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Sports => Football => Topic started by: frico on August 20, 2008, 09:30:37 PM
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I know its early days yet but it seems to me that Maturana is doing a good job wit the payers at his disposal.The same players that Wim refused to recognise as good enough to represent the country seems to be good enough to play for Maturana.He has even gone so far as to leave out our top scorer of all time,Stern John.This man has steadily built our home grown boys and has stuck by his plans and his team is getting some very god results.There has been quite a lot of nasty comments about him that I think is un-necessary,I for one is very pleased that he is not going to beg for the likes of Carlos or whoever feels that their club is greater than their country.Maturana should keep the same team and forget about the overseas players.We must wait and see how Kenwynn Jones re-act to a call from Maturana when he is fully fit.Bigup to Maturana and Corneal continuity is important ,the homebased boys are starting to gel.
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let's wait until after we play Guat and USA before we start patting them on the back
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I know its early days yet but it seems to me that Maturana is doing a good job wit the payers at his disposal.The same players that Wim refused to recognise as good enough to represent the country seems to be good enough to play for Maturana.
Goalkeepers
Marvin Phillip - Played for Wim
Jan-Michael Williams - Played for Wim
Defenders
Cyd Gray - Not available to Wim
Makan Hislop - Played for Wim
Dennis Lawrence - Not available to Wim
Keyeno Thomas - Played for Wim
Avery John - Not available to Wim
Osei Telesford - Played for Wim
Midfielders
Keon Daniel - Did not play for Wim
Khaleem Hyland - Did not play for Wim
Densill Theobald - Played for Wim
Christopher Birchall - Not available to Wim
Clyde Leon - Played for Wim
Kerry Baptiste - Played for Wim
Forwards
Anthony Wolfe - Played for Wim
Cornell Glen - Not available to Wim
Andre Toussaint - Played for Wim
Darryl Roberts - Played for Wim
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I know its early days yet but it seems to me that Maturana is doing a good job wit the payers at his disposal.The same players that Wim refused to recognise as good enough to represent the country seems to be good enough to play for Maturana.
Goalkeepers
Marvin Phillip - Played for Wim
Jan-Michael Williams - Played for Wim
Defenders
Cyd Gray - Not available to Wim
Makan Hislop - Played for Wim
Dennis Lawrence - Not available to Wim
Keyeno Thomas - Played for Wim
Avery John - Not available to Wim
Osei Telesford - Played for Wim
Midfielders
Keon Daniel - Did not play for Wim
Khaleem Hyland - Did not play for Wim
Densill Theobald - Played for Wim
Christopher Birchall - Not available to Wim
Clyde Leon - Played for Wim
Kerry Baptiste - Played for Wim
Forwards
Anthony Wolfe - Played for Wim
Cornell Glen - Not available to Wim
Andre Toussaint - Played for Wim
Darryl Roberts - Played for Wim
Also, I believe, Keon Daniel was called up by Wim a few times.
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And Fenwick was giving problems to release anybody ,so jab had get leave out .
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My point is Tallman,Wim openly said that the homebased players were not good enough and he refused quite a few friendlies because he could not have the overseas players.Maturana on the other hand is the opposite and is not afraid to go local.This only proves that Wim was a total charlatan and did not know shyte about what he was doing.
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can someone shed some light as to the situation with Peltier???
all the hype at first and he doesnt even make a 30 man squad for trainin???
what's goin on? he die down now a wha?
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Fer real and wim was picking better players than Maturana to boot.
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One question,allyuh happy Trinidad win or sad?
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We happy ..but muturana scratching he balls for months while the warriors burned .It take a full out declaration of war ,and daily verbal onslaughts and mudslinging for most of the team to be reassembled,
yes ah give the site credit and now Now Muturana looking like a returning conquering hero steupppss.
Hes a good coach ,but he is do he thing and treat the fans like stupid peasants ,no accountability .
Plus me eint no waggonist ,I never like him before and just cause they win tonite ,me eint changing my tune and say oh I always like him .If or when I change my mind I will let u know.
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One question,allyuh happy Trinidad win or sad?
Very happy. I was also happy when we won under Wim.
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My point is Tallman,Wim openly said that the homebased players were not good enough and he refused quite a few friendlies because he could not have the overseas players.Maturana on the other hand is the opposite and is not afraid to go local.This only proves that Wim was a total charlatan and did not know shyte about what he was doing.
If you repeat something enough times, it will start to sound like the truth, even if it flies in the face of all available evidence or not.
BTW, Wim did beat Cuba by two goals too. I doh know exactly what that prove,though...
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One question,allyuh happy Trinidad win or sad?
Very happy. I was also happy when we won under Wim.
Ditto
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One question,allyuh happy Trinidad win or sad?
I am always happy when T&T win. I will reserve mih humble pie dinner when we handle the non caribbean opposition.
Remember the 2002 campaign eh...
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Remember the 2002 campaign eh...
If we make de Hex like in 2002 I'd be happy.... 8)
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If we lorse de next game to Guatemala leh meh see if allyuh go be so quick to pat Maturana and Corneal on de back. I glad we win but me eh ready to drink Maturana cool aid yet.
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Fire Pacho!
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One question,allyuh happy Trinidad win or sad?
I am always happy when T&T win.
Yuh see dat Frico....yeah is ah twin island state OK??.....
Oh and yeah I ALWAYS happy when Trinidad AND TOBAGO wins, no matter who coaching.... :beermug:
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Frico you should go into politics you come out with your grand sweeping statement how Wim wouldnt pick local players blah blah blah......Tallman then come hit your bullship with two torpedo and yuh change your tune and just discount that.
get serious nah man go on www.weareimps.com
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Remember the 2002 campaign eh...
If we make de Hex like in 2002 I'd be happy.... 8)
even if we implode same way at the end ?
In recent history T&T does start off shaky and finish strong. Whenever we start off strong we pop down bad like corn at the end. So I just wary.
The question is whether this was the strong start of if Bermuda was the shaky one...
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I really dont know what you fellas want Maturana to do,he,so far has done quite a good job and it could have been better if we had the use of our overseas pros,I would be stupid to deny that, although you all may still think I am stupid.I can live with that coz we are all not perfect,sometimes sports can bring out too much emotions and we sometimes say things that we regret.Let us just suppose that there was a blacklist and JW was pulling the strings as was suspected by many on this board,wouldn't you say that it has worked to our advantage.Just look at some of the results he has got against teams that usually beat us.Some post have mentioned about "wait till we come up against Guatemala and such,well with a bit of luck Guatemala should have beaten USA last night and to be honest we are always playing catch up to the Central Americans,before Maturana took over I could have gaurenteed you that would have been beaten by Jamaica,Haiti,El Salvador and even Guadeloupe.Wim was taking us down a slippery slope,slowly I may add.Again let me say how pleased I am for the local boys and although I am happy with our win which I predicted even without Stern and Carlos,I am not going mad bout it.We still have to fight to get to the Hex.
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Big Up Brown Sugar- Tobago boy made us proud- Trinidad & Tobago. I looked at the USAvs Guatemala game . The Guatemalans fast , rough, all man running for 90 minutes and try the normal psychological tactics to get players red carded. I hope the coaching staff look at this game.
The El Salvador experience would have helped but this is another ball game.
Maturana's true test is after that game.
We need to secure our points at home. Having said that we played well in Cuba. Congratulations to Everyone.
Now let's add Julius James- Scotland- Carlos Sealy- and Stern to the mix
Hex here we come
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I know its early days yet but it seems to me that Maturana is doing a good job wit the payers at his disposal.The same players that Wim refused to recognise as good enough to represent the country seems to be good enough to play for Maturana.
Goalkeepers
Marvin Phillip - Played for Wim
Jan-Michael Williams - Played for Wim
Defenders
Cyd Gray - Not available to Wim
Makan Hislop - Played for Wim
Dennis Lawrence - Not available to Wim
Keyeno Thomas - Played for Wim
Avery John - Not available to Wim
Osei Telesford - Played for Wim
Midfielders
Keon Daniel - Did not play for Wim
Khaleem Hyland - Did not play for Wim
Densill Theobald - Played for Wim
Christopher Birchall - Not available to Wim
Clyde Leon - Played for Wim
Kerry Baptiste - Played for Wim
Forwards
Anthony Wolfe - Played for Wim
Cornell Glen - Not available to Wim
Andre Toussaint - Played for Wim
Darryl Roberts - Played for Wim
hyland got a cap for wim so did silas
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I really dont know what you fellas want Maturana to do,he,so far has done quite a good job and it could have been better if we had the use of our overseas pros,I would be stupid to deny that, although you all may still think I am stupid.I can live with that coz we are all not perfect,sometimes sports can bring out too much emotions and we sometimes say things that we regret.Let us just suppose that there was a blacklist and JW was pulling the strings as was suspected by many on this board,wouldn't you say that it has worked to our advantage.Just look at some of the results he has got against teams that usually beat us.Some post have mentioned about "wait till we come up against Guatemala and such,well with a bit of luck Guatemala should have beaten USA last night and to be honest we are always playing catch up to the Central Americans,before Maturana took over I could have gaurenteed you that would have been beaten by Jamaica,Haiti,El Salvador and even Guadeloupe.Wim was taking us down a slippery slope,slowly I may add.Again let me say how pleased I am for the local boys and although I am happy with our win which I predicted even without Stern and Carlos,I am not going mad bout it.We still have to fight to get to the Hex.
Under Maturana we have played Guadeloupe, El Salvador (twice), Jamaica (twice), Grenada, Barbados, England, Bermuda (twice), Guyana, Netherlands Antilles, Haiti (twice), and Cuba. Out of all of those countries, the only one that you can say used to beat us regularly was El Salvador, which stopped when we drew 0-0 with them in El Salvador under Wim. Netherlands Antilles has only beaten us once, and that was in 1969. Guadeloupe has only beaten us once, and that was in 1989. Last time Grenada beat us was in 1997. Last time Barbados beat us was in 1997. Before Maturana, de last time Bermuda beat us was in 1989. Last time Guyana beat us was in 1950. Before Maturana, we had only lost twice to Cuba in 11 outings. Jamaica and Haiti have always been close.
Under Wim, we played El Salvador twice (1 loss and 1 draw). The draw was obtained in El Salvador, which was the first time we earned a point in Central America since Strike Squad days. We played Haiti three times (2 wins and 1 loss). We earned a 2-2 draw against Guadeloupe in Guadeloupe after being 2-0 down. We didn't play Jamaica during Wim's tenure.
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I really dont know what you fellas want Maturana to do,he,so far has done quite a good job and it could have been better if we had the use of our overseas pros,I would be stupid to deny that, although you all may still think I am stupid.I can live with that coz we are all not perfect,sometimes sports can bring out too much emotions and we sometimes say things that we regret.Let us just suppose that there was a blacklist and JW was pulling the strings as was suspected by many on this board,wouldn't you say that it has worked to our advantage.Just look at some of the results he has got against teams that usually beat us.Some post have mentioned about "wait till we come up against Guatemala and such,well with a bit of luck Guatemala should have beaten USA last night and to be honest we are always playing catch up to the Central Americans,before Maturana took over I could have gaurenteed you that would have been beaten by Jamaica,Haiti,El Salvador and even Guadeloupe.Wim was taking us down a slippery slope,slowly I may add.Again let me say how pleased I am for the local boys and although I am happy with our win which I predicted even without Stern and Carlos,I am not going mad bout it.We still have to fight to get to the Hex.
Under Maturana we have played Guadeloupe, El Salvador (twice), Jamaica (twice), Grenada, Barbados, England, Bermuda (twice), Guyana, Netherlands Antilles, Haiti (twice), and Cuba. Out of all of those countries, the only one that you can say used to beat us regularly was El Salvador, which stopped when we drew 0-0 with them in El Salvador under Wim. Netherlands Antilles has only beaten us once, and that was in 1969. Guadeloupe has only beaten us once, and that was in 1989. Last time Grenada beat us was in 1997. Last time Barbados beat us was in 1997. Before Maturana, de last time Bermuda beat us was in 1989. Last time Guyana beat us was in 1950. Before Maturana, we had only lost twice to Cuba in 11 outings. Jamaica and Haiti have always been close.
Under Wim, we played El Salvador twice (1 loss and 1 draw). The draw was obtained in El Salvador, which was the first time we earned a point in Central America since Strike Squad days. We played Haiti three times (2 wins and 1 loss). We earned a 2-2 draw against Guadeloupe in Guadeloupe after being 2-0 down. We didn't play Jamaica during Wim's tenure.
Keep on keepin it real fuh dem Tallest.... 8)
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I know its early days yet but it seems to me that Maturana is doing a good job wit the payers at his disposal.The same players that Wim refused to recognise as good enough to represent the country seems to be good enough to play for Maturana.
Goalkeepers
Marvin Phillip - Played for Wim
Jan-Michael Williams - Played for Wim
Defenders
Cyd Gray - Not available to Wim
Makan Hislop - Played for Wim
Dennis Lawrence - Not available to Wim
Keyeno Thomas - Played for Wim
Avery John - Not available to Wim
Osei Telesford - Played for Wim
Midfielders
Keon Daniel - Did not play for Wim
Khaleem Hyland - Did not play for Wim
Densill Theobald - Played for Wim
Christopher Birchall - Not available to Wim
Clyde Leon - Played for Wim
Kerry Baptiste - Played for Wim
Forwards
Anthony Wolfe - Played for Wim
Cornell Glen - Not available to Wim
Andre Toussaint - Played for Wim
Darryl Roberts - Played for Wim
hyland got a cap for wim so did silas
Hyland and Keon Daniel were called up by Wim and they even made the trip to Guadeloupe, but they did not feature in the match. There were also times when Wim wanted Hyland but dat whole Jabloteh bacchanal was tkaing place.
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I really dont know what you fellas want Maturana to do,he,so far has done quite a good job and it could have been better if we had the use of our overseas pros,I would be stupid to deny that, although you all may still think I am stupid.I can live with that coz we are all not perfect,sometimes sports can bring out too much emotions and we sometimes say things that we regret.Let us just suppose that there was a blacklist and JW was pulling the strings as was suspected by many on this board,wouldn't you say that it has worked to our advantage.Just look at some of the results he has got against teams that usually beat us.Some post have mentioned about "wait till we come up against Guatemala and such,well with a bit of luck Guatemala should have beaten USA last night and to be honest we are always playing catch up to the Central Americans,before Maturana took over I could have gaurenteed you that would have been beaten by Jamaica,Haiti,El Salvador and even Guadeloupe.Wim was taking us down a slippery slope,slowly I may add.Again let me say how pleased I am for the local boys and although I am happy with our win which I predicted even without Stern and Carlos,I am not going mad bout it.We still have to fight to get to the Hex.
Under Maturana we have played Guadeloupe, El Salvador (twice), Jamaica (twice), Grenada, Barbados, England, Bermuda (twice), Guyana, Netherlands Antilles, Haiti (twice), and Cuba. Out of all of those countries, the only one that you can say used to beat us regularly was El Salvador, which stopped when we drew 0-0 with them in El Salvador under Wim. Netherlands Antilles has only beaten us once, and that was in 1969. Guadeloupe has only beaten us once, and that was in 1989. Last time Grenada beat us was in 1997. Last time Barbados beat us was in 1997. Before Maturana, de last time Bermuda beat us was in 1989. Last time Guyana beat us was in 1950. Before Maturana, we had only lost twice to Cuba in 11 outings. Jamaica and Haiti have always been close.
Under Wim, we played El Salvador twice (1 loss and 1 draw). The draw was obtained in El Salvador, which was the first time we earned a point in Central America since Strike Squad days. We played Haiti three times (2 wins and 1 loss). We earned a 2-2 draw against Guadeloupe in Guadeloupe after being 2-0 down. We didn't play Jamaica during Wim's tenure.
And Tallman cracks it to the boundary for four!! :devil:
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dam might be a six !!
I waiting for spin doctor Frico reply
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Awrite Tallman I respect your ability to throw some facts at me but I feel you are missing the point,I am aware of those results that you have pointed out,now if Wim was capable of getting those results here is the big deal,why did he always put down our local players,he was paid millions to improve those boys that are now doing so well.When was the last time we went to Jamaica and get a 2-2 draw with little boys when Jamaica brought out all their big guns.We were also robbed of a win in Trinidad against the same Jamaica.I think those results against Jamaica alone proved that Maturana is doing something right.RESPECT!
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Awrite Tallman I respect your ability to throw some facts at me but I feel you are missing the point,I am aware of those results that you have pointed out,now if Wim was capable of getting those results here is the big deal,why did he always put down our local players,he was paid millions to improve those boys that are now doing so well.When was the last time we went to Jamaica and get a 2-2 draw with little boys when Jamaica brought out all their big guns.We were also robbed of a win in Trinidad against the same Jamaica.I think those results against Jamaica alone proved that Maturana is doing something right.RESPECT!
De 2-2 draw against Jamaica was a great result, and the boys never gave up, but we did not by any stretch of de imagination play well. Just last year we came back from a goal down to draw 1-1 with Guatemala, and we played with 10 men for over an hour, and we could have won it at the death. Also, as I mentioned before, we came from 2 goals down to draw 2-2 with Guadeloupe in Guadeloupe, and we drew 0-0 with El Salvador. Maturana try out all kinda players, but when de stakes get high he end up using ah setta de same players dat Wim was using.
What ah getting at, is dat de arguments to support de notion dat Wim was ah goat and ah hound are unfounded when yuh talking about football, results, team selection etc. What it boils down to is de man had no charisma, and probably no tact, personality and people skills. But wit all de talk Wim talk in de media, he give all kinda man de debut, call back men who didn't sweat in ah long time, as well as men who had sporadic caps. He regularly attended Pro League games to see what was on offer. A lot of people jes doh like de man, or never care fuh him. Is ah simple case of dey blood eh take him. Eh nutten wrong wid dat. I mehself never rate Porterfield, although he was our best ever coach statistics-wise, but ah cyar back it up with facts. I jes feel dat most if not all de good results he got was as a result of de tightly knit team dat Bertille built, but I cyar prove dat, is jes how ah feel.
At de end of de day Maturana and Wim are/were operating under a different set of conditions.
I just want to see our football progress, not just de senior team, but all facets.
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Awrite Tallman I respect your ability to throw some facts at me but I feel you are missing the point,I am aware of those results that you have pointed out,now if Wim was capable of getting those results here is the big deal,why did he always put down our local players,he was paid millions to improve those boys that are now doing so well.When was the last time we went to Jamaica and get a 2-2 draw with little boys when Jamaica brought out all their big guns.We were also robbed of a win in Trinidad against the same Jamaica.I think those results against Jamaica alone proved that Maturana is doing something right.RESPECT!
If they not good they not good, what wrong with saying that? He still got things done under duress. Look Maturana eh saying nothing, what is the difference? Look how Capello getting grilled and have to answer question and defend his tactyics, yet we cannot get a word from Maturana, not a peep. Does that mean he think the locals are the good? We will see the team selection vs USA pretty soon and the result from it.
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Awrite Tallman I respect your ability to throw some facts at me but I feel you are missing the point,I am aware of those results that you have pointed out,now if Wim was capable of getting those results here is the big deal,why did he always put down our local players,he was paid millions to improve those boys that are now doing so well.When was the last time we went to Jamaica and get a 2-2 draw with little boys when Jamaica brought out all their big guns.We were also robbed of a win in Trinidad against the same Jamaica.I think those results against Jamaica alone proved that Maturana is doing something right.RESPECT!
De 2-2 draw against Jamaica was a great result, and the boys never gave up, but we did not by any stretch of de imagination play well. Just last year we came back from a goal down to draw 1-1 with Guatemala, and we played with 10 men for over an hour, and we could have won it at the death. Also, as I mentioned before, we came from 2 goals down to draw 2-2 with Guadeloupe in Guadeloupe, and we drew 0-0 with El Salvador. Maturana try out all kinda players, but when de stakes get high he end up using ah setta de same players dat Wim was using.
What ah getting at, is dat de arguments to support de notion dat Wim was ah goat and ah hound are unfounded when yuh talking about football, results, team selection etc. What it boils down to is de man had no charisma, and probably no tact, personality and people skills. But wit all de talk Wim talk in de media, he give all kinda man de debut, call back men who didn't sweat in ah long time, as well as men who had sporadic caps. He regularly attended Pro League games to see what was on offer. A lot of people jes doh like de man, or never care fuh him. Is ah simple case of dey blood eh take him. Eh nutten wrong wid dat. I mehself never rate Porterfield, although he was our best ever coach statistics-wise, but ah cyar back it up with facts. I jes feel dat most if not all de good results he got was as a result of de tightly knit team dat Bertille built, but I cyar prove dat, is jes how ah feel.
At de end of de day Maturana and Wim are/were operating under a different set of conditions.
I just want to see our football progress, not just de senior team, but all facets.
The Gatekeeper has spoken !!
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Awrite Tallman I respect your ability to throw some facts at me but I feel you are missing the point,I am aware of those results that you have pointed out,now if Wim was capable of getting those results here is the big deal,why did he always put down our local players,he was paid millions to improve those boys that are now doing so well.When was the last time we went to Jamaica and get a 2-2 draw with little boys when Jamaica brought out all their big guns.We were also robbed of a win in Trinidad against the same Jamaica.I think those results against Jamaica alone proved that Maturana is doing something right.RESPECT!
De 2-2 draw against Jamaica was a great result, and the boys never gave up, but we did not by any stretch of de imagination play well. Just last year we came back from a goal down to draw 1-1 with Guatemala, and we played with 10 men for over an hour, and we could have won it at the death. Also, as I mentioned before, we came from 2 goals down to draw 2-2 with Guadeloupe in Guadeloupe, and we drew 0-0 with El Salvador. Maturana try out all kinda players, but when de stakes get high he end up using ah setta de same players dat Wim was using.
What ah getting at, is dat de arguments to support de notion dat Wim was ah goat and ah hound are unfounded when yuh talking about football, results, team selection etc. What it boils down to is de man had no charisma, and probably no tact, personality and people skills. But wit all de talk Wim talk in de media, he give all kinda man de debut, call back men who didn't sweat in ah long time, as well as men who had sporadic caps. He regularly attended Pro League games to see what was on offer. A lot of people jes doh like de man, or never care fuh him. Is ah simple case of dey blood eh take him. Eh nutten wrong wid dat. I mehself never rate Porterfield, although he was our best ever coach statistics-wise, but ah cyar back it up with facts. I jes feel dat most if not all de good results he got was as a result of de tightly knit team dat Bertille built, but I cyar prove dat, is jes how ah feel.
At de end of de day Maturana and Wim are/were operating under a different set of conditions.
I just want to see our football progress, not just de senior team, but all facets.
Boss post Tallman. I can't understand why many folks on the Forum cannot accept that when talking about Wim and Maturana we are comparing apples and oranges with respect to the support given by TTFF, the timing of games, players availability for selection, the actual performance on the field, and the media being able to quote the coach.
Blessings
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Awrite Tallman I respect your ability to throw some facts at me but I feel you are missing the point,I am aware of those results that you have pointed out,now if Wim was capable of getting those results here is the big deal,why did he always put down our local players,he was paid millions to improve those boys that are now doing so well.When was the last time we went to Jamaica and get a 2-2 draw with little boys when Jamaica brought out all their big guns.We were also robbed of a win in Trinidad against the same Jamaica.I think those results against Jamaica alone proved that Maturana is doing something right.RESPECT!
De 2-2 draw against Jamaica was a great result, and the boys never gave up, but we did not by any stretch of de imagination play well. Just last year we came back from a goal down to draw 1-1 with Guatemala, and we played with 10 men for over an hour, and we could have won it at the death. Also, as I mentioned before, we came from 2 goals down to draw 2-2 with Guadeloupe in Guadeloupe, and we drew 0-0 with El Salvador. Maturana try out all kinda players, but when de stakes get high he end up using ah setta de same players dat Wim was using.
What ah getting at, is dat de arguments to support de notion dat Wim was ah goat and ah hound are unfounded when yuh talking about football, results, team selection etc. What it boils down to is de man had no charisma, and probably no tact, personality and people skills. But wit all de talk Wim talk in de media, he give all kinda man de debut, call back men who didn't sweat in ah long time, as well as men who had sporadic caps. He regularly attended Pro League games to see what was on offer. A lot of people jes doh like de man, or never care fuh him. Is ah simple case of dey blood eh take him. Eh nutten wrong wid dat. I mehself never rate Porterfield, although he was our best ever coach statistics-wise, but ah cyar back it up with facts. I jes feel dat most if not all de good results he got was as a result of de tightly knit team dat Bertille built, but I cyar prove dat, is jes how ah feel.
At de end of de day Maturana and Wim are/were operating under a different set of conditions.
I just want to see our football progress, not just de senior team, but all facets.
I wish I was allowed to put all dat as mih signature.
AMEN!
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Awrite Tallman I respect your ability to throw some facts at me but I feel you are missing the point,I am aware of those results that you have pointed out,now if Wim was capable of getting those results here is the big deal,why did he always put down our local players,he was paid millions to improve those boys that are now doing so well.When was the last time we went to Jamaica and get a 2-2 draw with little boys when Jamaica brought out all their big guns.We were also robbed of a win in Trinidad against the same Jamaica.I think those results against Jamaica alone proved that Maturana is doing something right.RESPECT!
De 2-2 draw against Jamaica was a great result, and the boys never gave up, but we did not by any stretch of de imagination play well. Just last year we came back from a goal down to draw 1-1 with Guatemala, and we played with 10 men for over an hour, and we could have won it at the death. Also, as I mentioned before, we came from 2 goals down to draw 2-2 with Guadeloupe in Guadeloupe, and we drew 0-0 with El Salvador. Maturana try out all kinda players, but when de stakes get high he end up using ah setta de same players dat Wim was using.
What ah getting at, is dat de arguments to support de notion dat Wim was ah goat and ah hound are unfounded when yuh talking about football, results, team selection etc. What it boils down to is de man had no charisma, and probably no tact, personality and people skills. But wit all de talk Wim talk in de media, he give all kinda man de debut, call back men who didn't sweat in ah long time, as well as men who had sporadic caps. He regularly attended Pro League games to see what was on offer. A lot of people jes doh like de man, or never care fuh him. Is ah simple case of dey blood eh take him. Eh nutten wrong wid dat. I mehself never rate Porterfield, although he was our best ever coach statistics-wise, but ah cyar back it up with facts. I jes feel dat most if not all de good results he got was as a result of de tightly knit team dat Bertille built, but I cyar prove dat, is jes how ah feel.
At de end of de day Maturana and Wim are/were operating under a different set of conditions.
I just want to see our football progress, not just de senior team, but all facets.
:applause:
BOSS post dere Tallman. Yuh take the words right out of my mouth.
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One question,allyuh happy Trinidad win or sad?
I am always happy when T&T win.
Yuh see dat Frico....yeah is ah twin island state OK??.....
Oh and yeah I ALWAYS happy when Trinidad AND TOBAGO wins, no matter who coaching.... :beermug:
CORRECT !!
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meat riders
cause most ah allyuh was bashin wim too
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Tallman,
You are right. At the end of the Maturana and Wim are/were working under different conditions.
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I now feel that I have to concede this arguement is a lost cause on my part judging by how everyone seems to agree with you...Tallman,fair enough you win on this MB.I now get the feeling that the majority of people do not want Maturana and Corneal to carry on with the job of trying to take us to SA,if that is the case,what is your considered opinion.In my humble opinion Maturana and to a lesser extent Corneal should remain in their present positions,but thats me.Maybe you are aware of more info than I am coz I live in England and may not always have all the facts.REGARDS.
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I now feel that I have to concede this arguement is a lost cause on my part judging by how everyone seems to agree with you...Tallman,fair enough you win on this MB.I now get the feeling that the majority of people do not want Maturana and Corneal to carry on with the job of trying to take us to SA,if that is the case,what is your considered opinion.In my humble opinion Maturana and to a lesser extent Corneal should remain in their present positions,but thats me.Maybe you are aware of more info than I am coz I live in England and may not always have all the facts.REGARDS.
Maturana/Corneal may possibly take us to SA. But Wim would definitely have had our bags packed. He is a much better coach than Mat and Corn put together.
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I now feel that I have to concede this arguement is a lost cause on my part judging by how everyone seems to agree with you...Tallman,fair enough you win on this MB.I now get the feeling that the majority of people do not want Maturana and Corneal to carry on with the job of trying to take us to SA,if that is the case,what is your considered opinion.In my humble opinion Maturana and to a lesser extent Corneal should remain in their present positions,but thats me.Maybe you are aware of more info than I am coz I live in England and may not always have all the facts.REGARDS.
My contribution to this thread has nothing to do with whether or not our current technical staff should be allowed to continue in their position. It has nothing to do with building them up or breaking them down. The goal was merely to look objectively at the the present and former regime, and keep things in perspective, without the emotions. Present the data, after which we can draw our own conclusions.
Me eh care who running de program. I jes want our football to reach de heights dat is warranted after 100 years. I want more football, more accountability, more responsibility, more transparency, more professionalism, more planning, more caring, less politics, less ego, less personal agendas, less ulterior motives. Play de game right.
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I now feel that I have to concede this arguement is a lost cause on my part judging by how everyone seems to agree with you...Tallman,fair enough you win on this MB.I now get the feeling that the majority of people do not want Maturana and Corneal to carry on with the job of trying to take us to SA,if that is the case,what is your considered opinion.In my humble opinion Maturana and to a lesser extent Corneal should remain in their present positions,but thats me.Maybe you are aware of more info than I am coz I live in England and may not always have all the facts.REGARDS.
My contribution to this thread has nothing to do with whether or not our current technical staff should be allowed to continue in their position. It has nothing to do with building them up or breaking them down. The goal was merely to look objectively at the the present and former regime, and keep things in perspective, without the emotions. Present the data, after which we can draw our own conclusions.
Me eh care who running de program. I jes want our football to reach de heights dat is warranted after 100 years. I want more football, more accountability, more responsibility, more transparency, more professionalism, more planning, more caring, less politics, less ego, less personal agendas, less ulterior motives. Play de game right.
Jack,
Read this post by Tallman and take heed.
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I now feel that I have to concede this arguement is a lost cause on my part judging by how everyone seems to agree with you...Tallman,fair enough you win on this MB.I now get the feeling that the majority of people do not want Maturana and Corneal to carry on with the job of trying to take us to SA,if that is the case,what is your considered opinion.In my humble opinion Maturana and to a lesser extent Corneal should remain in their present positions,but thats me.Maybe you are aware of more info than I am coz I live in England and may not always have all the facts.REGARDS.
My contribution to this thread has nothing to do with whether or not our current technical staff should be allowed to continue in their position. It has nothing to do with building them up or breaking them down. The goal was merely to look objectively at the the present and former regime, and keep things in perspective, without the emotions. Present the data, after which we can draw our own conclusions.
Me eh care who running de program. I jes want our football to reach de heights dat is warranted after 100 years. I want more football, more accountability, more responsibility, more transparency, more professionalism, more planning, more caring, less politics, less ego, less personal agendas, less ulterior motives. Play de game right.
Thank you very much Tallman
Much respect
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I now feel that I have to concede this arguement is a lost cause on my part judging by how everyone seems to agree with you...Tallman,fair enough you win on this MB.I now get the feeling that the majority of people do not want Maturana and Corneal to carry on with the job of trying to take us to SA,if that is the case,what is your considered opinion.In my humble opinion Maturana and to a lesser extent Corneal should remain in their present positions,but thats me.Maybe you are aware of more info than I am coz I live in England and may not always have all the facts.REGARDS.
My contribution to this thread has nothing to do with whether or not our current technical staff should be allowed to continue in their position. It has nothing to do with building them up or breaking them down. The goal was merely to look objectively at the the present and former regime, and keep things in perspective, without the emotions. Present the data, after which we can draw our own conclusions.
Me eh care who running de program. I jes want our football to reach de heights dat is warranted after 100 years. I want more football, more accountability, more responsibility, more transparency, more professionalism, more planning, more caring, less politics, less ego, less personal agendas, less ulterior motives. Play de game right.
Who say Tall Man for TTFF President? ;D And Flex too
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Arrite Frico we get yuh point. Yuh wrong and strong...now go and get some sleep. Walk away because everybody dat post in dis thread, yuh go give meaning to it and say man out to get yuh. Walk away.
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jus to give me lil 2 pence. I think that the Mat man has more time with the team than Wim did, and he had to not only prepare the best team possible but it was also necessary to get the best players at his disposal to get the job done. That said if he had used local players who had no track record as against the foreign based players in the likes of Dwight, Edwards etc. who had overly proved their capability and experience then it would have been an uphill climb.
The Mat man has experimented since he has come in and showed along the way the progress needed in his coaching skills and in getting the job done. Yes, I agree not to everyone's liking but if one takes a careful look we will see a progressively interesting build up. The guys have gained much more confidence in themselves and that is a BIG plus for local based players. The Mat man eh so bad after all. But we have to wait still to see if we can reach the summit. Time will tell.
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I now feel that I have to concede this arguement is a lost cause on my part judging by how everyone seems to agree with you...Tallman,fair enough you win on this MB.I now get the feeling that the majority of people do not want Maturana and Corneal to carry on with the job of trying to take us to SA
That has nothing to do with this discussion frico. The fact was u were comparing Maturana and Wim and suggesting that based on the results Maturana had done so much better, when that absolutely wasn't the case. Tallman just showed that as far as results were concerned, they both have a very similar track record, and Mats so far has had a lot more support and players available to him than Wim. So based on the criteria u mentioned, we really not doing any better or worse thus far. Your argument just wasnt based on fact.
Personally, I doh have an opinion either way about Maturana, and I feel Corneal pushin his own players/agenda. But at the end of the day like Tallman say, we just want the team to play the football we know they can. Play it right.
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Keep them honest Tallman. At the end of the day we want to win as well as see an improvement in our play. We want to know that we are competitive and that in Concacaf we can hold down one of the three spots. My concern is - Is there a maturana style that is different from Bennie/ Whim. Or is it the one man in front, the new way to go and hoping for a break in a counter attackmode.
I am going by what I hear on the radio . It seems that we are soaking up too much pressure and look vulnerable until we play with two men up front, which is normally 60 minutes in the game.
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Couple things:
The 4-5-1, although not pretty, has been working for T&T.
The lone striker up front isn't really one man up front, it is actually more like 3 attacking players when you consider the two attacking mids when the team going forward or on counter attack. I think dais the idea.
T&T needs to bolster the mid field and the 5 man midfield helps us. We are conceeding fewer goals, and when we are concede we do so later not earlier.
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Watch how the US will exploit that 4-5-1 with a basic 3-4-3.
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One question,allyuh happy Trinidad win or sad?
I am always happy when T&T win. I will reserve mih humble pie dinner when we handle the non caribbean opposition.
Remember the 2002 campaign eh...
True dat we have bigger fish to fry before we get to the hex so monitor the situation, but to say leave out the overseas player is the wrong move, at some point that experience is needed and kenwayne, scotland, stern, edwards will have their role to play, plus we still need to strengthen that midfield
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With every formation harbors transformation___from defense to offense and
vise-versa, before we condem one lets give it tiime. All the hype about Bennie and Whim, Pancho and Anton...gesh fellars give it a rest..talking to Latas he expressed that he was never fond of Bennie's style, yet he gave in and become a true team player despite his personal feelings...some of us need to do the same.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions let's keep it respectful.
Peace.