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Sports => Football => Topic started by: AB.Trini on January 05, 2008, 09:40:16 AM
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"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s"
How does one keep politics separate from football?
I often wonder how the TTFF Special Advisor (is he advising or dictating?) is able to convince coaches to venture into a perilous position.......coaching in TNT? Are these appointments for the general good of football or are they designed to propagate a political position?
I am drawn to Shakespeare's play Juilus Caesar as I reflect on the themes of ambition, and the yearning for power by our own Prince Machavelli. it also reflects how miscommunication both in the form of deception and self-deception, is endemic not only in the action of Shakespeare's Julius Caesar but may also be in the process of selecting a national coach.
Imagine if you will a scene with the special advisor offering the coaching reins to someone:
" And then he offered it the third time. He put it the third time by; and still as he refused it, the rabblement hooted and clapped their chopt hands, and threw up their sweaty nightcaps, and uttered such a deal of stinking breath"
Are we the rabblement that hoots and howls at every appointment as though a Saviour has landed in our midst?
With all due respect to the now present (flavour of the day) senior coach it behoves me to be objective in seeking out clarity as to the process and thinking which goes into appointing a coach in TNT. Without stating the obvious everyone could possibly surmise that Mr. Warner is the anointed ‘brain thrust’ (tongue in cheek) behind each selection. But what is the long term impact of the manner of these selections on the sustainability and growth of our football program, and our capacity to develop knowledge and expertise among our local players and coaches?
In previous WC campaigns prior to 2007, we met with relative success but again the tradition of changing coaches continued.
How is it that countries like Costa Rica and Mexico are able to consistently achieve success with local coaches? Is it the system they employ or is it their football program? Or the football ethos which seems to thrive in those countries? Did Beenhakker’s success give rise to a paradigm switch in our selection mandate for the national men’s team? Do we now put more faith in the style or system of an international expert over our own?
Tia Turner in her song asked the question 'what does love have to do with it; it is a second hand emotion? well what does style or system of play have do do with it? Does it matter? as long as the players you have could achieve success playing with what is being implemented.
If one was to objectively examine Bertille St Clair’s prior success before the WC qualifying debacle would it not be worthy of merit? Paradoxically, his successor’s imminent success has now seems to give rise to a thinking that in order for us to be successful, we need to have an international coach with prior success. Reflect on the appointment of Wim after the WC? Was there not some clandestine meeting abroad and the next thing you know Wim is at the helm. Supporters clamoured with glee at the possibility of continuity under the prior regime. With the naming of A.Corneal, some folks again were ready to praise the appointment as one that deserves merit; now in comes Francisco Maturana. We are still uncertain as to whether he is adorned with the title of fulltime coach till 2010 or interim.
How would TNT nationals like, Anton Corneal, Latapy, Stephan Hart or any others who may one day in the future aspire to achieve success as a national coach ever be given that opportunity? Would they have to seek opportunities elsewhere and prove their success before an opportunity is given to them in their homeland? Would it be a ‘crying shame’ for TNT if Corneal was to take Barbados or St. Kitts to the World Cup? This man has been a bridesmaid for many; only a bride for a short period. One would think that he has learned and has acquired some knowledge under the tutelage of prior coaches.
I ask the question is the present coaching selection one that is thoughtfully and intentionally done so as to sustain our program, players and local coaches or is it one that is strives for serendipitous success?
Would history repeat itself and would Maturana join the list of TTFF coaching merry go –round or would we among the elite in South Africa in 2010? Welcome to the world on TNT football Maturana.
TTFF's coaching merry-go-round.
Stuart Fevrier named new T&T Head Coach.
By Shaun Fuentes.
15-May-2003 - The Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation, on Thursday, announced prominent local-based coach Stuart Charles Fevrier as Head Coach of the Trinidad and Tobago National Senior and Olympic teams for a four-year period in the first instance.
T&T Express Reports.
16-Jan-2004 - The TTFF are notoriously restless in the period surrounding the World Cup qualifying campaign.
Starworld Strikers coach and celebrated past national player, Everald "Gally" Cummings, was the last coach to be allowed to lead his team throughout a qualifying campaign when he took the "Strike Squad" to within a point of the 1990 World Cup tournament.
Another local coach, Edgar Vidale, led the national team for their short lived 1994 campaign although he was made junior to Brazilian Clovis D'Oliviera at a crucial juncture.
For the 1998 qualifiers, the technical bench was cramped for space as a then unprecedented number of coaches, technical directors and advisors were employed.
Yugoslav Zoran Vranes ran the first leg before being replaced by Brazilian Sebastiao de Pereira after just one match in the CONCACAF semi-final stage.
However, Cummings, Look Loy and Kenny Joseph also played significant roles during the course of the campaign.
National head coach Bertille St Clair was axed one week before the first 2002 World Cup qualifying game after FIFA vice-president and T&TFF special advisor Jack Warner said he was dissatisfied with their returns of a Gold Cup semi-final place.
His replacement, Scotsman Ian Porterfield, was demoted to head coach below Brazilian Rene Simoes while Vranes and Corneal were also brought in to assist. Porterfield eventually lost the job outright to the Brazilian.
Fevrier, a success at Pro League team Vibe CT 105 W Connection, was termed "a quintessential Caribbean man" by Warner when he was selected to lead the team into the 2006 campaign last May. Eight months later, the TTFF have had another change of heart.
Hannibal Najjar falls on his sword.
By Lasana Liburd.
01.Apr.03 - Trinidad and Tobago national football team technical director and head coach Hannibal Najjar had his term brought to an abrupt end yesterday on April Fools' Day.
Najjar, who accepted the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) post last October, failed to guarantee the “Soca Warriors” an automatic place in the 2003 CONCACAF Gold Cup after falling 3-1 to Cuba at the Manny Ramjohn Stadium, Marabella last Sunday.
The T&TFF yesterday announced Najjar’s resignation via a press release, which further stated that ex-Joe Public coach, Zoran Vranes, would be returned to serve as interim coach.
Warriors go from St Clair to Beenhakker.
By: Lasana Liburd - T&T Express.
03-Apr-2005 - If only they had fired Bertille St Clair sooner. Surely I am not the only one thinking it. But my feelings have less to do with St Clair's reign than the possibilities offered by his replacement.
How much sweeter it is to swoon over Beenhakker's resume than to discuss St Clair's perceived shortcomings. Three Spanish titles at the helm of Real Madrid, three Dutch league crowns, a World Cup finals appearance with Holland (1990), while he got Saudi Arabia to the 1994 edition for the first time in their history-they showed their gratitude by sacking him before the tournament started because of their dislike for his training methods.
He even has experience of CONCACAF superpowers, Mexico, after joining Club America as coach for the 1994-95 season. Again, he was sacked. Ostensibly for failing to win silverware, although there were rumours that he threw a club director from his dressing room.
The 62-year-old Dutchman is the most accomplished coach ever to lead out a Trinidad and Tobago outfit and he deserves every opportunity to fulfill his mission, which is to take the artists-formerly-known-as-the-Soca Warriors into the Germany 2006 World Cup tournament.
Spare a thought for St Clair who, like Hannibal Najjar two years ago, was crudely replaced on April Fool's Eve. It is a date that local coaches with international aspirations might want to write into their calendars. Then, Najjar reiterated his commitment to the job and willingness to continue at the same time that the T&TFF was faxing his resignation to the various media houses.
St Clair discovered he was sacked on his way to a team meeting with his employers via a radio broadcast. How would you feel if you turned up for work and saw someone sitting in your desk and your family pictures in a cardboard box while everyone tried to avoid eye contact?
I do not think St Clair would have taken T&T to the World Cup. I felt he did not enjoy the full support of T&TFF technical director Lincoln "Tiger" Phillips, who questioned his tactics too freely in public or the Football Federation, who subjected him to a humiliating "public symposium" last November. And I believe he was in danger of losing the dressing room by his tactical meandering.
His failure to settle on a team system, a strike partnership or a holding midfielder was also a distraction.
But I also believe that St Clair does not deserve to be called a flop. He left the team in a better shape than he got it, just like he did in his first stint five years ago.
Birmingham City striker Dwight Yorke, Trinidad and Tobago's most successful and best player, is back in the fold and committed enough to sacrifice his attacking instincts by playing a midfield role, while Portsmouth goalkeeper Shaka Hislop also agreed to lend his calming influence to the squad-on and off the field.
At the local level, the players were again taught to respect the national shirt and the merit of graft and discipline. Anton Pierre and Denzil Theobold emerged better for it, as did Clayton Ince, Stern John and Dale Saunders during his first spell as head coach.
In 2000, Scotsman Ian Porterfield took over a team in a rich vein of form after an unprecedented top-four finish at the CONCACAF Gold Cup tournament.
It was St Clair's rotten luck to twice run first leg rather than anchor, but it is to his credit that he was asked to run in the first place and he did not disgrace himself on either occasion.
His final record is 35 games played with 18 wins, three draws and 14 losses, which makes him the first coach to end with more wins than draws and losses since Porterfield, who was sacked on June 25, 2001.
Trinidad and Tobago managed just one point from a possible nine in their first three final round World Cup qualifiers but that is not an unusual position for the twin island republic.
Porterfield got one point from five outings before Warner's patience ran out. They are the only three coaches to lead the T&TFF into the final CONCACAF qualifying round since the 1974 World Cup campaign. St Clair did not ask for the job-he was summoned to serve his country, did his best and should be thanked for his efforts.
Perhaps he was the chosen one.
The king is dead...hail the king.
Rijsbergen looking forward to 2010 challenge.
By: Shaun Fuentes.
Newly appointed National Team senior coach Wim Rijsbergen says he’s relishing the challenge of leading the national team towards South Africa 2010 but moreso helping this country to maintain the momentum it picked up following its qualification and subsequent performance at the 2006 World Cup Finals in Germany.
Just one day following the announcement of his new position Rijsbergen said he was already drawing up plans to assist in the development of the youth system and the senior team.
I am delighted to be able to take up the position as head coach of Trinidad and Tobago. One of the good things about this is that while I also had to look past some of the other offers which came my way for jobs after the World Cup, the fact that I already had some involvement with Trinidad and that we had already worked towards something and I know what it’s like there now, and after discussing with Mr Warner, I said the decision to remain here was something I was looking forward to, Rijsbergen told TTFF Media on Wednesday.
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Curious as to why hislop never commented on the constant changing of coaches and lack of continuity i guess he come to accept this as the norm
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In looking at some of the moves, there appears to be a rift at times between the technical advisor and the head coach. How important is it to have the technical advisor in on the coaching interviews and to have them align their respective football philosophies?
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"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s"
How does one keep politics separate from football?
I often wonder how the TTFF Special Advisor (is he advising or dictating?) is able to convince coaches to venture into a perilous position.......coaching in TNT? Are these appointments for the general good of football or are they designed to propagate a political position?
I am drawn to Shakespeare's play Juilus Caesar as I reflect on the themes of ambition, and the yearning for power by our own Prince Machavelli. it also reflects how Miscommunication, both in the form of deception and self-deception, is endemic in the action of Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.
Imagine if you will a scene with the special advisor offering the coaching reins to someone:
" And then he offered it the third time. He put it the third time by; and still as he refused it, the rabblement hooted and clapped their chopt hands, and threw up their sweaty nightcaps, and uttered such a deal of stinking breath"
Are we the rabblement that hoots and howls at every appointment as though a Saviour has landed in our midst?
With all due respect to the now present (flavour of the day) senior coach it behoves me to be objective in seeking out clarity as to the process and thinking which goes into appointing a coach in TNT. Without stating the obvious everyone could possibly surmise that Mr. Warner is the anointed ‘brain thrust’ (tongue in cheek) behind each selection. But what is the long term impact of the manner of these selections on the sustainability and growth of our football program, and our capacity to develop knowledge and expertise among our local players and coaches?
we ALL know who/where the problem is/lies ;)
Dictator Jackula
"How is it that countries like Costa Rica and Mexico are able to consistently achieve success with local coaches? Is it the system they employ or is it their football program?"
as I have said before, just IMAGINE if Jackula decided to treat players in a civilised way HOW WELL our football program would do.....just imagine.
IN the meantime........put on ya seat belts and make the best of our RIDE
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There must be a merry-go-round in T&T Football because Coaches are never respected or can't command respect,every Coach is controlled and has to be told by his employers what to do,it will always have conflicts between members of our technical staff because egos often come into play,the who better than who mentality comes into play.
In T&T Coaches are not given enough time to prove themselves,all it takes is losing one game/tournament to be changed,how are these guys to gain any experience,have we ever asked ourselves how much better has foreign Coaches done than our locals(take out Benie),it's very difficult for our Coaches to be productive because of the systems we have in place for having players ready and on call when ever the country needs them,we still have a amateurish approach to Football,we doing things based on what somebody else have done and not what works for our country.How other countries get their players when ever they want them?it's all because they have a 1,2,3/4 year plan so everybody knows in advance when players must be released.
T&T has a history of changing Coaches and is because we are looking for overnight/instant success,the successful teams are those that prepare long term,have a plan in place which everybody follows and sticks to it,my view also is that not all the blame should be put on Coaches the quality of our players must be improved if the standard is to be lifted.
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Coop's ah wonder if we may see an organization for coaches like FPATT?
Football Coaches Association Trinidad Tobago? FCATT
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Coop's ah wonder if we may see an organization for coaches like FPATT?
Football Coaches Association Trinidad Tobago? FCATT
I don't know if it was ever attempted before my time but when i was involved back in the eighties one was started but never got off the ground,it had men like Isa,Edie Hart,Sharkey Henry etc etc
If you look at what going on with those club Coaches in the country there is nothing cordial about their relationships,they get at each other on and off the field,eventually they will have to have one it will definitely help the game,even if it's just to share ideas,my view is that recommendations for our national Coach should be submitted by an association like this for consideration.
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We are not alone:
Fabio Capello, welcome to the asylum
By Henry Winter, chief football correspondent
Last Updated: 12:09am GMT 05/01/2008
Page 1 of 2
Welcome to the mad-house, Fabio. Welcome to a world where the one England footballer you know, David Beckham, trains with French and Spanish speakers in Hertfordshire and plays with Americans in California. Welcome to a national sport where four England luminaries, John Terry, Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard and Gary Neville, hobble around injured while a lesser light, Joey Barton, awaits trial.
Welcome, Fabio, to the land that sanity forgot, where the national football stadium is used for motor racing and where the airport departure lounges teem with players heading off for the African Cup of Nations. The arrivals halls throng with foreigners eyeing lucrative transfer-window moves.
As you will discover, Fabio, English football is as crazy as it is exciting. This is the country where the Footballer of the Year ended the country's interest in Euro 2004 and the 2006 World Cup. You'll see the wonderful Portuguese dream-weaver called Cristiano Ronaldo in action at Villa Park today.
In keeping with the manic, speed-obsessed realm you have entered, you are certainly cramming the matches in. In your first five days, you will take in four matches in two competitions that no other nation takes seriously, namely the domestic cups.
You start with a weekend of FA Cup frenzy, kicking off with Aston Villa versus Ronaldo's Manchester United, which at least gives you a chance to assess Gabriel Agbonlahor's promise and enjoy the sheer class of Wayne Rooney. And if you do go with a 4-2-3-1 formation, Villa's Gareth Barry and United's Owen Hargreaves could form your deep midfield. But be careful with long-term planning and building around individuals; the first English word you will learn is "metatarsal".
Maybe the FA are trying to make you feel at home, with an opening game at Spaghetti Junction, but the traffic will be grim. In England, cones are for motorways, not national training centres (which we don't have yet). Don't try taking the train to Birmingham, Fabio; they may put you on a bus at Nuneaton because of problems at Rugby. Rugby, by the way, is a sport the English are good at.
Tomorrow brings the delights of Luton Town against a Gerrard-less Liverpool. You can admire Jamie Carragher leading the visitors and defending as if his life depended on it but don't expect anything more than a polite nod afterwards. Sadly, Carragher has retired internationally as has that little midfield gem at United, Paul Scholes. Two of England's best footballers will not return your calls, Fabio. Sorry.
As you observe Carragher and a Liverpool team full of Spaniards battling along the road to Wembley, you will realise that the Twin Towers have been replaced by the tower of Babel. You will also become aware this is a country that wants underdogs to win. If you hear the sound of widespread cackling it will be because Middlesbrough have slipped up at Bristol City or Portsmouth have faltered at Ipswich Town.
Why not join the anticipated eight million TV audience for Newcastle United's nervy trip to tall, strong Stoke City tomorrow? One of the outside contenders for your job, Sam Allardyce, will be the one chewing everything from gum to his nails while one of the contenders for his job, Alan Shearer, passes judgement in the studio: welcome to football's X Factor.
The following morning brings your first day at Soho Square: glide impassively past the photographers and take the lift to the fourth floor. The room that looks as if the decorators keep coming in and out is the England manager's office.
Tuesday and Wednesday bring the semi-finals of the Carling Cup (football and beer, it's a long tradition in England, Fabio). Chelsea versus Everton is followed by Arsenal against Spurs. Expect fireworks. And a word of advice: watch Arsenal only in the cups as that is when they field their English players. Look out for Mark Randall, a promising midfielder born in Milton Keynes (where the cows are concrete and the local team comes from south London).
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After this five-day crash course in English football, you will appreciate why English players are physically drained by summer-time and also mentally ill-equipped for the more cerebral international football. Your job is to turn a collection of paint-ballers into chess grand masters.
But Fabio, you will find some decent players in the England dressing-room, and some more knocking on the door. If anyone can bring some sanity, and success, to the asylum of English football, you can. Good luck.
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There must be a merry-go-round in T&T Football because Coaches are never respected or can't command respect,every Coach is controlled and has to be told by his employers what to do,it will always have conflicts between members of our technical staff because egos often come into play,the who better than who mentality comes into play.
In T&T Coaches are not given enough time to prove themselves,all it takes is losing one game/tournament to be changed,how are these guys to gain any experience,have we ever asked ourselves how much better has foreign Coaches done than our locals(take out Benie),it's very difficult for our Coaches to be productive because of the systems we have in place for having players ready and on call when ever the country needs them,we still have a amateurish approach to Football,we doing things based on what somebody else have done and not what works for our country.How other countries get their players when ever they want them?it's all because they have a 1,2,3/4 year plan so everybody knows in advance when players must be released.
T&T has a history of changing Coaches and is because we are looking for overnight/instant success,the successful teams are those that prepare long term,have a plan in place which everybody follows and sticks to it,my view also is that not all the blame should be put on Coaches the quality of our players must be improved if the standard is to be lifted.
Interesting stuff Coop's
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A coach's contractual obligation must be very conditionally compiled. Which coach is has the most longevity coaching a national team?
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In terms of merry go round.. come bet
Jackula, sorry TTFF, go run outta dullahs and and find a way to fire Maturana after de World Cup qualifiers if we doh qualify or after deCUp if we do. Eh heh? Remember dis thread. Loud steupssssss....
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How would people assess the work of coach Maturana to this point? Note like Mr. B, this coach has also solicited the assistance of his countrymen.
Do you think that he is getting significant results from the players he has had to work with a this point?
Compared to his immediate predecessors (excluding Mr. B), does Maturana seem to have a concrete plan for the developing and creating of a formidable TNT team?
How would people characterize his coaching style compared to his predecessors?
For those who have seen the last two games we played so far, are there any significant changes in our team's style of play or systems used?
How do you think the present coach is dealing with the challenges of coaching in TNT?
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what HAPPEN 'CAT BITE ALLYUH TONGUE' NO BODY HAVE ANY ASSESSMENT ON THE SUBJECT?
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what HAPPEN 'CAT BITE ALLYUH TONGUE' NO BODY HAVE ANY ASSESSMENT ON THE SUBJECT?
nope.
Guess no one has an assessment on the subject.
Can the thread rest in peace now?
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Simple Answer- Most third world countries suffer from this disease- NIH
Not Invented Here.
From a religious standpoint- Jesus said- A prophet has no honor in his own country.
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What people jumping to this already? and the wheel goes round and round . same shit different pile different year.
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The two names at the top of my list would be ZICO and VAN BASTEN
Who's your pick
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But Wait, Bertille, Corneal or TI not on the list. This poll is bogus!
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also missing:
russel latapy
lincoln philip
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Nakhid= The Canadian Trini- Latapy.
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I would suggest finding another Beenhaker type ,that we could pull off the Dutch scrap heap .Cause some of the choices are dreamable .But who ,an previous dutch national coach maybe
.Cause with beenie, I starting to feel we moving like ah man ,who get leave out by ah sweet thing ,and still begging she to come back 2 yrs later ,even doh she have a new man .
Also what about a mexican coach ....one who speaks english ::) ,.......even doh somebody once said here the Mex hate us .
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But Wait, Bertille, Corneal or TI not on the list. This poll is bogus!
You're being sarcastic right Bertille had us in a tailspin before DON LEO took over, Corneal's record ahem, laugh, cough, speaks for itself and who is TI again?
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But Wait, Bertille, Corneal or TI not on the list. This poll is bogus!
You're being sarcastic right Bertille had us in a tailspin before DON LEO took over, Corneal's record ahem, laugh, cough, speaks for itself and who is TI again?
TI is Hardest Publicist.
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But Wait, Bertille, Corneal or TI not on the list. This poll is bogus!
You're being sarcastic right Bertille had us in a tailspin before DON LEO took over, Corneal's record ahem, laugh, cough, speaks for itself and who is TI again?
TI is Hardest Publicist.
:rotfl: :rotfl:
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weak teams need strong coach ;)
bruce arena
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weak teams need strong coach ;)
bruce arena
LOL! :rotfl:
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ME! :devil:
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Ah like how man iz be quick tuh call Latapy name in de jump up... and not one soul could comment on his coaching competence......
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Ah like how man iz be quick tuh call Latapy name in de jump up... and not one soul could comment on his coaching competence......
if the setup and supporting staff around him is configured right, I for one would support Latapy as Manager despite whatever coaching credentials (or lack thereof) he brings to the table.
That could work..
you have a man who the entire nation and player pool look up to and adore steering the ship. You can't buy a personality like that and the level of respect he would bring to the table just because of who he is. I could see everyone being on the same page and trying to achieve the same goal playing for the manager. Petty differences could be put to one side.
That said, he must have a good supporting technical staff to buffer any lack of tactical abilities and expertise.
I think thats how it worked with Klinnsman, Rijkaard (for holland), Voeller, Bilic and a host of others on the international stage.
I for dat.
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Anybody ever give a though to what TERRY FENWICK could do with a TRINIDAD team. At least nobody wouldn't have to tell him who to pick
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Ah like how man iz be quick tuh call Latapy name in de jump up... and not one soul could comment on his coaching competence......
if the setup and supporting staff around him is configured right, I for one would support Latapy as Manager despite whatever coaching credentials (or lack thereof) he brings to the table.
That could work..
you have a man who the entire nation and player pool look up to and adore steering the ship. You can't buy a personality like that and the level of respect he would bring to the table just because of who he is. I could see everyone being on the same page and trying to achieve the same goal playing for the manager. Petty differences could be put to one side.
That said, he must have a good supporting technical staff to buffer any lack of tactical abilities and expertise.
I think thats how it worked with Klinnsman, Rijkaard (for holland), Voeller, Bilic and a host of others on the international stage.
I for dat.
I agree with you on that. I for one would love to see the trio of LATAS SHAKA AND YORKE at the helm
now that would be a strong technical team. SHAKA handling the keepers, Yorke second in command, Latas as head coach
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Anybody ever give a though to what TERRY FENWICK could do with a TRINIDAD team. At least nobody wouldn't have to tell him who to pick
that is a good point there
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Anybody ever give a though to what TERRY FENWICK could do with a TRINIDAD team. At least nobody wouldn't have to tell him who to pick
that is a good point there
Hmm, at least he knows T&T football pretty good. Still though, he's had so many run ins with the TTFF and others in the local football fraternity, I'm not sure. Still a good mention.
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Ah like how man iz be quick tuh call Latapy name in de jump up... and not one soul could comment on his coaching competence......
if the setup and supporting staff around him is configured right, I for one would support Latapy as Manager despite whatever coaching credentials (or lack thereof) he brings to the table.
That could work..
you have a man who the entire nation and player pool look up to and adore steering the ship. You can't buy a personality like that and the level of respect he would bring to the table just because of who he is. I could see everyone being on the same page and trying to achieve the same goal playing for the manager. Petty differences could be put to one side.
That said, he must have a good supporting technical staff to buffer any lack of tactical abilities and expertise.
I think thats how it worked with Klinnsman, Rijkaard (for holland), Voeller, Bilic and a host of others on the international stage.
I for dat.
Yeah he has alot of the intangibles working in his favor, but you make a good point i.e. "if the set up is right".....
I'd love to see Latapy make the transition and succeed in doing so- but at this point I have no basis for it.
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Wah about Yorke. The Prem now has 4 former Man U players as coaches. They seem to be hot property. Plus we all know Yorke's influence, leadership, and the respect he commands from the football fraternity. He is acquiring his coaching licenses.
If not now, he probably will be one for the not too distant future.
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Johannes Neeskens or Ronald Koeman would be good also
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I believe latas already has his coaching creds- he is assistant coach/manager whatever at his current club, and absolutely NOT fenwick. That man has no respect and no behaviour. I'llnever forget the clothesline he gave an opposing player at a game. saw it with my own eyes on TV.
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Donadoni is availabe. I wish but on a more serious note Fenwick would be a much better option, imo, than anything we have locally including Cornmeal.
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Beenhaker, without a doubt! We know what he could do and has done. The grass may actually be dry on the other side. Beeny all the way!
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Not d thug Fenick please
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Having the privilege of a FIFA VP in our organization, you would think that as a nation we would be a role model to all other couturiers with our preparation and organization for WC. But instead we are a joke.
This just shows that people like JW are clueless about the game and these kind of people gets into position through false pretense.
You think that Maturana don't know that we got a mickey mouse organization and to just grab the cash $ and run.
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Yep take we oil money it flowin
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Anybody ever give a though to what TERRY FENWICK could do with a TRINIDAD team. At least nobody wouldn't have to tell him who to pick
He might cuff dong de players if they doing shit . !
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Here we go again: The coaching Merry- go Round
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=33062.msg383464#msg383464
In a world of instant success; immediate results, and where football federations are hijacking fans and keeping them at ransom and $$$$$$$ are disappearing faster than leaders, coaches seem to be the biggest SCAPEGOATS.
WHAT do we really want in a coach?
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I see a number of people have been choosing BEENHAKER and the only reason I did not pick him is, "WHY AND WHAT"
WHY WOULD BEENIE COME BACK
WHY WOULD HE WANT TO DEAL WITH JACK
WHY WOULD HE TAKE OVER THE PRESENT SQUAD WTIHOUT USING THE FOREIGN BASED PLAYERS
WHAT INCENTIVE DOES BEENIE HAVE TO RETURN
WHAT IF POLAND EXTEND HIS TENURE TO THE WORLD CUP
I think we should forget about Beenie because I don't see him in our future. I did forget KLINSMAN however. How come more people did not pick ZICO? I think Zico would be a great coach, look how he had the Japs playing. Van Basten would also be great, don't judge what happened in the EURO, he has a long line of experience coming out of the AJAX system all the way to the National Team and his discipline and no nonsense approach is exactly what we need
Now look, it's unrealistic to think we could win the World Cup but these guys can get us there
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I think that Fenwick may be a good choice.....
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Ah like how man iz be quick tuh call Latapy name in de jump up... and not one soul could comment on his coaching competence......
if the setup and supporting staff around him is configured right, I for one would support Latapy as Manager despite whatever coaching credentials (or lack thereof) he brings to the table.
That could work..
you have a man who the entire nation and player pool look up to and adore steering the ship. You can't buy a personality like that and the level of respect he would bring to the table just because of who he is. I could see everyone being on the same page and trying to achieve the same goal playing for the manager. Petty differences could be put to one side.
That said, he must have a good supporting technical staff to buffer any lack of tactical abilities and expertise.
I think thats how it worked with Klinnsman, Rijkaard (for holland), Voeller, Bilic and a host of others on the international stage.
I for dat.
I agree with you on that. I for one would love to see the trio of LATAS SHAKA AND YORKE at the helm
now that would be a strong technical team. SHAKA handling the keepers, Yorke second in command, Latas as head coach
Fenwick is a kaka hole.
I would like to see Yorke, Latas and Shaka running all of TnT football.
Yorke as Technical Director
Latas as Coach and
Shaka as head of the TTFF
we would be in good business, a bright future.
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As a man said in another thread Bruce Arena would be an excellent prospect.
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As a man said in another thread Bruce Arena would be an excellent prospect.
Bruce Arena has no respect for our footballing ability and does not posess the patience I believe to work down here.
Anybody ever give a though to what TERRY FENWICK could do with a TRINIDAD team. At least nobody wouldn't have to tell him who to pick
He might cuff dong de players if they doing shit . !
Some of them may need that.
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I see a number of people have been choosing BEENHAKER and the only reason I did not pick him is, "WHY AND WHAT"
WHY WOULD BEENIE COME BACK
WHY WOULD HE WANT TO DEAL WITH JACK
WHY WOULD HE TAKE OVER THE PRESENT SQUAD WTIHOUT USING THE FOREIGN BASED PLAYERS
WHAT INCENTIVE DOES BEENIE HAVE TO RETURN
WHAT IF POLAND EXTEND HIS TENURE TO THE WORLD CUP
I think we should forget about Beenie because I don't see him in our future. I did forget KLINSMAN however. How come more people did not pick ZICO? I think Zico would be a great coach, look how he had the Japs playing. Van Basten would also be great, don't judge what happened in the EURO, he has a long line of experience coming out of the AJAX system all the way to the National Team and his discipline and no nonsense approach is exactly what we need
Now look, it's unrealistic to think we could win the World Cup but these guys can get us there
dont you think that what you say about Beenie should also apply to EVERY coach we may want as our dream coach
just asking eh
I am starting to wonder what Mats really doing here in truth...the money must be damn good for he to allow Jackula and Cornmeals to call the shots
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As a man said in another thread Bruce Arena would be an excellent prospect.
Bruce Arena has no respect for our footballing ability and does not posess the patience I believe to work down here.
Why do you say that? where's the evidence to suggest likewise?
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....hhhhhmmmmm...I iffy bout Fenwick.....he too thug life-ish.....
Anybody ever give a though to what TERRY FENWICK could do with a TRINIDAD team. At least nobody wouldn't have to tell him who to pick
Ahem...the correct team name is TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO....if dat too long, type T&T.....
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Girl Fenick dat thug eh coachin nobody Trinidad or Trinidad and Tobago left he wit Jabloteh
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As a man said in another thread Bruce Arena would be an excellent prospect.
Bruce Arena has no respect for our footballing ability and does not posess the patience I believe to work down here.
Why do you say that? where's the evidence to suggest likewise?
I myself did suggest Arena, but he did have some less than flattering things to say bout T&T jus before the 2006WC.
I would hope that an interview with him would really reveal his thoughts about us as a potential employer with the chance to make a difference and make changes as opposed to us as CONCACAF competition.
so while i still think he could get the guys fit and working hard as a team, it would be if and only IF he didnt come in with an attitude.
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This topic is of some interest in the fact that the criteria for a coach is one that appears to be one based on reputation. But what is the criteria for a coach for TNT? What does it take for a coach to be successful in this context? and what would we want from a coach in TNT?
For some the answer may be relatively simple: get us to the WC. Easier said than done. I am suggesting that we formulate a profile of what a coach ought to bring to the table o coach our national team.
I attempted the following here:
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=18636.0
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Anybody ever give a though to what TERRY FENWICK could do with a TRINIDAD team. At least nobody wouldn't have to tell him who to pick
Well, we might actually be able to get Jabloteh players for the "meaningless friendlies"...
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This topic is of some interest in the fact that the criteria for a coach is one that appears to be one based on reputation. But what is the criteria for a coach for TNT? What does it take for a coach to be successful in this context? and what would we want from a coach in TNT?
For some the answer may be relatively simple: get us to the WC. Easier said than done. I am suggesting that we formulate a profile of what a coach ought to bring to the table o coach our national team.
I attempted the following here:
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=18636.0
The ability to down three double before practice :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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I cannot believe Latas is not included as an option on the poll.
From all reports - the team seems to lack motivation and pride in the colors -
Nothing like having the team under the charge of a legend, as long as the staff is also strong. I say Latas and Gally. To bring back pride and not to mention people - back in the seats....
Imagine playing a WC qualifier in front of 1000 people!!!! There are more than that at college league games!
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I cannot believe Latas is not included as an option on the poll.
From all reports - the team seems to lack motivation and pride in the colors -
Nothing like having the team under the charge of a legend, as long as the staff is also strong. I say Latas and Gally. To bring back pride and not to mention people - back in the seats....
Imagine playing a WC qualifier in front of 1000 people!!!! There are more than that at college league games!
It isn't like de team have any world beaters ....man weighing up value for money options here you know. Remember football is in competition with other sports and activities for, in many cases , a fixed sum of money. Who people really going to see is the question ....
But I take your point about bringing back pride to the team and in my view there is none better than Gally Cummings to do that.
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for all the chelsea lovers bandwagonist
avram grant
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'The more we are together the merrier we would be'
Here we go again in the continuing saga of ' Change that Coach' This must be the TTFF longest running soap opera.
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Is the latest move good for TNT or for JW political aspirations?
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ah friend of mine who is Colombian was tell me that Colombia used to hire coaches from other south american country until the standard of play reach to par...then they start hiring their own country as TD and coaches to run there program...so i guess for us we have to do the same thing
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ah friend of mine who is Colombian was tell me that Colombia used to hire coaches from other south american country until the standard of play reach to par...then they start hiring their own country as TD and coaches to run there program...so i guess for us we have to do the same thing
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How would this benefit us?
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that the standard of play by professional and intercol players.... and dew to the standard of local coaching so the professional and intercol players level of play move up step by step so went they reach international level they up to par...
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ah friend of mine who is Colombian was tell me that Colombia used to hire coaches from other south american country until the standard of play reach to par...then they start hiring their own country as TD and coaches to run there program...so i guess for us we have to do the same thing
well dahis magic ... lift the standard of play and then insert local coach ... yuh friend assessment missing a step or two.
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We could all speculate all we want about the coming of the next 'messiah to save TNT football' but until we really examine the selection process, the quality of a coach who understands TnT an agreed upon plan for this coach everything else is just a flipping 'merry go round'
SAME TATA DIFFERENT PILE!
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This morning on his daily "One Minute" segment on i95.5fm Andre Baptiste said that he has info that two coaches (one English, one Dutch) have already been interviewed for the position of National Coach & that the intention is that the coach will be in place for the Gold Cup once T&T qualifies.
He also said that it is no coincidence that the interviewees are from England & Holland whose countries are both vying for the hosting of the 2018 World Cup.
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once latas there, we aint going no Gold Cup
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once latas there, we aint going no Gold Cup
Lets keep our expectations realistic & hope & prayer we could qualify from the group stage into the finals of the Digicel!
One step at a time! When we get there (Digicel Finals) then we could starting thinking bout if we can win it & qualify for the Gold Cup! ;)
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The little magician has one yet trick up his sleeve .
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once latas there, we aint going no Gold Cup
Lets keep our expectations realistic & hope & prayer we could qualify from the group stage into the finals of the Digicel!
One step at a time! When we get there (Digicel Finals) then we could starting thinking bout if we can win it & qualify for the Gold Cup! ;)
CO-SIGNNNNNNNNNNN baby steps
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I was waiting for the day this thread come....
But until I see names, is only talk.
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I don't doubt the info. It's the way Jack seems to work.
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The little magician has one yet trick up his sleeve .
what, the disapearing act?
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John Barnes = next T&T coach. ::)
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John Barnes = next T&T coach. ::)
We doh wah no more inexperienced coaches RF! I know yuh wishing that on we doh!
Thanks but no thanks! ::)
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I'm all in favour of Latas being replaced as coach...but the timing of this announcement/revelation is horrible. If Latas knows that he will no longer have a job after the Digicel Cup, what is his incentive for doing well in that competition and qualifying for the Gold Cup?? That's a big risk the TTFF is taking here...
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John Barnes = next T&T coach. ::)
We doh wah no more inexperienced coaches RF! I know yuh wishing that on we doh!
Thanks but no thanks! ::)
What do you mean by inexperience coach? Barnes coached Jamaica in games vs Nigeria (1-1) and he also lead Jamaica to the last digicel Caribbean cup title. That man well experienced. Also, dont forget he coached at Celtic 8)
Fun and jokes aside, the TTFF is an amateur federation at best. First they released Latapy's salary to the public, then they are reportedly interviewing potential candidates under the quiet. Add to that the latest fiasco with T&T Guvment issuing a public warning to the coach. Any self-respecting coach from Europe or anywhere else in the footballing world will look at these events as "dolly-house" behavior by the Federation.
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I'm all in favour of Latas being replaced as coach...but the timing of this announcement/revelation is horrible. If Latas knows that he will no longer have a job after the Digicel Cup, what is his incentive for doing well in that competition and qualifying for the Gold Cup?? That's a big risk the TTFF is taking here...
Is Andre Baptiste the TTFF? This is just rumour & speculation right now!
As for incentive Latas better do his best & try to win the damn Caribbean Cup and make everyone eat cow or he will be replaced as he has been given that target up front!
If Latas wins the Caribbean Cup & is given some help or asked to assist a more experienced coach in T&T winning the Gold Cup and turning things around in time for World Qualifiers then so be it! The head coach job is not one for the weak-hearted!
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I'm all in favour of Latas being replaced as coach...but the timing of this announcement/revelation is horrible. If Latas knows that he will no longer have a job after the Digicel Cup, what is his incentive for doing well in that competition and qualifying for the Gold Cup?? That's a big risk the TTFF is taking here...
He take a wuk wit these people and he know how dey does operate.
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John Barnes = next T&T coach. ::)
We doh wah no more inexperienced coaches RF! I know yuh wishing that on we doh!
Thanks but no thanks! ::)
What do you mean by inexperience coach? Barnes coached Jamaica in games vs Nigeria (1-1) and he also lead Jamaica to the last digicel Caribbean cup title. That man well experienced. Also, dont forget he coached at Celtic 8)
Fun and jokes aside, the TTFF is an amateur federation at best. First they released Latapy's salary to the public, then they are reportedly interviewing potential candidates under the quiet. Add to that the latest fiasco with T&T Guvment issuing a public warning to the coach. Any self-respecting coach from Europe or anywhere else in the footballing world will look at these events as "dolly-house" behavior by the Federation.
True but if you need Jack's support for hosting the 2018 World Cup and have been told to do what's best for our chances you will be willing to overlook them small thing!! ;)
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Wha alyuh feel Gullit and Beckham did really come for the other day?
Check back meh post...I call dat shot long time.
wait...maybe Baptiste take meh post serious.
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John Barnes = next T&T coach. ::)
We doh wah no more inexperienced coaches RF! I know yuh wishing that on we doh!
Thanks but no thanks! ::)
What do you mean by inexperience coach? Barnes coached Jamaica in games vs Nigeria (1-1) and he also lead Jamaica to the last digicel Caribbean cup title. That man well experienced. Also, dont forget he coached at Celtic 8)
Fun and jokes aside, the TTFF is an amateur federation at best. First they released Latapy's salary to the public, then they are reportedly interviewing potential candidates under the quiet. Add to that the latest fiasco with T&T Guvment issuing a public warning to the coach. Any self-respecting coach from Europe or anywhere else in the footballing world will look at these events as "dolly-house" behavior by the Federation.
True but if you need Jack's support for hosting the 2018 World Cup and have been told to do what's best for our chances you will be willing to overlook them small thing!! ;)
so lets Say that England Sends Glenn Hoddle to coach T&T in return for JW promising them the world cup. Further, Let us say that Hoddle (with Latapy as his assistant) takes T&T to the Gold Cup and end up being bamboozled and sent packing early. What now brown cow? Does that affect Englands chances of being awarded the finals? My point should be clearer now.
On second thought: Isnt Terry Fenwick English?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9109929.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9109929.stm)
Frank Rijkaard leaves post as Galatasaray coach
Rijkaard led Barcelona to Champions League success in 2006
Galatasaray coach Frank Rijkaard has left the club by mutual consent.
The Dutchman led the Turkish side to third place in the league last season but they have struggled this term.
A club statement read: "As of October 20 2010, coach Frank Rijkaard and assistant coach Johan Neeskens have left the club by mutual consent."
Ex-Barcelona boss Rijkaard has been linked to Liverpool, although the Reds' new owners have backed manager Roy Hodgson, despite the club's poor form.
New England Sports Ventures (NESV) said they had confidence in Hodgson ahead of last Sunday's Merseyside derby, but Everton's 2-0 win leaves the Reds one off the bottom of the Premier League table.
606: DEBATE
Where next for Frank Rijkaard?
Rijkaard was appointed Galatasaray coach in June 2009 but leaves with the club lying ninth in the Turkish Super Lig, having picked up only 12 points from their opening eight games. They also failed to reach the group stages of the Europa League.
After a glittering playing career, Rijkaard was appointed Netherlands coach in 1998, leading his team to the semi-finals of Euro 2000, where they lost to Italy on penalties.
After a disastrous spell at Sparta Rotterdam, where they suffered relegation during his only season in charge, Rijkaard was appointed Barcelona coach in 2003.
In a five-year spell at the Nou Camp, he led the Catalan giants to two La Liga titles and a Champions League triumph in 2006 with a 2-1 win over Arsenal in the final at the Stade de France.
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NO ENGLISH COACH !!
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NO ENGLISH COACH !!
CO-SIGNNNNNNNNN
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The nationality doesn't matter. We need a coach who can instill discipline and organise the defence better. We need to get better at not losing, then we could worry about the stylistic stuff.
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Oh gawd oh!!!!! all the time man want to get rid of Latas,but the same men only hear JW/TTFF interview a couple Cocahes they done start to speculate,is ah set of ifs and buts and feeling sorry for Latas.What alyu panicking about is only ah rumour Latas job safe he will be an assistant Coach,is alyu that say he eh qualified,ah man even say next four years he will be ready,at least now he will have time to coach a club team.
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NO ENGLISH COACH !!
Why not??
Terry Fenwick has done a magnificent job @ Jabloteh
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Keep squeezin dem balls jack!
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once latas there, we aint going no Gold Cup
lets pray the haitians, cubans, jamaicans and grenadians send there women team to the caribbean cup
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once latas there, we aint going no Gold Cup
lets pray the haitians, cubans, jamaicans and grenadians send there women team to the caribbean cup
U really think those two pose a threat?? I think we'll have our game right by then. Its about time we start putting teams in their places. This "playing" has gone on for too long. We'll win the DCC and then Latas will be on his bike.... :rotfl: :rotfl:
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9109929.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/9109929.stm)
Frank Rijkaard leaves post as Galatasaray coach
Rijkaard led Barcelona to Champions League success in 2006
Galatasaray coach Frank Rijkaard has left the club by mutual consent.
The Dutchman led the Turkish side to third place in the league last season but they have struggled this term.
A club statement read: "As of October 20 2010, coach Frank Rijkaard and assistant coach Johan Neeskens have left the club by mutual consent."
Ex-Barcelona boss Rijkaard has been linked to Liverpool, although the Reds' new owners have backed manager Roy Hodgson, despite the club's poor form.
New England Sports Ventures (NESV) said they had confidence in Hodgson ahead of last Sunday's Merseyside derby, but Everton's 2-0 win leaves the Reds one off the bottom of the Premier League table.
606: DEBATE
Where next for Frank Rijkaard?
Rijkaard was appointed Galatasaray coach in June 2009 but leaves with the club lying ninth in the Turkish Super Lig, having picked up only 12 points from their opening eight games. They also failed to reach the group stages of the Europa League.
After a glittering playing career, Rijkaard was appointed Netherlands coach in 1998, leading his team to the semi-finals of Euro 2000, where they lost to Italy on penalties.
After a disastrous spell at Sparta Rotterdam, where they suffered relegation during his only season in charge, Rijkaard was appointed Barcelona coach in 2003.
In a five-year spell at the Nou Camp, he led the Catalan giants to two La Liga titles and a Champions League triumph in 2006 with a 2-1 win over Arsenal in the final at the Stade de France.
FYI, he's leaving galatasaray to take up the liverpool job, not coach some underachieving team in an insignificant confederation.
if any dutch coach is to take this job, it will be rud gullet.
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NO ENGLISH COACH !!
no english coach
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The little magician has one yet trick up his sleeve .
what, the disapearing act?
What yah eat ah ,bulb ? How yah so bright ;D
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Wha alyuh feel Gullit and Beckham did really come for the other day?
Check back meh post...I call dat shot long time.
wait...maybe Baptiste take meh post serious.
Gullitt busy working for Al Jazeera Sports channel and is due in Brazil to help the Dutch/Belgian bid.
Beckham would not want to stop playing yet.
But there are plenty Dutch & English coaches available and although it is against bid rules, I could imagine the bid teams secretly funding a coach for T&T
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GIVE WE A GERMAN COACH! dais what we need some discipline
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most likely gullit look set to take over, it may be an excellent move by us, i was hoping for ruud to get some experience under his belt but it is a big step up from latas.
please no english coach, i would prefer german but that doesnt seem to be happening.
it will be dutch, the question is who though
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most likely gullit look set to take over, it may be an excellent move by us, i was hoping for ruud to get some experience under his belt but it is a big step up from latas.
please no english coach, i would prefer german but that doesnt seem to be happening.
it will be dutch, the question is who though
How u so sure it will be a big step up from Latas? Yes Ruud has coached a few big teams, but his overall performance as a manager is far from stellar.
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Europeans too expensive, and may not be able to teach a suitable style for CONCACAF play. I'm sure a South American coach can give us what we need.
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Europeans too expensive, and may not be able to teach a suitable style for CONCACAF play. I'm sure a South American coach can give us what we need.
wwwwwhhhhhhaaaaaattt????!!! Look what Maradona do to Argentina!! Oh wait, Maradona was not a coach....OK carry on then.... :devil: ;D
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Europeans too expensive, and may not be able to teach a suitable style for CONCACAF play. I'm sure a South American coach can give us what we need.
Huh! So Beenie was from where?
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Europeans too expensive, and may not be able to teach a suitable style for CONCACAF play. I'm sure a South American coach can give us what we need.
Huh! So Beenie was from where?
ent...this forum is real kix...i think Ricardo Gomes would be a good coach, a brazilian with good experience who incorporates the european style of play but we jumping too far ahead of ourselves...latas is still de coach.
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Europeans too expensive, and may not be able to teach a suitable style for CONCACAF play. I'm sure a South American coach can give us what we need.
Huh! So Beenie was from where?
Well I used the phrase "MAY not be able to" for a reason.
Beenie's coaching worked, but we couldn't afford him for any extended period of time.
Hiring him was a stop-gap measure that fortunately worked, but we need more than a stop-gap, we need a coach to develop our team. That takes time and a lot of money if we goin European.
So assuming we have the money now, we need to focus on finding a coach with the skills to fix our team.
Rijkaard accustomed to workin with top players, yuh think he or Gullit able with the likes of our players?
And maybe some of you don't realise but many non-European coaches have been bussin our asses in CONCACAF for a long time.
Anyway I know allyuh along with JW love a European so continue the Euro-worship, Euro is de only way to go!
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we need an american coach.
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most likely gullit look set to take over, it may be an excellent move by us, i was hoping for ruud to get some experience under his belt but it is a big step up from latas.
please no english coach, i would prefer german but that doesnt seem to be happening.
it will be dutch, the question is who though
How u so sure it will be a big step up from Latas? Yes Ruud has coached a few big teams, but his overall performance as a manager is far from stellar.
hes a friend of the family, he relates to players and has grown in experience and strategy. far above that of latas.
if ruud doesnt get the job another capable dutch coach will, i am sure of that our program will be turned around and tt will be back at the top of the region.
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Before we think about national football philosophy lets try to get a coach with good qualities. We could argue forever about which style is the best. We could end up getting a shithong from a country with a real good style of coaching.
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South American
What dat have to do with CONCACAF?
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most likely gullit look set to take over, it may be an excellent move by us, i was hoping for ruud to get some experience under his belt but it is a big step up from latas.
please no english coach, i would prefer german but that doesnt seem to be happening.
it will be dutch, the question is who though
How u so sure it will be a big step up from Latas? Yes Ruud has coached a few big teams, but his overall performance as a manager is far from stellar.
hes a friend of the family, he relates to players and has grown in experience and strategy. far above that of latas.
if ruud doesnt get the job another capable dutch coach will, i am sure of that our program will be turned around and tt will be back at the top of the region.
You really feel Ruud wwant to take up a coaching job of TT national team......................really ??? ???
:rotfl:
:beermug:
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South American
What dat have to do with CONCACAF?
About as much as Dutch and English.
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I would not mind Frank being the coach.He coached both Holland and Brarca. So he has the experience.
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Talk allyuh talk but any coach who is handed de shit sandwich that is TNT football would be handed just that ....a shit sandwich...so no matter how much pepper and ketchup yuh put on it...it is still a shit sandwich.
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Talk allyuh talk but any coach who is handed de shit sandwich that is TNT football would be handed just that ....a shit sandwich...so no matter how much pepper and ketchup yuh put on it...it is still a shit sandwich.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
We don't need a coach, we need an alchemist.
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Talk allyuh talk but any coach who is handed de shit sandwich that is TNT football would be handed just that ....a shit sandwich...so no matter how much pepper and ketchup yuh put on it...it is still a shit sandwich.
:rotfl: :rotfl: True....but remember, shit is used to fertilize the fields on which lush gardens grow...we have nuff shit...all we need now is a good farmer ;) ;)
Just keeping it positive ;D
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As you all know the deep dissapointment and grief latas have bought upon this nation to where people actually starting to beleive to themselves that we are not good enough and our players are not worthy.
Let me put this as clear as possible, I rather have Bertile back as head coach.
And latas expecting an assistant coach role so he can screw us over even more if a new coach is appointed, really who in their rite minds will want to work with him after all the bloody rubbishness he been doing since taking up the job.
If latas get an assistant coach role, I am sure the same results will follow
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I read where Mr. A. Corneal alluded to what I mentioned about a process for selecting a coach. Nice...naming a coach now is like trying to furnish the house before you plan or build the house.
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most likely gullit look set to take over, it may be an excellent move by us, i was hoping for ruud to get some experience under his belt but it is a big step up from latas.
Ruud Gullit joins Terek Grozny
By ESPNsoccernet staff
Former L.A. Galaxy manager Ruud Gullit has made the shock decision to join Russian Premier League side Terek Grozny as coach.
Gullit signed an 18-month contract with the club, who finished 12th in the league last season behind eventual winners Zenit St Petersburg, and could even continue in the role by signing an extension at the end of the deal.
The Dutchman, who previously managed Chelsea, Newcastle and Feyenoord and has also appeared as a football pundit on television, has been set the target of a top-eight finish next season by club president Ramzan Kadyrov.
Terek is based in the formerly wartorn province of Chechnya in the south of the country and Gullit takes over from Anatoly Baidachny who was in charge of the side for only one season.
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most likely gullit look set to take over, it may be an excellent move by us, i was hoping for ruud to get some experience under his belt but it is a big step up from latas.
Ruud Gullit joins Terek Grozny
By ESPNsoccernet staff
Former L.A. Galaxy manager Ruud Gullit has made the shock decision to join Russian Premier League side Terek Grozny as coach.
Gullit signed an 18-month contract with the club, who finished 12th in the league last season behind eventual winners Zenit St Petersburg, and could even continue in the role by signing an extension at the end of the deal.
The Dutchman, who previously managed Chelsea, Newcastle and Feyenoord and has also appeared as a football pundit on television, has been set the target of a top-eight finish next season by club president Ramzan Kadyrov.
Terek is based in the formerly wartorn province of Chechnya in the south of the country and Gullit takes over from Anatoly Baidachny who was in charge of the side for only one season.
So scratch he name of d list.
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most likely gullit look set to take over, it may be an excellent move by us, i was hoping for ruud to get some experience under his belt but it is a big step up from latas.
Ruud Gullit joins Terek Grozny
By ESPNsoccernet staff
Former L.A. Galaxy manager Ruud Gullit has made the shock decision to join Russian Premier League side Terek Grozny as coach.
Gullit signed an 18-month contract with the club, who finished 12th in the league last season behind eventual winners Zenit St Petersburg, and could even continue in the role by signing an extension at the end of the deal.
The Dutchman, who previously managed Chelsea, Newcastle and Feyenoord and has also appeared as a football pundit on television, has been set the target of a top-eight finish next season by club president Ramzan Kadyrov.
Terek is based in the formerly wartorn province of Chechnya in the south of the country and Gullit takes over from Anatoly Baidachny who was in charge of the side for only one season.
So scratch he name of d list.
The only person with he on the list was TI, and that is as much as needs to be said about that.
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most likely gullit look set to take over, it may be an excellent move by us, i was hoping for ruud to get some experience under his belt but it is a big step up from latas.
Ruud Gullit joins Terek Grozny
By ESPNsoccernet staff
Former L.A. Galaxy manager Ruud Gullit has made the shock decision to join Russian Premier League side Terek Grozny as coach.
Gullit signed an 18-month contract with the club, who finished 12th in the league last season behind eventual winners Zenit St Petersburg, and could even continue in the role by signing an extension at the end of the deal.
The Dutchman, who previously managed Chelsea, Newcastle and Feyenoord and has also appeared as a football pundit on television, has been set the target of a top-eight finish next season by club president Ramzan Kadyrov.
Terek is based in the formerly wartorn province of Chechnya in the south of the country and Gullit takes over from Anatoly Baidachny who was in charge of the side for only one season.
So scratch he name of d list.
The only person with he on the list was TI, and that is as much as needs to be said about that.
i took a guess breds, how was i suppose to know the ttff would pull Coach Q out their hat ???
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most likely gullit look set to take over, it may be an excellent move by us, i was hoping for ruud to get some experience under his belt but it is a big step up from latas.
Ruud Gullit joins Terek Grozny
By ESPNsoccernet staff
Former L.A. Galaxy manager Ruud Gullit has made the shock decision to join Russian Premier League side Terek Grozny as coach.
Gullit signed an 18-month contract with the club, who finished 12th in the league last season behind eventual winners Zenit St Petersburg, and could even continue in the role by signing an extension at the end of the deal.
The Dutchman, who previously managed Chelsea, Newcastle and Feyenoord and has also appeared as a football pundit on television, has been set the target of a top-eight finish next season by club president Ramzan Kadyrov.
Terek is based in the formerly wartorn province of Chechnya in the south of the country and Gullit takes over from Anatoly Baidachny who was in charge of the side for only one season.
So scratch he name of d list.
The only person with he on the list was TI, and that is as much as needs to be said about that.
i took a guess breds, how was i suppose to know the ttff would pull Coach Q out their hat ???
Guessing what the TTFF will do next is like gambling in Vegas. The house always wins.
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most likely gullit look set to take over, it may be an excellent move by us, i was hoping for ruud to get some experience under his belt but it is a big step up from latas.
Ruud Gullit joins Terek Grozny
By ESPNsoccernet staff
Former L.A. Galaxy manager Ruud Gullit has made the shock decision to join Russian Premier League side Terek Grozny as coach.
Gullit signed an 18-month contract with the club, who finished 12th in the league last season behind eventual winners Zenit St Petersburg, and could even continue in the role by signing an extension at the end of the deal.
The Dutchman, who previously managed Chelsea, Newcastle and Feyenoord and has also appeared as a football pundit on television, has been set the target of a top-eight finish next season by club president Ramzan Kadyrov.
Terek is based in the formerly wartorn province of Chechnya in the south of the country and Gullit takes over from Anatoly Baidachny who was in charge of the side for only one season.
So scratch he name of d list.
The only person with he on the list was TI, and that is as much as needs to be said about that.
i took a guess breds, how was i suppose to know the ttff would pull Coach Q out their hat ???
Guessing what the TTFF will do next is like gambling in Vegas. The house always wins.
:rotfl: the ttff excellent at black jack or wha? :D
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most likely gullit look set to take over, it may be an excellent move by us, i was hoping for ruud to get some experience under his belt but it is a big step up from latas.
Ruud Gullit joins Terek Grozny
By ESPNsoccernet staff
Former L.A. Galaxy manager Ruud Gullit has made the shock decision to join Russian Premier League side Terek Grozny as coach.
Gullit signed an 18-month contract with the club, who finished 12th in the league last season behind eventual winners Zenit St Petersburg, and could even continue in the role by signing an extension at the end of the deal.
The Dutchman, who previously managed Chelsea, Newcastle and Feyenoord and has also appeared as a football pundit on television, has been set the target of a top-eight finish next season by club president Ramzan Kadyrov.
Terek is based in the formerly wartorn province of Chechnya in the south of the country and Gullit takes over from Anatoly Baidachny who was in charge of the side for only one season.
So scratch he name of d list.
The only person with he on the list was TI, and that is as much as needs to be said about that.
:rotfl:
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Dutchman Neeskens to coach Warriors.
By: Nigel Simon (Guardian).
Johan Neeskens, the former Holland international and assistant coach of its 1998 World Cup team, is set to replace Russell Latapy as T&T’s national coach.
The 59-year-old Neeskens, a former team-mate of the legendary Johan Gruijff and ex-T&T coach Wim Rijsbergen is currently out of a job, after serving as assistant to former Holland and AC Milan international and Barcelona coach, Frank Rijkaard at Turkish champions Galatasary.
Neeskens worked as one of Rijkaard’s assistants at Barcelona (2006-2008) while he was the head coach at Dutch side, Nijmegen leading them to their first European appearance in 20 years in 2003 but was fired a year later.
He also served as an assistant to Hiddink with Australia (2005-2006) at the 2006 World Cup in Germany. Last Thursday, Keith Look Loy, the T&T Football Federation’s.
Technical Advisor confirmed that former Portugal and South Africa coach, Carlos Queiroz and three un-named Dutchmen were the coaches shortlisted to take over from Latapy.
However, while Queiroz confirmed his interest, he was quoted as saying he was yet to be contacted with a firm interest from the federation.
Queiroz also dismissed reports he had signed a contract with Brazilian club Vasco De Gama and refused a three-year offer from Iran. Germany’s Otto Pfister, 73, was also said to be a candidate but his age worked against him.
A source close to the national set-up said yesterday Neeskens beat out Queiroz, whose wage demands may have been a stumbling block.
The source noted Neeskens was a target of Suriname but the country did not have the funds to attract him.
During his playing career, Neeskens, born in Heemstede, played with his local club RCH and Ajax before moving to Barcelona where he enjoyed five good seasons, winning the European Cup Winners’ Cup as the highlight.
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Great player.
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Well long time we did hear is a DUTCH MAN DAT WAS COMING.
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good choice if he indeed accept
too bad we ent have no Gold Cup to go... let this be a new beginning...
let TTFF get they act together and/or resign
let de black list be done...
lets move on to bigger better things :beermug:
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This man was a great, great player.........played his last WC Final game in Argentina '78........was by far on of Holland's very best players. Good luck to him on this new venture of trying to make a polished group of players out of our underdeveloped young men.
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Great player, poor head coaching record. Sound familiar?
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the Dutch style is very in-depth and very interesting. Neeskens knowledge and our players talents and abilities.
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Not jumping high not jumping low. Is like returning to the ole guyl who gave yuh yuh first blow!!! so if we looking for the legacy of the Dutch, then so be it.
Now they say it real hard to please we; ah mean look at this man pedigree, experience and exposure to international football, compare this with the still 'present ' coach' and man saying he eh have a great track record? Give the ma's credentials, could he do any worse than what we just suffered through?
Oh lawd,... leh we watch this ride or merry go round of coaches once more; there ios only one common denominator to faacck this up ...yeha yuh guessed it the faaaccckkkinnggg TTFFF the same one that brough us Beenie man now her we go round and round once more.
To stay positive: a tribute with regards to David Rudder..... We need a rallying song to start this era; here is mine:
DUTCH IN DEY FACE
Adapted lyrics & melody; David Rudder (1992)
“ Oh Gorm!” ah fella write out like he drink a rum
“ Oh Gorm!” It was a man from the S.W. forum
Shot call, ah fella post ah thread and start tuh cuss
How come they had given the prize fust to Latapy and he buss
When them players come back from Europe they go play like mad
They go spanner and beats and run JA’s from they yard
Even J.W. start to make he planning for big money he envisioning
He say, “they can’t beat we they go have to start petitioning
He telling them they go have tuh beg for mercy
We coming and it’s doye, doye doye doye doye
When all dem islands see we come down
Tell them war declre in this town is Dutch in dey face!!
Dutch in dey face!!!
Goals will be blasting
In this football war, Dutch in dey face
Ah tell allyuh is Dutch in dey face
Tell them we looking fuh fight, it’s trouble all year right
Tell them we feeling all right, it’a football war bredda
We coming out for war, we go settle some score
Them footballers hungry fuh spite
Allyuh islanders watch out is Dutch in dey face
Is Dutch in dey face is Dutch in dey face
Tell Cuba, Jamaica and Vincy all yuh win ah warm up but with World Cup at stake is no grace
Cause is Dutch in dey face Dutch in dey face Dutch in dey face
Living on the edge from now till 2014
We must refuse to think about lose
Nobody could beat we
Ah tell yuh nanananannan
Is the return of Dutch in dey face Dutch in dey face Dutch in dey face
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Interesting - Teamate of Dilly & Wim at NY cosmos, ah wonder if dey bounce
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I ent sure Dilly play with he. I know Dilly was in DC, and then went to San Jose.
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Wiki:
At the request of Guus Hiddink, Neeskens, along with Frank Rijkaard and Ronald Koeman, acted as assistant coach for the Dutch national team during the qualifiers and finals of the 1998 FIFA World Cup. When Hiddink stepped down as national coach after the 1998 FIFA World Cup, he performed the same role during the reign of Frank Rijkaard as national coach up until the end of Euro 2000. He was then appointed as coach of Dutch side NEC Nijmegen, leading them to their first European appearance in twenty years in 2003, but was fired in 2004 because of poor results.
In December 2005, Neeskens was appointed assistant coach of the Australian national team, once again at the request of Guus Hiddink, the Socceroos's manager at the time. He worked alongside Hiddink and Graham Arnold as part of their World Cup 2006 campaign, and even afterwards he remained involved with the Australian national team: on 7 October 2006, under contract with FC Barcelona, Neeskens was alongside the Australian national team's bench in a friendly match between Paraguay while visiting Australia for a short break.
After the 2006 World Cup, Neeskens returned to FC Barcelona to replace Henk ten Cate in the club's technical staff, reuniting with Frank Rijkaard. The three-year deal was signed when Neeskens flew in from Germany following Australia's opening win over Japan, but on 8 May 2008, after two disappointing seasons, Barcelona's president Joan Laporta announced that Neeskens (as well as Rijkaard) were to leave Barcelona at the end of the season.
Neeskens will now join Frank Rijkaard at Galatasaray as his assistant manager.
Worked with Guus and at Barca... he's seen 2 world cups as a coach and helped Barca .. not bad
Maybe he can get his chance with us to be number 1 but we'll see...
I still think better options are out there... and no I do not want Quieroz... I rather Pfister
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I expect a long thread.
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good i wanted a dutch coach
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(http://www.ttfootballhistory.com/files/images/1983-cosmoswhitecaps.preview.jpg)
1983: In earlier action this season against the Cosmos, photographer Kent Kallberg caught the Caps' Alan Taylor trying to beat the hard-working pair of Johan Neeskens and Richard Chinapoo. The Cosmos prevailed in the Spring Cup Challenge at Empire — winning 1-0 in a very entertaining game.
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ah know we doh have press conferences in Trinidad to explain ah decision on something which will affect many.But it will be interesting to know what was the taught process if it is really Neeskens? Did his name and playing ability carry more weight than his coaching credentials?Was it that his wage demands were more in line with what we can afford? Does the fact that he is Dutch carry any weight? These things will be interesting to know.But then again its TnT.
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I've created a thread for this, I am sick of all these "hear say" from the T&T Guardian.
From now all all these related threads will be merged.
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Wiki:
At the request of Guus Hiddink, Neeskens, along with Frank Rijkaard and Ronald Koeman, acted as assistant coach for the Dutch national team during the qualifiers and finals of the 1998 FIFA World Cup. When Hiddink stepped down as national coach after the 1998 FIFA World Cup, he performed the same role during the reign of Frank Rijkaard as national coach up until the end of Euro 2000. He was then appointed as coach of Dutch side NEC Nijmegen, leading them to their first European appearance in twenty years in 2003, but was fired in 2004 because of poor results.
In December 2005, Neeskens was appointed assistant coach of the Australian national team, once again at the request of Guus Hiddink, the Socceroos's manager at the time. He worked alongside Hiddink and Graham Arnold as part of their World Cup 2006 campaign, and even afterwards he remained involved with the Australian national team: on 7 October 2006, under contract with FC Barcelona, Neeskens was alongside the Australian national team's bench in a friendly match between Paraguay while visiting Australia for a short break.
After the 2006 World Cup, Neeskens returned to FC Barcelona to replace Henk ten Cate in the club's technical staff, reuniting with Frank Rijkaard. The three-year deal was signed when Neeskens flew in from Germany following Australia's opening win over Japan, but on 8 May 2008, after two disappointing seasons, Barcelona's president Joan Laporta announced that Neeskens (as well as Rijkaard) were to leave Barcelona at the end of the season.
Neeskens will now join Frank Rijkaard at Galatasaray as his assistant manager.
Worked with Guus and at Barca... he's seen 2 world cups as a coach and helped Barca .. not bad
Maybe he can get his chance with us to be number 1 but we'll see...
I still think better options are out there... and no I do not want Quieroz... I rather Pfister
I second dat! and like Pfister more as well. His stats more fit the Trini bunch than this KNeeskins fella.
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(http://www.ttfootballhistory.com/files/images/1983-cosmoswhitecaps.preview.jpg)
1983: In earlier action this season against the Cosmos, photographer Kent Kallberg caught the Caps' Alan Taylor trying to beat the hard-working pair of Johan Neeskens and Richard Chinapoo. The Cosmos prevailed in the Spring Cup Challenge at Empire — winning 1-0 in a very entertaining game.
Pic boy Tallman! :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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I ent sure Dilly play with he. I know Dilly was in DC, and then went to San Jose.
#12,13,15
http://www.nasljerseys.com/Rosters/Cosmos_Rosters.htm#1979
but if yuh click on Dilly, it say he was with Seattle in '79, so I guess that cosmo info outta sight
:devil: :devil:
Neesk: So Wim, hear nah, take dah wuk or wha
Wim: If yuh want, dem didn't like me
Neesk: buh Wim, yuh know how you hard nose, yuh mussbe went down dey and telling dem caribbean man bout discipline & hardwuk man...yuh forget dem fellas we used to play with from TT, they doh like to train at all,at all, buh when game time come, they ready like Cruff.
Wim: wasn't dat alone nah, dey does tell yuh who to pick or yuh does read the team yuh pick in the newspapers, when to train, sometimes yuh does find out where in the newspapers too, yuh have to let the players chase gyul, and if the gyul blank dem, they allowed to buff dem all how, and then yuh does find out if yuh go get pay, from a fella at the corner of a park, they call WoodfordIndependence square, some kind of University...I had a disagreement with the Government TD, who cannot have nothing to do with FIFA, and therefore doh meedle in fowl business, yuh know, I read ah was fired in the newspaper...dem guys does juss operate different..
Neesk: So take the wuk or wha ?
Wim: well, take some sun, drink some rum - there is a place called under the coconut trees or someting so - plus the President like he rum, walk around, look vex, dey will at least pay yuh expenses, and if things go good, yuh is ah hero, if things go bad, yuh had ah nice holiday..go for it man, nuh like yuh have anything else line up
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lets just hope this nigga has some balls to stand up to warner and his bullshit.
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(http://www.ttfootballhistory.com/files/images/1983-cosmoswhitecaps.preview.jpg)
1983: In earlier action this season against the Cosmos, photographer Kent Kallberg caught the Caps' Alan Taylor trying to beat the hard-working pair of Johan Neeskens and Richard Chinapoo. The Cosmos prevailed in the Spring Cup Challenge at Empire — winning 1-0 in a very entertaining game.
Pic boy Tallman! :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
That is our own Chinapoo playing with the big boys. He coaching professionally since he retired so I wonder if his name has ever come up for consideration as a possible coach for the national team? I know for sure he has a whole lot more coaching experience than RL!!!
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I am all for getting our team to play their best!!!!! I also recognise the distinguished resume of the new coach....and i respect it and welcome him.
However, what is disappointing to note is that he played with some of our own home grown talent like Chinappoo and Dilly...yet none of ours are being considered. instaed you set up the young inexperienced Latapy for failure.....truly sad.
The "same old" local bunch will be assembled to act as his assistants....here we go again.
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Men missing from this thread boy.
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(http://www.ttfootballhistory.com/files/images/1983-cosmoswhitecaps.preview.jpg)
1983: In earlier action this season against the Cosmos, photographer Kent Kallberg caught the Caps' Alan Taylor trying to beat the hard-working pair of Johan Neeskens and Richard Chinapoo. The Cosmos prevailed in the Spring Cup Challenge at Empire — winning 1-0 in a very entertaining game.
Pic boy Tallman! :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
That is our own Chinapoo playing with the big boys. He coaching professionally since he retired so I wonder if his name has ever come up for consideration as a possible coach for the national team? I know for sure he has a whole lot more coaching experience than RL!!!
Aye ! It have much Trinis coaching successfully on the international scene,Yuh think they want to put up wid TTFF and bull shit for fame
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Wiki:
At the request of Guus Hiddink, Neeskens, along with Frank Rijkaard and Ronald Koeman, acted as assistant coach for the Dutch national team during the qualifiers and finals of the 1998 FIFA World Cup. When Hiddink stepped down as national coach after the 1998 FIFA World Cup, he performed the same role during the reign of Frank Rijkaard as national coach up until the end of Euro 2000. He was then appointed as coach of Dutch side NEC Nijmegen, leading them to their first European appearance in twenty years in 2003, but was fired in 2004 because of poor results.
In December 2005, Neeskens was appointed assistant coach of the Australian national team, once again at the request of Guus Hiddink, the Socceroos's manager at the time. He worked alongside Hiddink and Graham Arnold as part of their World Cup 2006 campaign, and even afterwards he remained involved with the Australian national team: on 7 October 2006, under contract with FC Barcelona, Neeskens was alongside the Australian national team's bench in a friendly match between Paraguay while visiting Australia for a short break.
After the 2006 World Cup, Neeskens returned to FC Barcelona to replace Henk ten Cate in the club's technical staff, reuniting with Frank Rijkaard. The three-year deal was signed when Neeskens flew in from Germany following Australia's opening win over Japan, but on 8 May 2008, after two disappointing seasons, Barcelona's president Joan Laporta announced that Neeskens (as well as Rijkaard) were to leave Barcelona at the end of the season.
Neeskens will now join Frank Rijkaard at Galatasaray as his assistant manager.
Worked with Guus and at Barca... he's seen 2 world cups as a coach and helped Barca .. not bad
Maybe he can get his chance with us to be number 1 but we'll see...
I still think better options are out there... and no I do not want Quieroz... I rather Pfister
I second dat! and like Pfister more as well. His stats more fit the Trini bunch than this KNeeskins fella.
i must agree, as in my previous thread, i was happy with pfister, kneeskens was an excellent player and good asst coach but pfister would have been a better choice bc it would be his last time coaching a world cup team.
he would have given everything into it for tt football
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lets just hope this nigga has some balls to stand up to warner and his bullshit.
Yuh really think that necessary ???
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Neeskins will do just fine once he's aware that he basically has to develop our players. We have players that are talented but not the finished product. We need someone that will be willing and able to groom our players.
While Pfister may be better suited to deal with the TTFF and such I don't think he will be better suited to 'mold" a team at this point. At over 70 it aint right to even put ah man through that. It surely will be his last team.
Plus I could see Pfister using Latas as an assistant more, just for the simple fact of doing the leg work.
Neeskins will probably use Latas services less as he would want to stamp his name and brand on the team. He have good experience, not the same experience as Pfister but he have the experience we need right now.
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A coach should be selected by his performance. If Neeskens has been around this long and the rest of the world haven't given him the opportunity to be head coach at a high level maybe there are some poor scouting reports on his ability to be a top coach.
One of the big problems is for a new coach to get a good evaluation on all the players due to a lack of training time with the players. There is such a fine line with selecting players which can make the difference between winning and losing. This is one reason you need a coach that a proven winner cause he knows "shithouds" and "Pullstones" players and a good coach don't waste time with these kind of players!
Anyways I wish him the best of luck and I hope he can get TT to play a Dutch style and be one of the top team in CONCACAF!
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A coach should be selected by his performance. If Neeskens has been around this long and the rest of the world haven't given him the opportunity to be head coach at a high level maybe there are some poor scouting reports on his ability to be a top coach.
One of the big problems is for a new coach to get a good evaluation on all the players due to a lack of training time with the players. There is such a fine line with selecting players which can make the difference between winning and losing. This is one reason you need a coach that a proven winner cause he knows "shithouds" and "Pullstones" players and a good coach don't waste time with these kind of players!
Anyways I wish him the best of luck and I hope he can get TT to play a Dutch style and be one of the top team in CONCACAF!
exactly, some very good points.
kneeskens has no evidence to prove he will make a good head coach, just because he assisted frank and hiddink doesn't mean that it automatically qualifies him as a great head coach to lead us to brazil.
i question this choice, once again, pfister was a better option
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Wim was ever a head coach before us? In my opinion we didnt look too terrible under him, so lets see what this guy has to offer. Btw...when they hire a coach isn't there usually some sort of press conference??
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A coach should be selected by his performance. If Neeskens has been around this long and the rest of the world haven't given him the opportunity to be head coach at a high level maybe there are some poor scouting reports on his ability to be a top coach.
One of the big problems is for a new coach to get a good evaluation on all the players due to a lack of training time with the players. There is such a fine line with selecting players which can make the difference between winning and losing. This is one reason you need a coach that a proven winner cause he knows "shithouds" and "Pullstones" players and a good coach don't waste time with these kind of players!
Anyways I wish him the best of luck and I hope he can get TT to play a Dutch style and be one of the top team in CONCACAF!
exactly, some very good points.
kneeskens has no evidence to prove he will make a good head coach, just because he assisted frank and hiddink doesn't mean that it automatically qualifies him as a great head coach to lead us to brazil.
i question this choice, once again, pfister was a better option
Breds, yuh see that what yuh talking, it have no real merit. as ah matter of fact, there's little basis for your argument. i really annoyed tuh open the thread and see so much ppl bitchin about the new coach.
remember is four yrs the TTFF suffer we, from blacklist to latas, allyuh eh glad we gettin ah lil glimmer of hope ? @ least now we could sit down and watch some sensible football in peace without having tuh worry about utter embarrassment (hopefully) :praying:.
TI , a coaches WC record eh have nothing tuh do wid nothing ! Pfister could tek the whole globe to the WC, that don't mean he woulda tek us. the neesken guy also have an impressive record, he worked with/ under rijkard @ milan , barca, and galatasary, plus he also coached with a dutch eridivise team as well as a national team under hiddink.
trust meh, this guy might be better for us since he has something to prove by steppin out on his own on the international scene. ppl who have something to prove will work harder, instill more discipline, and they give their all. ah man who could get a work anywhere does go on lackadaisical.
right now, the only thing that separate our boys from the players in the rest of the region is discipline, fitness, and work rate, and i think a fella who trying to improve his career would bring that to the table quicker than a journeyman coach who let his record speak for itself.
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A coach should be selected by his performance. If Neeskens has been around this long and the rest of the world haven't given him the opportunity to be head coach at a high level maybe there are some poor scouting reports on his ability to be a top coach.
One of the big problems is for a new coach to get a good evaluation on all the players due to a lack of training time with the players. There is such a fine line with selecting players which can make the difference between winning and losing. This is one reason you need a coach that a proven winner cause he knows "shithouds" and "Pullstones" players and a good coach don't waste time with these kind of players!
Anyways I wish him the best of luck and I hope he can get TT to play a Dutch style and be one of the top team in CONCACAF!
exactly, some very good points.
kneeskens has no evidence to prove he will make a good head coach, just because he assisted frank and hiddink doesn't mean that it automatically qualifies him as a great head coach to lead us to brazil.
i question this choice, once again, pfister was a better option
Breds, yuh see that what yuh talking, it have no real merit. as ah matter of fact, there's little basis for your argument. i really annoyed tuh open the thread and see so much ppl bitchin about the new coach.
remember is four yrs the TTFF suffer we, from blacklist to latas, allyuh eh glad we gettin ah lil glimmer of hope ? @ least now we could sit down and watch some sensible football in peace without having tuh worry about utter embarrassment (hopefully) :praying:.
TI , a coaches WC record eh have nothing tuh do wid nothing ! Pfister could tek the whole globe to the WC, that don't mean he woulda tek us. the neesken guy also have an impressive record, he worked with/ under rijkard @ milan , barca, and galatasary, plus he also coached with a dutch eridivise team as well as a national team under hiddink.
trust meh, this guy might be better for us since he has something to prove by steppin out on his own on the international scene. ppl who have something to prove will work harder, instill more discipline, and they give their all. ah man who could get a work anywhere does go on lackadaisical.
right now, the only thing that separate our boys from the players in the rest of the region is discipline, fitness, and work rate, and i think a fella who trying to improve his career would bring that to the table quicker than a journeyman coach who let his record speak for itself.
Just Cool nah man... we understand the last 4 years of abuse and for an avid supporter, die hard... it must have been more than difficult. To now though make it sound like healthy discussion about who better suited for the wok cant be seen as misery. Pussonaly when I read Pfister stats and ah dont just mean de numbers but the who's and how's as well, the man seems a better fit for our team. Everyone have a bias, mine is the fact that I feel under Pfister, we may be able to play a more attractive brand taking into consideration, our whinning/dribbling abilities that seem to come natural to our people. But yuh cya get vex with we for liking one dude over de next. Ah know yuh want to put it behind yuh already. Once its not Latas right?
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Is this appointment even confirmed yet? The Guardian, which usually gets sports news later than other news outlets, all of a sudden getting all the exclusives and top sports stories. ???
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Is this appointment even confirmed yet? The Guardian, which usually gets sports news later than other news outlets, all of a sudden getting all the exclusives and top sports stories. ???
exactly they not even naming they sources, just throwing names all over the place
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Is this appointment even confirmed yet? The Guardian, which usually gets sports news later than other news outlets, all of a sudden getting all the exclusives and top sports stories. ???
exactly they not even naming they sources, just throwing names all over the place
next thing yuh hear quieroz is the coach :D
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Allyuh fans letting the TTFF take allyuh on a "Who will be the next top coach?" ride!
I not taking the bait!
When our World Cup players get their 2006 World Cup bonus money then and only them I MAY start taking the TTFF seriously!
But allyuh is suckers for taking basket and allowing TTFF to play with allyuh emotions, allyuh could go ahead and indulge in the pointless speculation!
Ah bess coach coming and we going Brazil! :violin:
In the meantime Grenada goes pass us the the FIFA rankings and goes to another Gold Cup after knocking us out for the second time in a row!
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Not confirmed. TTFF placing ads for Coaching position in papers...............so everything thus far is pure speculation............from Guardian too.
:beermug:
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Hmm maybe they should interview the Grenada coach
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good i wanted a dutch coach
So the "all those in favour of a Dutch coach, say aye" group now have a membership of two (you and Brownsugar). When is allyuh first meeting? :devil:
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It looks like he have good past experience but he is not a proven coach.
lets see how he shakes things up
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Yuh late KND!!
Most of us here already realise that the TTFF have been mamaguying we and there is no new coach of any decent calibre on the horizon or even applying for the job knowing that the TTFF is broke and have a lawsuit to worry about!
No decent coach coming here until our 2006 World Cup players get their bonus money sorted and the Russians decide to run some roubles to Jack in repayment for the BIG favour!! ;)
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Yuh late KND!!
Most of us here already realise that the TTFF have been mamaguying we and there is no new coach of any decent calibre on the horizon or even applying for the job knowing that the TTFF is broke and have a lawsuit to worry about!
No decent coach coming here until our 2006 World Cup players get their bonus money sorted and the Russians decide to run some roubles to Jack in repayment for the BIG favour!! ;)
Well if what you saying is correct, there's no decent coach coming ever BC the TTFF is not gonna pay those guys.
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Yuh late KND!!
Most of us here already realise that the TTFF have been mamaguying we and there is no new coach of any decent calibre on the horizon or even applying for the job knowing that the TTFF is broke and have a lawsuit to worry about!
No decent coach coming here until our 2006 World Cup players get their bonus money sorted and the Russians decide to run some roubles to Jack in repayment for the BIG favour!! ;)
Well if what you saying is correct, there's no decent coach coming ever BC the TTFF is not gonna pay those guys.
So be it!!
Hopefully yuh now understand that is mamaguyism and basket passing!!
The court have ordered the TTFF to open the books and settle the bonus issue with the players and until that is sorted no decent coach in his right mind who demand a decent wage coming here!
For goodness sake the TTFF apparently owing RL a year's salary!
They cannot get rid of him until he is paid!!
RL will be assistant to some desperate coach who willing to endure the TTFF and work for small change!!
They will have to pay our World Cup players in the end even if some of them have to sell they house! ;)
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Mamaguile and missteps
By Fazeer Mohammed (T&T Express)
Excerpt from http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/Mamaguile_and_missteps-115452259.html
Nor should those at the helm of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation be in any rush to clarify the mixed and very confusing signals being sent out over the appointment of a new head coach of the senior national men's team.
Amid all sorts of speculation over the person to succeed Russell Latapy, an ad appeared in the Trinidad Guardian on Friday inviting nationals of this country to apply for the posts of national coach and assistant coaches of the senior men's national team, with Friday, February 18 set as the deadline for the receipt of applications.
But if any of the speculation is to be believed, a decision has already been made to go with a high-profile foreigner, with IETV apparently jumping the gun in their news report on Saturday evening in which it was claimed that the TTFF's own website had indicated that former Dutch midfield star Johann Neeskens is the man to be charged with the task of resurrecting a squad that has been on a downward slide for four-and-a-half years.
For the record, TTFF media officer Shaun Fuentes denied flatly that any such information was posted, while a check of the website yesterday had nothing to say on the matter. Was it removed hastily (there was a gap at the top of the homepage before other stories appeared) or was it just a figment of the imagination of some mischievous soul at IETV?
Even if that question were to remain unanswered, who in his (or her) right mind will apply for a position that requires the successful applicant to "Be willing to cooperate with the Technical Committee for the TTFF and to implement all appropriate instructions he/she may receive in accordance with his/her job description?"
So is a yes man (or yes woman) that they want then? Or is this merely being done for show, so that when the pre-determined appointee is to be revealed, no-one can say that locals weren't given a fair chance?
As with so many things in this integrity-forsaken place, the ability to speak out in defence of what is right and proper is fatally poisoned by the quest for position, by the yearning for a wuk, by the insatiable appetite that necessitates doing whatever is required to ensure that your snout is well and truly buried in the feeding trough.
But what the hell. We are all merely following our leaders.
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European trio still in contention for Warriors job
By Nigel Simon (T&T Guardian)
Johan Neeskens, the former Holland international and assistant coach of its 1998 World Cup team, has been confirmed as one of the candidates in line to take over the Soca Warriors from Russell Latapy.
Contacted for an update on the post, Keith Look Loy, the T&T Football Federation’s technical advisor, said a decision is yet to be made but the Dutchman was definitely in contention. The Federation placed an advertisement in the daily newspapers on the weekend inviting applications for the post and Look Loy said this was in keeping with a desire to be as transparent and democratic as possible. “We will be dealing with Government’s money and in that regard we have to be accountable and transparent. This is an entire new approach which should be welcomed by the public.”
Apart from Neeskens, Look Loy also revealed that Portugal’s Carlos Queiroz and Germany’s Otto Pfister were all interested. The 59-year-old Neeskens, a former teammate of the legendary Johan Gruijff and ex-T&T coach Wim Rijsbergen, is currently out of a job, while Queiroz is a former coach of Real Madrid and has served as assistant to Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United. Pfister, 73, led Burkina Faso, Zaire, Cameroon and Ghana to the African Cup of Nations. He also won the Fifa Under-17 World Cup with Ghana and the Under-19 African Cup of Nations with Ivory Coast. He last took Togo to the World Cup in 2006 while he has coached ten international teams, including Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia.
Look Loy said there were other hopefuls with very good resumes and track records and the field will be narrowed down within a few weeks.“Before we can take our recommendations to the T&TFF Executive Committee, the coach selected will have to agree to a number of demands while we will also to meet a few demands as well. “Some of these issues include salary, whether they will be willing to work with local technical staff or bring in their own back-room staff as well as the other issues.“When all these things are sorted out then we will be able to make a recommendation”, added Look Loy. Other members of the Technical Committee are former Strike Squad member, Marlon Morris, T&TFF executive member and Northern Football Association president, Roland Forde, Dr Iva Gloudon and Dr Alvin Henderson.
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Your are now leaving peace of mind and sanity and is approaching trinidad football, enter @ your own risk. :devil:
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Koeman also on the radar of Trinidad & Tobago
fcupdate.nl
Besides Neekens Johan is a Dutch national image to the new coach of Trinidad & Tobago to be. According to The Guardian is also Erwin Koeman on the list of the Soca Warriors. The former international was already in Trinidad & Tobago to orient themselves to the football in the Caribbean country.
Koeman was formerly coach of Hungary. As a club coach, he worked at Feyenoord and RKC Waalwijk. Should he be head coach of Trinidad & Tobago, he follows in the footsteps of Leo Beenhakker, the country led to the 2006 World Cup. During that World Cup Trinidad & Tobago was surprisingly good for the day.
Koeman possible coach of Trinidad and Tobago
soccernews.nl
Trinidad and Tobago Leo Beenhakker might get after a Dutch coach once again. Erwin Koeman is currently exploring the Cup in the Caribbean. Koeman is high on the wish list for The Soca Warriors . The Zaandammer has been available without a club or country after he left Hungary.
This got the former PSV player failing to qualify for the World Cup in South Africa. The Hungarians were in their pool match for Denmark and Portugal. Koeman was previously coach of Feyenoord and RKC Waalwijk before he went to Hungary to work.
Trinidad has, however, another Dutch coach standing on the list. Johan Neeskens should also be mentioned as a possible new coach. Neeskens is currently unemployed after his dismissal at Galatasaray.
(http://www.soccernews.nl/uploads/koeman,%20erwin%20(1).jpg)
Erwin Koeman to Trinidad and Tobago
telegraaf.nl
Erwin Koeman is currently in Trinidad and Tobago to orient themselves to the football in the Caribbean country. The former coach of Hungary in the picture to be coach of the Soca Warriors, led by Leo Beenhakker was present at the 2006 World Cup.
Besides Erwin Koeman is also Johan Neeskens on the candidates list of the Football Association of Trinidad and Tobago.
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Alyuh translate that article from somewhere or what? For a moment I thought it was a trini write it with all the bad english
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(http://www.ttfootballhistory.com/files/images/1983-cosmoswhitecaps.preview.jpg)
1983: In earlier action this season against the Cosmos, photographer Kent Kallberg caught the Caps' Alan Taylor trying to beat the hard-working pair of Johan Neeskens and Richard Chinapoo. The Cosmos prevailed in the Spring Cup Challenge at Empire — winning 1-0 in a very entertaining game.
Watch how dat ball sittin up..and how Chinnas coming across? Tell me Chinnas en get major salad on this play?? Small chook to the right wit de outside ah de foot...Bes Salad!!
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Wikipedia:
Erwin Koeman
Club career
Koeman played with Groningen, Mechelen, where he won the Belgian League in 1989 and 1988 Cup Winners' Cup during the team's heyday and PSV, where they became league champions in 1990–91 and 1991–92.
International career
Koeman was a midfielder for the Netherlands that won the Euro 88 and featured in the 1990 World Cup. In total, Koeman was capped 31 times, scoring twice between 1983 and 1994.
Managing career
Koeman finished his playing career with Groningen in 1998 and became youth coach at PSV. In October 2001, he was promoted to assistant manager under Eric Gerets, and for the 2004–05 season became manager in Waalwijk. He managed RKC for one season before moving to Feyenoord. In March 2006, he extended his contract to the summer 2009. However, on 3 May 2007, Koeman announced his immediate resignation due to motivational problems, after a troublesome season, where Feyenoord eventually finished seventh.
Starting on 1 May 2008, Koeman became the coach of the Hungary national football team. He was removed from his post on 23 July 2010.
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The wheels on the TTFF bus go round and round, round and round
http://www.youtube.com/v/oh99A86HraY
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Alyuh translate that article from somewhere or what? For a moment I thought it was a trini write it with all the bad english
phew.. ah thought somebody mighta say ah maxg write it :rotfl: :rotfl:
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good i wanted a dutch coach
So the "all those in favour of a Dutch coach, say aye" group now have a membership of two (you and Brownsugar). When is allyuh first meeting? :devil:
lol i now see this :rotfl:
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good i wanted a dutch coach
So the "all those in favour of a Dutch coach, say aye" group now have a membership of two (you and Brownsugar). When is allyuh first meeting? :devil:
lol i now see this :rotfl:
How yuh go see with all dat oranje in town......
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well after reading about the TTFF technical Advisor's comments that there well be four -five coaches to be interviewed by this month and a head coach to be named. I looked at the short list of names he gave and decided to check there credentials on wiki but discovered that Johan is currently our national coach heres d link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Neeskens
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Well if its on Wikipedia then it must be accurate.
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Haha the magic of Wiki... some fool probably edited it
the TTFF come out with an announcement saying over the following weeks they will conduct interviews. Doubt we wouldnt hear about a confirmed coach until March
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cute heading funny judge
but this here shit is getting ridiculous about a coach ,is ah f**king pappy show oui.
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Feliziando atrini?
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Actually forgetting the TTFF and their enzymatic abilities to breakdown anything before them ...I would go for Pekerman !!! If I spending money I spending money on tried, tested and proven goods !! I en mind paying for a brand name ting ..if it is of top quality...it go last and I would get results ..
Check Jose pekerman's results ..especially with players at the developmental age ...we wasting time focussing on the next WC ...it is always the same ....no long term developmenta plan for the youngsters with talent ...imagine man 26 and above looking for their first pro contract ?? where was he at 18-25 ???? He wasn't good then he go be good now ?
I dont know if folks are looking at world trends in football ...is youngsters big clubs buying and putting them in second tier clubs to develop. That approach has worked in the case of Ronaldinho, CRonaldo, Messi, Nilmar, etc...so when will we learn that if we want our players to benefit or if we want our players to get international experience foreign clubs would only be interested in young players ?? But I tired sing this same song yes !!!!
Give Latapy ah chance ...Give Pfister ah chance ...give Wim ah chance ...leh we see how he dance ........but yuh kyah take chances wid T&T !!!!!
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Word from Portugal, Queiroz will pull out of the running for the T&T job. He feels 'uncomfortable with the process'. JW not the issue. (via @ShakaHislop (http://twitter.com/shakahislop))
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Word from Portugal, Queiroz will pull out of the running for the T&T job. He feels 'uncomfortable with the process'. JW not the issue. (via @ShakaHislop (http://twitter.com/shakahislop))
good.. go back to United where you belong
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Her we go again...ah feeling dizzy. Is like Alice in Wonderland waking up and finding yuh in la lal land nothing has changed...and worst we have a whole lot of mad hatters running the show.
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Here we go again...... six years later post World Cup EXPERIENCE AND WE MORE BAZODEE THAN WEN WE MADE IT. I once more moving back to a peaceful silence away from the madness, inept decision making and mentality of TTFF
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Amazing that the President / Association Board did not ride the same merry go around
Simple Logic: If THEY were responsible for choosing and hiring the coaches and year after year they fail
to get it right. Then it stands to reason that they should be fired &, or resign.
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Amazing that the President / Association Board did not ride the same merry go around
Simple Logic: If THEY were responsible for choosing and hiring the coaches and year after year they fail
to get it right. Then it stands to reason that they should be fired &, or resign.
:beermug:
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Our legacy of coaching changes are in tact. What is the longest life span of a coac of our national team? What do we really want from a coach?
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When will we just settle for a ladder rather than this flipping merry go round ?
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Enough to make yuh get giddy with the laughing at the clowns running the circus
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Here is a list of all the coaches were have had since independence. Hart is one of the very few to last over 2 years. Bertille is the other. The list has 3 yr gap. 1981, 1982, 1983. Anyone able to fill the gap?.
George Chambers (1964)
Amerigo Brunner (1965–1966)
Conrad Braithwaite (1965–1967)
Michael Laing (1968)
Trevor Smith (1969)
Kevin Verity (1972–1973)
Rudi Gutendorf (1976)
Edgar Vidale (1976)
Alvin Corneal (1980)
Kenneth Butcher (1980)
Roderick Warner (1984–1985)
Everald Cummings (1988–1989)
Kenwyn Cooper (1989)
Alvin Corneal (1990)
Edgar Vidale (1990–1991)
Muhammad Isa (1992)
Clóvis de Oliviera (1992)
Everald Cummings (1993)
Kenny Joseph (1994)
Zoran Vraneš (1994–1995)
Jochen Figge (1995)
Kenny Joseph (1996)
Sebastian de Araújo (1996)
Edgar Vidale (1997)
Bertille St. Clair (1997–2000)
Ian Porterfield (2000–2001)
René Simões (2001–2002)
Clayton Morris (2002)
Hannibal Najjar (2002–2003)
Zoran Vraneš (2003
Stuart Charles-Fevrier (2003)
Ron La Forest (2004)
Bertille St. Clair (2004–2005)
Leo Beenhakker (2005–2006)
Wim Rijsbergen (2006–2007)
Anton Corneal (2008)
Francisco Maturana (2008–2009)
Russell Latapy (2009–2011)
Otto Pfister (2011–2012)
Hutson Charles (2012–2013)
Jamaal Shabazz (2012–2013)
Stephen Hart (2013–2016)
Tom Saintfiet (2016–2017)
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Barely any stability on that list, no wonder we barely make any improvement.
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9 in 10 years. That like some NFL teams.
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I was home in 76, and I swear, I can't remember Gutendorf being the national coach. I remember Edgar being the coach around 74, taking over from Verity. He coached the team in DR for the CAC games. they got the silver medal. and he was coach in 75 for the PanAm games in Mex. and the Olimpic team qualifiers for Montreal. And he coached in 76 for the 78 WC, when we lost to the great Suriname team. So 77, 78, 79 is missing. Maybe Gutendorf coach around those 3 yrs. I am not sure.
But, yes, a long list for such a small nation. We discarded coaches like styrofoam utensils. And that has a lot to do with TTFA not being able to have long term development for football. The lack of a consistent and regular sources of funding and/or bad administrations all adds up to our inconsistencies.
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Wow! Is one thing to know something is/was bad. Is another thing to see just how bad and for how long.
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Done to destabilize our football... hence why we cannot compete consistently with the elite teams..
Sabotage... Hart was needed for the long term but that wasn't liked so they install the dictator to get rid of him and our stability
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Don't forget the overwhelming majority of the coaches on that list were hired and fired by the special advisor.
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If Deeks' post is correct, BSC and SH had the longest consecutive tenures (3 years each) of any T&T coach ever.
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'Survival Football', losses seen as failures rather than development exercises. New coach brought in to get us where we want to go, and then we repeat. I alluded to this many years ago, and was told i 'settling for mediocrity'. So how come after all this, we still mediocre, even with some of the best players, supporters, football minds and high level of experience in the region ? Maybe it to easy to "take we ball and go home" or is it 'we want ah new song every year, ole time thing was good, but we cyah hear the same tune againnn..oh gorm'. ;D
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Heard it's Franck Dumas, not 100% sure.
If not, delete when the time is right
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Heard it's Franck Dumas, not 100% sure.
Alexandre Dumas great, great, great, great, great grandson?
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Heard it's Franck Dumas, not 100% sure.
Alexandre Dumas great, great, great, great, great grandson?
lol
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From Wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franck_Dumas
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Please say it isn't so.. This man make Saintfiet look like Guardiola. NO international experience. Frightening...
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3 step backwards.. Lawd please no.
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Heard it's Franck Dumas, not 100% sure.
Alexandre Dumas great, great, great, great, great grandson?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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What is the pay for the level of these coaches. Boat ride tickets?
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Doh leh Contro find out!
Dumas has tax fraud issues, a court sentence stemming from that, the inability to work in France because he does not possess the requisite coaching credentials and (just for you Palos), he was recently in the hat for employment with Equatorial Guinea. Maybe he was recommended by the comrades over there.
Sounds fun.
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these comments though.. ah weak :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: even Mr Deeks come een hard!
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Doh leh Contro find out!
Dumas has tax fraud issues, a court sentence stemming from that, the inability to work in France because he does not possess the requisite coaching credentials and (just for you Palos), he was recently in the hat for employment with Equatorial Guinea. Maybe he was recommended by the comrades over there.
Sounds fun.
LOL @ Doh leh Contro find out!. On a serious note this man worse than Saintfeit. He actually got a three year sentence in his absence and his last known whereabouts was in Equatorial Guinea. God help us...http://punchng.com/ex-caen-coach-franck-dumas-sentenced-jail-fraud/
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Doh leh Contro find out!
Dumas has tax fraud issues, a court sentence stemming from that, the inability to work in France because he does not possess the requisite coaching credentials and (just for you Palos), he was recently in the hat for employment with Equatorial Guinea. Maybe he was recommended by the comrades over there.
Sounds fun.
LOL @ Doh leh Contro find out!. On a serious note this man worse than Saintfeit. He actually got a three year sentence in his absence and his last known whereabouts was in Equatorial Guinea. God help us...http://punchng.com/ex-caen-coach-franck-dumas-sentenced-jail-fraud/
Oh for f*cks sake!!!! :banginghead: :banginghead:
You can't make this sh*t up!! :cursing:
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make the Saintfete look like a Saint
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We just did the due diligence for the TTFA. I think the guy is a fit. Anyhow dey eh pay him, iz trouble in town. :rotfl:
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We just did the due diligence for the TTFA. I think the guy is a fit. Anyhow dey eh pay him, iz trouble in town. :rotfl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd8_zvKhtN8
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Doh leh Contro find out!
Dumas has tax fraud issues, a court sentence stemming from that, the inability to work in France because he does not possess the requisite coaching credentials and (just for you Palos), he was recently in the hat for employment with Equatorial Guinea. Maybe he was recommended by the comrades over there.
Sounds fun.
LOL @ Doh leh Contro find out!. On a serious note this man worse than Saintfeit. He actually got a three year sentence in his absence and his last known whereabouts was in Equatorial Guinea. God help us...http://punchng.com/ex-caen-coach-franck-dumas-sentenced-jail-fraud/
What you mean last known whereabouts? Don't tell me that this man evading authorities but somehow DJW was able to locate him.
Equatorial Guinea? No way. Didn't DJW set up a friendly that we were supposed to . ..
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Doh leh Contro find out!
Dumas has tax fraud issues, a court sentence stemming from that, the inability to work in France because he does not possess the requisite coaching credentials and (just for you Palos), he was recently in the hat for employment with Equatorial Guinea. Maybe he was recommended by the comrades over there.
Sounds fun.
LOL @ Doh leh Contro find out!. On a serious note this man worse than Saintfeit. He actually got a three year sentence in his absence and his last known whereabouts was in Equatorial Guinea. God help us...http://punchng.com/ex-caen-coach-franck-dumas-sentenced-jail-fraud/
If this one doesnt work out for DJW. He will get back the money spent when he turns Dumas into authorities and collects the reward.
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Nah, nah ... He appeared in court subsequently to explain why he was MIA/AWOL. Because he cyah coach in France he has to look for work abroad.
http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/le-scan-sport/2016/12/06/27001-20161206ARTFIG00287-franck-dumas-etait-capable-de-depenser-100000-euros-par-mois-aux-jeux.php
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What Insider should really tell us is who was third in line.
1. Troussier
2. Saintfiet
3. ________
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Maybe he's the only one from overseas who can speak English
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Maybe he's the only one from overseas who can speak English
That can't be it. Pacho was hired and hardly spoke a word of english
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Maybe he's the only one from overseas who can speak English
That can't be it. Pacho was hired and hardly spoke a word of english
That was one of the reasons why they hired Saintfete lol
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:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Insider is ah rell kicks man yes...nice try though! Yuh know we suffering so yuh bring ah little levity to the forum, ah like that.
This could NEVER be true, cause as much as people might be clowns and idiots, right now they know they have the attention of the football world, so they will NEVER foist someone like this on us...I'm not ah gambler but ah taking bets on this one, nice try Insider😉
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What Insider should really tell us is who was third in line.
1. Troussier
2. Saintfiet
3. ________
3. Fevrier
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these comments though.. ah weak :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: even Mr Deeks come een hard!
Yuh eh lie! Deeks drop de handbrake. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Even on a re-read dahis tears.
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Heard it's Franck Dumas, not 100% sure.
Alexandre Dumas great, great, great, great, great grandson?
Funny but it could very well be true. It is likely that all current Dumas are related and descending from a Haitian slave woman named Marie-Cessette who was given the made-up last-name 'Dumas'. In old French and in Creole a 'mas' is a small body of water. So they called her Marie-Cessette 'Dumas' which means she was from the area where there was a 'mas'. Her sons went to France with their French father who refused to allow his 'non-white' children to take on his noble last-name (de la Pailleterie). Thomas-Alexandre, the father of Alexandre Dumas, adopted his mother's made-up last-name 'Dumas'.
So, Franck Dumas may actually be a great great great great grandson of Thomas-Alexandre Dumas (the legendary general who invaded Russia for Napoleon) and Alexandre Dumas (the great French writer).
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Heard it's Franck Dumas, not 100% sure.
Alexandre Dumas great, great, great, great, great grandson?
Funny but it could very well be true. It is likely that all current Dumas are related and descending from a Haitian slave woman named Marie-Cessette who was given the made-up last-name 'Dumas'. In old French and in Creole a 'mas' is a small body of water. So they called her Marie-Cessette 'Dumas' which means she was from the area where there was a 'mas'. Her sons went to France with their French father who refused to allow his 'non-white' children to take on his noble last-name (de la Pailleterie). Thomas-Alexandre, the father of Alexandre Dumas, adopted his mother's made-up last-name 'Dumas'.
So, Franck Dumas may actually be a great great great great grandson of Thomas-Alexandre Dumas (the legendary general who invaded Russia for Napoleon) and Alexandre Dumas (the great French writer).
Then you guys should take him. Welcome him home etc. ;D
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Well hear nah....if this is what we looking to pick better we give Yorke a chance. He eh go get one otherwise......and honestly I cant see it ending worse than this.
Side note...WDMC is it with DJW and Equatorial Guinea?
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Heard it's Franck Dumas, not 100% sure.
Alexandre Dumas great, great, great, great, great grandson?
Funny but it could very well be true. It is likely that all current Dumas are related and descending from a Haitian slave woman named Marie-Cessette who was given the made-up last-name 'Dumas'. In old French and in Creole a 'mas' is a small body of water. So they called her Marie-Cessette 'Dumas' which means she was from the area where there was a 'mas'. Her sons went to France with their French father who refused to allow his 'non-white' children to take on his noble last-name (de la Pailleterie). Thomas-Alexandre, the father of Alexandre Dumas, adopted his mother's made-up last-name 'Dumas'.
So, Franck Dumas may actually be a great great great great grandson of Thomas-Alexandre Dumas (the legendary general who invaded Russia for Napoleon) and Alexandre Dumas (the great French writer).
Then you guys should take him. Welcome him home etc. ;D
Toussaint, the minute I saw the name, that was the first thing that came to my mind. And yes he could well be the great ....... grandson of the famous writer(the Count of Monte Cristo) and many other great books. Unfortunate for his "illustrious" name to get entangle in Trinto football bakanal! And yes, we know he has Caribe roots. While I was trying to be a bit funny, I was in no way trying to be pejorative.
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Heard it's Franck Dumas, not 100% sure.
Alexandre Dumas great, great, great, great, great grandson?
Funny but it could very well be true. It is likely that all current Dumas are related and descending from a Haitian slave woman named Marie-Cessette who was given the made-up last-name 'Dumas'. In old French and in Creole a 'mas' is a small body of water. So they called her Marie-Cessette 'Dumas' which means she was from the area where there was a 'mas'. Her sons went to France with their French father who refused to allow his 'non-white' children to take on his noble last-name (de la Pailleterie). Thomas-Alexandre, the father of Alexandre Dumas, adopted his mother's made-up last-name 'Dumas'.
So, Franck Dumas may actually be a great great great great grandson of Thomas-Alexandre Dumas (the legendary general who invaded Russia for Napoleon) and Alexandre Dumas (the great French writer).
Serious history lesson. :beermug:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas-Alexandre_Dumas
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Hats off to the dictator, he taking Uncle Tom and match fixing to a new level oui.. lol
So he pull out Dumas from some hole in the wall in Africa hiding out, to be his chief bribe man...
If is anyone to pull a schemer out of their ass at will and loose him on Trinidad and Tobago football, it's the dictator..
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This can't seriously be the suggestion? He's barely managed some random team in Morocco and doesn't have the right badges, but he can manage a team to the World Cup?
Are they even bothering to interview is the real question, or is it pull names from whichever "friend" has a "bright idea"
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Watch DJW move up the CONCACAF ranks after this WC qualifier vs the USA.
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Apparently Google is their friend! SMDH!
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Richard Chinapoo ;D
add: forget "Name ah coach, who might understand we shit" :devil:
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Bob Bradley
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mickey mouse!
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Bob Bradley
Seconded.
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Bob Bradley
Seconded.
Why?
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Alvin son
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Alvin son
Arnold or Alan ?
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Carolina Morace
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Carolina Morace
They don't have the balls for that.
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TTFA down to final three coaches.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).
The country’s next national football coach will be chosen from a shortlist of three, comprising Colombian Francisco Maturana, St Lucian Stuart Charles Fevrier, the W Connection coach and Englishman Terry Fenwick, a former San Juan Jabloteh coach, as the search continues for a replacement for Tom Saintfiet.
Guardian Media Sports was reliably informed that from a process of elimination, both Russell Latapy and Dennis Lawrence were dropped from the previous five-man shortlist by the Technical Committee of the T&T Football Association which is being headed by Dexter Skeene.
The committee will submit its choice for national coach to the Board of TTFA tomorrow for approval.
Latapy has been an assistant coach under the Belgian who said he resigned because of lack of support from the TTFA and its president David John-Williams last week, while Lawrence, an ex-national defender, has had six years experience in the English Premier League and has attained all his coaching badges. Yesterday, however the technical committee made a giant step toward bringing the selection process to an end by narrowing it down to three, and is expected to announce the new coach by tomorrow.
It is believed Maturana, who coached T&T back in 2008-2009 could be the top contender for the job but there are concerns over the huge cost the football association may have to put out to afford him. Like ex coach Stephen Hart, the Colombian enjoyed a good string of results going into the hex, but faltered in the final round of the FIFA World Cup Qualifiers.
His biggest achievements to date have been leading local team Atletico Nacional to their first Colombian to the Copa Libertadores title in 1989, as well as guiding the Colombian national team to their first Copa America title back in 2001.
Meanwhile Fevrier has dominated top flight local football, leading his team to multiple titles of the T&T Pro League, and twice winning the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) Club Championships. The 57 year old St Lucian said in an interview recently that he knew what was necessary to turn around the misfortunes of local football.
Fenwick on the otherhand is an ex England international who made his international debut for the full England side in May 1984 as a substitute for Alvin Martin at Wrexham, before going on to make 20 appearances for the national side up until 1988.
He is still best remembered for his inability to stop Argentine great Diego Maradona on his way to the ‘Goal of the Century’ at the FIFA World Cup in 1986.
In coaching Fenwick enjoyed tremendous successes winning the pro league title on four occasions (2002, 2003, 2007, and 2008). After securing a place in the Caribbean Champions League for Central FC, Fenwick signed for CS Visé in the Belgian Second Division.
He has publicly stated that he is the best man for the top job, noting that his close rival Fevrier has been tried and tested before.
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TTFA decides today.
By Ian Prescott (Expres).
INTERVIEWS having been made, the recommendation for new head coach of the Trinidad and Tobago national team will today be submitted to the board of directors of the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) for consideration.
The board of directors meet from 3p.m. today at the Hasley Crawford stadium, and among their deliberations will be to decide on the recommendation for a new national coach to fill the post vacated by Belgian Tom Saintfiet on Tuesday, January 10.
Reports are that candidates interested in the post were Colombian Francisco Maturana, Englishman Terry Fenwick and St Lucian Stuart Charles-Fevrier, along with former T&T national players Russell Latapy and Dennis Lawrence.
There is also support for the return of former national coach Stephen Hart, whose tenure ended after World Cup qualifying defeats in November. But there is no indication either if he is interested in resuming his former position or is being considered. Hart was replaced by obscure Belgian Saintfiet who suffered three defeats in four matches and lasted just over a month before he quit, citing lack of support by both the TTFA and its president David John-Williams.
Interviews were conducted by a TTFA technical committee, whose recommendations will be passed onto the board of directors. The technical committee is chaired by former national footballer and current professional football league CEO Dexter Skeene and also includes Dr Alvin Henderson (vice-chairman), Errol Lovell (former national goalkeeper), Edgar Vidale (former national men’s coach), Jinelle James (women’s football administrator and ex-national player) and Muhammad Isa (technical director).
The board of directors are responsible for appointing national coaches and technical staff and a source told the Express while it is not certain whether the recommendation will be accepted or agreed on, it is hoped that the process will be completed today so that a new national coach could be quickly appointed.
The TTFA Board of directors currently comprises TTFA president David John-Williams; TTFA vice-presidents Joanne Salazar, Ewing Davis and Allan Warner; Sherwyn Dyer (Eastern Counties Football Union), Karanjabari Williams (Northern FA), Richard Quan Chan (Southern FA), Anthony Moore (Tobago FA), Samuel Saunders (Central FA), Joseph Taylor (Trinidad and Tobago Football Referees Association), Sharon O’Brien (Women’s League Football), Wayne Cunningham (Eastern FA) and Dexter Skeene (TT Pro League).
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So all of a sudden the technical committee is involved?
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Of the three I prefer Fenwick but ah bet anybody is Fevrier. What a serious conflict of interests when it's confirmed. Ah wonder if DJW will give the same arrogant speech and approach at the "press conference"? SMFH
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If Fenwick is selected I will eat callaloo for the rest of the week. I love callaloo. Seriously, I will be surprised if he is selected.
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Soooo...we not getting an announcement til tmr or Friday?? I was hoping today...hope fenwick get it...DJW not gonna risk his success at connection...so is between maturana and fenwick
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I would prefer Maturana for a long term project ie from preliminary to semis to hex. Just cause the kinda technical football he wants to play ah kinda frightened fuh dem Fellas after the debacle vs USA. Fenwick and his pragmatic approach is what I prefer. As long as is not Fevrier I happy but I'll have to support Smdh
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I would prefer Maturana for a long term project ie from preliminary to semis to hex. Just cause the kinda technical football he wants to play ah kinda frightened fuh dem Fellas after the debacle vs USA. Fenwick and his pragmatic approach is what I prefer. As long as is not Fevrier I happy but I'll have to support Smdh
Maturana had us playing some good football despite his language barrier...
But the dictator went through all this bobol to most likely appoint Stuart ... lol his aim was to sabotage and destabilize our football..
Imagine kerron nowhere to be found, mind you he was playing better than Molino ... now after the shooting we can't even hear about him
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I would prefer Maturana for a long term project ie from preliminary to semis to hex. Just cause the kinda technical football he wants to play ah kinda frightened fuh dem Fellas after the debacle vs USA. Fenwick and his pragmatic approach is what I prefer. As long as is not Fevrier I happy but I'll have to support Smdh
Maturana had us playing some good football despite his language barrier...
But the dictator went through all this bobol to most likely appoint Stuart ... lol his aim was to sabotage and destabilize our football..
Imagine kerron nowhere to be found, mind you he was playing better than Molino ... now after the shooting we can't even hear about him
Correct me if I'm wrong but are you saying or implying Kerron's lack of form since he's been shot is DJW's fault?
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I would prefer Maturana for a long term project ie from preliminary to semis to hex. Just cause the kinda technical football he wants to play ah kinda frightened fuh dem Fellas after the debacle vs USA. Fenwick and his pragmatic approach is what I prefer. As long as is not Fevrier I happy but I'll have to support Smdh
Maturana had us playing some good football despite his language barrier...
But the dictator went through all this bobol to most likely appoint Stuart ... lol his aim was to sabotage and destabilize our football..
Imagine kerron nowhere to be found, mind you he was playing better than Molino ... now after the shooting we can't even hear about him
Correct me if I'm wrong but are you saying or implying Kerron's lack of form since he's been shot is DJW's fault?
It have plenty players on that team that the dictator currently select who lacking more than just form... kerron should be practising with the team and training with them to get back to full fitness, that shooting still doesn't sit well with me ...
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I would prefer Maturana for a long term project ie from preliminary to semis to hex. Just cause the kinda technical football he wants to play ah kinda frightened fuh dem Fellas after the debacle vs USA. Fenwick and his pragmatic approach is what I prefer. As long as is not Fevrier I happy but I'll have to support Smdh
Fenwick imho is the better choice as this stage to go with. He follows all our football, knows our players, can speak English and been around these guys before. He might be able to hit the ground running...the dentist on the other hand...maybe if he was here 2-3 years ago and built this team...then yea...I even prefer fevrier over mats truth be told...
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I would prefer Maturana for a long term project ie from preliminary to semis to hex. Just cause the kinda technical football he wants to play ah kinda frightened fuh dem Fellas after the debacle vs USA. Fenwick and his pragmatic approach is what I prefer. As long as is not Fevrier I happy but I'll have to support Smdh
Fenwick imho is the better choice as this stage to go with. He follows all our football, knows our players, can speak English and been around these guys before. He might be able to hit the ground running...the dentist on the other hand...maybe if he was here 2-3 years ago and built this team...then yea...I even prefer fevrier over mats truth be told...
The Dictator plan going well, he has forced the public to accept his shortlist and his choices, not the best choices for our football..
He bring in a dud to force us into a position to accept what he wants... he knew SANTHIEF would fail and created the environment for it to further sabotage our program and cut us out of the gold cup and Caribbean cup... he's not a stupid guy or incompetent, if he can hire morace he knows and they know what they are doing... more money to be made in sabotaging and fixing matches..
Why isn't Suarez on that list if pacho there? Corruption all around ....
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Fenwick imho is the better choice as this stage to go with. He follows all our football, knows our players, can speak English and been around these guys before. He might be able to hit the ground running...the dentist on the other hand...maybe if he was here 2-3 years ago and built this team...then yea...I even prefer fevrier over mats truth be told...
If dat is yuh criteria, might as well give the wuk to Alvin
The other thing is.....we SUPPOSED TO BE battling the best national teams in CONCACAF, some of whom are among the top 10 national teams in football and you want to give the reigns to 1 person who has never previously coached at the international level, and another who has only coached at regional level...BOTH OF WHOM have coached club teams that have been repeatedly TROUNCED by club teams in CONCACAF....over a coach who has international pedigree....been to the World Cup.....and at one time coached one of the 10 best national teams in football?
We truly deserve what we have currently.
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Fenwick imho is the better choice as this stage to go with. He follows all our football, knows our players, can speak English and been around these guys before. He might be able to hit the ground running...the dentist on the other hand...maybe if he was here 2-3 years ago and built this team...then yea...I even prefer fevrier over mats truth be told...
If dat is yuh criteria, might as well give the wuk to Alvin
The other thing is.....we SUPPOSED TO BE battling the best national teams in CONCACAF, some of whom are among the top 10 national teams in football and you want to give the reigns to 1 person who has never previously coached at the international level, and another who has only coached at regional level...BOTH OF WHOM have coached club teams that have been repeatedly TROUNCED by club teams in CONCACAF....over a coach who has international pedigree....been to the World Cup.....and at one time coached one of the 10 best national teams in football?
We truly deserve what we have currently.
The dentist failed us before not so
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Fenwick imho is the better choice as this stage to go with. He follows all our football, knows our players, can speak English and been around these guys before. He might be able to hit the ground running...the dentist on the other hand...maybe if he was here 2-3 years ago and built this team...then yea...I even prefer fevrier over mats truth be told...
If dat is yuh criteria, might as well give the wuk to Alvin
The other thing is.....we SUPPOSED TO BE battling the best national teams in CONCACAF, some of whom are among the top 10 national teams in football and you want to give the reigns to 1 person who has never previously coached at the international level, and another who has only coached at regional level...BOTH OF WHOM have coached club teams that have been repeatedly TROUNCED by club teams in CONCACAF....over a coach who has international pedigree....been to the World Cup.....and at one time coached one of the 10 best national teams in football?
We truly deserve what we have currently.
The dentist failed us before not so
Jack was the puppeteer in that saga, can't blame maturana for that... the players weren't full committed under Yorke at that time..
Maturana is the obvious choice and only logical choice out of that shortlist... the best choice for our football, maybe not, hart and others are much better suited..
But pound for pound, Maturana hands down
What Palos said above is not a joke, it's facts
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No one failed us
We did that to ourselves by accepting dotish ideologies to run any thing T and T
Selfish thoughtless vendictive nincompoops...How the Ras you expect to make progress..You start a thing you looking decent then some joker come around who think he is the brightness bulb out they and all of a sudden you right back from where started
Time to over throw them excuse me f**ked up mentality and ways of thinking.Time for shit to flow smoothly..How many times you going to start over..Come on man be bloody real for a dam change..This shit real annoying..I don't like it so
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I would prefer Maturana for a long term project ie from preliminary to semis to hex. Just cause the kinda technical football he wants to play ah kinda frightened fuh dem Fellas after the debacle vs USA. Fenwick and his pragmatic approach is what I prefer. As long as is not Fevrier I happy but I'll have to support Smdh
Maturana had us playing some good football despite his language barrier...
But the dictator went through all this bobol to most likely appoint Stuart ... lol his aim was to sabotage and destabilize our football..
Imagine kerron nowhere to be found, mind you he was playing better than Molino ... now after the shooting we can't even hear about him
Correct me if I'm wrong but are you saying or implying Kerron's lack of form since he's been shot is DJW's fault?
It have plenty players on that team that the dictator currently select who lacking more than just form... kerron should be practising with the team and training with them to get back to full fitness, that shooting still doesn't sit well with me ...
You are setting yourself up here for a lot of ridicule by that comment and implication. smdh
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I would prefer Maturana for a long term project ie from preliminary to semis to hex. Just cause the kinda technical football he wants to play ah kinda frightened fuh dem Fellas after the debacle vs USA. Fenwick and his pragmatic approach is what I prefer. As long as is not Fevrier I happy but I'll have to support Smdh
Maturana had us playing some good football despite his language barrier...
But the dictator went through all this bobol to most likely appoint Stuart ... lol his aim was to sabotage and destabilize our football..
Imagine kerron nowhere to be found, mind you he was playing better than Molino ... now after the shooting we can't even hear about him
Correct me if I'm wrong but are you saying or implying Kerron's lack of form since he's been shot is DJW's fault?
It have plenty players on that team that the dictator currently select who lacking more than just form... kerron should be practising with the team and training with them to get back to full fitness, that shooting still doesn't sit well with me ...
You are setting yourself up here for a lot of ridicule by that comment and implication. smdh
I bet it doh sit well with people who have they eyes open. We may not have proof but it is too coincidental.
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I would prefer Maturana for a long term project ie from preliminary to semis to hex. Just cause the kinda technical football he wants to play ah kinda frightened fuh dem Fellas after the debacle vs USA. Fenwick and his pragmatic approach is what I prefer. As long as is not Fevrier I happy but I'll have to support Smdh
Maturana had us playing some good football despite his language barrier...
But the dictator went through all this bobol to most likely appoint Stuart ... lol his aim was to sabotage and destabilize our football..
Imagine kerron nowhere to be found, mind you he was playing better than Molino ... now after the shooting we can't even hear about him
Correct me if I'm wrong but are you saying or implying Kerron's lack of form since he's been shot is DJW's fault?
It have plenty players on that team that the dictator currently select who lacking more than just form... kerron should be practising with the team and training with them to get back to full fitness, that shooting still doesn't sit well with me ...
You are setting yourself up here for a lot of ridicule by that comment and implication. smdh
I bet it doh sit well with people who have they eyes open. We may not have proof but it is too coincidental.
Imagine the man get shot in the leg, wrong leg before he was suppose to go to the US, before the Haiti qualifier, when the Dictator came into power, which almost had our players striking not long after and was one of our key players in the mid...
Hear nah, gun man from town, don't shoot men once and leave them alive to tell a story or identify them... you won't understand that Thomo..
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Ah pardner from Trinto say the coach is SCF? Anybody heard that is so?
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Ah pardner from Trinto say the coach is SCF? Anybody heard that is so?
We predict that over a year now... check from 2015
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If this is the final solution ...The final nail was just put into the coffin...
:devil: :devil: :devil:
Whe the devil they...I wonder who they mean
Well the final insult to my injury....Piss the man pissing and I thinking is rain falling.... Talk about conflict of interest...Talk about fete match mentality
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Same assistant coaches?
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Same assistant coaches?
Shabazz in his glee....
Sorry ah mean the terrorizer
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Ah pardner from Trinto say the coach is SCF? Anybody heard that is so?
Deeks. More bacchanal.
http://wired868.com/2017/01/18/ttfa-recommends-charles-fevrier-but-board-fails-to-agree-on-new-soca-warriors-coach/
TTFA committee recommends Charles-Fevrier but board fails to agree on new T&T coach
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Ah pardner from Trinto say the coach is SCF? Anybody heard that is so?
Deeks. More bacchanal.
http://wired868.com/2017/01/18/ttfa-recommends-charles-fevrier-but-board-fails-to-agree-on-new-soca-warriors-coach/
TTFA committee recommends Charles-Fevrier but board fails to agree on new T&T coach
Have no fear, Stuart Charles FOREVER is here....
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O coocoon mama hees salop
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O coocoon mama hees salop
DJW say alll yuh madddd...all yuh want my winning coach come and coach this losing team...fenwickkk wheyyyy yuh deyyyy
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TTFA Statement.
TTFA Media.
The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association wishes to state that following several hours of its statutory Board Meeting on Wednesday evening at the Association’s Head Office, it is yet to come to a final decision on the selection of the Trinidad and Tobago Men’s Senior Team Head Coach.
The TTFA expects to make an announcement on the selection by this coming weekend.
http://ttfootball.org/2017/01/18/ttfa-statement-2/
Yet another indictable development. As if Trinidad & Tobago football has the luxury of these cumulative delays. We are all witnesses to a perversion of governance.
At this rate, Saintfiet will be announced in another position before our friends at the federation would have made public a final decision.
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O coocoon mama hees salop
DJW say alll yuh madddd...all yuh want my winning coach come and coach this losing team...fenwickkk wheyyyy yuh deyyyy
Hey Trini_stallion, you sure is DJW make that call though? I just wonder if the rest of the board decided this time to grow ah pair and not just do the whole follow the leader thing like before?
Interesting that the tech comm went to the board with an un-unanimous decision, wonder who say nay? Anyway as we forumites all know is one bacahnal after the next...smfh
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If Stuart Charles gets the job then we doomed. It will bring about more conflict among selection of players and pro league clubs....plus he'll be controlled by DJW and crew.
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Actually it is normal for people to disagree. This is a good thing after experiencing the Hart-Saintfiet fiasco. But they should have done that at the time when Saintfiet was hired. But what I heard happened, at the meeting, some members were out of the country. So DJW say that the final decision falls with the TD. DJW asked the TD, wha is your opinion? Allyuh know the rest of the story.
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Actually it is normal for people to disagree. This is a good thing after experiencing the Hart-Saintfiet fiasco. But they should have done that at the time when Saintfiet was hired. But what I heard happened, at the meeting, some members were out of the country. So DJW say that the final decision falls with the TD. DJW asked the TD, wha is your opinion? Allyuh know the rest of the story.
So who is the TD?
Issa? Or Shabazz?
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Actually it is normal for people to disagree. This is a good thing after experiencing the Hart-Saintfiet fiasco. But they should have done that at the time when Saintfiet was hired. But what I heard happened, at the meeting, some members were out of the country. So DJW say that the final decision falls with the TD. DJW asked the TD, wha is your opinion? Allyuh know the rest of the story.
So who is the TD?
Issa? Or Shabazz?
I think it's the terrorizer... yuh have to have real belly to take that td wuk under the dictator
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Actually it is normal for people to disagree. This is a good thing after experiencing the Hart-Saintfiet fiasco. But they should have done that at the time when Saintfiet was hired. But what I heard happened, at the meeting, some members were out of the country. So DJW say that the final decision falls with the TD. DJW asked the TD, wha is your opinion? Allyuh know the rest of the story.
Constitution says?
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Actually it is normal for people to disagree. This is a good thing after experiencing the Hart-Saintfiet fiasco. But they should have done that at the time when Saintfiet was hired. But what I heard happened, at the meeting, some members were out of the country. So DJW say that the final decision falls with the TD. DJW asked the TD, wha is your opinion? Allyuh know the rest of the story.
Constitution says?
I thought the Dictator tear that relic up long time and the terrorizer wipe he backside with it
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O coocoon mama hees salop
DJW say alll yuh madddd...all yuh want my winning coach come and coach this losing team...fenwickkk wheyyyy yuh deyyyy
Hey Trini_stallion, you sure is DJW make that call though? I just wonder if the rest of the board decided this time to grow ah pair and not just do the whole follow the leader thing like before?
Interesting that the tech comm went to the board with an un-unanimous decision, wonder who say nay? Anyway as we forumites all know is one bacahnal after the next...smfh
That's another way to look at it I agree...I guess we will find out "by weekend!"
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O coocoon mama hees salop
DJW say alll yuh madddd...all yuh want my winning coach come and coach this losing team...fenwickkk wheyyyy yuh deyyyy
Hey Trini_stallion, you sure is DJW make that call though? I just wonder if the rest of the board decided this time to grow ah pair and not just do the whole follow the leader thing like before?
Interesting that the tech comm went to the board with an un-unanimous decision, wonder who say nay? Anyway as we forumites all know is one bacahnal after the next...smfh
That's another way to look at it I agree...I guess we will find out "by weekend!"
Whappen Ruby Tuesday havin a special this weekend? All yuh can eat bullcrap
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TTFA Statement.
TTFA Media.
The Trinidad and Tobago Football Association wishes to state that following several hours of its statutory Board Meeting on Wednesday evening at the Association’s Head Office, it is yet to come to a final decision on the selection of the Trinidad and Tobago Men’s Senior Team Head Coach.
The TTFA expects to make an announcement on the selection by this coming weekend.
http://ttfootball.org/2017/01/18/ttfa-statement-2/
Yet another indictable development. As if Trinidad & Tobago football has the luxury of these cumulative delays. We are all witnesses to a perversion of governance.
At this rate, Saintfiet will be announced in another position before our friends at the federation would have made public a final decision.
ha ha - with his personal trainer in tow.....
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Andre Baptiste saying is Dennis Lawrence ???
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Just saw it on Facebook :cursing:
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steups. dis is how de cia must feel.
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Just saw it on Facebook :cursing:
if he teaches defense like Roberto we dead....but lehwe see way dis going
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The dictator just completed check mate in sabotaging our World Cup chances with his minions...
I will support Dennis but he's not the right person to guide us to the World Cup... he's an asst coach to someone like Hart Andy if not hart, maturana who is far more qualified and could have given us a fighting chance..
And if people think the tech committee runs our football all of a sudden, think again, it's a smoke screen, the dictator still controls them
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I throw in Hart name, but I know he's not on de list.
Out of de five applications, who allyuh like?
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Dennis Lawrence will get my vote or Terry Fenwick.
I can guarantee you this, Stuart Charles will be T&T coach because John Williams will assure this happens and once that happens, expect to see Stuart Charles there for the rest of your lives, win, lose or draw.
I told you guys that Jack will never be extradited and it came through, now believe me when I tell you that Stuart Charles will be T&T coach because John Williams will knock the TTFA board and the committee is just a bunch of faces just for show.
***Message sent from my BMW M5 Touring G-Power Hurricane RR ***
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Tallest get the job already.
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Lawrence just refused the TTFA terms!!! Cmon...fenwickkkk
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i vote for the combo but i think you should have left them out lol
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Andre Baptiste saying is Dennis Lawrence ???
Andre Baptiste is de local Steve Harvey
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Dennis Lawrence will get my vote or Terry Fenwick.
I can guarantee you this, Stuart Charles will be T&T coach because John Williams will assure this happens and once that happens, expect to see Stuart Charles there for the rest of your lives, win, lose or draw.
I told you guys that Jack will never be extradited and it came through, now believe me when I tell you that Stuart Charles will be T&T coach because John Williams will knock the TTFA board and the committee is just a bunch of faces just for show.
***Message sent from my BMW M5 Touring G-Power Hurricane RR ***
The tech committee are figureheads... I agree with what you're saying, been saying this as well
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Of the list presented, only two coaches..(excluding Lawrence because he has no history)..I feel have the capabilty of leading the National Team to be a creditable performer in the Hex.
Both men are on par with each other with respect to the knowledge of the game...the rest are nowhere near.
The two men are Maturana and Hart.
Maturana may have a slight edge because of his style of play.
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Hart and Lawrence and I go book meh ticket to see Putin.
I think Hart and Lawrence can do the job. Any committee that has half of a brain will probably choose the Hart - Lawrence duo to get us to Russia.
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The protest vote
My Hart
This season is over and if there is no vision for the future..Well it will not be surprising to see us with 100 + FIFA rankin
I hope the current administration wear that with pride..
When the leaders have no vision the people perish...And the people is.....us
Rastafari
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Two forumites voted for Maturana??!! I find the fact that he in the mix is insulting as a fan.....let the dentist stay where he is....
:frustrated: :banginghead: :cursing: :bs:
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Two forumites voted for Maturana??!! I find the fact that he in the mix is insulting as a fan.....let the dentist stay where he is....
:frustrated: :banginghead: :cursing: :bs:
Donkey years you on this board and you ent learn nuttin about football?
Stop talking rubbish nah, maturana have more football sense in his big toe than your entire brain ...
The man is a boss coach, he was under teflon who didn't support him and get rid of him, with players not fully committed, but of course you would not consider that, nor the fact of his decorated resume..
He had us playing a very attractive and attacking brand for the short time he had with the team
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Hart and Lawrence and I go book meh ticket to see Putin.
I think Hart and Lawrence can do the job. Any committee that has half of a brain will probably choose the Hart - Lawrence duo to get us to Russia.
With Leo as tech director ... now that is a coaching staff
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The Board of Directors appoints the Technical Committee to advise.
They don't have to limit their choices to the 5 recommended so nothing stopping them from talking to Hart.
Question is if they going to make a decision on keeping the contract as a short term one or not because Fenwick already said he not interested in anything short term. Maybe he will take it anyway but they can't afford to get rejected twice.
Could be they talking to the next choice by later today/tomorrow.
I hope they know they in for some hard lash in March for anyone who fails from their current shortlist.
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Two forumites voted for Maturana??!! I find the fact that he in the mix is insulting as a fan.....let the dentist stay where he is....
:frustrated: :banginghead: :cursing: :bs:
Donkey years you on this board and you ent learn nuttin about football?
Stop talking rubbish nah, maturana have more football sense in his big toe than your entire brain ...
The man is a boss coach, he was under teflon who didn't support him and get rid of him, with players not fully committed, but of course you would not consider that, nor the fact of his decorated resume..
He had us playing a very attractive and attacking brand for the short time he had with the team
Contro, I liked Pacho, but he had mixed results, even though our team was playing a good brand. And he was under heavy manners from AJW. We never had a cobo sweat with a Colombian team while he was coach. Not even a sweat with we next door neighbor. So why should he come back to the same situation as we have at this moment. Who is the man running we football? If you going to take a job, you and your principled self would not work under these conditions set by DJW. So why would Pacho?
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Two forumites voted for Maturana??!! I find the fact that he in the mix is insulting as a fan.....let the dentist stay where he is....
:frustrated: :banginghead: :cursing: :bs:
Donkey years you on this board and you ent learn nuttin about football?
Stop talking rubbish nah, maturana have more football sense in his big toe than your entire brain ...
The man is a boss coach, he was under teflon who didn't support him and get rid of him, with players not fully committed, but of course you would not consider that, nor the fact of his decorated resume..
He had us playing a very attractive and attacking brand for the short time he had with the team
Contro, I liked Pacho, but he had mixed results, even though our team was playing a good brand. And he was under heavy manners from AJW. We never had a cobo sweat with a Colombian team while he was coach. Not even a sweat with we next door neighbor. So why should he come back to the same situation as we have at this moment. Who is the man running we football? If you going to take a job, you and your principled self would not work under these conditions set by DJW. So why would Pacho?
Deeks, ah sorry eh. But I still get flashbacks of us being defeated by Bermuda under the dentist......I really doh remember much else.....
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Two forumites voted for Maturana??!! I find the fact that he in the mix is insulting as a fan.....let the dentist stay where he is....
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Donkey years you on this board and you ent learn nuttin about football?
Stop talking rubbish nah, maturana have more football sense in his big toe than your entire brain ...
The man is a boss coach, he was under teflon who didn't support him and get rid of him, with players not fully committed, but of course you would not consider that, nor the fact of his decorated resume..
He had us playing a very attractive and attacking brand for the short time he had with the team
Contro, I liked Pacho, but he had mixed results, even though our team was playing a good brand. And he was under heavy manners from AJW. We never had a cobo sweat with a Colombian team while he was coach. Not even a sweat with we next door neighbor. So why should he come back to the same situation as we have at this moment. Who is the man running we football? If you going to take a job, you and your principled self would not work under these conditions set by DJW. So why would Pacho?
That's not pacho fault, that was teflons responsibility and fault we didn't play Colombia.. don't blame pacho for that... that's rubbish, back then we were starving for friendlies under jack ...allyuh have short memory
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Contro you are right about Maturana...we were playing very good football only to get better but he was undermined by Latapy and Yorke ...they wanted to coach...he wanted Latapy to play but Latapy refused.
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Contro you are right about Maturana...we were playing very good football only to get better but he was undermined by Latapy and Yorke ...they wanted to coach...he wanted Latapy to play but Latapy refused.
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Thank you, I'm happy someone remembers
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So we is not coach too? TTFA’s coach selection process questioned after more Connection hirings.
By R.Walcott (Wired868).
San Juan Jabloteh are one win away from sweeping the three categories of the Flow Youth Pro League (FYPL) for the third straight season.
However, with the decisive match carded for the San Juan North Secondary School compound in Bourg Mulatresse today, some people in the Jabloteh ranks feel as though their accomplishments at youth level are not being duly recognised at national level.
The club’s Under-15 and Under-17 units have already wrapped up their FYPL divisions for the 2017 season. Today, the Under-13 squad will bid to complete the unprecedented triple triple for the “San Juan Kings.”
Currently level with Police FC atop the FYPL’s standings on 46 points, the Under-13’s have the wind in their sails because of their superior goal difference; astonishingly, they have already racked up a total of 102 goals.
But despite that proud record, Jabloteh’s coaches aren’t being summoned for national duty or included in the Trinidad and Tobago Football Association’s (TTFA) Elite Youth Development Program. And Dave Weekes, the man responsible for overseeing the club’s Under-13 and Under-15 teams in the FYPL, simply cannot understand why.
The National Lotteries Control Board (NLCB)-sponsored Elite Youth Development Program is geared towards discovering Under-13 players and nurturing and harnessing their skills with a view to preparing them for future national teams.
The head coach in the Elite Youth Development Program is Stuart Charles-Février, head coach at W Connection whose junior coaches, Clyde Leon and Leonson Lewis, serve as assistants in the TTFA Grassroots Program.
At present, Earl Jean and Elijah Joseph—both former St Lucia international players; like Février—are the only established Connection coaches who do not also have jobs with the TTFA, which is presided over by Connection owner David John-Williams.
After TTFA technical director Muhammad Isa informed Février that he would be the person responsible for overseeing the Elite program, the Connection coach—who is also one of Dennis Lawrence’s assistant coaches at national senior team level—said he decided to bring former national players Leon and Lewis on board.
Février noted that both men were competent enough to do the job and that he and the pair had already established a good working relationship.
However, Weekes, who has been a coach at Jabloteh for almost two decades, is questioning the TTFA’s method for assigning coaches to the Elite Youth Program. And he is not alone in raising these concerns.
Former TTFA Technical Committee chairman Dexter Skeene previously told Wired868 that the local football body did not follow proper protocol in hiring Williams for the Under-20 job last year. And now former National Under-20 coach Derek King is making noises similar to Weekes’.
“This thing in Trinidad about elite and elite. How we could have an elite program?” Weekes asked Wired868. “Jabloteh winning every year—if we ain’t win all three, we taking two—and none of the coaches could coach a national team? Something have to be wrong.
“Why we doing such good work and our coaches cannot even get a water-boy work coaching a national team? We are doing something wrong then; we have to be doing something wrong!”
Weekes suggested that Jabloteh head coach and technical director Keith Jeffrey along with Under-17 coach Gilbert Bateau are both capable of steering national youth teams to success. And in support of his claim, he pointed to Jabloteh’s quarterfinal finish at last year’s CONCACAF Under-13 Champions League tournament.
In recent times, the National Men’s Under-17 and Under-20 teams have had indifferent returns as the Russell Latapy-led Under-17 unit failed to get past the Caribbean Football Union (CFU) qualifying stage last year while the Under-20’s, under the stewardship of coach Brian Williams—another W Connection employee—failed to advance from their group at CONCACAF level.
The National Under-20 coach Derek King also wondered aloud to Wired868 whether the David John-Williams-led administration is continuing in the same vein as the questionable appointment cited by Skeene.
“It’s really sad. Nobody ever contacted me knowing I’m from the East/West corridor to help out with the Elite Youth Program,” said King. “I don’t know. It’s really strange and it’s sad to know that nothing ever really came out advertising that coaches were needed for these positions. So I don’t know if it’s a personal agenda against coaches who were there under the previous administration.”
Skeene and two other technical committee members vacated their posts after Lawrence was hired as national senior team coach in January. It is uncertain who replaced them on the committee or if indeed there were any replacements at all.
TTFA general secretary Justin Latapy-George told Wired868 that a technical committee was indeed in operation at the TTFA. However, he stated that Isa, the technical director, would be better placed to say exactly who was on the committee and explain their functions.
Wired868 tried unsuccessfully to reach Isa for clarification on the process used to hire Février as Elite Youth Program head coach and the current composition of and goings-on in the Technical Committee.
King, however, who led Trinidad and Tobago’s Under-20 team to Caribbean success in 2014, has already concluded that certain coaches are being sidelined.
“We haven’t heard anything since we resigned,” he told Wired868. “[Former national senior team assistant coach] Hutson Charles and I have never received a letter from the organisation thanking us for our service and stuff.
“It’s really sad because we have served the country as coaches for quite some time and we had success at youth level. I personally feel that they have sidelined certain coaches who were there with the previous administration.”
Weekes, who said he helped to nurture the likes of Jason Marcano and Warriors standout Kevin Molino, echoed King’s sentiment while ex-national stalwart and current Club Sando coach Angus Eve also indicated that he had not been contacted concerning the National Elite Program.
“They condemn Jack Warner and now the new president come in and like it’s only South people [being hired],” said Weekes. “What these fellahs have over us? We are not in the clique. […] Either the [technical] director [Keith Jeffrey] too mannish or they find the coaches are too mannish.
“They are overlooking the Youth Pro League. I cannot see why W [Connection’s] coaches alone are being selected and they cannot beat us in any competition. I could vouch for that. When teams come to play Jabloteh, I always tell my players that they are coming to beat the name so you must have that pride.”
King feels that more transparency in the selection process of coaches, inclusive of advertisements detailing the positions available and the requirements to be met would help improve the TTFA’s relationship with eager coaches and the general football public.
But transparency regarding their coach selection process is not the only issue being raised about the TTFA these days. Veterans Football Foundation of Trinidad and Tobago (VFFOTT) president Selby Browne has sent an official request to the umbrella body asking for answers to a slew of questions about how the administration is utilising the funds received from the NLCB’s TT$8 million sponsorship.
In a document containing dozens of incisive questions revealed at the TTFA’s EGM on Wednesday 5 July, Browne’s asked the TTFA inter alia, “What is the total cost of salary and administrative expenses of the NLCB grassroots program?”
And he also asked the TTFA to reveal the names of the directors of the NLCB grassroots program.
Février, who suggested that the Elite Youth Program was still in its teething stage, vowed to do his part as he and his staff try to find the best crop of youngsters to develop into future national standouts.
“The Elite Youth Development Program is two-fold,” he told Wired868. “Yes, we want to have a good Under-13 team but we also want to develop players for the future of Trinidad and Tobago football. It’s a means to an end. And the end is the national team […] in the next six to ten years we want to see them competing at the international level.”
The TTFA has scheduled a zonal Under-13 tournament to run from September to November. At the end of it, the plan is to select an ‘elite’ pool of about 50 players to work with Charles-Février and company in the future.
Weekes, King and Eve will hope that there’s room for them—and maybe Jeffrey—in that company.
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Can coaches resuscitate T&T football? King, Jordan give benefits of coaching body.
By R.Walcott (Wired868).
You are nine games into the season and your team sits atop the TT Pro League standings with 18 points. Additionally, you have only this week been on hand to witness your veteran marksman, Kerry Baptiste, grab his 150th league goal on Tuesday night.
Surely North East Stars coach Derek King has reason to be smiling, right? Maybe a Pro League title is on the cards for him…
King, a former national defender, who also served as assistant coach to Stephen Hart during his tenure as “Soca Warriors” head coach, believes that local coaches—and football stakeholders—need to pull together more than ever now: in its 16th year, the Pro League, he thinks, may well be on its last legs.
King is not alone in his view; Brian Jordan, a former member of the technical staff of St Benedict’s College in the Secondary Schools Football League and Point Fortin Civic FC in the Pro League, is also eager to see a body representing national coaches up and running.
“We’d love to see the League stay alive and for the clubs to get some financial help,” King told Wired868. “Once that is sorted, we are playing here to win and that’s our ambition. But right now, we as a league are in dire need of help.
“It’s hard to see that teams can come with 14 players for a game…”
The 37-year-old King, who had his career prematurely halted by injury, was referring to last Friday when three-time defending Pro League champions Central FC showed up at the Arima Velodrome for a clash with Stars with a bare 14 players.
“If Central is being affected, that means other clubs are possibly being affected too,” he reasoned. “We have to watch it that way. We as coaches can’t just be selfish in that sense because obviously if you are building and one of the bricks higher up starts to fall, then the whole building will eventually fall.
“So it’s something that we really have to check from the Pro League come right down.”
The former defender struck a sombre note as he spoke to Wired868 about the shaky footing on which the League now stands and the roles which coaches, players and administrators need to play in order to put Trinidad and Tobago football back on solid ground. Because, according to King, at the moment, local football is in a near depressing state.
King’s opinion seems likely not to be unpopular at this point, if the size of the crowd at the Ato Boldon Stadium in Couva for the 1 September World Cup qualifier against Honduras is any guide; a mere 5,000 fans turned up.
The whole atmosphere of the Trinidad and Tobago Football is on the down-low,” said King. “When Stephen Hart, Hutson “Barber” Charles and I were with the national team, the stadium was packed for a USA game because football was on a high at that time. Now, if you get 4,000 persons out of (a capacity of) 20,000-plus, you get plenty.”
With things as unencouraging as they have been as far as spectator turnout for national matches is concerned, it would be at least naïve to expect better at the level of the domestic league.
How can the local professional league, which suffers from paltry attendance in the first instance, generate spectator viewership which can induce sponsors to throw their hats in the ring? How can the teetering league move towards sustainability and self-sufficiency and away from dependence on the government’s purse?
A bridge too far, perhaps…
“It’s really hard now in the Pro League to get a player and give him a salary to help his family […],” said King. “Before, a player could get $10,000 and $12,000 but that has stopped. I believe some of the players now have second jobs.”
“How can we fix that?” he went on. “Fixing that is by improving the product we put out on the field to help people come and invest their money. If you don’t have a good product, then nobody will invest their money as a businessman.
“At the end of the day, we know it’s all about winning but we need to support each other as coaches, especially as the national set-up isn’t doing too well. Sponsors are not on board and, in the Pro League, the subvention has stopped from the Ministry…”
Despite lauding Stars owner Darryl Mahibir for all his backing and persistence over the years, King is not putting his money on the League to last the rest of the year unless the government subvention to clubs is resumed. Along with Jordan, the Stars coach is of the view that the Pro League may need to reshape before it can move in the right direction again.
“We need some revamping. I am not calling any names but there are people who have been there for so long and things are not improving,” said King. “That’s the reality we have to deal with now. They need to go! We can’t keep on saying we are improving and nothing is taking place […].
“We lost Digicel and Toyota [as sponsors] and yet they are saying the Pro League is getting better. The whole marketing structure is poor.”
Jordan, who is also a security and software consultant, stated that he has been advocating a restructuring of the Pro League and Trinidad and Tobago Super League (TTSL) which will see a promotion and relegation system between the two.
According to Jordan, this model would prove to be more suitable and sustainable for local football as it would operate as a semi-professional league.
“Honestly, I think it would be better for the Pro League to build from scratch; I think it was built on a bad model to start with –and TTFA as well,” said Jordan. “To me, you can’t just expect football people to run football [because] that’s just very close-minded […]. You want other ideas, other people who think differently so when you approach an issue or a problem area, you get different solutions.
“Traditionally, when sitting in a group of footballers, you get a limited scope of ideas and that’s why the Pro League is in its current state.”
Both King and Jordan believe that coaches and administrators need to get away from the crabs-in-a-barrel mentality, which, both agree, is currently plaguing Trinidad and Tobago football and clearly hindering its forward movement.
“We need to come together and get away from all this animosity and study Trinidad and Tobago football,” King told Wired868. “That’s the problem. We have too much ego in football. Is who have power and that one don’t like this one.
“We have to stop that. We must put Trinidad and Tobago football first […]; we as people create our own problems.”
Clearly on the same page of the How to save T&T football manual as King, Jordan is doing his level best to get a national coaches’ association started or, at least, to have some serious consultation about it with coaches from all over the country.
Jordan suggested that the idea for a coaches’ association was solidified last year after what he deemed as the victimization of coaches Dexter Cyrus and Michael Grayson while in their posts at St Benedict’s and St Augustine Secondary respectively.
And Jordan would have experienced the drama which unfolded at St Benedict’s first-hand, as he was Cyrus’ assistant during a season which saw a player allegedly struck by a Benedict’s team manager after a Premier Division match in 2015.
Along with Cyrus and Grayson, who is currently overseeing Trinity College East in the Secondary Schools Football League (SSFL), Jordan has reached out to Michael Du Four, Angus Eve, Keith Jeffrey and Clayton Morris among others in an attempt to get some brainstorming done about a possible association.
“People from all walks would be in that initial meeting,” he explained, “but the thing is I don’t want to be premature in doing it. It’s for coaches who are interested to contact me so we can get the ball rolling in a proper manner.”
He told Wired868 that interested coaches can and should reach out to him at nextlvlconsulting@yahoo.com. He believes that, once the response is right and all systems are go, the entity could be registered within a week.
“When we only look at sending football players abroad to play and we don’t look at sending coaches abroad to coach we are very short-sighted,” was how he put it. “We have to understand that there are different techniques and a classroom is good for theory but it is not the place for practical improvement.”
“And certainly, with the issues that would have grounded Dexter Cyrus and Michael Grayson,” he went on, “they needed somebody to voice their concerns on a national level because they probably weren’t the only coaches to go through that sort of victimisation.”
Reporting that the Pro League coaches and southern-based coaches have already indicated an interest in adopting the idea for their respective organisations, Jordan made it clear that he is only interested in holistic progress on a national scale—not excluding Tobago.
Having already circulated a draft constitution, he is eager for the positive feedback which can help the association become a reality. However, in response to the question of whether he had broached the idea with the TTFA, Jordan replied in the negative.
“I am mindful that, in that regard, I don’t want to put myself out there,” he explained, “as being the Coaches’ Association person. I will want a coalition of coaches to elect a duly elected body and then and only then have consultation with the TTFA.”
Jordan has laid his cards out on the table and put on his poker face; he has a King in hand. Does he have an ace in the hole?
Will he find what he needs in the rest of the pack to make it a full house?
Given the current state of T&T football, some would say, that’s not asking for a great deal…
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T&T football coaches feeling $$ pinch.
By Joel Bailey (Newsday).
THE TECHNICAL staff members of the various Trinidad and Tobago football teams (men’s and women’s) have been feeling the pinch of the current economic climate, as far as their monthly salaries are concerned.
A few technical staff members (both men’s and women’s) are getting their monthly salaries, whereas others have either received partial payments or no salaries at all from the TT Football Association (TTFA) for the past few months.
During the last decade, a number of coaches and administrators have pursued legal action towards the TTFA (or then TT Football Federation) for outstanding salaries. That list includes Stephen Hart, Russell Latapy, Wim Rijsbergen (coaches), Anton Corneal, Kendall Walkes and Sheldon Phillips (administrators).
Latapy is back in the coaching arena, as the head of the national youth teams (Under-15, Under-17 and Under-20). Former Under-17 coach and men’s team assistant Corneal has returned as the TTFA technical director.
Dennis “Tallest” Lawrence, national men’s coach, declined to comment on whether or not his salary payments have been affected lately.
Yesterday a technical member, who did not wish to be identified, said the TTFA needs to find a solution to the matter as his salary has not been flowing as it should in recent times.
“It’s affected the smooth running of the programme, the ability to arrange proper practice games,” said the technical member. “We do have financial constraints and we have to work around them as best as we can. Unfortunately, it is going to affect all the teams.”
Asked if he is among the group of personnel who are yet to paid in full, the technical member replied, “Of course (but) I’m hoping it could be rectified very soon.”
He continued, “This is the situation of the Association right now. It’s difficult to ask teams to perform, especially when proper planning cannot be implemented. The main thing is to find solutions to these ongoing problems.”
When contacted last evening, TTFA first vice-president Ewing Davis acknowledged that his organisation is aware of the problems, and said a meeting would be planned to discuss the matter.
“While that is the reality (referring to the TTFA financial woes), I don’t want to comment on that until the Board meets and we take a position,” Davis said.
Speaking on conditions of anonymity, two national team officials outlined contrasting fortunes, with regards to the salary scenario.
One official said, “I have been paid. I’ve heard that (some officials have not been paid) but I can’t confirm. I can speak for myself that I’ve been paid.”
Another official admitted that he is yet to be paid in full for the past few months. But he understands the financial issues afflicting the TTFA.
“It’s affecting the Ministry of Finance, it’s affecting everybody,” he said. “Finance is a problem in every organisation. Everybody in the (TTFA) is undergoing hardship. No team is being spared, it’s a squeeze.”
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Tallest salary being paid by FIFA so why would he worry? ::)
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Who was T&T’s best and worst coach in this millennium? Wired868 uses stats to answer.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).
“At the end of the day, [Dennis Lawrence] does not have to put the ball behind the net and neither do I,” Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president David John-Williams told the Trinidad Guardian. “[Lawrence] is a professional and well-trained coach, who […] has coached at the highest level and I have a lot of faith in Dennis.”
John-Williams’ response to Trinidad and Tobago’s 6-0 loss to the United States in 2019 Concacaf Gold Cup action was a breathtakingly dismissive view of not only the current form of the Soca Warriors but the angst felt by supporters and football stakeholders.
If Lawrence—the person who selects, prepares, instructs and directly oversees the Men’s National Team—is not responsible for what happens on the field, then who is?
If John-Williams can find a sensible answer to that question, he ought to put it in a book. It might revolutionise the world of business management. But let’s stick with Lawrence for now.
There is no exact gauge for the length of time a coach needs to impart his philosophy on his squad. Some say six weeks, others six months and some as long as a year.
Lawrence’s lanky six foot seven frame has occupied the head coach’s chair since January 2017 and led the Warriors into action on 26 occasions during that period.
He has three unwanted records during that spell.
After openings wins over Barbados—albeit in a game unrecognised by FIFA, since Lawrence exceeded the number of permitted substitutes—and Panama, Lawrence was unlucky to lose 1-0 to Mexico at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Port of Spain. Left flanker Joevin Jones had an attempt ruled out that VAR, were it available, would have surely upheld.
But after that result, Lawrence found he just could not stop losing. What followed was the longest run of successive losses in Trinidad and Tobago’s football history.
Between Thursday 8 June and Friday 6 October 2017, the Warriors lost seven games on a trot against United States (A) 0-2, Costa Rica (A) 1-2, Ecuador (A) 1-3, Jamaica (H) 1-2, Honduras (H) 1-2, Panama (A) 0-3 and Mexico (A) 1-3. (H = home match; N = neutral venue; A = away match).
That streak eclipsed a six-match losing spell between 1955 and 1957 when the Men’s National Senior Team did not even have a coach. Sonny Vincent-Brown was the manager but the captain on the day was responsible for picking the players and the tactics.
And, fresh after the international retirement of goalkeeper Joey Gonsalves and with ageing attacker Carlton ‘Squeaky’ Hinds well past his best, it is fair to say that T&T’s amateur players struggled to get those calculations right. But not for as long as Lawrence, though.
What happened next might have a profound impact on Lawrence’s immediate future.
A cocksure United States team came to Couva, made some disparaging remarks about the waterlogged track around the Ato Boldon Stadium and then went on to be stunned 2-1 in their final qualifying match—a result that had a seismic effect.
The United States had failed to qualify for a World Cup for the first time since 1986, Panama were through to their inaugural senior FIFA tournament and Alvin Jones’ stunning 30 yard strike was shown around the world.
Glossed over was the fact that Jones’ freakish item apart—he had never scored before for the Warriors and has not done so since—it was an own goal by American defender Omar Gonzales, which separated the two teams.
A month later, Lawrence could not get wins at home against Grenada and Guyana despite being virtually at full strength.
So was the US win a fluke?
Lawrence has plenty of time to answer that question, if John-Williams has his way. But, improbably, he has set two more unflattering records since then.
Trinidad and Tobago’s 6-0 loss to USA on Saturday 22 June 2019—in their first meeting since that fateful night in Couva—was the Warriors’ largest ever defeat in a Gold Cup match and their most lopsided result ever against the ‘Stars and Stripes’.
Less well known on the weekend was that Lawrence’s men had actually set an embarrassing mark at both ends. It was their seventh straight match without a goal, which is the longest barren ever since the TTFA’s first recorded international match in 1923.
The second longest spell without a goal came during the tenure of joint head coaches Hutson ‘Barber’ Charles and Jamaal Shabazz which lasted for six matches and comprised games against: Cuba (N) 0-1, Peru (H) 0-2, Belize (A) 0-0, Peru (A) 0-3, Romania (A) 0-4 and Estonia (A) 0-1 during a seven month spell.
Lawrence’s own barren run lasted nine months and included Thailand A (0-1), Iran A (0-1), Wales A (0-1), Japan A (0-0), Canada N (0-2), Panama N (0-2) and USA A (0-6).
At present, Lawrence is on a streak of eight matches without a win, which is the second longest in the professional era of the local game. He is one winless game behind his own record of nine matches, which he set between 8 March and 6 October 2017.
The only coach to have overseen a longer stretch without a victory was Roderick Warner, who was in charge for 12 winless matches between 3 March 1985 and 18 July 1985.
Then team captain Clayton ‘JB’ Morris said the players received a box of chicken chips and a soft drink for representing their country in those days; and he still remembers the response from staff member Richard Groden when they asked for a match fee:
“Allyuh getting a plane ride; what allyuh want again?”
To be fair to Warner (R), six of the 12 winless matches in that stretch were draws—as opposed to just two for Lawrence against Japan and Guyana.
Unflattering records apart, how does Lawrence’s actual win-loss ratio stand up?
Lawrence has steered the Warriors for 26 games with five wins, six draws and 15 losses; and 19 goals scored and 39 conceded. It means he has won 20 percent of his outings and lost 57 percent.
However, Wired868 will compare based on competitive matches. Some coaches played far more friendlies against weaker Caribbean opposition than others while friendly games are largely cosmetic anyway and count for about as little as a practice test.
So here, in order of best to worst, are the competitive records of Trinidad and Tobago’s 14 coaches since 2000, based on win percentages:
1. Bertille St Clair: 21-16-0-5-59-26 (tallied as wins-draws-losses-goals for-goals against)
Wins: 75 per cent; Losses: 25 percent.
St Clair’s run started with a 2-0 friendly win over Barbados on 2 July 1997 and ended with a 1-0 loss against Canada at the Concacaf Gold Cup semifinal on 24 February 2000 because, eh, then TTFF special advisor Jack Warner thought they should have won the whole blooming tournament.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, then team captain David Nakhid later claimed that the local football body was actively trying to sabotage its own team in a bid to be rid of the no-nonsense Tobagonian.
At the 2000 Gold Cup, St Clair lost combative midfielder Ronnie Mauge to a broken leg in their group opener to Mexico, which they lost 4-0—T&T’s second largest defeat in the tournament.
Then, once they progressed to the knockout round, Warner claimed a deal with Manchester United and ordered Dwight Yorke to head back to England. By the semifinal round, forward Jerren Nixon was ruled out with an injury and Russell Latapy was hampered with a groin strain.
Yet, T&T defeated Guatemala and Costa Rica and came within a missed Nakhid penalty of their first ever showing at a Gold Cup final.
2. Otto Pfister: 6-4-0-2-11-4
Wins: 66 per cent; Losses: 34 per cent loss.
Pfister’s stay was short and not so sweet and is remembered largely for an embarrassing loss away to Guyana which meant that Trinidad and Tobago were eliminated from the World Cup qualifying series at the Caribbean stage for the first time since 1992.
Still, he did have four wins against, eh, Barbados (twice), Bermuda and Guyana.
3. Hutson ‘Barber’ Charles: 11-7-2-2-23-7
Wins: 64 win percent; Draws: 18 per cent; Losses: 18 per cent.
Charles and his assistant Derek King were joined by co-head coach, Jamaal Shabazz, midway through their spell in charge. True, their competitive games were all against Caribbean opposition. But then Charles had a largely local squad himself and it is often glossed over that it was during his tenure that Trinidad and Tobago ended a six year run without qualifying for the Concacaf Gold Cup.
But their aforementioned six match spell without a goal or a win convinced then TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee that help was needed and the local football promptly hired Canada-based coach, Stephen Hart.
4. Bertille St Clair (again!): 21-13-1-7-42-24
Wins: 61 per cent; Draws: 6 per cent; Losses: 33 per cent.
Tell us again why St Clair does not have a statue somewhere? Or a Hall of Fame induction? Or at least a plaque at the TTFA’s headquarters?
With National Senior Team players apparently unconvinced by incumbent Stuart Charles-Fevrier, Warner re-hired St Clair to have a last go at success with the country’s last ‘golden generation’ of Dwight Yorke, Russell Latapy, Shaka Hislop and Stern John.
He was, at the time, the only coach to take Trinidad and Tobago to a FIFA tournament after qualifying for the 1991 Under-20 World Cup, while he also had two Caribbean Cup titles and a Gold Cup semifinal finish under his belt.
His sequel was not as successful though. He failed to win the 2000 Caribbean Cup and, although his last game was a goalless home draw to Costa Rica in the 2006 World Cup qualifier, a freakish 5-1 loss away to Guatemala—three days earlier—meant curtains for the wily Tobagonian.
He did set the stage and gather the squad that would go on to qualify for Germany…
5. Hannibal Najjar: 5-3-0-2-6-4
Wins: 60 per cent; Losses: 40 per cent.
Najjar is often remembered for calling up 91 players to try out for the national team; and for being sacked on April Fools Day, after failing to qualify for the 2003 Gold Cup following a 3-1 loss to Cuba at the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium.
The fact that he only had five competitive outings—all against Caribbean opposition—might skew his final record too. But, in his defence, Najjar’s preparations were thrown into disarray when the core of his local squad went on strike for better conditions and were subsequently blacklisted.
Thus he was deprived of talent like Cornell Glen, Travis Mulraine, Kelvin Jack, Gary Glasgow, Keyeno Thomas, Lyndon Andrews, Cyd Gray, Brent Sancho and Arnold Dwarika.
6. Ian Porterfield: 22-13-3-6-44-24
Wins: 59 per cent; Draws: 14 percent; Losses: 27 per cent.
Porterfield had the rare fortune of taking over a winning team, as he inherited the squad that St Clair took to the Gold Cup semifinals. His five straight wins in the Concacaf World Cup semifinal round against Canada (twice), Panama (twice) and Mexico will take some beating too. Although his second string team lost 7-0 in Mexico City, Trinidad and Tobago topped a World Cup qualifying group including ‘El Tricolour’.
How good was Porterfield’s squad? Well, the strikers he had to choose from were: Dwight Yorke, Angus Eve, Stern John, Jerren Nixon, Arnold Dwarika, Peter Prosper, Nigel Pierre, Hector Sam, Gary Glasgow… You could probably blindfold yourself in a room with local players and probably find someone good enough to walk into a Scotland Premier League club.
But indiscipline eventually eroded T&T’s World Cup qualifying campaign and the late Scotsman was sacked after one point from their opening five games in the Hex. Not before Porterfield gave an international debut to a gangly utility player from Defence Force who started in central midfield but went on to have a fine career at centre back. His name was Dennis Lawrence.
7. Stephen Hart: 26-11-5-9-38-31
Wins: 44 per cent; Draws: 20 per cent; Losses: 36 per cent.
It is forgotten now that when Hart took over the reigns from Charles and Shabazz, giant forward Kenwyne Jones, then at Stoke City, was sometimes relegated to the substitutes’ bench behind Cornell Glen and Devorn Jorsling.
Hart changed that to good effect for the Warriors—although don’t expect Glen or Jorsling to applaud.
Trinidad and Tobago went on finish as quarterfinalists at successive Gold Cups in 2013 and 2015 and advanced to the Hex for the Russia 2018 World Cup, before John-Williams started walking on to his training pitch petitioning players to overrule their coach in deciding on friendly opponents.
In the end, three straight losses to Martinique (in extra time), Costa Rica and Honduras did for Hart—along with Kevin Molino’s fondness for breaking curfew—set the stage for an unhappy dinner at Ruby Tuesday when John-Williams showed him the door.
Hart only ever lost one competitive match in Trinidad and, three of his nine losses were on penalties and another in extra time. Take those away and his loss ratio drops from 36 to a mere 19 per cent.
8. Francisco Maturana: 17-7-6-4-26-22
Wins: 41 per cent; Draws: 36 per cent; Losses: 23 per cent.
The Colombian legend never did master English and it’s fair to say that his vision for the team was often lost in translation. Still, he did create an attractive young team with Keon Daniel and Khaleem Hyland excelling among his new recruits.
Maturana lost just one of eight home games. But three bad results in the Hex—draws to Honduras (home) and El Salvador (away) and a 3-0 loss to USA in Nashville—saw Warner swing the axe.
9. Russell Latapy: 13-5-1-7-20-22
Wins: 39 per cent; Draws: 7 per cent; Losses: 54 per cent.
Latapy’s loss record of 54 per cent is the fourth worst of any Trinidad and Tobago coach in this millennium. But he did muster a decent enough win total.
The highlight of his coaching tenure was a 2-2 draw against Mexico in Port of Spain, with the visitors already qualified and the hosts already eliminated. Otherwise there was no standout moment for Latapy—apart from Hayden Tinto’s stunning but temporary equaliser in a 2-1 loss to Mexico at the Azteca.
His last game in charge was a 1-0 win over Martinique at the 2010 Caribbean Cup but losses to Grenada (0-1) and Cuba (0-2) meant Trinidad and Tobago were already eliminated from the tournament at the group stage. And you tended not to survive embarrassing exits in those days.
10. Wim Rijsbergen: 8-3-2-3-15-11
Wins: 38 per cent, Draws: 24 per cent; Lost: 38 per cent.
The combustible Dutchman was allegedly fired for an off-field incident, after forcing an unscheduled wrestling contest on his technical director, Lincoln ‘Tiger’ Phillips. Presumably, Warner waited until he was out of the country to let him know his services would no longer be required.
On the field, Rijsbergen’s tenure was immediately thrown into disarray as the 2006 World Cup bonus dispute meant he never had his full squad for a competitive match. He lost to El Salvador (1-2) and USA (0-2) at the 2007 Gold Cup with a second string team.
11. Leo Beenhakker: 14-5-4-5-13-18
Wins: 35 per cent; Draws: 35 per cent; Losses: 30 per cent.
Beenhakker was okay, right? The ‘easiest’ opponent that the wily Dutchman coached against was Panama, which surely says something. He completed the job that St Clair started and had a memorable five game unbeaten streak against Panama (A) 1-0, Mexico (H) 1-0, Bahrain (H) 1-1, Bahrain (A) 1-0) and Sweden (N) 0-0, which would never be forgotten by those fortunate enough to live through it.
But for Peter Crouch’s cheeky tug of Brent Sancho’s hair in their 2006 World Cup group match, the Warriors had not conceded a goal in Germany and they even had a chance to get to the second round in their final group match. And all that with injury concerns with striker Cornell Glen, first choice central defender Marvin Andrews and goalkeeper Kelvin Jack and a first game red card to Avery John.
Although there are some who would never forgive him for not giving Russell Latapy more playing time—you can’t please everybody!
Beenhakker never lost a game in Trinidad.
12. Dennis Lawrence: 11-2-1-8-7-23
Wins: 18 per cent; Draws: 9 per cent; Losses: 73 per cent.
That 2-1 win over USA provoked 1,000 memes and had Trinidad and Tobago football fans walking with chests puffed out for months. But it was a rare shining moment in Lawrence’s tenure. In fact, he only won one other competitive game, which was his opening fixture against Panama back on 24 March 2017.
13. Rene Simoes: 6-1-1-4-3-9
Wins: 17 per cent; Draws: 17 per cent; Losses: 66 per cent.
Simoes talked a great game and he did have the glow of taking Jamaica to the France 1998 World Cup. But he never really got a grip on things after taking over from Porterfield.
His first act as head coach was to drop Latapy and Yorke for missing training while he cut Anthony Rougier, Reynold Carrington, Ancil Elcock and Dennis Lawrence for being ‘too old’—and this was four years before Lawrence scored the goal to take Trinidad and Tobago to the 2006 World Cup, mind you.
Simoes’ only competitive win was a freakish 1-0 result in Honduras when Trinidad and Tobago played for 70 minutes with 10 players, after midfielder Brent Rahim was ejected, and had the host team hit their post six times.
After a 1-1 draw with Costa Rica and 1-0 loss to Martinique at the 2002 Gold Cup, Warner just stopped paying Simoes, who got the hint.
14. Tom Saintfiet: 2-0-0-2-4-6
The TTFA technical committee decided it would not entertain any coach who had not coached an international team in the previous three years to replace Hart—a curious marker that ruled out not just Terry Fenwick but Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp. Their eventual four-man shortlist was ex-Japan coach Philippe Troussier, ex-Honduras World Cup coach Luis Fernando Suarez, ex-Colombia coach Eduardo Lara and Saintfiet, whose last coaching job was in Bangladesh.
John-Williams was asked to approach Troussier but came back and said Saintfiet was the man for him.
Saintfiet lost two games that saw the Warriors eliminated from the 2017 Gold Cup before announcing his resignation on Facebook, blasting John-Williams’ competency and telling Trinidad and Tobago that their only hope at getting to a World Cup might be in hockey.
Incidentally, Saintfiet’s both defeats were in extra time. Read into that what you will.
Editor’s Note: Stuart Charles-Fevrier never coached Trinidad and Tobago in a competitive match, so his stats were not included. But, for the record, his tally was: 8-2-3-3-8-11.
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The question should be. Will DJW be challenged at the next election. If he losses, there will be wholesome changes. If he wins, the status quo will prevail.
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The question should be. Will DJW be challenged at the next election. If he losses, there will be wholesome changes. If he wins, the status quo will prevail.
Correct. Coaches operate within frameworks set by the management team. Poor management will result in subpar/underperformance relative to expectations no matter who is coaching or playing.
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Who was T&T’s best and worst coach in this millennium? Wired868 uses stats to answer.
By Lasana Liburd (Wired868).
“At the end of the day, [Dennis Lawrence] does not have to put the ball behind the net and neither do I,” Trinidad and Tobago Football Association (TTFA) president David John-Williams told the Trinidad Guardian. “[Lawrence] is a professional and well-trained coach, who […] has coached at the highest level and I have a lot of faith in Dennis.”
John-Williams’ response to Trinidad and Tobago’s 6-0 loss to the United States in 2019 Concacaf Gold Cup action was a breathtakingly dismissive view of not only the current form of the Soca Warriors but the angst felt by supporters and football stakeholders.
If Lawrence—the person who selects, prepares, instructs and directly oversees the Men’s National Team—is not responsible for what happens on the field, then who is?
If John-Williams can find a sensible answer to that question, he ought to put it in a book. It might revolutionise the world of business management. But let’s stick with Lawrence for now.
There is no exact gauge for the length of time a coach needs to impart his philosophy on his squad. Some say six weeks, others six months and some as long as a year.
Lawrence’s lanky six foot seven frame has occupied the head coach’s chair since January 2017 and led the Warriors into action on 26 occasions during that period.
He has three unwanted records during that spell.
After openings wins over Barbados—albeit in a game unrecognised by FIFA, since Lawrence exceeded the number of permitted substitutes—and Panama, Lawrence was unlucky to lose 1-0 to Mexico at the Hasely Crawford Stadium in Port of Spain. Left flanker Joevin Jones had an attempt ruled out that VAR, were it available, would have surely upheld.
But after that result, Lawrence found he just could not stop losing. What followed was the longest run of successive losses in Trinidad and Tobago’s football history.
Between Thursday 8 June and Friday 6 October 2017, the Warriors lost seven games on a trot against United States (A) 0-2, Costa Rica (A) 1-2, Ecuador (A) 1-3, Jamaica (H) 1-2, Honduras (H) 1-2, Panama (A) 0-3 and Mexico (A) 1-3. (H = home match; N = neutral venue; A = away match).
That streak eclipsed a six-match losing spell between 1955 and 1957 when the Men’s National Senior Team did not even have a coach. Sonny Vincent-Brown was the manager but the captain on the day was responsible for picking the players and the tactics.
And, fresh after the international retirement of goalkeeper Joey Gonsalves and with ageing attacker Carlton ‘Squeaky’ Hinds well past his best, it is fair to say that T&T’s amateur players struggled to get those calculations right. But not for as long as Lawrence, though.
What happened next might have a profound impact on Lawrence’s immediate future.
A cocksure United States team came to Couva, made some disparaging remarks about the waterlogged track around the Ato Boldon Stadium and then went on to be stunned 2-1 in their final qualifying match—a result that had a seismic effect.
The United States had failed to qualify for a World Cup for the first time since 1986, Panama were through to their inaugural senior FIFA tournament and Alvin Jones’ stunning 30 yard strike was shown around the world.
Glossed over was the fact that Jones’ freakish item apart—he had never scored before for the Warriors and has not done so since—it was an own goal by American defender Omar Gonzales, which separated the two teams.
A month later, Lawrence could not get wins at home against Grenada and Guyana despite being virtually at full strength.
So was the US win a fluke?
Lawrence has plenty of time to answer that question, if John-Williams has his way. But, improbably, he has set two more unflattering records since then.
Trinidad and Tobago’s 6-0 loss to USA on Saturday 22 June 2019—in their first meeting since that fateful night in Couva—was the Warriors’ largest ever defeat in a Gold Cup match and their most lopsided result ever against the ‘Stars and Stripes’.
Less well known on the weekend was that Lawrence’s men had actually set an embarrassing mark at both ends. It was their seventh straight match without a goal, which is the longest barren ever since the TTFA’s first recorded international match in 1923.
The second longest spell without a goal came during the tenure of joint head coaches Hutson ‘Barber’ Charles and Jamaal Shabazz which lasted for six matches and comprised games against: Cuba (N) 0-1, Peru (H) 0-2, Belize (A) 0-0, Peru (A) 0-3, Romania (A) 0-4 and Estonia (A) 0-1 during a seven month spell.
Lawrence’s own barren run lasted nine months and included Thailand A (0-1), Iran A (0-1), Wales A (0-1), Japan A (0-0), Canada N (0-2), Panama N (0-2) and USA A (0-6).
At present, Lawrence is on a streak of eight matches without a win, which is the second longest in the professional era of the local game. He is one winless game behind his own record of nine matches, which he set between 8 March and 6 October 2017.
The only coach to have overseen a longer stretch without a victory was Roderick Warner, who was in charge for 12 winless matches between 3 March 1985 and 18 July 1985.
Then team captain Clayton ‘JB’ Morris said the players received a box of chicken chips and a soft drink for representing their country in those days; and he still remembers the response from staff member Richard Groden when they asked for a match fee:
“Allyuh getting a plane ride; what allyuh want again?”
To be fair to Warner (R), six of the 12 winless matches in that stretch were draws—as opposed to just two for Lawrence against Japan and Guyana.
Unflattering records apart, how does Lawrence’s actual win-loss ratio stand up?
Lawrence has steered the Warriors for 26 games with five wins, six draws and 15 losses; and 19 goals scored and 39 conceded. It means he has won 20 percent of his outings and lost 57 percent.
However, Wired868 will compare based on competitive matches. Some coaches played far more friendlies against weaker Caribbean opposition than others while friendly games are largely cosmetic anyway and count for about as little as a practice test.
So here, in order of best to worst, are the competitive records of Trinidad and Tobago’s 14 coaches since 2000, based on win percentages:
1. Bertille St Clair: 21-16-0-5-59-26 (tallied as wins-draws-losses-goals for-goals against)
Wins: 75 per cent; Losses: 25 percent.
St Clair’s run started with a 2-0 friendly win over Barbados on 2 July 1997 and ended with a 1-0 loss against Canada at the Concacaf Gold Cup semifinal on 24 February 2000 because, eh, then TTFF special advisor Jack Warner thought they should have won the whole blooming tournament.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, then team captain David Nakhid later claimed that the local football body was actively trying to sabotage its own team in a bid to be rid of the no-nonsense Tobagonian.
At the 2000 Gold Cup, St Clair lost combative midfielder Ronnie Mauge to a broken leg in their group opener to Mexico, which they lost 4-0—T&T’s second largest defeat in the tournament.
Then, once they progressed to the knockout round, Warner claimed a deal with Manchester United and ordered Dwight Yorke to head back to England. By the semifinal round, forward Jerren Nixon was ruled out with an injury and Russell Latapy was hampered with a groin strain.
Yet, T&T defeated Guatemala and Costa Rica and came within a missed Nakhid penalty of their first ever showing at a Gold Cup final.
2. Otto Pfister: 6-4-0-2-11-4
Wins: 66 per cent; Losses: 34 per cent loss.
Pfister’s stay was short and not so sweet and is remembered largely for an embarrassing loss away to Guyana which meant that Trinidad and Tobago were eliminated from the World Cup qualifying series at the Caribbean stage for the first time since 1992.
Still, he did have four wins against, eh, Barbados (twice), Bermuda and Guyana.
3. Hutson ‘Barber’ Charles: 11-7-2-2-23-7
Wins: 64 win percent; Draws: 18 per cent; Losses: 18 per cent.
Charles and his assistant Derek King were joined by co-head coach, Jamaal Shabazz, midway through their spell in charge. True, their competitive games were all against Caribbean opposition. But then Charles had a largely local squad himself and it is often glossed over that it was during his tenure that Trinidad and Tobago ended a six year run without qualifying for the Concacaf Gold Cup.
But their aforementioned six match spell without a goal or a win convinced then TTFA president Raymond Tim Kee that help was needed and the local football promptly hired Canada-based coach, Stephen Hart.
4. Bertille St Clair (again!): 21-13-1-7-42-24
Wins: 61 per cent; Draws: 6 per cent; Losses: 33 per cent.
Tell us again why St Clair does not have a statue somewhere? Or a Hall of Fame induction? Or at least a plaque at the TTFA’s headquarters?
With National Senior Team players apparently unconvinced by incumbent Stuart Charles-Fevrier, Warner re-hired St Clair to have a last go at success with the country’s last ‘golden generation’ of Dwight Yorke, Russell Latapy, Shaka Hislop and Stern John.
He was, at the time, the only coach to take Trinidad and Tobago to a FIFA tournament after qualifying for the 1991 Under-20 World Cup, while he also had two Caribbean Cup titles and a Gold Cup semifinal finish under his belt.
His sequel was not as successful though. He failed to win the 2000 Caribbean Cup and, although his last game was a goalless home draw to Costa Rica in the 2006 World Cup qualifier, a freakish 5-1 loss away to Guatemala—three days earlier—meant curtains for the wily Tobagonian.
He did set the stage and gather the squad that would go on to qualify for Germany…
5. Hannibal Najjar: 5-3-0-2-6-4
Wins: 60 per cent; Losses: 40 per cent.
Najjar is often remembered for calling up 91 players to try out for the national team; and for being sacked on April Fools Day, after failing to qualify for the 2003 Gold Cup following a 3-1 loss to Cuba at the Mannie Ramjohn Stadium.
The fact that he only had five competitive outings—all against Caribbean opposition—might skew his final record too. But, in his defence, Najjar’s preparations were thrown into disarray when the core of his local squad went on strike for better conditions and were subsequently blacklisted.
Thus he was deprived of talent like Cornell Glen, Travis Mulraine, Kelvin Jack, Gary Glasgow, Keyeno Thomas, Lyndon Andrews, Cyd Gray, Brent Sancho and Arnold Dwarika.
6. Ian Porterfield: 22-13-3-6-44-24
Wins: 59 per cent; Draws: 14 percent; Losses: 27 per cent.
Porterfield had the rare fortune of taking over a winning team, as he inherited the squad that St Clair took to the Gold Cup semifinals. His five straight wins in the Concacaf World Cup semifinal round against Canada (twice), Panama (twice) and Mexico will take some beating too. Although his second string team lost 7-0 in Mexico City, Trinidad and Tobago topped a World Cup qualifying group including ‘El Tricolour’.
How good was Porterfield’s squad? Well, the strikers he had to choose from were: Dwight Yorke, Angus Eve, Stern John, Jerren Nixon, Arnold Dwarika, Peter Prosper, Nigel Pierre, Hector Sam, Gary Glasgow… You could probably blindfold yourself in a room with local players and probably find someone good enough to walk into a Scotland Premier League club.
But indiscipline eventually eroded T&T’s World Cup qualifying campaign and the late Scotsman was sacked after one point from their opening five games in the Hex. Not before Porterfield gave an international debut to a gangly utility player from Defence Force who started in central midfield but went on to have a fine career at centre back. His name was Dennis Lawrence.
7. Stephen Hart: 26-11-5-9-38-31
Wins: 44 per cent; Draws: 20 per cent; Losses: 36 per cent.
It is forgotten now that when Hart took over the reigns from Charles and Shabazz, giant forward Kenwyne Jones, then at Stoke City, was sometimes relegated to the substitutes’ bench behind Cornell Glen and Devorn Jorsling.
Hart changed that to good effect for the Warriors—although don’t expect Glen or Jorsling to applaud.
Trinidad and Tobago went on finish as quarterfinalists at successive Gold Cups in 2013 and 2015 and advanced to the Hex for the Russia 2018 World Cup, before John-Williams started walking on to his training pitch petitioning players to overrule their coach in deciding on friendly opponents.
In the end, three straight losses to Martinique (in extra time), Costa Rica and Honduras did for Hart—along with Kevin Molino’s fondness for breaking curfew—set the stage for an unhappy dinner at Ruby Tuesday when John-Williams showed him the door.
Hart only ever lost one competitive match in Trinidad and, three of his nine losses were on penalties and another in extra time. Take those away and his loss ratio drops from 36 to a mere 19 per cent.
8. Francisco Maturana: 17-7-6-4-26-22
Wins: 41 per cent; Draws: 36 per cent; Losses: 23 per cent.
The Colombian legend never did master English and it’s fair to say that his vision for the team was often lost in translation. Still, he did create an attractive young team with Keon Daniel and Khaleem Hyland excelling among his new recruits.
Maturana lost just one of eight home games. But three bad results in the Hex—draws to Honduras (home) and El Salvador (away) and a 3-0 loss to USA in Nashville—saw Warner swing the axe.
9. Russell Latapy: 13-5-1-7-20-22
Wins: 39 per cent; Draws: 7 per cent; Losses: 54 per cent.
Latapy’s loss record of 54 per cent is the fourth worst of any Trinidad and Tobago coach in this millennium. But he did muster a decent enough win total.
The highlight of his coaching tenure was a 2-2 draw against Mexico in Port of Spain, with the visitors already qualified and the hosts already eliminated. Otherwise there was no standout moment for Latapy—apart from Hayden Tinto’s stunning but temporary equaliser in a 2-1 loss to Mexico at the Azteca.
His last game in charge was a 1-0 win over Martinique at the 2010 Caribbean Cup but losses to Grenada (0-1) and Cuba (0-2) meant Trinidad and Tobago were already eliminated from the tournament at the group stage. And you tended not to survive embarrassing exits in those days.
10. Wim Rijsbergen: 8-3-2-3-15-11
Wins: 38 per cent, Draws: 24 per cent; Lost: 38 per cent.
The combustible Dutchman was allegedly fired for an off-field incident, after forcing an unscheduled wrestling contest on his technical director, Lincoln ‘Tiger’ Phillips. Presumably, Warner waited until he was out of the country to let him know his services would no longer be required.
On the field, Rijsbergen’s tenure was immediately thrown into disarray as the 2006 World Cup bonus dispute meant he never had his full squad for a competitive match. He lost to El Salvador (1-2) and USA (0-2) at the 2007 Gold Cup with a second string team.
11. Leo Beenhakker: 14-5-4-5-13-18
Wins: 35 per cent; Draws: 35 per cent; Losses: 30 per cent.
Beenhakker was okay, right? The ‘easiest’ opponent that the wily Dutchman coached against was Panama, which surely says something. He completed the job that St Clair started and had a memorable five game unbeaten streak against Panama (A) 1-0, Mexico (H) 1-0, Bahrain (H) 1-1, Bahrain (A) 1-0) and Sweden (N) 0-0, which would never be forgotten by those fortunate enough to live through it.
But for Peter Crouch’s cheeky tug of Brent Sancho’s hair in their 2006 World Cup group match, the Warriors had not conceded a goal in Germany and they even had a chance to get to the second round in their final group match. And all that with injury concerns with striker Cornell Glen, first choice central defender Marvin Andrews and goalkeeper Kelvin Jack and a first game red card to Avery John.
Although there are some who would never forgive him for not giving Russell Latapy more playing time—you can’t please everybody!
Beenhakker never lost a game in Trinidad.
12. Dennis Lawrence: 11-2-1-8-7-23
Wins: 18 per cent; Draws: 9 per cent; Losses: 73 per cent.
That 2-1 win over USA provoked 1,000 memes and had Trinidad and Tobago football fans walking with chests puffed out for months. But it was a rare shining moment in Lawrence’s tenure. In fact, he only won one other competitive game, which was his opening fixture against Panama back on 24 March 2017.
13. Rene Simoes: 6-1-1-4-3-9
Wins: 17 per cent; Draws: 17 per cent; Losses: 66 per cent.
Simoes talked a great game and he did have the glow of taking Jamaica to the France 1998 World Cup. But he never really got a grip on things after taking over from Porterfield.
His first act as head coach was to drop Latapy and Yorke for missing training while he cut Anthony Rougier, Reynold Carrington, Ancil Elcock and Dennis Lawrence for being ‘too old’—and this was four years before Lawrence scored the goal to take Trinidad and Tobago to the 2006 World Cup, mind you.
Simoes’ only competitive win was a freakish 1-0 result in Honduras when Trinidad and Tobago played for 70 minutes with 10 players, after midfielder Brent Rahim was ejected, and had the host team hit their post six times.
After a 1-1 draw with Costa Rica and 1-0 loss to Martinique at the 2002 Gold Cup, Warner just stopped paying Simoes, who got the hint.
14. Tom Saintfiet: 2-0-0-2-4-6
The TTFA technical committee decided it would not entertain any coach who had not coached an international team in the previous three years to replace Hart—a curious marker that ruled out not just Terry Fenwick but Pep Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp. Their eventual four-man shortlist was ex-Japan coach Philippe Troussier, ex-Honduras World Cup coach Luis Fernando Suarez, ex-Colombia coach Eduardo Lara and Saintfiet, whose last coaching job was in Bangladesh.
John-Williams was asked to approach Troussier but came back and said Saintfiet was the man for him.
Saintfiet lost two games that saw the Warriors eliminated from the 2017 Gold Cup before announcing his resignation on Facebook, blasting John-Williams’ competency and telling Trinidad and Tobago that their only hope at getting to a World Cup might be in hockey.
Incidentally, Saintfiet’s both defeats were in extra time. Read into that what you will.
Editor’s Note: Stuart Charles-Fevrier never coached Trinidad and Tobago in a competitive match, so his stats were not included. But, for the record, his tally was: 8-2-3-3-8-11.
This has to be 1 the biggest bunch of garbage I have ever read in my life.
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So you decide to quote the whole thing??? Steups.
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This has to be 1 the biggest bunch of garbage I have ever read in my life.
How so ?
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This has to be 1 the biggest bunch of garbage I have ever read in my life.
How so ?
Yeah ffisback, how so?
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Since I have been watching TT football I have never seen a coach that conceded more goals than B ST Clair and to see he is the most successful coach in the millennium for TT shows me this guys system is totally flawed.
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You not very bright are you?
However, Wired868 will compare based on competitive matches. Some coaches played far more friendlies against weaker Caribbean opposition than others while friendly games are largely cosmetic anyway and count for about as little as a practice test.
It is an exercise in statistics. He lays out statistics and facts that are irrefutable for the readers consideration. So to say it is a bunch of garbage... Is actually a bunch of garbage. But I guess we live in a post truth alternate facts age. Go figure.
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You not very bright are you?
However, Wired868 will compare based on competitive matches. Some coaches played far more friendlies against weaker Caribbean opposition than others while friendly games are largely cosmetic anyway and count for about as little as a practice test.
It is an exercise in statistics. He lays out statistics and facts that are irrefutable for the readers consideration. So to say it is a bunch of garbage... Is actually a bunch of garbage. But I guess we live in a post truth alternate facts age. Go figure.
You talking a bunch of garbage to.
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Bertille St Clair: 21-16-0-5-59-26 (tallied as wins-draws-losses-goals for-goals against)
Let's read and comprehend. I am reading this as 21 wins 16 ties 5 defeats 59 goals-for 26 goals-against. What is the 0 for. I can't be 0 losses under Bertille. Is either I can't comprehend or something outa wack with that table.
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Bertille St Clair: 21-16-0-5-59-26 (tallied as wins-draws-losses-goals for-goals against)
Let's read and comprehend. I am reading this as 21 wins 16 ties 5 defeats 59 goals-for 26 goals-against. What is the 0 for. I can't be 0 losses under Bertille. Is either I can't comprehend or something outa wack with that table.
deeks it seems to me that it’s 21 games total, 16 wins 0 draws and 5 defeats 59 goals for 26 goals conceded. I could be wrong but I doubt it.
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Agreed.
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Bertille St Clair: 21-16-0-5-59-26 (tallied as wins-draws-losses-goals for-goals against)
Let's read and comprehend. I am reading this as 21 wins 16 ties 5 defeats 59 goals-for 26 goals-against. What is the 0 for. I can't be 0 losses under Bertille. Is either I can't comprehend or something outa wack with that table.
deeks it seems to me that it’s 21 games total, 16 wins 0 draws and 5 defeats 59 goals for 26 goals conceded. I could be wrong but I doubt it.
Yes that's the stat. The first figure is total games played so 21=16+0+5.
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Ok. Ok. Then Bertille had a good record according to the stats. I knew we lost in a semi-final to Canada int GoldCup under him. But he got fired. But DL will not get fired, unless we keep on losing. DJW has to go. Contro, Colin Murray, Kelvin Jack, 1%, whey allyuh.
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Ok. Ok. Then Bertille had a good record according to the stats. I knew we lost in a semi-final to Canada int GoldCup under him. But he got fired. But DL will not get fired, unless we keep on losing. DJW has to go. Contro, Colin Murray, Kelvin Jack, 1%, whey allyuh.
A good portion of the stakeholders are in the dictators pocket, so it’s a bidding war and tallest is being paid by fifa subventions...
It’s deliberate and they want it like that, even if you offered twice the amount, they will stay loyal to the dictator
It will take a little more than money to get rid of him
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Coaches queue up for Lawrence’s job.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).
Trinidad and Tobago Football Association technical committee chairman Keith Look Loy is promising a replacement for sacked national football coach Dennis Lawrence by Friday.
And whoever gets the job will have a mandate to take the country to the 2021 CONCACAF Gold Cup via the June 2020 CONCACAF playoff against the winner between Barbados and Guyana, who play in March.
Lawrence, whose dismal record at the helm of the Soca Warriors during World Cup qualifiers, CONCACAF Gold Cup and other international friendly matches for the past three years, led to the TTFA board of directors opting to terminate his services at a meeting on Saturday.
Guardian Media Sports understands that Lawrence has since expressed his displeasure with how his firing took place.
Yesterday, however, Look Loy said the TTFA has already been swamped by applications from men seeking to fill the vacancy.
“The association has since been bombarded with interests from coaches from Europe, South America and right here locally to pick up coaching duties with the country’s junior and senior teams. The committee is currently in the process of looking at them before a choice can be made, given the association’s financial limitations, but also the quality of the candidates,” Look Loy told Guardian Media Sports.
But Look Loy gave the assurance that the selection will not be based purely on qualifications.
He said there were the issues of finances and immediacy of filling the vacancy, which means that the selected coach must be willing to come here at a moment’s notice and lay down his programme. However, he made it clear that although there is an issue of finances, he has always been firm in the view that the country should get the best coach they can afford.
He said he believes for the first 2020 FIFA window in March, the new coach must have laid plans down which should include at least two international friendly matches. He said the TTFA has already been approached by several international match agents with offers for 2020 engagements.
Meanwhile, Central FC owner and managing director Brent Sancho, who played with Lawrence on the 2006 team that qualified for the World Cup in Germany, has supported the decision to replace Lawrence, saying while the former coach faced numerous challenges, it was difficult to defend the string of 14 winless matches by the Soca Warriors in the latter part of his tenure.
“The country has never really gotten the opportunity to experience Lawrence’s true talent because the playing field was not levelled. For instance, he faced challenges of an ageing talent pool, players returning for matches a day before key matches, etcetera. I think it is unfortunate for Lawrence, but that’s the nature of the sport,” Sancho said.
Sancho said he is hoping the new coach will be someone with extensive international experience and qualifications who will understand the situation he is entering.
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Lawrence displeased?? But this man ent easy at all :cursing:
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Lawrence displeased?? But this man ent easy at all :cursing:
Probably preferred in-person eye to eye versus taking the phone call. Form over substance.
But yeah, my reaction was along the lines of yours.
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He got a phone call wha else he want ..... In the past coaches learned of their dismissal through the media eg bertille st clair heard his own on the radio while conducting a training session with the NT.
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Dignity is for the dignified. He have no shame
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Dignity is for the dignified. He have no shame
:beermug:
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Dignity is for the dignified. He have no shame
he also has no clue.
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Coaches queue up for Lawrence’s job.
By Walter Alibey (Guardian).
Trinidad and Tobago Football Association technical committee chairman Keith Look Loy is promising a replacement for sacked national football coach Dennis Lawrence by Friday.
And whoever gets the job will have a mandate to take the country to the 2021 CONCACAF Gold Cup via the June 2020 CONCACAF playoff against the winner between Barbados and Guyana, who play in March.
Lawrence, whose dismal record at the helm of the Soca Warriors during World Cup qualifiers, CONCACAF Gold Cup and other international friendly matches for the past three years, led to the TTFA board of directors opting to terminate his services at a meeting on Saturday.
Guardian Media Sports understands that Lawrence has since expressed his displeasure with how his firing took place.
Yesterday, however, Look Loy said the TTFA has already been swamped by applications from men seeking to fill the vacancy.
“The association has since been bombarded with interests from coaches from Europe, South America and right here locally to pick up coaching duties with the country’s junior and senior teams. The committee is currently in the process of looking at them before a choice can be made, given the association’s financial limitations, but also the quality of the candidates,” Look Loy told Guardian Media Sports.
But Look Loy gave the assurance that the selection will not be based purely on qualifications.
He said there were the issues of finances and immediacy of filling the vacancy, which means that the selected coach must be willing to come here at a moment’s notice and lay down his programme. However, he made it clear that although there is an issue of finances, he has always been firm in the view that the country should get the best coach they can afford.
He said he believes for the first 2020 FIFA window in March, the new coach must have laid plans down which should include at least two international friendly matches. He said the TTFA has already been approached by several international match agents with offers for 2020 engagements.
Meanwhile, Central FC owner and managing director Brent Sancho, who played with Lawrence on the 2006 team that qualified for the World Cup in Germany, has supported the decision to replace Lawrence, saying while the former coach faced numerous challenges, it was difficult to defend the string of 14 winless matches by the Soca Warriors in the latter part of his tenure.
“The country has never really gotten the opportunity to experience Lawrence’s true talent because the playing field was not levelled. For instance, he faced challenges of an ageing talent pool, players returning for matches a day before key matches, etcetera. I think it is unfortunate for Lawrence, but that’s the nature of the sport,” Sancho said.
Sancho said he is hoping the new coach will be someone with extensive international experience and qualifications who will understand the situation he is entering.
Any inside info on names outside the usual suspects?
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Tom Saintfiet: Hello! TTFA? Is it true, de dictator has been toppled? Whaaaat? I dey! What? Anil who? What? Slow meh roll? What? Short-term wuk? What? Gold Cup playoff? What? Guyana or Barbados? What? By Friday? Who is DL? Belgium? I am Belgian. Is this the TTFA or the Belgian FA? Either way AH READY! Yeah, slowing meh roll.
What? Yeah, ah know the introduction press conference routine. Ah affordable and cheap and perform or lose de wuk. Second choice. What? Williams and Cyrus still dey? Approaching retirement? Ok, ah geh yuh. Ah go handle dem "Odouls drinkers".
What? No double-header friendlies and none against Nicaragua or Anguilla? What? FIFA rankings? What? There will be home games? :wavetowel:
What? What ah doing? Ah in a Uber on de way to de airport, my 'go' bag always packed nah ... yuh know ah like meh midnight resignations. What? Doh call allyuh, allyuh will call me? So ... what to tell de driver? Ah go take it here? What? Tell him to pick up who? Meh physio? What disres...? No usual suspects? ??? See allyuh in court. Allyuh paying fuh meh Uber. Oy, text me de Lawrence fella number nah. What? He doh like phone calls? Ok, ok. Ah will have Gambia text him, ah have a flight to Brussels to ketch.
Under his breath as he hangs up: "Friggin Trinis!"
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I'm hoping for more than a bargain-bucket manager from the "also-rans" of African and Asian football.
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I am sorry to see Dennis Lawrence go. He was a nice guy. I am Thankful for his services. He was the man who put the USA out of the World Cup.
I don't believe that there is an active local Coach who would have any success with the National Senior team.
Trinidad and Tobago football is at an all time low. This lowpoint is a reflection of the overall poor state of football in the twin island Republic. There aren't any real developmental programs/academies/Coaching Schools. The Coaches are marooned on the island; they don't get a chance to leave and go to a developed nation to see something different. Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, are great places to go learn how to run a youth program.
The football is stuck in the 18th century..Colleges league is the most important league...the players are mediocre at best.
Football was at it's highest in the 60's and the 80's. The elements which made the football of that Golden era
were never identified so nobody knows what it takes to produce another Latapy or Dwight Yorke..we will never produce another player of their quality under the current culture.
So in closing I say again ..There is no active Coach foreign or domestic who is currently living on those islands has the ability, knowledge or know how.. can bring any success to any National program..the football and the football culture is in the 18th century.
Jah Bless
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I am sorry to see Dennis Lawrence go. He was a nice guy. I am Thankful for his services. He was the man who put the USA out of the World Cup.
He wasn't solely responsible, he just contributed to the effort. Two other things had to happen, Panama had to beat Costa Rica and Honduras had to beat Mexico. In the case of Panama, one of the goals they "scored" was not even a goal. So basically it was a perfect storm that eliminated the USA.
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Tallman all I remember is that Dennis Lawrence was at the helm and Trinidad and Tobago soundly beat the USA..the score was 2-1.
Thank You Dennis Lawrence ! You put the USA out the World Cup. Costa Rica and Mexico had already qualified and they want to see the US suffer so they did their due diligence.
Big up Dennis Lawrence..If the TTFA wanted to improve football in Trinidad and Tobago they would have hired him to set up a proper Youth Development program.
And Mr Tallman why you and boys like to keep puttin lipstick on pig?
Go to the source of the problem ..Colleges league can't develop players..the clubs are no clubs at all and the leagues have no real value to them..so tell me how any Coach can put forth a National Team which can compete in today's football arena?
I am sorry for Football in the twin island Republic
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Tallman all I remember is that Dennis Lawrence was at the helm and Trinidad and Tobago soundly beat the USA..the score was 2-1.
Thank You Dennis Lawrence ! You put the USA out the World Cup. Costa Rica and Mexico had already qualified and they want to see the US suffer so they did their due diligence.
Big up Dennis Lawrence..If the TTFA wanted to improve football in Trinidad and Tobago they would have hired him to set up a proper Youth Development program.
And Mr Tallman why you and boys like to keep puttin lipstick on pig?
Go to the source of the problem ..Colleges league can't develop players..the clubs are no clubs at all and the leagues have no real value to them..so tell me how any Coach can put forth a National Team which can compete in today's football arena?
I am sorry for Football in the twin island Republic
Coache, I agree with you, and I’m sure I can speak for all/99% of our fellow forum members, yes, our development program is almost non-existent. HOWEVER, this is not today’s breaking news. It has been this way for as long as I can remember.
Under Hart though, most recently, we were competing. We had a cohesive unit. We had a Concacaf powerhouse on the back peddle, mexico was nervous. All those factors you mentioned...well I say, yes, BUT...our senior men’s team was still able.
Now that being said...let’s say for example, we get a caliber coach of Don Leo...he puts his team together and next thing we in the GC...I wouldn’t call that a fluke. I’d call it...proper coaching, proper use of players, philosophy etc. something Dennis could not/would not have accomplished.
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Fenwick is a good short term solution based on his extensive coaching experience in Trinidad. TTFA should not rush into handing out a long term contract.
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Guys, for 2006 WC, did Don Leo came before the Hex or during the Hex?
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Fenwick is a good short term solution based on his extensive coaching experience in Trinidad. TTFA should not rush into handing out a long term contract.
Last time Fenwick was not interested in a short-term contract. However, that was understandable then. Today the rules of the road have changed and a short-term contract with short-term achievement targets is the sensible order of the day.
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Guys, for 2006 WC, did Don Leo came before the Hex or during the Hex?
During
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Guys, for 2006 WC, did Don Leo came before the Hex or during the Hex?
During
Sometimes we have to put a foreign coach tenure into context at the time. Beenie did not do any developmental as far as I can remember. What was going to happen or planned when he leaves was the other Dutch coaches(Wim Risbergen) together with Lincoln and other local coaches would do the development under the Dutch football model. Well that did not worked. The players had strike when Jack did not give them their money, and Lincoln and Wim got in a near blows situation. Correct me on that.
We were back to square one on development once again.
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Guys, for 2006 WC, did Don Leo came before the Hex or during the Hex?
During
Sometimes we have to put a foreign coach tenure into context at the time. Beenie did not do any developmental as far as I can remember. What was going to happen or planned when he leaves was the other Dutch coaches(Wim Risbergen) together with Lincoln and other local coaches would do the development under the Dutch football model. Well that did not worked. The players had strike when Jack did not give them their money, and Lincoln and Wim got in a near blows situation. Correct me on that.
We were back to square one on development once again.
Yup
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New administration ..same khaki pants..Lok Loy back again..this thing is a revolving door.. the same people just jumping in and jumping out
Senior Team Coach is important to them because the senior team makes money for them.
They don't want to put any money neither any time into youth development.
They will run up bills and debt..get the tax payers to foot the bills..business as usual..the people on this board were put here by them to maintain the status quo.
If allyuh love Trinidad and Tobago Football so much why not push for proper youth development?
Why not push for Coaching education?
Big up to the last administration for laying down a physical foundation so that these things can be facilitated.
Allyuh just want to see the National Team hold their end against Mexico and the USA in the Gold Cup..
that is so low achieving, mediocre and short sighted.
You have men here who went to Pres, Naps, St Mary's and all the brainious institutions and you go on and on about your infinite knowledge of all things football ..yet not able to set your compass to point in the right direction without being distracted.
This iodiocy must stop! I am fed up of coming on this site every five years to continue the same conversations with the SAME train of thought ..is there no one on this board who has changed his views or upgraded his thought process in the last five years? If you are thinking the same things the same way as you did five years ago ..something is not right..we have to grow not remain stagnant.
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coache, i don't know what to say, but almost all countries select the senior men coach first. How else would they do it ? As you know, Fenwick was select as the new MNT coach. And this part on youth football is taken from the Guardian.
It is understood that Fenwick’s support staff will also be deployed with other T&T youth teams as a cost-cutting measure by the TTFA.
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Big up to the last administration for laying down a physical foundation so that these things can be facilitated.
This the same last administration where T&T youth teams get beat at unprecedented levels in youth tournaments, regardless of age group, throughout it's tenure?
Or you using the term "last administration" literally?
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I think that Fenwick may be a good choice.....
Well let's see if this prophetic - the jury still out
Could we assess a coach on training sessions?😊
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Might as well start talking it up
Me eh sure we even have a team to beat anyone in out group
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Rember when....,.
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Here is a list of all the coaches were have had since independence. Hart is one of the very few to last over 2 years. Bertille is the other. The list has 3 yr gap. 1981, 1982, 1983. Anyone able to fill the gap?.
George Chambers (1964)
Amerigo Brunner (1965–1966)
Conrad Braithwaite (1965–1967)
Michael Laing (1968)
Trevor Smith (1969)
Kevin Verity (1972–1973)
Rudi Gutendorf (1976)
Edgar Vidale (1976)
Alvin Corneal (1980)
Kenneth Butcher (1980)
Roderick Warner (1984–1985)
Everald Cummings (1988–1989)
Kenwyn Cooper (1989)
Alvin Corneal (1990)
Edgar Vidale (1990–1991)
Muhammad Isa (1992)
Clóvis de Oliviera (1992)
Everald Cummings (1993)
Kenny Joseph (1994)
Zoran Vraneš (1994–1995)
Jochen Figge (1995)
Kenny Joseph (1996)
Sebastian de Araújo (1996)
Edgar Vidale (1997)
Bertille St. Clair (1997–2000)
Ian Porterfield (2000–2001)
René Simões (2001–2002)
Clayton Morris (2002)
Hannibal Najjar (2002–2003)
Zoran Vraneš (2003
Stuart Charles-Fevrier (2003)
Ron La Forest (2004)
Bertille St. Clair (2004–2005)
Leo Beenhakker (2005–2006)
Wim Rijsbergen (2006–2007)
Anton Corneal (2008)
Francisco Maturana (2008–2009)
Russell Latapy (2009–2011)
Otto Pfister (2011–2012)
Hutson Charles (2012–2013)
Jamaal Shabazz (2012–2013)
Stephen Hart (2013–2016)
Tom Saintfiet (2016–2017)
Time to update this list? Anything official?
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Here is a list of all the coaches were have had since independence. Hart is one of the very few to last over 2 years. Bertille is the other. The list has 3 yr gap. 1981, 1982, 1983. Anyone able to fill the gap?.
George Chambers (1964)
Amerigo Brunner (1965–1966)
Conrad Braithwaite (1965–1967)
Michael Laing (1968)
Trevor Smith (1969)
Kevin Verity (1972–1973)
Rudi Gutendorf (1976)
Edgar Vidale (1976)
Alvin Corneal (1980)
Kenneth Butcher (1980)
Roderick Warner (1984–1985)
Everald Cummings (1988–1989)
Kenwyn Cooper (1989)
Alvin Corneal (1990)
Edgar Vidale (1990–1991)
Muhammad Isa (1992)
Clóvis de Oliviera (1992)
Everald Cummings (1993)
Kenny Joseph (1994)
Zoran Vraneš (1994–1995)
Jochen Figge (1995)
Kenny Joseph (1996)
Sebastian de Araújo (1996)
Edgar Vidale (1997)
Bertille St. Clair (1997–2000)
Ian Porterfield (2000–2001)
René Simões (2001–2002)
Clayton Morris (2002)
Hannibal Najjar (2002–2003)
Zoran Vraneš (2003
Stuart Charles-Fevrier (2003)
Ron La Forest (2004)
Bertille St. Clair (2004–2005)
Leo Beenhakker (2005–2006)
Wim Rijsbergen (2006–2007)
Anton Corneal (2008)
Francisco Maturana (2008–2009)
Russell Latapy (2009–2011)
Otto Pfister (2011–2012)
Hutson Charles (2012–2013)
Jamaal Shabazz (2012–2013)
Stephen Hart (2013–2016)
Tom Saintfiet (2016–2017)
Time to update this list? Anything official?
Guys, as we acknowledged that this list is subject to correction. So when the Shell Cup started(maybe 79 or 80). can't remember. But I remember TT played French Guiana in the Oval and lost the first leg. Jimmy Blanc( I am almost sure) was hire to coach the team for the return leg in Cayenne. TT won the 2nd leg 4-2 or 5-2 to advance. On return to TT Jimmy was released. He was not given the chance to coach the team for the Shell Cup tournament. I am almost sure this happened. Asylum, TallMan, Flex could you guys verify this.
George Chambers (1964)
Amerigo Brunner (1965–1966)
Conrad Braithwaite (1965–1967)
Michael Laing (1968)
Trevor Smith (1969)
Kevin Verity (1972–1973)
Rudi Gutendorf (1976)
Edgar Vidale (1976)
Alvin Corneal (1980)
Kenneth Butcher (1980)
Roderick Warner (1984–1985)
Everald Cummings (1988–1989)
Kenwyn Cooper (1989)
Alvin Corneal (1990)
Edgar Vidale (1990–1991)
Muhammad Isa (1992)
Clóvis de Oliviera (1992)
Everald Cummings (1993)
Kenny Joseph (1994)
Zoran Vraneš (1994–1995)
Jochen Figge (1995)
Kenny Joseph (1996)
Sebastian de Araújo (1996)
Edgar Vidale (1997)
Bertille St. Clair (1997–2000)
Ian Porterfield (2000–2001)
René Simões (2001–2002)
Clayton Morris (2002)
Hannibal Najjar (2002–2003)
Zoran Vraneš (2003
Stuart Charles-Fevrier (2003)
Ron La Forest (2004)
Bertille St. Clair (2004–2005)
Leo Beenhakker (2005–2006)
Wim Rijsbergen (2006–2007)
Anton Corneal (2008)
Francisco Maturana (2008–2009)
Russell Latapy (2009–2011)
Otto Pfister (2011–2012)
Hutson Charles (2012–2013)
Jamaal Shabazz (2012–2013)
Stephen Hart (2013–2016)
Tom Saintfiet (2016–2017)
Dennis Lawrence
Terry Fenwick
Angus Eve
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Another big coach ?
Kyle Lavince Lightbourne
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Edgar Vidale get quite a few runs bai.
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Edgar Vidale get quite a few runs bai.
Edgar was one of the few local coaches to get good performance out of the national team outside of TT. The 74 CAC team won silver. Should have been gold. He and Ken Henry were assistants to Kevin Verity who coached the 74 WC team. He brought quite a few youths, especially from South on the team. Steve Khan, Ray Moraldo, Sydney Augustine, Spann, Peter Mitchell(Who played well in that tournament). His winning goal knocked out Mexico. He even gave Oscar Durity a chance at making the team. Can't remember how many games he played. Edgar did spend time in Germany doing a football course. So Edgar Vidale name should be on the list for 1974 also.
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Spear ah thought for Latapy, I was half hoping to see dat Barbados did get a couple red card but whey boy :-[ :-[ :-\
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Spear ah thought for Latapy, I was half hoping to see dat Barbados did get a couple red card but whey boy :-[ :-[ :-\
Barbados faced two hurricanes yesterday. One on the island and one on Florida.
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Spear ah thought for Latapy, I was half hoping to see dat Barbados did get a couple red card but whey boy :-[ :-[ :-\
Barbados faced two hurricanes yesterday. One on the island and one on Florida.
ok yeah ah could see dat being a contributing factor
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Spear ah thought for Latapy, I was half hoping to see dat Barbados did get a couple red card but whey boy :-[ :-[ :-\
Barbados faced two hurricanes yesterday. One on the island and one on Florida.
ok yeah ah could see dat being a contributing factor
That wasn't offered as an excuse for Barbados eh ... more as a metaphor.
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I read it was visa issues. Many key guys missing.
Bermuda and Montserrat are the two teams that have improved tremendously during Nations League and WCQ. But damn, Bermuda really handed it to the Bims.
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I read it was visa issues. Many key guys missing.
Bermuda and Montserrat are the two teams that have improved tremendously during Nations League and WCQ. But damn, Bermuda really handed it to the Bims.
Bermuda, like TT is also an up and down team. Some years they are quite good and others they are way in the doldrums. Ever since they beat TT in the 67 PanAm, I never take them lightly. Also in a CAC games they knocked us out in a 1/4 final. Even in their doldrum years show respect.