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Title: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: capodetutticapi on February 22, 2008, 10:44:28 AM
Messi Wins EFE Award

2/22/2008 10:05 AM
Barcelona's Argentine forward Lionel Messi was awarded the EFE trophy as the best Latin American player in La Liga last season at a ceremony at the Camp Nou earlier today.
Messi was presented with the trophy by EFE president Alex Grijelmo and was joined by his parents, brothers and other family members at the ceremony.

This was the 17th year that EFE have honoured the best Latin American player in La Liga and Messi beat off competition from Daniel Alves and his Barça teammate Ronaldinho to scoop the award, voted for by the members of EFE.

Messi was grateful to receive the award and stated that he hopes to continue to improve as a player in the coming years.

"I want to thank the Agency EFE and all the people who are present, to my family and my captain, Carles Puyol. It is beautiful to be able to receive this prize and it gives me extra motivation to continue grow as a player," he told those in attendance.

Before presenting the award to Messi, Grijelmo spoke in glowing terms of the Barcelona forward, saying that he is an inspiration to kids of small stature who want to become professional footballers.

"Messi is one of those players that I enjoy watching. Today he receives an important prize. They say that he is the new Maradona; he is not very tall, like Butragueño or Aimar, and that is one of the great things about football, that anyone can dream about being a star regardless of their physique," he explained.

Messi becomes the sixth Argentine to win the award, following in the footsteps of Diego Simeone, Martín Herrera, Fernando Redondo, Javier Saviola and Pablo Aimar.

Title: Messi claims Ballon d'Or
Post by: Jumbie on November 30, 2009, 09:23:22 PM
Argentina's Lionel Messi has won the prestigious Ballon d'Or, the award for Europe's player of the year voted by journalists and organised by France Football magazine.


Messi, the talented Barcelona forward, sent last year's winner Cristiano Ronaldo into second place, making him the sixth Barcelona player to take the award but the first for four years - since Brazilian playmaker Ronaldinho.

Messi became the first Ballon D'Or winner from Argentina, eclipsing Ronaldo by a record 240-point margin. The award's 96 jurors gave Messi 473 points out of a possible 480, a near unanimous verdict, the magazine said on its website.

Messi told France Football: "There's lots of emotion - the Ballon d'Or is very important for me. I know I appeared among the favourites because Barcelona had a profitable year.

"For me it's a big honour to win - but also to become the first Argentinian in history to receive the trophy. I dedicate it to my family, they were always present when I needed them and sometimes felt even stronger emotions than me.''

Messi recently signed a two-year contract extension with the European champions until 2016 - an improved deal which includes a buy-out clause worth 250million euros (£228million).

The 22-year-old Argentinian won an unprecedented treble last season as Messi's Catalan side won the Champions League, the Spanish title and the Copa del Rey. Messi was the top scorer in last year's Champions League with nine goals, including a header in the 2-0 final defeat of Manchester United in Rome.

Messi also hit 23 goals in the league and six in the King's Cup. As the leading light in the world's best team this year, it had been widely expected Messi would snare the Ballon d'Or in the lead up to Tuesday's announcement.

Ronaldo (233 votes) was the only non-Barcelona player in the top four, with Xavi (170) and Andres Iniesta (149) next in the list. Former Barca striker Samuel Eto'o - now with Inter Milan, was fifth on 75, 17 votes clear of Real's former AC Milan playmaker Kaka.

Barcelona's Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who moved in the opposite direction to Eto'o, polled 50 - before a quintet of English-based players. Manchester United and England striker Wayne Rooney and Chelsea forward Didier Drogba were eighth and ninth, with Liverpool midfielder Steven Gerrard completing the top 10.

Liverpool striker Fernando Torres was 11th, Arsenal midfielder Cesc Fabregas 12th, with Manchester United winger Ryan Giggs - who netted his 100th Premier League goal at Portsmouth on Saturday, finishing 14th.

Barcelona's Thierry Henry, heavily criticised for his handball in France's World Cup play-off win over Republic, completed the top 15. Manchester United defender Nemanja Vidic shared 16th place with eight points alongside Sevilla striker Luis Fabiano and Real Madrid goalkeeper Iker Casillas.

Atletico Madrid's Diego Forlan polled seven and Bordeaux striker Yoann Gourcuff six, while Arsenal midfielder Andrei Arshavin and Chelsea counterpart Frank Lampard shared 21st with five alongside Inter keeper Julio Cesar.

Inter Milan's Maicon (four), Juventus' Diego (three), Valencia's David Villa and Chelsea defender John Terry (two), and Bayern Munich's Franck Ribery and Barcelona's Yaya Toure (one) completed the star-studded list.

Source: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=706306&sec=europe&cc=5901
Title: Re: Messi claims Ballon d'Or
Post by: 100% Barataria on November 30, 2009, 09:29:05 PM
 :applause: :applause: :applause:

Well deserved, hard luck macoh meh man  :devil:
Title: Re: Messi claims Ballon d'Or
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on November 30, 2009, 09:30:50 PM
Well won.. congrats

Title: Re: Messi claims Ballon d'Or
Post by: Big Magician on November 30, 2009, 09:43:31 PM
well done smalls...play yuh fitball
Title: Re: Messi claims Ballon d'Or
Post by: Jah Gol on November 30, 2009, 09:44:05 PM
little man , big player.
Title: Re: Messi claims Ballon d'Or
Post by: TdotTrini on November 30, 2009, 10:06:09 PM
steups, Jones rel shoot himself in the foot with that red card. there is always next year.

Well done little man.
Title: Re: Messi claims Ballon d'Or
Post by: Mango Chow! on November 30, 2009, 11:09:30 PM
:applause: :applause: :applause:

Well deserved, hard luck macoh meh man  :devil:


 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Messi takes Ballon d'Or
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on December 01, 2009, 07:09:49 AM
Argentina's Lionel Messi has won the prestigious Ballon d'Or, the award for Europe's player of the year voted by journalists and organised by France Football magazine.

(http://soccernet-assets.espn.go.com/design05/images/JonMC/May2009/messi-275.jpg)
Lionel Messi's Champions League win helped him to the Ballon d'Or

Messi, the talented Barcelona forward, sent last year's winner Cristiano Ronaldo into second place, making him the sixth Barcelona player to take the award but the first for four years - since Brazilian playmaker Ronaldinho.

Messi became the first Ballon D'Or winner from Argentina, eclipsing Ronaldo by a record 240-point margin. The award's 96 jurors gave Messi 473 points out of a possible 480, a near unanimous verdict, the magazine said on its website.

Messi told France Football: "There's lots of emotion - the Ballon d'Or is very important for me. I know I appeared among the favourites because Barcelona had a profitable year.

"For me it's a big honour to win - but also to become the first Argentinian in history to receive the trophy. I dedicate it to my family, they were always present when I needed them and sometimes felt even stronger emotions than me.''

Messi recently signed a two-year contract extension with the European champions until 2016 - an improved deal which includes a buy-out clause worth 250million euros (£228million).

The 22-year-old Argentinian won an unprecedented treble last season as Messi's Catalan side won the Champions League, the Spanish title and the Copa del Rey. Messi was the top scorer in last year's Champions League with nine goals, including a header in the 2-0 final defeat of Manchester United in Rome.

Messi also hit 23 goals in the league and six in the King's Cup. As the leading light in the world's best team this year, it had been widely expected Messi would snare the Ballon d'Or in the lead up to Tuesday's announcement.

Ronaldo (233 votes) was the only non-Barcelona player in the top four, with Xavi (170) and Andres Iniesta (149) next in the list. Former Barca striker Samuel Eto'o - now with Inter Milan, was fifth on 75, 17 votes clear of Real's former AC Milan playmaker Kaka.

Barcelona's Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who moved in the opposite direction to Eto'o, polled 50 - before a quintet of English-based players. Manchester United and England striker Wayne Rooney and Chelsea forward Didier Drogba were eighth and ninth, with Liverpool midfielder Steven Gerrard completing the top 10.

Liverpool striker Fernando Torres was 11th, Arsenal midfielder Cesc Fabregas 12th, with Manchester United winger Ryan Giggs - who netted his 100th Premier League goal at Portsmouth on Saturday, finishing 14th.

Barcelona's Thierry Henry, heavily criticised for his handball in France's World Cup play-off win over Republic, completed the top 15. Manchester United defender Nemanja Vidic shared 16th place with eight points alongside Sevilla striker Luis Fabiano and Real Madrid goalkeeper Iker Casillas.

Atletico Madrid's Diego Forlan polled seven and Bordeaux striker Yoann Gourcuff six, while Arsenal midfielder Andrei Arshavin and Chelsea counterpart Frank Lampard shared 21st with five alongside Inter keeper Julio Cesar.

Inter Milan's Maicon (four), Juventus' Diego (three), Valencia's David Villa and Chelsea defender John Terry (two), and Bayern Munich's Franck Ribery and Barcelona's Yaya Toure (one) completed the star-studded list.
Title: Re: Messi takes Ballon d'Or
Post by: kicker on December 01, 2009, 07:25:04 AM
Wow!! What a shocker!!!

Title: Re: Messi takes Ballon d'Or
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on December 01, 2009, 08:00:32 AM
Messi fans, check this site I now stumble across.

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Title: Lionel Messi: Boy Genius
Post by: Bitter on May 23, 2011, 07:44:44 PM
Lionel Messi: Boy Genius
By JERÉ LONGMAN
May 21, 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/22/sports/soccer/lionel-messi-boy-genius.html?sq=messi&st=cse&scp=1&pagewanted=all

He Doesn’t Live There
by Robert Lalasz

Brilliant!
Magic!
Aaaaaaaagh!
Absolute genius again
From Messi!
They tried
To kick him
They tried
To plow him into the ground
And what you do then?
You try to put
Fire out
With gasoline!
Don’t look for him
In the X’s and O’s
He doesn’t live there.
He doesn’t live in
The tactical world
Or the technical world
He lives in the
Magnetic spectrum
Of genius.
You could corral him with
A dozen alligators
And still he’d weave
His way out.

BARCELONA, Spain — Given a rare night on the Barcelona bench last Sunday, Lionel Messi yanked on the seat in front of him, hunched his shoulders over the chair back and kicked it with his cleats. He seemed not so much the world’s best soccer player as a restless kid in a movie theater.

He is 23, with a grown-up’s income reported to exceed $43 million this year. Yet Messi still has a boy’s floppy bangs, a boy’s slight build and a boy’s nickname, the Flea. Even the ball stays on his feet like a shy child clinging to his father’s legs.

It is a boy’s fearlessness, enthusiasm, calm and humility, too, that help explain why Messi is already considered one of the greatest ever to play the world’s game. In the space of 18 tense days from April to early May, Barcelona played four Clásicos against its archrival, Real Madrid. The Madrid strategy was to strangle beauty out of the matches, to use nasty muscle against Messi, to shoulder him down or shiver him with a forearm or take his legs in scything tackles. Once, he was sent rolling as if he had caught fire.

Messi made small appeals for fairness with his eyes and hands, but he remained unflappable and without complaint. He did not yell at the referee or clamp a threatening hand around an opponent’s neck or fake a foul and dive to the ground. He remained apart from ugly words and scuffles and expulsions that marred the matches. Instead, he trumped cynicism with genius.

With a boy’s ardor, Messi put Barcelona in the final of the Champions League in Europe — the world’s most prestigious club tournament — to be played against Manchester United on Saturday at Wembley Stadium in London. He delivered both goals in Barcelona’s 2-0 victory in the first leg of the semifinal round against Real Madrid. This gave Messi a startling 52 goals in his first 50 matches of a season in which he also leads the Spanish league in assists. The first goal was merely outstanding in its timing and clever anticipation. The second was a masterpiece of acceleration, power, balance, agility, vision and darting virtuosity.

“I think this genius is impossible to describe,” Pep Guardiola, Barcelona’s manager, said. “That’s why he is a genius. He has instinct. He loves to live with pressure. He is one of the best ever created.”

That defining Champions League semifinal match was played April 27 at Estadio Santiago Bernabéu in Madrid. Nine months earlier, stars from Barcelona and Real Madrid joined to give Spain its first World Cup title. Together, they lifted the winner’s trophy in South Africa. But now they played for club, not country. Temporary brotherhood fissured. Blood rivalry resumed. Madrid, the capital, was once the base of Franco’s dictatorship and is now the seat of Spain’s constitutional monarchy; Barcelona sits in the heart of the autonomous Catalan region, with its own language and cultural (and soccer) identity.

An Argentine, Messi was not born into these tensions. He came to Barcelona at 13, when the club agreed to pick up the costs of treatment for a growth-hormone deficiency. As the story goes, his contract was written on a napkin. At the time, he was about 4 feet 7 inches. He now stands 5-7. If his lack of size made him shy and self-conscious as a boy, his low center of gravity made him spectacularly elusive as a soccer player.

“We thought he was mute,” said Gerard Piqué, the lanky Barcelona center back who played with Messi in the club’s youth academy. “He was in the dressing room, on the bench, just sitting. He said nothing to us for the first month. We traveled to Switzerland to play a tournament, and he started to talk and have fun. We thought it was another person. He was really good, but he was really small and thin. His legs were like fingers. One coach said, ‘Don’t try to tackle him strong, because maybe you will break him.’ And we said, ‘O.K., but don’t worry because we cannot catch him.’ ”

A decade later, Messi proved even more artful and cagey in the Champions League semifinals after the April match remained scoreless into the 76th minute. As Madrid sat and waited, Barcelona dominated possession with its elegant, patient attack, probing for an away goal that would serve as a tie breaker if needed in the home-and-home series. It was a format meant to encourage aggressiveness in visiting teams and to discourage them from turtling into a defensive shell.

An opening came soon enough. Madrid was vulnerable. In the 61st minute, it had been reduced to 10 men after Pepe, a defender, was red-carded for a cleats-up challenge on Barcelona’s right back, Dani Alves. Pushing into midfield, Pepe had been Madrid’s most effective marker of Messi in two earlier matches during the month, one a tie in a Spanish league game, the other a Real Madrid victory for the Spanish Cup (which was unceremoniously dropped under the team bus during the celebration). But this match was more important, a chance to play for the championship of Europe. Pepe’s eviction was a harsh blow that changed everything.

Madrid’s impulsive manager, José Mourinho, was soon banished, too. He clapped his hands mockingly at the referee’s notice of Pepe’s eviction and at what he considered Alves’s theatrically pained reaction to a nonexistent foul.

In 2005, while managing Chelsea in the English Premier League, a suspended Mourinho reportedly evaded a prohibition on contact with his players by rolling into the dressing room while hiding inside a laundry basket. Now, against Barcelona, he was reduced to a child’s classroom subterfuge of passing furtive notes to his assistant from the stands.

With 14 minutes remaining and the score still 0-0, Messi took what seemed an innocuous pass nearly 40 yards from the goal. It came from Xavi, Barcelona’s brilliant playmaker, whose oiled pompadour and wide eyes evoke a young Jackie Gleason, though Gleason’s comedy could be manic, even volcanic, while Xavi’s art is restrained and surgical.

Messi stabbed forward with the ball, and Madrid midfielder Xabi Alonso tried to make a sliding tackle. Messi wobbled but shrugged off Alonso, keeping his feet. Still, he was not free. Madrid’s defense engulfed him like white blood cells trying to fight off infection. His shot ricocheted off a clot of defenders at the top of the penalty area, but Messi remained alert and flicked the rebound back to Xavi.

It was no surprise that Messi connected so assuredly with Xavi. The three players who drive Barcelona’s attack — Messi, Xavi and the industrious midfielder Andrés Iniesta — all graduated from the club’s youth academy. They are different ages, but they have been in one another’s company for a decade.

The heart of Barcelona’s defense, Piqué and Carles Puyol, also developed at the academy, which is symbolized by an 18th-century stone farmhouse, known as La Masia, that was remade into a dormitory just outside Camp Nou, Barcelona’s stadium. The generic term for the academy is La Cantera. The quarry. It has become the world’s model for mining young talent.

Messi grew homesick when he arrived with his father from Argentina, club officials said. He missed his mother and sometimes cried himself asleep. Quickly enough, though, he immersed himself in the Barcelona style, which demands flair and creativity, not mere utility. He played the keep-away game called El Rondo, in which one player stands inside a circle trying to steal passes made in tight spaces. He mastered the system known as tiki-taka, built around short, rhythmic passes and movement described by Iniesta as “receive, pass, offer,” triangular exchanges that form a spellbinding geometry.

As Barcelona dispatched Arsenal in the 2010 Champions League quarterfinals, Gunners wing Theo Walcott marveled, “It was like someone was holding a PlayStation controller and moving the figures around.”

In the first leg of this year’s semifinals, Real Madrid must have felt the same wonder and helplessness, especially down a man. Barcelona completed an astonishing 713 of 788 passes in the match. Xavi alone was 107 for 112. In the 76th minute, upon taking Messi’s short pass, Xavi turned his back to the goal and wheeled away from three defenders. Astutely, he played the ball on the right wing to the substitute Ibrahim Afellay. Messi took a few casual strides at the top of the penalty area, but this was a poacher’s deceptive saunter.

Alonso put a forearm in Messi’s chest for resistance, then backpedaled and turned his head to find the ball. Twelve yards from the goal, Alonso stopped, shuttling Messi off to the final line of Madrid’s defense. Space opened in the briefest moment of hesitancy and indecision. That was all Messi needed.

“I knew Afellay would wait until the last second to cross the ball, so I kept running,” he said.

He broke for the near goal post, sprinting past defender Sergio Ramos, a boy’s sprint, his short legs churning, his hands high and frantic. The cross from Afellay curled in low and precise. Before Iker Casillas, Madrid’s goalkeeper, could react, Messi ran onto the ball and jumped and clipped it between Casillas’s legs. Barcelona had a vital away goal. Messi jumped into his teammates’ arms and pumped his fists. He raised the Barcelona crest on his jersey and pounded his chest.

“No one plays with as much joy as Messi does,” Eduardo Galeano, the celebrated Uruguayan novelist and author of “Soccer in Sun and Shadow,” said in an e-mail. “He plays like a child enjoying the pasture, playing for the pleasure of playing, not the duty of winning.”

He plays like a child, and, away from the game, he still possesses a child’s reserve. Messi is seldom forthcoming. He even appeared distant last Sunday as Barcelona celebrated its latest Spanish league title with a belated festivity at Camp Nou. As confetti rained and his teammates danced and clapped and waved and threw peppers into the stands as a sign of strength, Messi mostly walked alone, his hands shoved into the pockets of his warm-up suit.

“Lio only wants to play,” said Thierry Henry, a French star and a former teammate of Messi’s at Barcelona who now plays for the Red Bulls of Major League Soccer.

On occasion, Messi does break his reticence. On Thursday, he said he played with the same eagerness that he did in Argentina when he improvised soccer balls from stones and women’s tights and cans of cola. “I have fun like a child in the street,” he said. “When the day comes when I’m not enjoying it, I will leave football.”

Still, he is most often silent, leaving others to provide the soundtrack of his career. Watchers of the bilingual soccer channel GolTV are treated weekly to the cockeyed enthusiasm of the British commentator Ray Hudson. A blog, Hudsonia, was inspired by his ability to “coin phrases that defy both logic and belief” and by his unending quest to “invent a new language in English.”

In Hudson’s words, Messi has “chameleon eyes” and is as “slippery as an eel covered in Vaseline” and plays with the predatory appetite of a “zombie hunter looking for a Twinkie.” Somehow, out of incomprehension comes clarity. Even poetry.

Robert Lalasz, the editor of the Web site Must Read Soccer, has assembled Hudson’s verbal improvisations into verse, the way others previously did for the Yankees broadcaster Phil Rizzuto. One of the poems, “He Doesn’t Live There,” opened this article.

Here is another:

“Neither With Net nor Trident”

The genius, the genius of
Football
In our modern-day life
Utterly
Unpredictable
He doesn’t know
What he’s going to do
So how the hell
Do the defenders
You cannot contain him
With a net
Or a trident
He’s got pace
He’s got power
He’s got vision
Technique!
And he’s got
Finishing power
His cup
Runneth over ...
Magnificent Messi
Wild man
He doth bestride the Earth
Like a Colossus

A second goal by Messi followed in the 87th minute, this one with a slalom skier’s pivoting and carving and shoulders squared to the fall line. The play began innocently enough, with a bland pass rolled out of the center circle from midfielder Sergio Busquets to Messi. Four Madrid midfielders and four defenders spread across the field ahead of Casillas in goal, an apparently safe but illusory deterrent.

What happened next is why players from the Costa Rican national team had lined up a month earlier for Messi’s autograph in an exhibition against Argentina, reduced to mere fans.

Tall and lean, Busquets jogged languidly from the circle into the space between Madrid’s central midfield and defense. Messi’s return pass was sharp and direct. Busquets received the ball, pivoted and tapped it lightly. What seemed unthreatening a few seconds earlier now became a menacing give-and-go.

“I saw some options,” Messi said. “I always try to create danger.”

During the careers of the greats to whom Messi is most often compared — Pelé of Brazil and Diego Maradona, a fellow Argentine — the pace of the game was slower, with more space to operate and more chance for flamboyant playfulness in the flowing dribbles known as gambeta.

Today, soccer increasingly relies on size and muscle and speed. The best players must be able to operate in claustrophobic spaces. That is the mesmerizing skill of Messi, slithering through these airless openings in top gear, changing direction, providing as well as scoring, his left foot tapping the ball on each stride with blurred and evasive touches. At such moments, the ball becomes an extension of his foot.

“You think of Gretzky playing hockey,” said Bob Bradley, the coach of the United States national team, who sat in the stadium in Madrid, watching the play unfold. “It sticks with you. Everybody who watches Messi knows he is pushing the highest level of the sport ever.”

Earlier in his career, Messi preferred to slash inside from the right wing, taking the ball on his dominant left foot. Now he is considered a center forward in Barcelona’s 4-3-3 formation, but the position as he plays it is sometimes described as a “ghost center forward” or a “false No. 9,” a reference to the traditional jersey number worn by a striker. Instead, Messi wears No. 10, the classic playmaker’s number. He is free to drift and roam and handle the ball, to combine with Xavi and Iniesta, to seek out openings that he can exploit with his passing or his dribbling, with his chameleon eyes.

This puts enormous stress on central defenders. Do they stay put? Do they go with Messi and leave yawning holes on the back line? On this day, with Madrid short a man, every decision was precarious.

“Alarm bells didn’t go off fast enough,” Bradley said. “Everybody took for granted that they could get there.”

Messi took the ball from Busquets about 45 yards from the goal. Four Madrid players surrounded Messi, but he deftly escaped. First, midfielder Lass Diarra was screened by Busquets. He caught up to Messi’s right shoulder and reached for the ball, but Messi sensed Diarra’s presence and touched it left. To keep from fouling, Diarra retreated with a dainty hop. Alonso quit after a few strides, also hopping in surrender.

Messi gathered speed and intent. Sergio Ramos charged at him, but Messi shielded the ball with the inside of his left foot, pushing it safely to the right. Taking the ball from him had become a blundering game, reaching for a dollar bill attached to a string.

“With someone like that, you want to move them one way, make them predictable, so if they do have a bad touch, you can win the ball,” said Landon Donovan, the American star who has twice played against Messi and Argentina’s national team. “The problem is, the ball is attached to him. Every stride, he’s touching the ball. It’s almost like a magnet is pulling it back in. You’re waiting for the ball to get away, but it doesn’t. If you foul him, his balance is so good, he keeps going. And he keeps going at speed, so you can’t catch him. Sometimes, you run at him like, ‘I’ve got him now,’ and he’ll make a one-time pass. You turn around and the ball comes back, and then he runs by you. There’s a constant mind game that he’s good at.”

Raul Albiol now had his chance in the Madrid defense, but he is 6-2 with a high center of gravity. He backpedaled and crouched, but his balance was all wrong and Messi was coming too fast. Futilely, Albiol thrust out a leg. Messi blew past and Albiol spun around and bent over, all his weight on his right leg. For a moment he seemed to be playing the wrong sport, appearing less a soccer player than a man who had just hurled a javelin.

With another touch, Messi pushed the ball five yards ahead into a vacant spot and sprinted into the penalty area. Marcelo, a defender, desperately rushed from behind, but a foul would have given Messi a penalty kick, so Marcelo pulled back, hands thrown up and knees bent as if parachuting from a plane.

Messi touched the ball with the outside of his left foot, once, twice, and Ramos made one last hustling charge, but he was too late. Sliding to the turf, Messi cuffed the ball with the inside of his right foot. A final drip of the honey, as Hudson sometimes says in his excitable commentary.

The ball seemed to roll under Ramos’s foot, or between his legs. Beaten again, Ramos became tangled with Messi and tumbled in exasperation. Casillas moved to his left in goal, but the shot went to his right, squirting inside the far post. Real Madrid was all but finished in the Champions League. Casillas went to the ground on his backside and rose with his gloved hands upturned in a way that signaled disbelief and anger and resignation. And maybe awe.

On television and radio, Spanish-language broadcasters began their prolonged, ecstatic screams, “Gooooooooooooool!” extending the sound for an entire breath, but this was more than a goal, it was a supergoal, and so the shrieks became “Gooooooooooooooolazo!” as Messi again jumped into his teammates’ arms.

“It was all instinct,” Messi said. “Only when I watched it later on television did I know what happened.”

“Vintage Messi”

How many angels
Can dance on the head of a pin?
How magnificent
Is Messi?
There is no answer
It’s like counting the bubbles
In a bottle of Champagne

With that goal, the question came again. Was Messi the best player ever? The novelist Eduardo Sacheri watched from Buenos Aires and knew that in Argentina, the answer was no. He wrote often about soccer because it reflected the joy and pain of daily life. He loved Messi. He took up for him when his own 14-year-old son, Francisco, asked, “Why is Messi never as good for Argentina as he is for Barcelona?”

But the fact remained: Messi had never won a World Cup, as Maradona had in 1986. And although Messi was influential at the 2010 World Cup, he did not score as Argentina exited meekly to Germany in the quarterfinals.

“Until Messi wins a World Cup, he doesn’t stand a chance of being compared to Maradona,” Sacheri said.

He still has plenty of time. Messi turns 24 next month. But his relationship with Argentina is complicated. He left when he was a teenager. For many, he is a remote figure.

“Maradona was born in the slums; he has had a chaotic life, anarchic,” Sacheri said. “Failure and success, shadowy and brilliant. Those are things Argentines can relate to and empathize with. If Messi wins a World Cup, he will be an idol. But it might be more difficult for him to have a passionate relationship with the public.”

The debate will never end. That is the beauty of soccer. It demands argument, abhors understatement. Goals are too few and too precious for restrained scrutiny. Entire nations swell and deflate at the sight of ball going into a net. But the next World Cup is not for three years. What to do until then?

“With Lio, the best thing is not to talk about him,” Henry, his former teammate, said. “It is to watch him.”

“Covered With Eyes”

What he is
He’s like something
Out of Greek mythology, man
Little short-legged bull
Lionel Messi
Covered with eyes!
Title: Re: Lionel Messi: Boy Genius
Post by: fitzinho on May 24, 2011, 05:36:09 AM
article was clearly written by a Barca fan....interesting read tho
Title: Re: Lionel Messi: Boy Genius
Post by: giggsy11 on May 24, 2011, 06:55:58 AM
article was clearly written by a Barca fan....interesting read tho


That is Chow's aka!
Title: Argentina v. Venezuela: Kolkata, India Eagerly awaits Messi
Post by: asylumseeker on September 02, 2011, 09:02:10 AM
Kolkata Eagerly Awaits Messi Show
By Will Davies

Source (http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2011/09/02/kolkata-eagerly-awaits-messi-show/)

Kolkata, West Bengal, is India’s soccer heartland. Forget about team India and European countries: fans in this part of the world are most passionate about Latin American sides, in particular Brazil and Argentina. It all stems back to Pelé and then Diego Maradona, who both wowed soccer watchers in India (and the world over) with their sublime skills. Maradona of course won millions of extra Indian fans when he single-handedly (ahem) destroyed England in the 1986 World Cup quarterfinals.

When it comes to sport in India, it’s rare for any individual outside of cricket to generate the type of hysterical hero-worshipping usually reserved for the likes of Sachin Tendulkar and Sourav Ganguly. But Argentinian soccer star Lionel Messi does just that and his arrival in Kolkata for a friendly match against Venezuela has sent the eastern Indian city into a spin.

Despite still being in the relatively early stages of his career, Messi, 24, is already expected to join Pelé and Maradona at the top of the list of all-time greats. His arrival in India is a big deal for a country starved of soccer stars, and FIFA knows it. India remains a huge and largely untapped market for the sport. What other reason would there be for two South American countries, whose players either ply their trade there or in Europe, to fly all the way to India for a one-off match? This is sport at its most commercial, and Messi is the rhythmic, money-spinning cog at its center. Sports shops selling the blue-and-white strip of Argentina should enjoy a healthy few days of trade.

Friday’s match at the Salt Lake Stadium in Kolkata will be Messi’s first as Argentina’s captain, as well as Alejandro Sabella’s debut as coach of the national team. Venezuela hasn’t beaten Argentina in 17 attempts, but will be a tougher proposition after reaching the semifinals in the recent Copa America. Argentina crashed out of that tournament in the quarterfinals after losing to Uruguay on penalties, prompting the departure of coach Sergio Batista.

Argentina is in a rebuilding phase, while Venezuela is on a rare high. Friday evening’s match in Kolkata, whatever the result, will have little impact on the teams – international friendlies are, frankly, pretty meaningless. But it will still mean a lot to the people of Kolkata, especially the 120,000 who fill Salt Lake Stadium to see Messi & Co. play first hand.

That’s a huge crowd even for Messi, who plays week-in, week-out at the enormous Nou Camp in Barcelona, which has a capacity of about 100,000. Kolkata’s Salt Lake Stadium, also known as Yuva Bharato Krirangan, is the world’s second-largest stadium that hosts soccer matches, after the 150,000 seater Rungrado May Day Stadium in–yes, you guessed it–Pyongyang, North Korea.

Of the thousands in Kolkata tonight, four children will have a particularly memorable experience. Save the Children has picked four youngsters from the most marginalized communities in the city to walk out on to the pitch with the players, so not only will they be able to say they watched Messi play, they’ll also be able to revel in the fact that they held the great player’s hand.
Title: Re: Argentina v. Venezuela: Kolkata, India Eagerly awaits Messi
Post by: asylumseeker on September 02, 2011, 09:20:07 AM
Game in progress. Something off the field caught my attention ... Herbalife sponsors several teams:
Aris in Greece, LA Galaxy in the US, Coimbra in Portugal, Barcelona, Valencia, Schalke, Spartak Moscow, Pumas in Mexico, Maccabi Haifa ... list cyah done ... during this game a section of fans are all equipped with Herbalife tee-shirts and a big Herbalife banner.

The thing that struck me is that the cameras turned to them on more than one occasion ... Not sure but this could have been "ambush marketing" ...  the ppl running transmission feeds at sporting events typically do not allow for the recognition of unofficial sponsors ... so for instance if you are company X and it's the Olympic Games and you're not an official sponsor, great effort is taken to prevent you entering the stadium with paraphernalia pushing an unrecognized product/brand. Somebody may have slipped up ... or maybe there's a link to Messi playing?

If it was, somebody geh way with some "free" publicity and marketing.
Title: Re: Argentina v. Venezuela: Kolkata, India Eagerly awaits Messi
Post by: Jayerson on September 02, 2011, 09:43:30 AM
Argentina won 1 - 0. Otamendi.
Title: Romario disses Messi
Post by: Trini on October 19, 2011, 08:30:42 AM
As much as I am always in awe of Messi, Romario have a point, although he somehow sees himself as one of the top 3 of all time, LOL. I think Rivaldo will have something to say about that!

But seriously, Messi is the best in the present day.
But I still will not put him on the same level as Ronaldinho at his prime or the original R9 Ronaldo pre-injuries.
He still in the same class to me as Kaka at his prime, or Cristiano final year at Man U.

I wont even mention him in the same breath as Zidane either, muchless Maradonna or Pele.
NOT YET .....


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/971357/romario:-lionel-messi-has-a-long-way-to-go-to-be-great?cc=5901


Romario: Messi has a long way to go
October 19, 2011

By ESPNsoccernet staff

Former Barcelona striker Romario says that World Player of the Year Lionel Messi has a long way to go before he can be considered the greatest of all-time.

Romario
GettyImagesRomario has placed himself second in the all-time list.

Messi stirred the debate himself last week when he claimed that he had never seen Pele - considered by many to be best player in history - play, with the great Brazilian promising to send him a copy of his film so that he could study up.

However, 1994 World Cup winner and former Barcelona striker Romario has now added his voice, claiming that Messi must first overcome Diego Maradona, and himself, before thinking about Pele.

"If Messi sees the video, he'll probably learn some things," Romario said at a press conference. "You simply cannot compare him with Pele. You cannot say he is the same when he has never won a World Cup.

"Messi has all the conditions to be the best one day, but first he has to overcome Maradona, Romario and then eventually Pele."

Romario played for Barcelona for two years between 1993 and 1995 and won one La Liga title with the Catalans before a journeyman career ended in 2009 and he took up politics, becoming a member of the Brazilian Parliament.
Title: Messi convinced he'll lift World Cup with Argentina
Post by: weary1969 on December 28, 2011, 01:31:47 PM
AIRES, Argentina (AFP) — Barcelona star Lionel Messi says he is convinced he can lift the World Cup with Argentina, the forward said in an interview published yesterday with the Argentina Football Association.

Messi has won a host of top honours with Barca but has yet to taste major honours with the Albicelestes, who are without a top title since 1993 and who flopped at the Copa America on home soil in July with many observers puzzled as to why his club form rarely appears at international level.

"I still have this dream and that is to be a world champion and lift the Copa America with the national side. And I know I'll do it, I am convinced I shall," insisted Messi.

"I don't have to demonstrate anything to anybody. I would love to win a title with the national team but I am just another one in the group who wants to do the best for Argentine football, nothing more," added Messi.

Under new coach Alejandro Sabella, Argentina got off to a mediocre start to their World Cup qualifiers with an embarrassing loss to Venezuela but their recent win over Colombia put them on a more even keel and they are now level on points with regional group leaders Uruguay — albeit having played a game more — and Venezuela.

"The group are doing fine. But we needed a win like that to strengthen ourselves. It has revitalised us," Messi said, recognising that "sometimes we don't quite get up to the mark either in terms of performance or the result. We are aware of that."

On the difference between playing for his country and Barca, with whom he has just won the world club title, Messi said: "They are two different things. Barcelona are the best team in the world -- even non-fans admit as much. That is the result of years of hard work with the same teammates.

"It's more difficult with the national side and we've been through a lot of chopping and changing of coaches in recent years," he said pointedly.

"But we are growing and I know we are going to achieve a lot," Messi concluded.

Title: Barca / Messi
Post by: Blue on January 04, 2012, 04:34:49 PM
Merge this to the right thread please...

Barca vs Osasuna on at the moment. Messi came on 15 minutes ago, and it has been one of the most beautiful spells of attacking football I have ever seen. It was 2-0 before he came on, he just made it 3-0 with a fantastic header....but some of the chances that have gone begging have been breathtaking. I know is just Osasuna but still...this is the best team ever, and he is the best player ever...I dont think Maradonna was ever as good as this.
Title: Re: Barca / Messi
Post by: palos on January 04, 2012, 04:51:28 PM
Merge this to the right thread please...

Barca vs Osasuna on at the moment. Messi came on 15 minutes ago, and it has been one of the most beautiful spells of attacking football I have ever seen. It was 2-0 before he came on, he just made it 3-0 with a fantastic header....but some of the chances that have gone begging have been breathtaking. I know is just Osasuna but still...this is the best team ever, and he is the best player ever...I dont think Maradonna was ever as good as this.

The present seems to impact most people more forcefully hence statements as the one in bold...and the best team ever talk too.

Certainly Barca plays heavenly football and I'm tempted to say I have never seen football like theirs before...especially when they're on song.  But I've been fortunate to see Brazil 82 with Socrates, Eder, Falcao, Zico, Junior etc (who up to Barca was the best football I've ever seen), and Milan of Baresi, Gullit, Van Basten, Rijkaard, Donadoni etc.  Even Real Madrid with Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Zizou etc were majestic in their prime.  I remember them DESTROYING Man U home AND away in CL.  Just breathtaking football.  But I see Barca and I tend to forget about them....but if I go back to those games...the memories flood back.

Diego was not of this world with regards to football.  Neither was Pele.  Messi IS great.  Better than either of those 2?  I tempted to say yes....but DAMN.....this is club football.  He's yet to do it for country although he has TONS of time to do so.  But he heasn't even come close for country.
Title: Re: Barca / Messi
Post by: Blue on January 04, 2012, 04:55:39 PM
Merge this to the right thread please...

Barca vs Osasuna on at the moment. Messi came on 15 minutes ago, and it has been one of the most beautiful spells of attacking football I have ever seen. It was 2-0 before he came on, he just made it 3-0 with a fantastic header....but some of the chances that have gone begging have been breathtaking. I know is just Osasuna but still...this is the best team ever, and he is the best player ever...I dont think Maradonna was ever as good as this.

The present seems to impact most people more forcefully hence statements as the one in bold...and the best team ever talk too.

Certainly Barca plays heavenly football and I'm tempted to say I have never seen football like theirs before...especially when they're on song.  But I've been fortunate to see Brazil 82 with Socrates, Eder, Falcao, Zico, Junior etc (who up to Barca was the best football I've ever seen), and Milan of Baresi, Gullit, Van Basten, Rijkaard, Donadoni etc.  Even Real Madrid with Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Zizou etc were majestic in their prime.  I remember them DESTROYING Man U home AND away in CL.  Just breathtaking football.  But I see Barca and I tend to forget about them....but if I go back to those games...the memories flood back.

Diego was not of this world with regards to football.  Neither was Pele.  Messi IS great.  Better than either of those 2?  I tempted to say yes....but DAMN.....this is club football.  He's yet to do it for country although he has TONS of time to do so.  But he heasn't even come close for country.

Personally, I think club football is where it's at nowadays, that's where the money is and that's where the best football is played. But I agree Messi has yet to perform on the international stage.

And by the way, the final score was 4-0, Messi scored again.
Title: Re: Barca / Messi
Post by: Observer on January 04, 2012, 05:01:07 PM
Merge this to the right thread please...

Barca vs Osasuna on at the moment. Messi came on 15 minutes ago, and it has been one of the most beautiful spells of attacking football I have ever seen. It was 2-0 before he came on, he just made it 3-0 with a fantastic header....but some of the chances that have gone begging have been breathtaking. I know is just Osasuna but still...this is the best team ever, and he is the best player ever...I dont think Maradonna was ever as good as this.

The present seems to impact most people more forcefully hence statements as the one in bold...and the best team ever talk too.

Certainly Barca plays heavenly football and I'm tempted to say I have never seen football like theirs before...especially when they're on song.  But I've been fortunate to see Brazil 82 with Socrates, Eder, Falcao, Zico, Junior etc (who up to Barca was the best football I've ever seen), and Milan of Baresi, Gullit, Van Basten, Rijkaard, Donadoni etc.  Even Real Madrid with Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Zizou etc were majestic in their prime.  I remember them DESTROYING Man U home AND away in CL.  Just breathtaking football.  But I see Barca and I tend to forget about them....but if I go back to those games...the memories flood back.

Diego was not of this world with regards to football.  Neither was Pele.  Messi IS great.  Better than either of those 2?  I tempted to say yes....but DAMN.....this is club football.  He's yet to do it for country although he has TONS of time to do so.  But he heasn't even come close for country.

Brazil 78 bro?? You sure about that. I would like to believe you meant Brazil 70.

Ajax early 70's, Santos in the 60's, come to mind as well.

You will have to say done it for his country at a Senior WC. He was outstanding at U20 and the Olympics  ;D

Having watched him on an almost weekly diet against some of the best players in the World at club level, I must admit he is remarkably consistent. Though it makes good rum shop talk, you really cannot compare era's. I just grateful I get to see him play and he will go down as the best of his generation.
Title: Re: Barca / Messi
Post by: palos on January 04, 2012, 05:07:20 PM
Brazil 78 bro?? You sure about that. I would like to believe you meant Brazil 70.

It was a typo and I changed it.  I meant Brazil 82.  Never really SAW Brazil 70.  Was too young at dat time but I'll take your word for it tho  ;D
Title: Re: Barca / Messi
Post by: Raul on January 04, 2012, 05:33:30 PM
Yawn... Wake me up when Messi does some noteworthy for Los Albacelestes...and when he doesn't have La Furia Roja passing the ball to him...
Title: Re: Barca / Messi
Post by: Sam on January 04, 2012, 06:18:49 PM
Brazil 78 bro?? You sure about that. I would like to believe you meant Brazil 70.

It was a typo and I changed it.  I meant Brazil 82.  Never really SAW Brazil 70.  Was too young at dat time but I'll take your word for it tho  ;D

Yuh lie Palos..... man say yuh ole like long time.  :rotfl:

I would say Maradonna is better that Messi.

Maradonna did it with both club and country and was basically a one man show, he alone could have changed an entire game and played even though he was surrounding back regular or basic type players especially for Argentina.

Messi is great too and his entire Barca teammate is great to, so he becomes better, they are strong and it gives Messi breathing space, same cannot be said when he plays for Argentina.
Title: Re: Barca / Messi
Post by: FF on January 04, 2012, 06:26:56 PM

Yuh lie Palos..... man say yuh ole like long time.  :rotfl:

I would say Maradonna is better that Messi.

Maradonna did it with both club and country and was basically a one man show, he alone could have changed an entire game and played even though he was surrounding back regular or basic type players especially for Argentina.

Messi is great too and his entire Barca teammate is great to, so he becomes better, they are strong and it gives Messi breathing space, same cannot be said when he plays for Argentina.

Messi could go to any side in de world and instantly make them much better... but could he go to an average team and win titles for them. I doubt it.

Maradona did that...
Title: Re: Barca / Messi
Post by: palos on January 04, 2012, 06:39:49 PM
Yuh lie Palos..... man say yuh ole like long time.  :rotfl:

Ssssssshhhhhh!!!  ;D

Happy New Year bro!
Title: Re: Barca / Messi
Post by: giggsy11 on January 04, 2012, 06:42:00 PM

Yuh lie Palos..... man say yuh ole like long time.  :rotfl:

I would say Maradonna is better that Messi.

Maradonna did it with both club and country and was basically a one man show, he alone could have changed an entire game and played even though he was surrounding back regular or basic type players especially for Argentina.

Messi is great too and his entire Barca teammate is great to, so he becomes better, they are strong and it gives Messi breathing space, same cannot be said when he plays for Argentina.

Messi could go to any side in de world and instantly make them much better... but could he go to an average team and win titles for them. I doubt it.

Maradona did that...

Agreed. Maradona just played his game no matter who he faced, who he played with and whatever the circumstances. He was always the dominating figure on the field. Doing so in the times when defenders were given the freedom to kick and chop down and refs letting most of it go. I didn't like some of his antics on the field but I truly respected how he refused to be denied when he played. Messi still young and that is what he has to aim for as he has lots of football left to play.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: 100% Barataria on January 04, 2012, 07:03:05 PM

Yuh lie Palos..... man say yuh ole like long time.  :rotfl:

I would say Maradonna is better that Messi.

Maradonna did it with both club and country and was basically a one man show, he alone could have changed an entire game and played even though he was surrounding back regular or basic type players especially for Argentina.

Messi is great too and his entire Barca teammate is great to, so he becomes better, they are strong and it gives Messi breathing space, same cannot be said when he plays for Argentina.

Messi could go to any side in de world and instantly make them much better... but could he go to an average team and win titles for them. I doubt it.

Maradona did that...

CR stop posting on this site!  :devil:

Joke aside, dais good talk w/Maradona, I think all this Messi talk will stop when he mash up wid Argentina, which is probably that far away
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: elan on January 04, 2012, 07:18:23 PM
Messi is the best, hands down. The fella have ah hunger that seems insatiable. You have never seen that in Zidane, Ronaldinho, a little in the Real Ronaldo and some what in Maradonna. I think it was in Pele when he was younger - like pre 20s. CRonaldo, just does not have it, it's either happening for him or it not.

Looking at Messi play is like looking at someone who is dying and desperately clinging to life. Like the minute he stops playing his life will end. It so intense and different. The level of defensive tactical organization is at an all time best right now and Messi is yet to be solved for.
Yes he has great passers behind him, yet no manager in the world will go onto the field with out a specific and detailed plan for Messi and for players supporting Messi. A team preparing to play Barca with Messi prepares a whole lot differently than if preparing to play the same Barca team without Messi.

How many times has Messi played without Xavi and Iniesta and still showed why he is the best? The fella is it as their is no current comparisons and the old comparisons goes as far as Messi hasn't won a WC.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: FF on January 04, 2012, 08:01:09 PM
Messi is the best, hands down. The fella have ah hunger that seems insatiable. You have never seen that in Zidane, Ronaldinho, a little in the Real Ronaldo and some what in Maradonna. I think it was in Pele when he was younger - like pre 20s. CRonaldo, just does not have it, it's either happening for him or it not.

Looking at Messi play is like looking at someone who is dying and desperately clinging to life. Like the minute he stops playing his life will end. It so intense and different. The level of defensive tactical organization is at an all time best right now and Messi is yet to be solved for.
Yes he has great passers behind him, yet no manager in the world will go onto the field with out a specific and detailed plan for Messi and for players supporting Messi. A team preparing to play Barca with Messi prepares a whole lot differently than if preparing to play the same Barca team without Messi.

How many times has Messi played without Xavi and Iniesta and still showed why he is the best? The fella is it as their is no current comparisons and the old comparisons goes as far as Messi hasn't won a WC.

Steups... you cyah be serious
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: elan on January 04, 2012, 10:15:48 PM
Messi is the best, hands down. The fella have ah hunger that seems insatiable. You have never seen that in Zidane, Ronaldinho, a little in the Real Ronaldo and some what in Maradonna. I think it was in Pele when he was younger - like pre 20s. CRonaldo, just does not have it, it's either happening for him or it not.

Looking at Messi play is like looking at someone who is dying and desperately clinging to life. Like the minute he stops playing his life will end. It so intense and different. The level of defensive tactical organization is at an all time best right now and Messi is yet to be solved for.
Yes he has great passers behind him, yet no manager in the world will go onto the field with out a specific and detailed plan for Messi and for players supporting Messi. A team preparing to play Barca with Messi prepares a whole lot differently than if preparing to play the same Barca team without Messi.

How many times has Messi played without Xavi and Iniesta and still showed why he is the best? The fella is it as their is no current comparisons and the old comparisons goes as far as Messi hasn't won a WC.

Steups... you cyah be serious

 :waiting: :waiting:
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Trinimassive on January 04, 2012, 10:19:41 PM
Messi is the best, hands down. The fella have ah hunger that seems insatiable. You have never seen that in Zidane, Ronaldinho, a little in the Real Ronaldo and some what in Maradonna. I think it was in Pele when he was younger - like pre 20s. CRonaldo, just does not have it, it's either happening for him or it not.

Looking at Messi play is like looking at someone who is dying and desperately clinging to life. Like the minute he stops playing his life will end. It so intense and different. The level of defensive tactical organization is at an all time best right now and Messi is yet to be solved for.
Yes he has great passers behind him, yet no manager in the world will go onto the field with out a specific and detailed plan for Messi and for players supporting Messi. A team preparing to play Barca with Messi prepares a whole lot differently than if preparing to play the same Barca team without Messi.

How many times has Messi played without Xavi and Iniesta and still showed why he is the best? The fella is it as their is no current comparisons and the old comparisons goes as far as Messi hasn't won a WC.

Steups... you cyah be serious

 :waiting: :waiting:

Ask Argentina.... :beermug:
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: ANC2 on January 05, 2012, 08:38:11 AM
So if man saying Messi have to do it at WC:

Why argue Ronaldinho better than both of dem.


WIN
WC, Copa America, Confederation Cup, UEFA Cup
Champions League, La Liga, Serie A

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Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Observer on March 08, 2012, 02:11:28 PM
Surprise no one eh give Messi a likkle write up after yesterday's performance. Well i for one  :notworthy: to the genius of the performance.
Sorry I run out of Adjectives for this man.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Toppa on March 08, 2012, 03:32:19 PM
Surprise no one eh give Messi a likkle write up after yesterday's performance. Well i for one  :notworthy: to the genius of the performance.
Sorry I run out of Adjectives for this man.

Couldn't find the right thread and didn't feel like making one.....thanks though.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: injunchile on March 09, 2012, 07:28:55 AM
The Jury is still out whether he is better than Maradona. I am a Maradona fan and I am very impressed with Messi. When he can do it with Argentina on the W/C stage. then I would say YES./
 Now he did score 3 against Switzerland. But Let us wait for the big dance .Best player on the planet at the moment= Without a doubt.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Peong on March 09, 2012, 08:20:25 AM
That was advantageous.  The man just passin he ball into the goal.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: kicker on March 09, 2012, 08:43:44 AM
Messi and the original Ronaldo (Brazil) are the two best ever...

better than Maradona and Pele...Only nostalgia getting in the way of people admitting that. 

If Messi win a World Cup, people will try to find something else to begrudge him. 
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: dinho on March 09, 2012, 09:21:23 AM
Messi and the original Ronaldo (Brazil) are the two best ever...

better than Maradona and Pele...Only nostalgia getting in the way of people admitting that. 

If Messi win a World Cup, people will try to find something else to begrudge him.

Agreed..

For me, Messi is the greatest ever hands down. Better than all the names you mention there.

Even if Messi doesn't win a World Cup i will still say he is the best ever. And if he does win, people will turn around and say that his success was largely because of being on such a great team like Barcelona.

The international game is so different and so much more competitive now than ever before, that it is difficult for one single player to almost single-handedly determine the outcome of a tournament like Pele and Maradona did.. Even someone with the prodiguous talent of Messi.

For one, there are no more walkover sides in international football as the last World Cup showed. Teams like North Korea, New Zealand and Algeria giving traditional superpower teams a run for it. Tactical advances and the across the board improvement in the global quality of players means any properly coached and constructed team with heart will be competitve.

Also, the prominence of club football over international today means that national teams are not together as much as before. It means that there is not as much as a defined system that they adhere too. Couple that with the fact that the best players are entrenched in the brand of their European clubs, it means that the style of many national teams are becoming less distinguishable as they converge to a center.

For example, the Brazil of today is much more of a European adaptation with less dependency on flair and raw talent. Players like Ramires, Lucas, Elano could have never seen Pele's brazilian team. Another example is, the Italy of today is also an adaptation with less dependency on catenaccio based defensive ethic.. They now run a 4-3-3 and cannot keep clean sheets. Spain's success is largely because they have wholesaled the best club in the world, Barcelona. Holland and Germany also don't play a brand that is as evidently Dutch or German as it used to be back in those days, and Argentina still can't figure out what they want to do.

I might have strayed, but the point is that Messi is hamstrung by the lack of identity in his national team and hamstrung by the ineptitude of his national team coaches.

To recap, Pekerman basically threw away Messi's first chance of winning a World Cup with Argentina by subbing off Riquelme and Tevez against Germany and leaving Messi on the bench allowing them to take the game. Then Maradona with his clueless self was never going to win the 2010 World Cup with his questionable selections and even more questionable system. And then the last coach was trying to xerox Barcelona's system to accomodate Messi, but was trying to do so with players who simply do not fit and could not execute. Add in the sub-standard defenders on that team and it is unrealistic to expect Messi to do it on his own.

So lack of international success is not just about Messi. Until he gets a proper coach who can implement a system that best suits the talent that Argentina have at their disposal, Argentina will not win anything just from Messi carrying the side on his back a la Maradona '86.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: kicker on March 09, 2012, 10:01:36 AM
I still have a slight bias to Ronaldo (Brazil)... I never see another pure center forward no. 9 do what he did...  People memory of him is post injuries (injuries that woulda normally ended careers)...Before his injuries he was doing things I never see anybody do... anybody!!! - He had the same cut and thrust of Messi with alot more tricks and same if not better finishing ....after injur(ies) he lost a few steps and gained some weight....and he STILL transformed his game to be the most feared goal scorer on the planet... He was special.

Rationally speaking Messi is the best, but in my heart R9 untouchable.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Brej on March 09, 2012, 11:23:13 AM
Messi is the best, hands down. The fella have ah hunger that seems insatiable. You have never seen that in Zidane, Ronaldinho, a little in the Real Ronaldo and some what in Maradonna. I think it was in Pele when he was younger - like pre 20s. CRonaldo, just does not have it, it's either happening for him or it not.

Looking at Messi play is like looking at someone who is dying and desperately clinging to life. Like the minute he stops playing his life will end. It so intense and different. The level of defensive tactical organization is at an all time best right now and Messi is yet to be solved for.
Yes he has great passers behind him, yet no manager in the world will go onto the field with out a specific and detailed plan for Messi and for players supporting Messi. A team preparing to play Barca with Messi prepares a whole lot differently than if preparing to play the same Barca team without Messi.

How many times has Messi played without Xavi and Iniesta and still showed why he is the best? The fella is it as their is no current comparisons and the old comparisons goes as far as Messi hasn't won a WC.

Steups... you cyah be serious

u clearly doh watch football....
all this xavi iniesta bull has to stop....
Messi de best ever hands down
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Toppa on March 09, 2012, 11:26:18 AM
Is all dem hormone injections...
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: injunchile on March 09, 2012, 11:56:01 AM
He close to the center of gravity. Like Lara and Tendulka
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Touches on March 09, 2012, 12:17:08 PM
ALyuh ever think is because alyuh have cable in yuh house and internet now that the messi argument skewed.

Now yuh could make you tube clip and watch it over and over and bawl wheyyyyy.

In the Pele and Maradonna days it was radio and papers you had to go on and if you did see them in action on TV it was limited.

I sure dem men dish out more beat and do all kinda ting that most of us never see and young fellas now cyar appreciate.

But....it can also hold true that because we ent see them much and had them under the microscope we give them a pips and keep the legend alive.

I will give Messi his pips...but until he doing what he doing with another team, I not giving him that Greatest Ever Rank.

I doubt he will ever leave Barca, but if he could do what he doing with another club team...then yuh know it is not a fluke and d man good. He doh ever look so for Argentina and it ent now he not doing it for dem. Barca and they touch and pass ball and the space they creating could make ANYBODY look good.

If Van Persie went Barca you ent think he go look better than he looking right now. Arsenal swinging hard on d man stones and yet he producing in spite of...Look how good Cesc fit een, not a injury, time and space to gallery heself.

Bring Messi BPL....he ent lasting no season and he cyar do what he doing in La Liga. Is relentless blade in he hobbit frame.

I ent giving Messi that pips over Zidane, Maradonna and Pele yet.....he by pass Ronaldinho but I still find Fat Boy Ronaldo on par if not better than him. Also is only because Cronaldo (the hen) have so much attitude and ego, but he is a boss player and proven, he right dey too.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: truetrini on March 09, 2012, 12:21:51 PM
where is disgruntled?
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Observer on March 09, 2012, 12:33:29 PM
I still have a slight bias to Ronaldo (Brazil)... I never see another pure center forward no. 9 do what he did...  People memory of him is post injuries (injuries that woulda normally ended careers)...Before his injuries he was doing things I never see anybody do... anybody!!! - He had the same cut and thrust of Messi with alot more tricks and same if not better finishing ....after injur(ies) he lost a few steps and gained some weight....and he STILL transformed his game to be the most feared goal scorer on the planet... He was special.

Rationally speaking Messi is the best, but in my heart R9 untouchable.

very special footballer indeed and certainly one of the greatest strikers. Never manage to win a CL, which is amazing when you think about his career, none the less a phenomenon.

PS: I do not buy the theory that Messi has to do it with another club team. Ronaldo, Maradona never achieved Europen/CL. Esuebio, Best, Cruyff, Zidane, deStefano, Muller, Beckenbauer only did it with one team.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on March 09, 2012, 12:49:51 PM
ALyuh ever think is because alyuh have cable in yuh house and internet now that the messi argument skewed.

Now yuh could make you tube clip and watch it over and over and bawl wheyyyyy.

In the Pele and Maradonna days it was radio and papers you had to go on and if you did see them in action on TV it was limited.

I sure dem men dish out more beat and do all kinda ting that most of us never see and young fellas now cyar appreciate.

But....it can also hold true that because we ent see them much and had them under the microscope we give them a pips and keep the legend alive.

I will give Messi his pips...but until he doing what he doing with another team, I not giving him that Greatest Ever Rank.

I doubt he will ever leave Barca, but if he could do what he doing with another club team...then yuh know it is not a fluke and d man good. He doh ever look so for Argentina and it ent now he not doing it for dem. Barca and they touch and pass ball and the space they creating could make ANYBODY look good.

If Van Persie went Barca you ent think he go look better than he looking right now. Arsenal swinging hard on d man stones and yet he producing in spite of...Look how good Cesc fit een, not a injury, time and space to gallery heself.

Bring Messi BPL....he ent lasting no season and he cyar do what he doing in La Liga. Is relentless blade in he hobbit frame.

I ent giving Messi that pips over Zidane, Maradonna and Pele yet.....he by pass Ronaldinho but I still find Fat Boy Ronaldo on par if not better than him. Also is only because Cronaldo (the hen) have so much attitude and ego, but he is a boss player and proven, he right dey too.

Allyuh rell like to f**k up CRonaldo eh lol.

All shit talk aside I watch a documentary ob CRon and honestly I don't think Messi could do half of what he capable of.  I also don't think Messi outclasses him as the clear standout best right now either.  If people are objective there is no way you can dismiss CRonaldo from this kind of argument.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: dinho on March 09, 2012, 01:00:42 PM

If Van Persie went Barca you ent think he go look better than he looking right now. Arsenal swinging hard on d man stones and yet he producing in spite of...Look how good Cesc fit een, not a injury, time and space to gallery heself.


Sidenote... If Van Persie go Barcelona he go be worse.

Not one player in the Wenger leave Barca and turn out better.. Henry, Adebayor, Hleb, Nasri, Flamini, Toure, Gallas... All of them ketching dey ass relatively.

Look at what happen to Henry and Ibrahimovic at Barca. Them fellas gone there with big reputation and wasn't in tune with the brand.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: dinho on March 10, 2012, 08:48:34 AM
Lionel Messi Greatest Player Ever (http://www.fastpasstv.ms/watch/?url=3uXn46ChlNTq3Nrf2JTV1NKj6%2BjepdqnzJ3kq9Pd)

Good documentary on Messi aired last week in the UK.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Cocorite on March 10, 2012, 10:33:30 AM

If Van Persie went Barca you ent think he go look better than he looking right now. Arsenal swinging hard on d man stones and yet he producing in spite of...Look how good Cesc fit een, not a injury, time and space to gallery heself.


Sidenote... If Van Persie go Barcelona he go be worse.

Not one player in the Wenger leave Barca and turn out better.. Henry, Adebayor, Hleb, Nasri, Flamini, Toure, Gallas... All of them ketching dey ass relatively.

Look at what happen to Henry and Ibrahimovic at Barca. Them fellas gone there with big reputation and wasn't in tune with the brand.

Interesting observation
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on March 10, 2012, 10:36:38 AM

If Van Persie went Barca you ent think he go look better than he looking right now. Arsenal swinging hard on d man stones and yet he producing in spite of...Look how good Cesc fit een, not a injury, time and space to gallery heself.


Sidenote... If Van Persie go Barcelona he go be worse.

Not one player in the Wenger leave Barca and turn out better.. Henry, Adebayor, Hleb, Nasri, Flamini, Toure, Gallas... All of them ketching dey ass relatively.

Look at what happen to Henry and Ibrahimovic at Barca. Them fellas gone there with big reputation and wasn't in tune with the brand.

Cesc is not ketching his arse at Barca.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Observer on March 10, 2012, 12:04:49 PM

If Van Persie went Barca you ent think he go look better than he looking right now. Arsenal swinging hard on d man stones and yet he producing in spite of...Look how good Cesc fit een, not a injury, time and space to gallery heself.


Sidenote... If Van Persie go Barcelona he go be worse.

Not one player in the Wenger leave Barca and turn out better.. Henry, Adebayor, Hleb, Nasri, Flamini, Toure, Gallas... All of them ketching dey ass relatively.

Look at what happen to Henry and Ibrahimovic at Barca. Them fellas gone there with big reputation and wasn't in tune with the brand.

Cesc is not ketching his arse at Barca.

True! But cesc just went home  ;D
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: giggsy11 on March 13, 2012, 08:27:34 AM
The number one thing I like about Messi; is his attitude! He doen't act like a prima donna, no self promoting and he just lets his skills do the talking!
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Jah Gol on March 13, 2012, 09:19:58 AM
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02166/messi_2166331b.jpg)
I have seen everything now. Even as a goalkeeper he does well this little phenomenon.
- Carles Puyol

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/players/lionel-messi/9140683/Lionel-Messi-shows-off-goalkeeping-skills-during-Barcelona-training-session.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/players/lionel-messi/9140683/Lionel-Messi-shows-off-goalkeeping-skills-during-Barcelona-training-session.html)
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Big Magician on March 13, 2012, 12:47:28 PM
happy to see him in my life time...thanks
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 13, 2012, 05:35:24 PM
....why dah pic lookin' like a photoshop job so?
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: elan on March 20, 2012, 09:08:13 PM
No love for Messi.............
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: elan on March 20, 2012, 09:11:21 PM
Messi breaks Barcelona record (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1037988/lionel-messi-breaks-barcelona-goalscoring-record?cc=5901)
March 20, 2012
By ESPNsoccernet staff


Barcelona forward Lionel Messi broke the club's all-time goalscoring record of 232 on Tuesday night in style.

Previous leader Cesar Rodriguez was thought to have scored 235 official goals for the Blaugrana but that has now been amended to 232 after a study removed three goals attributed to him.

And Messi wasted no time in overhauling the milestone at the age of 24 - having scored an incredible 48 goals in 40 games for the Catalan giants this season, including eight hat-tricks - with another treble in a 5-3 win against Granada.

The three-time FIFA World Player of the Year slotted home Isaac Cuenca's cross in the 17th minute and then secured the record outright in the 68th minute when he lobbed the ball over Granada goalkeeper Julio Cesar, before rounding the keeper late on for his third.

Manager Pep Guardiola said after the game: Guardiola said: "You have few players who dominate like this, but he does it. You can compare him perfectly to [basketball legend Michael] Jordan.

"The day that Leo Messi overcame Cesar, we've had a game from that era. Leo has entered history. Those who knew Cesar have told me that he was exceptional.

"I want to thank the team for overcoming all adversity and this guy who is continuing to make history.

"It's all been said before about Messi. He doesn't only score goals, he scores great goals; each one is better than the last. We are seeing the very best in action.

"I'm sorry for those who try to take his throne but this kid is different, better, we are excited to have him."

Rodriguez's goals came in the early 1950s and although he currently holds the record in official matches, Paulino Alcantara has the overall record of 369 goals in 357 official and friendly games..

Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: elan on March 20, 2012, 09:19:46 PM
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll314/Chunkycj/141634385.jpg)
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 21, 2012, 06:22:02 AM
No love for Messi.............

Messi cyah geh no love roung here as long as metronaldo can play the beautiful game the way he does....yuh eh see all dem step-overs and fancy flicks he does do wit he foot?  And he back-heelin' to score and ting?  Tchuh! Messi cyah do dem ting horse so he hadda ride out!
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Jah Gol on March 21, 2012, 07:00:57 AM
The kind of form he is in makes studying strategy pointless. Barca is going to win the Champions League once Messi is fit. Messi is so good that saying he the best in the world has become an understatement.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: FF on March 21, 2012, 08:20:15 AM
Barcelona is garbage and Messi is sh!t  :P

... but ah have ah sorf spot for a few of dey fans and also la liga so allyuh enjoy

All 234 of Messi's goals (14 mins of wow)

http://www.youtube.com/v/CYLtOzHZFAc
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on March 21, 2012, 08:23:51 AM
I doh like Barca and i doh like Messi, but it hurts to admit the man is something of genius, after i saw him Cap the Arsenal keeper last year in CL then score , at such a close range that did it for me.

Lawd
http://www.youtube.com/v/XoCufP8nOSQ
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Observer on March 21, 2012, 09:56:13 AM
Not a matter of liking Barca or Messi. Its a love for football and what we witnessing
is nothing short of genius.
48 Goals in 40 games with 8 hattricks spiced with a bouquet of style. Many thanks and nuff respect  :notworthy:
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Toppa on March 21, 2012, 10:08:18 AM
*yawns pointedly*
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Big Magician on March 21, 2012, 11:39:25 AM
all rise
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Mango Chow! on March 21, 2012, 03:52:16 PM
I doh like Barca and i doh like Messi, but it hurts to admit the man is something of genius, after i saw him Cap the Arsenal keeper last year in CL then score , at such a close range that did it for me.

Lawd
http://www.youtube.com/v/XoCufP8nOSQ

Dat was nasty what he did to Almunia.  Pure genius, incredible composure.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Raul on March 21, 2012, 08:33:46 PM
232 goals and 231 of them with the left foot?
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Observer on May 07, 2012, 07:36:15 AM
What a spectacular season 50 Goals in La Liga  :applause: 72 Goals overall and still games to play  :notworthy:

Messi and Ronaldo are two remarkable footballers in this era.  :applause:
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: boss on May 07, 2012, 08:46:35 AM
Pele interview in GQ  :beermug: :

Quote
"Are there any current players," I ask (you somehow just can't help it) "with the quality of a Cruyff, a Zidane, or a Best?"

"No. I don't see anybody who is at that level. Those players you mention all had extraordinary skill, two great feet, and they were all good in the air."

"Messi?"

"Well, Lionel Messi is a wonderful player. Very skilful. Highly intel­ligent. He is not good in the air." And Messi, he adds, is not equally comfortable with either foot. "But Messi is the best we have in the modern age."

Full: http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/entertainment/articles/2012-05/04/pele-interview-football-messi-fifa-racism
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Raul on May 07, 2012, 05:10:26 PM
Pele also said in another interview - "check him back (Pele) when Messi wins a world cup"... About 2-3 months ago... Can't remember the source though...
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: palos on May 07, 2012, 05:25:50 PM
Before the 2002 world cup in South Korea/Japan, Pele also said Nicky Butt was the world's best player
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: palos on May 07, 2012, 05:28:43 PM
Quote
"No. I don't see anybody who is at that level. Those players you mention all had extraordinary skill, two great feet, and they were all good in the air."

"Messi?"

"Well, Lionel Messi is a wonderful player. Very skilful. Highly intel­ligent. He is not good in the air." And Messi, he adds, is not equally comfortable with either foot.
I'd like to see Cruyff, Zidane, or Best (all magnificent players) consistently chip goalkeepers in full stride with their non dominant foot.  Probably one of the most difficult skills to accomplish in a game under pressure.

Not saying they haven't done it.  But consistently?
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Mango Chow! on May 08, 2012, 08:22:39 AM
Quote
"No. I don't see anybody who is at that level. Those players you mention all had extraordinary skill, two great feet, and they were all good in the air."

"Messi?"

"Well, Lionel Messi is a wonderful player. Very skilful. Highly intel­ligent. He is not good in the air." And Messi, he adds, is not equally comfortable with either foot.
I'd like to see Cruyff, Zidane, or Best (all magnificent players) consistently chip goalkeepers in full stride with their non dominant foot.  Probably one of the most difficult skills to accomplish in a game under pressure.

Not saying they haven't done it.  But consistently?

To be honest with you, I could really see any of them men doin' it consistently.....but I do agree, Messi does do dat so regular....and he does do it all how...the other day ah see him chip the ball back across the 'keeper, a defender and against his own run of play.  Ah could only shake meh head.

As great as Pele is and as much respect as we all would have for him, sometims I really wish he would just fall back and (STFU!) be quiet. He acts as is his legacy, a legacy way beyond reproach, is always under attack.  I really don't see that the people that are lavishing praise upon Messi, are quite comparing his accomplishments to those of Pale and Maradonna.  But he should be gracious enough to recognize Messi's own artistic greatness.  But if "Messi" is a word that doesn't belong in the same conversation as "Pele" and "Maradonna" then he shouldn't be talking about Best or Cruyff in the same conversation as Zidane, much less, using all three in the same group and a staandard for greatness.

Ah does really laugh at people that does (still) say that Messi "is not a good header of the ball."  Rio Ferdinand and Edwin van Der Saar would be the first ones to dispute that as first-hand witnesses.

But, so far, I do agree with ONE thing Pele said, though...:"Ronaldo is... avery goodplayer. In the same way that David Beckham was a very good player."  He eh lie 'bout dah one!  :D
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2012, 10:03:58 AM
Not to hijack the thread. The funny thing about Zizou is that during WC 1998 he was being highly criticized (by media, especially French media) for his poor performances in the games.  So much so he crack and get a Red vs Saudi Arabia. Came back for the Italy game and still was not at his best against both Italy and Croatia (decent 1st half, but not majestic). Then came the final and the rest is history. History will remember Zidane at the WC for the final, but the truth of the matter is he did not dominate that WC and show his true talent.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Mango Chow! on May 08, 2012, 10:26:20 AM
Not to hijack the thread. The funny thing about Zizou is that during WC 1998 he was being highly criticized (by media, especially French media) for his poor performances in the games.  So much so he crack and get a Red vs Saudi Arabia. Came back for the Italy game and still was not at his best against both Italy and Croatia (decent 1st half, but not majestic). Then came the final and the rest is history. History will remember Zidane at the WC for the final, but the truth of the matter is he did not dominate that WC and show his true talent.

As a matter of fact, his entire WC resume isn't that good but to tell me that he wouldn'ta been able to be mentioned among the "greats" had FRANCE not won a WC is just  :bs:  Lev Yashin never won a WC and Gordon Banks wasn't saving for England when they chbeat Germany in the final in '66 nor has Peter Schmeichel, Edwin van Der Saar, Walter Zenga or Michel Preud'homme saved well enough to win a WC for their respective countries.  Does that mean that none of them were as good as Sepp Maier? Or does it mean that Brazil's WC-winning Felix from 1970 actually was?
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: kicker on May 08, 2012, 10:43:18 AM
Not to hijack the thread. The funny thing about Zizou is that during WC 1998 he was being highly criticized (by media, especially French media) for his poor performances in the games.  So much so he crack and get a Red vs Saudi Arabia. Came back for the Italy game and still was not at his best against both Italy and Croatia (decent 1st half, but not majestic). Then came the final and the rest is history. History will remember Zidane at the WC for the final, but the truth of the matter is he did not dominate that WC and show his true talent.

I've made this point to many people and they tell me I talkin' mess.

Zidane only played well in WC 2006 (particularly the knockout phase), until he butt down Materazzi.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Peong on May 08, 2012, 11:33:21 AM
Besides Ronaldo, very few players play their best in a World Cup in the modern game.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Mango Chow! on May 08, 2012, 11:51:19 AM
Besides Ronaldo, very few players play their best in a World Cup in the modern game.

very true.....what people have to realize is that, at the end of the day, despite whatever individual brillinace any player can put on on any given day or tournament, (like Toto Schillacci) it is still a team sport.  Men like Socrates and Zico NEVER won a WC.  Where does that leave them in the conversation of being heralded among the greats? They don't belong in that conversation? (Neither does Platini?) Isn't that '82 team generally regarded as one of the best ever WC teams?  People just need to recognize Messi's greatness and stop the stupid counter-arguing. 
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: dinho on May 08, 2012, 11:58:28 AM
Not to hijack the thread. The funny thing about Zizou is that during WC 1998 he was being highly criticized (by media, especially French media) for his poor performances in the games.  So much so he crack and get a Red vs Saudi Arabia. Came back for the Italy game and still was not at his best against both Italy and Croatia (decent 1st half, but not majestic). Then came the final and the rest is history. History will remember Zidane at the WC for the final, but the truth of the matter is he did not dominate that WC and show his true talent.

Great point.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Observer on May 08, 2012, 02:53:09 PM
Not to hijack the thread. The funny thing about Zizou is that during WC 1998 he was being highly criticized (by media, especially French media) for his poor performances in the games.  So much so he crack and get a Red vs Saudi Arabia. Came back for the Italy game and still was not at his best against both Italy and Croatia (decent 1st half, but not majestic). Then came the final and the rest is history. History will remember Zidane at the WC for the final, but the truth of the matter is he did not dominate that WC and show his true talent.

I've made this point to many people and they tell me I talkin' mess.

Zidane only played well in WC 2006 (particularly the knockout phase), until he butt down Materazzi.

Kicker i watch every France game recently and against South Africa Zizou was ok and Croatia first half, that is it.

On another note Esuebio will always live in the shadow of Pele & deStafano, but he was majestic at the European Cup level and had  a memorable WC 1966. And YES his name deserves to be mentioned above many as GREAT
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: 100% Barataria on May 08, 2012, 06:04:59 PM
Observer, you see Eusebio play live dread?  Would have loved to see some of him live myself
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Observer on May 09, 2012, 06:36:04 AM
Observer, you see Eusebio play live dread?  Would have loved to see some of him live myself

Lucky enough to say yes. As a matter of fact lucky enough to see all the greats live with the exception of those from the DeStefano, Puskas
era (and before). Even though some were past their truly best.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: D.H.W on May 09, 2012, 07:15:33 AM
Besides Ronaldo, very few players play their best in a World Cup in the modern game.

Ronaldo = Legend  :beermug:
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: kicker on May 09, 2012, 07:30:51 AM
Besides Ronaldo, very few players play their best in a World Cup in the modern game.

And even that was when he was past his best.  Post-surgery Ronaldo was not the same player.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: boss on May 09, 2012, 10:09:50 AM
Messi at the centre of race storm as axed Everton ace Drenthe accuses Barca star (Daily Mail)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2141696/Lionel-Messi-race-row-Royston-Drenthe.html
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: kaliman2006 on May 10, 2012, 01:14:15 PM
Messi at the centre of race storm as axed Everton ace Drenthe accuses Barca star (Daily Mail)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2141696/Lionel-Messi-race-row-Royston-Drenthe.html

I just read it today.I am not sure what to make of it. I will have to wait to hear further details. For now it's a case of one player's word against another's.
Title: Messi all stars
Post by: fari on June 16, 2012, 06:28:19 PM
who watching this game on fsc now?  messi's all stars vs mexican league all stars


robinho, messi, lavezzi, diego, alexis sanchez among others sweating for messi side...ooweee!
Title: Re: Messi all stars
Post by: fari on June 16, 2012, 07:04:32 PM
3-1 halftime.  messi scored the 3rd goal, but it look a shade offiside.  also sanchez on the bench as is gio dos santos and a few others.  game going decent, reall touches between messi, diego lavezzi and robinho in and around the box
Title: Re: Messi all stars
Post by: fari on June 16, 2012, 07:33:11 PM
darwin quinteros now turn up materazzi and score a golazo boy..lord
Title: Re: Messi all stars
Post by: fari on June 16, 2012, 07:37:26 PM
gio dos santos now come on...if u hear the girls scream
Title: Re: Messi all stars
Post by: fari on June 16, 2012, 07:44:31 PM
ariel ortega come on for messi side..whey dey find he from?
Title: Re: Messi all stars
Post by: fari on June 16, 2012, 08:09:09 PM
de all stars take it 5-3.  messi playing next week n some legends game.  go take that in
Title: Re: Messi all stars
Post by: Tallman on June 24, 2012, 08:41:21 AM
Ah went tuh dis game yesterday. Was very entertaining. Plenty goals, plenty skills, plenty rain, plenty girls. De score end up 7-7, with Messi and Suarez scoring hat-tricks.

Partial ineups

Masters: Jose Manuel Pinto (GK), Alessandro Nesta, Ezequiel Lavezzi, Marek Hamsik, Javier Mascherano, Lionel Messi, Diego Milito, Didier Drogba, Dani Alves, Ariel Ortega, Salomon Rondon
Coach: Dunga

Stars: Guillermo Ochoa (GK), Fabio Cannavaro, Marco Materazzi, Clarence Seedorf, Edinson Cavani, Nene, Luis Suarez, Diego Forlan, Radamel Falcao, Carlos Bocangera, Maurice Edu, Jozy Altidore
Coach: Fabio Capello
Title: Re: Messi all stars
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 24, 2012, 09:25:32 AM
Ah went tuh dis game yesterday. Was very entertaining. Plenty goals, plenty skills, plenty rain, plenty girls. De score end up 7-7, with Messi and Suarez scoring hat-tricks.

Partial ineups

Masters: Jose Manuel Pinto (GK), Alessandro Nesta, Ezequiel Lavezzi, Marek Hamsik, Javier Mascherano, Lionel Messi, Diego Milito, Didier Drogba, Dani Alves, Ariel Ortega, Salomon Rondon
Coach: Dunga

Stars: Guillermo Ochoa (GK), Fabio Cannavaro, Marco Materazzi, Clarence Seedorf, Edinson Cavani, Nene, Luis Suarez, Diego Forlan, Radamel Falcao, Carlos Bocangera, Maurice Edu, Jozy Altidore
Coach: Fabio Capello

like they rel run outta big players to appear boy ::).  WDF edu, bocanegra and altidore doin' dey?!
Title: Re: Messi all stars
Post by: Peong on June 24, 2012, 09:50:52 AM
Ah went tuh dis game yesterday. Was very entertaining. Plenty goals, plenty skills, plenty rain, plenty girls. De score end up 7-7, with Messi and Suarez scoring hat-tricks.

Partial ineups

Masters: Jose Manuel Pinto (GK), Alessandro Nesta, Ezequiel Lavezzi, Marek Hamsik, Javier Mascherano, Lionel Messi, Diego Milito, Didier Drogba, Dani Alves, Ariel Ortega, Salomon Rondon
Coach: Dunga

Stars: Guillermo Ochoa (GK), Fabio Cannavaro, Marco Materazzi, Clarence Seedorf, Edinson Cavani, Nene, Luis Suarez, Diego Forlan, Radamel Falcao, Carlos Bocangera, Maurice Edu, Jozy Altidore
Coach: Fabio Capello

I goin to the Chelsea - AC Milan game in July.  You goin to that one?
Title: Re: Messi all stars
Post by: Raul on June 24, 2012, 05:21:58 PM
Imagine all Messi's European contemporaries shining on the one of the world's biggest stages right now... and he playing fete match in Miami in half-empty stadia... Ah feel sorry for these Non-european stars during the European Championships... It's like the world forgets that they exist..
Title: Re: Messi all stars
Post by: elan on June 24, 2012, 06:06:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/2UK-7I8r5j4&feature=related
Title: Re: Messi all stars
Post by: Tallman on June 24, 2012, 06:12:37 PM
I goin to the Chelsea - AC Milan game in July.  You goin to that one?

Yeh, my ticket buy long time.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Flex on February 11, 2013, 03:26:46 PM
Lionel Messi added to the Spanish dictionary
Posted by Chris Wright


Not only is Lionel Messi rewriting the history books, but he's also doing the same to Spanish dictionaries.

Aside from breaking and subsequently re-breaking every single footballing record every time he waltzes onto a pitch, the fine polka dot suits and having Ballon d'Ors on tap, Lionel Messi has now had his very own adjective added to the Spanish dictionary -- a word that's sole application is to describe just how bloody amazing Lionel Messi is.

The word in question is "inmessionante", and is defined in the dictionary thus...

1.) The perfect way to play football, an unlimited ability to self-improve.

2.) Describes the best player of all time.

Can we use that in a sentence? Of course we can: "Lionel Messi is very inmessionante." Hope that helps.

Think of it as a direct antonym for "Titusbramble-ism."

(Via Sportige)

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Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Flex on February 26, 2013, 04:39:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW92dxKHBj8

Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 12, 2013, 11:56:41 AM
Prosecutor brings $5M tax-fraud case against Messi
By HAROLD HECKLE (Associated Press) | The Associated Press


MADRID (AP) -- A Spanish prosecutor filed a fraud complaint Wednesday against Lionel Messi, alleging the Barcelona and Argentina star owes $5.3 million in back taxes.

The complaint names Messi and his father, Jorge Horacio Messi. Both are accused of defrauding millions on income tax returns for 2007, 2008 and 2009.

''We are surprised,'' Messi said on his Facebook account, ''because we have never committed any infringement. We have always fulfilled all our tax obligations, following the advice of our tax consultants who will take care of clarifying this situation.''

The complaint, signed by prosecutor Raquel Amado, was submitted for trial at the courthouse in Gava, the upscale Barcelona suburb where the Argentina forward lives.

In it, Amado says from 2006-2009 Messi ''obtained significant revenue derived from the transfer to third parties of his image rights, income which should have been taxed.''

The complaint says Messi ''circumvented his tax obligations'' by using shell companies in tax havens such as Belize and Uruguay.

A judge at the courthouse must accept the prosecutor's complaint before charges can be brought against Messi and his father.

Messi is rated by Forbes as the world's 10th highest-paid athlete. He reportedly earned $41.3 million to June this year, with $20.3 coming from his club salary and $21 million in endorsements.

Sports finance analyst at the University of Navarra, professor Sandalio Gomez, said if found guilty of evading tax on his image rights, Messi could be liable for a fine amounting to 150 percent of the earnings concealed.

Gregor Reiter, a German attorney specializing in sports law, said Messi's difficulties show ''how important it is for athletes to have excellent and highly-trained counselors and agents'' to handle their financial affairs. Player payments often travel across international borders and complicate tax assessments.

Messi had the day off Wednesday after playing for his national team in Quito, where Argentina was held to a 1-1 tie with Ecuador on Tuesday night in a qualifying match for the World Cup.

Argentina coach Alejandro Sabella has said Messi was expected to be in the lineup for an exhibition against Guatemala on Friday.
Barcelona declined to comment on the complaint.

Messi signed a two-year contract extension with Barcelona in February that keeps him at the club through June 2018 - when he will be 31. He joined Barcelona when he was 13, and made his debut with the first team three years later.

The 25-year-old Messi has won four straight FIFA world player of the year awards. He has scored 133 goals for Barcelona over the last two seasons.

The forward scored 60 goals in all competitions this season, leading Barcelona to the Spanish league title. With Messi struggling to recover from a leg injury, Barcelona was eliminated from the Champions League in the semifinals.

Spain has been cracking down on tax evasion as it tries to repair the country's public finances amid the recession and collapse of its real estate sector.

Finance Minister Cristobal Montoro warned soccer players in April they should make sure they are ''comfortable'' with their tax affairs.
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Associated Press writer Barry Hatton in Lisbon, Portugal, contributed to this report.

Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Flex on June 24, 2013, 07:39:36 AM
Lionel Messi pays €10m in back taxes
By ESPNFC.com news services


Barcelona striker Lionel Messi, who is under investigation in Spain for tax fraud allegations, paid €10 million ($13.1 million) to the Spanish tax authorities to correct tax returns for 2010 and 2011, according to Spanish media reports.

The news, reported by La Vanguardia newspaper and citing unnamed sources, comes one week after Messi and his father, Jorge Messi, were summoned to a September 17 court date complaint alleging that the duo defrauded the Spanish tax office of €4 million earned from image rights on Messi's income tax returns from the years 2007, 2008 and 2009.

Messi in recent days made the €10 million payment to the Spanish tax authorities for "image rights income," La Vanguardia reported on Monday, adding that a source told the newspaper Messi seeks a deal that would allow him to clarify what occurred over the three years in question.

Messi has denied wrongdoing. He has received public backing from Barcelona club president Sandro Rosell and former president Joan Laporta, who was in charge during the years of the alleged fraud.

The 25-year-old Messi is widely considered the best player of his generation and one of the best in history after winning an unprecedented four straight FIFA World Player of the Year awards.

Messi, who is rated by Forbes as the world's 10th highest-paid athlete, reportedly earned $41.3 million to June this year; with $20.3 million coming from his club salary and $21 million in endorsements.

State prosecutor Raquel Amado alleges that from 2006-09 Messi "obtained significant revenue derived from the transfer to third parties of his image rights, income which should have been taxed."

Messi is not the first athlete to be investigated in Spain for taxes.

Last year former Portugal star Luis Figo was forced to pay €2.45 million in income tax pertaining to image rights from 1997-99 while playing for Barcelona. In 2009, former top-ranked women's player Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario had to pay millions in back taxes.

Messi leads an apparently quiet life focused on his family - he became a father last year - and is a universally liked figure in Spain and abroad. He has scored 133 goals for Barcelona over the last two seasons and helped it win its fourth Spanish league title in five seasons this year.

Spain has been cracking down on tax evasion as it fights to repair the country's public finances amid recession and the collapse of its once-booming real estate sector.

The country has been further hurt by a series of corruption and financial fraud cases which until now had been limited to the worlds of business and politics.

Title: Soccer-loving pope cheers Messi, other players
Post by: rotatopoti3 on August 14, 2013, 02:01:42 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/soccer-loving-pope-cheers-messi-other-players-143302145.html

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis cheered fellow Argentine Lionel Messi and other soccer stars Tuesday as he led a morality-focused pep rally of sorts at the Vatican for Argentina and Italy's national teams ahead of their eagerly awaited friendly match.

Francis, the first pontiff from Latin America, is an avid soccer fan who roots for the Saints of San Lorenzo back in Buenos Aires. Since his election as pope in March he has accumulated a growing collection of soccer jerseys tossed to him by fans at his public appearances. He got two more on Tuesday: an Argentine and an Italian team jersey, each one signed by the players.

Barcelona star Messi, his teammates on the Argentine national soccer squad, as well as Italy's national team players were treated to a private audience with Francis in the Apostolic Palace ahead of Wednesday's rare match, which is being played in tribute to the new pope.

Francis gracefully dodged the question of whether he'd offer a papal blessing for his home country's team. "It will really be a bit difficult for me to root, but luckily it's a friendly match" whose outcome doesn't count in the standings, he said.

The pontiff noted the influence of athletes, especially on youth, and told the players to remember that, "for better or worse" they are role models. "Dear players, you are very popular. People follow you, and not just on the field but also off it," he said. "That's a social responsibility."

The pope reminisced about going to soccer matches with his family as a youngster, and expressed concern about violence and discrimination in the sport, which he suggested keeps many families from attending the competitions today.

Many soccer matches in Europe have been marred by brawling among fans as well as racist chants against players of African and other descent.

One of Italy's national team members, Mario Balotelli, who is black and has been the target of fans' racism, was the only player to get private time with the pope. Francis and the striker spoke together in a small room off the sumptuous Clementine Hall where the audience was held.

A Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Ciro Benedettini, said Balotelli looked "emotional" after their talk but that the player declined to say what he discussed with Francis. On Monday, Balotelli remarked that perhaps the pope might offer him special greetings because of his birthday this week.

Italian national coach Claudio Cesare Prandelli said he didn't get the chance to invite Francis to Wednesday's game.

"He anticipated my question," Prandelli said after the gathering. "He said he has received so many requests" to attend the game, but indicated that the Vatican security apparatus gave the thumbs-down.

Prandelli said Francis told him that Vatican security officials scold him "for being so undisciplined," a reference to the pope's frequent breaches of protocol when he embraces the faithful in crowds or shuns bullet-proof vehicles.

The pope also asked the players to pray for him, "so that I, on the 'field' upon which God placed me, can play an honest and courageous game for the good of us all."

Such a plea made quite an impression on Italy's captain, goalkeeper Gianluigi Buffon, who handed Francis an autographed soccer ball.

"He's warmed up the hearts again of all the faithful who might have drifted away" from the church during past papacies, Buffon said. With "a pope who's like this, it's easier to become better."

Messi said there were so many people at the gathering that he didn't get any private time to talk with the pope, who vigorously shook hands with each player. But the Argentine striker, whose left leg muscle strain could force him to sit out Wednesday's match, seemed to take the pope's message about role models to heart.

"The best way to respond" to Francis' appeal is "to put on a clean show tomorrow, on the field and in the stands," he said.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Gauchita on January 08, 2014, 07:08:22 PM
Lots of pressure for Messi from Argentinians who somewhat feel cheated that Messi doesn't perform in the national team as good as he does in Barcelona. We want to see him scoring big in the World Cup, he seems to have more freedom now with regards to where exactly he feels comfortable playing but with his recent injuries I am not sure if he will be completely ready. I think the guy is fantastic, he isn't Diego though but still brilliant.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: sammy on January 09, 2014, 06:36:38 AM
because Messi and Barca are a perfect fit.

He has yet to prove his worth away from Barca. Dunno how men saying he is the best ever and is the most complete player etc...
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Tiresais on January 09, 2014, 07:49:51 AM
Messi can lay off balls and know someone's there because day-in day-out he's trained with them on the same system on the same pitch. This often doesn't transfer to the national team because they're thrown from very different systems with only a few days preparation
Title: Majesterial Messi
Post by: palos on May 31, 2015, 12:25:07 PM
http://youtu.be/kIGRss_F5r0
Title: Re: Majesterial Messi
Post by: 100% Barataria on May 31, 2015, 05:06:02 PM
Touche, impresionante, estupendo, de otra planeta
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: soccerman on July 06, 2016, 08:42:30 AM


Lionel Messi handed jail term in Spain for tax fraud
 
Argentina and Barcelona footballer Lionel Messi has been sentenced to 21 months in prison for tax fraud.

His father, Jorge Messi, was also given a jail term for defrauding Spain of €4.1m (£3.5m; $4.5m) between 2007 and 2009.

They also face millions of euros in fines for using tax havens in Belize and Uruguay to conceal earnings from image rights.

However, neither man is expected to serve time in jail.

Under the Spanish system, prison terms of under two years can be served under probation.

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Lionel Messi of FC Barcelona leaves the courthouse on 2 June 2016 in Barcelona, SpainImage copyright Getty Images
Image caption
The court case attracted an enormous amount of press and popular attention

The footballer and his father were found guilty of three counts of tax fraud in Wednesday's ruling by the court in Barcelona.

As well as the jail terms, Messi was fined about €2m and his father €1.5m. They made a voluntary €5m "corrective payment", equal to the alleged unpaid tax plus interest, in August 2013.

The sentence can be appealed against via the Spanish supreme court.


Lionel Messi's illustrious career:


Lionel Messi. File photoImage copyright AFP ◾Winner of Fifa Ballon d'Or as world's best footballer on five occasions
◾Voted Uefa best player in Europe three times
◾Uefa Champions League winner with FC Barcelona on four occasions
◾Spanish championship winner with FC Barcelona eight times
◾Olympic gold medallist with Argentina in 2008
◾Argentina's all-time leading scorer with 55 goals

...and major disappointments:
◾June 16 2016: quits Argentine team after missing penalty in shootout in Copa America final loss to Chile
◾it was fourth major final defeat for Argentina in nine years
◾other three losses: Copa America (2015) again to Chile (again on penalties); 2014 World Cup to Germany; Copa America (2007) against Brazil

Lionel Messi's career in photos

Messi statue unveiled in Buenos Aires


FC Barcelona's reaction

"FC Barcelona expresses its full support to Leo Messi and his father in relation to the conviction for tax fraud...

"The club... considers that the player, who has corrected his position with the Spanish tax office, is in no way criminally responsible with regards to the facts underlined in this case."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36721892
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on August 12, 2016, 01:45:33 PM
About turn. No great surprise. Guess Bauza's "conversation about football" was effective.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: palos on August 12, 2016, 03:47:31 PM
World football needs Messi
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: asylumseeker on August 14, 2016, 03:28:59 PM
Perhaps Messi should decline the captaincy, if Bauza has been tempted to offer it to him.

Viewing him now versus Sevilla. Let him enjoy his football without that responsibility.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Peong on August 14, 2016, 09:39:20 PM
Perhaps Messi should decline the captaincy, if Bauza has been tempted to offer it to him.

Viewing him now versus Sevilla. Let him enjoy his football without that responsibility.

I agree.
He show he's a baby when the going gets tough.
Masch should have been the captain all along.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Flex on May 09, 2017, 12:05:26 PM
The 'Iranian Messi': Barcelona star's lookalike taken to police station.
BBC.COM


An Iranian student had to be taken to a police station at the weekend - because he looks too much like Lionel Messi.

So many people in the city of Hamaden wanted a picture with Reza Parastesh that police took him to the station and impounded his car to stop the chaos.

The fuss started a few months ago when the Messi lookalike's dad made him pose in a number 10 Barcelona shirt.

The 25-year-old soon started cutting his hair and grooming his beard like the Argentina forward.

He told AFP: "Now people really see me as the Iranian Messi and want me to mimic everything he does. When I show up somewhere, people are really shocked.

"I'm really happy that seeing me makes them happy and this happiness gives me a lot of energy."

Parastesh is fully booked with media interviews and has even landed modelling contracts.

He also says that he is working on some football tricks so he can play the role better.

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Left, Reza Parastesh. Right, Lionel Messi. Or is it the other way round? You decide

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Parastesh finds himself constantly being asked for photos in his hometown of Hameden, Iran

Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: soccerman on May 09, 2017, 05:59:00 PM
Just saw this on tv, I and all get ketch
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: 100% Barataria on May 09, 2017, 07:05:51 PM
Wow
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Deeks on May 09, 2017, 10:26:47 PM
6 degress of Seperation.
Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Flex on February 06, 2020, 05:54:25 PM
Manchester City monitoring Messi situation after Barcelona row - sources
Rob Dawson
Correspondent


Manchester City are monitoring Lionel Messi's public fallout with Barcelona and believe they would be in the running if the Argentina star decides to leave Camp Nou, sources have told ESPN.

Messi has been involved in a row with Barcelona sporting director Eric Abidal over his claims players forced the dismissal of coach Ernesto Valverde.

The 32-year-old has a clause in his contract that would allow him to leave the club for free at the end of the season, although the full terms of the clause have not been made clear. Sources have told ESPN that while the clause is acknowledged, there is an acceptance on both sides Messi would not be allowed to leave for a rival, whether domestically or in the Champions League.

The Premier League holders privately admit his departure remains unlikely, but they would be interested if he decides to move either this summer or at the end of his current deal in 2021.

City maintain they would be at the head of the queue for Messi's signature because of his strong relationship with director of football Txiki Begiristain, chief executive Ferran Soriano and manager Pep Guardiola.

Together Messi and Guardiola won the Spanish title three times and the Champions League twice in four seasons at Camp Nou between 2008 and 2012. City are also one of only a handful of clubs who could afford Messi's wages of more £50 million a year.

Abidal, a former teammate of Messi's at Barcelona, said this week "a lot of players were not happy and did not work much" when discussing the sacking of Valverde.

It prompted Messi to hit back in a post on Instagram suggesting the Frenchman should name the players he felt had been involved in undermining the coach.

He wrote: "I honestly do not like to do this kind of thing but I think that everyone has to be responsible for their job and take responsibility for their decision.

"Players for what happens on the field, we are also the first to acknowledge when we don't play well."

Despite the acrimony on Tuesday, sources have told ESPN that Messi assured Barcelona president Josep Maria Bartomeu on Wednesday that he is happy to turn the page on the incident and focus on the club's targets on the pitch between now and the end of the season, when he will move into the final 12 months of his contract.

Earlier on Wednesday, Valverde's replacement Quique Setien was faced with a barrage of questions about how Messi's social media post could affect the team, who are three points behind Real Madrid at the top of La Liga and still in the Copa del Rey and the Champions League. He repeated that his only focus was the Athletic Bilbao game in the Copa del Rey on Thursday (streaming live at 3 p.m. ET on ESPN+), although he said he had briefly spoken about Tuesday's incident with his squad.

"These things don't affect me," he added. "I try to make sure they don't affect my players, either.

"We spoke about it for one minute earlier but that was all. What interests me is football. At any club of this size, there are problems, but they are not things I can control."

Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Flex on March 30, 2020, 12:01:15 PM
Messi confirms pay cut for Barca players, criticises board
Thomas ALLNUTT
AFP


Madrid (AFP) - Lionel Messi confirmed on Monday that Barcelona's players will take a 70 per cent pay cut and make financial contributions to ensure the club's other employees are paid in full during the state of alarm in Spain.

In a lengthy message posted on his Instagram account, Messi also took another swipe at the Barca board, led by president Josep Maria Bartomeu, whom he accused of undermining the players during recent negotiations.

Other Spanish clubs are expected to follow suit in applying temporary pay cuts, as football's hiatus due to the coronavirus pandemic leaves a number of them fighting for financial survival.

Atletico Madrid have said the club will impose salary reductions on staff whose hours have been affected while Espanyol have also confirmed pay cuts, although for sporting staff only.

"For our part, the time has come to announce that, as well as the reduction of 70 per cent of our salary during the State of Alarm, we will also make contributions so the club's employees can collect 100 per cent of their salary while this situation lasts," Messi wrote.

He added: "We want to clarify that our desire has always been to apply a drop in salary because we fully understand that this is an exceptional situation and we are the first ones who have ALWAYS helped the club when asked.

"Many times we have even done it on our own initiative when we thought it necessary or important.

"Therefore, it never ceases to amaze us that from within the club there were those who tried to put us under the magnifying glass and tried to add pressure to do something that we always knew we would do."

Messi's message was soon posted on the pages of nearly all of his Barcelona teammates, including Gerard Pique, Sergio Busquets, Luis Suarez, Jordi Alba, Antoine Griezmann, Frenkie de Jong, Arturo Vidal and Marc-Andre ter Stegen.

The relationship between Barca's players and board has been tense for several months, with Messi's public criticism of technical secretary Eric Abidal in February just one of a number of off-field controversies.

Barcelona released their own statement shortly afterwards on Monday, which said members of "all professional sports teams and most of the basketball team" had agreed to reduce their salaries.

It added: "In the case of the football first team the reduction will be more than 70 per cent as agreed with the club. This additional contribution by the team, plus the contribution from the club itself, will guarantee 100 per cent of the salaries of all non-sporting staff, who will be subjected to temporary redundancy this week."

Title: Re: Lionel Messi Thread.
Post by: Flex on December 19, 2020, 06:25:35 PM
Barcelona's Messi equals Pele goal tally in home draw vs. Valencia
ESPN


Lionel Messi equalled Pele's all-time record of 643 one-club goals as Barcelona dropped more points with a 2-2 draw against Valencia at Camp Nou on Saturday.

Valencia took the lead through Mouctar Diakhaby's header on 29 minutes, but Messi pulled Barca level deep into first-half stoppage time.

Referee Alejandro Hernandez Hernandez pointed to the spot and issued Valencia captain Jose Gaya a red card following a push on Antoine Griezmann in the box. However, after consulting with the VAR, he downgraded the card to a yellow.

Messi stepped up but saw his penalty saved by goalkeeper Jaume Domenech. Valencia failed to clear and Messi was on hand to head home his historic goal from close range. Pele scored 643 goals with Brazilian side Santos before a brief and memorable stint with the New York Cosmos.

Barca took the lead on 52 minutes, thanks to Ronald Araujo's acrobatic finish, but the home side were pegged back on 69 minutes as Maxi Gomez levelled for Valencia.

The result leaves Ronald Koeman's side eight points adrift of leaders Atletico Madrid, who have played a game less.

"It was a difficult game, we turned it around but then we needed to show more concentration," Koeman said after the match.

"We had some chances but we were not focused enough in key moments. We went out to win the game in the second half but we did not create as much as we wanted to."

The Dutch coach was particularly annoyed with how his side failed to pick up Diakhaby for the opening goal, saying they needed to focus more on defensive organisation due to their low average height.

"We have to know how many tall plays we have to defend against tall players. He [Diakhaby] was all alone when he jumped up to score. We have to defend better and mark our opponents more. We're smaller than most teams and we have problems at set pieces," he said.

"We gave an inconsistent performance. We attacked when we were 2-1 up but we also need to remember to defend. We lost the ball in dangerous areas."

However, he refused to rule his side out of the title race.

"The age of the players also has an influence, sometimes doubt can set in. The young players need to mature," he said.

"We still haven't said farewell to the title, there's still a lot of points to play for. It's a very difficult season but in two months everything could be different. We have to fight to get these points back."

Koeman has put his faith in a number of young players this season such as Pedri, Oscar Mingueza, Sergino Dest and Araujo, but he said the team's lack of experience was affecting their results.

"We're feeling bitter because we really wanted the three points, it's a real shame they equalised," goalscorer Araujo said after the match.

"We made some mistakes in defence which we cannot afford to make and it's very frustrating because we had lots of chances but the ball wouldn't go in."

Information from Reuters was used in this report

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