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Sports => Football => Topic started by: palos on December 01, 2007, 11:04:04 AM
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I really thought he would have cut it at this level. I really did. And not just cut it, but excell.
De man cyah beat de most rudimentary of left backs. 90% of de time he get de ball, he lookin to get de ball inside de box. While his delivery has improved, his ability to go past his man is non existent. McEvely? As clumsy a left back as it have in de EPL and he own Carlos whole match?
One word. SHOCKING. To me at least. I know he has been injured but this is his 3rd match back against the weakest opposition he is likely to face all season and he looked pedestrian.
As a BIG Carlos Edwards fan, I'm almost crushed.
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I am really very disappointed that he has been hurt so much after starting off his career with Sunderland in such a great manner. There was the potential of a great outcome but injuries have been the bain of his existence at Sunderland.
Very very unfortunate.
Lets ALL pray to God that this is a real temporary situation.....Amen.
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Some bounce back from injury without missing a beat and some don't
Did Keane hint that he wasn't at 100% on his return?
I still think that if he has a long run of consistent health & fitness, he would do well.
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Take you time PALOS all of us is CARLOS'S FAN. NOT ONLY DID HE GET INJURED BUT REMEMBER THAT EMBARASSING DEFEAT THEY SUFFERED. I DONT CARE WHO YOU ARE IT WILL AFFECT YOU IN SOME WAY. WE KNOW HE CAN PLAY JUST CUT HIM A LIL LOOSE. YOU TOO HURRY. 3 GAMES COME ON YOU COULD DO BETTER THAN THAT!!!!. HE NEED TO REGAIN FULL FITNESS AND CONFIDENCE AND TRUST MEH THAT DONT COME IN 3 GAMES. SO EASE OFF AND GIVE THE BROTHER A REST.
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I really thought he would have cut it at this level. I really did. And not just cut it, but excell.
De man cyah beat de most rudimentary of left backs. 90% of de time he get de ball, he lookin to get de ball inside de box. While his delivery has improved, his ability to go past his man is non existent. McEvely? As clumsy a left back as it have in de EPL and he own Carlos whole match?
One word. SHOCKING. To me at least. I know he has been injured but this is his 3rd match back against the weakest opposition he is likely to face all season and he looked pedestrian.
As a BIG Carlos Edwards fan, I'm almost crushed.
aaahhh palos... ever the optimist..
don't you think its a bit early to issue this sweeping write-off of a judgement?
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Early eh?
Ok. How long is enough allyuh tink?
10 games?
De ress a de season?
Carlos came to this EPL season with tremendous expectations....not just from fans like mehself....but FOOTBALL people.
Many were excited to see if he could translate his form to this level.
Given his performances thus far, even acknowledging THE FACT that he is coming off a lengthy injury, he has not suggested anything like what he demonstrated at other levels.
As a Trinbagonian, I will always believe in meh heart dat he have what it takes and more.
But sentiment doh cut it at dis level. Only performance. And when people at dat level eye on yuh and yuh doh produce...not even a glimmer....dem eye does tun to de nex up and comer quick quick.
In footballin terms, Carlos eh no spring chicken. He have a very small window of opportunity. I still backin he to come good and show everybody the player that we all know he is. But he better get he act togeddah...and mighty quick too.
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Alyuh men sad yes...no real match fitness, im pretty sure not 100% and u write de man off...well boy. :'(
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Palos, ah feel yuh lil off on this one.
How was he performing before he got injured?
Do u know he was MoM against Birmingham? (the game he was injured in?)
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Palos, ah feel yuh lil off on this one.
How was he performing before he got injured?
Do u know he was MoM against Birmingham? (the game he was injured in?)
Arrite bro. Ah go check back by season end.
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Early eh?
Ok. How long is enough allyuh tink?
10 games?
De ress a de season?
Carlos came to this EPL season with tremendous expectations....not just from fans like mehself....but FOOTBALL people.
Many were excited to see if he could translate his form to this level.
Given his performances thus far, even acknowledging THE FACT that he is coming off a lengthy injury, he has not suggested anything like what he demonstrated at other levels.
As a Trinbagonian, I will always believe in meh heart dat he have what it takes and more.
But sentiment doh cut it at dis level. Only performance. And when people at dat level eye on yuh and yuh doh produce...not even a glimmer....dem eye does tun to de nex up and comer quick quick.
In footballin terms, Carlos eh no spring chicken. He have a very small window of opportunity. I still backin he to come good and show everybody the player that we all know he is. But he better get he act togeddah...and mighty quick too.
palos, under all seriousness... yuh moving like ah real drama queen today..
The friggin EPL is up and running at full pace, and this come like Carlos first games of the new season.. He lagging behind in de class and have plenty to do to catch up.. He now coming off injury worries and obviously would still be very tentative on a hamstring injury that he has reinjured multiple times..
Have you ever played on a recurring injury wondering whether or not you fully recovered or if de ting will go again on yuh? Do you know psychologically and physically what kind of impact that does have on yuh game?
So you ready to altogether dismiss the man as a failure after 3 games back?? One breakneck derby match against Newcastle where he put in a creditable performance, one anomaly against Everton where the whole team was poor and one relegation scrap match against Derby??
Waaay sah, judge dredd have nutten on you?! yuh couldnt even give de man a good 5 games self to fart on de man head eh..
what happen yuh eh get no fantasy league points or something?
STEUPS
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It look like he reinjured as well, ah hope nothing too serious.
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i feel he was rushed to go back and play again.
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Palos, ah feel yuh lil off on this one.
How was he performing before he got injured?
Do u know he was MoM against Birmingham? (the game he was injured in?)
I glad someone brought this up....let the man beathe for few nah... i figure that he hasn't arrived at full sharpness yet...palos i could understand your angst but yuh really starting to push the panic button a little too early..and as u said AT LEAST his delivery is improving..
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It look like he reinjured as well, ah hope nothing too serious.
say it isn't so
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Carlos seem to be still tentative about extending himself. I feel his confidence in his hamstring is not 100%
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Probably if it was any other player most people would have probably agreed with Palos. But we talking about a native son. What I got out of the thread was the fact that Carlos struggled and continues to struggle against one of the poorest defenders in the league. Not Evra, Cole or Rise, all of whom we may have been more understanding. Wide players depend on service but upon receiving the ball they should be in a position to penetrate or deliver consistent crosses. Lets give Carlos the benefit of the doubt. but in all honesty he has not looked the part to date.
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Probably if it was any other player most people would have probably agreed with Palos. But we talking about a native son. What I got out of the thread was the fact that Carlos struggled and continues to struggle against one of the poorest defenders in the league. Not Evra, Cole or Rise, all of whom we may have been more understanding. Wide players depend on service but upon receiving the ball they should be in a position to penetrate or deliver consistent crosses. Lets give Carlos the benefit of the doubt. but in all honesty he has not looked the part to date.
Is only because Carlos Edwards is a Trini, people cuttin he slack. Ronaldo come back from more serious and lengthier injury and man say he fat and shithong after 1 game. But I understand dat and fully expeck de drama queen lyrics etc. No surprise dey whatsoever.
Woe be unto anybody who have anyting remotely negative to say bout a favorite native son even when is jes observation. So it go here.
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GOOD 3 POINTS CARLOS
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Probably if it was any other player most people would have probably agreed with Palos. But we talking about a native son. What I got out of the thread was the fact that Carlos struggled and continues to struggle against one of the poorest defenders in the league. Not Evra, Cole or Rise, all of whom we may have been more understanding. Wide players depend on service but upon receiving the ball they should be in a position to penetrate or deliver consistent crosses. Lets give Carlos the benefit of the doubt. but in all honesty he has not looked the part to date.
Is only because Carlos Edwards is a Trini, people cuttin he slack. Ronaldo come back from more serious and lengthier injury and man say he fat and shithong after 1 game. But I understand dat and fully expeck de drama queen lyrics etc. No surprise dey whatsoever.
Woe be unto anybody who have anyting remotely negative to say bout a favorite native son even when is jes observation. So it go here.
Palos, you just went from bad to worse. You just say Ronaldo and Carlos in the same sentence ?
Let me say like somebody once told me.
"You are one of the men that does regularly post sense on the forum. This just goes to show that everybody can have an off day"
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Probably if it was any other player most people would have probably agreed with Palos. But we talking about a native son. What I got out of the thread was the fact that Carlos struggled and continues to struggle against one of the poorest defenders in the league. Not Evra, Cole or Rise, all of whom we may have been more understanding. Wide players depend on service but upon receiving the ball they should be in a position to penetrate or deliver consistent crosses. Lets give Carlos the benefit of the doubt. but in all honesty he has not looked the part to date.
Is only because Carlos Edwards is a Trini, people cuttin he slack. Ronaldo come back from more serious and lengthier injury and man say he fat and shithong after 1 game. But I understand dat and fully expeck de drama queen lyrics etc. No surprise dey whatsoever.
Woe be unto anybody who have anyting remotely negative to say bout a favorite native son even when is jes observation. So it go here.
In all truth and honesty, even if it was a big name, it would be real hard for me to come up with a thread about him as hyper-dramatic as this after 3 games...
As an example, I'm curious as to what you'd have to say of Ryan Babel.. He came with a much bigger weight of expectations and is yet to set the league on fire, yet i would find it extremely hard to say he has been soooooo disappointing.. there is something known as the 'bedding in' phase which is a grace period granted to players to acclimatize to the new league..
I'd also like to know if Dean Ashton would be also labelled likewise if he fails to score and do well in his next 2 games.. cause he too is coming off a long injury layoff and finding back his feet...
Carlos is dealing with a combo of those 2 examples.. Coming off injury, and acclimatizing to the league..
Trini or not cut the brother some slack.
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Probably if it was any other player most people would have probably agreed with Palos. But we talking about a native son. What I got out of the thread was the fact that Carlos struggled and continues to struggle against one of the poorest defenders in the league. Not Evra, Cole or Rise, all of whom we may have been more understanding. Wide players depend on service but upon receiving the ball they should be in a position to penetrate or deliver consistent crosses. Lets give Carlos the benefit of the doubt. but in all honesty he has not looked the part to date.
Is only because Carlos Edwards is a Trini, people cuttin he slack.
aint no secret in that
Ronaldo come back from more serious and lengthier injury and man say he fat and shithong after 1 game.
Not true - not after one game....really curious to see where Ronaldo was labeled a "shithong" after his first game back from injury...dat soundin' like ole talk..... plus everyone hailed Ronaldo's comeback as one of the best ever...
But I understand dat and fully expeck de drama queen lyrics etc. No surprise dey whatsoever.
Woe be unto anybody who have anyting remotely negative to say bout a favorite native son even when is jes observation. So it go here.
Reasonable observation- no one denying that, but like yuh say we cutting him some slack- admittedly biased, plus in all honesty to write off a player as not ready for EPL, 3 games after coming back from a fairly serious injury is a bit dramatic- you self....
Expectations of Carlos in the EPL were grounded in 50% meritocracy and 50% hype.....wish him the best
If everyone responded to your thread with whole hearted agreement, the message board would have no purpose.....ent?
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Do you all think for a man in Carlos situation starting/playing him in EPL games is the best thing for him?i think at this level is either you ready or you not,you don't go out their to experiment and then have a set of excuses afterwards,the reserve league is for that.This is a very sensitive issue because we are all Trinis but people on here talk about everybody except Trinis on Sunderland team when they lose and that's not fair,that team is playing with too many players recouperating from injuries so you find they are all tentative to go all out,i sympathise with Carlos because he is one of the franchise players on the team,so much is expected of him and so far can't deliver,he is under a lot of pressure but that's the life at that level,when people put out their money all they want is performance and don't want to hear nothing else.
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he get a bonus point in fantasy today ;)
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I think he said that he needs at least three full games before he can begin to perform at his best. I am not worried. Carlos is a true professional and we know what he is capable of, so have some faith.
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I really thought he would have cut it at this level. I really did. And not just cut it, but excell.
De man cyah beat de most rudimentary of left backs. 90% of de time he get de ball, he lookin to get de ball inside de box. While his delivery has improved, his ability to go past his man is non existent. McEvely? As clumsy a left back as it have in de EPL and he own Carlos whole match?
One word. SHOCKING. To me at least. I know he has been injured but this is his 3rd match back against the weakest opposition he is likely to face all season and he looked pedestrian.
As a BIG Carlos Edwards fan, I'm almost crushed.
You being very precipitous , if you ask me. De man miss de whole season but for a few games. This is almost midseason, men in high gear, while Carlos is just getting out of the blocks. He broke down twice this season, not once, and with two HAMSTRING injuries. Those could take all season to really heal on the inside. This ain't the Championship, it's the EPL. Remember, Carlos is still adjusting to the level, because he's pnly played a few games. He's basically starting all over again at this level.
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I come in here fully expecting man tuh cuss yuh out Palos...and some ent disappoint, lol. To me Sunderland on the whole (excepting KJ) has disappointed this season. But I disagree with you on Carlos, his performance hasn't been as expected, but I think the injuries are a sufficient explanation for that drop-off in performance.
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You being very precipitous , if you ask me. De man miss de whole season but for a few games. This is almost midseason, men in high gear, while Carlos is just getting out of the blocks. He broke down twice this season, not once, and with two HAMSTRING injuries. Those could take all season to really heal on the inside. This ain't the Championship, it's the EPL. Remember, Carlos is still adjusting to the level, because he's pnly played a few games. He's basically starting all over again at this level.
Uhm...I think you mean "premature" (?)
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I'm somewhat surprised at Palos post. Not the norm for him, but understand his expectation and frustration. Just wondering Palos if you ever had a hamstring injury....and then had it re-injured when you thought you had healed properly. A simple yes or no would answer a lot of questions.
If I were Keane (or any coach) I would not start any player coming off bacb to back hamstring injuries.
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If Palos disappointed leave him alone. He entitled to his own feelings but he has not been wrong very often over the years and we talking real years here eh. The truth of de matter is dat Carlos in a very tenuous position. Is not like Sunderland doing real good in de standings yuh know. Dey have no slack. I feel dey go be fighting for survival come season end. I eh go be surprised if Keane heself throw on a tugs yuh know. The Rolls Royce was supposed to be one of their pillars but de foundation real shaky right now. Dem teams and dem does move real dread yuh know. Dey want to know what have you done for me lately...injury or not. Shaka and Stern could attest to dat. If Carlos doh pick it up, he go be heading to bench and den following Stern south division wise. There is no lingering sentiment. Second chances doh come applenty at dis level. I agree with Palos...de window starting to close. Pull up yuh socks Carlos.
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He's coming back from injury.
He's playing in a weak/struggling team that doesn't play attractive football.
He's a rookie in the EPL.
He's a very good player by T&T standards, but arguably not really above average at the highest level by int'l standards.....
Who so ever expected him to light it up in the EPL probably needed to temper his/her expectations...
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ok since dis is d kick palos thread.......... take dis and that and another this :devil:
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You being very precipitous , if you ask me. De man miss de whole season but for a few games. This is almost midseason, men in high gear, while Carlos is just getting out of the blocks. He broke down twice this season, not once, and with two HAMSTRING injuries. Those could take all season to really heal on the inside. This ain't the Championship, it's the EPL. Remember, Carlos is still adjusting to the level, because he's pnly played a few games. He's basically starting all over again at this level.
Uhm...I think you mean "premature" (?)
dis is why ah love dis forum.....men correcting men when dey make mistake and use wrong BIG words......oh wait de old Tenors eh use no wrong word (check below)...ahh boy, my forumites.
precipitous
adjective
1. done with very great haste and without due deliberation; "hasty marriage seldom proveth well"- Shakespeare; "hasty makeshifts take the place of planning"- Arthur Geddes; "rejected what was regarded as an overhasty plan for reconversion"; "wondered whether they had been rather precipitate in deposing the king" [syn: hasty]
pre·ma·ture
–adjective 1. occurring, coming, or done too soon: a premature announcement.
2. mature or ripe before the proper time.
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ok since dis is d kick palos thread.......... take dis and that and another this :devil:
yaaaaay lets beat the moderator :devil: how dare you insult our boy :devil: ::) ;D
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While we all would love to Carlos dominate on the field, it is only fair to give him a chance to regain his form and fitness. Also, this is the Prem not the Championship. The players are better and he will have to work harder to be as brilliant as he was at the end of last season. However, despite the criticism the BBC news report stated as follows:
"On the right wing, Carlos Edwards responded and was at the root of most of Sunderland's attacks."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7110964.stm
That does not sound like report of a player who is struggling.
Palos, JUST GIVE CARLOS A BREAK.
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If Carlos doh pick it up, he go be heading to bench ...
They have to find a competent right winger to replace him first. Because he's the only one they have.
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Some of allyuh really feel Sunderland saying,"Poor Carlos...he now coming back from injury." Once he put on dat jersey and de whistle blow...all dey concern with is performance. He not in dat category yet as a player to receive dat kind of patience. As Palos point out not even Ronaldo got dat kinda respect so who is Carlos? I admire de Trinbagonia spirit...but doh turn a blind eye to reality.
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ok since dis is d kick palos thread.......... take dis and that and another this :devil:
yaaaaay lets beat the moderator :devil: how dare you insult our boy :devil: ::) ;D
eh heh is so?
orrite Palos take dis (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/fighting/fighting0029.gif)
wha bout dese two shots (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/fighting/fighting0031.gif)
oooops dat din work........ :-\....sorry eh Mr Moderartor ;D ;D
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Who so ever expected him to light it up in the EPL probably needed to temper his/her expectations...
and a next whattap !
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ThE BBC Report has Carlos at the root of most of Sunderland's attack. I am surprised at the disappointment, given the fact that even Keane had some reservation about his fitness. It takes time to be back to the level that we all expect from Carlos.
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You being very precipitous , if you ask me. De man miss de whole season but for a few games. This is almost midseason, men in high gear, while Carlos is just getting out of the blocks. He broke down twice this season, not once, and with two HAMSTRING injuries. Those could take all season to really heal on the inside. This ain't the Championship, it's the EPL. Remember, Carlos is still adjusting to the level, because he's pnly played a few games. He's basically starting all over again at this level.
Uhm...I think you mean "premature" (?)
dis is why ah love dis forum.....men correcting men when dey make mistake and use wrong BIG words......oh wait de old Tenors eh use no wrong word (check below)...ahh boy, my forumites.
precipitous
adjective
1. done with very great haste and without due deliberation; "hasty marriage seldom proveth well"- Shakespeare; "hasty makeshifts take the place of planning"- Arthur Geddes; "rejected what was regarded as an overhasty plan for reconversion"; "wondered whether they had been rather precipitate in deposing the king" [syn: hasty]
pre·ma·ture
–adjective 1. occurring, coming, or done too soon: a premature announcement.
2. mature or ripe before the proper time.
look de link Fyozoman http://www.thefreedictionary.com/precipitous
jez incase somebody say ya make dat up ;D
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Who so ever expected him to light it up in the EPL probably needed to temper his/her expectations...
and a next whattap !
wheys..........Carlos takin some body blows today :o
Kicker, I personally thought that after his very good end to the Championship season that he would role over very nicely into a contender in the EPL, but we can only pray that his latest injury is minor and any injuries if any from here on in to the end of the season are negligent.
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alyuh say thing about d man, when he start bussing net i go here alyuh, on a similar note stern score today ;D
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Who so ever expected him to light it up in the EPL probably needed to temper his/her expectations...
and a next whattap !
wheys..........Carlos takin some body blows today :o
Kicker, I personally thought that after his very good end to the Championship season that he would role over very nicely into a contender in the EPL, but we can only pray that his injuries from here on in to the end of the season are neglegent.
Doh get me wrong....like I said in my first post, if he hits a streak of good health and finds a rhythm, I think he will give a good account of himself........I think he's good enough for the premiership- but did I expect him to be a star boy winger dancing up and down the flank week in week out?... Nope not at all.- don't think anyone on Sunderland will have that kind of season....Sunderland is a journeyman squad of average players for the most part who will have to grind out victories to stay in the top flight
Put it all in perspective and add injury to mix (like in Carlos' case)........that's what I meant by temper the expectations...
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You being very precipitous , if you ask me. De man miss de whole season but for a few games. This is almost midseason, men in high gear, while Carlos is just getting out of the blocks. He broke down twice this season, not once, and with two HAMSTRING injuries. Those could take all season to really heal on the inside. This ain't the Championship, it's the EPL. Remember, Carlos is still adjusting to the level, because he's pnly played a few games. He's basically starting all over again at this level.
Uhm...I think you mean "premature" (?)
dis is why ah love dis forum.....men correcting men when dey make mistake and use wrong BIG words......oh wait de old Tenors eh use no wrong word (check below)...ahh boy, my forumites.
precipitous
adjective
1. done with very great haste and without due deliberation; "hasty marriage seldom proveth well"- Shakespeare; "hasty makeshifts take the place of planning"- Arthur Geddes; "rejected what was regarded as an overhasty plan for reconversion"; "wondered whether they had been rather precipitate in deposing the king" [syn: hasty]
pre·ma·ture
–adjective 1. occurring, coming, or done too soon: a premature announcement.
2. mature or ripe before the proper time.
...and dis is why I love de forum, every now and then you sure to find somebody to remind you of the saying that 'reading is fundamental'.
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...and dis is why I love de forum, every now and then you sure to find somebody to remind you of the saying that 'reading is fundamental'.
ent? and den some more ent?
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...and dis is why I love de forum, every now and then you sure to find somebody to remind you of the saying that 'reading is fundamental'.
ent? and den some more ent?
I will see yuh ent and raise yuh 2 ents!
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If we cuttin him so slack that eh d norm 4 we Trinis we does real fight down man just ask Disgruntled
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allyuh forget its de PFL. i know some of u guys dream to go to de PFL in your life time 2 play football but at that level of ball is really quick. so to get back at top level it takes a whille specially if u r a winger. i fine he isplaying well for a person coming off of a injury. he moves quick and need to get his touches on point again. sunderland is a big club. playing at that level is a plus as a player. im a player my self. when i play in trinidad its is slow and lazy pace. as to say that, we must give carlos nuff repect
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allyuh forget its de PFL. i know some of u guys dream to go to de PFL in your life time 2 play football but at that level of ball is really quick. so to get back at top level it takes a whille specially if u r a winger. i fine he isplaying well for a person coming off of a injury. he moves quick and need to get his touches on point again. sunderland is a big club. playing at that level is a plus as a player. im a player my self. when i play in trinidad its is slow and lazy pace. as to say that, we must give carlos nuff repect
substitute PFL with EPL
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thks
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De man cyah beat de most rudimentary of left backs. 90% of de time he get de ball, he lookin to get de ball inside de box.
that could also be Carlos carrying out boss Keane's instructions ... in the EPL, especially in the weaker teams like Sunderland you hardly see the full capability of an individual player. They put on the field to perform a certain role, and maybe Carlos' role was to whip it in the box - and not to beat men - from the right whenever he had the ball. It doh say much for creativity or invention nor does it do the player justice according to his talent, but if coach say do it...what yuh go do
I eh defending Carlos, nor denying he was disappointing either... but is something to consider.
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Early eh?
Ok. How long is enough allyuh tink?
10 games?
De ress a de season?
Carlos came to this EPL season with tremendous expectations....not just from fans like mehself....but FOOTBALL people.
Many were excited to see if he could translate his form to this level.
Given his performances thus far, even acknowledging THE FACT that he is coming off a lengthy injury, he has not suggested anything like what he demonstrated at other levels.
As a Trinbagonian, I will always believe in meh heart dat he have what it takes and more.
But sentiment doh cut it at dis level. Only performance. And when people at dat level eye on yuh and yuh doh produce...not even a glimmer....dem eye does tun to de nex up and comer quick quick.
In footballin terms, Carlos eh no spring chicken. He have a very small window of opportunity. I still backin he to come good and show everybody the player that we all know he is. But he better get he act togeddah...and mighty quick too.
A man play 3 games after a long injury layoff and you ready to write him off??? ???
Come nah man. Yuh better than that.
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I really thought he would have cut it at this level. I really did. And not just cut it, but excell.
De man cyah beat de most rudimentary of left backs. 90% of de time he get de ball, he lookin to get de ball inside de box. While his delivery has improved, his ability to go past his man is non existent. McEvely? As clumsy a left back as it have in de EPL and he own Carlos whole match?
One word. SHOCKING. To me at least. I know he has been injured but this is his 3rd match back against the weakest opposition he is likely to face all season and he looked pedestrian.
As a BIG Carlos Edwards fan, I'm almost crushed.
no need to get so dramatic
enough men hit yuh dat prayers already, so lemme jes add a lil extra something to think about.
Carlos not only miss a lot of the season..he missed a lot of preseason. And dat is more detrimental than the games he miss. De man didn't even get a chance to be fully prepared for the start of the season...much less the swing of it.
Also, no player can play an entire season at peak level. injury or no injury..there was always the likelihood that Carlos (and trust me it will happen with kenwyne and just about any player you can think of) would go through a run of poor games. Every player..big and small gets hit with a session of the season where they can't put their whole game together, regardless of how fit they are.
Finally..did you see Thierry Henry's first few games for Arsenal? How about Drogba for Chelsea? What about Benjani's first 2 seasons in the EPL? Remember what was said of Yorke when he first played for Aston Villa? Gosh man..Allyuh does act like like allyuh doh watch football sometimes. Having 3 or 4 bad games does not mean yuh cannot cut it at a certain level ::)
Now it remains to be seen how he progresses..but Keane has made it clear carlos is very important and is telling people to give him and Whitehead some games. he will give him a fair chance. he just came back from 2 back to back hamstring injuries..so NOPE..don't expect him to be able to blow by anyone or feel 100% when trying to make a cut. Relax and enjoy de ride. If he doh cut it..hard luck..but yuh sound de alarm too early bredda. And de man playing for Sunderland, not AC Milan, so all de worriers could calm down about whether his time running out? Yeah..he will lose his spot if he regain form in a timing, but it eh happening as quick as allyuh fear. Carlos is 28 or 29. He ain't a spring chicken, but he def a later bloomer, like many Trinis, so he have good years ahead of him still. Like I say..relax and enjoy de ride. We boy Carlos have it. Hopefully everything comes together and he shows it. And if he eh make it, is a hard luck. Better players than Carlos reach in the EPL and couldn't put it together. But still, way too early to say breds.
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Well said Filoh. Plus Carlos has been playing at peak form since before the World Cup in Germany. We've come to expect that level from him. To me his excellent performance in Germany against TOP players and competition was really the icing on the cake. There is little doubt that he could thrive in the EPL never mind "cut it."
How do we explain Yorke's move away from the striker's position to defensive midfield, when the likes of Andy Cole and Heskey et al still producing at that position?
Is it that they eh reach that age yet? Not trying to be contentious, was just wondering.
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Early eh?
Ok. How long is enough allyuh tink?
10 games?
De ress a de season?
Carlos came to this EPL season with tremendous expectations....not just from fans like mehself....but FOOTBALL people.
Many were excited to see if he could translate his form to this level.
Given his performances thus far, even acknowledging THE FACT that he is coming off a lengthy injury, he has not suggested anything like what he demonstrated at other levels.
As a Trinbagonian, I will always believe in meh heart dat he have what it takes and more.
But sentiment doh cut it at dis level. Only performance. And when people at dat level eye on yuh and yuh doh produce...not even a glimmer....dem eye does tun to de nex up and comer quick quick.
In footballin terms, Carlos eh no spring chicken. He have a very small window of opportunity. I still backin he to come good and show everybody the player that we all know he is. But he better get he act togeddah...and mighty quick too.
A man play 3 games after a long injury layoff and you ready to write him off??? ???
Come nah man. Yuh better than that.
ah think we kill palos alyuh check to see if he breathing there :devil:
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Me eh see wuz all de fuss about wha Palos say,all de man do was voice he opinion based on Carlos performance against a championship caliber team.
Anybody that see the game must be disappointed wid Carlos play,now come back from injury or not.I eh ready to write him off and ah doh think Palos write him off either but he saying he was 'crushed' by his play against a defender that he shud be beating at will.Somebody bring up ah talk bout 'Keane must be eh want him beating' but that is nonsense ah player has de green light to create when de opportunity presents itself,if Carlos had take on and get pass his defender Keane wud have nuttin to say, but he cuddn't.
Everybody pounding Palos bout ,he eh fit,and he now come up in de EPL,well hear what, the truth of the matter is that at this level,when owners spending big money, wey de EPL spending big money is either yuh cud cut it or yuh cannot.Man calling Drogba and dem name an saying look how much time dey take or watch dey fuss 3 games back from injury and yuh go see dey eh look good but what all yuh fail tuh realize is clubs WILL wait on big players like Drogba,and co but Carlos have to prove himself at this level and while injuries have played a major part in his return to top form dah top form is only at the championship level he has not excelled in de EPL as yet,and dais Palos disappointment.
Carlos will be turning 30 soon (if he eh 30 already I cud be wrong) at this level yuh have tuh bring it once yuh considered fit tuh start dey expecting yuh tuh bring it,reserve games,training and 3 games might be early to judge ah shitsnake but is Carlos we talking about and if he so good he shud start bringing it to the level we all know he cud reach.So all yuh doh kick up Palos so hard yet becuz only time will tell if Carlos cud not just 'cut it' but excelL in de EPL .
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Me eh see wuz all de fuss about wha Palos say,all de man do was voice he opinion based on Carlos performance against a championship caliber team.
Anybody that see the game must be disappointed wid Carlos play,now come back from injury or not.I eh ready to write him off and ah doh think Palos write him off either but he saying he was 'crushed' by his play against a defender that he shud be beating at will.Somebody bring up ah talk bout 'Keane must be eh want him beating' but that is nonsense ah player has de green light to create when de opportunity presents itself,if Carlos had take on and get pass his defender Keane wud have nuttin to say, but he cuddn't.
Everybody pounding Palos bout ,he eh fit,and he now come up in de EPL,well hear what, the truth of the matter is that at this level,when owners spending big money, wey de EPL spending big money is either yuh cud cut it or yuh cannot.Man calling Drogba and dem name an saying look how much time dey take or watch dey fuss 3 games back from injury and yuh go see dey eh look good but what all yuh fail tuh realize is clubs WILL wait on big players like Drogba,and co but Carlos have to prove himself at this level and while injuries have played a major part in his return to top form dah top form is only at the championship level he has not excelled in de EPL as yet,and dais Palos disappointment.
Carlos will be turning 30 soon (if he eh 30 already I cud be wrong) at this level yuh have tuh bring it once yuh considered fit tuh start dey expecting yuh tuh bring it,reserve games,training and 3 games might be early to judge ah shitsnake but is Carlos we talking about and if he so good he shud start bringing it to the level we all know he cud reach.So all yuh doh kick up Palos so hard yet becuz only time will tell if Carlos cud not just 'cut it' but excelL in de EPL .
nutten wrong with Palos sentiment
is just that he started off inferring that based on his performance Carlos can't cut it at this level..and that is what people take issue with. we telling Palos to relax. it too early to push de panic button to that level of high alert breds ;D
is a tough love..heheh
in any case, no coach expects a player to be back 100% after the kinda injury problems Carlos has had. your expectations are a bit unrealistic too. every understands the concept of match fitness..and Carlos sorely lacking match fitness. PLus this is a different level. Might just need time to adjust in addition to everything else.
being dissapointed he not ripping is jes fine. we are all fans and expectations always end up being inflated if yuh especially rate a player. but to write him off as not being able to cut it at this level is overdramatic, especially in his first few games ever at this club level (fit or not)
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Only time will tell ....
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just the way palos structure de topic with that big 'SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO' in de title is over dramatic...
de damn ting like ah eyesore on de message board..
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Only time will tell ....
true dat :beermug: