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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: asylumseeker on January 03, 2008, 08:31:40 PM
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Ah jes ranting. Dahs all ah wanted to say. :)
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Ah jes ranting. Dahs all ah wanted to say. :)
:D
.....I feel yuh should support Hilly,,cause if obama end up anyway close to the brass ring, de poor fellah might end up makin ALL he speech from behind bomb proof pexiglass
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Better that than Hilly
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aye Seeker
so you tellin me dat you would buy dis product den (http://www.prankplace.com/images/rudetp/hillary_tp.jpg)
personally, I feel she go clean up :devil:
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Where do you find these things? ... hahahaha
Oh gorm WC lehme enjoy de moment nah before ah hadda deal with other reality ... she ent done yet ... ah know ... one can only hope.
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Where do you find these things? ... hahahaha
ya check it out TOO SOON ;D
here is de REAL one (http://www.prankplace.com/images/hillarynut/HCracker.gif) :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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ah can only imagine what Barack's look like ...
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ah can only imagine what Barack's look like ...
funny, buh I have not found anyting racy (excuse de pun) about Obama as yet ;)
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ah see all dem Evangelicial run behind Huckabee... that man does scare me yes. and where are dem Ron Paul supporters? de man end up like Snakes on a Plane, sensational on the internet but a buss in reality/
good job Obama, lol@hillary.
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Seeker,
watch dis video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3G-lMZxjo) :D
check dis story (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/02/whillary102.xml) :rotfl: :rotfl: look de picture to go wid it (http://pichaus.com/hillary-meal-deal-6-66--96g!xl@.jpg) ;D ;D
for dose who ent kno wah Seeker talkin bout (http://www.smh.com.au/cgi-bin/common/popupPrintArticle.pl?path=/articles/2008/01/04/1198950042900.html) ;)
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ah can only imagine what Barack's look like ...
funny, buh I have not found anyting racy (excuse de pun) about Obama as yet ;)
Doh look too hard nah ;) ... incidentally ah still hadda check out de new one by Obama Girl ...
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although i would enjoy seein ah black muslim man become president ot this country,it cannot happen.
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... incidentally ah still hadda check out de new one by Obama Girl ...
wha dis one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKsoXHYICqU) ;)
or dis one (http://www.barelypolitical.com/) :D
although i would enjoy seein ah black muslim man become president ot this country,it cannot happen.
de man say he is a Christian (http://www.faithandaction.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=feature.display&feature_id=126)
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ah see all dem Evangelicial run behind Huckabee... that man does scare me yes. and where are dem Ron Paul supporters? de man end up like Snakes on a Plane, sensational on the internet but a buss in reality/
good job Obama, lol@hillary.
well, huckabee happy canada preserving the national igloo (http://video.canadiancontent.net/16321139-talking-to-americans-capitol-building-is-an-igloo.html). :-X
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asylum, I always knew yuh was republican leaning.
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asylum, I always knew yuh was republican leaning.
I am not de sort of fella to lean ...
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Buh look, dis is de best news coming out of Kenya all week ... ;) son of a son of the soil wins the Iowa D caucus
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Buh look, dis is de best news coming out of Kenya all week ... ;) son of a son of the soil wins the Iowa D caucus
if yuh eh leaning den yuh bending
win is relative..how many delegates did he garner?
Hillary is the real winner there!
In the overall race for the nomination, Clinton leads with 175 delegates, including superdelegates, followed by Obama with 75 and Edwards with 46.
and for bossofallbosses..obama is blac, but he is not muslim
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and seeker...if I remember correctly, another Clinton lost iowa also...but History remembers that Clinton a Prez.
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This was necessary ... ah eh say it was sufficient ... leh we talk after New Hampshire nah ... Hillary composure ruffled right now ... listen to de rhetoric she start to use already ... dahs alright ... ah want her to unmask de real Hillary ...
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Watchna ah know plenty :yapping: going on in tonight's conference call with the NH staff ... heheheh
Den when de inner circle reach back to de inner sanctum is jes dis dey on :banginghead: ... den when she and Bill retire to de inner, inner sanctum is :busshead:
Pyrrhic victory or not, that hadda be priceless ...
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I read that if Hillary wins the Democractic Candidacy the Republicans will win the Presidency again. Is there any merit in that ?
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I read that if Hillary wins the Democractic Candidacy the Republicans will win the Presidency again. Is there any merit in that ?
I eh following too much but I eh buying that. I think Hilary destined for Prez and I feel the US pop done expecting it.
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de more seeker talk de more he expose heself.
My goodness...yuh is ah dyed in the wool right winger.
look at ting.
I did always suspect as much eh...but weys.....!
Remember yuh boy Bush did lorse Iowa too eh...de race is not for the swiftest....
I really eh care who win eh, once ah stinking arse republican doh win de presidency again.
Licks in dey fcoking pweffen!
Obama or Clinton....me eh give ah damn.....once a facking republican asswioe eh get in de white house again
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de more seeker talk de more he expose heself.
My goodness...yuh is ah dyed in the wool right winger.
look at ting.
I did always suspect as much eh...but weys.....!
Remember yuh boy Bush did lorse Iowa too eh...de race is not for the swiftest....
I really eh care who win eh, once ah stinking arse republican doh win de presidency again.
Licks in dey fcoking pweffen!
Obama or Clinton....me eh give ah damn.....once a facking republican asswioe eh get in de white house again
Iowa is a nice symbolic victory and is key for both setting the pace and giving the victor some necessary momentum. By no means is it a barometer of how the electoral winds will blow though.
Jah Gol...that indeed has been said because many see Hilary as being indelibly tied to the scandals of her husband's administration, in addition to being a deeply divisive character in her own right. Remember, this is a woman (from Arkansas) who packed up shop and moved to NY with the express purpose of winning a Senate seat. That said, I think the tide of opinion is firmly against the Republicans, and I don't really see Giuliani (Catholic, divorced, Northeasterner...NY'er at that) capturing the national imagination. The things mentioned in parentheses have never been overcome by a presidential candidate...not sure Giuliani has what it takes to buck that trend.
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Two things ... she packed her bags from DC to move to New York (I mention this because the political distance is not as staggering as the Arkansas sell ... and in fact, it was not then sold as an Arkansas sell, but as a savvy Northeastern corridor sell) ...
and she's still not comprehensively viewed as being from Arkansas (despite the obvious) ... she has sought to play down her Illinois roots because of Barack Obama's Illinois background ... hence she made dampening comments regarding Obama's gains in Iowa (and eventual victory) by characterizing him as the son of a neighbouring state. This is also reflected in other recent events.
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TT, yuh making mih smile man ... buh no comment ... yuh extrapolations questionable doh .... on presented evidence ...
Nonetheless, are you acquainted with Hillary's Republican resume? It's a hoot. From where I am positioned it hadda be significantly deeper than mine i.e. if I have any ... Wha yuh going to do if she reach de White House and yuh find out she's a DINO during her term? :rotfl:
Yuh done know wid you ah hadda geh meh kix ...
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I suppose you want to know on what basis or bases I do not support her? Leh me know if that's what yuh trying to extract from meh nah man ...
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I watching WSBK TV 38 Boston, and there is one set ah Hillary ads. :D :D
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:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Dutty !!!!!
Yuh kill meh wid dah crix and mauby ting!!!! :rotfl: :rotfl:
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over the years i have won thousands of english pounds betting on various US elections
at this moment in time i don't know who i am going to back to win the Democrat nomination - i am in a "wait and see" mode although i do have one eye on Edwards
what i do know for sure is that i won't be betting on either Hillary or Obama to win it - they've got no chance
it's like a long distance horse race at Santa Rosa and two horses have gone off 20 lengths in front of the rest of the field - those front runners never win - there's always something that comes off the pace with a late run and picks them off
same thing is going to happen in this race, just like it happened last time when John Kerry came out of nowhere to chin Howard Dean on the line even though Dean had raised the most money to fund his campaign (like Hillary has now)
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de more seeker talk de more he expose heself.
My goodness...yuh is ah dyed in the wool right winger.
look at ting.
I did always suspect as much eh...but weys.....!
Remember yuh boy Bush did lorse Iowa too eh...de race is not for the swiftest....
I really eh care who win eh, once ah stinking arse republican doh win de presidency again.
Licks in dey fcoking pweffen!
Obama or Clinton....me eh give ah damn.....once a facking republican asswioe eh get in de white house again
SAME republicans coming back to the white house - if not in 2008 it will be 2012 or 2016. all the dems doing is trying to stall the inevitable. watch, they go make michael powell the next secretary of state.
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(http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/123580.jpg)
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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West Coast yuh ain't easy ....
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West Coast yuh ain't easy ....
what? :devil:
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Democrats put it on the rear bumper. ;)
Republicans put it on the front bumper. ;D
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okay fellas i've made my move. £100 on John Edwards to win the Democrat nomination at odds of 33/1 - unbelievable value
latest odds can be found here
http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politics-and-election
US Presidential Election - Democrat Candidate
Barack Obama (1/2), Hillary Clinton (7/4), John Edwards (33)
haven't had a bet yet on who will become President - going to wait and see for now - you will note that Obama is currently 6/4 favourite. That is the worst value bet in the history of the world - true odds are 100/1 in my opinion
US Presidential Election - To Be Elected President
Barack Obama (6/4), Hillary Clinton (3), John McCain (13/2)
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I feel dat all dem Gun toting blood drinking red neck republicans are in for some fun at Hillary expense for her show of her HUMAN side today
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Leh she cry ...
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Obama and the ghosts of racism
Email|Print| Text size – + By James Carroll
January 7, 2008
"THEY SAID this day would never come," Barack Obama declared in Iowa last week, and the ghosts of this nation nodded. With an African-American competing seriously for the presidency of the United States, the last act of a centuries-old drama begins. Obama's blood tie to the story of American slavery, ironically, comes through his white mother's ancestry, which apparently includes both slave owners and those who fought for the Union to end slavery. That Obama's father was a Kenyan links him more directly than anyone could have imagined both to Africa's past as an exploited continent, and to its present, where the bloody legacy of colonialism plays itself out. (Obama's father was a member of the Luo tribe, like Raila Odinga, the leader of the Kenyan opposition, whose people are protesting the recent election.)
In the American memory, slavery and then the war to abolish it are taken to be the two poles of the story, but it isn't that simple. If racial injustice continued to be a hallmark of life in the United States, it was thought to be an inevitable, but essentially unchosen consequence of the "250 years of unrequited toil," in Abraham Lincoln's phrase, that were imposed on kidnapped Africans and their descendants. Nearly a million Americans died in the war to end slavery, and - still in the American memory - the nation has felt badly ever since that slavery's hangover includes discrimination against black people to this day.
The conventional wisdom, given powerful articulation a generation ago by Daniel Patrick Moynihan, is that the plight of African-Americans - from broad family dysfunction, to almost unshakeable poverty, to disproportionate incarceration rates of black males - is a tragic consequence of the social evil that America nobly renounced in the mid-19th century. Black people are socially disadvantaged, according to this narrative, because of the unhealed wound that was inflicted on them across the early centuries. Innately equal, yes, but they have been made a crippled people, which accounts for their still inferior position.
But, as historians like Yale's Harry S. Stout point out, there is a third pole to the story, and it destroys the moral symmetry of the conventional wisdom. First, Africans were enslaved. Next, a savage war was justified by the "freeing" of slaves. Then, in a distinct but insufficiently acknowledged act of the drama, black people were actively resubjugated in the decades after the Civil War. That resubjugation, embodied in a "reconstruction" bargain between North and South, according to which the other purpose of the Civil War, "union," was given priority over "freedom," led to the culture of Jim Crow, radical segregation, and the use of law to keep African-Americans in an assigned place. That actively nurtured system - not the crippling effects of a long-abolished injustice - defines the ongoing American crime.
African-Americans have not been passive victims of this heinous tradition. Blacks led the resistance to it, culminating in the triumphs of the civil rights movement, preparing the way for leaders like Obama. But his arrival, at a level below the surface of whatever policies he advances, calls into question the dominant way in which this nation thinks of itself - not only in terms of race, but in terms of war. After all, the American belief in the righteousness of mass killing for the sake of abstract values like "freedom" springs not from the Revolution, where the killing was relatively slight and the freedom limited to a merchant class, but from the Civil War, where a spirit of total killing was justified by a professed commitment to racial equality that simply did not exist.
In his heart-breaking second inaugural address, Lincoln argued that the "unrequited toil" and "every drop of blood drawn with the lash" would be redeemed by the war, but a month later he was murdered. The quite deliberately constructed aftermath of the war destroyed Lincoln's promise, although Americans told themselves otherwise. They glorified war, while preserving an injustice that war supposedly overcame. That was only yesterday.
Obama embodies more than he can know. "Change" is his mantra, but the potential for transformation goes far beyond the kinds of policies pursued in Washington. Those policies are rooted in assumptions sunk deep into the national psyche, and into the structure of memory that gives it shape. War is not necessarily redemptive. Africans are not necessarily disadvantaged. African-Americans are not mere victims. Race, for that matter, need not be definitive. An old story is offered a new ending - which is the beginning America has been awaiting. The day has come.
James Carroll's column appears regularly in the [Boston] Globe.
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time to put "Jim Crow" out of his misery, oui
I ent too sure what he is trying to say here
"Obama embodies more than he can know. "Change" is his mantra, but the potential for transformation goes far beyond the kinds of policies pursued in Washington. Those policies are rooted in assumptions sunk deep into the national psyche, and into the structure of memory that gives it shape. War is not necessarily redemptive. Africans are not necessarily disadvantaged. African-Americans are not mere victims. Race, for that matter, need not be definitive. An old story is offered a new ending - which is the beginning America has been awaiting. The day has come."
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Obama and the ghosts of racism
Email|Print| Text size – + By James Carroll
January 7, 2008
Obama embodies more than he can know. "Change" is his mantra, but the potential for transformation goes far beyond the kinds of policies pursued in Washington. Those policies are rooted in assumptions sunk deep into the national psyche, and into the structure of memory that gives it shape. War is not necessarily redemptive. Africans are not necessarily disadvantaged. African-Americans are not mere victims. Race, for that matter, need not be definitive. An old story is offered a new ending - which is the beginning America has been awaiting. The day has come.
James Carroll's column appears regularly in the [Boston] Globe.
No day has come yet...similar paradoxes have cycled themselves throughout the course of the American experience. The fight is never ending, the other side always punches back...
Clearly articulated article though
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Agreed Zandolie. It's more likely a reference to the symbolism of 'the day' than substantive, conclusive refutation of the past.
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Asylumseeker have you ever seen a mockumentary called Confererate States of America? If you have not, its about what the USA would look like now had the Confederacy won the war. It is light entertainment, humourous but very engaging, interesting geopolitical musings about how a USA/CSA with expansionary policies but pro-bellum values would shape the continent and the wold around it.
The really striking parts are not the heavier stuff but the pop culture references from the time of Lincoln to the current. The confederate flag flying on the moon, what the show "Cops" would be like in a slave economy etc. Interesting too that Canada became a haven for runaway slaves and so developed a "soulful" culture.
A little review here
http://www.scifi.com/sfw/screen/sfw12291.html
Cheers
In the face of Obama-mania, this is a real back to earth vibe.....
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like Hillary didn't shed dem tears in vain.
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Obama!!!
Yes we can!!
"..........a King who took us to the mountaintop and pointed the way to the promised land, Yes We Can, to Justice and Equality"
de man speechify good eh (http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/ObamaHQFeature/CGTN)
an Hillary was happier dan a pig in shit ;)
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doh mind asylum and he shit talk....Hillary eh dead yet,,,,nor is Obama for that matter.
There are those who want every chance for a republican to return to the white house.
I certainy dont want that.
take dat obama!
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doh mind asylum and he shit talk....Hillary eh dead yet,,,,nor is Obama for that matter.
There are those who want every chance for a republican to return to the white house.
I certainy dont want that.
take dat obama!
Ah reach! I knew you would be at this bright and early so look meh here! ;D
What shit talk? Don't confuse my read with the advertised read of the American media and polling. It would have been wonderful if she were politically dead this morning, but I didn't expect her to be dead this morning. The flex was always going to be Barack and Hillary in the first two places in New Hampshire. And holding that view, I didn't expect Edwards to leave the race, so why would I have expected Hillary's death/departure on a superior showing to Edwards?
I fail to see how my position of preference as between two Democratic candidates translates into "there are those who want a Republican to return to the White House". I guarantee, even "the Republicans" don't blindly want a Republican in the White House. Ask Huckabee.
Buh ah like how yuh modify yuh sentence dey ... "hillary eh dead yet
Even if she doesn't 'die', leh we hope she learns some lessons from this near death experience. The Dem Party could benefit from that. I'm being charitable, but I doubt that is going to be the case based on the way she's going to package herself going forward and based on what I've seen of her less than 30 minutes ago.
Looking further fwd, have a look at the head to head match-ups between McCain and Obama and Hillary and McCain. On present evidence ah cyah see how yuh go get yuh wish.
The New Hampshire Secretary of State's office won't publicize the final numbers until after 9pm tonight, buh you really think the junior senator from New York ought to be wiping the sweat from she face and the tears from she cheeks in the NH primary? Obviously, there's something Hillary was doing wrong ... and that's where my opposition lies.
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P.S. Congratulations 'Hilly' ... to coin ah think it was Dutty's term of endearment. :rotfl:
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ah see de bike yuh riding is not ah stationary...de way how yuh back peddaling.
Yuh wanted her dead, yuh say as much, but yuh hoping lessons learned?
nah.
yuh is ah Republican. ;D
face it nah, tell de forum de trute.
when is my time tuh cast my vote, if Hillary dey I voting fuh she.
if she eh dey is Obama or edwards getting my vote.
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oh and for de poll dat say is Obama by 10 points....take dat poll and shove it!
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Ah eh have dat kinda balance. Fwd ever, backward never! Doh play yuh eh know. If she breathing she could learn.
I'm a neutral observer. Ah jes saying a lil more than de Swiss would. Commenting on this as on other issues. I eh have no dog in dis fight. Buh if I was canine shopping it wouldn't be Hillary. Then again, that much is clear by now. Not sure how she would perform once I take her home.
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Polls? Selectively useful. It's easy to rubbish polls after the fact, but embrace them warmly when say the UNC loses ... (did I say that?) :rotfl: :rotfl:
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I just said the polls saying COrPse wasn't getting ah damn seat were correct.
Nutten about UNC fella. lol
de polls validated my own convictions...long before the polls i said not ah damn seat fuh de COrPse.
I never embrace polls unless there are other factors indicating a trend....look how the polls said Bush lost an election, media houses even declred winners and losers only to have egg on their faces.
by the way, how does egg on the face feel?
:D
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by the way, how does egg on the face feel?
Whappen yuh gehhin yuh threads tie up? :)
Look de link for dah one here:
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=1866.0
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Clearly no egg. Review this thread start to end and tell me where I said she would lose NH ... I did express satisfaction that she lost Iowa, but note the caution and preference expressed from top to bottom and yuh cyah say that I went out on a limb on NH.
These were my words:
This was necessary ... ah eh say it was sufficient ... leh we talk after New Hampshire nah ... Hillary composure ruffled right now ... listen to de rhetoric she start to use already ... dahs alright ... ah want her to unmask de real Hillary ...
Still waiting on the real Hillary to cry. ;)
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Jack Manday = truetrini ?? ???
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Jack Manday = truetrini ?? ???
dat like Holiday Foods
Of Course ;D :D
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So nothing decided yet.
Who gets the most delegates wins - that is the goal. There is no real momentum for any candidate right now even though the news wants to play it that way.
BTW in New Hampshire Obama picked up 12 as opposed to Clinton's 11 even though Clinton won the vote.
Current delegate count with 333 out of 4049 delegates determined:
Donkey candidates:
Clinton 183
Obama 78
Edwards 52
Richardson 19
on the Elephant side with 71 out of 2380 determined:
Romney 30 (he won Wyoming which no one talks about)
Huckabee 21
McCain 10
Thompson 6
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latest odds can be found here
http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/politics-and-election
wow,,dem english bookie does bet on ANYting oui
ah wonder what would be de odds on..............
(http://www.genewallcole.com/Oprahbox1.jpg)
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(http://www.invision.smileyville.net/smilies/snf (40).gif)
;D
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ah can only imagine what Barack's look like ...
funny, buh I have not found anyting racy (excuse de pun) about Obama as yet ;)
found this slide show of Obama cartoons (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20164519/displaymode/1107/s/2/framenumber/1/)
and
All Candidate Cartoons (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14851926/displaymode/1107/s/2/framenumber/1/)
(http://cagle.msnbc.com/news/MLK08/images/darkow.gif)
get your Democratic delegate count here (http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/primaries/democraticprimaries/index.html)
get your Republican delegate count here (http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/primaries/republicanprimaries/index.html)
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Barack Obama speaking at MLK's church (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf0x_TpDris) - decent speech
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Nice vibe dey WC. Sometimes the cartoonists do a better job of capturing de scene than do columnists.
Earlier on in the thread I referred to the unmasking of the real Hillary ... she and Bill have been doing a great job of just that ... they are sinking to new depths every day.
Imagine! Today ... the day of the man advocating the primacy of focusing on content of character over the colour of a man's skin ... she enters stage center with 'Obama is an extraordinary, young, African-American with so much to contribute ...'
The belly of the beast is always well fed. Conscious ppl ought to be offended.
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Anyhow, aside from MLK ... today was also a day honouring another serious voice in the struggle:
http://www.barbados.gov.bb/errolb.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errol_Barrow
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Barack Obama speaking at MLK's church (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf0x_TpDris) - decent speech
here is the text of his speech (http://www.barackobama.com/2008/01/20/remarks_of_senator_barack_obam_40.php)
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Barack Obama speaking at MLK's church (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf0x_TpDris) - decent speech
here is the text of his speech (http://www.barackobama.com/2008/01/20/remarks_of_senator_barack_obam_40.php)
thanks WestCoast. that's the first time i've heard an obama speech. he seem to have in mind as his target audience a wide range of groups; notably ceding the corporate/executive/management class to hilary. that's the political hard road for sure.
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de seeker will enjoy this oldie but goody
(http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/N/N/hillary_kfcspecial.jpg)
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Good find dey Dutty ... as ah ponder de frosted
flakes polories ...
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Barack Obama speaking at MLK's church (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf0x_TpDris) - decent speech
here is the text of his speech (http://www.barackobama.com/2008/01/20/remarks_of_senator_barack_obam_40.php)
thanks WestCoast. that's the first time i've heard an obama speech. he seem to have in mind as his target audience a wide range of groups; notably ceding the corporate/executive/management class to hilary. that's the political hard road for sure.
I found that the Audio on that video was lacking so I had to read along
That Chuch HAS to put at least a second mic or better to increase the quality of the audio.
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OK Hillary, look who you up against also (http://youtube.com/results?search_query=michelle+obama+speech) ;)
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OK Hillary, look who you up against also (http://youtube.com/results?search_query=michelle+obama+speech) ;)
Michelle is one of Barak's greatest assets in that race.
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Obama win South Carolina.
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Win is joke,
with 67% of precincts reporting, the man winning with 54% of the vote. Hillary 2nd with 27%, Edwards on kicks with 19%.
2008 might be a historical year for real, but Super Tuesday will tell the real tale. And then is off to the dirty tricks of the general election.
Funny thing is, I think Clinton could b effective, but she's a polarizing figure, and will always be. She can't talk you over to her side if you not there.
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Obama :wavetowel:
Obama :wavetowel:
Obama :wavetowel:
;)
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Hillary get brush in South Carolina... onto Super Tuesday.
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He just give the victory speech. The man real good dred. He is eloquent and charismatic but not preachy. He comes across as humble,cool, calm and collected.
The CNN people using words like rout and 'beat-down' to describe the margin of victory. It makes for an interesting race.
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can allya imagine HOW many White House interns my boy Jefferson would *&^% if he was to be given free reign of the white house hallways for another 4 years, as the First Man ;D ;D
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can allya imagine HOW many White House interns my boy Jefferson would *&^% if he was to be given free reign of the white house hallways for another 4 years, as the First Man ;D ;D
WITH IMPUNITY!!! Ah can hear him now ... "Impeach meh now nah!" He finding a nex nex wuk all de time and Monica cyah find a good gig ;D :wavetowel:
Key difference from last escapade is that this time de interns would be Chelsea's contemporaries.
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Oh yeah ... it would be remiss of me not to add ... TAKE DAT HILLARY CLINTON ... :applause: heheheh
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Win is joke,
with 67% of precincts reporting, the man winning with 54% of the vote. Hillary 2nd with 27%, Edwards on kicks with 19%.
2008 might be a historical year for real, but Super Tuesday will tell the real tale. And then is off to the dirty tricks of the general election.
Funny thing is, I think Clinton could b effective, but she's a polarizing figure, and will always be. She can't talk you over to her side if you not there.
Good talk all round, buh ah mindful of the part in bold especially..
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This is a small victory..Super Tuesday will decide if he ahs what it takes!
The states with the most delegates he is trailing...maybe he gets momentum from this win, maybe not?
we will see.
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The edge is still Hillary's. It would be a different equation if the process was along the lines of the state by state attrition that's been the case up to Saturday, but Super Tuesday makes the scene wholly different. He's got to be prepared to make a major media investment and to choose his retail appearances carefully. There is no room for resting upon the laurels of a natural consituency.
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The edge is still Hillary's. It would be a different equation if the process was along the lines of the state by state attrition that's been the case up to Saturday, but Super Tuesday makes the scene wholly different. He's got to be prepared to make a major media investment and to choose his retail appearances carefully. There is no room for resting upon the laurels of a natural consituency.
As I said, either way I win, hillary or Obama, once no damn Republican eh go back in de white house...I good!
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tomorrow is florida - time to see if giuliani florida strategy will pay off.
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Rezko - the so called slum lord involved with Obama - was just arrested by the FBI. People are wondering if hold overs from the Clinton administration that are still in the Justice department were activated by the Clinton campaign to pick him up.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/28/rezko.arrest/index.html
Of course the Clintons are trying to deny they know the guy themselves:
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/25/the-rezko-clinton-connection/
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/promos/politics/blog/clintons-today-rezko190.jpg)
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Hillary, it must be horrific to wake up and discover that Ted Kennedy buss camp too ... Mrs. C yuh songing kinda soft dey sayin yuh have the support of a few minor Kennedys ... junior royalty dahlin ... junior royalty. Palace coup 101. Do try to keep up. Or not.
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Clintons and the Race Card (http://www.slate.com/id/2182938/)Campaign getting more dutty
Fool Me Thrice
It should be no surprise that the Clintons are playing the race card.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, Jan. 28, 2008, at 11:59 AM ET
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How can one equal Bill Clinton for thuggery and opportunism when it comes to the so-called "race card"? And where does one even start with the breathtaking nastiness of his own conduct, and that of his supporters, in the last week? Barack Obama carries South Carolina having made no sectarian appeal to any specific kind of voter, and the best Clinton can say is that this is no better than Jesse Jackson managed to do. Really? Did Jackson come south having already got himself elected the senator from Illinois? And, come to think of it, was Jackson so much to be despised and sneered at when he was needed as Clinton's "confessor," along with Billy Graham, during the squalor of impeachment?
This calculated willingness to shop on both sides of the street of racial politics was actually analyzed quite shrewdly by Dick Morris, the former consigliere of the gruesome twosome, in conversation with Sean Hannity last week. The Clintons, he thought, would be quite happy to lose big to the "black vote" in South Carolina. It would enable them to signal that they were the ones to stem the flow of the color tide. Morris' host protested that this seemed a touch cynical. Morris jovially assured him that he knew the people he was talking about.
As indeed he did. It was Hillary Clinton who insisted on recalling Morris to the embattled White House, notwithstanding his various disgraces and notwithstanding the fact that he had been the adviser and strategist for Jesse Helms of North Carolina. Why am I saying "notwithstanding"? It was because he had performed so well for Helms, including helping him with the famous "white hands" ad that showed a white man crumpling up a letter that told him of preference for "minorities" in hiring, that Morris was thought of by the then-first lady as such a guru.
I never quite understand how the Clintons' initial exploitation of racism was overlooked the first time around and has been airbrushed from the record since. After falling behind in the New Hampshire primary in 1992, and after being caught lying about the affair with Gennifer Flowers to which he later confessed under oath, Clinton left the campaign trail and flew home to Arkansas to give the maximum publicity to his decision to sign a death warrant for Ricky Ray Rector. Rector was a black inmate on death row who had shot himself in the head after committing a double murder and, instead of dying as a result, had achieved the same effect as a lobotomy would have done. He never understood the charge against him or the sentence. After being served his last meal, he left the pecan pie on the side of the tray, as he told the guards who came to take him to the execution chamber, "for later." Several police and prison-officer witnesses expressed extreme queasiness at this execution of a gravely impaired man, and the prison chaplain, Dennis Pigman, later resigned from the prison service. The whole dismal and cruel and pathetic story was told by Marshall Frady in a long essay in The New Yorker in 1993 and is also recounted in a chapter titled "Chameleon in Black and White" by your humble servant in his book No One Left To Lie To. For now, I just ask you to imagine what would have been said if a Republican governor, falling in the polls, had gone out of his way to execute a mentally incompetent African-American prisoner.
Or leaf back, if you will, to the New York Times of March 23, 1992, and the jolly headline, "Club Where Clinton Has Golfed Retains Ways of Old South." Yes indeedy, the Country Club of Little Rock had 500 members, all of them white, and the aspirant candidate had himself photographed there more than once until Jerry Brown made an issue of it. It was then announced by Clinton's people that "the staff and facilities" at the club were "integrated"—a pretty way of stating that the toilets were cleaned by black Arkansans. Yet all this was forgiven by credulous liberals who were sure that they had discovered a New Democrat who was a Southerner to boot.
Many of these same people do not like it now that they see similar two-faced tactics being employed against "one of their own." Well, tough. And many of the most prominent and eloquent black columnists—Bob Herbert, Colbert King, Eugene Robinson—are also acting shocked. It's a bit late. I have to say that Bob Herbert shocked even me by quoting Andrew Young, who said that his pal Clinton was "every bit as black as Barack" because he'd screwed more black chicks. How is Hillary Clinton, or Chelsea Clinton, supposed to feel on hearing that little endorsement? One gets the impression, though, at least from the wife, that anything is OK as long as it works, or even has a chance of working. When Toni Morrison described Clinton as "black" on the basis of his promiscuity and dysfunction and uncertainty about his parentage, she did more than cater to the white racist impression of the African-American male. She tapped into the sort of self-hatred that is evidently more common than we might choose to think. Say what you will about Sen. Obama (and I say that he's got much more charisma than guts), he is miles above this sort of squalor and has decent manners. Say what you will about the Clintons, you cannot acquit them of having played the race card several times in both directions and of having done so in the most vulgar and unscrupulous fashion. Anyone who thinks that this equals "change" is a fool, and an easily fooled fool at that.
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why any of this is a surprise, yuh feel Obama wouldnt stoop to lows tuh get elected?
steups...
A-seeker seems to forget that his boy Dubya had Karl MarxRove did say that Mc Cain had a love child with ah black woman when is adopt de man adopt de child?
and dat give bush de momentum to move on and Mc Cain to reel?
Is politics not social work!
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Guest Column: Clinton is better than Obama
By Jeff Ross
Fri Jan 25, 2008, 07:22 PM EST
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Boston - During the debate hosted by the Congressional Black Caucus Institute in South Carolina Senator Barrack Obama touted himself as the best choice for African Americans, Hillary Clinton – the best candidate for women and Edwards – the best candidate for white males. Yet the electoral experience in Nevada demonstrates that, when special interests are involved, Obama fails to stand up for civil rights.
During the Nevada caucuses, the culinary workers union fought hard in the courts to ensure that the election would be held at the seven large casinos to convenience workers. The move was blocked in the courts, because it would unfairly benefit the Obama campaign. The prospect that working people in a 24/7 city would be disenfranchised from the democratic process that African Americans and women fought so hard for was intolerable enough. But then the culinary workers union flew its bosses out from New Jersey. In a violation of workers’ Constitutional rights, the union bosses pressured workers not to vote under penalty of dismissal, termination and denial of union support during the grievance process.
Obama failed to protect people of color and women workers in Nevada who were denied the right to vote by his special interest supporters.
Obama’s close ties with this special interest group resulted in his failure to intervene on behalf of the workers who were being coerced into forgoing their Constitutional right to vote. And this is not the first time that Obama puts special interests ahead of the basic human rights of people, whom he purports to represent.
Obama has taken contributions from special interest slumlords that he represented as a practicing attorney. Race and housing have been inextricably intertwined issues in America’s inner cities for far too long.
The well being of the African American and all inner city communities depends on the quality of housing. However, investors in large public housing projects have no incentive to maintain and improve public housing, because profit margins carry greater weight with them than the right of American families to have clean, habitable and safe environments.
We cannot talk about housing without talking about race, because too often African Americans are given the short end of the stick on housing.
Obama is not a candidate who shares the civil rights record or the African American experience. He comes from a corporate law environment and lives a privileged live that takes him a step removed from the struggling American families.
My candidate understands these struggles.
Hillary Clinton has a history of working with the Children’s Legal Defense Fund. Instead of working at a big corporate law firm when she graduated from Yale Law School, she took up the baton for disadvantaged children of working families in inner city communities and fought for civil rights. Hillary has long fought for civil and human rights of African Americans, Latinos, women and children.
During the Clinton Administration, Hillary lobbied for the appointments of more women to high offices in Washington, D.C., than at any other time in American history.
Hillary’s campaign is getting unprecedented support from women of all races. To me, that’s what hope is all about. Do we want a candidate with a track record on civil rights, equality and women’s rights or a candidate who only pays lip service and looks the part? Where will we be if we allow the wool to be pulled over our eyes?
People of color and women have come too far to let Obama to take us backward now.
The next time Senator Obama touts himself as the best candidate for African Americans, Hillary as the best candidate for women and Edwards as the best candidate for white males, ask, how can we vote for a person who wants to divide communities into sectors? Hillary is the true candidate that unites us around these issues. This is why the experience of a more qualified candidate will be crucial to the immediate future of all America.
Jeff Ross is an attorney with Ross & Associates of Boston. He is also a contributor to the Hillary Clinton campaign.
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Yuh singing is politics and not social work, yet when Jack and Bas performing social wuk yuh gehhin tizzik ... please explain the discrepancy
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Yuh singing is politics and not social work, yet when Jack and Bas performing social wuk yuh gehhin tizzik ... please explain the discrepancy
hey fella, yuh starting tuh talk shit!
Yuh ever see me post anywhere that politics is anything BUT ah nasty game? If so...illustrate it nah...bolden it, color it, highlight it, underline it, increase de font size etc.
what yuh will never find anywhere connected to my name is a post anywhere stating that dirty politicking is alright.
I have merely stated a fact, yuh decide tuh make me tuh task, yuh efforts better set trying to convince the less sophisticated that yuh is NOT Bush boy.
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Yuh know what dey say ... repeat something enough and they'll believe it ... Unfortunately, no matter how much you remain convinced that independent thinking translates into being a Bushite ... I still won't be a Bushite.
So what about those Trinis? ;) ... again ah hadda move like West Coast here ... ;D
Yuh singing is politics and not social work, yet when Jack and Bas performing social wuk yuh gehhin tizzik ... please explain the discrepancy
hey fella, yuh starting tuh talk shit!
well, at least we have a concession that ah was making sense before ;D
Yuh ever see me post anywhere that politics is anything BUT ah nasty game? If so...illustrate it nah...bolden it, color it, highlight it, underline it, increase de font size etc.
what yuh will never find anywhere connected to my name is a post anywhere stating that dirty politicking is alright.
I have merely stated a fact, yuh decide tuh make me tuh task, yuh efforts better set trying to convince the less sophisticated that yuh is NOT Bush boy.
My point is merely that it seems so easy for you to accept the Clinton variety of dirt as opposed to the UNC variety. Why not reject both? With Hillary yuh sayin politics dirty, but with UNC yuh saying dey dirty and yuh off to de races in cataloguing how, when why and where.
Join me in condemning Hillary. Or wait, yuh waiting to see whether she get de nomination first?
Right now I saying she still in de running buh she moving despicably. Join me in standing up for truth and justice.
I would say my comments are fair and balanced ... buh dat would only add fuel to yuh fire. ;D
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Fool Me Thrice
It should be no surprise that the Clintons are playing the race card.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, Jan. 28, 2008, at 11:59 AM ET
How can one equal Bill Clinton for thuggery and opportunism when it comes to the so-called "race card"? And where does one even start with the breathtaking nastiness of his own conduct, and that of his supporters, in the last week? Barack Obama carries South Carolina having made no sectarian appeal to any specific kind of voter, and the best Clinton can say is that this is no better than Jesse Jackson managed to do. Really? Did Jackson come south having already got himself elected the senator from Illinois? And, come to think of it, was Jackson so much to be despised and sneered at when he was needed as Clinton's "confessor," along with Billy Graham, during the squalor of impeachment?
This calculated willingness to shop on both sides of the street of racial politics was actually analyzed quite shrewdly by Dick Morris, the former consigliere of the gruesome twosome, in conversation with Sean Hannity last week. The Clintons, he thought, would be quite happy to lose big to the "black vote" in South Carolina. It would enable them to signal that they were the ones to stem the flow of the color tide. Morris' host protested that this seemed a touch cynical. Morris jovially assured him that he knew the people he was talking about.
As indeed he did. It was Hillary Clinton who insisted on recalling Morris to the embattled White House, notwithstanding his various disgraces and notwithstanding the fact that he had been the adviser and strategist for Jesse Helms of North Carolina. Why am I saying "notwithstanding"? It was because he had performed so well for Helms, including helping him with the famous "white hands" ad that showed a white man crumpling up a letter that told him of preference for "minorities" in hiring, that Morris was thought of by the then-first lady as such a guru.
I never quite understand how the Clintons' initial exploitation of racism was overlooked the first time around and has been airbrushed from the record since. After falling behind in the New Hampshire primary in 1992, and after being caught lying about the affair with Gennifer Flowers to which he later confessed under oath, Clinton left the campaign trail and flew home to Arkansas to give the maximum publicity to his decision to sign a death warrant for Ricky Ray Rector. Rector was a black inmate on death row who had shot himself in the head after committing a double murder and, instead of dying as a result, had achieved the same effect as a lobotomy would have done. He never understood the charge against him or the sentence. After being served his last meal, he left the pecan pie on the side of the tray, as he told the guards who came to take him to the execution chamber, "for later." Several police and prison-officer witnesses expressed extreme queasiness at this execution of a gravely impaired man, and the prison chaplain, Dennis Pigman, later resigned from the prison service. The whole dismal and cruel and pathetic story was told by Marshall Frady in a long essay in The New Yorker in 1993 and is also recounted in a chapter titled "Chameleon in Black and White" by your humble servant in his book No One Left To Lie To. For now, I just ask you to imagine what would have been said if a Republican governor, falling in the polls, had gone out of his way to execute a mentally incompetent African-American prisoner.
Or leaf back, if you will, to the New York Times of March 23, 1992, and the jolly headline, "Club Where Clinton Has Golfed Retains Ways of Old South." Yes indeedy, the Country Club of Little Rock had 500 members, all of them white, and the aspirant candidate had himself photographed there more than once until Jerry Brown made an issue of it. It was then announced by Clinton's people that "the staff and facilities" at the club were "integrated"—a pretty way of stating that the toilets were cleaned by black Arkansans. Yet all this was forgiven by credulous liberals who were sure that they had discovered a New Democrat who was a Southerner to boot.
Many of these same people do not like it now that they see similar two-faced tactics being employed against "one of their own." Well, tough. And many of the most prominent and eloquent black columnists—Bob Herbert, Colbert King, Eugene Robinson—are also acting shocked. It's a bit late. I have to say that Bob Herbert shocked even me by quoting Andrew Young, who said that his pal Clinton was "every bit as black as Barack" because he'd screwed more black chicks. How is Hillary Clinton, or Chelsea Clinton, supposed to feel on hearing that little endorsement? One gets the impression, though, at least from the wife, that anything is OK as long as it works, or even has a chance of working. When Toni Morrison described Clinton as "black" on the basis of his promiscuity and dysfunction and uncertainty about his parentage, she did more than cater to the white racist impression of the African-American male. She tapped into the sort of self-hatred that is evidently more common than we might choose to think. Say what you will about Sen. Obama (and I say that he's got much more charisma than guts), he is miles above this sort of squalor and has decent manners. Say what you will about the Clintons, you cannot acquit them of having played the race card several times in both directions and of having done so in the most vulgar and unscrupulous fashion. Anyone who thinks that this equals "change" is a fool, and an easily fooled fool at that.
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I can close my eyes and find Exhibits A thru Z anywhere ... Fire bun the Clintons.
I'm going to kick back and cool with some Burning Spear meantime in between time.
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and just where have you found my acceptance of the Clinton's brand of politics? I merely equated the politics to that of your boy Bushie!
Now why are you so intent on attempting to put words in my mout fella?
and as for my politics they are widely known as I am not ashamed of my Liberal leanings...I freely and openly espouse them!
You? seems like you sway back and forth by any and every far right foul wind dat dares to blow its putrid doctrine!
If I rush to point out the mis-deeds of Jack and panday it is becasue I have a vested interest in the land of my birth (Is Trinidad I born, is Trinidad I come from!)
You take a perverse, if not sneaky pleasure in decrying the Democratic front runner, instead hoping that we (yes we dems.) nominate an inexperienced candidate fuh allyuh tuh trounce...but it eh happening, if is Obama or if is Hillary, when the lines are drawn, and the bugle sounds, we deposing allyuh damn republicans, and that sir, is a fact thaT YOU CAN TAKE TO THE BANK!
Your pretense at endorsing Obama has not fooled me one bit! You may not be able to vote here, but your laning and sympathies are easily discernible to anyone with the ability to decipher your Conseravitive tripe!
I do not attack Obama, I have never done so, why should I decry Hillary, we all on the same team.
Myam dat! (to borrow ah jakan colloquial)
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Is a perception jed b/c I have not seen an outright condemnation from you. Seems to me this is not an issue to sit on yuh hands.
What i have read from you is that as long as a Dem win you good ... but that cyah be enough right now ...
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Is a perception jed b/c I have not seen an outright condemnation from you. Seems to me this is not an issue to sit on yuh hands.
What i have read from you is that as long as a Dem win you good ... but that cyah be enough right now ...
first of all, jed, is not my name, and if yuh mean dread, den please, say so. DAMNIT!! :devil:
Yes As long as a Dem wins den I am happy. You have not seen any condemnation from me, becasue I choose not to utter any!
I save my vitriol for those more deserving like BUSH and his supporters! And Jack and Panday!
get my drift?
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Is a perception jed b/c I have not seen an outright condemnation from you. Seems to me this is not an issue to sit on yuh hands.
What i have read from you is that as long as a Dem win you good ... but that cyah be enough right now ...
first of all, jed, is not my name, and if yuh mean dread, den please, say so. DAMNIT!! :devil:
Yes As long as a Dem wins den I am happy. You have not seen any condemnation from me, becasue I choose not to utter any!
I save my vitriol for those more deserving like BUSH and his supporters! And Jack and Panday!
get my drift?
tt, you a libertarian? ???
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Is a perception jed b/c I have not seen an outright condemnation from you. Seems to me this is not an issue to sit on yuh hands.
What i have read from you is that as long as a Dem win you good ... but that cyah be enough right now ...
first of all, jed, is not my name, and if yuh mean dread, den please, say so. DAMNIT!! :devil:
Yes As long as a Dem wins den I am happy. You have not seen any condemnation from me, becasue I choose not to utter any!
I save my vitriol for those more deserving like BUSH and his supporters! And Jack and Panday!
get my drift?
tt, you a libertarian? ???
I is ah vaginarian
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Ah see yuh add a lil bit to the post since my initial response ... leh meh take a read ... yes yuh have me cracking up
jed dread ... is this one like the chomping champing the bit peeves? On this forum you'll be busier than the metaphorical long-tail cat in a room full of rocking chairs ... is a good thing ah eh mis-key and type Jeb, yuh would dead in here :rotfl: :rotfl: in a preview of what's to come.
Your pretense at endorsing Obama has not fooled me one bit! You may not be able to vote here, but your laning and sympathies are easily discernible to anyone with the ability to decipher your Conseravitive tripe!
To bun vampire yuh hadda have vampire. Conspiracy theorist! It's a pity your efforts are for naught. I defy dem kinda labels ... my last 3 posts show wha I dealing wid and that eh up for compromise by left or right. Take that to the bank, come bullets or tear gas. Straight talk, no preservatives.
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No judicious reading of my comments could lead to a proper conclusion that I am rightist. All yuh doing is swinging wid 'Bushie boy' ... I would survive the litmus test. Buh we done know dahis yuh tactic and yuh sticking wid it ... so roll de tassa roll it, roll it. Somebody else here may be seduced by the soundtrack at the expense of the lyrics. Nyam dat ... no translation needed. :rotfl:
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Yuh still have the gumption to be calling Hillary de frontrunner? Steups. Infinitesimally so if she is. I believe in choosing between good apples and bad apples. Your approach invests too much time in cutting out the rotten parts of bad apples before consuming the good parts. Hillary Clinton is a rotten apple.
I await your response. I'm sure it will involve comparing apples and oranges.
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Yuh know what, yuh ever go be ah dentist fuh ah tooth ache?
If yes, when yuh dey do they extract de tooth staright away or do dey excise de rot, fill it and send yuh home with ah tooth athat is as good as new? maybe your dentist does jes pull out de toothand send yuh home with ah gap in yuh grill?
ahhhhhhhh
see I see the good and the bad and I make decisions...not like allyuh rightist.......just pull it out, it rottten dne when is allyuh allyuh begging fuh filling.
Besides ah was wondering why ah rightist so engrossed with we liberals and we nomination process, nuless yuh afraid...especially when de same rightist cyar vote?
de tassa rolling.
and yes......it is ah little pet peeve and ah damn glad yuh eh type JEB..dat woulda be bad.
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Is a perception jed b/c I have not seen an outright condemnation from you. Seems to me this is not an issue to sit on yuh hands.
What i have read from you is that as long as a Dem win you good ... but that cyah be enough right now ...
first of all, jed, is not my name, and if yuh mean dread, den please, say so. DAMNIT!! :devil:
Yes As long as a Dem wins den I am happy. You have not seen any condemnation from me, becasue I choose not to utter any!
I save my vitriol for those more deserving like BUSH and his supporters! And Jack and Panday!
get my drift?
tt, you a libertarian? ???
I is ah vaginarian
;D juss like clinton self.
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lol
Thanks!
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Aight. Point taken. Hillary is a cavity. LOL
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Wha nex? Geddes Granger and Makandal Daaga are cousins?
How about those Kenyans? Serious strife in de world and yuh defending Hillary?
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Wha nex? Geddes Granger and Makandal Daaga are cousins?
How about those Kenyans? Serious strife in de world and yuh defending Hillary?
yuh ever see me defending Hillary?
I was defending the left from you! Yuh right winger.
I was merely pointing out the fact that you attack hillary with impunity and yuh eh say peep about Bush.
and what about dem damn Kenyans? Why yuh eh ask Bush tuh land some troops dey and solve de impasse?
why yuh on hillary ass so much if yuh want tuh worry about Kenya?
Call up yuh fren dubya and ask him to sort it out. or maybe a well placed word in the ear of say...Bill O;Reilly?
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So lemme ask, who on the Trini scene right yuh despise? Seems to me without a politics of polarities or a politics of commess your role is what? Obsolete?
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So lemme ask, who on the Trini scene right yuh despise? Seems to me without a politics of polarities or a politics of commess your role is what? Obsolete?
Yuh either too fast or yuh looking fuh ting.
If yuh eh know who me eh like den yuh need to pull yuh head out yuh behind and fast too. :)
Yuh know why I like yuh? yuh bright, I hate dunce, so doh start to pretend nah
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Excellent. It's settled. It's a done deal.
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Buh wha de asterisk and obelisk ... at the risk of disturbing Vesuvius ...
Mr. TT, good night sir! (as I tip imaginary tophat deferentially) ... if indeed charity begins at home, I would have thought you would use this forum to make relevant pronouncements of interest - especially in light of certain recent, energetic public discussions before the parliament of warriors. However, apparently you've found the Jamaican press club more accomodating to interest. I am competitively in both shock and awe because it was only earlier today that you were waving the flag of our esteemed nation with pride.
It has been brought to my attention that you've taken advantage of the early voting gifts of the Commonwealth of Virginia to pursue casting a timely ballot.
This, in and of itself, is not particularly noteworthy. However, what I find captivating - having been clued in to your activities of January 29, 2008 is that - despite your aversion to religion with which we are here familiar, you strangely have been baptised on the foreign soil of the aforementioned press club as not merely an Obama supporter, but most honourably as an Obama voter. I wish you had shared your epiphany among the soca courtesans and compatriots rather than the heathenous lot on the other side.
Fellow warriors, join me in extending the keys to Obamaland to truetrini. :applause: :applause:
No pillars of salt for you. Sodom and Gomorrah mash up.
:rotfl: Welcome aboard.
Finally, I would like to thank my informant for bringing the circumstance to light. :wavetowel: We shall acquiesce in your request for an appropriate security detail.
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Yuh know what...lol
muhahahahahahahaha
I vote in Florida fella, not Virginia
And as for you and yuh informer..Kiss my ass. :devil: imagine two personalities..one seetta lips...oh gorm boy.
There was no epiphany, show me where i said that I disliked Obama, or would not vote for him?
I would admit it was a hard task but I voted along racial lines...nuff said!
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My intelligence gathering is like that of your commander-in-chief ... spotty, except I obviously get better bang for the buck ...
I would admit it was a hard task but I voted along racial lines...nuff said!
Ah going and save dis for the next general elections in T&T ;D
Wha yuh reason? Obama now, Hillary in November? appease the multiple personality problem ... ah love it!
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My intelligence gathering is like that of your commander-in-chief ... spotty, except I obviously get better bang for the buck ...
I would admit it was a hard task but I voted along racial lines...nuff said!
Ah going and save dis for the next general elections in T&T ;D
Wha yuh reason? Obama now, Hillary in November? appease the multiple personality problem ... ah love it!
Obama or Hillary, anyone gets my vote come November...I have ALWAYS maintained that.
Your attempts at putting me down come like when Jack talking...stuttering!
Keep trying, better cock dan you crow...did I tell yuh I like Chicken pelau?
Yuh could keep de racila lines until time end.....there is a different construct here in the US and you know it, but then....dat is how yuh choose tuh roll!
ah notice yuh eh counter meh claim that yuh lie when yuh say dat Hillary campaign in florida...why?
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yuh misunderstand me. assuming obama does not get the nomination nod, yuh can still say yuh support him in the primary ...
ah notice yuh eh counter meh claim that yuh lie when yuh say dat Hillary campaign in florida...why?
dah was FF baby ... ah left the details to him ... he has responded rather well ... take it up with him ... my plate full ... :)
now that yuh have de key to de city .... we good ...
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Looks like Edwards dropping out... what does that mean for the race?
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Looks like Edwards dropping out... what does that mean for the race?
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who is he throwing his support behind?
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Looks like Edwards dropping out... what does that mean for the race?
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who is he throwing his support behind?
looks like no one. he playing to roll up behind the eventual winner.
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giuliani is a real pantsload. he have the 2nd most campaign contributions for republicans. instead of use that money to campaign in the smaller states, he "campaigning" in florida from the start. i mean if old man mccain humping it over these smaller states, giuliani have no excuse. he must be looking for wife #4 - instead he placing 3rd (more like turd) in the florida vote. imagine if obama run such a dotish campaign. steups.
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giuliani is a real pantsload. he have the 2nd most campaign contributions for republicans. instead of use that money to campaign in the smaller states, he "campaigning" in florida from the start. i mean if old man mccain humping it over these smaller states, giuliani have no excuse. he must be looking for wife #4 - instead he placing 3rd (more like turd) in the florida vote. imagine if obama run such a dotish campaign. steups.
it good... he is ah laughing hyena
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What allyuh think about the Debate last night. I thought it was real balanced. Both of them sound real good. Obama sound like he better on foreign policy though.
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What allyuh think about the Debate last night. I thought it was real balanced. Both of them sound real good. Obama sound like he better on foreign policy though.
yes it was extremely cordial with jokes thrown in for good measure.
I find that either candidate would do very well if elected
my only burr is that i doh want another Clinton in the White house....
in responce to Barack's foreign policy, could I quote the following: "Barack Obama answered that call not to lead from a pinnacle of fear, but to build on the great legacies of our forbearers-where they lead from a compass of strength, hope and optimism. It is in line with this tradition that the beloved late John F. Kennedy famous said, "Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate.""
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/326617/a_foreign_policy_comparison_of_barack.html
negotiating with the enemy goes against the ingrained "shoot em up" attitude of most Americans who seem to me to prefer WAR than to negotiating.
Take for instance when they deal with say a hostage situation in America, the most common outcome seems to me to be "Lets shoot first and talk later"
maybe i am fooled by hollywood, but it seems so to me.
some would argue differently, I guess
I for one would hope that with his election WIN that it ushers in a NEW era in dealing with unsavory leaders around the world.
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You know the attitude of most Americans?
Most Americans never want war fella. But when shooting starts, most Americans want their troops to come home alive!....however that occurs..if that means shoot them up, then so be it!
The real troublw with america these days is too much religious interference in the politics...not enough separation of church and state!
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Not following everything allyuh saying but what is the spin on Clinton voting for the war?
I not so sure Iraq would be the most important topic come next year but it might get the most attention.
What dey need now...ah workable exit plan? With the $$ i lose in the stock market game I eh feel bad atall with the $$ them lose in that investment.....a blackhole of money oui.
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Not following everything allyuh saying but what is the spin on Clinton voting for the war?
I not so sure Iraq would be the most important topic come next year but it might get the most attention.
What dey need now...ah workable exit plan? With the $$ i lose in the stock market game I eh feel bad atall with the $$ them lose in that investment.....a blackhole of money oui.
as far as I could make out, Hillary voted FOR the war and then she said Baby Bush ABUSED his power after he was given the go ahead...very simplistic observation on my part
maybe the wordsmiths could elaborate
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the debate is in re-run on CNN right now
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the debate is in re-run on CNN right now
you mean the friendly debate?
Mike hukabee on mtv...seem like a reasonable guy
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the debate is in re-run on CNN right now
you mean the friendly debate?
Mike hukabee on mtv...seem like a reasonable guy
Bounty watch yuh doh get ketch eh! "Reasonableness" and polish comes by way of a fella wearing heavy make-up with a wicked comb-over and hours of prepping time. That is their job, to seem reasonable. I not doubting your political instincts or intelligence; I nearly get ketch so too.
IMHO the only one who holds no allure for me is MR. Paul, the former internet phenom, the choice of those who support White Nationalism in the United States.
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I have it on good authority ... Ron Paul is running ads on African-American radio stations in a Super Tuesday bid ...
Zando, how that go song?
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I have it on good authority ... Ron Paul is running ads on African-American radio stations in a Super Tuesday bid ...
Zando, how that go song?
who sponsoring dem ads
NAACP :devil:
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Germany always has the best political floats for carnival
(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080204/i/r487381660.jpg)
(http://d.yimg.com/ca.yimg.com/p/080204/afp/isgefub87040208203557photo00.jpg?x=380&y=245&sig=XPKTfxK_Yr3FPf3FRXaO4A--)
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Germany always has the best political floats for carnival
:rotfl:
I have it on good authority ... Ron Paul is running ads on African-American radio stations in a Super Tuesday bid ...
Zando, how that go song?
Maybe something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EuNgqIiz60
Either way, much smoke and mirrors will be involved.....
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Hillary Shaves Head to Grab Limelight from Obama (http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2493)
(http://www.scrappleface.com/images/hillarybald440.jpg)
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Obama only VUPPING ;D ;D
licks like FIRE
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Star, imagine a black man wins Idaho and North Dakota. How de lyrics go ... heheh ... he's a force by himself and a movement when we're together ...
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Star, imagine a black man wins Idaho and North Dakota. How de lyrics go ... heheh ... he's a force by himself and a movement when we're together ...
yuh clutching straws.The popular vote was a statistical dead heat between Hillary and Barack, but the crux of the matter is the delegates!
Hillary has the distinct advantage in the delegate rich states. still the race is VERY CLOSE!
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When are you going to admit that the Democratic caucus/primary electorate is presenting a repudiation of Senator Clinton - albeit not (yet) one that can firmly be characterized as a comprehensive repudiation? In very short order Senator Obama managed to suppress Mrs. Clinton's lead of a week and a half ago. When he has had the benefit of sharing who he is with the electorate, he makes remarkable progress. Alternatively, she can't afford to be that transparent. It does not work for her. Examine her constituency - and you'll find a hardcore base unmoved by message and fairly intransigent on transformation of the Democratic Party. Beyond that, I think it speaks volumes that more educated folks are not duped by the duplicity of what Senator Clinton represents. In raw terms, the "known commodity" is struggling.
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When are you going to admit that the Democratic caucus/primary electorate is presenting a repudiation of Senator Clinton - albeit not (yet) one that can firmly be characterized as a comprehensive repudiation? In very short order Senator Obama managed to suppress Mrs. Clinton's lead of a week and a half ago. When he has had the benefit of sharing who he is with the electorate, he makes remarkable progress. Alternatively, she can't afford to be that transparent. It does not work for her. Examine her constituency - and you'll find a hardcore base unmoved by message and fairly intransigent on transformation of the Democratic Party. Beyond that, I think it speaks volumes that more educated folks are not duped by the duplicity of what Senator Clinton represents. In raw terms, the "known commodity" is struggling.
yuh mean "women"? ;)
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That was one of the words I decided not to type ... guilty
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TT, oh gorm ... yuh go lehme lick a free shot? De part ribbit highlight dey is so ... so PNM ... hehheheh ... come good eh, doh bring no distracting BS ... meh perimeter set up and ah up on elevated ground ...
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Delegate count update:
Hillary Clinton
Pledged: 632
Superdelegates: 193
Total: 825
Barack Obama
Pledged: 626
Superdelegates: 106
Total: 732
1583 out of 4049 delegates awarded so far.
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Five reasons Hillary should be worried
By: Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen
Feb 6, 2008 02:31 PM EST
Former first lady holds a slight overall edge in delegates but the map, money and momentum favor Obama.
Photo: AP
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Hillary Clinton survived a Super Tuesday scare. But there are five big reasons the former first lady should be spooked by the current trajectory of the campaign.
Longtime Clinton friends say she recognizes the peril in careening between near-death primary night experiences and small-bore victories.
Although the friends did not have details, they believe she may go ahead with the campaign shake-up she had been planning just before her surprise victory in New Hampshire.
Her team is girding for trench warfare, telling reporters that the nomination will not be decided until at least the Pennsylvania primary on April 22, if then.
Clinton aides told reporters on a conference call today that the Democratic Party’s complex delegate allocation rules mean that neither candidate is likely to take a sizable lead in the foreseeable future.
While Clinton’s campaign gloated about having the most total delegates for the cycle so far, her staff nevertheless recognizes that Super Tuesday was no triumph. Here’s why:
1. She lost the delegate derby. Pure and simple, this is a war to win delegates, one that might not be decided until this summer’s Democratic convention.
And when the smoke cleared this morning, it appeared that Barack Obama had ended up with slightly more delegates in the 22 states.
Obama’s campaign says the senator finished ahead by 14 delegates.
With results still coming in, Clinton’s campaign says the candidates finished within five or six delegates of each other. Either way, Super Tuesday was essentially a draw.
Clinton may still hold the edge overall, but Obama is closing in rapidly.
2. She essentially tied Obama in the popular vote. Each won just over 7.3 million votes, a level of parity that was unthinkable as recently as a few weeks ago.
At the time, national polls showed Clinton with a commanding lead — in some cases, by 10 points or more. That dominance is now gone.
One reason is that polls and primary results reveal that the more voters get to know Obama, the more they seem to like him.
This is especially troubling for Clinton since the schedule slows dramatically now and a full month will pass before the next big-state showdown.
All of this allows candidates ample time to introduce themselves to voters in each state — which plays to Obama’s core strengths.
3. She lost more states. Obama carried 14 states, six more than Clinton, and showed appeal in every geographical region.
His win in bellwether Missouri was impressive by nearly every measure, marked by victories among men and women, secular and churchgoing voters, and urban and suburban voters.
4. She lost the January cash war. Money chases momentum, so Obama crushing’s 2-to-1 fundraising victory last month is revealing.
He raised more than $31 million; Clinton raised less than $14 million. The implication is hard to ignore: Democratic activists and donors are flocking to Obama at a pace that could have a profound effect on the race going forward.
5. The calendar is her enemy. Now that more than half the states have weighed in, there is a fairly predictable formula for determining who is most likely to win the upcoming contests.
In caucus states, Obama’s organizational strength shines: He has won seven of eight. Up next are three more caucus states, Washington, Nebraska and Maine.
Obama also runs tremendously well in states with large African-American populations, another promising sign since next Tuesday’s three primaries are in the District of Columbia, Maryland and Virginia — all of which have significant percentages of black voters.
Then comes another caucus state, Hawaii, where Obama is viewed as a native son.
The bottom line is that it figures to be another month before Clinton hits a stretch of states — places like Ohio and Pennsylvania — where she will be strongly favored to win.
So it couldn’t be any clearer as to why the supposedly inevitable candidacy is anything but — even when she’s supposedly winning.
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they speculating that romney will drop out - is his money to burn. mccain look to be the gop choice.
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they speculating that romney will drop out - is his money to burn. mccain look to be the gop choice.
(http://www.drudgereport.com/jma.jpg)
"arrrrr, dat would be right matey"
ah hear ah quote dis on de radio dis morning...from Pat Buchanan of all people w/regard to the mid east war...he say if McCain becomes president "he will make Cheney look like Ghandi" :D
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Michael Moore (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGv6XBxk1IA) and here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeBvrkbZTss&feature=related)
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so it look like Mitt gorn ...
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Mighty Sparrow Calypso - Barack The Magnificent
Click here to listen (http://www.tntingermany.com/mp3/music/sparrow-votebarak.mp3)
Mighty Sparrow Sings Obama`s Praises
CaribWorldNews, QUEENS, NY, Tues. 5, 2008: The Birdie, The Mighty Sparrow, is among those urging Caribbean nationals to vote for Senator Barack Obama today.
Dr. Slinger Francisco, Grenada-born, Trinidad raised, Calypso King of The World, has composed a special song for the Democratic Presidential hopeful.
The calypso single, `Barack The Magnificent,` is an infectious lyric that takes the listener through the senator’s humble beginnings and his rise to the top.
`Barack! Barack! He is fighting for openness and honest government. Barack is doggedly defiant: phenomenal strength, and wisdom beyond comment,` states the chorus of the song.
`Stop the war. Stop genocide in Darfur. No matter what … get health care for have not… He stood his ground when the war was a conception. Said it was wrong so he didn’t go along... he’s a man of resplendent vision,` adds Sparrow. `What’s at stake… clean up Washington. … Democrats rise up and fight.`
Last summer, Sparrow endorsed Obama at a brief exclusive meeting at the Marriott Hotel in Brooklyn, NY. Sparrow is no stranger to political rhyme. His 1956 hit, `Jean and Dinah,` which focused on the fallout from Americans who had left Trinidad`s military bases, was a political satire that was followed by songs like ` Ayatollah` and `Wanted Dead Or Alive,` and ` Martin Luther King for President.`
American voters, both Democrats and Republicans in 24 states and Guam, will vote in the Super Tuesday election today. At stake are 1,681 pledged delegates for the Democrats, representing nearly half of all the pledged delegates available during the entire season. The Republicans, have 975, or 41 per cent of the total, to be won.
As of last night, polls showed a close battle between Obama and Senator Hillary Clinton. Both candidates campaigned in Connecticut and New Jersey yesterday. Obama picked up the endorsement of Hollywood Actor Robert DeNiro as he made an appearance before some 3,000 at the Meadowlands arena in New Jersey, a day after the New York Giants, who use the arena to practice, won the Super Bowl in a stunning upset over the New England Patriots. A Quinnipiac University Poll yesterday showed Obama closing in on Clinton in New York and New Jersey, states considered to be largely Hillary country.
In New York, Sen. Clinton led Obama 53 - 39 percent among likely Democratic primary voters, compared to 51 - 25 percent on January 22 while in New Jersey, Clinton edges Obama 48 - 43 percent among likely Democratic voters, compared to 49 - 32 percent January 23.
Among Republicans, Senator John McCain led Mitt Romney 54 - 22 percent among likely Republican voters, up from 30 - 9 percent in a January 22 poll while McCain tops Romney 52 - 30 percent among likely Republican voters, compared to 29 - 14 percent January 23.
On the Democratic side, 2,025 delegate votes are needed for the Presidential nomination; among Republicans, 1,191. Each party has an additional number of delegates who are not mandated on Tuesday. They bring the total number of delegates to 2,088 Democrats and 1,081 Republicans. So far, Obama is leading the delegate count with 34 compared to Clinton`s 21.
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Imagine de scene if kaiso was de dominant idiom in de US ... is then Barack blasting that on ads US wide.
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Five reasons Hillary should be worried
By: Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen
Feb 6, 2008 02:31 PM EST
Former first lady holds a slight overall edge in delegates but the map, money and momentum favor Obama.
Photo: AP
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Hillary Clinton survived a Super Tuesday scare. But there are five big reasons the former first lady should be spooked by the current trajectory of the campaign.
Longtime Clinton friends say she recognizes the peril in careening between near-death primary night experiences and small-bore victories.
Although the friends did not have details, they believe she may go ahead with the campaign shake-up she had been planning just before her surprise victory in New Hampshire.
Her team is girding for trench warfare, telling reporters that the nomination will not be decided until at least the Pennsylvania primary on April 22, if then.
Clinton aides told reporters on a conference call today that the Democratic Party’s complex delegate allocation rules mean that neither candidate is likely to take a sizable lead in the foreseeable future.
While Clinton’s campaign gloated about having the most total delegates for the cycle so far, her staff nevertheless recognizes that Super Tuesday was no triumph. Here’s why:
1. She lost the delegate derby. Pure and simple, this is a war to win delegates, one that might not be decided until this summer’s Democratic convention.
And when the smoke cleared this morning, it appeared that Barack Obama had ended up with slightly more delegates in the 22 states.
Obama’s campaign says the senator finished ahead by 14 delegates.
With results still coming in, Clinton’s campaign says the candidates finished within five or six delegates of each other. Either way, Super Tuesday was essentially a draw.
Clinton may still hold the edge overall, but Obama is closing in rapidly.
2. She essentially tied Obama in the popular vote. Each won just over 7.3 million votes, a level of parity that was unthinkable as recently as a few weeks ago.
At the time, national polls showed Clinton with a commanding lead — in some cases, by 10 points or more. That dominance is now gone.
One reason is that polls and primary results reveal that the more voters get to know Obama, the more they seem to like him.
This is especially troubling for Clinton since the schedule slows dramatically now and a full month will pass before the next big-state showdown.
All of this allows candidates ample time to introduce themselves to voters in each state — which plays to Obama’s core strengths.
3. She lost more states. Obama carried 14 states, six more than Clinton, and showed appeal in every geographical region.
His win in bellwether Missouri was impressive by nearly every measure, marked by victories among men and women, secular and churchgoing voters, and urban and suburban voters.
4. She lost the January cash war. Money chases momentum, so Obama crushing’s 2-to-1 fundraising victory last month is revealing.
He raised more than $31 million; Clinton raised less than $14 million. The implication is hard to ignore: Democratic activists and donors are flocking to Obama at a pace that could have a profound effect on the race going forward.
5. The calendar is her enemy. Now that more than half the states have weighed in, there is a fairly predictable formula for determining who is most likely to win the upcoming contests.
In caucus states, Obama’s organizational strength shines: He has won seven of eight. Up next are three more caucus states, Washington, Nebraska and Maine.
Obama also runs tremendously well in states with large African-American populations, another promising sign since next Tuesday’s three primaries are in the District of Columbia, Maryland and Virginia — all of which have significant percentages of black voters.
Then comes another caucus state, Hawaii, where Obama is viewed as a native son.
The bottom line is that it figures to be another month before Clinton hits a stretch of states — places like Ohio and Pennsylvania — where she will be strongly favored to win.
So it couldn’t be any clearer as to why the supposedly inevitable candidacy is anything but — even when she’s supposedly winning.
not one mention of florida or michigan. dean in a fix right now.
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ah hear ah quote dis on de radio dis morning...from Pat Buchanan of all people w/regard to the mid east war...he say if McCain becomes president "he will make Cheney look like Ghandi" :D
dat man have SERIOUS Issues, and probably would take his frustartions about his incarceration in the POW camp out on ANY country that is at war with the USA.
Lawd help dem if he is ever president.
anyone say, "chinese water torture syndrome?" ;)
interesting read (http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_wasmccainbrainswashed.htm)
"The North Vietnamese Army discovered that Lt. McCain was the son of Adm. John McCain Jr., commander of the Pacific Fleet, and his grandfather was Adm. John McCain Sr. who commanded aircraft carriers under Adm. Bill Halsey in the Pacific during World War II. Because of his family’s powerful military heritage, the NVA believed that Lt. McCain would one day hold a prominent position in the U.S. government. He then became the target of incredible torture and attempts at re-education,................................................Eventually, McCain signed a letter claiming to be a war criminal and apologizing for the U.S. involvement in Vietnam. He also did many radio and television interviews, some with foreign correspondents which is a severe violation of the military code of conduct.," :thinking: :thinking:
things that make you go........."I hope dat f**ker ent get elected president"
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interesting read (http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_wasmccainbrainswashed.htm)
umm..you doh think that piece ah lil extreme...and biased like fire....dem kinda article does ususally come from same kinda people dat say obama did study in ah extremist muslim school
either way...dis is the latest t-shirt that go ensure he loss de wukk
(http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/bros_before_hoes_t-shirt.gif)
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umm..you doh think that piece ah lil extreme...and biased like fire....dem kinda article does ususally come from same kinda people dat say obama did study in ah extremist muslim school
you had ta bring 'reason" into de mix eh
ya right...buh he is a republican...so I ent givin he no bligh........wha de man in Deer Hunter used to say "Moa...Moa (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sRHd5pngWE)" ;)
seriously: de man is damaged goods....unpredictable in my opinion
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you had ta bring 'reason" into de mix eh
sorry,,for ah second there ah was channelling Kicker & Fihlo
carry on
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well wha i saying is ... with Romney's "suspension" ... conservatives in a rell tizzy ... not a genuine representative left in de camp ... Newt Gingrich prolly saying boy if only ah wasn't so random in meh personal life ... Frist thinking WTF ... and so on ...
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well wha i saying is ... with Romney's "suspension" ... conservatives in a rell tizzy ... not a genuine representative left in de camp ... Newt Gingrich prolly saying boy if only ah wasn't so random in meh personal life ... Frist thinking WTF ... and so on ... Asylumseeker: "Oh boy, truetrini will have fodder now! Damn, I wish I was a PNM instead of a damn conservative!"
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well wha i saying is ... with Romney's "suspension" ... conservatives in a rell tizzy ... not a genuine representative left in de camp ... Newt Gingrich prolly saying boy if only ah wasn't so random in meh personal life ... Frist thinking WTF ... and so on ...
yuh sure dat is de problem? ... or no one want to follow dubya's opening act? ???
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they speculating that romney will drop out - is his money to burn. mccain look to be the gop choice.
(http://www.drudgereport.com/jma.jpg)
"arrrrr, dat would be right matey"
ah hear ah quote dis on de radio dis morning...from Pat Buchanan of all people w/regard to the mid east war...he say if McCain becomes president "he will make Cheney look like Ghandi" :D
THAT is a thought. he gorn off to run down dem "g**ks" if he reach de white house. :-\
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TT, dat was to bring yuh out a de shadows ... heheheh ... deliberately phrased as such ... ;) It was either that or starta McCain thread ... maybe I'll save that pending de outcome of the Dem nomination race ... heheheh
yeah ribbit, dubya's opening act is a chiller, buh usually a braveheart or 2 would step in regardless ... boost name recog now and come again in de laters ... dem men realise this is McCain year, buh was fighting it on ideological grounds ... Thompson took de bait buh could never get orf de mark ... he was the genuine article dey sought but he was rusty no end. Frist was looking good to go for a lil bit dey buh he had to put some distance between the present climate and the race to the White House ... plus all dat financial reporting bobol he had to survive ...
romney was a pretender to the throne from the start buh he was all dey had to hold on to so dey embrace him ... ah could only imagine how Hannity and Rush and dem geh orn today.
Nex rongs will have a full line a dem ... ah eh go call no names eh, familiarity will raise TT wrath ;D
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Hannity and rush and A_seeker all have upset stomach tonight!
What has happened to the Republican party?
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What has happened to the Republican party?
1) BUSHwhacked (http://downloads.warprecords.com/morris/bushwhacked.mp3) ;D
2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushwhacked_MP3
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What has happened to the Republican party?
1) BUSHwhacked (http://downloads.warprecords.com/morris/bushwhacked.mp3) ;D
2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushwhacked_MP3
:o What! Yuh subversive man! Take care W don't send somebody fuh yuh.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=OrzXt58zuN4&feature=related
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=FLhQHeyOrnY&feature=related
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send him nuh, ah liming wid mah
pardna osama ah mean mah buddies here :D
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Romney "suspend" he campaign the same way TTFF suspend Wim...
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great point bitter
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Those undemocratic democrats - the super delegates:
Obama or Clinton: Will Party Elite or Voters Decide? (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4261986&page=1)
"This is a complete disaster," blogged Chris Bowers this week on his Open Left website.
"It will shine light on complicated bylaws, and the questionable democratic nature of the delegate selection process instead of on voters. Fascinating as it might be for political junkies, it is not the kind of image Democrats need," Bowers wrote.
Other liberal pundits are piling on against what they call the "tyranny" of the Democratic Party's super delegates.
"Strengthen our democracy by reforming the super-delegate system so that the people, not the party establishment, choose their candidate," blogged Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor of The Nation.
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dis ting eh done yet??..people still decidin?
what de hell kinda demock-racy allyuh runnin dey
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Hillary Laughs about Iran War Resolution (http://youtube.com/watch?v=npzN3dZR6JM)
HILLARY BACKPEDALS FROM IRANIAN GUARD TERRORIST VOTE (http://youtube.com/watch?v=1x2-UFkxbaQ)
Mike Gravel: "Eisenhower's Warning" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=oCkgFr7CACY)
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www.dipdive.com (http://www.dipdive.com)
well
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Hillary Laughs about Iran War Resolution (http://youtube.com/watch?v=npzN3dZR6JM)
HILLARY BACKPEDALS FROM IRANIAN GUARD TERRORIST VOTE (http://youtube.com/watch?v=1x2-UFkxbaQ)
Mike Gravel: "Eisenhower's Warning" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=oCkgFr7CACY)
Fella, we does usually see eye to eye on many political topics.
We seem to differ greatly on this issue!
I too would make a similar vote if I were in such a position.
This is clear cut, not like de Iraq war resolution where Bush and his associates lied to Congress and the entire nation!
Iran is seriously supporting terrorism, in Iraq and in Lebanon eetc.
I know that Bush allowed the terrorists to enter Iraq when he illegally invaded Iraq...but that does NOT give Iran the right to send arms etc nto that nation!
I am with Hillary, Lieberman and Bush on this.
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buh wait nuh man
we HEARD all this before
I dont trust any of that
one day the people of the USA WILL wake up and refuse to listen to the cry of "WOLF"
you ent hear what Edwards said.
Democratic Presidential Candidate Mike Gravel says, "we should be guided by Eisenhower's warning that an inordinate emphasis on military power breeds a culture of militarism that threatens other vital areas of our society."
TOO late bro.....dat happen arready
here, read dis website..... http://www.newamericancentury.org/ dem republicans that are on this board ent esy atall ::)
USA is time to look inward and HELP your own people
Just Imagine if they spent ALL that Money to create programs within the USA instead of spending that money on WAR!!!!!.....that RIGHT there is the MOST telling.
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this could really be an election of firsts:
hilary first woman president.
obama first black president.
huckabee first cokey-eye president.
(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080209/capt.2297cfa0a4974cd8b30c086bea45faac.huckabee_2008_dchg105.jpg)
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this could really be an election of firsts:
hilary first woman president.
obama first black president.
huckabee first cokey-eye president. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080209/capt.2297cfa0a4974cd8b30c086bea45faac.huckabee_2008_dchg105.jpg)
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Aye he did an interview and I was tinking " is it me or de camera?"
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buh wait nuh man
we HEARD all this before
I dont trust any of that
one day the people of the USA WILL wake up and refuse to listen to the cry of "WOLF"
you ent hear what Edwards said.
Democratic Presidential Candidate Mike Gravel says, "we should be guided by Eisenhower's warning that an inordinate emphasis on military power breeds a culture of militarism that threatens other vital areas of our society."
TOO late bro.....dat happen arready
here, read dis website..... http://www.newamericancentury.org/ dem republicans that are on this board ent esy atall ::)
USA is time to look inward and HELP your own people
Just Imagine if they spent ALL that Money to create programs within the USA instead of spending that money on WAR!!!!!.....that RIGHT there is the MOST telling.
breds anyone can say anything and make oit out of context!
The USA has forver been a military might.
The thing is we have been largely isolationist until recent times.....last 50 years!
But from the Monroe doctrine (actually penned by Adams) was a show of military might.
The USA has always used power projection, especially naval power.
When Reagan destroyed the Soviet Union is was an arms race that ultimatley bankrupted them.
We out spent them, plain and simple.
The trouble is playing world policeman and NOT having a set rule for foreign policy.
The truth is, you have to wave the big stick if you perceive a GENUINE threat! What has been hapenning under Bush is lies and bull shit.
Let me remind you of the fable of the boy who cried wolf.
Now a real threat has emerged noone believes him. Them iraninas eh easy at all, jes like dem North Koreans, best tuh deal with dem early as possible and not give them any leverage at all!
I am not a war monger, au contraire, but ah good dose ah beat down is sometimes what the Bush Doctor ordered!
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Mr. Truetrini stated:
I am with Hillary, Lieberman and Bush on this.
and
The truth is, you have to wave the big stick if you perceive a GENUINE threat! What has been hapenning under Bush is lies and bull shit.
So you recognise the political arena yields strange bedfellows ... Excellent!
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West Coast:
...dem republicans that are on this board ent esy atall
Watchya talkin bout Willis!? ;D
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Mr. Truetrini stated:
I am with Hillary, Lieberman and Bush on this.
and
The truth is, you have to wave the big stick if you perceive a GENUINE threat! What has been hapenning under Bush is lies and bull shit.
So you recognise the political arena yields strange bedfellows ... Excellent!
political security for surety yeah!
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buh wait nuh man
we HEARD all this before
I dont trust any of that
one day the people of the USA WILL wake up and refuse to listen to the cry of "WOLF"
you ent hear what Edwards said.
Democratic Presidential Candidate Mike Gravel says, "we should be guided by Eisenhower's warning that an inordinate emphasis on military power breeds a culture of militarism that threatens other vital areas of our society."
TOO late bro.....dat happen arready
here, read dis website..... http://www.newamericancentury.org/ dem republicans that are on this board ent esy atall ::)
USA is time to look inward and HELP your own people
Just Imagine if they spent ALL that Money to create programs within the USA instead of spending that money on WAR!!!!!.....that RIGHT there is the MOST telling.
breds anyone can say anything and make oit out of context!
The USA has forver been a military might.
The thing is we have been largely isolationist until recent times.....last 50 years!
But from the Monroe doctrine (actually penned by Adams) was a show of military might.
The USA has always used power projection, especially naval power.
When Reagan destroyed the Soviet Union is was an arms race that ultimatley bankrupted them.
We out spent them, plain and simple.
The trouble is playing world policeman and NOT having a set rule for foreign policy.
The truth is, you have to wave the big stick if you perceive a GENUINE threat! What has been hapenning under Bush is lies and bull shit.
Let me remind you of the fable of the boy who cried wolf.
Now a real threat has emerged noone believes him. Them iraninas eh easy at all, jes like dem North Koreans, best tuh deal with dem early as possible and not give them any leverage at all!
I am not a war monger, au contraire, but ah good dose ah beat down is sometimes what the Bush Doctor ordered!
50 years? dat maths need checking. the usa has been expansionist for longer than that. ask the cubans, the phillipinos, the mexicans, etc..
iranians a threat? to whom? to the usa? the usa outspending the rest of the world in military by a considerable margin. to iraq? usa there for the next 100 years (or till the oil run out) according to mccain. iraq safe.
usa need to bring their foreign policy back in-house instead of outsourcing it.
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"The Spanish American War
The war began after the American demand for Spain's peacefully resolving the Cuban fight for independence was rejected, though strong expansionist sentiment in the United States may have motivated the government to target Spain's remaining overseas territories: Cuba, Puerto Rico, the Philippines, Guam and the Caroline Islands.[1]"
America had no direct reason to get involved in that war, ( as many countries would argue today that it was an internal Issue of the Spanish), but the outcome was very beneficial for them as "Only 109 days after the outbreak of war, the Treaty of Paris, which ended the conflict, gave the United States ownership of the former Spanish colonies of Puerto Rico, the Philippines and Guam."
and THAT is the CRUX of their involvement"
Ok, look at this article I found that is called........
"A History of American Wars
it starts off by saying........
The mother of all terrorists...to be taken quite literally!
For those of you who want facts and figures and have the intellect to judge 'good' from 'evil' and the courage to know and say out the truth....for the rest, don't bother reading any further!"
remember is NOT my words eh
http://www.ilaam.net/Sept11/AmericanWars.html
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West Cast ah glad to see dat yuh learning something, but doh rush in fella, step back and look at everything and not just what yuh read in ah quick timing.
Pecan is right off course, the US entered into a period of colonialism, but I was refering to more recent incidents. Power projection is not an invasion.
sometimes for a democracy to function and work well, there needs to be organizations operating within that democracy that are certaily non-democratic and have qualities that may make lesser mortals shrink with revulsion.
There are many instances where the US entered conflicts with less than stellar motives,a nd there are times when honour was the order of the day.
You may just be learning a little about the spanish american war..if a war is what yuh want tuh call it...it was ah ral quickie and de Spanish buckle faster dan de COP
De Spanish american war was largely an effor by some US Publishers who used their newpapers to influence opinion in the US. Hearst and he fren ..go look it up.
Anyway to say that PR is stil occupied is a joke. Cuba was left alone by the USA, big istake they should have grabbed it like dey did Guam, Hawaii and the Phillipines but sa what, hindsight is 20/20...ent?
I am not a war monger i repeat but sometimes it is necessary to achieve ends.
An for yuh info...is Spain who declare war first eh....even if dey did see it coming from de US dem went with dey self and declare war FIRST!
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As for Pecan's assertion that Iran is no danger to the US, that is false, and patently so.
They may not have the ability to harm the US militarily, but certainly in the bank book, and that is a no-no!
If Iran interferes with the status quo in the middle east, and mind you, most Arab nations doh like Iran. Then our trading pardners will suffer and dat will directly affect US interests and balance of trade.
The mistakes of the illegal invasion of Iraq notwithstanding, Iran is dangerous to the US from a trade standpoint.
Will expand further, going out tonight.
sorry
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Yellow Journalism influenced the start of that war, and american sent in their ship first. Is in the wikipedia article.
"Riots in Havana by pro-Spanish "Voluntarios" gave the United States a reason to send in the warship USS Maine to indicate high national interest. Tension among the American people was raised because of the explosion of the USS Maine, and "yellow journalism" that accused Spain of extensive atrocities, agitating American public opinion."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish-American_War
what about this article
"the Hispanic - Cuban- American war, it happened because the USA government had been watching very closely the war in Cuba between the patriots fighting for their independence and the Spanish authorities that had been going since 1868, waiting for the appropriate moment to intervene.
When the Cubans were in the verge of defeating the Spaniards, the Yanks sent the warship Maine, supposedly to protect the American citizens in Cuba. The ship exploded in the bay, and there were two investigations, one from the yanks and the other from the Spaniards.
The results were contradictory. Spain suggested an international arbitrage, but the USA declared war to Spain and defeated her. "
http://au.answers.yahoo.com/answers2/frontend.php/question?qid=20071210033957AA459Zj
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West Cast ah glad to see dat yuh learning something, but doh rush in fella, step back and look at everything and not just what yuh read in ah quick timing.
Pecan is right off course, the US entered into a period of colonialism, but I was refering to more recent incidents. Power projection is not an invasion.
sometimes for a democracy to function and work well, there needs to be organizations operating within that democracy that are certaily non-democratic and have qualities that may make lesser mortals shrink with revulsion.
There are many instances where the US entered conflicts with less than stellar motives,a nd there are times when honour was the order of the day.
You may just be learning a little about the spanish american war..if a war is what yuh want tuh call it...it was ah ral quickie and de Spanish buckle faster dan de COP
De Spanish american war was largely an effor by some US Publishers who used their newpapers to influence opinion in the US. Hearst and he fren ..go look it up.
Anyway to say that PR is stil occupied is a joke. Cuba was left alone by the USA, big istake they should have grabbed it like dey did Guam, Hawaii and the Phillipines but sa what, hindsight is 20/20...ent?
I am not a war monger i repeat but sometimes it is necessary to achieve ends.
An for yuh info...is Spain who declare war first eh....even if dey did see it coming from de US dem went with dey self and declare war FIRST!
tell them about the black soldiers that went over to occupy the phillipines and TURNED to fight the americans. but say what.
next topic: american-haiti relations. ;D
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tell them about the black soldiers that went over to occupy the phillipines and TURNED to fight the americans. but say what.
next topic: american-haiti relations. ;D
yeah, Cousins of Color (http://books.google.com/books?id=BmpVY97KBJEC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Cousins+of+Color&sig=zI0zEaNvYSBYKDqzKpJiNrJyDXA) (book preview)
short article here (http://www.counterpunch.org/rimando11162004.html)
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As for Pecan's assertion that Iran is no danger to the US, that is false, and patently so.
They may not have the ability to harm the US militarily, but certainly in the bank book, and that is a no-no!
If Iran interferes with the status quo in the middle east, and mind you, most Arab nations doh like Iran. Then our trading pardners will suffer and dat will directly affect US interests and balance of trade.
The mistakes of the illegal invasion of Iraq notwithstanding, Iran is dangerous to the US from a trade standpoint.
Will expand further, going out tonight.
sorry
from a trade standpoint? the same iran that have US sanctions on it since adam? US business staying away from iran for a long time now.
the question remains unanswered - who is threatened by iran?
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from a trade standpoint? the same iran that have US sanctions on it since adam? US business staying away from iran for a long time now.
the question remains unanswered - who is threatened by iran?
Ribbit, check de story here (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/16/wiran16.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/10/16/ixportaltop.html)
you will notice that they have brilliantly tied in the North Koreans also ::)
dat probably writen by the same people that said "Goddam Insane" had WMD's and also made those claims against those Iranian Zodiacs goin and bomb dem ships..........................untill the REAL TRUTH came out..
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anyway..............Why Did Mitt Quitt?
I wonder if someone DUG up some dirt on him and he decided he gorn
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The Blame Game
Tom Barry, IRC | October 11, 2006
Stumping for Republican candidates across the country in recent weeks, Vice President Dick Cheney has honed in on a particular message: Terrorists are “still lethal, still desperately trying to hit us again,” and Democrats are no good at security (Washington Post, October 8, 2006). The administration and the Republican Party are again hawking the security issue prior to elections. Not only are they saying that they are the only ones who can be trusted to protect the nation's security, but they are also trying to burnish their own security credentials by tarnishing those of the Clinton administration.
As part of this campaign, conservative pundits have attacked the record of former President Bill Clinton, arguing that he missed chances to destroy terrorist networks. During a highly publicized September 24 interview with Fox News' Chris Wallace, Clinton accused Wallace and Fox of undertaking a “conservative hit job” on his administration's national security record and of neglecting to adequately question President George W. Bush's antiterrorism efforts.
Just as the former president thought it necessary to establish the political context for the debate over who bears responsibility for not preventing 9/11, it is also helpful to put the current fear-mongering campaign into recent historical context—especially since none of the pre-9/11 efforts had anything to do with terrorism.
Early in his first term, Clinton faced a concerted attack on his administration for being supposedly weak on defense when several hawkish congressional figures and outside pressure groups tried to revive Reagan-era missile defense programs. In May 1993, Clinton's Secretary of Defense Les Aspin produced the administration's first Quadrennial Defense Review, a periodic Pentagon study assessing the country's national defense posture. Hailed by the administration as a “bottom-up review” of defense needs and priorities, the assessment concluded that plans for a full-blown missile defense system were neither technically feasible, nor financially possible. Aspin ordered the closure of the Pentagon's Strategic Defense Initiative Office, downgrading the plans by assigning them to a new Ballistic Missile Defense Organization.
This outraged several hardline defense outfits like the Center for Security Policy (CSP) and High Frontier, as well as the defense lobby led by Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, and TRW. With their Republican allies a minority in Congress, the missile defense lobby mobilized a coordinated grassroots congressional and media campaign to boost support for a combination of national and regional missile defense systems. Joining CSP in orchestrating the campaign were a number of other rightist policy outfits, including the American Conservative Union, the S.A.F.E. Foundation, the Coalition to Protect Americans Now, and Americans for Missile Defense, which together represented a formidable coalition of social conservatives, neoconservatives, unionists, and hardline Republican nationalists.
The Coalition to Protect Americans Now revived Reagan's window-of-vulnerability claim in its demand to abolish arms control treaties and construct a defense system to “protect our families from ballistic missile attack.” It sponsored a website featuring a map of the United States where, by selecting a town's location, a reader could receive often misleading information about which countries had or soon supposedly would have the capability to strike it with an intercontinental missile.
Further enflaming the hardliners was a 1995 CIA National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) that asserted that apart from Russia or China, no rogue state could possibly pose a long-range missile threat to the United States before 2010. In response, congressional hawks, who after the 1996 elections controlled both houses of Congress, promoted a Team B-type evaluation of the NIE, resulting in the creation of a blue-ribbon panel known as the Gates Commission (after its chairman, former CIA Director Robert Gates). In its 1996 report, the commission concluded that the technical obstacles facing rogue states in developing intercontinental missile capability were even greater than those described by the CIA.
Unsatisfied with this outcome, the “peace-through-strength” lobby pushed their congressional allies to establish various “independent” commissions. Congressional figures affiliated with CSP successfully lobbied for the creation of two commissions, both to be headed by Donald Rumsfeld, to examine the ballistic missile threat and space-based defense capabilities. The unstated agenda of these commissions was to increase pressure on the Clinton administration to support new weapons programs and substantially increase major military spending. Both of the so-called “Rumsfeld Commissions,” which undertook their work in the second half of the 1990s, assumed that the country faced near-term threats from a “strategic competitor” such as China, or a “rogue” like North Korea.
Both commissions received funding from defense spending bills, using taxpayer revenues to subsidize them. Although billed as independent and nonpartisan, the two commissions—guided by Rumsfeld and his top deputy Stephen Cambone—served to reinforce the positions of administration critics and military boosters.
The Commission to Assess the Ballistic Missile Threat to the United States issued its report on July 15, 1998. The report contended that “rogue states” such as Iraq, North Korea, or Iran could deploy ballistic missiles within “five years of a decision to do so,” contrary to the CIA's estimate that it would take at least 10-15 years.
Although initially challenged by the director of central intelligence, a little more than a year later, in September 1999 the CIA released a new NIE that was substantially more alarmist than its previous one. It predicted that North Korea could test a ballistic missile capable of hitting the United States “at any time” and that Iran could test such a weapon “in the next few years.” Commenting on the new threat assessment, Rep. Curt Weldon (R-PA), a main sponsor of the Rumsfeld Commission, congratulated himself: “It was the largest turnaround ever in the history of the [intelligence] agency.” House Majority Leader Newt Gingrich (R-GA) was similarly ecstatic, saying the commission's conclusion was the “most important warning about our national security system since the end of the Cold War.”
Although CIA officials argued that the new estimate was the result of “improved trade-craft,” many experts attributed the revision to pressure from hardline Republicans, the considerable influence of Rumsfeld, and a campaign by Israel to focus attention on what the Likud government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu saw as a rising missile threat from Iran. A few years later, Joseph Cirincione, then-director of the nonproliferation program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, argued that the CIA's 1995 NIE “holds up pretty well in hindsight.” He accused Weldon and other Republican hawks of developing “a conscious political strategy” to attack the CIA's estimate because “it stood in the way of a passionate belief in missile defense.”
The second Rumsfeld Commission, the Commission to Assess United States National Security Space Management and Organization, was not so much a critique of the government's NIEs as an all-out exhortation to militarize space. The commission found in its January 2001 report that it is “possible to project power through and from space in response to events anywhere in the world … Having this capability would give the United States a much stronger deterrent and, in a conflict, an extraordinary military advantage.”
Paralleling a similar assessment prepared by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) in its Rebuilding America's Defenses report (2000), the Rumsfeld space commission argued that because the United States is without peer among “space-faring” nations, the country is all the more vulnerable to “state and non-state actors hostile to the United States and its interests.” In other words, U.S. enemies would seek to destroy the U.S. economy together with its ability to fight high-tech wars by attacking global positioning satellites and other “space assets.”
Another commission, chaired by the controversial former director of central intelligence, John Deutch, was established in 1998 to assess whether the Clinton administration was failing to adequately monitor and counter the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, particularly in China. The Deutch Commission questioned the administration's ability to assure China's compliance with nuclear export controls and expressed alarm that U.S. bond traders might be helping to finance China's weapons industry.
Rep. Christopher Cox (R-CA) led another commission on China. A recipient of CSP's annual “Keeper of the Flame” award, Cox identified Chinese-Americans as suspects in leaking nuclear weapons data to the Chinese military. His commission, called the House Select Committee on U.S. National Security and Military/National Concerns with the People's Republic of China, issued a report in January 1999 accusing China of large-scale nuclear espionage. The report successfully sparked widespread fear among the public and policymakers that China was stealing U.S. nuclear secrets through payments to highly placed nuclear weapons scientists such as Wen Ho Lee, who worked at the Los Angeles Nuclear Laboratory—and was later cleared of espionage charges.
Paralleling the congressional efforts were campaigns by various hardline and neoconservative pressure groups. PNAC and the Heritage Foundation issued a joint statement in August 1999 strongly criticizing what they perceived as the lack of a firm U.S. commitment to Taiwan. “Efforts by the Clinton administration to pressure Taipei to cede its sovereignty and to adopt Beijing's understanding of ‘One China' are dangerous and directly at odds with American strategic interests, past U.S. policy, and American democratic ideals,” argued the statement.
Concerned that the Clinton administration was doing nothing to address the viability of an aging nuclear weapons stockpile, Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ) insisted in 1998 that the Department of Defense create yet another independent evaluation commission—the Panel to Assess the Reliability, Safety, and Security of the U.S. Nuclear Stockpile, or the “Foster Panel” after its chair John Foster. Kyl, a proponent of flexible uses of nuclear weapons, was among the leading opponents of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, which had Clinton's full support.
In the early 1970s, Foster had been a key instigator within the Ford administration's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board for establishing the Team B exercise. Foster directed the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in the early 1960s and was also a member of the Committee on the Present Danger (CPD) in the 1970s. Foster also had strong connections with defense industries. Predictably, his panel recommended that the U.S. government authorize the speedy production of new nukes, smaller nukes, and high-tech nuclear weapons that could reach precise targets.
The Middle East also occupied center stage for the threat escalators during this time—but not because of the threat of non-state Islamist terrorists. Through PNAC, CSP, and the Committee for Peace and Security in the Gulf (CPSG), the neoconservatives pressured Clinton to authorize support for the Iraqi expatriates of the Iraqi National Congress (INC) under the leadership of Ahmed Chalabi and to plan military operations that would overthrow Saddam Hussein. Congressional Republicans also mounted anti-Hussein initiatives in 1998. Randy Scheunemann, later a PNAC board member, served at the time as the national security aide to House Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-MS), drafting the Iraq Liberation Act, a bill cosponsored by Lott and Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-CT), which allocated $98 million to the INC and made the overthrow of Hussein official government policy.
While they succeeded in pressuring Clinton on many fronts, neoconservatives and allied hardliners failed to push his administration to fully adopt many issues on their agenda. They saw Clinton as soft on Israeli security and despised his sponsorship of the Oslo Accords and his criticism of the rightist Likud policies.
The irony is that despite all the current rhetoric about how Democrats have failed to take terrorism seriously—a failure that purportedly goes back to the early days of the Clinton presidency—hawkish Republicans and their neoconservative allies spent the better part of the 1990s advocating policies that doubtless distracted key policymakers from paying adequate attention to real security issues. Conservatives were raising the alarm over space weapons, China, Iraq, North Korea—not terrorism, a threat they chose to ignore. When George W. Bush arrived in office, his administration focused on all the issues that his party had put in the pipeline, instead of on more pressing concerns.
Tom Barry is policy director of the International Relations Center (www.irc-online.org) and a contributing writer to Right Web (rightweb.irc-online.org).
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50 years? dat maths need checking. the usa has been expansionist for longer than that. ask the cubans, the phillipinos, the mexicans, etc..
iranians a threat? to whom? to the usa? the usa outspending the rest of the world in military by a considerable margin. to iraq? usa there for the next 100 years (or till the oil run out) according to mccain. iraq safe.
usa need to bring their foreign policy back in-house instead of outsourcing it.
I been watching from de sidelines and just marvelling at how allyuh men does misconstrue people argument...allyuh is masters of smoke and mirrors.
Either that or allyuh cyah read.
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De Spanish american war was largely an effor by some US Publishers who used their newpapers to influence opinion in the US. Hearst and he fren ..go look it up.
True talk.
"REMEMBER THE MAINE!!"
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the question remains unanswered - who is threatened by iran?
Stay dey and feel Iran is no threat.
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Fella, yuh naieve or what?
The US has many, many trading pardners. When we invaded Kuwait allyuh feel it was fuh Kuwaiti oil?
steups.
de US was never ah consumer of Kuwaiti oil so tuh speak, but dey trading pardners were...Holland Germany, japan etc.
if them was in trouble den so was de US economy.
simple maths...yuh like nmaths right.
It is more complex dan simple Us direct interests...things are convoluted not as plain as black and white guy.
So Iran is a threat to Israel....the commoditioes market in US run by who again?
Iran is a threat to many in the West, and the Middle East that is why the Arabs support ting against de Irananians and dem?
Dem want tuh spread a radical brand ah Islam fella. Not only dat dem is NOT ARABS and dem is NOT SUNNI!
Dem is Shia.
Iran is a bigger threat than plenty imagine, dat is not to say I support a full fledged invasion, but some strikes against specific nuclear targets not out ah de question, and the US eh have tuh do it eh...Israel will, believe dat!
So who doh know who Iran ois a threat to, and why dem is ah threat, well I recommend some research.
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Fella, yuh naieve or what?
The US has many, many trading pardners. When we invaded Kuwait allyuh feel it was fuh Kuwaiti oil?
steups.
de US was never ah consumer of Kuwaiti oil so tuh speak, but dey trading pardners were...Holland Germany, japan etc.
if them was in trouble den so was de US economy.
simple maths...yuh like nmaths right.
It is more complex dan simple Us direct interests...things are convoluted not as plain as black and white guy.
So Iran is a threat to Israel....the commoditioes market in US run by who again?
Iran is a threat to many in the West, and the Middle East that is why the Arabs support ting against de Irananians and dem?
Dem want tuh spread a radical brand ah Islam fella. Not only dat dem is NOT ARABS and dem is NOT SUNNI!
Dem is Shia.
Iran is a bigger threat than plenty imagine, dat is not to say I support a full fledged invasion, but some strikes against specific nuclear targets not out ah de question, and the US eh have tuh do it eh...Israel will, believe dat!
So who doh know who Iran ois a threat to, and why dem is ah threat, well I recommend some research.
so we make some progress. none of the pretexts yuh offer so far have anything to do with genuine threats to "direct us interests" as you put it. this is a result of the elephant in the room. the trouble with current us foreign policy is that it was penned by some very patriotic israeli-americans. i'll leave it for you to decide how patriotic they are and to whom. it's very touching that the usa is willing to risk american blood and treasure to secure "the world" but (a) it can only be done by spreading myths like the one you have bought into (iran is a "threat" which is a misuse of the word to say the least) in order to gain domestic support and (b) it's not even clear that it is in the usa's best interest.
this is more "complex" as you state above, but not for the reasons you give. the domestic political situation in israel and the usa are the primary drivers of this stance, not any threat from iran. get your facts straight.
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Fella, yuh naieve or what?
The US has many, many trading pardners. When we invaded Kuwait allyuh feel it was fuh Kuwaiti oil?
steups.
de US was never ah consumer of Kuwaiti oil so tuh speak, but dey trading pardners were...Holland Germany, japan etc.
if them was in trouble den so was de US economy.
simple maths...yuh like nmaths right.
It is more complex dan simple Us direct interests...things are convoluted not as plain as black and white guy.
So Iran is a threat to Israel....the commoditioes market in US run by who again?
Iran is a threat to many in the West, and the Middle East that is why the Arabs support ting against de Irananians and dem?
Dem want tuh spread a radical brand ah Islam fella. Not only dat dem is NOT ARABS and dem is NOT SUNNI!
Dem is Shia.
Iran is a bigger threat than plenty imagine, dat is not to say I support a full fledged invasion, but some strikes against specific nuclear targets not out ah de question, and the US eh have tuh do it eh...Israel will, believe dat!
So who doh know who Iran ois a threat to, and why dem is ah threat, well I recommend some research.
so we make some progress. none of the pretexts yuh offer so far have anything to do with genuine threats to "direct us interests" as you put it. this is a result of the elephant in the room. the trouble with current us foreign policy is that it was penned by some very patriotic israeli-americans. i'll leave it for you to decide how patriotic they are and to whom. it's very touching that the usa is willing to risk american blood and treasure to secure "the world" but (a) it can only be done by spreading myths like the one you have bought into (iran is a "threat" which is a misuse of the word to say the least) in order to gain domestic support and (b) it's not even clear that it is in the usa's best interest.
this is more "complex" as you state above, but not for the reasons you give. the domestic political situation in israel and the usa are the primary drivers of this stance, not any threat from iran. get your facts straight.
Henry Kissinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger)
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how dem Americans like Kissenger could miss out on war crimes is amazing
Bush even tried to pass laws recently that what they are doing is NOT war crimes.
Your time is going to come...and when it does ya better know Chinese ;D ;D
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Like yuh cyar read?
So Iran is a threat to Israel....the commoditioes market in US run by who again?
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Fella, yuh naieve or what?
The US has many, many trading pardners. When we invaded Kuwait allyuh feel it was fuh Kuwaiti oil?
steups.
de US was never ah consumer of Kuwaiti oil so tuh speak, but dey trading pardners were...Holland Germany, japan etc.
if them was in trouble den so was de US economy.
simple maths...yuh like nmaths right.
It is more complex dan simple Us direct interests...things are convoluted not as plain as black and white guy.
So Iran is a threat to Israel....the commoditioes market in US run by who again?
Iran is a threat to many in the West, and the Middle East that is why the Arabs support ting against de Irananians and dem?
Dem want tuh spread a radical brand ah Islam fella. Not only dat dem is NOT ARABS and dem is NOT SUNNI!
Dem is Shia.
Iran is a bigger threat than plenty imagine, dat is not to say I support a full fledged invasion, but some strikes against specific nuclear targets not out ah de question, and the US eh have tuh do it eh...Israel will, believe dat!
So who doh know who Iran ois a threat to, and why dem is ah threat, well I recommend some research.
so we make some progress. none of the pretexts yuh offer so far have anything to do with genuine threats to "direct us interests" as you put it. this is a result of the elephant in the room. the trouble with current us foreign policy is that it was penned by some very patriotic israeli-americans. i'll leave it for you to decide how patriotic they are and to whom. it's very touching that the usa is willing to risk american blood and treasure to secure "the world" but (a) it can only be done by spreading myths like the one you have bought into (iran is a "threat" which is a misuse of the word to say the least) in order to gain domestic support and (b) it's not even clear that it is in the usa's best interest.
this is more "complex" as you state above, but not for the reasons you give. the domestic political situation in israel and the usa are the primary drivers of this stance, not any threat from iran. get your facts straight.
Henry Kissinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger)
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Like yuh cyar read?
So Iran is a threat to Israel....the commoditioes market in US run by who again?
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Fella, yuh naieve or what?
The US has many, many trading pardners. When we invaded Kuwait allyuh feel it was fuh Kuwaiti oil?
steups.
de US was never ah consumer of Kuwaiti oil so tuh speak, but dey trading pardners were...Holland Germany, japan etc.
if them was in trouble den so was de US economy.
simple maths...yuh like nmaths right.
It is more complex dan simple Us direct interests...things are convoluted not as plain as black and white guy.
So Iran is a threat to Israel....the commoditioes market in US run by who again?
Iran is a threat to many in the West, and the Middle East that is why the Arabs support ting against de Irananians and dem?
Dem want tuh spread a radical brand ah Islam fella. Not only dat dem is NOT ARABS and dem is NOT SUNNI!
Dem is Shia.
Iran is a bigger threat than plenty imagine, dat is not to say I support a full fledged invasion, but some strikes against specific nuclear targets not out ah de question, and the US eh have tuh do it eh...Israel will, believe dat!
So who doh know who Iran ois a threat to, and why dem is ah threat, well I recommend some research.
so we make some progress. none of the pretexts yuh offer so far have anything to do with genuine threats to "direct us interests" as you put it. this is a result of the elephant in the room. the trouble with current us foreign policy is that it was penned by some very patriotic israeli-americans. i'll leave it for you to decide how patriotic they are and to whom. it's very touching that the usa is willing to risk american blood and treasure to secure "the world" but (a) it can only be done by spreading myths like the one you have bought into (iran is a "threat" which is a misuse of the word to say the least) in order to gain domestic support and (b) it's not even clear that it is in the usa's best interest.
this is more "complex" as you state above, but not for the reasons you give. the domestic political situation in israel and the usa are the primary drivers of this stance, not any threat from iran. get your facts straight.
Henry Kissinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger)
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If Iran interferes with the status quo in the middle east, and mind you, most Arab nations doh like Iran. Then our trading pardners will suffer and dat will directly affect US interests and balance of trade.
so you think iran will SPITE THEMSELVES by restricting their own trade with trading partners that have so far ignored US pressure to join in sanctions - to achieve what? that is political suicide and gives iran nothing. it's VERY CLEAR what iran wants and it's not the mess you talking about here:
Dem want tuh spread a radical brand ah Islam fella. Not only dat dem is NOT ARABS and dem is NOT SUNNI!
Dem is Shia.
:rotfl: talk to some iranians and ask them how religious they are in iran. they gorn spread islam when they cyah even get their own youth to follow it? yuh dense owa?
Iran is a bigger threat than plenty imagine, dat is not to say I support a full fledged invasion, but some strikes against specific nuclear targets not out ah de question, and the US eh have tuh do it eh...Israel will, believe dat!
and that would be the last thing israel ever does. ... makes one think where and what the real threat lies :thinking: .
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Fella, yuh naieve or what?
The US has many, many trading pardners. When we invaded Kuwait allyuh feel it was fuh Kuwaiti oil?
steups.
de US was never ah consumer of Kuwaiti oil so tuh speak, but dey trading pardners were...Holland Germany, japan etc.
if them was in trouble den so was de US economy.
simple maths...yuh like nmaths right.
It is more complex dan simple Us direct interests...things are convoluted not as plain as black and white guy.
So Iran is a threat to Israel....the commoditioes market in US run by who again?
Iran is a threat to many in the West, and the Middle East that is why the Arabs support ting against de Irananians and dem?
Dem want tuh spread a radical brand ah Islam fella. Not only dat dem is NOT ARABS and dem is NOT SUNNI!
Dem is Shia.
Iran is a bigger threat than plenty imagine, dat is not to say I support a full fledged invasion, but some strikes against specific nuclear targets not out ah de question, and the US eh have tuh do it eh...Israel will, believe dat!
So who doh know who Iran ois a threat to, and why dem is ah threat, well I recommend some research.
so we make some progress. none of the pretexts yuh offer so far have anything to do with genuine threats to "direct us interests" as you put it. this is a result of the elephant in the room. the trouble with current us foreign policy is that it was penned by some very patriotic israeli-americans. i'll leave it for you to decide how patriotic they are and to whom. it's very touching that the usa is willing to risk american blood and treasure to secure "the world" but (a) it can only be done by spreading myths like the one you have bought into (iran is a "threat" which is a misuse of the word to say the least) in order to gain domestic support and (b) it's not even clear that it is in the usa's best interest.
this is more "complex" as you state above, but not for the reasons you give. the domestic political situation in israel and the usa are the primary drivers of this stance, not any threat from iran. get your facts straight.
Henry Kissinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger)
the peeps i was thinking of are of a more recent vintage that didn't agree with kissinger's realist view of politics. they are idealoguesl; imho, the wrong people and ideas have dominated the post cold war era foreign policy doctrine possibly to the detriment of the usa but certainly to the advantage of israel.
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well, the present israeli leader (not necessarily leadership) has done a whole lot to squander the benefit of much cached goodwill ... so effectively in fact that his (the PM's) role will probably lead to officially reuniting Bibi Netanyahu with the constitutency you're alluding to
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anyone seen that BBC documentary about the Israeli soldiers using PA systems to broadcast messages to the Palestinian kids and them when the kids respond with stones they use rubber bullets on them.
I did not see it and I cant find any reference to that story anywhere...maybe it was NOT true.
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anyone seen that BBC documentary about the Israeli soldiers using PA systems to broadcast messages to the Palestinian kids and them when the kids respond with stones they use rubber bullets on them.
I did not see it and I cant find any reference to that story anywhere...maybe it was NOT true.
Yeah as a soldier I should take up ah stone and pelt de kids dem back? All dem kids need ah good whopping. Yuh doh through stones at grown ups ;D
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If Iran interferes with the status quo in the middle east, and mind you, most Arab nations doh like Iran. Then our trading pardners will suffer and dat will directly affect US interests and balance of trade.
so you think iran will SPITE THEMSELVES by restricting their own trade with trading partners that have so far ignored US pressure to join in sanctions - to achieve what? that is political suicide and gives iran nothing. it's VERY CLEAR what iran wants and it's not the mess you talking about here:
Dem want tuh spread a radical brand ah Islam fella. Not only dat dem is NOT ARABS and dem is NOT SUNNI!
Dem is Shia.
:rotfl: talk to some iranians and ask them how religious they are in iran. they gorn spread islam when they cyah even get their own youth to follow it? yuh dense owa?
Iran is a bigger threat than plenty imagine, dat is not to say I support a full fledged invasion, but some strikes against specific nuclear targets not out ah de question, and the US eh have tuh do it eh...Israel will, believe dat!
and that would be the last thing israel ever does. ... makes one think where and what the real threat lies :thinking: .
Listen you have NO CLUE what it is like in Iran. The radical Islamic Clerics RUN THINGS!
Israel can wipe out Iran easily, doh fool yuhself, lots of people said de dale shit about the demise of Israel before...and what happened to the Arabs? All ah dem? steups, yuh gorn mad or what? End of Israel, breds dem probably have de BEST ARMY dis world ever see....on pure urban guerilla warfare.
let me refer you to the harb al ayyam as-sitta better known as the 6 day war. end of Israel, and mind you they at least 100 times stronger now.
steups.
allyuh real naieve boy.
West Coast, that is known as the intifada..throwing stones at armed men, yuh is ah kinda arse or what?
will you look at a bunch ah armed soldioers and throw big stone at dem? steups.
Now I am not saying dat the Israelis eh wicked no ass. In fatc dm do some real nasty tings in Palestine, Jenin especially comes to mind.
But doh get tied up, BOTH SIDES EH WANT NO DAMN PEACE!
I say let dem kill deyselves...but say what?
The dotish christians want Jerusalem in de hands ah Jews so jesus could come again... ::) ::)
Ribbit breds, it much more complicated than you letting yuhself believe!
Read de latest post ah make about Iran....den come back and tell meh what yuh feel.
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this could really be an election of firsts:
hilary first woman president.
obama first black president.
huckabee first cokey-eye president. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080209/capt.2297cfa0a4974cd8b30c086bea45faac.huckabee_2008_dchg105.jpg)
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Aye he did an interview and I was tinking " is it me or de camera?"
i see a headline on drudge report:
Huckabee looks to Virginia, Maryland
what they doh say is he doing this at the same time. ;D
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Sparrow say...take dat Hillary ;D
http://www.esnips.com/doc/c853db9b-5788-4d8e-904f-002a07f8562d/Mighty-Sparrow-/?widget=flash_player_turn
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If Iran interferes with the status quo in the middle east, and mind you, most Arab nations doh like Iran. Then our trading pardners will suffer and dat will directly affect US interests and balance of trade.
so you think iran will SPITE THEMSELVES by restricting their own trade with trading partners that have so far ignored US pressure to join in sanctions - to achieve what? that is political suicide and gives iran nothing. it's VERY CLEAR what iran wants and it's not the mess you talking about here:
Dem want tuh spread a radical brand ah Islam fella. Not only dat dem is NOT ARABS and dem is NOT SUNNI!
Dem is Shia.
:rotfl: talk to some iranians and ask them how religious they are in iran. they gorn spread islam when they cyah even get their own youth to follow it? yuh dense owa?
Iran is a bigger threat than plenty imagine, dat is not to say I support a full fledged invasion, but some strikes against specific nuclear targets not out ah de question, and the US eh have tuh do it eh...Israel will, believe dat!
and that would be the last thing israel ever does. ... makes one think where and what the real threat lies :thinking: .
Listen you have NO CLUE what it is like in Iran. The radical Islamic Clerics RUN THINGS!
Israel can wipe out Iran easily, doh fool yuhself, lots of people said de dale shit about the demise of Israel before...and what happened to the Arabs? All ah dem? steups, yuh gorn mad or what? End of Israel, breds dem probably have de BEST ARMY dis world ever see....on pure urban guerilla warfare.
let me refer you to the harb al ayyam as-sitta better known as the 6 day war. end of Israel, and mind you they at least 100 times stronger now.
steups.
allyuh real naieve boy.
West Coast, that is known as the intifada..throwing stones at armed men, yuh is ah kinda arse or what?
will you look at a bunch ah armed soldioers and throw big stone at dem? steups.
Now I am not saying dat the Israelis eh wicked no ass. In fatc dm do some real nasty tings in Palestine, Jenin especially comes to mind.
But doh get tied up, BOTH SIDES EH WANT NO DAMN PEACE!
I say let dem kill deyselves...but say what?
The dotish christians want Jerusalem in de hands ah Jews so jesus could come again... ::) ::)
Ribbit breds, it much more complicated than you letting yuhself believe!
Read de latest post ah make about Iran....den come back and tell meh what yuh feel.
tt, yuh completely miss the point i making. i advise you to pick up an israeli newspaper and appreciate what going on in that country. i know in the usa, the only perspective you seem to understand is the military one, but they have such a thing as domestic politics and foundations for a national culture. there is a sizable faction in the idf that has lost confidence in the civilian leadership. if you think plans to attack iran would fly unquestioned in israel, you doh know what you talking about. israel would break upon the rocks of ideological differences. they will lose their youth. iran and israel have a history of balancing power with the arabs. there is a sizable jewish population in iran that are protected under fatwa issued by khomenei (this goes way back). i guess this doesn't fit into that reductionist "clash of civilizations" mess yuh hiding under the couch for. well, vote mccain if yuh so fraid.
again, familiarize yourself with the domestic political situation in each country before you continue with this foolishness about invasion and how high each rocket does go. this is a political problem, not a military one.
i notice, yuh forget your point about iran being a threat via trade. how that go again? yuh think is just about players like rafsanjani and ahmaedinejad and not the hand they have been dealt? doh fool yuhself, let them bray - all they holding is a pair of threes.
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TT you eh think Obama will end up taking over?
Dat interview she do about eating peppers and some other madness making her look crazy :rotfl:
I thought it was too early for him....o wait this is the US not T&T...dem actually want change.
Look like it going down to the super delegates if I understand what these pundits on the TV babbling about.
This rookie come out of obscurity real fast yes...it kinda amazing u have to admit. Hopefully is solid substance he have behind him.
I see Wyclef singing his song the other day from a old Chapelle Show...If I were President.....
2 years ago who would have thought there would be a legitimate black candidate surging into the lead and seeming unstoppable. I feel is President Palmer from 24 and those Chapelle Show Skits seed the idea in white voters to make them comfortable with the idea....lol
Hate them or Love them the US has a healthy political culture. And all dem Canucks here just jealous....if they acting up just ban dey beef and put out a SARS warning :devil:
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TT you eh think Obama will end up taking over?
Dat interview she do about eating peppers and some other madness making her look crazy :rotfl:
I thought it was too early for him....o wait this is the US not T&T...dem actually want change.
steups allyuh still want change in de COrPse...look how allyuh want tuh change allyuh jokey lkeader.
And what change yuh talking abput in de US? Hillary was ever de Prez
Man yuh like sour grapes eh?
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Bill would be in the white house for a 2nd time...not like he go be just in the kitchen harrassing the french maids.
I thought it was her time but maybe she was out front too early....and for whatever reason she is draw real hate...i eh understand why but dem republicans hate her....even some democrats.
TT you eh think Obama will end up taking over?
Dat interview she do about eating peppers and some other madness making her look crazy :rotfl:
I thought it was too early for him....o wait this is the US not T&T...dem actually want change.
steups allyuh still want change in de COrPse...look how allyuh want tuh change allyuh jokey lkeader.
And what change yuh talking abput in de US? Hillary was ever de Prez
Man yuh like sour grapes eh?
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Hate them or Love them the US has a healthy political culture. And all dem Canucks here just jealous....if they acting up just ban dey beef and put out a SARS warning :devil:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
sadly there is truth in that ;)
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I still think Clinton will win the candidacy but she looking bad now. I saw her last night it was awful. She seemed very uncomfortable and could not conceal the fact that she has been taking a licking. She has 3 week break and she must use it effectively.
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Bill would be in the white house for a 2nd time...not like he go be just in the kitchen harrassing the french maids.
I thought it was her time but maybe she was out front too early....and for whatever reason she is draw real hate...i eh understand why but dem republicans hate her....even some democrats.
TT you eh think Obama will end up taking over?
Dat interview she do about eating peppers and some other madness making her look crazy :rotfl:
I thought it was too early for him....o wait this is the US not T&T...dem actually want change.
steups allyuh still want change in de COrPse...look how allyuh want tuh change allyuh jokey lkeader.
And what change yuh talking abput in de US? Hillary was ever de Prez
Man yuh like sour grapes eh?
:) such pleasant words to read ... how much time yuh have? ...
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oh ... heheh ... yuh hadda reframe de issue with TT ... lehwe ask him about reform of the PNM's (internal) political culture ... he sticking and jabbing buh dahs de question ah posing ...man could really bring talk rong here about jokey leaders ... steups :rotfl:
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I still think Clinton will win the candidacy but she looking bad now. I saw her last night it was awful. She seemed very uncomfortable and could not conceal the fact that she has been taking a licking. She has 3 week break and she must use it effectively.
I'll probably have to pick up a Duttyesque, West Coastal inclination and grab some popcorn ... campaign staff restructuring, firm repudiation in 8 states consecutively, yuh just gotta love it ... take dat Hillary ... ah eh say it for de week yet ...
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Ah sure some smart ass reporter looking to ask Obama today today today whether he will apologise for slavery ... truss meh on this ... refer to the Australian PM's apology for the federal gov't's policy on treatment of the indigenous population
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Regardless of you saying "take dat Hillary" I still feel de dems winning de Presidency. So yuh go be bitter anyway.
What is yuh point?
as for de PNM yuh not in any position to discuss that Great party fella.
We doh have ah jokey leader like de COrPse. At all.
Now de man is not de best eh, but of all de alternatives, yuh telling me that yuh could pick one over he?
steups.
I go ask yuh straight, hold on leh meh get some mauby and popcorn....ok I now possess the necessary items...leh meh ask:
A_Seeker, between Panday, Dookeran and Manning, which yuh feel is de best?
No shit, no waffling, no back peddaling..jes answe rde blasted question and give yuh reason.
steups
Ah see yuh pary almost have dem delegate wrapped up...yuh like allyuh choice? Mc Cain???
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Ah sure some smart ass reporter looking to ask Obama today today today whether he will apologise for slavery ... truss meh on this ... refer to the Australian PM's apology for the federal gov't's policy on treatment of the indigenous population
dat gobe a good one ;)
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OBAMA
:devil:
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Regardless of you saying "take dat Hillary" I still feel de dems winning de Presidency. So yuh go be bitter anyway.
What is yuh point?
as for de PNM yuh not in any position to discuss that Great party fella.
We doh have ah jokey leader like de COrPse. At all.
Now de man is not de best eh, but of all de alternatives, yuh telling me that yuh could pick one over he?
steups.
I go ask yuh straight, hold on leh meh get some mauby and popcorn....ok I now possess the necessary items...leh meh ask:
A_Seeker, between Panday, Dookeran and Manning, which yuh feel is de best?
No shit, no waffling, no back peddaling..jes answe rde blasted question and give yuh reason.
steups
Ah see yuh pary almost have dem delegate wrapped up...yuh like allyuh choice? Mc Cain???
Yuh asking me to assess a race to the bottom when ah well recognise the poverty of choices? for right now i'll ask this ... so 'dey' truss Dooks as a central banker buh not as a PM ... steups ... i hardly see where the other 2 disqualify him from being prime ministerial ... over ... your turn on de walkie talkie
that's why i didn't make this about personalities ... that is a distractor that does not serve the ppl of T&T ... reform the PNM's internal culture or face the consequences.
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Regardless of you saying "take dat Hillary" I still feel de dems winning de Presidency. So yuh go be bitter anyway.
What is yuh point?
as for de PNM yuh not in any position to discuss that Great party fella.
We doh have ah jokey leader like de COrPse. At all.
Now de man is not de best eh, but of all de alternatives, yuh telling me that yuh could pick one over he?
steups.
I go ask yuh straight, hold on leh meh get some mauby and popcorn....ok I now possess the necessary items...leh meh ask:
A_Seeker, between Panday, Dookeran and Manning, which yuh feel is de best?
No shit, no waffling, no back peddaling..jes answe rde blasted question and give yuh reason.
steups
Ah see yuh pary almost have dem delegate wrapped up...yuh like allyuh choice? Mc Cain???
Yuh asking me to assess a race to the bottom when ah well recognise the poverty of choices? for right now i'll ask this ... so 'dey' truss Dooks as a central banker buh not as a PM ... steups ... i hardly see where the other 2 disqualify him from being prime ministerial ... over ... your turn on de walkie talkie
that's why i didn't make this about personalities ... that is a distractor that does not serve the ppl of T&T ... reform the PNM's internal culture or face the consequences.
as usual yuh eh answer de f**king question....tyicsl..yuh sure you eh Dooks?
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so lehme see? you get to ignore my question and yuh get to decide how i should answer yours? at least i touched on yours ...
nevertheless, here we go. yes, yuh could pick one over manning ...dahis easy ... the logic of personality points to the need for new appropriate, leadership in the country ... dcs and damn near everyone on this forum knows this ... Dooks show he face ... yuh vex? is a noble start ... wha i saying to you is if yuh could concede Patrick eh de best then reorder de scene, reform de party culture ... buh doh come and try to convince me dat it boil down to choosing between ... lehwe say 3 clowns and dahs dat so yuh rolling wid de clown who is de jokeyist ...de electorate willy nilly... ah trying to show yuh, handle allyuh affairs before allyuh affairs handle deyself.
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ah takin a little borrow, ok
as Emeril would say......
OH "BAM" HER
:devil:
;D ;D ;D ;D
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so lehme see? you get to ignore my question and yuh get to decide how i should answer yours? at least i touched on yours ...
nevertheless, here we go. yes, yuh could pick one over manning ...dahis easy ... the logic of personality points to the need for new appropriate, leadership in the country ... dcs and damn near everyone on this forum knows this ... Dooks show he face ... yuh vex? is a noble start ... wha i saying to you is if yuh could concede Patrick eh de best then reorder de scene, reform de party culture ... buh doh come and try to convince me dat it boil down to choosing between ... lehwe say 3 clowns and dahs dat so yuh rolling wid de clown who is de jokeyist ...de electorate willy nilly... ah trying to show yuh, handle allyuh affairs before allyuh affairs handle deyself.
So why allyuh looking fuh ah palae coup already in de COrPse/
Allyuh see de need fuh leaDERSHIP SHFFLE DAIS WHY?
STEUPS.
Listen nah, I doh like Manning too much, but yuh saying he is de jokeyist shows yuh biasness.
nuff sid, at least yuh he call meh buller man like yuh did call another.
And Westcoast grow up.
yuh does never contribute anything just make post with liks..yuh he have ah original thought in yuh f**king head or wha?
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just woke up and read this article (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/) ;)
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just woke up and read this article (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/) ;)
wha de feck dread..
u went and sleep 2 hours ago!
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yeah is hard to get good sleep when I fighting up with a major cold here...i figure is about 4 hrs i got, most days I only get about 5 hrs sleep...shift work is a bitch some times.
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seen..
well I know keeping the SW.net servers up and running is a tough job but somebody gotta do it.. ;)
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Diplomats: Iran processes uranium gas
By GEORGE JAHN, Associated Press Writer Wed Feb 13, 4:51 PM ET
VIENNA, Austria - Iran's new generation of advanced centrifuges have begun processing small quantities of the gas that can be used to make the fissile core of nuclear warheads, diplomats told The Associated Press on Wednesday.
The diplomats emphasized that the centrifuges were working with minute amounts of uranium gas. One diplomat said Tehran has set up only 10 of the machines — far too few to make enriched uranium in the quantities needed for an industrial-scale energy or weapons program.
Still, the information revealed details of the state of Iran's experiments with its domestically developed IR-2 centrifuges, which can churn out enriched uranium at more than double the rate of the machines that now form the backbone of the Iranian nuclear project.
The existence of the IR-2 was made known only last week by diplomats accredited to the Vienna-based International Atomic Energy Agency, which is investigating Iran's nuclear program for any evidence that it might have been designed to make weapons.
Diplomats told AP last week that the new centrifuges appeared to be running empty and they could not quantify the number of machines that had been set up at the experimental facility linked to Iran's growing underground enrichment plant at Natanz.
Fleshing out previous information, a diplomat said Wednesday that the IR-2 centrifuges were set up Jan. 20 and began processing minute amounts of uranium gas soon afterward as part of testing the machines.
He and other diplomats who discussed the latest details of Iran's program agreed to do so only if granted anonymity because they were not supposed to be releasing the confidential information.
Iran is under two sets of U.N. sanctions for ignoring Security Council demands that it suspend uranium enrichment, which Tehran started developing during nearly two decades of covert nuclear activity built on illicit purchases on the nuclear black market.
Iran insists the program is meant only to produce fuel for atomic reactors that will generate electricity, but the revelation five years ago of the secret work heightened suspicions by the U.S. and others that the Iranians want to develop nuclear arms.
In rejecting U.N. demands that enrichment be halted until suspicions are cleared up, Iranian leaders have argued their country has a right to a peaceful nuclear program and insisted they would expand the project rather than freeze it.
Until last week's revelations that Iran had developed its own advanced centrifuge, Tehran had publicly focused on working with P1 centrifuges, outmoded machines acquired on the black market in the 1980s. More than 3,000 of the older centrifuges are processing uranium gas near Natanz, a city about 300 miles south of Tehran.
An IAEA report in November said Iran has stockpiled nearly 300 tons of the precursor gas used in enrichment. That would be enough to make about 40 nuclear bombs were it spun to weapons grade concentrations, experts have said.
Diplomats described the IR-2 as a hybrid of the P-2 centrifuge once peddled on the black market by A.Q. Khan, the scientist who oversaw Pakistan's development of nuclear weapons.
The P-2 can enrich uranium gas up to three times faster than a P-1, but it is made from maraged steel — a high-nickel, low-carbon steel that is difficult to manufacture and hard to smuggle through international controls.
Diplomats said last week the Iranians had circumvented that problem by making the new centrifuge's rotor tubes out of carbon fiber, presumably working with machines and technology developed for Tehran's missile sector and using a German version as a model.
Former U.N. nuclear inspector David Albright, whose Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security tracks countries under nuclear suspicion, said 1,200 of the more advanced machines could produce enough material for a single nuclear warhead in a year, compared to 3,000 of the older model.
He also said 10 centrifuges already processing uranium gas indicated they have been linked to each other in a "cascade" — a configuration used in industrial-size operations and an indication of a fairly advanced stage of testing.
"Here's a centrifuge largely developed at a secret site, and it appears they have gotten further along than people have anticipated," he said.
Iran has stonewalled the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency for years on details of its centrifuge development, but in recent months has shown more cooperation under a plan agreed to last year that commits Tehran to lifting secrecy on all past nuclear activities.
Last month, the International Atomic Energy Agency's chief, Mohamed ElBaradei, was given new information on Iran's "new generation of centrifuges" during talks in Tehran — a priority as the agency tries to establish how far along Iran is in developing the technology.
ElBaradei is to report on the progress of his probe next month to the 35-nation IAEA board.
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here is the national intelligence estimate on iran (http://www.dni.gov/press_releases/20071203_release.pdf)
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also, from a professor in california (http://www.netnative.com/news/02/aug/1038.html)
In the US and Israeli propaganda against Iran, the nuclear power plant that is being built in Bushehr by Russia provides the best evidence that Iran is seeking nuclear weapons and warheads. Let us not forget that it was the US that "convinced" the Shah that Iran needs not one but ten nuclear power plants, and that the Bushehr project began when the Shah was still in power! The US and Israel always ask rhetorically, why does Iran, with vast oil and gas reserves, need nuclear source of energy? The rational to this question is simple: Iran's domestic consumption of energy has been increasing at an alarming annual rate of more than 8%. If this trend continues, Iran will be a net importer of oil in only 15 years, rather than being an oil exporter. At the same time, Iran's consumption of oil has created severe environmental and health problems for its population. Therefore, Iran needs alternative sources of energy. The International Atomic Energy Agency, of which Iran is a member, has recommended to its members to seek out non-fossil sources for at least 25% of their energy consumption, and according to the international agreements, any member of IAEA that has signed Nuclear Non-proliferation and Nuclear Test-Ban Treaties can lawfully possess nuclear power plants.
It is often claimed by the US and Israel that the Bushehr reactor will help Iran to learn more about nuclear technology, which will ultimately help it to develop nuclear weapons. On close inspection, however, one finds that even this claim has no merit, since Israel developed its nuclear arsenal without any major nuclear reactor
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so lehme see? you get to ignore my question and yuh get to decide how i should answer yours? at least i touched on yours ...
nevertheless, here we go. yes, yuh could pick one over manning ...dahis easy ... the logic of personality points to the need for new appropriate, leadership in the country ... dcs and damn near everyone on this forum knows this ... Dooks show he face ... yuh vex? is a noble start ... wha i saying to you is if yuh could concede Patrick eh de best then reorder de scene, reform de party culture ... buh doh come and try to convince me dat it boil down to choosing between ... lehwe say 3 clowns and dahs dat so yuh rolling wid de clown who is de jokeyist ...de electorate willy nilly... ah trying to show yuh, handle allyuh affairs before allyuh affairs handle deyself.
So why allyuh looking fuh ah palae coup already in de COrPse/
Allyuh see de need fuh leaDERSHIP SHFFLE DAIS WHY?
STEUPS.
Listen nah, I doh like Manning too much, but yuh saying he is de jokeyist shows yuh biasness.
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I am evaluating the honourable PM based on his conduct in office. Granted, he has not brought the Office of the PM into disrepute; however, he has handled some affairs of state and party in a less than seamless way, and he has treated some issues such that they became magnified uselessly rather than resolved. I won't describe him as inept, but I do think that he is wanting in several regards.
Frankly, I believe one of the factors hampering him is that his formative years in politics are rooted in an era when the conduct of politics in the nation was different. He has been unable to bridge the gap into transitioning or creating a new body politic - an opportunity presented to him when he took the helm, not merely by his taking office, but because of the disposition of the nation at the moment he ascended.
This returns me to my original commentary - the need for internal party reform. And, it also brings into view the context in which the other major party has cemented its method of operating in national politics. Manning had an opportunity to be a transcending national figure but has time and time again decisively and steadfastly cast himself within a restricted view of how to proceed.
The viability of effective leadership in the country remains a serious concern, and until I find its proper location I'll critique all across the board.
Our Westminster system of government in many respects offers the PNM insulation from scrutiny because although one votes for one's party via MP, the lingering spectre of who the future PM could be is not a factor that is easily discarded by prospective voters. On the face of it, I suggest it is patently false to conclude Mr. Dookeran is not equipped with the skills to be PM, especially given both the history of that office and the present exigencies facing the nation.
We are at a point of lowest common denominator politics and I will continue to characterise the situation as such until such time as we remedy the leadership context in the country.
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it is my opinion that Manning did not immediately possess the necessary mandate to do what you say. Since he has faced a piss poor opposition he has established himself as the definitive leader of the PNM and has such gained the mandate to make changes. I feel that those who have brought the party into disrepute have been cast off and cast out into the political wilderness.
Yuh cuss in public, yuh tief, yuh bring de party into disrepute, den yuh gorn!
He will bring party changes and he will transform the PNM, but doh look for wholesale changes immediately. That would be detrimental.
Look for the changes.
But he is not the humblest man and that will bring him grief in de end.
But when yuh talking political leaders in T&T, and yuh cast Panday and Dookeran hat in de ring...dey not in Manning class, one too sorf and one is ah damn tief!
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TT, we in the year 2008 ... when did Manning assume the big seat in the party? Further, what year did he arrive in Parliament? Is a glacier we living on?
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TT, we in the year 2008 ... when did Manning assume the big seat in the party? Further, what year did he arrive in Parliament? Is a glacier we living on?
The man hardly had enough leverage as PM tuh do anything of consequence...watch the ride over de next half decade.
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He can have these 5 years ... other men making hay in between.
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too much t&t politics inside here......t&t done pick dey leader
allyuh get de combat back on de topic at hand
(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080213/i/r1797012930.jpg?x=256&y=345&sig=RmOA.AylRSmvlK7QCjvr8g--)
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He can have these 5 years ... other men making hay in between.
I feel dookeran better suited tuh farming too. :)
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Yuh know wha dey say, sow in tears and reap in joy.
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too much t&t politics inside here......t&t done pick dey leader
allyuh get de combat back on de topic at hand
(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080213/i/r1797012930.jpg?x=256&y=345&sig=RmOA.AylRSmvlK7QCjvr8g--)
When I saw it I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
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No, you can't (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUKINg8DCUo)
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(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080213/capt.d3a35f65a49c4a0a96fdc88db93eb25b.aptopix_clinton_2008_ohks10.jpg?x=400&y=300&sig=GMVmAGYxJXc6Rg_52hL5BA--)
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(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080213/capt.d3a35f65a49c4a0a96fdc88db93eb25b.aptopix_clinton_2008_ohks10.jpg?x=400&y=300&sig=GMVmAGYxJXc6Rg_52hL5BA--)
you're a BIG boy for just a White House Intern...
when Mum gets elected.........
It's Chelsea's turn :devil: :devil:
dutty could not help it... ;)
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(http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/01/28/chelsea29107_wideweb__470x390,0.jpg)
Do you think Chelsea Clinton is hot? (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080211124122AAktACO)
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McCain on Larry King Live now. He sounding good. I particularly liked his response to the "100 years in Iraq" criticism.
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hey A_seeker, how come yuh eh tell me what yuh heard when yuh tuned in yuh radio yesterday? Yuh is not ah Ditto-Head? yuh doh listen to Rsh again? :)
Check out the druggie ex-fat boy words:
Limbaugh sees no reconciliation with McCain
Conservative radio host ratchets up attacks, but to what end?
AP
By Jacques Steinberg
updated 11:23 p.m. CT, Thurs., Feb. 14, 2008
Rush Limbaugh took his show on the road this week, forsaking his main broadcast studio in Palm Beach, Fla., for one in Midtown Manhattan. But the change of scenery did nothing to dampen the Republican-on-Republican smackdown he has been waging from afar against Senator John McCain, the party’s likely presidential nominee, whom Mr. Limbaugh considers too moderate.
As he opened his radio program Wednesday, Mr. Limbaugh lobbed yet another grenade.
“I would like today to announce a tentative decision — I’m still thinking about it — to endorse Barack Obama,” he said, his head cocked slightly toward his 18-karat-gold-plated microphone, his hands spread wide like the wings of his sleek G4 jet.
Mr. Limbaugh then listed nearly a dozen qualities he said he found admirable in Mr. Obama. “Barack Obama is pro-life,” he began. “Barack Obama is a tax-cutter extraordinaire.”
If neither statement was descriptive of Mr. Obama, a liberal Democrat, nor was there much hope for what followed. “Barack Obama will establish a college football playoff, once and for all,” Mr. Limbaugh said. “Barack Obama will offer free-beer Fridays.”
His point, Mr. Limbaugh said, was that Mr. Obama represented “a blank canvas upon which anyone can project their fantasies and desires.”
But implicit in his “endorsement,” however tongue-in-cheek, was this: Mr. Limbaugh, who draws more than 13.5 million listeners a week, considers Mr. McCain to have so betrayed conservative principles by voting against tax cuts and not being as tough as Mr. Limbaugh would like on illegal immigrants that the commentator was openly flirting with the enemy. (Later, Mr. Limbaugh dangled the possibility of endorsing Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.)
In an interview after his show, seated behind the black granite desk from which he had done the broadcast, Mr. Limbaugh held out little hope that Mr. McCain could sway him to his side.
“It’s entirely possible I will go the distance without saying I support a candidate,” he said, still sweating from his three-hour performance, his blue-and-white striped dress shirt untucked and draped over dark dress slacks.
The effect of Mr. Limbaugh’s resistance could be substantial, serving, at the least, to reinforce doubts among other conservatives about Mr. McCain, who would seem to need the party’s conservative base to turn out in force in November.
Asked what Mr. McCain might do to change his mind, Mr. Limbaugh said: “I don’t think there’s anything he could do. If he did do it, he would be accused of selling out.” Then, in a familiar baritone as resonant as it is on the air, he added, “If I were to endorse McCain based on the current circumstances, I’d be looked at as a party hack.”
To the extent Mr. Limbaugh offered Mr. McCain any consolation, it was this: “What I can tell you I’m sure of is, I’m not going to be endorsing Obama or Hillary — unless it’s a joke to make a point.”
In that vein, the daily spankings Mr. Limbaugh has been administering over the air to Mr. McCain are about more than the host’s practiced outrage over the senator’s olive branch to liberals and moderates. Mr. Limbaugh has also seized on the ascension of Mr. McCain to remind the world that his nationally syndicated program still matters and that he has not lost his long-demonstrated penchant for making mischief.
“Folks, can we agree, just between us,” he told his listeners, sotto voce, on Wednesday, “has it not been brilliant how strategically I have inserted myself in this campaign?”
While other conservative commentators like Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter have expressed similar reservations about Mr. McCain, neither can claim the reach of Mr. Limbaugh. El Rushbo, as he often calls himself, is heard on more than 600 stations and, according to the industry arbiter Talkers Magazine, has the nation’s largest talk-show audience. It is also noteworthy that this audience remains nearly as big as in 1994, when he helped clear a rhetorical path for Newt Gingrich’s Republican takeover of the House, in an era predating the competition Mr. Limbaugh now faces from the Internet, bloggers and the Fox News Channel.
Every day since Mr. McCain emerged as the likely nominee in the aftermath of nearly two dozen nominating contests on Feb. 5, Mr. Limbaugh’s switchboard has been lighting up with calls from conservative Republican listeners who say they plan to stay home on Election Day in November.
“What he has got to be concerned with,” Mr. Limbaugh said of Mr. McCain, “is all these Republican voters who say right now they’re so fed up they’re not going to vote at all. That’s deeper than they realize.”
In a sign that broadcasts like Mr. Limbaugh’s could play a role in the November outcome, Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International, the firms that conduct exit polls on behalf of the television networks and The Associated Press, asked voters in this week’s primaries in Virginia and Maryland whether they were frequent listeners of conservative talk radio. About one in three said they were.
And yet the results in those states suggest that at least some of those listeners do not share Mr. Limbaugh’s concerns about Mr. McCain: though former Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas was the most popular candidate among frequent listeners of conservative talk radio in Virginia, Mr. McCain won a plurality of them in Maryland.
Reached Thursday, the McCain campaign’s communications director, Jill Hazelbaker, said she had no comment on Mr. Limbaugh’s criticisms. But the senator’s supporters are concerned enough about where Mr. Limbaugh is leaning that former Senator Phil Gramm of Texas telephoned the commentator privately late last month from the international economic conference in Davos, Switzerland, to preach Mr. McCain’s virtues, Mr. Limbaugh said.
What people in the mainstream media — which Mr. Limbaugh refers to as the “drive-by media”— do not realize, he said, is that he is less concerned with being viewed as a national precinct captain who can deliver blocs of votes, or someone with the power perhaps to scuttle a presidential campaign, than with being seen as a broadcaster who can hold a huge audience.
And purely as a broadcaster, he said, it will not make much difference whether Mr. McCain, Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton wins.
“Regardless of who’s elected, there are always going to be liberals who are trying to impose liberalism on the country,” he said. “That means I’m going to be opposing it. It doesn’t matter if they’re in the White House or Congress. They’re always there.”
Asked if having Mrs. Clinton return to the White House would not provide him with maximum fodder, given how much of it he found in the impeachment of her husband, Mr. Limbaugh said no.
By the same token, if Mr. McCain lost, could Mr. Limbaugh not fill any number of hours on the radio by telling his Republican brethren, “I told you so”?
“Honestly, I don’t look at it that way,” he said. “If I were to look at it that way, then I’d be admitting that the entertainment quality of the program or the content in general is dependent on others. And it’s up to me. People listen to this program for me.”
If he has his way, they will not have to give up their habit any time soon. Mr. Limbaugh, who owns more than 50 percent of his show, signed his current contract with his syndicator, Clear Channel, in 2002. That contract, believed to be valued at nearly $300 million, is due to expire in May 2009.
“I have no intention of stopping,” the 57-year-old Mr. Limbaugh said. “I am having as much fun and deriving as much enjoyment out of this today as I ever have.”
Marjorie Connelly contributed reporting.
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What I listen to is dependent on my mission. Opposition research is all part of the process.
Rush is a step or two away from dementia ... his megalomania is firmly entrenched ... all he's doing is protecting his wuk.
I am familiar with all/most of Rush's tools. I guarantee he already has a map of where he wants to take his commentary going into the next 9 months (this is where he differs from Hannity and the others).
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What I listen to is dependent on my mission. Opposition research is all part of the process.
Rush is a step or two away from dementia ... his megalomania is firmly entrenched ... all he's doing is protecting his wuk.
I am familiar with all/most of Rush's tools. I guarantee he already has a map of where he wants to take his commentary going into the next 9 months (this is where he differs from Hannity and the others).
well, well well, is this a first?
we both have the exact opinion of Rush down to the megalomania! used to say that I was unsure which was larger, his ego or his waistline, but since the stomach stapling I cyar use dat line again.
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(I'm sure...) we agree on several matters. But why focus on the less exciting stuff? ;D
I figured he had his stomach pumped (the pills) buh ah cyah recall de stapling scene ... looks like yuh really keeping up with dat camp ... lol.
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(I'm sure...) we agree on several matters. But why focus on the less exciting stuff? ;D
I figured he had his stomach pumped (the pills) buh ah cyah recall de stapling scene ... looks like yuh really keeping up with dat camp ... lol.
to be honest rush's weight loss is speculation on my part, but de man lose 40 pounds in 30 days!!! and 180 pounds n one year!!!!
he sayis ah low carb diet...i feel is stomach staples!
lol
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Sparrow for Obama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSalB09uzM&feature=bz302)
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Not sure if this was posted before..
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4ca41_mighty-sparrow-barack-the-magnifice_music
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Well Boy! (http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/?c=117&a=1227)
Ku Klux Klan Endorses Obama
February 7th, 2008
by James R. Crowe
4.5 / 5 (132 Votes)
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Anything or anyone is better than Hillary Rodham Clinton
KENTUCKY - USA - Imperial Wizard, Ronald Edwards has stated that, "anything is better than Hillary Clinton."
White Christian Supremacist group the Ku Klux Klan has endorsed Barack Obama to be the next President of the United States of America.
Speaking from his Kentucky office in Dawson Springs, the Imperial Wizard exclaimed that anything or anyone is better than having that "crazy ass bitch" as President.
This is the first time in Klan history that any member of the KKK has ever publicly supported an African American candidate for the presidency.
KKK lodges all over America have been gathering and holding rallies supporting the black presidential candidate.
KKK members in Tennessee rally against Hillary Clinton and support Barack Obama
Grand Turk Cletus Monroe has also been very vocal about the election and has donated thousands of dollars to Obama's election fund.
"The boy's gonna do it. My Klan group has donated up to $250,000 to the Obama fund. Anything is better than Hillary Clinton. Hell I'll even adopt a black kid from Africa before I vote for Hillary."
"A few years back we were lynching negroes. Now we're gonna vote for one to be president of the US of motherfu**ing A, damn it! Anyone or anything is better than Hillary Clinton - anything!!"
Placards for Barack Obama have been put up around the Klan's Headquarters and the KKK have announced a television ad campaign to support the African American candidate.
(http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/data/images/news/categories/kkkHillaryObama.jpg)
Aight is a joke....at least i think so.... ::)
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Interesting
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so, that means he HATES women more than he hates blacks then?
I am listening to Barack and I have to ask this question
does he know what "the status quo" means?
He keeps talking about the "lobbyist" and saying that his government will not bow to them.
Well that is a major INDUSTRY in the USA, so I wish him luck with that.
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The source of this is the Daily Squib (http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/?c=117&a=1227) which if I'm not mistaken is similar to the Onion
Ku Klux Klan Endorses Obama
Here's youtube video trying to be funny called - "Southern Whites should Vote for Barack Obama?"
http://youtube.com/v/x8vGtPrkcFw
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x8vGtPrkcFw
"vote Obama - he's half white"
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I real trying to pay attention whenever them people on TV but I doh think I have heard anything of substance about Obama policies. I eh think is necessarily his campaign fault since the media mesmerized with him. Ah really lil skeptical of all the people jumping on the bandwagon too....is like the popular thing to do for self promotion.
At some point the details will be the main focus but that going and be after this democratic nomination?
It had them prior debates but was the american public paying attention to the substance or the delivery and the overall package?
They could like u now and spit u out tomorrow.
I not convinced he better than Hilary...not convinced YET I should say. I was thinking the other day it might have some similarities between what make Bush popular before and what make Obama popular now....just wondering.
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The lady hadda win by by bra hook or crook ;D
(http://members.cox.net/griffee/hill.jpg)
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cough photoshop cough
look de original here (http://www.popcrunch.com/renee-zellweger-harpers-bazaar-magazine-december-2007/)
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Obama and McCain score easy wins in Wisconsin (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1560427320080220)
That's 9 states straight. and Hawaii is a given, thats 10.
He's got the ladies swooning:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4eaod_fainting-rallies_news
(http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_021508/home.parcoltop22.81021.ImageFile.jpg)
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Oh dear what can the matter be, oh dear what can the matter be ... who volunteering to leave that on Hillary's voice mail? heheheheh ;D
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If....If she loses Ohio and Texas, I will call her and leave dat message...until then I watching de ride.
Pannsylavnia is hers to lose too. so we will see what coming up.
If she loses any of those States she needs to get out the race, if she wins, she will be the Nominne from the Dems, but she must get those 3 states.
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Oh dear what can the matter be, oh dear what can the matter be ... who volunteering to leave that on Hillary's voice mail? heheheheh ;D
aye, look de number here
1-800-crazy-ass-bitch :devil: :devil: :devil: :devil:
dem KKK ent easy eh :devil:
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Do We Really Want Another Black President After The Events Of Deep Impact?
By Kevin Henry
February 13, 2008 | Issue 44•07
http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/do_we_really_want_another_black
Kevin Henry
I am not prejudiced. Far from it. What I am—or, I should say, who I am—is a man who loves his country so deeply that he is unwilling to stand idly by while our nation allows itself to be completely annihilated by another incoming comet.
Have we learned nothing from the tragic events of 1998, when, under the watch of President Morgan Freeman, this nation was plunged into chaos, and hundreds of millions of people died at the hands of the deadly Wolf-Beiderman space rock? The mere fact that this country is even considering putting another black man, Barack Obama, in the Oval Office proves that we have not.
We can't deny the facts, people. All we will get by electing an African-American is Texas-size space particles crashing into the Earth's surface, mega-tsunamis that barrel into the Appalachian Mountains, and 6.6 billion dead people.
I'm not suggesting that President Freeman was directly responsible for the creation of the Wolf-Beiderman comet or its Earth-bound path. That would be ridiculous. What I am saying is that under the watch of a black man that comet destroyed the entire Eastern seaboard. So, if history is any indicator, a vote for Barack Obama in 2008 is essentially a vote for the complete and total obliteration of the human race.
Don't we owe it to our children, and our children's children, to use this upcoming election to guarantee the Earth's existence rather than dooming it for eternity?
To even risk putting Mr. Obama in a position where he would insist, as past black presidents have, that our nuclear arsenal is powerful enough to divert the incoming comet would be foolish, to say the least. Any decision like that would only break the fast-approaching space rock into two very powerful asteroids, both of which would end up heading straight for Earth, leaving all of us who aren't on the small list of people picked to live in the government-sponsored protective caves to burn, drown, or die while in the arms of our estranged fathers. The only difference is, this time around, the late astronaut Robert Duvall will not be alive to save millions of lives by conducting a suicide space mission to destroy the larger of the two asteroids before it enters the Earth's atmosphere.
In my book, any possible repeat of this extinction-level event is reason enough not to elect another African-American president. Consider that later that same summer, just two months after the first deep impact, this very country once again faced Armageddon in the form of another comet hurtling toward Earth. In this instance, under the watch of a white president who sort of looked like an older Dennis Quaid, that catastrophe was avoided entirely.
As if that is not enough, history shows us that, besides carrying the baggage of a guaranteed asteroid strike, black heads of state also give terrorists extra motivation to destroy the United States. During the presidency of 24's David Palmer, there were no fewer than four nuclear bombs smuggled into this country. That's four more than under any white president. Though we should have known better than to elect President Palmer in the first place (he was elected three years after President Freeman left office), the U.S. populace made him the commander in chief because it was swayed by then-Senator Palmer's commitment to change, his no-nonsense approach, and his ability to inspire. Sound familiar?†
Asteroids and nuclear bombs—that's what this nation can expect from an Obama White House.
Need I even mention that former President Chris Rock and his administration's slogan was "The only thing white is the house"? Though this attitude broke down the stuffiness typically associated with proper White House decorum, President Rock's laissez-faire approach not only made a mockery of the office at home, but made the United States look like a joke abroad.
I concede that the United States has had a competent African-American president in the huge black guy from the The Fifth Element, who did great things for this country by keeping the evil Mr. Zorg at bay. But that is years from now. There is no denying that by 2236, when we have flying taxicabs, this country will be ready for a black president. But until then, if we want life in this great land to continue as we know it, we owe it to ourselves to make the right choice and reelect Kevin Kline.
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(http://blog.b92.net/arhiva/files/images/can%20of%20worms.jpg)
:whistling:
;) is a good thing that site does parody, or it would open a real can ah worms :rotfl:
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Obama: The beer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14DUm0NX0Yg/)
Obama: The City (http://www.newsday.com/video/?clipId=2199609&topVideoCatNo=99635&c=&autoStart=true&activePane=info&LaunchPageAdTag=homepage&clipFormat=flv/)
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The source of this is the Daily Squib (http://www.dailysquib.co.uk/?c=117&a=1227) which if I'm not mistaken is similar to the Onion
Ku Klux Klan Endorses Obama
Here's youtube video trying to be funny called - "Southern Whites should Vote for Barack Obama?"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x8vGtPrkcFw
"vote Obama - he's half white"
Allyuh eh read de white writing under de article or wha? I REL laff when i see dat. :rotfl:
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OBAMA :devil:
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Hillary sayin to Bill ,Bill iam bein Obamalize Obamasize Obamarize help me Bill ,Bill say to Hillary inhale, inhale .
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Texas & OHIO! are deciding states,she is currently leading in Texas 49-41,do not know about ohio polls but if she gets the nod in Texas she will atleast need ohio to edge out Obama.remmber she got Califonia and NY while Obama got illinois.interesting.
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Texas & OHIO! are deciding states,she is currently leading in Texas 49-41,do not know about ohio polls but if she gets the nod in Texas she will atleast need ohio to edge out Obama.remmber she got Califonia and NY while Obama got illinois.interesting.
i hear even if she win she have to win big, which is why barrack in d driver seat, also she was suppose to win last night lol but didnt
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"I Got a Crush...On Obama" By Obama Girl :devil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKsoXHYICqU
(http://www.p2pnet.net/images/obama3.jpg) (http://multislacking.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/obamagirlagainstthewall.jpg) (http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/ht_crush_obama3_070613_ms.jpg)
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obama not even elected yet, and he pick up a lewinsky :-\
what are the chances that hillary will stay in the race till the very end, lose, and walk away from a combined ticket (Pres/VP) with obama?
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debate tonight ent? obama vs hillary
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obama not even elected yet, and he pick up a lewinsky :-\
what are the chances that hillary will stay in the race till the very end, lose, and walk away from a combined ticket (Pres/VP) with obama?
Is Obama Girl latina? If she is, she is a poster girl for Hispanic support ... who said he didn't have any? heheh
Sunday's Washington Post floated a list of prospective candidates for Clinton, Obama and McCain. Obama was listed as Hillary's putative first choice. However, she didn't make the list of his potential VPs. Go figure.
Obviously not official stuff ...
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Lol...
Funny stuff Bitter.
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obama not even elected yet, and he pick up a lewinsky :-\
what are the chances that hillary will stay in the race till the very end, lose, and walk away from a combined ticket (Pres/VP) with obama?
Is Obama Girl latina? If she is, she is a poster girl for Hispanic support ... who said he didn't have any? heheh
Sunday's Washington Post floated a list of prospective candidates for Clinton, Obama and McCain. Obama was listed as Hillary's putative first choice. However, she didn't make the list of his potential VPs. Go figure.
Obviously not official stuff ...
intrade (http://www.intrade.com/) prediction markets are weighing in on VP candidates, too.
Current numbers:
Democrat nominee: Obama 89.1, Hillary 18.1
Next President: Obama 54.1, McCain 33.9
VP for Dems: Evan Bayh 9.0, Wesley Clark 8.5, Bill Richardson 6.4, Clinton 6.2
VP for GOP: Tim Pawlenty 22.9, Guiliani 6.1, Huckabee 5.7, Romney 5.6, Rice 5.0
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obama not even elected yet, and he pick up a lewinsky :-\
what are the chances that hillary will stay in the race till the very end, lose, and walk away from a combined ticket (Pres/VP) with obama?
Is Obama Girl latina? If she is, she is a poster girl for Hispanic support ... who said he didn't have any? heheh
Sunday's Washington Post floated a list of prospective candidates for Clinton, Obama and McCain. Obama was listed as Hillary's putative first choice. However, she didn't make the list of his potential VPs. Go figure.
Obviously not official stuff ...
intrade (http://www.intrade.com/) prediction markets are weighing in on VP candidates, too.
Current numbers:
Democrat nominee: Obama 89.1, Hillary 18.1
Next President: Obama 54.1, McCain 33.9
VP for Dems: Evan Bayh 9.0, Wesley Clark 8.5, Bill Richardson 6.4
VP for GOP: Tim Pawlenty 22.9, Guiliani 6.1, Romney 5.6
saw this op-ed (http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20080214/cm_huffpost/086704) off the huffington post:
Hillary: The Next Secretary of State (http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20080214/cm_huffpost/086704)
Amitai Etzioni
Rahm Emanuel, where are you when we need you? It is time for the elders of the Democratic Party, especially those not committed to either Clinton or Obama, to get off their duff (while staying on the fence) to figure out the best way to end the intra-Democratic contest. Even if Obama continues to garner a majority of the delegates, Clinton will be left with a substantial number of delegates committed to her. Such situations tend to lead to prolonged and bitter conflicts. As the Republicans are unifying around their candidate, it is time to float ideas to end the Democratic contest.
If Hillary does somehow manage to marshal a solid majority, without such a tricky and unsavory maneuver as relying on the disqualified delegates of Florida and Michigan, she can offer Obama the vice presidency. He is young enough (and would benefit from even more seasoning) to be able to plan to run another day on his own. In contrast, given that she is much closer to the end of her political career, and that this job is often largely ceremonial, it is hard to imagine that Hillary would agree to serve as Obama's VP.
Instead, Hillary would make a fine secretary of state -- a very important and powerful job. Moreover, making a clear commitment to choose her for this position would add much to Obama's appeal, given that his experience in foreign policy is particularly short. (The main difficulty is how to make such a commitment in a way that it cannot be revoked. Since Obama would hardly be inclined to start his term by violating a commitment he made on national TV and during the nominating convention, such a commitment could be taken as an almost sure thing.)
Most important, it is best for the Democrats, and ultimately for the country as a whole, that the intra-Democratic contest not be dragged-out and further embitter whole segments of the voters. The time is now for floating ideas about the best ways to end the contest so that when the time is ripe, the candidate with the highest number of delegates can find ways -- which have been previously aired -- to unify the party and to focus for on the real showdown.
Amitai Etzioni is the founder and director of the Communitarian Network and author of The New Golden Rule: Community and Morality in a Democratic Society (Basic Books, 1996).
thanks e-man - nice site. :beermug:
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obama not even elected yet, and he pick up a lewinsky :-\
what are the chances that hillary will stay in the race till the very end, lose, and walk away from a combined ticket (Pres/VP) with obama?
Is Obama Girl latina? If she is, she is a poster girl for Hispanic support ... who said he didn't have any? heheh
Sunday's Washington Post floated a list of prospective candidates for Clinton, Obama and McCain. Obama was listed as Hillary's putative first choice. However, she didn't make the list of his potential VPs. Go figure.
Obviously not official stuff ...
Obama/Hillary? The man own wife does dominate him enough, he go dead if is TWO overbearing women he have to deal with.
If this world was truly fair, that democratic ticket wold be Hillary and Michelle Obama as Pres and VP. That is one no-nonsense ticket.
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Officer in Clinton motorcade killed in accident Story Highlights
NEW: Dallas police Senior Cpl. Victor Lozada-Tirado dies in motorcycle accident
Officer was part of Sen. Hillary Clinton's motorcade in Dallas
Clinton says she is "greatly heartsick over this loss"
DALLAS, Texas (CNN) -- A police officer was killed Friday morning in a motorcycle accident as Sen. Hillary Clinton's motorcade made its way through downtown Dallas, police said.
Officers inspect a fatal accident involving Sen. Hillary Clinton's motorcade Friday in Dallas.
The Dallas Police Department said Senior Cpl. Victor Lozada-Tirado was traveling southbound on the Houston Street viaduct when he struck a curb, lost control of the motorcycle and went down.
Lozada-Tirado was transported to Methodist Central Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
A Dallas police officer since December 1988, Lozada-Tirado was married with four children, according to police. CNN affiliate WFAA-TV in Dallas/Fort Worth reported he was 49.
There were no other vehicles involved in the accident, police said, and the motorcade was able to continue to the site without further incident.
Clinton said she called the Dallas police chief and would contact the officer's family at an appropriate time.
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The Democratic presidential candidate said she is "greatly heartsick over this loss of life in the line of duty."
"I just want to express my deepest condolences to the family and to the Dallas Police Department on this tragic, tragic loss," she said.
"I am certainly grateful for all they do for me and more importantly what they do for the citizens of cities like Dallas." Watch Clinton offer her condolences »
Clinton is attending rallies Friday in Texas and Ohio ahead of those states' primaries on March 4.
In the past 18 months, there have been two fatal accidents involving motorcycle officers escorting President Bush.
On August 27, Germaine Casey, an officer from Rio Rancho, New Mexico, died when his motorcycle crashed as the motorcade approached the airport in Albuquerque. The 40-year-old had been the lead motorcycle in the motorcade when the crash occurred.
On November 21, 2006, Steve Favela, a Honolulu police motorcycle officer, crashed on wet roads in Hawaii while part of the president's motorcade.
Favela, 30, died of his injuries a week later. Two other officers were injured in the crash. E-mail to a friend
CNN's Sasha Johnson and Mike Roselli contributed to this report.
Things rely bad with Hillary now she dogs ded ,what ah sign
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February 16, 2008
Unofficial Tallies in City Understated Obama Vote
By SAM ROBERTS (NYT)
Correction Appended
Black voters are heavily represented in the 94th Election District in Harlem’s 70th Assembly District. Yet according to the unofficial results from the New York Democratic primary last week, not a single vote in the district was cast for Senator Barack Obama.
That anomaly was not unique. In fact, a review by The New York Times of the unofficial results reported on primary night found about 80 election districts among the city’s 6,106 where Mr. Obama supposedly did not receive even one vote, including cases where he ran a respectable race in a nearby district.
City election officials this week said that their formal review of the results, which will not be completed for weeks, had confirmed some major discrepancies between the vote totals reported publicly — and unofficially — on primary night and the actual tally on hundreds of voting machines across the city.
In the Harlem district, for instance, where the primary night returns suggested a 141 to 0 sweep by Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, the vote now stands at 261 to 136. In an even more heavily black district in Brooklyn — where the vote on primary night was recorded as 118 to 0 for Mrs. Clinton — she now barely leads, 118 to 116.
The history of New York elections has been punctuated by episodes of confusion, incompetence and even occasional corruption. And election officials and lawyers for both Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton agree that it is not uncommon for mistakes to be made by weary inspectors rushing on election night to transcribe columns of numbers that are delivered first to the police and then to the news media.
That said, in a presidential campaign in which every vote at the Democratic National Convention may count, a swing of even a couple of hundred votes in New York might help Mr. Obama gain a few additional delegates.
City election officials said they were convinced that there was nothing sinister to account for the inaccurate initial counts, and The Times’s review found a handful of election districts in the city where Mrs. Clinton received zero votes in the initial results.
“It looked like a lot of the numbers were wrong, probably the result of human error,” said Marcus Cederqvist, who was named executive director of the Board of Elections last month. He said such discrepancies between the unofficial and final count rarely affected the raw vote outcome because “they’re not usually that big.”
On primary night, Mrs. Clinton was leading with 57 percent to Mr. Obama’s 40 percent in New York State, which meant she stood to win 139 delegates to Mr. Obama’s 93, with 49 others known as superdelegates going to the national convention unaffiliated.
Jerome A. Koenig, a former chief of staff to the State Assembly’s election law committee and an adviser to the Obama campaign, suggested that some of the discrepancy resulted from the design of the ballot.
Candidates were listed from left to right in an order selected by drawing lots. Mrs. Clinton was first, followed by Gov. Bill Richardson and Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., who in most election districts received zero votes, and by John Edwards, who got relatively few. Mr. Obama was fifth, just before Representative Dennis J. Kucinich.
Mr. Koenig said he seriously doubted that anything underhanded was at work because local politicians care more about elections that matter specifically to them.
“They steal votes for elections like Assembly District leader, where people have a personal stake,” he said.
A number of political leaders also scoffed at the possibility that local politicians, even if they considered it vital that Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton prevail in the primary, were capable of even trying to hijack such a contest.
Still, for those inclined to consider conspiracy theories, the figures provided plenty of grist.
The 94th Election District in Harlem, for instance, sits within the Congressional district represented by Charles B. Rangel, an original supporter of Mrs. Clinton.
Assemblyman Keith L. T. Wright, a Clinton supporter who represents the same area, said he was confident that there was an innocent explanation for the original count giving Mr. Obama zero votes.
“I’m sure it’s a clerical error of some sort,” Mr. Wright said. “Being around elections for the last 25 years, no candidate receives zero votes.”
But Gordon J. Davis, a former New York City parks commissioner and an Obama poll watcher in the district, remained skeptical, even after being informed of the corrected count.
“First it was reported at 141 to 0, now it’s 261 to 136 in an Assembly district that went 12,000 to 8,000 for Barack,” Mr. Davis said on Friday.
“I was watching like a hawk, but how did I know the machine had a mind of its own?” he added. “And I speak as one who grew up on the South Side of Chicago where we delivered the margin of victory for John F. Kennedy at 4 in the morning.”
At the sprawling Riverside Park Community apartments at Broadway and 135th Street, Alician D. Barksdale said she had voted for Mr. Obama and her daughter had, too, by absentee ballot.
“Everyone around here voted for him,” she said.
The 53rd Assembly District, in Brooklyn, is represented by the borough’s Democratic chairman, Assemblyman Vito P. Lopez, another Clinton supporter. He said the party faithful have produced lopsided margins of as much as 160 to 4 and that on Primary Day he fielded election captains in every district to galvanize Hispanic voters for Mrs. Clinton.
“We ran it the old-fashioned way,” he said. Still, he said, the 118 to 0 vote “has to be a mistake.”
At the Archive, a cafe and video store on the border of Bushwick and East Williamsburg, the manager, Brad Lee, agreed. “There were Obama posters in everyone’s windows,” he said. “There was even Obama graffiti.”
Most election-night anomalies are later reconciled by the official canvass of the machines and in the formal count of absentee returns and of paper affidavit ballots issued on Primary Day, to people who do not appear to be eligible but demand the right to vote, and later validated.
On Feb. 5, Mrs. Clinton carried 61 of the state’s 62 counties but won Brooklyn by a margin of less than 2 percent. Because delegates are awarded proportionately on the basis of the primary vote in each Congressional district, Obama supporters expressed hope that if the official count continued in their favor, they might gain an additional delegate or two.
Kate Hammer and Robin Stein contributed reporting.
This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:
Correction: February 20, 2008
An article on Saturday about discrepancies in the vote count in New York’s Democratic primary misstated the role of Jerome A. Koenig, a former chief of staff to the State Assembly’s Election Law Committee. He is an adviser to Senator Barack Obama’s campaign, not a lawyer for the campaign.
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I surprise none allyuh eh post this little blurb yet
Look de secret service doin ah practice run on de man, like dey do Malcolm X ;)
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article3456423.ece
Secret Service order Dallas police to 'stop screening for weapons' at Obama rally
Friday, February 22, 2008
By Gary Fennelly
The US Secret Service ordered Dallas police to stop screening for weapons at a campaign rally for Barack Obama, according to reports in a Texas newspaper.
Police were told to stop checking people for weapons at the front gates of the Reunion Arena over an hour before the Democratic presidential hopeful appeared on stage on Wednesday, according to a report in Texas newspaper the Star Telegram.
Officers handling security were reportedly ordered to put down metal detectors and to stop checking bags and purses. Several Dallas police officers said they believed it was a lapse in security.
Chief T W Lawrence, head of the Dallas Police's homeland security and special operations divisions, said that while the crowd appeared " friendly" he was still surprised by the great number of people who had entered the building without any checks.
"Doors opened to the public at 10 a.m., and for the first hour security officers scanned each person who came in and checked their belongings. Then, about 11 a.m., an order came down to allow the people in without being checked," the paper reported.
Several other Dallas police officers - speaking on condition of anonymity because the order came from federal officers - told the newspaper it was worrying to see so many people getting in without even a cursory inspection.
"How can you not be concerned in this day and age," said one officer
The Star Telegram said the Secret Service did not return a call seeking comment.
In 1963 John F Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas. The thirty fifth president of the United States was fatally wounded by gunshots while riding with his wife Jacqueline in a presidential motorcade.
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Secret Service order Dallas police to 'stop screening for weapons' at Obama rally
Obama, you keep checking and forget dem secret service peeps, man ;)
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stueps like they start with they nastyness they looking to kill the man already, i remember a documentary on HBO showing showing how it was easy to manipulate voting machines and changing the results, and how the company was suspected of making bush win the election, they say the republicans use the pay the company but they never answer what they paying them for.
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the UN should monitor the elections of this backwards country.
;)
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the UN should monitor the elections of this backwards country.
;)
They have elections going on in Canada? :devil:
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the UN should monitor the elections of this backwards country.
;)
They have elections going on in Canada? :devil:
;D nah nah. dey have by yuh?
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the UN should monitor the elections of this backwards country.
;)
They have elections going on in Canada? :devil:
with the lead up to this current election in the USA I am glad to see many aspects that are better than the Canadian system.
"With the establishment of the United States, the founders of that nation embraced republicanism, rejecting the Westminster system of parliamentary democracy."
see article here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_and_American_politics_compared
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http://www.dailymotion.com/related/7399664/video/x4ca41_mighty-sparrow-barack-the-magnifice_music
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SternLover, ya late like ah PTSC :devil: :devil:
posted arready (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=34089.msg392559#msg392559)
still sounding good though ;) tanks
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If Hillary campaign really behind this then I really overs hillary
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7263783.stm
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44450000/jpg/_44450729_obama_ap_203b.jpg)
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If Hillary campaign really behind this then I really overs hillary
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7263783.stm
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44450000/jpg/_44450729_obama_ap_203b.jpg)
:rotfl:
gloves come orf arready??
somebody was holdin dat jack close to they chest
Me eh know who play dat cyard.....but de man wearin on he head what yankee does fear de most...tell yuhself he juss loss REAL votes oui
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If Hillary campaign really behind this then I really overs hillary
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7263783.stm
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44450000/jpg/_44450729_obama_ap_203b.jpg)
Yuh learn something every day. I never knew Obama was a NYC taxi driver.
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Yuh learn something every day. I never knew Obama was a NYC taxi driver.
E-man, ya wicked.... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
in trute, Obama lorse a set ah votes wid dat picture oui :devil:
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If Hillary campaign really behind this then I really overs hillary
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7263783.stm
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44450000/jpg/_44450729_obama_ap_203b.jpg)
it might actually backfire on her if she using a picture and to suggest thing about the man religion, she just clutching at straws because she know she drowning :devil: , like alyuh forget Muslim does vote to a what ;D
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If Hillary campaign really behind this then I really overs hillary
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7263783.stm
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44450000/jpg/_44450729_obama_ap_203b.jpg)
:rotfl:
gloves come orf arready??
somebody was holdin dat jack close to they chest
Me eh know who play dat cyard.....but de man wearin on he head what yankee does fear de most...tell yuhself he juss loss REAL votes oui
I think this is the knock blow that will separate the two. Clinton will win the nominee and McCain the White House.
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bear in mind Hilary need to win big in her remaining states, just winning wont count
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Well, if Hillary do that then she is a real POS. All that she husband ever do will go flying out the window.
It not even guaranteed to make her win but, it will certainly hinder any chance he have agianst McCain if he does manage to beat her. She would likely not win against McCain, but Obama might. This reckless, selfish and stupid action just may have given the US 4 more years of semi-neo-con rule
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It has to be imputed to Hillary.
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Well, if Hillary do that then she is a real POS. All that she husband ever do will go flying out the window.
It not even guaranteed to make her win but, it will certainly hinder any chance he have agianst McCain if he does manage to beat her. She would likely not win against McCain, but Obama might. This reckless, selfish and stupid action just may have given the US 4 more years of semi-neo-con rule
i was watching news today and that woman like Jeckel and Hyde is amazing to see how her personality does change, she try mocking Obama with his hope statements, but it sound real retarded and the media did not like it either. i mean how can u tell someone not to hope and dream that things can change, she like a friggin anti climax
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DHW this woman real had me fooled. It easy to see why Bill was eating dinner outside the house.
Sharing a life with that woman must be like f*k*ing a blow-up doll with a **nt make from sandpaper.
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DHW this woman real had me fooled. It easy to see why Bill was eating dinner outside the house.
Sharing a life with that woman must be like f*k*ing a blow-up doll with a **nt make from sandpaper.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :devil: oh gord poor bill :D
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Meghan McCain Blog (http://mccainblogette.com/docs/video/)
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DHW this woman real had me fooled. It easy to see why Bill was eating dinner outside the house.
Sharing a life with that woman must be like f*k*ing a blow-up doll with a **nt make from sandpaper.
*Stifled uncontrollable laugh, losing oxygen to the brain*
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Welcome one and all to the world of Hillary Clinton.
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allyuh jes plain wrong. Is de f**king Drudge Report! Any ah allyuh know what de arse dat is? Who behind dat?
Asylum knows about dis piece ah shit called Matt Drudge.
It must be imputed to Hillary...fella yuh falling tuh ah new low.
IS de f**king drudge report!!!!
If is anyone who release dat is f**king republicans!
If is Hillary den she really hit as low as A-Seeker.
steups.
Drudge did report dat Bill had ah child with ah f**king crack whore.
He once report dat Kerry f**k ah intern.
He had ah report dat An official at the press conference called Ware's conduct "outrageous," saying, "here you have two United States Senators in Bagdad giving first-hand reports while Ware is laughing and mocking their comments. I've never witnessed such disrespect. This guy is an activist not a reporter." ”
— The Drudge Report, Matthew Drudge
Talking about ah CNN reporter named Mike Ware
De man did say one time dat a man was ah wife beater...no trute at all a judge did call he ah purveyor of gossip and not ah reporter.
I feel Matt Drudge could get ah big wuk in de Express.
BULLSHIT PEOPLE!
He break news before but even ah f**king broken clock is right twice in ah day!
f**k he.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/CNN_reporter_slams_Drudges_charge_that_0402.html
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/politics/national/features/9221/index5.html
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DHW this woman real had me fooled. It easy to see why Bill was eating dinner outside the house.
Sharing a life with that woman must be like f*k*ing a blow-up doll with a **nt make from sandpaper.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
so sad but so true.
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Who stands to be the beneficiary of the photo being released?
I eh looking for Hillary's fingerprints on the photo ... leh we be serious ... buh ahm, timing is everything isn't it?
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I could see dem Republicans doing that
Just wait.........ya see McCain adviser orready gorn, as I suspect that FIREWORKS will fly when we know that Barack will be the democrats candidate.
check what he said and I have read between the lines eh so give me ah bligh
"Mark McKinnon, a top adviser in Republican Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign, said on National Public Radio's All Things Considered that he won't stay with the campaign if Sen. Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee and inevitably would be the target of attacks in the general election. "
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I could see dem Republicans doing that
Just wait.........ya see McCain adviser orready gorn, as I suspect that FIREWORKS will fly when we know that Barack will be the democrats candidate.
check what he said and I have read between the lines eh so give me ah bligh
"Mark McKinnon, a top adviser in Republican Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign, said on National Public Radio's All Things Considered that he won't stay with the campaign if Sen. Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee and inevitably would be the target of attacks in the general election. "
stueps, MacCain the horner man :devil:
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allyuh jes plain wrong. Is de f**king Drudge Report! Any ah allyuh know what de arse dat is? Who behind dat?
Asylum knows about dis piece ah shit called Matt Drudge.
It must be imputed to Hillary...fella yuh falling tuh ah new low.
IS de f**king drudge report!!!!
If is anyone who release dat is f**king republicans!
If is Hillary den she really hit as low as A-Seeker.
steups.
Drudge did report dat Bill had ah child with ah f**king crack whore.
He once report dat Kerry f**k ah intern.
He had ah report dat An official at the press conference called Ware's conduct "outrageous," saying, "here you have two United States Senators in Bagdad giving first-hand reports while Ware is laughing and mocking their comments. I've never witnessed such disrespect. This guy is an activist not a reporter." ”
— The Drudge Report, Matthew Drudge
Talking about ah CNN reporter named Mike Ware
De man did say one time dat a man was ah wife beater...no trute at all a judge did call he ah purveyor of gossip and not ah reporter.
I feel Matt Drudge could get ah big wuk in de Express.
BULLSHIT PEOPLE!
He break news before but even ah f**king broken clock is right twice in ah day!
f**k he.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/CNN_reporter_slams_Drudges_charge_that_0402.html
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/politics/national/features/9221/index5.html
(http://www.drudgereport.com//nyc.jpg)
drudge is just an aggregator. save your vitriol for the source. look rupert murdoch and he new york post.
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(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080225/capt.32948d4d7682438e93b6c04c9972a109.clinton_2008_mack135.jpg?x=400&y=248&sig=z7N0ZaDqM6s1e_ToTPDdpA--)
Where is Bill?.......soooooey......sooooey.......sooooooooooooooooooooooooey.......dat swine where is he?
with the flight attendant again?
:devil: :devil:
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I just finish watch the NBC debate...
I think Hillary just get a suttle cut ass..
Obama is an excellent orator..
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What are the odds of Hillary and Bill divorcing if this doh pan out?
JayTheWrecker check yuh ppl and geh back ...
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Clinton Camp Claims Smear Over Pointy Hat Photograph
Posted by Harvey at 12:23 PM
(http://www.grouchyoldcripple.com/archives/witch2.jpg)
"They dressed me up like this. And this isn't MY nose, it's a false one."
WASHINGTON (AP) - Hillary Clinton's campaign team yesterday accused Barack Obama's beleaguered staff of mounting a desperate dirty tricks operation by circulating a picture of her dressed in black and wearing a pointy hat, feeding into false claims of right-wing websites that she is a witch.
Aides for Obama did not deny distributing the picture but claimed it was not designed to be a smear. However, Clinton's campaign manager, Maggie Williams, described it as "the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we've seen from either party in this election".
The picture was taken when Clinton visited the set of "The View" and was dressed by the show's hostesses in the traditional garb of a feminist elder. Internet rumors have long ascribed malevolent supernatural powers to the former First Lady, and many insist that only Clinton's status as a concubine of the Prince of Darkness could possibly explain President Bush's brief stint as a newt.
In retaliation, the Clinton campaign has released pictures of Obama dressed as Garth Brooks, in what Obama's team calls "a sleazy attempt to play on America's irrational fear of inbred hillbilly country music superstars".
Newsish Fakery
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de republican HATERADE machine working overtime now man ;)
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Clinton Camp Claims Smear Over Pointy Hat Photograph
Posted by Harvey at 12:23 PM
(http://www.grouchyoldcripple.com/archives/witch2.jpg)
"They dressed me up like this. And this isn't MY nose, it's a false one."
WASHINGTON (AP) - Hillary Clinton's campaign team yesterday accused Barack Obama's beleaguered staff of mounting a desperate dirty tricks operation by circulating a picture of her dressed in black and wearing a pointy hat, feeding into false claims of right-wing websites that she is a witch.
Aides for Obama did not deny distributing the picture but claimed it was not designed to be a smear. However, Clinton's campaign manager, Maggie Williams, described it as "the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we've seen from either party in this election".
The picture was taken when Clinton visited the set of "The View" and was dressed by the show's hostesses in the traditional garb of a feminist elder. Internet rumors have long ascribed malevolent supernatural powers to the former First Lady, and many insist that only Clinton's status as a concubine of the Prince of Darkness could possibly explain President Bush's brief stint as a newt.
In retaliation, the Clinton campaign has released pictures of Obama dressed as Garth Brooks, in what Obama's team calls "a sleazy attempt to play on America's irrational fear of inbred hillbilly country music superstars".
Newsish Fakery
I read an article once which claimed that both Hillary and Bill are witches and Freemasons. I din bother to do any other research.
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Civil rights leader switches to Obama
By BEN EVANS, Associated Press Writer 6 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Civil rights leader John Lewis dropped his support for Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential bid Wednesday in favor of Barack Obama. Lewis, a Democratic congressman from Atlanta, is the most prominent black leader to defect from Clinton's campaign in the face of near-unanimous black support for Obama in recent voting.
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He also is a superdelegate who gets a vote at this summer's national convention in Denver.
"After taking some time for serious reflection on this issue, I have decided that when I cast my vote as a superdelegate at the Democratic convention, it is my duty as a representative of the 5th Congressional District to express the will of the people," Lewis said in a statement. "As a U.S. representative, it is my role not to try to subdue or suppress the will of the people, but to help it prosper and grow."
Lewis' endorsement had been a coveted prize among the Democratic candidates thanks to his standing as one of the most prominent civil rights leaders of the 1960s.
"John Lewis is an American hero and a giant of the civil rights movement, and I am deeply honored to have his support," Obama said.
He announced his support for Clinton in October and has appeared on her behalf on television and at events across the country, at one point accusing Obama supporters of trying to "fan the flames" of race against Clinton. She has frequently cited his support in trying to establish her credentials among minority voters, saying she saw her campaign as a continuation of his work.
But Lewis came under intense pressure to get behind Obama after his constituents supported the Illinois senator roughly 3-to-1 in Georgia's Feb. 5 primary, and about 90 percent of black voters statewide voted for Obama, according to exit polls.
His change of heart follows a similar move by Rep. David Scott, a black Democrat who represents a neighboring district. It also comes a week after the Rev. Markel Hutchins, a young Atlanta minister, announced he would challenge Lewis in the Democratic congressional primary this summer.
"I think the candidacy of Senator Obama represents the beginning of a new movement in American political history that began in the hearts and minds of the people of this nation," he said. "And I want to be on the side of the people."
Lewis' announcement comes on the same day as another superdelegate, Sen. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, endorsed Obama, citing the presidential hopeful's record on trade.
The Obama campaign also said more than 1 million people have contributed to the campaign — a threshold crossed on Wednesday. Many donors have given $25 or $50, he said. The average donation is a little more than $100.
"We have funded this campaign at the grassroots level," campaign manager David Plouffe told reporters on a conference call. "It's really built on the backs of the American people who are getting involved in this campaign. Most of the people giving us money are also volunteering."
Dorgan said Obama has supported key trade issues. "He and I feel the same way. We both believe in trade and plenty of it. We just insist it that it be fair to our country — the rules be fair."
NAFTA, the free trade agreement with Canada and Mexico, is unpopular with blue-collar workers whose votes are critical in the Democratic primary Tuesday in Ohio.
Obama has won 11 straight primaries and caucuses since Super Tuesday, increased his advantage in the all-important delegate count and has attracted the support of his congressional colleagues. On Tuesday, he secured the endorsement of one-time presidential candidate Sen. Chris Dodd of Connecticut.
Clinton has been endorsed by 13 of her Senate colleagues, Obama 10.
Dorgan was an ally of former President Clinton and a vocal critic of President Bush. As chairman of the Democratic Policy Committee, he has led hearings on government accountability issues related to the Iraq war and hurricanes on the Gulf Coast.
Dorgan has built a reputation for championing populist farm programs, criticizing Republican free-trade policies and assailing big business.
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OBAMA RULES
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Clinton Camp Claims Smear Over Pointy Hat Photograph
Posted by Harvey at 12:23 PM
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"They dressed me up like this. And this isn't MY nose, it's a false one."
WASHINGTON (AP) - Hillary Clinton's campaign team yesterday accused Barack Obama's beleaguered staff of mounting a desperate dirty tricks operation by circulating a picture of her dressed in black and wearing a pointy hat, feeding into false claims of right-wing websites that she is a witch.
Aides for Obama did not deny distributing the picture but claimed it was not designed to be a smear. However, Clinton's campaign manager, Maggie Williams, described it as "the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we've seen from either party in this election".
The picture was taken when Clinton visited the set of "The View" and was dressed by the show's hostesses in the traditional garb of a feminist elder. Internet rumors have long ascribed malevolent supernatural powers to the former First Lady, and many insist that only Clinton's status as a concubine of the Prince of Darkness could possibly explain President Bush's brief stint as a newt.
In retaliation, the Clinton campaign has released pictures of Obama dressed as Garth Brooks, in what Obama's team calls "a sleazy attempt to play on America's irrational fear of inbred hillbilly country music superstars".
Newsish Fakery
I read an article once which claimed that both Hillary and Bill are witches and Freemasons. I din bother to do any other research.
She feeling the pressure now, bitch :devil:
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Very Nice speech tonight by the next President of the USA (http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGB2yx)
"children who go to bed hungry in the richest nation on Earth" nah dat ent happening..is it?
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I think McCain in going to win.
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Very Nice speech tonight by the next President of the USA (http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGB2yx)
"children who go to bed hungry in the richest nation on Earth" nah dat ent happening..is it?
Children eh going to sleep hungry in Vancouver? In T&T? what de arse???
next predisdent? possible but no guarantee he even getting the Dem nomination.
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The race is poised in a manner that suggests further traditional negative messaging from Hillary Clinton and an enhanced and modified messaging from Barack Obama are what we should expect in the days and weeks ahead. Examining Obama today for any visible hint of 'fatigue' ... I haven't seen it (yet). (Need to assess him on a body of interviews conducted in the next day or so.) Already, there are several lessons to be learned from this campaign and if ever there was a time to screw things up, now would be it.
It's clear John McCain is not the strongest Republican candidate fielded for a while. Yet, Hillary's messaging on Obama plays to McCain's strengths at the expense of his clear weakness - management of the economy (yeah, ah know dahs de Fed's job strictly speaking). However, someone in the campaigns has to think through where they are taking this as the nomination (the immediate end-game) is the target, but the real target is the Presidency. Viewed today, I can't see Democrats winning the presidency on the heels of a protracted negotiation process at the Democratic convention. How they manage that will determine how evenly or unevenly McCain runs.
My view is dey simply cyah concede too much territory on national security matters now then hope to re-position the discussion to the economy midway through the summer as the price of gas takes centre place due to heightened travel etc. McCain managed well could stomp right into the White House (barring 1 of 3 possibilites)
McCain will be woefully impotent in the economic arena and likely will not have the balls or leverage to challenge Republican orthodoxy on economic policymaking. If anyone here believes a successful presidency can be based on national security policymaking exclusively, lehme present Exhibits A-Z ... George W. Bush's foreign policy ... choose the location of your choice.
The mission for the Democratic candidates is clear, not easy. They have dey wuk cut out for them.
Finally, is anybody of the opinion that the WH is not managing Iraq with a view to preserving the presidency?
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Asylumseeker, I was listening to a fella on CNN talking about the Mortgage problems but did not get whet he thought would be the main impact of that situation
Have you looked into that and the problems that it may cause the next president.
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Asylumseeker, I was listening to a fella on CNN talking about the Mortgage problems but did not get whet he thought would be the main impact of that situation
Have you looked into that and the problems that it may cause the next president.
Mortgage mess is sorting itself out. That does not eman that there will not be more fallout from this issue though. It has to righten itself, but loads of money, mostly foreign money (Asian) is helping the matter.
The next President will say look at what I inherited and look at how it has improved.
Asylum, Obama looks tired and out of ideas at this ppint. he has to show leadership now and fire his minister of misinformation now!
He has been caught misrepresenting the facts lately, and while I dont beleive he was delibrately doing so, the person feeding him that info MUST GO!
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He looks realy out of depth right now and needs to regroup asap.
I AM ROUTING FOR HIM!!!!
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Obama will make a real good president...AFTER HILARY. He eh ready...but i think he destined for it. He need more time to better develop his policies and positions.
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Obama will make a real good president...AFTER HILARY. He eh ready...but i think he destined for it. He need more time to better develop his policies and positions.
It's not that his policies are inferior to Hillary's - in fact, several analysts have opined that his policy package in many respects exceeds Mrs. Clinton's - the reality is that his campaign has not had to rely on detailed messaging with respect to policy issues thus far. Whereas, Hillary typically relies on policy wonkism to obscure issues and to create an air of wisdom. I can say with certainty that many a policy wonk candidate have failed in the past because voters are not attracted by mere abstractions. Candidates have to be careful not to come across as too studied and clueless in terms of pragmatism. However, Hillary uses it as sword and shield; carrot and stick. She's married to a policy geek and the media have come to accept this. Nonetheless, if we are honest, and if we reduce the body of Hillary's experience to it's critical mass, we'll see that it's the policy guru perception that gives her some sheen. Yeah, she understood the health care debate in the early 1990s but she was clueless then as to how to negotiate the legislative architecture in pragmatic terms to yield a positive result.
Barack had to selectively engage when to enter abstract policy discussions because they present just the slippery slope on which Hillary hoped to foil him. Recall she couldn't stop calling for debates to be added to the program?
Moreover, as some of the analysts refered to above have mentioned, individuals/voters that interested in policy perspectives can find them in a source that was previously out of the domain of presidential political campaigns 3, definitely 4, cycles ago: the Internet. As well, my view is keen policy observers are largely single-issue consumers seeking to identify whether candidate X is in favour of issue A or not. Much of the stuff is too much of a maze to interest the average voter. Most of it is insufficiently palatable to make good campaign sense to dwell on unless some mileage can be had by pushing a contrast/negative ad (Jesse Helm's white hands ad instilling fear regarding affirmative action and the mass loss of jobs by white males) ... touches a policy issue but does not rely on truth in policy position per se, just relies on fearmongering ... precisely what's going on now with the notion that Obama is policy-deficient and will destroy the US with respect to national security policymaking.
As TT points out, the issue is messaging. See my comments above regarding detailed messaging.
Consider the various cycles the election has gone through thus far:
1. Iowa-New Hampshire
2. South Carolina
3. Super Tuesday states
4. Texas-Ohio
and insert the various environments:
1. Race and Gender
2. Rezko
3. Traditional garb photos
4. The debates/sniping featuring the other candidates before they dropped out
5. Iraq
etc.
Where exactly would policy on that scale have fit in? ... Candidates were pushing mild contrasts and trying to come across as likeable and presidential.
I am amazed at the ease with which this particular distinguished Harvard Law School graduate has been dismissed as wanting, unprepared and deficient. Dahs why Hillary today could chat ignorance 'bout Ohio means the voters want her at the top of the ticket. Please, what did the 12 resounding losses signify? Who has won more of the popular vote thus far?
Seven weeks between now and Ohio and it will not be pretty. Demographically Ohio and Penn ent too far apart. Barack will have time to make a case but same speed Hillary will have nuff time to do what she does best.
Watch de ride! The focus will be to make a brodda snap.
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... ad while ah on that, surprise surprise eh ... look who looking to bring in Florida and Michigan ... Hillary Clinton? Watch meh! Iz leave no stone unturned and take no prisoners.
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... ad while ah on that, surprise surprise eh ... look who looking to bring in Florida and Michigan ... Hillary Clinton? Watch meh! Iz leave no stone unturned and take no prisoners.
to be fair, she has always maintained that Florida and Michigan should count...and why not?
Seeker. de man looking like he out ah ideas, more of de same...nuttten new....those who are committed to voting for him based on his current stance have done so...he needs to convince white women to get behind him more.
he is going to slip up unless he makes a move.....and soon.
Penn is going to Hillary...no doubt in my mind....unless he hits hard and fast.
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Another tactic pandering to racists. This was something that was done with a TIME magazine cover of OJ. They darkened it to make him look "blacker".
Now there is an ad from Hillary that makes Obama look darker.
Liberal Bloggers Accuse Clinton Campaign Of Making Obama Darker (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/liberal-blogger.html)
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:D
Hillary playin hardball dis rounds oui
Ah see how dey darken up OJ and Obama....but somehow dey make condoleeza look like ah satanic vampire
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come on thats a common ploy. Times was trying to make OJ more sinister.
as for de Obama ting, dat look like ah cnn or news studio shot....poor lighting...i eh so sure dat was ah ploy.
Politics nasty oui.
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stueps obama still leading, iron barbie have to come better than that
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stueps obama still leading, iron barbie have to come better than that
leading what?
he cannot win the nomination even if he wins every other state by large margins...it comes down to the super delegates.
lol
what a contest, the best battle ever.
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Obama to sharpen criticism of Clinton
By TOM RAUM, Associated Press Writer 50 minutes ago
CHICAGO - Democratic Sen. Barack Obama on Wednesday blamed his primary defeats in Ohio and Texas on rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's criticism and news coverage that he argued benefited her at his expense.
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The presidential candidate said he planned to do more in the days ahead to raise doubts about his opponent's claims to foreign policy and other Washington experience. In a television ad that her campaign credits with helping her win, she portrayed herself as most prepared to handle an international crisis.
"What exactly is this foreign policy experience?" Obama asked mockingly. "Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no."
Clinton, who was asked in TV interviews Wednesday about her national security qualifications, ticked off a series events in which she played a role, including peace talks in Northern Ireland, the Kosovo refugee crisis and standing up for women's rights in China. She also cited her work on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
Obama's campaign immediately delivered on his pledge to criticize Clinton. Aides distributed a memo and held a conference call to question why she won't release her tax returns. The Clinton campaign responded with a statement e-mailed to reporters while they were on the Obama call that said the Clintons' returns since they left the White House will be made public around April 15.
Obama reflected on the losses that broke a 12-contest winning streak in a talk with reporters aboard his campaign plane as he returned to his hometown of Chicago from San Antonio.
"There's no doubt that Senator Clinton went very negative over the last week," Obama said. He said the Clinton campaign's multiple attacks "had some impact" on the election results "particularly in the context where many of you in the press corps had been persuaded that you had been too hard on her and too soft on me."
"Complaining about the refs apparently worked a little bit this week," he said, equating members of the news media with referees in a sporting event.
"So hopefully in addition to my call to Lorne Michaels, hopefully now people feel like everything's evened out and we can start actually covering the campaign properly," he said.
Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the reference to Michaels, producer of the television comedy show "Saturday Night Live," was a joke. The show has recently featured skits in which actors portraying reporters lob softball questions at an Obama impersonator and hardball ones at a Clinton character. Clinton herself appeared on the show last weekend. Obama was on the show last November.
Obama also complained about what he said was "the notion that somehow all the states I win somehow are not bellwether states but the states that Senator Clinton wins, those are the critical ones."
He said it was "a strange way of keeping score and I don't think it makes much sense."
As to tactics ahead, Obama said that Clinton "made a series of arguments on why she should be a superior candidate. I think it's important to examine that argument."
"We're happy to join the debate, If that's the debate they want to have," Obama said, noting Clinton's efforts to portray him as lacking her level of experience. "In the coming weeks, we will join her in that argument."
Obama also brushed off a question about a joint ticket with Clinton. "We are just focused on winning this nomination," he said. "I think it is premature to start talking about a joint ticket."
Obama had nothing on his public schedule Wednesday and Thursday. Friday, he flies to Wyoming to campaign and was also expected to go to Mississippi over the weekend — sites of the next two Democratic contests.
Meanwhile, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe acknowledged that Clinton "had a good night last night in terms of the raw vote." But he said that she made such shallow gains in picking up new delegates that, proportionately, she was worse off in terms of overtaking Obama's delegate count than before.
"There were a lot of delegates at stake last night and she faced a big deficit," he said. Plouffe said she needed substantial pickups "to make the math work" and keep from falling farther behind. "That did not come to fruition," he said. The number needed to overtake Obama keeps rising, with only a dwindling number of delegates left.
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stueps obama still leading, iron barbie have to come better than that
leading what?
he cannot win the nomination even if he wins every other state by large margins...it comes down to the super delegates.
lol
what a contest, the best battle ever.
he leading in delegates, he and Hilary cannot get all the delegates needed to win anyway.
obama
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The math
From Barack Obama
Our projections show the most likely outcome of yesterday's elections will be that Hillary Clinton gained 187 delegates, and we gained 183.
That's a net gain of 4 delegates out of more than 370 delegates available from all the states that voted.
For comparison, that's less than half our net gain of 9 delegates from the District of Columbia alone. It's also less than our net gain of 8 from Nebraska, or 12 from Washington State. And it's considerably less than our net gain of 33 delegates from Georgia.
The task for the Clinton campaign yesterday was clear. In order to have a plausible path to the nomination, they needed to score huge delegate victories and cut into our lead.
They failed.
It's clear, though, that Senator Clinton wants to continue an increasingly desperate, increasingly negative -- and increasingly expensive -- campaign to tear us down.
That's her decision. But it's not stopping John McCain, who clinched the Republican nomination last night, from going on the offensive. He's already made news attacking Barack, and that will only become more frequent in the coming days.
Right now, it's essential for every single supporter of Barack Obama to step up and help fight this two-front battle. In the face of attacks from Hillary Clinton and John McCain, we need to be ready to take them on.
Will you make an online donation of $25 right now?
https://donate.barackobama.com/facebookmath
The chatter among pundits may have gotten better for the Clinton campaign after last night, but by failing to cut into our lead, the math -- and their chances of winning -- got considerably worse.
Today, we still have a lead of more than 150 delegates, and there are only 611 pledged delegates left to win in the upcoming contests.
By a week from today, we will have competed in Wyoming and Mississippi. Two more states and 45 more delegates will be off the table.
But if Senator Clinton wants to continue this, let's show that we're ready.
Make an online donation of $25 now to show you're willing to fight for this:
https://donate.barackobama.com/facebookmath
Thank you,
David
David Plouffe
Campaign Manager
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The Obama camp whining and crying for the last few weeks about campaign strategy but doesn't he have way more $ and endorsements? With all those resources u admit to getting licks on the campaigning?
And he questioning Hilary experience? Yuh mad or wha lol That is a losing battle...because ultimately it will just draw a comparison to himself with his ZERO experience.
A next thing...America don't need no radical political change....they need a change of administrations with better vision and planning. He pushing this change thing like they need a revolution and understandable some people will buy into that with the FILTH Bush do but I eh think they need that much of a change. I guessing at some point that change mantra will wear out because it have no real substance in that claim anyway.
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So after dem fight so hard and bitter for this nomination...they have any ideas bout wha dey plan to do about the actual presidency?
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Total Delegate Counts
Democrats (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#val=D)
Republicans (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#val=R)
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Total Delegate Counts
Democrats (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#val=D)
Republicans (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#val=R)
Looking at that right now, Texas is interesting. Remember there is both a primary (126 delegates) and caucuses (67 delegates)
The count for the primary is pretty much done, 99%, and Clinton got 65, Obama 61
The caucuses only show 40% reporting and Obama is leading 56% to 44%. If he ends up taking that percentage of delegates he would have 38 more vs. 29 for Clinton making the total for Texas 99 Obama, 94 Clinton.
So Obama would win the delegate count in Texas in the end.
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On CNN they tried to explain the process in Texas and I could not follow what they were saying... :-\
apparently the system in Texas is different.
check this story from AP
"Clinton hints at sharing ticket with Obama; nomination must be decided first
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at 8:50 on March 5, 2008, EST.
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton is hinting at sharing the Democratic presidential ticket with Barack Obama, but with her at the top.
Rodham Clinton made her remarks this morning on CBS's "The Early Show" following her primary victory Tuesday.
Asked whether she and Obama should be on the same ticket, Clinton replied:
"That may be where this is headed, but of course we have to decide who is on the top of ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me." ;D
Obama meanwhile, is playing down Tuesday's loss, stressing that he still holds the overall lead in delegates. ;)
©The Canadian Press, 2008 "
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The Obama camp whining and crying for the last few weeks about campaign strategy but doesn't he have way more $ and endorsements? With all those resources u admit to getting licks on the campaigning?
And he questioning Hilary experience? Yuh mad or wha lol That is a losing battle...because ultimately it will just draw a comparison to himself with his ZERO experience.
A next thing...America don't need no radical political change....they need a change of administrations with better vision and planning. He pushing this change thing like they need a revolution and understandable some people will buy into that with the FILTH Bush do but I eh think they need that much of a change. I guessing at some point that change mantra will wear out because it have no real substance in that claim anyway.
You say ZERO experience, yet he has more legislative experience than she does? And in two different legislative arenas at that? State and federal?
With respect to change? Many Americans - arguably a plurality of Americans - have identified a need for radical change in the conduct of affairs in Washington, DC. The change that has galvanized supporters of Obama is not a mere change of administration by party. It is towards a change in the way business is done in DC. Special interests, lobbyists, state v federal ringhts/interests ..... several platforms ... you're seriously misreading the economic injustice that's prevalent on ground level in America. Americans don't rush out into the streets to burn tires, but when one engages them in their living rooms or at town hall meetings etc., they vent the pressure cooker of their feelings.
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The Obama camp whining and crying for the last few weeks about campaign strategy but doesn't he have way more $ and endorsements? With all those resources u admit to getting licks on the campaigning?
And he questioning Hilary experience? Yuh mad or wha lol That is a losing battle...because ultimately it will just draw a comparison to himself with his ZERO experience.
A next thing...America don't need no radical political change....they need a change of administrations with better vision and planning. He pushing this change thing like they need a revolution and understandable some people will buy into that with the FILTH Bush do but I eh think they need that much of a change. I guessing at some point that change mantra will wear out because it have no real substance in that claim anyway.
You say ZERO experience, yet he has more legislative experience than she does? And in two different legislative arenas at that? State and federal?
With respect to change? Many Americans - arguably a plurality of Americans - have identified a need for radical change in the conduct of affairs in Washington, DC. The change that has galvanized supporters of Obama is not a mere change of administration by party. It is towards a change in the way business is done in DC. Special interests, lobbyists, state v federal ringhts/interests ..... several platforms ... you're seriously misreading the economic injustice that's prevalent on ground level in America. Americans don't rush out into the streets to burn tires, but when one engages them in their living rooms or at town hall meetings etc., they vent the pressure cooker of their feelings.
Asylumseeker, I was thinking about that same thing last night eh...burning tires and looting
Do you think that there would be a repeat situation if there was another "Rodney King" type outcome of a court case?
I truly believe that there would be, so change is needed in relation to that scurge of the society.
but on to your other point about "It is towards a change in the way business is done in DC. Special interests, lobbyists, state v federal ringhts/interests".
I hope that Obama is able to change how things are done. Pork Barrell politics I have read needs some serious checks and balances.
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Yeah, at the core there are problems. A lot of it is obscured from the public in terms of structure, but many ppl understand it in terms of effect. That's precisely why Hillary is villified because she is firmly rooted to politics of that cast. Bill as well.
We're getting a bit ahead of events, but at least we recognise the call for change is distinct from the actuality of enabling change. Much will depend on the composition of Congress.
One undercurrent going on this cycle is the difficulty prominent faces will have getting re-elected: Kucinich and Ron Paul among them. We're in a counter-intuitive environment.
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Ah jus curious.
Why this seems so important to you guys ?
For me I jus looking to see if the AMERICAN people will elect ah blackman or ah oman as president.
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For me I jus looking to see if the AMERICAN people will elect ah blackman or ah oman as president.
that too....but the other stuff is to distract us from the excitement and anticipation ;D ;D
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For me I jus looking to see if the AMERICAN people will elect ah blackman or ah oman as president.
that too....but the other stuff is to distract us from the excitement and anticipation ;D ;D
So is 12 pages of political idleness.
BTW who yuh donate to ?
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For me I jus looking to see if the AMERICAN people will elect ah blackman or ah oman as president.
that too....but the other stuff is to distract us from the excitement and anticipation ;D ;D
So is 12 pages of political idleness.
BTW who yuh donate to ?
Doh WHAT?
man ketch ya self ;D ;D
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Total Delegate Counts
Democrats (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#val=D)
Republicans (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#val=R)
Looking at that right now, Texas is interesting. Remember there is both a primary (126 delegates) and caucuses (67 delegates)
The count for the primary is pretty much done, 99%, and Clinton got 65, Obama 61
The caucuses only show 40% reporting and Obama is leading 56% to 44%. If he ends up taking that percentage of delegates he would have 38 more vs. 29 for Clinton making the total for Texas 99 Obama, 94 Clinton.
So Obama would win the delegate count in Texas in the end.
:applause: :applause: :applause: Let's get Wyoming, Mississippi and Pennsylvania now.
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Ah jus curious.
Why this seems so important to you guys ?
For me I jus looking to see if the AMERICAN people will elect ah blackman or ah oman as president.
No disrespect, but I for one interested because I am in their military, and I don't want Mccain to win because he looks like ah next Bush with ah passion for WAR, also I kinda want ah Democrat in to win. ;D
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Ah jus curious.
Why this seems so important to you guys ?
For me I jus looking to see if the AMERICAN people will elect ah blackman or ah oman as president.
No disrespect, but I for one interested because I am in their military, and I don't want Mccain to win because he looks like ah next Bush with ah passion for WAR, also I kinda want ah Democrat in to win. ;D
teach how to fire a M4 rifle nah, ah need some shooting practice with dem bandit here ;D
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It seems that the process of electing the presidential is too democratic for some people. Some people saying that Democrats way for selecting the candidate is too devisive. I don't see it that way. I think it should go all the way to the convention.
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It seems that the process of electing the presidential is too democratic for some people. Some people saying that Democrats way for selecting the candidate is too devisive. I don't see it that way. I think it should go all the way to the convention.
and I feel that they should get derid of the superdelegates as they are self serving as far as I could tell. Are they not Party members and therefore not voted by the people?
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It seems that the process of electing the presidential is too democratic for some people. Some people saying that Democrats way for selecting the candidate is too devisive. I don't see it that way. I think it should go all the way to the convention.
and I feel that they should get derid of the superdelegates as they are self serving as far as I could tell. Are they not Party members and therefore not voted by the people?
No super delegates Obama would be trailing!
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It seems that the process of electing the presidential is too democratic for some people. Some people saying that Democrats way for selecting the candidate is too devisive. I don't see it that way. I think it should go all the way to the convention.
and I feel that they should get derid of the superdelegates as they are self serving as far as I could tell. Are they not Party members and therefore not voted by the people?
No super delegates Obama would be trailing!
according to CNN, Hills have 238 and Barack have 199
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#val=D
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de only reason obama winning de delegate count is becasue of Hillary's advisors over confidence!
dey used ah system of focusing on certain states and largely ignoring others — particularly those holding caucuses — was a mistake and helped Obama build a significant lead among pledged delegates.
so now she competing everywhere and holding down he delegate count.
She looks like she might pull it off, but may ahve tuh share de ticket with Obama....ahhhhh politics boy...it is something else!
WestCoast... yes she has more pledged super delegates, but if yuh take away all de super delegates den Hillary would have competed in ALL states including de ones with caucuses and she wold be leading now.
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de only reason obama winning de delegate count is becasue of Hillary's advisors over confidence!
dey used ah system of focusing on certain states and largely ignoring others — particularly those holding caucuses — was a mistake and helped Obama build a significant lead among pledged delegates.
so now she competing everywhere and holding down he delegate count.
She looks like she might pull it off, but may ahve tuh share de ticket with Obama....ahhhhh politics boy...it is something else!
WestCoast... yes she has more pledged super delegates, but if yuh take away all de super delegates den Hillary would have competed in ALL states including de ones with caucuses and she wold be leading now.
so what is the deal with all those delegates in Florida ...seems hills lookin for a big fight to allow them ;D
and I forgot michigan
I now find it ironic that the democrats are dis allowing florida votes :D
especially when you consider the presidential result back in 2000 ;)
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Yea they need to have Florida and Michigan vote again.
Obama say they didn't campaign there because of an agreement or whatever so just have them vote again....doesn't seem fair to discount a whole state...even if is cuz they rush thru instead of waiting.
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Yea they need to have Florida and Michigan vote again.
I concur
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Hillary always wa ted dem becasue she strong in florida with de Hispanic vote and in Michigan with de Unions.
but she agreed now she want tuh go backwards...lol
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She is devious - by putting is out there that she might select Obama as a running mate. I feel that no way in hell does she actually want to have that happen, but by putting the idea in people's heads she may get the votes from people who really like Obama but feel he could use more experience. "As long as she makes him VP...."
If that works to get her the nomination don't look for her to follow through though.
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She is devious - by putting is out there that she might select Obama as a running mate. I feel that no way in hell does she actually want to have that happen, but by putting the idea in people's heads she may get the votes from people who really like Obama but feel he could use more experience. "As long as she makes him VP...."
If that works to get her the nomination don't look for her to follow through though.
Come on E-Man, be fair she did not just come up with that suggestion. A question was posed to her and she answer that it may very well come down to a shared ticket based on NO CLEAR winner.
She stuck to her guns and said she should be first on the ticket though.
You are making it look like she came up with a plot to steal votes.
lol
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ok here is the interaction
"On The Early Show, co-anchor Harry Smith said to Clinton, "We talked to a lot of people in Ohio who said there really isn't that significant a difference between you two, and they'd like to see you both on the ticket."
"Well, that may, you know, be where this is headed," Clinton said. "But of course, we have to decide who's on the top of the ticket, and I think that the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me." "
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/04/politics/main3902987.shtml
what I dont follow is her ascertion that because of Ohio, that she should be the democratic candidate and obama as VP
dont follow that at all
as it stands right now Obama is ahead in the count
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as it stands right now Obama is ahead in the count
Amen to that :angel:
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ok here is the interaction
"On The Early Show, co-anchor Harry Smith said to Clinton, "We talked to a lot of people in Ohio who said there really isn't that significant a difference between you two, and they'd like to see you both on the ticket."
"Well, that may, you know, be where this is headed," Clinton said. "But of course, we have to decide who's on the top of the ticket, and I think that the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me." "
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/04/politics/main3902987.shtml
what I dont follow is her ascertion that because of Ohio, that she should be the democratic candidate and obama as VP
dont follow that at all
as it stands right now Obama is ahead in the count
Based on the fact that it is the people of Ohio who made the request...so she won in Ohio...easily...so she is right on that point...understand now?
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ok here is the interaction
"On The Early Show, co-anchor Harry Smith said to Clinton, "We talked to a lot of people in Ohio who said there really isn't that significant a difference between you two, and they'd like to see you both on the ticket."
"Well, that may, you know, be where this is headed," Clinton said. "But of course, we have to decide who's on the top of the ticket, and I think that the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me." "
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/04/politics/main3902987.shtml
what I dont follow is her ascertion that because of Ohio, that she should be the democratic candidate and obama as VP
dont follow that at all
as it stands right now Obama is ahead in the count
Based on the fact that it is the people of Ohio who made the request...so she won in Ohio...easily...so she is right on that point...understand now?
no
as it sits right now Obama is ahead
now if Hills was ahead I MIGHT understand her position
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ok here is the interaction
"On The Early Show, co-anchor Harry Smith said to Clinton, "We talked to a lot of people in Ohio who said there really isn't that significant a difference between you two, and they'd like to see you both on the ticket."
"Well, that may, you know, be where this is headed," Clinton said. "But of course, we have to decide who's on the top of the ticket, and I think that the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me." "
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/04/politics/main3902987.shtml
what I dont follow is her ascertion that because of Ohio, that she should be the democratic candidate and obama as VP
dont follow that at all
as it stands right now Obama is ahead in the count
Based on the fact that it is the people of Ohio who made the request...so she won in Ohio...easily...so she is right on that point...understand now?
no
as it sits right now Obama is ahead
now if Hills was ahead I MIGHT understand her position
ok listen
if the people of Ohio ask fuh ah combined ticket...and Hillary won easily in Ohio.....is it becoming clearer? She was saying the people of Ohio ask for it, and I won there easily so they really saying I should lead...it really simple guy.
It is not about who leading nationally...yuh lorse de point.
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ok we go have to agree to disagree
as I dont understand how ONE state (ohio) could say that she should be the candidate when the count of ALL the other states put Barack ahead, and all the states that barack won should claim the same?
dont understand her point at all.......
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take it in context..de reporter told her that they had talked to a lot of people in OHIO....anf those people said they want a combined ticket...not people anywhere else..people in OHIO>
Hillary said thats where it may be heading..and the people in OHIO have spoken and given her the MOST votes..she scored a comprehensive victory there, so the PEOPLE IN OHIO want her to lead.
I cyar see how yuh cyar understand dat???
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well I am not a subscriber to Spin, as I believe that is exactly what it is.
she is saying that because she won in Ohio, that the opinions of Ohio, only should be considered.
Barack could also counter that by saying that he has won in a majority of states so therefore he should be the candidate....in fact he is ahead so therefore her point to me is moot.....pure spin on her part to Try to influence people in her favour.
jmho
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how is spin fella? The woman say the people of Ohio....and that is what was reported.
and it easily translates to the people of Ohio want her to elad since most ah dem vote for her.
anyway ah getting ah headache
laters
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ok, is my fault that I am obviously not explaining my self properly
lets look at the text of the coneversation.
"On The Early Show, co-anchor Harry Smith said to Clinton, "We talked to a lot of people in Ohio who said there really isn't that significant a difference between you two, and they'd like to see you both on the ticket."
"Well, that may, you know, be where this is headed," Clinton said. "But of course, we have to decide who's on the top of the ticket, and I think that the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me." "
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/04/politics/main3902987.shtml
The reporter said, "they'd like to see you both on the ticket." , the people of Ohio did not say that they want her at the top of the ticket
she then said "we have to decide who's on the top of the ticket, and I think that the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me". That to me is spin as it is only reflective of ONE state and NOT the whole process to date, as Barack is ahead as we speak.
Granted in the future Hills may indeed take the overall lead in delegate count, which at THAT time her comment may be appropriate.
If this whole process was reliant only on the result of the ohio vote, then I would TOTALLY agree with her and you.
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nah ah cyar beleive yuh making that shit post...like yuh cyar understand simple concepts at all?
so de people of Ohio, who dem vote for? who got the most votes in Ohio?
why yuh think de Ohio peeps and dem vote for Hillary?
fella, last time:
Ohio voted overwhemingly for Hillary to WIN the democratic nomination!
That means dey want she to be de next president. The people have spoken! Thru voting..they choose Hillary over Obama fella...oh lorse man...
She got the plurality of the vote in Ohio...more people dey say hillary should run fuh pres as de democratic nominee.
So she is right.... the people of OHIO, not the people of America....say she should lead and Obama should be vice Pres according to the context
Phew!
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If she ahd said, the peopl of America have clearly stated they want me to lead then we have ah different story.
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Truetrini, yuh being an apologist for Hillary. Ah reading some explanations on here regarding Hillary's behaviour and you dismissing dem as out of order ... I disagree ... or at least more evenly ... I am of the view that interpretaions like e-man's re: Barack are correct.
Further, she need not have said 'ppl of America' because she is clearly using 'ppl of Ohio' to implicate/impute 'ppl of America'. It's politics. It's imagery. It's effect. She knows what stating it that way will result in.
Not much different from Bill saying Hillary needs to win Texas and Ohio to stay in the race. He didn't say win the nomination. He said stay in the race. Yuh think he say that jes fuh show?
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Obama is a baby that need coddling? How allyuh whinning so?
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Obama is a baby that need coddling? How allyuh whinning so?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Friday on de Forum ;)
buh Asylum, after ALL I write I eh even geh ah small mention :devil: :devil:
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Truetrini, yuh being an apologist for Hillary. Ah reading some explanations on here regarding Hillary's behaviour and you dismissing dem as out of order ... I disagree ... or at least more evenly ... I am of the view that interpretaions like e-man's re: Barack are correct.
Further, she need not have said 'ppl of America' because she is clearly using 'ppl of Ohio' to implicate/impute 'ppl of America'. It's politics. It's imagery. It's effect. She knows what stating it that way will result in.
Not much different from Bill saying Hillary needs to win Texas and Ohio to stay in the race. He didn't say win the nomination. He said stay in the race. Yuh think he say that jes fuh show?
why I being ah apologist for Hillsary? yuh too f**king bad mind. yuh eh like she so bing fair out de f**king question ent?
haul yuh ass, yuh is de biggest obama apologist. I voed for Obama n my state's primary, yuh say yuh cyar vote, but yuh inabilty tuh vote doh void yuh ability to talk shit.
as fuh wet coast's answers dey shitty and lacking clear comprehension of a simple statement..ah cyar help dat I not in special education.
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Obama is a baby that need coddling? How allyuh whinning so?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Friday on de Forum ;)
buh Asylum, after ALL I write I eh even geh ah small mention :devil: :devil:
ah know yuh woulda come so ... oh gorm man, :) your role is self-evident ... ah was attempting to deflect the ire that you already stir up ... mention of your name woulda been counterproductive ... especially after the call for you to post your opinions.
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Obama is a baby that need coddling? How allyuh whinning so?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Friday on de Forum ;)
buh Asylum, after ALL I write I eh even geh ah small mention :devil: :devil:
ah know yuh woulda come so ... oh gorm man, :) your role is self-evident ... ah was attempting to deflect the ire that you already stir up ... mention of your name woulda been counterproductive ... especially after the call for you to post your opinions.
now yuh is ah westcoast apologist.
he talk shit, showed lack ah understanding and yuh trying tuh make it look like he had a point. steups
she never impute anythig other than what was obvious, de people of ohio say she and obama should be on de same ticket it is obvious one ah dem have tuh lead, and de people ah ohio picked her to lead by virtue of her winning that state easily
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Obama is a baby that need coddling? How allyuh whinning so?
Err, no! Buh maybe objectivity needs nursing ... dcs, iz jes a discussion ...
fishs ask why is important, ah still have to read segments of this thread again buh dating back to when ah was rell young I recall Trinis being absorbed by US presidential elections.
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She is devious - by putting is out there that she might select Obama as a running mate. I feel that no way in hell does she actually want to have that happen, but by putting the idea in people's heads she may get the votes from people who really like Obama but feel he could use more experience. "As long as she makes him VP...."
If that works to get her the nomination don't look for her to follow through though.
Come on E-Man, be fair she did not just come up with that suggestion. A question was posed to her and she answer that it may very well come down to a shared ticket based on NO CLEAR winner.
She stuck to her guns and said she should be first on the ticket though.
You are making it look like she came up with a plot to steal votes.
lol
I'll return to the WC thing in a moment ... do you believe Hillary has/had no considered position on this but for the reporter raising the issue? Ah know yuh eh that naive. I agree with the parts in bold ... not because of my lack of fondness for Hillary but based on campaign reality. Neither candidate prefers the other as a running mate. It is the romanticisation of the public, the perceived equity of the idea and the convenience of relegating senator Obama to junior partner that sustains the notion.
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She is devious - by putting is out there that she might select Obama as a running mate. I feel that no way in hell does she actually want to have that happen, but by putting the idea in people's heads she may get the votes from people who really like Obama but feel he could use more experience. "As long as she makes him VP...."
If that works to get her the nomination don't look for her to follow through though.
Come on E-Man, be fair she did not just come up with that suggestion. A question was posed to her and she answer that it may very well come down to a shared ticket based on NO CLEAR winner.
She stuck to her guns and said she should be first on the ticket though.
You are making it look like she came up with a plot to steal votes.
lol
I'll return to the WC thing in a moment ... do you believe Hillary has/had no considered position on this but for the reporter raising the issue? Ah know yuh eh that naive. I agree with the parts in bold ... not because of my lack of fondness for Hillary but based on campaign reality. Neither candidate prefers the other as a running mate. It is the romanticisation of the public, the perceived equity of the idea and the convenience of relegating senator Obama to junior partner that sustains the notion.
Listen you is de spinner..maybe yuh should be on T&T cricket team???
so if she does not want him on the ticket why she wasting time thinking about it? steups.
I know de realities of the politicking, me eh care fornone of it. I jes raise a case for fairness, yuh not interested in dat den leh we end de talk nah
steups. Yuh acting like is Hillary alone fighting dirty, Obama eh easy either, he epoepl lying left right and center too and making foul comments also.
so stop playing de arse and trying to rationalize.
de woman ah write de questions that were posed to her, she answer de question very well and it is obvious allyuh reading too mcuh into it, because allyuh wearing glasses with obama in de lens, is all allyuh could see.
I starting tuh feel you and west coast is take turns in beng Obama Girl oui.
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Obama adviser resigns after comment
By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer 7 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - A Barack Obama adviser resigned Friday after calling rival Hillary Rodham Clinton "a monster."
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Samantha Power, an unpaid foreign policy adviser and Harvard professor, announced her resignation in a statement provided by the Obama campaign in which she expressed "deep regret."
"Last Monday, I made inexcusable remarks that are at marked variance from my oft-stated admiration for Senator Clinton and from the spirit, tenor, and purpose of the Obama campaign," she said. "And I extend my deepest apologies to Senator Clinton, Senator Obama and the remarkable team I have worked with over these long 14 months."
Power's interview Monday was published Friday in a Scottish newspaper, even though she tried to keep it from appearing in print.
"She is a monster, too ? that is off the record ? she is stooping to anything," The Scotsman quoted her as saying.
As U.S. news media picked up on the remark, Power issued a statement of apology and the campaign said Obama decried the characterization.
The Clinton campaign held a conference call with several of the former first lady's congressional supporters calling for Power to be fired.
"Senator Obama has called for change, and a new kind of politics," said New York Rep. Gregory Meeks. "This is the worst kind of politics."
Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson noted that those involved in the Clinton campaign had been removed when they spoke of Obama's teenage drug use or helped spread the false rumor that the Illinois senator is a Muslim.
He defended his own comparison of Obama to independent prosecutor Kenneth Starr, saying he'd been responding to "attacks" from the Obama campaign regarding Clinton's tax returns and real estate transactions. That, he said, was a clear reference to Whitewater and so it was appropriate to bring up Starr in that context.
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Obama will make a real good president...AFTER HILARY. He eh ready...but i think he destined for it. He need more time to better develop his policies and positions.
It's not that his policies are inferior to Hillary's - in fact, several analysts have opined that his policy package in many respects exceeds Mrs. Clinton's - the reality is that his campaign has not had to rely on detailed messaging with respect to policy issues thus far. Whereas, Hillary typically relies on policy wonkism to obscure issues and to create an air of wisdom. I can say with certainty that many a policy wonk candidate have failed in the past because voters are not attracted by mere abstractions. Candidates have to be careful not to come across as too studied and clueless in terms of pragmatism. However, Hillary uses it as sword and shield; carrot and stick. She's married to a policy geek and the media have come to accept this. Nonetheless, if we are honest, and if we reduce the body of Hillary's experience to it's critical mass, we'll see that it's the policy guru perception that gives her some sheen. Yeah, she understood the health care debate in the early 1990s but she was clueless then as to how to negotiate the legislative architecture in pragmatic terms to yield a positive result.
Barack had to selectively engage when to enter abstract policy discussions because they present just the slippery slope on which Hillary hoped to foil him. Recall she couldn't stop calling for debates to be added to the program?
Moreover, as some of the analysts refered to above have mentioned, individuals/voters that interested in policy perspectives can find them in a source that was previously out of the domain of presidential political campaigns 3, definitely 4, cycles ago: the Internet. As well, my view is keen policy observers are largely single-issue consumers seeking to identify whether candidate X is in favour of issue A or not. Much of the stuff is too much of a maze to interest the average voter. Most of it is insufficiently palatable to make good campaign sense to dwell on unless some mileage can be had by pushing a contrast/negative ad (Jesse Helm's white hands ad instilling fear regarding affirmative action and the mass loss of jobs by white males) ... touches a policy issue but does not rely on truth in policy position per se, just relies on fearmongering ... precisely what's going on now with the notion that Obama is policy-deficient and will destroy the US with respect to national security policymaking.
As TT points out, the issue is messaging. See my comments above regarding detailed messaging.
Consider the various cycles the election has gone through thus far:
1. Iowa-New Hampshire
2. South Carolina
3. Super Tuesday states
4. Texas-Ohio
and insert the various environments:
1. Race and Gender
2. Rezko
3. Traditional garb photos
4. The debates/sniping featuring the other candidates before they dropped out
5. Iraq
etc.
Where exactly would policy on that scale have fit in? ... Candidates were pushing mild contrasts and trying to come across as likeable and presidential.
I am amazed at the ease with which this particular distinguished Harvard Law School graduate has been dismissed as wanting, unprepared and deficient. Dahs why Hillary today could chat ignorance 'bout Ohio means the voters want her at the top of the ticket. Please, what did the 12 resounding losses signify? Who has won more of the popular vote thus far?
Seven weeks between now and Ohio and it will not be pretty. Demographically Ohio and Penn ent too far apart. Barack will have time to make a case but same speed Hillary will have nuff time to do what she does best.
Watch de ride! The focus will be to make a brodda snap.
Here are my comments from a couple days ago prior to West Coast's rendition. Cyah label me an apologist when I independently concluded roughly the same thing and challenged her assertion prior to his expression. Look, the bottom line is you're resorting to a literal interpretation of what she said/meant and clearly she couldn't have framed it any other way but the "ppl of Ohio" because she had not won a primary/caucus in weeks anywhere. I am 100% positive Hillary Clinton meant it to be construed as I have stated/interpreted it. Do you believe she wants to President of Ohio or President of the United States of America? She's attempting to cast the outcome of Ohio/Texas as a repudiation of Obama's prior victories and to rechannel the momentum. That's a fair way to proceed. Buh doh expect me to not recognise where she's attempting to seduce voters and the media even as I accept it's a plausible political tool to use.
The other kink with this big state/ small state frame is that all states bear equal standing in the much venerated federal system. There is a way the Obama campaign could redress Hillary's framing of the big state-small state.
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Obama is a baby that need coddling? How allyuh whinning so?
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Friday on de Forum ;)
buh Asylum, after ALL I write I eh even geh ah small mention :devil: :devil:
ah know yuh woulda come so ... oh gorm man, :) your role is self-evident ... ah was attempting to deflect the ire that you already stir up ... mention of your name woulda been counterproductive ... especially after the call for you to post your opinions.
orrite man
point taken then
my apologises
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Both of them are out on the ground fighting in the least populated state today, Wyoming, for a mere 12 delegates.
When is the last time that happened?
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Truetrini, yuh being an apologist for Hillary. Ah reading some explanations on here regarding Hillary's behaviour and you dismissing dem as out of order ... I disagree ... or at least more evenly ... I am of the view that interpretaions like e-man's re: Barack are correct.
Further, she need not have said 'ppl of America' because she is clearly using 'ppl of Ohio' to implicate/impute 'ppl of America'. It's politics. It's imagery. It's effect. She knows what stating it that way will result in.
Not much different from Bill saying Hillary needs to win Texas and Ohio to stay in the race. He didn't say win the nomination. He said stay in the race. Yuh think he say that jes fuh show?
why I being ah apologist for Hillsary? yuh too f**king bad mind. yuh eh like she so bing fair out de f**king question ent?
haul yuh ass, yuh is de biggest obama apologist. I voed for Obama n my state's primary, yuh say yuh cyar vote, but yuh inabilty tuh vote doh void yuh ability to talk shit.
as fuh wet coast's answers dey shitty and lacking clear comprehension of a simple statement..ah cyar help dat I not in special education.
That was your inference from my comments. I remember you were in a very self-congratulatory mood when yuh strike that chord, buh yuh didn't evaluate that conclusion in the context of my stated neutrality as an observer ... that is to say nothing as to the prerogatives/character of my participation in the process.
I express my observation as between both Obama and Clinton ... since we don't discuss McCain a whole lot here my observations on that sector doh come up in the same proportion. Whoever said that voting or not voting was/is the sine qua non of political participation?
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Both of them are out on the ground fighting in the least populated state today, Wyoming, for a mere 12 delegates.
When is the last time that happened?
it is a Fight to the bitter end
I am really infatuated by this whole process this time....never cared for any american election before....but THIS is FUN ;)
may the BEST person take the nomination................
GO OBAMA!!!!!!!! ;D
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That was your inference from my comments. I remember you were in a very self-congratulatory mood when yuh strike that chord, buh yuh didn't evaluate that conclusion in the context of my stated neutrality as an observer ... that is to say nothing as to the prerogatives/character of my participation in the process.
I express my observation as between both Obama and Clinton ... since we don't discuss McCain a whole lot here my observations on that sector doh come up in the same proportion. Whoever said that voting or not voting was/is the sine qua non of political participation?
Just like how yo make inferences from what Hillary said>>?? Steups, doh try dat nah. taken in context she answered correctly.
Like yuh forget what Bill said about her having to win Texas and Ohio? or did that slip your mind? Yuh could say she talking big about Ohio, but she won and had a right to do so, given de old takl about Obama on ah roll and winning 12 straight..steups yuh real biased boy.
And you lie like ah politican too, when was I in any congratulatory mood after YOU announced that I voted for Obama on this forum??? steups. like I said yuh should be ah bowler for T&T...is spin yuh like tuh spin, maybe I should send yuh anem tuh Hillary campaign headquarters they could use ah man like you on board de caravan.
And actually, voting is not sine qua non of political participation..and for your edification the correct term is condicio sine qua non. Not my fault yuh eh franchised here...steups.
But talking, voicing yuh opinion in this nation is not prohibited.
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Indeed. My edification is redundant ... doh use me as a vehicle to lehme know you know wha I talking bout ... heheh ... I assumed you would know or, in the alternative, brush up on yuh Latin ... ceteris paribus ;)
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Indeed. My edification is redundant ... doh use me as a vehicle to lehme know you know wha I talking bout ... heheh ... I assumed you would know or, in the alternative, brush up on yuh Latin ... ceteris paribus ;)
hahahahahaha
all things being equal yuh is ah Hillary hater.
Hillarius Haterus!
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where Obama adviser gorn....she used the wrong wording to say an obvious point.
I agree with the gist of her opinion.
addendum: wait Larry King only now covering the "monster" talks......get derid
earlier on John Roberts they were only alking about her other comments.....my bad.
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Indeed. My edification is redundant ... doh use me as a vehicle to lehme know you know wha I talking bout ... heheh ... I assumed you would know or, in the alternative, brush up on yuh Latin ... ceteris paribus ;)
hahahahahaha
all things being equal yuh is ah Hillary hater.
Hillarius Haterus!
Dahis a big tent dey. Maybe is an omnibus ... room fuh pluribus fuh sure :rotfl:
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McCain's softer side (http://youtube.com/watch?v=oTD7FP1mAYk) :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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McCain's softer side (http://youtube.com/watch?v=oTD7FP1mAYk) :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I think I prefer the "Dean Scream"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDwODbl3muE
Ah just waitng for the "Manning Bawl"
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Obama Wins Unusually Hard-Fought Wyoming Caucuses (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4414610&page=1)
Obama came away with 61 percent of the vote to Clinton's 38 percent.
Less than 9,000 Democrats participated in the caucuses in Wyoming, the nation's least populated state, which is home to only about 59,000 registered Democrats. :o
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did anyone catch the explanation that Bill was giving why it would be a good idea for both Hillary and Barack to be a team.
he was saying that Barack is pulling in certain type of voters and Hillary is doing the same with the others.......but isnt that true with all candidates....so I say it ent goin to happen.
anybody ever seen this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=JahdnOQ9XCA) :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :devil:
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dais de real clinton doin that ad?
real good physical comedy if so
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Hilary going to get mash up this week in Mississippi
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Everytime ah watch Obama and listen to his speeches, the way the crowds rallying around him, how the people embraces his wife Michelle etc. Memories of Martin Luther Malcom X and John F comes to mind. The way they had their crowds, the rallies and speeches....their beginning and end.
It kinda scary for me :-\ There are certain groups in the US that will NOT allow a Black man to become the President.
That is ah fact.
Everytime Hillary open her mouth, watergate comes to mind. Everytime Bill open he mouth, I have to ask myself who running for the Presidency ?
Everytime I see Cain....I have ah gut feeling he wanna dead in office.
steupse.
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Hilary going to get mash up this week in Mississippi
hear nuh, Hurrican Barack coming, so Hillary go have to strengthen she "Dyke" support :devil: :devil:
my apologise ahead of time... :-[
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Everytime ah watch Obama and listen to his speeches, the way the crowds rallying around him, how the people embraces his wife Michelle etc. Memories of Martin Luther Malcom X and John F comes to mind. The way they had their crowds, the rallies and speeches....their beginning and end.
It kinda scary for me :-\ There are certain groups in the US that will NOT allow a Black man to become the President.
That is ah fact.
Everytime Hillary open her mouth, watergate comes to mind. Everytime Bill open he mouth, I have to ask myself who running for the Presidency ?
Everytime I see Cain....I have ah gut feeling he wanna dead in office.
steupse.
if something happen to he, it go be riot in d place
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Everytime ah watch Obama and listen to his speeches, the way the crowds rallying around him, how the people embraces his wife Michelle etc. Memories of Martin Luther Malcom X and John F comes to mind. The way they had their crowds, the rallies and speeches....their beginning and end.
It kinda scary for me :-\ There are certain groups in the US that will NOT allow a Black man to become the President.
That is ah fact.
Everytime Hillary open her mouth, watergate comes to mind. Everytime Bill open he mouth, I have to ask myself who running for the Presidency ?
Everytime I see Cain....I have ah gut feeling he wanna dead in office.
steupse.
Can a black man win any major office in Canada?
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Everytime ah watch Obama and listen to his speeches, the way the crowds rallying around him, how the people embraces his wife Michelle etc. Memories of Martin Luther Malcom X and John F comes to mind. The way they had their crowds, the rallies and speeches....their beginning and end.
It kinda scary for me :-\ There are certain groups in the US that will NOT allow a Black man to become the President.
That is ah fact.
Everytime Hillary open her mouth, watergate comes to mind. Everytime Bill open he mouth, I have to ask myself who running for the Presidency ?
Everytime I see Cain....I have ah gut feeling he wanna dead in office.
steupse.
Can a black man win any major office in Canada?
i think lincoln alexander (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Alexander) did quite a bit for ontario.
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Everytime ah watch Obama and listen to his speeches, the way the crowds rallying around him, how the people embraces his wife Michelle etc. Memories of Martin Luther Malcom X and John F comes to mind. The way they had their crowds, the rallies and speeches....their beginning and end.
It kinda scary for me :-\ There are certain groups in the US that will NOT allow a Black man to become the President.
That is ah fact.
Everytime Hillary open her mouth, watergate comes to mind. Everytime Bill open he mouth, I have to ask myself who running for the Presidency ?
Everytime I see Cain....I have ah gut feeling he wanna dead in office.
steupse.
Can a black man win any major office in Canada?
i think lincoln alexander (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Alexander) did quite a bit for ontario.
amazing, i that all you coud come up with?
seriously. with all the talk about amercia, blacks here accomplish ah whole lot..dont you think?
I am yet to see comparable stats from another nation on earth.
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Everytime Hillary open her mouth, monicagate comes to mind. Everytime Bill open he mouth, I have to ask myself who running for the sexual relationship Presidency ?
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steupse.
Dais how I woulda word it. ;D ;D
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Everytime ah watch Obama and listen to his speeches, the way the crowds rallying around him, how the people embraces his wife Michelle etc. Memories of Martin Luther Malcom X and John F comes to mind. The way they had their crowds, the rallies and speeches....their beginning and end.
It kinda scary for me :-\ There are certain groups in the US that will NOT allow a Black man to become the President.
That is ah fact.
Everytime Hillary open her mouth, watergate comes to mind. Everytime Bill open he mouth, I have to ask myself who running for the Presidency ?
Everytime I see Cain....I have ah gut feeling he wanna dead in office.
steupse.
Can a black man win any major office in Canada?
i think lincoln alexander (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Alexander) did quite a bit for ontario.
amazing, i that all you coud come up with?
seriously. with all the talk about amercia, blacks here accomplish ah whole lot..dont you think?
I am yet to see comparable stats from another nation on earth.
yuh is retarded or what? check the demographics for canada.
i apologize. i tried to increase my abrasiveness but it doh feel right.
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check the demographics for canada.
dais like when you take de population percentages of different ethnic groups and compare to other countries and then figure out how many leaders come from each ethnic group.....?
dais demographics?
here are de ones from TnT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadians_of_Trinidad_and_Tobago_origin)
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check the demographics for canada.
dais like when you take de population percentages of different ethnic groups and compare to other countries and then figure out how many leaders come from each ethnic group.....?
dais demographics?
here are de ones from TnT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadians_of_Trinidad_and_Tobago_origin)
westcoast, some time back they had a show on vancouver saying that they had reached a point where whites were "officially" outnumbered by non-whites. is that the case? i remember walking in richmond and is only chinese yuh seeing.
alot of federal govt forms in canada stopped asking people their ethnic background a while back. at least it's not mandatory information.
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TT, it's not like 'black ppl' have been in Canada forever ... comparing immigrants to ...?
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westcoast, some time back they had a show on vancouver saying that they had reached a point where whites were "officially" outnumbered by non-whites. is that the case? i remember walking in richmond and is only chinese yuh seeing.
alot of federal govt forms in canada stopped asking people their ethnic background a while back. at least it's not mandatory information.
well about 40% of the poplation speaks chinese and in richmand there is a 50 % chinese population.
You also have to remember that there is a very large Indain population reducing the amount of people who have english as their First language further.
and in all of Canada, chinese is the third most spoken language. (http://chineseinvancouver.blogspot.com/2007/12/chinese-is-3rd-most-spoken-language-in.html)
TT, it's not like 'black ppl' have been in Canada forever ... comparing immigrants to ...?
they have been in Canada a long time, the first trickle started in the early 1600's, and obviously, the numbers have not been as high as in the USA.
in the earlies, Out in Nova Scotia is where most Blacks settled.
and an interesting fact that I learned today is that 40% are of Jamaican heritage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Canadian
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No doubt. I used to kick ball with one of the Nova Scotian crew. His history began and ended in Canada ... seemingly ... iz a yute TT would have fun with ... a black Mormon, attended BYU then went proselytising globally ... less than two decades after Mormons welcomed Blacks into the fold.
Anyway, the thrust of my point is that the comparative social history of Blacks in Canada versus the United States has something to do with the different "outcomes" ...
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TT, it's not like 'black ppl' have been in Canada forever ... comparing immigrants to ...?
Black people had been invisible in the USA until the civil rights era.
So comparatively speaking blavck people "arrived" in the USA only recently and have made meteoric gains
I is ah retarded! But ah get yuh kinickers in ah know doh hahahahahahaha
be as abrasive as you could afford.
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Everytime ah watch Obama and listen to his speeches, the way the crowds rallying around him, how the people embraces his wife Michelle etc. Memories of Martin Luther Malcom X and John F comes to mind. The way they had their crowds, the rallies and speeches....their beginning and end.
It kinda scary for me :-\ There are certain groups in the US that will NOT allow a Black man to become the President.
That is ah fact.
Everytime Hillary open her mouth, watergate comes to mind. Everytime Bill open he mouth, I have to ask myself who running for the Presidency ?
Everytime I see Cain....I have ah gut feeling he wanna dead in office.
steupse.
Can a black man win any major office in Canada?
Where did anywhere in meh post said anything to do with a black man winning any major office in Canada ? And if they do, so friggin what ?
All my statement is really saying is that I am "kinda" worried about the man. Jus because dey ress ah dem doh like ya country, dat doh mean you hadda ups me so nuh...
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Everytime Hillary open her mouth, monicagate comes to mind. Everytime Bill open he mouth, I have to ask myself who running for the sexual relationship Presidency ?
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steupse.
Dais how I woulda word it. ;D ;D
lawd... :rotfl: :rotfl:
fishs gosh...honsetly ah was thinking so, but ah didn't feel it necessary to type it ein..
ay allyuh ain't good nuh
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TT, it's not like 'black ppl' have been in Canada forever ... comparing immigrants to ...?
Black people had been invisible in the USA until the civil rights era.
So comparatively speaking blavck people "arrived" in the USA only recently and have made meteoric gains
so how you completely ignoring the First Reconstruction bold so?
TT ah real like dat Jedi mind trick yuh pull dey.....wave yuh hand like Obi-Wan and completely change the topic at hand.......niiiice try
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7f/Obiwanmindtrick.JPG/180px-Obiwanmindtrick.JPG)
"The topic has changed, these arent the droids you're looking for"
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TT, it's not like 'black ppl' have been in Canada forever ... comparing immigrants to ...?
Black people had been invisible in the USA until the civil rights era.
So comparatively speaking blavck people "arrived" in the USA only recently and have made meteoric gains
so how you completely ignoring the First Reconstruction bold so?
TT ah real like dat Jedi mind trick yuh pull dey.....wave yuh hand like Obi-Wan and completely change the topic at hand.......niiiice try
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7f/Obiwanmindtrick.JPG/180px-Obiwanmindtrick.JPG)
"The topic has changed, these arent the droids you're looking for"
Change topic? My abrasiveness must be rubbing meh few remaind=g brain cells and dem orf.
I responded to a post fella.
is like what de arse going on with you dese days?
De snow freezing yuh brains ah wha?
And the first reconstruction was undone when Rutherford B Hayes lacked the balls to maintain feeral troops in the south and allowed Jim Crow to erase major gains.
I eh forget nutten, but ah glad t see yuh brushing up on yuh knowld=ege of de great nation tuh de south.
of Canada...immediately ti=o the south...ah talking about de USA
ok?
lol
trinicana, doh get riled up, me eh know much about Canada except that YOU living dey and dat it cold no arse..I was jes asking...why yuh so defensive?
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Defen....look nuh TT
You should know me by now that me ain't hafta defend mehself to nobody in ah virtual world.
I only interested in dem chinee midget and dem in Hamilton.
Anyway....
Yeah ah living here and it cole no ass. INFACT it had ah nasty storm dis weekend gone.
But just not cutting away from dey topic involved, Obama, whether he becomes President or not, so as to Hillary, both ah dem done make history in ya country. And ah still saying dat it have people/groups out dere in your country go make mas before ah black man becomes President.
You cyah deny that fact.
look lemme go on youtube eh....me ain't able
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TT, it's not like 'black ppl' have been in Canada forever ... comparing immigrants to ...?
Black people had been invisible in the USA until the civil rights era.
So comparatively speaking blavck people "arrived" in the USA only recently and have made meteoric gains
so how you completely ignoring the First Reconstruction bold so?
TT ah real like dat Jedi mind trick yuh pull dey.....wave yuh hand like Obi-Wan and completely change the topic at hand.......niiiice try
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7f/Obiwanmindtrick.JPG/180px-Obiwanmindtrick.JPG)
"The topic has changed, these arent the droids you're looking for"
Dutty you is a boss! :devil:
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TT, my contention is yuh can't place aspects of American history into a vaccum (or even a vaccum cleaner and sweep it aside) ... yeah, ultimately you did tip your hat grudgingly to Dutty's mention of Reconstruction but let's face things head on ... we have to view the civil rights era and the experience/plight of Blacks in America as a continuum of post-bellum politics in America, not a departure from it. [And, truth be told, where America is today is also informed by the pre-Civil War period. That's the relevant part to this thread]
However we examine comparative reality - despite mention of Blacks in Canada in the colonial period - Canada and the US are on two differing platforms in this context ... Just as we can't effectively situate comparing stages of development vis-a-vis "developed" societies and societies "in development" without tipping our hats to factors such as mercantilism and imperialism, we have to consider how/whether Blacks did/could aggregate and articulate their interests in the Canadian polity from whatever point A historically to the present and other socio-historical factors. How we view the outcome(s) will depend on where we start, who is included and when we stop. Whatever we chose, we have to start comparing both nations from the same chosen point A to the same chosen end point.
I assume for present purposes the end point is 2008. I understand your assertion to be a call for us to recognise/accept the success of the American model in spite of its imperfection. That's fine. I can't see where - all things considered - the success/failure/involvement of Black Canadians in elected office results in distilling the realities as you framed them. The American experience is a very unique history as an exemplar of race relations. Either you expect too much of Canada or too little of America.
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TT, my contention is yuh can't place aspects of American history into a vaccum (or even a vaccum cleaner and sweep it aside) ... yeah, ultimately you did tip your hat grudgingly to Dutty's mention of Reconstruction but let's face things head on ... we have to view the civil rights era and the experience/plight of Blacks in America as a continuum of post-bellum politics in America, not a departure from it. [And, truth be told, where America is today is also informed by the pre-Civil War period. That's the relevant part to this thread]
not grudgingly at all! I have always viewed the Civil War as the second American Revolution. Blacks made tremendous gains there, in fact there were multiple blacks elected to office during the antebellum period, and the gains in education were staggering as many more blacks gained access to education that even whites...percentage wise. I was never intending to place any part or the whole for that matter into a vacuum. History is always best read forward and not backwards as it MUST be taken in context. You therefore have to view the civil rights movement as a NEW BEGINNING for blacks in America (another emancipation) as ALL their inital gaims were eroded when the Federal Government under Hayes began a process of neglect and allowed Jim Crow to return blacks to conditions they faced in slavery. Indeed, if the Feds had kept troops quartered in the South then we would not have had the need for a civil rights movement and Martin Luthor king would not have risen to prominence as a leader of Blacks at least not in the capacity of a civil rights leader. Therefore in essence, blacks in america despite a very brief period following the civil war, were essentially left in the same conditions they faced during slavery. Bear in mind also, the Southern states were not consulted and had NO desire to free the blacks far less give them equal footing in society. So my position that Blacks ONLY arrived in the 60's in america is VALID!
However we examine comparative reality - despite mention of Blacks in Canada in the colonial period - Canada and the US are on two differing platforms in this context ... Just as we can't effectively situate comparing stages of development vis-a-vis "developed" societies and societies "in development" without tipping our hats to factors such as mercantilism and imperialism, we have to consider how/whether Blacks did/could aggregate and articulate their interests in the Canadian polity from whatever point A historically to the present and other socio-historical factors. How we view the outcome(s) will depend on where we start, who is included and when we stop. Whatever we chose, we have to start comparing both nations from the same chosen point A to the same chosen end point.
ermmm dat is exactly what I did! I started comparing the accmplishments of blackc in both regions from the 60's! why blacks in Canada chose to "hold their tongues" on issues such as race relations and discrimination is a matter for YOU to research. Ask yourself why Blacks were restricted from immigrating to Canada in the period from 1906-1962? Also consider the plight of those blacks who did manage to migrate to what they viewed and referred to as the "promised land." Mostly uneducated people are easily manipulated and when you are not allowed to work as anything but a porter, how can you organize? Thse who fled racism in the USA found the same racism in Canada. There is talk about demographics, well of course Canada has MUCH fewer blacks, but that was helped considerably by Canada's racial ban on immigration by blacks to that country! steups
I assume for present purposes the end point is 2008. I understand your assertion to be a call for us to recognise/accept the success of the American model in spite of its imperfection. That's fine. I can't see where - all things considered - the success/failure/involvement of Black Canadians in elected office results in distilling the realities as you framed them. The American experience is a very unique history as an exemplar of race relations. Either you expect too much of Canada or too little of America.
Distilling realities is what you and the apologists do. I post facts, deal with them. I agree that the US experience is unique, why shouldn't it be? One can easily say the British experience is unique, remember the men who held slaves in the US considered themselves to be Englishmen! They removed that mantle ONLY for economic reasons. The Canadian experience is unique also, but NOT that disimilar than the experiences in the US in recent years....1960's to present. There were slaves in Canada, not as many, but not because Canada was some haven for blacks, becasue it was not conducive to slavery based on the weather....why have slaves to til soil when it laways frozen? lol
Anyway, the entire start to this came about because I was yanking Trinicana's chain...no horrors.
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My wife was telling me of a show she saw that featured a State that at one time had an all black government...anyone know what that state was again?
I did not see the show myself.........I think it also featured Actors and their forefathers......was posted in another thread.
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Yeah, of course there is credence in what you state. It would be better for the Canadians on the forum to detail the imperfections of the Canadian model. I have a feeling one or two of them may be motivated to address (at least) the 'holding of tongues' comment.
The numbers affect the debate because the outcome is informed by past immigration policy. If, your point is that the number of blacks in absolute terms isn't the most important factor then I agree. Yet, it's hard to balance 660,000 Canadian Blacks versus 40 million American Blacks on the comparative historical scale we've discussed above.
Assuming the 60s as the starting point isn't it still hard to come down so heavily on Blacks in Canada?
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Writing in 2005, Travato and Wu concluded:
• Visible minority neighborhoods are becoming more prevalent, to be sure, but the general trend is toward ethnic diversification of Canada’s urban neighborhoods. Regardless of income status, many US Blacks are confined to ghettos, but Canadian visible minorities appear to have much better residential opportunities.
They also point out that:
• A growing Canadian literature demonstrates that visible minority neighborhoods are mushrooming across Canada’s metropolitan areas. ... [T]hat the number of visible minority neighborhoods in Montréal, Toronto, and Vancouver increased from 6 in 1981 to 254 in 2001.
• Several prominent demographers suggest that the rapid migration of visible minorities into urban areas is going to increase racial and ethnic segregation within cities, and thus stimulate various social problems through patterns of exclusion and isolation
• The “white flight” phenomenon, however, is not a distinctive characteristic of ethno-demographic transition in Canadian cities.
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I highlight these observations to bolster the claim that we have two platforms that appear to be seductively similar but if we examine them more deeply we'll see that it's a Sesame Street 'one of these things is not like the other'.
Look at what today's demographers write about Canada and think back to when the parallel experiences occurred in America's history and you'll see that even starting at the 60s brings holes.
One may say this discussion started with the attainment of political office, but I suggest (with no abrasion :o) that the demographic features represented above are as inseparable as immigration policy and slavery/the Civil War/Reconstruction.
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everything you say is true and in recent times communities of immigrants have taken root to the point that the TDSB is implementing a "black history" curriculum in "Black-focused schools."
http://www.cynicsunlimited.com/2008/01/29/toronto-school-board-approves-black-focused-schools/
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ok ah goin an make an attempt to answer TT question
TT the answer to your question is Yes, one can win if he ran....canada has had e.g sikh immigrants (literally) from india win entire province as their party leaders, trini women elected to significant federal posts etc etc
now,,why have none of them ever run since they been here in 1600's onward has to do with numbers/population. Prior to the mass infusion of visible minorities due to the cdn immigration policies. Blacks in canada were a few thousand in tiny pockets like nova scotia and windsor
If a group's numbers arent significant, they have no economic power, thus you wont be heard
Unlike the u.s. where there were gains made and they had a population base significant enough to elect their own
Since you choose to ignore the 1st reconstruction and consider your position valid (despite the rollbacks) and pretend like yankee black people now come of age in the 60's...I usin that exact analogy too!! blacks in canada had become of age in the 60's...the underlying difference is...most of the blacks in the canadian 60's were immigrants, an immigrants first instinct is survival in a foreign land...running for office is not even an issue...that kind of thinking is left to the 2nd generation
And since yuh playin like Jedi Mind trick, I usin 'The force' to deviate the topic too....has the U.S. ever elected a woman to lead the country?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7f/Obiwanmindtrick.JPG/180px-Obiwanmindtrick.JPG)
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...has the U.S. ever elected a woman to lead the country?
Kim is meh Gurl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Campbell)
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Wait, dais a SUCKEYE Obiwan pull dey?
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ok ah goin an make an attempt to answer TT question
TT the answer to your question is Yes, one can win if he ran....canada has had e.g sikh immigrants (literally) from india win entire province as their party leaders, trini women elected to significant federal posts etc etc
now,,why have none of them ever run since they been here in 1600's onward has to do with numbers/population. Prior to the mass infusion of visible minorities due to the cdn immigration policies. Blacks in canada were a few thousand in tiny pockets like nova scotia and windsor
If a group's numbers arent significant, they have no economic power, thus you wont be heard
Unlike the u.s. where there were gains made and they had a population base significant enough to elect their own
Since you choose to ignore the 1st reconstruction and consider your position valid (despite the rollbacks) and pretend like yankee black people now come of age in the 60's...I usin that exact analogy too!! blacks in canada had become of age in the 60's...the underlying difference is...most of the blacks in the canadian 60's were immigrants, an immigrants first instinct is survival in a foreign land...running for office is not even an issue...that kind of thinking is left to the 2nd generation
And since yuh playin like Jedi Mind trick, I usin 'The force' to deviate the topic too....has the U.S. ever elected a woman to lead the country?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7f/Obiwanmindtrick.JPG/180px-Obiwanmindtrick.JPG)
As I said, I was not trying to make ah big deal out of the Canada comment, it was meant to take a little fun poke at Trinicana, but allyuh sensitive so I deal with allyuh.
I never discounted the reconstruction, indeed I called it the second American Revolution and a revolution it was in regards to the gains made by blacks in the US, what I did state was that all that was quickly undone.
Westcoast alludes to an all back leadership in a State, NEVER HAPPENED in the HX of the US, maybe a town or district, but ah whole state? Nah...what happened anyway was there were all black winners who never took office as they were not allowed to....!
Now about blacks in CaNADA yuh sya dey only reach dey in de 60's and I addressed that!
Cxanada had a restriction against black immigrating dey.
So yuh point eh valid at all, in fact it shows how racist the government of canada was against blacks...un par with de usa and worse in some instances.
dais all.
like is force yuh forcing...is not ah Jedi mind trick....fuh dat tuh work de people ah attempting tuh pull it on have tuh have ah mind!
Now dat is ah suck eye!
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So yuh point eh valid at all, in fact it shows how racist the government of canada was against blacks...un par with de usa and worse in some instances.
you ent lie day
we was watching a show last night about the Chinese Head Tax in Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_tax_(Canada))
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Westcoast alludes to an all back leadership in a State, NEVER HAPPENED in the HX of the US, maybe a town or district, but ah whole state? Nah...what happened anyway was there were all black winners who never took office as they were not allowed to....!
Now about blacks in CaNADA yuh sya dey only reach dey in de 60's and I addressed that!
Cxanada had a restriction against black immigrating dey.
So yuh point eh valid at all, in fact it shows how racist the government of canada was against blacks...un par with de usa and worse in some instances.
welll, ah go give concede dat on ah technicality....however (and I tryin to be as objective as possible here) the racist policies werent specifically directed against blacks...it was an exclusion policy to non whites..i.e. nobody coulda come..all de iranian, philipino , hindu, saudi etc etc that populate most big cities around here get brace by the immigration bouncer too
Only aussies europeans and brits need apply.
If ah not mistaken ah think WC might be alluding to is the fellahs that had the majority of the south carolina legislature after the civil war....upper or lower house? ah forget
either way dais ah moot point since Jim and he crows tell dem boy "take allyuh silk suit and ride out we state" and start to hang dem and call dem bad name
ANYWAY..to move like Darth Maul and get dis ting back on Track (http://www.google.ca/images?q=tbn:SjVqzbMDzFUJ:www.stargods.org/ClintonDarthMaul.jpg)
Hillary Clinton vs De Next fellah
Wha goin on dey??.....because I really stop payin attention in the papers, ah does get dat news here
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nah doh try dat!!! it was specifically against Blacks it said so directly! Now who trying jedi mind tricks eh?
Sub-section (c) of Section 38 of the Immigration Act, is pleased to Order and it is hereby Ordered as follows: For a period of one year from and after the date hereof the landing in Canada shall be and the same is prohibited of any immigrants belonging to the Negro race, which race is deemed unsuitable to the climate and requirements of Canada.
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it never ended a year after it went on until the early 1960's.
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Ok ah go eat mih crow with some paw paw based ketchup
but....
http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/QuebecHistory/readings/CanadianImmigrationPolicyLectureoutline.html
friggin rednecks...ah goin and ress ah lawsuit like de chinee sue for de head tax
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Ok ah go eat mih crow with some paw paw based ketchup
but....
http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/QuebecHistory/readings/CanadianImmigrationPolicyLectureoutline.html
friggin rednecks...ah goin and ress ah lawsuit like de chinee sue for de head tax
me eh feel is de rednecks and dem nah. Dem doh vote and get too involved..is de ons who does talk tuh yuh, smile in yuh fce ...is dem yuh have tuh watch.
Dutty at link is ah good one breds.
check dis;
Blacks: Health Regulations were used to keep them away - they were deemed "unsuited to Canada" by virtue of the climate of Canada; further, the Canadian Government hired a preacher in the period of 1908-1910 to visit the Creek-Negroes of Oklahoma and to discourage them from emigrating to the Canadian West; the Winnipeg immigration office went as far as paying a bonus to any immigration officer who rejected a black applicant. In 1911, a regulation to prohibit the entrance of Blacks into Canada was prepared by the Laurier Government. It was not issued because Laurier's government was defeated in the general elections of the same year.
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ah wonder what winneypeg fury have tuh say about dat! lol
shit I waiting on asylum seeker and he apologies..it seems like the Canadian policies were real close to the American ent?
The post 1945 immigration policy:
In 1947, Mackenzie King consigned in his diary that he had trouble gaining acceptance of a post-war immigration policy restricting entry of Asians into Canada because some of his cabinet colleagues thought that the policy should be harsher while others opposed it as discriminatory. This opposition was a clear sign that things were changing in Canada.
Another sign of change was a case raised in 1946 by the NSAACP (Nova Scotia Association for the Advancement of Coloured People). The Association raised money to help Viola Desmond fight segregation in Nova Scotia movie theatres. Desmond, a beautician from Halifax, had been arrested in New Glasgow when it was found she had sat downstairs in a movie theatre instead of the balcony were blacks were to sit. She was thrown in jail and fined for attempting to defraud the government of Nova Scotia of one cent of amusement tax (seats in the balcony were less expensive). For this offence, she was sentenced to 30 days in jail or a $20.00 fine. She paid the fine but appealed the decision. Eventually, the case was thrown out of Court on technicalities. However, there was such bad publicity across Canada around this case of discrimination that such laws were soon abandoned.
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Well imagine this, a black presidential candidate win the democratic primary in Missisippi. That is something else. and of course that hard foot old witch Geraldine Ferraro saying Obama would not be where he is if he were not black. That kind of shit I expect to hear from Republicans, not democrats.
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Well imagine this, a black presidential candidate win the democratic primary in Missisippi. That is something else. and of course that hard foot old witch Geraldine Ferraro saying Obama would not be where he is if he were not black. That kind of shit I expect to hear from Republicans, not democrats.
That is what ah talking about when ah say blacks make real gains in de US since de 60's...yuh feel dat was happening back in de 60;s?
remember Mississippi Burning?
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True that, but we must be cognizant of counter-progressive forces which undershadow this kind of achievement, and which are currently on the upsurge. Don't forget the other "side" is well prepared and very active. Some of these zealots have begun to mutter amongst themselves about a serious segregationist push. They even have well publicized continuity of operations plans and bunkers set up all over the United States. There is serious balkanization occuring in the US.
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True that, but we must be cognizant of counter-progressive forces which undershadow this kind of achievement, and which are currently on the upsurge. Don't forget the other "side" is well prepared and very active. Some of these zealots have begun to mutter amongst themselves about a serious segregationist push. They even have well publicized continuity of operations plans and bunkers set up all over the United States. There is serious balkanization occuring in the US.
wow! yuh really feel so breds? I feel de other side in a minority. I feel that their influence is waning and their numbers are skrinking. That is not to say that they are NOT dangerous and still influential in certain areas. There has always been a segregationist movement as many hold a particular powerful distrust of the Federal Government. Para_Military groups abound n cetain areas, stocked bunkers too , but yuh feel we have balkanization hoing on here?
I would have thought that Obama's victories in the south and now the deep south, is evidence that balkanization s NOT occuring!
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Ok ah go eat mih crow with some paw paw based ketchup
but....
http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/QuebecHistory/readings/CanadianImmigrationPolicyLectureoutline.html
friggin rednecks...ah goin and ress ah lawsuit like de chinee sue for de head tax
me eh feel is de rednecks and dem nah. Dem doh vote and get too involved..is de ons who does talk tuh yuh, smile in yuh fce ...is dem yuh have tuh watch.
Dutty at link is ah good one breds.
check dis;
Blacks: Health Regulations were used to keep them away - they were deemed "unsuited to Canada" by virtue of the climate of Canada; further, the Canadian Government hired a preacher in the period of 1908-1910 to visit the Creek-Negroes of Oklahoma and to discourage them from emigrating to the Canadian West; the Winnipeg immigration office went as far as paying a bonus to any immigration officer who rejected a black applicant. In 1911, a regulation to prohibit the entrance of Blacks into Canada was prepared by the Laurier Government. It was not issued because Laurier's government was defeated in the general elections of the same year.
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ah wonder what winneypeg fury have tuh say about dat! lol
shit I waiting on asylum seeker and he apologies..it seems like the Canadian policies were real close to the American ent?
ha yaa yai...ah toss dat link to underscore the fact that other groups had blatant immigration discrimination...everybody just had they own special section in the laws
You jedi mind trick it again,and say yuh want apology.....yuh want reparations too or wha?
ah vex ah cyah even continue de tete a tete ah hadda go pick up ppl in the airport on ah zoom 10:30 flt from POS
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nah it eh dat Dutty, is fuh Asylum seeker and to point out dat blacks, is dem we was talking about...faced de dsame as here in de states.
doh fret, otgher races get de same treatmet here, in fact worse...dey had interment camps fuh de Japs during WWII here in California. de chinee and dem get f**ked up when deu=y was building de railroad etc.
not tuh mention de Indains and dem...ooops native americans. etc. etc. etc.
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Well imagine this, a black presidential candidate win the democratic primary in Missisippi. That is something else. and of course that hard foot old witch Geraldine Ferraro saying Obama would not be where he is if he were not black. That kind of shit I expect to hear from Republicans, not democrats.
dese people ent easy....she resign yet
I feel this debacle in Florida and Michigan goin an buss up de democrat party.
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True that, but we must be cognizant of counter-progressive forces which undershadow this kind of achievement, and which are currently on the upsurge. Don't forget the other "side" is well prepared and very active. Some of these zealots have begun to mutter amongst themselves about a serious segregationist push. They even have well publicized continuity of operations plans and bunkers set up all over the United States. There is serious balkanization occuring in the US.
wow! yuh really feel so breds? I feel de other side in a minority. I feel that their influence is waning and their numbers are skrinking. That is not to say that they are NOT dangerous and still influential in certain areas. There has always been a segregationist movement as many hold a particular powerful distrust of the Federal Government. Para_Military groups abound n cetain areas, stocked bunkers too , but yuh feel we have balkanization hoing on here?
I would have thought that Obama's victories in the south and now the deep south, is evidence that balkanization s NOT occuring!
I think that immigration issues are adding to the general atmosphere of fear and uncertainty. In Canada a backlsh against multiculturalism is in full swing, fuelled by a rise in segregationists in Quebec. Visible minority groups in general have had gains eroded and painted with the same brush because of this. What I'm saying is that in every great victory is the seed of defeat. Americans must be cautious and be prepared for a bit of a backlash when/if Obama is elected.
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Well imagine this, a black presidential candidate win the democratic primary in Missisippi. That is something else. and of course that hard foot old witch Geraldine Ferraro saying Obama would not be where he is if he were not black. That kind of shit I expect to hear from Republicans, not democrats.
dese people ent easy....she resign yet
resign? resign from what WestCoast?
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Well imagine this, a black presidential candidate win the democratic primary in Missisippi. That is something else. and of course that hard foot old witch Geraldine Ferraro saying Obama would not be where he is if he were not black. That kind of shit I expect to hear from Republicans, not democrats.
dese people ent easy....she resign yet
resign? resign from what WestCoast?
I not paying attention.................
but isnt she part of Clinton's team
hole on I goin an read some more
OK sorry...she is only BACKING Hills....carry on then.....my bad
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Well imagine this, a black presidential candidate win the democratic primary in Missisippi. That is something else. and of course that hard foot old witch Geraldine Ferraro saying Obama would not be where he is if he were not black. That kind of shit I expect to hear from Republicans, not democrats.
dese people ent easy....she resign yet
Of course the old goat eh resign. And she not going to. They wheel the old girl out to make her pronouncements and inject race into the proceedings, as has been typical of Hillary of late. :clown: :clown: :clown:
She forget most African-Americans were actually not backing Obama at first. He won them over. That is something Alan Keyes or Jesse Jackson were unable to accomplish en masse. Not surprisingly, the old dragon is on Clinton's campaign team. ::)
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those comments are worst than what dat Radio Host, Don Imus, said............shame on her
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Well imagine this, a black presidential candidate win the democratic primary in Missisippi. That is something else. and of course that hard foot old witch Geraldine Ferraro saying Obama would not be where he is if he were not black. That kind of shit I expect to hear from Republicans, not democrats.
dese people ent easy....she resign yet
Of course the old goat eh resign. And she not going to. They wheel the old girl out to make her pronouncements and inject race into the proceedings, as has been typical of Hillary of late. :clown: :clown: :clown:
She forget most African-Americans were actually not backing Obama at first. He won them over. That is something Alan Keyes or Jesse Jackson were unable to accomplish en masse. Not surprisingly, the old dragon is on Clinton's campaign team. ::)
Zandolie doh let yuh haterade blind yuh nah..oh gorm man.
The truth is most black voters, myseld included have finally found a black leader, one of our choosing and not one pushed on us by the media. I never in my life felt that Jackson and Farrah Khan and keyes or Al Sharpton as my leader. besides they NEVER had the chance to win I feel so why waste a damn vote, better to choose any dem leader dat could advance my agenda.
keyes dat republican goat doh count at all anyway, why de hell yuh even mention he?
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TT, yuh went batting practice with Lara? Yuh footwork good, buh yuh strokes still require some finesse if yuh hadda place the ball effortlessly between silly-mid off and cover.
Dutty say:
ha yaa yai...ah toss dat link to underscore the fact that other groups had blatant immigration discrimination...everybody just had they own special section in the laws
You jedi mind trick it again,and say yuh want apology.....yuh want reparations too or wha?
That leaves me with less wuk because it was my intention to make that observation.
TT say:
shit I waiting on asylum seeker and he apologies..it seems like the Canadian policies were real close to the American ent?
nah it eh dat Dutty, is fuh Asylum seeker and to point out dat blacks, is dem we was talking about...faced de dsame as here in de states.
Negative. ;D. No apology forthcoming because there is a difference between a policy of exclusion (that actually supports my initial observation regarding a paucity of blacks) and policies scripted to a population already present within the society. What your point underscores or emphasizes is that Canadian society, similar to American society, featured racism historically. That was never at issue. In fact, it was an understood feature of comparing the electoral fortunes of Blacks in both societies and activism in the civil rights movement.
Recall, the limit of my comment was to question the basis on which you indicted Canadian blacks and their success/lack of industry/fortunes at securing electoral office.
Like any good umpire ah not only counting the balls in the over, ah also checking for no-balls.
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man, is 20 years ago that Jesse ran eh....20 years :o is like yesterday
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OBAMA WIN AGAIN ;D
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Yeah, take dat again Hillary ...
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Yeah, take dat again Hillary ...
:devil: that woman like a tick she ain't know when to drop out :devil:
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Zandolie doh let yuh haterade blind yuh nah..oh gorm man.
The truth is most black voters, myseld included have finally found a black leader, one of our choosing and not one pushed on us by the media. I never in my life felt that Jackson and Farrah Khan and keyes or Al Sharpton as my leader. besides they NEVER had the chance to win I feel so why waste a damn vote, better to choose any dem leader dat could advance my agenda.
keyes dat republican goat doh count at all anyway, why de hell yuh even mention he?
Nah man I doh practice hate atall atall, or look for enemies that don't exist But I believe one must be prepared to have a healthy understanding of polarization and know exactly how to handle it, on all sides. That is why I support Obama even though I know he is in the mold of a Bill Clinton- part Slick Willy, part Genuine. He is offering what the US needs right now, healing and a restoration of optimism, so a generation of persecution is avoided.
Obama will hopefully put the US on a course toward reflection and peace. I just stating that it will not be smooth sailing and that there are forces that WILL kick up a fuss and try to cause a mess. He has to be careful how he steps.
Keyes is an ass. He disown his daughter because she is a lesbian and left wing activist. But black people did not vote for him because of color but idealogy, like how they voting for Obama because of his idealogy.
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TT, yuh went batting practice with Lara? Yuh footwork good, buh yuh strokes still require some finesse if yuh hadda place the ball effortlessly between silly-mid off and cover.
Dutty say:
ha yaa yai...ah toss dat link to underscore the fact that other groups had blatant immigration discrimination...everybody just had they own special section in the laws
You jedi mind trick it again,and say yuh want apology.....yuh want reparations too or wha?
That leaves me with less wuk because it was my intention to make that observation.
TT say:
shit I waiting on asylum seeker and he apologies..it seems like the Canadian policies were real close to the American ent?
nah it eh dat Dutty, is fuh Asylum seeker and to point out dat blacks, is dem we was talking about...faced de dsame as here in de states.
Negative. ;D. No apology forthcoming because there is a difference between a policy of exclusion (that actually supports my initial observation regarding a paucity of blacks) and policies scripted to a population already present within the society. What your point underscores or emphasizes is that Canadian society, similar to American society, featured racism historically. That was never at issue. In fact, it was an understood feature of comparing the electoral fortunes of Blacks in both societies and activism in the civil rights movement.
Recall, the limit of my comment was to question the basis on which you indicted Canadian blacks and their success/lack of industry/fortunes at securing electoral office.
Like any good umpire ah not only counting the balls in the over, ah also checking for no-balls.
the truth is like you feeling in silly mid off?
steups. You like yuh playing baseball and everyone else playing cricket?
apologies not to me. but for de canadian policy, and yuh eh disappoint at all, yuh is not an umpire, but an apologist for de Canadian EMPIRE!
The fact that there were many blacks born and living in Canada seems to have evaded you. The fact that many blacks left canada for de USA becasue it was better de seems to have evaded yuh also.
The point I made about making the original comment about a black rising to political prominence in Canada also seems to have alluded you.
de way how tings escaping yuh, I starting tuh feel dat you is ronald reagan oui
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In Canada racism against minority citizens has not been as institutionalized as it has in the United States. However there was tremendous neglect of minority populations. Africville, Nova Scotia is but only one of the most public examples of this neglect. Several settlements near the Geogian Bay area in Central Ontario primarily populated by loyalist blacks were uprooted and land seized over subsequent generations by polite racism of refusing loans, poor municipal care etc. Very little is clear in the historical record, but what was clear is that while comparatively few laws prohibiting minorities from active participation in the mainstream existed, the law was often circumvented for just that purpose.
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TT, yuh went batting practice with Lara? Yuh footwork good, buh yuh strokes still require some finesse if yuh hadda place the ball effortlessly between silly-mid off and cover.
Dutty say:
ha yaa yai...ah toss dat link to underscore the fact that other groups had blatant immigration discrimination...everybody just had they own special section in the laws
You jedi mind trick it again,and say yuh want apology.....yuh want reparations too or wha?
That leaves me with less wuk because it was my intention to make that observation.
TT say:
shit I waiting on asylum seeker and he apologies..it seems like the Canadian policies were real close to the American ent?
nah it eh dat Dutty, is fuh Asylum seeker and to point out dat blacks, is dem we was talking about...faced de dsame as here in de states.
Negative. ;D. No apology forthcoming because there is a difference between a policy of exclusion (that actually supports my initial observation regarding a paucity of blacks) and policies scripted to a population already present within the society. What your point underscores or emphasizes is that Canadian society, similar to American society, featured racism historically. That was never at issue. In fact, it was an understood feature of comparing the electoral fortunes of Blacks in both societies and activism in the civil rights movement.
Recall, the limit of my comment was to question the basis on which you indicted Canadian blacks and their success/lack of industry/fortunes at securing electoral office.
Like any good umpire ah not only counting the balls in the over, ah also checking for no-balls.
the truth is like you feeling in silly mid off?
steups. You like yuh playing baseball and everyone else playing cricket?
apologies not to me. but for de canadian policy, and yuh eh disappoint at all, yuh is not an umpire, but an apologist for de Canadian EMPIRE!
The fact that there were many blacks born and living in Canada seems to have evaded you. The fact that many blacks left canada for de USA becasue it was better de seems to have evaded yuh also.
The point I made about making the original comment about a black rising to political prominence in Canada also seems to have alluded you.
de way how tings escaping yuh, I starting tuh feel dat you is ronald reagan oui
Yuh make less sense dey than d#1 Trinba ...
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you would say dat.
Sometimes in your head I feel de ball flat and de field round
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you would say dat.
Sometimes in your head I feel de ball flat and de field round
A philosopher would wonder whether winning would be made easier or more difficult. ;) It's still all about outcomes. :beermug:
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truetrini, i read your comments on blacks in canada. the metric you seem to be using for progress is attaining the highest position in a government - more generally, attaining a key post in a government.
a minor point is that a confederation like canada works a little differently than a republic like the usa. i personally find i interact alot more with the province than the federal govt. the federal-provincial wrangling is something citizens have almost no ability to change. plus, canada have a bicameral setup which is like trying to run a marathon with one lung (senate need a purge bad). so this is not an "all things being equal" comparison you seem to be making.
a major point is that your metric is conspicuously narrow. from your past posts, you seem to be a subscriber to the heroic (or "big people"'s) view of history - where it is people and not other forces (e.g. institutions) that chart the course for a nation. your metric accords with this view.
firstly, this premise is one i do not share. for instance, look at the institution of prisons in the usa and some of the staggering statistical disparities by race. i would go even further to say the trend is that governmental bureaucracies have reduced the power of "individuals in power" over time.
secondly, allowing the premise, there is evidence (particularly in bush's presidency) that a position is not necessarily what it seems. for instance, if you've read any details of the strictures that colin powell and condi rice were and have been put under while serving in their respective capacities (fiasco by WaPo thomas ricks), you will see how it is possible to marginalize key figures in the executive. some people can be brought in for the political capital they bring and be set up to fail right from the start.
perhaps i misunderstand the reason for your use of this metric. maybe you are looking at in terms of the prospects for people that are already in a good situation or perhaps a more general measure of social mobility. i am just wondering, if this question of a black PM for canada makes your point?
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Well imagine this, a black presidential candidate win the democratic primary in Missisippi. That is something else. and of course that hard foot old witch Geraldine Ferraro saying Obama would not be where he is if he were not black. That kind of shit I expect to hear from Republicans, not democrats.
That is what ah talking about when ah say blacks make real gains in de US since de 60's...yuh feel dat was happening back in de 60;s?
remember Mississippi Burning?
That is an accomplishment for sure, but if you break it down how the voting went it the racial lines were more pronounced than any other state.
91% of blacks voted for Obama
72% of white votes went to Clinton
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... and interestingly enough much is made of the 28% of the white vote Obama secured. Sure, the numbers remain to be settled but I wonder how much of the 28% fit into other Obama demos.
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Well imagine this, a black presidential candidate win the democratic primary in Missisippi. That is something else. and of course that hard foot old witch Geraldine Ferraro saying Obama would not be where he is if he were not black. That kind of shit I expect to hear from Republicans, not democrats.
That is what ah talking about when ah say blacks make real gains in de US since de 60's...yuh feel dat was happening back in de 60;s?
remember Mississippi Burning?
That is an accomplishment for sure, but if you break it down how the voting went it the racial lines were more pronounced than any other state.
91% of blacks voted for Obama
72% of white votes went to Clinton
I wonder how Hillary would like it if Obama's staff told the press that she would not be where she is today without a man, i.e. Bill. No doubt she would have a conniption. :devil:
Actually at the start of the election I was actually leaning toward Clinton. She let me down big time.
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I wonder how Hillary would like it if Obama's staff told the press that she would not be where she is today without a man, i.e. Bill. No doubt she would have a conniption. :devil:
Actually at the start of the election I was actually leaning toward Clinton. She let me down big time.
Personally I feel dais just how dey does play dat game down south...wit de amount ah money done spen and the stakes involved..it does HAVE to get dirty.......plus is real good fodder for 'The Daily Show'
When I see somebody release the pic of Obama wearing he sikh bandido outfit. ;)..i say well yes, guns is blazin
If allyuh remember some years back Bush campaigners 'leak' out that J. McCain father ah black child out of wedlock and that cost him de wukk...truth turns out de man adopt ah bangladeshi orphan GIRL...now if they could do dat to ah kind hearted war hero , anybody is cannon fodder oui
This year contest is classic popcorn & mauby entertainment.......canada political contests so bland in comparison its not even funny (not that I complaining) keep the jerry springer -esque fight for de big wukk down dey
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Personally I feel dais just how dey does play dat game down south...wit de amount ah money done spen and the stakes involved..it does HAVE to get dirty.......plus is real good fodder for 'The Daily Show'
When I see somebody release the pic of Obama wearing he sikh bandido outfit. ;)..i say well yes, guns is blazin
If allyuh remember some years back Bush campaigners 'leak' out that J. McCain father ah black child out of wedlock and that cost him de wukk...truth turns out de man adopt ah bangladeshi orphan GIRL...now if they could do dat to ah kind hearted war hero , anybody is cannon fodder oui
This year contest is classic popcorn & mauby entertainment.......canada political contests so bland in comparison its not even funny (not that I complaining) keep the jerry springer -esque fight for de big wukk down dey
Ent Dutty! A couple years ago Stephen Harper's people told him he had to be seen as more personable. They send the man all over the country trying to show he was down with the common man....Harper reach quite in people backyard BBQ where man wearing Hawiian shirt and sandals and he wearing big suit and tie, with the tie loosened around the neck to show he "casual" side.
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Harper reach quite in people backyard BBQ where man wearing Hawiian shirt and sandals and he wearing big suit and tie, with the tie loosened around the neck to show he "casual" side.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
dem canadian conservatives ent play day kinda dotish eh
Good bye Ms Ferraro...doh let de door HIT you on your arse as you leave ;D :devil:
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Ferraro does not surprise me. She has always been a clumsy politician. Her star faded minutes after it rose. One would have hoped she would approach the process as a party elder but she's so rooted in the old order she's beyond redemption.
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Geraldine Ferraro, once a beacon of hope for the possibility of a new era in American politics, has now disgraced herself for a second time. Today's 'clarifying' comments regarding last week's racist remarks were, if anything, even more offensive. They, and now Ms. Ferraro herself, symbolize a dark and ugly political era that belongs firmly in the past. And by allowing her to remain with her campaign in an official capacity, Hillary Clinton has brought the shadow of Ms. Ferraro's disgrace upon herself.
I remember the pleasure my then-wife and I felt when Rep. Ferraro was nominated as the Democratic Party's Vice Presidential candidate. As parents of a small girl who was already showing leadership traits, we -- and many others -- saw her as the harbinger of a better and more inclusive politics, the politics of the future.
What a disappointment yesterday, then, to read of Ms. Ferraro's ugly and bigoted comment that Barack Obama is "lucky" to be black, and that he would not be where he is today "if he were a white man" or "a woman." Make that ugly, bigoted -- and incorrect. There are no serious political observers of any political orientation who doubt Sen. Obama's political skills, including Republicans or the Clintons themselves.
Ms. Ferraro's comment may be offensive and wrong, but that doesn't mean it's stupid. On the contrary: It looks pretty shrewd. Her words play very well into white resentment of affirmative action, by harping on the notion that less-qualified black people are getting jobs that should go to hard-working and experienced white people.
Ferraro's words suggest a coded play for the bigot vote, with the "woman" reference thrown in to somehow link Obama with the oppression of women (a little something for the Erica Jong set.) It fits in nicely with the "accidental" darkening of Obama's skin in a Clinton campaign photo, or Sen. Clinton's recent statement that Sen. Obama isn't a Muslim - "as far as I know."
If that weren't bad enough, Geraldine Ferraro went back to the well today: "I really think they're attacking me because I'm white," she said. "How's that?"
How "that" is, Ms. Ferraro, is offensive and shameful. You have dishonored the country that has given you so much.
Still, are her statements the uncensored ravings of a bigot - or yet another example of the Clinton campaign playing the race card and then saying "who, me"? Comments like Ms. Ferraro's play into the fears and resentments of some lower-income white voters - the same voters who just so happen to be Sen. Clinton's strongest voting bloc.
Before Hillary's devoted followers weigh in, they should consider this: Geraldine Ferraro still has a position with the Clinton campaign. (See update, below.) Clinton's waffling rejection of Ferraro's comments stands in sharp contrast to Samantha Power's immediate resignation. (And the Powers comment was personal in nature, not a play to bigotry.)
Here's what Senator Clinton had to say today: "It is regrettable that any of our supporters on both sides, because we've both had that experience, say things that kind of veer off into the personal," she said. "We ought to keep this on the issues." Apparently she can't resist exploiting the victim role, even when an official in her campaign has transgressed the bounds of political decency.
And Ferraro isn't just some "supporter." She has an official role with the campaign as finance chair. She speaks as a Clinton surrogate. By allowing Ferraro to keep her role in the campaign, Sen. Clinton is giving Ferraro's remarks her tacit approval. She's confirming the worst fears of those who believe she will stoop at nothing to become President.
Do I believe that Sen. Clinton has a secret command center dedicated exclusively to transmitting coded messages of racial bigotry? Of course not - er, I mean, not as far as I know. Do I think she and her staff use coded appeals to bigotry when it's convenient? Put it this way: A pattern of "accidental" racial slurs has persisted throughout the campaign, despite all the controversy, and has yet to be explained. (And, as a commenter noted, Ferraro used the same line in 1988.)
It's still possible, given enough public pressure, that Ferraro will resign from the Clinton campaign. That would be appropriate. But given the waffling today, even that would now leave the suspicion that this was an example of a time-worn and dirty political tradition: Have a surrogate inject hateful ideas in the campaign, then let them take the fall for it once the ugly message has been set loose.
Either way, it's time for Geraldine Ferraro to retire from the public stage. At this point she's no longer just an embarrassment to the Clinton campaign. Her continued presence as a Democratic figure tarnishes the entire party. At a time when American politics needs to lift its sights toward higher purpose, she is a reminder of its ugly past - one that, sadly, is apparently still alive and well in some quarters.
Oh, and one last question: Is Geraldine Ferraro by any chance a superdelegate?
UPDATE: Geraldine's latest gem - "I will not be discriminated against because I'm white." And, as of this writing, she is still an official representative of the Clinton campaign.
UPDATE II: As I thought likely, the continued public pressure has finally led to Ferraro's resignation from the Clinton campaign (see third-to-last graf). They tried to weather it out, but thankfully the negative reaction was too great. That says good things about the party and the general public, if not the campaign itself. Ferraro's self-pitying resignation letter, and her promise to keep speaking out, cries out for repudiation from every single one of Clinton's supporters ...
Huffington Post excerpt ... the Clintons continue to unveil their inner layers ...
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the people on CNN, to me anyway as I like to read between the lines eh, were hinting that the result of her comments may prove beneficial to Clinton in the next state primary in Pennsylvania.
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Since you have ah degree in assholism, yuh should wirte to her and invite her to yuh twelve step program.
what yuh say Assylum Seeker?
I mean afterall. you gave us a brilliant dissertation on asses/backsides/bamsees etc. One would imagine that with your encyclopedic knowledge of the subject, you would do the altrustic thing and help Geraldine through this difficult time and lead her back unto the path of becoming a decent human being.
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truetrini, i read your comments on blacks in canada. the metric you seem to be using for progress is attaining the highest position in a government - more generally, attaining a key post in a government.
a minor point is that a confederation like canada works a little differently than a republic like the usa. i personally find i interact alot more with the province than the federal govt. the federal-provincial wrangling is something citizens have almost no ability to change. plus, canada have a bicameral setup which is like trying to run a marathon with one lung (senate need a purge bad). so this is not an "all things being equal" comparison you seem to be making.
In what ways is a confederation different from a Republic? Most Americans have very little direct interaction with the Federal gov't except for when April 15th rolls around. In fact, outside of what they encounter in the media I hardly doubt most Americans think much about the Federal government.
As for Canada having a bicameral setup....and the US doesn't?
Just curious as to why the distinctions...since there really appears to be no difference whatsoever.
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Since you have ah degree in assholism, yuh should wirte to her and invite her to yuh twelve step program.
what yuh say Assylum Seeker?
I mean afterall. you gave us a brilliant dissertation on asses/backsides/bamsees etc. One would imagine that with your encyclopedic knowledge of the subject, you would do the altrustic thing and help Geraldine through this difficult time and lead her back unto the path of becoming a decent human being.
Wheyyy man pelting real cuff in here boy, lol...
Anyways, since yuh crown Asylum wid big degree and ting...Prof. Ass-ylum maybe yuh could offer her ah course in Asshole Redemption 101?
No I doh want tuh enlist in de course...but ah could help yuh design it :rotfl:
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This discourse was always going to present a slippery slope. :)
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This discourse was always going to present a slippery slope. :)
so professor ASsYlum, tell me, do you feel if Hillary gets elected we will all get a bum deal?
what can she do to assuage our fears?
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No I doh want tuh enlist in de course...but ah could help yuh design it :rotfl:
I think you should reword that line as other asstute forumites might have lots of fun with that eh :devil: :devil:
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No I doh want tuh enlist in de course...but ah could help yuh design it :rotfl:
I think you should reword that line as other asstute forumites might have lots of fun with that eh :devil: :devil:
Nah...dat was purposely worded ass is.
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Is Assholalia a word? If it is, Assylum seeker takes the throne!
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Is Assholalia a word? If it is, Assylum seeker takes the throne!
Not de same throne dat woman plant she ass on fuh two years ah hope?
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Is Assholalia a word? If it is, Assylum seeker takes the throne!
Not de same throne dat woman plant she ass on fuh two years ah hope?
nah de one I does plant my ass on....and maybe the one Hillary does take ah shit in.
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I think the following joke encompasses all the recent posts relating to politics, religion and sexual scandals. Mods you could move it but .....
The Pastor's Ass
The pastor entered his donkey in a race and it won. The pastor was so pleased with the donkey that he entered it in the
race again, and it won again. The local paper read:
PASTOR'S ASS OUT FRONT
The Bishop was so upset with this kind of publicity that he ordered the pastor not to enter the donkey in another race. The next day, the local paper headline read:
BISHOP SCRATCHES PASTOR'S ASS
This was too much for the bishop, so he ordered the pastor to get rid of the donkey. The pastor decided to give it to a nun in a
nearby convent. The local paper, hearing of the news, posted the following headline the next day:
NUN HAS BEST ASS IN TOWN
The bishop fainted. He informed the nun that she would have to get rid of the donkey, so she sold it to a farmer for $10. The next day the paper read:
NUN SELLS ASS FOR $10
This was too much for the bishop, so he ordered the nun to buy back the donkey and lead it to the plains where it could run wild. The next day the headlines read:
NUN ANNOUNCES HER ASS IS WILD AND FREE.
The bishop was buried the next day.
The moral of the story is . . . being concerned about public opinion can bring you much grief and misery . . even shorten your
life.
Have a nice day
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good one Nuts Man
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I see the slope has slipped further since my preliminary remarks. ;)
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I see the slope has slipped further since my preliminary remarks. ;)
ermmm is the slope slippng or has it become more slippery?
Must be ah case ah diarrhea?
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Finally, you've caught on.
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Finally, you've caught on.
try lomotil...it go help yuh.
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My friend, your advice goes against the gradient ... ;) I am observing the condition, not suffering from it. ;D
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My friend, your advice goes against the gradient ... ;) I am observing the condition, not suffering from it. ;D
so wait nah, yuh is de proffesor of ass and cyar recognize yuh own ass from yuh elbow...or yuh using mirrors?
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I am not responsible for your shitty conclusions. Nevertheless, I admit to challenging them with relish.
Somewhere I read 'iron sharpeneth iron' ...
Let's try not to transport our metaphors too liberally.
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So they going and redo Florida and Michigan.
Is Hilary still going to have the same type of lead in FL or is it going to split....and Michigan real close to Illinois so that is Obama territory?
How much each state will carry and it have any estimates on who leading in the Super Delegate count? (pledged, unpledged, partisan blah blah)
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So they going and redo Florida and Michigan.
Is Hilary still going to have the same type of lead in FL or is it going to split....and Michigan real close to Illinois so that is Obama territory?
How much each state will carry and it have any estimates on who leading in the Super Delegate count? (pledged, unpledged, partisan blah blah)
this report says it's unlikely http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5igrYLRrHG3P6lIbs2E7pSH0bxhvgD8VCO6200
Asked if the plan will be implemented, Thurman said, "I have a feeling that this is probably closer to not, than yes."
but either way - the way the democrat primaries work the delegates will be split. It won't really help Hillary even if she wins those states. She can't pick up enough to get past Obama.
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I am not responsible for your shitty conclusions. Nevertheless, I admit to challenging them with relish.
Somewhere I read 'iron sharpeneth iron' ...
Let's try not to transport our metaphors too liberally.
so yuh like shit?
Ass and now shit. yuh on a roll...does that mean yuh round like pebbles...tuh roll nah...let me see...ah hah yuh is goat shit!
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This discourse was always going to present a slippery slope. :)
so professor ASsYlum, tell me, do you feel if Hillary gets elected we will all get a bum deal?
what can she do to assuage our fears?
Incidentally, as an extension of the topic introduced yesterday, today's discourse was scheduled to feature a treatise on bum bums forma concave and convex. Yesterday, as you likely recall, featured bamsees, backsides and asses (as distinct from 'arses' - a subject for another day, perhaps tomorrow)
However, I hadn't anticipated the discovery of two new varieties this morning. Well - truth be told - one ass had reared it's head before. Stupidly, we thought it was extinct or at least endangered and no longer harmful to the community at large.
Nevertheless, this is consistent with other findings ... asses are irrepressible.
::) :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Forgot to ask ... what's you and your ass,istant's bottom line? Useful to know as we assess the collaborative effort and asinine fascination.
You guys are giving science a bad name ... for which there is no redemption ... whether by intelligent design or not.
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(http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/thumbnail2/1947_eating_popcorn_and_drinking_beer.gif)
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truetrini, i read your comments on blacks in canada. the metric you seem to be using for progress is attaining the highest position in a government - more generally, attaining a key post in a government.
a minor point is that a confederation like canada works a little differently than a republic like the usa. i personally find i interact alot more with the province than the federal govt. the federal-provincial wrangling is something citizens have almost no ability to change. plus, canada have a bicameral setup which is like trying to run a marathon with one lung (senate need a purge bad). so this is not an "all things being equal" comparison you seem to be making.
In what ways is a confederation different from a Republic? Most Americans have very little direct interaction with the Federal gov't except for when April 15th rolls around. In fact, outside of what they encounter in the media I hardly doubt most Americans think much about the Federal government.
the politics is a little different. one of the primary differences is that a confederation is premised on the unanimity of its membership - in that way it is a weaker federal structure than a republic. returning to the original situation, a black PM is entirely possible - if that PM is from quebec and a federalist.
As for Canada having a bicameral setup....and the US doesn't?
the 2nd part of the sentence is what i was getting at. the senate in canada is a much weaker body in a comparison with the usa. the point here is that the comparison that is implied is not a good one. perhaps the chances of a black premier vis a vis a black governor is a better comparison. now that spitzer gone, the next governor of new york (paterson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Paterson)) is black AND legally blind. is that the new measure of which country is the most progressive?
this speaks to the major point i am trying to make concerning the impact of individuals within a structure. the hero-centric perspective is useful in political and corporate circles - but be mindful it's NOT because of its accuracy.
Just curious as to why the distinctions...since there really appears to be no difference whatsoever.
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Somebody please make sure and change Geraldine Ferraro diapers. Like it squeezing she belly too tight.
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truetrini, i read your comments on blacks in canada. the metric you seem to be using for progress is attaining the highest position in a government - more generally, attaining a key post in a government.
a minor point is that a confederation like canada works a little differently than a republic like the usa. i personally find i interact alot more with the province than the federal govt. the federal-provincial wrangling is something citizens have almost no ability to change. plus, canada have a bicameral setup which is like trying to run a marathon with one lung (senate need a purge bad). so this is not an "all things being equal" comparison you seem to be making.
In what ways is a confederation different from a Republic? Most Americans have very little direct interaction with the Federal gov't except for when April 15th rolls around. In fact, outside of what they encounter in the media I hardly doubt most Americans think much about the Federal government.
the politics is a little different. one of the primary differences is that a confederation is premised on the unanimity of its membership - in that way it is a weaker federal structure than a republic. returning to the original situation, a black PM is entirely possible - if that PM is from quebec and a federalist.
As for Canada having a bicameral setup....and the US doesn't?
the 2nd part of the sentence is what i was getting at. the senate in canada is a much weaker body in a comparison with the usa. the point here is that the comparison that is implied is not a good one. perhaps the chances of a black premier vis a vis a black governor is a better comparison. now that spitzer gone, the next governor of new york (paterson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Paterson)) is black AND legally blind. is that the new measure of which country is the most progressive?
this speaks to the major point i am trying to make concerning the impact of individuals within a structure. the hero-centric perspective is useful in political and corporate circles - but be mindful it's NOT because of its accuracy.
Just curious as to why the distinctions...since there really appears to be no difference whatsoever.
Wheeyyy you real loss mih...seeing that ah wasn't in de nitty gritty of the run up to my post. I still see no factual differences between the situation vis-a-vis the interactions of the citizenry with the respective federal government. I also still maintain that there is no factual differences between the respective parliamentary/congressional structures.
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Forgot to ask ... what's you and your ass,istant's bottom line? Useful to know as we assess the collaborative effort and asinine fascination.
You guys are giving science a bad name ... for which there is no redemption ... whether by intelligent design or not.
I feel that you as the master of Assholes would have been able to detemine that you and yuh reflection are one and the same ass. Sad to hear yuh feel that yuh discovered two new asses simply by staring at yuh reflection.
Fella, 100,000 sperm and YOU were the fastest?
me and my ass,istant's bottom line is trying to determine if YOU were born an asshole and the rest grew later.
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That Molotov cocktail yuh playing wid dey come wid instructions?
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That Molotov cocktail yuh playing wid dey come wid instructions?
jes finishing what yuh start..or yuh memory dat bad?
oh and if dat is ah threat ah real frighten now.....!
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I don't believe in threats that need to be deciphered.
Actually, I don't believe in threats.
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I don't believe in threats that need to be deciphered.
I see. bad man ting. Not me and dat nuh, I fraid, ah done tell yuh dat already, I too old and fat fuh dem kinda tings now..I had one more B-day las saturday and I take real stock..I too old.
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And fun was had by some ... so make a political post now nuh, so ah could bash Hillie lil more ... iz about time. After that yuh could re-engage your other constituents (recall I didn't accept allyuh crown :) ... I doh believe in monarchy) ... ;D
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And fun was had by some ... so make a political post now nuh, so ah could bash Hillie lil more ... iz about time. After that yuh could re-engage your other constituents (recall I didn't accept allyuh crown :) ... I doh believe in monarchy) ... ;D
and I eh want your crown...oops throne either.
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The Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Jr. ... (incidentally, this is not a religious post) ...providing wuk for Obama's campaign:
The Democratic candidates spent much of the week trying to tamp down controversy provoked by their supporters. Earlier in the week, it was Geraldine Ferraro, whose racially charged remarks were denounced Wednesday night by Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton after Mrs. Ferraro announced she was resigning from her honorary position on Mrs. Clinton’s campaign finance committee.
On Thursday the attention shifted to the camp of Senator Barack Obama, after a report was shown on “Good Morning America” on ABC, with clips of sermons by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., senior pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago.
Reverend Wright has been Mr. Obama’s spiritual mentor, and bloggers and television commentators spent the day picking over his stinging social and political critiques in the pulpit.
It was not the first time that questions have been raised about Reverend Wright and his criticisms of the United States government (he has referred to it as the “U.S. of KKK A.,” for instance). But, despite Mr. Obama’s past attempts to distance himself from the harshest language, critics continued to question whether Mr. Wright’s statements reflect Mr. Obama’s beliefs.
Youtube video of Wright's comments are somewhere out there ...
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But, despite Mr. Obama’s past attempts to distance himself from the harshest language, critics continued to question whether Mr. Wright’s statements reflect Mr. Obama’s beliefs.
The wife comments about first time being proud to be american will not help either.
But thing is they going and deny they have any inkling of that disenfranchised sentiment? Dunno how believable or should I say true that is. And it relevant since people go want to know what he about and how it affects him or his decision making. I eh see nutten wrong with it but is how he relate (translate) it to the populace in a way they understand and doh feel scurred. No way no how they avoiding any race or gender questions before November...it just have to be addressed at some point.....done well it can be put aside.
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I wonder if this will be a catalyst for serious change in how people will view others of a different backgrounds.
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truetrini, i read your comments on blacks in canada. the metric you seem to be using for progress is attaining the highest position in a government - more generally, attaining a key post in a government.
a minor point is that a confederation like canada works a little differently than a republic like the usa. i personally find i interact alot more with the province than the federal govt. the federal-provincial wrangling is something citizens have almost no ability to change. plus, canada have a bicameral setup which is like trying to run a marathon with one lung (senate need a purge bad). so this is not an "all things being equal" comparison you seem to be making.
In what ways is a confederation different from a Republic? Most Americans have very little direct interaction with the Federal gov't except for when April 15th rolls around. In fact, outside of what they encounter in the media I hardly doubt most Americans think much about the Federal government.
the politics is a little different. one of the primary differences is that a confederation is premised on the unanimity of its membership - in that way it is a weaker federal structure than a republic. returning to the original situation, a black PM is entirely possible - if that PM is from quebec and a federalist.
As for Canada having a bicameral setup....and the US doesn't?
the 2nd part of the sentence is what i was getting at. the senate in canada is a much weaker body in a comparison with the usa. the point here is that the comparison that is implied is not a good one. perhaps the chances of a black premier vis a vis a black governor is a better comparison. now that spitzer gone, the next governor of new york (paterson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Paterson)) is black AND legally blind. is that the new measure of which country is the most progressive?
this speaks to the major point i am trying to make concerning the impact of individuals within a structure. the hero-centric perspective is useful in political and corporate circles - but be mindful it's NOT because of its accuracy.
Just curious as to why the distinctions...since there really appears to be no difference whatsoever.
Wheeyyy you real loss mih...seeing that ah wasn't in de nitty gritty of the run up to my post. I still see no factual differences between the situation vis-a-vis the interactions of the citizenry with the respective federal government. I also still maintain that there is no factual differences between the respective parliamentary/congressional structures.
with regards to interaction, the division of responsibilities is different between federal-province levels of govt in canada than in federal-state levels of govt in usa. for example, people go to their provinces for energy, education and alot of health matters. that is the province's mandate not the federal level's. e.g. there is no "department of energy" or "department of education" at the federal level in canada like it has in the usa. my health card is issued by the province. these differences mean a different interaction between the citizens and the different levels of government. you can compare the cabinets between countries. there is alot of overlap, but like i said before, there are some differences and the result is more regional focus which translates into a weaker federal structure.
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with regards to interaction, the division of responsibilities is different between federal-province levels of govt in canada than in federal-state levels of govt in usa. for example, people go to their provinces for energy, education and alot of health matters. that is the province's mandate not the federal level's. e.g. there is no "department of energy" or "department of education" at the federal level in canada like it has in the usa. my health card is issued by the province. these differences mean a different interaction between the citizens and the different levels of government. you can compare the cabinets between countries. there is alot of overlap, but like i said before, there are some differences and the result is more regional focus which translates into a weaker federal structure.
Well it's obvious that you've never lived in the US...at least for any extended period of time. If you did, either as a resident alien or a citizen you'd realize just how far off your observations about the level of interaction between the citizen and the federal bureaucracy is. The respective state agencies are whom the citizenry interacts with...actually in many instances it's the municipal agencies. The federal agencies are there chiefly for implementing legislative policy, to provide administrative structure, and to liaise with the state agency on the respective matters. They provide funding for the state agencies, to whom it is then left to disburse said funds to the municipalities and to run the programs. The state and local agencies are then left to tailor policies according to their constituencies...they can add to policies but can't subtract from them. For instance, the Dep't of Housing and Urban Development may have FHA loans for first-time homebuyers, but carved out of the monies distributed to the state and localities, additional incentives might be provided. Hence, for example, a resident of the District of Columbia may receive an additional $5000 tax credit, on top of special loans for closing costs towards a home, that aren't available to a MD or VA resident.
I could go on and on but this is just one example, Drivers Licensing, Social Services, Transportation (like Ministry of Works in TnT)...all have their federal counterparts (Drivers Licensing falling under the purview of NHTSA), but these are administered on the local levels because each locality evolved independently of each other and has it's own set of rules. The Federal Gov't isn't nearly as involved in the daily lives of the vast majority of Americans, nor is there much interaction with them...it is indeed a very loose Federal Republic.
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as loose as some people bowels.
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with regards to interaction, the division of responsibilities is different between federal-province levels of govt in canada than in federal-state levels of govt in usa. for example, people go to their provinces for energy, education and alot of health matters. that is the province's mandate not the federal level's. e.g. there is no "department of energy" or "department of education" at the federal level in canada like it has in the usa. my health card is issued by the province. these differences mean a different interaction between the citizens and the different levels of government. you can compare the cabinets between countries. there is alot of overlap, but like i said before, there are some differences and the result is more regional focus which translates into a weaker federal structure.
Well it's obvious that you've never lived in the US...at least for any extended period of time. If you did, either as a resident alien or a citizen you'd realize just how far off your observations about the level of interaction between the citizen and the federal bureaucracy is. The respective state agencies are whom the citizenry interacts with...actually in many instances it's the municipal agencies. The federal agencies are there chiefly for implementing legislative policy, to provide administrative structure, and to liaise with the state agency on the respective matters. They provide funding for the state agencies, to whom it is then left to disburse said funds to the municipalities and to run the programs. The state and local agencies are then left to tailor policies according to their constituencies...they can add to policies but can't subtract from them. For instance, the Dep't of Housing and Urban Development may have FHA loans for first-time homebuyers, but carved out of the monies distributed to the state and localities, additional incentives might be provided. Hence, for example, a resident of the District of Columbia may receive an additional $5000 tax credit, on top of special loans for closing costs towards a home, that aren't available to a MD or VA resident.
I could go on and on but this is just one example, Drivers Licensing, Social Services, Transportation (like Ministry of Works in TnT)...all have their federal counterparts (Drivers Licensing falling under the purview of NHTSA), but these are administered on the local levels because each locality evolved independently of each other and has it's own set of rules. The Federal Gov't isn't nearly as involved in the daily lives of the vast majority of Americans, nor is there much interaction with them...it is indeed a very loose Federal Republic.
i gorn look for the canadian cia and pentagon.
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i gorn look for the canadian cia and pentagon.
When yuh done ask the average American when last he's been in contact with either.
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i gorn look for the canadian cia and pentagon.
When yuh done ask the average American when last he's been in contact with either.
yuh win the naiveity award with that one. yuh ever hear of carnivor?
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i gorn look for the canadian cia and pentagon.
When yuh done ask the average American when last he's been in contact with either.
yuh win the naiveity award with that one. yuh ever hear of carnivor?
Yuh eh see you's ah blasted joke? lol
anyways...no, never heard of 'carnivor'.
As for Carnivore...you seriously trying to make the that case federal wiretapping is the equivalent of "interaction" as we've been discussing in this thread? Not that you'd win, since it doesn't prove any degree of interaction between private citizens and the federal government. If I spying on you ah certainly can't consider that as us interacting...But if it that important to you to win pardna, take win.
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i gorn look for the canadian cia and pentagon.
When yuh done ask the average American when last he's been in contact with either.
yuh win the naiveity award with that one. yuh ever hear of carnivor?
Yuh eh see you's ah blasted joke? lol
anyways...no, never heard of 'carnivor'.
As for Carnivore...you seriously trying to make the that case federal wiretapping is the equivalent of "interaction" as we've been discussing in this thread? Not that you'd win, since it doesn't prove any degree of interaction between private citizens and the federal government. If I spying on you ah certainly can't consider that as us interacting...But if it that important to you to win pardna, take win.
how long you live in canada again?
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how long you live in canada again?
Who the hell say anything about Canada?
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Bill refers to the reaction to his South Carolina comments as "bizarre" ... I would say poker face and all, however, this far down the road I recognize his expressions for what they are ...
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No new primary for Florida Democrats (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/17/florida.primary.decision/)
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No new primary for Florida Democrats (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/17/florida.primary.decision/)
I find overall this making the democratic party look disorganized and impotent to solve a relatively easy problem. Something that should have been avoided in the first place. How embarassing is it that you have to sanction two states? McCain should be gearing up to mash them up on this when they finally choose somebody....he hadda time it right.
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Mich. primary plan dropped as legislature adjourns (http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN2043513820080320)
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The State Department says security on Barack Obama's passport file has been breached, campaign officials tell CNN.
Anybody hear bout this ?
Is dey same damn thing I posted here what day it was.....
Memories of Martin and Malcom :-\
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The State Department says security on Barack Obama's passport file has been breached, campaign officials tell CNN.
Anybody hear bout this ?
Is dey same damn thing I posted here what day it was.....
Memories of Martin and Malcom :-\
2 fired over Obama passport file breach
Third employee at State disciplined over accessing candidate’s records (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23736254/)
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thanks e :beermug:
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(http://www.caglecartoons.com/images/preview/%7B9391768a-7e60-48e9-b7f7-5680a8cebc53%7D.gif)
;D
(http://www.caglecartoons.com/images/preview/%7Bfa7a3393-a307-494c-978f-3d2147ea7c07%7D.gif)
:rotfl: :rotfl:
here are some more of Hillary (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20202692/displaymode/1107/s/2/framenumber/1/)
(http://www.caglecartoons.com/images/preview/%7B58077fee-c747-4678-a6c0-c2db270ef051%7D.gif)
;) ;)
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I like this one about when Kennedy came out for Obama:
(http://www.nypost.com/delonas/2008/01/01292008.jpg)
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All yuh hear dey find a pic of Obama Pastor shaking Bill hand?
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check this animated cartoon ;D ;D
http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/opinion/walthandelsman/blog/2008/03/animation_its_3_am.html
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All yuh hear dey find a pic of Obama Pastor shaking Bill hand?
yeh obama staff give it to d papers
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All yuh hear dey find a pic of Obama Pastor shaking Bill hand?
yeh obama staff give it to d papers
check it here
(http://images.politico.com/global/clintonwright2.jpg)
go down this page for the article
http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/page/2/
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so waht shaking de man hand have tuh do with nything?
Is not like Bill was a member ah he church fuh 20 years. It eh like Bill sit down in he church and nod when he was making he inflammatory staements.
Is not like he Baptise Chelsea after Bill hear him make dem statements.
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so waht shaking de man hand have tuh do with nything?
Is not like Bill was a member ah he church fuh 20 years. It eh like Bill sit down in he church and nod when he was making he inflammatory staements.
Is not like he Baptise Chelsea after Bill hear him make dem statements.
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...and what being a member of the church for 20 yrs...and sitting down and nodding to his comments (yuh musta been right there next to him in church to note all dem intricate details) have to do with anything??
Nuff times I siddung in church and hear de preacher man say something I didn't agree with. It's a very unconvincing and unintelligent position to take to infer Obama's (or anyone's for that matter) endorsement of every single thing that's said while present in church.
Assholes like Charles Krauthammer and Pat Buchanan are of the opinion that Obama's affiliation with this church is somehow a failure on his part to practice the tolerance that he preaches... on which side of the issue do you sit?
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steups. Obama say de man is he good friend, mentor pastor and spiritual guide.
So yuh go choose amn tuh be all dat and doh agree with what he saying.
I find anyone who denys that as logical is taking ah idiot view ah what happening.
If you feel dat Obama eh agree with what de preacher say in dem sermons, yuh head up yuh arse.
By de way, I agree with what de damn pastor say, and I feel in my herat Obama does too!
Is jes dat I eh running fuh President ah de US so I can say so and me eh have tuh backstab meh breds.
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steups. Obama say de man is he good friend, mentor pastor and spiritual guide.
So yuh go choose amn tuh be all dat and doh agree with what he saying.
I find anyone who denys that as logical is taking ah idiot view ah what happening.
If you feel dat Obama eh agree with what de preacher say in dem sermons, yuh head up yuh arse.
By de way, I agree with what de damn pastor say, and I feel in my herat Obama does too!
Is jes dat I eh running fuh President ah de US so I can say so and me eh have tuh backstab meh breds.
I am sure you have people yuh consider friends who believe in God, even though you yuhself is an avowed Atheist. You don't believe in God but still yuh is friends with them...is either you believe as they do or your head up yuh ass too, right?
Nothing irritates me more than people who are so wedded to their own beliefs, to the exent that they suspend all logic and rationality in some misguided insistence on being inflexible in their position.
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If you feel dat Obama eh agree with what de preacher say in dem sermons, yuh head up yuh arse.
By de way, I agree with what de damn pastor say, and I feel in my herat Obama does too!
Is jes dat I eh running fuh President ah de US so I can say so and me eh have tuh backstab meh breds.
ENT. I really wanted to see if he would admit it....he come with the race speech....maybe he go try and build up to it depending on how hot the water feeling. I think the black community paying more attention to how he deal with this than the wider populace. Very interesting developments yes....nomination aside I think is a good thing for this topic to be brought up for them oblivious people who didn't know that is how some (many) people felt.
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steups. Obama say de man is he good friend, mentor pastor and spiritual guide.
So yuh go choose amn tuh be all dat and doh agree with what he saying.
I find anyone who denys that as logical is taking ah idiot view ah what happening.
If you feel dat Obama eh agree with what de preacher say in dem sermons, yuh head up yuh arse.
By de way, I agree with what de damn pastor say, and I feel in my herat Obama does too!
Is jes dat I eh running fuh President ah de US so I can say so and me eh have tuh backstab meh breds.
I am sure you have people yuh consider friends who believe in God, even though you yuhself is an avowed Atheist. You don't believe in God but still yuh is friends with them...is either you believe as they do or your head up yuh ass too, right?
Nothing irritates me more than people who are so wedded to their own beliefs, to the exent that they suspend all logic and rationality in some misguided insistence on being inflexible in their position.
yes ah some misguided frens who superstitious and beleive in mythological God and ting.
and yuh right we does agree on many things, but NONE ah dem is my spiritual guide, my mentor (what de f**k does dat conotate...MENTOR) and me eh go tuh hear none ah dem preach fuh 20 damn years.
Truth be told, if my frens and dem preaching ting me eh agree with, we go remain frens but ah finding anodder church.
I feel is you jes lookinh fuh disagreement...de man lie no arse, he believe what de pastor saying much like I do, he jes fraid to say so...becasue it go cost him votes.
Why yuh find dat less dan credible.
As fuh my arse, it cyar fit up hmeh arse, as my arse too tight.....yours doh????? Loosey Goosey :devil:
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yes ah some misguided frens who superstitious and beleive in mythological God and ting.
and yuh right we does agree on many things, but NONE ah dem is my spiritual guide, my mentor (what de f**k does dat conotate...MENTOR) and me eh go tuh hear none ah dem preach fuh 20 damn years.
Truth be told, if my frens and dem preaching ting me eh agree with, we go remain frens but ah finding anodder church.
I feel is you jes lookinh fuh disagreement...de man lie no arse, he believe what de pastor saying much like I do, he jes fraid to say so...becasue it go cost him votes.
Why yuh find dat less dan credible.
As fuh my arse, it cyar fit up hmeh arse, as my arse too tight.....yours doh????? Loosey Goosey :devil:
Well unlike you I doh spend no kinda time wondering how loose or tight some next man ass is...and despite the nifty two-step yuh trying dey it's pretty evident yuh head fits just right. By your own asessment it is impossible to be friendly with people with whom you share fundamentally different ideas...either impossible yuh say or dey head up dey ass, right. Not so yuh say? Well since yuh admit to keeping company with people yuh disagree with on fundamental principles...I'd say it's time to start shifting yuh bowels for a cranial fitting.
I also glad to see how certain yuh is about Obama's mindset...since yuh facking Ms. Cleo, hook ah brotha up wid some lotto numbers nah?
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ahmmm yuh use dem lines on Omar already...like yuh senility becoming more prevalent or what?
Two stepping is your dance fella.
All I saying is dat Obama take lessons from you in Country dancing, becasue he is de one doing de two step.
He is de one who has been distancing himself from the race issue, rightly or wrongly, he has, and that is why he have tuh find heself defending his association with de fren, pastor, mentor, spiritual guide.
I doh have dat problem, dat is his and his only. And I have no difficulty being friendly with people who share fundamentally different views than me...no sir, no time did I say dat.
What I said was if he find de man preaching shit from de pulpit, things dat are divisive and wrong (his words) he shoulda find ah different church.
But I go get accused of some shit like knowing de elasticity of yuh bamsee or some form of bamseeology.
Fella, Obama has widely been hailed a black man who can appeal to whites, in fact as a black who appeals to blacks because he doh campaign on ah civil rights platform, I eh give him dat mantle, black and white political pundits did so.
If it were untrue, I eh see why he feel de need to come out and try to protect he fren. Afterall he fren spoke openly and with conviction about what he felt was true.
Obama is de one who say de man was divisive and wrong.
Take it up with he.
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men·tor /ˈmɛntɔr, -tər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[men-tawr, -ter] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a wise and trusted counselor or teacher.
If yuh teacher cyar teach nutten..den leave school
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Hillary self-destructs (http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/francis/archive/2008/03/23/mccain-s-preachers-scary-too.aspx)
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In all honesty, I was a Clinton supporter, first Bill and then Hillary.
But now I have defected. Bill and Hillary act like dem have ah right for everyone to capitulate and jes hand dem de White House.
Bill Clinton has finally shown his true colors and has disappointed me a whole lot.
The Press too has danced around Obama and dey also do ah mighty do dah around Hillary.
She has been beaten constantly and yet dey act like she could bounce back and win.
Despite the fact that more and more super delegates are defecting, leaving Camp Clinton and endorsing Obama.
I voyed for Obama in the primaries, despite leaving home with the intention of voting for Hillary, and I am glad that I did.
I dont hold any special love or have any deep rooted respect for Obama like some do.
I find he can speechify ok, but he says little that really moves me. That said I think he will be a better President than Hillary, not too sure he will do better than Mc Cain as President though, but he will get my vote anyway as I am loathe to have another damn Republican in de White House.
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...and what being a member of the church for 20 yrs...and sitting down and nodding to his comments (yuh musta been right there next to him in church to note all dem intricate details) have to do with anything??
Nuff times I siddung in church and hear de preacher man say something I didn't agree with. It's a very unconvincing and unintelligent position to take to infer Obama's (or anyone's for that matter) endorsement of every single thing that's said while present in church.
Assholes like Charles Krauthammer and Pat Buchanan are of the opinion that Obama's affiliation with this church is somehow a failure on his part to practice the tolerance that he preaches... on which side of the issue do you sit?
Except the association is not as casual or passive as you make it out to be. Obama has admitted that is very close to the guy, he even named one of his books after one of his sermons.
Whether he was there for all the statements (some of them absolutely ridiculous) or not is not really an issue. As a politician who represents all constituencies as a senator for Illinois and a presidential candidate it is just not good to be associated with someone preaching radical one-sided doctrines.
I am sure you have people yuh consider friends who believe in God, even though you yuhself is an avowed Atheist. You don't believe in God but still yuh is friends with them...is either you believe as they do or your head up yuh ass too, right?
This argument is only relevant if TT was trying to sell himself as a super atheist who is vowing to represent atheists and not religious folk.
It is an accepted fact that politicians will be held up to greater scrutiny. Obama having this guy as his mentor is not the same as you disagreeing with your priest. That is just the nature of the job. Obama cannot have an association with a person like that and expect people not to weight it in their judgement of him. Just as another politician would get licks for being friends with a KKK member or being a follower of the 700 club.
I am all for Obama, started out neutral but quickly switched once I started reading up, and now Hillary Clinton irritates me to no end (what is all this great experience again?) but this issue is a mis step.
No amount of rationalization or marginalization of the Pastor can change that. He lost some steam because of it but it will blow over for now. It will be interesting to see how much mileage the Republicans try to get from it. People will hold it as a lack of judgement on his part even if they don't think that he holds the same views. Remember that the only way a President is effective is by the quality of people he chooses to support him. In that respect selecting Pastor Wright as a mentor is a mistake.
Not taking in front, and preparing for this eventual "discovery" was also a mistake.
What I did like was his response. Some would call it tap dancing but to me it showed good diplomacy and a willingness to take a different approach.
Nothing irritates me more than people who are so wedded to their own beliefs, to the exent that they suspend all logic and rationality in some misguided insistence on being inflexible in their position.
This is ironic and funny. Nothing that TT wrote was irrational or illogical. The fact that there is a national debate is a testament to that, unless half the people very, very bright and the other half just absolutely dunce/partisan. You might not agree with it but there is more than enough out there to make it a valid, defensible position. Not everything is as cut and dried as one side right and the next one wrong.
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excellent post JDB..
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as someone pointed out on Larry King last night ;D these sound bites only represent a few MINUTES of his over 20 year career so I am willing to give him a bligh
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(CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton's aides blasted Sen. Barack Obama's campaign Monday after a major Obama supporter referenced the blue dress at the heart of former President Bill Clinton's impeachment scandal.
Obama defended his church in a radio interview on the "Michael Smerconish Show" that aired Monday.
1 of 3 Gordon Fischer, a former chair of the Iowa Democratic Party and part of Obama's Iowa support team, also compared Bill Clinton unfavorably to Joe McCarthy.
McCarthy was a senator who was known for leveling accusations that people were Communists or spying for the Russians in the 1950s.
"When Joe McCarthy questioned others' patriotism, McCarthy (1) actually believed, at least aparently (sic), the questions were genuine, and (2) he did so in order to build up, not tear down, his own party, the GOP," Fischer, wrote on his blog.
"Bill Clinton cannot possibly seriously believe Obama is not a patriot, and cannot possibly be said to be helping -- instead he is hurting -- his own party. B. [Bill] Clinton should never be forgiven. Period. This is a stain on his legacy, much worse, much deeper, than the one on Monica's blue dress."
Fischer was referring to Bill Clinton's comments over the weekend that a race between Sen. John McCain and Hillary Clinton would be a contest between two people who love their country. Some Obama supporters -- including former Air Force Gen. Tony McPeak -- have interpreted that statement as an attack on Obama's patriotism.
Fischer, who endorsed Obama last fall, later removed the post from his blog and replaced it with an apology.
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"I sincerely apologize for a tasteless and gratituous [sic] comment I made here about President Clinton. It was unnecessary and wrong," he wrote.
In a conference call with reporters Monday, Clinton aides said Fischer's decision to attack the New York senator reflected "gutter tactics that [the Obama] campaign is now deploying."
"This is now the Obama campaign's primary message to the American people," said spokesman Howard Wolfson. "Not to build him up, but to tear Sen. Clinton down."
He also dismissed Fischer's apology. "In my opinion the remarks of Gordon Fischer are very much in keeping with the campaign Sen. Obama is running. So I don't know why he would apologize."
Clinton aides also distanced themselves from remarks made this weekend by Clinton supporter and CNN analyst James Carville.
Carville told the New York Times Saturday that New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson's endorsement of Obama "came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out [Jesus] for 30 pieces of silver."
On Monday, Carville defended his comments. Watch more of Carville's interview »
"That's exactly what I said and ... I think the quote had the desired intent ... that people saw Richardson and saw somebody who is disloyal," Carville told Wolf Blitzer. "I'm very satisfied with the response I gave."
Carville also said he hadn't spoken with Hillary Clinton about Richardson's endorsement, but that he was outraged.
"I doubt if Gov. Richardson and I will be terribly close in the future," he said, but "I've had my say ... I got one in the wheelhouse and I tagged him."
On Monday, Richardson said Democrats need to "stop the bloodletting" so the party can unify before the convention.
"We're fighting each other, so we've got to end this," Richardson said on CNN's "American Morning."
Richardson, a former member of the Clinton administration, said he almost endorsed Clinton right after her husband visited him to watch the Super Bowl. Watch Richardson explain why he picked Obama »
Meanwhile, Clinton returned to the campaign trail Monday to take on the economy in a policy address in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
She said the country's economic crisis "is, at its core, a housing crisis," and called on President Bush to appoint an "emergency working group on foreclosures." Watch Clinton talk about a "crisis of confidence" »
Obama is in the middle of a three-day vacation in the U.S. Virgin Islands, following the hit he took following the flap over his former minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
Some of Wright's old sermons came under fire after a news report this month turned some of his most controversial comments into a YouTube phenomenon. In one, the minister said America had brought the September 11 attacks upon itself. In another, he said Clinton had an advantage over Obama because she is white. Watch a report on the role of politics in the pulpit »
In a radio interview on the "Michael Smerconish Show" that aired Monday in Philadelphia, Obama defended the church, saying it is "not some crackpot church," and pointing out that Bill Clinton also had ties to Wright.
Clinton invited Wright to the White House when he was going through his impeachment crisis.
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"Bill Clinton cannot possibly seriously believe Obama is not a patriot, and cannot possibly be said to be helping -- instead he is hurting -- his own party. B. [Bill] Clinton should never be forgiven. Period. This is a stain on his legacy, much worse, much deeper, than the one on Monica's blue dress."
Fischer was referring to Bill Clinton's comments over the weekend that a race between Sen. John McCain and Hillary Clinton would be a contest between two people who love their country. Some Obama supporters -- including former Air Force Gen. Tony McPeak -- have interpreted that statement as an attack on Obama's patriotism.
it good for Billy boy
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
dais from an Impeached and disbarred Bill Clinton
double :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Obama’s test: Can a liberal be a unifier?
Candidate is banking on theory that electorate has tilted left under Bush
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By Robin Toner
updated 16 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - At the core of Senator Barack Obama’s presidential campaign is a promise that he can transcend the starkly red-and-blue politics of the last 15 years, end the partisan and ideological wars and build a new governing majority.
To achieve the change the country wants, he says, “we need a leader who can finally move beyond the divisive politics of Washington and bring Democrats, independents and Republicans together to get things done.”
But this promise leads, inevitably, to a question: Can such a majority be built and led by Mr. Obama, whose voting record was, by one ranking, the most liberal in the Senate last year?
Also, and more immediately, if Mr. Obama wins the Democratic nomination, how will his promise of a new and less polarized type of politics fare against the Republican attacks that since the 1980s have portrayed Democrats as far out of step with the country’s values?
Banking on a thirst for change
To many political strategists, the furor over the racial views of Mr. Obama’s former pastor is only the first of many such tests the senator will face if he is the nominee.
Mr. Obama, in an interview that was conducted on March 15, in the midst of that controversy, said he was confident that Americans were eager for a new kind of politics and were convinced that “a lot of these old labels don’t apply anymore.”
He said he was a progressive and a pragmatist, eager to tackle the big issues like health care and convinced that the Democrats could — and should — rally independents and disaffected Republicans to their agenda. Only then, he said, could the party achieve what it has so rarely won in modern presidential elections: a mandate to do big things.
“Senator Clinton’s argument in this campaign,” he said, “has really been that you can’t change the electoral map, that it’s a static map and we are inalterably divided, so we’ve got to eke out a victory and then try to govern more competently than George Bush has. My argument is that if that’s what we’re settling for, after seven or eight years of disastrous policies on the part of the Bush administration, then we’re not going to deliver on the big changes that are needed.”
Neither known as a bridge-builder
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has worked hard in the Senate to moderate her liberal image and forge working relationships with Republicans. But with her husband’s tumultuous presidency still fresh in some voters’ minds, she is often cast as a hyperpartisan Democrat who would try to achieve her ends by beating the Republicans at the same brutal (and often futile) competition that has dominated Washington for years.
Mr. Obama’s rise has been built in part on the idea that he represents a break from the established identities that have defined many of the nation’s divisions. To many, he embodies a promise to bridge black and white, old and young, rich and poor — and Democrats, Republicans and independents.
Even so, Mr. Obama does not come to the campaign with a reputation as one of the most accommodating bridge-builders in the Senate. And while he promises a very different politics from Mrs. Clinton, their voting records in the Senate last year were not strikingly different.
A recent analysis of key votes by The National Journal concluded that Mr. Obama had the Senate’s most liberal voting record in 2007; Mrs. Clinton ranked 16th. But of the 267 measures on which both senators voted, the National Journal analysis found that they differed on only 10. One of their major differences came on an amendment that called for the designation of the Revolutionary Guards in Iran as a terrorist organization; while Mrs. Clinton supported it, Mr. Obama missed the vote, but said he opposed it.
Voting the party line
Congressional Quarterly said Mr. Obama voted with his party 97 percent of the time on party-line votes last year; Mrs. Clinton did so 98 percent of the time.
But it is Mr. Obama who is running on a promise of a new approach to politics. Given that, he says he understands the criticism of his voting record, but argues that the Senate is so ideologically polarized it is hard not to end up on one side or the other.
“The only votes that come up are votes that are purposely designed to divide people,” he said. “It’s true that if I’m presented with a series of votes like that, I’m more likely to fall left of center than right of center. But as president, I would be setting the terms of debate.”
Mr. Obama seems to be promising less a split-the-difference centrism than an ability to harness the support of all those voters who yearn for something new, beyond the ideological stalemate. In his book “The Audacity of Hope,” he wrote, “They are out there, waiting for Republicans and Democrats to catch up with them.”
In many ways, the Obama campaign is challenging the fundamental political premise that has prevailed in Washington for more than a generation: that any majority coalition must be carefully centrist, if not center-right. Bill Clinton ran in 1992 as a candidate willing to break with liberal orthodoxy on many issues, including crime and welfare, and eager to move the party — which had lost five of the six previous presidential elections — to the middle. Mr. Clinton’s New Democrats assumed a certain level of conservatism among voters.
Is the pendulum swinging?
Mr. Obama and his allies are basing his campaign on a different bet: that the right-leaning political landscape Mr. Clinton confronted has changed. Several major Democratic strategists, and outside analysts as well, argue that the country has shifted to the left because of the Iraq war, the economy and seven-plus years of President Bush, and that it has become open to a new progressive majority.
Mr. Obama said: “What I’m certain about is that people are disenchanted with a highly ideological Republican Party that believes tax cuts are the answer to every problem, and lack of regulation and oversight is always going to generate economic growth, and unilateral intervention around the world is the best approach to foreign policy. So there’s no doubt the pendulum is swinging.”
Still, he added: “The Democrats have to seize this opportunity by showing people in very practical terms how a different set of policies can deliver solutions that will actually make a difference in their lives. I think the jury is still out right now.”
Promise of pragmatism
Still, many of Mr. Obama’s supporters say he has recognized this new political climate in a way that Mrs. Clinton has not. They say he is ready for a new, self-assured era in which progressives (few have returned to using the word “liberal”) make no apologies about their goals — universal health care, withdrawing troops from Iraq, ending tax breaks for more affluent Americans — and assume that a broad swath of the public shares them.
Mrs. Clinton, on the other hand, often displays the wariness of Democrats who came of political age in the Reagan era, when the party was constantly on the defensive. As The New Republic recently put it, “Clintonism is a political strategy that assumes a skeptical public; Obamaism is a way of actualizing a latent ideological majority.”
Mr. Obama significantly outperformed Mrs. Clinton among independents in the coast-to-coast nominating contests on Feb. 5, and in several other key contests. But can that transpartisan appeal be sustained? He has only begun to take some hard political hits — from the Clinton campaign, from conservative commentators and radio hosts, and from the campaign of Senator John McCain, the presumed Republican nominee.
So far, Republicans give every indication of planning to portray Mr. Obama as just another big-government liberal.
“When you’re rated by National Journal as to the left of Ted Kennedy and Bernie Sanders, that’s going to be difficult to explain,” said Danny Diaz, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee.
Mr. Obama insists that while his core values are progressive, he himself is not ideological. His policy differences with Mrs. Clinton are limited, and his proposals are solidly in the mainstream of Democratic thought.
In the interview, for example, he argued that his proposals on health care and the economy, which call for a stronger government role and more regulation, were really about what works.
“I’m interested in solving problems as opposed to imposing doctrine,” he said. “I see a lot of convergence of interests among people who in traditional terms are considered to be divided politically.”
This article, Obama’s test: Can a liberal be a unifier?, originally appeared in The New York Times.
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I cyar make up my mind ;D ;D
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I was trying to find the post where I commented on the possibility of Obama being painted with the elitist brush. Anyway, it appears that is now a sealed envelope.
WC, ah doh have de stomach to keep looking at that image. Ah swear ah see it on a nex thread. It's haunting.
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Irish for O'bama
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Gotta love the narrowing of the lead in Pennsylvania ;)
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Guys, do not give up on Hillary Clinton as yet. I was reading an article about her winning by
19 % in PA tomorrow. If I find the article I'll post. I just have a shy feeling that Hillary is going
to come away by a margin and Obama will be her VP. Of the 130 Super Delegates Obama have ,
its deteriorating; it's now 71. So this one is going down as a Neck-Neck battle.
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aaappppssss
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Guys, do not give up on Hillary Clinton as yet. I was reading an article about her winning by
19 % in PA tomorrow. If I find the article I'll post. I just have a shy feeling that Hillary is going
to come away by a margin and Obama will be her VP. Of the 130 Super Delegates Obama have ,
its deteriorating; it's now 71. So this one is going down as a Neck-Neck battle.
Hiliary has 6 percent lead on obama right now
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They look related
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Hilary and her supporters could collectively eat a dick. Lying ass conniving bitch.
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Hilary and her supporters could collectively eat a dick. Lying ass conniving bitch.
And Obama is so honest? And Mc Cain is too?
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Yuh asking answers? On present info I'd say yuh right
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Yuh asking answers? On present info I'd say yuh right
why Obama having such ah hard time outing Hillary light den?
Why he still struggling to win de bigger states?
why
why why
and
why?
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wait!!!!!
Politicians are LIARS ???
wheys, that is so shocking :o
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Yuh asking answers? On present info I'd say yuh right
why Obama having such ah hard time outing Hillary light den?
Why he still struggling to win de bigger states?
why
why why
and
why?
Sting sing Russians love dey chirren too ...
You are familiar with the factors.
Some folks still eh buying Sting's proposition 20 years later ... Some folks will be folks.
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Yuh asking answers? On present info I'd say yuh right
why Obama having such ah hard time outing Hillary light den?
Why he still struggling to win de bigger states?
why
why why
and
why?
Sting sing Russians love dey chirren too ...
You are familiar with the factors.
Some folks still eh buying Sting's proposition 20 years later ... Some folks will be folks.
So yuh saying America eh ready yet?
Good answer, in fact yuh most honest answer yet.
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Ah saying a segment of America will have to be dragged ... my threshold is the nomination ... wouldn't you prefer McCain to kick Obama's arse rather than Hillary's? :devil:
Sometimes yuh hadda wuk to relieve folks of dey baser instincts. Nobody said it would be easy.
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Anyone heard that Hillary may drop out of the race by end of this week, or was my co worker talking out of his arse as usual.
I've been sitting in front the TV for half an hour waiting to see/hear if any news cast will aire such....nothing.
rumor or fact ???
please and thanks :beermug:
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He may be doing the usual.
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Anyone heard that Hillary may drop out of the race by end of this week, or was my co worker talking out of his arse as usual.
I've been sitting in front the TV for half an hour waiting to see/hear if any news cast will aire such....nothing.
rumor or fact ???
please and thanks :beermug:
they want her too but she say she will keep fighting. no news of her leaving.
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The Clintons is so flickin wicked they are tryin every thing to steal the nominee , i would bet if Obama was white Hillary would have left
but she prefer to stop in the race and destroy Barrack so MC bush could win . If Macbeth win she can come back next rounds and get the
nominee to run against him and hopefully win now tell me if this int wickedness , she did not thought in her white life that a black man
could beat her and that is killing her , she still cant believe it .
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I feel that the longer Hills stays in the race the better the chances that the Republicans will keep the white house.
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Ah (quotin) Al SHARPTON here he say that Hillary was in ah concert perfomin the concert over the band pack up they turn off the lights
people gone buh Hillery still singin , he say the concert she was singin in is over ,she have to perform in ah nother concert in
nother time on ah nother stage , because this one is gone .
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I dont know if this was posted as yet
http://www.atomfilms.com/film/rodham_rap.jsp
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yuh ressurect this old thread lol :D
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found this saturday night video :rotfl:
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/politics/video/play.shtml?mea=221776
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muh boy put down a hillaresque move here in my opinion. I dunno, maybe I just too liberal. anybody else disappointed in obama vote on
this one (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080710/pl_nm/usa_surveillance_dc)?
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Allyuh 'low meh one last parting shot nah ... ah know ah flouting protocol by raising de dead... buh is ah good cause ... and a case of kicking dem while dey down ...
take dat Hillary Clinton!!! And take dis :busshead:
Aight, somebody could launch ah Biden thread now.
P.S. Joe send Putin ah ty memo. Doh fuhget.
My work here is done.
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Allyuh 'low meh one last parting shot nah ... ah know ah flouting protocol by raising de dead... buh is ah good cause ... and a case of kicking dem while dey down ...
take dat Hillary Clinton!!! And take dis :busshead:
Aight, somebody could launch ah Biden thread now.
P.S. Joe send Putin ah ty memo. Doh fuhget.
My work here is done.
lol
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Bakes and asylum allyuh doh sleep ein late on ah Saturday ;)
CNN confirms Sen. Barack Obama has chosen Delaware Sen. Joe Biden to be his vice-presidential running mate.
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Great choice. Biden is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking fella (for a white guy).
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For an RC he ent bad atall ;D
"I do not believe that the government should be involved in making judgments on whether a woman can, or should have an abortion, or – if she chooses to do so – in paying for that abortion."
check his positions on major issues
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Joe_Biden
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Bakes and asylum allyuh doh sleep ein late on ah Saturday ;)
CNN confirms Sen. Barack Obama has chosen Delaware Sen. Joe Biden to be his vice-presidential running mate.
Ah stay up tuh watch Nigeria play de Argentine bastards...
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Great choice. Biden is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking fella (for a white guy).
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Just watching the Hillary show on CNN. Every time she say " Obama" she screw her face like she get a cuff :devil:
She can't act, but No One could put on "EMPATHY" like Bill.
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allya hear bout de ragtag red necks
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=bc86fd43-2c49-44b8-aafd-3727225e9c0f
day giving de ragtop terrorists a run for their money ::)
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A few crazies can accomplish anything. They need to take that sh*t more seriously. Now they could be playing dead to ketch cobeaux alive because for sure there are serious plots to kill this man.
These people are have been doing military and survival training for years in preparation for the mythical endgame they like to call racial holy war. They might be nuts, but that deep psychosis is what fuels their sordid cause. Look at how many men women and children Timothy McVeigh managed to kil.
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Hillary was excellent... and very believable. Her invoking of Harriet Tubman on the Underground Railroad..."just keep going..." Priceless.
Great speech, well done.
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Hillary was excellent... and very believable. Her invoking of Harriet Tubman on the Underground Railroad..."just keep going..." Priceless.
Great speech, well done.
Aww Bakes I was applauding in my living room. When you listen to such eloquent speakers and then Bush steps up to stutter his way through a preapared speech, it's something else. The Harriet Tubman bit was class :applause: I want to see how fox will spin this.
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Hillary was excellent... and very believable. Her invoking of Harriet Tubman on the Underground Railroad..."just keep going..." Priceless.
Great speech, well done.
I eh believe a single word :devil: but we will see how many Hillaryites she mange to convince. She certainly has a sharp wit and great instincts. Yuh go see THE consumate politician tommorow when the husband of Mrs. Clinton steps up to bat.
The fella who spoke before Hillary was sharp. I thought he re-injected the aspects of optimism and belief that Obama was so effective in conveying in the earlies and he subtly positioned McCain as "Yesterday's man", something that could be very effective.
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Look at how many men women and children Timothy McVeigh managed to kil.
I still say he was the "Fall Guy"
I remember that day very well and how FOX news was saying that it was a Muslim terrorist plot, to find out it is a True blue American plot.
Dem kinda Militia fellas now over in Iraq shooting up ah set of Iraqis. Dem have to/love to kill
I work wid a Mad Man who believes that WAR, and by extension roughing up people is the only way.......poor soul
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Its official! Acclamation plea from Hillary, she has done her duty well. History unfolds before our eyes.
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Its official! Acclamation plea from Hillary, she has done her duty well. History unfolds before our eyes.
I heard Bill's speech on the way home from work just now and he was not bad at all
GO OBAMA!!!!
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Ah miss Hillary's entire speech, just heard snipets over the past 2 days....caught Joe Biden last night....
But ah goh be front and centre for the big one tonight....
GO OBAMA!!.... :beermug:
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I miss everbody speech but not 2 nite. D 45th anniversary of I have a Dream Speech a perfect day 4 d passin of d baton
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I miss everbody speech but not 2 nite. D 45th anniversary of I have a Dream Speech a perfect day 4 d passin of d baton
Yes girl....what a ting eh??....
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Hear nuh.............I just could not resist posting this :devil: :devil:
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Hear nuh.............I just could not resist posting this :devil: :devil:
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Oh lawdddddddddd
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Hear nuh.............I just could not resist posting this :devil: :devil:
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:devil: :devil:
Even though I like what she just say about Palestine...but still
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:rotfl:
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Asylumseeker the Conservative as revealed in these posts
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Slow week @ the Canadian desk?
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Cue the band again.