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Title: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: samo on May 19, 2008, 07:23:23 PM
Soca Warriors get big bucks.
By: Francis Joseph (Guardian).
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British arbitrator Ian Mill, QC, ruled yesterday that 16 members of the Trinidad and Tobago World Cup squad are entitled to 50 per cent of the net profits Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) derived from the Road to Germany 2006 campaign.

The question for determination now is how much is 50 per cent of the net profits?

In a 30-page judgment delivered yesterday, Mill detailed the dispute between the players and the TTFF, which had its genesis in 2004, when T&T began the World Cup journey to Germany.

The players had originally agreed to 30 per cent of the net profits, but that was changed to 50 per cent after meetings with the TTFF and its special adviser, Jack Warner.

According to Mill, the 50 per cent was finally agreed upon on June 12, 2006. Mill stated:

“It seems to me that the applicants (players) have done enough to raise a case for the TTFF to answer in this respect. I therefore find, not without some hesitation, that Mr Warner did promise on June 12, 2006, to increase the players’ share under the commercial revenues sharing agreement from 30 per cent to 50 per cent, in order to obtain ‘practical benefits’ for the TTFF, and that therefore, that promise was, and is, legally binding on the TTFF.”

The arbitration hearing was held between April 28 and 30 in the London Headquarters of the Sports Dispute Resolution Panel.

Now that the arbitrator has determined that the players are entitled to 50 per cent of the net profits, the next step for the arbitrator is to determine what figure should be paid out.

A case management hearing will take place in London in June, when dates will be set for the trial some time later this year.

Both parties agreed that the arbitration hearings will be in private, and no one is allowed to disclose the contents of the proceedings and/or the judgment.

In his judgment, Mill said he was disappointed that neither Warner nor the TTFF secretary Richard Groden appeared during the hearing in April.

The arbitrator indicated in his judgment that he hoped the TTFF would provide a proper account of the monies received to the players.

“Obviously, I hope that the effect of this decision will be that a proper account will expeditiously be rendered, together with the payments shown as due by that account and sufficient inspection of the TTFF’s records to enable the applicants reasonably to be satisfied that they have received that to which they are entitled.

“In that context, I should observe that any agreement entered into prior to qualification for the World Cup Finals, but which resulted in revenues accruing to the TTFF in consequence of qualifying, should be disclosed by the TTFF to the applicants.”

The players argued that the T&T Government published a figure of $173 million which the TTFF supposedly received during the campaign, but the TTFF disputed this, saying the figure was much less.

During the hearings in London, four players gave oral evidence before the arbitrator: goalkeepers Shaka Hislop and Kelvin Jack, defender Brent Sancho, and striker Stern John.

The 16 players who took the TTFF to arbitration were: Marvin Andrews, Christopher Birchall, Atiba Charles, Cyd Gray, Ian Cox, Cornell Glen, Shaka Hislop, Avery John, Stern John, Kenwyne Jones, Kelvin Jack, Collin Samuel, Brent Sancho, Aurtis Whitley, Evans Wise and Anthony Wolfe.

Representing the players were British attorneys Rupert Butler and Mike Townley, while Englishman William Mc-Commick, assisted by Trinidad lawyers Om Lalla and Kelvin Ramkissoon, appeared for the TTFF.

The impasse started in the Port-of-Spain High Court last year, but the TTFF took the preliminary point that this matter was not suitable for litigation.

The Federation asked for the matter to be stayed and resolved by an arbitrator. The arbitration proceedings were then filed in London on October 4.

The players contended that after TT defeated Bahrain 2-1 on aggregate to qualify for the World Cup Finals, the TTFF received US$5.6 million from FIFA.

As a result, the players argued that there was an inevitable commercial spin, in that sponsors paid large sums of money to be associated with any of the teams reaching the finals.

(http://www.guardian.co.tt/ian%20mill.(new))
IAN MILL, QC
...delivered judgment
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: Quags on May 19, 2008, 07:27:39 PM
 :wavetowel: some players names missing man .
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: Deeks on May 19, 2008, 07:30:13 PM
Weel, well, well. Justice!!!
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: Bourbon on May 19, 2008, 07:46:08 PM
And where they going to get an idea of how much that net profit amounts to? The ever accurate TTFF accounts sheet?
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: dreamer on May 19, 2008, 07:52:42 PM
Yyyyyyesssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Landmark thread dread! Well done, well done, well done. Amazing.

Ok Jackula, Scamps and Rodent, siphon off all allyuh can in de coming Socawarriors vs England game as Phase II in yuh ruckuhtuhkungkung coming nex'. Ah doh want to see no sorry-fuh-Jackula threads now. Keep yuh foot on dey neck as iz ah nex' stalling game coming with no answering of emails, phone calls and probably even no acknowledgement of the arbitration ruling.

FPATT Posse, time fuh some media releases, and the game should be used to increase awareness and set the record straight on who is de greedy actors in the story. Control allyuh public image man as iz a fight fuh hearts and minds...

So who enforces the next step of accounting and of funds to  be divided up? Remember, this could take 2 years if yuh lucky. The "Cancer" thread database and other files will be rapidly sourced if there is any whiff of smartman moves by Jackula an' company. Be on guard fellahs.

Be aware that Jackulito is really still blacklisting and only giving Jones, Stern-turn-inho and Whitley a bligh right now as he need them to bring him de nex bonanza, so for all de ress, is later fuh allyuh who making him "lorse morney". Nutten he hates more, (till his blood start to boil), than to lorse morney dread.  :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated:

Yes I.

Big up  :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: WestCoast on May 19, 2008, 07:58:09 PM
In ya FACE Jackula.................change MAN...is time to change...seriously
Now is to get an ACCURATE number of what that 50% really is
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: dreamer on May 19, 2008, 08:01:05 PM
"Coast, daiz de idealist wish, change. Buh iz a wiser move to assume no change, so press on Warriors. Remember the ONLY thing that will make Jackula consider a double take, iz if he real feel it in his pocket or he sees Jail time coming
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: Storeboy on May 19, 2008, 08:12:54 PM
There is a God!  Now leh we see what play the devil have now!
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: WestCoast on May 19, 2008, 08:14:39 PM
"Coast, daiz de idealist wish, change. Buh iz a wiser move to assume no change, so press on Warriors. Remember the ONLY thing that will make Jackula consider a double take, iz if he real feel it in his pocket or he sees Jail time coming
considering the depths that some humans seem to strive to sink to, I am of the opinion that YES such MEN can elevate their lives to be on par with the rest of us in a hard working society.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: E-man on May 19, 2008, 08:20:13 PM
Good going. But this part the TTFF already agreed to in the media - this just gives it the legal weight. The real question is the next step - the creative accounting.

Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: dinho on May 19, 2008, 08:21:19 PM
i need a memory refresher..

wasn't what jack gave the players 50% of the "net" in the first place.

"Net" = (TTFF Falsely stated revenues) - (All possible deductible expenses from airfare to shoelaces)

So the real bone of contention is what is the actual revenue that the TTFF got and grossly misrepresented not so??

This one line in the whole ruling has me worried the most:

Quote


“Obviously, I hope that the effect of this decision will be that a proper account will expeditiously be rendered, together with the payments shown as due by that account and sufficient inspection of the TTFF’s records to enable the applicants reasonably to be satisfied that they have received that to which they are entitled.


What he mean by he hope TTFF give a proper account ???  Sound kinda toothless to me...

Nothing being mandated here and as such nothing landmarkish as yet imo.

Just another step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: Bakes on May 19, 2008, 08:30:54 PM
So who enforces the next step of accounting and of funds to  be divided up?

Most likely they'll go before the CAS panel now...arbitration is what the TTFF called for.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: dreamer on May 19, 2008, 08:42:07 PM
Good going. But this part the TTFF already agreed to in the media - this just gives it the legal weight. The real question is the next step - the creative accounting.



 :beermug:

Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: trinbago on May 19, 2008, 08:56:11 PM
FPATT should use the game against England to make a public statement 1-hour right before game time to call for proper accounting from the TTFF....they will have all the media attention they need.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: D.H.W on May 19, 2008, 08:58:40 PM
 :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: :wavetowel: YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS PAYBACK IS A BITCH  :devil:
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: ckhan on May 19, 2008, 09:00:39 PM
Congrats to the warriors and a step towards the right direction, well done.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: kandi_tt on May 19, 2008, 09:09:08 PM
Good going. But this part the TTFF already agreed to in the media - this just gives it the legal weight. The real question is the next step - the creative accounting.



e-man..you could not have said it better...as any smart person knows a best accountants are the 'creative' ones who never break the law...

either way...JUSTICE!!! cyah wait to see what the payout figure is...

Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: WestCoast on May 19, 2008, 09:37:51 PM
FPATT should use the game against England to make a public statement 1-hour right before game time to call for proper accounting from the TTFF....they will have all the media attention they need.
Very good ...have a press conference to shine some light on Jackula AND also talk about the FIFA VP NOT recognising the FPATT.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: Bakes on May 19, 2008, 09:49:34 PM
More media spotlight is meaningless really...Jack and the TTFF will just continue to imperiously disregard them.  Now that the arbitrator has ruled that there is a duty owed to the players (by way of 50% rights), the next step is to determine 50% of what?  In all likeliness an independent review will be ordered by the next panel (likely at the expense of both parties). 

With so much publicity accompanying many of the sponsorship deals and other revenue streams which the TTFF enjoyed in the run-up to and post-Germany, not even the most 'creative' of accounting will save the TTFF from forking over a sizeable check to the players.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: grskywalker on May 19, 2008, 09:54:12 PM
YEAAA TO THE WARRIORS AND TO FPATT !

FALLOUT NOW START

MORE BLACKLIST TO COME
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: truetrini on May 19, 2008, 10:33:21 PM
Good going. But this part the TTFF already agreed to in the media - this just gives it the legal weight. The real question is the next step - the creative accounting.



EXACTLY!
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: kentsoulman on May 20, 2008, 05:42:38 AM
I know its still early in T&T, but I'm surprised there haven't been more comments on this story so far.

After all, this is the day that many said would never come. TTFF/Warner have lost their case. Ok, its arbitration, not court, but the implications aren't a lot different. It has been proved that TTFF went back on their agreement. All of the namecalling and blacklisting by TTFF was completely uncalled for. The players were right and its taken them nearly two years to prove they were right.

So what happens now? Does the arbitrator order TTFF accounts to be audited. If so, is this the beginning of the end for TTFF?
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Brownsugar on May 20, 2008, 05:47:06 AM
Ah eh read de full thing yet but,

HALLELUJAH!!!!.....GOD DOH SLEEP!!!... :wavetowel:

Ok ah going to read it now....

Edit: so ah read it...and ah goh leave de pontificating to others....me I just still friggin happy that at least the players gettting more that TT $5,000.  Ah watching to see the depth of the "creativeness"....anyway...

  GO FELLAS!!!....GO SHAKA!!...GO BLACKLISTED 16!!....DOH GIVE UP!!!   
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: spideybuff on May 20, 2008, 06:23:57 AM
Wait nah...Scotty not in the 16 who take the TTFF to court?

Hmm, Berris boy...I feel Stern days numbered now if is a straight tussle between him and Scotty for one spot.

But honestly, I think this was the easy part because it was clear that a deal was made. The issue now is how long the TTFF can drag this on for before we see the actual figures.

Bear in mind that we are in court now...this is not FIFA. Once the books and figures come to light, all Jack bobol WILL land him in jail so Jack cannot just hand it over. He fighting for his life, not just his 'good name' and career.. Especially because I don't think this is now a Trinidad legal matter, so it have no buying over of witnesses and police messing up the evidence etc. U can do creative accounting but the boldfaceness with which Jack is operate, it will be hard at this point.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on May 20, 2008, 06:55:08 AM
Finally a measure of vindication with some legal weight behind it. Hopefully this is the beginning of the cementing of transparency and effort on the part of the TTFF.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: weary1969 on May 20, 2008, 07:15:12 AM
We know is accounting 101 but right here on dis site we show dat dem books did not include all d money including for eg d withholding tax that say dat d German gov't take but was not take. At d end dey go get more than d 5000TT.

It was neva bout d money it was d principle dem 16 guys have more balls thanm dey predessors and hopefully d dimwits who eh sign up will join FPATT now as 4 d other 7 fellas I hope dey show some class and help out with d legal fees
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: marcpurcell on May 20, 2008, 07:27:37 AM
TRINIDAD PLAYERS WIN PAY-OUT

By Martyn Ziegler, PA Chief Sports Reporter

Sixteen members of Trinidad and Tobago's 2006 World Cup squad are in line for six-figure pay-outs after winning a dispute over cash owed from the tournament.

The players, who include Sunderland striker Kenwyne Jones, Southampton forward Stern John and former West Ham and Newcastle keeper Shaka Hislop, had taken their case against the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) to an arbitration hearing in London last month.

Now the arbitrator Ian Mill QC has ruled that the players are entitled to 50% of the cash the TTFF earned from sponsorship revenues and half the profits from six pre-World Cup friendlies.

The exact figure each player should receive has yet to be decided upon by Mill but they should be in line to pocket around £125,000 each.

FIFA vice-president Jack Warner, the TTFF's special adviser, who made the initial agreements with the players, had originally offered them around £500 per player.

The 16 refused and began legal action believing they were entitled to much more.

The Sports Dispute Resolution Panel in London were told last month that the TTFF had signed a £5.5million ($11.5million) sponsorship deal with adidas before the World Cup and that the players were entitled to half that sum plus 50% of FIFA's participation money and profits from pre-tournament friendlies.

Neither the TTFF nor the players are permitted to comment as the arbitration ruling contains a confidentiality clause.

But a leaked copy of Mill's ruling states: "It seems to me that the applicants (players) have done enough to raise a case for the TTFF to answer in this respect.

"I therefore find, not without some hesitation, that Mr Warner did promise on June 12, 2006, to increase the players' share under the commercial revenues sharing agreement from 30% to 50%, in order to obtain 'practical benefits' for the TTFF, and that, therefore, that promise was, and is, legally binding on the TTFF."

The 16 players who took the TTFF to arbitration were: Marvin Andrews (formerly Rangers and Livingston), Chris Birchall (Coventry), Atiba Charles (Rochester Rhinos), Cyd Gray (San Juan Jabloteh), Ian Cox (Maidstone), Cornell Glen (Ma Pau SC), Shaka Hislop (formerly Newcastle and West Ham), Avery John (Miami FC), Stern John (Southampton), Kenwyne Jones (Sunderland), Kelvin Jack (Gillingham), Collin Samuel (St Johnstone), Brent Sancho (Ross County), Aurtis Whitley (W Connection), Evans Wise (Waldhof Mannheim) and Anthony Wolfe (North East Stars).

Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: weary1969 on May 20, 2008, 07:31:18 AM
D Addidas money how could I 4 get dat
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: jai john on May 20, 2008, 07:59:03 AM
How many  believe jack paying out any big money ? how many believe jack paying out any money ? how many believe Jack paying out ? how many believe Jack paying ? how many believe Jack ? how many believe ? How many ? How ?  :beermug:
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Lower St. John on May 20, 2008, 08:19:08 AM
Nice initial decision but it simply confirms what we already knew and continues to request transparency from the TTFF.  Left to be seen how the players get to the next step.
Truly Blessed.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Midknight on May 20, 2008, 08:37:17 AM
I know its still early in T&T, but I'm surprised there haven't been more comments on this story so far.

After all, this is the day that many said would never come. TTFF/Warner have lost their case. Ok, its arbitration, not court, but the implications aren't a lot different. It has been proved that TTFF went back on their agreement. All of the namecalling and blacklisting by TTFF was completely uncalled for. The players were right and its taken them nearly two years to prove they were right.

Yes, but the journey now start. The hard part begins now.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: weary1969 on May 20, 2008, 09:07:16 AM
Whether dey get d equivalent 2 a Guyanese cent will b determined but 16 young men had d guts 2 say u tink we is idiots go away wit that 5000TT. So when Gay and dem time come dey might tink twice  as d revolution has started
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: palos on May 20, 2008, 10:32:05 AM
Let's see if they ever get that money.

£125,000...daz a LOT of $ to share out times 16

Daz £2,000,000.  Not to say dey doh deserve it.  They do.  But I cyah see Jack ever authorising TTFF to pay dat amount.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: trinikev on May 20, 2008, 10:43:55 AM
Good news. But before i start jumpin up like ah madman, I waiting to see what they getting 50% of. Still have time for Jackula to pull sumtin out he ass.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Babalawo on May 20, 2008, 11:56:36 AM
yea i not partying yet until i see the whole pot of money. You know Jack and dem does hide money, look how we aint he him calling for money from the the government after Hunt lash him with the "show the budget audit" reply yet
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Bakes on May 20, 2008, 12:12:56 PM
I know its still early in T&T, but I'm surprised there haven't been more comments on this story so far.

After all, this is the day that many said would never come. TTFF/Warner have lost their case. Ok, its arbitration, not court, but the implications aren't a lot different. It has been proved that TTFF went back on their agreement. All of the namecalling and blacklisting by TTFF was completely uncalled for. The players were right and its taken them nearly two years to prove they were right.

So what happens now? Does the arbitrator order TTFF accounts to be audited. If so, is this the beginning of the end for TTFF?

There haven't been more comments because all this does is confirm what many already felt was apparent...that the TTFF owed the money to the players.  When they're eventually made to open their books and pay out it will indeed be the end of a long arduos process, but again...I still wouldn't expect 10-20 pages of comments because people are tired of discussing the obvious.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Bakes on May 20, 2008, 12:17:03 PM
Let's see if they ever get that money.

£125,000...daz a LOT of $ to share out times 16

Daz £2,000,000.  Not to say dey doh deserve it.  They do.  But I cyah see Jack ever authorising TTFF to pay dat amount.

Do you know the meaning of 'legally binding'?
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: palos on May 20, 2008, 12:19:03 PM
Let's see if they ever get that money.

£125,000...daz a LOT of $ to share out times 16

Daz £2,000,000.  Not to say dey doh deserve it.  They do.  But I cyah see Jack ever authorising TTFF to pay dat amount.

Do you know the meaning of 'legally binding'?

Play yuh doh know de meaning of Jackula.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Bakes on May 20, 2008, 12:36:58 PM
Let's see if they ever get that money.

£125,000...daz a LOT of $ to share out times 16

Daz £2,000,000.  Not to say dey doh deserve it.  They do.  But I cyah see Jack ever authorising TTFF to pay dat amount.

Do you know the meaning of 'legally binding'?

Play yuh doh know de meaning of Jackula.

Jackula might be above the FIFA laws, but he has yet to prove himself above the law.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: palos on May 20, 2008, 01:20:39 PM
Let's see if they ever get that money.

£125,000...daz a LOT of $ to share out times 16

Daz £2,000,000.  Not to say dey doh deserve it.  They do.  But I cyah see Jack ever authorising TTFF to pay dat amount.

Do you know the meaning of 'legally binding'?

Play yuh doh know de meaning of Jackula.

Jackula might be above the FIFA laws, but he has yet to prove himself above the law.

Eh heh?

Like yuh did fuhget bout de lil yute who did get bounce down and dead by a former national coach or wha?

Terrible tragedy.  Unfortunate accident.  But no legal repercussions fuh de individual involved.  Why yuh tink dat was?
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Midknight on May 20, 2008, 01:32:48 PM
Next thing yuh hear the TTFF bankrupt after the England match...
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: weary1969 on May 20, 2008, 01:41:00 PM
D tie tounge tief say if dey say I have 2 pay i go pay but I hope dey know dey are ruining demself. In other words Sancho 4get d RWB. Dats ok all yuh go b in d history books like Rosa Parks
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Bakes on May 20, 2008, 02:03:36 PM
Let's see if they ever get that money.

£125,000...daz a LOT of $ to share out times 16

Daz £2,000,000.  Not to say dey doh deserve it.  They do.  But I cyah see Jack ever authorising TTFF to pay dat amount.

Do you know the meaning of 'legally binding'?

Play yuh doh know de meaning of Jackula.

Jackula might be above the FIFA laws, but he has yet to prove himself above the law.

Eh heh?

Like yuh did fuhget bout de lil yute who did get bounce down and dead by a former national coach or wha?

Terrible tragedy.  Unfortunate accident.  But no legal repercussions fuh de individual involved.  Why yuh tink dat was?

Key point there being that no liability was established in court.  Liability nas now been established in an international forum, so there's no country that Jack or the TTFF can run to to hide their assets, which the players are free to go after should Jack/The TTFF fail to pay.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Bakes on May 20, 2008, 02:05:25 PM
Next thing yuh hear the TTFF bankrupt after the England match...


Yeah well bankruptcy is about more than just saying "we bankrupt".
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: kentsoulman on May 20, 2008, 03:21:12 PM
I haven't checked FIFA regs, but I'm sure that if a country's federation is bankrupt, they are automatically suspended from all FIFA competitions.

My question, if that is true, is this. Will everyone blame these players or will they blame TTFF if the Warriors are kicked out of the world cup qualifiers?
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: palos on May 20, 2008, 03:46:32 PM
I haven't checked FIFA regs, but I'm sure that if a country's federation is bankrupt, they are automatically suspended from all FIFA competitions.

My question, if that is true, is this. Will everyone blame these players or will they blame TTFF if the Warriors are kicked out of the world cup qualifiers?

Big question dat.

One has to wonder....

1 - Will TTFF let it get to that?  I say hell yeah.  Is Jackula yuh dealin wit.  He go blame de "greedy" players and de Government fuh it too.

2 - Will the players and T&T football in general (including fans and corporate) have the gumption and the BALLS to sacrifice a potential World Cup appearance to perhaps finally get rid of the TTFF as it stands?  I say NO!

3 - Let's say TTFF does claim bankruptcy and FIFA does suspend T&T per their regulations, does this automatically mean the end of the TTFF as it stands?  I say NO!
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Deeks on May 20, 2008, 03:55:01 PM
I can't see the players getting blame. As a matter of fact, I dare Jack to carried it that far to get suspension.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: WestCoast on May 20, 2008, 04:08:17 PM
I haven't checked FIFA regs, but I'm sure that if a country's federation is bankrupt, they are automatically suspended from all FIFA competitions.

My question, if that is true, is this. Will everyone blame these players or will they blame TTFF if the Warriors are kicked out of the world cup qualifiers?
Jackula was mentored by Jean-Marie Faustin Goedefroid de Havelange and maybe you should read "Foul".
You ever heard of the Mafia...well this is not the Mafia nuh...
it is FIFA
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Deeks on May 20, 2008, 04:36:59 PM
If it takes suspension and missing the WC to put TTFF in order, then so be it.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Brownsugar on May 20, 2008, 04:43:15 PM
D tie tounge tief say if dey say I have 2 pay i go pay but I hope dey know dey are ruining demself. In other words Sancho 4get d RWB. Dats ok all yuh go b in d history books like Rosa Parks

Where yuh hear him saying dat??  on a news clip??

Yeah well we not surprised are we??  daiz de only way de man know to operate....that is code for anybody else want to try to test me.....will never see de light of day in dis country....dat eh nutten cuz

GOD DOH SLEEP!!!...
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: dreamer on May 20, 2008, 04:46:50 PM
If it takes suspension and missing the WC to put TTFF in order, then so be it.

Now we talking. Daiz de real deal talking dey. Powerful point. Iz hard to underscore enough how important those few words are and how much it may seem counter to the prevailing culture in T&T.. but it is slowly changing, and maybe not as slow as yuh think.  ::)
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Bianconeri on May 20, 2008, 05:01:20 PM
got a question here...
the big parade they had that ended in the stadium and had a big presentation when they came back....
did they each get $1 million TT  then??
and thas not when certain members of the technical staff werent included etc.

havin trouble keeping up with this madness
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Babalawo on May 20, 2008, 05:04:24 PM
I haven't checked FIFA regs, but I'm sure that if a country's federation is bankrupt, they are automatically suspended from all FIFA competitions.

My question, if that is true, is this. Will everyone blame these players or will they blame TTFF if the Warriors are kicked out of the world cup qualifiers?
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the TTFF can't go backrupt if they simply show the government their audit, so they can get money from the government. but the Government haven't heard any reply from the TTFF since that offer.  So the ball is still in TTFF court and they have to take all the blame
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: E-man on May 20, 2008, 05:20:48 PM
Trinidad World Cup players win payment dispute over 2006 World Cup revenue
The Associated Press


Published: May 21, 2008

PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad: A group of players from Trinidad's 2006 World Cup side has won an arbitration ruling from a London court that one says entitles them to some of the profit the team generated from playing in soccer's quadrennial championship.

Goalkeeper Kelvin Jack said he and 15 of his teammates had filed a complaint against the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation seeking at least half of the profit earned.

The government has declined to release that figure. Officials say the federation made US$28 million (€18 million) from the World Cup. The federation has declined to comment.

The complaint originally was registered in Trinidad, but then moved to England — where many of the players play their club soccer — after both sides agreed to arbitration.

Jack was one of four players who testified during last month's hearings. He told The Associated Press Thursday that he considered the ruling a victory.
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"We still have some ways to go," he said. "This is no longer about the money, but about principle and respect."

He said a judge will decide in June how much each player will receive.

Trinidad became the smallest nation to play in the World Cup when it qualified for the 2006 championship in Germany. It was eliminated in the first round and finished last in its group but not before holding Sweden to a 0-0 draw and allowing two goals in the final seven minutes to lose to England 2-0.

Trinidad players to get disputed payment
The Associated Press


Published: May 21, 2008

PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad: A London arbitrator ruled that a group of soccer players from Trinidad and Tobago is entitled to profits from the team's 2006 World Cup appearance.

Soccer player Kelvin Jack said he and 15 other players had filed a complaint against the Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation seeking at least 50 percent of net profits earned.

The government has declined to release that figure. Government officials said the federation received $28 million in gross profits. Federation spokesman Shaun Fuentes declined to comment.

The complaint originally was registered in Trinidad and Tobago, but moved to England — where many of the players play their club soccer — after both sides agreed to arbitration and was decided by Ian Mill.

Jack was one of four players who testified during last month's hearings. He told The Associated Press on Thursday that he considered the ruling a victory.

He said a judge will decide in June how much each player will receive.

Trinidad told to pay up
UK Guardian


Shaka Hislop, Stern John and Kenwyne Jones have won a first victory of their close season after an arbitration ruling found that the Trinidad & Tobago Football Federation should pay its 2006 World Cup squad 50% of net profits in accordance with pre-tournament promises. The verdict, which is subject to a confidentiality clause, was leaked to the Trinidad Guardian on Monday after a hearing in London last month but the players must now establish what the TTFF generated from their participation. They have contended that it raised tens of millions of pounds through sponsorship and government grants.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: weary1969 on May 20, 2008, 05:32:38 PM
A radio clip now say is 50% of gross. Lawd have mercy
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: D.H.W on May 20, 2008, 05:35:53 PM
Jack already start getting confrontational
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Dutty on May 20, 2008, 05:36:43 PM
Arbitration, schmarbitration  de beast will never give away money cool cool so unless it have profit for de beast


Yuh feel ah man in england could make de man re-mortgage he diamond encrusted coffin dry so?
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: spideybuff on May 20, 2008, 05:37:31 PM
I can't see the players getting blame. As a matter of fact, I dare Jack to carried it that far to get suspension.

Like you doh know Jack! That is his ace in the hole...getting us suspended. He will still be a VP in FIFA and getting paid you know.

And it will be the players fault as far as most of the country concerned. I mean, how many times it have people on this board blaming the greedy players over this thing here and we supposed to be the more knowledgeable ones when it come to football?
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: spideybuff on May 20, 2008, 05:40:34 PM
A radio clip now say is 50% of gross. Lawd have mercy

According to Sancho on tv6 is 50% GROSS of the World Cup money and endorsments; 50% NET of the money from the warm-up games and 50% of the money for qualifying which they got some of already in January 2006. The TTFF said it was 6million francs and subtract 21% and 4% of some german taxes, but it turn out to be 7 million francs and tax free so they have to get the remainder.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: weary1969 on May 20, 2008, 07:01:29 PM
Yeah Spidey that is d money Jack say d gov't tax but d German gov't did not tax d money
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: mwanasoka on May 20, 2008, 08:19:41 PM
Goog decision for The Sensational Sixteen.
Sounds to me like 'Little fish in ah big pond wid SHARKS.
Jackoff & The TTFF not dealing with The FPATT in good faith even though they
agreed to recognize them as ah legal entity.Come disbursement time, they [ TTFF ]
could pay off the players in PENNIES fuh HARDBALL sake.
It go be too hard fuh J'off &TTFF tuh hide they ASSets cuz any sizable commercial
windfall or contribution makes its own paper trail & is archivable,even de 55 Gallons
of Rum. Jackoff & Company is de Antagonist in dis script.
Ah Lesson must be seen in this tragedy, by de new young players from now on:
HAVE PROTECTION & WITNESSES WITH YOU WHEN DE SHARKS ARE ABOUT.
PACHO, Relea su contrato. Pida Simoes.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: weary1969 on May 20, 2008, 11:32:03 PM
Jack and dem eh pay the arbitrator is d players lawyer who pay so d jud ;)gment could b released. I hope he sue 4 his money
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: FLi ! on May 21, 2008, 03:18:08 AM
So who enforces the next step of accounting and of funds to  be divided up?

Most likely they'll go before the CAS panel now...arbitration is what the TTFF called for.

contrary to what JW has said in the media, this appeal to CAS is only with leave of the arbitrator and considering the TTFF's conduct in the arbitration; releasing details of the confidential award in breach of confidence, refusing to pay the fee ( a clear stalling tactic to delay the enforcement of the award) and having lost on every point, I do not see Ian Mill QC granting such leave.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: WestCoast on May 21, 2008, 04:47:06 AM
Jack and dem eh pay the arbitrator is d players lawyer who pay so d jud ;)gment could b released. I hope he sue 4 his money
is so?
nice move FPATT
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: FLi ! on May 21, 2008, 04:55:18 AM
Jack and dem eh pay the arbitrator is d players lawyer who pay so d jud ;)gment could b released. I hope he sue 4 his money
is so?
nice move FPATT

actually it was personally paid by the instructing solicitor, not really an FPATT move
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: weary1969 on May 21, 2008, 10:04:35 AM
FLi leh we know when d man get back he money
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks
Post by: Bakes on May 21, 2008, 11:27:55 AM
So who enforces the next step of accounting and of funds to  be divided up?

Most likely they'll go before the CAS panel now...arbitration is what the TTFF called for.

contrary to what JW has said in the media, this appeal to CAS is only with leave of the arbitrator and considering the TTFF's conduct in the arbitration; releasing details of the confidential award in breach of confidence, refusing to pay the fee ( a clear stalling tactic to delay the enforcement of the award) and having lost on every point, I do not see Ian Mill QC granting such leave.

I wasn't talking about an appeal of Mill's ruling...I meant the next step in determining how much money was made.  As I understood it a second round of arbitration is now necessary to get the proper accounting.  Anyways I got the answer that I needed...the accounting apparently is to be done upon Mill's order himself.  So the next steps are still in his court so to speak.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Brownsugar on July 08, 2008, 02:26:32 PM
uuuuummmmm....wha is the latest with this??   ???
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Babalawo on July 08, 2008, 02:32:46 PM
uuuuummmmm....wha is the latest with this??   ???

Yes simply did the 16 get their money OR not?
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Brownsugar on July 08, 2008, 02:36:18 PM
uuuuummmmm....wha is the latest with this??   ???

Yes simply did the 16 get their money OR not?

As far as I know...NOT.  But if ah not mistaken, the ball in Jackula/TTFF court and as far as I could see we get side tracked with stadium bachanal, Bermuda bachanal, all kinda bachanal....

BUT, Jackula....where de money??
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: E-man on July 08, 2008, 03:11:41 PM
The arbitrator must come up with a figure

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the next step for the arbitrator is to determine what figure should be paid out.

A case management hearing will take place in London in June, when dates will be set for the trial some time later this year.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: weary1969 on July 08, 2008, 10:13:19 PM
Come up wit dat figure quick please all yuh familiar wit d concept of time value of money
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: E-man on July 08, 2008, 10:21:25 PM
Come up wit dat figure quick please all yuh familiar wit d concept of time value of money

The arbitrator should include interest from when the payment should have been made.
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: weary1969 on July 08, 2008, 10:25:38 PM
I hope is compound interest
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Brownsugar on July 09, 2008, 07:27:45 AM
The arbitrator must come up with a figure

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the next step for the arbitrator is to determine what figure should be paid out.

A case management hearing will take place in London in June, when dates will be set for the trial some time later this year.


Ok cool....ah just want to make sure we eh forget nah...
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: weary1969 on July 09, 2008, 06:59:34 PM
Brent talk bout dat 2nite he say Jack and dem eh even acknowledge d judgment against dem if dem fellas have 2 leave d money in dey estate dey will receive dat money
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: Brownsugar on July 09, 2008, 07:25:55 PM
Brent talk bout dat 2nite he say Jack and dem eh even acknowledge d judgment against dem if dem fellas have 2 leave d money in dey estate dey will receive dat money

Dat nasty vampire.... >:(
Title: Re: Soca Warriors get big bucks.
Post by: weary1969 on July 09, 2008, 09:11:15 PM
Yep dat is what he is a nasty vampire
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