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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Feliziano on November 10, 2008, 09:04:07 PM
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Let we hear bout players who were real good at Club level but for whatever reason never lit up games played at the International level.
My picks are Ian Wright probably cause he never got a consistent sequence of games for England
and Dugarry from France cause he was a 1 in 10 finisher, same like Andy Cole.
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Paul Robinson (England)
Densil Theobald (I doh care, I fighting that down to the last)
Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Sweden)
Abel Xavier (shithound squared)
Carlos Ruiz (just for spite)
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Densil Theobald (I doh care, I fighting that down to the last)
Which club was he real good at?
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Densil Theobald (I doh care, I fighting that down to the last)
Which club was he real good at?
Gamblers in John John
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Paul Robinson (England)
Densil Theobald (I doh care, I fighting that down to the last)Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Sweden)
Abel Xavier (shithound squared)
Carlos Ruiz (just for spite)
Boy ACB....rock so eh boy....ah matter ah fact...rock so with interest. Before yuh talk bout men like Wise or Cox, yuh want to play yuh calling out de yute man. I not saying Theobald doh disappoint me sometimes, but yuh wrong to say dat he fail at de international level
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I not saying Theobald doh disappoint me sometimes, but yuh wrong to say dat he fail at de international level
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birchall is the complete opposite
good fuh we but shit fuh club
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Densill Theobald, Kerwin Jemmott, Brent Rahim, Nicolas Anelka, Thierry Henry, Gary Neville, Patrick Onstad, Derek King, Sean Julien, Jason Scotland, Silvio Spann and Hayden Thomas.
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Somehow this thread sounding like it come up sometime last year or two years ago. :-\
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kerry baptiste....
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Nigel 'Pistol' Pierre
Josh Johnson
Jean Pierre Papan
I was going to include Aklie Edwards, but then again, he doh star out for he club.
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Paul Robinson (England)
Densil Theobald (I doh care, I fighting that down to the last)
Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Sweden)
Abel Xavier (shithound squared)
Carlos Ruiz (just for spite)
Abel Xavier is only a snake in his old age. Fail at Everton, looked shite in MLS...but from what I've seen, at his peak he was good for Portugal. De man real hold it dong for Portugal in Euro 2000.
Zlatan too young to be on that list, especially since he rip in Euro 2004. Injuries hamper him in Wc 2006. CYah remember what was his story in Euro 2008.
I going with Roberto Mancini. Destroy for Samp and Lazio. Didn't do too much for Italy when he got the chance.
Same with his strike partner Vialli.
Marco Van Basten. Made his name in Euro 88, and then after that was pure toots for Holland in big tournaments. Culdn't hit the side of a barn in WC 1990. Needed to score a single goal in Euro 92 to break Holland's Euro record. Missed chance after chance and was completely outshone by a young and upcoming Dennis Bergkamp. Score a total of 1 goal from a penalty in something like 9 games in major tournaments after Euro 88.
Totti won a WC with Italy but he was crap..coming off an injury so kinda harsh...but he really never shine for Italy. Euro 2004 anyone?
i wouldn't say these fellas fail. there is more to international football than big tournaments. but as that is all i relly getting to see of these fellas save the odd friendly here and there..i would have to say they disappointed..especially when you look at their club form
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Denilson fuh Brazil.
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Densil Theobald (I doh care, I fighting that down to the last)
Which club was he real good at?
arrow ah fully endorse that!!!! :beermug: :beermug:
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Paul Robinson (England)
Densil Theobald (I doh care, I fighting that down to the last)
Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Sweden)
Abel Xavier (shithound squared)
Carlos Ruiz (just for spite)
but he is lala for he club too, d man ALWAYS goes missing in the big games!!!! and we go prove it next week saturday too when we storm d san siro. he go be in giorgio & legro back pocket
but to add to d original topic,
i go hadda throw my boy Del Piero name into the hat sadly!!! as much as he is king in black & white he never really shine for the azzuri.
Luca toni is a nex 1, good for he club but one potsnake for italy.
and if allyuh takin dem in combos we cud put gerard and lampard in dey together or as individuals!!
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Denilson fuh Brazil.
disappoint at club level too
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Everybody on Chelski- except for the African players! ;D
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Everybody on Chelski- except for the African players! ;D
Cech - disappointment - agree.
Belletti - what International level?
Alex - pigeon sweat here and there.
Carvalho - outstanding.
Deco - outstanding.
Ballack - outstanding.
England players - You can lump them altogether, while singling out Lampard and Joe Cole. Joe Cole is outstanding for both club and country. Lampard is a disappointment alongside Gerrad. The rest of them are average, and their performance reviews are based on how the English team performs on any given day - which is tantamount to flipping a coin.
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Nigel 'Pistol' Pierre
Josh Johnson
Jean Pierre Papan
I was going to include Aklie Edwards, but then again, he doh star out for he club.
Papin failed at international level? you mean in terms of failing to qualify for the world cup?
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Everybody on Chelski- except for the African players! ;D
Cech - disappointment - agree.
Belletti - what International level?
Alex - pigeon sweat here and there.
Carvalho - outstanding.
Deco - outstanding.
Ballack - outstanding.
England players - You can lump them altogether, while singling out Lampard and Joe Cole. Joe Cole is outstanding for both club and country. Lampard is a disappointment alongside Gerrad. The rest of them are average, and their performance reviews are based on how the English team performs on any given day - which is tantamount to flipping a coin.
wham..yuh doh like Bosingwa and Anelka or wha? I know dey have african roots, but come on ;D
doh agree w. Cech. One poor Euro. He was outstanding in Euro 2004 and yuh can't fault him for Czech R. poor showing in WC 2006. Plus de man is 26 years old. For a keeper..dat is a yute with plenty of his career still ahead of him. :beermug:
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Nigel 'Pistol' Pierre
Josh Johnson
Jean Pierre Papan
I was going to include Aklie Edwards, but then again, he doh star out for he club.
Papin failed at international level? you mean in terms of failing to qualify for the world cup?
Doh remember too much about Papin for France, but he did play in WC 1986. Started the opening game against Canada and play real mess. Ride pine after that. Doh even think a get a small corbeaux after that, as France made it all the way to the semis.
Nobody call Rai yet
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The only reason I disappointed in Cech is because he is supposed to be the best keeper in the world alongside Casillias and Buffon, but he makes mistakes in big games - and moreso in the last two years.
Bosingwa - Born in The Congo, and could possibly make starting right back on any team in Europe. Club or National.
Anelka - Compared to club level - a disappointment. Didn't even make the WC squad if I recall correctly, and definitely didn't impact Euro 08, two times when he should be at the peak of his career.
Rai yes!! - the man did win a WC winners medal, albeit from the bench ... I just get a flashback to collecting football photos from chewing gum wrappers back in 1990. I think that Rai was more or less overshadowed by his brother's brilliance, rather than his own shortcomings. He wouldve always been shitty compared to Socrates.
... ALMOST forget what I came here for though.
What about David Nakhid?
I think disappointment!!
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Nigel 'Pistol' Pierre
Josh Johnson
Jean Pierre Papan
I was going to include Aklie Edwards, but then again, he doh star out for he club.
Papin failed at international level? you mean in terms of failing to qualify for the world cup?
Doh remember too much about Papin for France, but he did play in WC 1986. Started the opening game against Canada and play real mess. Ride pine after that. Doh even think a get a small corbeaux after that, as France made it all the way to the semis.
Nobody call Rai yet
I meant in reference to the fact that he was considered the star of the group that failed to qualify for 90 and 94 as opposed to being one of the younger players on the 86 squad.
it seems to me that he used to score plenty goals for france (which is what strikers ultimately get judged by) so that seems like the only criterion you could rate him as a failure. If anything he was a disappointment with Milan. but das just how I remember it.
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Nigel 'Pistol' Pierre
Josh Johnson
Jean Pierre Papan
I was going to include Aklie Edwards, but then again, he doh star out for he club.
Papin failed at international level? you mean in terms of failing to qualify for the world cup?
Doh remember too much about Papin for France, but he did play in WC 1986. Started the opening game against Canada and play real mess. Ride pine after that. Doh even think a get a small corbeaux after that, as France made it all the way to the semis.
Nobody call Rai yet
I meant in reference to the fact that he was considered the star of the group that failed to qualify for 90 and 94 as opposed to being one of the younger players on the 86 squad.
it seems to me that he used to score plenty goals for france (which is what strikers ultimately get judged by) so that seems like the only criterion you could rate him as a failure. If anything he was a disappointment with Milan. but das just how I remember it.
yeah..my post was in agreement wit yuh
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Bertille other stepson...Shurland David
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Any Italian and Portugese forward, any English goalie, any french defender.
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Giggsy ... yuh name and yuh post remind me of a certain team that is part of Great Britian/ Britian/ UK (I think dem fellas still figuring it out on the next thread).
How about the WHOLE Welsh team for major disappointment.
Dem fellas had one of the biggest bomb squads assembled and couldnt get a peep in the WC.
While we at it ... how about Bruce Grobbelar.
Big Big keeper for Liverpool .... but salt for Zimbabwe.
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Any Italian and Portugese forward, any English goalie, any french defender.
over what time period?
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Giggsy ... yuh name and yuh post remind me of a certain team that is part of Great Britian/ Britian/ UK (I think dem fellas still figuring it out on the next thread).
i like it. de inter thread shout. we done over dey :devil:
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Paul Robinson (England)
Densil Theobald (I doh care, I fighting that down to the last)
Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Sweden)
Abel Xavier (shithound squared)
Carlos Ruiz (just for spite)
I think you meant paul rideout who played in italy,top goal scorer for two years straight in the serie a,but for some reason england would never pick him,that baffled me for years.............
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Any Italian and Portugese forward, any English goalie, any french defender.
over what time period?
Modern times.
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Nope, never heard of Paul Rideout before you mentioned his name here.
Definitely talking about Paul Robinson - the keeper - who is reknowned for getting string-up all how.
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Giggsy ... yuh name and yuh post remind me of a certain team that is part of Great Britian/ Britian/ UK (I think dem fellas still figuring it out on the next thread).
i like it. de inter thread shout. we done over dey :devil:
All yuh loss me. Explain.
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Cantona for sure and English wingers in modern times.
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Nope, never heard of Paul Rideout before you mentioned his name here.
Definitely talking about Paul Robinson - the keeper - who is reknowned for getting string-up all how.
Well my bad on robinson,but paul rideout was deadly look it up.....
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Any Italian and Portugese forward, any English goalie, any french defender.
steups...
Luca Toni fail? Wha bout Del Piero?
Baggio anyone?
Thuram, Desailly, Lizarazu, Blanc, Sagnol, Gallas.. dem fail too?
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Any Italian and Portugese forward, any English goalie, any french defender.
steups...
Luca Toni fail? Wha bout Del Piero?
Baggio anyone?
Thuram, Desailly, Lizarazu, Blanc, Sagnol, Gallas.. dem fail too?
I later clarified by saying modern day. Toni thro ways, Gallas plays shit. Sagnol maybe. Del Piero, Desailly, Lizarazu, Blanc does still get pick??
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Any Italian and Portugese forward, any English goalie, any french defender.
steups...
Luca Toni fail? Wha bout Del Piero?
Baggio anyone?
Thuram, Desailly, Lizarazu, Blanc, Sagnol, Gallas.. dem fail too?
I later clarified by saying modern day. Toni thro ways, Gallas plays shit. Sagnol maybe. Del Piero, Desailly, Lizarazu, Blanc does still get pick??
Modern day, the way i interpret it could mean anything from the early 90s till present...
but anyhow.. Didnt Toni score the goals to fire Italy to a world cup victory?
Didn't Gallas and Sagnol help take France to a world cup final against all odds?
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Any Italian and Portugese forward, any English goalie, any french defender.
steups...
Luca Toni fail? Wha bout Del Piero?
Baggio anyone?
Thuram, Desailly, Lizarazu, Blanc, Sagnol, Gallas.. dem fail too?
I later clarified by saying modern day. Toni thro ways, Gallas plays shit. Sagnol maybe. Del Piero, Desailly, Lizarazu, Blanc does still get pick??
Modern day, the way i interpret it could mean anything from the early 90s till present...
but anyhow.. Didnt Toni score the goals to fire Italy to a world cup victory?
Didn't Gallas and Sagnol help take France to a world cup final against all odds?
Interpret how ever you wish. Sagnol is a very good player. I still stand by my opinion regarding Gallas and Toni.
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Cantona dey must b revoke he French passport
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kenwyne jones.
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one or two of them might be here. This kinda jokey though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qloK5CFCKGQ
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ammmmmm!?!?!? Palos and Patriot I'm very disappointed to say the least.
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Certainly Stephen Ireland...bastard (not necesarilly when he plays, but what he has done Internationally, if you know what I mean)
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Colin Rocke
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Any Italian and Portugese forward, any English goalie, any french defender.
steups...
Luca Toni fail? Wha bout Del Piero?
Baggio anyone?
Thuram, Desailly, Lizarazu, Blanc, Sagnol, Gallas.. dem fail too?
I later clarified by saying modern day. Toni thro ways, Gallas plays shit. Sagnol maybe. Del Piero, Desailly, Lizarazu, Blanc does still get pick??
Modern day, the way i interpret it could mean anything from the early 90s till present...
but anyhow.. Didnt Toni score the goals to fire Italy to a world cup victory?
Didn't Gallas and Sagnol help take France to a world cup final against all odds?
Yeah. Dat is how I interpret modern day. That's whay I asked what period giggsy hinting at. The nature of the thread seem more suited for de older players anyway, since it premature to say a current play has already failed.
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Onandi Lowe...the man had all de tools to be ah big time player but he was ah head case.
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Giggsy ... yuh name and yuh post remind me of a certain team that is part of Great Britian/ Britian/ UK (I think dem fellas still figuring it out on the next thread).
How about the WHOLE Welsh team for major disappointment.
Dem fellas had one of the biggest bomb squads assembled and couldnt get a peep in the WC.
While we at it ... how about Bruce Grobbelar.
Big Big keeper for Liverpool .... but salt for Zimbabwe.
ah know allyuh men followin more ball than me, but I wonder what's your opinion of Terry. I find it painful to defend(no pun intended) him, I'm sure he is a really good player
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Andy Cole. Never was that fortunate to play in WC for England
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Any Italian and Portugese forward, any English goalie, any french defender.
steups...
Luca Toni fail? Wha bout Del Piero?
Baggio anyone?
Thuram, Desailly, Lizarazu, Blanc, Sagnol, Gallas.. dem fail too?
I later clarified by saying modern day. Toni thro ways, Gallas plays shit. Sagnol maybe. Del Piero, Desailly, Lizarazu, Blanc does still get pick??
Modern day, the way i interpret it could mean anything from the early 90s till present...
but anyhow.. Didnt Toni score the goals to fire Italy to a world cup victory?
Didn't Gallas and Sagnol help take France to a world cup final against all odds?
Yeah. Dat is how I interpret modern day. That's whay I asked what period giggsy hinting at. The nature of the thread seem more suited for de older players anyway, since it premature to say a current play has already failed.
I should have said present day. English is not by first language! ;D
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Giggsy ... yuh name and yuh post remind me of a certain team that is part of Great Britian/ Britian/ UK (I think dem fellas still figuring it out on the next thread).
How about the WHOLE Welsh team for major disappointment.
Dem fellas had one of the biggest bomb squads assembled and couldnt get a peep in the WC.
While we at it ... how about Bruce Grobbelar.
Big Big keeper for Liverpool .... but salt for Zimbabwe.
I feel yuh talking about the Welsh team that failed to qualify or Euro 2004. In modern times, that is the only Welsh squad worth even mentioning. They had an decent team with a few talented players..but let's not get carried away now. They never had one of the biggest bomb squads ever. And they missed out on the finals cuz Italy salt dem. Italy..4 times world champs. I wouldn't say Wales disappoint then..in fcat..they overachieve. If is another Welsh side yuh talking about...my apologies
As for Bruce Grobbelar and Zimbabwe..yuh real good. You are one of the few non-Zimbabweans who might actually be able to claim they saw him play enough for the national team to call him a failure.
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While we at it ... how about Bruce Grobbelar.
Big Big keeper for Liverpool .... but salt for Zimbabwe.
As for Bruce Grobbelar and Zimbabwe..yuh real good. You are one of the few non-Zimbabweans who might actually be able to claim they saw him play enough for the national team to call him a failure.
To be honest, I never saw a full game that Grobbelar played for Zimbabwe ... just highlights and written accounts. I don't think too many non-Zimbabweans could say that they did either.
However, what I do remember was that Grobbelar was King of the goalkeeping castle back in the day when Peter Shilton was ageless and was a dan between the uprights for Liverpool.
Instead of saying salt for Zimbabwe, I shouldve said, never made a name for himself playing for Zimbabwe like he did at Liverpool.
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While we at it ... how about Bruce Grobbelar.
Big Big keeper for Liverpool .... but salt for Zimbabwe.
As for Bruce Grobbelar and Zimbabwe..yuh real good. You are one of the few non-Zimbabweans who might actually be able to claim they saw him play enough for the national team to call him a failure.
To be honest, I never saw a full game that Grobbelar played for Zimbabwe ... just highlights and written accounts. I don't think too many non-Zimbabweans could say that they did either.
However, what I do remember was that Grobbelar was King of the goalkeeping castle back in the day when Peter Shilton was ageless and was a dan between the uprights for Liverpool.
Instead of saying salt for Zimbabwe, I shouldve said, never made a name for himself playing for Zimbabwe like he did at Liverpool.
true. but is it because Grobbelaar was poor..or Zimbabwe whole program was just toots ;D
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true. but is it because Grobbelaar was poor..or Zimbabwe whole program was just toots ;D
Errm .... I think you're right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwe_national_football_team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwe_national_football_team)
...The Zimbabwe national football team, nicknamed The Warriors, is the national team of Zimbabwe and is controlled by the Zimbabwe Football Association. They were known as the Rhodesia national football team until 1980, when Rhodesia became Zimbabwe. They have never qualified for the World Cup finals, and did not qualify for their first African Nations Cup until 2004...
If that's the case though, then what we make of our local legends that never got the opportunity to shine on the International stage?
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true. but is it because Grobbelaar was poor..or Zimbabwe whole program was just toots ;D
Errm .... I think you're right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwe_national_football_team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwe_national_football_team)
...The Zimbabwe national football team, nicknamed The Warriors, is the national team of Zimbabwe and is controlled by the Zimbabwe Football Association. They were known as the Rhodesia national football team until 1980, when Rhodesia became Zimbabwe. They have never qualified for the World Cup finals, and did not qualify for their first African Nations Cup until 2004...
If that's the case though, then what we make of our local legends that never got the opportunity to shine on the International stage?
Nah. I neither right nor wrong, cuz i doh have a clue. Grobbelaar could have been hugely disappointing for his nation. I just was surprised that someone might actually have known. It was an obscure reference given the anonymity of Zimbabwean football. One day we might really read somewhere, or hear that big Bruce didn't handle his stories for his country.