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Title: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Flex on April 04, 2008, 03:03:53 AM
Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).
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In a hastily arranged media conference at the Ministry of Sports Offices, Port of Spain on Thursday at 3pm, rookie Sports Minister Gary Hunt demanded accountability from the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation as it relates to funds provided by the Government of the Republic.

Hunt was expecting to meet with officials of the TTFF prior to the Press Conference but the latter party never showed as President Oliver Camps said the Ministry failed to meet a request from the TTFF to be provided with agenda for the meeting. 

“How can a meeting be called and when the TTFF request an agenda, nothing is put forward. This happens no where else and then we were informed very late that they carded a press conference to follow soon after. So we were expected to go there not knowing what was going to be discussed.”

Hunt later relayed all the salaries which his Government had been providing for the technical staff for 2007 giving detail figures for each staff member from head coach to team doctor. He however could not give a valid reason why no salaries had not been paid for 2008 despite Government's commitment following the 2006 World Cup. There was also no comment regarding the lack of support for two Women National Teams engaged in and also preparing for world qualifying competitions.

The TTFF also had its Media Officer Shaun Fuentes shown the exit doors during the press conference. On arrival, Ministry of Sport communications specialist Natasha Nunez expressed her surprise on seeing Fuentes present, saying that no invitation was sent to the TTFF. She was later told by Fuentes that it was only customary that any press conference relating to the TTFF would have the presence of the Federation’s media officer and at no time in the past did past Minister of Sport Roger Boynes have any objection to such.

Then while Fuentes was filming the opening three minutes of Hunt’s address, he paused while looking at Fuentes before calling Nunez to the head table to whisper his directives. Nunez then asked Fuentes what was his purpose for filming Hunte’s address and that he was not authorized to do such. Meanwhile, there were four other television cameras present. Fuentes explained that it was customary for him to be filming interviews and other related actions for the sake of uploading the footage on the TTFF website and YouTube Channel. It appeared that Hunt seemed lost to such multimedia usage as Nunez later relayed to Fuentes that the Minister was still uncertain and appeared to be thrown off during his address by Fuentes’ presence in the sitting audience.

On turning his camera off and putting away, Hunte continued his address briefly before stopping again, this time calling Nunez once more while looking at Fuentes. The former Guardian full time journalist who could also pose as a freelance journalist, on seeing Nunez approaching him once more asked whether the Minister wanted him to leave to which she agreed indicating it would be the wise thing to do at the time. Hunt waited for Fuentes to exit the conference room before apologizing to the guests and media prior to continuing his words.

Once again the Ministry of Sport has said that it was dissatisfied with the TTFF’s presentation of a developmental programme and accounted budget, claiming that they continue to be unacceptable. The question remains who in the Ministry of Sport is deemed fit enough to describe as unfit a football program that is drawn up by a Federation which has former great Lincoln Phillips as its technical director as well as Colombian-born head coach Francisco Maturana on board.
Hunt demands accountability.
By: Lasana Liburd (Express).
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Sport Minister Gary Hunt said yesterday that the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) must fulfill certain requirements before they receive financial support from the local government, including a detailed report on their use of over $12 million presented to the football body since the 2006 World Cup.

The Ministry of Sport claimed, at yesterday's press conference, to have asked the T&TFF on Wednesday for the financial terms and conditions of their present staff as well as financial projections up until December 2009. The press conference was called to address claims of financial neglect and discrimination made by T&TFF special advisor and Opposition party co-leader Jack Warner, last Friday.

"It is not that we are trying to be difficult," said Sport Ministry Deputy Permanent Secretary Ashwin Creed. "If we don't get these things right, we will be called to account to (Cabinet) It is taxpayer's money we are dealing with."

Hunt, who replaced outgoing Minister Roger Boynes last November, stressed the government's commitment to football and pointed to over $88 million given to the 2006 World Cup campaign and another $12 million poured into the present South Africa 2010 effort thus far.

Hunt insisted that the government and the T&TFF "want the same thing" and claimed to have a "very good relationship" with the local Federation. There was little evidence of harmony between the bodies over the past seven days. On April 28, Warner accused Hunt of discriminating against the "young black, poor people" of sports like football, basketball and boxing.

The Sport Minister-who claimed to have no relationship with Warner beyond "one or two" encounters at parliament-admitted yesterday that the T&TFF failed to show after allegedly promising to turn up for discussions and to present some semblance of unity at yesterday's press conference.

The one T&TFF official who attended did not leave in good spirits. T&TFF press officer Shaun Fuentes was asked to stop filming during Hunt's statement as he was not a member of the "authorised media". Fuentes asked whether he should leave and was told "if you will" by his Sport Ministry counterpart Natasha Nunez.

Fuentes, who described the attitude of the Sport Ministry as "quite rude", claimed that the Federation did not attend because they did not receive an agenda for the meeting.

Nunez could "neither confirm nor deny" the T&TFF's claim. Regardless, Hunt, who was flanked by Permanent Secretary Margaret Farray and Creed, insisted that the future partnership of State and sport body was "in the T&TFF's hands".

"We just want to ensure the right procedures are put in place to account for all the money put in," said Hunt.

Creed said that the T&TFF was asked to present a strategic developmental plan in January 2007 but, a year later, presented a plan "deficient" in several areas including stakeholder participation, analysis and performance targets.

The Sport Minister admitted that the Hasely Crawford training pitch was in bad shape but insisted the main playing ground was fine and that both fields would be in "pristine" condition by June 1 when Trinidad and Tobago host England. He is equally confident that the Sport Ministry would soon be discussing football's future with the T&TFF and plotting for success in 2010.
On the road to ruin.
By: Fazeer Mohammed (Express).
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Ready...set...pow! Now that the race card has been thrown on the table by the black football supremo, is it okay for this Indian observer to comment on the dissing of the quarter-Chinese/white boy Sports Minister by the red man at the helm of the Football Federation?

Even with all the crime, all the rising food prices and the increasing sense of discomfort over the direction we are taking as a nation, this place is still too happy yes. There are a few areas around the world where the merest hint of the marginalisation of one ethnic group in preference to others would be the spark to ignite a firestorm. But not here. Not in sweet T&T. It's all part of the picong in this mirage of a paradise, although the recent exchanges between the representative of the political directorate and the sawatees in the administration of the country's most popular sport reflect a pettiness that is distressing given the offices they hold and the degrees of influence they exert.

When Jack Warner can accuse Gary Hunt of discriminating against the "young, poor black men" who aspire to success in football, basketball and boxing, and be allowed to escape unscathed by every arm of an allegedly civil society, you know that the stench of ruin is in the air.

When the target of such unfounded abuse takes the bait and proceeds to make it clear that the TTFF's media officer is not welcome at his press conference (they could say what they want, but the reality is that Hunt's assistant essentially transmitted the news that it was preferable if Shaun Fuentes left the event last Thursday), you know for sure that there is no such thing as moral high ground or dignity of office anymore, and that everyone is prepared to roll up his sleeve, rip off his tie and get down and dirty in the swirling morass of bacchanal.

And when long-serving president Oliver Camps feels it is necessary to refer to the Sports Minister as a "Johnny-come-lately" while defending the Federation from Hunt's allegations of a lack of accountability, the cycle of childish abuse is just about complete.

This is the sort of thing we used to engage in during recess, lunchtime or after school. However, it seems supposedly grown men can't get out of that short pants mentality (no slight on Llewellyn McIntosh, my former history and GP teacher, intended).

It is one thing for us everyday folk to engage in such immature name-calling, but you would think that at least one of that trio would have the sense to step back and, appreciating the bigger picture, refuse to surrender to the temptation of such divisive responses.

I suppose I'm just spitting into a hurricane with this, especially as there are so many of my fellow straight-haired, brown-skinned citizens, revolted as they are at the suggestion that they are more West Indian than East Indian, who continue to observe the regional cricket in purely racial terms.

Such irrational behaviour lends credence to the baseless argument that Amit Jaggernauth's omission from the two Tests against Sri Lanka was primarily because of his ethnicity, the warped logic being that there is some unwritten quota that the selectors must adhere to so as to ensure that those of African descent remain in a comfortable majority in the final XI.

In this context, the photographs of "Man of the Series" Ramnaresh Sarwan leaping onto the back of captain Chris Gayle in celebration on Sunday afternoon at the Queen's Park Oval must be enough to make these sycophants nauseous. But then again, the Guyanese batsman seems to have some of the blood of the native peoples of South America coursing through his veins. So he is not a pure breed, and doesn't know any better or appreciates the irreparable damage he is doing by publicly endorsing Gayle as captain.

Getting back to the earlier issue about preference for "high-coloured" sports, does it mean that the growing popularity of the West Indies versus the World cycling series and the increasing corporate support of the event have more to do with the fact that chief organiser and Cycling Federation president Michael Phillips is a dougla-ish French Creole than the fact that it is efficiently run and effectively marketed?

Seeing as how we're not big on locally-generated statistical data (it is always a source of irritation that all those health and lifestyle stories appearing in our media are based almost exclusively on information from the United States and the United Kingdom), it might be worthwhile to break that mould and have a survey done on the racial composition of the crowd at tonight's opening event around the Queen's Park Savannah.

Then again, we should remember the saying about lies, damn lies and statistics, although it seems that misrepresentations are no hindrance to anyone seeking to make a particular point around here.

Expecting a rational discourse and mature behaviour from public personalities would not seem to be too much to ask in a country that is being readied for the official stamp of "First World" status in the next 12 years. Maybe it's a reflection of the Trini psyche to not take anything seriously, although such indifference is also associated with the classic banana republic.

Now that's an interesting notion: a First World banana republic where sport, politics and race are blended together and served on crushed ice and topped off with a tiny umbrella. This country really too sweet for its own good.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: JayTheWrecker on April 04, 2008, 03:35:22 AM
this debacle encapsulates everything that is wrong with T&T football

it's a dead heat as to who are the biggest bunch of f**kwits, the TTFF or the Sports Ministry

do feel sorry for Shaun Fuentes thou, it sounds like the man is caught between a rock and a hard place

Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: doc on April 04, 2008, 03:35:48 AM
Fuentes:

The TTFF "chop off" the TD's feet and expect him to "run". That story is yet to be written. Why? ??? Now it's appropriate to invoke his name, when it suits your purpose ent ???
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 04, 2008, 05:08:03 AM
This Sports Minister is a kakahole.....
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Organic on April 04, 2008, 05:23:23 AM
Hunt demands accountability
Lasana Liburd

Friday, April 4th 2008

   

Sport Minister Gary Hunt said yesterday that the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (T&TFF) must fulfill certain requirements before they receive financial support from the local government, including a detailed report on their use of over $12 million presented to the football body since the 2006 World Cup.

The Ministry of Sport claimed, at yesterday's press conference, to have asked the T&TFF on Wednesday for the financial terms and conditions of their present staff as well as financial projections up until December 2009.

The press conference was called to address claims of financial neglect and discrimination made by T&TFF special advisor and Opposition party co-leader Jack Warner, last Friday.

"It is not that we are trying to be difficult," said Sport Ministry Deputy Permanent Secretary Ashwin Creed. "If we don't get these things right, we will be called to account to (Cabinet) It is taxpayer's money we are dealing with."

Hunt, who replaced outgoing Minister Roger Boynes last November, stressed the government's commitment to football and pointed to over $88 million given to the 2006 World Cup campaign and another $12 million poured into the present South Africa 2010 effort thus far.

Hunt insisted that the government and the T&TFF "want the same thing" and claimed to have a "very good relationship" with the local Federation.

There was little evidence of harmony between the bodies over the past seven days.

On April 28, Warner accused Hunt of discriminating against the "young black, poor people" of sports like football, basketball and boxing.

The Sport Minister-who claimed to have no relationship with Warner beyond "one or two" encounters at parliament-admitted yesterday that the T&TFF failed to show after allegedly promising to turn up for discussions and to present some semblance of unity at yesterday's press conference.

The one T&TFF official who attended did not leave in good spirits.

T&TFF press officer Shaun Fuentes was asked to stop filming during Hunt's statement as he was not a member of the "authorised media". Fuentes asked whether he should leave and was told "if you will" by his Sport Ministry counterpart Natasha Nunez.

Fuentes, who described the attitude of the Sport Ministry as "quite rude", claimed that the Federation did not attend because they did not receive an agenda for the meeting.

Nunez could "neither confirm nor deny" the T&TFF's claim.

Regardless, Hunt, who was flanked by Permanent Secretary Margaret Farray and Creed, insisted that the future partnership of State and sport body was "in the T&TFF's hands".

"We just want to ensure the right procedures are put in place to account for all the money put in," said Hunt.

Creed said that the T&TFF was asked to present a strategic developmental plan in January 2007 but, a year later, presented a plan "deficient" in several areas including stakeholder participation, analysis and performance targets.

The Sport Minister admitted that the Hasely Crawford training pitch was in bad shape but insisted the main playing ground was fine and that both fields would be in "pristine" condition by June 1 when Trinidad and Tobago host England.

He is equally confident that the Sport Ministry would soon be discussing football's future with the T&TFF and plotting for success in 2010
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: fishs on April 04, 2008, 05:32:23 AM
This Sports Minister is a kakahole.....

 Hence the name" Gary Isaac Hunt "
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: dcs on April 04, 2008, 05:37:19 AM
Are we in Cuba?

Hunt seems irrational and picking which sport to support depending on who he like and who he eh like.

This man acting like Panday when it come to the media...u throw a media person out of a press conference?  TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE....damn gestapo.  U too Nunez u should have advised that clown he was acting inappropriately.

I am pretty sure the TD was involved in the drafting of the budget because I think it was him who was mainly responsible for getting funds in the past for some other key programs from SPORTT.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: kentsoulman on April 04, 2008, 05:42:00 AM
Ok, I know I live on the other side of the world, but I find the posts here amazing.

This site is full of discusions over TTFFs lack of financial control and whispers of money being diverted into peoples pockets. As I recall, TTFF even presented false accounts to the last minister when they tried to sort out the world cup bonuses.

Didn't TTFF say they only got $18 million or something when govt said they got $173 million?

People are dissin the government for asking to see how YOUR money is being spent before thy give out more. Seems to me, this minister should get a medal. He's protecting TAXPAYERS money.

And why should he be nice to Shaun Fuentes? TTFF couldn't be bothered to turn up because they know they can't show their accounts, but instead send their media guy to spy. Well, if Camps wanted to know what the minister was going to say, e should have got his ass down there. As for not having an agenda, Camps is an idiot. If theres no agenda, Camps can refuse to discuss subjects on the grounds he was not prepared. This should have been an expoloratory meeting to discuss a meeting. Hunt says want he needs to see and Camps brings it to the next meeting. Simple. Or should I say, Simpaul?

I have no problem with Mr Fuentes, but I think he was sent there to collect info for Warners propoganda machine.  

Finally, Warner attacked the minister the other day. The gloves are off and Hunt should get tough. Its about time people stopped kissing Jacks ass.

This is just Jack telling Camps to disrespect Hunt. Jack thinks the public will take his side against the nasty minister. And you've fallen for it.

Wake up guys. Hunt may not be the best, but he certainly isn't going to offer Jack an open purse to repay his new mortgage. T&T football has needed accountability and transparency for years. Now its arriving, welcome it. It will clean up the game and drive out the crooks.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: dcs on April 04, 2008, 05:47:09 AM
The Sport Minister admitted that the Hasely Crawford training pitch was in bad shape but insisted the main playing ground was fine and that both fields would be in "pristine" condition by June 1 when Trinidad and Tobago host England.

 ???
has something changed or he mispoke...time to take more pics of the pitch.  Maybe they will be guarding it will the military now  lol
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: dcs on April 04, 2008, 05:55:43 AM

TTFF should publish the budget in the papers like they have before.

Lets see if the Minister blowing smoke and I suspect he is in retaliation for being embarassed.  The amount of conflicts in local football caused by testosterone is amazing.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: kentsoulman on April 04, 2008, 06:05:11 AM
Theres a big difference between putting accounts in the paper and submitting to an official audit.

I want to know how much has been spent on fighting the players arbitration case, including first class flights to England and 5 star hotels, how they will pay the legal bill  if they lose and where they will get the bonus money from if they have to pay.

They had the money once, but decided not to pay and spent it on other things.

In any other business, TTFF management would have been sacked last year. They really have to go. They're totally cocking up your football.

My big worry now is that Jack will get millions from the England match and "forget" to pay Englands costs etc. We're still owed £135,000 by Jamaica from 2006....and that was played in England!!
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 04, 2008, 06:12:33 AM

And why should he be nice to Shaun Fuentes? TTFF couldn't be bothered to turn up because they know they can't show their accounts, but instead send their media guy to spy. Well, if Camps wanted to know what the minister was going to say, e should have got his ass down there. As for not having an agenda, Camps is an idiot. If theres no agenda, Camps can refuse to discuss subjects on the grounds he was not prepared. This should have been an expoloratory meeting to discuss a meeting. Hunt says want he needs to see and Camps brings it to the next meeting. Simple. Or should I say, Simpaul?

I have no problem with Mr Fuentes, but I think he was sent there to collect info for Warners propoganda machine.  

Kentsoulman, I TOTALLY agree with the Minister for asking de TTFF to account for every cent given to them by the Gov't.
My initial post was directed at the way Fuentes was treated.  It just appeared to be another one of his disrepectful displays since assuming office.

However, after reading your post I may reconsider my position on THIS particular issue  :thinking: :thinking:. 
Outside of that overall, this Minister strikes me as clueless and lacking in people skills.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: truetrini on April 04, 2008, 06:25:05 AM
Well, me eh have nutten personal against Shaun, as many a time I have supported him right here on this forum!

But he showing up at that meeting is suspect.  Why would he go sans his TTFF President.  Wasn't he also dismayed that the Government failed to present an agenda?  Since when does the TTFF demand written agendas?  And why does a Press conference warrant any agenda?

The TTFF has failed time and time again to put their intentions in writing, failed to prove accountable records, and has failed to be truthful as it pertains to expenditure of government provided funds.

If it is true that the Government has been paying all salaries last year, why is Wim the Dutch Ninny, still making comments that he was not paid, was late being paid and is still owed monies?

Why haven't we seen a truthful breakdown of the TTFF's expenditure?

Where is the World Cup money?  The TTFF can complain that the Government is not supporting football, but the truth, according to the Government is far different?

Where is the TTFF's books showing lack of Government support?

Lies!

That said, there is absolutely no valid reason for victimizing Shaun Fuentes.  This is not that shit ass country to the north, that some claim to be great, and our leaders are not known by the surname Castro!  Gary Hunt needs to send a written apology to Mr. Fuentes,  EVEN THOUGH fUENTES IS NOT PART OF THE PRESS, IT APPEARS PRECEDENCE HAS BEEN SET by the former Sports Minister. And at the same time he ahs a right to DEMAND accountability from the TTFF or withold further funding of ALL TTFF related "programs."
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Jah Gol on April 04, 2008, 06:25:55 AM
There are several reports of Hunt being discourteous and of bringing a pompous private sector attitude to the Ministry. They are too numerous to reject outright. He is hopeless inelegant in all of his pronouncements as well.   

I support the request for accountability though.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: dcs on April 04, 2008, 06:33:00 AM
Well, me eh have nutten personal against Shaun, as many a time I have supported him right here on this forum!

But he showing up at that meeting is suspect.  Why would he go sans his TTFF President.  Wasn't he also dismayed that the Government failed to present an agenda?  Since when does the TTFF demand written agendas?  And why does a Press conference warrant any agenda?

The TTFF has failed time and time again to put their intentions in writing, failed to prove accountable, and has failed to be truthful as it pertains to expenditure of government provided funds.

If it is true that the Government has been paying all salaries last year, why is Wim the Dutch Ninny, still making comments that he was not paid, was late being paid and is still owed monies?

Why haven't we seen a truthful breakdown of the TTFF's expenditure?

Where is the World Cup money?  The TTFF can complain that the Government is not supporting football, but the truth, according to the Government is far different?

Where is the TTFF's books showing lack of Government support?

Lies!

That said, there is absolutely no valid reason for victimizing Shaun Fuentes.  This is not that shit ass country to the north, that some claim to be great, and our leaders are not known by the surname Castro!  Gary Hunt needs to send a written apology to Mr. Fuentes, and at the same time he ahs a right to DEMAND accountability from the TTFF or withold further funding of ALL TTFF related "programs."

DAMN RIGHT.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: ttcom on April 04, 2008, 06:55:04 AM
Well, me eh have nutten personal against Shaun, as many a time I have supported him right here on this forum!

But he showing up at that meeting is suspect.  Why would he go sans his TTFF President.  Wasn't he also dismayed that the Government failed to present an agenda?  Since when does the TTFF demand written agendas?  And why does a Press conference warrant any agenda?

The TTFF has failed time and time again to put their intentions in writing, failed to prove accountable, and has failed to be truthful as it pertains to expenditure of government provided funds.

If it is true that the Government has been paying all salaries last year, why is Wim the Dutch Ninny, still making comments that he was not paid, was late being paid and is still owed monies?

Why haven't we seen a truthful breakdown of the TTFF's expenditure?

Where is the World Cup money?  The TTFF can complain that the Government is not supporting football, but the truth, according to the Government is far different?

Where is the TTFF's books showing lack of Government support?

Lies!

That said, there is absolutely no valid reason for victimizing Shaun Fuentes.  This is not that shit ass country to the north, that some claim to be great, and our leaders are not known by the surname Castro!  Gary Hunt needs to send a written apology to Mr. Fuentes, and at the same time he ahs a right to DEMAND accountability from the TTFF or withold further funding of ALL TTFF related "programs."

DAMN RIGHT.

AMEN
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Organic on April 04, 2008, 07:04:20 AM
There are several reports of Hunt being discourteous and of bringing a pompous private sector attitude to the Ministry. They are too numerous to reject outright. He is hopeless inelegant in all of his pronouncements as well.   

I support the request for accountability though.
yuh mean effiencey? That ministry liek alot others is run ind e dinasour age? imagine this day and age the minister doesnt have emails getting directly to him instead they have to be fwded to the tech department and then someone has to print it out and carried to him? steups  the ineffiency and well trinidad lackadasical attitude is irksome. And as i keep saying alyuh know i not a fan of the pnm  but allyuh taking ttff propaganda.
 lot of people in the ministry complaining cause de man demanding work done and done properly.  All i hadda say is inna timin. He in charge of the ministry for how loong now?? give him some time. But he wroking with an arhciac system and culture..
My mother works for A ministry and is de worse and de best, worse to get anythign done and best place for a lime on a friday!!!
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 04, 2008, 07:05:51 AM
They were just on I95.5 discussing the issue.  Dale & Toney took the position that Shaun Fuentes is a media person and as such has every right to be at the press conference....

Neil Parsanlal (Information Minister) call in to try to defend the Minister's actions (never mind he eh talk to Hunt on de issue eh) and was trying to make it sound as if the Minister has every right to do what he do since Shaun is employed with the TTFF and not a Media person outright.  Dale tell him he wrong.

(This Neil Parsanlal is ah next one ah watching with one eye open....the official spin doctor for de Gov't.....but then again that is what dey paying him for)...

Then Dale & Toney started discussing why since the story broke last night and into this morning, the Sports Minister (via whatever means or person whether is the Minister himself [hardly likely] or the communications person Ms. Nunez) has not said anything to refute the story so far.

Anywho, dey going to try to get more information on the whole issue from the Sports Ministry's side in the next hour....stay tuned....
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 04, 2008, 07:19:29 AM
Ok....Chapter 2
Dey just talk to Fuentes...hold on...Hunt on de line now...

Edit:

Alright Chapter 2 & 3 together.....

Dey talk to Fuentes....he repeated basically what was outlined in the article above.....he said when he arrived he was asked why was he there since he was not invited.
He said he has always gone to such press conferences in the past and saw no reason to stay away since it was football related.

He clarified (so Neil Parsanlal could get it clear in he head) that he IS an accredited media person and he freelances as a journalist.  So he had every right to be there.

Chapter 3
Gary call in and say he NEVER tell Shaun Fuentes to leave and he (Fuentes) must have misunderstood what Ms. Nunez (de comms person) tell him.  He said that he inquired of Ms. Nunez who he (Fuentes) was and that was all.  He say he going to talk to Ms. Nunez about it but he repeated that HE NEVER TELL FUENTES TO LEAVE...

(Note that Feuntes asked Ms. Nunez if he should leave and she said yes..)
Unfortunately for de Minister, he is not a very good liar.....

So ah repeating mih original stance
Dis Minister is ah kakahole with a capital K.... >:(
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: dcs on April 04, 2008, 07:31:54 AM
Hunt just throw Nunez under the bus and say he never gave those instructions and he didn't know who Fuentes was.

Dem forget those mics very sensitive.

Hunt looking like a liar now and he was stammering to boot  :devil:
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: WestCoast on April 04, 2008, 07:36:47 AM
Ok, I know I live on the other side of the world, but I find the posts here amazing.
This site is full of discusions over TTFFs lack of financial control and whispers of money being diverted into peoples pockets. As I recall, TTFF even presented false accounts to the last minister when they tried to sort out the world cup bonuses.
Didn't TTFF say they only got $18 million or something when govt said they got $173 million?
People are dissin the government for asking to see how YOUR money is being spent before thy give out more. Seems to me, this minister should get a medal. He's protecting TAXPAYERS money.
And why should he be nice to Shaun Fuentes? TTFF couldn't be bothered to turn up because they know they can't show their accounts, but instead send their media guy to spy. Well, if Camps wanted to know what the minister was going to say, e should have got his ass down there. As for not having an agenda, Camps is an idiot. If theres no agenda, Camps can refuse to discuss subjects on the grounds he was not prepared. This should have been an exploratory meeting to discuss a meeting. Hunt says want he needs to see and Camps brings it to the next meeting. Simple. Or should I say, Simpaul?
I have no problem with Mr Fuentes, but I think he was sent there to collect info for Warners propoganda machine.  
Finally, Warner attacked the minister the other day. The gloves are off and Hunt should get tough. Its about time people stopped kissing Jacks ass.
This is just Jack telling Camps to disrespect Hunt. Jack thinks the public will take his side against the nasty minister. And you've fallen for it.
Wake up guys. Hunt may not be the best, but he certainly isn't going to offer Jack an open purse to repay his new mortgage. T&T football has needed accountability and transparency for years. Now its arriving, welcome it. It will clean up the game and drive out the crooks.
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
and I say go so far as to demand elections by all PFL teams to elect the TTFF administration every 4 years and get rid of the "special advisor" position if they want govt money in the future. ;)
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: truetrini on April 04, 2008, 08:07:31 AM
Take allyuh facking personal politics out ah dis.

Jack is de Kaka hole with de capital K.

The Minister has every right to run his ministry like ah private business in the sense that he decide he eh taking shit!

He was wrong to have Fuentes put out of the meeting.

If he did not know who Fuentes was, he ahd every right to assume he was press.   Additionally, he is ultimatley responsible for the actions of his staff.

In fairness though, I can also see the Ministry's position of Fuentes filming the goings-on as a paid rep of the TTFF especially after the TTFF oficals snubbed the meeting.

The Ministry's response is suspect, if as Shaun reports, he was asked why he was there from the get go!

I
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 04, 2008, 08:13:19 AM
Truetrini....unfortunately.....we cannot take politics out of this....it's not the main issue here, but once we dealing with Jack/TTFF vs. Gary/Sports ministry....it goh have ah undercurrent of politics

And we dealing with 2 kakaholes.....now ah know for sure de football goh suffer in between de 2 ah dem...
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: truetrini on April 04, 2008, 08:16:39 AM
Truetrini....unfortunately.....we cannot take politics out of this....it's not the main issue here, but once we dealing with Jack/TTFF vs. Gary/Sports ministry....it goh have ah undercurrent of politics

And we dealing with 2 kakaholes.....now ah know for sure de football goh suffer in between de 2 ah dem...


I am saying that Jack is the one bring politics into it, and we as fans should refrain from bringing our personal politics into the matter.

when Jack says the government is discriminating against black young men, we have a problem.

Especially when the Ministry claims to have paid over 100 million into the TTFF coffers.

The Government is building big sports complex, the Government is helping athletes, mostly black eh.
The Government is helping open Basketball league etc.

Take it fuh waht it is..smokescreen from Jack and the TTFF!
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Jah Gol on April 04, 2008, 08:20:43 AM
There are several reports of Hunt being discourteous and of bringing a pompous private sector attitude to the Ministry. They are too numerous to reject outright. He is hopeless inelegant in all of his pronouncements as well.   

I support the request for accountability though.
yuh mean effiencey? That ministry liek alot others is run ind e dinasour age? imagine this day and age the minister doesnt have emails getting directly to him instead they have to be fwded to the tech department and then someone has to print it out and carried to him? steups  the ineffiency and well trinidad lackadasical attitude is irksome. And as i keep saying alyuh know i not a fan of the pnm  but allyuh taking ttff propaganda.
 lot of people in the ministry complaining cause de man demanding work done and done properly.  All i hadda say is inna timin. He in charge of the ministry for how loong now?? give him some time. But he wroking with an arhciac system and culture..
My mother works for A ministry and is de worse and de best, worse to get anythign done and best place for a lime on a friday!!!
I understand what you're saying I work in the public service and know how bad it is. What I am talking about is the working relationship he has with various stakeholders.

From various reports in the media they (the sports associations) don't like him. Plain and simple they think is discourteous and condescending. This is what I have heard eh. The "pompous private sector attitude' comment is actually a quote I heard on a radio programme where Hunt was the subject of great criticism. 

I agree with you though, he must be given time to actually judge his performance. 
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Midknight on April 04, 2008, 08:25:18 AM
A: Does the minister want me to leave?
B: "That would be the wise thing to do"
C: Why did you tell A to leave?
D: I never gave any such instructions to B.
B: D never gave me any such instructions. A asked me my opinion on his presence and I suggested that it would be wise and better for everyone concerned if he chose to leave. Seeing that he complied, it would seem that he saw the wisdom in my suggestion.

Open and shut case...unfortunately

Hurry, hurry step right up, to the land where the gobar flows non stop...
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on April 04, 2008, 08:26:36 AM
Just Fix my f**king Pitch
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: truetrini on April 04, 2008, 08:27:54 AM
It is high time that the Government starts to ruh its business like a private sector business.  Trim the fat, demand accountability and bring higher standards into the Government!

As for Hunt being condescending, can it be a case of him demanding more accountability, and it is not a case of him demanding that business will no longer be conducted in the same old manner?
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 04, 2008, 08:35:44 AM
Truetrini....unfortunately.....we cannot take politics out of this....it's not the main issue here, but once we dealing with Jack/TTFF vs. Gary/Sports ministry....it goh have ah undercurrent of politics

And we dealing with 2 kakaholes.....now ah know for sure de football goh suffer in between de 2 ah dem...


I am saying that Jack is the one bring politics into it, and we as fans should refrain from bringing our personal politics into the matter.

when Jack says the government is discriminating against black young men, we have a problem.

Especially when the Ministry claims to have paid over 100 million into the TTFF coffers.

The Government is building big sports complex, the Government is helping athletes, mostly black eh.
The Government is helping open Basketball league etc.

Take it fuh waht it is..smokescreen from Jack and the TTFF!

TT ah hear yuh on not bringing personal politics into the thing....and I know Jackula will make any move by the Gov't out to be politically motivated, so there will always be some undercurrent of politics daiz just how it is.....

But Jackula could talk till he blue in de face NO ACCOUNTABILITY, NO MONEY!!!....I supported Roger Boynes when he asked for accountability and I will support Gary Hunt in his call too....

However, as Jah Gol pointed out, Gary Hunt has done some harm to the Sports fraternity since his arrival.  I know he hasn't been there long but this latest episode is just yet another example that maybe, just maybe, he should stick to the private sector....
However, time will tell....

Overall, we do agree how ever that the Ministry of Sports cannot continue to just give away money to de TTFF without accountability....if he (Gary Hunt) tell Jackula/TTFF to shove it....there will be no protest from me...
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: WestCoast on April 04, 2008, 08:52:58 AM
Hurry, hurry step right up, to the land where the gobar flows non stop...
I feel you really mean
FUBAR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUBAR)
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Organic on April 04, 2008, 08:55:45 AM
There are several reports of Hunt being discourteous and of bringing a pompous private sector attitude to the Ministry. They are too numerous to reject outright. He is hopeless inelegant in all of his pronouncements as well.   

I support the request for accountability though.
yuh mean effiencey? That ministry liek alot others is run ind e dinasour age? imagine this day and age the minister doesnt have emails getting directly to him instead they have to be fwded to the tech department and then someone has to print it out and carried to him? steups  the ineffiency and well trinidad lackadasical attitude is irksome. And as i keep saying alyuh know i not a fan of the pnm  but allyuh taking ttff propaganda.
 lot of people in the ministry complaining cause de man demanding work done and done properly.  All i hadda say is inna timin. He in charge of the ministry for how loong now?? give him some time. But he wroking with an arhciac system and culture..
My mother works for A ministry and is de worse and de best, worse to get anythign done and best place for a lime on a friday!!!
I understand what you're saying I work in the public service and know how bad it is. What I am talking about is the working relationship he has with various stakeholders.

From various reports in the media they (the sports associations) don't like him. Plain and simple they think is discourteous and condescending. This is what I have heard eh. The "pompous private sector attitude' comment is actually a quote I heard on a radio programme where Hunt was the subject of great criticism. 

I agree with you though, he must be given time to actually judge his performance. 
jah u know why alot of those orgainsations dont liek him. He cause told them get thier selves in gear and he is nto going to continue giving them money if they dont show acoc**tabilty with results in terms of ok how is sports progressing. Which is needed. That is why thye moaning the man want the federations to stopm miliking the goivernment with nuttin to show for it, no real progress..what worng with that. On a personality note i dont knwo if he condesending or pompouus.. but maybe dais what needed because we all know if it was a private or forgien compnay demanded acounatbility they woulda be fornt and center to rpesent it.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Organic on April 04, 2008, 08:57:05 AM
AND FOR THE AUTHUNETRINI CHALLENGED>>
gobar MEANS COWSHIT.....steups wikipedia dont have that one??? :-X
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Coop's on April 04, 2008, 09:01:33 AM
I am one who try to be neutral and fair to both sides but if you ask me i'll have to give it to the Hunt,i can't understand the TTFF don't want to attend the meeting but you want all the information(media coverage) that went on there,that can't be right.One thing i can say though is it's nice to see people on here supporting Jack and his boys for once,it's hard to please anybody in this game don't matter what you do your turn coming.

What happen to Fuentes should be expected because he is not just another newsman,he is the TTFF mouthpiece that's why he was targeted,newsmen encounter this kind of abuse all the time,Lasana got his share from Jack at one time,even that English reporter that was investigating the ticket scandal with Jack(Simpaul) came in for some rough handling,i felt if the minister felt uncomfortable with Fuentes in the room he right to ask him to leave.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 04, 2008, 09:18:01 AM
Lasana got his share from Jack at one time,even that English reporter that was investigating the ticket scandal with Jack(Simpaul) came in for some rough handling,

I hope yuh don't mean that Lasana got what was coming to him because he expose Jackula??  Cuz say what yuh want, if it were not for Lasana, we, de unsuspecting public woulda pay through we nose to go to Germany back in 06


What happen to Fuentes should be expected because he is not just another newsman,he is the TTFF mouthpiece that's why he was targeted,newsmen encounter this kind of abuse all the time.  I felt if the minister felt uncomfortable with Fuentes in the room he right to ask him to leave.


There was an interesting discussion after the Gary and Fuentes phone calls to I95.5 fm this morning, that asked the question when does a journalist who has become the PRO of an organisation (as in Fuentes' case), stop being a journalist and start being a PRO and as such cannot just attend a press conference and not be seen as simply a journalist but a rep of the organisation.

Now, he said that Ms. Nunez stated when he arrived that he was not invited.  So what is the procedure then?  Do you have to be invited to a press conference? Or can you just go as a media person having heard about it?

However Coops based on what I heard on the radio this morning and until more information comes to light,  the Minister and his Coms person handled the whole thing badly and I on Fuentes side....
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: KND2 on April 04, 2008, 09:21:22 AM
Bim and Bam

Both TTFF and Hunt are a bunch of idiots

maybe the problem is that we are all Trinidadians  :rotfl:

Let meh sing a Kaiso

They Try manning
They Try panday
same crap

They Try Jack
They Try Camps
Same Crap

They Try Boynes
They Try Hunt
Same Crap

Crick Crack
Like they want to break
Fuentes Back.



Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: truetrini on April 04, 2008, 09:28:17 AM
KND you come up with that all by yuhself?

Yuh facking improving man, yuh moving from village idiot to prime A grade beh-beh

steups :devil:
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: WestCoast on April 04, 2008, 09:33:58 AM
free up ya self brudda
only a GROWN MAN would answer like that
ya ent like FUBAR try this one then SNAFU
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2008, 10:01:11 AM
Fuentes:

The TTFF "chop off" the TD's feet and expect him to "run". That story is yet to be written. Why? ??? Now it's appropriate to invoke his name, when it suits your purpose ent ???

I glad I not the only one seeing it...

Quote
On arrival, Ministry of Sport communications specialist Natasha Nunez expressed her surprise on seeing Fuentes present, saying that no invitation was sent to the TTFF. She was later told by Fuentes that it was only customary that any press conference relating to the TTFF would have the presence of the Federation’s media officer

This Shaun Fuentes is ah backside or what?  They call meeting fuh allyuh and allyuh decide allyuh NOT showing up.  Fine.  They hold press conference and deliberately DID NOT invite allyuh, yet they send you to macco, camera in hand.  Then yuh have the nerve to talk about how de man "seemed lost to such multimedia usage"...throwing word fuh de man on top of referring to him as a "rookie".  Dat is 'journalism' too??

Then de coup de grace...

Quote
The former Guardian full time journalist who could also pose as a freelance journalist

...the facker referring to himself in the 3rd person, talking about how he could pose as a freelance journalist, LOL  "Pose" is right...because you eh no blasted journalist...you is Jack and Oliver Camps b!tch...whatever they tell you tuh write yuh will write, yuh spineless hack.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: weary1969 on April 04, 2008, 10:02:29 AM
I tired oh Goddddddd ah tired. I know somebody who wuk wit Hunt in Radicals and did not have a problem with him. I know somebody who wuking with him now in d Ministry and she did not have a problem with him when he first game.

I have not spoken 2 her in a bit but I just tired. Let d Special Adviser just morgage ah next property and continue funding d programme. That is what has been happening let it continue 4 get d gov't
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2008, 10:05:04 AM
this debacle encapsulates everything that is wrong with T&T football

it's a dead heat as to who are the biggest bunch of f**kwits, the TTFF or the Sports Ministry

do feel sorry for Shaun Fuentes thou, it sounds like the man is caught between a rock and a hard place



On what basis do you conclude that the Sports Ministry is a "f**kwit" in this instance?

I'm curious to hear your take.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2008, 10:07:59 AM
Are we in Cuba?

Hunt seems irrational and picking which sport to support depending on who he like and who he eh like.

This man acting like Panday when it come to the media...u throw a media person out of a press conference?  TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE....damn gestapo.  U too Nunez u should have advised that clown he was acting inappropriately.

I am pretty sure the TD was involved in the drafting of the budget because I think it was him who was mainly responsible for getting funds in the past for some other key programs from SPORTT.

Doh get it wrong...he eh throw no 'media person'...he throw a TTFF representative.  Some ah allyuh so anti-PNM that any and everything they do wrong.  To the point that allyuh can't see reality before allyuh eyes.

Throw he macco c**t out oui.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2008, 10:09:52 AM
Ok, I know I live on the other side of the world, but I find the posts here amazing.

This site is full of discusions over TTFFs lack of financial control and whispers of money being diverted into peoples pockets. As I recall, TTFF even presented false accounts to the last minister when they tried to sort out the world cup bonuses.

Didn't TTFF say they only got $18 million or something when govt said they got $173 million?

People are dissin the government for asking to see how YOUR money is being spent before thy give out more. Seems to me, this minister should get a medal. He's protecting TAXPAYERS money.

And why should he be nice to Shaun Fuentes? TTFF couldn't be bothered to turn up because they know they can't show their accounts, but instead send their media guy to spy.
Well, if Camps wanted to know what the minister was going to say, e should have got his ass down there. As for not having an agenda, Camps is an idiot. If theres no agenda, Camps can refuse to discuss subjects on the grounds he was not prepared. This should have been an expoloratory meeting to discuss a meeting. Hunt says want he needs to see and Camps brings it to the next meeting. Simple. Or should I say, Simpaul?

I have no problem with Mr Fuentes, but I think he was sent there to collect info for Warners propoganda machine.  

Finally, Warner attacked the minister the other day. The gloves are off and Hunt should get tough. Its about time people stopped kissing Jacks ass.

This is just Jack telling Camps to disrespect Hunt. Jack thinks the public will take his side against the nasty minister. And you've fallen for it.

Wake up guys. Hunt may not be the best, but he certainly isn't going to offer Jack an open purse to repay his new mortgage. T&T football has needed accountability and transparency for years. Now its arriving, welcome it. It will clean up the game and drive out the crooks.

Same facking thing I'm saying!!!


I can't believe people in here criticizing the government over this and overlooking the blatant game of smoke and mirrors being perpetrated before their very eyes.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: WestCoast on April 04, 2008, 10:13:42 AM
Bakes, you on a ROLL today man
you saving me "one set ah posts" with ALL you have mentioned ;D ;D
 :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2008, 10:17:15 AM
They were just on I95.5 discussing the issue.  Dale & Toney took the position that Shaun Fuentes is a media person and as such has every right to be at the press conference....

Neil Parsanlal (Information Minister) call in to try to defend the Minister's actions (never mind he eh talk to Hunt on de issue eh) and was trying to make it sound as if the Minister has every right to do what he do since Shaun is employed with the TTFF and not a Media person outright.  Dale tell him he wrong.
(This Neil Parsanlal is ah next one ah watching with one eye open....the official spin doctor for de Gov't.....but then again that is what dey paying him for)...

Then Dale & Toney started discussing why since the story broke last night and into this morning, the Sports Minister (via whatever means or person whether is the Minister himself [hardly likely] or the communications person Ms. Nunez) has not said anything to refute the story so far.

Anywho, dey going to try to get more information on the whole issue from the Sports Ministry's side in the next hour....stay tuned....


Dotish ass Trinidadians again.  "Dale and Toney" apparently doh know their ass from their elbows.  Since Shaun Fuentes is a media person how come we NEVER hear anything even remotely critical of the TTFF?  Why dey eh go ask Shaun Fuentes what that permanent brown stain above his lips is?


God bless de schupid people in my country yes.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2008, 10:30:24 AM
Bakes, you on a ROLL today man
you saving me "one set ah posts" with ALL you have mentioned ;D ;D
 :applause: :applause:

It too early in this blessed day for me to be working myself up eh...but it's amazing how simplistic some people in Trinidad is.  And then we have the nerve to turn around and wonder why our football is in the state that it is.  Mind you, all of this started over what??  "Accountability", right?  Anybody talking accountability now?  "Dale and Toney" asking anybody anything about accountability??  Shaun Fuentes...de "freelance journalist" calling de radio to demand accountability?  What...he's ah "full-fledged media person" depending on which side ah Jack bed he wake up in de morning...or which color toothbrush he use??  steups


Now all talk of "accountability" get push aside and people up in arms about Gary ("Isaac" to hear Fishs tell it) Hunt and how he rude, and how he's gestapo...and "poor Shaun".  Let poor Shaun haul he mudda c**t if he could still find it.  He in league with de Devil but when it suits his fancy he clip two dollar store wing on he back and acting like ah angel...pissin on these fool and dem head and have dem convinced is rain.

Watch, juss now everybody go fuhget about "accountability".
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: WestCoast on April 04, 2008, 10:35:03 AM
I believe that you put it very eloquently when you said: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_and_mirrors)


it go grind some people arse that I put a link

He in league with de Devil but when it suits his fancy he clip two dollar store wing an he back and acting like ah angel
aye, who writes your stuff :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: spideybuff on April 04, 2008, 10:36:21 AM
This Sports Minister is a kakahole.....

Well that is probably exactly what we need in order to get ANY of the sport administrations doing something right. All they do is sit in the office and steal money that should be going to the athletes...all of them! And then argue for more money and how they not getting government support.

Every administration takes whatever money the governement gives them and pays their salary, their plane tickets and their accommodation before they even look at anything to do with the sports under their control.

So if he is kakahole, especiallly to Jack and them, i have no problem with that if we see results once people do as he request
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Organic on April 04, 2008, 10:38:16 AM
Well as i said early this morning peopel letting partisan politics affetc thier answrs..
one minute TTFF IS de worse next cause pnm goverment member in volved ttff become......
i do not like the pnm goverment it eh no scerect but i know they have some good people and i think hunt is one. I maybe proven worng but i eh think so. time will tell
but all dat bullshit about u cyah come but i go send a media officer assness

**edit
i glad hunt didnt get into a shouting match wiht jack...wiht the last bit of drivel he came up with. The man actually is involved in sports actively so he should know a bit about the problems facing the area. he is not just an unacquainted administrator  as so often happens.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: spideybuff on April 04, 2008, 10:42:27 AM
And Fuentes is not media. If you go to any organisation they have PR or marketing department who issues press releases for the company, that is what Fuentes is.As far as i know, they just can't walk in any press conference without being invited. I can's see BPTT PR officer walking into a Petrotrin news conference just to...so the Minister was within his rights eh ppl.

I really doh understand why people on this site still trying to find ways to defend Jack.
Nothing! Nothing the man ever does is above board...get that through allyuh head and we could start fighting back once u recognise the problem. Is like being an alcoholic...we can't move forward if you still in denial. Just accept that Jack is always trying to get away with something, and we could work with that.


"The Enemy of my enemy is my friend"
"If you have to choose, choose the lesser of two evils."
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2008, 10:44:51 AM
This Sports Minister is a kakahole.....

Well that is probably exactly what we need in order to get ANY of the sport administrations doing something right. All they do is sit in the office and steal money that should be going to the athletes...all of them! And then argue for more money and how they not getting government support.

Every administration takes whatever money the governement gives them and pays their salary, their plane tickets and their accommodation before they even look at anything to do with the sports under their control.

So if he is kakahole, especiallly to Jack and them, i have no problem with that if we see results once people do as he request

Again...I am happy I'm not the only one seeing it.  As a "full-fledged media person"...or freelance journalist poser...whatever name he make up fuh heself...did Shaun Fuentes ever stand up for his fellow media person, Lasana Liburd when Jack, Camps and Wim were being rude to him?

Forgetting him for a second...like people not doing this math or what?  In the first 18 months SINCE Germany TTFF has received $100 million from the government....or $16.6 million USD.  What has happened to that money??

But we are supposed to be upset that Gary Hunt didn't send them an agenda and because he kick out dey favorite lap dog?  steups.   The government tell allyuh they calling a meeting to discuss what allyuh did with the people money...WHAT OTHER AGENDA ALLYUH NEED???
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: kounty on April 04, 2008, 10:45:44 AM
a lot of talk about the surrounding issues... which are important - like accredited media should be allowed to all media events, right?  even though they far, far left, or right, or have hidden agenda, or not.  2 wrongs don't make a right, so hopefully God give the Gov't the grace to lead and show the right way...even when you know the terrorists in Guantanomo need a little waterboarding to save thousands of innocent lives..

But the main issue here is the Government role in football.  The government can't run football, according to fifa rules (and with good reason).  TTFF constantly complaining that they don't have money to pay the coaches, so gov't say alright...we go handle the coaches.  TTFF gets to decide who to hire and fire with Govt money.   TTFF has the political sway that comes with the check book.  I think the Gov't set themselves up in a dangerous union, cuz when they hold out on they funds, is Jack with the 'I had to mortgage house' etc etc...inflate the bill of the loan to the TTFF, so when the people see the football suffer enough and tell Gov't to come back on board..TTFF owe Jack in the long run.  To me is like they caught between a rock and a hard place.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bourbon on April 04, 2008, 10:49:26 AM
There are several reports of Hunt being discourteous and of bringing a pompous private sector attitude to the Ministry. They are too numerous to reject outright. He is hopeless inelegant in all of his pronouncements as well.   

I support the request for accountability though.
yuh mean effiencey? That ministry liek alot others is run ind e dinasour age? imagine this day and age the minister doesnt have emails getting directly to him instead they have to be fwded to the tech department and then someone has to print it out and carried to him? steups  the ineffiency and well trinidad lackadasical attitude is irksome. And as i keep saying alyuh know i not a fan of the pnm  but allyuh taking ttff propaganda.
 lot of people in the ministry complaining cause de man demanding work done and done properly.  All i hadda say is inna timin. He in charge of the ministry for how loong now?? give him some time. But he wroking with an arhciac system and culture..
My mother works for A ministry and is de worse and de best, worse to get anythign done and best place for a lime on a friday!!!
I understand what you're saying I work in the public service and know how bad it is. What I am talking about is the working relationship he has with various stakeholders.

From various reports in the media they (the sports associations) don't like him. Plain and simple they think is discourteous and condescending. This is what I have heard eh. The "pompous private sector attitude' comment is actually a quote I heard on a radio programme where Hunt was the subject of great criticism.  
I agree with you though, he must be given time to actually judge his performance. 


If that was a Spalk Radio Program with Frankie Boodram representing the TT Autosports Association...dem have a axe to grind with Hunte long time.
So take that with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on April 04, 2008, 10:57:51 AM
Whether Hunt is a jackass or not has ZERO bearing if the Ministry is being properly run.  Let him force TTFF to clean the sh*t off their shoes before they enter people house.

The private sector attitude is badly needed in government.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Quags on April 04, 2008, 11:01:10 AM
just my two cents ....After that attack last week by Jack ,the TTFF just expect to waltz een the the man conference ,lol .He like who invite you ,get out ,and tell yah boss he under investigation,this has nothing to do with Shawn,like bakes say ,when u in bed with the devil you must get burn .
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 04, 2008, 11:08:28 AM
As I said before I am all for finding out from Jackula and he croonies what de hell they doing wid we money....

As for the Fuentes situation I raised the point (cuz I don't know), what is the procedure are you supposed to get invited or can you just show up?  He is an accredited media person who stated that he would usually attend press conferences before without trouble.  De Sports Ministry should have dealt with it decisively the moment he arrived and tell him to leave.  

And to say that Fuentes is not media or a journalist because he has yet to defend Lasana is not fair, Lasana has been "battling" Jack by himself and doesn't have the full support of his media colleagues.
And it the question has been raised before, can we really expect Shaun to speak out against the TTFF??...

My initial reaction to what happened stemmed from what appears to be yet another incident involving this Minister.  And then he tries to twist the facts about what happen and blame his PR person.  Lawd fadder....ah don't know how much more unprofessional you could get.

As I said before, all in all the only thing that going to suffer further because of adminstration is the state of the game in this country and that is enough to make me feel  :'( :frustrated: :banginghead: :banginghead:

This latest incident eh helping nobody....
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: kentsoulman on April 04, 2008, 11:08:51 AM
I gotta say that we're all playing into Jacks hands here. Most of the posts here have been concerned with the removal of Shaun Fuentes. Magicians call this technique DISTRACTION. This is what Jack and Ollie are doing.

The story here is why didn't Camps turn up with the TTFF accounts so that Hunt could approve more funding? TTFF are stony broke. They need cash fast. This is the story. Hunts actions have allowed us to be distracted from the big issue. Camps tried the same thing with his "no agenda" accusation.

As for Fuentes, Bakes, I think you're being unfair. His job is to spin everything to TTFFs favour. Thats what he gets paid to do. He does it very, very well and is one of TTFFs major weapons. If FPATT could afford him, they would have him working for them. No one has ever asked him if he agrees with TTFF (obviously, he would not comment).

But you can't blame a policeman for arresting your friend who just commited murder. Someone has to do the job. Its a lucrative job and if Shaun didn't do it, someone else would. Where would he get another job like this. Whether or not he agrees with TTFF, he gives 100%.

However, I totally agree with Bakes when he says that Fuentes should be removed. He is not an independent journalist. He bats for the opposition. And the opposition have twice disrespected Hunt this week. If Shaun wants to be a free lance journalist, he should write a piece for  the paper WITHOUT putting a TTFF slant on it and condeming Jacks actions.

Don't shoot the messenger, guys, but also don't let him into the showers until you know hes got a girlfriend.  
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: WestCoast on April 04, 2008, 11:26:36 AM
Brownsugar,
read this post again

A: Does the minister want me to leave?
B: "That would be the wise thing to do"
C: Why did you tell A to leave?
D: I never gave any such instructions to B.
B: D never gave me any such instructions. A asked me my opinion on his presence and I suggested that it would be wise and better for everyone concerned if he chose to leave. Seeing that he complied, it would seem that he saw the wisdom in my suggestion.

Open and shut case...unfortunately


Hurry, hurry step right up, to the land where the gobar flows non stop...

then this one again
And Fuentes is not media. If you go to any organisation they have PR or marketing department who issues press releases for the company, that is what Fuentes is.As far as i know, they just can't walk in any press conference without being invited. I can's see BPTT PR officer walking into a Petrotrin news conference just to...so the Minister was within his rights eh ppl.

I really doh understand why people on this site still trying to find ways to defend Jack.
Nothing! Nothing the man ever does is above board...get that through allyuh head and we could start fighting back once u recognise the problem. Is like being an alcoholic...we can't move forward if you still in denial. Just accept that Jack is always trying to get away with something, and we could work with that.


"The Enemy of my enemy is my friend"
"If you have to choose, choose the lesser of two evils."
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2008, 11:38:54 AM
As for Fuentes, Bakes, I think you're being unfair. His job is to spin everything to TTFFs favour. Thats what he gets paid to do. He does it very, very well and is one of TTFFs major weapons. If FPATT could afford him, they would have him working for them. No one has ever asked him if he agrees with TTFF (obviously, he would not comment).

But you can't blame a policeman for arresting your friend who just commited murder. Someone has to do the job. Its a lucrative job and if Shaun didn't do it, someone else would. Where would he get another job like this. Whether or not he agrees with TTFF, he gives 100%. 

How am I being unfair?  I've long recognized Shaun Fuentes for the french poodle that he is...when Jack holds out his biscuit Shaun wags his tail and comes running.  I once thought him a "journalist" until I woke up one day and saw the light...he's Jack's paid mouthpiece... I made my peace with that knowledge once I realized I had to read everything he published within context.  He's not now free to flaunt his press credentials and proclaim himself a "freelance journalist"...whom does he freelance for?  Since he entered into the employ of the TTFF has he published anything in any capacity other than the TTFF's media officer?  He was not a freelancer before the TTFF (he was at the TT Guardian) and he hasn't been a freelancer since...so his only known current capacity is that of the TTFF media officer.

Your analogy with the policeman doesn't hold up either....if the policeman is objectively enforcing the law then no one can argue when he simply does his job.  If however the police man is accepting payments from criminal elements on the sly, and then whenever the mood hits him he suddenly remember why he was given a badge, a uniform and the public's trust...then by all means he deserves to be castigated.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: dcs on April 04, 2008, 11:50:53 AM

Looks like the media association eh taking too kindly to this and apparently some other things related to treatment of media.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: WestCoast on April 04, 2008, 11:53:20 AM
I've long recognized Shaun Fuentes for the french poodle that he is
point of clarification please
poodle or
Lapdog?
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2008, 11:55:50 AM
As I said before I am all for finding out from Jackula and he croonies what de hell they doing wid we money....

As for the Fuentes situation I raised the point (cuz I don't know), what is the procedure are you supposed to get invited or can you just show up?  He is an accredited media person who stated that he would usually attend press conferences before without trouble.  De Sports Ministry should have dealt with it decisively the moment he arrived and tell him to leave.  

I don't know who you work for...but could you show up at the press conference with a video camera and filming...do you think?  The accreditation of journalist being the shambolic mirage that it is aside...when last have you has ANYONE known Shaun Fuentes to function in any capacity other than that of TTFF Media Officer?  As I stated before he has held himself out to be nothing more than the mouthpiece of the TTFF the past several years...why then should he complain when that is exactly how people treat him?  He does not act like a journalist, so he should not be surprised when he's treated accordingly, no?

So...him NOT being a journalist (in the eyes of the Sports Ministry), he has no business at a press conference for the media.  He's seen as a TTFF...representative (taking all inferences most favorable to him), and the TTFF pointedly declined to present themselves for accounting so he was made to feel uncomfortable.  Treat it as a technicality if you want, but from the account Hunt never asked him to leave, nor ask that he leave.  Ms. Nunez was asked by Fuentes is he should leave, and she informed him that it probably would be best.  A fair inference is that word came from Hunt...but there's no actual indication that it did...is there?

Quote
And to say that Fuentes is not media or a journalist because he has yet to defend Lasana is not fair, Lasana has been "battling" Jack by himself and doesn't have the full support of his media colleagues.
And it the question has been raised before, can we really expect Shaun to speak out against the TTFF??...

Please don't engage in selective reading...at no point did I imply that Fuentes wasn't a journalist because he didn't defend Lasana.  What I DID say is that he should be the last person to complain about being rudely treated (especially in his capacity as a 'journalist'), since his own masters are known for their hostility and uncouth behavior (including such directed at other journalists...Lasana and Andrew Jennings most notably).

As for the latter question whether we can really expect Shaun to speak out against the TTFF...why not?  Isn't he a full-fledged media person?  Isn't he a 'freelancer'??  Why can't he...as a freelancer, speak out against what is OBVIOUSLY wrong?  Or is the implication that he cannot speak out since he's in the employ of Jack Warner?  Since that is the implication (answering my own question)...since he's at all times mindful of what he says about his employer...then he cannot claim to be a journalist...whose job it is to report the news with an impartial, observant and at times critical eye.  Discovery (as in revealing, not 'finding') of the truth is the foundation of journalism and Shaun Fuentes has not lived up to that standard...I challenge you to prove otherwise.  That being the case he doesn't get the right to call himself a journalist whenever it meets his fancy.

I know some of you are defensive of Fuentes because allyuh friendly with the fella...pardon my assumption if that doesn't apply to you....but is this friend friend thing that continues to retard the progress of Trinidad in far too many quarters.  What's right is right...and what's wrong can never be right...friend or no friend.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 04, 2008, 12:55:09 PM
Bakes first things first....I doh know Fuentes from a can of paint so you're pardoned. 

Then, I repeat the Minister/PR person handled the whole thing badly.  He should not have been let in the press conference in the first place.
Then having let him in why not just leave him and deal with him afterwards?  He said he's used to attending these press conferences and as such if there was a change in procedure stemming from a change in the guards (Roger to Gary) they should have dealt with him decisively at the door or afterwards.  It was not like a BPTT PR walking in a Petrotrin press conference, it's something he's used to doing.

Further, the Minister was not very convincing in his attempt to explain what happened.  He really sounded as though he got caught in the middle of something that could be seen an anti-media and tried to take himself out. 

Further still, we wouldn't be discussing this today if he/PR person had dealt with it differently.  We would be discussing the contents of the press conference which was to examine or deal with the lack of information coming from the TTFF about how our money is being spent.

So we had these two men (Jackula and Gary) deciding to flex their muscles meanwhile football still suffering....

And let me be clear again....my defence of Fuentes IS NOT IN ANYWAY CONDONING JACK AND HE CROONIES!!!....
And I too think de Minister damn right to demand dat dey get every bit of information from de TTFF, so between the players and this Minister perhaps once and for all we will get the truth from these people.
Title: THE BALL IS IN THE TTFF HALF NOW
Post by: Babalawo on April 04, 2008, 01:06:18 PM
LET THE GARY 'C'HUNT & JACK'ASS WARNER WAR BEGIN.  C'Hunt  have no right to embarass Shaun Fuentes and lie  in front of shaun's media peers.  Usually media personnels suppose to be granted a PRESS PASS and if Shaun was not granted one, then its the security's fault that he got in the building in the first place.  its not C'Hunt's business to embarass him like that.  Now the BIG issues is that Hunt is right the TTFF MUST present an official budget to show how much they did and will be spend because its the 'citizen right' to know where their taxes are being spent.  I think everyone will agree with that.  That puts the ball in Oliver Scyamps half, so let see what he will do with it.  TTFF SHOW THE OFFICIAL BUDGET AND YOU WILL GET MONEY. THAT'S IT TALK DONE. LETS CUT THE NONSENSE AND GO ON IN BUILDING T&T FOOTBALL LIKE YOU PLEDGE.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2008, 01:14:32 PM
Bakes first things first....I doh know Fuentes from a can of paint so you're pardoned. 

Then, I repeat the Minister/PR person handled the whole thing badly.  He should not have been let in the press conference in the first place.
Then having let him in why not just leave him and deal with him afterwards?  He said he's used to attending these press conferences and as such if there was a change in procedure stemming from a change in the guards (Roger to Gary) they should have dealt with him decisively at the door or afterwards.  It was not like a BPTT PR walking in a Petrotrin press conference, it's something he's used to doing.

Further, the Minister was not very convincing in his attempt to explain what happened.  He really sounded as though he got caught in the middle of something that could be seen an anti-media and tried to take himself out. 

Further still, we wouldn't be discussing this today if he/PR person had dealt with it differently.  We would be discussing the contents of the press conference which was to examine or deal with the lack of information coming from the TTFF about how our money is being spent.

So we had these two men (Jackula and Gary) deciding to flex their muscles meanwhile football still suffering....

And let me be clear again....my defence of Fuentes IS NOT IN ANYWAY CONDONING JACK AND HE CROONIES!!!....
And I too think de Minister damn right to demand dat dey get every bit of information from de TTFF, so between the players and this Minister perhaps once and for all we will get the truth from these people.

There's no need for us to continue going back and forth on the other issues...I think for the most part we agree.  However on this point...he was used to coming and going as he pleased because a) no one questioned him before; b) No one undertook such an effort to bring accountability to the proceedings... and then on top of that to be bold-facedly rebuffed by the TTFF ("we not coming").  So again...if yuh not coming, regardless as to what Boynes did in the past, then you are NOT welcomed to send your mutt.

As for barring him from the get got...you think them people have time to stand up by the door and screen everybody coming into the press conference?  Is not like they siddung there just looking out fuh 'Shaun Fuentes'...when they recognize de mole in their midst they responded accordingly.  I could juss hear Camps and Groden and dem:

"he want we to just come and show up and open up we book juss because HE say so??  Who de ass Gary Hunt think he is...he eh know who he dealing wid or what?  He ent we boss.  Shaun, ah hear dey holding ah press conference...go down dey and see what yuh could find out".

Press corp could be upset all they want, all ah dem complicit in remaining silent while TTFF committing all manners ah bobol, now all ah sudden they want to act collectively aggrieved.  Give me a break.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: WestCoast on April 04, 2008, 01:18:33 PM
Press corp could be upset all they want, all ah dem complicit in remaining silent while TTFF committing all manners ah bobol, now all ah sudden they want to act collectively aggrieved.  Give me a break.
where that ball gorn?
you give it a good vup there man :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
very Laraesque ;) ;)

Jack want to have he cake AND eat it too
Fuentes is either TTFF media rep
OR he is an "independent journalist"

NOT BOTH
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2008, 01:21:55 PM
where that ball gorn?
you give it a good vup there man :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
very Laraesque ;) ;)

Jack want to have he cake AND eat it too
Fuentes is either TTFF media rep
OR he is an "independent journalist"

NOT BOTH



Ah hear Shaun went KFC after dey kick him out...


(http://gadgets.boingboing.net/gimages/sad%20vader.jpg)
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: WestCoast on April 04, 2008, 01:23:29 PM
how he quiet quiet :devil:

check de digital voice recorder....cute eh :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 04, 2008, 01:24:39 PM
Bakes, I made mention of stopping him at the door because he said that when he arrived, he was asked (by the PR person) why he was there since he was not invited.  Right then and there he should have been told to get out.

They knew who he was from the outset.  

And if the media does make an issue of this, the state ah de football going and get lost in all de bachanal again.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: WestCoast on April 04, 2008, 01:30:05 PM
Bakes, I made mention of stopping him at the door because he said that when he arrived, he was asked (by the PR person) why he was there since he was not invited.  Right then and there he should have been told to get out.

They knew who he was from the outset.  

And if the media does make an issue of this, the state ah de football going and get lost in all de bachanal again.
I going and give Hunt the Bligh here.....
From now on things will be different
Keep up the way you going Mr. Minister.
Jack must be saying...
"what de armen wrong with this fella...I control FOOTBALL in the Caribbean, and I PUT Sepp in POWER.... wooo ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha" ;)    said in a Dracula voice
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2008, 01:30:33 PM
Bakes, I made mention of stopping him at the door because he said that when he arrived, he was asked (by the PR person) why he was there since he was not invited.  Right then and there he should have been told to get out.

They knew who he was from the outset.  

And if the media does make an issue of this, the state ah de football going and get lost in all de bachanal again.

He said Ms. Nunez recognized him and approached him, surprised that he was there since he wasn't invited...true.  My guess is that she was looking at him in his capacity as TTFF Media Officer.  It's not her place to disinvite anyone (would be my guess) so that call wasn't made.  Later on Hunt made it clear that he'd rather Fuentes not be there (rightly in my book).  Whether he expressly gave an order to have him removed, or whether Fuente's departure was the result of more indirect actions ("he asked a question, I gave him my opinion") is a matter of conjecture at this point.

I agree with you that his identity likely was known from the outset...I was disappointed to read that he claimed to not know who he was.  It could be true since he's only met Jack himself once or twice (according to him)...so maybe he genuinely isn't familiar with TTFF staff.  However, by the time Fuentes left I pretty sure he knew who he was.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Quags on April 04, 2008, 01:33:07 PM
All I know Shawn is hook we up with Interviews and Vids ,even doh jack must be hate we .So I like shawn .So yeah nothing wrong having friends on the dark side.....2 more cents.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: WestCoast on April 04, 2008, 01:36:47 PM
All I know Shawn is hook we up with Interviews and Vids ,
Yes YES
I am very grateful for those videos
THAT is Fuentes doing his job as TTFF Media Rep :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
Thank you sir...very good work
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: GunnerStunner on April 04, 2008, 01:48:58 PM
This Sports Minister is a kakahole.....

we shuold send him ah shirt ac milan number 10 :kakahole:
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: truetrini on April 04, 2008, 02:03:13 PM
This Sports Minister is a kakahole.....

we shuold send him ah shirt ac milan number 10 :kakahole:


take ah picture we go put it on de back ah de shirt so we have ah matching physical description of ah
 kaka hole nah.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Babalawo on April 04, 2008, 02:07:11 PM
Bakes, I made mention of stopping him at the door because he said that when he arrived, he was asked (by the PR person) why he was there since he was not invited.  Right then and there he should have been told to get out.

They knew who he was from the outset.  

And if the media does make an issue of this, the state ah de football going and get lost in all de bachanal again.

That wat i saying too. at my media job we have a thing called a PRESS PASS,for security reasons.  if u dont have one, you dont get in. its like a ticket to get in a concert
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Babalawo on April 04, 2008, 02:10:06 PM
All I know Shawn is hook we up with Interviews and Vids ,even doh jack must be hate we .So I like shawn .So yeah nothing wrong having friends on the dark side.....2 more cents.
CAH WAIT FOR HE TO POST IT ON YOUTUBE. I PRESSING REFRESH EVERY MINUTE. http://youtube.com/user/TnTSocaWarriors
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: WestCoast on April 04, 2008, 02:13:42 PM
All I know Shawn is hook we up with Interviews and Vids ,even doh jack must be hate we .So I like shawn .So yeah nothing wrong having friends on the dark side.....2 more cents.
CAH WAIT FOR HE TO POST IT ON YOUTUBE. I PRESSING REFRESH EVERY MINUTE. http://youtube.com/user/TnTSocaWarriors
Good one ;D ;D
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Quags on April 04, 2008, 02:23:52 PM
All I know Shawn is hook we up with Interviews and Vids ,
Yes YES
I am very grateful for those videos
THAT is Fuentes doing his job as TTFF Media Rep :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
Thank you sir...very good work
Nah is not he job ,cause is years he working there ,and only just start .So the man is take he good mind and hook we up ,even study what songs will go good with it ..........even doh he could skip that  ;D..And if he stop ,he eh go get in no trouble. No matter what ,if Shawn cyah talk he mind and tell us ,what we doh already know ,infact am sure he learns alot about his boss rite here .All go happen is he go lose his wuk ,and no vids .
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: elan on April 04, 2008, 03:30:34 PM
Hear what I saying about this........Fuentes is a stooge. The president and special advisor did not get invite but the press officer present? :bs:  He was sent there to hear and film what go on, to run back and tell the bosses who say what. What he talking about "Rookie Minister." As soon as someone call for accountability from the TTFF they don't know what they doing and they is novice.
Screw the TTFF and their reps, they is ah bunch ah liars and thievies. If they toss him (Shaun) out it good...I say it good. The reports from the federation does be to convienient. Come straight, why Shaun don't explain why the no one from the TTFF went.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 04, 2008, 03:38:23 PM
.I was disappointed to read that he claimed to not know who he was.  

Bakes dat is what annoy mih initially bout de whole thing...de man was just hemming and hawing about what happen.  Why not just come out and say yes I threw him out.  He just kept side stepping giving a direct answer as if he KNOW he do shit...if yuh throw him out,  just say so.

Anywho ah done....we goh have disagree on dis one.... :beermug:
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Brownsugar on April 04, 2008, 03:39:10 PM
....oh and de Darth Vader thing....funny man, funny....

 :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2008, 03:48:33 PM
.I was disappointed to read that he claimed to not know who he was.  

Bakes dat is what annoy mih initially bout de whole thing...de man was just hemming and hawing about what happen.  Why not just come out and say yes I threw him out.  He just kept side stepping giving a direct answer as if he KNOW he do shit...if yuh throw him out,  just say so.

Anywho ah done....we goh have disagree on dis one.... :beermug:
I personally think he playing coward...I think this whole thing about the rest of the media taking umbrage have him frighten that he bringing more on he head than he could bear.  Man like me woulda tell dem tuh haul dey ass if dey vex...that what the should be outraged at is a stool pigeon like Fuentes calling heself ah journalist.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Midknight on April 04, 2008, 03:49:29 PM
I gotta say that we're all playing into Jacks hands here. Most of the posts here have been concerned with the removal of Shaun Fuentes. Magicians call this technique DISTRACTION. This is what Jack and Ollie are doing.
Magicians call it patter. And the fact of the matter is most of us aren't "distracted" as you say. We simply don't expect anything else to come out of the "important core subject". Accountability is as welcome in TTFF as Dennis Rodman in a Mormon church.

This way of handling their affairs didn't start now, and it definitely not going to finish now. When you have to go to a movie that you've already seen 5 times what do you do? You spend time on less important things, like watching the scenery, scoping out the girls passing with the popcorn, macco the youth who trying to get his arm around he date in smart, count the number of people who sleeping...

Welcome to Trinidad KSM. Trust me, in a little while, even you will be bored of seeing the same damn thing over and over again.

Don't shoot the messenger, guys, but also don't let him into the showers until you know hes got a girlfriend. 
???
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: doc on April 04, 2008, 04:17:00 PM
Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).
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Once again the Ministry of Sport has said that it was dissatisfied with the TTFF’s presentation of a developmental programme and accounted budget, claiming that they continue to be unacceptable. The question remains who in the Ministry of Sport is deemed fit enough to describe as unfit a football program that is drawn up by a Federation which has former great Lincoln Phillips as its technical director as well as Colombian-born head coach Francisco Maturana on board.

Will someone help me understand this las' paragraph please. Thanks.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Feliziano on April 04, 2008, 04:27:12 PM
There are several reports of Hunt being discourteous and of bringing a pompous private sector attitude to the Ministry. They are too numerous to reject outright. He is hopeless inelegant in all of his pronouncements as well.   

I support the request for accountability though.
yuh mean effiencey? That ministry liek alot others is run ind e dinasour age? imagine this day and age the minister doesnt have emails getting directly to him instead they have to be fwded to the tech department and then someone has to print it out and carried to him? steups  the ineffiency and well trinidad lackadasical attitude is irksome. And as i keep saying alyuh know i not a fan of the pnm  but allyuh taking ttff propaganda.
 lot of people in the ministry complaining cause de man demanding work done and done properly.  All i hadda say is inna timin. He in charge of the ministry for how loong now?? give him some time. But he wroking with an arhciac system and culture..
My mother works for A ministry and is de worse and de best, worse to get anythign done and best place for a lime on a friday!!!

I can't/won't comment on anything else in this thread besides the 'private sector' thing.

that is exactly the kinda management what they need down there
is like some people feel that is their birthright to work for 2 hours and get paid for 10 or show up for work when they want to or treat customers with scant courtesy?
is the same taxpayers money going down the drain paying them to be unproductive, then they go turn round and complain bout why we ent have enough police vehicles or the hospital need beds..steups
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Deeks on April 04, 2008, 04:27:27 PM
I hope this post go to 100 pages. More than the JA/TT football post. All yuh continue arguing.

 I feel for Shaun, but I on the minister's side. He is new to the job. He might not know the protocol for the news conferences. That being said, the main issue is the TTFF accountability. Let us focus on that for the time being.

I have said before,. I am the ultimate BALL JUMBIE. I sleep, eat and dream football,  the gov't should not give Jack a blank check for football.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Feliziano on April 04, 2008, 04:31:19 PM
Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).
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Once again the Ministry of Sport has said that it was dissatisfied with the TTFF’s presentation of a developmental programme and accounted budget, claiming that they continue to be unacceptable. The question remains who in the Ministry of Sport is deemed fit enough to describe as unfit a football program that is drawn up by a Federation which has former great Lincoln Phillips as its technical director as well as Colombian-born head coach Francisco Maturana on board.

Will someone help me understand this las' paragraph please. Thanks.
maybe the Powerpoint presentation wasn't done right?
or it didn't have enough special effects and animation  ;D
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bakes on April 04, 2008, 04:35:21 PM
Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).
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Once again the Ministry of Sport has said that it was dissatisfied with the TTFF’s presentation of a developmental programme and accounted budget, claiming that they continue to be unacceptable. The question remains who in the Ministry of Sport is deemed fit enough to describe as unfit a football program that is drawn up by a Federation which has former great Lincoln Phillips as its technical director as well as Colombian-born head coach Francisco Maturana on board.

Will someone help me understand this las' paragraph please. Thanks.

According to de stoolie distinguished media poser...how dare the Ministry of sport try and judge the football programs of the TTFF...when dem ent have nobody qualified tuh try and judge, and de TTFF have LP (see how conveniently they throwing he name out dey now?) and Mats on it side. 

What Maturana know about de football developmental programme in Trinidad?  He eh even finish he cup ah coffee yet.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Deeks on April 04, 2008, 04:43:49 PM
Leave the tech. staff out of this. Maturana and Lincoln could make all the recommendations. Jack will impliment them when he feels that it is convenient for his modus operandi.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Socafan on April 04, 2008, 04:53:53 PM
Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).
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Once again the Ministry of Sport has said that it was dissatisfied with the TTFF’s presentation of a developmental programme and accounted budget, claiming that they continue to be unacceptable. The question remains who in the Ministry of Sport is deemed fit enough to describe as unfit a football program that is drawn up by a Federation which has former great Lincoln Phillips as its technical director as well as Colombian-born head coach Francisco Maturana on board.

Will someone help me understand this las' paragraph please. Thanks.

Doc...yes...what you are thinking he couldn't be saying is exactly what he is saying. Apparently, The Ministry is not qualified to critique  the Budget of the TTFF simply because Lincoln Phillips and Maturana working for the TTFF.This is despite the fact that LP get relegated to goalkeeping coach or some such thing, and Maturana just start.

Nonsensical and childish to say the least.

He just echoing what he hear jack and dem say.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: WestCoast on April 04, 2008, 10:53:31 PM
maybe the Powerpoint presentation wasn't done right?
or it didn't have enough special effects and animation  ;D
aye dais ah westcoastesque type post
careful some on here dont cuss you for such speculation oui
 :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Quags on April 04, 2008, 11:06:14 PM
Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
By: Shaun Fuentes (TTFF).
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Once again the Ministry of Sport has said that it was dissatisfied with the TTFF’s presentation of a developmental programme and accounted budget, claiming that they continue to be unacceptable. The question remains who in the Ministry of Sport is deemed fit enough to describe as unfit a football program that is drawn up by a Federation which has former great Lincoln Phillips as its technical director as well as Colombian-born head coach Francisco Maturana on board.

Will someone help me understand this las' paragraph please. Thanks.

Doc...yes...what you are thinking he couldn't be saying is exactly what he is saying. Apparently, The Ministry is not qualified to critique  the Budget of the TTFF simply because Lincoln Phillips and Maturana working for the TTFF.This is despite the fact that LP get relegated to goalkeeping coach or some such thing, and Maturana just start.

Nonsensical and childish to say the least.

He just echoing what he hear jack and dem say.
No read it again daiz not what he say
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it was dissatisfied with the TTFF’s presentation of a developmental programme and accounted budget
and this last part
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The question remains who in the Ministry of Sport is deemed fit enough to describe as unfit a football program that is drawn up by a Federation which has former great Lincoln Phillips as its technical director as well as Colombian-born head coach Francisco Maturana on board
see nothing about the budget .So he saying the ministry cant tell these two greats how to run a development program .Thats all doc.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: truetrini on April 04, 2008, 11:08:02 PM
what yuh mean nutten about de budget?

I confused..I feeling like KND now.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: davidephraim on April 04, 2008, 11:11:06 PM
everybody need to hold their horses. Accountability begins with spending your own money. No more back door let jack foot de bill type shit. If we want accountability then let us first accept that jack didnt become as powerful as he did by accident. If everytime something big in football happening and yuh have to run to uncle jack to front some millions and then yuh want to pay it on de back end what do people really expect? Is like de American Federal Government. Doh take dey money if yuh dont want dem in yuh business. In retrospect I see Castro was criticised. With everything that Castro is he wasnt takin Jack money and hence would not be in the position that TnT is in right now.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: truetrini on April 04, 2008, 11:14:40 PM
everybody need to hold their horses. Accountability begins with spending your own money. No more back door let jack foot de bill type shit. If we want accountability then let us first accept that jack didnt become as powerful as he did by accident. If everytime something big in football happening and yuh have to run to uncle jack to front some millions and then yuh want to pay it on de back end what do people really expect? Is like de American Federal Government. Doh take dey money if yuh dont want dem in yuh business. In retrospect I see Castro was criticised. With everything that Castro is he wasnt takin Jack money and hence would not be in the position that TnT is in right now.

Well if I thought I was confused before is now ah tie up like ah if I in ah S&M Bondage store.

Care to explain yuh post please?  Castro?  Running to uncle Jack?  How, who and when?
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Quags on April 04, 2008, 11:17:33 PM
what yuh mean nutten about de budget?

I confused..I feeling like KND now.
In the paragraph doc asked about ,Shawn said the Ministry said it was ....

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dissatisfied with the TTFF’s presentation of a developmental programme and accounted budget, claiming that they continue to be unacceptable.

Thats two things

Now Shawns own opinion ,notice he just commented on only the Running of Football programs ,and did not try to justify anything about money .lol

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who in the Ministry of Sport is deemed fit enough to describe as unfit a football program that is drawn up by a Federation which has former great Lincoln Phillips as its technical director as well as Colombian-born head coach Francisco Maturana on board.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: truetrini on April 04, 2008, 11:19:17 PM
dais wha yuh does get fuh jumping in people business...ok ah overs now.

he brakesing yuh saying.

Shaun does do we favours eh, so me eh fighting him down.

But the TTFF making life hard fuh we boy.

Oh lorse.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Quags on April 04, 2008, 11:25:45 PM
Yah could tell he was still fuming when he wrote this .Keep your friends close and your enemies closer eh .
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: davidephraim on April 04, 2008, 11:26:24 PM
everybody need to hold their horses. Accountability begins with spending your own money. No more back door let jack foot de bill type shit. If we want accountability then let us first accept that jack didnt become as powerful as he did by accident. If everytime something big in football happening and yuh have to run to uncle jack to front some millions and then yuh want to pay it on de back end what do people really expect? Is like de American Federal Government. Doh take dey money if yuh dont want dem in yuh business. In retrospect I see Castro was criticised. With everything that Castro is he wasnt takin Jack money and hence would not be in the position that TnT is in right now.

Well if I thought I was confused before is now ah tie up like ah if I in ah S&M Bondage store.

Care to explain yuh post please?  Castro?  Running to uncle Jack?  How, who and when?

S & M bondage??? lololol  Wow dat sound like a fantasy of yours TT. What I was saying about Castro is not that he took jack money but rather he would not have taken no private sector/outsider money so he would not have the problems that we have in tnt. In an earlier post i saw Castro name jumpin up and as devisive as Castro might be he is also independent and would have paid for everything with government funds. TnT however for decades now have relied on uncle jck financially and though they may be trying to break de yoke now yuh dont get rid of de mafia easy so. So my point is jack is where he is primarily because de government made it so and now they just trying to dodge de bullet. First they must accept openly then tell uncle jack we dont need no more fronted funds from yuh... if we still owe yuh anything we go handle it but we done with yuh bank-rollin we.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: fishs on April 05, 2008, 12:50:32 AM
 

 My 2cents on this whole thing.

 1. No Ministry will ever be run like the private sector.
 The civil service regulations just will not allow that (weary69 could confirm)
I personaly don't want the ministries to be anything like the private sector since it is common knowledge that the sucessful private sector is corrupt, self centered and very nasty.

 You could talk about the productivity of the government workers but that is an entirley different matter.

The Ministries are to execute goverment policy and support the private sector in this case the sporting organisations.

Every year the sports ministry's budget is presented to the minister of finance and F and GP for approval in the national budget. The sporting orgs will provide plans, programs and budget for the year to inform this.
Cabinet through the advice of the minister of finance and in this case the sports minister will make their case and the budget or part of will be approved. The funds aproved will then be disbursed to the relevant sporting organisations once the criteria for is met for the disbursement (this is normally a simple accounting type document).
This probably explains why the Minister held the press conference i.e they asked for the audited accounts in order to make the disbursement.

For the PSIP (Public service investment plan) which is capital expenditure , the sports company is set up to run this however I see that they are also getting involved in funding basketball leagues etc.

2. TTFF will never give the GOTT a full audited statement of accounts.

The reason not being that Jack will be exposed for corruption or anything like that but because it will show how much the TTFF is indebted to Jack.
a. The buildings they rent is owned by Jack
b. Jack pays the salaries.
c. Jack pays for all the other expenses (travelling, courses etc)
d. The interest Jack is charging is probably of the same magnitude of TT credit cards 25 to 30 %

What this means is that TTFF is in debt to Jack to the tune of millions and millions of dollars.
If this ever sees the light of day our football is going to go into a terminal tailspin.

The issue with Shawn and this press conference should never have happened.
The proposed meeting between the ministry and TTFF would not have been open to the Media, the decisions coming out of that meeting would have been presented to the media after the meeting.
The Ministry had to know that TTFF would never attend a meeting where they could not provide the goods and TTFF asking for a formal agenda was a escape for them.
So what the Minister had was a straight press conference on football.
Shawn had no alternative but to attend this because it is his job albeit under the umbrella of being the media officer of TTFF.
Shawn should not have been allowed inside the building, first by security and secondly by the Ministries communication department.
I think what happened is that nobody thought anything of it until the Minister displayed his displeasure from there it went bad. This Nunez person is probably not well trained and could not in this situatation quickly advise the Minister that it would be better to let Shawn be than make an issue of it since the Ministry has nothing to hide anyway. The Minister also is not very quick on his feet for him not to realise that also.
This man is essentially a seamstriss and we should not really expect any better from him.

So there you have it.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Feliziano on April 05, 2008, 06:50:06 AM
maybe the Powerpoint presentation wasn't done right?
or it didn't have enough special effects and animation  ;D
aye dais ah westcoastesque type post
careful some on here dont cuss you for such speculation oui
 :devil: :devil:
yeah boy yuh right  :D
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: truetrini on April 05, 2008, 06:58:11 AM
Yuh is meh boy, but ah have tuh take yuh to task!    Sorry!

 My 2cents on this whole thing.

 1. No Ministry will ever be run like the private sector.
 The civil service regulations just will not allow that (weary69 could confirm)
I personaly don't want the ministries to be anything like the private sector since it is common knowledge that the sucessful private sector is corrupt, self centered and very nasty.

We have had multiple examples of corrupt and nasty Governmental agencies/Ministeries.  Time to take a private sector mentality to Government business is a necessity, as it pertains to accountability, management and productivity...sorry, but it is essential and is being done worldwide!  Trim the fat, stop bleeding money, be more efficient are the watch words!

 You could talk about the productivity of the government workers but that is an entirley different matter.

The Ministries are to execute goverment policy and support the private sector in this case the sporting organisations.

Every year the sports ministry's budget is presented to the minister of finance and F and GP for approval in the national budget. The sporting orgs will provide plans, programs and budget for the year to inform this.
Cabinet through the advice of the minister of finance and in this case the sports minister will make their case and the budget or part of will be approved. The funds aproved will then be disbursed to the relevant sporting organisations once the criteria for is met for the disbursement (this is normally a simple accounting type document).
This probably explains why the Minister held the press conference i.e they asked for the audited accounts in order to make the disbursement.

For the PSIP (Public service investment plan) which is capital expenditure , the sports company is set up to run this however I see that they are also getting involved in funding basketball leagues etc.

2. TTFF will never give the GOTT a full audited statement of accounts.

The reason not being that Jack will be exposed for corruption or anything like that but because it will show how much the TTFF is indebted to Jack.

And you think that this is NOT evidence of corruption?  An audited statement of accounts will show how money was expended. Is there any doubt in your mind that Jack and his minions have been honestly using Football revenues/grants/etc. legitimately?

a. The buildings they rent is owned by Jack
b. Jack pays the salaries.
c. Jack pays for all the other expenses (travelling, courses etc)
d. The interest Jack is charging is probably of the same magnitude of TT credit cards 25 to 30 %

Not sure if T&T has usury laws, but that is big percentages dey..I am not sure where you get your figures, but if accurate that in itself is corrupt and deceitful...for a man who states that he loves T&T and T&T football, he sure has a funny way of showing it..ent?    And as for paying traveling etc.  That is an inaccurate statement.  We all know about his Simpauls and its role in T&T football, indeed in regional ball!
What this means is that TTFF is in debt to Jack to the tune of millions and millions of dollars.
If this ever sees the light of day our football is going to go into a terminal tailspin.

That is hard to fathom because Jack cannot provide any audited statements of revenue and expenditure, so one will NEVER know what is owed, what was borrowed and how much was stolen!

The issue with Shawn and this press conference should never have happened.
The proposed meeting between the ministry and TTFF would not have been open to the Media, the decisions coming out of that meeting would have been presented to the media after the meeting.
The Ministry had to know that TTFF would never attend a meeting where they could not provide the goods and TTFF asking for a formal agenda was a escape for them.

Well then it is actually a brilliant move by the Government.  Jack is free to use the T&T Guardian to excoritate and denigrate the Government and the Sports Minister, but the Ministry has no right to publicly present its case?  If Jack had indeed loaned the TTFF monies to keep that organization afloat, then it would be an easy matter to present audited documentation proving such and at the same time back up his claims that the GORTT has not been true to its promise to support ther TTFF as well as?  Would that not have been a better alternative than asking for an agenda?  JAck and Camps could easily have refuted the GORTT's claims!
So what the Minister had was a straight press conference on football.

Not entirely true.  The Ministry claims it was a press conference aimed at reconciliation and at clearing the air.  They have every right to publicly notify the citizens of T&T where their money was going!

Shawn had no alternative but to attend this because it is his job albeit under the umbrella of being the media officer of TTFF.

Shaun had every right NOT to attend as his employers refused to attend based on their reasoning...NO Agenda, no attendance!

Shawn should not have been allowed inside the building, first by security and secondly by the Ministries communication department.

The truth should hold for Jack Warner...he should have no access to the TTFF coffers...mistakes happen right?  Then how can you say Shaun should not have been there, yet claim earlier that he had every right to be there?


I think what happened is that nobody thought anything of it until the Minister displayed his displeasure from there it went bad. This Nunez person is probably not well trained and could not in this situatation quickly advise the Minister that it would be better to let Shawn be than make an issue of it since the Ministry has nothing to hide anyway. The Minister also is not very quick on his feet for him not to realise that also.
This man is essentially a seamstriss and we should not really expect any better from him.

I see no reason for calling the minister ah cloth cutter..none whatsoever!   :devil:

So there you have it.

So there YOU have it!
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: kentsoulman on April 05, 2008, 07:33:50 AM


 My 2cents on this whole thing.

 1. No Ministry will ever be run like the private sector.
 The civil service regulations just will not allow that (weary69 could confirm)
I personaly don't want the ministries to be anything like the private sector since it is common knowledge that the sucessful private sector is corrupt, self centered and very nasty.

 You could talk about the productivity of the government workers but that is an entirley different matter.

The Ministries are to execute goverment policy and support the private sector in this case the sporting organisations.

Every year the sports ministry's budget is presented to the minister of finance and F and GP for approval in the national budget. The sporting orgs will provide plans, programs and budget for the year to inform this.
Cabinet through the advice of the minister of finance and in this case the sports minister will make their case and the budget or part of will be approved. The funds aproved will then be disbursed to the relevant sporting organisations once the criteria for is met for the disbursement (this is normally a simple accounting type document).
This probably explains why the Minister held the press conference i.e they asked for the audited accounts in order to make the disbursement.

For the PSIP (Public service investment plan) which is capital expenditure , the sports company is set up to run this however I see that they are also getting involved in funding basketball leagues etc.

2. TTFF will never give the GOTT a full audited statement of accounts.

The reason not being that Jack will be exposed for corruption or anything like that but because it will show how much the TTFF is indebted to Jack.
a. The buildings they rent is owned by Jack
b. Jack pays the salaries.
c. Jack pays for all the other expenses (travelling, courses etc)
d. The interest Jack is charging is probably of the same magnitude of TT credit cards 25 to 30 %

What this means is that TTFF is in debt to Jack to the tune of millions and millions of dollars.
If this ever sees the light of day our football is going to go into a terminal tailspin.

The issue with Shawn and this press conference should never have happened.
The proposed meeting between the ministry and TTFF would not have been open to the Media, the decisions coming out of that meeting would have been presented to the media after the meeting.
The Ministry had to know that TTFF would never attend a meeting where they could not provide the goods and TTFF asking for a formal agenda was a escape for them.
So what the Minister had was a straight press conference on football.
Shawn had no alternative but to attend this because it is his job albeit under the umbrella of being the media officer of TTFF.
Shawn should not have been allowed inside the building, first by security and secondly by the Ministries communication department.
I think what happened is that nobody thought anything of it until the Minister displayed his displeasure from there it went bad. This Nunez person is probably not well trained and could not in this situatation quickly advise the Minister that it would be better to let Shawn be than make an issue of it since the Ministry has nothing to hide anyway. The Minister also is not very quick on his feet for him not to realise that also.
This man is essentially a seamstriss and we should not really expect any better from him.

So there you have it.


I think this post pretty much sums things up. However, I would like to offer a couple of thoughts.

Maybe, just maybe, Hunt is cleverer than we all think. Maybe he called the meeting with TTFF knowing they would not bring along the accounts. He really boxed them in. Hunts the good guy coz we wants to give money to football, but he can't just dish it out without accountability.
Round 1 to Hunt.

Hunt knows Fuentes will attend the press conference. Hunt lets him in, because he wants all of T&Ts media to see him throw out Fuentes. He's sending a public message to Jack.  Hunt is saying "Jack, I ain't no pussy. I have no respect for you or any member of TTFF. The game is up and I'm coming after you."
Round 2 to Hunt.

Hunt has now publically declared that he's not happy with TTFFs accounts. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES can Hunt now award money to TTFF without a TTFF audit. Everybody will crucify Hunt if he gave money to an organisation that has publically been accused of (at best) poor accounting. So anytime that Jack and Ollie whines in the press, journalists should be asking them why the accounts haven't been produced. All Hunt is doing is protecting taxpayers money. How can he be a bad guy?
Round 3 to Hunt.

TTFF and Jack need to be very careful now. If there is any indication that TTFF money is improperly spent, Hunt will call in the Fraud Squad (don't know if you have this in T&T) to suspend TTFF pending a full forensic audit. FIFA cannot object as tis is not a football matter. FIFA cannot be seen to support fraud.

With regards to Jacks grip over TTFF, this is easy to resolve. TTFF can go bankrupt. Jack can then reclaim 10% of provable debt from the TTFF shareholders and directors. The govt and people of T&T owe Jack nothing.

Also, I wonder if Jack has committed fraud when he mortgaged his property. You usually have to state the reason you wish to use the funds for i.e. home improvements, debt consolidation etc. So on Jacks application, did he state the money is for paying the debts of someone elses company in which he has no official interest?
 
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Dutty on April 05, 2008, 08:33:24 AM
TT is tears oui

start off de post hot and sweaty contrastin castro tactics and callin de ppl island ah "shit ass country"
But den turn around wit he best air hostess voice and say 'please dont bring you personal politics into this'  ;D

Either way, we gettin mired in the minutiae of dis ting again

Whether Hunt right or Fuentes right....Jack usin de SAME tactic he use last time....demand free taxpayers money with no accountability...if he doh get it, go to the media and bawl PNM oppressin black people.
Last time Boynes acquiesce ... and we see how de vampire bite the players and the taxpayers
Sadis eh even change he strategy this rounds

Sorry to say we go hadda emotionally divorce weself from 2010,,..if not, check FF signature for the rest
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: truetrini on April 05, 2008, 08:59:50 AM
dutty, that is regional politics...nutten personal, was jes stating fax breds.


Cuba now allowing dem citizens to enter hotels dey  miucrowaves and cell phones now available too

if dat eh shit arsew...den what is?
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: dumpalewie on April 05, 2008, 09:08:49 AM
Take allyuh facking personal politics out ah dis.

Jack is de Kaka hole with de capital K.

The Minister has every right to run his ministry like ah private business in the sense that he decide he eh taking shit!

He was wrong to have Fuentes put out of the meeting.

If he did not know who Fuentes was, he ahd every right to assume he was press.   Additionally, he is ultimatley responsible for the actions of his staff.

In fairness though, I can also see the Ministry's position of Fuentes filming the goings-on as a paid rep of the TTFF especially after the TTFF oficals snubbed the meeting.

The Ministry's response is suspect, if as Shaun reports, he was asked why he was there from the get go!

I
Thank You!!!

This is not about politics people. Get it straight.

The TTFF is accountable to no one. Why do you think they don't get private sector support?

The minister has to ensure that tax dollars are accounted for. This is true for any expenditure including private jets. Even if the minister was wrong about Fuentes don't let that cloud the actual issue here.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Dutty on April 05, 2008, 09:15:43 AM
dutty, that is regional politics...nutten personal, was jes stating fax breds.


Cuba now allowing dem citizens to enter hotels dey  miucrowaves and cell phones now available too

if dat eh shit arsew...den what is?

Dat eh FAX..dais your opinion
but I eh go pollute de thread with ah nex "shit ass" country flag waving issues.

Today its about Jack Fuentes Hunt show
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: dumpalewie on April 05, 2008, 09:25:22 AM
As I said before I am all for finding out from Jackula and he croonies what de hell they doing wid we money....

As for the Fuentes situation I raised the point (cuz I don't know), what is the procedure are you supposed to get invited or can you just show up?  He is an accredited media person who stated that he would usually attend press conferences before without trouble.  De Sports Ministry should have dealt with it decisively the moment he arrived and tell him to leave.  

And to say that Fuentes is not media or a journalist because he has yet to defend Lasana is not fair, Lasana has been "battling" Jack by himself and doesn't have the full support of his media colleagues.
And it the question has been raised before, can we really expect Shaun to speak out against the TTFF??...

My initial reaction to what happened stemmed from what appears to be yet another incident involving this Minister.  And then he tries to twist the facts about what happen and blame his PR person.  Lawd fadder....ah don't know how much more unprofessional you could get.

As I said before, all in all the only thing that going to suffer further because of adminstration is the state of the game in this country and that is enough to make me feel  :'( :frustrated: :banginghead: :banginghead:

This latest incident eh helping nobody....
You not making sense.

SEAN FUENTES IS THE PRO OF THE TTFF. HE IS NOT A JOURNALIST

You get it now!!!
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: truetrini on April 05, 2008, 09:27:04 AM
dutty, that is regional politics...nutten personal, was jes stating fax breds.


Cuba now allowing dem citizens to enter hotels dey  miucrowaves and cell phones now available too

if dat eh shit arsew...den what is?

Dat eh FAX..dais your opinion
but I eh go pollute de thread with ah nex "shit ass" country flag waving issues.

Today its about Jack Fuentes Hunt show

yuh SHAWn yuh eh HUNTing fuh ting?

Is facts breds, I eh make up nutten about Cuba
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Babalawo on April 05, 2008, 10:18:22 AM
All I know Shawn is hook we up with Interviews and Vids ,even doh jack must be hate we .So I like shawn .So yeah nothing wrong having friends on the dark side.....2 more cents.
CAH WAIT FOR HE TO POST IT ON YOUTUBE. I PRESSING REFRESH EVERY MINUTE. http://youtube.com/user/TnTSocaWarriors
Good one ;D ;D

like Shaun fraid or what. or the ministry confiscate he video, :rotfl: i aint seeing nothing yet
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: WestCoast on April 05, 2008, 10:35:59 AM
I think this post pretty much sums things up. However, I would like to offer a couple of thoughts.

Maybe, just maybe, Hunt is cleverer than we all think. Maybe he called the meeting with TTFF knowing they would not bring along the accounts. He really boxed them in. Hunts the good guy coz we wants to give money to football, but he can't just dish it out without accountability.
Round 1 to Hunt.

Hunt knows Fuentes will attend the press conference. Hunt lets him in, because he wants all of T&Ts media to see him throw out Fuentes. He's sending a public message to Jack.  Hunt is saying "Jack, I ain't no pussy. I have no respect for you or any member of TTFF. The game is up and I'm coming after you."
Round 2 to Hunt.

Hunt has now publically declared that he's not happy with TTFFs accounts. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES can Hunt now award money to TTFF without a TTFF audit. Everybody will crucify Hunt if he gave money to an organisation that has publically been accused of (at best) poor accounting. So anytime that Jack and Ollie whines in the press, journalists should be asking them why the accounts haven't been produced. All Hunt is doing is protecting taxpayers money. How can he be a bad guy?
I hope that his STAYING POWER overwhelms those who support dear Jack.
Round 3 to Hunt.

TTFF and Jack need to be very careful now. If there is any indication that TTFF money is improperly spent, Hunt will call in the Fraud Squad (don't know if you have this in T&T) to suspend TTFF pending a full forensic audit. FIFA cannot object as tis is not a football matter. FIFA cannot be seen to support fraud.
Well KSM, I think that FIFA HAS shown in the past that they do in fact supported FRAUD.

With regards to Jacks grip over TTFF, this is easy to resolve. TTFF can go bankrupt. Jack can then reclaim 10% of provable debt from the TTFF shareholders and directors. The govt and people of T&T owe Jack nothing.
That will NEVER happen with FIFA's blessing as Jack put Sepp in Power

Also, I wonder if Jack has committed fraud when he mortgaged his property. You usually have to state the reason you wish to use the funds for i.e. home improvements, debt consolidation etc. So on Jacks application, did he state the money is for paying the debts of someone elses company in which he has no official interest?
 
I concur with MOST of this
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: WestCoast on April 05, 2008, 10:44:15 AM
All I know Shawn is hook we up with Interviews and Vids ,even doh jack must be hate we .So I like shawn .So yeah nothing wrong having friends on the dark side.....2 more cents.
CAH WAIT FOR HE TO POST IT ON YOUTUBE. I PRESSING REFRESH EVERY MINUTE. http://youtube.com/user/TnTSocaWarriors
Good one ;D ;D

like Shaun fraid or what. or the ministry confiscate he video, :rotfl: i aint seeing nothing yet
Hunt "cut eye" must have confabulated the man so much he ent even turn on de camera :devil:
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: spideybuff on April 05, 2008, 12:46:03 PM
.I was disappointed to read that he claimed to not know who he was. 

Bakes dat is what annoy mih initially bout de whole thing...de man was just hemming and hawing about what happen.  Why not just come out and say yes I threw him out.  He just kept side stepping giving a direct answer as if he KNOW he do shit...if yuh throw him out,  just say so.

Anywho ah done....we goh have disagree on dis one.... :beermug:

The man is a politician. That's how they survive by always spinning and never admitting anything. If you doh play the game...u cah survive in the world of politics.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: spideybuff on April 05, 2008, 12:56:56 PM


 My 2cents on this whole thing.


2. TTFF will never give the GOTT a full audited statement of accounts.

The reason not being that Jack will be exposed for corruption or anything like that but because it will show how much the TTFF is indebted to Jack.
a. The buildings they rent is owned by Jack
b. Jack pays the salaries.. Jack pays for all the other expenses (travelling, courses etc)
d. The interest Jack is charging is probably of the same magnitude of TT credit cards 25 to 30 %

What this means is that TTFF is in debt to Jack to the tune of millions and millions of dollars.
If this ever sees the light of day our football is going to go into a terminal tailspin.


So there you have it.

Based on this post I have a REAL,REAL serious question to ask here:

Do the majority of die hard, knowledgeable, experienced posters on this board STILL believe that it is Jack money funding the program?

It is FIFA's money that Jack TAKES from us and passes of as his own and then turn around and say he using it (now his money) on our behalf. Jack not spending one of his cents on us. All that money is supposed to come to the federation for the development of football in the country and the caribbean etc. It is not JACK's money. Jack just holds the purse strings and authorises the release of the money thus he is able to put it in his various accounts first. Don't you know the amount of money FIFA gives per country for development? It is more than anythign we use thus far in our life over the years on our football programs. Plus, he takes this money and then turns around and asks the government to pay for most of the things and blames the government for stuff the federation was already given funding by FIFA for. I really did not think these things were still hidden from the public after the Germany 2006.

The one thing we can be grateful to Jack for is that when FIFA gives CONCACAF money, Trinidad guarantee to have some ploughed back into the program after AFTER Jack steal it. Some other smaller countries in Concacaf probably getting less than 10% of what they probably allowed.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bakes on April 05, 2008, 01:23:24 PM
No need to quibble on the rest of your post...but I have to disagree with a few things.


The issue with Shawn and this press conference should never have happened.
The proposed meeting between the ministry and TTFF would not have been open to the Media, the decisions coming out of that meeting would have been presented to the media after the meeting.
The Ministry had to know that TTFF would never attend a meeting where they could not provide the goods and TTFF asking for a formal agenda was a escape for them.
So what the Minister had was a straight press conference on football.Shawn had no alternative but to attend this because it is his job albeit under the umbrella of being the media officer of TTFF.

The minister didn't have a press conference on "football" fella...in case you haven't been following, it was a press conference to discuss the expenditure of PUBLIC FUNDS, given to a federation that then refuses to be accountable for how those funds were expended.  Shaun Fuentes didn't NEED to be there...his handlers NEEDED to be there.  what you mean he had no alternative but to attend?  Did Shawn Fuentes attend any Pro League press conferences last year?  How come he wasn't at the Pro League event with Shaka, Dexter Skeene et al?  What..he wasn't a journalist then? Don't send the minion, let satan himself come and give account.


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Shawn should not have been allowed inside the building, first by security and secondly by the Ministries communication department.
I think what happened is that nobody thought anything of it until the Minister displayed his displeasure from there it went bad. This Nunez person is probably not well trained and could not in this situatation quickly advise the Minister that it would be better to let Shawn be than make an issue of it since the Ministry has nothing to hide anyway. The Minister also is not very quick on his feet for him not to realise that also.
This man is essentially a seamstriss and we should not really expect any better from him.

So there you have it.

All this talk about "Shawn should not have been allowed inside building" is nonsense.  Again, Shaun Fuentes likely wasn't on anybody's mind until he decided to present himself front and center saying he filming the press conference.  Since when does Shaun Fuentes film government press conferences?  Let him stick to interviewing Anton Corneal and players in the locker room.  Meanwhile some ah allyuh keep falling for the same ole rope-a-dope.  Stick, move, bob and weave....when Jack done allyuh still wondering what hit allyuh.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: weary1969 on April 06, 2008, 02:08:38 PM
Why MATT eh do some investigative journalism  and find out what goin on in d TTFF. As far as where I sit Fuentes  eh no journalist he is d spin Dr for d TTF. He does his wuk well so doh b tryion 2 change yuh leporard spots.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: MEP on April 06, 2008, 02:43:19 PM
For years the cry has been accountability within the TTFF and not one thing has been done...all the Ministry is asking for is a detailed account of how 12 million dollars was spent. Had the TTFF been on the up and up that would not have been a difficult thing since the request doesn't go back 5 or ten years but two. Why is the TTFF so unwilling to divulge how that money is spent?
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: weary1969 on April 06, 2008, 03:00:10 PM
Any 2x2 organizations could give u a report 4 d last 2 yrs. Dey eh ask for how u pocket d money FIFA give yuh all dey want 2 know is how u spend my tax dollars.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: fishs on April 06, 2008, 11:02:29 PM
No need to quibble on the rest of your post...but I have to disagree with a few things.


The issue with Shawn and this press conference should never have happened.
The proposed meeting between the ministry and TTFF would not have been open to the Media, the decisions coming out of that meeting would have been presented to the media after the meeting.
The Ministry had to know that TTFF would never attend a meeting where they could not provide the goods and TTFF asking for a formal agenda was a escape for them.
So what the Minister had was a straight press conference on football.Shawn had no alternative but to attend this because it is his job albeit under the umbrella of being the media officer of TTFF.

The minister didn't have a press conference on "football" fella...in case you haven't been following, it was a press conference to discuss the expenditure of PUBLIC FUNDS, given to a federation that then refuses to be accountable for how those funds were expended.  Shaun Fuentes didn't NEED to be there...his handlers NEEDED to be there.  what you mean he had no alternative but to attend?  Did Shawn Fuentes attend any Pro League press conferences last year?  How come he wasn't at the Pro League event with Shaka, Dexter Skeene et al?  What..he wasn't a journalist then? Don't send the minion, let satan himself come and give account.


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Shawn should not have been allowed inside the building, first by security and secondly by the Ministries communication department.
I think what happened is that nobody thought anything of it until the Minister displayed his displeasure from there it went bad. This Nunez person is probably not well trained and could not in this situatation quickly advise the Minister that it would be better to let Shawn be than make an issue of it since the Ministry has nothing to hide anyway. The Minister also is not very quick on his feet for him not to realise that also.
This man is essentially a seamstriss and we should not really expect any better from him.

So there you have it.

All this talk about "Shawn should not have been allowed inside building" is nonsense.  Again, Shaun Fuentes likely wasn't on anybody's mind until he decided to present himself front and center saying he filming the press conference.  Since when does Shaun Fuentes film government press conferences?  Let him stick to interviewing Anton Corneal and players in the locker room.  Meanwhile some ah allyuh keep falling for the same ole rope-a-dope.  Stick, move, bob and weave....when Jack done allyuh still wondering what hit allyuh.


Shawn needed to attend because his handlers probably told him to.

The normal procedure for entering any ministry is telling the security guard at the entrance who you going to, having yhe security guard call the person you going to to confirm and then being issued with a visitors pass. How did he get in then ?
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: weary1969 on April 06, 2008, 11:51:15 PM
Fish u correck d Public service is like a dinosaur dat is why u have SPORTT, Educaton Facilities co etc it is 2 get tings done quickly. How come d Pro League could dot dey eyes and cross dey t's and get money from SPORTT.

Let Jack just morgage another property and continue 2 run he organize like a rum shop wit out my money
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bakes on April 07, 2008, 12:21:48 AM


Shawn needed to attend because his handlers probably told him to.

The normal procedure for entering any ministry is telling the security guard at the entrance who you going to, having yhe security guard call the person you going to to confirm and then being issued with a visitors pass. How did he get in then ?

Well yeah, on dat we agree...he 'handlers' tell him fetch so he barked once, wagged his tail and went to fetch.

I also won't argue that that would be the "normal" procedure for entering the Ministry...however this wasn't a normal situation but a press conference.  So all Fuentes had to do was flash he "media credentials" whatever dat is (my guess is he old Guardian pass) and the security guard not being trained to sniff out TTFF mouthpiece from "freelance journalist poser" let him up with de rest of the chattering class.



...and MEP

Is not just $12 million pardna...is $100 million tax payer dollars.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: pass(10trini) on April 07, 2008, 08:39:21 AM
Aa Bakes say, forget the politics and Shaun Fuentes, let talk , ACCOUNTABILITY PLEASE..................

Allyuh always wah talk about everything like allyuh is judge and jury. Talk F...king accountability. F...k Fuentes, Government, give we accountability. :beermug:
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: WestCoast on April 07, 2008, 08:43:50 AM
de "spetial advithor" take in $173 MILLION in 2006 and he want help?

all the power to him if he can get MO' money
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: MEP on April 07, 2008, 09:16:06 AM
What??????? I didn't realize it was 100 million.......even wuss yet, in any event any organization that receives tax payers' money whether it is a cent, 5 cent ,ten cents or a dollar has to account for how that money is being spent.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Organic on April 07, 2008, 09:26:31 AM
From a post made by patriot in march....Oh hwo we quick to forget.

TTFF, Camps one-man company.
By: Week-end Investigation (Sunday Mirror).

Shocker: The Trinidad and Tobago Footbal Federation (TTFF) of which Jack Warner is Special Adviser and which has received over $45 million of taxpayers fundsis, in fact a sole trader company owned by it's President Oliver Camps and not a normal sports organization as the public has been led to believe.

Anther eye-opener  is that Warner has paid sacked Dutch Coach Wim Rijsbergen twice out of his secret personal Cayman Islands account.

These 'bombshells" are contained in the afidavit of a writ Rijsbergen filed against Camps in the High Court on Wednesday.

Government paid out some $45 milion to the TTFF with Camps, himself, receiving the cheques for expenses incurred in preparing the Soca Warrios for the 2006 Football World Cup in Germany - possibly, unaware that the TTFF is a one-man company.

Rijsbergen, who was dismissed in December following a verbal altercation with Technical Director Lincoln Phillips, is seeking some US$90,000 in arrears of salary damages for breach of contract, exemplary damages, costs and other relief.

Rijsbergen, who was Leo Beenhakker's assistant, succeeded him 18 months ago when Beenhaker quit the job after the World Cup to coach Poland.

He was hired at a tax-free monthly salary of US$60,000 plus other perks for a four-year period. However, he was short-paid by some US$10,000 monthly during the period August 2006 to July 2007 and received the sum of US$9,905 from Warner which represented his August Salary.

He claimed that he was further short-paid by US$10,000 for the months of September, October and November 207 and received no salary for December.
Things went sour following an alleged confrontation between himsef and former national goal-keeper Lincoln Philips last year.

He contended that he was treated unfairly by Camps "in the handling of the alleged incident" and the purported convening  of a tribunal which he claimed "broke every tenet of the rules of national justice,fairness transparency".
The four-member tribunal or disciplinary committee, which gave him short notice about its deliberations , comprised Lennox Watson, Ewing Davis, Elvis Charles and Sushilla Jadoonanan.

They found that Rijsbergen's language constituted "acts of intimidation" against Phillips and "was unneccessary, unprofessional and unfounded and would, therefore, bring the TTFF into disrepute".

The committee also found that while there was an assault against Phillips, "it was not a physical one". He was found guilty of misconduct on December 6th by the Tribunal and suspended for a six month period from December 4.
The Dutch coach is contending that he was not given the opportunity to cross-examine his accuser, to have witnesses, to address the disciplinary comittee in his defence or to have legal counsel.

He was also not advised of his rights to appeal and on December 17, a letter by courier service arrived at his home in Holland advising him that he had "failed to file an appeal of the said decision and the date for filing such an appeal has expired".

On January 3, Camps told a press conference that an interim national coach, Francisco Manturana, had ben appointed. Neither Camps nor Warner could be contacted on the matter since both are out of the country.

Mirror Weekend wanted to quiz Camps about the true status of TTFF. Pursuant to the said contract Oliver Camps and TTFF has been credited by the Chairman with certain payments particulars whereof and the corresponding source of funds (where available) are set forth in he chart below.

TAKEN FROM THE SUNDAY MIRROR MARCH 2ND PG 3


Thus THEY NOT ENTITILED TO NO MONEY FORM THE GOVERNMENT
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: spideybuff on April 07, 2008, 12:20:39 PM
I never saw this post but I do remember somebody saying that the TTFA still exists and the TTFF is a private company created by warner, as was/is LOC for Germany 2006 and LOC for S. Africa 2010. Therefore, that is three different companies through the TTFA that Jack  could work his bobol
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: E-man on April 07, 2008, 12:31:57 PM
I never saw this post but I do remember somebody saying that the TTFA still exists and the TTFF is a private company created by warner, as was/is LOC for Germany 2006 and LOC for S. Africa 2010. Therefore, that is three different companies through the TTFA that Jack  could work his bobol

Don't forget the "Concacaf" company (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=34569.msg405522#msg405522) Warner registered in T&T
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bakes on April 07, 2008, 01:48:03 PM
I never saw this post but I do remember somebody saying that the TTFA still exists and the TTFF is a private company created by warner, as was/is LOC for Germany 2006 and LOC for S. Africa 2010. Therefore, that is three different companies through the TTFA that Jack  could work his bobol

Don't forget the "Concacaf" company (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=34569.msg405522#msg405522) Warner registered in T&T


I'm personally not putting any credence into either of these until further proof is offered.  Truth, it is said, is often stranger than fiction...but fiction itself has a way of outpacing truth when it comes to being circulated.
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: truetrini on April 15, 2008, 10:57:35 PM
ah jes see what Keith smith said about Shaun not being a memebr of the press. ;)
Title: Re: Sports Ministry says no to TTFF Media.
Post by: Bakes on April 15, 2008, 11:58:37 PM
ah jes see what Keith smith said about Shaun not being a memebr of the press. ;)
Now man in dey questioning who de hell is Keith Smith tuh be saying who is and who isn't reporter....


oh gawd, yuh have tuh laff yes  :rotfl:
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