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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Bakes on June 26, 2008, 10:50:58 AM
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Spain is ah team I never rooted for b/c ah de national fixation with diving... but ah dunno, cyah make up mih mind on this one.
Either way ah have to miss dis one....will peep and get some updates in dis thread.
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From BBC Gossip:
Russia's players have been promised two gorgeous girls for every goal they score against Spain in tonight's Euro 2008 semi-final by socialite Pyotr Listerman. (The Sun)
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Prediction: Russia 3 (Pavluchenko 2 Arshavin 1) Spain 2 (Villa and Torres)
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Spain is the better team... just not sure if that will be enough to overcome the magical ride Russia's been on, that team is really clicking, something that can't really be said about Spain.
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I surprised they ent fold up yet...all hype and big name players and nuttin to show for it.
I want them gone. I ent like Aragones neither after he make the negro de mierda remarks bout Henry.
Lets Go RUSSIA.
In fact I want Russia win this Euro...if Greece could do it who is dem.
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not only Aragones, but the Spanish federation eh bat ah eyelid after that mark buss..
i dont normally like to let the off de field politics get in the way of backing a football team, but it is really like they sanction racism with their lack of interest in dealing with. really cyah bring mehself to back dem.
sad though, because they have plenty players i like on that side, like Senna, Ramos, Villa and Silva..
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casillas dispatch buffon. now is akinfeev. big keepers for a big game.
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i'm backin the underdogs RUSSIA.....i can't see myself rooting for spain atall.
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До свидания Испания
Good Bye Spain :D
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Russia: Akinfeev, V.Berezutski, Ignashevich, Saenko, Arshavin, Semak, Zyryanov, Zhirkov, Pavlyuchenko, Semshov, Anyukov.
Spain: Casillas, Marchena, Puyol, Iniesta, Villa, Xavi, Torres, Capdevila, Sergio Ramos, Senna, Silva.
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Well, if racism is a deciding factor in support here ... then I feel comfortable in casting myself as a neutral.
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Well, if racism is a deciding factor in support here ... then I feel comfortable in casting myself as a neutral.
I eh know if this is a good thing, but those Russians Hate everybody equally ;)
"Racism in Russia during the 2000s appears in the form of negative attitudes and actions towards people who are not considered ethinically Russian. This includes antisemitism and a general demeaning attitude to northern indigenous peoples of Russia, as well as hostility towards various Caucasian/Central Asian ethnicities (whether of Orthodox Christian or Muslim faith)."
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Well, if racism is a deciding factor in support here ... then I feel comfortable in casting myself as a neutral.
Ent? I was just gonna say the same thing....
But I'll stick to football and back the Russians. For all the neat skilful players that Spain has, I find their brand to be dull, rife with long periods of lateral non-penetrative passing and mono-pace general play....It's a shame because I think they have the talent to not only be one of the better teams in Europe but one of the more stylish teams in the World....
They thumped Russia in the 1st round, but the scoreline flattered them a bit and I think Hiddink will be better prepared for them this time around...If Russia can find the same form that they produced against the Dutch they will hand deliver a sound ass-whooping to Spain....but my guess is as good as any others'.
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I backing Spain. I find that brand is the best in the tournament.
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Well, if racism is a deciding factor in support here ... then I feel comfortable in casting myself as a neutral.
:rotfl: :rotfl:
well i cant have no argument with that..
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GO RUSSIA!!!
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dais lightning above the stadium so ??? :o
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Villa off with an injury it look like.......Fabregas on for him in the 34th'
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nice nice goal from xavi
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allyuh appreciate just how well Senna playing??
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allyuh appreciate just how well Senna playing??
probably Spain's best performer of the torney so far, in my book only Ramos denying him that honour this game
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de Russians running out of ideas
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Ah take it is 1-0 Spain then? How much time remaining?
... Germany go sort out de winners either way so me eh worried.
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Torres realllll tugging in dis game.....
good dey take him off
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spain in d 72nd
2 - 0 Spain
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had to happen, Russia have no answer for Spain
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2-0 Spain Guiza de sub come on and score....
Russia looking bun
75mins gone
biggest difference in de game is when Fabergas come on for Villa...all of ah sudden de spainsh attacks were more enterprising....
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Fabregas making more penetrating passes, dais the difference.
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spain in d 81st
3-0
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Fabergas have to start vs Germany...ah eh know how...even if they have to play wid 12 men ;D
3-0 Spain
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From BBC Gossip:
Russia's players have been promised two gorgeous girls for every goal they score against Spain in tonight's Euro 2008 semi-final by socialite Pyotr Listerman. (The Sun)
come one Russia..allyuh still hav somting(s) tuh play for
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Where is Russia's star-boy player? the one who will take this game by the scruff of the neck?
I think my man would have done better to be injured for this game. The stock still high, but not as high as before.
Maybe that is why he want to move to Spain, to learn how it's done. (well not the choking in tournaments part - though he could learn that in England too)
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Yuh can't play football without the ball. Spain wear down Russia, by making them chase the ball.
Ramos, Senna, Silva and Fabragas look a step above. Spain had more players playing at their best
than Russia. Well done Spain. Now prepare to be roughed up, cause Germany eh go let allyuh dominate
with rhythm.
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Heh heh heh.....so much for revenge from the first round licking dey get....it good for Russia...little upstarts.... :devil: ;D
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.....also when was the last time Spain reach this far in a major tournament??
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.....also when was the last time Spain reach this far in a major tournament??
Spain won in 1964 and were finalists in 1984
Highest WC place was 4th in 1950
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Good win for spain...the game never lived up to all of the the pre match hype....
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Lawd Kandi I know you was backing Russia girl hard luck there they fought hard but Spain was too fast for them
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The Russia we see vs Holland eh show up today..tough luck for them, but if their players get signed to greater clubs and Hiddink stays, they will be big in 2010
but take nothing away from Spain...sublime flowing team football, a joy tuh watch
Cesc need to come back to Barca, that is a side where a player like him belongs...let Ronaldinho and Deco go dey way
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Germany v Spain who saw dat final I taught by now dey would join Portugual and d orange fellas
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Cesc need to come back to Barca, that is a side where a player like him belongs...let Ronaldinho and Deco go dey way
Why yuh tink Cesc playin how he playin? He good right whey he is.
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Cesc need to come back to Barca, that is a side where a player like him belongs...let Ronaldinho and Deco go dey way
Why yuh tink Cesc playin how he playin? He good right whey he is.
Yeah I eh taking nothing away from Arsenal either....but come now Palos. Barca? Big side is big side ;D
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WOW
BRAVO ESPAŅA BRAVO!!!!!
not only shut down the Russians but won by 3-0
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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oh yeah and Pavluychenko (the russian Stern John as palos dub him), shoulda score that goal in the first half..
that coulda change the game..
he basically miskick with the goal at his mercy.
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A failure for Total Football...
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A failure for Total Football...
hahhahaha yuh too dam wotless
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Cesc need to come back to Barca, that is a side where a player like him belongs...let Ronaldinho and Deco go dey way
Why yuh tink Cesc playin how he playin? He good right whey he is.
Yeah I eh taking nothing away from Arsenal either....but come now Palos. Barca? Big side is big side ;D
hahhaha ... Allyuh Barca men need to f**k off... have fun in your upcoming transitional years....shithongs
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.....also when was the last time Spain reach this far in a major tournament??
Spain won in 1964 and were finalists in 1984
Highest WC place was 4th in 1950
Let's see that's 44 years of waiting to hold de trophy again.....hhhhmmm....bring on Sunday then....
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Yuh can't play football without the ball. Spain wear down Russia, by making them chase the ball.
Ramos, Senna, Silva and Fabragas look a step above. Spain had more players playing at their best
than Russia. Well done Spain. Now prepare to be roughed up, cause Germany eh go let allyuh dominate
with rhythm.
Midfield control the key to Spain victory, says Aragones
Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:41pm BST
By Simon Baskett
VIENNA (Reuters) - The key to Spain's classy 3-0 semi-final win over Russia at Euro 2008 was controlling the midfield after Cesc Fabregas came on for injured striker David Villa, coach Luis Aragones said on Thursday.
"When both (Fernando) Torres and Villa were on we had a little problem in dominating the midfield," Aragones told a news conference. "But when Cesc came on we got control.
"We seem to be playing better with one striker than two, because we have more control and are able to exert more pressure in midfield."
Fabregas added new zest to the midfield when he arrived late in the first half and Spain took the lead early in the second when Xavi steered an Andres Iniesta cross into the net.
Spain took complete control thereafter with Fabregas setting up their second for substitute Daniel Guiza with a clever chip over the Russian defence and then providing the killer pass for fellow midfielder David Silva to wrap up with the third.
"We started the game playing the sort of football that suited Russia, playing too many long balls up front," Aragones said.
"But once we started controlling possession, then I think it was our most complete game of the tournament and to do that in a semi-final is very difficult."
Aragones praised his team's achievement in reaching their first final for 24 years.
"The team has played for some time with this winning mentality," he said. "They learned a lot from the last World Cup. They know that it isn't just a question of playing well but also of learning how to compete.
"Cesc and others in the team have the experience of 28-year-olds even though they are only 21 or 22. This team could also have a sensational World Cup."
Aragones said that although he was happy to celebrate Thursday's victory, his attentions had already turned to Sunday's final against Germany.
"I'm very happy even though I might not show it. I'm particularly delighted for the group because they have done everything to deserve to be champions, but we've still got one step more left.
"Germany are Germany and they seem to win against whoever they play...Let's see if they let us play, but it is very difficult for any team against us, especially when we add pace to our game.
"Physically Germany are stronger, but we play at such a pace that other sides end up getting more tired than us."
(Editing by Trevor Huggins)
http://uk.reuters.com/article/worldFootballNews/idUKL2659158120080626?rpc=401&
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Just a few days ago people was singing praises of this Russian team,what happen to them today,i'm only seeing comments about the players but i think Russia's problem was they did not have a Coach,they were left to fend for themselves through that game,they never adjusted their game to what the spaniards were doing,for a Coach with the ratings and experience that they have, he could have done a better job than that, even if it's just to motivate those guys.
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I think Silva....Spain # 21 is a flickin BOSS!!!
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Just a few days ago people was singing praises of this Russian team,what happen to them today,i'm only seeing comments about the players but i think Russia's problem was they did not have a Coach,they were left to fend for themselves through that game,they never adjusted their game to what the spaniards were doing,for a Coach with the ratings and experience that they have, he could have done a better job than that, even if it's just to motivate those guys.
Yeah, Hiddink did seem to be AWOL. I eh know ... I believe he made his comments @ the half but it did seem that he was somewhat less than lively.
Aside from the predictability of employing the same tactics as Russia used against the Dutch, one wonders whether pressing the way they did versus Holland may not have reaped better rewards ... against the Dutch he went for broke; against the Spanish he hedged his bet ...
I think this game was influenced in large part by his consideration of when the teams met in the group stage ... he didn't want a blow out on the stage of a semi-final match.
Russia used two different central defenders in today's match versus the group stage match ... Today there was no Kolodin (the guy with the blistering shot from distance who would also power through the middle) and no Shirokov.
Instead Hiddink used one of the Berezutsky brothers and Ignashevich as central defenders.
In the middle today he opted to start with Saenko instead of Sychev (in effect subbing one for the other vice versa as was done in the first game).
Up front Pavluchenko was the constant ... only other heralded difference was the inclusion of Arshavin instead of Bilyaletdinov (who eventually came on for Semshov)
He only used 2 subs during the game ... both about 10-12 minutes after the second half started ... we could interpret this a couple of ways but it did seem somewhat tame ...
It doesn't appear he viewed his available bench as having the depth to accomplish what in his head he may otherwise have likely done ...
Torbinsky wasn't available
Kolodin wasn't available
Of the 8 subs not used ... looks like 6 had featured in some capacity against Spain in the first game ... 5 as starters ...
I think Hiddink was hamstrung by reality ... it would be interesting to know whether he would revise his approach to conform to, or closer approximate, that used versus the Dutch
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i started to look a silva different when in the champions league i saw him string up cech from way out at stamford bridge..
descent player.
o yeah and small mag did u see the barca combination on the first goal. big side is big side. better pray cristinana stay at man u
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Wow....
Big showing by Spain today. The high pressure late in the 1st half and throughout threw the Russians off their game and their approach play and possession today unlike many other games was crisp and had a nice brisk pace to it....Russia had no answer whatsoever.....After seeing Russia play Sweden & Holland I really thought they could upstage the tournament, but they were outclassed on the day, plain & simple....Let's see if Spain can replicate that play against the Germans...
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spain squeezed that midfield a bit and seemed like russia technique broke down a little. russia seem to work better when they have more space.
ramos and silva - wow.
Well, if racism is a deciding factor in support here ... then I feel comfortable in casting myself as a neutral.
yuh look to do this at the EUROPEAN championships? ;)
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spain germany final,ah said it from start to finish.
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spain squeezed that midfield a bit and seemed like russia technique broke down a little. russia seem to work better when they have more space.
ramos and silva - wow.
Well, if racism is a deciding factor in support here ... then I feel comfortable in casting myself as a neutral.
yuh look to do this at the EUROPEAN championships? ;)
indeed ... :)
the time soon reach again for the anti-Argentina massive to rise up and take their stance again ... when saying so ... anybody ever hear about Hector Baley?
I've never seen his name mentioned in the discussions about Argentina football and race ...
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indeed ... :)
the time soon reach again for the anti-Argentina massive to rise up and take their stance again ... when saying so ... anybody ever hear about Hector Baley?
I've never seen his name mentioned in the discussions about Argentina football and race ...
Yuh know me and dem Spaniards from South America arready...leh we call dem as dey see deyself.
...but nah, vaguely remember de name... he was ah reserve fuh dem one time, no? Cyah remember what position doh... Wha'z he story?
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i started to look a silva different when in the champions league i saw him string up cech from way out at stamford bridge..
descent player.
o yeah and small mag did u see the barca combination on the first goal. big side is big side. better pray cristinana stay at man u
Combination lol... a man take a shot and Xavi directed it in... big side my ass.. Hope we get to embarass yall again next season.. and dont worry about CR7...Even if he leaves he will poison yall for years to come with your enimies..
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germany in trouble.......as i said in de beginning spain taking de whole ting :beermug:
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indeed ... :)
the time soon reach again for the anti-Argentina massive to rise up and take their stance again ... when saying so ... anybody ever hear about Hector Baley?
I've never seen his name mentioned in the discussions about Argentina football and race ...
Yuh know me and dem Spaniards from South America arready...leh we call dem as dey see deyself.
...but nah, vaguely remember de name... he was ah reserve fuh dem one time, no? Cyah remember what position doh... Wha'z he story?
Many know the name Ricardo Lavolpe b/c of his roles in Mexico. Some know Lavolpe was ARG's third-string keeper. Many know Fillol was the starting choice, but Baley was the second choice keeper and occasional starter on the national team ...
Well by now you and others may have investigated him a lil further ... I mention him because of his race ... clearly a man of African descent ... never seen his name mentioned and there's been a lot of discussion on the forum on blacks in Argentina etc ... he's sort of off the radar but I've seen him interviewed ... seems like an understated fella.
He featured in some prominent matches ... for instance played versus England (pre-Falklands) ... in a squad with Tarantini, Luque, Ardiles, Bertoni, Passarella coached x Menotti ... against an England with Clemence in goal, and Wilkins, Keegan, Neal and Stuart Pearson coached x Revie.
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indeed ... :)
the time soon reach again for the anti-Argentina massive to rise up and take their stance again ... when saying so ... anybody ever hear about Hector Baley?
I've never seen his name mentioned in the discussions about Argentina football and race ...
Yuh know me and dem Spaniards from South America arready...leh we call dem as dey see deyself.
...but nah, vaguely remember de name... he was ah reserve fuh dem one time, no? Cyah remember what position doh... Wha'z he story?
Many know the name Ricardo Lavolpe b/c of his roles in Mexico. Some know Lavolpe was ARG's third-string keeper. Many know Fillol was the starting choice, but Baley was the second choice keeper and occasional starter on the national team ...
Well by now you and others may have investigated him a lil further ... I mention him because of his race ... clearly a man of African descent ... never seen his name mentioned and there's been a lot of discussion on the forum on blacks in Argentina etc ... he's sort of off the radar but I've seen him interviewed ... seems like an understated fella.
He featured in some prominent matches ... for instance played versus England (pre-Falklands) ... in a squad with Tarantini, Luque, Ardiles, Bertoni, Passarella coached x Menotti ... against an England with Clemence in goal, and Wilkins, Keegan, Neal and Stuart Pearson coached x Revie.
Yeah ah went and peeped him afterwards and only saw that his nickname was "chocolate" because of his skin color... a seemingly clear allusion I would think to a mixed-race background. From what i understand of the Afro-Argentinian experience there was quite a bit of forced assimilation, suppression of the African presence in Argentinian society...so even if you looked "black" you were taught to deny your blackness. That could account for the lack of any direct reference to his ethnic make up.
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germany in trouble.......as i said in de beginning spain taking de whole ting :beermug:
Blessings.