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Sports => Football => Topic started by: CarenageBoy on October 13, 2008, 08:09:34 AM
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Okay. We walked away from Guatemala with a point. Does that mean that Pacho is out of the woods? Should we take our chances and hope that raw talent will pull us through?
Or, should we cut our losses (so to speak) and start looking for a new coach?
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he coaches well against central american teams, which will be the majority we are gonna play in the hex
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After Wednesday- , All and sundry will be hailing him as the new King. He will be the new Bennie.
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After Wednesday- , All and sundry will be hailing him as the new King. He will be the new Bennie.
not me
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After Wednesday- , All and sundry will be hailing him as the new King. He will be the new Bennie.
Hill?
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After Wednesday- , All and sundry will be hailing him as the new King. He will be the new Bennie.
Hill?
There's no way he could ever move that fast.
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even if we win the World Cup...he should get fired...
dis man just done fit in...sorry...notice i eh say he is a shithound... he just dont fit...
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anyone who do that have to have serious amnesia, if we had the team from Saturday in the first place against Guat at home we probably wouldnt be in the position we in now.
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he coaches well against central american teams, which will be the majority we are gonna play in the hex
I was once told by michael maurice that maturana said that "honduras, guatemala and costa rica will be no problem for Trinidad"
ah love it!!
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I hear dem tings too
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I know all yuh have a short memory but dat 3-0 v USA will b wit me 4 a long time. I eh go have 2 worry bout firin he if we win d WC he go b gone and dat is all I want
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What of maturana? Fire Jack!!!!!!!!
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Even the commentators who was blasting the man praising him now.
But fire him .
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Hush your backside fishes, fire him yes!
He did nothing but bring in players that should have been there before. He is a damn myopic dunce!
Latapy is a footballing GOD!
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Hush your backside fishes, fire him yes!
He did nothing but bring in players that should have been there before. He is a damn myopic dunce!
Latapy is a footballing GOD!
Lol what I especially like about trinis is yuh could never admit yuh wrong
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Would be nice to see us start the Hex (when we make it) w/a new coach, alas, this is probably not going to happen....
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he is very shitty but they don't fire them when they winning his chance to be fired gone and he will play a different game against the jose's we going to meet in the hex so jus wish the man luck in anycase is no longer anton whispering in he ears is latas!
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admit we were wrong? About what?
The fact that you wearing rose tinted glasses and feel that Maturana is a good coach has nutten to do with the fact that he is shitty!
If he had picked the right team all along, we would not have been hoping that Cuba beat Guatemala, we would have already qualified.
You and Elan and Peg should get together and circle jock!
It is a good thing that Scotland, Lawrence, Stern and Birchall decided to still play for T&T after the shabby treatment that they received!
It is a good thing that yorke and Latapy felt patriotic enough to come back yet again for a last hurrah!
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What of Maturana?
We won despite of him, similar to us qualifying for d last World Cup despite of Jack! 8)
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Blaming the coach is one thing but is much politricks involved in that team and you can`t give all the baggage to Paco because can anyone actual say for sure who truly calling the shots,from the time they appoint him coach to now,I am positive many different answers will come in to address that
Give Paco some credit because he dint have much fans here but guess what he have a winning record and looking decent,between the first US game and now this team make much progress and alot of that has to do with personnel
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admit we were wrong? About what?
You and Elan and Peg should get together and circle jock!
:o :rotfl:
Boy Trinis is de bess yes.....I man laughing loud, loud in de people house late in de night.
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even if we win the World Cup...he should get fired...
dis man just done fit in...sorry...notice i eh say he is a shithound... he just dont fit...
Yuh know what.....I got that from the hugs and shakehands passing around after the game. It just struck me that the man is a little strange right at the point when Anton was shaking his hand. His reaction, body language, and facial expressions just make me think the man a little eccentric.
I think personality wise he does not fit. It could be cultural too.
Anybody know who was the bearded man that he hug up and walk off with? My mind just say....obeahman. Me eh know....
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Yea boy Socafan...de beardman is ah real papaneezer
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Let's hear 4 d best coach we ever hadddddddddd he take we from d brink of elimination 2 d brink of makin d hex. D Muhammed Ali of coachin he is d gr8test
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Seriously,
There is toooooooo much uncertainty within the team. WHO? will instill confidence and leadership in the team should Yorke & Latapy get injured? can't make it for whatever reason? Who? The coaching staff and administration have not demonstrated that they can do it.
When Mats first arrived, he appeared to possess a good rapport with the team on the field of practice. But T&T has done well dispite the fragility within the camp.
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Well, well let's see here. He beat the USA after so many years. BSC didn't do it, Gally fall short, beenie didn't come close, forget Wim, and he beat dem with de same players Beenie and Wim had at their disposal, and he do it after a few games with this squad :devil: :beermug: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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its only been a few games... and really its gunna take alot more wins for him to shrug off that image of him sittin down doing NOTHING while the US embarrassed us in our first leg against them...
just cuz he pick scotty after he blasted scored 2 goals himself in de very next game he play in de championship after he say dis coach eh play me once after i fly out missin club trainin fuh WHAT!?
warm bench while the coach doesnt even bother to try any other avenues of attack, nay without even seemingly in the slightest bit like he's watching his team get a thurough cut ass, he didnt even seem to be vaguely aware of the fact that a team was playing football for a man that if supposed to be a well respected manager of the sport, far less a team that is his own.
he's a f**kin dunce to me, as of now and i doubt its gunna churn until i see serious interaction with the players, recognition of this from the players and some improvin fackin results...
yes the win was great tonight, but we should have scored more... plain and simple... just like in guatemala.
no excuses, fedup of the schizophrenic style band waggon hopping.
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D DL exclusion in game 1 v USA will 4ever have him as a hound in my books
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Well, well let's see here. He beat the USA after so many years. BSC didn't do it, Gally fall short, beenie didn't come close, forget Wim, and he beat dem with de same players Beenie and Wim had at their disposal, and he do it after a few games with this squad :devil: :beermug: :rotfl: :rotfl:
So we coming down from de high, and lets now put this USA team into its rightful context: that was essentially the Olypmic team that is being blooded for the future. The most recent games before last night, were against an American team with established players. Good win, but against a less experienced team. We were almost fully loaded last night.
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Dem have some vested interest in callin dumbtist a good coach lef dem
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Well, well let's see here. He beat the USA after so many years. BSC didn't do it, Gally fall short, beenie didn't come close, forget Wim, and he beat dem with de same players Beenie and Wim had at their disposal, and he do it after a few games with this squad :devil: :beermug: :rotfl: :rotfl:
None of those other coaches played against the US 'B' team.
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Well, well let's see here. He beat the USA after so many years. BSC didn't do it, Gally fall short, beenie didn't come close, forget Wim, and he beat dem with de same players Beenie and Wim had at their disposal, and he do it after a few games with this squad :devil: :beermug: :rotfl: :rotfl:
you can't be serious
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Maturana and Corneal still have to go!!!
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Yogi excellent 2nd post
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Get off the coach, he got the job done that no other coach could accomplish. First he was trying to build a system concentrating on the local players (JACK's PLAN), this did not work, also T&T Sports Ministry would not grant the use of the national stadium, Jack Warner's intervention on team selection, what a disruptive situation. In Colombia or any country these disruptions for the national team would never occur.People give the man credit, he got the job done from a soccer federation and sports ministry in dissarray
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Salsero where d MOS say dey cyah use d stadium post d link ah waitin.
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For the Bermuda game, then to play in the Manny Ramjohn, there are High School Stadiums in poorer countries that are on par with this stadium
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Brudder d MOS neva say dey cyah play dey just say 2 pay 4 it just like d SSFL does pay 4 it 4 d Intercol final who have more money d SSFL or d TTFF
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For a country that is probably the richest country(income per capita) in the caribbean and Latin America (Stats From CNN) having it's national team play at that 3rd class venue. Bottom line is Maturana is doing fine in a very bad situation. I did not agree with his selection against the USA in september, but in the organized world, results is what matters.
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Quite honestly everyones entitled to their own opinion and in no way shall we agree on everything... However I think that Pancho is doing a fine job and I have said this before on this board even after our lost to the US. There is a lot of adversity to work with and around in dealing with the national team and dont think for one minute Beenie as well as L. Phillips weren't close to the chopping blocks or the hatchet man.
Lets concentrate on our players and stop all the negativity towards the coach..it is what it is.. Look at the US with Bradley...the man has a very good track record since taking over the team yet the pundits still call for his head.
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Exactly Matador callin 4 d coach head is ah part ah d game but when u call 4 d afro head is a problen. Not 2 mention he do nuff ting 4 we not 2 call 4 he head but he hold body
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Now me eh no Maturana fan but de man ha to get some credit. Sure we looked ridiculous in Illinois but the man have us back in the thick of it and looking better as a team right now. I not putting a lot of stock in the US win. It is a milestone for our football because it's historical but it was essentially their young guns who are being bred for the future we beat. With that said however, a win is in fact a win and we moved 3 points closer to the hex under his guidance as manager. So while I am not a fan of his I have to give him credit for having us in position to compete for another WC appearance.
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I givin d credit 2 Latas and Yorke u feel dumbtst and chipmunk call back Spann doubt it very much. Me eh agree wit d recall but dem made dat call while he make d call 2 drop Avery
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Congrats to the coaching staff for a job well done.
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I givin d credit 2 Latas and Yorke u feel dumbtst and chipmunk call back Spann doubt it very much. Me eh agree wit d recall but dem made dat call while he make d call 2 drop Avery
So then yuh sayin Maturana is part of ah Puppet Regime then? Allyuh does confuse me bad oui. If man eh get call back or a subpar team (as we see it) plays is Mats do bullshit, but when (what appears to be ) de right men get call back and a good squad play is not he ent? Allyuh rell fulla shit in troot oui!!
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Is d pope catholic? So d subpar team wit Lawerence on d bench who do dat u eh hear players was not bein played because dey was disruptive etc who eh pick dem Mats eh have a clue. D man watch tapes and only c Whitley
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If had pick the best team from the start of the campaign the fans would have no problem with him... but he made things hard for himself...now we know he is just a puppet cuz he not picking the team... he just picking a formation and picking the starting xi(dangerous thing to give him)
He is ok at best and apparently the players dont like his methods saying he reminds them of bertille... he not fresh he not motivating the team and the players decided they hadda do it themselves and run the show...
I dont see why we just cant bring in a lively english speaking coach and provided we reach the hex give it a real go
instead of wasting money on "the dumbist" (copyright weary)
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Breds is eida yuh give him credit fuh all or none, doh cherry pick to attribute bullsit alone to de man an give de glory to others. Dat is pure grade A kakaholishness!!
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Breds is eida yuh give him credit fuh all or none, doh cherry pick to attribute bullsit alone to de man an give de glory to others. Dat is pure grade A kakaholishness!!
Ah like how these new posters seeing things and allyuh hardback ole posters cyar see what they talking bout.
They getting orn like TT ent suppose to try and develop new home spun players for the future and incidently this is the time for that and not the hex.
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so far our results have been better than the last campaign, so why men crying wolf, mats is not the man who mess with selection, its corneal, when will these guys understand that, big mag needs to tell them again
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How it betta we reach d hex yet
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so far our results have been better than the last campaign, so why men crying wolf, mats is not the man who mess with selection, its corneal, when will these guys understand that, big mag needs to tell them again
When it come to football it seem we SW supporters only kno how to panic. If de man give de yutes ah run, den he wrong to leave out de vets. But when de time reach dat de vets unable (whether injuries or age) cah make it an we young talent underdeveolped den what? Bet de same people go say he's ah imps fuh relyin on dem old players so much and not bringing along the youngsters! Cah friggin please dem people at all nah!!
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so far our results have been better than the last campaign, so why men crying wolf, mats is not the man who mess with selection, its corneal, when will these guys understand that, big mag needs to tell them again
When it come to football it seem we SW supporters only kno how to panic. If de man give de yutes ah run, den he wrong to leave out de vets. But when de time reach dat de vets unable (whether injuries or age) cah make it an we young talent underdeveloped den what? Bet de same people go say he's ah imps fuh relyin on dem old players so much and not bringing along the youngsters! Cah friggin please dem people at all nah!!
My complaint was that Jack dropped ALL the forren and did not include them for awhile
Jack has a great FIFA business brain...but for him to do that he knows SHIT ALL about chemistry within a team.
He should have kept the nucleus and added/Dropped players as need be. Just like how the USA operated last night.
but NOT a full blown BlackList...Oh Gaum man
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Me eh know what going on in training or in de dressing room, so me cyah judge him on dat. My only beef with Maturana was his selection policy. If you picking a shit squad, no matter how much instruction you give dem, you'll be putting out shit on de field. And that's what was pissing me off. As long we using our best available 22-30 players and we playing alright, me and Pacho cool.
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look like he learning the game better and better after every game played . He will become a great coach one day .
war
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After Wednesday- , All and sundry will be hailing him as the new King. He will be the new Bennie.
Hill?
ha,ha,ha!!!!! :rotfl:
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My complaint was that Jack dropped ALL the forren and did not include them for awhile
Jack has a great FIFA business brain...but for him to do that he knows SHIT ALL about chemistry within a team.
He should have kept the nucleus and added/Dropped players as need be. Just like how the USA operated last night.
but NOT a full blown BlackList...Oh Gaum man
I thought that whole blacklist thing was complete bullshit mihself too!
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The cream always rise to the top,Jack figured one that one late... :devil:
Tha coach has wining record and the want his head....... ???
You bring in a new coach now,you will be starting all over again,at this time I fail to see the wiseness in that logic,there are too many varables that we cannot address nor for see at this point,to be making that kind of change
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I could only compare Mats with who we had before and given the challenges he faced in the earlies. I look at how our players...same foreign based players...if yuh want to call them that was playing under Bertille and the difference in play under Beenie, and it was chalk and cheese. Everyone could have seen a remarkable improvement in the players and their approach to the game.
Mats started off with amatuers and played against lowly opponents and got justifiable results. MY opinion is that ANY coach given the team he had wouldve produced the same results. I still think so given the players he now has at his disposal. I doh think Corneal or Bertille or even Wim could have done worse with the team last night. I didn't see anything in their play that suggests that we are a world beating team better now that Maturana in charge. In the past he had lots of questionable player choices with no explanation, lost a game to Bermuda, but drew twice against Jamaica, substitution policies in games kinda inexplicable.... I think he still running on Beenie dregs...Beenie leave a lasting impression on the overseas players and anybody come next just lapping it up.
If you really want to test his mettle, then let's play top competition with out the foreign based and see how we fare.
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How it betta we reach d hex yet
Wha flava yuh drink dis mawnin weary? ;D ;D
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weary ent no hater she jus tells it as she sees it ;D ;D
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The Man just got his contract renewed for another year- November 2009
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I givin d credit 2 Latas and Yorke u feel dumbtst and chipmunk call back Spann doubt it very much. Me eh agree wit d recall but dem made dat call while he make d call 2 drop Avery
Imagine this LOL - when ah say is Dwight and Latas and the players that get us to the 06 WC ppl say is Beenie. All yuh not easy LOL
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Well, well let's see here. He beat the USA after so many years. BSC didn't do it, Gally fall short, beenie didn't come close, forget Wim, and he beat dem with de same players Beenie and Wim had at their disposal, and he do it after a few games with this squad :devil: :beermug: :rotfl: :rotfl:
you can't be serious
When de story is written there will be no footnote stating that it was dey so-called "B" team.
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If had pick the best team from the start of the campaign the fans would have no problem with him... but he made things hard for himself...now we know he is just a puppet cuz he not picking the team... he just picking a formation and picking the starting xi(dangerous thing to give him)
He is ok at best and apparently the players dont like his methods saying he reminds them of bertille... he not fresh he not motivating the team and the players decided they hadda do it themselves and run the show...
I dont see why we just cant bring in a lively english speaking coach and provided we reach the hex give it a real go
instead of wasting money on "the dumbist" (copyright weary)
Small, sometimes ah does feel yuh not correct in yuh head. You been on this site and paying attention to T&T football fuh too long to not know that is JW who run things. Yuh really believe that Anton doh know that we 06 players are superior, and that if we to have any chance to make it we need them players? Yuh really believe Pacho doh want to take we to SA?
JW didn't want the blacklisted players, but he too realized that we need them in order to move on. I am certain Anton and Pacho and Lincoln requested them, but Jack refused to spend on them. If JW say no they not playing. You and others only vex because Pacho, Lincoln, Anton, Groden, Camps and all football stakeholders in T&T including de fans are all puppets to JW. Even you is a puppet because yuh not regonizing that is JW why we didn't have most ah dem early.
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Me eh sayin dat LP and d chipmunk ask 4 anybody because I hear Lp talk one set ah tata after we lost d game v d US. Is just d might $ dat have d players back nutten but d almighty $