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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Controversial on October 19, 2008, 09:02:28 AM
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Being new to the board and being a lurker for several years I've noticed that many posters tend to forget that anton corneal is at the head of the selection of the team, with the blessings of jw. It is because of him, players like pacheco, noray, tinto,guerra, sancho, dwarika,theobald, jemmott, josh johnson and many others who are not in his biased list, can't see a national call up. Under Wim many players got a chance for the digicel, he may not have been a great coach in terms of giving the locals a fair assesment, or boosting their self esteem but he picked better teams locally and gave many locals a chance, under corneal, he picks players who he favours, which more than often is not based on skill or talent, but on who he likes personally.
We as supporters then blame maturana who is not even responsible for the selection of the team, nobody has asked the question as to whether maturana has ever attended a local pfl match or super league match, maybe I'm wrong but I have never read about it. He really doesn't need to because Corneal picks the team and knows what he wants, not what is best for T&T football.
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i have seen Maturana in pro league games now and then on tv
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I personally...never like cornmeal and his father...SUCK as coached....and cornmeal still part of T&T staff
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i have seen Maturana in pro league games now and then on tv
which games? because i find it hard to believe a national coach is here and there, which is clear corneal is selecting the team because corneal knows the local players.
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i have seen Maturana in pro league games now and then on tv
http://www.ecaroh.info/explainerbest7.mp3
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i have seen Maturana in pro league games now and then on tv
which games? because i find it hard to believe a national coach is here and there, which is clear corneal is selecting the team because corneal knows the local players.
Wim was a virtual fixture at Pro League matches.
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Being new to the board and being a lurker for several years I've noticed that many posters tend to forget that anton corneal is at the head of the selection of the team, with the blessings of jw. It is because of him, players like pacheco, noray, tinto, sancho, dwarika,theobald, jemmott, josh johnson and many others who are not in his biased list, can't see a national call up. Under Wim many players got a chance for the digicel, he may not have been a great coach in terms of giving the locals a fair assesment, or boosting their self esteem but he picked better teams locally and gave many locals a chance, under corneal, he picks players who he favours, which more than often is not based on skill or talent, but on who he likes personally.
We as supporters then blame maturana who is not even responsible for the selection of the team, nobody has asked the question as to whether maturana has ever attended a local pfl match or super league match, maybe I'm wrong but I have never read about it. He really doesn't need to because Corneal picks the team and knows what he wants, not what is best for T&T football.
conTroversIal, welcome to the board. that last line seem to sum it up. if corneal has become indispensable (like jack), then sadly the players have to follow suit. what setup you have in mind where players could be selected without "bias"?
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Being new to the board and being a lurker for several years I've noticed that many posters tend to forget that anton corneal is at the head of the selection of the team, with the blessings of jw. It is because of him, players like pacheco, noray, tinto, sancho, dwarika,theobald, jemmott, josh johnson and many others who are not in his biased list, can't see a national call up. Under Wim many players got a chance for the digicel, he may not have been a great coach in terms of giving the locals a fair assesment, or boosting their self esteem but he picked better teams locally and gave many locals a chance, under corneal, he picks players who he favours, which more than often is not based on skill or talent, but on who he likes personally.
We as supporters then blame maturana who is not even responsible for the selection of the team, nobody has asked the question as to whether maturana has ever attended a local pfl match or super league match, maybe I'm wrong but I have never read about it. He really doesn't need to because Corneal picks the team and knows what he wants, not what is best for T&T football.
conTroversIal, welcome to the board. that last line seem to sum it up. if corneal has become indispensable (like jack), then sadly the players have to follow suit. what setup you have in mind where players could be selected without "bias"?
change the assistant coach, its as simple as that, when wim was in charge, corneal had to take a back seat, only with regards to the blacklist of the foreign based, was the only time wim's selection power was diminished. Otherwise, it is clear that a neutral party who takes interest in the local game will see the best players, wim did this, thats why the players mentioned above got a chance, even the likes of errol mcfarlane was also given a shot at the forward position.
Im not saying wim was the ideal coach or instilled confidence in the local players but at least he picked the best available, we reached the digicel final with a weak backline and forward line, the midfield was the only plus, but now we can't even see those players on the national team, namely because corneal's power has been strengthened.
I remember lisana liburd, keith smith and many others highlighting the play of the midfield during the last digicel cup and theat if the blacklist were to end, with the best local based, we would have a very strong squad, up to now, i haven't seen the strongest side stand up, corneal has made them sit down or get out.
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i have seen Maturana in pro league games now and then on tv
which games? because i find it hard to believe a national coach is here and there, which is clear corneal is selecting the team because corneal knows the local players.
Wim was a virtual fixture at Pro League matches.
tell dem Jah Gol
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i have seen Maturana in pro league games now and then on tv
which games? because i find it hard to believe a national coach is here and there, which is clear corneal is selecting the team because corneal knows the local players.
Wim was a virtual fixture at Pro League matches.
You eh fraid yuh get cuss.
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mat does be in pro league games
the last one i went was cali vs jablo and he stay whole game
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mat does be in pro league games
the last one i went was cali vs jablo and he stay whole game
weary soon cuss yuh.. 8)
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I call dumbtist does me dey becaise Me and meh man went nuff games I even took him 2 d intercol final in 06 2 c San Juan beat Fatima
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Being new to the board and being a lurker for several years I've noticed that many posters tend to forget that anton corneal is at the head of the selection of the team, with the blessings of jw. It is because of him, players like pacheco, noray, tinto, sancho, dwarika,theobald, jemmott, josh johnson and many others who are not in his biased list, can't see a national call up. Under Wim many players got a chance for the digicel, he may not have been a great coach in terms of giving the locals a fair assesment, or boosting their self esteem but he picked better teams locally and gave many locals a chance, under corneal, he picks players who he favours, which more than often is not based on skill or talent, but on who he likes personally.
We as supporters then blame maturana who is not even responsible for the selection of the team, nobody has asked the question as to whether maturana has ever attended a local pfl match or super league match, maybe I'm wrong but I have never read about it. He really doesn't need to because Corneal picks the team and knows what he wants, not what is best for T&T football.
conTroversIal, welcome to the board. that last line seem to sum it up. if corneal has become indispensable (like jack), then sadly the players have to follow suit. what setup you have in mind where players could be selected without "bias"?
change the assistant coach, its as simple as that, when wim was in charge, corneal had to take a back seat, only with regards to the blacklist of the foreign based, was the only time wim's selection power was diminished. Otherwise, it is clear that a neutral party who takes interest in the local game will see the best players, wim did this, thats why the players mentioned above got a chance, even the likes of errol mcfarlane was also given a shot at the forward position.
Im not saying wim was the ideal coach or instilled confidence in the local players but at least he picked the best available, we reached the digicel final with a weak backline and forward line, the midfield was the only plus, but now we can't even see those players on the national team, namely because corneal's power has been strengthened.
I remember lisana liburd, keith smith and many others highlighting the play of the midfield during the last digicel cup and theat if the blacklist were to end, with the best local based, we would have a very strong squad, up to now, i haven't seen the strongest side stand up, corneal has made them sit down or get out.
Which digicel was this???? Could you list the team??
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Last yrs Digicel Final when we lost 2 Haiti
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I've have been trying to understand the heading, and as such was wondering who we will list as our best 18 for the Hex? No blacklist, no bad mind pick, just every BEST player available for pick.
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Controversial
That digicel team was not that bad for a mostly local squad. I remember Scott Sealy came, played the first match and then none after. K Baptiste and he yellow boots only want to beat. Tinto played alright
Theobald tried to play the Yorke roleHardest play alright.Glasgow throw way too many goals in that tournament.
What I remember most is Daryl tho. Played well every time he was on the field. So I would like to know why you said a weak forward line??? The forward line was not the best, but it wasn't "weak".
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Dat Digi team started 2 show lil form then whap I ended in a long distance relationship because d technical director was assulted.
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Gary Glasgow was the main striker for that team.
I was telling everybody who wanted to listen that the team would not get past Haiti from early on primarily because I saw Haiti U21 destroy the U21 squad in the Larry Gomes.
All this bull shyte talk about Anton and allyuh forgetting he was Wim assistant also.
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Controversial
That digicel team was not that bad for a mostly local squad. I remember Scott Sealy came, played the first match and then none after. K Baptiste and he yellow boots only want to beat. Tinto played alright
Theobald tried to play the Yorke roleHardest play alright.Glasgow throw way too many goals in that tournament.
What I remember most is Daryl tho. Played well every time he was on the field. So I would like to know why you said a weak forward line??? The forward line was not the best, but it wasn't "weak".
i understand your point of view but glasgow and sealy were not up to par, roberts shined and with only one striker, it was a weak forward line, our midfield had the two backbones, theobald and jemmott, our defense was the main reason for the loss in the final.
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Being new to the board and being a lurker for several years I've noticed that many posters tend to forget that anton corneal is at the head of the selection of the team, with the blessings of jw. It is because of him, players like pacheco, noray, tinto,guerra, sancho, dwarika,theobald, jemmott, josh johnson and many others who are not in his biased list, can't see a national call up. Under Wim many players got a chance for the digicel, he may not have been a great coach in terms of giving the locals a fair assesment, or boosting their self esteem but he picked better teams locally and gave many locals a chance, under corneal, he picks players who he favours, which more than often is not based on skill or talent, but on who he likes personally.
We as supporters then blame maturana who is not even responsible for the selection of the team, nobody has asked the question as to whether maturana has ever attended a local pfl match or super league match, maybe I'm wrong but I have never read about it. He really doesn't need to because Corneal picks the team and knows what he wants, not what is best for T&T football.
I wonder if you have come up with these points on your own or you have just joined up with the " young sweats " on dis forum ? Quick question ..have you been to any pro league games yourself ? ..only adsking this because you seem to know who the coach should pick ?
You should read some comments on " Wim " ..... before you look to compare anybody to him ! Read also what he said about the local players and get old newspapers and read about his selection policy ..local players had little chance ...was bring back de foreign based and add two or three locals and dais it. It was also not his job to improve locals...these are just some of the things you will discover if you just dig a little deeper.
On the second point ... which of the players can you name that have not had a chance under " Corneal and maturana ? far as i can see all of the ones you have so far named have had their cahnce to prove themselves. matura must also be looking at the bigger picture from now on. When he was giving opportunity to all and sundry men was complaining dat he screening for far too long.
Seems maturana cant win in trinidad only lose ... he picked local players , gave them a chance in International games...people complained that he was not picking the best players. he brought back the foeign based and mixed them with the locals who have proved themselves ...he still kyah win ( although the team is winning )
Fot the first time in a world cup game T&T beat the USA ...dat still eh good enough.
If we did lorse to dat same team I woulda be the first to say he should go ..but he won ...more criticism..but like folks eh realise dat Maturana could only pick his team ...like some ah dem want him to pick the USA team TOO !! So he getting blame because the USA eh start wid de first team ..
I go really go wid maestro ( you know him right ) ..." trinidadians eh really know what dey want "
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Gary Glasgow was the main striker for that team.
I was telling everybody who wanted to listen that the team would not get past Haiti from early on primarily because I saw Haiti U21 destroy the U21 squad in the Larry Gomes.
All this bull shyte talk about Anton and allyuh forgetting he was Wim assistant also.
but fishs.. We beat Haiti in the group stage 2-1 0r 3-1 or something like that.. That is when they put scott to sitdown..
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Being new to the board and being a lurker for several years I've noticed that many posters tend to forget that anton corneal is at the head of the selection of the team, with the blessings of jw. It is because of him, players like pacheco, noray, tinto,guerra, sancho, dwarika,theobald, jemmott, josh johnson and many others who are not in his biased list, can't see a national call up. Under Wim many players got a chance for the digicel, he may not have been a great coach in terms of giving the locals a fair assesment, or boosting their self esteem but he picked better teams locally and gave many locals a chance, under corneal, he picks players who he favours, which more than often is not based on skill or talent, but on who he likes personally.
We as supporters then blame maturana who is not even responsible for the selection of the team, nobody has asked the question as to whether maturana has ever attended a local pfl match or super league match, maybe I'm wrong but I have never read about it. He really doesn't need to because Corneal picks the team and knows what he wants, not what is best for T&T football.
I wonder if you have come up with these points on your own or you have just joined up with the " young sweats " on dis forum ? Quick question ..have you been to any pro league games yourself ? ..only adsking this because you seem to know who the coach should pick ?
You should read some comments on " Wim " ..... before you look to compare anybody to him ! Read also what he said about the local players and get old newspapers and read about his selection policy ..local players had little chance ...was bring back de foreign based and add two or three locals and dais it. It was also not his job to improve locals...these are just some of the things you will discover if you just dig a little deeper.
On the second point ... which of the players can you name that have not had a chance under " Corneal and maturana ? far as i can see all of the ones you have so far named have had their cahnce to prove themselves. matura must also be looking at the bigger picture from now on. When he was giving opportunity to all and sundry men was complaining dat he screening for far too long.
Seems maturana cant win in trinidad only lose ... he picked local players , gave them a chance in International games...people complained that he was not picking the best players. he brought back the foeign based and mixed them with the locals who have proved themselves ...he still kyah win ( although the team is winning )
Fot the first time in a world cup game T&T beat the USA ...dat still eh good enough.
If we did lorse to dat same team I woulda be the first to say he should go ..but he won ...more criticism..but like folks eh realise dat Maturana could only pick his team ...like some ah dem want him to pick the USA team TOO !! So he getting blame because the USA eh start wid de first team ..
I go really go wid maestro ( you know him right ) ..." trinidadians eh really know what dey want "
:applause: :applause: :applause: EX...CEL...LENT :beermug: :beermug: good going guys i'm really enjoying the forum these days,it's better from the outside looking in.
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Being new to the board and being a lurker for several years I've noticed that many posters tend to forget that anton corneal is at the head of the selection of the team, with the blessings of jw. It is because of him, players like pacheco, noray, tinto,guerra, sancho, dwarika,theobald, jemmott, josh johnson and many others who are not in his biased list, can't see a national call up. Under Wim many players got a chance for the digicel, he may not have been a great coach in terms of giving the locals a fair assesment, or boosting their self esteem but he picked better teams locally and gave many locals a chance, under corneal, he picks players who he favours, which more than often is not based on skill or talent, but on who he likes personally.
We as supporters then blame maturana who is not even responsible for the selection of the team, nobody has asked the question as to whether maturana has ever attended a local pfl match or super league match, maybe I'm wrong but I have never read about it. He really doesn't need to because Corneal picks the team and knows what he wants, not what is best for T&T football.
I wonder if you have come up with these points on your own or you have just joined up with the " young sweats " on dis forum ? Quick question ..have you been to any pro league games yourself ? ..only adsking this because you seem to know who the coach should pick ?
You should read some comments on " Wim " ..... before you look to compare anybody to him ! Read also what he said about the local players and get old newspapers and read about his selection policy ..local players had little chance ...was bring back de foreign based and add two or three locals and dais it. It was also not his job to improve locals...these are just some of the things you will discover if you just dig a little deeper.
On the second point ... which of the players can you name that have not had a chance under " Corneal and maturana ? far as i can see all of the ones you have so far named have had their cahnce to prove themselves. matura must also be looking at the bigger picture from now on. When he was giving opportunity to all and sundry men was complaining dat he screening for far too long.
Seems maturana cant win in trinidad only lose ... he picked local players , gave them a chance in International games...people complained that he was not picking the best players. he brought back the foeign based and mixed them with the locals who have proved themselves ...he still kyah win ( although the team is winning )
Fot the first time in a world cup game T&T beat the USA ...dat still eh good enough.
If we did lorse to dat same team I woulda be the first to say he should go ..but he won ...more criticism..but like folks eh realise dat Maturana could only pick his team ...like some ah dem want him to pick the USA team TOO !! So he getting blame because the USA eh start wid de first team ..
I go really go wid maestro ( you know him right ) ..." trinidadians eh really know what dey want "
to answer your questions in a non insultive way, yes i have been to many pro league games and watched them also when they were available to be watched via the pro league website. In regards to wim, I stated he did not boost the local players confidence, nor did he help them develop, i am in full agreement with you, however he picked the best local outfit to play, he had a better eye for selecting the BEST local players, unlike corneal, his selection is based on personal bias, it is obvious not only from who is left out but also from many others around local football, who have just watched the selection process being undertaken. I have no quams with maturana, in fact the title of my thread focuses on corneal, not maturana, so I dont know why you would accuse me of dogging maturana when it is actually corneal's doing. Furthermore, the best locals have still not been selected and included with the foreign based. You lost the entire point of the thread, its not a problem with selecting the local based but its which local based is being selected and when it comes to corneal, the best wont be selected, which has nothing to do with maturana.
Maturana has been reported to be at a few games, however this was just a mere fulfillment of the contract, the fact still remains that wim was there more often regardless of his blatent disrespect towards the locals skills, which was uncalled for and downright rediculous, however he still managed to pick the best local team without bias. I cannot say the same for corneal, maturana is looking like the pappyshow while corneal is being sheltered from his wrongdoing from the public eye. If corneal was not there, the locals i have mentioned above would still be on the team or at least be given the chance for trials with the foreign based, to have a stronger unit.
in a nutshell, maturana is not selecting the team, its corneal, plain and simple, thats the reason we havent seen our strongest squad as yet.
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Being new to the board and being a lurker for several years I've noticed that many posters tend to forget that anton corneal is at the head of the selection of the team, with the blessings of jw. It is because of him, players like pacheco, noray, tinto,guerra, sancho, dwarika,theobald, jemmott, josh johnson and many others who are not in his biased list, can't see a national call up. Under Wim many players got a chance for the digicel, he may not have been a great coach in terms of giving the locals a fair assesment, or boosting their self esteem but he picked better teams locally and gave many locals a chance, under corneal, he picks players who he favours, which more than often is not based on skill or talent, but on who he likes personally.
We as supporters then blame maturana who is not even responsible for the selection of the team, nobody has asked the question as to whether maturana has ever attended a local pfl match or super league match, maybe I'm wrong but I have never read about it. He really doesn't need to because Corneal picks the team and knows what he wants, not what is best for T&T football.
I wonder if you have come up with these points on your own or you have just joined up with the " young sweats " on dis forum ? Quick question ..have you been to any pro league games yourself ? ..only adsking this because you seem to know who the coach should pick ?
You should read some comments on " Wim " ..... before you look to compare anybody to him ! Read also what he said about the local players and get old newspapers and read about his selection policy ..local players had little chance ...was bring back de foreign based and add two or three locals and dais it. It was also not his job to improve locals...these are just some of the things you will discover if you just dig a little deeper.
On the second point ... which of the players can you name that have not had a chance under " Corneal and maturana ? far as i can see all of the ones you have so far named have had their cahnce to prove themselves. matura must also be looking at the bigger picture from now on. When he was giving opportunity to all and sundry men was complaining dat he screening for far too long.
Seems maturana cant win in trinidad only lose ... he picked local players , gave them a chance in International games...people complained that he was not picking the best players. he brought back the foeign based and mixed them with the locals who have proved themselves ...he still kyah win ( although the team is winning )
Fot the first time in a world cup game T&T beat the USA ...dat still eh good enough.
If we did lorse to dat same team I woulda be the first to say he should go ..but he won ...more criticism..but like folks eh realise dat Maturana could only pick his team ...like some ah dem want him to pick the USA team TOO !! So he getting blame because the USA eh start wid de first team ..
I go really go wid maestro ( you know him right ) ..." trinidadians eh really know what dey want "
to answer your questions in a non insultive way, yes i have been to many pro league games and watched them also when they were available to be watched via the pro league website. In regards to wim, I stated he did not boost the local players confidence, nor did he help them develop, i am in full agreement with you, however he picked the best local outfit to play, he had a better eye for selecting the BEST local players, unlike corneal, his selection is based on personal bias, it is obvious not only from who is left out but also from many others around local football, who have just watched the selection process being undertaken. I have no quams with maturana, in fact the title of my thread focuses on corneal, not maturana, so I dont know why you would accuse me of dogging maturana when it is actually corneal's doing. Furthermore, the best locals have still not been selected and included with the foreign based. You lost the entire point of the thread, its not a problem with selecting the local based but its which local based is being selected and when it comes to corneal, the best wont be selected, which has nothing to do with maturana.
Maturana has been reported to be at a few games, however this was just a mere fulfillment of the contract, the fact still remains that wim was there more often regardless of his blatent disrespect towards the locals skills, which was uncalled for and downright rediculous, however he still managed to pick the best local team without bias. I cannot say the same for corneal, maturana is looking like the pappyshow while corneal is being sheltered from his wrongdoing from the public eye. If corneal was not there, the locals i have mentioned above would still be on the team or at least be given the chance for trials with the foreign based, to have a stronger unit.
in a nutshell, maturana is not selecting the team, its corneal, plain and simple, thats the reason we havent seen our strongest squad as yet.
Our strongest squad is therefore ......
You realise of course that no sooner you say who you think should play someone else would disagree.
Team selection is a subjective thing .... it is up to the coach ..his neck is on the line . It is like Frank said ...I did it my way !
If you succeed you stay if you fail you go either voluntarily or otherwise. There is no formula for a coach to follow. If you are the coach you follow your instincts..for example are you aware of any personal greviances among players ? Are you aware if the chemistry between certain players upset the team ? it is not only a matter of picking who you think are the best players but rather selecting the best players who can play together.
Some of the best players on a team may play in the same positions would you play them all at the same time ? folks have been calling for the inclusion of Scotty ...give Scotty a chance !! when Scotty is on de team others say pick Glen, some say bring back Stern ...when Kenwyn jones returns ....what happens then ? I guess if the coach wanted to be popular he would pick all ah dem right ?
Well you cant separate Maturana from Corneal. Corneal is part of maturana's team. I am sure, if you go to see local games , you will see them watching the games together. If they fail they all fail.
I cant agree with all dis negative talk ....we will never be satisfied regardless who plays or even if we succeed in getting to the WC but al least let us be fair.
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Gary Glasgow was the main striker for that team.
I was telling everybody who wanted to listen that the team would not get past Haiti from early on primarily because I saw Haiti U21 destroy the U21 squad in the Larry Gomes.
All this bull shyte talk about Anton and allyuh forgetting he was Wim assistant also.
but fishs.. We beat Haiti in the group stage 2-1 0r 3-1 or something like that.. That is when they put scott to sitdown..
Yuh sure about that ? I watched all the TT games, definitely have stop drinking all that gazool before ah watch football.
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Being new to the board and being a lurker for several years I've noticed that many posters tend to forget that anton corneal is at the head of the selection of the team, with the blessings of jw. It is because of him, players like pacheco, noray, tinto,guerra, sancho, dwarika,theobald, jemmott, josh johnson and many others who are not in his biased list, can't see a national call up. Under Wim many players got a chance for the digicel, he may not have been a great coach in terms of giving the locals a fair assesment, or boosting their self esteem but he picked better teams locally and gave many locals a chance, under corneal, he picks players who he favours, which more than often is not based on skill or talent, but on who he likes personally.
We as supporters then blame maturana who is not even responsible for the selection of the team, nobody has asked the question as to whether maturana has ever attended a local pfl match or super league match, maybe I'm wrong but I have never read about it. He really doesn't need to because Corneal picks the team and knows what he wants, not what is best for T&T football.
I wonder if you have come up with these points on your own or you have just joined up with the " young sweats " on dis forum ? Quick question ..have you been to any pro league games yourself ? ..only adsking this because you seem to know who the coach should pick ?
You should read some comments on " Wim " ..... before you look to compare anybody to him ! Read also what he said about the local players and get old newspapers and read about his selection policy ..local players had little chance ...was bring back de foreign based and add two or three locals and dais it. It was also not his job to improve locals...these are just some of the things you will discover if you just dig a little deeper.
On the second point ... which of the players can you name that have not had a chance under " Corneal and maturana ? far as i can see all of the ones you have so far named have had their cahnce to prove themselves. matura must also be looking at the bigger picture from now on. When he was giving opportunity to all and sundry men was complaining dat he screening for far too long.
Seems maturana cant win in trinidad only lose ... he picked local players , gave them a chance in International games...people complained that he was not picking the best players. he brought back the foeign based and mixed them with the locals who have proved themselves ...he still kyah win ( although the team is winning )
Fot the first time in a world cup game T&T beat the USA ...dat still eh good enough.
If we did lorse to dat same team I woulda be the first to say he should go ..but he won ...more criticism..but like folks eh realise dat Maturana could only pick his team ...like some ah dem want him to pick the USA team TOO !! So he getting blame because the USA eh start wid de first team ..
I go really go wid maestro ( you know him right ) ..." trinidadians eh really know what dey want "
to answer your questions in a non insultive way, yes i have been to many pro league games and watched them also when they were available to be watched via the pro league website. In regards to wim, I stated he did not boost the local players confidence, nor did he help them develop, i am in full agreement with you, however he picked the best local outfit to play, he had a better eye for selecting the BEST local players, unlike corneal, his selection is based on personal bias, it is obvious not only from who is left out but also from many others around local football, who have just watched the selection process being undertaken. I have no quams with maturana, in fact the title of my thread focuses on corneal, not maturana, so I dont know why you would accuse me of dogging maturana when it is actually corneal's doing. Furthermore, the best locals have still not been selected and included with the foreign based. You lost the entire point of the thread, its not a problem with selecting the local based but its which local based is being selected and when it comes to corneal, the best wont be selected, which has nothing to do with maturana.
Maturana has been reported to be at a few games, however this was just a mere fulfillment of the contract, the fact still remains that wim was there more often regardless of his blatent disrespect towards the locals skills, which was uncalled for and downright rediculous, however he still managed to pick the best local team without bias. I cannot say the same for corneal, maturana is looking like the pappyshow while corneal is being sheltered from his wrongdoing from the public eye. If corneal was not there, the locals i have mentioned above would still be on the team or at least be given the chance for trials with the foreign based, to have a stronger unit.
in a nutshell, maturana is not selecting the team, its corneal, plain and simple, thats the reason we havent seen our strongest squad as yet.
Our strongest squad is therefore ......
You realise of course that no sooner you say who you think should play someone else would disagree.
Team selection is a subjective thing .... it is up to the coach ..his neck is on the line . It is like Frank said ...I did it my way !
If you succeed you stay if you fail you go either voluntarily or otherwise. There is no formula for a coach to follow. If you are the coach you follow your instincts..for example are you aware of any personal greviances among players ? Are you aware if the chemistry between certain players upset the team ? it is not only a matter of picking who you think are the best players but rather selecting the best players who can play together.
Some of the best players on a team may play in the same positions would you play them all at the same time ? folks have been calling for the inclusion of Scotty ...give Scotty a chance !! when Scotty is on de team others say pick Glen, some say bring back Stern ...when Kenwyn jones returns ....what happens then ? I guess if the coach wanted to be popular he would pick all ah dem right ?
Well you cant separate Maturana from Corneal. Corneal is part of maturana's team. I am sure, if you go to see local games , you will see them watching the games together. If they fail they all fail.
I cant agree with all dis negative talk ....we will never be satisfied regardless who plays or even if we succeed in getting to the WC but al least let us be fair.
there is the scenario where certain players are needed because it will make the team better, players known to play well in a team setting and will excel because of whether their creativity or intelligence combined with their skill. I am not condemning corneal nor the coaching staff but you can see there is obvious positions which need strengthening.
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Well then name those players of whom you speak that are being or have been excluded because of Corneal.
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Gary Glasgow was the main striker for that team.
I was telling everybody who wanted to listen that the team would not get past Haiti from early on primarily because I saw Haiti U21 destroy the U21 squad in the Larry Gomes.
All this bull shyte talk about Anton and allyuh forgetting he was Wim assistant also.
but fishs.. We beat Haiti in the group stage 2-1 0r 3-1 or something like that.. That is when they put scott to sitdown..
Yuh sure about that ? I watched all the TT games, definitely have stop drinking all that gazool before ah watch football.
yeah we mash up haiti in the group stage game 3. cyah verify dat is when Scott get benched. They brought the highlights on Fox Sports..it was nice.
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truth is..someone will always be dissatisfied with the national team coach selection.
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Well then name those players of whom you speak that are being or have been excluded because of Corneal.
i think controversial listed them at the beginning of his thread, i think he summed it up well enough.
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pacheco, noray, tinto,guerra, sancho, dwarika,theobald, jemmott, josh johnson
Let's break this down shall we?
According to controversial's "logic" these players have been excluded by Anton Corneal because of bias.
Andrei Pacheco....possibly. Who is he playing with currently? Is this the same Pacheco that went on trial with an MLS team and wasn't able to make it? How has he been playing this season? Is he in form?
Kerry Noray.....plays with Joe Public. A team owned by Jack Warner. In controversial's mind...Anton could override Jack and not pick him. Not sure what position Kerry Noray supposed to fill on the National team though.
Atullah Guerra......plays with Jabloteh. Seeing that Jabloteh players have been conspicuously absent from the National team set up in recent times, this might make sense. Except....Guerra WAS selected by Corneal initially. He didn't exactly have much opportunity to showcase what he had but on the few occasions he did have a chance, he didn't exactly carpe de fleckin diem eedah. Besides....Guerra not even on de Jabloteh 1st XI dese days so how he supposed to make de National team now?
Brent Sancho....Or Hor....so is Anton Corneal not pickin him. Thanks fuh clearin dat up. Me eh know he does be coachin all dem clubs in Britain eedah. And all dis time I did tort was Jack was keepin he out on de blackliss. But of course.....Anton done override Jack wit Noray so who is Sancho? My bad.
Arnold Dwarika....Where he fittin on de National team again? In front a who? Latas?
Theobald.....Oh boy.
Jemmott.....tink he could last 10 minutes? Besides....Alvin Corneal is known to be a huge fan of Hardest. But Anton does overrule he faddah and all wit he bias self ent?
Josh Johnson.....Who?
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Facts : The job of the national team coach is not to develop players..secondly, it was mentioned during de broadcast of the T&T - USA game that we used (someone correct meh if ah wrong) 39 players in the campaing so far, more that any other team in CONCACAF . Thirdly Anotn was Wim's assisistant as well, so blamig Anton not going to solve anything , ah wish we could hear something more positive..
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it was mentioned during de broadcast of the T&T - USA game that we used (someone correct meh if ah wrong) 39 players in the campaing so far, more that any other team in CONCACAF .
We could use 139 players. It go still have peeps who eh go be happy and go find somebody to blame.
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pacheco, noray, tinto,guerra, sancho, dwarika,theobald, jemmott, josh johnson
Let's break this down shall we?
According to controversial's "logic" these players have been excluded by Anton Corneal because of bias.
Andrei Pacheco....possibly. Who is he playing with currently? Is this the same Pacheco that went on trial with an MLS team and wasn't able to make it? How has he been playing this season? Is he in form?
Kerry Noray.....plays with Joe Public. A team owned by Jack Warner. In controversial's mind...Anton could override Jack and not pick him. Not sure what position Kerry Noray supposed to fill on the National team though.
Atullah Guerra......plays with Jabloteh. Seeing that Jabloteh players have been conspicuously absent from the National team set up in recent times, this might make sense. Except....Guerra WAS selected by Corneal initially. He didn't exactly have much opportunity to showcase what he had but on the few occasions he did have a chance, he didn't exactly carpe de fleckin diem eedah. Besides....Guerra not even on de Jabloteh 1st XI dese days so how he supposed to make de National team now?
Brent Sancho....Or Hor....so is Anton Corneal not pickin him. Thanks fuh clearin dat up. Me eh know he does be coachin all dem clubs in Britain eedah. And all dis time I did tort was Jack was keepin he out on de blackliss. But of course.....Anton done override Jack wit Noray so who is Sancho? My bad.
Arnold Dwarika....Where he fittin on de National team again? In front a who? Latas?
Theobald.....Oh boy.
Jemmott.....tink he could last 10 minutes? Besides....Alvin Corneal is known to be a huge fan of Hardest. But Anton does overrule he faddah and all wit he bias self ent?
Josh Johnson.....Who?
pacheco is fit from my knowledge and would be an excellent replacement at the left back, he is much more capable than akile edwards
noray is a good left winger and forward, he was doing well for a long time but never got the chance, once again, if corneal doesn't select noray, its not going to hurt jack because there was no uproar from anyone recently saying noray not getting selected.
guerra from all reports and from my own observations is much better than hyland, however guerra had an injury which i believe he has recovered from, he still got the shaft on the national team, corneal brought up guerra to make himself look good when in fact he is responsible for his downfall.
sancho, well according to many its jw, ok fair enough but corneal not rushing to select him either
dwarika is not there to take latas place but to provide the necessary back up, because we have no other attacking mids other than whitley who could be defined as a defensive mid
theobald played garbage for the few games maturana saw him, however previous coaches and latas himself knows the talent and skill someone possesses, scotland hasn't played well in God knows how long but is given the chance again to perform, hence the US match, so why not theobald, wim made him captain in the digicel and he stood out, a few bad games doesnt mean a player is a shitsnake
jemmott could last 45 plus, last i heard he was doing well with cale but his contract expired, now hes shopping for another team, and it wasn't corneal who picked him it was wim from what I have come to know, last time i checked anton corneal is his own man.
yea josh johnson, you know the speedy right winger, that can dribble and pass, the one who should be second to edwards on the right
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it was mentioned during de broadcast of the T&T - USA game that we used (someone correct meh if ah wrong) 39 players in the campaing so far, more that any other team in CONCACAF .
We could use 139 players. It go still have peeps who eh go be happy and go find somebody to blame.
where is that post of yours Palos that mentions a team of all the players people would want :rotfl: :rotfl:
I cyar find it
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it was mentioned during de broadcast of the T&T - USA game that we used (someone correct meh if ah wrong) 39 players in the campaing so far, more that any other team in CONCACAF .
We could use 139 players. It go still have peeps who eh go be happy and go find somebody to blame.
where is that post of yours Palos that mentions a team of all the players people would want :rotfl: :rotfl:
I cyar find it
lets see palos list, it may open pandora's box
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it was mentioned during de broadcast of the T&T - USA game that we used (someone correct meh if ah wrong) 39 players in the campaing so far, more that any other team in CONCACAF .
We could use 139 players. It go still have peeps who eh go be happy and go find somebody to blame.
where is that post of yours Palos that mentions a team of all the players people would want :rotfl: :rotfl:
I cyar find it
lets see palos list, it may open pandora's box
OK found it,
but it is not as provocative as I first made it out to be
my bad, On De Block ;D ;D
I hope he start.
And den go rock back to check de site fuh some a dese same posters comments if GOD forbid, he doh have a good game.
TTFF cyah ever win wit we fans. We want 4 strikers, 8 midfielders, 10 defenders and 2 goalie every game.....except...de rules say only 11 could be on a field at de same time. If only dem rules didn't apply to we alone, we might jes have dis world beatin team some a we seem to think we have.