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Sports => Football => Topic started by: palos on September 29, 2008, 05:57:08 PM
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I goin fuh Russell Tesheira. Of de one's I see of course.
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Dog, Dexter Francis, Clayton Morris, Talles...
I eh picking one..daiz my 4 favorites
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Dog, Dexter Francis, Clayton Morris, Talles...
I eh picking one..daiz my 4 favorites
dont fel that these gi=uys are in the same class as Tesheira.
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I goin fuh Russell Tesheira. Of de one's I see of course.
Teshiera mainly played right back for Trinidad with Selris Figaro and Ray Moraldo in the middle and Gordon Husbands on the left
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I goin fuh Russell Tesheira. Of de one's I see of course.
I agree with you on dis Palos. I still remember the pat on de back he got from Pele when the King tried to move him and he stood still... Man all up in de carib stand was shaking dat day !
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I goin fuh Russell Tesheira. Of de one's I see of course.
Teshiera mainly played right back for Trinidad with Selris Figaro and Ray Moraldo in the middle and Gordon Husbands on the left
funny I could still remember him in the centre with the headband ....
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I goin fuh Russell Tesheira. Of de one's I see of course.
Teshiera mainly played right back for Trinidad with Selris Figaro and Ray Moraldo in the middle and Gordon Husbands on the left
That's not how I remember him but I'll go with your information.
Who would you say is the best T&T Central Defender?
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Actually I remember him in the center too.
Always remember a 30 yd bullet in the oval against Police, Maurice remaining in the same position even when the ball reach back center pitch for the re start.
But Selris Figaro was also ah boss with the Murren brothers around him.
The best for me was Figaro.
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I goin fuh Russell Tesheira. Of de one's I see of course.
Teshiera mainly played right back for Trinidad with Selris Figaro and Ray Moraldo in the middle and Gordon Husbands on the left
I have some questions on this line up myself ...Gordon Husbands in defence ? and on the left side ?
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Dog, Dexter Francis, Clayton Morris, Talles...
I eh picking one..daiz my 4 favorites
Tallest? You cant be serious.
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Dog, Dexter Francis, Clayton Morris, Talles...
I eh picking one..daiz my 4 favorites
Filho man go tell yuh that Clayton Morris made his name and fame playing right back ...is only when he played for ECM motown and later de strike squad that he went in the centre. Dog was good in the air !!!! notice I have three exclamation marks after dat . Talles ??? Filho I know yuh eh serious !
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In my oppinion we have have not had quality central defenders over the last 40 yrs.
I'll choose Selris Figaro and Marvin Andrews.Although they won't the fastest men around they both read the game well.Hey, Figaro was one of our first professional defenders and Marvin even play for a big club in Rangers.
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Dog, Dexter Francis, Clayton Morris, Talles...
I eh picking one..daiz my 4 favorites
Daz a best 4 for real breds....if Tallest = Dennis Lawrence ;D
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Eh c nobody b4 d Strike Squad so Dog it is
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Selwyn Murren and Selris Figaro we the best tandem I have seen. Tesheira was a boss at that position also. He was also the most versatile defender we had. He also played excellent at right back and could also play the left side. Ray Moraldo we very good also. Tall and could read the game well. Played very good in the NASL and ASL. I would have no problem with any of them at the back.
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There was a fella comin outta Tranquil a think it was named Carlyle Andrews who ah had great hopes for..but alas.
Brian Rigsby was a nex one like dat but he never quite make it at de national level.
Thanks fuh de feedback peeps.
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There was a fella comin outta Tranquil a think it was named Carlyle Andrews who ah had great hopes for..but alas.
Brian Rigsby was a nex one like dat but he never quite make it at de national level.
Thanks fuh de feedback peeps.
Yeah Andrews did'nt come through as we taught he could.He was attending Long Island University I believe, same school as Chinas and Derek Lewis and I dunno what happen after that.
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Brian Williams.....
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Brian Williams.....
Central Defender bro. Focus! 8)
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Brian Williams.....
Central Defender bro. Focus! 8)
Big Big fella outa south , Bertram remember him ?
Play with Big Bird from belmont in defence in the late 70's .
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Bertram O'Brien???
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Bertram O'Brien???
Big player dat!
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I will have to go with Clayton Morris as de best I ever see. There is no way I could go with Marvin Andrews. I admire Andrews' heart, aggressiveness and aerial prowess but he was slow, a poor reader of the game and he made some costly mistakes in big games over the years. Anytime Andrews had the ball at his feet I would cringe.
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francis furlonge.
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Brian Williams.....
Tell them again nah fardder!!! that was ah no brainer!!! the dread was all that and more ! i used to take in the dread when he played for ASL, what ah class act. if we had him and tallest today in the back line then half we problems fixed.
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Dog, Dexter Francis, Clayton Morris, Talles...
I eh picking one..daiz my 4 favorites
Tallest? You cant be serious.
I second that. From the moment you see Dennis HAVE to be a fixture in the backline, you know we in trouble, as far as the defence goes...
In all fairness though, he has improved by leaps and bounds since his BSC days.
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Russell Tesheira
All the way,he will always be my all defensive player,I have heard of Selis and Murren and guys from that generation but I have seen The Red Wall at work a Boss
I remember that game in the oval and its not from the lack of effort but Pele met his match that day,man could talk bout Dog and Tallest but check this if you put them 2 players in one body the still could not get up to his standard and thats my opinion
No worries
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I was only around from Strike Squad come up. So my choice is Dennis Lawrence !!!!!!!!!!! overall no one is better. His goal also took T&T to the world cup, it was the most important goal in T&T's history.
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I was only around from Strike Squad come up. So my choice is Dennis Lawrence !!!!!!!!!!! overall no one is better.
Care to elaborate?
His goal also took T&T to the world cup, it was the most important goal in T&T's history.
What does that have to do with him being our best good central defender? On that logic, I could claim Birchall as the best defensive mid to put on a T&T shirt.
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There was a fella comin outta Tranquil a think it was named Carlyle Andrews who ah had great hopes for..but alas.
Brian Rigsby was a nex one like dat but he never quite make it at de national level.
Thanks fuh de feedback peeps.
Palos i'm not disputing what anybody says because i myself could be wrong that is if we are talking about the same person,the Carlyle Andrews i know i think he was from South,i'm not sure if he was on one of our national Youth teams but i'm sure he spent a couple years with Defence Force before migrating to Canada/US ,that's the last i heard of him.Brian Rigsby was around the national team when i was there,was not a regular but was in the squad at times.
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For St. Mary’s and club football, Russell Tesheira played in the middle. To my recall, up until the point when I left Trinidad in 1974, Russell mainly played wingback for the national team. I believe Selwyn Murren and Selris Figaro started in the middle on the 1973 team in Haiti. At that time, Russell was in his early twenties, while
Selwyn and Selris were in their late twenties.
I will agree with Deeks that our best tandem was Selwyn Murren and Selris Figaro. However, my selections of the two best middle defenders are Selwyn Murren and the “Tank.” People may question the Tank’s height in the middle, but Ah tell yuh, he was unbeatable in there.
Trevor
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Bertram O'Brien???
no way ......bertram o Brian was a central midfielder and a stalwart for the defence force in midfield. ,,,never forget him throwing away a penalty against Arsenal in de stadium. very good club baller
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Bertram O'Brien???
no way ......bertram o Brian was a central midfielder and a stalwart for the defence force in midfield. ,,,never forget him throwing away a penalty against Arsenal in de stadium. very good club baller
Nah Jai I not talking bout O'Brien.
Presentation had a big central defender and captain back in 75' 76 ah think.
The fella play about 10 games for TT and then just drop off the scene , I seem to remember he migrate to US and is ah doctor there.
That was when Belmont run through intercol with Plucky and Harewood and Pres win out the league
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DOG
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Clayton Morris without ah doubt.although not a central defender, Brain Williams is one of trinidad's best defenders to pass through!!
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For me personally I would have say clayton (JB) Morris and yes he started at left back but shifted to central defence however i do agree that Figaro, Russell Tesheira were both very good but I give Morris the edge he was very consistant and he did have as good of a supporting cast as Figaro that's not knock Brian Williams he was excellent but the others at most times were not very good but they were OK. Morris benefited from being at ASL and playing with likes of Stewart Charles who to me is the best defender I have seen played in Trinidad and Tobago we should have give Charles citizenship then would made to WC in 1990. Not since Morris have there been any defender that who reads the game as well. Carlyle Andrews was also a very good reader of the game and I think he decided to his studies instead if I am not mistaken there were some problems with him at LIU can`t remember the details. To those whose said tallest or Dog please don`t insult the footballing intelligence of the folks on this forum
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JB :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
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JB :beermug: :beermug: :beermug: :beermug:
Dat wouldn't have anyting to do wit de fact dat he from St Ann's right? ;)
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We Trinbagonians does rate up man and call them "great" based on games against Caribbean opposition and when dem same fellas meet high quailty opposition dey cant see dem way !!!...Man caling names like Faustin, Power, Morris, Sancho or even Williams and the calling them great defenders ...Now dont get me wrong I admire and thank these fellas for what they did for my national team but truth be told we never had anything close to a great defender so allyuh could stop de nonsense
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We Trinbagonians does rate up man and call them "great" based on games against Caribbean opposition and when dem same fellas meet high quailty opposition dey cant see dem way !!!...Man caling names like Faustin, Power, Morris, Sancho or even Williams and the calling them great defenders ...Now dont get me wrong I admire and thank these fellas for what they did for my national team but truth be told we never had anything close to a great defender so allyuh could stop de nonsense
so you're basically saying you can't be great in your own country?
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We Trinbagonians does rate up man and call them "great" based on games against Caribbean opposition and when dem same fellas meet high quailty opposition dey cant see dem way !!!...Man caling names like Faustin, Power, Morris, Sancho or even Williams and the calling them great defenders ...Now dont get me wrong I admire and thank these fellas for what they did for my national team but truth be told we never had anything close to a great defender so allyuh could stop de nonsense
well not all of us have been brain washed to believe that any and everything foregin is better than what we have or produce also as i recall the topic is called T and T best ever central defender
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Coops....
How would you rate your fomer skipper Philbert Prince among the many names mentioned in this thread
Thanks
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Coops....
How would you rate your fomer skipper Philbert Prince among the many names mentioned in this thread
Thanks
I would say most of those guys were better alround players than Prince,Prince had certain strenghts and used them effectively,physically strong/fit,very good in the air,not very skillful (the voom kick type of player),what helped him was the way we played,just win the ball and give it to us,our teamwork/chemistry was good.I would have liked to see him at the international level to really assess how good he was,he got called up but never responded.
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We Trinbagonians does rate up man and call them "great" based on games against Caribbean opposition and when dem same fellas meet high quailty opposition dey cant see dem way !!!...Man caling names like Faustin, Power, Morris, Sancho or even Williams and the calling them great defenders ...Now dont get me wrong I admire and thank these fellas for what they did for my national team but truth be told we never had anything close to a great defender so allyuh could stop de nonsense
Well I saw Williams handle himself vs. Arsenal, Man U, Flamenco and Tottenham Hotspur.
Flamenco were the World club Champs, with three Brazilian nationals including Zico. He starred in that game. By Caribbean standards he was definitely great. In today's world it would be criminal if he didn't get a contract abroad.
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For me Raymond Moraldo
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Brian Williams.....
Central Defender bro. Focus! 8)
so whey did de dread play......hyundai nah boy
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Dog, Dexter Francis, Clayton Morris, Talles...
I eh picking one..daiz my 4 favorites
dont fel that these gi=uys are in the same class as Tesheira.
no clue who tesheira is.
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Dog, Dexter Francis, Clayton Morris, Talles...
I eh picking one..daiz my 4 favorites
Tallest? You cant be serious.
Name a central defender from Trinidad who score de goal that sealed our first win in the HEx on the way to WC 2006, scored the goal that ensured qualification to WC 2006, Wnet to a WC and held his own against the likes of Ibrahimovic, Larson, Owen, Roque Santa Cruz. Man also playing club ball at a more competitive level than any central in our defender in our history besides Dog (i think). Sorry breds, I can't really go beyong Strike Squad to name great T&T players..dat is just my age. BUt since then Talles do enough to earn the right to be called one of our greatest central defenders in my opinion. Look at level of the man actual achievements and few can compare from our nation.
Dais for Jai too :)
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Name a central defender from Trinidad who score de goal that sealed our first win in the HEx on the way to WC 2006, scored the goal that ensured qualification to WC 2006, Wnet to a WC and held his own against the likes of Ibrahimovic, Larson, Owen, Roque Santa Cruz. Man also playing club ball at a more competitive level than any central in our defender in our history besides Dog (i think). Sorry breds, I can't really go beyong Strike Squad to name great T&T players..dat is just my age. BUt since then Talles do enough to earn the right to be called one of our greatest central defenders in my opinion. Look at level of the man actual achievements and few can compare from our nation.
Dais for Jai too :)
Lol... good post. I been following along but I can't really toss out name like some of the older heads in here. First name come to mind was Brian Williams, more than anybody he was my favorite Strike Squad player back in the day but I wasn't sure if I was a CB or not. Ah see whey most saying he wasn't. I also doh have a problem with Tallest, de man, regardless how shaky some think he is/was... more than held his own during WC play.
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:D yes T&T had many "great" central defenders...they proved themselves against Jamaica, Barbados,Haiti and the rest..
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Ah like this post... I have a lot of favorites but ah kinda bias towards towards JB ( ah form St Anns too!).. But the central defenders ah grow up wathcing and admiring was Dexter Francis (Strike Squad) and Anthony Delpeche (Defense Force). Delpeche was especially cool and calm under pressure, very intelligent...and a good captain also.
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Dog, Dexter Francis, Clayton Morris, Talles...
I eh picking one..daiz my 4 favorites
Tallest? You cant be serious.
for real
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Ah did like de fella who did fall out de tree too. Richard Something. Little bit on de small side but my recollection was dat he was a good reader of de game.
Lawd,,,cyah remember he las name but unfortunately he died as a result of complications from the fall I think.
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Ah did like de fella who did fall out de tree too. Richard Something. Little bit on de small side but my recollection was dat he was a good reader of de game.
Lawd,,,cyah remember he las name but unfortunately he died as a result of complications from the fall I think.
Richard Theodore.... R.I.P.
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:D yes T&T had many "great" central defenders...they proved themselves against Jamaica, Barbados,Haiti and the rest..
Stop being an ass, the question isn't whether these players are great from an objective standard... read the thread question properly again and you'll see it's simply soliciting input on who people subjectively believe are among T&T's greatest. No one said 'world class'... ridiculous to try and argue with a subjective standard.
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I back on this thread again. Trevor mentioned Tyrone Delabastide. I only seen him play for Maple and POSFL. Guys for a short man he was something else. Also I must big up Bert Grell. He could play any position in the defence and mid field when he was asked too. He is up there in the top ten.
I like Brian Williams. I did not see him play that much because I lived in "foreign". But the little I saw of him, I was really impressed. As a right back he was skillful and cool. We could do with a man like that right now.
Coops mentioned Philbert. What I like about Philbert is that he played within his limitations. He was basically a solid defender. Good in the air and a rugged tackler. Most of all he was good leader.
I like a guy called Garnett Craig. I saw him played twice. He did not stay in TT.
I heard of Reynold George. I can't remember seeing him play. Some say he was good, some say he was a wild man.
I heard Carpette had played a damn good stopper also. I know himplaying in mid-field. But I could see how he would be a good stopper. Similar to Beckenbauer.
Dexter Francis was another very good stopper. Real cool fellah. It is a pity age was not on his side. He would have done well in England. At least I think so.
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:D yes T&T had many "great" central defenders...they proved themselves against Jamaica, Barbados,Haiti and the rest..
Stop being an ass, the question isn't whether these players are great from an objective standard... read the thread question properly again and you'll see it's simply soliciting input on who people subjectively believe are among T&T's greatest. No one said 'world class'... ridiculous to try and argue with a subjective standard.
well its obvious am not responding to the thread question lol...I am responding to posts made by other posters...keep yuh bacchanal to yuhself lol
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Dexter Francis was another very good stopper. Real cool fellah. It is a pity age was not on his side. He would have done well in England. At least I think so.
He and alot of other defenders that played in T&T back then..but we will never know..so we can all play the assuming game now..atleast i think so
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Ah did like de fella who did fall out de tree too. Richard Something. Little bit on de small side but my recollection was dat he was a good reader of de game.
Lawd,,,cyah remember he las name but unfortunately he died as a result of complications from the fall I think.
Richard Theodore.... R.I.P.
Daz de name. Used to play fuh Army too. Thanks Omar.
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I like a guy called Garnett Craig. I saw him played twice. He did not stay in TT.
I heard of Reynold George. I can't remember seeing him play. Some say he was good, some say he was a wild man.
I heard Carpette had played a damn good stopper also. I know himplaying in mid-field. But I could see how he would be a good stopper. Similar to Beckenbauer.
Dexter Francis was another very good stopper. Real cool fellah. It is a pity age was not on his side. He would have done well in England. At least I think so.
Garnet was a boss but never quite established himself at the national level. Maybe because he decided to emigrate to the states. He was the original Tallest but more skillful IMO.
Never see Carpette as a centre back
Pec was a solid player
Reynold George was not bad
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I like a guy called Garnett Craig. I saw him played twice. He did not stay in TT.
I heard of Reynold George. I can't remember seeing him play. Some say he was good, some say he was a wild man.
I heard Carpette had played a damn good stopper also. I know himplaying in mid-field. But I could see how he would be a good stopper. Similar to Beckenbauer.
Dexter Francis was another very good stopper. Real cool fellah. It is a pity age was not on his side. He would have done well in England. At least I think so.
Garnet was a boss but never quite established himself at the national level. Maybe because he decided to emigrate to the states. He was the original Tallest but more skillful IMO.
Never see Carpette as a centre back
Pec was a solid player
Reynold George was not bad
Bomber was aspiring.
Someone who deserves to be considered is Ainsley Weekes. I loved to see this short man go at it. He had no fear and would take you off ur feet. Just seem to disappear. I heard he injured his knee. May have played right back. B. Williams was a roving right back.
Ainsley was my favourite defender after Brian. And ah feel if I had seen more of AW, he would've been my favourite.
Peace,
VB
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My day is JB. Best defender but not a central one was Brian Williams
Used to hear my father an older brother talk about Sellers who i am assuming maybe is Selris Figaro
Also heard them rate up a Reynold George
Was a youth from Arima who i thought would become one of the best but went america and like ttff forget about him was Dwayne Demming Craig younger brother, he had serious potential.
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Dog, Dexter Francis, Clayton Morris, Talles...
I eh picking one..daiz my 4 favorites
Tallest? You cant be serious.
Name a central defender from Trinidad who score de goal that sealed our first win in the HEx on the way to WC 2006, scored the goal that ensured qualification to WC 2006, Wnet to a WC and held his own against the likes of Ibrahimovic, Larson, Owen, Roque Santa Cruz. Man also playing club ball at a more competitive level than any central in our defender in our history besides Dog (i think). Sorry breds, I can't really go beyong Strike Squad to name great T&T players..dat is just my age. BUt since then Talles do enough to earn the right to be called one of our greatest central defenders in my opinion. Look at level of the man actual achievements and few can compare from our nation.
Dais for Jai too :)
...Name a central defender from Trinidad who score de goal that sealed our first win in the HEx on the way to WC 2006, scored the goal that ensured qualification to WC 2006,
.... ah lorse here man ... best ever central defender ? dais de fella who coach loan him out because he kyah make a lowly rated second division team in England ? ..going a division lower to get some games ? ....
and held his own against the likes of Ibrahimovic, Larson, Owen, Roque Santa Cruz. ?
Goand watch dem games again ...you sounding like T&T was the same standard of dem other teams ! If wasn't for Shaka it could have easily been half a dozen in the first two games. lampard alone throw away close to dat on he own ...way tallest do ? is de goalkeepers who kept the score decent.....
Filho ah trying to forget you is de fella who tried to justify West Ham benching Mascherano for a fella called " Mullins " .
Nah man ...Tallest ? You forgetting a whole stadium boo dat man already. Tallest came into prominence playing midfield and was so woefully bad they try him elsewhere. I see ah vincey shake up tallest in de stadium ...de man was falling all over de place !! Read de thread again ...if it say the best you like then I could give you dat but it eh say dat.
You may not have seen teesh...but you doh have to believe me ask any fan over 50 ........ Tallest cannot, could not fill dah fella shoes.
If you want to bring world cup argument ..consider this ...Concacaf did not have all dem places to qualify long time. In fact in my days was one T&T team. Then one youth team later. Plenty good fellas who never make ah T&T team would waltz in what we have these days. The standard has fallen while the opportunites have risen. That explains how some men could make a national team today who would not even get call up long time.
Let Coops tell yuh bout Tesheira,,I eh even call Reynold george who plenty men playing national football today still kyah pass....
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Since ah man mention Garnet Craig, I go throw another name in.
Although I will admit that I don't know what, if anything, he did at the National level, this man was a boss in college:
Veron Skinner.
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If you want to bring world cup argument ..consider this ...Concacaf did not have all dem places to qualify long time. In fact in my days was one T&T team. Then one youth team later. Plenty good fellas who never make ah T&T team would waltz in what we have these days. The standard has fallen while the opportunites have risen. That explains how some men could make a national team today who would not even get call up long time.
Let Coops tell yuh bout Tesheira,,I eh even call Reynold george who plenty men playing national football today still kyah pass....
In your days, T&T couldn't even make de Hex (except fuh 73) so de # of World Cup spots available in dem times is a moot point.
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Since ah man mention Garnet Craig, I go throw another name in.
Although I will admit that I don't know what, if anything, he did at the National level, this man was a boss in college:
Veron Skinner.
Big Big player. Too bad he was often injured and was also a victim of de politics between Gally & Alvin. He had all de tools.
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...Name a central defender from Trinidad who score de goal that sealed our first win in the HEx on the way to WC 2006, scored the goal that ensured qualification to WC 2006,
.... ah lorse here man ... best ever central defender ? dais de fella who coach loan him out because he kyah make a lowly rated second division team in England ? ..going a division lower to get some games ? ....
and held his own against the likes of Ibrahimovic, Larson, Owen, Roque Santa Cruz. ?
Goand watch dem games again ...you sounding like T&T was the same standard of dem other teams ! If wasn't for Shaka it could have easily been half a dozen in the first two games. lampard alone throw away close to dat on he own ...way tallest do ? is de goalkeepers who kept the score decent.....
Filho ah trying to forget you is de fella who tried to justify West Ham benching Mascherano for a fella called " Mullins " .
Nah man ...Tallest ? You forgetting a whole stadium boo dat man already. Tallest came into prominence playing midfield and was so woefully bad they try him elsewhere. I see ah vincey shake up tallest in de stadium ...de man was falling all over de place !! Read de thread again ...if it say the best you like then I could give you dat but it eh say dat.
You may not have seen teesh...but you doh have to believe me ask any fan over 50 ........ Tallest cannot, could not fill dah fella shoes.
If you want to bring world cup argument ..consider this ...Concacaf did not have all dem places to qualify long time. In fact in my days was one T&T team. Then one youth team later. Plenty good fellas who never make ah T&T team would waltz in what we have these days. The standard has fallen while the opportunites have risen. That explains how some men could make a national team today who would not even get call up long time.
Let Coops tell yuh bout Tesheira,,I eh even call Reynold george who plenty men playing national football today still kyah pass....
hahah... I expect no less from you Jai. Hot and sweaty but fail to read. Where did I say Talles and the names I listed are the best ever. Go back and take a slow read.
In any case, I and all tired talk bout T&T coulda collect a few goals well in some of them games but Talles did well imo. I found Sancho more culpable on an individual level and as a unit, the defense had its holes, but Talles reputation was enhanced from his efforts imo. I watch him live..he was especially impressive vs. England.
like it or not..Big Den play at a higher level than most other T&T defenders allyuh calling dey.
Jai..give it a rest with the Mullins / Mascherano talk. You and I both know football and Mascherano just didn't fit at West Ham. Be happy the man is excelling at a team more befitting of his ability. If you are a coach that only plays players cuz of their name..daiz you. But Mascherano was pure shite at West Ham, while Mullins was enjoying a rich vein of form..including a couple of game winning goals. Glad dey bench him. It made him unhappy and he left. Best for everyone. You real sickening wid dat ole talk :devil:
And yeah..like I said, read carefully. I say them 4 are my favorites. I was never qualified to say who is the best ever, so I chose my words carefully. I eh no old man so prior to Strike Squad..I doh have any idea who the best central defenders were. you carrying on like I say he better than Tesheira and co. I have no clue who those fellas are. They played in a different era and it doh sound like dey test themsleves at any really remarkable level to even warrant a cross generational comparison. Anyway the foru I pick are among the greatest in my relatively short football life (again..i am making my opinion conditional)
As for talent better, opportunities fewer, in the past..give me a break. Opportunities might have been fewer but Concacaf standards was relatively shite and T&T national teams in dem days didn't even come close except when they cheat we boys in 73. Concacaf far more competitive now and yuh basically playing for 1.5 places with the US and Mexico setting such a high standard compared to the rest.
peace.
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yeah we could go all night on this ...but the thread says " Re; T&T's best ever Cental defender ...who would that be ? So what were you respeonding to when you named tallest ? Did you not write listing his qualifications to be included in your top 4 ? ..well I questioning that !
You dont have to pick Teshiera ...if you eh see de man but I listed some things I have seen of tallest ...you eh touch dem points ah tall !
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yeah we could go all night on this ...but the thread says " Re; T&T's best ever Cental defender ...who would that be ? So what were you respeonding to when you named tallest ? Did you not write listing his qualifications to be included in your top 4 ? ..well I questioning that !
You dont have to pick Teshiera ...if you eh see de man but I listed some things I have seen of tallest ...you eh touch dem points ah tall !
I touched on all your points except a throw away anecdotal mention of Talles having a bad game against Vincey. I touched on his WC performnae, his club stuation.. ??? Jai..you actually read people comments before you write. And doh come wid no nonsense telling me to stick to the title. It is impossible to stick to cuz we can only discuss the players we've seen in our lifetime. So I qualified my statements to make sure. In any case, you and I all know it is more a guideline than anything. Is a talks open to subjectivity and some complementary side chat. You should be worrying bout man who talking bout left back and right back :devil: At least I stick to central defense (kix).
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Since ah man mention Garnet Craig, I go throw another name in.
Although I will admit that I don't know what, if anything, he did at the National level, this man was a boss in college:
Veron Skinner.
Could've been legends, if given more opportunitties. Graeme Rodriguez said to me that Garnet was the best CFL player he ever saw after Clauzelle.
GC scored a helluva goal from around the half line vs. Paulista Corinthians. Socrates the Brz Capt. was the PC Capt.
Neither man was on the S. Squad. Only friggin Gally could answer that.
VB
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Neither man was on the S. Squad. Only friggin Gally could answer that.
VB
Correck is right! Whey fishs? ;D
Actually, Skinner did get called up to a Strike Suqad practice late in de dance but he was done injured by den.
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Neither man was on the S. Squad. Only friggin Gally could answer that.
VB
Correck is right! Whey fishs? ;D
Actually, Skinner did get called up to a Strike Suqad practice late in de dance but he was done injured by den.
I think Craig had overs football at that time. Skinner was good very good but wasn't he foreign based at the time? Only way gally coulda work that was to sit Marvin or Brian and move Francis to wingback.
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Neither man was on the S. Squad. Only friggin Gally could answer that.
VB
Correck is right! Whey fishs? ;D
Actually, Skinner did get called up to a Strike Suqad practice late in de dance but he was done injured by den.
I think Craig had overs football at that time. Skinner was good very good but wasn't he foreign based at the time? Only way gally coulda work that was to sit Marvin or Brian and move Francis to wingback.
Disagree. Skinner had all the tools to play defensive mid. Instead, that role went to Floyd Lawrence.
The ideal Strike Squad team, FOR ME, without de Gally politics, would have been
Michael Maurice/ Earl Carter
Brian Williams
Clayton Morris
Dexter Francis
Marvin Faustin
Verron Skinner
David Nakhid
Kerry Jamerson
Russell Latapy
Hutson Charles
Dwight Yorke
Skinner & Nakhid did get wood from Gally partly because dem was perceived to be "Corneal boys". Nakhid also questioned Gally tactics and Gally team was operated as a dictatorship not a democracy so out Nakhid went.
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Neither man was on the S. Squad. Only friggin Gally could answer that.
VB
Correck is right! Whey fishs? ;D
Actually, Skinner did get called up to a Strike Suqad practice late in de dance but he was done injured by den.
I think Craig had overs football at that time. Skinner was good very good but wasn't he foreign based at the time? Only way gally coulda work that was to sit Marvin or Brian and move Francis to wingback.
Craig should have been close to or in his footballing prime at that time. And according to an old post from Coops, he was playing in 1989 and rejected by Gally.
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The old man memory isn't all that good,may be some of what you all are saying could be right or wrong because that was so long ago,if i check some of my old files at home i might be able to come up with some facts,but this is what i can vagely remember because i was the person that coached the first T&T team that played in the first ever Shell Cup in 1989,i don't know anything about the CFU i think that came afterwards.
The team i had although we lost to Grenada did qualify for the finals Jack disdanded the team and the Strike Squad played the finals and won it,leading up to the finals we did play French Guyana twice,our game in T&T was played in the Arima Velodrome we gave them about 6 i think,that's when Elliot allen was called back to the Strike squad,i had the guys that were rejected/released from the Strike Squad like Timothy Haynes,Anthony Sherwood,Garnet Craig,Clint Marcelle,Garfield DeSilva,Nevick Denoon just to mane a few,my assistant Coach was Jan Steadman.
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VB
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Neither man was on the S. Squad. Only friggin Gally could answer that.
VB
Correck is right! Whey fishs? ;D
Actually, Skinner did get called up to a Strike Suqad practice late in de dance but he was done injured by den.
I think Craig had overs football at that time. Skinner was good very good but wasn't he foreign based at the time? Only way gally coulda work that was to sit Marvin or Brian and move Francis to wingback.
Disagree. Skinner had all the tools to play defensive mid. Instead, that role went to Floyd Lawrence.
The ideal Strike Squad team, FOR ME, without de Gally politics, would have been
Michael Maurice/ Earl Carter
Brian Williams
Clayton Morris
Dexter Francis
Marvin Faustin
Verron Skinner
David Nakhid
Kerry Jamerson
Russell Latapy
Hutson Charles
Dwight Yorke
Skinner & Nakhid did get wood from Gally partly because dem was perceived to be "Corneal boys". Nakhid also questioned Gally tactics and Gally team was operated as a dictatorship not a democracy so out Nakhid went.
5 defenders? or Fuastin draft into the midfield?
also..only 1 forward in Yorke..a youthman at the time, who didn't exactly have the best scoring record for T&T?
Curious how yuh lining that side up.
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Neither man was on the S. Squad. Only friggin Gally could answer that.
VB
Correck is right! Whey fishs? ;D
Actually, Skinner did get called up to a Strike Suqad practice late in de dance but he was done injured by den.
I think Craig had overs football at that time. Skinner was good very good but wasn't he foreign based at the time? Only way gally coulda work that was to sit Marvin or Brian and move Francis to wingback.
Disagree. Skinner had all the tools to play defensive mid. Instead, that role went to Floyd Lawrence.
The ideal Strike Squad team, FOR ME, without de Gally politics, would have been
Michael Maurice/ Earl Carter
Brian Williams
Clayton Morris
Dexter Francis
Marvin Faustin
Verron Skinner
David Nakhid
Kerry Jamerson
Russell Latapy
Hutson Charles
Dwight Yorke
Skinner & Nakhid did get wood from Gally partly because dem was perceived to be "Corneal boys". Nakhid also questioned Gally tactics and Gally team was operated as a dictatorship not a democracy so out Nakhid went.
Midfield stack but where Leo going? I agree with the gally/corneal politricks, i think pollonais, Ronnie Simmons should be on the squad but dem boy was foreign and men say gally wasn't down with that.
But wait all yuh men blast MEP, but he might be right Brian Williams might have really play in the center for Alvin Corneal.
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Neither man was on the S. Squad. Only friggin Gally could answer that.
VB
Correck is right! Whey fishs? ;D
Actually, Skinner did get called up to a Strike Suqad practice late in de dance but he was done injured by den.
I think Craig had overs football at that time. Skinner was good very good but wasn't he foreign based at the time? Only way gally coulda work that was to sit Marvin or Brian and move Francis to wingback.
Disagree. Skinner had all the tools to play defensive mid. Instead, that role went to Floyd Lawrence.
The ideal Strike Squad team, FOR ME, without de Gally politics, would have been
Michael Maurice/ Earl Carter
Brian Williams
Clayton Morris
Dexter Francis
Marvin Faustin
Verron Skinner
David Nakhid
Kerry Jamerson
Russell Latapy
Hutson Charles
Dwight Yorke
Skinner & Nakhid did get wood from Gally partly because dem was perceived to be "Corneal boys". Nakhid also questioned Gally tactics and Gally team was operated as a dictatorship not a democracy so out Nakhid went.
5 defenders? or Fuastin draft into the midfield?
also..only 1 forward in Yorke..a youthman at the time, who didn't exactly have the best scoring record for T&T?
Curious how yuh lining that side up.
Skinner had all the tools to play defensive mid.
Focus grasshopper
As for Yorke being the only forward.....my bad. I forgot Leonson Lewis.
Kerry Jamerson woulda get drop.
Goalie
4 defenders
4 midfielders with Skinner as the defensive mid, Nakhid in front of him, Leonson wide left, Hutson Charles wide right
Latas in de hole
Yorke up front.
Yorke scored at least as many goals in that Hex as did Philbert Jones, Marlon Charles or Maurice Alibey
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Neither man was on the S. Squad. Only friggin Gally could answer that.
VB
Correck is right! Whey fishs? ;D
Actually, Skinner did get called up to a Strike Suqad practice late in de dance but he was done injured by den.
I think Craig had overs football at that time. Skinner was good very good but wasn't he foreign based at the time? Only way gally coulda work that was to sit Marvin or Brian and move Francis to wingback.
Disagree. Skinner had all the tools to play defensive mid. Instead, that role went to Floyd Lawrence.
The ideal Strike Squad team, FOR ME, without de Gally politics, would have been
Michael Maurice/ Earl Carter
Brian Williams
Clayton Morris
Dexter Francis
Marvin Faustin
Verron Skinner
David Nakhid
Kerry Jamerson
Russell Latapy
Hutson Charles
Dwight Yorke
Skinner & Nakhid did get wood from Gally partly because dem was perceived to be "Corneal boys". Nakhid also questioned Gally tactics and Gally team was operated as a dictatorship not a democracy so out Nakhid went.
5 defenders? or Fuastin draft into the midfield?
also..only 1 forward in Yorke..a youthman at the time, who didn't exactly have the best scoring record for T&T?
Curious how yuh lining that side up.
Skinner had all the tools to play defensive mid.
Focus grasshopper
As for Yorke being the only forward.....my bad. I forgot Leonson Lewis.
Kerry Jamerson woulda get drop.
Goalie
4 defenders
4 midfielders with Skinner as the defensive mid, Nakhid in front of him, Leonson wide left, Hutson Charles wide right
Latas in de hole
Yorke up front.
Yorke scored at least as many goals in that Hex as did Philbert Jones, Marlon Charles or Maurice Alibey
Yuh dropping Kerry? That's a bold move considering Kerry scored the winner in two of the most crucial matches leading up to Nov 19.....I suppose in your opinion Skinner was better than him- can't say...don't really know the Skinner guy but Kerry ended up being one of the more memorable players coming out of that campaign- to think of it without him is kinda tough.
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Yuh dropping Kerry? That's a bold move considering Kerry scored the winner in two of the most crucial matches leading up to Nov 19.....I suppose in your opinion Skinner was better than him- can't say...don't really know the Skinner guy but Kerry ended up being one of the more memorable players coming out of that campaign- to think of it without him is kinda tough.
Yuh right. It jes tells you how much I thought of Skinner as a player. The guy was immense. Not jes size. As a footballer.
But dat wasn't happenin under Gally anyway. Yuh have to give Gally credit. He had a belief, stuck to it, and was almost successful doing it his way. But for me, he also create unnecessary stupidness. Skinner, Nakhid was but 2 examples.
Allyuh remember de "Latapy & Yorke cyah play on de same field controversy?"
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BM here..Palos..be serious...Yorke did not score a goal for strike Squad in WCQ
and i dont have to check no archive ( ah doh even know how)...
scorers were..charles..Jones, Lewis , jamerson
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Name a central defender from Trinidad who score de goal that sealed our first win in the HEx on the way to WC 2006, scored the goal that ensured qualification to WC 2006, Wnet to a WC and held his own against the likes of Ibrahimovic, Larson, Owen, Roque Santa Cruz. Man also playing club ball at a more competitive level than any central in our defender in our history besides Dog (i think). Sorry breds, I can't really go beyong Strike Squad to name great T&T players..dat is just my age. BUt since then Talles do enough to earn the right to be called one of our greatest central defenders in my opinion. Look at level of the man actual achievements and few can compare from our nation.
Dais for Jai too :)
Lol... good post. I been following along but I can't really toss out name like some of the older heads in here. First name come to mind was Brian Williams, more than anybody he was my favorite Strike Squad player back in the day but I wasn't sure if I was a CB or not. Ah see whey most saying he wasn't. I also doh have a problem with Tallest, de man, regardless how shaky some think he is/was... more than held his own during WC play.
All this talk about the wild ras . Fellas he was a right wing back.
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First off Verron Skinner was center midfield not central defence, half of allyuh calling names and allyuh ent know who allyuh talking bout, Brian Williams played right wing back and to me was a wild man.
Skinner never made himself available for the strike squad for what ever reasons I'm not clear on it.
Garnet Craig and the rest of the Fatima crew of 76' was picked as a national team by Alvin Corneal along with players like Big Bird , Ken Mc Crae , Plucky , Harewood, Verron Skinner, Garfield De Silva etc was almost a Colleges league team Corneal pick , they went to Puerto Rico and win out the CFU tournament.
After Alvin start to play the a** with the team men migrate to the US and everybody know what that ment in those days if yuh had half a brain.
When Gally got the team he tried to involve as much men as he could by virtually having 2 squads, one team was playing the shell caribbean cup qualifiers and the other was training and playing games for the wcqs.
Men like Elliot Allen move from the shell team to the wc team.
The shell team was hitting small islands all kinda 10 and 13 goals.
Men get call for this team and maybe they refuse because they considered a "B" team whatever.
The only man who could say with some kinda argument that he was hard done by with Gally is Nahkid but every story have 3 sides.
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Name a central defender from Trinidad who score de goal that sealed our first win in the HEx on the way to WC 2006, scored the goal that ensured qualification to WC 2006, Wnet to a WC and held his own against the likes of Ibrahimovic, Larson, Owen, Roque Santa Cruz. Man also playing club ball at a more competitive level than any central in our defender in our history besides Dog (i think). Sorry breds, I can't really go beyong Strike Squad to name great T&T players..dat is just my age. BUt since then Talles do enough to earn the right to be called one of our greatest central defenders in my opinion. Look at level of the man actual achievements and few can compare from our nation.
Dais for Jai too :)
Lol... good post. I been following along but I can't really toss out name like some of the older heads in here. First name come to mind was Brian Williams, more than anybody he was my favorite Strike Squad player back in the day but I wasn't sure if I was a CB or not. Ah see whey most saying he wasn't. I also doh have a problem with Tallest, de man, regardless how shaky some think he is/was... more than held his own during WC play.
All this talk about the wild ras . Fellas he was a right wing back.
...and a converted right bach at that. He was originally a midfielder for de oilmen but gosh he was slow !! Yuh right ..plenty men talking bout tings they hear or think !
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Neither man was on the S. Squad. Only friggin Gally could answer that.
VB
Correck is right! Whey fishs? ;D
Actually, Skinner did get called up to a Strike Suqad practice late in de dance but he was done injured by den.
I think Craig had overs football at that time. Skinner was good very good but wasn't he foreign based at the time? Only way gally coulda work that was to sit Marvin or Brian and move Francis to wingback.
Disagree. Skinner had all the tools to play defensive mid. Instead, that role went to Floyd Lawrence.
The ideal Strike Squad team, FOR ME, without de Gally politics, would have been
Michael Maurice/ Earl Carter
Brian Williams
Clayton Morris
Dexter Francis
Marvin Faustin
Verron Skinner
David Nakhid
Kerry Jamerson
Russell Latapy
Hutson Charles
Dwight Yorke
Skinner & Nakhid did get wood from Gally partly because dem was perceived to be "Corneal boys". Nakhid also questioned Gally tactics and Gally team was operated as a dictatorship not a democracy so out Nakhid went.
5 defenders? or Fuastin draft into the midfield?
also..only 1 forward in Yorke..a youthman at the time, who didn't exactly have the best scoring record for T&T?
Curious how yuh lining that side up.
Skinner had all the tools to play defensive mid.
Focus grasshopper
As for Yorke being the only forward.....my bad. I forgot Leonson Lewis.
Kerry Jamerson woulda get drop.
Goalie
4 defenders
4 midfielders with Skinner as the defensive mid, Nakhid in front of him, Leonson wide left, Hutson Charles wide right
Latas in de hole
Yorke up front.
Yorke scored at least as many goals in that Hex as did Philbert Jones, Marlon Charles or Maurice Alibey
breds..Yorke scored 0 goals in that Hex
And yuh already had Kerry in your squad, so yuh done had a defensive midfielder. to put two was madness and you midfield would have no shape (aka no width..especially on the left), which is why my question of whether you keeping Skinner in defense and draftin Faustin on the left of mid makes far more sense. I think you need to focus Grasshopper :devil:
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Best ever is really a journey through time and of course we see things with different eyes as time goes by. In college days the best defender I had seen was a guy called Leyton kirk. That memory stayed with me until later when I was exposed to football at a higher level than the colleges league. So what I am saying is that ask this question sometime in the future I may change my mind again.
Some also seem to feel that best defender is one who could also score goals...so with no established criteria then best ever is at best .. subject to ME isn't it .