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AWESOME.
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MAGNIFICENT!!
that is all! = talk dun ;D
and Welcome Co Durham ;)
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AWESOME.
That is all!
Thanks Co Du. We share your thrill. I've never seen anybody dominate in the air like that for EVERY! ball. Heading at will to goal purely on the basis of untouchable gymnastic edge, not to mention his astute positioning and reading of the game.
Welcome aboard.
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the man reach. he really make we proud out there. it is all about kenwyn jones and he only getting better. his work rate is superb but he needs some suppport up front. keep it up kenwyn
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My two forwards Cornell Glenn and KJ and half my midfield Carlos and Memum
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Everytime I watch KJ I does marvel of how good this man really is and then ah does get vex knowing he have no support on that riff raff team,he clearly is doing all the work on that team which includes defending,attacking,midfield,the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves,kenwynne,carlos,yorke are the three best players on that team hands down......
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Everytime I watch KJ I does marvel of how good this man really is and then ah does get vex knowing he have no support on that riff raff team,he clearly is doing all the work on that team which includes defending,attacking,midfield,the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves,kenwynne,carlos,yorke are the three best players on that team hands down......
Dumpalewie,excuse the borrow please, but
Hush yuh ass!
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FIRSTCLASS
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trinidadian ;D
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They real biggin up d man on BBC....and rightly so....great performance :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
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On match of the day on BBC, Kenwyne got a post match interview with the MOD team, well spoken and and answering the questions asked clearly.
For anyone who watched the game, they would have also realised that NO West Ham defender could handle him in the air. Lee Dixon Gavin Peacock and Ian Dowie all spoke very highly of him and they did video analysis of the multiple times in the game where he created opportunities for sunderland. They dedicate a good 5 minutes of the progamme to him.
They couldn't stop talking about the technique in the header and his incredible athleticism. They compared him to Drogba and talked about him being the key to sunderland staying up
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On match of the day on BBC, Kenwyne got a post match interview with the MOD team, well spoken and and answering the questions asked clearly.
For anyone who watched the game, they would have also realised that NO West Ham defender could handle him in the air. Lee Dixon Gavin Peacock and Ian Dowie all spoke very highly of him and they did video analysis of the multiple times in the game where he created opportunities for sunderland. They dedicate a good 5 minutes of the progamme to him.
They couldn't stop talking about the technique in the header and his incredible athleticism. They compared him to Drogba and talked about him being the key to sunderland staying up
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O gor' meh chest cyah geh no bigger dan it is right now. Eh!! Jones yuh mekkin' we proud dread.
Who say T&T potential for 2010? Check de talent pool nah, with youth and experience: ....
Goal: Ince, Jan-Michael, Jack, Marvin Phillip
Defence stoppers: Telesford, Julius James, Sancho, Lawrence,
Wing backs: Cyd, Avery, Daniel, (Drayton and Power to get extra coaching ;D but dey go make it)
Defensive mids: Birchall, Whitley, Pacheco, Spann, Denzil.... Yorke (last hurrah ;D )
Utility players: Spann, Pacheco
Attacking mids: Carlos, Samuel, Toussaint, Kerry Baptiste!, Tinto,
Strikers: Stern, Jones, Glen, Scotland, McFarlane, Anthony Wolfe
Players to watch: Clyde Leon, Knox, Peltier, Radanfah, Keyeno, Hector Sam, Josh Johnson, Sealy, A fitter Hardest ;)
Positions needed: Wing backs, stoppers, goalies, creative mids, 1 more striker like Glenn (jess in case)
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My two forwards Cornell Glenn and KJ and half my midfield Carlos and Memum
KJ is ah must and ah love Glenn technique and speed. But Stern will not get thrown out dat easily, whether we like him or not, Stern's experience and goal scoring record will not be over looked by any coach of our national team. These guys, have tuh really do de business really good, tuh put Stern on de bench. Notice ah said de bench, cuz he definitely have tuh be on dat national team. HIGHLY BLESSED.
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My two forwards Cornell Glenn and KJ and half my midfield Carlos and Memum
KJ is ah must and ah love Glenn technique and speed. But Stern will not get thrown out dat easily, whether we like him or not, Stern's experience and goal scoring record will not be over looked by any coach of our national team. These guys, have tuh really do de business really good, tuh put Stern on de bench. Notice ah said de bench, cuz he definitely have tuh be on dat national team. HIGHLY BLESSED.
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Stern is vital!!!!!!!!!!!
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And KJ was meh captain in Fantasy Football today to boot... ;D
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FANTABULOUS
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Dominator
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SPLENDIFEROUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BOSS I CANT REMEMBER WHO MENTION IT BEFORE BUT I WAS LSITENING WHEN THE COMMENTATOR AND THEM SAY CAN ANYONE ELSE PLAY!!!!!!!!!! THAT SUMS IT UP PRETTY WELL!!!!! FROM STRIKING TO THE DEFENCE THE MAN IS A BOSS!!!!!!!!. JONES GOING AND BE SUNDERLAND TOP SCORER THIS SEASON AND WATCH FEEL THEM BIG TIME MANAGERS AIN'T WATCHING HIS PERFORMANCES, I ASSURE YOU THEY TAKING NOTES AND HOW HE YOUNG THERE ONLY COULD GET BETTER. SIZE, SKILL, SPEED, SMART, MUST I GO ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU REPRESENTING TRINI WELL BOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNCLE PHILBERT MUST BE SO HAPPY!!!!!!!! WHEN I SEE HIM I WILL LAUD YOUR PRAISES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I IN TRINI FOR CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BOSS I CANT REMEMBER WHO MENTION IT BEFORE BUT I WAS LSITENING WHEN THE COMMENTATOR AND THEM SAY CAN ANYONE ELSE PLAY!!!!!!!!!! THAT SUMS IT UP PRETTY WELL!!!!! FROM STRIKING TO THE DEFENCE THE MAN IS A BOSS!!!!!!!!. JONES GOING AND BE SUNDERLAND TOP SCORER THIS SEASON AND WATCH FEEL THEM BIG TIME MANAGERS AIN'T WATCHING HIS PERFORMANCES, I ASSURE YOU THEY TAKING NOTES AND HOW HE YOUNG THERE ONLY COULD GET BETTER. SIZE, SKILL, SPEED, SMART, MUST I GO ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU REPRESENTING TRINI WELL BOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNCLE PHILBERT MUST BE SO HAPPY!!!!!!!! WHEN I SEE HIM I WILL LAUD YOUR PRAISES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I IN TRINI FOR CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I real laugh when I hear that. Sunderland has nothing without him.
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Jones need to be a bit more selfish with the ball on top the box, too much lay off with ball on feet typical English style of coaching, one of the great quality in a striker is holding on to the ball and taking on defenders.
He need to develop his dribbling skills, I would recommed some 1v1 coaching sessions with someone like Latas on dribbling.
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Good Advise.Learning to take on defenders 1v1.Must say though he is our #1 striker at the moment.
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Lawd when carlos come back is presshah
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Jones need to be a bit more selfish with the ball on top the box, too much lay off with ball on feet typical English style of coaching, one of the great quality in a striker is holding on to the ball and taking on defenders.
He need to develop his dribbling skills, I would recommed some 1v1 coaching sessions with someone like Latas on dribbling.
Coach, ah must say dat is ah pretty good observation and corrective action on your path. However, dat will come in handy on dat rare occasion, when he may need tuh do dat. Obviously dat is not what Keane want, we could see dat from de lil time he playing wid dem. So guess what boss, he better lay it off eh, cuz is Sunderland putting food on he table and Keane is he boss. May be fuh de national team, dat 1v1 might work wid de dutch style of coaching, but wid Keane, dat is ah no, no :beermug:. HIGHLY BLESSED.
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Boy the more tricks yuh have in yuh bag de better.
Never shy away from learning something that will improve your skills.
When he doh have anybody to lay it off to he need to be able to take on defenders.
I think he have some skills though, ah remember he hit a man a drag on de line for T&T in a WC qualifier or warmup ah cah remember.
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Jones need to be a bit more selfish with the ball on top the box, too much lay off with ball on feet typical English style of coaching, one of the great quality in a striker is holding on to the ball and taking on defenders.
He need to develop his dribbling skills, I would recommed some 1v1 coaching sessions with someone like Latas on dribbling.
Although I would agree with you in many ways, one of the basic coaching techniques for a defender is to be told to force an attacker wide. When a striker is running towards goal, you have two aims. Firstly, do not let him shoot, secondly, do not tackle him and risk giving away a free kick in a dangerous area.
Instead, shape your body to force him wide. This allows a defensive midfielder to drop back and cover. Once in a safer position, either make a tackle or shepherd him to the corner. Again, shape your body to bring him on to his weaker foot.
People say that strikers are restricted by English managers. This is nonsense. Britain has a tradition of great wingers who set the game alight by dribbling. Tom Finney, George Best, Ryan Giggs. The list goes on.
Where the English game kills dribbling is the opposition managers. These guys look for ways to stop and frustrate the opposition. That is why Ronaldo and Owen don't run with the ball so much. Roy Keane spent his career stopping players like that from playing. Keeping possession may not be more exciting, but developing a faster one touch game up front is a lot harder to defend against. Much like the Shearer/Sutton Blackburn partnership, Cole/Shearer Newcastle pairing, Fowler/McManaman Liverpool pairing and now perhaps Rooney/Tevez at Man U. This is why its so important to get two strikers playing well together. Its far better from a managers point of view to get two average strikers playing one twos in front of the goal than a dribbling wizard who's game can be stifled by a good defender.
If you then develop your fullback/midfield partnership such as Beckham/Neville and for England Richards/Wright Phillips, who can attack the flanks, you create a more potent attacking force and can play with one striker and two attacking midfielders. However, if you have a player such as Maradonna, you just let him go for t and build the team around him. Unfortunately,much as I admire Kenwynne, he ain't Maradonna!
With todays tactical managers, its not so much about having the best players, but out thinking the opposition. Prime example:- Gerrard & Lampard for England. Individually, both could play for Enland, but never, ever together.
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Why dribbling? He can improve his ability to make space for himself and finish in and around the penalty area, (with both feet and head). He does not necessarily have to be able to dribble. Many top class strikers cannot or could not dribble.
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Good observation coach but I find that when Jones has been one on one with the last man he has not been afraid to try to turn on them.
Most times he has tried to lay it off is when he was under heavy pressure. Also I think that the part of his game that he needs to work on is his short layoffs to foot and to space. Too often they going to the players standing foot or bobbling. Those passes need to be perfect.
The danger of dribbling when you have more than one player when you have team mates as options is that when the play breaks down it could be sure goal.
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ah imagine ah lot ah men on dis forum feel de same way bout Kenwyne Coops; ah know I do. There were times when ah thought he coulda be alil selfish and take men on, but like other men say, MAYBE (???) Keane doh want that, however unless Kenwyne/Dwight/Carlos tell we, we won't know for sure. ah don't see how developing his one v one dribbling skill could hurt his (we) game, and while i do respect fellahs analysis and ting, YO!! at the end ah de day you could be John Terry but if yuh have big strong/more-skillful Kenwyne Jones coming at yuh, yuh could try to send him which ever direction yuh want, when is time to take yuh drag/shoulder-feint/step-over, bredda yuh taking it. On a related note, all ah could think about is having a fit Kenwyne when WC Qualifiers start, ah cyah wait, and yeah. yeah the analysis men go start talking bout what dis or dat team will do to neutralize him, blah, blah, blah.....all i know is he will be a force to be reckoned with for dem concacaf teams. Bless
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All Jones has to do is tap into the experience of the good people around him. Keane, Yorke, Edwards etc. With hard work he will progress naturally.
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My two cents, cornell Glenn is such a player not jonesy,not that Jones can't develop into such a players, but Jones so reminds me of drogba, not to fancy wid the footworks , but knows how to score, and that's just what we need on the national team , the same goes for sunlun. we had great dribblers in the past but hardly any finishers who got the ball in the back of the net, played excellent and dazzled the crowd, but no goals, and that's the main reason we sucked so much in the past, lack of finishing which is so frustrating.
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Everytime I watch KJ I does marvel of how good this man really is and then ah does get vex knowing he have no support on that riff raff team,he clearly is doing all the work on that team which includes defending,attacking,midfield,the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves,kenwynne,carlos,yorke are the three best players on that team hands down......
Pinto, that's an extreemly rude statment yuh made about the rest of the team, it's also false. FYI grant ledbitter had an awesome game as well as most of the team, and your trini bias shows quite clear. yorke aint score one goal for the whole season even though he played his part, so don't say them boys is the best on the team. man like higginbotham, nosworthy , ledbitter , miller ,mc shane and collins are playing excellent ball, they're just unlucky at the most crucial times, and such is the prem. i believe the team will get their footing preety soon . have some patients bro. positive.
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Everytime I watch KJ I does marvel of how good this man really is and then ah does get vex knowing he have no support on that riff raff team,he clearly is doing all the work on that team which includes defending,attacking,midfield,the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves,kenwynne,carlos,yorke are the three best players on that team hands down......
Pinto, that's an extreemly rude statment yuh made about the rest of the team, it's also false. FYI grant ledbitter had an awesome game as well as most of the team, and your trini bias shows quite clear. yorke aint score one goal for the whole season even though he played his part, so don't say them boys is the best on the team. man like higginbotham, nosworthy , ledbitter , miller ,mc shane and collins are playing excellent ball, they're just unlucky at the most crucial times, and such is the prem. i believe the team will get their footing preety soon . have some patients bro. positive.
Okay I will take that as I should and retract what I said earlier,so as to be more patient in my analysis,because clearly people see something in the team that I'm not seeing,but maybe time will tell...........
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Jones need to be a bit more selfish with the ball on top the box, too much lay off with ball on feet typical English style of coaching, one of the great quality in a striker is holding on to the ball and taking on defenders.
He need to develop his dribbling skills, I would recommed some 1v1 coaching sessions with someone like Latas on dribbling.
Well even dwight did not dribble as much when he was at Manchester either, you know how brutal the EPL is you really ain't have time to do all that before yuh get blade, so quick reflex and first touch is important, because you need to get that shot off as fast and as accurate as you can. Jones goal at Reading was sweet , because he leave out the defender with one touch , turn and boom goal.
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Very good points by all, but a striker will get into a situations were we will be isolated at times and will need to take on a defender to create a goal scoring opportunity, he can run away from this situaltion and look for the late support.
Jones has the tools to be top class striker, and being able to eliminate a defender at times will be one part of his game that can make him a world class striker.
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No offense coach, but that is trinidad style advice and all of us here will agree with you that is what is good for Jones. However, that is not why he was bought by Sunderland. His job is to collect the ball with his back toward the goal, lay it off for a teammate and then get into the area for the cross to finish. Simple.
All he need the tricks for is to be able to hold onto the ball til he get support, which he does very well. Doh get tie up...Jones could dribble, he just doh need to a la Dwight Yorke when he went to England. It is not necessary, but when he in a situation where he has no choice but to dribble, he can and will. However, it is usually just to maintain posisession and not to advance position.
Maybe it is his misfortune because of his stature, but the smaller nippy striker, like Chopra and Stokes, are the ones who Keane expect to be running at men with the ball and dribbling after getting the layoff from Jones.
If you watch his game, he understands it to perfection in my opinion. When he get the ball played into him, his back is toward goal and he looks to lay it off to a teammamte. However, several times when the play breakdown and he was facing the goal he look to take on the man just to make space for himeslf and shoot, virtually every time. I see enough of Kenwyne to know he could dribble, man.
Watch the World Cup games without emotions and from a coaching standpoint and u will see it. He collect and layoff or collect and turn on the man before getting a foul or a throw-in 95% of the time.
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My two cents, cornell Glenn is such a player not jonesy,not that Jones can't develop into such a players, but Jones so reminds me of drogba, not to fancy wid the footworks , but knows how to score, and that's just what we need on the national team , the same goes for sunlun. we had great dribblers in the past but hardly any finishers who got the ball in the back of the net, played excellent and dazzled the crowd, but no goals, and that's the main reason we sucked so much in the past, lack of finishing which is so frustrating.
I keep saying it over and over CORNELL GLEN AND JONES UP FRONT FOR TNT is PURE POISON! WE HAVE THE OPTIONS NOW MORE THAN EVER BEFORE
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Roy Keene in an interview after the game yesterday was asked "how threatening is KJ tp PFL defenders"? And his response conatined the following "you saw for yourself today, he has a physical presence, good touch and is quick. We are delighted with KJ". Compare those statements to the concern raised in this post and one must ask who is closer to the truth here?
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With Saha getting iinjured all the time, I feel Sir Alex will tell Keano..."I need Kenwyne to finish them thing thst Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney creating. Here, i giving you real money plus I will buy big players from foreign, chain them up to come to Manu and loan them to u, just tell me who u want. Please, Roy...doh get on so nah man, let me buy him from u nah! I know u might get relegated without him but doh study it, u will get my job next couple years and be reunited with him and then u will win everything too!''
But seriously...he looking like a class act and at 22 he on track to be better than Dwight was, which says a lot.
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With Saha getting iinjured all the time, I feel Sir Alex will tell Keano..."I need Kenwyne to finish them thing thst Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney creating. Here, i giving you real money plus I will buy big players from foreign, chain them up to come to Manu and loan them to u, just tell me who u want. Please, Roy...doh get on so nah man, let me buy him from u nah! I know u might get relegated without him but doh study it, u will get my job next couple years and be reunited with him and then u will win everything too!''
But seriously...he looking like a class act and at 22 he on track to be better than Dwight was, which says a lot.
wid all due respect, why Braveheart doh send Shrek to Sunderland ;D
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No offense coach, but that is trinidad style advice and all of us here will agree with you that is what is good for Jones. However, that is not why he was bought by Sunderland. His job is to collect the ball with his back toward the goal, lay it off for a teammate and then get into the area for the cross to finish. Simple.
All he need the tricks for is to be able to hold onto the ball til he get support, which he does very well. Doh get tie up...Jones could dribble, he just doh need to a la Dwight Yorke when he went to England. It is not necessary, but when he in a situation where he has no choice but to dribble, he can and will. However, it is usually just to maintain posisession and not to advance position.
Maybe it is his misfortune because of his stature, but the smaller nippy striker, like Chopra and Stokes, are the ones who Keane expect to be running at men with the ball and dribbling after getting the layoff from Jones.
If you watch his game, he understands it to perfection in my opinion. When he get the ball played into him, his back is toward goal and he looks to lay it off to a teammamte. However, several times when the play breakdown and he was facing the goal he look to take on the man just to make space for himeslf and shoot, virtually every time. I see enough of Kenwyne to know he could dribble, man.
Watch the World Cup games without emotions and from a coaching standpoint and u will see it. He collect and layoff or collect and turn on the man before getting a foul or a throw-in 95% of the time.
I need to amend my earlier post, "Unless we hear it from Kenwyne/Dwight/Carlos/SpideyBuff we won't know for sure what is Keane's plan for Kenwyne." My bad! ;)
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developing dribbling ability takes considerable time. If it was that easy almost every player would develop that ability. Jones has pace & strength and that is what he will have to build upon
Koller, Battistuta, Klose, Luca Toni, Borgetti, Morientes, Sheara, Kluivert, Van Niselroy are all players that are great goal scorers but no one will name them for their dribbling ability.
Jones is still learning how to play the position and I am sure he will also learn to use his qualities and score many goals.
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ah imagine ah lot ah men on dis forum feel de same way bout Kenwyne Coops; ah know I do. There were times when ah thought he coulda be alil selfish and take men on, but like other men say, MAYBE (???) Keane doh want that, however unless Kenwyne/Dwight/Carlos tell we, we won't know for sure. ah don't see how developing his one v one dribbling skill could hurt his (we) game, and while i do respect fellahs analysis and ting, YO!! at the end ah de day you could be John Terry but if yuh have big strong/more-skillful Kenwyne Jones coming at yuh, yuh could try to send him which ever direction yuh want, when is time to take yuh drag/shoulder-feint/step-over, bredda yuh taking it. On a related note, all ah could think about is having a fit Kenwyne when WC Qualifiers start, ah cyah wait, and yeah. yeah the analysis men go start talking bout what dis or dat team will do to neutralize him, blah, blah, blah.....all i know is he will be a force to be reckoned with for dem concacaf teams. Bless
Fyzo i hope this is a typo but" Kenwyn Coops" don't play this game any more,i had enough years of this kind of thing so i just sit back now and enjoy the ride,every body has their time,it's a different time and a different Kenwyn.
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I was thinking the same thing concerning Man U.
KJ finding himself now in the epl...against Man U a few weeks ago, he look ordinary.
The key will be how he perform vs them in the home game.
Alex Ferg is a man who have a thing for chasing hype players and players who do well against his team. On football sunday yesterday, no other games on the schedule and all eyes on that game, KJ really introduced himself to the rest of the Premiership big time.
Remind me of Vince Young the odda nite on Monday Night Football, vs the lesser mortals Reggie Bush and the Saints.
Lets hope he stays injury free and keep developing.
He was awesome yesterday. The key now is consistency.
Between Yorke and Keane, he could not have asked for better mentors.
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I doh think Kenwyn will beat yorke at his peak at his peak york had 29 goals and 23 assists.....have you any idea how ridiculous those stats are ........That go be too hard to pass specially with the bombsquad yorkie was with.
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I doh think Kenwyn will beat yorke at his peak at his peak york had 29 goals and 23 assists.....have you any idea how ridiculous those stats are ........That go be too hard to pass specially with the bombsquad yorkie was with.
Agree to a point,but yuh have to equate the fact that field of players now, are far more talented than they were when yorkie played,so not to down play yorks scoring record of 29 goals but would you not agree a feat like that becomes harder in these times...........
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Everytime I watch KJ I does marvel of how good this man really is and then ah does get vex knowing he have no support on that riff raff team,he clearly is doing all the work on that team which includes defending,attacking,midfield,the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves,kenwynne,carlos,yorke are the three best players on that team hands down......
Dumpalewie,excuse the borrow please, but
Hush yuh ass!
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No Problem!!
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Everytime I watch KJ I does marvel of how good this man really is and then ah does get vex knowing he have no support on that riff raff team,he clearly is doing all the work on that team which includes defending,attacking,midfield,the rest of them should be ashamed of themselves,kenwynne,carlos,yorke are the three best players on that team hands down......
Pinto, that's an extreemly rude statment yuh made about the rest of the team, it's also false. FYI grant ledbitter had an awesome game as well as most of the team, and your trini bias shows quite clear. yorke aint score one goal for the whole season even though he played his part, so don't say them boys is the best on the team. man like higginbotham, nosworthy , ledbitter , miller ,mc shane and collins are playing excellent ball, they're just unlucky at the most crucial times, and such is the prem. i believe the team will get their footing preety soon . have some patients bro. positive.
Okay I will take that as I should and retract what I said earlier,so as to be more patient in my analysis,because clearly people see something in the team that I'm not seeing,but maybe time will tell...........
sorry for being so harsh on you but ah didn't have the patience to write out everything that just cool just tell you.
No need to throw the whole team under the bus. It wrong in both sense of the word.
Have a little patience and watch the matches in a less biased manner.
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BOSS I CANT REMEMBER WHO MENTION IT BEFORE BUT I WAS LSITENING WHEN THE COMMENTATOR AND THEM SAY CAN ANYONE ELSE PLAY!!!!!!!!!! THAT SUMS IT UP PRETTY WELL!!!!! FROM STRIKING TO THE DEFENCE THE MAN IS A BOSS!!!!!!!!. JONES GOING AND BE SUNDERLAND TOP SCORER THIS SEASON AND WATCH FEEL THEM BIG TIME MANAGERS AIN'T WATCHING HIS PERFORMANCES, I ASSURE YOU THEY TAKING NOTES AND HOW HE YOUNG THERE ONLY COULD GET BETTER. SIZE, SKILL, SPEED, SMART, MUST I GO ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU REPRESENTING TRINI WELL BOSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNCLE PHILBERT MUST BE SO HAPPY!!!!!!!! WHEN I SEE HIM I WILL LAUD YOUR PRAISES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I IN TRINI FOR CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I real laugh when I hear that. Sunderland has nothing without him.
u forget Carlos ;D
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I doh think Kenwyn will beat yorke at his peak at his peak york had 29 goals and 23 assists.....have you any idea how ridiculous those stats are ........That go be too hard to pass specially with the bombsquad yorkie was with.
Agree to a point,but yuh have to equate the fact that field of players now, are far more talented than they were when yorkie played,so not to down play yorks scoring record of 29 goals but would you not agree a feat like that becomes harder in these times...........
Saga I goh have to disagree with yuh to a point but leh we just use the champion league as an example you remember the juventus side with zidane and davids and them fellas not to mention the barcelona side with rivaldo , figo and these fellas running riot and the inter side lol i mean Yorkie score against some real big guns ayah real big ones and i have to tell yuh i enjoy watching ball that year all helluva ah lot more than i enjoying what i seeing now...So interms of standard I really doh know of the standard right now was better than that year in fact I dare say it wasnt .....Plus that united side hard giggs keane scholes cole , bechkam and arsenal beat them with anelka running riot and bergamp in he prime....look at the semis with manu and aresenal of the fa cup saddist that year had one of the highest standards I've ever seen
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I'm not a coach, I just play and know de game. However, like Coach said we do have some very good points on dis thread, but I will say again, if de taking on of defenders is not what Keane want, we will post here until 2010 and will not see that, cuz KJ have tuh do exactly what his boss and employer want him tuh do, not what he or de forum think he should do. In dat case, we may never see dat dribbling skills while he is at Sunderland. Remember, dat is a job KJ have and he is employed with a boss, just like most of us, so he have tuh follow rules and regulations, just like us. Wid dat said, it is obvious wid de loan striker (KJ) up front, there will always be a plan for x amount of players, tuh suppport KJ when he receive the ball in de 18 or around de 18, so there is no need for dribbling. Wid dis height and power, tuh me he just have tuh use dat power and tuh get some space from his maker, there is no need for fancy foot work.
By using his power and getting some space from his maker, he cud either use his speed (if there is no support) and race tuh goal and shoot or lay off, if help show up, or he could shoot directly tuh goal after getting de space from his marker. Like a member said, a Drogba style will still get him into a very big club, making big money. De main thing is tuh score goals, and have some assist, he money will be in de bank may be by January transfer window or next summer. As Trinbagonians we love we lil fancy foot work, there is nothing sweeter dan tuh see Latapy and Dinho cap or drag ah man, but really and trully, there are other ways tuh be world class. For example, Ronaldo and Van Nistelroy they are both world class strikers, Ronaldo will entertain us wid his speed and dribbling, and then put one in de old onion bag, but Van is just a plain and simple, a deadly finisher, no fancy foot work, he just does put dem in de onion bag. HIGHLY BLESSED.
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Jones was sensational.
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By the way another DEEP SOUTH PRODUCT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH AND FOR GENERAL INFORMATION HE FROM SOBO VILLAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT IS SOBO VILLAGE LA BREA. NOT POINT FORTIN AS I HAVE SEEN INCORRECTLY POSTED ON SOME WEBSITES. THAT IS SOBO VILLAGE LA BREA ABOUT 10 MINS DRIVE FROM WHERE I LIVE AND PHILBERT JONES FROM SOBO AS WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ah now understand the boy's complexion - he from La Brea!
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JOHPANTS you FULL OF SHIT. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DON'T GET TIE UP I FROM LA BREA AND I IS A RED MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!. YES SOME PEOPLE HAVE DARK COMPLEXION BUT YOU CAN'T BAND EVERYBODY TOGETHER BEACAUSE THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS OF WHICH I AM ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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My two forwards Cornell Glenn and KJ and half my midfield Carlos and Memum
Finally someone who agrees with me!
:applause: :applause: :applause:
I would love to see this combo the next time we could get an international game during the next break
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De post was for one word but de man so bad an meking all ah we proud that one word not enough
My one word
REAL-BAD
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By the way another DEEP SOUTH PRODUCT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH AND FOR GENERAL INFORMATION HE FROM SOBO VILLAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT IS SOBO VILLAGE LA BREA. NOT POINT FORTIN AS I HAVE SEEN INCORRECTLY POSTED ON SOME WEBSITES. THAT IS SOBO VILLAGE LA BREA ABOUT 10 MINS DRIVE FROM WHERE I LIVE AND PHILBERT JONES FROM SOBO AS WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Philbert Jones is he Uncle....!
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YEAH MAN!!!!!!!! PHILBERT IS HE UNCLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Guys, the big fella was immense today. It was a superb performance from Kenwynne who gave us 100% for the whole game, he is so committed to the cause he shed blood, sweat and tears.
He took a really bad knock to the head in the 2nd half and it looked really bad as both physios came running on and a medic from pitchside. I thought he had swallowed his tongue as he did not seem to move for about 5 minutes but thankfully he got up, he had his wound bandaged and ran at full speed from behind the away goal to the half way line so he could come back on.
People questioned his attitude when he was at Southampton but he was like Rambo out there today, he was battered by Wheater all day but just came back stronger. The whole ground were stood up singing his name at one point, it was a beautiful moment.
Now we safe from relegation Keane can hopefully get a top quality striker to play alongside him, according to the press Keane has said he wants to spend somewhere between £50m and £70m on players.
I am so relaxed tonight, it is fantastic to be in the EPL next seaon again and we still have 2 game left
:beermug: :beermug:
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Barclays Premier League Table
26 April 2008
P GD PTS
1 Man Utd 36 53 81
2 Chelsea 36 37 81
3 Arsenal 35 37 74
4 Liverpool 36 36 70
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5 Everton 35 21 61
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6 Aston Villa 35 22 58
7 Portsmouth 35 12 57
8 Man City 36 0 55
9 Blackburn 35 2 52
10 West Ham 36 -5 48
11 Tottenham 36 6 43
12 Newcastle 36 -16 43
13 Sunderland 36 -20 39
14 Wigan 36 -17 37
15 Middlesbrough 36 -19 36
16 Bolton 36 -20 33
17 Reading 36 -28 33
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18 Birmingham 36 -17 32
19 Fulham 36 -25 30
20 Derby 35 -59 11
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Guys, the big fella was immense today. It was a superb performance from Kenwynne who gave us 100% for the whole game, he is so committed to the cause he shed blood, sweat and tears.
He took a really bad knock to the head in the 2nd half and it looked really bad as both physios came running on and a medic from pitchside. I thought he had swallowed his tongue as he did not seem to move for about 5 minutes but thankfully he got up, he had his wound bandaged and ran at full speed from behind the away goal to the half way line so he could come back on.
People questioned his attitude when he was at Southampton but he was like Rambo out there today, he was battered by Wheater all day but just came back stronger. The whole ground were stood up singing his name at one point, it was a beautiful moment.
Now we safe from relegation Keane can hopefully get a top quality striker to play alongside him, according to the press Keane has said he wants to spend somewhere between £50m and £70m on players.
I am so relaxed tonight, it is fantastic to be in the EPL next seaon again and we still have 2 game left
:beermug: :beermug:
I think Chopra was equally immense today.
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it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..
to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..
that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..
there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.
I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.
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a midfield / defence would help more
btw omarldinho
I will start the Summer Signing Speculation thread after the last match of the season and keep it going through the summer, so the mods wont have stacks of threads, then we can argue to our hearts content over the summer signings.
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it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..
to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..
that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..
there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.
I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.
At least chopra played better than edwards in every sense of the word better. trini bias!
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a midfield / defence would help more
btw omarldinho
I will start the Summer Signing Speculation thread after the last match of the season and keep it going through the summer, so the mods wont have stacks of threads, then we can argue to our hearts content over the summer signings.
lol, no probs..
you know how much we agree on transfer targets already. ;D
just remember i'll accept no less than 100k a year. :beermug: :beermug:
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it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..
to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..
that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..
there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.
I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.
At least chopra played better than edwards in every sense of the word better. trini bias!
who arguing that? how carlos come in this?
i'm simply stating my opinion on chopra breds.
where did you see me mention edwards anywhere for you to accuse trini bias?
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it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..
to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..
that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..
there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.
I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.
At least chopra played better than edwards in every sense of the word better. trini bias!
who arguing that? how carlos come in this?
i'm simply stating my opinion on chopra breds.
where did you see me mention edwards anywhere for you to accuse trini bias?
Well you should've!! why jump on chops when carlos sh!tiing down he tail.
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a midfield / defence would help more
btw omarldinho
I will start the Summer Signing Speculation thread after the last match of the season and keep it going through the summer, so the mods wont have stacks of threads, then we can argue to our hearts content over the summer signings.
lol, no probs..
you know how much we agree on transfer targets already. ;D
just remember i'll accept no less than 100k a year. :beermug: :beermug:
Your such a tart ;)
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it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..
to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..
that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..
there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.
I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.
You being harsh. I agree on Chopra not being the quality second striker Sunderland need, and him not linking up well with KJ, but you underating him. He's not a striker in the proper sense of the word, more like a generic "forward" but he's useful when you need somebody to play both forward and midfield (think wiltord or Govou) and that particular play where he eliminated Wheater, the drag might not have been something special but the choice on the shot was top class.Similarly, the lob he scored against Aston Villa.
He's a intelligent player. And despite his small size, he gives 100% and harangues the opposition backline whole game. Its completely in line with the team spirit and its very useful when you have a defence that doubting. And I don't think he would make problems being a sub. Unless you planning on buying Defoe or Agbonlahor or Owen or somebody so, I would recommend keeping him.
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it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..
to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..
that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..
there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.
I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.
At least chopra played better than edwards in every sense of the word better. trini bias!
who arguing that? how carlos come in this?
i'm simply stating my opinion on chopra breds.
where did you see me mention edwards anywhere for you to accuse trini bias?
Well you should've!! why jump on chops when carlos sh!tiing down he tail.
Carlos had a decent game today. Def. didn't shit down himself. Neat, more competent effort than past and was more involved in the attack as the game wore on. Except for one really poor cross, it was a decent enough effort on both ends. Needs to take more risks in attack, but today's game was a relegation scrap. None of the more skilled players took any risks and it was basically route 1 football today. On the flip side, Carlos fed off the scraps well and kept possession very well in a midfield that has problems stringing passes together. Got some nice applause as he came off. Fans saw a decent effort..I agree.
Chopra was very good today. He is a good poacher and would probably be in double figures for the season if he didn't play right wing half the time. Not everyone's type of player, but the kind of goals he scores makes me think he is a better finisher than anyone else in the side.
JC..like somebody get yuh vex. If a man discussing a player he doh rate he doh have to discuss nobody else. It would be one thing if Carlos was a striker but having an opinion on Chopra have nutten to do with Carlos. For all you know, Omar coulda find carlos was the shittiest man on the field. You want to dictate man topic now or wha?
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it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..
to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..
that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..
there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.
I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.
I not a chopra fan but it sounding like yuh looking fuh ah reason to say he eh good,look at this point where they fighting to stay up critizing or evaluating a players performance won't help them,we already know who does play shit and who alright..................Peace.
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it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..
to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..
that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..
there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.
I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.
I not a chopra fan but it sounding like yuh looking fuh ah reason to say he eh good,look at this point where they fighting to stay up critizing or evaluating a players performance won't help them,we already know who does play shit and who alright..................Peace.
hold yuh horses..
i doh need ah reason to say he eh good. If i find he's a shitong, then I find he's a shitong.. end of text!
furthermore, they no longer fighting to stay up; as of today's result, they're now safe from relegation.
So i'm saying looking ahead, that I think they need someone with much more quality than Chopra has to partner Jones up front because he doesn't impress me as anything more than a useful player; even though admittedly he had a good game today.
Hope that's simple enough reasoning for you.
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Sunderland now all yuh safe get KJ some help 4 08-09 pleezeeeeeeeeee
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ah fine allyuh blasted bias...fact is chopra was a newcastle understudy....only reason he didnt make it there cause he competing against Shearer...to me ...he givin jones competition and that is what keeping sunderland competitive in d forward line....
I get d feeling if Chopra was ah black man allyuh mighta big him up....but because he is neither black or trini....castigate him....right?
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K.J. Played like a 'warrior' ran like a warrior and looked like ah warrior today.
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I get d feeling if Chopra was ah black man allyuh mighta big him up....but because he is neither black or trini....castigate him....right?
And I get the feeling you trying to pollute this thread with a smart man reverse racism. Who is allyuh? Did you even take your time to read the posts? There are more posts giving Chopra props here than the ones that doh rate him and I could tell yuh it have some black Trinis that give him props right here on this thread. By the way, you must be a millionaire by now with that technology you have that could ascertain a person race in an anonymous forum.
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Actually i thought chopra made some good diagonal movements off the ball today ...in fact he runs off the ball better than KJ does i think he's decent or in fact useful . I see no reason to get rid of him he fits a role that this team needs because they have no stars on this team just a bunch of workers.
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ah fine allyuh blasted bias...fact is chopra was a newcastle understudy....only reason he didnt make it there cause he competing against Shearer...to me ...he givin jones competition and that is what keeping sunderland competitive in d forward line....
I get d feeling if Chopra was ah black man allyuh mighta big him up....but because he is neither black or trini....castigate him....right?
oh boy.... now yuh did it.... Chopra could not be black because his parents are white.. its pretty elementary.. I'm glad that I was available to clear this point up for de forum.
Davidephraim strikes again...
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ah fine allyuh blasted bias...fact is chopra was a newcastle understudy....only reason he didnt make it there cause he competing against Shearer...to me ...he givin jones competition and that is what keeping sunderland competitive in d forward line....
I get d feeling if Chopra was ah black man allyuh mighta big him up....but because he is neither black or trini....castigate him....right?
good call Naipaul.
BTW..anyone see Carlos "Cortina" Edwards today? ::)
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Thanks Cartman...congrats to Sunderland....and the tnt lads as well
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it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..
to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..
that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..
there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.
I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.
I think your opinion on Chopra is reflective as much of an opinion on Chopra's ability, as it is of the type of player that you (and we Trinis in general) like...From what I've seen this season, Chopra is a very industrious player who can hit the net when he gets the chance. His strike rate might actually be better than Jones' (he's only scored 2 less than Jones, and I ain't the team statistician, but I think Jones has had alot more looks on goal than Chopra)....and the quality of his goals are actually better than Jones' ...so the gap in quality between the two (as strikers) isn't really that big.
Jones is way more of a central figure at Sunderland than Chopra, but Chopra's role in the team this season was significant as well in my opinion, and he showed some versatility being able to fill more than one position. I think if he didn't have the "hunch-back" lol...and he made his job like a little graceful, he might escape your criticism...Just my take based on the type of players that we Trinis enjoy watching....
I might get cuss for this, but I'm still not fully convinced that Jones is a quality "striker". I think he's a tremendous athlete, and a decent utility football player, and striker is just one of the positions where he can hold his own especially in a team that relies on a big man target to aim at up front.... Despite Jones' talismanic role at Sunderland this year, if Keano is trying to inject true quality through big spending this year in the hopes of builing a smooth running football team as opposed to the route one smash & grab that Sunderland played this year, I'm not sure if Jones is gonna be that big player that the team is built around, as he was this season.
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ah fine allyuh blasted bias...fact is chopra was a newcastle understudy....only reason he didnt make it there cause he competing against Shearer...to me ...he givin jones competition and that is what keeping sunderland competitive in d forward line....
I get d feeling if Chopra was ah black man allyuh mighta big him up....but because he is neither black or trini....castigate him....right?
oh boy.... now yuh did it.... Chopra could not be black because his parents are white.. its pretty elementary.. I'm glad that I was available to clear this point up for de forum.
Davidephraim strikes again...
White?!! with ah name like chopra ? breds the man is bi-racial, his mother's white and his father is indian.
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And I get the feeling you trying to pollute this thread with a smart man reverse racism. Who is allyuh? Did you even take your time to read the posts? There are more posts giving Chopra props here than the ones that doh rate him and I could tell yuh it have some black Trinis that give him props right here on this thread. By the way, you must be a millionaire by now with that technology you have that could ascertain a person race in an anonymous forum.
Filho...I like the way you like to use the word pollute...where I am making a general observation. There is nothing wrong with addressing what others would like to say but are sometimes passive about and shrug off. I feel this to be very pertinent ..Is like asking why arent there more players other than MOSTLY of African heritage in the TNT national team and how do we address it and why isnt affirmative action being implemented ?
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ah fine allyuh blasted bias...fact is chopra was a newcastle understudy....only reason he didnt make it there cause he competing against Shearer...to me ...he givin jones competition and that is what keeping sunderland competitive in d forward line....
I get d feeling if Chopra was ah black man allyuh mighta big him up....but because he is neither black or trini....castigate him....right?
good call Naipaul.
BTW..anyone see Carlos "Cortina" Edwards today? ::)
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:...congrats sunderland :beermug:
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And I get the feeling you trying to pollute this thread with a smart man reverse racism. Who is allyuh? Did you even take your time to read the posts? There are more posts giving Chopra props here than the ones that doh rate him and I could tell yuh it have some black Trinis that give him props right here on this thread. By the way, you must be a millionaire by now with that technology you have that could ascertain a person race in an anonymous forum.
Filho...I like the way you like to use the word pollute...where I am making a general observation. There is nothing wrong with addressing what others would like to say but are sometimes passive about and shrug off. I feel this to be very pertinent ..Is like asking why arent there more players other than MOSTLY of African heritage in the TNT national team and how do we address it and why isnt affirmative action being implemented ?
You seem very intent on starting a race discussion today. Thank you very much for speaking for all the people who are to shy to express their views.
Actually, I think that this is your personal crutch. Pitifull!!!
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big up to kenwyne
but that game was reaaaaal ugly jed...
with the drama of the late goal and all..it was hard to watch that shit
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You seem very intent on starting a race discussion today. Thank you very much for speaking for all the people who are to shy to express their views.
Actually, I think that this is your personal crutch. Pitifull!!!
d truth hurts...dont it... ;D
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SING PRAISES SING PRAISES........
ALLYUH HELP MEH WITH THIS ONE NAH....
Black Superman- Kenwynne Superman Jones
Johnny Wakelin & The Kinshasa Band
This here's the story of Kenwynne Jones
Who is known as K.J.
He knows how to play and he knows how to jump
And all the opposition were out headed outa sight
Sing, K.J. K.J.
He runs like a gazelle and jumps like a ……………
Kenwynne, the black superman
Who calls to the other guy out jump me if you can
Now all you football fans, you've got to agree
There ain't no players like Kenwynne Jones
Sing, Kenwynne Jones Kenwynne Jones
He runs like a gazelle and scores like a ……..
Black Superman- Kenwynne Superman Jones
Johnny Wakelin & The Kinshasa Band
This here's the story of Kenwynne Jones
Who is known as K.J.
He knows how to play and he knows how to jump
And all the opposition were out headed outa sight
Sing, K.J. K.J.
He runs like a gazelle and jumps like a ……………
Kenwynne, the black superman
Who calls to the other guy out jump me if you can
Now all you football fans, you've got to agree
There ain't no players like Kenwynne Jones
Sing, Kenwynne Jones Kenwynne Jones
He runs like a gazelle and scores like a ……..
Kenwynne Jones the black superman
TRY TO OUT JUMP HIM IF YOU CAN
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I thin chopra had an even better game than KJ and that him and Jones work pretty good together. compliment each other well. The keeper pretty good too. The 1st string defense decent, but they need better back ups...and the most glaring need is not another expensive striker. It have to do with that long ball hoof brand they playing.
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The only thing i have against Chops is he need to learn how to use his left foot, he had 2 good chances that he let miss him because he opted to usehis right instead of his left when it was the better option. Apart from that, I think he made some good runs, even the one where he was called offside when he clearly was not...intelligent player I must say :beermug:
I think KJ is getting tired, but he had a very good game today.
Big Up!
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The only thing i have against Chops is he need to learn how to use his left foot, he had 2 good chances that he let miss him because he opted to usehis right instead of his left when it was the better option. Apart from that, I think he made some good runs, even the one where he was called offside when he clearly was not...intelligent player I must say :beermug:
I think KJ is getting tired, but he had a very good game today.
Big Up!
very good observation about the choosing de right over de left when clearly de lft woul have done de job...
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it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..
to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..
that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..
there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.
I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.
I think your opinion on Chopra is reflective as much of an opinion on Chopra's ability, as it is of the type of player that you (and we Trinis in general) like...From what I've seen this season, Chopra is a very industrious player who can hit the net when he gets the chance. His strike rate might actually be better than Jones' (he's only scored 2 less than Jones, and I ain't the team statistician, but I think Jones has had alot more looks on goal than Chopra)....and the quality of his goals are actually better than Jones' ...so the gap in quality between the two (as strikers) isn't really that big.
Jones is way more of a central figure at Sunderland than Chopra, but Chopra's role in the team this season was significant as well in my opinion, and he showed some versatility being able to fill more than one position. I think if he didn't have the "hunch-back" lol...and he made his job like a little graceful, he might escape your criticism...Just my take based on the type of players that we Trinis enjoy watching....
I might get cuss for this, but I'm still not fully convinced that Jones is a quality "striker". I think he's a tremendous athlete, and a decent utility football player, and striker is just one of the positions where he can hold his own especially in a team that relies on a big man target to aim at up front.... Despite Jones' talismanic role at Sunderland this year, if Keano is trying to inject true quality through big spending this year in the hopes of builing a smooth running football team as opposed to the route one smash & grab that Sunderland played this year, I'm not sure if Jones is gonna be that big player that the team is built around, as he was this season.
kicker I have similar toughts on Kenwyn.
Before anybody gets defensive let me make it clear without Kenwyn I think we would of been dead and buried this season, and no doubt Kenwyn is very happy, because yeaterday would of been a fairly hefty payday for him and the rest of the lads as there will be a decent bonus for survival.
Kenwyn is a natural athelet, he's not a natural forward. He has great potential but its up to him whether he realises or not. Sunderland needed Kenwyn this season badly, but ironically Kenwyn's reputation has increased dramatically because sunderland have been playing to his strengths. Kenwyn may of not looked so good in a better team, beacuse his movement, shooting and composure needs to improve. If Sunderland attract better players then his style will need to change a bit, getting into positions facing the goal rather than back to goal, brining in other players in open play just not from set pieces. This is not getting at Kenwyn, its because Sunderland as a team have left him by himself upfront so he has not shown this yet. Its all about the team who he has around and what needs to change, as a forward he has a lot to learn, but he has great potential.
I would expect a lot of rumours in the summer about Kenwyn, its silly season and the vast majority of them will be rubbish, but I will be amazed if someone didn't put a bid in, whether the club will sell him is a different matter, as we all know everybody has their price.
Chopra is really a poacher, for the most part he has been used in midfield this season, because we haven't had the midfield we need. He missed a couple of opportunities yesterday but for most of the season he hasn't been able to get into those position. goals to chances( not shots) I think you will probably find he is the best at the club, so I wouldn't give up on him yet. Whatever happens both have repaid their transfers fees.
To get comfortable in the prem the club still needs to buy practically a full team if you take account of injuries and suspensions, defenders and midfield being a high priority
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And I get the feeling you trying to pollute this thread with a smart man reverse racism. Who is allyuh? Did you even take your time to read the posts? There are more posts giving Chopra props here than the ones that doh rate him and I could tell yuh it have some black Trinis that give him props right here on this thread. By the way, you must be a millionaire by now with that technology you have that could ascertain a person race in an anonymous forum.
Filho...I like the way you like to use the word pollute...where I am making a general observation. There is nothing wrong with addressing what others would like to say but are sometimes passive about and shrug off. I feel this to be very pertinent ..Is like asking why arent there more players other than MOSTLY of African heritage in the TNT national team and how do we address it and why isnt affirmative action being implemented ?
There is nutten passive about me on dis site. Everybody well know that. I call a spade a spade and will always challenge racism and bias on this site, so doh come wit dis ole talk about you making an observation. There is no hint of racism in this thread. the example you gave is not remotely related to this topic. this is simply a discussion about whether a footballer is good or not.
What you've said is basically no different to if someone had rate Chopra, and I came here and said..oh, allyuh only like de man cuz he is ah half indian. That's pretty much what you did and it sounds foolish and misguided. There are many threads where I shake my head at some of people's comments, and I had to step up and say something. there are indeed posters who seem to assume that all Trinis are black and they could say what they want here about non-blacks. But I deal with that when and where it rise up, not in an innocuous thread where everyone making their points strictly on footballing terms. The stupidity of your so-called observation, is that I can count at least two black posters who not only said Chopra was good, but consider him a better natural forward than KJ. Imagine that...black trinis bigging up a half white/half indian, non-Trini player over a black trini who getting all the hype. Hoss...you need to first go and reevaluate you biased assumptions about black trinis. generalization makes you just like the people yuh have a problem with..only worse, cuz yuh claiming to know better.
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Oh FFS fellas! This meant to be a thread bigging up Kenwyne on his performance today, and so by extension bigging up Sunderland on their win today.
Allyuh gone and turn it into another quarrelling session. ::)
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I go take some flak today too because I agree with some of the other posters. Chopra is more of a natural striiker than Jones. His movement off the ball found him in space where he had scoring or threatening opportunities. He has as much goals as Jones and he was playing on the wing. His finishing seems to be very good. I know Jones is supposed to hold up the ball and bring other players into the game but after he does that he seems lost. His movement into spaces leaves something to be desired. Jones also threw away today. Big strikers supposed to convert that or at least force a parry that another team mate has a chance at. In Jones' defense though he seemed a much better striker when he wasn't playing with his back to the goal.
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it might be me but Chopra as a striker does not impress me in the slightest bit..
to me he just look like a man on the field to run hard with he hunchback self..
that goal he scored today was poor defending imo, cause he did nothing special at all to beat his man..
there was another play where a defender accidentally gifted him the ball and he do some kinda madness and just loft de ball out of play, it really and truly look like a play from the SSFL. I don't even think he links that well with Jones.
I'd hope Sunderland get a striker with genuine quality to be a good foil for Jones, but Chopra as best should be a 4th striker option on the bench imo.
I think your opinion on Chopra is reflective as much of an opinion on Chopra's ability, as it is of the type of player that you (and we Trinis in general) like...From what I've seen this season, Chopra is a very industrious player who can hit the net when he gets the chance. His strike rate might actually be better than Jones' (he's only scored 2 less than Jones, and I ain't the team statistician, but I think Jones has had alot more looks on goal than Chopra)....and the quality of his goals are actually better than Jones' ...so the gap in quality between the two (as strikers) isn't really that big.
Jones is way more of a central figure at Sunderland than Chopra, but Chopra's role in the team this season was significant as well in my opinion, and he showed some versatility being able to fill more than one position. I think if he didn't have the "hunch-back" lol...and he made his job like a little graceful, he might escape your criticism...Just my take based on the type of players that we Trinis enjoy watching....
I might get cuss for this, but I'm still not fully convinced that Jones is a quality "striker". I think he's a tremendous athlete, and a decent utility football player, and striker is just one of the positions where he can hold his own especially in a team that relies on a big man target to aim at up front.... Despite Jones' talismanic role at Sunderland this year, if Keano is trying to inject true quality through big spending this year in the hopes of builing a smooth running football team as opposed to the route one smash & grab that Sunderland played this year, I'm not sure if Jones is gonna be that big player that the team is built around, as he was this season.
I agree totally.
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Kicker and Kev...............two excellent posts.......i agree with you guys totally, especially Kev's post......you saved me the time to type that out!!
ah love it!!
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ah fine allyuh blasted bias...fact is chopra was a newcastle understudy....only reason he didnt make it there cause he competing against Shearer...to me ...he givin jones competition and that is what keeping sunderland competitive in d forward line....
I get d feeling if Chopra was ah black man allyuh mighta big him up....but because he is neither black or trini....castigate him....right?
SHIT SHIT AND MORE FACKING SHIT ...CHOPRA IS AH GOAT regardless if he was black,white,chinee,trini,russian,swede,guyanese,brazilian,american,german,
pakistani,egyptian,martian,tobagonian,grenadian,hispanic,dutch..
.....STILL AH FACKING GOAT !!!
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big up to kenwyne
but that game was reaaaaal ugly jed...
with the drama of the late goal and all..it was hard to watch that shit
THANK YOU!!!
ah thought was me alone does be gritting meh teeth wid de kinda tata sunderland does be playing, i much rather see Kenwyne come off de bench for a big club than to watch friggin sunderland wid dis nonsense next year....oh, and i find chopra is ah shitsnake too!!!(even if he scored) So is Ivan Campos 1st and Andy Reid 2nd in the "Big-Boned" stakes?!?
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the only reason i watch Sunderland is cause we have trinis there....otherwise i gooodddddddd
and Sportsmax love to show some real tata games....bolton-fulham for example
that sunderland game was on par with a intercol game at a point...sad to say
but big up kenwyne...
i not gonna hope he go a big club and only come off the bench though...let him get as much playin time as possible
to go a Liverpool where they had real TALK of him goin, might be both good and bad....
good environment, experience to grow hopefully
but watch Crouch...he VERY underrated in my opinion and only warming bench even before Torres reach
that tough
Hope crouch go a side where he could start consistently once he eh turn into yorke and bullin a setta hoes with his keeper on camera! lol
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Chopra's runs are much better than Jones, ah hope Jones could improve dat very soon.
KJ if yuh readin this go and find tapes of Crespo, Del Piero and Batistuta, dem men is de absolute tops with off-the-ball running.
Azzurri how yuh stray so far yuh start talkin about how well yuh want Crouch to do?
Yuh musbe mean Jones right.
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Fyzoman & AZZURRI
You wont get an arguement from me about the quality of the team, I though I had said as much with the above post. The team is nothing better than a bottom 6 prem team. I thought the game was entertaining, but the football on show was schoolboy stuff especially the defending.
As I have explained before, the club didn't have a pot to piss in 2 seasons ago and a more limited squad than now and nobody decent wanted to manage or play for the club, not nice but a fact of life. Strangely enough that was part of the reson KJ ended up iat Sunderland because there was only interest from Derby and ourselves at the price being asked and Derby weren't that keen at the price.
If Roy Keane stays and that will be down to what the club sees as a future with regard to transfers, I would expect there will be only 1 or 2 players left in the team in 2 years time from what you seen at the weekend. Depending on who comes I suspect you will see a different style and hence the need for Kenwyn to improve his running off the ball, into the penalty area etc. If the money is made available Roy Keane will leave, he only has 1 year left on his contract.
I understand you watch a team with trini's and I have no problem with that( there have been many occasions over the years that I wish I didn't have a reason to support them ;), its a big close season for the club and both Carlos & Kenwyn, it will be interesting to see how it pans out.
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After my reply this was published so make of it what you will. I leave my thoughts until I start the Transfer Rumours Thread at the end of the season. I have little doubt thak RK will leave if he doesn't feel the club matches his ambition, whether he will be given as much as he wants is a different matter,
http://www.sunderlandecho.com/safc/Keane-Time-to-splash-the.4025393.jp
Keane: Time to splash the cash
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Roy Keane plans to take Sunderland to a new level – and knows it will cost big money!
The Black Cats boss says squad strengthening is the ongoing priority. And having clinched Premier League survival, Keane is now looking to build, writes Graeme Anderson.
He is deadly serious about wanting to bring in top quality new players and has left no-one in doubt that his ambition for the club does not stop at keeping it in the top flight.He said: "We would like £60m or £70m to spend now.
"I know it keeps going up every week. It was £40m a while ago, then it was £50m. No wonder board have gone in to hiding!
"But my job is to make sure we're higher up the table next season. We want to challenge the likes of the teams just above us.
"Maybe we got too carried away last year with our expectations when we got promoted but it has been tough for us.
"We don't know what the future holds but I can't imagine we'll have the same decisions go against us or have the same injuries as we've had this time around. But then, if it does happen then we should have a stronger squad.
"To succeed at this level you need a big squad and we've certainly been short of that. But I've been very lucky. Everything I asked of Niall and the investors has been fulfilled.
"We've had to change our mindset on a lot of things and now, if we want to get to certain top players, then we have to look at our pay structure.
"If you want the very best players they want to know where their 50-60 thousand pounds a week is."
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I real glad for Kenwyne, he usually gives a good showing of himself and week in anw week out causes a lot of concen for opposing defenders. That is not to say he doesn't have alot to improve on.
Yes he is usually the lone striker for the Black Cat as such he has to choose his running options wisely. However , sometimes he has a tendency to remove himself from the game. When u are a "danger man" as he clearly is on the Sunderland team , you have to get accustom to "attention" from the opposition and not get frustrated easily. He has great pace, but sometimes he does not use it to his advantage.
3 things to improve
1st touch, he over pushes alot and its due to his power and pace he can get away with it now
His trapping, sometimes I think he should be able to control the ball instead of flicking it on all the time, its like clockwork....his game is getting a bit predictable
Some added dribbling skills woul be helpful
Just my two cents.....he is the best player they have and should assert himself just a bit more, but good 1st season thus far.
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The fact Mr. Jones did was required of him and much more. As the Lone Ranger up front, Tonto occasionally showed up and assisted. He had his back to the goal a whole lot becasue he had no choice, he was a target man and had to look for the bal with his back to the goal myriad of times.
He can run at the goal and at defenders as was illustrated time and time again this season. He is an athelete in a game that calls for athelitism. He will do much better with a better mid field and with more acomplished players around him.
In the lower divisions he did exactly what he is criticized as not being good at doing now. He can hold up the ball, he can take on defenders, he is an excellent arieal threat, has great pace and strength, and has the ability to strike the ball with either foot. Best of all, he can score goals.
this season would have done much for his confidence and I expect him to fulfill the promise even more next year.
I remind all those who balked at his 6 mil move from Southampton with a " Kenwynne Who?" comment
He is Mr. Jones.
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Anyone know how badly KJ's injury was? I real hope that it was nothing serious and that he would be ready for WCQ against Bermuda
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Anyone know how badly KJ's injury was? I real hope that it was nothing serious and that he would be ready for WCQ against Bermuda
Not ah chance!!
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Say a pray Dr. just cool lawd
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if we need KJ to beat friggin Bermuda we really screwed
let him rest nah
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i heard he torn a ligament in his knee
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Well brudder what d coach say bout 1+1 in futbol
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David James not supposed to get red carded fuh dat foul on KJ?
Really hoping for a complete 100% recovery on this one. Keep strong Kenwyne
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That real hard boy. I just hope the man could be fit next season. Any time I see strap knee I does get frighten.
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D man eh get a card and after dat d joker wit d whistle give England d free kick
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And to think ah man cuss me fuh saying KJ shouldn't play lest he risk further injury...
so now someone's supposed to explain the benefits of defeating england to you? He's got a minor injury, chances are he wont sustain further damage taking part in the match. If he does and misses our first wcq match against a clearly inferior team, we'll still have more than enough quality to replace him.
Chances are you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Where did you get your medical degree from? How do you know that the chances are slim that he won't sustaing further damage...did you pull your head out your ass long enough to gaze into Ms. Cleo's crystal ball to derive that conclusion?
Your position is foolish, plain and simple. No matter how overmatched the following week's opponent might be on paper no one can say what the risk of injury would be. Compared to the potential impact on the qualifying campaign if KJ is subsequently lost for multiple games the argument simply put, is a non-starter.
chances are youre a dumb literal f**k.. no one is saying play him if there is a big risk of further injury. Hes got the off season, its a minor wrist injury. so what if he broke a nail? you go be saying the same damn thing? dont risk his injury...you know what, youre right, beating england isnt worth it. nothing good can come from that....clown.
I guess now he have de whole off season to rehab not only his wrist...but his knee as well.
Get better soon KJ.
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didnt see replays on tv yet...but from what it looked like, it was a clash of knees (i could be wrong)
and, he limped all the way across the stadium, and back onto the field when the game was over, so he could hav put some weight on it...so it may just be a bruised knee
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didnt see replays on tv yet...but from what it looked like, it was a clash of knees (i could be wrong)
and, he limped all the way across the stadium, and back onto the field when the game was over, so he could hav put some weight on it...so it may just be a bruised knee
bredder ah hope yuh RIGHT. positive.
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On this Sunderland forum they say that it has been confirmed as ligament damage:
http://www.safc-world.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=4207
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The BBC said it was "ligament damage"
To be honest, it was a 50/50 challenge. KJ in my opinion kinda stretch for it, leaving his leg explosed. Most other strikers would have pull out there, esp. in a friendly, but credit to his determination to score.
if James came just as hard, it was always going to end in injury for someone.
What I found VERY unprofessional, was how when he came off, Babwah allowed him try to walk around on his injured knee! I know KJ wanted to get back on the field real bad, but it's the job of the medical team to properly assess an injury to avoid further damage
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It have something called comon sense in this game and players have to know how and when to use it,in a game of this nature you can't take those kind of risks,when you risking yourself it must be for something.
David James eh fowl nobody it was 50/50 and both men went for the ball,is just that one wanted it more than the other,Kenwyne went in there half-way he must get hurt,look how England was playing, it had certain balls they was not even contesting,they was allowing T&T to make the mistakes,there was no cause to even exert themselves after they were two goals up.
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The BBC said it was "ligament damage"
To be honest, it was a 50/50 challenge. KJ in my opinion kinda stretch for it, leaving his leg explosed. Most other strikers would have pull out there, esp. in a friendly, but credit to his determination to score.
if James came just as hard, it was always going to end in injury for someone.
What I found VERY unprofessional, was how when he came off, Babwah allowed him try to walk around on his injured knee! I know KJ wanted to get back on the field real bad, but it's the job of the medical team to properly assess an injury to avoid further damage
Nothing unprofessional there.....that is part of the examination to determine the extent of the injury.
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Hear nah...i watching over the game and i see how that knee twist. I hope it eh too serious....
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Get well QUICKLY KJ
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what i want to know was what that cellophane wrap on the knee was supposed to accomplish..
Must be some modern marvel of medical science i never heard of before.
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what i want to know was what that cellophane wrap on the knee was supposed to accomplish..
Must be some modern marvel of medical science i never heard of before.
could it be to restrict the movement of the knee?
just guessing....did not see that
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That is the same thing that happened to me two years ago...resulted in reconstructive knee surgery for my ACL. The good thing about it is after the surgery and rehab I scored one of the best goal in my whole entire life playing the game. Lord help him Father.
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Premier League - Sunderland sweat on Jones knock
Eurosport - Mon, 02 Jun 13:37:00 2008
Sunderland have been left to sweat on the fitness of Kenwyne Jones after the Trinidad and Tobago striker suffered suspected knee ligament damage in a friendly against England.
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The 23-year-old was involved in a collision with England keeper David James after just seven minutes of the game in Port of Spain and was unable to take any further part in the match at the Hasely Crawford Stadium.
T&T officials confirmed after the game that Jones had suffered damage to his right knee. He will now undergo a scan to determine the full extent of the injury.
The news comes as a blow to Black Cats boss Roy Keane, who will be hoping the diagnosis is serious enough to prevent him from starting pre-season training with Sunderland on July 11.
Keane was thought to be unhappy about Jones's involvement in the game in the first place as the striker had only just recovered from a fractured wrist he suffered in Sunderland's final game of last season against Arsenal.
England ran out comfortable 3-0 winners in the Caribbean, Gareth Barry and Jermain Defoe (2) getting the goals.
Mike Hytner / Eurosport
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Well another sad thing is the technology and the medical staff, not available to diagnose such injuries at a moment notice...like they do for professionals athletes in other countries. They were rapping his knee with plastic rap/bag on the side line yesterday...terrible treatment for a pro athlete.
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People in foreign getting news before we: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=329964
Apparently the injury is not as bad as first thought.
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It really didn't look too bad to me. Got the feeling that RK was on the phone telling Jackular
not to put him back on ;D
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Jones to undergo MRI scan.
TTFF Media.
Striker Kenwyne Jones will undergo an MRI scan on Monday to determine the extent of his knee injury sustained in a clash with England goalkeeper David James in the first half of Sunday's 3-0 defeat to England.
Jones was stretchered off after the challenge and then spent the rest of the half in the dressing room after initially trying to see if he could made a return after just leaving the pitch. But no chances were taken and the T&T medics will know more of the suspected knee ligament damage on Monday. He has already been ruled out of Saturdays friendly against Jamaica.
Southampton striker Stern John who also went off injured in the second half with leg injury is not expected to be seriously affected and will remain in the squad depending on how things go over the next twenty-four hours. The T&T team will resume training on Tuesday at the Ato Boldon Stadium.
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Jones to undergo MRI scan.
TTFF Media.
Striker Kenwyne Jones will undergo an MRI scan on Monday to determine the extent of his knee injury sustained in a clash with England goalkeeper David James in the first half of Sunday's 3-0 defeat to England.
Jones was stretchered off after the challenge and then spent the rest of the half in the dressing room after initially trying to see if he could made a return after just leaving the pitch. But no chances were taken and the T&T medics will know more of the suspected knee ligament damage on Monday. He has already been ruled out of Saturdays friendly against Jamaica.
Southampton striker Stern John who also went off injured in the second half with leg injury is not expected to be seriously affected and will remain in the squad depending on how things go over the next twenty-four hours. The T&T team will resume training on Tuesday at the Ato Boldon Stadium.
damn. i wanted him to show the jakans who's the best player in the caribbean now
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somebody say Scottie?
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When will we c d big picture let dem from JA watch tapes of Sunderland plus all d brits done c he ah ready. D big pic gyuls and gyuals is Bermuda Sun June 15th lawdddddddd if we eh get it how d rest of d waggonist go get itttttttt
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if we need KJ to beat friggin Bermuda we really screwed
let him rest nah
:applause: Well said sah :beermug:. Get well soon KJ, nuff blessings my brother. HIGHLY BLESSED.
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When I look at some comments I does get scared!
Well another sad thing is the technology and the medical staff, not available to diagnose such injuries at a moment notice...like they do for professionals athletes in other countries. They were rapping his knee with plastic rap/bag on the side line yesterday...terrible treatment for a pro athlete.
What exactly does happen in other countries?Ice,constrictive device (Plastic possibly) to limit/localise internal bleeding or a robot fixing the knee one time?
How far is de place behind de stadium does do MRI and thing 2 hrs 5 hrs?
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Next door but it was close tight tight. U tink d JWFF after 100 yrs would ah make sure d place was open in case d remote possibility dat in d contact sport name futbol it may need a MRI. After all is 100 yrs
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how long can jone be out.. I think we should ship him back to sunder land and call him back for the WCQ group of 4
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When I look at some comments I does get scared!Well another sad thing is the technology and the medical staff, not available to diagnose such injuries at a moment notice...like they do for professionals athletes in other countries. They were rapping his knee with plastic rap/bag on the side line yesterday...terrible treatment for a pro athlete.
What exactly does happen in other countries?Ice,constrictive device (Plastic possibly) to limit/localise internal bleeding or a robot fixing the knee one time?
How far is de place behind de stadium does do MRI and thing 2 hrs 5 hrs?
Ironman doh get scared. Do you look at NBA basketball games in the US; or maybe pro football, or even soccer in places like England etc? They take care of the players, having the necessary medical instruments at the venue to deal with the pro’s right away. It was a comment base on not having a proper diagnose of the player injury within the same hour for us fans to know what’s going on…like that was a problem or you just feel like breezing yuh breath?
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When I look at some comments I does get scared!Well another sad thing is the technology and the medical staff, not available to diagnose such injuries at a moment notice...like they do for professionals athletes in other countries. They were rapping his knee with plastic rap/bag on the side line yesterday...terrible treatment for a pro athlete.
What exactly does happen in other countries?Ice,constrictive device (Plastic possibly) to limit/localise internal bleeding or a robot fixing the knee one time?
How far is de place behind de stadium does do MRI and thing 2 hrs 5 hrs?
Ironman doh get scared. Do you look at NBA basketball games in the US; or maybe pro football, or even soccer in places like England etc? They take care of the players, having the necessary medical instruments at the venue to deal with the pro’s right away. It was a comment base on not having a proper diagnose of the player injury within the same hour for us fans to know what’s going on…like that was a problem or you just feel like breezing yuh breath?
Yes breds that's true , but yuh missing one piece of the puzzle, marketing. our population is way to small for sports to be marketable. the U.S., england, france ect. have huge populations that could sustain those types of facilities BC of sponsorship and TV rites and the whole 10 yards.
our population is way to small to have a marketable sporting industry, that's why the ttff have to rely mainly on government subsidy, BC they cant make money like the english F.A. or any other hugely populated country for that matter.
even though the football is our main sport and we have great talent on the island, we still are unable to provide all the luxuries that are common in developed countries.
lets just draw on a scenario hypothetically, if the whole of trinidad used to come out in their # to watch our local leagues and supported it with their money and time, it still would not be marketable enough to afford and maintain such facilities.
sponsorship would not benefit that much from the sport except for tax write offs, but as far as huge profit margins, they would suffer BC of the lack of prospective costumers. there's no comparison between us and the more developed sporting countries.
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Me agre wit 2010 TTT say he gettin d best care 1 name eh have meh convince Noreiga. So KJ pack yuh bags and head back 2 Sunderland General Hospital I eh want 2 c u at POSGH
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And to think ah man cuss me fuh saying KJ shouldn't play lest he risk further injury...
Amazing how certain men gone quiet eh?
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And to think ah man cuss me fuh saying KJ shouldn't play lest he risk further injury...
Amazing how certain men gone quiet eh?
with all due respect, the original contention was he shouldn't play in case of further injury to the wrist..
the unrelated knee injury he suffered on sunday couldve happened at any time regardless.
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And to think ah man cuss me fuh saying KJ shouldn't play lest he risk further injury...
Amazing how certain men gone quiet eh?
with all due respect, the original contention was he shouldn't play in case of further injury to the wrist..
the unrelated knee injury he suffered on sunday couldve happened at any time regardless.
exactly, if KJ woulda collect ah jump kick tuh face, yuh woulda tell them, "told yuh so" ?
how was anyone to know that would happen?
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And to think ah man cuss me fuh saying KJ shouldn't play lest he risk further injury...
Amazing how certain men gone quiet eh?
with all due respect, the original contention was he shouldn't play in case of further injury to the wrist..
the unrelated knee injury he suffered on sunday couldve happened at any time regardless.
The debate wasn't really about injury, though. The debate was about the relative importance of the matches.
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And to think ah man cuss me fuh saying KJ shouldn't play lest he risk further injury...
Amazing how certain men gone quiet eh?
with all due respect, the original contention was he shouldn't play in case of further injury to the wrist..
the unrelated knee injury he suffered on sunday couldve happened at any time regardless.
exactly, if KJ woulda collect ah jump kick tuh face, yuh woulda tell them, "told yuh so" ?
how was anyone to know that would happen?
I may not be a doctor, but I know enough to know that the knee bone is not connected to the wrist bone and I certainly wasn't saying that the two injuries were related. Just reflecting on the irony of ths situation. Take it how you read it.
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The debate wasn't really about injury, though. The debate was about the relative importance of the matches.
Thanks for putting the goalposts back where they were in the first place
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Allyuh trying to be spin doctors?
Midknight re-read the quote you responded to. Do you not clearly see further injury or is it that he was carrying a knee injury into the England game?
The debate wasn't really about injury, though. The debate was about the relative importance of the matches.
doh try that DrySo. The debate was about the relative importance of the matches yes, but it only arose because of the debate about whether his wrist injury was worth the risk.
Him injuring his knee does not exonerate anybody's point.
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Allyuh trying to be spin doctors?
Midknight re-read the quote you responded to. Do you not clearly see further injury or is it that he was carrying a knee injury into the England game?
The debate wasn't really about injury, though. The debate was about the relative importance of the matches.
doh try that DrySo. The debate was about the relative importance of the matches yes, but it only arose because of the debate about whether his wrist injury was worth the risk.
Him injuring his knee does not exonerate anybody's point.
The debate arose because of the injury but it wasn't about the injury. Because nobody knew how serious the injury was. All we were saying was if there was any doubt, he should sit out the England game because the Bermuda game was more important.
Man say dat is madness. He could tie his hand behind his back or stick it in his waistband. He a strong black youth who does heal like magic and he must play. Because England vs TT is de most important game in sports history and everybody getting contracts.
Everybody involved say, if it safe, then he should play. The argument wasn't bout that at all. It was about the importance of the match.
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agreed.
but men running back in after the fact to say, "yuh see de same thing ah was saying. men quiet now boy."
that to me is inapplicable.
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Damn allyuh could bicker. point is , what the diagnosis on kenwyne, and how long would he be out for. BTW what is the diagnosis ?
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And to think ah man cuss me fuh saying KJ shouldn't play lest he risk further injury...
Amazing how certain men gone quiet eh?
with all due respect, the original contention was he shouldn't play in case of further injury to the wrist..
the unrelated knee injury he suffered on sunday couldve happened at any time regardless.
The debate wasn't really about injury, though. The debate was about the relative importance of the matches.
...and the prospect of getting injured and not being available for the qualifier.
As I specifically stated in the other thread when you weigh the benefits to be reaped from KJ playing, versus the potential negative consequences it was a no-brainer (my exact words). This argument developed particularly in light of the Scotland snub...we had many other options besides KJ.
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anybody here thinking about what he wanted ?
We saw him just before he flew out and the man was real excited and wanted to play bad. He is a big man and once medically fit he could decide if he want to play or not.
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hadda agree fully with Omar. the argument was not about the importance of the match...but the relative importance of the match, in the context of an existing injury that could have been made worse by playing in it. bringing the topic back up after KJ injured his knee not really making sense. they are not related. if he re-injured the wrist in an innocuous challenge and had to miss the Bermuda game..that would have been relevant. but noone was saying he should be rested to avoid injury...otherwise we shoulda be talking about resting the entire first team. The whole discussion was how much at risk the wrist was of being reinjured in the England game and was the game important enough to take that risk.
By the way..for some reason i can't read the first page of this thread..what is the extent of the injury?
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Alyuh read it however alyuh want. Dis ent worth it.
All I know is that England game done, Beckham and Co get they little caribbean cruise and a vague promise of help for the WC in 2018, Jack counting he money, KJ injured and we have a WCQ in less than 2 weeks.
The rest is just ole talk.
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Alyuh read it however alyuh want. Dis ent worth it.
All I know is that England game done, Beckham and Co get they little caribbean cruise and a vague promise of help for the WC in 2018, Jack counting he money, KJ injured and we have a WCQ in less than 2 weeks.
The rest is just ole talk.
true dat. but do u know the extent of the injury. for some reason my work blocking the first page of this discussion
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The purpose of this thread is to get Kenwyne's status......
What is his status?
48 hours after his injury, what is going on with him??
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hadda agree fully with Omar. the argument was not about the importance of the match...but the relative importance of the match, in the context of an existing injury that could have been made worse by playing in it. bringing the topic back up after KJ injured his knee not really making sense. they are not related. if he re-injured the wrist in an innocuous challenge and had to miss the Bermuda game..that would have been relevant. but noone was saying he should be rested to avoid injury...otherwise we shoulda be talking about resting the entire first team. The whole discussion was how much at risk the wrist was of being reinjured in the England game and was the game important enough to take that risk.
By the way..for some reason i can't read the first page of this thread..what is the extent of the injury?
With all due respect you probably need to go read the discussion again (if you haven't already done so), it's provided for you in the post I quoted on the first page. The debate was about playing KJ in a game that was essentially meaningless, given that he already had and existing injury, and given the risk of aggravating that injury...as well as given the overall risk of injury to him. The discussion was not about any other player but KJ...so it was limited to him and his overall circumstances. The discussion was centered on the fact that it was not important to play HIM.
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hadda agree fully with Omar. the argument was not about the importance of the match...but the relative importance of the match, in the context of an existing injury that could have been made worse by playing in it. bringing the topic back up after KJ injured his knee not really making sense. they are not related. if he re-injured the wrist in an innocuous challenge and had to miss the Bermuda game..that would have been relevant. but noone was saying he should be rested to avoid injury...otherwise we shoulda be talking about resting the entire first team. The whole discussion was how much at risk the wrist was of being reinjured in the England game and was the game important enough to take that risk.
By the way..for some reason i can't read the first page of this thread..what is the extent of the injury?
With all due respect you probably need to go read the discussion again (if you haven't already done so), it's provided for you in the post I quoted on the first page. The debate was about playing KJ in a game that was essentially meaningless, given that he already had and existing injury, and given the risk of aggravating that injury...as well as given the overall risk of injury to him. The discussion was not about any other player but KJ...so it was limited to him and his overall circumstances. The discussion was centered on the fact that it was not important to play HIM.
agreed. where did I say the discussionwas about anyone but KJ? i think we saying the exact same thing, except in my case and others in that same discussion, i never considered the risk of any other injury. he coulda injure his knee in training..that doh mean he shouldn't train. I think the game was relatively unimportant compared to the Bermuda game, but very important in terms of preparation. In my view..if fit and risk to EXISTING injury was low..he should play. Otherwise..avoid the risk and allow him more time to heal and save him for the big match.
anyhow..we all take different views on the topic I guess. In our case, the difference was relatively subtle.
i guess noone knows how bad the injury is
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Well another sad thing is the technology and the medical staff, not available to diagnose such injuries at a moment notice...like they do for professionals athletes in other countries. They were rapping his knee with plastic rap/bag on the side line yesterday...terrible treatment for a pro athlete.
You don't know what you are talking about.
No injury gets "Diagnosed" at a moment's notice. The function of the on field doctor is to determine the extent of the injury, i.e. can the player continue. The next step involves a full exam and secondary studies, e.g. Xrays, MRI etc. All of these elements need to be executed before a "Diagnosis" is made. The exception to the rule is like in Eduardo's injury where the damage is visible to the naked eye.
The cellophane wrap is actually used by most pro teams to wrap ice onto an area. The advantage is that it retains the water from dripping everywhere as the ice melts.
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agreed. where did I say the discussionwas about anyone but KJ? i think we saying the exact same thing, except in my case and others in that same discussion, i never considered the risk of any other injury. he coulda injure his knee in training..that doh mean he shouldn't train. I think the game was relatively unimportant compared to the Bermuda game, but very important in terms of preparation. In my view..if fit and risk to EXISTING injury was low..he should play. Otherwise..avoid the risk and allow him more time to heal and save him for the big match.
anyhow..we all take different views on the topic I guess. In our case, the difference was relatively subtle.
i guess noone knows how bad the injury is
Filho...maybe I'm misreading your position but this is what you said...
but noone was saying he should be rested to avoid injury...otherwise we shoulda be talking about resting the entire first team.
We don't have a first team or second/third team at this point...but marquee players coming off a full-season of play and carrying an injury into that England game wasn't really adding up as I saw it. Do I feel vindicated...or "exonerated" (as ah next man call it, lol). No. It sucks either way that KJ picked up an injury and is now lost for at least the start of qualifying. Had prudence prevailed and Kenwyne was made to sit out this game...well, we wouldn't be having this discussion now, would we?
For the record...I'm not sure that they've released further info as of yet. Hopefully we'll learn something of the MRI tomorrow.
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Goin back 2 Sunderland on saturday so no POSGH, SFGH or Mt. Hopeless
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Goin back 2 Sunderland on saturday so no POSGH, SFGH or Mt. Hopeless
weary please tell me what's the diagnosis if you know since no body can't tell meh. positive.
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Jones goes back to Sunderland for treatment
By: Gregory Trujillo (Guardian).
IT IS quite unlikely that Sunderland star Kenwyne Jones will recover in time to represent T&T in the first World Cup qualifier against Bermuda on June 15 in T&T.
T&T team doctor, Terrance Babwah confirmed yesterday that results of the MRI scan showed a ligament injury to the right knee of the 23-year-old lanky striker.
Rather than undergoing treatment here, Jones will be returning immediately to Sunderland Dr Babwah revealed.
“Kenwyne will be on his way back to Sunderland for the club’s knee surgeon to look at the injury,” stated Babwah.
“How long he would be out will be determined by what the doctors at Sunderland say,” Babwah added. “They (the doctors) will either do rehabilitation or go inside his knee.
“Everything is totally dependent on the surgeons who will be seeing him.
“After that, anything else would depend on the Sunderland management with regards to when he returns to play for the Soca Warriors.
Jones injured his knee when he was flattened by England goalkeeper David James in his first touch of the ball in the sixth minute of the friendly international match-up on Sunday at Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo.
(http://www.guardian.co.tt/jones%20and%20dennisjpg.jpg)
T&T’s striker Kenwyne Jones with his heavily bandaged right knee in conversation with defender Dennis Lawrence. Photo: Anthony Harris
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Thank u Eman let us all pray dat he eh have 2 go under d knife
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Cats' medical team want Jones back on Wearside
The Northern Echo
KENWYNE Jones will fly back to Sunderland within the next 24 hours after an initial scan on his injured knee proved inconclusive.
Monday's tests revealed ligament damage in Jones' right knee, but the extent of the problem will not be known until the swelling in the area has subsided sufficiently.
Therefore, Jones has been instructed to return to Wearside so that Sunderland's medical staff can carry out their own tests and begin treatment accordingly.
The Black Cats striker is expected to fly out of Trinidad later this evening, and it is hoped that a further series of scans can be conducted by Friday at the latest.
That would allow treatment to begin to at the start of next week and, provided the problem relates to Jones' medial ligaments rather than his cruciates, there is still a chance that he could be available for the start of the Premier League season.
If a second round of tests reveal cruciate damage, however, Jones could be sidelined for significantly longer.
"An MRI scan was carried out on Monday, and further observation was done on Tuesday morning," said Trinidad & Tobago FA spokesman Shaun Fuentes. "There are signs of ligament damage, but Kenwyne will be flying back to Sunderland for further observation and treatment this week."
Jones' team-mate, Carlos Edwards, will remain in Trinidad to play in the Soca Warriors' forthcoming World Cup qualifiers against Jamaica and Bermuda.
Meanwhile, New Zealand rugby union coach Graham Henry has spoken of his admiration for Roy Keane as the Black Cats boss spends a week monitoring the All Blacks' preparations ahead of this month's two-Test series with England.
Keane travelled to New Zealand as part of his UEFA Pro Licence course after New Zealand and Wellington Phoenix coach Ricki Herbert, who is also studying for a Pro Licence, arranged for the duo to link up with the most famous side in world rugby.
Keane attended a New Zealand training session yesterday, and Henry has revealed that the All Blacks' players have been grilling the Irishman about his own experiences as both a player and manager.
"He has been great to talk to, very bubbly," said Henry. "Richie (All Blacks captain Richie McCaw) had lunch with him (yesterday). I don't think they chatted about leadership at all, but they chatted about their experiences.
"Roy has a few of those which are good to listen to, and it's good to have a guy of his esteem in the group that we can share some experiences with.
"Everybody knows him and respects him for what he has done in sport and it's great that he chose to be here with the All Blacks as part of the requirements for his final coaching certificate in football."
Former Sunderland striker Andrew Cole has been in talks with Championship side Norwich City.
Cole, who was released after making just eight appearances for the Black Cats last season, spoke to former Newcastle boss Glenn Roeder after turning down an opportunity to join Burnley.
Sunderland have announced a third pre-season friendly in the Republic of Ireland. The Black Cats will face Keane's former club, Cobh Ramblers, on Monday, July 28.
Keane played for Ramblers, who gained promotion to the Eircom League of Ireland Premier Division last season, before joining Nottingham Forest in 1990.
Next month's friendly will be played at Turner's Cross, the home of Cork City (ko 7.30pm), and ticket details will be released shortly.
Sunderland will also travel to Ireland to play Athlone Town (August 7) and Shamrock Rovers (August 9) during this summer's pre-season schedule.
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Let us all pray dat d man could run out 4 Sunderland lawd pressure 4 d yute
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Jones goes back to Sunderland for treatment
By: Gregory Trujillo (Guardian).
IT IS quite unlikely that Sunderland star Kenwyne Jones will recover in time to represent T&T in the first World Cup qualifier against Bermuda on June 15 in T&T.
T&T team doctor, Terrance Babwah confirmed yesterday that results of the MRI scan showed a ligament injury to the right knee of the 23-year-old lanky striker.
Rather than undergoing treatment here, Jones will be returning immediately to Sunderland Dr Babwah revealed.
“Kenwyne will be on his way back to Sunderland for the club’s knee surgeon to look at the injury,” stated Babwah.
“How long he would be out will be determined by what the doctors at Sunderland say,” Babwah added. “They (the doctors) will either do rehabilitation or go inside his knee.
“Everything is totally dependent on the surgeons who will be seeing him.
“After that, anything else would depend on the Sunderland management with regards to when he returns to play for the Soca Warriors.
Jones injured his knee when he was flattened by England goalkeeper David James in his first touch of the ball in the sixth minute of the friendly international match-up on Sunday at Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo.
(http://www.guardian.co.tt/jones%20and%20dennisjpg.jpg)
T&T’s striker Kenwyne Jones with his heavily bandaged right knee in conversation with defender Dennis Lawrence. Photo: Anthony Harris
For a minuite i thought kenwyne was whitley yes. is now roy go play all kinda games with sending him back to play for qualifying. when does the semifinal round starts ?
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Filho...maybe I'm misreading your position but this is what you said...
but noone was saying he should be rested to avoid injury...otherwise we shoulda be talking about resting the entire first team.
We don't have a first team or second/third team at this point...but marquee players coming off a full-season of play and carrying an injury into that England game wasn't really adding up as I saw it. Do I feel vindicated...or "exonerated" (as ah next man call it, lol). No. It sucks either way that KJ picked up an injury and is now lost for at least the start of qualifying. Had prudence prevailed and Kenwyne was made to sit out this game...well, we wouldn't be having this discussion now, would we?
For the record...I'm not sure that they've released further info as of yet. Hopefully we'll learn something of the MRI tomorrow.
Bakes, like you, I was only ever talking about KJ. My belief was that the conversation was based purely on the context of him having an existing injury. I think it is clear that within the conversation different people were making different arguments for resting KJ. In the sentence you highlight..I used the word shoulda. As in, if the conversation was actually just about resting KJ from a meaningless game, then we shoulda be talking about resting Carlos, Talles, Stern, Whitley and anyone else who is a sure starter (that is what I meant by 1st 11...maybe I should have said sure starters). so, no..i wasn't talking about anyone else either..just a hypothetical statement to make a point....
next question..since when Talles come out of retirement? breds..I on this site every day and only reading bout Lawrence in the lineup and wondering if is Big Den dey talking bout... ??? how I miss dat
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Aug 20 A Sep 6 H
Sep 10 A Oct 11 A
Then d book eh make sense
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next question..since when Talles come out of retirement? breds..I on this site every day and only reading bout Lawrence in the lineup and wondering if is Big Den dey talking bout... ??? how I miss dat
Yuh know dat's true... now that you mentioned it I think I'd read that he had retired from Int'l play as well... and yet here he was w/o any fanfare or announcement. As well it should be...but yeah, dat one kinda slipped in under the radar.
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http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=330257
alyuh read this all kinda madness yes
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next question..since when Talles come out of retirement? breds..I on this site every day and only reading bout Lawrence in the lineup and wondering if is Big Den dey talking bout... ??? how I miss dat
Yuh know dat's true... now that you mentioned it I think I'd read that he had retired from Int'l play as well... and yet here he was w/o any fanfare or announcement. As well it should be...but yeah, dat one kinda slipped in under the radar.
He was recalled since March: http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=34369.0
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next question..since when Talles come out of retirement? breds..I on this site every day and only reading bout Lawrence in the lineup and wondering if is Big Den dey talking bout... ??? how I miss dat
Yuh know dat's true... now that you mentioned it I think I'd read that he had retired from Int'l play as well... and yet here he was w/o any fanfare or announcement. As well it should be...but yeah, dat one kinda slipped in under the radar.
He was recalled since March: http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=34369.0
Oh...okay, completely missed that, thanks.
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next question..since when Talles come out of retirement? breds..I on this site every day and only reading bout Lawrence in the lineup and wondering if is Big Den dey talking bout... ??? how I miss dat
Yuh know dat's true... now that you mentioned it I think I'd read that he had retired from Int'l play as well... and yet here he was w/o any fanfare or announcement. As well it should be...but yeah, dat one kinda slipped in under the radar.
He was recalled since March: http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=34369.0
Oh...okay, completely missed that, thanks.
Missed it too...But a recall to the squad eh really explain how he come out of retirement quiet quiet so. When Talles say he done, meh belly hurt meh. One of our best defenders leave de scene and he have real years in him. So I figure when he come back it woulda be big big news.
Say wha'..glad he back
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Anybody get any word on his injury?
SOme men on sunderland site predicting gloom and doom...other say is a small ting he good and nuttin wrong.
Wais d real scene with him.
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i see some men on the Sunderland forum saying is cruciate ligament and he out for the whole of next season, and guffing up dey chest about getting that from a bess source...
i get worried at first, cause you know how dem fellas was on point about the Carlos injury..
But if it was really cruciate, no way he coulda be standing up smiling and laughing after the game with his knee bandage up (in spite of the miraculous healing powers of the cellophane wrap).
I find though that it worrying that we cyah get some definite news as yet.
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Anybody get any word on his injury?
SOme men on sunderland site predicting gloom and doom...other say is a small ting he good and nuttin wrong.
Wais d real scene with him.
He's not due for further tests until tomorrow (http://www.newsday.co.tt/sport/0,80270.html) so we'll have to wait a bit more.
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i see some men on the Sunderland forum saying is cruciate ligament and he out for the whole of next season, and guffing up dey chest about getting that from a bess source...
i get worried at first, cause you know how dem fellas was on point about the Carlos injury..
But if it was really cruciate, no way he coulda be standing up smiling and laughing after the game with his knee bandage up (in spite of the miraculous healing powers of the cellophane wrap).
I find though that it worrying that we cyah get some definite news as yet.
man I pray for yuh KJ that it is a minor injury and everything is good
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hold up with the panic- I believe he's not getting to Sunderland until Saturday. is it saturday in England already? ;D
let us just wait and see...
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hold up with the panic- I believe he's not getting to Sunderland until Saturday. is it saturday in England already? ;D
let us just wait and see...
I am sure I read somewhere about someone else that had a similar injury that flying for a long time without giving it time to settle a bit could make the injury worse. Everybody like to brag they know whats going on but the truth wont be known until next week when the tests are done hopefully with the swelling down so they can get a decent idea whats up.
I hope to God its not cruciate because that is real trouble and a long time, if it is I wonder if T&TFA will be paying his wages next season, or has Jakula got that one covered aswell?
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Missed it too...But a recall to the squad eh really explain how he come out of retirement quiet quiet so.
Tallest retirement was always implicitly linked to the blacklist. Remember he was selected for the Gold Cup and pulled out, and then announced his retirement afterwards. Logic suggests that the "lifting" of the blacklist was his sign to come back.
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Missed it too...But a recall to the squad eh really explain how he come out of retirement quiet quiet so.
Tallest retirement was always implicitly linked to the blacklist. Remember he was selected for the Gold Cup and pulled out, and then announced his retirement afterwards. Logic suggests that the "lifting" of the blacklist was his sign to come back.
i figured that might be the case. but like you say..de blacklist get "lifted". I sure Talles realize some men still on the outs, so I had my doubts that could be his reason. plus, you figured he'd make a lil announcement anyway.
so was de scene wid KJ. dis is a real mystery injury oui.
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now for those who watched the Switzerland v Czech game today, they would have seen the injury that Frei suffered from an innocuous looking challenge. They would have seen him limp off on the sidelines and walk off in tears knowing it was a knee injury that would rule him out of the tournament.
but this report here now have me really worried, since I didnt think it was possible to walk or limp on a ruptured cruciate. So now I'm really worried about KJ.
Swiss hit by Frei injury concern
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/euro_2008/switzerland/7370946.stm
Switzerland coach Koebi Kuhn believes captain Alexander Frei could have cruciate ligament damage, which would end his Euro 2008 participation.
The striker picked up the knee injury just before half-time during their 1-0 defeat by Czech Republic.
"It is a shock, a disaster to lose our captain in the first game - I can only hope it is not too serious," said Kuhn.
"He's in hospital and they will look at the test results. Perhaps it is a
rupture of his cruciate ligament."
Frei is Switzerland's all-time leading scorer with 35 goals.
Meanwhile, Kuhn said his team should be proud of their display, despite losing their tournament opener.
The home side were undone by a second-half strike from Vaclav Sverkos.
"I told them they can leave the stadium with their heads held high," stated Kuhn, who will step down as coach at the end of the tournament.
Petr Cech admits his side had some luck against the Swiss
"Now we have to forget about this game and concentrate on the next match, against Turkey."
Kuhn added: "Our chances of going through have certainly not increased but we still believe.
"Everything is still possible and we are not going to give up. We must build on what we did here today.
"We had the chances to at least have drawn the match and we could easily have won it but that is football, it is not about justice. This game is over for us now but not the Euros."
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now for those who watched the Switzerland v Czech game today, they would have seen the injury that Frei suffered from an innocuous looking challenge. They would have seen him limp off on the sidelines and walk off in tears knowing it was a knee injury that would rule him out of the tournament.
but this report here now have me really worried, since I didnt think it was possible to walk or limp on a ruptured cruciate. So now I'm really worried about KJ.
Swiss hit by Frei injury concern
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/euro_2008/switzerland/7370946.stm
Switzerland coach Koebi Kuhn believes captain Alexander Frei could have cruciate ligament damage, which would end his Euro 2008 participation.
The striker picked up the knee injury just before half-time during their 1-0 defeat by Czech Republic.
"It is a shock, a disaster to lose our captain in the first game - I can only hope it is not too serious," said Kuhn.
"He's in hospital and they will look at the test results. Perhaps it is a
rupture of his cruciate ligament."
Frei is Switzerland's all-time leading scorer with 35 goals.
Meanwhile, Kuhn said his team should be proud of their display, despite losing their tournament opener.
The home side were undone by a second-half strike from Vaclav Sverkos.
"I told them they can leave the stadium with their heads held high," stated Kuhn, who will step down as coach at the end of the tournament.
Petr Cech admits his side had some luck against the Swiss
"Now we have to forget about this game and concentrate on the next match, against Turkey."
Kuhn added: "Our chances of going through have certainly not increased but we still believe.
"Everything is still possible and we are not going to give up. We must build on what we did here today.
"We had the chances to at least have drawn the match and we could easily have won it but that is football, it is not about justice. This game is over for us now but not the Euros."
Remember Marvin Andrews!!!!
It is concievable not only to walk but also to play with a ruptured ACL.
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Dog was de first man cross my mind...but I decide to just leave it alone.
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Well another sad thing is the technology and the medical staff, not available to diagnose such injuries at a moment notice...like they do for professionals athletes in other countries. They were rapping his knee with plastic rap/bag on the side line yesterday...terrible treatment for a pro athlete.
You don't know what you are talking about.
No injury gets "Diagnosed" at a moment's notice. The function of the on field doctor is to determine the extent of the injury, i.e. can the player continue. The next step involves a full exam and secondary studies, e.g. Xrays, MRI etc. All of these elements need to be executed before a "Diagnosis" is made. The exception to the rule is like in Eduardo's injury where the damage is visible to the naked eye.
The cellophane wrap is actually used by most pro teams to wrap ice onto an area. The advantage is that it retains the water from dripping everywhere as the ice melts.
Thank you for the comment Dr. Diagnosed. So when will Mr. Jones be ready to play again...can you please give us an update? ??? Yuh gladess; you hold on to one word "diagnosed" and run with it like ah clown. Thank you for the definition of the word “Diagnosis” Sir. You missing my point, but you is thee Doctor.
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I really like this kid, god honest i really do. but this fella seem like he's ready to go back to the championship, BC for the past three yrs i've seen him in the prem, the fella plays well in the first three months of the season matching goal tally with the best of them, but come 2nd half of the season and the boy does break down like an old morris/austin cambridge.
for the past four games i've been watching KJ and i have to say this kid is playing like he's contented playing for struggling mid table teams.
the man playing like he's already made it, played for the best clubs and have silver wear and meddles in his cabinet from EPL, champions league and FA/ carling cup together and just killin time @ stoke waiting to retire.
if KJ have any ambitions of playing in ah better team set up, then he needs to step up his games and attract attention from big clubs where he could make good money and play with teammates who could bring out his true potential and raise his stock, or else he would be just another benjani or marlon hearwood.
this is what i hate about our players (with the exception of yoke), they does start hot and sweaty, and as soon as their name call twice too often, then they does adopt ah lackadaisical stride (as to say, i made it) instead of pushing further for greatness. just look @ tevez, pavlyuchenko or even carlton cole, them men does run like they playing for their freedom.
KJ needs to take a page from pavlyuchenko and his work rate.
PS:KJ yuh done know ah love yuh bredder, and in no wise trying to malign yuh, but yuh need tuh get wicked and bad minded wid the football bro, you could do it, yuhs ah star fella, and stars does shine big and bright! i have confidence in yuh! get it done son!
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who is morris austin cambridge ???
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who is morris austin cambridge ???
It'a an old make of car that was prevalent in T&T in the colonial and post colonial era, they broke down a lot, i think it's ah british product.
here take ah look. http://www.classic-austin-morris.oldclassiccar.co.uk/photo_austin_cambridge.htm
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who is morris austin cambridge ???
It'a an old make of car that was prevalent in T&T in the colonial and post colonial era, they broke down a lot, i think it's ah british product.
here take ah look. http://www.classic-austin-morris.oldclassiccar.co.uk/photo_austin_cambridge.htm
an apt description indeed
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The Stoke fans are starting to turn on him as well.
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I want to agreewith Just Cool. His former Coach did say that he was too laid back and added something about the Caribbean mentality.
Kj has thje ability of making height that few possess as wel as his physicality to run pass defence players but is not using it to the max. A friend of mine who likes him said it is basically laziness.
I think he believes that he has arrived and that middle of the table teams likeSstokes should be happy to have him.
Thje Good is often the enemy of the Best.
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The TTFF did not help by giving KJ T&T player of the year award and making him feel he already reach despite the fact that he's hasn't kicked a ball or scored a goal for T&T in years!
Maybe KJ is just happy to get paid and is killing time until he's ready to retire! Maybe he feels he has nothing more to prove right now as he's T&T players of the year. So none of his other Stoke team-mates can walk in his shoes and boast of winning such an award from their country!!
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who is morris austin cambridge
I wuz goin tuh say KJ iz like ah Cortina..and Yorke wuz like ah Royal Saloon
Jason Scotland iz like ah Kingswood
Carlos Edwards does wuk like ah 280C
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If as Dreamer claims, KJ really said that he doh care what we here on SW.net/WN.com have to say and wants nothing to do with us... why are we even bothering?
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Carew take over the big target man role and looks a lot more active than KJ in the same role.
KJ's effort is deficient.
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JC I have watched Kenwyne with interest, I don't even think the Stoke fans have yet seen what he is capable of, like the 1st 6 months at Sunderland. He scored earlier on in the season but really wasn't involved much in the matches (the one's I seen anyway).
He is one of the most frustrating players I have ever seen, you see players waste their talents because of drink, gambling, too much money too young etc., but Kenwyne doesn't seem the type to do this. I thought for a while that he was far too comfortable at Sunderland and needed competition for his place, which never arrived, I also thought he would have a good 6 months or so then would see what he form was like then, but apart from a very few glimpses its not really improved that much from what I have seen. As you say I think he is suffering from arrivatitis, possibily being spoilt at Sunderland.
I think thats why some fans turned against him, because they knew what he was capable of and just never seen it often enough, hence the tag of being lazy or just not arsed. The Stoke fans haven't been happy with him for a good while now. Stoke play a system which involves big players that can jump, he is Pulis's wet dream and thats why Stoke bought him, it was no major surprise when they sold 2 footballers last week.
There is nothing more fickle than football fans and a couple of goals will see him lorded again by them, but it will take a lot more than that for a manager of a good side to take a chance on him. I don't think Bruce handled him at all well and made it very obvious early on, but by the same token Kenwyne didn't/isn't helping himself either.
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If as Dreamer claims, KJ really said that he doh care what we here on SW.net/WN.com have to say and wants nothing to do with us... why are we even bothering?
Well lets examine that statement, dreamer claimed. first off , dreamer has to produce proof, and if KJ really did say that, who's to say that he meant it.
and if he did say it and it sound like he meant it, still don't mean he did, the fact that he knows who the SWMB is, means that he visits and knows what we stand for, and it's hard to believe that he said that BC it sounds illogical since we venerate and support our boys to a fault, so KJ have to be ah staring mad man to make such an ungratefull statement.
i have tuh hear it from his own mouth to believe it, or maybe his god father coop could shed some light on that statement.
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If as Dreamer claims, KJ really said that he doh care what we here on SW.net/WN.com have to say and wants nothing to do with us... why are we even bothering?
Well lets examine that statement, dreamer claimed. first off , dreamer has to produce proof, and if KJ really did say that, who's to say that he meant it.
and if he did say it and it sound like he meant it, still don't mean he did, the fact that he knows who the SWMB is, means that he visits and knows what we stand for, and it's hard to believe that he said that BC it sounds illogical since we venerate and support our boys to a fault, so KJ have to be ah staring mad man to make such an ungratefully statement.
i have tuh hear it from his own mouth to believe it, or maybe his god father coop could shed some light on that statement.
Dreamer doesn't have to prove a hypothetical. The rest of what you say sounds like fan-boy rationalization.
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If as Dreamer claims, KJ really said that he doh care what we here on SW.net/WN.com have to say and wants nothing to do with us... why are we even bothering?
Well lets examine that statement, dreamer claimed. first off , dreamer has to produce proof, and if KJ really did say that, who's to say that he meant it.
and if he did say it and it sound like he meant it, still don't mean he did, the fact that he knows who the SWMB is, means that he visits and knows what we stand for, and it's hard to believe that he said that BC it sounds illogical since we venerate and support our boys to a fault, so KJ have to be ah staring mad man to make such an ungratefully statement.
i have tuh hear it from his own mouth to believe it, or maybe his god father coop could shed some light on that statement.
Dreamer doesn't have to prove a hypothetical. The rest of what you say sounds like fan-boy rationalization.
So what you saying, dreamer made ah supposition about KJ and i have tuh go wid dat? how fackin absurd.
as for being a fan , yes i am, and so are you , to be up 345 in the mornin talking football is some serious fanzone shyte ;D, which is the way it should be if yuh passionate about something, but i must say, i'm not ah blind follower/ fan.
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JC I have watched Kenwyne with interest, I don't even think the Stoke fans have yet seen what he is capable of, like the 1st 6 months at Sunderland. He scored earlier on in the season but really wasn't involved much in the matches (the one's I seen anyway).
He is one of the most frustrating players I have ever seen, you see players waste their talents because of drink, gambling, too much money too young etc., but Kenwyne doesn't seem the type to do this. I thought for a while that he was far too comfortable at Sunderland and needed competition for his place, which never arrived, I also thought he would have a good 6 months or so then would see what he form was like then, but apart from a very few glimpses its not really improved that much from what I have seen. As you say I think he is suffering from arrivatitis, possibily being spoilt at Sunderland.
I think thats why some fans turned against him, because they knew what he was capable of and just never seen it often enough, hence the tag of being lazy or just not arsed. The Stoke fans haven't been happy with him for a good while now. Stoke play a system which involves big players that can jump, he is Pulis's wet dream and thats why Stoke bought him, it was no major surprise when they sold 2 footballers last week.
There is nothing more fickle than football fans and a couple of goals will see him lorded again by them, but it will take a lot more than that for a manager of a good side to take a chance on him. I don't think Bruce handled him at all well and made it very obvious early on, but by the same token Kenwyne didn't/isn't helping himself either.
Kev this is what i'm afraid of. i've noticed that stoke city was the only team in for him in the summer transfer window, and in this past transfer no one came calling, i'm afraid the cats out the bag and his stocks has plummeted considerably.
he needs to revive his career, it's been a long time since KJ scored for our national team, fellas like kerry baptiste and darryl roberts (two of our national teams forwards who will kill to be in KJ's shoes) are far more hungry and deserving of a call up for our national squad BC they have out performed and scored more vital goals than kenwyne.
KJ better take heed and stop lallygagging, or else he may find himself right back in the championship or on some struggling newly promoted team earning less paper.
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So what you saying, dreamer made ah supposition about KJ and i have tuh go wid dat? how fackin absurd.
I deliberately started with "if"... that makes it a hypothetical. Don't need proof for a hypothetical.
Had I said "Dreamer says... so why should we even bother", then that would be a different issue.
as for being a fan , yes i am, and so are you , to be up 345 in the mornin talking football is some serious fanzone shyte ;D, which is the way it should be if yuh passionate about something, but i must say, i'm not ah blind follower/ fan.
I up cuz I have a deadline to meet in a couple weeks... and posting only to break the routine.
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So what you saying, dreamer made ah supposition about KJ and i have tuh go wid dat? how fackin absurd.
I deliberately started with "if"... that makes it a hypothetical. Don't need proof for a hypothetical.
Had I said "Dreamer says... so why should we even bother", then that would be a different issue.
as for being a fan , yes i am, and so are you , to be up 345 in the mornin talking football is some serious fanzone shyte ;D, which is the way it should be if yuh passionate about something, but i must say, i'm not ah blind follower/ fan.
I up cuz I have a deadline to meet in a couple weeks... and posting only to break the routine.
Yuh notice the grinin smiley thingy @ the end of the statement? that signifies that i'm puttin ah lil humor in the thing, i know yuhs ah lawyer bro, and i guess it's the reason for being up late, i figur that much.
just humoring friend.
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JC I have watched Kenwyne with interest, I don't even think the Stoke fans have yet seen what he is capable of, like the 1st 6 months at Sunderland. He scored earlier on in the season but really wasn't involved much in the matches (the one's I seen anyway).
He is one of the most frustrating players I have ever seen, you see players waste their talents because of drink, gambling, too much money too young etc., but Kenwyne doesn't seem the type to do this. I thought for a while that he was far too comfortable at Sunderland and needed competition for his place, which never arrived, I also thought he would have a good 6 months or so then would see what he form was like then, but apart from a very few glimpses its not really improved that much from what I have seen. As you say I think he is suffering from arrivatitis, possibily being spoilt at Sunderland.
I think thats why some fans turned against him, because they knew what he was capable of and just never seen it often enough, hence the tag of being lazy or just not arsed. The Stoke fans haven't been happy with him for a good while now. Stoke play a system which involves big players that can jump, he is Pulis's wet dream and thats why Stoke bought him, it was no major surprise when they sold 2 footballers last week.
There is nothing more fickle than football fans and a couple of goals will see him lorded again by them, but it will take a lot more than that for a manager of a good side to take a chance on him. I don't think Bruce handled him at all well and made it very obvious early on, but by the same token Kenwyne didn't/isn't helping himself either.
Kev this is what i'm afraid of. i've noticed that stoke city was the only team in for him in the summer transfer window, and in this past transfer no one came calling, i'm afraid the cats out the bag and his stocks has plummeted considerably.
he needs to revive his career, it's been a long time since KJ scored for our national team, fellas like kerry baptiste and darryl roberts (two of our national teams forwards who will kill to be in KJ's shoes) are far more hungry and deserving of a call up for our national squad BC they have out performed and scored more vital goals than kenwyne.
KJ better take heed and stop lallygagging, or else he may find himself right back in the prem or on some struggling newly promoted team earning less paper.
I haven't a clue what the deal was but I know Pulis made a big thing at the time of how Sunderland cut the deal so they effectively paid the difference in wages that Stoke are paying him, as to what he was being paid at Sunderland, more than a fair few comments on here about it aswell.
I can't help wonder how he sees that himself, mentally. Did he just shrug his shoulders and think hey great I've been paid for nowt, does he now think he has took a backwards step because he is being paid less (even though he has been paid the difference already), does it just not bother him. He has made enough to see him right for the rest of his life so is he just not bothered anymore.
The summer is going to be an interesting time for him, given Stoke tried to buy Ba (on the cheap) and whether Pulis is going to get in more competition for him. There is a shortage of the types Pulis likes so maybe he will struggle, but he is not one to take any prisoners if get on the wrong side of him.
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bout Firebrand's quote..yes Kenwyne did say that bout SW.net & WN
had bout a 10 of us or so at the hotel after the Nashville game
so as someone say why even bother bout him if thats his attitude
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Is so funny people say to get the best out of KJ yuh have to send him to a good team and all that shyte.
Stoke have two very good wingers who serves him the balls he needs .. he simply looks uninterested and lethargic ..... it's nothing about the man talent or the system or anything like that ... it is all about the man's desire and hence his atitude.
Carew is his size but no where near as athletic but his desire is there for all to see because he has something to prove. I understand the man has had some personal issues (but shit everybody got problems) but at the end of the day this is his job. If I go to work (personal issues or not) and not doing what they pay me to do.. I will get walked out!
KJ is getting incredibly close to me rating him as I do Torres as one of the most overrated players around ... they'll have to put him on the bench soon and I'd have to say "he really made a great effort to get there".
I wouldn't even call him back for the national team.. I don't see the reason ... I'd go with Kerry Baptiste.
Let me give you my definition of irony ... Kerry Baptiste is one of the most hard working players I see in T&T and they played him on the wings where he did well but didn't really get foreign pro opportunities, they converted him to striker and found out that he has some serious finishing ability and his chances to even get a trial are coming when he is aged 29 and, he is still working his ass off whereas Mr. KJ was converted from a defvender to a striker based on natural athleticism and size where he has NOT been a hit, he has shown poor work ethic yet he is playing in the premier league and is being given chance after chance after chance and is f**king it up, no desire.
The work ethic I used to love about this kid is now non existent (do you guys remember this kid vs paraguay in the world cup? he came on and amazed me).
I'm not here to bring down a man because of opportunity but to blow an opportunity like this when others are working so hard to even get the chance to get so much less just f**ks with my mind all day ... that to me is unforgiveable!
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The last time I said it, people got mad.
The thing is, people blame Stoke, Sunderland, who ever... and yet the other strikers their are scoring every game, Bent was among the EPL top goal scorer two years in a row... and I know some of the goals the other strikers score were off KJ, but when its reverse why isn't KJ taking advantage of the opportunity as well ?
He's not even starting anymore with Carew there now, who will be flying our flag in the UK now, eh Palos, yuh hiding .... 8)
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Jones is just not a prolific goal scorer at that level.I'm not trying to denigrate him. He's probably good enough to get 10 goals a season or 20 in a lower division. In national colours he's never distinguished himself as a goalscorer either. Maybe he's not a striker.
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Dude is a loofer! During the match on Saturday Stokes had a break and instead of bussin a gut to be a target in the area for a cross or pass, dude was joggin forward like he didn't want to receive the ball for a play. Seen he do that a few times which is why I was surprise when I read that he was considered one of the fastest in the league. When did he ever turn the burners on to be considered one of the fastest? I think sometimes he doesn't put him self in positions to receive the ball because he may not want the responsibility of having to make a play with the ball. Players find ways to hide on the feild when they don't want to receive the ball in positive areas.
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I will say this for the last time..and this is not just in my opinion...The average fan, has no idea what any knee or any joint injury does to the performance of any type of elite athlete, especially if that athlete is expected to perform at the top levels of his sport....Your capacity to train diminishes greatly, and so your capacity to achieve. If you try too hard at either, you hurt and cannot perform at all..i.e. not somebody hurt you, which everyone see game day, you hurt yourself..A totally healthy individual, even if he was the best soccer player in the world, can hurt themselves with overtraining, many stars have been diminished, if not extinguished with way less, but FANS want to see a man from a career ending injury running, who wasn't even near those levels of accomplishment, running like he want to be the next pele... Hard for fans to get real, as far as their own personal favs and teams are concerned, but real students of sport, should know better...ref: Stern John, Ronaldo... Could write more, but i will be repeating myself, and delving into hypotheticals..
My opinion now, I just happy he could even have a job, and possibly gain some experience that we may be able to tap, when or if, we could get him back to Trinidad...
Fans could say what they want, they paying for that...carry on
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Me ent know but I watch the Sunderland game and I find he was looking good.
He was trapping cleaner, held up the ball well and won every header in the air.
I find Kenwyne improving.
All he have to do is score a goal or two and all will be well.
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Jones is just not a prolific goal scorer at that level.I'm not trying to denigrate him. He's probably good enough to get 10 goals a season or 20 in a lower division. In national colours he's never distinguished himself as a goalscorer either. Maybe he's not a striker.
IZ NOT AND WILL NEVA B A STRIKER. As 4 not caring bout we y should he. Is his mind he doin his best and we eh blieve him. So y go through hoops 2 satisfy us. People will neva b satisfied do what u have 2 do.
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Jones is just not a prolific goal scorer at that level.I'm not trying to denigrate him. He's probably good enough to get 10 goals a season or 20 in a lower division. In national colours he's never distinguished himself as a goalscorer either. Maybe he's not a striker.
IZ NOT AND WILL NEVA B A STRIKER. As 4 not caring bout we y should he. Is his mind he doin his best and we eh blieve him. So y go through hoops 2 satisfy us. People will neva b satisfied do what u have 2 do.
All we asking of him is to do what he have to do ... and he aint!
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Jones is just not a prolific goal scorer at that level.I'm not trying to denigrate him. He's probably good enough to get 10 goals a season or 20 in a lower division. In national colours he's never distinguished himself as a goalscorer either. Maybe he's not a striker.
IZ NOT AND WILL NEVA B A STRIKER. As 4 not caring bout we y should he. Is his mind he doin his best and we eh blieve him. So y go through hoops 2 satisfy us. People will neva b satisfied do what u have 2 do.
All we asking of him is to do what he have to do ... and he aint!
In his mind he doin he best is just that u eh blieve iz he best. All I know KJ get injured in dat fete match v England in May and in Nov he come bck 2 play 4 we dat is some level of loyalty. He did not have 2 return in dat came. So we may not b happy wit his output but 2 say dem fellas eh care me eh blieve dat. We use 2 say d same ting bout DY.
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Yuh notice the grinin smiley thingy @ the end of the statement? that signifies that i'm puttin ah lil humor in the thing, i know yuhs ah lawyer bro, and i guess it's the reason for being up late, i figur that much.
just humoring friend.
Nah I know yuh not on anything... I was probably too tired and distracted to put smileys.
As for Kenwyn... I only saw the last 25 mins of the Sunderland game, but I thought he fought well. I still think he doesn't work as hard as he should... and what really makes it glaring is that a high work rate is a necessity in the English game, so when everyone else around you in the frame running and you jogging it magnifies the (lack of) effort. Now I'm not advocating running for the hell of it, or even for show, but you already know the stereotype that's out there about Caribbean ballers... a little more effort would go a long way. Take Fuller for instance, say what you want about him but even if he have to give a dotish foul every now and then Fuller will ride your ass if you come anywhere close with the ball at your feet.
Anyways, whether he gives a shit about us or not I still wish the fella well.
bout Firebrand's quote..yes Kenwyne did say that bout SW.net & WN
had bout a 10 of us or so at the hotel after the Nashville game
so as someone say why even bother bout him if thats his attitude
Oh it was Firebrand who said it? My bad (apologies to Dreamer)... really disappointing to hear.
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JC (and Bakes) I was the one who posted the comment Jones made regarding SW.net/WN, and as Feliz stated there were about 10 forumites present that heard him... including Tallman. About six months prior to that encounter with Jones I sent him three emails requesting an interview for the fans on the Website, but all those emails went unanswered. When I met up with him in Nashville and asked him about the interview and my emails, that is when he voiced his displeasure (with an expression of disgust) for the Club/Websites.
Now any T&T footballer who we have interviewed or corresponded with (including yuh boy Darryl Roberts ;D) could attest that our interaction with them is always professional, so it was kind of a shock to me and the forumites present that he responded in such a manner. I don't know Kenwyne personally or have anything against him (apart from the frustration we all feel in watching him play), but my honest impression of him that night was that of an arrogant footballer who did not give a crap about the fans. If yuh still eh choose to believe that then that's yuh prerogative bro...I could only call it as I saw it.
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Yuh notice the grinin smiley thingy @ the end of the statement? that signifies that i'm puttin ah lil humor in the thing, i know yuhs ah lawyer bro, and i guess it's the reason for being up late, i figur that much.
just humoring friend.
Nah I know yuh not on anything... I was probably too tired and distracted to put smileys.
As for Kenwyn... I only saw the last 25 mins of the Sunderland game, but I thought he fought well. I still think he doesn't work as hard as he should... and what really makes it glaring is that a high work rate is a necessity in the English game, so when everyone else around you in the frame running and you jogging it magnifies the (lack of) effort. Now I'm not advocating running for the hell of it, or even for show, but you already know the stereotype that's out there about Caribbean ballers... a little more effort would go a long way. Take Fuller for instance, say what you want about him but even if he have to give a dotish foul every now and then Fuller will ride your ass if you come anywhere close with the ball at your feet.
Anyways, whether he gives a shit about us or not I still wish the fella well.
bout Firebrand's quote..yes Kenwyne did say that bout SW.net & WN
had bout a 10 of us or so at the hotel after the Nashville game
so as someone say why even bother bout him if thats his attitude
Oh it was Firebrand who said it? My bad (apologies to Dreamer)... really disappointing to hear.
Hammer on the head!
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I've always said KJ is his own worst enemy,what ever he is going through or what ever he has become is only himself he has to blame,may be he was a boy when he left here but he has grown,i see peeps blaming TTFF etc for his demise or what ever you all want to call it,if there is anybody to point fingers at it must be us because we are the ones who put him on top there,compared him with Drogba,Rooney etc so what he reach,now what?KJ has been slipping for the longest while and peeps keep making excuses for him.
I know how all of us feel about KJ and wishes him nothing more than success but is only so much we can do,it's a big load to carry when club and country depends on you and then have to deal with every day life,a lot of us are speculating we don't know what's going on with the guy so don't jump to conclusions,putting him down will not help.PS...i myself don't know.
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JC (and Bakes) I was the one who posted the comment Jones made regarding SW.net/WN, and as Feliz stated there were about 10 forumites present that heard him... including Tallman. About six months prior to that encounter with Jones I sent him three emails requesting an interview for the fans on the Website, but all those emails went unanswered. When I met up with him in Nashville and asked him about the interview and my emails, that is when he voiced his displeasure (with an expression of disgust) for the Club/Websites.
Now any T&T footballer who we have interviewed or corresponded with (including yuh boy Darryl Roberts ;D) could attest that our interaction with them is always professional, so it was kind of a shock to me and the forumites present that he responded in such a manner. I don't know Kenwyne personally or have anything against him (apart from the frustration we all feel in watching him play), but my honest impression of him that night was that of a arrogant footballer who did not give a crap about the fans. If yuh still eh choose to believe that then that's yuh prerogative bro...I could only call it as I saw it.
:rotfl: :rotfl: Like I care if KJ, Rooney, or Messi is ah fan of the site or not...I just supporting they football, KJ because he is trini, not because he's ah Messi, and I iz really ah real fan ah allyuh...with all dem millions, I go quicker and preferably exchange brews with practically anyone who does post here, even the one's i disagree with...I backin KJ, buh like allyuh an penty ting TT - not all tings TT, me not shame to say...KJ an friends and others (dem) could back and like who they want... ;D
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If KJ plays with a better team, one that will create better quality scoring chances for strikers you will probably see him bang in more goals.
KJ has some good qualities as a striker, but if he is not given quality balls regularly during a game it will be hard for him to increase his scoring rate.
His one weakness as a striker is to dribble past a defender in a 1v1 situation, if he can add a "step-over" move to his game he will be way more effective and will score more goals since he got the pace, but this has a better chance of reality if he plays with a good team that can open up this space for him to run at defenders.
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Me ent know but I watch the Sunderland game and I find he was looking good.
He was trapping cleaner, held up the ball well and won every header in the air.
I find Kenwyne improving.
All he have to do is score a goal or two and all will be well.
I agree with this. This season his ball playing qualities have improved. He's not a lethal striker- never was. He's the "big man" up top, and to me he does his job well.
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JC (and Bakes) I was the one who posted the comment Jones made regarding SW.net/WN, and as Feliz stated there were about 10 forumites present that heard him... including Tallman. About six months prior to that encounter with Jones I sent him three emails requesting an interview for the fans on the Website, but all those emails went unanswered. When I met up with him in Nashville and asked him about the interview and my emails, that is when he voiced his displeasure (with an expression of disgust) for the Club/Websites.
Now any T&T footballer who we have interviewed or corresponded with (including yuh boy Darryl Roberts ;D) could attest that our interaction with them is always professional, so it was kind of a shock to me and the forumites present that he responded in such a manner. I don't know Kenwyne personally or have anything against him (apart from the frustration we all feel in watching him play), but my honest impression of him that night was that of a arrogant footballer who did not give a crap about the fans. If yuh still eh choose to believe that then that's yuh prerogative bro...I could only call it as I saw it.
:rotfl: :rotfl: Like I care if KJ, Rooney, or Messi is ah fan of the site or not...I just supporting they football, KJ because he is trini, not because he's ah Messi, and I iz really ah real fan ah allyuh...with all dem millions, I go quicker and preferably exchange brews with practically anyone who does post here, even the one's i disagree with...I backin KJ, buh like allyuh an penty ting TT - not all tings TT, me not shame to say...KJ an friends and others (dem) could back and like who they want... ;D
Excuse me if I did not respond accordingly (because I honestly did not get the majority of what yuh type)...but what scene u on breds? You see me type anything about wanting Jones to be a fan of the Site? All I did was ask the man for an interview and he said he wanted nothing to do with us. And if yuh check my initial post in the latest Trinis in Action thread you would see that it was posted in response to Just Cool's post where he was hoping Jones would be reading his message. Like yuh say (or ah think yuh say), KJ could back and like who he wants and I certainly was not arguing otherwise. Now on to other things.
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JC (and Bakes) I was the one who posted the comment Jones made regarding SW.net/WN, and as Feliz stated there were about 10 forumites present that heard him... including Tallman. About six months prior to that encounter with Jones I sent him three emails requesting an interview for the fans on the Website, but all those emails went unanswered. When I met up with him in Nashville and asked him about the interview and my emails, that is when he voiced his displeasure (with an expression of disgust) for the Club/Websites.
Now any T&T footballer who we have interviewed or corresponded with (including yuh boy Darryl Roberts ;D) could attest that our interaction with them is always professional, so it was kind of a shock to me and the forumites present that he responded in such a manner. I don't know Kenwyne personally or have anything against him (apart from the frustration we all feel in watching him play), but my honest impression of him that night was that of a arrogant footballer who did not give a crap about the fans. If yuh still eh choose to believe that then that's yuh prerogative bro...I could only call it as I saw it.
:rotfl: :rotfl: Like I care if KJ, Rooney, or Messi is ah fan of the site or not...I just supporting they football, KJ because he is trini, not because he's ah Messi, and I iz really ah real fan ah allyuh...with all dem millions, I go quicker and preferably exchange brews with practically anyone who does post here, even the one's i disagree with...I backin KJ, buh like allyuh an penty ting TT - not all tings TT, me not shame to say...KJ an friends and others (dem) could back and like who they want... ;D
Excuse me if I did not respond accordingly (because I honestly did not get the majority of what yuh type)...but what scene u on breds? You see me type anything about wanting Jones to be a fan of the Site? All I did was ask the man for an interview and he said he wanted nothing to do with us. And if yuh check my initial post in the latest Trinis in Action thread you would see that it was posted in response to Just Cool's post where he was hoping Jones would be reading his message. Like yuh say (or ah think yuh say), KJ could back and like who he wants and I certainly was not arguing otherwise. Now on to other things.
Don't feel no how, sometimes I don't even understan myself..The comment wasn't directed at you or anybody else for that matter, it was a comment, maybe non-sensical, maybe unnecessary, but a personal one.. It is not a criticism of what I do think is a commendable attempt by you to get an interview for this site.. If KJ refuse, that's his loss/business. Please don't be offended..I only quoted you as the reference of which I commented, not a critique of what you wrote, That's the scene I'm usually on.... no need to be defensive or even offensive, I keep think ppl woul know me (and my nonsense, bad-type, and 'in my head' post by now...even, if I don't add lottsa commas and full stops :-[
add, I get my mistake now...Firebrand, you thought I was being sarcastic..I was not....I do like ppl here - the allyuh - no sarcasm...that's why I keep returning, and I will exchange drinks with most everyone here, no sarcasm...I wasn't referning to allyuh as a seperation of you as seprate from me, but more as a allyuh as is in me being a part of the we...shim, there ah go confuffling mehself and everybody else again...best ah doh say nuttin...ok sorry :-[ :-[ musbe the damn drugs ah on >:(
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JC (and Bakes) I was the one who posted the comment Jones made regarding SW.net/WN, and as Feliz stated there were about 10 forumites present that heard him... including Tallman. About six months prior to that encounter with Jones I sent him three emails requesting an interview for the fans on the Website, but all those emails went unanswered. When I met up with him in Nashville and asked him about the interview and my emails, that is when he voiced his displeasure (with an expression of disgust) for the Club/Websites.
Now any T&T footballer who we have interviewed or corresponded with (including yuh boy Darryl Roberts ;D) could attest that our interaction with them is always professional, so it was kind of a shock to me and the forumites present that he responded in such a manner. I don't know Kenwyne personally or have anything against him (apart from the frustration we all feel in watching him play), but my honest impression of him that night was that of a arrogant footballer who did not give a crap about the fans. If yuh still eh choose to believe that then that's yuh prerogative bro...I could only call it as I saw it.
:rotfl: :rotfl: Like I care if KJ, Rooney, or Messi is ah fan of the site or not...I just supporting they football, KJ because he is trini, not because he's ah Messi, and I iz really ah real fan ah allyuh...with all dem millions, I go quicker and preferably exchange brews with practically anyone who does post here, even the one's i disagree with...I backin KJ, buh like allyuh an penty ting TT - not all tings TT, me not shame to say...KJ an friends and others (dem) could back and like who they want... ;D
Excuse me if I did not respond accordingly (because I honestly did not get the majority of what yuh type)...but what scene u on breds? You see me type anything about wanting Jones to be a fan of the Site? All I did was ask the man for an interview and he said he wanted nothing to do with us. And if yuh check my initial post in the latest Trinis in Action thread you would see that it was posted in response to Just Cool's post where he was hoping Jones would be reading his message. Like yuh say (or ah think yuh say), KJ could back and like who he wants and I certainly was not arguing otherwise. Now on to other things.
Don't feel no how, sometimes I don't even understan myself..The comment wasn't directed at you or anybody else for that matter, it was a comment, maybe non-sensical, maybe unnecessary, but a personal one.. It is not a criticism of what I do think is a commendable attempt by you to get an interview for this site.. If KJ refuse, that's his loss/business. Please don't be offended..I only quoted you as the reference of which I commented, not a critique of what you wrote, That's the scene I'm usually on.... no need to be defensive or even offensive, I keep think ppl woul know me (and my nonsense, bad-type, and 'in my head' post by now...even, if I don't add lottsa commas and full stops :-[
add, I get my mistake now...Firebrand, you thought I was being sarcastic..I was not....I do like ppl here - the allyuh - no sarcasm...that's why I keep returning, and I will exchange drinks with most everyone here, no sarcasm...I wasn't referning to allyuh as a seperation of you as seprate from me, but more as a allyuh as is in me being a part of the we...shim, there ah go confuffling mehself and everybody else again...best ah doh say nuttin...ok sorry :-[ :-[ musbe the damn drugs ah on >:(
Cool breds, thanks for clarifying... Doh study it tho...is all good :beermug:
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All i have to say is there is no replacement for skill and KJ is very very limited in the skill department his positional play is not good he needs to read the game more, his ball control is non exsistant
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Well boy firebrand, this is news to me. i thought it was word of mouth, but now that i know it really happened and there were credible witnesses to corroborate that incident, i have to say i'm totally disappointed and turned off by this behavior.
these ball players eh givin us zilch but entertainment and nothing more, considering what we give them, the least they could do in return is give ah little devotion to the game, that's all the fans want, that and a little respect and consideration in return since is us who afforded them that lavish life style for just being able to kick ah forkin ball!
without us there's no game, it's BC of us the fans that there's gate receipts, TV broad cast rights, cooperate sponsorship, sporting goods revenue, and like i said before "the least they could do is respect us!".
it's not like they're absolute necessities to the society like cops, firefighters, pilots, engineers, medical doctors, nurses, research scientist and teachers just to name a few, hek, even cooks and garbage men serve ah greater purpose than ah sportsman. in reality they are just entertainment and nothing more, things we definitely don't need in times of crisis.
i love the fact that i could support a team and enjoy the sweet science of the game, including player proficiency and coaching tactics @ work, that's what we the fans live for. tuh sign an autograph, shake ah hand , smile wid ah fan, or even listen to ah fella even though it might be annoying, don't take away a lot from you and it certainly don't take a world of effort either IMO, and for KJ tuh come out his face like that is ah huge kick in the teeth and real disrespectful @ the same time.
i heard ah similar situation with bravo/ stern and a fan where he went on rude and c@ntish. this is why i doh ramp wid celebs, when i see them out in public i doh say shyte to them unless they look my way, BC i swear, if ah boy come out he face wid me i will certainly forget what they do and deal wid them as any other MDFKR.
real disappointed with KJ though, real disappointed Bc it was uncalled for and real unnecessary. :shameonyou:
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yuh know someting.. i does usually stay outa dis kinda ting...but check this
all this talk about KJ and dis and dat etc
lets rewind the clock a bit...KJ was NEVER a much talked about kid in tnt here....we had no kinda " yuh ever see that young boy called KJ etc"..not at st anthonys..not at W Connection.. and TnT youth WC team...nothing... unless allyuh could pull up posts from around that time and put it here...
when he got signed to Southampton... it barely raised an eyebrow... then he went on loan to Stoke (??)..and they try him as a striker...he score some...and then we start to jump up..big striker da da da...
but just before that...he did make us notice a bit when he played the right side for Tnt in a 3-5-2 under bertill..and we saw the kid is an "ATHLETE"...,, not a silky football "player"...
now is bout he first touch...he dribbling skill da da da...
and is true not much was know about marvin andrews...and he became a legend in scotland ..and tnt in my mind... also Colin samuel...and one or two others..
but KJ in the EPL..most viewed League...and we can sit all day and discuss the kid...but...for me... i accept the man is an ATHLETE... strong.. do what he can do...
for instance..when TnT playing... i dont get all worked up to see KJ... and i will be honest...me eh picking him to start...
thats maybe just my take on it...but really...think back a bit...and having said that...the so called "stars' from that WC team..Forbes...Blackman ( we know what happend)...and others...they not in the EPL.. not even the PFL
so there it goes... KJ... play yuh fitball... OR you could come home and let some of these forum members teach you to trap and take on defenders...
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I hear you jc...he was awful vs sunderland Saturday, and he's a player who runs less than any player in the prem
Disappointing.
Good pt big mag
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yuh know someting.. i does usually stay outa dis kinda ting...but check this
all this talk about KJ and dis and dat etc
lets rewind the clock a bit...KJ was NEVER a much talked about kid in tnt here....we had no kinda " yuh ever see that young boy called KJ etc"..not at st anthonys..not at W Connection.. and TnT youth WC team...nothing... unless allyuh could pull up posts from around that time and put it here...
when he got signed to Southampton... it barely raised an eyebrow... then he went on loan to Stoke (??)..and they try him as a striker...he score some...and then we start to jump up..big striker da da da...
but just before that...he did make us notice a bit when he played the right side for Tnt in a 3-5-2 under bertill..and we saw the kid is an "ATHLETE"...,, not a silky football "player"...
now is bout he first touch...he dribbling skill da da da...
and is true not much was know about marvin andrews...and he became a legend in scotland ..and tnt in my mind... also Colin samuel...and one or two others..
but KJ in the EPL..most viewed League...and we can sit all day and discuss the kid...but...for me... i accept the man is an ATHLETE... strong.. do what he can do...
for instance..when TnT playing... i dont get all worked up to see KJ... and i will be honest...me eh picking him to start...
thats maybe just my take on it...but really...think back a bit...and having said that...the so called "stars' from that WC team..Forbes...Blackman ( we know what happend)...and others...they not in the EPL.. not even the PFL
so there it goes... KJ... play yuh fitball... OR you could come home and let some of these forum members teach you to trap and take on defenders...
we need ah *bounce* smiley..take ah *bounce* still
add: I was one of the few wondering why we didn't pick him for the senior team as a right half...an wonder how dem English coach know more than mighty me, by putting him center forward ...and then ah say whey dem english coached team does place, and how dey does have to thief we to beat we, and unnerstan why they make that mistake...besides they didn't want the best center forard we could give dem..I say, well let the boy play, yes...but much as ah behind him, he still won't play striker for my TT team either
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yuh know someting.. i does usually stay outa dis kinda ting...but check this
all this talk about KJ and dis and dat etc
lets rewind the clock a bit...KJ was NEVER a much talked about kid in tnt here....we had no kinda " yuh ever see that young boy called KJ etc"..not at st anthonys..not at W Connection.. and TnT youth WC team...nothing... unless allyuh could pull up posts from around that time and put it here...
when he got signed to Southampton... it barely raised an eyebrow... then he went on loan to Stoke (??)..and they try him as a striker...he score some...and then we start to jump up..big striker da da da...
but just before that...he did make us notice a bit when he played the right side for Tnt in a 3-5-2 under bertill..and we saw the kid is an "ATHLETE"...,, not a silky football "player"...
now is bout he first touch...he dribbling skill da da da...
and is true not much was know about marvin andrews...and he became a legend in scotland ..and tnt in my mind... also Colin samuel...and one or two others..
but KJ in the EPL..most viewed League...and we can sit all day and discuss the kid...but...for me... i accept the man is an ATHLETE... strong.. do what he can do...
for instance..when TnT playing... i dont get all worked up to see KJ... and i will be honest...me eh picking him to start...
thats maybe just my take on it...but really...think back a bit...and having said that...the so called "stars' from that WC team..Forbes...Blackman ( we know what happend)...and others...they not in the EPL.. not even the PFL
so there it goes... KJ... play yuh fitball... OR you could come home and let some of these forum members teach you to trap and take on defenders...
we need ah *bounce* smiley..take ah *bounce* still
In d meantime go CO-SIGNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
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bout Firebrand's quote..yes Kenwyne did say that bout SW.net & WN
had bout a 10 of us or so at the hotel after the Nashville game
so as someone say why even bother bout him if thats his attitude
He said that??? I was there in Nashville in the hotel talking to players an all. I didn't see KJ until afterwards in the party. I also noticed nuff supporters buys him drinks, taking pictures with him, embracing him, heck he even wine up on most of de female supporters that came through and that's how he treating us fans???
KJ if you reading this, doh study it. We want the best for you and you're the man in the spotlight who represents our country on one of the highest level. Doh let the critcism go tuh yuh head cuz at de end of the dey yuh have we full support!!!
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What criticism ? this thread was created tuh shine some light on the bredder's performance of late, or lack thereof. i only bother BC KJ is one of my favorite players and know that he's capable of stellar performances, unlike the ones he's been putting down recently.
i always defend the bredder when ppl got on his case, even when i read the sunderland's supporters negative comments, or the stoke fans and their unsavory comments , it hurts just like if KJ was ah relative of mine, and ah sure nuff members could share that very said sentiment as well.
for ppl tuh stay here and act like i'm doggin the bredder is just absurd. i just want to see KJ live up to his full potential, i also want the same for hyland , roberts, primus peltier, matter of fact, all the bredders who don the colors.
whether we accept it or not, them boy is ambassadors and when they fack up ppl tend to look @ where they're from as oppose to their individuality. like in said manner when they say "all" caribbean players are laid back.
i wish kenwyne nothing but good luck and good fortune in his football career and in his personal life, but @ the same token, i will not stop here and pretend that i'm pleased with the way he's been playing when i know the dude is capable of much better.
in doin so he's fackin up his stocks, and knowing the english fans and football fraternity and how fickle they could be, pretty soon the word would be out on him, " this guy is too laid back and has no work ethic", then more than likely , no decent manager would take a chance on him.
but since allyuh love him more than me and want tuh pamper him and not counsel the yute on his obvious mistakes. kenwyne the higher ups has spoken, what more can i say. play yuh fitball son.
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If KJ plays with a better team, one that will create better quality scoring chances for strikers you will probably see him bang in more goals.
KJ has some good qualities as a striker, but if he is not given quality balls regularly during a game it will be hard for him to increase his scoring rate.
His one weakness as a striker is to dribble past a defender in a 1v1 situation, if he can add a "step-over" move to his game he will be way more effective and will score more goals since he got the pace, but this has a better chance of reality if he plays with a good team that can open up this space for him to run at defenders.
I've been through this debate on here a long time ago, this view is just too simplistic and wouldn't result in him scoring more, well it might due to the bigs team superiority but wouldn't be enough to justify his place in such a team.
Kenwyne is a big strong athlete, but lacks a few things as a striker that I would of thought should of improved by now but haven't.
If you are in a better team that creates more chances, these chances are created by quick passing and movement usually with good control. To make use of the chances that come you way in a team like this you have to anticipate and be in the right place to put the ball in, this is one of Kenwyne's weakess points, he simply wouldn't be there when the chance presented itself.
His control is inconsistant, sometimes good sometimes he can't trap a bag of cement, again far too inconsistant for a top team.
His shooting is the same as his control and if you watched him often enough I doubt there is anybody on here that would feel confident about him scoring when one on one with a keeper, he lacks composure in front of goal.
He was bought by Stoke for what he is, he is in a team that will present him with a lot of chances that he is better suited to converting, by high balls into a packed penalty area.
Kenwyne is what he is, I doubt he will ever be what he could be.
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If KJ plays with a better team, one that will create better quality scoring chances for strikers you will probably see him bang in more goals.
KJ has some good qualities as a striker, but if he is not given quality balls regularly during a game it will be hard for him to increase his scoring rate.
His one weakness as a striker is to dribble past a defender in a 1v1 situation, if he can add a "step-over" move to his game he will be way more effective and will score more goals since he got the pace, but this has a better chance of reality if he plays with a good team that can open up this space for him to run at defenders.
I've been through this debate on here a long time ago, this view is just too simplistic and wouldn't result in him scoring more, well it might due to the bigs team superiority but wouldn't be enough to justify his place in such a team.
Kenwyne is a big strong athlete, but lacks a few things as a striker that I would of thought should of improved by now but haven't.
If you are in a better team that creates more chances, these chances are created by quick passing and movement usually with good control. To make use of the chances that come you way in a team like this you have to anticipate and be in the right place to put the ball in, this is one of Kenwyne's weakess points, he simply wouldn't be there when the chance presented itself. His control is inconsistant, sometimes good sometimes he can't trap a bag of cement, again far too inconsistant for a top team.
His shooting is the same as his control and if you watched him often enough I doubt there is anybody on here that would feel confident about him scoring when one on one with a keeper, he lacks composure in front of goal.
He was bought by Stoke for what he is, he is in a team that will present him with a lot of chances that he is better suited to converting, by high balls into a packed penalty area.
Kenwyne is what he is, I doubt he will ever be what he could be.
But on the trading block went Stern John..like one's not supposed to have to different players on the same team....isn't that why form a team....never cease to amaze me how some managers want to have their cake & eat it too...well, I guess we will never know...don't worry, the TT manager did the same mistake, and he was our greatest, to many..
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His control is inconsistant, sometimes good sometimes he can't trap a bag of cement, again far too inconsistant for a top team.
How dear u.....mate if this is your attempt of a Euphemism then I would say u nailed it on the head...... ;D.... I especially like the statement in Bold.....
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What criticism ? this thread was created tuh shine some light on the bredder's performance of late, or lack thereof. i only bother BC KJ is one of my favorite players and know that he's capable of stellar performances, unlike the ones he's been putting down recently.
i always defend the bredder when ppl got on his case, even when i read the sunderland's supporters negative comments, or the stoke fans and their unsavory comments , it hurts just like if KJ was ah relative of mine, and ah sure nuff members could share that very said sentiment as well.
for ppl tuh stay here and act like i'm doggin the bredder is just absurd. i just want to see KJ live up to his full potential, i also want the same for hyland , roberts, primus peltier, matter of fact, all the bredders who don the colors.
whether we accept it or not, them boy is ambassadors and when they fack up ppl tend to look @ where they're from as oppose to their individuality. like in said manner when they say "all" caribbean players are laid back.
i wish kenwyne nothing but good luck and good fortune in his football career and in his personal life, but @ the same token, i will not stop here and pretend that i'm pleased with the way he's been playing when i know the dude is capable of much better.
in doin so he's fackin up his stocks, and knowing the english fans and football fraternity and how fickle they could be, pretty soon the word would be out on him, " this guy is too laid back and has no work ethic", then more than likely , no decent manager would take a chance on him.
but since allyuh love him more than me and want tuh pamper him and not counsel the yute on his obvious mistakes. kenwyne the higher ups has spoken, what more can i say. play yuh fitball son.
JC I'm not speaking about the criticism on this thread and I'm not pampering him either. Lot's of times I've read people on this site call him a goat, shit snake, he cyar pass, trap, etc., etc. and I believe it's because they know he's not playing to his full potential which fraustrates us at times. At the end of the day we want to see him succeed!! I don't know the brother but I believe as a player if he read all the things people wrote about him on this site, it could've upset him and that could be the reason he said he wants nothing to do with this forum.
So just like you I want all the best for him and all of our players abroad and locally. So all I'm saying is when we do counsel him on his obvious mistakes, not to take it personally :beermug:
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His control is inconsistant, sometimes good sometimes he can't trap a bag of cement, again far too inconsistant for a top team.
How dear u.....mate if this is your attempt of a Euphemism then I would say u nailed it on the head...... ;D.... I especially like the statement in Bold.....
Its very old and well used by fans in England, just like me old the ones are best ;)
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The fact is, Kenwyne simply lacks consistancy!!
He is not good enough for a top level team since his lack of "off the ball movement", "clinical finishing" and "close control" will be further exposed!
Big Mag's post is an excellent one.
Stoke City will not improve kenwyne's game because they simply play to his strengths. He is probably in the top 3 in the league in the air and that may be all Stoke City wants from him.
He gets the most attention at corners and free kicks and this probably frees up more players like Huth, Shawcross and Carew to get goal scoring opportunities.
Kenwyne is a friendly lad, and is open to give photos and small interviews to fans. However, he does not handle criticism well (and sometimes we could be dread on this site).
I remember Carlos Edwards once telling me that he reads the site now and then, but one time he was reading and he just had to stop cause "allyuh does mash ppl up"
All in all, Kenwyne is in good hands w.r.t. his strengths so he cool for de hour.
GOOD LUCK TO HIM
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Kenwyne is a friendly lad, and is open to give photos and small interviews to fans. However, he does not handle criticism well (and sometimes we could be dread on this site).
I remember Carlos Edwards once telling me that he reads the site now and then, but one time he was reading and he just had to stop cause "allyuh does mash ppl up"
Ah wonder if dey does read dey own club supporters forums
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Kenwyne is a friendly lad, and is open to give photos and small interviews to fans. However, he does not handle criticism well (and sometimes we could be dread on this site).
I remember Carlos Edwards once telling me that he reads the site now and then, but one time he was reading and he just had to stop cause "allyuh does mash ppl up"
Ah wonder if dey does read dey own club supporters forums
Well Tallman boy yuh take de words right off mih keyboard......it have more dread fans in the footballing world dan English fans??!!......steups!!.....
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Kenwyne is a friendly lad, and is open to give photos and small interviews to fans. However, he does not handle criticism well (and sometimes we could be dread on this site).
I remember Carlos Edwards once telling me that he reads the site now and then, but one time he was reading and he just had to stop cause "allyuh does mash ppl up"
Ah wonder if dey does read dey own club supporters forums
Well Tallman boy yuh take de words right off mih keyboard......it have more dread fans in the footballing world dan English fans??!!......steups!!.....
To play devils advocate...I suspect the criticism might 'sting' a lil more comming from your own people
Dem fellahs know de brits does be psycho on de football vibes....so dey does probably shrug off comments by clearly mental people....but to read scathing comments bout 'cyah trap' & 'lazy' etc etc on the one lil T&T site it have............?
if I was jones, I woulda say f**k away wit sw.net same way oui..den ah woulda jump in mih bentley and blaze dong de m1 spillin polorie sauce on de seats
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Kenwyne is a friendly lad, and is open to give photos and small interviews to fans. However, he does not handle criticism well (and sometimes we could be dread on this site).
I remember Carlos Edwards once telling me that he reads the site now and then, but one time he was reading and he just had to stop cause "allyuh does mash ppl up"
Ah wonder if dey does read dey own club supporters forums
Well Tallman boy yuh take de words right off mih keyboard......it have more dread fans in the footballing world dan English fans??!!......steups!!.....
To play devils advocate...I suspect the criticism might 'sting' a lil more comming from your own people
Dem fellahs know de brits does be psycho on de football vibes....so dey does probably shrug off comments by clearly mental people....but to read scathing comments bout 'cyah trap' & 'lazy' etc etc on the one lil T&T site it have............?
if I was jones, I woulda say f**k away wit sw.net same way oui..den ah woulda jump in mih bentley and blaze dong de m1 spillin polorie sauce on de seats
Big men is big men.
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If KJ plays with a better team, one that will create better quality scoring chances for strikers you will probably see him bang in more goals.
KJ has some good qualities as a striker, but if he is not given quality balls regularly during a game it will be hard for him to increase his scoring rate.
His one weakness as a striker is to dribble past a defender in a 1v1 situation, if he can add a "step-over" move to his game he will be way more effective and will score more goals since he got the pace, but this has a better chance of reality if he plays with a good team that can open up this space for him to run at defenders.
I've been through this debate on here a long time ago, this view is just too simplistic and wouldn't result in him scoring more, well it might due to the bigs team superiority but wouldn't be enough to justify his place in such a team.
Kenwyne is a big strong athlete, but lacks a few things as a striker that I would of thought should of improved by now but haven't.
If you are in a better team that creates more chances, these chances are created by quick passing and movement usually with good control. To make use of the chances that come you way in a team like this you have to anticipate and be in the right place to put the ball in, this is one of Kenwyne's weakess points, he simply wouldn't be there when the chance presented itself.
His control is inconsistant, sometimes good sometimes he can't trap a bag of cement, again far too inconsistant for a top team.
His shooting is the same as his control and if you wat ;Dched him often enough I doubt there is anybody on here that would feel confident about him scoring when one on one with a keeper, he lacks composure in front of goal.
He was bought by Stoke for what he is, he is in a team that will present him with a lot of chances that he is better suited to converting, by high balls into a packed penalty area.
Kenwyne is what he is, I doubt he will ever be what he could be.
Kev, your points are well taken.. but here in Trini, we have an old saying ,... " when yuh mix with shit, yuh does play shit" :devil:
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Kenwyne is a friendly lad, and is open to give photos and small interviews to fans. However, he does not handle criticism well (and sometimes we could be dread on this site).
I remember Carlos Edwards once telling me that he reads the site now and then, but one time he was reading and he just had to stop cause "allyuh does mash ppl up"
Ah wonder if dey does read dey own club supporters forums
If he does he will find himself getting slacked off a lot more, more harshly and quickly on the Stoke forum than he did on the SMB.
Kev, your points are well taken.. but here in Trini, we have an old saying ,... " when yuh mix with shit, yuh does play shit" :devil:
It is easier to look better than you are in a better team, as a lot of transfers have proved. Don't think the Stoke fans will like you calling them a tata team though :devil:
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Kenwyne is an Athlete playing football at the highest level, doh expect anything more. I don't think the clubs that buy him expect more from him. He does what he does good enough for them.
Steve Bruce wanted more than an Athlete and a decent footballer so when he get there and he see Kenwyne he make changes.
We expecting more from Kenwyne than he could give that he why he doh score no setta goals for T&T.
Stern on the other hand was all about scoring, Kenwyne knows he not being bought to score ah bag ah goals so he ent worried if he don't score.
You get what he's good at when you buy or watch Kenwyne and that's it. That is why he was moved to defense because he big, strong, good in the air. We like that for we defenders, and skill for we forwards, in England they like big, strong, and good in the air for their defenders and at least one ah dey striker.
Rougier comes to mind, he was a regular forward in Scotland
When Kenwyne play fuh we put him in the back and we good :beermug:
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unproven as a Snr player..right now, unless we playing boom kick, always an option, like Big Mag, for me, he riding pine....unless on the invite, he showing(in the 2 training days) he fit enuff physically & mentally to play midfield or we going the boom kick route with one forward (he to win air balls) to defend, that early, game leading goal, we always wish we could score...then again, he might show something new, something borrowed or something outta the blue (Q...R...C..we wa), given a different coach, with different instructions...yuh neva know
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Kenwyne is an Athlete playing football at the highest level, doh expect anything more. I don't think the clubs that buy him expect more from him. He does what he does good enough for them.
Steve Bruce wanted more than an Athlete and a decent footballer so when he get there and he see Kenwyne he make changes.
We expecting more from Kenwyne than he could give that he why he doh score no setta goals for T&T.
Stern on the other hand was all about scoring, Kenwyne knows he not being bought to score ah bag ah goals so he ent worried if he don't score.
You get what he's good at when you buy or watch Kenwyne and that's it. That is why he was moved to defense because he big, strong, good in the air. We like that for we defenders, and skill for we forwards, in England they like big, strong, and good in the air for their defenders and at least one ah dey striker.
Rougier comes to mind, he was a regular forward in Scotland
When Kenwyne play fuh we put him in the back and we good :beermug:
I beg to differ, kenwyne is ah damn good footballer, and he scored many ah goals that nuff players would normally throw away, like the first goal he scored in the EPL against redding, that and many more with his feet that many players would not be able too convert.
i heard ah comment on this same thread that fans are less likely to feel secure with KJ in ah one on one situation with ah keeper, well i've seen him in that situation more than once , many a time @ southampton and he converted, i've seen it @ sunlun and @ stoke when he buss pepi reina's net VS liverpool.
IMO the fella is ah damn good footballer and would rather see him in front of goal than stern. the thing is with KJ and what most strikers have over him is the positional sense of play(getting into scoring position) and the hunger that he lacks,
that same hunger that made me like the kid in the first place when he played with southampton and under leo beenhakker, the one we saw in germany, that fighting rough house never say die attitude, that's all this fella want to be ah top contender. IMO, he's much more accurate than stern in front of goal.
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For me, the little bit I saw, very few was better than the Pre-Notiingham Forest injured Stern..the Birmingham super-sub stern was pretty good as a role player too..KJ has his own role to play, and as far as TT is concerned, he should be picked to play that role, not play a Stern John, or TT Drogba role...He is KJ...should the team therefore be picked around him, no , yet it depends on what the other present potential candidates bring to the table...this is Team selection, not pick the best players and put them on the field, but pick the best players to execute a particular strategy, that compliments those players...thus the most skilfull right mid, might get left out for a less skilfull mid but stronger tackling/holding mid, to say complement the defence and have a more balanced team...this is where real Managers earn their keep...National/Pro club teams should not be about coaching as much as management...coaching is for before that, in my lil mind anyway
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For me Kenwyne Jones plays like Shaquille O Neil ....scores goals ...uses his presence to his advantage ..is effective at what he does ..intimidates defenders
...would I class him as a top footballer ? ..would I class Shaq as a top basketballer ...sure would on both counts but he has to play on a team that wants his type of play ...long balls into the box ...crosses ... if he cant get that then he is a spectator ...
strange ..he went to England as a utility player than a became a defender ..then was tried as a forward and has not looked back. He had an amazing record at Stoke ......scores goals for all his teams ...but they must suit his style . Dont try to see him playing flowing fluid football ...that is like asking Shaq to run the court ...and we much prefer Shaq to be in the paint ...where it matters !!
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Whats up with this fella? why is he not representing himself? why is he not grabbing this opportunity with four hands and holding on for dear life? were we mistaken about KJ and just maybe this was all a fluke, could it be that he's one of the luckiest sh!tsnakes to come out of T&T?
i heard the fella having marital problems and ah feel for him BC i know what that's like, but there's a time when ah fella have tuh pick up the pieces move on and take charge of his life again and set yuhself free. so handle yuh business son and stop sulking if that's truly the case.
http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Potters&action=display&thread=151211
first things first, KJ better take charge of his career, BC broads will come and they will go, but financial security often leaves and rarely returns.
i'm tellin yuhs, if he keeps this up i'm smelling championship for this guy on the horizon. his stocks has dropped tremendously and is on the down spiral. he needs to knock in ah few before the seasons end or else he will ride nuff pine with stoke next season if he's lucky to stay in the prem.
i notice this idle behavior from jones since the last hex and he's not been able to shake this shyte off ever since and get serious with his football career. the boy needs tuh play with energy and vigor, this lazyman paul business don't belong in today's football and would not cut it in europe @ all!
i really like the fella and ah want him to do well, but it seem like he has gotten swell headed and believes he doesn't have to work hard now, when in reality this is the time he really has to buss a gut.
could someone who knows jones please talk to the fella, BC he's pissing on ah grand opportunity. positive.
http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Potters&action=display&thread=151239
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One of the fan's post about him.
Re: Jones miss at half time
« Reply #21 Today at 8:55pm »
Today at 8:20pm, scfcbiancorossi wrote:
The thing with Kenners is simple. He currently deserves the stick he is recieving simply because he has the wrong work ethic. Pulis suggested early in the season that he has a "laid back" attitude and will turn up to training late etc etc. Well sorry, but earning the money hes on, turning up half soaked its not on, especially when people are paying their money to watch him. He has brought all this on himself. The sooner we get rid in the summer the better. Use the money from Jones to complete Carew signing and bring in a flair player in midfield. Sorted.
Agree. I have worked as a nurse for over 40 years - retire next year if I still have a job with all the NHS cuts :(. Done all sorts of shifts - 7am till 9pm, nights, Christmas Day, New Years Eve and so on. Not grumbling at all - I count myself lucky to have had a steady job for 40 years and there's lots of people on here very much worse off than me. But when I came to work I genuinely did my best each and every day to earn my wages. I see Kenwyne on as much per week as I ever earned in a year as a nurse and APPEARING not to give a stuff whether he does his job - to score and to create goals - or not. That to me is fraudulent - he is not doing what he's being paid to do.. Don't talk of confidence - he jogs around here and there as if nothing matters. I know he's a good footballer, but on those wages he has to bloody well motivate himself (don't tell me TP isn't encouraging him also), put himself in the thick of the action rather than on the periphery and get stuck in.
Rant over - sorry!
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Saw him live versus Fulham earlier this season, and he was pathetic...no movement off the ball and you could tell he was not into the game. Something going on, and he needs to sort it out ASAP, or else he will be another talent who simply underachieved.
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Who is this "KJ" allyuh talking about... and why should we care?
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Bakes, they talking bout Kenwyn Jones..Philbert Jone nephew...
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Bakes, they talking bout Kenwyn Jones..Philbert Jone nephew...
Who is that... the same fella who say he doh care about and want nothing to do with SWO and its members?
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Bakes, they talking bout Kenwyn Jones..Philbert Jone nephew...
Who is that... the same fella who say he doh care about and want nothing to do with SWO and its members?
Oh! I dont recall dat; whe de link.
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Yeah he say that.... ;D All players does have a hard time with us at some point..Real love and hate..Peanut butter and jelly. All good for yuh.
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I am surprised JC you have been one of his biggest defenders.
Unless he is a gambler or something I wouldn't worry about his financial position even if he doesn't play he is now set for life.
Threads like that have been going on for months on that board, the difference now is that they have Carew that is seen as being able to do "his job" and he is keeping out the fans favourite Fuller, as I said on the other one he needs a few goals and quick before they really start on him during matches.
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:-X :-X Somebody tell Pulis let go KJ, Kerry B. available...easy so, doh matter what or why,dah's would be macomere man business...Straight swap..dat will help Kerry and KJ, doh have to deal with that pressure whatever it is , "Not my business", and could go handle he stories... ..ah feel maybe macomere man phobia cutting some noses to spite some faces ...buh how ppl who don't hear or see does learn, ans: experience, and they use their other senses...so far thank god, Mr Pulis giving him the slack, hopefully he would be eventually able to pull himself back in, rather than some ppl and hang themselves....Keep working KJ. Yuh in with ah good boss, Help him out please Cardo, hang in there, for the future of our other Caribbean players :praying:
add: meanwhile the other next ???mess-hound ??? scoring again thanks be to god, and hardly ah peep, one of our only other representative....like is only Messi allowed to score & unscore or wha ?...Go Jason, call up KJ tell him some of us behind allyuh (cause he doh read we ;) ) no matter what play, success or failure....but success would be more encouraging for our youth home...Do it allyuh
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Carew take over the big target man role and looks a lot more active than KJ in the same role.
KJ's effort is deficient.
for a big man Kenwyne does play rel soft. Its good that stoke pick up Carew, i like that player
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Watched Arsenal v. Stoke last night. Carew and Walters started up front, KJ and Fuller on the bench. Walters was brought off for Fuller second half.
KJ didn't look like he would get a look in until the 89th minute, when Stoke had a corner. When the substitution wasn't allowed to be made before the corner was taken, Pulis made him sit back down.
I always defend KJ on The Oatcake, as I did on the Sunderland message boards, but that's getting harder and harder to do. He just does not seem interested at all. Despite what anyone says, KJ has talent. He would not have gotten to where he is if he didn't. His hunger and desire to do well is just gone.
I have to stop going on the Oatcake forum. Too depressing seeing them slag off KJ, moreso when I know they're right.
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If I had KJ's work ethic at my job, I would be fired before long.
It kinda sad to see him like this. I hope he finds what he needs to re-ignite the fire.
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If I had KJ's work ethic at my job, I would be fired before long.
It kinda sad to see him like this. I hope he finds what he needs to re-ignite the fire.
The Man is T&T player of the year! He has nothing to prove!! No one in that side can step in his shoes!! ;)
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If I had KJ's work ethic at my job, I would be fired before long.
It kinda sad to see him like this. I hope he finds what he needs to re-ignite the fire.
The Man is T&T player of the year! He has nothing to prove!! No one in that side can step in his shoes!! ;)
I think he should just let the other forwards play and just coach the team!
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Stoke to rally round Jones as family issues derail striker's form.
By Sportsmail Reporter.
Tony Pulis will support Kenwyne Jones as he struggles for form during a messy divorce.
Stoke’s club record £8m signing has found the net just once in his last 16 outings but could start against West Ham on Sunday.
‘This family situation has really affected him. But this football club supports its players,’ said Pulis.
'We did so with Matty Etherington, we did so with Danny Higginbotham last week whose wife had a baby. And we shall do so with Kenwyne.'
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Sad news indeed. Always a very difficult thing to deal with. Your family in our prayers, Jones
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suspected that months ago
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Yupp that was the case. For his sake I really hope he gets over it.
Its really tough for him though, as he has 3 little kids. His wife is Trini, which could mean the kids coming back if she chooses to leave the UK
Really tough to take on mentally
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Yupp that was the case. For his sake I really hope he gets over it.
Its really tough for him though, as he has 3 little kids. His wife is Trini, which could mean the kids coming back if she chooses to leave the UK
Really tough to take on mentally
plus she might leave with half
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I think this thread should be merged with the Kenwyne Jone thread just here:
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=52719.60
Now we can understand a bit better why Kenwyne hasn't been performing at his best recently!
He is coping with a divorce!
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What was Latapy coping with?
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what cause she to leave?
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BM HERE....Be strong son
Play de life
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It had 2 b d big D. Divorce is a tough pill 2 swallow.
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Alyu good yes,i tell you all long time leave the boy alone,after all what was said a few weeks ago about Kenwyn people have to just hush they mouth,the real storey is out so all the ifs, buts,ah hear and may bes done,we does guess too much and spreading a set of bad propaganda.
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Alyu good yes,i tell you all long time leave the boy alone,after all what was said a few weeks ago about Kenwyn people have to just hush they mouth,the real storey is out so all the ifs, buts,ah hear and may bes done,we does guess too much and spreading a set of bad propaganda.
Cppos I knew that was the problem all along but I didnt want to put the man business out dere juss so. But you really cant falut some of the fans for getting down on him, they honestly did not know. All they wanted was to see their trini in the prem succeed. :beermug:
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Alyu good yes,i tell you all long time leave the boy alone,after all what was said a few weeks ago about Kenwyn people have to just hush they mouth,the real storey is out so all the ifs, buts,ah hear and may bes done,we does guess too much and spreading a set of bad propaganda.
Cppos I knew that was the problem all along but I didnt want to put the man business out dere juss so. But you really cant falut some of the fans for getting down on him, they honestly did not know. All they wanted was to see their trini in the prem succeed. :beermug:
Eh agree wit u we luv 2 diss our own. We does diss him when he playin 4 we ecause he eh committed etc. I will always remember dat in June KJ got injured in d mother of all fete matches and in Nov he was back playin 4 we. He did not need 2 come back b4 d hex IMO.
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Alyu good yes,i tell you all long time leave the boy alone,after all what was said a few weeks ago about Kenwyn people have to just hush they mouth,the real storey is out so all the ifs, buts,ah hear and may bes done,we does guess too much and spreading a set of bad propaganda.
Everything that people said about Kenwyne still stands... this news doesn't change anything. It puts his poor performance in perspective, but it doesn't excuse it. Many of us have our own personal challenges and we don't have the luxury of going to work and pouting about it. I sympathize with the fella without a doubt, and I pray that he and his family can weather this storm... but he is a professional and is expected to act as such. When he doesn't he'll get criticized... I know he's family, but that's just how it goes.
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Alyu good yes,i tell you all long time leave the boy alone,after all what was said a few weeks ago about Kenwyn people have to just hush they mouth,the real storey is out so all the ifs, buts,ah hear and may bes done,we does guess too much and spreading a set of bad propaganda.
Everything that people said about Kenwyne still stands... this news doesn't change anything. It puts his poor performance in perspective, but it doesn't excuse it. Many of us have our own personal challenges and we don't have the luxury of going to work and pouting about it. I sympathize with the fella without a doubt, and I pray that he and his family can weather this storm... but he is a professional and is expected to act as such. When he doesn't he'll get criticized... I know he's family, but that's just how it goes.
Yeah with these things you just never know because people react differently. Someone in the very same situation might run out, turn an monster and give you 1.2 goals a game. Kenwyn's story is obviously different. Hopefully he can ketch himself soon, because at the end he can't say his divorced ruined his career. Kenwyn needs to be responsible for every 90min. he suit up for. Sad news, but the brother got his whole life ahead of him. Hope he makes it through in one piece. Just love yuh children and do your best.
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KJ padner you better use this situation as motivation to improve your game because your bills will be much higher soon..... :devil:
Serious thing
Raspect
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I knw y she leaving him but i wldnt reveal that here so dnt feel sorry for him
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Like the cheater got caught. Is the girl from San Juan, right ?
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I knw y she leaving him but i wldnt reveal that here so dnt feel sorry for him
somebody buss dem files a while back, cah remember who. but d thread deleted anyway. Not sure if what ah read was true doh
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Like the cheater got caught. Is the girl from San Juan, right ?
:devil:
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I knw y she leaving him but i wldnt reveal that here so dnt feel sorry for him
well i dunno y she leaving him daiz y i ask.
However, if he getting leave for running hoes on the side or domestic abuse etc, then u cyah really feel for him.
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then again suppose he he lazy uninterested style of play on the field does extend somewhere else too and daiz y he getting released?...
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Allyuh men getting real outta timin' now... no need to be speculating or spreading rumors about the man private life.
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Allyuh men getting real outta timin' now... no need to be speculating or spreading rumors about the man private life.
:beermug:
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Allyuh men getting real outta timin' now... no need to be speculating or spreading rumors about the man private life.
Well said Bakes,this is what i was talking about.
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I knw y she leaving him but i wldnt reveal that here so dnt feel sorry for him
What is the purpose of your post? Instead of coasting your "inside" knowledge of KJ situation why don't you put your business on the forum so we can get some entertainment.
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So let me ask how many of you'll would like your personal business discussed in a public forum? I don't know what the man did nor do I care what he did...all I know is that this sort of speculation is dangerous as it affects the man's family. real maccomeh man bizness
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So let me ask how many of you'll would like your personal business discussed in a public forum? I don't know what the man did nor do I care what he did...all I know is that this sort of speculation is dangerous as it affects the man's family. real maccomeh man bizness
U sounding shock ???
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So let me ask how many of you'll would like your personal business discussed in a public forum? I don't know what the man did nor do I care what he did...all I know is that this sort of speculation is dangerous as it affects the man's family. real maccomeh man bizness
U sounding shock ???
Cah believe ah ha to borrow this "COSIGN" lol.
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I fell all yuh could start one (1) Kenwyne Jones thread and put everything there.
• Jones buss he toe.
• Jones eat ah young cymit and get colic.
• Jones get ketch horning and wife threatens divorce.
• Stoke coach to tell Jones he mudda c*#t.
Wha the f**k dread is every Monday morning is some sh!t wid he and not all of it is worth a brand new thread.
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So let me ask how many of you'll would like your personal business discussed in a public forum? I don't know what the man did nor do I care what he did...all I know is that this sort of speculation is dangerous as it affects the man's family. real maccomeh man bizness
U sounding shock ???
:rotfl:
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So let me ask how many of you'll would like your personal business discussed in a public forum? I don't know what the man did nor do I care what he did...all I know is that this sort of speculation is dangerous as it affects the man's family. real maccomeh man bizness
When we ketching kicks off the the foreign players of the Manu or Chelsea or whoever else of that ilk...dais ok. but when is one ah we own it unacceptable??
Whether we like it or not, KJ is a public figure unfortunately his private life ain't so private anymore. It comes with the territory.....
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It goes with the territory people. Get over it.
If I was making 50,000 pounds a week and the ketch to it was my business will be on forums to discuss. Guess what talk all allyuh want.
It is the price to pay. Most the public who buy jerseys, pay cable, PPV and all that want to know their players, actors, stars personal life, so if one ah dem using crack we want to know so we could decide to drop dem.
Where money spend no favors asked. If he want to live a low profile life take a low profile paying job and be happy. Otherwise it just the life we live it. Every actor, every player knows that.
He could always join the PFL if he want to keep playing football and have a private life
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>:( :-X >:( :-[
I thought only this fella play this character, but for Carnival plenty does play ah mas
(http://correctopinion.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/twoface.jpg?w=239&h=288)
Hope things work out for KJ, his potential Ex, and their kids...sometimes all the money in the world don't make life smooth sailing..even if this site is not for you Mr. Jones, wish you and yours the best
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Sorry this is happening to KJ. I hope everything turns out alright on all fronts.
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So let me ask how many of you'll would like your personal business discussed in a public forum? I don't know what the man did nor do I care what he did...all I know is that this sort of speculation is dangerous as it affects the man's family. real maccomeh man bizness
When we ketching kicks off the the foreign players of the Manu or Chelsea or whoever else of that ilk...dais ok. but when is one ah we own it unacceptable??
Whether we like it or not, KJ is a public figure unfortunately his private life ain't so private anymore. It comes with the territory.....
As far as I know nothing has been publicly revealed so people only engaging in speculation and at this point the only person being harmed is the wife and kids.
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Alyu good yes,i tell you all long time leave the boy alone,after all what was said a few weeks ago about Kenwyn people have to just hush they mouth,the real storey is out so all the ifs, buts,ah hear and may bes done,we does guess too much and spreading a set of bad propaganda.
Everything that people said about Kenwyne still stands... this news doesn't change anything. It puts his poor performance in perspective, but it doesn't excuse it. Many of us have our own personal challenges and we don't have the luxury of going to work and pouting about it. I sympathize with the fella without a doubt, and I pray that he and his family can weather this storm... but he is a professional and is expected to act as such. When he doesn't he'll get criticized... I know he's family, but that's just how it goes.
So many people are clueless on what it takes for a professional athlete to perform at his best!!
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As far as I know nothing has been publicly revealed so people only engaging in speculation and at this point the only person being harmed is the wife and kids.
There was a very revealing thread on this forum a year or so back regarding a girl from (I believe it was) Arima.
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As far as I know nothing has been publicly revealed so people only engaging in speculation and at this point the only person being harmed is the wife and kids.
There was a very revealing thread on this forum a year or so back regarding a girl from (I believe it was) Arima.
yes, that was the thread i was talking about.
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As far as I know nothing has been publicly revealed so people only engaging in speculation and at this point the only person being harmed is the wife and kids.
There was a very revealing thread on this forum a year or so back regarding a girl from (I believe it was) Arima.
yes, that was the thread i was talking about.
Oops I didn't read the first page.
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When we ketching kicks off the the foreign players of the Manu or Chelsea or whoever else of that ilk...dais ok. but when is one ah we own it unacceptable??
Whether we like it or not, KJ is a public figure unfortunately his private life ain't so private anymore. It comes with the territory.....
I guess this is where I different... I doh really care to read about who Rooney or Terry supposedly screwing either. I simply try and avoid those threads. There is a difference with KJ in that the man have family reading this site, both ones we know about and the ones we don't know about. For that reason alone I think people need to be more considerate in their comments... and I'm not talking about for KJ's sake.
But me eh no moderator and I can't tell people what to post... I could only object when they do.
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When we ketching kicks off the the foreign players of the Manu or Chelsea or whoever else of that ilk...dais ok. but when is one ah we own it unacceptable??
Whether we like it or not, KJ is a public figure unfortunately his private life ain't so private anymore. It comes with the territory.....
I guess this is where I different... I doh really care to read about who Rooney or Terry supposedly screwing either. I simply try and avoid those threads. There is a difference with KJ in that the man have family reading this site, both ones we know about and the ones we don't know about. For that reason alone I think people need to be more considerate in their comments... and I'm not talking about for KJ's sake.
But me eh no moderator and I can't tell people what to post... I could only object when they do.
:thumbsup:
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I fell all yuh could start one (1) Kenwyne Jones thread and put everything there.
• Jones buss he toe.
• Jones eat ah young cymit and get colic.
• Jones get ketch horning and wife threatens divorce.
• Stoke coach to tell Jones he mudda c*#t.
Wha the f**k dread is every Monday morning is some sh!t wid he and not all of it is worth a brand new thread.
I already suggested to the Mods when I posted higher up to merge this thread! Guess they are a bit busy and haven't spotted this thread yet!
I think this thread should be merged with the Kenwyne Jone thread just here:
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=52719.60
Now we can understand a bit better why Kenwyne hasn't been performing at his best recently!
He is coping with a divorce!
On 2nd thoughts maybe this thread hasn't been merged deliberately, in case it needs to be deleted if things get out of hand! :beermug:
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agreed bakes...lets give support for the tnt son
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kobe set the bar to high ,but buying something might work.
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Yupp that was the case. For his sake I really hope he gets over it.
Its really tough for him though, as he has 3 little kids. His wife is Trini, which could mean the kids coming back if she chooses to leave the UK
Really tough to take on mentally
plus she might leave with half
And plus there maybe another half some wey bout on ether side of de goal post we eh know of. Allyuh ! leave the man biz alone
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KJ work out your situation and come back motivated to represent on the pitch
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http://bcove.me/udfamj3y
I was very impressed with his fluidity and he seems to be maturing well.
ah love it!!
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Good interview! He sounded intelligent and coherent; but did you get a little British accent creeping in? That is always to be expected when a guy leaves home young and goes to another country.
Keep working hard KJ. We need you for the WC prelims.
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Good interview! He sounded intelligent and coherent; but did you get a little British accent creeping in? That is always to be expected when a guy leaves home young and goes to another country.
Keep working hard KJ. We need you for the WC prelims.
Yeah storeboy, i heard ah lil ting creeping in, but he sounding more like a "proper" talking Trini rather than British (like mr. naturally good)
lol
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Yeah storeboy, i heard ah lil ting creeping in, but he sounding more like a "proper" talking Trini rather than British (like mr. naturally good)
lol
Nathurally good..
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See what exposure can do ? You have to take your hats off to the Brits- They deal with total development not just with footballing skills.
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See what exposure can do ? You have to take your hats off to the Brits- They deal with total development not just with footballing skills.
Brits don't develop anything...they take from others and claim it to be theirs!!!!
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See what exposure can do ? You have to take your hats off to the Brits- They deal with total development not just with footballing skills.
If yuh mean exposure to good education in T&T then yes. The man went to St. Anthony's College in Trinidad yuh know.
That alone could make him one of the more educated players in the PFL :beermug:
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Man try to tell him his goal not important ;D
KJ always speaks well, I don't think I would give credit to "the Brits"
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Time in Briton didnt help everybody!!
Here are some of Jason Scotland's finest!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROwA0c0FasI
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See what exposure can do ? You have to take your hats off to the Brits- They deal with total development not just with footballing skills.
If yuh mean exposure to good education in T&T then yes. The man went to St. Anthony's College in Trinidad yuh know.
That alone could make him one of the more educated players in the PFL :beermug:
:D
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See what exposure can do ? You have to take your hats off to the Brits- They deal with total development not just with footballing skills.
If yuh mean exposure to good education in T&T then yes. The man went to St. Anthony's College in Trinidad yuh know.
That alone could make him one of the more educated players in the PFL :beermug:
:D
And EPL :devil:
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Time in Briton didnt help everybody!!
Here are some of Jason Scotland's finest!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROwA0c0FasI
The irony of this clip is that Leon Briton sound like he need more help than Scotty.
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Dihno explain your gif for me with Pep and Eto. I keep trying to figure out the story behind it. What's was Pep's scene?
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http://www.youtube.com/v/dYoB0x-GJsQ
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http://youtu.be/O6Fj10W5RCk (http://youtu.be/O6Fj10W5RCk)
Kj come off singing Beres yes lol
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:beermug: :challenge: big tune!!
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Met up with a few close friends of KJ and we all know whats going on him and his wife, so I didn't think it was a big deal to post this.
His wife leave him and now KJ has found new life with his long time girl friend Keisha, I saw her driving a Lexus in Laventille Road, apparently she is pregnant with his child and he has engage her.
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Met up with a few close friends of KJ and we all know whats going on him and his wife, so I didn't think it was a big deal to post this.
His wife leave him and now KJ has found new life with his long time girl friend Keisha, I saw her driving a Lexus in Laventille Road, apparently she is pregnant with his child and he has engage her.
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Exactly!
Did we need a new thread for his!? ::)
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Come nah man Sando tomorrow the mans playing in the FA Cup final jed ,delete this shit till next week nah . Didnt you get the memo ,no negative vibes till next week.
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Come nah man Sando tomorrow the mans playing in the FA Cup final jed ,delete this shit till next week nah . Didnt you get the memo ,no negative vibes till next week.
he was ah washer woman in ah former life doh study it ::)
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Ammmmm....How can this new girl be his 'longtime" girlfriend if he and his wife been together since he was 17 ??? ??? ???
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Ammmmm....How can this new girl be his 'longtime" girlfriend if he and his wife been together since he was 17 ??? ??? ???
so what you never had a girl before seventeen... man kill this talk nah.
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Leave de man personal business alone. talk foot-ball talk only. Is one thing to tell de mah he is ah lazy man. But doh bring de mah personal business on de forum. So what if ah man done with one gul and have ah next! When yuh playing ball at de top level and making money yuh could get what yuh want. leave de feller alone. Bull them KJ.
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Alyu good yes!!
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Ammmmm....How can this new girl be his 'longtime" girlfriend if he and his wife been together since he was 17 ??? ??? ???
so what you never had a girl before seventeen... man kill this talk nah.
So I guess you interpreted it as "long ago" because I interpreted it as long time meaning that they together for "months" or even "years". It's just the words I'm clarifying not the actions.. :beermug: :beermug:
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shoot i doh care either way!
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I really thought Tallman was the go too man on here.
Ah trini ah trini ah trini ah trini
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Steups...I don't see what the big deal is anyway. He's a public figure and it comes with the territory. I don't find this subject should be treated as if it's taboo. When Rooney and Terry make headlines. Every tom, dick and harry had a joke to make about their situation. What makes this situation any different? It's one of our own? Or is it that's who we are? We're afraid to speak about it when it hits close to home?? :-\ :-\
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Ammmmm....How can this new girl be his 'longtime" girlfriend if he and his wife been together since he was 17 ??? ??? ???
He was cheating with this girl and his wife found out thats why she left him. The girl is living a sweet life in T&T, a Lexus and a Laurel, nice house too.
She went to England and met up with Jones and his wife found out. His wife still lives where Jones use to live while playing for Sunderland.
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Macomere man business.
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Ah feel it people on this forum who obsessed with this fella!
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Ammmmm....How can this new girl be his 'longtime" girlfriend if he and his wife been together since he was 17 ??? ??? ???
He was cheating with this girl and his wife found out thats why she left him. The girl is living a sweet life in T&T, a Lexus and a Laurel, nice house too.
She went to England and met up with Jones and his wife found out. His wife still lives where Jones use to live while playing for Sunderland.
the whole folder get open right there lol
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Macomere man business.
you are correct sir ::)
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Steups...I don't see what the big deal is anyway. He's a public figure and it comes with the territory. I don't find this subject should be treated as if it's taboo. When Rooney and Terry make headlines. Every tom, dick and harry had a joke to make about their situation. What makes this situation any different? It's one of our own? Or is it that's who we are? We're afraid to speak about it when it hits close to home?? :-\ :-\
Same thing I saying a while now.....
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Still don"t see why some people being so "hush hush" with this. People get divorced and move on for whatever reasons. It happens. Like I said people laughed and made jokes about Tiger Woods, Rooney and John Terry. We call Jack Warner all kind of names here. I remember claims about "Hazel living in the Hyatt". How come this topic becomes "macomere" thing and taboo to mention? What makes it sooo different?
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Still don"t see why some people being so "hush hush" with this. People get divorced and move on for whatever reasons. It happens. Like I said people laughed and made jokes about Tiger Woods, Rooney and John Terry. We call Jack Warner all kind of names here. I remember claims about "Hazel living in the Hyatt". How come this topic becomes "macomere" thing and taboo to mention? What makes it sooo different?
because he had a big game tday andif he clicked on,mit be a little shocng to see your lifeexposed
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Yuh see dat is y ah does lose it and want tuh send mey dawgs tuh find some ah all yuh. Ah like how all yuh defending Jones personal life, dat is very good. But when ah was saying tuh leave Latapy personal business off de forum, nuff ah all yuh had an attitude about dat. Dat is one ah de reason, ah does just read a lot and hardly post, too much ah of 2 face manikoo men round here. Bulllate fuh dem. HIGHLY BLESSED.
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This what I'm saying. It can't be one rule for some and another for others. It's either we discuss all or we discuss none. On this forum, there have been discussions on the personal lives of politician, sportsmen and other persons in the public eye. Enough men here always making joke about how many girls Dwight and Lara "brush' or who they "brushing" and now all of a sudden personal life shouldn't be discussed?
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NO MATTER GAME DONE ,YOUR FREE TO WALK AROUND THE FORUM.
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NO MATTER GAME DONE ,YOUR FREE TO WALK AROUND THE FORUM.
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How do we best utilize him?
Our other forwards Baptist, Jorsling, Molino, Scotland, Peltier, et. al. eh really lighting up their leagues
Observer and all the pundits?
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learn to cross better. edit: Jones need good service. T&T cah cross for shit
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learn to cross better. edit: Jones need good service. T&T cah cross for shit
Precisely. That aspect of our game is and has for a long time been lacking. Rolls Royce was about de best at getting down de wing and bringing it in and even his crosses were sub standard. Dey try a ting with Evans Wise.. well lets not get into dat. Learn to cross de dam ball if we are to expect headers and touch in goals in de box!
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Stoke City in 'last bid' for Spurs duo Crouch & Palacios
Peter Crouch and Wilson Palacios.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/s/stoke_city/9560744.stm
Stoke City have made a final offer to Tottenham for striker Peter Crouch and midfielder Wilson Palacios.
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Nope!!
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No! Fact is Kenwyne and Jon Walters are the only fit strikers the club has...
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not in jeopardy
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Spurs looking to pick up Adebayor.
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Stoke mission is to stock the side with as many tall men and wild men as possible.. I think they start the last game with 4 centre backs..
The more the merrier.
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From what i read, they were in for rodelliaga or what ever his name is (the fella that show up scotty) :devil:. right now stoke only have two fit strikers, KJ and walters. that's it, the squad down to the bare marrow.
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Stoke just beat F.C. Thun 1 - 0 in the Europa League, in Switzerland. Kenwynne was taken off in the 66th minute.
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So Kenwyne have a lil competition this season with the arrivals of Crouch and Jerome ....he hadda work hard or might find himself park on d bench .....wonder what Kenwyne we will see for the rest of the season
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So Kenwyne have a lil competition this season with the arrivals of Crouch and Jerome ....he hadda work hard or might find himself park on d bench .....wonder what Kenwyne we will see for the rest of the season
It's all good. I expect him to up his game.
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Hopefully this will give him a lil more drive ..... Cuz any 4 of the forwards could start at any time in any partnership
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they need the depth since theyll b in europe
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So who is better between KJ and Crouch?
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So who is better between KJ and Crouch?
that aint even ah worthy comparison...crouch is ah SHITTTTHONG!!!
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So who is better between KJ and Crouch?
When last you see KJ miss a point blank header like Crouch did this weekend against Man City? Crouch will only start if KJ needs a rest. look fuh KJ and Jerome to be a regular tandem as the season progresses. I agree with Stallion this question eh even worth an answer doh
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KJ better at headers but Crouch is better with the ball at his feet.
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KJ better at headers but Crouch is better with the ball at his feet.
No argument there but until Stoke start playing ball consistently on the ground KJ is still the biggest and most potent threat. Apart from that (despite the fee) I envison Jerome and KJ working in tandem. Jerome better on the ground than both Crouch and KJ and will benefit from KJs play much like Bent at Sunderland. Crouch is slower and a worse overall finisher, I just cant understand why these managers love him so nah. he is ah rank shithong to me!!
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KJ better at headers but Crouch is better with the ball at his feet.
No argument there but until Stoke start playing ball consistently on the ground KJ is still the biggest and most potent threat. Apart from that (despite the fee) I envison Jerome and KJ working in tandem. Jerome better on the ground than both Crouch and KJ and will benefit from KJs play much like Bent at Sunderland. Crouch is slower and a worse overall finisher, I just cant understand why these managers love him so nah. he is ah rank shithong to me!!
They like Crouch's height despite the fact that he's NOT good in the air. Might be interesting to see him AND KJ in the same lineup though. Two really tall strikers who are also good with the ball at their feet.
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They like Crouch's height despite the fact that he's NOT good in the air.
U are right and that makes dem look stupid because only half decent aeirial ability at 6'5" and higher is a waste. Unless they plan to bombard teams with missiles thru the air he and KJ not gonna be on together and barring injury dat guy have nutten atall on KJ even with slightly better ball controlling ability. Waste of money on Pulis part. Better he did go back fuh Carew (where de hell is he anyway?).
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Crouch strength in the air is redirecting long balls to runners in the run of play- he very good at that, which is why he was a 100% stater for Tott in their CL campaign last season (and not always domestically) - sides from the continent had a hard time dealing with that big man target (until he pelt two chupid blade against Madrid, and it all fell apart) - in the box though Crouch seems to prefer the ball at his feet (unless he have a dreadlocks tuh hold on to ;D)... To me KJ is good at both, redirecting the long balls, and attacking the aerial balls in the box...His on the ground game is very basic- lay off and clear the channel....so I doh see how dem two gonna complement eachother. I think KJ will thrive best in a lone striker scenario or a big man/small man pairing...and tuh be honest, Stoke game is built around KJ - Pulis is a simple, direct manager, not trying to punch above his weight like Steve Bruce attempting to acquire "skill players" to play a more sophisticated more complex approach game...
At the moment iz KJ and any odder 10 it look like.
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No argument there but until Stoke start playing ball consistently on the ground KJ is still the biggest and most potent threat. Apart from that (despite the fee) I envison Jerome and KJ working in tandem. Jerome better on the ground than both Crouch and KJ and will benefit from KJs play much like Bent at Sunderland. Crouch is slower and a worse overall finisher, I just cant understand why these managers love him so nah. he is ah rank shithong to me!!
I can't believe men still making this argument after the way the situations have played out for both teams. Yes, I'm sure Bent 'benefitted' from KJ's play the way any striker would from having another threat on his team alongside.... but the implication has always been that "if not for KJ Bent woulda never score all dem goals". Bent has scored everywhere he's been, regardless as to which team and who's on the field. The man know how to position himself to poach goals. Bent scored 25 goals alongside KJ (assuming they were both on the field all the time) and 20 goals the season after KJ moved on to Stoke (11 w/Sunderland, 9 with Villa). Kenwyne's game has never benefitted any other player to the great extent allyuh trying to make it.
And Crouch is still a very good player, man just hating on him fuh what happen in Germany 5 yrs ago. He's deadly with both head and feet and moves better off the ball. Crouch's header at City might have been 'point blank' as you say (which it wasn't), but by no means was it a sitter... he tried to place it far post past Hart and just missed by about a foot or less. Happens all the time.
They like Crouch's height despite the fact that he's NOT good in the air. Might be interesting to see him AND KJ in the same lineup though. Two really tall strikers who are also good with the ball at their feet.
Since when is Crouch not good in the air? Since when is KJ good with the ball at his feet for that matter?
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I can't believe men still making this argument after the way the situations have played out for both teams. Yes, I'm sure Bent 'benefitted' from KJ's play the way any striker would from having another threat on his team alongside.... but the implication has always been that "if not for KJ Bent woulda never score all dem goals". Bent has scored everywhere he's been, regardless as to which team and who's on the field. The man know how to position himself to poach goals. Bent scored 25 goals alongside KJ (assuming they were both on the field all the time) and 20 goals the season after KJ moved on to Stoke (11 w/Sunderland, 9 with Villa). Kenwyne's game has never benefitted any other player to the great extent allyuh trying to make it.
And Crouch is still a very good player, man just hating on him fuh what happen in Germany 5 yrs ago. He's deadly with both head and feet and moves better off the ball. Crouch's header at City might have been 'point blank' as you say (which it wasn't), but by no means was it a sitter... he tried to place it far post past Hart and just missed by about a foot or less. Happens all the time.
They like Crouch's height despite the fact that he's NOT good in the air. Might be interesting to see him AND KJ in the same lineup though. Two really tall strikers who are also good with the ball at their feet.
Since when is Crouch not good in the air? Since when is KJ good with the ball at his feet for that matter?
Hoss I never cared about what he did in Germany enough to hold that against him. He did what many other players would have done if they thought they could get away with it. Against City you could say what yuh want but dat was goal if was KJ. As fuh de Bent thing you could see it how yuh want but notice it decreased the next season though. I doh understand why people like try to diminish KJ contribution when even Bent himself said he loved playing alonside KJ and aluded to the very same benefit that I suggested. Either way is all opinions, u have urs I have mine. :beermug:
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I've never found Crouch to be 'good in the air'. Despite the fact that he's 6'7" or thereabouts. Maybe it's because he's so tall that he seems worse than he actually is. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the man can't head a ball but given his height he doesn't seem to be dominant in the air. And as I remember one commentator saying "Peter Crouch is the only player he's ever seen who seems to lose height when he jumps".
As for KJ, despite the fact that he's been used for his height and ability to win balls in the air, I find he has pretty decent ball control (though he's been criticized for having a heavy first touch). I'm thinking about some of the passes and layoffs in the box I saw him make last season and a couple of runs he made in some of his better games for Stoke last season (don't remember the specific games).
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Hoss I never cared about what he did in Germany enough to hold that against him. He did what many other players would have done if they thought they could get away with it. Against City you could say what yuh want but dat was goal if was KJ. As fuh de Bent thing you could see it how yuh want but notice it decreased the next season though. I doh understand why people like try to diminish KJ contribution when even Bent himself said he loved playing alonside KJ and aluded to the very same benefit that I suggested. Either way is all opinions, u have urs I have mine. :beermug:
That drop off of 5 goals easily could be attributed to him moving to Villa in the middle of the season and trying to fit into a new system... he still managed to score 9 goals in just 16 appearances for villa, in keeping with the 11 in 23 games for Sunderland that same year. I not at all trying to diminish KJ's effect at Sunderland, I just find it ludicrous for man to imply that he made Bent into the player he was at Sunderland when Bent is and has always been that player, a born goal scorer.
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That drop off of 5 goals easily could be attributed to him moving to Villa in the middle of the season and trying to fit into a new system... he still managed to score 9 goals in just 16 appearances for villa, in keeping with the 11 in 23 games for Sunderland that same year. I not at all trying to diminish KJ's effect at Sunderland, I just find it ludicrous for man to imply that he made Bent into the player he was at Sunderland when Bent is and has always been that player, a born goal scorer.
I fuhget U is ah 3 Lions fan eh, ah really did. Nobody eh say he make Bent hoss. All I say is Jerome stand to benefit similarly to how Bent did during the partnership. And doh matter wha yuh say Bent take he own mouth and said he enjoy playing with KJ because it free him up.
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I fuhget U is ah 3 Lions fan eh, ah really did. Nobody eh say he make Bent hoss. All I say is Jerome stand to benefit similarly to how Bent did during the partnership. And doh matter wha yuh say Bent take he own mouth and said he enjoy playing with KJ because it free him up.
I support TnT first of all... so I dunno what me being ah England supporter have to do with anything. Funny yuh should say nobody say he make Bent... I seem to recall you yuhself saying as much, albeit in another thread. Of course Bent go say he enjoy playing with KJ... yuh expect him tuh say otherwise? Come nah man... lol
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looking forward to see KJ no hand back flip, meaning, buss bermuda net an start the road to brazil with a bang in group B.
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My take on this situation is this,regardless to what we think and feel about Crouch he is an English international and where ever he goes they will have to find a place for him to play on a regular basis,wheather it's starting or coming off the bench,having good games or playing bad.
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I fuhget U is ah 3 Lions fan eh, ah really did. Nobody eh say he make Bent hoss. All I say is Jerome stand to benefit similarly to how Bent did during the partnership. And doh matter wha yuh say Bent take he own mouth and said he enjoy playing with KJ because it free him up.
I support TnT first of all... so I dunno what me being ah England supporter have to do with anything. Funny yuh should say nobody say he make Bent... I seem to recall you yuhself saying as much, albeit in another thread. Of course Bent go say he enjoy playing with KJ... yuh expect him tuh say otherwise? Come nah man... lol
U like a f**kin elephant eh lmao. Wey ah say dat sucka?!! Anyhow yuh right eh is nuh like he couldna just say it works an is good instead ah talkin bout how much he love it ;D Now stop derailin de friggin thread wid yuh Bent tawk dis is about shit pot Crouch being as good as KJ overall
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Kenwyn Jones might be playing in the EPL and scores some goals from time to time,he is no way prolific as we know,he is now back trying to help TT qualify for Brazil 2014 but he continues to be our most prolific when it comes too missing easy goals.Jones was also our most prolific "misser"in our attempt to qualify for South Africa and had he taken half those chances we would have gone to SA,he is now our captain so the missing may continue for some time unless he is put in midfield.He missed 3 sitters against Bim and also missed at least 2 easy ones against Bermuda,he shouldn't be our first choice striker,I hope Otto Pfister can make that change.How can any supporter be happy with our first 2 matches when we are left to hope that we improve,if we continue the way we are presently playing Guyana may top this group,its a reality and we cant keep kidding ourselves that we are waiting to gel because our core players have played together for 180 minutes and are off again until November,too much talk has been placed on gelling,the main reason for our lame performances is our inability to put away easy chances and that may come back to haunt us.I bloody well hope it doesn't,please Mr.Pfister move Jones to mid field,he may not have the oppurtunity to miss somany easy chances.
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Kenwyn Jones might be playing in the EPL and scores some goals from time to time,he is no way prolific as we know,he is now back trying to help TT qualify for Brazil 2014 but he continues to be our most prolific when it comes too missing easy goals.Jones was also our most prolific "misser"in our attempt to qualify for South Africa and had he taken half those chances we would have gone to SA,he is now our captain so the missing may continue for some time unless he is put in midfield.He missed 3 sitters against
Total rubbish!!
Here we go again!!
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frico,
did u see the "sitters" KJ missed?
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Kenwyn Jones might be playing in the EPL and scores some goals from time to time,he is no way prolific as we know,he is now back trying to help TT qualify for Brazil 2014 but he continues to be our most prolific when it comes too missing easy goals.Jones was also our most prolific "misser"in our attempt to qualify for South Africa and had he taken half those chances we would have gone to SA,he is now our captain so the missing may continue for some time unless he is put in midfield.He missed 3 sitters against
Total rubbish!!
Here we go again!!
We could only get dis for free!
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Kenwyn Jones might be playing in the EPL and scores some goals from time to time,he is no way prolific as we know,he is now back trying to help TT qualify for Brazil 2014 but he continues to be our most prolific when it comes too missing easy goals.Jones was also our most prolific "misser"in our attempt to qualify for South Africa and had he taken half those chances we would have gone to SA,he is now our captain so the missing may continue for some time unless he is put in midfield.He missed 3 sitters against
Total rubbish!!
Here we go again!!
We could only get dis for free!
ENT!!! dem fellahs rel jokey yes!!!!!
So Otto and all ah dem other EPL coaches dat KJ had/have basically clueless and you Mr. Frico know best how to utilize KJ's skill? And dat is by playin him in de midfield?
Why we eh just drop him him and done cause chances are he might get chances from there too and miss ;)
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I understand where Frico coming with KJ. There is concern here. We can't wait for KJ to gel. He needs to score them goals. I for one eh underestimating Guyana. Yes I still have meh Trini swagger. But that swagger is all talk for now. We have to back that by scoring goals. Take all our chances and win.
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I understand where Frico coming with KJ. There is concern here. We can't wait for KJ to gel. He needs to score them goals. I for one eh underestimating Guyana. Yes I still have meh Trini swagger. But that swagger is all talk for now. We have to back that by scoring goals. Take all our chances and win.
Straight up man,you unstan what I am saying,the bottom line is KJ missing too many sitters for TT AND THAT STARTED SINCE OUR QUALIFICATION FOR SOUTH AFRICA.Someone asked whether I saw the misses he had against Bim,no I didn't but arn't we supposed to believe the commies,furthermore I saw KJ with blatant misses against everybody in our last HEX,in the EPL he misses 4 or 5 but gets 1.
Deeks said he still got his "Trini swagger",I may have lost that swagger but I still love TT,the bottom line is as DEEKS say "KJ have to start putting chances away",I am sure Otto wont accept that for too long. 8)
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Dude is a loofer! During the match on Saturday Stokes had a break and instead of bussin a gut to be a target in the area for a cross or pass, dude was joggin forward like he didn't want to receive the ball for a play. Seen he do that a few times which is why I was surprise when I read that he was considered one of the fastest in the league. When did he ever turn the burners on to be considered one of the fastest? I think sometimes he doesn't put him self in positions to receive the ball because he may not want the responsibility of having to make a play with the ball. Players find ways to hide on the feild when they don't want to receive the ball in positive areas.
I saw that with a friend and both ah we cuss,he cyah carry on like that.
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KJ really missed two fairly easy sitters for a striker plying his trade in one of the best leagues in the globe, remind me of a Saturday sweat in NYC, has to do better at this level
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Every armchair fan can be a professional coach/critic...such a beautiful thing
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Dis asshole talk eh even worth ah response really nah.
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KJ really missed two fairly easy sitters for a striker plying his trade in one of the best leagues in the globe, remind me of a Saturday sweat in NYC, has to do better at this level
I eh tryin' tuh make excuses fuh de man eh, but both chances it look like the turf kinda mess up his touch on the ball.
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Dis asshole talk eh even worth ah response really nah.
Dwight get he pong, Stern get he pong, who is KJ to get exempt from licks?
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Every armchair fan can be a professional coach/critic...such a beautiful thing
I think deep down everyone wants to see Jones become a matchwinner,he has the attributes and the feeling is that he does not try hard enough,that fact has been seen blatantly in the EPL.There will always be armchair coaches and post mortems after games in which your heart is deeply sunk into,we get vex but no harm intended,that will never stop.There are some very good posters on this MB and I am sure there are some good coaches,most people can read a game its not rocket science. 8)
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Dis asshole talk eh even worth ah response really nah.
Dwight get he pong, Stern get he pong, who is KJ to get exempt from licks?
You saying so now. If B'dos had come back and win 3-2, it would have been a different story. In the last Hex we screwed up against El Sal. We should have beaten them in their own stadium. We missed goals including the sky-high penalty. We were lucky to come out with a draw. KJ eh no rookie. I will only make excuse for him because the ttff messed up with the prep. I hope he ready for GT. Me eh want to hear excuses for future games. This is real. No experiment excuse, I just come down from the cold excuse, we still gelling, etc....
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Dis asshole talk eh even worth ah response really nah.
Dwight get he pong, Stern get he pong, who is KJ to get exempt from licks?
I not refferin to dat breds. Bigger names dan all yuh mentioned does take heat. And bigger than him have missed even easier opportunities or pushed a ball a little too far on what would be considered immaculate pitches, so by all means pong away. What struck me as rell shit was "the missing may continue for some time unless he is put in midfield" Why on earth should KJ be played in midfield? If dat eh de height ah assholishness den me eh kno what is nah.
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Hoss I never cared about what he did in Germany enough to hold that against him. He did what many other players would have done if they thought they could get away with it. Against City you could say what yuh want but dat was goal if was KJ. As fuh de Bent thing you could see it how yuh want but notice it decreased the next season though. I doh understand why people like try to diminish KJ contribution when even Bent himself said he loved playing alonside KJ and aluded to the very same benefit that I suggested. Either way is all opinions, u have urs I have mine. :beermug:
That drop off of 5 goals easily could be attributed to him moving to Villa in the middle of the season and trying to fit into a new system... he still managed to score 9 goals in just 16 appearances for villa, in keeping with the 11 in 23 games for Sunderland that same year. I not at all trying to diminish KJ's effect at Sunderland, I just find it ludicrous for man to imply that he made Bent into the player he was at Sunderland when Bent is and has always been that player, a born goal scorer.
The drop off in goals was down to him wanting a move nothing more nothing less. At the time , and tbf at the start of the season he had niggling injuries, but in November / December he wasn't doing what he normally did, chase etc. Indeed in the Newcastle match I thought he was injured because there was a couple of occasions he just didn't really try for a ball you would normally expect him to compete for if not win. There was more in that move than money and still don't know what it was (although he was/is giving Bruce's daughter some service allegedly). I don't know waht goes on with Bruce and strikers Kenwyne, Bent and now Gyan, maybe he upsets them because of the way he sets the team up. Pulis is a strange manager so god knows who he'll play, but you do know how they'll play.
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The drop off in goals was down to him wanting a move nothing more nothing less. At the time , and tbf at the start of the season he had niggling injuries, but in November / December he wasn't doing what he normally did, chase etc. Indeed in the Newcastle match I thought he was injured because there was a couple of occasions he just didn't really try for a ball you would normally expect him to compete for if not win. There was more in that move than money and still don't know what it was (although he was/is giving Bruce's daughter some service allegedly). I don't know waht goes on with Bruce and strikers Kenwyne, Bent and now Gyan, maybe he upsets them because of the way he sets the team up. Pulis is a strange manager so god knows who he'll play, but you do know how they'll play.
LOL... allyuh men ain't easy :rotfl: When yuh say 'service', yuh mean like cross balls and thing? lol
As for Bruce... he's one of them old school managers, or at least he fancies himself one. They like to criticize their players in the press... not sure if he's done this with Gyan, but certainly with KJ and Bent. Not every player will respond to that sort of approach.
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Dis asshole talk eh even worth ah response really nah.
Dwight get he pong, Stern get he pong, who is KJ to get exempt from licks?
You saying so now. If B'dos had come back and win 3-2, it would have been a different story. In the last Hex we screwed up against El Sal. We should have beaten them in their own stadium. We missed goals including the sky-high penalty. We were lucky to come out with a draw. KJ eh no rookie. I will only make excuse for him because the ttff messed up with the prep. I hope he ready for GT. Me eh want to hear excuses for future games. This is real. No experiment excuse, I just come down from the cold excuse, we still gelling, etc....
I take it yuh quote me by accident right?
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Dis asshole talk eh even worth ah response really nah.
Dwight get he pong, Stern get he pong, who is KJ to get exempt from licks?
I not refferin to dat breds. Bigger names dan all yuh mentioned does take heat. And bigger than him have missed even easier opportunities or pushed a ball a little too far on what would be considered immaculate pitches, so by all means pong away. What struck me as rell shit was "the missing may continue for some time unless he is put in midfield" Why on earth should KJ be played in midfield? If dat eh de height ah assholishness den me eh kno what is nah.
oh ok yeah...i onboard with u all the way den :D
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The drop off in goals was down to him wanting a move nothing more nothing less. At the time , and tbf at the start of the season he had niggling injuries, but in November / December he wasn't doing what he normally did, chase etc. Indeed in the Newcastle match I thought he was injured because there was a couple of occasions he just didn't really try for a ball you would normally expect him to compete for if not win. There was more in that move than money and still don't know what it was (although he was/is giving Bruce's daughter some service allegedly). I don't know waht goes on with Bruce and strikers Kenwyne, Bent and now Gyan, maybe he upsets them because of the way he sets the team up. Pulis is a strange manager so god knows who he'll play, but you do know how they'll play.
LOL... allyuh men ain't easy :rotfl: When yuh say 'service', yuh mean like cross balls and thing? lol
As for Bruce... he's one of them old school managers, or at least he fancies himself one. They like to criticize their players in the press... not sure if he's done this with Gyan, but certainly with KJ and Bent. Not every player will respond to that sort of approach.
If thats giving her one then yes.
Yes he has done it to Gyan aswell and has even said the 2 kids are just kids so won't be any good for another 18 months or so, (as an excuse) not exactly great man management.
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Manchester United fan fined £200 for racially abusing Kenwyne Jones
Press Association
A Manchester United fan who shouted racist abuse at a black player has been fined £200 and banned from football matches for three years.
Howard Hobson, 57, shouted the abuse and made monkey noises at Stoke City's Trinidad-born player Kenwyne Jones during the first half at Old Trafford on 31 January, Trafford magistrates court heard.
The defendant was asked to explain his actions by JPs after pleading guilty to a single charge of a racially aggravated public order offence.
"I'm not racist," he told the bench. "I have coloured people in my family and most of my best mates are coloured. I don't know what came over me. I'm deeply sorry."
After the half-time interval when Hobson returned to his seat he was spoken to by stewards and taken away and then transferred to a police station in Salford.
Hobson, of Weaver Walk, Openshaw, Manchester, who is not a season-ticket holder at Old Trafford, told officers he had come to the match straight from his job as a fork lift truck driver and drank four bottles of beer but was not drunk.
He admitted making some comments about the Stoke player "in the heat of the moment" and accepted he used the words "black bastard". He said he could not remember using the words "wog" or "monkey" but accepted what the witness had reported him as saying.
Rachel Goode, mitigating, said the defendant was "extremely embarrassed" by his behaviour.
"He has serious concerns he will lose his job as a result of this," she told the bench. "He can't really explain his actions on that day. It's out of character for him. He has family and friends of mixed race and he's now branded a racist."
Hobson was fined £200 and ordered to pay a £15 victim surcharge and £85 court costs. The football banning order means he is not allowed to enter a football ground in England and Wales for three years or he could be arrested and he must surrender his passport when England play internationals abroad.
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/SPORT/Pix/pictures/2012/2/8/1328713968140/Howard-Hobson-007.jpg)
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^^^^
that is what a c*nt look like my virgin friends.
notice the resemblance to john terry.
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Daiz ok is Man United and KJ lazy anyways.
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Man United? Can't be... they musse make ah mistake, everybody know is only Liverpool have de racist fans. Ent Triniairman?
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My boy use de standard 'I have
black cullud friends' defense oui
dosent anybody say 'sen dem back to africa' no more?
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Man United? Can't be... they musse make ah mistake, everybody know is only Liverpool have de racist fans. Ent Triniairman?
Same story from the other day, you brought this up already...nothing new!
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Daiz ok is Man United and KJ lazy anyways.
He look like Kenny and Suarez too :devil:
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You could actually spot this man coming over the horizon as a racist, the ugly bastard looks like a slim down version to that well known racist comedian Bernard Manning also from Manchester,happily de c**t is now dead.
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that is what a c*nt look like my virgin friends.
notice the resemblance to john terry.
:rotfl:
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that is what a c*nt look like my virgin friends.
notice the resemblance to john terry.
LOL! Ent! :rotfl:
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My boy use de standard 'I have black cullud friends' defense oui
dosent anybody say 'sen dem back to africa' no more?
Never mind that, I eh even realize, people use the word "coloured" to describe people of African descent anymore. On the topic, Kenwyne will just have to take this in stride. There will always be racist people in the world.
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Best headers in the game
Stoke Ken-wyne Without Jones but is Crouch the Answer?
by Martin Laurence
Tuesday, Sep 13 2011
In terms of the Premier League's most aerially dominant strikers, the usual suspects made the line-up from last season, and unsurprisingly, Stoke were well represented. The Potters have since added the lankiest of them all in Peter Crouch, joining the ranks alongside the likes of Kenwyne Jones and Jonathan Walters at the Britannia.
The England international immediately took his place in the starting XI to make his debut against one of a long list of former clubs in Liverpool, somewhat surprisingly at the expense of Jones. Stoke pulled off a great win over a flying Liverpool side though Crouch’s, and previously Jones’ partner Walters proved to be the match-winner from the spot. The decision from Tony Pulis will be seen as an early indicator that he will not be playing two out-and-out target men in the same team, but is Crouch really more effective than Jones?
Who Scored investigates the leading large front men from 2010/11 season still to be playing in the Premier League based on their ability to win aerial duels. Stoke's front pairing of Jones and Walters both make the top 20 in the league from last year, with the former unparalleled across the entire division, and most interestingly, winning considerably more in the air than Crouch.
1. Kenwyne Jones
Headers Won per game (2010/11): 6.82
Stoke City are renowned for their no nonsense approach to getting the ball up to their strikers, into the box and in turn, preferably into the net. Their forwards are not the only ones to benefit from such an approach with the likes of Robert Huth and Ryan Shawcross representing significant goal threats from the back, but in Kenwyne Jones, Pulis and Stoke have a true target man to aim at. At 6'2" he is a full 5 inches shorter than his new teammate Crouch, though his incredible leap sees him outshine the Englishman in the air.
(http://164.177.157.12/img/blog/2011%2f9%2fJones-Stats-Study.jpg)
Last season the Trinidadian netted 6 goals with his head and won an incredible 225 aerial duels over the course of the season, leading the way in the league in terms of headers per game for any striker with 6.82 from his 33 starts. His aerial success rate of 58% may not seem spectacular but is highly effective given the defenders he faces- predominantly the taller of any oppositions centre halves.
In just 3 starts this season Jones has already opened his account with his head, winning 16 duels overall at a rate of 5.33 per game and a slightly improved success rate of 59%, proving that he may have been unfortunate to lose his place in the side last time out.
2. Andy Carroll
Headers Won per game (2010/11): 6.78
Just behind Jones in terms of headers won per game, Andy Carroll is an unsurprising inclusion on last year's leaderboard. At just 23, Carroll has the hopes of a nation, especially those from the red side of Liverpool, resting on his considerable sized shoulders- just a portion of his 6'3" frame. Making the switch from Newcastle to Anfield for £35m, Carroll has quite a price-tag to fulfil and it is fair to say he hasn't lived up to it yet but will be hoping to prove his worth under Dalglish this term.
In 23 starts overall last season, the majority of which came in the North East, Carroll netted an exceptional 5 headed efforts- just 1 less than leading man Jones from far fewer appearances. Overall he won 156 headers at a rate of 6.78 per game. His duel success rate of 54% is down on Jones’ but still mightily impressive and helped earn him his big money move in January. This season he has fallen out of favour somewhat, starting just 2 of his side's 4 matches and failing to score as of yet. In the air he has been his ever-dominant self though, winning 14 duels from his limited game time with a fantastic 82% success rate.
3. Kevin Davies
Headers Won per game (2010/11): 6.37
One could easily be forgiven for assuming that Bolton's talismanic captain Kevin Davies is somewhat of a man mountain due to his ability to win headers, knock downs and frustrate defenders along the way. In fact, the veteran is smallest of our top 6 at a mere 6'0", somewhat diminutive compared to the likes of Crouch, making his appearance as the third best front man in terms of headers won per game all the more impressive. Under Owen Coyle, Bolton are attempting to downplay their long ball image but the saying 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' comes to mind and in Davies they know they have an effective out ball.
Davies' importance to his side is highlighted by the fact that he played every game for the Trotters last term, though just 1 headed goal scored is an unspectacular and equally surprising statistic. Instead, Davies tended to master the knock down to a team mate with his head, winning more aerial duels overall than any other striker in the league with a magnificent 242, equating to 6.37 per game. Considering his decidedly average height for a target man, Davies' aerial success of 58%, equal to Jones, is the most impressive. This season he has been less effective in the air despite winning a decent 50% of his duels, with a lowly figure of 1.75 headers per game, indicative in the change of play that Coyle is attempting to introduce.
4. Leon Best
Headers Won per game (2010/11): 5.78
If there is one surprise inclusion on our leaderboard it is undoubtedly that of Newcastle's Leon Best. At 6'1" he is far from short but hardly your stereotypical tall target man. Best, interestingly brought up through the ranks at Southampton alongside a certain Kenwyne Jones, only made 9 starts for Newcastle last season, playing second, third and even fourth fiddle on occasion to the likes of Carroll at St. James' Park. The young strikers departure somewhat paved the way for Best to prove his worth last term and he did so sufficiently to earn his chance so far this time around.
A tally of 2 headed goals from his limited game time is a decent figure but bettered by the fact that he won a highly effective 5.78 duels per game having won 52 headers in said 9 starts. A 52% aerial success rate is also very encouraging for Newcastle and has been beaten so far this time around with 54% in his 2 starts this season. Winning 7 headers overall, Best has impressed to pick up a WhoScored rating of 7.02 having only ranked below Barton and Carroll for the club in the same ratings last term, despite his infrequent inclusion.
5. Emile Heskey
Headers Won per game (2010/11): 5.36
The much-maligned figure of Emile Heskey deserves credit for his club, Aston Villa, serving as a willing runner, when indeed upright, and an effective out ball from defence when needed. A string of injuries limited the experienced striker to just 11 starts last season, though he has already proven popular with new manager Alex McLeish who has started the 33-year-old in every game thus far. Last time out against Everton he was forced off early, again due to injury, which could well prove his downfall as he enters his twilight years as a professional. Under the new management Heskey has been used as a support striker in behind poacher Bent, with the long ball to the big man seemingly utilised in an attempt to win flick-ons for his strike partner.
Renowned for his ability to miss over his ability to score by many, Heskey netted a more than respectable 3 headers from just 11 starts last term, winning 59 duels overall at a rate of 5.36 per game. A 52% aerial success rate from last term has been improved upon to give him a very effective 59% return this- better than the likes of Jones and only down on Carroll's figure from his 2 appearances this season. The veteran has already notched this season, though not with his head, but may prove to be more of a bit part player as the campaign draws on.
6. Peter Crouch
Headers Won per game (2010/11): 5.35
Stoke's new record signing and rival to Kenwyne Jones ranked 6th in terms of strikers still in the division for headers won per game last year, proving he was no rival in terms of his aerial prowess compared to his new colleague. Crouch was Spurs' most used front man from the start in the previous campaign despite only making 20 appearances from kick-off. A wily and nimble operator on the deck, Crouch's lanky 6'7" frame leads many to assume he is most useful in the air, though this hasn't always proven the case throughout his career, and indeed last season, netting just 3 headers- half the tally of Jones.
(http://164.177.157.12/img/blog/2011%2f9%2fCrouch-Stats-Study.jpg)
In winning 107 aerial duels overall in 2010/11, Crouch racked up an average of 5.35 per game- a full 1.47 per game less than Jones. The fact that he won the same percentage of aerial duels contested (58%) may be key to Tony Pulis decision to invest such a large amount of cash on the now 30-year-old front man.
Stoke's style will undoubtedly see Crouch challenge in the air far more often than he did at Tottenham. Starting just twice this season, Crouch has won 9 aerial duels at a 59% success rate, meaning if he can continue that form in the air, Pulis may have pulled off a shrewd bit of business, albeit to the potential detriment of a frankly unlucky Kenwyne Jones.
(http://164.177.157.12/img/blog/2011%2f9%2fUsual-Suspects-Target-Men.jpg)
(http://www.normanhood.co.uk/cartoonstore/kenwyne_jones_stoke.jpg)
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And the debate continues
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And the debate continues
Don't know why there is even a debate when "Crouchie" is soooo much better than KJ ::)
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Kenwyne have most of the goods to be ah topper, but it's like he settle for mediocrity instead. real fackin sad. :frustrated:
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Kenwyne have most of the goods to be ah topper, but it's like he settle for mediocrity instead. real fackin sad. :frustrated:
but de stats dint show mediocrity, it actually showed topper. I dont get it! Liverpool needs to sell Carrol and buy KJ and plenty people will have to eat their words. Environment, circumstances and other external factors do play a hand in a guys performance and form. KJ can succeed in the right environment which was Stoke. Check how much goals walters scoring now versus a little while back. all dem aerial winnings does be fallin on walter's feet. The jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. With all dat KJ fan clubbin ah jus do dey ah should end with something like KJ for President!
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Kenwyne have most of the goods to be ah topper, but it's like he settle for mediocrity instead. real fackin sad. :frustrated:
but de stats dint show mediocrity, it actually showed topper. I dont get it! Liverpool needs to sell Carrol and buy KJ and plenty people will have to eat their words. Environment, circumstances and other external factors do play a hand in a guys performance and form. KJ can succeed in the right environment which was Stoke. Check how much goals walters scoring now versus a little while back. all dem aerial winnings does be fallin on walter's feet. The jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. With all dat KJ fan clubbin ah jus do dey ah should end with something like KJ for President!
Breds you preaching not only to the choir, but the preacher himself! anyone on here would tell yuh that i'm one of KJ's biggest supporters and defenders, not only that but one of the fellas who believe that KJ has the potential to be one of the best target men in england today.
i believe that KJ don't work hard enough, and if he did, he could definitely achieve much much more! like forinstance, if he were to work hard enough on his ball control, his shooting and his sense of positional play, and play with heart instead of always complaining and acting like he's ah star boy, i tell you, in no time @ all he'll either be @ united or chelsea.
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I dont get it! Liverpool needs to sell Carrol and buy KJ and plenty people will have to eat their words.
Nah soldier...stop right dey.....we goe keep Carrol
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I dont get it! Liverpool needs to sell Carrol and buy KJ and plenty people will have to eat their words.
Nah soldier...stop right dey.....we goe keep Carrol
yuh know yuh not right for dat!
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Kenwyne have most of the goods to be ah topper, but it's like he settle for mediocrity instead. real fackin sad. :frustrated:
but de stats dint show mediocrity, it actually showed topper. I dont get it! Liverpool needs to sell Carrol and buy KJ and plenty people will have to eat their words. Environment, circumstances and other external factors do play a hand in a guys performance and form. KJ can succeed in the right environment which was Stoke. Check how much goals walters scoring now versus a little while back. all dem aerial winnings does be fallin on walter's feet. The jury is still out as far as I'm concerned. With all dat KJ fan clubbin ah jus do dey ah should end with something like KJ for President!
Breds you preaching not only to the choir, but the preacher himself! anyone on here would tell yuh that i'm one of KJ's biggest supporters and defenders, not only that but one of the fellas who believe that KJ has the potential to be one of the best target men in england today.
i believe that KJ don't work hard enough, and if he did, he could definitely achieve much much more! like forinstance, if he were to work hard enough on his ball control, his shooting and his sense of positional play, and play with heart instead of always complaining and acting like he's ah star boy, i tell you, in no time @ all he'll either be @ united or chelsea.
I get this fully. i'll only add that I wonder how much pulis would want KJ to do those things. I think unless KJ goes somewhere where the focus isnt all about voom kick he might be forced to work harder on dat. maybe de lad has bought into his tunnel vision role but I suspect de coach aint no "run with de ball" motivator as well. He can still be molded I believe.
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I get this fully. i'll only add that I wonder how much pulis would want KJ to do those things. I think unless KJ goes somewhere where the focus isnt all about voom kick he might be forced to work harder on dat. maybe de lad has bought into his tunnel vision role but I suspect de coach aint no "run with de ball" motivator as well. He can still be molded I believe.
De fella go be 28 dis year eh.
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I won't waste down my countrymen. I want to encourage KJ to work harder and get back into form. This stat shows that he has at least the physical tools to perform. I wish him the best and hope he climbs out of that hole.
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Hi everyone, I love it here as I have been watching from afar and please understand my point here.
God says ---> "those who finds a wife, finds favor in the lord."
Since Jones horn his wife his career went down.
He got his outside girlfriend pregnant and she is living well in Trinidad while his wife has gone with his kids.
His wife went to Trinidad on vacation and his outside girl came to the UK to spend time, it was well planned out.
He will pay the price now.
Be content with what you have, for God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." So say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not beafraid."
- Hebrews 13:5,6
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Pastor Stuart you is ah damn hypocrite... why you ent leave Janice alone :rotfl:
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Yep..a lot of ppl does evaluate, wonder,wish, diagnose and look for all kinda treatment, when things not going to they liking
But before the malady hit, nobody doh care, "wha you talking bout?" ; I cyah get sick, I young strong & healthy...I cyah get hurt, I fitter at 32 than ah was at 20...I is a pro, you never kick lime...I lime with father Mohammed Buddha , u so backward like u used to walk with Jesus...mind your business, you in a wheelchair, and wha tell man how to run...ah learn ah haven't heard it all, but ah hear a lot. ...
Then comes the reasoning after the fact, and the waste down, the lambaste , the ifs & the butts
Buh Pastor Stuart by your reasoning, he can never again achieve anything again..cause we know, at least ah think we know, he cyah go back and undo whatever u might think is wrong, no matter how much forgiveness and repent he do...so all this time, you lurking, and finally make a contribution, it turn out not to be a contribution at all...well, unless you're the ex, and just wanting to tell your side...sorry, only now realizing...go ahead, get it off yuh chest, dear
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Buh Pastor Stuart by your reasoning, he can never again achieve anything again..cause we know, at least ah think we know, he cyah go back and undo whatever u might think is wrong, no matter how much forgiveness and repent he do...so all this time, you lurking, and finally make a contribution, it turn out not to be a contribution at all...well, unless you're the ex, and just wanting to tell your side...sorry, only now realizing...go ahead, get it off yuh chest, dear
Whether you believe in de spiritual aspects or not, dem kinda scenes does mess up a man focus. Man at work but eh really thinking bout work. On top of dat yuh find de boss advantaging yuh. But yuh mind ain't really on dat neither. Things happening around you but you eh really clicking with none of it.
'Personal issues' is pressure.
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Buh Pastor Stuart by your reasoning, he can never again achieve anything again..cause we know, at least ah think we know, he cyah go back and undo whatever u might think is wrong, no matter how much forgiveness and repent he do...so all this time, you lurking, and finally make a contribution, it turn out not to be a contribution at all...well, unless you're the ex, and just wanting to tell your side...sorry, only now realizing...go ahead, get it off yuh chest, dear
Whether you believe in de spiritual aspects or not, dem kinda scenes does mess up a man focus. Man at work but eh really thinking bout work. On top of dat yuh find de boss advantaging yuh. But yuh mind ain't really on dat neither. Things happening around you but you eh really clicking with none of it.
'Personal issues' is pressure.
Agree..but the question at this point is,not whether what we believe is or is not, but how can he turn it around. Consequently, how can we help ? I think at this point, I can only help by staying positive, and believing in his ability...can't help him by critique his past indiscretions,ex,new personal relationships etc...maybe Dog could give him some guidance, but I don't think we here in a position too...besides, he won't bother with we here anyway...that is reality...
It's like many here, me included don't think Crouch is all that, he might be good,true...but not that good...But Crouch eh care one bit..he still chupid enuff to take he run out before KJ.. ;D
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Adultery is considered a mortal sin and it breaks one of God's 10 commandments. All mortal sin is serious because it separates us from God.
He who conceals his sins does not prosper, but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy.
“The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
- Galatians 5:19
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Adultery is considered a mortal sin and it breaks one of God's 10 commandments. All mortal sin is serious because it separates us from God.
He who conceals his sins does not prosper, but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy.
“The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
- Galatians 5:19
How come Solomon was de wisest man on earth then? He had 400 wives and concubines (outside ting) steups..Jones jes following God first commandment: "Go forth and multiply."
How many ah allyuh preachers does have allyuh Bible in allyuh left hand and allyuh dick in allyuh right hand?
Take this shit to de general discussion board, we does deal with mythology and such there!
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King Solomon was not a child of God sadly as that may sound. Here's a verse which helps us see that, despite of Solomon's wisdom that was given to him by God and the many beautiful verses that Solomon spoke about in Songs of Solomon. King Solomon was not saved despite of building the Lord's House.
God gave Solomon wisdom beyond that which anyone else possessed and he also gave Jones the ability to be a footballer and support his family he created, a wife he married in the sight of God, what they both do with that God given talent is another story.
For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
1Ki 11:4
"King Solomon was obsessed with women. Pharaoh's daughter was only the first of the many foreign women he loved—Moabite, Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonian, and Hittite. He took them from the surrounding pagan nations of which God had clearly warned Israel, "You must not marry them; they'll seduce you into infatuations with their gods." Solomon fell in love with them anyway, refusing to give them up. He had seven hundred royal wives and three hundred concubines—a thousand women in all! And they did seduce him away from God. As Solomon grew older, his wives beguiled him with their alien gods and he became unfaithful—he didn't stay true to his God as his father David had done. Solomon took up with Ashtoreth, the whore goddess of the Sidonians, and Molech, the horrible god of the Ammonites"
I Kings 11:1-5
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Adultery is considered a mortal sin and it breaks one of God's 10 commandments. All mortal sin is serious because it separates us from God.
He who conceals his sins does not prosper, but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy.
“The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
- Galatians 5:19
Me eh even necessarily disagreeing with all that.
But how you know whether man repent or didn't repent or who he confess to or what? All most ah we know bout KJ is from TV. How you know what he and God does talk bout?
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This will be an entertaining thread. Lemme settle dong fuh de long haul eh
(http://www.popcorn-song.com/img/popcorn.gif)
BTW...welcome Pastor Stuart. You have already demonstrated that you are a respectable man in de community :devil:
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SO when he was old...when he was young he was f**king left right and center nad had God's blessings..steups
1 Kings 10 and Ecclesiastes 2:1-11 describe the great wealth of Solomon. 1 Kings 11:3 tells us that he had 700 wives, princesses, and 300 concubines. Now many men would like to have been that man. God also tells us that Solomon was the wisest man of his time.
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wait!! jus now yuh go see santana go come ridin fuh he
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Even if Jones repented he will still have to pay for his sins but will be forgiven providing he does not walk down the same path in the future.
Stern John, Kenwyne Jones, Dwight Yorke wants to be baby fathers but not fathers.
Paying the bills and not being there does affect your family and when your daughter gets pregnant for 2 different men and 2 different baby fathers you want to kill the guys.
"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
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Even if Jones repented he will still have to pay for his sins but will be forgiven providing he does not walk down the same path in the future.
Stern John, Kenwyne Jones, Dwight Yorke wants to be baby fathers but not fathers.
Paying the bills and not being there does affect your family and when your daughter gets pregnant for 2 different men and 2 different baby fathers you want to kill the guys.
"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
yuh ever f**k?
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Yep..a lot of ppl does evaluate, wonder,wish, diagnose and look for all kinda treatment, when things not going to they liking
But before the malady hit, nobody doh care, "wha you talking bout?" ; I cyah get sick, I young strong & healthy...I cyah get hurt, I fitter at 32 than ah was at 20...I is a pro, you never kick lime...I lime with father Mohammed Buddha , u so backward like u used to walk with Jesus...mind your business, you in a wheelchair, and wha tell man how to run...ah learn ah haven't heard it all, but ah hear a lot. ...
Then comes the reasoning after the fact, and the waste down, the lambaste , the ifs & the butts
Buh Pastor Stuart by your reasoning, he can never again achieve anything again..cause we know, at least ah think we know, he cyah go back and undo whatever u might think is wrong, no matter how much forgiveness and repent he do...so all this time, you lurking, and finally make a contribution, it turn out not to be a contribution at all...well, unless you're the ex, and just wanting to tell your side...sorry, only now realizing...go ahead, get it off yuh chest, dear
So what yuh saying... KJ and Pastor Stuart was in ting?
Ooooooogoooooood!!!
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BTW... Welcome Pastor Stuart!
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Mr Jones, good luck to you and your career. You are a brother and will be forgiven, keep trying to better yourself and God will guide you.
God said they will attack you and will not believe you, but don't stop preaching the word.
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There are a lot of people who wants to be members here and Trurtrini with that behavior it will chase them away.
I honestly feel you should have a little respect for posters especially new ones who do not know you.
Your behavior discredits the site and chases new people away.
Like it or not.
PS: Jones and Keisha. .... :rotfl:
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Mr Jones, good luck to you and your career. You are a brother and will be forgiven, keep trying to better yourself and God will guide you.
God said they will attack you and will not believe you, but don't stop preaching the word.
Appss, like yuh get that message personally & direct...bet the guy feeling better ahready...see what in store for the rest ah the world nah hyo...so many wars, hunger, and rip off of players...or this is just the sports news section ?
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There are a lot of people who wants to be members here and Trurtrini with that behavior it will chase them away.
I honestly feel you should have a little respect for posters especially new ones who do not know you.
Your behavior discredits the site and chases new people away.
Like it or not.
PS: Jones and Keisha. .... :rotfl:
I said sorry already, but he need to take that chat to general discussions. But yuh eh find he come talking about de man sexual ways and habits and how God punishing him? When God going and Punish jack warner?
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Why does KJ need to "work hard?" is the only way you can play this can? By us determining what "hard work" is? I don't get it, how do you factor in players like Inzaghi, Van Nistleroy, etc?
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There are a lot of people who wants to be members here and Trurtrini with that behavior it will chase them away.
I honestly feel you should have a little respect for posters especially new ones who do not know you.
Your behavior discredits the site and chases new people away.
Like it or not.
PS: Jones and Keisha. .... :rotfl:
I said sorry already, but he need to take that chat to general discussions. But yuh eh find he come talking about de man sexual ways and habits and how God punishing him? When God going and Punish jack warner?
TT yuh damn right! imagine this man come on the site wid ah set ah preachin, sttuueeepppsssss! this is ah "FOOTBALL" forum, not the general discussion forum, if yuh want tuh preach, then start ah thread on religion over there, but doh bring religousity into the football, and putting the man's personal life on display. like he forgot the greatest commandment ? "do unto other as you would have them do unto you".
BTW, thou shalt not steal, and thou shalt not covet, so how come all them politicians around the world and in sweet T&T stealing left and right and they are prospering ? one comes to mind, the great jack warner. he's stole his whole career into ah million dollar empire.
why am i even responding, :-[ i must be losing it. after all, this pastor staurt fella could be one of our regular members on the alter ego tip, saying what they couldn't say when they are mr hyde, or is that dr jekkle. :thinking:
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Hi everyone, I love it here as I have been watching from afar and please understand my point here.
God says ---> "those who finds a wife, finds favor in the lord."
Since Jones horn his wife his career went down.
He got his outside girlfriend pregnant and she is living well in Trinidad while his wife has gone with his kids.
His wife went to Trinidad on vacation and his outside girl came to the UK to spend time, it was well planned out.
He will pay the price now.
Be content with what you have, for God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." So say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not beafraid."
- Hebrews 13:5,6
Wait-pastors dos gossip? :o
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He getting his chance today. Let's hope he do something with it.
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Jones get the start? Crouch sick? :devil:
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Jones looks lively early (fingers crossed)
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Fuller is a special kinda c**t!
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Jamaican rage
Red card Fuller
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FOOLER AGAIN! What an idiot!!! :pissedoff:
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And Chelsea playing level shit too eh.
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And Chelsea playing level shit too eh.
AVB fault!
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Jones off Cameron Jerome On... Another quiet display, not really his fault though.
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What a pass by Mata. Classy play.
So did Jones get any good passes? I missed most of the game.
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What a pass by Mata. Classy play.
So did Jones get any good passes? I missed most of the game.
won some long balls and i think one half chance on goal, not much in terms of link up play Chelsea had like 70 percent posession but he did look a bit more lively today.
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Jones off Cameron Jerome On... Another quiet display, not really his fault though.
Is it ever?
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http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/27042012/58/premier-league-jones-wins-court-case-perfect-alibi.html
Premier League - Jones wins court case with perfect alibi
Fri, 27 Apr 11:07:00 2012
Football star Kenwyne Jones has won a court case after giving what must be one of the best alibis in legal history.
Authorities charged the 27-year-old with doing 62mph in a 50mph zone in his Land Rover in Cheshire last August.
Yet at the time of the alleged offence Jones was taking part in a televised football match, scoring two goals as Stoke beat FC Thun 4-1 in the Europa League.
"He was actually playing for Stoke City Football Club at 7.30pm," argued lawyer Mike Stephenson.
"Mr Jones did in fact score two goals that evening. It was obviously someone else in his car."
The case was dismissed - but Jones did not escape unscathed. As he failed to provide evidence about the identity of whoever was driving, he was fined £650 plus £375 costs and given six points on his licence.
When you think about it, he'd probably have been better off taking the rap: after all, not many people could have been watching that particular Thursday night match on Channel 5.
It's not the first time that one of the big names at Stoke City has had a run-in with the law over their driving habits, incidentally. Just a few weeks ago manager Tony Pulis successfully argued that he should be able to keep his driving licence despite being clocked doing 96mph in a 60mph zone.
Pulis's lawyer - the same Mike Stephenson who defended Jones - claimed that the manager should not be disqualified since he had to make deals while on the phone in his car, and if the £1m-a-year boss had a chauffeur driving him round, the confidentiality of those calls could be breached - potentially scuppering major transfers.
And Magistrates accepted the argument that the inability to deal while at the wheel could lead to relegation: "The people of Stoke could suffer if Mr Pulis lost his licence," Stephenson said in his winning argument.
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http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/27042012/58/premier-league-jones-wins-court-case-perfect-alibi.html
Premier League - Jones wins court case with perfect alibi
Fri, 27 Apr 11:07:00 2012
Football star Kenwyne Jones has won a court case after giving what must be one of the best alibis in legal history.
Authorities charged the 27-year-old with doing 62mph in a 50mph zone in his Land Rover in Cheshire last August.
The case was dismissed - but Jones did not escape unscathed. As he failed to provide evidence about the identity of whoever was driving, he was fined £650 plus £375 costs and given six points on his licence.
When you think about it, he'd probably have been better off taking the rap: after all, not many people could have been watching that particular Thursday night match on Channel 5.
It's not the first time that one of the big names at Stoke City has had a run-in with the law over their driving habits, incidentally. Just a few weeks ago manager Tony Pulis successfully argued that he should be able to keep his driving licence despite being clocked doing 96mph in a 60mph zone.
That is how you does WIN a court case? ???
VB
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I find the lawyer defense of Pulis was even better bullshit...judge even agree wit de man oui
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sound like the KJ judge was a WBA fan
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http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/27042012/58/premier-league-jones-wins-court-case-perfect-alibi.html
Premier League - Jones wins court case with perfect alibi
Fri, 27 Apr 11:07:00 2012
Football star Kenwyne Jones has won a court case after giving what must be one of the best alibis in legal history.
Authorities charged the 27-year-old with doing 62mph in a 50mph zone in his Land Rover in Cheshire last August.
The case was dismissed - but Jones did not escape unscathed. As he failed to provide evidence about the identity of whoever was driving, he was fined £650 plus £375 costs and given six points on his licence.
When you think about it, he'd probably have been better off taking the rap: after all, not many people could have been watching that particular Thursday night match on Channel 5.
It's not the first time that one of the big names at Stoke City has had a run-in with the law over their driving habits, incidentally. Just a few weeks ago manager Tony Pulis successfully argued that he should be able to keep his driving licence despite being clocked doing 96mph in a 60mph zone.
That is how you does WIN a court case? ???
VB
I cyah fathom what a "loss" woulda be nuh! I ???, too!
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Strange one this begs more questions than answers.
If he had of pleaded guilty to speeding he would of got 3 points and a fine (probably not as big).
Obviously didn't want to tell them who was driving his car (insurance?), but probably ended up with more publicity doing it this way around. Strange.
Obviously if the police knew he wasn't driving then just couldn't plead guilty, but would of thought that unlikely.
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+1 for not snitching! lol
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http://www.youtube.com/v/wvU7xGzF5i0
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http://www.youtube.com/v/wvU7xGzF5i0
Niceness Tallman!
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So is Jones done ???
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So is Jones done ???
Stick ah fork in him he's done. he needs to move on injanuary, and maybe not, it seems as he's just happy to collect a big paycheck for sitting on the bench.
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So is Jones done ???
He's actually been getting more of a look lately. As long as Crouch is fit, he will never start though.
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Just watched Diame's amazing goal, dey. And was thinking he seems to be a samila body size of Jones, not sure. Why does Jones run so obzokie?
Also, for all the people on this site who know him, can't we get a proper interview with him to ask him both the easy questions and the hard questions?
Just a thought.
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Just watched Diame's amazing goal, dey. And was thinking he seems to be a samila body size of Jones, not sure. Why does Jones run so obzokie?
Also, for all the people on this site who know him, can't we get a proper interview with him to ask him both the easy questions and the hard questions?
Just a thought.
If i was him i wont give yuhs an interview either. take forinstance, look what you just asked, "why the boy does run so obxochy" yuh think ppl like them kinda thing.
IMO his "obxochy" running don't hamper him as much as his attitude and his first touch. that same "obxochy" fella is the highest jumping footballers in england, and one of, if not the best headers of the ball, and is ranked amongst the fastest forwards in the prem. i wish i was obxochy like that.
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Kenwyne Jones talks to 6 Towns Radio re the Premier League 4 Sport Team and Basketball
6towns.co.uk
Stoke's Trinidad and Tobago striker Kenwyne Jones caught up with 6 Towns Radio as the player joined in with all the Basketball fun at the Gordon Banks Sports centre at Newcastle-Under-Lyme college.
Kenwyne talks about the Premier League 4 Sport scheme (which allows the Premier League to help other sports which kids may be less inclined to be involved with), his Stoke City career, Trinidad & Tobago at the Olympics and how far he travelled before making it as a footballer in England.
Also at the event were Manchester Giants Basketballers and teammates Devan Bailey (6ft 2") and his tiny (6 ft 9") friend David Watts who were very busy getting involved in the fun of the day by showing off their skills!
http://www.youtube.com/v/T3xbF-EbgDk
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Seems KJ stuck until offseason. Not the biggest KJ fan, but I think this is some bs, yuh bring someone in tuh take his job, but yuh holding on tuh the player, just incase the replacement doesn't get the job done. And the replacement has moved ahead of the player who was there already there.
Duo Ken not quit
Published: 16th November 2012
TONY PULIS has denied strikers Kenwyne Jones and Cameron Jerome the chance to go out on loan — as he is worried Michael Owen will break down again.
Owen will miss Stoke’s game at West Ham on Monday but Pulis believes he will be fit to take on Fulham next Saturday after a hamstring injury.
Yet the Potters boss will hold on to Jones, who has been the subject of interest from Leicester, and Jerome, who is a target for Blackburn and Leeds.
Pulis said: “I won’t be letting anyone go. We have so many games coming up we need all the players we can.
“Michael’s fitness is very much at the back of my mind when keeping Cameron and Kenwyne.”
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football
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Had Owen been Black he would have already been in league 2 by now. It's amazing how many chances certain players are given. :bs: :bs: :bs:
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So why the f**k he buy Owen in the first place.
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Had Owen been Black he would have already been in league 2 by now. It's amazing how many chances certain players are given. :bs: :bs: :bs:
No, if he had been anything but the English boy wonder.
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So why the f**k he buy Owen in the first place.
Same reason Fergie bought him. Hopin he come tru.
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Just cool:
I was a car enthusiast and one of the best cars for simplicity of engineering was that Austin Morris Cambridge,I saw one a few weeks ago and it looked in mint condition.I remember getting one in 87 in a scrap yard and brought it home to revive it,but at the time I didn't have a garage so I had to get rid of it,the local council warned me about parking it on the road where I lived.There is also lovely wood work inside.The Jamaicans used this car as a taxi in the 60s because it was strong and could cope with the bad roads and it lasted forever.
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Seems KJ stuck until offseason. Not the biggest KJ fan, but I think this is some bs, yuh bring someone in tuh take his job, but yuh holding on tuh the player, just incase the replacement doesn't get the job done. And the replacement has moved ahead of the player who was there already there.
Duo Ken not quit
Published: 16th November 2012
TONY PULIS has denied strikers Kenwyne Jones and Cameron Jerome the chance to go out on loan — as he is worried Michael Owen will break down again.
Owen will miss Stoke’s game at West Ham on Monday but Pulis believes he will be fit to take on Fulham next Saturday after a hamstring injury.
Yet the Potters boss will hold on to Jones, who has been the subject of interest from Leicester, and Jerome, who is a target for Blackburn and Leeds.
Pulis said: “I won’t be letting anyone go. We have so many games coming up we need all the players we can.
“Michael’s fitness is very much at the back of my mind when keeping Cameron and Kenwyne.”
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football
If you could get odds off a bookie for Owen being injured you won't get rich very quickly it would be long odds on to happen.
Still a strange thing for Pulis to say about the pair, basically only here to cover.
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At least Kenwyne gets on the bench and has a run-out every now and then. Jerome has been almost totally shut out and still Pulis won't let him get a run elsewhere.
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KJ only play 55 min all season. Clearly he is down in the pecking order. A striker needs a solid run out to be effective, KJ should look to move in January.
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KJ only play 55 min all season. Clearly he is down in the pecking order. A striker needs a solid run out to be effective, KJ should look to move in January.
He now starting to get some sub minutes and Pulis hinting that he could start tomorrow. But you never know.
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Caption This. ;D
(http://u.goal.com/11000/11049hp2.jpg)
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Caption This. ;D
(http://u.goal.com/11000/11049hp2.jpg)
Eh, take dat. Allyuh does feel allyuh know everyting 'bout "football" :yellowcard:
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KJ only play 55 min all season. Clearly he is down in the pecking order. A striker needs a solid run out to be effective, KJ should look to move in January.
It has been obvious for over a season never mind this season.
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Caption This. ;D
(http://u.goal.com/11000/11049hp2.jpg)
Meh mudda wat? What ur now say abt meh mudda... >:(
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De masses getting restless: http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Potters&action=display&thread=202783
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The same impact any forward has made...For a forward to score goal of have an impact on a game, the midfield has to occupy the opposing team defence, means the defence has to have the ability to start an attack. KJ, Cornell glen or a young Stern John, cannot have an impact by themselves. When every player on the team, goalie included (hoofing ball down to glen,surround by 3 men, who could foul at will) , can havean impact, and not just on the field to defend, but also attack, and draw opposing players, then KJ or any single frontman, can have an impact. I thought this was an excellent demo by Peru of this, everybody with or without the ball, was dangerous on attack, yet when they defended, they were prepared to counter, it when they were more dangerous. This was, and still is a big football country & team. They play in one of the most difficult groups in the world, regularly. We did well for a nobody team, with unsure future picks. We need more lessons like this. Yuh doh go one class in chemistry( or anything) once a term and become a doctor.And even when yuh study for years, practice for years, yuh could still lose patients. Don't lose patience on a small country team football game.. Players, coaches and fans need to study and work harder is all.
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The same impact any forward has made...For a forward to score goal of have an impact on a game, the midfield has to occupy the opposing team defence, means the defence has to have the ability to start an attack. KJ, Cornell glen or a young Stern John, cannot have an impact by themselves. When every player on the team, goalie included (hoofing ball down to glen,surround by 3 men, who could foul at will) , can havean impact, and not just on the field to defend, but also attack, and draw opposing players, then KJ or any single frontman, can have an impact. I thought this was an excellent demo by Peru of this, everybody with or without the ball, was dangerous on attack, yet when they defended, they were prepared to counter, it when they were more dangerous. This was, and still is a big football country & team. They play in one of the most difficult groups in the world, regularly. We did well for a nobody team, with unsure future picks. We need more lessons like this. Yuh doh go one class in chemistry( or anything) once a term and become a doctor.And even when yuh study for years, practice for years, yuh could still lose patients. Don't lose patience on a small country team football game.. Players, coaches and fans need to study and work harder is all.
Fully agree, difficult tuh make an impact if yuh doh get the proper oppertunity tuh make one!
Not that the man is ah natural goal poacher but if he was getting 2-3 clear cut chances every game and consistently wasting them that is ah different story. From what these coaches shown so far, not really sure if they always have a main purpose of using Jones tuh score goals.
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Forget scoring, because every striker does go through a drought.
De real question is.
1. How many shot he gets off.
2. How many headers he gets off.
3. How many times he makes a pass.
4. How many passes he make.
5. Can he trap a ball.
6. Can he hold up the ball, can he hold the ball for 30 seconds.
7. Does he make himself available for a pass.
8. Does he make off the balls run.
9. What other contributions does KJ make on the team.
He is the most physical player on the team (size wise) and plays the weakess.
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Forget scoring, because every striker does go through a drought.
De real question is.
1. How many shot he gets off.
2. How many headers he gets off.
3. How many times he makes a pass.
4. How many passes he make.
5. Can he trap a ball.
6. Can he hold up the ball, can he hold the ball for 30 seconds.
7. What other contributions does KJ make on the team.
He is the most physical player on the team (size wise) and plays the weakess.
All yuh men is tears yes. Dey booming ballls at men that getting mark 2 and three men deep. From the wingers to KJ. How he supposed to do anything. The eat hi. Up like a flourt truck tyat shut down on de beetham. Instead of looking at one man look at the method of play. We cannt be playing one man on top especially without a midfield...we like to fight down the coaches sayn we looking for a miracle by bringing in the foreixgn players...but in essence we thevfans expecting a mircale too thennn cuz if glen o KJ EH SCORE we wondering and saying they ineffective. It eh jones it eh glen it eh joevin...is de coaches. Jones hasn't impacted cuz the rest of the team hasn't provided the opportunity. Al yuh eh realise that when we was passing the ball around against peru is when we was able to launch any kinda attack!?
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Yo bro, forget T&T, ask Stoke and Sunderland de same question.
Peter Crouch is taller, weaker (he lingay) and does add more to the game even when he not scoring.
Wake up fool.
And I know you would say Stoke eh no different than T&T.
Let me guess, KJ is de next Messi, de team have to build around he.
Stern John never got service to, but he held up the ball and brough others into play.
KJ overall play is f00cking poor. He cant trap, pass, shot, make a pass, nothing.
He is T&T's worst striker right now.
De last time he score a goal for T&T was 2 years ago.
Forget score, de lat time I see KJ take a shot on goal for T&T was 3 years ago.
De man built like a machine and does play like a f00ckking pillow, small, small man does be man handling him like butter on hot galvasize.
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Yo bro, forget T&T, ask Stoke and Sunderland de same question.
Peter Crouch is taller, weaker (he lingay) and does add more to the game even when he not scoring.
Wake up fool.
And I know you would say Stoke eh no different than T&T.
You just talking to talk and doh know what yuh talking bout. Ask any Stoke fan RIGHT NOW and they'll tell you exactly the opposite. Crouch adds nothing to the team. The team is terrible with Crouch up front. Their best performances and results are with KJ starting. Crouch playing because of reputation and price tag. They create no chances with Crouch. Everybody clamoring for KJ to play.
Don't let the facts get in the way of a fight down though.
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If Jones is ah limited player, the real issue is what the management doin tuh make the most of his strengths (if he got any). Personally I find Jones have ability an talent in abundance but is ah real 'streaky' player and gone ah bit too one dimensional since he join Stoke. At this point he need the team tuh play tuh his strengths if we hope tuh see good performances from him (not saying that garuntee to happen). If the side as ah whole was producing ah respectable standard of ball game after game, giving Jones ample oppertunity tuh 'do his ting', he would always stand out when his performances was substandard. IMHO the team performances been to haphazard tuh single out Jones fuh abuse. If ah team not playing well yuh cyah blame the players only, management have tuh take some blame at some point. If he that SH*T, blame the management fuh persisting in selecting the man.
Gally, (too a lesser extent) Beenhaker an occasionally our club sides at Concacaf level have shown that our players both local and foreign base can perform in ah respectable way and be competitive. In almost all cases though there was a decent level of preparation and organistation. There don't seem to be (at least so far) much evidence of significant progression with this side.
This is the best sequence of games an opposition we have had fuh some time. They preachin about 'valuable experience an lessons learned', well If Shabazz and Charles cannot get the MNT tuh put in ah respectable performance (an maximise whatever qualities Jones have) at the GC after this decent sequence of warm-up games, ah doubt they eva will ...... we may as well look elsewhere an start from scratch fuh 2018.
Oh wait, is the TTFF we talkin bout. Despite this 'moment of clarity' in arrangin these friendlies, the track record would suggest any solution from dem is unlikely to inspire great confidence movin forward, regardless of the GC performance an fallout.
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Yo, this is not about Crouch vs Jones.
Forget I bring up Crouch.
KJ on de other hand, lard fadda !!!
What does Jones bring to the team?
Does he do his job ?
You ever see how de man does run, like he go fall down anythime now.
No EPL team buying Jones and if they do, they not paying more than 2 mill.
By de way, just for ole talk... for de shit snake you say Crouch is, he career eh bad at all.
Years Team Apps† (Gls)†
1998–2000 Tottenham Hotspur 0 (0)
2000 → Dulwich Hamlet (loan) 6 (1)
2000 → IFK Hässleholm (loan) 8 (3)
2000–2001 Queens Park Rangers 42 (10)
2001–2002 Portsmouth 37 (18)
2002–2004 Aston Villa 37 (6)
2003 → Norwich City (loan) 15 (4)
2004–2005 Southampton 27 (12)
2005–2008 Liverpool 85 (22)
2008–2009 Portsmouth 38 (11)
2009–2011 Tottenham Hotspur 73 (12)
2011– Stoke City 59 (15)
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Yo, this is not about Crouch vs Jones.
Forget I bring up Crouch.
KJ on de other hand, lard fadda !!!
What does Jones bring to the team?
Does he do his job ?
You ever see how de man does run, like he go fall down anythime now.
No EPL team buying Jones and if they do, they not paying more than 2 mill.
By de way, just for ole talk... for de shit snake you say Crouch is, he career eh bad at all.
Years Team Apps† (Gls)†
1998–2000 Tottenham Hotspur 0 (0)
2000 → Dulwich Hamlet (loan) 6 (1)
2000 → IFK Hässleholm (loan) 8 (3)
2000–2001 Queens Park Rangers 42 (10)
2001–2002 Portsmouth 37 (18)
2002–2004 Aston Villa 37 (6)
2003 → Norwich City (loan) 15 (4)
2004–2005 Southampton 27 (12)
2005–2008 Liverpool 85 (22)
2008–2009 Portsmouth 38 (11)
2009–2011 Tottenham Hotspur 73 (12)
2011– Stoke City 59 (15)
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You smoking botrom oh what!!! Stern didn't have service? Man like latas, yorke, whitley, birchall, de dreadlock fella...cyah recall he name...but all them fellas was balling in stern era. To be honest stern is de highest tnt scorer because of them men. Horse...if we don't have a solid midfield we not going and have opportunities at goal....yuh riding jones like he bull yuh gyul. Onto stoke...whwn crouch get he teeth lick way...jones come on and cause rel tears...open up play assistrs and goals....anddd swansea offerred 3 mil for him too....
Ahgainnnn dey cyah be boomin balls when men getting maek 2-3 deep...any striker will get hu stled ouy of play. We need need need neeed a midfield...whwn we have that and they stop booming ball to never neverland and kj missing to three ahots per game then we could jidge him and say he eh woryh spot...but unril then we cyah make an objective assertion
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What in de name of cock spur you talking.
latas, yorke, whitley and birchall came LATE bro..... infact, Stern scored more goals for T&T before all of them came.
Where Tallman !!!!
Post de stats Tallman for men....
Jones have Shabazz step son Theobald, Birchall is still here, Carlos Edwards, Hector, Hyland, Guerra, Peltier, Molino, Keon.
Stop making excuse for de GOAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah wonder if Jorsling does get service ?
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What in de name of cock spur you talking.
latas, yorke, whitley and birchall came LATE bro..... infact, Stern scored more goals for T&T before all of them came.
Where Tallman !!!!
Post de stats Tallman for men....
Jones have Shabazz step son Theobald, Birchall is still here, Carlos Edwards, Hector, Hyland, Guerra, Peltier, Molino, Keon.
Stop making excuse for de GOAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah wonder if Jorsling does get service ?
I agree. There is always talk about KJ not getting good enough service, KJ not receiving the ball to suit his strengths. KJ not gettin this KJ not getting that. Well I was at the Peru game in Trinidad and both Carter and Guerra provided him with good balls and he made a mess of his opportunity. IMO men like Jorsling, Scotland etc who are being called slow, goat etc would have buried that shot.
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You smoking botrom oh what!!! Stern didn't have service? Man like latas, yorke, whitley, birchall, de dreadlock fella...cyah recall he name...but all them fellas was balling in stern era. To be honest stern is de highest tnt scorer because of them men. Horse...if we don't have a solid midfield we not going and have opportunities at goal....yuh riding jones like he bull yuh gyul. Onto stoke...whwn crouch get he teeth lick way...jones come on and cause rel tears...open up play assistrs and goals....anddd swansea offerred 3 mil for him too....
Ahgainnnn dey cyah be boomin balls when men getting maek 2-3 deep...any striker will get hu stled ouy of play. We need need need neeed a midfield...whwn we have that and they stop booming ball to never neverland and kj missing to three ahots per game then we could jidge him and say he eh woryh spot...but unril then we cyah make an objective assertion
What in de name of cock spur you talking.
latas, yorke, whitley and birchall came LATE bro..... infact, Stern scored more goals for T&T before all of them came.
Where Tallman !!!!
Post de stats Tallman for men....
Jones have Shabazz step son Theobald, Birchall is still here, Carlos Edwards, Hector, Hyland, Guerra, Peltier, Molino, Keon.
Stop making excuse for de GOAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah wonder if Jorsling does get service ?
I agree. There is always talk about KJ not getting good enough service, KJ not receiving the ball to suit his strengths. KJ not gettin this KJ not getting that. Well I was at the Peru game in Trinidad and both Carter and Guerra provided him with good balls and he made a mess of his opportunity. IMO men like Jorsling, Scotland etc who are being called slow, goat etc would have buried that shot.
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Felllas in Trinidad he had one chane and he flake. Yorke a nd lata and latas came out in 88 and 89. And if yuh want to say we have a good midfiel now...we didn't for the last 3 friendlies. Stern had all that I mentioned before inckuding nakhid, eve and dwarika ...whitley abd birchy was de only kate comers
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I don't want to berate a player but I always find that practically any player we've used instead of him, either from the start or off the bench had better technical ability than him. It didn't matter if the player was local or foreign based either. I remember seeing a most glaring difference with Kerry Baptiste in particular.
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Felllas in Trinidad he had one chane and he flake.
I does watch man like Van Persie miss two and three chance a game. But let a man in a shitty team miss one and he's the worse thing in de world.
Is more about people desperation that 'we mightn't get another chance' than it have to do with any honest assessment of a player.
Man calling Stern name like we didn't used to berate him for missing too.
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Even as we went to Germany, we have yet to produce consistent playing midfield combination of the Strike squad and even the short live 73/74 WC squad. We lack creative mid players badly. Everytime we jump on the bandwagon for a new player, he just fizzles out.
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The first time I ever saw Kenwyne Jones play (live) for Trinidad and Tobago was in '05 and I really thought there were a few major things in his game needing improvement, his poor first touch being the most glaring but I did think at the time, that his height, size and (assumed) strength would turn out to be useful for him. Sadly, from what I have seen over the years, I don't think he has ever agreed with me. To me, KJ has not even really had an impact on his own self improvement, much less on the national team. His first touch is still poor. He can't shoot to save his life...at least, he can't shoot from medium distance (13-15 yards) and beyond. His movement off the ball would lose in a paint-drying contest and he doesn't seem to know how to use his size and strength to hold up the ball a little bit. I do think he can get up and head that ball, though, I think he's very good at that. But wait, Wasn't Kenwyne groomed more as a defender when he was growing up developing his game during his formative years? I never saw him play for St. Anthony's, so ah really doh know. (somebody help meh out wit dah one, please?) Maybe he has been forced into playing a position that he really isn't all that comfortable with, I dunno, but aside from the tangible aspect of the game, he just doesn't project posture of being one of Trinidad's best players whenever he lines up in our colours. I can name quite a few players well, that you could see from the time that first whistle blow, or they get subbed into a game, they were intent on making an impact on the game even if it killed them. Even Cornell Glenn, who some may argue is not no big goal-scoring wizard, projects more confidence. As a man say, Even Stern John used to/does get criticized....so I guess it's only natural/obvious that KJ would, too.
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What in de name of cock spur you talking.
latas, yorke, whitley and birchall came LATE bro..... infact, Stern scored more goals for T&T before all of them came.
Where Tallman !!!!
Post de stats Tallman for men....
Jones have Shabazz step son Theobald, Birchall is still here, Carlos Edwards, Hector, Hyland, Guerra, Peltier, Molino, Keon.
Stop making excuse for de GOAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah wonder if Jorsling does get service ?
Something wrong with that statement.
Stern had Yorke, Latas, Eve, Nakhid, Trotman (RIP), giving him passes.
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Ok, we beating ah dead horse, even though I sure Stern score most of them goals without Yorke and Latapy. Yorke was never a midfield till 2005 which Stern did not score AS MUCH. Trotman was a goat and Whitley had about 2 assist to Stern John.
But forget goal scoring, put this on the side.
Leh me ask allyuh this about Kenwyne Jones.
1. How many shot he gets off.
2. How many headers he gets off.
3. How many times he makes a pass.
4. How many passes he make.
5. Can he trap a ball.
6. Can he hold up the ball, can he hold the ball for 30 seconds.
7. Does he make himself available for a pass.
8. Does he make off the balls run.
9. What other contributions does KJ make on the team.
KJ is brought here to score goals, find, he out of form because Stoke have him on the bench, then what else can he bring to the game ?
I feel a song coming on...
He trapping.... no.
He running... no.
He marking... no.
He jumping... no.
He shooting... no.
He loafing... no.
He passing... no.
He scoring... no.
He crossing... no.
He bawling... no.
He calling... no.
He looking for sub, plenty, plenty sub boy...
He looking for sub, plenty, plenty sub boy...
Yuh going to get sub boy...
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I like the genuine discussion so far. Watchin KJ this last game I don't feel like it have room in T&T team for him until we get a midfield that could hold the ball / deliver a good pass or cross etc. Right now we need forwards who could hold the ball, dribble etc IMO. (Not to say somewhere in the future when the team hummin we couldn't use him and make him shine).
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Lots of people stating KJ not performing up to par when he play for the Warriors because he is not getting the proper type of service. Ok this may be true, but how long we gonna continue with this method. It is obvious the voom kick style they trying to implement is not working for KJ or T&T. Why do they continue to bring him in the fold. Is it becuase he is the biggest name player on the team and there is some hope he will draw a decent crowd? how many games gone by now and they still "experimenting" with this tactic. If ur gonna include Kj u have to have crosses coming in from both sides, not from our goalie and defenders. This whole voom kick style is not working period, but adding KJ to this is just baffling.
KJ can't hold up the ball, smaller defenders does outjostle him, he not fast. he is just a waste of time in my book. We have a problem in midfield and we have problems up front.
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Smaller players holdin up de ball far better than this player.. Cornell Glen, the kid who got the red against Belize..I am not askin fuh goals ..just usefulness of that large body..than man thinks he's Cristiano Ronaldo or Carlos Tevez.
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Answer to the question: None!
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Allyuh have time tuh study Sam and this nut alberta trini? if we did beat or even draw with peru and jones had ah double, all this talk about his inability would be dormant.
fellas calling all kinda players tuh compare with KJ, but have yuhs guys ever wonder why none of the players you prefer over KJ never made it onto as much as a league two team with all the trials they've been on?
cornel glenn, kerry baptiste, devon jorslin, jamal gay, kevon cornell, fack it, lets call some names! collin samuels, jason scotland, anthony wolf, cornell glenn, gary glassgow, errol mc farlene, andre toussant, randy patterson, jason marcano, scott sealy, brent rahim and hector sam has never made it to the prem, seri A, laliga, eridivise, bundesliga or even the french (league one) with all the countless trials they've been on .
as ah matter of fact, since the world cup only one player (forward) apart from KJ got ah substantial contract in a best league and that was darryl roberts, scotty got ah play with wigan bc of martinez, but he could only musta up one goal in about 30 games, what a shame.
KJ on the other hand was in the top 3 scorers of the championship for two seasons in a row catching the eyes of billy davies who put in a $5 mil bid for the lad to join the rams after their promotion to the prem only to be picked off by roy keene.
all these players allyuh talking up with their pretty first touch, their ability to "shot on the run" and their uncanny knack tuh trap ah grain ah rice in thin air were all unable to land ah solid contract in league two, let alone a prestige league like the prem,
but KJ with his elephant touches, weak knees and pigeon toe not only made it to the prem, but stayed there for over 5 yrs keeping two promoted teams in the prem and scoring a double @ wembley in an FA cup semis, scoring against all the top teams in the prem during his time therin while earning the praise of many.
yeh KJ is an enigmatic player i will admit, and this could be mistaken for lack of ability, but to say this man eh shyte goes to show how much allyuh know, yuh mean to tell me that he fooled all these big football gurus in england, but not yuhs ppl on here.
from where i stand, the real problem we have is with our lack of creativity in midfield, we had two center mids in that midfield on both occasions who couldn't hold on to the ball long enough to make an impact, the wingers were going into the final third and losing the ball every time, and not putting in good crosses when we have one of the best headers of the ball in the world.
the mid field over work themselves for lack of creativity and after 75 mins could barely catch their breath or keep their concentration.
so don't blame jones, but blame his supporting cast, it's just like when he had pennant @ stoke he would score more than often, that's bc he had a supply of good opportunity pennent being ah damn good creative mid, but whelan, nzonzi and shotton lack the creative capabilities that goals are made of though being EPL players and all, so how could he get off with our midfield players who lack EPL quality? hek any quality!
have you guys noticed that we've been losing games bc we don't have creativity in the midfield and score less than any other team in concacaf, sh!t, who could score when the defenders keep dumping the ball in the box as opposed to running the ball into the opponents defensive 3rd, what forward could score under these circumstances?
they don't press for penalties or run @ defenders causing errors, what de fack kind of midfield is dat??!!
jones is ah big player, so is roberts, and we are yet to see them pair up in the center with good service down the middle or on the flanks, why aren't our coaches not seeing that this is where our problem lie.
we need goals from the midfield and forwards, not just jones.
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Allyuh have time tuh study Sam and this nut alberta trini? if we did beat or even draw with peru and jones had ah double, all this talk about his inability would be dormant.
fellas calling all kinda players tuh compare with KJ, but have yuhs guys ever wonder why none of the players you prefer over KJ never made it onto as much as a league two team with all the trials they've been on?
cornel glenn, kerry baptiste, devon jorslin, jamal gay, kevon cornell, fack it, lets call some names! collin samuels, jason scotland, anthony wolf, cornell glenn, gary glassgow, errol mc farlene, andre toussant, randy patterson, jason marcano, scott sealy, brent rahim and hector sam has never made it to the prem, seri A, laliga, eridivise, bundesliga or even the french (league one) with all the countless trials they've been on .
as ah matter of fact, since the world cup only one player (forward) apart from KJ got ah substantial contract in a best league and that was darryl roberts, scotty got ah play with wigan bc of martinez, but he could only musta up one goal in about 30 games, what a shame.
KJ on the other hand was in the top 3 scorers of the championship for two seasons in a row catching the eyes of billy davies who put in a $5 mil bid for the lad to join the rams after their promotion to the prem only to be picked off by roy keene.
all these players allyuh talking up with their pretty first touch, their ability to "shot on the run" and their uncanny knack tuh trap ah grain ah rice in thin air were all unable to land ah solid contract in league two, let alone a prestige league like the prem,
but KJ with his elephant touches, weak knees and pigeon toe not only made it to the prem, but stayed there for over 5 yrs keeping two promoted teams in the prem and scoring a double @ wembley in an FA cup semis, scoring against all the top teams in the prem during his time therin while earning the praise of many.
yeh KJ is an enigmatic player i will admit, and this could be mistaken for lack of ability, but to say this man eh shyte goes to show how much allyuh know, yuh mean to tell me that he fooled all these big football gurus in england, but not yuhs ppl on here.
from where i stand, the real problem we have is with our lack of creativity in midfield, we had two center mids in that midfield on both occasions who couldn't hold on to the ball long enough to make an impact, the wingers were going into the final third and losing the ball every time, and not putting in good crosses when we have one of the best headers of the ball in the world.
the mid field over work themselves for lack of creativity and after 75 mins could barely catch their breath or keep their concentration.
so don't blame jones, but blame his supporting cast, it's just like when he had pennant @ stoke he would score more than often, that's bc he had a supply of good opportunity pennent being ah damn good creative mid, but whelan, nzonzi and shotton lack the creative capabilities that goals are made of though being EPL players and all, so how could he get off with our midfield players who lack EPL quality? hek any quality!
have you guys noticed that we've been losing games bc we don't have creativity in the midfield and score less than any other team in concacaf, sh!t, who could score when the defenders keep dumping the ball in the box as opposed to running the ball into the opponents defensive 3rd, what forward could score under these circumstances?
they don't press for penalties or run @ defenders causing errors, what de fack kind of midfield is dat??!!
jones is ah big player, so is roberts, and we are yet to see them pair up in the center with good service down the middle or on the flanks, why aren't our coaches not seeing that this is where our problem lie.
we need goals from the midfield and forwards, not just jones.
Ehhhhhhh ah eh see nobody saying nothing. Match game win! JC spell it out for al yuh. Big up horse! Nice post. Some men like ah stubborn gyul on here...can't convince them to proper rationale.
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KJ is pure shit, just cool taking bout Championship league, de last time KJ played in de CL was 2005, 8 f00cking years ago, 8 years ago I was 28....
Maybe that is de league he should be playing in anyway.
KJ is a big good for nothing player. That is why de whole of Ato Boldon stadium boo him when they took him off vs Peru last month.
I not like trini_stallion, waiting for somebody to fight he battle with one setta long boring shit ass nonesense post.
I am Sam !!!!!!!!!
KJ brings NOTHING to the game, he is WEAK !!!!!!
KJ played with Latapy, Yorke, Whitley, Birchalll and still he could not score a goal. Man talking about we need a midfield, when Latas was still a T&T player KJ scored 1 goal, a free kick vs Peru in 2005.
They making all kinda excuses and KJ played with some of T&T's best.
In 21 LEAGUE games he scored 1 goal for Stoke last season. This season he have 3 in 22 games.
Everybody get fooled by KJ size, even Keane (where him now), you eh see not even Swansea want to pay more than 3 mill for him.
This man taking about years ago, years ago I use to bull 4/5 gal a day, now is 2 or 3 if ah lucky...
Ask Stoke if they want back they 8 mill they pay for Jones and see what they go say, infact, ask them if they go settle for half.
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KJ is pure shit, just cool taking bout Championship league, de last time KJ played in de CL was 2005, 8 f00cking years ago, 8 years ago I was 28....
Maybe that is de league he should be playing in anyway.
KJ is a big good for nothing player. That is why de whole of Ato Boldon stadium boo him when they took him off vs Peru last month.
I not like trini_stallion, waiting for somebody to fight he battle with one setta long boring shit ass nonesense post.
I am Sam !!!!!!!!!
KJ brings NOTHING to the game, he is WEAK !!!!!!
KJ played with Latapy, Yorke, Whitley, Birchalll and still he could not score a goal. Man talking about we need a midfield, when Latas was still a T&T player KJ scored 1 goal, a free kick vs Peru in 2005.
They making all kinda excuses and KJ played with some of T&T's best.
In 21 LEAGUE games he scored 1 goal for Stoke last season. This season he have 3 in 22 games.
Everybody get fooled by KJ size, even Keane (where him now), you eh see not even Swansea want to pay more than 3 mill for him.
This man taking about years ago, years ago I use to bull 4/5 gal a day, now is 2 or 3 if ah lucky...
Ask Stoke if they want back they 8 mill they pay for Jones and see what they go say, infact, ask them if they go settle for half.
Sam you rel dotish...me eh waiting for nobody to fight no fight for me. JC just elaborated on what I was trying to get tjrough yuh thick skull. You was talking pure tata talking bout de midfield and supporting players. You like an annoying woman cuz you don't have no legit and supporting arguments bout kj otyer than he eh scoring for the red whitr and black...and wuh yuh talking bout...yuh used tuh juxk 4 o 5 times ah day...now yuh have arthritis and yuh luck if yuh could pull skin 2-3 times lol...
Look you wasting my time trying to debate with you. Look feel how yuh want to feel....de man going nd get pick come GC...hebfoing and get pick come WC qualifoers...that's all there is too it...and if yuh doh like that...well beat up like wgg cuz tgeres nothing yuhcld do about it
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Yuh talking Spanish ?
I eh understanding de last part, but anyhow.
I have my opinion and you have yours.
KJ is SHIT !!!!!!!
And I hope one day he make me eat my words.
FOR EXAMPLE !!!!.... When Yorke legs got tired as a striker he finally commit to T&T then they drop him into midfield and he was our most effective player in the WC, he brought something to the table when he was not scoring goals.
What does KJ bring ?
Meh eh fighting dong nobody, all I asking is what does he bring ?
If he cannot be effective as a lone striker or he dont agree with the way T&T using him, say something, do something instead of just running without any sense and burning de little reputation yuh half remaining.
I feel a song coming on...
He trapping.... no.
He running... no.
He marking... no.
He jumping... no.
He shooting... no.
He loafing... no.
He passing... no.
He scoring... no.
He crossing... no.
He bawling... no.
He calling... no.
He looking for sub, plenty, plenty sub boy...
He looking for sub, plenty, plenty sub boy...
Yuh going to get sub boy...
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Why pick a player that you cannot effectively deploy in your tactics and strategies? It's like drowning and picking up gold bars and putting them in your pocket for later. :bs:
KJ is not the problem, the problem is the approach of the technical staff to design and effectively implement, assess and adapt tactics and strategies to consistently and decisively make use of each players' strengths during the course of the game, a tournament and more-so several campaigns.
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Sam you only spilling your guts, so i will let do just that, but let it be known that no amount of emotional responses will change the truth, and the truth is KJ is ah 50 calibre machine gun in the hands of a five yr old child who only ever shot a bb gun, wasteful wasteful wasteful.
the KJ who played under pancho, latas, pfister and now charles is not the same KJ who played for beenhakker. it's ah known fact that a coach makes all the difference in a players performance and a system could be the defining factor whether a player bums or shine.
sam said that KJ played with "T&T's best" latapy, whitley and birchal, pls don't make me fackin laugh!! :rotfl: :rotfl: IMO jemaine pennent is ah better midfielder than latas, yeh latas good, no doubt be he eh no micheal essien, david silver or ryan gigs bro.
whitley is ah rough house midfielder like makalele or obi mikel, he is not a play maker like latas. as for birchall, how dare you!! this man could hardly hold on to a ball, and this is not a recent development, he's been doing this shyte ever since, that is why i don't like his game.
i would have rather you mentioned nakid, or dwarika, and even those guys are not sooo great though way better than birchall and some what on par with whitley, but kenwyne has never played along side a fantastic supporting cast of midfielders, he went through the same shyte same with sunderland as with stoke, all laborers!! and he still managed 10 goals a season.
you mentioned that he played 21 games last season and didn't score, bro that ah bit disingenuous, instead of stating the games , state the hrs instead, and i tell you why, last season KJ must have started in 5 games in the prem and of those five games he must have been subbed out in three, and the games he did start and played right through were euro league games of which he scored like 7 goals,
but to say the man played ah full season and only scored one goal, like i said before is disingenuous bc the man only came off the bench to cobo sweats, ah 15 mins here and ah 10 mins there, but no real time @ all so don't stay here and lie, bc i watch all KJ games and i know yuh misrepresenting the truth!
as for this season, the man started about 6 games and scored three goals, all the rest were unused subs or cobo sweats again, if yuh want tuh talk bout stats why don't you talk about the prior seasons where he was in double digits with ah laboring team that only hoof balls down the middle instead of playing the to man's strengths?
Yeh and the only reason i mentioned the championship is bc all the players you bigging up only dreamed of playing in that 2nd tier league of which jones mashed up and moved on, that's why i mentioned it.
you also mentioned that KJ played with T&T best, please, no wonder he don't have a high strike rate, ::) when KJ played with those guys he was 18 going on 19, as ah matter of fact when KJ played in the WC he was 20 and was the liveliest forward on the team, just go back and watch the england and paraguay game where he linked up with latas quite well.
under beenie KJ didn't play a lot of games, beenie used him sparingly up until the 2nd bahrain game in manama. listen sam, i not saying the bredder is ah world beater, but he's not the problem we not scoring goals, it's our midfield that lack creativity.
most our center mids are laborers, bleeder, birchal, jovin jones (though i like this kid, he loses the ball a lot) hyland, keon edwards and daniel are laborers, even guerra is a laborer, the only creative midfielder we have is houton hector, and we are not goin to score goals if he and hyland don't team up in the middle.
IMO playing bleeder and birchal @ the same time is murder!! they must not be on the field all @ once, kevon carter must also be omitted, id rather see tinto TBH, bleeder should come on to close the show when we have a lead and need fresh legs and to maintain possession, but he should not be a starter ever again, or come on when we're chasing goals.
another thing, when would they learn that keon daniel is not a left winger, he doesn't have the speed for the position, also darrly robert is not a flank player, these guys supposed to be in the middle of the park or in an attacking position.
these ppl have no brains, bc if they did they would not be making the same mistakes over and over and over again. come on technical director and staff, where's your logic??
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Why pick a player that you cannot effectively deploy in your tactics and strategies? It's like drowning and picking up gold bars and putting them in your pocket for later. :bs:
KJ is not the problem, the problem is the approach of the technical staff to design and effectively implement, assess and adapt tactics and strategies to consistently and decisively make use of each players' strengths during the course of the game, a tournament and more-so several campaigns.
So is he a baller? ;D
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de man eh good... he too obzocky
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de man eh good... he too obzocky
An 8 million dollar obzocky player that you would only dream of being.
trinis have ah real disrespect for we sportsmen and women yes, allyuh would never change as ah ppl, always fighting down our own and bigging up others, particularly ppl who don't give ah fork about us.
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Why pick a player that you cannot effectively deploy in your tactics and strategies? It's like drowning and picking up gold bars and putting them in your pocket for later. :bs:
KJ is not the problem, the problem is the approach of the technical staff to design and effectively implement, assess and adapt tactics and strategies to consistently and decisively make use of each players' strengths during the course of the game, a tournament and more-so several campaigns.
So is he a baller? ;D
No he is not a baller, but like chichi he can play and when used correctly he can be very effective.
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Why pick a player that you cannot effectively deploy in your tactics and strategies? It's like drowning and picking up gold bars and putting them in your pocket for later. :bs:
KJ is not the problem, the problem is the approach of the technical staff to design and effectively implement, assess and adapt tactics and strategies to consistently and decisively make use of each players' strengths during the course of the game, a tournament and more-so several campaigns.
So is he a baller? ;D
Just as much a baller as marlon hearwood, jason roberts, sean wright phillips, carlton cole, micheal chopra, anichebe, naismith, rodallega, agbonlahor, odemwingie, and cameron jerome, bc he has outscored these players every year since he's been in the prem with the exception of the past season bc of him being relegated to the bench for reasons unknown.
the question should have been, is he ah "BEST" baller? of which "my" reply would be, "of course not, don't be ridiculous!" ;)
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Why pick a player that you cannot effectively deploy in your tactics and strategies? It's like drowning and picking up gold bars and putting them in your pocket for later. :bs:
KJ is not the problem, the problem is the approach of the technical staff to design and effectively implement, assess and adapt tactics and strategies to consistently and decisively make use of each players' strengths during the course of the game, a tournament and more-so several campaigns.
So is he a baller? ;D
No he is not a baller, but like chichi he can play and when used correctly he can be very effective.
Wrong answer! eeeehhhhhhnnnggggg!!!!!!!
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Why pick a player that you cannot effectively deploy in your tactics and strategies? It's like drowning and picking up gold bars and putting them in your pocket for later. :bs:
KJ is not the problem, the problem is the approach of the technical staff to design and effectively implement, assess and adapt tactics and strategies to consistently and decisively make use of each players' strengths during the course of the game, a tournament and more-so several campaigns.
So is he a baller? ;D
No he is not a baller, but like chichi he can play and when used correctly he can be very effective.
Elan you have guts oui. Play wat; de arse, the recorder, mas?
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Sam you only spilling your guts, so i will let do just that, but let it be known that no amount of emotional responses will change the truth, and the truth is KJ is ah 50 calibre machine gun in the hands of a five yr old child who only ever shot a bb gun, wasteful wasteful wasteful.
the KJ who played under pancho, latas, pfister and now charles is not the same KJ who played for beenhakker. it's ah known fact that a coach makes all the difference in a players performance and a system could be the defining factor whether a player bums or shine.
sam said that KJ played with "T&T's best" latapy, whitley and birchal, pls don't make me fackin laugh!! :rotfl: :rotfl: IMO jemaine pennent is ah better midfielder than latas, yeh latas good, no doubt be he eh no micheal essien, david silver or ryan gigs bro.
whitley is ah rough house midfielder like makalele or obi mikel, he is not a play maker like latas. as for birchall, how dare you!! this man could hardly hold on to a ball, and this is not a recent development, he's been doing this shyte ever since, that is why i don't like his game.
i would have rather you mentioned nakid, or dwarika, and even those guys are not sooo great though way better than birchall and some what on par with whitley, but kenwyne has never played along side a fantastic supporting cast of midfielders, he went through the same shyte same with sunderland as with stoke, all laborers!! and he still managed 10 goals a season.
you mentioned that he played 21 games last season and didn't score, bro that ah bit disingenuous, instead of stating the games , state the hrs instead, and i tell you why, last season KJ must have started in 5 games in the prem and of those five games he must have been subbed out in three, and the games he did start and played right through were euro league games of which he scored like 7 goals,
but to say the man played ah full season and only scored one goal, like i said before is disingenuous bc the man only came off the bench to cobo sweats, ah 15 mins here and ah 10 mins there, but no real time @ all so don't stay here and lie, bc i watch all KJ games and i know yuh misrepresenting the truth!
as for this season, the man started about 6 games and scored three goals, all the rest were unused subs or cobo sweats again, if yuh want tuh talk bout stats why don't you talk about the prior seasons where he was in double digits with ah laboring team that only hoof balls down the middle instead of playing the to man's strengths?
Yeh and the only reason i mentioned the championship is bc all the players you bigging up only dreamed of playing in that 2nd tier league of which jones mashed up and moved on, that's why i mentioned it.
you also mentioned that KJ played with T&T best, please, no wonder he don't have a high strike rate, ::) when KJ played with those guys he was 18 going on 19, as ah matter of fact when KJ played in the WC he was 20 and was the liveliest forward on the team, just go back and watch the england and paraguay game where he linked up with latas quite well.
under beenie KJ didn't play a lot of games, beenie used him sparingly up until the 2nd bahrain game in manama. listen sam, i not saying the bredder is ah world beater, but he's not the problem we not scoring goals, it's our midfield that lack creativity.
most our center mids are laborers, bleeder, birchal, jovin jones (though i like this kid, he loses the ball a lot) hyland, keon edwards and daniel are laborers, even guerra is a laborer, the only creative midfielder we have is houton hector, and we are not goin to score goals if he and hyland don't team up in the middle.
IMO playing bleeder and birchal @ the same time is murder!! they must not be on the field all @ once, kevon carter must also be omitted, id rather see tinto TBH, bleeder should come on to close the show when we have a lead and need fresh legs and to maintain possession, but he should not be a starter ever again, or come on when we're chasing goals.
another thing, when would they learn that keon daniel is not a left winger, he doesn't have the speed for the position, also darrly robert is not a flank player, these guys supposed to be in the middle of the park or in an attacking position.
these ppl have no brains, bc if they did they would not be making the same mistakes over and over and over again. come on technical director and staff, where's your logic??
Yuh ever try to Strangle yuh prick ?
Like draw two eyes, a nose and a mouth on your cock head and choke it to death.
Tis is de definition of the way the T&T coaches using KJ according to you.
KJ is a professional football, de highest paid we have right now, he making more than de entire team plus coaches combine and he can make one tackle or take a single shot on goal.
You make lil points here and there, but I sticking with my guns, what does KJ bring to the game ?
just-cool, want Zidane, Maradona, Silva and Hazard supporting KJ in midfield and then he go be effective.
Infact, KJ so good, he could flip more times than he could hit de net.
Imagine we have a big 6 foot 4 hard back creole from Point who grow up eating cassava pone and he does run like he shoe lace untie and lil lil man kicking him dong.
I feel KJ shoulda be ah goalie.
Take away KJ size and today he woulda still be a right back playing for Joe Public if he lucky.
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just-cool, want Zidane, Maradona, Silva and Hazard supporting KJ in midfield and then he go be effective.
No, allyuh want Messi in de front while de rest of de team is toots. KJ ain't de first, he's just de latest.
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just-cool, want Zidane, Maradona, Silva and Hazard supporting KJ in midfield and then he go be effective.
No, allyuh want Messi in de front while de rest of de team is toots. KJ ain't de first, he's just de latest.
De rest of de T&T team does all do their part bro, be honest. They DOES TRY HARD even if they not good, they does give they 100% more than what KJ does give, KJ does look like he running on water.
Wait, Chelsea might buy him soon, allyuh wait, he is de next Drogba. They does call him Dougla.
Roy Keane blow so much smoke up KJ ass he still dreaming about it when he on de field.
Seon Power is one of our best defenders today, why, cause he give 100%, he have heart like a lion even though he may not be technically good.
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Eh sam, i doh watch football wid my heart yuh know, but rather my brain.
yuh ever wonder why fellas like messi and cristiano ronaldo don't shine on international duty??
and them men have a good supporting cast, messi have man like di maria and deigo melito in his midfield, cristiano have veleso, pistiga and nani supporting him and they both does bum big time. what supporting cast KJ have that he should out shine these mega stars or do anything different??
my take on this, when they playing club football they have the best players along side them that money could buy, they also have ah chemistry and a bond with their club mates bc they play and practice along side these players for 10 months out of the yr,
but on international duty they come together for ah few days a yr to play ah rush rush game, how de hell allyuh expect players to perform well under such circumstances? no wonder yorke never shine playing for T&T. come on bro, it's a basic common sense argument.
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Eh sam, i doh watch football wid my heart yuh know, but rather my brain.
yuh ever wonder why fellas like messi and cristiano ronaldo don't shine on international duty??
and them men have a good supporting cast, messi have man like di maria and deigo melito in his midfield, cristiano have veleso, pistiga and nani supporting him and they does bum big time. what supporting cast KJ have that he should out shine these mega stars or do anything different??
my take, the reason for this is bc when they playing club football they have the best players along side them that money could buy, they also have ah chemistry and a bond with their club mates bc they play and practice along side these players for 10 months out of the yr,
but on international duty they come together for ah few days a yr to play ah rush rush game, how de hell allyuh expect players to perform well under such circumstances, no wonder yorke never shine playing for T&T. come on bro, it's a basic common sense argument.
Nobody expecting KJ to score a 100 goals bro.
He just need to contribute more in other areas if he cant score.
Nixon wasn't a good goal scoring striker for T&T, but he use to open doors for other players to score because he use to make runs that would be effective.
Ah wonder if Jorsling does get service, he mus he have bmobile.
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Eh sam, i doh watch football wid my heart yuh know, but rather my brain.
yuh ever wonder why fellas like messi and cristiano ronaldo don't shine on international duty??
and them men have a good supporting cast, messi have man like di maria and deigo melito in his midfield, cristiano have veleso, pistiga and nani supporting him and they does bum big time. what supporting cast KJ have that he should out shine these mega stars or do anything different??
my take, the reason for this is bc when they playing club football they have the best players along side them that money could buy, they also have ah chemistry and a bond with their club mates bc they play and practice along side these players for 10 months out of the yr,
but on international duty they come together for ah few days a yr to play ah rush rush game, how de hell allyuh expect players to perform well under such circumstances, no wonder yorke never shine playing for T&T. come on bro, it's a basic common sense argument.
Nobody expecting KJ to score a 100 goals bro.
He just need to contribute more in other areas if he cant score.
Nixon wasn't a good goal scoring striker for T&T, but he use to open doors for other players to score because he use to make runs that would be effective.
Ah wonder if Jorsling does get service, he mus he have bmobile.
Breds, KJ scored in the last three games he played for us outside of the two peru games and the belize encounter.
he scored against bermuda, and guyana twice, he also had two assist in the barbados game, he missed the 2nd bermuda and barbados encounter due to injury, and as yuh know we lost that bermuda game, where no one else could find the netting.
as for jorslin, when last that slough scored for us?? our locals (especially the forwards) is ah waste of ah good call up.
PS: it's not KJ's fault that the coaches playing ah bad system!
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Eh sam, i doh watch football wid my heart yuh know, but rather my brain.
yuh ever wonder why fellas like messi and cristiano ronaldo don't shine on international duty??
and them men have a good supporting cast, messi have man like di maria and deigo melito in his midfield, cristiano have veleso, pistiga and nani supporting him and they does bum big time. what supporting cast KJ have that he should out shine these mega stars or do anything different??
my take, the reason for this is bc when they playing club football they have the best players along side them that money could buy, they also have ah chemistry and a bond with their club mates bc they play and practice along side these players for 10 months out of the yr,
but on international duty they come together for ah few days a yr to play ah rush rush game, how de hell allyuh expect players to perform well under such circumstances, no wonder yorke never shine playing for T&T. come on bro, it's a basic common sense argument.
Nobody expecting KJ to score a 100 goals bro.
He just need to contribute more in other areas if he cant score.
Nixon wasn't a good goal scoring striker for T&T, but he use to open doors for other players to score because he use to make runs that would be effective.
Ah wonder if Jorsling does get service, he mus he have bmobile.
Breds, KJ scored in the last three games he played for us outside of the two peru games and the belize encounter.
he scored against bermuda, and guyana twice, he also had two assist in the barbados game, he missed the 2nd bermuda and barbados encounter due to injury, and as yuh know we lost that bermuda game, where no one else could find the netting.
as for jorslin, when last that slough scored for us?? our locals (especially the forwards) is ah waste of ah good call up.
PS: it's not KJ's fault that the coaches playing ah bad system!
I guess every T&T coaches using KJ badly then.
I'll tell you what.
He cost Stoke 8 mill, so ah using 8 as de magic number.
If KJ can score 8 goals this year (2012/13 EPL season) between Stoke and T&T I will buy his shirt and I would make a public apology to de goat, ah mean striker, ah mean, or, forget it, yuh know what ah mean.
So because of we coach T&T playing with 10 men when KJ on de field ?
Plaza, Gay and Jorsling score 4 goals just 3 months ago, KJ score 2 two years ago.
5 plus 5 is really 12.
Wok out de % they for meh, ah cah check....
STRIKERS
Jones - 52 games 7 goal.
Gay - 16 games 7 goal.
Plaza - 7 games 4 goal.
Jorsling - 38 games 17 goal.
Roberts - 23 games 6 goal.
MIDFIELD
Keon - 56 games 13 goal.
Carter - 27 games 5 goal.
Hector - 27 games 7 goal.
Peltier - 17 games 5 goal.
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Saw kj play against Cuba. The man was loafing offside no urgency etc. Really don't know what goes on in his head at times.
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Saw kj play against Cuba. The man was loafing offside no urgency etc. Really don't know what goes on in his head at times.
He too heavy, it takes a lot of energy to move all that mass around. He will run when he needs to. Some of the time. If the ball is a good one.
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Sam yuhs ah lunatic or what??
everything yuh touch on is irrelevant. the 8 mil that stoke payed for KJ was already repaid three times over. his goals kept them in the prem for three seasons, and took them to the FA cup final and euafa league for the first time in their history.
do you know how much money a team gets for staying in the prem?? 40 mil pounds!! yuh eh think that KJ netted stoke 120 mil pounds for the three yrs they stayed up from his 10 plus goals, and the money they got for the uero league as well has warranted the 8 mil you keep harping on.
as for sunderland, he also kept them in the prem for three plus seasons, also netting them 120 mil pounds, what more allyuh want from the bredder!!?? :frustrated:
he did his job playing for two relegation fodder teams and keeping them in a prestigious league trice over! you think it easy to play for struggling teams in such ah big money league?
just ask carlton cole and sean writght phillips since them men played for big money prestigious teams, only to find themselves @ the end of their career playing for relegation fodder. is no service, no thinking no passing unintelligent ballers who servicing yuh sand KJ still shine through, imagine if he played for chelsea or arsenal.
and yuh see all them goal stats you showing there, well most of them came from friendlies against teams like guyana and st kitts. when donkey foot jorslin start scoring against big teams like mexico and panama then put up them stats.
jamal gay scored ah hatrick against fackin anguilla the worst team in concacaf! imagine ah little pebble in the middle of the sea with no infrastructure, i know bc i went there, it's ah dusty rock in the middle of no where that don't even have an airport, matter of fact the only way on that island is by a small ferry boat from st marteen.
the only person i rate on that list is keon daniel, he scored on some worthy opponents, but not jorslin, i'd rather you quoted kerry baptiste name, he too is another talented goal threat, but fack jorslin and jamal gay, those bums, how could you ever compare them with ah man who scored on every top keeper in the prem! something scotty obviously could not aspire too.
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Saw kj play against Cuba. The man was loafing offside no urgency etc. Really don't know what goes on in his head at times.
Breds the man had just came off injury in that game, he was in therapy with the david james collision. i want to believe that injury kind of ended KJ's goal scoring career, same way carlos broken leg ended his.
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so much time de man geh ball right in front de goal and he fall dung jes so..de man eh good.
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Somebody getting commission for every "in defence of kj" post :rotfl:
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No hope.
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Why alyuh doh haul alyuh arse, Dwighty as scoring 20 something goals at Man United and couldn't buss de net for T&T. KJ can play, yuh feel he reach where he is by jogging around the field. Is not Turkminestan or Guam, or Pakistanalabad the man playing is the EPL....home of the European Champions League Champions.
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IMO since Jones started off as a defensive player he lacked the offensive skill set needed as a forward and somebody decided he would be productive as a forward because he could jump and head the ball. Similar to somebody thinking because a person is tall he/she should be playing basketball or should be able to play basketball. KJ lacks the football sense/feel, tuh initiate/anticipate on the field, which leads to him reacting if the ball happens to be in his vicinity. His lack of football sense also contributes to him not making runs to receive the ball but depending on the ball to find him. He is probably aware of this short coming and as a result tends to float in and out of games while attempting to give the impression he is actually trying. His intial strength which is heading the ball continues but he failed to develop other parts of his game that could help him to be a more deadly/effective footballer. Nobody has time to build their team around a one demensional and inconsistent player.
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De worst striker in T&T right now Devorn Jorsling is 10 times better than Kenwyne Jones.
just cool, put that is de challis and smoke it.
And this next asshole they call elan just running up he mouth like ah f00cking ole goat.
If you read my post you will see I said "FOR EXAMPLE !!!!.... When Yorke legs got tired as a striker he finally commit to T&T then they drop him into midfield and he was our most effective player in the WC, he brought something to the table when he was not scoring goals."
Allyuh just tak !!! tak...
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De worst striker in T&T right now Devorn Jorsling is 10 times better than Kenwyne Jones.
just cool, put that is de challis and smoke it.
And this next asshole they call elan just running up he mouth like ah f00cking ole goat.
If you read my post you will see I said "FOR EXAMPLE !!!!.... When Yorke legs got tired as a striker he finally commit to T&T then they drop him into midfield and he was our most effective player in the WC, he brought something to the table when he was not scoring goals."
Allyuh just tak !!! tak...
You got jokes.
if he (jorslin) was ssooo good then he should @ least be playing or have played in the conference league in england, but the boy went to the USL for ah whole season and only managed one solitary fackin goal, yeh he real good! ah sure he good for @ least 12 goals ah season in the EPL if not more. ;D
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Imagine that and I go still pick him over KJ.
Imagine KJ is a season pro, playing in de EPL years now and last year he score ONE league goal.
Atleast Orlando caught up with shitsnake Jorsling early, sooner than later they go figure out KJ running on hype and if he lucky he might be playing for Luton Town in two years.
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Imagine that and I go still pick him over KJ.
Imagine KJ is a season pro, playing in de EPL years now and last year he score ONE league goal.
Atleast Orlando caught up with shitsnake Jorsling early, sooner than later they go figure out KJ running on hype and if he lucky he might be playing for Luton Town in two years.
How many hours did he play last season, i already told yuh to @ least be forthcoming in the midths of all yuh bias and hatred.
last yr KJ and pennent was subject to ah serious fight down by pulis hence the reason KJ only played in the europa league and very few prem games, and it continues into this season and @ present. BTW kj scored 7 goals last season and got minimal hours in the prem.
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KJ had one LEAGUE goal last season.
Blame everybody for KJ poor showing except him.
We have Carlos and Peltier.
Look Pennant carring Jones.
(http://www.secondose.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/goat_011.jpg)
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Ah listening some Pac now, I about to go take a early morning sweat.
You little young ass motherf**kers
Don't one of you niggaz got sickle cell or somethin?
You f**kin with me nigga you f**k around
and have a seizure or a heart-attack
You better back the f**k up, fore you get smacked the f**k up
That's how we do it on our side
Any of you niggaz from New York that wanna bring it bring it
But we ain't singin, we bringin drama
f**k you and your motherf**kin mama
We gonna kill all you motherf**kers
Now when I came out I told you it was just about Biggie
Then everybody had to open their mouth with a motherf**kin opinion
Well this how we gonna do this
f**k Mobb Deep
f**k Biggie
f**k Bad Boy as a staff record label
and as a motherf**kin crew
And if you wanna be down with Bad Boy
Then f**k you too
Chino XL, f**k you too
All you motherf**kers, f**k you too
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Yuh ever try to Strangle yuh prick ?
Like draw two eyes, a nose and a mouth on your cock head and choke it to death.
Tis is de definition of the way the T&T coaches using KJ according to you.
Sam, I go use this. And that pic real funny, poor KJ.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Why alyuh doh haul alyuh arse, Dwighty as scoring 20 something goals at Man United and couldn't buss de net for T&T. KJ can play, yuh feel he reach where he is by jogging around the field. Is not Turkminestan or Guam, or Pakistanalabad the man playing is the EPL....home of the European Champions League Champions.
Yuh damned right, Dwight wasn't producing for TnT the same way he was producing for manu, but at least all that left us was wanting Dwight to live up to a standard he had well established as his own. At least Dwight showed, somewhere on some pitch, that he was a phenomenal player and a force to be reckoned with. Latapy, who many may argue never lived up to his full potential, still proved on some level, that he was well worth the time of some club or country. Kenwyne Jones is barely proving that about himself. In fact, it may even be terribly unfair to mention him in the same scroll as Latas and Dwight because he is simply not as equally talented....or motivated. So, just because he is on the roster of some club that is playing in the same league of the defending European champions, doesn't mean he's not a shithong. It does have shithong in the World Cup and all so what is de Premiership? All I seein' is men making more excuses for KJ than his play is making a real name for himself.
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De worst striker in T&T right now Devorn Jorsling is 10 times better than Kenwyne Jones.
just cool, put that is de challis and smoke it.
And this next asshole they call elan just running up he mouth like ah f00cking ole goat.
If you read my post you will see I said "FOR EXAMPLE !!!!.... When Yorke legs got tired as a striker he finally commit to T&T then they drop him into midfield and he was our most effective player in the WC, he brought something to the table when he was not scoring goals."
Allyuh just tak !!! tak...
Sam you is ah rel cunny, they should start charging yuh to use the site so it will limit the amount ah :bs: yuh does write. Devon Jorsling better than KJ, lol good one. Who say Jorsling Good, Shabazz.......stueps. Kj was taken out of T&T by top coaches. Is not me who say he good, is the coaches who spend 8 million pounds for him. Jorsling probably cyah carry 8 lbs ah potato. Rock so nah Sam Bo
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Why alyuh doh haul alyuh arse, Dwighty as scoring 20 something goals at Man United and couldn't buss de net for T&T. KJ can play, yuh feel he reach where he is by jogging around the field. Is not Turkminestan or Guam, or Pakistanalabad the man playing is the EPL....home of the European Champions League Champions.
Yuh damned right, Dwight wasn't producing for TnT the same way he was producing for manu, but at least all that left us was wanting Dwight to live up to a standard he had well established as his own. At least Dwight showed, somewhere on some pitch, that he was a phenomenal player and a force to be reckoned with. Latapy, who many may argue never lived up to his full potential, still proved on some level, that he was well worth the time of some club or country. Kenwyne Jones is barely proving that about himself. In fact, it may even be terribly unfair to mention him in the same scroll as Latas and Dwight because he is simply not as equally talented....or motivated. So, just because he is on the roster of some club that is playing in the same league of the defending European champions, doesn't mean he's not a shithong. It does have shithong in the World Cup and all so what is de Premiership? All I seein' is men making more excuses for KJ than his play is making a real name for himself.
KJ seems to be the type of player where yo have to build your team around him. He is not a pure striker or even a natural forward, muchless for a goal scorer. Having said that, he has shown that when a team is oriented to his strength and a coach takes the time to bring him into the tactical arrangement he CAN produce. As I answered Giggsy, he is not a baller, however he can play.
Look at Barca, yo think Messi will score as much goals if the team play is not centered around him? Ronaldo, Rooney, RVP....? We play by happenstance. You can see we don't have a final phase to our game, so whenever we get ah goal we have to take ah goal. How many passes do we make in the final 1/3rd of the game consistently? How many quality crosses to we record? How many corners do we generate? How often do we play to allow KJ or any striker to get into the box to enable the final touch?
Man this is not long time football, football is a science, a brain game, a big brain game, and to say ah man just eh scoring is ignorance. Look at our build-up play over various games. Alyuh could say what alyuh want about the fella, me eh know he, but I think it's a bit unfair to just waste down de fella, especially in this set up.
But hey, let Sam explain it, he and Beenhaker was good.
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Some questions:
1. Would it be worth it to build a NT squad around KJ?
2. Who would a squad built around KJ be comprised of?
3. Would building a NT squad around KJ resolve other concerns?
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Some questions:
1. Would it be worth it to build a NT squad around KJ?
No
2. Who would a squad built around KJ be comprised of?
Have no idea as we do not give enough players proper exposure to see who can be consistent. ( Peltier, Hyland, Robertsetc have not ever really featured). So it will be hard for me to say.
3. Would building a NT squad around KJ resolve other concerns?
No
But, if you are choosing him and expect him to generate goals, then some part of the tactics will have to be designed to suit him.
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1q2Some questions:
1. Would it be worth it to build a NT squad around KJ?
No
2. Who would a squad built around KJ be comprised of?
Have no idea as we do not give enough players proper exposure to see who can be consistent. ( Peltier, Hyland, Robertsetc have not ever really featured). So it will be hard for me to say.
3. Would building a NT squad around KJ resolve other concerns?
No
But, if you are choosing him and expect him to generate goals, then some part of the tactics will have to be designed to suit him.
I agree with your responses.
KJ should not be the first choice to generate goals, as such designing tactics to suit him is not a pragmatic approach ... particularly with an elimination tournament in mind and the evidence of having gone several games (I'm referring to the team in general) not having scored goals.
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1q2Some questions:
1. Would it be worth it to build a NT squad around KJ?
No
2. Who would a squad built around KJ be comprised of?
Have no idea as we do not give enough players proper exposure to see who can be consistent. ( Peltier, Hyland, Robertsetc have not ever really featured). So it will be hard for me to say.
3. Would building a NT squad around KJ resolve other concerns?
No
But, if you are choosing him and expect him to generate goals, then some part of the tactics will have to be designed to suit him.
I agree with your responses.
KJ should not be the first choice to generate goals, as such designing tactics to suit him is not a pragmatic approach ... particularly with an elimination tournament in mind and the evidence of having gone several games (I'm referring to the team in general) not having scored goals.
So, do you think that this is the case, the coaches being pragmatic?
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1q2Some questions:
1. Would it be worth it to build a NT squad around KJ?
No
2. Who would a squad built around KJ be comprised of?
Have no idea as we do not give enough players proper exposure to see who can be consistent. ( Peltier, Hyland, Robertsetc have not ever really featured). So it will be hard for me to say.
3. Would building a NT squad around KJ resolve other concerns?
No
But, if you are choosing him and expect him to generate goals, then some part of the tactics will have to be designed to suit him.
I agree with your responses.
KJ should not be the first choice to generate goals, as such designing tactics to suit him is not a pragmatic approach ... particularly with an elimination tournament in mind and the evidence of having gone several games (I'm referring to the team in general) not having scored goals.
So, do you think that this is the case, the coaches being pragmatic?
Yuh inviting me to go to an area I've declined to go ...
I've not gone there yet because I would like to take another look at the Peru away game in a more dispassionate, less-irritated manner than when I saw it the first time. I would like to give players and decision-makers the benefit of the doubt. That stated, I am doubtful the tacticians will escape condemnation. My fear is that some players will suffer for being placed in a situation that could only have produced the result it did.
I think it was Beenieman who said "ooonoo ah shoot di wrong setta people right now". The coaching staff has commented that some players have been found wanting, but this finding doesn't explain everything away (and should not monopolize how we assess performances) when there's more than a sliver of evidence that the tactical orientation and posture adopted by the team is/was itself wanting. That buck rests in 1 or more of 3 places ... coach 1, coach 2 and/or TD.
I described myself as "irritated", buh trust me ... it was worse than that. Literally, when I got to it ... I had to stop watching video of the game in mid-stream. And that decision was provoked exclusively by our obvious lack of defensive cohesion even before goals 2 and 3.
On top of that, I took it on the chin when a respected Argentine soccer mind described our tactical scheme as "rudimentary" ... the sad thing being, he didn't need to be an internationally-respected soccer mind to come to that conclusion. The deficiency has been glaringly obvious to posters.
The lack of defensive cohesion chafed because the manner in which the players responded to the opponent being in possession told me that even if the coaching staff spent time articulating what our defensive posture would be when not in possession, the coaches could not have done (enough?) effective work on the training ground! But even with that ... that's not a product of the international calendar and its limitations. Our reaction to the situation could tell yuh that.
The lack of defensive cohesion by itself is an indefensible proposition, and I think it's high time we cease being tolerant as our marginal football reputation challenges the gutter for height.
I make no apology in saying that what I saw could in no way represent the best Trinidad & Tobago has to offer on a football field (and I'm not referring to the players!).
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1q2Some questions:
1. Would it be worth it to build a NT squad around KJ?
No
2. Who would a squad built around KJ be comprised of?
Have no idea as we do not give enough players proper exposure to see who can be consistent. ( Peltier, Hyland, Robertsetc have not ever really featured). So it will be hard for me to say.
3. Would building a NT squad around KJ resolve other concerns?
No
But, if you are choosing him and expect him to generate goals, then some part of the tactics will have to be designed to suit him.
I agree with your responses.
KJ should not be the first choice to generate goals, as such designing tactics to suit him is not a pragmatic approach ... particularly with an elimination tournament in mind and the evidence of having gone several games (I'm referring to the team in general) not having scored goals.
So, do you think that this is the case, the coaches being pragmatic?
Yuh inviting me to go to an area I've declined to go ...
I've not gone there yet because I would like to take another look at the Peru away game in a more dispassionate, less-irritated manner than when I saw it the first time. I would like to give players and decision-makers the benefit of the doubt. That stated, I am doubtful the tacticians will escape condemnation. My fear is that some players will suffer for being placed in a situation that could only have produced the result it did.
I think it was Beenieman who said "ooonoo ah shoot di wrong setta people right now". The coaching staff has commented that some players have been found wanting, but this finding doesn't explain everything away (and should not monopolize how we assess performances) when there's more than a sliver of evidence that the tactical orientation and posture adopted by the team is/was itself wanting. That buck rests in 1 or more of 3 places ... coach 1, coach 2 and/or TD.
I described myself as "irritated", buh trust me ... it was worse than that. Literally, when I got to it ... I had to stop watching video of the game in mid-stream. And that decision was provoked exclusively by our obvious lack of defensive cohesion even before goals 2 and 3.
On top of that, I took it on the chin when a respected Argentine soccer mind described our tactical scheme as "rudimentary" ... the sad thing being, he didn't need to be an internationally-respected soccer mind to come to that conclusion. The deficiency has been glaringly obvious to posters.
The lack of defensive cohesion chafed because the manner in which the players responded to the opponent being in possession told me that even if the coaching staff spent time articulating what our defensive posture would be when not in possession, the coaches could not have done (enough?) effective work on the training ground! But even with that ... that's not a product of the international calendar and its limitations. Our reaction to the situation could tell yuh that.
The lack of defensive cohesion by itself is an indefensible proposition, and I think it's high time we cease being tolerant as our marginal football reputation challenges the gutter for height.
I make no apology in saying that what I saw could in no way represent the best Trinidad & Tobago has to offer on a football field (and I'm not referring to the players!).
I think you nudged me to go watch
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Why did we constantly ended up in this situation, It was a recurring theme through out the highlight.
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Why alyuh doh haul alyuh arse, Dwighty as scoring 20 something goals at Man United and couldn't buss de net for T&T. KJ can play, yuh feel he reach where he is by jogging around the field. Is not Turkminestan or Guam, or Pakistanalabad the man playing is the EPL....home of the European Champions League Champions.
Yuh damned right, Dwight wasn't producing for TnT the same way he was producing for manu, but at least all that left us was wanting Dwight to live up to a standard he had well established as his own. At least Dwight showed, somewhere on some pitch, that he was a phenomenal player and a force to be reckoned with. Latapy, who many may argue never lived up to his full potential, still proved on some level, that he was well worth the time of some club or country. Kenwyne Jones is barely proving that about himself. In fact, it may even be terribly unfair to mention him in the same scroll as Latas and Dwight because he is simply not as equally talented....or motivated. So, just because he is on the roster of some club that is playing in the same league of the defending European champions, doesn't mean he's not a shithong. It does have shithong in the World Cup and all so what is de Premiership? All I seein' is men making more excuses for KJ than his play is making a real name for himself.
KJ seems to be the type of player where yo have to build your team around him. He is not a pure striker or even a natural forward, muchless for a goal scorer. Having said that, he has shown that when a team is oriented to his strength and a coach takes the time to bring him into the tactical arrangement he CAN produce. As I answered Giggsy, he is not a baller, however he can play.
Look at Barca, yo think Messi will score as much goals if the team play is not centered around him? Ronaldo, Rooney, RVP....? We play by happenstance. You can see we don't have a final phase to our game, so whenever we get ah goal we have to take ah goal. How many passes do we make in the final 1/3rd of the game consistently? How many quality crosses to we record? How many corners do we generate? How often do we play to allow KJ or any striker to get into the box to enable the final touch?
Man this is not long time football, football is a science, a brain game, a big brain game, and to say ah man just eh scoring is ignorance. Look at our build-up play over various games. Alyuh could say what alyuh want about the fella, me eh know he, but I think it's a bit unfair to just waste down de fella, especially in this set up.
But hey, let Sam explain it, he and Beenhaker was good.
Boss, you using names like Messi, Ronaldo, RvP and (god forbid) even rooney, to make an analogy on building a team around Kenwyne Jones?!?! You HAVE to be smokin' crack. You making it seem as though people are using just sheer scoring numbers to "waste the man down" when nothing could be further from the truth. You can build teams around them names you called their because, in each of their own individual rights, they are, one way or another, proven, exceptional players. Kenwyne Jones is far from that. How can you talk of building a team around a player that has ONE strength, and that is that he is a decent header of the ball. ALL other aspects of his fundamental game are terribly lacking: poor first touch; poor shooter; he's not known for his (1)passing OR his (2)dribbling prowess, he has a mediocre work rate (at best) and, for his size, he seems to be physically weak both on and off the ball. C'mon, son!!
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Kenwyne only have one strength?? you either mad or yuh don't watch enough of jones.
the first goal dat he scored in the EPL against redding was ah sweet turn and fire with the left foot @ an acute angle his 2nd game in a sunderland jersey @ that to break his cherry.
he also scored ah wonder goal against tottenham two seasons ago, and against ryner that same season, and there are many occasion where he scored with his foot and nice goals too.
jones is also very speedy and has ah good assist rate. allyuh ever stop to wonder that KJ might just hate the system that he plays and does not look forward to playing this bland less than productive system??
english football and managers are as bland as the foods they eat, it's ah kick away the ball system for the most part.
roy keene played kick away the ball, sprager played kick away the ball, bruce and pulis also plays dump the ball and hope for ah miracle, fack, i will be fedup and unmotivated with dat system meh damn self!
bet if KJ played for ah villas boas, ah wenger, ah benitez or ah mancini he would do way way better! which brings me back to T&T, the main reason why we lose so many games is bc our midfield has always neglected their responsibilities.
take forinstance last week's game in peru. we went up for a corner and got caught on a counter attack, the defense is caught out of position and our transition was slow to reorganize the defense, what did our midfield do?? they literally walked back on transition.
birchall was the only one who sprung into action, and he himself instead of putting in ah solid tackle he escorted the player to the half way line allowing him to make the past to the winger resulting in a cross that lead to the goal. any other midfielder in concacaf or comebol would have brought him down and took ah card for the team.
our defenders were out of position, and not only that but were disorganized and out of shape! he needed to stop the play and allow the team time to recoop, why was that attacker who headed the ball past phillips unmarked? that is unheard of in today's football!
we had five midfielders on the field and none of them had the good sense to put a body on this guy?
another point to this is the fact that you're using two laborers in the most creative position CM position, bleeder is ah laborer and keon edwards is ah laborer as well as is birchall, so we have no creativity down the middle! and the two wingers were getting fouled every time they touched the ball, allowing the defense to reorganize making it harder to break them down.
have you guys ever notice that T&T defense is the easiest thing to score on once you discombobulate them?? anytime there's rapid ball movement and quick running @ them they does be all over the place leaving players unmarked to slip passed them and score some of the easiest goals on record.
that's bc the midfield don't kill the play before it build up, this has been my observation, our midfield don't help our defense @ all, this is why beenhaaker played with 5 midfielders most of the time, bc when yuh don't have an iron clad defense yuh have to supplement it with ah work horse midfield.
our midfield is and has always been the problem, they are an unconditioned out of shape bunch of laborers, with the exception of houton hector and maybe hyland, but the rest could scarcely change the complexity of a game and turn it into a running game or a possession game.
only latapy had that ability, and now hector to some extent, but the rest are laborers and laborers seldom set up or create goal scoring opportunities. so what allyuh want KJ to do bout dat?? stuueeeppsss!!
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Ah bounch up Kenwyne in training when he was in T&T last time, ah manage to get a shot with him, cool fella man.
(http://www.bugbitten.com/images/7806689d934e610d660caf5536fea0b2/Perhentian_Islands_Kecil-59547/Perhentian_Islands_Kecil-2099528.jpeg)
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Ah bounch up Kenwyne in training when he was in T&T last time, ah manage to get a shot with him, cool fella man.
(http://www.bugbitten.com/images/7806689d934e610d660caf5536fea0b2/Perhentian_Islands_Kecil-59547/Perhentian_Islands_Kecil-2099528.jpeg)
I see yuh can't tell the difference between the two specie, same way yuh cyar tell between ah talented player and ah bum! (jorslin/kenwyne). BTW that is ah picture of a sheep and not a goat boss, big difference. ;)
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This is a sheep bro, that other picture was a nanny goat.... and besides, who cares, ok, he is half goat and half sheep.
(http://www.animalpictures123.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Mother-And-Little-Sheep.jpeg)
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And I never said Jorsling was good, I said - De worst striker in T&T right now Devorn Jorsling is 10 times better than Kenwyne Jones.
And I am trying to say, I would pick him over Jones, thats how bad I think KJ performs for T&T. I was using a scarasium.
Dont misquote me, if yuh cant argue vote for NJAC.
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Allyuh watch this 6 foot stiker here...
22 and 44 seconds in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceDIWOuzeNw
De man real good, he should play netball.
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Allyuh watch this 6 foot stiker here...
22 and 44 seconds in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceDIWOuzeNw
De man real good, he should play netball.
Dat was a terrible miss i will admit, but i've seen worst from better strikers. hek you acting like big name players don't get their feet twisted @ times.
BTW @ sec 22, that was ah foul, the man spill over on jones, plus who knows if he was trying to win ah penalty, yuh never know.
BTW the fella who made that run wearing the # 7 jersey have some good speed and ball control.
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Allyuh watch this 6 foot stiker here...
22 and 44 seconds in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceDIWOuzeNw
De man real good, he should play netball.
Dat was a terrible miss i will admit, but i've seen worst from better strikers. hek you acting like big name players don't get their feet twisted @ times.
BTW @ sec 22, that was ah foul, the man spill over on jones, plus who knows if he was trying to win ah penalty, yuh never know.
BTW the fella who made that run wearing the # 7 jersey have some good speed and ball control.
JC yuh go defend dat? KJ throw himself after he miscontrol the ball and feel the defender bump him. Poor poor poor.
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Allyuh watch this 6 foot stiker here...
22 and 44 seconds in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceDIWOuzeNw
De man real good, he should play netball.
Dat was a terrible miss i will admit, but i've seen worst from better strikers. hek you acting like big name players don't get their feet twisted @ times.
BTW @ sec 22, that was ah foul, the man spill over on jones, plus who knows if he was trying to win ah penalty, yuh never know.
BTW the fella who made that run wearing the # 7 jersey have some good speed and ball control.
JC yuh go defend dat? KJ throw himself after he miscontrol the ball and feel the defender bump him. Poor poor poor.
OK, whatever the case, it happens in football, man slip man fall man miss control ball, man even miss open goal mouth all alone with no pressure, i've seen worst, it's all in ah days work and part and parcel of the beautiful game. :whistling:
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A BIG tune, dedicated to T&T's number one striker Kenwyne Jones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMnsR3ufLzc
Enjoy fellas.
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how much time de man go fall dong when he ha goal to score..
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how much time de man go fall dong when he ha goal to score..
As for you!! i make you out from your first post, you're another alter ego of someone who don't have the balls tuh troll on their initial membership, so yuh put on another face just to fack wid ppl.
so go back under yuh bridge troll wid yuh bumpy nose self and stop trying tuh teef ppl head, be ah good little troll now, down boy down.
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how much time de man go fall dong when he ha goal to score..
As for you!! i make you out from your first post, you're another alter ego of someone who don't have the balls tuh troll on their initial membership, so yuh put on another face just to fack wid ppl.
so go back under yuh bridge troll wid yuh bumpy nose self and stop trying tuh teef ppl head, be ah good little troll now, down boy down.
But he makes a good point.
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Arm chair coaches...all yuh go and play in de epl nahh...busss net fuh so rite....men gehn paid big money to play ball...men that qualified and trained pick de man...but we on we couch know better....send all yuh resume.all yuh know talent
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This thread have real legs boy. Allyuh gone from calling de man ah Austin Cambridge or a Morris Oxford to almost saying he is a failure. KJ need service. If he eh getting it in de EPL playing for so so teams, he certainly eh go get it here with a five pass and lose it team. His work rate could be better but he eh alone in that regard.
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Allyuh does well make me laugh ..I like coming on dis forum to geh my Jones.. :rotfl:
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This thread have real legs boy. Allyuh gone from calling de man ah Austin Cambridge or a Morris Oxford to almost saying he is a failure. KJ need service. If he eh getting it in de EPL playing for so so teams, he certainly eh go get it here with a five pass and lose it team. His work rate could be better but he eh alone in that regard.
... and that includes negative passes.
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Arm chair coaches...all yuh go and play in de epl nahh...busss net fuh so rite....men gehn paid big money to play ball...men that qualified and trained pick de man...but we on we couch know better....send all yuh resume.all yuh know talent
Allyuh men does talk some rel dam shit when allyuh ready oui! First thing, you really believe that just because men coaching in the big leagues that they does always get their judgments/decisions right? Some ah allyuh gettin' tie up because the focus (here) in Kenwyne Jones but yuh think he is the only goat in the E/BPL that getting contract? Yuh know hummuch goats it have plying their trade in English football?! Up to last year Emile Heskey was still playin' in the E/BPL and it have unborn children that done know he was a goat....but is "men that qualified and trained" that did pick him, too. Kenwyne Jones has been compared to men like Didier Drogba and all by these same "qualified and trained" men. He was/is supposed to be the next greatest thing outta TnT after Dwight Yorke.....in a way he is comparable to Dwight because he somehow can't seem to play his A-game for the country (then maybe he will bring it out for our next opening game in a WC, too.) teams like Liverpool and Spurs "wanted" him but ultimately, the kindsa figures his current teams was asking for was too much, (figures like 5 and 6 million pounds)and they didn't seem to want him all that much. I glad fuh Kenwyne...in fact, his family and my family rel cool and know each other donkey years now....which is why I personally have refrained from saying much about him on this forum....but plain talk is bad manners and it rel amazing to see hummuch people does cyah see him for what he is: a player that "flatters to deceive". He has LOTS of "potential". Always has. That seems to always be the story of him, though.
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Arm chair coaches...all yuh go and play in de epl nahh...busss net fuh so rite....men gehn paid big money to play ball...men that qualified and trained pick de man...but we on we couch know better....send all yuh resume.all yuh know talent
Allyuh men does talk some rel dam shit when allyuh ready oui! First thing, you really believe that just because men coaching in the big leagues that they does always get their judgments/decisions right? Some ah allyuh gettin' tie up because the focus (here) in Kenwyne Jones but yuh think he is the only goat in the E/BPL that getting contract? Yuh know hummuch goats it have plying their trade in English football?! Up to last year Emile Heskey was still playin' in the E/BPL and it have unborn children that done know he was a goat....but is "men that qualified and trained" that did pick him, too. Kenwyne Jones has been compared to men like Didier Drogba and all by these same "qualified and trained" men. He was/is supposed to be the next greatest thing outta TnT after Dwight Yorke.....in a way he is comparable to Dwight because he somehow can't seem to play his A-game for the country (then maybe he will bring it out for our next opening game in a WC, too.) teams like Liverpool and Spurs "wanted" him but ultimately, the kindsa figures his current teams was asking for was too much, (figures like 5 and 6 million pounds)and they didn't seem to want him all that much. I glad fuh Kenwyne...in fact, his family and my family rel cool and know each other donkey years now....which is why I personally have refrained from saying much about him on this forum....but plain talk is bad manners and it rel amazing to see hummuch people does cyah see him for what he is: a player that "flatters to deceive". He has LOTS of "potential". Always has. That seems to always be the story of him, though.
Breds, there are a few stand outs in any league, and for the most part 75% of the players are mediocre. KJ is undoubtedly one of the 75%, but that doesn't detract from the fact that he's EPL quality.
the thing that we're all missing is that we in T&T watch soo much pretty football and cheer for the best teams in the world that if a player don't measure up to the standards that we are accustomed to we throw them in the "sh!tsnake" category.
lets face it, we are big time glory hunters who don't have a strong football tradition. who here would ever cheer for a darby county, or doncaster?
we won't bc we love pretty football, but the fella who will die for doncaster has a strong football tradition and would drive miles to watch players way worst than anything we have on the national team, and cheer them on with all his heart.
i heard fellas on here say that christiano ronaldo is ah sh!t hound, "emmanuel adebayor should never go near a prem team again", how johnny evens belong in the championship, and these are top class players, so what wouldn't you not say about ah bleeder or a KJ.
IMO KJ lack two things from being a top goal scorer in the prem, he lacks a good team, and a good coach. his inefficiencies are his first touch, his awareness and his moodiness, but these things would never stop him from being a goal threat had he the right system and supporting cast.
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A BIG tune, dedicated to T&T's number one striker Kenwyne Jones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMnsR3ufLzc
Enjoy fellas.
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How did you discover that song of all things Sam...
:rotfl:
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A BIG tune, dedicated to T&T's number one striker Kenwyne Jones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMnsR3ufLzc
Enjoy fellas.
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How did you discover that song of all things Sam...
:rotfl:
Allyuh fellas could be in the CIA destabilizing countries left and right and watching ppl suffer on account of your handy work and not give ah damn just goin about yuh life happier than ever sleeping quite comfortable @ night oui.
keep up your little charade pardner, feel like no body eh on tuh yuh.
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A BIG tune, dedicated to T&T's number one striker Kenwyne Jones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMnsR3ufLzc
Enjoy fellas.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
How did you discover that song of all things Sam...
:rotfl:
Allyuh fellas could be in the CIA destabilizing countries left and right and watching ppl suffer on account of your handy work and not give ah damn just goin about yuh life happier than ever sleeping quite comfortable @ night oui.
keep up your little charade pardner, feel like no body eh on tuh yuh.
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JC, ok, you on to me, now what ?
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KJ gets the start today vs Villa
could get a run of games leading up to the end of the season and off to the GC if he can lead Stoke to victory today.
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he throw way a good chance and get in an argument with his teammate..stoke end up losing after i thought they might steal de win
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Ah watch de first half delayed and NYTriniwhiteboy sell out the result so ah say me eh watching no 2nd half, ah was wondering, allyuh feel Hutson and Shabazz does watch games that KJ (or other foreign-based) playing in?
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I am sure KJ is a good enough cricketer capable of doing well enough to get a contract with the IPL like Pollard,he should consider switching sports.
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Kenwyne Jones set for Stoke City exit?
By Femi Hilekaan (givemefootball.com)
If Stoke City preserve their Premier League status, a replacement for striker Kenwyne Jones should be top of Tony Pulis' summer transfer wishlist.
Jones has struggled to have any impact for the Potters this season - managing just three goals and two assists. His major flaw is his reluctance to hold onto balls and keep possession, which has left Stoke exposed to counter attacks.
Stoke have struggled to create goal-scoring chances this season, with the majority of their openings coming from throw-ins and long balls. Despite his aerial advantage, Jones has been very poor and has failed to benefit from Stoke's style of play.
Pulis' tactics require a clinical striker who is good in the air, versatile and decisive. Unfortunately, Jones is by no means close to any of those qualities.
Read More... (http://socawarriors.net/foreign-based/foreign-based-news/foreign-based-news/12357-kenwyne-jones-set-for-stoke-city-exit.html)
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Can't believe they want to blame this all on KJ ........ SMH
boy these english fans and press always need someone to blame. why didn't he talk about crouch not scoring in 15 appearances, and only managing 4+ goals for the whole season! i say if they want someone to blame then blame pulis for not rotating his players for starters.
the man played ah whole season without using most his 25 man team/ half his bench bench. he have fellas like edu, palacios, upson, adam, pennant, jerome, owen, KJ and shea rotting on the bench. the man not resting his defenders and midfielders ah rass to the point where them fellas over worked!
KJ was started after crouch's injury and managed three goals in four games, then as soon as crouch's teeth stopped hurting he was back in the starting line up, now tell me if this coach have ah clue. no forward could shine with 10 mins @ a time on the pitch. sssttuueeepppsss
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One set ah assnes in truth. Crouch have triple the minutes and dat long ugly f**ker only score 6 in all competitions for the year. Jones socred 5!
Assness Pulis is a dog..mangy one too. He treated Fuller with the same disdain!
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That writer sounds like an amateur. The site made all kinda disclaimers on the web page.
On a serious note I not ready for KJ to go back to the Championship. I hope somebody in the top flight comes in for him.
It have real shithongs still in the Prem so I know he still has the quality.
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Pulis is ah big dunce and i cyah believe dey tryin tuh drop de blame on Jones...Watch de game against man u and u go see how frustrating it have tuh be as ah striker playin in dat team. tuh begin with dey had jones playin up front alone with walters and shelton(ah think dais he name, de black boi dat usually does play right back) playin on de wings...I en think one cross came in dah whole game, wam tuh players like pennant who is much better far more better dan dem two at playin out wide and i en know if etherington injured but walters n shelton surely cyah be playin de wing n u expect tuh get service for de striker.
whole game is only straight aerial balls dey playin for jones, all at least head height so man cyah even try ah chest trap and even though he won his fair share of flick ons it had no one near him tuh benefit. truth be told stoke football wayyyyy uglier dan bolton football under allerdyce...full time now dey get rid ah Tony Pulis
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However, by the same token, there have been many unsuccessful target men in the Premier League in recent years. One player befitting that description is Kenwyne Jones. In three years, and almost 90 appearances for the Potters, Jones has a record of one goal in every 6.7 games he has featured in, a desperately low figure for any forward, but particularly for a target man deployed in a side that hinges on a tall front-man. He has not scored in 20 top flight encounters.
The idea that Jones, who Harry Redknapp once scathingly described as “laid-back to the point of semi-consciousness”, is still a regular for the midlands outfit, and the fact that his record for a club so focussed on supply for a lone target man is so dire, paints an accurate, if bleak, picture of the calibre and competence of target men in the current state of the Premier League.
Jones is not the sole case of a target man underachieving, underperforming and underwhelming. Almost every club in the BPL has had a failed target man in their squad in the last five years: Bendtner and Chamakh at Arsenal, Heskey (blasphemy) at Villa, Gestede and Parkin at Cardiff, it goes on.
http://backpagefootball.com/just-give-it-to-the-big-man/65396/
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If the man is enjoying his life than fairplay to him. If he is taking care of responsibilities then he is doing his job as a man but I can't help but think how good this guy could've been. At Sunderland he was a decent striker heading for good things and now his ability has plummeted! He think he is capable if getting 15 goals (no more than that) a season in PL but it just seemed like he stopped trying. I've seen his first touch in front of goal mess up or blast the ball over the bar so many times now. Sad; Potentially I think he could be a really good player.
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If the man is enjoying his life than fairplay to him. If he is taking care of responsibilities then he is doing his job as a man but I can't help but think how good this guy could've been. At Sunderland he was a decent striker heading for good things and now his ability has plummeted! He think he is capable if getting 15 goals (no more than that) a season in PL but it just seemed like he stopped trying. I've seen his first touch in front of goal mess up or blast the ball over the bar so many times now. Sad; Potentially I think he could be a really good player.
He's the same player as at Sunderland. In fact, he works even harder now. But Stoke is a one striker team and Crouch is a 'better player', so he have to chill or move. This '90 appearances' and 'every 6.7 games' don't account for how most of them games is pigeon sweat. Based on goals-per-minute, he's actually the most prolific of all Stoke strikers. All of them have poor stats, though. So I doh know why single him out. KJ or no KJ, Stoke doh score. Among the worst across all 4 divisions.
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If the man is enjoying his life than fairplay to him. If he is taking care of responsibilities then he is doing his job as a man but I can't help but think how good this guy could've been. At Sunderland he was a decent striker heading for good things and now his ability has plummeted! He think he is capable if getting 15 goals (no more than that) a season in PL but it just seemed like he stopped trying. I've seen his first touch in front of goal mess up or blast the ball over the bar so many times now. Sad; Potentially I think he could be a really good player.
He's the same player as at Sunderland. In fact, he works even harder now. But Stoke is a one striker team and Crouch is a 'better player', so he have to chill or move. This '90 appearances' and 'every 6.7 games' don't account for how most of them games is pigeon sweat. Based on goals-per-minute, he's actually the most prolific of all Stoke strikers. All of them have poor stats, though. So I doh know why single him out. KJ or no KJ, Stoke doh score. Among the worst across all 4 divisions.
We'll agree to disagree, and I know how stoke play. Single out KJ? Is thread is about KJ not crouch, no singling out. If there is a reason for 'singling out' anyone well I leave you to work out why *stares a thread title* Some of the first touches I see him take and missed opportunities I wonder what happened to him. If stoke is the problem, then move on. If he doesn't want to score goals and defend become a centre-back LOL
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If the man is enjoying his life than fairplay to him. If he is taking care of responsibilities then he is doing his job as a man but I can't help but think how good this guy could've been. At Sunderland he was a decent striker heading for good things and now his ability has plummeted! He think he is capable if getting 15 goals (no more than that) a season in PL but it just seemed like he stopped trying. I've seen his first touch in front of goal mess up or blast the ball over the bar so many times now. Sad; Potentially I think he could be a really good player.
He's the same player as at Sunderland. In fact, he works even harder now. But Stoke is a one striker team and Crouch is a 'better player', so he have to chill or move. This '90 appearances' and 'every 6.7 games' don't account for how most of them games is pigeon sweat. Based on goals-per-minute, he's actually the most prolific of all Stoke strikers. All of them have poor stats, though. So I doh know why single him out. KJ or no KJ, Stoke doh score. Among the worst across all 4 divisions.
We'll agree to disagree, and I know how stoke play. Single out KJ? Is thread is about KJ not crouch, no singling out. If there is a reason for 'singling out' anyone well I leave you to work out why *stares a thread title* Some of the first touches I see him take and missed opportunities I wonder what happened to him. If stoke is the problem, then move on. If he doesn't want to score goals and defend become a centre-back LOL
I was referring to the article singling him out, not you. Out of all Stoke strikers who all in a mess.
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If the man is enjoying his life than fairplay to him. If he is taking care of responsibilities then he is doing his job as a man but I can't help but think how good this guy could've been. At Sunderland he was a decent striker heading for good things and now his ability has plummeted! He think he is capable if getting 15 goals (no more than that) a season in PL but it just seemed like he stopped trying. I've seen his first touch in front of goal mess up or blast the ball over the bar so many times now. Sad; Potentially I think he could be a really good player.
He's the same player as at Sunderland. In fact, he works even harder now. But Stoke is a one striker team and Crouch is a 'better player', so he have to chill or move. This '90 appearances' and 'every 6.7 games' don't account for how most of them games is pigeon sweat. Based on goals-per-minute, he's actually the most prolific of all Stoke strikers. All of them have poor stats, though. So I doh know why single him out. KJ or no KJ, Stoke doh score. Among the worst across all 4 divisions.
We'll agree to disagree, and I know how stoke play. Single out KJ? Is thread is about KJ not crouch, no singling out. If there is a reason for 'singling out' anyone well I leave you to work out why *stares a thread title* Some of the first touches I see him take and missed opportunities I wonder what happened to him. If stoke is the problem, then move on. If he doesn't want to score goals and defend become a centre-back LOL
I was referring to the article singling him out, not you. Out of all Stoke strikers who all in a mess.
Well you quoted me and made references to what I said i.e sunderland so that would be the reason I responded :beermug:
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Begovic has more prem goals than KJ this season ;D
Actually Begovic should remind him every game, just for some motivation.
KJ is the club's top scorer in all comps despite that.
He need to do something, but it hard to do from the bench. Not even a sniff of the field today boy.
Those few starts he got early on were priceless opportunities.
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Begovic has more prem goals than KJ this season ;D
Actually Begovic should remind him every game, just for some motivation.
KJ is the club's top scorer in all comps despite that.
He need to do something, but it hard to do from the bench. Not even a sniff of the field today boy.
Those few starts he got early on were priceless opportunities.
This is the point i was making earlier in the season. His play was very good and he started to get the confidence of the manager who gave him a run of games. Unfortunately the first thing he chose to do was run his mouth in the press about the old manager etc. rather than put his head down and show his worth for the long haul. He will get another run before christmas i hope and hopefully he will take his chances then. The irony is that despite the good play of Crouch upfront they still not getting the results so the manager will still feel he may be an option.
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Any update on KJ? Last I read he picked up a shoulder injury vs. Jamaica and was to be assessed by his club but did not return following international duty.
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Crouch had a sweet assist in this game to Nzonzi.
I think the only solace KJ has is that all Stoke's strikers are woeful.
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Crouch had a sweet assist in this game to Nzonzi.
I think the only solace KJ has is that all Stoke's strikers are woeful.
Crouch starting to play good lately. So I eh know. West Ham need somebody.
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Crouch had a sweet assist in this game to Nzonzi.
I think the only solace KJ has is that all Stoke's strikers are woeful.
Crouch starting to play good lately. So I eh know. West Ham need somebody.
Why is it every time a club has to move somebady is always KJ?how many clubs has he played for since he in England? you all don't think if he's not moved that much and settle down with a club for two three seasons he could have been a better player? i find mentally his situations are not good for a player,the reajustments and by time he reajusts it's time to move.
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Crouch had a sweet assist in this game to Nzonzi.
I think the only solace KJ has is that all Stoke's strikers are woeful.
Crouch starting to play good lately. So I eh know. West Ham need somebody.
Why is it every time a club has to move somebady is always KJ?how many clubs has he played for since he in England? you all don't think if he's not moved that much and settle down with a club for two three seasons he could have been a better player? i find mentally his situations are not good for a player,the reajustments and by time he reajusts it's time to move.
He stay 3 seasons with Southampton. He stay 3 seasons with Sunderland. He dey 3 seasons with Stoke but cyah get a game for 2 of them. Might be time to spend 3 seasons elsewhere.
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On the plus side the guy is very adaptable which must help him in fitting into the national team
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The one exception is the southam move to Sunderland, that was a promo, all others were lateral, could have easily stayed on in the championship for southam
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Be careful of what you put out there in the Universe. He did So'ton dirty... ironic then that they're now challenging for a Champions League spot when he can't even get a run out for a team desperate to avoid relegation.
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Any news on his
health fitness ?
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St. Anthony's - Red and White stripes
Southampton - Red and White stripes
Sunderland - Red and White stripes
Stoke - Red and White stripes
Only exceptions are Joe Public and W Connection.
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Be careful of what you put out there in the Universe. He did So'ton dirty... ironic then that they're now challenging for a Champions League spot when he can't even get a run out for a team desperate to avoid relegation.
Nah, you have it wrong way. Southampton did him dirty allegedly. Somebody used to post here did know the details.
Apparently, they promised him that if a club offer above a certain amount, that they would let him talk to them. But instead when Derby, i think, make the bid, they blank them and hide it from him. Is after he find out from somebody else within the club that he went on strike.
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Nah, you have it wrong way. Southampton did him dirty allegedly. Somebody used to post here did know the details.
Apparently, they promised him that if a club offer above a certain amount, that they would let him talk to them. But instead when Derby, i think, make the bid, they blank them and hide it from him. Is after he find out from somebody else within the club that he went on strike.
That is nonsense talk, Kenwyne's always had an agent. Any club interested in him would contact his agent, either just before or just after contacting his club. So if there were such a "promise" (smells vaguely like Suarez' gripe against LFC over the summer) and another club came calling then he/his agent would have known about it. No two ways about that... no reason for the interested club to NOT let the player know about the interest, if for no other reason, so that the player would use his leverage to get out of his existing contract.
Second, the Derby bid was no secret... at the time they were interested they made their interest known and it was public knowledge contemporaneous to actual bid itself. Kenwyne didn't strike because they didn't let him know about the bid, he went on strike in order to force a transfer. I said it back in 2007 I disagree in principle with the whole going on strike thing to force your way out of a contract. To refuse to put on your club's shirt and perform your duties as agreed, simply because you want more money or to move to a 'better' team is perhaps one of the most selfish acts a professional athlete can do. Some will argue that he is justified in being selfish and that may be true, but don't think that it doesn't affect your reputation or that there won't be repercussions for that action.
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KJ show me he has quality.
I believe he has been bad lucky to get some kakahole managers that kill his confident. The man was inform and one or two bad games and they throw him off.
He should go to Swansea, Everton or Newcastle.
Come Lawrence, make a bid for him at Everton.
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Nah, you have it wrong way. Southampton did him dirty allegedly. Somebody used to post here did know the details.
Apparently, they promised him that if a club offer above a certain amount, that they would let him talk to them. But instead when Derby, i think, make the bid, they blank them and hide it from him. Is after he find out from somebody else within the club that he went on strike.
That is nonsense talk, Kenwyne's always had an agent. Any club interested in him would contact his agent, either just before or just after contacting his club. So if there were such a "promise" (smells vaguely like Suarez' gripe against LFC over the summer) and another club came calling then he/his agent would have known about it. No two ways about that... no reason for the interested club to NOT let the player know about the interest, if for no other reason, so that the player would use his leverage to get out of his existing contract.
Second, the Derby bid was no secret... at the time they were interested they made there interest known and it was public knowledge contemporaneous to actual bid itself. Kenwyne didn't strike because they didn't let him know about the bid, he went on strike in order to force a transfer. I said it back in 2007 I disagree in principle with the whole going on strike thing to force your way out of a contract. To refuse to put on your club's shirt and perform your duties as agreed, simply because you want more money or to move to a 'better' team is perhaps one of the most selfish acts a professional athlete can do. Some will argue that he is justified in being selfish and that may be true, but don't think that it doesn't affect your reputation or that there won't be repercussions for that action.
I just telling yuh what the person close to the situation say. Redtrinigirl or somebody. I might have the specific details wrong, but it right here on the sight somewhere. Me eh searching up to look for that, though.
Regardless of specific details, the main elements of what the poster say were that Kenwyne wanted a move, Southampton made promises to him about accepting bids and they were somehow duplicitous with him when bids started coming in, so he strike.
Grain of salt or pile of salt, not saying is facts. But it come from somebody closer to things than we or the papers we got our info from.
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I just telling yuh what the person close to the situation say. Redtrinigirl or somebody. I might have the specific details wrong, but it right here on the sight somewhere. Me eh searching up to look for that, though.
Regardless of specific details, the main elements of what the poster say were that Kenwyne wanted a move, Southampton made promises to him about accepting bids and they were somehow duplicitous with him when bids started coming in, so he strike.
Grain of salt or pile of salt, not saying is facts. But it come from somebody closer to things than we or the papers we got our info from.
Arrite cool, I hear yuh :beermug: Whomever the person is they not necessarily closer to "the situation"... just closer to Kenwyne version of things. I can't dispute that, but again, as with Suarez, any such trigger clauses have to be in writing. Verbal promises are enforceable, but how do you prove it? And how come we never hear anything about it in the press? So who knows where the truth lies... but what is indisputable is that other managers would have taken note of him refusing to play for Southampton.
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Kenwyne Jones voted as the 5th best Caribbean player in Europe
http://www.haitinews509.net/en/2013/12/haiti-sports-haitian-defender-pierre-jean-jacques-elected-second-best-player-caribbean
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Tallest doing he wuk:
Everton interested in signing Kenwyne Jones from Stoke City
Source: The Guardian UK
• Everton may offer £1m, Stoke want closer to £3 for striker
• Jones upsets Mark Hughes for not reporting for Liverpool game
Everton are interested in signing Kenwyne Jones from Stoke City and are trying to complete a deal for the striker for as little as £1m. The 29-year-old has less than six months left on his contract and Stoke would welcome the chance to move him on but the Midlands club are holding out for closer to £3m.
Jones is keen for the transfer to happen but he has upset Stoke by failing to report for Sunday's Premier League match against Liverpool at the Britannia Stadium when he would have been on the bench but his non-appearance forced Mark Hughes, the Stoke manager, to add another player to the bench.
Jones is believed to be citing personal reasons for his absence and it is understood that he sent a text message to Hughes on Saturday night to say that he would not be available. He met Hughes and Tony Scholes, Stoke's chief executive, to discuss the situation at the club's Clayton Wood training ground on Monday. When asked about Jones's omission on Sunday, Hughes would only say that the player was "unavailable".
With only six months remaining on his contract, it is inevitable that Jones will move on, either in this window or the summer. Signed from Sunderland for £8m in 2010, Jones has started only four Premier League matches this season and scored just 13 goals in the top flight during his time at the Britannia Stadium. hope to announce two signings within the next 24 hours. Stephen Ireland, who has been on loan from Aston Villa, will join on a permanent basis until the end of the season. The Ireland deal frees up a loan space for John Guidetti, Manchester City's 21-year-old Swedish striker, who will join for the remainder of the campaign.
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What Dennis Lawrence pulling rank?
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Hope so! If not, please tell him to move to Charlton for minimal money and get us out of the relegation fight in the Championship :p
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Stoke striker Jones fined £80,000 after texting boss Hughes to say he wouldn't play against Liverpool.
By NEIL MOXLEY (UK Mail Online)
Kenwyne Jones has been fined two weeks' wages by Stoke City after texting manager Mark Hughes to say he was unavailable to play against Liverpool.
The Trinidad and Tobago striker was hit with an £80,000 penalty after failing to report for Sunday's game.
Jones, who has six months left on his contract, contacted his manager on Saturday night to say he had no intention of turning up at the Britannia Stadium.
Stoke were unsure whether he would carry through his threat but it became evident that the 29-year-old would not be playing after he failed to attend the team's pre-match meal at the club's Clayton Wood training ground.
Hughes was understandably furious and his only comment to media who enquired after the 5-3 defeat to Liverpool was that Jones had been 'unavailable'.
The manager and chief executive Tony Scholes were called to a meeting with the player and his agent after training on Monday.
Stoke, who immediately censured the striker for breach of contract after he effectively withdrew his labour, believe that Jones may have another club waiting in the wings - Everton are among his admirers.
However, a suggestion that the player ought to be allowed to write off the remainder of his deal was laughed at by club officials.
Stoke would save themselves £1million in wages but Jones would then be free to sign for someone else during the transfer window without Stoke receiving a fee.
Hughes is baffled by the whole incident, particularly as Jones played in the FA Cup defeat of Leicester City the previous week and did well.
Jones has seen his place in the side taken by Peter Crouch, who has grasped the opportunity and given himself a new lease of life in the Potteries.
But there was no indication from the management before Sunday's game that Jones would not be playing.
Hughes has no intention of allowing the forward to leave while he remains in the hunt for additional firepower. Stoke are committed to bringing in one, if not two, strikers this month.
Hughes is not going to leave himself short of options by agreeing to sanction Jones' exit with the club still needing to safeguard their top flight status during the decisive second half of the season.
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Disgraceful behaviour... He's letting himself down
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oh gorm...not again.. 6 months with training & pay, yuh couldn't wait ?...not like yuh was in jail guy :yellowcard:
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KJ definitely wants out. All this pussy-footing around. Out!!!!!. The fans don't want him anyway. I don't condone that kind of behaviour, but he wants a clean break.
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Mark Hughes and them something else yes......he don't understand why KJ will do that be cause he get ah lil run the other day. KJ wrong, very wrong, but don't say you don't understand. They behaving like they've been using KJ week in and week out, the man get 4 starts and 3 subs all season.
But KJ have to learn he cyah flex like that.
He should come play some college football in the MLS.
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Kenwyne j Jones @KJ9nes 55m
Just make sure you you have the correct story before making a comment
Kenwyne j Jones @KJ9nes 53m
Don't believe everything you read in the papers
Kenwyne j Jones @KJ9nes 48m
Hopefully they will speak the truth if not in time I will.
And a deleted tweet:
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Kenwyne j Jones @KJ9nes 55m
Just make sure you you have the correct story before making a comment
Kenwyne j Jones @KJ9nes 53m
Don't believe everything you read in the papers
Kenwyne j Jones @KJ9nes 48m
Hopefully they will speak the truth if not in time I will.
And a deleted tweet:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/240x427q90/69/6qci.jpg)
Yeah... lemmih guess, he have ah 'Tsunami' tuh come. Is always somebody else fault.
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Kenwyne j Jones @KJ9nes 55m
Just make sure you you have the correct story before making a comment
Kenwyne j Jones @KJ9nes 53m
Don't believe everything you read in the papers
Kenwyne j Jones @KJ9nes 48m
Hopefully they will speak the truth if not in time I will.
And a deleted tweet:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/240x427q90/69/6qci.jpg)
Yeah... lemmih guess, he have ah 'Tsunami' tuh come. Is always somebody else fault.
You know more than KJ or you opt to believe the Honest club over trifling KJ? SMH
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The truth is out there somewhere, is a real catch 22 situation. I used to be an advocate for him to train hard every week, sit on the bench if he have to, keep quiet and collect he 40k sterling a week.
I guess everything coming to a head, man must be really feeling slighted and I could understand, 4 games in 10 days over christmas and he aint see a minute of action, not even a corbeaux. I was looking for their starting line up every game to see if he got the call and never did, even if it was just to rest Crouch for a 30 minutes in one of them games.
He have to think carefully about his actions though, whatever the circumstances around the Sunday game are he still under contract and needs to follow protocol. When they played him in the FA cup i figured he was going to stay the season, he is already cup tied and this Everton talk, i not sure either, he can't get ahead of Crouch at the moment so i not sure how much game time he will get ahead of Lukaku who himself pushing for a starting spot in a WC bound team.
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Kenwyne j Jones @KJ9nes 55m
Just make sure you you have the correct story before making a comment
Kenwyne j Jones @KJ9nes 53m
Don't believe everything you read in the papers
Kenwyne j Jones @KJ9nes 48m
Hopefully they will speak the truth if not in time I will.
And a deleted tweet:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/240x427q90/69/6qci.jpg)
Yeah... lemmih guess, he have ah 'Tsunami' tuh come. Is always somebody else fault.
You know more than KJ or you opt to believe the Honest club over trifling KJ? SMH
Truth somewhere in the middle most likely. The truth usually is.
Some fella that know him on Stoke forum say dat ain't de real story at all.
Something obviously play off, though. And I sure KJ ain't entirely innocent. Like ah say: it somewhere in the middle.
Have to ask yuhself, too, who leak the story to three different papers, and to what end.
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You know more than KJ or you opt to believe the Honest club over trifling KJ? SMH
I don't know more than KJ... I'm just familiar with his track record. That and I know bullshit when I smell it. But keep on being an apologist for him if that makes you happy.
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I thought it was strange for this to happen now and the move certainly would burn any bridges remaining with few supports at Stoke. In addition, considering a similar case has happened previously, a potential club may think that this can happen to them as well. Damage control is needed.
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You know what? I with KJ on this one. Maybe it's just because of the season of life I am in. There is a certain time as a professional you have to do what you have to do. In this world not everyone is afforded the privilege of the back room, drinks and a smile to sort things out. Even though he may have flaws as a player, he show's he's man. He made a decision and did it big!! Wrong, right or indifferent he had the courage to stand up for himself. You think he didn't consider the backlash? Courageous Kenwyne. My Captain :beermug:
EDIT: Prophecy: KJ game will rise from here on..watch and see.
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Maybe he should try MLS. Theyve made some big signings this offseason and i cant see him starting with everton.
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You know more than KJ or you opt to believe the Honest club over trifling KJ? SMH
I don't know more than KJ... I'm just familiar with his track record. That and I know bullshit when I smell it. But keep on being an apologist for him if that makes you happy.
I not siding with what they say he do, but at the same time the man come out publicly and say daiz not so. That would give me pause for thought. Maybe I need to watch him cut eye cause daiz how he is.
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You know what? I with KJ on this one. Maybe it's just because of the season of life I am in. There is a certain time as a professional you have to do what you have to do. In this world not everyone is afforded the privilege of the back room, drinks and a smile to sort things out. Even though he may have flaws as a player, he show's he's man. He made a decision and did it big!! Wrong, right or indifferent he had the courage to stand up for himself. You think he didn't consider the backlash? Courageous Kenwyne. My Captain :beermug:
EDIT: Prophecy: KJ game will rise from here on..watch and see.
You take de words out of my mouth. This man toting bench since at stoke...I glad he stand up for himself....crouch eh no baller infront of kj...tbh.....hmph. men might call me ignorant for this one...but I really feel crouch is geh pick over kj bcuz he is ah English man...kj making them wanna let him go...whoch is smart. ..ciz obiviously hughes didn't hv intentions of doing so...
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You know what? I with KJ on this one. Maybe it's just because of the season of life I am in. There is a certain time as a professional you have to do what you have to do. In this world not everyone is afforded the privilege of the back room, drinks and a smile to sort things out. Even though he may have flaws as a player, he show's he's man. He made a decision and did it big!! Wrong, right or indifferent he had the courage to stand up for himself. You think he didn't consider the backlash? Courageous Kenwyne. My Captain :beermug:
EDIT: Prophecy: KJ game will rise from here on..watch and see.
I think at the end of the day you can't forget that you have professional responsibilities. Your contract is both a legal document and a commitment from yourself to carry out your duties. To reject those duties, via text no less, is gross misconduct and speaks poorly of your character. The transfer window has two weeks - where's his formal request for transfer? At the end of the day, it seems disloyal at best to carry yourself in this manner - if he's not in the squad he can either buckle down and win it back through training performances, or act professionally and request a transfer.
Imagine if you had a problem with your boss, and decided to text him saying "don't feel like coming into work today". Grounds for formal warning at the least and quite rightly so - if you have a problem with the boss try to resolve it, if the problem is about professional conduct then complain higher up the line, or just resign with dignity.
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Stoke sent a message by not playing him in those four games. I understand why he vex but yuh hadda protect yuhself. Hopefully we get the whole story if there's more to it.
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Stoke sent a message by not playing him in those four games. I understand why he vex but yuh hadda protect yuhself. Hopefully we get the whole story if there's more to it.
That is the problem here - what are you reading into this? Possible list of alternative explanations;
Not fit enough
Didn't perform well in training
off the pitch misconduct
Attitude problem with backroom staff/players
internal club politics
Not performing as well as alternatives
not training as well as alternatives
Rested/experimenting with alternative line-ups
appearance clauses too expensive due to restructuring of the budget
None of these explanations justify this behaviour - half of them should lead to a transfer request and the other half by pulling your finger our and working hard. None of them involve failing to carry out your professional duties in my opinion.
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You know what? I with KJ on this one. Maybe it's just because of the season of life I am in. There is a certain time as a professional you have to do what you have to do. In this world not everyone is afforded the privilege of the back room, drinks and a smile to sort things out. Even though he may have flaws as a player, he show's he's man. He made a decision and did it big!! Wrong, right or indifferent he had the courage to stand up for himself. You think he didn't consider the backlash? Courageous Kenwyne. My Captain :beermug:
EDIT: Prophecy: KJ game will rise from here on..watch and see.
You take de words out of my mouth. This man toting bench since at stoke...I glad he stand up for himself....crouch eh no baller infront of kj...tbh.....hmph. men might call me ignorant for this one...but I really feel crouch is geh pick over kj bcuz he is ah English man...kj making them wanna let him go...whoch is smart. ..ciz obiviously hughes didn't hv intentions of doing so...
I been saying that from day one but men on here tell me I does act like I in love wit de man to gently paraphrase. When you compare them from a statistical standpoint they are right about even and actually based on starts and overall production KJ has the edge. But to hear some men on here tell it Crouchie is ah baller compare to we player with the "first touch of ah raperman" as dey does say.
Who vex loss buh I backin my player. Is not like de man play shit in the little time he had on the field and Crouch eh lightin up de net so wha de f**k?! Steups KJ do yuh ting bredda. I not puttin ntten past deze clubs and managers when they ready to tarninsh a player.
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You know what? I with KJ on this one. Maybe it's just because of the season of life I am in. There is a certain time as a professional you have to do what you have to do. In this world not everyone is afforded the privilege of the back room, drinks and a smile to sort things out. Even though he may have flaws as a player, he show's he's man. He made a decision and did it big!! Wrong, right or indifferent he had the courage to stand up for himself. You think he didn't consider the backlash? Courageous Kenwyne. My Captain :beermug:
EDIT: Prophecy: KJ game will rise from here on..watch and see.
Imagine if you had a problem with your boss, and decided to text him saying "don't feel like coming into work today". Grounds for formal warning at the least and quite rightly so - if you have a problem with the boss try to resolve it, if the problem is about professional conduct then complain higher up the line, or just resign with dignity.
Just that dey... make me wanna hit you some serious tap. You come off elitist and insensitive dey. I understand your sentiment, which needless to say is "establishment talk." Establishment is good and should be respected but many many times establishment fails to value and reward the efforts of the human spirit because establishment is to busy rewarding establishment. :) If a man can't be fed up of being fed up niggas will still be in chains. No freedom march, no unions... All contracts uphold Core Values eh...but not all values are written.
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Is not like de man play shit in the little time he had on the field
Nah, after 3 good games, he play real shit on his last start against Norwich. But it seem like he does only get one chance to play shit at Stoke since Crouch come. As if to say, 'Well, you get yuh chance, so is Crouchy from now on.' Crouch had nuff shit games since then, only to reappear at the next one.
Both of them have different strengths but they equally as effective for Stoke. Crouch's technical strengths are preferred, which is cool. But they basically keeping KJ as a safety net as opposed to a contributor. In case they lose Crouch in a plane crash or something, they have somebody on de side to come in.
Must be frustrating.
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You know what? I with KJ on this one. Maybe it's just because of the season of life I am in. There is a certain time as a professional you have to do what you have to do. In this world not everyone is afforded the privilege of the back room, drinks and a smile to sort things out. Even though he may have flaws as a player, he show's he's man. He made a decision and did it big!! Wrong, right or indifferent he had the courage to stand up for himself. You think he didn't consider the backlash? Courageous Kenwyne. My Captain :beermug:
EDIT: Prophecy: KJ game will rise from here on..watch and see.
Imagine if you had a problem with your boss, and decided to text him saying "don't feel like coming into work today". Grounds for formal warning at the least and quite rightly so - if you have a problem with the boss try to resolve it, if the problem is about professional conduct then complain higher up the line, or just resign with dignity.
Just that dey... make me wanna hit you some serious tap. You come off elitist and insensitive dey. I understand your sentiment, which needless to say is "establishment talk." Establishment is good and should be respected but many many times establishment fails to value and reward the efforts of the human spirit because establishment is to busy rewarding establishment. :) If a man can't be fed up of being fed up niggas will still be in chains. No freedom march, no unions... All contracts uphold Core Values eh...but not all values are written.
Oh lord I've done a bad job of representing myself - I'm firmly left wing so your words hurt me :p . I'm not trying to argue from an establishment view point, far from it. I'm trying to argue from a trust and commitment perspective.
Contracts are legal documents sure, but I don't consider the value of that compared to that of your word and trust. Effectively, Jones made a commitment to his manager, to the fans, to the staff and to himself to honour his contract, to do his best and to carry out his duties, and in return received obscene levels of compensation (£40k a week, equivalent to the wage of 160 Trinidadians at TT$10,000 a month). The man isn't being forced into labour, and I'm quite offended by your comparison to slavery given the sheer scale of benefits this person receives, ignoring the prestige and other benefits of the position. Comparing his position to that of individuals forced to work to death on plantations thousands of miles away from their home is ill-advised at best. Slaves can't hand in transfer requests, for example.
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Dahis a lot of internal pressure to be dealing wid. It easy to siddung here and call shots fuh him, and then critique his form ... de reality iz he's the one at de crease. Hughes bowl him short ... no surprise he respond. Man is man.
That frigging Crouch continues to be a Trini nemesis.
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You know what? I with KJ on this one. Maybe it's just because of the season of life I am in. There is a certain time as a professional you have to do what you have to do. In this world not everyone is afforded the privilege of the back room, drinks and a smile to sort things out. Even though he may have flaws as a player, he show's he's man. He made a decision and did it big!! Wrong, right or indifferent he had the courage to stand up for himself. You think he didn't consider the backlash? Courageous Kenwyne. My Captain :beermug:
EDIT: Prophecy: KJ game will rise from here on..watch and see.
Imagine if you had a problem with your boss, and decided to text him saying "don't feel like coming into work today". Grounds for formal warning at the least and quite rightly so - if you have a problem with the boss try to resolve it, if the problem is about professional conduct then complain higher up the line, or just resign with dignity.
Just that dey... make me wanna hit you some serious tap. You come off elitist and insensitive dey. I understand your sentiment, which needless to say is "establishment talk." Establishment is good and should be respected but many many times establishment fails to value and reward the efforts of the human spirit because establishment is to busy rewarding establishment. :) If a man can't be fed up of being fed up niggas will still be in chains. No freedom march, no unions... All contracts uphold Core Values eh...but not all values are written.
Oh lord I've done a bad job of representing myself - I'm firmly left wing so your words hurt me :p . I'm not trying to argue from an establishment view point, far from it. I'm trying to argue from a trust and commitment perspective.
Contracts are legal documents sure, but I don't consider the value of that compared to that of your word and trust. Effectively, Jones made a commitment to his manager, to the fans, to the staff and to himself to honour his contract, to do his best and to carry out his duties, and in return received obscene levels of compensation (£40k a week, equivalent to the wage of 160 Trinidadians at TT$10,000 a month). The man isn't being forced into labour, and I'm quite offended by your comparison to slavery given the sheer scale of benefits this person receives, ignoring the prestige and other benefits of the position. Comparing his position to that of individuals forced to work to death on plantations thousands of miles away from their home is ill-advised at best. Slaves can't hand in transfer requests, for example.
You rell convolute de man message dey dan lol. If no one ever got fed up we would never be free black men in places like England and America today so sometimes yuh ha to get fed up and make a move despite the consequences. As for your outlook I cah agree at all. I doubt KJ tex an say f**k allyuh I stayin home tomorrow. He may or may not have concocted a story as a reason why he cannot be present but unless they can prove that it was bogus that 2 weeks wages is very harsh. And for reference when me eh feel like goin to wuk I does text my boss and the secretarial staff that I will not be in so mark me out today. So doh feel regular Joe cah text dey boss and say dey eh comin to wuk caw dat is bogus!
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Not saying it right, but KJ ain't the first person to go on strike to force a move, especially to a bigger club. I said from the get go: Hughes doh fancy de man. No point in staying if you not wanted.
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Not saying it right, but KJ ain't the first person to go on strike to force a move, especially to a bigger club. I said from the get go: Hughes doh fancy de man. No point in staying if you not wanted.
Plain talk.
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No argument here, but still do your job while you're still being paid, and put in a formal transfer request.
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Kenwyne Cisse ;D
(http://media.zenfs.com/en-GB/blogs/early-doors/Kenwyne_joneshwoghwoghwogh.jpg)
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No argument here, but still do your job while you're still being paid, and put in a formal transfer request.
He may well have. A couple of 'in the know' Stokies said he did a while ago. Stoke offered him a new one-year deal, he rejected it and it was agreed he would be transferred. I take it with a grain of salt, because plenty people claim to know stuff. But there's likely more behind this than 'petulant player goes on strike'.
I'm sure both sides are being jackasses to some degree. And it's not farfetched for the media to say, 'A player went AWOL for a game? Didn't he go on strike at a former club for a move? Stop the presses!' and attach an enticing headline.
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KJ can't sit under a coconut tree in Stoke and drink Malibu.
Yuh know how lazy he is and he doh possess that western blue collar mentality like many of us here. ::)
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Kenwyne Cisse ;D
(http://media.zenfs.com/en-GB/blogs/early-doors/Kenwyne_joneshwoghwoghwogh.jpg)
:rotfl: I tell yuh the man ready. Fire in he belly now. GO KENWYNE!!!! Gey them good.
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:banginghead:
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He has now blown up any bridges leading to Stoke:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/stoke-city/10572746/Kenwyne-Jones-set-to-call-in-the-Professional-Footballers-Association-to-resolve-his-row-with-Stoke-City.html
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why play in the FA cup then ??? and become cup tied but refuse the prem match....it just feels weird all of it
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He has now blown up any bridges leading to Stoke:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/stoke-city/10572746/Kenwyne-Jones-set-to-call-in-the-Professional-Footballers-Association-to-resolve-his-row-with-Stoke-City.html
Why HE blow up bridges. What should he do, just sit there and let them just advantage him. The guy feels as though the punishment wasn't fair, so he went to the people that suppose to advise him. See what Hughes saying that he has never seen anything like this in his life. Because KJ suppose to smile and nod. If he had done something more rash, it would have been another 3rd world lazy mentality. But this is what he should do, right
(http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/028/f/2/please__sir__may_i_have_another__by_tooner96-d4nurb6.jpg)
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Why HE blow up bridges. What should he do, just sit there and let them just advantage him. The guy feels as though the punishment wasn't fair, so he went to the people that suppose to advise him. See what Hughes saying that he has never seen anything like this in his life. Because KJ suppose to smile and nod. If he had done something more rash, it would have been another 3rd world lazy mentality. But this is what he should do, right
"You know more than Stoke or you opt to believe poor honest KJ over trifling Stoke City? SMH" ::)
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Why HE blow up bridges. What should he do, just sit there and let them just advantage him. The guy feels as though the punishment wasn't fair, so he went to the people that suppose to advise him. See what Hughes saying that he has never seen anything like this in his life. Because KJ suppose to smile and nod. If he had done something more rash, it would have been another 3rd world lazy mentality. But this is what he should do, right
"You know more than Stoke or you opt to believe poor honest KJ over trifling Stoke City? SMH" ::)
I siding with KJ, but I know for you institution is divine. ;)
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It goooood...let them know you ain't no dupppie! Hughes never see ah dan b4 thaiz whahappen...
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Getting the PFA involved should have been the step before failing to turn up really. At least it's progressing towards a more professional resolution
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I siding with KJ, but I know for you institution is divine. ;)
Not really. True I happen to believe that if you sign a contract then you have to live up to the terms. Nowhere in any player's contract is "playing time" guaranteed. I think it's unprofessional to "go on strike" simply because you're not starting, or not playing enough, or don't like the manager, or some "bigger" team might be interested in you. I don't know whether his reasons for sitting out the match were legitimate or pretextual, but imagine, Liverpool... one of the bigger games on the calendar is coming to town to play, and the night before you text (calling would not have excused the absence, but is more professional) your manager to say you not showing up at the stadium tomorrow? Hard for me to support that kinda behavior.
I could see if it was level racism he putting up with in the stands, management and clubhouse, but for playing time?? This man forget how he was ketching he ass back in Claxton Bay or wherever he from or what? You know how many people would like to have the "problem" he having right now, making £40k a week? These fellas suffer from a lack of perspective. Try explaining to the trash hauler or school teacher in the stand what your grievance is when they paying damn near a quarter of their weekly salary to come support the same team that you refusing to pay for. As a fan I would never want a player like that on my team.
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He has now blown up any bridges leading to Stoke:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/stoke-city/10572746/Kenwyne-Jones-set-to-call-in-the-Professional-Footballers-Association-to-resolve-his-row-with-Stoke-City.html
Why HE blow up bridges. What should he do, just sit there and let them just advantage him. The guy feels as though the punishment wasn't fair, so he went to the people that suppose to advise him. See what Hughes saying that he has never seen anything like this in his life. Because KJ suppose to smile and nod. If he had done something more rash, it would have been another 3rd world lazy mentality. But this is what he should do, right
What should he do? Act like a professional. Granted, I don't know what is going on behind the scenes and (it could be probable) that he is contracted to play a certain number of games or a number of other reasons but he is looking bad in the court of public opinion and it could influence other teams viewing him..
Just a opinion..
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My question is WHO say he on strike? Kenwyne say he on strike? Stoke say he on strike? Or de papers say he on strike? There's obviously tension behind the scenes. Some kinda bull-headedness obviously take place before Liverpool. But who say he ON STRIKE? Why we just buy that just so like papers doh hype?
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My question is WHO say he on strike? Kenwyne say he on strike? Stoke say he on strike? Or de papers say he on strike? There's obviously tension behind the scenes. Some kinda bull-headedness obviously take place before Liverpool. But who say he ON STRIKE? Why we just buy that just so like papers doh hype?
Because is KJ and we know how he is. Now if he was from latin-america we could probably believe him a bit, but alas, he's from the land of oil and music.
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My question is WHO say he on strike? Kenwyne say he on strike? Stoke say he on strike? Or de papers say he on strike? There's obviously tension behind the scenes. Some kinda bull-headedness obviously take place before Liverpool. But who say he ON STRIKE? Why we just buy that just so like papers doh hype?
Call it whatever you want to call it... I deliberately put "strike" in quotes yet you still running with it. If the man refuse to turn up for work because he feels aggrieved what would you call it? Or are you saying a) He did not refuse to show up at the Brittannia; or b) He has no grievance that would make him not want to play?
Because is KJ and we know how he is. Now if he was from latin-america we could probably believe him a bit, but alas, he's from the land of oil and music.
Stop talking shit... when Tevez did it, it was called a strike. When Suarez threatened to do it this summer it was called and treated the same. Is either you love toting water for KJ, love playing the victim on his behalf or otherwise just love talking a setta shit.
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I will suppot KJ on any field of play he land on...but he wrong. ah ton a hard working fellas from TT hoping for a smidgint. a whiff of even a trial, at any club..and we captain going on with sending text to say he cyah make it..Regardless of the reason.. yuh doh text big man who paying yuh (white, Black, Trini, English or Timbuktunian), to even say, yuh have a death in the family, yuh pick up phone and call...If yuh car breakdown, they paying yuh enuff to buy one on the spot..if yuh was at a Machel concert, they paying yuh enuff to hire Machel for yuh own private party...Even if yuh wife take in...yuh pick up a phone..and they might send the team doctor and ambulance to assist, casue they want it resolved as soon as possible... Christiano & Messi and them cyah pull them stunt and get way...you is Kenwyne Jones, a good footballer, that is all...not even Dwight Yorke, a more accomplished player could get away..there is no damn excuse. Yuh think if they want to mess up he career for spite they won't do it...maybe he actually did all the personal discussions, and did the phone call..and asked for a day off, and Hughes say "Get yuh facking black arse in here"....then he shoulda get her ass in, and then take that to the PFA etc...maybe all that going on and we doh know.
But Man, Good luck with any doing we a favour trials for we again. Only Lawrence now could hopefully try to crack that reputation door for our youths lilbit...We players bette start learning Hindi, and Thai. Cause MLS done wasn't giving we nothing either.
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My question is WHO say he on strike? Kenwyne say he on strike? Stoke say he on strike? Or de papers say he on strike? There's obviously tension behind the scenes. Some kinda bull-headedness obviously take place before Liverpool. But who say he ON STRIKE? Why we just buy that just so like papers doh hype?
Call it whatever you want to call it... I deliberately put "strike" in quotes yet you still running with it. If the man refuse to turn up for work because he feels aggrieved what would you call it? Or are you saying a) He did not refuse to show up at the Brittannia; or b) He has no grievance that would make him not want to play?
The only fact we know if that he didn't turn up for work and his boss vex. We doh know if is grievance or sleep or a sidepiece or a miscommunication or his son belly hurting. And, of course, his personal frustration or grievance would add some 'doh care' to the situation. 'Allyuh eh playing me anyway. Laters for dat. I going doctor with mih boy.' But we really have no idea if his being AWOL was BECAUSE of his grievance. 'Allyuh eh playing me anyway. Laters for dat. I on strike.'
Me eh picking up for the man. If he dumb enough to go on strike twice and mash up his reputation, let him take what come with it. But the man saying he was never on strike. So either he too spineless to back up his actions or the truth is something more complex than what a papers say.
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Is a text message the day before match day a suitable mode of communication to your manager indicating you have a personal emergency and therefore be unable to turn up for duty?
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I will suppot KJ on any field of play he land on...but he wrong. ah ton a hard working fellas from TT hoping for a smidgint. a whiff of even a trial, at any club..and we captain going on with sending text to say he cyah make it..Regardless of the reason.. yuh doh text big man who paying yuh (white, Black, Trini, English or Timbuktunian), to even say, yuh have a death in the family, yuh pick up phone and call...If yuh car breakdown, they paying yuh enuff to buy one on the spot..
So essentially yuh makin out de newspaper report to be GOSPEL. An English tabloid to boot.
Now dey might be right. But KJ done say is dis whole ting is a seta lies. And what if it didn't go like de newspaper print? What den?
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Oh and btw... Kenwyne never deny that he currently on strike at Stoke eh :afro:
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I will suppot KJ on any field of play he land on...but he wrong. ah ton a hard working fellas from TT hoping for a smidgint. a whiff of even a trial, at any club..and we captain going on with sending text to say he cyah make it..Regardless of the reason.. yuh doh text big man who paying yuh (white, Black, Trini, English or Timbuktunian), to even say, yuh have a death in the family, yuh pick up phone and call...If yuh car breakdown, they paying yuh enuff to buy one on the spot..
So essentially yuh makin out de newspaper report to be GOSPEL. An English tabloid to boot.
Now dey might be right. But KJ done say is dis whole ting is a seta lies. And what if it didn't go like de newspaper print? What den?
Question is..where the lies start and stop..maybe Stoke didn't fine him no 2 weeks wages (papers)..maybe he made a call (right method of communication), and manager agree it was ok (guess), cause he didn't plan to play him(hypothetical), but when they lorse(fact), and papers say whey Jones(fact), he throw Jones under the bus off the record(papers)...maybe Jones say he have an issue and can't make, Manager say , u is a big man, do what yuh want..then turn round and fine him..or papers wrong, didn't fine him..maybe Jones not seeking PFA help for club or seeking PFA help to sue papers for printing stuff that didn't happen...
what we do know: He had work, he wasn't there.. Things we don't know for sure in papers(may not be fans business): Manager say he was unavailable; KJ Issue/health/reason ; Method of communication; Fine if any.
Things that are normal. Worker have issue, a good company will get involved to help, When he was going thru setta personal issues in the earlies..wasn't playing up to par, fans was getting disgruntled..Pulis/club make excuse and stand by him..constantly, in the same lying papers, none a dem coulda find nothing juicy..With this one they biting..plenty & hard
Look, it could all be a misunderstanding, Jones could run out against Palace this weekend, an I wish he score 3. I will be happy as if is meh son get the write up. But I feel some of the papers not completely and totally off base and that eh go happen...and I honestly worried and concerned for the guy career(he good for a next 8 million pounds), an if he will ever get an opportunity to get a start for any Premier side again....and I have no reason to care which team actually win anymore , so it little personal to me to. If my son wrong, I not saying punish him, but do what it takes to teach him what is right, I will appreciate it...but the way things sounding, if things mostly true, they might want to punish him, and yes, it will hurt me.
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He will not be involved in the Crystal Palace game:
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/stoke-city/9118922/hughes-disappointed-with-jones-attitude
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People will take sides defend their own etc., but I find this strange particularly the timing and whats gone on before. I am not arsed personally but there is more to this than meets the eye. Taking out the emotions we know a few things about players contracts that are basically universal in the prem.
If the player puts in a transfer request he loses his signing on fee and/or loyalty bonus, players tend to leave putting a transfer request to the last resort and use papers / agents to get a move, clubs also do this that want to buy or sell a particular player. He really needed to move out of Stoke a while ago, but he sits and does nothing.
His contract is up in the summer, he is free to talk to foreign clubs after January and free at the end of the summer. At this stage if the player is wanted by clubs it usually means the player gets a bigger signing on fee and higher wages due to the fact no transfer fee has to be paid. So why do something like this with so short a time to go, normally if a player has a serious situation that needs to be resolved and he isn't able to attend the club will let it slide, the fact he has been fined means the club doesn't believe his reason (if any) was serious enough for non attendance. Thats just the way it is, if he believes it was then he can go through PFA route and wait and see.
January is a strange time not many players kicking about and a few desperate clubs, maybe he has a chance of a longer contract somewhere and is not that confident a better / similar offer will come along in the summer when clubs already know their fate and have more choice and time. Carlton Cole didn't get taken up in the summer and ended back at West Ham.
AS I said at the beginning the timing is strange given his situation and also some doubt his application, there wasn't a queue of clubs wanting to sign him from Sunderland so given he is coming up as a free this episode wouldn't of done him a lot of good. You would of thought he would of just sat it out for 6 months its not as if anything has really changed for him with regard playing time at Stoke over the past year or so. Please feel free to berate me but there is more to this than what is known at the moment and it will all come out in the wash.
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People will take sides defend their own etc., but I find this strange particularly the timing and whats gone on before. I am not arsed personally but there is more to this than meets the eye. Taking out the emotions we know a few things about players contracts that are basically universal in the prem.
If the player puts in a transfer request he loses his signing on fee and/or loyalty bonus, players tend to leave putting a transfer request to the last resort and use papers / agents to get a move, clubs also do this that want to buy or sell a particular player. He really needed to move out of Stoke a while ago, but he sits and does nothing.
His contract is up in the summer, he is free to talk to foreign clubs after January and free at the end of the summer. At this stage if the player is wanted by clubs it usually means the player gets a bigger signing on fee and higher wages due to the fact no transfer fee has to be paid. So why do something like this with so short a time to go, normally if a player has a serious situation that needs to be resolved and he isn't able to attend the club will let it slide, the fact he has been fined means the club doesn't believe his reason (if any) was serious enough for non attendance. Thats just the way it is, if he believes it was then he can go through PFA route and wait and see.
January is a strange time not many players kicking about and a few desperate clubs, maybe he has a chance of a longer contract somewhere and is not that confident a better / similar offer will come along in the summer when clubs already know their fate and have more choice and time. Carlton Cole didn't get taken up in the summer and ended back at West Ham.
AS I said at the beginning the timing is strange given his situation and also some doubt his application, there wasn't a queue of clubs wanting to sign him from Sunderland so given he is coming up as a free this episode wouldn't of done him a lot of good. You would of thought he would of just sat it out for 6 months its not as if anything has really changed for him with regard playing time at Stoke over the past year or so. Please feel free to berate me but there is more to this than what is known at the moment and it will all come out in the wash.
Like Bakes, you are leaning to the club side. You are right there is more to come and hopefully everyone get what really happen. I think the overwhelming response was KJ wrong. Just not everyone believe it went down how the club said it did.
Say what, players have done worst and was forgiven.
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I think the overwhelming response was KJ wrong. Just not everyone believe it went down how the club said it did.
Exactly. I'm sure KJ being an unprofessional kakahole in some way or another. I just never believe one side wholesale when two sides are having a dispute. 9 times out of the 10, both sides is some biased nonsense and the truth is in the middle somewhere. 'Petulant player goes on strike to bewilderment of manager.' is most likely some bullshit.
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Like Bakes, you are leaning to the club side. You are right there is more to come and hopefully everyone get what really happen. I think the overwhelming response was KJ wrong. Just not everyone believe it went down how the club said it did.
Say what, players have done worst and was forgiven.
I think you are one of the only ones here looking at this as "choosing sides," this isn't about leaning in favor of the club, it's about picking sense from nonsense and going where logic and reason dictates. Unlike you I feel no particular loyalty to Kenwyne, and as much as I admire Hughes, I can't stand Stoke as a club. So I think I'm looking at this perhaps more objectively than most. At the end of the day I doubt Stoke would be taking this much of a hardline approach if it were a true family emergency. The last minute contact, and the medium could not have gone down well either, and for KJ's sake I fear he's done himself more harm than good. Others say no, but I'm seeing far too many similarities between this and what went down at Southampton 7 years ago.
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Im with Blakes - if there was a genuine emergency then I'm sure the allowance would be made - you'd have to assume they're lacking basic human decency to argue that and I haven't seen any evidence that the Stoke management lack that.
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Hughes disappointed with Kenwyne's attitude.
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/9118922/hughes-disappointed-with-jones-attitude
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Im with Blakes - if there was a genuine emergency then I'm sure the allowance would be made - you'd have to assume they're lacking basic human decency to argue that and I haven't seen any evidence that the Stoke management lack that.
Wasn't it the same Stoke City management that sent special kits to Kenwyne's alma mater, St. Anthony's? Didn't they also send some coaches and host some sort of clinic for local youth footballers too (though I could be wrong on that)? Kenwyne memory short... and self-serving.
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Jokes section...nah
Is Tallest fault..tallest tell the man, he padna Roberto will take him tomorrow..capitan to capitan..well some babash pass, and he dun know he woulda fail the breathlizer, serious lash men like Yorkie & Latas didn't get thru..so he take in front and say, "Boss, I eat ah bad Roti".
Hughes figuring he up with the times and the young ppl..an when they say bad..it really mean good..so he figure, is all right, even if he doh know what a Row boat have to do with anything, musbe new sketel slang...next day, no KJ.
Now he shame to say, he old like ass, and get the message wrong. KJ, take the response text to PFA. Hughes crying disappointment.
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People will take sides defend their own etc., but I find this strange particularly the timing and whats gone on before. I am not arsed personally but there is more to this than meets the eye. Taking out the emotions we know a few things about players contracts that are basically universal in the prem.
If the player puts in a transfer request he loses his signing on fee and/or loyalty bonus, players tend to leave putting a transfer request to the last resort and use papers / agents to get a move, clubs also do this that want to buy or sell a particular player. He really needed to move out of Stoke a while ago, but he sits and does nothing.
His contract is up in the summer, he is free to talk to foreign clubs after January and free at the end of the summer. At this stage if the player is wanted by clubs it usually means the player gets a bigger signing on fee and higher wages due to the fact no transfer fee has to be paid. So why do something like this with so short a time to go, normally if a player has a serious situation that needs to be resolved and he isn't able to attend the club will let it slide, the fact he has been fined means the club doesn't believe his reason (if any) was serious enough for non attendance. Thats just the way it is, if he believes it was then he can go through PFA route and wait and see.
January is a strange time not many players kicking about and a few desperate clubs, maybe he has a chance of a longer contract somewhere and is not that confident a better / similar offer will come along in the summer when clubs already know their fate and have more choice and time. Carlton Cole didn't get taken up in the summer and ended back at West Ham.
AS I said at the beginning the timing is strange given his situation and also some doubt his application, there wasn't a queue of clubs wanting to sign him from Sunderland so given he is coming up as a free this episode wouldn't of done him a lot of good. You would of thought he would of just sat it out for 6 months its not as if anything has really changed for him with regard playing time at Stoke over the past year or so. Please feel free to berate me but there is more to this than what is known at the moment and it will all come out in the wash.
Like Bakes, you are leaning to the club side. You are right there is more to come and hopefully everyone get what really happen. I think the overwhelming response was KJ wrong. Just not everyone believe it went down how the club said it did.
Say what, players have done worst and was forgiven.
I don't know how stating the obvious is siding with the club, he has been fined it is therefore reasonable to assume whatever the excuse wasn't acceptable to the club. I just don't believe any club would put itself in this position if the situation warranted absence, it would be bad PR and likely to lose the case against the PFA and you would hope any club would have the common decency to allow a player not to turn up if the situation needed it.
You are right players have done a lot worse and got away with it and the clubs have brought this on themselves. The list is fairly lengthy, striking, not turning up, drink/drugs, court cases and then look at the likes of Tevez and Suarez. The clubs and fans tend to have the moral compass of a slug when it comes to them needing those players and hence defend / ignore and forgive. Kenwyne isn't in the situation where he is a vital piece of the team at Stoke.
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Text? What text? Kenwyne Jones, the truth
The Secret Footballer
You know, it’s funny what people will swallow. Not in the David Blaine sense but the headlines and the bullshit that fly about in this game of ours from time to time.
Pulling the wool over people’s eyes, however, is not just the preserve of Blaine and his magic circle chums. It happens in every business and football is no different.
This week, I read the reports that suggested Kenwyne Jones had sent a text message to his club informing them that he was not available for selection for Stoke City’s match against Liverpool.
Naturally, the media and the wider football community went into meltdown; even our own Secret Journalist jumped on the bandwagon: http://ow.ly/sI5h0.
Every article I read had one thing in common – none of them had a single quote from Jones. I smelt a rat but, at the time, I didn’t know the real facts. But now I do.
I wasn’t the only player who smelt a rat, either. A lot of Premier League players did, including the half dozen or so who I’ve spoken to since and who were all in agreement about one thing.
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Hmm... Come on Bakes what sh!tty rebuttal you have now?
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Hmm... Come on Bakes what sh!tty rebuttal you have now?
Given how far yuh head is up Kenwyne ass... you shouldn't need my help to find a "sh!tty rebuttal".
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Food for thought....but this secret footballer also states no facts, just supposition. If I wanted to sell a player who I didn't want...that guy would be the nicest, most professional guy in the game, but the coach prefers player b in his line up. No need for Dan Brown style conspiracies. They just devalue the player and put off other clubs.
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Hmm... Come on Bakes what sh!tty rebuttal you have now?
Given how far yuh head is up Kenwyne ass... you shouldn't need my help to find a "sh!tty rebuttal".
Better than Stoke f00cking my mind.
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Food for thought....but this secret footballer also states no facts, just supposition. If I wanted to sell a player who I didn't want...that guy would be the nicest, most professional guy in the game, but the coach prefers player b in his line up. No need for Dan Brown style conspiracies. They just devalue the player and put off other clubs.
The article is nonsense... he states repeatedly that Kenwyne doesn't want to leave Stoke, when it's clear as day that Kenwyne would welcome the opportunity to move to Everton. Not only that, but why wasn't Kenwyne at the stadium? Did Stoke bar him from coming? Some people just lack the ability to think for themselves.
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Remember he from the land of oil and music (and now exporting coke in juice can). The article states no facts, but he raise a valid point, lets see the text message, but hey they don't have to prove anything.........right. ::)
How is it clear as day that KJ wants to move? Where did that come from? I know a submitted transfer request. lol
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Food for thought....but this secret footballer also states no facts, just supposition. If I wanted to sell a player who I didn't want...that guy would be the nicest, most professional guy in the game, but the coach prefers player b in his line up. No need for Dan Brown style conspiracies. They just devalue the player and put off other clubs.
The article is nonsense... he states repeatedly that Kenwyne doesn't want to leave Stoke, when it's clear as day that Kenwyne would welcome the opportunity to move to Everton. Not only that, but why wasn't Kenwyne at the stadium? Did Stoke bar him from coming? Some people just lack the ability to think for themselves.
1. Did Kenwyne tell you he wants to leave stoke at this time? What you've failed to state is the point the author was making in reference to salary considerations. Kenwyne has a sweet deal for the next 6 months or so and wouldn't want to mess with that.
2. You don't know what kind of conversations/manipulation took place between stoke and KJ before the game. As the reference to the keeper in the article shows the club could act one way and spin it for the media and fans.
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The truth is out there somewhere
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Text? What text? Kenwyne Jones, the truth
The Secret Footballer
You know, it’s funny what people will swallow. Not in the David Blaine sense but the headlines and the bullshit that fly about in this game of ours from time to time.
Pulling the wool over people’s eyes, however, is not just the preserve of Blaine and his magic circle chums. It happens in every business and football is no different.
This week, I read the reports that suggested Kenwyne Jones had sent a text message to his club informing them that he was not available for selection for Stoke City’s match against Liverpool.
Naturally, the media and the wider football community went into meltdown; even our own Secret Journalist jumped on the bandwagon: http://ow.ly/sI5h0.
Every article I read had one thing in common – none of them had a single quote from Jones. I smelt a rat but, at the time, I didn’t know the real facts. But now I do.
I wasn’t the only player who smelt a rat, either. A lot of Premier League players did, including the half dozen or so who I’ve spoken to since and who were all in agreement about one thing.
Read More... (http://socawarriors.net/foreign-based/foreign-based-news/foreign-based-news/13536-text-what-text-kenwyne-jones-the-truth.html)
good point no one has seen the actual text
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If Kenwyne didn't send a text why doesn't he just deny it? Straight forward really. I don't think Hughes is going to show everybody the message on his phone in the press conference.
Remember he from the land of oil and music (and now exporting coke in juice can). The article states no facts, but he raise a valid point, lets see the text message, but hey they don't have to prove anything.........right. ::)
How is it clear as day that KJ wants to move? Where did that come from? I know a submitted transfer request. lol
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not sure the secret footballer has added much to the discussion - just more speculation on the topic. Something has gone awry at Stoke tho
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Food for thought....but this secret footballer also states no facts, just supposition. If I wanted to sell a player who I didn't want...that guy would be the nicest, most professional guy in the game, but the coach prefers player b in his line up. No need for Dan Brown style conspiracies. They just devalue the player and put off other clubs.
The article is nonsense... he states repeatedly that Kenwyne doesn't want to leave Stoke, when it's clear as day that Kenwyne would welcome the opportunity to move to Everton. Not only that, but why wasn't Kenwyne at the stadium? Did Stoke bar him from coming? Some people just lack the ability to think for themselves.
1. Did Kenwyne tell you he wants to leave stoke at this time? What you've failed to state is the point the author was making in reference to salary considerations. Kenwyne has a sweet deal for the next 6 months or so and wouldn't want to mess with that.
2. You don't know what kind of conversations/manipulation took place between stoke and KJ before the game. As the reference to the keeper in the article shows the club could act one way and spin it for the media and fans.
Just playing devils advocate here, but I could fill this thread with stories of players who have been "screwed by their club" and have been guilty as sin. And another thread of stories of players who were innocent and got screwed.
I even have an instance where a player was totally guilty and I helped him screw the club because they didn't follow proper procedure. (So I kinda know how lawyers feel when they get a guilty client off on a technicality).
It is entirely possible that we will never know the truth. Did you know that every prison in the world is full of innocent people (according to the inmates!), and every sacked player was unfairly treated?
KJ is clearly not happy and perhaps Hughes or one of his staff said something that sent KJ over the edge. Whether or not KJ sent a text is immaterial. Fact is, he didn't attend the pre game meal, which is compulsory. From there, they've got you on the back foot.
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not sure the secret footballer has added much to the discussion - just more speculation on the topic. Something has gone awry at Stoke tho
That's more than speculation bro. KJ never send no txt the club lie and setting up the man. Why you don't just come out and say YOU was quick to blast KJ without all the info? You and your peeps are the only ones speculating here like yall don't know what does go on in real life. scheeupps. NEWFLASH!!! God don't sleep. The mark going to buss on Stoke over this and KJ moving on with his head held high.
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not sure the secret footballer has added much to the discussion - just more speculation on the topic. Something has gone awry at Stoke tho
That's more than speculation bro. KJ never send no txt the club lie and setting up the man. Why you don't just come out and say YOU was quick to blast KJ without all the info? You and your peeps are the only ones speculating here like yall don't know what does go on in real life. scheeupps. NEWFLASH!!! God don't sleep. The mark going to buss on Stoke over this and KJ moving on with his head held high.
We only have this guy's word for it, but he offers no proof and doesn't back up his claim. You can't ever act on all info when it comes to this hearsay stuff, but the facts as I know them haven't changed - KJ was fined for not fulfilling his professional obligations and I don't disagree with that.
When the facts as we know them change, so will my opinion :)
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not sure the secret footballer has added much to the discussion - just more speculation on the topic. Something has gone awry at Stoke tho
That's more than speculation bro. KJ never send no txt the club lie and setting up the man. Why you don't just come out and say YOU was quick to blast KJ without all the info? You and your peeps are the only ones speculating here like yall don't know what does go on in real life. scheeupps. NEWFLASH!!! God don't sleep. The mark going to buss on Stoke over this and KJ moving on with his head held high.
We only have this guy's word for it, but he offers no proof and doesn't back up his claim. You can't ever act on all info when it comes to this hearsay stuff, but the facts as I know them haven't changed - KJ was fined for not fulfilling his professional obligations and I don't disagree with that.
When the facts as we know them change, so will my opinion :)
What proof do you have from the club?
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not sure the secret footballer has added much to the discussion - just more speculation on the topic. Something has gone awry at Stoke tho
That's more than speculation bro. KJ never send no txt the club lie and setting up the man. Why you don't just come out and say YOU was quick to blast KJ without all the info? You and your peeps are the only ones speculating here like yall don't know what does go on in real life. scheeupps. NEWFLASH!!! God don't sleep. The mark going to buss on Stoke over this and KJ moving on with his head held high.
We only have this guy's word for it, but he offers no proof and doesn't back up his claim. You can't ever act on all info when it comes to this hearsay stuff, but the facts as I know them haven't changed - KJ was fined for not fulfilling his professional obligations and I don't disagree with that.
When the facts as we know them change, so will my opinion :)
What proof do you have from the club?
I know the following;
Kenwyne Jones was fined two weeks wages for failing to turn up to the Liverpool game
Kenwyne Jones has 6 months left on his contract
His contract stipulates that he should attend matches when required
Everton are reportedly interested in signing Kenwyne Jones
Kenwyne Jones has not made a formal statement about the affair to the media
Kenwyne Jones has claimed on Twitter "Don't believe everything you read in the papers", followed by "Hopefully they will speak the truth if not in time I will.". Further, he claimed that it had nothing to do with tactics, but about the club making itself look good.
There's no news either way on Kenwyne Jones' transfer status (listed or not)
Kenwyne Jones had played in the FA cup match immediately before this news story
All confirmation of this has come from an interview with Mark Hughes
The following is speculated (not by me, but these are theories);
Kenwyne Jones informed the club of his non-arrival via text
Kenwyne Jones is maneuvering for a transfer to Everton
He will move when a replacement is found for him
Mark Hughes and Stoke City are spinning the story to make Jones look bad
Given the sparse facts, I conclude that all we know for certain at this stage is that he has been fined a hefty sum of money for not turning up to the Liverpool game, which he was required to do under the terms of his contract. From this, I believe he has acted in an unprofessional manner, a professional manner demanding a fulfilment of your obligations under the terms of your contract.
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not sure the secret footballer has added much to the discussion - just more speculation on the topic. Something has gone awry at Stoke tho
That's more than speculation bro. KJ never send no txt the club lie and setting up the man. Why you don't just come out and say YOU was quick to blast KJ without all the info? You and your peeps are the only ones speculating here like yall don't know what does go on in real life. scheeupps. NEWFLASH!!! God don't sleep. The mark going to buss on Stoke over this and KJ moving on with his head held high.
We only have this guy's word for it, but he offers no proof and doesn't back up his claim. You can't ever act on all info when it comes to this hearsay stuff, but the facts as I know them haven't changed - KJ was fined for not fulfilling his professional obligations and I don't disagree with that.
When the facts as we know them change, so will my opinion :)
What proof do you have from the club?
I know the following;
Kenwyne Jones was fined two weeks wages for failing to turn up to the Liverpool game
Kenwyne Jones has 6 months left on his contract
His contract stipulates that he should attend matches when required
Everton are reportedly interested in signing Kenwyne Jones
Kenwyne Jones has not made a formal statement about the affair to the media
Kenwyne Jones has claimed on Twitter "Don't believe everything you read in the papers", followed by "Hopefully they will speak the truth if not in time I will.". Further, he claimed that it had nothing to do with tactics, but about the club making itself look good.
There's no news either way on Kenwyne Jones' transfer status (listed or not)
Kenwyne Jones had played in the FA cup match immediately before this news story
All confirmation of this has come from an interview with Mark Hughes
The following is speculated (not by me, but these are theories);
Kenwyne Jones informed the club of his non-arrival via text
Kenwyne Jones is maneuvering for a transfer to Everton
He will move when a replacement is found for him
Mark Hughes and Stoke City are spinning the story to make Jones look bad
Given the sparse facts, I conclude that all we know for certain at this stage is that he has been fined a hefty sum of money for not turning up to the Liverpool game, which he was required to do under the terms of his contract. From this, I believe he has acted in an unprofessional manner, a professional manner demanding a fulfilment of your obligations under the terms of your contract.
Thats logic but the only problem is people like to point to things that support their viewpoint, like The Secret Footballer and all that is a journalist, no different or more believable than any other journalist.
The vast majority of football fans are fed up of mercenary footballers acting like spoiled brats, unless of course its for their team in which case they will defend the undefendable. So most neutrals will readily believe the clubs statement.
All Kenwyne or his agent have to do is come out and deny the story about the text, this will then put the club on the back foot and will have to produce proof. If this is true that the club has lied they can't do anything to Kenwyne the PFA will see to that, he will be no worse off because he will still have and be paid for the rest of his contract and he will look better to the neutrals and potential clubs. So you have to ask yourself why he hasn't denied it, he has absolutely nothing to lose and a lot to gain by doing so.
Everton by the way are rumoured to by taking Lucina Traore on loan from Monaco, but its not like agents to put stories around to generate interest in players this time of year though is it, there might be somebody interested in Kenwyne but not necessarily Everton.
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not sure the secret footballer has added much to the discussion - just more speculation on the topic. Something has gone awry at Stoke tho
That's more than speculation bro. KJ never send no txt the club lie and setting up the man. Why you don't just come out and say YOU was quick to blast KJ without all the info? You and your peeps are the only ones speculating here like yall don't know what does go on in real life. scheeupps. NEWFLASH!!! God don't sleep. The mark going to buss on Stoke over this and KJ moving on with his head held high.
We only have this guy's word for it, but he offers no proof and doesn't back up his claim. You can't ever act on all info when it comes to this hearsay stuff, but the facts as I know them haven't changed - KJ was fined for not fulfilling his professional obligations and I don't disagree with that.
When the facts as we know them change, so will my opinion :)
What proof do you have from the club?
I know the following;
Kenwyne Jones was fined two weeks wages for failing to turn up to the Liverpool game
Kenwyne Jones has 6 months left on his contract
His contract stipulates that he should attend matches when required
Everton are reportedly interested in signing Kenwyne Jones
Kenwyne Jones has not made a formal statement about the affair to the media
Kenwyne Jones has claimed on Twitter "Don't believe everything you read in the papers", followed by "Hopefully they will speak the truth if not in time I will.". Further, he claimed that it had nothing to do with tactics, but about the club making itself look good.
There's no news either way on Kenwyne Jones' transfer status (listed or not)
Kenwyne Jones had played in the FA cup match immediately before this news story
All confirmation of this has come from an interview with Mark Hughes
The following is speculated (not by me, but these are theories);
Kenwyne Jones informed the club of his non-arrival via text
Kenwyne Jones is maneuvering for a transfer to Everton
He will move when a replacement is found for him
Mark Hughes and Stoke City are spinning the story to make Jones look bad
Given the sparse facts, I conclude that all we know for certain at this stage is that he has been fined a hefty sum of money for not turning up to the Liverpool game, which he was required to do under the terms of his contract. From this, I believe he has acted in an unprofessional manner, a professional manner demanding a fulfilment of your obligations under the terms of your contract.
Thats logic but the only problem is people like to point to things that support their viewpoint, like The Secret Footballer and all that is a journalist, no different or more believable than any other journalist.
The vast majority of football fans are fed up of mercenary footballers acting like spoiled brats, unless of course its for their team in which case they will defend the undefendable. So most neutrals will readily believe the clubs statement.
All Kenwyne or his agent have to do is come out and deny the story about the text, this will then put the club on the back foot and will have to produce proof. If this is true that the club has lied they can't do anything to Kenwyne the PFA will see to that, he will be no worse off because he will still have and be paid for the rest of his contract and he will look better to the neutrals and potential clubs. So you have to ask yourself why he hasn't denied it, he has absolutely nothing to lose and a lot to gain by doing so.
Everton by the way are rumoured to by taking Lucina Traore on loan from Monaco, but its not like agents to put stories around to generate interest in players this time of year though is it, there might be somebody interested in Kenwyne but not necessarily Everton.
He's currently doing a medical at Everton on a 6 month loan so it looks like if they're interested in Jones they'll wait till the summer to get him for free
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not sure the secret footballer has added much to the discussion - just more speculation on the topic. Something has gone awry at Stoke tho
That's more than speculation bro. KJ never send no txt the club lie and setting up the man. Why you don't just come out and say YOU was quick to blast KJ without all the info? You and your peeps are the only ones speculating here like yall don't know what does go on in real life. scheeupps. NEWFLASH!!! God don't sleep. The mark going to buss on Stoke over this and KJ moving on with his head held high.
We only have this guy's word for it, but he offers no proof and doesn't back up his claim. You can't ever act on all info when it comes to this hearsay stuff, but the facts as I know them haven't changed - KJ was fined for not fulfilling his professional obligations and I don't disagree with that.
When the facts as we know them change, so will my opinion :)
What proof do you have from the club?
I know the following;
Kenwyne Jones was fined two weeks wages for failing to turn up to the Liverpool game
Kenwyne Jones has 6 months left on his contract
His contract stipulates that he should attend matches when required
Everton are reportedly interested in signing Kenwyne Jones
Kenwyne Jones has not made a formal statement about the affair to the media
Kenwyne Jones has claimed on Twitter "Don't believe everything you read in the papers", followed by "Hopefully they will speak the truth if not in time I will.". Further, he claimed that it had nothing to do with tactics, but about the club making itself look good.
There's no news either way on Kenwyne Jones' transfer status (listed or not)
Kenwyne Jones had played in the FA cup match immediately before this news story
All confirmation of this has come from an interview with Mark Hughes
The following is speculated (not by me, but these are theories);
Kenwyne Jones informed the club of his non-arrival via text
Kenwyne Jones is maneuvering for a transfer to Everton
He will move when a replacement is found for him
Mark Hughes and Stoke City are spinning the story to make Jones look bad
Given the sparse facts, I conclude that all we know for certain at this stage is that he has been fined a hefty sum of money for not turning up to the Liverpool game, which he was required to do under the terms of his contract. From this, I believe he has acted in an unprofessional manner, a professional manner demanding a fulfilment of your obligations under the terms of your contract.
Thats logic but the only problem is people like to point to things that support their viewpoint, like The Secret Footballer and all that is a journalist, no different or more believable than any other journalist.
The vast majority of football fans are fed up of mercenary footballers acting like spoiled brats, unless of course its for their team in which case they will defend the undefendable. So most neutrals will readily believe the clubs statement.
All Kenwyne or his agent have to do is come out and deny the story about the text, this will then put the club on the back foot and will have to produce proof. If this is true that the club has lied they can't do anything to Kenwyne the PFA will see to that, he will be no worse off because he will still have and be paid for the rest of his contract and he will look better to the neutrals and potential clubs. So you have to ask yourself why he hasn't denied it, he has absolutely nothing to lose and a lot to gain by doing so.
Everton by the way are rumoured to by taking Lucina Traore on loan from Monaco, but its not like agents to put stories around to generate interest in players this time of year though is it, there might be somebody interested in Kenwyne but not necessarily Everton.
He's currently doing a medical at Everton on a 6 month loan so it looks like if they're interested in Jones they'll wait till the summer to get him for free
Can't they sign him for free now given that his contract is up in the summer? I thought the rule was that players are available on a free transfer in January if their contract was ending the following summer.
EDIT: My bad. Got this from Wikipedia:
With six months or less remaining on an existing contract for players aged 23 or older, they are free to negotiate with other clubs and sign a pre-contract agreement, indicating their ability to move to their intended club on a Bosman transfer once the next transfer window opens.
So at this point he doesn't need to hand in a transfer request, unless he wants to leave immediately. Otherwise, he's free to negotiate with other clubs and sign with the intent to leave this summer.
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If KJ read this message, I say so.
Hey Jones, F00ck all of them...
You be strong and go to Everton if you get the chance and make sure you burn Stoke when you face them.
This club not playing de man so how you expect him to score or to contribute, they can't only go with training. Yea, I know KJ could improve some stuff but to me he has, de man has made a drastic turn around, give him a chance nah and stop lying on de man.
Even if he miss de team meal, ask de man why and don't assume. He must be vex anyway, any player would be vex if they not getting playing time, look Mata vex too, its kills a player confidence and career.
KJ, you work hard and show them bro, to hell with Stoke and especially de coach, he days numbered too.
KJ would score more but the coach kill his confidence.
Stephen Hart is de only man who really make KJ play to his true potential.
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I really hope Jones goes to Everton and gets game time, he's a good player and vital for our progression.
In terms of the pre-contract - that's the Bosman rule in action right there. He can sign that pre-contract agreement anytime, but obviously he wont move till the summer. I'm sure his agent is in no hurry to sign a pre-contract and will be going around drumming interest. Don't be surprised if he goes abroad for big money to a place like Turkey - he's surely good enough to get serious top dollar
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not sure the secret footballer has added much to the discussion - just more speculation on the topic. Something has gone awry at Stoke tho
That's more than speculation bro. KJ never send no txt the club lie and setting up the man. Why you don't just come out and say YOU was quick to blast KJ without all the info? You and your peeps are the only ones speculating here like yall don't know what does go on in real life. scheeupps. NEWFLASH!!! God don't sleep. The mark going to buss on Stoke over this and KJ moving on with his head held high.
We only have this guy's word for it, but he offers no proof and doesn't back up his claim. You can't ever act on all info when it comes to this hearsay stuff, but the facts as I know them haven't changed - KJ was fined for not fulfilling his professional obligations and I don't disagree with that.
When the facts as we know them change, so will my opinion :)
What proof do you have from the club?
I know the following;
Kenwyne Jones was fined two weeks wages for failing to turn up to the Liverpool game
Kenwyne Jones has 6 months left on his contract
His contract stipulates that he should attend matches when required
Everton are reportedly interested in signing Kenwyne Jones
Kenwyne Jones has not made a formal statement about the affair to the media
Kenwyne Jones has claimed on Twitter "Don't believe everything you read in the papers", followed by "Hopefully they will speak the truth if not in time I will.". Further, he claimed that it had nothing to do with tactics, but about the club making itself look good.
There's no news either way on Kenwyne Jones' transfer status (listed or not)
Kenwyne Jones had played in the FA cup match immediately before this news story
All confirmation of this has come from an interview with Mark Hughes
The following is speculated (not by me, but these are theories);
Kenwyne Jones informed the club of his non-arrival via text
Kenwyne Jones is maneuvering for a transfer to Everton
He will move when a replacement is found for him
Mark Hughes and Stoke City are spinning the story to make Jones look bad
Given the sparse facts, I conclude that all we know for certain at this stage is that he has been fined a hefty sum of money for not turning up to the Liverpool game, which he was required to do under the terms of his contract. From this, I believe he has acted in an unprofessional manner, a professional manner demanding a fulfilment of your obligations under the terms of your contract.
Thats logic but the only problem is people like to point to things that support their viewpoint, like The Secret Footballer and all that is a journalist, no different or more believable than any other journalist.
The vast majority of football fans are fed up of mercenary footballers acting like spoiled brats, unless of course its for their team in which case they will defend the undefendable. So most neutrals will readily believe the clubs statement.
All Kenwyne or his agent have to do is come out and deny the story about the text, this will then put the club on the back foot and will have to produce proof. If this is true that the club has lied they can't do anything to Kenwyne the PFA will see to that, he will be no worse off because he will still have and be paid for the rest of his contract and he will look better to the neutrals and potential clubs. So you have to ask yourself why he hasn't denied it, he has absolutely nothing to lose and a lot to gain by doing so.
Everton by the way are rumoured to by taking Lucina Traore on loan from Monaco, but its not like agents to put stories around to generate interest in players this time of year though is it, there might be somebody interested in Kenwyne but not necessarily Everton.
He's currently doing a medical at Everton on a 6 month loan so it looks like if they're interested in Jones they'll wait till the summer to get him for free
Can't they sign him for free now given that his contract is up in the summer? I thought the rule was that players are available on a free transfer in January if their contract was ending the following summer.
EDIT: My bad. Got this from Wikipedia:
With six months or less remaining on an existing contract for players aged 23 or older, they are free to negotiate with other clubs and sign a pre-contract agreement, indicating their ability to move to their intended club on a Bosman transfer once the next transfer window opens.
So at this point he doesn't need to hand in a transfer request, unless he wants to leave immediately. Otherwise, he's free to negotiate with other clubs and sign with the intent to leave this summer.
My understanding is he is free to talk to foreign clubs from January and sign pre contract - thats prem rules in case he signs contract for one and ends up playing against them (I think).
I doubt anybody in the prem will pay him top dollar with the new FFP, as mentioned Turkey / Middle East / Russian with low tax.
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He can't move till the Summer, but may sign pre-contract deals. If he wants to move immediately he needs a transfer, but submitting a transfer request might undermine "loyalty" agreements and bonuses he might be entitled to if he goes till the end of his contract without asking for one
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Jones could return to face Chelsea.
By Ian Edwards (soccernet)
The striker has not featured in manager Mark Hughes' squad since he sent a text on the eve of the recent 5-3 home defeat to Liverpool to say he was unavailable for selection.
Trinidad and Tobago international Jones was fined two weeks wages -- around £80,000 -- and left out of the squad for last weekend's 1-0 defeat at Crystal Palace, but has been training with the rest of the group this week.
Hughes said: "At the time, I was not happy with what happened. We have discussed a few things, and he knows the situation and the club's feelings on the issue.
"The club is aware of the player's feelings as well. He has trained correctly since. He has shown he wants to do things right and be professional, and he is available for selection.
"There has been no problem with the group. The group is a good group, and there would have been a reaction if Kenwyne had not applied himself and approached things in the right way.
"Nothing has happened with Kenwyne in terms of the transfer market. You never know how things might develop for the rest of the window, but at the moment we cannot afford to let him go out because that would weaken us."
Hughes also made it clear that Peter Crouch would not be allowed to join Queens Park Rangers this month, and said he was hopeful loan signing John Guidetti would be available at Stamford Bridge despite missing Friday training because of illness.
"We will have to wait and see how he is," he said. "Hopefully, it will be a 24-hour thing. I wanted to give him some game time and see whether he can show he can do the things we want him to and score goals for us."
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Swap deal with Cardiff for Odemwingie is on the cards
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Swap deal with Cardiff for Odemwingie is on the cards
Saw that on mirror, is it posted elsewhere?
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Swap deal with Cardiff for Odemwingie is on the cards
Starting to look like this might be for real. KJ clearing out his locker. Odemwingie in town.
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http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-set-sign-manchester-6593684
OGS go sign him. Look like Yorkie call him and say give KJ ah bligh
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Cardiff are bottom but are 1 pt away from getting out the relegation zone.
It would be nice if Jones can take Cardiff above Stoke but things really not lookin good for Cardiff City.
That has to be a hard decision to go there.
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STOKE CITY can confirm it has reached an agreement with Cardiff City over a move for striker Peter Odemwingie that will see Kenwyne Jones head to South Wales in a player-exchange transfer.
The deal is subject to both players passing medicals and agreeing personal terms but the Potters hope to conclude their move for the Nigerian international over the weekend.
http://www.stokecityfc.com/news/article/transfer-update-1315611.aspx
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STOKE CITY can confirm it has reached an agreement with Cardiff City over a move for striker Peter Odemwingie that will see Kenwyne Jones head to South Wales in a player-exchange transfer.
The deal is subject to both players passing medicals and agreeing personal terms but the Potters hope to conclude their move for the Nigerian international over the weekend.
http://www.stokecityfc.com/news/article/transfer-update-1315611.aspx
Good deal for Cardiff, no idea why Stoke would want Odemwingie - no respect for him and his 'driving to London to force a move' antics
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Here's to a fresh start kj. Leave the nonsense at Stoke on Trent and enjoy the sights and sounds of Cardiff. :beermug:
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Solskjaer confirms Jones close to Cardiff arrival
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-boss-ole-gunnar-6594469
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no respect for him and his 'driving to London to force a move' antics
Didn't it eventually come out that he was told to come down there? I forget by whom. But he was apparently there under the impression that it was a done deal, not trying to force a move.
Kenwyne and Campbell potentially a good link up, though. Any side could go down out of that bottom 10. Palace went from rock bottom to 16th in no time. So not a bad move. just a risky one.
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Didn't it eventually come out that he was told to come down there? I forget by whom. But he was apparently there under the impression that it was a done deal, not trying to force a move.
Yes, it would be a bizarre way to try and force a transfer. At any rate, I rate Odemwingie.
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plenty wuk ahead to stay a EPL player
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So what would happen if Jones does not agree personal terms at this point?
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Cardiff jed...wham to everton...o swansea....dotishness yes
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So what would happen if Jones does not agree personal terms at this point?
very good question... Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Yorke crash a transfer out of Man U by refusing to agree terms with Middleborough?
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Think it through... the transfer fee is what's paid to secure the RIGHT to negotiate with the player. You still have to personally negotiate a contract with the player. So no contract signed, then obviously the transfer is off. It might help to not think in terms of "trading" a player.
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As in: how would Hughes and the rest of management react? Suck it up and include Jones in the squad for the rest of the season or get vex and ship him off to youth team training.
Last season it happened to Malouda at Chelsea, U-21 training all season long.
Maybe it would be different for Jones since it's halfway through the season.
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Cardiff jed...wham to everton...o swansea....dotishness yes
You really think Jones up to that level?
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Cardiff jed...wham to everton...o swansea....dotishness yes
You really think Jones up to that level?
lol, Crouch keeping him on the bench but he going Everton to run up minutes at Lukaku expense?
Cardiff have a long road to hoe to stay in the EPL so he have plenty incentive to knock in the goals; score and they stay up - he is the hero, score and they go down - he could get a cut-price transfer when Cardiff cutting expenses.
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As in: how would Hughes and the rest of management react? Suck it up and include Jones in the squad for the rest of the season or get vex and ship him off to youth team training.
Last season it happened to Malouda at Chelsea, U-21 training all season long.
Maybe it would be different for Jones since it's halfway through the season.
There's nothing to suck up, Stoke didn't try to run him is he try to force a transfer. Reports in the British press are that Hughes had intended to play him against Chelsea in the FA Cup. So clearly they'd carry on as they have all season.
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Well once the deal goes through he will get a run of prob 10 games or so. We'll see if he can lead Cardiff into safety.
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As in: how would Hughes and the rest of management react? Suck it up and include Jones in the squad for the rest of the season or get vex and ship him off to youth team training.
Last season it happened to Malouda at Chelsea, U-21 training all season long.
Maybe it would be different for Jones since it's halfway through the season.
There's nothing to suck up, Stoke didn't try to run him is he try to force a transfer. Reports in the British press are that Hughes had intended to play him against Chelsea in the FA Cup. So clearly they'd carry on as they have all season.
The quote I saw was that he was available for selection, the reporter's headline about him returning vs Chelsea was pure speculation based on the quote. British press does report real shit when they ready.
Solskjaer might be able to teach KJ a couple things about positioning.
Whatever happens I hope it works out for KJ.
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As in: how would Hughes and the rest of management react? Suck it up and include Jones in the squad for the rest of the season or get vex and ship him off to youth team training.
Last season it happened to Malouda at Chelsea, U-21 training all season long.
Maybe it would be different for Jones since it's halfway through the season.
There's nothing to suck up, Stoke didn't try to run him is he try to force a transfer. Reports in the British press are that Hughes had intended to play him against Chelsea in the FA Cup. So clearly they'd carry on as they have all season.
Wtf ??? ??? ??? Any intelligence I thought you had just went out the window...
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Never trust a word in the Daily Mail, the rest are nearly as bad. Guardian and Independent are probably the 'most' worth your trust for footy news, but the whole bunch are pretty bad. Football365.com is where I go for news and analysis personally.
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Wheys, I dreamt that I was KJ strike partner for Cardiff on his debut. D man score in d first half even though the keeper could have saved the shot and the game finish 1 nil. I missed a sitter and was subbed mid second half
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Here's to a fresh start kj. Leave the nonsense at Stoke on Trent and enjoy the sights and sounds of Cardiff. :beermug:
Never been to Cardiff, have you ;D
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Wheys, I dreamt that I was KJ strike partner for Cardiff on his debut. D man score in d first half even though the keeper could have saved the shot and the game finish 1 nil. I missed a sitter and was subbed mid second half
??? :rotfl:
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It would be kinda sad if KJ moves to the last placed team in the prem and sits on the bench behind Frazier Campbell :banginghead:
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It would be kinda sad if KJ moves to the last placed team in the prem and sits on the bench behind Frazier Campbell :banginghead:
Yeah, but at least we won't have to watch Stoke any more. Plus he will break the red stripe jersey thing he have going on.
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It would be kinda sad if KJ moves to the last placed team in the prem and sits on the bench behind Frazier Campbell :banginghead:
Bench is ok. The problem at Stoke is that he was glued to it, watching the people ahead of him fail. Cardiff didn't bring him in to sit down, so more than likely he'll be part of a fair rotation.
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Here's to a fresh start kj. Leave the nonsense at Stoke on Trent and enjoy the sights and sounds of Cardiff. :beermug:
Never been to Cardiff, have you ;D
Lol...Actually, I have. Its not Bath by anymeans but it can hold its own.
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Here's to a fresh start kj. Leave the nonsense at Stoke on Trent and enjoy the sights and sounds of Cardiff. :beermug:
Never been to Cardiff, have you ;D
Lol...Actually, I have. Its not Bath by anymeans but it can hold its own.
I was only joking tbf as you noticed. OGS 4th signing the rest have been from where he came from. Another nutter of a foreign owner.
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Cardiff jed...wham to everton...o swansea....dotishness yes
You really think Jones up to that level?
lol, Crouch keeping him on the bench but he going Everton to run up minutes at Lukaku expense?
Cardiff have a long road to hoe to stay in the EPL so he have plenty incentive to knock in the goals; score and they stay up - he is the hero, score and they go down - he could get a cut-price transfer when Cardiff cutting expenses.
This
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Wheys, I dreamt that I was KJ strike partner for Cardiff on his debut. D man score in d first half even though the keeper could have saved the shot and the game finish 1 nil. I missed a sitter and was subbed mid second half
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That sound like the g I know!!! haha
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Anybody familiar with the system Cardiff is playing under OGS? Any opinions on how Kenwyne would/could fit into their style/system of play? I ask because I'm afraid that if they intend to use him primarily as a hold up the ball, win headers type of center forward it's likely to be more of the same.
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Look like Cardiff also getting Fabio from Man U.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/25903634
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Tell us the truth then Kenwyne Jones?
By Martin Spinks (The Sentinel)
NOW that he's swapping Stoke City for Cardiff City, perhaps Kenwyne Jones will be good enough to give his version of events.
He has hinted at the fact he was hard done by over his failure to play against Liverpool just over a fortnight ago by recently tweeting that he didn't go on strike.
That appears to fly in the face of the club's account - admittedly given off the record, but endorsed publicly by Mark Hughes - that Jones made himself unavailable for the game because of grievances over his future.
Clubs are not averse to spinning stories dramatically in their favour whenever a player is about to leave in any kind of controversial circumstance.
And the Secret Footballer - the mysterious Guardian columnist - went as far as to say that he had been reliably informed that Stoke's version was poppycock.
Well, if there was a yarn being spun by the club to undermine Jones, it was an over-elaborate one.
Surely to goodness the lie would not have gone into as much detail as to say that Jones had texted Hughes the night before the game?
Or that Hughes had texted him back to insist he report for duty against Liverpool?
It is not enough for Jones to hint at a lie being told, let's have his story in full and on the record.
If there was a text, but it was misinterpreted at the time, then let's have the nuts and bolts.
Then everyone can judge for themselves and the club can answer back if an answer is required.
The problem for Jones at this end, perhaps, is that supporters could be reluctant to believe anything he says because of the reputation he leaves behind.
And that is of a player who could have/should have given so much more from his locker during his three-and-a-half years at the Britannia.
His unfulfilled potential was not all his own fault, of course, but plenty at this end will say a generous percentage was down to the player himself.
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Tell us the truth then Kenwyne Jones?
By Martin_Spinks (The Sentinel)
NOW that he's swapping Stoke City for Cardiff City, perhaps Kenwyne Jones will be good enough to give his version of events.
He has hinted at the fact he was hard done by over his failure to play against Liverpool just over a fortnight ago by recently tweeting that he didn't go on strike.
That appears to fly in the face of the club's account - admittedly given off the record, but endorsed publicly by Mark Hughes - that Jones made himself unavailable for the game because of grievances over his future.
Clubs are not averse to spinning stories dramatically in their favour whenever a player is about to leave in any kind of controversial circumstance.
And the Secret Footballer - the mysterious Guardian columnist - went as far as to say that he had been reliably informed that Stoke's version was poppycock.
Well, if there was a yarn being spun by the club to undermine Jones, it was an over-elaborate one.
Surely to goodness the lie would not have gone into as much detail as to say that Jones had texted Hughes the night before the game?
Or that Hughes had texted him back to insist he report for duty against Liverpool?
It is not enough for Jones to hint at a lie being told, let's have his story in full and on the record.
If there was a text, but it was misinterpreted at the time, then let's have the nuts and bolts.
Then everyone can judge for themselves and the club can answer back if an answer is required.
The problem for Jones at this end, perhaps, is that supporters could be reluctant to believe anything he says because of the reputation he leaves behind.
And that is of a player who could have/should have given so much more from his locker during his three-and-a-half years at the Britannia.
His unfulfilled potential was not all his own fault, of course, but plenty at this end will say a generous percentage was down to the player himself.
More :bs: from the English media.
Why not put the same questions to Hughes or Stoke? :bs: Over the 3 years it was KJ fault that he did not do more? What walk on the field? They played Crouch injured over KJ? How the hell it is his fault that he did not play more? You can only do so much. Look at Malouda with Chelsea.
Pogba 'disgusted' by Fergie selection
Paul Pogba said he left Manchester United because he was “disgusted” Sir Alex Ferguson picked a right-back ahead of him in midfield and revealed it caused the breakdown of his relationship with the former manager.
The France international, who signed for Juventus when his contract at Old Trafford ran out in 2012, has been scouted by David Moyes this month but spoke critically of United in a Canal + documentary about him called L'Incontournable and said he had no regrets about joining the Serie A champions.
Pogba, 20, never started a first-team game in England but thought he should have figured in the December 2011 clash against Blackburn, which was on Ferguson’s 70th birthday.
The Scot had omitted Wayne Rooney, Jonny Evans and Darron Gibson after a night out and, lacking three injured central defenders, played Michael Carrick in the back four and selected a new central-midfield partnership of right-back Rafael da Silva and Park Ji-sung.
And Pogba told Canal+: “It was a very, very difficult moment for me because I was in love with Manchester and I was a Mancunian.
"It was the match against Blackburn in December 2011 at Old Trafford.
"Paul Scholes had retired, Darren Fletcher was injured. There was no one left to play in midfield. And I was training and I was beginning to get better bit by bit and the coach never stopped telling me, 'You're this far'.
"And I didn't understand. This far away from what? Playing? From having some playing time? From getting on the field? Or what?
"And there was Rafael in midfield and I was disgusted. I was disgusted and I didn't get on either."
United lost 3-2 to Blackburn with Pogba remaining an unused substitute and he said that day convinced him to leave Old Trafford.
He added: "I'd lost that thing, that relation that I had with the coach. I was really disappointed, really disappointed.
"I was pushed. My eyes were opened. I'd made this decision to sign with Juventus. There was nothing to regret."
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Kenwyne Jones is just the kind of player Cardiff City need to stay up
By Nathan Blake (Wales Online)
As a fully paid up member of the strikers’ union I have to say Kenwyne Jones is an excellent signing for Cardiff City.
I actually think I said it earlier in the season that he was exactly the kind of player that Cardiff needed and I believe his goals could well prove the difference between the Bluebirds staying up and going down.
He is the kind of player we have been crying out for this season, a target man, capable of holding the ball up and he gives us a extra string to our bow.
I think when he is playing a lot more the game is going to be played in the oppositions’ final third rather than our final third.
He’s great at holding the ball up and providing little flick-ons.
The likes of Jordon Mutch and Craig Noone are really going to prosper with Jones in the side.
We can mix things up a bit now.
If we want to play it through midfield we can, but if we want to go long, with someone like Jones in the side, you can do that knowing he’s going to do his best to get on the end of it and do something with the ball.
I like the look of the guy. I don’t know Jones personally, but on the pitch he strikes me as a man’s man, the type of guy not afraid of very much.
It’s a good thing. He needs a fresh start and the Bluebirds need someone to put the ball in the net. It could be a match made in heaven. I most certainly hope so.
The arrival of Jones though should in no way detract from the excellent job Fraizer Campbell has been doing for the Bluebirds.
His signing for £650,000 has to be one of the best pieces of business former manager Malky Mackay did whilst he was in charge.
I dread to think what shape Cardiff would be in right now without Campbell, the guy has been immense.
For his work-rate I’d give Campbell nine out of ten and when it comes to finishing I’d give him a seven. He’s about at a 60 to 70 per cent conversion rate right now and that is pretty good going by anybody’s standards.
If Campbell can keep scoring and Jones could chip in with ten goals between now and the end of the season that would go a long way to ensuring City stay up.
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Cardiff sign Fabio and Jones, close on Zaha
By Rex Gowar (Reuters)
LONDON, Jan 27 (Reuters) - Cardiff City have signed Manchester United's Brazilian left back Fabio and Stoke City striker Kenwyne Jones, the Premier League club's manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer said on Monday.
Cardiff also hope to recruit Manchester United winger Wilfried Zaha on loan before the end of the transfer window on Friday.
"Fabio and Kenwyne will join training today. I have just met them downstairs and that is more or less done," Solskjaer told a news conference in Manchester before the Premier League game against United on Tuesday.
Norwegian Solskjaer, who took over at Cardiff this month, said the Zaha deal was not yet finalized.
"We hope to get that done in the next 24 hours or so, so he can be ready for the weekend," the former Manchester United striker said.
Cardiff have slipped to the bottom of the table and are in danger of relegation following their promotion to the Premier League for the first time last year.
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Kenwyne Jones after training this afternoon
(http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/download/file.php?id=12360)
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Stoke City: We called the shots over Kenwyne Jones exit, insists chairman Peter Coates
By The Sentinel.
STOKE City chairman Peter Coates insists the club was not held to ransom by Kenwyne Jones over his desire to quit the Britannia Stadium.
Jones brought the issue of his future into the headlines when refusing to make himself available for the game against Liverpool on January 12, a move for which he was fined two week's wages.
Jones eventually got his way when Stoke agreed to the swap deal that will take him to Cardiff City and bring Peter Odemwingie in the opposite direction.
But Coates last night denied that the Trinidad and Tobago striker had profited from his action.
He said: "That's not the case. The fact is he could have gone at the end of the season because he is out of contract, but this deal looked like a sensible opportunity for us.
"I wouldn't like to think there was any circumstance where a player would think he can get his way by not playing for any football club."
Coates reiterated the club's intention to continue pursuing viable deals before the transfer window slams shut at 11pm on Friday.
And that could yet leave the door ajar for Sunderland's Lee Cattermole after Stoke's timely visit to Wearside tomorrow evening.
"If there are good deals to be done that will improve us," he stressed, "then we will try to do them, but they don't come easy."
Meanwhile, Coates defended Stoke's players against the widespread criticism coming their way in the wake of Sunday's tame FA Cup exit at Chelsea.
He said: "I think there has to be a reality check here. What people have to understand is that we were playing a top European side on their own ground and where they rarely lose.
"They have some terrific players, paid us respect by putting out a very strong team, yet our goalkeeper actually only had one excellent save to make.
"The only goal came from a dead-ball situation, and in fact you could argue that the award of the free-kick harsh, but it was a great free-kick."
Stoke resume their league programme with a proverbial "six-pointer" at Sunderland when they will be desperate to improve a run of just two points from the last 27 available on the road.
Coates conceded the pressure was on, but added: "That's what the players are there for and there's no reason why they can't handle it. That's football and that's sport. You have to take the pressure and if you can't you won't be successful."
Charlie Adam and Glenn Whelan are expected to return for Stephen Ireland and Wilson Palacios respectively, while Oussama Assaidi will fancy his chances of replacing Marko Arnautovic on the wing.
STOKE City's Premier League game at Aston Villa has been moved back 24 hours after the game was chosen for television coverage. They will now make the trip on Sunday, March 23 (4pm).
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I hope Stoke get relegated. These people sounding real childish boy. Now they "laughing and pointing fingers at Jones." :cursing:
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Look a man vex already... like Jones really had the patience of Job.
John Guidetti angry at lack of action with Stoke City after loan move
UK Guardian
John Guidetti, on loan from Manchester City to Stoke City, has expressed frustration about his lack of football under Mark Hughes and said the club will "have a problem" if he is left out of their next game, at Sunderland on Wednesday.
Guidetti, desperate to resurrect his career after a freakish illness ruled him out for the best part of two years, admitted being angry he had been an unused substitute in Stoke's FA Cup defeat at Chelsea on Sunday.
The 21-year-old Swede was a 79th-minute substitute in their game at Crystal Palace the previous weekend and told the Swedish newspaper Expressen: "It's been two games and we haven't scored. What is the worst that can happen [if I came on], that I don't score, or … ? We have to see what it is like for the next game, otherwise we have a problem."
Guidetti had missed training towards the end of last week because of a stomach complaint but said he was ready to play. "You are a bit angry [when you are left out]. I feel really good and the training sessions have been as good as they could have been. I had a stomach bug, I woke up on the Thursday with something to do with my stomach. So I hadn't trained since Thursday. But still, I travelled [to Stamford Bridge].
"I know what's in his [Hughes's] mind, that it is about the stomach, that I haven't trained. I can understand that a little bit. But I got a lot of positive feedback after the last game. That felt good. I had minutes against Crystal Palace and everyone thought I did bloody well. Then you think you are going to get the chance again. If we'd been banging in the goals you maybe could understand it.
"It is a cup tie. It doesn't matter if we concede another goal. I thought it was a little … you're angry, I don't really understand it. I feel really good otherwise, training has been going really well. Then it is difficult to do anything when you don't get to play."
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I dont curse, but F Mark Hughes and Stoke and their bosses. I hope they get relageted.
Mark Hughes days numbered anyway.
Why did they get rid of Tony Pulis when Hughes is no better.
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Why did they get rid of Tony Pulis when Hughes is no better.
The results ain't no better, but they nicer on the eyes now.
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After today the next 5 games are Norwich, Swansea, Villa, Wigan, and Hull City.
Chance to put in some work against mediocre defenses and pick up points.
Saturday 19th April 2014 Cardiff vs Stoke I hope KJ scores a hattrick.
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These guys don't know how to manage players. They apparently think that the coach/manager is always right and you're the player so you just have to chill because "we paying you". These managers forget that yuh still dealing with big men.
Fortune 500 companies does pay they employees big money and still invest loads of finances in motivating and keeping moral up with employees.
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Whooo....Cardiff players dumb as rocks. :o >:(
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I hope Stoke get relegated. These people sounding real childish boy. Now they "laughing and pointing fingers at Jones." :cursing:
You need to relax, settle down and step back from the situation sometimes dred. Peter Coates is ah imps, no doubt, but the club has to come out and take the position they have lest any player feel he could similarly go on strike to force a move. They have to claim that they were the ones in charge all along and that KJ didn't force anything. Additionally, he's right that the club benefited, instead of a malcontent player buried on the bench they get a couple million pounds for him, whereas had he stayed until August they would have gotten nothing but more headache. Nothing at all offensive in what he said.
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Kenwyne Jones gone from Stoke City, but not forgotten
By Pete Smith (The Sentinel)
KENWYNE Jones needed to deliver the goods to match his words after talking so candidly about Stoke City’s changing philosophies this season.
He was just establishing himself as Stoke’s number one striker for the first time since Peter Crouch joined the club when he was chosen to front a community visit to Newstead Primary School, in Blurton, back in September.
The Trinidad and Tobago captain, who had started the previous four games, played basketball with the kids ... then spoke openly about how he thought Tony Pulis’s “hit and hope sky football” had been holding him and the side back.
Jones, who rubber-stamped a move to Cardiff City today, said he felt liberated by Pulis’s departure, but could not then back that up with goals in the Premier League under Mark Hughes.
Now 29, he has not scored in his past 21 games in the top flight.
He has never scored in 31 league sub appearances and – after again falling firmly behind Crouch in the pecking order – Hughes must have wondered if he was suitable for a main task of being a game changer from the bench.
Either way, his place in the squad became untenable when he made himself unavailable to play against Liverpool earlier this month.
It gave a whole new meaning to his tag-line of being “unplayable on his day”.
“For the dumb ones out there, I was never on strike,” he later wrote on Twitter as he left the Potteries, without filling in any of the obvious blanks.
In fact his exit had seemed on the cards at the start of last season when there were rumours of £5m bids from Turkey.
And at the end of the campaign it looked like his time was up when he was dropped from the squad to take on Southampton after a changing room prank gone wrong involving a pig’s head and smashed car windscreen.
Yet the turbulence of his long farewell is at odds to his first year at the Brit after re-joining for a club record, and complicated, £8m package from Sunderland.
He had given a glimpse of his natural powers as a 20-year-old on loan from Southampton under Pulis in 2005, having spent most of youth career as a defender or defensive midfielder.
And, upon his return, he had bulked into a beast of a front man who linked up superbly with Jon Walters, Jermaine Pennant and Matthew Etherington to back flip all the way to the 2011 FA Cup final.
“We have had all these stories about us being underdogs, boring, not so good and whatever,” he told The Sentinel as he tried to pinpoint the secret of that success.
“But we have the sort of club where everyone helps out. Everyone works hard and everyone goes out there and works for each other.”
Jones was the spearhead as Stoke ventured into the Europa League at the start of his second season, but then came Crouch, taking his record-signing tag and his regular slot in the traditional number nine slot.
He had scored 10 league goals in the 13 months before Crouch’s arrival ... and would only score three in the two-and-a-half years after – all in a single fortnight while Crouch was sidelined with a facial injury in December 2012.
The two strikers will now finally have a chance to get on the pitch at the same time ... when Stoke take on Cardiff on April 19.
KENWYNE JONES'S PREMIER LEAGUE STATISTICS AT STOKE CITY
2010/11: 33 (+1 sub) apps, nine goals
2011/12: 10 (+11) apps, one goal
2012/13: 10 (+16) apps, three goals
2013/14: Four (+3) apps, no goals
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I hope Stoke get relegated. These people sounding real childish boy. Now they "laughing and pointing fingers at Jones." :cursing:
You need to relax, settle down and step back from the situation sometimes dred. Peter Coates is ah imps, no doubt, but the club has to come out and take the position they have lest any player feel he could similarly go on strike to force a move. They have to claim that they were the ones in charge all along and that KJ didn't force anything. Additionally, he's right that the club benefited, instead of a malcontent player buried on the bench they get a couple million pounds for him, whereas had he stayed until August they would have gotten nothing but more headache. Nothing at all offensive in what he said.
That's all :bs: Bakes.
We wish to say thank you to KJ for his time here at Stoke and we wish him the best in the future.
Nah but he come like ah panty man trying to one up KJ. Let them rock so. If KJ had said that he would have been the immature, good for nothing selfish lazy island boy.
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Kenwyne Jones gone from Stoke City, but not forgotten
By Pete Smith (The Sentinel)
KENWYNE Jones needed to deliver the goods to match his words after talking so candidly about Stoke City’s changing philosophies this season.
He was just establishing himself as Stoke’s number one striker for the first time since Peter Crouch joined the club when he was chosen to front a community visit to Newstead Primary School, in Blurton, back in September.
The Trinidad and Tobago captain, who had started the previous four games, played basketball with the kids ... then spoke openly about how he thought Tony Pulis’s “hit and hope sky football” had been holding him and the side back.
Jones, who rubber-stamped a move to Cardiff City today, said he felt liberated by Pulis’s departure, but could not then back that up with goals in the Premier League under Mark Hughes.
Now 29, he has not scored in his past 21 games in the top flight.
He has never scored in 31 league sub appearances and – after again falling firmly behind Crouch in the pecking order – Hughes must have wondered if he was suitable for a main task of being a game changer from the bench.
Either way, his place in the squad became untenable when he made himself unavailable to play against Liverpool earlier this month.
It gave a whole new meaning to his tag-line of being “unplayable on his day”.
“For the dumb ones out there, I was never on strike,” he later wrote on Twitter as he left the Potteries, without filling in any of the obvious blanks.
In fact his exit had seemed on the cards at the start of last season when there were rumours of £5m bids from Turkey.
And at the end of the campaign it looked like his time was up when he was dropped from the squad to take on Southampton after a changing room prank gone wrong involving a pig’s head and smashed car windscreen.
Yet the turbulence of his long farewell is at odds to his first year at the Brit after re-joining for a club record, and complicated, £8m package from Sunderland.
He had given a glimpse of his natural powers as a 20-year-old on loan from Southampton under Pulis in 2005, having spent most of youth career as a defender or defensive midfielder.
And, upon his return, he had bulked into a beast of a front man who linked up superbly with Jon Walters, Jermaine Pennant and Matthew Etherington to back flip all the way to the 2011 FA Cup final.
“We have had all these stories about us being underdogs, boring, not so good and whatever,” he told The Sentinel as he tried to pinpoint the secret of that success.
“But we have the sort of club where everyone helps out. Everyone works hard and everyone goes out there and works for each other.”
Jones was the spearhead as Stoke ventured into the Europa League at the start of his second season, but then came Crouch, taking his record-signing tag and his regular slot in the traditional number nine slot.
He had scored 10 league goals in the 13 months before Crouch’s arrival ... and would only score three in the two-and-a-half years after – all in a single fortnight while Crouch was sidelined with a facial injury in December 2012.
The two strikers will now finally have a chance to get on the pitch at the same time ... when Stoke take on Cardiff on April 19.
KENWYNE JONES'S PREMIER LEAGUE STATISTICS AT STOKE CITY
2010/11: 33 (+1 sub) apps, nine goals
2011/12: 10 (+11) apps, one goal
2012/13: 10 (+16) apps, three goals
2013/14: Four (+3) apps, no goals
How much horse Manure is this article. Where is Crouch stats for comparison.
Peter Crouch 16 (games started) 3 (sub) 4 (goals) 4 (assists).
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Glad to see KJ out of there. Like the Swede said, What is the worst that will happen if yuh put other players in? That you lose.. cause they are losing anyway. KJ may not be the solution in a mark hughes regime but he for dam sure aint the problem either.
If so, then why with their beloved Crouch, there is no Europa success or FA success this time around and mind you, the only reason they had success in dem leagues is because KJ was marginalized to those leagues.
Pennant, Etherington, KJ & Walters is who had dem clickin but dey mess with that core-four and all fall down. Crouch lazier than KJ and dey have KJ in de lazy book!
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http://eplindex.com/48575/kenwyne-jones-cardiff-comparing-current-forwards.html
Interesting read on we boi KJ...check it out
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http://eplindex.com/48575/kenwyne-jones-cardiff-comparing-current-forwards.html
Interesting read on we boi KJ...check it out
His stats are pretty terrible. What's missing is that all of Stoke's strikers' stats are terrible. His stats were only slightly worse than Crouch and both of them were miles ahead of Walters.
I'm sure his stats weren't stellar at Sunderland either. So dem Stoke years really send them down the tubes.
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Somebody say KJ didn't score a PL goal since 2012.
He need to change that fast.
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Somebody say KJ didn't score a PL goal since 2012.
He need to change that fast.
Yep, last EPL goal was against Southampton on December 29th 2012.
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No Cardiff City forever thread?
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No Cardiff City forever thread?
alyuh fed up do dat we could use d KJ thread, appropriate change to go with d end of red and white stripes :P
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Hope he's in the line-up for the Stoke game on Saturday!
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Hope he's in the line-up for the Stoke game on Saturday!
Wah??? Its Cardiff vs Norwich this weekend. Stoke playing Man U
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Hope he's in the line-up for the Stoke game on Saturday!
Wah??? Its Cardiff vs Norwich this weekend. Stoke playing Man U
Thanks for pointing that out...I coulda swear I read Stoke Cardiff on Sat. Like I ah getting old boy
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Watch Kenwyne light up de EPL now! The blight of the red and white stripes and the 3 S's (Southampton, Sunderland and Stoke) is over. ;D
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Watch Kenwyne light up de EPL now! The blight of the red and white stripes and the 3 S's (Southampton, Sunderland and Stoke) is over. ;D
Is only Stoke was blight really. He had some decent years at Southampton and Sunderland. All 3 end with some kinda coach fall out though. So it's likely that some of that is on him.
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Haul alyuh stinkin :cursing: :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:
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:wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel:
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Mih boiii score ah on his debut!
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Nice
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Debut goal for Cardiff and best defender on de pitch today ;D Well done KJ! Keep it up.
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Debut goal for Cardiff and best defender on de pitch today ;D Well done KJ! Keep it up.
He was playin in his true position in DEFENCE.
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Congrats KJ. Goal and yeoman service in defence.
KJ has a history of impressive starts with his new clubs and then tapering off (for whatever reason).
I think he's a more mature and intelligent footballer and the best of KJ will hopefully be consistently displayed at this level
A game winning goal for a team desperate for points. Can't get better than that
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Warrior sprit is bachannal time again :devil:
Go Cappo
Rastafari
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Cardiff City vs Norwich City 2-1 all goals and highlights epl 1/2/14 HD: Kenwyne scores
http://www.youtube.com/v/7z0BwphlFhM
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from the bbc
Jones, who joined Cardiff from Stoke in a swap deal with Peter Odemwingie, said he hopes the result can mark a turning point in his new team's season.
"I think a win breeds confidence in the squad," he said. "The team was a bit down but hopefully today is the start of a new era."
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Jones criticised by former team-mate
eatsleepsport.com
Stoke goalkeeper Asmir Begovic believes that former team mate Kenwyne Jones under-performs when he settles at a club.
Jones was on target on his Cardiff debut against Norwich on Saturday, netting the second goal as the Bluebirds fought from behind to take all three points in a 2-1 win.
The former Stoke man has found goals hard to come by recently and scored only three times last season and just once in the campaign before that.
Begovic believes that although the Trinidad & Tobago international does boast some impressive qualities, he often loses focus once the honeymoon period of joining a new club wears off.
Begovic said: "If he is motivated enough and he is up for the game, he has such great skill with both feet and can jump as high as anyone I have ever seen.
"The question of why he doesn't do it week in, week out is maybe one to ask Kenwyne. It's a shame, we loved him when we had him and when he first came to Stoke he was up for it and a fantastic player for us, but things went a little bit sour after that.
"Maybe when it's new, exciting and he is playing for his reputation within a new club he gets a bit comfortable. I guess it's an individual thing."
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I love meh boy Jones eh, but I have to agree 100% with Asmir Begovic.
I hope Jones can raise the bar.
The T&T laid back mentality does kill me.... we don't know when to use it.
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I love meh boy Jones eh, but I have to agree 100% with Asmir Begovic.
I hope Jones can raise the bar.
The T&T laid back mentality does kill me.... we don't know when to use it.
It's hard for me to say for sure if it's a laid back mentality. I'm not saying that some people don't slack but I can't believe at his level he'll be slacking. I does take these things with a grain of salt because for some people their perception of you expects you to do more than anyone else is doing. If you aren't doing ten times better than everybody else somehow you are a slacker.
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When a player just moves to a club, at any level, sure he trying to impress, sure he wukkin he tail off. When he has proven himself, yet still working, still producing, and although no position can be settled, when the then club/coach bring in a partner/inter club competitor/co worker and constantly rewards that new individual , with starting selections, regardless of equal results ..How long should any player stay motivated..what is the normal period for a person for the caribbean or someone from Wales.
Bergovic and they 'laid back' bs wrong. If he not producing the goods, talk to him, make him pull up he socks or lay him off, but yuh doh lay man off for looking like he lazier than everybody else, when he producing as much or more than everybody else....unless yuh trying to cut of yuh nose to spite yuh face, an thinking, how nice yuh woulda look with a cuter nose...meanwhile yuh bleeding to death and can't breathe.
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When a player just moves to a club, at any level, sure he trying to impress, sure he wukkin he tail off. When he has proven himself, yet still working, still producing, and although no position can be settled, when the then club/coach bring in a partner/inter club competitor/co worker and constantly rewards that new individual , with starting selections, regardless of equal results ..How long should any player stay motivated..what is the normal period for a person for the caribbean or someone from Wales.
Bergovic and they 'laid back' bs wrong. If he not producing the goods, talk to him, make him pull up he socks or lay him off, but yuh doh lay man off for looking like he lazier than everybody else, when he producing as much or more than everybody else....unless yuh trying to cut of yuh nose to spite yuh face, an thinking, how nice yuh woulda look with a cuter nose...meanwhile yuh bleeding to death and can't breathe.
Can a player appear to play lazy when he really isn't? I would like these coaches and players to specify what gives them that impression.
We don't see the training sessions where the players have to do stamina work, but KJ wouldn't be playing if he wasn't in top condition.
I feel it's just KJ's way of drifting around the pitch and not running hard every time that they talkin about.
Personally I feel he can improve on his output when the other team has the ball, as well as look to outpace defenders with an off-the-ball run so he can collect a through ball. He hardly tries those runs, and seems to be waiting for a cross. I saw him do it in this last game and all, when it seemed like Bellamy wanted to hit a through ball.
Look at Lukaku, a similarly big man who hustles defenders into giving up the ball and makes those pacy forward runs.
KJ doesn't put serious pressure when the other team is in possession. However I feel like he got that habit since managers want to play him as a lone striker. He can't put pressure like that every time when he has to battle for the long balls all by himself.
So he get so accustomed to trying to conserve energy that he plays like that even when he has help, or has a good chance of catching defenders in possession.
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Begovic Spot On
I hope for Jones, and T&T sake he can maintain a level of professionalism and ambition and really push on from here..this is his chance in the Prem I reckon..If he can have 4 big years for both club and country we will all be booking our flights to Russia in 4 years and Cardiff may be in the top half of the EPL
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I agree with all what peong say. For instance de through ball dat Zaha feed Bellamy to score, KJ was just kinda standing up, when in my mind he could have been running in to follow up. That could have easily been a rebound to tuck in.
But that lone striker role is a hard row to hoe... so I understand de conservation of energy angle.
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When a player just moves to a club, at any level, sure he trying to impress, sure he wukkin he tail off. When he has proven himself, yet still working, still producing, and although no position can be settled, when the then club/coach bring in a partner/inter club competitor/co worker and constantly rewards that new individual , with starting selections, regardless of equal results ..How long should any player stay motivated..what is the normal period for a person for the caribbean or someone from Wales.
Bergovic and they 'laid back' bs wrong. If he not producing the goods, talk to him, make him pull up he socks or lay him off, but yuh doh lay man off for looking like he lazier than everybody else, when he producing as much or more than everybody else....unless yuh trying to cut of yuh nose to spite yuh face, an thinking, how nice yuh woulda look with a cuter nose...meanwhile yuh bleeding to death and can't breathe.
Can a player appear to play lazy when he really isn't? I would like these coaches and players to specify what gives them that impression.
We don't see the training sessions where the players have to do stamina work, but KJ wouldn't be playing if he wasn't in top condition.I feel it's just KJ's way of drifting around the pitch and not running hard every time that they talkin about.
Personally I feel he can improve on his output when the other team has the ball, as well as look to outpace defenders with an off-the-ball run so he can collect a through ball. He hardly tries those runs, and seems to be waiting for a cross. I saw him do it in this last game and all, when it seemed like Bellamy wanted to hit a through ball.
Look at Lukaku, a similarly big man who hustles defenders into giving up the ball and makes those pacy forward runs.
KJ doesn't put serious pressure when the other team is in possession. However I feel like he got that habit since managers want to play him as a lone striker. He can't put pressure like that every time when he has to battle for the long balls all by himself.
So he get so accustomed to trying to conserve energy that he plays like that even when he has help, or has a good chance of catching defenders in possession.
Agree with most what you said, I only saw the goal hilights of the last game, there I saw, the 1st goal occured because KJ hustled the play and the ball fell to Zaha who then setup Bellamy, or wasn't that KJ ? As a coach, i tell my forwards, not to chase down everything, no team scores on every possession. I don't want them fatigued when a more concrete opportunity presents itself...choose your run when it will be effective.
Yet, I think every team needs a guy (or 2) who may not have the same skill set(setup or goal scoring), and will do the hustle-running as required. I tend to plan my strategy to suit the players I have and the team we are facing,(including selection), not force a strategy on the players, which they may or may not be capable of executing, all determined in practice..It is not now, that KJ doesn't play like a Walters. When selected by Sol, I think if he wanted that kinda workhorse, he would have gone for a Walters, not a KJ..JMO
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Agree with most what you said, I only saw the goal hilights of the last game, there I saw, the 1st goal occured because KJ hustled the play and the ball fell to Zaha who then setup Bellamy, or wasn't that KJ ?
Yeah it was him... but after that he ent follow up the play... I just saying, that is an example where fans might complain, because we fickle like dat nah
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When a player just moves to a club, at any level, sure he trying to impress, sure he wukkin he tail off. When he has proven himself, yet still working, still producing, and although no position can be settled, when the then club/coach bring in a partner/inter club competitor/co worker and constantly rewards that new individual , with starting selections, regardless of equal results ..How long should any player stay motivated..what is the normal period for a person for the caribbean or someone from Wales.
Bergovic and they 'laid back' bs wrong. If he not producing the goods, talk to him, make him pull up he socks or lay him off, but yuh doh lay man off for looking like he lazier than everybody else, when he producing as much or more than everybody else....unless yuh trying to cut of yuh nose to spite yuh face, an thinking, how nice yuh woulda look with a cuter nose...meanwhile yuh bleeding to death and can't breathe.
Can a player appear to play lazy when he really isn't? I would like these coaches and players to specify what gives them that impression.
We don't see the training sessions where the players have to do stamina work, but KJ wouldn't be playing if he wasn't in top condition.
I feel it's just KJ's way of drifting around the pitch and not running hard every time that they talkin about.
Personally I feel he can improve on his output when the other team has the ball, as well as look to outpace defenders with an off-the-ball run so he can collect a through ball. He hardly tries those runs, and seems to be waiting for a cross. I saw him do it in this last game and all, when it seemed like Bellamy wanted to hit a through ball.
Look at Lukaku, a similarly big man who hustles defenders into giving up the ball and makes those pacy forward runs.
KJ doesn't put serious pressure when the other team is in possession. However I feel like he got that habit since managers want to play him as a lone striker. He can't put pressure like that every time when he has to battle for the long balls all by himself.
So he get so accustomed to trying to conserve energy that he plays like that even when he has help, or has a good chance of catching defenders in possession.
I agree in general but that first Cardiff goal start with KJ pressuring a defender into a bad pass. He does that kinda thing more than he used to, but he still doh do it very much.
I does wonder if that knee injury affect his comfort with running in some way.
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Agree with most what you said, I only saw the goal hilights of the last game, there I saw, the 1st goal occured because KJ hustled the play and the ball fell to Zaha who then setup Bellamy, or wasn't that KJ ? As a coach, i tell my forwards, not to chase down everything, no team scores on every possession. I don't want them fatigued when a more concrete opportunity presents itself...choose your run when it will be effective.
Yet, I think every team needs a guy (or 2) who may not have the same skill set(setup or goal scoring), and will do the hustle-running as required. I tend to plan my strategy to suit the players I have and the team we are facing,(including selection), not force a strategy on the players, which they may or may not be capable of executing, all determined in practice..It is not now, that KJ doesn't play like a Walters. When selected by Sol, I think if he wanted that kinda workhorse, he would have gone for a Walters, not a KJ..JMO
In that game KJ was closing down defenders trying to knock the ball around on many occasions. On the play where the goal was scored, KJ first lost the ball then applied pressure by chasing the defenders around and in the end forcing one of them into making the pass that landed at Zaha's feet. From where KJ was when the pass was made he wasn't in no position to race to follow up for a rebound unless the ball take a magic bounce and go to the other side of the box where KJ could have had good position to tuck it back home. The probability of that type of rebound from that setup was extremely unlikely though. Zaha was in optimal position to follow Bellamy after the pass to knock a rebound back home. Yet he didn't follow him either, so why men have a different standard they expect or seem to want from KJ is beyond me. All we can do is speculate and none of us know what instructions he gets from the coaches. Playing hoofball and being the target man is not at all an easy task. Many times KJ is getting battered throughout the game as well as a key figure in set piece defense, yet he somehow supposed to have the energy to constantly chase down defenders, make all the incisive runs and score every goal even when its only half chances so that some here could be happy. Oh and I agree with your previous post regarding similar or worse results while sticking with his competition. I doh know how or why people cah recognize that Stoke has looked worse since Crouch was anointed. Then again I was scolded here for making the argument that "Crouchie" as his friends here call him isn't better than KJ and the stats and club history proves it.
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I agree in general but that first Cardiff goal start with KJ pressuring a defender into a bad pass. He does that kinda thing more than he used to, but he still doh do it very much.
I does wonder if that knee injury affect his comfort with running in some way.
That time he felt bad about giving away the ball needlessly. That does energize yuh. But yes on occasion he does pressure effectively, and he should be picking his moments, but to me he misses some opportunities to hassle defenders in a good spot. Maybe he tired on those occasions. Plus because he has played the lone striker so many times it's more noticeable.
I bet if he had a strike partner to share that workload it wouldn't be noticeable.
Like times when he had Bent, Fuller and Cisse, I never noticed it.
Yes FF on the Bellamy goal KJ gave up on the play as soon as Zaha passed to Bellamy. He should be racing in looking for a loose ball.
Mad Scorpion, when the defense is looking the other way and drawn toward the ball, a striker could just sneak in behind and surprise them.
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Agree with most what you said, I only saw the goal hilights of the last game, there I saw, the 1st goal occured because KJ hustled the play and the ball fell to Zaha who then setup Bellamy, or wasn't that KJ ?
Yeah it was him... but after that he ent follow up the play... I just saying, that is an example where fans might complain, because we fickle like dat nah
So he hustle on the equalizer, and score the WINNER..ah doh think fans will be upset, even if he was a no show for 70 minutes...after all, when yuh bring on a sub for a half, and he show 10 times, miss 8, and score 2, and the team WIN...u think fans or coach might vex with he for the 8 he miss ? If they lose, they still don't even have grounds...but if somebody doh like the man from the start, and only watching he..sure they will see every instance he mess up, and won't see no one else. If we focus only on KJ (everybody here main focus), and Cardiff on defence 50 percent, already we not seeing KJ 50 % of the time, and notice everybody else defending..and the other 50 %if we manage to see him, we seeing every ball lost...irregardless, everybody must be losing the ball, why the Team on defence..is how I used to watch Crouch too ;D
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I agree in general but that first Cardiff goal start with KJ pressuring a defender into a bad pass. He does that kinda thing more than he used to, but he still doh do it very much.
I does wonder if that knee injury affect his comfort with running in some way.
That time he felt bad about giving away the ball needlessly. That does energize yuh. But yes on occasion he does pressure effectively, and he should be picking his moments, but to me he misses some opportunities to hassle defenders in a good spot. Maybe he tired on those occasions. Plus because he has played the lone striker so many times it's more noticeable.
I bet if he had a strike partner to share that workload it wouldn't be noticeable.
Like times when he had Bent, Fuller and Cisse, I never noticed it.
Yes FF on the Bellamy goal KJ gave up on the play as soon as Zaha passed to Bellamy. He should be racing in looking for a loose ball.
How many teams has KJ played with that pressure consistently like that though. If he look around and see help then yes he pressures, but he have to pick his time. It makes no sense he chase the ball by himself aimlessly he will look stupid like this vvv
http://www.youtube.com/v/77W8865KAcA
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All this talk about hustling and pressuring defenders and so on. If I remember correctly, that is how KJ played when he first went and was doing well at Sunderland. Now I see him standing/walking around hands on hips and the goals seem to have dried up. Couple of years back he scored something like 4 goals in 5 games at the end of the season for Stoke. I saw one of those last games, if not the last of the season, and that's the kind of hustle he was displaying. Now, I'm not saying he has to run around like a headless chicken, but I definitely feel like he can put more effort into the game.
To put things another way, the KJ that I enjoyed watching at Sunderland and playing in the 2006 WCQ for T&T is not the same player that I have seen recently playing for Stoke.
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All this talk about hustling and pressuring defenders and so on. If I remember correctly, that is how KJ played when he first went and was doing well at Sunderland. Now I see him standing/walking around hands on hips and the goals seem to have dried up. Couple of years back he scored something like 4 goals in 5 games at the end of the season for Stoke. I saw one of those last games, if not the last of the season, and that's the kind of hustle he was displaying. Now, I'm not saying he has to run around like a headless chicken, but I definitely feel like he can put more effort into the game.
To put things another way, the KJ that I enjoyed watching at Sunderland and playing in the 2006 WCQ for T&T is not the same player that I have seen recently playing for Stoke.
Like I say, I wonder about his knee.
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Like I say, I wonder about his knee.
The man still doing handsprings and backflips like normal.
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All this talk about hustling and pressuring defenders and so on. If I remember correctly, that is how KJ played when he first went and was doing well at Sunderland. Now I see him standing/walking around hands on hips and the goals seem to have dried up. Couple of years back he scored something like 4 goals in 5 games at the end of the season for Stoke. I saw one of those last games, if not the last of the season, and that's the kind of hustle he was displaying. Now, I'm not saying he has to run around like a headless chicken, but I definitely feel like he can put more effort into the game.
To put things another way, the KJ that I enjoyed watching at Sunderland and playing in the 2006 WCQ for T&T is not the same player that I have seen recently playing for Stoke.
Guys, KJ just can't go off on his own and pressure the ball. Not saying that he ain't lazy, but at the same time we have to take into consideration team tactics.
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Jones' debut delight
cardiffcity.co.uk
Debutant striker Kenwyne Jones was delighted to make an instant impact for the Bluebirds after scoring the winning goal in a vital 2-1 win over Norwich.
Making his debut following his January move from Stoke City last week, Jones quickly established a relationship with Cardiff City fans by guiding home his 51st minute strike, before showing his delight with an incredibly acrobatic celebration.
Speaking following a Cardiff City Stadium inaugeration to remember, Jones said: "I'm very happy. First of all happy for the team to get three points, we had to dig deep after Norwich scored so early.
"The team was naturally a bit down after they scored, but we showed great character and belief to come out in the second half and do the business. It was important for us to come out here and lift the crowd and get the three points to start lifting us up the table.
"I'm happy for myself personally for scoring, first of all to be playing football again and again I can't really explain how happy I am. I've made a bit of a reputation to score on my debut and I'm pleased to have continued that."
The Bluebirds impressively turned around a one goal deficit with two quickfire goals early in the second half, with 'keeper David Marshall also helping to claim all three points with a string of match winning saves as the Canaries pushed for parity.
It was a performance not lost on Jones, who has quickly adjusted to life in South Wales and his new Cardiff City teammates.
"Marshall has been brilliant, not just today but all season," said Jones. "I'm sure he'll continue to go from strength to strength.
"Craig Noone is an exciting player and Zaha has made a name for himself. They're here to express their abilities - they certainly did today and hopefully they can continue to do that and of course provide that service to the frontmen."
As for Jones, a debut goal and first win as a Cardiff City player proved to be the icing on the cake for a man now looking to cement his place in the starting-11 and play regular Premier League football once again.
"It was a pretty easy decision for me to come here," said the Trinidad & Tobago frontman. "You want to play football. There's not much fun about sitting on the bench, you want to be back out there playing and I was delighted to make my debut today.
"Today was a beautiful day. We know there's a long way to go yet and there's plenty of points to still pick up. Now we have to start focusing on the next game because that's all important."
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Like I say, I wonder about his knee.
The man still doing handsprings and backflips like normal.
Lol, true. I've just read a lot about how that kinda injury affects running speed, etc. I ain't take acrobatics into account.
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All this talk about hustling and pressuring defenders and so on. If I remember correctly, that is how KJ played when he first went and was doing well at Sunderland. Now I see him standing/walking around hands on hips and the goals seem to have dried up. Couple of years back he scored something like 4 goals in 5 games at the end of the season for Stoke. I saw one of those last games, if not the last of the season, and that's the kind of hustle he was displaying. Now, I'm not saying he has to run around like a headless chicken, but I definitely feel like he can put more effort into the game.
To put things another way, the KJ that I enjoyed watching at Sunderland and playing in the 2006 WCQ for T&T is not the same player that I have seen recently playing for Stoke.
Like I say, I wonder about his knee.
1. even at his best, the guy was not prolific. His most amount of goals in the Prem. was 10...with 25 starts, 4 subs, and a out & out target man, 5 years ago..now he is 5, 3 with 1 goal..and pass thru not just near career ending injury, but personal life changing events, and over the last couple years, what he percieves a lot of Diss.. sure every player in the world could possibly play better and do more..but every player is no Messi or Pele or the same.. this is Kenwyne Jones..and if he can give more and be better and the fans, coach and team can drive him to such, sure Hallelijuah..but if through all his issues, he mentally, and phsically up to that...i taking that to..cause I glad he still getting pick to show that we still on the map..I think him, Yorke, Stern as the few Nationals who play in Premiership, on the long term, leave a thought of TT in the game, more than our team going to WC..which gradually boiling down to just a statistic - to the ppl who willing to give us any kinda money for football.. They would quicker give say a Winchester a trial, because of the memory of those guys, rather than TT going to the WC..So play KJ play is what I saying
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Cardiff matchwinner Jones takes swipe at Stoke
tribalfootball.com
Kenwyne Jones was delighted to prove Cardiff City's matchwinner on debut against Norwich City.
Jones fired a parting shot at former club Stoke City for their treatment of him before his departure.
He said: “What I can say is that no one from the club can ever say I was a miscreant or disrespectful or even on strike, as they would like to put it.
“The main reason for it was for my voice to be heard because they didn’t want to pay attention to me. That is all I needed to do.
“I did not want to disrupt the squad or disrespect the manager or anything like that. Clubs have to come out and say what they have to keep fans on their side so I have no problem with that.
“My thing is I am happy but in the end I got heard and I am here now.”
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Cardiff matchwinner Jones takes swipe at Stoke
tribalfootball.com
Kenwyne Jones was delighted to prove Cardiff City's matchwinner on debut against Norwich City.
Jones fired a parting shot at former club Stoke City for their treatment of him before his departure.
He said: “What I can say is that no one from the club can ever say I was a miscreant or disrespectful or even on strike, as they would like to put it.
“The main reason for it was for my voice to be heard because they didn’t want to pay attention to me. That is all I needed to do.
“I did not want to disrupt the squad or disrespect the manager or anything like that. Clubs have to come out and say what they have to keep fans on their side so I have no problem with that.
“My thing is I am happy but in the end I got heard and I am here now.”
on the headline ah say "Oh Nooo"...after reading ... :applause: :applause:
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All this talk about hustling and pressuring defenders and so on. If I remember correctly, that is how KJ played when he first went and was doing well at Sunderland. Now I see him standing/walking around hands on hips and the goals seem to have dried up. Couple of years back he scored something like 4 goals in 5 games at the end of the season for Stoke. I saw one of those last games, if not the last of the season, and that's the kind of hustle he was displaying. Now, I'm not saying he has to run around like a headless chicken, but I definitely feel like he can put more effort into the game.
To put things another way, the KJ that I enjoyed watching at Sunderland and playing in the 2006 WCQ for T&T is not the same player that I have seen recently playing for Stoke.
Guys, KJ just can't go off on his own and pressure the ball. Not saying that he ain't lazy, but at the same time we have to take into consideration team tactics.
Hence the "headless chicken" comment.
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Kenwyne Jones’ performance named as one of the best January transfer player debuts
http://www.givemesport.com/427433-the-best-january-transfer-player-debuts
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Swansea are ripe for the picking after sacking their manager.
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Hughes moving on from Jones row
sport.co.uk
Stoke manager Mark Hughes claims his squad has been strengthened since Kenwyne Jones left and wants to draw a line under the striker's controversial departure.
Jones joined Cardiff in a swap deal involving Peter Odemwingie last week after a troubled final month at the Britannia Stadium.
The Trinidad and Tobago international was fined two weeks' wages by Stoke after making himself unavailable for the Barclays Premier League game against Liverpool on January 12.
Jones, who had fallen down the Potters pecking order, has insisted he was not on strike or trying to cause trouble, but making a stand to force a decision about his future.
Hughes said: "Kenwyne was frustrated because he wasn't playing. I said at the time I didn't think it was the correct way to go about it.
"He will say he was justified because he got a move and a longer contract.
"He has moved on, we have moved on. I still felt he had a role here, but that wasn't to be. We made the move that was correct for Stoke City.
"Kenwyne is no longer a Stoke player, so I don't particularly need to speak about him.
"We wish him well but we'll try to get on with what we're trying to do.
"When you enter a (transfer) window, the key is at the end of it you want to be better than you were when you entered it.
"I think we are in better shape now than we were at the beginning."
Hughes, at a press conference to preview Saturday's game at Southampton, was responding to comments from Jones suggesting he did not regret his actions.
"The main reason was for my voice to be heard because they didn't want to pay attention to me," 29-year-old Jones, who struck on debut for Cardiff last weekend, was quoted as saying. "That's all I needed.
"I didn't want to disrupt the squad, disrespect the manager or anything."
Hughes feels his team have benefited from the part-exchange with Cardiff, with Odemwingie showing versatility by making his debut in a wide role in last weekend's defeat of Manchester United.
Odemwingie himself has had difficulties in the past, most notably his spectacular fall-out with West Brom last season.
But after the Nigerian failed to establish himself at Cardiff, Hughes is confident he can be a real asset for the Potters.
He said: "We are really pleased Peter is with us. He is a good guy and has integrated into the group quickly.
"He has got pace, intelligence and can take care of the football.
"He gives us something we didn't have and I think he is going to have a real effect on us."
Defender Marc Wilson could be doubtful for the game at Southampton after a chest infection while forwards Marko Arnautovic and Jonathan Walters are hoping to overcome knocks.
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"He has got pace, intelligence and can take care of the football.
"He gives us something we didn't have and I think he is going to have a real effect on us."
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Dat sounding like a dig at our boy!
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more like ah dig at dah whole stoke team lol
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"He has got pace, intelligence and can take care of the football.
"He gives us something we didn't have and I think he is going to have a real effect on us."
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Dat sounding like a dig at our boy!
That was a technical f00ck up.
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Cardiff City striker, Kenwyne Jones, sets sights on maximum points vs Swansea
cardiff.co.uk
Last Saturday’s match winner Kenwyne Jones insists focus remains on the task of staying in the Barclays Premier League ahead of Saturday’s South Wales derby against Swansea City.
The January signing from Stoke City made an instant impact for the Bluebirds on his debut last weekend, netting the all important winner against Norwich City to grab a debut goal and three precious Premier League points.
And additional points are the main aim this weekend according to Jones, who is looking forward to a first taste of the local rivalry between both sides involved in the South Wales derby at Liberty Stadium on Saturday.
“Getting the bragging rights over your opponents is a major thing of course. But there’s the added importance on this one - we need the three points to get out of the relegation group,” said Jones, speaking in his pre-match press conference at Cardiff City Stadium.
“For myself and a lot of experienced players in the squad we won’t get overawed by it. The fans can go wild but as a player and as a team we have to focus on playing the game and getting the points because we desperately need them.
“Both teams have their separate situations and in our case I think we need the points more than them. We have to go into the game trying to get those points and to play our own game.”
Three points against Norwich City last weekend were timely to see the Bluebirds close the gap on the teams above them, a victory Jones believes has brought a lift in morale amongst the City squad.
“I think spirits have certainly been lifted after our win last week,” said Kenwyne. “Hopefully we can go from strength to strength this weekend.
“In the position we’re in, we have to believe in our ability and our team. But the only way you pull yourself out of a situation like this is by picking up points and winning games of course.
“We’ve got a decent run coming up this month that gives us a chance to do that, it started last weekend and in many ways Saturday is another opportunity for us to pick up points.”
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Jones wants to punish Swansea
Trinidad Express
Cardiff City and Trinidad and Tobago striker Kenwyne Jones is looking to inflict further misery on Swansea City when the Welsh rivals clash in the Premier League today.
Swansea sacked manager Michael Laudrup this week after a poor run of form that has left them two points above the drop zone, having won one of their last ten league matches.
Cardiff are no strangers to drama themselves this season, with a very public fallout between club owner Vincent Tan and former manager Malky Mackay ending with the Scot being sacked in late December.
They remain in the relegation zone in 19th place, seven places and three points behind their south Wales rivals, and Jones said his side was keen to take advantage of Swansea’s woes and claim three points.
“They are not necessarily vulnerable, but at times you have to be aware that they could be a wounded animal,” said Jones, who joined Cardiff from Stoke City last month and scored on debut in the 2-1 win over Norwich at the weekend.
“They are probably in disarray but come 5.30 p.m. tomorrow we will see what happens,” he told reporters.
“We are trying to inflict as much pain as we can as I believe we need the points more.”
Visitors Cardiff, who won the last meeting between the two at home in November, are looking to become the first team to do a league double over the other in the 102 years that the derby has been played.
“We know that this is a chance to create history,” manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer told the club’s website.
“That’s something that is in the back of everyone’s minds, I’m sure.
“That’s what everyone dreams about—to play and beat their local rivals. That’s especially the case for the local lads in the squad. We’ve had some tough games and we’re looking forward to this one as well.”
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He score one goal and he want to punish, take care he eh get punish heself.
Come on Jonsey,. score more and then talk.
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I think only a newly promoted side would take the chance.
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he showed no hustle or drive today none....none whatsoever ..............too early for dat in fact he to stop it before it too late
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I think only a newly promoted side would take the chance.
Last chance at Cardiff. If he doh show up for them, is straight Burnleys and Brentfords and Watfords to come.
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I think only a newly promoted side would take the chance.
Last chance at Cardiff. If he doh show up for them, is straight Burnleys and Brentfords and Watfords to come.
Burnley might be in the Prem next season, and i dont think KJ could get in their team atm
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He might have a shot at some of the promoted teams, if they play long-ball...
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Love KJ, but he is to lazy. A man his size and age should be in top form running and shooting at everything.
His size is fooling a lot of teams, technically, he is not good.
Sorry, KJ, it hurts me saying this.
But you need to get your act together.
I red on his tweeter page where someone said, after one month everyone will see how lazy you really are.
The guy (Peter) who took his place at Stoke scored yesterday too.
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I t is easier to be critical than to be correct at times- Players as most in everyday jobs do have off days. Is scoring goals the measure of a good performance? at the same time is the lack of perceived involvement and hustle the measure of a player worthy at this level?
Consistent performance or lack there over time will assist in defining the merits of the player but as with many, it is a team game and a system that sometimes brings out the potential in a player. KJ under Hart is a different player under Shabazz.
Peter Odinwin.... playing for Stoke looks different that when he was at Cardiff?
Peter Couch - the lanky unimposing player, appears to be more of an opportunist than an attacking menacing player.- Now for one I eh hang up on the EPL but I do support our players and the teams they are playing for . So until someone sees KJ as the player he is or can be, is one game at a time. Let the man settle down and earn ah living playing ball.
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Love KJ, but he is to lazy. A man his size and age should be in top form running and shooting at everything.
His size is fooling a lot of teams, technically, he is not good.
Sorry, KJ, it hurts me saying this.
But you need to get your act together.
I red on his tweeter page where someone said, after one month everyone will see how lazy you really are.
The guy (Peter) who took his place at Stoke scored yesterday too.
Like you have a lot of experience and knowledge about these things..give us a few examples like who nah ? And while yuh at it, tell us which team they play with, an what type of strategy the team with a man his size utilize.
Also, the player didn't replace Jones, else he most likely won't have seen the field, farless score..but hey, when good things result from any turmoil, everybody can benefit. The only thing I faulting KJ for, after watching yesterday's game is not choosing a more experienced manager or a better team or maybe both at maybe a lower division, however, it may have not been affordable to them either, due to the high salary he is contracted, that nobody didn't force them or hypnotize anybody to pay no damn lazy player...or wait...he fool plenty clubs, fans and newspapers for a long while doh.even if he cyah fool some ah we..
add: Matt Biondi - World class swimmer in the 80s''and 90s"
“Most of the time, people recognize my name first, then me. But as the saying goes, ‘You’re never a hero in your own hometown,’ and I’m just happy being Mr. Biondi, father, math teacher and coach.”
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The only thing I faulting KJ for, after watching yesterday's game is not choosing a more experienced manager or a better team
I wonder if there was any truth to the Everton business. Coulda be filling in for Lukaku all now.
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I think alyuh miss a few things to criticize him on, alyuh didn't see how tight he pants was, and why he have a dread, that probably keeping him back. :banginghead:
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I think alyuh miss a few things to criticize him on, alyuh didn't see how tight he pants was, and why he have a dread, that probably keeping him back. :banginghead:
About time you showed up...
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/filepicker%2FIwhdqkeXSYygeCGRYRkz_captain_save_a_hoe_by_millenia89-d3ct2vj.jpg)
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I think alyuh miss a few things to criticize him on, alyuh didn't see how tight he pants was, and why he have a dread, that probably keeping him back. :banginghead:
About time you showed up...
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/filepicker%2FIwhdqkeXSYygeCGRYRkz_captain_save_a_hoe_by_millenia89-d3ct2vj.jpg)
Is it low tide already?
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My opinion.. I think Ole gunner will be better, he is a student of the game and he cant be no worse than AVB
Cardiff, not KJ was off yesterday. Fabio and Zaha both came off in quick succession after KJ. By Seventy-something they were all off. Personally I liked that move by Ole. If we cant do better then we cant do no worse with the old guard. Well that didnt help either but by then I was tru with it. Cardiff isnt led by KJ but if they want to see some more fire in him, they should give him de Armband.
Impossible I know; he now reach but Cardiff have significant fire in de belly issues! They need a man like Marvin Oliver to bawl at dey ass on de field. (though some times my homie dont know when to stop) Hehe
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Cardiff have significant fire in de belly issues! They need a man like Marvin Oliver to bawl at dey ass on de field.
Dat ain't Craig Bellamy?
And I now read some article where OGS say he consider Bellamy and Kenwyne (and some next fella) to be the leaders on the team.
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The KJ bashing continues :)
Bellamy still have it.
I did rell like Zaha when ManU bought him and couldn't understand why he didn't get more playing time at Manu (instead of the the Ulitmate Diver Ashley Young), but now I know...Zaha could lose a ball jed, waaaayyyy!!!!
Cardiff going down for sure.
I can't wait to see Messi and Neymar in Brazil!!!!
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The KJ bashing continues
And that's all there is to it.
KJ will never be able to please some people no matter wha he do or doh do
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Coming in at #10 on the The top ten laziest footballers of all time.
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/02/10/top-ten-laziest-footballers/
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Coming in at #10 on the The top ten laziest footballers of all time.
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/02/10/top-ten-laziest-footballers/
There aren't many on that list I agree with. Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank is the laziest player I ever saw when he was at Charlton
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Coming in at #10 on the The top ten laziest footballers of all time.
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/02/10/top-ten-laziest-footballers/
There aren't many on that list I agree with. Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank is the laziest player I ever saw when he was at Charlton
Stern did get his fair share of trophies too..but ah must say ah real surprised Le Tessier make the list of foreigners..
Maybe cause technically he's a foreigner too ;D
"Le Tissier was born in Guernsey, and played youth football on the island with Vale Recreation between the ages of seven and sixteen."
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Coming in at #10 on the The top ten laziest footballers of all time.
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/02/10/top-ten-laziest-footballers/
Russell Latapy have to at least be on that list if not be #1
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Coming in at #10 on the The top ten laziest footballers of all time.
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/02/10/top-ten-laziest-footballers/
There aren't many on that list I agree with. Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank is the laziest player I ever saw when he was at Charlton
Stern did get his fair share of trophies too..but ah must say ah real surprised Le Tessier make the list of foreigners..
Maybe cause technically he's a foreigner too ;D
"Le Tissier was born in Guernsey, and played youth football on the island with Vale Recreation between the ages of seven and sixteen."
I thought Le Tessier was a cheap shot. I think "lazy" is relative. Lazy should be not going after it to the fullest of one's ability to go after it. Everybody cyah be a Caniggia.
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Kenwyne make that list purely off Redknapp book. Kenwyne ain't a known enough name in football to be springing to nobody mind for a top 10 list of anything. Except maybe goal celebrations.
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I can't make excuses for this man anymore... giving the ball away so easily, putting wide open headers right at the goal keeper, and now the crowd is groaning for his "running."
I'm trying my best to stay optimistic but maybe he is just lazy... :frustrated:
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I can't make excuses for this man anymore... giving the ball away so easily, putting wide open headers right at the goal keeper, and now the crowd is groaning for his "running."
I'm trying my best to stay optimistic but maybe he is just lazy... :frustrated:
What can I say...but agree :frustrated: . That effort tonight was so frustrating to watch. He's lost something and for the vast majority of all his three cardiff games his overall effort has been poor. When he works hard its so obvious as is the results = largely positive. Sadly that is the exception rather than the norm.
Ah dont like bashin him but he is either unfit, demotivated or as you said just plain lazy. Kenwyne better improve soon or them Cardiff supporters will be hatin on him just like the Sunderland and Stoke fans.
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Man get pull down blatant in the box and no call, alyuh does only see what alyuh want. Look haul alyuh arse and go cheering on useless Rooney and ChiChi man nah. CuddasMunt.
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Man get pull down blatant in the box and no call, alyuh does only see what alyuh want. Look haul alyuh arse and go cheering on useless Rooney and ChiChi man nah. CuddasMunt.
lol. Pablo jess stop talkin nah caw it eh go change, yuh eh see I stop. Everything negative is always the highlight of discussion when it comes to KJ. If he walk back he lazy and doh run, meanwhile other men doing de exact same flekkin ting and nobody sees. Last game Zaha llok like he was tryin to give away every single ball. Whole team play shit buh who get single out lol.
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Man get pull down blatant in the box and no call, alyuh does only see what alyuh want. Look haul alyuh arse and go cheering on useless Rooney and ChiChi man nah. CuddasMunt.
lol. Pablo jess stop talkin nah caw it eh go change, yuh eh see I stop. Everything negative is always the highlight of discussion when it comes to KJ. If he walk back he lazy and doh run, meanwhile other men doing de exact same flekkin ting and nobody sees. Last game Zaha llok like he was tryin to give away every single ball. Whole team play shit buh who get single out lol.
Hatahs gonna hate >:( :)
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Allyuh feel we care about Zaha and whoever? I don't. Jones is muh countryman and who I want to improve.
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Allyuh feel we care about Zaha and whoever? I don't. Jones is muh countryman and who I want to improve.
Wanting him to improve is great but you can't measure him differently than the team or system he plays within. You can't single out his laziness while ignoring the other players because it may be reflective of the culture within that team environment. You can analyze his performance and say it was shit while all others play shit too because then it was collective and not individual. Then we wonder why whenever anybody mentions the site he pulls away and want nothing to do with it?
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Allyuh feel we care about Zaha and whoever? I don't. Jones is muh countryman and who I want to improve.
Wanting him to improve is great but you can't measure him differently than the team or system he plays within. You can't single out his laziness while ignoring the other players because it may be reflective of the culture within that team environment. You can analyze his performance and say it was shit while all others play shit too because then it was collective and not individual. Then we wonder why whenever anybody mentions the site he pulls away and want nothing to do with it?
I agree Cardiff's team as a whole (not just Jones) aren't performing - thats pretty obivious. However I disagree with your reasons for why we should'nt make negative comments on his current performances. Happens all the time - what makes Jones get ah pass? But forget about me, what KJ and all who cant see anything wrong with his recent play should be concerned about are what his current club and their fans think.
I dont think many of the Fans of Sunderland, Stoke and a small but growing number of cardiff fans agree with your assessment either.
Also I don't think this site or members of this site should be concerned if KJ dosent like comments made about him on here. This aint his Fan site!
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Allyuh feel we care about Zaha and whoever? I don't. Jones is muh countryman and who I want to improve.
Wanting him to improve is great but you can't measure him differently than the team or system he plays within. You can't single out his laziness while ignoring the other players because it may be reflective of the culture within that team environment. You can analyze his performance and say it was shit while all others play shit too because then it was collective and not individual. Then we wonder why whenever anybody mentions the site he pulls away and want nothing to do with it?
I agree Cardiff's team as a whole (not just Jones) aren't performing - thats pretty obivious. However I disagree with your reasons for why we should'nt make negative comments on his current performances. Happens all the time - what makes Jones get ah pass? But forget about me, what KJ and all who cant see anything wrong with his recent play should be concerned about are what his current club and their fans think.
I dont think many of the Fans of Sunderland, Stoke and a small but growing number of cardiff fans agree with your assessment either.
Also I don't think this site or members of this site should be concerned if KJ dosent like comments made about him on here. This aint his Fan site!
I not saying he gets a pass. He has flaws and we kno what they are, they aren't new or rececently developed habits. Funny thing about KJ, man use to rag on him because he half decent fuh club but "doesn't show up" fuh TnT. The arguments used to be I eh care what he doing fuh club buh instead wha he do when he wear the RWB. Now that he has put together a consistent run for country and that avenue closed for now, is back to he poor first touch, he cah hold up ball, he cah dis he cah dat an de odda. Is ah good ting he is we own oui.
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Wanting him to improve is great but you can't measure him differently than the team or system he plays within. You can't single out his laziness while ignoring the other players because it may be reflective of the culture within that team environment. You can analyze his performance and say it was shit while all others play shit too because then it was collective and not individual. Then we wonder why whenever anybody mentions the site he pulls away and want nothing to do with it?
So Kenwyne has had the misfortune of playing on teams with lazy cultural environments? Because the "lazy" tag has dogged him since his days at So'ton.
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Wanting him to improve is great but you can't measure him differently than the team or system he plays within. You can't single out his laziness while ignoring the other players because it may be reflective of the culture within that team environment. You can analyze his performance and say it was shit while all others play shit too because then it was collective and not individual. Then we wonder why whenever anybody mentions the site he pulls away and want nothing to do with it?
So Kenwyne has had the misfortune of playing on teams with lazy cultural environments? Because the "lazy" tag has dogged him since his days at So'ton.
No he has played on shitty teams. Sunderland were a better team with Him and Bent up front than they are today. Stoke was a better team when he was the starter. Cardiff is a team that is lacking in positive morale. Not even you with yuh anti KJ glasses could dispute any of these things. Crouch who many here including you seemed to believe is better than him, and despite his great touches has never improved the Stoke brand nor their positioning in the table.
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No he has played on shitty teams. Sunderland were a better team with Him and Bent up front than they are today. Stoke was a better team when he was the starter. Cardiff is a team that is lacking in positive morale. Not even you with yuh anti KJ glasses could dispute any of these things. Crouch who many here including you seemed to believe is better than him, and despite his great touches has never improved the Stoke brand nor their positioning in the table.
Lol... nah man it not dat bad. I not anti-Kenwyne... no more. I was after the shit he pull in Tennessee saying he eh care about we on here, but I overs that now. I want to see him do well, but he eh helping heself. Everybody but you and Elan saying as much. Strikers have to have awareness and movement, that is how you pull and stretch the defense. Yuh can't post up in a 10-yard radius near the top of the box and expect perfect pass to come meet yuh. Say what yuh want about Crouch and he beanpole self, the man control and touches are excellent, especially fuh a man 6'7 or 6'10 whatever he is. Plus he attacks every cross in the box like is his birhtright, and the defender trying to rob him of it. I don't see that hunger and desire in Kenwyne. With Kenwyne, every effort feels more like "ah trying ah t'ing here..."
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Man, I found on a few occasions where KJ was the last one to run back onside or lost d ball because he took to long to pass the ball. Frazier Campbell ran his socks off and caused mayhem on a couple of occasions, making KJ looked like a pedestrian. In all, he needs to play better.
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Keep in mind too that most of Kenwyne season so far is bench. So he eh necessarily match sharp at the moment.
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He need to cut dat rass, a bush bath and some hard calpet
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Doh worry at Man United the players not performing up to par is the manager's fault but once KJ eh performing is because he lazy. That mentality from the islanders fore-parents that beaten into many of y'all brain that's keeps you from understanding truly how the masses put forth societal ideas and the acceptance of those, will continue to permeate as long as you do not smell the shit that they rubbing in your nose and telling you it's Impulse.
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Doh worry at Man United the players not performing up to par is the manager's fault but once KJ eh performing is because he lazy. That mentality from the islanders fore-parents that beaten into many of y'all brain that's keeps you from understanding truly how the masses put forth societal ideas and the acceptance of those, will continue to permeate as long as you do not smell the shit that they rubbing in your nose and telling you it's Impulse.
Elan stop talking shit... this is no racist canard that has been passed down by the white man that people lapping up. Every club Kenwyne has been at the same complaint pops up, about his attitude and committment. They don't say it about other black players, they don't say it about other Caribbean players... why only Kenwyne?
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Allyuh feel we care about Zaha and whoever? I don't. Jones is muh countryman and who I want to improve.
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Wanting him to improve is great but you can't measure him differently than the team or system he plays within. You can't single out his laziness while ignoring the other players because it may be reflective of the culture within that team environment. You can analyze his performance and say it was shit while all others play shit too because then it was collective and not individual. Then we wonder why whenever anybody mentions the site he pulls away and want nothing to do with it?
The other players not lazy, they just shitty. Plus KJ now reach, how could he be affected by any culture in the team?
KJ is not being measured differently by me but he certainly gets more scrutiny from me. You see any other players who should be called out as lazy?
I agree with Dinner Mints, KJ may not be match fit.
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I had some time so I transcribed most of KJ's first half activity vs Swansea.
05:19 helps out and wins a ball, involved in a few touches and Cardiff keep the ball
10:59 Fruitless chase after a forward pass
12:12 Heavily marked as Bellamy breaks forward
13:00 Header off target from Bellamy's cross. Did well to get in front of Chico
15:00 Lost the ball and gave up
18:18 Zaha breaks but Jones didn't know where to stand. Play breaks down and Zaha chases his own pass intended for Jones
21:00 Gets pulled down wins free kick
21:40 wins header
23:40 half chance had to stretch but good positioning on a pass from Bellamy. The defender did well
27:00 Poor simple return pass to Kim
27:17 Gives chase after Dyer down the line
28:30 knocks down but loses a long ball
28:38 tackled by Dyer
31:10 completes pass to Fabio
31:18 makes a decent forward pass but the winger doesn't chase. Looking frustrated
32:54 Can't reach a long ball, bad pass, gives a thumbs up still
38:55 Challenges a long ball
41:06 wins long ball flicks on perfectly to Kim
44:27 perfectly heads a difficult long ball to Kim
44:30 turns right into a Swansea player but wins a throw
46:00 knocks down a long ball to Bellamy
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Elan stop talking shit... this is no racist canard that has been passed down by the white man that people lapping up. Every club Kenwyne has been at the same complaint pops up, about his attitude and committment. They don't say it about other black players, they don't say it about other Caribbean players... why only Kenwyne?
Disagree bout this actually. 'Lazy' is still a tag that gets attached to black players very quickly. I does visit some of these forums where half of dem calling some player lazy and de other half calling the first half racist. It is very much a perception that still exists. I see men arguing bout Altidore being lazy just a few weeks ago. I see man calling Benteke lazy. I remember Scotty used to get call lazy at Swansea while banging goals.
As for Kenwyne, I doh think is so much that he lazy on the field. But he have a way, without the ball, of just kinda standing up or strolling while everybody else bouncing on they toes. He, in fact, does cover real ground. But off de ball is like he liming. Yuh could imagine him daydreaming until is his turn to do something.
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Disagree bout this actually. 'Lazy' is still a tag that gets attached to black players very quickly. I does visit some of these forums where half of dem calling some player lazy and de other half calling the first half racist. It is very much a perception that still exists. I see men arguing bout Altidore being lazy just a few weeks ago. I see man calling Benteke lazy. I remember Scotty used to get call lazy at Swansea while banging goals.
As for Kenwyne, I doh think is so much that he lazy on the field. But he have a way, without the ball, of just kinda standing up or strolling while everybody else bouncing on they toes. He, in fact, does cover real ground. But off de ball is like he liming. Yuh could imagine him daydreaming until is his turn to do something.
Do they call them lazy because they are black? Or is it a coincidence that the players in question happen to be black? To support your statement, and the earlier assertion that it's because KJ is black/Caribbean, one would have to show a consistency of application of the label. Is Maynor Figueroa called "lazy"? Raheem Sterling? Is Carlos called lazy? Was Yorke? For non-Caribbean players... anyone call Ramirez lazy? Simply pointing out isolated comments directed at black players isn't itself evidence that black players get tagged with the "lazy" label. Similarly, pointing out persistent comments about a handful of black players isn't evidence either.
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Disagree bout this actually. 'Lazy' is still a tag that gets attached to black players very quickly. I does visit some of these forums where half of dem calling some player lazy and de other half calling the first half racist. It is very much a perception that still exists. I see men arguing bout Altidore being lazy just a few weeks ago. I see man calling Benteke lazy. I remember Scotty used to get call lazy at Swansea while banging goals.
As for Kenwyne, I doh think is so much that he lazy on the field. But he have a way, without the ball, of just kinda standing up or strolling while everybody else bouncing on they toes. He, in fact, does cover real ground. But off de ball is like he liming. Yuh could imagine him daydreaming until is his turn to do something.
Do they call them lazy because they are black? Or is it a coincidence that the players in question happen to be black? To support your statement, and the earlier assertion that it's because KJ is black/Caribbean, one would have to show a consistency of application of the label. Is Maynor Figueroa called "lazy"? Raheem Sterling? Is Carlos called lazy? Was Yorke? For non-Caribbean players... anyone call Ramirez lazy? Simply pointing out isolated comments directed at black players isn't itself evidence that black players get tagged with the "lazy" label. Similarly, pointing out persistent comments about a handful of black players isn't evidence either.
I'm pointing out conversations taking place among people who know better than either of us. Who live amongst it and understand their own culture. The labeling of black players as 'lazy' is enough of an issue that it's still a regular argument among English fans themselves.
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Disagree bout this actually. 'Lazy' is still a tag that gets attached to black players very quickly. I does visit some of these forums where half of dem calling some player lazy and de other half calling the first half racist. It is very much a perception that still exists. I see men arguing bout Altidore being lazy just a few weeks ago. I see man calling Benteke lazy. I remember Scotty used to get call lazy at Swansea while banging goals.
As for Kenwyne, I doh think is so much that he lazy on the field. But he have a way, without the ball, of just kinda standing up or strolling while everybody else bouncing on they toes. He, in fact, does cover real ground. But off de ball is like he liming. Yuh could imagine him daydreaming until is his turn to do something.
Do they call them lazy because they are black? Or is it a coincidence that the players in question happen to be black? To support your statement, and the earlier assertion that it's because KJ is black/Caribbean, one would have to show a consistency of application of the label. Is Maynor Figueroa called "lazy"? Raheem Sterling? Is Carlos called lazy? Was Yorke? For non-Caribbean players... anyone call Ramirez lazy? Simply pointing out isolated comments directed at black players isn't itself evidence that black players get tagged with the "lazy" label. Similarly, pointing out persistent comments about a handful of black players isn't evidence either.
I'm pointing out conversations taking place among people who know better than either of us. Who live amongst it and understand their own culture. The labeling of black players as 'lazy' is enough of an issue that it's still a regular argument among English fans themselves.
The most common and lazy stereotype amongst 'journalists' is to label and black players as "powerful", not sure about the lazy stereotype.
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Doh worry at Man United the players not performing up to par is the manager's fault but once KJ eh performing is because he lazy. That mentality from the islanders fore-parents that beaten into many of y'all brain that's keeps you from understanding truly how the masses put forth societal ideas and the acceptance of those, will continue to permeate as long as you do not smell the shit that they rubbing in your nose and telling you it's Impulse.
Elan stop talking shit... this is no racist canard that has been passed down by the white man that people lapping up. Every club Kenwyne has been at the same complaint pops up, about his attitude and committment. They don't say it about other black players, they don't say it about other Caribbean players... why only Kenwyne?
Never said anything about racism and that was directed to more than just KJ.
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He not match fit, once you not fit it will affect your overall game, your touch your passing and overall concentration and commitment. He sat on the bench for 80% of the season. He will need a run of about 5 games on the trot to get that sharpness, i just hoped he could tap in a goal or two to keep the initial pressure of the transfer off. If the team management is worth their grain of salt they should recognize this and either put him on a special fitness program but they need to give him the chance to get match fit.
The problem is that with a team like Cardiff they need instant success to help their position, both them and KJ are running a race against time.
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Disagree bout this actually. 'Lazy' is still a tag that gets attached to black players very quickly. I does visit some of these forums where half of dem calling some player lazy and de other half calling the first half racist. It is very much a perception that still exists. I see men arguing bout Altidore being lazy just a few weeks ago. I see man calling Benteke lazy. I remember Scotty used to get call lazy at Swansea while banging goals.
As for Kenwyne, I doh think is so much that he lazy on the field. But he have a way, without the ball, of just kinda standing up or strolling while everybody else bouncing on they toes. He, in fact, does cover real ground. But off de ball is like he liming. Yuh could imagine him daydreaming until is his turn to do something.
Do they call them lazy because they are black? Or is it a coincidence that the players in question happen to be black? To support your statement, and the earlier assertion that it's because KJ is black/Caribbean, one would have to show a consistency of application of the label. Is Maynor Figueroa called "lazy"? Raheem Sterling? Is Carlos called lazy? Was Yorke? For non-Caribbean players... anyone call Ramirez lazy? Simply pointing out isolated comments directed at black players isn't itself evidence that black players get tagged with the "lazy" label. Similarly, pointing out persistent comments about a handful of black players isn't evidence either.
I'm pointing out conversations taking place among people who know better than either of us. Who live amongst it and understand their own culture. The labeling of black players as 'lazy' is enough of an issue that it's still a regular argument among English fans themselves.
The most common and lazy stereotype amongst 'journalists' is to label and black players as "powerful", not sure about the lazy stereotype.
Lol, 'pace and power.' Yeah. And commentators have a tendency to call them 'boy' which doesn't sit well with me. He's a strong boy, etc.
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Check this though......
Criticism of well-worked Giroud is unfair (http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/arsenal/id/3385?cc=5901)
And if one player's performance divided opinion in Arsenal's draw with Manchester United, it was Giroud.
Arsenal's best chances fell to Giroud, and he narrowly headed wide and also failed to convert Bacary Sagna's right-wing cross in the second half. But Giroud showed terrific strength in the first half, bullied United defender Nemanja Vidic (which takes some doing) and really put in a shift.
I thought Giroud had a good first half but faded later on yet was still one of Arsenal's better players. However, strikers will always be judged on goals, and Giroud has not scored in Arsenal's last three games.
But he has 14 goals in all competitions this season. If he takes that to the 20 mark by the end of the campaign, then I can't see how you can knock a 20-goal striker. The problem is, rather in keeping with Arsenal, Giroud did not deliver in a game they absolutely needed to win.
Their season isn't over after drawing with United, but it was a missed opportunity to claim top spot in the Premier League. It was also a missed opportunity when it came to restoring some much needed confidence.
Now Arsenal face Liverpool on Sunday in the FA Cup and then Bayern Munich in the Champions League on the back of a little wobble when victory over United would have been just the lift they needed. That's why Arsenal fans were left frustrated, though booing at the final whistle seemed incredibly harsh.
It was a draw with the champions -- and maybe that is a damning indictment of how far United have fallen that a club like Arsenal is disappointed not to beat them. Until recently, a draw was a good result against United. So there has to be a scapegoat. On Twitter and among the regulars at the Emirates, Giroud is a popular target. You either love him or, well, not quite hate him, but you get the idea.
I think Giroud is having a terrific season. He has improved so much, and it's not his fault that he is not Luis Suarez, the player Arsenal tried to sign last summer. In fact, they also went for Gonzalo Higuain who, again, is a contrast in styles. They could have complemented each other; Higuain would have been competition and backup. And vice versa.
Instead, Arsenal have been left relying so much on Giroud. He deserves a medal for playing so many games -- many of them when he's been tired and below his best. He's needed a break.
He will never have electric pace or be a prolific striker. He will, however, do a really good job for the team, score regularly and lay on assists.
So don't knock Giroud. Knock the lack of a backup. Nicklas Bendtner was out of favour for a long time. Yaya Sanogo has been out injured for most of the season. Theo Walcott is now out injured.
Giroud will have to carry on carrying the title campaign on his shoulders. So it is time to support him rather than pick fault. He's a good striker.
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....and you know what Bakes, you may be right. Racism is a big part of it as I start putting my thoughts together. Watching the defense of Giroud and the celebration of of Suarez, with the understanding for Rooney in contrast to the demonizing of ....wait for it..........Balotelli.
I think you may be right.
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....and you know what Bakes, you may be right. Racism is a big part of it as I start putting my thoughts together. Watching the defense of Giroud and the celebration of of Suarez, with the understanding for Rooney in contrast to the demonizing of ....wait for it..........Balotelli.
I think you may be right.
I can't even take you seriously. I hope you not trying to make that comparison between Kenwyne and Giroud with a straight face.
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....and you know what Bakes, you may be right. Racism is a big part of it as I start putting my thoughts together. Watching the defense of Giroud and the celebration of of Suarez, with the understanding for Rooney in contrast to the demonizing of ....wait for it..........Balotelli.
I think you may be right.
I can't even take you seriously. I hope you not trying to make that comparison between Kenwyne and Giroud with a straight face.
I know I can't cause as was established, KJ is just plain Lazy
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I know I can't cause as was established, KJ is just plain Lazy
Try yuh best and focus... yuh never hear me say that Kenwyne was "lazy" so I don't know who that lazy talk was intended for. We are talking about the ridiculous comparison you're trying to make between the treatment of Kenwyne and Giroud. Giroud is being defended by an Arsenal writer, because in his mind (and I agree) Giroud has performed since he's been at Arsenal... the worst you could say about him is that he's been inconsistent. Kenwyne has failed to perform... period! Went an entire calendar year without scoring, barely impressing in his time on the pitch. You earn playing time on the practice field... and yes, delivering during games. If he's not getting in games then that's a good sign that the manager isn't impressed with what he's offering in practice. Maybe there's a reason why the "lazy" label has been following him from stop to stop.
To hear you tell it... the defense of Giroud, who actually has 14 goals this season... is because he's white.
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I know I can't cause as was established, KJ is just plain Lazy
Try yuh best and focus... yuh never hear me say that Kenwyne was "lazy" so I don't know who that lazy talk was intended for. We are talking about the ridiculous comparison you're trying to make between the treatment of Kenwyne and Giroud. Giroud is being defended by an Arsenal writer, because in his mind (and I agree) Giroud has performed since he's been at Arsenal... the worst you could say about him is that he's been inconsistent. Kenwyne has failed to perform... period! Went an entire calendar year without scoring, barely impressing in his time on the pitch. You earn playing time on the practice field... and yes, delivering during games. If he's not getting in games then that's a good sign that the manager isn't impressed with what he's offering in practice. Maybe there's a reason why the "lazy" label has been following him from stop to stop.
To hear you tell it... the defense of Giroud, who actually has 14 goals this season... is because he's white.
Careful yuh bump into that table behind you.
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Seriously we can't compare KJ to Giroud because Giroud has started 30 games and sub in for 2 this season and scored 13 goals. Arsenal attack goes through him. He is their go to man with consistent service designed for him to score goals.
KJ has in all competition (club and country) this season started 14 games, sub in 4 and scored 8 goals
For Cardiff he' started 3 scored 1 in the EPL
For Stoke in the EPL 4 starts 3 subs 0 goals
For Stoke in the Capital Cup he started 1 and sub in 1 with 4 goals
For Stoke in the FA Cup 1 start 1 goal
18 games in a calendar seasonal year, 18.
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KJ not included, some starters are on the bench for the cup game.
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I blame KJ for that goal. So lazy he not even on the bench. ::)
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KJ is cup tied. He not eligible.
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Well the results are in..
KJ may be to weak a player to help Cardiff, but a KJ-less Cardiff eh beatin nobody, so far :devil:
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Peter Odemwingie scoring in every game for Stoke really makes KJ look bad.
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Peter Odemwingie scoring in every game for Stoke really makes KJ look bad.
??? ??? ??? ::) :rotfl: :rotfl:
He's not that wrong....to us it doesn't because we are looking at it closely since we are a fan of KJ and want him to do well and care about the environment he's in etc etc...
But to the average fan, they see that Peter comes in for KJ and starts scoring, than obviously Peter was the answer and not KJ.
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Peter Odemwingie scoring in every game for Stoke really makes KJ look bad.
??? ??? ??? ::) :rotfl: :rotfl:
He's not that wrong....to us it doesn't because we are looking at it closely since we are a fan of KJ and want him to do well and care about the environment he's in etc etc...
But to the average fan, they see that Peter comes in for KJ and starts scoring, than obviously Peter was the answer and not KJ.
Peter being the answer, not KJ, means KJ looking bad ? so if KJ is the best TriNI in a European Top league... what that say bout Trini players if they best so bad boy ? and here's another one...what good for Peter, may not be good for KJ...one more question...who Odemwingie really replace, since KJ was vexing for so much benching at Stoke ? take Messi put him to play with Canada, and see if he will be world player of the year nah....but a De Rosario might do very well .. Does that mean De Rosario better than Messi..
Rudy Gay, a top scorer, big money player in the league..Raptors trade him and start winning...
I am not saying KJ is no big player, or best player..i just wondering if KJ got a fair amount of development and a decent opportunity to improve further..at his best, he was replaced by Crouch..I don't know his situation now, or why OSG is employing the strategy of players in front of KJ..he must have his reasons...maybe KJ carrying something, maybe he don't train properly..maybe he to lazy..maybe he only studying gyul, I don't know.not sure I care...but football wise, I think KJ better than a couple players I presently see starting for Cardiff.. If anybody think differently, nothing wrong with that...maybe I just a bias fan of anybody from my country..
So if KJ bad...imagine how dey go feel about a non-playing bias supporter of a BAD player, like me.. do I really care how they feel about KJ..or me, or anybody from TT for that matter ? no ..so I had to laugh
add: I does just hope he go get a run..have a decent game..so they could say the words Trinidad & Tobago, in most cases a positive light..rather than hear bout some negative travel advisory to avoid the place
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Well KJ making the matchday squads compared to some of OGS other signings, Zaha havin bench time too and Mats Daehli. Only Fabio and Cala starting. OGS still looking for his team and KJ will get his chance again soon
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Peter Odemwingie scoring in every game for Stoke really makes KJ look bad.
??? ??? ??? ::) :rotfl: :rotfl:
He's not that wrong....to us it doesn't because we are looking at it closely since we are a fan of KJ and want him to do well and care about the environment he's in etc etc...
But to the average fan, they see that Peter comes in for KJ and starts scoring, than obviously Peter was the answer and not KJ.
KJ had to be playing for someone to replace him. Try again.
I wonder if Altidore will be in JK Brazil bound team.
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The no-vote is prevailing, but it might be that some would have voted "maybe" if the option existed.
A clue to this can be found by examining the attacking staff at the clubs likely to be promoted ...
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6. Odemwingie - Jones swap was Hughes’ masterstroke
There are not many managers who, having rid themselves of a problem striker like Kenwyne Jones, would then have signed someone potentially as disruptive as Peter Odemwingie. Mark Hughes’ decision to do so is one of the reasons Stoke are on course for their highest Premier League points total (previously 47). Odemwingie’s winner against Hull was his fifth goal since arriving from Cardiff in a swap for Jones. Stoke have lost only one of their last eight games with Odemwingie in the side. Jones has managed one goal for Cardiff. He did not feature on Saturday.
Independent.co.uk (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/six-things-we-learnt-from-the-premier-league-this-weekend-alan-pardews-dressingroom-return-not-such-a-happy-one-peter-odemwingie--kenwyne-jones-swap-was-mark-hughes-masterstroke-life-at-the-bottoms-a-real-laugh-for-pepe-mel-and-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-grey-man-michu-puts-some-colour-in-swansea-cheeks-mats-moller-daehli-provides-relief-for-resting-relegation-rivals-can-david-moyes-pick-juan-mata-wayne-rooney-and-robin-van-persie-in-the-same-lineup-9224512.html)
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6. Odemwingie - Jones swap was Hughes’ masterstroke
There are not many managers who, having rid themselves of a problem striker like Kenwyne Jones, would then have signed someone potentially as disruptive as Peter Odemwingie. Mark Hughes’ decision to do so is one of the reasons Stoke are on course for their highest Premier League points total (previously 47). Odemwingie’s winner against Hull was his fifth goal since arriving from Cardiff in a swap for Jones. Stoke have lost only one of their last eight games with Odemwingie in the side. Jones has managed one goal for Cardiff. He did not feature on Saturday.
Independent.co.uk (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/six-things-we-learnt-from-the-premier-league-this-weekend-alan-pardews-dressingroom-return-not-such-a-happy-one-peter-odemwingie--kenwyne-jones-swap-was-mark-hughes-masterstroke-life-at-the-bottoms-a-real-laugh-for-pepe-mel-and-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-grey-man-michu-puts-some-colour-in-swansea-cheeks-mats-moller-daehli-provides-relief-for-resting-relegation-rivals-can-david-moyes-pick-juan-mata-wayne-rooney-and-robin-van-persie-in-the-same-lineup-9224512.html)
Agree, but does anybody else notice someone else, a more regular starter, missing from the side ? Nooo...no mention, can't be that..he was the hardest worker on the team.
KJ wasn't bad at all. the team was hapless. Defenders making all kinda shit passes, midfield grossly ineffective. Pennant provided a spark and may have put something where KJ could head it if KJ wasn't taken off. That was one of those games where the defenders needed to launch it up to KJ so he could knock down for a teamate and build in their opponent half because the seem to have no clue how to build from the back in that game.
Did see it in the previous games..what surprised me was how well Norwich planned and excuted based on that observation...
I think Stoke gone to far left, with the knock. Now they ain't bringing no air cross at all.not playing to KJ strength...not that he not strong in the knock, but the knock is not where he will dominate opposing defenders. Walters have shares in this team?
Almost gone from a one dimensional team to a different one dimensional team
And Hughes just stuck with it right thru, could have changed it up at the half..
On the positive side, they will get very good at it eventually, if they don't fall into the relegation zone before..
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6. Odemwingie - Jones swap was Hughes’ masterstroke
There are not many managers who, having rid themselves of a problem striker like Kenwyne Jones, would then have signed someone potentially as disruptive as Peter Odemwingie. Mark Hughes’ decision to do so is one of the reasons Stoke are on course for their highest Premier League points total (previously 47). Odemwingie’s winner against Hull was his fifth goal since arriving from Cardiff in a swap for Jones. Stoke have lost only one of their last eight games with Odemwingie in the side. Jones has managed one goal for Cardiff. He did not feature on Saturday.
Independent.co.uk (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/six-things-we-learnt-from-the-premier-league-this-weekend-alan-pardews-dressingroom-return-not-such-a-happy-one-peter-odemwingie--kenwyne-jones-swap-was-mark-hughes-masterstroke-life-at-the-bottoms-a-real-laugh-for-pepe-mel-and-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-grey-man-michu-puts-some-colour-in-swansea-cheeks-mats-moller-daehli-provides-relief-for-resting-relegation-rivals-can-david-moyes-pick-juan-mata-wayne-rooney-and-robin-van-persie-in-the-same-lineup-9224512.html)
Again, it was not replacing KJ as KJ was not playing. KJ was just the currency used to secure Odemwingie. If KJ was playing and not producing then you can say yeah, but that's not how it was.
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6. Odemwingie - Jones swap was Hughes’ masterstroke
There are not many managers who, having rid themselves of a problem striker like Kenwyne Jones, would then have signed someone potentially as disruptive as Peter Odemwingie. Mark Hughes’ decision to do so is one of the reasons Stoke are on course for their highest Premier League points total (previously 47). Odemwingie’s winner against Hull was his fifth goal since arriving from Cardiff in a swap for Jones. Stoke have lost only one of their last eight games with Odemwingie in the side. Jones has managed one goal for Cardiff. He did not feature on Saturday.
Independent.co.uk (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/six-things-we-learnt-from-the-premier-league-this-weekend-alan-pardews-dressingroom-return-not-such-a-happy-one-peter-odemwingie--kenwyne-jones-swap-was-mark-hughes-masterstroke-life-at-the-bottoms-a-real-laugh-for-pepe-mel-and-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-grey-man-michu-puts-some-colour-in-swansea-cheeks-mats-moller-daehli-provides-relief-for-resting-relegation-rivals-can-david-moyes-pick-juan-mata-wayne-rooney-and-robin-van-persie-in-the-same-lineup-9224512.html)
Again, it was not replacing KJ as KJ was not playing. KJ was just the currency used to secure Odemwingie. If KJ was playing and not producing then you can say yeah, but that's not how it was.
Yuh know ppl go say we blind to the boy shortcomings, especially as all the English media telling it like it is, and we thinking he's the best thing since Doubles with ah slight. :D and all he is is ah Shish Taouk on pita bread ...but if ah cyah doubles, i mustn't like pita bread ? :devil: an ah like Peter too...but he didn't work for Cardiff...an ah kinda seeing why.btw, last i saw, has KJ 1 st touch improved, or bout 7 men on Cardiff have worse ? ;D
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World Cup Saints: Kenwyne Jones
saintsfc.co.uk
The fourth segment of our series looking at Saints players in football’s greatest competition sees us look at Kenwyne Jones’ efforts with Trinidad and Tobago in 2006.
Part-way through a three-year stint at St Mary’s stretching from 2004 to 2007 that brought 22 goals from 80 appearances, the-then 21-year-old was selected to aid his country in a difficult Group B that included England, Paraguay and Sweden.
Despite his young age, Jones had already made his senior international debut three years prior to the tournament in Germany along with netting in friendlies against Bermuda and Peru in 2005 and 2006 respectively.
It was also his relative lack of experience compared to Stern John – the nation’s first-choice frontman at the time – that saw Jones’ time in the group stage limited.
Jones failed to feature in his side’s opening game against Sweden, which ended in a 0-0 draw that secured Trinidad and Tobago’s only point of the World Cup, before making his first appearance in the competition with a start in a 2-0 defeat to England.
A loss of equal margin to Paraguay sealed their fate as Jones and his country finished at the foot of the table as England and Sweden progressed.
In 2007, the year of Jones’ departure from Saints to fellow Premier League Sunderland, he was named Trinidad and Tobago Federation’s Player of the Year.
Read more at http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/article/06062014-kenwyne-jones-world-cup-saints-1618160.aspx#S86VmoEDTvpLwz1A.99
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Where is our Captain ? Is he at Cardiff still or Central ?
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Where is our Captain ? Is he at Cardiff still or Central ?
Back at Cardiff after handling 'family problems' at home. Off with them for preseason in Austria.
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A late double from Kenwyne Jones secured a 4-1 win for Cardiff City over Yeovil Town in a preseason friendly at Huish Park, Yeovil, Somerset, England on Sunday, July 27th 2014.
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So they keeping him then. Long time since I watch some Championship ball.
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Yeovil Town vs Cardiff City (July 27, 2014)
https://www.youtube.com/v/1RBuEo86TNw?start=270
https://www.youtube.com/v/1RBuEo86TNw?start=311
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So they keeping him then. Long time since I watch some Championship ball.
Doh sound like they want him as a starter:
Solskjaer said: “He is a different type of striker to the others we have. When Kenwyne is on song he is a fantastic card to play.
“He has worked hard and came back after the summer with a great attitude. He deserved the reward of two goals against Yeovil and next he has to keep working.
“Kenwyne is part of my plans for the new season because if we go a little more direct he can hold the ball up and wins it in air.”
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Though it is preseason he looked good in the highlights. His finishing was very good and he probably draws a penalty in a regular season game on that trip. What I was pleased to see was how he was sprinting to get in between the two defenders on the same play that saw him tripped in the box. I'm hoping that he gets his opportunities and has a great season!
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Kenwyne suddenly looks the real deal
By Terry Phillips (Wales Online)
At the end of last season my view was that the big striker would be moving on. My clear impression was that Jones could have done more for the cause as Cardiff battled against the drop.
But whatever my thoughts back then, there is no question Jones has completed altered my opinion. I don’t know whether somebody has had a word with Jones or whether he simply wants to produce his best in the new season.
But Jones has shown in training and matches an intensity, tenacity and desire which will make him a dangerous player in the Championship. When he was encouraged to hit hard during training he sent a coach holding a tackle bag flying, while his movement and awareness give him an edge.
He scored twice at Yeovil, turning in a right-wing cross and then showing good composure before thumping home a low shot from an angle.
Yeovil’s defending was poor and they left the route to goal open, but Jones made the most of their inability to close the door.
Jones gives Cardiff a different option up top. They have predators and strikers whose movement and quick feet make them a threat.
But if City have to go more direct at times then Jones is the right man for the job - his current attitude and form will bring rewards.
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Kenwyne suddenly looks the real deal
But Jones has shown in training and matches an intensity, tenacity and desire which will make him a dangerous player in the Championship. When he was encouraged to hit hard during training he sent a coach holding a tackle bag flying, while his movement and awareness give him an edge.
Some would argue that he's looking good because he's finally playing competition at his level.
KJ should really brutalize the defences in the Championship this year.
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Kenwyne suddenly looks the real deal
But Jones has shown in training and matches an intensity, tenacity and desire which will make him a dangerous player in the Championship. When he was encouraged to hit hard during training he sent a coach holding a tackle bag flying, while his movement and awareness give him an edge.
Some would argue that he's looking good because he's finally playing competition at his level.
KJ should really brutalize the defences in the Championship this year.
As a fan of Championship football (See my avatar) I have to say he has a lot of potential at this level - there was a striker for Preston built like two brick shit-houses cemented together and he terrorised the league - if he beefs up a little he has the potential to be top scorer no doubt.
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Can Cardiff City boss Ole Gunnar Solskjaer solve the great footballing enigma that is Kenwyne Jones?
Club Metro
In January, once the dust had settled on Cardiff City’s abrupt removal of Malky Mackay, all eyes were on Ole Gunnar Solskjaer to see who he would bring in to lead Cardiff City’s survival bid.
He brought in Kenwyne Jones.
Don’t get me wrong, he is a big strong forward, has scored a reasonable amount of goals wherever he has gone, but there’s always been a theme with Kenwyne, and not just that he likes playing for teams in the Premier League that play in red and white.
At Southampton, Sunderland and Stoke City, he scored in bursts but managers seemed to lose faith in him.
From the outside looking in, I’ve always been puzzled by Kenwyne’s trouble to get into teams and stay there. He always seemed to be someone who you could rely on for a goal here and there, but he would play a few games, and the managers would grow tired of his relaxed attitude and drop him.
Last season I could completely understand why that was the case. After making an instant impact by scoring against Norwich City, which in all fairness was a clumsy bundled effort that if I remember rightly came off his knee, he didn’t score again all season.
He didn’t seem particularly bothered if he was playing, or if he was on the bench. That might not be the case, but perception is everything and if you don’t look like you are trying hard it doesn’t go down well and it certainly doesn’t go down well with the Cardiff City fans.
Against Yeovil, he had the good natured but yet cruel mocking chant of ‘if Kenwyne scores, we’re on the pitch’ which has only been reserved for the likes of Jon Parkin and Eddie Johnson in recent memory. He scored two goals, and they weren’t bad ones. The first was a ball fired across the box at a speed that players with less ability would have missed or got too much contact on the ball. His second was an individual effort which also showed great attacking ability.
However, we also saw the other side of Kenwyne. He had been on the pitch for six minutes, and Yeovil had a corner. City cleared the ball and went on a counter attack. By the time the keeper was getting ready to take the goal kick, Kenwyne had only just reached the half way line.
Any fan of Southampton, Sunderland and Stoke City I’m sure will read the previous two paragraphs and say that sums up the man.
As we left the ground, I overheard two City fans say, well Kenwyne is a cert to start at Blackburn after scoring two goals. After the lazy performance with greatness sprinkled in, it’s still not enough to justify his reported £38,000 a week wage as far as I’m concerned.
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Football League 2014-2015 season: 17 talking points before the action begins
Louise Taylor - UK Guardian
Full List (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/02/football-league-2014-2015-preview-championship-league-one-league-two)
16: Ole Gunnar Solskjaer remains a managerial enigma – and can he get Kenwyne Jones going again?
On paper the former Manchester United striker possesses one of the Championship’s strongest squads. In theory an immediate return to the top-flight for Cardiff should be something of a certainty. And yet the questions pile up: has Solskjaer signed too many players? Does he tinker with tactics and personnel too much? And is he capable of turning maverick Jones back into the formidable centre forward John Terry once dubbed his most awkward opponent?
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I see Kenwyne is set to start for Cardiff against Blackburn today.
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Now turn on this game at half time. 1-1 with a goal from KJ.
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(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/512/media/images/76834000/png/_76834847_jones.png)
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WATCH Kenwyne Jones score the first goal of the 2014/15 English Championship season. It came in a 1–1 draw against Blackburn Rovers.
https://www.youtube.com/v/DKYXrt1qD8A?start=107
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Cardiff City striker Kenwyne Jones hopes for 'bigger and better' to come after goal against Blackburn
By Terry Phillips (Wales Online)
The big frontman struggled to make an impact at the end of last year but now wants to fire the goals to get the Bluebirds back to the top.
Kenwyne Jones is playing Championship football for the first time in seven years – and marked his return to the second tier of the game with a booming headed goal in Cardiff City’s opening 1-1 draw at Blackburn last Friday night.
The big man from Trinidad is, at his best among the most powerful strikers in British football, and he is intent on being back in the Premier League next season.
There were long chats over the summer with Bluebirds manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer about this season and the part he would play in attempting to get City back among the Premier elite.
For the last seven years Jones has played top flight football for Sunderland, Stoke and, last season at the Cardiff City Stadium.
The challenge of Championship football, though, holds no fears for a striker intent on making a major impact for Solskjaer’s team.
“It’s been seven years, almost exactly, since I last played in the Championship and it can be a different challenge,” said Jones after his opener at Ewood Park.
“There are so many matches to fit in, you don’t have time to worry. As soon as you have played one Championship match there is another coming up fast.
“At this level there are times when you have to go on adrenalin and get on with it. It can also work against you when there is lots of time to train. Sometimes there can be too many ideas and it can become complicated.
“I’m excited about the challenge ahead, I love scoring goals, and if we are going to regain our Premier League place, those goals are going to be needed.”
The 6ft 2ins Jones returned for pre-season fit, fired-up and ready for action. Perhaps those telephone chats with Solskjaer ensured he knew he will be playing a key role under the Norwegian.
This is a different Jones to the centre-forward who struggled to make an impact during the second half of last season. When he was urged to make the most of his sheer physical presence during pre-season training in Austria he smashed into coach Richard Hartis, who was holding a tackle bag, sending him flying and earned applause from Solskjaer’s backroom team.
“I don’t know if I am different from last season, which was tough for us as a team,” said Jones. “Now we have a specific goal and that is to be back in the Premier League next August,
“It’s important to get in shape because at Championship level there are matches coming up all the time. It’s going to take a lot of effort from everybody if we are to build and sustain a challenge.”
Jones first came to the UK 12 years ago when, as a teenager, he spent three months travelling around Europe trying to find a club.
He had trials with Rangers, Southampton, Manchester United plus West Ham and also went to Holland in search of a first professional contract.
The Saints gave Jones his chance and he said: “It was either find a club or join the Trinidad army.”
His uncle, Philbert Jones, who helped Trinidad and Tobago to within a point of qualifying for the 1990 World Cup, was the man who taught Kenwyne his trademark somersault goal celebration.
“He was my inspiration when I was younger,” said Kenwyne. “My uncle played for the national team. I remember him as the starting striker and nearly getting to Italia ‘90.
“That was big at the time because the whole country was behind the team. It changed the profile of football in the country.
“That was my real inspiration to become a footballer. Where I lived there was a football field across from my house and everybody would be out each evening playing.
“We had small goalposts, about five-a-side size. We’d rush home from school, drop our bags and be out playing football 24/7 until we were called in.
“I was about seven and I saw my uncle doing some sit-ups and, bang, just like that, out of nowhere he did a back flip. Most incredible thing I ever saw!
“I wanted to do it. I played in school tournaments at the age of 13 and the first time I scored did the back flip. I scored, ran to the corner and just flipped over.
“Everyone stood back, they’d never seen it before, and that was the start of it.”
Today, Jones has a big part to play in Cardiff’s quest for promotion and, apart from scoring, he caused major problems for home defenders with his power and aggression.
It was a surprise when Jones was given the nod to start alongside Nicky Maynard. But he struck with a first-half header to give Cardiff a lead and might have made it 2-0 when he had home keeper Paul Robinson in his sights.
“That free-kick delivery by Peter Whittingham was perfect,” said Jones, paying tribute to his team-mate.
“With the other chance, because I know Robbo, my thought was to get my shot in early, but it didn’t come.
“I couldn’t get it out of my feet. Hopefully there will be bigger and better things to come.”
Jones knows competition for Cardiff places in attack is fierce with Maynard, Adam Le Fondre, Federico Macheda, Javi Guerra and Joe Mason all determined to nail down a starting spot. Every striker we have brings different qualities and we’ll need all of those in a tough, gruelling season. I’m pretty sure all of us will chip in with goals.
“We showed our character at Blackburn where, with all eyes on us in the opening match of the season, we were able to grind out a result.
“Cardiff are tipped to go straight back up, but that’s not guaranteed. We’ll do everything we can, but to be honest there is nothing in life you can plan for.
“Things happen or not. You have to adjust and roll with it. I wanted to sign for Cardiff in January – and now I want to help our club regain their Premier League place.”
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Kenwyne Jones can become a Cardiff City cult idol
By Paul Abbandonato (Wales Online)
The big, powerful front man can give himself iconic status amongst fans with displays in Championship this season.
Robin Friday, Nathan Blake, Rob Earnshaw... and Kenwyne Jones!
The Cardiff City striker of 2014 will probably never be held in quite the same esteem as those afore-mentioned legends when it comes to Bluebirds folklore.
But carry on at his current rate and big Kenwyne can definitely be the most recent player to join a group of fans’ cult idols which has also included the likes of Craig Bellamy, Peter Thorne, Carl Dale and Phil Stant down the years.
The big man’s double against Huddersfield took his goal tally to three in two Championship matches thus far.
While no-one should be getting too carried away by that start – particularly when the opposition are as hapless as managerless Huddersfield – it’s not a bad return for a bloke pretty much written off as being down at the bottom of the pecking order when it came to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s glut of forward options this season.
Javi Guerra, Federico Macheda, Adam Le Fondre and a fit-again Nicky Maynard were ahead of him in the queue, so we presumed.
Jones, having been extremely average in the Premier League last season (and that’s being diplomatic) would have to make do with the odd match with the development side.
How football can quickly change. Shortly before the Championship campaign commenced, Solskjaer handed Jones the prestigious number nine shirt for the season.
That, to me, spelt out a message from the manager. With Le Fondre given 10, these two appeared to be first picks in the eyes of the Bluebirds manager, even if that raised eyebrows amongst some fans.
I always reckoned that despite what had happened in the previous few months, Jones had the physical attributes and footballing ability to become a centre-forward sensation in the Championship.
More importantly, Solskjaer was clearly of that belief, too.
Given the clamour for places in Cardiff’s huge squad, what he needed to do was grab his opportunity when handed it.
Well he has done that... and how.
You know what, I’m delighted too. Jones copped an awful lot of flak for ineffectucal displays last season. Professionally, I threw as much stick his way as anyone.
He didn’t seem interested enough, or committed enough, to provide the goal power and leadership the Bluebirds so desperately needed from a front man to haul themselves clear of relegation.
Jason Perry, another Bluebirds terrace idol, even went as far on radio as stating Jones may have lost the desire to get beyond big, bruising centre-backs.
In other words, Perry reckoned he had had enough of the physical punishment centre-forwards receive. No-one doubted Jones’ ability, it was more a mental thing.
Well, whatever Solskjaer has been doing with his man-management of Jones this summer, it is working.
Instead of moaning about the fierce criticism he was receiving, Jones worked upon improving his fitness and his game.
And on his game this man, once on the brink of becoming a Liverpool player, has it within him to tear up the Championship.
Given the right service, and there are still issues over the balance of Solskjaer’s side, some defenders will simply find Jones unplayable at times.
Big, strong, immense in the air, decent touch on the ground, he links play and scores goals at this level. From Huddersfield corners and free kicks, Jones was also Cardiff’s best defender, invariably getting to the ball before Mark Hudson and Matt Connolly to head it away.
That’s commitment to the cause.
Given that size, stature, power, hair style and those somersault goal celebrations, Jones definitely has it within him to become an iconic figure amongst Bluebirds fans.
He already has a song, supporters slightly tinkering the words of the Spandau Ballet hit ‘Gold’ to chant: “Always believe in... Kenwyne Jones’.
So, can Jones carry on being ‘indestructible’ - another apt word from the song the supporters chant - or are we witnessing a false dawn?
I think there are a few more goals, assists and terrorising of Championship defenders to come yet.
Guerra, when he came on for Jones in the second half, looked a quality striker. As you would expect from someone who scored lots of goals in La Liga last season.
If Jones wants to hold off the challenge from the Spaniard, he needs to be full-on in every single Cardiff match.
If Jones is full-on, I’m not convinced too many Championship centre-backs can cope with him.
Huddersfield’s certainly couldn’t.
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Cardiff City Kenwyne Jones chant at Fulham
Kenwyne Jones, Jones
Always believe in your soul
You’ve got the power to know
You’re indestructible
Always believe innnnnnn
Kenwyne Jones, Jones
(repeat)
https://www.youtube.com/v/mwT3fST-AiQ
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Keep the scoring -would be great to see a good team pick this man up in the EPL
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Cardiff City hot-shot Kenwyne Jones relishing physical Championship after netting again in draw at Fulham
By Steve Tucker (Wales Online)
Cardiff City hot-shot Kenwyne Jones admits the Championship is a lot more of a physical battle than when he last plied his trade there, but the big striker is proving to be right for the fight.
The 29-year-old Bluebirds man-of-the-moment made it four goals in five outings so far this season as his strike earned Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s men a hard-fought point at Fulham.
Jones was brought in by Solskjaer from Stoke in January, but struggled to make an impact last term as the Bluebirds dropped out of the top-flight.
This campaign has been very different so far for the Trinidad & Tobago international as he has hit the ground running and helped his side to a reasonable start back in the second flight.
It has been a full decade since Jones was last in the Championship whilst playing for Stoke, when he managed three goals in 13 loan appearances for the Potters.
He said: “It is different in the Championship these days, a bit more straightforward.
“When I played 10 years ago, there was a bit more football involved, but today it’s tougher, there’s a lot more pressure because there’s a bigger price attached on getting to the Premier League.
“It’s a bit tougher, but I don’t believe it’s anything the team can’t cope with.
“Hopefully we can start playing better than we have been.”
Solskjaer and his players will know they can and will have to improve on their showing, particularly after a poor first-half at Craven Cottage.
Jones’ 55th minute equaliser came as a result of one of the few class moves from Solskjaer’s side.
The outstanding Mats Daehli bisected the home defence to put his team-mate through to fire home.
“That was my first chance more or less of the game,” said Jones.
“It fills you with confidence when you can score goals, but a striker is like the icing on a cake."
The former Sunderland and Stoke man added: “The cake itself is made of the ingredients.
“If you aren’t getting service enough to score you won’t score.
“Hopefully our team can keep getting better, more chances can be created and more goals can be scored.
“Against Fulham we could have done better in the first-half, we were a bit flat, but second-half, we came out and picked up the pace, started moving the ball better.”
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(20:48) GOAL! Brighton and Hove Albion 1, Cardiff City 1. Kenwyne Jones (Cardiff City) header from outside the box to the centre of the goal. Assisted by Peter Whittingham.
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(20:48) GOAL! Brighton and Hove Albion 1, Cardiff City 1. Kenwyne Jones (Cardiff City) header from outside the box to the centre of the goal. Assisted by Peter Whittingham.
I have to try and find this highlight bc I'm interpreting it as from outside the 18 but I feel is the 6.
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(20:48) GOAL! Brighton and Hove Albion 1, Cardiff City 1. Kenwyne Jones (Cardiff City) header from outside the box to the centre of the goal. Assisted by Peter Whittingham.
I have to try and find this highlight bc I'm interpreting it as from outside the 18 but I feel is the 6.
It was just inside the 18. Here is a description of the goal:
Whittingham’s high ball picked out Jones and the big man climbed high. Stockdale was quick to leave his line and defender Lewis Dunk moved aside to let his keeper catch the ball, but he didn’t make it as Jones jumped in front of him and flicked into an empty net from 15 yards.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10635973_10152777210664314_4581423744167409559_n.jpg?oh=7e586ce2de2893917485bb421f432e3a&oe=54BEB7A4&__gda__=1417855217_b605c0571ccf3f1d78a051c4e3855bc5)
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Nice! If only our NT players can provide this kind of service to Jones, I don't think many defenders in our region will be able to stop him. He is a serious aerial threat and we need to take advantage of that.
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Nice! If only our NT players can provide this kind of service to Jones, I don't think many defenders in our region will be able to stop him. He is a serious aerial threat and we need to take advantage of that.
Well boy, me eh know when dat go ever happen. I cyar remember de last player who had de ability to consistently deliver quality crosses either on the run or from dead ball situations.
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Nice! If only our NT players can provide this kind of service to Jones, I don't think many defenders in our region will be able to stop him. He is a serious aerial threat and we need to take advantage of that.
Well boy, me eh know when dat go ever happen. I cyar remember de last player who had de ability to consistently deliver quality crosses either on the run or from dead ball situations.
Who was de closest to dat? Angus?
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WATCH Kenwyne Jones’ headed goal from 15 yards against Brighton & Hove Albion
https://www.youtube.com/v/PyXATG5ZqFI?start=75
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Sweet header! From the highlights it appears Cardiff was under lots of pressure
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Allyuh see those saves from Cardiff's keeper? Very impressive he kept them in the game
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Nice! If only our NT players can provide this kind of service to Jones, I don't think many defenders in our region will be able to stop him. He is a serious aerial threat and we need to take advantage of that.
Well boy, me eh know when dat go ever happen. I cyar remember de last player who had de ability to consistently deliver quality crosses either on the run or from dead ball situations.
Who was de closest to dat? Angus?
I think I remember Kerry Baptiste used to put some good balls in when they had him playing right wing.
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great goal by KJ. But allyuh must remember the NT don't have the player or players at this moment to give Kj those kind of passes.
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great goal by KJ. But allyuh must remember the NT don't have the player or players at this moment to give Kj those kind of passes.
I not convinced Cardiff have either. However, if yuh can get/keep the ball . and get to a certain position, it can be done..I could do it, don't see why a NT player can't...maybe what we seeing, is not getting the ball in a position to make it happen, consistently..cause he won't score on one..maybe one of 10.
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Well Maxg, I eh doubting your points. But for the past 5 to six years, we have yet to produce some quality mid-fielders who play with consistency.
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Well Maxg, I eh doubting your points. But for the past 5 to six years, we have yet to produce some quality mid-fielders who play with consistency.
Could be viewed they were consistently asked to do something different. btw.. One aerial threat doesn't mean we should be consistently crossing balls, that at the higher levels of the game, he will get 2or 3 out of 10 possessions. It's a matter of timing. team with excellent ball crossers (England), without beckham, don't consistently cross balls into the box, with shortman Rooney, Sturridge etc.. them fells won't smell the ball..but when there is an opening, them small men still finding ways to score...Some men could live on crosses, but the scoring rate not higher than other approaches (not counting cset playes). The thing is, if we have a guy who could probably advantage those more against weaker/smaller or less experienced defenses, then hell yeah, cross it. But if the coach not running that play, working on buildup and penetration, how much crosses will we see. I think we coach, will do the right thing..Possession, buildup, wide cross to open and unnerve defenses - strong opportunity with a KJ, and with an open defense, then we can have penetration, with the plazas, molinos..et al..but opposition level and timing, have to be in order... just my thoughts
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Well Maxg, I eh doubting your points. But for the past 5 to six years, we have yet to produce some quality mid-fielders who play with consistency.
Could be viewed they were consistently asked to do something different. btw.. One aerial threat doesn't mean we should be consistently crossing balls, that at the higher levels of the game, he will get 2or 3 out of 10 possessions. It's a matter of timing. team with excellent ball crossers (England), without beckham, don't consistently cross balls into the box, with shortman Rooney, Sturridge etc.. them fells won't smell the ball..but when there is an opening, them small men still finding ways to score...Some men could live on crosses, but the scoring rate not higher than other approaches (not counting cset playes). The thing is, if we have a guy who could probably advantage those more against weaker/smaller or less experienced defenses, then hell yeah, cross it. But if the coach not running that play, working on buildup and penetration, how much crosses will we see. I think we coach, will do the right thing..Possession, buildup, wide cross to open and unnerve defenses - strong opportunity with a KJ, and with an open defense, then we can have penetration, with the plazas, molinos..et al..but opposition level and timing, have to be in order... just my thoughts
touche!!!!
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Kenwyne Jones is ranked #4 on SB Nation readers’ list of favourite Sunderland strikers of the last decade.
http://rokerreport.sbnation.com/2014/10/21/7026341/top-ten-your-favourite-sunderland-strikers-of-the-last-decade-part-two
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Cardiff City star Kenwyne Jones flies home to T&T after family tragedy
By Jon Doel (Wales Online)
Cardiff City striker Kenwyne Jones is set to miss the Bluebirds’ next two matches after flying home to Trinidad and Tobago following a family tragedy.
The news follows Jones’ personal tribute after he scored Cardiff’s third goal in the 3-1 win over Leeds United on Saturday.
The 30-year-old removed his shirt to reveal a message that read: “RIP Deshon and Chibbi”.
A Cardiff City statement read: “We would like to offer our sincere condolences to Kenwyne Jones following a family tragedy.
“We ask that Kenwyne and his family are given space and privacy at this difficult time.”
Jones is not expected to link back up with the Bluebirds until after the international break later this month and is extremely unlikely to be available for Tuesday’s trip to Bolton and Saturday’s visit to Birmingham.
The Bluebirds striker has found himself out of the starting XI since Russell Slade's appointment despite scoring six goals so far this season.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10408714_10152858803539314_7750674278547971421_n.jpg?oh=0aa425a7f6cd32d610611d3fd32466e0&oe=54DB02E5&__gda__=1425299354_058ec94bdc5a5ee8a70cfaabfab41acb)
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WATCH Kenwyne Jones score the third goal in Cardiff City’s 3-1 win over Leeds United.
https://www.youtube.com/v/ilmA6_QP4VM?start=61
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2 people in his family died at the same time?
Condolence to KJ.
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Is it this ?
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Man-held-in-ex-girlfriends-murder-281204951.html
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condolences to Kj and his relatives ..... ....... this is real f.... up news !!! wha wrong with some of de brothers back at yard . >:(... the abuse allround must come toa stop ... anyways to kj and family pls accept my condolences....... may god give you all strength and courage at this trying time.. god bless
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Daiz Travis Sober immediate family too.
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Condolences to KJ and his family. Jah Bless.
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Condolences to KJ and his family, I pray God's guidance and comfort to everyone affected... and justice for the perpetrator of this crime.
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Condolences Captain. May the good lord heal you and your family's hearts and souls in your time of grief.
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Jones pays tribute to his slain cousins.
By Rhondor Dowlat (Guardian)
T&T national football captain and striker Kenwyne Joel Jones, 30, believes that the time has reached for finding ways and means to reach out to the youths of T&T, in an attempt to bring a grip on the escalating crime and violence.
Jones’ cousins—Deshon Sobers, 21, and her cousin Trevon, 24, were killed last month, on October 23 after her former boyfriend allegedly went on a shooting rampage at their home in Chaguanas. His uncle, Glenford Sobers, 73, was critically injured during the incident.
On November 1, Jones, who is also a striker for Cardiff City Football Club, Wales, United Kingdom paid tribute to his cousins by removing his football T-shirt after scoring Cardiff’s third goal in the 3-1 win against Leeds United. Under the football T-shirt was a white jersey bearing the markings, in red: “RIP Deshon and Chibbi (Trevon’s nickname).” That game was played on the same day they were buried.
Speaking to the T&T Guardian, Jones said people in T&T needs to make a concerted effort in trying to come up in ways and means to catch the attention of the youths and shift their focus from the way of crime to the way of positivity.
“To be really honest the situation is very unfortunate and I’d like to send my love out to my family. Crime is a major factor. It does affect the country but of course like everyone else when it hits home it seems to be a little more serious.”
“It is easy for the youths to settle and say this is what I am born in and this is what I see everyday, so I am going to be a statistic. But, no! We need to try to find the ways and means to get them away from that thinking.”
Facing such a tragedy, Jones has become more determined and motivated in focusing his attention to helping the youths of T&T.
In so doing, he has launched his latest initiative—“Kenwyne 3.0.” Jones was born in Point Fortin, spent most of his early childhood in La Brea before moving to Chaguanas. He is the third of eight children for his parents.
“It is me coming out there because I do like to help people in whichever way that I possibly can. I am not saying it has to be monetary. Sometimes, some people just need a little bit of words of advice. I want to be open to the wider public and I think me being myself and knowing where I have come from, the path that I took to get to this point to wherever I am going to end up it is necessary for me to give back.”
“I have been in the group of youngsters trying to fight for the same dream and was blessed enough to be one out of the many that made it, one of the many that actually made the dream a reality.
“I have had help along the way where my football roots come from, schooling, teachers and of course the coaches that push you to work at the highest level and I have to give a big thank you to all of them and hopefully I would be able to motivate some to going after their dream.”
Jones is currently planning a Christmas event next month for children of Point Fortin, who are in dire need of that support and in dire need for that “family feel.”
“A lot of them don’t have it and they need to feel like any other regular child, so hopefully, we can get a few people on board and try to make the event an annual juncture. We are going to use this medium as well to try and bring a bit of positivity to the youths.”
With just a few years remaining for Jones to retire from his football career, he is already panning for his next chapter in life.
“My main thing is fitness, so I will be trying to get my qualifications in strength and conditioning and of course dieting. I don’t see myself as a coach but I will be trying to do something else that I enjoy and that is doing a lot of charity work, giving back to T&T.”
“It is quite important that we try to have a positive influence in the next generation given the state of crime and the misfortunes at this present time amongst the youths.
“We have to change the culture a bit and try and inject that positivity in the youths of the nation because I don’t think it is not everyone is sports avid everyone has a skill, then some people just need that extra push that motivation to be able to go out perform to their best in whatever they do.”
Jones left for Jamaica with the rest of the Soca Warriors on Sunday to compete in the Caribbean Cup Finals this week.
Making his debut appearance for the Caribbean Cup, Jones is hopeful in himself and his team in being able to bring back the trophy.
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Captain Kenwyne Jones interviewed on 96.1 WEFM by Ezel and Isoke on “The Sound of the Streets. Kenwyne speaks about the Caribbean Cup, his charitable works, and the impact of domestic violence in his life.
https://www.youtube.com/v/dSLtuLnk4f4
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Back in the days when he was at Sunderland it seemed everyone had their eyes out for him to cause problems but he rarely did. Instead it was Altidore that tore gave people nightmares. These days however he looks the part and now seems to have defenses and fans worried about his potential impact. Maybe he needed to go back down to Championship sooner lol.
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Soca Warriors captain, Kenwyne Jones, wants changes to be made in the administration of T&T football.
https://www.youtube.com/v/rtEpp6Uo68Y
Well said!
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You know what F..k it ..... I support The skipper KJ call for changes!! some radical changes is an absolute must !!
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The players say they want their coach to get paid, how you can vex with that. It real good to see the players standing behind the coach. That is an absolute big time move and comment. They like how the coach handling everything and if he go they go. Quality from these players. :applause: :applause: :applause:
Let's hope no black list for KJ. :devil: He probably need to whatapps Sancho
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I'm hopping he and the other team mates are fully focus for this finial....and this thing with the FA is not a distraction for the guy's.....suck!!!
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This is the player is one of the worst strikers we ever have talk done never me again defending this man
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jones was never a goal scorer like s. john bally hart needs to start scouting
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ANOTHER shit performance from Kenwyne yesterday. Our captain! Maybe the capt arm band is too much for him and releasing him from the role will bring better performances.
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Yo allyuh rell jokey oui. Since even before Hart come in KJ performances have improved. He has hardly had any truly bad games under Hart until this one. Now because of this one game he is now the worse and whatever else lol. Then some does want to dig horrors when he say F away with SWO. Long forgotten is that he made a stand (just 2 days ago) to ensure that our best coach overall in quite some time and a local at that, is paid so he can be here to continue to steer the team upwards. the same coach allyuh saying need to start scouting. Arm band too much now? lmao! No disputing it was an underwhelming performance but all ah dat? smh.
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Yo allyuh rell jokey oui. Since even before Hart come in KJ performances have improved. He has hardly had any truly bad games under Hart until this one. Now because of this one game he is now the worse and whatever else lol. Then some does want to dig horrors when he say F away with SWO. Long forgotten is that he made a stand (just 2 days ago) to ensure that our best coach overall in quite some time and a local at that, is paid so he can be here to continue to steer the team upwards. the same coach allyuh saying need to start scouting. Arm band too much now? lmao! No disputing it was an underwhelming performance but all ah dat? smh.
Did you say KJ performances have improved? The same complaints I am hearing about KJ performance I have been hearing them for YEARS now. It's worse now because he is the Capt of the team. You know it very well. Lazy on the field, Diva like mentality where he wants the ball exactly in front of him, easily being man handled by smaller defenders... yeah yeah the list goes on, years now same list
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Yo allyuh rell jokey oui. Since even before Hart come in KJ performances have improved. He has hardly had any truly bad games under Hart until this one. Now because of this one game he is now the worse and whatever else lol. Then some does want to dig horrors when he say F away with SWO. Long forgotten is that he made a stand (just 2 days ago) to ensure that our best coach overall in quite some time and a local at that, is paid so he can be here to continue to steer the team upwards. the same coach allyuh saying need to start scouting. Arm band too much now? lmao! No disputing it was an underwhelming performance but all ah dat? smh.
Did you say KJ performances have improved? The same complaints I am hearing about KJ performance I have been hearing them for YEARS now. It's worse now because he is the Capt of the team. You know it very well. Lazy on the field, Diva like mentality where he wants the ball exactly in front of him, easily being man handled by smaller defenders... yeah yeah the list goes on, years now same list
That is ah pack ah ass talk tho. KJ had 2 or 3 yellow shits close by every time he even was within 5 yards of the ball. Jamaica sought to neutralize him, Molino and Peltier and it worked. Go back 5 years or even 3 and you'd notice KJ was a threat only in name. He wasn't scoring any goals at all but only because he did fairly decent at Sunderland and even Stoke when he arrived was he on the radar of CONCACAF coaches in planning for us. Now teams are not only thinking about him but actually employing strategy to try and halt anything he can do as well as frustrate him. So if he hasn't improved where are the goals coming from, prestidigitation? The problem with many SW fans is that they overestimate our progress and often have unreasonable expectations. While many celebrated the earlier wins against Jamaica they weren't important. Jamaica as a culture has an issue with TnT and that cultural dislike plays a key role in their aggression against us on the pitch when in a matchup that counts for something. Jamaica no matter what any of you think will never be an easy place to play for TnT when something is at stake. Our team overall has improved and even if you all fail to recognize it, so has KJs play. It's a shame that we are so fickle and unforgiving of our own. Nobody doh ha to celebrate mediocre but fuh goodness sake give man credit when they do good things. Allyuh like allyuh only know how to rag on KJ. If he have 7 out of 10 good games the only thing any care about is the 3 bad ones. Who gives ah fack bout the good ones! SMH
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If he have 7 out of 10 good games the only thing any care about is the 3 bad ones. Who gives ah fack bout the good ones! SMH
This is true no matter who he play for. Ah really wish I knew what it was about him that have people (across cultures) against him so. Have to be something. Too high expectations? I doh know. But man does quick to rate him up when he playing good and quick to swear he never play good when he drop a load.
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Yo allyuh rell jokey oui. Since even before Hart come in KJ performances have improved. He has hardly had any truly bad games under Hart until this one. Now because of this one game he is now the worse and whatever else lol. Then some does want to dig horrors when he say F away with SWO. Long forgotten is that he made a stand (just 2 days ago) to ensure that our best coach overall in quite some time and a local at that, is paid so he can be here to continue to steer the team upwards. the same coach allyuh saying need to start scouting. Arm band too much now? lmao! No disputing it was an underwhelming performance but all ah dat? smh.
Did you say KJ performances have improved? The same complaints I am hearing about KJ performance I have been hearing them for YEARS now. It's worse now because he is the Capt of the team. You know it very well. Lazy on the field, Diva like mentality where he wants the ball exactly in front of him, easily being man handled by smaller defenders... yeah yeah the list goes on, years now same list
That is ah pack ah ass talk tho. KJ had 2 or 3 yellow shits close by every time he even was within 5 yards of the ball. Jamaica sought to neutralize him, Molino and Peltier and it worked. Go back 5 years or even 3 and you'd notice KJ was a threat only in name. He wasn't scoring any goals at all but only because he did fairly decent at Sunderland and even Stoke when he arrived was he on the radar of CONCACAF coaches in planning for us. Now teams are not only thinking about him but actually employing strategy to try and halt anything he can do as well as frustrate him. So if he hasn't improved where are the goals coming from, prestidigitation? The problem with many SW fans is that they overestimate our progress and often have unreasonable expectations. While many celebrated the earlier wins against Jamaica they weren't important. Jamaica as a culture has an issue with TnT and that cultural dislike plays a key role in their aggression against us on the pitch when in a matchup that counts for something. Jamaica no matter what any of you think will never be an easy place to play for TnT when something is at stake. Our team overall has improved and even if you all fail to recognize it, so has KJs play. It's a shame that we are so fickle and unforgiving of our own. Nobody doh ha to celebrate mediocre but fuh goodness sake give man credit when they do good things. Allyuh like allyuh only know how to rag on KJ. If he have 7 out of 10 good games the only thing any care about is the 3 bad ones. Who gives ah fack bout the good ones! SMH
I know the team has improved. Don't stray from my point about KJ. Yes the team has improved but our Captain game definitely has not improved.
Please tell us which part of his game has improved? This is more than just the final he played yesterday. This is about a trend we keep seeing from him YEARS now. Do you think he would have done different against another good team in CONCACAF. We have already seen him in those games and not much difference.
So again tell me which part of his game has improved?
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Yo allyuh rell jokey oui. Since even before Hart come in KJ performances have improved. He has hardly had any truly bad games under Hart until this one. Now because of this one game he is now the worse and whatever else lol. Then some does want to dig horrors when he say F away with SWO. Long forgotten is that he made a stand (just 2 days ago) to ensure that our best coach overall in quite some time and a local at that, is paid so he can be here to continue to steer the team upwards. the same coach allyuh saying need to start scouting. Arm band too much now? lmao! No disputing it was an underwhelming performance but all ah dat? smh.
Did you say KJ performances have improved? The same complaints I am hearing about KJ performance I have been hearing them for YEARS now. It's worse now because he is the Capt of the team. You know it very well. Lazy on the field, Diva like mentality where he wants the ball exactly in front of him, easily being man handled by smaller defenders... yeah yeah the list goes on, years now same list
That is ah pack ah ass talk tho. KJ had 2 or 3 yellow shits close by every time he even was within 5 yards of the ball. Jamaica sought to neutralize him, Molino and Peltier and it worked. Go back 5 years or even 3 and you'd notice KJ was a threat only in name. He wasn't scoring any goals at all but only because he did fairly decent at Sunderland and even Stoke when he arrived was he on the radar of CONCACAF coaches in planning for us. Now teams are not only thinking about him but actually employing strategy to try and halt anything he can do as well as frustrate him. So if he hasn't improved where are the goals coming from, prestidigitation? The problem with many SW fans is that they overestimate our progress and often have unreasonable expectations. While many celebrated the earlier wins against Jamaica they weren't important. Jamaica as a culture has an issue with TnT and that cultural dislike plays a key role in their aggression against us on the pitch when in a matchup that counts for something. Jamaica no matter what any of you think will never be an easy place to play for TnT when something is at stake. Our team overall has improved and even if you all fail to recognize it, so has KJs play. It's a shame that we are so fickle and unforgiving of our own. Nobody doh ha to celebrate mediocre but fuh goodness sake give man credit when they do good things. Allyuh like allyuh only know how to rag on KJ. If he have 7 out of 10 good games the only thing any care about is the 3 bad ones. Who gives ah fack bout the good ones! SMH
I know the team has improved. Don't stray from my point about KJ. Yes the team has improved but our Captain game definitely has not improved.
Please tell us which part of his game has improved? This is more than just the final he played yesterday. This is about a trend we keep seeing from him YEARS now. Do you think he would have done different against another good team in CONCACAF. We have already seen him in those games and not much difference.
So again tell me which part of his game has improved?
Goal scoring, hold up play, short passing, movement, and workrate. While workrate has been inconsistent, it is still more overall in the last 24 months than it was prior. He has scored way more goals in the last 2 years than he scored in the 6 after the world cup combined. His finishing is better during the last 24 months as well. He holds up the ball better now than he used to in the past. Again wasn't overly evident yesterday but it has improved. He connects with many more of his short passes now than he used to. He can be seen during the last 24 months being on the receiving end of various exchanges with Molino. Go back to the Gold Cup for evidence and browse highlights of the games he has scored in since then (since apparently you did not notice any of this).
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I didn't see the game, and glad I didn't bother. I read the play-by-play in the thread last night and that was enough. That being said, I am inclined to take it easy on KJ... did he get any rest (was he one of the rotated players)? Not only that, but it would be somewhat understandable if his head was elsewhere, given all the distractions encircling the team before the match. That being said, maybe the Captain's Armband is indeed too much for him to bear, being pressed into the role of team spokesman and what not. Maybe also, as a professional, and having almost 10 years of top-flight experience, maybe he should be more consistent at this point and maybe he should have found a way to block out the distractions and play his game.
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I didn't see the game, and glad I didn't bother. I read the play-by-play in the thread last night and that was enough. That being said, I am inclined to take it easy on KJ... did he get any rest (was he one of the rotated players)? Not only that, but it would be somewhat understandable if his head was elsewhere, given all the distractions encircling the team before the match. That being said, maybe the Captain's Armband is indeed too much for him to bear, being pressed into the role of team spokesman and what not. Maybe also, as a professional, and having almost 10 years of top-flight experience, maybe he should be more consistent at this point and maybe he should have found a way to block out the distractions and play his game.
Honestly I think it was less about distractions than it was about Jamaica game plan. They know what they was about and handle it daz why neither Peltier nor Molino could get anything going either
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Alarming to say the least, some ah allyuh homies real f.... up yes ! with all the outstanding de issues surrounding team , the tragedies in the man's ( K.J's ) family , the man still went and try to perform as best he could given the circumstances yet it was relentless attack after attact on the skipper repeatedly like he ain't human , none of us know whether it had finally taken a toll on the man .... give the man a breather lil bit ... with all the ass soul ness going on its bound to be taxing after all .!! quite honestly i'm very surprise the team were able to hold together last evening....
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Yo allyuh rell jokey oui. Since even before Hart come in KJ performances have improved. He has hardly had any truly bad games under Hart until this one. Now because of this one game he is now the worse and whatever else lol. Then some does want to dig horrors when he say F away with SWO. Long forgotten is that he made a stand (just 2 days ago) to ensure that our best coach overall in quite some time and a local at that, is paid so he can be here to continue to steer the team upwards. the same coach allyuh saying need to start scouting. Arm band too much now? lmao! No disputing it was an underwhelming performance but all ah dat? smh.
Did you say KJ performances have improved? The same complaints I am hearing about KJ performance I have been hearing them for YEARS now. It's worse now because he is the Capt of the team. You know it very well. Lazy on the field, Diva like mentality where he wants the ball exactly in front of him, easily being man handled by smaller defenders... yeah yeah the list goes on, years now same list
That is ah pack ah ass talk tho. KJ had 2 or 3 yellow shits close by every time he even was within 5 yards of the ball. Jamaica sought to neutralize him, Molino and Peltier and it worked. Go back 5 years or even 3 and you'd notice KJ was a threat only in name. He wasn't scoring any goals at all but only because he did fairly decent at Sunderland and even Stoke when he arrived was he on the radar of CONCACAF coaches in planning for us. Now teams are not only thinking about him but actually employing strategy to try and halt anything he can do as well as frustrate him. So if he hasn't improved where are the goals coming from, prestidigitation? The problem with many SW fans is that they overestimate our progress and often have unreasonable expectations. While many celebrated the earlier wins against Jamaica they weren't important. Jamaica as a culture has an issue with TnT and that cultural dislike plays a key role in their aggression against us on the pitch when in a matchup that counts for something. Jamaica no matter what any of you think will never be an easy place to play for TnT when something is at stake. Our team overall has improved and even if you all fail to recognize it, so has KJs play. It's a shame that we are so fickle and unforgiving of our own. Nobody doh ha to celebrate mediocre but fuh goodness sake give man credit when they do good things. Allyuh like allyuh only know how to rag on KJ. If he have 7 out of 10 good games the only thing any care about is the 3 bad ones. Who gives ah fack bout the good ones! SMH
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Doh worry Kenwyne keep playing the usual lazy, I am a diva football in important games. Mediocrity is what we the fans have been conditioned to accept since the 90's. next time you and dem fellas do better ok? we go figure this ting out by the time WC qualification come around , we go be ready for any team in the region, doh worry allyuhself , buh say what at least we reach the penalty stage of a Caribbean Cup, tingz nice
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Gtfoh with this mediocrity talk who accepts mediocrity ?? i hadly think anyone here is in a celebratory mood as we did not win , but as fate will have it j.a won ... we win as team we lose as team that's the bottom line ..... this is not about a single or a particular player!!
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no time for faiweather fans nah.
MY SKIPPER, didn't have good game. Then obviously we didn't do enuff to help. Be it Strategy, Support, whatever.
Keep trying to hold this Team together Skip. Bigger rewards down the road. You already reaping some with your local contributions, thanks. Bigger fight than any C & FU Cup, Help keep Harty deh.
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elan. romello lukako gets the same treatment yet he never whines and complains. this jones guy on the other hand is a cry baby who is easily marked out of a game and bitches with his team mates because he don't get balls directly on his head or feet. lukako on the other hand always finds a way to turn the hackers into dust and puts the ball in the net something jones needs to learn in addition to dribbling and his first touch which is absolutely essential to a striker.
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Agreed 100% .....My immediate concern is ensuring Mr Stephen Hart our Coach remains to continue his job without hindrances and be part of the rebuilding process which is clearly evident presently
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Agreed 100 % with maxg
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elan. romello lukako gets the same treatment yet he never whines and complains. this jones guy on the other hand is a cry baby who is easily marked out of a game and bitches with his team mates because he don't get balls directly on his head or feet. lukako on the other hand always finds a way to turn the hackers into dust and puts the ball in the net something jones needs to learn in addition to dribbling and his first touch which is absolutely essential to a striker.
Lukaku and KJ is two completely Differrent players.
KJ didn't have his best game, but a big part of that was JA being much more prepared for us. All this talk abou tKJ lazy and he whining and eh trying is ah set of :bs: The man was working trying, but the game was not set up for him.
I still trying to fivure out how men know he eh care and eh trying. Because he eh running around like ah clown? Which team does juat launch ball at their forward amd daiz it?
Fella on here need to get real, and stop toting.
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The critique on KJ is similar to the critique on Balotelli: questions centered on the player's mobility. However, since the comparison is hollow beyond the mobility issue, I'm not going to compare both players.
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Sando Prince if nobody eh go tell yuh I go say it. You is ah c0nthole jedd! Plain and simple. KJ musse slaughter somebody important to you or something caw u carryin ah dread torch fuh da man.
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Sando Prince if nobody eh go tell yuh I go say it. You is ah c0nthole jedd! Plain and simple. KJ musse slaughter somebody important to you or something caw u carryin ah dread torch fuh da man.
and you think your opinion of me is important ? Regardless how much you like KJ. He has been disappointing on many occasions over the years. SAME criticism about him being lazy wanting the ball directly at his feet, easily man handled by smaller defenders. You want us to believe he has improved but I don't see any improvement. Your explanation for him not having any impact in important games for the country is because the opposing team did a good job of marking him out the game. So if this is going to be the trend then we will always be at a disadvantage when playing him because of his style.
Do not get your love for KJ confused with your emotions of anger towards my posts
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You think I care if it important to you?!! Lmao hoss is an observation and it needed to be expressed. Simple as dat. All da ress ah asshole talk bout confused is just that. Me eh no lil school gyul swoonin ova KJ. I does give credit where it is due. KJ in many ways has shown the strength of character that the armband demands. Weird how yuh could address my last post buh since yesterday yuh ha not one f00ck to say in response to Reply #746.
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Criticisms, fair or not, the service to KJ was inconsistent. We just don't have the players to give him the ball the way he gets in England. With the constant rotation of players, service to him was either to high, to wide. Plus he was marked tightly. But KJ needs to adjust his play a bit to accommodate our mid players who who themselves struggled to control the ball, travel with it and make decent passes to him. Much more work needs to be done. Hopefully in the next international window, TTFA can get a decent team, and coach Hart should start Glenn. Let's see if he is the real deal.
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Not to be discounted is that Coach Hart has said in many instances the team was not doing as instructed. So for all we know KJ could have been deployed and instructed to stay up in the opponents half as an outlet and then hold up the ball for the rest to get in on the plays. I find we simply don't have enough info to offer such scathing criticisms of any player unless we privy to the directions given by the coach.
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Agreed scorpion...!!
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Not to be discounted is that Coach Hart has said in many instances the team was not doing as instructed. So for all we know KJ could have been deployed and instructed to stay up in the opponents half as an outlet and then hold up the ball for the rest to get in on the plays. I find we simply don't have enough info to offer such scathing criticisms of any player unless we privy to the directions given by the coach.
no excuses man. the player is easily neutralized in any big game situation we saw it with the game in guyana we saw it at the FA cup final in wembley we saw it in the sunderland darby day and we saw it on tuesday. the point is that jonsey is not a go to guy he too timid. on tuesday jonsey spend more time on his butt than on his feet mind you this is a big solid dude but he cries like a baby and is easily man handled, this guy makes marlon herewood look drogba. give me stern john anyday of the week.
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Not to be discounted is that Coach Hart has said in many instances the team was not doing as instructed. So for all we know KJ could have been deployed and instructed to stay up in the opponents half as an outlet and then hold up the ball for the rest to get in on the plays. I find we simply don't have enough info to offer such scathing criticisms of any player unless we privy to the directions given by the coach.
no excuses man. the player is easily neutralized in any big game situation we saw it with the game in guyana we saw it at the FA cup final in wembley we saw it in the sunderland darby day and we saw it on tuesday. the point is that jonsey is not a go to guy he too timid. on tuesday jonsey spend more time on his butt than on his feet mind you this is a big solid dude but he cries like a baby and is easily man handled, this guy makes marlon herewood look drogba. give me stern john anyday of the week.
You talking rell shit oui. Easily neutralized?! Easily manhandled? Is that why he had 2 defenders assigned to him all game and more lurking to help out? When has he ever voiced any aspiration to be Stern or like him? Love SJ buh he tutu dong heself in big moments too. Are we forgetting that crucial penalty agains't El Salvador that was likely to propel us into a much better chance to qualify under Maturana? That was bigger than this game. Keep that Stern if yuh want buh f**k off an lee Cap' alone
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Not to be discounted is that Coach Hart has said in many instances the team was not doing as instructed. So for all we know KJ could have been deployed and instructed to stay up in the opponents half as an outlet and then hold up the ball for the rest to get in on the plays. I find we simply don't have enough info to offer such scathing criticisms of any player unless we privy to the directions given by the coach.
no excuses man. the player is easily neutralized in any big game situation we saw it with the game in guyana we saw it at the FA cup final in wembley we saw it in the sunderland darby day and we saw it on tuesday. the point is that jonsey is not a go to guy he too timid. on tuesday jonsey spend more time on his butt than on his feet mind you this is a big solid dude but he cries like a baby and is easily man handled, this guy makes marlon herewood look drogba. give me stern john anyday of the week.
You talking rell shit oui. Easily neutralized?! Easily manhandled? Is that why he had 2 defenders assigned to him all game and more lurking to help out? When has he ever voiced any aspiration to be Stern or like him? Love SJ buh he tutu dong heself in big moments too. Are we forgetting that crucial penalty agains't El Salvador that was likely to propel us into a much better chance to qualify under Maturana? That was bigger than this game. Keep that Stern if yuh want buh f**k off an lee Cap' alone
take it easy bad boy no need for all that. as for stern he was not a great penalty taker but he was a hell of a go to guy pulling us out of some sticky situation and had it not been for his 8 goals in 2005 qualification we would not have the world cup experience. as for jonsey having two markers, well so did yorke stern and russell latapy, yet they all performed beyond expectation. im afraid your case doesn't hold water.
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Yorke performed beyond expectations? Dan yuh iz ah mad man ah wot?! You just tossing things out and eh realize is madness you talkin. You mentioned Lukaku earlier but can you guess why he not with Chelsea no more? Sense of entitlement and the same whining you claim he doesn't do.
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Here is a very nice interview with Kenwyne after winning the first game in Jamaica in the 2014 Caribbean Cup.
Soca Warriors' Captain, Kenwyne Jones on The Sound of The Streets
https://www.youtube.com/v/dSLtuLnk4f4
Soca Warriors' Captain, Kenwyne Jones discusses the Caribbean Football Union League, Charitable Work and how Domestic Violence has affected his Life.
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Optimisic interview from Kenwyne about winning the Caribbean Cup 2 days later.
Soca Warriors' Captain, Kenwyne Jones in Studio with Shal and Jaiga #TurnItUpFridays
https://www.youtube.com/v/yrlZYk6GYFY
T&T Captain, Kenwyne Jones discuss the Football Team's qualification for the 2015 Gold Cup with Shal and Jaiga.
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Interesting interview that Kenwyne did with 91.9FM on the day of the Caribbean Cup Final before the match was played. Going by what he said in this interview the players definitely threatened to boycott the match as part of the negotiations to ensure that their coach gets his 8 months salary owing paid as they did not want to lose him. Big-up to Kenwyne and the players for making that move in the interest of not losing their coach.
Soca Warriors' Captain Kenwyne Jones Tells It All!
https://www.youtube.com/v/y1fJNKBhW2Y
Soca Warriors' Captain, Kenwyne Jones talks about Salaries owed for over 3 years and wanting to Boycott the Caribbean Cup Finals.
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Leadership :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
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Leadership :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Now that KJ and the team have gotten their money. And the 2006 got their moneys also, I would like to see they form the players union that is sorely lacking. They have shown that they have leadership. The TTFA have agreed for a players union in the new constitution. Don't wait for TTFA next election. Get lawyers and accountants and form a bona fide players union.
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Ah love de vibes and fellowship in studio with Jones, Molino, Guerra and Peltier. Good stuff.
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Fresh from the Caribbean Cup finals, Soca Warriors Team members, Kenwyne Jones, Kevin Molino, Lester Peltier and Ataullah Guerra give an update on the Status of the Team on the Sound of the Streets on 91.6FM with Ezel, Isoke and Kerron.
What's In The Future For The T&T Soca Warriors?
https://www.youtube.com/v/ejUXWNBxfHs
This radio interview gives us a good idea of the vibe of the players and how they feel after finally receiving their salaries when they got back to T&T from the recently concluded Caribbean Cup Finals.
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Good interview by the players, their bond on and off the field is tremendous
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smh ::).. You just trying to start a noise and bachanal so you could feel yuh doing something or what.
real Trini, it's built in it seems..whenever things going good, start something to cause confusion, doubt and division. like we doh have enuff issues. Normal for us...Carry on moderator, play yuhself, hold us back :(
I choose to support
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so everybody else wrong, Picking him, one of the top leagues in the world, best coaches in the world, and another one of the best coaches make him captain, Clubs paying him big money, nobody else from TT, just he, just cause they like paying shithongs for so. He play in 2 World cups, just because ppl like to pick and see no good players. The only one from that youth team still going real strong.
But you sticking with your 8 + year opinion that will never change, no matter what. And you not seeing nothing wrong with that. Well I'm no professional, I can't help yuh. That's a lot to carry for so long doh.
ps: Call some other names that we have right now that have all this God blessings please. That get all the amount of chances and still managing to hold down wuk consistently, especially in Europe. Maybe he rass making them think he look like Jesus ?
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you keep deleting & reposting
Proof: He keeps coming back when called to REPRESENT Trinidad & Tobago. You think he can't afford a ticket home himself? You think after he got an almost career ending injury, he would have not bothered ? yuh think he would bother to make donations and visits to kids from his area ?Yuh think he was coming back to collect the big TT cheque and faking wanting to represent all this time ? You might be right, he's a better actor and a damn fool than a footballer, cause I went full stop on the injury.. I'd rather he don't care about me, just caring for/representing TT with pride makes me happy, so in fact, maybe he cares a little bit bout me ???
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WATCH Kenwyne Jones score his 7th goal of the English Championship season.
https://www.youtube.com/v/o4DrgM80xXo
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Jones losing support of faithfuls
"Photo-shopped" - One fan description of Mr.Jones goal for Cardiff City this week. With the Caribbean Cup finals dismal performance from the Trinidad and Tobago captain, fans are starting to show their emotions over the internet in a not so friendly manner. "The Warriors lack leadership" - Another fan pointed out receiving too many likes and was blocked by Mr.Jones on his facebook page after a selfie picture hanging out with friends at a nearby pub.
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"More goals less Swag" - by another user was promptly blocked as well from Jones facebook page as a fan expresses disappointment in the lack of commitment on the pitch. The "Golden Boy" of this generation is slowly but surely becoming the scapegoat of the Trinidad And Tobago National team. While it is understandable enough for criticism to surface after the poor showing at the recent Caribbean Cup and most notable in the Finals the Trinidad and Tobago captain have opted to block his fans instead of giving them hope.
Time will tell
Coach Hart have alot of thinking to do when it comes to selection for the upcoming Gold Cup but the question is still there- will he stick to his guns (as he has done before) or will he make the changes giving Jan the nod ahead of Jones. Some fans have also hinted that Jones might be under too much pressure as captain observing him scold midfielders during the CFU Finals - Understanding that he is quality, how does the Coach get the best out of him. The question remains looming over the critics - will Jones step up and lead the way or will he continue to "Get by" unnoticed without losing his spot on the National Team.
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Coach Hart have alot of thinking to do when it comes to selection for the upcoming Gold Cup but the question is still there- will he stick to his guns (as he has done before) or will he make the changes giving Jan the nod ahead of Jones. Some fans have also hinted that Jones might be under too much pressure as captain observing him scold midfielders during the CFU Finals - Understanding that he is quality, how does the Coach get the best out of him. The question remains looming over the critics - will Jones step up and lead the way or will he continue to "Get by" unnoticed without losing his spot on the National Team.
Hart knows how to get the best out of Jones. He has had his best international scoring form under Hart. 11 goals in 17 matches. Only Molino has a better strike rate during that time.
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I don't think the captaincy is KJ problem. He has to figure out how to change his game to accommodate our mids.
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We don't have the mids at this moment to give him the service he gets in England. We just don't have it at this moment.
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Leadership :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Now that KJ and the team have gotten their money. And the 2006 got their moneys also, I would like to see they form the players union that is sorely lacking. They have shown that they have leadership. The TTFA have agreed for a players union in the new constitution. Don't wait for TTFA next election. Get lawyers and accountants and form a bona fide players union.
I've been wanting that since the days of FPATT but at the end of the day I believe that that initiative has to come from the bottom up. Until the rank and file players come to the conclusion/belief that they need a players association, nothing will happen.
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Simple problem to solve ... and Hart knows it. A real attacking strategy must have many attacking options on the field at the same time such as:
1. KJ on his chest and turning to lay off to Guerra who slips in a cross for KJ to head home.
2. Peltier pelting dong the wing to break the offside trap after a Molino thru pass.
3. Plaza weaving and turning just outside the box to let go a rocket into the jep nest
4. Glen 1 or Glen 2 doing some dazzling inside the box to draw a foul for Molino to convert the penalty
5. Molino curling a delicate shot around the keeper from a wicked angle at edge of box or after a 1:2 with KJ.
6. Winchester (Rundell) blazing through the middle too fast for defenders and unleashing a 25 yard rocket.
7. Guerra hitting a 30 yard heat-seeking trident-missile rocket after a shake on the L.
8. Bateau or Cyrus running up to sneak in a surprise header.
9. Joevin Jones moves up like a brazilian libero and ridiculously dribbles his way into the box to unleash his customary net-busting bullet.
and so on. Once you have the options, it's a piece of cake.
So ... to my players and recruiters: Stop playing de fool. Research your contracts carefully.
Winchester, Plaza and to some extent the last stopper with plats in he head (forgot his name) learned a VERY hard lesson
and future trialists should not get in such trouble again,
thus jeopardizing the options for the national team.
KJ keeps his essential style but many other options must be there next time.
I believe Hart will have better selection luck next time when Gold Cup time comes around.
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Elan, you raise an important topic here- versatility. The game has evolved, been a one trick pony is very predictable, teams will exploit this. If our forward isn't running at centerbacks to create chaos, force mistakes it overworks our midfield. There is a huge gap in the JA game where their defense could easily link up with the middle while we struggled to do the same thing -Because JA offense did something we didn't.
Last time we forced a defensive error was vs Mexico in Azteca- Birchall intercepted the ball fed it to Tinto who fired home- since then meh.
Long balls
I thought we were past this- long balls searching, hoping, even seen it in the womens game. Unless you are Italy - this crap won't work or atleast doesn't work for us. Our strength now is the defense -which is one of the best we have ever had in my opinion. With a solid defense it makes sense to work on set pieces like corners, penalties and free kicks, it's an avenue to create opportunities instead of relying on goals from the run of play.
Drifting out of the game is okay if you are Dwight Yorke - a natural poacher /good reader of the game with the ability to anticipate plays and position accordingly. Jones ain't no poacher, him drifting out of the game don't do anything for the rest of the team, from then its 10 vs 11. As a captain you are 11 and 12, doing your duties as well as helping out the midfield not -1.
There is more
While my dislike for KJ profile is a personal point of view it is a concern for fans - give 100 percent in games may be to much to ask especially when it feels like KJ is doing us a favor when he puts on the National Team Jersey. Well that's what it feels like. Yorke, Latas and the strike squad have set the bar high and I wonder if we will ever see quality again from a Tnt striker.
Hate me all you want
This will not stop me from writing what's on my mind or exposing some of the crap we are getting so use to seeing in the national teams. While it hurts me to write these articles as it may seem negative- it is only so if nothing is done about it and the same crap keeps re-occurring. We have hopes of improving, listening to the critics is part of the identifying process- this should be welcomed not fought down.
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Elan, you raise an important topic here- versatility. The game has evolved, been a one trick pony is very predictable, teams will exploit this. If our forward isn't running at centerbacks to create chaos, force mistakes it overworks our midfield. There is a huge gap in the JA game where their defense could easily link up with the middle while we struggled to do the same thing -Because JA offense did something we didn't.
Last time we forced a defensive error was vs Mexico in Azteca- Birchall intercepted the ball fed it to Tinto who fired home- since then meh.
Long balls
I thought we were past this- long balls searching, hoping, even seen it in the womens game. Unless you are Italy - this crap won't work or atleast doesn't work for us. Our strength now is the defense -which is one of the best we have ever had in my opinion. With a solid defense it makes sense to work on set pieces like corners, penalties and free kicks, it's an avenue to create opportunities instead of relying on goals from the run of play.
Drifting out of the game is okay if you are Dwight Yorke - a natural poacher /good reader of the game with the ability to anticipate plays and position accordingly. Jones ain't no poacher, him drifting out of the game don't do anything for the rest of the team, from then its 10 vs 11. As a captain you are 11 and 12, doing your duties as well as helping out the midfield not -1.
There is more
While my dislike for KJ profile is a personal point of view it is a concern for fans - give 100 percent in games may be to much to ask especially when it feels like KJ is doing us a favor when he puts on the National Team Jersey. Well that's what it feels like. Yorke, Latas and the strike squad have set the bar high and I wonder if we will ever see quality again from a Tnt striker.
Hate me all you want
This will not stop me from writing what's on my mind or exposing some of the crap we are getting so use to seeing in the national teams. While it hurts me to write these articles as it may seem negative- it is only so if nothing is done about it and the same crap keeps re-occurring. We have hopes of improving, listening to the critics is part of the identifying process- this should be welcomed not fought down.
I don't know what you on about. Love, for who? If yuh mean objectivity then yeah.
It's great if you can be versatile, but many, many players are one trick players, however because of the level of coaching around them they seems very dynamic.
When Robben gets the ball you know exactly what he wants to do and he goes after that. Here's why he is successful in coming inside, finishing and being lauded as one of the best. Coaching. The team is organized so as to create space for Robben to be successful. Just like KJ in JA with 2-3 defenders giving him attention, so to Robben is often targeted, yet he is successful. Why? The coach develops strategies which will allow Robben to free himself to do what he needs to do. The individual as part of the team.
Gone are the days when we talk like you do. Man just need to be good. that is :bs: and why we are not successful. It was plain to see that our midfield was bereft of ideas. We had no plan in bringing KJ into the game. We had no plan to free KJ if he was targeted. We had no plan to use KJ as a decoy if he was targeted. This comes down to coaching and organization.
JA was by far and large much more prepared for us than we were for them. Whose fault is that KJ? All this talk about Captaincy is childish talk. What so hard about being captain? Captain nowadays is more or less a title. What if KJ motivated the players to play hard, win the game and he played shyte? Then what? What if he played a stellar game with a hat-trick and we lose? What then? Who is to say he is not giving 100%? Your experience as a fan? Your understanding of the game? Your personal feelings? KJ is a type of player for a certain type of playing style. You can't put a square peg in a round hole and then turn around and blame the peg. Kj is a player if you cater to, will produce results, simple.
I am not personal with these players and what they do cannot affect me personally, so I don't know about that. I ain't a THOT.
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Good! :beermug:
KENWYNE JONES XMAS PARTY
T&T captain Kenwyne Jones is away playing football... but he still managed to hold his first ever Christmas party for children in his home town of Point Fortin this weekend.
http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-KENWYNE-JONES-XMAS-PARTY-286630781.html (http://www.tv6tnt.com/sevenpm-news/-KENWYNE-JONES-XMAS-PARTY-286630781.html)
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WATCH Kenwyne Jones score his 9th goal of the English Championship season. He’s had three goals in his last four games.
https://www.youtube.com/v/Bdco8WHdQD0?start=270
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WATCH Kenwyne Jones score after 44 seconds of coming on as a substitute during a 3rd round FA Cup match against Colchester United. This is KJ’s 10th goal in all competitions this season.
https://www.youtube.com/v/oiFmkV7PNb8
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The faithful musbe ketchin hell
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The faithful musbe ketchin hell
ent lol
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we boy nemesis ;D
Peter Crouch: The Premier League millionaire everybody likes? (http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30748362)
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we boy nemesis ;D
Peter Crouch: The Premier League millionaire everybody likes? (http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30748362)
Yep..bet Sanch would like to give a penalty instead
(http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/46/469/469068/crouchepa2.jpg)
but this is where I became a englis"h opposition member - memories of Bertille.
It was only when the incident was picked up on the late night World Cup highlights programmes on BBC 1 and ITV 1 that the extent of Crouch's interference became clear. There was little sympathy for Sancho on Match of the Day, with pundit Ian Wright remarking: "It
serves him right for having long hair."...how it relates to Jones ? so much practices, and no write up of Jones putting a hard tackle in he tail :cursing:
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... so much practices, and no write up of Jones putting a hard tackle in he tail :cursing:
Jones ever been known for putting in a hard tackle?
...that should get a few pulses racing
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... so much practices, and no write up of Jones putting a hard tackle in he tail :cursing:
Jones ever been known for putting in a hard tackle?
...that should get a few pulses racing
I'm sure even Mother Kamla Therasa woulda make an exception
add: brings to mind when Yorke rest one on Sourness, and that was for less ;)
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WATCH Kenwyne Jones score his 11th goal of the season in Cardiff City’s 2-1 loss to Middlesbrough
https://www.youtube.com/v/8-6XlaRgz7U?start=327
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Like Kenwyne find he level fuh real boy.
Kidding... glad for him that he's scoring more frequently, it should give him some confidence, assure his spot in the team, and hopefully help his Men's National Team performances.
Side note: Like Cardiff gone back to they blue, or is that an alternate kit?
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Side note: Like Cardiff gone back to they blue, or is that an alternate kit?
Yeh, de owner bow tuh de pressure.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jan/09/cardiff-red-to-blue-kit-vincent-tan
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Yeh, de owner bow tuh de pressure.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jan/09/cardiff-red-to-blue-kit-vincent-tan
Oh okay... thanks. Happy to see that for the fans' sake he came to his senses.
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He scoring goals and still dem Cardiff fans doh like him. Too lazy. Man have to learn the art of jogging in a tight circle or something to look busy.
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He scoring goals and still dem Cardiff fans doh like him. Too lazy. Man have to learn the art of jogging in a tight circle or something to look busy.
Is not just about poaching goals... that is most important. Fans want to see industry, especially in the UK, you have to be willing to help the defense and midfield. I know he defends on corners etc. but it's the same criticism Balotelli has faced in England... except he eh even scoring right now.
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WATCH Kenwyne Jones almost buss de net with a bullet header in a 4th round FA Cup tie against Reading. Unfortunately, Reading fought back and won 2-1. This is KJ’s 12th goal in all competitions this season.
https://www.youtube.com/v/XQ6XOSJ_Fu8?start=38
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Like nobody else could score for that cub?
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Like nobody else could score for that cub?
He was the only one playing yesterday apparently: http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=153764&sid=818c11740a6d253b94eb62f3f743c087
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I like the faked pass, turn and shot. Is high time he start playing unpredictably like that again.
Good stuff.
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mostly headers he scores ..
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mostly headers he scores ..
Yeah..ah wonder how does a person manage that ...or does he usually miss all the bicycle kicks :D
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Kenwyne Jones is staying at Cardiff City - Russell Slade insists his star striker will stay as January fire sale continues
By Steve Tucker (Wales Online)
Cardiff City boss Russell Slade insists top-scorer Kenwyne Jones is staying at the club.
As the Bluebirds manager looks to cut the club’s wage bill, Jones remains one of the biggest earners at the club.
But Jones underlined his value as he made it 12 goals for the season and six in his last eight games when he opened the scoring in the FA Cup defeat to Reading.
“We’ve had no enquiries for Kenwyne,” said Slade.
“I am fairly confident that he will be here at the end of the month. Obviously if a ginormous offer came in for him then that would be left with the owner and chief executive and the committee, but, from my point of view, I’d like him here.
“He is our leading scorer.
“I’ve had assurances. At this stage there is no kind of mandate to lose Kenwyne Jones at all.”
There have been a number of high-profile exits as Cardiff seek to slash their wage bill. But Slade insisted it was not inevitable the club’s bigger players would be part of the cull.
“Not all the big earners will go,” added Slade.
“It depends who that might be and what position as well. We can take a hit on a midfielder or a centre-back. We still have work to do.
“I think it will be a busy week again for people at the football club. There are likely to be one or two more who exit the club, but we will balance that with one or two coming in as well.”
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Ginormous? Time to sack Slade.
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Is this wage cutting going to affect Hylands chances? any update on him
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Is this wage cutting going to affect Hylands chances? any update on him
He is in Norway trailing with Strømsgodset.
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Is this wage cutting going to affect Hylands chances? any update on him
He is in Norway trailing with Strømsgodset.
Thought he was offered a loan deal by Cardiff. What happened?
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TRANSFER RUMOUR: Kenwyne Jones could return to Stoke City
http://news.ladbrokes.com/football/premier-league/bojan-injury-pave-potters-boy-return_224682.html
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I cah even force my self to believe that lol
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It's real cut-throat dog-eat-dog out there.
Hope these guys have their poker faces on out there.
I also hope that the local players are watching and learn to play chess moves carefully with their careers.
Main thing is to be empowered with several job options and never beg or look desperate for a wok.
To avoid being desperate folks like Hyland must know they are good and do their homework and send the right body language and be well represented.
Good luck fellahs!
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KJ should go to Swansea, they need a replacement for Bony.
Stoke asshole manager has been bad to KJ.
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Agreed that KJ should stay clear of ungrateful Stoke
Get an ego boost that the same people who told yuh to "mash" and engaged in tasteless character assassination,
now thinking of eatin' humble pie and having the gall to ask yuh to come back.
KJ, tell the Stoke manager to get friggin' lost.
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Is this wage cutting going to affect Hylands chances? any update on him
He is in Norway trailing with Strømsgodset.
You have got to be kidding me
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KJ should go to Swansea, they need a replacement for Bony.
Stoke asshole manager has been bad to KJ.
Wish him the best, but he won't be in the running to replace WB. Definitely not on a like for like analysis.
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KJ should go to Swansea
I eh sure we have any players at the moment who could dictate where they should and shouldn't go.
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KJ should go to Swansea, they need a replacement for Bony.
Stoke asshole manager has been bad to KJ.
Agreed that KJ should stay clear of ungrateful Stoke
Get an ego boost that the same people who told yuh to "mash" and engaged in tasteless character assassination,
now thinking of eatin' humble pie and having the gall to ask yuh to come back.
KJ, tell the Stoke manager to get friggin' lost.
Agreed... Mark Hughes have to be some kinda sensitive jackass fuh getting vex because Kenwyne text him to tell him he eh feel like playing. Managers today need to accept that players are the ones making the most money, so players have a right to say when they feel like playing and when they don't. Matter of fact, KJ should text Van Gaal and tell him he feel like playing fuh Manchester United and then just show up at Old Trafford. If they doh like it just hop on de M40, ah sure they go love it at Stamford Bridge.
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Kenwyne Jones is staying at Cardiff City - Russell Slade insists his star striker will stay as January fire sale continues
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Kenwyne Jones's teammates are desperate to hold onto him
After John Brayford and Kim Bo-Kyung left Cardiff City on Saturday, manager Russell Slade insisted his top scorer, Kenwyne Jones, would be staying put.
Cardiff City boss Russell Slade insists top-scorer Kenwyne Jones is staying at the club.
As the Bluebirds manager looks to cut the club’s wage bill, Jones remains one of the biggest earners at the club.
But Jones underlined his value as he made it 12 goals for the season and six in his last eight games when he opened the scoring in the FA Cup defeat to Reading.
“We’ve had no enquiries for Kenwyne,” said Slade.
“I am fairly confident that he will be here at the end of the month. Obviously if a ginormous offer came in for him then that would be left with the owner and chief executive and the committee, but, from my point of view, I’d like him here.
“He is our leading scorer.
“I’ve had assurances. At this stage there is no kind of mandate to lose Kenwyne Jones at all.”
There have been a number of high-profile exits as Cardiff seek to slash their wage bill. But Slade insisted it was not inevitable the club’s bigger players would be part of the cull.
“Not all the big earners will go,” added Slade.
“It depends who that might be and what position as well. We can take a hit on a midfielder or a centre-back. We still have work to do.
“I think it will be a busy week again for people at the football club. There are likely to be one or two more who exit the club, but we will balance that with one or two coming in as well.”
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/kenwyne-jones-staying-cardiff-city-8514499
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For Kj , for TNT and for our psyche, we need to aspire to the highest pinnacle of competition. To see KJ playing regularly in the EPL would be the ultimate measure of where we need to be on the football scale of success.
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WATCH Kenwyne Jones score against Sheffield Wednesday to earn Cardiff City a point away from home.
https://www.youtube.com/v/ubiBze7bZTk?start=90
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Impressive!
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Kenwyne Jones is at Cardiff City to score goals... other players can do the running around
By Nathan Blake (Wales Online)
Cardiff City hero Nathan Blake insists striker Kenwyne Jones should be picked from the start, every week, whether he's willing to chase around for 90 minutes or not.
It was great to see Kenwyne Jones back in Cardiff City’s Championship starting line-up for the first time in almost a month – and he celebrated with a 13th goal of the season.
He’s scored seven in his last 10 appearances and that’s an outstanding record for a team in the lower half of the table.
I’ve heard all the talk about how Kenwyne needs to be more of a 90-minute player, to be charging around the pitch all the time challenging here, there and everywhere.
But that’s not what Cardiff City need him to be doing.
Kenwyne’s game is all about winning physical challenges, scoring goals and being a nightmare for opposing defenders in the air. His approach is not like, say, Duncan Ferguson, who did tend to put himself about.
Kenwyne can help the Bluebirds by doing what he does best – and that is to be a focal point in attack.
Asking a big guy of 6ft 4ins tall to run around all over the place is a typical British attitude. Why? That’s putting square pegs in round holes and doesn’t work. Kenwyne works hard, he puts in a shift, but football is not just about graft. There is far more to it and Kenwyne has the experience and knowhow to make teams he comes up against uncomfortable.
Other players in the team will be there to add the running and put themselves about in various areas of the pitch.
In my view, Kenwyne gets unfair press. Because his style can be a bit languid some people think he doesn’t care enough.
He cares a lot and is extremely effective for the team.
In my opinion Kenwyne has been Cardiff’s best player this season. No question. Thirteen goals in a struggling team says it all.
Cardiff don’t have another players in the group who could play a similar role to him and score the goals he does.
The Bluebirds are fortunate to have him in their team - and he’ll play a big part in ensuring City finish in a respectable Championship position.
Let’s hope City stick with Kenwyne and Eoin Doyle in attack against Brighton. They at least provide goals potential and could prove to be a useful combination.
The key, of course, is that a 1-1 draw at Sheffield Wednesday only becomes a good result if Cardiff win at home to Brighton.
They have a starting point, nothing more. After four successive defeats it was important to come up with something more positive and that’s what Russell Slade and his players have done.
Cardiff’s performance was half decent at Hillsborough and now we need to see a little more at home. The playing surface at Wednesday was poor, but it always is at this time of year. The pitch cuts up badly, but it was the same for both teams and Cardiff will have a far better pitch to play on at home.
Back-to-back home fixtures against Brighton and Blackburn is a real chance for Slade and his team. They can build on what was achieved in Sheffield and move forward with a little more confidence.
Their record now is one win in 10 league games – six points earned from the last 30 on offer. That’s simply not good enough no matter how you look at it and must be improved.
Slade’s team is starting to take shape. The transfer window has closed and this is, in so many ways, his team now.
It’s been a difficult spell. He had to cut the wage bill in a dramatic way. Plenty of players have gone and quite a few have come in.
These are Slade’s players now and we must see over the next few matches what can be achieved.
City’s first job is to beat Brighton, who are a team who like to get the ball down and pass.
That may prove a problem for Cardiff, who are low on confidence. There have been loads of disruptions, lots of change and a period of stability is needed.
Slade has said he still isn’t certain what his best starting XI is, but he needs to find out fast. Cardiff need a settled team if they are to put a run of results together and show they are a group of players with a bright future.
Simply beating Brighton is now the whole answer, of course, but it would be a solid step along the way.
If they can earn wins against both Brighton and Blackburn it would make a statement. City need to beat teams they are maybe not expected to beat and Blackburn, who are challenging for the play-offs, could come into that category.
At times it seems that Cardiff don’t have the mental strength to take control. If they are underdogs they seem to give it a go and see what happens.
But I want to see City players going out expecting to win, particularly at home. They must put themselves and each other under mental pressure and see it through.
If they can have a winning mindset the signs are that there is enough quality in their squad to have a decent set of results over the rest of this season.
They can at least ease any nerves about league position and enjoy the rest of this season. After all the turmoil so far during 2014-15 it would be fantastic if City could calm things down, work on playing in an entertaining way and move forward with a touch more confidence.
Their first job is to win against Brighton at Cardiff City Stadium tomorrow.
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Go KJ Go.. Watch out, it will get harder as by now they will recognize you are the threat..continue with the setup for your mates,and in the confusion of if or when they will score..buss goal in deh ...ahmm. ..net yeah..in deh net
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stay in the 2nd division
it would be interested to see his scoring record per games in lower divisions versus premier league
forwards is to score what is the point of playing in a division if you cant make the grade and score on a frequent basis.
only a few years left to play enjoy it by scoring goals on the regular.
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Kenwyne Jones reacts to T&T’s CONCACAF Gold Cup Draw and talks about his season so far at Cardiff
https://www.youtube.com/v/3-glhgmDv-8
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This man is a very large body , good for getting goals when one is badly needed. This man allows for the Direct ball from deep..any angle..he is a big aerial target..He should be the man whose job is to wear down central defenders..thus allowing our speedy forwards to look even faster.
For me he is a valuable asset different from Stern John who was a scorer ..Jones should be used as a facilitator for other attackers to score.
He can serve as a target for the Direct option any angle.
He can hold up the ball
He can set picks
He can battle with center backs
He can serve as a big defender when defending corners and set plays.
He shouldn't be allowed to dribble the ball for more than 10 meters
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Cardiff City striker Kenwyne Jones to sign for AFC Bournemouth on loan until the end of the season
By Steve Tucker (Wales Online)
Cardiff City top-scorer Kenwyne Jones is set to leave the club to go on loan to high-flying Championship side Bournemouth for the remainder of the season after the Bluebirds confirmed they have accepted an offer.
The 30-year-old has hit 13 goals so far this campaign for Russell Slade’s side and played the full 90 minutes in the Bluebirds last outing, a 2-0 home win over Birmingham last weekend.
The Trinidad & Tobago international joined the Bluebirds from Stoke in January 2014 in a deal which saw Peter Odemwingie move in the opposite direction. In total he has made 47 appearances for the Bluebirds and scored 14 goals in the process.
Slade has found himself presiding over severe cost-cutting at Cardiff and Jones would be the latest high-profile player to leave following Matthew Connolly’s move out on loan to Watford last week.
The deadline for emergency loans is at 5pm on Thursday and any deal would be subject to international clearance.
Cardiff City confirmed they had accepted a loan offer for the striker on their website.
They said: "Cardiff City Football Club has accepted a loan offer for Kenwyne Jones from AFC Bournemouth.
"Kenwyne will link up with the Cherries immediately, subject to international clearance.
"The emergency loan spell will run until May 2 2015 inclusive, though will be extended until 25th May (inclusive), should Bournemouth feature in the Sky Bet Championship Play-Off Final that day.
"We wish Kenwyne the very best of luck during his time away."
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KJ to Bournemouth
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBCIhQCWkAA0s1g.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/v/cCd1G9abG3s&feature=youtu.be
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all the best kj :beermug:
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Cardiff City boss Russell Slade says Kenwyne Jones loan departure not a footballing decision, but a business one
By Steve Tucker (WalesOnline)
Cardiff City manager Russell Slade says the decision to let top scorer Kenwyne Jones join Bournemouth on loan until the end of the season was “a business one.”
The Bluebirds shocked their fans by agreeing to a deal with Cherries boss Eddie Howe which sees Jones wearing Bournemouth colours for the rest of the season.
It comes hot on the heels of Cardiff also having let defender Matt Connolly sign for Watford on loan.
Slade said of the Jones move: "Similar to the Connolly deal. It's a financial decision really.
"We are not going up or down at this stage so in financial terms, it made sense for us. It is not a footballing decision but I would like to wish Kenwyne all the very best until the end of the season at Bournemouth."
WalesOnline understands Bournemouth have agreed to pay Jones' considerable salary and bonuses for the rest of the season.
The Bluebirds have received a sizeable six-figure loan fee from Bournemouth. They will also receive another six-figure fee should Howe's men be promoted to the Premier League with Jones on board.
We also understand no firm decision has been made on Jones' future in the Welsh capital.
Jones joins Connolly and Adam Le Fondre as key Bluebirds personnel under Slade who have surprisingly been permitted to go out on loan.
Trinidad & Tobago international Jones joined the Bluebirds from Stoke in January 2014 in a deal which saw Peter Odemwingie move in the opposite direction. In total he has made 47 appearances for the Bluebirds and scored 14 goals in the process.
The 30-year-old has hit 13 goals so far this campaign for Slade’s side and played the full 90 minutes in the Bluebirds last outing, a 2-0 home win over Birmingham last weekend.
Meanwhile Slade has welcomed promising Arsenal youngster Semi Ajayi, who signs on loan for the rest of the season.
He said of the defender: “He's only 20 and very much a work in progress for us.
"He won't be near the first team this season. He will train with the senior squad and under-21s.
"He's an interesting player and exciting for his age. It's definitely something we will look at in summer. But let's see how things go."
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They're paying his salary and bonus... AND paying Cardiff a fee on top of that? Good bit of business by Cardiff... especially if, as Slade say, Cardiff aren't at risk for relegation.
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32068276
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Wow, I know relegation can take a toll on clubs but didn't realize that Cardiff get mash-up like that. Well I guess if he is one of their highest earners and they not pushing for promotion and not in danger of another relegation, this makes business sense.
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Trinidad football international forwards make loan moves
CONCACAF.com PORT OF SPAIN, Trinidad & Tobago (March 27, 2015) – A pair of Trinidad & Tobago international forwards sealed loan moves on Thursday in announcements made on two different continents.
Cardiff City sent Kenwyne Jones to fellow English Championship side Bournemouth (73 points), which currently tops the table by a single point over Watford and Middlesbrough. The top two clubs earn automatic promotion to the Premier League.
The 30-year-old, who has been capped 57 times and joined Cardiff from Stoke City in January 2014, scored 13 goals in 27 games in all competitions this season. Jones also possesses Premier League experience with Southampton and Sunderland. His loan agreement will run until May 2, but could be extended until May 25 if Bournemouth features in the Sky Bet Championship Play-Off Final that day.
In North America, Rundell Winchester joined Timbers 2 (T2) -- the United Soccer Leagues team of Major League Soccer’s Portland Timbers -- from Central FC of the TT Pro League, Trinidad’s top-flight circuit.
He tallied 19 goals in 34 matches for the Sharks, leading them to a Lucozade Sport Goal Shield in 2014 and taking both the tournament MVP and Golden Boot honors. Winchester also helped them to a second-place finish in the TT Pro League and was awarded Young Footballer of the Year, Goal of the Season and Supporters Goal of the Season by his own club in 2014. The 21-year-old has four caps for the Soca Warriors, making his senior team debut on October 16, 2013, as a substitute against New Zealand.
http://boxscorenews.com/trinidad-football-international-forwards-make-loan-moves-p117626-68.htm
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That is one tight race in trute :nailbiting:
http://www.espnfc.us/english-league-championship/24/table
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Cardiff City have misused Kenwyne Jones and I don't get why he's been allowed to join Bournemouth
By Nathan Blake (Wales Online)
I don’t know Kenwyne Jones. I certainly can’t remember playing against him in the last few seasons of my career or even saying hello to the guy.
But I am certain he’s a highly effective centre-forward, particularly at Championship level, and it’s difficult to fathom why he has been allowed to join Championship leaders Bournemouth on loan.
For me he should have stayed with Cardiff City as they make plans to start 2015-16 on the front foot.
It’s clear the financial rewards for the club in giving their go-ahead to the deal were significant, including a loan fee plus a bonus if the Cherries go up, but it’s crucial City challenge hard for promotion next season and Jones must be part of that bid.
Right now, though, manager Russell Slade’s team are stuck in mid-table mediocrity and Jones is preparing to give Bournemouth’s title challenge a boost over their last seven fixtures.
Okay, that’s a great temporary move for Jones, who will pose a substantial forward threat for Bournemouth, but Slade is left to get on with his plans for the future without him.
City currently have seven senior strikers under contract and in line to be part of the squad next season. If I had to choose three of them now it would be Jones plus Adam Le Fondre, currently out on loan at Bolton, and Joe Mason, who is just back from a spell with Bolton and is regaining fitness after a bad hamstring strain.
For me the other four, Eoin Doyle, Federico Macheda, Nicky Maynard and Alex Revell still have a fair bit to prove.
Jones will link up with Bournemouth early next week to start preparing for their next fixture, at Ipswich next Saturday.
He is Cardiff’s top scorer on 13 goals, but apparently hasn’t been guaranteed a start with Bournemouth. I reckon he will make a significant impact on their season and I hope the Cherries play him in the right way.
I’ve been a bit perplexed about the way Slade has used Jones at times this season, playing him too deep in a sort of No.10 support role.
Why on earth would you do that? The way to get the best out of Jones is to play him as an out-and-out centre-forward.
He can take on both central defenders, give them a bruising time and that’s when the likes of Doyle or Revell can support and make the most of chances he can create.
But Slade has sometimes used him in deep and that doesn’t make sense. He is not that style of player.
Opposing defenders will love to see Jones sitting back and out of their faces. It’s not as if City have another striker who is technically gifted or lightning quick to lead the attack instead. They don’t.
It’s puzzled me why Jones was being asked to play a withdrawn role which seems to expose any weaknesses he has.
And now he’s off to the seaside. It’s not as if Bournemouth are a bigger club than Cardiff, far from it, but they are top of the table and in a much better position.
Most fans would say their manager, Eddie Howe, is among the best young coaches around and I’d like to think he will use him in the right way.
Callum Wilson is Bournemouth’s top scorer. He has great movement and an eye for goal. Wilson and Jones could be a potent partnership.
I can see the big man tying up Championship defenders with sheer physical presence, allowing Wilson to run in behind. That’s a role I once had with Sheffield United and it’s a beautiful thing to be given that job. I loved it. There is a real freedom being able to watch your strike partner take the bangs and bruises while you run in to pick up the pieces and hopefully score goals.
Slade has said that the departures of Matt Connolly to Watford and Jones to Bournemouth are for business reasons. That really means they are cost cutting measures.
I can understand that City are mid-table and can’t really achieve anything this season, but they are trying to rebuild and it says a lot about our club’s ambition when they are cutting costs at this stage.
Maybe the days of big money signings have gone, but those players don’t always make the best team. Bournemouth have done it without splashing out massive money, Southampton in the Premier League have built steadily and are up there competing with the top clubs.
The task for Slade is to ensure he signs the right calibre of players to ensure he has a group who, working together, can become a successful team. It’s going to be tough next season. Three clubs will come down from the Premier League, probably three from Sunderland, Burnley, QPR and Leicester, while Bournemouth, Watford, Middlesbrough, Norwich, Derby and Ipswich are battling for promotion. Three of them will miss out and, along with the three coming down, are sure to push on even harder next season.
Right now it’s difficult to see Cardiff competing against those clubs. I wish Slade all the best and would love him to prove me wrong, but there is a lot of work ahead if that is to happen. He will have to add a few more players who can make a quick impact.
There is no room for sentiment as Slade plans for the future. He needs a committed group who are ready for the Championship battle and anybody who falls short in the fitness stakes should be moved on.
Seven games to go and the Bluebirds must now plan ahead. The pressure is growing already and Slade must deliver in terms of a solid start next season. We all need to see Bluebirds’ progress.
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AFC Bournemouth: New loan signing Kenwyne Jones tells all
By Neil Perrett (Bournemouth Echo)
NEW Cherries loan signing Kenwyne Jones yesterday faced the media for the first time since his move from Cardiff City.
Here is a transcript of his interview.
Were you expecting this move?
“No. Actually, it caught me by surprise. I didn’t think there were many things in football that would have surprised me any more and this actually did. It threw me off a little bit because I was on my way to training at Cardiff on Thursday and, literally, it took place in half an hour so I’m still trying to understand how that came about.”
What explanation were you given as to why Cardiff were letting you go?
“It’s a funny situation. We’ve been dealing with a funny situation all season. Basically, I was just told I was going, more or less. I didn’t really have a say in the matter. I think it was already done before I got the phone call so I’m here.”
Nathan Blake said he felt you were misused at Cardiff. Would you go along with that?
“Well, I think he probably has his opinion of what was needed for Cardiff. Cardiff went through a situation this year that has been very topsy-turvy from the beginning of the season until now. We have lost managers, changed managers, lost managers, changed managers and then you have the uprooting of players, some who you thought were fixtures. They left, for whatever reason, and the team has been unstable all season. So, for what Cardiff is going to be, you are going to see that properly next season. Well, hopefully.”
Do you feel let down by Cardiff at all?
“I’m sorry, I don’t carry those feelings around with me. Football, we know, is a business. It’s a short career and you have to make the best of it. Things like this happen, sometimes every year for people.
"So, at this present time, I’ve been with Cardiff for one year and now I’m here until the end of the season. Where I am in a couple of months, whether it be here or abroad, who knows? That’s the life of a football player so I’m just looking at the moment for now.”
Are you pleased to be at Bournemouth?
“Yes, of course. It’s an exciting time for Bournemouth. They have a very good set-up here, the coaching staff are very good and they have a very good playing philosophy and I’m happy to at least sneak in and be a part of it for a short time.”
What have you made of Eddie Howe and how does he compare with managers you have worked with in the past?
“It’s been a short time. I’ve been very impressed with his work-rate, attention to detail and his philosophy so, on the club front, without fail, he’s probably the best manager I have worked with in that short space of time.
What have you been told about you role?
“I’m here to bolster, I’m here to challenge but it’s all about lending experience to try to get the guys over the line. Maybe, with the remaining fixtures, it might call for different things however the manager sees it and he will make that decision when the time comes. But I’m here just trying to become part of the furniture for the moment and work as well as the guys and, hopefully, that will go well.”
Do you feel you fit in with Bournemouth’s style of play?
“To be really honest, I think my style of play is mistaken. For the teams that I’ve played in, of course, they adopted the more direct situation, based on ability. But away from here with my national team, I don’t play that style of football so there are quite a few coaches and managers that know that about me. I don’t think the manager here didn’t know that before he enquired about me so, hopefully, I will fit in well and be able to lend some experience and, of course, get them promoted.”
Do you see this as a step up?
“In some ways, yes, in some ways, no. Here, they have the right idea and the right way to go about things. I’m not trying to damn myself, things weren’t happening in the right way at Cardiff. They have an ambition here and they have done well over the past few years and would fare pretty well if they went up again into the Premier League because the manager believes in his philosophy and he trusts the players 100 per cent and the players trust the manager and work for him and work for each other.”
Are Bournemouth equipped to step up?
“If you leave this division and go to the Premier League, you can have the tendency to interfere too much and destroy the philosophy you have been working with for the past few years. That again is down to the manager and the staff when that times comes. Over the past few days training with the team and inter-acting with them and the manager, (top of the league) is a true indication of where they are. The way they train and the way they prepare, it has been on point. In all honesty, over my career, it’s nothing that I’ve ever seen before and I’m quite excited by it. They do have the formula to do well so kudos to the manager, the staff and the club for the way they have been going about their business and, hopefully, they will be able to take that into the final seven games and also into next season.”
How different has it felt to be at Bournemouth?
“I’ve played at Bournemouth before. It’s always been a smallish club. But for the ambition that they have, I’m guessing that things would happen for them to expand somehow in whatever stages they feel necessary. They have a brilliant fan-base. Everyone supports the club properly and the club has been working in the right direction to get to where they are. It doesn’t have the fit of what you think a small club might be.”
Do you have aspirations to get back into the Premier League, potentially with Bournemouth?
“The aspiration at the moment is to work well and to keep the run going. Being on top, winning games, playing well and hopefully tipping them over the top to promotion. From what I have seen from the past few days, they are of the mindset of actually finishing first and not just getting promoted by finishing second. I’m happy to come into a place where everyone is of the same mindset so that in itself makes it easier for you to come in to push yourself and to become part of the furniture so that’s the aspiration for now. When that finishes, we’ll have a rest and then see what happens.”
What was a Cardiff player’s version of Callum Wilson’s disallowed goal?
“To be fair, we didn’t have an explanation of why it was disallowed. I’ve been in that position before where you stand outside the box in front of the goalkeeper and they try to say it’s unsporting conduct, even though you can stand outside the box. But when the goalkeeper is at the top of the box, they say give him a few steps, even though you are outside and I guess that’s what they blew for. I’m not a referee, I don’t know!”
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Kenwyne can sound like a true twat at times haha.
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Kenwyne can sound like a true twat at times haha.
How so as it refers to this interview?
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Kenwyne can sound like a true twat at times haha.
Please explain
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Good interview by Kenwyne Jones.
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“The aspiration at the moment is to work well and to keep the run going. Being on top, winning games, playing well and hopefully tipping them over the top to promotion. From what I have seen from the past few days, they are of the mindset of actually finishing first and not just getting promoted by finishing second. I’m happy to come into a place where everyone is of the same mindset so that in itself makes it easier for you to come in to push yourself and to become part of the furniture so that’s the aspiration for now. When that finishes, we’ll have a rest and then see what happens.”
Forward Skipper...
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Cardiff City manager says “I don't think Kenwyne Jones has played last Cardiff City game”
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/russell-slade-qa-joe-mason-8975816
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he now come on and buss the net with his first touch
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First Touch and the big man muscle his way and score with a header. What a debut for our skipper and the double flip. happy days are here again. Today is really Good Friday
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GOAL !!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iSRBcr2jbU
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That is a brilliant header!
Daiz a nex Trinbago colours side Kenwyne playing for eh.
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Eddie Howe delighted with Bournemouth's 1-1 draw at Ipswich
Skysports.com
Eddie Howe hailed his AFC Bournemouth side after they came away with a point at promotion rivals Ipswich with an equaliser he claimed was an "un-Bournemouth goal".
After seeing his side go behind to Freddie Sears' ninth minute opener, Bournemouth created a number of good chances but could find no way past Ipswich goalkeeper Bartosz Bialkowski.
That changed eight minutes from time when the usual free-flowing Bournemouth looked more direct and Kenwyne Jones headed home Matt Ritchie's corner.
Bialkowski was the injury-time hero once again when he brilliantly tipped away Yann Kermorgant's towering header to ensure both teams had to settle for a point from this Sky Bet Championship match.
Howe admitted he was disappointed that his side did not leave Suffolk with three points but hailed the impact of debutant Jones, who signed on loan from Cardiff 10 days ago.
Howe said: "Kenwyne is always going to be a presence but he is more than that - he has good feet.
"He can be very important for us and he scored a very un-Bournemouth goal if you like.
"I was delighted as we don't come back from losing positions very often but I still think we should have won the game, had we been more clinical in front of goal."
Bournemouth had started the day as leaders, while Ipswich briefly slipped out of the top six before kick-off.
The home side made the perfect start when some lacklustre defending allowed Daryl Murphy the time to control Cole Skuse's deep cross and tee up Sears to score and continue his fine form since signing from Colchester.
Bournemouth reacted well and the dangerous Ryan Fraser came closest to equalising, only to be denied by a brilliant save from Bialkowski.
The second half was evenly matched, although Bournemouth keeper Artur Boric denied the onrushing Luke Varney before Jones claimed the equaliser.
Ipswich boss Mick McCarthy conceded that his side's tilt at an automatic promotion spot was almost over.
He added: "I can't honestly say it wasn't a fair result, they had a lot of the game. That said, of course I am disappointed to concede like that.
"They put on a very expensive acquisition (in Jones) and maybe he has started to pay some of that back with that goal.
"There is an irony that we are meant to be a direct, long ball team and they put someone on and launch it to him to score.
"It was probably a must-win (for automatic promotion) but all we can keep doing is adding to the points and see where it takes us on May 2.
"Ipswich has a team to be proud of and we are a real threat to anyone we play against."
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Good goal by KJ. Boy, he always seem to get transferred to a red and black team.
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I have to agree, good goal by Kenwyne! KJ play to your strengths and do it well, that's the nature of the business.
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thats a brilliant header. did well to shake of the two defenders
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Came on for 2 minutes today and had the keeper outstretched to make a save...bourne mouth win 4-2...
Man turning in up De championship. ..keep it up skipper!
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Wait I now realise that that was another debut goal for Jones. That man have a knack.
Yeah I might need a checkup.
Bournemouth don't have any more games against promotion rivals.
Never been in the prem before either.
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Jones features in the latest issue of Bournemouth’s Matchday Programme
afcb.co.uk
Kenwyne Jones is the cover star of Matchday for the penultimate home game of the 2014/15 season.
As well as discussing his career to date, the targetman discusses his plans for the future.
“I had trials at Middlesbrough and Glasgow Rangers a couple of times before I got a move to England, but the time wasn’t right for anything to be done,” he tells Matchday.
“In 2004 Paul Sturrock signed me at Southampton, which is where the story continued.
“When he left and went to Sheffield Wednesday, I went there on loan and scored seven in seven.
“At the time I was 19 and a bit scrawnier, but it was my first experience in league football, and I have fond memories of it because that’s where I first went and did well.
“It pushed them in the right direction and it was special to be part of such a big club even for a short time.
“Sometimes I think of it as my life going in full circle because I started on the south coast and now at this point 11 years later I am back here.
“I also went to Stoke on loan and I ended up signing for them a few years after, so it’s a bit funny but that’s the way life goes and that’s the way this football game goes, so you have to sit and wait and see what’s going to unfold.”
As always, the 100 page issue also includes lots more, including notes from Tommy Elphick, Eddie Howe and Jeff Mostyn.
Adam Smith reminisces on his school days, senior analyst Garvan Stewart speaks in the final word and there are also action images from Ipswich Town, Brighton & Hove Albion and Reading.
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Bournemouth roaring into the EPL.
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Cardiff City make £600,000 from Kenwyne Jones loan deal to Bournemouth... and he's only played 41 minutes!
By Terry Phillips (Wales Online)
Cardiff City have earned a huge £250,000 bonus thanks to Bournemouth’s incredible promotion to the Premier League.
The windfall is part of the loan deal that saw Cardiff striker Kenwyne Jones controversially move to the Cherries in January.
That deal has now netted the Bluebirds an impressive £600,000 in total after Bournemouth also paid an initial £350,000 loan fee. The newly-promoted club have also paid all of Jones' substantial wages during his stay.
Jones has only played a total of 41 minutes in five appearances off the bench, meaning the Bluebirds have received £14,634 for every minute of action he's played.
Bournemouth clinched their place in the top flight, barring an astonishing turnaround of 20 goals on the final day of the season this Sunday, with a 3-0 victory against Bolton when Jones was an unused substitute.
H has scored one goal since his move to the south coast a month ago and is still eligible for Bournemouth in this Sunday’s last Championship fixture at Charlton.
Trinidad and Tobago international Jones, who has a year left on his Cardiff City contract, will then return to South Wales next week for talks on his Bluebirds future with manager Russell Slade.
Jones is City’s top scorer with 13 goals this season and has described his loan move to Bournemouth as ‘bizarre’.
Asked if he will play for Cardiff again, he said: “I don’t know. I absolutely don’t know. Whatever the thought process behind all of this is, it’s not down to me. In a couple of months or about three months, you’ll probably find out what’s the next step and, hopefully, it’s a step in the right direction, whichever direction it is.”
He added: “I have seen and been through quite a lot in football and this one was a bit surprising,” he said. “I got a call on Thursday at a quarter-past-eight talking about interest.
“I was like, with seven games to go, I don’t really see the sense in it. By a quarter-to-nine, it was finished. Whatever transpired between whoever in that 30 minutes, I don’t know.”
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Damn 14,634 a minute. ...is that like a all time highest paid athlete...even if was just only for a bit ;D
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Damn 14,634 a minute. ...is that like a all time highest paid athlete...even if was just only for a bit ;D
In the scheme of things it is worth every penny. His one goal was worth one more point. Without that point they would be playing for their lives next week! Remember premiership money is crazy and can in no way compare to championship dregs!
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Damn 14,634 a minute. ...is that like a all time highest paid athlete...even if was just only for a bit ;D
In the scheme of things it is worth every penny. His one goal was worth one more point. Without that point they would be playing for their lives next week! Remember premiership money is crazy and can in no way compare to championship dregs!
And look at that, they just won the championship league title by one point ;D
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Will we see mr. Jones in the EPL next year?
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I believe that is to be decided.
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Will we see mr. Jones in the EPL next year?
We eh even seeing him in de Championship. Bournemouth giving him pigeon sweat off de bench. Unless a Leicester or somebody come in for him, I really eh seeing it.
Think I've been hearing hint bout de MLS as a possibility recently.
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Kenwyne Jones still unclear on long-term future
By Andy Mitchell (Bournemouth Echo)
LOAN star Kenwyne Jones admitted he is no closer to an answer on his long-term future – despite Cherries’ title success.
The Cardiff frontman, who completed a last-ditch loan move to Dean Court for the final seven games of the season, played just 41 minutes in the red and black but popped up with a crucial equaliser on his debut at Ipswich.
Jones, a Trinidad and Tobago international, has a year to run on his contract with City but is yet to hold talks with his parent club.
“I have not had any discussions with anyone about anything yet. Right now, I just want to enjoy the moment and what happens in the future will happen.
“When the time comes to have that conversation, we will see.”
Meanwhile, Jones insisted Cherries had deserved their “fairytale” finish to the Championship title race having found the perfect mix of style and substance.
“I would like to say congratulations to the football club and all the fans because, more than anything, they deserved to win the league,” he added.
“It does not matter what style of play you have, it is all about getting results and points. But they did it in the way they wanted to, played the best football all season and won the Championship so kudos to them.
“We knew there was a chance of the title so it was about keeping focus, putting forward the right kind of performance and getting among the goals.
“It was some sort of fairytale with Watford slipping up and sometimes, that is how it happens.
“We couldn’t really focus on them, though. It was about protecting the unbeaten run and giving the fans something to go away with. We didn’t want it to be a situation where we didn’t perform properly.”
Fielding a question on the future on on-loan goalkeeper Artur Boruc, Cherries manager Eddie Howe said: "We are reviewing all the players' futures at the moment and what happens with our loan players.”
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Western Sydney Wanderers chasing Cardiff hit-man Kenwyne Jones
By David Lewis (The World Game)
Trinidad and Tobago striker Kenwyne Jones is understood to be on Western Sydney Wanderers’ wanted list as coach Tony Popovic sets about rebuilding his strike force for next season.
With the attacking trident of Tomi Juric, Kerem Bulut and Nikita Rukavytsya all departing the Wanderers, Popovic - who knows all about Jones from his time in England as a player and then assistant coach at Crystal Palace - is believed to be keen to bring the 30-year-old Cardiff City forward to Pirtek Stadium.
Muscular and menacing, Jones has scored 88 goals in 343 games over the past 11 seasons in his spells with Southampton, Sheffield Wednesday (loan), Stoke City (twice), Sunderland, Cardiff City and AFC Bournemouth (loan).
Jones has a year remaining on a lucrative contract with the Bluebirds – who he joined from Stoke 18 months ago – having just returned from a loan spell with Bournemouth, where he scored once in six games off the bench as the Cherries won promotion to the promised land of the Premier League.
Cardiff, relegated from the top tier in 2013-2014, is desperate to reduce its wage bill with Jones reportedly the club’s top earner on $58,000 per week.
Even as an international marquee, he could not expect to earn anything close to that at Western Sydney but the club has signalled its interest and is hoping Jones’s sense of football adventure might outweigh purely financial considerations.
Before his January loan move to Bournemouth, which finished top of the Championship, Jones had netted 11 times in 34 appearances for Cardiff.
Capped 88 times by his country, Jones is known for being headstrong and was fined two weeks' wages at Stoke City in January last year after texting coach Mark Hughes to inform him he was 'unavailable' to play against Liverpool.
Stoke, which paid Sunderland $16 million for Jones in 2010, went on to lose the game 5-3 and he departed the Britannia Stadium in a swap deal with Peter Odemwingie two week later.
The World Game approached Jones’s UK agent for a comment on his future but received no reply.
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Might as well come MLS rather than go Australia.
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Western Sydney Wanderers chasing Cardiff hit-man Kenwyne Jones
By David Lewis (The World Game)
Trinidad and Tobago striker Kenwyne Jones is understood to be on Western Sydney Wanderers’ wanted list as coach Tony Popovic sets about rebuilding his strike force for next season.
With the attacking trident of Tomi Juric, Kerem Bulut and Nikita Rukavytsya all departing the Wanderers, Popovic - who knows all about Jones from his time in England as a player and then assistant coach at Crystal Palace - is believed to be keen to bring the 30-year-old Cardiff City forward to Pirtek Stadium.
Muscular and menacing, Jones has scored 88 goals in 343 games over the past 11 seasons in his spells with Southampton, Sheffield Wednesday (loan), Stoke City (twice), Sunderland, Cardiff City and AFC Bournemouth (loan).
Jones has a year remaining on a lucrative contract with the Bluebirds – who he joined from Stoke 18 months ago – having just returned from a loan spell with Bournemouth, where he scored once in six games off the bench as the Cherries won promotion to the promised land of the Premier League.
Cardiff, relegated from the top tier in 2013-2014, is desperate to reduce its wage bill with Jones reportedly the club’s top earner on $58,000 per week.
Even as an international marquee, he could not expect to earn anything close to that at Western Sydney but the club has signalled its interest and is hoping Jones’s sense of football adventure might outweigh purely financial considerations.
Before his January loan move to Bournemouth, which finished top of the Championship, Jones had netted 11 times in 34 appearances for Cardiff.
Capped 88 times by his country, Jones is known for being headstrong and was fined two weeks' wages at Stoke City in January last year after texting coach Mark Hughes to inform him he was 'unavailable' to play against Liverpool.
Stoke, which paid Sunderland $16 million for Jones in 2010, went on to lose the game 5-3 and he departed the Britannia Stadium in a swap deal with Peter Odemwingie two week later.
The World Game approached Jones’s UK agent for a comment on his future but received no reply.
Who wrote this article, Ian Prescott?
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Stoke, which paid Sunderland $16 million for Jones in 2010, went on to lose the game 5-3 and he departed the Britannia Stadium in a swap deal with Peter Odemwingie two week later.
The World Game approached Jones’s UK agent for a comment on his future but received no reply.
Who wrote this article, Ian Prescott?
This is from an Australian website. Stoke paid £8 million for KJ, which in Australian dollars amounts to $16 million.
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This man hv no premier league interest? Anybody know anything?
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Whappen? nobody want to assess KJ performance for his country in the recent match against Jordan? :D
man does only have mouth when their favorite players play couple good games for their clubs
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man does only have mouth when their least favorite players play couple bad games
Agreed.
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just finish watching the game.......again, and again i am baffled beyond compare as to how this guy managed 8 years in the EPL. i was never a kenwin jones fan, sorry. this brother cannot run with the ball he's clumsy he cannot dribble he has the first touch of a rhino he's soft he complains a lot he's big for nothing he doesn't out muscle players with his size, and the really sad thing is that the one strength he does have our players don't capitalize on it not merely enough, and that's his aerial prowess. on average our wingers should be putting in at least ten crosses in the box if not more per game.
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Kenwyne Jones linked to Columbus Crew SC
By Patrick Guldan (massivereport.com)
The transfer window opens in a couple days and the rumors are heating up. With Crew SC sitting at the edge of the Eastern Conference playoff picture, the team could use some reinforcements. So start the rumor mill.
Kenwyne Jones is a Trinidad and Tobago international. He is a bruising target forward who currently plays for Cardiff City in the Championship, a step below the English Premier League. He scored 13 times to lead the team despite being sent on loan to Bournemouth in late March.
As evidenced by the loan deal, Jones is most certainly available as Cardiff looks to cut costs. He has a year left on his deal, but I'm sure his team would love to get his reported $45,000 a week salary off the balance sheet for a cut rate fee.
That leaves Crew SC on the hook for a large salary. Jones likely won't want to terminate his $2.4 million a year deal to accept a lot less money. Jones would very likely be a Designated Player coming into a system that currently uses a single forward. Either Berhalter is changing systems or augmenting the striker corps at a high cost. I'm not sure the math makes sense.
Now to fully bury the lead. A prospective Jones transfer is a very long shot. Coming back to how this rumor started. It's a single tweet from a single source. Many of these sources are agents who are trying to stir up interest in their player. The definitions of talks gets a little loose. I've received emails and tweets suggesting Crew SC are in negotiations with a player and some come to fruition while nothing came from plenty others. I take those with a grain of salt.
It also could be very true that the team did reach out to Jones to gauge his interest in coming to MLS. Perhaps Jones doesn't want to give up his European adventure. Maybe Crew SC doesn't like the salary requirements that Jones came back with. Those are talks, just not fruitful ones.
Frankly, I expect Crew SC is talking to several players over the course of the year. Many of those conversations never get past the early stages. Jones very well may fit into that scenario. It's a challenge to find players who fit the system, at the right price, and with the right mentality. You talk to a lot of players to find the ones that want to be in town and the ones who fit payroll.
I certainly could be wrong. I doubted the Cedrick Mabwati transfer would go through, but Crew SC got the deal done. However, when I look at what this team needs, the salary Jones would command, and the thin sourcing, I see this as a very long shot.
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Trinidad and Tobago star Kenwyne Jones in talks with multiple MLS clubs
By Kyle Bonn (yanksarecoming.com)
Former Stoke, Sunderland, and Southampton striker Kenwyne Jones is in talks with two Major League Soccer clubs over a transfer to the United States, two sources close to the player confirmed to The Yanks Are Coming.
Jones was the spark plug for Trinidad & Tobago’s double comeback against Mexico on Wednesday night to secure the top spot in Group C of the 2015 Gold Cup, a feat the tiny island nation has never achieved. Jones was especially significant in the second half, bagging a goal and also was instrumental in two others, although he did net an unlucky own goal towards the end. The match, which ended in a 4-4 draw, is already being considered one of the best Gold Cup matches ever played.
Asked after the match if he felt this was an audition in the United States, Jones said his past speaks for itself. “No, absoutely not. I don’t think I have to come prove myself. I’ve been playing in England all my career – what…12, 13 years? – so I don’t think I have to come prove myself and what I can do.”
Jones has been playing with the Trinidad & Tobago national team for 12 years, and has 75 caps, the 9th most in his country’s history. He likened Wednesday’s emotional comeback to a 2005 World Cup qualifier against Mexico, where the team came back to win 2-1 and secure a qualifying place in the Hexagonal, eventually qualifying for the 2006 World Cup. He mentioned how he was just 19 years old then, and how this match can be for the country’s younger players what the 2005 game was for him.
Jones is currently under contract with Cardiff City until the summer of 2016 but his future there is in question. Since signing with Cardiff City, he’s scored 13 goals in 47 Championship appearances, and was sent on loan to Bournemouth this past March, scoring a goal and proving a positive addition to the squad that would eventually earn promotion to the Premier League. However, his wage bill is reportedly over £30,000 per week, something Cardiff would likely wish to shed while playing in the English second tier.
Speaking prior to training Tuesday night in Charlotte, Jones fell just short of confirming he would be moving to the United States, and spoke very highly of MLS.
“With the league growing such as this, and it being much closer to home for me, sometimes it’s a no-brainer, but it depends on if everything comes together for that to happen,” the Port Fortin native said of a potential move to MLS. “We all know that soccer, or football, here is run different than it is everywhere else, so it might take a lot of things, or it might take nothing for me to be here, so I can’t really worry about it. I’m happy that my name is being linked and I welcome that, but we’ll just have to wait and see what happens.”
According to a pair of sources, Jones is in talks with two playoff caliber clubs with open Designated Player spots, a position he would likely occupy given he is unlikely to agree to a salary cut to move to the United States.
At age 30 – set to turn 31 in early October – Jones specifically referenced a hope of extending his career in the near future. “Playing football in different places is attractive,” Jones said at Bank of America Stadium. “You don’t get to do this all your life – most people finish at 35 [years old] if they’re lucky.”
Jones has a long history of success as a pure target man in the English game. During stints with Southampton, Stoke City, and Sunderland, Jones has 40 Premier League goals to his name across 195 appearances, plus another 34 goals in 122 Championship matches. He’s had even more success in limited action outside of league play, with 19 goals in 40 appearances between the FA Cup, English League Cup, and Europa League.
It’s easy to point to both the present and past history of target men in Major League Soccer as reasons why Jones could be successful in the league. Most recently, Columbus Crew striker and the league’s current leading scorer Kei Kamara – who had much less success in the English game than Jones – is tearing up opponents with 12 goals through 19 games. Jones ability to win the ball in the air or make the difficult hold-up play with a defender draped over a shoulder, like he did on this Trinidad goal last night, would immediately make him one of the better forwards in MLS.
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Kenwyne Jones sparks spirit of 2006
FIFA.com
“I don’t have to hold their hands,” Trinidad and Tobago skipper Kenwyne Jones told FIFA.com. “I say what I need to say when I need to say it, but when you’re wearing the national team shirt, you better be ready to be a man no matter what your age.”
Jones is the team’s hulking No9. He’s impossible to miss on the pitch, where he throws himself through the air, knocking down long balls from midfield. At 30, he’s the oldest player in a very young Trinidad and Tobago side at the 2015 CONCACAF Gold Cup. His voice is soft and calm. He leads by example, and his experience speaks in thick volumes to his eager team-mates.
The year 2006 holds a special place in the hearts of Trinidad and Tobago football fans. It was the year that their beloved Soca Warriors finally reached the FIFA World Cup™ finals. Jones was the youngest member of that side in Germany led by wise old Dutchman Leo Beenhakker. There, he studied at the feet of masters like Dwight Yorke and Russell Latapy, who aren’t just icons on the islands but heroes of the CONCACAF canon.
Sole survivor
Jones is the only surviving member of that 2006 team, and he recalls the famous goalless draw against Zlatan Ibrahimovic’s Sweden in Dortmund with a twinge, almost of longing, in his voice. But the lean striker is no longer the bright-eyed baby in the team, the chaser of lost causes. He’s not shining anyone’s boots. He’s the old man, cutting a path through the high grass for the faster, younger legs that surround him in red.
“There’s something special about this team,” said Jones, who now plays in England’s second tier with Cardiff City after years in the English Premier League with Stoke City and Sunderland. “It’s desire. These boys have a serious focus and they know they’re the future of the Trinidad and Tobago national team. If they do it right, they can have careers for ten years,” he added, looking back from the other end of his own decade as a Soca Warrior.
Trinidad and Tobago have been the true revelation of this CONCACAF cup of nations. They finished top of their group with a pair of wins over Cuba and Guatemala and then drew against mighty Mexico, six-time champions, in a 4-4 thriller that many pundits are calling the greatest Gold Cup game every played. “We just didn’t want to lose our momentum,” said Jones in his own understated way about the Mexico draw that clinched T&T's first-place in the section.
The dread-locked striker was at the heart of that wild and woolly game, in which his side clawed back from two goals down. He scored a pair of goals (one in each net) and set up another. His presence in attack, especially during the second-half, bent the game toward his island side. The Mexican defenders backed off the big man, unable to contain him. When Jones hit the deck hard, Mexican hands were offered to help him up off the turf. The respect there was clear.
Jones goes a little cool when talk turns to the fans back home on the two islands. It’s no wonder, really. In the decade since 2006, all national teams have been measured, often cruelly, against those immortals. The current side, led by coach Stephen Hart and with so many youngsters, departed Port of Spain with little fanfare and few expected much more than a good fight.
Damn the bandwagon
“Those who thought we were going just to make up the numbers, well they weren’t paying any attention,” Jones said, the cut of dismissal around the edges of his normally welcoming voice. “They are fickle back home and some of them are really just cynics. They wrote us off and now they all want to jump on the bandwagon. We need to ignore it, because we’re the only ones who can win or lose here.”
They haven’t lost yet, and the combination of speed, power and youthful exuberance is winning them fans all over the region. This is the first time the team has ever topped their group at the tournament. And captain Jones, for one, is caught up in the spirit.
“How far can we go?” he repeated the question thoughtfully, letting it hang in the air ahead of the quarter-final date on Sunday with 2013 runners-up Panama. “We wanted to go one better than last time, when we reached the quarters. So, if we can get to the semi-finals, anything can happen. We know we can upset teams here,” he concluded, his voice rising, the old campaigner sounding like a young man all over again.
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nice read flex
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Jones: A lot of love in this squad.
By Shaun Fuentes (Guardian).
T&T captain Kenwyne Jones wants the public to know that the driving force behind the current national senior team is the love and belief among players and members of staff.
He believes that it is the only way to bring about any kind of positive change whether it be with matters on or off the football field.
The Cardiff City player said the country at large could take a page out of his team’s approach.
“This team went from being one that nobody gave a chance of doing anything worthwhile to one that not only surprised many and surpassed expectations but also put us back on the map and can now have people feeling a positive vibe and seeing the country in a positive light,” Jones said a day after his team exited the Concacaf Gold Cup with a defeat to Panama in penalty kicks in New Jersey.
“And I have been around a lot of national teams, the biggest achievers being the 2006 squad where there was a strong bond and I can say now that this bunch of players has a tight bond. There is love and the feeling that if we do things together and continue to do things the right way, then we can go on to reach places.
“We are not perfect and like everything else, we have mishaps, we make errors but what brings us through it is that togetherness and willingness to work hard to achieve. I think the country could use this as well. Right now there are a lot of things happening in our country that may not be always pleasing but coming together and putting things into perspective and working on things the way it should be, could do a lot of for us,” the T&T captain said.
Jones also addressed his teammates after the loss, saying: “Nobody except all of us in this unit would know what you had to go through and what you have to do to get to where we got to. And we need to keep pushing on. People will have things to say but once we stick together and keep doing things the right way, then we reach where we want to be.”
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Kenwyne Jones a 'big part' of Cardiff's plans, says Russell Slade
BBC Sports
Kenwyne Jones remains a "big part" of Cardiff City's plans, according to manager Russell Slade.
Jones is expected to return to training on Wednesday for the first time this summer after being on international duty with Trinidad and Tobago.
The 30-year-old striker was loaned to Bournemouth at the end of last season and said he did not know if he was wanted by Cardiff.
But Slade said: "He's our player and a big part of what we are trying to do."
Jones played every minute of every match for his country at the Gold Cup, held in America and Canada in July, as the Soca Warriors reached the quarter-finals.
Ten days after losing to Panama on penalties in the last eight, his fitness will now be assessed by Cardiff before Slade decides whether to involve him in Friday's final pre-season friendly at Premier League newcomers Bournemouth.
Jones ended last season on loan with the Cherries, a move he found "surprising" and prompted him to question if he had a future with Cardiff.
He has a year left on his contract after joining from Stoke in January 2014 and Slade says the striker has plenty to offer.
"Obviously we need to give him a little bit of time, we'll see how he is from his excursions," said Slade after Tuesday's 2-1 friendly win over Watford.
"But of course, he's our player. Hopefully he's fit, we'll do all the screening and testing we need to do with him and see where he's at."
Cardiff's lack of transfer activity so far this summer and the imminent departure of forwards Javi Guerra and Adam Le Fondre suggests Jones will be needed to bolster striking options.
Slade admitted he had expected to sign more senior players having so far only recruited Sammy Ameobi on a season-long loan from Newcastle, but said there was a "possibility" of signing others before the first game of the Championship season against Fulham on 8 August.
"It's all a question of spinning plates. We haven't done as much business as others - that doesn't necessarily mean we're not going to challenge for anything because I think we've got a good group [of players]."
"Derby and Middlesbrough have shed out a lot of money early on, but apart from those two I don't think there's been an awful lot of activity."
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Yeah right! One minutes they want to ship him out, the next he is our man.
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Sheffield Wednesday want Cardiff City striker Kenwyne Jones on season-long loan
By Simon Gaskell (Wales Online)
Sheffield Wednesday are willing to push the boat out to sign Cardiff City striker Kenwyne Jones, according to reports.
The Sun says the ambitious Owls are in talks with the Bluebirds over a deal to take Jones to South Yorkshire on a season-long loan.
Jones has spent time on loan at Wednesday before in 2004/5 when he was at Southampton. He made a big impact at Hillsborough during that spell, scoring seven goals in as many games.
Wednesday were taken over by Thai owners at the beginning of the year.
Dejphon Chansiri, whose family control the Thai Union Frozen Group - the world’s largest producer of tuna as well as one of the biggest worldwide general seafood producers - acquired 100% of the shareholding in the club.
Chansiri installed Portuguese Carlos Carvalhal as head coach at the start of the month and has set his eyes on Premier League football.
Jones was also linked with a move to the MLS this month, with Columbus Crew said to be leading the chase for his signature.
He rejoined the Bluebirds today after leading Trinidad and Tobago to the quarter-finals of their Concacaf Gold Cup campaign in America this summer before eventual defeat to Panama on penalties.
The 30-year-old was due to be in the squad to face Bournemouth at the Vitality Stadium in Dorset tomorrow evening, where Russell Slade leads his side in their latest pre-season friendly.
Powerful centre-forward Jones could make a return having finished last season on loan with the Cherries, helping manager Eddie Howe’s team clinch the Championship title and promotion.
Speaking this week, Bluebirds boss Slade had said: “Kenwyne will be assessed by our fitness and conditioning staff, but he played four full matches for Trinidad and Tobago in the Gold Cup and we expect Kenwyne to be ready.
“He will train with the main group on Thursday and be involved at Bournemouth.”
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Cardiff City striker Kenwyne Jones in contention for season opener as Russell Slade rubbishes Sheffield Wednesday rumours
By Terry Phillips (Wales Online)
Striker Kenwyne Jones worked one-to-one with a fitness coach during an open training session at Cardiff City Stadium.
Manager Russell Slade, though, confirmed that Jones is in contention for a place in the Bluebirds’ matchday squad against Fulham at home this Saturday.
Jones arrived back from international duty last Wednesday, having played four full Gold Cup matches for Trinidad and Tobago in America.
Slade had hoped to include Jones against Bournemouth in City’s final pre-season match, but decided not to risk him.
“Kenwyne has played a lot of football and we are easing him back in,” said Slade. “He is fit, but we didn’t want to rush him back too quickly after all the playing and travelling he has done.”
Slade is keen to have Jones in his squad this season and says rumours of interest in the powerful forward from Sheffield Wednesday are off target.
“I don’t know anything about that, nothing at all,” says Slade.
“Kenwyne is a Cardiff player and part of our plans.”
Club officials have also confirmed they did not receive a bid from Major League Soccer club Columbus Crew for Jones, who finished last season on loan with Bournemouth and helped them clinch the Championship title and promotion.
He played every minute of his country’s four matches against Guatemala, Cuba, Mexico and Panama, scoring two goals in a campaign that saw them lose on penalties to Panama in the quarter-finals.
The former Stoke, Sunderland and Southampton forward has a year left on his Cardiff contract and Slade insists he will be staying with the club despite rumours of interest from Columbus Crew.
Italian striker Federico Macheda is back in training with Cardiff, but is still on his way back from a back injury.
Aron Gunnarsson trained with the main group after recovering from a hip problem, while central defenders Bruno Manga and Ben Turner were both at Cardiff City Stadium for treatment during the open training session.
They chatted to fans after being in the team photograph.
Manga was walking freely, although he is still on the mend from a knee injury, while Turner was wearing a protective plastic boot on an ankle.
Macheda, Manga and Turner will all miss this Saturday’s Championship opener against Fulham.
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Greetings to all. I am not a huge KJ fan, but I always respect and admire him as a T&T football player. On his day, he could be one of the most dangerous players in the world inside that box and on other occasions, forget about it. Ah do not have time tuh posts, but me or sometimes meh bois, we does log in now and then tuh read all yuh posts. Ah noticed there is a lot of new members, some of them cool and then there is a few go on like dey run things round here. Ah just saying be cool and doh violate. Yuh know wah ah mean? Who the hell is this Supa? Well this is Supa & De Enterprise, call ah friend, ask ah friend. Leh meh go and get ready tuh go tuh de people wuk in the airport.Give thanks to Allah all the time. HIGHLY BLESSED.
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Look supa yes. Good to see old posters coming back.
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Look supa yes. Good to see old posters coming back.
an the whole Enterprise too ;D
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Kenwyne Jones to miss Championship opener with either Sammy Ameobi or Alex Revell starting against Fulham
By Terry Phillips (Wales Online)
Sammy Ameobi or Alex Revell will lead Cardiff City’s attack against Fulham on Saturday as Kenwyne Jones misses out on the Championship opener.
Centre-forward Jones has been ruled out of the first league game at Cardiff City Stadium after suffering a minor muscle injury in training.
“Kenwyne is a little sore and won’t be risked,” said Bluebirds manager Russell Slade.
“We are hopeful he won’t be out for long.”
The loss of Jones is a blow for Cardiff, although Revell looked sharp when he scored twice in a 3-2 pre-season win at Bournemouth and 6ft 4ins Ameobi can play through the middle.
Joe Mason, who is in excellent form and has already scored four goals, is a certainty to play in attack and Slade must decide between Revell and Ameobi as his strike partner.
Aron Gunnarsson has been back in training this week, but is likely to be among the substitutes after missing some sessions with a minor hip problem.
Bruno Manga (knee), Ben Turner (ankle) and Federico Macheda (back) are all ruled out by injuries.
The Bluebirds have dismissed rumours West Brom are planning a second transfer swoop on the club.
Albion manager Tony Pulis has offered £4.5m for Scottish international goalkeeper David Marshall, although Cardiff want £5m-plus and talks continue.
But Slade says Albion have not made any sort of offer for winger Craig Noone.
Reports on the Football League World website said Albion are eyeing a move for Noone, but that appears to be off-target.
Noone, 27, shone in the Premier League for Cardiff two seasons ago, but is unlikely to be in the starting line-up against Fulham.
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Stoke Sunderland Southhampton Bournemouth - what do all these teams have in common?
At one point or another
KJ had some parts in these teams promotion to the EPL yet at this juncture he has not been able to stick on the big stage with either? Why?
If Cardiff City eh make this year, I sayKJget out join up in MLSwith Orlando and help getMolino on track for next season.
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At this stage of his career KJ could well go wherever he can maximize his earning potential
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Stoke Sunderland Southhampton Bournemouth - what do all these teams have in common?
At one point or another
KJ had some parts in these teams promotion to the EPL yet at this juncture he has not been able to stick on the big stage with either? Why?
Kenwyne had no part in any of these teams promotions. Unless you count his one goal for Bournemouth while they were firmly on top the table.
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Cardiff City striker Kenwyne Jones linked with Israeli club Maccabi Tel Aviv
By Jon Doel (Wales Online)
Cardiff City striker Kenwyne Jones is being linked with a possible move to Israel as his Bluebirds future remains in doubt.
Jones is yet to start a match for Cardiff this season after also being linked with the likes of Sheffield Wednesday and MLS side Columbus Crew throughout the summer.
The Trinidad captain was loaned to Bournemouth at the end of last season and could be a big name player to leave Cardiff City Stadium before the transfer window closes on September 1.
Israeli journalist Raphael Gellar, who is a correspondent for BBC World Service, reports Jones is looking at options in Israel, with Maccabi Tel Aviv and Haifa the only two clubs thought to be able to pay him.
Jones is believed to be the highest paid player at the Bluebirds, and it is known Russell Slade is keen to add another striker to his squad in the next fortnight.
Slade already has the likes of Joe Mason, Eoin Doyle, Alex Revell, Federico Macheda and Sammy Ameobi to choose from and it would not be a huge surprise to see Jones leave the club.
The Cardiff manager has also admitted he will be unable to sign a big name player unless he sells one of his top stars.
Former Cardiff striker Robert Earnshaw spent a period on loan at Maccabi Tel Aviv in 2012/13.
Jones made his first Championship appearance of the season against QPR on Saturday, coming on as a substitute for Alex Revell in the 59th minute.
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If dahis de case, he could geh a whiff of Champions League ball.
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Greetings to all. Much respect to Peong and Maxg. HIGHLY BLESSED.
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Greetings to all. Much respect to Peong and Maxg. HIGHLY BLESSED.
blessings...
the brother from enterprise is back.. ;D
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Sheffield Wednesday warned Kenwyne Jones won't be cheap as Bluebirds bosses await bid
By Terry Phillips (Wales Online)
Sheffield Wednesday want Cardiff City star Kenwyne Jones - but the Bluebirds insist he would be allowed to leave cheaply.
Jones spent time on loan at Wednesday more than a decade ago, scoring seven goals in seven matches, and now the Yorkshire club are keen to take him back to Hillsborough.
Portuguese coach Carlos Carvalhal is in charge at Wednesday but WalesOnline understands club advisor Glenn Roeder is heading up the interest in the giant striker.
The Owls initially asked about taking Jones on loan for the season, in a deal which might have involved the Bluebirds paying part of his wages, but they have not made a firm offer to sign him.
A Cardiff City source said: “We have not had an offer letter or a verbal letter. Nothing.
“If another club wants to sign one of our players they should make their offer and we would consider that on merit.
"We won’t let players go for less than we feel they are worth.”
Cardiff stayed firm on their £5m-plus valuation when Premier League West Brom wanted to sign goalkeeper David Marshall and the Midlands club have not returned with more than the initial £4m they offered.
Jones only has one year left on his contract but the Bluebirds insist that won't drive down his price and are prepared to gamble on him leaving for free next summer.
He was Cardiff’s top scorer on 14 goals last season and has a key role in the plans of manager Russell Slade, who is also keen to bring in another centre-forward to add more competition in attack.
Jones has yet to start a match for Cardiff this season, having suffered a minor calf strain after reporting back late because he was playing for Trinidad and Tobago during the Concacaf Gold Cup in America.
Alex Revell has started all four fixtures for the Bluebirds so far this season, with Jones left out, but indications are that Russell Slade is looking to pep up the potency of his strike force with 12 days of business remaining in the current transfer window.
Jones, 30, is in contention to start alongside Joe Mason in Saturday’s home Championship clash against Wolves.
While Jones' exit is far from certain, fellow strikers Javi Guerra and Etien Velikonja look sure to leave this month, as does goalkeeper Joe Lewis.
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If Kenwyne moves he will need a new work permit (or at least thats how I understand it), under the new FA rules this year he won't get one, T & T have to be ranked in Top 50 by FIFA not Top 75 as it used to be.
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KJ has been in the UK since 2004 I would be shocked if he needs a work permit still and does not instead have at least a permanent residency permit.
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Started today, scored with a header and subbed because of injury...
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Started today, scored with a header and subbed because of injury...
he didn't look to good when he went down, hope he ok
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how serious is the injury? from the clip it looked like an ankle injury. sure hope it's nothing too serious.
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regarding kenwin's injury i guess no new is good new after all.
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Kenwyne Jones: Cardiff City must keep 'quality' striker, says Fabio
BBC Sport
Cardiff City striker Kenwyne Jones must not be sold during the transfer window, says Bluebirds defender Fabio da Silva.
Jones, out of contract at the end of the season, has been linked with Championship rivals Sheffield Wednesday and two of Israel's top clubs.
The 30-year-old made his first start of the season on Saturday, scoring the opener in Cardiff's win over Wolves.
"We have to keep our good players and he is one of them. We have to keep them to fight for promotion," said Fabio.
"He's good in the air, he's good on the ball and he can finish. So he's a quality striker."
Jones was loaned to Bournemouth at the end of last season and said the move prompted him to question whether he had a future at Cardiff.
His involvement for Trinidad and Tobago at the Gold Cup, held in America and Canada in July, disrupted his pre-season preparation and meant he was deemed unfit by manager Russell Slade for the start of the Championship season.
Slade has consistently stressed the striker remains a "big part" of his plans, and said there was "nothing to report" on Jones's future following the win over Wolves.
That was also the message over goalkeeper David Marshall, who remains a target for West Brom.
An ankle injury forced Jones to leave early in the second half against Wolves, having put the home side ahead just before the break when he met Fabio's lofted ball into the penalty area to score his first goal for Cardiff since February.
And former Manchester United defender Fabio, who gave a man-of-the-match performance on his first league start this season, said Jones's imposing 6ft 2in frame makes him such a difficult proposition for any defender.
"It's very tough," said the 25-year-old Brazilian. "He's massive, he's huge. I'm not that big so it's very hard to defend against him [in training]."
Cardiff's victory was their first in the Championship this season, and Fabio said there is a obvious mood change in the squad compared to a year ago when they struggled under the hangover of Premier League relegation.
"The confidence was low after relegation and everyone was sad. That's not good," he said.
"So we have to keep going now. The confidence is making the team play well. When you win everyone is smiling and that's important."
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Nathan Blake: I'm amazed at the way Cardiff City have treated Kenwyne Jones, it's shown a complete lack of respect to our best striker!
By Nathan Blake (Wales Online)
I’m amazed by the lack of respect Cardiff City have shown striker Kenwyne Jones.
The guy is head and shoulders above any other frontman currently at the club and, as a former striker myself, I know you should treat your No.1 just like that, as your No.1 player.
The way Jones has been treated by the Bluebirds, I believe, has been in danger of affecting him psychologically.
Strikers thrive off confidence and it seems a lot has been done at Cardiff to dent that belief. That is the worst thing you can do.
It was to his credit then that Jones got his first start of the season against Wolves and responded with the opening goal and an all-round performance that gave the Bluebirds a threat up front they simply lack when he is not on the pitch.
Keeping the guy happy is, for me, the most important thing right now. Make sure he is aware of his importance at the club and everything else will fall into place. He will get the club goals.
How the club can drop him to the bench is ridiculous as far as I am concerned. You start him. Jones has been treated poorly, never knowing if he will be picked or shunted out on loan.
I can’t think of a club where a star striker has been treated in such a manner.
Your main striker is the most important player at the club and must be treated accordingly.
Short of what seem to be financial considerations, I don’t think anyone who watches the Bluebirds regularly can even understand why Jones is not the club’s No.9.
Given that kind of support, Jones could get close to 30 goals for the Bluebirds this season.
I’m not sure the rest of the forwards all added together could even get to that number between them.
Joe Mason, for me, could get you 20 if he has a very good season, but Jones is another level.
The guy is an international striker, a Premier League striker, respect where it is due please Cardiff!
He brought a new dimension to the Bluebirds’ play against Wolves in a match where I thought things were much better all-round for Russell Slade’s side.
Jones did what he does best, keeping the ball nicely, little lay-offs to Kagisho Dikgacoi, who seems to be improving every game, little balls swept out-wide to Anthony Pilkington or little passes round the back where Mason was willing to do the running.
There was that typical goal from Jones to enjoy too.
It was unfortunate he went off injured, but when Sammy Ameobi came on he kind of continued where Jones had left off, albeit asking different questions of the Wolves’ defence.
He used his pace to run in behind and scored a cracking goal too.
Now, for me, what is the point of having all these wonderful weapons at your disposal if you are not going to use them?
Why use your most dangerous weapons for 10 minutes at the end?
Utilise your best players for 60, 70, 80 minutes. It is simple enough, but does not seem to have been happening at Cardiff City.
Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face, there’s no point in trying to prove a point.
Simply play your best players and you will be rewarded as Slade was against Wolves.
With that in mind, Ameobi should be starting. As for where he fits into things, well, that is what Slade is getting paid to decide.
There’s the making of a very good side at Cardiff now, as long as no one is let go.
I believe there is a very good spine to the side. David Marshall in goal, Bruno Manga, who is nearing fitness, at the back and Jones up-front.
Things are starting to look a bit more promising which is nice to say and something we have not really been able to say in quite a while about the Bluebirds.
The first-half never really got going against Wolves. In truth, not a lot happened at all until Jones got the goal.
The game was played between the two 18-yard boxes and when the action got into the danger areas, I thought both sides lacked composure and quality, but the second-half very much belonged to the Bluebirds.
The good thing now is that there’s real competition for places too.
I thought Fabio was fantastic against Wolves. He is a player who always gives 100% and refuses to accept defeat.
He has a winning attitude and I think that mindset can permeate throughout the whole squad.
On the other hand, Scott Malone, who was absent with illness, has had a good start to the season too so there is a potential headache for Slade right there and that is exactly what you want.
OK, so it was just one match, just three points, but it was as good a performance as Cardiff have put in for a while.
The signs are positive and, with the right team selection, things could get even better for the Bluebirds now moving forward.
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Cardiff City manager Russell Slade hits back at critics over treatment of Kenwyne Jones
By Terry Phillips (Wales Online)
Russell Slade has hit back at critics who say he must show Cardiff City striker Kenwyne Jones more respect.
Slade has been accused of showing a ‘complete lack of respect’ to Jones by failing to play him enough and sending him out on loan last season, with WalesOnline columnist and former Bluebirds player Nathan Blake saying: “You should not treat your number one player like that.”
But a furious Slade says he has treated Jones with great respect – and revealed he has a ‘fighting man’s chance’ of starting at Nottingham Forest on Saturday.
“Kenwyne and I sat down and set out what was best for him,” said Slade.
“He suggested it would be best to be among the substitutes and maybe play 30 minutes at Queens Park Rangers."
Slade continued: “The plan we agreed was half an hour, then 60 or 70 minutes.
“People have got it wrong. Kenwyne wasn’t fit enough to start and it was important we agreed, together, the best way to ensure he regained 100 per cent fitness as quickly as possible.
“Kenwyne was involved in every decision.”
Blake had said in his column this week: “The guy is head and shoulders above any other frontman currently at the club and, as a former striker myself, I know you should treat your No.1 just like that, as your No.1 player.
“The way Jones has been treated by the Bluebirds, I believe, has been in danger of affecting him psychologically.”
The 6ft 4in Jones, who spent the end of last season on loan at Bournemouth, returned from summer international duty with Trinidad and Tobago carrying a calf strain and he has now made three Championship appearances in the 2015/16 campaign.
The big centre-forward scored and then went off with an ankle injury during City’s 2-0 win against Wolves.
He was not involved in the 2-1 defeat at MK Dons, and Slade says: “He has a fighting man’s chance of playing at Forest. He is having treatment and we are hopeful.”
Jones has been linked with a move to Sheffield Wednesday, but sources at Cardiff City have said there has not been any official contact or any offer from the Yorkshire club.
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Cardiff City's Kenwyne Jones DOES deserve more respect... Why Nathan Blake is right and Russell Slade is wrong
By Nathan Tucker (Wales Online)
For Russell Slade to step in and defend his treatment of Kenwyne Jones is his prerogative of course, but his recent comments are as ill-informed and wide of the mark as he claims those of his critics are.
Slade’s ire was roused by a piece penned by WalesOnline columnist and Bluebirds’ legend Nathan Blake over the weekend.
The former Cardiff City, Bolton, Blackburn and Wolves striker questioned the way the club had treated Jones since his arrival, arguing the 30-year-old should have been afforded the respect his status as Cardiff’s No.1 striker deserved.
Because that’s what Jones is, isn’t he? Nobody could argue with that.
Since his arrival from Stoke in January 2014, Jones has in many ways been a big fish in a small pond, especially after Fraizer Campbell left for Crystal Palace after Premier League relegation.
It is no coincidence last season that in the second-flight Jones was the Bluebirds’ top-scorer and easily their biggest threat in a largely forgettable campaign.
That is despite him being in and out of the side and then shunted off to Bournemouth for the final month on loan.
THAT is what Blake was referring to in his column, a fact that seems to have gone completely over Slade’s head.
Focus
The Bluebirds boss, who has questioned the impartiality of a Media Wales journalist previously and who, somewhat presumptuously, rounded on his doubters after the first Championship win against Wolves last weekend chose to focus on the suggestions he’d under-utilised Jones at the start of this season in the wake of the win.
Slade fumed that the Trinidad & Tobago international had rejoined the squad late this summer and was struggling with a calf strain and had been consulted about his pitch-time.
Fine, we all knew that and so did Blake. He said as much in Monday's Blakey's Bootroom show when he was asked to explain his comments.
Ameobi
Although, while we are at it, Slade’s insistence on starting the opening games this term with the largely ineffectual Alex Revell partnering Joe Mason up-front while on-loan Sammy Ameobi sat on the bench is arguably a strange decision anyway.
Surely Ameobi, brought in from Newcastle for the season, should have been schooled for that role in the summer? Put it this way, he played like a house on fire when he came on and against Wolves in that position when, ironically enough, Jones had limped off.
But what nobody is disagreeing with Slade about is that Jones was not ready at the beginning of this campaign to start matches. But, as we say, what Blake, and other people too by the way, find a problem with is the way Jones has been treated during his entire time at the club.
Blake merely pointed out strikers are confidence players, they often need an arm around them, need to be made to feel special, as they focus on what is basically the most important job in the team, scoring goals.
This has not happened with Jones. Indeed you only need to look at his time at Cardiff to see a history of almost enforced insecurity and alienation.
Kenwyne's time at Cardiff
Since joining Cardiff, Jones has started 33 times for the Bluebirds, but more than half that number, 18 games, he has started on the bench and come on.
Even if you take into account injury or fitness issues, that is hardly a ringing endorsement of the player, hardly making him your No.1 and giving him the respect that comes with that. A fact Blake simply and quite correctly pointed out.
Anyway Slade’s reappraisal of Jones’ charms looks even more shaky when you observe that when he took over at Cardiff last October, inheriting a squad with Jones in it, the new boss at first went with a strike-force of Federico Macheda and Adam Le Fondre, a decision, albeit with the benefit of hindsight, which looks so wide of the mark, it's almost laughable.
Jones, of course, was on the bench. He had actually started the previous game before Slade took over against Blackpool and then found himself immediately dropped by his new manager who opted for Macheda instead. Indeed, Slade did not start Jones until the end of November at Watford where the Bluebirds notched up their first away win in an age with Jones providing the assist for Le Fondre’s winner. That was Slade’s eighth game in charge at Cardiff.
OK, in the interests of accuracy it should be pointed out that during that period Jones had returned to Trinidad to deal with a family tragedy, but that does not explain away Slade’s initial reading of the strikers at his disposal and even the fact Cardiff initially got off to a good start results-wise under their new boss is not a factor here. We are talking about Slade’s treatment of Jones after all, nothing more.
Not Personal
And let’s not forget the loan of Jones to Bournemouth last season either. OK, it was for financial reasons we are told, ‘non-footballing’ reasons as Slade put it at the time, and it was not the manager’s decision apparently, but, again, Blake in his column did not actually criticise Slade personally for that either. Anyway, loaning out your best striker and top-scorer for the last month of a campaign is just plain weird, I don’t care what you say, and I don’t care how much money the club saved.
Jones has been linked with a move from Cardiff this summer with Sheffield Wednesday reportedly keen and, let’s be honest, you could hardly blame him for wanting away to move away somewhere where he might be more appreciated, to a club where his status is acknowledged and the side built around him to cater to his needs.
In the end Slade’s comments on the recent criticism end up being misleading and focused in totally the wrong area. He also does Blake a disservice by suggesting our columnist did not know the facts. He did, he was talking about a different aspect of the situation and Slade failed to understand that.
Look, maybe at the likes of Scarborough, Grimsby and Yeovil, a few of the clubs Slade previously cut his managerial teeth at, the local press and pundits are not given to a certain degree of criticism. The spotlight and interest in those clubs might not be as intense as it is in the Welsh capital and that would be no surprise given the size of those clubs and the expectations surrounding them.
But this is Cardiff City, this is the Championship, this is a big club and Slade would be better served learning to roll with the punches and keeping his focus on continuing his side’s promising start to the season before rising to every slight he imagines levelled at him.
Naturally, if he does want to respond then that is his right, but the Cardiff manager should at least get his facts right before he chips in.
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Presshah!
An insight into the apparent typical mind games and manipulative and marginalizing measures that these coaches use to control players
Almost like an abusive spouse telling the partner that the partner stupid or ugly everyday so that the said partner never achieves or believes enough to leave.
Slade and de others were VERY MUCH aware that Kenwyne & the socawarriors did well at the Gold Cup and the WHOLE of Europe saw the epic 4-4 draw and other games where KJ got big up
That silenced all the you-are-nobody-playing-for-a-nobody-shittong-3rd-world-side propaganda that they wanted to pound his ears with on his return
Things back-firing now and KJ has more leverage to tell Slade to HYMC.
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Yeah, I eh seeing how that Ameobi thing making any kinda sense ... thus far. Been wondering the same.
Very telling that Wales Online decided to take another poke at Slade.
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KJ is only 30 years old...and he has proven that he is a top class striker...I wonder why no PL teams not trying to scoop him up...is it because they feel 5 mil is too much and waiting for the summer where he'll be free...or because of his 'rep,' of being rebellious...more so at stoke...idk...but KJ seems to be running on all cylinders! And he's mum on Facebook...no hints, nothing!
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No PL teams buying 30 year old strikers from the Championship unless they desperate. And that would mean KJ struggling in yet another shit team.
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KJ is only 30 years old...and he has proven that he is a top class striker...I wonder why no PL teams not trying to scoop him up...is it because they feel 5 mil is too much and waiting for the summer where he'll be free...or because of his 'rep,' of being rebellious...more so at stoke...idk...but KJ seems to be running on all cylinders! And he's mum on Facebook...no hints, nothing!
KJ problem has been his seeming inability to remain consistent throughout the season.......start of hot hot den....slows into a tepid cruise.....if he could start hot and stay hot, clubs goh rush him, but tink of how many clubs use d word lazy in reference to kenwin throughout his career and yuh start to understand why prem teams tentative about him.......a bit instructive that Bournemouth didn't seem to consider buying him even if his contribution was small in the the grand scheme
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KJ is only 30 years old...and he has proven that he is a top class striker...I wonder why no PL teams not trying to scoop him up...is it because they feel 5 mil is too much and waiting for the summer where he'll be free...or because of his 'rep,' of being rebellious...more so at stoke...idk...but KJ seems to be running on all cylinders! And he's mum on Facebook...no hints, nothing!
KJ problem has been his seeming inability to remain consistent throughout the season.......start of hot hot den....slows into a tepid cruise.....if he could start hot and stay hot, clubs goh rush him, but tink of how many clubs use d word lazy in reference to kenwin throughout his career and yuh start to understand why prem teams tentative about him.......a bit instructive that Bournemouth didn't seem to consider buying him even if his contribution was small in the the grand scheme
Premiership clubs not looking at him because he not exactly lighting up the Championship. If he starts to score goals in bunches somebody will take a look.
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Guy y'all heard it from me first...our skipper is going to Bournemouth! Negotiations being finalized...hence being left out the squad!
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Guy y'all heard it from me first...our skipper is going to Bournemouth! Negotiations being finalized...hence being left out the squad!
dais news or u predicting cyah quite pick up which
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Guy y'all heard it from me first...our skipper is going to Bournemouth! Negotiations being finalized...hence being left out the squad!
dais news or u predicting cyah quite pick up which
Look like horse shit to me :rotfl:
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Jones should stay where he is. He's scoring regularly and playing regularly. Of course we would like all of our players playing at the highest level but if Jones isn't going to play much on an EPL team that maybe regulated at the end of the season maybe it's best he stay there
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Guy y'all heard it from me first...our skipper is going to Bournemouth! Negotiations being finalized...hence being left out the squad!
dais news or u predicting cyah quite pick up which
Look like horse shit to me :rotfl:
Less than 25 hours left for "redemption".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11600297/When-does-the-transfer-window-2015-open-and-close.html
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Jones should stay where he is. He's scoring regularly and playing regularly. Of course we would like all of our players playing at the highest level but if Jones isn't going to play much on an EPL team that maybe regulated at the end of the season maybe it's best he stay there
It would be a difficult decision. How many more chances will he get to play in the PL? He's not a youngster any more.
And Premier League pay is much more than Championship pay.
If he can get a multi-year contract, even on the bench while in the PL, I wouldn't begrudge him.
And if they do get relegated, he back where he is now, plus he just added another PL season notch to his belt.
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Kenwyne still getting Premiership money. That's why they want him off the books.
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Guy y'all heard it from me first...our skipper is going to Bournemouth! Negotiations being finalized...hence being left out the squad!
dais news or u predicting cyah quite pick up which
Look like horse shit to me :rotfl:
Less than 25 hours left for "redemption".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11600297/When-does-the-transfer-window-2015-open-and-close.html
De man put up a pic of him in a Bournemouth shirt yesterday....yesterday....while he playing at Cardiff. I hope I eh ha to eat crow!
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Guy y'all heard it from me first...our skipper is going to Bournemouth! Negotiations being finalized...hence being left out the squad!
dais news or u predicting cyah quite pick up which
Look like horse shit to me :rotfl:
Less than 25 hours left for "redemption".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/11600297/When-does-the-transfer-window-2015-open-and-close.html
De man put up a pic of him in a Bournemouth shirt yesterday....yesterday....while he playing at Cardiff. I hope I eh ha to eat crow!
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-striker-kenwyne-jones-9964273
He not moving...
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:-\ Disappointed...I feel he has a lot to offer in the PL still
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As recently as 50 minutes ago, BBC Sport posted "talks are in progress".
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Even Charlie Austin cyah find a PL team yet. Keep your hopes for KJ realistic.
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Bournemouth has signed Glen Murray. So.......
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KJ's fate could be seen as a win win however you look at it:
1. Had he gone to Bournemouth, would be a win for promotion and the usual spin off benefits of that
2. Staying at Cardiff, all the manipulating hype just served to establish KJ as a player in demand and priced too high for others because of his true worth, hence destroying the abusive narrative that he deserves less than decent respectful treatment.
So if yuh doh like him and doh want him, then sell him, dammit. If you value him, shut the &$%# up and let him play.
Mr Cardiff manager take note.
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Why Cardiff City fans have a right to expect more from Kenwyne Jones - he's capable of terrorising defences
By Scott Johnson (Wales Online)
Cardiff City columnist Scott Johnson shares his frustration at star striker Kenwyne Jones, claiming he's capable of dominating at Championship level.
Plenty have felt the need to jump to the defence of Kenwyne Jones in recent weeks, but my thoughts on him can be neatly summarised by an extract from Harry Redknapp’s autobiography: ‘Always Managing.’
Reflecting on his time in charge of Southampton, Redknapp states: “In pre-season training, we did a bleep test and Kenwyne was beaten by my assistant Kevin Bond. Kevin would have turned 50 that year. He outran Kenwyne.
Relating another anecdote to emphasise his point, Redknapp claimed that Jones asked to come off in a pre-season friendly at Bournemouth, claiming it was too hot.
By way of a summary, Redknapp added: “He had all the tools — a great spring, good pace and power in the air.”
Frustration
His frustration, which I share, was that with a little bit more application, he could be so much more.
I recall Dave Jones bemoaning his budget at one stage during his time in charge at Cardiff City, stating that he wished he could sign a striker of the calibre of Jones, but didn’t have £5m to spend.
Kenwyne went on to be a prolific Premier League striker, albeit for a brief period, but it’s a long time since he was getting linked with the likes of Liverpool, moving to Sunderland for £6m and Stoke for £8m.
When Ole Gunnar Solskjaer took charge, he seemed to immediately target Jones. Maybe he was picturing the player that was still in his prime when Solskjaer left Manchester to take charge at Molde. The player he signed was a very different proposition.
Jones was not exactly the most popular member of the Stoke squad and few were sorry to see him go.
Since joining Cardiff, Jones has been on his best behaviour, but his performances have not always been much to write home about.
Despite this, he has always been a popular member of the squad amongst fans and is a potent threat on his day.
But should Cardiff supporters be expecting more from Jones?
After underwhelming during the second half of Cardiff’s disappointing season in the top flight, expectations for Jones were lower than a snakes belly ahead of last season.
But he scored on the opening day and went on to become a fixture in the side. He was mystifyingly loaned out towards the end of the season, but many were happy to see him return in the summer.
If I’m honest, I’ve never really warmed to him and there are a number of reasons for this.
Firstly, I still remember how formidable he was at Sunderland and when he first joined Stoke.
I know age catches up with you, but Jones is only 30, not 35. He is about the same age as Peter Whittingham who is often considered past it by some supporters, but remains a hard-working, model professional.
These days I think he is probably better suited as an impact sub.
Eddie Howe is considered one of the brightest minds in English football and he never started Jones when on loan at Bournemouth last season.
Jones has become something of a deluxe Adebayo Akinfenwa, the man mountain striker at AFC Wimbledon, which makes me a bit sad because Jones should be far more than that.
Dominating and terrorising
Rather than earning unintentionally patronising praise for executing basic tasks, he should be dominating games and terrorising opposition centre backs.
Redknapp’s comments were from a decade ago, when Jones was barely out of his teens, so clearly a lack of work ethic is nothing new and he is not going to turn into Alex Revell any time soon.
But it is impossible not to relate his performances back to his undoubtedly hefty salary.
Some will argue that as long as he’s scoring, he is justifying his selection and that is a perfectly valid point. But to get the best out of Jones, you have to play a certain way.
He’s not going to work the channels, so you have to hit it long and directly at him. He’s certainly a handful at this level and a lethal weapon when scoring, but when he’s not scoring, he’s an expensive luxury.
His current contract expires in the summer and Cardiff appear keen to agree a new deal on reduced wages but with greater incentives. That sounds like a very good idea to me, but they may find it difficult to get his salary down to an affordable level.
The signing of Idriss Saadi should keep Jones and Joe Mason on their toes, which can only be a good thing. Saadi will certainly get the opportunity to impress in the coming weeks.
If he thrives and proves to be as good as Russell Slade will hope he is, Jones may find his place under serious threat.
Maybe these factors were the inspiration behind arguably his best game for Cardiff in the 2-0 loss against Hull on Tuesday. Jones looked up for it and it was great to see, but he now has to maintain those high standards.
The ball is his court. Jones will certainly have a big role to play in the narrative of Cardiff’s season. Just how big is up to him.
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I got this...he might be 30, but after October he lower body might have hit 45.. I still praying for Molino..but he not gonna come back like Robocop, but he will still probably be good enough to contribute..this is not pegs & holes... many don't come back at all..but some do and can still offer something, even if for fans and losing sides, t's never enough
http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/players/1974/kenwyne_jones_injury.html?currency_view=USD
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KJ got hit on his shin, will be out for 2 maybe 3 weeks.
Do we always have to play our best players especially in a friendly game?
If Hart going to experiment, we good give the younger ones a chance.
Come on Hart, its a big gamble to take, he already played vs Panama, without Jones we will be in trouble.
Andrews look very good.
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KJ got hit on his shin, will be out for 2 maybe 3 weeks.
Do we always have to play our best players especially in a friendly game?
If Hart going to experiment, we good give the younger ones a chance.
Come on Hart, its a big gamble to take, he already played vs Panama, without Jones we will be in trouble.
Andrews look very good.
Qualifiers right 'rong de corner, so the team has to gel in as many friendly games as possible. We had issues in the past with not playing any friendlies during the FIFA window. Now we getting some valuable warm ups against some 'decent' competition, resting yuh best players just for sake of it should not be an option.
Granted KJ picked up a knock, but our forwards have not been scoring consistently in past games. If we playing with 2 forwards ; Glenn and KJ have to play as many warms up games together so that when qualifiers start; we eh go have no cohesion issues.
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Damn if he do, damn if he don't. It is unfortunate that this happened. But is this not our last warm up before Guatemala. We don't have the luxury as US, Mex, and even JA who get into big tournaments. These two guys have to gel when they go to Guat. No excuses that did not play much together. That first game is crucial. It could determine wether or not we move on to the Hex. I myself has questioned some of the coaches move. Like not starting Glenn in the GC vs Mex. And that turned out to be a game for all ages. The coach going on his intuition. He is the coach.
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Gel !!!
He is already gel.
I hope he get well soon.
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FROM SHAUN
We are pleased to advise that X-rays have indicated that T&T Senior Men's team captain Kenwyne Jones suffered no broken bones or damaged ligaments. He sustained a blow to the shin in the second half of play and was taken for observation at the St Clair Medical on Tuesday night following the 0-0 draw with Nicaragua. He is expected to be back on the pitch within a week's time.
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Good to hear no serious injury setback.... Speedy recovery skipper Kj... godbless
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Somebody buy the man bigger shin pads. And pants.
Good to hear he ok.
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Great news. Dah was close.
From now on KJ doh even bonx yuh toe. We dependin' on you.
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Thank God de man go be alright.
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Jones out for two weeks.
By Nigel Simon (Guardian).
Soca Warriors captain is expected to be available for this country’s opening match of the Concacaf Semi-final Round Group C World Cup qualifier away to Guatemala on November 13.
This after the 31-year-old Jones of Cardiff City avoided serious injury in a collision with Nicaraguan goalkeeper Justo Collado during their international friendly encounter at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo, on Tuesday night, which ended 0-0.
The injury occurred in the 61st minute when Jones, who was on target in the 2-1 win away to Panama a week ago in Panama City, tried to latch onto a through pass from Keron Cummings but collided with Collado.
Following treatment on the field by the Soca Warriors medical staff, Jones was stretchered off and taken to St Clair Medical Centre for observation and after being examined by doctors, the T&T Football Association stated that X-rays on the English-based striker indicated that he suffered no bone damage.
Team Doctor Israel Dowlat stated that Jones sustained soft tissue injury to the left lower leg and was presently non-weight bearing with crutches and is on anti inflammatory medication, and should be able to take the field again in at least two weeks.
Hart pleased with second-half display
Soca Warriors Stephen Hart said he was please with his team’s second-half display in a 0-0 draw with Nicaragua.
The drawn result extended the team’s unbeaten run in regulation-time matches to seven matches, since a 3-0 loss away to Jordan on the eve of the CONCACAF Gold Cup, where T&T’s only loss came at the quarterfinal stage, 6-5 on sudden-death penalties to Panama after a 1-1 draw.
Speaking after the match, Hart said, “I think we were a bit too lethargic in the first half, and maybe its because we went too hard in training with long sessions or maybe it was the fact that we were playing at home. But the way they played the second-half you will have to question that as well. So it could be just the nerves of playing the game at home after a long time.
“But I was really really pleased with the second-half. I thought we just took over the game and Nicaragua realised that and decided to break the whole rhythm of the game and killed the game.
“So on the second-half performance we know what is possible because in the second-half, physically, mentally and technically, I thought it was a very good second-half.”
Questioned as to how his players can deal with the rough tactics of Central Americans teams, Hart said his players could not do anything about it against Panama or Nicaragua but hoped the referee would have taken charge of the match.
He said, “Kenwyne was down on the floor for seven minutes, and they had six minutes overtime, and ok it’s just an exhibition game so I’m not really worried about that, but its just frustrating.
“The amount of time they (Nicaragua) went down, I mean every time they went down, they kept calling for the stretcher, so it just killed the whole second-half because they realised it was just a matter of time before we probably scored.”
Asked what he would like to take from the contest into the opening home match against USA in the Concacaf World Cup qualifiers Hart said, “In the second-half when we put the ball on the ground or moved it with a shorter quicker speed and got the wider players involved I thought that made all the difference and if you look at the amount of crosses we got in and our penetration we got from the right side and the shots on goal we had I was quite please with that.”
With just under a month before T&T plays away to Guatemala in its 2018 World Cup qualifying opener before meeting USA at home four days later, Hart, when asked what areas of his teams he will need to improve first, noted that he already has in his head his final squad but noted he doesn’t have the team until we get together again in November.
“But I’m very pleased with the second-half, and if we put two halves together the way we played the second-half, we will be a difficult team to play against.
“I mean Aikim Andrews came on and gave us some good penetration, Cyrus got into some good positions to deliver crosses and he did so, and Joevin came to life in this game after he was a little sluggish in the Panama game.
“Sometimes the game goes that way, but it wasn’t for the lack of us playing football, its just one of those games.
Look at the opening seven minutes of the match where we had three chances out of one chance to score, but it just did not go in.”
Commenting on his opponents, a former Canada national team coach Hart stated that Nicaragua is a nice team and moved the ball well while not too dissimilar to Guatemala.
“They are not a team that is going to physically run with you, but they try to play among you and past you and I thought we handled it well, and I am not sure how many shots they had on goal as well.”
Looking ahead to the USA match and the tough patch they have endured, four straight defeats, Hart said it’s a problem for their coach, former Germany World Cup winner, Jurgen Klinsman.
“But I think USA will always be a formidable team. They will play with power and strength, and will look to physically beat up on you with a lot of hard running , but right now my thoughts are just with Guatemala.”
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“They are not a team that is going to physically run with you, but they try to play among you and past you and I thought we handled it well, and I am not sure how many shots they had on goal as well.”
maybe as Alvin said.. SH should have taken notes with pen & paper (and maybe a calculator too) smh
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Cardiff City striker Kenwyne Jones could return to face Leeds United with shin injury not as serious as first feared
By Chris Wathan (Wales Online)
Kenwyne Jones has shaken off fears of a lengthy Cardiff City layoff – and could be fit to face Leeds United next week.
But the Bluebirds will again have to be without their star striker for Saturday’s clash with Ipswich as the powerful forward admits he is itching to return and boost their promotion bid.
Jones had prompted worries he could face considerable time on the sidelines when he returned from international duty with Trinidad and Tobago earlier this month on crutches . There were some initial concerns the 31-year-old had broken his leg after a collision with a goalkeeper in the Soca Warrior’s 0-0 draw with Nicaragua.
X-rays soon confirmed the injury wasn’t as bad as first suggested but Cardiff have had to bide their time before getting a full assessment of the former Southampton, Sunderland and Stoke frontman’s fitness.
Now, with the swelling reduced over the shin area affected by the challenge, Bluebirds boss Russell Slade has received the encouraging news Jones can return to training with a target of being involved in Tuesday’s Championship clash at Elland Road.
Yet there will be no chance of Jones making the trip to Portman Road this weekend, where Cardiff seek to put their attacking issues aside against Mick McCarthy’s side.
Cardiff have struggled for goals in Jones’ absence – only the own goal of Middlesbrough’s George Friend coming their way in the past three games – but Slade said: “Of course Kenwyne is an important member of the squad, and has shown his scoring touch for us this season. We’re keen to get him back to full fitness as soon as possible, but must be cautious not to rush things so as not to cause any additional damage.
“He picked up the injury during the last international break with Trinidad and Tobago when he collided with the opposition keeper.
“It is a soft tissue injury to his shin, but he didn’t break a bone, so it isn’t as serious as it could have been. He won’t be in contention for the trip to Ipswich on Saturday; however, we hope that he could travel with the group to face Leeds if he continues to progress.”
Head of medical Hywel Griffiths added: “Kenwyne is progressing really well already. He started to run on the grass yesterday and is progressing well with that individual training work. He should be back in full training on Sunday.”
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Can Kenwyne Jones spark a Cardiff City goal spree? Russell Slade has high hopes for star striker
By Steve Tucker (Wales Online)
Cardiff City boss Russell Slade looks set to thrust star striker Kenwyne Jones back into his starting side as he desperately seeks to end the Bluebirds’ remarkable goal drought.
Slade and his men entertain Reading in the Championship this weekend hoping to find the net for the first time after nearly a staggering nine hours of football.
Joe Mason was the last Cardiff player to score, five minutes into the draw at Brighton a month ago, although a George Friend own goal in the clash with Middlesbrough did ensure the Bluebirds have at least won one game since.
But they crashed 1-0 at Leeds midweek and despite being three points off sixth-place, Slade’s side are starting to lose touch with those above that and they need to return to winning ways against the Royals this weekend.
Slade said the return of Jones, who has been out with a shin injury, but who came off the bench at Elland Road, was a big positive moving forward.
“It is very good news that Kenwyne is back, it is a massive boost for us,” said Slade.
“It has been very frustrating to have to be without him following his injury on international duty and having him back gives us more options.
“You need to have players who offer different threats and we have not had enough of that in recent games as we have been a bit limited in terms of the forwards we have had available.
“So it is very positive for us to have him back, with Idriss (Saadi) and Kiko (Macheda) also close, and we know the threat he carries.”
Slade insisted he had been working with his men all week to try to get them to create more chances and to finally put one away starting this weekend. But he admitted the goal-shy nature of his men had cost the Bluebirds a place in the play-off places.
When games come thick and fast, we only have small windows to work on stuff,” added Slade.
“The final ball, crosses, we are working on all sorts of things. All the things we talk about and work on. We are probably missing that. We know we are probably not in the top six because decision making in the final third was not as good as others. Other teams are edging us. We need to work on creativity and composure in the final third.
“We have got quality and the desire to get a goal, but now it’s not a happening for us for lots of little reasons
“It will be the fact maybe other teams have one or two more options, it may well be that teams are clearly creating more chances than us. They’re having more shots on target than us and got that extra little bit of composure. That’s something we need to work on.”
Cardiff will be without Peter Whittingham against Reading after the midfielder picked up his fifth yellow card of the season at Leeds. He will now serve a one match suspension. Full-back Fabio is out with a foot problem and Kagisho Dikgacoi will also miss the game with a hamstring strain.
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Skipper start and buss net today!!!
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KJ starting to be the player we more than half expected him to be,he may even be the match winner against Guatemala.
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it's no longer Kenwyne but KenWIN Jones...
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http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/russell-slade-would-kenwyne-jones-10405896
Man say he rather Jones stay than to go Trinidad yes!
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http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/russell-slade-would-kenwyne-jones-10405896
Man say he rather Jones stay than to go Trinidad yes!
Club coach perspective, nothing new to KJ et al
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WATCH: Kenwyne Jones scores on his return from injury to lead Cardiff City to a 2-0 win over Reading
https://www.youtube.com/v/siaiX4bEP9c?start=43
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Cardiff City to reopen contract talks with Kenwyne Jones amid danger of losing him for nothing
By Steve Tucker (Wales Online)
Cardiff City manager Russell Slade has given a clear indication that he is determined to tie star striker Kenwyne Jones down to a new contract at the club.
The 31-year-old striker’s current contract in the welsh capital ends next summer and he is yet to put pen paper on a new one.
Since arriving from Stoke in January 2014, Jones has proved an integral part of the Bluebirds side. He was the Bluebirds’ top-scorer last season and has three this campaign despite being hit by injury.
Jones is reportedly the highest-paid player at the club but Slade is hoping a deal can be struck to keep him in January after initial talks a few months ago broke down.
“January will be crucial whatever happens and I will sit down with him,” said Slade.
“Look, Kenwyne, is in my team, he‘s a big part of my plans otherwise we would not have loaned out Alex Revell to Wigan. That shows the intent. We’ve had initial talks with him and our chairman and chief executive and they will resume in January.
“If the club can work out a deal with Kenwyne that would suit all parties I’m sure. All things will be considered. I can only talk about the football side and every time I pick my team, I am showing my hand about where I see my players. If they are not in the team every week that is an indication. Kenwyne when he is up and running and fit, he is normally starting for me.”
Jones looks likely to start as Cardiff host Burnley in the Championship tomorrow. He could see a new strike partner though with Tony watt, in on loan from Charlton, looking to make an impact.
Slade failed in his bid to bring in a Premier League striker too this week , but said he will look again in January to add some more fire power to his squad.
Slade added: “We had a couple we were looking at in the Championship and Premier League. I think there were one or two teams reluctant to loan, but we will look again in January.
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You're in the driver's seat KJ. They see how people are talking about your true recently-appreciated worth and how the MLS is dying to get their hands on your goals and market-perfect somersaults.
They know they cyah try to manipulate you by diminishing you anymore and they want to own you again so they can sell you like real estate property
Make them sweat. Tell them you"ll think about it if they release you for the Copa America Centenario qualifier in Jan.
Use your leverage!!!
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Glenn spending time looking for wok, probably losing sharpness & match fitness.
KJ, talk to de gaffer an' demand that you can get to play for the Warrior squad against Haiti in January please. Mini crisis is developing and we have to qualify as we are thin in the striker department.
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Swansea City need a player like Kenwyne on they team right now.
Gomis and Eder shitting down they self.
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Cardiff City defender Sean Morrison urges club to throw energies into keeping Kenwyne Jones
By Steve Tucker (Wales Online)
Cardiff City defender, Sean Morrison, has urged the club to do all it can to hold onto star striker Kenwyne Jones.
The Trinidad & Tobago internationals sees his contract at Cardiff expire next summer meaning in January he will be free to speak to other clubs with a view to a move.
Cardiff initially started talk about a new deal in the Welsh capital with the 31-year-old in September without a conclusion and recently manager Russell Slade said they would reopen negotiations with Jones and his representatives in the new year.
And Morrison now, who has proved a key member of the Cardiff defence this season, said it was vital Jones remained at the club, branding the striker virtually irreplaceable in the Championship.
“You can’t buy experience Kenwyne’s got. He’s played eight-and-a-half seasons in the Premiership,” said Morrison.
“A player like Kenwyne is vital to a Championship team. He’s big and strong, he’s going to score you goals and not only that he’s going to link up play with people.
“If we can hold on to Ken and get him to play as many minutes as possible and keep him fit, it’s huge for us.”
Jones was linked with a move to Cardiff’s Championship rivals, Sheffield Wednesday, recently and Slade has revealed he will be looking for a new striker in the forthcoming transfer window.
After failing to get a Premier League marksman in on loan recently it is believed the Bluebirds might return next month to try to get their target.
Last season’s top-scorer, Jones has just three goals for the Bluebirds so far this term, but his importance to the side was reiterated recently when a spell out with a shin injury coincided with Cardiff going more than nine hours of football without a Bluebirds’ player finding the net.
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Cornell Glen should be on our squad,and could be as good as KJ if he is injured.
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Cornell Glen should be on our squad,and could be as good as KJ if he is injured.
kenwyn had 2 assists today in championship ball. even though the number of goals he score this season not through the roof, the number of goals that kenwyn play a part in for that team is high. Everytime i see cornell glenn highlights is real SSFL level ball i see playing. cornell have men on they backs with the simplest of cutbacks. no disrespect, but they not playing the same level.
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Cornell Glen should be on our squad,and could be as good as KJ if he is injured.
kenwyn had 2 assists today in championship ball. even though the number of goals he score this season not through the roof, the number of goals that kenwyn play a part in for that team is high. Everytime i see cornell glenn highlights is real SSFL level ball i see playing. cornell have men on they backs with the simplest of cutbacks. no disrespect, but they not playing the same level.
https://youtu.be/1zo8IyOmBWs?t=1m
good work the assists, especially the last one.
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Wow !! Nice plays by Kenwyn.
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That first assist reminds me of the layoff Kenwyne got from Glen recently. Kenwyne's finish was much better though.
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Cardiff City WILL offer Kenwyne Jones new deal - but will insist striker takes pay cut
By Steve Tucker (Wales Online)
Cardiff City will offer Kenwyne Jones a new contract next month, but want the star striker to take a pay cut, WalesOnline has learned.
The 31-year-old frontman’s current deal runs out in the Welsh capital next summer and he will be free to talk to new clubs when the transfer window opens in January.
Manager Russell Slade wants to hold onto the player, but the club’s hierarchy have decided the new offer on the table for Jones will insist he accepts a lower salary.
The news comes as it emerged the Bluebirds are keen to to offer on loan striker Tony Watt a permanent deal and are also on the lookout for another frontman.
Jones, who joined Cardiff from Stoke in January 2014 in a swap deal that saw Peter Odemwingie move in the opposite direction, is easily the highest paid player at the club with a basic pay-packet of £35,000 a week.
As Slade’s Bluebirds look to secure a play-off spot in the Championship, the club still believes Jones’ goals could prove vital and are said to be very keen to see him sign the new contract and remain in the Welsh capital.
But, as owner Vincent Tan looks to cut finances, it is felt Jones’ salary is now out of step with the current pay structure and must drop.
Slade has already been forced to slash the wage bill since he took over and Jones’ new contract offer is seen as the next step in that process.
An insider within the club told WalesOnline that Jones was still very in the Bluebirds’ future plans, but that "the ball is now in his court" when it came to accepting the new deal. It remains unclear how long the new contract will run should Jones agree to it.
The club originally opened negotiations with Jones and his representatives back in September, but those talks stalled.
Jones was linked in the summer with a move to Cardiff’s Championship rivals Sheffield Wednesday, a club where the striker had a loan spell a decade ago.
The frontman has made 63 appearances for the Bluebirds and fired 17 goals.
He was last season’s top-scorer, but at times has found it hard to earn a place in Slade’s starting XI and has seen this campaign hit by a shin injury picked up whilst on international duty with Trinidad and Tobago. He has three goals in 15 league outings so far this season.
Jones was sent out on loan at the back end of last term as he helped Bournemouth earn promotion to the Premier League. He is set to lead the Bluebirds’ line again tonight, as Slade’s side welcome Brentford to the Welsh capital for their latest Championship encounter.
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K-9 just scored against Brentford.
Goal! Cardiff City 2, Brentford 0. Kenwyne Jones (Cardiff City) right footed shot from very close range to the centre of the goal.
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Take dat in yuh kakahole!
Value continuing to rise. Cyah afford me eh?
Beautiful answer KJ. Just beautiful. Doh let then manipulate you
Get ready to sign in MLS, or Belgium, or Mexico and as soon as you about to put pen to paper,
Cardiff will say, wait wait Mr Jones, we want to offer you the old salary plus bonus!!
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The game ended 3-2 with KJ scoring again to win in injury time.
Goal! Cardiff City 3, Brentford 2. Kenwyne Jones (Cardiff City) left footed shot from the centre of the box to the bottom left corner. Assisted by Fabio with a cross.
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Take dat in yuh kakahole!
Value continuing to rise. Cyah afford me eh?
Beautiful answer KJ. Just beautiful. Doh let then manipulate you
Get ready to sign in MLS, or Belgium, or Mexico and as soon as you about to put pen to paper,
Cardiff will say, wait wait Mr Jones, we want to offer you the old salary plus bonus!!
Oh gude, iz 2 in dey ruckertuhkungkung!!!
Go easy KJ. Easy bro.
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Nice response to de pay cut contract offer.
January window soon come
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:wavetowel:
Nice going
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Cardiff City striker Kenwyne Jones speaks out on his future with the Bluebirds
By Alex Bywater (Wales Online)
Cardiff City goal hero Kenwyne Jones has spoken out over his future with the Bluebirds.
And the former Sunderland and Southampton striker has insisted he's putting talk of a new contract to one side for now as he concentrates on pushing Russell Slade's men towards the play-offs.
WalesOnline revealed on Tuesday that Cardiff's hierarchy are keen to pen Jones to a fresh deal, albeit on a reduced wage, but the Trinidadian, who scored Cardiff's late winner in the 3-2 win over Brentford, said: “Right now club promotion is everyone's primary focus.
“I'm really just enjoying my time here at Cardiff with Russell Slade and the lads.”
Jones, who joined Cardiff from Stoke in January 2014 in a swap deal that saw Peter Odemwingie move in the opposite direction, is easily the highest paid player at the club with a basic pay-packet of £35,000 a week.
As was shown by his winner against the Bees, he remains Slade's best available goalscorer and is clearly enjoying teaming up with new strike partner Tony Watt.
Cardiff are keen to sign Charlton loanee Watt on a permanent deal to continue what has proved a promising partnership with Jones.
“With Tony Watt now in the mix it's been a good experience working day by day to get the job done,” Jones added.
“The fans continue to be fantastic and of course that support drives the team to want to finish well.”
Slade and Cardiff certainly had Jones to thank on Tuesday after he rescued the Bluebirds from the near embarrassment of throwing away yet another two-goal lead.
First-half efforts from Jones and Watt had put Slade's men in control before Brentford hit back after the interval.
For the third consecutive home game it looked as if Cardiff would have to settle for a point before Jones struck late on.
His cool 94th minute strike secured a 3-2 victory and three vital home points.
“In the second-half Brentford came out with a vengeance and we needed to hold the fort when it mattered most,” Jones added.
“They applied the pressure but the boys never lost faith. Fabio presented an excellent opportunity down the left in those last few minutes and I was able to connect and find the net.”
After victory over Brentford, Cardiff face a short turnaround before they make the trip to Birmingham on Friday evening where Slade will hope Jones and Watt continue what is already proving to be a fruitful partnership.
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WATCH: Kenwyne Jones scores a double in Cardiff City’s 3-2 win over Brentford
https://www.youtube.com/v/HOeXwXrl0BI
https://www.youtube.com/v/8DSxW0iXc7Y
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Daiz de way KJ, let them know yuh eh have no worries, yuh not desperate and yuh enjoying yuhself while dey literally toozin dong dey self with worry about life without you or life having to pay to afford your highness's services.
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The game ended 3-2 with KJ scoring again to win in injury time.
Goal! Cardiff City 3, Brentford 2. Kenwyne Jones (Cardiff City) left footed shot from the centre of the box to the bottom left corner. Assisted by Fabio with a cross.
Action speak Louder than words... Well done KJ.... :beermug: :beermug:
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Look like he take a knock on dat second goal. Hope it eh nothing serious.
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Cardiff City manager Russell Slade desperate to hold on to Kenywne Jones but admits decision might be out of his hands
By Steve Tucker (Wales Online)
Cardiff City boss Russell Slade insists he is determined to keep star striker Kenwyne Jones, but admits the decision could well be out of his hands.
Jones made it five goals for the season with a brace against Brentford on Tuesday night including a last gasp winner after the Bluebirds had been pegged back to 2-2 once more.
Slade labelled the 31-year-old as vital to Cardiff’s hopes of keeping up their Championship play-off push.
But Jones’ contract in the Welsh capital ends next summer, meaning he is free to talk to other clubs when the January transfer window opens.
Cardiff want to keep Jones, but are set to offer the frontman, who is the club’s biggest earner with a deal worth £35,000 a week, a new contract on reduced terms.
The move comes as owner Vincent Tan cuts costs at the club and Slade admitted that despite Jones being a very difficult player to replace, financial concerns could well play a part.
“I can’t comment really on his new contract. That’s an internal matter to be negotiated with the players we wish to keep,” said Slade, whose side travel to Birmingham tomorrow night.
“I leave that to the club and hope we resolve it. Kenwyne’s a big part of what we do here. He’s playing regularly.
“To get a target man is not easy. He gives us a focal point. He’s good in the air and effective in both boxes. Those attributes are not easy to come by."
Slade added: “We do hope to hold on to our better players.
“But there’s the football decision and then there’s the financial decision. On the football side he was doing everything on Tuesday night, but we want more of it of course.
“He’s very important to us. But he’s doing everything possible to show us what we need from him.
“He’s giving a great example of what we need to do to get in the top six.”
Doubts were raised over Jones’ desire to remain at Cardiff when, despite netting a winner late on, he appeared to not even celebrate the strike at all.
Slade dismissed such suggestions though, insisting Jones had been delighted to find the net against Brentford and that he was still totally committed to the Bluebirds.
“I would not read anything into that at all,” added Slade.
“What I’ve been told is that Kenwyne has said his priority and focus is on promotion and not individual contracts.
“That’s fantastic coming from a player whose contract is up in the summer.
“He was pleased as punch he got the goals. I can assure you of that.
“Maybe he was more relieved more than anything. Maybe he was just cool about it. People react in different ways.
“He was pleased he got us over the line.”
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Lovely. KJ you in de driver's seat. . Keep your leverage high and when legally allowed, interview all over to have many options.
Doh feel sorry for them
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i wonder if Chelsea go scoop him up? ;D
All jokes aside I would love to see him back in the PL..he good for another 2 years there
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If he goes anywhere in the PL at the transfer deadline....it could be Aston Villa.
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If he goes anywhere in the PL at the transfer deadline....it could be Aston Villa.
How u figure villa bro?
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If he goes anywhere in the PL at the transfer deadline....it could be Aston Villa.
How u figure villa bro?
Their strikers are Jordan Ayew, Agbonlahor, Scott Sinclair, Gestede, and Kozak.
They're desperate to avoid the drop and need a presence up front to complement Ayew, Agbonlahor, and Sinclair
Gestede and Kozak are their only target men strikers.
Gestede has 4 goals in 16 appearances for Villa
Kozak hasn't moved from off the bench
The other forwards are hobbits
The main thing that would/could scare them off is KJ's price tag. Same issue with all other teams.
He also has "history". But just like when Bournemouth took him on loan last season.....teams looking for help in the short term could well work something out.
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KJ bout 31 years old. As much as we (and he) would like to see it happen, ain't no Prem team buying old men like that. You might a Jermaine Defoe or Ricky Lambert as exceptions, but KJ eh have their reputation.
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KJ bout 31 years old. As much as we (and he) would like to see it happen, ain't no Prem team buying old men like that. You might a Jermaine Defoe or Ricky Lambert as exceptions, but KJ eh have their reputation.
Esteban Cambiasso (34) - Leicester City 2014
Gareth Barry (32) - Everton 2013
At the end of the day......all managers will ask.....can this player help me to keep my job?
That's all that matters.
Remember....just last season.....KJ was very close to going to Everton.
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KJ bout 31 years old. As much as we (and he) would like to see it happen, ain't no Prem team buying old men like that. You might a Jermaine Defoe or Ricky Lambert as exceptions, but KJ eh have their reputation.
Esteban Cambiasso (34) - Leicester City 2014
Gareth Barry (32) - Everton 2013
At the end of the day......all managers will ask.....can this player help me to keep my job?
That's all that matters.
Remember....just last season.....KJ was very close to going to Everton.
Didier Drogba (36) - Chelsea (2014-15).
Heard a rumour/reference to a reputable club looking at a 35 year old during this window.
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link for the game today live now http://livestream-l.info/video/216231.html
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link for the game today live now http://livestream-l.info/video/216231.html
Cardiff got robbed with a bogus pk before the half. Ref call for handball when the ball hit the defender in the face.
Birmingham 1 - Cardiff 0 at the half.
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ruff
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Cardiff City striker Kenwyne Jones to end his Bluebirds career and leave club in January
By Steve Tucker (Wales Online)
Cardiff City striker Kenwyne Jones is set to leave the Bluebirds in January for a bumper pay-day abroad, WalesOnline can reveal.
The 31-year-old marksman will head out on loan from the Welsh capital with a club in Dubai, Qatar, China or America’s MLS the likely destination.
The deal will become permanent in the summer when Jones’ current contract comes to an end at Cardiff.
The Bluebirds hierarchy have decided to get the Trinidad & Tobago international off the wage bill after Jones and his representatives decided against signing a new contract in the Welsh capital which would have seen the frontman’s wages slashed.
Jones is currently the highest paid player at the club, on a basic salary of £35,000 a week. This figure is seen as unsustainable as Bluebirds’ owner Vincent Tan has called on manager Russell Slade to cut his playing budget over the past year.
Jones joined the Bluebirds in January 2014 from Stoke in a deal which saw Peter Odemwingie move in the opposite direction. Jones has made 67 appearances for Cardiff, firing 19 goals in the process.
He was the Bluebirds’ top-scorer last season. As Slade’s men try to cling onto their hope of a Championship play-off place this term, Jones has scored five so far, his latest coming as he fired a brace in the win over Brentford earlier this month.
The transfer window will now reopen from this Saturday and Jones’ representatives are thought to already be in negotiations with a clutch of overseas’s clubs.
Slade himself is set to make the signing of Tony Watt permanent when the striker’s current loan deal from Charlton comes to an end on January 16.
Jones’ departure will also see the Bluebirds on the look out for a new target man. It looks likely they will try to bring in a striker from the Premier League on loan if possible to fill the big boots left by Jones.
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Selfishly, I would like to see him in MLS...a league that I'm much more familiar with.
That said....I wish him all the best wherever he goes. He will make the best decision for him and his family.
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Cardiff City striker Kenwyne Jones to end his Bluebirds career and leave club in January
By Steve Tucker (Wales Online)
Cardiff City striker Kenwyne Jones is set to leave the Bluebirds in January for a bumper pay-day abroad, WalesOnline can reveal.
The 31-year-old marksman will head out on loan from the Welsh capital with a club in Dubai, Qatar, China or America’s MLS the likely destination.
The deal will become permanent in the summer when Jones’ current contract comes to an end at Cardiff.
The Bluebirds hierarchy have decided to get the Trinidad & Tobago international off the wage bill after Jones and his representatives decided against signing a new contract in the Welsh capital which would have seen the frontman’s wages slashed.
Jones is currently the highest paid player at the club, on a basic salary of £35,000 a week. This figure is seen as unsustainable as Bluebirds’ owner Vincent Tan has called on manager Russell Slade to cut his playing budget over the past year.
Jones joined the Bluebirds in January 2014 from Stoke in a deal which saw Peter Odemwingie move in the opposite direction. Jones has made 67 appearances for Cardiff, firing 19 goals in the process.
He was the Bluebirds’ top-scorer last season. As Slade’s men try to cling onto their hope of a Championship play-off place this term, Jones has scored five so far, his latest coming as he fired a brace in the win over Brentford earlier this month.
The transfer window will now reopen from this Saturday and Jones’ representatives are thought to already be in negotiations with a clutch of overseas’s clubs.
Slade himself is set to make the signing of Tony Watt permanent when the striker’s current loan deal from Charlton comes to an end on January 16.
Jones’ departure will also see the Bluebirds on the look out for a new target man. It looks likely they will try to bring in a striker from the Premier League on loan if possible to fill the big boots left by Jones.
January is tomorrow.. If he leaves tomorrow, will he be available for the Copa game? Maybe we might get our wish..
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Money talks and I cant blame Jones, he is not getting younger.
Would love to see him in MLS but I doubt they could make money from clubs in Dubai and China.
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Kenwyne Jones failed to win the hearts of Cardiff City fans but finding the right replacement will define play-off hopes
By Steve Tucker (Wales Online)
So Kenwyne Jones looks set to leave Cardiff City in January, but does the Bluebirds’ star striker take his side’s Championship play-off hopes with him?
The loss of Jones, of course, is a blow in many ways. The departure of a man of that stature would be a loss for any side.
But Jones’ time at Cardiff has always seemed a strange one in many ways. Since his arrival from Stoke in January 2014, the 31-year-old may have won the minds of many Cardiff City supporters, but rarely their hearts.
The capital club has always been the same when it comes to its heroes. The Cardiff legends always seem blood and thunder types, the 110 per-centers, those with socks round their ankles and blood trickling from their noses. Jones' laid back style always seemed designed to garner heckles rather than praise.
Jones is hardly a finesse player, he remains a battering ram in many ways, but if his charms were sometimes hidden to the Cardiff-faithful, his statistics at the Welsh club could not lie.
He was Cardiff’s top scorer last season and he remains for many the best striker at the club, capable of terrorising any Championship defence.
WalesOnline columnist Nathan Blake has always maintained that those at the club have always failed to ‘love’ Jones enough and you have to say that stretches right across the fan base too.
But it wold be wrong to say Jones takes the Bluebirds’ play-off hopes with him. Let's be honest, Slade and his men have been doing a good enough job of derailing their promotion push of late with the Trinidad & Tobago striker still in their midst.
But what remains crucial now for Slade is that the right replacement is found for Jones in the January transfer window because, make no mistake, the man to step in for Jones is not currently in the Bluebirds squad.
Alex Revell may be back from his loan spell at Wigan, but despite opportunities, the striker has proved not effective enough to lead the Cardiff line at Championship level. Federicio Macheda and Idriss Saadi are other options but both have much to prove for different reasons.
The Bluebirds are going to need to bring someone in to partner Tony Watt, who now looks like he will be signed permanently and handed massive responsibility by Slade for the second half of the season. The hunt needs to be to find the man to complement Watt and to forge an excellent partnership.
It seems likely that search will take the Bluebirds to the Premier League with perhaps a loan signing until the end of the season.
Can the Bluebirds achieve it? Why not? They have done it before. Back in January 2013, then-manager Malky Mackay brought in Fraizer Campbell from Sunderland and his seven goals in the latter half of the campaign helped push the Bluebirds to the Championship title.
Jones (at his best) will be missed by Cardiff but what they need now is the right replacement in the January window. Finding that man might just be the biggest test Slade has faced since taking the job in the first place.
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With these developments, I wonder if K9 will be available for next weeks game? This is the million dollar question right now.
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Liga MX would be a better fit than MLS and he could thrive like Gignac for a high paycheck, higher than MLS most likely
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Kenwyne Jones
2 January 2016
Kenwyne Jones: Cardiff striker 'in talks' with foreign club
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/35205546
By Dafydd Pritchard
BBC Wales Sport
Cardiff City striker Kenwyne Jones is in transfer talks with a foreign club, manager Russell Slade has revealed. Jones, 31, is out of contract at the end of the season and is one of the Bluebirds' highest earners. It is understood Cardiff are unlikely to demand a transfer fee and, if they do, it is expected to be nominal. "At this stage all I can tell you is that he's in dialogue with another football club abroad," Slade told the club's website.
Cardiff opened negotiations with Jones about a new contract in September, with Slade reiterating in November that he wanted the Trinidadian to stay. The 6ft 2in forward joined Cardiff in January 2014 as part of a swap deal that saw Peter Odemwingie move the other way to Stoke City.
He was Cardiff's top scorer last season despite spending the final six weeks of the campaign on loan at Bournemouth, helping them win promotion to the Premier League.
Jones was left out of the squad for Saturday's home match with Blackburn, which the home side won following Joe Mason's second-half goal.
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Eurosport claiming it's a club in Dubai
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Just FYI it is confirmed by a good source that beast will not be playing in the match against Haiti
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Ok. Thanks for the heads up, as some still hoping that somehow KJ could find wiggle room to show up.
There seems to be a li'l twist on how KJ is leaving Cardiff.
Get the impression that he has to satisfy the contract with a loan deal, if he leaves now and later (seemingly summer) he would be free to sign wherever.
Not sure if the loan enterprise and the final destination are the same. Good luck KJ.
Anyway, more related news: http://www.cardiff.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=428337
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Cardiff City boss Russell Slade turns his attention to replacing Kenwyne Jones after Blackburn win
By Steve Tucker (Wales Online)
Cardiff City boss Russell Slade saw his side earn a vital win over Blackburn, but admitted his attentions have turned to replacing striker Kenwyne Jones.
As WalesOnline revealed recently Jones is leaving the club and is in talks with a foreign club, thought to be one in Dubai.
Last season’s top scorer, Jones will be a big loss for Cardiff, but his replacement against Rovers, Joe Mason, got the winner that moves the Bluebirds back to within four points of the Championship play-off places.
Mason might be the club’s top-scorer with six now, but Slade said a new player was needed in the now-open transfer window to partner Tony Watt whose loan deal from Charlton should be made permanent this month too.
“Kenwyne is in dialogue with a club abroad and that is likely to be concluded shortly,” said Slade.
“I’ve no idea about a fee. You will have to speak to the chairman. It’s a financial decision because he is on a huge wage.
“When Kenwyne is on the team-sheet the opposition see that as something that needs to be dealt with. He’s a real threat, particularly in the air.
“We did not have the threat against Blackburn and we need to bring that threat back.
“We need the option of having a target man. With Kenwyne going a big striker would be a necessity.”
As for bringing players in, Slade has targeted at least three fresh faces, adding: “I would like to think it will be a busy few weeks.
“We’ve targeted the players we would like, we are hoping to bring them in however tight financially it might be.
“I hope there is some money from the Kenwyne deal of course.”
On the pitch against Paul Lambert’s Blackburn things were rarely pretty with both teams struggling to create chances on a poor playing surface at Cardiff City Stadium.
Slade said he was pleased with how his men stuck to their task and how they had seen out the game after Mason grabbed what proved to be the winner just before the hour mark.
The Cardiff boss urged his men to now keep the play-off push going through the second-half of the campaign.
“We probably have played better than that and not won recently,” added Slade.
“Sometimes it’s not about the most complete performance.
“The game was flat in the first period, but you have to take into consideration how difficult it was on that surface to move the ball quickly.
“It was difficult to get any intensity or tempo. For both teams, not just for us.
“That slowed the intensity of the whole afternoon. What was pleasing was that despite the busy schedule, we came out in the second period and really got on the front foot."
Slade continued: “We got a goal and could have wrapped it up with a Tony Watt one-on-one. That would have been nice.
“I was pleased with the way we managed the game at the end too because we have surrendered a couple of leads before when we have been in control.
“But I’m delighted with the clean-sheet. We have won at home - we are difficult to beat at home. That’s important to us. We are four points off the play-offs too now.
“I summed it up by saying the half marathon is over, we are into the second half of the marathon now.
“There are no trophies at the half-way stage, there are no medals, but we are in striking distance of the top teams and that is the most important thing now.”
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Sven-Goran Eriksson wants to bring Cardiff striker Kenwyne Jones to Shanghai SIPG
By Sami Mokbel (Daily Mail)
Cardiff striker Kenwyne Jones is a target for Sven-Goran Eriksson at Shanghai SIPG.
Initial overtures have been made to the former Stoke striker and a deal is expected to gather pace in the next few days.
Eriksson wants to take Jones on an initial loan with a view to a permanent switch.
The Trinidad and Tobago frontman has played regularly for the Bluebirds this season; scoring five goals in 20 appearances.
But the lure of huge riches in China could prove to good a proposition for Jones to turn down this month. Likewise, Cardiff are not against offloading Jones’ salary off their wage bill.
There has been huge investment into the Chinese Super League in recent months and there is a desire to land a number of player from Europe to raise the division’s profile.
Indeed, Sportsmail revealed last month how Shanghai were targeting Wayne Rooney in a deal that would net the Manchester United striker £75 million over three years.
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Kenwyne PLEASE go somewhere that you will be playing regularly...... you will need time to make the adjustment to your new environment and catch back your form before the next set of world cup qualifiers....
And make sure that there is a clause for time off to play in those games...as I know that when you go to a new club they does want to hold on to players.
And finally....don't go anywhere too far so that Jet lag go be an issue !!!
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Kenwyne PLEASE go somewhere that you will be playing regularly...... you will need time to make the adjustment to your new environment and catch back your form before the next set of world cup qualifiers....
And make sure that there is a clause for time off to play in those games...as I know that when you go to a new club they does want to hold on to players.
And finally....don't go anywhere too far so that Jet lag go be an issue !!!
You paying the man bills in secret and we doh know....Where alluh does come out from bai :worried: :worried:
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Kenwyne PLEASE go somewhere that you will be playing regularly...... you will need time to make the adjustment to your new environment and catch back your form before the next set of world cup qualifiers....
And make sure that there is a clause for time off to play in those games...as I know that when you go to a new club they does want to hold on to players.
And finally....don't go anywhere too far so that Jet lag go be an issue !!!
You paying the man bills in secret and we doh know....Where alluh does come out from bai :worried: :worried:
:rotfl:
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Kenwyne PLEASE go somewhere that you will be playing regularly...... you will need time to make the adjustment to your new environment and catch back your form before the next set of world cup qualifiers....
And make sure that there is a clause for time off to play in those games...as I know that when you go to a new club they does want to hold on to players.
And finally....don't go anywhere too far so that Jet lag go be an issue !!!
You paying the man bills in secret and we doh know....Where alluh does come out from bai :worried: :worried:
Who de hell is you ?????? Kenwyne is in a position to negotiate that is all I am saying.
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In terms of playing quality football the MLS may be a better option , but he would get a much larger salary in the middle east good luck deciding :beermug:
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Lehme introduce a name into this discussion: Asamoah Gyan. KJ do yuh thing. Yuh eh go lose nutten.
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Lehme introduce a name into this discussion: Asamoah Gyan. KJ do yuh thing. Yuh eh go lose nutten.
I read that he makes around million pounds a month playing in China. KJ makes close to 2 million a year. If something does come from China, it will be a "no brainer".
I dont see KJ back in the Premier League (although I think he still has the quality), MLS is also a good option.
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Lehme introduce a name into this discussion: Asamoah Gyan. KJ do yuh thing. Yuh eh go lose nutten.
I read that he makes around million pounds a month playing in China. KJ makes close to 2 million a year. If something does come from China, it will be a "no brainer".
I dont see KJ back in the Premier League (although I think he still has the quality), MLS is also a good option.
And even beyond the $$$ factor, Gyan's contributions to country while outside the PL have not been piss poor.
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Kenwyne Jones set for Al Jazira move
By John August (HITC Sport)
Cardiff City striker Kenwyne Jones has flown out to Abu Dhabi to finalise a move to Al Jazira, HITC Sport understands from sources close to the club.
Jones was left out of the Cardiff squad for last weekend's win over Blackburn Rovers after opening talks with Al Jazira regarding a move away from the Cardiff City Stadium.
Cardiff boss Russell Slade is willing to let Jones leave the club this month to get him off the wage bill to allow him the opportunity to add to his squad.
"It's a financial decision because he's on a huge wage here," Slade told BBC Sport at the weekend. "He's in dialogue with a club abroad so that is likely to be concluded shortly."
A number of clubs, including Sven Goran Eriksson's Shanghai SIPG, have shown an interest in Jones, but Al Jazira have moved quickly to agree a deal for the former Sunderland and Stoke forward.
Al Jazira have endured a miserable campaign so far this season, with the side who were tipped for an Arabian Gulf League title push, currently sitting fourth from bottom of the table.
The Abu Dhabi side see Jones as someone who can help score the goals to lift them up the table in the second half of the season.
Jones is set to finalise his move to Al Jazira in the next 24 hours after flying out for further talks and a medical.
Trinidad & Tobago international Jones joined Cardiff in January 2014 as part of a swap deal that saw Peter Odemwingie move the other way to Stoke City.
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The definition of missing out on one's potential.
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At 31, how much more potential ur still expecting to see?
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Potential to make a pretty penny.
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Kenwyne Jones is on the verge of becoming an Al Jazira player after he completed his medical with the Abu Dhabi side. (http://www.thenational.ae/sport/arabian-gulf-league/cardiff-city-striker-kenwyne-jones-in-abu-dhabi-to-complete-al-jazira-loan-move)
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At 31, how much more potential ur still expecting to see?
His whole career man. He never took working hard day-in and day-out in the Prem seriously
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At 31, how much more potential ur still expecting to see?
His whole career man. He never took working hard day-in and day-out in the Prem seriously
WTF??? :o
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At 31, how much more potential ur still expecting to see?
His whole career man. He never took working hard day-in and day-out in the Prem seriously
I think many of us would look back as KJ as someone whom after DY/RL/SH/SJ should have probably featured more prominently in the prem/top flight football, particular when comparisons w/Drogba were being made. That said, not sure we could soundly say he never took working hard day-in/day-out seriously, but perhaps you have more insight.
His re-birth under Hart I prefer to single out particularly if transpires into some major national accomplishments and hopefully we are on the cusp of that. A footballer's timeline is quite short, so can't disagree w/him one iota for going after the $$ now....
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Kenwyne Jones completes loan move to Abu Dhabi side Al Jazira
By Alex Bywater (Wales Online)
Kenwyne Jones has completed his loan move to Abu Dhabi side Al Jazira and is line to earn £50,000 a week at his new club.
The Trinidad and Tobago skipper, 31, finalised his transfer from Cardiff City after passing a medical at Jazira's training ground on Tuesday.
Under the terms of the deal, Jones will stay in the United Arab Emirates until the end of the season when his contract with the Bluebirds expires.
On completing his move, the former Sunderland and Southampton striker paid tribute to Cardiff's supporters saying: “I am really appreciative of the opportunity to have worked with a great team at Cardiff and to play in front of some of the most passionate fans in Wales.
“This decision was made based on the opportunities presented to me. I would like to say thank you to the Bluebirds staff and players .
“I wish them all the success in their future endeavours. I also extend a special thank you to the amazing supporters.
“It really has been my absolute pleasure. I will never forget you.”
Cardiff's decision to let Jones leave was purely down to the striker's wages with boss Russell Slade admitting the move was based on financial circumstances.
But the news he is expected to increase his salary by leaving the Welsh capital will come as a shock to some Bluebirds supporters.
With Cardiff owner Vincent Tan keen to stabilise the club's accounts, Jones' £35,000 a week wage at Cardiff City Stadium was seen as something which had to be slashed.
But he'll now earn significantly more than that in the next few months with Al Jazira who currently sit tenth in the UAE top-flight.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX-3koAWcAUrpUZ.jpg)
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Congrats KJ. Nice pay day too :thumbsup:
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Get yuh paper Captain. All the best.
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At 31, how much more potential ur still expecting to see?
His whole career man. He never took working hard day-in and day-out in the Prem seriously
WTF??? :o
Im sure you followed his time at Stoke and Sunderland. Every manager raved about his talent and wanted to play him every week but always lamented his inconsistency.
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At 31, how much more potential ur still expecting to see?
His whole career man. He never took working hard day-in and day-out in the Prem seriously
I think many of us would look back as KJ as someone whom after DY/RL/SH/SJ should have probably featured more prominently in the prem/top flight football, particular when comparisons w/Drogba were being made. That said, not sure we could soundly say he never took working hard day-in/day-out seriously, but perhaps you have more insight.
His re-birth under Hart I prefer to single out particularly if transpires into some major national accomplishments and hopefully we are on the cusp of that. A footballer's timeline is quite short, so can't disagree w/him one iota for going after the $$ now....
The insight I form an opinion on are from his managers. I dont begrudge him going to get a big-time pay check in the Gulf, and he certainly has become a more mature footballer once he hit 30. He has been a good captain for us.
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Good going KJ, just sad you didn't light up the English leagues and left your imprint.
Hopefully, you do well enough to sign a full time loan.
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Potential to make a pretty penny
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So.... What does this move mean for KJ's travels for games within the CONCACAF region?
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Means he goes a little further....
Dwight used to fly from Sydney during the '06 drive
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So.... What does this move mean for KJ's travels for games within the CONCACAF region?
He will just have to fly to the region once for the qualifiers in March. He is only with this team until June. If he decides to stay and the team wants him to, then he will have to travel to the region for the games in September.
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Tell to ask the Prince to lend him one of his many Lear jets.
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The reason Kenwyne Jones left Cardiff City despite his 'love of the fans'
By Phil Smith (Wales Online)
Kenwyne Jones left Cardiff City reluctantly because he wasn't offered a new contract, his representative has insisted.
The star striker, the club's top scorer last season, had a special 'love' for the passion of Bluebirds fans, his publicist Tenille Clarke told WalesOnline.
But she claimed Jones had to move on after carefully weighing up his options.
"He was not offered another contract at Cardiff," maintained Clarke. "Things were set in motion before he knew; nothing else made itself known at that time.
"His decision was weighed carefully on what was available to him."
Fans' favourite Jones has joined Middle East side Al Jazira on loan, with Cardiff wanting to reduce the wage bill.
Jones was the top earner at the Bluebirds and it is thought he was offered the chance to take a pay cut to stay in Wales. Manager Russell Slade said at the end of November that talks over a new deal were planned.
However, Jones left this week with Clarke saying: “Ultimately, he made the best choice from the options that were presented, and he is thrilled to be joining Al Jazira this month.
“The fact that he wasn't offered a new contract with Cardiff City, however, does not in any way discredit the work he has done there, the collaborative effort and brotherhood shared on and off the field with his Bluebird team-mates, or the love he has for Cardiff fans.
“He loves their passion – always has and will.”
The big striker made 64 appearances since joining from Stoke in 2014 and is proud of what he did in a Bluebirds shirt.
His representative said: "Kenwyne has undeniably made commendable contributions to Cardiff City since his arrival there in 2014.
"As with any profession, there is change - so his new goal is to settle into Abu Dhabi, get down the business of football at Al Jazira and give 110 per cent to his new club."
Jones tweeted himself on Wednesday morning "Thanks to the Bluebirds... wasn't offered any deal so had to step..."
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Al Jazira’s Kenwyne Jones can thrive with right attitude after Cardiff exit
By Ali Khaled (The National)
He was once compared to Didier Drogba. At 22 years of age, he had a World Cup appearance under his belt. And in 2010, he was almost signed by then Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez.
Now Trinidad and Tobago forward Kenwyne Jones has joined Al Jazira from English second-tier side Cardiff City on loan for the rest of the season. It is the latest move in a career that has delivered less than it promised.
No doubt the move will be seen by some as the Arabian Gulf League attracting another player whose best days are behind him.
It is not something that player and club should concern themselves too much about.
ALSO READ: ‘I will never forget you’: Kenwyne Jones thanks Cardiff City after completing Al Jazira move
With last season’s top scorer Mirko Vucinic out for the season with a cruciate knee ligament injury, the struggling Abu Dhabi club desperately needed a goalscoring presence up front.
For Jones, it will offer a chance for him to stamp his mark on a league where, for varying reasons, some of the leading forwards have found the going tough for this season.
Alongside Vucinic, Al Ahli’s Rodrigo Lima has been ruled out for at least three months, Nigeria international Emmanuel Emenike has come under criticism at Al Ain, and Edgar Bruno has struggled at Al Wasl.
This could be the ideal time for Jones to put his name in the headlines.
At 31, he possesses all the qualities needed to succeed in the domestic league. International experience, brute strength and an aerial ability to dominate UAE defences.
There are plenty of cases of experienced, physical forwards succeeding against often naive AGL defending. Former Al Wahda and Al Jazira striker Fernando Baiano had plenty of success from 2008 to 2012, scoring more than 50 goals. So did the Brazilian Grafite for Al Ahli. Edgar Bruno at Al Shabab, Makhete Diop at Al Dhafra now, and Ibrahim Toure at Al Nasr, all bullied defenders.
For Al Jazira, the addition of Jones should bring about a change of approach from new coach Henk ten Cate.
During last season, Jazira’s fluent team relied on the quick interchanges between Vucinic and Ali Mabkhout for the bulk of their goals. But after a poor start to this season that saw Brazilian Abel Braga depart as manager, the team will have to be far more direct if they are to maximise Jones’s strengths, which could be what the club had in mind with the signing of Spanish winger Angel Lafita.
At his best for Sunderland and Stoke City, Jones was a formidable target man and has maintained a goal in four matches ratio throughout his career. In the AGL, that will not be good enough for the fans though.
As always, the shadow of previous big-name failures hangs over the new signing. As does the issue of desire.
The reason many overseas have failed in the past has not been any lack of quality. On the contrary, the likes of David Trezeguet, Ricardo Quaresma and more recently Ryan Babel are all gifted footballers who did not hit the heights because the simply looked like they would rather be somewhere else.
Jones needs to prove he has the motivation to go with his attributes. Time is not on his or Al Jazira’s side. He has a six-month deal and we all know how quick Jazira can be to ditch their foreign players.
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Kenwyne Jones sets goal target after pledging to help Al Jazira climb the AGL table
By Amith Passela (The National)
Kenwyne Jones has set himself a target of “nine goals” after being presented by Al Jazira alongside fellow new signing Angel Lafita.
Jones, 31, has been recruited by Jazira from Championship club Cardiff City on a six month loan deal to fill the void left by injured striker Mirko Vucinic, while Lafita has arrived on a two-and-a-half year contract from Spanish club Getafe and will replace Brazilian midfielder Thiago Neves.
Despite having only arrived in the UAE this week, both players are expected to start Friday’s Arabian Gulf League match against Al Wasl at the Zabeel stadium.
“I want to go out there and try to help out the team straightaway, even though it will take a few games to get used to the team,” Jones said.
“I hope I can score. That’s why I was brought here. I will try to use all my Premier League experience, my international and World Cup experience. If we can work as a unit, we can achieve something.
“It is not easy for me to come and say I will score a million goals at once but I will try to get at least nine.”
Ali Khaled: Kenwyne Jones can thrive for Al Jazira with right attitude after Cardiff exit
Lafita said he consulted with former Jazira midfielder Abdelaziz Barrada, and Luis Garcia, his old coach at Getafe now in charge at Baniyas, and their recommendations made it a quick and easy decision.
“They spoke very high of the AGL and Jazira,” Lafita said. “I was given a warm welcome and now look forward to working together with my new teammates for the success of the team.”
Jazira will hope the arrival of Jones and Lafita will help revitalise the team after a disappointing first half of the season. Jazira, last year’s runners-up, are languishing in 10th place in the league table having lost seven of their 13 matches. Their poor form ultimately led to the sacking of manager Abel Braga, who has been succeeded by Dutchman Henk Ten Cate.
“I was really impressed with the attitudes of both Kenwyne Jones and Angel Lafita,” Gianluca Nani, Jazira’s sporting director, said.
“They were both pushing to come here and work for Jazira. For me, it was really important because we don’t want players to come here just for money or to enjoy the weather. I can promise it was not the money and it helped me a lot to conclude the deals.”
When asked if Jazira were looking for further additions to the squad during the mid-season transfer, Nani said: “We will be looking for the opportunities when the market is open.
“Our job is to be ready for both local and international player opportunities that may come during this period. But at the moment we are only thinking of Friday’s game.
“We are happy with the squad at the moment but still there are some injured players, particularly in defence, so we’ll see where we stand in the coming weeks. When the market is open a lot can happen.”
https://www.youtube.com/v/gt_dq0uIeSc
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Any report on KJ performance in his first game yesterday (2:2 draw) ?
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Any report on KJ performance in his first game yesterday (2:2 draw) ?
http://www.jc.ae/en/news/football-news/al-wasl-2-2-al-jazira-agl-match-summary/
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Check out the highlights for KJ debut game for Al Jazira
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmvEHRAsqTw
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At least he assist the assister ;D
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‘The goals will come’: Kenwyne Jones vows to fire Al Jazira up the AGL table
By John McAuley (The National)
Kenwyne Jones is confident Al Jazira have the talent to turn around their season having seen enough positives during his debut on Friday.
The Cardiff City striker joined the club last week on loan until the end of the campaign and has been tasked with scoring the goals to lift Jazira from their current position of 10th in the Arabian Gulf League.
Jones did not find the net in his first match although he played a key role in the 2-2 draw at Al Wasl, helping create his new side’s second goal. The Abu Dhabi club, who also had coach Henk ten Cate in the dugout for the first time, twice took the lead despite being largely outplayed by their fourth-placed hosts, but showed enough fight to suggest they can soon climb the table.
Jones agrees, with the Trinidad and Tobago captain sure Jazira possess enough ability to improve upon what has been a hugely disappointing season.
“I see enough room for progress, I don’t see any problem for this team,” he said. “They can progress easily. We just need to tighten up a few things and we’ll be fine.
“It’s like anywhere in the world. You have moments where you lose a bit of concentration and don’t do things to stay on top of the game. But it’s OK — I believe 100 per cent in this team, we have a lot of talent.”
Jones cited the need for Jazira to be stronger in defence, with the capital club conceding from two set pieces against Wasl. They have been breached 29 times in 14 league matches this campaign — a problem that extends back to last season even though Jazira eventually finished runners-up to Al Ain.
That places more emphasis on Jones to excel up front. The former Premier League forward will carry much of the goalscoring brunt, but has Ali Mabkhout, fellow new signing Angel Lafita and either Thiago Neves or Jefferson Farfan in support.
Jazira are willing to listen to offers for Neves, while Farfan is recovering from an ankle injury. Jones, though, is convinced he can repay the faith the club have shown in him.
“I hope so, that’d be nice,” he said. “Wasl was my first time getting used to the team, the players and who we’re playing against. I feel quite positive and I’m hopeful in the next 12 to 13 games the goals will come.”
Jazira now have almost two weeks until their next match, a time in which Jones says he will use to smooth the transition to UAE football.
“It’s beautiful,” he said. “It’s important for me and the team. We have one or two injuries coming back now so the team will get stronger over the next two weeks and then we can push forward again.”
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WATCH: Kenwyne Jones opens his Al Jazira goalscoring account with a trademark header in a 1-1 draw with Al-Sharjah
https://www.youtube.com/v/l0zvxoD_oNI
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Kj could mad leap we, stadium look like gold giving away outside
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Kj could mad leap we, stadium look like gold giving away outside
This gives you an idea
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12549037_1068056373246592_241371174414255525_n.jpg?oh=95a7533d91aeaae2e2f4493189bba363&oe=572C2CD4)
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The stands in that stadium real steep. You can't make a mistake, and you will tip over.
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TM, fuh a short man CG culda leap, remember de Gold Cup Panama goal? Dat is height
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TM, fuh a short man CG culda leap, remember de Gold Cup Panama goal? Dat is height
Yeh, man did look like he was peeping over de crossbar.
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Kj could mad leap we, stadium look like gold giving away outside
This gives you an idea
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12549037_1068056373246592_241371174414255525_n.jpg?oh=95a7533d91aeaae2e2f4493189bba363&oe=572C2CD4)
this is why im baffled that our wingers rarely put in the crosses in the box when we have the best header of the ball in the world, peltier, jovin and cordel. what a watse of a good leeper.
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nice goal KJ like he mix with kangaroo oh wa :rotfl:
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WATCH: Kenwyne Jones notches his second goal for Al Jazira in their 5-1 rout of Dibba Al Fujairah
https://www.youtube.com/v/dUXlPg1ya9w?start=109
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nice playing with mids that playing like mids, and defense that doh know..almost feel like fete match ;)
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Stylish, lovely goal.
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WATCH: Kenwyne Jones' goal helps Al Jazira advance to the AFC Champions League Group Stage at the expense of Al Sadd.
https://www.youtube.com/v/XT78Zz4HBiM
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Dat Al Sadd goalie was a mess but he make one good save in the penalties though.
BTW, alyuh notice who miss the first Al Sadd penalty?
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KJ beat Xavi!
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LOL I didn't even notice that was Xavi
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Dat Al Sadd goalie was a mess but he make one good save in the penalties though.
BTW, alyuh notice who miss the first Al Sadd penalty?
Plenty fodder for a match-fixing red flag.
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Dat Al Sadd goalie was a mess but he make one good save in the penalties though.
BTW, alyuh notice who miss the first Al Sadd penalty?
Plenty fodder for a match-fixing red flag.
That cross my mind too!
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Al Jazira striker Kenwyne Jones reflects on ‘special drama’ against Al Sadd
By Matt Monaghan (sport360.com)
Centre forward Kenwyne Jones insists the high drama which saw Al Jazira secure entry into the 2016 AFC Champions League made the triumph all the sweeter.
Tuesday’s undulating play-off at home to Qatari favourites Al Sadd was decided 5-4 in a shootout after a 2-2 draw at the end of normal time was only guaranteed by a last-gasp penalty save from UAE No1 Ali Khaseif to deny Khalfan Ibrahim.
“It was a one-off game and we knew we had to put everything into it,” said Cardiff City loanee Jones.
“Of course, we would have liked to finish it in the 90 minutes – but who said doing it easy is ever that sweet?
“Congratulations to everyone in the club and the fans of Al Jazira.
“It had exactly what every exciting game should have. It had thrills and spills, almost a good ending then a twist before the fairytale in which we went through.
“There were special moments in the penalty shootout through our goalkeeper and captain (Khaseif). Congratulations to him.
“I hope this pushes us on for the rest of the season.”
The Pride of Abu Dhabi forgot their painful domestic form to go through during a heart-racing evening. Right-back Khalid Sabeal gifted Sadd’s Hamza Senhadji the opener, prior to Jones’ headed leveller just before the break.
UAE striker Ali Mabkhout’s fine free-kick appeared to be sending the hosts through, only for Senhadji to strike late to complete his brace and Ibrahim to miss from 12 yards.
The shootout saw ex-Barcelona and Spain midfielder Xavi belie his experience as one of the most-decorated players in history to balloon over the opener for Sadd, with both sides making further misses before the visitors’ two-goal hero Senhadji smashed decisively against the bar.
Jazira fell at the same stage last year to Uzbekistan’s Bunyodkor.
Now, they head into Group C alongside Saudi Arabia’s Al Hilal, Iran’s Tractor Sazi and Uzbekistan’s Pakhtakor and Jones is looking forward to the challenge.
He said: “It is an exciting time. The AFC Champions League is another competition, maybe it might be a bit more strategic. It is home and away, you play for points and at home you try to win your games. It is going to be a fantastic journey. I think there are a lot of young players and new players in the squad for this competition. We are just going to work hard and try to enjoy it.”
Jones captains Trinidad and Tobago, featured in the 2006 World Cup for his nation and has battled Premier League defences at Southampton, Sunderland, Stoke City and Cardiff. He equates the engrossing one-off contest favourably to those experiences when asked to compare them.
“This game was right up there as it got us into the AFC Champions League,” said the 31-year-old. “It is just as important. This is a new place for me and I am happy to be part of the history we are making this year. Long may that continue.”
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I have listened to some of our footballers being interviewed,and sometimes wonder,why some are incapable of putting 2 lines together.I even wonder if our english has got worse.It's time to give our ballers some practice in english speaking,if their vocabulary is poor then it will be difficult to to be articulate.It's is sometimes embarrassing to listen to some interviews.I listened to Tasha St.Louis and she was so good in an interview,I suppose it's down to education.
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I have listened to some of our footballers being interviewed,and sometimes wonder,why some are incapable of putting 2 lines together.I even wonder if our english has got worse.It's time to give our ballers some practice in english speaking,if their vocabulary is poor then it will be difficult to to be articulate.It's is sometimes embarrassing to listen to some interviews.I listened to Tasha St.Louis and she was so good in an interview,I suppose it's down to education.
Good point, Frico.
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Means he goes a little further....
Dwight used to fly from Sydney during the '06 drive
ill fly to the north pole for an extra 20,000 pounds a week mate.
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Is Kenwyne Jones injured ? Did not see him on the roster for the victory on the 7th....
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Is Kenwyne Jones injured ? Did not see him on the roster for the victory on the 7th....
I think it's because he just had a new born earlier this week right around that time.
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WATCH: Kenwyne Jones scores in Al Jazira’s 3-2 win over Al Shaab
https://www.youtube.com/v/AYLuNYfSOE4?start=41
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Well he definitely put it where only Kenwyne was getting it! :beermug:
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Keeper make me laugh yes. Keep it up kj
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Just speculating here but Columbus Crew were interested in Jones last year. They just traded their DP striker Kamara today and need a target forward maybe they might try to make a move for Jones this summer as his future is up in the air. Even if it's not Columbus Jones will be on the move this summer as he hasn't started consistently so I doubt Al Jazira would renew his deal.
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Just speculating here but Columbus Crew were interested in Jones last year. They just traded their DP striker Kamara today and need a target forward maybe they might try to make a move for Jones this summer as his future is up in the air. Even if it's not Columbus Jones will be on the move this summer as he hasn't started consistently so I doubt Al Jazira would renew his deal.
Damn, Columbus sent a clear message by trading Kamara after all his drama this past weekend. Maybe it could be a possibility for KJ as you mentioned if he can't get another deal over there but the $$$ won't be the same.
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Trinidad and Tobago International Striker Kenwyne Jones will not return to Cardiff City in Wales at the end of the current season,..
https://www.facebook.com/csportslive/videos/1182567345128229/
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Kenwyn Won the Presidents Cup today . Why are we not highlighting his campaign ? Why has he fallen off to being an unused sub for the past few games ? What is his future ? how does his future affect his performance in the upcoming games ?
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the league here isnt very technical and to be honest when i saw jones play he was miles above them in class but never got them to play to his strenghts
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Kenwyne Jones and Al Jazira FC win coveted President's Cup 2016 in dramatic penalty shootout
Kenwyne Jones Media
Captain of the Trinidad & Tobago Men's National Team, Kenwyne Jones, continues to fly the flag of red, white and black high in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, as his Al Jazira Football Club edged past Al Ain to snag the highly-contested President's Cup 2016 on Sunday evening.
Fondly called "The Pride of Abu Dhabi" by fans, Al Jazira's triumph was a hard-fought battle against rivals Al Ain, who had managed to level the score at 1-1 at the end of the full 90 minutes. Jazira's goal came in the final minute before halftime, when Ali Mabkhout was awarded and calmly put away a penalty opportunity. Not to be outdone, Al Ain returned with a vengeance in the second half, and eventually levelled the scoreboard thanks to Brazilian-born Dyanfres Douglas, whose bullet shot to the roof of the net in the 64th minute.
Thereafter, Jones was sent on as a substitute by coach Henk ten Cate to keep the defence line strong for Al Jazira - a move which certainly worked in the team's favour, as regular time ended in an even score. With the removal of extra time as part of the new rules for the President's Cup, the trophy tug-of-war would have to be decided in a penalty shootout showdown.
After a total of 13 shots combined from the teams, Al Ain's fatal blow came swiftly, stunning into silence its heartbroken fans at the Shaikh Zayed City Stadium. It was Mohanad Salem's unlucky and ill-fated strike that would seal the deal of defeat for the Al Ain squad, and result in the glorious moment of celebration and revelry for Jones and Al Jazira.
His Publicist, Tenille Clarke, is ecstatic for her client and team's title. "Kenwyne is absolutely thrilled to be a part of the President's Cup Champions for 2016. He always believed that Al Jazira had great potential to be stars in the league, and it's just an air of celebration right now for him, his teammates, the Al Jazira staff, and his fans in the United Arab Emirates. To end the season on such a high, words can hardly describe this moment for him. Teamwork made the dream work, and it's been a long season of hard work and sacrifice for him. The dedication to his craft has once again paid off in not only representing his club, but Trinidad & Tobago on the global stage."
Jones has been on loan with Al Jazira F.C. in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) since January 2016, on loan from Cardiff City F.C. The Dubai-based club has also recently been named the Professional Club of the Year, and has previously won the President's Cup twice, having lifted the trophy in 2011 and 2012.
(http://socawarriors.net/images/stories/jones_kenwyne_vs_al_ain_2016-05-29_06.jpg)
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Thereafter, Jones was sent on as a substitute by coach Henk ten Cate to keep the defence line strong for Al Jazira - a move which certainly worked in the team's favour, as regular time ended in an even score.
??? What really going on here. First he not playing at all now he coming on to "keep the defense line strong"
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Thereafter, Jones was sent on as a substitute by coach Henk ten Cate to keep the defence line strong for Al Jazira - a move which certainly worked in the team's favour, as regular time ended in an even score.
??? What really going on here. First he not playing at all now he coming on to "keep the defense line strong"
I figure they meant defending set pieces. He did a lot of that in the premiership as well.
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Anyone know what's happening with KJ now? He's left Al Jazira - has he returned to the UK? No news of anyone showing interest or even of him being available.
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Anyone know what's happening with KJ now? He's left Al Jazira - has he returned to the UK? No news of anyone showing interest or even of him being available.
His loan ended, he should go back to Cardiff.
In my opinion he could easily play in MLS and be one of the top scorers, he's a very physical player so he would fit perfectly on the league. The problem is his salary is too high, I don't think any MLS club would pay like $2mi for him. He's not too famous and already 31 years old. If he accepts a huge paycut to earn like $800k I guess he'll receive some offers.
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Anyone know what's happening with KJ now? He's left Al Jazira - has he returned to the UK? No news of anyone showing interest or even of him being available.
His loan ended, he should go back to Cardiff.
In my opinion he could easily play in MLS and be one of the top scorers, he's a very physical player so he would fit perfectly on the league. The problem is his salary is too high, I don't think any MLS club would pay like $2mi for him. He's not too famous and already 31 years old. If he accepts a huge paycut to earn like $800k I guess he'll receive some offers.
Cardiff released him on 23rd May. MLS seems like the logical move, but there's been no news of any club showing interest as far as I am aware?
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Anyone know what's happening with KJ now? He's left Al Jazira - has he returned to the UK? No news of anyone showing interest or even of him being available.
His loan ended, he should go back to Cardiff.
In my opinion he could easily play in MLS and be one of the top scorers, he's a very physical player so he would fit perfectly on the league. The problem is his salary is too high, I don't think any MLS club would pay like $2mi for him. He's not too famous and already 31 years old. If he accepts a huge paycut to earn like $800k I guess he'll receive some offers.
Cardiff released him on 23rd May. MLS seems like the logical move, but there's been no news of any club showing interest as far as I am aware?
wow!! I didn't know that. And yes.. he wasn't linked to any MLS club as far as I know.
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So the captain unattached WOW.
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Cardiff City release Ben Turner and Kenwyne Jones in clearout
Cardiff City have released defender Ben Turner and striker Kenwyne Jones.
The duo join goalkeeper Joe Lewis, forward Etien Velikonja and midfielder Filip Kiss in departing the Bluebirds, along with four under-21 players.
Turner, 28, joined the Bluebirds in August 2011 and scored a last minute equaliser in the 2012 League Cup Final against Liverpool at Wembley.
He played 31 games for Cardiff in the Premier League in 2013-14 and made 121 appearances for the club in total.
Trinidad and Tobago international Jones joined the Bluebirds in a swap deal involving Peter Odemwinge in January 2014.
However, Jones was allowed out on loan this season and said at the time he had been offered 'no deal' to stay at Cardiff City Stadium.
In January he joined Al Jazira in the United Arab Emirates on loan until the end of the season.
Lewis, 28, joined on a free transfer from Peterborough United in 2012 but made only five senior appearances and had loan spells with Blackpool and Fulham.
Slovenia international striker Velikonja joined Cardiff on a four-year deal in July 2012 but failed to score in five first team games for the Bluebirds
Slovakian Kiss joined Cardiff on loan from SK Slovan Bratislava in July 2011 before the deal was made permanent 12 months later.
The 25-year-old spent two loan spells at Ross County and also spent a season on loan with Norwegian side.
Cardiff have also released Jazzi Barnum-Bobb, Abdi Noor, Tyler Roche and Curtis Watkins from their developmental side.
However, extensions have been offered to Luke O'Reilly, Elijah Phipps, Jamie Veale, Macauley Southam, David Tutonda, Ashley Baker, Dylan Rees, Tom James, Robbie Patten, Tommy O'Sullivan and Theo Wharton.
Jamie Bird, Rhys Abbruzzese, Lloyd Humphries and Rollin Menayese have all been offered their first professional contracts.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36359183
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Come and play for Jabloteh!!!
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So KJ comes and plays in Pro League.....which is fantastic preparation for playing modern international football.
The intensity....the technical requirements on display.....the quality of players....the experienced coaching...
Hex World Cup qualification for Russia 2018 is guaranteed.
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KJ's own refusal to live up to his potential is starting to affect his career
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KJ's own refusal to live up to his potential is starting to affect his career
Please expand on the above. Thanks
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KJ's own refusal to live up to his potential is starting to affect his career
Please expand on the above. Thanks
So you don't think KJ presence in the pro-league will give it the profile that it needs. Same as Landon Donavan going back to LA or Tim Howard recent move back to the MLS.
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Man had d goods to be one of d most physically imposing strikers in d prem, instead he would start hot hot den slow right down, KJ was never consistent, or tried to build a habit of consistency...... Man coulda be d mid-table drogba! Seen enough to know dat he had all d goods, but sadly never d temperament to keep it up for ah whole season.
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Man had d goods to be one of d most physically imposing strikers in d prem, instead he would start hot hot den slow right down, KJ was never consistent, or tried to build a habit of consistency...... Man coulda be d mid-table drogba! Seen enough to know dat he had all d goods, but sadly never d temperament to keep it up for ah whole season.
So how do you reconcile what you said above...with what you stated here?
KJ's own refusal
Refusal definition per Webster's dictionary: an act of saying or showing that you will not do, give, or accept something : an act of refusing
You saying that KJ deliberately decided not to fulfill his potential? Because that's what a refusal is. A deliberate act of NOT doing something.
And what if KJ actually achieved his potential and it's the expectations of others is wrong? Impossible?
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So you don't think KJ presence in the pro-league will give it the profile that it needs. Same as Landon Donavan going back to LA or Tim Howard recent move back to the MLS.
It will get profile for sure. And then what? Players will play quicker? Coaches will improve? Fans will attend games?
Here's what I think will happen...
SOME Trinis will come out to see KJ. And the first chance he misses, they will steupes, cuss him, and call him a shithong.
"He cyah even spannah self? All he good for is to jump high. And look how lazy he is...he eh even trackin back. Daz wha I waste my time doin when I coulda be watchin Messi, Neymar, and Suarez on TV?"
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Palos, it was not meant to be literal, come on now....Doh act like KJ work rate was never an issue, it dog him at nearly every club he was at.
I not doggin d man.....I believed he would of been great and still in d prem no less with consistent application of his gifts....but alas ...........
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So you don't think KJ presence in the pro-league will give it the profile that it needs. Same as Landon Donavan going back to LA or Tim Howard recent move back to the MLS.
It will get profile for sure. And then what? Players will play quicker? Coaches will improve? Fans will attend games?
Here's what I think will happen...
SOME Trinis will come out to see KJ. And the first chance he misses, they will steupes, cuss him, and call him a shithong.
"He cyah even spannah self? All he good for is to jump high. And look how lazy he is...he eh even trackin back. Daz wha I waste my time doin when I coulda be watchin Messi, Neymar, and Suarez on TV?"
Or my favorite quote by a supporter in de savannah "Imagine I leave my wife home in a panty to come and watch this shit"
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:rotfl:
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So you don't think KJ presence in the pro-league will give it the profile that it needs. Same as Landon Donavan going back to LA or Tim Howard recent move back to the MLS.
It will get profile for sure. And then what? Players will play quicker? Coaches will improve? Fans will attend games?
Here's what I think will happen...
SOME Trinis will come out to see KJ. And the first chance he misses, they will steupes, cuss him, and call him a shithong.
"He cyah even spannah self? All he good for is to jump high. And look how lazy he is...he eh even trackin back. Daz wha I waste my time doin when I coulda be watchin Messi, Neymar, and Suarez on TV?"
Or my favorite quote by a supporter in de savannah "Imagine I leave my wife home in a panty to come and watch this shit"
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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KJ possesses some good qualities as a striker, pace, strong in the air, good shot, holds off defenders well, but his poor work rate to help win the ball back and dribbling skills to beat a defender in a 1v1 situation has kept him from elevating his game to another level.
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So you don't think KJ presence in the pro-league will give it the profile that it needs. Same as Landon Donavan going back to LA or Tim Howard recent move back to the MLS.
It will get profile for sure. And then what? Players will play quicker? Coaches will improve? Fans will attend games?
Here's what I think will happen...
SOME Trinis will come out to see KJ. And the first chance he misses, they will steupes, cuss him, and call him a shithong.
"He cyah even spannah self? All he good for is to jump high. And look how lazy he is...he eh even trackin back. Daz wha I waste my time doin when I coulda be watchin Messi, Neymar, and Suarez on TV?"
Or my favorite quote by a supporter in de savannah "Imagine I leave my wife home in a panty to come and watch this shit"
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
tears :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :D
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KJ has been very good for the national side over th past coupke years. I hope he gets something in England again.
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KJ has been very good for the national side over th past coupke years. I hope he gets something in England again.
Or the MLS?
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KJ has been very good for the national side over th past coupke years. I hope he gets something in England again.
Or the MLS?
Would love a T&T player in SJ Earthquakes :P
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Kenwyne is ah f00cking boss !!!!!
Best player we have on de T&T side now, because he bring more to de game than scoring alone, he does pull defenders for man like Joevin and Cato to roam free.
KJ have value.
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He still has 2 years or so of PL/championship football to offer. At 2.5mil pounds market value I don't see why a English club won't pick him up. The guy is still a big threat because of the attention he attracts from the opposition...I hope he doesn't end up in MLS just yet!
Not seeing any transfer rumors online tho...waiting game now!
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KJ has been very good for the national side over th past coupke years. I hope he gets something in England again.
Or the MLS?
Would love a T&T player in SJ Earthquakes :P
Cordell Cato is at San Jose Earthquakes. He is from Trinidad and Tobago.
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KJ's contribution on this TnT team is invaluable. He not only brings goals but also he brings other players into play when the opposition focuses on him. His leadership is immense. Some ah alyuh seem to forget the Mexico Gold Cup game and the win in Guatemala where he displayed the qualities aforementioned. Just criticising for criticising sake. Steups. Mouth open 'tory jump out smdh
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KJ's contribution on this TnT team is invaluable. He not only brings goals but also he brings other players into play when the opposition focuses on him. His leadership is immense. Some ah alyuh seem to forget the Mexico Gold Cup game and the win in Guatemala where he displayed the qualities aforementioned. Just criticising for criticising sake. Steups. Mouth open 'tory jump out smdh
How in f**k saying KJ coulda achieved more with a bit more application is criticism for criticism sake, d man makes his living in club football, his stock fall bad in dat.
Dat year when he put on d set ah muscle at stoke and started bullying defenses, d man look every bit d handful he could and should be, den fall right back into he normal routine...... U feel it was nice too read he own club supporters cussin him and calling him lazy.
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At times when you have nothing positive to say...it's time to keep your trap shut......otherwise you say things somewhere along the lines you wish you could take it back.....
Man I just cannot figure out what some of you want K J to do so that some here will be happy
You can please some people sometimes but not all the jokers and clowns all at the same time
If he walk on water some nit wit here will still not be satisfied
I often wonder how many miles he runs in a game,you see him in the attacking third and in defence,some joker comment he lazy blah blah.... some people here need to get a life
STOP BEING flocking JEALOUS and appreciate what we are fortunate to be bless with...
Thanks ...who Jah bless only the idiot curse
Rastafari
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KJ has been very good for the national side over th past coupke years. I hope he gets something in England again.
Or the MLS?
Would love a T&T player in SJ Earthquakes :P
Cordell Cato is at San Jose Earthquakes. He is from Trinidad and Tobago.
another* T&T player in SJ Earthquakes. :)
Cato is not a starter, he's the 3rd option as RM. Kenwyne would be a starter!
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KJ has been very good for the national side over th past coupke years. I hope he gets something in England again.
Or the MLS?
Would love a T&T player in SJ Earthquakes :P
Cordell Cato is at San Jose Earthquakes. He is from Trinidad and Tobago.
another* T&T player in SJ Earthquakes. :)
Cato is not a starter, he's the 3rd option as RM. Kenwyne would be a starter!
cato fell down the pecking order
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KJ has been very good for the national side over th past coupke years. I hope he gets something in England again.
Or the MLS?
Would love a T&T player in SJ Earthquakes :P
Cordell Cato is at San Jose Earthquakes. He is from Trinidad and Tobago.
another* T&T player in SJ Earthquakes. :)
Cato is not a starter, he's the 3rd option as RM. Kenwyne would be a starter!
cato fell down the pecking order
Yeah. When MPG started playing as RM, Cato became a sub. And now we signed Quintero (another RM/LM) and Cato became the 3rd option...
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At times when you have nothing positive to say...it's time to keep your trap shut......otherwise you say things somewhere along the lines you wish you could take it back.....
Man I just cannot figure out what some of you want K J to do so that some here will be happy
You can please some people sometimes but not all the jokers and clowns all at the same time
If he walk on water some nit wit here will still not be satisfied
I often wonder how many miles he runs in a game,you see him in the attacking third and in defence,some joker comment he lazy blah blah.... some people here need to get a life
STOP BEING flocking JEALOUS and appreciate what we are fortunate to be bless with...
Thanks ...who Jah bless only the idiot curse
Rastafari
People often confuse expectations, projections, and potential. KJ reached HIS potential. It just so happens that his ceiling wasn't what many projections determined his potential could/should be. Along with the projections came expectations that weren't met. As such people will lament on what he could have been. KJ is what he is. A defender converted to utility player then ultimately to a center forward. If people measure him by others or what they feel he should have been they will be disappointed. However, if they elect as I often do to simply appreciate what a player offers then there would be no need for some of the scathing criticisms he's received along the way. KJ has come a long way for us. Once he was one of the most often criticized for his performances, now he seems to be the most important piece. He scores, he occupies defenders, he inspires, he encourages, he is vocal, he is steady, and he wears our colors proudly!
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At times when you have nothing positive to say...it's time to keep your trap shut......otherwise you say things somewhere along the lines you wish you could take it back.....
Man I just cannot figure out what some of you want K J to do so that some here will be happy
You can please some people sometimes but not all the jokers and clowns all at the same time
If he walk on water some nit wit here will still not be satisfied
I often wonder how many miles he runs in a game,you see him in the attacking third and in defence,some joker comment he lazy blah blah.... some people here need to get a life
STOP BEING flocking JEALOUS and appreciate what we are fortunate to be bless with...
Thanks ...who Jah bless only the idiot curse
Rastafari
People often confuse expectations, projections, and potential. KJ reached HIS potential. It just so happens that his ceiling wasn't what many projections determined his potential could/should be. Along with the projections came expectations that weren't met. As such people will lament on what he could have been. KJ is what he is. A defender converted to utility player then ultimately to a center forward. If people measure him by others or what they feel he should have been they will be disappointed. However, if they elect as I often do to simply appreciate what a player offers then there would be no need for some of the scathing criticisms he's received along the way. KJ has come a long way for us. Once he was one of the most often criticized for his performances, now he seems to be the most important piece. He scores, he occupies defenders, he inspires, he encourages, he is vocal, he is steady, and he wears our colors proudly!
I believe some of this is caused by the differences in what KJ showed in his time at Sunderland and the way he played at Stoke. At Sunderland, he was using his speed to hustle and harass defenders into making mistakes and then taking advantage of the resulting opportunities. Somewhere along the line, he stopped doing that, or doing it as much and I believe that's when the "lazy" label surfaced. I seem to remember there being arguments on this board as to whether this change was as a result of him playing to instruction or whether something was up with KJ. With the national team, I find his play, leadership and general application has improved since SH took over as head coach and I would agree that now he is probably the most important piece.
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At times when you have nothing positive to say...it's time to keep your trap shut......otherwise you say things somewhere along the lines you wish you could take it back.....
Man I just cannot figure out what some of you want K J to do so that some here will be happy
You can please some people sometimes but not all the jokers and clowns all at the same time
If he walk on water some nit wit here will still not be satisfied
I often wonder how many miles he runs in a game,you see him in the attacking third and in defence,some joker comment he lazy blah blah.... some people here need to get a life
STOP BEING flocking JEALOUS and appreciate what we are fortunate to be bless with...
Thanks ...who Jah bless only the idiot curse
Rastafari
People often confuse expectations, projections, and potential. KJ reached HIS potential. It just so happens that his ceiling wasn't what many projections determined his potential could/should be. Along with the projections came expectations that weren't met. As such people will lament on what he could have been. KJ is what he is. A defender converted to utility player then ultimately to a center forward. If people measure him by others or what they feel he should have been they will be disappointed. However, if they elect as I often do to simply appreciate what a player offers then there would be no need for some of the scathing criticisms he's received along the way. KJ has come a long way for us. Once he was one of the most often criticized for his performances, now he seems to be the most important piece. He scores, he occupies defenders, he inspires, he encourages, he is vocal, he is steady, and he wears our colors proudly!
I believe some of this is caused by the differences in what KJ showed in his time at Sunderland and the way he played at Stoke. At Sunderland, he was using his speed to hustle and harass defenders into making mistakes and then taking advantage of the resulting opportunities. Somewhere along the line, he stopped doing that, or doing it as much and I believe that's when the "lazy" label surfaced. I seem to remember there being arguments on this board as to whether this change was as a result of him playing to instruction or whether something was up with KJ. With the national team, I find his play, leadership and general application has improved since SH took over as head coach and I would agree that now he is probably the most important piece.
I think that injury he suffered while with the Warriors took its toll. He may own up to it when his career is all over.
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At times when you have nothing positive to say...it's time to keep your trap shut......otherwise you say things somewhere along the lines you wish you could take it back.....
Man I just cannot figure out what some of you want K J to do so that some here will be happy
You can please some people sometimes but not all the jokers and clowns all at the same time
If he walk on water some nit wit here will still not be satisfied
I often wonder how many miles he runs in a game,you see him in the attacking third and in defence,some joker comment he lazy blah blah.... some people here need to get a life
STOP BEING flocking JEALOUS and appreciate what we are fortunate to be bless with...
Thanks ...who Jah bless only the idiot curse
Rastafari
People often confuse expectations, projections, and potential. KJ reached HIS potential. It just so happens that his ceiling wasn't what many projections determined his potential could/should be. Along with the projections came expectations that weren't met. As such people will lament on what he could have been. KJ is what he is. A defender converted to utility player then ultimately to a center forward. If people measure him by others or what they feel he should have been they will be disappointed. However, if they elect as I often do to simply appreciate what a player offers then there would be no need for some of the scathing criticisms he's received along the way. KJ has come a long way for us. Once he was one of the most often criticized for his performances, now he seems to be the most important piece. He scores, he occupies defenders, he inspires, he encourages, he is vocal, he is steady, and he wears our colors proudly!
I believe some of this is caused by the differences in what KJ showed in his time at Sunderland and the way he played at Stoke. At Sunderland, he was using his speed to hustle and harass defenders into making mistakes and then taking advantage of the resulting opportunities. Somewhere along the line, he stopped doing that, or doing it as much and I believe that's when the "lazy" label surfaced. I seem to remember there being arguments on this board as to whether this change was as a result of him playing to instruction or whether something was up with KJ. With the national team, I find his play, leadership and general application has improved since SH took over as head coach and I would agree that now he is probably the most important piece.
I think that injury he suffered while with the Warriors took its toll. He may own up to it when his career is all over.
That may well be the case. I was considering that as a possibility but I couldn't remember the timeline.
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That may well be the case. I was considering that as a possibility but I couldn't remember the timeline.
He suffered that injury in the friendly against England in June 2008.
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Any news about his future?
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http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2016/07/03/armchair-analyst-transfer-window-instructions-all-20-mls-teams
FC Dallas
Currently: 2nd place in the West (9-5-4; 31 points)
DP slots open: None
Biggest need: Target forward
All due respect to the Rapids, but I still think Dallas are the most talented and best team in the league. They've proved they have depth and flexibility, and in Mauro Diaz they have one of the league's best playmakers.
What they don't have is a center forward who can take advantage of the chances Diaz creates, nor hold up the ball and do a little bit of playmaking as well. Technical director Fernando Clavijo says the team's determined to rectify that in the next couple of weeks, and I'll take him at his word.
What I think they should do: Use TAM to pay down one of their DPs and go after Trinidad & Tobago striker Kenwyne Jones, who's currently out of contract. Jones isn't the world's most clinical finisher, but he's damn good and, at age 31, still has gas in the tank. Plus he knows the ways of CONCACAF, so there won't be any weather – or travel-related adjustments.
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He would fit perfectly on FC Dallas. Dallas and New York Red Bulls are the best in MLS in my opinion, their teams are VERY organized. They could easily play on the Brazilian League, Ligue 1 and some other good leagues.
Dallas is currently playing in a 4-2-3-1, with 2 quality wingers (Castillo and Barrios) and an AMAZING playmaker, Mauro Díaz. Kenwyne Jones would fit perfectly as a target forward for the team.
But I want him on SJ Earthquakes :P He would be a really good partner for Chris Wondolowski too. There were rumours last summer that SJ tried to sign him. Let's see!
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Is it just me or is anyone else a bit nervous that KJ hasn't signed for a new club yet. Given the next round of qualifiers in September he needs a full pre season to get sharp for those two games. Cant leave anything to chance. Hope he lands somewhere soon.
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There are a LOT of teams in Leagues worldwide that would love to have KJ on their team.
But they'll all balk at his wages.
It is concerning though because Coach Hart has made it clear that players who aren't playing regularly will have a tough time making the national team.
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There are a LOT of teams in Leagues worldwide that would love to have KJ on their team.
But they'll all balk at his wages.
It is concerning though because Coach Hart has made it clear that players who aren't playing regularly will have a tough time making the national team.
If i was his agent and the market aint paying his price i would have advised him to take a cut price 1 year deal with the best possible club team and use it as a shopping window, he will also play 12 WC qualifying games over the next 14 months with the world watching every hex qualifier.
Again i encourage him to get a deal before the end of this month, 4 weeks to get fit for September. The last batch of friendlies showed that we short upfront but he also not entitled to any starting spot, captain or not. Hoping for the best.
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He could comeback home and play for Rangers!
Wow, I never read the article before I said he should come back home. I guess I have good "goat mouth". Now Central will get 10 thousand fans per game.
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Steven Goff, reliable source, said Kenwyne is close to deal with 2017 MLS expansion side Atlanta United. Would go on loan until 2017 perhaps in T&T.
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Yes i saw a report online that says he has joined Central for their champions league campaign. I guess they got their financial situation sorted out.
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Atlanta United close to signing Kenwyne Jones
By Rob Usry (dirtysouthsoccer.com)
Atlanta United could be bringing on a proven CONCACAF striker. Steven Goff of the Washington Post is reporting that Trinidad and Tobago legend Kenwyne Jones is close to signing with Atlanta and go out on loan until 2017, likely to his home country.
Jones, 31, is a Premier League veteran who has scored tons of goals both at the club and international levels. He made his name Sunderland in his prime, scoring 26 times in 94 appearances. He has found the net 23 times for the T&T national team.
For the past two seasons he's spent time on loan with Bournemouth and Al Jazira from Cardiff City. He was released by the club this summer which means he's free to sign with whomever he chooses. It appears as it Atlanta United could be his choice.
He will be the sixth players to join the brand new expansion team that will begin play in 2017.
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Kenwyne Jones added to Central FC's CONCACAF Champions League roster in anticipation of loan
By Rob Usry (dirtysouthsoccer.com)
Trinidad and Tobago international Kenwyne Jones appears to be headed to Atlanta United in January, but before he does he'll likely be going on loan to Central FC in T&T.
Although the deal is not finalized, the T&T club told Dirty South Soccer that Jones had been added to their provisional roster for the CONCACAF Champions League, confirming a tweet send out. He will be using the loan to remain match fit ahead of his rumored arrival in MLS in January. He also needs the playing time to prepare for T&T's World Cup qualifiers in September against the United States and Guatemala.
Central added to DSS that they anticipated the striker would end up at Atlanta United, but could not fully confirm the recent reports of his January arrival.
The Washington Post reported on Wednesday that Jones was close to finalizing his move to Atlanta United and would go on loan to a club in Trinidad and Tobago. This appears to be that move.
Central FC begin their CCL campaign against the Vancouver Whitecaps on August 2. They are also joined in their three-team group by Sporting Kansas City.
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Atlanta United close to signing Kenwyne Jones
By Rob Usry (dirtysouthsoccer.com)
Atlanta United could be bringing on a proven CONCACAF striker. Steven Goff of the Washington Post is reporting that Trinidad and Tobago legend Kenwyne Jones is close to signing with Atlanta and go out on loan until 2017, likely to his home country.
Jones, 31, is a Premier League veteran who has scored tons of goals both at the club and international levels. He made his name Sunderland in his prime, scoring 26 times in 94 appearances. He has found the net 23 times for the T&T national team.
For the past two seasons he's spent time on loan with Bournemouth and Al Jazira from Cardiff City. He was released by the club this summer which means he's free to sign with whomever he chooses. It appears as it Atlanta United could be his choice.
He will be the sixth players to join the brand new expansion team that will begin play in 2017.
Yuh beat me by one minute, ah was coming with this post earlier
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Wish him well going forward
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Kenwyne Jones in Central F.C.’s provisional squad for Whitecaps match.
Central FC News Release.
Two times Caribbean Club Champions, Central F.C., continued their preparations for their Scotiabank CONCACAF Champions League fixture against Vancouver Whitecaps on 2nd August, by including T&T national team captain, Kenwyne Jones in their provisional 30 man squad.
Only players listed on the 30 man list will be eligible to play in the game, which is the opening fixture of the 2016/17 Scotiabank CONCACAF Champions League, and will be televised globally via Fox Soccer 2 and Univision, as well as being available via live stream.
Jones name was one of several new names to appear on the roster of the two times Caribbean Club Champions, although the club have retained the majority of their record breaking “double double”
winning team who claimed successive domestic and regional titles when they won back to back Digicel TT Pro League and CFU Caribbean Club Championship titles in 2015 & 2016.
Central F.C. will compete in Group C, against two MLS clubs, Sporting Kansas City and Vancouver Whitecaps.
Whitecaps are the first Canadian club to qualify for SCCL in two successive years, and will be the first Canadian club to face “The Sharks”
Whitecaps will be expected to be followed on the long trip from Canada by their famous scarf waving supporters.
Meanwhile, Central F.C.’s players have been enduring double training sessions in their race to be fit for the big game on August 2nd. Aside from the usual football drills, the players have engaged in core strengthening and balance work with Gerard Alfonso of ASF located in the Long Circular Mall gym.
Alfonso has devised a special programme for The Sharks to ensure that they will play at maximum intensity for the full 90 minutes against Vancouver.
“The players have responded very well to Gerard in the gym” said Head Coach Dale Saunders “and they have worked extremely hard with Stern John and myself on the training field”
Central F.C. is currently searching for a sponsor for the coveted spot on the front of the jersey, as well as being in discussions with a major French club and a top MLS outfit, who are looking to partner with the Caribbean champions.
Match tickets will go on sale from Tuesday 19th July at Irie Elephant, Maraval and Bankers Insurance offices in St James and Chaguanas. Covered stand tickets will retail at TT$60 while tickets for the uncovered stand will be on sale at $40. Tickets will also be available for the Sporting Kansas City match on August 16th, Alongside a major radio advertising campaign, information will also be available on the clubs facebook pages; central fc fan club and central fc the sharks.
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my gosh he back in the pro league ?????
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my gosh he back in the pro league ?????
Back in the pro league in truth?!?!
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I guess China was not on the table.
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I'm kinda disappointed he didn't stay in England for another 2 years or so
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I'm kinda disappointed he didn't stay in England for another 2 years or so
And ride pine? !!! Now TT have the opportunity to go and support Central. One of TT best ever strikers playing locally. lets see all them bandwagon mouthers full up the stadiums
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Isn't he like the third Trini baller to fall completely out of favour with English football, seem to remember others having to find work outside of england in the past few years
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You all focused on everything but ... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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You all focused on everything but ... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$ will come if Trinis go and see Central play.
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You all focused on everything but ... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
in the pro league???? ... he was making about 35,000 pounds per week in the UK..central dont even have a sponsor joke thing this
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You all focused on everything but ... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
in the pro league???? ... he was making about 35,000 pounds per week in the UK..central dont even have a sponsor joke thing this
I follow a club in Argentina named San Lorenzo. San Lorenzo has/had a young baller named Héctor Villalba who was no longer figuring in the club's plans, but is a player well-liked at the club. Guess where Héctor heading? He is signed by ATL, but will be loaned to Tijuana for the LigaMX apertura.
A question that comes to mind is: how is/ where is Villalba's salary being sourced? Entirely by Xolos? ;)
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Let's hold our horses.
My understanding is......KJ has been added to the 30 man roster for the CONCACAF Champions League tournament
He has NOT been signed by Central FC
They are of course INTERESTED in signing him for the tournament and under the right "circumstances" will do just that.
A few important things have to fall into place first for it to happen.
So don't be too excited.....YET...
REPEAT.....KJ has been ADDED TO THE ROSTER so that he can be eligible for the tournament. They could technically also add Michael Carrick (another free agent) if they wanted. Of course they would have to have some sort of agreement with him about that.
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my gosh he back in the pro league ?????
More like a hired gun, who will get to practice his aim and keep his shooting foot tuned..except it never easy, when the targets moving and tackling yuh arse. ;D
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Atlanta United signs striker Kenwyne Jones
atlutd.com
Atlanta United today announced the signing of 31-year-old striker Kenwyne Jones. Jones comes to Atlanta after spending the majority of his career in the English Premier League and Championship, including time at Southampton, Sunderland, Stoke City and Cardiff City.
Jones is a strong striker and prolific goal scorer with 23 goals in 81 career appearances for his country. He scored over 100 total goals during his professional club career including 40 Premier League goals.
“Kenwyne is a player we have known about and watched for a long time,” said Atlanta United technical director Carlos Bocanegra. “He is a big physical forward who can punish you in the air or behind the defense. We’re very happy that the timing worked out and we were able to acquire him during this transfer window.”
Jones, a native of Trinidad and Tobago, began his professional career in 2002 with T & T clubs Joe Public and W Connection. In 2004, he signed with Premier League club Southampton before going on loan to Championship side Stoke City in 2005 where he made 13 appearances and scored three goals. He made 80 appearances for Southampton scoring 22 goals.
Jones moved to Premier League side Sunderland in 2007 where he was an offensive force scoring 32 times in 107 appearances for the club and was named Player of the Season in 2007. He returned to Stoke City in 2010 on a four-year-deal playing for the squad in its runners-up finish in the 2010 – 2011 FA Cup. In 2014 Jones joined Cardiff City where he was a fan favorite and the top scorer for the 2015 season. Jones has had recent loan spells at AFC Bournemouth and Al Jazira in United Arab Emirates.
Long time captain of the Trinidad and Tobago national team, Jones has been capped at U-18, U-20 and U-23 Olympic team. He represented T & T in the 2006 World Cup and was named Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation’s Player of the Year in 2007.
Bocanegra played against Jones many times in his career and is familiar with his playing style.
“Kenwyne is a well-known player in the region, with top level production and experience in England and for the Trinidad and Tobago National Team,” said Bocanegra. “He is an absolute handful for defenders.”
Jones will join Atlanta United on August 1 and will go out on loan until January.
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Kenwyne Jones officially joins ranks of Central F.C.
Kenwyne Jones Media
After months of speculation and 14 years on the international football circuit, Trinidad and Tobago's Kenwyne Jones will finally be returning to the playing field at home.
The star striker will officially join the ranks of Central F.C. on loan from August 1 2016 until the end of December 2016. "I'm quite happy to be heading to Central F.C., of course," says Jones of his signing. "I'll be back home playing football again; I haven't done so for a number of years and I'm excited to be back in the mix." Jones recently made waves in international media headlines when it was announced that he would be making his debut in the Major League Soccer arena with expansion team Atlanta United F.C. in 2017. The move was a welcomed one for many fans, including global superstar rapper, actor and Atlanta native, Chrisopher "Ludacris" Bridges, who welcomed Jones with a tweet that has since gone viral on social media.
Speaking on Central F.C.'s current standing as two-time Caribbean Club and TT Pro League Champions, Jones said, "Definitely, Central's position at the top is a great place to be; they have been playing some quality football and just looking at the league in general, it feels good to be a product of that standard of football." Jones looks forward to the prospect of being even more involved in national games, indicating that "(...) of course we have the two World Cup Qualifiers and upcoming Caribbean Cup rounds in October - this makes it the best move. It's a good moment to be home, a good moment to be closely involved in matches between now and December, and it's a good transitioning stage for me before I go off to the new venture in Atlanta."
The signing, seen by Chief Executive Officer of Central F.C. Brent Sancho and other officials as the biggest one in history for the Trinidad and Tobago Pro League, comes as the club heavily prepares to face off against Vancouver Whitecaps next month at the Ato Boldon Stadium.
Kenwyne will make his debut with The Sharks when the Canadians visit for the first game of the Scotiabank CONCACAF Champions League on August 2.
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Ah wonder how much Sancho paying for his services? I know about being match fit etc. I'm sure he clda get a sweat a lot of other places too
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Big up to de skipper. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Kenwyne Jones: Atlanta United are making history and I want to be part of it
By Bob Williams (The Telegraph)
Atlanta United, the MLS expansion side who will join the league in 2017, now have seven players in their squad but by far the biggest-name signing so far is striker Kenwyne Jones.
The Trinidad and Tobago international - who spent much of his career in the Premier League with the likes of Sunderland and Stoke - caused a media stir when it was announced he was joining two weeks ago.
So much so that the rapper Ludacris, who hails from the city, gave the 31-year-old a warm welcome on Twitter.
Ahead of his arrival in Atlanta this week, Jones took time to answer some questions from The Telegraph about his imminent move.
Q How did the move to Atlanta United come about?
A Well it was pretty much going through various familiar channels of people in my network who know officials in Atlanta, who worked with my agents, reps and my camp in general.
Q How did the club sell themselves to you? Did you visit them? What did they say their plans were?
A It was all about the plans of the club. Most importantly though, it was about mutual respect that showed throughout the process, it was impressive.
Carlos [Bocanegra] and the admin knew what they wanted, my camp and I knew what I was looking for, so the interest of them wanting me and me going there sort of felt like a natural progression.
Q Have you always wanted to play in MLS?
A At some points in my career, yeah I thought about it. The MLS interest has always been there, especially as a member of the CONCACAF region.
Q Did you have other options? If yes, why did you pick Atlanta?
A I had quite a few other options, yes. But at this stage of my career it would mean a lot to be a part of something new. There’s history being made here; it’s a new era of football for Atlanta and the MLS, and I want to be a part of that. Also, being closer to home [Trinidad and Tobago] is a big plus.
Q What do you think will be the biggest challenges - plane travel, turf, being on a brand new team etc?
A I don’t think I need to worry about big challenges, because over the last 14 years in my career, I’ve honestly seen, experienced and learned a lot.
Plane travel, I’ve done it all – from Trinidad to Dubai. Climate, I’ve dealt with it all as a Caribbean footballer in different continents. New team dynamics, I’ve worked with and learned from the best talents and administrations in Premier and Championship leagues.
Being a new franchise, there will be challenges, it’s a part of the growth process. I’m really confident in the people at the top of the administrative side of AUFC – they are all football people with lots of experience both on and off the field. It’s definitely a journey that I’m looking forward to.
Q You must have been pleased with the reaction online - lots of tweets etc...
A Yeah definitely, I’m always glad to talk to fans and just generally getting the chance to see so many people passionate in the moment about me coming, and supporting the club and the MLS as a whole on this new expansion adventure.
Q You even got a tweet from the rapper Ludacris - do you know each other?
A I guess we know each other now! I’ve always been a fan of his music and his love for his home city. He and the entire AUFC family are looking forward to welcoming me and my family to Atlanta soon, and yeah I’m ready to hit that Georgia flow.
Q How important is your upcoming loan spell at Central FC before your move to Atlanta?
A As captain of the T&T team, being in shape for national duties is really important, with World Cup qualifiers still ongoing. I’ll be working hard to remain active and be in top form.
Q Does the fact that you are going to MLS aged 31 - and not 35 - show that the league is becoming more attractive place for players?
A I guess it can give an indication to all sorts of people. Everyone has an idea on when they think they’re ready to be a part of something.
For me, quality will always be key, and it’s a good time for me to be going to Atlanta United to help improve the league and set the franchise on a historic journey, play at the highest level and always give 100 per cent to the club, the fans and the sport.
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Q How important is your upcoming loan spell at Central FC before your move to Atlanta?
A As captain of the T&T team, being in shape for national duties is really important, with World Cup qualifiers still ongoing. I’ll be working hard to remain active and be in top form.
Got to admire KJ's diplomacy here.
Nowhere did he say he playing for Central FC yet managed to "defuse" the question.
Impressive
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I would hazard a guess that ATL United probably paying part of his wages during the loan spell to ensure they secured his services during the transfer window before other clubs did.
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Best Of Luck Captain!
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Guess i will be seeing Jones live when Atlanta United bows into action in the 2017 MLS season...they will be playing in the brand new Mercedes Benz stadium, which i hear will be one of if not the best general purpose stadium in the US when it opens. Hope they can assemble a good team.
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Personal experience fueled Carlos Bocanegra's pursuit of Kenwyne Jones
By Payson Schwin (mlssoccer.com)
It wasn't that long ago that Atlanta United technical director Carlos Bocanegra was a player himself, giving him a personal, up-close knowledge of many of the players he is currently considering acquiring for the MLS expansion club which starts play in 2017.
In a career that spanned the end of the 2014 MLS season, Bocanegra played against hundreds of players both on the international stage with the US national team and on the club level in England, France, Spain, Scotland, and MLS. One of those was Kenwyne Jones, the veteran Premier League striker and Trinidad & Tobago international who signed on with Atlanta United last month.
While Bocanegra admits that Jones is a “well-known guy in CONCACAF circles” and that “everybody knows about him over here,” few MLS personnel executives can say they’ve actually played against Jones at the highest levels.
Bocanegra knows the T&T captain better than most because the two have faced off on at least four occasions: three times during World Cup qualifiers – in February 2005, April 2009, and September 2009 – and once in the English Premier League.
Bocanegra and the rest of the U.S. backline kept Jones scoreless in the three international matches, all of which ended in victories for the USA. (None of Jones' 23 international goals have come against the US, though that could change when T&T face the Americans in Jacksonville in September.)
However, Jones scored against Bocanegra's team in their Premier League match on October 27, 2007, a 1-1 draw between Fulham and Sunderland.
While Bocanegra said he doesn’t recall specific details of his individual on-field matchups with Jones, he does know Jones’ size and strength made an impression.
“What I do remember about him is that he’s a big, physical guy. And I remember his elbows were right around my chin and nose area, which you don’t like as a defender too much,” Bocanegra said.
“He’s a tough guy and I do recall for his size he has good pace, and obviously you see the power.”
Bocanegra said that while technical ability isn't Jones’ greatest asset, his speed and athleticism are first-rate.
“Sometimes he can be unconventional as far as – not in a bad way, but maybe his first touch is not fantastic every time,” Bocanegra conceded. “But he’s strong enough that he can power through you, almost. It’s not pretty, necessarily, but it’s effective.
“For a defender, that’s difficult to deal with,” added Bocanegra. “You’re not actually sure each time how he’s going to try and hurt you.”
Jones’ on-the-field strengths come through in another way, too.
“You notice it in his game,” said Bocanegra, “but even in a silly thing like his goal celebration, the back flips he’s doing. It’s a funny thing to say, but the athleticism shows with that as well.”
Bocanegra and Jones share a common bond, not just as experienced professionals, but also as long-time leaders of their respective national teams.
“He’s the captain of his country, which is fantastic,” said Bocanegra, who served as captain of the US national team. “He’s got that veteran experience. He’s been in a bunch of different dressing rooms, so he knows how to manage those.”
Bocanegra said Atlanta United were impressed by Jones’ character, both on and off the field, which they hope can help instill a positive, team-oriented culture at the club.
“That’s something we look at, 100 percent,” Bocanegra said. “Is he a good guy? Is he going to fit in our locker room? Is he potentially going to help our younger strikers around him? Is he a team guy or is he in it only for himself? Those are all the things we look at when we’re trying to build a team because we have to build a culture as well.”
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Kenwyne Jones completes transfer to Central FC
Central FC Media
T&T national team captain, Kenwyne Jones recently signed for new MLS club Atlanta United and immediately agreed to join Central F.C. on loan. He will be in the starting line up vs Kansas City, possibly teaming up with Centrals other new signing, Carlos Edwards. Central F.C. Media met up with Kenwyne to discuss his reasons for this decision.
CFC: Kenwyne, many people may have been surprised by your choice of clubs. Can you tell us why you chose to join Atlanta United?
KJ: I think I just wanted a fresh challenge. Playing in England was great, but after so many years I thought it would be good to use my experience to build something new. Atlanta have great plans and I love the city. Joining Atlanta gave me the chance to influence football in that city and help to build their brand. It's a very exciting opportunity.
CFC: But why accept a loan to Central F.C.?
KJ: I had received interest from various clubs around the world including England. But there were several factors that, combined, made Central the right choice for me. First, I wanted to be closer to the national team with the World Cup qualifiers approaching. Being based in T&T will give me a lot more access to Stephen Hart without the pressure from foreign clubs not wanting to allow you to leave too early. Also, the journey does effect your performance.
Secondly, I wanted the chance to play Champions League football. While we all know that UEFA Champions League is the premier club tournament, the SCCL is growing year by year. Having never played MLS football, this gives me the chance to play a few games against MLS opponents to prepare myself for the upcoming season. Its a great opportunity for me to introduce myself to the MLS public and hopefully increase the interest in Atlanta United.
Of course, another reason is that it's great to be at home for a few months. I've been overseas for more than 10 years so it feels great to live and play at home for a while. Brent , Stern and Dale are former team mates and that's a formidable combination for a Pro League club. Their results speak for themselves. I am proud to be playing with the Caribbean champions and I've loved training with the guys, many of whom I know from the national team.
CFC: Do you think the standard of the Pro League is beneath your ability?
KJ: Well, first off, one man doesn't make a team. You only get from every game what you put in. I approach training and games just the same whether Pro League or EPL. Of course, some teams will be better than others, but generally you have to look at your own performance first. I think the Pro League is unfairly criticised. Pro League teams record in the Caribbean Club Championships shows that the top Pro League teams have quality. The step up to becoming real challengers in the Champions League requires much more than the clubs can provide. I'm very disappointed at seeing the low level of support at games. Football is our number one sport yet people prefer to sit in a bar watching Barcelona. Obviously, we're all interested in watching the worlds top teams, but football supporting is about participation. You need to attend games and influence the outcome. I was amazed at the Vancouver game to see 1,500 people behave like they were in a library! There was no buzz. The crowd only reacted when Central made a bad pass or lost the ball. In England, supporters – men, women and children – will turn up at our stadium to shovel snow off the pitch so the game can play. They don't get paid, they just love their team and want to help. Local supporters need to get involved more. Once we can improve attendances, TV will want to cover the games. That, in turn, will help to finance clubs and attract sponsors. While clubs, and the league, have their part to play, the football public must also step up.
CFC: Do you see the Pro League as important to our national football development?
KJ: Of course. Look at how many of our national players began with Pro League clubs. The professional league gave me my start. Many Caribbean countries would love a professional league. We just don't appreciate it enough. You need to be training and playing 24/7 to make the grade. You can't do this properly if you have to go to work and train later. Also, the league gives you access to the CFU and CONCACAF football, which is great experience and helps player development.
CFC: Do you think that you will help increase interest in the Pro League?
KJ: Without wanting to sound arrogant, yes I do believe there will be more interest. I also think that it will help to spread the Pro League brand overseas. I'd really like to think that I can help to develop the league by attracting more spectators and sponsors. In the end, I owe my career to the start I received in this league so I'd like to influence a change in how Trinis relate to the league.
CFC: Do you think Central are able to compete with the likes of Vancouver and Kansas City?
KJ: After training with the lads, I could see that lack of match fitness was an issue against Whitecaps. They were totally beatable and had they played Central last May, Central would have won that game. I was also impressed with Sean de Silva who played despite suffering from Zika. That kind of determination impresses me and I believe we can get a result against Kansas and get some points on the road. I expect Kansas to take 4 points from Whitecaps so we need to win two games out of the three remaining games. Once we get some decent practice games under our belts, I'm confident we can turn in a top performance.
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Kenwyne Jones ready for SCCL as Central FC prepares for Sporting KC
CONCACAF.com
Central FC faces a critical Scotiabank CONCACAF Champions League showdown with visiting Group C rival Sporting Kansas City at Ato Boldon Stadium on Tuesday.
And the current Caribbean champion do so with a massive reinforcement.
The Sharks announced that Trinidad & Tobago international forward Kenwyne Jones – a long-time standout in the English Premier League -- has joined the club on loan from Major League Soccer expansion side Atlanta United and is available for selection.
“This guy is not here as a marquee player for promotional purposes. He is part of the squad and will be treated the same,” Central FC head coach Dale Saunders said. “Kenwyne will add quality, composure and leadership to the team and he will be a key to Central winning their Champions League group.”
Central opened the competition with a 1-0 home loss to the Vancouver Whitecaps on August 2. Saunders insists the difference was that Vancouver is in the middle of its season and his side is still in preseason.
“We were never outclassed,” remarked Saunders. “But we stepped up where we should have and that’s purely down to match fitness.”
With road matches against Vancouver and Sporting on the horizon, Saunders understands that a win is crucial for Central’s hopes of advancing out of the group.
“It’s simple,” he expressed. “We have to win this game and get four points on the road to qualify. Whitecaps took advantage of our lack of match fitness, but we’ve played several Pro League clubs this week and will be better prepared. With Kenwyne in the squad, I’ll have more options. Both Vancouver and Kansas are totally beatable and I’m confident that we will win on Tuesday.”
Sporting Kansas City makes its 2016/17 SCCL debut after playing host FC Dallas to a 2-2 draw on Saturday as forward Dominic Dwyer struck for a brace, giving him a team-best 12 goals.
“Wins are important anywhere you are, but everybody else has to play their games as well,” Sporting Kansas City coach Peter Vermes said after the match. “Points at the end of the season every year go all over the place. We just have to keep trying to grind out as many points as we can with each game.”
Vermes is hoping to build off that performance heading into Tuesday night’s clash with Central.
“I think if a few things in this league go your way, it’s amazing how fast things can turn in your favor,” Vermes said. “So the good thing is we’re still plugging away and fighting game after game, and you see that in the way our players play. That’s the positive thing on my side.”
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Is this game tonight?
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Is this game tonight?
Yes
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Is this game tonight?
Yes
Too much Olimpic!!!!
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Game about to start on Univision if you have it. KJ starting, Cummings on de bench
Edit: just missed a relative sitter
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Not even KJ can pulla crowd
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Trinidadians & toboggans just don't like to support unless the team is winning and playing beautiful football to their likes.
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Score?
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Score?
2-2. KJ scored CFC's second in the 56'. Marcus Joseph scored a couple minutes before. KJ's goal made it 2-1.
These three goals occurred in a 5 minute span. SKC equalized at 70'.
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Why Kenwyne Jones will thrive in MLS
By Rob Usry (dirtysouthsoccer.com)
I've been a Kenwyne Jones fan for a long time. I've seen him terrorize CONCACAF at the international level for years. I remember when his Sunderland teams were challenging for Europe. He's been a quality striker at every level and every stop of his career. After watching his debut for Central FC, I'm ready to confidently say that his tenure with Atlanta United will be no different.
That’s not much of a bold prediction considering his track record, but I’ll take it a step further. He's not only going to be a quality striker, he's going to dominate MLS.
You’re probably thinking to yourself, “Well Rob, you're an Atlanta United supporter, of course you'd think that.” — While that's certainly true, I don't make that claim lightly.
Jones’ performance in his debut against Sporting KC alleviated any concern that he's somehow lost a step or regressed as a player. In his first match in months and probably at only 75 percent fit, he was the best player on the field by a long shot. As a target man, Jones held the ball up for his teammates superbly. It only took him five minutes to find his first great chance at finding net. After receiving a pass, he squeezed by a defender to go in clean on goal. Unfortunately his weak footed shot was mishit.
In the second half he made his presence known. His perfect chest down of a long ball and eventual through ball to a teammate led to Central’s equalizing goal. He wasn’t credited with an assist, but that goal never happens without his piece of skill.
Soon after, he scored his goal. The play started with him collecting a pass at midfield on the counterattack, finding his teammate, then making an overlapping run into space. He took the return pass in stride at a tough angle, lined up a right footed shot and slammed it past the SKC keeper at the near post. It was a confident finish of a proven goal scorer, despite it being his first match in a while.
CONCACAF is a tough region to master and MLS is no different. Kenwyne Jones has succeeded at the international level here and this match proves he’ll have no problem replicating that at the club level.
When looking specifically at MLS, strikers like Jones often succeed. Big target men with a prolific goal scoring history usually have no problem producing in this league. Players like Didier Drogba, Kei Kamara, and Jozy Altidore come to mind when thinking of comparisons for him. All three, when healthy, are dominant forces in MLS. Defenses in this league just aren't capable of combating a competent target striker who can hold the ball up and get on the end of chances.
Atlanta United have already begun surrounding Jones with quality players. More will follow once the offseason begins. When we get a clearer picture of what the team’s roster will look like, we can make more specific predictions about production. As we stand now, I'm fairly confident that Jones will be a dominant striker in MLS as long as he stays healthy and hungry to succeed.
I was thrilled when Jones signed with Atlanta, but there's always doubt about players coming into MLS and producing. After seeing him shine against MLS competition in his first match on loan, I believe he'll be exactly the type of striker to set the league on fire in 2017 and beyond.
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wow.Lot's of praise there. But 1st, I wish him luck and confidence against Guatemala and USA.
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I saw the same thing last night. If KJ's performance last night against Sporting Kansas City is any indication of things to come in his MLS tenure, he will certainly cause problems for defenders. And when he attracts an inordinate amount of attention from defenders, his striking teammates will have opportunity to punish them.
Thank God Hart understands KJ's influence and significance to the NT
Good Stuff
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I saw the same thing last night. If KJ's performance last night against Sporting Kansas City is any indication of things to come in his MLS tenure, he will certainly cause problems for defenders. And when he attracts an inordinate amount of attention from defenders, his striking teammates will have opportunity to punish them.
Thank God Hart understands KJ's influence and significance to the NT
Good Stuff
:cheers:
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I saw the same thing last night. If KJ's performance last night against Sporting Kansas City is any indication of things to come in his MLS tenure, he will certainly cause problems for defenders. And when he attracts an inordinate amount of attention from defenders, his striking teammates will have opportunity to punish them.
Thank God Hart understands KJ's influence and significance to the NT
Good Stuff
Not sure about that part. I believe most MLS teams tend to play a lone striker. Though who knows what Atlanta will do. Let's hope he's surrounded with guys who can provide him with service and a coach who knows how to make the most of KJs abilities. :beermug:
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I saw the same thing last night. If KJ's performance last night against Sporting Kansas City is any indication of things to come in his MLS tenure, he will certainly cause problems for defenders. And when he attracts an inordinate amount of attention from defenders, his striking teammates will have opportunity to punish them.
Thank God Hart understands KJ's influence and significance to the NT
Good Stuff
Not sure about that part. I believe most MLS teams tend to play a lone striker. Though who knows what Atlanta will do. Let's hope he's surrounded with guys who can provide him with service and a coach who knows how to make the most of KJs abilities. :beermug:
Agreed
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I saw the same thing last night. If KJ's performance last night against Sporting Kansas City is any indication of things to come in his MLS tenure, he will certainly cause problems for defenders. And when he attracts an inordinate amount of attention from defenders, his striking teammates will have opportunity to punish them.
Thank God Hart understands KJ's influence and significance to the NT
Good Stuff
Not sure about that part. I believe most MLS teams tend to play a lone striker. Though who knows what Atlanta will do. Let's hope he's surrounded with guys who can provide him with service and a coach who knows how to make the most of KJs abilities. :beermug:
when club teams make move like this(contract), especially US teams, better believe they do their homework and would provide what is necessary, before. Otherwise they wouldn't bring a KJ. Nobody has a Crystal Ball if all planned things work or not. They will not select supporting guys who cannot provide service or select KJ based on his World class name alone, in the whole scheme of World class players he not a Kaka, Drogba, Henri, Pirlo or Beckham..as far as US is concerned, he not even a Donovan..so bet they have done their due diligence, if it don't work out, it don't..but 1st year, they have to take whatever little contribution they get, based on cost. Just sayin
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WATCH: Central FC striker Kenwyne Jones scores on his debut for Central FC in their 2-2 draw with Sporting Kansas City
https://www.youtube.com/v/3cBimwD9xkw
WATCH: Interview with Kenwyne Jones following Central FC’s 2-2 draw with Sporting Kansas City.
https://www.youtube.com/v/L9qO-ht7FuQ
WATCH: Full post-game interview with Kenwyne Jones after Central FC’s 2-2 draw with Sporting Kansas City
https://www.youtube.com/v/s817iwcg7Dw
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That was a killer pass/ setup for KJ. I think was Joseph, put the goal on ah boombay for him.
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KJ named to the Team of Week 2 in the Champions League. Congrats to him and Central FC. :beermug:
The assist and goal also made the Play of the Week reel.
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KJ named to the Team of Week 2 in the Champions League. Congrats to him and Central FC. :beermug:
The assist and goal also made the Play of the Week reel.
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14022263_10154453288399314_2667116260953461627_n.jpg?oh=4bcb35b77b98ada037a18994c66cf29a&oe=584C2633)
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Kenwyne Jones Q&A - Reveals his love for playing FIFA and more!
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https://www.youtube.com/v/J5GvEXT0NQM&spfreload=10
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Just listened to an exchange on 95 regarding KJ. There was no shortage of opinion. Anyone was tuned in?
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Just listened to an exchange on 95 regarding KJ. There was no shortage of opinion. Anyone was tuned in?
No, but KJ is de modern day Stern John in terms of being de target of abuse by our "fans". At de game last night he was receiving level cuss, and there was nothing ah could do tuh sway de minds of de cussers.
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We don't value or accept KJ for the type of player he is, I know his casual nature at times can be frustrating to watch but his presence keeps the defenses on their heels which is a luxury for us. We just have to play to his strengths.
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At the risk of stretching a comparison ... anyone observe Zlatan's activity off the ball.
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We don't value or accept KJ for the type of player he is, I know his casual nature at times can be frustrating to watch but his presence keeps the defenses on their heels which is a luxury for us. We just have to play to his strengths.
all night long he waited for a ball at his head in the box, yet all he got were balls at his feet. the best header of the ball in concacaf and receives little to no crosses from the flank on his noggin. what a bloody shame and waste of a good target man.
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Just listened to an exchange on 95 regarding KJ. There was no shortage of opinion. Anyone was tuned in?
No, but KJ is de modern day Stern John in terms of being de target of abuse by our "fans". At de game last night he was receiving level cuss, and there was nothing ah could do tuh sway de minds of de cussers.
in all fairness to them he did have a poor game last night, in fact two poor games back to back TBH.
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Just listened to an exchange on 95 regarding KJ. There was no shortage of opinion. Anyone was tuned in?
No, but KJ is de modern day Stern John in terms of being de target of abuse by our "fans". At de game last night he was receiving level cuss, and there was nothing ah could do tuh sway de minds of de cussers.
in all fairness to them he did have a poor game last night, in fact two poor games back to back TBH.
When last he really run ball. He eh seem to feature much in Timbuktu or wherever he was. I doubt he very match sharp at the moment.
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Judging by how Hart usually sets up I'm not sure KJ is supposed to move alot. However the three behind him were not fluid enough to help the situation.
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Judging by how Hart usually sets up I'm not sure KJ is supposed to move alot. However the three behind him were not fluid enough to help the situation.
Finally somebody see it. Despite the team playing ball more on the ground, KJ represents an outlet that can hold up the ball to support a break away from our wing players. Why are we expecting KJ to do grunt work? So that he can end up being tired and out-muscled by defenders as the game wears on? It's as if we somehow need to play a 10-0-0 on defense. I never understood the constant moaning about his movement. Though it's a stretch in many regards asylum ask a very pertinent question in comparing Zlatan's movement. KJ already always have 2 defenders occupied already, not sure if he had to do all this running that folks seem to want he would be as effective at making flick-ons with his head or simply holding up the ball, which he does a very good job of and is a very necessary component to our build up.
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As I see it over and over K J is most dangerous when he coming with the play....
I agree if he is already in the box,we have not provided decent crosses for him to go at
Watch some tape..watch the St Vincent and Guatemala games
When he is coming from mid field with the play options magnify themselves,because he is not stagnant
We must evolve while on the pitch otherwise we become one dimensional and there by predictable
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Kenwyne Jones fends off criticism.
ttproleague.com.
“I don’t live under pressure. I’ve been in this game a long time [and] I know what educated and uneducated [spectators] say and i don't live under that pressure,” said Central FC loan-signing and Trinidad and Tobago National Team captain Kenwyne Jones, following what many described a mixed performance by the former England Premier League forward during the Trinidad and Tobago Pro League 2016/17 season curtain-raising Digicel Charity Shield last Friday at the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva.
The 31-year-old Jones, a former Sunderland, Stoke City and Cardiff City forward, scored in the fifth minute against Defence Force with a simple finish to put eventual winners Central FC into a two-goal cushion after Darren Mitchell had cleaned up on a headed attempt by Jones to give the Couva Sharks the lead by the third minute.
However the Charity Shield holders and reigning Digicel Pro League and Caribbean champions needed kicks from the spot to overcome Defence Force, thanks to some heroics from substitute goalkeeper Jan-Michael Williams – in his first game back since March due to a shoulder injury – who made three consecutive saves in the shootout to give the Dale Saunders-coached Central FC a 3-1 win following a 2-2 draw. Williams had also made crucial stops against the Army in the second half including a stoppage-time save to deny Hashim Arcia.
Defence Force had reduced the deficit through veteran striker Devorn Jorsling in the 18th-minute, and although creating a superior amount of scoring chances, the Army/Coast Guard combination only levelled the game in the 89th-minute through substitute Sean Narcis.
But Jones had an excellent opportunity to put the game out of Defence Force’s reach four minutes from the end of regulation time, however the Central forward headed overbar from just outside the six-yard area.
While fielding questions from the media afterwards, Jones explained, “The only pressure I have is to make sure my performance is good to help the team around me to get the results.”
Jones, who will join new Major League Soccer (MLS) franchise Atlanta United in January 2017, said his current focus is on keeping Central – the reigning Pro League champions – on top during his first stint back in Trinidad since 2004.
“I’ve done it before how many years ago. It’s nothing different for me [playing in the Pro League]. It’s just important for me to get some games under my belt. It's about getting to know the team (Central) better and try to help them win games and keep them on top,” added Jones, who scored on his Central debut in August in a 2-2 draw in the CONCACAF Champions League against MLS outfit Sporting Kansas City and made it two in two games by scoring in the Charity Shield.
Jones went on to add that his influence in the team is not alone, as he is only adding to the mix of former Europe players in the fold at Central such as managing director Brent Sancho and assistant coach Stern John, who, like head coach Dale Saunders, are all ex-T&T internationals.
“The experience and the standard is already there and given from the bench [by the coaching staff], and I come in to help them (the players) from the pitch as well. So it’s for the players [to try and become better],” said Jones.
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From Barcelona to Argentina to Atlanta United. KJ and Tata Martino could be uniting.
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WATCH: Get to know Atlanta United's Kenwyne Jones (http://www.atlutd.com/post/2016/09/09/kenwyne-jones-hot-seat?autoplay=true)
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Former Barcelona, Argentina, and Paraguay Head Coach Gerardo “Tata” Martino to coach Kenwyne Jones at Atlanta United. (http://www.atlutd.com/post/2016/09/27/atlanta-united-names-gerardo-tata-martino-head-coach)
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Kenwyne Jones excited to work with newly named Atlanta United Coach, Gerardo "Tata" Martino
Chambers Media Solutions
After a prestigious career as the coach of the Argentine National Team, Paraguay National Team and world-class La Liga's FC Barcelona, 53-year old Gerardo "Tata" Martino will now lead Atlanta United FC into the Major League Soccer 2017 Season as their Head Coach.
Recently signed striker to the MLS expansion club, Kenwyne Jones, looks forward to working with Mr. Martino. "I'm really happy that Martino has made the decision to join us at Atlanta United - he's played at all levels of football, he's led Argentina to the top spot in the FIFA World Ranking, and he's been at the coaching helm for one of the biggest clubs in the world, FC Barcelona. He is a leader in every sense of the word, and I respect him a lot." Jones is currently in Vancouver preparing for an away game against the Whitecaps with his loan club, Central FC.
The 31 year-old Trinidad and Tobago captain sees this naming of the inaugural head coach as a continued commitment from Atlanta United Management to bring together a quality team and a quality experience in the MLS. "Definitely, it's a good look because it shows that the club is out to make a big impact. I'm excited to join camp next year, management is making historic moves, and the Atlanta United fans should be looking forward to great times for the 2017 Season."
Along with skipper Jones, Atlanta United has already signed Argentine forward Hector "Tito" Villaba as well as Homegrown Player, Andrew Carleton.
Coach Martino will be introduced by Atlanta United to the media on Wednesday, September 28, 10 AM ET, at a news conference in downtown Atlanta. T&T Striker and Captain of the Senior Men's National Team, Kenwyne Jones, will fly to Georgia to join his new club, Atlanta United, at a camp from January 1st 2017.
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WATCH: Kenwyne Jones talks about his decision to play in the T&T Pro League before taking up duties at Atlanta United
https://www.youtube.com/v/GJbjT4UTAE8
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Kenwyne Jones ready “to be a part of history” with Atlanta United
By Michael McColl (aftn.ca)
It’s all starting to take shape for Atlanta United ahead of their inaugural Major League Soccer season.
Atlanta named their first head coach this week with the addition of the experienced Argentine Gerardo “Tata” Martino. With a 20-year coaching career behind him at both club and international level, Martino joins the seven signed players already on Atlanta’s books, with more to come soon.
Martino’s experience of the world game will be crucial in Atlanta’s first season in the league, as will that of veteran forward Kenwyne Jones, who joined United in July.
Jones heads to the league as a familiar name, having spent the past 12 years successfully plying his trade in the UK, nine of them in the Premier League. As to why he’s chosen to come to MLS at this stage of his career, and why Atlanta instead of a more established team, the answer lies in the exciting challenges ahead.
“It was a great opportunity to be in the league,” admits Jones. “A new franchise, in a great city. It’s part of making history. We’ve just signed Tata Martino, plus we have time to gather quite a few good players and hopefully we can build the franchise into something great.
“Something like this, it doesn’t happen every year. I took it as a great opportunity to be a part of history and also to be closer to home as well because we have qualifiers coming up and it’s going to be a long road to that. I don’t want to be flying too far.”
After spending so many years with top sides in England and Wales, it would have been easy for the long time Trinidad and Tobago captain to stay on familiar territory, but Jones admits a move to MLS has been on his radar for a while now.
“Maybe five, six years to be honest,” Jones said. “It’s all about choosing the right time to be part of the organization. I’ve had a long time in England so I think it was good for me to have a change of scenery, a change of atmosphere, and also a change to the calendar year. So it was good and perfect timing to join in the MLS now.”
Jones won’t be heading in to his new league cold. He’s had plenty of time to get the take on Atlanta’s opponents next season over the last few months, and with a number of friends already playing over here, along with a keen interest in soccer in the region, MLS is already a league very familiar to the forward.
“I’ve been watching MLS all the time, so it’s nothing new,” Jones revealed. “I’ve got quite a few friends around the league so I know what it’s about. It’s nothing strange to me. It’s nothing new. I’m just going to enjoy it.
“I’ve been playing against MLS teams for maybe the last five or six years in preseason as well, so I’m accustomed to what goes on out here, so I’m not going to be a fish out of water.”
That previous experience in the US has given Jones a good understanding of all the quirks North American soccer can throw up, from the coast to coast travel to the different stadia, atmospheres, and playing surfaces around the league. But the T&T captain feels the make-up of the league is perfect for a player like himself.
“Every league, every country, has a different style of playing soccer,” added Jones. “It’s nothing different. It’s nothing that you can’t adapt to. Over here we have most of the CONCACAF players in it, so it’s always good to be in that mix, because we have qualifiers coming up.
“Mostly everyone that we’re going to be playing against with club teams, you’re going to be playing against in the national team, so it’s always good to know and to have some sort of acquaintance with the players that you’re going to be playing against.”
Jones’ most recent experience of a MLS stadium came on Wednesday evening in Vancouver when his Central FC side went down to a 4-1 loss to the Whitecaps. It was Jones’ first visit to BC Place and he liked what he saw. Even the rare experience of playing on turf didn’t faze him, and gave him a taste of what to expect next season with Atlanta.
“It’s a bit different,” Jones said of playing on turf. “It’s okay. When you’re used to playing on something like that it goes to your advantage. It’s not what I’m really used to. It wasn’t too bad [in Vancouver]. It wasn’t wet or too slick. It was okay.”
Jones signed a short term deal with the reigning TT Pro League Champions in the summer. In part it was to keep his fitness at top level ahead of preseason with Atlanta, but it was also a chance to return back home before the next stage of his footballing journey begins.
It also affords the veteran forward the chance to share his years of experience with the younger crop of Trinidad and Tobagan talent coming through.
“It was perfect for me to be back home for a little bit,” Jones said. “I haven’t been home for like 12 years, so it was good for me to be back home in transition to going to Atlanta and also it was difficult to go somewhere and play for six months and then go over to Atlanta. I’d probably have to extend a loan or play a year there and then join up in the middle of the season, which I didn’t want to do.
“It was a perfect fit for me at this point of time. While I’m here I’m going to be able to shed experience to younger players and also within the team, there’s players that I have played with since I was 14 or 15-years-old. So it’s not really a strange make up for me but it was also for me to be at least in a good place during the transition.”
Jones heads to MLS at a good age, having done it at the top level with both club and country. He’ll be 32-years-old when he joins up with his new Atlanta teammates and still has a number of good years left in the tank.
He’s clearly relishing the new challenge that awaits him. As to how many others will follow Jones’ path over to MLS from the UK in the coming months, he’s not sure, feeling most players tend to like to stick to what they know best.
“It depends,” mused Jones. “It goes down to the individual. Most players in England, or in the UK, I would say are accustomed to that system and don’t want to leave generally. I’m not from there, I’m from the Caribbean. I don’t have any problem to playing elsewhere.
“To me, football is an experience, because by the time you look around, it’s going to be time to retire. I look forward to having that experience, that life experience, that footballing experience. It doesn’t bother me to go other places to play.”
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Team effort needed to reach Russia, says Jones.
By Nigel Simon (Guardian).
Soca Warriors captain Kenwyne Jones says for the team to qualify to the 2018 Fifa World Cup Finals in Russia, a total team effort is needed.
Jones was speaking after he set up three goals in T&T’s 4-0 defeat of Dominican Republic in their Caribbean Football Union Cup Final Group Four qualifier, at the Ato Boldon Stadium, Couva on Wednesday night.
Scoring the goals for T&T were Kevin Molino, with a hat-trick, his second against the same opponents in two matches and Cordell Cato.
The win makes eight-time CFU champions T&T leader among the three teams which also includes Martinique with three points ahead of its final match away to the French-speaking islands tomorrow at Stade Municipal, Pierre-Aliker, Fort-de-France.
Martinique beat Dominican Republic 2-1 on Saturday at the Estadio Panamerican, San Cristobal.
At the end of the three-team series only the winner will qualify to the CFU Cup Finals and the Concacaf Gold Cup set for next year.
Asked about the team’s upcoming campaign in the Concacaf qualifiers against Costa Rica, Mexico, USA, Honduras and Panama, Jones was quick to point out it will be a new experience for most of the team.
“For 99 per cent of the players, playing in the “Hex” will be a first time experience and also a bit of anxiety. We need to work on stuff, we need to get more solid and more discipline in the way we defend. And the way that we have been letting in goals, we need to strengthen our passing game and our attacking and score consistently.
“So yes, I believe the World Cup final round campaign is on our minds at the moment and yes we are anticipating it and we are looking forward to it, but we are also anxious in getting to work and getting things right.”
Jones noted that when T&T qualified for the World Cup, the team also had one of the worst starts and ended up qualifying. “We don’t want to be in that mode any more, seeing that we have made so much progress in this Concacaf region over the last three years.
“We want to be able to start off quickly and positively and try to pick up the maximum points at home against whoever we play and try and pick up points away, because the entire campaign is about strategy.
“Going into places like Mexico, Costa Rica and Honduras are not easy for anybody. These countries are not welcoming as us and it’s a tough battle and I don’t think a lot of the players have experienced that. So it’s going to be a brand new experience and one that is going to take a lot of mental strength from us and we are looking forward to the challenge.”
Jones said it will take a total team effort for T&T to qualify. “It’s not going to take one man to make us qualify as you can tell from the last campaign that we were successful in it was a total team effort, so we are going to have that mindset going through to the “Hex”.”
The hexagonal, ten-match schedule for each of the participating countries, will be played from November through October 2017 at the end of which the top three finishers advance directly to the 2018 World Cup in Russia.
The fourth-placed team will play an intercontinental home-and-away playoff in November 2017, against a team from the Asian Football Confederation.
Fixtures - Home teams mentioned first.
Matchday 1: Friday, November 11, 2016:
USA vs Mexico, Honduras vs Panama, T&T vs Costa Rica
Matchday 2: Tuesday, November 15, 2016:
Costa Rica vs USA, Panama vs Mexico, Honduras vs T&T
Matchday 3: Friday, March 24, 2017
USA vs Honduras, T&T vs Panama, Mexico vs Costa Rica
Matchday 4: Tuesday, March 28, 2017
Panama vs USA, Honduras vs Costa Rica, T&T vs Mexico
Matchday 5: Wednesday, June 7 or Thursday, June 8, 2017 TBD*
USA vs T&T, Costa Rica vs Panama, Mexico vs Honduras
Matchday 6: Sunday, June 11 or Monday, June 12, 2017, TBD*
Mexico vs USA, Panama vs Honduras, Costa Rica vs T&T
Matchday 7: Friday, Sept. 1, 2017
USA vs Costa Rica, Mexico vs Panama, T&T vs Honduras
Matchday 8: Tuesday, Sept. 5, 2017
Honduras vs USA, Panama vs T&T, Costa Rica vs Mexico
Matchday 9: Friday, Oct. 6, 2017
USA vs Panama, Costa Rica vs Honduras, Mexico vs T&T
Matchday 10: (*matches kickoff simultaneously) Friday, Oct. 10, 2017
T&T vs USA, Panama vs Costa Rica, Honduras vs Mexico
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WATCH: Kenwyne Jones talks about immigration and racism in the UK
https://www.youtube.com/v/ev-Kp6M7Rzc
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Did KJ get hurt in the last game ? If so how bad was it ?
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Kenwyne Jones weighs in on the affairs of the Men’s National Senior Team
Kenwyne Jones Media
This release seeks to provide updates, further to various enquiries from members of the media, regarding recent events surrounding the Captain of the Senior Men's National Team, Kenwyne Jones.
Medical Status:
As widely reported in the media, Mr. Jones was injured during the Caribbean Cup Qualifying Game against Martinique on Wednesday 12th October 2016. Based on the most recent medical scan, it was revealed that Kenwyne has suffered a minor ligament tear. Doctors have indicated, however, that his recovery time should be short. Kenwyne is looking forward to returning the best of health to prepare with the National Team for the World Cup 2018 Qualifier against Costa Rica on November 11th. Kenwyne would like to especially thank his club Central FC for facilitating all needs during this period of recovery.
Road to World Cup 2018:
Trinidad and Tobago is nearing a crucial period in the nation's World Cup 2018 journey - the Hexagonal Campaign. As captain of the National Team, Mr. Jones and his peers continue to fully support the Head Coach, Stephen Hart, as well as the staff of Men's Senior National Team. The relationships built over the last 3 years has been paramount to reaching this advanced stage of competition in the World Cup, and the connections have been dynamized with Coach Hart's experience and unwavering commitment to the players. Moving into The Hex, Mr. Jones and the players sincerely believe that Coach Hart at the helm will give the team the best chance to qualify for Russia 2018. Jones is confident in Coach Hart's leadership, saying, "This is the best team we've had in a while, and there's no doubt that we cannot go forward without him."
National Team Effort:
There have been reports circulating in the public domain, surrounding the disciplinary action taken recently against Kevin Molino. The following is a statement from Captain Jones, speaking on behalf of the National Team:
"With every team, there are young, talented players, and they sometimes make mistakes. Coming out of this recent situation, as a player it's important to take away a solid lesson, buckle down and make yourself a better player and a person. Some reactions have not been the best, and there has been disappointment across the board, including from fans.
We all want Kevin to put everything behind him - apologise properly to Coach, staff and players and by extension Trinidad and Tobago - and move forward together as a unit. He has been and will always be a great addition to the squad. But when it comes down to it, this is about representing yourself and Trinidad and Tobago, and nobody is ever bigger than the game. At the end of the day, we're hoping that we can all learn from this and get back to the business of football and together make World Cup history again for T&T."
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Captain my Captain! :salute:
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The man just put we through a Master Class jess so jess so.
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Full support to Kenwyne despite what others think..
Molino need to be a man and realize loyalty means more than he believes
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Well said KJ and thank you for the press release. Speedy recovery :beermug:
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The skipper is leading the way with transparency, but somewhat out of necessity.
Road to World Cup 2018:
Trinidad and Tobago is nearing a crucial period in the nation's World Cup 2018 journey - the Hexagonal Campaign. As captain of the National Team, Mr. Jones and his peers continue to fully support the Head Coach, Stephen Hart, as well as the staff of Men's Senior National Team. The relationships built over the last 3 years has been paramount to reaching this advanced stage of competition in the World Cup, and the connections have been dynamized with Coach Hart's experience and unwavering commitment to the players. Moving into The Hex, Mr. Jones and the players sincerely believe that Coach Hart at the helm will give the team the best chance to qualify for Russia 2018. Jones is confident in Coach Hart's leadership, saying, "This is the best team we've had in a while, and there's no doubt that we cannot go forward without him."
In part, political statement. In part, notice. In part, warning. In part, checkmate.
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Jones sidelined with lower leg injury.
T&T Guardian Reports.
T&T captain Kenwyne Jones will be sidelined for a short time after results of an MRI Scan showed he suffered injuries to two tendons in the posterior aspect of the lower leg in last week’s Caribbean Cup qualifier between T&T and Martinique. The MRI was done soon after his return to T&T from Fort-de-France last week.
Team doctor Terence Babwah told national coach Stephen Hart his striker who has played in England, United Arab Emirates (UAE), and soon to the MLS in the United States next year, will be out for a short period. However, he also gave the assurance that the rasta-hair style forward will recover in time to resume training ahead of the November 11th CONCACAF World Cup qualifier against Costa Rica at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo.
“We received the results of the MRI on Kenwyne and it has been determined that he suffered injured tendons in his lower leg and will be out for a short period. He is expected to recover and be eligible for selection for our two upcoming World Cup qualifiers. We wish him a speedy recovery,” Hart said.
Hart further commented: “It’s always a difficult situation when any member of your team suffers an injury. It was disappointing that he was forced to leave the field at such an early stage of the match but again I don’t want to use that as an excuse for the performance of the team in Martinique.”
According to Hart: “The team is not based on one player. As a unit, the players and all of us members of this team would obviously have to understand our roles and contributions that are required at this level of the game. We all have one common goal which is to always represent our country and ourselves in the best possible way when we put on the national shirt, and this includes adapting and adjusting to circumstances as they arise.”
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At the risk of stretching a comparison ... anyone observe Zlatan's activity off the ball.
Jose Mourinho's comment today on Ibrahimovic following the Swansea away match in which Ibra ended his scoring drought:
"A striker that doesn’t score goals but does everything else is a very important player for the team.”
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Kenwyne Jones: World Cup qualification still within our reach
TTFA Media
Trinidad and Tobago’s senior men’s team returned from San Pedro Sula, Honduras on Thursday night minus some of its overseas-based members who returned to their respective destinations following Tuesday’s World Cup qualifying loss in Honduras.
Head Coach Stephen Hart led the local contingent accompanied by head of delegation, TTFA Vice President Ewing Davis and team captain Kenwyne Jones.
Among those returning was goalkeeper Jan Michael Williams who suffered a concussion in the first half of Tuesday’s match and had to be rushed to the Cemena Hospital in San Pedro Sula. He underwent an emergency CT scan of the head and neck which showed no evidence of fracture or brain bleeding.
Williams was evaluated by consultant neurosurgeon Dr Chang who diagnosed a moderate concussion. Williams was reevaluated 24 hours later after the incident and cleared to fly to Port of Spain. He has been advised to avoid all sporting activities for two weeks after being symptom free. This could lead to a total of 3-4 weeks away off before restarting any form of training.
Skipper Jones, fully aware of the level of criticism being aimed at him in recent times, vowed that the T&T team will pull its way of the current slump.
“It is disappointing but I am optimistic as in reference to the 2006 campaign, we are in a similar position to what we were back then before we qualified. Knowing the way the games have gone so far and how the teams are standing, it’s far from over. We have eight games to go and I believe for a lot of the players, getting the experience so far is a good one which will serve them well for the upcoming games. There is still time to fix the situation,” Jones told TTFA Media.
“At the end of the day there is no substitute for experience. This final round of qualifying takes something different. If you look at all the games played in the group I don’t think we have been seeing much football but more about scrapping for victories and points. It’s something we have to get to.
“We have had so many instances where we played football to get out of trouble either winning or coming back to draw. We didn’t have too much games to scrap to save or get a victory. We need to fight to get those points on board. It is something we will have to get to quickly,” added the former Stoke City forward.
During a similar period in 2015, T&T, following their quarter-final finish at the CONCACAF Gold Cup, went onto defeat Panama 2-1 in Panama City, draw 3-3 with Mexico in Salt Lake City and defeat Guatemala 2-1 in the first match of the semi-final round of qualification in Guatemala, also holding the US 0-0 in Port of Spain. Jones spoke about the change in the way the team has handled its assignments over the past few months.
“Maybe a place of complacency for some of us. This is not a one-day thing. It’s been happening for quite a few games now but it serves as a good example for us to look back on to try and see what we need to do to get out of the situation,” Jones said.
“The public is going to have their issues and rightly so but at the same time as a team we need to look within ourselves and try to fix the problem because we are the only ones that are going to fix the problems. We have two home games in March so hopefully we can get to the drawing board and get this done. We need to start mending the wounds that we are carrying.”
Regardless, the Atlanta FC player is backing his troops to rebound.
“I have a hundred percent confidence in the team. I have no doubt the we can do it. The only one that will stop us from doing this is ourselves. We can’t look to blame anyone or say we are not being supported by anyone for the issues going on the field. We have to come together and working to fix our problems and the only way will be doing the nitty gritty and pulling ourselves out of it.”
T&T will face Suriname on January 4th followed by a clash between Haiti and Suriname on January 6th to be played in T&T in the CONCACAF Gold Cup playoffs. T&T will play the final match of the playoffs against Haiti on January 8th. Season Pass holders will have free access to these matches. Get your TTFA/NLCB Season Pass at all First Citizen’s Bank branches today.
https://www.youtube.com/v/v2bBjBOOdaY
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Still within our reach.
TTFA Media.
Trinidad and Tobago’s senior men’s team returned from San Pedro Sula, Honduras on Thursday night minus some of its overseas-based members who returned to their respective destinations following Tuesday’s World Cup qualifying loss in Honduras.
Head Coach Stephen Hart led the local contingent accompanied by head of delegation, TTFA Vice President Ewing Davis and team captain Kenwyne Jones.
Among those returning was goalkeeper Jan Michael Williams who suffered a concussion in the first half of Tuesday’s match and had to be rushed to the Cemena Hospital in San Pedro Sula. He underwent an emergency CT scan of the head and neck which showed no evidence of fracture or brain bleeding.
Williams was evaluated by consultant neurosurgeon Dr Chang who diagnosed a moderate concussion. Williams was reevaluated 24 hours later after the incident and cleared to fly to Port of Spain.. He has been advised to avoid all sporting activities for two weeks after being symptom free. This could lead to a total of 3-4 weeks away off before restarting any form of training.
Skipper Jones, fully aware of the level of criticism being aimed at him in recent times, vowed that the T&T team will pull its way of the current slump.
“It is disappointing but I am optimistic as in reference to the 2006 campaign, e are in a similar position to what we were back then before we qualified. Knowing the way the games have gone so far and how the teams are standing, it’s far from over. We have eight games to go and I believe for a lot of the players, getting the experience so far is a good one which will serve them well for the upcoming games. There is still time to fix the situation,” Jones told TTFA Media.
“At the end of the day there is no substitute for experience. This final round of qualifying takes something different. If you look at all the games played in the group I don’t think we have been seeing much football but more about scrapping for victories and points. It’s something we have to get to.
“We have had so many instances where we played football to get out of trouble either winning or coming back to draw. We didn’t have too much games to scrap to save or get a victory. We need to fight to get those points on board. It is something we will have to get to quickly,” added the former Stoke City forward.
During a similar period in 2015, T&T, following their quarter-final finish at the CONCACAF Gold Cup, went onto defeat Panama 2-1 in Panama City, draw 3-3 with Mexico in Salt Lake City and defeat Guatemala 2-1 in the first match of the semi-final round of qualification in Guatemala, also holding the US 0-0 in Port of Spain. Jones spoke about the change in the way the team has handled its assignments over the past few months.
“Maybe a place of complacency for some of us. This is not a one-day thing. It’s been happening for quite a few games now but it serves as a good example for us to look back on to try and see what we need to do to get out of the situation,” Jones said.
“The public is going to have their issues and rightly so but at the same time as a team we need to look within ourselves and try to fix the problem because we are the only ones that are going to fix the problems. We have two home games in March so hopefully we can get to the drawing board and get this done. We need to start mending the wounds that we are carrying.”
Regardless, the Atlanta FC player is backing his troops to rebound.
“I have a hundred percent confidence in the team. I have no doubt the we can do it. The only one that will stop us from doing this is ourselves. We can’t look to blame anyone or say we are not being supported by anyone for the issues going on the field. We have to come together and working to fix our problems and the only way will be doing the nitty gritty and pulling ourselves out of it.”
T&T will face Suriname on January 4th followed by a clash between Haiti and Suriname on January 6th to be played in T&T in the CONCACAF Gold Cup playoffs. T&T will play the final match of the playoffs against Haiti on January 8th. Season Pass holders will have free access to these matches. Get your TTFA/NLCB Season Pass at all First Citizen’s Bank branches today.
T&T team returns home ... Skipper Jones vows that T&T team will bounce back (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2bBjBOOdaY)
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WATCH: Former Trinidad and Tobago Head Coach Stephen Hart urges fans to support Kenwyne Jones
https://www.youtube.com/v/tOy0BN2u13k
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The sad this is the average fan don't see it that way.
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The sad this is the average fan don't see it that way.
For most trinis, if yuh is a striker and cyah spannah nobody, yuh is a shithong
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Cummins and jones made a dynamic combo upfront until kerron was shot... kenwyne needs someone to feed off upfront, he needs service and that's what men need to realize ...
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Cummins and jones made a dynamic combo upfront until kerron was shot... kenwyne needs someone to feed off upfront, he needs service and that's what men need to realize ...
I thought the relationship was different, Cummins feeding off of Kenwyne.
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Cummins and jones made a dynamic combo upfront until kerron was shot... kenwyne needs someone to feed off upfront, he needs service and that's what men need to realize ...
I thought the relationship was different, Cummins feeding off of Kenwyne.
Me too. KJ doh feed off nobody because dey seldom play to his strengths. Why? Only they can answer that.
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I am guessing that kenny is going to miss the play off games vs surename and haiti?
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Cummins and jones made a dynamic combo upfront until kerron was shot... kenwyne needs someone to feed off upfront, he needs service and that's what men need to realize ...
I thought the relationship was different, Cummins feeding off of Kenwyne.
Cummings capitalizing because they try to mark KJ out the game, maybe you can say he feeding off of him but kerron is creative and creates space and opps if you watch his replays... feed in the sense of service from the central mid and wingers...
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Cummins and jones made a dynamic combo upfront until kerron was shot... kenwyne needs someone to feed off upfront, he needs service and that's what men need to realize ...
I thought the relationship was different, Cummins feeding off of Kenwyne.
Cummings capitalizing because they try to mark KJ out the game, maybe you can say he feeding off of him but kerron is creative and creates space and opps if you watch his replays... feed in the sense of service from the central mid and wingers...
I agree that Kenwyne needs service. I thought you were suggesting that Cummings was providing that service.
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... has January training camp with Atlanta United.
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Kenwyne dropped but not surprised
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday)
TRINIDAD and Tobago football captain Kenwyne Jones will be missing from the national football team training session today, but the striker says he is not surprised to see his name missing from the squad and he does not have any animosity.
Belgian Tom Saintfeit, who was announced as the new head coach of T&T a week ago, released a squad of 28 players to begin preparations for two friendly international matches both against Nicaragua away from home on December 27 and 30. Saintfeit will have his first training session with the national team today at the Hasely Crawford Stadium from 7 pm.
Jones, who has represented the senior team for more than 10 years was a notable absentee from the squad. Saintfeit reportedly wants to go for a faster style of play and Jones was omitted from the squad.
In a media release Saintfeit stated, “the squad is made based on my style of play but also on consultation with several people of the technical committee, local coaches and other local people involved in football here. In the future we can also see players involved who were maybe not selected now because then I will follow up the league more and know more about the individual players and their qualities and I would have more knowledge of the players in the local league and abroad.”
Jones, who was part of the T&T team that qualified for the 2006 World Cup in Germany, said he is not shocked by the decision. Jones said, “I wish the team all the best, it is nothing that is surprising to me.
I had a meeting with the coach and obviously that is not a squad that he picked so at the end of the day I wish the team all the best and I hope that they come out successful in the games coming up.” Carlos Edwards, one of Jones’ teammates at the 2006 World Cup, received a call up yesterday. Edwards, now 38, has made 88 appearances for T&T , last playing for the national team in an international friendly against Jamaica in November 2013. Edwards is currently playing for Ma Pau Stars in the T&T Pro League.
Jones, despite the snub, said he still has the enthusiasm to play for T&T . “I don’t think that is a question, I have represented T&T in good times and bad times. The hunger is always there to represent T&T , I don’t think that has ever changed.” Jones added he has no hard feelings on being dropped. “I don’t feel animosity to anybody. At the end of the day everybody has their reasons for whatever selection and whatever process, he is the coach.
Again, obviously he is new here so he is probably getting help pick the squad.” The Central FC striker says he is glad to see new players being called up for the national team and does not want to say too much to cause a distraction to the team, “I mean a lot could be said about a lot of things and how people going about things but at the end of the day I am a footballer first. As someone usually says it is what it is.
“At the end of the day I am not going to say anything to make it seem as if I have a bad taste in my mouth or sour grapes. As I said I have represented T&T in good times (and) in bad times to the best of my ability under good circumstances, under bad circumstances. So me talking about any ills or wrongdoings or any tea to spill now definitely is not the time for that. I am still a player and moreover I want to see the country do well. The time for that small talk will be at some point in time in life.” T&T will leave on Christmas Day for Nicaragua.
T&T Training Squad: Jan Michael Williams (Central FC), Glenroy Samuel (Ma Pau Stars), Marvin Phillip (Morvant Caledonia United), Adrian Foncette (Police FC), Daneil Cyrus (W Connection), Sheldon Bateau (Krylia Sovetov Samara), Triston Hodge (Toronto FC II), Mekeil Williams (Colorado Rapids), Carlyle Mitchell (Seoul E-Land FC), Radanfah Abu Bakr (Sillamae Kallen), Alvin Jones (W Connection), Curtis Gonzales (Defence Force), Nathaniel Garcia (Central FC), Sean De Silva (Central FC), Hughtun Hector (W Connection), Maurice Forde (W Connection), Kevin Molino (Orlando City), Aikim Andrews (W Connection), Trevin Caesar (Orange County Blues), Cordell Cato (San Jose Earthquakes), Jomal Williams (Murcielagos FC), Hachim Arcia (Defence Force), Willis Plaza (Jabloteh FC), Shahdon Winchester (Murcielagos FC), Carlos Edwards (Ma Pau Stars), Joevin Jones (Seattle Sounders), Aubrey David (Dallas FC), Jomoul Francois (St Ann’s Rangers)
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Q&A: Atlanta United’s Kenwyne Jones
By Doug Roberson (The Atlanta Journal-Constitution)
Atlanta United’s Kenwyne Jones gave his first interview to a member of the Atlanta media while standing in the middle of a soccer field in the growing darkness of Bradenton, Fla. on Wednesday.
Jones, a native of Trinidad and Tobago, has a reputation of being a great interview after years of being in the Premier League, where he played for Stoke, Sunderland and Cardiff City, among others.
The big target forward didn’t disappoint.
(Note: I only had a few minutes because the players were trying to get back to their housing and I had other interviews lined up with more players who were also trying to get back to housing after finishing the second practice of the day. I apologize if I couldn’t dive too deeply with Jones).
Q: Why Atlanta United and Major League Soccer?
A: For me, No. 1, it was about a different experience for myself. I’m from the Caribbean. I’m not from the U.K. I’ve been playing professionally in the UK for 12 ½ years. My career isn’t over yet. I have three, possibly, four good years left. I wanted to experience a different culture.
I grew up looking at various types of soccer. MLS has been growing and I always wanted to play here someday. Happily, it’s with Atlanta United.
Of course it’s a beautiful city, a beautiful set-up as everyone can see. It’s about helping building a legacy, build a franchise and create a little bit of history.
Q: Do you have any history of doing anything like that outside of soccer? A school or a charity?
A: I don’t like to label myself with a specific charity. I have a different outlook on that. It’s structured. For me, charity is basically is walking down the street and helping someone out, whether it’s someone who is homeless or giving advice at schools. Whatever the case, I can lend my hand to.
Q: How do you think you fit in with what Gerardo Martino wants to do, your skills and his style?
A: We are only two days into preseason so the proper identity of what the team is going to be is still in the works. You can see that they are trying to slowly but surely impress the style and pattern of play. Of course, we still have a couple of people missing. People are going to be missing who are integral to the squad. So we still have a lot of work to do.
In the next week or so we are going to iron out what we are going to start out as and what we are going to play and keep working on that until the season opener. We have quite a few preseason games to go so we are still in the building process. I’m pretty sure working day by day we are going to get onto that. Hopefully what he’s planning to do I’ll be a fit.
Q: What is your first soccer memory?
A: My first memory actually is watching my uncle in 1989, World Cup qualifying for Trinidad, against the USA. That was my first memory. We needed one point. We didn’t get it. That was my first memory.
After that, growing up on World Cups, European Championships, all types of football.
Playing myself, it’s just been a continuation, a streamline of events happening from when I was 5 years old until now.
Q: Super Bowl prediction?
A: I’m just becoming a fan of NFL, properly. It goes without saying that I hope the Falcons win because it’s going to be my home. I have to support them not just because I’m living there but coming in on the wave of the euphoria and the way they played this year, the things they have to overcome being the underdogs, you have to give them that support, 100 percent.
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Atlanta United’s Kenwyne Jones finalizes his international paperwork…gets his green card (http://www.atlutd.com/post/2017/02/28/chris-mccann-and-kenwyne-jones-finalize-international-paperwork)
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Atlanta United’s Kenwyne Jones finalizes his international paperwork…gets his green card (http://www.atlutd.com/post/2017/02/28/chris-mccann-and-kenwyne-jones-finalize-international-paperwork)
Good ting he name wasn't Al Jones
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Seems like anywhere he go fans gon quarrel bout him: http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/kenwyne-jones-thread.2038480/
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Seems like anywhere he go fans gon quarrel bout him: http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/kenwyne-jones-thread.2038480/
To be fair he hasn't been lighting it up for the last 2-3 years.
KJ needs to hit the reset button for club and country. I wish him every success as I think he still has all the attributes to deliver so its just on him to do his thing.
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We get what we get from Kenwyne Jones. This guy has been playing and performing on one solid leg (knee) at one of the highest level in football for over 6 years, came back from what for many is a career ending injury. Recently re-injurying or aggravated said knees, he is not gonna improve considerably, he cannot train or run hard enuff too. If the coach has someone better, then they can use them, until then, if the coach needs a striker who can hold up, do a particular but not overly demanding role, someone with smarts and experience. Someone to lead by example, KJ is your man. If someone more dynamic is required, use someone else. Face that reality.
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ATL vs NYRB on now....KJ started on the bench.....hopefully he sees action in the 2nd half
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Wikipedia say
Managerial style[edit]
Gerardo Martino prefers to play a very high pressing and an attacking style of football. At Barcelona, Martino continued the club's preferred style of play tiki-taka along with his own tactics. All of Martino's teams have the same distinguishable traits: they play attack-minded football, they are creative and the style is based on quick passing. In addition, Martino's teams also pressure high up the pitch, play out from the back and depend on their youth systems.[18]
The youth guys currently performing, doh think we seeing much of KJ running out for Atlanta much. Hope it doesn'r affect his Ntl team preparations and performances. Don't think I would start him vs Panama.
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So they buy him to bench him which would in turn affect his performance for us in wc qualifiers..
Subterfuge and sabotage if I've even seen it when it comes to Trinidad and Tobago players and our national team
In addition, get rid of Hart who the players were actually performing for ...
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So they buy him to bench him which would in turn affect his performance for us in wc qualifiers..
Subterfuge and sabotage if I've even seen it when it comes to Trinidad and Tobago players and our national team
In addition, get rid of Hart who the players were actually performing for ...
The problem here is that the Atlanta administration just selected Kenwyne Jones, who they thought was a good player with international experience,to create the foundation of the team before the coach was on board. The coach's philosophy was different; and so his selections doesn't include Kenwyne's style as a lead member of his attack. There is no conspiracy. Kenwyne may have to move on if he want's to play - maybe join Molino in Minnesota. Before moving to Orlando, there were rumors here that the coach wanted to sign him.
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So they buy him to bench him which would in turn affect his performance for us in wc qualifiers..
Subterfuge and sabotage if I've even seen it when it comes to Trinidad and Tobago players and our national team
In addition, get rid of Hart who the players were actually performing for ...
The problem here is that the Atlanta administration just selected Kenwyne Jones, who they thought was a good player with international experience,to create the foundation of the team before the coach was on board. The coach's philosophy was different; and so his selections doesn't include Kenwyne's style as a lead member of his attack. There is no conspiracy. Kenwyne may have to move on if he want's to play - maybe join Molino in Minnesota. Before moving to Orlando, there were rumors here that the coach wanted to sign him.
:applause:
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I watch the last couple Atlanta games and that attack looking real good already. All lil skillful South Americans. Main striker on loan from Serie A. They playing a totally different game from the kind that KJ excels at. Only 3 games play so far, though, and there will come some times when they need a Plan B.
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So they buy him to bench him which would in turn affect his performance for us in wc qualifiers..
Subterfuge and sabotage if I've even seen it when it comes to Trinidad and Tobago players and our national team
In addition, get rid of Hart who the players were actually performing for ...
The problem here is that the Atlanta administration just selected Kenwyne Jones, who they thought was a good player with international experience,to create the foundation of the team before the coach was on board. The coach's philosophy was different; and so his selections doesn't include Kenwyne's style as a lead member of his attack. There is no conspiracy. Kenwyne may have to move on if he want's to play - maybe join Molino in Minnesota. Before moving to Orlando, there were rumors here that the coach wanted to sign him.
So the hierarchy of the team management didn't talk to the coach prior to hiring him and discuss his style and their current roster and acquisitions? KJ didn't factor into these conversations beforehand?
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So they buy him to bench him which would in turn affect his performance for us in wc qualifiers..
Subterfuge and sabotage if I've even seen it when it comes to Trinidad and Tobago players and our national team
In addition, get rid of Hart who the players were actually performing for ...
The problem here is that the Atlanta administration just selected Kenwyne Jones, who they thought was a good player with international experience,to create the foundation of the team before the coach was on board. The coach's philosophy was different; and so his selections doesn't include Kenwyne's style as a lead member of his attack. There is no conspiracy. Kenwyne may have to move on if he want's to play - maybe join Molino in Minnesota. Before moving to Orlando, there were rumors here that the coach wanted to sign him.
So the hierarchy of the team management didn't talk to the coach prior to hiring him and discuss his style and their current roster and acquisitions? KJ didn't factor into these conversations beforehand?
Coaches aren't hired to suite a particular player boss, although once established the reverse might be true..this particular coach is bigger than KJ or any individual player by far, as respect to experience, ability and marketing. Whatever he says goes or he gone... something like a Beenie
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So the hierarchy of the team management didn't talk to the coach prior to hiring him and discuss his style and their current roster and acquisitions? KJ didn't factor into these conversations beforehand?
Yes and no. Of course they spoke to Martino. However, not prior to KJ's signature. His acquisitions include players who otherwise would not touch MLS.
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K J time will come
He has to make the most it when it materializes
He should be fresh and play with attitude
Man he has a lot to prove on the down side of his career
Otherwise this could be a very short stay
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Skipper Kenwyne unfazed by criticism or praises.
T&T Newsday Reports.
MEMBERS of the Trinidad and Tobago football team on Friday thanked fans for their support during Friday’s 1-0 win over Panama at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Mucurapo. the result jump-start T&T’s World Cup campaign with three points from three matches.
Midfielder Kevin Molino scored in the 37th minute as T&T earned a battling victory.
Molino declined to be interviewed by the media after the game but a number of his teammates were pleased with the fan support as well as their performances under pressure.
One such person is striker Kenwyne Jones, who was back on the team - and as captain - after he was excluded from the squad altogether by previous coach Tom Saintfiet.
“I feel okay,” was his response when asked about his return to the squad. “That stuff don’t matter to me. At the end of the day, my mindset is about doing the best for Trinidad and Tobago and helping them to the place that we need to be.
“The goal is try and make it to Russia (hosts of the 2018 World Cup). We want to take it one game at a time and try to get there.” During the latter stages of former coach Stephen Hart’s tenure (Hart was fired in November), Jones bore the brunt of abuse from fans at the matches and on social media, for sub-par displays.
But his wholehearted effort on Friday saw him receive a standing ovation when he was replaced by Jamille Boatswain in the 84th minute.
However, Jones insisted, “No disrespect but I don’t work for the fans. I have 26 guys and staff members to work for, my family to work for, I have a role within the team to play and that’s what I go out there to do.
“However the fans feel after that, I’m not going to be held responsible but when it comes to the game, what I’ve done (vs Panama) I’ve been doing all the time. I’m taking flak for whatever reason but it doesn’t faze me. “I know what I have to do out there and that’s about it. At the end of the day, you always have the people who think they can do better so it’s not a big issue for me.”
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We need a goal scorer .................
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We need a goal scorer .................
"Midfielders:
Andre Boucaud (Dagenham & Redbridge—ENG), Joevin Jones (Seattle Sounders FC—USA), Nathan Lewis (San Juan Jabloteh), Khaleem Hyland (KVC Westerlo—BEL), Kevan George (Jacksonville Armada—USA), Hughtun Hector (W Connection), Hashim Arcia (Defence Force), Kevin Molino (Minnesota United FC—USA), Leston Paul (Central FC), Levi Garcia (AZ Alkmaar—NED).
Forwards:
Cordell Cato (San Jose Earthquakes—USA), Kenwyne Jones (Atlanta United—USA), Willis Plaza (East Bengal FC—IND), Jamille Boatswain (Defence Force)."
Suggestions ? Doh say, "Bring back Stern John or Cornell". Unfortunately, KJ has proven to be the most competent striker at present, especially given our ability (or lack of) to get the ball to that goalscorer/striker. Maybe you know someone or think someone else deserve to be there. We have tried all the ones we know of.
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However, Jones insisted, “No disrespect but I don’t work for the fans. I have 26 guys and staff members to work for, my family to work for, I have a role within the team to play and that’s what I go out there to do.
“However the fans feel after that, I’m not going to be held responsible but when it comes to the game, what I’ve done (vs Panama) I’ve been doing all the time. I’m taking flak for whatever reason but it doesn’t faze me. “I know what I have to do out there and that’s about it. At the end of the day, you always have the people who think they can do better so it’s not a big issue for me.”
He eh go say it....but I go say it fuh he.....HAMC! And justifiably so IMO
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K J time will come
He has to make the most it when it materializes
He should be fresh and play with attitude
Man he has a lot to prove on the down side of his career
Otherwise this could be a very short stay
Maybe now is his chance. Hearing that Atlanta's main striker has been ruled out for 4-6 weeks due to injury.
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K J time will come
He has to make the most it when it materializes
He should be fresh and play with attitude
Man he has a lot to prove on the down side of his career
Otherwise this could be a very short stay
Maybe now is his chance. Hearing that Atlanta's main striker has been ruled out for 4-6 weeks due to injury.
I personally don't think he have anything to prove doh. I'm quite satisfied with his service and accomplishments, given the major injury(and operations) he experienced. Well done KJ. The rest is dessert, enjoy as much as you can, but don't try to overdo it.
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Jones says sub role suiting him at Atlanta.
By Shaun Fuentes (Guardian).
Kenwyne Jones has been hailed as a key contributor to Atlanta United in its recent MLS outings with Seattle Sounders and Toronto FC with his ability to come off the bench and be a target for the midfielders and defenders to hit with direct balls.
Jones, at 32, told reporters he is in fact comfortable to playing his part, even if it means coming on with the final ten to play.
“It’s something that you need to do if the game requires it. Sometimes the way the game is set up you might need to start getting in behind teams or probably holding the ball up so you can keep possession more and at least give your team a little bit of a hold on the game,” Jones said.
“You just have to prepare to do the job required. Whether you play 90 minutes or play five minutes you have to just focus and carry out your functions. I’ve been with quite a few different football coaches. I don’t think I have any adjusting to do.
“At the end of the day, I’m 32, I’ve had a long career so far. I’ve already motivated myself as a player. I’m not a player that’s fresh and trying to learn the game so I think it’s pretty easy for me to carry out the instructions that are necessary,”added Jones who also put in two solid shifts for T&T in recent World Cup qualifiers with Panama and Mexico and is again expected to be in the squad for the August qualifiers against the US and Costa Rica.
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Maxg
I personally don't think he have anything to prove doh. I'm quite satisfied with his service and accomplishments, given the major injury(and operations) he experienced. Well done KJ. The rest is dessert, enjoy as much as you can, but don't try to overdo it.
In my humble opinion..Once you lace up and step unto the pitch...You are there to prove something...If you are not then you have lost your edge and it's time to step aside...If you have nothing to prove why are you participating...Just my take
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Maxg
I personally don't think he have anything to prove doh. I'm quite satisfied with his service and accomplishments, given the major injury(and operations) he experienced. Well done KJ. The rest is dessert, enjoy as much as you can, but don't try to overdo it.
In my humble opinion..Once you lace up and step unto the pitch...You are there to prove something...If you are not then you have lost your edge and it's time to step aside...If you have nothing to prove why are you participating...Just my take
as long as they paying him and don't have another replacement, or someone deemed better..
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=turn+down+for+what&view=detail&mid=2FD812E7AE4A44D63E482FD812E7AE4A44D63E48&FORM=VIRE
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The Kenwyne Jones Conundrum.
By Joe Patrick (dirtysouthsoccer).
The highly experienced striker hasn’t seen the field as much as we expected. The question is, “why?”
Kenwyne Jones exudes a coolness about him that makes him incredibly likeable. The long dreadlocks, his impressive size, his Caribbean twang, the willingness to put himself out there on social media — it all adds up to, in this case, a player that fans desperately want to see in action.
Except, he’s not. Why? His career is impressive for any professional soccer player, let alone a non-Designated Player in MLS, having plied his trade in the Premier League for a number of years and scored his fair share of goals. He’s 32, which makes him an older player by modern standards, but certainly not past his expiration date. And in the few minutes he’s played this year, he’s been good! For the most part, he’s come in and done as much as possible to help the team finish the game. But with Josef Martinez out the last two weeks, why haven’t we seen him in the starting lineup?
Kenwyne Jones’ strengths
As we’ve all witnessed this season (and preseason), Jones is not a very mobile player, at least not at this stage of his career. That’s not to say he doesn’t have quality, because he clearly does. He’s a player with a big body that can hold the ball well and bring other players into the game. He’s composed and doesn’t give the ball away cheaply for a striker. There’s tactical value to these qualities also. In the games in which he’s appeared (except against NYRB) Jones has done exactly what was needed of him to help the team. He talked to the media about this at the training facility Wednesday:
“You need to do what the game requires sometimes. The way the game is set up, you may need to try and get behind teams or you may need to hold the ball up to keep possession more so you can give your team a little more of a hold on the game. As a player you have to be adaptable to what's needed.”
And he’s done exactly that. Here’s some examples of his hold up play against Toronto.
Toronto v Atlanta Clip 1 (https://streamable.com/nxwc1)
Toronto v Atlanta Clip 2 (https://streamable.com/xerkh)
Toronto v Atlanta Clip 3 (https://streamable.com/pdhac)
This is great play from Kenwyne, no doubt. But this is the only way we’ve seen him impact the game. We have not seen him run past defenders. So, with that in mind, how would Kenwyne’s ability affect the way Atlanta plays?
Tata Martino’s preference for fast strikers
Matthew Doyle, mlssoccer.com’s lead columnist, wrote an article specifically about Atlanta’s match last weekend against Toronto, calling it the game of the season. In that piece he specifically talks about how “pressing teams don’t like to be pressed” and he’s spot on. It’s a high-risk approach at times, but it can be effective if done properly. It even works outside of MLS, in leagues that don’t have the same kind of parity. For example, Mauricio Pochettino had relatively great success during his time at Espanyol against Barcelona employing his trademark pressing tactic. In 9 games, Espanyol won once and drew three times. (It’s important to remember that this was during Pep Guardiola’s peak at Barca, an era in which Messi & Co. were running riot through La Liga and UEFA Champions League). Sure, his team lost against the Catalan giants more often than not, but by putting pressure on Barcelona — Sergio Busquets in particular — the team had a fighting chance to win. Pressing teams don’t want to be pressed
In the match Saturday night, Toronto’s press proved effective in theory, but it didn’t provide cover for its center backs, facing one of the fastest players in MLS in Tito Villalba. Atlanta struggled to build from the back, but the team still nabbed two goals on long, direct play through the middle to Villalba running in behind.
Perhaps this is the reason why Martino wants a fast striker up top. It’s natural to expect Atlanta to take time in adapting to Martino’s preferred style, and this probably isn’t the last time we’ll see them struggle to pass the ball out of defense. The antidote to this, however, is to have a player like Villalba or Martinez who’s ready to strike quickly on the other end. This forces the opposition center backs to drop deeper (in effect creating wider spaces in midfield for Atlanta to play through), or leave themselves extremely vulnerable to long, direct passes to the striker.
And speaking of Martino’s preferred tactics, it’s important to remember that Jones signed with Atlanta before Tata Martino joined the club. Would Jones have been signed if Martino was already there? Does it even matter? Only time will tell.
The cost of keeping Jones on the bench
I’m not talking metaphorically here, I’m talking literal dollars and cents. Kenwyne Jones is rumored to be one of Atlanta United’s top earners in the $400k-$450k per year range. To have a player earn that much money and see the field as little as Jones has so far is a huge waste. On the other hand, if Jones were to have played every minute for Atlanta and the team had struggled to score goals, that would be an even bigger waste. If Darren Eales and Paul McDonough are to continue to build a squad that squeezes the maximum value out of every dollar they spend, something has to give. Either Jones needs to be used more in the squad (especially during times like these when injuries and suspensions are mounting), or they need to find a way to get him off the books. I think all of us Atlanta supporters would prefer the former, but it can’t be at the expense of the team’s performance.
What do you think? Will Kenwyne finally get a start this weekend while Yamil Asad serves his suspension? You’d think it would be the ideal time, but we’ve said that before...
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Skipper Jones first start and first goal of the season....min 40th with ah expert & very tidy finish...excellent stuff!
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ATL vs Montreal highlights
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_LCnz-jpm04
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WATCH: The Sports Inquirer went to the press conference of Atlanta United forward Kenwyne Jones after practice on April 18. He discussed the team's road loss to Montreal last week, MLS officiating with red cards, playing on the road for four straight weeks and finding playing time with the team.
https://www.youtube.com/v/AAnyugIAXao
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KJ is finding out that the US is a different kettle of fish as far as media questions etc.
But he is intelligent and accounts for himself well.
Wish him loads of success. Would like him to have a 2nd world cup ;D
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playing on the road for four straight weeks
Lot's of Euros, especially the English deride the MLS as bush league. But these the players come face to face with this kind of reality in US football. long distance travelling. Not a cozy 45 mins. coach drive from city to city.
But I read where their home field is not yet ready.
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Kenwyne Jones enjoying life in Atlanta
By Brittany Arnold (atlutd.com)
Atlanta United have been on the road for five of the seven matches played so far this season. A great scenario for building team chemistry but not ideal for acclimating to a new home. Kenwyne Jones, having traveled to Atlanta throughout his career for competitions like the Gold Cup, said it’s simple. We need more time here.
“To be quite honest I haven't had a lot of time to adjust, seeing that from preseason to international games to our recent travels, it’s been a little bit difficult. But from the little time I’ve had it’s been very nice. Atlanta is a very interesting place,” said Jones.
During his short time in Atlanta, Jones has been able to discover a few unique places in the city including the popular, Top Golf.
“A few times I’ve been to places like Top Golf, a few restaurants around the city,” said Jones. “I have quite a few friends out here, people I went to school with, so I have some people to go places with.”
While this may be a great starting point for Jones, he still has plenty to explore, but the site-seeing wasn't the only reason Jones was excited for the move.
“I’ve been a traveler for almost half of my life, I’ve been to Atlanta a couple of times in the Gold Cup tournaments but moving here was exciting: a new team, the history that goes along with that, and a plus is I am closer to home,” said Jones.
Atlanta United have been dealing with a lot of adjustment as a new expansion team, but you wouldn’t be able to tell judging from their performance together on the pitch. Getting to know the city will happen in due time, but for now, having an avid fan base like Atlanta has proven a major factor in making them feel right at home.
“I think the people of Atlanta, Georgia by extension, have been very welcoming. I’ve seen in the past on other MLS teams how fans receive their players and support the club, I didn’t expect what we’ve received here,” said Jones.
Accompanied by the fan’s raving support, the team will continue to feel the welcoming spirits, especially when they play in the fortress of their home.
“For the fans to be so supportive and so in-tune with the team is quite amazing,” Jones remarked. “To see the home crowd is amazing for me personally, and I hope it doesn’t die down. I hope that we always have full support throughout this season and seasons to come.”
Jones and his teammates will have plenty of time to get to know Atlanta, but what he knows in this very moment is that the people of Atlanta are setting the bar very high in regards to league support.
“I know the people of Atlanta are very excited about our team and I hope this franchise can set the bar for fan support for years and years to come,” said Jones.
Atlanta United are currently enjoying a week at home in the ATL following a four-match road stretch in the last month. So this Sunday’s sold out match in Bobby Dodd Stadium against D.C. United will act as a “homecoming” for a team that is just seven games into its inaugural season.
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WATCH: Kenwyne Jones amores his second goal of the season in Atlanta United’s 3-1 loss to DC United
https://www.youtube.com/v/8sesgQxTPtc?start=60
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WATCH: ESPN FC’s Shaka Hislop, Herculez Gomez, and Alexis Nunes discuss Kenwyne Jones’ role at Atlanta United (http://www.espnfc.com/major-league-soccer/19/video/3119194/caribbean-corner-kenwyne-jones-role-in-atlanta)
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With Josef Martinez still out, Atlanta leaning on Kenwyne Jones at striker
By Eric Quintana (MLSsoccer.com)
In Josef Martinez’s absence, Atlanta United have consistently called upon Kenwyne Jones to play in the lone striker position favored by head coach Tata Martino.
Despite Jones and Martinez being two completely different players with unique skillsets, Martino has been adamant that Atlanta will continue to look to build out of the back and quickly break teams down on the run regardless of which striker is starting.
“When we have Kenwyne playing, he’s very good in the air and we try and take advantage of his physicality and ability to win balls in the air,” Martino said on Thursday. “Josef, when he plays, not only is he a great finisher but he’s also able to participate in the team’s movements and can circulate the ball.”
The Trinidadian has started the last four matches, scoring two goals and adding an aerial presence to a pacey attack. But in those four games, Atlanta have looked less dangerous than they did with Martinez in the lineup, scoring only a goal per game and losing three of four.
“I don’t think it’s any different. If it looks any different that’s because players themselves choose to do something different,” Jones said.
Martinez has already passed the six-week timeline initially established by the club for his return after he suffered a leg injury during international duty in March. Martino says he’ll stick with one center forward once Martinez does return.
“When both players were healthy and able to train and play, Martinez was the starter and Jones was on the bench,” Martino said. “Outside of special circumstances in which we use both players, what we’ll keep doing is play with one lone center forward.”
Tito Villalba has been the third option as a lone striker, with speed matching or exceeding Martinez's that could present a similar danger to opposing backlines. Villalba scored two goals against Toronto in his best game as a lone striker, and created dangerous opportunities against Seattle.
“I think the team adapts to whoever is playing in that position and, right now, Kenwyne is occupying that position,” Villalba said.
Martino seems in no particular hurry to rush Martinez back despite the recent attacking struggles.
“He’s been out for a number of weeks now. So, we’re going to be have careful and it’ll probably be a progression to get him back into the lineup,” Martino said.
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Thanks for you service Carlos
You too Kenwyne
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Thanks for you service Carlos
You too Kenwyne
Need to reiterate this again. Team looks much better without them.
Thank you fellas you've done yeoman service
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Thanks for you service Carlos
You too Kenwyne
Need to reiterate this again. Team looks much better without them.
Thank you fellas you've done yeoman service
nah man boatswain first touch, hold up play and positional sense was atrocious at best diabolical at worst
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Thanks for you service Carlos
You too Kenwyne
Need to reiterate this again. Team looks much better without them.
Thank you fellas you've done yeoman service
Stop smoking crack. No way this team looks anything near better without KJ. Allyuh must learn to put bias aside and be objective sometimes.
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Thanks for you service Carlos
You too Kenwyne
Need to reiterate this again. Team looks much better without them.
Thank you fellas you've done yeoman service
Stop smoking crack. No way this team looks anything near better without KJ. Allyuh must learn to put bias aside and be objective sometimes.
Are you sure I'm the one smoking crack? Look at your statement, it is more inferential of bias than mine. Anyway up until recently I was an advocate of KJ but the reality of late is that he doesn't bring anything of value on the field.
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Thanks for you service Carlos
You too Kenwyne
Need to reiterate this again. Team looks much better without them.
Thank you fellas you've done yeoman service
Stop smoking crack. No way this team looks anything near better without KJ. Allyuh must learn to put bias aside and be objective sometimes.
Are you sure I'm the one smoking crack? Look at your statement, it is more inferential of bias than mine. Anyway up until recently I was an advocate of KJ but the reality of late is that he doesn't bring anything of value on the field.
More nonsense. On defensive set pieces he organizes the team and 80% of the time is the first head on the ball clearing it. That is very valuable. In fact I am of the opinion that the opening goal in CR doesn't score from a corner with KJ in the lineup. His hold up play is second to none on that team. Neither Botswain or any other forward option can deliver that. Value! His areal ability is the best in CONCACAF. It's not his fault that the team doesn't deploy this particular weapon often. Which other forward option can threaten opponents and potentially outjump keepers? My response is not about bias it's about recognized value. Even Carlos still has some value left in terms of overall football IQ and defensive positioning. I guess lucky for us you not the coach ::)
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Thanks for you service Carlos
You too Kenwyne
Need to reiterate this again. Team looks much better without them.
Thank you fellas you've done yeoman service
Stop smoking crack. No way this team looks anything near better without KJ. Allyuh must learn to put bias aside and be objective sometimes.
Are you sure I'm the one smoking crack? Look at your statement, it is more inferential of bias than mine. Anyway up until recently I was an advocate of KJ but the reality of late is that he doesn't bring anything of value on the field.
More nonsense. On defensive set pieces he organizes the team and 80% of the time is the first head on the ball clearing it. That is very valuable. In fact I am of the opinion that the opening goal in CR doesn't score from a corner with KJ in the lineup. His hold up play is second to none on that team. Neither Botswain or any other forward option can deliver that. Value! His areal ability is the best in CONCACAF. It's not his fault that the team doesn't deploy this particular weapon often. Which other forward option can threaten opponents and potentially outjump keepers? My response is not about bias it's about recognized value. Even Carlos still has some value left in terms of overall football IQ and defensive positioning. I guess lucky for us you not the coach ::)
agree with this. d only thing I does take issue with, is he does shutdown too quick when an attack breakdown....US second goal started with him taking a poor shot that got deflected, then not pressing d defense to get it back or buy time for our defense to reorganize....u don't just stop playin when/where he stop playin.......and YES he simply stopped!!!!! even continuing to track ball, even if not aggressively, would have helped
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So our #9 ......our target player player...... serves the team best on set pieces and defensive organization..... lol
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So our #9 ......our target player player...... serves the team best on set pieces and defensive organization..... lol
You must have something personal with him because unless football terminology change "hold up play ability" and aerial prowess are 2 of the main characteristics required of a target man.
Who do you have to reccomend that can do those things even half as well as him?
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So our #9 ......our target player player...... serves the team best on set pieces and defensive organization..... lol
really dude? I would go out on a limb to say that if Kenny was not injured in that game with martinuque we would have been in the gold cup and had he not been injured on tuesday we would have left Costa Rica with some points probably all of it because Costa Rica was ripe for a beating, sadly boatswain couldn't jump high enough to connect with some of those perfect crosses neither could he stay onside long enough to save his skin.
not knocking the lad kudos to him he was very impressive particularly playing on this level for the first time but Kenny would have at least buried one of those chances that that boatswain and arcia missed.
most of us tend not to see the input of hyland kenwin and molino but in reality those guys put in a lot of work a lot of running particularly movement off the ball. a friend of mine who works for the pro league informed me tat Carlos Edwards is the best and fittest defender in the pro league, and at 38. Now you do the math. Rafa Marquez still has a role in the mexican national team so does Bryan ruiz in costa Rica and the other Ruiz in guatemala, so why throw away a perfectly good player because of age?
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I just hope that when the next wcq campaign comes along, that KJ is still available.. Right now I dont see anyone capable of replacing him.
CBs in Concacaf hate having him as an assignment. . Trust meh
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I just hope that when the next wcq campaign comes along, that KJ is still available.. Right now I dont see anyone capable of replacing him.
CBs in Concacaf hate having him as an assignment. . Trust meh
KJ is by far the most under appreciated footballer in T&T history
That by itself is a serious indictment of the footballing IQ of many T&T football "fans"
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He eh have no beats, tho.
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He eh have no beats, tho.
this made me chuckle. Also, i'm going to have to agree with Palos. He's definitely made into a scape goat for a lot of other issues with the team.
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I just hope that when the next wcq campaign comes along, that KJ is still available.. Right now I dont see anyone capable of replacing him.
CBs in Concacaf hate having him as an assignment. . Trust meh
KJ is by far the most under appreciated footballer in T&T history
That by itself is a serious indictment of the footballing IQ of many T&T football "fans"
You can't blame KJ for a green coach
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Some here need to review tape ...before committing thier fingers to publish nonsense
To many agendas..which are not in the NT best interest
Go review some tape and come again and review the nonsensical statements being made
You only miss the water when the well run dry
Talk done
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Unlike some of our past striker, KJ was never a great dribbler. In tight spaces he is suspect. But his other attributes far outweigh that other limitation. He is a great header of the ball, both offensively and defensively. He always pose a threat to defenders. He can be clinical at times. The goal he scored in Guatemala. A quarter chance I called it. I think that goal have us in this hexagonal right now. The problem with KJ is the lack of a strong midfield. He does not get consistent service. Plus most time we playing one man up front. It is quite obvious he struggles on most occasions.
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How many target players have dribbling as their first action of resort? You need your target to be economical and effective in movement, bring others into the attack and occupy the GK and defenders. Dribbling is only helpful for penetration, but by the time your target gets the ball, that is/should mostly be resolved. Again, look at Zlatan.
In any event, KJ may not "beats" but he can shake. Shouldn't have to be said. In that inspired game he had at the HCS v Panama, he dropped his shoulder, sold the opponent and kept the ball circulating ... it was an occasion on which he came to meet the ball at the top of the middle third. That aspect caught my attention.
Go back and read the first few posts on this thread from a decade ago. Eye-opening stuff.
I understand what MEP is conveying, but I doh necessarily agree the team played better without KJ. I would say they played differently.
There's much that could be fixed.
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How many target players have dribbling as their first action of resort? You need your target to be economical and effective in movement, bring others into the attack and occupy the GK and defenders. Dribbling is only helpful for penetration, but by the time your target gets the ball, that is/should mostly be resolved. Again, look at Zlatan.
In any event, KJ may not "beats" but he can shake. Shouldn't have to be said. In that inspired game he had at the HCS v Panama, he dropped his shoulder, sold the opponent and kept the ball circulating ... it was an occasion on which he came to meet the ball at the top of the middle third. That aspect caught my attention.
Go back and read the first few posts on this thread from a decade ago. Eye-opening stuff.
I understand what MEP is conveying, but I doh necessarily agree the team played better without KJ. I would say they played differently.
There's much that could be fixed.
And that right there is the key. There was a difference in approach which I think was a result of Botswain not having the same tools in his arsenal. I feel if KJ get 3 good balls in the air per game he will score at least 1. The man is a monster header and for whatever reason we can't seem to consistently use that threat. Look at that ball Hyland floated in there in Colorado. KJ climb the ladder to get it and had Howard been indecisive or hesitate just slightly on his challenge for it KJ was more than likely putting that in the net. I guess his limitations as it pertains to tricks make him a very unattractive footballer in our culture. Meanwhile none of the best teams in CONCACAF would reject a player of his abilities if they had him. We on the other hand seem like we can't wait to be rid of him, only to be replaced by who? Glenn, Cesar, Botswain, etc. Yeah that makes loads of sense ::)
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Scorpion,like I pointed out, our lacked of consistent midfield play is the main cause of KJ inabilities when playing for TT. We get a stronger midfield, story done.
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People forget that KJ started as a great youth defender in our youth teams (U17 and U19) and was converted to a forward while in the England First division. I think that if we could find a potent striker, he will be invaluable on this, not very deep, team as a holding midfielder. Till then he is still one of the best options we have up front with his strength and ability to use his head (no pun intended).
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At his age, I don't think he has the legs to be a holding midfielder. Maybe 3 or 4 years ago. But we never really know until we try it.
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T&T looked different without skipper Jones says Look Loy.
By Joel Bailey (Newsday).
KENWYNE JONES’ injury and subsequent replacement by Jamille Boatswain, moments before the start of last Tuesday’s 2018 FIFA World Cup CONCACAF Zone Final Round qualifier between Trinidad and Tobago and Costa Rica, may have seen TT attacking qualities more frequently throughout the game, according to ex-national youth team coach Keith Look Loy.
T&T were beaten 2-1 at the Costa Rica National Stadium in San Jose, but Look Loy pointed out that the absence of Jones, the national captain and striker, saw the speedy Boatswain, as well as midfielders Kevin Molino, Joevin Jones and Nathan Lewis, in use more often than the Costa Ricans would have anticipated.
“We saw a hint of the potential of this team when we play with an approach that I think is more natural and more rationale, given the abilities and the strengths of our players, which is quick counter-attacks into the spaces, along the sides of the pitch and behind the opposing defence,” said Look Loy, during a recent interview.
“The injury to Kenwyne Jones, and I hope he’s alright, gave the opportunity for us to play without him,” he continued. “I have been saying that successive coaches should have been doing so for years now. We looked dangerous when we allowed our players to run.
“When we’re playing with Kenwyne Jones, and his hold-up play, the attack is static, even stagnant.
When we were able to release men on the sides of the pitch and release Boatswain up front, we created panic in the Costa Rican team.” Commenting on the match itself, Look Loy, who is also the president of the Trinidad and Tobago Super League, as well as coach of FC Santa Rosa, noted, “We should not have lost.
“We should have at least drawn (but) didn’t, if only because the assistant referee, who was probably no more than 15 yards away, with a clear sight-line, didn’t give what was an obvious penalty (against Boatswain in the 51st minute).
“These things happen in football, as hard as they are to stomach.” But Look Loy pointed out, “The reason why we lost the game was because (of) a very poor defensive performance that allowed two goals, too much space allowed to opponents, in and around the penalty area, and they penalised us for it.” On the flip side, he said, “We got a favour from Honduras with that (2-2) draw in Panama City.
Panama haven’t been going very well and they have been dropping points at home, where we have to go. I never give up and I believe we must fight till the end.
“I think with changes in formation and changes in selection, and if we get all points in Panama (and at home to) Honduras, and all points against the United States, that would give us 12. Call me a dreamer, I have not given up hope as yet.”
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and these are the people who control football in this country? how convenient an observation from a man who should know better. seems to me that mr lok Loy has a case of amnesia especially when we could not even get passed Grenada with this speedy squad he speaks of.
we also fell to the haitians without jones so did the martiniqans getting booted out both the copa centinario and the gold cup, and fell to the haitians again when we failed to clinch the fifth spot right at home in our own back yard.
another thing lok Loy conveniently forgot to reiterate was the fact that we loss that game in Costa Rica 2 goals to 1, one goal coming from a set piece which im sure had jones been on the pitch would not have scored and the crosses that boatswain could not get on to jones would have buried. since when playing well and losing was an option especially when we desperately needs points to stay in the hunt? only in trinidad people are contented with mediocrity.
mr lok Loy also failed to realize that jones is the fastest player on our team, where do people get the idea that jones is slow? in the EPL he was recorded as the 3rd fastest player in the league. he also occupies two defensive players sometimes three depending on the team which free up other attackers to have clear looks on goal, but these attackers often miss their chances and fail to covert, that's not jone's fault. goes to show how much these petty small minded football gurus in TT really know about the sport
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mr lok Loy also failed to realize that jones is the fastest player on our team, where do people get the idea that jones is slow? in the EPL he was recorded as the 3rd fastest player in the league.
I agree with your general sentiments, but this part was when he was younger and before the knee injury. KJ ain't too fast no more.
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mr lok Loy also failed to realize that jones is the fastest player on our team, where do people get the idea that jones is slow? in the EPL he was recorded as the 3rd fastest player in the league.
I agree with your general sentiments, but this part was when he was younger and before the knee injury. KJ ain't too fast no more.
beg to differ mate. Kenny came into the league with sunderland in 2007 and got injured a year later in a friendly where calamity james wrecked his knee. a year or two later i saw him in action at villa park where big John carew had his hands full with the runs down the line and the middle blowing passed everyone, he may have lost a step or two but he is still very fast.
his opening game at stoke which I believe was vs hull city where he blew passed everyone which saw his shot sliding off the cross bar the commentators and fans alike were in awe of how easily he blew passed his markers and was very unlucky not to score.
as for all the KJ detractors, until Jovin, molino and boatswain go to europe and average 12 goals a season and the same number of assist, then they should zip it and I am no kenwin jones supporter. IMO he could have worked on some of the most important aspects of his game which would have made him a super star, but instead became complaisant like every other TT player who opted for chasing skirt and the night life.
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beg to differ mate. Kenny came into the league with sunderland in 2007 and got injured a year later in a friendly where calamity james wrecked his knee. a year or two later i saw him in action at villa park where big John carew had his hands full with the runs down the line and the middle blowing passed everyone, he may have lost a step or two but he is still very fast.
his opening game at stoke which I believe was vs hull city where he blew passed everyone which saw his shot sliding off the cross bar the commentators and fans alike were in awe of how easily he blew passed his markers and was very unlucky not to score.
as for all the KJ detractors, until Jovin, molino and boatswain go to europe and average 12 goals a season and the same number of assist, then they should zip it and I am no kenwin jones supporter. IMO he could have worked on some of the most important aspects of his game which would have made him a super star, but instead became complaisant like every other TT player who opted for chasing skirt and the night life.
You eh easy nah. Yuh givin with one hand and takin away with the other easy easy :rotfl:
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mr lok Loy also failed to realize that jones is the fastest player on our team, where do people get the idea that jones is slow? in the EPL he was recorded as the 3rd fastest player in the league.
I agree with your general sentiments, but this part was when he was younger and before the knee injury. KJ ain't too fast no more.
beg to differ mate. Kenny came into the league with sunderland in 2007 and got injured a year later in a friendly where calamity james wrecked his knee. a year or two later i saw him in action at villa park where big John carew had his hands full with the runs down the line and the middle blowing passed everyone, he may have lost a step or two but he is still very fast.
his opening game at stoke which I believe was vs hull city where he blew passed everyone which saw his shot sliding off the cross bar the commentators and fans alike were in awe of how easily he blew passed his markers and was very unlucky not to score.
as for all the KJ detractors, until Jovin, molino and boatswain go to europe and average 12 goals a season and the same number of assist, then they should zip it and I am no kenwin jones supporter. IMO he could have worked on some of the most important aspects of his game which would have made him a super star, but instead became complaisant like every other TT player who opted for chasing skirt and the night life.
Life is short, people have to enjoy life too brother lol
I agree fully with you on your above statements, a rarity but it was spot on..
People underestimate jones and what he brings, Hart saw this and utilized it, Tallest following orders, so we won't see his best efforts for Trinidad and Tobago currently... plus he's green and doesn't have the guts to try what Hart tried nor can he under the sabotage of the dictator
Jones was collateral damage of Hart and his departure
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Let me refresh some memories- What we are saying about KJ , we said the same thing about Stern John.
I would hate to be a striker playing for T&T. He gets blamed for everything. Now if the midfield is not providing for the lone striker, what is the poor man to do when he is isolated most of the time. KJ strength is his head and he needs to get some decent crosses in the box to be effective.
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So I finally getting a Atlanta game broadcast live... no KJ even on the bench.. and ah so blight, they playing Orlando, and Molina fun gone. Way
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Man, like we Trini friggin BLIGHT. Kevin should be on that Orlando team. But the coach think differently.
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So I finally getting a Atlanta game broadcast live... no KJ even on the bench.. and ah so blight, they playing Orlando, and Molina fun gone. Way
KJ injured
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Atlanta pip Orlando 1-0.
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So Atlanta drop 7 on the Revs, all of ah sudden my boy might get ah treatment
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5yt849wJyVk
And Molino not in lineup for Min.. salt for we this year
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WATCH: Atlanta United striker, Kenwyne Jones tells CNN's Patrick Snell how special the team's debut season has been in the MLS. (http://edition.cnn.com/videos/sports/2017/10/04/football-mls-atlanta-united-kenwyne-jones.cnn)
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Atlanta United declines contract option on Kenwyne Jones (https://www.atlutd.com/post/2017/11/20/atlanta-united-announce-year-end-roster-moves)
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Kenwyne retires (https://twitter.com/kenwynejonestt/status/932696745380929536)
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Kenwyne retires (https://twitter.com/kenwynejonestt/status/932696745380929536)
Thanks for your service :applause: :notworthy: :salute:
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Kenwyne retires (https://twitter.com/kenwynejonestt/status/932696745380929536)
Will surely miss your leadership and seeing you on the field of play. Guatemala thanks you ;)
You have at least two more solid years in you breads.. . .but you will know best.
All the best
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Bless Kenwyne!!! Only Yorke name could mention next to yours when it come to Trini ballers reaching the highest heights. You carry we football on your back since 2006 WC, and since you gone we cyah see we way. True fans just thankful for you Kenwyn. Blessings in whatever next. *grateful*
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Thanks for the great years and moments
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Thank you Mr Jones for your service
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Congrats. Did a lot for TT. Good luck on your new endeavors. God Bless.
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Thanks for everything Skipper. All the best in the future.
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Congrats KJ on a fantastic career, you played at the heights many could only dream of. Thanks for representing and being there for T&T throughout the ups and downs, wish all the best in your next chapter :salute:
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Unless the injury taking it’s toll, I still think he can lead us to positive results, in spite of his age.
This guy have stuff he hasn’t tapped in to yet, due to the requirements of his job. I hope he gets to discover it.
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Sad news..
The dictator and his sabotage contributed to this...
I wish him the best
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Kenwyne Jones hangs up his boots.
By Stephon Nicholas (Newsday).
Former national football captain Kenwyne Jones will hang up his boots at the end of the year. Jones was released by his Major League Soccer (MLS) club Atlanta United yesterday, and the dreadlocked striker, in an immediate response, posted on Twitter:
“Football has been great to me, I thank everyone who has helped me on the way, I appreciate you, but this is my last year in the sport.”
Jones, just 33 years old, in an Instagram post, thanked several of the clubs he has played for in a professional career which spanned 15 years and saw him play in five countries.
“Never have I ever imagined that a little boy from Trinidad and Tobago would have become a note in the world of football, I wanna than everyone that helped me along (the) way, from every piece of advice to every critic and well wisher, thank you,” he said.
Jones, born in Point Fortin, began turning heads in the Secondary Schools Football League (SSFL) as a dominant force with St Anthony’s College. He made his pro debut with Joe Public before shifting to W Connection and then moving to Southampton in England, quickly making a name for himself as a scoring threat. He played the English Premier league with Sunderland, Stoke City and Cardiff and had stints with Bournemouth, Al Jazira, Central FC and then Atlanta United.
“‘My decision to retire from playing has not been an easy one for me but having thought about it at length, and having discussed it with those closest to me, I believe that now is the right time to move on to the next chapter in my life and career,” Jones said yesterday.
Jones was named Trinidad and Tobago Footballer of the Year in 2007, 2010 and 2013.
He was named Sunderland Player of the Year in 2007/2008 as well as Players’ Player of the Year that same season.
Jones played in two World Cups – the 2001 FIFA Under 17 Men’s World Cup in T&T and the 2006 World Cup Finals in Germany. He appeared in three Concacaf Gold Cups in 2005, 2013 and 2015.
“I feel incredibly honoured and proud to have enjoyed the career I’ve had and I’ve loved every moment of it, being part of history and playing before fans of my country and the different teams I represented. It has been a huge distinction to captain my national team both at the senior and youth level and these were some of the best years of my life.”
Speaking to Newsday yesterday, former national player Brent Sancho, who competed alongside Jones at the 2006 World Cup in Germany, expressed shock at Jones’ decision.
“I’m really shocked to see that. I know Atlanta wasn’t picking up his option but I don’t think that’s reason to retire,” said the Central FC owner. Sancho heaped praise on Jones for his deportment and believes he still has a lot of football in him still.
“Without a doubt, we had him at Central FC and I thought he was an absolute professional in the way he carried about himself. On and off the pitch he was a handful. He scored a number of goals for us and he can still definitely ply his trade at any of the leagues with his ability. He many not be able to play a leading role as before, but he can play a role,” he said.
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Ex-Soca Warriors captain Kenwyne Jones retires after parting ways with Atlanta Utd.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868.com).
Former Trinidad and Tobago National Senior Team captain Kenwyne Jones announced his retirement from football today, after a one-year stint with United States Major League Soccer (MLS) outfit, Atlanta United FC. The MLS website stated Atlanta did not renew Jones’ deal although the player explained that he retired first.
At just 33, Jones played professionally in four different countries and, most memorably, represented three England Premier League clubs: Southampton, Sunderland and Stoke City.
Jones also featured at two international FIFA tournaments, playing at the 2001 Under-17 World Cup—hosted by Trinidad and Tobago—and the Germany 2006 World Cup in which the Soca Warriors made Trinidad and Tobago the smallest country ever to play at that level.
“Football has been great to me, I thank everyone who has helped me on the way,” said Jones, via Twitter. “I appreciate you, but this is my last year in the sport.”
Jones, a former St Anthony’s College student, gave a roll call of his former overseas employers and thanked everyone who had given him a chance and supported him when he needed it.
“For the times I’ve had at the clubs, you’ve embraced me and I love you for it,” said Jones. “This is my last year in the sport and I’ll be forever grateful. But most of all, I wanna [thank] the Almighty God for life, health and strength and also the gift that he gave me to play this game.
“My family thank you for sticking it out with me.”
Jones’ international career spanned 17 years, starting with his bow, at the age of 16, as a reluctant defender under then National Under-17 coach Chief Adegboye Onigbinde. The nephew of former Strike Squad forward Philbert “Pamo” Jones, he always had his heart set on playing at the other end of the field and the debate about his best role for Trinidad and Tobago has raged ever since.
The tall, strapping, versatile player got his first taste of senior international football as a wing-back for Hannibal Najjar while Bertille St Clair once tried him as a holding midfielder. Leo Beenhakker eventually gave Jones his first start up front although he often utilised him on the flank with Trinidad and Tobago record scorer Stern John considered indispensable as a striker at the time.
When Marvin Andrews was ruled out through injury, Beenhakker even considered returning Jones to central defence—ahead of Brent Sancho—for Trinidad and Tobago’s World Cup opener against Sweden. But the former Real Madrid coach decided it was too risky to entrust the task of closing down Sweden star Zlatan Ibrahimovic a make-shift defender.
Jones became a regular on top for Sunderland following the World Cup after, ironically, replacing John at the Premier League club. And his early form earned rave reviews from then Chelsea and England captain John Terry, who called him unbeatable in the air.
Jones played exclusively as a forward for Trinidad and Tobago after that although the results were mixed until TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee hired Stephen Hart as head coach.
Jones’ scoring return in attacking roles read: two goals from 14 appearances under Beenhakker, one goal in two appearances under Wim Rijsbergen, one goal in six appearances for Francisco Maturana, zero goals in seven appearances for Russell Latapy, three goals from four appearances under Otto Pfister and zero goals from three appearances under the joint stewardship of Hutson “Barber” Charles and Jamaal Shabazz.
It was a combined seven goals from 36 outings.
Under Hart, who gave Jones the captain’s armband and made him the focal point of a strategy that focused on counter-attacks and set pieces, he scored 11 times from his first 26 games as Trinidad and Tobago soared up the FIFA rankings and managed successive quarterfinal finishes at the 2013 and 2015 Gold Cups.
However, critics might remember Jones’ run of one goal—against St Vincent and the Grenadines—from his last eight games under Hart, which coincided with a team slump that ultimately led to the coach’s dismissal. But there were mitigating circumstances.
In January 2016, Jones quit then England Championship club, Cardiff City, to try his hand with Al Jazeera in the United Arab Emirates. That July, he returned to Trinidad to represent Pro League club, Central FC.
His lone goal in 2016 came while employed by Al Jazeera but he failed to score from six international games while at the “Couva Sharks” and a noticeable decline in his fitness, coupled with injuries, made him a scapegoat for irate Warriors fans.
Jones moved to new MLS franchise, Atlanta United, at the start of 2017 but it was the club’s technical director Carlos Bocanegra who hired the Trinidadian and not their Argentine coach Gerardo Martino, whose tenure began later.
Jones was never first choice for Martino and scored twice in 17 appearances for the club. During that period, he made six appearances under new national coach Dennis Lawrence and failed to get on the score-sheet for any.
Omitted by Lawrence once the Warriors were eliminated from the Russia World Cup campaign, Jones decided to call it a day when he was waived by Martino.
His final international record read 23 goals from 90 appearances. He was Trinidad and Tobago Footballer of the Year in 2007, 2010 and 2013, Sunderland Player of the Year and Players’ Player of the Year in 2007/08 and Secondary Schools Football League (SSFL) MVP in 2002.
Kenwyne Jones media statement:
“My decision to retire from playing has not been an easy one for me but having thought about it at length, and having discussed it with those closest to me, I believe that now is the right time to move on to the next chapter in my life and career.
“I feel incredibly honoured and proud to have enjoyed the career I’ve had and I’ve loved every moment of it, being part of history and playing before fans of my country and the different teams I represented.
“It has been a huge distinction to captain my national team both at the senior and youth level and these were some of the best years of my life. I’ve been privileged to play the game with and be involved in football with people from all different races, religions and backgrounds working together for one shared goal.
“The core values that I have learnt during this chapter are some of the most important you can learn in life. I take this opportunity to wish everyone I have worked with and played alongside as well against the best in the game and in their careers. Love and Respect to you all.”
Last kick for Kenwyne.
T&T Guardian Reports.
Kenwyne Jones will hang up his boots at the end of the year, blowing the final whistle on a career that has spanned close to two decades.
His announcement came via social media, not long after Atlanta United, the Major League Soccer club he plays for in America, announced it would not be renewing his contract.
Jones said in a release, “My decision to retire from playing has not been an easy one for me but having thought about it at length… I believe that now is the right time to move on to the next chapter in my life...”
His social media posts attracted reactions from footballers across the globe. His former team-mate at Sunderland Anton Ferdinand said on Twitter, “…congratulations on a great career thank you for the battles we had and thank you for the memories.”
Former Manchester United defender Fabio said, “all the best in your future my friend.”
T&T’s Shahdon Winchester said, “It was a pleasure skip all the best in your future endeavours.”
Jones played 90 times for T&T, scoring 23 goals. He was named T&T Footballer of the Year in 2007, 2010 and 2013. He also played in the 2001 FIFA Under 17 Men’s World Cup in T&T and the 2006 World Cup Finals in Germany.
He appeared in three CONCACAF Gold Cups in 2005, 2013 and 2015.
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Respek skip :beermug:
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Wow! Will miss seeing our skipper do all the thankless dirty work and the acrobatics after scoring. A consummate professional on the pitch even when his role and responsibilities were not glamorous. An absolute beast when bearing down on a header one on one with a goal keeper. All the best Captain KJ!
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Thanks Kenwyne! You did what most couldn't and always with decency. You were a worthy leader and a patriot. You are a true Trini to the Bone! Blessing in the next step of your life.
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KJ thanks for your service, very few get to play in the EPL and have the life you have had. Most have no idea how difficult it was to achieve what you have achieved. Much success in your next endeavors, hoping that you remain in football in some capacity.
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WATCH: Kenwyne Jones' decision to hang up his boots has taken many by surprise, but one of his former coaches, Nigel “Grovy” Grosvenor, believes it was the right decision.
https://www.youtube.com/v/Y_Ur3fpEtQw
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Lawrence: Jones a phenomenal servant.
T&T Guardian Reports.
T&T head coach Dennis Lawrence has praised retiring footballer Kenwyne Jones as a “phenomenal servant” to his country and to the sport. Lawrence said he enjoyed working with Jones as a player and then working with him as a coach.
Jones could find himself now working with Lawrence off the field. The T&T coach told Guardian Media Sports yesterday, “It’s not just about being on the football pitch. People play different roles and sometimes it’s off the football pitch. Kenwyne has a unanimous amount of experience and it’s something he can pass on to this generation so as long as Kenwyne is around and willing, he will always have a part to play with me because I think we cannot afford to let these type of people walk out of our football.”
Lawrence also contributed to the ongoing debate about the legacy Jones leaves in international football. He dismissed the notion that the striker underachieved in his career.
He said, “He played the highest level you could get in world football. This guy has been involved in the English Premier League, he’s been at a World Cup and he’s done himself no in-favours whatsoever so I think he’s done well and I’m delighted for him. We need to focus on every positive thing he’s done for himself, he’s done for T&T football and let that be the legacy that Kenwyne has left.”
Former T&T footballer Alvin Corneal also had similar thoughts regarding Jones’ legacy. He said the former T&T captain cannot be labelled an underachiever otherwise he wouldn’t still be in the professional game now, plying his trade for Atlanta United in Major League Soccer.
“He played the best he can,” Corneal said. “He was in a number of good teams. He was in the 2001 youth team and then he was in the 2006 World Cup and a number of other CONCACAF and World Cup qualifiers so he has achieved his goal.”
Corneal went on, “He may not have scored the number of goals he would have liked to have done. He may not have had the consistency that he would have liked to have done but that happens in the lives of most players.” Corneal says he continues to admire Jones for standing tall, fighting his way through his career and being a leader.
The former T&T player said Jones perhaps chose now to retire because he was probably getting a little bit tired of it and his mental focus might have been deteriorating as well. Corneal concluded, “If his mindset is that then there is no point staying on.
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All the best skipper and thanks for all your years of service
Thanks for doing a thankless job..you did it with pride diginity and you will always have my respect...arise all Warriors for a truely great one has given all that he possessed
Rastafari
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KJ had an exceptional career. Well done, Sir, and thank you for flying the red, white & black proudly!
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There is much to admire about Kenwyne Jones' career and how he represented T&T. Decent, respectful, intelligent, articulate, and effective.
When used under Hart (Who structured the team to play to his strengths) he scored the goals we knew he could score, and he made those around him play better.
Will miss his presence on the T&T team
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EL CAPITAN :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: so under appreciated at times during his career but always served when called
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Jones hailed as ‘tremendous servant’
By Joel Bailey (T&T Newsday)
Sancho, Eve pay tribute to ex-TT football captain
Former national players Brent Sancho and Angus believe Trinidad and Tobago should remember their ex-teammate Kenwyne Jones as a true patriot and servant to this country.
Jones announced his retirement on Monday after his MLS club, Atlanta United, decided not to take up their option on his contract.
Jones, 33, a former national captain said quitting was not an easy decision but after discussing it with those close to him, he decided it was time to hang up his boots. Sancho, who played alongside Jones at the 2006 World Cup, and brought him in on loan at his club Central FC last year, hailed the commitment Jones displayed to the red, white and black.
“His (greatest) memory is his commitment to the country. When you look at how many years he’s represented his country, he’s never shun his responsibility in coming home. At the height of his profession, he was playing in the (English) Premiership and he still would make his trip to come back and play on every occasion given. It’s very rare you see a player of that magnitude and has that star power that is always willing to represent Trinidad and Tobago. That commitment really sticks out in my memory of Kenwyne Jones,” Sancho said.
Sancho believed Jones’ legacy as a top striker in the CONCACAF region is cemented given his aerial prowess which proved an asset to TT.
“He’s always been a threat. When you speak to other CONCACAF nations and you listen to people outside Trinidad and Tobago speak about him, and the fear that he strikes in a lot of team’s minds, you’d have to say he was our danger man throughout his career,” he said.
With a record of 23 goals in 82 games, ranking him sixth on the all-time scoring list for TT, Sancho and Eve acknowledge Jones should have scored more goals for TT but neither blamed him for it.
“In terms of his game, he may have wanted to score more goals for his country, Sancho said, “When you look at the way he played, he did not have the kind of support that maybe others had in the past. He was asked to lead the line many times on his own. In terms of goalscoring opportunities, he’s not a creator of his own opportunities but he wasn’t supplied enough to score.”
Asked why Jones became such a polarising figure in TT football with a number of people clamouring for him to be dropped even though ex-TT coach Stephen Hart placed the utmost faith in him as captain, Eve said:
“He is not one of the natural strikers that we would normally have. He is big, he’s robust, he likes to head the ball, and we weren’t accustomed to those type of strikers. We were more accustomed to those fleet-footed strikers, players who run and dribble the ball and those type of exciting players. He is not built in that mould, his skillset was not made in that way. I also think the national teams did not play to his strengths – they did not have natural wingers and give him the service that he would like or have some striker play around him so they can pick up the ball after a flick. It’s our fault that he didn’t show his true prowess.”
Eve, a former national captain, described Jones as “a tremendous servant to the country” and feels he should be given a testimonial match to celebrate his career. “All national players who would have served (deserve it) but unfortunately we don’t really do it. There’s a number of national players should have gotten and Kenwyne is one of those who should get, but the past doesn’t tell me he will get one,” Eve said.
Eve, who holds the record for most caps – 117 – said injury may have played a big part in Jones deciding to walk away from the game.
“It’s unfortunate. I think it’s due to injury he is bowing out. I know athletes want to bow out on a higher note, but I think God has given him a lot of blessings in his life. To play at Premier League level is not easy to do. Very few Trinidadians have had that opportunity. Congratulations to him on all he has done and accomplished and we should celebrate him a a country.”
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Yes. Hart was able to pull the best out of Jones. They both respect each other tremendously.
I think if the right opportunity had come from an MLS franchise, Jones wouldnt have retired. Atlanta turned out to have a great season despite losing in the playoffs. It was hard for him to win a spot over the Venezuelan. Another MLS team would have probably been more of a benefit to him. I'm sure there are MLS clubs that would still give him a try out.
The national team will miss him when they need him the MOST. I hope someone can step up to the plate and be the new KJ.
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I think KJ may have some type of foot injury that is hampering effective mobility. So he decided to call it quits. He is not that old. Wasn't DY his agw when he went to the WC in 2006?
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I think KJ may have some type of foot injury that is hampering effective mobility. So he decided to call it quits. He is not that old. Wasn't DY his agw when he went to the WC in 2006?
I think it's his knee.
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WATCH: National Senior Men's Team Coach Dennis Lawrence has called former National Captain, Kenwyne Jones, a great servant of Trinidad and Tobago football.
https://www.youtube.com/v/z86hxxrz9To
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We Are Wearside Interview: Caribbean King Super Kenwyne Jones!
By Ethan Thoburn (wearewearside.com)
Recently I spoke to Trinidad and Tobago international Kenwyne Jones who signed for Sunderland in 2007 for Roy Keane’s side. He soon became a fans favourite at the Stadium of Light.
WAW: What was it like to play for SAFC, and was it difficult for you to settle in?
KJ: “It wasn’t easy to settle in, it was my first club in the Premier League so I was trying to hit the ground running. The fans were amazing and that eased the transition a lot, Sunderland was an experience that I’ll forever cherish.”
WAW: What is your favourite goal for Sunderland?
KJ: “Well firstly every goal was special, but to me the one against Reading at home always stands out to me the most.”
WAW: What was your celebration about, the one with Cisse and your acrobatics?
KJ: “The celebration with Djibril was a bit of Caribbean culture so it came out on the pitch. My acrobatic celebration was a replica of my uncles’ so I just carried on. I’ve been doing it since I was seven years old; just horsing around at first but it then became perfected after a while.”
WAW: What were your partnerships like with Darren Bent and Djibril Cisse?
KJ: “I think all my partnerships were great, I think that they are two different players and we were able to get along well; the time with Bent was obviously more fruitful but all in all it was a joy to play with both guys.”
WAW: What was Roy Keane like as a manager?
KJ: “I thought he was fantastic, he was early into his managerial career so maybe he was still learning but overall he was good”
WAW: When Keano left, how did things change under Steve Bruce?
KJ: “First we had a tough period under Rick (Sbragia), we were trying to be safe in the division, and under Steve it really wasn’t great.”
WAW: What was it like to play in a Tyne and Wear derby?
KJ: “Well coming to a club in the North East you quickly became aware of it’s history, and it was a game that needed no extra motivation. It’s probably one of the most intensive and exciting games of my career.”
WAW: What was your inspiration to go professional?
KJ: “Well it was a family thing, a part of my culture so it was one of the things I gravitated to. I didn’t start taking it seriously until I was about 15 and then it kicked off pretty rapidly from there. I went from being a schoolboy star on the youth national sides and making my first team debut aged 17, so from then on I had no other choice but to go for it!”
WAW: Who were you football heroes growing up?
KJ: “Well firstly, it was my dad, uncle, and my cousin; of course Carlos Edwards and I went to the same school, so he was a school hero for me. Stern John was a national hero as was Dwight (Yorke) so that goes without saying.”
I’d like to thank Kenwyne for taking the time to speak to me about his playing days at Sunderland. He most recently played in the MLS for Atlanta United, after enjoying spells at Stoke City, Cardiff City, Bournemouth, on loan, Al Jazira, on loan, and a loan spell at Central, a Trinidad and Tobago club in California, along with Stern John who is head coach. He has recently announced his retirement from football.
Kenwyne is a great guy and a really nice bloke who really values his time at the club and knew what it meant to be here. Good luck to him in his future endeavours.
You can follow Kenwyne on Instagram and Twitter @kenwynejonestt
You can also follow me on Twitter and Instagram @ethan_thoburn
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TTFA president surprised over Jones’ retirement.
T&T Newsday Reports.
David John-Williams, president of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA), expressed surprised over the retirement of ex-national men’s team captain Kenwyne Jones on Monday.
The 33-year-old Jones announced his retirement from the sport after his one-year contract with American MLS (Major League Soccer) team Atlanta United was not renewed.
During his international career, which ran from January 2003 to June 2017, Jones netted 23 goals in 90 appearances.
“It came as a surprise to me that Kenwyne retired from all football,” said John-Williams during a recent interview. “Normally players at that age will tend to retire just from national team football and continue with their club career. In terms of the retirement from all football came as a shock to me.
“If Kenwyne had retired from only national team football I probably would have understood that. Kenwyne, in his own mind, knows what he wants.”
Jones was a former member of John-Williams’ club W Connection before he left in 2004 to take up a contract with Southampton in England. Jones was a defender during his youth days but he became a converted striker while in England.
He also had stints with Sunderland, Stoke and Cardiff, as well as loan spells with fellow British teams Sheffield Wednesday and Bournemouth, Al Jazira in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and defending Pro League champions Central FC before moving to Atlanta.
“On behalf of the TTFA I want to wish him all the best in his endeavours,” said John-Williams. “He played in the two highest tournaments for his age group, the Under-17 World Cup as well as the FIFA World Cup in 2006. So he is a person with a lot of experience.”
John-Williams acknowledged that Jones was a polarising figure in TT football.
“A lot of people have differences of opinion in terms of Kenwyne Jones (and) what would have been his best position. Kenwyne chose to be a striker,” said the TTFA president. “His history as a striker would not suggest that he set the world afire because his record speaks for itself. He may not have been a prolific goalscorer but he brought some other intangibles to the Trinidad and Tobago football team.”
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He sound like he wasn't a KJ fan, his sentiments to me seemed very generic for a player who served the country for so long.
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He sound like he wasn't a KJ fan, his sentiments to me seemed very generic for a player who served the country for so long.
... He is probably thinking he not going to make any more money on sell-on clauses.
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KJ has nothing to apologize for. Even I had frustrations with KJ sometimes. But I know KJ's play was limited by the quality of service by the mid-field and playmakers, which have been lacking in TT national team football for the past 10 yrs. But for the last 5 years he had adjusted and played very for TT, especially in the last couple of GCs. His away goal against Guatemala to get us in the recent Hex was one of his most important goal for TT. Tallman says his knees is affecting him. I believe it. The JW issue with moneys owed is probably what rubbing DJW the wrong way. That is his opinion. Not a prolific scorer as Steve David or Stern, but he did well with quality of players around him.
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He sound like he wasn't a KJ fan, his sentiments to me seemed very generic for a player who served the country for so long.
Wasn't Big Mag witness to him openly cussing the selection of KJ under Hart?
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Jones: Critics never fazed me.
T&T Guardian Reports.
The criticisms were harsh, and they were sometimes many, but for close to two decades former T&T striker Kenwyne Jones didn’t let it faze him. At the start of the week, he called time on his career, midweek he returned home, and yesterday morning he gave his first interview since retiring.
What appeared to be a surprise retirement wasn’t a surprise at all. Speaking on the Morning Shot, Jones said an injury he sustained prior to the Costa Rica match setback his hopes of a fully fit comeback in the sport. He said, “The decision I came to didn’t happen overnight. It’s been in my memory for three to four months.
In looking into the injury, the type of injury it is, I will have to do a three in one surgery if I am to continue playing professionally. The recovery time is 14 months. By that time, I’ll be close to 35, so there’s no point trying to come back to tussle up with the young ones.”
Instead, Jones said he will be willing to help any young T&T footballer who seeks guidance. Head coach Dennis Lawrence opened the door earlier this week to the former T&T captain if he is willing to contribute to the road to Qatar 2022.
However, in his first few days in post professional football, Jones says he’s been enjoying the simpler things in life, like taking his son to school and picking him up.
It is, however, hard to have a conversation with the striker and not talk about the constant criticism he’s faced throughout his career, especially playing for T&T. As he closed the chapter on this part of his life, his words weren’t politically correct anymore.
They don’t need to be. He said, “When you come out of the bubble that is T&T, you get to experience real fanaticism, I would say. I don’t think we’re real fanatics of any sport. Outside of this, any country I go to, based on the career I’ve had, and I’m very thankful for it, I have the respect of everybody else. I don’t look at my career as being a failure.”
For the people who did stand by him though, Jones is grateful, and thanked them once more for being a positive voice in his journey.
WATCH: In his first interview after announcing his retirement, Kenwyne Jones talks about the build-up to his retirement, the difficulty of the decision, his future plans, and the critics (https://www.facebook.com/socawarriors.net/posts/10155985550619314).
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Kenwyne: TTFA must get act together.
T&T Newsday Reports.
Retired national footballer Kenwyne Jones is calling on the local football administration to get its act together to ensure a bright future for football in this country and encourage more investment in the sport.
Jones, 33 years old, announced his retirement earlier this week from international and club football. The former national captain enjoyed an impressive career, playing for several clubs in England and represented the national senior team between 2003 and 2017. He scored 23 goals for T&T in 82 appearances.
Jones, the senior voice in the T&T squad for the past few years, said he was dissatisfied with local football administration during his career.
“Absolutely not,” he replied, when asked if he was happy with the TTFA’s running of football.
Jones said poor administration is not just an issue in football, but a problem in the country at large.
“Administratively we need to start to have accountability, we need to take responsibility for a lot of stuff, we need to do better where administration is concerned. But that is not just only in the Federation (T&T Football Association), that is around the country.
We need a change where that is concerned. We need a change where the attitude is concerned towards everything that we do. Football is not a special case, it is just one of the cases out there and I do think we need to do better.”
Jones, who represented T&T at the 2001 Under-17 World Cup held in T&T, believes the country is not lacking in young talented footballers. However, he said more must be done to develop football and encourage youngsters to get involved.
“I am happy for the talent that we have, I am happy for the youths that are going to be coming forward...I hope that they are able to work hard in the environment that they are in. Even though as a country we have had resources, I think limited resources were applied all-round in sport.”
Jones said investment has to take place in order to give the next generation of players a professional environment to succeed. Jones believes if football administration is improved in T&T, investors will pump more money into the sport.
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Former teammates salute skipper ‘Dada’
By Shaun Fuentes (Guardian).
Two of Kenwyne Jones’ 2006 World Cup team-mates have paid glowing tribute to the former National Team captain following the announcement of his retirement from playing on Thursday.
Stern John, T&T’s most prolific striker to date, and a former national team captain Densill Theobald both spent a significant part of their international careers alongside Jones. John started alongside Jones in several matches but among those which stood out would be T&T’s 1-0 win over Bahrain to qualify for the 2006 World Cup and the 2-0 loss to England in Germany. And history would show that Jones went on to become this country’s top man up front after John, an former Birmingham City standout, left the international stage in 2011.
As for Theobald, Jones would go on to take over as team captain from him during the 2013 Concacaf Gold Cup and wore the armband well into the 2018 World Cup qualifying campaign.
“I think Kenwyne’s had an amazing career,” John said. “He played in one of the biggest Leagues in the world with top clubs and also played in a World Cup. It’s not easy playing at a top level for so many years and not a lot of players can say that they’ve done that consistently,” John explained.
He added, “Not much players can say they had John Terry in their pocket for 90 minutes and that’s how good Kenwyne was on his day. He was big, powerful and unplayable. It was a pleasure playing with him and also working with him as a coach this year. We always had that respect for each other even when he was one of the younger players in the side”
John did say though that he felt Jones still had something to offer as a player. “I know he’s had a problem with his knee but I just think he’s leaving the game too early. He has a lot to offer the game still,” John pointed out.
Meanwhile, Theobald recalled how Jones was fondly known as “Dada” in the national team circles because of his leadership ability and the fact that he was able to have a close knit relationship with so many of his teammates.
“I’m really sad about Kenwyne quitting the game. In my last conversation with him a few weeks ago he said to me ‘Bleeder, I’m thinking about parking up because I think that’s it for me.”
Theobald, a former Caledonia AIA and current North East Stars player explained, “Of course I was trying to sway him away from that decision because I think he still has a lot to offer this younger generation.
He said to me that he just didn’t have it anymore and that he may have to do surgery at the end of this season and that contributed to his decision. It was sad for me to lose a brother in football.
We started at the national team at a young age and we cared for each other and always wanted the best for each other and for the country. We shared great moments and sad moments in the national team.
It was always important for him that his fellow soldiers. The players and the national team came out on top or with something to show for all their efforts.”
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Kenwyne: Critics don’t see the hard work.
T&T Newsday Reports.
Former national footballer Kenwyne Jones said criticism from the national public never fazed him as he knew the hard work he put into his game.
Jones, now 33 years old, announced his retirement from all football last week after an international career that lasted almost 15 years. Jones became a polarising figure in local football towards the latter stage of his career despite being handed the captaincy by ex-TT coach Stephen Hart and being the most experienced player. His supporters praised him for his captaincy and ability to lead the TT attack while playing as a lone striker, while others viewed him with derision, unhappy with his goalscoring record – 23 goals in 82 appearances.
“The criticism never really bothered me that much,” Jones said, “at the end of the day, we know that we are in a society that does that type of stuff because we are in an office that is outside.
“The job that we do is in the public eye and of course you are going to probably receive some criticism or have naysayers, but at the end of the day if you don’t have those (critics), that means you not doing something right. (If you receive criticism) that means you are making an impact so I was not too worried about it.”
The former English Premiership player said, “When I wake up in the morning, I would be training by myself and with my teammates. You are not training with fans, you are not training with critics, you not training with others. While they are trying to critique a viewing of a game, they are not there for all the hard work, so at the end of the day I knew I had to continue working hard for myself.”
Jones said his confidence stems from being satisfied with his accomplishments while playing in England, Saudi Arabia and the USA.
“Overall I am really happy with what I have achieved. I have been part of the national senior level for 14 years and I played a few years at youth level. I have achieved making it to tournaments like the Gold Cup and the World Cup, and of course to captain the country was a major feat as well.”
Jones, who was part of the squad that represented TT at the 2006 World Cup in Germany, thanked his well-wishers and those who helped mould him into the player he became.
“I would like to thank everyone who has had any input at all in where I have gotten. To say that I will be calling a few (names) will be a disservice to the rest. I just want to say to the people that know me and actually know that they had some type of input in me getting to certain points, that I am grateful to them and I thank them for their input and time.”
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WATCH: Former Trinidad and Tobago Men’s Head Coach Stephen Hart speaks highly of recently retired striker Kenwyne Jones.
https://www.youtube.com/v/49fCDmpk760
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Respect coach Hart.
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Hart need to start back coaching and dont let this stop of from his dreams, he is a dam good coach.
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Hart have more intelligence than that whole ttfa board tbh...
He knew how to use kJ and get the mid to play off of him..
Lawrence green and was towing the line, hence his dropping of kJ on the orders of the dictator
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I dont see why Jones retiring he still has a lot of top flight football left in him ..if not overseas why not locally..
what is he going to do now?
He could easily play five more years ..for me he is top class...
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I dont see why Jones retiring he still has a lot of top flight football left in him ..if not overseas why not locally..
what is he going to do now?
He could easily play five more years ..for me he is top class...
:thinking: Hmm. I wonder if His last article headline have anything to do with this.
Kenwyne: Critics don’t see the hard work.
T&T Newsday Reports.
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I dont see why Jones retiring he still has a lot of top flight football left in him ..if not overseas why not locally..
what is he going to do now?
He could easily play five more years ..for me he is top class...
He said he has a knee injury that would require surgery and approximately 15 months of rehab in order for him to continue playing professionally. At the age of 33, he doesn't think it makes sense to attempt to go that route. The retirement decision was made over a four month period.
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Enjoy d rest big man...
From that 2001 U17 WC team, I know that Jan and Julius still playing competitively.
Allyuh know anybody else who still playing?
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From that 2001 U17 WC team, I know that Jan and Julius still playing competitively.
Allyuh know anybody else who still playing?
Jan-Michael Williams (Honduras, Juticalpa FC)
Marvin Phillip (Trinidad and Tobago, Morvant Caledonia United)
Julius James (Trinidad and Tobago, North East Stars)
Makan Hislop (Trinidad and Tobago, Bethel United)
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weyy, sorry dey Marvin. I thought Makan was done with d big grass field. Thanks Tallman.
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Sporting KC acquires forward Kenwyne Jones
By Sam Kovzan (SportingKC.com).
Sporting Kansas City announced Sunday that the club has acquired forward Kenwyne Jones, goalkeeper Alexander Tambakis and a natural fourth-round pick in the 2021 MLS SuperDraft in a trade with Atlanta United FC.
In exchange, Atlanta United FC acquires midfielder Kevin Oliveira, defender Tyler Pasher and Sporting KC’s natural second-round pick in the 2018 MLS SuperDraft (No. 36 overall). The deal was struck Sunday during Major League Soccer’s half-day trade window.
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So.... one last hurrah?
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This is just MLS trade and draft technicalities ahead of the expansion draft.
Per Kenwyne himself.
Kenwyne J Jones
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@kenwynejonestt
Not even a surgeon can get me out of retirement
12:29 PM - Dec 10, 2017
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This is just MLS trade and draft technicalities ahead of the expansion draft.
Per Kenwyne himself.
Kenwyne J Jones
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@kenwynejonestt
Not even a surgeon can get me out of retirement
12:29 PM - Dec 10, 2017
how about a player-coaching gig after the surgeon do his thing ? Never say Never
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVxGrQcW4AA9V_p.jpg:large)
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:laugh:
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;D ;D
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Kenwyne is now QRC's assistant coach.
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Kenwyne is now QRC's assistant coach.
Make sense he would go back and work with Grovy! QRC yutes in line to learn (if they can absorb it) how to be a true aerial threat.
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wish him well....hope he brings all the good things that he learned in his outside experience to his coaching.....the foreign best practices never seems to come back with the ones that had that privilege
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(https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=92c56025d0&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-f:1635524670042553235&th=16b28d05a3463b93&view=att&disp=safe)
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WATCH: Former Premier League and Trinidad and Tobago forward Kenwyne Jones goes in-depth on his career as captain and player from U-15 level, the highs and lows of his career in the T&T uniform, his days in the Premiership, U-17 and 2006 World Cup experiences and where he sees football heading for the Twin-Island Republic.
https://www.youtube.com/v/nqQds7kVUPQ
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Kenwyne gives the ‘Thumbs’ up to Wallace in new role as TTFA President
TTFA Media
Former Trinidad and Tobago captain and English Premiership striker Kenwyne Jones has given his blessing and vote of confidence to newly elected Trinidad and Tobago Football Association President William Wallace.
Jones, now retired from playing after 82 international appearances in which he scored 23 goals for T&T, made a brief stop at the TTFA head office on Thursday to see Wallace.
“Of course there is hope because what you are going to get from him is integrity, honesty in his words and actions. So for him I can speak or put my trust in that he would be who I know him to be. Of course he is in a situation where he will have other people to answer to, other people’s ideas to take on board, those who supported him, what ever the case is and they will have to come up with the best plan for Trinidad and Tobago and Trinidad and Tobago football,” Jones told TTFA Media on Thursday.
“But I do believe he is a person, from actually having that experience with him and not being a person reading the news or having that over the fence look of what’s going on in the yard, I know he is going to be himself and put forward those qualities that I know him to have. That in itself for me personally will bring a lot of hope.
“As a man of experience administratively, he has his know how and of course there are things he is going to learn because he is now in a higher position that is going to involve him a little bit deeper in administration in CONCACAF, CFU, FIFA and he is going to have stuff that he will learn along the way. But at the same time I believe he will bring a sort of calming, cohesive, functional administrative framework to the federation and I am happy for that because it is something we have needed for quite a long time,” said the former Sunderland and Stoke City forward.
Jones touched on his experience playing under Wallace as a team manager when he served the team which went on to qualify for two consecutive CONCACAF Gold Cup quarter finals in 2013 and 2015 as well as finish runners up in two Caribbean Cups.
“I think it was fantastic between the technical staff and the other staff and players, we had such a great understanding, bond, moving forward,” Jones said.
“For the entire team and that’s including staff also I think we were going through the same issues. It wasn’t a situation of the coach and members of the technical team and the other staff members being taken cared of and the players not being taken cared of or the players being taken cared of and the technical team not being taken cared of.
“We were all in the same boat having the same frustrations, things not happening for us and what we had in that time in William Wallace as a manager… he fought for everything. Of course he would have a complaint or players or technical staff would have a complaint concerning different things, and he would listen and he would definitely put his best foot forward in trying to achieve if not the exact thing, but as close as possible to it.
“What I thought of him is he was honest in his actions, in his efforts and delivery. He would not sell you dreams because we were all familiar with the situations that we would encounter in future days and dealing with presently. Whatever we proposed to do or get he would go in and try his hardest to deliver. In the end he was not just delivering for one or two, he was delivering for everyone. I believe him to be in my experience, a man of integrity and a man of his word. Having him as a manager was one of the smoothest periods amidst the “bocas” we had as a team. I know that experience will stand him well in the future,” Jones added.
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Very good KJ interview, he opened up and was honest about his experiences throughout his career. He was really getting into the downfall of the team with the last administration change and I wished Shaun had asked more questions into that period because it looked like he had some things to say. Overall I enjoyed it :beermug:
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Kenwyne Jones to coach at Atlantic camp
T&T Guardian
Some 50 primary school footballers from across the nation will get the opportunity to hone their skills under retired national and international footballer Kenwyne Jones at the Atlantic Football Development Camp from December 14-15 at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Port-of-Spain.
Camp participants will include the top-performing boys and girls from the recently-concluded Atlantic National Primary Schools Football League. The young footballers will be guided through technical drills and exercises such as dribbling, passing and control, all of which will culminate in two matches at the end of each day.
The athletes will also benefit from special life skills sessions aimed at building confidence and self-esteem. Jones will also lead sessions to share insights from his career and life lessons he has learned.
The camp is part of Atlantic’s commitment to developing the T&T’s youth through sports.
Recently, the LNG producer staged the fifth annual Atlantic Track and Field Development Camp facilitated by Atlantic Sports Ambassadors Richard Thompson, Keshorn Walcott, Jereem Richards and Khalifa St Fort.
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WATCH: Former captain Kenwyne Jones gives his views on the appointment of Terry Fenwick as Trinidad and Tobago's Head Coach (https://www.cnc3.co.tt/sports/kenwyne-jones-fenwick-must-win-us)
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Good analysis by KJ.
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LISTEN: Former Trinidad and Tobago Captain Kenwyne Jones discusses:
- His time at Sheffield Wednesday and Southampton
- Working with Roy Keane at Sunderland
- Having his dream move to Liverpool scuppered by Steve Bruce
- THAT incident at Stoke
- Playing for Tata Martino and Leo Beenhakker
- Coaching the Trinidad and Tobago Men's U-17 Team
https://audioboom.com/posts/7502094-interview-with-kenwyne-jones
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If Kenwyne Jones wants to be good, he can be de best thing on de field but if he not interested, he is f00cking Tata like he Atlanta coach name.
He had everything to be de best thing we ever had, but de f00cker too lazy.
He would have been a great athlete because he built for it, not football, too lazy and uninterested.
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If Kenwyne Jones wants to be good, he can be de best thing on de field but if he not interested, he is f00cking Tata like he Atlanta coach name.
He had everything to be de best thing we ever had, but de f00cker too lazy.
He would have been a great athlete because he built for it, not football, too lazy and uninterested.
I met a bloke from the North East and as usual started talking football,I couldn't wait to ask his opinion about KJ,his response was,KJs name up here is "The plank".
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LISTEN: Former Trinidad and Tobago Captain Kenwyne Jones discusses:
- His time at Sheffield Wednesday and Southampton
- Working with Roy Keane at Sunderland
- Having his dream move to Liverpool scuppered by Steve Bruce
- THAT incident at Stoke
- Playing for Tata Martino and Leo Beenhakker
- Coaching the Trinidad and Tobago Men's U-17 Team
https://audioboom.com/posts/7502094-interview-with-kenwyne-jones
Excellent interview.
It produced the sort of responses and reflections I've always hoped some local media outlets and some local questioners could elicit, but typically fall short of accomplishing in non-written format.
One reason that comes to mind is that the person questioned was permitted to speak and the interviewers actually listened rather than interrupted. The other takeaway is that the questions represented knowledge of the player ... not uninformed randomness and vooping. Third, superficial or ingratiating questions were not on the table. Of course the amount of time allocated to the interview helped ... rather than stuffing everything into a smaller segment.
There are still a lot of questions that could be asked of Kenwyne. Whoever is up next should deal with the case refining the above. He's an engaging subject. Easily underutilized in branding TTO.
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Big man, huge talent...On his day, Kenwyne Jones was a match for any defence
By Ashford Jackman (T&T Express)
Kenwyne Jones has called time on his professional career but the much-travelled forward is still fondly remembered for moments of brilliance on the field of play that have caused reporters and fans alike to wonder what he might have achieved had he pushed himself to realise his full potential.
That conversation was revived last week when BBC Sport posted highlights of an English FA Cup match that was played on April 17 — exactly 11 years ago — at London’s Wembley Stadium.
Jones scored one goal and recorded one assist as Stoke City trounced Bolton Wanderers 5-0 in a stunningly lop-sided semi-final — the biggest winning margin at Wembley since 1939 — but only to go down 0-1 in the final to Manchester City courtesy a late Yaya Touré strike. Jones had had Stoke’s best opportunity in the 74th minute when he went one-on-one with Joe Hart but the England ‘keeper came out on top.
The nephew of 1988-’89 Trinidad and Tobago Strike Squad centre-forward Philbert Jones, Kenwyne was a starter for the Soca Warriors who made history in Germany, 2006 as the smallest nation to grace the FIFA World Cup.
The big striker from Point Fortin has played professionally for 11 different teams including four English clubs as well as two spells — at Sheffield Wednesday and Bournemouth — on loan. At home, after a trophy-filled Secondary Schools League campaign with St Anthony’s College, he started with the now defunct Joe Public before moving to W Connection.
In the twilight of his career he played with Al Jazira in the United Arab Emirates and had a brief stint with Atlanta United in US Major League Soccer before returning home to Central FC and finally, retirement.
Indisputably, the early years in England’s Premiership were his best and at Stoke, which he joined from Sunderland, that Cup run was one the fans would always treasure.
The Staffordshire club had drawn only one game in their run to the semi-finals and the red-and-white striped shirts were tipped to beat Bolton on Wembley’s “hallowed” turf. But the manner of their victory left even their own fans in disbelief.
After a Bolton effort whizzed just over the crossbar, the Tony Pulis-coached “Potters” took total control.
An ill-advised pass out of defence gifted the ball to Stoke and from just outside the box, Matthew Etherington hit a sweetly-struck left-footer into the far corner in the 12th minute.
Soon after, Gary Cahill’s defensive header, under pressure, fell to midfielder Robert Huth and he volleyed it past Jussi Jaaskelainen for Stoke’s second.
Jones then made it 3-0 on the half-hour. Defender Jermaine Pennant broke down Stoke’s right flank and played the ball diagonally into the box where the Trinidadian, having slipped his marker, controlled it before using a side-foot chip to beat Jaaskelainen’s dive. His trademark double-cartwheel celebration added to the fans’ delight as Stoke went in well on top at the half.
Jones could then have covered himself in glory early in the second half but he was unable to get sufficient power behind a volley as an unexpected deflection came waist-high at him. However, any faint hopes Bolton might have entertained of fighting back were dashed as Jonathan Walters went on a solo run and fired home a low shot to put them four up after 68 minutes. Finally, nine minutes from the whistle, Jones picked up a ball on the right side and burst past one defender before squaring to Walters for his second goal, completing one of the finest wins in Stoke City’s history.
Incidentally, Jones ended the season as the club’s joint top-scorer with Walters, on 12 goals. We’ll never know just how good he might have become. It’s worth remembering that Jones played in defence and midfield at school and he didn’t really catch the eye at the 2001 FIFA U-17 World Cup in T&T.
It was at Southampton that Kenwyne was first used as a striker, in the mould of the traditional bruising, gate-crashing English centre-forwards such as Nat Lofthouse, Malcolm MacDonald, Peter Withe and Alan Shearer, to name a few.
That experience secured his place alongside Stern John up front for the Soca Warriors in Germany before a challenge by England’s David James left him side-lined with an injured knee.
Jones came back from that and other setbacks and went on to lead T&T to some memorable performances under Stephen Hart.
Yet another son of the soil whose star shone with dazzling brightness, if only in spurts.
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Kenwyne Jones lifts the lid on life under Roy Keane at Sunderland and reveals his one big mistake
By Mark Donnelly (Sunderland Echo)
Any professional who played under him has a story - or several - to tell, and Kenwyne Jones is no different.
Keane signed the striker in 2007 and, by Jones’ own admission, brought out the best in him after guiding Sunderland back to the Premier League - only to resign four months into his second top-flight campaign.
He was open, honest and at times brutal - but Jones flourished under his authoritarian leadership.
“He was brilliant for me,” said Jones, speaking to the Echo.
“It all depends on your temperament and what you take seriously.
“At that point, I was pretty young. I respected him 100 per cent, but I didn’t have the fear and emotional vulnerability that other people would have towards him.
“He worked pretty well with me and I think we had an open enough relationship where we could talk and say anything and he got the best out of me.
“He wouldn’t say anything different to me than he would to different players, but it was just how I reacted. I didn’t get down or displeased by the things he said.”
Not everyone was so welcoming of Keane’s ‘feedback’, though.
“Other times I saw him go off at players for not giving their best, and you could see the players literally crumble.
“Some players are different, they’re looking for the arm around the shoulder and what not.”
Jones is able to reel off anecdote after anecdote from Keane’s time on Wearside, as the former Manchester United midfielder looked to stabilise Sunderland in the Premier League.
And one particularly prevalent memory is from a cold, November afternoon at Ewood Park.
A dire first-half performance against Blackburn Rovers - just days after a League Cup defeat against the opposition - brought out Keane’s ruthless streak.
Questions were asked, particularly of Jones and strike partner Djibril Cisse after a turgid performance.
It was an explosive team-talk, and one which the Trinidad and Tobago international can still vividly recall - for all the right reasons.
“At half-time we were down 1-0 and in the dressing room, typical manager, he would come out and say some things.
“But when we went back out, I scored and we won the game 2-1.
“After the match he was in his corner of the dressing room and I was in mine, and he just had a little look at me and then chuckled. He knew the things that he said had made me go out and prove him wrong.
“In that moment, you could tell he was thinking ‘yeah, I got something out of him that changed things for the team’. That was a good moment.”
Another abiding memory for Jones - and indeed, all on Wearside - was the 2008 derby day triumph over Newcastle United.
It was the striker’s first taste of a Wear-Tyne derby, and the afternoon took on a great personal significance as Jones returned from a long-term injury.
So while others remember Kieran Richardson’s stunning winner, Jones’ recollections of the day centre around something far simpler - being able to play football again.
“I came off the bench after being injured for six or seven months with a cruciate injury.
“I was just eager to get back out, and to try and feel as normal as possible.
“When you’re going through a rehabilitation process like that, you’re separated from everyone. You’re trying to regain your fitness and I was anxious, a bit scared at the same time, as I didn’t know how I was going to hold up.
“But it was a crowning moment for us, to win the game.
“I’ve done the south coast derby, the Sheffield derby, the Welsh derby and the North East derby - and it ranks up there for the fans.
“Regardless of if you’re from England or if you’re foreign, when you’re playing a derby in the North East you get a sense for the area, the passion of the fans and what it means.
“Once you come through one of those derbies, you get a better appreciation for the club you’re playing for. There’s a sense of belonging and being a part of something big.”
But not even two months after that victory, Keane was gone.
After talks with chairman Niall Quinn, he opted to resign.
So what went wrong? Jones believes he can pinpoint one area that could have proved Keane’s undoing.
“I enjoyed his time at the club and I sincerely wish that he had an experienced second man with him.
“That, for me, was probably his undoing - not having someone more experienced in the coaching side of the game next to him.
“No disrespect to the coaches that he had, but for me - for a new manager like that when he’s taking on such a huge task - he needed someone a bit more experienced that would command his attention.
“He’s very headstrong in his ideas and his ideals, but he needed someone like that with his.
“But it was probably my best time under any manager, and I totally respect him.”
Jones is keeping safe during the current global pandemic, and is back among the caribbean islands after calling time on his playing career.
But he always keeps an eye firmly fixed on Wearside.
“Sunderland are part of my life, they were part of my journey, so at no point in time am I going to throw that aside.
“I always stay interested and see how they do, what their next moves are and the players they’re bringing in. I’m pretty much locked in all the time.”
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Kenwyne Jones reveals why he snubbed interest from Chelsea and Liverpool to stay at Sunderland
By Mark Donnelly (Sunderland Echo)
The Trinidad and Tobago international spent three years at the Stadium of Light, netting 28 times before departing for Stoke City.
But had things gone differently, Jones could have found himself playing for one of the Premier League’s big boys.
His impressive form in the 2007/08 campaign – his first on Wearside – brought interest from Chelsea and Liverpool. There were talks over a swap deal which would see Jones head to Anfield, with Peter Crouch moving the other way, but Roy Keane moved quickly to deny that the striker would leave Wearside.
So why did Jones opt to stay at the Stadium of Light?
Roy Keane was a factor, but so too was a desire to be a part of a club that seemed to be on a firm upward trajectory.
“Me staying at the club was down to me wanting to settle a little bit and to become a part of something that was building.
“Sunderland always has the potential to be a massive, massive club and for whatever reasons - or for a combination of reasons - things don’t seem to have worked out as they should have.
“But the fanbase, the facilities and the stadium are all second to none. It’s magnificent, really. I love the place, so that was my main reason for staying.
“It wasn’t like he [Keane] brought me in and then he left so I wanted to leave, it was nothing like that.”
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WATCH: Former Trinidad and Tobago Captain Kenwyne Jones is interviewed by former English player and manager Micky Adams (Southampton, Leeds United, Coventry City)
https://www.youtube.com/v/jdv2iDJjhnQ
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Jones,Lewis discuss racism in sport.
By Narissa Fraser (Newsday).
FORMER professional footballer and captain of T&T’s senior men’s national team Kenwyne Jones says racism was something he experienced throughout his career.
In a public, virtual discussion, hosted by the Futsal Association T&T, titled Sports for Social Justice, on Sunday, Jones delved into his experiences as well as the current racial tension in the US following the killing of George Floyd.
In addition to the T&T leg of his career, Jones also made a name for himself in England, playing for teams like Southampton, Stoke City, Sunderland, Stoke City, Cardiff City and Bournemouth.
He said he was exposed to racism “from day one” in England, which continued for several years.
“When you’re in a system that is not designed for you, when you get involved, there are a lot of things you are going to be dependent on. So even though you are being paid, you have issues such as the fact that you’re not from there, so you have to walk, talk, act a certain way in order to be able to stay in that system.”
He said within his first five years, it almost felt like he was doing “a lot of puppeteering” owing to the power certain officials held.
Jones said racism was something he experienced at every level of the sport. “From administration organisations, on the field, from fans, inside the stadium. Even ‘til this day I still get messages from all ranges of social media that have a lot of racist undertones.”
TT Olympic Committee (TTOC) president Brian Lewis also chimed in on the issue, recalling growing up in the days of the Black Power movement. He said even while holding leadership positions within the sporting industry, he still faced discrimination solely because of his skin colour.
“People crossed the road (when they saw you), it didn’t have anything to do with money or possession…I’ve gone to a sports-related meeting and waiting for an elevator, people refused to come in – not once nor twice. I have been racially profiled at immigration during travel.”
He also used T&T as an example, saying there are still people who consider certain sports as “black people sports” and others as “Indo or white sports.”
Jones said many stand against racism behind closed doors, but remain silent in public because they do not want their streams of income or character to become damaged.
“They want to keep their position, keep that economic flow, be invited to the same parties, they don’t want to go against the grain…
“A lot of corporations jumped on the (Black Lives Matter) bandwagon because they want to maintain that economic fluidity. They want to keep consumers and workers.”
Asked about sportsmen who are now publicly stating their views on the issues and taking a stand, he said, “I believe it because of their experience and they want to see something change, not only in the present time they’re in but for future generations.”
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Ex-T&T skipper Jones takes pride in fatherhood.
By Narissa Fraser (Newsday).
A TEACHER, a supporter and a protector – these are but some of the roles retired T&T footballer and former men’s team captain Kenwyne Jones takes pride in when it comes to being a father. Newsday spoke with the 35-year-old who has had the experience of being a leader both on and off the pitch
Jones was born in Point Fortin but grew up in La Brea. He said during his childhood, his own father Pamphille, along with other father figures, taught him the importance of a parent wanting the best for their children.
He said while he wasn’t against it, having children was not particularly a plan he had set in stone. And at age 18, he welcomed his first son. He said that moment was an “amazing feeling,” adding that he was elated to have “a piece of representation” of himself.
“It wasn’t a thought that I grew up with, like when kids say ‘When I grow up, I wanna have kids.’ But as soon as they came, I was elated. Being able to add experience, add knowledge on top of what I’ve learnt and had been learning along the way, to be able to pass on that to my child is something I enjoy doing every day.”
He now has a total of five children – two sons, ages 16 and eight, and three daughters – two 13-year-olds and a four-year-old.
He said he has always and will continue to emphasise to his children that they should follow their own dreams and not feel obligated to follow in his footsteps.
“I never grew up any of my kids into being pressurised because I played football. At the end of the day, I think the pressure of not being able to follow in footsteps or even take legacy further could be very damaging to an individual. I have seen it happen so I never wanted to place that kind of burden on my children. I did what I did because I wanted to do it, not because I had an uncle or a father that used to play. My father never pressured me into playing football even though he was a footballer.”
He added, “You have to understand that they are individuals and will possess different qualities, so you have to be able to take and love them for who they are.”
Jones headed to England in 2005 and played for Southampton, Stoke City, Sunderland, Stoke City, Cardiff City and Bournemouth. His professional career stems back to around 2002 when he began playing with local club Joe Public (he also had stints with W Connection and Central FC), and he retired at age 32 in 2017.
He said it was difficult to balance being a parent and a professional footballer who was at the prime of his career.
“I’m the father that will make breakfast for you, say your prayers with you at night, be involved in your schoolwork, plays…But when you’re a professional at that level, a lot of that gets taken away from you because the schedule is so crazy. People don’t understand that, people think it’s all glamorous. But a lot of times you’re away from home so you get to miss out on a lot of stuff and it’s hard.”
He said since retiring, he has been “enjoying it so much” since he no longer has those time-consuming commitments.
“I’m able to see every step of the way which is important to me because I like to guide based on experience. I like to be there because I can understand where they are at in life.
“I like to see the “firsts.” I like to be part of it and sometimes engineer it. Something as simple as your kid’s first climb, first step, first words, first tooth coming out, anything I would deem a major milestone in a parent’s life and a child’s life. You’ll be on the road for like a week because you have two or three away games and you missed something like that. I missed simple things like being able to put them to bed at night, pick them up from school do homework for them. It truly bothered me at the time so it’s a lot of sacrifices you have to make. To some it may not seem like a major deal so to me it was very major.”
He said protecting his family was something he not only took seriously during his professional career, but it is something he continues to do.
“There’s a difference between protecting and hiding. I’ve always protected my family. You have to be very careful when it comes to children and I want my kids to grow up as normal as possible.”
Asked if there were children who viewed him as a father figure, he said yes as such instincts have become natural to him.
“It’s not something you go out there looking for, it’s something that comes to you. I just try to be myself and give the advice necessary.”
He added, though, “One thing I don’t do is cross boundaries unless I’m invited to. But at the same time, I try to be able to give comfort, educate, it’s just gonna be natural to have that happen.”
Asked if he plans to have more children, Jones made it clear: “Oh, no no no. I’m done. I am far by finished.”
But he is grateful for the extra time he is now able to spend with his family.
“The lessons we teach our children is what is going to shape us in the future. I wanna make sure I’m able to teach them and make them strong enough for the world they are about to face. Being a father is wonderful.
“I have enjoyed my professional career, yes but being able to enjoy something else other than the thing you do in your career is wonderful and I enjoy being able to raise my kids, to be there, to be able to see the characteristics coming out, see the things they pick up from to…It’s been no short of amazing, honestly.”
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Like Kenwyne going and run for office?
(http://pftnt.org/images/newsconferencepic.jpg)
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Yep! And good for him. :applause:
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Patriot Front???
Unfortunate choice of name :o
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Patriot Front???
Unfortunate choice of name :o
It's actually "Patriotic Front". There's precedent for use of Patriotic Front in the political arena (for instance, it's the "PF" in ZANU-PF in Zimbabwe). However, more often than not "PF" has been Popular Front. Nonetheless, it's a name I would have avoided, or suggested not using, because of the concern to which you allude. Of course, the use in Zimbabwe is decades old and the argument for its use would be that of not letting a divisive group co-opt the use of the term. Perhaps the solution would be "Patriotic Front Trinidad & Tobago".
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Racism taught, Education is key, says Kenwyne Jones
By Ian Prescott (T&T Express)
FORMER national football captain Kenwyne Jones believes that racism is taught and that the only way to defeat it is through education of the young and re-education of older persons.
Jones comments came during an online discussion forum on the theme ‘sport for social justice’ which took place a week ago on Futsal868, the Facebook website of the Trinidad and Tobago Futsal Association.
The panel consisted of Futsal Association president Geoffrey Edwards; Trinidad and Tobago Olympic Association (TTOC) president Brian Lewis; Ken McCue, from Sport Against Racism Ireland; ex-English Premiership footballer Jones; and social media influencer Keevan Lewis. Jones touched on issues of race and explored some solutions to social injustices that exist everyday in society.
“People are taught racism. You are not born with it,” Jones declared.
“If you are taught not to dislike anybody, you would not do it. You would like everybody, because you would have qualities you would like from Tom, Dick, Harry, green, black, blue, whatever” the former English Premiership footballer said.
“But if you were taught by someone to stay away from a black person and black people are violent... stay away from Indian people because Indian people are not nice...stay away from white people. Of course, you are going to, from the time that you are a child, develop concepts in your head.”
Jones said the choices he has made, both as child and adult stemmed from values parents instilled and also what he was taught in school.
“I was never taught about racial indifference. During school I had Indian friends, black friends, white friends, Chinese friends, however many different races it had in Trinidad, I had those friends,” Jones pointed out.
The former T&T captain said that even when upset, he had never made race an issues when having a disagreement with someone. “I was not taught it and I never express it. Even to this day. No matter whatever,” he noted.
Jones said there are those who practise racism, some who are victims of racism and other who are indifferent to it. He felt some people never identify racism because privilege allow them not to have experienced it. He cited recent local examples. Therefore some people are untouched by the equal justice movement sweeping across the world.
Jones said that change would come only through education. “It is going to be down to education of the younger ones and the re-education of and reprogramming of the people who are already set in their ways. It is a tough job, but it has to happen we will continue down this slippery slope that we are going,” he lamented.
Admitting to having faced racism himself, Jones said people need to stand up against inequality. However, many are still in a ‘single individual mindset’ and are often are scared to act out of fear of losing popularity and economic prosperity. He believes players who stand up for the cause, do so largely because of their experiences. He urged persons in position of influence to “be the change that you want to see”.
But it takes courage. “Those that can affect change need to use the courage that you have to stand again or go against the grain... to swim upstream like the salmon,” said Jones, adding, “The great things about us athletes, in whatever sport, is that you have a platform to try and drive that change.”
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WATCH: Former Trinidad and Tobago striker Kenwyne Jones reveals in great detail how his move to Liverpool was ruined by an injury suffered on national duty against England.
https://www.youtube.com/v/Y6KzNszHX1o
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WATCH: Former Trinidad and Tobago Captain Kenwyne Jones gives an insight into his time in the English Premier League, playing in the FA Cup final, being at the 2006 World Cup, almost joining Liverpool, and much MORE!
https://www.youtube.com/v/o7V43FkTuK8
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WATCH: Destra interviews Kenwyne
https://www.youtube.com/v/YsMiucW99hA
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LISTEN: Kenwyne Jones talks about his three memorable seasons at Sunderland. Kenwyne is honest, and explosive in parts and with some great insight into Roy Keane, Steve Bruce. He and Steve Bruce allegedly didn't see eye to eye - but how did Kenwyne see it? Almost leaving Sunderland three times, only for it to be blocked. Some great anecdotes about Roy Keane and much more,
https://www.youtube.com/v/2yecE1vNFZw
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Shaka to Manchester, Kenwyne to Liverpool and Spurs. Who next ?
Steed Malbranque. Always looked like he was missing from a WANTED poster. LOL @ "that would have lifted his mood a bit". :rotfl:
Good listen.
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LISTEN: Kenwyne Jones shares his views on Trinidad and Tobago football.
https://www.youtube.com/v/68mSkCGAsHg
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kenwin saying the very same thing i've been saying for years on end. these administrators have done nothing for football in 30 years since we lose out on italy, and all they have done ever since is restart a process of going to as many world cups from U15 to senior both men and womens without planning ahead years in advance and hoping for miracles .
they have created no youth development programs, no financial and marketing strategy, no adequate sponsorship drive, no nothing, just quick fix and vaps applying plasters to chop wounds but no surgery.
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LISTEN: Kenwyne Jones shares his views on Trinidad and Tobago football.
https://www.youtube.com/v/68mSkCGAsHg
Wonder why it's suddenly private.....
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kenwin saying the very same thing i've been saying for years on end. these administrators have done nothing for football in 30 years since we lose out on italy, and all they have done ever since is restart a process of going to as many world cups from U15 to senior both men and womens without planning ahead years in advance and hoping for miracles .
they have created no youth development programs, no financial and marketing strategy, no adequate sponsorship drive, no nothing, just quick fix and vaps applying plasters to chop wounds but no surgery.
he seemed to bring across some good pts, before i was able to check out the full clip as it was taken down
But an aspect that is needed (unless he touched on it later in the clip) is a need for a functioning Player's Assoc.
guys like Kenywne with this much first hand experience in the game can be influential in getting it up and running
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LISTEN: Kenwyne Jones shares his views on Trinidad and Tobago football.
https://www.youtube.com/v/68mSkCGAsHg
Wonder why it's suddenly private.....
I wondering the same thing cause I wanted my mom to hear what he had to say
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Kenwyne Jones: Racial abuse from Hispanic teams nothing new
T&T Express
Former national striker Kenwyne Jones believes it is the responsibility of the heads of CONCACAF and FIFA to stop racism in football.
In conjunction with the Equal Opportunities Commission of Trinidad and Tobago, the TTFA held an online forum to discuss racism in sport on Wednesday.
There, former T&T captain Kenwyne Jones. along with current national goalkeeper Marvin Phillip and defender Alvin Jones, commented on the recent experience at last Month’s CONCACAF Gold Cup, where they faced racial abuse and death threats from Mexican fans.
Having had a collision which injured Mexican star Hirving “Chucky” Lozano, goalkeeper Phillip was personally subject to the abuse. But having had a long run in the T&T team, and having seen it before, keeper Phillip did his best to ignore it.
For defender Alvin Jones it was harder to ignore. Jones was playing for the first time against Mexico and was particularly targeted for abuse on social media because it was his tackle which propelled Lozano head-long into onrushing keeper Phillip, resulting in the Mexican star being injured.
“My family, my mom, my dad, they were worried with the messages,“ Alvin Jones said. “Death threats, messages saying they were on the way to the hotel, and they know the room number. So, it was very hard mentally for me to stay focused.”
The retired Kenwyne Jones has also had his fair share of racial abuse over the years.
“The events that took place at this Gold Cup are nothing new, unfortunately,” stated Jones, the former English Premier League striker.
“Anyone who has played for Trinidad and Tobago in the CONCACAF competitions and FIFA competitions, it is something we are used to encountering, whether we go to Mexico, whether we go to El Salvador or Guatemala. It is something that been happening for years. It goes beyond the realm of sport; it goes beyond the realm of humanity.”
Jones said his experience of racism in sport is not limited to Central and North America.
“Also, in England as well. I’ve had face to face encounters with people, whether it be players, fans, institutions exerting racism,” he said. “Even being retired for a few years, after that match at the Gold Cup, I was still subjected to abuse as well and I was not playing.”
Jones said black players from the Caribbean are conditioned to ignore these types of attacks. However, he feels that the authorities need to act.
“It is a massive measure of ignorance, But saying that, the authorities, the heads of the different confederations, they need to actually put some meaningful measures in place so that it would at least stop at the scene of the crime, so to speak, and then forward from there with education.”
Jones felt that racism extended indirectly to the Mexican players as well.
“Only because of the threat of the match being abandoned, that is when a couple of them understood what was taking place, he explained, “but other than that, they wanted to get on with the game as per usual, because this is something that continuously happens when they play against particularly, the black Caribbean teams.”
Jones added “you don’t have this problem with Mexico and they, when they play against the other international teams on the world stage.”
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Kenwyne opens up on Racism - 'Time to take a stronger stand'
https://www.youtube.com/v/S43VNu8iLQ8
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Kenwyne gets UEFA coaching license
T&T Express
KENWYNE ‘KJ’ JONES, the former Trinidad and Tobago and English Premier League striker, is now a certified football coach.
Jones has received both his UEFA A and UEFA B licences. Since ending his playing days in 2017, Jones has had coaching stints with Queen’s Royal College and the National Under-17 team as an assistant to former team-mate Stern John.
“Been a rough time the last 18 months or so, but I must give God glory for his grace, and giving me the strength to go forward and add to my knowledge bank,” Jones commented via Twitter.
“UEFA A and B licensed also a Graduand of the 2020/21 class of the FIFA/CIES/UWI Post Graduate Diploma in Sports Management,“ he added.
A former St Anthony’s College pupil, Jones 36, spent 12 years playing with clubs in England and Wales following his 2004 move from local team W Connection. He played for Premier League sides Stoke City and Sunderland, as well as Sheffield Wednesday, Cardiff City and Bournemouth. At the end of his career, he had a 2016 stint with top Saudi Arabia club Al Jazira, before retiring a year later having played a Major League Soccer (MLS) season with American club Atlanta United.
Jones had 91 caps and scored 23 goals for T&T and was the youngest member of the country’s team which played at the Germany 2006 FIFA Men’s World Cup.
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Great! :thumbsup: :cheers: :salute:
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Our latest episode of the Trifactor Podcast features Kenwyne Jones.
We got so caught up it needs to be in two parts. Was somewhat reflective given that it was the night before his birthday.
Enjoy, like, share, follow.
https://www.youtube.com/v/78ZYYeNfTTo&t
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Right...so Part two is up and ready! It was a good one indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/v/Ykq1b7pcDSk
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Kenwyne Jones appointed Interim Head Coach of the Trinidad and Tobago Women’s Senior Team
TTFA Communications
The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) wishes to advise that former Trinidad and Tobago National Senior Men’s Team captain Kenwyne Jones has been appointed as Interim Head Coach of the Senior Women’s National Team.
Jones, a UEFA A Licence holder, will lead the Senior Women’s Team in the two women’s international friendlies against Panama on October 21st and 25th, 2021 at the Ato Boldon Stadium, Couva. He will be supported by Senior Women’s Team Assistant Coach Charlie Mitchell and the current staff.
After consultation with Constantine Konstin, concerning the demands of the women’s international window and personal commitments and conflicts that require him to return to the USA at the end of October, he has mutually agreed to step down and offer Jones and the team support over the international window.
Jones told TTFA Media in an immediate reaction to the appointment, “I’m absolutely delighted and honoured for the opportunity to coach the Women’s team. Hopefully we will be able to achieve the goals set out for the team in this immediate period. I’ll be trying to bring some stability to the squad and to help them focus on the task at hand against Panama.”
Panama will arrive early Wednesday morning and join the Trinidad and Tobago team in a bio-secure environment,at the Home of Football. The matches are being played at 4 pm with the approval of the Ministry of Health.
Jones’ interim appointment will run until 30th November 2021 while the process for the appointment of the long term head coach of the Women’s Team will begin in early November 2021.
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President of the Unified Football Coaches of Trinidad and Tobago, Jefferson George, has joined the rest of the football community in congratulating Kenwyne Jones as the interim Senior Women’s Coach. But Jefferson George says the local game will benefit more from an Association, guided by those with expertise in football-centred decision-making.
https://www.youtube.com/v/1vn6hi5i6xo
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United Coaches of T&T backs Women Warriors interim coach Kenwyne Jones
By Jonathan Ramnanansingh (T&T Newsday)
JEFFERSON George, president of the Unified Football Coaches of Trinidad and Tobago (UFCTT), supports the appointment of former national men’s captain Kenwyne Jones as interim head coach of the women’s senior team.
Jones was appointed interim coach on Monday and leads the Women Warriors into their first official match in just over two years, against Panama in two international friendlies at the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva on Thursday and Monday.
The 37-year-old recently received his UEFA A and UEFA B licences and will coach the team until November 30.
Jones replaced Constantine Konstin, who was installed as T&T’s interim coach eight days ago but stepped down owing to personal reasons on Sunday.
Ironically, Konstin’s appointment came on the heels of Welshman James Thomas ditching the team for an assistant coach position in the English women’s pro league.
Thomas resigned on October 6 and served as national women’s coach for just five months without playing a game.
Konstin however, previously served as T&T men’s futsal team coach for the Concacaf Futsal Championships in Guatemala in May. When he was appointed national women’s coach, UFCTT issued a statement calling his selection “absurd” and hit out at the normalisation committee (NC) for “improper technical decisions”.
With Jones now at the helm of women’s football, George believes the ex-national striker has the knowledge and experience to help guide the team in the right direction.
“We will do all we can to support him and we wish him all the best.
“I think he possesses enough quality to make an impact.
“He led the men’s team for quite some time, played successfully in the English Premiership and this current generation of footballers recognises him as one of our most recognisable players.
“Once he gets good results we’re hoping that would open the door for the normalisation committee to begin to see that local coaches can do the job,” George said.
After the two recent coaching snubs by Thomas and Konstin, George said he still has no issue with the hiring of foreign coaches but added that there are several local coaches with similar certification ready to answer the call to serve in a coaching capacity.
Since Jones ended his pro playing career in 2017, he did some coaching with Queen’s Royal College and the T&T Under-17 team as an assistant coach.
George added, “I think that there is some talent there (on the team) and if he (Jones) does well, it opens the way for other local coaches.
“We have no issues with them bringing a foreign coach but it must be a coach who would be able to add something to our football, (who) the local coaches can learn from and create the possibility to gather education from that person.
“Don’t bring someone who their only justification seems to be because they’re not from T&T. That is disrespectful.”
Heading into the Panama friendly double-header, George said it would impossible to judge Jones’ work with the team based on his recent appointment.
The Women Warriors held three training sessions with Jones prior to the opening match.
These two matches will serve as warm-ups ahead of the February 2022 Concacaf women’s qualifiers.
Their last official competitive game was back in October 2019 where they drew 0-0 against the Dominican Republic in Concacaf Women’s qualifying.
George said, “It’s a tough task for him going into his first official game on Thursday.
That is going to be challenging. Not just with the lack of experience but the lack of time to put together the team properly.”
Both friendlies kick off at 3.30pm.
Experienced T&T women’s footballer Kennya Cordner has also been named on a squad of 23 for both matches.
Other senior players announced to the team are former captain Maylee Attin-Johnson, Lauryn Hutchinson and the Forbes sisters – Kimika and Karyn.
T&T Women’s Squad
Kimika Forbes – Unattached, Tenesha Palmer – Unattached, Malaika Dedier - St Augustine FC, Collette Morgan - UTT, Rhea Belgrave - Police FC, Naomie Guerra – Unattached, Liana Hinds – IBV, Anya Decourcy - Roa W, Karyn Forbes - Unattached, Maylee Attin-Johnson - Atlanta Panthers, Lauryn Hutchinson, Maya Matouk - Police FC, Aaliyah Prince - St Augustine FC, Dennecia Prince, Laurelle Theodore - St Augustine FC, Victoria Swift - Club Leon, Raenah Campbell - Avantes Chalkida WFC, Kennya Cordner - Il Sandviken, Chelcy Ralph – Unattached, Adrianna Arjoon – Unattached, Janelle Mcgee - Sacramento FC, Jonelle Cato - Trincity Nationals, Meyah Romeo - Unattached
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WATCH: Newly appointed T&T Women's Interim Head Coach Kenwyne Jones ready to lift women's football to the top.
https://www.youtube.com/v/E0bDXp32yhA
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Jones willing to listen to TTFA offers on coaching future
By Jonathan Ramnanansingh (T&T Newsday)
TRINIDAD AND Tobago women’s football team coach Kenwyne Jones will listen to offers made by the TT Football Association (TTFA) concerning the possibilities of his interim contract being extended, or even the offer of becoming the team's full-time coach.
However, the ex-national men’s striker and captain has placed the uncertainty of his coaching role on the backburner and opted to focus solely on the two forthcoming international friendly matches against Dominican Republic, in San Cristobal, on November 26 and 30.
The 2006 FIFA World Cup player was appointed interim coach in mid-October, and his stint is set to expire on November 30.
During Sunday’s squad announcement, the former English Premier League striker said a lot depends on what the TTFA brings to the table.
“I can say that I’m interested in the women’s job because that is what I’m doing at the moment. Depending on what is offered or opened, I’ll have to make a decision there at that time. All other stuff would be figured out afterwards,” he said.
Jones however, will have an event-filled final day as the interim coach as he leads the Women Warriors into battle against Dominican Republic in the second of two friendlies.
“When you’re in anything, you plan for days ahead. In the coming days, we’ll see what is going to come out of the process of hiring a new coach or not. That is left to be seen. The only thing I can focus on now is the two games against Dominican Republic,” he added.
Jones appointment as interim coach came on the heels of two officially appointed coaches – James Thomas from Wales and Constantine Konstin from the United States – stepping down in early October.
Thomas resigned on October 6 for greener pastures in the United Kingdom after just five months in charge. His departure saw former national men’s futsal coach Konstin hired on October 13.
Strangely enough, five days later, a TTFA statement said Konstin decided to “step down” from the post owing to personal commitments.
A few days later, Jones was appointed as interim coach and has since led the Women Warriors to two drawn results – 0-0 (October 21) and 1-1 (October 25) – against Panama at the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva.
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Kenwyne Jones appointed Head Coach of Women’s Senior Team
TTFA Media
The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) is pleased to announce the appointment of Kenwyne Jones as Head Coach of the Trinidad and Tobago Senior Women’s National Team.
Jones, who took on the role of interim Senior Women’s coach from October 18 to November 30, will now assume full-time responsibility for the team, commencing December 1, 2021, with a nine-month contract that provides him the option to extend his term for a further year, based on the achievement of KPI’s and a successful performance appraisal.
The TTFA’s decision to appoint Jones follows solid 0-0 and 1-1 performances against Panama at the Ato Boldon Stadium in October, the positive atmosphere that he has created within the team, and the improved dynamic between the players and technical staff.
Commenting on his appointment, Jones said:”I’m extremely grateful for the opportunity to continue to work with the staff and players, proud to continue serving my country, and I look forward to helping push the women’s game forward.”
Normalization Committee Chairman Robert Hadad stated: “Kenwyne has done a really good job with the team during his short stint, as was demonstrated on the field against Panama. We had a meeting with him and he was excited with the prospect of continuing his work with the players. I believe the players are equally excited. We have agreed on clear performance targets, which we all hope will be achieved.”
A UEFA A Licence holder, Jones will now take the team into the 2022 CONCACAF W Qualifiers, with games against Nicaragua on February 17, Dominica on February 20, the Turks and Caicos on April 9, and Guyana on April 12, 2022. The top placed team in the Group will qualify to compete in the 2022 CONCACAF W Championships in July 2022.
In preparation for the qualifiers, the National Women’s team will participate in two friendly international matches versus the Dominican Republic on November 26 and 30 in San Cristobal, Dominican Republic.
The match can be viewed today fom 5:00pm via the following link https://youtu.be/jvqQg4r3DcM
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Women Warriors rally around Kenwyne Jones.
By Jelani Beckles (T&T Newsday).
TRINIDAD and Tobago national women’s senior football captain Karyn Forbes is elated Kenwyne Jones is now the full-time coach of the team as the squad could now develop one philosophy after chopping and changing coaches over the past two months.
Forbes said all the players are thankful to have Jones on board as the head coach.
“All the players are excited. We were actually applauding him when he entered the room that day,” Forbes told journalists on Zoom, on Sunday.
“I think Kenwyne being our coach is really exciting because he can impart his knowledge to us and we will be able to grow as a team. The kind of experience he has as a player and now as a coach, holding the licence that he has, without a doubt I am confident that we are going to do well under him.”
Jones, a member of the Soca Warriors 2006 World Cup squad, was hired as interim head coach of the women’s team for the period October 18-November 30.
T&T have had multiple coaches in 2021.
Welshman James Thomas resigned on October 6 after five months on the job. A week later, T&T men’s Futsal coach Constantine Konstin was hired. Five days after Konstin was hired, Jones was announced as interim coach.
On Friday, a TT Football Association media release said, “Jones…will now assume full-time responsibility for the team, commencing December 1, 2021, with a nine-month contract that provides him the option to extend his term for a further year, based on the achievement of KPI’s and a successful performance appraisal.”
The release also said, “The TTFA’s decision to appoint Jones follows solid 0-0 and 1-1 performances against Panama at the Ato Boldon Stadium in October, the positive atmosphere that he has created within the team, and the improved dynamic between the players and technical staff.”
Jones, a UEFA A licence holder, will get his charges ready for the 2022 Concacaf W Qualifiers. T&T will play Nicaragua on February 17, Dominica on February 20, the Turks and Caicos on April 9, and Guyana on April 12, 2022. The top placed team in the group will qualify to compete in the 2022 Concacaf W Championships in July 2022.
Forbes said the team will become a more settled bunch with the confirmation that Jones will be the full-time coach.
“Now we will be able to learn one philosophy and not have multiple coaches…I think it is really imperative that we have Kenwyne going forward.”
Forbes said the team is showing promise ahead of the qualifiers.
“I think our team is progressing great. Of course, a lot of players have not been playing a lot of games, but that is not something that we are totally focused on. We are focusing on now. We have a coach and he is very committed and we are excited to work under him and without a doubt, I believe this is our time and we going to take it very serious in moving forward…we are very thankful for the opportunity to have this staff and we are very positive that things are going to work out for us.”
T&T are now in the Dominican Republic for two friendlies against that country in preparation for the qualifiers. T&T lost the first match 2-1 in San Cristobal, Dominican Republic, on Friday.
The second match will be contested on Tuesday.
Asha James converted a penalty for T&T in the second half on Friday.
James was satisfied she found her name on the score sheet.
“I feel good (about my performance). It’s not a shock to anyone that I should be scoring in these games. I came off a high from West Texas (in the college season) scoring 14 goals and had three assists. It is always a good feeling to have your name on the score sheet despite the loss.”
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Jones looks for reaction from his team on Tuesday.
By Walter Alibey (T&T Guardian).
National women's football coach Kenwyne Jones will be hoping for a reaction from his charges on Tuesday when his team takes on the Dominican Republic in the second of two international friendly matches in Santo Domingo in the Dominican Republic.
In the first game on Friday, the home team delivered a lethal blow in the last minute of the game to pull off a 2-1 triumph, but Jones who was confirmed as the full-time coach of the women's team on the same day, expected to contest the World Cup qualifiers in February next year, told the media via a virtual press briefing that he wants to see a reaction from the players from the training pitch, and not based on what happened in the game.
Jones has been attempting to stamp his philosophy and structure on the squad, which is still stashed with a blend of young and experienced players.
"At the pre-match press conference, I said the Dominican Republic was the perfect matchup to give us a test at this present time. The current indication by the squad is that they did not give us any problem that we did not foresee, I just thought it was a basic lack of discipline within our structure that facilitated the defeat.
"But I am glad it happened now because this is the point where you have to iron out a lot of stuff and gain the consistency needed for the upcoming qualifiers and we do have a lot of time to work on that and get it right.
"First of all, I would like to see a reaction from the team but not as far as the game but as far as today's (Sunday's) training session. We had a lot of analysis done, a lot of team meetings were held to discuss the things we didn't do correctly that we were supposed to.
"I am looking forward to the game, I definitely want to see a reaction from the team, in terms of being tactically disciplined in the way we set out our business. That is the most important thing.
"The good thing is that we have another game against the same opponent to put things right," Jones explained.
The T&T women's team is in Group F of the qualifiers, comprising Guyana, Nicaragua, Dominica and the Turks and Caicos Islands, a group that Jones considers to be manageable. However, his biggest task to date will be to lay down a structure of play that all players will be aware of in time for the qualifiers.
According to the former national striker, turn coach, "At this point in time, we are about 65 to 70 per cent there, but it is important that the core group of them understand the philosophy and structure of our tactical plan going forward. The others are going to come along and possibly in the near future, we will work with them as well because this is not a sprint it's a marathon."
Team captain Karyn Forbes said both she and her team were disappointed with the result last Friday, but they have to stay positive moving forward, saying: "We have to learn from this experience as this is how the game is, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.
"We have a lot of new players and because of that some things might be repetitive, but as we move forward we will have the right squad and with the right squad we will be able to get things down pact, but right now everything is a learning experience."
Forbes was also high in praise for the confirmation of Jones as their full-time coach, saying they can learn a lot from his wealth of knowledge and the team will now, not have to learn different philosophies.
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‘I have to lend my experience’ – In conversation with Kenwyne Jones, Trinidad and Tobago Women's Head Coach
By Chris Brookes (shekicks.net)
The growing list of former Premier League names to take on prominent coaching roles in the women’s game had an intriguing recent addition in Kenwyne Jones. The one-time Sunderland and Stoke City frontman in full flight during his career was a sight to behold, and having taken the reins with Trinidad and Tobago’s national team, he feels a big responsibility to try and help others soar.
Defenders who faced him will attest to how formidable Kenwyne Jones was at his best, and his memorable somersault celebration routine is surely as majestic as the Premier League has seen. While his career in English football, and specifically his seven seasons in the top division, elevated his profile to different levels, the former forward was also part of history being made back home.
Among the first – and to this day, only – Trinidad and Tobago team to qualify for the World Cup, he went on to captain the Soca Warriors later in his career, and by the time he retired at 33, had firmly established himself as one of his nation’s most widely-renowned talents. Four years on from his retirement, he was recently appointed head coach of T&T’s women’s national team, following six weeks in interim charge.
“Well, knowing the story of our women’s national team over the years, they needed stability, I think,” he explains when asked of his initial approach with the players after stepping in. “The story has been a bit of a cringer, in a lot of respects, over the years, but during that period where the coach (James Thomas) left (to become Bristol City women and girls development manager) and the interim coach (Constantine Konstin) didn’t last very long, I did have a conversation with them firstly, giving them my commitment that I would not just walk out and leave.
“In terms of knowing what they need, I think I’ve already known that for some time, representing the country and knowing the ins and outs of our footballing teams, association and that type of stuff. The initial thing was just having a conversation with them first-hand, and basically just showing my commitment to the cause.”
The ex-Southampton and Cardiff City man has signed a nine-month contract, with an option for him to extend for a further year. Constantine Konstin, who had been in charge of the men’s futsal team, had been named interim boss just a few days prior to Jones stepping in, with the Trinidad and Tobago FA citing ‘personal commitments and conflicts that require him to return to the USA at the end of October.’
The Soca Princesses came agonisingly close to reaching the 2015 World Cup, with a pair of near misses at 2014’s Concacaf Women’s Championship in the United States. With three qualification places available at the tournament, a semi-final shootout defeat to Costa Rica was followed two days later by 4-2 extra-time heartbreak against Mexico in the third-place match.
That was the tournament in which they lost just 1-0 to the US in the group opener, when goalkeeper Kimika Forbes in particular earned rave reviews. The team had memorably arrived at their tournament training camp in Dallas with just $500 in expenses, leading then-Houston Dash coach Randy Waldrum, who had only inherited the Trinidad and Tobago team a few weeks earlier, to appeal on Twitter for any available help with food and equipment.
Their final chance to qualify came in the two-legged tie with Ecuador, which brought a packed home attendance of 22,000 to Hasely Crawford Stadium for the decisive second game, as Ecuador netted a stoppage-time winner. In 2018’s qualifying competition, when Jamaica had their history-making moment, T&T did not make it out of an extremely difficult group with the US, Panama and Mexico.
When announcing Jones’ appointment, the option to extend his contract by a further year was supplemented with ‘based on the achievement of KPIs (key performance indicators) and a successful performance appraisal’. With regard to his specific remit, does he understand it to be based on on-field results, or more weighted toward what he can help implement around that?
“Well, I think all of that would be in one. My personal ambition is to first of all get out of the group (in next year’s CONCACAF W Championship qualifiers) and move on to the Women’s Championship, to give them that opportunity to be able to qualify (for the next World Cup).
“I wasn’t given that remit by the association, but that’s my personal ambition, because I think that the time is really right for us to be able to make that step. We’ve had two chances to qualify for the Women’s World Cup before and we just failed at the final hurdle, so being able to take a look at that journey and take the experiences from that, and see how we can best tailor it to the group that we have now.”
Trinidad and Tobago have been among the women’s national teams to historically suffer from insufficient support around them. It is somewhat impossible to build necessary momentum when your team becomes inactive for a prolonged spell.
As Kennya Cordner, the team’s now-returned star forward and leading scorer in Norway’s Toppserien in 2019, said last January: “I’ve been playing a very long time, and under the last administration, I couldn’t stay and play, because they did not care about the women’s program. The last game I played was against Mexico in 2018… I really cannot say what the future holds for me with the national team, but I am willing to go back and help, but only if the right things are in place.”
Such a quote really sums it up – players who want to help and be part of progress, but too often have felt it unworkable. Of course, there is also the overarching plight of the country’s football association, which has long struggled financially and made international headlines last year when FIFA imposed a suspension upon them, thereby preventing its teams from internationally competing.
The game’s governing body had removed the TTFA’s administration and appointed a normalisation committee in March 2020, citing ‘various acts of serious mismanagement’. That decision was contested at the country’s High Court, leading to the FIFA-imposed suspension in September for breach of its statutes. The Court of Appeal later ruled the TTFA had acted unlawfully by appealing to a local court. The suspension was lifted last November after the action against FIFA was withdrawn.
Players who have been there, seen it and lived it helping to shape the future for the better seems an ideal scenario, especially when those players have, like Jones, witnessed life at the highest level. He has spoken previously about the glaring need for improved infrastructure and development for the game in Trinidad and Tobago, with fresh ideas and new life being breathed into the system to ultimately haul the nation into the footballing present.
Having been given an authentic glimpse into the sport’s ‘business’ and all that surrounds it over a number of years, in truth, it would be understandable if he chose to step away permanently when hanging up his boots. Whether it is coaching or another role, though, does the possibility of staying in the game and having a genuine impact stir some passion within him?
“To be honest, I think I have to. As you said, after being involved in football at the highest level, I think it would be a pretty bad thing if I don’t try to help football move forward, especially at home, and in the region itself.
“There’s always room for improvement. As we can see, a lot of places are getting saturated, and a lot of restructuring is always necessary at some point in time, but for me, especially at home, I think I have to lend my experience.
“It’s more like duty, but the passion is there, because I was born, I met football, and I’m going to die and leave football here, but of course you want to see it be able to grow and be in a better place than it was before. We definitely need something like that to happen.”
He not only rubbed shoulders with, but ruffled the feathers of some of the best during his time on the pitch. Ex-Chelsea and England captain John Terry suggested at one point that Jones was the best aerial player in the Premier League – some praise, considering he had Didier Drogba on his side. Liverpool, meanwhile, were trying to push through a deal to bring him to Anfield from Sunderland during Rafa Benítez’ tenure.
As well as Chelsea and Liverpool, his time in the top flight brought goals against Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur (another club who made an approach for him). There was also an FA Cup final appearance for Stoke City in 2011, after he had scored in the Wembley win over Bolton Wanderers in the semi.
To speak only of his physical prowess would be to dismiss a player who could link intelligently and finish, with understanding of multiple positions from playing in midfield, and occasionally at the back, during his development. Growing up, he was already watching football with an analytical eye, down in part to a father who played for leading domestic side Defence Force, and an uncle who was part of the national team’s ‘Strike Squad’ who came so close to reaching the 1990 World Cup.
For T&T at the 2019 CONCACAF (men’s) U-17 Championship, the UEFA A-licenced coach assisted his former teammate Stern John (who went the other way in the 2007 deal that took Jones from Southampton to Sunderland). Having also been an assistant at Queen’s Royal College back home, he embarked upon and completed a post-graduate diploma in sports management when the pandemic put on-field action on hold last year.
Upon his full-time appointment as women’s national team coach, the official announcement cited ‘the positive atmosphere that he has created within the team, and the improved dynamic between the players and technical staff.’ He is excited about taking that on into 2022.
“I think more than anything else, coaching comes with managing personalities. I’ve been in football all my life, and at a national level I’ve captained the team for a number of years, so I’ve had to manage personalities there as well.
“Being on the other side of it now, it’s just about the total preparation that goes into preparing any team on any match day or training day. That is very detailed, and I think I have a great coaching staff.
“I have an assistant coach who’s also a performance analyst, by the name of Charlie Mitchell; he’s involved with Analytics FC, driving force behind Kevin De Bruyne’s massive contract at Man City. I also have James Baird, who’s an ex-Scottish international, played for various teams, and he’s been here in Trinidad and Tobago for some time.
“The players are very resilient, they’re very willing to learn and take things on board. They can only get better on the journey.
“We have our first qualifier in February (v Nicaragua), so we’re working pretty hard to get prepared for that first test. As we speak, we’ve had two games in October (v Panama) and two games in November (v Dominican Republic); we came out with one defeat and three draws so far, but I do think that things are progressing and that we’ll definitely make some strides going forward.”
He is one of two former Sunderland players just recently to take on head coaching duties in the women’s game, with ex-Black Cats loanee Darren Carter becoming interim boss at Birmingham City. Players he came up against in the Premier League, meanwhile, have also taken up positions with FA WSL sides, with Paul Konchesky assistant at West Ham United, Frédéric Piquionne doing likewise at Everton, and Emile Heskey the head of women’s football development at Leicester City.
In no small part, the experiences, good and bad, that a player had with their managers are taken into their own coaching careers. Jones spent time working under the likes of Roy Keane, ex-Barcelona boss Gerardo Martino, Steve Bruce, Harry Redknapp, Tony Pulis, Mark Hughes, Ole Gunnar Solskjær and Eddie Howe. He considers what got the best out of him from a manager.
“For me, I think my most disappointing times or mental states were when you had dishonesty from managers, and I had that a lot. Dishonesty from, to me, just human beings at the end of the day.
“I’m the type of character where, if you tell me the situation, I can understand it and I can adapt to suit, but dishonesty is something that I don’t regard at all. I try to be that to my players, to be as honest as I possibly can, about any situation.
“I think people respect that more, ‘this is the situation, this is how I’m gonna deal with it’, because I think that helps the person determine what type of characteristic they’re going to portray. Whether or not they’re going to fight, work harder, or just crumble under the circumstance, because football is just like life.
“You meet situations that you have to work around, where you might crumble or get stuck. It’s a ball of different experiences, so the most I can do, which I try to deliver to every single person that I come into contact with, is honesty.”
He shared a couple of years ago how he had been enjoying taking a step back from the relentless machine of football, finding joy in simple moments like taking his children to school in the morning. For someone who felt the rush of scoring in front of big and sometimes mammoth crowds, the adulation of supporters along the way, and having his name sung from his sensational loan at Sheffield Wednesday through the majority of his career, does he miss anything now about playing?
“Absolutely not; I think I lived that life to the fullest. Of course, you might sit back and think ‘what if this move happened?’ and that type of stuff, but at the end of the day, I always believe that things go as they’re supposed to, and it went like that for me.
“Being the person that I am, and being involved in football in the way that I have, it’s difficult for me to sit down and actually enjoy a football match as a fan, because I see the game differently. I understand the things that happen behind the scenes every day before you go and play a match.
“For the rest of the world, it’s entertainment, you get to sit and enjoy a game of football and watch your team win, but I know all the hard work and details that go into that, so it’s really difficult for me to sit down and watch football as a fan, really and truthfully. I think now, I look more at coaches and team set-ups, and that analyst point of view, pretty much.”
As we bid farewell to 2021, those CONCACAF W Championship qualifiers are a mere eight weeks from getting underway. Coming out on top in their group will take them to the Championship itself, and while it still seems some way off at present, plotting a route to the World Cup in Australia and New Zealand in 2023 is of course the ultimate aim. Twice in a lifetime for Jones to be at the heart of history for his country’s football would be quite something.
He has been happily restored to sunnier climes in recent years, but could he see himself one day returning to coach or manage, on the men’s or women’s side, at one of his old clubs in the UK?
“Oh, wow, you’re putting me on the spot with that question! You know, I don’t know what the future holds.
“If an opportunity like that arises, of course I’m going to go through it and see how best it serves myself and my family, but I’m also not being biased towards anything. Coaching is a long career, but it’s just about taking it one step at a time.
“I’ll see what tomorrow brings.”
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Kenwyne Jones interview: Seven steps in a Wednesday wonderland
By Christian Brookes (beatsandrhymesfc.com)
He lined up for his nation at their very first World Cup, played his club football in five countries, and for a time, was soaring high in elite company in the Premier League. Somewhere amongst it all, though, Kenwyne Jones can still hear the sound of a buoyant, wintry Hillsborough serenading him.
Many a defender struggled to keep Kenwyne Jones at arm’s length when the Trinidad and Tobago international was at his formidable best. It became widely recognised across his seven seasons in the Premier League, but his majestically-executed somersault celebration had its introduction to English football some two divisions lower, and in a time that he will never quite forget.
That first viewing followed a volley from outside the box for Sheffield Wednesday against Walsall, as a drop of Caribbean class warmed a frosty Hillsborough on Boxing Day 2004, with almost 27,000 exactly in attendance. When people summarise the former Sunderland and Stoke City man’s career, that loan spell is mostly overlooked from the outside, but there are reasons why a player who regularly went up against some of the best around in later years always kept seven games in League One close to his heart.
Despite having already played for his national team, the Southampton youngster was, as yet, unknown in senior football in England, yet to make any appearances, but the goals flowed at Wednesday as if he was an accomplished old campaigner. In all sorts of ways, though, this was really the beginning for the 20-year-old, including the first time that he heard a club’s supporters singing his name – ‘Kenwyne Jones, my lord, Kenwyne Jones…’
“Yeah, it was actually, and to be honest with you, I hold Wednesday so close to my heart, because it’s my first introduction into competitive league football,” he recalls with a smile. “It was my first loan stint, and I took to the people at the club at the time really, really closely.”
“I’m happy even now to see Darren Moore being the manager. Lee Bullen I still talk to often, but I have an affinity with the club and it’s something that I’ll never let go.
“It was my first opportunity and we did well for each other at that point in time. Of course, the fans of Wednesday, I love them to bits, even though every time I played them after that, I scored!
“But at the same time, that respect and that love for Wednesday is something that will never leave.”
Although he might quite conceivably have carved out the same stature of career regardless, timing and opportunity are everything in football, and his spell in S6 elevated him in the minds of many, with a stunning record of seven goals in seven games. A top-division side just four years earlier, gloom and decline had since been so consistent at Wednesday that they probably merited a Player of the Year award or two.
In the month prior to Kenwyne’s arrival, though, something had just begun to spark under the stewardship of new boss Paul Sturrock, before starting December with back-to-back home losses. Long-term injury to Adam Proudlock, who had just been showing the most promise of his Owls career, brought the need for reinforcement up front.
Enter Kenwyne, and from a debut goal and assist for Steve MacLean in the 4-0 South Yorkshire derby win at Doncaster Rovers, he and Wednesday shared a whirlwind romance over the next few weeks.
“First of all, before I went up there, I was down at Southampton, the sun was coming out still, it wasn’t bad weather. When I took that opportunity to move to Wednesday, I think the drive was like four-and-a-half hours, got up there to the hotel, and the very next morning, when we had training, snow fell, and I was like ‘my goodness’.
“It wasn’t heavy, it was just trickling down, and I was thinking ‘this is not so bad’, but it started off one of the worst periods of my life for weather! Obviously, that didn’t show when it came to playing the game.
“The fans taking to me, I had my song with them and that is something that sticks with me, I was happy to hear that. It’s obviously the first experience that I had of that, and like I say, it’s something that I’ll hold dear to my heart until the day I die.”
His attributes would regularly trouble – and earn praise and respect from – leading Premier League defenders in future seasons, notably including Chelsea’s John Terry, but Wednesday fans were the first to see it in action. For an untried youngster, he was brushing various experienced opponents aside. Current Norwich City boss (and ex-Owls captain) Dean Smith was among those left sprawling, against Port Vale, while he even beat 6-foot-7 international teammate Dennis Lawrence in the air for one of his two goals against Wrexham!
In the days where fan forums were football’s social media, Wednesday supporters were left to piece together the limited information that was available at that time on their new signing, with midfielder, forward and even defence listed as his positions. While he had played a great deal up front beforehand, it is not inaccurate to say that this was the spell that properly cemented him as a specialist striker in England.
“Well, the thing is, I’ve always been a midfielder/striker. For a little stint with my senior national team and youth teams, I played defence, so I was very versatile in those positions.
“The reason why it happened (playing striker at Wednesday) is because Paul Sturrock obviously became the manager there after leaving Southampton, but while he was at Southampton, we had training matches and would be involved with the first team, and I would always score, playing up front. I think the thing that solidified it for them was we had a training match one day and I scored four.
“That’s why for Wednesday, and for the task they had ahead, he reached out and said ‘I’ll take you on loan for a month and you come and enjoy football’. I’m like ‘hell yeah, I’m happy to come’, because I came to the country to play football.
“I was playing reserve football for Southampton a lot, so I was really, really happy for that.”
While promotion still seemed a very distant dream at this point, this was the time when Wednesday began to arrive in the conversation. It was far from a sprint to the finish – even the play-off final had to be hauled back from the brink of a Hartlepool United win – but the Class of ’05 would indeed go down as heroes, one May afternoon in Cardiff.
The impact of Kenwyne’s goals on the points tally, in a spell of five wins and two draws, was obvious – he was even joint-third top scorer for the club that season – though so too was the lift of energy he brought to the place. There were gleeful celebrations with Jon Paul McGovern in particular, the Scottish winger who became a fan favourite that year, ever-present, and ultimately, pivotal in promotion.
“Yeah, JP’s my boy! We had a really good relationship.
“Also, Chris Brunt was there, I had (Paul) Heckingbottom as well, Lee Bullen. I think after my debut against Doncaster, where I had an assist and a goal, everything was relaxed, because you’re getting a loan player, most of the players had never heard of me before, it’s a new situation, and our first game’s a derby.
“We won that game 4-0, and having that type of debut, I think it relaxed everything, and we just had a fantastic relationship from then. I value that experience so highly in my career, and my life.
“I was a little bit sour that I didn’t get to go back after the month, I guess that Southampton wanted to get me at a higher division (to Stoke on loan in the Championship), but I always look back on Sheffield Wednesday and think of it as one of my homes.”
Out of all the games he played either for or against the club, there were only three he did not score in: the last game of his Owls stint (against Bournemouth), for Cardiff City in September 2014, and in April 2015 for Bournemouth, where he helped Eddie Howe’s side seal promotion to the Premier League. Seven goals in seven games for the Owls, and six in seven against – so that settles it…he really was that bit better in a Wednesday shirt!
“If I’m being honest, the moments when I scored, especially at Hillsborough, it was like ‘okay, well, I’ve just scored, and that’s that’. I think within myself, I was very respectful.
“Sometimes I would sit back and laugh, thinking ‘how uncanny is this that every time I play against Wednesday, whether it be home or away, I’m always scoring?!’ Some people might think of it as a curse or whatever, but for me, it was never a joyous moment, so scoring against them was not something that put me over the top in terms of emotions, at all.”
For the fans not fortunate enough to have had the early-to-mid-90s, or the best from decades gone by, 2004/05 grew into the first time Wednesdayites really had something to properly be proud of, instead of brief flickers in the darkness. Kenwyne had his own little part, a spectacular cameo, in that reawakening.
The rumours of him returning to the club thereafter were never too far away, even a full decade on while at Cardiff, but were the wheels ever genuinely in motion at any point?
“I don’t know, I don’t know. If they ever did (make an approach), it never really got to me.
“I wish it did happen, because I would have loved to go back and play in front of the Owls one more time, because like I say, that place holds a very special place in my heart.”
He continued on his rise, making the kind of career he had set out to do when leaving home for England. The 15 he wore at Wednesday would later become his squad number at Southampton, and for Trinidad and Tobago in the 2006 FIFA World Cup, as he started against England in front of a worldwide audience.
Almost as worthy as that, and the seven seasons he played in the Premier League, were feats such as appearing as an answer on BBC’s Pointless, next to the likes of Grace Jones and Robert Smith of The Cure, no less. Quiz shows apart, music has come into his journey in various ways and is a valued part of his life, not to mention the fact that three-time Grammy winner Ludacris welcomed him to Atlanta United on Twitter after he signed in 2016.
With his link to Trinbagonian artists, plus the sway that footballers can have when it comes to making inroads into other industries, has Kenwyne ever been involved in music in any way?
“I haven’t, but I have some friends that do music, and sometimes I might sit in a studio session with them and I might just make an inference on something, but I like to leave that up to the professionals! I’ve never really ventured into doing that, but I love to listen and to understand, and I think I have a good knack for when things might be hits, or if a production is right, that type of thing.
“I’m not saying I’m a genius or anything like that, but just based on how I listen to artists and songs.”
Having captained Trinidad and Tobago during his career, he feels a duty to help elevate the game back home wherever possible, and recently became women’s national team head coach. His strength of feeling also runs deep for their music, which is of course synonymous with T&T as a nation.
“Soca music, that’s my first love. Reggae music/dancehall, I also listen to rap/hip-hop, and some of what you might call classical.
“I listen to everything, to be honest, so things like your Ed Sheeran, and my number-one r&b artist of all-time is Sade, and Toni Braxton. Soca artists, I love all of them, because that’s our music, it’s something that I’m very proud of.
“Reggae also, it’s part of our Caribbean community, but it’s also something that I grew up on, having been influenced by a lot of that. I’m a world music lover, actually; different things to different moods.”
His ex-Soca Warriors teammates Shaka Hislop and Carlos Edwards have featured on here previously, with former Newcastle United and West Ham goalkeeper Hislop telling how Brent Sancho would often lead the way as dressing-room DJ. Kenwyne also recalls the former Gillingham and Dundee defender being part of a lyric-laden tradition they shared.
“With Brent, there was a group of us, and according to our genre of music, we used to sing, and it’s sort of like a freestyle. It’s something called extempo, and we used to do that a lot within the team environment, back from matches, on the way to matches, training.
“That was the type of atmosphere we would have going along in the national team.”
He did, on occasions in his career, take the pre-game playlist reins himself, though he hasn’t quite taken it to professional levels since he stopped playing, like his old Sunderland teammate Djibril Cissé. He laughs as he pauses to try and remember the first music he ever bought.
“That’s a long time ago! I had CDs I used to buy all the time; reggae, dancehall, soca, hip-hop, I bought everything.
“When artists that you know came out, to dive in and see what they’re about, I’d go out and I’d buy their stuff and listen to their album repeatedly. Maybe like ten times, because I like to hear the production in music, the different sounds and that type of stuff, apart from the artist’s lyrics and voice.
“I like to see how music comes together and how it’s produced, so I listen to stuff deeply, over and over and over again.”
Signed during Roy Keane’s tenure, his three years at Sunderland included goals against Manchester United and Manchester City (both twice), as well as Chelsea and Arsenal. Besides playing in an FA Cup final (scoring at Wembley against Bolton Wanderers in the semi), his first full season at Stoke City (2010/11) saw him on target in games with Tottenham Hotspur and Liverpool (two clubs who made attempts to sign him in his career), plus Arsenal, Everton and others.
When at the top of his form, the ever-popular term ‘unplayable’ was used by fans and pundits alike. Whether it is football or music, to see a performer going into their respective arena, entertaining and bringing joy, is an undoubted privilege (even if you had to pay handsomely for it!).
For Kenwyne, there have been many times when he has reveled in swapping centre-stage for a watching brief.
“I’ve been to a Rick Ross concert that stood out, and what was most amazing for me was the fact that how his voice sounded on his records and production, it sounded exactly like that at the live concert. I’m talking about him performing it, not the song playing in the background with his voice; that is something for me that is really important for an artist.
“Also, Beres Hammond, he is a legend and that was amazing. Buju Banton, that was amazing for me.
“Damian Marley and Nas, they did their tour in the UK and I went to that concert. Also, Chronixx was ridiculous; I saw him in Atlanta.
“I went to a Drake concert, and at the time, I had some mixed feelings about it! Because at the end, he was doing some shoutouts to melody for half-an-hour/45 minutes, and me and my missus were like ‘come on Drake, bang out the rest of the hits!’”
Given his pick of any artist or group from all-time to see perform, one of his aforementioned favourite acts, whose understated yet legendary, soul-centred allure has resonated with millions for decades, would win out for Kenwyne over any departed greats.
“The only concert that I desperately want to see is Sade, that’s my number one of all-time. I like live performances more than the song or the video playing, because it’s for me when you see the true nature of an artist.
“Let’s say Chronixx, for instance. How a song is put together is totally different to how it would be on one of his records, so you would add a lot of soundbites from other songs, but totally be able to slip that in and make it like a new mix, of whichever song he’s singing; he’s totally amazing at that.
“Damian Marley and Stephen Marley are two that I listen to heavily. I kind of grew up a lot on Damian Marley, from the first day that I was able to see his video on TV, and I was able to meet him after that concert with him and Nas, which was amazing.”
As well as Sunderland, Stoke and Cardiff, he recalls having to sing when he first stepped up to the senior national team, for whom he made his debut at just 17. In another of the regular questions on here, he is asked which teammate(s) from his career he would call upon to collaborate with him, if he ever found himself heading to the studio to record a song cover.
“Absolutely none! Actually, no, there’s one person I would record a cover track with…actually two: Daryl Murphy and Andy Reid.
“Daryl can sing and Andy could play a guitar. I remember at one of our Christmas dos at Sunderland, we went to Leeds one night, and the next night to Manchester; he had his guitar and they were going off for a few hours!
“So, them two, I’d definitely do that with.”
Crossing paths with musically-blessed Irishmen aside, his time in England – and Wales – brought a lot into his life. It would be far wrong to paint those years as nothing but positive; he certainly saw the other sides of the industry that surrounds the game. Dishonesty from managers at times was one aspect that disillusioned him, which he says he is now out not to replicate in his own coaching career.
Some of the highs he had, nevertheless, were magnificent. This year marked the 15th anniversary of that very first World Cup for Trinidad and Tobago, the experience of which at just 21 years of age stands today as one of the proudest accomplishments in his life.
At this time 17 years ago, meanwhile, he was in the midst of his Sheffield Wednesday adventure, with the goals quickly starting to stack up. Announcing his retirement in November 2017, he says he does not miss playing today, feeling he ‘lived that life to the fullest’.
Is it only since he stepped away, though, that he has been able to take in the true impact that his goals and certain moments he was part of gave to people?
“When you call out the years like that, it seems such a lifetime ago, but like you say, it’s only probably a year or two after you retire that I started soaking in the things that I did. Coming from Trinidad and Tobago and playing professional football, plus playing on the international stage, it’s only at that time that little moments start to sink in.
“I mean, when I go to different places in our region and you’re recognised, you understand how much you probably impacted people’s lives. That’s something that I’m grateful for, and I never set out to do that, but I’m grateful that my career had that type of impact, and hopefully by what I’m involved in now, we can have that impact on someone else, in a positive way that will help them to go on and achieve their best.”
At the very forefront of those current endeavours for the UEFA A-licenced coach is, as alluded to, looking to lend his experience to the women’s national team, following his official appointment late last month. The dream of a historic World Cup qualification is there all over again.
The UK chapter of his career drew to a close in 2016, as he initially joined United Arab Emirates side Al Jazira on loan from Cardiff, before signing for Atlanta United for their inaugural Major League Soccer season. He also went back home to turn out for Central FC on loan, ahead of Atlanta beginning play.
One of the great unseen and unappreciated parts of football is the sacrifice of long spells away from family, and the moments that can be missed for those who are parents. Grateful to have now returned home, Kenwyne, who became a father before his career in England even started, spoke a couple of years ago about savouring being able to take his children to school since he retired from playing.
As we end here, the Stadium of Light’s ‘Caribbean king’ is named in one more team line-up, though he won’t even have to leave his seat for this one. The regular closing question to these interviews over the years has seen the interviewee asked to suggest a small-sided team, made up not of the ‘best’ players they played alongside, but simply some examples of those they would relish getting out there again with. Over to you, Mr. Jones…
“I’d love to play with Darren Bent. I would say Anders Svensson.
“Gareth Bale. Nathan Dyer.
“How many’s that? I would say…Fábio da Silva.
“I have some more but I’ll probably blurt out about ten teams!”
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Kudos to KJ on advocating for an international match in Tobago. :applause:
Other than that, he is also to be commended for stabilizing the ship and bringing thoughtful and broad perspective to his role. What's needed is for the media covering the WNT to match his stride.
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Played for Both: Former Sunderland and Cardiff Striker Kenwyne Jones
By Christopher Nicholson (si.com)
Born in Point Fortin in Trinidad and Tobago, Jones Jones attended St. Anthony's College, which he attended with fellow future Black Cats teammate Carlos Edwards.
Jones started his football career in his homeland for TT Pro League team Joe Public. He then moved to W Connection, also in the TT Pro League, where he spent two years.
In 2008 during an interview with Simon Bird, Jones explained that he spent months in 2004 touring Europe looking for a club or face a career in the Trinidad army.
"I was on the road for three and a half months travelling round Europe, spending two weeks in different places having trials.
"It was hard because I'd just had my son and it was make it - or join the army."
Jones stated he had trials at several British clubs including Manchester United, West Ham, Southampton and Rangers. "I went to Rangers and Southampton and had trials with Manchester United and had my photo taken with Roy Keane, West Ham and went over to Holland."
In the interview we also found out the origin of that flipping (yes, I've used the pun again) good celebration. As Jones explains, it was his football-playing Uncle Philbert that inspired him.
"My dad and uncle played football and they became quite famous, and I liked that. My uncle did back flips and he inspired me to do that.
"I was about seven and I saw him doing doing some sit-ups and, bang, just like that, out of nowhere he did a back flip. Most incredible thing I ever saw!
"I wanted to do it. I played in school tournaments at the age of 13 and the first time I scored did the back flip. I scored, ran to the corner and just flipped over.
"Everyone stood back, they'd never seen it before, and that was the start of it."
Jones got his chance in July 2004 when he signed for Southampton for a nominal fee. After a couple of impressive loans spells at Sheffield Wednesday and Stoke City, Jones returned to Southampton.
That proved to be his breakthrough at Southampton, and he scored and impressive 16 goals in during the 2006-07 season as the Saints Southampton reached the Championship play-offs.
Interest in Jones' services quickly emerged, and it was rumoured that Derby wanted to sign him. Upon hearing this Jones, submitted a transfer request and reportedly went on 'strike' until an exit could be engineered.
It never materialised, but he soon got his move in August 2007 when Jones signed for Sunderland in a reported £6 million deal with countryman Stern John going the other way.
Jones made his Sunderland debut against Manchester United on the 1 September however he couldn't help the team escape a 1-0 defeat. Two weeks later Jones scored his first goal for Sunderland as the Black Cats beat Reading 2-1 at the Stadium of Light.
An impressive start to his career at Sunderland attracted a lot of interest in Jones. In November 2007 it was rumoured that Liverpool were set to sign Jones in £12 million deal with Peter Crouch coming to the Black Cats (one of many times Crouch was been linked with a move to Wearside).
As we know, that never happened. However only a month later Jones was linked with moves to Liverpool (again) and Chelsea. Black Cats boss Roy Keane was quick to quash the rumours stating Jones would be going nowhere. However, things were about to change dramatically for the striker, and not in a good way.
In June 2008, Jones suffered a horrific injury which kept him out for around five months. He was playing a post-season friendly for Trinidad and Tobago against England, and he collided with Three Lions stopper David James. It left his knee in tatters, and he was never quite the same ever again.
Jones returned to first team action as a substitute against local rival Newcastle, helping the team to a 2-1 win over their rivals.
More links to other clubs still came, with Jones was linked with a move to Tottenham. However, those links were put to bed when he signed a new four-and-a-half-year contract with the Black Cats.
Jones ultimately scored 28 goals for Sunderland in his 101 appearances, and some of them were flipping good (I had to squeeze it in again - the last time I promise). One goal that comes to mind was a cracking 22-yard curler against Wolves on 27 September 2009.
Jones eventually left Sunderland on 11 August 2010 when he signed for Stoke for a club record fee of £8 million. He signed a four-year deal taking a pay cut to make sure the move went ahead.
Jones spent four seasons at Stoke racking up 28 goals across 117 appearances before he exited for this weekend's opponents Cardiff.
While at Cardiff Jones spent time on loan at Bournemouth and Al Jazira. He left Cardiff permanently in 2016 when on 15 July, moving across the Atlantic to join newly formed MLS side Atlanta United.
He spent one season at Atlanta, during which he had a six-game loan spell at TT Pro League side Central. Jones left Atlanta when he was traded by the club to Kansas City, although he never actually made an appearance for them before retiring.
During his 18-year career, Jones had an excellent international career where he scored an impressive 23 goals across 90 caps. This included two goals in the 2006 FIFA World Cup qualifiers.
His involvement in the world cup earned him the Chaconia Medal (Gold Class) which is the second highest state decoration in Trinidad and Tobago.
Jones is still very much involved in football, he is currently the manager of the Trinidad and Tobago women's national team, a role he has held since October 2021.