Post by: Jah Gol on September 02, 2005, 09:37:23 AM
Ronaldinho's representative Roberto de Assis Moreira, his brother, said in remarks published Thursday by daily O Dia, that the player does not pretend to marry Nattielli, 22.
Nattielli and the child, Joao, recently traveled from the city of Rio de Janeiro to Porto Alegre, to visit Ronaldinho's parents.
On Wednesday, at the end of a match, striker Ronaldo de Assis Moreira (Ronaldinho Gaucho) accepted the paternity of Joao and said he will keep the matter private.
The brother of the striker said Ronaldinho's son will live with Nattielli in Rio de Janeiro.
"Since he was born, Joao is part of our family and will always be treated as such," said Ronaldo de Assis Moreira.
(http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-08/26/xin_450802261132942031020.jpg)
She is de chile muddah
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Jason.
Post by: Cowen on September 02, 2005, 01:19:26 PM
Ah pretty face and bad character.....blah blah blah bla ....shabba.
She probably nagging the man for some attention. Who she feel she is. Want attention ....... want some clothes for the chile.... and somewhere to live. The man must get fed up. Next thing u know she go want something to eat. Boldface. :beermug: ;D
Post by: oconnorg on September 02, 2005, 01:36:57 PM
The gyul probably have a bad charater. Allyuh never listen to the song.
Ah pretty face and bad character.....blah blah blah bla ....shabba.
She probably nagging the man for some attention. Who she feel she is. Want attention ....... want some clothes for the chile.... and somewhere to live. The man must get fed up. Next thing u know she go want something to eat. Boldface. :beermug: ;D
The Nerve of some women these days.!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: Andre on September 02, 2005, 01:41:04 PM
anyhow, i really hope that baby get he mother looks and doh come out with camel teeth like de father.
Post by: Solo on September 02, 2005, 01:57:21 PM
Alyuh dont hate cause de man score with a good looking gyul. :D
Yuh ent know that rich ugly (twist tee ;D) men does get any gurl deh want.
But oh gorm use a condom nah bwoy!
Post by: Bally on September 20, 2005, 10:20:14 AM
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By Nick Mulvenney
LONDON, Sept 19 (Reuters) - Barcelona's gifted Brazilian midfielder Ronaldinho was elected the first FIFPro world player of the year on Monday from a poll of 38,000 professional players in 40 countries.
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The members of the players' world association also voted in a secret ballot to choose the 2004-05 season's best team from a shortlist of 55 top names.
"It's a great honour to receive another one of these big prizes and this one is extra special because it's voted for by my fellow players," said Ronaldinho, who was voted FIFA's Player of the Year in December.
FIFPro president Gordon Taylor said: "There are no greater football critics than the players themselves.
"To be recognised by your fellow professionals from across the world is a unique honour.
"While we respect the many other football awards that are handed out I think it is special to see these results, the very first ballot among the world's players."
Ronaldinho's Barcelona team mate Samuel Eto'o, one of the strikers in the world team, said: "The important thing is that all the players stick together to fight against bad influences in football."
Referring to the blight of racism, he said: "It's not a problem for me. I can be booed on the pitch and clapped off it. The problem is the kids on the street who are the same colour as me, but if we are united to fight against these things we can make them better."
WORLD TEAM
Featuring alongside Ronaldinho in midfield in the world team are Real Madrid's Zinedine Zidane with French compatriot Claude Makelele and his Chelsea team mate Frank Lampard of England.
AC Milan, last season's Champions League runners-up, provided five players with Brazilian goalkeeper Dida and defenders Cafu, also of Brazil, as well as Italians Paolo Maldini and Alessandro Nesta and Ukraine striker Andriy Shevchenko, the current European Footballer of the Year.
Cameroon striker Eto'o was chosen to partner Shevchenko up front, while England centre back John Terry made it three for English champions Chelsea.
"To be involved with such illustrious names is a sign of our achievements," Lampard said of the Chelsea trio who inspired their team to the Premier League title. "There's three players in there tonight but there could be more."
Asked which players in the world team he would like to have with him at Barcelona, Ronaldinho said: "The whole of this team's very special, they're great players so it's difficult to choose."
FIFPro, who announced the awards at a ceremony at the BBC broadcasting studios in London, said Manchester United had provided two winners of young player accolades.
England striker Wayne Rooney was chosen by their awards committee and Portugal winger Cristiano Ronaldo voted by fans worldwide.
Team: Dida (Brazil/AC Milan); Cafu (Brazil/AC Milan), Alessandro Nesta (Italy/AC Milan), John Terry (England/Chelsea), Paolo Maldini (Italy/AC Milan); Frank Lampard (England/Chelsea), Claude Makelele (France/Chelsea), Ronaldinho (Brazil/Barcelona) Zinedine Zidane (France/Real Madrid); Samuel Eto'o (Cameroon/Barcelona), Andriy Shevchenko (Ukraine/AC Milan).
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Post by: morvant on September 20, 2005, 10:33:06 AM
Post by: Saltanfresh on September 20, 2005, 10:38:13 AM
- Muddah Cornhux
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Post by: morvant on September 20, 2005, 11:18:21 AM
"Morvantman! You eh easy nah! I know I did recognize dah step over beat from somewhere, keep up all the good work man, the world needs more like you, yuh soooo unsellfish".
- Muddah Cornhux
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thank you thank you i try i try :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: SHOTTA on September 20, 2005, 08:43:55 PM
IS HE A TRINI I THINK WE CUD DO WIT DA PERSON ON D NATIONAL TEAM HORSE TALK TO HIM AN TELL HIM BEENIE IN D STADIUM
Post by: SHOTTA on September 29, 2005, 09:40:58 PM
sports.yahoo.com
MADRID, Sept 29 (Reuters) - Ronaldinho may not have won the golden boot award last season but he will be taking to the Nou Camp wearing the real thing when Barcelona host Real Zaragoza in the Primera Liga on Saturday.
The Brazilian, who scored a hat-trick in his side's 4-1 Champions League win over Udinese on Tuesday, has been given two pairs of special boots containing eight ounces of 24-carat gold estimated by manufacturers Nike to be worth $6,000.
The gold has been applied to the tongue, heel and the Nike "swoosh" on the side and is the same as the material used on athlete Michael Johnson's all-gold spikes he wore at the Sydney Olympics in 2000.
The boots also feature an embroidered letter "R" and the number 10, the shirt Ronaldinho wears for Barcelona, while the heel of the boot is embossed with five gold stars in honour of Brazil's five World Cup wins.
"We were wondering how to give the boots a personal touch," said Ronaldinho. "So they copied the design of my neck chain to reproduce the "R" and added my number 10. I was very happy to take part in the gold design, so they are completely personalised."
Ronaldinho, 25, joined Barcelona from Paris St Germain two years ago, scoring 14 league goals and inspiring them to a 17-match unbeaten run that saw them finish in second place in the title race in his first season at the club.
Last season he scored nine to help Barcelona lay their hands on their first league title in six years.
Part of Brazil's World Cup winning side in 2002, Ronaldinho was named FIFA World Player of the Year last December and was voted FIFPro World Player by fellow professionals last week.
Personalised boots have become all the rage among footballers in recent years with many of the leading players having their names and numbers emblazoned on the side.
David Beckham, who is contracted to Nike's rivals Adidas, has the name of his three sons, Brooklyn, Romeo and Cruz, woven in gold thread into the three stripes on his boots.
Post by: morvant on September 30, 2005, 12:37:57 PM
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Post by: Jumbie on October 30, 2005, 05:05:01 PM
That stupid Irish commentatator Tommy Smith is a fool. Ronaldinho is the best player in the world.
Though I didn't see/hear him today (TS)..dat man have ah habit of vexing me too.. sometimes I does wonder if he seeing the same game I seeing 4 trute.
Post by: Observer on October 30, 2005, 05:19:13 PM
That stupid Irish commentatator Tommy Smith is a fool. Ronaldinho is the best player in the world.
Though I didn't see/hear him today (TS)..dat man have ah habit of vexing me too.. sometimes I does wonder if he seeing the same game I seeing 4 trute.
Tummy Shit is a dam idot almost every thing that come out he mouth is rubbish.
Post by: Peong on October 30, 2005, 05:48:33 PM
Tommy Smith is SENILE.
Post by: JDB on October 30, 2005, 06:07:29 PM
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on October 30, 2005, 06:23:32 PM
He say Eto is the best player and he site the fact that he doh score no goals but the man does set up most ah them.
Point is he is a real cyahcahole and does talk real shit. The enxt saddest who does be with him Derrick Rae I think he name is much badder than him and real knowledgeable about the game.
Aside from that Van Bommel real pley good dread I eh go lie the man score a good goal. I feel Rikjaard go had to move Marquez to the defense and start Van Bommel.
Osasuna 10 7 0 3 14 10 21
Barcelona 10 5 4 1 24 10 19
Real Madrid 10 6 0 4 21 11 18
look who on top the league nuh
Kicker yuh side breathing down we neck.
Post by: kicker on October 30, 2005, 07:06:26 PM
Kicker yuh side breathing down we neck.
haha......ah was waitin' fuh yuh......
p.s. Yeah Tommy Smith is a fool....I thought he said something in particular..but if it's just the regular Tommy, then I know what yuh talkin' about.
Post by: palos on October 30, 2005, 08:57:25 PM
Oh well... ::) ::)
Post by: Brej on October 30, 2005, 08:58:25 PM
de man have a mindset an he eh biz wa no1 else say
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on October 30, 2005, 11:14:39 PM
More dotishness. Men actually callin Lampard de best player in de world..... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Oh well... ::) ::)
might have some truth in that though
he is the best player in the EPL right now
best box to box midfielder and he scoring goals plus he could take a free kick
the man play something like 150 consecutive EPL games
He doh have the flare like Ronaldinho but he does do the same thing in a league that is faster.
Post by: palos on October 30, 2005, 11:31:16 PM
More dotishness. Men actually callin Lampard de best player in de world..... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Oh well... ::) ::)
might have some truth in that though
he is the best player in the EPL right now
best box to box midfielder and he scoring goals plus he could take a free kick
the man play something like 150 consecutive EPL games
He doh have the flare like Ronaldinho but he does do the same thing in a league that is faster.
There you said it. PERHAPS...best player in de EPL. EPL not de best League in football. Man scorin goals against West Bromwich Albion and people runnin dey mout bout best player in de world.
But hey...watch EPL enough times and nutting else and ah sure yuh go get convince.
Lampard cyah even make a world team first XI for me.
If I playin 4 midfielders, they would be:
Nedved
Viera
Requelme
Kaka
Ronaldinho will play just behind the main striker
Lampard cyah shine any of the above boots for me.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on October 30, 2005, 11:47:46 PM
There you said it. PERHAPS...best player in de EPL. EPL not de best League in football. Man scorin goals against West Bromwich Albion and people runnin dey mout bout best player in de world.
But hey...watch EPL enough times and nutting else and ah sure yuh go get convince.
Lampard cyah even make a world team first XI for me.
If I playin 4 midfielders, they would be:
Nedved
Viera
Requelme
Kaka
Ronaldinho will play just behind the main striker
Lampard cyah shine any of the above boots for me.
Yuh mad
Lampard in front of Requelme any day. On sheer work rate alone. While Requelme could read a game and split a defense with one pass the man slow as hell.
Lampard have 9 goals in Champions League and 10 for England
so he eh jes scoring on shit side
Post by: palos on October 30, 2005, 11:48:55 PM
Yuh mad
Lampard in front of Requelme any day. On sheer work rate alone. While Requelme could read a game and split a defense with one pass the man slow as hell.
Lampard have 9 goals in Champions League and 10 for England
so he eh jes scoring on shit side
Daz why football nice. We eh bong to agree. Work rate? LOL.... :rotfl:
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on October 31, 2005, 12:15:33 AM
Yuh mad
Lampard in front of Requelme any day. On sheer work rate alone. While Requelme could read a game and split a defense with one pass the man slow as hell.
Lampard have 9 goals in Champions League and 10 for England
so he eh jes scoring on shit side
Daz why football nice. We eh bong to agree. Work rate? LOL.... :rotfl:
true :beermug:
Requelme eh go last a day in the EPL
they go kill him with blade
Post by: Marcos on October 31, 2005, 10:50:17 AM
puleeez
Yuh shame Ronaldinho and Ronaldo by saying that.
Plus everybody does look better than they are when playing next to Makelele
Ronaldinho and Lampard doh belong in the same conversation nah
Post by: kicker on October 31, 2005, 10:57:53 AM
Lampard is a big player, and in terms of effectiveness, he's as good as any.....but from a spectators standpoint (which is what I am)....I eh bong for Lampard.
.......plus Lampard plays in a team of stars....Put him at Villareal and see if he could lift them the way Riquelme does.......
Post by: Redditch Valiant on October 31, 2005, 11:04:12 AM
Post by: Marcos on October 31, 2005, 06:13:44 PM
Post by: Israel on October 31, 2005, 06:31:24 PM
Lampard is a big player, but best in the world?
puleeez
Yuh shame Ronaldinho and Ronaldo by saying that.
Plus everybody does look better than they are when playing next to MakeleleRonaldinho and Lampard doh belong in the same conversation nah
Dis is so true...........Higher work rate? Allyuh serious? ok. does the great Zidane have a higher work rate than Lampard? Absolutely not, but he still may not make your midfield over lampard according to some of u
Post by: SOBRIQUET on October 31, 2005, 06:42:05 PM
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on October 31, 2005, 06:58:06 PM
Lamps (A Midfielder) leading the EPL in goals right now. The man long and short passin real sweet. The man is a "G" from inside 30 yards. Freekicks, Penalties, Assists...What make him better than real men tho' is his defence! He don't back outta no 50/50's. When last you see Ronaldinho run into a 50/50? In fact, when last you see Ronny defend? This discussion is simply a matter of what U like seeing...If you want the skill, spanner and rolley polley....Go with Ronny... But if u appreciate completeness in a player and BOX TO BOX hussle, Lamps is the best in the world..Hands Down..
thank you
yuh beat meh to the punch
I said it earlier he doh have the flare but he jes as effective.
And I went on to say that if I have to chose between Lampard and Requelme I go chose Lampard. Requelme is a man that yuh have to build a team around else he is real shit. Hence the reason he failed at Barca. He is man who could build a play but when it come to a fast counter attack or running back to defend doh look for him. If he have a hot shit he go shit he pants fuss he have no urgency about him. Doh get me wrong the man could real pass a ball and he have vision.
If Requelme went to any other league he would be a failure yeah Spain is technically the best league but is a slower game, if Requelme go and play in England he eh go make a note.
Lampard on a team of stars and does start every game, Why is that, cause the coach like him? NO! Is cause the man up they with the best so is he and any 10 players.
Post by: Peong on October 31, 2005, 07:34:18 PM
Disgruntled, yuh name
Nedved
Viera
Requelme
Kaka
because you haven't seen Nedved play recently,
because you ignorin how last season Lampard outshine Viera and run him outta de league,
because yuh like men who could beat and score a few fancy goals,
because yuh doh realise midfielders need to tackle.
Then Marcos insinuate that Lampard only look good becuz he playin next to Makelele.
Where was Makelele playin before Chelsea? Ent yuh find Zidane, Figo and Ronaldo was lookin good when Makelele was there?
As for Zidane, he is past his prime. We talkin about right now, not years past.
Steups. Lampard tackles, passes, works hard, scores goals, and allyuh still cah give him respect?
I wonder if these men have some kinda bias agaist EPL.
Post by: kicker on October 31, 2005, 07:36:37 PM
Requelme is a man that yuh have to build a team around else he is real shit. Hence the reason he failed at Barca.
You might be right there.............
but I think the comparison between Lampard and Riquelme is a bad one.....two totally different players.....who are exceptional at what they do best.
Post by: JDB on October 31, 2005, 07:40:48 PM
Give credit where credit is due.
Disgruntled, yuh name
Nedved
Viera
Requelme
Kaka
In the interest of "giving credit where it is due"
That was Palos' selection, not Disgruntled Trini's
Post by: kicker on October 31, 2005, 07:45:50 PM
Give credit where credit is due.
Disgruntled, yuh name
Nedved
Viera
Requelme
Kaka
because you haven't seen Nedved play recently,
because you ignorin how last season Lampard outshine Viera and run him outta de league,
because yuh like men who could beat and score a few fancy goals,
because yuh doh realise midfielders need to tackle.
Then Marcos insinuate that Lampard only look good becuz he playin next to Makelele.
Where was Makelele playin before Chelsea? Ent yuh find Zidane, Figo and Ronaldo was lookin good when Makelele was there?
As for Zidane, he is past his prime. We talkin about right now, not years past.
Steups. Lampard tackles, passes, works hard, scores goals, and allyuh still cah give him respect?
I wonder if these men have some kinda bias agaist EPL.
It was Palos who named those players not Disgruntled..........plus:
I've seen Nedved play recently....not as good as he was 5 years ago but he still has it...the Czechs are missing him.
But I do agree that Lampard is better than Viera....I was never a big fan of Viera anyways.... and Lampard would look good without Makas........
What it boils down to as someone said before iz what kinda player you like to watch.......In terms of talent, the higher up you go, the more difficult it is to separate players.......
People's preferences will be made based on style of play.....You could argue that Lampard is better than Ronaldinho (yuh'll probably get cuss), but you could make a good argument because he (Lampard) defends, he's stronger in the air, works harder in more areas of the field, and scores just as many goals.......but the World considers Ronaldinho the greatest player at the moment......why is that ?
.....ya dig ?
Post by: Jah Gol on October 31, 2005, 07:47:07 PM
Lamps (A Midfielder) leading the EPL in goals right now. The man long and short passin real sweet. The man is a "G" from inside 30 yards. Freekicks, Penalties, Assists...What make him better than real men tho' is his defence! He don't back outta no 50/50's. When last you see Ronaldinho run into a 50/50? In fact, when last you see Ronny defend? This discussion is simply a matter of what U like seeing...If you want the skill, spanner and rolley polley....Go with Ronny... But if u appreciate completeness in a player and BOX TO BOX hussle, Lamps is the best in the world..Hands Down..
thank you
yuh beat meh to the punch
I said it earlier he doh have the flare but he jes as effective.
And I went on to say that if I have to chose between Lampard and Requelme I go chose Lampard. Requelme is a man that yuh have to build a team around else he is real shit. Hence the reason he failed at Barca. He is man who could build a play but when it come to a fast counter attack or running back to defend doh look for him. If he have a hot shit he go shit he pants fuss he have no urgency about him. Doh get me wrong the man could real pass a ball and he have vision.
If Requelme went to any other league he would be a failure yeah Spain is technically the best league but is a slower game, if Requelme go and play in England he eh go make a note.
Lampard on a team of stars and does start every game, Why is that, cause the coach like him? NO! Is cause the man up they with the best so is he and any 10 players.
It is heresy to even compare Riquelme and Lampard to Ronaldinho. Ronaldinho doesn't defend because he is quite simply an attacking player. Its like expecting a ferrari to perform in city traffic.
Riquelme; big players step up in big matches and he is always AWOL when you need him to perform.
Lampard; Excellent player ,more complete player but not better than Ronaldinho
Post by: Peong on October 31, 2005, 07:49:23 PM
Quote
It was Palos who named those players not Disgruntled..........plus:
My bad Disgruntled!
I agree yuh can't compare Ronaldinho to Lampard, they play different positions, which is why Palos didn't call him in his 4 man-midfield.
Post by: JDB on October 31, 2005, 07:52:19 PM
He scores a lot of goals because he is opportunistic. Running box to box and tackling men does not tell the whole story. All it says is that he is fit.
And do not believe that Lampard is any terror in the tackle because he is not.
The reason why Lampard is not one of the best in th eworld is that he is not good enough to build a side around and he does not dominate games. If things going bad for CHelsea Lampard is not putting his stamp on the game and winning it for them. He might be in position to score the goal however.
You see Lampard's flaws all the time when he plays for England and looks ordinary (still scores goals though).
You can't say the same for the rest of them men that Palos call except maybe for Vieira who is a next one who is overdependant on a holding midfield partner.
Post by: Marcos on November 01, 2005, 01:53:14 AM
Lamps (A Midfielder) leading the EPL in goals right now. The man long and short passin real sweet. The man is a "G" from inside 30 yards. Freekicks, Penalties, Assists...What make him better than real men tho' is his defence! He don't back outta no 50/50's. When last you see Ronaldinho run into a 50/50? In fact, when last you see Ronny defend? This discussion is simply a matter of what U like seeing...If you want the skill, spanner and rolley polley....Go with Ronny... But if u appreciate completeness in a player and BOX TO BOX hussle, Lamps is the best in the world..Hands Down..
thank you
yuh beat meh to the punch
I said it earlier he doh have the flare but he jes as effective.
And I went on to say that if I have to chose between Lampard and Requelme I go chose Lampard. Requelme is a man that yuh have to build a team around else he is real shit. Hence the reason he failed at Barca. He is man who could build a play but when it come to a fast counter attack or running back to defend doh look for him. If he have a hot shit he go shit he pants fuss he have no urgency about him. Doh get me wrong the man could real pass a ball and he have vision.
If Requelme went to any other league he would be a failure yeah Spain is technically the best league but is a slower game, if Requelme go and play in England he eh go make a note.
Lampard on a team of stars and does start every game, Why is that, cause the coach like him? NO! Is cause the man up they with the best so is he and any 10 players.
It is heresy to even compare Riquelme and Lampard to Ronaldinho. Ronaldinho doesn't defend because he is quite simply an attacking player. Its like expecting a ferrari to perform in city traffic.
Riquelme; big players step up in big matches and he is always AWOL when you need him to perform.
Lampard; Excellent player ,more complete player but not better than Ronaldinho
ferrari in city traffic
u talk like a king
lampard is only a benz
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 01, 2005, 11:33:23 AM
Lampard is a good player.
He scores a lot of goals because he is opportunistic. Running box to box and tackling men does not tell the whole story. All it says is that he is fit.
And do not believe that Lampard is any terror in the tackle because he is not.
The reason why Lampard is not one of the best in th eworld is that he is not good enough to build a side around and he does not dominate games. If things going bad for CHelsea Lampard is not putting his stamp on the game and winning it for them. He might be in position to score the goal however.
You see Lampard's flaws all the time when he plays for England and looks ordinary (still scores goals though).
You can't say the same for the rest of them men that Palos call except maybe for Vieira who is a next one who is overdependant on a holding midfield partner.
Yuh talking real nonsense they.
Lampard is the best player in England right now. And he is the best player on the best side. So for you to shine on a side with so much stars yuh had to be more than opportunistic.
It eh have nothing opportunistic bout taking a dread free kick about lighting a blistering shot from outside the box about latching on to a though ball from ah play you start in yuh own box. That is jes skill.
Ronaldinho does do the same thing but yuh eh going and see him run back and break up a man like wha he do Xavi Alonso last year and break he foot.
As for that England side the reason the man does look ordinary is cause Sven Goran Eriksson always trying some shit in the midfield with he and Gerrard that not working and on top of that he still scoring so what that say for the man.
If yuh want to talk opportunistic call Van Nistelrooy name that is oppourtunist self. He doh make no goal but he does be in the right place and the right time to slap it home. That is a talent by itself.
Post by: Ponnoxx on November 02, 2005, 01:52:36 PM
Post by: kicker on November 02, 2005, 05:11:58 PM
If yuh want to talk opportunistic call Van Nistelrooy name that is oppourtunist self. He doh make no goal but he does be in the right place and the right time to slap it home. That is a talent by itself.
I agree that many of V.Nistelrooy's goals are scrappy goals at the end of someone else's hard work, but I wouldn't label him a pure opportunist....I have watched many games where V. Nistelrooy works very hard in different areas of the field and covers alot of ground....He's a tough player who moves well off the ball.
When I think opportunists I think Oliver Bierhoff, David Trezeguet, Gary Lineker etc.......men who contribution to the game outside of the 18yd box is minimal.
Post by: Marcos on November 02, 2005, 07:41:36 PM
If yuh want to talk opportunistic call Van Nistelrooy name that is oppourtunist self. He doh make no goal but he does be in the right place and the right time to slap it home. That is a talent by itself.
I agree that many of V.Nistelrooy's goals are scrappy goals at the end of someone else's hard work, but I wouldn't label him a pure opportunist....I have watched many games where V. Nistelrooy works very hard in different areas of the field and covers alot of ground....He's a tough player who moves well off the ball.
When I think opportunists I think Oliver Bierhoff, David Trezeguet, Gary Lineker etc.......men who contribution to the game outside of the 18yd box is minimal.
u forget inzaghi
Post by: FATZ on November 02, 2005, 07:45:29 PM
That stupid Irish commentatator Tommy Smith is a fool. Ronaldinho is the best player in the world.
I believe you like boys with long hair and big teeth, you don't know what a true football player is, you must be of this new generation of wannabe football fans because if you analyse the game, Ronaldinho does less than half the things areal player would do but i believe you like him because he's Brazilian and he might beat a few men and leave their backs in a twist but what else does he do??
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 02, 2005, 07:51:44 PM
Robinho could be better than Ronldinho....He just need a few years...mark my words... Robinho is better at 21 than Ronaldinho than was...He is at a bigger club so it is up to him to soak up the pressure and continue raising his game...
You read back that before you write it.
Boss it eh have no day that that thin foot boy called Robinho could score 35 goals in a season like Ronaldo did.
Post by: JDB on November 02, 2005, 08:06:55 PM
That stupid Irish commentatator Tommy Smith is a fool. Ronaldinho is the best player in the world.
I believe you like boys with long hair and big teeth, you don't know what a true football player is, you must be of this new generation of wannabe football fans because if you analyse the game, Ronaldinho does less than half the things areal player would do but i believe you like him because he's Brazilian and he might beat a few men and leave their backs in a twist but what else does he do??
You was doing better when yuh was just selling jersey yes.
What are you calling a real player? Players like Ronaldinho are beyond real. The kind of things that they do men like your love Lampard can't even dream of . Ronaldinho is in a small, very small class of player that can create something out of NOTHING. Things that make players like Lampard look pedestrian. It is more than just beats.
It is vision, touch, passing, movement. The kind of players you could call with this kind of ability is small and all of them are world greats. Ronaldinho, Zidane, Platini, Maradona just to name a recent few.
Post by: palos on November 02, 2005, 08:13:15 PM
That stupid Irish commentatator Tommy Smith is a fool. Ronaldinho is the best player in the world.
I believe you like boys with long hair and big teeth, you don't know what a true football player is, you must be of this new generation of wannabe football fans because if you analyse the game, Ronaldinho does less than half the things areal player would do but i believe you like him because he's Brazilian and he might beat a few men and leave their backs in a twist but what else does he do??
What else does Ronaldinho do.....:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Some a allyuh men on dis site sweet yes. LAWDDDDD... ;D
Post by: morvant on November 02, 2005, 08:16:13 PM
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 02, 2005, 08:22:12 PM
That stupid Irish commentatator Tommy Smith is a fool. Ronaldinho is the best player in the world.
I believe you like boys with long hair and big teeth, you don't know what a true football player is, you must be of this new generation of wannabe football fans because if you analyse the game, Ronaldinho does less than half the things areal player would do but i believe you like him because he's Brazilian and he might beat a few men and leave their backs in a twist but what else does he do??
I am not a Lampard hater like these fellas but yuh cannot undermine the skill of Ronaldinho.
I mean jes lok at the man resume.
World Cup
Confederations Cup
La Liga Title
Footballer of the year.
He win all them thing cause ah he teeth I suppose.
Post by: FATZ on November 02, 2005, 08:27:25 PM
That stupid Irish commentatator Tommy Smith is a fool. Ronaldinho is the best player in the world.
I believe you like boys with long hair and big teeth, you don't know what a true football player is, you must be of this new generation of wannabe football fans because if you analyse the game, Ronaldinho does less than half the things areal player would do but i believe you like him because he's Brazilian and he might beat a few men and leave their backs in a twist but what else does he do??
You was doing better when yuh was just selling jersey yes.
What are you calling a real player? Players like Ronaldinho are beyond real. The kind of things that they do men like your love Lampard can't even dream of . Ronaldinho is in a small, very small class of player that can create something out of NOTHING. Things that make players like Lampard look pedestrian. It is more than just beats.
It is vision, touch, passing, movement. The kind of players you could call with this kind of ability is small and all of them are world greats. Ronaldinho, Zidane, Platini, Maradona just to name a recent few.
Yet another juss ah come to the world game, i wonder if you know the likes of Pelé, Garrincha, Puskas, Eusebio, Jairzinho, Alfredo Di Stefano and Johan Cryuf???
Post by: FATZ on November 02, 2005, 08:30:55 PM
That stupid Irish commentatator Tommy Smith is a fool. Ronaldinho is the best player in the world.
I believe you like boys with long hair and big teeth, you don't know what a true football player is, you must be of this new generation of wannabe football fans because if you analyse the game, Ronaldinho does less than half the things areal player would do but i believe you like him because he's Brazilian and he might beat a few men and leave their backs in a twist but what else does he do??
I am not a Lampard hater like these fellas but yuh cannot undermine the skill of Ronaldinho.
I mean jes lok at the man resume.
World Cup
Confederations Cup
La Liga Title
Footballer of the year.
He win all them thing cause ah he teeth I suppose.
He won all those titles because of the teams he played with, in the world cup, Brazil was led by RONALDO and not Ronaldinho, confed cup, it was Adriano, laliga was Eto"o scoring all goals
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 02, 2005, 08:34:15 PM
Yet another juss ah come to the world game, i wonder if you know the likes of Pelé, Garrincha, Puskas, Eusebio, Jairzinho, Alfredo Di Stefano and Johan Cryuf???
Fatz wha wrong with you boy??
These men in they 50's and 60's
we talking bout a man that win all ah this and he in he mid 20's
Post by: JDB on November 02, 2005, 08:35:31 PM
You was doing better when yuh was just selling jersey yes.
What are you calling a real player? Players like Ronaldinho are beyond real. The kind of things that they do men like your love Lampard can't even dream of . Ronaldinho is in a small, very small class of player that can create something out of NOTHING. Things that make players like Lampard look pedestrian. It is more than just beats.
It is vision, touch, passing, movement. The kind of players you could call with this kind of ability is small and all of them are world greats. Ronaldinho, Zidane, Platini, Maradona just to name a recent few.
Yet another juss ah come to the world game, i wonder if you know the likes of Pelé, Garrincha, Puskas, Eusebio, Jairzinho, Alfredo Di Stefano and Johan Cryuf???
You did read the words recent few right?
Or are you a "juss come" to this thing called reading comprehension.
Post by: FATZ on November 02, 2005, 08:44:09 PM
Yet another juss ah come to the world game, i wonder if you know the likes of Pelé, Garrincha, Puskas, Eusebio, Jairzinho, Alfredo Di Stefano and Johan Cryuf???
Fatz wha wrong with you boy??
These men in they 50's and 60's
we talking bout a man that win all ah this and he in he mid 20's
i was emphasizing the fact that 3/4 of the people in here looking at football as commercial and they just come out, JDB said that Ronaldinho is in a small class of players and he mentioned Maradona, Platini and Zidane, Platini is 50+ and he mentioned him so that's why i mentioned those players and they did greater things in their days with 1/8 of the resources Ronaldinho and Lampard has today. Brazil never lost a game with Garrincha and Pelé in the line-up and Garrincha lost 1 game in his Brazil career and that was in England in 66, his last game for Brazil.
Post by: morvant on November 02, 2005, 08:45:11 PM
Post by: FATZ on November 02, 2005, 08:47:44 PM
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 02, 2005, 09:14:13 PM
No diving and acting!!!
Fatz that's called evolouton.
You feel them fellas could come in the present day game and do what they do then. I doubt it.
Michael Jordan score 65 points in ah game you feel that could happen in todays game. Everything has changes is ah new era ah new generation.
Pele and them make the best with what they had and Ronaldinho making the best with what he have and 30 years from now another player go make the best of what is available to him.
Post by: Benchwarmer on November 02, 2005, 09:22:07 PM
Because of the players around them, they get to score goals and look effective......
Lampard cant really create or change a game.......
That is why England go be in trouble...........
Because of the system he playin in he is look real good......
it have much better midfields in the world
Aimar, Veron, Kaka, Seedorf, Pirlo, Xavi, Vieira, list goes on...........
He have a real good supporting cast
Post by: FATZ on November 02, 2005, 09:23:15 PM
No diving and acting!!!
Fatz that's called evolouton.
You feel them fellas could come in the present day game and do what they do then. I doubt it.
Michael Jordan score 65 points in ah game you feel that could happen in todays game. Everything has changes is ah new era ah new generation.
Pele and them make the best with what they had and Ronaldinho making the best with what he have and 30 years from now another player go make the best of what is available to him.
Yuh lucky i have to go home now because yuh just jump on a topic i know more than football, Mr. Mike and bball but i will deal with you when i get home.
Post by: FATZ on November 02, 2005, 09:24:42 PM
Lampard and Scholes in the same boat..........
Because of the players around them, they get to score goals and look effective......
Lampard cant really create or change a game.......
That is why England go be in trouble...........
Because of the system he playin in he is look real good......
it have much better midfields in the world
Aimar, Veron, Kaka, Seedorf, Pirlo, Xavi, Vieira, list goes on...........
He have a real good supporting cast
You should have just stayed on the bench, yuh just wasted space on the post and people time with that shit :rotfl:
Post by: JDB on November 02, 2005, 09:27:05 PM
Lampard and Scholes in the same boat..........
Because of the players around them, they get to score goals and look effective......
Lampard cant really create or change a game.......
That is why England go be in trouble...........
Because of the system he playin in he is look real good......
it have much better midfields in the world
Aimar, Veron, Kaka, Seedorf, Pirlo, Xavi, Vieira, list goes on...........
He have a real good supporting cast
Thank you warmer.
It is ironic that a man who is rating up Lampard as possibly the best in the world calling anybody a juss come.
I watch Lampard closely yesterday. He is NOT a box to box player. Essiien is, he isn't. He will run back and throw a foot but that is not his responibility or his strength.
England suffers because when he and Gerrared play they supposed to share defensive and offensive duties and they fail almost everytime.
Lampard is a modern day David Platt, which is not to say that he isn't a good player but common man.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 02, 2005, 09:41:53 PM
Lampard and Scholes in the same boat..........
Because of the players around them, they get to score goals and look effective......
Lampard cant really create or change a game.......
That is why England go be in trouble...........
Because of the system he playin in he is look real good......
it have much better midfields in the world
Aimar, Veron, Kaka, Seedorf, Pirlo, Xavi, Vieira, list goes on...........
He have a real good supporting cast
horse doh let meh have to take that Fatima logo off yuh jes let meh down with that shit yuh talk.
Lampard is the general in Chelsea midfield. You trying to compare Lampard and Scholes. Lampard much better than Scholes and Essien.
You self JDB you watch one game and want to judge the man. Chelsea had a bad game yesterdayand I am by no means a Chelsea man.
Competition Appearances Goals
Premier 161 44
Champions League 29 9
England 36 10
157 consecutive appearances for Chelsea
I suppose that is the stats of a medicore player.
Frank Lampard is the best player in the EPL right now.
Post by: Benchwarmer on November 02, 2005, 09:51:15 PM
Competition Appearances Goals
Premier 161 44
Champions League 29 9
England 36 10
157 consecutive appearances for Chelsea
I suppose that is the stats of a medicore player.
Frank Lampard is the best player in the EPL right now.
I agree with that...he is the best in the EPL.........with the help of the side he have.....
but in the World??
Post by: Ponnoxx on November 02, 2005, 09:59:17 PM
I SAID RONALDINHO , NOT RONALDO ...I am a Ronaldo fan...nobody ,i mean nobody could surpass or replace him in my eyes...Ronaldo is the Greatest forward ever...And he still have pace to burn and no defense has found a remedy to shut him down....Back on Nov 20 th against Barca...BUt T&T comes first at this time...Nov 12th ....Go T&TRobinho could be better than Ronldinho....He just need a few years...mark my words... Robinho is better at 21 than Ronaldinho than was...He is at a bigger club so it is up to him to soak up the pressure and continue raising his game...
You read back that before you write it.
Boss it eh have no day that that thin foot boy called Robinho could score 35 goals in a season like Ronaldo did.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 02, 2005, 10:02:57 PM
I agree with that...he is the best in the EPL.........with the help of the side he have.....
but in the World??
Ronaldinho have the edge eh but yuh have to give the man credit horse.
As was said in an eralier thread ROnaldinho doh run back and plenty times he does be missing in a game. Lampard is box to box and he doing the same thing Roandinho doing.
He does defend, run at men, free kick and score goals he might not do it with flare but he doing it same way. Doh doubt the man abillity.
Yuh might not like him but yuh go have to respect him.
Post by: kicker on November 02, 2005, 10:07:08 PM
I believe you like boys with long hair and big teeth, you don't know what a true football player is, you must be of this new generation of wannabe football fans because if you analyse the game, Ronaldinho does less than half the things areal player would do but i believe you like him because he's Brazilian and he might beat a few men and leave their backs in a twist but what else does he do??
Horse when yuh come off wha ever yuh smoke before yuh post this....then I will answer yuh.....in fact...plain and simple:
Excellent passer, dribbler & shooter. Great technique, vision and movement. If Ronaldinho went on the free agent's list right now, coaches would literally be fighting to pick up him.
I had the fortune to see him play live for Barca in RFK stadium....The speed and ease at which he performs is mind-boggling...........trust me, he is one of a kind.
Post by: Peong on November 02, 2005, 10:10:43 PM
Stop comparing Lampard and Ronaldinho.
Post by: kicker on November 02, 2005, 10:17:50 PM
Ronaldinho is not really a midfielder. He's an attacker that comes in from deep on the wing. The man does no defensive work, no marking, or tackling.
Stop comparing Lampard and Ronaldinho.
Exactly !! Ronaldinho is a withdrawn forward......his role in a team is way different to Lampard's. Brazil has recently developed such types as Ronaldinho, Rivaldo & Kaka ....attacking players that drop deep and have the ability to create and hence play a psuedo midfield role, but are essentially forwards .......
Baggio was the same type of player
Post by: JDB on November 02, 2005, 10:26:24 PM
As was said in an eralier thread ROnaldinho doh run back and plenty times he does be missing in a game. Lampard is box to box and he doing the same thing Roandinho doing.
He does defend, run at men, free kick and score goals he might not do it with flare but he doing it same way. Doh doubt the man abillity.
Yuh might not like him but yuh go have to respect him.
Box to Box players:
Vieira, Nedved, Davids in his prime.
Nedved probably ranks tghe highest because he is a terror on defense while being the main attacking inspiration at the same time.
Lampard is not a Box to Box player. He is an attacking midfielder. If you believe that Lampard is sharing defensive duties with Maka and Essien then you are not really watchng Chelsea play. Just because he does run back (behind the play) and throw a foot does not mean that he is a box to box player.
Post by: FATZ on November 02, 2005, 10:33:46 PM
Post by: JDB on November 02, 2005, 10:39:04 PM
Ronaldinho plays for about 30 minutes of a game while lampard has to play all game, Ronaldinho is more flare while Lampard is technical and tactical and at the moment Lampard is doing more for his team than Ronaldinho is doing for his.
I done with this one.
Take win pardner, take win.
Post by: FATZ on November 02, 2005, 10:41:05 PM
Ronaldinho plays for about 30 minutes of a game while lampard has to play all game, Ronaldinho is more flare while Lampard is technical and tactical and at the moment Lampard is doing more for his team than Ronaldinho is doing for his.
I done with this one.
Take win pardner, take win.
It's not about anyone winning, it's about dropping points and spreading ideas so if you disagree with what i said about Ronaldinho playing 30 minutes, say so
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 02, 2005, 10:46:38 PM
I was never comparing Ronaldinho and Lampard because they are definitely different players, Ronaldinho plays for about 30 minutes of a game while lampard has to play all game, Ronaldinho is more flare while Lampard is technical and tactical and at the moment Lampard is doing more for his team than Ronaldinho is doing for his.
horse sometimes yuh does make a good point then at other times yuh open yuh mouth and I wonder if is the same person
Post by: kicker on November 02, 2005, 10:48:07 PM
I was never comparing Ronaldinho and Lampard because they are definitely different players, Ronaldinho plays for about 30 minutes of a game while lampard has to play all game, Ronaldinho is more flare while Lampard is technical and tactical and at the moment Lampard is doing more for his team than Ronaldinho is doing for his.
Every player has a role in his team. Both Lampard and Ronaldinho fulfil their roles very very well. Could Lampard be a Ronaldinho- I don't think so. Could Ronaldinho be a Lampard- I think he could if he was groomed in that role.
It doesn't say that one is better than the next. I think Ronaldinho is just more naturally gifted and has developed a style of play that complements his talents.......Lampard has done the same.
At the end of the day, I think "a Lampard" as a proto-type is more coachable than "a Ronaldinho".........and I think that's why the majority of people will love Ronaldinho more than Lampard......because he can do things that people can't imagine themselves or other average players doing.
Post by: Ponnoxx on November 02, 2005, 10:48:57 PM
Post by: FATZ on November 02, 2005, 10:59:22 PM
Post by: Ponnoxx on November 02, 2005, 11:02:34 PM
Post by: FATZ on November 02, 2005, 11:02:42 PM
Post by: Ponnoxx on November 02, 2005, 11:07:00 PM
Post by: fari on November 02, 2005, 11:07:34 PM
Post by: FATZ on November 02, 2005, 11:23:39 PM
better at what-, creating goals, scoring goals, doing pretty beat to tun up man, penetrating runs. u should establish some sort of criteria for comparison
Just reply with what you think and we'll see what the people have to say.
Post by: fari on November 02, 2005, 11:30:45 PM
Post by: duscam on November 02, 2005, 11:32:01 PM
Post by: kicker on November 03, 2005, 08:31:08 AM
Post by: Pointman on November 03, 2005, 11:26:49 AM
soon it will be who's better between liliam thuram and cyd gray:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
boy yuh nearly make meh vomit fus ah laughing so hard. On a more serious note Ah thought about Cyd and Germany and how he go make out wid dem big boys an dem coming down he troat!!
Post by: dumpalewie on November 03, 2005, 11:57:38 AM
If wasn't for that 2yrs off we wouldn't even have to discuss this.
BTW Ronaldinho is a 30-40min player. Just that he is able to take the game to a different planet during that time.
[Kinda like I does tell them girls about my 2min special]
Post by: FATZ on November 04, 2005, 09:33:34 AM
soon it will be who's better between liliam thuram and cyd grayIt might be between me and your padre Kicker.....hahahahaha :rotfl:
Post by: Ponnoxx on November 26, 2005, 01:21:00 PM
tribalfootball.com - November 26, 2005
Juventus director general Luciano Moggi believes Barcelona ace Ronaldinho would struggle in Italy.
"I think that the Brazilian would find it tough over here," the Bianconeri general director stated.
"I prefer Eto'o, a player who I wanted to buy while he was at Mallorca. The problem was that he was owned by Real Madrid and they didn't want to sell him."
This is not my opinion...
Post by: palos on November 26, 2005, 01:26:53 PM
Juventus director general Luciano Moggi believes Barcelona ace Ronaldinho would struggle in Italy.
"I think that the Brazilian would find it tough over here," the Bianconeri general director stated.
LOL. Dat come like the Raptors GM sayin Michael Jordan in he prime not good enough for the Raptors.
Dem fellas real kicksy.... ;D ;D
Post by: canadiantrini on November 26, 2005, 01:30:34 PM
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 26, 2005, 01:32:16 PM
I seem to remember a game against AC milan where 2 of the best defenders ever Nesta and Maldini were left on the ground from a sublime pieve of skill by said Ronaldinho.
He spanner both ah them and shot at goal and scored.
Post by: JDB on November 26, 2005, 01:35:16 PM
Ronaldinho and Eto'o play different positions. Eto'o will compete with Trezeguet, Ronaldinho will compete with Del Piero, who they rate up so much.
If Moggi really believes that Del Piero is better than Ronaldinho then he is a madman or a jackass.
Post by: Carib-Briton on November 26, 2005, 01:35:59 PM
Post by: fari on November 26, 2005, 01:41:29 PM
Post by: andre samuel on November 26, 2005, 01:48:26 PM
after that game next year, dat man going and eat he words!!
Post by: Feliziano on November 26, 2005, 01:53:37 PM
Post by: palos on November 26, 2005, 02:06:27 PM
ITALY vs BRAZIL in de quarterfinals in germany!
after that game next year, dat man going and eat he words!!
U really feel Italy gettin past T&T?
Post by: Grande on November 26, 2005, 02:08:19 PM
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 26, 2005, 02:10:43 PM
Haha...so many Brazilians tearin up Serie A and he go say one of de best right now will struggle? Steups.
ent
when Kaka ready he does be doing people all kind ah wickedness
so who is Ronaldinho
I feel is some kind ah boboll
either mis quote or some trick to get Ronaldinho to come Juventus cause Nedved getting on in years
Post by: !aCkuT on November 26, 2005, 03:06:12 PM
nah sounds like reverse psychology..obviously they baiting him lol..but as Fari said bout the media..we have to see the statement in context within the interview.
Spot on. Ronaldinho has played against some of the best players and teams in the world and routinely made them look ordinary.
Post by: Ponnoxx on November 26, 2005, 04:17:01 PM
Post by: capodetutticapi on November 26, 2005, 04:22:07 PM
Post by: Filho on November 26, 2005, 05:13:34 PM
The man never say that he will not be a hit....I try to find middle ground and i think he means that Ronaldinho will find it harder...eg Ronaldo (when he was younger was the best and most exciting player) found it very hard to adapt to Italy....And Ronaldo was out of this world
Ronaldo never liked the style of italian football......but his first season at Inter his goalscoring record was amazing. He never struggled from a goalscoring point of view, but psychologically he struggled with the stifling tactics. Even after his 2nd comeback from knee surgery he had a great goals per game record...check de stats. he looked like he was going to struggle after his 1st game...when another newcomer called Alvaro Recoba scored a deadly long range double and stole de headlines....press start to get excited only for the fat man to salt dem for the rest of the season.
And allyah musn't get worked up by dese headlines man. First the reporters does always dramatize the headline. Second..it sound like mind games that have nothing to do with Italian League or Italy v Brazil. Man prepping for if Juve meet Barca in the Champion's League. Moggi probably see them as the biggest threat and trying to rub up Eto'o ego and grind up Ronaldinho's. Footballers ahve big egos and jealousy does run rife in a dressing room. He trying to see if he could divide and conquer from within'....dis does go on every year. If Ronaldinho say he wanted to go Juve...Moggi would pay from him form his own personal account and pick de man up from the airport, carry his luggage and wash de man boots after every practice.
Post by: SOBRIQUET on November 26, 2005, 08:45:19 PM
Post by: Ponnoxx on November 27, 2005, 06:43:44 AM
Post by: FATZ on November 27, 2005, 08:00:07 AM
Post by: Marcos on November 27, 2005, 08:19:52 AM
when barca plays dem he will use this as motivation and rip them to shreds
del piero, ibrahimovic, trezequet.....???
none of those men could hold a candle to ronaldinho
italians feel their league is the best when this is no longer the case
they just pissed cuz la liga and th eepl receive more attention and probbaly more money than they do nowadays
Post by: Jahyouth on November 27, 2005, 09:54:41 AM
Just like Pele was the greatest in his era (late 60s - mid 70s) and Maradona "run the route" from mid 80s - early 90s, is Ronaldinho the BEST of his era? And in extension, does his name now warrant mention with Pele and Maradona as one of the greatest ever to put on a pair of football boots?
Post by: SHOTTA on November 27, 2005, 10:00:13 AM
ITALY vs BRAZIL in de quarterfinals in germany!
after that game next year, dat man going and eat he words!!
U really feel Italy gettin past T&T?
we go be in one a d nex quarterfinals tnt england who we go beat 3-2
Post by: skins on November 27, 2005, 10:01:04 AM
Post by: dumpalewie on November 27, 2005, 10:08:21 AM
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Post by: Trini on November 27, 2005, 11:02:54 AM
Post by: truetrini on November 27, 2005, 11:25:15 AM
talk up your player as if he better dan de best...good for loyalty..good for pride.
Post by: truetrini on November 27, 2005, 11:27:22 AM
In my opinion, if I was a coach and I had a choice between him now and a Zidane at his prime, I would not even give him a second thought.
yuh tough dey trini...but I must agree..zizou is ah slight cut above!
Post by: Feliziano on November 27, 2005, 11:41:23 AM
after Ronaldinho contribute massively to a WC..then i will rate him up..like allyuh ent remeber Ronaldo had 'issues' in France..the same could happen to Ronaldihno next year.
Post by: real madness on November 27, 2005, 11:44:14 AM
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 27, 2005, 12:48:34 PM
After the next WC, Ronaldinho will be on the same level or higher than Zidane in his prime. He has to lead Brazil to a WC win to be considered great.
horse you ever see Zizou resume
if yuh didi yuh wouldnt be talking so much shit
while I think in 5 years time he could be in that elite club now the only person that deserves that rating is Zizou.
I mean I saw maradonna play when I was 8 and 9 but didint really appreciate then as I do now.
But with the advent of cable and internet I saw Zizou at his best and I think if you get a healthy, rested Zizou all now it go be real tonic. Cause even the match this week in the CL he was tunning up men.
I have faith in Ronaldinho though he go do it.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 27, 2005, 01:13:00 PM
Silky-smooth Barcelona striker Ronaldinho is being tipped to win the 50th European footballer of the year award at a ceremony here on Monday.
The Brazilian, whose mesmerising ball skills and two goals in a 3-0 win over arch rivals Real Madrid two weeks ago left even the Santiago Bernabeu fans in applause, would succeed Ukrainian striker Andriy Shevchenko of AC Milan.
Also in with a chance of winning the award, given to a Europe-based player deemed to have performed the best over the previous year, are Chelsea forward Frank Lampard and Liverpool's Steven Gerrard.
Gerrard, Liverpool's main midfield workhorse and a capable goalscorer for the Reds, inspired the Anfield Road club to victory throughout their triumphant Champions League campaign last season when they ended up beating AC Milan on spot kicks in the final.
However Liverpool's failure to shine in the English Premiership both last season and currently may go against the England international.
Lampard, who seems to have blossomed under the guidance of Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho, helped inspire the Stamford Bridge club to victory in the Premiership last season, their first such title in over 50 years.
It remains to be seen if their contribution to their clubs' respective successes proves enough to convince the panel of judges, which is made up of prominent European football journalists.
Also in with a shout of what is regarded as Europe's most prestigious player award - won for the first time by Stanley Matthews of Blackpool in 1956 - is Arsenal striker Thierry Henry, who has never won it, Shevchenko, and Cameroonian Samuel Eto'o, also of Barcelona.
However Ronaldinho's special brand of football, which helped Barcelona to the Spanish league title last season and Brazil to victory in the Confederations Cup, has tipped the balance in his favour.
Ronaldinho has already been voted Fifa's World Player of the year, in 2004, and this year was given the FIFpro award.
If successful he would become the third Brazilian to win the 'Golden Ball' trophy after compatriots Ronaldo (1997 when he played for Inter Milan and in 2002 with Real Madrid) and Rivaldo (1999 when he played for Barcelona).
Three players share the record of having won the award three times.
Dutch striker Johan Cruyff won it while with Ajax in 1971, 1973 and 1974, Frenchman Michel Platini won it while with Juventus in 1983, 1984 and 1985 and Dutchman Marco Van Basten won it in 1988, 1989 and 1992 while playing for AC Milan.
Courtesy AFP
Post by: Filho on November 27, 2005, 01:35:38 PM
Ronaldo is my player....Even all now...I rather watch him than anyone else....(Although Robinho will be the best next two years!!!) Filho the fact that Ronaldo had to comeback should tell you something...
yeah...but not what you think....Ronaldo had to comeback from two season-ending knee injuries that had nothing to do with how tough the italian league was but due to his physiology. It wasn't bad tackles that mash him up, but the way he is built and how he runs that destroyed his knee...twice.
look...everyone knows that the Italian league is a very tough league, especially for forwards. Not nearly as open and attack-minded as the Spanish league...(note however that Ronaldo's goal per game ratio in Italy is higher than his goals per game in Spain...he scored 50 goals in 66 serie A games....more than 3 goals every 4 games) Moggi just stating the obvious by saying Ronaldinho may struggle there. Nobody would bat an eyelid when he says that. Where I feel he playing mind-games is by saying he preferes Eto'o. He is saying Eto'o is less likely to struggle or would struggle less to adapt. Maybe so....but by picking a Barca teammate to praise he is possibly try to play their egos off each other. Or even get Ronaldinho thinking that he needs to prove himself in Italy to be really considered great. If he ever thought about leaving Spain..Juve would be on his doortsep begging. And doh forget the first thing I said...the press is always looking to hype everything up...Moggi nightn't ah even be trying no mind games...but these fellas have so much experience with the press and doing this year in year out. I really feel he playing games.
Post by: real madness on November 27, 2005, 01:40:51 PM
Everybody entitled to their opinion..since my opinion is different from yours, that means I talking shit...so your opinion is the gospel..congrats to u.
Post by: Jumbie on November 27, 2005, 01:52:52 PM
Post by: truetrini on November 27, 2005, 01:58:00 PM
Pele will always be Pele (the comparison/measuring stick) so to Maradona.. but in my personal opinion Ronaldinho could be mentioned in the same sentence with pele and maradona.. watch for RON to run the next WC..if Brazil can get by (with a bit of luck it's possible) the SOCA WARRIORS!
what yardstick yuh using dis time?
steups..yuh drink too muck moonshine las night or what?
No way..no how..not yet
Post by: FF on November 27, 2005, 02:01:32 PM
Pele & Maradona
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Zidane
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Everybody Else
Ronaldinho right now looking like de man most likely to join Zidane in tha second tier... in de next few years..... in about 8 years we could look back and see how far he reach... if he pass zidane or not
Post by: dutchman on November 27, 2005, 02:03:04 PM
Italy is tougher then Spain but let be real Barca plays F O O T ball.
van Basten was completly destroyed, he should never had gone Italy but Barca.
But back then serie A ruled, now lets face it serie A is in big mess.
Many clubs are bankrupt or almost finished, all this because there is not many people going to the stadium.
So they can talk what they want but worlds best players aren't really interested to go serie_A now.
Who goes Italy in the last year ?
Zlatan Ibrahimvocs ? who else ?
Right now Premier league & Spain rule.
Thats what I think.
I do think Italy can reach real far on WC with their super strong Toni guy.
btw: he bought Zlatan for a bargain but it isn't really that he had to do a lot of scouting for that ( Like Don Leo) everyone knew already Zlatan at Ajax and his capabilities and superb. phisical strenght. I find it easy to brag about the people who he tried to buy in the past and surprize E'To is good now, very good...
But why didn't he buy ETO from Real before Barca did ?
IF HE REALLY WANTED HIM, HOW HARD IS IT TO FOLLOW THE GUY ?
Wouldn't Real had preffered to sell him to a foreign club ?
You see, if you ask yourself these questions then he doesn't look that smart anymore.
Post by: !aCkuT on November 27, 2005, 02:11:16 PM
Post by: Filho on November 27, 2005, 02:14:44 PM
After the next WC, Ronaldinho will be on the same level or higher than Zidane in his prime. He has to lead Brazil to a WC win to be considered great.
I don't think Zidane in his prime was any better than Ronaldinho now. Zidane just (and still does) have a better style and I really believe his gracefulness is a large part of why he is considered so great. Zidane is one of my favorite players...but in my opinion, Ronaldinho is more effective and more dangerous as an attacking player. He definitely scores more goals for club and country and I think he has more of a cutting edge when on the ball and has just as much skill as Zidane. At international level he has won just as much as Zidane (1 WC, 2 Copa Americas, 1 Confed Cup) and his effect on Brazil winning WC 2002 is greater than most realize. Rivaldo and Ronaldo dominated the headlines because they scored a bucket-load of goals but Brazil would have won nothing without Ronaldinho. Think back to the England game...he made Rivaldo's goal and scored the second...He was their best player in the final too. Ronaldo would have scored 5 goals against Germany if he had finished the hattrick of chances Ronaldinho put on a plate for him in the first half.
Zizou at the same time didn't have that great an effect on France winning WC 1998. He played poorly against Chile when they needed a golden goal by Laurent Blanc to win. Got a red card and had little effect on France's penalty shootout win over Italy and none on the win over Croatia in the Semifinals. His 2 goals against Brazil (both from poor marking by Leonardo at corners and not Zidane's actuall skill) is what people remember....but the WC is won over a tourney. To me..he became the greatest after Euro 2002. He was just deadly in that tourney. Truly the greatest since Maradona.
The suggestion that someone has to dominate a WC and win it to be considered the greatest confuses me. Zidane never dominated a WC...he arguably dominated the final game. Since Euro 2000, he has since been a memeber of the worst team to try to defend its WC title (not his fault...he was injured) and had a mediocre Euro 2004. Does this take the gleam off his greatness...not at all. Because football is more than just tournaments. Cruyff was arguable the best in the generation before Zico, and Zico was the best in his generation before Maradona...but Cruyff and Zico won zero WCs. Not sure why people feel Ronaldinho has to dominate the WC to be considered the best player of his generation? WC is too often about form (Schilacci anyone?). Form is temporary...class is forever. Ronaldinho and Zidane's class transcends what they may or may not do at a WC tournament
Post by: Trini on November 27, 2005, 02:15:13 PM
Men does forget the greatness that was Zizou.
Ronaldinho have plenty to prove to get onto Zidane tier.
Just watch some of them kinda goal Zidane score for France and Real, lard....
The ony many who show brief glimpses of Zidane touch was Rivaldo.
Ronaldinho has the potential to be great as well, but he aint turn in the kinda quality performances week in week out over years yet, much less lead Brazil singlehandedly to a WC title.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 27, 2005, 02:21:46 PM
France National Team:
* Semi-Finalist, FIFA European Nations cup, 1996.
* Champion, FIFA World Cup, France 1998.
* Champion, King Hassan II Tournament, Morocco 1998, 2000.
* Champion, FIFA European Nations cup (Euro 2000).
Italy Championship:
* Winner of the Italian Supercup, Italy 1997.
* Champion, Scudetto, Serie A, Italy 1997.
* Champion, Scudetto, Serie A, Italy 1998.
* Runner-up, Scudetto, Serie A, Italy 2000.
* Runner-up, Scudetto, Serie A, Italy 2001.
Spain Championship:
* Winner of La Liga, Spain 2003.
European Club Championships:
* Runner-up, UEFA Cup 1996 with Bordeaux.
* Winner of the European Super Cup in 1996 with Juventus.
* Winner of the Intercontinental Cup in 1996 with Juventus.
* Runner-up, UEFA Champions League 1997 with Juventus.
* Runner-up, UEFA Champions League 1998 with Juventus.
* Winner of the UEFA Champions League 2001 with Real Madrid.
* Winner of the Intercontinental Cup in 2002 with Real Madrid.
* Winner of the European Super Cup in 2002 with Real Madrid.
Individual:
* Voted Best Young Player in France in 1994.
* FIFA World Footballer of the Year - 3rd, 1997
* Golden Ball Award, 1998.
* FIFA European Footballer of the year, 1998.
* FIFA World Footballer of the Year, 1998
* FIFA European Footballer of the Year, 2000
* FIFA World Footballer of the Year, 2000
* FIFA All star team: WC 1998, Euro 2000
* FIFA World Footballer of the Year, 2003
* FIFA All star team: Euro 2004
* Named to the FIFA 100, a list of the best 100 living footballers in the world, by Pele
* Voted by UEFA as best European Player in last 50 years, June 2004
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As evident from the list above, Zizou has won all the awards any football player could ever dream of winning, whether as an individual or a team, and whether with club or nation. No player is as accomplished as Zinedine Zidane.
Post by: Jumbie on November 27, 2005, 02:24:56 PM
Pele will always be Pele (the comparison/measuring stick) so to Maradona.. but in my personal opinion Ronaldinho could be mentioned in the same sentence with pele and maradona.. watch for RON to run the next WC..if Brazil can get by (with a bit of luck it's possible) the SOCA WARRIORS!
what yardstick yuh using dis time?
steups..yuh drink too muck moonshine las night or what?
No way..no how..not yet
hull your tail eh!.. you horn trini man with potato roti...now you come trying thing wid me..me eh want Triniinfinte to crank call me bout losing he lova eh!...... allyuh f**kas drink last night again? Ah hear real music in the background.
Post by: Jumbie on November 27, 2005, 02:29:10 PM
Post by: FF on November 27, 2005, 02:30:27 PM
Since man beating dong the Zizane thing..why not compare what Zizou accomplished at the same time in age as Ron..
This would be an exercise in futility... that is why I say in about 8 years we could look back and see where Ronaldinho reach
Post by: Filho on November 27, 2005, 02:35:05 PM
Boss post FF.
Men does forget the greatness that was Zizou.
Ronaldinho have plenty to prove to get onto Zidane tier.
Just watch some of them kinda goal Zidane score for France and Real, lard....
The ony many who show brief glimpses of Zidane touch was Rivaldo.
Ronaldinho has the potential to be great as well, but he aint turn in the kinda quality performances week in week out over years yet, much less lead Brazil singlehandedly to a WC title.
i eh trying to beat dong Zidane. De man is the greatest since Maradona...but for real.....when did zidane single-handedly win France a WC? Maradona probably did, but not even Pele did that. imho Zidane was very disappointing in WC 98 until the final. i have to agree though...you cyah talk too much about man greatness until he passes through most of his career. zidane has proven himself due to his excellence over a greater period of time....but Ronaldinho's best is still up there with anything Zidane in terms of sheer individual talent and ability...
Post by: truetrini on November 27, 2005, 02:46:44 PM
Boss post FF.
Men does forget the greatness that was Zizou.
Ronaldinho have plenty to prove to get onto Zidane tier.
Just watch some of them kinda goal Zidane score for France and Real, lard....
The ony many who show brief glimpses of Zidane touch was Rivaldo.
Ronaldinho has the potential to be great as well, but he aint turn in the kinda quality performances week in week out over years yet, much less lead Brazil singlehandedly to a WC title.
i eh trying to beat dong Zidane. De man is the greatest since Maradona...but for real.....when did zidane single-handedly win France a WC? Maradona probably did, but not even Pele did that. imho Zidane was very disappointing in WC 98 until the final. i have to agree though...you cyah talk too much about man greatness until he passes through most of his career. zidane has proven himself due to his excellence over a greater period of time....but Ronaldinho's best is still up there with anything Zidane in terms of sheer individual talent and ability...
breds ah understand what yuh saying bout maradona, but he DID NOT win anything singlehandedly!
Nutten.
Now if yuh say he was inspiring..brilliant and instrumental...but deiitly not singlehnadedly.
he eh stop de opposition from scoring, he eh make no saves and he eh make all de plays.
still the WC belonged to him..if yuh get meh drift. He probably did not have a supporting cast as good as many other teams ...except battygol
Post by: kicker on November 27, 2005, 02:50:49 PM
Boss post FF.
Men does forget the greatness that was Zizou.
Ronaldinho have plenty to prove to get onto Zidane tier.
Just watch some of them kinda goal Zidane score for France and Real, lard....
The ony many who show brief glimpses of Zidane touch was Rivaldo.
Ronaldinho has the potential to be great as well, but he aint turn in the kinda quality performances week in week out over years yet, much less lead Brazil singlehandedly to a WC title.
i eh trying to beat dong Zidane. De man is the greatest since Maradona...but for real.....when did zidane single-handedly win France a WC? Maradona probably did, but not even Pele did that. imho Zidane was very disappointing in WC 98 until the final. i have to agree though...you cyah talk too much about man greatness until he passes through most of his career. zidane has proven himself due to his excellence over a greater period of time....but Ronaldinho's best is still up there with anything Zidane in terms of sheer individual talent and ability...
breds ah understand what yuh saying bout maradona, but he DID NOT win anything singlehandedly!
Nutten.
Now if yuh say he was inspiring..brilliant and instrumental...but deiitly not singlehnadedly.
he eh stop de opposition from scoring, he eh make no saves and he eh make all de plays.
still the WC belonged to him..if yuh get meh drift. He probably did not have a supporting cast as good as many other teams ...except battygol
Just for your information:
When Maradonna won the world cup Battygol was not on the team.............
I agree though that football is a team sport and no one wins anything single-handedly.......who is the best is very subjective....plus you cannot judge a players strictly by what championships his team wins or else Christian Karembeau would be one of the best players on earth having won both a world championship and Euro championship with France and the champions league with madrid....
It's all a matter of taste.....
Post by: Filho on November 27, 2005, 03:05:22 PM
breds ah understand what yuh saying bout maradona, but he DID NOT win anything singlehandedly!
Nutten.
Now if yuh say he was inspiring..brilliant and instrumental...but deiitly not singlehnadedly.
he eh stop de opposition from scoring, he eh make no saves and he eh make all de plays.
still the WC belonged to him..if yuh get meh drift. He probably did not have a supporting cast as good as many other teams ...except battygol
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you los' me dere bredda. first off... i assume that men have enough sense to know that the term 'single-handedly' is a metaphor and we using it in the context of having such great influence it was AS IF he did it by himself. having said that, my point is that Zidane's individual contribution to France 1998 was not nearly so great as to say he single-handedly won it for France. i said, in passing, that Maradona PROBABLY did, just to make a point that his individual influence on Argentina is seen by many in that light. It is a metaphor...kinda like when you say 'the WC belonged to him'. i didn't know that Maradona owned the WC?...get my drift?
oh yeah...and Battygol didn't play in 86
Post by: marcus on November 27, 2005, 03:37:29 PM
Post by: JDB on November 27, 2005, 03:43:49 PM
He needs to have a full career before you can judge that.
Football is very fickle. Maro and Pele are remembered because of their consistent gretness over their entire career. They were the "it" men throughout their careers, even though at different times they had competition.
What if, in two years time, everything for Barca is going through Messi because he eclipses Ronaldinho, is he still the best of his generation?
Same thing goes for if another player emerges. Only time will tel if he can match those two guys.
Post by: truetrini on November 27, 2005, 03:47:49 PM
breds ah understand what yuh saying bout maradona, but he DID NOT win anything singlehandedly!
Nutten.
Now if yuh say he was inspiring..brilliant and instrumental...but deiitly not singlehnadedly.
he eh stop de opposition from scoring, he eh make no saves and he eh make all de plays.
still the WC belonged to him..if yuh get meh drift. He probably did not have a supporting cast as good as many other teams ...except battygolQuote
you los' me dere bredda. first off... i assume that men have enough sense to know that the term 'single-handedly' is a metaphor and we using it in the context of having such great influence it was AS IF he did it by himself. having said that, my point is that Zidane's individual contribution to France 1998 was not nearly so great as to say he single-handedly won it for France. i said, in passing, that Maradona PROBABLY did, just to make a point that his individual influence on Argentina is seen by many in that light. It is a metaphor...kinda like when you say 'the WC belonged to him'. i didn't know that Maradona owned the WC?...get my drift?
oh yeah...and Battygol didn't play in 86
hey I understand metaphor.,, and what yuh say no way qualifies as metaphor...!
But ask Brazil who won de wc in France
Post by: marcus on November 27, 2005, 03:47:53 PM
And he will never play for clubs like Juve, Real and Man U, he likes to enjoy the game too much and these clubs have other agendas...
When ManU wanted him and was offering more money, I think he choose Barca because of its more relaxed front office and the fact that his family can integrate more in the spanish country....
For Ronaldinho this game is more than just money, its about free flowing football, stylish play and fun... Some owners and managers have lost this.... i.e. alex ferguson
Post by: dutchman on November 27, 2005, 04:27:44 PM
Ronaldinho won't even think about this comment...
I just saw Juve play... that Del Alpi is almost empty again.
I totally agree Marcus.
He sounds just stupid & poor.
You must be out of your head to exchange Barca or Real for an empty cold Del Alpi.
Post by: Filho on November 27, 2005, 04:45:06 PM
hey I understand metaphor.,, and what yuh say no way qualifies as metaphor...!
But ask Brazil who won de wc in France
how is it not metaphorical?
anyway, you are taking the statement literally and obvioulsy you shouldn't...that is all. Or does the World Cup still 'belong' to Maradona ???
You seem only interested in winning an argument that does not exist, so now you've become belligerent. Tell me, who really thinks a single player wins a game, much less a tournament, by himself/herself.
I am a big Zidane fan but think he didn't do anything to suggest he was that great until the final game in WC 1998. I disagreed that he won the tournament 'singlehandedly' for France. Simply my opinion on a topic not meant to be taken literally. So exactly what is your problem? Or are you just embarrased that you thought Batigol played in WC 1986?
Post by: Grande on November 27, 2005, 05:01:52 PM
Ronaldo is my player....Even all now...I rather watch him than anyone else....(Although Robinho will be the best next two years!!!) Filho the fact that Ronaldo had to comeback should tell you something...The league is not easy for a very skilful player...not because of he not making a impact but because defenders rather destroy you than look bad...Ronaldinho don't have to prove himself to anybody...But i agree with the Moggi when he says it will be more difficult(but in terms of the kind of tackles they allow)....Go T&T
Only since Adriano are Inter fans finally forgetting about Ronaldo.
Post by: dutchman on November 27, 2005, 05:23:01 PM
Serie A not good enough for Ronaldinho ;D
I have no trouble with his first comment, but his second that he prefers ETO... Moggi who ?
Post by: kicker on November 27, 2005, 08:13:21 PM
Zidane's performance in WC 98 is not a shadow of Maradonna's in '86
Zidane is great, and will leave an unforgettable mark on World Football. but if you judge his greatness off of his W.C. '98 performance you are either
1. illiterate about football
2. A waggonist ;D
3. a sucker to hype
4. just have a bad memory
In terms of Talent, Ronaldinho is up there with anyone.....if he continues to have the influence on the game that he has now for the next few years to come......it would be unfair to not put him in the class as the best ever (including Zidane).
Post by: kicker on November 27, 2005, 08:21:04 PM
Believe it or not, Ronaldo (not Zidane) was the MVP of World Cup '98......just checked the stats.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 27, 2005, 08:28:28 PM
the most important part was this
Zizou has won all the awards any football player could ever dream of winning, whether as an individual or a team, and whether with club or nation. No player is as accomplished as Zinedine Zidane.
individual or team
club or nation
Post by: Jah Gol on November 27, 2005, 08:31:41 PM
On talent alone I would rank him alongside Pele and Maradona.I don't like comparing Pele and Maradona because they played different positions and in different eras and different tactics etc. In this era of football, defense is a major priority and a lot of games could just be boring,tight and unproductive. Ask yourself the question 0-0, 5 mins to go who you want on the ball Ronaldinho now or Zidane in his prime? I would chose Ronaldinho any day of the week. Barring a long term injury he will prove himself to be the greatest player of this era.
Post by: FATZ on November 27, 2005, 08:47:55 PM
Ronaldinho is nothing in defense but honestly he not on the field to defend. The man dominates the attack like no other player. Not Rivaldo not even Zidane dominates as much as this man. How many times have seen defenders backing off of Zidane or absolutely petrified to chook a foot. The man is in a class of his own. For the Zidane fans out there I'm not saying that Zidane is not a brilliant player but Ronaldinho's class is a cut above the rest.
On talent alone I would rank him alongside Pele and Maradona.I don't like comparing Pele and Maradona because they played different positions and in different eras and different tactics etc. In this era of football, defense is a major priority and a lot of games could just be boring,tight and unproductive. Ask yourself the question 0-0, 5 mins to go who you want on the ball Ronaldinho now or Zidane in his prime? I would chose Ronaldinho any day of the week. Barring a long term injury he will prove himself to be the greatest player of this era.
0-0 and 5 minutes to go, Zidane will do it any day in front of Ronaldinho, ask England and ask Sociadad(his latest victim), i've seen Ronaldinho choke more times than Zidane in that kind of position.
Post by: morvant on November 27, 2005, 08:50:01 PM
ah feel he take ah gal from yuh
Post by: kicker on November 27, 2005, 08:53:12 PM
0-0 and 5 minutes to go, Zidane will do it any day in front of Ronaldinho, ask England and ask Sociadad(his latest victim), i've seen Ronaldinho choke more times than Zidane in that kind of position.
I agree Zidane is a clutch player but.........
Give some examples of Ronaldinho choking in that situation.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 27, 2005, 08:54:17 PM
in the clutch Zizou pull out some winners
he put tears in Beckham eyes with that freekick
Post by: FATZ on November 27, 2005, 08:56:06 PM
FATZ you rell hate ronaldinho boy
ah feel he take ah gal from yuh
The man good yuh know, i not saying that he shit but judging from what i have seen, i'll take Zidane in the last 5 minutes instead of him. Ronaldinho had me jumping up quite a few times especially the goal he scored against Chelsea but Zidane just looks better on the ball, he has better close control than Ronaldinho and just looks more graceful.
Post by: FATZ on November 27, 2005, 08:59:32 PM
0-0 and 5 minutes to go, Zidane will do it any day in front of Ronaldinho, ask England and ask Sociadad(his latest victim), i've seen Ronaldinho choke more times than Zidane in that kind of position.
I agree Zidane is a clutch player but.........
Give some examples of Ronaldinho choking in that situation.
I can't remember the exact times and plays but last season i remember some games when he got free kicks close in and scuffed the chance. Why don't you tell me some crunch time goals from Ronaldinho and we'll see how it compares to Zidane.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 27, 2005, 09:15:15 PM
http://www2.uol.com.br/cbf/videos/site/20051111_1.html
Post by: kicker on November 27, 2005, 09:31:47 PM
I can't remember the exact times and plays but last season i remember some games when he got free kicks close in and scuffed the chance. Why don't you tell me some crunch time goals from Ronaldinho and we'll see how it compares to Zidane.
I never denied that Zidane is a clutch player...I am a huge fan of Zidane (check my avatar).......and I like Ronaldinho too and never claimed that Ronaldinho is the best clutch player,
......but iz people like you who like to buss up yuh mouth and make unsubstantiated claims (I've seen Ronaldinho choke blah blah blah.....and then yuh can't give one solid example).....Like Zidane never missed a free kick late in a game.....friggin' annoying
If yuh talkin' facts, talk facts.....otherwise save yuh ray ray and rah rah for the street corner...........
Post by: FATZ on November 27, 2005, 09:39:57 PM
I can't remember the exact times and plays but last season i remember some games when he got free kicks close in and scuffed the chance. Why don't you tell me some crunch time goals from Ronaldinho and we'll see how it compares to Zidane.
I never denied that Zidane is a clutch player...I am a huge fan of Zidane (check my avatar).......and I like Ronaldinho too and never claimed that Ronaldinho is the best clutch player,
......but iz people like you who like to buss up yuh mouth and make unsubstantiated claims (I've seen Ronaldinho choke blah blah blah.....and then yuh can't give one solid example).....Like Zidane never missed a free kick late in a game.....friggin' annoying
If yuh talkin' facts, talk facts.....otherwise save yuh ray ray and rah rah for the street corner...........
I wouldn't waste my time but why don't you tell me times when Ronaldinho come through in clutch as i said before. I know i can remember about Ronaldinho hitting the wall in a free kick late in a game last season but i can't remember the exact game; SO WHAT but the main fact that i can't remember him actually hitting a crunch time winner says a lot because i can remember Zidane doing it on more than one occasion. So you could sit on that Madrid logo and see what happens because you can't even say when he produced
Post by: kicker on November 27, 2005, 10:06:59 PM
I wouldn't waste my time but why don't you tell me times when Ronaldinho come through in clutch as i said before. I know i can remember about Ronaldinho hitting the wall in a free kick late in a game last season but i can't remember the exact game; SO WHAT but the main fact that i can't remember him actually hitting a crunch time winner says a lot because i can remember Zidane doing it on more than one occasion. So you could sit on that Madrid logo and see what happens because you can't even say when he produced
You were correct in pointing out Zidane as a clutch player......
Your doubting Ronaldinho's ability to come through in the clutch is also reasonable, because he hasn't had the high profile clutch plays that Zidane has.......you were fine up to there
But then when you audaciously claim that Ronaldinho chokes in big situations, and can't give an example....you relegate yourself to the loud mouth on the street corner....there is no need to fabricate or make false claims about Ronaldinho to prove Zidane's worth.....the world knows Zidane is the best (or one of)....
You don't know me, so you can't claim to know anything about my knowledge of Zidane and what he produces....and this isn't about you and me 'cause I don't know you either....... it's about you not being able to put your money where your mouth is,..........so making incorrect assumptions about my knowledge of football and commenting on my Madrid logo, apart from immature, is also unwarranted and besides the point.........
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 27, 2005, 10:18:56 PM
Although Diego Armando Maradona didn't hesitate in affirming to Catalan paper 'El Mundo Deportivo' that "Ronaldinho has inherited my throne" after seeing the Gaúcho force the Santiago Bernabéu stadium into a repeat of the sort of applause last squeezed out of Merengues when 'El Pibe' visited the Madrid coliseum in his 1980's Azulgrana shirt, Pelé is holding back.
'O Rei', who recently buried the hatchet with his Argentinean counterpart on Maradona's TV show 'La Noche Del Diez', surprised some with his downplaying of the status many fans and pundits have awarded Ronaldinho Gaúcho: the best footballer in the world. In declarations that could be either interpreted as commendable prudence or outright jealousy, Pelé was economical with his praise.
"Right now he may be the best in the world, but Brazil produces a lot of great players. We shouldn't forget athletes like Zico, Sócrates and Falcão. Romário was fantastic when he played in Spain (Barcelona / Valencia) and Holland (PSV Eindhoven). These are phases. He's been giving us a lot of happiness with his play recently, but we need more time to decide", commented the King.
Marco Antonio Parizotto, a marketing exec responsible for exploiting the Pelé trademark over the next 40 years, was rather too scathing in his attempt to raise 'O Rei' by giving Ronaldinho a rather undeserved kick in his pearly whites. "As soon as Ronaldinho stops playing the whole world will forget him. Pelé is a myth, even 30 years later" the rather aggressive suit blared to local reporters.
Pelé seems to have (unwittingly?) used the current Ronaldinho frenzy to pump his own financial interests. After all, the objective of the partnership of the 'athlete of the 20th century' with Parizotto's 'Prime Licenciamentos e Participações' (the name of the marketing firm) is to exploit the pulling power of Pelé as the genuine Brazilian number 10 of all time.
Highlighting the glaringly obvious point rather unnecessarily, Parizotto lashed out again. "Pelé is the owner of the number 10. Before him it was just a number. Businesses will have to bow down to the fact. Thanks to Pelé, the number 10 is used by the best in the world today." Although crude, rude and driven by lust for lucre, perhaps the yuppie has a point behind all the snarling.
Ronaldinho has only really been at the forefront of football for two years. Despite forming part of the 2002 World Cup winning seleção, Dinho took a back seat to both Ronaldo and Rivaldo. At PSG he marvelled from time to time, but was criticised by many as a 'jongleur' (juggler) rather than a decisive, objective player. Even at Barça his first six months were a let down for some still stinging at Madrid's "robbery" of Beckham - let's not forget that Ronaldinho was Joan Laporta's 'Plan B'.
So it's only really been since January 2004 that Ronaldinho has managed to hone his game to a level where he strikes a mix of fear, awe and respect into all adversaries honest enough to admit it. In other words: coming up to 24 months at the top. To already put him shoulder-to-shoulder with either Pelé or Maradona does seem rash in this light - the Gaúcho is just getting started in comparison.
The number 10 is more associated with Diego or Edson due to the cumulative decades they spent wowing football fans all over the world and the truckloads of trophies they helped haul in for their clubs and countries. Ronaldinho missed the Grêmio golden age, was a novelty in a PSG overshadowed by Monaco and Olympique Lyon, and may be about to fill Camp Nou's trophy room to the brim, but has only bagged a single piece of silverware in the 'Ciutat Condal' to date.
Then again, who can deny that in today's globalised context Ronaldinho is even more closely associated with number 10 by millions who never even saw Maradona or Pelé so much as touch a ball (the above photo excepted)? Every breathtaking move he makes is repeated across the world, every goal lovingly replayed in hundreds of countries, commented on in dozens of languages.
Pelé started in the days when football was recorded in shaky black-and-white celluloid; Diego was fizzling out on white powder when the internet was still a geeky baby; Ronaldinho Gaúcho is entering his prime in a time of ADSL lines, digital photography, multiple camera angle cable channels, hi-definition TV, phones with built-in mpeg cameras and an internet that spans the globe to include hundreds of millions of people.
It's no wonder that Ronaldinho's got a higher profile given our media-saturated modern life. Not to mention money. Whereas Pelé's magic was remunerated appallingly and Maradona's earnings would pale into insignificance compared to mediocre modern professionals, Ronaldinho - in common with other modern-day sports stars - earns more money that he could spend in a lifetime. Pelé, on the other hand, is still grafting away almost 30 years after retiring from the pitch.
That brings us back to Pelé. Is he suffering from 'dor de cotovelo' (literally elbow pain; but meaning jealousy) about the fact that Ronaldinho has already amassed a fortune whereas he's having to consort with people like Parizotto despite playing sublime football for almost two decades at the highest level? Or is he right: are we prematurely going beyond his current status and deifying Ronaldinho before time?
Post by: Filho on November 27, 2005, 11:07:30 PM
until then you hadda just say he showing that he have the potential to be a legend
Post by: FATZ on November 27, 2005, 11:14:28 PM
I wouldn't waste my time but why don't you tell me times when Ronaldinho come through in clutch as i said before. I know i can remember about Ronaldinho hitting the wall in a free kick late in a game last season but i can't remember the exact game; SO WHAT but the main fact that i can't remember him actually hitting a crunch time winner says a lot because i can remember Zidane doing it on more than one occasion. So you could sit on that Madrid logo and see what happens because you can't even say when he produced
You were correct in pointing out Zidane as a clutch player......
Your doubting Ronaldinho's ability to come through in the clutch is also reasonable, because he hasn't had the high profile clutch plays that Zidane has.......you were fine up to there
But then when you audaciously claim that Ronaldinho chokes in big situations, and can't give an example....you relegate yourself to the loud mouth on the street corner....there is no need to fabricate or make false claims about Ronaldinho to prove Zidane's worth.....the world knows Zidane is the best (or one of)....
You don't know me, so you can't claim to know anything about my knowledge of Zidane and what he produces....and this isn't about you and me 'cause I don't know you either....... it's about you not being able to put your money where your mouth is,..........so making incorrect assumptions about my knowledge of football and commenting on my Madrid logo, apart from immature, is also unwarranted and besides the point.........
I was never doubting your knowledge on Zidane, i was telling you to tell me when Ronaldinho produced and i did see him choke in crunch and hopefully i'll be able to find someone who did too and who recalls the game. You just screwed up my words in saying that i said how he chokes inbig situatonsbecause i said i saw him do it in a game or 2 last season.
Post by: FATZ on November 27, 2005, 11:16:43 PM
I wouldn't waste my time but why don't you tell me times when Ronaldinho come through in clutch as i said before. I know i can remember about Ronaldinho hitting the wall in a free kick late in a game last season but i can't remember the exact game; SO WHAT but the main fact that i can't remember him actually hitting a crunch time winner says a lot because i can remember Zidane doing it on more than one occasion. So you could sit on that Madrid logo and see what happens because you can't even say when he produced
You were correct in pointing out Zidane as a clutch player......
Your doubting Ronaldinho's ability to come through in the clutch is also reasonable, because he hasn't had the high profile clutch plays that Zidane has.......you were fine up to there
But then when you audaciously claim that Ronaldinho chokes in big situations, and can't give an example....you relegate yourself to the loud mouth on the street corner....there is no need to fabricate or make false claims about Ronaldinho to prove Zidane's worth.....the world knows Zidane is the best (or one of)....
You don't know me, so you can't claim to know anything about my knowledge of Zidane and what he produces....and this isn't about you and me 'cause I don't know you either....... it's about you not being able to put your money where your mouth is,..........so making incorrect assumptions about my knowledge of football and commenting on my Madrid logo, apart from immature, is also unwarranted and besides the point.........
Chelsea vs Barcelona, he got a free kick late in the game from close range and hit into the wall i think. Tell me if you can't remember that.
Post by: kicker on November 27, 2005, 11:28:46 PM
Chelsea vs Barcelona, he got a free kick late in the game from close range and hit into the wall i think. Tell me if you can't remember that.
hey take win................Ronaldinho has choked in big situations......fine
It's a stupid argument because I don't consider hitting the wall on a freekick late in a game to be a choke anyway........ Zidane scored a big free kick in the Euro 2004, but I wouldn't have considered it a choke if he didn't score....and I wouldn't doubt if Zidane has missed free kicks at crucial situations.....
Zidane is a clutch player........we all agree but trying to recall one or two instances where Ronaldinho missed a freekick late in a game, and comparing it to some big moments for Zizou is a fairly biased and narrow comparison of the two players' abilities.
Post by: FATZ on November 27, 2005, 11:43:47 PM
Chelsea vs Barcelona, he got a free kick late in the game from close range and hit into the wall i think. Tell me if you can't remember that.
hey take win................Ronaldinho has choked in big situations......fine
It's a stupid argument because I don't consider hitting the wall on a freekick late in a game to be a choke anyway........ Zidane scored a big free kick in the Euro 2004, but I wouldn't have considered it a choke if he didn't score....and I wouldn't doubt if Zidane has missed free kicks at crucial situations.....
Zidane is a clutch player........we all agree but trying to recall one or two instances where Ronaldinho missed a freekick late in a game, and comparing it to some big moments for Zizou is a fairly narrow comparison of the two players' abilities.
Didn't Barcelona lose to Chelsea on aggregate in the match rated as the final before the final????? All this because i said i'd pick Zidane instead of Ronaldinho in crunch time and i said this, judging from what i have seen.
Post by: Trini on November 27, 2005, 11:47:30 PM
I aint goh lie, Ronaldinho is perhaps the most exciting and destructive and flair player in the world today....He is a terror for any team, he have real pace and strength, maybe more than Zidane ever had, perhaps even more of an eye for flair too....
But he doesnt have Zidane's magic touch, his vision, his ability to make a team VERY DANGEROUS by pulling the strings and picking out players, kinda like a bionic Latas.
Then Zidane than take the game on by himself in individual bursts of brialliance that I have not seen Ronaldinho do.
When last u see a man run thrugh the 2 last stoppers and try to roly poly the keeper (although he end up missing)?
The reaosn why allyuh doh rate Zidane is because he so damn good.
He so good, he makes what he does look easy, like sunday evening skillsing.
He does handle that centre midfield position like is small goal he playing, turning up men at will, what we all try to do in a small goal sweat, only he does it week in, week out agasint the best in the world.
Dont forget the man only un-retire the odda day and almost single handedly pull France out of a hole and qualify for a WC (sounds familiar?)
Jus watch some of these clips, I need say no more.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/35522/zinedine_zidane/
Ronaldinho Gaucho have a very very far way again to go....
And jus as lagniappe, check out the Champions League Winning goal in 2002....
http://www.zidanezone.com/zz/videos2.html
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 28, 2005, 12:25:54 AM
but Trini yuh talk good sense they
the things Zidane does do he does make it look so easy
the little flicks and the fact that the man have the most balance ever
it real hard to get the ball from him or throw him down
also is uncanny abillity to take 2 and 3 defenders with him and split them all with one pass
I think to when it comes to vision he leading the pack over all of them
I remember ah time for France the an carry 3 defenders to the line and everybdody thinking well what he go do now cause they have him covered
the man magically backheels the ball to the striker
The commentator go bawl "You think Zidane gets butterflies before a game?"
Post by: Jah Gol on November 28, 2005, 05:36:02 AM
Barca v AC Milan (Nou Camp) Minutes to go Ronaldinho spanners and beats Nesta and Maldini in one and blasts a bullet up in the gyep nest.
Madrid v Barca 2005 (Bernabeu) Ronaldinho scores a freekick that ensures that Barcelona could not lose Real Madrid in Head to Head. They lost game yeah but Ronaldinho had to score that goal
Chelsea v Barca (Stamford Bridge) Barcelona 3-0 down in the first half. Ronaldinho single handedly takes the game to Chelsea and scores 2 goals including one of the best toepees yuh could ever see. Ronaldinho created several chances for Eto'o to score but he couldn't convert.
A host of important goals scored for PSG
Penalties for Brazil in the last 10 minutes (Well you're expected to score those)
Betis v Barcelona Ronaldinho scores 2 free kicks after coming off the bench in tied game in the last ten minutes of the game.
I can't remember more right now but there are . Fatz talk about Ronaldinho hitting the wall in a freekick is total shit and a completely worthless point. I'm sure that if you ask any defender in the world who they'd prefer to mark they'll say Zidane. Ronaldinho is pure hell if you are defender. I think Ronaldinho is better. Zidane in his prime was very good but just think that Ronaldinho is probably only half way there. Zidane is a big player and I've said once and I'll say it again big players step up in big matches. Yeah the man score against England twice with minutes to go but to base your arguement on that alone is completely asinine. Beckham scored plenty of important goals for Man U and England would you even say Beckham has 10% of the quality of Zidane and Ronaldinho.
Please get some old tapes and watch Zidane play and then compare him to Ronaldinho. At WC 98 was Zidane really the star ? Just look at a 22 year old Ronaldinho in WC 02 with men like Ronaldo and Rivaldo on his side looking like he playing World Cup everyday or something. Think back to when Rivaldo was at Barca. Can we really say that Zidane was decidedly better than Rivaldo ? Zidane is a much more orthodoxed player than Ronaldinho yeah but look at the way Ronaldinho just totally devastes defenses and then come and me about Zidane.
I heard somebody talking about Ronaldinho's passing. I would invite those people to view the some the goals he has created out nothing with almost no space and then tell me about Zidane. The man just stands up and see space that you and I with an excellent view of the field throught the TV can't see. I have nothing against Zidane but in my opinion Ronaldinho is more talented than him.
I just hope the man doesn't get some kinda career threatening injury. If you love football just take in Ronaldinho.
Post by: Redditch Valiant on November 28, 2005, 05:52:30 AM
Post by: oconnorg on November 28, 2005, 08:50:11 AM
ITALY vs BRAZIL in de quarterfinals in germany!
after that game next year, dat man going and eat he words!!
U really feel Italy gettin past T&T?
we go be in one a d nex quarterfinals tnt england who we go beat 3-2
Yea we guh be in ah Differnt Quater Final!
Post by: Marcos on November 28, 2005, 09:09:32 AM
He has not been significantly responsible for a WC victory yet. The Brazillian victory in '02 was mostly atributable to Ronaldo and Rivaldo. If he is the star of this world cup then we can start talking.
horse he responsible for d win against england
dey were losin dat game if it wasn't for him
Ronnie is alrady one a d greatest ever
if he retire tom he will always be remembered
Post by: Trini on November 28, 2005, 09:22:08 AM
You are only as good as your legacy, Ronaldo has done 5 times as much than him and at his prime was much more explosive and impressive.
Put everthying into perspective.
When Rivaldo was in form, he was more influential than him.
He is very good, perhaps the most dynamic player today, he is real tears, I aint goh lie, but he just starting to hold that mantle. Doh rush the brush.
Lets see how he does in a few years first.
Post by: Marcos on November 28, 2005, 09:23:37 AM
Ronaldinho is nothing in defense but honestly he not on the field to defend. The man dominates the attack like no other player. Not Rivaldo not even Zidane dominates as much as this man. How many times have seen defenders backing off of Zidane or absolutely petrified to chook a foot. The man is in a class of his own. For the Zidane fans out there I'm not saying that Zidane is not a brilliant player but Ronaldinho's class is a cut above the rest.
On talent alone I would rank him alongside Pele and Maradona.I don't like comparing Pele and Maradona because they played different positions and in different eras and different tactics etc. In this era of football, defense is a major priority and a lot of games could just be boring,tight and unproductive. Ask yourself the question 0-0, 5 mins to go who you want on the ball Ronaldinho now or Zidane in his prime? I would chose Ronaldinho any day of the week. Barring a long term injury he will prove himself to be the greatest player of this era.
0-0 and 5 minutes to go, Zidane will do it any day in front of Ronaldinho, ask England and ask Sociadad(his latest victim), i've seen Ronaldinho choke more times than Zidane in that kind of position.
you talkin real shit
u forget ronaldinho in champions league against chelsea last yr?
d man bring them back singlehandedly when it looked like they were dead in the water
ball/dribbling skillz is also a quality ppl attribute to the greatest ever. Maradonna and pele both had that
Ronaldinho undisputedly has that edge over Zidane, and i think this is a major reason that ppl see him as maybe one of the greatest ever.
(this is also why ppl rate robinho so highly calling him 'pele' and why Denilson was the most expensive player in the world)
PS u are clueless if you think ppl would forget all about ronaldinho if he retired tom
Post by: capodetutticapi on November 28, 2005, 10:00:10 AM
Post by: Filho on November 28, 2005, 10:07:34 AM
Chelsea vs Barcelona, he got a free kick late in the game from close range and hit into the wall i think. Tell me if you can't remember that.
hey take win................Ronaldinho has choked in big situations......fine
It's a stupid argument because I don't consider hitting the wall on a freekick late in a game to be a choke anyway........ Zidane scored a big free kick in the Euro 2004, but I wouldn't have considered it a choke if he didn't score....and I wouldn't doubt if Zidane has missed free kicks at crucial situations.....
Zidane is a clutch player........we all agree but trying to recall one or two instances where Ronaldinho missed a freekick late in a game, and comparing it to some big moments for Zizou is a fairly narrow comparison of the two players' abilities.
Didn't Barcelona lose to Chelsea on aggregate in the match rated as the final before the final????? All this because i said i'd pick Zidane instead of Ronaldinho in crunch time and i said this, judging from what i have seen.
Fatz..you is a real hater. A free kick is not a guaranteed goal. Missing one late in a game is not choking. You using the Chelsea game as an example where he didn't produce? De man scored 2 goals in that game when his team loooked dead and buried and created a host of other chances for his teammates. It is regarded as one of the virtuoso performances of last year's CL. If Zidane had played like that you would be hailing his greatness. Your opinion that Zidane is greater than Ronaldinho is fair...but when you spew irrational views..it just sounding like hate.
Ronaldinho has come through for club and cpountry at crunch time on many occasions. Isn't assisting in one goal and scoring the other in a come from behind win against England in the WC quarters coming through when it matters...or do only injury time goals count? And the point of who you would want in the last five minutes of a game doesn't tell me shit about how good a man is. I would pick Ole Gunnar Solksjaer over plenty big players in the last 5 minutes of a game becasue he constantly was a last minute winner for ManU....but the best players get it done over de 90 minutes. Where was Zidane in the last 5 minutes of the super clasico last week when Ronaldinho was salting his whole team and scored a brilliant double....oh..I forget...those goals didn't come in the dying minutes...they weren't clutch right?
Post by: Trini on November 28, 2005, 10:13:58 AM
Ronaldo was MVP in Holland, Spain and Italy.
Zidane was in Italy and Spain.
Ronaldhino is just beginning to conquer Spain right now.
Post by: dumpalewie on November 28, 2005, 10:34:59 AM
Ronaldinho is supremely gifted no doubt. So much so that I do expect that by the end of his career he may ascend to among the best.
But in truth he has only been on top for the past 2 yrs. Ronaldo and Rivaldo have been where he is right now. Do any of you think that Ronaldo should be in that category? Ronaldo has accomplished more than Ronaldinho so far.
Give it time. We will see.
Post by: ANC2 on November 28, 2005, 10:41:39 AM
FYI
Believe it or not, Ronaldo (not Zidane) was the MVP of World Cup '98......just checked the stats.
Boss WC 98 Zizou was special he deserve the award. The man step up everytime France needed him. Ok he got sent off but say wha he was masterful.
Post by: Filho on November 28, 2005, 11:09:33 AM
Another dimension is that people like Ronaldo and Zizoux have conquered multiple leagues.
Ronaldo was MVP in Holland, Spain and Italy.
Zidane was in Italy and Spain.
Ronaldhino is just beginning to conquer Spain right now.
To answer the original question of the post, you have to wait and see. It is still too early in his career to say if he will join a Pele or Maradona as one of the absolute greats. This is never going to be an objective discussion. Most of us have never even see Pele play extensively, or know much of the greats before him...we base our opinion of him on his resume, highlights, great marketing of his image, and heresay/public perception. There are older fans who swear DeStefano and Ferenc Puskas were greater than Pele. There are Brazilains who swear Freiderich and Garrincha were better than Pele. I accept that these 'opinions' we have are extremely biased, so I eh getting worked up about it.
As for whether Ronaldinho is better than Zidane. That is also a matter of opinion and has to do with what skills and abilities we prefer, our biases towards and against the teams they play for, how many times we've seen them play and certain aesthetics...like grace on the ball, etc. It has VERY LITTLE to do with titles or who has played longer than who...There are many players with longer careers than Ronaldinho who have won many more personal and team titles...(for eg. Van Basten, Platini, Maldini, Seedorf, Romario...) that does not mean they are better than Ronaldinho. It just means they proved their greatness over a longer period. So I may be wrong, but if they both were to retire right now, Zidane would more likely go down on record as the 'greater' player quite simply because he has played longer.....but as far as who is the more talented player, or who is actually better...well that will depend on opinion...and we will never all agree.
FYI
Believe it or not, Ronaldo (not Zidane) was the MVP of World Cup '98......just checked the stats.
Boss WC 98 Zizou was special he deserve the award. The man step up everytime France needed him. Ok he got sent off but say wha he was masterful.
Your memory bad or you fall for the hype. He stepped up in the final against Brazil. Execellent, but not exactly tournament MVP status. Before the final France was known as a good defensive team but not much in attack. Henry outshone Zidane in the first round scoring 4 goals but was eventually relegated to the bench as the tourney went on. Zidane was suspended for 2 games and missed the 2nd round game against Paraguay, didn't really shine against Italy when France needed penalties to win and didn't shine against Croatia when France need Thuram to score a double to get to the final. Not exactly a WC performance of note until the final.
Now Euro 2000...that is another story. That was Zidane vs. Figo..and neither disappointed. For me Zidane joined the greats after that tourney. De man was sick.
Post by: fari on November 28, 2005, 11:52:25 AM
Post by: Marcos on November 28, 2005, 12:07:50 PM
ronnie strikes fear into the hearts of defenders much like ronaldo in his heydey
as influential as zizou is, men don't fear him as much
i think that is a big factor in determining the greatest
ppl dont lunge into ronaldinho cuz they will get embarrassed and become a foxsports/espn/gol tv highlight
ronnie can still have the same effect on a game that zidane has yet do it far more stylishly
can ronaldinho do everything on a field that zidane can do?
i think yes
can zidane do everything on a field that ronaldinho can do?
definitely not
Post by: Grande on November 28, 2005, 12:26:53 PM
27 November 2005
by The Press Association
Brazilian legend Pele has revealed that he rates Barcelona star Ronaldinho as "better than (Diego) Maradona".
Pele, whose full name is Edson Arantes do Nascimento, was speaking at the opening of Sao Vicente de Paula School in Niteroi city when he was asked to draw comparisons between the current jewel in Brazil's crown and Argentina's favourite son. The 65-year-old said: "There's no point in comparing Ronaldinho and Maradona. I think Ronaldinho is better than Maradona."
Pele, named FIFA Player of the Century, added that he sees Ronaldinho, who made his professional debut in Gremio before moving to Europe and Paris Saint-Germain, as the most complete player of his generation.
He went on to outline the 25-year-old's importance to Brazil's FIFA World Cup™ hopes this summer, saying: "If there's a player who I love to watch, that's Ronaldinho. He is different. I'm sure the national team will need a lot from him in Germany in 2006."
Post by: Pointman on November 28, 2005, 12:33:17 PM
Ronaldinho better than Maradona, says Pele
27 November 2005
by The Press Association
Brazilian legend Pele has revealed that he rates Barcelona star Ronaldinho as "better than (Diego) Maradona".
Pele, whose full name is Edson Arantes do Nascimento, was speaking at the opening of Sao Vicente de Paula School in Niteroi city when he was asked to draw comparisons between the current jewel in Brazil's crown and Argentina's favourite son. The 65-year-old said: "There's no point in comparing Ronaldinho and Maradona. I think Ronaldinho is better than Maradona."
Pele, named FIFA Player of the Century, added that he sees Ronaldinho, who made his professional debut in Gremio before moving to Europe and Paris Saint-Germain, as the most complete player of his generation.
He went on to outline the 25-year-old's importance to Brazil's FIFA World Cup™ hopes this summer, saying: "If there's a player who I love to watch, that's Ronaldinho. He is different. I'm sure the national team will need a lot from him in Germany in 2006."
Yuh see, even de master himself,Pele, saying dat Ronaldinho better than Maradona. That should end that debate ;D
This brings to mind a previous thread...how Cyd go make out wid dis boy ;D ???
Post by: Marcos on November 28, 2005, 01:42:44 PM
Post by: Jah Gol on November 28, 2005, 01:51:10 PM
Ronaldinho better than Maradona, says Pele
27 November 2005
by The Press Association
Brazilian legend Pele has revealed that he rates Barcelona star Ronaldinho as "better than (Diego) Maradona".
Pele, whose full name is Edson Arantes do Nascimento, was speaking at the opening of Sao Vicente de Paula School in Niteroi city when he was asked to draw comparisons between the current jewel in Brazil's crown and Argentina's favourite son. The 65-year-old said: "There's no point in comparing Ronaldinho and Maradona. I think Ronaldinho is better than Maradona."
Pele, named FIFA Player of the Century, added that he sees Ronaldinho, who made his professional debut in Gremio before moving to Europe and Paris Saint-Germain, as the most complete player of his generation.
He went on to outline the 25-year-old's importance to Brazil's FIFA World Cup™ hopes this summer, saying: "If there's a player who I love to watch, that's Ronaldinho. He is different. I'm sure the national team will need a lot from him in Germany in 2006."
Ronaldinho will end up being one of the greatest but something about that article sounding fishy. In a previous article Pele said that Ronaldinho is good but so are many other Brazilians. This to me seems as if Pele's playing down Ronaldinho's fame. In this one he says that Ronaldinho is better than Maradona. Is he trying to make Maradona look bad or trying to make Brazillians look good ?
Post by: Jah Gol on November 28, 2005, 01:53:47 PM
Pele also said Columbia were winning WC 94 and that Dwarikah could play anywhere in the world
I remember that, it was after 92 Shell Cup. Dwarika did go on trial with Oviedo in Spain. Pele always is a politician and just know how to mamaguay certain people.
Post by: Pointman on November 28, 2005, 01:55:16 PM
Pele also said Columbia were winning WC 94 and that Dwarikah could play anywhere in the world
so wha yuh saying? yuh mean Dwarika can't play anywhere in de world ;D
Post by: Jah Gol on November 28, 2005, 02:02:10 PM
Post by: slates on November 28, 2005, 02:30:35 PM
He seem to know better than to talk unflatteringly about Ronaldinho in Brazil. :-\
Post by: Grande on November 28, 2005, 02:49:54 PM
By JEAN-LUC COURTHIAL, Associated Press Writer
November 28, 2005
PARIS (AP) -- Ronaldinho won the Golden Ball on Monday as European player of the year, another honor for the Brazilian following his FIFA player of the year award last year.
Ronaldinho, a midfielder who won the Spanish league title with Barcelona and the Confederations Cup with Brazil, is the third player from his country to win the Golden Ball following Rivaldo (1999) and Ronaldo (1997, 2002).
Ronaldinho finished ahead of Frank Lampard of Chelsea and Steven Gerrard of Liverpool. Andriy Shevchenko of AC Milan, last year's winner, placed fifth behind Thierry Henry of Arsenal.
"This is a dream come true," Ronaldinho said. "When I see all the names on the list, when I see my idols Ronaldo and Rivaldo, I realize this is a great honor."
Ronaldinho finished with 225 points, followed by Lampard (148) and Gerrard (142). The winner is chosen by France Football magazine's annual poll of 52 journalists from around the world. This is the 50th anniversary of the award, which was first won by England's Stanley Matthews.
Ronaldinho's cunning, speed, power and strength make him one of the most dangerous attacking players. He already has drawn comparisons to Diego Maradona.
"God gives gifts to everyone," Ronaldinho said. "Some can write, some can dance. He gave me the skill to play football and I am making the most of it."
The 25-year-old player joined Barcelona from Paris Saint-Germain in 2003 and has scored 33 league goals in 79 games, including nine this season. He also has scored 13 times in 19 Champions League games for Barcelona.
He has played 62 times for Brazil and scored 27 times. He helped the team win its fifth World Cup title in 2002 in Japan.
Ronaldinho works his magic for Barca and Brazil
By Simon Baskett
Ronaldinho, 2005 European Footballer of the Year.
MADRID, Nov 28 (Reuters) - If there were any doubts that Ronaldinho is the most exciting player in world football they were dispelled by his virtuoso performances for Barcelona last week.
The 25-year-old Brazilian gave a sublime display to lead Barca to a 3-0 victory over arch-rivals Real Madrid, scoring two solo goals in a display which brought the applauding Bernabeu crowd to their feet in admiration.
Four days later he steered the Catalans to a 3-1 win over Werder Bremen, notching a trademark free kick and providing the assists for the two other goals.
It is therefore no surprise that Ronaldinho completed a sweep of the game's three most important individual awards by being named European Footballer of the Year on Monday.
The toothy-grinned forward deserves his trophies not just for his astounding individual skills but also for the wider impact he has had on the game.
Two years ago he arrived at Barcelona after an unsettled two-season spell at Paris St Germain.
Barca's first choice signing David Beckham had snubbed a move to the Nou Camp, choosing instead to make the switch to the more fashionable Real Madrid.
Ronaldinho, welcomed by close to 30,000 fans on the day of his presentation, almost single-handedly restored Barca's shattered morale after four years of under-achievement.
CHILDLIKE ENTHUSIASM
Although the burden of expectation on his young shoulders was immense, Ronaldinho made light of the responsibility and never lost his almost childlike enthusiasm for the game.
Mesmerising step-overs, spectacular free kicks and defence-splitting passes were typical of Ronaldinho's contributions to Barcelona's season.
He inspired the team to a 17-match unbeaten run that lifted them to a second-place finish in the Primera Liga, their best placing in four years.
His presence at Barca helped convince Deco, Henrik Larsson, Samuel Eto'o, Edmilson and Juliano Belletti that the Nou Camp was the place to be.
After a slow start to his second campaign, he was soon back to his best.
He scored a stunning last-gasp winner in the 2-1 Champions League victory against AC Milan in November and then masterminded Barca's sparkling display of fluent, attacking football when they outclassed Real Madrid 3-0 at home.
Fifteen minutes of defensive madness meant the club was eliminated in the first knockout round of the Champions League by Chelsea, but no one will forget Ronaldinho's phenomenal goal in the second leg at Stamford Bridge.
Hypnotising the entire Chelsea defence with a samba-style swivel of the hips, he toe-poked the ball past Peter Cech from the edge of the area before the keeper knew what was happening.
Barcelona made up for that disappointment when they eased to their first league title in six years with Ronaldinho and leading scorer Eto'o the heroes of the season.
CELEBRATION
The biggest cheer of the club's celebration party came when the Brazilian sprinted out on to the pitch wearing a giant glove in the shape of his trademark thumb and little finger wave.
Little wonder then that Barca moved quickly to tie him to a new contract that would keep him in Catalunya until 2010.
While the rest of the Barcelona squad took a well-earned holiday, Ronaldinho reported for international duty.
He led Brazil to victory in the Confederations Cup in June, earning himself the man-of-the-match award after masterminding a 4-1 victory over Argentina in the final.
Like so many Brazilian internationals Ronaldinho has followed a well-trodden route from favela to football pitch.
Born into a family with a strong footballing tradition, Ronaldinho first hit the headlines when he top-scored for Brazil in their victory in the Under-17 world championship in 1997.
He helped the full Brazil side win the 1999 Copa America, notching six goals including a stunning individual effort against Venezuela, and was part of the team that won the 2002 World Cup.
He was instrumental in the 2-1 victory over England in the quarter-finals, scoring their second with a spectacular 30-metre free kick before being sent off, and returned from a one-match ban to play in the 2-0 victory over Germany in the final.
Alongside Adriano and Ronaldo he should spearhead the Brazil attack for next year's World Cup, and in his present form he is going to take some stopping.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 28, 2005, 03:02:39 PM
Imagine chupid Real didn't want to buy the man cause he was in their minds ugly and therefore beckham was the better decision.
Anyhow well done Ronaldinho yuh deserve it.
Post by: trinidad badboy on November 28, 2005, 03:07:14 PM
he is fantactic but not that great as yet and he doesnt have all the achievements and records that maradona and pele has. maybe if he keeps us how he is playing then yes. but not as yet he still has alot to prove.
i would think more about zidane. he is a great player..
Post by: FF on November 28, 2005, 03:07:57 PM
There was only 3 men in the running. Ronaldinho, Eto'o and Sheva! I feel after that match against Real he seal the deal. Hard luck Eto'o though cause both of them going one for one. Ronaldinho run form the half and score against Real, Eto'o do it yesterday and beat 4 defenders to scrore.
Imagine chupid Real didn't want to buy the man cause he was in their minds ugly and therefore beckham was the better decision.
Anyhow well done Ronaldinho yuh deserve it.
Imagine Perez had de both ah dem..... and he let dem slip out he hands...
what an arse!!
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 28, 2005, 03:09:49 PM
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 28, 2005, 03:13:15 PM
Imagine Perez had de both ah dem..... and he let dem slip out he hands...
what an arse!!
Yuh had to sing the ISasha song for them
They wanted ah pretty boy
ah football pretty boy
Post by: Tallman on November 28, 2005, 03:31:24 PM
2. Frank Lampard (Chelsea)
3. Steven Gerrard (Liverpool)
4. Thierry Henry (Arsenal)
5. Andriy Shevchenko (AC Milan)
6. Paolo Maldini (AC Milan)
7. Adriano (Inter Milan)
8. Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Juventus)
9. Kaka (AC Milan)
10. Samuel Eto'o (Barcelona)
Post by: morvant on November 28, 2005, 03:32:39 PM
Post by: monty on November 28, 2005, 03:38:30 PM
Imagine Perez had de both ah dem..... and he let dem slip out he hands...
what an arse!!
Yuh had to sing the ISasha song for them
They wanted ah pretty boy
ah football pretty boy
thaz not prophet benajmin who sing that????
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 28, 2005, 03:41:53 PM
thaz not prophet benajmin who sing that????
who ever is the same shit
point is Real had them fellas and let them go cause they eh fit into the Real pretty boy role. Whatever respect I had for Real is now all gone.
1. Ronaldinho (Barcelona)
2. Frank Lampard (Chelsea)
3. Steven Gerrard (Liverpool)
4. Thierry Henry (Arsenal)
5. Andriy Shevchenko (AC Milan)
6. Paolo Maldini (AC Milan)
7. Adriano (Inter Milan)
8. Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Juventus)
9. Kaka (AC Milan)
10. Samuel Eto'o (Barcelona)
That list in some sort of order or that is jes the men who was in the runnings. Cause I eh want to think they have Adriano ahead of Eto'o.
Post by: Peong on November 28, 2005, 03:42:16 PM
Post by: Grande on November 28, 2005, 04:04:14 PM
1. Ronaldinho (Barcelona)
2. Frank Lampard (Chelsea)
3. Steven Gerrard (Liverpool)
4. Thierry Henry (Arsenal)
5. Andriy Shevchenko (AC Milan)
6. Paolo Maldini (AC Milan)
7. Adriano (Inter Milan)
8. Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Juventus)
9. Kaka (AC Milan)
10. Samuel Eto'o (Barcelona)
Cafu should be on that list. With the exception of Maldini, I only seeing strikers and attacking midfielders. If not, give Cafu a lifetime achievement award too. :beermug:
Post by: Jah Gol on November 28, 2005, 04:08:16 PM
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 28, 2005, 04:08:35 PM
nobody from man boo ;D
yuh mean ManUre
Truthseeker go be disappointed with the fact that Park Ji-Sung didn't make it or Darren Fletcher
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 28, 2005, 04:10:00 PM
Maradona videos can be found here http://torrents.to/search/247/maradona+.html.
we know where to find them thing
we jes doh know how to shut him up
Post by: Jah Gol on November 28, 2005, 04:14:02 PM
Ronaldinho wins Golden Ball award
"God gives gifts to everyone," Ronaldinho said. "Some can write, some can dance. He gave me the skill to play football and I am making the most of it."
The man was quite simply born to play football. Nobody does it like Ronaldinho. He plays the beautiful game.
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 28, 2005, 04:21:35 PM
Post by: Filho on November 28, 2005, 04:42:21 PM
both a dem extremely talented
both a dem real rich$$$
dey could pull any gyul dey want (even though one used to rock a bald patch and de next one have a drippin' jerry curl)
...and neither of them really care what we think ;)
Post by: Jah Gol on November 28, 2005, 04:51:07 PM
Men talking bout Zidane is better, and right now I will say that he has accomplished more that Ronnie in terms of accolades, for now, but Ronaldinho is very creative and scores more goals. He is more that a creative player. He is a total player.
Ronaldinho is meh dog and he will one day prove himself to be one of if not d greatest but one thing. I wouldn't call a total player. He is completely worthless defensively and sometimes wouldn't even bother to chook a foot. In any case he not on the field to defend. He is absolutely outrageous in attack.
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Post by: FF on November 29, 2005, 09:20:33 AM
Which of the greats chook a foot in defence? Pele? Maradona? Zidane? None a dem. How yuh feel they have the energy to attack? ;D. Anyway, my two cents. Dinho is de best right now. If he continue like this, he WILL BE in the great catogory. As for Zizou, see my avatar!
AYe aye... I have ah video showing Pele tackling ah man deep in his own box, sharing beat and bringing de ball out of defence.... in that same video is ah clip of Pele putting on the gloves for Santos and goal keeping.... but that is ah long story rite dey
PELE will always be de best!!
Post by: Ponnoxx on November 30, 2005, 01:24:34 AM
Villarreal president: I wouldn't swap Riquelme for Ronaldinho
tribalfootball.com - November 30, 2005
Villarreal president Fernando Roig insists he wouldn't swap Juan Roman Riquelme for Ballon d'Or winner Ronaldinho.
"We believe we have the best here at Villarreal," said Roig. "I would not swap Ronaldinho for Riquelme."
Roig also commented on club chief Jose Manuel Llaneza's scouting trip to South America.
"We're always looking to improve and he went there to be informed and to know what was available in the market."
Post by: Jah Gol on November 30, 2005, 04:22:51 AM
Post by: Socapro on November 30, 2005, 08:02:04 AM
ITALY vs BRAZIL in de quarterfinals in germany!
after that game next year, dat man going and eat he words!!
U really feel Italy gettin past T&T?
I was wondering the same thing!! ::) ;D
Post by: TriniItalian on November 30, 2005, 10:17:56 AM
Ronaldo only started to complain about tactics in the middle of the second season when all them italian defenders realise was de scene and decided not to get brock out no more nesta and negro mash he ass up in rome maldini fleck him up in madrid to truly shine you hadda be skillful yes but you hadda be able to play chess to is not everytime you try to lick up a man queen. Ronaldinho is the best in the world but after a few seasons in italy if he can't adapt to serious tactical play he will get brock out in the second season.The man never say that he will not be a hit....I try to find middle ground and i think he means that Ronaldinho will find it harder...eg Ronaldo (when he was younger was the best and most exciting player) found it very hard to adapt to Italy....And Ronaldo was out of this world
Ronaldo never liked the style of italian football......but his first season at Inter his goalscoring record was amazing. He never struggled from a goalscoring point of view, but psychologically he struggled with the stifling tactics. Even after his 2nd comeback from knee surgery he had a great goals per game record...check de stats. he looked like he was going to struggle after his 1st game...when another newcomer called Alvaro Recoba scored a deadly long range double and stole de headlines....press start to get excited only for the fat man to salt dem for the rest of the season.
And allyah musn't get worked up by dese headlines man. First the reporters does always dramatize the headline. Second..it sound like mind games that have nothing to do with Italian League or Italy v Brazil. Man prepping for if Juve meet Barca in the Champion's League. Moggi probably see them as the biggest threat and trying to rub up Eto'o ego and grind up Ronaldinho's. Footballers ahve big egos and jealousy does run rife in a dressing room. He trying to see if he could divide and conquer from within'....dis does go on every year. If Ronaldinho say he wanted to go Juve...Moggi would pay from him form his own personal account and pick de man up from the airport, carry his luggage and wash de man boots after every practice.
Post by: TriniItalian on November 30, 2005, 10:22:41 AM
Inter fan have a flicking right to forget about Ronaldo after your ass injured for so long club paying medical and salary cuz they know the Ronaldo Vieri combo would be unstoppable (size and skill of the two players them fellaz huge) you come and say you not able with tactics cuz nesta and maldini ruff yuh up a lil bit???? well go the hell to spain then shine in a shit league granted la liga getting some young good defenders but they still not nearly up to scratch with the big solid oaks in italyRonaldo is my player....Even all now...I rather watch him than anyone else....(Although Robinho will be the best next two years!!!) Filho the fact that Ronaldo had to comeback should tell you something...The league is not easy for a very skilful player...not because of he not making a impact but because defenders rather destroy you than look bad...Ronaldinho don't have to prove himself to anybody...But i agree with the Moggi when he says it will be more difficult(but in terms of the kind of tackles they allow)....Go T&T
Only since Adriano are Inter fans finally forgetting about Ronaldo.
Post by: Peong on November 30, 2005, 02:23:14 PM
Inter fan have a flicking right to forget about Ronaldo after your ass injured for so long club paying medical and salary cuz they know the Ronaldo Vieri combo would be unstoppable (size and skill of the two players them fellaz huge) you come and say you not able with tactics cuz nesta and maldini ruff yuh up a lil bit???? well go the hell to spain then shine in a shit league granted la liga getting some young good defenders but they still not nearly up to scratch with the big solid oaks in italy
Meanwhile Inter and Italy have won how many titles?
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on November 30, 2005, 02:35:41 PM
Meanwhile Inter and Italy have won how many titles?
hahahahahahahahah
ent
Inter is my team in Italy and I really eh check for Ronaldo after he ride out.
The fans did stick by the man after them 2 injuries. He did ow them ah lil more than that.
Post by: Grande on November 30, 2005, 02:38:38 PM
Inter fan have a flicking right to forget about Ronaldo after your ass injured for so long club paying medical and salary cuz they know the Ronaldo Vieri combo would be unstoppable (size and skill of the two players them fellaz huge) you come and say you not able with tactics cuz nesta and maldini ruff yuh up a lil bit???? well go the hell to spain then shine in a shit league granted la liga getting some young good defenders but they still not nearly up to scratch with the big solid oaks in italyRonaldo is my player....Even all now...I rather watch him than anyone else....(Although Robinho will be the best next two years!!!) Filho the fact that Ronaldo had to comeback should tell you something...The league is not easy for a very skilful player...not because of he not making a impact but because defenders rather destroy you than look bad...Ronaldinho don't have to prove himself to anybody...But i agree with the Moggi when he says it will be more difficult(but in terms of the kind of tackles they allow)....Go T&T
Only since Adriano are Inter fans finally forgetting about Ronaldo.
In my opinion, La Liga is the best league right now. More entertaining and creative than boring, defensive Serie A, Milan and Inter aside.
Post by: Peong on November 30, 2005, 02:39:59 PM
Inter is my team in Italy and I really eh check for Ronaldo after he ride out.
The fans did stick by the man after them 2 injuries. He did ow them ah lil more than that.
Yeh I thought the fans stuck by Ronaldo. Ah mean, he score real goals and take them real close to the title. But Trinitalian real hatin Ronaldo dey.
Post by: Marcos on November 30, 2005, 02:54:49 PM
don't act like the man gave them nothing
plus how many goals did he give them prior to his injury?
allyuh good yes
Forget about Ronaldo?
U real had to be joking
Post by: Marcos on November 30, 2005, 03:19:19 PM
I find a player that didn't get enough respect was Baggio. His performance in world cup 94 was marvellous and he was Itlay only striking threat. He scored two great goals against Bulgaria in the semi final. Another player that i think should be in the same line with Zidane is Klinsman. ;D
Baggio waws consistently good but slightly overrated in my opinion.
I was one of his biggest fans, that is why I can admit this.
He lacked the mercurial speed that separates really good strikers from great ones.
He hit a great dead ball.
His performance in WC 94, like that of Zidane in 98 is slightly overrated.
He eh play nuttin in the first round or the final.
Was great in the semis but really just okay in the second round and quarters
I give him a lot of respect for his longevity though. He kept playing fairly well for a really long time, even when he went to small clubs
Post by: Ponnoxx on November 30, 2005, 03:25:17 PM
Post by: Tenorsaw on November 30, 2005, 04:02:09 PM
I find a player that didn't get enough respect was Baggio. His performance in world cup 94 was marvellous and he was Itlay only striking threat. He scored two great goals against Bulgaria in the semi final. Another player that i think should be in the same line with Zidane is Klinsman. ;D
Baggio waws consistently good but slightly overrated in my opinion.
I was one of his biggest fans, that is why I can admit this.
He lacked the mercurial speed that separates really good strikers from great ones.
He hit a great dead ball.
His performance in WC 94, like that of Zidane in 98 is slightly overrated.
He eh play nuttin in the first round or the final.
Was great in the semis but really just okay in the second round and quarters
I give him a lot of respect for his longevity though. He kept playing fairly well for a really long time, even when he went to small clubs
I wouldn't classify Baggio as a striker. If anything, he played as a withdrawn striker. I never saw him as the first striker. Playing from behind the front strikers allowed him to compensate for his lack of speed, and to utilize his vision and passing skills.
Post by: dervaig on December 01, 2005, 09:40:52 PM
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Post by: micos23 on December 01, 2005, 10:05:05 PM
la liga is notorious for having defenders who are not defenders.....and this is converted to their national team which is why they are the most underachieving team in the history of european football.........case in point, the entire backline of real madrid, and before that hierro, when he was captain of spain. the culture is that of attacking football, so the space is provided for such. in the premiership, a zone defense is played, so there is similar space. the serie A and the bundesliga, however....different story. only the best of the best can cope with playing in all leagues.......luis figo, zizou, klinsmann, maradona, ronaldo....to name a few.
ronaldinho has the potential to become one of the greats as well.....but he needs to change his style to adapt to any situation. he can make waves in the premiership. he is already in la liga. he can perform in serie A but not with holding the ball that long....he needs to develop his game further, to release the ball earlier, and to greater effect (a la zizou)..... bundesliga......no chance. not with his current style anyway.
Post by: Marcos on December 01, 2005, 11:55:14 PM
Post by: dervaig on December 02, 2005, 06:17:11 AM
Beside his ability to transform a football game with a stroke of genius,
what else? Scoring goals with ease? Being the consummate team player,
a la Zidane, Platini, Rivelino?
The team as a whole winning their league? Winning the Champions League?
Winning a World Cup?
'dinho is 2/3rds of the way there (he's missing the C-League ring), AND he
can transform a game by himself or with the help of others, or by contributing
himself.
This guy can play anywhere, and against anyone.
It's interesting how Rijkaard plays Eto'o, Messi and 'dinho.
One minute you see Eto'o up front, with 'dinho out on the
right, and Messi on the left, and he keeps rotating them, left/right/centre.
He's now won the Golden Ball, and the accolades keep pouring in from
his own countrymen (greats of the past, Pele, Tostao, Socrates) and other
greats from other countries.
He's 25?
He's blessed, and everything I read, he realizes how blessed he is,
and for that he appears to be thankful.
He didn't light up Tokyo 3 years ago, but Munich awaits, and barring
injury, he will be on the winner's medal stand sharing the spotlight with Kaka,
Ronaldo, Lucio, etc.
Post by: Jah Gol on December 02, 2005, 09:29:22 AM
Ronaldo only started to complain about tactics in the middle of the second season when all them italian defenders realise was de scene and decided not to get brock out no more nesta and negro mash he ass up in rome maldini fleck him up in madrid to truly shine you hadda be skillful yes but you hadda be able to play chess to is not everytime you try to lick up a man queen. Ronaldinho is the best in the world but after a few seasons in italy if he can't adapt to serious tactical play he will get brock out in the second season.The man never say that he will not be a hit....I try to find middle ground and i think he means that Ronaldinho will find it harder...eg Ronaldo (when he was younger was the best and most exciting player) found it very hard to adapt to Italy....And Ronaldo was out of this world
Ronaldo never liked the style of italian football......but his first season at Inter his goalscoring record was amazing. He never struggled from a goalscoring point of view, but psychologically he struggled with the stifling tactics. Even after his 2nd comeback from knee surgery he had a great goals per game record...check de stats. he looked like he was going to struggle after his 1st game...when another newcomer called Alvaro Recoba scored a deadly long range double and stole de headlines....press start to get excited only for the fat man to salt dem for the rest of the season.
And allyah musn't get worked up by dese headlines man. First the reporters does always dramatize the headline. Second..it sound like mind games that have nothing to do with Italian League or Italy v Brazil. Man prepping for if Juve meet Barca in the Champion's League. Moggi probably see them as the biggest threat and trying to rub up Eto'o ego and grind up Ronaldinho's. Footballers ahve big egos and jealousy does run rife in a dressing room. He trying to see if he could divide and conquer from within'....dis does go on every year. If Ronaldinho say he wanted to go Juve...Moggi would pay from him form his own personal account and pick de man up from the airport, carry his luggage and wash de man boots after every practice.
The talk about tactics is not valid at all. Barcelona has played against many defensive teams who employ super-defensive tactics and Ronaldinho never fails to shine. I've seen only one game where he couldn't to anything that was against Villareal away last season. Ronaldinho can beat any defender in the world and reads the game a lot better than most players. You could play 30 yard through passes, beating offside trap if you didn't know what football was about. I think a lot people still see the man as street baller but infact he a lot more cultured than that.
Rykard when asked about where he's going to play Ronaldinho said that he just lets him do what he wants. You can't contain genius to specific position. Ronaldinho is the best player in the world and will be a super star legend when he retires. I don't see why he won't be able to dominate Italy or England or anywhere else.
Post by: SOBRIQUET on January 25, 2006, 11:31:08 AM
Updated: Jan. 25, 2006
Six Chelsea in Ronaldinho dream team
Brazilian star Ronaldinho has sparked a row in Spain by selecting six Chelsea players in his European dream team - and none from his own club!
Chelsea are set to face Barcelona in the Champions League next month in the last 16 of the competition but Ronaldinho ignored the talents of his team-mates and chose a handful of players from the Premiership champions instead.
Ronaldinho picked Czech Republic goalkeeper Petr Cech, England centre-half John Terry and midfielder Frank Lampard, French anchorman Claude Makelele, and strikers Didier Drogba and Eidur Gudjohnsen to appear in his fantasy selection.
Barcelona are currently running away with the Spanish league but the Brazilian decided there was no room for his team-mates - preferring to heap the plaudits on their forthcoming opponents.
'Cech has proved at Chelsea that he is the best young goalkeeper in Europe,' explained Ronaldinho.
'In defence, John Terry is my first choice because he is Chelsea's leader and has developed into a very sound defender.
'I choose Makelele simply because he is quite simply the best holding midfield player in the world. The way he sits in front of a defence controlling the game and protecting his back four is incredible.
'And I choose Lampard because of his incredible footballing vision. His passing and his shooting from midfield are outstanding.'
Ronaldinho even elected to have Gudjohnsen and Drogba as partners for Milan's Andrei Shevchenko attack.
The Brazilian said: 'Shevchenko is very special. His individual class and quality - as well as speed - set him apart and make him the world's most dangerous attacker.
'After Sheva, it's not so easy to choose, but I would pick Chelsea's pair. Drogba is very powerful and one of the biggest aerial threats around, while Gudjohnsen is a clever striker who makes as many goals as he scores.'
Ronaldinho chose 12 players, three in each position.
His European elite squad was:
Gianluigi Buffon (Juventus), Petr Cech (Chelsea), Dida (AC Milan); Cafu (AC Milan), Paolo Maldini (AC Milan), John Terry (Chelsea); Kaka (AC Milan), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), Claude Makelele (Chelsea); Didier Drogba (Chelsea), Eidur Gudjohnsen (Chelsea), Andriy Shevchenko (AC Milan).
Post by: SOBRIQUET on January 25, 2006, 11:45:48 AM
Post by: Jahyouth on January 25, 2006, 11:51:19 AM
Gudjohnsen before Henry??? Didn't know that spanish weed was so nice...
I glad you see that the man smoke some bad weed too. Gudjohnson himself wouldn't say he can play in front of Thierry. Maybe this is to quiet down the Henry to Barca thing
Post by: Peong on January 25, 2006, 11:56:34 AM
And den Barca go poison dem.
Post by: Trinimassive on January 25, 2006, 11:59:54 AM
Post by: FF on January 25, 2006, 12:01:50 PM
He ent even pick he self
Post by: Gladman on January 25, 2006, 12:05:45 PM
Post by: Ponnoxx on January 25, 2006, 12:25:12 PM
Post by: SOBRIQUET on January 25, 2006, 12:34:47 PM
The man pick team players and not starboys....I don't know why he pick Drogba though...Chelsea have a good chance of beating Barca in UEFA...Mourinho is a tactician and he know what to do to win big games
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
The man run thru Champs league with Porto. I don't know what them fellas does be smokin when they talkin about how much "blows" barca goin and hand chelsea. Morinho iz a BOSS! Even if Barca win, it aint go be no blow-out as some ah these fellas predictin'
Post by: Gladman on January 25, 2006, 12:40:13 PM
Post by: truetrini on January 25, 2006, 12:49:47 PM
Post by: SOBRIQUET on January 25, 2006, 12:51:41 PM
I know it was ah SH!T Team when me eh see Hardest dey...steups ::):rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: Israel on January 25, 2006, 01:06:41 PM
allyuh playing with a man emotions on this site dread. :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: Brej on January 25, 2006, 02:05:54 PM
das a chain up
Post by: scarface on January 25, 2006, 02:35:02 PM
I know it was ah SH!T Team when me eh see Hardest dey...steups ::)
ohhhhh lawwwwwwwwd ah nearly fall of meh chair & wake meh housemates wit da 1!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
but is rel licks for chelsea dey for real...but juve still winning CL this year no matter who win da game! ;D
Post by: freakazoid on January 30, 2006, 06:22:35 PM
men real idle yes lol :rotfl:
Post by: TrinInfinite on January 30, 2006, 06:24:33 PM
dat is de bess boy, :applause:
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Post by: duscam on January 31, 2006, 12:27:57 PM
Ronaldinho: There Are No Favorites for the World Cup
Barcelona ace Ronaldinho has refused to select favorites for the the upcoming World Cup, claiming that neither Brazil, nor any other nation, could could make the claim given the present situation.
“My teammates are sure that we are going to win the World Cup, like in 2002,” said the Brazil No.10, in an interview to German magazine Player. “But I do not believe that the World Cup has any favorites.”
He did, however, go on to describe the spirit in the Brazilian camp as “perfect,” based on the way they won the Confederations Cup last year: “Not always are the players of a team all good friends. But in the case of Brazil, I can state confidently that we are.”
Asked to analyze how important having the world's best player on their side was going to be for Brazil, he quipped, “I am not even the best player at Barcelona. I do what I can, but more importantly, others do what I can't.”
He then went on to emphasize that despite the flair that was characteristic of Brazilian football, it was hard work and sacrifice that won trophies for them, something that has often been overlooked by the media.
Brazil have been grouped with Australia, Croatia and Japan in Group F, and are favorites to defend their title, even if Ronaldinho won't come straight out and admit it.
Post by: trinidad badboy on January 31, 2006, 12:29:33 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
that funny.......
Post by: kicker on January 31, 2006, 12:40:32 PM
I don't know if anyone made this observation, but do you realize that if we had drawn Brazil's group instead of Japan, we would have had the identical group as in the U-17 WC in Trinidad:
Brazil
Australia
Croatia
T&T
....woulda been an interesting coincidence
Post by: Pointman on January 31, 2006, 12:47:49 PM
Post by: Preacher on January 31, 2006, 12:52:48 PM
man jokey yes
Post by: Filho on January 31, 2006, 01:18:38 PM
I like his comment about Barca- shows a level head.
I don't know if anyone made this observation, but do you realize that if we had drawn Brazil's group instead of Japan, we would have had the identical group as in the U-17 WC in Trinidad:
Brazil
Australia
Croatia
T&T
....woulda been an interesting coincidence
nice observation
Post by: skins on January 31, 2006, 02:40:24 PM
I like his comment about Barca- shows a level head.
I don't know if anyone made this observation, but do you realize that if we had drawn Brazil's group instead of Japan, we would have had the identical group as in the U-17 WC in Trinidad:
Brazil
Australia
Croatia
T&T
....woulda been an interesting coincidence
I didn't know that. Thanks for pointing it out
Post by: SUPA on February 01, 2006, 12:06:06 AM
Post by: Ponnoxx on February 01, 2006, 09:28:04 AM
Post by: skins on March 08, 2006, 11:55:33 AM
The beats around the 1 minute real bad boy.....
Post by: MATADOR on March 08, 2006, 12:35:17 PM
Post by: FLi ! on March 08, 2006, 12:40:58 PM
Post by: Dutty on March 08, 2006, 12:55:18 PM
Unreal skillz
Is too bad de 'net wasnt around in Pele days, so we coulda see a comparison
Post by: fabio on March 08, 2006, 03:17:48 PM
Post by: Ponnoxx on March 08, 2006, 03:36:46 PM
Dat man fadder make ah deal wit de devil when he was small ouiDutty don't talk that.....http://media.putfile.com/ImmortalUNCUT SEE for yourself...Pele is the Greatest to me, others might say different...bless
Unreal skillz
Is too bad de 'net wasnt around in Pele days, so we coulda see a comparison
Post by: fabio on March 08, 2006, 03:46:13 PM
Dat man fadder make ah deal wit de devil when he was small ouiDutty don't talk that.....http://media.putfile.com/ImmortalUNCUT SEE for yourself...Pele is the Greatest to me, others might say different...bless
Unreal skillz
Is too bad de 'net wasnt around in Pele days, so we coulda see a comparison
nah boy ponnoxx boy, d man really was bad in he days ras. he looking just like ronaldinho with some of them moves. and like yorke with some of them heading goals ;D
Post by: Ponnoxx on March 08, 2006, 03:51:56 PM
Post by: legal alien on March 08, 2006, 03:52:34 PM
rivaldo videos. i admit i have not seen him much in action asa a barcelona player. i'd appreciate it..
Post by: Dutty on March 08, 2006, 03:55:43 PM
Dat man fadder make ah deal wit de devil when he was small ouiDutty don't talk that.....http://media.putfile.com/ImmortalUNCUT SEE for yourself...Pele is the Greatest to me, others might say different...bless
Unreal skillz
Is too bad de 'net wasnt around in Pele days, so we coulda see a comparison
Well boy. after watchin dat I stand corrected....what de hell I was thinking atall??? :rotfl:
Gaucho doh wah nuuuutttnnn wit de master
Wicked wicked clip :beermug:
Post by: trinimuse on March 08, 2006, 04:12:41 PM
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/69027/brazil_football/
Post by: Jah Gol on March 08, 2006, 04:20:53 PM
Post by: kicker on March 08, 2006, 04:48:37 PM
Maradonna has some sick highlight reels too....flippin' sick......
Post by: R45 on March 08, 2006, 04:51:34 PM
Post by: JDB on March 08, 2006, 05:32:18 PM
IF he keeps it up he will be in the Maro, Pele discussion in a couple years.
Post by: fari on March 08, 2006, 06:29:10 PM
Post by: Eh! on March 09, 2006, 11:12:24 AM
Post by: Pointman on March 09, 2006, 12:19:47 PM
Ronnie (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/75611/ronaldinho_gaucho/)
The beats around the 1 minute real bad boy.....
I just watching and I and all geh beats ;D
Post by: truetrini on March 12, 2006, 08:25:07 AM
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Post by: kounty on March 12, 2006, 10:50:30 AM
Post by: palos on April 11, 2006, 02:28:23 PM
Post by: JayTheWrecker on April 11, 2006, 02:42:40 PM
best ad on TV bar none :thumbsup:
Post by: palos on April 11, 2006, 02:44:52 PM
best ad on TV bar none :thumbsup:
Jay....yuh see dem behind de leg shake dat Ronaldinho buss out dey? Yuh check de SPEED at which it went dong? Lawdee..... :notworthy: :salute: :wavetowel: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :applause:
Post by: Pointman on April 11, 2006, 02:50:45 PM
Post by: Quags on April 11, 2006, 02:51:04 PM
Post by: palos on April 11, 2006, 02:52:43 PM
de one with Thierry Henry is the sweetest doh :beermug: :beermug: :devil:
Boy...dah one wit Henry is a bess fuh real yes!!!! Holeeeeee...yuh see how he mek de yute cyatspraddle behind de goal??? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: And den he put a wicked spin on de ball to score from BEHIND de blasted net. WOW!
Post by: Pointman on April 11, 2006, 03:01:23 PM
de one with Thierry Henry is the sweetest doh :beermug: :beermug: :devil:
Boy...dah one wit Henry is a bess fuh real yes!!!! Holeeeeee...yuh see how he mek de yute cyatspraddle behind de goal??? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: And den he put a wicked spin on de ball to score from BEHIND de blasted net. WOW!
he remind me ah mehself back in de day...de fella who cyatspraddle dat is :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on April 11, 2006, 03:13:32 PM
de one with Thierry Henry is the sweetest doh :beermug: :beermug: :devil:
Boy...dah one wit Henry is a bess fuh real yes!!!! Holeeeeee...yuh see how he mek de yute cyatspraddle behind de goal??? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: And den he put a wicked spin on de ball to score from BEHIND de blasted net. WOW!
yuh eh see the spanner Henry get before he cyatspraddle the man.
Now that is spanner!!
Post by: JDB on April 11, 2006, 03:29:06 PM
Nike has Henry, Ronaldinho, Ruud, Zlatan, Cristiano Ronaldo, Rooney, Figo?
Adidas has Zidane, Beckham, Lampard, Riquelme, Rau,l Robben, Ballack, Raul
I know I am missing a few who are the following guys sponsored by:
Messi, Eto'o, Adriano, Ronaldo
Post by: Peong on April 11, 2006, 03:29:39 PM
Boy...dah one wit Henry is a bess fuh real yes!!!! Holeeeeee...yuh see how he mek de yute cyatspraddle behind de goal??? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: And den he put a wicked spin on de ball to score from BEHIND de blasted net. WOW!
Yeh da one when he spin de ball was amazing. I never saw that before. Ah hadda try it!
Post by: Peong on April 11, 2006, 03:32:01 PM
Post by: JDB on April 11, 2006, 03:36:23 PM
Ronaldo is with Nike long time.
Thought as much because I know he wears the boots (and is Brazilian) but I haven't seen him in ads recently.
Post by: Pointman on April 11, 2006, 03:37:50 PM
I wonder who has the better promotional stable of ballers.
Nike has Henry, Ronaldinho, Ruud, Zlatan, Cristiano Ronaldo, Rooney, Figo?
Adidas has Zidane, Beckham, Lampard, Riquelme, Rau,l Robben, Ballack, Raul
I know I am missing a few who are the following guys sponsored by:
Messi, Eto'o, Adriano, Ronaldo
yuh coulda just stop after yuh typed the Nike list ;D dat list hard the beat sah.
Post by: Warrior till death on April 11, 2006, 03:51:59 PM
with dem looks he have dere....allyuh see how he was lookin as a chile?!?
oh lard dat is PRESSHA
Post by: kicker on April 11, 2006, 04:10:44 PM
I wonder who has the better promotional stable of ballers.
Nike has Henry, Ronaldinho, Ruud, Zlatan, Cristiano Ronaldo, Rooney, Figo?
Adidas has Zidane, Beckham, Lampard, Riquelme, Rau,l Robben, Ballack, Raul
I know I am missing a few who are the following guys sponsored by:
Messi, Eto'o, Adriano, Ronaldo
Nike will win the flam competition.....but a 8 v 8 match will be close
Post by: dotless007 on April 11, 2006, 04:45:00 PM
Post by: doh_stick on April 11, 2006, 04:46:37 PM
all yuh see the one where ronaldinho hit d crossbar like 5 times
yeah watch de ronaldo one after dat-u go get jones
Post by: morvant on April 11, 2006, 04:47:15 PM
de one with Thierry Henry is the sweetest doh :beermug: :beermug: :devil:
Boy...dah one wit Henry is a bess fuh real yes!!!! Holeeeeee...yuh see how he mek de yute cyatspraddle behind de goal??? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: And den he put a wicked spin on de ball to score from BEHIND de blasted net. WOW!
yuh eh see the spanner Henry get before he cyatspraddle the man.
Now that is spanner!!
de man get de spanner and talking bout no. and denying it like he coulda stop it
Post by: Quags on April 11, 2006, 04:49:49 PM
Post by: Jefferz on April 11, 2006, 05:02:24 PM
if i was de gaolie i would slap he.
:rotfl:
Post by: 1989 on April 11, 2006, 05:21:18 PM
de one with Thierry Henry is the sweetest doh :beermug: :beermug: :devil:
Boy...dah one wit Henry is a bess fuh real yes!!!! Holeeeeee...yuh see how he mek de yute cyatspraddle behind de goal??? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: And den he put a wicked spin on de ball to score from BEHIND de blasted net. WOW!
yuh eh see the spanner Henry get before he cyatspraddle the man.
Now that is spanner!!
I sure didn't like that! ;D
Boy...dah one wit Henry is a bess fuh real yes!!!! Holeeeeee...yuh see how he mek de yute cyatspraddle behind de goal??? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: And den he put a wicked spin on de ball to score from BEHIND de blasted net. WOW!
Yeh da one when he spin de ball was amazing. I never saw that before. Ah hadda try it!
That was a real good move too.
Post by: 1989 on April 11, 2006, 05:25:20 PM
Post by: Warrior till death on April 11, 2006, 05:26:43 PM
Palos, question since we're on this. Did Yorke ever play with Eric Cantona?WA KINDA DUMB QUESTION IS DAT?
LOL
of course not
Post by: 1989 on April 11, 2006, 05:36:19 PM
Post by: palos on April 11, 2006, 05:36:37 PM
Palos, question since we're on this. Did Yorke ever play with Eric Cantona?
Cantona retired from football at the end of the 1996/97 season i.e. May 1997.
Yorke joined Man U in August 1998.
So they would not have played together in a competitive match for Man Utd. Perhaps a fete match, practice game or something.
Post by: JDB on April 11, 2006, 05:39:40 PM
Henry Defects to Reebok (http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,1751682,00.html)
Also
Palos your knowledge of things United is heartening. You are welcome back at any time.
Post by: palos on April 11, 2006, 05:50:10 PM
Palos your knowledge of things United is heartening. You are welcome back at any time.
Thank you JDB. It is always beneficial to learn from the misfortunes of others so that you yourself can avoid similar occurences... ;D
Post by: 1989 on April 11, 2006, 07:33:41 PM
Post by: Jah Gol on April 11, 2006, 08:55:00 PM
Post by: Grande on April 11, 2006, 08:56:50 PM
I now watch this Ronaldinho video... tell me he eh so good.... come on... that has to be a fake... (but a well produced one nonetheless.)
that is de magic of Ronaldinho right there...sometimes yuh does think what he does is camera tricks but then keeping in mind the man skills, yuh does wonder otherwise...
Post by: dumpalewie on April 11, 2006, 09:26:59 PM
I wonder who has the better promotional stable of ballers.Messi, Adriano, Ronaldo are all with Nike
Nike has Henry, Ronaldinho, Ruud, Zlatan, Cristiano Ronaldo, Rooney, Figo?
Adidas has Zidane, Beckham, Lampard, Riquelme, Rau,l Robben, Ballack, Raul
I know I am missing a few who are the following guys sponsored by:
Messi, Eto'o, Adriano, Ronaldo
Eto'o is with Puma.
I'm interested in how much Henry was paid to go to Reebok.
Post by: #8 on April 12, 2006, 04:45:51 AM
Post by: Dutty on April 12, 2006, 07:30:28 AM
the one with christiano ronaldo vs ibrahimovic real fresh...and there's gonna be a ad coming out soon with de title 'fist full of goals' :beermug:
'Fistfull of goals' on there already...yuh hadfda scroll right to the bottom
Post by: #8 on April 12, 2006, 08:07:44 AM
Post by: 1989 on April 12, 2006, 08:50:04 AM
I now watch this Ronaldinho video... tell me he eh so good.... come on... that has to be a fake... (but a well produced one nonetheless.)
that is de magic of Ronaldinho right there...sometimes yuh does think what he does is camera tricks but then keeping in mind the man skills, yuh does wonder otherwise...
I'm talking about the one when he was hitting the bar. Not the one with him as a little boy.
Post by: palos on April 12, 2006, 09:15:32 AM
I now watch this Ronaldinho video... tell me he eh so good.... come on... that has to be a fake... (but a well produced one nonetheless.)
that is de magic of Ronaldinho right there...sometimes yuh does think what he does is camera tricks but then keeping in mind the man skills, yuh does wonder otherwise...
I'm talking about the one when he was hitting the bar. Not the one with him as a little boy.
The one with him hitting the bar repeatedly was camera tricks. This was confirmed by Nike.
Post by: maxg on April 12, 2006, 08:33:17 PM
Post by: scarface on April 13, 2006, 05:16:08 AM
To compare PELE and Ronaldinho is crazy at this point...Pele is the simply the Greatest player ever
allyuh keep arguing this BS over & over without justification. WHo is to say pele wuda be the player he was in today's modern football? & who is to say ronaldinho wuda be d same player in dem days?
is about time allyuh as big men stop the f$%king BS with dis pele is d bess player ever talk. yes he was good IN HIS ERA!!! >:(
Post by: Trinimassive on April 13, 2006, 08:54:48 AM
Pele coulda real beat boy. He doing plenty things I see Ronaldinho doing. Ronnie is the best player of this era.
That should be the other way around....Ronaldinho doing plenty things he see Pele doing :chilling:
What makes Pele the Greatest is that he was doing all these things before Maradona, before Rivaldo, before Ronaldo, before Ronaldinho etc
They all took things from The Master.....Pele took nothing from them ;)
Post by: Dutty on April 13, 2006, 09:11:56 AM
To compare PELE and Ronaldinho is crazy at this point...Pele is the simply the Greatest player ever
allyuh keep arguing this BS over & over without justification. WHo is to say pele wuda be the player he was in today's modern football? & who is to say ronaldinho wuda be d same player in dem days?
is about time allyuh as big men stop the f$%king BS with dis pele is d bess player ever talk. yes he was good IN HIS ERA!!! >:(
One could also argue that Pele's era was more difficult to play in and he was still amazingly skillful, ..which makes him better
When I say more difficult,,,, the shoe technology was not as advanced, the grounds were not as well kept (in some ah de clips pele ha dust commin of he heels..indicating is one rough bumpy grong he playin on) and it seems to me the game was allowed to be rougher back then (old clips full ah HARD blade)
To use a bad analogy:
A trini taxi driver in de 1960's plyin his trade in a hot vauxhall viva with finger-tip shift drivin up and dong southern main road from POS to sando
as opposed to
A 2006 taxi driver in a modern automatic toyota wit cold a/c runnin dong de highway from POS to sando
Both ah dem doin de same wukk...but after 10 hours, who yuh tink wukk harder?
Post by: skins on April 24, 2006, 12:16:34 AM
Length: 28 Minute
Language: German ( Ronaldinho speaks in Spanish )
Three parts.... rar file.
Part 1.. rar file (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=83GA2G23)
Part 2...rar file (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=S36GC0V2)
Part 3.. rar file (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=P1QYOG8M)
Post by: freakazoid on April 24, 2006, 04:21:27 AM
bless
Post by: trinidad badboy on April 24, 2006, 04:55:21 AM
i second dat!!! ;D
Post by: skins on April 24, 2006, 08:49:02 AM
Post by: kandi_tt on April 26, 2006, 01:57:43 PM
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/99423/ronaldinho_show/
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/44521/ronaldinho_drill/
Post by: freakazoid on April 26, 2006, 09:19:25 PM
Post by: ndookie on April 26, 2006, 09:30:52 PM
lawd , this is like a once in a 100 000 thing..
thanks
Post by: Jah Gol on May 28, 2006, 08:55:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSX_OkPMO78&search=brazil%20training (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSX_OkPMO78&search=brazil%20training)
Post by: kicker on May 28, 2006, 09:02:06 PM
What size crowd do you think we have at our sessions ?
Post by: Jah Gol on May 28, 2006, 09:03:41 PM
Post by: Bourbon on May 28, 2006, 09:06:38 PM
On a side note i hear Brazil coach get vex with how de crowd getting on and threatening to ban de public from de rest. When yuh big yuh large yes. Imagine that town........PAY FUH EVERYTING dat related to dem being comfortable.........all Brazil hadda do is show up.........
Post by: kicker on May 28, 2006, 09:07:50 PM
Well...........when it home in Brazil...........of course it have a high demand.....cuz in training is like a prelude to wha could happen.......plus they more relaxed and such and more tend to show off. Trinis however......dem eh want to see all dat.........dem want to come stadium.....see net get bore....drink lime cuss if de result eh positive etc. Few ppl go to see the team train.....which kinda shows how much really backing them.
On a side note i hear Brazil coach get vex with how de crowd getting on and threatening to ban de public from de rest. When yuh big yuh large yes. Imagine that town........PAY FUH EVERYTING dat related to dem being comfortable.........all Brazil hadda do is show up.........
The in-team scrimmage I'm talking about was not in Brazil...It was where they are right now (somewhere in Europe).....same place where that footage was taken from.
Post by: Ponnoxx on May 28, 2006, 09:10:22 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/5642518
I wonder if Ronaldo and them men doesn't tote rel thing...Brazil for WC2006...T&T for 2014
Post by: Bourbon on May 28, 2006, 09:14:54 PM
Quote
I wonder if Ronaldo and them men doesn't tote rel thing...Brazil for WC2006...T&T for 2014
BUH HOW YUH MEAN????
Dem men does drop it like dr evil....."each and every nite i must get some punananany!!!!"
Once yuh a big footballer....a Brazillian footballer to boot......is ting like complimentary wethead and ting!!!Why yuh feel dem coach allowing dem tuh have sex?? He know dat like trying to get jack to tell de truth......he go swear is dat he doing..........buh we all know it isnt. Study it....how much footballers dat big you ever see with a subpar gyal??? I see etoo and he gyal today in papers......good LAWD!!
Post by: Jah Gol on May 28, 2006, 09:35:59 PM
Yeh i know......sorry i neglected to mention WHY that town put out so much...even paid the Brazillian Federation to come there to train. The fact is....that Brazil so well supported and has such a large fan base....the returns that are gained jus like its an investment. I read that they selling tickets 18 dollars for the training.....and they sold out. The fanatical response is what lead them to take those measures. I read a farmer move his herd of pigs so that in the odd event that a breeze pass and give dem a lil whiff.....it eh go affect the team training.It doh matter where dey trainig....people jus want to be dey to see dem. They fanatical.QuoteI wonder if Ronaldo and them men doesn't tote rel thing...Brazil for WC2006...T&T for 2014
BUH HOW YUH MEAN????
Dem men does drop it like dr evil....."each and every nite i must get some punananany!!!!"
Once yuh a big footballer....a Brazillian footballer to boot......is ting like complimentary wethead and ting!!!Why yuh feel dem coach allowing dem tuh have sex?? He know dat like trying to get jack to tell de truth......he go swear is dat he doing..........buh we all know it isnt. Study it....how much footballers dat big you ever see with a subpar gyal??? I see etoo and he gyal today in papers......good LAWD!!
some chick
(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71069473.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=08A8BA3C818346D0937C0AADE4C0E6E0)
Eto'o chick
(http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/71022000.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=08A8BA3C818346D0045105E76D0CB178)
How Shimon Peres get there ?
Post by: Bourbon on May 29, 2006, 06:49:02 AM
Den yuh add tings like dis to de mix. Ah mean de fans important....buh de fellas hadda train!! Yuh cyar deal with everybody!!
Post by: Bitter on June 22, 2006, 11:00:56 AM
How Brazilian soccer players get their names.
By Nick Schulz
http://www.slate.com/id/2143404/
Posted Saturday, June 10, 2006, at 9:09 AM ET
The World Cup kicked off on Friday, and defending champ Brazil will take the field against Croatia on Tuesday*. The South American squad features FIFA World Player of the Year Ronaldinho, along with stars like Ronaldo, Cafu, and Fred. Why do so many Brazilian soccer players go by one name?
That's the Brazilian convention. Nicknames and first names are used in all settings, no matter the gravity. Brazil's president, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, is known to all by his nickname, Lula. Clergymen, doctors, and other professionals are frequently known by an informal name. The phone book for the town of Claudio even lists inhabitants by their nicknames rather than their surnames.
Brazil's affinity for nicknames might stem from the country's historically high illiteracy rate. As such, shortened spoken names are typically used more often than longer birth names. In Brazilian society, the use of a first name or nickname is a mark of intimacy. It's also often a class signifier. Lula, for one, is known for his working-class roots.
Some scholars speculate that the use of single names could have its roots in the slave system. (Slavery was abolished in Brazil in the late 19th century.) When they were documented, slaves would be referred to either by their first name only—say, Joao—or by their first name and country of origin—say, Joao Congo.
When the English introduced soccer to Brazil in the 1800s, Brazilians referred to players in the English manner, by their surnames. But as the sport grew in popularity, nicknaming took over. When the Brazilian national team played its first match in 1914, the squad featured a forward called Formiga, which means "ant" in Portuguese.
Seventeen of the 23 players on Brazil's current World Cup roster go by a single name. There are no hard and fast rules, but naming conventions reflect the Brazilian adoration for goal-scorers and their relatively diminished affection for the players defending their own end. The most famous forwards in Brazilian soccer history, Edson Arantes do Nascimento and Manuel Francisco dos Santos, are better known as Pele and Garrincha. Defenders typically do not have nicknames—the given name of fullback Roberto Carlos is Roberto Carlos da Silva. Goalkeepers tend to be known by their surnames as well as their first names. In almost a century, there has been only one major keeper known by a nickname: Dida, Brazil's starting goalie in this World Cup.
Players with the same first name often change their moniker to differentiate themselves. In recent decades, there have been several Ronaldos at the national level. One became known as Ronaldao, meaning "big Ronaldo." Another became Ronaldinho, meaning "little Ronaldo." When another Ronaldinho came along in the late 1990s, he was called Ronaldinho Gaucho—that is, "little Ronaldo from Rio Grande do Sul." Eventually, the first Ronaldo left the Brazilian national squad, so Ronaldinho became Ronaldo. Ronaldinho Gaucho became Ronaldinho.
Three other nations in this year's World Cup feature lots of players known by only one name. Portugal, Brazil's former colonial overseer, has 10. Portugal's neighbor Spain has six players known by a single moniker. Angola, another former Portuguese colony, has 16, including Jamba, Loco, and Love.
Post by: sprog on June 22, 2006, 12:38:19 PM
Post by: Bitter on June 22, 2006, 12:44:45 PM
Post by: davidephraim on June 22, 2006, 01:09:17 PM
Post by: Pointman on June 22, 2006, 03:07:37 PM
dey give up de slave name or rather the name of the dude who in some situations even raped their for-parents. People aint go want to talk bout dat tho...
;D dis is ah football forum dreadlocks
Post by: Dutty on June 22, 2006, 03:10:52 PM
dey give up de slave name or rather the name of the dude who in some situations even raped their for-parents. People aint go want to talk bout dat tho...
;D dis is ah football forum dreadlocks
Oh gorm leave sellasie leh him vent nah,, poor fellah
de done claim he forced to shop in babylon wal-mart...plus de place flooded out like new orleans
Too much stress on de man
Post by: Filho on June 22, 2006, 04:54:58 PM
Post by: Organic on June 22, 2006, 08:00:10 PM
dey give up de slave name or rather the name of the dude who in some situations even raped their for-parents. People aint go want to talk bout dat tho...
;D dis is ah football forum dreadlocks
Oh gorm leave sellasie leh him vent nah,, poor fellah
de done claim he forced to shop in babylon wal-mart...plus de place flooded out like new orleans
Too much stress on de man
HAHA GOOD THIng my locks is for style
Post by: Observer on June 26, 2006, 07:03:34 AM
Now I know for many Ronaldinho is an untouchable, but I will ask the question anyway.
Does Ronaldinho have to step up and lead Brazil? As World player of the year for the last two years does he need to make the biggest stage his.
Post by: UK_Soca_warrior on June 26, 2006, 07:15:23 AM
Post by: palos on June 26, 2006, 07:28:05 AM
Brazil and in particular Ronaldo has been criticized for their play. With af ew exceptions most of the big names have not been at their best. Kaka for me has been the most consistent and after watching him live his movement and work rate is eye opening, but the supporting cast has not supported. Ronaldo has answered the call (at least in one game).
Now I know for many Ronaldinho is an untouchable, but I will ask the question anyway.
Does Ronaldinho have to step up and lead Brazil? As World player of the year for the last two years does he need to make the biggest stage his.
What do you think?
Me...I think his most important role in this WC will be decoy. We have already seen where regularly 3 players converge on Ronaldinho the moment he gets the ball. So I believe his role will be to get rid of the ball quickly & get it to his teammates because OTHERS will have space to do damage.
That he will step it up is without question. That's a no brainer. It is the first round after all and as somebody said...the REAL World Cup started on Saturday. But PERHAPS when he does step it up, it may not be in the way that many people might envision.
Post by: Jumbie on June 26, 2006, 07:47:22 AM
Post by: Observer on June 26, 2006, 07:59:43 AM
watch nah..doh goatmout meh team and players nah..it eh broke.... 8)
Where U come from? Your team home ahready. Like is ah Trini organge yuh supporting, yellow not the sunkis orange.
Allyuh eh like nobody at all eh ;D
Post by: palos on June 26, 2006, 08:06:37 AM
watch nah..doh goatmout meh team and players nah..it eh broke.... 8)
Where U come from? Your team home ahready. Like is ah Trini organge yuh supporting, yellow not the sunkis orange.
Allyuh eh like nobody at all eh ;D
Wha u went and tell he de result for? Yuh done know he probably eh see de match yet. GPS had to go dept store to shop fuh jeans whole day. :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: shivadee on June 26, 2006, 08:13:13 AM
Brazil and in particular Ronaldo has been criticized for their play. With af ew exceptions most of the big names have not been at their best. Kaka for me has been the most consistent and after watching him live his movement and work rate is eye opening, but the supporting cast has not supported. Ronaldo has answered the call (at least in one game).you watching too much ESPN with the US Comentator.....i hearing U2 song playing in the background for this comment you have here.
Now I know for many Ronaldinho is an untouchable, but I will ask the question anyway.
Does Ronaldinho have to step up and lead Brazil? As World player of the year for the last two years does he need to make the biggest stage his.
Post by: truetrini on June 26, 2006, 08:16:46 AM
Brazil and in particular Ronaldo has been criticized for their play. With af ew exceptions most of the big names have not been at their best. Kaka for me has been the most consistent and after watching him live his movement and work rate is eye opening, but the supporting cast has not supported. Ronaldo has answered the call (at least in one game).you watching too much ESPN with the US Comentator.....i hearing U2 song playing in the background for this comment you have here.
Now I know for many Ronaldinho is an untouchable, but I will ask the question anyway.
Does Ronaldinho have to step up and lead Brazil? As World player of the year for the last two years does he need to make the biggest stage his.
wey allyuh does come from boy?
steups!
Post by: kicker on June 26, 2006, 08:35:55 AM
Adriano & Ronaldo (despite his double) are yet to perform up to expectations in my opinion......Cafu & Roberto Carlos are just not very good players anymore, but no one wants to admit it....and Juan is the glaring weak link in the back......
Despite all of that, Brazil still has a very good shot at winning it all.
Brazil should start Robinho, Cicinho, Gilberto Silva & Gilberto (substitute left back).....leave R.Carlos, Cafu, Emerson & Adriano on the bench....R.Carlos & Cafu are living off legacy, Emerson is a solid player, but gets in the way of creativity & Adriano is going through a rough patch.....
Post by: Grande on June 26, 2006, 08:45:01 AM
Ronaldinho for me has had a real quiet tournament so far. Sure he has three players converge on him as soon as he gets the ball but this happens in his Barca games and he deals with it. His long passes are surprisingly way off too. But, it is Ronaldinho, so no doubt we haven't seen the best of him dis tournament yet. :beermug:
Post by: Marcos on June 26, 2006, 09:05:19 AM
Although, they were pretty bad against Australia, and only average against Croatia, I think Brazil played up to expectations for most of the Japan game, and I dunno about anyone else, but Ronaldinho was superb in that match.....I do agree that alot of Brazil's creativity hinges on Ronaldinho, as the play often goes through him. Robinho has also been very good....
Adriano & Ronaldo (despite his double) are yet to perform up to expectations in my opinion......Cafu & Roberto Carlos are just not very good players anymore, but no one wants to admit it....and Juan is the glaring weak link in the back......
Despite all of that, Brazil still has a very good shot at winning it all.
Brazil should start Robinho, Cicinho, Gilberto Silva & Gilberto (substitute left back).....leave R.Carlos, Cafu, Emerson & Adriano on the bench....R.Carlos & Cafu are living off legacy, Emerson is a solid player, but gets in the way of creativity & Adriano is going through a rough patch.....
I also rather play Juninho than Emerson, but I think Juan has really handled himself well so far.
The play of the defense has been a bright spot for Brazil in my opinion.
Of course I agree with you about Cicinho, I think he is a star (But he still eh ready for Carlos Edwards!)
If Robinho is fit, Adriano definitely cannot start. He can sub Ronaldo at around the 55, 60 minute mark
Post by: davidephraim on June 26, 2006, 09:10:46 AM
Brazil and in particular Ronaldo has been criticized for their play. With af ew exceptions most of the big names have not been at their best. Kaka for me has been the most consistent and after watching him live his movement and work rate is eye opening, but the supporting cast has not supported. Ronaldo has answered the call (at least in one game).
Now I know for many Ronaldinho is an untouchable, but I will ask the question anyway.
Does Ronaldinho have to step up and lead Brazil? As World player of the year for the last two years does he need to make the biggest stage his.
What do you think?
Me...I think his most important role in this WC will be decoy. We have already seen where regularly 3 players converge on Ronaldinho the moment he gets the ball. So I believe his role will be to get rid of the ball quickly & get it to his teammates because OTHERS will have space to do damage.
That he will step it up is without question. That's a no brainer. It is the first round after all and as somebody said...the REAL World Cup started on Saturday. But PERHAPS when he does step it up, it may not be in the way that many people might envision.
Only adding to this that we also have to realize that Barcelona is not Brasil. Brasil doesn't rely on Ronaldhino as much as Barcelona does. Ronaldhino seem to really thrive on the need to need him....
Post by: Bourbon on June 26, 2006, 10:22:28 AM
Post by: Dumplingdinho on June 26, 2006, 10:30:05 AM
Parreira should play him up front with Ronaldo since Robinho is out. Adriano and Ronaldo is not a good combination.
My line up would be
Dida,Juan, Lucio,Cafu,Gilberto,ZeRoberto,GilbertoSilva,
Kaka,Juninho,Ronaldinho,Ronaldo.
regardless of what position Ronaldinho plays right now he still need to step up his game and I have no doubt he will.
Post by: Brej on June 26, 2006, 10:38:41 AM
dont expect to be making to many runs and scoring many goals
he is trying to set up team mates
even if he has a shot he looks to pass the ball
Post by: Trini Madness on June 26, 2006, 12:24:51 PM
Post by: richpy on June 26, 2006, 05:01:16 PM
Post by: Toppa on June 26, 2006, 06:02:51 PM
Post by: morvant on June 26, 2006, 06:46:49 PM
Ronaldinho is definitely not as dominating for Brazil as he is for barcelona. He is playing in a deep lying position. The good thing about that is it creates more space for Kaka because although Ronaldinho is playing deep he still draws a lot of attention from the opposition.
Parreira should play him up front with Ronaldo since Robinho is out. Adriano and Ronaldo is not a good combination.
My line up would be
Dida,Juan, Lucio,Cafu,Gilberto,ZeRoberto,GilbertoSilva,
Kaka,Juninho,Ronaldinho,Ronaldo.
regardless of what position Ronaldinho plays right now he still need to step up his game and I have no doubt he will.
dumplindinho :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
nice name
Post by: trini supporter on June 26, 2006, 08:00:11 PM
Post by: Dumplingdinho on June 26, 2006, 10:22:02 PM
Ronaldinho is definitely not as dominating for Brazil as he is for barcelona. He is playing in a deep lying position. The good thing about that is it creates more space for Kaka because although Ronaldinho is playing deep he still draws a lot of attention from the opposition.
Parreira should play him up front with Ronaldo since Robinho is out. Adriano and Ronaldo is not a good combination.
My line up would be
Dida,Juan, Lucio,Cafu,Gilberto,ZeRoberto,GilbertoSilva,
Kaka,Juninho,Ronaldinho,Ronaldo.
regardless of what position Ronaldinho plays right now he still need to step up his game and I have no doubt he will.
dumplindinho :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
nice name
morvant yuh ketching kicks on mih name... ;D
That is the closest I will get to being ah brazilian.
Post by: berris on June 26, 2006, 10:39:54 PM
Post by: Jah Gol on June 27, 2006, 05:50:50 AM
Post by: LICKS4SO on July 10, 2006, 05:05:32 PM
some may say,that he is among the best of all time. However, Mardonna and Pele made magic during the world cup,
Ronaldinho made a mess!
Post by: Strip on July 10, 2006, 05:18:03 PM
Post by: marcus on July 10, 2006, 05:33:43 PM
I know some man on this board might disagree...but we have given this man god like status
some may say,that he is among the best of all time. However, Mardonna and Pele made magic during the world cup,
Ronaldinho made a mess!
yo yuh real late on this topic, something like this has already been discussed
http://www.socawarriorssc.com/swonline/smf/index.phptopic=18609.msg189756#msg189756
Post by: Filho on July 10, 2006, 05:54:22 PM
I know some man on this board might disagree...but we have given this man god like status
some may say,that he is among the best of all time. However, Mardonna and Pele made magic during the world cup,
Ronaldinho made a mess!
1) Ronaldinho had a poor WC 2006, but he had a boss WC 2002. Doh mind Ronaldo and Rivaldo stole most of the headlines then, everybody know Ronaldinho break out that tournament and Brazil wasn't winning without him. He is already a champion...so doh forget that.
2) Greatness is not made in the WC, but football you play week in week out with your club. The WC may confirm the greatness of some because it is sucha huge spectacle and everybody watches at hte same time, so then you get a mass consensus as to who is best, but this is an inaccurate way to judge the greateness of a player. That is why players who do well in the WC, but are mediocre at club level are considered flukes and not all that good (ie. Schillacci), but if you dominate at club level but don't excel at the WC you are still considered a great player (Van Basten). Many greats don't even get to play in a WC.
Forget the hype. Dominating in a WC takes as much good fortune as skill. Everything has to fall right for you at that time..It is such a short period in a players life. It may be the greatest football event in the world, but it is easy for a lot to go wrong for the best, and a lot to go right for the mediocre. Even the so-called 'one man shows' need a great supporting cast. trust me, if Argentina's defense in 1986 was not superb, and Valdano and Burrchaga were not in such good form, Maradona would still be great, but he may not have been a WC winner. Pele played on 3 WC teams where he was never the only standout megastar...It just not as simple as you trying to put it...plus Ronaldinho is now reaching his peak..everyone can see he is becoming a better player every year.
Post by: injunchile on July 10, 2006, 06:45:53 PM
Post by: Jah Gol on July 10, 2006, 07:05:33 PM
I beg to disagree- The World cup is the big stage with the best players from around the world. That is the yardstick my friends. Ronaldinho is not in the class of Zidane-Please dont mention Maradona and PELE, that is an insult to two greats
Ronaldinho has won Confederation's Cup , the Copa America the Champions league the a World Cup and 2 Spanish titles and he is only 26. With the execption of the Copa America , he was a key if not the key player in each of those successes. How then is not even as the same category as Zidane ?
Post by: Filho on July 10, 2006, 07:24:24 PM
I beg to disagree- The World cup is the big stage with the best players from around the world. That is the yardstick my friends. Ronaldinho is not in the class of Zidane-Please dont mention Maradona and PELE, that is an insult to two greats
Please slow down....I never compared Ronaldinho to any of those players. The World Cup is the game's biggest stage, but it is not the only yardstick because players can lose form or get injured right before a WC. It is too simple to assume that the greatest players will always be at their best during the WC. If that was the case, then explain why Maradona was an average player at WC 1990 or WC 1982 (out of form). Why was Zidane poor in WC 2002 (injured). Crap happens. Why was Van Basten absolutely terrible at WC 1990, and why couldn't the great Platini never get France to a final and looked good but not great in WC 1986 after destroying Euro 1984. These masters of the game at one point or another were shadows of themselves on the biggest stage.......Is Schillaci a great? He was a force to be reckoned with at WC 1990. THe World Cup is just an easy place to idolize a great player because it is the greatest stage...no doubt, but you need more than skill for your shine to star durring that narrow window of opportunity..if you don't accept that..then take win. I eh fighting nobody down on this one.
And though many think Zidane is better than Ronaldinho, I beg to differ. Zidane has nothing over Ronaldinho head to head. You can use this WC as an excuse to elevate Zidane way above Ronaldinho, but I could use WC 2002 to do the opposite, or the last 3 seasons in La Liga when Barca continuously finished aboved Madrid and Ronaldinho
Post by: MickeyRat on July 10, 2006, 07:31:30 PM
Post by: Filho on July 10, 2006, 07:34:55 PM
I beg to disagree- The World cup is the big stage with the best players from around the world. That is the yardstick my friends. Ronaldinho is not in the class of Zidane-Please dont mention Maradona and PELE, that is an insult to two greats
Ronaldinho has won Confederation's Cup , the Copa America the Champions league the a World Cup and 2 Spanish titles and he is only 26. With the execption of the Copa America , he was a key if not the key player in each of those successes. How then is not even as the same category as Zidane ?
Boy..everybody has their favorites. If a man love Zidane, you cyah change that. It is a matter of what style of player you like...because when it comes to actual achievements and ability, Zidane and Ronaldinho are very close. Age for age, Ronaldinho is the more accomplished player...but Zidane has reached the end of his career and proved he is a great. Ronaldinho still has a long way to go to be absolutely proven as a great, because he could fall off or stop improving. I personally love Ronaldinho but I doh begrudge nobody their love of Zidane. He did it all..reached the heights in the late nineties, then hit some lows at WC2002, Euro2004 and La Liga in the last 3 years...but he rose to finish his career with some aplomb (red card excluded) and happened to do so at the WC. As injunchile alluded to..if you hit it at the WC, you can become a legend. Ronaldinho hit his heights with a breaout WC 2002 but has now hit a career low...we will have to wait and see how he responds to the criticism and doubts..If he rises back up like Zidane..even if it is briefly and especially if it is at a WC..he too will become a legend
Post by: Bourbon on July 10, 2006, 07:58:53 PM
Post by: doublet750 on July 10, 2006, 08:02:38 PM
RONALDINHo...NEVER was knocked off the ball...always tried to make a open pass...(and his vision is amazing i might add) ....just because he didnt have players runing around infront of him to give him the option to tuse trickery so he could pass OR shoot we say he AINT SO GOOD????....DONT DARE DEDUCE THAT DECISIOn because my friends look at YORKE .....he was a monster at goal scoring for man utd yet HALF SLAB has always been the one sticking in the vital goals. what you get at club wotn be the same at country .
so if your saying a man who had the same perofrmance as makele ....and the fact he has more offensice spark than makele is a boost(cuz he was runin bak to defend see the coratia game and if that eh convincing then surely ghana had him doing it ) .....but didnt have the attacking options available to supply as did claude ...that he isnt as good as he is ........
well then i would expect you to say something dotish like andrea pirlo deserve to win a world cup cause he played good and he didnt even take to the pitch.....just means u cyah watch or just odnt noe wat total footbal is.
Post by: Grande on July 10, 2006, 08:10:37 PM
nothing else to prove
Post by: weary1969 on July 10, 2006, 08:52:41 PM
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on July 10, 2006, 09:00:36 PM
if Zidane had retired after a poor WC 2002 would he be any less great in all yuh eyes??
and remember he eh win nothing since then
Post by: Touches on July 10, 2006, 09:05:31 PM
Quote
All yuh leave teets alone please
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
A man christen him teets yes.........Kicks.
Post by: palos on July 10, 2006, 09:10:04 PM
IF yuh usin World Cup alone as "de yardstick"...den Pele would really only lay claim to world's greatest player after 1970.
Ironically....Ronaldinho followed a similar path....was outstanding in 2002....and far from it in 2006....yet he have more world cups to come.
Man also forgettin dat de great Diego in he first world cup in 82 was sent off in disgrace against Brazil in their round robin 2nd round match. He had entered the tournament as the best player in the game and left in disgrace.
The point is.....anybody who think Ronaldinho is not deserving of his billing based purely on his showing in this tournament, while fully entitled to dey opinion, eedah ljes lookin fuh talk or doh know football. And to quote Beenie...I say that with all my respect.
Post by: kicker on July 10, 2006, 09:25:54 PM
The point is.....anybody who think Ronaldinho is not deserving of his billing based purely on his showing in this tournament, eedah ljes lookin fuh talk or doh know football.
yuh forget:
or all of the above......
Post by: Jahyouth on July 11, 2006, 07:38:02 AM
Post by: Observer on July 11, 2006, 07:49:53 AM
Anyone who observes football and says Ronaldinho is not a good footballer, is not worth arguing with.
Like in all walks of life people have good days and bad days. So Ronaldinho was not at his best, neither was his team. So it go. Its like the Zizou incident everyone talking if he did not do that france would ah win. Who say so? So what about losing an inspiration like Viera through injury, what about the early blow Henry took and then the subbing of Henry.
Sometimes we just simply unfair to people, lets hope people don't judge us the same way in our daily lives.
Post by: Marcos on July 11, 2006, 09:53:35 AM
DO NOT JUMP BACK ON WHEN THE MAN RIP EVERYBODY AND WIN EVEN MORE
To a man who has already won everything and is widely recognized by his peers as the best,
allyuh really kicksy yes.
Like allyuh eh read d million of posts... d man RIP WC 2002 and won it already.
Post by: Trini Madness on July 11, 2006, 09:58:25 AM
Post by: Trinimassive on July 11, 2006, 10:30:52 AM
Ronaldinho hasn't dominated the World Cup as Pele, Dona, or ZZ or Ronaldo.
The 2002 World Cup was all about Rivaldo and Ronaldo both of them performed exceptionally. Ronaldinho wasn't near their level then and this was supposed to be HIS World Cup to stamp his authority regardless of how others performed around him.
The man hasnt even achieved what Ronaldo has or dominated as Ronaldo has. He has his moments of brilliance but to whom much is given much is expected. He accepted all the awards, and wasn't saying don't call me great please don't, he did all the fancy footwork in the ads, so it's not wrong for people to expect the "greatest of his generation" to deliver especially when it counts MOST.
Post by: kicker on July 11, 2006, 05:20:47 PM
The World Cup IS the biggest yard stick to judge greatness. That is just how it goes.
George Best is considered a footballing great.....which world cup did he dominate ?
Post by: Filho on July 11, 2006, 07:05:15 PM
The World Cup IS the biggest yard stick to judge greatness. That is just how it goes.
Ronaldinho hasn't dominated the World Cup as Pele, Dona, or ZZ or Ronaldo.
The 2002 World Cup was all about Rivaldo and Ronaldo both of them performed exceptionally. Ronaldinho wasn't near their level then and this was supposed to be HIS World Cup to stamp his authority regardless of how others performed around him.
The man hasnt even achieved what Ronaldo has or dominated as Ronaldo has. He has his moments of brilliance but to whom much is given much is expected. He accepted all the awards, and wasn't saying don't call me great please don't, he did all the fancy footwork in the ads, so it's not wrong for people to expect the "greatest of his generation" to deliver especially when it counts MOST.
Sorry but this shows no thought and a very inaccurate memory of WC 2002. All you remember are Ronaldo's and Rivaldo's goals. You seem to forget Ronaldinho growing into Brazil's best player as the tournament progressed. By the time Brazil met England in the quarterfinals, Ronaldingho was the dominant playmaker. England din't have an answer..and please rewatch the final where Rivaldo was totally subdued and Ronaldo missed a hatful of one on ones with Oli Kahn all set up by Ronaldinho. Don't just fall for the hype. And you making up stupidness when you say Ronaldinho accepted greatness (Well he should) but last season when told he was the greatest player in the world..he said he was not even the best payer at Barcelona.
His WC 2002 was arguably better than Zidane's WC 1998. Even the biggest Zidane fans don't remember him doing too much until the final..and he was touted as the best then. He did not live up to the billing. He had one brilliant game and people say he dominated the whole tourney...sorry faulty memory due from blindnes of the final brilliance. Zidane could not even provide an assist for France's forwards..they won every game on the strength of the defense and the only attackimng force in the first round was an unknown called Thierry Henry with 3 goals in 3 games. Zidane didn't even win the Golden Ball in his own country. He ws not bad, but he looked nothing like the world's best player except in one game. If you know anyhting about football you will realize that Zidane in Euro 2000 WAS THE MAN...UNTOUCHABLE. The WC 1998 Zidane was nowhere in that class.
Post by: Marcos on July 11, 2006, 07:36:46 PM
People on this site routinely substantiate their arguments with erroneous facts or anecdotes.
No proof whatsoever.
Besides, everyone knows that R10 is the general.
to suggest that "he not that hot after all" is just asinine.
Chelsea, Real Madrid, England, Germany, Japan, Argentina. Ask those teams if they think Ronaldinho is worth anything.
Each one was destroyed by a virtuoso performance y the one and only buck teeth man.
Post by: Jah Gol on October 06, 2006, 10:58:04 AM
Madrid: Barcelona coach Frank Rijkaard has defended playmaker Ronaldinho from criticism that he is not reproducing the kind of form that earned him the World Player of the Year title.
It is okay to criticise the team because they have shown they can do better but it is too much to only talk about Ronaldinho, Rijkaard told radio Catalunya. He is a fundamental player for us but he isnt a robot. Sometimes we forget he is human.
The Brazilian international failed to live up to expectations at the World Cup finals in Germany and has struggled to inspire the European and Spanish champions in their relatively sluggish start to the season.
(http://www.mumbaimirror.com/nmirror/Mirror%5C2006%5C10%5C6%5C6%5C10520062336533901052006233652156%5Cimages%5Cimgm1s13.jpg)
Cup Effect?
Barca are top of the Primera Liga but some laboured performances have raised questions about the form of the team and Ronaldinho in particular.
What happened in the World Cup hasnt affected him. He had the right attitude but his team mates just didnt connect with him, Rijkaard said. But it is another thing to talk about the pre-season. Because of contractual obligations he had to play every game and this catches up with you in the end.
We have seen a drop in his performances but we arent worried. We are managing it and he is doing what he can for the team which is the most important thing.
Both Rijkaard and defender Rafael Marquez have pinpointed the clubs two-week promotional tour of Mexico and the US as a major disruption to Barcas preparations for the season.
In a separate interview Ronaldinho, who has a history of slow starts, backed Rijkaards assessment of his state of form. I start every season the same. Im getting into it.
Mumbai Mirror
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/nmirror/mmpaper.asp?sectid=6&articleid=10520062336533901052006233652156
Post by: Lionpaw on October 06, 2006, 11:09:56 AM
Ronaldinhos also human
Madrid: Barcelona coach Frank Rijkaard has defended playmaker Ronaldinho from criticism that he is not reproducing the kind of form that earned him the World Player of the Year title.
It is okay to criticise the team because they have shown they can do better but it is too much to only talk about Ronaldinho, Rijkaard told radio Catalunya. He is a fundamental player for us but he isnt a robot. Sometimes we forget he is human.
The Brazilian international failed to live up to expectations at the World Cup finals in Germany and has struggled to inspire the European and Spanish champions in their relatively sluggish start to the season.
Cup Effect?
Barca are top of the Primera Liga but some laboured performances have raised questions about the form of the team and Ronaldinho in particular.
What happened in the World Cup hasnt affected him. He had the right attitude but his team mates just didnt connect with him, Rijkaard said. But it is another thing to talk about the pre-season. Because of contractual obligations he had to play every game and this catches up with you in the end.
We have seen a drop in his performances but we arent worried. We are managing it and he is doing what he can for the team which is the most important thing.
Both Rijkaard and defender Rafael Marquez have pinpointed the clubs two-week promotional tour of Mexico and the US as a major disruption to Barcas preparations for the season.
In a separate interview Ronaldinho, who has a history of slow starts, backed Rijkaards assessment of his state of form. I start every season the same. Im getting into it.
Mumbai Mirror
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/nmirror/mmpaper.asp?sectid=6&articleid=10520062336533901052006233652156
Club baller Ronaldinho is not as good as the great Zidane. Mi rate the both of them still. Ronaldinho has more fancy moves but Zidane has more impact on a match.
Post by: Jah Gol on October 06, 2006, 11:16:00 AM
Post by: dinho on October 23, 2006, 04:01:20 AM
getting easily muscled off ball, making numerous bad passes, cant beat his marker, wayward free kicks, and most telling.... not smiling.. and if yuh thought a smiling ronnie was ugly then yuh should see a sulking ronnie..
whats up with dinho?
Post by: Jumbie on October 23, 2006, 05:29:38 AM
Barca real let meh dong the past couple games.. not only is small ron not on his game.. they seem ineffective up front with out Eto.
Post by: Observer on October 23, 2006, 06:21:09 AM
Post by: doublet750 on October 23, 2006, 06:45:41 AM
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Post by: trini supporter on October 23, 2006, 09:13:22 AM
Post by: WestCoast on October 23, 2006, 09:20:39 AM
Is de friggin headband.you ent lie ;D :D ;) :)
Post by: Coop's on October 23, 2006, 09:28:06 AM
I don't care what anyone says no team can or will dominate Football for life,they all going to rise and fall,they will have good games and bad games,players will come and they will go,there is a time for every one.
There is a saying "uneasy lies the head that wears the crown"every team is gunning for Barca they never have an easy game,they make it look easy by the way they play,the day they don't perform they in big trouble,some people get on as though Barca invincible,if you look at the best club teams in the world they can beat each other on any given day.If Barca is so good they should be able to perform without Eto,a lot of top teams are still doing well though they lost key players.
I sometimes wonder how these big name players perform so well under all the scrutiny/pressures they undergo on a daily basis,they usually have no privacy can't say or do anything without someone else have something to say,in other words they don't have a life,it's going to affect them at some time.
Post by: jai john on October 23, 2006, 10:39:20 AM
Rijkard has to earn his money now by managing a situation where his main players are not firing on all cylinders. Many point to Ronaldinho but few realise that Deco is the linchpin in the team. When he plays badly the team does not click.
For years Ronalnho has simply had to wat around on the half and the ball gets to him where he can begin his work. This usually happens because Deco does the donkey work of not only stopping the opposing players but launching and organising Barca's attack. How many gave any importance to Deco being substituted and barca's less than impressive standards against Madrid ?
Deco was voted best midfielder in Europe last year ......that is no mean feat ..so many must have seen his role as important to barca's successes. While we focus on Ronaldinho because he is nvolved at the end Deco's role is more important for the smooth transition of the team from defense to attack.
if I was a barca fan I would worry more about Deco's form than ronnie's ..... but then I am not a brca fan and at Villareal we have our own problems ..
Post by: Jah Gol on October 24, 2006, 09:16:46 PM
Brazilian footballer Ronaldinho realised a childhood dream when he met basketball star Michael Jordan.
Jordan took time away from promoting a new clothing line to shake hands with the Fifa world player of the year and talk about all things sport in Barcelona.
Ronaldinho said that he had admired Jordan since he was a boy and that his passion for the 43-year-old American increased when he moved to Europe and could snap up his clothing range.
"There are a lot of people that would like to have this privilege. Most of my friends would have liked to be here, so this a double joy," he said about meeting his idol.
"It makes me feel good that he watched or remembered or had seen me play, that I have influenced in some way how he performed in a soccer field," Jordan said about the 26-year-old.
"I take it to the heart and it means a lot that I can influence someone like him, even if I don't play any more and he has never been to one of my games. "
http://www.itv.com/news/index_be25e5f4007102f3cf130daa4426fe69.html
Post by: dinho on October 25, 2006, 04:04:32 AM
(http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20061023/i/r2854632296.jpg)MJ: Just because the headband worked for me doesn't mean it will work for you ;D
Post by: Bourbon on October 25, 2006, 07:04:47 AM
Post by: Observer on October 25, 2006, 08:39:53 AM
He is human !
Rijkard has to earn his money now by managing a situation where his main players are not firing on all cylinders. Many point to Ronaldinho but few realise that Deco is the linchpin in the team. When he plays badly the team does not click.
For years Ronalnho has simply had to wat around on the half and the ball gets to him where he can begin his work. This usually happens because Deco does the donkey work of not only stopping the opposing players but launching and organising Barca's attack. How many gave any importance to Deco being substituted and barca's less than impressive standards against Madrid ?
Deco was voted best midfielder in Europe last year ......that is no mean feat ..so many must have seen his role as important to barca's successes. While we focus on Ronaldinho because he is nvolved at the end Deco's role is more important for the smooth transition of the team from defense to attack.
if I was a barca fan I would worry more about Deco's form than ronnie's ..... but then I am not a brca fan and at Villareal we have our own problems ..
Some truth to this Deco has a big part to play, but last year Deco missed a number of games, allowing Inesta to step in and Barca still played well. Barca fans on their website feel too many changes were made to the squad. Many not sold on Thuram and many feel that Marquez, Motta and Van Bommel did not get enough credit last season for their ability as ball winners allowing Ronaldinho, Messi etc to do what they do. Now Rjkaard has not used Motta and Marquez and chooses to go with Edmilson. I for one think injury has hampered Edmilson and it shows in his play. Maybe getting rid of Van Bommel or not using two known ball winners who are also good passers, has not served Deco well. Just a thought, but Maxi, Inesta and Deco makes the Midfield light weight mainly because they are all similar.
Post by: Ponnoxx on October 25, 2006, 09:19:06 AM
Post by: superoli on October 25, 2006, 09:27:01 AM
Post by: andre samuel on October 25, 2006, 11:34:39 AM
Post by: !aCkuT on October 25, 2006, 04:08:56 PM
The man is the best player in the world...
correction ...he WAS the best player in the world
i think he missing Etoo das y he playin so
Post by: SUPA on October 25, 2006, 04:30:36 PM
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on October 25, 2006, 05:54:52 PM
I personally think he have ghonnorrhea in his foot
coupled with conjuctiveitis of the toenail................a deadly combination
Post by: Jah Gol on October 26, 2006, 07:56:29 AM
How the best player on earth is in a so-called crisis
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/ricardo_setyon/10/24/ronaldinho.crisis/p1_ronaldinho_1023.jpg)
I've been around soccer for 26 years, and I can honestly say the best thing about it is becoming friends with the young players who become the stars of tomorrow.
I got to know Ronaldo before his fame and riches. I became close with Roberto Carlos, Sammy Kuffour, Frank Leboeuf, Mchel Salgado, ker Casillas and Javier Saviola.
But my favorite was the boy who never changed, who stayed humble through it all and still similes as wide as ever: Ronaldinho. That's why it's so hard to hear that the new king of Brazilian soccer, the two-time FIFA Player of the Year, is being called out.
Some commentators say Ronaldinho seems to be going through a dark period. So he had a miserable World Cup -- that's true. And he hasn't played well for the Brazilian national team for about a year now. Even Brazilians don't really understand why he can't display half the talent while wearing the canary and blue that he does when he wears the Barcelona jersey.
Some are saying Ronaldinho is in his "football midlife crisis," the period when a player reaches the age of 26 and fights to keep his game at the same level for his final 5-7 years of his career as a pro.
Even Ronaldinho doesn't really get it. He can't explain why the last goal he scored for Brazil was 14 games ago -- a year and four months have passed since Brazil's splendid victory over Argentina in the final of the Confederations Cup.
"It looks as if I wasn't one of the best players of last season's Champions League, and as if Barcelona won the Spanish title and all those games without me," Ronaldinho told me over the phone last week. "I think people are trying to sell papers on my back. Thank God that I have a great family, fantastic friends, a good head and top quality infrastructure and relationships at Barcelona. Without that, I think, I could get a bit disturbed -- so much criticism is coming in my direction."
To most of the world, Ronaldinho is in emergency mode. It's almost like a magic trick. He's lost a step. He can't create. He's forgotten how to score.
Some in the press say he hasn't been the same since scoring two magnificent goals last season in Barcelona's 3-0 destruction of archrival Real Madrid. But the real crisis began earlier this month, when Brazil's new tough-love head coach, Dunga, did the unthinkable: He benched Ronaldinho in a friendly against Ecuador in Stockholm.
"It was a phase, a necessary measure, to show that things at the national team aren't the same," Ronaldinho said. "I accept the bench without worries. I hope people will accept without questioning that, after I showed what I know and that I am part of that team and ready to sacrifice, I have a place among the starting XI."
Wearing No. 20, Ronaldinho entered the game in the first half and immediately changed the tempo, hitting the bar on consecutive free kicks and then setting up the game-winner to Kak, ensuring a 2-0 Brazil victory.
A few days later, Ronaldinho had two beautiful goals in Barcelona's 3-0 victory over Sevilla, and there was even talk of him winning his third straight FIFA Player of the Year award. But then the criticism resurfaced as Bara was defeated soundly by Chelsea in the Champions League last week, then was demolished 2-0 by Real Madrid last weekend.
Ronaldinho didn't play badly in either match, and actually showed flashes of his old brilliance against Real. But two games, a combined 180 minutes without a goal from the best player in the world -- that's what stands out.
"I am sad," he admitted after the defeat to Bara's old enemy. "[My teammates and I] needed to cheer each other up after the match. I have to take a new road now. To beat that psychological pressure that is straining me daily. The result was the worst possible."
Mighty Barcelona is beginning to struggle, giving up its lone hold of first place in Spain. And it appears that Ronaldinho is the fall guy. But he recognizes it all and takes it in stride. Less than 24 hours after the defeat, he was back on TV, his regular smiling self, for a Nike promotion in the Catalan capital with none other than Michael Jordan -- a guy who knows a thing or two about bouncing back.
"It seems I am the center of the situation of Bara," Ronaldinho told me. "I feel that deeply. Words are not enough now. But I will talk back, answer everyone -- friends and foes -- with the ball. I will talk back."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/ricardo_setyon/10/24/ronaldinho.crisis/
Post by: Bourbon on October 26, 2006, 11:35:27 AM
Post by: JayTheWrecker on December 21, 2006, 05:14:03 PM
Barcelona's Brazilian international striker Ronaldinho has applied for Spanish citizenship, which he could obtain early in 2007, a spokesman for the Catalan club has confirmed.
According to Catalunya Radio, the two-time world player of the year, presented the necessary documents himself before a court in Gava, in the Barcelona suburbs, on Wednesday.
"The process was started a long time ago and the player is handling the details himself," a Barcelona club spokesman said Thursday.
The 26-year-old former Paris Saint Germain player joined Barcelona in 2003, winning the Champions League with the club last year.
His Mexican teammate Rafael Marquez recently obtained Spanish citizenship.
Apart from Ronaldinho, the only other non-EU player at Barcelona this season is Cameroon's Samuel Eto'o, who is currently injured.
Ronaldinho's obtaining Spanish citizenship would allow young Mexican-Brazilian player Giovanni dos Santos move up to Barcelona's first team.
- AFP
Post by: Trini _2026 on December 21, 2006, 05:35:44 PM
Post by: saga pinto on December 21, 2006, 06:34:02 PM
http://www.soccerway.com/news/2006/December/21/ronaldinho-applies-for-spanish-citizenship-/
Barcelona's Brazilian international striker Ronaldinho has applied for Spanish citizenship, which he could obtain early in 2007, a spokesman for the Catalan club has confirmed.
According to Catalunya Radio, the two-time world player of the year, presented the necessary documents himself before a court in Gava, in the Barcelona suburbs, on Wednesday.
"The process was started a long time ago and the player is handling the details himself," a Barcelona club spokesman said Thursday.
The 26-year-old former Paris Saint Germain player joined Barcelona in 2003, winning the Champions League with the club last year.
His Mexican teammate Rafael Marquez recently obtained Spanish citizenship.
Apart from Ronaldinho, the only other non-EU player at Barcelona this season is Cameroon's Samuel Eto'o, who is currently injured.
Ronaldinho's obtaining Spanish citizenship would allow young Mexican-Brazilian player Giovanni dos Santos move up to Barcelona's first team.
- AFP
Who gives ah shit..............
Post by: JayTheWrecker on December 22, 2006, 03:24:12 AM
you miserable c**t
Post by: WestCoast on December 22, 2006, 04:17:56 AM
Dais de onlyest reason? ;D
Not because he WANTS to be a Spaniard. ;)
Post by: Midknight on December 22, 2006, 05:47:10 AM
Not because he WANTS to be a Spaniard. ;)
He might not want to be a spanird, but trust me when you a foreigner working (or studying) in Europe you would sell you grandmother for citizenship just to stop having to do all them crappy administrative tralala every damn year...
Post by: legal alien on December 22, 2006, 06:27:12 AM
Giovanni dos Santos will be trouble next WCQtell me more about him. never heard of him.
in the meantime , i'll try to look for any internet info on him...
Post by: Carib-Briton on December 22, 2006, 06:39:01 AM
You tube is youGiovanni dos Santos will be trouble next WCQtell me more about him. never heard of him.
in the meantime , i'll try to look for any internet info on him...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_dos_Santos
Post by: Rodney on December 22, 2006, 06:40:04 AM
Giovanni dos Santos will be trouble next WCQtell me more about him. never heard of him.
in the meantime , i'll try to look for any internet info on him...
He is de fella that Help mexico win the Under17 WC this year(sorry last year!). He is of Brazilian origin. did'nt Arsenal try to get him?
Post by: Dutty on December 22, 2006, 08:53:32 AM
sorry for posting it....
you miserable c**t
LAWD!! :o
:-X :D ;D :rotfl:
Post by: legal alien on December 22, 2006, 06:48:58 PM
Post by: Filho on December 22, 2006, 07:14:52 PM
Giovanni dos Santos will be trouble next WCQtell me more about him. never heard of him.
in the meantime , i'll try to look for any internet info on him...
He is de fella that Help mexico win the Under17 WC this year(sorry last year!). He is of Brazilian origin. did'nt Arsenal try to get him?
only his pops is Brazilian. His mom is Mexican and he was born in Mexico. Pops played professional ball in Mexico and stayed.
Post by: Jefferz on December 22, 2006, 09:34:59 PM
sorry for posting it....
you miserable c**t
dont mind him Jay... he has been angry ever since we found out he takin men steady.
Post by: saga pinto on December 22, 2006, 10:06:08 PM
sorry for posting it....
you miserable c**t
dont mind him Jay... he has been angry ever since we found out he takin men steady.
Jefferz you remember that boy! I just have this feeling yuh car ent starting right and yuh dying for ah oil change... ;D ;D ;D
Post by: saga pinto on December 22, 2006, 10:12:16 PM
sorry for posting it....
you miserable c**t
Jay or is it Gay,but anyway if you notice I never attack you breds,so yuh turn around an call meh ah M.C. no love lost,but I think it yuh should have read I.l.Y.M.C.
Post by: WestCoast on December 22, 2006, 10:44:59 PM
some ah dem REAL ::) men on here does fight he dong
Keep dem coming Saga ;D ;D ;D ;D
insecurity bad no armen
Post by: Jefferz on December 22, 2006, 11:23:48 PM
sorry for posting it....
you miserable c**t
dont mind him Jay... he has been angry ever since we found out he takin men steady.
Jefferz you remember that boy! I just have this feeling yuh car ent starting right and yuh dying for ah oil change... ;D ;D ;D
and I have a feeling you have gone from just gay to delusional gay.
Post by: davidephraim on December 22, 2006, 11:51:25 PM
Giovanni dos Santos will be trouble next WCQ
trouble for who? Mexico or Brasil? who he running out with?
Post by: JayTheWrecker on December 23, 2006, 05:29:05 AM
sorry for posting it....
you miserable c**t
Jay or is it Gay,but anyway if you notice I never attack you breds,so yuh turn around an call meh ah M.C. no love lost,but I think it yuh should have read I.l.Y.M.C.
if you don't find a thread interesting, fair enough, just move on like the rest of us. Your post was unnecessary and uncalled for
but I accept that my subsequent reply was even more unnecessary and way out of proportion and for that I apologise
Post by: saga pinto on December 23, 2006, 08:26:54 AM
sorry for posting it....
you miserable c**t
Jay or is it Gay,but anyway if you notice I never attack you breds,so yuh turn around an call meh ah M.C. no love lost,but I think it yuh should have read I.l.Y.M.C.
if you don't find a thread interesting, fair enough, just move on like the rest of us. Your post was unnecessary and uncalled for
but I accept that my subsequent reply was even more unnecessary and way out of proportion and for that I apologise
Cool,you're definitely a class act,my response was also in poor taste an for that I apologise. Merry Christmasto you and your Family...peace :) :)
Post by: saga pinto on December 23, 2006, 08:35:24 AM
sorry for posting it....
you miserable c**t
dont mind him Jay... he has been angry ever since we found out he takin men steady.
Jefferz you remember that boy! I just have this feeling yuh car ent starting right and yuh dying for ah oil change... ;D ;D ;D
and I have a feeling you have gone from just gay to delusional gay.
Jefferz, we cool alright breds and Merry Christmas............
Post by: kaliman2006 on December 23, 2006, 12:52:56 PM
Post by: kicker on December 23, 2006, 01:06:18 PM
Does this mean that Ronaldinho is eligible to play for Spain in international competition?
If you're serious about that question:
of course not...he's rep'd Brazil at the senior level God knows how many times...the move for Spanish citizenship frees up another spot for a non European Union player at Barca.....and would make administrative processes for Ronaldinho less of a headache, as he would no longer be a "foreigner" under a work permit.....
Post by: kaliman2006 on December 23, 2006, 02:07:07 PM
Does this mean that Ronaldinho is eligible to play for Spain in international competition?
If you're serious about that question:
of course not...he's rep'd Brazil at the senior level God knows how many times...the move for Spanish citizenship frees up another spot for a non European Union player at Barca.....and would make administrative processes for Ronaldinho less of a headache, as he would no longer be a "foreigner" under a work permit.....
Thanks
Post by: #8+1 on December 23, 2006, 02:14:51 PM
I know what that shit's all about!lol
Does this mean that Ronaldinho is eligible to play for Spain in international competition?
If you're serious about that question:
of course not...he's rep'd Brazil at the senior level God knows how many times...the move for Spanish citizenship frees up another spot for a non European Union player at Barca.....and would make administrative processes for Ronaldinho less of a headache, as he would no longer be a "foreigner" under a work permit.....
Thanks
Post by: Jefferz on December 23, 2006, 05:03:40 PM
hmph... well... you behaved like a little panty man... but hey... you apologized and theres no way i can continue to give yuh trouble fuh it... so truce...sorry for posting it....
you miserable c**t
dont mind him Jay... he has been angry ever since we found out he takin men steady.
Jefferz you remember that boy! I just have this feeling yuh car ent starting right and yuh dying for ah oil change... ;D ;D ;D
and I have a feeling you have gone from just gay to delusional gay.
Jefferz, we cool alright breds and Merry Christmas............
Merry Christmas to you and yuh family.
Post by: WestCoast on December 23, 2006, 07:12:43 PM
Post by: JayTheWrecker on December 24, 2006, 04:03:25 AM
Cool,you're definitely a class act,my response was also in poor taste an for that I apologise. Merry Christmasto you and your Family...peace :) :)
we're cool man :)
Seasons Greetings to you and your family :)
Post by: JayTheWrecker on December 24, 2006, 04:05:29 AM
Post by: Eh! on December 24, 2006, 10:42:18 AM
Post by: Jah Gol on December 28, 2006, 10:35:49 AM
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/27/sports/LA_SPT_SOC_Ronaldinho_School.php
(http://www.goal.com/images/16137_news.jpg)
PORTO ALEGRE, Brazil: Ronaldinho teared up during Wednesday's inauguration of a soccer school for needy children he's bankrolling in his southeastern Brazilian hometown.
Ronaldinho, the two-time world player of the year, was born in a Porto Alegre shantytown.
His Ronaldinho Gaucho Institute will serve as many as 3,500 children after it officially opens in March.
While soccer will be emphasized, other sports will also be offered, along with classes in theater, dance, languages, and computer science.
If the school produces new soccer stars, "that would be great, but it's not the point," said Roberto de Assis, Ronaldinho's brother, who will run the school.
The purpose of the institute is to "give an opportunity for these youths' growth," de Assis said.
Ronaldinho, the Brazil and FC Barcelona star, should reportedly receive Spanish citizenship next year, making him eligible to appear for Barcelona as a European Union player.
The Associated Press
Published: December 27, 2006
Post by: Tongue on December 29, 2006, 11:31:05 AM
Post by: Peong on December 29, 2006, 12:56:37 PM
BTW with Ronaldinho becoming an EU citizen, that should free up a space in the Barca squad for Carlos Edwards or Kenwyne Jones ;D
Post by: kicker on December 29, 2006, 01:10:31 PM
Well done.
BTW with Ronaldinho becoming an EU citizen, that should free up a space in the Barca squad for Carlos Edwards or Kenwyne Jones ;D
:rotfl:
I could die a happy man if one of our boys played at Barca...and even happier if they played at Madrid ;D
Post by: Bourbon on December 29, 2006, 01:35:56 PM
Quote
I could die a happy man if one of our boys played at Barca...and even happier if they played at Madrid
Just hold on about 10-15 years....i planning to unleash my lil bro..... ;D
Post by: Jah Gol on December 29, 2006, 09:09:13 PM
http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=200005
FC Barcelona number 10 Ronaldinho Gacho was voted best footballer in Europe for the third consecutive year.
The award is announced after a panel of the top 25 football journalists in Europe submit their votes for Uruguayan paper 'El Pas' in much the same way France Football sponsors the Ballon DOr.
Ronaldinho garnered a total of 54 votes, keeping Real Madrid and Italy defender Fabio Cannavaro eleven votes behind the recent FIFA World Player winner. Thierry Henry (Arsenal) came in third with 35 votes.
Its the first time that a player wins the award three times ina row, Ronaldinho now only being bettered in the papers ranking by a Zinedine Zidane who was voted best player on four separate occasions, albeit not consecutively.
As to Coaches Jos Mourinho (Chelsea) took gold with 46 votes, beating opposite number Frank Rijkaard (FC Barcelona) by a scarce, yet telling, three votes.
The panel also selected an ideal first eleven that is composed of four Italians, two Englishmen, two Brazilians, one Frenchman, one Spaniard and one representative of Africa from the Ivory Coast:
Post by: Jah Gol on January 04, 2007, 11:19:26 AM
Brazilian state news agency on Wednesday said that Judge Antonio Aurelio Duarte of Rio de Janeiro's Tribunal of Justice had made the decision in December.
Ronhaldinho had been paying 4,700 dollars a month to support Joao - the child he had with dancer Janaina Mendes - as well as paying for bodyguards and a 70 square meter apartment in the Barrada Tijuca neighborhood for both mother and child.
Courts ordered Ronaldinho to double his child support payments in November. Ronaldinho did so, but then stopped paying the bodyguards' salaries.
Mendes went back to courts immediately, and won a provisional 50 percent increase to the payments.
Judge Duarte has ordered an investigation into the player's finances before setting a definitive child support figure.
In Brazil, child support payments are usually between 15 and 40 percent of the father's income.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-01/04/content_5563172.htm
Post by: Andre on January 04, 2007, 11:22:53 AM
Post by: Peong on January 04, 2007, 01:36:45 PM
Post by: Ngozi on January 04, 2007, 02:49:35 PM
Post by: dcs on January 04, 2007, 05:49:34 PM
That is plenty boy wey. I woulda keep the child and send Mendes on she way.
For real....woman making money off child...must be going beauty parlour all kinda ting. If the money was going directly to the child upkeep/education then cool. Otherwise is best he buy out de contract :devil:
Post by: Jay10 on January 04, 2007, 10:45:00 PM
and by dancer.....is stripper in we terms??...lol...
Post by: supporter on January 04, 2007, 11:12:41 PM
Post by: Savannah boy on January 04, 2007, 11:55:14 PM
Post by: Andre on January 05, 2007, 08:01:16 AM
I know somebody payin child support for one of his kids
His baby momma car, crib is bigger than his
You will see him on TV Any Given Sunday
Win te Champions League and drive off in a Hyundai
She was spose to buy ya shorty tyco with ya money
She went to the doctor got lipo with ya money
She walkin around lookin like Michael with ya money
Shoulda got that insured, GEICO for ya moneeey(your money)
If you aint no punk holla We Want Prenupt
WE WANT PRENUPT!, Yeaah
It's something that you need to have
Cause when she leave yo ass she gone leave with half
18 years, 18 years
And on the 18th birthday he found out it wasn't his
Post by: dwolfman on January 05, 2007, 08:29:33 AM
She got one of yo kids got you for 18 years
I know somebody payin child support for one of his kids
His baby momma car, crib is bigger than his
You will see him on TV Any Given Sunday
Win te Champions League and drive off in a Hyundai
She was spose to buy ya shorty tyco with ya money
She went to the doctor got lipo with ya money
She walkin around lookin like Michael with ya money
Shoulda got that insured, GEICO for ya moneeey(your money)
If you aint no punk holla We Want Prenupt
WE WANT PRENUPT!, Yeaah
It's something that you need to have
Cause when she leave yo ass she gone leave with half
18 years, 18 years
And on the 18th birthday he found out it wasn't his
What's up with Andre aka Kanye? :devil:
How come he needed to go to court in the first place? He still contesting that the child is his? Besides, that money isn't going to do nearly as much as if he has a proper relationship with his son.
Post by: Jah Gol on January 06, 2007, 05:07:28 PM
The Brazilian player is apparently unhappy at Barcelona following the latest argument with Rijkaard.
Reports from Italy are suggesting that Ronaldinho might not remain just a dream for Milan and its fans. According to these speculations, the Brazilian's rapport with Barcelona is not as good as it was a few months back, mainly due to the frequent arguments with Coach Frank Rijkaard.
The latest incident occurred on the return from the Christmas holidays, where Ronaldinho arrived late and Rijkaard punished the player by letting him train on his own.
All of this could help Milan in their bid to sign the world class forward and bring him to San Siro to play along Kaka.
In case that the relationship between Ronaldinho and Barcelona continues to deteriorate, the Rossoneri are prepared to splash 110 million Euros in order to sign Ronaldinho and make all Milan fans happy.
http://www.maltastar.com/pages/msFullArt.asp?an=8918
Post by: jai john on January 06, 2007, 05:29:03 PM
Anyone else who has the savvy can also help ....
Post by: Teflon Don on January 06, 2007, 05:34:37 PM
Post by: Trini _2026 on January 06, 2007, 06:02:31 PM
Rijkaard go get fired b4 dey sell ronnie trust meh.....if ronnie have a prob wit d coach he hadda go....daz it they have ne truth to this story
Ronaldinho eh bigger than barcelona he get out ah line they of load him .. plain and simple
Ha you think it like that eh yuh think them clubs doh tolerate indiscipline .. if the reports are true he comming back late from christmas break arguing with the coach etcetc .....
Post by: Deeks on January 06, 2007, 08:31:37 PM
Post by: jai john on January 07, 2007, 07:10:08 AM
Whey the hell they getting 100 mill for this man. That is the national budget for some countries
dey could ask jack :devil:
Post by: jai john on January 07, 2007, 07:10:51 AM
Whey the hell they getting 100 mill for this man. That is the national budget for some countries
dey could ask jack for a loan :devil:
Post by: Jah Gol on January 07, 2007, 08:22:05 AM
Money is no problem for these Italians it seems with Inter readying a bid of 100M for Messi ...Jah Gol on another point ..I have a question .... can you explain in layman's terms how you can post a stream on this site ? can you also mention the things I need to have to do that ...I might be able to stream some of the Copa america this year ...
Anyone else who has the savvy can also help ....
You need a TV card a high speed internet connection (DSL/cable modem) and a program called windows media encoder. I could send you the instructions in an e-mail.
Post by: Filho on January 07, 2007, 10:05:50 AM
If Ronaldinho were to leave Barca for Milan, I hope Barca would make sure they get Kaka in exchange ;D
Either way, I feel Ronaldinho staying put and Kaka going Real Madrid next year.
Post by: jai john on January 07, 2007, 02:45:58 PM
Money is no problem for these Italians it seems with Inter readying a bid of 100M for Messi ...Jah Gol on another point ..I have a question .... can you explain in layman's terms how you can post a stream on this site ? can you also mention the things I need to have to do that ...I might be able to stream some of the Copa america this year ...
Anyone else who has the savvy can also help ....
You need a TV card a high speed internet connection (DSL/cable modem) and a program called windows media encoder. I could send you the instructions in an e-mail.
Thanks ...I will try to get the TV card and the windows encoder ..mail me the instructions
Post by: doublet750 on January 08, 2007, 01:49:35 AM
Post by: Trini _2026 on January 11, 2007, 07:01:52 PM
BBC Sport
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/6254173.stm
Tottenham midfielder Edgar Davids could be set to join David Beckham in signing for a Major League Soccer club.
FC Dallas, managed by former Arsenal midfielder Steve Morrow, are hopeful of signing the 33-year-old, who is surplus to requirement at Spurs.
"We are actually in negotiations with Edgar Davids - we've been speaking for a couple of weeks," said Morrow.
"We were excited to hear about his availability, so we spoke to his agents and have been told he is available."
Beckham agreed a five-year contract with LA Galaxy on Thursday and will leave Real Madrid for the US at the end of the Spanish season.
And Morrow is confident of taking Davids to the MLS as well.
He added on BBC London: "It appears Tottenham are willing to listen to offers.
"It's the transfer window in the United States now - and if a deal is going to happen it has to be done before the end of the month."
Davids joined Tottenham on a free transfer from Inter Milan in August 2005.
His last appearance for the club was against Southend in the Carling Cup on 20 December.
Post by: Trini _2026 on January 11, 2007, 07:05:18 PM
Post by: JERSEY TRINI on January 11, 2007, 07:11:35 PM
Post by: Grande on January 11, 2007, 07:15:52 PM
I waiting to see that Ronaldo one, and allyuh know it coming. Once somebody makes the first move (which Becks done do) is now everybody else could jump and not be the laughin stock of europe because of the dollar potential they could get out of it.
I am two-minded on that Ronaldo rumour. If he goes to MLS, I will be able to go watch his games. But, he won't be playing at the highest level anymore and I definitely won't see him suit up for Brazil on a competitive level again.
Post by: Trini _2026 on January 11, 2007, 07:18:28 PM
I waiting to see that Ronaldo one, and allyuh know it coming. Once somebody makes the first move (which Becks done do) is now everybody else could jump and not be the laughin stock of europe because of the dollar potential they could get out of it.
I am two-minded on that Ronaldo rumour. If he goes to MLS, I will be able to go watch his games. But, he won't be playing at the highest level anymore and I definitely won't see him suit up for Brazil on a competitive level again.
wha make you think he would be suiting up for on a competitive brazil again?... :devil:
Post by: JERSEY TRINI on January 11, 2007, 07:22:37 PM
I waiting to see that Ronaldo one, and allyuh know it coming. Once somebody makes the first move (which Becks done do) is now everybody else could jump and not be the laughin stock of europe because of the dollar potential they could get out of it.
I am two-minded on that Ronaldo rumour. If he goes to MLS, I will be able to go watch his games. But, he won't be playing at the highest level anymore and I definitely won't see him suit up for Brazil on a competitive level again.
wha make you think he would be suiting up for on a competitive brazil again?... :devil:
I thinking the same thing. I feel Ronaldo International time done just like Becks, I don't feel you will see that again at all.
Post by: Grande on January 11, 2007, 07:26:50 PM
he was half that in the World Cup...yet among him, Kaka, Robinho, Adriano, Ronaldinho...who deliver de goods? Who score the most?
He fat but he deadly
Post by: Papasmurf on January 12, 2007, 06:05:33 AM
Post by: spideybuff on January 12, 2007, 07:41:16 AM
He headed to New York or Miami...
Post by: TRUwarrior on January 12, 2007, 07:46:47 AM
Post by: Mr Fix-it on January 12, 2007, 08:03:16 AM
MLS turnin into a Retirement Home :rotfl:
Ah guess ah go have to buy my season tickets for Toronto FC to see all these men now LOL :beermug: :beermug: :devil: :devil: :devil:
Post by: grskywalker on January 12, 2007, 08:32:44 AM
Fellers I think once Ronaldo fit, injury-free and playing on the highest level, Dunga will call him up
he was half that in the World Cup...yet among him, Kaka, Robinho, Adriano, Ronaldinho...who deliver de goods? Who score the most?
He fat but he deadly
Whatever his time in the sun is setting and he is far from what he used to be, letthe younger guys take over FRED and ADRIANO, ROBINHO, Brazil ain't hurtin for players so there is no need to keep Ronaldo
Post by: chinee boi on January 12, 2007, 10:50:27 AM
so many important decisions!!!!
Post by: Peong on January 12, 2007, 11:04:51 AM
It real different.
Post by: Mr Fix-it on January 12, 2007, 11:18:20 AM
:beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Post by: TrinInfinite on January 12, 2007, 11:18:41 AM
Post by: Green Beret on January 12, 2007, 11:30:50 AM
I wonder if these players will enjoy living in the US?
It real different.
Mabe not, because they will have nuff competition from the NFL, NBA and MLB playaz for de 'gold diggers'.
It won't be like when they pull up at the club in London and all the women running after them. Now they have to compete with Lebron James, Terrel Owens and Derek Jeter for the babes, no matter what city they go to.
Post by: Andre on January 12, 2007, 11:35:12 AM
the man is a gangsta on the football field.
Post by: Filho on January 12, 2007, 11:37:31 AM
Ronaldo already said he retired after the World Cup 2006.
He headed to New York or Miami...
Ronaldo never retired and actually said he hopes to still play for Brazil
He will probably end up in MLS if you believe articles like this....
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/ricardo_setyon/11/15/ronaldo.america/1.html
Post by: Peong on January 12, 2007, 11:39:28 AM
I wonder if these players will enjoy living in the US?Mabe not, because they will have nuff competition from the NFL, NBA and MLB playaz for de 'gold diggers'.
It real different.
It won't be like when they pull up at the club in London and all the women running after them. Now they have to compete with Lebron James, Terrel Owens and Derek Jeter for the babes, no matter what city they go to.
That is true.
I could see Beckham moving back to England in 2 years. 5 yrs is a long time.
Davids too if he make the move.
How long did Djorkaeff last?
Post by: Andre on January 12, 2007, 11:51:28 AM
he was still a boss when he retire. i hope i could run like that at 38.
i trying to think of all the "pasture grazers" who play in MLS or the a-league/usl. let we see:
- zinho (miami fc)
- romario (miami fc)
- terry phelan (charleston battery)
- lothar matthaeus (NY - but was really on holidays)
- djorkaeff (NY)
- valderamma (tampa & miami)
- shaka hislop (dallas)
- Hong Myung-Bo (LA)
- eduardo hurtado (LA)
- mo johnston (KC)
- dr. khumalo (columbus)
- stoichov (dc, chicago)
- anders limpar (colorado)
- peter nowak (chicago)
- hugo sanchez (dallas)
- alain sutter (dallas)
Post by: MEP on January 12, 2007, 02:26:46 PM
Post by: Grande on January 12, 2007, 02:31:01 PM
djorks play for NY for about 3 years.
he was still a boss when he retire. i hope i could run like that at 38.
i trying to think of all the "pasture grazers" who play in MLS or the a-league/usl. let we see:
- zinho (miami fc)
- romario (miami fc)
- terry phelan (charleston battery)
- lothar matthaeus (NY - but was really on holidays)
- djorkaeff (NY)
- valderamma (tampa & miami)
- shaka hislop (dallas)
- Hong Myung-Bo (LA)
- eduardo hurtado (LA)
- mo johnston (KC)
- dr. khumalo (columbus)
- stoichov (dc, chicago)
- anders limpar (colorado)
- peter nowak (chicago)
- hugo sanchez (dallas)
- alain sutter (dallas)
half of dem not playing football anymore though
Post by: Slade on January 12, 2007, 02:37:15 PM
Post by: ribbit on January 12, 2007, 02:53:55 PM
MLS will become an Over 30 league if this continues to happen....
when latas reach 50 he could go MLS.
Post by: TrinInfinite on January 12, 2007, 03:38:44 PM
MLS will become an Over 30 league if this continues to happen....
when latas reach 50 he could go MLS.
nah he could go now and make a cool 50 mill US :devil:
Post by: Jah Gol on January 18, 2007, 07:41:48 PM
Reports coming out of London suggest that Chelsea are looking to rejuvenate themselves by swooping for Barcelona's Ronaldinho in the summer.
It is common knowledge that banks will have to be broken, and transfer records smashed, for a club to come close to snatching Ronaldinho from Barcelona.
However, the Mirror suggests that it is exactly what Chelsea are looking to do, as owner Roman Abramovich looks for a more imaginative and dynamic team.
While Jose Mourinho's future has been secured through recent comments, the Portuguese is still being linked with a move away. Abramovich is also said to be contemplating saying "Adios," particularly if Mourinho is unable to deliver at least one out of the Premiership and the Champions League trophies.
The reports suggest that Chelsea's rebuilding will start with an offer in excess of 50 million for the Barcelona ace, who allegedly believes Barca are not backing him whole-heartedly anymore.
"Ronaldinho doesn't feel he is properly backed at Barcelona any more," a source has been quoted as claiming. "He knows that Barca's special advisor Johan Cruyff doesn't like him, and everybody knows that when Cruyff talks, the president Joan Laporta and his board listen."
The Brazilian, meantime, simply could be looking for a fresh challenge after four successful years at the Nou Camp.
AC Milan have also expressed interest in him in the recent past, but failed to get any leverage from either the player or from his club.
The official version of the situation, though, still is that Ronaldinho is close to extending his current contract - which runs to 2010 - by another four years.
http://www.goal.com/en-us/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=213529
Post by: Trezegoal on January 18, 2007, 07:47:00 PM
(http://www.goal.com/images/14580_news.jpg)I stopped reading after the part bolded in red...
Reports coming out of London suggest that Chelsea are looking to rejuvenate themselves by swooping for Barcelona's Ronaldinho in the summer.
It is common knowledge that banks will have to be broken, and transfer records smashed, for a club to come close to snatching Ronaldinho from Barcelona.
However, the Mirror suggests that it is exactly what Chelsea are looking to do, as owner Roman Abramovich looks for a more imaginative and dynamic team.
The day Dinho comes to Chelsea is the day Montserrat, wins the World Cup.
I know, I for one, do not want him coming to the Bridge, and I'm sure none of the Barca fans want him leaving......especially leaving for Chelsea.
Post by: Gladman on January 18, 2007, 07:51:08 PM
Post by: Jah Gol on January 18, 2007, 07:52:46 PM
Post by: Filho on January 18, 2007, 08:41:13 PM
But the real danger is if Abramovic walk away from Chelsea now, as the article implies he might...that team would need to find another sugar daddy or they will face a financial crisis.
Post by: triniairman on January 18, 2007, 09:42:12 PM
That not happenin any time soonMAN U don't know what you talking about ;D
Post by: doublet750 on January 19, 2007, 09:02:41 AM
which is worse? Ronaldinho going to Chelsea or Figo to Madrid. The Madrid rivalry is emor bitter, but each team begrudgingly respects the other and there is also a sense of tradition. The Chelsea rivalry is just hate. It will take a lot of money for Ronaldinho to make such a treacherous move, but if anybody could do it..it is Abramovic. Football is a dirty business. Dinho hadda pray never to play Barca in a CL again if he make that move. Any how...for now, I beleive that article is just baseless rumors.
But the real danger is if Abramovic walk away from Chelsea now, as the article implies he might...that team would need to find another sugar daddy or they will face a financial crisis.
well actually..if abramovich leaves it wont make much difference now....the samsugn and adidas deals are some fo the best sposnor deals in teh world.(only eclipsed by barca and man u )....and chelsea website launches have been bringin in teh dollars
added all to which roman has invested over 250MILL in this club and ive watched my blues transform from teh perenial champions league 4th spot challenger....to a Champions league FINAL CHALLENGER....after all them years behind aint nowhere else to head for but the front
Post by: Filho on January 19, 2007, 09:44:49 AM
which is worse? Ronaldinho going to Chelsea or Figo to Madrid. The Madrid rivalry is emor bitter, but each team begrudgingly respects the other and there is also a sense of tradition. The Chelsea rivalry is just hate. It will take a lot of money for Ronaldinho to make such a treacherous move, but if anybody could do it..it is Abramovic. Football is a dirty business. Dinho hadda pray never to play Barca in a CL again if he make that move. Any how...for now, I beleive that article is just baseless rumors.
But the real danger is if Abramovic walk away from Chelsea now, as the article implies he might...that team would need to find another sugar daddy or they will face a financial crisis.
well actually..if abramovich leaves it wont make much difference now....the samsugn and adidas deals are some fo the best sposnor deals in teh world.(only eclipsed by barca and man u )....and chelsea website launches have been bringin in teh dollars
added all to which roman has invested over 250MILL in this club and ive watched my blues transform from teh perenial champions league 4th spot challenger....to a Champions league FINAL CHALLENGER....after all them years behind aint nowhere else to head for but the front
Uhhh..not quite. When Abramovic bought the club he wiped out all debts - great. But since then, the club has far outspent what it earns. I am not sure how the club is structured financially, but it has been operating at mulitmillion dollar losses for the last 2 years and if he walks away the bankrolling ends and the losses will deepen. To hold on to its biggest players Chelsea would either have to borrow heavily, or restructure their contracts, or sell players at a fraction of the cost they were purchased....either that or find another sugar daddy. Truth is, Chelsea has a ridiculous cost structure in place and for now, the earnings do not match
Post by: JDB on January 19, 2007, 10:23:36 AM
well actually..if abramovich leaves it wont make much difference now....the samsugn and adidas deals are some fo the best sposnor deals in teh world.(only eclipsed by barca and man u )....and chelsea website launches have been bringin in teh dollars
added all to which roman has invested over 250MILL in this club and ive watched my blues transform from teh perenial champions league 4th spot challenger....to a Champions league FINAL CHALLENGER....after all them years behind aint nowhere else to head for but the front
What you smoking?
Chelsea posts record losses every year.
If Abramovich leaves they will be in a mad dash to avoid becoming Leeds. All of their players are on big wages and many will have to be sold, buyers will squeeze them for bargains, knowing that they are desperate and they will have no chance of keeping Mourinho.
Post by: Jah Gol on January 20, 2007, 09:21:35 AM
Having nabbed Beckham, Major League Soccer's next big objective is Barcelona ace Ronaldinho, confirmed the player's brother.
The MLS is in the process of finalizing plans to bring more high profile players from Europe in the USA, and Ronaldinho's name is next on the list.
The likes of Ronaldo and Figo have also been considered, but it is largely believed that only Ronaldinho can come even close to replicating the craze that has followed David Beckham's signing.
The player's agent - and brother - revealed as much from Brazil. He also insisted that he would listen to what other clubs had to say, despite his charge being very happy at Barcelona.
"We know that the MLS is interested in taking Ronaldinho as the next big star of football in the United States," said Roberto Assis to Globoesporte.
"Everything between Roni and Bara is going well, but that does not mean that we are not open to listening to other teams," he suggested.
While the US might not be Ronaldinho's top priority just yet, the MLS is beginning to look like an increasingly attractive place for top European players to play out the final years of football career.
http://www.goal.com/en-us/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=214748
Post by: Grande on January 20, 2007, 09:27:34 AM
"We know that the MLS is interested in taking Ronaldinho as the next big star of football in the United States," said Roberto Assis to Globoesporte.
The PFL interested too but dat eh mean they getting him
Post by: Jefferz on January 20, 2007, 09:48:12 AM
Post by: TrinInfinite on January 20, 2007, 10:16:25 AM
Post by: ribbit on January 20, 2007, 10:22:51 AM
never say never.... if beckham get 200+ million, i could imagine what they would pay for dinho, it will be in the neighbourhood of 350+ million over 4-5years with endorsements, that is real paper and dinho wouldnt mind having that for retirement after football, he would be the next pele.... :beermug:
dinho want a WC. and that won't happen if he move to MLS and play lower standard football.
Post by: trinbago on January 20, 2007, 10:28:59 AM
(http://www.goal.com/images/13073_news.jpg)
"We know that the MLS is interested in taking Ronaldinho as the next big star of football in the United States," said Roberto Assis to Globoesporte.
The PFL interested too but dat eh mean they getting him
Yeah..ah could see yuh point...because the PFL teams have US250 million waiting and ready for him! ::)
Post by: TrinInfinite on January 20, 2007, 10:29:14 AM
never say never.... if beckham get 200+ million, i could imagine what they would pay for dinho, it will be in the neighbourhood of 350+ million over 4-5years with endorsements, that is real paper and dinho wouldnt mind having that for retirement after football, he would be the next pele.... :beermug:
dinho want a WC. and that won't happen if he move to MLS and play lower standard football.
true, i agree with you on that he does want a world cup, ah think he will get it in south africa, but i also think dinho is on de paper chase, maybe after 2010 he will consider a shift to the mls.... but if the league continues to sign quality players on each team the league will improve over the next 3-5 years...
Post by: Filho on January 20, 2007, 11:33:48 AM
never say never.... if beckham get 200+ million, i could imagine what they would pay for dinho, it will be in the neighbourhood of 350+ million over 4-5years with endorsements, that is real paper and dinho wouldnt mind having that for retirement after football, he would be the next pele.... :beermug:
dinho want a WC. and that won't happen if he move to MLS and play lower standard football.
really? he told you so? by the way....dinho already has won a WC
Dinho eh going MLS now, his brother said as much...but none of us know what the man wants for the rest of his career.
Post by: Tongue on January 20, 2007, 11:44:23 AM
never say never.... if beckham get 200+ million, i could imagine what they would pay for dinho, it will be in the neighbourhood of 350+ million over 4-5years with endorsements, that is real paper and dinho wouldnt mind having that for retirement after football, he would be the next pele.... :beermug:
dinho want a WC. and that won't happen if he move to MLS and play lower standard football.
really? he told you so? by the way....dinho already has won a WC
Dinho eh going MLS now, his brother said as much...but none of us know what the man wants for the rest of his career.
why you so? yuh like tuh make sense eh!.... :devil:
Post by: Jefferz on January 20, 2007, 11:53:55 AM
never say never.... if beckham get 200+ million, i could imagine what they would pay for dinho, it will be in the neighbourhood of 350+ million over 4-5years with endorsements, that is real paper and dinho wouldnt mind having that for retirement after football, he would be the next pele.... :beermug:
im sorry yuh had ah light chat about it with him today??
how the f**k you know eh??
stewps.
Post by: ribbit on January 20, 2007, 02:56:15 PM
never say never.... if beckham get 200+ million, i could imagine what they would pay for dinho, it will be in the neighbourhood of 350+ million over 4-5years with endorsements, that is real paper and dinho wouldnt mind having that for retirement after football, he would be the next pele.... :beermug:
dinho want a WC. and that won't happen if he move to MLS and play lower standard football.
really? he told you so? by the way....dinho already has won a WC
Dinho eh going MLS now, his brother said as much...but none of us know what the man wants for the rest of his career.
feel-low would it make it a little clearer if i put "i think" in front of what i wrote? of course, since i'm writing it and didn't cite any factual references, it should be clear it's just my opinion.
too much english for you? honestly, yuh does get on real trollish sometimes. steups.
Post by: Filho on January 20, 2007, 03:56:53 PM
never say never.... if beckham get 200+ million, i could imagine what they would pay for dinho, it will be in the neighbourhood of 350+ million over 4-5years with endorsements, that is real paper and dinho wouldnt mind having that for retirement after football, he would be the next pele.... :beermug:
dinho want a WC. and that won't happen if he move to MLS and play lower standard football.
really? he told you so? by the way....dinho already has won a WC
Dinho eh going MLS now, his brother said as much...but none of us know what the man wants for the rest of his career.
feel-low would it make it a little clearer if i put "i think" in front of what i wrote? of course, since i'm writing it and didn't cite any factual references, it should be clear it's just my opinion.
too much english for you? honestly, yuh does get on real trollish sometimes. steups.
no need to be so sensitive..i knew it was your opinion. and frankly...i just used your opinion to make my point - that we have no idea what Ronaldinho will do. It fit well as a response to your post. Oh yeah...and to remind you that he already has won a WC. Or are you going to say you meant 'another' WC? I mean...just how many words you going to leave out ? ;D Anyway, funny you calling me trollish with your immature, name calling reponse. Good luck with that
Post by: elan on January 20, 2007, 05:16:36 PM
Post by: Gladman on January 20, 2007, 06:06:29 PM
Post by: trinidad badboy on January 20, 2007, 06:12:58 PM
this is real nonsense yes. dinho cah bow to that bullcrap league nah..
Post by: davidephraim on January 21, 2007, 01:51:32 AM
"We know that the MLS is interested in taking Ronaldinho as the next big star of football in the United States," said Roberto Assis to Globoesporte.
The PFL interested too but dat eh mean they getting him
San Fernando Tech might be interested.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Bakes on January 21, 2007, 02:10:15 AM
never say never.... if beckham get 200+ million, i could imagine what they would pay for dinho, it will be in the neighbourhood of 350+ million over 4-5years with endorsements, that is real paper and dinho wouldnt mind having that for retirement after football, he would be the next pele.... :beermug:
Beckham actually only got $50 million in salary...his was a unique contract not likely to be replicated anytime soon. Added to which, let's not forget that the league is barely operating out the red...there is only but so much money to go around.
Post by: Bitter on February 20, 2007, 09:33:52 AM
(http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7871/ronaldinhohorseep5.jpg)
Currently up for bid on eBay. Only $25,000! (With $2,500 more to ship.)
Personally I think he more resembles Jar Jar Binks, but that is just me...
Post by: Ponnoxx on February 23, 2007, 09:52:56 AM
tribalfooball.com - February 23, 2007
Doubts are being raised over the weight of Barcelona star Ronaldinho.
The World Player of the Year is clearly carrying extra baggage and AS says he has already confided to close friends: "I am not well."
Barcelona physios and medical chief, Dr Ricardo Puna, refuse to speak to the media about Ronaldinho's increasing waistline, while the local press are comparing his situation with what Ronaldo went through at Real Madrid.
Stress, partying and outside commercial interests are all being blamed for Ronaldinho's weight problems, which are now affecting his form.
Hmmm I wonder if Ronaldinho is really a fattieboblops? He is still a boss though
Post by: ribbit on February 23, 2007, 11:34:45 AM
(http://soccernet-att.espn.go.com/design05/images/JonMC/February2007/ronnie-205.jpg)
Post by: Papasmurf on February 23, 2007, 12:19:03 PM
Post by: Mr Fix-it on February 23, 2007, 12:30:12 PM
Post by: fitzinho on February 23, 2007, 01:03:29 PM
Post by: Ponnoxx on February 23, 2007, 01:10:20 PM
Post by: jub02 on February 23, 2007, 03:50:09 PM
if tht is fat then some men like peter crouch anorexic :rotfl:
Post by: triniairman on February 23, 2007, 03:53:34 PM
Chunky-butt,....Lard ass...I mean Ronaldinho shouldn't be worried about this because he is still the best player and it will only take one moment for him to change a game...It hard to stay on top because the media always trying to bring you down...That is why I like Ronaldo because over and over he prove to them he is the PhenomenomLook out for C. Ronaldo to be the best player in the world soon ;D
Post by: kingman on February 23, 2007, 05:09:27 PM
Chunky-butt,....Lard ass...I mean Ronaldinho shouldn't be worried about this because he is still the best player and it will only take one moment for him to change a game...It hard to stay on top because the media always trying to bring you down...That is why I like Ronaldo because over and over he prove to them he is the Phenomenom
Sure about that?
Kingman
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on February 23, 2007, 05:31:13 PM
look a nex fatman:dat man look like he now buss down a Roti and a red solo watch dat pot belly lol I no is tradition to put Dinho after Ronaldo if they have a Ronaldo on the team but dinho you doe hadda look like de man to be Ronaldo for brazil... lol
(http://soccernet-att.espn.go.com/design05/images/JonMC/February2007/ronnie-205.jpg)
Post by: Brej on February 24, 2007, 10:10:35 AM
especially compared to how he used to look.... this could really be a reason for his dip in form.... i mean he still scoring Fks an ting buh is not like yuh need to run to do da....
Post by: Preacher on February 24, 2007, 12:37:47 PM
Post by: Grande on February 24, 2007, 02:18:21 PM
look a nex fatman:
(http://soccernet-att.espn.go.com/design05/images/JonMC/February2007/ronnie-205.jpg)
How he looking fat, I seeing six packs
he now finish a game and breathing heavy, he belly muss swell
Post by: Toppa on February 24, 2007, 05:24:00 PM
look a nex fatman:
(http://soccernet-att.espn.go.com/design05/images/JonMC/February2007/ronnie-205.jpg)
How he looking fat, I seeing six packs
he now finish a game and breathing heavy, he belly muss swell
:rotfl: Yuh joking right?
Post by: trinidad badboy on February 24, 2007, 10:21:28 PM
he lookin lil fatty.. yuh mus admit...
Post by: Jah Gol on February 25, 2007, 10:00:23 AM
(http://www.goal.com/images/17550.jpg)
Post by: Filho on February 25, 2007, 04:34:33 PM
Post by: FATZ on February 25, 2007, 05:10:00 PM
Post by: Jah Gol on February 25, 2007, 05:14:00 PM
he look deadly today tho'Yeah he wasn't easy. Some of Bilbao defenders was making noise because he trying too much fancy ting on dem. De man showing off after the game all kinda ting.
Eto'o play decent too.
Post by: Jefferz on February 25, 2007, 05:43:40 PM
I really didn't want to join this topic but goal.com had this before and after image up on the site.
(http://www.goal.com/images/17550.jpg)
that is a huge difference and is not like he puttin on healthy size...
Post by: real madness on February 25, 2007, 07:54:44 PM
Post by: Preacher on February 25, 2007, 08:07:00 PM
Post by: TRUwarrior on February 25, 2007, 09:34:47 PM
in dat champions league game against Liverpool, the furthest he reach on d field is half line...he eh see his own penalty area yet
Post by: whistler91 on February 25, 2007, 10:00:34 PM
he look deadly today tho'Yeah he wasn't easy. Some of Bilbao defenders was making noise because he trying too much fancy ting on dem. De man showing off after the game all kinda ting.
Eto'o play decent too.
Yeh he give real trouble on that field today under all the talk they giving him. I was also very impressed with Eto'o, i real rate dat fella, He go take it to dem in Anfield.
Post by: Marcos on February 26, 2007, 01:39:15 PM
nuff embarrassment
Post by: freakazoid on February 26, 2007, 07:32:48 PM
Overweight? Out of form? All the other nonsense stories? Ronaldinho proved against Bilbao that there is nothing to worry about. He posted one of his best performances of his career, and claims that the criticism only served to motivate him more than ever. He hit the post twice, once from a free kick and another when he ran through a whole group of defenders and put his effort just over Aranzubia; he laid on the second goal for Eto'o and was the author of several other specular plays. All the Brazilian failed to do was score and that was his only disappointment. "Today was my son's birthday" he said. "And I wanted to score and do a special celebration".
The following are some of the most interesting comments made by the players after the game:
Ronaldinho
"I am very happy with the win, Eto'o returning and the way the team played so well. All that was missing was a goal. They worked well and now we just need to keep going forwards."
"Whenever I finish a game I always swap shirts with somebody. This week there have been a few stories about me being fat, but I feel fine and have no problem taking my shirt off. In fact, all that was said this week has helped to make me a better player."
"I never go onto the pitch assuming I am going to score. My job is to lay on assists for the others and to enjoy myself. But today being my son's birthday I wanted to score and do a special celebration."
"It was very important for the team to have Eto'o back. He is our reference up front. Me and he know each other very well and with just one glance we know what we need to do. It is very important to have him fully fit."
"We know we have a difficult month ahead and that winning today was important. Now we have Zaragoza and turning the tie around is going to be difficult. There is still some time before the Sevilla match and we have to take each match as it comes."
"Every day that goes by I am surer that I will be here for many more years. The people love me and I am sure that things will work out well."
Iniesta
"We needed the win today, especially to clean up our image. We played a good game and now we need this improvement to carry over to Zaragoza, or it won't have served any purpose whatsoever."
"Eto'o is out of this world and showed that again today. Samu transits so many things and the team felt that in a positive sense."
Gio
"I think we played a good game. In the first half we got three goals and we played well in the second too. The most important thing was getting the three points."
"Now we have some difficult weeks and today's result helps make us optimistic going into the Zaragoza game."
"I think Eto'o looked fine. He is working very hard in training and today he scored a great goal."
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on February 26, 2007, 07:53:14 PM
http://www.d1g.com/video/show/501210
Post by: Bourbon on February 26, 2007, 09:16:05 PM
watch this pieve ah Ronaldinho skill
http://www.d1g.com/video/show/501210
:rotfl:
Come wit dat talk nex game in anfield. in fact....call him fat ugly and overrated. We go see how much men go hadda check chiropractor due to spanneration.
Post by: SUPA on February 26, 2007, 10:04:38 PM
Post by: zuluwarrior on March 30, 2007, 10:05:34 PM
March 30, 2007
LONDON (AP) -- Manchester United is the most valuable team in world soccer and Ronaldinho the highest-earning player, according to a survey by Forbes magazine.
Despite having only the fourth-highest annual revenue at $310 million, United is reported by the American business magazine to be worth $1.453 billion.
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Real Madrid is ranked second at $1.036 billion, but has the highest revenue of $374 million.
Arsenal is the third most valuable at $915 million, but its revenue of $246 million is only ninth overall.
Bayern Munich, AC Milan, Juventus, Inter Milan, Chelsea, FC Barcelona and Schalke round out the top 10.
Man United was one of 10 English teams in the top 25, with four each from Italy and Germany, two from Spain, France and Scotland, and one from the Netherlands.
Barcelona star Ronaldinho moved to the top of the richest soccer player list, relegating David Beckham to second.
The Brazilian is worth $29.5 million, according to Forbes, with Beckham at $29.1 million.
Beckham is likely to go back to the top spot when he moves to the Los Angeles Galaxy of Major League Soccer this summer.
The top 10 is rounded out by Ronaldo (AC Milan), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Michael Ballack (Chelsea), Thierry Henry (Arsenal), Zinedine Zidane (retired), Fabio Cannavaro (Real Madrid), John Terry (Chelsea), and Steven Gerrard (Liverpool).
Forbes used revenues and operating income for the 2005-06 season and converted the figure into U.S. dollars based on June 30, 2006, exchange rates.
Post by: congo on April 01, 2007, 03:20:31 AM
Barcelona star Ronaldinho moved to the top of the richest soccer player list, relegating David Beckham to second.
The Brazilian is worth $29.5 million, according to Forbes, with Beckham at $29.1 million.
Beckham is likely to go back to the top spot when he moves to the Los Angeles Galaxy of Major League Soccer this summer.
All that money Arsenal has and they pay their players so little and always fussing abt the prices in the transfer market....
No disrespect but would beckham ever get paid his worth on the field...Highest paid footballer doing what??....definitely not winning trophies for no big club...
Post by: Pointman on April 01, 2007, 01:34:09 PM
MAN U FOREVER!!
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Post by: Toppa on April 02, 2007, 05:11:21 PM
Dey eh mention Joe Public?
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: Peong on May 11, 2007, 11:18:51 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMVfotRlehQ
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SAO PAULO, Brazil (AP) - Ronaldinho and Kaka will return to Brazil's national team for a friendly against Algeria at the end of the month in France.
Coach Dunga summoned the duo plus 20 others for the match on Aug. 22 in Montpellier.
Kaka and Ronaldinho skipped the Copa America won by Brazil last month to take vacation following the European season.
"Our job is to do what is best for the national team. We need to summon the players who we feel are the best for the team," Dunga said.
Dunga made other four changes from the squad that won the South American championship in Venezuela, adding goalkeeper Julio Cesar, defender Lucio, midfielder Lucas and striker Rafael Sobis. Among those not called for the friendly were Helton, Alex, Gilberto Silva, Anderson, Afonso and Fred.
"We tried to maintain a base," Dunga said. "But the national team is open to everyone and all players will have a chance to return in the future. Those who were summoned need to take advantage of every minute to deserve another chance."
It will be Brazil's 12th friendly since Dunga replaced Carlos Alberto Parreira after the team's World Cup quarterfinal elimination in France. Brazil has won seven games, lost one and drawn three under Dunga.
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Brazil has beaten Algeria in all three games between the two, including in the 1986 World Cup in Mexico.
"The Algerian team plays compact and uses speed on counterattacks," Dunga said. "But against Brazil they'll certainly play differently, as every team does."
The Brazilian soccer confederation also announced Brazil will play Mexico on Sept. 12 in Boston. Brazil also may face Canada at a location and a date still to be determined.
Brazil and Mexico have played 30 times, with the Brazilians winning 18 matches and Mexico winning six, including their last two meetings: at the 2005 Confederations Cup and in the Copa America in June.
Since winning the Copa America last month, Brazil has turned its attention to World Cup qualifying that begins in October. Brazil will debut against Colombia and then will face Ecuador, Peru and Uruguay.
"We will play two friendlies in September before the qualifying matches, we have to take advantage of these opportunities and keep the national team active," supervisor Americo Faria said.
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Goalkeepers: Julio Cesar (Inter Milan), Doni (AS Roma)
Defenders: Alex Silva (Sao Paulo), Lucio (Bayern Munich), Juan (AS Roma), Naldo (Werder Bremen), Gilberto (Hertha Berlin), Maicon (Inter Milan), Daniel Alves (Sevilla), Kleber (Santos)
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Midfielders: Josue (Sao Paulo), Diego (Werder Bremen), Elano (Manchester City), Mineiro (Hertha Berlin), Kaka (AC Milan), Fernando (Bordeaux), Ronaldinho (FC Barcelona), Julio Batista (Real Madrid), Lucas (Liverpool)
Forwards: Robinho (Real Madrid), Vagner Love (CSKA Moscow), Rafael Sobis (Real Betis).
Post by: Grande on August 08, 2007, 10:55:56 AM
Post by: futbolfan on August 08, 2007, 11:27:53 AM
Ronaldo get de shaft again
nah man dey saving him for de qualifiers :D
Post by: Filho on August 08, 2007, 11:38:20 AM
Ronaldo get de shaft again
Maybe not....Ronaldo tore his hamstring at the end of last season and has not appeared in any of Milan's preseason games. Under those circumstances, I can't see how Dunga could select him. Ancellotti says he will be fit for the Serie A season opener, but so far he hasn't been able to show his form or fitness in the buildup to the new season
Post by: Grande on August 08, 2007, 11:49:14 AM
Ronaldo get de shaft again
Maybe not....Ronaldo tore his hamstring at the end of last season and has not appeared in any of Milan's preseason games. Under those circumstances, I can't see how Dunga could select him. Ancellotti says he will be fit for the Serie A season opener, but so far he hasn't been able to show his form or fitness in the buildup to the new season
Ah I see. I wasn't aware of that because I remember reading that Dunga was considering him for the Algeria game. Thanks for the info. :beermug:
Post by: Diambars on August 26, 2007, 06:08:10 PM
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Roman Abramovich has held two meetings with Ronaldinho's brother and adviser, the second in London this weekend, in the hope of bringing the Barcelona superstar to Chelsea.
In the most audacious transfer business of his Chelsea tenure, the Russian billionaire spent the weekend entertaining Roberto de Assis Moreira, flying him in on his private jet and putting him up at the exclusive Lanesborough Hotel in Mayfair.
Hold on! Barcelona coach Frank Rijkaard grabs Ronaldinho (right) during last night's 0-0 draw in Santander, which did not go to plan
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Abramovich held the second meeting with Moreira at his Knightsbridge house on Saturday morning and is understood to have put an offer to him that would make the Brazil star the highest paid player in Europe.
Sources at Chelsea last night insisted that the first approach came from Ronaldinho's camp and it is unclear what exact figures have been discussed.
It will, however, dwarf the 130,000-a-week deal recently agreed with captain John Terry.
Luring Ronaldinho from the Nou Camp is not going to be easy, and not just because the summer transfer window closes this Friday.
There is the buy-out clause in the contract Ronaldinho signed at Barcelona in September 2005 which runs until 2010. It is a staggering 85million.
But Abramovich is desperate to see his Chelsea side play with more flair and adventure, not least after seeing them stutter to a 1-0 win against Portsmouth on Saturday, and would consider it money well spent for the 27-year-old, who has twice been named World Player of the Year.
Stamford Bridge officials have also been encouraged by Ronaldinho's stuttering performance as part of a three-pronged attack in Barca's La Liga opener against Racing Santander, which they drew 0-0.
Evidence is mounting that the talented attacking quartet of Ronaldinho, Samuel Eto'o, Thierry Henry and Lionel Messi is becoming increasingly difficult for Nou Camp boss Frank Rijkaard to juggle.
Sportsmail understands that Moreira flew back to Spain last night to speak to his brother following the fixture in Santander and discuss the meeting he had with Abramovich.
On Friday, Jose Mourinho said the transfer window had now closed for Chelsea, insisting the arrival of Juliano Belletti from Barcelona marked the end of their recruitment drive.
"I have closed the door of my dressing room and that's very important to me," said the Chelsea boss. "My squad is completely closed. I know the market is open until the 31st - but not for us."
The Brazilian may now be heading to Chelsea after his adviser-brother Roberto (right) held talks in London
Mourinho has, however, been made aware of the meeting with Moreira and would be more than happy to make an exception for the World Cup and Champions League winner, even if he will have to be creative in accommodating Ronaldinho and Florent Malouda in the same side.
Both players would say their preferred position is on the left wing.
Abramovich hopes the presence of two Brazilians - Belletti and Alex - will encourage Ronaldinho to move to Stamford Bridge, but the key remains the player's brother.
Moreira has long been praised for his 'intelligent' management of his younger brother's career and is hugely influential when it comes to making major decisions.
When Ronaldinho won FIFA's prestigious World Player of the Year award for a second successive year in December 2005, he paid tribute to his brother.
"He's my idol," said Ronaldinho. "He's been through a lot and has helped me every step of the way."
A family tragedy, when Moreira was 17 and Ronaldinho (real name Ronaldo de Assis Moreira) was only eight, formed an unbreakable bond between them.
Frank advice: is Lampard inviting Ronaldinho to join Chelsea after the 1-1 Champions League draw with Barcelona in March 2006?
Moreira was also a promising footballer, representing their local club side in Porto Alegre, Gremio, when he was offered a move to Italy.
As an incentive to stay, Gremio - the club Ronaldinho represented before signing for Paris St Germain - the Moreira family were given a new villa with a swimming pool.
But their father Joao was killed in a horrific accident in the pool, reportedly suffering a heart attack caused by an electrical fault.
Moreira's playing career was ended prematurely by injury but by then his brother was fast emerging as a hugely exciting talent and he turned his attention to advising him.
Meanwhile Barcelona looked lethargic and Thierry Henry was restricted to a half-hour substitute's appearance as they were held at 10-man Racing Santander in their opening La Liga match of the season.
The Catalan club, who spent around 45million on new players this summer including Arsenal's Henry, were outplayed by their modest opponents, one of Spain's lowest-spending teams.
Santander's Polish debutant Ebi Smolarek was sent off midway through the second half.
Henry replaced Lionel Messi, who started alongside Samuel Eto'o and Ronaldinho, but Henry came closest, hitting a post late on.
This will not be good for the game if true!
Post by: D.H.W on August 26, 2007, 06:18:01 PM
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Post by: Jahyouth on August 26, 2007, 07:48:07 PM
stueps facking Chelsea rich fackers
look who talking! How much did Man Utd spend this off-season?
Post by: Trini Madness on August 26, 2007, 07:52:50 PM
stueps facking Chelsea rich fackers
look who talking! How much did Man Utd spend this off-season?
lol
Post by: Bourbon on August 26, 2007, 08:29:31 PM
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 26, 2007, 09:24:02 PM
Post by: Jahyouth on August 26, 2007, 09:35:01 PM
Fear not, Ro-Ro lovers/Chelsea haters. Barca will never let this deal materialize.
Barca may not have a choice if Chelsea pay the 85 million pound release clause price. ALL players in the Spanish League are required to have a buy out clause in their contract. (I learned that from playing Football Manager) ;D
Once Ronny wants to go, and they can settle on terms, then he is off to Stanford Briidge.
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 26, 2007, 11:11:52 PM
Fear not, Ro-Ro lovers/Chelsea haters. Barca will never let this deal materialize.
Barca may not have a choice if Chelsea pay the 85 million pound release clause price. ALL players in the Spanish League are required to have a buy out clause in their contract. (I learned that from playing Football Manager) ;D
Once Ronny wants to go, and they can settle on terms, then he is off to Stanford Briidge.
Doh mind me, Jahyouth, dize jes' me takin' meh "hope for de bess, expect de worse" outlook..... ;)
Post by: Diambars on August 27, 2007, 05:14:00 AM
Post by: Warrior till death on August 27, 2007, 01:44:29 PM
According to a report in The Daily Mail, the 27-year-old Brazil international midfielder's brother and adviser Roberto de Assis Moreira has held two recent meetings with Blues owner Roman Abramovich.
The second is said to have been held at the weekend, with Abramovich flying Moreira to London on his private jet and putting him up at an exclusive Mayfair hotel.
With money no object, the Russian billionaire is reputedly prepared to make Ronaldinho the highest-paid player in football and smash the world's transfer record.
A 85million buyout clause is included in Ronaldinho's current contract at Barcelona, which is due to expire in 2010.
However, Abramovich is reportedly desperate to inject more flair into the Blues squad and is prepared to eclipse the 47million that Real Madrid shelled out to Juventus six years ago for the services of Zinedine Zidane.
Post by: grskywalker on August 27, 2007, 01:54:45 PM
Post by: weary1969 on August 27, 2007, 01:59:43 PM
Post by: Filho on August 27, 2007, 02:24:12 PM
Hopefull Dinho would not want to go, but since he letting his brother talk to these fellas, he not exactly disgusted by the idea. I wuld be, cuz I find Barca nd Chelsea have a nasty bitter rivalry these days and I can't stand the idea of Barca men going to Chelsea - unless yuh like Belletti and was riding nuff pine and really deserev a chance to go and play somewhere.
Plus..when was the last time Barca didn't have a magical Brazilan 'R" leading the attack - Romario, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho
Post by: kicker on August 27, 2007, 02:38:51 PM
Rijkaard will fight it..but the club will have a real hard time looking the other way. That is just how a club is run. I doubt the number crunchers there seeing another 85million pounds of trophies and merchandise in Ronaldinho, so we go see. The suits will also look at a forward line of Eto'o, Henry and messi with Dos Santos in the wings and feel that they ahve enough firepower. 85million pounds will transfrom this from a football decision to a business$$$ decision and from that point of view - all bets are off
Hopefull Dinho would not want to go, but since he letting his brother talk to these fellas, he not exactly disgusted by the idea. I wuld be, cuz I find Barca nd Chelsea have a nasty bitter rivalry these days and I can't stand the idea of Barca men going to Chelsea - unless yuh like Belletti and was riding nuff pine and really deserev a chance to go and play somewhere.
Plus..when was the last time Barca didn't have a magical Brazilan 'R" leading the attack - Romario, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho
Even as a Madrid fan I like to watch Barca play- in the last few seasons primarily because of Ronaldinho- if he leaves, I'll be genuinely upset...
Post by: dinho on August 27, 2007, 02:43:55 PM
1. Ronaldinho say a couple years ago he never playing for Mourinho and Chelsea, because he find they play boring football.
2. Laporta say just the other day if he sell Ronaldinho he will have to go in to exile.
3. I cant wait for transfer window to close to end all this baseless speculation
Post by: Diambars on August 27, 2007, 02:51:27 PM
Post by: Bitter on August 27, 2007, 02:53:17 PM
Ronaldinho eh going nowhere. Check de scene:
#10 and he brother playing xbox in the game room.
Roberto: Look a next goal in yuh ass! Allyuh cyah stop Sunderland and Stern!
#10: You only have foot lyrics in video game. I cyah even call dat foot lyrics, that is finger lyrics! Yuh does press yuh thumbs that hard when yuh jockin?
Roberto: Steups, answer de phone.
#10: Yeah? Who? Roman? I playing in Spain, not Italy. Oho!!! Fuh real? Dat sounding interesting.... Hol on. (puts hand over receiver) Ay! yuh want to go on a trip?
Roberto: Where?
#10: Me eh know, London I think. Let me check... Yeah... Yuh know de season start, I will have to send my reporesentative. Mr. de Assis Moreira. Not asses, Assis. Nah, my last name is "inho." Ronald Inho, dey make a mistake and leave out the space when they print de jersey.
Roberto: Oh gawd ah go dead!
#10: Hush nah boy, I negotiating... Yeah.. Is big money yuh talking eh, since I cyah make the turn, yuh go have to show my rep what the scene is...Yeah, Private Jet, de who, nah! Ah nice hotel too. Mayfair... that could wuk. And yuh hadda make sure yuh supply de bes smallies too eh. He hadda be able to sit the champagne bottle down on the bumsee after he bathe them. Cool. Send a car Wednesday. I go tell dem men after he report back. Later.
#10: Doh say I never do nutting for you eh.
Roberto: Whatever man, look Carlos making the cut-in from de wing...
Post by: kicker on August 27, 2007, 02:53:43 PM
steups...
1. Ronaldinho say a couple years ago he never playing for Mourinho and Chelsea, because he find they play boring football.
2. Laporta say just the other day if he sell Ronaldinho he will have to go in to exile.
3. I cant wait for transfer window to close to end all this baseless speculation
Baseless? Don't meetings between Ronnie's brother & Abramovich form some base for speculation?
Truss meh I eh want to see it either....but I eh go write off the speculation just yet.
If he were to rip the EPL, that would silence any critic though.....
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on August 27, 2007, 02:53:55 PM
"We need to indulge in some self-criticism - clearly we didn't play well yesterday," Iniesta told reporters while Ronaldinho was engaged in tying up the administrative requirements of his citizenship, four years after arriving from Paris Saint Germain, in the suburb of Gava.
Mexican teammate Giovani dos Santos is also set to obtain dual nationality in the coming days, meaning that Barca will then only have Cameroon striker Samuel Eto'o and Ivory Coast defender Toure Yaye as non-EU players in their squad.
Ronaldinho and his teammates came in for severe criticism after Sunday's league opener which left the Catalan club two points behind title holders Real Madrid, who edged out Atletico in their first match.
Neither the Brazilian nor fellow "Fantastic Four" forwards Thierry Henry, Lionel Messi and Eto'o shone in a dull showing which drew the ire of the media and former coach Johan Cruyff.
"It's the same old mistakes, nothing has changed," the Dutch legend said in a column for the Catalan newspaper El Periodico.
Midfielder Iniesta admitted that "we lacked a little freshness and turn of speed, but we have hope something positive will come out" of Sunday's below-par showing.
Spanish newspaper AS claimed earlier that Ronaldinho wanted to leave because he is fed up at paying high taxes in Spain but Barca's technical secretary Txiki Begiristain said: "He is staying with us," a judgement seemingly bolstered by the Brazilian picking up his new passport.
Post by: Filho on August 27, 2007, 03:05:54 PM
Spanish newspaper AS claimed earlier that Ronaldinho wanted to leave because he is fed up at paying high taxes in Spain but Barca's technical secretary Txiki Begiristain said: "He is staying with us," a judgement seemingly bolstered by the Brazilian picking up his new passport.
Not sure if picking up a Spanish passport signals any kind of loyalty to Barca..it just means he can play wherever he wants in the EU.
Hope he stays.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on August 27, 2007, 03:08:07 PM
Spanish newspaper AS claimed earlier that Ronaldinho wanted to leave because he is fed up at paying high taxes in Spain but Barca's technical secretary Txiki Begiristain said: "He is staying with us," a judgement seemingly bolstered by the Brazilian picking up his new passport.
Not sure if picking up a Spanish passport signals any kind of loyalty to Barca..it just means he can play wherever he wants in the EU.
Hope he stays.
I suppose it holds as much water as his brother flying on Roman's private jet.
Post by: RedDevils on August 27, 2007, 03:09:57 PM
Post by: weary1969 on August 27, 2007, 03:27:49 PM
Post by: D.H.W on August 27, 2007, 03:30:19 PM
Hear nah....de day dis happen...is de day i resign as a ronaldinho fan......and burn all he jerseys....and delete all he video clips. I eh go mind he go any other club....but not that abomination.......
all Chelsea haters are my freinds :devil: i agree with u
Post by: Toppa on August 27, 2007, 04:38:57 PM
Hear nah....de day dis happen...is de day i resign as a ronaldinho fan......and burn all he jerseys....and delete all he video clips. I eh go mind he go any other club....but not that abomination.......
all Chelsea haters are my freinds :devil: i agree with u
lol
Post by: Midknight on August 27, 2007, 04:45:55 PM
Allyuh getting tie up.
Ronaldinho eh going nowhere. Check de scene:
#10 and he brother playing xbox in the game room.
Roberto: Look a next goal in yuh ass! Allyuh cyah stop Sunderland and Stern!
#10: You only have foot lyrics in video game. I cyah even call dat foot lyrics, that is finger lyrics! Yuh does press yuh thumbs that hard when yuh jockin?
Roberto: Steups, answer de phone.
#10: Yeah? Who? Roman? I playing in Spain, not Italy. Oho!!! Fuh real? Dat sounding interesting.... Hol on. (puts hand over receiver) Ay! yuh want to go on a trip?
Roberto: Where?
#10: Me eh know, London I think. Let me check... Yeah... Yuh know de season start, I will have to send my reporesentative. Mr. de Assis Moreira. Not asses, Assis. Nah, my last name is "inho." Ronald Inho, dey make a mistake and leave out the space when they print de jersey.
Roberto: Oh gawd ah go dead!
#10: Hush nah boy, I negotiating... Yeah.. Is big money yuh talking eh, since I cyah make the turn, yuh go have to show my rep what the scene is...Yeah, Private Jet, de who, nah! Ah nice hotel too. Mayfair... that could wuk. And yuh hadda make sure yuh supply de bes smallies too eh. He hadda be able to sit the champagne bottle down on the bumsee after he bathe them. Cool. Send a car Wednesday. I go tell dem men after he report back. Later.
#10: Doh say I never do nutting for you eh.
Roberto: Whatever man, look Carlos making the cut-in from de wing...
oh gorm oh :rotfl:
Post by: doublet750 on August 27, 2007, 05:50:54 PM
its a good read with barca direcotr Tixi saying he wont go anywhere.....but an unknown direcotr saying that one ofr the fab 4 is leaving highlighting etoo as close to laporta...messi da fans young favorite and henry da new boy...this coupled with the interesting way ppl have said ronnie isnt helping barca lately (not too mention the iniesta report where he admited they needed to step up) can only help for a good read at the very least
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=478182&in_page_id=1779&ito=newsnow
Post by: Diambars on August 27, 2007, 07:41:39 PM
What is this game comming too?
100m quest for Ronaldinho shows Roman's back in love with Chelsea
EXCLUSIVE by MATT LAWTON - More by this author
Last updated at 23:43pm on 27th August 2007
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Roman Abramovich is prepared to make Ronaldinho the Premier League's first 200,000-a-week player in a bid to lure him from Barcelona to Chelsea.
As Sportsmail revealed on Monday, Chelsea's Russian owner has already held two meetings with the Brazilian's brother, Roberto de Assis Moreira, after he approached the club.
Ronaldinho suffers during Sunday's goalless draw at Santander and (right) arrives at court on Monday to be granted dual nationality
Encouraged by those meetings, Abramovich is now ready to authorise a deal worth a staggering 100million for a player who would add flair to an already formidable Chelsea team.
Half that money would go to Ronaldinho in wages over the next five years and the other half would go directly to Barcelona as a British record 50m transfer fee for the 27-year-old double World Player of the Year.
Ronaldinho has an 85m buy-out clause in his contract but the full amount applies only to Spanish clubs and is essentially designed to prevent him from ever following Luis Figo to Real Madrid.
Barcelona's sporting director, Txiki Beguiristain, told Sportsmail on Monday that Ronaldinho was not for sale. 'Any big European club would want Ronaldinho but he is ours and there is no chance of him leaving,' he said.
'Honestly, not even Chelsea have the kind of money that can match the value we put on Ronaldinho. He is the symbol of the club and it is therefore impossible to sell him.
'It would be sporting suicide to do it now. To help a big Champions League rival like Chelsea would be total madness. If the agent has travelled to London that is not important to me.'
How the Spanish press reported Matt Lawton's world exclusive in Monday's Sportsmail
There is, however, another director at Barca who has given members of the Spanish media a very different briefing, insisting that one of the 'big four' will leave before the transfer window closes at midnight on Friday for a fee of around '70 million euros'.
Given that Lionel Messi is the darling of the fans, Samuel Eto'o is close to club president Joan Laporta and Thierry Henry has only just arrived from Arsenal, Ronaldinho's departure appears most likely.
Barcelona might be reluctant sellers but they have been just as reluctant to offer Ronaldinho a new deal and a two-year extension to a contract that already runs until 2010, not least because of his disappointing form last season.
They are also desperate to raise the 25m needed to buy Dani Alves from Sevilla, which is proving difficult as they have debts of 180m.
Abramovich, who became so disillusioned with Chelsea at one stage last season that he stopped going to games, sees Ronaldinho as the player who can inject what he considers to be some muchneeded excitement into Jose Mourinho's side.
Although chief executive Peter Kenyon has said it was planned to make Chelsea a self-sufficient business within five years, Champions League success and entertainment now seem to be the priorities of the Russian billionaire
Post by: Filho on August 27, 2007, 08:03:27 PM
didn't ronaldinho just become a spanish citizen ? why would he want to leave now if he did that. anyway IF he leaves and goes to chelsea i'll NEVER show support for him again. he'll be one of de most hated players in europe.
I don't know what Ronaldinho intentions are (obviously). But Spanish citizenship doh mean he want to stay in Spain. It just means he is an EU citizen and not taking up a non EU spot at Barca anymore (if he stays). More importantly, it gives him more options as he can play anywhere in the EU (if he goes). Ronaldinho didn't necesarily get Spanish citizenship cuz he wants to stay in Spain
Post by: Trini Madness on August 27, 2007, 08:16:33 PM
Allyuh getting tie up.
Ronaldinho eh going nowhere. Check de scene:
#10 and he brother playing xbox in the game room.
Roberto: Look a next goal in yuh ass! Allyuh cyah stop Sunderland and Stern!
#10: You only have foot lyrics in video game. I cyah even call dat foot lyrics, that is finger lyrics! Yuh does press yuh thumbs that hard when yuh jockin?
Roberto: Steups, answer de phone.
#10: Yeah? Who? Roman? I playing in Spain, not Italy. Oho!!! Fuh real? Dat sounding interesting.... Hol on. (puts hand over receiver) Ay! yuh want to go on a trip?
Roberto: Where?
#10: Me eh know, London I think. Let me check... Yeah... Yuh know de season start, I will have to send my reporesentative. Mr. de Assis Moreira. Not asses, Assis. Nah, my last name is "inho." Ronald Inho, dey make a mistake and leave out the space when they print de jersey.
Roberto: Oh gawd ah go dead!
#10: Hush nah boy, I negotiating... Yeah.. Is big money yuh talking eh, since I cyah make the turn, yuh go have to show my rep what the scene is...Yeah, Private Jet, de who, nah! Ah nice hotel too. Mayfair... that could wuk. And yuh hadda make sure yuh supply de bes smallies too eh. He hadda be able to sit the champagne bottle down on the bumsee after he bathe them. Cool. Send a car Wednesday. I go tell dem men after he report back. Later.
#10: Doh say I never do nutting for you eh.
Roberto: Whatever man, look Carlos making the cut-in from de wing...
oh lawd :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: palos on August 29, 2007, 06:28:27 AM
'He would give us an option if he does come and it would be great for the Premier League to have a player like Ronaldinho here. He was close to going to Manchester United a few years ago but, for me personally and for everyone at Chelsea, it would be great to have him with us.
'I'd like to think he could fit into the team, though he'd have to learn about the defensive duties expected of everyone.
'We've got wide men going forward but they've got defensive responsibilities as well.'
Terry added: 'It takes players a month or so to learn that you have to track back and, if you don't, then you come off.
'Once you've realised that it's about a team and defending as well, you can attack as well and he can give us something that not many in the world can give us. I suppose if he's doing what he's so good at going forward, then perhaps the manager will let him off a little bit at the back, but we'd have to see.'
this is an exert from john terry's response to the ronaldhino rumour.
defensive Discipline on the wings was one of our many short comings at the U17 WC and i cringe when i hear the u15 has that problem. the easiest way into your oponents box is on the flanks as u have 2 players to beat. if one is out of position 80% of the time, that is madness.
is one thing for the opposition to have an excellent winger but is ah next thing when we not keeping our defensive shape consistently
thats what i kept asking since U17 what formation were we really playing
Post by: Marcos on August 29, 2007, 11:58:37 AM
Rijkaard will fight it..but the club will have a real hard time looking the other way. That is just how a club is run. I doubt the number crunchers there seeing another 85million pounds of trophies and merchandise in Ronaldinho, so we go see. The suits will also look at a forward line of Eto'o, Henry and messi with Dos Santos in the wings and feel that they ahve enough firepower. 85million pounds will transfrom this from a football decision to a business$$$ decision and from that point of view - all bets are off
Hopefull Dinho would not want to go, but since he letting his brother talk to these fellas, he not exactly disgusted by the idea. I wuld be, cuz I find Barca nd Chelsea have a nasty bitter rivalry these days and I can't stand the idea of Barca men going to Chelsea - unless yuh like Belletti and was riding nuff pine and really deserev a chance to go and play somewhere.
Plus..when was the last time Barca didn't have a magical Brazilan 'R" leading the attack - Romario, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho
Even as a Madrid fan I like to watch Barca play- in the last few seasons primarily because of Ronaldinho- if he leaves, I'll be genuinely upset...
But we'z get every Chelsea game on tv. iz not like he goin to the middle east or someting
Post by: kicker on August 29, 2007, 12:33:42 PM
Rijkaard will fight it..but the club will have a real hard time looking the other way. That is just how a club is run. I doubt the number crunchers there seeing another 85million pounds of trophies and merchandise in Ronaldinho, so we go see. The suits will also look at a forward line of Eto'o, Henry and messi with Dos Santos in the wings and feel that they ahve enough firepower. 85million pounds will transfrom this from a football decision to a business$$$ decision and from that point of view - all bets are off
Hopefull Dinho would not want to go, but since he letting his brother talk to these fellas, he not exactly disgusted by the idea. I wuld be, cuz I find Barca nd Chelsea have a nasty bitter rivalry these days and I can't stand the idea of Barca men going to Chelsea - unless yuh like Belletti and was riding nuff pine and really deserev a chance to go and play somewhere.
Plus..when was the last time Barca didn't have a magical Brazilan 'R" leading the attack - Romario, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho
Even as a Madrid fan I like to watch Barca play- in the last few seasons primarily because of Ronaldinho- if he leaves, I'll be genuinely upset...
But we'z get every Chelsea game on tv. iz not like he goin to the middle east or someting
Yeah but I not on Chelsea.....and watching Barca won't be the same....
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on August 29, 2007, 12:49:26 PM
I might not recover from that one nuh, that might be the nail in meh coffin
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 29, 2007, 12:51:58 PM
Rijkaard will fight it..but the club will have a real hard time looking the other way. That is just how a club is run. I doubt the number crunchers there seeing another 85million pounds of trophies and merchandise in Ronaldinho, so we go see. The suits will also look at a forward line of Eto'o, Henry and messi with Dos Santos in the wings and feel that they ahve enough firepower. 85million pounds will transfrom this from a football decision to a business$$$ decision and from that point of view - all bets are off
Hopefull Dinho would not want to go, but since he letting his brother talk to these fellas, he not exactly disgusted by the idea. I wuld be, cuz I find Barca nd Chelsea have a nasty bitter rivalry these days and I can't stand the idea of Barca men going to Chelsea - unless yuh like Belletti and was riding nuff pine and really deserev a chance to go and play somewhere.
Plus..when was the last time Barca didn't have a magical Brazilan 'R" leading the attack - Romario, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho
Even as a Madrid fan I like to watch Barca play- in the last few seasons primarily because of Ronaldinho- if he leaves, I'll be genuinely upset...
But we'z get every Chelsea game on tv. iz not like he goin to the middle east or someting
Yeah but I not on Chelsea.....and watching Barca won't be the same....
Well, later fuh you, den! We doh need you! ;D
But seriously, this is a deal that would never materialize. This would tip the Champions' League scales of the newly formed Chelsea-Barcelona rivalry a little too heavily in Chelsea's favour than for the football gods to allow this to happen. and even as a Chelsea/Jose fan (but I am also a Barca fan though, eh) I wouldn't really be feeling this deal.........the EPL ain't for brazilians.
Post by: kicker on August 29, 2007, 12:54:20 PM
Well, later fuh you, den! We doh need you! ;D
You's a Chelsea man Chow? Yuh disappoint meh.... ;D
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 29, 2007, 01:09:01 PM
Well, later fuh you, den! We doh need you! ;D
You's a Chelsea man Chow? Yuh disappoint meh.... ;D
Doh worry, as soon as Jose leave and adidas pullout, ah jumpin' off de waggon! ;D
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on August 29, 2007, 01:10:04 PM
who dey since the days of Gustavo Poyet, Di Mateo, Gianfranco Big Head Zola, Tore Andre Flo and cyah forget man like Vialli
is ah set ah now come who jes feel it cool to back Chelsea
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 29, 2007, 01:19:24 PM
how much authentic Chelsea fans you think it have Kicker?
who dey since the days of Gustavo Poyet, Di Mateo, Gianfranco Big Head Zola, Tore Andre Flo and cyah forget man like Vialli
is ah set ah now come who jes feel it cool to back Chelsea
Boy!! I watchin' dem blues since I small!!
I was likin' dem since all dem days (dat is de squad that got my attention, and yh fuhget Dessailly, by the way) they was playin' nice football and ting but they was frustratin' people by underacheiving.
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 29, 2007, 01:22:17 PM
how much authentic Chelsea fans you think it have Kicker?
who dey since the days of Gustavo Poyet, Di Mateo, Gianfranco Big Head Zola, Tore Andre Flo and cyah forget man like Vialli
is ah set ah now come who jes feel it cool to back Chelsea
Boy!! I watchin' dem blues since I small!!
I was likin' dem since all dem days (dat is de squad that got my attention, and yh fuhget Dessailly, by the way) they was playin' nice football and ting but they was frustratin' people by underacheiving.
The only man I didn't really like on that Chelsea squad back in dem days (which wasn't too long ago anyway) was Jimmy Floyd Haaselbank.........
Post by: Bourbon on August 29, 2007, 01:31:48 PM
how much authentic Chelsea fans you think it have Kicker?
who dey since the days of Gustavo Poyet, Di Mateo, Gianfranco Big Head Zola, Tore Andre Flo and cyah forget man like Vialli
is ah set ah now come who jes feel it cool to back Chelsea
Boy!! I watchin' dem blues since I small!!
I was likin' dem since all dem days (dat is de squad that got my attention, and yh fuhget Dessailly, by the way) they was playin' nice football and ting but they was frustratin' people by underacheiving.
Yuh mean yuh watching blues since yuh small. Judgment waggonistical fans............yuh does always hear dem...."Boy i supporting chelsea LONG time.....ting ting ting"......as soon as jose leave chelsea go return to de shit squad it was designed to be. Nuttin personal eh....i jus hate dat team wit a burning passion......like a purge quivering in my anus.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on August 29, 2007, 01:35:24 PM
i jus hate dat team wit a burning passion......like a purge quivering in my anus.
that is how I does feel bout ManUre
an epic battle was Barca vs Chelsea in the CL 99/00 with Figo and dem
that went down to the wire
Post by: Bourbon on August 29, 2007, 01:40:43 PM
i jus hate dat team wit a burning passion......like a purge quivering in my anus.
that is how I does feel bout ManUre
an epic battle was Barca vs Chelsea in the CL 99/00 with Figo and dem
that went down to the wire
I does rate Man U......buh see 4kin chelsea!! steups......
I did download two games de other day with Barca/Man U........one where yorke and rivaldo score a double in de Nou Camp.......was real bess....
Buh....fire fuh chelsea now and forever!!!!
Post by: JDB on August 29, 2007, 01:50:56 PM
how much authentic Chelsea fans you think it have Kicker?
who dey since the days of Gustavo Poyet, Di Mateo, Gianfranco Big Head Zola, Tore Andre Flo and cyah forget man like Vialli
is ah set ah now come who jes feel it cool to back Chelsea
I find that is still recent and that is still a now-come Chelsea glamour side.
If a man tell me he was backing Chelsea back when Beasant, Wise, Le Saux, Vinnie Jones and Kerry Dixon was playing I will give him props. He definitely have to love that club to be backing that team.
Or even when Porters leave and Hoddle show up. They still had non-glamorous players like Gavin Peacock, Erland Johnsen, Cascarino, Townsend, Frank Sinclair and Eddie Newton. I remember when Fleck was a big money purchase and proceed to score 2 or 3 goals in the following season (similar to another ex-Norwich man, Chris Sutton, a few years later).
That side used to play decent ball and they was always a bogey side for United. In the 93-94 season United went unbeaten in the league except for home and away losses to Chelsea, both time was Gavin Peacock poison them.
If you use to watch that side and it didnt catch yuh fancy but yuh only digging the side because of Dessa, Luca, Zola, Di Matteo, Hughes yuh still have a little waggonism in yuh.
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 29, 2007, 02:06:17 PM
how much authentic Chelsea fans you think it have Kicker?
who dey since the days of Gustavo Poyet, Di Mateo, Gianfranco Big Head Zola, Tore Andre Flo and cyah forget man like Vialli
is ah set ah now come who jes feel it cool to back Chelsea
Boy!! I watchin' dem blues since I small!!
I was likin' dem since all dem days (dat is de squad that got my attention, and yh fuhget Dessailly, by the way) they was playin' nice football and ting but they was frustratin' people by underacheiving.
Yuh mean yuh watching blues since yuh small. Judgment waggonistical fans............yuh does always hear dem...."Boy i supporting chelsea LONG time.....ting ting ting"......as soon as jose leave chelsea go return to de shit squad it was designed to be. Nuttin personal eh....i jus hate dat team wit a burning passion......like a purge quivering in my anus.
....tanx fuh sharin' dat wit us, Bourbon.........but dize how I feel about manUre, too. ah glad yuh ketch meh "blues" joke, though. I will never deny that I only started likin' Chelsea since Ranieri was manager and they had that international BOMB squad, but I like jose ever since he had man-handle saf and manUre in de CL when Porto mash allyuh up. ;D
Post by: Mango Chow! on August 29, 2007, 02:08:51 PM
i jus hate dat team wit a burning passion......like a purge quivering in my anus.
that is how I does feel bout ManUre
an epic battle was Barca vs Chelsea in the CL 99/00 with Figo and dem
that went down to the wire
I does rate Man U......buh see 4kin chelsea!! steups......
I did download two games de other day with Barca/Man U........one where yorke and rivaldo score a double in de Nou Camp.......was real bess....
Buh....fire fuh chelsea now and forever!!!!
Where yuh get dem games to download? uefa.com?
Post by: kicker on August 29, 2007, 02:19:44 PM
how much authentic Chelsea fans you think it have Kicker?
who dey since the days of Gustavo Poyet, Di Mateo, Gianfranco Big Head Zola, Tore Andre Flo and cyah forget man like Vialli
is ah set ah now come who jes feel it cool to back Chelsea
I find that is still recent and that is still a now-come Chelsea glamour side.
If a man tell me he was backing Chelsea back when Beasant, Wise, Le Saux, Vinnie Jones and Kerry Dixon was playing I will give him props. He definitely have to love that club to be backing that team.
Or even when Porters leave and Hoddle show up. They still had non-glamorous players like Gavin Peacock, Erland Johnsen, Cascarino, Townsend, Frank Sinclair and Eddie Newton. I remember when Fleck was a big money purchase and proceed to score 2 or 3 goals in the following season (similar to another ex-Norwich man, Chris Sutton, a few years later).
That side used to play decent ball and they was always a bogey side for United. In the 93-94 season United went unbeaten in the league except for home and away losses to Chelsea, both time was Gavin Peacock poison them.
If you use to watch that side and it didnt catch yuh fancy but yuh only digging the side because of Dessa, Luca, Zola, Di Matteo, Hughes yuh still have a little waggonism in yuh.
Damn yuh bring back memories there...days when iz a extended highlights yuh watching on local TV and yuh feelin' like is a full game.....Graeme Le Saux, Frank Sinclair, Robert Fleck, Dennis Wise, Tony Cascarino....damn....and Vinnie Jones...last I saw of Vinnie Jones he was roughin' up some men on the silver screen in a movie called Scratch (a personal favorite)------ once a thug always a thug (even on the hollywood stage)....
p.s. Different topic but anyone watch Fox football fone in last night? They had Preki live in studio, and he was reminiscing on his days at Everton, and saying how Old Trafford is the hardest ground to get a call from the ref as the away team- interesting to hear how non-chalant he put it as if it was somewhat understood- almost like people expect the refs to favor the big sides.....
Post by: samo on August 29, 2007, 02:27:15 PM
Post by: Bourbon on August 29, 2007, 02:33:11 PM
i jus hate dat team wit a burning passion......like a purge quivering in my anus.
that is how I does feel bout ManUre
an epic battle was Barca vs Chelsea in the CL 99/00 with Figo and dem
that went down to the wire
I does rate Man U......buh see 4kin chelsea!! steups......
I did download two games de other day with Barca/Man U........one where yorke and rivaldo score a double in de Nou Camp.......was real bess....
Buh....fire fuh chelsea now and forever!!!!
Where yuh get dem games to download? uefa.com?
Well...a man did put dem up on fbtz.com one game was torrents....de nex game he use rapidshare....
bout 2 weeks now....
Post by: dinho on August 29, 2007, 02:42:17 PM
who make allyuh chelsea haters de judgement timekeepers?
so yuh is ah real chelsea fan if yuh use to back dem during vinnie jones, kerry dixon, le saux etc era, but not if yuh pick up on dem during zola/desailly/di matteo era??
some ah allyuh johnny come latelys wasn't even backing barcelona just de other day when van gaal was in charge and dey had about 100 shitty dutchmen.. ruud hesp, reizeger and crew...
when allyuh start backing allyuh side when dey was in conference?? allyuh is any 'thru thick and thin' men??
steups ah does just have to laugh at allyuh men who cyah tolerate a new kid on de block eating off your plate.. is chelsea eating de big leg and thigh now fellahs, settle for back and neck and hush allyuh ass nuh
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on August 29, 2007, 02:45:16 PM
If you use to watch that side and it didnt catch yuh fancy but yuh only digging the side because of Dessa, Luca, Zola, Di Matteo, Hughes yuh still have a little waggonism in yuh.
never was a Chelsea fan not even a big EPL fan really only start to observe them in 98 or so, and if that make meh ah waggonist then so be it
these are the players that I know of, cyah talk bout thing I eh know bout
I think I still a lil better off than the men who only recently start to back them when Roman buy it over and start to spend he money wild
Post by: Trezegoal on August 29, 2007, 02:45:52 PM
I find that is still recent and that is still a now-come Chelsea glamour side.Same would go for anyone who supported Man U before the 90s ;D
If a man tell me he was backing Chelsea back when Beasant, Wise, Le Saux, Vinnie Jones and Kerry Dixon was playing I will give him props. He definitely have to love that club to be backing that team.
Or even when Porters leave and Hoddle show up. They still had non-glamorous players like Gavin Peacock, Erland Johnsen, Cascarino, Townsend, Frank Sinclair and Eddie Newton. I remember when Fleck was a big money purchase and proceed to score 2 or 3 goals in the following season (similar to another ex-Norwich man, Chris Sutton, a few years later).
If a man tell me he supporting Chelsea from when Dixon start play, I giving him a pamphlet on geriatrics.
I gotta disagree with you on this one, in the late 90s, we were barely a bandwagon side. I dunno what kinda fans would jump on a team that were constant #6 finishers. Plus what'd we win before Gullit came in....one FA cup?? (we've always been very well supported, but never a bandwagon side till recently).
Post by: Trezegoal on August 29, 2007, 02:48:38 PM
WTF??Talk to dem nuh!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
who make allyuh chelsea haters de judgement timekeepers?
so yuh is ah real chelsea fan if yuh use to back dem during vinnie jones, kerry dixon, le saux etc era, but not if yuh pick up on dem during zola/desailly/di matteo era??
some ah allyuh johnny come latelys wasn't even backing barcelona just de other day when van gaal was in charge and dey had about 100 shitty dutchmen.. ruud hesp, reizeger and crew...
when allyuh start backing allyuh side when dey was in conference?? allyuh is any 'thru thick and thin' men??
steups ah does just have to laugh at allyuh men who cyah tolerate a new kid on de block eating off your plate.. is chelsea eating de big leg and thigh now fellahs, settle for back and neck and hush allyuh ass nuh
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on August 29, 2007, 02:57:17 PM
WTF??
who make allyuh chelsea haters de judgement timekeepers?
so yuh is ah real chelsea fan if yuh use to back dem during vinnie jones, kerry dixon, le saux etc era, but not if yuh pick up on dem during zola/desailly/di matteo era??
some ah allyuh johnny come latelys wasn't even backing barcelona just de other day when van gaal was in charge and dey had about 100 shitty dutchmen.. ruud hesp, reizeger and crew...
when allyuh start backing allyuh side when dey was in conference?? allyuh is any 'thru thick and thin' men??
steups ah does just have to laugh at allyuh men who cyah tolerate a new kid on de block eating off your plate.. is chelsea eating de big leg and thigh now fellahs, settle for back and neck and hush allyuh ass nuh
I feel yuh should call names?!?!?
Post by: Trezegoal on August 29, 2007, 02:58:37 PM
I don't want Dinho coming to the Bridge, it just going mess up everything.
As I said on my other board, adding him (though he's world class), isn't going to make us better, rather it'll just change our whole dynamic, and change our way of play (against Mourinho's wishes).
It's gonna just crowd up our midfield even more, and take away opportunities for others, as he'll be an "untouchable" in the starting XI.
Not to mention, I'm pretty sure Mourinho wouldn't want him...he already had a few transfers forced on him, and we've seen how it worked out....Boulahrouz, Shev....
If Roman force Dinho in, I can see Mourinho leaving, and i much prefer Jose over Dinho.
If we get him i vex...Roman can dish out so much money for a player we nuh need, but never waan put out 20mil pount (overpriced) fi Alves, a player that we needed......fkkry.
Alex....Belletti...Dinho.....nex ting Adriano on loan & we find out Chelsea half lied and go 1 for 1 with SWP and Robinho :\
Post by: Diambars on August 31, 2007, 08:43:12 PM
He spent yesterday afternoon with his agent brother, Roberto de Assis Moreira, in talks with Barcelona president Joan Laporta in a desperate attempt to secure an immediate move to Stamford Bridge.
But a lack of time ahead of last night's closure of the transfer window denied Chelsea and the Catalan club the chance to reach an agreement and the 27-year-old double World Player of the Year will now make the switch next July. As Sportsmail revealed on Monday, Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich spent last weekend in talks with Moreira in an audacious bid to bring the World Cup and Champions League winner to the Premier League.
But during informal discussions the two clubs were unable to agree a fee, Chelsea valuing the player at around 70million euros (47.5million), but Barcelona demanding nearer 100m euros (66m).
On Thursday night, Chelsea chief executive Peter Kenyon said they would not be signing Ronaldinho in what remained of the transfer window and made the point that it would be of no use to them to bring him over in January either. That was because, by then, he would be cup-tied for the Champions League, but Kenyon admitted that Ronaldinho was the kind of player Chelsea would like and said 'never say never'.
Now, it is understood, all parties accept it would be more prudent to delay for 11 months, although Ronaldinho is said to be frustrated because he was given a strong indication that Barcelona would be prepared to let him leave at the right price.
Yesterday he expressed that disappointment to friends but said he was now confident he would be a Chelsea player for the start of next season when a deal would be more attractive to the English club as he will only have two years left on his contract by then.
Meanwhile, Joe Cole, Andriy Shevchenko and any other wannabe Chelsea first teamers have been told to get in line and take their chance when it comes, just as Sean Wright-Phillips did.
Cole's unhappiness at not starting games surfaced this week, as exclusively reported in Sportsmail.
But Steve Clarke, manager Jose Mourinho's assistant, said Wright-Phillips was an example to follow adding: 'Sean had been used to being top guy at Manchester City and not having the same scrutiny of his performances. He came here and suddenly had to perform in just 20 minutes from the bench.
'He came on, didn't do very well and found himself out again. That was disappointing him gradually he picked it up and realised that in those 20-25 minutes, he has to impress. He has to impress every day in training.
'He's been doing that since January. Now he's one of our most consistent performers.'
Both Shevchenko and Cole are fit for the trip to Aston Villa tomorrow but may have to be satisfied with place on the bench.
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Post by: Mango Chow! on September 01, 2007, 03:45:48 AM
liverpool still cutting allyuh a$$ anyway :devil:
:rotfl: Not dis season, not next season, not de season after dat..........not again in your lifetime! ;D
Post by: fishs on September 01, 2007, 04:20:46 AM
Everton rules !!!! ;D ;D
Post by: Peong on September 01, 2007, 07:48:00 AM
Why not in Jan? Loud steups
it would be of no use to them to bring him over in January either. That was because, by then, he would be cup-tied for the Champions League
Post by: Mango Chow! on September 01, 2007, 07:51:11 AM
Everton rules !!!! ;D ;D
Exactly what are the "Everton rules," fishs, and to whom do they apply? ;D
Post by: D.H.W on September 01, 2007, 08:58:30 AM
Everton rules !!!! ;D ;D
u rel outa timing lol ::)
Post by: WestCoast on September 01, 2007, 09:00:56 AM
right, when I see I go believe it
Post by: D.H.W on September 01, 2007, 09:08:05 AM
Post by: SUPA on September 01, 2007, 11:22:26 AM
Ronaldinho, the Brazilian superstar, has agreed to join Chelsea but not until the start of next season.
He spent yesterday afternoon with his agent brother, Roberto de Assis Moreira, in talks with Barcelona president Joan Laporta in a desperate attempt to secure an immediate move to Stamford Bridge.
But a lack of time ahead of last night's closure of the transfer window denied Chelsea and the Catalan club the chance to reach an agreement and the 27-year-old double World Player of the Year will now make the switch next July. As Sportsmail revealed on Monday, Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich spent last weekend in talks with Moreira in an audacious bid to bring the World Cup and Champions League winner to the Premier League.
But during informal discussions the two clubs were unable to agree a fee, Chelsea valuing the player at around 70million euros (47.5million), but Barcelona demanding nearer 100m euros (66m).
On Thursday night, Chelsea chief executive Peter Kenyon said they would not be signing Ronaldinho in what remained of the transfer window and made the point that it would be of no use to them to bring him over in January either. That was because, by then, he would be cup-tied for the Champions League, but Kenyon admitted that Ronaldinho was the kind of player Chelsea would like and said 'never say never'.
Now, it is understood, all parties accept it would be more prudent to delay for 11 months, although Ronaldinho is said to be frustrated because he was given a strong indication that Barcelona would be prepared to let him leave at the right price.
Yesterday he expressed that disappointment to friends but said he was now confident he would be a Chelsea player for the start of next season when a deal would be more attractive to the English club as he will only have two years left on his contract by then.
Meanwhile, Joe Cole, Andriy Shevchenko and any other wannabe Chelsea first teamers have been told to get in line and take their chance when it comes, just as Sean Wright-Phillips did.
Cole's unhappiness at not starting games surfaced this week, as exclusively reported in Sportsmail.
But Steve Clarke, manager Jose Mourinho's assistant, said Wright-Phillips was an example to follow adding: 'Sean had been used to being top guy at Manchester City and not having the same scrutiny of his performances. He came here and suddenly had to perform in just 20 minutes from the bench.
'He came on, didn't do very well and found himself out again. That was disappointing him gradually he picked it up and realised that in those 20-25 minutes, he has to impress. He has to impress every day in training.
'He's been doing that since January. Now he's one of our most consistent performers.'
Both Shevchenko and Cole are fit for the trip to Aston Villa tomorrow but may have to be satisfied with place on the bench.
The name of your thread is very much mis leading, ah surprise another member haven't brought dat to your attention. Not wishing, yuh how much things could happen to ah player from now tuh January transfer window, and even worst yet all de way tuh de next season, steupssss. Ah not trying tuh teach yuh English, but de man eh sign on de dotted line yet, so how de hell yuh put Ronaldinho joins Chelsea. It should be something like "Ronaldinho is on de way tuh becoming ah Chelsea player" or something of dat nature. Ah took it personal cuz Barca is meh team, and yuh messing wid meh head, when yuh talking about de best player at Barca and in de world, leaving tuh join another club. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Post by: Diambars on September 01, 2007, 12:00:27 PM
Ronaldinho, the Brazilian superstar, has agreed to join Chelsea but not until the start of next season.
He spent yesterday afternoon with his agent brother, Roberto de Assis Moreira, in talks with Barcelona president Joan Laporta in a desperate attempt to secure an immediate move to Stamford Bridge.
But a lack of time ahead of last night's closure of the transfer window denied Chelsea and the Catalan club the chance to reach an agreement and the 27-year-old double World Player of the Year will now make the switch next July. As Sportsmail revealed on Monday, Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich spent last weekend in talks with Moreira in an audacious bid to bring the World Cup and Champions League winner to the Premier League.
But during informal discussions the two clubs were unable to agree a fee, Chelsea valuing the player at around 70million euros (47.5million), but Barcelona demanding nearer 100m euros (66m).
On Thursday night, Chelsea chief executive Peter Kenyon said they would not be signing Ronaldinho in what remained of the transfer window and made the point that it would be of no use to them to bring him over in January either. That was because, by then, he would be cup-tied for the Champions League, but Kenyon admitted that Ronaldinho was the kind of player Chelsea would like and said 'never say never'.
Now, it is understood, all parties accept it would be more prudent to delay for 11 months, although Ronaldinho is said to be frustrated because he was given a strong indication that Barcelona would be prepared to let him leave at the right price.
Yesterday he expressed that disappointment to friends but said he was now confident he would be a Chelsea player for the start of next season when a deal would be more attractive to the English club as he will only have two years left on his contract by then.
Meanwhile, Joe Cole, Andriy Shevchenko and any other wannabe Chelsea first teamers have been told to get in line and take their chance when it comes, just as Sean Wright-Phillips did.
Cole's unhappiness at not starting games surfaced this week, as exclusively reported in Sportsmail.
But Steve Clarke, manager Jose Mourinho's assistant, said Wright-Phillips was an example to follow adding: 'Sean had been used to being top guy at Manchester City and not having the same scrutiny of his performances. He came here and suddenly had to perform in just 20 minutes from the bench.
'He came on, didn't do very well and found himself out again. That was disappointing him gradually he picked it up and realised that in those 20-25 minutes, he has to impress. He has to impress every day in training.
'He's been doing that since January. Now he's one of our most consistent performers.'
Both Shevchenko and Cole are fit for the trip to Aston Villa tomorrow but may have to be satisfied with place on the bench.
The name of your thread is very much mis leading, ah surprise another member haven't brought dat to your attention. Not wishing, yuh how much things could happen to ah player from now tuh January transfer window, and even worst yet all de way tuh de next season, steupssss. Ah not trying tuh teach yuh English, but de man eh sign on de dotted line yet, so how de hell yuh put Ronaldinho joins Chelsea. It should be something like "Ronaldinho is on de way tuh becoming ah Chelsea player" or something of dat nature. Ah took it personal cuz Barca is meh team, and yuh messing wid meh head, when yuh talking about de best player at Barca and in de world, leaving tuh join another club. HIGHLY BLESSED.
I do not support at no time, but I cannot understand why you are being so emotional. According to the article they have an agreement in principle for him to join them next July, but only time will tell.
Post by: Gladman on September 01, 2007, 07:05:30 PM
Post by: SUPA on September 03, 2007, 03:57:55 PM
Ronaldinho, the Brazilian superstar, has agreed to join Chelsea but not until the start of next season.
He spent yesterday afternoon with his agent brother, Roberto de Assis Moreira, in talks with Barcelona president Joan Laporta in a desperate attempt to secure an immediate move to Stamford Bridge.
But a lack of time ahead of last night's closure of the transfer window denied Chelsea and the Catalan club the chance to reach an agreement and the 27-year-old double World Player of the Year will now make the switch next July. As Sportsmail revealed on Monday, Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich spent last weekend in talks with Moreira in an audacious bid to bring the World Cup and Champions League winner to the Premier League.
But during informal discussions the two clubs were unable to agree a fee, Chelsea valuing the player at around 70million euros (47.5million), but Barcelona demanding nearer 100m euros (66m).
On Thursday night, Chelsea chief executive Peter Kenyon said they would not be signing Ronaldinho in what remained of the transfer window and made the point that it would be of no use to them to bring him over in January either. That was because, by then, he would be cup-tied for the Champions League, but Kenyon admitted that Ronaldinho was the kind of player Chelsea would like and said 'never say never'.
Now, it is understood, all parties accept it would be more prudent to delay for 11 months, although Ronaldinho is said to be frustrated because he was given a strong indication that Barcelona would be prepared to let him leave at the right price.
Yesterday he expressed that disappointment to friends but said he was now confident he would be a Chelsea player for the start of next season when a deal would be more attractive to the English club as he will only have two years left on his contract by then.
Meanwhile, Joe Cole, Andriy Shevchenko and any other wannabe Chelsea first teamers have been told to get in line and take their chance when it comes, just as Sean Wright-Phillips did.
Cole's unhappiness at not starting games surfaced this week, as exclusively reported in Sportsmail.
But Steve Clarke, manager Jose Mourinho's assistant, said Wright-Phillips was an example to follow adding: 'Sean had been used to being top guy at Manchester City and not having the same scrutiny of his performances. He came here and suddenly had to perform in just 20 minutes from the bench.
'He came on, didn't do very well and found himself out again. That was disappointing him gradually he picked it up and realised that in those 20-25 minutes, he has to impress. He has to impress every day in training.
'He's been doing that since January. Now he's one of our most consistent performers.'
Both Shevchenko and Cole are fit for the trip to Aston Villa tomorrow but may have to be satisfied with place on the bench.
The name of your thread is very much mis leading, ah surprise another member haven't brought dat to your attention. Not wishing, yuh how much things could happen to ah player from now tuh January transfer window, and even worst yet all de way tuh de next season, steupssss. Ah not trying tuh teach yuh English, but de man eh sign on de dotted line yet, so how de hell yuh put Ronaldinho joins Chelsea. It should be something like "Ronaldinho is on de way tuh becoming ah Chelsea player" or something of dat nature. Ah took it personal cuz Barca is meh team, and yuh messing wid meh head, when yuh talking about de best player at Barca and in de world, leaving tuh join another club. HIGHLY BLESSED.
I do not support at no time, but I cannot understand why you are being so emotional. According to the article they have an agreement in principle for him to join them next July, but only time will tell.
Diambars, doh feel no way boss, ah not mad at yuh. De reason ah get so emotional, is because as long as yuh see Supa here, there are just a few teams dat are very close tuh meh heart, ah doh jump around from team tuh team. I love tuh watch good soccer, for example looking at Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea (some times), just tuh name ah few of dem. However, they are not my teams, the teams dat are close tuh meh heart, are my beloved T&T, USA (tuh ah certain extent), Brazil and meh Barca of course. Ah hope meh lil explanation clear up yuh mind, everything cool meh breddah :beermug:. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Post by: ttcom on December 05, 2007, 01:25:27 PM
MADRID (AFP) - Ronaldinho could be set for a move to Chelsea, according to one of the numerous reports Wednesday which suggested the embattled Brazilian is finally ready to depart Barcelona.
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Ronaldinho has fallen out of favour at the Nou Camp this season, especially since his reputation was damaged by highly-publicised reports of his nocturnal party lifestyle.
Amid falling sales of his number 10 shirt, a series of substitute appearances and an apparent lack of form, the 2006 Ballon d'Or winner is now on his way to Stamford Bridge, according to Spanish sports daily Marca.
Marca cited none of its sources but said the 27-year-old already holds an offer from the English Premier League side offering him 10 million euros a year.
British newspaper The Sun reported as far back as September that Chelsea were ready to offer Barcelona a whopping 70 million euros (102 million dollars) for Ronaldinho, who would receive an annual salary of 17 million euros.
But the possibility of Ronaldinho's departure from the Catalan giants has been amplified by the arrival in the city this week of his brother and agent, Roberto de Assis.
AC Milan are also said to be interested in Ronaldinho, who according to his brother appears ready to leave Barcelona before his contract expires in 2010 should the club express that wish.
"He is fine at Barcelona, but if someone wants him to leave he will go for free - without having to pay the get-out clause," Roberto de Assis told several Spanish newspapers.
De Assis appeared to deny that any deal had been done with Chelsea when he told El Mundo Deportivo: "I have not read the newspapers, but it is a big surprise for me, because I have not spoken with anybody.
"I cannot receive offers. The only one who can receive them are Barcelona."
"Is Ronaldinho leaving in December? Ask the club," he told reporters in Barcelona later on Wednesday, before adding that in the world of football "everything can change very quickly".
Meanwhile Barcelona coach Frank Rijkaard, whose future at the club has also been subject to speculation in recent weeks, has brushed off persistent rumours that Ronaldinho has been seeing his daughter Linsey.
"Her boyfriend is Brazilian, but it's not Ronaldinho", Rijkaard told a Dutch publication, Life after football, according to Catalan daily El Periodico.
Post by: jai john on December 05, 2007, 01:36:14 PM
The Barca President wont let Ronaldinho go just so ...he might prefer the coach make an early exit. only a man who wants to force someone's hand would bench a fit Ronaldinho !
Post by: TrinInfinite on December 05, 2007, 01:52:31 PM
God is de BOSS....
Post by: Brownsugar on December 05, 2007, 02:09:47 PM
RF not sure bout salary figures but I think Simoes salary is more than Wim
Yuh sure yuh in de right thread?? ???
Post by: weary1969 on December 05, 2007, 02:54:37 PM
Post by: D.H.W on December 05, 2007, 02:56:03 PM
Post by: Big Magician on December 05, 2007, 03:01:03 PM
Post by: Jah Gol on December 05, 2007, 03:17:02 PM
Post by: D.H.W on December 05, 2007, 03:41:24 PM
RF not sure bout salary figures but I think Simoes salary is more than Wim
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: Sando prince on December 05, 2007, 03:44:45 PM
RF not sure bout salary figures but I think Simoes salary is more than Wim
Yuh sure yuh in de right thread?? ???
Steups..I now notice dat... :rotfl: :rotfl:
Post by: asylumseeker on December 05, 2007, 03:51:24 PM
Post by: giggsy11 on December 05, 2007, 04:08:23 PM
Post by: Peong on December 05, 2007, 04:08:59 PM
He should go AC Milan and team up with Kaka and Pato.
Then save de beat for dem EPL teams in the Champions League.
Playin EPL teams week in and week out is not a good thing for skills men.
They does bring yuh down to their level.
Post by: giggsy11 on December 05, 2007, 04:33:34 PM
If he leaves he should go to AC Milan Chelski is a graveyard where people with talent does forget how to play and does lose their game. Malouda, Sheva, Diarra, SPW, Alex, Obe Mikel, just to name a few!
Ah meant SWP.
Post by: Touches on December 05, 2007, 04:59:12 PM
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Meanwhile Barcelona coach Frank Rijkaard, whose future at the club has also been subject to speculation in recent weeks, has brushed off persistent rumours that Ronaldinho has been seeing his daughter Linsey.
As a good father he is simply in denial. But this causing him stress so he cyar function on he coaching role and "teets" only studying Linsey and if she father go ketch him so he playing mess.
Rijkard hadda pull rank so he benchin him...makes perfect sense.
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Post by: Jah Gol on December 05, 2007, 05:57:17 PM
This not looking like the same girl at all
http://news.dipag.com/photo-Lindsay-Rijkaard-looks-on-0000016759.html
Post by: dutchman on December 05, 2007, 07:38:29 PM
very pretty girl Lindsay, should stop biting her nails.
spannish press says he will make 82 millones de euros por cinco temporadas. (82 mil euro for 5 years)
# Lo que supone 45.500 euros... al da. ( 45500 euro a day!)
look like he is sold his brother and manager says:
Roberto de Asss destac que el delantero azulgrana "est muy bien, muy tranquilo", que tiene una "relacin fantstica" con el Barcelona y un contrato hasta 2010. Sin embargo, no descarta ningn desenlace, porque "cada mircoles y cada domingo se escribe otra historia y todo cambia muy rpido en el ftbol".
Looks like Roberto wants to move to London too.
http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/317473/0/ronaldinho/contrato/chelsea/
Post by: elan on December 06, 2007, 02:33:48 PM
Post by: doublet750 on December 06, 2007, 11:16:11 PM
If he leaves he should go to AC Milan Chelski is a graveyard where people with talent does forget how to play and does lose their game. Malouda, Sheva, Diarra, SPW, Alex, Obe Mikel, just to name a few!
Malouda is playing for a club that has a realistic chance of wining something he couldnt get at LYON ...the Champions league...
Diarra developped a new position and flourished in a RB role
SWP is now one of the hottest performers this season(surely was under mourinho)
Alex has made the fear of losing john terry AND OR carvalho not so much of a heartattack not too mention he is stil fairly young....besides once again he has a realistic chance at a CHAMPS league title
Obi Mikel was playing at LYN and now has a chance at a CL title and is getting regular chances at first team footbal where he seems to be coming along like another essien of sorts
only proven failur in ur mentioned players list is SHEVA ...(this including the fact tht SWP took time to gain his confidence.) but to say its a graveyard is untrue...
one of the oldest men at the club MAKELELE would walk into the starting 11 of almost every club in the EPL if not the world...
people with talent forgetting how to play and lose their game may not be completly correct ...not jumping on u just pointing those facts out
AS for dinho....if he come he come if he dont he dont.....we went through da same shyt with sheva and we did get him..arsenal with viera and henry on if thy leaving ......who knows as for now...wats the sense of speculating
Post by: giggsy11 on December 07, 2007, 04:28:54 PM
If he leaves he should go to AC Milan Chelski is a graveyard where people with talent does forget how to play and does lose their game. Malouda, Sheva, Diarra, SPW, Alex, Obe Mikel, just to name a few!
Malouda is playing for a club that has a realistic chance of wining something he couldnt get at LYON ...the Champions league...
Diarra developped a new position and flourished in a RB role
SWP is now one of the hottest performers this season(surely was under mourinho)
Alex has made the fear of losing john terry AND OR carvalho not so much of a heartattack not too mention he is stil fairly young....besides once again he has a realistic chance at a CHAMPS league title
Obi Mikel was playing at LYN and now has a chance at a CL title and is getting regular chances at first team footbal where he seems to be coming along like another essien of sorts
only proven failur in ur mentioned players list is SHEVA ...(this including the fact tht SWP took time to gain his confidence.) but to say its a graveyard is untrue...
one of the oldest men at the club MAKELELE would walk into the starting 11 of almost every club in the EPL if not the world...
people with talent forgetting how to play and lose their game may not be completly correct ...not jumping on u just pointing those facts out
AS for dinho....if he come he come if he dont he dont.....we went through da same shyt with sheva and we did get him..arsenal with viera and henry on if thy leaving ......who knows as for now...wats the sense of speculating
My point is all those players I mentioned have not performed in a Chelski uniform the way they performed for their previous team. Diarra for example looks completely different in an Arsenal uniform. When was the last time Obi Mikel was talked about for bossing the game and not for his dreadful, break leg tackling? It appears that when players move to Chelski any natural ability to create is lost. Don't know if it is the system but stringing passes together and contributing to a beautiful game seems difficult to do. Makelele is past his sell by date. Please, what team that is tops in Europe he can walk on? Please name one. He can't even play week in week out for Chelski. He may be able to geh run on your middle tier or second tier teams in the EPL but that's why they are where they are.
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 07, 2007, 07:32:50 PM
If he leaves he should go to AC Milan Chelski is a graveyard where people with talent does forget how to play and does lose their game. Malouda, Sheva, Diarra, SPW, Alex, Obe Mikel, just to name a few!
Malouda is playing for a club that has a realistic chance of wining something he couldnt get at LYON ...the Champions league...
Diarra developped a new position and flourished in a RB role
SWP is now one of the hottest performers this season(surely was under mourinho)
Alex has made the fear of losing john terry AND OR carvalho not so much of a heartattack not too mention he is stil fairly young....besides once again he has a realistic chance at a CHAMPS league title
Obi Mikel was playing at LYN and now has a chance at a CL title and is getting regular chances at first team footbal where he seems to be coming along like another essien of sorts
only proven failur in ur mentioned players list is SHEVA ...(this including the fact tht SWP took time to gain his confidence.) but to say its a graveyard is untrue...
one of the oldest men at the club MAKELELE would walk into the starting 11 of almost every club in the EPL if not the world...
people with talent forgetting how to play and lose their game may not be completly correct ...not jumping on u just pointing those facts out
AS for dinho....if he come he come if he dont he dont.....we went through da same shyt with sheva and we did get him..arsenal with viera and henry on if thy leaving ......who knows as for now...wats the sense of speculating
My point is all those players I mentioned have not performed in a Chelski uniform the way they performed for their previous team. Diarra for example looks completely different in an Arsenal uniform. When was the last time Obi Mikel was talked about for bossing the game and not for his dreadful, break leg tackling? It appears that when players move to Chelski any natural ability to create is lost. Don't know if it is the system but stringing passes together and contributing to a beautiful game seems difficult to do. Makelele is past his sell by date. Please, what team that is tops in Europe he can walk on? Please name one. He can't even play week in week out for Chelski. He may be able to geh run on your middle tier or second tier teams in the EPL but that's why they are where they are.
I think it is to be expected that most players aren't going to perform the same way in one uniform as they did in another. Systems of play and team philosophy vary from team to team, not to mention team personnel. I disagree with most of what you're saying here especially the part about stringing passes together and the "beautiful game" part. Chelsea have no problem stringing passes together and their style of play is beautiful enough.......in MY eyes. John Obi Mikel happens to be one of the most solidly performing midfielders in the EPL. HE definitely has a beautiful passing game. You just might see it if you took off your red-devil sunglasses for a minute. >:( Watch dat!
Post by: giggsy11 on December 07, 2007, 08:18:32 PM
If he leaves he should go to AC Milan Chelski is a graveyard where people with talent does forget how to play and does lose their game. Malouda, Sheva, Diarra, SPW, Alex, Obe Mikel, just to name a few!
Malouda is playing for a club that has a realistic chance of wining something he couldnt get at LYON ...the Champions league...
Diarra developped a new position and flourished in a RB role
SWP is now one of the hottest performers this season(surely was under mourinho)
Alex has made the fear of losing john terry AND OR carvalho not so much of a heartattack not too mention he is stil fairly young....besides once again he has a realistic chance at a CHAMPS league title
Obi Mikel was playing at LYN and now has a chance at a CL title and is getting regular chances at first team footbal where he seems to be coming along like another essien of sorts
only proven failur in ur mentioned players list is SHEVA ...(this including the fact tht SWP took time to gain his confidence.) but to say its a graveyard is untrue...
one of the oldest men at the club MAKELELE would walk into the starting 11 of almost every club in the EPL if not the world...
people with talent forgetting how to play and lose their game may not be completly correct ...not jumping on u just pointing those facts out
AS for dinho....if he come he come if he dont he dont.....we went through da same shyt with sheva and we did get him..arsenal with viera and henry on if thy leaving ......who knows as for now...wats the sense of speculating
My point is all those players I mentioned have not performed in a Chelski uniform the way they performed for their previous team. Diarra for example looks completely different in an Arsenal uniform. When was the last time Obi Mikel was talked about for bossing the game and not for his dreadful, break leg tackling? It appears that when players move to Chelski any natural ability to create is lost. Don't know if it is the system but stringing passes together and contributing to a beautiful game seems difficult to do. Makelele is past his sell by date. Please, what team that is tops in Europe he can walk on? Please name one. He can't even play week in week out for Chelski. He may be able to geh run on your middle tier or second tier teams in the EPL but that's why they are where they are.
I think it is to be expected that most players aren't going to perform the same way in one uniform as they did in another. Systems of play and team philosophy vary from team to team, not to mention team personnel. I disagree with most of what you're saying here especially the part about stringing passes together and the "beautiful game" part. Chelsea have no problem stringing passes together and their style of play is beautiful enough.......in MY eyes. John Obi Mikel happens to be one of the most solidly performing midfielders in the EPL. HE definitely has a beautiful passing game. You just might see it if you took off your red-devil sunglasses for a minute. >:( Watch dat!
Yes sir Mr. Chow!
Post by: duscam on December 08, 2007, 06:10:54 AM
Post by: Jah Gol on December 08, 2007, 01:18:33 PM
Out-of-favour Barcelona superstar Ronaldinho has declared that he wants to stay at the club, with his brother and agent Roberto de Assis insisting that they are looking for a contract renewal.
Ronaldinho is going through a tough time with the Spanish giants and has been dropped from the Barca starting XI during the recent matches against Lyon and Espanyol.
This has led to reports that he is set to leave the club, with Chelsea and AC Milan constantly linked with a big-money move for him.
I want to stay at Barcelona, Ronaldinho told El Mundo Deportivo.
Here I am well and I am serene. I want to remain and fight for the squad and win things here.
Meanwhile Ronaldinhos brother and agent Roberto de Assis says that they are looking to renew the 27-year-olds contract with the club.
We have the complete intention to renew our contract with Barcelona, said de Assis.
My brother does not have the intention to leave and go to Chelsea, or anyone else.
All eyes now turn towards Barcelonas La Liga clash with Deportivo tomorrow evening. Another snub by Frank Rijkaard could make Ronaldinho feel very foolish after stating that he wanted to stay at the club.
bbc (http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=507198)
Post by: Mango Chow! on December 08, 2007, 01:41:37 PM
Post by: asylumseeker on December 08, 2007, 03:49:51 PM
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I would be careful in reading too much into Ronaldinho's pronouncements to the media. He has in the past made these kind of denials prior to transfer moves ... The key thread has always been 'a bird in hand is better than two in de bush". traditionally Assis is a mix of straight shooter behind the scene while Ronaldinho plays down the move.
With Ten Cate's prior association with Ronaldinho, who knows re: Chelsea.
Frankly, Rijkaard's position at Barca is more tenuous than Ronaldinho's. If Real pulls away significantly in La Liga nd Barca don't win any other hardware, I think it's goodie bye bye.
Post by: freakazoid on December 09, 2007, 05:56:53 AM
Perhaps Ronaldinho should leave Barcelona. There's no doubt that he's still among the best five players in the world. He's always indispensable and important for any team. However, my only fear is that of the normal trend in football. From experience, i know that a player can't remain at the very top of the elite for a period of four or five years. Sooner or later, players skills begin to disappear.
Ronaldinho has sent in his reply, saying without mincing words that:
I'm not leaving Barca. The press or whoever can say all they want to but I'm happy here and enjoying myself. My focus is on winning trophies with Barca, and we are fixed on the La liga and the champions league. That's my main concern.
Post by: Jah Gol on December 28, 2007, 05:18:34 PM
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A lil side note Bwin is an Online Betting Firm that happens to sponsor AC Milan and Real Madrid
Milan Official Meets Ronaldinho Agent Report
Speculation is increasing that Ronaldinho is set to move to Milan after the superstars brother and agent Roberto de Assis reportedly held a meeting with a Milan official.
According to TV3, the meeting took place in the Brazilian city of Porto Alegre in Rio Grande do Sul.
FIFA Agent Ernesto Bronzetti, who is a consultant to Milan, also fuelled speculation after travelling to Barcelona, however the transfer guru has insisted that he is only there on holiday and not to negotiate a transfer for Ronaldinho.
If Barcelona decide to sell him, then Milan are interested. However this will not take place until June, said Bronzetti.
Meanwhile Spanish newspaper Marca is today claiming that Milan could move for both Ronaldinho and his Barcelona team-mate Gianluca Zambrotta during the January transfer window.
Zambrotta is desperate to leave the Catalan-giants as his wife is homesick and wants to return to Italy as soon as possible.
A move to the Rossoneri is said to be a virtual certainty but the only question mark remaining is if the transfer takes place in January or at the end of the season.
goal.com (http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=528858)
Post by: Jah Gol on January 17, 2008, 06:07:18 PM
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With Inter having signed a new ten-year deal with Nike, Massimo Moratti has money to spend. His target: Ronaldinho...
In what is yet another example of financial and marketing power dictating matters football, Inter are supposedly ready to splash the cash on Ronaldinho.
Italian sports daily Tuttosport claims that armed by the Nike deal, Inter president Massimo Moratti is looking to bring the unsettled Barcelona ace to the club as part of the Nerazzurri's centenary celebrations.
AC Milan's interest in the Brazilian superstar is said to have cooled, but as Chelsea are still interested, Moratti could face some competition.
However, a new Nike sponsorship deal - lasting ten years - has given Inter the financial means to offer an attractive package to the Brazilian, who may in any case welcome a move to Italy depending on how the rest of his season goes at Camp Nou.
Of late, Italian clubs have fallen behind in the marketing sense, unable to match the global pull of the likes of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Manchester United and Arsenal, and Moratti is interested in correcting that.
What is more, the Brazilian practically pays his own salary, and more, so apart from the one time transfer fee that the Nike deal can finance, Inter will not have to spend a penny on the player.
Neither Barcelona nor Inter have yet to comment on this speculation, but Tuttosport claim that Inter coach Roberto Mancini is also keen on the switch due to the aging nature of his current front line, particularly Hernan Crespo and Julio Cruz, who are both now on the wrong side of 30.
Ronaldinho missed out on his side's 0-0 draw with Sevilla last night, and has yet to feature for Barcelona after he was humiliated following the El Clasico defeat to Real Madrid.
Nike also have a close relationship with Barcelona, it must be noted. However, Ronaldinho is no longer the runaway leader in terms of marketability as Thierry Henry and Samuel Rto'o, but most importantly Lionel Messi, move up the ladder. A move might just be the best option for all four parties involved.
goal.com (http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=549032)
Post by: Peong on February 22, 2008, 05:20:43 PM
Buck: Ronaldinho not coming to Chelsea
Chelsea won't try to sign Barcelona star Ronaldinho at the end of the season according to the Premier League club's chairman.
Ronaldinho has endured a disappointing campaign with Barca and, after being left out several times by coach Frank Rijkaard, it was suggested the Brazilian was keen to leave the Nou Camp.
Chelsea are one of the few clubs who could afford the former World Player of the Year and chairman Bruce Buck admitted they had considered making a bid, before deciding to look elsewhere for new signings.
'Ronaldinho? No, I don't see it being likely that Ronaldinho will be here next year,' Buck told Sky Sports News.
'Anything was a possibility and certainly there had been rumours and discussions of that, but I don't see it happening.'
Meanwhile, Buck is convinced Frank Lampard will agree a new contract with the Blues despite negotiations being put on hold.
'We want him to stay and he has said he wants to stay,' Buck said. 'He also said he'd like to delay discussions until the summer, but I'm optimistic that we'll be able to sort something out.
'It's only because he wants to concentrate on his football. He's a wonderful player and a superb guy and we'd like to see him for the long-term at Chelsea football club.'
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Post by: dinho on March 04, 2008, 07:01:04 PM
R10 coming back....
Touches galore today..
Ah see ah sweet no look past to Henry... Ah see he run through the side get kick, move like he was limping but then hit Eto'o ah no look pass that was supposed to be goal.. Ah see ah man get ah air spanner and then ah bullet after.. Ah see some sweet touches and he hustling too..
Like he finally shake off de blight..
Ah tink de real Ronaldinho going and stand up from henceforth.
Post by: kicker on March 04, 2008, 09:05:25 PM
Post by: jai john on March 05, 2008, 08:34:23 AM
Yeah fellahs...
R10 coming back....
Touches galore today..
Ah see ah sweet no look past to Henry... Ah see he run through the side get kick, move like he was limping but then hit Eto'o ah no look pass that was supposed to be goal.. Ah see ah man get ah air spanner and then ah bullet after.. Ah see some sweet touches and he hustling too..
Like he finally shake off de blight..
Ah tink de real Ronaldinho going and stand up from henceforth.
If not we might see a name change .....omarkaka !
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on March 05, 2008, 08:44:24 AM
I hope you're right. I think people were quick to write him off more for drama sake than anything else... The fact that people expect magic EVERY SINGLE TIME he touches the ball is just testament to his greatness. He had a bad slump by his standards, but it was over-dramatized because the stage was set for him to light up WC '06 and it didn't happen..then the press jumped on his back........Last season was considered a failure for him despite him scoring 21 goals in la liga...... :-\ He's also had some recent nagging injuries, but when fit & healthy he can call a price as high as any......Ronnie has 3-5 good years left in him and I think he will light it up one more time before he exits.
For lack of a better phrase R10 dig he own grave by setting his standard so high. Between 05/06 he was so super human so for him to play like a mere mortal now people can't seem to grasp the concept.
But that is typical football fan for yuh. When yuh playing good and winning they go celebrate yuh, but a loss of form and they kicking down the very pedestal they put you on.
Post by: KND2 on March 05, 2008, 10:45:45 AM
his only goal now is to win champions league and win world cup.
These guys were very disapointed in Germany and he knows that he has to win in 2010,
This is the year to rest because qualifyers start followed by the cup straight through.
The man just taking it easy
Post by: Filho on March 05, 2008, 11:22:58 AM
The man resting for the world cup.
his only goal now is to win champions league and win world cup.
These guys were very disapointed in Germany and he knows that he has to win in 2010,
This is the year to rest because qualifyers start followed by the cup straight through.
The man just taking it easy
what else he tell yuh ;)
Post by: Marcos on March 05, 2008, 11:45:11 AM
For lack of a better phrase R10 dig he own grave by setting his standard so high. Between 05/06 he was so super human so for him to play like a mere mortal now people can't seem to grasp the concept.
But that is typical football fan for yuh. When yuh playing good and winning they go celebrate yuh, but a loss of form and they kicking down the very pedestal they put you on.
Horse you forgetting 2003/2004 or wha?
The man single-handedly made Barca relevant again.
He just needed a rest, now he gearsin' up for a comeback.
Plus, the competition for the spotlight from Messi and CRonaldo, the new Best Player on the Planet (I know men will argue about Kaka, but let's be honest, he eh have it like dat), must light a fire under him. He has to perform to keep getting that Nike money.
Post by: dombasil on March 05, 2008, 12:22:23 PM
Long may it continue.
Post by: jai john on March 05, 2008, 02:37:44 PM
Post by: Filho on March 05, 2008, 03:36:09 PM
he will get his chance to shine now since the flea is injured ! When messi around Dinho still plays well ...just a little difficult to outshine a young leonel messi at the moment. I guarantee that if Dinho was playing for another team doing the same things he would be rated as performing in the clouds ....you know how many good players get overshadowed by diego ?
not really. Dinho form had really fallen off for part of this season, plus he had some injury concerns. Both Ronnie and Messi can shine in the same team if they are both on top of their game. It's happened before and over the past couple of seasons players like Iniesta, Xavi, Borjan, Yaya, Eto'o etc..have enjoyed rave reviews even while Messi does his thing. I agree with you that it's all relative..the brilliance of Messi can put all others in the shade, but he not so incredible that you would not realize if others performing at a high level too...
Post by: dinho on March 05, 2008, 05:27:55 PM
sylvinho!!
ah find he and ronaldinho used to link up real nice when ronaldinho had his best season, and two of them does complement each other with sylvinho overlapping and drawing defenders away etc...
ah mean abidal is a better player and defender, but i just find the sylvinho-ronaldinho combination brings the best out of that left side.
Post by: Filho on March 05, 2008, 07:56:59 PM
on another note, ah find nobody eh talk about de unseen catalyst yesterday...
sylvinho!!
ah find he and ronaldinho used to link up real nice when ronaldinho had his best season, and two of them does complement each other with sylvinho overlapping and drawing defenders away etc...
ah mean abidal is a better player and defender, but i just find the sylvinho-ronaldinho combination brings the best out of that left side.
have to agree 100%. Abidal is better defensively than Sylvinho, but for Barca, his play in the attacking third has been below par. The Brazilian's link up play with Ronaldinho has always been great to watch. He moves the ball better and faster in the attacking third of the pitch and is a better crosser of the ball. Lately Rijkaard has been using Sylvinho more and more and its good to see him get a Champion's League run. But when Barca need more stability at the back, Abidal will likely get the call.
Post by: kicker on March 06, 2008, 08:34:45 AM
on another note, ah find nobody eh talk about de unseen catalyst yesterday...
sylvinho!!
ah find he and ronaldinho used to link up real nice when ronaldinho had his best season, and two of them does complement each other with sylvinho overlapping and drawing defenders away etc...
ah mean abidal is a better player and defender, but i just find the sylvinho-ronaldinho combination brings the best out of that left side.
Check de Barca - Celtic thread...Me & Disgruntled done big him up....
Post by: Grande on March 06, 2008, 11:28:59 AM
Understandable that Roberto Carlos had that left flank on lockdown and Dunga going with youth now but he at least warranted a Brazil bench.
Post by: Marcos on March 07, 2008, 09:58:52 AM
Curious as to how Sylvinho only manage a measly 6 caps for Brazil.
Understandable that Roberto Carlos had that left flank on lockdown and Dunga going with youth now but he at least warranted a Brazil bench.
Man I wondered the same thing a long tiem ago.
Post by: kicker on March 07, 2008, 10:05:27 AM
Curious as to how Sylvinho only manage a measly 6 caps for Brazil.
Understandable that Roberto Carlos had that left flank on lockdown and Dunga going with youth now but he at least warranted a Brazil bench.
Man I wondered the same thing a long tiem ago.
Underrated and unfortunate...some people just don't catch the breaks...
Post by: Jah Gol on March 27, 2008, 10:32:17 AM
Reports in the English press claim Barcelona have finally given up on Ronaldinho and will sell him in the summer if a bid of 18m comes along. Chelsea are thought to be interested.
The Brazilian playmaker has put in some shocking performances for the Catalans this season as revelations about his party lifestyle and reluctance to train keep emerging.
Recent drama revolved around Ronaldinho not playing for Barcelona, with a message from doctors on the club website exposing as wrong the player's claims that he "was injured."
Barca chiefs have decided enough is enough and seem willing to cash in. The 28-year-old for Paris St-Germain star has a buy-out clause in his contract of around 125m, but it seems a bid of around 18m will probably be enough to convince Barcelona to part with the player.
There are even reports in the Spanish press that 'Dinho's brother, Roberto de Assis, could potentially buy his brother for his own club, Porto Alegre Futebol Clube, before engineering a further transfer from there, but this rmains mere paper talk at the moment.
Elsewhere, The Sun claim that Chelsea are interested in bringing the Brazilian to Stamford Bridge, believing they can revive his flagging career.
The newspaper even suggests that the Blues even provisionally agreed a five-year, 11.6m-a-season deal with Ronaldinho back in September with a view to a January move, only for the player to decide to stick it out in Spain. Now it appears staying put is less of an option.
http://goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=636606
Post by: weary1969 on March 27, 2008, 01:30:59 PM
Post by: giggsy11 on March 27, 2008, 02:19:23 PM
well actually..if abramovich leaves it wont make much difference now....the samsugn and adidas deals are some fo the best sposnor deals in teh world.(only eclipsed by barca and man u )....and chelsea website launches have been bringin in teh dollars
added all to which roman has invested over 250MILL in this club and ive watched my blues transform from teh perenial champions league 4th spot challenger....to a Champions league FINAL CHALLENGER....after all them years behind aint nowhere else to head for but the front
What you smoking?
Chelsea posts record losses every year.
If Abramovich leaves they will be in a mad dash to avoid becoming Leeds. All of their players are on big wages and many will have to be sold, buyers will squeeze them for bargains, knowing that they are desperate and they will have no chance of keeping Mourinho.
And if Roman pull up tent, Chelski wouldn't be able tuh afford tuh pay over priced John Terry or Lampard. Plus all dem players like Ballack, Essien, Obe Mikel, SWP, Sheva wouldn't have been interested in going tuh Chelski if dey couldn't geh big money for dem! Dey also went there becuase Chelski would over pay and raise dey salary! Dey sure as hell didn't go for the tradition or history!
By the way dred, Mourinho doh coach dem no more.
Post by: Trini Madness on March 27, 2008, 04:11:21 PM
Post by: giggsy11 on March 27, 2008, 06:01:06 PM
i thought chelsea didnt want ronaldinho
Yuh ever notice dat Chelski does only chase players dat odder teams identify an interest in?
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Post by: freakazoid on April 02, 2008, 06:02:11 PM
ah watching d man on youtube and ah real coasting dread .what d hell gone wrong with d man? ah wonder if the truth go surface? yes i know to maintain ah level like that day in day out is near impossible but geez
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Post by: capodetutticapi on April 02, 2008, 06:50:46 PM
Post by: freakazoid on April 02, 2008, 07:46:44 PM
i am ah barca fan but if hiis going to another club means him getting back 2 his old self then i am all for it. i am a bigger fan of attractive and happy football
Post by: elan on April 02, 2008, 07:51:37 PM
Post by: Grande on April 02, 2008, 08:02:54 PM
Ah was askin meh self when was the last time a brazilian player big name player who was rated as tops dominated the scene for more dan one or two years? Kaka, Dinho, Adriano, to name a recent few. Could it be Cafu or Ronaldo?
Good call on Cafu ...in his Roma and early Milan days, doubt there was anyone better in his position
Post by: capodetutticapi on April 02, 2008, 08:47:24 PM
the man christen it ah KJ ouitrue why cry over spilt milk. ;D
i am ah barca fan but if hiis going to another club means him getting back 2 his old self then i am all for it. i am a bigger fan of attractive and happy football
Post by: capodetutticapi on April 04, 2008, 07:13:41 AM
4/4/2008 8:43 AM
Ronaldinho Misses Training AgainRonaldinho missed training again on Friday and now looks very doubtful to be considered for a place in Barcelona's squad for the visit of Getafe this weekend.
The Brazilian officilly pulled out of the behind-closed-doors session because of a recurrence of pain in his right leg, the same injury that has seen him miss the last five games.
After training as normal on Thursday with the rest of the squad, Ronaldinho advised the coaches that he would not be present and reported to the club's medical team.
There was more bad news for Frank Rijkaard as Deco is set to undergo more tests on the injury that he aggravated on Thursday in training, but is definitely not able to play on Sunday.
It was hoped that by missing the game against Schalke 04 in midweek, the Portuguese midfielder would be ready to face Getafe, but the latest setback has ruled that out.
Gaby Milito also did not participate in the session on Friday as he still has a groin strain, even though that did not stop him playing in the Champions League game in Gelsenkirchen.
Post by: Filho on April 04, 2008, 08:17:00 AM
Ah was askin meh self when was the last time a brazilian player big name player who was rated as tops dominated the scene for more dan one or two years? Kaka, Dinho, Adriano, to name a recent few. Could it be Cafu or Ronaldo?
Good call on Cafu ...in his Roma and early Milan days, doubt there was anyone better in his position
It's an extremely rare player who can dominate the scene for more than two or three years. They may maintain a very high level over many years and even fade a little then recover so that they have more than one spell at the top of their game, but year in year out it is hard to call a player who was consistently the best for years on end. In terms of the more recent Brazilians (post WC1994), I would call players like RCarlos, Rivaldo, Cafu and Ronaldo as the ones who hovered amongst the best of their trade for many years. They didn't always dominate, but they were consistently in the highest bracket for their positions. Too early to make that call on Kaka..he's had 2 stellar seasons followed by this one in which he hasn't played much due to injury. But its not like he peaked and starting to fade..he actually now reaching his peak years (in theory). He also is loosely part of a generation that includes Messi and C. Ronaldo..with exceptional talents like Bojan and Pato coming up. It's unlikely he will look dominant throughout his career, but he probably has a few years left to be considered amongst the best. Being too harsh on Dinho..he has been playing at a very high level since WC2002 and we forget that it is the first 3 seasons at Barca that R10 destroy all comers. And in his 4th season when he was apparently poor he still scored somethng like 20 goals in the league..so even though we know he could play far better than he playing now..in terms of dominating the scene..R10 do it as long as you could really expect.
Post by: Ponnoxx on April 04, 2008, 08:47:51 AM
Post by: kicker on April 04, 2008, 09:38:06 AM
Unnecessary fight down is what gone wrong...The man is a boss...without him and Messi Barca doesnt have seem to have inspiration...I believe the man will have another one or two great seasons but the media and Barca have to come off his back for a while and let him do what he does best
Agreed....
Not saying his performances didn't flatten out a bit (afterall yuh can't expect a man to be producing magic day in day out with every touch of the ball)...but the criticism and the media hype around his struggles kinda help to put him in a sour light and I think it ultimately played a part on his confidence....
Post by: Observer on April 04, 2008, 10:21:54 AM
Unnecessary fight down is what gone wrong...The man is a boss...without him and Messi Barca doesnt have seem to have inspiration...I believe the man will have another one or two great seasons but the media and Barca have to come off his back for a while and let him do what he does best
Media yes, Barca??? From what I have read Rjkaard & the players have been very supportive of Ronaldinho. With both parties pleading with the media to cut him some slack.
Now the Barca supporters may be another story, because Ronaldinho has been caught living up from all accounts. He needs to go on the down low if this is true. Remember people use to say the same about Diego & everyone made excuses for him & look what happened. I eh saying Ronaldinho doing anything unethical, I just saying he needs to be more responsible.
Post by: Marcos on April 04, 2008, 10:47:12 AM
Hope for a quick recovery.
Post by: Filho on April 04, 2008, 11:02:34 AM
Post by: Bourbon on April 04, 2008, 11:32:10 AM
seems like the man wasn't faking after all. Barca docs couldn't find what was wrong with him. and I doh think it is a cover up otherwise dey woulda just say out for the rest of the season..i think :-\
Same thing i wondering.....but...how come barca doctors couldnt pick it up?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/7331319.stm
Post by: Toppa on April 04, 2008, 08:42:37 PM
Post by: Jah Gol on April 05, 2008, 12:35:09 PM
AC Milan president Silvio Berlusconi has suggested that are club are just waiting to hear a response from Ronaldinho as to whether or not he will join up with the Rossoneri for next season.
Berlusconi has been a long time admirer of the Brazilian, having made numerous attempts to take him to the San Siro in recent years, and it looks like he could finally get his man if his comments in an interview on Italian television on Friday are to be taken seriously.
While the Spanish press was breaking news of the injury that will possibly rule Ronaldinho out for the rest of the season, Berlusconi was in front of the 'Mediasat' cameras, suggesting that Milan were close to completing a deal for the twenty-eight year old.
"We are waiting on Ronaldinho," he affirmed. We are hoping..."
Although Berlusconi refused to elaborate, Catalan daily Sport has taken the hand gesture that followed his words as indication that a deal is imminent.
Earlier in the week, the Spanish press stated that the player could invoke Article 17 of the game's laws that would mean that he could buy himself out of his own contract.
The interview comes just days after Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani met with Ronaldinho's brother and agent Robert de Assis for dinner, and although both parties suggested that the meal was simply a social affair, it seems that the wheels are in motion for Ronaldinho to play in the red and black of Milan next season.
goal.com (http://goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=647712)
Post by: capodetutticapi on April 06, 2008, 08:59:19 AM
It has already been reported earlier in the season that Drogba was keen to leave the club following the dismissal of Jose Mourinho and that reality looks to be a step closer with news of further dressing room unrest in West London.
According to the News of the World, Drogba and Ballack clashed before Chelseas recent victory over Arsenal and the paper also claims the striker has rowed with both Claude Makelele and goalkeeper Peter Cech before the Carling Cup defeat to Spurs in February.
The striker has become increasingly frustrated at Chelsea this season and has often made his feelings very clear on the subject in various interviews. It is understood that he was very close to former manager Jose Mourinho and upset by the Portugueses departure from the club.
This has led to patchy performances all year by the striker as he has seen his season disrupted by firstly injury and then the African Cup of Nations. Chelsea have also bought in Nicolas Anelka, in what is seen as a clear sign that Drogba will not be at the club next season.
Certainly his body language at times hasnt looked the best and in yesterdays victory over Manchester City he was to be seen sitting darkly on the bench, his features hidden by a hat and his ipod firmly plugged into his ears.
The news will no doubt alert many of the top clubs to his services once again. Drogba has already been reported as being a target for both Milan clubs, Real Madrid and Barcelona and it is thought much might depend on both the asking price that Chelsea slap on their striker and also the summer destination of a certain Jose Mourinho. What does seem certain is that Drogbas Chelsea career is nearing its end.
Post by: freakazoid on April 11, 2008, 05:30:30 AM
Thirty million is more than was first expected in Barcelona but it seems that Berlosconi is desperate to make the move official as quickly as possible because on Sunday he is standing in the Italian presidential elections. For Barcelona it has been a love affair that had to come to an end, three very happy years followed by a slow decline. Its a great shame but in the end I feel that Bara should be happy with the divorce settlement. All that remains is for the full extent of Ronnies partying to be released in the Catalan press. I hope they at least wait until he has officially left the club.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on April 11, 2008, 05:45:06 AM
Post by: freakazoid on April 11, 2008, 05:48:33 AM
its not an official news site, but from experience the info does be legit
Post by: Peong on April 11, 2008, 09:55:43 AM
Ah love meh Barca but AC Milan is de real ting.
I look forward to seein Ronaldinho, Kaka, Pato and Drogba :)
Post by: elan on April 11, 2008, 10:25:03 AM
Post by: Jah Gol on April 11, 2008, 11:35:12 AM
The Barcelona playmaker seems almost certain to join the Rossoneri after Milan Vice President Adriano Galliani revealed last night that a deal for both the Brazilian and Chelseas Andriy Shevchenko was as good as done.
"He is great, said Pato, when asked about Ronaldinhos probable arrival.
I know he is, even if some people say otherwise without knowing him well.
A slacker? Who says? He trains in Barcelona, you should check him every day before you judge. And also this year he has been plagued by injuries.
"As a person, finally, he is exceptional - like all the Brazilians that I've met since coming to Europe."
Paloschi
Pato also had some words of praise for fellow teenage young gun Alberto Paloschi, as well as midfield bulldog Rino Gattuso.
"Paloschi is great, we already understand eachother, even though we've never played together before, the Brazilian stated.
"I also love playing with (Rino) Gattuso. I watched him on TV at home in Brazil and now I am playing with him. On the field he is a fighter, but in training he is full of jokes."
goal.com
Post by: Jah Gol on April 11, 2008, 11:40:20 AM
Over the past week or so, reports in the Italian press have been strengthening that Ronaldinho will be signing for Milan.
Last night sources in both Italy and Spain claimed that an agreement had been reached between all parties to take the Brazilian to San Siro, seemingly after Barcelona and Milan agreed a cut-price deal.
Onda Catalana Radio had claimed that Galliani flew to Barcelona yesterday and that a meeting took place between him, Ronaldinhos brother and agent Roberto de Assis, middleman Ernesto Bronzetti and Barcelona director Txiki Begiristain.
De Assis has since strengthened talk of an imminent transfer.
We only want to talk to Milan, he had confirmed. He [Ronaldinho] will either go there or stay at Barcelona.
The Prodigal Son Returns
Meanwhile Milan have also been working hard to bring back old favourite Shevchenko back to the club - with bossed Silvio Berlusconi and Adriano Galliani keen to see their former favourite back in a red and black shirt.
The Ukrainian has had a miserable time since leaving to join Chelsea in 2006, and is reported to have made an emotional phone call to Carlo Ancelotti earlier this week, in which he coaxed the coach to re-sign him.
Chelsea are happy to offload him for a lot less than they signed him for, and it seems that the San Siro gates have been opened for him as well after Carletto gave the nod.
Galliani's Rubber Stamp
Galliani has confirmed that both deals are practically done.
Ronaldinho and Shevchenko are 180 per cent Milan players, he told journalists last night.
Both players are expected to cost just in excess of 20 million euros each.
goal.com
Post by: freakazoid on April 11, 2008, 12:01:48 PM
Post by: Filho on April 11, 2008, 02:24:00 PM
the only sad thing is millan ant going to qualify 4 the champions league
nah..the saddes thing is the fatman brocko. A woulda love to see Dinho, Kaka, Pato and Fatman take a run for the rossonerri
Post by: dinho on April 11, 2008, 02:26:10 PM
the only sad thing is millan ant going to qualify 4 the champions league
nah..the saddes thing is the fatman brocko. A woulda love to see Dinho, Kaka, Pato and Fatman take a run for the rossonerri
the saddest thing is that it looking like milan not studying to replace the 50 yr old men playing defence for them..
Post by: Filho on April 11, 2008, 02:46:38 PM
the only sad thing is millan ant going to qualify 4 the champions league
nah..the saddes thing is the fatman brocko. A woulda love to see Dinho, Kaka, Pato and Fatman take a run for the rossonerri
the saddest thing is that it looking like milan not studying to replace the 50 yr old men playing defence for them..
the saddes thing is the deadly off season de Gat and Ambrosini hadda endure when they realize the extra running dey hadda do with Ronni on the field
Post by: Marcos on April 11, 2008, 03:07:31 PM
You better believe Real and the rest of La Liga will jump for joy when that boy leaves the league.
Post by: Tenorsaw on April 11, 2008, 06:01:38 PM
Post by: davidephraim on April 12, 2008, 04:17:11 AM
Iz about time Ronaldinho play for a big club. :)
Ah love meh Barca but AC Milan is de real ting.
I look forward to seein Ronaldinho, Kaka, Pato and Drogba :)
everybody duck... de new chelsea has arrived.
Post by: Jah Gol on April 12, 2008, 07:04:13 AM
Ronaldinhos brother and agent Roberto de Assis has confirmed that the Barcelona star has agreed terms over his move to Milan.
On Thursday night Milan Vice President Adriano Galliani revealed that Ronaldinho was 180 per cent a Rossoneri player.
In the hours since this declaration, the jigsaws in his proposed summer move have continued to fall into place, and de Assis has now confirmed that there is a preliminary agreement between Ronaldinho and Milan.
"In general, Ronaldinho and Milan are in agreement," de Assis told the Gazzetta dello Sport.
The Italian newspaper goes on to say that the contract will be until 2012, and will net the Brazilian 8million-a-year.
Milan will pay Barcelona between 20-30million, with Ronaldinho buying up the rest of his Barcelona contract.
Milan transfer guru Galliani has also confirmed that a deal has been reached with the 28-year-old, but said that there is still much to discuss with Barca.
"There is a general agreement with the player, he stated.
Now a deal has to be reached with Barcelona. Give us time.
Inter Milan President Massimo Moratti earlier stated today that his club would fight Milan for Ronaldinhos signature, however the chances of this now look very slim.
goal.com
Post by: SUPA on April 12, 2008, 11:49:10 AM
pepper sauce ;D
its not an official news site, but from experience the info does be legit
Yuh good yes, :rotfl:. HIGHLY BLESSED.
Post by: freakazoid on April 12, 2008, 06:54:37 PM
this is one fans take,.................Oh well guess ill be switching to a Milan supporter now. Ill still check the site once in a while because you provide some good insight but where Ronnie goes so do I.
Post by: breezers on April 12, 2008, 07:40:14 PM
so dinho gone are u still going 2 b a barca fan?
this is one fans take,.................Oh well guess ill be switching to a Milan supporter now. Ill still check the site once in a while because you provide some good insight but where Ronnie goes so do I.
Well dais jus how some ppl does drop it..but fuh me is nuttin new..ah mean ah still eh wuh loose muh big playa eh but is like deja-vu...was like dis since with Figo and Valdo (dey even run muh boi Kluivert too)..so ah accustom with de heart aches...but when one leave another 2 or 3 step up..so wuh happen...happen oui...BARCA-4-LIFE!!
Post by: Jah Gol on April 13, 2008, 04:18:58 AM
If by some miracle Milan qualify for the Champion's League and meet Barca, I would still back Barca but I would like Ronaldinho back in his prime.
Post by: Jah Gol on April 13, 2008, 04:21:18 AM
On Saturday the agent told La Gazztetta Dello Sport that an agreement had been reached with Milan, by the end of the night the agent dropped another bombshell.
Assis was in Turin sitting alongside Adriano Galliani in the VIP box to see Milan Play Juventus and after the game he spoke to journalists and he revealed that he is working hard to make the deal happen.
Does Ronaldinho want o play for Milan? Yes, he wants to come but at the moment we are still at an early stage, De Assis told Italia Unos Guida Al Campionato.
We (Assis and Milan) have asked Barcelona for permission to begin talks so that we can reach a deal, now we have to wait for a response from them.
I will be trying very hard to finalise a deal and hopefully we can agree as I want the best for my brother.
It seems as if the Brazilian star will be swapping his Azulgrana shirt for the Rossoneri jersey.
Its going to be an interesting transfer and no doubt Milan fans around the world will be jumping with excitement once the deal is finalised.
Salvatore Landolina
Post by: Daft Trini on April 13, 2008, 10:41:23 AM
Just my view.....I think AC Milan will have to adjust their style of play greatly to accomodate Ronaldinho. I don't think this is a natural fit, as I see AC Milan as a systematica nd technical team, very structured. Ronaldinho (to me) needs a more "on the fly" team.
He should go play for Arsenal then...
Post by: Bourbon on April 13, 2008, 10:55:32 AM
Post by: weary1969 on April 13, 2008, 11:17:15 AM
Post by: Jah Gol on April 14, 2008, 04:28:28 AM
Galliani has long been involved in the chase for the Brasilian's signature, throughout his highs and indeed some of his lows at Camp Nou, though at one point his situation had become so dire that even Milan declared they were no longer interested.
Deal
Rumours caught wind a week to 10 days ago and indeed it appears a deal has been thrashed out with the player, and only club negotiations and formalities now stand in the way of him plying his trade for the Rossoneri next season.
"We have a deal in principle with the player," revealed Galliani on Sunday. "We were allowed to speak to the player by Barcelona and now we're looking to come to an agreement with Bara."
Indeed this version of events has more or less been cosigned by the two time Player of the Year's brother and agent, Roberto de Assis.
Agreement
Speaking to an Italian publication, Assis said of his brother, who is likely to miss the rest of a miserable season due to injury, that he is impressed with his first impressions of the club and only formalities need be sorted out.
"Basically, Ronaldinho and Milan have come to an agreement," said de Assis.
"Milan are a great team, Ronaldinho was impressed with his first contact with them.
"The important thing is that he will be happy. When will a deal be finalised? You have to be patient."
Gazzetta dello Sport claims that the superstar will be signed on a contract runnin until 2012 worth an astronomical 8 million a year.
The transfer fee remains a point of contention: Bara are looking to receive 30 million for the player that led their rise to the pinnacle of world football. However, Milan are reluctant to spend over 16 million, despite reports that bitter city rivals Internazionale may bid 25 million and emerging financial heavyweights Manchester City would be willing to meet Bara's marker of 30 million.
Despite having less money on the table than mid-table Manchester City, Serie A champions and champions-elect Inter appear to be Milan's main rivals for the Gaucho's signature, following a statement from club president Massimo Moratti.
Relations
Roberto Mancini provocatively welcomed the notion of the 28-year-old joining the Nerazzurri two months ago, but interest soon waned on their part, but Moratti has today stated that they are still open to the deal, have a good relationship with the player and his agent, and will asses their options soon.
"We will asses the possibility next week," Moratti told Sky television. "We have good relations with Barcelona and Ronaldinho's agent. We will see."
Despite de Assis claiming Milan are the only team in the frame and the only team who have made a formal approach, Moratti believes his side still have a say in the matter.
"It depends a bit on our decision," he said. "It is a deal that Milan is conducting well and it is like the transfer market is open. Therefore it is open for us too."
Whether Moratti is merely toying with Galliani and company or whether we will witness another battle between the Milanese giants for a star talent remains to be seen, but Inter have certainly put themselves back in the running.
Santino Santoro, Goal.com
Post by: Touches on April 14, 2008, 07:05:29 AM
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on April 14, 2008, 08:46:59 AM
Disgruntled...dont cry for him now disgruntled!
WAIT!!! Is ah Arsenal man throwing talk for me dey.
Check yuh self dey Touches, leh we doh go down that road especially from a side that was on top of the EPL for 3/4 of the season and is now third in the league and out of the CL.
And even if R10 leaves Barcelona is still a formidable side, better than Arsenal anyway.
Forumites, Barcelona was a big side before and will be side if and when he leaves. We have persevered after several high profile Brazilians left, namely, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Romario and the latest Ronaldinho.
As a side we have to persevere and try to salvage something out of this season, we have ManUre to play in the CL and the Super Classico next month as well, in Real no less.
But all is not lost Barca fans, we have Bojan, Gio, Messi, Eto'o and an out of from Henry. We still better off than most sides.
On a side note Milan are fifth in the Serie A and CL next year looks distant for them.
Post by: Peong on April 14, 2008, 09:51:37 AM
the only sad thing is millan ant going to qualify 4 the champions league
That didn't matter to Ronaldinho in the past.
How much champions league football Barcelona play in Ronaldinho's first year there?
Post by: Jah Gol on April 14, 2008, 04:12:26 PM
The Brazilian ace has been widely tipped for a move to AC Milan at the end of the season. He is finding life very hard at Barcelona and has been told that his services at the club are no longer required, and the Rossoneri are set to win the race for his signature.
However, any hopes of him being handed the number 10 shirt have been dashed by Clarence Seedorf, the proud owner of the number at Milan.
Ronaldinho was given the number 10 shirt off the back of Juan Roman Riquelme when he moved to Camp Nou from PSG five years ago, but there is unlikely to be a repeat.
"When I was playing for Inter, I used to wear the number 10, and when I moved to AC Milan, I could not continue using it because it belonged to Rui Costa," explained Seedorf.
"When he left the club, I was able to wear my favourite number, so I think that this example should prevail this time as well."
However,, Seedorf stressed that he is very happy with the possibility of playing alongside Ronaldinho, saying: "I will be very happy, because he is a big champion. He will be welcomed."
Post by: freakazoid on April 14, 2008, 04:20:18 PM
Post by: Peong on April 14, 2008, 08:15:23 PM
That sound like somebody fabricate that report.
Post by: 7 blessings on April 15, 2008, 01:54:03 AM
Ronnie u could come to the Siro, only if you serious bout dis ting doh...we dont need flare and no form...and please milan please leave Shevy where he is dread...he leave and went an too too down heself in England ....doh take him back and make AC more of a retirement home dat it already is!
Post by: Jah Gol on April 15, 2008, 10:39:42 AM
Berlusconi will become prime minister of Italy for a third time after his centre-right coalition snatched back political power in elections that ended yesterday.
"The months and years ahead will be difficult," Berlusconi told Italian television in a live phone call.
After the victory was announced the media mogul and entrepreneur threw a party to celebrate his victory, and among the guests was Ronaldinhos brother-and-agent Roberto de Assis.
De Assis has been in Milan for a week now discussing the expected transfer of his sibling, and his presence last night at Berlusconis banquet has only served as a further prelude to a summer transfer.
Yesterday De Assis admitted that negotiations were going well.
Milan are enthusiastically involved in negotiations with Ronaldinho, he told French TV channel Canal Plus.
We have made lots of steps forward, even though that doesnt mean that the deal is done.
goal.com (http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=660420)
Post by: Jah Gol on April 20, 2008, 04:20:03 PM
MILAN, April 20 (Reuters) - AC Milan have failed to agree a transfer fee with Barcelona for Ronaldinho after a preliminary discussion, the Serie A club's chief executive said on Sunday.
"Yesterday we had a conference call. The figures haven't fallen into place," Adriano Galliani told Sky after Milan's 5-1 win over Reggina. "Maybe Ronaldinho won't come and a main striker arrives."
Ronaldinho's brother and agent Robert De Assis has agreed personal terms with Milan but Inter Milan and Manchester City are also interested in the Brazil playmaker.
Milan want a frontman since Brazilian striker Ronaldo is out for a lengthy spell with a knee injury and Filippo Inzaghi is now 34 years old. They have consistently said they would welcome back former striker Andriy Shevchenko from Chelsea.
Milan are fifth in Serie A and could miss out on next season's Champions League, which the Rossoneri won last term.
Asked if a deal for Ronaldinho might stall because of this, Galliani added: "Ronaldinho went to Barcelona when they were in the UEFA Cup. It happens to all the great European clubs, I hope it doesn't happen to Milan.
"Anyway, Ronaldinho is a Barcelona player, not a Milan player."
reuters (http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldFootballNews/idUKL2020653520080420)
Post by: asylumseeker on April 20, 2008, 05:51:03 PM
I like the idea of Seedorf keeping the #10. Then again, I am also intrigued with the notion of Ronaldinho becoming unhinged in the Premiership.
Post by: Zeppo on April 29, 2008, 09:36:04 AM
When Barcelona walk out against Manchester United on Tuesday there will be one player conspicuous by his absence - Ronaldinho.
The Catalan side are locked at 0-0 and would have been a different proposition going into the second leg of the Champions League semi-final with a fit Ronaldinho in their ranks.
But he is injured, boss Frank Rijkaard said this week he expected the Brazilian to exit the Nou Camp at the end of the season and there is more than a hint of mystery surrounding how an apparently perfect club/player marriage has come apart at the seams.
(continue) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/7356366.stm)
Post by: Peong on April 29, 2008, 09:43:05 AM
Post by: weary1969 on April 30, 2008, 11:49:20 AM
Post by: Storeboy on April 30, 2008, 04:41:36 PM
Post by: Jah Gol on May 23, 2008, 09:03:09 AM
Pep Guardiola is considering making a concerted effort to make Ronaldinho stay at Barcelona and try and reinvigorate the superstar's career next season.
The current B team boss is set to take over from Frank Rijkaard at the end of June but is already planning who he wants in his squad and who does not.
Ronaldinho's talent is undoubted and Guardiola has already held meetings with the Brazilian to determine what frame of mind he is in and what his problems have been.
A deal that could have sealed a transfer to AC Milan for the former PSG star broke down after the Italian club could not agree a transfer fee with Bara.
Added to that, the Rossoneri's failure to qualify for the Champions League has seen them decide to be more frugal this summer and their pursuit of Ronaldinho has cooled.
Manchester City did make an offer, but the player did not want to even entertain such a move and could now be set to stay at Camp Nou.
Guardiola is said to be in talks with the board over which positions he believes need strengthening, but if he can gain assurances that Ronaldinho will turn the corner then that could save the club several million euros.
The incoming coach has admitted in the past to being a huge fan of the Brazilian and would dearly love him to put his off-pitch problems behind him and return to the fold.
Ronaldinho is said to have suffered under Rijkaard's system of allowing players to behave as they please and took his social life to extremes while missing many training sessions.
That will change next season and Ronaldinho has to decide if he wants to return to full fitness and be included in Guardiola's plans or look for a club willing to risk buying him this summer.
http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=704992
Post by: Bourbon on May 23, 2008, 09:08:39 AM
Guardiola Could Ask Ronaldinho To Stay
Pep Guardiola is considering making a concerted effort to make Ronaldinho stay at Barcelona and try and reinvigorate the superstar's career next season.
The current B team boss is set to take over from Frank Rijkaard at the end of June but is already planning who he wants in his squad and who does not.
Ronaldinho's talent is undoubted and Guardiola has already held meetings with the Brazilian to determine what frame of mind he is in and what his problems have been.
A deal that could have sealed a transfer to AC Milan for the former PSG star broke down after the Italian club could not agree a transfer fee with Bara.
Added to that, the Rossoneri's failure to qualify for the Champions League has seen them decide to be more frugal this summer and their pursuit of Ronaldinho has cooled.
Manchester City did make an offer, but the player did not want to even entertain such a move and could now be set to stay at Camp Nou.
Guardiola is said to be in talks with the board over which positions he believes need strengthening, but if he can gain assurances that Ronaldinho will turn the corner then that could save the club several million euros.
The incoming coach has admitted in the past to being a huge fan of the Brazilian and would dearly love him to put his off-pitch problems behind him and return to the fold.
Ronaldinho is said to have suffered under Rijkaard's system of allowing players to behave as they please and took his social life to extremes while missing many training sessions.
That will change next season and Ronaldinho has to decide if he wants to return to full fitness and be included in Guardiola's plans or look for a club willing to risk buying him this summer.
http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=704992
Since i hear they hit a snag...and nothing eh happen to this point yet...i was just like this... :praying:
Post by: Jah Gol on June 14, 2008, 06:34:07 AM
Ronaldinho is on track to become one of Luiz Felipe Scolaris first Chelsea signings, after the players agent hinted the Barcelona star would welcome the switch
According to The Sun, Scolari will contact the two-time FIFA World Player of the Year within the next few days to gauge his psychological and emotional state before proceeding with negotiations.
The 28-year-old endured a horror season at Camp Nou, making only 17 appearances in La Liga as he struggled with fitness, form and personal problems.
While the ex-Gremio playmaker has been universally flagged as a high-risk venture, Scolari who coached Brazil to victory the 2002 World Cup may be keen to reunite with the sublimely skilful player who was so crucial in the Selecaos success in Japan and Korea.
Ronaldinhos brother and agent, Roberto de Assis, said: At the moment Ronaldinho is taking a complete break at home in Porte Alegre.
There are options for next season and obviously he knows Scolari very well and they have enjoyed great success together.
Well see what happens but my brother will be ready for next season.
Competition
Assis has met with Chelsea in the past, as Blues owner Roman Abramovich has long targeted Ronaldinho as one of his dream signings.
But the west Londoners will face strong competition from Manchester City, whose owner Thaksin Shinawatra is equally desperate to land the Brazilian superstar and recently received the go ahead from new manager Mark Hughes.
Barca are willing sell and are asking around ₤20million for the former Paris Saint Germain man, who will demand wages in the vicinity of ₤120,000-per-week figures that are unlikely to deter either of the cashed-up Premier League clubs.
goal.com (http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=734361)
Post by: Jah Gol on June 14, 2008, 06:35:42 AM
Manchester City are prepared for a battle to the death with Chelsea, to the victors going Barcelona superstar Ronaldinho
City were supposedly on the verge of landing the brilliant Brazilian, having gone deep into discussions with the players brother-cum-agent Roberto de Assis.
But the revelation that Luiz Felipe Scolari will take over at Chelsea has thrown something of a sledgehammer in the works, as Big Phil is keen on bringing his compatriot to Stamford Bridge.
But The Sun reports that City owner Thaksin Shinawatra will stop at nothing to sign the two-time FIFA World Player of the Year, as he believes the club must sign world-class talent if they are to achieve their ambition of reaching the Champions League.
The Citizens, headed by new manager Mark Hughes, have offered the 28-year-old ₤120,000-per-week to play at Eastlands next season figures which Blues billionaire Roman Abramovich may yet better.
The Sky Blues will spare no expense to land their man, however, as they are confident of recovering their expenditure via the rise in commercial and merchandising revenue that would no doubt result from Ronaldinhos arrival.
goal.com (http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=735759)
Post by: Jah Gol on June 14, 2008, 03:25:18 PM
Chelsea have offered Didier Drogba to Barcelona as a part of the deal to bring Ronaldinho and Deco to Stamford Bridge.
The two Barcelona stars are on Luiz Felipe Scolari's agenda, and Chelsea representatives travelled to Catalunya this morning in order to discuss the move.
Big Phil supposedly has a 120 million euro budget at his disposal, so paying for the duo should not be a problem. But with Didier Drogba set to leave, the Blues are trying to include him to keep some of their cash for other deals.
In particular, Chelsea are also interested in signing Samuel Eto'o or David Villa. Eto'o will be discussed today, but the purpose of this meeting is to reach an agreement over the two Brazil born players, who have been made available by Barcelona.
Chelsea have an offer of 30 million euros in addition to Didier Drogba, though Barcelona are expected to demand 50-55 million in a straight cash deal. They paid 40 for Ronaldinho in 2003, and 14 for Deco a year later (along with Ricardo Quaresma, rated at 7m).
Even if Barcelona are open to Didier Drogba, the African himself may pose a problem as he angles for a move to Milan or Inter.
"I have a contract with Chelsea until 2010, so I am still a Chelsea player," he told Sky Sports earlier today. "Mourinho is my friend and I am happy for him because he was missing coaching. He is a top coach but, like I said, my contract runs until 2010."
As such, the Blues have travelled well aware that they will need to put the money on the table if they want to wrap this up, particularly with Manchester City interested in Ronaldinho and Inter in Deco.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=736312
Post by: D.H.W on June 14, 2008, 03:30:10 PM
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Post by: freakazoid on June 14, 2008, 08:04:16 PM
Post by: weary1969 on June 14, 2008, 08:34:08 PM
Post by: legal alien on June 15, 2008, 11:04:20 AM
it is just a matter of when it will happen. but i know my pardners and real people here go be vex to see him in premiership. maybe big phil as coach go soften up people.
Post by: Jah Gol on June 19, 2008, 03:45:04 PM
"I miss the team, and I hope to return as quickly as possible," the 2005 Ballon d'Or winner said.
Ronaldinho said he had fully recovered from the thigh injury that has kept him out of action since March, adding: "I really want to take part in the Olympic Games."
He also said that he had been working hard on his fitness level, training everyday during his holidays in southern Brazil.
The 28-year-old, who was named FIFA World Player of the Year in 2005 and 2006, has had a difficult season with the Spanish giants, failing to find the form that helped the club to Liga and Champions League glory.
Ronaldinho is under contract until 2010, but has been linked with a number of clubs, including the Premier League's Manchester City.
http://www.fifa.com/menolympic/news/newsid=810373.html
Post by: weary1969 on June 19, 2008, 08:05:04 PM
Post by: Jah Gol on June 20, 2008, 04:27:01 PM
Brazilian Football Federation president Ricardo Teixeira has apparently called up Ronaldinho Gacho for the Olympic Games, defying the will of coach Dunga...
Ronaldinho was seen at the Mineiro stadium in Belo Horizonte during Brazil's goalless draw against Argentina for the 2010 World Cup qualifying.
There, he told the press that he was absolutely sure that he would represent the Brazilian colours at the Olympic Games in Beijing.
And yesterday, the CBF president stressed that Ronaldinho will be a very important asset to the squad in this tournament.
"He is a player that has what it takes to make a great Olympic tournament and a great World Cup qualifying with us," he told Jornal Nacional. "I ask the Brazilian fans to support Ronaldinho because it is very important that he returns to the Seleo.
Dunga's Decline
If Ronaldinho does make it into Brazil's squad plans, this certainly weakens Dunga, who has kept the Barcelona ace out of his call-ups.
The 44-year-old coach has already commented on this matter, criticizing the Brazilian federation: "I came here to do a work, I set rules and some did not like that."
Ronaldinho himself, meanwhile, said this week that he's itching for an international recall, and it seems as though he may just get his wish despite the desires of the manager.
Brazil are currently in fifth place in the CONMEBOL qualifying region and will thus have to play a team from CONCACAF if they stay in this position in the standings table.
goal.com (http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=744736)
Post by: weary1969 on June 20, 2008, 06:13:11 PM
Post by: giggsy11 on June 20, 2008, 06:22:53 PM
Post by: Jah Gol on June 25, 2008, 12:45:38 PM
Ronaldinho could be set to commit his future to Barcelona and take Pep Guardiola up on his challenge after Boca Juniors enquiry was met with a rejection.
The Brazilian superstar has yet to officially announce his next move but his brother and agent, Roberto de Assis, has now started to regularly state that he wants to complete his contract at Camp Nou, according to Sport.
AC Milan, and Manchester City have both been strongly linked with a mega money move for the 28-year-old, but with the Italians' interest now cooling off and the player not keen on England, other clubs are trying their luck.
Chelsea are also said to have thrown their hat in the ring, but Roman Abramovich wanted the player two seasons ago and his interest appears to now lie elsewhere.
Along with Brazilian outfits Palmeiras and Internacional, Argentinian giants Boca Juniors made a direct approach when their vice-president, Juan Carlos Crespi, spoke to Ronaldinho himself.
During Brazil's recent international with Argentina, the Xeneizes' official gave his card to the player and asked whether he would consider joining his club.
While no automatic response was forthcoming, De Assis made it clear that Boca would likely miss out because Ronaldinho was prepared to stay and win his place back at Bara.
"He has a contract with Barcelona until 2010 and the idea is that he will stay there," he stated.
Guardiola held talks with Ronaldinho before he went on holiday and challenged the former PSG star to return to the club and become the player he was three seasons ago.
The new Blaugrana coach is a huge fan of Ronaldinho and is thought to have tried to talk him into staying during their meeting and that could have changed the whole scenario.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=750511
Post by: sammy on June 25, 2008, 01:45:59 PM
Post by: Jah Gol on June 30, 2008, 05:27:54 AM
Post by: breezers on June 30, 2008, 11:50:28 AM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=552737&sec=europe&cc=5901
Messi urges Barcelona to keep Ronaldinho
Barcelona star Lionel Messi has urged his club not to let Ronaldinho leave, insisting he still has much to offer the Catalans.
After a disappointing, injury-hit season, Ronaldinho has been told by Barca that he is not part of their plans as they target wholesale changes after two trophy-less campaigns.
The two-time FIFA World Player of the Year last played on March 9 and that is likely to be his last appearance in a Barca shirt, although Messi believes Ronaldinho can help turn around the club's fortunes.
'Personally I would love it if Ronnie continued with us,' Messi told Spanish sports daily El Mundo Deportivo.
'I have always said that he is one of the best footballers in the world and I believe that he can still do many things at Barcelona.'
The pair played against each other on Saturday as each captained a team of international stars in a match to promote an anti-racism campaign.
Ronaldinho enjoyed a stellar return, pitching in with two goals and two assists as the game finished 7-7, and Messi believes his team-mate is back to his world-beating best.
'It's been a long time since I saw Ronaldinho and it was a great joy for me,' he said. 'It's always a pleasure to share good moments with him.
'He seemed well to me, recovered from the injury that prevented him from playing the last games for Barcelona.
'He showed that he continues to do things with the ball that are out of this world.'
Meanwhile, Ronaldinho insists he does not care where he plays next season, as long as he gets pitch time.
'My time with Barcelona has been a marvellous story, looking at what we have won,' Ronaldinho told Brazilian television channel Rete Globo.
'The supporters will never forget it. When I walk through Barcelona the people are very affectionate towards me.
'A lot of things have been invented about me but the fans have always recognised my hard work and professionalism.
'All that I ask now is to return to playing as soon as possible - it doesn't matter where.
'I want to do what I love most of all, and that is to play football.'
Post by: Zeppo on July 03, 2008, 03:44:35 AM
The troubled Brazilian is unsure what his next move will be after seeing interest from AC Milan waver and Chelsea not make any concrete moves, while an offer from Manchester City failed to interest him.
Now Ronaldinho could be given another idea to consider with LA Galaxy set to offer him a staggering 18m-a-year to play for them over the next three to five seasons.
(continue) (http://www.goal.com/en-india/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=759757)
Post by: Mr Fix-it on July 03, 2008, 04:18:08 AM
LA Galaxy To Tempt Ronaldinho
The troubled Brazilian is unsure what his next move will be after seeing interest from AC Milan waver and Chelsea not make any concrete moves, while an offer from Manchester City failed to interest him.
Now Ronaldinho could be given another idea to consider with LA Galaxy set to offer him a staggering 18m-a-year to play for them over the next three to five seasons.
(continue) (http://www.goal.com/en-india/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=759757)
Madness if he thinking to make that move :beermug:
Post by: Tigger on July 03, 2008, 04:24:05 AM
Post by: kiffysmooth on July 03, 2008, 07:39:17 AM
Post by: andre samuel on July 03, 2008, 07:54:21 AM
Yuh win World Cup and yuh win Champions League.
Go and count de dollars.......
ah love it!!
Post by: Marcos on July 03, 2008, 08:37:40 AM
LA Galaxy To Tempt Ronaldinho
The troubled Brazilian is unsure what his next move will be after seeing interest from AC Milan waver and Chelsea not make any concrete moves, while an offer from Manchester City failed to interest him.
Now Ronaldinho could be given another idea to consider with LA Galaxy set to offer him a staggering 18m-a-year to play for them over the next three to five seasons.
(continue) (http://www.goal.com/en-india/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=759757)
Madness if he thinking to make that move :beermug:
18 mil Euro ~$28 mil. Daz not mad horse. Not atall.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on July 03, 2008, 08:43:34 AM
Post by: boss on July 03, 2008, 09:44:45 AM
Post by: fitzinho on July 03, 2008, 09:46:31 AM
I will make it my life's ambition to ban goal.com articles from this or any other site :beermug::rotfl: :rotfl: :devil:
Post by: Jayerson on July 03, 2008, 09:52:03 AM
I will make it my life's ambition to ban goal.com articles from this or any other site :beermug:
They mentioned it on the Fox Soccer report also. However, go ahead with the quest though, goal.com has to be the leader in misinformation.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on July 03, 2008, 11:53:00 AM
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Post by: 1-868 on July 03, 2008, 12:09:05 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7486830.stm
Man City hopeful over Ronaldinho
Barcelona have told Ronaldinho he can leave the club
Manchester City executive chairman Garry Cook remains confident they can convince Brazilian star Ronaldinho to sign for the club.
The 28-year-old is set to leave Barcelona and City have been in talks with Ronaldinho's representatives about bringing him to Eastlands.
"Although there is long way to go, we are optimistic," said Cook.
"We will continue to do so until it is not right to bring the player to the club or he decides not to come."
City broke their transfer record on Wednesday to sign striker Jo from CSKA Moscow for an undisclosed fee, and the club are keen to pair him with the former World Player of the Year.
Ronaldinho, who struggled with form and fitness problems last season, has also been linked with a move to AC Milan and Chelsea, but Cook said City are genuine contenders in the race to capture one of the game's biggest names.
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I'm not sure that Ron the party boy is worth the wages
Blueatherts
"We are in the hunt and have been talking to them on a regular basis," said Cook.
"We know it is a competitive market place. There are some complexities (to a possible deal) that you don't normally associate with signing a player.
"Any great player is welcome here as this is a growth club. We are on a journey and are not going to stop until we create a new era."
Manager Mark Hughes is adamant that City can give Ronaldinho the platform he needs to get back to his best.
"Perhaps in the last 18 months he has not reached his potential," he said.
"We are offering him an opportunity that will stimulate him and enable him to get back to the level he was at before.
"I think it could be an interesting idea for him. Maybe what we are doing here would attract him more than going to an established Champions League club.
It was one of my priorities when I became manager to keep him
Mark Hughes on Richard Dunne
"The decision will be his, of course, as I am sure he will have many offers. Whether he can see our vision remains to be seen.
"He is a world star and if these things are going to happen they are likely to take a bit of time and we are patient.
"It is a process that is on-going. It has not slowed in any way shape or form and there is no immediate deadline."
Meanwhile, Hughes is close to agreeing new deals with captain Richard Dunne and goalkeeper Joe Hart.
On Dunne, he said: "It is as good as done. He is a really important player for us. It was one of my priorities when I became manager to keep him.
"Joe is another one we want to stay. We hope to resolve his situation. Those negotiations are ongoing but I think there is a will on both sides."
Post by: TrinInfinite on July 03, 2008, 12:15:21 PM
God is de BOSS...
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Post by: breezers on July 05, 2008, 12:58:21 AM
'Ronaldinho 80-90% likely to join Milan' - Agent
Ronaldinho is '80-90%' likely to secure a move to AC Milan, according to the Barcelona playmaker's agent Roberto De Assis.
Milan have long been linked with a move for Ronaldinho after the Brazilian was told he was not part of Barca's plans for the future.
wee teams cyar get dah big playa!!! ;D
Vice-president Adriano Galliani insisted on Thursday that a deal would only be completed if the price is right, but De Assis is confident his client will make the switch to the San Siro.
'Yes, it's true, it's true that he'll probably go to Milan,' De Assis - who is also Ronaldinho's brother - told Lombardy television stations.
'Everything's ready for the transfer. He is there 80-90% and we are working towards that.
'He is working hard to get back to his best and the important thing is that now he is fine and that he is working for his future.'
Milan might be leading the pack but there is no shortage of other possible destinations for Ronaldinho, with Chelsea and Manchester City just two of the clubs reportedly in the hunt.
However, De Assis rubbished suggestions that the two-time FIFA World Player of the Year could join David Beckham at Los Angeles Galaxy.
'There's a contract with Barca, there's other possibilities,' he added. 'We'll see in the next fortnight.
'LA Galaxy? No, no, absolutely not. Why Galaxy?
'I absolutely rule out Galaxy. It's not possible because he is only 28 and he wants to play at least five or six years more at the top level in world football.'
Post by: breezers on July 05, 2008, 01:01:11 AM
'Ronaldinho 80-90% likely to join Milan' - Agent
Ronaldinho is '80-90%' likely to secure a move to AC Milan, according to the Barcelona playmaker's agent Roberto De Assis.
Milan have long been linked with a move for Ronaldinho after the Brazilian was told he was not part of Barca's plans for the future.
Vice-president Adriano Galliani insisted on Thursday that a deal would only be completed if the price is right, but De Assis is confident his client will make the switch to the San Siro.
'Yes, it's true, it's true that he'll probably go to Milan,' De Assis - who is also Ronaldinho's brother - told Lombardy television stations.
'Everything's ready for the transfer. He is there 80-90% and we are working towards that.
'He is working hard to get back to his best and the important thing is that now he is fine and that he is working for his future.'
Milan might be leading the pack but there is no shortage of other possible destinations for Ronaldinho, with Chelsea and Manchester City just two of the clubs reportedly in the hunt.
However, De Assis rubbished suggestions that the two-time FIFA World Player of the Year could join David Beckham at Los Angeles Galaxy.
'There's a contract with Barca, there's other possibilities,' he added. 'We'll see in the next fortnight.
'LA Galaxy? No, no, absolutely not. Why Galaxy?
'I absolutely rule out Galaxy. It's not possible because he is only 28 and he wants to play at least five or six years more at the top level in world football.'
wee teams cyar get dah big playa!!! ;D
Post by: elan on July 05, 2008, 11:24:42 AM
Post by: Benchwarmer on July 15, 2008, 03:30:41 PM
RONALDINHO: A.C.MILAN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
7/15/2008
AC Milan and FC Barcelona have reached an agreement for the transfer of Ronaldinho to the Rossoneri's club. Tomorrow the player will be in Milan for the medical and to sign the contract which will tie him to Milan until June 30th 2011.
and from BBC:
Barcelona playmaker Ronaldinho will sign for AC Milan on Wednesday, according to the Italian giants.
"AC Milan and Barcelona have reached an agreement in principle over the transfer of Ronaldinho," the Italian club said on their website.
"The player will be in Milan on Wednesday to undergo a medical and sign a contract that will keep him at Milan until 30 June 2011."
Manchester City had also bid for the 28-year-old Brazilian.
City appeared favourites to sign Ronaldinho from the Nou Camp outfit after reportedly tabling a 25.5m bid.
But Italian newspaper Gazzetta dello Sport reported on its website that Milan will pay Spanish side Barcelona just 14.6m for his services, with the figure likely to be increased by performance-related bonuses.
BBC Sport's Phil McNulty
Milan chief executive Adriano Galliani has been in Barcelona for talks with the club and the player for two days.
The two-time Fifa World Player of the Year's time at Barcelona effectively came to an end in June when new manager Pep Guardiola announced the playmaker was surplus to requirements.
Nevertheless, the Catalans were not prepared to release Ronaldinho to join Dunga's Brazil squad for next month's Beijing Olympics.
Ronaldinho helped Barcelona win back-to-back Spanish league titles (2004-05, 2005-06) and the Champions League in 2006, but failed to cement a regular place in the starting XI last season because of injury and fitness issues.
Post by: dinho on July 15, 2008, 03:52:32 PM
Post by: Peong on July 15, 2008, 04:02:46 PM
Kaka + Ronnie + Pato.
Brasil go reap de benefits.
Post by: Jah Gol on July 15, 2008, 04:07:01 PM
28-year-old Brazilian football star Ronaldinho phones in a car on July 14, 2008 in Barcelona. Barcelona has received a 32 million euros (51 million dollar) offer for two-time world player of the year Ronaldinho from English Premiership side Manchester City, the Spanish club's president Joan Laporta reported on July 14. AFP PHOTO/ JOSEP LAGO (Photo credit should read JOSEP LAGO/AFP/Getty Images)
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Post by: Jah Gol on July 16, 2008, 07:23:58 AM
Brazilian superstar Ronaldinho smiles as he arrives at Milanello training centre in Carnago, nothern Milan, on July 16, 2008. Ronaldinho agreed late on July 15, 2008 to leave Barcelona, where he was deemed surplus to requirements, and sign for AC Milan in a deal reported to be worth 30 million dollars. AFP PHOTO / GIUSEPPE CACACE (Photo credit should read GIUSEPPE CACACE/AFP/Getty Images)
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on July 16, 2008, 07:51:26 AM
I think Barca made a mistake here.
Messi can't do it by himself and his very injury prone.
They've lost Deco and now Ronaldinho, and by the looks of things they want to show Eto'o the door as well.
So no attacking midfield, no flair and creativity. Granted Iniesta and Xavi there but they not in R10's class.
Jesus, I am inconsolable right now.
Thanks for the good years R10, you brought glory back to Barca, sorry to see you leave.
Post by: dinho on July 16, 2008, 08:02:44 AM
he had to go... Ronaldinho needs a change of environment and a new challenge to somehow turn himself around and get back to something near to his best level.
Eto'o is one of my favorite players but i feel the same applies to him. Them fellahs seem to me like they lacking motivation or get too big for the club or something.
Barca go be ok next year man.
They will play a bit differently than we used to. I feel Guardiola will set them up a bit more conventional and solid now that he is without a mercurial talent he could just stick out on the left and give a free role to do his thing.
I feel Henry will come good if he gets a full season at his natural position of center forward under his belt. I feel Danny Alves go be a revelation and will put in some nice ball for Henry. And I feel Messi go be player of the year next year.
lewwe see how it goes.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on July 16, 2008, 08:11:15 AM
Barcelona said Belarussian midfielder Alexander Hleb is expected at the club for a medical Wednesday prior to his transfer from Arsenal.
"If he passes the medical tests, Alexander Hleb could sign a contract tomorrow (Thursday) and be presented as our new player," the club said on its website.
The Belarussian, who joined Arsenal from VfB Stuttgart in 2005, scored only 10 goals in his three seasons at the London side.
Hleb, who had also been linked with a move to Italian champions Inter Milan, said during an interview in Russia last week that he had told Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger that he did not like living in London and wanted to leave the club.
If the transfer goes through, the 27-year-old would be Barca's fifth signing for the 2008-2009 season.
The club has already signed Mali's midfielder Seydou Keita from Seville and three defenders: Spaniard Gerard Pique from Manchester United, Uruguayan Martin Caceres from Villarreal and Brazilian Daniel Alves from Seville.
Post by: asylumseeker on July 16, 2008, 08:42:06 AM
Post by: fari on July 16, 2008, 08:42:40 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jul/16/acmilan.serieafootball
Post by: dinho on July 16, 2008, 08:48:49 AM
Man City would have been the REAL challenge for Ronaldinho - and I say that with my usual disclaimer with respect to the game in England. One wonders how he would have responded to a Sven-led Man City offer.
Ronaldinho does not run back and defend and yuh cyah get away with that in England...
Plus, Mark Hughes brand is all about continuous running, fitness and effort and less to do with finesse. Couple that with a club owner/dictator impatient for success and champions league glory and I feel it woulda been a massive catastrophe.
Just the mental image of dinho in man city is sickening.
This is Stephen Ireland.. Passes to Michael Ball.. To Ronaldinho :puking:
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on July 16, 2008, 09:20:09 AM
I feel if that was the only offer left in Europe he would've rather gone back to Brasil.
Barca go be ok next year man.
They will play a bit differently than we used to. I feel Guardiola will set them up a bit more conventional and solid now that he is without a mercurial talent he could just stick out on the left and give a free role to do his thing.
I feel Henry will come good if he gets a full season at his natural position of center forward under his belt. I feel Danny Alves go be a revelation and will put in some nice ball for Henry. And I feel Messi go be player of the year next year.
That is not no Champions League winning side dey.
Hleb is a decent player but down the stretch he eh no R10.
Barca should've bargained for Pato or Pirlo. The more I think about it, the more I feel it go end bad.
Post by: dinho on July 16, 2008, 09:29:07 AM
Valdes
Alves Puyol Pique Abidal
Toure/Keita
Messi Hleb Xavi Iniesta
Henry
I feel this side could do things.. remember centre mid is Hleb natural position, is Wenger farm him out on de right..
They need to sign somebody else for the left though.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on July 16, 2008, 09:34:51 AM
the 1st one is ultimate skill
the 2nd one yuh see how much kick the brother get
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_u5Iqcwaks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YXbzjH0pKM
Post by: Bianconeri on July 16, 2008, 09:41:18 AM
after that 11 ya call there...well 12...they have krkic and maybe gudjohnsen if he stay....they better have some youths comin up if they eh buyin again...
but they should with ronaldinho money in the bank now
it gonna be interesting to see how AC play this rounds...Seedorf done not likin the fact that Ronaldinho comin and he say he not givin up his no. 10 jersery and he not gonna play in a deeper role jus to accomodate ronaldinho.....
Ronaldinho as much as i find he's a good player, seem like he doh biz again...like Ronaldo...gettin fat...injured...form going down...
we go see
hope it doh turn out like how it did for Rivaldo and Redondo
Post by: Jah Gol on July 16, 2008, 09:45:20 AM
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on July 16, 2008, 10:08:30 AM
with all that said....ya dont think Barca squad a lil think in terms of numbers??
after that 11 ya call there...well 12...they have krkic and maybe gudjohnsen if he stay....they better have some youths comin up if they eh buyin again...
but they should with ronaldinho money in the bank now
If the bench thin again.
Milito (injured)
Sylvinho
Oleguer
Jorquera (Keeper)
Jos Martn Cceres (Uruguay)
Rafa Marquez
nothing in the way of attack or midfield
I starting to get a headache yes
Post by: dinho on July 16, 2008, 10:12:29 AM
Eidur go back up in attacking mid/forward..
They must buy ah next forward if they sell Eto'o (hopefully not Adebayor).
They must buy 1 or 2 more nippy men for de midfield and attack..
And they have ah couple gems in de youth setup too..
de sky eh fallin fellahs.. ronaldinho and deco were unrecoverable at barcelona, get over it.
Post by: jai john on July 16, 2008, 10:45:04 AM
Who, in they right mind, thought that a WC/CL winner and a former world player was going to Man City?
I feel if that was the only offer left in Europe he would've rather gone back to Brasil.
Barca go be ok next year man.
They will play a bit differently than we used to. I feel Guardiola will set them up a bit more conventional and solid now that he is without a mercurial talent he could just stick out on the left and give a free role to do his thing.
I feel Henry will come good if he gets a full season at his natural position of center forward under his belt. I feel Danny Alves go be a revelation and will put in some nice ball for Henry. And I feel Messi go be player of the year next year.
That is not no Champions League winning side dey.
Hleb is a decent player but down the stretch he eh no R10.
Barca should've bargained for Pato or Pirlo. The more I think about it, the more I feel it go end bad.
yeah but consider that is ah squad dat Barca buliding ...dem fellas name you call eh sitting on bench...bench warmers are necessary for any successful team. When a team challenges for more than 1 title they need players who are prepared to take the inferior role for the benefit of the team. Players need to be rested and bench warmers are key to keep the momentum going. Also it is good for team chemistry when you have benchers who accept their role ...Some benchers have even gone on to be regulars ... last thing you want as a breeder is a fight between your prized stallions !!
Post by: Observer on July 16, 2008, 11:11:27 AM
Now they are in need of defenders (no secret). They still have not solved their striker issues. So their shopping list still includes a striker (or two) and a minimum of two defenders.
Post by: jai john on July 16, 2008, 11:39:37 AM
As a huge Milan fan I am uncertain as to this signing. Ronaldinho is a a master footballer, but is he what Milan needs. They already have Seedorf & Kaka who links midfield to attack and Pirlo who links back line to midfield and attack. Defensive midfielders they solid.
Now they are in need of defenders (no secret). They still have not solved their striker issues. So their shopping list still includes a striker (or two) and a minimum of two defenders.
Yeah but Seedorf is 19 and ...plays like it doesn't he .... Kaka needs a rest sometime ..imagine having Dinho in attack on any team. Ronaldinho on song is still, the world's best player for me ...yeah he has gone off colour for awhile and needs to reinvent himself but he is still world class. Milan got one chance to get him and they took it now he wont be playing against them and for now he is theirs ...
you know how many additional Milan shirts they will sell this year..especially when Dinho shines in the olympics ...if was Beckham everyone would have seen the commercial side of the deal but Dinho ??? ..man eh studying dat at all !!!
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on July 16, 2008, 11:50:22 AM
Yeah but Seedorf is 19
4kka young boy
I eh know he was younger than Messi and dem
Post by: fordy on July 16, 2008, 12:34:51 PM
the danny alves buy was the biggest this off season for them though!!! :beermug: :beermug:
Post by: Bitter on July 16, 2008, 01:40:45 PM
The problem with plenty of these leagues is that you have 3-4 teams with all the top players, and everyone else just waiting for somebody else to buy their top player.
A good business model? Yes.
Makes for a stronger (better) league? That depends on how you measure it.
Ronaldino at Man city would certainly, for me, be a more compelling and interesting move, than him joining A.C. Milan.
Now this is not me saying the man should give up his dreams or the payday or whatever, nor am I debating if the style of play in the EPL suited to his game. This could just as easily be a conversation about Willem II or Hertha Berlin.
Post by: FLi ! on July 16, 2008, 02:03:28 PM
when Jah Gol, Disgruntled Trini and Omarldinho posting back to back in one thread, is pressure on men intel processors.
Post by: Jah Gol on July 16, 2008, 02:24:39 PM
Post by: 7 blessings on July 16, 2008, 02:32:30 PM
But ronaldhinho have skill and talent is jus he atitude towards de game dat never impress me..i hope he doh try take de lead role away from Kaka (who is more effective as a midfielder) by bein ah ball hog like in d lass world cup, but on the good side dem go cyah double and triple team Kaka again cause dem go have to put at least two man on Dinho too...so we go see wah go happen. I hope to see a few low key buys now dat we get our "headline" signing.
Forza Milan
Post by: giggsy11 on July 16, 2008, 04:39:28 PM
Why Ronaldinho can't play for Man City?
The problem with plenty of these leagues is that you have 3-4 teams with all the top players, and everyone else just waiting for somebody else to buy their top player.
A good business model? Yes.
Makes for a stronger (better) league? That depends on how you measure it.
RonLaldino at Man city would certainly, for me, be a more compelling and interesting move, than him joining A.C. Milan.
Now this is not me saying the man should give up his dreams or the payday or whatever, nor am I debating if the style of play in the EPL suited to his game. This could just as easily be a conversation about Willem II or Hertha Berlin.
You must be a closet Man City fan. The man's brother toy with City the same way he toyed with United before he went to Barca. He has zero desire to play in the EPL! He didn't go to United then which could have offered CL and a chance to win everything aint going to City in this day and age when they have not won shite in years! The man still does care about football!
Post by: asylumseeker on July 16, 2008, 06:24:05 PM
Why Ronaldinho can't play for Man City?
The problem with plenty of these leagues is that you have 3-4 teams with all the top players, and everyone else just waiting for somebody else to buy their top player.
A good business model? Yes.
Makes for a stronger (better) league? That depends on how you measure it.
RonLaldino at Man city would certainly, for me, be a more compelling and interesting move, than him joining A.C. Milan.
Now this is not me saying the man should give up his dreams or the payday or whatever, nor am I debating if the style of play in the EPL suited to his game. This could just as easily be a conversation about Willem II or Hertha Berlin.
You must be a closet Man City fan. The man's brother toy with City the same way he toyed with United before he went to Barca. He has zero desire to play in the EPL! He didn't go to United then which could have offered CL and a chance to win everything aint going to City in this day and age when they have not won shite in years! The man still does care about football!
giggsy, it ain't as simple as toying nuh ... why pursue leverage where it is perceived not to exist or where it would be structurally useless? what would be the benefit of that.
I think the outcome of the transfer supports my claim - and part of yours with respect to City's quality with which I don't disagree. However, if yuh ask me, from Thaksin's viewpoint - although Mark Hughes is an ambitious manager with enough to support the interest in him - a different, more branded manager may have been more influential in bringing R-dinho to City ... Anyway, I think what we may find is that City is a club that's capable of punching above its weight class ... and dahis why I say City held the ingredients for a challenge. Frankly, R-dinho was likely greatly influenced by the cultural aspects/implications of moving to Manchester rather than to Milan.
I'm in agreement with Observer as to whether Milan need R-dinho ... this is a luxury signing ... izza kinda of welfare signing.
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Ronaldinho should be quite thankful that Galliano stepped in to save his ass and his public perception and his advertising contracts (that feature certain stipulations) and more.
Boca Juniors approached R-dinho at the Copa Libertadores finals. Boca would have been a fate worse than Man City. No need to speak exhaustively on the LA Galaxy offer. However, as far as the return to Brazil referenced by Disgruntled as the option R-dinho would have pursued if City was the only offer on the table, I say ... nah ... it ain't that simple. I think we may find that the uncertainty as to his future was lingering longer than many think and that it was indeed closer than many think but for Milan's intervention last week.
City appear to have put together a solid package for R-dinho. They bid 25 m quid. Milan got him for less - which in itself is instructive - and a three year contract. Not exactly inspired by full confidence. More properly viewed as brimming with expectation. They probably got it right as far as what they paid, what they'll get and whether it was worth it (hadda factor in the net derivative $$$ having him at the club brings) ...
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A move to Brazil would be a position of last resort if total rehab of the player from all possible angles was the guiding force - but Ronnie's prospects of a club career wasn't in tailspin ... it is his international future that could have been (could be) in jeopardy. The rehab wouldn't primarily be from the perspective of club/work ethic perspective ... it would have to be tied to the national team framework ... and right now in Brazil there are no such guarantees available to Ronaldinho given what's going on with mgmt there - hence, playing on the Olympic platform is a major piece of R-dinho's puzzle ... and hence I won't be surprised to discover that Milan's position is yeah - go to Beijing ...
Roberto - as a player made precipitous decisions in deciding his club future - purely by chasing the money ... as R-dinho's agent he has been careful not to repeat his own sins ... remember this is a player who came close to playing in Scotland.
Anyway, ah wonder whether a journey thru the Premier is not becoming the proving ground to stamping a mark of excellence on a player's career ... speaking in general terms here
Post by: Bianconeri on July 16, 2008, 06:49:05 PM
As ah Milan man the main reason that i happy about this buy is de fact dat dis mean dat Galliani eh goin to buy Adebayor again...cause dat was real scarin me.....adeybayor???? nah man we good...he never really impress me and one good season eh really change dat.. i woulda like to see we try for berbatov, but look like Man U. goin and do it again...but like a soldier say a few comments above me dey, we need a few defenders with yute and durability....plus we need ah keeper, why we gone take juventus back up keeper when we coulda try buy ah young prospect like that russian keeper...beats me...we coulda also look for the russian striker pavlienchenko or wtv he name is...i takin he b4 Adebayor and all..
But ronaldhinho have skill and talent is jus he atitude towards de game dat never impress me..i hope he doh try take de lead role away from Kaka (who is more effective as a midfielder) by bein ah ball hog like in d lass world cup, but on the good side dem go cyah double and triple team Kaka again cause dem go have to put at least two man on Dinho too...so we go see wah go happen. I hope to see a few low key buys now dat we get our "headline" signing.
Forza Milan
I jus had to comment on this post yes.....
the talk bout Adebayor not being up to mark and havin one good season.
I agree with that point to some extent.
He is way overpriced for one good season. English media overhypes players REAL plenty.
but adebayor did real good this yr. Plus he destroyed AC in the champ. league. especially at the San Siro. he was on FIRE!! they couldnt touch him at all....and i like AC but they REAL disappointing. They becoming the Liverpool of Italy yes!
forget bout the league around Januray...only take on d cups...
Also u mentioned AC going for Pavlyuchenko and saying Adebayor only had one good season....
But the majority of the world and almost everybody on this board must be never hear bout him b4 the Euros.....so we only really know bout him for a 2 months of football....
and if ya heard of him for qualifiers even...still less than a yr.
he still good but come on..give Adebayor a break doh mind he overpriced baddd
anyways...
and ronaldinho is a big one..but he overpriced right now....2 yrs he bonkin right now...and all that money pass??? man shouldnt live on name alone
i hope he prove ppls wrong and rip cause he is still a big player but way to inconsistent and d man need to loss that belly!
Post by: Bitter on July 17, 2008, 07:53:27 AM
Why Ronaldinho can't play for Man City?
The problem with plenty of these leagues is that you have 3-4 teams with all the top players, and everyone else just waiting for somebody else to buy their top player.
A good business model? Yes.
Makes for a stronger (better) league? That depends on how you measure it.
RonLaldino at Man city would certainly, for me, be a more compelling and interesting move, than him joining A.C. Milan.
Now this is not me saying the man should give up his dreams or the payday or whatever, nor am I debating if the style of play in the EPL suited to his game. This could just as easily be a conversation about Willem II or Hertha Berlin.
You must be a closet Man City fan. The man's brother toy with City the same way he toyed with United before he went to Barca. He has zero desire to play in the EPL! He didn't go to United then which could have offered CL and a chance to win everything aint going to City in this day and age when they have not won shite in years! The man still does care about football!
You completely miss my point there.
What I'm saying is, that discounting a move to a "small" team means that these teams will never get better, the rich get richer, Man City will always hope for a Uefa cup spot.
But maybe Ronaldino going to Hertha Berlin is the difference between fighting up for 6th/7th place and being a Title and C/L contender. Maybe we get to see another side of his game when he is the clear leader and have to carry the team.
Like I said, it's a more compelling move to me. Moving from Barca to Milan is like trading in your Rolls for a Bentley. It would be fun to find out if he could drive a Super Saloon on the North coast road with as much style.
Post by: dinho on July 17, 2008, 08:04:05 AM
but in this instance, i not sure Manchester City is the right club for a Ronaldinho to make his first foray into English football.. Knowing the player, the way he plays the gaem, the way he operates, the lifestyle he likes and also the kind of ball Man City play, I could see that easily being a monumental disaster.
You could imagine Ronaldinho struggling up with a side of rigid players playing for a manager who emphasizes hard work above everything else.. And leaving sunny Barcelona to go up in cold, foggy Manchester to boot?
I think the perfect club for him in England that would have ticked all the right boxes was Tottenham. I would have like to see that.
But i hope he rediscovers his best form for AC Milan and gets back to the superstar we know. Time to add some new content to those youtube compilations. :beermug:
Post by: asylumseeker on July 17, 2008, 08:05:51 AM
bitter i have no problem with that in principle, i'm all for the smaller teams getting a shot at glory..
but in this instance, i not sure Manchester City is the right club for a Ronaldinho to make his first foray into English football.. Knowing the player, the way he plays the gaem, the way he operates, the lifestyle he likes and also the kind of ball Man City play, I could see that easily being a monumental disaster.
You could imagine Ronaldinho struggling up with a side of rigid players playing for a manager who emphasizes hard work above everything else.. And leaving sunny Barcelona to go up in cold, foggy Manchester to boot?
I think the perfect club for him in England that would have ticked all the right boxes was Tottenham. I would have like to see that.
But i hope he rediscovers his best form for AC Milan and gets back to the superstar we know. Time to add some new content to those youtube compilations. :beermug:
perhaps another factor is that this idea was Thaksin's and not the gaffer's ...
Post by: Peong on July 17, 2008, 08:11:27 AM
Forza Milan yes
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on July 17, 2008, 08:24:20 AM
Who de ass want to play for Man City?
Forza Milan yes
Same thing I saying.
Dem going on and on, paragraph after paragraph, analysis after analysis and the simple point remains who d 4k want to play for Man City. Especially if yuh is a 2 time wold player of the year.
In the man 5 season at Barca his goal tally was - 22, 13, 25,23,9 so this free fall and loss of form is assness.
The man set the bar so high for himself that when he jes boil back down to being a regular human being all of a sudden he this, that and the third.
Leh we be realistic a man who score close to a 100 goals for a side like Barca really going and play for Man City. Come nuh man that is not even a viable option.
in other news
Hleb signs for Barcelona
(http://www.wldcup.com/pictures/wsn/0807/pic117823.jpg)
Belarus international midfielder Alexander Hleb signed for Catalan giants Barcelona from English Premiership side Arsenal for 15million euros on Wednesday on a four year contract which will see him team up again with another former Gunner in Thierry Henry.
The move could cost another 2million euros depending on the player's performances whilst should he wish to leave before his contract ends it would cost the club wishing to buy him 90million euros.
"I love this club (Barcelona)" said Hleb, who joined Arsenal from VfB Stuttgart for 11.2million pounds in 2005.
"I spoke with (coach Josep) Guardiola and it was very important for me to learn how much he wanted me.
"I will give my best for this team and I want to win everything with Barca," added Hleb, who scored 10 times in 130 Premiership appearances for Arsenal.
Hleb's departure from Arsenal follows that of fellow midfielder Frenchman Mathieu Flamini, who signed for AC Milan earlier this summer, and is likely to be followed by that of 2002 World Cup winning midfielder Gilberto Silva, who is slated for a move to Greek outfit Panathinaikos.
Arsenal have moved to fill one of those gaps by signing French international Samir Nasri from Marseille.
Barcelona - who have gone two seasons without silverware which led to Frank Rijkaard being sacked and replaced by Guardiola for this season - have sold Portuguese international Deco and on Tuesday two-time world player of the year Ronaldinho.
However, Hleb is their fifth signing of the summer, as he follows Malian Seydou Keita from FC Sevilla and three defenders, Spaniard Gerard Pique from Manchester United, Uruguay's Martin Caceres (Villarreal) and highly-rated Brazilian Daniel Alves also from Sevilla.
Post by: asylumseeker on July 17, 2008, 08:47:19 AM
Who de ass want to play for Man City?
Forza Milan yes
Same thing I saying.
Dem going on and on, paragraph after paragraph, analysis after analysis and the simple point remains who d 4k want to play for Man City. Especially if yuh is a 2 time wold player of the year.
In the man 5 season at Barca his goal tally was - 22, 13, 25,23,9 so this free fall and loss of form is assness.
The man set the bar so high for himself that when he jes boil back down to being a regular human being all of a sudden he this, that and the third.
Leh we be realistic a man who score close to a 100 goals for a side like Barca really going and play for Man City. Come nuh man that is not even a viable option.
Any thoughts then on why say Scolari didn't step into the breach and invite the player to join him @ Chelsea?
Post by: dinho on July 17, 2008, 08:50:30 AM
Who de ass want to play for Man City?
Forza Milan yes
Same thing I saying.
Dem going on and on, paragraph after paragraph, analysis after analysis and the simple point remains who d 4k want to play for Man City. Especially if yuh is a 2 time wold player of the year.
In the man 5 season at Barca his goal tally was - 22, 13, 25,23,9 so this free fall and loss of form is assness.
The man set the bar so high for himself that when he jes boil back down to being a regular human being all of a sudden he this, that and the third.
Leh we be realistic a man who score close to a 100 goals for a side like Barca really going and play for Man City. Come nuh man that is not even a viable option.
Disgruntled... Money talks..
Man City were offering 25 mil pounds (almost 10 mil more than AC), plus they was giving him a 200k pounds per week deal at Man City.
Yuh done know Ronaldinho's brother was liking he 10% cut in that.
Some men would play at Ma Pau FC for that kinda money.
Post by: Peong on July 17, 2008, 09:00:34 AM
Well, maybe when he ready to retire.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on July 17, 2008, 09:15:08 AM
Disgruntled... Money talks..
Man City were offering 25 mil pounds (almost 10 mil more than AC), plus they was giving him a 200k pounds per week deal at Man City.
Yuh done know Ronaldinho's brother was liking he 10% cut in that.
Some men would play at Ma Pau FC for that kinda money.
Not some men, MOST MEN.
But we eh talking about the run of the mill player here. You self Omar, yuh painting everybody with a broad brush. While I admit most players and managers sole motivation in any decision is money I doubt R10's move to AC was.
Why the hell he will want to play for a side, who, when we get down to it, not going and win anything and owned by a man who is a human rights violator amongst other heinous crimes.
My only problem is, Barca should've bargained for a player. They took a lower asking price and sold AC 2 players.
Where Filho, I would like to hear is opinion in all this.
Post by: Jah Gol on July 17, 2008, 08:31:41 PM
Post by: Grande on July 17, 2008, 08:38:28 PM
Presentation at the San Siro. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yex5Owl2qw)
boy it will take mih a while to get used to him in a Milan kit
(http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/81968482.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19318923626B4B920B3F44CA7EC07C027EF284831B75F48EF45)
Post by: RedDevils on July 18, 2008, 07:45:10 AM
Presentation at the San Siro. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yex5Owl2qw)
DAMN is all them people come out just for a presentation........like he will be there saviour ?
Post by: asylumseeker on July 18, 2008, 08:50:36 AM
Post by: Israel on July 18, 2008, 09:31:58 AM
Post by: mukumsplau on July 18, 2008, 09:51:29 AM
Post by: Israel on July 18, 2008, 09:57:10 AM
Post by: dinho on July 18, 2008, 09:59:40 AM
Post by: Peong on July 18, 2008, 10:02:48 AM
Why Seedorf bein such a gyul about shirt numbers?
Dat not important at all.
Is like Seedorf feelin threatened and want to run de show.
Post by: mukumsplau on July 18, 2008, 10:03:14 AM
Sissoko cah even clean Dinho boots
he wudnt need too..when sissoko dun hopefully Dinho cud find it
Post by: Israel on July 18, 2008, 10:10:34 AM
All Sissoko will see is Ronaldinho heels kickin up dirt.
Why Seedorf bein such a gyul about shirt numbers?
Dat not important at all.
Is like Seedorf feelin threatened and want to run de show.
Ah doh tink seedorf feeling threatened. He said when he came Rui Costa had the 10 and he had to wait so he just saying that Dinho hadda wait.....Zidane went Real and wore 5 so I doh think Dinho will make a scene off of a no. issue but i tink will probably step in cuz dey want their boy wearing 10.
Post by: Andre on July 18, 2008, 10:13:39 AM
http://footballfashion.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/ronaldinho-ac-milan-official-presentation-in-the-2008-09-ac-milan-adidas-home-kit-shirt/
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/91/fullj.f556eeefa3ec4499728499a6e0627b95/f556eeefa3ec4499728499a6e0627b95-getty-italy-ac_milan-ronaldhino.jpg)
Post by: Giggsy's Chestwig on July 18, 2008, 10:24:22 AM
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/strenkt/melo20crying.gif)
I think Barca made a mistake here.
Messi can't do it by himself and his very injury prone.
They've lost Deco and now Ronaldinho, and by the looks of things they want to show Eto'o the door as well.
So no attacking midfield, no flair and creativity. Granted Iniesta and Xavi there but they not in R10's class.
Jesus, I am inconsolable right now.
Thanks for the good years R10, you brought glory back to Barca, sorry to see you leave.
Don't slash you're wrists just yet.
(http://www.javno.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g2007/m02/x74133300521068208.jpg)
Judging by the extra weight he's carrying, it'll be a while before Milan get him back to something resembling his best.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 18, 2008, 10:30:06 AM
Cheers!
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on July 18, 2008, 11:16:28 AM
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/91/fullj.f556eeefa3ec4499728499a6e0627b95/f556eeefa3ec4499728499a6e0627b95-getty-italy-ac_milan-ronaldhino.jpg)
The executives and Nike are probably cringing at the site of R10 in a Adidas uniform.
Their biggest cash cow wearing their biggest rivals logo on his chest for the world to see.
Post by: 7 blessings on July 18, 2008, 11:47:04 AM
D press reports that Galliani is closing up shop with the Ronaldinho transfer, meaning that he not looking to buy no more players dem. What allyuh think bout dat boy?
We get some decent additions but i still find we shoulda get a few more players to strengthen the bench at least, and we eh even get ah keeper self! We eh really have no youth in defence for when we over 35 dem get injured or tired. Who would allyuh have liked to see come to the San Siro this season?
Post by: giggsy11 on July 18, 2008, 12:15:32 PM
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/91/fullj.f556eeefa3ec4499728499a6e0627b95/f556eeefa3ec4499728499a6e0627b95-getty-italy-ac_milan-ronaldhino.jpg)
The executives and Nike are probably cringing at the site of R10 in a Adidas uniform.
Their biggest cash cow wearing their biggest rivals logo on his chest for the world to see.
F^ck Nike!
Post by: Peong on July 18, 2008, 12:23:59 PM
Post by: dinho on July 18, 2008, 01:06:31 PM
by Jonathan Stevenson - BBC Sport (U1987325) 16 July 2008
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A38443430
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44669000/jpg/_44669466_ronaldinho203x152.jpg)
On a day when Barcelona spent 11.8m on new signing Alex Hleb, a visit to their official website on Wednesday might have left you thinking the Spanish giants were a club in mourning.
Splashed across the front page alongside two pictures of a proud and grinning Ronaldinho sporting Barca colours were the headlines 'Five unforgettable years' and 'Thank you very much'.
Ronaldinho, a Barcelona icon and the trigger for some of the most memorable times in the club's modern history, was finalising his move to AC Milan.
For all the Brazilian's troubles over the past two years, one of the world's great teams was saying farewell to one of the greatest players in its history.
As Ronaldinho flew to Italy to complete his protracted transfer, you could be forgiven for thinking that a part of the Catalan club had died.
I know that seems strong. There was a Barcelona before Ronaldinho and there will be a Barcelona at the top of European football after Ronaldinho.
But it is worth remembering just what the 28-year-old with magic in his feet and a captivating smile achieved during his extraordinary time at the Nou Camp.
When he arrived in 2003, he was the second choice of new president Joan Laporta, who had been comprehensively outmanoeuvred by Real Madrid in the battle to sign David Beckham.
With Beckham joining their fierce rivals, Barca quickly turned their attentions to PSG's controversial forward and they beat Manchester United to his signature.
Barca had only just scraped into the Uefa Cup having finished sixth in 2003 and turned to new manager Frank Rijkaard and the maverick Ronaldinho to turn around their fortunes.
Ronaldinho became the dominant presence in a city that took him to its heart
And how. With his brilliant Brazilian as the catalyst, Rijkaard presided over one of the most successful spells in the Blaugrana's history.
They did it playing a brand of football that relied on pace, passing and counter-attacking and Barca, at a time when beautiful football was becoming increasingly hard to find, were a joy to watch.
Ronaldinho became not only the team's talisman, but the dominant presence in a city that took him to its heart.
A second-placed finish in La Liga was followed by back-to-back titles and then the crowning glory of the team which included the likes of Deco and Samuel Eto'o - their Champions League triumph in 2006.
For Ronaldinho, his personal zenith took place in the cauldron of hate reserved for Barcelona footballers that is Real Madrid's Santiago Bernabeu Stadium, on the night of EL Clasico on 19 November, 2005.
For 90 minutes, Ronaldinho toyed with Real as he inspired his team to a 3-0 victory and scored two sensational solo goals - the second of which earned a standing ovation from fans of the Madrid club.
It was the first time a Barcelona player had been treated with such respect in the Bernabeu since a performance from a certain Diego Armando Maradona in 1982.
"I never thought I would see this, now I can die a happy man," said Radio Catalunya commentator Joaquim Maria Puyal at the time.
Going into the 2006 World Cup, Ronaldinho was by far and away the best footballer in the world.
Since then, the former Gremio playmaker has struggled with form and fitness and the speed of his decline meant he was left on the Barca bench several times last season even when fully fit.
More worryingly, his desire to even continue playing the game was brought into question - to the extent that there were rumours he was considering retiring from football earlier on this year.
But in joining AC Milan, Ronaldinho has given himself the best possible chance of reigniting his career and proving he still has the mental fortitude to play at the highest level.
His move has been called a gamble for the Italians and in many ways, two years since he showcased anything like his genius best form, it is.
However, if the Rossoneri get him firing on all cylinders, they have just signed a player who two years ago was seriously threatening to gatecrash Pele, Maradona et al as one of the greats of the game.
Fans of football across the globe will be wishing Ronaldinho luck as he seeks to get his career back on track.
On a Premier League note, it also means Manchester City, who were desperate to sign Ronaldinho but were realistically never going to get close, have a spare 25m to spend.
As well as further clouding the future of Arsenal striker Emmanuel Adebayor, as Milan will not now be making a move for the Togo hitman.
The reverberations of the summer's biggest transfer have only just begun.
Post by: Observer on July 21, 2008, 06:42:02 AM
to make way for Ronaldinho. Look ting
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=783007
Post by: fatimarima on July 21, 2008, 07:08:29 AM
Post by: Jah Gol on July 21, 2008, 07:26:11 AM
Post by: Jayerson on July 21, 2008, 07:29:27 AM
Post by: kicker on July 21, 2008, 07:33:12 AM
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on July 21, 2008, 07:37:12 AM
that article came from goal.com so it's validity comes into question
Post by: pardners on July 21, 2008, 08:04:46 AM
He mighta been with AC long time, but how much he worth now ?
How much they pay for him ?
How much times he win World Player of the Year ?
What NT he playing for ?
Who going to bring in the crowds this season ?
If I was in his position...I woulda say "although I am not in favour of it...I will be the bigger man and give up my #10 shirt." That mighta win him more kudos in the public and management's eyes.
Post by: dinho on July 21, 2008, 08:17:11 AM
it might sound trivial to a casual observer, but that team number scene have massive implications..
from the team perspective, what does it say that a player can come into a team and demand whichever number he chooses? it sends a statement to the rest of the squad that one player is bigger than the team, which is not good for team ethic..
from the individual perspective, sometimes a player has grown so used to a team number that he cannot envision himself playing without it and there are the mental repercussions..
I with Seedorf on this one.. Players have came to clubs at the top of their game and had to simmer down and subscribe to the team.. Ronaldo had to go with a 1+9 on his jersey when he wanted his number 9.. Beckham couldn't take the 7 off Raul back.. no player is bigger than the team.
let dinho relax heself and hold ah twenty something.
Post by: weary1969 on July 21, 2008, 08:21:23 AM
Post by: Andre on July 21, 2008, 08:34:09 AM
http://footballfashion.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/ronaldinho-will-wear-80-at-ac-milan-press-conference/
Post by: Benchwarmer on July 21, 2008, 08:41:00 AM
that team jersey number thing is ah serious ting...
it might sound trivial to a casual observer, but that team number scene have massive implications..
from the team perspective, what does it say that a player can come into a team and demand whichever number he chooses? it sends a statement to the rest of the squad that one player is bigger than the team, which is not good for team ethic..
from the individual perspective, sometimes a player has grown so used to a team number that he cannot envision himself playing without it and there are the mental repercussions..
I with Seedorf on this one.. Players have came to clubs at the top of their game and had to simmer down and subscribe to the team.. Ronaldo had to go with a 1+9 on his jersey when he wanted his number 9.. Beckham couldn't take the 7 off Raul back.. no player is bigger than the team.
let dinho relax heself and hold ah twenty something.
Number is a big thing but some players go hold they corner till it come to them.. That is what Seedorf did. He wanted 10 and Rui costa was on the side so he hold he corner.... Ronaldo, when he went to Inter wanted the 9.. He start off with 10 and finally get the 9.( Zamarano had it and they allowed him to wear a 1+8 on his back). I believe to some players, it bigger than others...
I see man in the savannah get vex if they cyah get they number.. telling coach to tell that man take off he number ..
Post by: asylumseeker on July 21, 2008, 08:53:49 AM
Post by: Tongue on July 21, 2008, 09:06:27 AM
Post by: diamondtrim on July 21, 2008, 09:08:40 AM
on d nedder hand, a big tanto is a big tanto....when a man is a big player he does get whatever # he want. Ronaldo give Zamorano a bligh for a season wid d # 10, den he show who is who when he take d #9 and had bam bam wearin d 1+8.
raul is king in real madrid so becks did know from early he had to hol he corner and know he role.
remember ballack raff a man #13 from chelsea.
even scotland used to rush d #10 when latas wasnt aroun but when d boss come back scotty had to cool it wit 20.
Big players is big players and dey does always get wha dey want.
Ah bet Ronaldinho wear 10
Post by: WARRIORKING on July 21, 2008, 10:04:43 AM
Post by: boss on July 21, 2008, 10:29:08 AM
Seedorf say he eh giving up the number 10 shirt & he not playing in a deeper role
to make way for Ronaldinho. Look ting
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=783007
No man! >:(
Post by: ttcom on July 21, 2008, 10:56:00 AM
Post by: Jah Gol on July 21, 2008, 05:31:19 PM
Look Seedorf and Ronaldinho scoring two freekicks here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgsQ_y0CE6Y)
More Training (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7p7PGBX-zM)
Post by: giggsy11 on July 21, 2008, 06:38:47 PM
Post by: freakazoid on July 21, 2008, 07:39:52 PM
Post by: Touches on July 21, 2008, 08:21:51 PM
Why yuh feel the fatboy play that final with he epileptic fit self....is nike pressure them to sweat the man.
Nike must be real vex...the whole R10 line,logo etc go be weakened.
Never know if that was a stumbling block for him transferring to another team.
Lets see if they use his pix in modelling kits. I would think his jersey will sell.
Post by: Jah Gol on July 21, 2008, 08:24:15 PM
Interesting point with regard to the branding issue.(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9494/fifa200923ew3.png)
Why yuh feel the fatboy play that final with he epileptic fit self....is nike pressure them to sweat the man.
Nike must be real vex...the whole R10 line,logo etc go be weakened.
Never know if that was a stumbling block for him transferring to another team.
Lets see if they use his pix in modelling kits. I would think his jersey will sell.
He already lose out on the EA Sports money from the cover photo on the FIFA09 box.
Nothing about the Milan move helps nike.
Post by: futbolfan on July 22, 2008, 12:03:47 AM
Post by: Diambars on July 22, 2008, 07:06:56 AM
With all this talk about squad numbers allyuh think Messi will get #10 at Barca.
Look Seedorf and Ronaldinho scoring two freekicks here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgsQ_y0CE6Y)
More Training (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7p7PGBX-zM)
Barcelona set to hand No10 shirt to Messi
July 22, 2008
Barcelona are ready to hand Lionel Messi a new shirt number.
With Ronaldinho now sold to AC Milan, Barca management are ready to hand the Brazilian's old No10 to Messi for the new season, says Sport.
Barca won't assign numbers until the end of preseason and a source said: "Nothing is decided, but Messi wearing the No10 next season seems the most natural, a circumstance that everyone assumes beyond discussion."
Post by: weary1969 on July 22, 2008, 04:44:14 PM
Post by: giggsy11 on July 22, 2008, 04:56:07 PM
He could pull a Kobe a take d number 11
WTF?
Post by: weary1969 on July 22, 2008, 05:18:31 PM
Post by: giggsy11 on July 22, 2008, 09:13:10 PM
FYI Kobeis number 24 1 more than 23 because he feel he betta than d number 23 who use 2 play 4 d bulls familiar wit dat fella
Oh, hoe. Steups, he, Kobe will never be as great as MJ! Wishfull thinking on his part! Thanks for the explaination.
Post by: weary1969 on July 22, 2008, 10:16:04 PM
Post by: Sando on July 25, 2008, 09:23:39 AM
Post by: g on July 25, 2008, 09:41:17 AM
I doubt that Ronaldinho getting any less money from Nike cause the club didn't give him the same number on his back that on his shoes....
Zamorano had to eat humble pie with 1+8 when Ronaldo moved to Inter....
Post by: Filho on July 25, 2008, 09:44:10 AM
As for what position Seedorf play. Dat is up to the coach. De man drop out Holland squad cuz he didn't like the role V basten give him, after lobbying for years to get back on the team. Is not like the man was on the bench. he want to dictate where he play for Holland. Seedorf attitude doh always appear the best. Den again, is a hard life as a baller and them fellas have to fight for every inch. Nobody eh handing yuh nutten, yuh hadda take it. Seedorf must be saying he in his 30s, so at his point he doing what he want or he will step aside..let the young bucks fight up..he trying to enjoy the few years he have left. So I see it both ways, especially as I doh really have the benefit of inside info...de article could be toots for all we now. So he could bark..so long as he willing to humble when he doh get what he wants and still give his all..either dat or ride like what he did wit Holland
Post by: STEUPS!! on July 25, 2008, 09:51:10 AM
Ronaldinho is de most over rated player in the world for the past 3 years.
same thing i've been sayin. ah really hope d bosses at ac milan allow seedorf to keep he number.
bless!!
Post by: Filho on July 25, 2008, 10:04:44 AM
Ronaldinho is de most over rated player in the world for the past 3 years.
same thing i've been sayin. ah really hope d bosses at ac milan allow seedorf to keep he number.
bless!!
you studying this hater? de man hate all things Brazilian :devil: yuh miss some classic posts. 3 seasons ago when Barca win La Liga and the Champion's League, Ronaldinho was the most overrated player ??? hmmm. 20 + goals in La Liga 2 seasons ago and the Spanish press say the man had a bad season and party too much..and the first calls to kick him out the side start to surface and he was the most overaated? And last season when every segment of press call him fat and out of shape and he ride pine, get dropped by Brazil, he was the most overrated player then too? Hmmm...allyuh good oui.
Post by: giggsy11 on July 25, 2008, 07:45:41 PM
Post by: Benchwarmer on July 25, 2008, 10:21:57 PM
FYI Kobeis number 24 1 more than 23 because he feel he betta than d number 23 who use 2 play 4 d bulls familiar wit dat fella
Where you get that shit explanation from.....steups.... That was the man fist high school number. that is why he switch to it.. steups.
Post by: weary1969 on July 25, 2008, 11:05:57 PM
Post by: dinho on November 26, 2009, 07:42:00 AM
watching the marseille and cagliari games and is the first time in years i seeing him beatsing..
look how this man get a 9 months on the line yesterday...
http://www.youtube.com/v/pniyOGyQ-84
Post by: Jah Gol on November 26, 2009, 02:12:07 PM
Post by: Kayus on November 26, 2009, 07:52:01 PM
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Post by: Kayus on November 26, 2009, 08:02:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/APg6y1wG5Ic
better.
Post by: Trinibyname on November 26, 2009, 08:46:53 PM
he need ah trim and some bracers! Before he cud easily distract opposing teams wid the donkey look... man juss had to stop for ah quick laugh... buh they get customed to it now ;)He's got the $$ for braces, so what is holding him back? He's probably just having an "off day" which every athlete has, just can't do anything right.
Barca real let meh dong the past couple games.. not only is small ron not on his game.. they seem ineffective up front with out Eto.
Post by: Trinibyname on November 26, 2009, 08:55:25 PM
What's wrong, Ronaldinho?Somehow, I've been thinking he's been told to set up the plays for other players and not necessarily try and score, which is unfortunate if that is the case.
How the best player on earth is in a so-called crisis
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/ricardo_setyon/10/24/ronaldinho.crisis/p1_ronaldinho_1023.jpg)
I've been around soccer for 26 years, and I can honestly say the best thing about it is becoming friends with the young players who become the stars of tomorrow.
I got to know Ronaldo before his fame and riches. I became close with Roberto Carlos, Sammy Kuffour, Frank Leboeuf, Mchel Salgado, ker Casillas and Javier Saviola.
But my favorite was the boy who never changed, who stayed humble through it all and still similes as wide as ever: Ronaldinho. That's why it's so hard to hear that the new king of Brazilian soccer, the two-time FIFA Player of the Year, is being called out.
Some commentators say Ronaldinho seems to be going through a dark period. So he had a miserable World Cup -- that's true. And he hasn't played well for the Brazilian national team for about a year now. Even Brazilians don't really understand why he can't display half the talent while wearing the canary and blue that he does when he wears the Barcelona jersey.
Some are saying Ronaldinho is in his "football midlife crisis," the period when a player reaches the age of 26 and fights to keep his game at the same level for his final 5-7 years of his career as a pro.
Even Ronaldinho doesn't really get it. He can't explain why the last goal he scored for Brazil was 14 games ago -- a year and four months have passed since Brazil's splendid victory over Argentina in the final of the Confederations Cup.
"It looks as if I wasn't one of the best players of last season's Champions League, and as if Barcelona won the Spanish title and all those games without me," Ronaldinho told me over the phone last week. "I think people are trying to sell papers on my back. Thank God that I have a great family, fantastic friends, a good head and top quality infrastructure and relationships at Barcelona. Without that, I think, I could get a bit disturbed -- so much criticism is coming in my direction."
To most of the world, Ronaldinho is in emergency mode. It's almost like a magic trick. He's lost a step. He can't create. He's forgotten how to score.
Some in the press say he hasn't been the same since scoring two magnificent goals last season in Barcelona's 3-0 destruction of archrival Real Madrid. But the real crisis began earlier this month, when Brazil's new tough-love head coach, Dunga, did the unthinkable: He benched Ronaldinho in a friendly against Ecuador in Stockholm.
"It was a phase, a necessary measure, to show that things at the national team aren't the same," Ronaldinho said. "I accept the bench without worries. I hope people will accept without questioning that, after I showed what I know and that I am part of that team and ready to sacrifice, I have a place among the starting XI."
Wearing No. 20, Ronaldinho entered the game in the first half and immediately changed the tempo, hitting the bar on consecutive free kicks and then setting up the game-winner to Kak, ensuring a 2-0 Brazil victory.
A few days later, Ronaldinho had two beautiful goals in Barcelona's 3-0 victory over Sevilla, and there was even talk of him winning his third straight FIFA Player of the Year award. But then the criticism resurfaced as Bara was defeated soundly by Chelsea in the Champions League last week, then was demolished 2-0 by Real Madrid last weekend.
Ronaldinho didn't play badly in either match, and actually showed flashes of his old brilliance against Real. But two games, a combined 180 minutes without a goal from the best player in the world -- that's what stands out.
"I am sad," he admitted after the defeat to Bara's old enemy. "[My teammates and I] needed to cheer each other up after the match. I have to take a new road now. To beat that psychological pressure that is straining me daily. The result was the worst possible."
Mighty Barcelona is beginning to struggle, giving up its lone hold of first place in Spain. And it appears that Ronaldinho is the fall guy. But he recognizes it all and takes it in stride. Less than 24 hours after the defeat, he was back on TV, his regular smiling self, for a Nike promotion in the Catalan capital with none other than Michael Jordan -- a guy who knows a thing or two about bouncing back.
"It seems I am the center of the situation of Bara," Ronaldinho told me. "I feel that deeply. Words are not enough now. But I will talk back, answer everyone -- friends and foes -- with the ball. I will talk back."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/ricardo_setyon/10/24/ronaldinho.crisis/ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/ricardo_setyon/10/24/ronaldinho.crisis/)
Post by: nnyman18 on November 30, 2009, 10:20:51 AM
Post by: Peong on November 30, 2009, 11:44:36 AM
De man collec it and just continue runnin!
Look like he was hopin nobody notice.
Post by: kicker on November 30, 2009, 11:57:24 AM
Post by: dinho on November 30, 2009, 12:33:39 PM
Who see de silly breed he put on a Catania man??
De man collec it and just continue runnin!
Look like he was hopin nobody notice.
Minute 1:35.. Jah gol, work yuh magic..
http://www.youtube.com/v/XLSFceXLZq0
Post by: Jah Gol on November 30, 2009, 01:00:16 PM
oh gorm !Who see de silly breed he put on a Catania man??
De man collec it and just continue runnin!
Look like he was hopin nobody notice.
Minute 1:35.. Jah gol, work yuh magic..
http://www.youtube.com/v/XLSFceXLZq0
Post by: futbolfan on December 05, 2009, 01:38:28 PM
Post by: Jah Gol on December 05, 2009, 02:39:41 PM
Post by: Peong on December 05, 2009, 09:24:52 PM
Post by: Dumplingdinho on December 05, 2009, 09:57:39 PM
Post by: Jah Gol on December 05, 2009, 11:18:57 PM
De 2nd assist was genius.Watch the replay where the defender push a foot in the wrong direction. He so confused.
Post by: 7 blessings on December 07, 2009, 08:14:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/Mes2LJcg5Tk
;D
Post by: weary1969 on December 07, 2009, 08:32:58 AM
Post by: fordy on December 07, 2009, 12:38:47 PM
Post by: Blue on December 07, 2009, 05:16:21 PM
Post by: Fantastic on December 07, 2009, 06:51:35 PM
Post by: Jah Gol on December 07, 2009, 07:15:38 PM
Post by: weary1969 on December 07, 2009, 07:50:30 PM
He was 19 then.
A grudge iz a grudge iz a grudge.
Post by: dinho on December 07, 2009, 09:41:44 PM
Post by: Zeppo on December 12, 2009, 07:20:17 AM
Ronaldinho credits Leonardo with his return to form at Milan. 'I'm back to the player I was, in fact probably better."
This week the Brazilian was voted Player of the Decade by World Soccer magazine, though many believed he was past it when leaving Barcelona and having a poor first season in Serie A.
"I'm back to the player I was, in fact probably better," he told the Corriere dello Sport.
(continue) (http://www.football-italia.net/dec12d.html)
Post by: Mock de Dread on March 02, 2010, 07:40:36 PM
"Overall, Brazil showed enough in the second half to suggest they are moving in the right direction ahead of their latest brush with destiny, but Dunga dropped something of a bombshell as he appeared to close the door on Ronaldinho's return to the national team ahead of the World Cup.
"Ronaldinho has had his chance to show what he can do on the pitch, but the decisions over this group have been made now and I am happy with what we have," Dunga said.
Post by: richpy on March 02, 2010, 08:02:17 PM
Post by: FF on March 02, 2010, 08:18:58 PM
Apparently he holding grudge since as a 36 year old winding down he career ah 19 yr old Ronnie make him shame
See here
:devil:
http://www.youtube.com/v/EBQ8woVvc4w
Post by: Deeks on March 02, 2010, 09:14:05 PM
Post by: judge101 on March 02, 2010, 10:07:31 PM
Post by: soccerman on March 02, 2010, 10:52:19 PM
Post by: dinho on March 02, 2010, 11:04:14 PM
Post by: kicker on March 02, 2010, 11:38:49 PM
if this happen it would be the absolute worst decision since Scolari leave out Romario from the side (and yes i know they win it but still).
It wasn't Scolari that left out Romario. It was Zagallo...and they didn't win....so yuh point is still valid.
Post by: Blue on March 03, 2010, 02:37:42 AM
Post by: Mock de Dread on March 03, 2010, 04:11:04 AM
Nice clip how ever its not the real reason,
i have the real clip of why dunga hates ronnie, however i cant show it on this site
Hint " it depicts dungas wife in a rampingshop position with ronnie" lol
ent free john terry!!!! but eng yuh book arse still cut.........
Post by: Brownsugar on March 03, 2010, 04:46:27 AM
Post by: lefty on March 03, 2010, 04:57:24 AM
FF
Nice clip how ever its not the real reason,
i have the real clip of why dunga hates ronnie, however i cant show it on this site
Hint " it depicts dungas wife in a rampingshop position with ronnie" lol
ent free john terry!!!! but eng yuh book arse still cut.........
doh make joke wit serious ting nah man >:( ...... you real or u kicksin ???
Post by: sjahrain on March 03, 2010, 05:05:10 AM
Where is your head man,I hope its not where the sun does not shine... :devil:
Ronnie is a no brainer,he should the first person selected for the Samba boys
If he`s not selected the beaautiful is game is no more
Post by: Jah Gol on March 03, 2010, 07:11:16 AM
Post by: fordy on March 03, 2010, 08:42:04 AM
You can add Clarence to that statement too! :beermug:
Post by: Bourbon on March 03, 2010, 08:52:38 AM
Post by: dinho on March 03, 2010, 09:36:05 AM
New-look Brazil go back to basics
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47402000/jpg/_47402401_dunga.jpg)
Dunga
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8544940.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8544940.stm)
Brazil coach Dunga has total faith in his approach ahead of the 2010 World Cup
By Sam Lyon
BBC Sport at the Emirates
Think of the greats of Brazilian football and you will probably come up with Pele, Garrincha, Rivelino, Socrates - players full of flair, skill and vision. In short, geniuses.
The name of Dunga, however, wouldn't necessarily be on the tip of your tongue. A nuggety defensive midfielder who cut his teeth in Italian football and prizes tactics above flamboyance does not quite fit the Brazilian stereotype.
But while Dunga, who captained Brazil to victory at the 1994 World Cup, might have flown under the radar as a player to some extent, there is no danger of him doing so as a manager.
For now, as head coach of the national side, he is playing a lead role in formulating a new brand of Brazilian football, one that in many ways is shaped in his own image.
And the critics back in his home country are not amused.
Since his appointment in July 2006, the 46-year-old has led Brazil to the 2007 Copa America, the 2009 Confederations Cup and comfortable qualification for this year's World Cup.
His record reads 36 wins from 53 matches, and 43 from 61 if you include the 2008 Olympics campaign - a win percentage of 75.4.
But that is not enough. Not in a country that epitomises all that is glorious and glamorous about the game of football.
The accusation is that Dunga is too pragmatic. Too keen to put the result first and the performance second. Substance over style.
And for a country that has won the greatest prize of them all on five occasions and has also given the world Jairzinho, Zico, Romario and Ronaldo, that is unacceptable.
His selection of the defensive-minded Felipe Melo and Gilberto Silva in central midfield is considered anti-football. His insistence that Robinho, Kaka and Adriano track back as well as attack baffles the average Brazilian fan. The continued absence from his squad of Ronaldinho has been attacked from all angles by his country's press.
Even German legend Franz Beckenbauer weighed into the debate in December, stating: "I don't know this Brazil. I don't like the style. Sorry, Brazil is (about) offense and scoring goals, not controlled soccer."
And now, it would appear, Dunga's patience has worn thin.
He has already announced he will step down as Brazil coach, however far his side gets in South Africa this summer.
And meet the man up close and his frustration at having to answer to the media is hardly disguised. In a room packed full of Brazilian journalists in town for the friendly against the Republic of Ireland, Dunga bristles as the questions rain in, constantly rolling his eyes, sweeping his hair back or sighing deeply.
Kaka
Kaka is not yet at his brilliant best
Why have you not selected Ronaldinho? "Everyone always wants to talk about players who are not here. You need to respect the players that are here," he snaps.
How do you deal with the pressure of coaching Brazil? "It's normal that everybody speculates on what could happen. But I need to see what actually will happen. Pressure has always been the story of Brazil. It doesn't give you any advantage or any lack of it. It's something that happens and you have to live with it," he replies.
What do you say to those who do not like your coaching style? "Some people say I'm arrogant but that's not true. Most players in Brazil are talented players. But we don't live on talent. We live on results," he says forcefully.
It is that final philosophy that upsets his critics so much.
It is an approach that he has engineered - publicly - from the start of his reign.
"Talent is extremely important but it has to be united with other things, history shows this," he said at the time of his appointment. "Brazil have often had players of quality but haven't got the results. The national team is not only about skill any more; it's about competitiveness and commitment."
And he makes no apologies for it nearly four years later.
An open training session at the Emirates Stadium on Monday provided an interesting insight into the workings of the Brazilian.
Only so much can be concluded from such a session, of course - why would any side wish to reveal their inner-most secrets and methods with the world's media watching? - but it was still noteworthy that Dunga employed a watching brief, his lieutenants running the drills.
The 2006 side lacked a bit of collective spirit. When the group is solid, individual talent tips the balance. But when there is no collectiveness, then individualism goes down the drain together with the group
And whereas you might imagine previous Brazil sides flicking the ball around with aplomb, Dunga ran through endless set-pieces. When a 20-minute match took place at the end, it was 11-a-side on half a pitch, with only two touches allowed and the emphasis on pass and move and closing down the opposition.
In Brazil, some have called it "killing creativity", but on this evidence it is more about enhanced preparation.
Few can argue his approach has not bred results much improved from the embarrassment felt among Brazil fans after the 2006 World Cup, when they were knocked out at the quarter-final stage.
And at a time when Brazil are hardly brimming with the wealth of top-class stars of previous vintages, Dunga is leading from from the front in exactly the way modern football demands: marrying flair with function.
Brazil's 2-0 friendly win over Ireland on Tuesday typified Dunga's approach.
A sluggish start against the Irish at the Emirates Stadium was still notable for the Brazilian players' application, closing the opposition down high up the pitch and squeezing two lines of four in defence. Even Adriano, the striker who disappointed so badly in 2006, broke into a sprint back towards his own goal every now and then.
Still, Ireland had the odd glimpse at goal and, for the first 40 minutes, Brazil were very disappointing going forward. On that evidence alone it would have been easy to understand the supporters' frustration with Dunga's philosophy.
But then they took the lead - albeit fortuitously - and in the second half they barely allowed Ireland a touch of the ball.
Robinho, king of the stepover, was their tormentor in chief. Maicon, bombing forward, underlined why he is regarded as one of the best attacking full-backs in world football. Michel Bastos supplemented attacks on the left at every opportunity, while Kaka - though far from his best - stalked the pitch at will, full of intent. When the Real Madrid playmaker returns to top form, and you can bet it will be at the World Cup, he could be unplayable.
And that is Dunga's point.
Robinho
Robinho scored a superb second goal against Ireland at the Emirates
Yes, he has instilled a work ethic in the side that was barely recognisable in some previous Brazil sides - most notably the one that slumped four years ago. And yes he expects even his most flamboyant players to do their bit defensively and to keep the shape of the team.
He has not, however, totally robbed the team of their Samba magic. In attack, Kaka, Robinho and, when they play, the likes of Dani Alves, Elano, Nilmar and Luis Fabiano, have the freedom of the pitch to express themselves, to pull out of position and create something, to torment defenders as they see fit.
When Robinho popped up to sweep home Brazil's second goal at the Emirates, it was on the back of a 22-pass move, full of one-touch football, mesmerising movement and even the odd back-heel.
"Everything is almost clear for us," said the coach after the match. "And we have different options depending on how we need to play."
The flamboyance is still very much in effect. But with the ethic of the team now much improved and an awareness of their defensive responsibilities in place throughout the team, Brazil appear able to execute whatever gameplan is necessary to win.
As Dunga remarked about the 2006 Brazil generation: "They lacked a bit of collective spirit. When the group is solid, individual talent tips the balance. But when there is no collectiveness, then individualism goes down the drain together with the group."
The preparations are not yet complete and there are certainly creases to be ironed out in the coming weeks.
But if Brazil do fail to win the World Cup for a staggering sixth time this year, it will not be down to a lack of preparation, a losing philosophy or even a suffocation of the Samba magic.
Dunga will see to that.
Post by: KND2 on March 03, 2010, 09:38:34 AM
if I was the coach I will put him on the squad. If Robhino get hurt or playing shit Ronaldhino is a great replacement.
Brazil winning either way
Post by: Observer on March 03, 2010, 10:28:10 AM
if this happen it would be the absolute worst decision since Scolari leave out Romario from the side (and yes i know they win it but still).
It wasn't Scolari that left out Romario. It was Zagallo...and they didn't win....so yuh point is still valid.
actually both of allyuh technically right. Zagallo picked Romario and then dropped him due to a calf injury. Scolari refused to pick Romario and made it clear he will not be going
Post by: kicker on March 03, 2010, 10:46:32 AM
if this happen it would be the absolute worst decision since Scolari leave out Romario from the side (and yes i know they win it but still).
It wasn't Scolari that left out Romario. It was Zagallo...and they didn't win....so yuh point is still valid.
actually both of allyuh technically right. Zagallo picked Romario and then dropped him due to a calf injury. Scolari refused to pick Romario and made it clear he will not be going
True- good shout. Didn't seem like that much of an apalling decision to leave him out of WC 2002 though- he was 36 and speculative. He was an option, but I don't remember people kicking up too much of a fuss about his non selection then...Ronaldo, Rivaldo & Ronaldinho was the tridente of that era to my memory...
In WC 1998 though he was firing on all cylinders pairing up top with Ronaldo, and despite his injury critics were outraged at his non-selection...It was the "talk of the town" so to speak....He cried at his public press conference after not being selected by Zagallo...more comparable to the present day Ronaldinho scenario so I thought Dinho was remembering that but mixing up the years.
Anyway.....
Post by: nnyman18 on March 03, 2010, 10:50:13 AM
Maicon Lucio Juan Andre Santos
Gilberto Silver Dani Alves
Kaka
Robinho Fabiano Ronaldiho
Post by: lefty on March 03, 2010, 11:09:53 AM
Post by: Deeks on March 03, 2010, 11:14:01 AM
Post by: Jah Gol on March 03, 2010, 11:15:07 AM
Post by: dinho on March 03, 2010, 11:20:56 AM
Maicon Lucio Juan Dani Alves
Melo G. Silva
Nilmar Kaka Ronaldinho
Luis Fabiano
.... But FORZA ITALIA :devil: :devil: :devil:
Post by: Jah Gol on March 03, 2010, 11:25:48 AM
Julio CesarThat backline is identical to my mine on FIFA 10. Dani Alves at LB too.
Maicon Lucio Juan Dani Alves
Melo G. Silva
Nilmar Kaka Ronaldinho
Luis Fabiano
.... But FORZA ITALIA :devil: :devil: :devil:
Post by: kicker on March 03, 2010, 11:27:31 AM
Julio Cesar
Maicon Lucio Juan Dani Alves
Melo G. Silva
Nilmar Kaka Ronaldinho
Luis Fabiano
.... But FORZA ITALIA :devil: :devil: :devil:
If Alves is comfortable attacking (and defending) down the left side, that's pretty much it there except across the middle I would have Kaka, Ronaldinho and Robinho...let Nilmar be the first man off the bench.
Post by: kicker on March 03, 2010, 11:31:46 AM
Robinho is not better than Ronaldinho. Its sad that I even have to write that. Furthermore what can Robinho do defensively beside run and make the same number of bad tackles Ronaldinho makes. Let Melo and Silva do that dog work.
Can't disagree that Ronaldinho is a more quality player than Robinho- no question about that...but I disagree that they offer the same defensively. Robinho harasses defensively, and wins the ball back...he also tracks back and clogs channels defending is not just tackling.... Except for some rare instances that I've seen from time to time, Ronaldinho is pretty much a non factor when the other team has the ball.
Post by: Observer on March 03, 2010, 11:37:48 AM
Just on a side note: For all those who talking about Brazil lacking Samba.In 2006 WC that was one of the least Samba like Brazilian performance, yet the samba squad had Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Adriano, and Kaka, with Robinho coming off the bench.
Post by: kicker on March 03, 2010, 11:51:12 AM
Just on a side note: For all those who talking about Brazil lacking Samba.In 2006 WC that was one of the least Samba like Brazilian performance, yet the samba squad had Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Adriano, and Kaka, with Robinho coming off the bench.
Cheers to that!! Yuh take the words out of my mouth....
I was about to say that in another thread but deleted. That Brazil 2006 WC side was probably the most disappointing Brazilian side I've seen in my lifetime including the team from Italia '90. Boring, static, disjointed, over the hill in some cases and terrible. They didn't lose pretty, they lost ugly. The one game they performed well was against Japan because they brought in the young guys on the flanks Cicinho and Gilberto (not Gilberto Silva)....Ronaldinho actually played well in that game because he had movement up and down the flanks creating room for himself to play. R. Carlos & Cafu were such busts. They were static and useless... As bad as Adriano was and as lazy as Ronaldo played, the mistake Parreira made in WC 2006 was playing Cafu & R. Carlos on the flanks- those guys were way past their shelf life on the international stage...and alot of the Brazilian attack in that team relied on their work rate going forward creating width and options.
Post by: nnyman18 on March 03, 2010, 11:57:54 AM
Post by: Observer on March 03, 2010, 12:23:01 PM
Just on a side note: For all those who talking about Brazil lacking Samba.In 2006 WC that was one of the least Samba like Brazilian performance, yet the samba squad had Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Adriano, and Kaka, with Robinho coming off the bench.
Cheers to that!! Yuh take the words out of my mouth....
I was about to say that in another thread but deleted. That Brazil 2006 WC side was probably the most disappointing Brazilian side I've seen in my lifetime including the team from Italia '90. Boring, static, disjointed, over the hill in some cases and terrible. They didn't lose pretty, they lost ugly. The one game they performed well was against Japan because they brought in the young guys on the flanks Cicinho and Gilberto (not Gilberto Silva)....Ronaldinho actually played well in that game because he had movement up and down the flanks creating room for himself to play. R. Carlos & Cafu were such busts. They were static and useless... As bad as Adriano was and as lazy as Ronaldo played, the mistake Parreira made in WC 2006 was playing Cafu & R. Carlos on the flanks- those guys were way past their shelf life on the international stage...and alot of the Brazilian attack in that team relied on their work rate going forward creating width and options.
Pato got injured in the Milan game. More than likely he will be on the 22.
With Marcelo and Bastos to play in the left back position, I can't see Dunga going for Alves on the left (though he has played as a sub coming on in that position). I like Alves as a Right midfielder much more than I like Ramires. Alves and Maicon on the right side together will force Teams to have extra cover down that side to stop the raid. This will free up space for Kaka to operate and with Fabiano lurking Brazil in the air and on the ground will be frightening. Somehow I get the feeling Dunga not showing that card on purpose. Small dose to see how it will work but nothing more.
Post by: richpy on March 03, 2010, 06:30:11 PM
Until then, I really can't argue with the results.
...But...Dunga taking it to a whole new level.
All I seeing from Brazil is "keep enough possession, then counter-attack". Ah mean, for a whole 90 mins, come nah man.
One question: Between Maradona, Zidane, Ronaldinho, Pele, etc, which one used to track back? Yuh have to leave these men to do what they do best.
Post by: elan on March 03, 2010, 07:20:08 PM
FIFA struggling to get infrastructure in place so they will need as much distraction on the field as possible.
Ronaldinho will be on show in SA.
Post by: saga pinto on March 03, 2010, 08:48:42 PM
Post by: FF on March 03, 2010, 09:03:17 PM
Quote from: saga pinto link=topic=48453.msg645593#msg645593 da=1267670922
USA winning the world cup ......
Seek help.. we all care about you and concerned for your well-being...
Post by: Madd Ras#13 on March 04, 2010, 01:42:23 PM
on ah side not: even de woman n dem was dissapointin once setta outta shape who lookin square who have pot belly steups waste ah 42...p.s. it had one two fit nice women but de majourity failed
Post by: g on March 04, 2010, 04:16:50 PM
Xavi and Iniesta over Silva and Melo anyday
Any team that have fabregas coming off the bench is just too strong
and i've been a Brazil fan forever, they win but they are just not fun to watch anymore.
Post by: kicker on March 04, 2010, 04:59:16 PM
Sad to say but when i want to watch Joga Bonito the first option is to watch Spain
Xavi and Iniesta over Silva and Melo anyday
Any team that have fabregas coming off the bench is just too strong
and i've been a Brazil fan forever, they win but they are just not fun to watch anymore.
They still more fun to watch than Spain.
Post by: Deeks on March 04, 2010, 05:16:51 PM
Post by: Deeks on March 04, 2010, 05:18:26 PM
Post by: Observer on March 04, 2010, 05:23:56 PM
Sad to say but when i want to watch Joga Bonito the first option is to watch Spain
Xavi and Iniesta over Silva and Melo anyday
Any team that have fabregas coming off the bench is just too strong
and i've been a Brazil fan forever, they win but they are just not fun to watch anymore.
They still more fun to watch than Spain.
Kicker I eh really think you believe that. I feel is a little Real bias dey as most of the players for Spain are Barca ;D
There was a time when Beautiful football belonged to Brazil, Holland, France, Spain. However, people start saying oh they pretty but they not winning nutten. As they say "be careful what yuh wish for". Now these teams winning, through efficiency but the very little sparkle, every now and then we see a glimmer (Brazil second goals versus NI).
Me I love football that have imagination and flair, Brazil 82 still dear to me. Now almost all teams look like a combination of Italy & Germany (of the past). Spain carrying a torch. Lets hope this WC bring back some sparkle and fantasy to our hearts.
Post by: Mock de Dread on March 04, 2010, 05:36:50 PM
USA winning the world cup ......
i dont think he finished his sentance, he probably meant world cup tennis or sumptin
Post by: kicker on March 05, 2010, 12:36:49 PM
Kicker I eh really think you believe that. I feel is a little Real bias dey as most of the players for Spain are Barca ;D
There was a time when Beautiful football belonged to Brazil, Holland, France, Spain. However, people start saying oh they pretty but they not winning nutten. As they say "be careful what yuh wish for". Now these teams winning, through efficiency but the very little sparkle, every now and then we see a glimmer (Brazil second goals versus NI).
Me I love football that have imagination and flair, Brazil 82 still dear to me. Now almost all teams look like a combination of Italy & Germany (of the past). Spain carrying a torch. Lets hope this WC bring back some sparkle and fantasy to our hearts.
haha ;D yuh call meh out!! :beermug:
Seriously I agree Spain is a classy team which is full of quality, but as far as being pleasing on the eye I'm not that sold. I think Xavi & Iniesta are more genius for Barca than they are for Spain. I think they are a neat team that moves the ball alot and they keep it on the ground but their real strength is in the horses up top (Torres & Villa), not in their stylishness or creativity. I admit that I haven't seen as much of the Del Bosque Era post Euro 2008. Despite winning it, I don't think they were that exciting to watch in Euro 2008, and from what I saw in the Confed Cup last Summer I wasn't blown away as far as stylishness goes either. They have a midfield that can possess the ball like no other, and they have 2 deadly forwards up front. But Long spells of possession alone is not style to me. Spain also has a tendency to play at one pace without varying the depth of passing... To me Brazil is still less predictable and more dynamic, and they change the pace of the game from walking to sprinting in one move, they mix up the short passing with the long balls, the possesion with the individual flair and of course they implement the ridiculously quick counter attack (which is a skill in itself)....and even at their least creative Brazil still gets the spectators off their feet with more flicks, tricks, no-looks and step-overs than any other team in the game....
I compare Spain v USA and Brazil v USA in the confed cup last Summer, and under all the ole talk about Spain being the most creative team on the planet, when Spain was down a goal they were void of ideas, they never lifted the tempo, they came down the flanks in the same way over and over and over and over.... they were limited to mostly shots from outside the 18 and didn't stretch the U.S. backline much and ultimately never scored...as opposed to Brazil who opened the U.S. up left, right & center and ran them ragged in order to grab 3 goals back in the final. I think the difference is the standard to which Brazil is held. Modern day Brazil can be a frustrating team to watch especially when a game is cagey because they don't have the creative midfielders who will get 20 touches on the ball and move it around like generals...but when the game opens up a bit, they will slice and dice a defense with more speed, skill and imagination than I've seen Spain do it so far.
That said either team could light it up this Summer and win it all....
Post by: nnyman18 on March 05, 2010, 01:32:36 PM
At the end of the day all of us know you don't get style points in football. I understand that sometimes we all want to see ball circulation and 8,9 passes put together in the final third. The first goal against Ireland had 3-4 passes leading up to the goal. The 2nd goal had 6-7 passes leading up to the goal. There will never be another Brazilian 1982 team.Brazil football was forever changed with Pareirra leading up to the 1994 World Cup. Remember before he took over the beautiful game brought them no trophies in 5 world cups. From 1994 till 2006. How many have they won and how many finals have they played in. At the end of the day its all good. As long as they win this summer I good yes 8)
Post by: palos on March 05, 2010, 02:22:47 PM
There will never be another Brazilian 1982 team.
To the eternal detriment of the game.
Post by: Conquering Lion on March 05, 2010, 10:58:34 PM
too much space between gilberto and silver...... I now goin an' aks u what kinda coach does put twelve man on d field :-[.............good line up doh
That is exactly what Dunga working on...If Gilberto and Silva lose formation we in trouble ;D
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on March 05, 2010, 11:45:05 PM
Post by: Dumplingdinho on March 06, 2010, 10:24:36 AM
BM here///ah broke and ah taking allyuh money now....Spain not winning no facking world cup...not even close...and ah real need some money...talk to meh
i on the same beat...i even contemplating betting men that spain reaching no further than quarterfinals but that will depend on how much people take my bet that spain not winning the world cup.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on March 06, 2010, 11:19:59 PM
Post by: palos on March 07, 2010, 01:11:13 AM
BM here///ah broke and ah taking allyuh money now....Spain not winning no facking world cup...not even close...and ah real need some money...talk to meh
Put yuh money where yuh mout is.
Spain AND Brazil reachin further in dis world cup than yuh beloved england.
Yuh have faith in yuh squad? 8)
Post by: lefty on March 07, 2010, 06:11:12 AM
too much space between gilberto and silver...... I now goin an' aks u what kinda coach does put twelve man on d field :-[.............good line up doh
That is exactly what Dunga working on...If Gilberto and Silva lose formation we in trouble ;D
:rotfl: :beermug:
Post by: Dumplingdinho on March 07, 2010, 04:33:36 PM
BM here...and Brazil going home early too >>>ANY MONEY ???
BM...i taking yuh money as well... ;D
i hope u dont think England winning.
Post by: Controversial on March 07, 2010, 06:03:38 PM
Post by: Big Magician on March 07, 2010, 06:57:13 PM
de bet is spain and brazil not winning de world cup,,,, frig...dais 2 big favorites dey... ah real gambling...lol
and to tell yuh de truth.. i now reading de thread and see i post dat... i clean forget that...real drunk man post...lol.. but they say de truth does come out... hold on...it happening again
Post by: kicker on March 07, 2010, 07:06:16 PM
England ???.. i doh back england ... allyuh doh even know who i support after tnt...
de bet is spain and brazil not winning de world cup,,,, frig...dais 2 big favorites dey... ah real gambling...lol
and to tell yuh de truth.. i now reading de thread and see i post dat... i clean forget that...real drunk man post...lol.. but they say de truth does come out... hold on...it happening again
BM is Germany man....Santa Cruz man first, Germany man second....... :beermug:
Post by: Dumplingdinho on March 07, 2010, 07:08:42 PM
Marcos Braz told a local radio station the reason Adriano is temporarily out of the team is because he began drinking again following a personal problem.
When he starts drinking, he cant stop, Braz told Radio Bandeirantes. He had overcome this, but it started again because of this personal situation he is going through.
The Brazil forward did not show up for training Friday and local media widely reported that he got into an altercation with his girlfriend at a party in a shantytown.
http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=ap-flamengo-adrianoout&prov=ap&type=lgns
Dunga rather take ah drunkard to the world cup...i hope he realise nilmar is a much better player than this troubled fellah.
Post by: College on March 07, 2010, 07:09:45 PM
England ???.. i doh back england ... allyuh doh even know who i support after tnt...de bet is spain and brazil not winning de world cup,,,, frig...dais 2 big favorites dey... ah real gambling...lol
and to tell yuh de truth.. i now reading de thread and see i post dat... i clean forget that...real drunk man post...lol.. but they say de truth does come out... hold on...it happening again
BM is Germany man....Santa Cruz man first, Germany man second....... :beermug:
Germany
Post by: Tallman on March 07, 2010, 08:05:02 PM
England ???.. i doh back england ... allyuh doh even know who i support after tnt...
de bet is spain and brazil not winning de world cup,,,, frig...dais 2 big favorites dey... ah real gambling...lol
and to tell yuh de truth.. i now reading de thread and see i post dat... i clean forget that...real drunk man post...lol.. but they say de truth does come out... hold on...it happening again
BM is Germany man....Santa Cruz man first, Germany man second....... :beermug:
Nah, nah, nah. Is Mod Sec first.
But wait nah, somehow Mod Sec and first doh belong in de same sentence :devil:
Post by: nnyman18 on March 07, 2010, 09:23:06 PM
Post by: Bourbon on March 07, 2010, 10:50:30 PM
SAO PAULO (AP)A Flamengo club director said Sunday that Brazil striker Adriano has a drinking problem.
Marcos Braz told a local radio station the reason Adriano is temporarily out of the team is because he began drinking again following a personal problem.
When he starts drinking, he cant stop, Braz told Radio Bandeirantes. He had overcome this, but it started again because of this personal situation he is going through.
The Brazil forward did not show up for training Friday and local media widely reported that he got into an altercation with his girlfriend at a party in a shantytown.
http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=ap-flamengo-adrianoout&prov=ap&type=lgns
Dunga rather take ah drunkard to the world cup...i hope he realise nilmar is a much better player than this troubled fellah.
If de man want to carry Ravi B to de world cup rather than pato and ronaldinho...den...he could do dat. He's de coach..is he prerogative.
Dat eh to say i go agree with his prerogative.
Post by: morvant on March 08, 2010, 04:25:40 AM
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on March 08, 2010, 06:58:31 AM
Ravi b is ah left footer but he doh trackback
He have a wicked bullet to eh.
Post by: 1-868 on March 24, 2010, 12:05:58 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/football/03/24/messi.beckham.rich.list/
(CNN) -- Lionel Messi has replaced David Beckham as the best-paid player in world football, according to France Football magazine's annual "rich list".
Beckham has topped the list for the last two years, but World Player of the Year Messi is now the highest earner.
The Barcelona star has estimated annual earnings of 33 million ($44.1m) with Beckham left trailing on 30.4 million ($40.64m).
Beckham suffered World Cup heartbreak when rupturing his Achilles tendon while on loan at AC Milan from Los Angeles Galaxy, dashing his hopes of appearing in the finals for the fourth time with England.
Blog: Is Messi better than Maradona ?
He has suffered a slight drop in income compared to 2009, partly due to the falling value of the dollar, but Beckham has been in the top two of the list for the past nine years to show his enduring appeal.
Messi, in outstanding form for reigning Spanish and European champions with successive La Liga hat-tricks, boosted his earnings through bonuses as Barcelona did the treble last year under Pep Guardiola.
According to France Football, Messi's annual wage is made up of a 10 million ($13.36m) basic salary, 4 million ($5.36m) in bonuses and 19 million ($25.4m) from endorsements and sponsorships, which include Adidas, Pepsi Cola and Gillette.
Messi's predecessor as World Player of the Year, Real Madrid's Cristiano Ronaldo is a close third in the list on 30 million ($40.08m) but there is a big gap to the fourth-placed player, Ronaldo's teammate Kaka on 18.8 million ($25.11m).
Thierry Henry, Ronaldinho, Carlos Tevez, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Frank Lampard and Samuel Eto'o make up the rest of the top 10.
Inter Milan's Jose Mourinho tops the manager's rich list with 13 million ($17.36 m) ahead of Manchester City boss Roberto Mancini on 12 million ($16.02m).
Post by: triniairman on May 03, 2010, 09:56:05 AM
So clandestine was Javier Hernandezs 10 million move to Manchester United that the Mexico striker kept it secret from his family and girlfriend for a whole week.
Sir Alex Ferguson was eager that his move for Hernandez would not get hijacked by one of the big Spanish clubs and demanded that the surprise transfer be conducted with complete discretion. Even the players agent was left in the dark about Manchester Uniteds interest.
Tomas Balcazar, Hernadezs grandfather and Mexico international who played in the 1954 World Cup, was told he was going on a trip to Atlanta in the United States only to discover the day before that the real destination was Old Trafford
Hernandez and his family were entertained at the Bayern Munich game before meeting Ferguson properly the following day.
Ferguson wanted to meet with us so me and my family went to have lunch with him, Hernandez said. I know why hes been able to be so successful because he is just a really straightforward person.
"Hes an extraordinary man - he makes such an impact on you and it is not just because of his accomplishments but because of the kind of person he is. We talked about football, he told us a few stories you know, but otherwise we did not talk about much. He just wanted to meet my family and me and get to know us a bit.
I was at the game at Old Trafford on Wednesday and I think that the whole atmosphere, the way the fans express themselves, the way the country lives for footballit is very hard to describe. I just wanted to jump on to the pitch and start playing. The support is amazing, whether the team is winning or losing, and, the quality of the players and the league is well known.
Football in England is more developed than it is in Mexico and the culture of the country means that the football is more about playing fair and honestly. Everyone is doing their best to make sure you get good football on the pitch. I like that.
Uniteds scouting network first came across Hernandez, who is known as El Chicharito (the little pea: his dad, also Javier Hernandez and a Mexico international, was known as El Chicaro, the pea), when he was playing for the Mexico Under 17 side five years ago.
Last September, however, a former Mexican international footballer called Marco Garces returned to his homeland having spent four years studying for a sports science degree at Liverpool John Moores University.
During his time in England, Garces became friends with United chief scout Jim Lawlor. Garces, who now works for Pachucas academy, was asked by Lawlor to recommend Mexican players to him and he suggested coming out to watch Hernandez.
United sent a scout out to watch him in December before Lawlor himself visited Mexico for three weeks in February and March, to make an in-depth assessment.
Hernandez speaks good English and studies for a degree in business administration in his spare time, so there were no issues with his character.
Lawlor watched him in two Chivas games, but it was his goal-scoring performance in Mexicos 2-0 friendly win over New Zealand on March 3 that convinced Lawlor of Hernandezs capability to reach the levels demanded by United.
"Jim filed a fantastic report on the boy, so last week we sent our club solicitor over there with Jim to do the deal. We're delighted to sign him, Ferguson said.
United dealt directly with Chivas club president Rafael Lebrija, stressing the need for discretion and, as part of the deal, have promised to play a friendly to mark the opening of Chivas new stadium this summer. The secrecy of the deal only added to the thrill for Hernandez.
I got goose-bumps when I realized I would be joining Manchester United, he said. These are the things you dream about. I longed for a move to Europe when I was a kid watching lots of football on tv.
"Im just full of gratitude to everyone who helped me accomplish this. Suddenly Im going to be playing with the players I know from PlayStation and television. Im living in a dream. I thank God that I am living it.
Hernandez becomes a United player in July 1, when he hopes to still be involved at the World Cup in South Africa.
Having scored 10 goals in eight games for his club and four in four for his country, there are great expectations for Hernandez at the finals. If he succeeds there, the expectations will shift to Old Trafford.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/manutd/7578217/Javier-Hernandez-aka-El-Chicharito-living-the-Manchester-United-dream.html
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on May 03, 2010, 11:32:47 AM
In's:
Luka Modric and Gareth Bale- Spurs
David Villa- Valencia
James Milner- Aston Villa
Karim Benzema- Real Madrid
Edin Dzeko- Woflsburg
Jack Rodwell- Everton
Maicon- Inter Milan
Stephen Ireland and Micah Richards-Man City
Sergio Caneles- Racing Santander
Steven Defour- Standard Liege
Angel Di Maria- Benfica
Manuel Neur- Shalke
Hugo Lloris- Lyon
Out's:
Dimitar Berbatov- Bayern,AC Milan
Michael Carrick- Tottenham,Aston Villa
Ben Foster
Wes Brown
All Speculation
I'd take Modric,Bale and Villa...If we get a striker then I reckon Berba's gone but I think Fergie may keep him and possibly play 4-4-2 next season because Nani and Valencia are two natural wingers and with Bale he could play LW and also be cover for Evra at LB...
Modric to be the Scholes replacement alongside Fletcher with Hargreaves,Scholes,Anderson and Gibson offering Cover..Park,Giggs and Obertan as the wing cover.
Nev,Rafael and O'Shea as RB'S... Vidic,Rio,Smalling,Evans as the CB's....Evra and Fabio LB'S
Rooney,New Striker,Berba,Owen,Hernandez with Kiko and Diouf as cover..maybe 1 out on loan
VDS,Kuszack and Foster(If sold then his replacement)
VDSEvraVidicRioRafaelNaniFletcherModricValenciaRooneyDavid VillaVDSEvraVidicRioRafaelHargreavesFletcherModricNaniRooneyDavid VillaPost by: Jah Gol on May 03, 2010, 12:30:15 PM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on May 03, 2010, 01:47:54 PM
Villa going Barca.
remember when he "signed" for Madrid last Summer?..just speculation...as is my post..all those players are linked with United
Post by: Bitter on May 03, 2010, 02:03:19 PM
United Speculation so far
In's:
Luka Modric and Gareth Bale- Spurs
James Milner- Aston Villa
Jack Rodwell- Everton
Stephen Ireland and Micah Richards-Man City
This is one of those things that bother me. A strong league needs good players right through, but the big clubs (in all the leagues, this is not a Man U bashing thing) have a way of pulling the better players out of the clubs below them. To say that Spurs (a potential 3rd place team) would improve after losing Modric and Bale is to exchange a bird in the hand for 2 in the bush. As long as there is big money in it though, these kinds of moves will happen. The players involved certainly benefit financially. All I could do is shake my head and wonder "what if?"
Post by: 2cents on May 03, 2010, 02:06:56 PM
btw isn't it a few weeks too early for this thread...allyuh couldn't even let d season done jed...bless
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on May 03, 2010, 02:13:26 PM
United Speculation so far
In's:
Luka Modric and Gareth Bale- Spurs
James Milner- Aston Villa
Jack Rodwell- Everton
Stephen Ireland and Micah Richards-Man City
This is one of those things that bother me. A strong league needs good players right through, but the big clubs (in all the leagues, this is not a Man U bashing thing) have a way of pulling the better players out of the clubs below them. To say that Spurs (a potential 3rd place team) would improve after losing Modric and Bale is to exchange a bird in the hand for 2 in the bush. As long as there is big money in it though, these kinds of moves will happen. The players involved certainly benefit financially. All I could do is shake my head and wonder "what if?"
I hear you but when your the top dog and have the financial power to buy these good players from smaller clubs then you go ahead and do it... United were too weak this year..too dependent on 1 player... we need some more quality..If they come from a smaller team in the league so be it..rarely do you find top teams doing transfers in England...so we have to raid the spurs or the villas.. unless we buy from Serie A or La Liga but generally their players arent good enough for the EPL..or they are not a good fit due to the fast pace and physicality
I reckon Modric is Fergie's number 1 target... He shared his opinion on him before the United Spurs game and was full of praise saying he is the next Scholes etc etc.... Daniel Levy must be preparing his weapons...he doesnt like United too much after we bullied the Berbatov transfer and caused them to have a poor start under Juande Ramos...well according to that twat Levy we were to blame lol
If I was Fergie I'd offer Carrick and 10 million for Modric... he's 24(Modric) and as much as I love Carrick I think he's become too comfortable at United and has little hunger and needs a fresh change...besides we are stacked in Midfield with players similar to him and we need that one creative spark and that is Modric
Post by: sammy on May 03, 2010, 02:14:22 PM
United Speculation so far
In's:
Luka Modric and Gareth Bale- Spurs
James Milner- Aston Villa
Jack Rodwell- Everton
Stephen Ireland and Micah Richards-Man City
This is one of those things that bother me. A strong league needs good players right through, but the big clubs (in all the leagues, this is not a Man U bashing thing) have a way of pulling the better players out of the clubs below them. To say that Spurs (a potential 3rd place team) would improve after losing Modric and Bale is to exchange a bird in the hand for 2 in the bush. As long as there is big money in it though, these kinds of moves will happen. The players involved certainly benefit financially. All I could do is shake my head and wonder "what if?"
could salary caps help stop this?
WHile Utd is my side, i would hate to see a weak spurs.
Post by: dinho on May 03, 2010, 02:25:56 PM
United Speculation so far
In's:
Luka Modric and Gareth Bale- Spurs
James Milner- Aston Villa
Jack Rodwell- Everton
Stephen Ireland and Micah Richards-Man City
This is one of those things that bother me. A strong league needs good players right through, but the big clubs (in all the leagues, this is not a Man U bashing thing) have a way of pulling the better players out of the clubs below them. To say that Spurs (a potential 3rd place team) would improve after losing Modric and Bale is to exchange a bird in the hand for 2 in the bush. As long as there is big money in it though, these kinds of moves will happen. The players involved certainly benefit financially. All I could do is shake my head and wonder "what if?"
I hear you but when your the top dog and have the financial power to buy these good players from smaller clubs then you go ahead and do it... United were to weak this year..too dependant on 1 player... we need some more quality..If they come from a smaller team in the league so be it..rarely do you find top teams doing transfers in England...so we have to raid the spurs or the villas.. unless we buy from Serie A or La Liga but generally their players arent good enough for the EPL..or they are not a good fit due to the fast pace and physicality
I recokn Modric is Fergie's number 1 target... He shared his opinion on him before the United Spurs game and was full of praise saying he is the next Scholes etc etc.... Daniel Levy must be preparing his weapons...he doesnt like United too much after we bullied the Berbatov transfer and caused them to have a poor start under Juande Ramos...well according to that twat Levy we were to blame lol
So let me ask you this, if this is the way you feel then why would you have such a problem with the extravagant spending of a Manchester City or a Chelsea??
This is why when men talk about the Chelseas and the Citys 'ruining the game' I does just have to shake my head and laugh.
For an ambitious team, there is simply not a model to follow that will allow them to break up the aristocracy of 'babylon clubs' in each European league other than solid investment. Spurs are doing very well this season, with a nice blend of strong homegrown talent and overseas pros, a good coach and a solid, gradual and well thought out transfer policy. Same goes for Aston Villa and Everton. One can argue that these clubs are doing all the right thing to progress..
Then in comes the bigger clubs to cherry pick their best players and set them back a few years in the development process. The irony is that with the best players, the Man Uniteds and Real Madrids of this world will win more and make more money to buy off the best players from their contenders. It is a vicious cycle that strongly favors the traditionally biggest clubs making for uneven competition.
Thats why I cant hate on Chelsea and Man Utd for splashing the cash. If thats what it takes then so be it.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on May 03, 2010, 03:01:46 PM
United Speculation so far
In's:
Luka Modric and Gareth Bale- Spurs
James Milner- Aston Villa
Jack Rodwell- Everton
Stephen Ireland and Micah Richards-Man City
This is one of those things that bother me. A strong league needs good players right through, but the big clubs (in all the leagues, this is not a Man U bashing thing) have a way of pulling the better players out of the clubs below them. To say that Spurs (a potential 3rd place team) would improve after losing Modric and Bale is to exchange a bird in the hand for 2 in the bush. As long as there is big money in it though, these kinds of moves will happen. The players involved certainly benefit financially. All I could do is shake my head and wonder "what if?"
I hear you but when your the top dog and have the financial power to buy these good players from smaller clubs then you go ahead and do it... United were to weak this year..too dependant on 1 player... we need some more quality..If they come from a smaller team in the league so be it..rarely do you find top teams doing transfers in England...so we have to raid the spurs or the villas.. unless we buy from Serie A or La Liga but generally their players arent good enough for the EPL..or they are not a good fit due to the fast pace and physicality
I recokn Modric is Fergie's number 1 target... He shared his opinion on him before the United Spurs game and was full of praise saying he is the next Scholes etc etc.... Daniel Levy must be preparing his weapons...he doesnt like United too much after we bullied the Berbatov transfer and caused them to have a poor start under Juande Ramos...well according to that twat Levy we were to blame lol
So let me ask you this, if this is the way you feel then why would you have such a problem with the extravagant spending of a Manchester City or a Chelsea??
This is why when men talk about the Chelseas and the Citys 'ruining the game' I does just have to shake my head and laugh.
For an ambitious team, there is simply not a model to follow that will allow them to break up the aristocracy of 'babylon clubs' in each European league other than solid investment. Spurs are doing very well this season, with a nice blend of strong homegrown talent and overseas pros, a good coach and a solid, gradual and well thought out transfer policy. Same goes for Aston Villa and Everton. One can argue that these clubs are doing all the right thing to progress..
Then in comes the bigger clubs to cherry pick their best players and set them back a few years in the development process. The irony is that with the best players, the Man Uniteds and Real Madrids of this world will win more and make more money to buy off the best players from their contenders. It is a vicious cycle that strongly favors the traditionally biggest clubs making for uneven competition.
Thats why I cant hate on Chelsea and Man Utd for splashing the cash. If thats what it takes then so be it.
I dont have a problem with it personally...Yea I use the rent boy term etc with Chelsea because the amount of players they bought in a 2-3 year period when Roman took charge over inflated the market and Chelsea also stole alot of our transfer targets with their bigger wallets..Robben,Essien and even Ballack....... but in my opinion they over abuse their spending power...they havent recently but I understood why they did because they needed to challenge United..
I dont think United's spending power is in the same bracket of City and Chelsea actually.... Fergie's old school thinking will never be persuaded to pay over 40 million pounds for anyone...he hates the inflation and will always look for the potential buy...In his own words every now and then I'd ask for a Berbatov (30 million) which is very true....Our signings over the last 5 seasons have been relatively low in price
Van Der Sar..2 million
Rafael and Fabio- 5 million combined
Vidic- 7 million
Evra- 6 million
Park..4 million
Carrick..16 million
Hargreaves..15 million
Valencia Nani and Anderson all 15 million each
Tevez...2 year loan ..came up to about 10 million
Berbatov..30 million
Owen free
Obertan..3 million
Hernandez..6 million
Smalling..10 million
143 million in players in that time...except Tevez... that 143 is everyone currently at the club.... Ronaldo departure 80 million and that's just 1 departure figure
In that 5 year period 2005-2010
3 prems
2 Carling Cups
1 Champion's League
1 Club World Cup
1 runner up prem
1 runner up Champion's League
2 runner up FA Cup Final
All that placement money and that low figure in signings is quite admirable of United considering our recent success...
Post by: triniairman on May 03, 2010, 11:51:56 PM
I eh know if is jus me...but i'd take Stephen Ireland over Modric anyday ah d week. Modric a lil more technical but most his passes sideways and backwards with d odd moment of magic. Ireland is a more positive player with a whole lot more goals in his game like Scholes back in d day.There are transfers already being made....so no, it could not wait....bless
btw isn't it a few weeks too early for this thread...allyuh couldn't even let d season done jed...bless
Post by: FireBrand on May 05, 2010, 07:10:05 AM
By: Soccernet staff.
Bordeaux striker Marouane Chamakh has confirmed he will join Arsenal at the end of the season and revealed he rejected offers from Tottenham Hotspur and Liverpool. Chamakh is expected to be one of several summer signings at Arsenal
Chamakh, 26, is out of contract this summer and it has long been assumed he will move to Emirates Stadium, with Arsene Wenger saying last month that there was a "good chance" he would arrive.
"I am delighted to become part of the English football atmosphere," Chamakh told L'Equipe. "It is something amazing.
"Arsenal were not alone [in making an offer]. There were approaches from Liverpool, Tottenham and crazy offers from Russia that were much bigger than those from England, but I was focused on playing in the Premier League.
"Bordeaux offered me a contract extension that was almost impossible to refuse, financially - the figures were very close to those offered by Arsenal.
"I have always loved Arsenal's football. I know I will have to adapt, but I have experience of playing the short passing game from working with Yoann Gourcuff."
He added: "I am counting down the days - 11 short days. As time passes, it feels strange. I am experiencing many emotions."
Chamakh claims he would have agreed to prolong his deal at Bordeaux had they not delayed in offering him an extension.
"They should have offered me something a year earlier," he said. "I think the club and I did not understand each other. It was clear to me that if they did not extend my contract in 2009, I would have the right to leave, but then they blocked my move. I didn't take that well."
He added: "It's true that I almost cracked [and signed a new deal] but, in February, I made my decision. It would be illogical to sign a new contract with a release clause after refusing Arsenal last summer."
Chamakh, who has been with Bordeaux since the age of ten, feels he is now ready to deliver in the Premier League.
"At Bordeaux, I was the club's child," he said. "In London, I won't be a kid anymore. I have grown, I have things to prove and I am motivated to achieve them."
Post by: FireBrand on May 05, 2010, 07:20:44 AM
By: Soccernet staff.
Valencia star David Silva has revealed he would be interested in joining Manchester United this summer.
Silva, 24, has long been linked with a move away from the Mestalla due to the club's financial problems, and United are rumoured to be interested.
The Spain star insists he would be happy to stay at Valencia but, should they cash in during the summer, he would welcome a move to Old Trafford.
"When you hear a club like Manchester United is interested in you it is an honour," he said in the Daily Express. "I am very aware of the Premier League, and in recent years it has been the stand-out league in the world.
"If it came calling, especially if it was a club like Manchester United, it would be very hard to resist. I am happy at Valencia but every player has his price and if they get an offer they think is good business anything is possible."
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on May 05, 2010, 12:23:03 PM
I will take him once it doesnt cost a fortune...I like his versatility..not to mention he is pure Quality
Somehow I think Modric is a better fit at United though..he's proven in the EPL and we could probably get Modic by sending Carrick and some cash
Post by: Peong on May 05, 2010, 02:18:21 PM
I hope Valencia can hold on to their players.
At least they could promise them another CL run.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on May 05, 2010, 03:04:27 PM
So nobody in for Fletcherinho, de best midfielder in de world?
I hope Valencia can hold on to their players.
At least they could promise them another CL run.
not for sale...lol
Take yuh time Fletcher is a boss...the best CDM in the EPL..pure heart and passion and improving every season...a true Red.. he'll be a legend one day...he's only 26 too
Post by: dinho on May 05, 2010, 03:10:13 PM
So nobody in for Fletcherinho, de best midfielder in de world?
I hope Valencia can hold on to their players.
At least they could promise them another CL run.
not for sale...lol
Take yuh time Fletcher is a boss...the best CDM in the EPL..pure heart and passion and improving every season...a true Red.. he'll be a legend one day...he's only 26 too
I read this post and one obscene response pass thru my mind on reflex yes... thanks small mag for making me sin my soul on ah wednesday... steups
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on May 05, 2010, 03:44:10 PM
So nobody in for Fletcherinho, de best midfielder in de world?
I hope Valencia can hold on to their players.
At least they could promise them another CL run.
not for sale...lol
Take yuh time Fletcher is a boss...the best CDM in the EPL..pure heart and passion and improving every season...a true Red.. he'll be a legend one day...he's only 26 too
I read this post and one obscene response pass thru my mind on reflex yes... thanks small mag for making me sin my soul on ah wednesday... steups
well in all honesty I forgot about Essien but I would say Essien edges him but at least Fletch is always fit ;)
Post by: 2cents on May 05, 2010, 05:52:24 PM
Come and get me plea
I will take him once it doesnt cost a fortune...I like his versatility..not to mention he is pure Quality
Somehow I think Modric is a better fit at United though..he's proven in the EPL and we could probably get Modic by sending Carrick and some cash
Spurs in Champions League now so I hopin that they don't sell Modric now. I jus don't wanna c that guy at Utd. This could be ah Berbatov all over again. Once again he did absolutely nothing in the game against City today.
Post by: palos on May 05, 2010, 05:54:25 PM
How yuh go have a Official Rumor?
Post by: giggsy11 on May 05, 2010, 06:14:30 PM
So nobody in for Fletcherinho, de best midfielder in de world?
I hope Valencia can hold on to their players.
At least they could promise them another CL run.
not for sale...lol
Take yuh time Fletcher is a boss...the best CDM in the EPL..pure heart and passion and improving every season...a true Red.. he'll be a legend one day...he's only 26 too
I read this post and one obscene response pass thru my mind on reflex yes... thanks small mag for making me sin my soul on ah wednesday... steups
well in all honesty I forgot about Essien but I would say Essien edges him but at least Fletch is always fit ;)
Hope you knocked on wood when you typed that.
Post by: giggsy11 on May 05, 2010, 06:17:13 PM
Jes curious
How yuh go have a Official Rumor?
It's official it is jus a rumor?
Post by: triniairman on May 11, 2010, 11:32:11 AM
Bruce signs South American midfielder on three-year-deal
Sunderland have agreed a deal to bring midfielder Cristian Riveros to the Stadium of Light.
Steve Bruce has made his first summer signing soon after the end of the Premier League season by bringing the Paraguay international to Wearside.
The 27-year-old, who has been playing his club football in Mexico with Cruz Azul, has put pen to paper on a three-year contract with Sunderland, who ended the season in 13th place after Sunday's 2-1 defeat to Wolves.
Bruce said: "We have been monitoring Cristian for a while now, so I'm delighted to have concluded a deal which will bring him to Sunderland and the Barclays Premier League.
"He is a very creative midfielder and a player that will enhance our attacking options from wide positions for next season."
Riveros, who has represented Paraguay 45 times, scoring eight goals told the club's official website: "The League is very competitive and Sunderland have shown good trust in me as a person and as a footballer.
"The history is good and I'm delighted to be joining the club."
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6147740,00.html
Post by: FireBrand on May 17, 2010, 07:49:10 AM
By: Harry Harris (Soccernet.com).
Fernando Torres wants Champions League football
Fernando Torres will be the subject of a world record bid from Chelsea within days. The total package of transfer fee and salary will make Torres a staggering 130 million investment. And Soccernet has been informed that owner Roman Abramovich is personally taking control of the project to bring the Liverpool striker to Chelsea.
Torres has been linked with Chelsea, Manchester City, Barcelona and Real Madrid for a some time but the Blues will be first to make a concrete offer.
Abramovich is ready to release the cash following a Premier League and FA Cup double this season, but he is also acutely aware he could cut an alternative deal with Liverpool in need of new players.
Chelsea are willing to offer three players in part exchange, as an option to smooth through the Torres transfer.
Abramovich is also prepared to match City's expected offer to Torres of 200,000-a-week, which is being mooted via the middle men now authorised to try and clinch the deal.
An insider told Soccernet: "Torres is the best, and Roman wants the best. He has identified Torres as the player who can help him bring the Champions League to Stamford Bridge.
"Torres can go to City for just as much money perhaps even more, but it's clear that Chelsea offer far more in terms of a crack at the Champions League whereas City aren't even in it."
Chelsea are drawing up a list of players to offer to Liverpool in part exchange for Torres that could take the overall transfer value above the 80 million world record Real Madrid paid for Cristiano Ronaldo.
The deal could be structured like this; pick any three players from a specified list plus 40 million cash up front for Torres. That offer, according to Soccernet sources, will be made well ahead of the World Cup finals in South Africa, and most likely early next week.
With the three players averaging around 15 million each, the total valuation of the Torres offer would be in excess of the Ronaldo fee.
Abramovich is personally spearheading the quest to land Torres, and his manager Carlo Ancelotti will consider which players to use as bait to tempt Liverpool: Jose Bosingwa, Nicolas Anelka, Ricardo Carvalho, Deco, Salomon Kalou and Paulo Ferreira.
Anelka is the one player the Italian coach might be reluctant to offer up and, of course, the Frenchman might not wish to return to Anfield - although he has expressed regret at failing to win a permanent move to the club after spending a loan spell on Merseyside.
Manchester City are also in a position to offer Liverpool a shopping list of swap players, as well as a cash payment in excess of Chelsea's, but the prospect of joining the Double winners and a club intent on landing the Champions League would be far more appealing.
Liverpool owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett are battling with losses of 54.9 million, a net debt of 351 million, no Champions League football and with new chairman Martin Broughton an appointee of the club's bank RBS, a 40 million cash-plus-players bid for their star asset will clearly be accepted.
Ironically, Broughton is a Chelsea season ticket holder, and any decision to sell would inevitably make him unpopular at Anfield.
Such is the ground work being prpeared at the Bridge for the Torres bid, that star striker Didier Drogba is already ready to welcome him to the club.
"Of course I would welcome Torres," Drogba said last week. "Every time a new player comes here, it makes the club bigger and gives us a lot of strength. If there is a chance for him to come here, he will be welcome, because any help is welcome.''
Post by: 2cents on May 19, 2010, 06:11:29 AM
Villa had been targeted by a number of Premier League clubs
David Villa will be unveiled as a Barcelona player on Friday after completing a 34.2m move from Valencia.
The Spain international has signed a four-year deal and is the first summer capture for the Catalan club, with Cesc Fabregas also said to be a target.
Villa, 28, is due in Barcelona on Thursday and is booked for a medical.
The top scorer at Euro 2008 despite missing the final through injury, he had reportedly attracted interest from Manchester United and Chelsea.
The man from Asturias, in the north of Spain, is a regular in his country's first team and will be highly fancied to make a big impact at the World Cup.
His arrival at Barcelona is likely to lead to increased speculation over the futures of strikers Thierry Henry and Zlatan Ibrahimovic.
606: DEBATE
He was one player that was constantly linked with Manchester United last year and this as well. It will be interesting to hear from him this week considering he wanted to join us
redevilmatthe
After a board meeting at Valencia on Wednesday morning, Manuel Llorente, the president of the club known as "Los Che", said they had accepted Barca's offer.
"We have sold David Villa to Barcelona for 40 million euros," he told a news conference at the Mestalla.
"As everyone knows we could have done this deal last year but we thought at that moment it was best to keep our squad together to try and get into the Champions League.
"We have achieved that aim and finished third in the league, and he has contributed a lot towards this. We think it is a good sale and necessary for the economic situation of the club."
Barcelona's outgoing president Joan Laporta claimed on Tuesday the club were "satisfied" with the 21-goal contribution of Ibrahimovic in his first season since arriving from Inter Milan.
Henry appears to be on the verge of a move to Major League Soccer, with Laporta revealing there was "a lot of interest" in the 32-year-old French forward from the United States.
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on May 19, 2010, 07:57:27 AM
VILLA OK
Bara will pay in total 50 million for the first reinforcement of the season 2010/2011.
El Guaje (28 years) will sign a 4-year contract + 1 and will be presented this week.
Post by: fordy on May 19, 2010, 09:07:57 AM
Striker David Villa moves to Barcelona from Valencia
Villa had been targeted by a number of Premier League clubs
David Villa will be unveiled as a Barcelona player on Friday after completing a 34.2m move from Valencia.
The Spain international has signed a four-year deal and is the first summer capture for the Catalan club, with Cesc Fabregas also said to be a target.
Villa, 28, is due in Barcelona on Thursday and is booked for a medical.
The top scorer at Euro 2008 despite missing the final through injury, he had reportedly attracted interest from Manchester United and Chelsea.
The man from Asturias, in the north of Spain, is a regular in his country's first team and will be highly fancied to make a big impact at the World Cup.
His arrival at Barcelona is likely to lead to increased speculation over the futures of strikers Thierry Henry and Zlatan Ibrahimovic.
606: DEBATE
He was one player that was constantly linked with Manchester United last year and this as well. It will be interesting to hear from him this week considering he wanted to join us
redevilmatthe
After a board meeting at Valencia on Wednesday morning, Manuel Llorente, the president of the club known as "Los Che", said they had accepted Barca's offer.
"We have sold David Villa to Barcelona for 40 million euros," he told a news conference at the Mestalla.
"As everyone knows we could have done this deal last year but we thought at that moment it was best to keep our squad together to try and get into the Champions League.
"We have achieved that aim and finished third in the league, and he has contributed a lot towards this. We think it is a good sale and necessary for the economic situation of the club."
Barcelona's outgoing president Joan Laporta claimed on Tuesday the club were "satisfied" with the 21-goal contribution of Ibrahimovic in his first season since arriving from Inter Milan.
Henry appears to be on the verge of a move to Major League Soccer, with Laporta revealing there was "a lot of interest" in the 32-year-old French forward from the United States.
this is huge! the only thing to over shadow this is if chelsea is able to get torres.
Post by: kingdavid on May 19, 2010, 01:47:53 PM
The Portuguese coach has helped to bring the glory days back to Inter during his time in Italy, with the club currently on the brink of an unprecedented Treble.
With the Serie A title and Italian Cup already in the bag, Saturday's UEFA Champions League final against Bayern Munich is all that stands between Mourinho and another slice of history.
Such success could lead him to head for the exits, with the former Chelsea boss always keen to take on a new challenge.
A switch to Real would certainly provide him with a stiff test, with the Spanish giants having seen arch-rivals Barcelona successfully defend their Primera Liga crown this season.
Mourinho has revealed that he would be foolish to turn down such an opportunity were it to arise, but he has also refused to rule out the possibility of sticking around at Giuseppe Meazza.
Clear conscience
"My only options are Madrid or Inter," he told Marca.
"To get me to leave this club after two years of incredible work, only Real Madrid could achieve that. If I go, I will move with a clear conscience having changed the club."
Mourinho is yet to be contacted by Real, who continue to employ Manuel Pellegrini as their manager at present, but admits he would welcome the opportunity to join such a prestigious club in the future.
"All I say is that if you are a coach or a great player to not play in a club like Madrid, leaves a hole in your career," he added.
"I want to coach Real 100 per cent. If it is next year or later, I can't say."
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11835_6162254,00.html
Post by: Blue on May 19, 2010, 03:23:04 PM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11677_6163375,00.html
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on May 20, 2010, 11:31:17 AM
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Post by: Bitter on May 23, 2010, 06:52:32 AM
By Soccernet staff
May 22, 2010
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=789386&sec=transfers&cc=5901
West Ham have made an audacious bid to sign Thierry Henry in a move which would see the Frenchman become the highest-paid player in their history.
Henry has been heavily linked with a move away from Barcelona with reports indicating Major League Soccer side New York Red Bulls would be his most likely destination.
However, West Ham joint chairman David Sullivan has revealed he wants to sign theformer Arsenal striker and it is reported he is willing to offer him a two-year deal worth around 75,000 a week, more than 7.5 million in total.
"We're trying to assemble a more prolific strike force at West Ham and I'd love to have Henry here," Sullivan told The Sun. "Our club is in debt but a striker of his quality and standing would make it a great deal.
"Henry is still up there with the best."I've made an offer which would make him the highest-paid player in the club's history."And it's a serious offer because Henry could walk into almost any Premier League side.''
West Ham are still on the hunt for a new manager and it's likely that the first job of any new boss will be to re-assemble a squad, starting with the club's plethora of strikers.
While Carlton Cole was the Hammers' most consistent striker, he still only netted ten Premier League goals, with only three of them scored in 2010. Alessandro Diamanti netted seven, though he is the club's designated penlaty taker, and youngster Zavon Hines has shown glimpses of his potential.
But Guillermo Franco, Mido, Benni McCarthy and Ilan have flattered to deceive, with McCarthy and Mido - both players with proven premier League goalscoring records - failing to score a single goal since arriving in the January transfer window.
Post by: dinho on May 26, 2010, 01:39:29 PM
Birmingham seal signing of giant striker Nikola Zigic
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/b/birmingham_city/8704954.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/b/birmingham_city/8704954.stm)
Birmingham have completed the signing of giant Serbian striker Nikola Zigic from Spanish side Valencia.
The 29-year-old, who stands at 6ft 8in and is set to play in the World Cup, has joined the Midlands club on a four-year deal for an undisclosed fee.
Blues boss Alex McLeish was reportedly willing to pay Valencia 6m for the hitman, who cost Los Che 15m in 2007.
Zigic has scored 16 goals in 42 games for Serbia, who face Germany, Australia and Ghana in Group D this summer.
Birmingham have also been linked with moves for Wigan winger Charles N'Zogbia and Fulham left-back Paul Konchesky.
During his three-year stint at the Mestalla, Zigic lived in the shadow of superstar striker David Villa, although last week the Spaniard signed for champions Barcelona for 34m.
Zigic had arrived in Spain in 2006 at Racing, after netting 71 goals in 110 games for Red Star Belgrade.
He managed 12 goals in La Liga during his debut season before moving on to Valencia but, with Villa often preferred in the lone role up front, his chances were limited.
A loan spell back at Racing during the second half of the 2008/09 campaign resulted in him scoring 13 times in only 19 appearances, while last season he registered nine goals in 28 games for Valencia.
Zigic is a crucial part of the Serbian national side and has been tipped by coach Raddy Antic to shine at the World Cup in South Africa.
Post by: Toppa on May 26, 2010, 02:06:40 PM
Post by: dinho on May 26, 2010, 02:10:38 PM
Real Madrid fired Pelligrini.
Eto'o...
Makalele...
Del Bosque...
Capello...
Owen...
Robben...
Sneijder...
Pellegrini...
This club and their decision making, steups. "Menos que un club!"
Post by: Blue on May 26, 2010, 02:36:15 PM
Real Madrid fired Pelligrini.
Eto'o...
Makalele...
Del Bosque...
Capello...
Owen...
Robben...
Sneijder...
Pellegrini...
This club and their decision making, steups. "Menos que un club!"
Seedorf...
Cambiasso...
Zamorano...
Dat club exists only to supply Inter wid fresh talent
Post by: Toppa on May 26, 2010, 02:39:55 PM
Real Madrid fired Pelligrini.
Eto'o...
Makalele...
Del Bosque...
Capello...
Owen...
Robben...
Sneijder...
Pellegrini...
This club and their decision making, steups. "Menos que un club!"
Mind yuh business.
Post by: kicker on May 26, 2010, 02:42:04 PM
Real Madrid fired Pelligrini.
Eto'o...
Makalele...
Del Bosque...
Capello...
Owen...
Robben...
Sneijder...
Pellegrini...
This club and their decision making, steups. "Menos que un club!"
Seedorf...
Cambiasso...
Zamorano...
Dat club exists only to supply Inter wid fresh talent
Doh forget Solari and Walter Samuel...
Post by: andre samuel on May 26, 2010, 02:43:12 PM
good signing by birmingham...
Birmingham seal signing of giant striker Nikola Zigic
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/b/birmingham_city/8704954.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/b/birmingham_city/8704954.stm)
Birmingham have completed the signing of giant Serbian striker Nikola Zigic from Spanish side Valencia.
The 29-year-old, who stands at 6ft 8in and is set to play in the World Cup, has joined the Midlands club on a four-year deal for an undisclosed fee.
Blues boss Alex McLeish was reportedly willing to pay Valencia 6m for the hitman, who cost Los Che 15m in 2007.
Zigic has scored 16 goals in 42 games for Serbia, who face Germany, Australia and Ghana in Group D this summer.
Birmingham have also been linked with moves for Wigan winger Charles N'Zogbia and Fulham left-back Paul Konchesky.
During his three-year stint at the Mestalla, Zigic lived in the shadow of superstar striker David Villa, although last week the Spaniard signed for champions Barcelona for 34m.
Zigic had arrived in Spain in 2006 at Racing, after netting 71 goals in 110 games for Red Star Belgrade.
He managed 12 goals in La Liga during his debut season before moving on to Valencia but, with Villa often preferred in the lone role up front, his chances were limited.
A loan spell back at Racing during the second half of the 2008/09 campaign resulted in him scoring 13 times in only 19 appearances, while last season he registered nine goals in 28 games for Valencia.
Zigic is a crucial part of the Serbian national side and has been tipped by coach Raddy Antic to shine at the World Cup in South Africa.
This is a wonderful signing for Birmingham City!!
I am surprised that no one else snapped this player up!
Post by: Toppa on May 26, 2010, 02:45:57 PM
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Jose-Mourinho-Named-Real-Madrid-Manager-Portuguese-Takes-Over-Spanish-Giants-After-Leaving-Inter/Article/201005415638926?lpos=World_News_Second_World_News_Article_Teaser_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15638926_Jose_Mourinho_Named_Real_Madrid_Manager%3A_Portuguese_Takes_Over_Spanish_Giants_After_Leaving_Inter
Post by: mukumsplau on June 02, 2010, 07:13:56 AM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on June 02, 2010, 07:59:54 PM
reported on sky italia that krasic has signed..if not 90+ % close to signing for juventus...fingers crossed..fingers crossed he'd be the perfect heir to nedved..
What a stupid move if correct... He is way too much quality to go there now... he was on United's,Barca and Real's radar...
Didnt Juve finish 7th and have no European footy?
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 05, 2010, 09:26:06 AM
before i go any further in this rant, i like(d) Barca, before and after they beat arsenal in champs league finals and in champs league season gone, respect pep and the gang for what they achieve the last two seasons...
BUT
Barca have been "tapping up" cesc blatantly in the papers, even more so after his comment
here are the facts that were reiterated by the clubs official statement last week
Cesc publicly said his future is in arsene wengers hands
he is our captain and part of our future plans
he is under contract until 2015
barca's first bid was rejected by the club (30 mil which is insulting to the player and club)
arsenal are not interested in negotiating the sale of their player, meaning unless they see a figure too good to pass up barca should fuhgeddaboudit
yet dispite arsenals firm statement last week, all sorts of barca board members, wannabe board memebrs and playing staff continue the underhanded comments and behaviour running thier mouths off to the press, and i am sure cesc is getting all sorts of picong in the spanish camp
i mean seriously if manu can hold off real and still get 80mil for Ronaldo. Why the heck arsenal cant get upwards of 60mil for cesc? its disgusting the way ppl call arsenal cheap but when we have a class player that other clubs want they approach with disgustingly low offers
AND barca still OWE arsenal for Henry AND Helb??? i meant wtf Barca? yuh owe us money yuh make an offer half the minimum value the player is to us AND yuh haven't paid off the last two yuh buy?
Barca, DO SO!
Post by: makaveli on June 05, 2010, 01:34:24 PM
Aresenal has won 2 TITLES in 7 years Barca has won 7 TITLES in two years, why the arse he will want to stay with them when he could play with arguably the best Barca side ever.
In addition if you didn't know, that's what's people/clubs do when they bargain, of course Cesc is worth more that 30 million. I don't know about you but if I could save an 5- 15 million dollars on a transfer I would do all I can to do it, which means offers and counter offers. Put yourself in Barca's shoes, 60 million for a player they moulded?
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 05, 2010, 02:04:28 PM
as for "tapping up" we have the largest network of scouts, we talk with the players family and the final choice is for the player/players family and some times their club to argee, you think is chelski or manu or city didnt have the fund they wouldnt do the same or are doing the same as arsenal? ninja please
two, cant compare epl to la liga, or i should say la liga de dos (barca and real) we all know he will go back to barca, but we wont let him go till the price is right OR contract runs out
three, moulded? get real he was a talent before, he became the finished player he is by being groomed at arsenal
Post by: giggsy11 on June 05, 2010, 02:27:42 PM
Post by: Bakes on June 05, 2010, 02:33:21 PM
I hate hypocrisy. Arsenal tap up young players from Spain and Italy all the time due to the said countries labour laws. Cesc and Fran Merida are two players Arsenal lured away from the Nou Camp. It irritates me that they have the nerve to criticize Barca or any other club. Note they only stepped up their pursuit when Cesc indicated he wanted to LEAVE. After all is said and done Cesc will be a Barca player come Setember, thias the bottom line!!
Aresenal has won 2 TITLES in 7 years Barca has won 7 TITLES in two years, why the arse he will want to stay with them when he could play with arguably the best Barca side ever.
In addition if you didn't know, that's what's people/clubs do when they bargain, of course Cesc is worth more that 30 million. I don't know about you but if I could save an 5- 15 million dollars on a transfer I would do all I can to do it, which means offers and counter offers. Put yourself in Barca's shoes, 60 million for a player they moulded?
I against the whole "tapping up" idea but otherwisde I doh really have a dog in dis fight... I just wanted to respond to the bolded. England operates under the same set of labor laws as Spain and Italy so yuh can't imply that Arsenal takes advantage of other countries labor laws... at least not other European countries. Secondly, I believe what GunnerStunner referring to is what he sees as a low-ball offer... whether it is or isn't could be up for debate... but there is such a thing as a 'good faith' offer when bargaining.
All that aside, as a fan I might be upset too but really and truly the ball is in Arsenal's court... if what going on at Camp Nou is so offensive then Arsenal should file a complaint with UEFA, I sure the confederation has rules against tampering with players under contract.
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 05, 2010, 02:50:01 PM
but
barca loaned out to the gills they almost as broke as real cept real is backed y the king of spain
and giggsy ole man, this ia about barca behavior about the transfer in the public eye, soemthing that will torment the player
yuh forget how many years real n barca hunted for ronaldo???? how quickly yuh fuhget when yuh sell yuh golden boy yuh side ketch it arse? didnt manu make a deal not keep him for one season but let him go for 80mil the next?
we cant just selll him and have our pockets lined and then go backwards?? yuh nuts or what? arsenal have cash now to buy the keeper and extra central defender we need
why sell cesc? we need him, he is under contract, its only good business, barca feel they smart
Post by: Bakes on June 05, 2010, 03:05:23 PM
all good points bake, honstly if they stump up 60-80mil and pay off for henry and helb i cool
but
barca loaned out to the gills they almost as broke as real cept real is backed y the king of spain
yeah but yuh cyah complain that Barca still owing allyuh fuh dem two players... is Arsenal complaining? I dunno what terms they made the transfer under... was payments to be in some kinda installment? Besides, is precisely b/c they broke they need to try and invest more in the club to keep winning and selling jerseys, lol. Although they done stock so rich with talent yuh could argue they eh truly need him, but...
Post by: richpy on June 05, 2010, 04:00:40 PM
However, Barca not unsettling Fabregas, he is the one dying to change clubs.
Post by: xixgon on June 05, 2010, 04:09:18 PM
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 06, 2010, 03:23:25 PM
all good points bake, honstly if they stump up 60-80mil and pay off for henry and helb i cool
but
barca loaned out to the gills they almost as broke as real cept real is backed y the king of spain
yeah but yuh cyah complain that Barca still owing allyuh fuh dem two players... is Arsenal complaining? I dunno what terms they made the transfer under... was payments to be in some kinda installment? Besides, is precisely b/c they broke they need to try and invest more in the club to keep winning and selling jerseys, lol. Although they done stock so rich with talent yuh could argue they eh truly need him, but...
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arsneal not complaining, but juan laporta say they made a "fair market value" offer???? wtf?? for a player who has 5 years on his contract? club captain? intergral part of the team? and 30mil is fair? hell no arsenal nto saying what they will sell him for, barc have to keep upping their offer until we say ok
Post by: GunnerStunner on June 06, 2010, 03:25:10 PM
Cesc should just go next season to take over (or start to) from Xavi - Barca eh goin anywhere - but it would be at a better time for both teams, the player and easier for the fans to take (similar to Ronaldo's departure from Utd).1 its not entierly up to cesc he has a contrac and a very expensive buy out clause
2 wouldnt you just love it if cesc wasnt in the epl next season
3 ronaldo stayed one season once the agreement on his price was agreed the season BEFORE
Post by: Mr Fix-it on June 08, 2010, 06:06:12 AM
By Harry Harris, Football Correspondent
Manchester City are prepared to make Fernando Torres the world's richest footballer in an attempt to land the Liverpool striker, but he is ready to turn them down in favour of a move to Chelsea, Soccernet understands.
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Fernando Torres: Chelsea and Manchester City are fighting over his signature
One of the men at the centre of secret talks about a possible move has disclosed that while City are ready to outbid Chelsea, Torres is more interested in playing Champions League football next season.
"City were ready to offer Fernando Torres a huge contract, and by that I mean the biggest for any footballer anywhere in the world," the source told Soccernet. "But Torres said 'no', he was not interested."
Although no formal contract offer can be made by City as they have not agreed any fee with Liverpool, the middlemen have been working feverishly behind the scenes.
Torres has been made aware of the enormous salary being put in front of his advisors to tempt him to Eastlands, with the deal reportedly equal to the phenomenal wages Cristiano Ronaldo commands at Real Madrid - more than 200,000-a-week plus image rights and bonuses....
Read More http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=792978&cc=3888 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=792978&cc=3888)
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 08, 2010, 09:02:20 AM
Post by: Blue on June 08, 2010, 02:35:48 PM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11854_6197380,00.html
Adriano has undergone a medical at Roma ahead of his return to Italy and is to be officially unveiled on Wednesday.
The Serie A outfit have called a press conference for 5pm local time at which they are expected to announce the signing.
No further details of the deal have yet been announced, as Roma continue to play their cards close to their chest.
It is, however, expected that negotiations will pass without a hitch and Adriano will put pen to paper on a long-term contract.
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 09, 2010, 11:19:40 AM
Adriano deal almost done
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11854_6197380,00.html
Adriano has undergone a medical at Roma ahead of his return to Italy and is to be officially unveiled on Wednesday.
The Serie A outfit have called a press conference for 5pm local time at which they are expected to announce the signing.
No further details of the deal have yet been announced, as Roma continue to play their cards close to their chest.
It is, however, expected that negotiations will pass without a hitch and Adriano will put pen to paper on a long-term contract.
I give up on da head case oui!! Jose give da man rell chances, he and Queresma!
Post by: mukumsplau on June 09, 2010, 08:05:20 PM
reported on sky italia that krasic has signed..if not 90+ % close to signing for juventus...fingers crossed..fingers crossed he'd be the perfect heir to nedved..
What a stupid move if correct... He is way too much quality to go there now... he was on United's,Barca and Real's radar...
Didnt Juve finish 7th and have no European footy?
stupid move? homie juventus is a big side 1897 to 2006 till management messed us up but we're getting back there once d side purges a few players and brings in the right ones like what we're doin now with a competent management...plus u cant expect him to move to clubs that havent put in bid for him...and it isnt about CL football for everyone especially when they know the tradition and prestige of the club
Post by: Flex on June 15, 2010, 06:33:58 PM
By Harry Harris, Football Correspondent
Chelsea are waiting to hear back from Liverpool having lodged a 50 million bid for Fernando Torres, according to a transfer insider.
Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich has given the green light to what would be the biggest domestic transfer in Premier League history, but will have to out bid Manchester City.
An insider close to the negotiations told Soccernet: "There have been two verbal offers for Torres, Chelsea are willing to pay 50 million, but Manchester City offered verbally 25 million more!
"Liverpool would naturally want the bigger sum, but Torres as made it perfectly clear that he won't be joining Manchester City, even though City would go as high as 200,000-a-week wages.
"Even so Chelsea would pay Torres 140,000-a-week and when you're at that level, the important thing for the player is to go to a club with Champions League football and the chance of winning the major honours.
Liverpool, who are still to appoint a new manager after parting company with Rafael Benitez last month, have not formally acknowledged Chelsea's approach.
The blues are also in the hunt to sign Yossi Benayoun from the Anfield club and Soccernet's source expects both players to be at Stamford Bridge next season.
"If you are asking my opinion both Torres and Benayoun will go to Chelsea, the Benayoun deal is very close to completion, but Torres won't be sorted out now until after the World Cup Finals."
Post by: Mose on June 15, 2010, 09:05:04 PM
Wait! You complaining 'bout a lowball offer but allyuh not willing to name a price? Something wrong with dat logic.all good points bake, honstly if they stump up 60-80mil and pay off for henry and helb i cool
but
barca loaned out to the gills they almost as broke as real cept real is backed y the king of spain
yeah but yuh cyah complain that Barca still owing allyuh fuh dem two players... is Arsenal complaining? I dunno what terms they made the transfer under... was payments to be in some kinda installment? Besides, is precisely b/c they broke they need to try and invest more in the club to keep winning and selling jerseys, lol. Although they done stock so rich with talent yuh could argue they eh truly need him, but...
arsneal not complaining, but juan laporta say they made a "fair market value" offer???? wtf?? for a player who has 5 years on his contract? club captain? intergral part of the team? and 30mil is fair? hell no arsenal nto saying what they will sell him for, barc have to keep upping their offer until we say ok
Post by: mukumsplau on June 15, 2010, 09:39:32 PM
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on June 16, 2010, 12:01:25 PM
Wait! You complaining 'bout a lowball offer but allyuh not willing to name a price? Something wrong with dat logic.all good points bake, honstly if they stump up 60-80mil and pay off for henry and helb i cool
but
barca loaned out to the gills they almost as broke as real cept real is backed y the king of spain
yeah but yuh cyah complain that Barca still owing allyuh fuh dem two players... is Arsenal complaining? I dunno what terms they made the transfer under... was payments to be in some kinda installment? Besides, is precisely b/c they broke they need to try and invest more in the club to keep winning and selling jerseys, lol. Although they done stock so rich with talent yuh could argue they eh truly need him, but...
arsneal not complaining, but juan laporta say they made a "fair market value" offer???? wtf?? for a player who has 5 years on his contract? club captain? intergral part of the team? and 30mil is fair? hell no arsenal nto saying what they will sell him for, barc have to keep upping their offer until we say ok
If deh eh tranfer list him then why they puttin ah price tag for? Traditionally when teams going after a player that isn't being shopped they have to go higher than general valuation of the player than lower. I doubt you or anyone think the offer made thus far comes close to reasonable for Cesc when you factor skills, age and current contract years remaining (5). Barca shouldn't start at anything less than 50m if they serious.
Post by: FireBrand on June 22, 2010, 10:53:24 AM
Petrov joins Bolton
Skysports.com
Bulgaria winger Martin Petrov has agreed to join Bolton Wanderers on a free transfer after leaving Manchester City.
The 31-year-old was released from City this summer after his contract at Eastlands expired, with manager Roberto Mancini deciding not to renew terms.
Petrov's signing will be seen as something of a coup for the Trotters in capturing a player with proven ability and who impressed in his early days in the Premier League after joining from Atletico Madrid.
He becomes Bolton boss Owen Coyle's first full signing of the summer at the Reebok Stadium, with the former Burnley managed expected to make more additions in the coming months.
Petrov initially enjoyed a successful stint in then-manager Sven Goran Eriksson's City team, however once the Swede departed and the big-money takeover by the Abu Dhabi United Group took place, the midfielder saw his chances become more limited by new players and a succession of injuries.
Overall he made 66 appearances for City, scoring 12 goals, some of which were outstanding strikes with his powerful left foot and he has also won 77 caps for his country.
He joins Bolton on 1st July under the Bosman ruling and he had also been linked with a move to Aston Villa.
Post by: triniairman on June 28, 2010, 10:47:15 AM
Sevilla star rules out summer switch to Tottenham
Brazil striker Luis Fabiano has issued a come-and-get-me plea to Manchester United after ruling out a move to Tottenham.
The Sevilla star does not want to sign a new contract with the Spanish club and he is a target of AC Milan.
Fabiano, who scored twice against Ivory Coast in the group stages of the World Cup, is attracted by Milan, but he is also keen on a move to United, where he would be able to play alongside Wayne Rooney.
Sevilla have said they will not sell the 29-year-old, however, he is desperate to secure a move that will give him a chance to win the UEFA Champions League.
Fabiano told the Daily Star Sunday: "I have a real chance of winning a World Cup here in South Africa, and that is what I must stay focused on even though I know my future has to be sorted soon.
"I have made it clear that I will not be signing a new contract with Sevilla and at 29 I now need to join a club where I can start challenging for the highest honours from the first season.
"I have heard Tottenham Hotspur made an inquiry about me but, with all respect, that is not somewhere I am going to be able to win the Premier League or the European Cup in the next three or four years.
Giant
"There would be no point in me joining Tottenham. I might as well stay at Sevilla, as it's the same thing. Sevilla are actually bigger when you look at how much we have been in the European Cup, so there would be no point me moving to a smaller team.
"The choice will come down to Manchester United and AC Milan. That is the sort of team I want to be signing for, one of the true giants of Europe.
"I think the way Manchester United play football is very attractive, I must be honest and say Premier League football attracts me and also the way Manchester United play football attracts me.
"You think about being Wayne Rooney's strike partner and that is very attractive for any striker.
"I think the style of Premier League football suits me and I think I could score goals and be very successful there.
"Their coach is a winner, their players are winners and they are one of the few teams in Europe challenging for the top honours season after season.
"As soon as the World Cup is over I will make a quick decision on my future - and while it is going on I hope Sevilla can open discussions. I have enjoyed my time here but I now need to be at a giant."
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11827_6232361,00.html
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on June 28, 2010, 02:01:27 PM
1) we have no money apparently
2) He does not seem like a Manchester United player...something about him does not fit the bill
He is a class act but I personally dont like him, I think he's a bit arrogant and stink but he can finish with deadly effect
If he comes he comes
Btw..Looks like Fergie made a great singing in Hernandez....for 21 his understanding as a striker is very impressive...reminds me of Michael Owen back in the day..playing off the last man...his hold up play is impressive, he isnt weak..he can head, he has a great leap for flick on's and he seems to have alot of pace...and my god can he finish
Can't wait to see him in action with United
If we are playing 4-2-3-1 next season we better find a creative mid to sit behind Wazza or else we are screwed..If we have to depend on Park or Giggs in that position Chelsea may as well start smiling
Post by: dinho on June 28, 2010, 09:37:07 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8770168.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8770168.stm)
Spanish club Real Madrid have confirmed they have reached an agreement with Benfica over the transfer of Argentina winger Angel di Maria.
His switch to the Bernabeu, on a six-year deal, is reported to be worth 25 million euros (20.3m).
The 22-year-old, who is currently part of his country's World Cup squad, becomes Jose Mourinho's first signing since taking charge at Real last month.
Di Maria moved to Portugal in 2007 from Argentine side Rosario Central.
The attacking midfielder has started all four of his country's World Cup matches so far, playing on the left side of a central three - although he has not yet hit top form in South Africa.
Di Maria won the World Under-20 Championship with Argentina in 2007 and scored the extra-time winner against Holland in the final of the 2008 Olympic Games.
But he especially caught the eye of Europe's top clubs last season as he helped Benfica to a Portuguese league and cup Double.
Despite reported interest from elsewhere, Di Maria has opted to become the first player to join Mourinho in Madrid since the ex-Inter, Chelsea and Porto boss signed a four-year deal with the Spanish giants on 31 May.
Real have been linked with several top names since Mourinho was appointed, notably England captain Steven Gerrard.
Mourinho's first signing as Chelsea manager was Portuguese full-back Paulo Ferreira, while his first major capture at Inter was another compatriot - Ricardo Quaresma.
Post by: Bally on June 29, 2010, 07:26:01 PM
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Mario Balotelli is flattered by Arsenal's reported interest, with Manchester City also said to be tracking the Inter Milan striker's situation.
The highly-rated 19-year-old is said to be a target of Arsene Wenger's side as well as a number of other European clubs.
Balotelli - who hit the headlines for his spats with former manager Jose Mourinho - insisted he was happy that Rafa Benitez had been installed as Inter manager following his departure from Liverpool.
However, he couldn't hide his delight at being subject to speculation, with former Nerazzurri and Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini also believed to be keen on his services.
"I'm ready for Benitez and I'm happy that he has talked well of me," said the Italy Under-21 international.
"But I'm happy also that Arsenal likes me. Staying at Inter? Now let's see. Roberto Mancini? He gave me my debut in Serie A."
He laughed off suggestions of a city switch to rivals AC, adding: "Go to Milan? Of course not!"
Balotelli's agent has played down suggestions of an impending deal, revealing that Benitez does not want to part company with the front man.
Mino Raiola told Radio Radio tv: "I spoke with Inter, which has a project. I don't think Balotelli is on the market but I don't know if they want (him to) play."
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on June 30, 2010, 07:04:26 AM
Manchester City agree to sign David Silva from Valencia for 30m
'I am thrilled about playing in England with Manchester City'
Roberto Mancini: 'We are bringing the best players here'
Manchester City have reached agreement with Valencia to sign Spain forward David Silva for 30m.
The 24-year-old, who is currently at the World Cup with his national squad, has agreed a four-year deal at Eastlands.
Silva told the club's website: "Firstly I would like to thank Valencia as a club and all of their loyal fans, and my team-mates there and staff. I have enjoyed six years at Valencia, they discovered me as a footballer and they will always be a special club for me.
"The time is right for me to seek a new challenge, and I am thrilled about playing in England with Manchester City. I believe the Premier League is one of the best competitions in the world and I want to bring success to City and win trophies for them.
"There has been a lot of speculation about me in the British and Spanish media, and I need to fully concentrate on playing for Spain in the World Cup. That is why my advisors have been dealing with City for me, so that I can have my attentions only on South Africa and playing well for my national team."
Silva, who came through the youth ranks at Valencia after joining the club at the age of 14, has not featured much at the current World Cup, playing only in Spain's opening loss to Switzerland.
City boss Roberto Mancini said: "I think that David Silva is one of the best midfielders in Europe, and I hope he will be a very important player for Manchester City. I am so pleased he is coming to us, I think he can make a big, big impact for Manchester City.
"In signing David, we are showing the world that we are bringing the best players here and that we hope to compete to win the Premier League. When players see what is happening at Manchester City and the ambition they are attracted to what we are building and want to be a part of it."
City are again expected to be highly active in the transfer market this summer and a deal for Barcelona midfielder Yaya Tour is also thought to be close. That would unite the Ivory Coast international with his brother Kolo, the City captain.
Silva will undergo a medical and the transfer will be formally completed once his involvement in South Africa is over.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/30/david-silva-manchester-city-valencia
City should be making a case for the prem this season.....
while over in Stretford,Manchester we cannot buy a free Joe Cole
I'll still bet we finish higher than City ;D
Post by: Marcos on June 30, 2010, 07:45:00 AM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on June 30, 2010, 09:36:50 AM
Small Mag allyuh eh have nuttin to worry about. I am a big United hater, but have to say, Fergie always gets the most out of his players. All they need is a winger, and hold onto Vidic and allyuh good. Maybe a trequartista too, but not as essential in the English game i think.
I dont think we need a winger
We have Nani and Valencia as the main 2.... Obertan,Park and even Giggs ... Wazza can play there if needed but we have enough depth there
We have enough CM'S but all are either defensive or deep lying playmakers.. we dont have an attacking midfielder..a creative spark in the team other than Rooney but Rooney plays up top alone so he cannot drop deep because we'll have no height in the attack...not height as in being tall but as in shape on the field......Berba can be a creative spark but I think we need a midfielder who can play off of Fletcher and Hargo/Scholes and create opportunities for the wingers and Wazza...example Modric or Ozil would be ideal... but I would take Joe Cole anyday(plus he's free)
and yes holding onto Vidic is vital..If he wants to leave then he can go..30+ million please and Fergie will find a replacement
Post by: dinho on June 30, 2010, 09:49:18 AM
Joe Cole gone thru since that injury, kinda sorry to see him go but business is business and he not starting on Chelsea side but he want big paper... thats why its no really big concern to lose him to a rival cause he's not the Joe Cole of 2 years ago, I think he'll go the way of Damien Duff.
I looking to see what man utd do in the transfer market, but if they don't spend they gone thru this year.. Men like Scholes, Giggs and Neville are way past their sell by date now but Ferguson will still want to give them a bligh. Ferdinand health looking shaky and Rooney need help plus Berbatov in a mess.
And if yuh really hinging yuh hopes on a first-year-in-the-EPL Mexican then good luck with that. Instant success simply never happens for latin players in the EPL (especially small ones playing forward) and i doubt i'll be proven wrong.
With Arsenal losing Fabregas, Man Utd in a state, Liverpool in a mess, the side to watch this year might be Man City.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on June 30, 2010, 09:55:38 AM
Thats what Man Utd come to? Diving in for Chelsea scraps?
Joe Cole gone thru since that injury, kinda sorry to see him go but business is business and he not starting on Chelsea side but he want big paper... thats why its no really big concern to lose him to a rival cause he's not the Joe Cole of 2 years ago, I think he'll go the way of Damien Duff.
I looking to see what man utd do in the transfer market, but if they don't spend they gone thru this year.. Men like Scholes, Giggs and Neville are way past their sell by date now but Ferguson will still want to give them a bligh. Ferdinand health looking shaky and Rooney need help plus Berbatov in a mess.
And if yuh really hinging yuh hopes on a first-year-in-the-EPL Mexican then good luck with that. Instant success simply never happens for latin players in the EPL (especially small ones playing forward) and i doubt i'll be proven wrong.
With Arsenal losing Fabregas, Man Utd in a state, Liverpool in a mess, the side to watch this year might be Man City.
I agree with most parts...but we will not be depending on Chicarito to win us trophies...he is there to help the forward line...most United fans cant understand why Fergie will not buy a CAM to play behind Rooney as there is none in the team...he uses Giggs and Park in that position which at times did well but most times were not as good...
Also Joe Cole is still a boss...some of the Chelsea players have come out and said they cant believe he's been let go...wherever he goes he'll be a boss....
but your right If we dont buy at least 1 more and fail to keep hold of Vidic then Chelsea and City will be the favourites in my opinion
but we wont make it easy...so beware
Post by: Marcos on June 30, 2010, 11:37:42 AM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on June 30, 2010, 09:25:12 PM
anyway...dinho check this:
Hernandez puts foot down
Fifa has officially announced that Mexico and new Manchester United striker Javier Hernandez is the fastest player at the World Cup in South Africa, with a top speed of 19.97mph. That compares with Usain Bolt's average speed of 23mph when running 100m in 9.58sec.
I thought he was quick...didnt know he was the fastest at the cup lol
Post by: dinho on July 01, 2010, 07:33:18 AM
Marcos, it's beyond me why United didnt include Wesley in the Ronaldo deal...even Robben too..at that point they were both on their way out... both went on to have massive seasons
anyway...dinho check this:
Hernandez puts foot down
Fifa has officially announced that Mexico and new Manchester United striker Javier Hernandez is the fastest player at the World Cup in South Africa, with a top speed of 19.97mph. That compares with Usain Bolt's average speed of 23mph when running 100m in 9.58sec.
I thought he was quick...didnt know he was the fastest at the cup lol
yeah, i really didnt realize he was that fast either.
he still eh passing Carvalho though lol..
Post by: FireBrand on July 02, 2010, 10:58:53 AM
Skysports.com
Israel midfielder joins from Liverpool on three-year deal
Chelsea have confirmed the signing of Yossi Benayoun on a three-year contract from Liverpool.
The Israel international has spent the past three years at Anfield, having previously spent time with West Ham.
He is a proven Premier League performer who possesses the skill to unlock defences, although he was not always a regular starter with the Reds.
Benayoun admitted towards the end of last season that his future was far from certain and speculation has steadily been mounting over a move to Stamford Bridge.
The Blues have now snapped up the 30-year-old for an undisclosed amount believed to be in the region of 5million.
Happy
Manager Carlo Ancelotti is thrilled to have bolstered his attacking options with the acquisition of the versatile Benayoun, having allowed playmaker Joe Cole and midfielder Michael Ballack to leave at the end of their contracts.
"We are happy to have this new player," Ancelotti told Chelsea's official website.
"Yossi has a lot of quality in midfield and can play in lots of positions. I like his behaviour on the pitch and he will do a great job for us next season."
Benayoun also expressed his delight at finalising the move and set his sights on a productive spell with the club.
"I am very excited to come to a club like Chelsea, it is a big club and I think it is a dream for every player," he said.
"Hopefully we will be successful."
Post by: FireBrand on July 02, 2010, 11:11:19 AM
Skysports.com
Al-Muhammadi joins on season-long loan
Sunderland have completed their third signing of the summer after landing Egypt international Ahmed Al-Muhammadi on a season-long loan.
The Black Cats agreed a deal with ENPPI for the 22-year-old's services earlier this week and he has now joined after passing a routine medial.
The 42-cap international is the club's third capture of the close season following the arrivals of Cruz Azul's Cristian Riveros and Belgian keeper Simon Mignolet.
Sunderland have the option of securing Al-Muhammadi's signature permanently next summer should he impress in his debut campaign in England's top flight.
He began his career with hometown club Ghazl El-Mehalla, making his first-team debut for the Farmers aged just 17 before moving to Cairo-based ENPPI in 2006.
Delighted
Black Cats boss Steve Bruce has expressed his delighted at capturing the Egypt international, stating he has been a long-term target for the club.
"We're delighted to get the deal done," said Bruce. "Ahmed is a player we've been aware of for a long time and we know exactly what he will bring to the squad.
"His pace and direct style will be an asset to us and give the team an extra dimension on the right-hand side.
"At only 22 he is already an experienced international, which will serve him well as he adjusts to life in the Premier League.
"I expect it will take him time to settle but Ahmed is a player who can have a big impact in this division and we welcome him to the club."
Post by: giggsy11 on July 02, 2010, 12:58:31 PM
Balotelli 'happy' with Gunners interest
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Mario Balotelli is flattered by Arsenal's reported interest, with Manchester City also said to be tracking the Inter Milan striker's situation.
The highly-rated 19-year-old is said to be a target of Arsene Wenger's side as well as a number of other European clubs.
Balotelli - who hit the headlines for his spats with former manager Jose Mourinho - insisted he was happy that Rafa Benitez had been installed as Inter manager following his departure from Liverpool.
However, he couldn't hide his delight at being subject to speculation, with former Nerazzurri and Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini also believed to be keen on his services.
"I'm ready for Benitez and I'm happy that he has talked well of me," said the Italy Under-21 international.
"But I'm happy also that Arsenal likes me. Staying at Inter? Now let's see. Roberto Mancini? He gave me my debut in Serie A."
He laughed off suggestions of a city switch to rivals AC, adding: "Go to Milan? Of course not!"
Balotelli's agent has played down suggestions of an impending deal, revealing that Benitez does not want to part company with the front man.
Mino Raiola told Radio Radio tv: "I spoke with Inter, which has a project. I don't think Balotelli is on the market but I don't know if they want (him to) play."
I fear for Balotelli under Rafa. He might end up just like that boy the black dutch foward for pool who got stuck out on the winger. The boy can't see his way. Not sure how good of a communicator Rafa is with young talent or developer.
Post by: Marcos on July 02, 2010, 02:32:02 PM
W. Sneijder on the radar too.
The price on dat is probably sky high now. Treble + WC?
Post by: dinho on July 02, 2010, 09:06:04 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/8783455.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/8783455.stm)
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/48237000/jpg/_48237420_toure466282getty.jpg)
Manchester City have signed midfielder Yaya Toure from Barcelona on a five-year deal for a fee of about 24m.
The 27-year-old, who played for Ivory Coast at this summer's World Cup, was told he was surplus to requirements at the Catalan club last week.
"This is another fantastic signing for Manchester City," manager Roberto Mancini told the club's website.
Toure's arrival follows deals for Spain midfielder David Silva and Germany defender Jerome Boateng.
The transfer fee for Toure, who will enjoy a three-week break before joining his new team-mates for pre-season training, takes the club's summer outlay to about 60m - still some way short of last season's 120m spending spree.
The younger brother of City captain Kolo, Yaya Toure complained in December of a lack of playing time at La Liga champions Barcelona, telling BBC Sport he was keen to play in "100% of games."
However, Mancini backed Toure to help City build on last season's fifth-place finish in the Premier League.
"Everyone knows Yaya is a player that we have admired for a long time," added Mancini.
"We would like to welcome him to Manchester City. He has played at the top level with Barcelona and I am sure his experience and ability will be very important for us."
Toure played every minute of Ivory Coast's World Cup campaign and scored in the 3-0 victory against North Korea, but was unable to prevent them from exiting at the group stages - albeit from a group that also contained Brazil and Portugal.
And that disappointment came on the back of a frustrating season at Barcelona, where he lost his place as the team's holding midfielder to Sergio Busquets and played the full 90 minutes only nine times in the 38-game league season.
Post by: D.H.W on July 06, 2010, 05:10:21 PM
Roman Abramovich has travelled to South Africa in the hope of persuading Liverpool striker Fernando Torres to join Chelsea this summer, according to the Telegraph.
The Chelsea owner is confident that a bid of around 35 million will be enough to persuade cash-strapped Liverpool to sell the Spanish striker, but should the Merseyside club reject the offer Abramovich is willing to spend up to 50 million on the former Atltico Madrid man.
The Russian billionaire flew to South Africa hoping to meet with Torres agent Juan Antonio Martin in a bid to show how serious he is about taking the Liverpool striker to Stamford Bridge this summer, with a source close to the deal telling the Telegraph the Chelsea owner is pushing very hard to complete the deal.
But the 50 million Chelsea are willing to offer for Torres may not be enough to grab the attention of Anfield executives who value Torres at around 75 million.
Should Chelsea not meet the demands set out by Liverpool then Manchester City will step in and try and lure Torres to Eastlands, though a deal would be doubtful with the Spanish international unlikely to move to a club without Champions League football.
It is believed Torres has become frustrated with the situation at Anfield after his calls to add four or five top-class players this summer were ignored, with more quality talent expected to leave Anfield than what will come in.
The Spaniard has already spoke briefly with new Reds boss Roy Hodgson over the phone but will look to meet him following the World Cup before making any decision over his future at Anfield.
Argentina captain Javier Mascherano has already said that his future may lie elsewhere and a potential move to Inter Milan to rejoin Rafael Bentez may be on the cards should the Italian giants meet the asking price for the defensive midfielder.
Captain Steven Gerrards future is also in doubt with the Liverpool and England midfielder yet to state his intentions after a disappointing World Cup in South Africa. It is believed Real Madrid are interested in the Liverpool skipper but Jos Mourinho is prioritising other targets ahead of the 30-year-old.
http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2010/07/roman-abramovic-fernando-torres-chelsea/
Post by: giggsy11 on July 06, 2010, 06:36:37 PM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on July 06, 2010, 08:32:44 PM
Fergie already workin my last nerve with him thinking all the side need is a striker. We still have no creative midfielder, no left sided winger. To many right sided wingers, to many defensive midfielders. And berbasoft still on the books. I get the sense Fergie waitin tuh ride out in the sun because he knows the money dried up. I will think otherwise when we actually sign a proven footballer who is ready to contribute to the success of the team. The team last year was boring and one demensional; don't see anything that has been done to improve on ir change that.
we've been heavily linked with Sneijder today...25 million pounds
And De Zeeuw(Holland defender) came out and said he thinks he'll be a perfect fit at United
Doubt it will happen but one can hope....
If not raid Spurs for Modric or try and get Ozil...
Post by: triniairman on July 07, 2010, 03:18:41 PM
I can't see that Modric deal happening.Fergie already workin my last nerve with him thinking all the side need is a striker. We still have no creative midfielder, no left sided winger. To many right sided wingers, to many defensive midfielders. And berbasoft still on the books. I get the sense Fergie waitin tuh ride out in the sun because he knows the money dried up. I will think otherwise when we actually sign a proven footballer who is ready to contribute to the success of the team. The team last year was boring and one demensional; don't see anything that has been done to improve on ir change that.
we've been heavily linked with Sneijder today...25 million pounds
And De Zeeuw(Holland defender) came out and said he thinks he'll be a perfect fit at United
Doubt it will happen but one can hope....
If not raid Spurs for Modric or try and get Ozil...
Post by: JERSEY TRINI on July 14, 2010, 07:34:49 AM
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on July 14, 2010, 08:54:12 AM
So I just heard that this morning an a smile because I will get a chance to see this man play. My question to those out there is what do you guys think about his move and it make a difference for this league?
It improves the redbulls on paper, as for the league it has pottential to possibly draw the attention of a few notable players. Not sure it will actually prompt them to consider coming to MLS doh.
Post by: triniairman on July 14, 2010, 09:10:18 AM
Iconic striker moves to the MLS
Thierry Henry has joined Major League Soccer outfit New York Red Bulls from Barcelona on a multi-year contract.
The France striker leaves the Catalan giants on a free transfer following three years at Camp Nou despite still having 12 months left on his contract.
The former Arsenal captain becomes another major footballing name to sign for an American club, following in the footsteps of David Beckham at LA Galaxy.
The move had been touted for several months following Henry's lack of first-team action with Barcelona, but had to be delayed until after the World Cup, where France suffered a humiliating exit at the group stage.
Henry is likely to make his debut for Red Bulls against Tottenham on 22nd July and the 32-year-old is looking forward to his new challenge.
Exciting new chapter
"This marks an exciting new chapter in my career and life," Henry told the club's official website.
"It is an honour to play for the New York Red Bulls. I am fully aware of the team's history and my sole goal during my time here is to help win the club its first championship.
"Knowing Red Bull's significant commitment to soccer locally and internationally, I am confident that my team-mates and I will succeed."
Red Bull New York's general manager and sporting director Erik Soler added: "Thierry is not only a world-class player who will undoubtedly improve our squad, but he has shown most importantly throughout his career that he is a winner.
"He has made it clear to us that he is committed in the short and long term to help in our vision of making our organisation the premium franchise in Major League Soccer."
Dietmar Beiersdorfer, Head of Red Bull Global Soccer, continued: "It is without question that Thierry Henry is one of the most successful and recognisable soccer players over the past 15 years.
"We are thrilled that Thierry has decided to come to New York to help the Red Bulls compete for championships this year and for years to come. His international pedigree is second to none and he is a proven winner."
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11833_6260130,00.html
Post by: Andre on July 14, 2010, 09:14:32 AM
this might make them worth looking at.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4135/4793001833_27a030242c.jpg)
http://footballfashion.org/wordpress/2010/07/14/video-thierry-henry-joins-the-new-york-red-bulls/
Post by: JERSEY TRINI on July 14, 2010, 09:54:21 AM
So I just heard that this morning an a smile because I will get a chance to see this man play. My question to those out there is what do you guys think about his move and it make a difference for this league?
It improves the redbulls on paper, as for the league it has pottential to possibly draw the attention of a few notable players. Not sure it will actually prompt them to consider coming to MLS doh.
I here you, because the reality is that not to many Euro based players will wont to come especially if they can't get decent money, but I think it's a good step especially if the quality of play improves throughout the league.
Post by: Trinimassive on July 14, 2010, 10:15:28 AM
(http://soccernet-assets.espn.go.com/design05/images/2010/0714/thierryhenryfrance20100622_275x155.jpg)
Thierry Henry is France's all-time record goalscorer
Forum: Is MLS a good place to retire?
Adams: Better than Beckham?
Henry - a member of the France World Cup squad that returned home in disgrace from South Africa - has joined the MLS side on a "multi-year contract" in one of the biggest coups for the league in its history.
"This marks an exciting new chapter in my career and life," Henry said. "It is an honour to play for the New York Red Bulls. I am fully aware of the team's history and my sole goal during my time here is to help win the club its first championship. Knowing Red Bull's significant commitment to soccer locally and internationally, I am confident that my team-mates and I will succeed."
The 32-year-old is France's all-time record goalscorer having scored 51 times for les Bleus and he also broke Ian Wright's record for Arsenal, scoring 226 goals between 1999 and 2007 as he cemented his reputation as one of the finest players in world football.
Henry was an integral member of the Arsenal side that went the season unbeaten in 2003-04 and won two league titles and three FA Cups during his time in North London. He was also named Footballer of the Year on three separate occasions.
Henry joined Barcelona in the summer of 2007 and helped the club secure the treble in 2009 when they defeated Manchester United in the final of the Champions League, scoring 25 goals in all competitions for the Catalans. However, last season he struggled to win a place in Pep Guardiola's side, making just 15 league starts as Barca retained the Spanish league title.
"It is without question that Thierry Henry is one of the most successful and recognisable soccer players over the past 15 years," Dietmar Beiersdorfer, head of Red Bull Global Soccer, said. "We are thrilled that Thierry has decided to come to New York to help the Red Bulls compete for championships this year and for years to come. His international pedigree is second to none and he is a proven winner."
Henry now opens a new chapter in his career by moving to MLS and will be presented as a Red Bulls player in a press conference on July 15. When his international transfer certificate is safely received, Henry will be able to make his debut against Arsenal's bitter rivals, Tottenham, in a friendly fixture on July 22.
Post by: Dutty on July 14, 2010, 11:40:07 AM
Post by: Trinimassive on July 14, 2010, 12:00:26 PM
MLS becomming a quality retirement village in troot
They doing much better though they getting quality at ah earlier age
Becks at 32 joined
Henry at 32 joined
Back when they just started they had players like Matthaus who was about 40.
Post by: E-man on July 14, 2010, 12:02:42 PM
Post by: Babalawo on July 14, 2010, 12:07:35 PM
Post by: Blue on July 14, 2010, 01:13:21 PM
Post by: futbolfan on July 14, 2010, 01:15:04 PM
when the MLS gets some star in their prime, we'll take them seriously
Landon Donovan :-\
Post by: fish on July 14, 2010, 01:48:13 PM
when the MLS gets some star in their prime, we'll take them seriously
Buh he could still tear up
Post by: MEP on July 14, 2010, 01:50:53 PM
when the MLS gets some star in their prime, we'll take them seriously
Understand that this is a business decision. Henry still has a couple of good years left so both in terms of marketing and on-field production he has added to the value of the team and the MLS. So all ah allyuh who eh takin dem seriously now will be wondering in about 5 years or so..why the MLS get so big.
Post by: davyjenny1 on July 14, 2010, 02:21:23 PM
Post by: Jayerson on July 14, 2010, 02:22:54 PM
Post by: spideybuff on July 15, 2010, 06:33:24 AM
Plus, he semi-retired too and he could find nuff transvestite down there :-)
Post by: Spursy on July 15, 2010, 02:08:54 PM
Brazil right-back Maicon is reported to be a target for Real Madrid this summer, while Manchester United and Manchester City are reportedly interested in signing Italian striker Balotelli.
But Nerazzurri sporting director Marco Branca insists Inter - who last season clinched a Serie A, Coppa Italia and Champions League treble - have no plans to part company with either player.
He told the club's official website: "We are in a privileged situation, having won so much.
"It's true that we receive calls each day because everyone wants at least six or seven of our champions.
"Maicon and Balotelli? Our two players have never been placed on the transfer market.
"When and if there are offers, we will examine them but they are not for sale.
"How much is Balotelli worth? He is priceless."
See how much Mario means to INter? Now, what about the racism you guys were ranting about?? MARIO IS ITALIAN.
Post by: College on July 17, 2010, 05:11:12 PM
Post by: weary1969 on July 17, 2010, 05:11:53 PM
Post by: College on July 17, 2010, 05:14:46 PM
Me mum will learn from teets.
or he could teach teets to play some defense
Post by: weary1969 on July 17, 2010, 05:19:50 PM
Me mum will learn from teets.
or he could teach teets to play some defense
Yeah dat 2
Post by: D.H.W on July 17, 2010, 06:03:47 PM
Hearing the rumors ... .. well Henry already on the east coast and maybe Ronaldinho on the west coast.
interesting
Post by: dinho on July 28, 2010, 08:31:40 AM
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Derby-to-battle-Bristol-City-and-Burnley-for-Wigan-striker-Jason-Scotland-article538397.html
Post by: elan on July 28, 2010, 12:47:08 PM
Senna: It is an honour to be linked with Barcelona
By Soccernet staff
Marcos Senna says that he is honoured to be linked to Barcelona, as the Spanish champions look to replace midfielder Yaya Toure.
Marcos Senna is a crucial figure for Villarreal
Senna, who missed out on the Spain squad that lifted the 2010 World Cup, was one of the stars of the team that won the European Championships in 2008 and has been linked with a move away from Villarreal.
"It is my honour and a dream that Barca think of me," he told Mundo Deportivo. Although Senna added that: "for now there is nothing.''
After eight seasons at Villarreal, the 34-year-old is keen to secure a move to one of Europe's elite and his representative Eli Coimbra believes that the club would not stand in his way if he requested a move.
"I'm sure that if Barca talks with Villarreal, the officials shall not obstruct the exit,'' he said. ''In these eight years, Senna never had any problems at the club, in contrast, has always been very professional and to go to Barca would be a unique opportunity.''
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on July 28, 2010, 01:26:51 PM
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Arsenal-transfer-news-Gunners-turn-to-10m-Germany-star-Per-Mertsacker-to-solve-defensive-crisis-after-Sol-Campbell-opts-to-join-Newcastle-article538459.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Arsenal-transfer-news-Gunners-turn-to-10m-Germany-star-Per-Mertsacker-to-solve-defensive-crisis-after-Sol-Campbell-opts-to-join-Newcastle-article538459.html)
Post by: fari on July 28, 2010, 06:37:05 PM
Mertesacker to Arsenal?
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Arsenal-transfer-news-Gunners-turn-to-10m-Germany-star-Per-Mertsacker-to-solve-defensive-crisis-after-Sol-Campbell-opts-to-join-Newcastle-article538459.html (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Arsenal-transfer-news-Gunners-turn-to-10m-Germany-star-Per-Mertsacker-to-solve-defensive-crisis-after-Sol-Campbell-opts-to-join-Newcastle-article538459.html)
i like this dude...vermaelen could be the mobile defender and mertesacker go win all the high balls. koscielny as back up...djourou...still not sure about his fitness or confidence.
Post by: Andre on July 30, 2010, 10:33:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/QmnSR0LwiS8
Post by: dinho on August 02, 2010, 03:43:47 PM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6289011,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6289011,00.html)
Defender Rafael Marquez has signed with Major League Soccer's New York Red Bulls, two days after he was released by Barcelona.
The 31-year-old Mexican national team captain joins former Barcelona teammate Thierry Henry at the Red Bulls. Henry made his MLS debut Saturday at Houston, forming an impressive attacking partnership with Juan Pablo Angel.
Marquez joins Angel and Henry to give the Red Bulls three high-priced designated players not subject to the league's salary budget.
Marquez is to be introduced at a news conference Tuesday at Red Bull Arena in Harrison, New Jersey.
Post by: andre samuel on August 05, 2010, 05:47:39 AM
The Reds have been linked with a move for a new shot-stopper with boss Roy Hodgson believed to be keen on providing more back-up for No.1 Pepe Reina.
He has now turned his sights on Boro keeper Jones, who will miss the opening day of the Championship season through suspension.
Australia international Jones missed this summer's World Cup finals as he had to leave the Socceroos squad after his son was diagnosed with leukaemia.
Jones has been with Boro throughout pre-season, but Danny Coyne will start against Ipswich on Saturday because of the Australian's ban.
But it now seems Jones could already have played his last game for Boro, with Liverpool having made a firm bid for the 28-year-old.
Another benefit for Liverpool would be that Jones, who is a product of the North East club's famed academy, qualifies as a home-grown player under Premier League rules.
Boro are now believed to be considering their options as, if they did sell, they would have to go out and sign a new keeper.
Crystal Palace's highly-rated keeper Julian Speroni has already been linked as a possible replacement.
I didnt want to be the only one who get shake............lol
Post by: injunchile on August 05, 2010, 05:53:12 AM
Post by: 100% Barataria on August 05, 2010, 06:06:55 AM
Post by: Bakes on August 05, 2010, 06:44:23 AM
This come like when there was some UK yute name Whitley who keep gehin linked to xfers people thought was Otis, now you come wid dis, yuh like nonsense eh :beermug:
Ah get all kinda ketch.... Lol@injunchile
Post by: kicker on August 05, 2010, 06:59:56 AM
;D
Post by: D.H.W on August 05, 2010, 07:42:57 AM
Post by: dinho on August 05, 2010, 07:43:03 AM
Post by: andre samuel on August 05, 2010, 07:48:20 AM
ah love it!!
Post by: Intru on August 05, 2010, 01:01:27 PM
Post by: Peong on August 07, 2010, 12:14:44 PM
Scotland set for Town switch
Tractor Boys agree fee for Latics striker
Skysports.com understands Jason Scotland will become an Ipswich Town player on Monday.
Skysports.com revealed on Friday the Wigan Athletic striker was on Roy Keane's radar with the Tractor Boys boss keen to bolster his attacking options before the end of the month.
And it seems the Championship outfit, who dispatched promotion favourites Middlesbrough on the opening weekend of the season, are set to land the 31-year-old forward after agreeing a 1million fee for the former Swansea Cityman.
Scotland endured a torrid first season in the Premier League last year after following former Swans boss Roberto Martinez to the DW Stadium.
The Trinidad and Tobago international found the net just twice in 36 appearances for the Latics and Martinez appears ready to part ways with the powerful marksman.
It is thought Scotland, who had one year remaining on his current deal with Wigan, will complete the move to Portman Road in the next 48 hours.
The ex-Dundee United and St Johnstone forward could be available for Ipswich's next fixture against Exeter in the Carling Cup on Tuesday if a deal can be tied up in the coming days.
Post by: Cocorite on August 07, 2010, 04:46:03 PM
Post by: chelsealife on August 09, 2010, 05:05:47 PM
Post by: kingdavid on August 11, 2010, 06:17:52 AM
The move will see Carvalho reunited with former Blues boss Jose Mourinho after working with the defender at Stamford Bridge and Porto.
The 32-year-old's future at Stamford Bridge has been the subject of speculation for some time with Carvalho revealing earlier this summer he would jump at the chance of moving to El Santiago Bernabeu.
The Portugal international will now travel to Spain to hold talks and undergo a medical at the Spanish giants before signing a two-year deal.
"Chelsea Football Club can confirm it has agreed terms with Real Madrid for the transfer of Ricardo Carvalho," a Chelsea statement read.
Personal terms
"The transfer is subject to a medical and the player agreeing personal terms.
"Chelsea would like to thank Riccy for his six years of service, and we wish him well in his future career."
A Madrid statement read: "Real Madrid CF and FC Chelsea have reached an agreement for the transfer of Ricardo Carvalho.
"The player will be linked to Real Madrid CF the next two seasons."
The Portuguese centre-back was brought to Chelsea alongside Mourinho from Porto in 2004 after he took over at Stamford Bridge and went on to become a mainstay alongside John Terry in defence helping the Blues will three Premier League titles during his time at Stamford Bridge.
Chelsea have now decided to let Carvalho move on and it will fuel speculation that Blues boss Carlo Ancelotti has lined up a replacement for Carvalho with Benfica's David Luiz strongly linked with a move to West London.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6305011,00.html
Post by: dinho on August 13, 2010, 01:09:48 PM
http://www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10268~2121853,00.html (http://www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10268~2121853,00.html)
Chelsea Football Club is delighted to announce we have completed the signing of Brazilian international Ramires from Benfica on a four-year contract.
The midfielder was granted a work permit on Thursday and finalised his medical in London on Friday afternoon.
Ramires was delighted to complete the deal, and while he will not feature in Saturday's game against West Bromwich Albion, will link up with the rest of the squad for training next week.
'Every player in the world would love to play for Chelsea and it's a great opportunity that was given to me, I will give my best to repay this chance, and I am very happy,' he said.
Manager Carlo Ancelotti added: 'He is a fantastic player, a fantastic midfielder, he is very young and will be the future of the Brazilian national team, and I hope he will be the future of Chelsea.'
Ramires Santos do Nascimento joins us after one season with Benfica, in which he helped them storm to the Liga Sagres title, five points clear of Braga in second place.
During that campaign, the 23-year-old midfielder, born on March 24, 1987, made 26 league appearances, scoring four times including a last-minute winner against Vitoria Guimaraes on his debut.
Rio-born Ramires signed for Benfica from Cruzeiro, on the day he earned his first call-up to the full Brazil squad for the 2009 Confederations Cup, a tournament they easily won, and he went on to help them qualify for the World Cup.
Picked in Dunga's 23-man squad, he appeared in four of their five matches but was suspended for the 2-1 defeat to Holland in the quarter-finals after accumulating two yellow cards. His only start was against Chile in the first knockout round, and so far he has 17 caps, most recently against USA in midweek.
Comfortable in either the centre or the right of midfield, he spent just over two seasons in Belo Horizonte with Cruzeiro, whom he joined from Joinville in 2007, and became a state champion appearing in 61 league matches and scoring 10 times.
Post by: D.H.W on August 13, 2010, 03:19:46 PM
(http://cdn.thesportreview.com/images/balocity.jpg)
Manchester City have confirmed the signing of Inter Milan striker Mario Balotelli on a five-year deal.
The Italian foward, 20, has long been linked with a move to Eastlands and the final deal is believed to be in the region of 24 million.
City manager Roberto Mancini said: I think that Mario is one of the best players of his age in Europe, and I very happy to be working with him again.
His style of play will suit the Premier League, and because he is still so young there is a big chance for him to improve. He is a strong and exciting player, and City fans will enjoy watching him.
Balotelli has scored 28 goals for Inter since making his debut in December 2007, but a well-documented fall out with Jos Mourinho saw the strikers San Siro future come under constant speculation.
His arrival looks certain to see Craig Bellamy leave the club after Mancini told the Welshman he is free to leave. Fulham have expressed their interest in the forward however it is believed that his preferred move will be to Tottenham.
Citys summer spending has now passed the 100 million mark and it is set to continue to rise with Mancinis continued interest in Aston Villa midfielder James Milner.
http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2010/08/mario-balotelli-joins-manchester-city/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Post by: Peong on August 13, 2010, 04:47:19 PM
Post by: kingdavid on August 17, 2010, 01:40:03 PM
The 21-year-old shot to fame with Germany at this summer's World Cup and Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson admitted his interest in the playmaker, whose contract in his homeland was due to expire in 12 months.
However, Ferguson has been beaten to the signature by old rival Jose Mourinho, who is now in charge at Real, after an undisclosed fee was agreed.
Bremen rejected an initial bid of under 10million from Real, much to the disappointment of Ozil, but it was then reported in Spain on Monday that an 11.5m fee was all but agreed.
Real have now confirmed the deal, with a short statement on their website reading: "Real Madrid and Werder Bremen have reached an agreement for the transfer of Mesut Ozil."
Bremen had forced Real to rush due to the intent of the Bundesliga club's manager, Klaus Allofs, to play Ozil in Wednesday's UEFA Champions League qualifier against Sampdoria.
The youngster would therefore have been cup-tied for Real and Mourinho understandably wanted to avoid that scenario.
Ozil joins fellow Germany international Sami Khedira at the Bernabeu as Mourinho continues to reshape his inherited squad after arriving from European champions Inter Milan at the end of last season.
Post by: Marcos on August 18, 2010, 09:10:09 AM
Where Balotelli, Milner, Barry, Silva, Tevez, Ade fitting into this side?
Post by: Mad Scorpion a/k/a Big Bo$$ on August 18, 2010, 10:16:18 AM
Seriously,
Where Balotelli, Milner, Barry, Silva, Tevez, Ade fitting into this side?
Good problem to have except for the egos
Post by: D.H.W on August 18, 2010, 10:22:12 AM
Seriously,
Where Balotelli, Milner, Barry, Silva, Tevez, Ade fitting into this side?
Good problem to have except for the egos
i see Tevez threatening to quit, and Balotelli playing shit for spite. 2 head cases
Post by: mukumsplau on August 18, 2010, 11:12:13 AM
Seriously,
Where Balotelli, Milner, Barry, Silva, Tevez, Ade fitting into this side?
level rock scissors paper dis year..we'll definately see some departures in d winter window
Post by: Andre on August 18, 2010, 12:55:06 PM
look at this f*cking team rostr nah!
source: mcfc.co.uk
Goalkeepers
David Gonzales (COL)
Shay Given (IRL)
Joe Hart (ENG)
Gunnar Nielsen (FAR)
Stuart Taylor (ENG)
Defenders
Aleksandar Kolarov (SERB)
Dedryck Boyata (BEL)
Greg Cunningham (IRE)
Javan Vidal (ENG)
Jerome Boateng (GER)
Joleon Lescott (ENG)
Wayne Bridge (ENG)
Shaleum Logan (ENG)
Nedum Onuoha * (ENG)
Micah Richards (ENG)
Kolo Toure (CIV)
Pablo Zabaleta (ARG)
Midfielders
Abdisalam Ibrahim (NOR)
Adam Johnson (ENG)
David Silva (ESP)
Gareth Barry (ENG)
James Milner (ENG)
Patrick Vieira (FRA)
Yaya Toure (CIV)
Nigel de Jong (NED)
Kelvin Etuhu (NGR)
Michael Johnson (ENG)
Vincent Kompany (BEL)
Vladimir Weiss (SVK)
Shaun Wright-Phillips (ENG)
Strikers
Emmanuel Adebayor (TGO)
Craig Bellamy (WAL)
Mario Balotelli (It)
Felipe Caicedo (ECU)
J (BRA)
Alex Tchuimeni-Nimely (ENG)
Robinho (BRA)
Roque Santa Cruz (PRY)
Carlos Tevez (ARG)
Post by: D.H.W on August 18, 2010, 01:47:34 PM
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on August 18, 2010, 01:54:43 PM
they just get james milner from villa and send stevie ireland the other way.
look at this f*cking team rostr nah!
source: mcfc.co.uk
Goalkeepers
David Gonzales (COL)
Shay Given (IRL)
Joe Hart (ENG)
Gunnar Nielsen (FAR)
Stuart Taylor (ENG)
Defenders
Aleksandar Kolarov (SERB)
Dedryck Boyata (BEL)
Greg Cunningham (IRE)
Javan Vidal (ENG)
Jerome Boateng (GER)
Joleon Lescott (ENG)
Wayne Bridge (ENG)
Shaleum Logan (ENG)
Nedum Onuoha * (ENG)
Micah Richards (ENG)
Kolo Toure (CIV)
Pablo Zabaleta (ARG)
Midfielders
Abdisalam Ibrahim (NOR)
Adam Johnson (ENG)
David Silva (ESP)
Gareth Barry (ENG)
James Milner (ENG)
Patrick Vieira (FRA)
Yaya Toure (CIV)
Nigel de Jong (NED)
Kelvin Etuhu (NGR)
Michael Johnson (ENG)
Vincent Kompany (BEL)
Vladimir Weiss (SVK)
Shaun Wright-Phillips (ENG)
Strikers
Emmanuel Adebayor (TGO)
Craig Bellamy (WAL)
Mario Balotelli (It)
Felipe Caicedo (ECU)
J (BRA)
Alex Tchuimeni-Nimely (ENG)
Robinho (BRA)
Roque Santa Cruz (PRY)
Carlos Tevez (ARG)
Strong squad...I dont think Mancini is the right man and I think they have too much hotheads and big talkers in the camp.... they will finish 4th
I like Milner...upset he went there
Hart
Richards
Toure
Kompany
Kolarov
Toure
De Jong
Milner
Silva
Tevez
Balotelli
Dangerous
Post by: Marcos on August 18, 2010, 02:34:56 PM
Post by: Andre on August 18, 2010, 02:37:24 PM
And how many of these men u think could crack Real Madrid or Barca starting 11?
Yaya Toure ;)
Post by: Big Magician on August 18, 2010, 03:47:21 PM
Vladimir Weiss (SVK)
did not know he is at city...watched him at the world cup...good player
Post by: fatimarima on August 19, 2010, 04:32:35 AM
Brazil coach Mano Menezes has advised Neymar against joining Chelsea and says the teenager will benefit from staying with Santos.
It is believed Chelsea have made a 24 million offer for the forward, who recently scored on his senior debut for the Brazilian national side.
Neymar does have a release clause set in his contract to the value of 29.6 million.
Menezes hopes the 18-year-old remains in his home country at present.
Menezes said: "All understand Neymar's situation and what must be going on in his mind. But thinking about Brazilian football, his remaining with Santos would be beneficial. The team is on top and it would very good for Neymar to say with them for a longer period."
Meanwhile, the forward says he will take into account the view of his national boss and does not wish to be a substitute if he does move to England.
"I don't know if I will stay or depart but I don't wish to leave a championship team like Santos to be placed on the reserve team of Chelsea or any other foreign team," Neymar said. "It would be better to stay. I will take into consideration Mano's advice before making my decision."
Santos have been annoyed by Chelsea's approach and have threatened to report the Premier League club to FIFA for what they described as "harassment" - a charge that has been denied by Chelsea chairman Bruce Buck.
Carlo Ancelotti, the Chelsea manager, revealed last week that he would like to sign the Brazilian.
"I can only speak about his technical quality," said Ancelotti. "He is a fantastic player.
"We are interested in all the young players that come through all over the world and Neymar is one of these but this doesn't mean we have to buy this player."
Post by: fatimarima on August 19, 2010, 04:55:34 AM
TRANSFER NEWS
Chelsea set to make final 25m Neymar offer
By Harry Harris, Football Correspondent
August 18, 2010
Comment
Chelsea plan to step up their pursuit of highly-rated Brazilian striker Neymar by tabling a 25 million take-it or-leave-it offer with Santos in the next 24 hours.
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Neymar is believed to be keen on a move to Stamford Bridge
Neymar to make Chelsea decision
Carter: Neymar following famous footsteps
Live transfer blog: August 18
Representatives of Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich are currently in Brazil attempting to resolve an escalating row over the 18-year-old who recently made his debut for the Selecao.
Chelsea had a 17 million bid for Neymar rejected last month and are set to follow it up with a 25 million final offer, but that still might not be good enough as Santos are holding out for the 29.6 million buyout clause in his contract.
The Brazilian giants won't budge from their stance despite Neymar - who has publicly expressed doubts about leaving - privately informing his club that he wishes to join Chelsea.
According to Soccernet sources close to the deal, the economic rights of the player are owned by investors, who believe that they need to persuade Neymar to sign a new contract because his value has already soared to beyond his buyout price.
An insider told Soccernet: "There is a big fight still on to convince Santos to part with the player. There is strong pressure on the boy to stay.
"In the next few days we shall know one way or the other whether a deal with Chelsea can be achieved."
Chelsea have been caught up in an amazing tug-of-war for Neymar, with Santos threatening to report them to FIFA for tapping up the striker.
But the source said: "The President of Santos had dinner with agent Pini Zahavi and the people from Chelsea. How can that be tapping up?
"The boy was forced to go onto Brazilian TV to say he wants to stay with Santos, when the truth is that he wants to go to Chelsea."
Post by: Flex on August 19, 2010, 05:23:09 AM
tribalfootball.com
Sunderland boss Steve Bruce is eyeing Fulham striker Bobby Zamora.
The News of the World says Bruce needs a replacement for Kenwyne Jones, who joined Stoke last week for 8million.
He has toyed with moves for Peter Crouch, Craig Bellamy and Ghana's World Cup star Asamoah Gyan but all three deals have stumbled so far.
He has also tracked Loic Remy, the Nice striker who flew into England for talks with Stoke last week and who made his debut for France in midweek.
But Zamora's strength would be the ideal foil for Darren Bent and he has the Premier League experience to make an immediate impact at the Stadium of Light.
The 29-year-old has only two years left on his deal at Craven Cottage and a move north would potentially double his current salary.
Post by: DeSoWa on August 19, 2010, 05:40:56 PM
Seriously,
Where Balotelli, Milner, Barry, Silva, Tevez, Ade fitting into this side?
Balotelli fit in quite nicely today, scoring the winning goal for City against the side from Romania in the Europa league...he also got a yellow card for arguing ::)
Big Up!
Post by: mukumsplau on August 19, 2010, 06:55:38 PM
From CSKA's official website: "Красич перешел в Ювентус"
- Krasic moved to Juventus.
19.08.2010 19/08/2010
Today CSKA and Juventus have agreed to move to Italian club midfielder Milos Krasic CSKA. In the coming days Krasic go to Turin to sign the personal contract.
During his time at our club Krasic was twice champion of Russia, a multiple winner of the Cup and the Super, winner of the UEFA Cup.
We will always remember a great game Milosz, who often delight us his flank passes, great passes, dedication, and, of course, fantastic goals.
Thanks, Milos , and good luck in the new club!
Post by: Andre on August 20, 2010, 10:35:57 AM
LONDON, Aug 20 (Reuters) - Former Ajax, AC Milan and Juventus midfielder Edgar Davids signed a pay-as-you-play deal with English Championship (second division) club Crystal Palace on Friday after being without a club for two years.
Palace confirmed on their website that the 37-year-old former Netherlands international had trained on Friday and would be with them for their match against Ipswich on Saturday.
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Post by: Mose on August 20, 2010, 10:55:54 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/crystal_palace/8929525.stm
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/100820/sports/fbl_eng_ned_crystalpalace_davids
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Crystal Palace complete signing of Edgar Davids
Former Netherlands international midfielder Edgar Davids has joined Championship side Crystal Palace on a pay-as-you-play deal. The 37-year-old had been without a club since leaving Ajax in 2008.
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Post by: Tallman on August 20, 2010, 12:20:11 PM
BBC
Former Netherlands international midfielder Edgar Davids has joined Championship side Crystal Palace on a pay-as-you-play deal.
The 37-year-old had been without a club since leaving Ajax in 2008.
Palace had a transfer embargo lifted as they came out of administration and signed three players on Friday.
Tottenham striker Jonathan Obika, 19, and Ipswich forward Pablo Counago, 31, have both joined Davids at Selhurst Park on season-long loan deals.
"It is an exciting time for me. I want to enjoy football and show what I can do," Davids told the club website.
"We spoke to Edgar earlier in the week," said Palace manager George Burley.
"He has been training with Ajax but now it's good to see us agree terms with him."
Davids, who has also had spells with AC Milan, Juventus, Barcelona, Inter Milan and Tottenham, won 74 caps for the Netherlands.
Post by: mukumsplau on August 20, 2010, 03:25:18 PM
Post by: jai john on October 11, 2010, 12:12:01 PM
Malmo teenager Erik Kristjansson got the shock of his life when Ibrahimovic told him to pack his bags and head for Italy for a trial with the Rossoneri after the two enjoyed a kickabout at his home in Sweden.
The Swedish striker is friends with Kristjansson's architect father Gisli who helped renovate Ibrahimovic's mansion in his native Malmo. Luckily for the teenager he accompanied his dad to the house last weekend and snapped up the chance to have a kickabout with its owner Ibra who was home for a visit.
Ibrahimovic was impressed with the 16-year old's skills and was immediately on the phone to Milan.
"Zlatan came out and said, How would you like to try playing for Milan?," Gisli Kristjansson told Swedish news site The Local.
"We said, are you joking, and he said it was no joke. We couldnt believe it," added the delighted dad.
The very next morning the teenager boarded a plane destined for Italy and has spent the week training with the other talented youngsters in the famous Milan youth academy.
"It's like a fairy tale. Im a bit nervous, but football is Erik's life and as a father, how could I say no to an opportunity like this," Mr Kristjansson said.
His son Erik has been busy in his first week settling into his dormitory and taking part in training.
"Our training sessions are like the games at a very high tempo. I'm learning an incredible amount. Wherever it leads to we'll see. I hope I get to stay," Erik Kristjansson told Swedish newspaper Sydsvenskan.
"I see myself as a winger but I've also played in other positions. It's a lot of running but I've got good lungs!"
Ambitious Erik is hoping to emulate Malmo's most famous son by making his name in Italy. For now the teenager doesn't even have a return ticket home.
"I dont know when Im coming home. Hopefully never," the teenager told Sydsvenskan.
"My life is football and this is the chance of a lifetime. I didn't believe it was true when Zlatan told me I could come here. Even if this doesn't turn into anything I'll still gain a lot of experience and other clubs might become interested. My goal is to see how far I can go in football."
Pick up the phone ..
Some crab catcers can have short memories ...Dais wha we talking bout ...help out your countrymen when you can ...give ah yute ah break .... Ibra .- my man of the moment for Now .
Post by: kicker on October 11, 2010, 12:35:55 PM
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Post by: jai john on October 11, 2010, 12:56:25 PM
Post by: 1-868 on January 04, 2011, 12:12:22 PM
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/03012011/58/premier-league-report-blackburn-bid-6-2m-ronaldinho.html
Blackburn have launched a 6.2 million bid to sign former world player of the year Ronaldinho from AC Milan, according to reports.
Rovers' new owners Venky's had claimed on their Facebook and Twitter accounts that they had offered 30-year-old Brazil international Ronaldinho a two-year deal.
That was then dismissed as 'just rumours' by director Venkatesh Rao but Sky Sports News have now reported that the Blackburn owner Anuradha Desa has told them directly that a bid has been made for Milan ace.
Ronaldinho, who has six months left on his current San Siro contract, could be on the move in January after AC Milan admitted they would be prepared to sell if the price was right.
His agent and brother Roberto de Assis claimed he had been contacted by Blackburn, while Brazilian side Gremio are also planning to hold talks with the talented playmaker.
Meanwhile, Blackburn manager Steve Kean has hinted that the side are also in the running to sign David Beckham on loan from LA Galaxy.
"I think we will sign at least three, possibly four, we might have one on loan at least at this stage that is the way it is looking," he said.
"We are close to signing two, possibly three, although the third is the outsider. Hopefully talks can continue and with someone like Beckham, someone will get a good player if he comes over here."
Rao added that Venky's will back manager Kean with "quality" signings this month, with negotiations in progress.
"We are still finalising possible signings but hopefully we can come out into the press and make things clearer in a week," he said. "Discussions are still going on and meetings are going on.
"Money is not the criteria at all though - we do not mind about the money. It is about getting the right players for Blackburn Rovers and we have enough money to do that.
"We want to bring quality to Blackburn Rovers."
Blackburn are 12th in the Premier League table after a 3-0 loss at Sunderland on Saturday. Venky's controversially decided to sack boss Sam Allardyce last month.
Post by: Controversial on January 04, 2011, 12:40:51 PM
Post by: Deeks on January 04, 2011, 04:09:22 PM
please dinho, stay far away from the epl
Well, unless he wants to go to Arsenal, Chelsea, Manu or Liverpool??????
Post by: Zeppo on January 11, 2011, 03:36:05 PM
Edson Buddle has a new home as the former Los Angeles Galaxy man has signed with FC Ingolstadt in the 2. Bundesliga in Germany.
The World Cup veteran joined the team on Monday, completed a physical and was introduced to the media on Monday night. His contract with Ingolstadt will run until summer 2012 and he will start practicing with the team on Tuesday.
"Since we were searching for a striker who can start immediately, he should have good chances for the starting line-up on Sunday," said Oliver Samwald, Ingolstadt's Press Officer, to YA. "We will get more impressions over the next few days - but you can definitely expect him in the squad."
(continue) (http://www.yanks-abroad.com/get.php?mode=content&id=7252)
Post by: FF on January 11, 2011, 03:47:56 PM
I once had two rabbits one name frankovich and de next one was john rossi...
one dead and den one run away
Post by: 2cents on January 11, 2011, 03:59:55 PM
Post by: ZANDOLIE on January 11, 2011, 04:49:26 PM
wooooow what's d cause for all d haterade? its football news...men who we familiar with. i remember when jamal gay went german 2nd div it had page upon page...and who cares if he from trini if thaz d argument. ppl know buddle and onyewu. at least they make it....aint know d las time i hear a trini player make it
Doh mind them fellas, they jes on a hateful scence. Everybody know Zeppo love T&T and does not post to run we down.
Oh and in football news...
B List WAGs: Emerging From The Shadows: From http://www.kickette.com/
We confess that our focus here at Kickette tends towards the blingy end of the football spectrum. We like pretty, overpaid players and their only slightly less pretty but infinitely more fashionable partners/spending habits.
Lately though, it has come to our attention that an actual, gainfully employed, we get paid for writing this rubbish contingent of journalists have started publishing stories about a slightly less exotic breed of WAGs, a stratification we generally (and unkindly) refer to as B-List. B = Budget, you see.
Please note: theres no shame in falling under the discount brand of Waggery. We cant all be Victoria, Alex or Coleen. The world needs variety. Indeed, we all lust for the Louboutins, but often pick up a pair of heels at Primark. That these budget shoes fall apart before weve stepped one pleather bowed foot out the door is not the point.
Anyhoo, we would hate for you to feel that you were missing out on something, so we have handpicked a couple of these recently published Budget WAG stories for your delectation. Please read them and then tell us whether this is the type of news you would like to see more of on these hallowed pages, or whether we should actually concentrate on more important matters. Yknow. Like David Villas shoes.
First up, Scott Sinclairs lady love and Kickette fash girl nemesis Helen Flanagan, grabbed the tabloid spotlight this week for catching a bus after a night out in London.
Unable to flag down a cab (they are notoriously difficult to locate in Central London, as pointed out by the story) Flanagan and her inebriated buddy instead climbed aboard the bus (left). Oh, N23 Oxford Street Night Bus, we remember ye well. Few things are worse than the bus haul of shame post club night. We still have nightmares. We will now have nightmares on Flanagans behalf, as she doesnt seem too bothered, really. (Photo Agency/Zimbio)
Next , pneumatic model and former winner of Big Brother UK Sophie Reade (left) appeared in a Sunday tabloid after claiming via Twitter that her relationship with Manchester City player Mario Balotelli had ended because she found out he had slept with her best friend at a party they both attended at his flat. (Getty Images/Daylife)
The article continued by pointing out Balotellis previous unsuccessful attempts to remain faithful and speculating as to the construction materials used in the floor of his flat.
Say it with us everyone: Le to the Sigh.
Last, but certainly not least, David Bentleys missus made the headlines after also getting a little frisky on her Twitter feed (why do we feel this is going to be a recurring theme in our lives?). Apparently, she was unhappy with the prevarication she perceived in her husbands contract negotiations and her thoughts on the subject were deemed worthy of broadcasting to the wider world. Who knows? Maybe they were
Have we let you down by not covering these breaking stories? Or do you wish theyd never been brought to your attention? Were waiting for your thoughts. (Down the pub.)
Post by: Zeppo on January 21, 2011, 02:50:02 PM
Buddle to add firepower to Ingolstadt
Edson Buddle has a new home as the former Los Angeles Galaxy man has signed with FC Ingolstadt in the 2. Bundesliga in Germany.
The World Cup veteran joined the team on Monday, completed a physical and was introduced to the media on Monday night. His contract with Ingolstadt will run until summer 2012 and he will start practicing with the team on Tuesday.
"Since we were searching for a striker who can start immediately, he should have good chances for the starting line-up on Sunday," said Oliver Samwald, Ingolstadt's Press Officer, to YA. "We will get more impressions over the next few days - but you can definitely expect him in the squad."
(continue) (http://www.yanks-abroad.com/get.php?mode=content&id=7252)
Scored in his debut today:
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Post by: truetrini on January 21, 2011, 02:51:31 PM
Post by: TdotTrini on January 31, 2011, 03:22:03 PM
2110: Big news for Bolton, that, though it's confused the club's website editor by the look of things - news of Daniel Sturridge's arrival is accompanied by a big picture of... Danny Welbeck. Oops. :rotfl:
Post by: FF on January 31, 2011, 03:42:25 PM
2108: DONE DEAL We brought you the possibility of this back around midday, and I can confirm Daniel Sturridge has now left Chelsea for Bolton on loan until the end of the season.
2110: Big news for Bolton, that, though it's confused the club's website editor by the look of things - news of Daniel Sturridge's arrival is accompanied by a big picture of... Danny Welbeck. Oops. :rotfl:
well all black ppl does look the same... mua ha ha ha ha
(http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2011/1/31/1296508533677/Bolton-website-001.jpg)
Post by: TdotTrini on January 31, 2011, 03:55:50 PM
Post by: Blue on January 31, 2011, 04:26:34 PM
Post by: TdotTrini on January 31, 2011, 04:42:25 PM
So, as the clock ticks down to that 11pm deadline, lets have a summary of today's Premier League transfers shall we?
In:
Aston Villa (Bradley),
Birmingham (Martins),
Blackburn (Formica, Rochina),
Blackpool (Beattie, Reid),
Bolton (Sturridge),
Everton (Vellios),
Liverpool (Suarez, Thomas),
Newcastle (Ireland),
West Ham (McCallum),
Wolves (Basso)
Out: Aston Villa (Ireland, Osbourne),
Chelsea (Mellis, Nouble, Sturridge),
Fulham (Marsh-Brown),
Liverpool (Konchesky),
Man City (Gonzalez, Tuttle),
Man Utd (Stewart),
Stoke (Moult, Tuncay),
Sunderland (Da Silva, Reid),
Tottenham (Dos Santos),
West Brom (Downing),
Wigan (Nicholls),
Wolves (Davis, Keogh)
Post by: TdotTrini on January 31, 2011, 04:45:44 PM
Newcastle trying to resign NZogbia...after de man did everything he could to leave de club....desperation :rotfl: :rotfl:
2227: Shortest-lived transfer rumour of the day? Wigan chairman Dave Whelan has admitted he has turned down a bid from Newcastle - said to be around 10m - for winger Charles N'Zogbia and will resist any further bids for the Frenchman.
Post by: TdotTrini on January 31, 2011, 05:02:44 PM
2256: DONE DEAL The first of our golden trio is done, people. Liverpool have confirmed that Andy Carroll has signed for the club from Newcastle on a five-and-a-half-year deal for a club-record fee reported to be 35m.
Post by: TdotTrini on January 31, 2011, 05:12:11 PM
Chief football writer Phil McNulty on Twitter: "And Stephen Warnock may yet get his move back to Liverpool from Aston Villa after all on loan."
2305: Andy Carroll will wear the number 9 shirt at Liverpool.
Post by: Zeppo on February 05, 2011, 09:57:47 AM
Aston Villa have signed Michael Bradley on loan from Borussia Moenchengladbach until the end of the season. The 23-year-old midfielder has passed a medical and should be available to play once he has been given a visa and international clearance.
Villa say they have an option to make the United States international's move permanent at the end of the season. Manager Gerard Houllier said: "Michael is is a very hard-working midfielder who can score goals and is versatile."
(continue) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/9381393.stm)
Post by: Zeppo on August 08, 2011, 11:10:32 AM
Flamengo forward Ronaldinho says that he believes he can still make an impact for the Brazil national team.
The 31-year-old has not played for the Seleo since last November, and was not selected in Mano Menezes' squad for the friendly against Germany on Wednesday night.
However, Ronaldinho is quoted by FIFA.com as saying: "Returning to the Brazil squad is what I've been dreaming of. Physically, I'm in top form. From now until the World Cup [in 2014] a lot of things can happen, but I believe I can make a positive contribution to the national team."
(continue) (http://www.sambafoot.com/en/news/22597_ronaldinho_hopes_for_selecao_return.html)
Post by: Controversial on August 08, 2011, 11:18:48 AM
Post by: Jah Gol on August 08, 2011, 11:27:45 AM
My player.
http://www.youtube.com/v/VWulqA6jpVY&feature=feedu
1 Assist
http://www.youtube.com/v/D2g4rsnZW34&feature=feedu
1 Assist
http://www.youtube.com/v/JwGDmJbFG0E&feature=feedu
1 Goal , 1 Assist
http://www.youtube.com/v/HvxQjyYnosc&feature=channel_video_title
3 Goals , 1 Assist
Post by: asylumseeker on August 08, 2011, 11:59:50 AM
Meanwhile, I find this link amusing (http://listas.br101.org/top10-jogadores-de-futebol-brasil.html) ... imagine running a poll on who is the SECOND best Brazilian player of all time ... but I suppose that makes sense. :)
20,000 ppl have voted and I am somewhat surprised by the result ... with Ronaldinho pulling 30+% as the lead candidate for second best to Pele. (And, as one of the commentaries notes ... Ronaldo Il Fenomeno is not on the list) ???.
Post by: Jah Gol on August 18, 2011, 03:40:25 PM
(http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/media/ALeqM5icjgdkfVM0Lkp87DHjDQ9_IyxvhQ?docId=photo_1313688743707-1-0&size=l)
The playmaker's fine form at club level earns him a recall to the team for friendly against Ghana, but Maicon is left out due to injury
Ronaldinho is back on the Brazil squad for the first time since October 2010 as coach Mano Menezes has recalled the Flamengo star for the friendly against Ghana in September.
The former AC Milan ace last played for Brazil in a friendly against Argentina and since then he was often overlooked, recently missing the Copa America.
However, it seems his nine goals in 15 games for Flamengo this term has changed Menezes' stance over the playmaker.
The bulk of the squad is made up from familiar faces such as Julio Cesar, Lucio, Robinho and Pato. But Inter's Maicon is not in the team as he needs surgery to a recent injury he sustained while training for the Italian outfit.
Here is the full list of players who are expected to feature against the African side.
Goalkeepers: Julio Cesar, Fabio, Jefferson
Defenders: Daniel Alves, Thiago Silva, David Luiz, Adriano, Danilo, Dede, Lucio, Marcelo
Midfielders: Lucas Leiva, Paulo Henrique Ganso, Ronaldinho, Elias, Fernandinho, Lucas, Ralf, Luiz Gustavo
Strikers: Robinho, Neymar, Alexandre Pato, Hulk, Leandro Damiao.
The game takes place at Fulham's Craven Cottage on Sept. 5.
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/3296/brazil/2011/08/18/2625782/ronaldinho-back-in-brazil-squad-for-first-time-in-nine (http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/3296/brazil/2011/08/18/2625782/ronaldinho-back-in-brazil-squad-for-first-time-in-nine)
Post by: asylumseeker on August 18, 2011, 04:11:50 PM
Post by: Controversial on August 18, 2011, 05:21:15 PM
Ronaldinho back in Brazil squad for first time in nine months
(http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/media/ALeqM5icjgdkfVM0Lkp87DHjDQ9_IyxvhQ?docId=photo_1313688743707-1-0&size=l)
The playmaker's fine form at club level earns him a recall to the team for friendly against Ghana, but Maicon is left out due to injury
Ronaldinho is back on the Brazil squad for the first time since October 2010 as coach Mano Menezes has recalled the Flamengo star for the friendly against Ghana in September.
The former AC Milan ace last played for Brazil in a friendly against Argentina and since then he was often overlooked, recently missing the Copa America.
However, it seems his nine goals in 15 games for Flamengo this term has changed Menezes' stance over the playmaker.
The bulk of the squad is made up from familiar faces such as Julio Cesar, Lucio, Robinho and Pato. But Inter's Maicon is not in the team as he needs surgery to a recent injury he sustained while training for the Italian outfit.
Here is the full list of players who are expected to feature against the African side.
Goalkeepers: Julio Cesar, Fabio, Jefferson
Defenders: Daniel Alves, Thiago Silva, David Luiz, Adriano, Danilo, Dede, Lucio, Marcelo
Midfielders: Lucas Leiva, Paulo Henrique Ganso, Ronaldinho, Elias, Fernandinho, Lucas, Ralf, Luiz Gustavo
Strikers: Robinho, Neymar, Alexandre Pato, Hulk, Leandro Damiao.
The game takes place at Fulham's Craven Cottage on Sept. 5.
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/3296/brazil/2011/08/18/2625782/ronaldinho-back-in-brazil-squad-for-first-time-in-nine (http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/3296/brazil/2011/08/18/2625782/ronaldinho-back-in-brazil-squad-for-first-time-in-nine)
i could finally watch brazil again, i tuned out a while ago when they shaft meh boy dinho and leave him off the wc 2010 squad.
finally some creativity enters brazil's mid again 8)
Post by: Jah Gol on August 18, 2011, 06:10:56 PM
Post by: Peong on August 18, 2011, 08:20:45 PM
Post by: Trinimassive on August 18, 2011, 08:33:07 PM
Post by: Dumplingdinho on August 18, 2011, 09:27:32 PM
Post by: loyalist on August 18, 2011, 10:02:19 PM
mano looking to save his job...allyuh feel dinho could be effective in 2014?i think he could be effective man..yorke was effective for us in 2006...give him ah bligh man....honestly he really deserve he call up...he took all his criticism from the media and others...and went out and play to earn he pick...and honestly the mighty brazil is lacking creativity....and he may not be as dynamic as before...however i think he could offer spark....this might just resurect his career...This guy is a joy to watch play football....
Post by: fordy on August 18, 2011, 10:13:45 PM
Post by: Dumplingdinho on August 19, 2011, 12:39:39 AM
mano looking to save his job...allyuh feel dinho could be effective in 2014?i think he could be effective man..yorke was effective for us in 2006...give him ah bligh man....honestly he really deserve he call up...he took all his criticism from the media and others...and went out and play to earn he pick...and honestly the mighty brazil is lacking creativity....and he may not be as dynamic as before...however i think he could offer spark....this might just resurect his career...This guy is a joy to watch play football....
good point but remember brazil trying to win a world cup, we were trying not to get bad licks. doh forget yorke is ah fitness junkie, we know dinho dont know waht that mean.
right now he on fire but lets see how long he keeps it up. 3 years is a long time. brazil need his creativity for sure until ganso get some european experience.
Post by: kicker on August 19, 2011, 08:00:11 AM
I was the biggest fan of R10, but I hadda see alot more to be confident that he's the answer to Brazil's problems - I see this as Menezes possibly just trying to bring his confidence back...
Post by: dinho on August 19, 2011, 08:45:35 AM
Ronaldinho is barely a shadow of his former self as a player - Maybe some regular int'l football can bring him back but to me he in a mess... He is alot slower, and his dribbling is not confident - most of the times he looks like he's on the verge of losing the ball- which he often does....and those highlights - apart from some routine finishes and a few unspectacular assists, the majority of them are failed plays - I don't see why they are posted on youtube as if to impress...
I was the biggest fan of R10, but I hadda see alot more to be confident that he's the answer to Brazil's problems - I see this as Menezes possibly just trying to bring his confidence back...
More like trying to save his job.
Post by: kicker on August 19, 2011, 09:05:41 AM
More like trying to save his job.
True...
Post by: asylumseeker on August 19, 2011, 10:21:43 AM
Ronaldinho is barely a shadow of his former self as a player - Maybe some regular int'l football can bring him back but to me he in a mess... He is alot slower, and his dribbling is not confident - most of the times he looks like he's on the verge of losing the ball- which he often does....and those highlights - apart from some routine finishes and a few unspectacular assists, the majority of them are failed plays - I don't see why they are posted on youtube as if to impress...
I was the biggest fan of R10, but I hadda see alot more to be confident that he's the answer to Brazil's problems - I see this as Menezes possibly just trying to bring his confidence back...
Have you observed him consistently recently?
Post by: Jah Gol on August 20, 2011, 08:30:20 AM
Post by: kicker on August 20, 2011, 06:30:42 PM
Ronaldinho is barely a shadow of his former self as a player - Maybe some regular int'l football can bring him back but to me he in a mess... He is alot slower, and his dribbling is not confident - most of the times he looks like he's on the verge of losing the ball- which he often does....and those highlights - apart from some routine finishes and a few unspectacular assists, the majority of them are failed plays - I don't see why they are posted on youtube as if to impress...
I was the biggest fan of R10, but I hadda see alot more to be confident that he's the answer to Brazil's problems - I see this as Menezes possibly just trying to bring his confidence back...
Have you observed him consistently recently?
yes -ish.... I know everyone is excited about his return, I remain skeptical..
Post by: Peong on August 21, 2011, 09:33:55 PM
He score a cheeky free kick today.
Good goals in this game.
Post by: Jah Gol on August 22, 2011, 12:32:41 PM
Post by: kicker on August 22, 2011, 12:37:41 PM
Post by: asylumseeker on August 22, 2011, 02:24:17 PM
mano looking to save his job...allyuh feel dinho could be effective in 2014?i think he could be effective man..yorke was effective for us in 2006...give him ah bligh man....honestly he really deserve he call up...he took all his criticism from the media and others...and went out and play to earn he pick...and honestly the mighty brazil is lacking creativity....and he may not be as dynamic as before...however i think he could offer spark....this might just resurect his career...This guy is a joy to watch play football....
good point but remember brazil trying to win a world cup, we were trying not to get bad licks. doh forget yorke is ah fitness junkie, we know dinho dont know waht that mean.
right now he on fire but lets see how long he keeps it up. 3 years is a long time. brazil need his creativity for sure until ganso get some european experience.
Yes. This is a good, and even measured, decision that has little downside in the short term. The medium-term in this case is probably not defined beyond the qualifying rounds that precede Christmas.
Post by: Jah Gol on August 25, 2011, 01:31:17 PM
Post by: Jah Gol on August 31, 2011, 08:42:05 PM
Post by: Peong on September 01, 2011, 03:56:23 PM
Post by: kicker on September 05, 2011, 02:32:33 PM
Post by: Dumplingdinho on September 05, 2011, 02:41:58 PM
Ronaldinho playin' real sh*t against Ghana!
nah man, he played good. he almost had 2 boss goals from free kicks but the keeper made brilliant saves.
Post by: Observer on September 05, 2011, 02:53:17 PM
Ronaldinho playin' real sh*t against Ghana!
nah man, he played good. he almost had 2 boss goals from free kicks but the keeper made brilliant saves.
??? Interesting!!!
Post by: kicker on September 05, 2011, 06:43:23 PM
Ronaldinho playin' real sh*t against Ghana!
nah man, he played good. he almost had 2 boss goals from free kicks but the keeper made brilliant saves.
He was good on dead balls, and long balls when given time - other than that he was pretty bad. His game has gotten very limited - not feeling it
Post by: Dumplingdinho on September 05, 2011, 08:41:05 PM
Ronaldinho playin' real sh*t against Ghana!
nah man, he played good. he almost had 2 boss goals from free kicks but the keeper made brilliant saves.
He was good on dead balls, and long balls when given time - other than that he was pretty bad. His game has gotten very limited - not feeling it
he is definitely not the same ronaldinho and i actually wish mano move on from him as he prepares for 2014. the sad thing is none of the creative players looked as good as him since mano took over. ganso looked good in small spurts. brazil has a lot of problems to address in the next 3 years. hopefully they will get it right.
Post by: tempo on September 05, 2011, 10:31:50 PM
Post by: asylumseeker on September 06, 2011, 04:35:28 AM
Post by: Dumplingdinho on September 06, 2011, 05:30:59 AM
Mano doesn't have it and 'dinho can't do it on that level anymore. Brazil has to go bold and make a play for Guardiola to leave Barca at the end of this season. Tiki-Taka samba.
brazil will never hire a non brazilian to coach their national team. they need to hire either scolari or muricy ramalho.
Post by: tempo on September 06, 2011, 07:24:01 AM
Mano doesn't have it and 'dinho can't do it on that level anymore. Brazil has to go bold and make a play for Guardiola to leave Barca at the end of this season. Tiki-Taka samba.
brazil will never hire a non brazilian to coach their national team. they need to hire either scolari or muricy ramalho.
Probably not, but it would be a spectacle. Not sure about Scolari. Ramalho would be an interesting choice especially if Neymar is a featured player.
Post by: asylumseeker on October 07, 2011, 08:39:44 PM
Paulo Wanchope is the assistant coach for CRC ... allyuh should see how kids were chasing the team bus when Brazil left the Marriott and ppl lined the streets en route to the stadium. Brazil is truly the team of the ppl ... even this squad that is in transition. Ronaldinho and Neymar were the last to get off the bus ... seemed so by design. When the Tico bus arrived at the stadium the interest paled to the interest when Brazil pulled up minutes later.
Mexico is scouting this game because they will face both opponents shortly ... Brazil in a few days. That game will be in Torreon. I considered making the flex ... but dais de same stadium de bad boys and dem shot up a few weeks back during a league game. Too much of a logistical nightmare. I eh able.
Post by: Andre on October 11, 2011, 11:36:57 AM
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Post by: Brej on October 11, 2011, 10:26:00 PM
other than the goal his game was very mature... you can see how the other players respect him and the presence he brings to the field
brilliant game from the captain
Post by: Trini on October 11, 2011, 10:40:28 PM
I see Neymar do some things on that field today against them Mexicans....Geez an ages.
Post by: nnyman18 on October 12, 2011, 07:01:53 AM
Post by: kicker on October 12, 2011, 08:16:02 AM
Good point nnyman18 - Would still like to see a little more impact play from him though... still too casual for modern day competitive football in my opinion. He will be a lot less effective against more robust physical teams that close down quickly...which are pretty much all the real quality sides....
Yuh can't pay that guy enough to put in a tackle.
Post by: breezers on October 12, 2011, 08:31:12 AM
Too many people expect to see the Ronny of old. He is no longer that type of player. However, he is turned himself into a player who can orchestrate the Brazilian attack with his pin point passes. He is developing a very good relationship with Neymar and last night he showed why Mano still believes in him
EXACTLY!! Plain and simple...dats been muh Dinho argument fuh ah while now jus it's tru....so i 1000% agree! So yes he is not dat busy body player (like neymar,and messi etc) again...plain talk he is ah kinda lazy man but he's d best passer in d world..if not he hands down in d top 3( jus fuh argument sake)! So tuh make him effective yuh hatta surround him wid runners...so when team up wid men like neymar, by binho, by pato and reinforced wid ah kaka....hmmmm.....ppl dead! So yuh hatta let d man do he thing yes! Mano eh no fool!
Post by: Marcos on October 12, 2011, 10:11:45 AM
Wuz real bother me is how hard it could be to go to some performance center in the US and work on some speed and quickness? A six week camp would do the world of difference as just a inch of extra speed will revolutionize his game again.
Post by: Blue on November 24, 2011, 06:41:35 PM
Intimate Ronaldinho webcam video leaked
A video has emerged on the internet of Ronaldinho 'rewarding himself' in front of a webcam and has become a top talking point in Brazil within hours.
Manager Vanderlei Luxemburgo would not be drawn on the issue, insisting that he 'had nothing to do with it.'
"This is a particular problem for Ronaldinho. I can not control what is on my player's computers," said the coach, to much laughter from the gathered press ranks.
"The only thing I can do is get out of the way before this .... blows," finished Luxemburgo to even more laughter. :rotfl: :rotfl:
For all the light-hearted joking of Luxemburgo, the video has no doubt caused much embarrasment for both Ronaldinho and Flamengo at a time when results are not at their best.
Post by: Zeppo on July 12, 2012, 12:25:15 PM
Ronaldinho just couldn't resist the Pepsi Challenge.
On Monday, soft-drink kingpin Coca-Cola terminated its lucrative sponsorship deal with the man who was once considered the best soccer player in the world. The soda giant was enraged that the 32-year-old Brazilian took a sip from a can of archrival Pepsi at a recent news conference hyping a game with Atletico Mineiro, a club in Ronaldinho's homeland which he joined in early June.
Two cans of Pepsi were right in front of the midfielder at the news conference, and the former Barcelona superstar couldn't wait to quench his thirst.
The two-time FIFA World Player of the Year was earning $750,000 a year from the endorsement deal. But his cardinal sin ends the relationship that was set to run until 2014.
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Diego Maradona woulda neve touch Pepsi once dey had coke available.
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ah love it!!
Post by: Flex on March 05, 2020, 06:32:31 AM
Goal.com.
Brazilian legend Ronaldinho has been arrested in Paraguay for allegedly using false documentation to enter the South American country.
The 39-year-old, who won the World Cup with Brazil in 2002, was detained in the Resort Yacht & Golf Club Paraguayo along with his brother Roberto on Wednesday night, the Ministry of Interior of Paraguay said.
According to La Nacion, passports were found in the hotel bearing the names of Ronaldinho and Roberto with Paraguayan nationality.
Both the brothers remain in the hotel suite with Paraguayan authorities set to issue a statement on Thursday morning.
An official statement from the Paraguayan police said Ronaldinho and his entourage had been invited to Paraguay by casino owner Nelson Belotti.
The Brazil international was expected to hold several publicity events with the media invited to witness his interaction with fans and dignitaries.
Ronaldinho is currently without a Brazilian passport because of an environmental fine he received in 2018.
The former Barcelona star and his brother were convicted of illegally building a fishing trap at Lake Guaiba in 2015 without proper licensing in a permanent preservation area.
That conviction saw the duo handed an $8.5 million fine in November 2018 and after failing to pay up, Brazil's Superior Court of Justice decided to stop Ronaldinho from being able to leave the country.
Despite being unable to leave Brazil, Ronaldinho was unveiled as one of the country's new ambassadors for tourism in September last year.
Literally stranded in his homeland, the former AC Milan star said at the time that he was trying to make the most of his limbo after accepting a role to promote Brazil's tourism.
"Tourism is very important for generating jobs and regaining our image internationally," Ronaldinho said at his unveiling as an ambassador.
Ronaldinho led a distinguished playing career across South America and Europe - winning the Champions League, La Liga, Serie A and Copa Libertadores.
He also clinched a plethora of individual honours including the 2005 Ballon d'Or and the FIFA World Player of the Year in 2004 and 2005.
The Porto-Alegre born forward lifted the Jules Rimet trophy in South Korea and Japan in 2002 and won the Copa America with his nation in 1999.
Post by: Flex on March 09, 2020, 02:07:26 PM
Reuters
Ronaldinho Gaucho, the former Brazil and Barcelona soccer star being held in a Paraguayan jail for using a falsified passport, is being investigated for additional crimes, the prosecutor leading the case said on Sunday.
Osmar Legal did not clarify what the crimes were but told the Brazilian news site Globoesporte that "there are indications that other crimes were committed" by Ronaldinho and his brother and business manager, Roberto Assis.
Sergio Queiroz, the lawyer representing both Ronaldinho and Assis, did not immediately respond to Reuters' requests for comment.
However, Queiroz told reporters earlier in the day that the case presented so far was only about the adulterated passports, and he refused to talk about "suppositions" made in the press.
"The case as it was presented is clear," Queiroz said. "There is no other point being investigated, you can see that there in the documents."
He called the brothers' detention "arbitrary, abusive and illegal".
"They confessed that they used these false passports," Queiroz told reporters. "But there was no harm done to the Paraguayan state.
"Roberto and Ronaldinho did not know that the passports were irregular. And they cooperated fully with authorities."
The brothers were remanded in custody on Saturday after being caught trying to enter Paraguay using the doctored travel documents.
A judge ruled them a flight risk and said they must remain in jail while the investigation takes place. Under Paraguayan law, officials have six months to complete their enquiry.
The pair spent Friday and Saturday night in a jail cell in a maximum security facility. They were given soap, pillows and mosquito repellent and were led into court on Saturday in handcuffs.
Sunday was visiting day at the prison and Globoesporte said the ex-Barcelona, Paris St Germain, AC Milan and Gremio forward had remained inside his cell to avoid the attention of families and children visiting the other inmates.
Ronaldinho, who was last year named a tourist ambassador by Brazil's far-right government, was invited to Paraguay by a local casino owner and arrived on Wednesday to take part in a soccer clinic for children and a book launch.
He was greeted at the airport in Asuncion by throngs of fans.
Although he last played professionally in 2015, Ronaldinho, who also represented Brazilian clubs Atletico Mineiro, Flamengo and Fluminense, is still hugely popular with global soccer fans for his skills and showmanship.
The 39-year-old was named FIFA world player of the year in 2004 and 2005 and won the World Cup with Brazil in 2002 and the Champions League with Barcelona in 2006.
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Judge rules Ronaldinho must remain in Paraguayan jail
Post by: Flex on April 28, 2020, 04:51:52 PM
Goal.com
Ronaldinho says he was totally surprised to have been arrested and charged with using a fake passport in his first interview after being released from prison.
The former Barcelona footballer and his brother Roberto Assis were arrested in Paraguay in early March for allegedly using fake documents to enter the country.
After spending 32 days in prison, judge Gustavo Amarilla decided that the duo can live in a hotel in Asuncion while they await trial on their charges.
Speaking to Paraguayan television network ABC Color from the Palmaroga hotel in the Paraguayan capital, the 40-year-old former Brazil international said they came to the country to be at the launch of an online casino.
Former Ballon DOr winner Ronaldinho, part of Brazils 2002 World Cup-winning squad, said the entire situation had been very hard and he was working with the police to try and resolve matters.
He said: We were totally surprised to learn that the documents were not legal. Since then our intention has been to collaborate with the justice system to clarify the facts.
From that moment until today, we have explained everything and facilitated everything that has been requested of us.
Speaking of the moment he was told he was going to jail, Ronaldinho said: It was a hard blow, I never imagined that I would go through such a situation. All my life I have sought to reach the highest professional level and bring joy to people with my football.
The former Barca star said hed had plenty of opportunities to play football in prison and was constantly stopped for autographs and photos even when inside the maximum security Agrupacion Especializada prison after being arrested at the Resort Yacht and Golf Club Paraguay.
Ronaldinho said that despite being arrested and charged he felt no ill-will towards the people of Paraguay, and that his religion had helped him through the situation.
He said: The warmth, affection and respect of all Paraguayans has been felt from the first day I arrived in the country until today, and I am very grateful.
I have my faith. I always pray for things to go well and hopefully this will be over soon.
According to ABC Color, the interview was held face to face in the hotel despite the coronavirus lockdown, with stringent hygiene measures in place.
Social distancing was practiced, protective covers were placed on microphones and Ronaldinho wore a face-mask at all times except when answering questions.
Ronaldinho said that the first thing he would do once the situation is resolved is go to see his mum.
He said: The first thing will be to give a big kiss to my mother who has lived through these difficult days since the start of the Covid-19 pandemic in her home, then it will be to absorb the impact that this situation has generated and move forward with faith and strength.
Ronaldinho's lawyers have previously argued that their client had been given the Paraguayan passport as a gift from a local sponsor, and was unaware he was doing anything wrong by using it.
The 2005 Ballon d'Or winner had already seen his Brazilian and Spanish passports seized by Brazil's authorities in 2019 because of separate legal issues.
Post by: Flex on July 31, 2020, 02:02:15 PM
By Antonio Strini and Moises Llorens
ESPN
Ronaldinho Gaucho's lawyers are evaluating options for the former Barcelona star to be released from jail as early as August after a source close to the prosecution told ESPN that they are willing to discuss a plea bargain in his criminal case, which began more than four months ago after he was arrested for attempting to enter Paraguay with a false passport.
The former Ballon d'Or winner and his brother Roberto Assis were released from a high-security jail in Paraguay in April after paying bail of $800,000 each and placed under house arrest in a luxury hotel in the Paraguayan capital of Asuncion, where they remain.
Ronaldinho told local authorities in a hearing that the passports were a gift from a Brazilian businessman, Wilmondes Sousa Liria, who was also jailed.
Ronaldinho and his brother face up to five years in jail if convicted.
The public prosecutor has six months to investigate the case, and has ordered the arrest of 18 others in connection with it.
Sources have told ESPN in Brazil that 90% of the case with respect to Ronaldinho and his brother is closed amid the failure on the part of the public prosecutor's office to advance any connection to money laundering or organised crime or make any case beyond Ronaldinho entering the country with fake documents.
Sources told ESPN that Ronaldinho could be offered a plea bargain while the case continues to be delayed due to coronavirus restrictions.
Sources say the plea bargain could include entering a guilty plea for the falsified passports, paying another fine or reporting monthly to the judge in the case.
Dalia Lopez, a businesswoman prosecutors say is connected to the case and who remains at large since the outbreak of the scandal, is a key element to resolve the case which even affected the state departments as she was the person who invited Ronaldinho to participate in events in Paraguay.
Ronaldinho had his Brazilian passport seized at home due to an investigation into alleged environmental crimes, but the document was returned to him in September of 2019 and it is still not known why he did not enter the country with his own passport.
Meanwhile, sources say Ronaldinho has been patient as his lawyers work on a strategy they believe could have him released as early as this month.
The 2002 World Cup winner has told sources that if he regains his freedom, he and his brother would travel to Porto Alegre to visit their mother and sister, greet the rest of the family before flying to Spain to settle almost permanently.
The source said that Ronaldinho has had almost daily telephone contact with people of his closest trust, both in Brazil and in Spain.
Castelldefels, a town about 20 kilometres from Barcelona where Lionel Messi, Luis Suarez and other Barcelona footballers live, would be the chosen place by Ronaldinho to establish his new residence.
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Post by: Flex on August 24, 2020, 01:00:39 AM
By Will Costa
The Telegraph.
In any story about Ronaldinho, one of the most famous ex-sportsmen on the planet, women are never far away. His unorthodox love-life and his notorious partying are all welcome fodder for the headline writers, and fine distractions for gossip-hungry newspaper readers.
But Dalia Lopez, a glamorous charity boss, and one of Paraguays most successful business women, is different. Lopez, 48, holds the key to an astonishing tale of intrigue which has ensnared Brazils favourite footballing son, and sees him held under house arrest in a four-star Asuncion hotel five months after the story broke. Trouble is, shes on the run.
Arrest warrants have been issued for Lopez, now said to be the most hated woman on social media in the south American country, but she refuses to turn herself in because, her lawyer says, she fears for her life. Marcos Estigarribia, who represents Ms Lpez, says darkly that there is "a price on her head".
The affair begins way back in the pre-coronavirus lockdown era in early March, when Ronaldinho touched down at Silvio Pettirossi international airport in Asuncion. He arrived to a heros welcome, and was whisked to a VIP room, where he was met by, amongst others, Ms Lopez.
The Ballon dOr winner had come with his brother and agent, Assis, 49, to promote his autobiography Genius in Life and to aid Ms Lopezs charity, the Angelic Fraternity Foundation. He was to be the star attraction in her touring clinic, the avowed aim being to improve childrens health with medical and dental sessions, and classes in nutrition.
Ms Lopez gushed to the Paraguayan press: As a mother, woman and business person, the health of children most in need is an issue that worries me constantly. Thats why I want to create a project to benefit them.
Doing my bit for this cause gives me great satisfaction, and how better than to do it with Ronaldinho as an ally, a football star who knows first-hand the suffering of the most vulnerable communities. Today, Ronaldinho crosses the border of his country to bring a bit of relief to Paraguayan children.
Ronaldinho, who won the World Cup in 2002, enjoyed a police escort as they left. Officers posed for selfies with him.
But as the brothers dined that evening at the sumptuous Yacht y Golf Club Paraguayo on the capitals outskirts, they were arrested. Police had been tipped off that they had entered the country with fake passports, and, sure enough, on searching their room, they found the incriminating counterfeits.
The passports were amateurish. The grinning image on Ronaldinhos counterfeit matched that which was found later on 4,000 footballs discovered at Lopezs residence to be used as part of the travelling clinic. Two women - the original owners of the doctored documents, who had never reported them missing - have been arrested.
The brothers defence is they were handed the passports in a VIP room on arrival before passing through checks. They presumed they were being given honorary citizenship in recognition of their charity work. As lawyer Adolfo Marin said of his famous client: "He's thick. He didn't realise he was receiving fake documents".
Caught up in a wider web of intrigue, the brothers were held at Agrupacion Especializada prison for 32 days, where Ronaldinho was persuaded to play in a futsal six-a-side match, scoring five and laying on six in an 11-2 victory. He won his team-mates a 16kg pig.
They were eventually allowed bail after $1.6m was found from one of his accounts and they have been in the Palmaroga Hotel since. Its pleasant enough, but the area is down at heel, and the even presidential suite is a reasonable 280 a night.
But the central mystery - at least as far as Ronaldinho and his brother are concerned - has never been answered: what was the purpose of the passports?
Perhaps, say legal experts, the explanation is that Panamanian passport holders are eligible for an E-2 investor visa, allowing them residency in the US. Brazilians cannot get it, so one theory mooted is it provided the brothers the prospect of living in America.
Five months on, this aspect of the story may be about to reach a denouement. A judge will decide on Monday whether to allow the former Barcelona player and his brother to return home after they agreed to pay a $200,000 (152,000) fine for using the aforementioned faked travel documents.
Both Ronaldinho and his brother requested permission through lawyers to be present in person at Monday's hearing.
For Ms Lopez, the key figure in a tortuous tale which has seen 16 people arrested, there is no apparent end in sight. Prosecutors have revealed she is under investigation for suspected tax evasion and money-laundering, with a figure of $10m cited.
Ms Lopez, who boasts leading politicians among her friends, has apparently given handsomely to charity. Only this year, she gave a car to the winner of the Miss Paraguay beauty pageant attended by the nations president, Mario Abdo Benitez. Lopez stole the show, arriving in a helicopter.
Her foundation, though, has no presence online or on social media. And it is suspected of failing to comply with registration processes designed to prevent money laundering.
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The brothers story has changed over time on why they came to Paraguay. Now they say that they were to launch an online casino, and Lopezs mobile clinic was only an add-on. Ronaldinho was clearly to be paid.
He said in April: "I never imagined that something like this could happen to me. It was a big blow. Everything we do is under the contracts that are managed by my brother.
"We were absolutely surprised to learn that the documents we had were not legal. Our intention was always to collaborate with the courts to clarify the facts.
I always have my faith. I always pray for things to go well and hopefully soon all this will come to an end.
The Champions League winner says the first thing he wants to do when he gets back to Brazil is give his mother a big kiss. Soon after that, though, another legal battle lies in store.
For the ex-player, along with other partners of the company 18kRonaldinho, are being sued for 300 million Brazilian Real (43 million) in damages for alleged pyramid selling. He denies any wrong-doing, but looks destined to be back in the headlines all over again.