lucina Traore on loan from Monaco, but its not like agents to put stories around to generate interest in players this time of year though is it, there might be somebody interested in Kenwyne but not necessarily Everton.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on January 20, 2014, 03:37:43 PM
not sure the secret footballer has added much to the discussion - just more speculation on the topic. Something has gone awry at Stoke tho

That's more than speculation bro.  KJ never send no txt the club lie and setting up the man.  Why you don't just come out and say YOU was quick to blast KJ without all the info?  You and your peeps are the only ones speculating here like yall don't know what does go on in real life.   scheeupps.  NEWFLASH!!!  God don't sleep.  The mark going to buss on Stoke over this and KJ moving on with his head held high.

We only have this guy's word for it, but he offers no proof and doesn't back up his claim. You can't ever act on all info when it comes to this hearsay stuff, but the facts as I know them haven't changed - KJ was fined for not fulfilling his professional obligations and I don't disagree with that.

When the facts as we know them change, so will my opinion :)

What proof do you have from the club?

I know the following;

Kenwyne Jones was fined two weeks wages for failing to turn up to the Liverpool game
Kenwyne Jones has 6 months left on his contract
His contract stipulates that he should attend matches when required
Everton are reportedly interested in signing Kenwyne Jones
Kenwyne Jones has not made a formal statement about the affair to the media
Kenwyne Jones has claimed on Twitter "Don't believe everything you read in the papers", followed by "Hopefully they will speak the truth if not in time I will.". Further, he claimed that it had nothing to do with tactics, but about the club making itself look good.
There's no news either way on Kenwyne Jones' transfer status (listed or not)
Kenwyne Jones had played in the FA cup match immediately before this news story
All confirmation of this has come from an interview with Mark Hughes

The following is speculated (not by me, but these are theories);
Kenwyne Jones informed the club of his non-arrival via text
Kenwyne Jones is maneuvering for a transfer to Everton
He will move when a replacement is found for him
Mark Hughes and Stoke City are spinning the story to make Jones look bad


Given the sparse facts, I conclude that all we know for certain at this stage is that he has been fined a hefty sum of money for not turning up to the Liverpool game, which he was required to do under the terms of his contract. From this, I believe he has acted in an unprofessional manner, a professional manner demanding a fulfilment of your obligations under the terms of your contract.


Thats logic but the only problem is people like to point to things that support their viewpoint, like The Secret Footballer and all that is a journalist, no different or more believable than any other journalist.

The vast majority of football fans are fed up of mercenary footballers acting like spoiled brats, unless of course its for their team in which case they will defend the undefendable.  So most neutrals will readily believe the clubs statement. 

All Kenwyne or his agent have to do is come out and deny the story about the text,  this will then put the club on the back foot and will have to produce proof.  If this is true that the club has lied they can't do anything to Kenwyne the PFA will see to that, he will be no worse off because he will still have and be paid for the rest of his contract and he will look better to the neutrals and potential clubs.  So you have to ask yourself why he hasn't denied it, he has absolutely nothing to lose and a lot to gain by doing so.

Everton by the way are rumoured to by taking Lucina Traore on loan from Monaco, but its not like agents to put stories around to generate interest in players this time of year though is it, there might be somebody interested in Kenwyne but not necessarily Everton.

He's currently doing a medical at Everton on a 6 month loan so it looks like if they're interested in Jones they'll wait till the summer to get him for free
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mose on January 20, 2014, 04:19:10 PM
not sure the secret footballer has added much to the discussion - just more speculation on the topic. Something has gone awry at Stoke tho

That's more than speculation bro.  KJ never send no txt the club lie and setting up the man.  Why you don't just come out and say YOU was quick to blast KJ without all the info?  You and your peeps are the only ones speculating here like yall don't know what does go on in real life.   scheeupps.  NEWFLASH!!!  God don't sleep.  The mark going to buss on Stoke over this and KJ moving on with his head held high.

We only have this guy's word for it, but he offers no proof and doesn't back up his claim. You can't ever act on all info when it comes to this hearsay stuff, but the facts as I know them haven't changed - KJ was fined for not fulfilling his professional obligations and I don't disagree with that.

When the facts as we know them change, so will my opinion :)

What proof do you have from the club?

I know the following;

Kenwyne Jones was fined two weeks wages for failing to turn up to the Liverpool game
Kenwyne Jones has 6 months left on his contract
His contract stipulates that he should attend matches when required
Everton are reportedly interested in signing Kenwyne Jones
Kenwyne Jones has not made a formal statement about the affair to the media
Kenwyne Jones has claimed on Twitter "Don't believe everything you read in the papers", followed by "Hopefully they will speak the truth if not in time I will.". Further, he claimed that it had nothing to do with tactics, but about the club making itself look good.
There's no news either way on Kenwyne Jones' transfer status (listed or not)
Kenwyne Jones had played in the FA cup match immediately before this news story
All confirmation of this has come from an interview with Mark Hughes

The following is speculated (not by me, but these are theories);
Kenwyne Jones informed the club of his non-arrival via text
Kenwyne Jones is maneuvering for a transfer to Everton
He will move when a replacement is found for him
Mark Hughes and Stoke City are spinning the story to make Jones look bad


Given the sparse facts, I conclude that all we know for certain at this stage is that he has been fined a hefty sum of money for not turning up to the Liverpool game, which he was required to do under the terms of his contract. From this, I believe he has acted in an unprofessional manner, a professional manner demanding a fulfilment of your obligations under the terms of your contract.


Thats logic but the only problem is people like to point to things that support their viewpoint, like The Secret Footballer and all that is a journalist, no different or more believable than any other journalist.

The vast majority of football fans are fed up of mercenary footballers acting like spoiled brats, unless of course its for their team in which case they will defend the undefendable.  So most neutrals will readily believe the clubs statement. 

All Kenwyne or his agent have to do is come out and deny the story about the text,  this will then put the club on the back foot and will have to produce proof.  If this is true that the club has lied they can't do anything to Kenwyne the PFA will see to that, he will be no worse off because he will still have and be paid for the rest of his contract and he will look better to the neutrals and potential clubs.  So you have to ask yourself why he hasn't denied it, he has absolutely nothing to lose and a lot to gain by doing so.

Everton by the way are rumoured to by taking Lucina Traore on loan from Monaco, but its not like agents to put stories around to generate interest in players this time of year though is it, there might be somebody interested in Kenwyne but not necessarily Everton.

He's currently doing a medical at Everton on a 6 month loan so it looks like if they're interested in Jones they'll wait till the summer to get him for free

Can't they sign him for free now given that his contract is up in the summer? I thought the rule was that players are available on a free transfer in January if their contract was ending the following summer.

EDIT: My bad. Got this from Wikipedia:
Quote
With six months or less remaining on an existing contract for players aged 23 or older, they are free to negotiate with other clubs and sign a pre-contract agreement, indicating their ability to move to their intended club on a Bosman transfer once the next transfer window opens.

So at this point he doesn't need to hand in a transfer request, unless he wants to leave immediately. Otherwise, he's free to negotiate with other clubs and sign with the intent to leave this summer.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Sam on January 20, 2014, 04:44:18 PM
If KJ read this message, I say so.

Hey Jones, F00ck all of them...

You be strong and go to Everton if you get the chance and make sure you burn Stoke when you face them.

This club not playing de man so how you expect him to score or to contribute, they can't only go with training. Yea, I know KJ could improve some stuff but to me he has, de man has made a drastic turn around, give him a chance nah and stop lying on de man.

Even if he miss de team meal, ask de man why and don't assume. He must be vex anyway, any player would be vex if they not getting playing time, look Mata vex too, its kills a player confidence and career.

KJ, you work hard and show them bro, to hell with Stoke and especially de coach, he days numbered too.

KJ would score more but the coach kill his confidence.

Stephen Hart is de only man who really make KJ play to his true potential.

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on January 20, 2014, 04:54:39 PM
I really hope Jones goes to Everton and gets game time, he's a good player and vital for our progression.

In terms of the pre-contract - that's the Bosman rule in action right there. He can sign that pre-contract agreement anytime, but obviously he wont move till the summer. I'm sure his agent is in no hurry to sign a pre-contract and will be going around drumming interest. Don't be surprised if he goes abroad for big money to a place like Turkey - he's surely good enough to get serious top dollar
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: kev on January 21, 2014, 01:44:47 PM
not sure the secret footballer has added much to the discussion - just more speculation on the topic. Something has gone awry at Stoke tho

That's more than speculation bro.  KJ never send no txt the club lie and setting up the man.  Why you don't just come out and say YOU was quick to blast KJ without all the info?  You and your peeps are the only ones speculating here like yall don't know what does go on in real life.   scheeupps.  NEWFLASH!!!  God don't sleep.  The mark going to buss on Stoke over this and KJ moving on with his head held high.

We only have this guy's word for it, but he offers no proof and doesn't back up his claim. You can't ever act on all info when it comes to this hearsay stuff, but the facts as I know them haven't changed - KJ was fined for not fulfilling his professional obligations and I don't disagree with that.

When the facts as we know them change, so will my opinion :)

What proof do you have from the club?

I know the following;

Kenwyne Jones was fined two weeks wages for failing to turn up to the Liverpool game
Kenwyne Jones has 6 months left on his contract
His contract stipulates that he should attend matches when required
Everton are reportedly interested in signing Kenwyne Jones
Kenwyne Jones has not made a formal statement about the affair to the media
Kenwyne Jones has claimed on Twitter "Don't believe everything you read in the papers", followed by "Hopefully they will speak the truth if not in time I will.". Further, he claimed that it had nothing to do with tactics, but about the club making itself look good.
There's no news either way on Kenwyne Jones' transfer status (listed or not)
Kenwyne Jones had played in the FA cup match immediately before this news story
All confirmation of this has come from an interview with Mark Hughes

The following is speculated (not by me, but these are theories);
Kenwyne Jones informed the club of his non-arrival via text
Kenwyne Jones is maneuvering for a transfer to Everton
He will move when a replacement is found for him
Mark Hughes and Stoke City are spinning the story to make Jones look bad


Given the sparse facts, I conclude that all we know for certain at this stage is that he has been fined a hefty sum of money for not turning up to the Liverpool game, which he was required to do under the terms of his contract. From this, I believe he has acted in an unprofessional manner, a professional manner demanding a fulfilment of your obligations under the terms of your contract.


Thats logic but the only problem is people like to point to things that support their viewpoint, like The Secret Footballer and all that is a journalist, no different or more believable than any other journalist.

The vast majority of football fans are fed up of mercenary footballers acting like spoiled brats, unless of course its for their team in which case they will defend the undefendable.  So most neutrals will readily believe the clubs statement. 

All Kenwyne or his agent have to do is come out and deny the story about the text,  this will then put the club on the back foot and will have to produce proof.  If this is true that the club has lied they can't do anything to Kenwyne the PFA will see to that, he will be no worse off because he will still have and be paid for the rest of his contract and he will look better to the neutrals and potential clubs.  So you have to ask yourself why he hasn't denied it, he has absolutely nothing to lose and a lot to gain by doing so.

Everton by the way are rumoured to by taking Lucina Traore on loan from Monaco, but its not like agents to put stories around to generate interest in players this time of year though is it, there might be somebody interested in Kenwyne but not necessarily Everton.

He's currently doing a medical at Everton on a 6 month loan so it looks like if they're interested in Jones they'll wait till the summer to get him for free

Can't they sign him for free now given that his contract is up in the summer? I thought the rule was that players are available on a free transfer in January if their contract was ending the following summer.

EDIT: My bad. Got this from Wikipedia:
Quote
With six months or less remaining on an existing contract for players aged 23 or older, they are free to negotiate with other clubs and sign a pre-contract agreement, indicating their ability to move to their intended club on a Bosman transfer once the next transfer window opens.

So at this point he doesn't need to hand in a transfer request, unless he wants to leave immediately. Otherwise, he's free to negotiate with other clubs and sign with the intent to leave this summer.

My understanding is he is free to talk to foreign clubs from January and sign pre contract - thats prem rules in case he signs contract for one and ends up playing against them (I think).

I doubt anybody in the prem will pay him top dollar with the new FFP, as mentioned Turkey / Middle East / Russian with low tax.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on January 21, 2014, 03:46:55 PM
He can't move till the Summer, but may sign pre-contract deals. If he wants to move immediately he needs a transfer, but submitting a transfer request might undermine "loyalty" agreements and bonuses he might be entitled to if he goes till the end of his contract without asking for one
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on January 24, 2014, 11:47:15 PM
Jones could return to face Chelsea.
By Ian Edwards (soccernet)


The striker has not featured in manager Mark Hughes' squad since he sent a text on the eve of the recent 5-3 home defeat to Liverpool to say he was unavailable for selection.

Trinidad and Tobago international Jones was fined two weeks wages -- around £80,000 -- and left out of the squad for last weekend's 1-0 defeat at Crystal Palace, but has been training with the rest of the group this week.

Hughes said: "At the time, I was not happy with what happened. We have discussed a few things, and he knows the situation and the club's feelings on the issue.

"The club is aware of the player's feelings as well. He has trained correctly since. He has shown he wants to do things right and be professional, and he is available for selection.

"There has been no problem with the group. The group is a good group, and there would have been a reaction if Kenwyne had not applied himself and approached things in the right way.

"Nothing has happened with Kenwyne in terms of the transfer market. You never know how things might develop for the rest of the window, but at the moment we cannot afford to let him go out because that would weaken us."

Hughes also made it clear that Peter Crouch would not be allowed to join Queens Park Rangers this month, and said he was hopeful loan signing John Guidetti would be available at Stamford Bridge despite missing Friday training because of illness.

"We will have to wait and see how he is," he said. "Hopefully, it will be a 24-hour thing. I wanted to give him some game time and see whether he can show he can do the things we want him to and score goals for us."

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: kev on January 25, 2014, 05:18:35 AM
Swap deal with Cardiff for Odemwingie is on the cards
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: 100% Barataria on January 25, 2014, 06:57:58 AM
Swap deal with Cardiff for Odemwingie is on the cards

Saw that on mirror, is it posted elsewhere?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 25, 2014, 10:00:53 AM
Swap deal with Cardiff for Odemwingie is on the cards
Starting to look like this might be for real. KJ clearing out his locker. Odemwingie in town.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: rotatopoti3 on January 25, 2014, 10:29:16 AM
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-set-sign-manchester-6593684

OGS go sign him. Look like Yorkie call him and say give KJ ah bligh
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on January 25, 2014, 12:48:21 PM
Cardiff are bottom but are 1 pt away from getting out the relegation zone.
It would be nice if Jones can take Cardiff above Stoke but things really not lookin good for Cardiff City.
That has to be a hard decision to go there.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tallman on January 25, 2014, 01:00:06 PM
STOKE CITY can confirm it has reached an agreement with Cardiff City over a move for striker Peter Odemwingie that will see Kenwyne Jones head to South Wales in a player-exchange transfer.

The deal is subject to both players passing medicals and agreeing personal terms but the Potters hope to conclude their move for the Nigerian international over the weekend.

http://www.stokecityfc.com/news/article/transfer-update-1315611.aspx
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on January 25, 2014, 01:08:41 PM
STOKE CITY can confirm it has reached an agreement with Cardiff City over a move for striker Peter Odemwingie that will see Kenwyne Jones head to South Wales in a player-exchange transfer.

The deal is subject to both players passing medicals and agreeing personal terms but the Potters hope to conclude their move for the Nigerian international over the weekend.

http://www.stokecityfc.com/news/article/transfer-update-1315611.aspx

Good deal for Cardiff, no idea why Stoke would want Odemwingie - no respect for him and his 'driving to London to force a move' antics
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: ckhan on January 25, 2014, 01:19:27 PM
Here's to a fresh start kj. Leave the nonsense at Stoke on Trent and enjoy the sights and sounds of Cardiff.  :beermug:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tallman on January 25, 2014, 01:29:11 PM
Solskjaer confirms Jones close to Cardiff arrival
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-boss-ole-gunnar-6594469
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 25, 2014, 01:58:03 PM
no respect for him and his 'driving to London to force a move' antics
Didn't it eventually come out that he was told to come down there? I forget by whom. But he was apparently there under the impression that it was a done deal, not trying to force a move.

Kenwyne and Campbell potentially a good link up, though. Any side could go down out of that bottom 10. Palace went from rock bottom to 16th in no time. So not a bad move. just a risky one.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on January 25, 2014, 03:43:29 PM
Didn't it eventually come out that he was told to come down there? I forget by whom. But he was apparently there under the impression that it was a done deal, not trying to force a move.

Yes, it would be a bizarre way to try and force a transfer.  At any rate, I rate Odemwingie.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on January 25, 2014, 05:15:24 PM
plenty wuk ahead to stay a EPL player
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on January 25, 2014, 05:45:34 PM
So what would happen if Jones does not agree personal terms at this point?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: trini_stallion on January 25, 2014, 05:51:39 PM
Cardiff jed...wham to everton...o swansea....dotishness yes
Title: Re: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: fitzinho on January 25, 2014, 06:15:23 PM
So what would happen if Jones does not agree personal terms at this point?
very good question... Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Yorke crash a transfer out of Man U by refusing to agree terms with Middleborough?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on January 25, 2014, 06:21:09 PM
Think it through... the transfer fee is what's paid to secure the RIGHT to negotiate with the player.  You still have to personally negotiate a contract with the player.  So no contract signed, then obviously the transfer is off.  It might help to not think in terms of "trading" a player.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on January 25, 2014, 06:30:54 PM
As in: how would Hughes and the rest of management react? Suck it up and include Jones in the squad for the rest of the season or get vex and ship him off to youth team training.
Last season it happened to Malouda at Chelsea, U-21 training all season long.
Maybe it would be different for Jones since it's halfway through the season.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: FF on January 25, 2014, 06:43:42 PM
Cardiff jed...wham to everton...o swansea....dotishness yes

You really think Jones up to that level?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: grimm01 on January 25, 2014, 07:07:05 PM
Cardiff jed...wham to everton...o swansea....dotishness yes

You really think Jones up to that level?

lol, Crouch keeping him on the bench but he going Everton to run up minutes at Lukaku expense?

Cardiff have a long road to hoe to stay in the EPL so he have plenty incentive to knock in the goals; score and they stay up - he is the hero, score and they go down - he could get a cut-price transfer when Cardiff cutting expenses.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on January 25, 2014, 07:23:15 PM
As in: how would Hughes and the rest of management react? Suck it up and include Jones in the squad for the rest of the season or get vex and ship him off to youth team training.
Last season it happened to Malouda at Chelsea, U-21 training all season long.
Maybe it would be different for Jones since it's halfway through the season.

There's nothing to suck up, Stoke didn't try to run him is he try to force a transfer.  Reports in the British press are that Hughes had intended to play him against Chelsea in the FA Cup.  So clearly they'd carry on as they have all season.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: g on January 25, 2014, 07:31:43 PM
Well once the deal goes through he will get a run of prob 10 games or so. We'll see if he can lead Cardiff into safety.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on January 25, 2014, 08:47:54 PM
As in: how would Hughes and the rest of management react? Suck it up and include Jones in the squad for the rest of the season or get vex and ship him off to youth team training.
Last season it happened to Malouda at Chelsea, U-21 training all season long.
Maybe it would be different for Jones since it's halfway through the season.

There's nothing to suck up, Stoke didn't try to run him is he try to force a transfer. Reports in the British press are that Hughes had intended to play him against Chelsea in the FA Cup.  So clearly they'd carry on as they have all season.


The quote I saw was that he was available for selection, the reporter's headline about him returning vs Chelsea was pure speculation based on the quote.  British press does report real shit when they ready.

Solskjaer might be able to teach KJ a couple things about positioning. 
Whatever happens I hope it works out for KJ.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: de_redman on January 25, 2014, 10:09:57 PM
As in: how would Hughes and the rest of management react? Suck it up and include Jones in the squad for the rest of the season or get vex and ship him off to youth team training.
Last season it happened to Malouda at Chelsea, U-21 training all season long.
Maybe it would be different for Jones since it's halfway through the season.

There's nothing to suck up, Stoke didn't try to run him is he try to force a transfer.  Reports in the British press are that Hughes had intended to play him against Chelsea in the FA Cup.  So clearly they'd carry on as they have all season.

Wtf  ??? ??? ??? Any intelligence I thought you had just went out the window...
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on January 26, 2014, 02:22:22 AM
Never trust a word in the Daily Mail, the rest are nearly as bad. Guardian and Independent are probably the 'most' worth your trust for footy news, but the whole bunch are pretty bad. Football365.com is where I go for news and analysis personally.
Title: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: g on January 26, 2014, 02:42:16 AM
Wheys, I dreamt that I was KJ strike partner for Cardiff on his debut. D man score in d first half even though the keeper could have saved the shot and the game finish 1 nil. I missed a sitter and was subbed mid second half
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: kev on January 26, 2014, 04:48:08 AM
Here's to a fresh start kj. Leave the nonsense at Stoke on Trent and enjoy the sights and sounds of Cardiff.  :beermug:

Never been to Cardiff, have you  ;D
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: boss on January 26, 2014, 06:08:32 AM
Wheys, I dreamt that I was KJ strike partner for Cardiff on his debut. D man score in d first half even though the keeper could have saved the shot and the game finish 1 nil. I missed a sitter and was subbed mid second half

 ???  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: de_redman on January 26, 2014, 06:45:24 AM
It would be kinda sad if KJ moves to the last placed team in the prem and sits on the bench behind Frazier Campbell  :banginghead:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bitter on January 26, 2014, 08:30:03 AM
It would be kinda sad if KJ moves to the last placed team in the prem and sits on the bench behind Frazier Campbell  :banginghead:

Yeah, but at least we won't have to watch Stoke any more. Plus he will break the red stripe jersey thing he have going on.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 26, 2014, 08:38:14 AM
It would be kinda sad if KJ moves to the last placed team in the prem and sits on the bench behind Frazier Campbell  :banginghead:
Bench is ok. The problem at Stoke is that he was glued to it, watching the people ahead of him fail. Cardiff didn't bring him in to sit down, so more than likely he'll be part of a fair rotation.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: ckhan on January 26, 2014, 09:32:45 AM
Here's to a fresh start kj. Leave the nonsense at Stoke on Trent and enjoy the sights and sounds of Cardiff.  :beermug:

Never been to Cardiff, have you  ;D

Lol...Actually, I have. Its not Bath by anymeans but it can hold its own.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: kev on January 26, 2014, 11:58:26 AM
Here's to a fresh start kj. Leave the nonsense at Stoke on Trent and enjoy the sights and sounds of Cardiff.  :beermug:

Never been to Cardiff, have you  ;D

Lol...Actually, I have. Its not Bath by anymeans but it can hold its own.

I was only joking tbf as you noticed. OGS 4th signing the rest have been from where he came from.  Another nutter of a foreign owner.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dynamite Warrior on January 26, 2014, 12:46:56 PM
Cardiff jed...wham to everton...o swansea....dotishness yes

You really think Jones up to that level?

lol, Crouch keeping him on the bench but he going Everton to run up minutes at Lukaku expense?

Cardiff have a long road to hoe to stay in the EPL so he have plenty incentive to knock in the goals; score and they stay up - he is the hero, score and they go down - he could get a cut-price transfer when Cardiff cutting expenses.

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Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on January 26, 2014, 06:50:43 PM
Wheys, I dreamt that I was KJ strike partner for Cardiff on his debut. D man score in d first half even though the keeper could have saved the shot and the game finish 1 nil. I missed a sitter and was subbed mid second half
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That sound like the g I know!!! haha
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mose on January 27, 2014, 12:11:09 PM
Anybody familiar with the system Cardiff is playing under OGS? Any opinions on how Kenwyne would/could fit into their style/system of play? I ask because I'm afraid that if they intend to use him primarily as a hold up the ball, win headers type of center forward it's likely to be more of the same.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on January 27, 2014, 12:23:31 PM
Look like Cardiff also getting Fabio from Man U.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25903634
Title: Tell us the truth then Kenwyne Jones?
Post by: Tallman on January 27, 2014, 01:00:58 PM
Tell us the truth then Kenwyne Jones?
By Martin Spinks (The Sentinel)


NOW that he's swapping Stoke City for Cardiff City, perhaps Kenwyne Jones will be good enough to give his version of events.

He has hinted at the fact he was hard done by over his failure to play against Liverpool just over a fortnight ago by recently tweeting that he didn't go on strike.

That appears to fly in the face of the club's account - admittedly given off the record, but endorsed publicly by Mark Hughes - that Jones made himself unavailable for the game because of grievances over his future.

Clubs are not averse to spinning stories dramatically in their favour whenever a player is about to leave in any kind of controversial circumstance.

And the Secret Footballer - the mysterious Guardian columnist - went as far as to say that he had been reliably informed that Stoke's version was poppycock.

Well, if there was a yarn being spun by the club to undermine Jones, it was an over-elaborate one.

Surely to goodness the lie would not have gone into as much detail as to say that Jones had texted Hughes the night before the game?

Or that Hughes had texted him back to insist he report for duty against Liverpool?

It is not enough for Jones to hint at a lie being told, let's have his story in full and on the record.

If there was a text, but it was misinterpreted at the time, then let's have the nuts and bolts.

Then everyone can judge for themselves and the club can answer back if an answer is required.

The problem for Jones at this end, perhaps, is that supporters could be reluctant to believe anything he says because of the reputation he leaves behind.

And that is of a player who could have/should have given so much more from his locker during his three-and-a-half years at the Britannia.

His unfulfilled potential was not all his own fault, of course, but plenty at this end will say a generous percentage was down to the player himself.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on January 27, 2014, 01:19:46 PM
Tell us the truth then Kenwyne Jones?
By Martin_Spinks (The Sentinel)


NOW that he's swapping Stoke City for Cardiff City, perhaps Kenwyne Jones will be good enough to give his version of events.

He has hinted at the fact he was hard done by over his failure to play against Liverpool just over a fortnight ago by recently tweeting that he didn't go on strike.

That appears to fly in the face of the club's account - admittedly given off the record, but endorsed publicly by Mark Hughes - that Jones made himself unavailable for the game because of grievances over his future.

Clubs are not averse to spinning stories dramatically in their favour whenever a player is about to leave in any kind of controversial circumstance.

And the Secret Footballer - the mysterious Guardian columnist - went as far as to say that he had been reliably informed that Stoke's version was poppycock.

Well, if there was a yarn being spun by the club to undermine Jones, it was an over-elaborate one.

Surely to goodness the lie would not have gone into as much detail as to say that Jones had texted Hughes the night before the game?

Or that Hughes had texted him back to insist he report for duty against Liverpool?

It is not enough for Jones to hint at a lie being told, let's have his story in full and on the record.

If there was a text, but it was misinterpreted at the time, then let's have the nuts and bolts.

Then everyone can judge for themselves and the club can answer back if an answer is required.

The problem for Jones at this end, perhaps, is that supporters could be reluctant to believe anything he says because of the reputation he leaves behind.

And that is of a player who could have/should have given so much more from his locker during his three-and-a-half years at the Britannia.

His unfulfilled potential was not all his own fault, of course, but plenty at this end will say a generous percentage was down to the player himself.

More  :bs: from the English media.

Why not put the same questions to Hughes or Stoke?  :bs: Over the 3 years it was KJ fault that he did not do more? What walk on the field? They played Crouch injured over KJ? How the hell it is his fault that he did not play more? You can only do so much. Look at Malouda with Chelsea.


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Pogba 'disgusted' by Fergie selection

Paul Pogba said he left Manchester United because he was “disgusted” Sir Alex Ferguson picked a right-back ahead of him in midfield and revealed it caused the breakdown of his relationship with the former manager.


The France international, who signed for Juventus when his contract at Old Trafford ran out in 2012, has been scouted by David Moyes this month but spoke critically of United in a Canal + documentary about him called L'Incontournable and said he had no regrets about joining the Serie A champions.

Pogba, 20, never started a first-team game in England but thought he should have figured in the December 2011 clash against Blackburn, which was on Ferguson’s 70th birthday.

The Scot had omitted Wayne Rooney, Jonny Evans and Darron Gibson after a night out and, lacking three injured central defenders, played Michael Carrick in the back four and selected a new central-midfield partnership of right-back Rafael da Silva and Park Ji-sung.

And Pogba told Canal+: “It was a very, very difficult moment for me because I was in love with Manchester and I was a Mancunian.

"It was the match against Blackburn in December 2011 at Old Trafford.

"Paul Scholes had retired, Darren Fletcher was injured. There was no one left to play in midfield. And I was training and I was beginning to get better bit by bit and the coach never stopped telling me, 'You're this far'.

"And I didn't understand. This far away from what? Playing? From having some playing time? From getting on the field? Or what?

"And there was Rafael in midfield and I was disgusted. I was disgusted and I didn't get on either."

United lost 3-2 to Blackburn with Pogba remaining an unused substitute and he said that day convinced him to leave Old Trafford.

He added: "I'd lost that thing, that relation that I had with the coach. I was really disappointed, really disappointed.

"I was pushed. My eyes were opened. I'd made this decision to sign with Juventus. There was nothing to regret."
Title: Kenwyne Jones is just the kind of player Cardiff City need to stay up
Post by: Tallman on January 27, 2014, 01:30:15 PM
Kenwyne Jones is just the kind of player Cardiff City need to stay up
By Nathan Blake (Wales Online)


As a fully paid up member of the strikers’ union I have to say Kenwyne Jones is an excellent signing for Cardiff City.

I actually think I said it earlier in the season that he was exactly the kind of player that Cardiff needed and I believe his goals could well prove the difference between the Bluebirds staying up and going down.

He is the kind of player we have been crying out for this season, a target man, capable of holding the ball up and he gives us a extra string to our bow.

I think when he is playing a lot more the game is going to be played in the oppositions’ final third rather than our final third.

He’s great at holding the ball up and providing little flick-ons.

The likes of Jordon Mutch and Craig Noone are really going to prosper with Jones in the side.

We can mix things up a bit now.

If we want to play it through midfield we can, but if we want to go long, with someone like Jones in the side, you can do that knowing he’s going to do his best to get on the end of it and do something with the ball.

I like the look of the guy. I don’t know Jones personally, but on the pitch he strikes me as a man’s man, the type of guy not afraid of very much.

It’s a good thing. He needs a fresh start and the Bluebirds need someone to put the ball in the net. It could be a match made in heaven. I most certainly hope so.

The arrival of Jones though should in no way detract from the excellent job Fraizer Campbell has been doing for the Bluebirds.

His signing for £650,000 has to be one of the best pieces of business former manager Malky Mackay did whilst he was in charge.

I dread to think what shape Cardiff would be in right now without Campbell, the guy has been immense.

For his work-rate I’d give Campbell nine out of ten and when it comes to finishing I’d give him a seven. He’s about at a 60 to 70 per cent conversion rate right now and that is pretty good going by anybody’s standards.

If Campbell can keep scoring and Jones could chip in with ten goals between now and the end of the season that would go a long way to ensuring City stay up.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: FF on January 27, 2014, 04:29:41 PM
Cardiff sign Fabio and Jones, close on Zaha
By Rex Gowar (Reuters)


LONDON, Jan 27 (Reuters) - Cardiff City have signed Manchester United's Brazilian left back Fabio and Stoke City striker Kenwyne Jones, the Premier League club's manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer said on Monday.

Cardiff also hope to recruit Manchester United winger Wilfried Zaha on loan before the end of the transfer window on Friday.

"Fabio and Kenwyne will join training today. I have just met them downstairs and that is more or less done," Solskjaer told a news conference in Manchester before the Premier League game against United on Tuesday.

Norwegian Solskjaer, who took over at Cardiff this month, said the Zaha deal was not yet finalized.

"We hope to get that done in the next 24 hours or so, so he can be ready for the weekend," the former Manchester United striker said.

Cardiff have slipped to the bottom of the table and are in danger of relegation following their promotion to the Premier League for the first time last year.

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: FF on January 27, 2014, 04:35:19 PM
Kenwyne Jones after training this afternoon

(http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/download/file.php?id=12360)
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Flex on January 28, 2014, 03:11:40 AM
Stoke City: We called the shots over Kenwyne Jones exit, insists chairman Peter Coates
By The Sentinel.


STOKE City chairman Peter Coates insists the club was not held to ransom by Kenwyne Jones over his desire to quit the Britannia Stadium.

Jones brought the issue of his future into the headlines when refusing to make himself available for the game against Liverpool on January 12, a move for which he was fined two week's wages.

Jones eventually got his way when Stoke agreed to the swap deal that will take him to Cardiff City and bring Peter Odemwingie in the opposite direction.

But Coates last night denied that the Trinidad and Tobago striker had profited from his action.

He said: "That's not the case. The fact is he could have gone at the end of the season because he is out of contract, but this deal looked like a sensible opportunity for us.

"I wouldn't like to think there was any circumstance where a player would think he can get his way by not playing for any football club."

Coates reiterated the club's intention to continue pursuing viable deals before the transfer window slams shut at 11pm on Friday.

And that could yet leave the door ajar for Sunderland's Lee Cattermole after Stoke's timely visit to Wearside tomorrow evening.

"If there are good deals to be done that will improve us," he stressed, "then we will try to do them, but they don't come easy."

Meanwhile, Coates defended Stoke's players against the widespread criticism coming their way in the wake of Sunday's tame FA Cup exit at Chelsea.

He said: "I think there has to be a reality check here. What people have to understand is that we were playing a top European side on their own ground and where they rarely lose.

"They have some terrific players, paid us respect by putting out a very strong team, yet our goalkeeper actually only had one excellent save to make.

"The only goal came from a dead-ball situation, and in fact you could argue that the award of the free-kick harsh, but it was a great free-kick."

Stoke resume their league programme with a proverbial "six-pointer" at Sunderland when they will be desperate to improve a run of just two points from the last 27 available on the road.

Coates conceded the pressure was on, but added: "That's what the players are there for and there's no reason why they can't handle it. That's football and that's sport. You have to take the pressure and if you can't you won't be successful."

Charlie Adam and Glenn Whelan are expected to return for Stephen Ireland and Wilson Palacios respectively, while Oussama Assaidi will fancy his chances of replacing Marko Arnautovic on the wing.

STOKE City's Premier League game at Aston Villa has been moved back 24 hours after the game was chosen for television coverage. They will now make the trip on Sunday, March 23 (4pm).

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on January 28, 2014, 10:52:09 AM
I hope Stoke get relegated. These people sounding real childish boy. Now they "laughing and pointing fingers at Jones."    :cursing:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: FF on January 28, 2014, 10:56:35 AM
Look a man vex already... like Jones really had the patience of Job.

John Guidetti angry at lack of action with Stoke City after loan move
UK Guardian


John Guidetti, on loan from Manchester City to Stoke City, has expressed frustration about his lack of football under Mark Hughes and said the club will "have a problem" if he is left out of their next game, at Sunderland on Wednesday.

Guidetti, desperate to resurrect his career after a freakish illness ruled him out for the best part of two years, admitted being angry he had been an unused substitute in Stoke's FA Cup defeat at Chelsea on Sunday.

The 21-year-old Swede was a 79th-minute substitute in their game at Crystal Palace the previous weekend and told the Swedish newspaper Expressen: "It's been two games and we haven't scored. What is the worst that can happen [if I came on], that I don't score, or … ? We have to see what it is like for the next game, otherwise we have a problem."

Guidetti had missed training towards the end of last week because of a stomach complaint but said he was ready to play. "You are a bit angry [when you are left out]. I feel really good and the training sessions have been as good as they could have been. I had a stomach bug, I woke up on the Thursday with something to do with my stomach. So I hadn't trained since Thursday. But still, I travelled [to Stamford Bridge].

"I know what's in his [Hughes's] mind, that it is about the stomach, that I haven't trained. I can understand that a little bit. But I got a lot of positive feedback after the last game. That felt good. I had minutes against Crystal Palace and everyone thought I did bloody well. Then you think you are going to get the chance again. If we'd been banging in the goals you maybe could understand it.

"It is a cup tie. It doesn't matter if we concede another goal. I thought it was a little … you're angry, I don't really understand it. I feel really good otherwise, training has been going really well. Then it is difficult to do anything when you don't get to play."



Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Sando on January 28, 2014, 11:39:16 AM
I dont curse, but F Mark Hughes and Stoke and their bosses. I hope they get relageted.

Mark Hughes days numbered anyway.

Why did they get rid of Tony Pulis when Hughes is no better.

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 28, 2014, 11:47:38 AM
Why did they get rid of Tony Pulis when Hughes is no better.
The results ain't no better, but they nicer on the eyes now.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on January 28, 2014, 12:45:02 PM
After today the next 5 games are Norwich, Swansea, Villa, Wigan, and Hull City.
Chance to put in some work against mediocre defenses and pick up points.

Saturday 19th April 2014 Cardiff vs Stoke  I hope KJ scores a hattrick.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on January 28, 2014, 12:48:50 PM
These guys don't know how to manage players. They apparently think that the coach/manager is always right and you're the player so you just have to chill because "we paying you". These managers forget that yuh still dealing with big men.

Fortune 500 companies does pay they employees big money and still invest loads of finances in motivating and keeping moral up with employees.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on January 28, 2014, 02:32:04 PM
Whooo....Cardiff players dumb as rocks.  :o  >:(
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on January 28, 2014, 03:06:24 PM
I hope Stoke get relegated. These people sounding real childish boy. Now they "laughing and pointing fingers at Jones."    :cursing:

You need to relax, settle down and step back from the situation sometimes dred.  Peter Coates is ah imps, no doubt, but the club has to come out and take the position they have lest any player feel he could similarly go on strike to force a move.  They have to claim that they were the ones in charge all along and that KJ didn't force anything.  Additionally, he's right that the club benefited, instead of a malcontent player buried on the bench they get a couple million pounds for him, whereas had he stayed until August they would have gotten nothing but more headache.  Nothing at all offensive in what he said.
Title: Kenwyne Jones gone from Stoke City, but not forgotten
Post by: Tallman on January 28, 2014, 04:26:52 PM
Kenwyne Jones gone from Stoke City, but not forgotten
By Pete Smith (The Sentinel)


KENWYNE Jones needed to deliver the goods to match his words after talking so candidly about Stoke City’s changing philosophies this season.

He was just establishing himself as Stoke’s number one striker for the first time since Peter Crouch joined the club when he was chosen to front a community visit to Newstead Primary School, in Blurton, back in September.

The Trinidad and Tobago captain, who had started the previous four games, played basketball with the kids ... then spoke openly about how he thought Tony Pulis’s “hit and hope sky football” had been holding him and the side back.

Jones, who rubber-stamped a move to Cardiff City today, said he felt liberated by Pulis’s departure, but could not then back that up with goals in the Premier League under Mark Hughes.

Now 29, he has not scored in his past 21 games in the top flight.

He has never scored in 31 league sub appearances and – after again falling firmly behind Crouch in the pecking order – Hughes must have wondered if he was suitable for a main task of being a game changer from the bench.

Either way, his place in the squad became untenable when he made himself unavailable to play against Liverpool earlier this month.

It gave a whole new meaning to his tag-line of being “unplayable on his day”.

“For the dumb ones out there, I was never on strike,” he later wrote on Twitter as he left the Potteries, without filling in any of the obvious blanks.

In fact his exit had seemed on the cards at the start of last season when there were rumours of £5m bids from Turkey.

And at the end of the campaign it looked like his time was up when he was dropped from the squad to take on Southampton after a changing room prank gone wrong involving a pig’s head and smashed car windscreen.

Yet the turbulence of his long farewell is at odds to his first year at the Brit after re-joining for a club record, and complicated, £8m package from Sunderland.

He had given a glimpse of his natural powers as a 20-year-old on loan from Southampton under Pulis in 2005, having spent most of youth career as a defender or defensive midfielder.

And, upon his return, he had bulked into a beast of a front man who linked up superbly with Jon Walters, Jermaine Pennant and Matthew Etherington to back flip all the way to the 2011 FA Cup final.

“We have had all these stories about us being underdogs, boring, not so good and whatever,” he told The Sentinel as he tried to pinpoint the secret of that success.

“But we have the sort of club where everyone helps out. Everyone works hard and everyone goes out there and works for each other.”

Jones was the spearhead as Stoke ventured into the Europa League at the start of his second season, but then came Crouch, taking his record-signing tag and his regular slot in the traditional number nine slot.

He had scored 10 league goals in the 13 months before Crouch’s arrival ... and would only score three in the two-and-a-half years after – all in a single fortnight while Crouch was sidelined with a facial injury in December 2012.

The two strikers will now finally have a chance to get on the pitch at the same time ... when Stoke take on Cardiff on April 19.

KENWYNE JONES'S PREMIER LEAGUE STATISTICS AT STOKE CITY
2010/11: 33 (+1 sub) apps, nine goals
2011/12: 10 (+11) apps, one goal
2012/13: 10 (+16) apps, three goals
2013/14: Four (+3) apps, no goals
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on January 28, 2014, 08:56:25 PM
I hope Stoke get relegated. These people sounding real childish boy. Now they "laughing and pointing fingers at Jones."    :cursing:

You need to relax, settle down and step back from the situation sometimes dred.  Peter Coates is ah imps, no doubt, but the club has to come out and take the position they have lest any player feel he could similarly go on strike to force a move.  They have to claim that they were the ones in charge all along and that KJ didn't force anything.  Additionally, he's right that the club benefited, instead of a malcontent player buried on the bench they get a couple million pounds for him, whereas had he stayed until August they would have gotten nothing but more headache.  Nothing at all offensive in what he said.

That's all  :bs: Bakes.

We wish to say thank you to KJ for his time here at Stoke and we wish him the best in the future.

Nah but he come like ah panty man trying to one up KJ. Let them rock so. If KJ had said that he would have been the immature, good for nothing selfish lazy island boy.

 
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on January 28, 2014, 09:01:23 PM
Kenwyne Jones gone from Stoke City, but not forgotten
By Pete Smith (The Sentinel)


KENWYNE Jones needed to deliver the goods to match his words after talking so candidly about Stoke City’s changing philosophies this season.

He was just establishing himself as Stoke’s number one striker for the first time since Peter Crouch joined the club when he was chosen to front a community visit to Newstead Primary School, in Blurton, back in September.

The Trinidad and Tobago captain, who had started the previous four games, played basketball with the kids ... then spoke openly about how he thought Tony Pulis’s “hit and hope sky football” had been holding him and the side back.

Jones, who rubber-stamped a move to Cardiff City today, said he felt liberated by Pulis’s departure, but could not then back that up with goals in the Premier League under Mark Hughes.

Now 29, he has not scored in his past 21 games in the top flight.

He has never scored in 31 league sub appearances and – after again falling firmly behind Crouch in the pecking order – Hughes must have wondered if he was suitable for a main task of being a game changer from the bench.

Either way, his place in the squad became untenable when he made himself unavailable to play against Liverpool earlier this month.

It gave a whole new meaning to his tag-line of being “unplayable on his day”.

“For the dumb ones out there, I was never on strike,” he later wrote on Twitter as he left the Potteries, without filling in any of the obvious blanks.

In fact his exit had seemed on the cards at the start of last season when there were rumours of £5m bids from Turkey.

And at the end of the campaign it looked like his time was up when he was dropped from the squad to take on Southampton after a changing room prank gone wrong involving a pig’s head and smashed car windscreen.

Yet the turbulence of his long farewell is at odds to his first year at the Brit after re-joining for a club record, and complicated, £8m package from Sunderland.

He had given a glimpse of his natural powers as a 20-year-old on loan from Southampton under Pulis in 2005, having spent most of youth career as a defender or defensive midfielder.

And, upon his return, he had bulked into a beast of a front man who linked up superbly with Jon Walters, Jermaine Pennant and Matthew Etherington to back flip all the way to the 2011 FA Cup final.

“We have had all these stories about us being underdogs, boring, not so good and whatever,” he told The Sentinel as he tried to pinpoint the secret of that success.

“But we have the sort of club where everyone helps out. Everyone works hard and everyone goes out there and works for each other.”

Jones was the spearhead as Stoke ventured into the Europa League at the start of his second season, but then came Crouch, taking his record-signing tag and his regular slot in the traditional number nine slot.

He had scored 10 league goals in the 13 months before Crouch’s arrival ... and would only score three in the two-and-a-half years after – all in a single fortnight while Crouch was sidelined with a facial injury in December 2012.

The two strikers will now finally have a chance to get on the pitch at the same time ... when Stoke take on Cardiff on April 19.

KENWYNE JONES'S PREMIER LEAGUE STATISTICS AT STOKE CITY
2010/11: 33 (+1 sub) apps, nine goals
2011/12: 10 (+11) apps, one goal
2012/13: 10 (+16) apps, three goals
2013/14: Four (+3) apps, no goals

How much horse Manure is this article.  Where is Crouch stats for comparison.

Peter Crouch   16 (games started) 3 (sub) 4 (goals)  4 (assists). 
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: davidephraim on January 29, 2014, 04:45:08 AM
Glad to see KJ  out of there. Like the Swede said, What is the worst that will happen if yuh put other players in? That you lose.. cause they are losing anyway. KJ may not be the solution in a mark hughes regime but he for dam sure aint the problem either.

If so, then why with their beloved Crouch, there is no Europa success or FA success this time around and mind you, the only reason they had success in dem leagues is because KJ was marginalized to those leagues.

 Pennant, Etherington, KJ & Walters is who had dem clickin but dey mess with that core-four and all fall down.  Crouch lazier than KJ and dey have KJ in de lazy book!

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: trini_stallion on January 29, 2014, 10:35:37 AM
http://eplindex.com/48575/kenwyne-jones-cardiff-comparing-current-forwards.html


Interesting read on we boi KJ...check it out









Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 29, 2014, 11:53:45 AM
http://eplindex.com/48575/kenwyne-jones-cardiff-comparing-current-forwards.html


Interesting read on we boi KJ...check it out

His stats are pretty terrible. What's missing is that all of Stoke's strikers' stats are terrible. His stats were only slightly worse than Crouch and both of them were miles ahead of Walters.

I'm sure his stats weren't stellar at Sunderland either. So dem Stoke years really send them down the tubes.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on January 29, 2014, 12:41:27 PM
Somebody say KJ didn't score a PL goal since 2012.
He need to change that fast.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tallman on January 29, 2014, 01:20:33 PM
Somebody say KJ didn't score a PL goal since 2012.
He need to change that fast.

Yep, last EPL goal was against Southampton on December 29th 2012.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: g on January 29, 2014, 06:17:28 PM
No Cardiff City forever thread?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: lefty on January 29, 2014, 06:24:28 PM
No Cardiff City forever thread?

alyuh fed up do dat we could use d KJ thread, appropriate change to go with d end of red and white stripes :P
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tallman on January 30, 2014, 04:28:56 PM
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Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: soccerman on January 30, 2014, 10:00:31 PM
Hope he's in the line-up for the Stoke game on Saturday!
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: chelsealife on January 30, 2014, 10:14:57 PM
Hope he's in the line-up for the Stoke game on Saturday!
Wah??? Its Cardiff vs Norwich this weekend. Stoke playing Man U
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: soccerman on January 31, 2014, 11:19:21 AM
Hope he's in the line-up for the Stoke game on Saturday!
Wah??? Its Cardiff vs Norwich this weekend. Stoke playing Man U
Thanks for pointing that out...I coulda swear I read Stoke Cardiff on Sat. Like I ah getting old boy
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: FireBrand on January 31, 2014, 12:47:11 PM
Watch Kenwyne light up de EPL now!   The blight of the red and white stripes and the 3 S's (Southampton, Sunderland and Stoke) is over. ;D
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 31, 2014, 01:43:50 PM
Watch Kenwyne light up de EPL now!   The blight of the red and white stripes and the 3 S's (Southampton, Sunderland and Stoke) is over. ;D
Is only Stoke was blight really. He had some decent years at Southampton and Sunderland. All 3 end with some kinda coach fall out though. So it's likely that some of that is on him.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on February 01, 2014, 10:42:54 AM
Haul alyuh stinkin  :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on February 01, 2014, 10:43:29 AM
 :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: trini_stallion on February 01, 2014, 10:45:23 AM
Mih boiii score ah on his debut!
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: D.H.W on February 01, 2014, 10:56:51 AM
Nice
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: FireBrand on February 01, 2014, 11:00:39 AM
Debut goal for Cardiff and best defender on de pitch today ;D  Well done KJ! Keep it up.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: weary1969 on February 01, 2014, 12:46:22 PM
Debut goal for Cardiff and best defender on de pitch today ;D  Well done KJ! Keep it up.

He was playin in his true position in DEFENCE.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: palos on February 01, 2014, 01:10:58 PM
Congrats KJ.  Goal and yeoman service in defence. 

KJ has a history of impressive starts with his new clubs and then tapering off (for whatever reason).

I think he's a more mature and intelligent footballer and the best of KJ will hopefully be consistently displayed at this level

A game winning goal for a team desperate for points.  Can't get better than that
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: sjahrain on February 01, 2014, 01:31:50 PM
Warrior sprit is bachannal time again :devil:
Go Cappo
Rastafari
Title: Cardiff City vs Norwich City 2-1 all goals and highlights epl 1/2/14 HD: Kenwyne
Post by: Socapro on February 01, 2014, 06:31:56 PM
Cardiff City vs Norwich City 2-1 all goals and highlights epl 1/2/14 HD: Kenwyne scores
http://www.youtube.com/v/7z0BwphlFhM
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: 100% Barataria on February 02, 2014, 06:33:03 AM
 :beermug: 
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: royal on February 02, 2014, 07:18:24 AM
from the bbc

Jones, who joined Cardiff from Stoke in a swap deal with Peter Odemwingie, said he hopes the result can mark a turning point in his new team's season.

"I think a win breeds confidence in the squad," he said. "The team was a bit down but hopefully today is the start of a new era."
Title: Jones criticised by former team-mate
Post by: Tallman on February 02, 2014, 09:54:19 AM
Jones criticised by former team-mate
eatsleepsport.com


Stoke goalkeeper Asmir Begovic believes that former team mate Kenwyne Jones under-performs when he settles at a club.

Jones was on target on his Cardiff debut against Norwich on Saturday, netting the second goal as the Bluebirds fought from behind to take all three points in a 2-1 win.

The former Stoke man has found goals hard to come by recently and scored only three times last season and just once in the campaign before that.

Begovic believes that although the Trinidad & Tobago international does boast some impressive qualities, he often loses focus once the honeymoon period of joining a new club wears off.

Begovic said: "If he is motivated enough and he is up for the game, he has such great skill with both feet and can jump as high as anyone I have ever seen.

"The question of why he doesn't do it week in, week out is maybe one to ask Kenwyne. It's a shame, we loved him when we had him and when he first came to Stoke he was up for it and a fantastic player for us, but things went a little bit sour after that.

"Maybe when it's new, exciting and he is playing for his reputation within a new club he gets a bit comfortable. I guess it's an individual thing."
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Sam on February 02, 2014, 06:21:25 PM
I love meh boy Jones eh, but I have to agree 100% with Asmir Begovic.

I hope Jones can raise the bar.

The T&T laid back mentality does kill me.... we don't know when to use it.

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Preacher on February 02, 2014, 07:53:30 PM
I love meh boy Jones eh, but I have to agree 100% with Asmir Begovic.

I hope Jones can raise the bar.

The T&T laid back mentality does kill me.... we don't know when to use it.



It's hard for me to say for sure if it's a laid back mentality.  I'm not saying that some people don't slack but I can't believe at his level he'll be slacking.   I does take these things with a grain of salt because for some people their perception of you expects you to do more than anyone else is doing.   If you aren't doing ten times better than everybody else somehow you are a slacker. 
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on February 03, 2014, 09:40:38 AM
When a player just moves to a club, at any level, sure he trying to impress, sure he wukkin he tail off. When he has proven himself, yet still working, still producing, and although no position can be settled, when the then club/coach bring in a partner/inter club competitor/co worker and constantly rewards that new individual , with starting selections, regardless of equal results ..How long should any player stay motivated..what is the normal period for a person for the caribbean or someone from Wales.
Bergovic and they 'laid back' bs wrong. If he not producing the goods, talk to him, make him pull up he socks or lay him off, but yuh doh lay man off for looking like he lazier than everybody else, when he producing as much or more than everybody else....unless yuh trying to cut of yuh nose to spite yuh face, an thinking, how nice yuh woulda look with a cuter nose...meanwhile yuh bleeding to death and can't breathe.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on February 03, 2014, 10:35:37 AM
When a player just moves to a club, at any level, sure he trying to impress, sure he wukkin he tail off. When he has proven himself, yet still working, still producing, and although no position can be settled, when the then club/coach bring in a partner/inter club competitor/co worker and constantly rewards that new individual , with starting selections, regardless of equal results ..How long should any player stay motivated..what is the normal period for a person for the caribbean or someone from Wales.
Bergovic and they 'laid back' bs wrong. If he not producing the goods, talk to him, make him pull up he socks or lay him off, but yuh doh lay man off for looking like he lazier than everybody else, when he producing as much or more than everybody else....unless yuh trying to cut of yuh nose to spite yuh face, an thinking, how nice yuh woulda look with a cuter nose...meanwhile yuh bleeding to death and can't breathe.

Can a player appear to play lazy when he really isn't?  I would like these coaches and players to specify what gives them that impression.
We don't see the training sessions where the players have to do stamina work, but KJ wouldn't be playing if he wasn't in top condition.
I feel it's just KJ's way of drifting around the pitch and not running hard every time that they talkin about.
Personally I feel he can improve on his output when the other team has the ball, as well as look to outpace defenders with an off-the-ball run so he can collect a through ball.  He hardly tries those runs, and seems to be waiting for a cross.  I saw him do it in this last game and all, when it seemed like Bellamy wanted to hit a through ball.

Look at Lukaku, a similarly big man who hustles defenders into giving up the ball and makes those pacy forward runs.

KJ doesn't put serious pressure when the other team is in possession.  However I feel like he got that habit since managers want to play him as a lone striker.  He can't put pressure like that every time when he has to battle for the long balls all by himself.
So he get so accustomed to trying to conserve energy that he plays like that even when he has help, or has a good chance of catching defenders in possession.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Banter Banton on February 03, 2014, 10:47:56 AM
Begovic Spot On

I hope for Jones, and T&T sake he can maintain a level of professionalism and ambition and really push on from here..this is his chance in the Prem I reckon..If he can have 4 big years for both club and country we will all be booking our flights to Russia in 4 years and Cardiff may be in the top half of the EPL

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: FF on February 03, 2014, 11:03:29 AM
I agree with all what peong say. For instance de through ball dat Zaha feed Bellamy to score, KJ was just kinda standing up, when in my mind he could have been running in to follow up. That could have easily been a rebound to tuck in.

But that lone striker role is a hard row to hoe... so I understand de conservation of energy angle.

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on February 03, 2014, 11:10:42 AM
When a player just moves to a club, at any level, sure he trying to impress, sure he wukkin he tail off. When he has proven himself, yet still working, still producing, and although no position can be settled, when the then club/coach bring in a partner/inter club competitor/co worker and constantly rewards that new individual , with starting selections, regardless of equal results ..How long should any player stay motivated..what is the normal period for a person for the caribbean or someone from Wales.
Bergovic and they 'laid back' bs wrong. If he not producing the goods, talk to him, make him pull up he socks or lay him off, but yuh doh lay man off for looking like he lazier than everybody else, when he producing as much or more than everybody else....unless yuh trying to cut of yuh nose to spite yuh face, an thinking, how nice yuh woulda look with a cuter nose...meanwhile yuh bleeding to death and can't breathe.

Can a player appear to play lazy when he really isn't?  I would like these coaches and players to specify what gives them that impression.
We don't see the training sessions where the players have to do stamina work, but KJ wouldn't be playing if he wasn't in top condition.I feel it's just KJ's way of drifting around the pitch and not running hard every time that they talkin about.
Personally I feel he can improve on his output when the other team has the ball, as well as look to outpace defenders with an off-the-ball run so he can collect a through ball.  He hardly tries those runs, and seems to be waiting for a cross.  I saw him do it in this last game and all, when it seemed like Bellamy wanted to hit a through ball.

Look at Lukaku, a similarly big man who hustles defenders into giving up the ball and makes those pacy forward runs.

KJ doesn't put serious pressure when the other team is in possession.  However I feel like he got that habit since managers want to play him as a lone striker.  He can't put pressure like that every time when he has to battle for the long balls all by himself.
So he get so accustomed to trying to conserve energy that he plays like that even when he has help, or has a good chance of catching defenders in possession.
Agree with most what you said, I only saw the goal hilights of the last game, there I saw, the 1st goal occured because KJ hustled the play and the ball fell to Zaha who then setup Bellamy, or wasn't that KJ ? As a coach, i tell my forwards, not to chase down everything, no team scores on every possession. I don't want them fatigued when a more concrete opportunity presents itself...choose your run when it will be effective.
Yet,  I think every team needs a guy (or 2) who may not have the same skill set(setup or goal scoring), and will do the hustle-running as required. I tend to plan my strategy to suit the players I have and the team we are facing,(including selection),  not force a strategy on the players, which they may or may not be capable of executing, all determined in practice..It is not now, that KJ doesn't play like a Walters. When selected by Sol, I think if he wanted that kinda workhorse, he would have gone for a Walters, not a KJ..JMO
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: FF on February 03, 2014, 11:13:02 AM
Agree with most what you said, I only saw the goal hilights of the last game, there I saw, the 1st goal occured because KJ hustled the play and the ball fell to Zaha who then setup Bellamy, or wasn't that KJ ?

Yeah it was him... but after that he ent follow up the play... I just saying, that is an example where fans might complain, because we fickle like dat nah
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on February 03, 2014, 11:18:06 AM
When a player just moves to a club, at any level, sure he trying to impress, sure he wukkin he tail off. When he has proven himself, yet still working, still producing, and although no position can be settled, when the then club/coach bring in a partner/inter club competitor/co worker and constantly rewards that new individual , with starting selections, regardless of equal results ..How long should any player stay motivated..what is the normal period for a person for the caribbean or someone from Wales.
Bergovic and they 'laid back' bs wrong. If he not producing the goods, talk to him, make him pull up he socks or lay him off, but yuh doh lay man off for looking like he lazier than everybody else, when he producing as much or more than everybody else....unless yuh trying to cut of yuh nose to spite yuh face, an thinking, how nice yuh woulda look with a cuter nose...meanwhile yuh bleeding to death and can't breathe.

Can a player appear to play lazy when he really isn't?  I would like these coaches and players to specify what gives them that impression.
We don't see the training sessions where the players have to do stamina work, but KJ wouldn't be playing if he wasn't in top condition.
I feel it's just KJ's way of drifting around the pitch and not running hard every time that they talkin about.
Personally I feel he can improve on his output when the other team has the ball, as well as look to outpace defenders with an off-the-ball run so he can collect a through ball.  He hardly tries those runs, and seems to be waiting for a cross.  I saw him do it in this last game and all, when it seemed like Bellamy wanted to hit a through ball.

Look at Lukaku, a similarly big man who hustles defenders into giving up the ball and makes those pacy forward runs.

KJ doesn't put serious pressure when the other team is in possession.  However I feel like he got that habit since managers want to play him as a lone striker.  He can't put pressure like that every time when he has to battle for the long balls all by himself.
So he get so accustomed to trying to conserve energy that he plays like that even when he has help, or has a good chance of catching defenders in possession.
I agree in general but that first Cardiff goal start with KJ pressuring a defender into a bad pass. He does that kinda thing more than he used to, but he still doh do it very much.

I does wonder if that knee injury affect his comfort with running in some way.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on February 03, 2014, 11:32:25 AM
Agree with most what you said, I only saw the goal hilights of the last game, there I saw, the 1st goal occured because KJ hustled the play and the ball fell to Zaha who then setup Bellamy, or wasn't that KJ ? As a coach, i tell my forwards, not to chase down everything, no team scores on every possession. I don't want them fatigued when a more concrete opportunity presents itself...choose your run when it will be effective.
Yet,  I think every team needs a guy (or 2) who may not have the same skill set(setup or goal scoring), and will do the hustle-running as required. I tend to plan my strategy to suit the players I have and the team we are facing,(including selection),  not force a strategy on the players, which they may or may not be capable of executing, all determined in practice..It is not now, that KJ doesn't play like a Walters. When selected by Sol, I think if he wanted that kinda workhorse, he would have gone for a Walters, not a KJ..JMO

In that game KJ was closing down defenders trying to knock the ball around on many occasions.  On the play where the goal was scored, KJ first lost the ball then applied pressure by chasing the defenders around and in the end forcing one of them into making the pass that landed at Zaha's feet.  From where KJ was when the pass was made he wasn't in no position to race to follow up for a rebound unless the ball take a magic bounce and go to the other side of the box where KJ could have had good position to tuck it back home.  The probability of that type of rebound from that setup was extremely unlikely though.  Zaha was in optimal position to follow Bellamy after the pass to knock a rebound back home.  Yet he didn't follow him either, so why men have a different standard they expect or seem to want from KJ is beyond me.  All we can do is speculate and none of us know what instructions he gets from the coaches.  Playing hoofball and being the target man is not at all an easy task.  Many times KJ is getting battered throughout the game as well as a key figure in set piece defense, yet he somehow supposed to have the energy to constantly chase down defenders, make all the incisive runs and score every goal even when its only half chances so that some here could be happy.  Oh and I agree with your previous post regarding similar or worse results while sticking with his competition.  I doh know how or why people cah recognize that Stoke has looked worse since Crouch was anointed.  Then again I was scolded here for making the argument that "Crouchie" as his friends here call him isn't better than KJ and the stats and club history proves it.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on February 03, 2014, 12:13:22 PM
I agree in general but that first Cardiff goal start with KJ pressuring a defender into a bad pass. He does that kinda thing more than he used to, but he still doh do it very much.

I does wonder if that knee injury affect his comfort with running in some way.

That time he felt bad about giving away the ball needlessly. That does energize yuh.  But yes on occasion he does pressure effectively, and he should be picking his moments, but to me he misses some opportunities to hassle defenders in a good spot.  Maybe he tired on those occasions. Plus because he has played the lone striker so many times it's more noticeable.
I bet if he had a strike partner to share that workload it wouldn't be noticeable.
Like times when he had Bent, Fuller and Cisse, I never noticed it.

Yes FF on the Bellamy goal KJ gave up on the play as soon as Zaha passed to Bellamy.  He should be racing in looking for a loose ball.

Mad Scorpion, when the defense is looking the other way and drawn toward the ball, a striker could just sneak in behind and surprise them.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on February 03, 2014, 12:15:54 PM
Agree with most what you said, I only saw the goal hilights of the last game, there I saw, the 1st goal occured because KJ hustled the play and the ball fell to Zaha who then setup Bellamy, or wasn't that KJ ?

Yeah it was him... but after that he ent follow up the play... I just saying, that is an example where fans might complain, because we fickle like dat nah
So he hustle on the equalizer, and score the WINNER..ah doh think fans will be upset, even if he was a no show for 70 minutes...after all, when yuh bring on a sub for a half, and he show 10 times, miss 8, and score 2, and the team WIN...u think fans or coach might vex with he for the 8 he miss ? If they lose, they still don't even have grounds...but if somebody doh like the man from the start, and only watching he..sure they will see every instance he mess up, and won't see no one else. If we focus only on KJ (everybody here main focus), and Cardiff on defence 50 percent, already we not seeing KJ 50 % of the time, and notice everybody else defending..and the other 50 %if we manage to see him, we seeing every ball lost...irregardless, everybody must be losing the ball, why the Team on defence..is how I used to watch Crouch too  ;D
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on February 03, 2014, 12:19:06 PM
I agree in general but that first Cardiff goal start with KJ pressuring a defender into a bad pass. He does that kinda thing more than he used to, but he still doh do it very much.

I does wonder if that knee injury affect his comfort with running in some way.

That time he felt bad about giving away the ball needlessly. That does energize yuh.  But yes on occasion he does pressure effectively, and he should be picking his moments, but to me he misses some opportunities to hassle defenders in a good spot.  Maybe he tired on those occasions. Plus because he has played the lone striker so many times it's more noticeable.
I bet if he had a strike partner to share that workload it wouldn't be noticeable.
Like times when he had Bent, Fuller and Cisse, I never noticed it.

Yes FF on the Bellamy goal KJ gave up on the play as soon as Zaha passed to Bellamy.  He should be racing in looking for a loose ball.

How many teams has KJ played with that pressure consistently like that though. If he look around and see help then yes he pressures, but he have to pick his time.  It makes no sense he chase the ball by himself aimlessly he will look stupid like this vvv


http://www.youtube.com/v/77W8865KAcA

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mose on February 03, 2014, 01:06:49 PM
All this talk about hustling and pressuring defenders and so on. If I remember correctly, that is how KJ played when he first went and was doing well at Sunderland. Now I see him standing/walking around hands on hips and the goals seem to have dried up. Couple of years back he scored something like 4 goals in 5 games at the end of the season for Stoke. I saw one of those last games, if not the last of the season, and that's the kind of hustle he was displaying. Now, I'm not saying he has to run around like a headless chicken, but I definitely feel like he can put more effort into the game.

To put things another way, the KJ that I enjoyed watching at Sunderland and playing in the 2006 WCQ for T&T is not the same player that I have seen recently playing for Stoke.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on February 03, 2014, 01:19:24 PM
All this talk about hustling and pressuring defenders and so on. If I remember correctly, that is how KJ played when he first went and was doing well at Sunderland. Now I see him standing/walking around hands on hips and the goals seem to have dried up. Couple of years back he scored something like 4 goals in 5 games at the end of the season for Stoke. I saw one of those last games, if not the last of the season, and that's the kind of hustle he was displaying. Now, I'm not saying he has to run around like a headless chicken, but I definitely feel like he can put more effort into the game.

To put things another way, the KJ that I enjoyed watching at Sunderland and playing in the 2006 WCQ for T&T is not the same player that I have seen recently playing for Stoke.
Like I say, I wonder about his knee.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on February 03, 2014, 01:31:58 PM
Like I say, I wonder about his knee.

The man still doing handsprings and backflips like normal.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on February 03, 2014, 01:47:02 PM
All this talk about hustling and pressuring defenders and so on. If I remember correctly, that is how KJ played when he first went and was doing well at Sunderland. Now I see him standing/walking around hands on hips and the goals seem to have dried up. Couple of years back he scored something like 4 goals in 5 games at the end of the season for Stoke. I saw one of those last games, if not the last of the season, and that's the kind of hustle he was displaying. Now, I'm not saying he has to run around like a headless chicken, but I definitely feel like he can put more effort into the game.

To put things another way, the KJ that I enjoyed watching at Sunderland and playing in the 2006 WCQ for T&T is not the same player that I have seen recently playing for Stoke.

Guys, KJ just can't go off on his own and pressure the ball. Not saying that he ain't lazy, but at the same time we have to take into consideration team tactics.
Title: Jones' debut delight
Post by: Tallman on February 03, 2014, 01:54:42 PM
Jones' debut delight
cardiffcity.co.uk


Debutant striker Kenwyne Jones was delighted to make an instant impact for the Bluebirds after scoring the winning goal in a vital 2-1 win over Norwich.

Making his debut following his January move from Stoke City last week, Jones quickly established a relationship with Cardiff City fans by guiding home his 51st minute strike, before showing his delight with an incredibly acrobatic celebration.

Speaking following a Cardiff City Stadium inaugeration to remember, Jones said: "I'm very happy. First of all happy for the team to get three points, we had to dig deep after Norwich scored so early.

"The team was naturally a bit down after they scored, but we showed great character and belief to come out in the second half and do the business. It was important for us to come out here and lift the crowd and get the three points to start lifting us up the table.

"I'm happy for myself personally for scoring, first of all to be playing football again and again I can't really explain how happy I am. I've made a bit of a reputation to score on my debut and I'm pleased to have continued that."

The Bluebirds impressively turned around a one goal deficit with two quickfire goals early in the second half, with 'keeper David Marshall also helping to claim all three points with a string of match winning saves as the Canaries pushed for parity.

It was a performance not lost on Jones, who has quickly adjusted to life in South Wales and his new Cardiff City teammates.

"Marshall has been brilliant, not just today but all season," said Jones. "I'm sure he'll continue to go from strength to strength.

"Craig Noone is an exciting player and Zaha has made a name for himself. They're here to express their abilities - they certainly did today and hopefully they can continue to do that and of course provide that service to the frontmen."

As for Jones, a debut goal and first win as a Cardiff City player proved to be the icing on the cake for a man now looking to cement his place in the starting-11 and play regular Premier League football once again.

"It was a pretty easy decision for me to come here," said the Trinidad & Tobago frontman. "You want to play football. There's not much fun about sitting on the bench, you want to be back out there playing and I was delighted to make my debut today.

"Today was a beautiful day. We know there's a long way to go yet and there's plenty of points to still pick up. Now we have to start focusing on the next game because that's all important."
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on February 03, 2014, 02:01:09 PM
Like I say, I wonder about his knee.

The man still doing handsprings and backflips like normal.
Lol, true. I've just read a lot about how that kinda injury affects running speed, etc. I ain't take acrobatics into account.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on February 03, 2014, 02:04:09 PM
All this talk about hustling and pressuring defenders and so on. If I remember correctly, that is how KJ played when he first went and was doing well at Sunderland. Now I see him standing/walking around hands on hips and the goals seem to have dried up. Couple of years back he scored something like 4 goals in 5 games at the end of the season for Stoke. I saw one of those last games, if not the last of the season, and that's the kind of hustle he was displaying. Now, I'm not saying he has to run around like a headless chicken, but I definitely feel like he can put more effort into the game.

To put things another way, the KJ that I enjoyed watching at Sunderland and playing in the 2006 WCQ for T&T is not the same player that I have seen recently playing for Stoke.
Like I say, I wonder about his knee.
1. even at his best, the guy was not prolific. His most amount of goals in the Prem. was 10...with 25 starts, 4 subs, and a out & out target man, 5 years ago..now he is 5, 3 with 1 goal..and pass thru not just near career ending injury, but personal life changing events, and over the last couple years, what he percieves a lot of Diss.. sure every player in the world could possibly play better and do more..but every player is no Messi or Pele or the same.. this is Kenwyne Jones..and if he can give more and be better and the fans, coach and team can drive him to such, sure Hallelijuah..but if through all his issues, he mentally, and phsically up to that...i taking that to..cause I glad he still getting pick to show that we still on the map..I think him, Yorke, Stern as the few Nationals who play in Premiership, on the long term, leave a thought of TT in the game, more than our team going to WC..which gradually boiling down to just a statistic - to the ppl who willing to give us any kinda money for football.. They would quicker give say a Winchester a trial, because of the memory of those guys, rather than TT going to the WC..So play KJ play is what I saying
Title: Cardiff matchwinner Jones takes swipe at Stoke
Post by: Tallman on February 03, 2014, 02:33:33 PM
Cardiff matchwinner Jones takes swipe at Stoke
tribalfootball.com


Kenwyne Jones was delighted to prove Cardiff City's matchwinner on debut against Norwich City.

Jones fired a parting shot at former club Stoke City for their treatment of him before his departure.

He said: “What I can say is that no one from the club can ever say I was a miscreant or disrespectful or even on strike, as they would like to put it.

“The main reason for it was for my voice to be heard because they didn’t want to pay attention to me. That is all I needed to do.

“I did not want to disrupt the squad or disrespect the manager or anything like that. Clubs have to come out and say what they have to keep fans on their side so I have no problem with that.

“My thing is I am happy but in the end I got heard and I am here now.”
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on February 03, 2014, 02:37:22 PM
Cardiff matchwinner Jones takes swipe at Stoke
tribalfootball.com


Kenwyne Jones was delighted to prove Cardiff City's matchwinner on debut against Norwich City.

Jones fired a parting shot at former club Stoke City for their treatment of him before his departure.

He said: “What I can say is that no one from the club can ever say I was a miscreant or disrespectful or even on strike, as they would like to put it.

“The main reason for it was for my voice to be heard because they didn’t want to pay attention to me. That is all I needed to do.

“I did not want to disrupt the squad or disrespect the manager or anything like that. Clubs have to come out and say what they have to keep fans on their side so I have no problem with that.

“My thing is I am happy but in the end I got heard and I am here now.”
on the headline ah say "Oh Nooo"...after reading ...   :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mose on February 03, 2014, 03:43:43 PM
All this talk about hustling and pressuring defenders and so on. If I remember correctly, that is how KJ played when he first went and was doing well at Sunderland. Now I see him standing/walking around hands on hips and the goals seem to have dried up. Couple of years back he scored something like 4 goals in 5 games at the end of the season for Stoke. I saw one of those last games, if not the last of the season, and that's the kind of hustle he was displaying. Now, I'm not saying he has to run around like a headless chicken, but I definitely feel like he can put more effort into the game.

To put things another way, the KJ that I enjoyed watching at Sunderland and playing in the 2006 WCQ for T&T is not the same player that I have seen recently playing for Stoke.

Guys, KJ just can't go off on his own and pressure the ball. Not saying that he ain't lazy, but at the same time we have to take into consideration team tactics.

Hence the "headless chicken" comment.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tallman on February 05, 2014, 11:38:24 AM
Kenwyne Jones’ performance named as one of the best January transfer player debuts
http://www.givemesport.com/427433-the-best-january-transfer-player-debuts
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on February 06, 2014, 08:03:00 AM
Swansea are ripe for the picking after sacking their manager.
Title: Hughes moving on from Jones row
Post by: Tallman on February 06, 2014, 11:02:23 AM
Hughes moving on from Jones row
sport.co.uk


Stoke manager Mark Hughes claims his squad has been strengthened since Kenwyne Jones left and wants to draw a line under the striker's controversial departure.

Jones joined Cardiff in a swap deal involving Peter Odemwingie last week after a troubled final month at the Britannia Stadium.

The Trinidad and Tobago international was fined two weeks' wages by Stoke after making himself unavailable for the Barclays Premier League game against Liverpool on January 12.

Jones, who had fallen down the Potters pecking order, has insisted he was not on strike or trying to cause trouble, but making a stand to force a decision about his future.

Hughes said: "Kenwyne was frustrated because he wasn't playing. I said at the time I didn't think it was the correct way to go about it.

"He will say he was justified because he got a move and a longer contract.

"He has moved on, we have moved on. I still felt he had a role here, but that wasn't to be. We made the move that was correct for Stoke City.

"Kenwyne is no longer a Stoke player, so I don't particularly need to speak about him.

"We wish him well but we'll try to get on with what we're trying to do.

"When you enter a (transfer) window, the key is at the end of it you want to be better than you were when you entered it.

"I think we are in better shape now than we were at the beginning."

Hughes, at a press conference to preview Saturday's game at Southampton, was responding to comments from Jones suggesting he did not regret his actions.

"The main reason was for my voice to be heard because they didn't want to pay attention to me," 29-year-old Jones, who struck on debut for Cardiff last weekend, was quoted as saying. "That's all I needed.

"I didn't want to disrupt the squad, disrespect the manager or anything."

Hughes feels his team have benefited from the part-exchange with Cardiff, with Odemwingie showing versatility by making his debut in a wide role in last weekend's defeat of Manchester United.

Odemwingie himself has had difficulties in the past, most notably his spectacular fall-out with West Brom last season.

But after the Nigerian failed to establish himself at Cardiff, Hughes is confident he can be a real asset for the Potters.

He said: "We are really pleased Peter is with us. He is a good guy and has integrated into the group quickly.

"He has got pace, intelligence and can take care of the football.

"He gives us something we didn't have and I think he is going to have a real effect on us."

Defender Marc Wilson could be doubtful for the game at Southampton after a chest infection while forwards Marko Arnautovic and Jonathan Walters are hoping to overcome knocks.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: de_redman on February 06, 2014, 11:23:23 AM
"He has got pace, intelligence and can take care of the football.

"He gives us something we didn't have and I think he is going to have a real effect on us."


 :o

Dat sounding like a dig at our boy!
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Madd Ras#13 on February 06, 2014, 08:38:44 PM
more like ah dig at dah whole stoke team lol
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Sam on February 07, 2014, 05:51:01 AM
"He has got pace, intelligence and can take care of the football.

"He gives us something we didn't have and I think he is going to have a real effect on us."


 :o

Dat sounding like a dig at our boy!

That was a technical f00ck up.

Title: Cardiff City striker, Kenwyne Jones, sets sights on maximum points vs Swansea
Post by: Tallman on February 07, 2014, 02:44:47 PM
Cardiff City striker, Kenwyne Jones, sets sights on maximum points vs Swansea
cardiff.co.uk


Last Saturday’s match winner Kenwyne Jones insists focus remains on the task of staying in the Barclays Premier League ahead of Saturday’s South Wales derby against Swansea City.

The January signing from Stoke City made an instant impact for the Bluebirds on his debut last weekend, netting the all important winner against Norwich City to grab a debut goal and three precious Premier League points.

And additional points are the main aim this weekend according to Jones, who is looking forward to a first taste of the local rivalry between both sides involved in the South Wales derby at Liberty Stadium on Saturday.

“Getting the bragging rights over your opponents is a major thing of course. But there’s the added importance on this one - we need the three points to get out of the relegation group,” said Jones, speaking in his pre-match press conference at Cardiff City Stadium.

“For myself and a lot of experienced players in the squad we won’t get overawed by it. The fans can go wild but as a player and as a team we have to focus on playing the game and getting the points because we desperately need them.

“Both teams have their separate situations and in our case I think we need the points more than them. We have to go into the game trying to get those points and to play our own game.”

Three points against Norwich City last weekend were timely to see the Bluebirds close the gap on the teams above them, a victory Jones believes has brought a lift in morale amongst the City squad.

“I think spirits have certainly been lifted after our win last week,” said Kenwyne. “Hopefully we can go from strength to strength this weekend.

“In the position we’re in, we have to believe in our ability and our team. But the only way you pull yourself out of a situation like this is by picking up points and winning games of course.

“We’ve got a decent run coming up this month that gives us a chance to do that, it started last weekend and in many ways Saturday is another opportunity for us to pick up points.”
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: FF on February 08, 2014, 05:36:54 AM
Jones wants to punish Swansea
Trinidad Express


Cardiff City and Trinidad and Tobago striker Kenwyne Jones is looking to inflict further misery on Swansea City when the Welsh rivals clash in the Premier League today.
Swansea sacked manager Michael Laudrup this week after a poor run of form that has left them two points above the drop zone, having won one of their last ten league matches.
Cardiff are no strangers to drama themselves this season, with a very public fallout between club owner Vincent Tan and former manager Malky Mackay ending with the Scot being sacked in late December.
They remain in the relegation zone in 19th place, seven places and three points behind their south Wales rivals, and Jones said his side was keen to take advantage of Swansea’s woes and claim three points.
“They are not necessarily vulnerable, but at times you have to be aware that they could be a wounded animal,” said Jones, who joined Cardiff from Stoke City last month and scored on debut in the 2-1 win over Norwich at the weekend.
“They are probably in disarray but come 5.30 p.m. tomorrow we will see what happens,” he told reporters.
“We are trying to inflict as much pain as we can as I believe we need the points more.”
Visitors Cardiff, who won the last meeting between the two at home in November, are looking to become the first team to do a league double over the other in the 102 years that the derby has been played.
“We know that this is a chance to create history,” manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer told the club’s website.
“That’s something that is in the back of everyone’s minds, I’m sure.
“That’s what everyone dreams about—to play and beat their local rivals. That’s especially the case for the local lads in the squad. We’ve had some tough games and we’re looking forward to this one as well.”
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Sam on February 08, 2014, 06:40:40 AM
He score one goal and he want to punish, take care he eh get punish heself.

Come on Jonsey,. score more and then talk.

Title: Will a Premiership side save Kenwyne when Cardiff get relegated?
Post by: de_redman on February 08, 2014, 01:25:02 PM
I think only a newly promoted side would take the chance.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: lefty on February 08, 2014, 01:32:19 PM
he showed no hustle or drive today none....none whatsoever ..............too early for dat in fact he to stop it before it too late
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on February 08, 2014, 01:32:49 PM
I think only a newly promoted side would take the chance.
Last chance at Cardiff. If he doh show up for them, is straight Burnleys and Brentfords and Watfords to come.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: chelsealife on February 08, 2014, 07:01:29 PM
I think only a newly promoted side would take the chance.
Last chance at Cardiff. If he doh show up for them, is straight Burnleys and Brentfords and Watfords to come.
Burnley might be in the Prem next season, and i dont think KJ could get in their team atm
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on February 09, 2014, 02:52:34 AM
He might have a shot at some of the promoted teams, if they play long-ball...
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Errol on February 09, 2014, 11:08:45 AM
Love KJ, but he is to lazy. A man his size and age should be in top form running and shooting at everything.

His size is fooling a lot of teams, technically, he is not good.

Sorry, KJ, it hurts me saying this.

But you need to get your act together.

I red on his tweeter page where someone said, after one month everyone will see how lazy you really are.

The guy (Peter) who took his place at Stoke scored yesterday too.

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: AB.Trini on February 09, 2014, 12:09:26 PM
I t is easier to be critical than to be correct at times- Players as most in everyday jobs do have off days. Is scoring goals the measure of a good performance? at the same time is the lack of perceived involvement and hustle  the measure of a player worthy at this level?

Consistent performance or lack there over time will assist in defining the merits of the player but as with many, it is a team game and a system that sometimes brings out the potential in a player. KJ under Hart is a different player under Shabazz.

Peter Odinwin.... playing for Stoke looks different that when he was at Cardiff?
Peter Couch - the lanky unimposing player, appears to be more of an opportunist than an attacking  menacing player.- Now for one I eh hang up on the EPL but I do support our players and the teams they are playing for . So until someone sees KJ as the player he is or can be, is one game at a time. Let the man settle down and earn ah living playing ball.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on February 09, 2014, 12:10:59 PM
Love KJ, but he is to lazy. A man his size and age should be in top form running and shooting at everything.

His size is fooling a lot of teams, technically, he is not good.

Sorry, KJ, it hurts me saying this.

But you need to get your act together.

I red on his tweeter page where someone said, after one month everyone will see how lazy you really are.

The guy (Peter) who took his place at Stoke scored yesterday too.

Like you have a lot of experience and knowledge about these things..give us a few examples like who nah ? And while yuh at it, tell us which team they play with, an what type of strategy the team with a man his size utilize.
Also, the player didn't replace Jones, else he most likely won't have seen the field, farless score..but hey, when good things result from any turmoil, everybody can benefit. The only thing I faulting KJ for, after watching yesterday's game is not choosing a more experienced manager or a better team or maybe both at maybe a lower division, however, it may have not been affordable to them either, due to the high salary he is contracted, that nobody didn't force them or hypnotize anybody to pay no damn lazy player...or wait...he fool plenty clubs, fans and newspapers for a long while doh.even if he cyah fool some ah we..

add: Matt Biondi - World class swimmer in the 80s''and 90s"
 
“Most of the time, people recognize my name first, then me. But as the saying goes, ‘You’re never a hero in your own hometown,’ and I’m just happy being Mr. Biondi, father, math teacher and coach.”
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on February 09, 2014, 02:42:35 PM
The only thing I faulting KJ for, after watching yesterday's game is not choosing a more experienced manager or a better team
I wonder if there was any truth to the Everton business. Coulda be filling in for Lukaku all now.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on February 09, 2014, 03:22:25 PM
I think alyuh miss a few things to criticize him on, alyuh didn't see how tight he pants was, and why he have a dread, that probably keeping him back.  :banginghead:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on February 09, 2014, 04:18:29 PM
I think alyuh miss a few things to criticize him on, alyuh didn't see how tight he pants was, and why he have a dread, that probably keeping him back.  :banginghead:

About time you showed up...

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/filepicker%2FIwhdqkeXSYygeCGRYRkz_captain_save_a_hoe_by_millenia89-d3ct2vj.jpg)
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on February 09, 2014, 05:07:08 PM
I think alyuh miss a few things to criticize him on, alyuh didn't see how tight he pants was, and why he have a dread, that probably keeping him back.  :banginghead:

About time you showed up...

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/filepicker%2FIwhdqkeXSYygeCGRYRkz_captain_save_a_hoe_by_millenia89-d3ct2vj.jpg)

Is it low tide already?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: davidephraim on February 09, 2014, 07:56:50 PM
My opinion.. I think Ole gunner will be better, he is a student of the game and he cant be no worse than AVB
Cardiff, not KJ was off yesterday. Fabio and Zaha both came off in quick succession after KJ. By Seventy-something they were all off. Personally I liked that move by Ole. If we cant do better then we cant do no worse with the old guard. Well that didnt help either but by then I was tru with it. Cardiff isnt led by KJ but if they want to see some more fire in him, they should give him de Armband.

Impossible I know; he now reach but Cardiff have significant fire in de belly issues! They need a man like Marvin Oliver to bawl at dey ass on de field. (though some times my homie dont know when to stop) Hehe

Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on February 09, 2014, 08:40:53 PM
Cardiff have significant fire in de belly issues! They need a man like Marvin Oliver to bawl at dey ass on de field.
Dat ain't Craig Bellamy?

And I now read some article where OGS say he consider Bellamy and Kenwyne (and some next fella) to be the leaders on the team.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Fyzoman on February 10, 2014, 05:52:36 AM
The KJ bashing continues :)

Bellamy still have it.

I did rell like Zaha when ManU bought him and couldn't understand why he didn't get more playing time at Manu (instead of the the Ulitmate Diver Ashley Young), but now I know...Zaha could lose a ball jed, waaaayyyy!!!!

Cardiff going down for sure.

I can't wait to see Messi and Neymar in Brazil!!!!
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: palos on February 10, 2014, 02:00:54 PM
The KJ bashing continues
And that's all there is to it.

KJ will never be able to please some people no matter wha he do or doh do
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tallman on February 10, 2014, 02:31:28 PM
Coming in at #10 on the The top ten laziest footballers of all time.
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/02/10/top-ten-laziest-footballers/
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Tiresais on February 10, 2014, 03:25:20 PM
Coming in at #10 on the The top ten laziest footballers of all time.
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/02/10/top-ten-laziest-footballers/

There aren't many on that list I agree with. Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank is the laziest player I ever saw when he was at Charlton
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: maxg on February 10, 2014, 04:22:10 PM
Coming in at #10 on the The top ten laziest footballers of all time.
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/02/10/top-ten-laziest-footballers/

There aren't many on that list I agree with. Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank is the laziest player I ever saw when he was at Charlton
Stern did get his fair share of trophies too..but ah must say ah real surprised Le Tessier make the list of foreigners..
Maybe cause technically he's a foreigner too  ;D
"Le Tissier was born in Guernsey, and played youth football on the island with Vale Recreation between the ages of seven and sixteen."
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: palos on February 10, 2014, 05:10:56 PM
Coming in at #10 on the The top ten laziest footballers of all time.
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/02/10/top-ten-laziest-footballers/
Russell Latapy have to at least be on that list if not be #1
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: asylumseeker on February 10, 2014, 06:08:16 PM
Coming in at #10 on the The top ten laziest footballers of all time.
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/02/10/top-ten-laziest-footballers/

There aren't many on that list I agree with. Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank is the laziest player I ever saw when he was at Charlton
Stern did get his fair share of trophies too..but ah must say ah real surprised Le Tessier make the list of foreigners..
Maybe cause technically he's a foreigner too  ;D
"Le Tissier was born in Guernsey, and played youth football on the island with Vale Recreation between the ages of seven and sixteen."

I thought Le Tessier was a cheap shot. I think "lazy" is relative. Lazy should be not going after it to the fullest of one's ability to go after it. Everybody cyah be a Caniggia.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Dinner Mints on February 10, 2014, 06:15:59 PM
Kenwyne make that list purely off Redknapp book. Kenwyne ain't a known enough name in football to be springing to nobody mind for a top 10 list of anything. Except maybe goal celebrations.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: JRtheWriter on February 11, 2014, 03:24:06 PM
I can't make excuses for this man anymore... giving the ball away so easily, putting wide open headers right at the goal keeper, and now the crowd is groaning for his "running."
I'm trying my best to stay optimistic but maybe he is just lazy...  :frustrated:
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Rodney on February 11, 2014, 03:45:27 PM
I can't make excuses for this man anymore... giving the ball away so easily, putting wide open headers right at the goal keeper, and now the crowd is groaning for his "running."
I'm trying my best to stay optimistic but maybe he is just lazy...  :frustrated:

What can I say...but agree  :frustrated: . That effort tonight was so frustrating to watch. He's lost something and for the vast majority of all his three cardiff games his overall effort has been poor. When he works hard its so obvious as is the results = largely positive. Sadly that is the exception rather than the norm.

Ah dont like bashin him but he is either unfit, demotivated or as you said just plain lazy. Kenwyne better improve soon or them Cardiff supporters will be hatin on him just like the Sunderland and Stoke fans.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: elan on February 11, 2014, 04:00:36 PM
Man get pull down blatant in the box and no call, alyuh does only see what alyuh want. Look haul alyuh arse and go cheering on useless Rooney and ChiChi man nah. CuddasMunt.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on February 11, 2014, 04:06:38 PM
Man get pull down blatant in the box and no call, alyuh does only see what alyuh want. Look haul alyuh arse and go cheering on useless Rooney and ChiChi man nah. CuddasMunt.

lol.  Pablo jess stop talkin nah caw it eh go change, yuh eh see I stop.  Everything negative is always the highlight of discussion when it comes to KJ. If he walk back he lazy and doh run, meanwhile other men doing de exact same flekkin ting and nobody sees.  Last game Zaha llok like he was tryin to give away every single ball.  Whole team play shit buh who get single out lol.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: palos on February 11, 2014, 06:42:09 PM
Man get pull down blatant in the box and no call, alyuh does only see what alyuh want. Look haul alyuh arse and go cheering on useless Rooney and ChiChi man nah. CuddasMunt.

lol.  Pablo jess stop talkin nah caw it eh go change, yuh eh see I stop.  Everything negative is always the highlight of discussion when it comes to KJ. If he walk back he lazy and doh run, meanwhile other men doing de exact same flekkin ting and nobody sees.  Last game Zaha llok like he was tryin to give away every single ball.  Whole team play shit buh who get single out lol.

Hatahs gonna hate  >:( :)
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Peong on February 11, 2014, 09:45:23 PM
Allyuh feel we care about Zaha and whoever?  I don't. Jones is muh countryman and who I want to improve.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on February 12, 2014, 09:56:03 AM
Allyuh feel we care about Zaha and whoever?  I don't. Jones is muh countryman and who I want to improve.

Wanting him to improve is great but you can't measure him differently than the team or system he plays within.  You can't single out his laziness while ignoring the other players because it may be reflective of the culture within that team environment.  You can analyze his performance and say it was shit while all others play shit too because then it was collective and not individual.  Then we wonder why whenever anybody mentions the site he pulls away and want nothing to do with it?
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Rodney on February 12, 2014, 11:01:30 AM
Allyuh feel we care about Zaha and whoever?  I don't. Jones is muh countryman and who I want to improve.

Wanting him to improve is great but you can't measure him differently than the team or system he plays within.  You can't single out his laziness while ignoring the other players because it may be reflective of the culture within that team environment.  You can analyze his performance and say it was shit while all others play shit too because then it was collective and not individual.  Then we wonder why whenever anybody mentions the site he pulls away and want nothing to do with it?

I agree Cardiff's team as a whole (not just Jones) aren't performing - thats pretty obivious. However I disagree with your reasons for why we should'nt make negative comments on his current performances. Happens all the time - what makes Jones get ah pass? But forget about me, what KJ and all who cant see anything wrong with his recent play should be concerned about are what his current club and their fans think.

I dont think many of the Fans of Sunderland, Stoke and a small but growing number of cardiff fans agree with your assessment either.

Also I don't think this site or members of this site should be concerned if KJ dosent like comments made about him on here. This aint his Fan site!
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on February 12, 2014, 03:14:46 PM
Allyuh feel we care about Zaha and whoever?  I don't. Jones is muh countryman and who I want to improve.

Wanting him to improve is great but you can't measure him differently than the team or system he plays within.  You can't single out his laziness while ignoring the other players because it may be reflective of the culture within that team environment.  You can analyze his performance and say it was shit while all others play shit too because then it was collective and not individual.  Then we wonder why whenever anybody mentions the site he pulls away and want nothing to do with it?

I agree Cardiff's team as a whole (not just Jones) aren't performing - thats pretty obivious. However I disagree with your reasons for why we should'nt make negative comments on his current performances. Happens all the time - what makes Jones get ah pass? But forget about me, what KJ and all who cant see anything wrong with his recent play should be concerned about are what his current club and their fans think.

I dont think many of the Fans of Sunderland, Stoke and a small but growing number of cardiff fans agree with your assessment either.

Also I don't think this site or members of this site should be concerned if KJ dosent like comments made about him on here. This aint his Fan site!

I not saying he gets a pass.  He has flaws and we kno what they are, they aren't new or rececently developed habits.  Funny thing about KJ, man use to rag on him because he half decent fuh club but "doesn't show up" fuh TnT.  The arguments used to be I eh care what he doing fuh club buh instead wha he do when he wear the RWB.  Now that he has put together a consistent run for country and that avenue closed for now, is back to he poor first touch, he cah hold up ball, he cah dis he cah dat an de odda.  Is ah good ting he is we own oui.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on February 12, 2014, 04:05:56 PM
Wanting him to improve is great but you can't measure him differently than the team or system he plays within.  You can't single out his laziness while ignoring the other players because it may be reflective of the culture within that team environment.  You can analyze his performance and say it was shit while all others play shit too because then it was collective and not individual.  Then we wonder why whenever anybody mentions the site he pulls away and want nothing to do with it?

So Kenwyne has had the misfortune of playing on teams with lazy cultural environments?  Because the "lazy" tag has dogged him since his days at So'ton.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on February 12, 2014, 04:13:18 PM
Wanting him to improve is great but you can't measure him differently than the team or system he plays within.  You can't single out his laziness while ignoring the other players because it may be reflective of the culture within that team environment.  You can analyze his performance and say it was shit while all others play shit too because then it was collective and not individual.  Then we wonder why whenever anybody mentions the site he pulls away and want nothing to do with it?

So Kenwyne has had the misfortune of playing on teams with lazy cultural environments?  Because the "lazy" tag has dogged him since his days at So'ton.

No he has played on shitty teams.  Sunderland were a better team with Him and Bent up front than they are today.  Stoke was a better team when he was the starter.  Cardiff is a team that is lacking in positive morale.  Not even you with yuh anti KJ glasses could dispute any of these things.  Crouch who many here including you seemed to believe is better than him, and despite his great touches has never improved the Stoke brand nor their positioning in the table.
Title: Re: Kenwyne Jones Thread
Post by: Bakes on February 12, 2014, 04:46:25 PM
No he has played on shitty teams.  Sunderland were a better team with Him and Bent up front than they are today.  Stoke was a better team when he was the starter.  Cardiff is a team that is lacking in positive morale.  Not even you with yuh anti KJ glasses could dispute any of these things.  Crouch who many here including you seemed to believe is better than him, and despite his great touches has never improved the Stoke brand nor their positioning in the table.

Lol... nah man it not dat bad.  I not anti-Kenwyne... no more.  I was after the shit he pull in Tennessee saying he eh care about we on here, but I ov