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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 06, 2008, 05:35:20 AM
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England v Switzerland
Date: Wednesday, 6 February
Kick-off: 2000 GMT
Venue: Wembley Stadium
BBC Coverage: Live on BBC One, Radio 5 Live and the BBC Sport website
FSC @4pm TT Time and at 12am Re-broadcast
Michael Owen is expected to miss out on a place in England boss Fabio Capello's starting line-up for the Italian's first match in charge on Wednesday.
The striker is set for a place on the bench for the game against Switzerland.
Capello had Joe Cole operating behind Wayne Rooney up front in his final training session on Tuesday.
Matthew Upson joined Rio Ferdinand in central defence, with David Bentley and Ashley Young alongside Owen Hargreaves and Steven Gerrard in midfield.
David James was in goal while the two full-backs were Wes Brown and Ashley Cole.
Should that team start the friendly against the Swiss, that would mean nine changes to the side beaten by Croatia in Steve McClaren's last game at the helm.
Only Gerrard and Joe Cole would remain from the team that lost 3-2 at Wembley on 21 November.
Capello has vowed not to tell his players who is in the team until shortly before they leave their hotel for Wembley on Wednesday afternoon.
Whoever is chosen, Sir Trevor Brooking thinks places will remain up for grabs under the new coaching regime.
"There are going to be very, very few automatic choices," the Football Association's development director told BBC Radio 5 Live.
"If you play well, then you could force your way into Capello's starting XI. If you deliver for him, then he'll support you.
"He will really change it around. He wants to look at people. He just wants to develop this winning mentality."
Newcastle star Owen, who has scored 40 goals in 88 appearances for his country, has only just returned to first-team action after a succession of injuries.
Young, 22, would be making only his second appearance for the England senior team but he has enjoyed an impressive season with Aston Villa.
He would start in the left side of midfield, with 23-year-old Bentley on the right.
The Blackburn Rovers player, who has played twice for England, has long been tipped to fill a role that David Beckham had been hoping to occupy.
But new boss Capello decided the Los Angeles Galaxy midfielder would have to wait until he was fully match fit before being given the chance to win his 100th cap.
James appears to have beaten off competition from Villa's Scott Carson and Wigan's Chris Kirkland to start in goal.
The 37-year-old, who has been in tremendous form for Portsmouth this season, will be earning his 36th cap.
In front of him, Upson would be making his first England appearance since coming on a substitute in the 1-0 defeat by Spain in Madrid on 17 November 2004.
And Manchester United's Wes Brown looks to have landed the right-back berth ahead of Micah Richards.
Expected team: David James (Portsmouth), Wes Brown (Manchester United), Rio Ferdinand (Manchester United), Matthew Upson (West Ham), Ashley Cole (Chelsea); David Bentley (Blackburn), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Owen Hargreaves (Manchester United), Ashley Young (Aston Villa); Joe Cole (Chelsea), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/7229823.stm
England v Switzerland preview
Capello's Italian Job begins at Wembley
Fabio Capello has been touted as the man to save English football and the rescue mission begins against Switzerland at Wembley on Wednesday.
With England in the doldrums following the failure to qualify for the finals of Euro 2008, the Football Association have opted to implement their very own Italian Job.
And the astute Capello - who has been quick to point out he is no footballing 'Messiah' - will be well aware that his new dawn hangs in the balance in a not totally dissimilar manner to a teetering scene from the Alpine cliff tops high above Turin.
The footballing critics will be quick to pounce upon any misjudgement of balance from Capello and the former Milan, Roma, Juventus and Real Madrid boss will be eager to inform his lads of a 'great idea' to tip the equilibrium in his favour.
Owen out
Known to be a tough taskmaster and recognised for a refusal to acknowledge sentiment, as David Beckham will testify, Capello is unlikely to pull any punches in his team selection.
Michael Owen is expected to be the most high-profile of Capello cuts as the Newcastle striker pays the price for an injury-stricken season and finds himself warming a seat on the substitutes' bench.
That is likely to leave Wayne Rooney as Capello's point man in attack with Joe Cole floating just behind as England attempt to pick the lock of the Swiss defence.
Steven Gerrard has been named as Capello's captain and the Liverpool skipper is predicted to be given a licence to roam as he is accompanied by the holding Owen Hargreaves in the centre of midfield.
Bentley start
It is understood Aston Villa's Ashley Young will be rewarded for his fine form this season with a second international cap as he slots in to the left wing, while David Bentley - often a target for the England boo-boys - will get the nod on the right.
Manchester United's Wes Brown is ready to drop in behind Bentley on the right of defence with club colleague Rio Ferdinand partnered by West Ham's Matthew Upson in the heart of the back four.
Chelsea's Ashley Cole will be trusted with the left-back slot, while Capello opts for experience in goal as 37-year-old Portsmouth shot-stopper David James is preferred to Scott Carson and Chris Kirkland.
However, Switzerland cannot be dismissed and they will be desperate to sabotage Capello's scheme.
Kobi Kuhn favours a counter-attacking style, but the Switzerland coach is without regular strike pair Alex Frei and Marco Streller through injury which is likely to mean teenage forward Eren Derdiyok plays some part.
http://www.skysports.com/football/match_preview/0,19764,11065_2927259,00.html
I would have gone with Richards instead of Brown at RB... Good side nonetheless
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why gerrard wearing #10?
yeah he good he does fight hard in d middle he have a wcked bullet buh armmmmmm no, he doesnt have the magic of a number 10 stevie please desist from this want2be behaviour right now ...............shucks man
game so far is ah cat fight nil all after 20 mns
Michael Owen has been left out of Fabio Capello's first England line-up. The Italian has elected to play Wayne Rooney as a lone striker with Joe Cole just behind. Jermaine Jenas, Steven Gerrard and Gareth Barry start in midfield while David Bentley is on the right wing. David James is in goal and Matthew Upson pairs Rio Ferdinand in central defence with Ashley Cole and Wes Brown as full backs.
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What you expect is England playing, anyone can wear number 10 on dat side if they make it. ;D
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Jenas Score for England 1 : 0
Big Up!
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Making note that a black player scored England's first goal in the new regime ;D
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joe #10 cole ::) nice skill 2 puut d defender on he bamcee
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Goalllll in england tail :rotfl:
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Swiss Equalizer in the 58'....1 : 1
Big Up!
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Goal England!
SWP off a nice flick from Gerrard 2:1 England in the 62'
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SWP made it 2:1 for Eng
Big Up!
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SWP made it 2:1 for Eng
Big Up!
Yeah Gary Coleman score ;D
2 goals by 2 black men... was about time England stop that favoritism thing... Good bye Owen....
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What favouritism ting?
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lol I doh feel england have no favoritism thing going except certain coaches have players they like is not like back in the time of barnes I mean for crying out loud cole , ferdinand, brown, james all black men cmon boys lets think before we talk nah ...all england concerned about is winning and they doh care who out there to do it.
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What favouritism ting?
Always playing dey flecking misfiring forwards... ;D Like Owen, they pretty boy Beckham.... and the disaster that is Paul Robinson...
Having they media influence the team's selection... understood!
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lol I doh feel england have no favoritism thing going except certain coaches have players they like is not like back in the time of barnes I mean for crying out loud cole , ferdinand, brown, james all black men cmon boys lets think before we talk nah ...all england concerned about is winning and they doh care who out there to do it.
As you can tell I'm no england fan, and I do not support all those years of playing Owen and Rooney... That's all...
or may be you have not been around when only Des Walker or Paul Parker use to only make the team!
England's failures have been selecting their favourite media players.... not always the best players... or more consistent.
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Making note that a black player scored England's first goal in the new regime ;D
Steups...that's your scene?
By the way Jenas is as white as he is black so let's make a note that the race talk should done right there...
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Making note that a black player scored England's first goal in the new regime ;D
Steups...that's your scene?
By the way Jenas is as white as he is black so let's make a note that the race talk should done right there...
You need to leave NY and travel to the midlands then... ;D
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Just back from Wembley. SWPs goal was very good. Excellent run and pass by Gerrard, good vision and run by SWP. Don't agree that Gerrard was man of the match though. To be fair, none of the England players stood out.
Its interesting to note all this talk about black players and favouritism. I don't hear any of my black/mixed/white friends in England saying this. In fact, I haven't heard talk like that in the UK for a long time.
I must admit, I've heard a few white muppets complaining about too many black guys, but the only complaints I hear from black guys is that there seems to be a negetive vibe about black coaches.
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Just back from Wembley. SWPs goal was very good. Excellent run and pass by Gerrard, good vision and run by SWP. Don't agree that Gerrard was man of the match though. To be fair, none of the England players stood out.
Its interesting to note all this talk about black players and favouritism. I don't hear any of my black/mixed/white friends in England saying this. In fact, I haven't heard talk like that in the UK for a long time.
I must admit, I've heard a few white muppets complaining about too many black guys, but the only complaints I hear from black guys is that there seems to be a negetive vibe about black coaches.
As an England fan dating back to the days of Barnes, Robson and Lineker...it's an old criticism of English managers that they are hesitant to play black players. I personally think this may have indeed been the case 20 yrs ago, but not so sure now as others have pointed out that this criticism is valid today, given the number of prominent black players getting regular run in the National Team.
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funny eh buh all i saw was 2 men scoring didnt really see colour
the only colour i saw was england kit, n too like it but i would still like to own 1
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I was in DC for the Game at Lucky Shoe Bar and heard them mentioning too many black players on the team. I guess they were Owen and Nugent fans but was glad to see the new faces of England... I'm not saying they are favoured but in the 80's and 90's far less selected... Its good to see more faces of that reflect the diaspora of Europe in their national teams... thats all. Was at Northumbria and heard some racist $hit when defoe was playing under their last Steve...
Its also welcoming as a football fan to see players being disciplined and not being selected from some media pressure. I was glad to see that Becks was given a rest and more of their younger players given a chance. This is the favouritsm that I was talking about..
Kicker btw Madrid does hang Confederate Flags in dey stadium, I know I was in there for a Barca game....
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Germany play today anyone see that... that was ah Game.... onward march...
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I happy Calamity get ah run....he might get more sweat now that Robbo's patron get canned.
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I recorded the game and came back after the TnT game and watched it..
i found England looked very good... they played a 4-1-4-1 formation and Rooney and or Bentley were the best players by far
The second half was much better and only good things to come
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i eh lieing nah....some ah allyuh sick yes...
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So easy to stir controversy on this forum... ;D
I jess dislike England that is all hahahahaha ;D
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I was in DC for the Game at Lucky Shoe Bar and heard them mentioning too many black players on the team. I guess they were Owen and Nugent fans but was glad to see the new faces of England... I'm not saying they are favoured but in the 80's and 90's far less selected... Its good to see more faces of that reflect the diaspora of Europe in their national teams... thats all. Was at Northumbria and heard some racist $hit when defoe was playing under their last Steve...
Its also welcoming as a football fan to see players being disciplined and not being selected from some media pressure. I was glad to see that Becks was given a rest and more of their younger players given a chance. This is the favouritsm that I was talking about..
Kicker btw Madrid does hang Confederate Flags in dey stadium, I know I was in there for a Barca game....
You are taking isolated reactions of "fans", who are probably idiots and using it to criticise several different administrations of the team.
Suffice it to say race has not been a factor in England team selections for more than 20 years. In fact I could remember England sides with as many or more black players starting than those who started tonight.
As for fresh selections, Capello hasn't selected anyone new to the set-up. the most he might have done is give Bentley a bigger role.
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England was not impressive...a tougher opponent than Switzerland would have humiliated them
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I was in DC for the Game at Lucky Shoe Bar and heard them mentioning too many black players on the team. I guess they were Owen and Nugent fans but was glad to see the new faces of England... I'm not saying they are favoured but in the 80's and 90's far less selected... Its good to see more faces of that reflect the diaspora of Europe in their national teams... thats all. Was at Northumbria and heard some racist $hit when defoe was playing under their last Steve...
Its also welcoming as a football fan to see players being disciplined and not being selected from some media pressure. I was glad to see that Becks was given a rest and more of their younger players given a chance. This is the favouritsm that I was talking about..
Kicker btw Madrid does hang Confederate Flags in dey stadium, I know I was in there for a Barca game....
Yow forget that talk nah dread, BC it go lead to ppl calling yuh a racist and ah hater! mind you , i think you're spot on! cause i watching english football since some ah dem men was in their mother's belly , in strollers , and in their father testicles , and i remember the only black faces you saw in the prem was garth crocks and another jamaican born player can't recall his name right now, but english football has came a long way. to me the first black player i've ever seen in an english shirt was john barnes, not sure if that's correct, but i stop watch english football in the mid 80ies , and started watching seria, so i don't know for sure if there were others before him . france is a perfect example of how bias english selection is when it come down to race. BTW jennas is black dude! one drop of black blood make's you black, doh matter how white yuh feel you are, or how white you may look.
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I was in DC for the Game at Lucky Shoe Bar and heard them mentioning too many black players on the team. I guess they were Owen and Nugent fans but was glad to see the new faces of England... I'm not saying they are favoured but in the 80's and 90's far less selected... Its good to see more faces of that reflect the diaspora of Europe in their national teams... thats all. Was at Northumbria and heard some racist $hit when defoe was playing under their last Steve...
Its also welcoming as a football fan to see players being disciplined and not being selected from some media pressure. I was glad to see that Becks was given a rest and more of their younger players given a chance. This is the favouritsm that I was talking about..
Kicker btw Madrid does hang Confederate Flags in dey stadium, I know I was in there for a Barca game....
Yow forget that talk nah dread, BC it go lead to ppl calling yuh a racist and ah hater! mind you , i think you're spot on! cause i watching english football since some ah dem men was in their mother's belly , in strollers , and in their father testicles , and i remember the only black faces you saw in the prem was garth crocks and another jamaican born player can't recall his name right now, but english football has came a long way. to me the first black player i've ever seen in an english shirt was john barnes, not sure if that's correct, but i stop watch english football in the mid 80ies , and started watching seria, so i don't know for sure if there were others before him . france is a perfect example of how bias english selection is when it come down to race. BTW jennas is black dude! one drop of black blood make's you black, doh matter how white yuh feel you are, or how white you may look.
I think Viv Anderson was the first black player to be capped and was quickly followed by Fashanu and Regis, if I remember correctly. First black footballer I ever saw playing in England was Clyde Best of West Ham, and that was around 1972. I wonder if there were earlier players who were mixed race, but so light skinned that no one noticed in those days. I remember people who may have been quarter black were referred to as having "a touch of the tan" which meant they had "foreign blood such as African, Asian etc".
Maybe there were some great mixed/black players but the British were too stupid to notice??
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BTW jennas is black dude! one drop of black blood make's you black, doh matter how white yuh feel you are, or how white you may look.
nah. Jenas is mixed. but that is just me. everyone will see race how they want. one drop of black making you black is just one view..no matter how popular you believe it is. but be honest..if T&T whole squad look like Jenas..you would probably want to know where all de black footballers gone ;)
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Yow forget that talk nah dread, BC it go lead to ppl calling yuh a racist and ah hater! mind you , i think you're spot on! cause i watching english football since some ah dem men was in their mother's belly , in strollers , and in their father testicles , and i remember the only black faces you saw in the prem was garth crocks and another jamaican born player can't recall his name right now, but english football has came a long way. to me the first black player i've ever seen in an english shirt was john barnes, not sure if that's correct, but i stop watch english football in the mid 80ies , and started watching seria, so i don't know for sure if there were others before him . france is a perfect example of how bias english selection is when it come down to race. BTW jennas is black dude! one drop of black blood make's you black, doh matter how white yuh feel you are, or how white you may look.
Why you so dred?
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I was in DC for the Game at Lucky Shoe Bar and heard them mentioning too many black players on the team. I guess they were Owen and Nugent fans but was glad to see the new faces of England... I'm not saying they are favoured but in the 80's and 90's far less selected... Its good to see more faces of that reflect the diaspora of Europe in their national teams... thats all. Was at Northumbria and heard some racist $hit when defoe was playing under their last Steve...
Its also welcoming as a football fan to see players being disciplined and not being selected from some media pressure. I was glad to see that Becks was given a rest and more of their younger players given a chance. This is the favouritsm that I was talking about..
Kicker btw Madrid does hang Confederate Flags in dey stadium, I know I was in there for a Barca game....
Hoss you doh need to teach me any lessons on race & racism.....and the Madrid comment holds no bearing on my affinity for the squad....
I just don't see the point in nothing that a black player scored the first goal for England under the Capello regime, like that means anything...... Flip the coin- the first black player to ever captain England was Paul Ince- In his first game as captain- what happened? They lost to the U.S....What if someone decided to note that ah bet yuh woulda tell him to hush is a$$....
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Yow forget that talk nah dread, BC it go lead to ppl calling yuh a racist and ah hater! mind you , i think you're spot on! cause i watching english football since some ah dem men was in their mother's belly , in strollers , and in their father testicles , and i remember the only black faces you saw in the prem was garth crocks and another jamaican born player can't recall his name right now, but english football has came a long way. to me the first black player i've ever seen in an english shirt was john barnes, not sure if that's correct, but i stop watch english football in the mid 80ies , and started watching seria, so i don't know for sure if there were others before him . france is a perfect example of how bias english selection is when it come down to race. BTW jennas is black dude! one drop of black blood make's you black, doh matter how white yuh feel you are, or how white you may look.
Steupsss- You like to bark & growl loud loud like some militant black and proud, and then look at what school of thought you subscribe to- The "One drop Rule" You serious? Do you even know the origins of it? Look it up my friend- learn how it came to pass, and then come back and tell me if that's the school of thought that you really want to subscribe to......
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I was in DC for the Game at Lucky Shoe Bar and heard them mentioning too many black players on the team. I guess they were Owen and Nugent fans but was glad to see the new faces of England... I'm not saying they are favoured but in the 80's and 90's far less selected... Its good to see more faces of that reflect the diaspora of Europe in their national teams... thats all. Was at Northumbria and heard some racist $hit when defoe was playing under their last Steve...
Its also welcoming as a football fan to see players being disciplined and not being selected from some media pressure. I was glad to see that Becks was given a rest and more of their younger players given a chance. This is the favouritsm that I was talking about..
Kicker btw Madrid does hang Confederate Flags in dey stadium, I know I was in there for a Barca game....
You are taking isolated reactions of "fans", who are probably idiots and using it to criticise several different administrations of the team.
Suffice it to say race has not been a factor in England team selections for more than 20 years. In fact I could remember England sides with as many or more black players starting than those who started tonight.
As for fresh selections, Capello hasn't selected anyone new to the set-up. the most he might have done is give Bentley a bigger role.
To me i don't see race when looking at Football but the best combination a Coach put on the field,i think what we are seeing with Capello is a Coach that is neutral not being attached to any of the clubs,how many of those guys played on England's team in the last WC?i tend to like what he did with that team,although he did not add anyone new to the set-up his starting combination was different,players who normally would be on the bench played,any how good game hope they came improve on this though for harder games.
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Man gettin tye up in the way people does deal with race in the States. Yuh mix when yuh parents are of different races. Jenas, Ferdinand, Giggs, all dem fellas mix. On another note Wes Brown is a damn space cadet the man does play with no sense or sense of urgency,ah cah wait for Neville to come back or for Ferguson to give Simpson more run.