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Sports => Other Sports => Topic started by: WestCoast on October 13, 2008, 03:48:04 PM
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I feel Seahawks coach goin an lorse he wuk
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I feel Seahawks coach goin an lorse he wuk
Nah I really doubt that. Mike Holmgren is one of the most respected coaches in NFL history and many will tell you he's among the best. Even if Seattle decides that they don't want him anymore (I don't know why they wouldn't because he's not the problem), they will give him the respect of letting him choose to retire at the end of the season (already there was speculation this would be his last season).
Much, much more likely Marv Lewis is fired from Cincinatti.
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Im just a lil mad that my Giants lost on Monday, and I need Trinidad to "Ease my paaaaain".
I was watching the pre game show and everyone but ONE fella (Steve) said that the Giants were goin and win...and he has the best win/lose record so far this year.
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Small bump in the road. Historically the Giants always do bad following a bye week so no surprise there. Plus Plax play his first game in two weeks and the rust showed. Eli had one shit game to get out his system... may have a few more. I more mad that the Giants failed to take advantage of an opportunity to put some distance between dem and the rest of the NFC East. The Cowboys should struggle now that Romo out a month... Washington still have issues... but I think Philly is back on a come up.
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I'm a Pats fan so you know how I feel about the Giants. But Bakes is right - the loss was a small bump in the road. I still think the Giants are the best team in the NFL right now and it'll take more than one aberration to make me change my mind.
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holmgren already announced he was done with the job when his contract expires at the end of the season.
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holmgren already announced he was done with the job when his contract expires at the end of the season.
Seattle might as well tell him to go NOW....day playin real shit against Tampa Bay tonight 17-0 3rd
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allya see the #60 with Steelers walkin off the field then "crick crack" he knee give out on him?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlXRengzZoc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlXRengzZoc)
I really don't care about American football but I thought this ad was simply beautiful.
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allya see the #60 with Steelers walkin off the field then "crick crack" he knee give out on him?
That was just ridiculous... de man hurt he knee on ah special teams play and siddung on de field de whole commercial break, it was clear he was in distress. The Pittsburgh doctors and dem come and check him out, next thing yuh know they have him walking on he own power off de field. I dunno whey dem buy they medical licensed yes... with ah knee injury you always err on the side of caution, you don't let a player put weight on it. De man walking good good taking he time next thing yuh know he knee buckle sideways yes. I sure is something dat was sprain dat end up getting tear dey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlXRengzZoc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlXRengzZoc)
I really don't care about American football but I thought this ad was simply beautiful.
I was wondering whey yuh was doing in here, lol
Yeah dat ad is sweet... love de part whey dey's kids running arung. To top it off they meet on the field in de end.
Good win by de Giants btw... great win, Steelers is no joke.
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sound like ah western showdong.
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last nite game with de eagles and giants was off de hook.NY win 36-31.
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last nite game with de eagles and giants was off de hook.NY win 36-31.
We doing just about enough to win... but we need to play better. We have to learn to play mistake-free football or else better teams (and the rest of our schedule full of them) will make us pay for turning the ball over and not capitalizing on opportunities.
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anybody take in de jets patriots last nite?
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Attorneys: Vick expects return to NFLUpdated: November 13, 2008, 7:34 PM EST NORFOLK, Va. (AP) - Imprisoned NFL quarterback Michael Vick expects to return to pro football, according to his bankruptcy attorneys who laid out a plan to pay creditors based in part on his anticipated earnings.
"The Debtor has every reason to believe that upon his release, he will be reinstated into the NFL, resume his career and be able to earn a substantial living," Vick's attorneys wrote in a disclosure statement filed before a hearing Thursday in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Norfolk.
The former Atlanta Falcons star is serving a 23-month sentence in a federal penitentiary for bankrolling a dogfighting ring in rural Virginia and is scheduled to be released on July 20.
Once the NFL's highest-paid player, Vick has assets of $16 million and liabilities of $20.4 million, according to the court filing in which attorneys wrote in extraordinary detail about Vick's dizzying financial mess — listing a fleet of vehicles, properties, businesses and the extended family he supported.
A Vick attorney said a committee representing all his debtors has proposed a plan to pay off his debt. A judge scheduled a hearing for mid-December on the appointment of a trustee, which Vick's attorneys oppose.
"The committee attorney acknowledged that there's been a lot of progress, so we're hopeful," Peter R. Ginsberg told The Associated Press.
Vick still faces two state felony counts — dogfighting and animal cruelty. They carry maximum prison terms of 10 years, but under a plea deal, Vick would serve a suspended sentence and a year of probation.
He is scheduled to appear in Surry County Circuit Court on Nov. 25.
Paul K. Campsen, another Vick attorney in the bankruptcy proceeding, said he had not had any contact with the NFL, nor had Vick. While Vick still has a contract with the Falcons, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell would have the final say on his return, which he is counting on after he is released.
"That's the hope," Campsen said in an interview. "I think efforts will be made once we get past this."
The attorneys laid out a payment plan to Vick's creditors that includes expected NFL earnings and possible signing bonuses.
Campsen said the reorganization plan involves those expected payments and liquidation of his larger assets.
Ginsberg said if the sides can't agree in December, another hearing will be held in January. Vick was ordered to attend.
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anybody take in de jets patriots last nite?
yeah. good game. bad result. but at least there were some positives for the pats. with the amount of injuries we have i happy with positives
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Eagles, Bengals play to NFL's first tie since '02by Associated PressUpdated: November 16, 2008, 5:27 PM EST13 comments add this Given the way Donovan McNabb played, the Philadelphia Eagles were lucky to get the tie.
McNabb fumbled and threw three interceptions in regulation, and nearly had another pass picked off in overtime Sunday as the Eagles and Bengals played to a 13-13 tie, the NFL's first in six years.
Cincinnati's Shayne Graham missed a 47-yard field goal with 7 seconds left in overtime, falling to the ground as the ball sailed a few inches wide to the right. It was a fitting way to end a game played like the very definition of a tie. Despite all the shanked punts and trick plays, this one went nowhere.
It was the first tied game in the NFL since Nov. 10, 2002, when the Falcons and Steelers finished 34-34 with Michael Vick and Tommy Maddox matching each other pass for pass. In this one, the teams matched each other gaffe for gaffe.
The Eagles (5-4-1) have yet to win a close game this season, going 0-4 with a tie in games decided by less than a touchdown. McNabb had a big hand in this one, matching his career high with three interceptions and setting up 10 of Cincinnati's points.
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donovan was ah mess.
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Went to my first regular season NFL game today (went to a pre-season game ft. the Redskins v. Falcons in Vick's rookie season, but that doesn't count). Great experience... with the lovely s/o to my left and my best friend and his lady to my right... and a sea of Giant blue all around... I was in paradise. It was cold as Dante's hell... but the neighboring fans were warm and the Giants are hot... 9-1 and barring injuries or a meltdown (God-forbid) we'll be back in the playoffs and hopefully playing come February again.
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Went to my first regular season NFL game today (went to a pre-season game ft. the Redskins v. Falcons in Vick's rookie season, but that doesn't count). Great experience... with the lovely s/o to my left and my best friend and his lady to my right... and a sea of Giant blue all around... I was in paradise. It was cold as Dante's hell... but the neighboring fans were warm and the Giants are hot... 9-1 and barring injuries or a meltdown (God-forbid) we'll be back in the playoffs and hopefully playing come February again.
nice. i went to my first one a few weeks ago too. i noticed so many other things i didn't pick up on when watching tv. damn the giants look good. running against the ravens
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Went to my first regular season NFL game today (went to a pre-season game ft. the Redskins v. Falcons in Vick's rookie season, but that doesn't count). Great experience... with the lovely s/o to my left and my best friend and his lady to my right... and a sea of Giant blue all around... I was in paradise. It was cold as Dante's hell... but the neighboring fans were warm and the Giants are hot... 9-1 and barring injuries or a meltdown (God-forbid) we'll be back in the playoffs and hopefully playing come February again.
nice. i went to my first one a few weeks ago too. i noticed so many other things i didn't pick up on when watching tv. damn the giants look good. running against the ravens
Did you go see yuh boys? How was the game itself?
What struck me was how sparse the field look... all those close up shots makes the field seem more congested it really is. Same for the sidelines, there seemed to be a lot less people on both benches. The substitutions also seemed a bit less organized and crisp than they appear on TV, and very much like a HS or even college game. This is not to say that the subs were done in a disorganized way, but on TV you think it's this massive substitution and everybody runs on and off at the same time. The reality (of this game at least) was that it was a handful of guys at a time and sometimes guys didn't know they were supposed to come on/off.
Minor things like that... but a very nice experience, a must for any NFL fan.
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Went to my first regular season NFL game today (went to a pre-season game ft. the Redskins v. Falcons in Vick's rookie season, but that doesn't count). Great experience... with the lovely s/o to my left and my best friend and his lady to my right... and a sea of Giant blue all around... I was in paradise. It was cold as Dante's hell... but the neighboring fans were warm and the Giants are hot... 9-1 and barring injuries or a meltdown (God-forbid) we'll be back in the playoffs and hopefully playing come February again.
nice. i went to my first one a few weeks ago too. i noticed so many other things i didn't pick up on when watching tv. damn the giants look good. running against the ravens
Did you go see yuh boys? How was the game itself?
What struck me was how sparse the field look... all those close up shots makes the field seem more congested it really is. Same for the sidelines, there seemed to be a lot less people on both benches. The substitutions also seemed a bit less organized and crisp than they appear on TV, and very much like a HS or even college game. This is not to say that the subs were done in a disorganized way, but on TV you think it's this massive substitution and everybody runs on and off at the same time. The reality (of this game at least) was that it was a handful of guys at a time and sometimes guys didn't know they were supposed to come on/off.
Minor things like that... but a very nice experience, a must for any NFL fan.
Yeah I saw my Pats beat the Niners in candlestick.
yeah the running on and off of the subs was something i noticed too. the thing i really noticed was how the safeties moved around for different plays. like as soon as they diagnose a run they come flying in in run support or in pass coverage they have to hold position as late as possible so as not to tip off the qb. on tv them is things i does take for granted.
then i saw the niners eagles game the next week. then i went to texas and saw the longhorns play a game too so my football education continuing.
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Wha'ppen somebody giving away 49rs tix or what? Yuh can't pay people to watch dem play :rotfl:
The shifting of the 'D' is always something I pay attention to b/c the Giants have always prided themselves on defense... so I get spoil from early to watch for that.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/nd0ToNwccl4&feature=related
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Favre, Jets end Titans' perfect seasonUpdated: November 23, 2008, 4:18 PM EST Tenn. (AP) - The Tennessee Titans are unbeaten no more. Brett Favre and the New York Jets served notice they will be a factor in the AFC this season.
Favre threw two touchdown passes, Leon Washington ran for two scores and the Jets routed the Titans 34-13 on Sunday, snapping the 13-game regular-season winning streak by the NFL's last undefeated team.
The Jets (8-3) came in atop the AFC East after a victory over New England at Foxborough. They have won five straight for the first time since October 2004 and seven of their last eight. The win also pulled them within two of Tennessee (10-1) with five to play in the race for home-field advantage through the playoffs.
The Titans hadn't lost since Dec. 16, 2007, in becoming only the 11th team since 1970 to win its first 10 games.
This time, the NFL's stingiest scoring defense that had been allowing 13.1 points per game had no answer for Favre and the Jets, even with the return of defensive end Kyle Vanden Bosch.
The Jets spread out Tennessee, Favre threw fast and often, and they wore the Titans' defense down by keeping it on the field for more than 40 minutes. New York overcame two turnovers and two sacks in the first half by outgaining Tennessee on offense 409-281.
This was only the third game in NFL history featuring two starting quarterbacks with more than 100,000 yards combined yards passing in Favre and Kerry Collins.
Favre threw for 224 yards and had much more help than Collins, whose receivers dropped at least five passes in the first half, including one by Bo Scaife in Jets' territory with room to run. Favre took advantage of a Titans' secondary featuring Chris Carr starting at cornerback in place of Nick Harper, and he was flagged twice on one drive for pass interference.
With the win, Favre broke a tie with Dan Marino for victories in the most NFL stadiums by winning in his 32nd at LP Field.
Washington scored on runs of 61 and 4 yards in the fourth quarter as the Jets padded their lead. Jay Feely also kicked two field goals.
The Jets led 10-3 at halftime and could have had an even bigger margin if not for two turnovers - the first at the Tennessee 21 at the end of the first quarter. Favre could not have started hotter as he completed his first eight passes for 89 yards, the sixth a 10-yard TD pass to Thomas Jones on the opening drive.
The Titans went three-and-out on three of their first five drives and had only 55 yards offense until a final drive just before halftime when Rob Bironas finally put Tennessee on the scoreboard with a 43-yard field goal. Bironas added a 49-yarder in the fourth quarter.
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Titans lost to de original NFL 'Titans'... and the Giants laying de lumber on Arizona. Good week in the fantasy league too... life is good.
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Giants' Burress accidentally shoots self in legby Jay Glazer
Jay Glazer is a Senior NFL Writer for FOXSports.com on MSN and also appears every week on FOX NFL Sunday as the network's NFL Insider.
Plaxico Burress' controversial year has just taken a turn for the worse.
The New York Giants wide receiver accidentally shot himself in the right thigh on Friday night, FOXSports.com has learned, not long after being ruled out of Sunday's game against the Redskins with a hamstring injury.
Burress' bad year Plaxico Burress' troubled season hit a sad low Saturday, when Jay Glazer reported the Giants wide receiver accidentally shot himself in the leg. Here's a look at some notable events in his tumultuous 2008. Timeline
He spent the night in the hospital and the injuries are not believed to be life-threatening. The team is still trying to gather further information on the incident. Several media reports Saturday indicated the shooting took place in a nightclub.
"Our primary concern is for Plaxico's health and well-being, and given the circumstances, we are relieved to say he was released from a New York City hospital," the team said in a statement.
The Giants have discussed the matter with NFL security and are attempting to gather more details.
"This incident could become a matter for law enforcement officials, and because of that we have no comment on any of the details," the team said.
Added NFL spokesman Joe Browne: "We are gathering information, just like everyone else."
This has been a troubled year for Burress, who opened the season with a lengthy contract dispute. The 31-year-old was also suspended for a game and fined $117,500 for missing a team meeting and failing to notify the team of his absence. He said he had a family emergency.
He also was fined $45,000 by the NFL for his conduct during a game against 49ers in October when he abused an official and tossed a ball into the stands.
The Giants are atop the NFC standings with a 10-1 record and are vying for their seventh straight win Sunday when they face Washington.
Burress initially pulled his injured hamstring in the Giants' win over Baltimore on Nov. 16. He then aggravated the injury in the opening series last Sunday against Arizona, and then sat out the rest of that game.
Hixon, who is dealing with an ankle injury, will start in Burress' place Sunday.
Burress caught the winning pass in the Giants' Super Bowl win over the New England Patriots. He signed a five-year, $35 million contract hours before the season opened in September.
The signing came after an unsettling offseason during which Burress was fined $25,000 for refusing to practice during a mandatory minicamp in June. He also missed most of training camp at the University at Albany with a sprained ankle. He insisted the injury — not his contract — kept him off the field.
Despite his lack of practice, Burress started in the opener against Washington and caught 10 passes for 133 yards. The following week, he had five catches for 81 yards and a touchdown in a win over St. Louis.
The rest of the season has not been as productive. The most passes he has caught in any game since is four in a loss to Cleveland on Oct. 13, the game which followed his suspension.
Burress has 35 catches for 454 yards and four touchdowns in a season in which he has constantly drawn double coverage. His streak of receptions in 115 consecutive games ended last week in Arizona. He aggravated his hamstring injury during the first series and did not return.
It was the sixth-longest active streak in the league, dating to Nov. 26, 2000 against Cincinnati, Burress' rookie season in Pittsburgh.
Signed as a free agent in 2005, Burress had caught a pass in all 56 previous games in which he had played for the Giants.
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plaxico season done and bloomberg done say he looking to lock him up for as long as possible.
I understand that dem men does be targeted but he really move like a damn fool. at least go about the thing properly and get the right instruction. you carrying a loaded gun in a nightclub with the safety off. shooting yourself in the leg is one of the more fortunate ways for the situation to play out.
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plaxico season done and bloomberg done say he looking to lock him up for as long as possible.
I understand that dem men does be targeted but he really move like a damn fool. at least go about the thing properly and get the right instruction. you carrying a loaded gun in a nightclub with the safety off. shooting yourself in the leg is one of the more fortunate ways for the situation to play out.
Facts not quite as yuh state them from what I hear... he went to the club with the gun and was escorted inside to hand it over. In the process of surrendering it he discharged it. I fault him for having an unlicensed handgun and for not handling it properly...
Unlike many, I personally ent questioning why he need to be walking arung with it. Just last week his team mate Steve Smith was robbed at gunpoint by the driver hired to take him home. So I fully understand why dem men and dem would be strapped. Best believe I was walking with it whenever I step foot outside mih gates.
As fuh Bloomberg... he's a fukkin ass. All he doing is jeopardizing de case by making it hard for Plax to get a fair trial, and by putting unnecessary pressure on the prosecution at the same time. Prosecution run and charge him under a statute that carries a minimum sentence of 3 1/2 yrs... but which charges him with carrying the firearm with intent to use on another (that's the legal presumption). This means that the burden is on the defense to show that there was no intent to use the firearm on someone else. Given the particular facts in this case and how everything went down he stands a good chance of proving that he didn't intend to use the weapon on anyone in particular (unless prosecution can show that there was a target on which he intended to use the gun at the Latin Quarter).
Should he successfully show that he didn't intend to use the weapon on any one particular person then the prosecution's case falls apart. It thus seems more likely that they will reduce the charge to simple possession (minus the whole intent to use on another bit), which likely will result in probation, given that he's a first offender. Some 80% of defendants charged under this new law (in effect since 2006) have had their charges reduced... so this seems the likely route, although the publicity surrounding the case may cause the prosecution to hesitate (not wanting to be accused of favoritism).
Bloomberg definitely not helping... but that's what happens when politicians insist on inserting themselves into the mix for political gain.
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plaxico season done and bloomberg done say he looking to lock him up for as long as possible.
I understand that dem men does be targeted but he really move like a damn fool. at least go about the thing properly and get the right instruction. you carrying a loaded gun in a nightclub with the safety off. shooting yourself in the leg is one of the more fortunate ways for the situation to play out.
Facts not quite as yuh state them from what I hear... he went to the club with the gun and was escorted inside to hand it over. In the process of surrendering it he discharged it. I fault him for having an unlicensed handgun and for not handling it properly...
Unlike many, I personally ent questioning why he need to be walking arung with it. Just last week his team mate Steve Smith was robbed at gunpoint by the driver hired to take him home. So I fully understand why dem men and dem would be strapped. Best believe I was walking with it whenever I step foot outside mih gates.
As fuh Bloomberg... he's a f**kkin ass. All he doing is jeopardizing de case by making it hard for Plax to get a fair trial, and by putting unnecessary pressure on the prosecution at the same time. Prosecution run and charge him under a statute that carries a minimum sentence of 3 1/2 yrs... but which charges him with carrying the firearm with intent to use on another (that's the legal presumption). This means that the burden is on the defense to show that there was no intent to use the firearm on someone else. Given the particular facts in this case and how everything went down he stands a good chance of proving that he didn't intend to use the weapon on anyone in particular (unless prosecution can show that there was a target on which he intended to use the gun at the Latin Quarter).
Should he successfully show that he didn't intend to use the weapon on any one particular person then the prosecution's case falls apart. It thus seems more likely that they will reduce the charge to simple possession (minus the whole intent to use on another bit), which likely will result in probation, given that he's a first offender. Some 80% of defendants charged under this new law (in effect since 2006) have had their charges reduced... so this seems the likely route, although the publicity surrounding the case may cause the prosecution to hesitate (not wanting to be accused of favoritism).
Bloomberg definitely not helping... but that's what happens when politicians insist on inserting themselves into the mix for political gain.
bakes, you seem to be hearing stuff - did you hear anything about how antonio pierce was involved? was he just there with plax? did he help the reported 'cover-up' of the incident? i havent heard a lot so i was jus wondering...
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Went to my first regular season NFL game today (went to a pre-season game ft. the Redskins v. Falcons in Vick's rookie season, but that doesn't count). Great experience... with the lovely s/o to my left and my best friend and his lady to my right... and a sea of Giant blue all around... I was in paradise. It was cold as Dante's hell... but the neighboring fans were warm and the Giants are hot... 9-1 and barring injuries or a meltdown (God-forbid) we'll be back in the playoffs and hopefully playing come February again.
nice. i went to my first one a few weeks ago too. i noticed so many other things i didn't pick up on when watching tv. damn the giants look good. running against the ravens
Did you go see yuh boys? How was the game itself?
What struck me was how sparse the field look... all those close up shots makes the field seem more congested it really is. Same for the sidelines, there seemed to be a lot less people on both benches. The substitutions also seemed a bit less organized and crisp than they appear on TV, and very much like a HS or even college game. This is not to say that the subs were done in a disorganized way, but on TV you think it's this massive substitution and everybody runs on and off at the same time. The reality (of this game at least) was that it was a handful of guys at a time and sometimes guys didn't know they were supposed to come on/off.
Minor things like that... but a very nice experience, a must for any NFL fan.
Not too sure how familar you are with Football in general but the reason why the subsitutions seem so disorganized is because its just that. a defense puts on players based on what formation / package the offense has on the field, so in essence the defense has to wait and see who is coming in / out before they make a decsion on who they will be putting on. Thats why you hear the term "nickle d / Dime D, 3-4, 4-4". On Offense, you will see this same type of "disorganized" subsitutions because the offensive coordinator has to make a play call and based on that call, the players needed will come on / off. The O coordinator sometimes takes too long to make a call and that is why you will see players coming on with less then 10-15 seconds however they can not break the huddle until the necessary players have come on / off or they will get charged with an illeagal subsitution. Maybe you knew this but I decided to put in my two cents. I agree with the sparse sidline comment, on TV the sidlines look packed but in theory its only 53 players, coaches and trainers.
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plaxico season done and bloomberg done say he looking to lock him up for as long as possible.
I understand that dem men does be targeted but he really move like a damn fool. at least go about the thing properly and get the right instruction. you carrying a loaded gun in a nightclub with the safety off. shooting yourself in the leg is one of the more fortunate ways for the situation to play out.
Facts not quite as yuh state them from what I hear... he went to the club with the gun and was escorted inside to hand it over. In the process of surrendering it he discharged it. I fault him for having an unlicensed handgun and for not handling it properly...
Unlike many, I personally ent questioning why he need to be walking arung with it. Just last week his team mate Steve Smith was robbed at gunpoint by the driver hired to take him home. So I fully understand why dem men and dem would be strapped. Best believe I was walking with it whenever I step foot outside mih gates.
As fuh Bloomberg... he's a f**kkin ass. All he doing is jeopardizing de case by making it hard for Plax to get a fair trial, and by putting unnecessary pressure on the prosecution at the same time. Prosecution run and charge him under a statute that carries a minimum sentence of 3 1/2 yrs... but which charges him with carrying the firearm with intent to use on another (that's the legal presumption). This means that the burden is on the defense to show that there was no intent to use the firearm on someone else. Given the particular facts in this case and how everything went down he stands a good chance of proving that he didn't intend to use the weapon on anyone in particular (unless prosecution can show that there was a target on which he intended to use the gun at the Latin Quarter).
Should he successfully show that he didn't intend to use the weapon on any one particular person then the prosecution's case falls apart. It thus seems more likely that they will reduce the charge to simple possession (minus the whole intent to use on another bit), which likely will result in probation, given that he's a first offender. Some 80% of defendants charged under this new law (in effect since 2006) have had their charges reduced... so this seems the likely route, although the publicity surrounding the case may cause the prosecution to hesitate (not wanting to be accused of favoritism).
Bloomberg definitely not helping... but that's what happens when politicians insist on inserting themselves into the mix for political gain.
You have an article on the Smith getting robbed at gunpoint story?...I heard about it but didnt hear nothing concrete like you saying.
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plaxico season done and bloomberg done say he looking to lock him up for as long as possible.
I understand that dem men does be targeted but he really move like a damn fool. at least go about the thing properly and get the right instruction. you carrying a loaded gun in a nightclub with the safety off. shooting yourself in the leg is one of the more fortunate ways for the situation to play out.
Facts not quite as yuh state them from what I hear... he went to the club with the gun and was escorted inside to hand it over. In the process of surrendering it he discharged it. I fault him for having an unlicensed handgun and for not handling it properly...
Unlike many, I personally ent questioning why he need to be walking arung with it. Just last week his team mate Steve Smith was robbed at gunpoint by the driver hired to take him home. So I fully understand why dem men and dem would be strapped. Best believe I was walking with it whenever I step foot outside mih gates.
As fuh Bloomberg... he's a f**kkin ass. All he doing is jeopardizing de case by making it hard for Plax to get a fair trial, and by putting unnecessary pressure on the prosecution at the same time. Prosecution run and charge him under a statute that carries a minimum sentence of 3 1/2 yrs... but which charges him with carrying the firearm with intent to use on another (that's the legal presumption). This means that the burden is on the defense to show that there was no intent to use the firearm on someone else. Given the particular facts in this case and how everything went down he stands a good chance of proving that he didn't intend to use the weapon on anyone in particular (unless prosecution can show that there was a target on which he intended to use the gun at the Latin Quarter).
Should he successfully show that he didn't intend to use the weapon on any one particular person then the prosecution's case falls apart. It thus seems more likely that they will reduce the charge to simple possession (minus the whole intent to use on another bit), which likely will result in probation, given that he's a first offender. Some 80% of defendants charged under this new law (in effect since 2006) have had their charges reduced... so this seems the likely route, although the publicity surrounding the case may cause the prosecution to hesitate (not wanting to be accused of favoritism).
Bloomberg definitely not helping... but that's what happens when politicians insist on inserting themselves into the mix for political gain.
You have an article on the Smith getting robbed at gunpoint story?...I heard about it but didnt hear nothing concrete like you saying.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3739206
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bakes, you seem to be hearing stuff - did you hear anything about how antonio pierce was involved? was he just there with plax? did he help the reported 'cover-up' of the incident? i havent heard a lot so i was jus wondering...
Haven't heard too much about Pierce's role to be honest... which is why I think the whole thing is overplayed. Supposedly he helped hide the gun after Plax got shot... but 'hide' it from whom? The cops weren't involved until days later and when they needed to find the gun it was at Plax' home. There's a lot thrashing in the bushes and sabre rattling taking place in the press right now. Typical NYPD bluster.
Pierce had no duty to turn the gun in... they may try and come after him with an accessory after the fact charge but if he has a good attorney he should be able to defeat that by claiming that for all he knew the gun was registered. The weapon wasn't used on someone else so what crime other than the unregistered gun rap could they tie him too?
Part of the reason I have so much contempt for the NYPD.... and to a lesser extent the DA's office, there's a history chest thumping in that unit, not all of it is substantive.
Not too sure how familar you are with Football in general but the reason why the subsitutions seem so disorganized is because its just that. a defense puts on players based on what formation / package the offense has on the field, so in essence the defense has to wait and see who is coming in / out before they make a decsion on who they will be putting on. Thats why you hear the term "nickle d / Dime D, 3-4, 4-4". On Offense, you will see this same type of "disorganized" subsitutions because the offensive coordinator has to make a play call and based on that call, the players needed will come on / off. The O coordinator sometimes takes too long to make a call and that is why you will see players coming on with less then 10-15 seconds however they can not break the huddle until the necessary players have come on / off or they will get charged with an illeagal subsitution. Maybe you knew this but I decided to put in my two cents. I agree with the sparse sidline comment, on TV the sidlines look packed but in theory its only 53 players, coaches and trainers.
Nah I'm pretty familiar with football... I actually think everything you describe points to how organized substitutions are, they're very situational and coordinated. What I was getting at is that it seems a lot more polished on TV, whereas in the actual game you get the sense that there's quite a bit of organized chaos taking place.
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Sinned beat me to posting the article for you.. but the reason you didn't see anything about it before is b/c it wasn't reported until Plax' incident came out.
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well if that is the story I'd agree it's being misrepresented in the media.
I up to speed with the fact that NFL players and athletes are increasingly targeted but the fact that the gun discharged while he was turning it over means that he didn't go about things the right way. we'll see how the legal situation plays out.
imagine if 2 years ago someone had said that the giants of december 08 had no Tiki Barber, Jeremy Shockey, Plaxico Burress, Michael Strahan or Osi Umenyiora on the roster but they'd be the super bowl favourites.
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well the hospital doctor who treated plax got suspended "for failing to alert police and signing off on medical papers identifying him by a phony name":
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8885880/Hospital-doctor-in-Burress-incident-suspended
Seems like there was/is some legal obligation to alert police about plax's gunshot wound.
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well the hospital doctor who treated plax got suspended "for failing to alert police and signing off on medical papers identifying him by a phony name":
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8885880/Hospital-doctor-in-Burress-incident-suspended
Seems like there was/is some legal obligation to alert police about plax's gunshot wound.
Hospitals (in most jurisdictions) have a legal duty to report gunshot victims to the police... imagine if a bad guy caught a bullet from a cop or would-be victim and was trying to hide out? So, yeah.. there's a public policy purpose to hospitals reporting.
Private citizens like Pierce have no such duty... nor do the NY Giants organization, which is why I find the bluster of Bloomberg and the NYPD so laughable.
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daryn I agree with you... the fact that there's been such roster turnover in the past two yrs and we're doing so well is a testament to the job that Jerry Reese has done.
His is a pretty interesting story if you ever get a chance to check it out, from nondescript player at UT-Martin to graduate assistant, to low-level scout... eventually working his way up the chain in the Giants scouting department to where he is now. Other than the three SuperBowls, my proudest day as Giants fan was when he was promoted to GM... one of only three black GMs (technically 4) in the league currently.
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Mannings are first QB brothers to make Pro BowlUpdated: December 16, 2008, 5:25 PM NEW YORK (AP) - Peyton and Eli Manning have been voted to the Pro Bowl, the first time two quarterback-playing brothers have played in the same game.
Photos Peyton Manning of the Indianapolis Colts will play for the AFC, and his brother Eli of the New York Giants will play for the NFC. It will be Peyton Manning's ninth appearance in 11 seasons in the NFL's all-star game; Eli, the MVP in last season's Super Bowl, will be competing in his first.
Also on the NFC team: two Giants with a combined age of 86: the 44-year-old kicker John Carney and 42-year-old punter Jeff Feagles. Carney made the Pro Bowl with San Diego in 1994 and Feagles with Arizona in 1995.
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Finally Eli starting to get his due.... now if only we can halt our two-game slide against Carolina this weekend.
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I like Eli but I'm a little surprised he was put in ahead of Romo. Romo has better numbers across the board as a QB and it could be argued he's more valuable to the Cowboys than Eli to the giants
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I like Eli but I'm a little surprised he was put in ahead of Romo. Romo has better numbers across the board as a QB and it could be argued he's more valuable to the Cowboys than Eli to the giants
dallas eh beat giants twice fuh de year ahready?
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I like Eli but I'm a little surprised he was put in ahead of Romo. Romo has better numbers across the board as a QB and it could be argued he's more valuable to the Cowboys than Eli to the giants
dallas eh beat giants twice fuh de year ahready?
Nah. 1 win 1 loss but Romo didn't play in the first game against the giants
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Giants edge Panthers in OT to claim top seedUpdated: December 22, 2008, 1:05 AM EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) - The NFC road to the Super Bowl will run through the Meadowlands because the New York Giants did what they had to do against frigid, swirling wind — run the ball.
Derrick Ward ran for career-best 215 yards and set up Brandon Jacobs' winning 2-yard touchdown run with 9:57 left in overtime and the Super Bowl champion Giants re-established themselves as the team to beat by earning the NFC's top seed for the postseason with a thrilling 34-28 comeback victory over the Carolina Panthers on Sunday night.
"It's great for our fans to be able to play here at Giants Stadium," quarterback Eli Manning said after the Giants (12-3) snapped a two-game losing streak by rushing for a season-high 301 yards. "You never know what the weather is going to be like here. We're used to playing in those cold and windy games and I would like to think we would have the advantage in some of those. I think it will be fun playing the games at home."
The fans who braved the numbing wind chill has plenty of fun watching this one. They tossed snowballs onto the field earlier and threw it like confetti when Jacobs won the game.
"The last two weeks we've been disgraceful running the ball," said Ward, whose total was the fourth highest in Giants' history. "We've had our doubters, that we hit our peak in the past. We knew that we could run the ball. That's what the New York Giants are. We run the ball."
New York had clinched a first-round bye earlier in the day when Atlanta beat Minnesota, then added the icing on this frosty night by beating Carolina (11-4) in the winner-take-all game for the NFC's top seed.
"The only message we sent tonight is that team is getting that swagger back that we had last year at the end of the season," middle linebacker Antonio Pierce said. "They're going to fight for 60 minutes, overtime, cold weather, being down. To keep fighting, that's what I'm most proud of."
New York forced the overtime when Jacobs plowed into the end zone from a yard out, and Manning hit Domenik Hixon on a slant pattern for the tying 2-point conversion with 3:21 to play.
Jacobs, who was sidelined in last week's loss to Dallas with a knee injury, finished with three short touchdown runs, and Manning and Kevin Boss combined on a 4-yard touchdown pass as the Giants showed that the cold and wind was to their liking.
The loss spoiled a record-tying, four-touchdown performance by Panthers running back DeAngelo Williams, who gave Carolina a 28-20 lead with a 30-yard TD run 2 minutes into the final quarter. He also scored on runs of 13, 5 and 1 yards.
The Panthers, who have qualified for the playoffs, can clinch the NFC South and the No. 2 seed with a win at New Orleans next weekend.
"Disappointing would be putting it mildly," Panthers quarterback Jake Delhomme said. "The road to the Super Bowl goes through New York. We had a chance. We didn't get it done. We've got to back to work and get ready for New Orleans."
The Panthers had a chance to win the game in regulation but the swirling wind at Giants Stadium pushed John Kasey's 50-yard field-goal attempt wide left, sparking some more celebratory snow throwing by Giants fans.
The Giants won the coin toss in the overtime and couldn't generate anything, and the Panthers followed suit on their possession.
New York nearly lost the ball before its winning drive when R.W. McQuarters muffed a punt at the Giants 13. He emerged from a pile with the ball and then Ward took over.
On first-and-10 from the 13, Ward went 51 yards to Carolina 36. Three plays later on third-and-7, he went 14 yards to the 19 and followed that with a 17-yarder to the 2. Jacobs scored on the next play.
Until the late heroics, Williams and the Panthers seemingly had overcame the non-Carolina elements and landed the homefield advantage, which was important since the Panthers were 8-0 at home.
"Give them credit," Delhomme said. "They battled back and made the plays they had to. They beat us. That's why this game is so much fun. One is excited. The other is totally devastated. That would be us."
New York finished 7-1 at home. The last time they were the No. 1 seed was the 2000 season and they went to the Super Bowl, losing to the Baltimore Ravens.
The Panthers scored touchdowns the first three times they had the ball with Williams tallying from 13, 5 and 1 yard in leading Carolina to a 21-10 lead. The last touchdown came a play after a Tom Coughlin challenge left Steve Smith a half-yard shy on a play that originally was ruled a TD.
Carolina had eight plays of 10 yards or more on the drives of 77, 66 and 65 yards, with five going for more than 15 yards. The biggest play was a 60-yard pass from Delhomme to Muhsin Muhammad on a pass that went right through the hands of Giants cornerback Aaron Ross.
The Giants' defense limited Carolina to seven second-half points.
John Carney got New York to with 21-13 with a 35-yard field goal late in the half, and New York closed to within 21-20 when Manning found a wide-open Boss for a 4-yard touchdown pass with 59 seconds to go in third quarter.
It capped a 12-play, 84-yard marched that took more than eight minutes.
Carolina came right and restored the eight-point lead when Williams, who gained 108 yards on 24 carries, broke a tackle by Pierce and scampered 30 yards for a touchdown.
The Giants' tying touchdown was set up by great coffin-corner punt by Jeff Feagles, a 12-yard pass from Manning to Boss and a pass-interference call in the end zone against Ken Lucas, one play later.
Jacobs scored on the next play.
Notes
Williams now has scored a Panthers' single-season record 20 touchdowns. ... Giants CB Aaron Ross left the game in the second half with a concussion. ... Panthers HB Jonathan Stewart sustained a head injury in the first half but returned. Kasay's miss was only his second in 26 attempts this season.
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Still dem fackers ent giving we we due... Peter King (Sports Illustrated) still rating Tennessee and Pittsburgh ahead of us... but not matter, de cutass tour continues.
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surprise, surprise ... Brett Farvruh uncertain about his future.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/12/24/bc.fbn.jets.favre.sfare.ap/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/12/24/bc.fbn.jets.favre.sfare.ap/index.html)
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surprise, surprise ... Brett Farvruh uncertain about his future.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/12/24/bc.fbn.jets.favre.sfare.ap/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/12/24/bc.fbn.jets.favre.sfare.ap/index.html)
One of the better stories of the year has been the collapse of the Jets. I have no absolutely respect for that organization since their shabby jettisoning of Pennington in favor of the Starlet of the Month, Favre.
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Lions finish 0-16.
I really wanted dem men to win one before the end of the season. new day tomorrow.
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Dolphins beat the Jets 24-17 to win the AFC East with a 11-5 record after finishing 1-15 last year. Ravens up next in the first round I believe.
Pats miss the playoffs.
Brett Farvruh, throws 3 interceptions to cap a dramatic season.
Eagles make the playoffs oui. beat the cowboys 44-6 this week and travel to MN for the first round.
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Iggles are a dangerous team... peaking at the right time. Happy for Donovan... thrilled. Looking forward to kicking their ass if they advance. I imagine they'll handle Minny w/o any problems. Giants had that game won with the backups, but Carney just didn't hit the FG at the end.
Dallas... good riddance
NYJ... ha ha fackers. S-K-E-T-S Skets! Skets! Skets!
Pats... QQQQ aka 4Q
Tampa... fack dem, can't stand Gruden. Ent do shit since winning the SB with Dungy's team.
Bears didn't want it hard enough... didn't deserve it.
Detroit... this is a team I've always rooted for, going back to the Barry Sanders, Rodney Peete/Andre Ware, Herman Moore days. But man they stink.
The Colts were the Indianhapless Colts... Bengals were the Bungles... I guess is time to come up with a parody name for the Bears now.
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Lions finish 0-16.
I really wanted dem men to win one before the end of the season. new day tomorrow.
BOY!!!...I bet some men at work $20 dey woulda ONE game for sure....dem men coudnt even win ONE game dred?
ah decade later and the team WORSE :D
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Iggles are a dangerous team... peaking at the right time. Happy for Donovan... thrilled. Looking forward to kicking their ass if they advance. I imagine they'll handle Minny w/o any problems. Giants had that game won with the backups, but Carney just didn't hit the FG at the end.
nah we was in control all de time..dat is how we coach does think ::)
YES!! - We in de Playoffs!!!
but anyway..We going all de way with Adrian Petersen :whip:
before ah start getting boof, I admit i is ah waggonist :D
doh even ask meh what number he does wear ;D
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Iggles are a dangerous team... peaking at the right time. Happy for Donovan... thrilled. Looking forward to kicking their ass if they advance. I imagine they'll handle Minny w/o any problems. Giants had that game won with the backups, but Carney just didn't hit the FG at the end.
nah we was in control all de time..dat is how we coach does think ::)
YES!! - We in de Playoffs!!!
but anyway..We going all de way with Adrian Petersen :whip:
before ah start getting boof, I admit i is ah waggonist :D
doh even ask meh what number he does wear ;D
Lol.. doh study it... AP is de trute :beermug:
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jets out,ah guess penninton get de last laugh.
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Marinelli fired after 0-16 seasonby Jay Glazer
FOXSports.com has learned that Lions coach Rod Marinelli has been informed that he has been fired. The move does not come as a surprise after going 0-16.
The team will now look at other options. Hot names include Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, Atlanta offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey, Patriots OC Josh McDaniels, Ravens DC Rex Ryan, Titans DC Jim Schwartz, Cardinals DC Todd Haley and Minnesota DC Leslie Frazier.
Despite going 0-16, Marinelli kept the Lions together and in recent weeks was applauded by fellow head coaches for not having anybody in the locker room, on or off the record, blast the coaching staff or the organization.
The Lions are also searching for a complement to the front office. Believe it or not, Detroit is viewed in league circles as a prime job. They have the first pick in the draft as well as Dallas' first-rounder from the Roy Williams trade, a city starving for any wins and an owner who never meddles.
The Lions issued a news release announcing the firing, with team owner William Clay Ford promoting Tom Lewand to team president and Martin Mayhew to general manager.
The team planned to open their locker room to the media Monday morning. Marinelli was to be available for comment at a news conference.
The Lions completed their winless season with a loss to Green Bay on Sunday, pushing aside Tampa Bay's 1976 season of 0-14 as the league's worst.
Ford also did not retain defensive coordinator Joe Barry, who is Marinelli's son-in-law, assistant offensive line coach Mike Barry, his son-in-law's dad, and secondary coach Jimmy Lake.
Defensive line coach Joe Cullen's contract was not renewed and offensive coordinator Jim Colletto was demoted to offensive line coach.
Marinelli won only one of his last 24 games and was 10-38 in three years after former team president Matt Millen gave the former Buccaneers assistant his first head coaching job.
Millen was fired as team president three months ago, but the players he left behind coupled with the former Tampa Bay players Marinelli wanted created the perfect storm for a historic season of futility.
Marinelli was the third coach Millen hired - following Steve Mariucci and Marty Mornhinweg - in what has been the NFL's worst eight-season stretch since World War II.
Fans and reporters cut Marinelli some slack during in his first year, when he went 3-13, because of the Millen-created mess he inherited. Hopes rose when Detroit was 6-2 midway through last year but were quickly dashed when the team finished 7-9.
The Lions fired offensive coordinator Mike Martz after the 2007 season but retained Marinelli's son-in-law to lead the defense.
That led to more scrutiny and exchange with a columnist that made Marinelli a martyr of sorts.
Detroit News columnist Rob Parker asked Marinelli if he wished his daughter married a better defensive coordinator after a 42-7 loss to New Orleans.
Marinelli didn't answer the question during his news conference, but lashed out the next day with anger he hid after his string of losses.
"Anytime you attack my daughter, I've got a problem with that," Marinelli bristled.
The Vietnam veteran said he would never quit, saying he was insulted when a reporter asked about the option.
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mangini gone too.
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Iggles are a dangerous team... peaking at the right time. Happy for Donovan... thrilled. Looking forward to kicking their ass if they advance. I imagine they'll handle Minny w/o any problems. Giants had that game won with the backups, but Carney just didn't hit the FG at the end.
nah we was in control all de time..dat is how we coach does think ::)
YES!! - We in de Playoffs!!!
but anyway..We going all de way with Adrian Petersen :whip:
before ah start getting boof, I admit i is ah waggonist :D
doh even ask meh what number he does wear ;D
AP is ah boss but he needs to stop fumbling the ball, like he does soak his hand in blue band margarine before the game.
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Mike Shanahan out at Denver... wow!
I bet he's now at the top of Jerry Jones' post-Christmas wish list.
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Falcons' Ryan wins top offensive rookie honorUpdated: December 30, 2008, 4:39 PM NEW YORK (AP) - Matt Ryan found a quick way to make Falcons fans forget Michael Vick, Bobby Petrino and all the ugliness of Atlanta football.
Rising Rookie
Matt Ryan
Atlanta Falcons
Quarterback
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G Comp. Att. Yds. TD INT
16 265 434 3440 16 11
The quarterback led a sensational turnaround from laughingstock franchise to Super Bowl contender, for which Ryan earned The Associated Press 2008 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year award Tuesday.
And he did it in a year loaded with outstanding offensive rookie performances.
"I'm certainly flattered," Ryan said. "There's a number of guys who had great rookie seasons this year, so to even be mentioned in that light is nice. It's certainly a great honor, and I think it speaks to what we did as a team this year."
What the Falcons did was go 11-5 and make the playoffs after a dismal 2007 that saw Vick incarcerated for dogfighting and Petrino leave after 13 games to go coach Arkansas. Ryan was chosen third overall out of Boston College to be the cornerstone of Atlanta's rebuilding.
The Falcons can take pride in the foundation he has laid.
"The season seems like a blur, without question," Ryan said. "It seems like it's gone by so fast. I just really tried to take in stride and not get caught up in all the things that happened this year.
"I think that's the biggest thing. We had success and we were able to get a wild-card spot, so that was the huge thing for us this year. Now that we're in we have a chance like everybody else. Hopefully we can make the most of it."
Few quarterbacks make so much out of their first NFL seasons. Since 1957, when the award was first given, only three quarterbacks have won it, all recently: Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger in 2004, Tennessee's Vince Young in 2006, and Ryan.
Ryan was a landslide winner in balloting by a nationwide panel of 50 sports writers and broadcasters who cover the league. He collected 44 votes, far in front of Titans running back Chris Johnson with three. Broncos tackle Ryan Clady had two and Bears running back Matt Forte got one.
"I'm not trying to compare anybody to Peyton Manning," Saints linebacker Scott Fujita said, "but for somebody to do that that early in their career and have that much maturity and that much control of the offense, and be able to dictate to us the things that they wanted to do, I was impressed with him. And frustrated and ticked off at the same time."
Ryan ranked 11th in passer rating at 87.7 and had 16 touchdowns to go with 11 interceptions. But it wasn't the numbers as much as his command of the huddle and his cool under pressure that made him — and the Falcons — winners.
"Obviously the big question was how well Matt would perform as a rookie quarterback," Falcons veteran linebacker Keith Brooking said. "We knew there'd be bumps in the road, but it's unbelievable what he's done in such a short period of time with the guys on our offense."
The balloting doesn't indicate the outstanding depth of the rookie class on offense. Running backs Steve Slaton of Houston, Tim Hightower of Arizona, Ray Rice of Baltimore, Jonathan Stewart of Carolina, Felix Jones and Tashard Choice of Dallas, Peyton Hillis of Denver, Kevin Smith of Detroit and Jamaal Charles of Kansas City all were contributors. So were wide receivers Eddie Royal of Denver, DeSean Jackson of Philadelphia, Davone Bess of Miami and Donnie Avery of St. Louis.
Another rookie quarterback, Joe Flacco of Baltimore, helped lead his team into the playoffs.
Add in tight ends John Carlson of Seattle and Dustin Keller of the Jets and the strength of the first-year crop is impressive.
And Ryan was the cream.
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Mike Shanahan out at Denver... wow!
I bet he's now at the top of Jerry Jones' post-Christmas wish list.
yeah, I actually just came online to verify that after I thought I glimpsed that in a paper over someone's shoulder this morning.
I eh know what to say about that oui. I thought he was the Jerry Sloan of the NFL. with rings.
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Mike Shanahan out at Denver... wow!
I bet he's now at the top of Jerry Jones' post-Christmas wish list.
yeah, I actually just came online to verify that after I thought I glimpsed that in a paper over someone's shoulder this morning.
I eh know what to say about that oui. I thought he was the Jerry Sloan of the NFL. with rings.
Interestingly enough, perception is a helluva thing eh... it really seems like he was tremendously successful during his time in Denver. But ah was listening on talk radio in mih car yesterday evening, and then on ESPN on TV... he's barely been above .500 the past 10 seasons, ever since Elway retired. Of course you could say that since Elway retired they haven't really had any stability... shoot, productivity at the QB position until now with Cutler... and even so, Cutler still erratic.
Ultimately though offense has never been their problem... their defensive play the past several seasons have been horrendous... I think ultimately that is what led to so many losses.
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mangini gone too.
good for him.
hopefully shanahan know better than to go there. i hope the jets get stick with another waste of time coach.
i finding it hard to find a team to support in the playoffs. as long as is not eagles, giants, colts, dolphins i go be ok.
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wha de armen wrong wid Atlanta today
is like they playing in pre-season mode
anyway go Cardinals :D
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wha de armen wrong wid Atlanta today
is like they playing in pre-season mode
anyway go Cardinals :D
Cardinals putting it on dem fuh real...
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Hopin for ah Steelers vs Giants super bowl...
Dolphins vs Ravens will be a big game tomorrow though
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Hopin for ah Steelers vs Giants super bowl...
Dolphins vs Ravens will be a big game tomorrow though
Would love to see Manning v. Manning... although Colts offense have mih li'l tizic.
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Hopin for ah Steelers vs Giants super bowl...
Dolphins vs Ravens will be a big game tomorrow though
Would love to see Manning v. Manning... although Colts offense have mih li'l tizic.
So much for that... Colts got shafted by the refs late in the game.
SD wins 23-17 in OT... Sproles with 328 total yards.
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Harrison 1st undrafted AP Defensive Player of Year
By ALAN ROBINSON, AP Sports Writer Jan 6, 4:10 am EST
PITTSBURGH (AP)—James Harrison wasn’t drafted out of Kent State, was cut four times before finally making it onto an NFL roster, yet is The Associated Press Defensive Player of the Year in only his second season as a Pittsburgh Steelers starter.
A tough road? For sure. Now, it gets even more difficult for Harrison, a self-made player who won an honor normally reserved for stars.
Joe Greene, Mel Blount and Jack Lambert, Defensive Players of the Year for the Steelers during the 1970s, are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Rod Woodson, the 1993 winner, could be enshrined in Canton as early as next year.
So all Harrison must do is play at a Hall of Fame level the rest of his career, right?
“I’ve got a whole bunch more to go to even be mentioned in the category of that group of guys,” Harrison said.
What Harrison has done in a brief time is remarkable enough.
Harrison earned 22 votes to 13 for Dallas linebacker DeMarcus Ware in balloting by a nationwide panel of 50 sports writers and broadcasters. The award began in 1971 and, while a large percentage of the winners were first-round draft picks, Harrison is a different kind of first—the only non-drafted player to win.
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“It couldn’t happen to a better guy,” wide receiver Hines Ward said. “He’s worked his tail off to get to where he is. You appreciate it more, considering where he came from and how he got here.”
Supposedly too short and not quite fast enough to play in the league, Harrison was helped along by two major breaks after not getting any for a couple of years.
A week before the Steelers went to camp in 2004, outside linebacker Clark Haggans was injured, causing coach Bill Cowher to bring back Harrison literally hours before camp began. Harrison had been cut three times previously by Pittsburgh. Later that season, Joey Porter got into a pregame fight in Cleveland, and Harrison unexpectedly made his first NFL start.
“Somebody else’s misfortune is somebody else’s fortune,” Harrison said. “It’s just hard work, perseverance and little blessings here and there.”
A lot of sacks, too—24 1/2 the last two seasons.
The intense, competitive Harrison began progressing after he quit fighting the structure and regimen of pro ball, so much so the Steelers released Porter after the 2006 season and made Harrison a starter. He was chosen by his teammates as their MVP in each of the two seasons since.
“It should have been unanimous,” quarterback Ben Roethlisberger said.
This season, Harrison had a team-record 16 sacks and led the league with seven forced fumbles as the Steelers allowed the fewest total yards, passing yards and points. They just missed—by about 60 yards—becoming the first defense since the 1970 NFL merger to lead the league in the four major defensive statistics.
“I do what the defense allows me to do and what my teammates allow me to do,” Harrison said. “If those other 10 guys do their job, I do my job and play within the confines of the defense and how coach (Dick) LeBeau teaches us, I make the plays I’m able to make.”
Teammate James Farrior said Harrison’s workouts remain the talk of the locker room. Harrison works out as many as three times daily during the offseason, adding an evening workout if he didn’t like one of his daytime sessions.
“He’s very tuned into what he has to do to make himself better,” Farrior said. “That’s all he strives for, to try to be better than anybody else, and you can see his determination when he’s out there on the field.”
Harrison still plays on special teams—he had 12 tackles there—and is so willing to take on extra roles that he filled in as a long snapper when Greg Warren was hurt Oct. 26 against the Giants. Even when Harrison’s bad snap led to a Giants safety, his teammates rushed to defend him.
While the Steelers had four Defensive Players of the Year from 1972-76 (Greene (1972, 1974), Blount (1975) and Lambert (1976), Harrison and Woodson are their only winners in the last 32 years.
What a coincidence that two of the best linebackers in their history came from the same school—Lambert also played at Kent State—and both were downgraded by some scouts for supposedly not being physically equipped to play in the league.
“Just to prove people wrong and I can do this,” Harrison said when asked what motivates him. “I can do this at this level.”
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that Harrison fella is a good story. I remember when he body slam the fan that charge him.
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Harrison is a beast... reminds me a lot of ex-Steeler, Greg Lloyd.
In other news... Mangini supposed signed a 4-year deal to coach the Browns, and supposedly wants Rob Ryan (Raiders defensive coach) to coach the Cleveland D.
Pacman Jones was also released by the Cowboys... supposedly new information surfaced regarding his involvement in a 'violent felony' committed while with the Titans. If true, expect the league to get involved... and for his career to end.
Good slate of games this weekend... Giants have a tough match up this weekend with Philly... but what else is new there. Still expect a victory.
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Harrison is a beast... reminds me a lot of ex-Steeler, Greg Lloyd.
In other news... Mangini supposed signed a 4-year deal to coach the Browns, and supposedly wants Rob Ryan (Raiders defensive coach) to coach the Cleveland D.
Pacman Jones was also released by the Cowboys... supposedly new information surfaced regarding his involvement in a 'violent felony' committed while with the Titans. If true, expect the league to get involved... and for his career to end.
Good slate of games this weekend... Giants have a tough match up this weekend with Philly... but what else is new there. Still expect a victory.
Reports saying he Rob Ryan to the Browns is a done deal.
I'm surprised Mangini got a job so quickly. His mannerisms on the sideline were horrible this year - he had some of the biggest eyerolls and sour faces after every Favre interception. Maybe as Teddy Atlas say, Mangini never wanted Favre. I dont question his qualifications as a tactician but I question his ability as a leader.
1 Manning down, 1 Manning to go (maybe not this week though coz I dont like Philly)
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Pacman is ah real imps... I was ready to give him the benefit of the doubt and say it's unfair that they cut him based on just an allegation...but nah, this fool deserve to be banned for life at this point.
They just detailed the story on Outside The Lines...
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3817709&categoryid=2459789
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Turnovers, penalties cost Titans in loss to RavensUpdated: January 10, 2009, 8:35 PM NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - As grudge matches go, this was worthy of the WWE. The Baltimore Ravens survived 13-10 against the Tennessee Titans on Saturday thanks to Matt Stover's 43-yard field goal with 53 seconds remaining.
Two teams with an extreme dislike for each other never stopped pounding it out in the wind and rain.
The difference: Baltimore forced three turnovers and never gave away the ball.
And when Joe Flacco led a 51-yard drive in the dying minutes to set up Stover's winning kick, the Ravens (13-5) were headed to the AFC championship game. Led by the first rookie quarterback to win two playoff games, the Ravens will play at Pittsburgh or San Diego next week for the right to go to the Super Bowl.
Baltimore's postseason run looks eerily similar to when it won the championship after the 2000 season. Back then, it also was a wild card and also won in Tennessee on the way to the title.
This victory was engineered by a brutal defense that forced mistakes by the Titans (13-4), who had the league's best record this season.
It was so rugged that the highlight-reel play was All-Pro linebacker Ray Lewis' explosive second-quarter hit on Titans fullback Ahmard Hall near the sideline. Hall's helmet flew off and both players began jawing at each other.
The nasty words never stopped flowing. But the Ravens backed it up with just enough points, climaxed by the winning kick from the last member of the Ravens who played when the franchise was in Cleveland.
The 40-year-old Stover also made a 21-yard field goal early in the fourth quarter for a 10-7 lead.
Rob Bironas kicked a 27-yard field goal with 4:23 left in regulation to tie it at 10.
Then, the unflappable Flacco connected with Todd Heap on a 23-yard pass on third down, eventually leading to the winning kick.
Flacco almost had a major blunder on Baltimore's next-to-last series when he nearly stepped out of the back of the end zone while passing. Few replays were shown at LP Field, and Titans coach Jeff Fisher dismissed the play afterward.
"We lost as a result of our own self-inflicted mistakes," he said. "We just didn't take advantage of our opportunities today."
Tennessee, a plus-14 in turnover margin while winning the AFC South, wasted a half-dozen scoring opportunities with errors. One came on Samari Rolle's interception at the Ravens 12 on a popup Kerry Collins threw under pressure from a blitz in the second period. Another was Collins' fourth-down fumble in Baltimore territory, which the quarterback recovered. The third was LenDale White's fumble at the Baltimore 17 in the final minute of the half.
White was in for rookie Chris Johnson, who left with his right ankle wrapped late in the first half. Without Johnson, the Titans moved well through the air, with Justin Gage making 10 receptions for 135 yards.
But they couldn't finish.
When their season was finished, veteran linebacker Keith Bulluck slammed down a few small metal barriers lining the tunnel leading to the Titans' locker room.
Baltimore led the league with 34 takeaways, won the turnover battle last week in a 27-9 wild-card victory at Miami, then did so again Saturday. Perhaps the biggest Tennessee turnover came with about 9 minutes to go when Alge Crumpler fumbled near the Baltimore goal line. Fabian Washington recovered, preventing the Titans from taking a late lead.
With Johnson dominating early, the Titans went on top 7-0. Collins hit all three passes on a 65-yard drive that was helped by an illegal contact penalty on former Titans cornerback Rolle.
Johnson, the only rookie in the Pro Bowl, covered 28 yards with a screen pass, and Collins hit Gage for 20 yards before Johnson surged right and dived into the end zone for a 7-0 edge.
Flacco, who struggled in a 13-10 loss to the Titans on Oct. 5 in Baltimore, matched that touchdown with a 48-yard throw down the right sideline to another former Titan, Derrick Mason.
The second quarter was scoreless, but very confrontational, with as much pushing, shoving and yelling as catching and tackling. Just what should be expected from two such physically punishing teams.
Bironas missed a 51-yard field goal midway in the third period despite having the wind at his back, adding to Tennessee's litany of blunders. And when Jim Leonhard returned a punt 29 yards to the Titans 41, Baltimore finally had good field position.
A 37-yard pass to Mark Clayton on which two defenders missed the ball got the Ravens to the 4. Stover's 21-yard field goal 50 seconds into the fourth quarter gave the Ravens their first lead.
His 43-yarder moved them within one game of the Super Bowl, and considering how the Steelers and Giants won the big game via that route in recent years, who can bet against them?
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Yuh think that was turnover? Jake Delhome threw 5 interceptions and had a fumble, accounting for all of Carolina's turnovers in a 33-13 loss to underdogs Arizona. And he did all that on his birthday no less.
Hard luck dey for the favorites today.
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Looks like my super bowl prediction blowin up...giants gettin licks and i hear big ben not 100% for d steelers game. ah doh like how tings shapin up...it will be cards vs eagles for nfc title...i doh really wanna c any ah dem in superbowl
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.... absolute shit.
Outscored!
Outplayed!
Outcoached!
Go Cardinals.
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good riddance giants
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i eh know wuh was wrong with eli today,he studyin that flickin lickin oreo competition with de william sisters.
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Venus
ELI
Peyton
Serena
What daiz ah double oreo ,if ah ever see one
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Venus
ELI
Peyton
Serena
What daiz ah double oreo ,if ah ever see one
:rotfl:
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one of de classiest men in de nfl callin it quits,tony dungy retiring.
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Venus
ELI
Peyton
Serena
What daiz ah double oreo ,if ah ever see one
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Go Ravens........
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Steelers Shared Resources With 2 Teams During World War II
By JOSHUA ROBINSON, New York Times
Published: January 14, 2009
If the Pittsburgh Steelers book a trip to the Super Bowl, where they would face the Arizona Cardinals or the Philadelphia Eagles, there will be the faintest hint of fratricide in the air. After all, the Steelers have shared more than just a common purpose with each team. They have also shared a stadium, a locker room and a jersey.
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A program, left, for the Eagles-Steelers vs. the Giants in 1943, and one for the Steelers-Cardinals vs. the Giants in 1944.
As national duty cut into N.F.L. rosters during World War II — more than 600 players were drafted at a time when teams seldom carried more than 28 — franchises scrambled for solutions. So in 1943, the Steelers and the Eagles became the Steagles, and in 1944, the Steelers and the Cardinals became Card-Pitt, all in the interest of keeping professional football alive during the war.
But today, in the age of endless player pipelines and billion-dollar franchises, they are largely forgotten.
“I grew up in Philadelphia and to me, it’s always been the answer to a trivia question,” Matthew Algeo, author of “Last Team Standing,” said about the Steagles’ only season. “The N.F.L. is funny that way; it’s like nothing existed before the Super Bowl. It’s a little surprising that it’s not better known.”
After the Cleveland Rams, whose owners were off fighting for Uncle Sam, decided to suspend operations for the 1943 season, N.F.L. Commissioner Elmer Layden was not about to let the entire season go the way of that year’s Indianapolis 500 — scratched to save gasoline — or the United States Open golf tournament — canceled because the rubber used in golf balls could not be spared.
So when Layden saw that the Steelers had only six players under contract and that the Eagles were down to about a dozen, he suggested a temporary merger between teams whose history was already intertwined. (Both joined the league the same year and, through much wrangling, were once traded by their respective owners.) Layden figured the arrangement would keep both franchises alive and solve his problem of trying to create a schedule for nine teams.
“Had to do it,” the Steelers co-owner Bert Bell said in an interview with The New York Times that summer. “Pittsburgh had no backs left and Philadelphia had no linemen.”
With a roster full of 4-Fs — men ineligible for the draft — Phil-Pitt was born. Newspaper columnists dubbed the team the Steagles, even though the plan was for them to be called the Eagles without a city in the name.
The players were pooled, and few football fans complained. “Both teams had been so bad that there was no worry of their becoming a superteam,” Algeo said.
But by the season’s end, the Steagles had become a decent one.
Playing most of their games in Philadelphia in the Eagles’ green and white, the Steagles finished 5-4-1. It was the first winning season in the Eagles’ 11-year history and the second for the Steelers.
Under Greasy Neale of Philadelphia and Walt Kiesling of Pittsburgh, who served as co-coaches, the Steagles also contributed to the game’s development. Because Neale and Kiesling hated each other, they divided responsibilities along the lines of offense and defense. Modern offensive and defensive coordinators were thus born of a loveless marriage.
After the team dissolved, the Eagles were able to stand alone for the 1944 season. But with the Rams returning to the league, and the newly formed Boston Yanks joining, Layden had 11 teams. So the Steelers once again agreed to a merger, this time with the Chicago Cardinals.
That season, Card-Pitt, as the team was known, became rooted to the bottom of standings and set a benchmark for futility. The Detroit Lions might have posted the worst record in league history in 2008 by going 0-16, but they were only one team. It took two teams in 1944 to go a perfectly useless 0-10. Card-Pitt became better known as the Carpets, because opponents ran over them.
But at least the Steelers’ Kiesling got along much better with his new coaching partner, Phil Handler of Chicago. The problem, according to Algeo, was that Kiesling and Handler might have gotten along a little too well. “Legend has it they spent more time at the racetrack than watching game film,” he said.
The season-long debacle began with a 22-0 defeat in an exhibition game against Philadelphia and kept devolving. The Carpets cobbled together eight passing touchdowns all season but threw 41 interceptions — more than one a quarter. Thirteen belonged to the hapless quarterback John McCarthy, according to a 2003 article from the Pro Football Researchers Association newsletter.
Still, the Carpets were not entirely devoid of talent. Running back Johnny Grigas, who was named to The Daily News’s 1944 all-pro team, ran for 610 yards in the first nine games. But the stench of failure inside the locker room was getting to him, sapping his will. Two players had been fined for “indifferent play,” and the night before the team’s final game, against the mighty Chicago Bears — favored by four touchdowns — Grigas disappeared. He knew the game could not be pretty.
By kickoff, Grigas was already on a train out of town. All he left behind were a note to his roommate — it read simply, “This is the end,” according to The Chicago Tribune — and a letter to the team’s management.
“When your mind is changed because of the physical beating, week in and week out, your soul isn’t in the game,” he wrote, adding: “I tried to win and worked hard, but the work-horse, as I was termed by the newspapers, is almost ready for the farm. In closing all I can say is I’m deeply sorry — but these are things which can’t be fully explained. Good luck and may the team win just this one.”
Card-Pitt lost, 49-7.
For the Steelers and Cardinals at least, the temporary brotherhood may be better off forgotten.
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Pittsburgh's Mayor Changes his name from 'Ravenstahl' to 'Steelerstahl'
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Gruden just get fired.
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Gruden just get fired.
Overrated.
The Glazers gave Dungy a much shorter leash... and look he was able to write he own ticket in Indy, and what Gruden achieved? Haul allyuh ass.
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Cardinals to the Superbowl!
McNabb play a boss game in the 2nd half, but come up short. I sure T.O. laughing.
Now for the real championship game. Baltimore vs Pittsburgh.
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Cardinals to the Superbowl!
McNabb play a boss game in the 2nd half, but come up short. I sure T.O. laughing.
Now for the real championship game. Baltimore vs Pittsburgh.
TO worried about gettin cut and he has the same number of rings as Mc Nabb. F^ckin kicker pull rell stones today. Say wah- go Flyers!
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Cardinals to the Superbowl!
McNabb play a boss game in the 2nd half, but come up short. I sure T.O. laughing.
Now for the real championship game. Baltimore vs Pittsburgh.
McNabb played his ass off that second half... I felt for him that he came up short and was glad that it came down to the defense failing to stop Arizona and not that he caused them the game himself. Something I notice with Aikman yrs now... he's very critical of McNabb... harping on shit. Half the 'erratic' passes McNabb threw in the first half was hardly as terrible as Aikman was making it seem. I agree that the one pass he threw low to Greg Lewis... had he hit him in stride it would have been 6 pts... that's about it.
Even so... I glad they lost. McNabb does, but the fans and skinflint organization don't... dem could haul dey ass.
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Steelers to the Super Bowl
second time in 4 years
Its going to be a Steelers Victory...ya heard it here first ;)
Tomlin learned evrything he knows about football from his Dad who played in the CFL......right TT? ;D
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i ent really follow the season or nutten, i's a waggonist... and i jumpin on the cardinals bandwagon ;D
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Favre retire...AGAIN!!! That fella need to jus stay out my sight for d next 5 yrs yo...he doh get tired or wha