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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Tallman on November 23, 2008, 06:48:36 AM
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Maturana thrilled with CONCACAF draw
By Ian Prescott (Trinidad Express)
It's going to be a tough grind to get to the 2010 FIFA World Cup in South Africa, but Trinidad and Tobago seem to have gotten the chance of a great start with their first two games against teams which, on paper, they have a chance of defeating.
Both T&T's Colombia head coach Francisco Maturana and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) special adviser Jack Warner attended the draw, which took place yesterday in Johannesburg, South Africa. Maturana told TTFF media officer Shaun Fuentes he was elated with the schedule his team got.
"To me, Trinidad and Tobago could not get a better draw than this one and once the team remains focused and gets much needed support from all then we should be in South Africa in 2010. That is how it looks (based) on the schedule and now it is for us to make it happen," said Maturana.
The Soca Warriors begin on February 11 away to El Salvador, before hosting Honduras on March 28. T&T met El Salvador twice in friendly matches, winning a stormy game 3-1 in Washington days before the start of the CONCACAF semi-final round of qualifiers in August.
A locally-based squad also won 1-0 at the Marvin Lee Stadium, Macoya in March.
In 2007, the teams drew another friendly 0-0 in El Salvador, while a depleted T&T line-up lost 2-1 at the 2007 CONCACAF Gold Cup.
Overall, Trinidad and Tobago have won four, lost three and drawn two of nine meetings with El Salvador. And in the only World Cup qualifiers between the countries, the T&T "Strike Squad" won 2-0 at home and drew 0-0 in El Salvador in the 1990 campaign.
"Between now and the first game, the team will undergo the preparations in relation to our schedule. We will try to plan it the best way because this is the final hurdle for Trinidad and Tobago. We now have in front of us the final path to South Africa," added Maturana, who also thanked Warner for keeping faith in him.
Warner, who also had a meeting with former South Africa president Thabo Mbeki yesterday, said on his return to Port of Spain this week, the national team's 2009 programme will be drawn up and finalised accordingly.
It will include warm-up international matches in relation to T&T's World Cup qualifying schedule, as well as a live-in training camp in England.
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MAturana had his run, but i think now is the right time to fire him and put a real coach in charge of T&T if they want to have a real fighting chance to get into 2010 SA. I dont think Maturana could take us there..bring in Sven
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How come Maturana talking plenty now. Even though is in spanish. He used to come across like a pomiewon. I find he confident now.
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How come Maturana talking plenty now. Even though is in spanish. He used to come across like a pomiewon. I find he confident now.
He is now starting to assert himself. I don't believe Anton and Alvin have as much control over him as they did initially. All the best to him and his staff in the final round.
I still prefer Dutch coaches, but I have to look at the big picture, and if we qualify for back to back world cups our football should benefit immensely.
Respect.
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How come Maturana talking plenty now. Even though is in spanish. He used to come across like a pomiewon. I find he confident now.
He is now starting to assert himself. I don't believe Anton and Alvin have as much control over him as they did initially. All the best to him and his staff in the final round.
I still prefer Dutch coaches, but I have to look at the big picture, and if we qualify for back to back world cups our football should benefit immensely.
Respect.
That is the ideal... we must score goals and keep clean sheets, if we do this under this system, then surely we will benefit from both schools of thought... that said though... Kaisoca soccer is not a myth... it is WE BRAND...
watch de man on de wing...AYE!!!
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I agree wid Warrior. Mexico will be getting rid of Sven. Mexico is ready to go further than they think they will wid Sven. They are pedigree.
T&T will have benefited from Maturana's approach....he is a developmental coach! But for the big time...he aren't able! Let's not wait until the going gets really tough to say we changing him.
T&T must be prepared to bring in Sven....forget all the niceties...this is a rough and tough business.
Sven will accept after all the headache we gave him in 2006!
Luv U T&T!
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I agree wid Warrior. Mexico will be getting rid of Sven. Mexico is ready to go further than they think they will wid Sven. They are pedigree.
T&T will have benefited from Maturana's approach....he is a developmental coach! But for the big time...he aren't able! Let's not wait until the going gets really tough to say we changing him.
T&T must be prepared to bring in Sven....forget all the niceties...this is a rough and tough business.
Sven will accept after all the headache we gave him in 2006!
Luv U T&T!
Yuh think jack take him all the way to south africa tuh fire him! keep dreaming bout sven, yuh think he want work for jack, further more yuh think he want to coach players on such a low level. he going and coach one ah dem scandanavian countries.
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So let me get this ...we fire our coach who got us to the next round comfortably and pick instead a coach who Mexico most likely to dump ? ..way sah ! since Sven leave england dey beating people by many goals .... why allyuh eh call for capello instead ?
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Respectfully fellahs, this replace Maturana talk is bullshit. Replacing him with Sven is even more bullshit. Sven? Somebody say 'frying pan' ah next man go bawl 'fire', coz dahis wha dat jump would be all about.
Lehwe enjoy some semblance of calm and normalcy nah man ... de static wid de 'quasi-blacklist/some players standing firm against de offer (understandably so)' ting done provocative enough as it is ... I say we approaching a point of consolidation as far as coaching and personnel ... we done know wha we dealing wid and all involved understand de conditions ...
Mexico's best move is to accord Sven 2, possibly 3, more games at a minimum. At that time firing talk should be revisited ... ah not being charitable and ah not being 'partisan' ... dahis ah objective read ... on de real, what outcome dey expected given where dey sourced Sven and de time he's been in the job ... dey might as well had kept Hugo if dey screw around and fire Sven now ... nah, not even ... dey might as well had kept Chucho Ramirez... or make a fervent bid for Aguirre from Atl. Madrid.
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Sven iz ah money hungry bastard...d fella have brain. YUh aint see d CLAUSES he does put in he contracts....but Jack iz d only man i see who could outfox he...let he stay where he iz...ah goe settle with Maturana.....
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Me eh bring in Swen because dat is nonesense but 2 sayin dat we reach d next comfortably iz as much nonesense serious SOS had 2 b sent 4 d 06 team so dat eh comfortably.
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rel men have crystal ball boy , i think i need one too
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If shit was sugar all yuh wouda sweeten all yuh tea wid it? ;D ;D
I say leave de man for de Hex although I ain't too fond of him ::) ::)
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Why we don't like Maturana? Because he don't speak english or is it that he don't communicate thru the media the way we would like. Let's be real even thou we kinda doh like he style.
He has giving us result thus far, now I'm not sure about some of his decision in the pass with players selections but we made it to the hex right on ah limb. Ok let's fire him now before he geh we ah heart attack this rounds before thee next game. He does act like ah stupidee. I say if we could get somebody better, leh he ride. Like somebody say this is ah business, like we owe he something? Boi Pacho go from here and go mine yuh donkey eh, we gehing Sven fuh de hex. ;D
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Why people still hating on Matas?
We got into the final round comfortably, given all the distractions that we had.
we need at least 4 pts from our first two games, although if we get 2pts, it wouldnt be that bad!!
ah love it!!
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let it be known, I hatin on Sven ever since... Please no..He is ah uncoach...he dun make Lions go veggie..he nearly make the tricolor tun blue....unless we bring him to coach we Govt ministers, send he to coach the same league Dale Mitchell should be, house league....Don't touch nothing yet, we may not like how this man operate, but we in.
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Hmm Trini people eh bet dey unfriggin grateful nah. De man try he bess to expose some ah de yutes dat ha to fill de void when latas an yorkie dem gone. He put faith in Akile (who we all believe need improvement) and helping to build the confidence of other youth players. Despite the start of the last round we did finish comfortably. Why de hell allyuh want to bring een ah man who had some of the best players in the world and couldn't get them to score, to now coach our team? I glad me eh know allyuh personally nah because allyuh (de ones who talking de mos cuntishness in here) would hate me fuh as much cunt as I would be callin allyuh!
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like u nuh understand.... is nuh da de people ungratefull.... everyone happy for de job da he has done..... but i think all here would have expected us to make it to the hex after our showing in the last world cup......
I jus really not convinced by him..... i feel like de results are because of the attitude and desire of the players... i dont think Maturana did anything to improve our football..... he may have helped develop our youngsters but can you say we honestly playin better ball dan before???
dat being said it eh really make no sense gettin rid of maturana now.... bringin in a new coach now might be too late ... so lewee jus hope maturana have wa it takes to see we thru.....
bless
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Hmm Trini people eh bet dey unfriggin grateful nah. De man try he bess to expose some ah de yutes dat ha to fill de void when latas an yorkie dem gone. He put faith in Akile (who we all believe need improvement) and helping to build the confidence of other youth players. Despite the start of the last round we did finish comfortably. Why de hell allyuh want to bring een ah man who had some of the best players in the world and couldn't get them to score, to now coach our team? I glad me eh know allyuh personally nah because allyuh (de ones who talking de mos cuntishness in here) would hate me fuh as much cunt as I would be callin allyuh!
He doing we ah fava or wha? Is pay he getting to get us to the WC, you have to be joking about ungrateful. The man was hired to do a job and some people feel that though it in motion it not good enough. If you paying for a product then you have all rights to complain about the quality. You could eat chicken foot or chicken breast.
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I can understand some of us don't like Pacho. For me, the verdict is still out. One main problem I have with Pacho's team is the slow start. They need to start quicker. We will get kill if we continue playing like that. We are not Brazil(well, maybe when we play, Guyana, Antigua).
One positive is the emergence of Akile and Daniel. If these teo guys work harder to improve their game, it will be a great boost for the much beleagured mid-field and wing back positions.
Some men here calling for Sven. All yuh eat jerk cobo or what? That would just upset the entire chemistry of the team. New coach, new approach. The only positive thing is he can speak English. That is not a good reason to pick Sven.
Learn Spanish or Die, Anglophones!!!!!!!!!!!
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Emergence of AKILE YUH SAY sure u jest. Man lickin dey chops waitin on he in d HEX
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Where is the loyalty....if not now...then when... :beermug:
We went from getting an ass kicking from Bermuda,thanks to Jackassness,to making the Hex and people calling to ax the coach,wake up people another coach coming with a different plan and this is no time to be starting ......WAKE UP ....give up the bad juice allyou drinking
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Where is the loyalty....if not now...then when... :beermug:
We went from getting an ass kicking from Bermuda,thanks to Jackassness,to making the Hex and people calling to ax the coach,wake up people another coach coming with a different plan and this is no time to be starting ......WAKE UP ....give up the bad juice allyou drinking
Who was coaching all that mess?
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Matters not dat was a bump in d road we qualify comfortably 4 d hex. Dey 4get how man was on pins and needles dat wk on d board man was watchin Eurocup and cussin Stern.
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Who was coaching all that mess?
Oh learned one,how quickly we forget,it was not until the return game in Bermuda that we saw that some of the blacklisted players return,now surely you cannot want to extend the blame on such a fiasco on the coach,can you,it would be a serious miscarrage of justice if your view is upheld.......JACKASSNESS....again.. :rotfl:
Its always easy to blame someone else,if we look into the mirror surely we will see where the blame lies
JAH....Bless...No ...Man ...Curse
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Yes after d blacklist was listed SJ get text sayin doh come. Birchall takin 2 Cuba get sick and was told adios, DL scrubb bench v USA. Ince after d 1st Bermuda game was not seen. So who was 2 blame for all dem niceness.
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Who was coaching all that mess?
Oh learned one,how quickly we forget,it was not until the return game in Bermuda that we saw that some of the blacklisted players return,now surely you cannot want to extend the blame on such a fiasco on the coach,can you,it would be a serious miscarrage of justice if your view is upheld.......JACKASSNESS....again.. :rotfl:
Its always easy to blame someone else,if we look into the mirror surely we will see where the blame lies
JAH....Bless...No ...Man ...Curse
BREDS i was there for the bermuda game, the man coaching was suspect! imagine he played scotland and stern in the middle, two men with similar styles, scotland for the whole game over shadow stern and couldn't run pass those inept slow clumsy bermudans.
and to make matters worst scotland was not fully fit according to small mag, he just came off of stomach surgery.
ssttuueeppps.
he then left ah sick slow inept player on the pitch and subbed ah fit player to bring in ah rookie midfielder in stephen david, while leaving ah fit quick capable striker (daryl Roberts) to ride pine !
boy how the crowd cuss and carry on as the minuites ticked by. "why the hell he doh take off scotland and bring on robbie" cried the faithful massive in attendance close to the side lines.
the fella start with 3 defenders and concede two hurry goals,then he played telesford ah damn good defender as ah midfielder , mind you telesford who is ah better defender than , cyd, avery , and hislop, was excluded from the defence for ancil farrier, kareem smith and makkan, but the man just keep playing the bredder out of position, ah task that the bredder cant handle.
he keep leaving daryl on the bench for stern , Glenn, and scotty, mind you this youth have every thing over them strikers , he have speed, positioning sense, an eye for goal, awareness and is ah better finisher than any other striker on the team to date, and to add insult to injury he plays on ah higher level, but the boy always on the bench or off the team.
telesford , guerra, Roberts, Avery, peltier, Julius ,Glenn are all getting shaffed by this kakahole and his lackey, it's almost unbearable to watch.
he needs to shape up or ship the fack out. we coulda make the hex with ah Savannah coach breds, that's how much quality the team have, his input was minimal to say the least.
he jack and the corneals are toxic elements to our football's progress, they need to ride out and let shaka , yorke and latas run the show!
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Amber alert somebody highjack jc password.
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Who was coaching all that mess?
Oh learned one,how quickly we forget,it was not until the return game in Bermuda that we saw that some of the blacklisted players return,now surely you cannot want to extend the blame on such a fiasco on the coach,can you,it would be a serious miscarrage of justice if your view is upheld.......JACKASSNESS....again.. :rotfl:
Its always easy to blame someone else,if we look into the mirror surely we will see where the blame lies
JAH....Bless...No ...Man ...Curse
Dude I not talking about team selection, I am talking about the shyte tactics which was and is still been employed by the coach. Since you talking about Bermuda, we should be able to dimiss that team even if we put Jabloteh or some other PFL team on the field. Our tactics or lack thereof the coaching been using is basic at best, there are u-18 boys team who play more complicated tactics than we do.
We have shown consistently that in going forward we have no true plan on how to get behind defense or to pull defenders out of shape. The goals we score happened, they were not build ups ending in goals, I mean a goal is a goal, but at some point you have to be able to point out a pattern of play. With us there is no real pattern other than "lets hope".
Even if we get to SA playing this way I still would not be happy. I will celebrate the achievement but not game as I have stated before. Think about getting to the WC and being drawn in the same bracket we did like the last time or switch places with the USA bracket, how do you fancy your chances then. Are you one of then that just want the opportunity to say I was there no matter the cost to the development of our game?
We will always be scrambling cause we do not hold the coaching staff to a higher level of demand in what we expect from the team on the field.
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Tactics not impt all we need is d win how it happen not impt just d win
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Is amazing how we have short memories. Poterfield got us to the hex. Look what happened to him and us in the hex.
Bertille got us to the hex. Look what happened to him in the hex.
Pacho take us to the hex. Lets see what happen to him and us in the hex.
The Hex is de best of the best. We can not continue to play poor football and expect to keep getting good results. Eventually the law of averages will come calling. I am not calling for Pacho to be fired. I am still neutral about him. I just think that all de people who using timing as a reason not to fire him have no case. We brought in Beenie in the 4th game of the Hex in 2005 and we won 4 of the last 7 games. For those who think he shouldn't be fired come up with a better reason than timing.
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merely by asserting Beenie's arrival late in the Hex, you kinda undercut yuh own position dey
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merely by asserting Beenie's arrival late in the Hex, you kinda undercut yuh own position dey
Maybe yuh could explain how ah do dat?
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Law of averges done ketch we v Ber so we safe 4 d rest of d qualifiers
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We brought in Beenie in the 4th game of the Hex in 2005 and we won 4 of the last 7 games. For those who think he shouldn't be fired come up with a better reason than timing.
I have a better reason than timing. How about winning. :)
How about setting goals and meeting them. Football as you now is a results business. Matu have results at least you could admit that.
So even if the man's tactics is suspect and i agree with that. Let's at least be fair to the man. We are winning.
As far as I could remember T&T has never made it to the Hex with glory in view. It has always been a struggle for us. So why you want to fire a winning coach? Because of what, Bermuda? Ah USA game we would have lost anyway? Stern John on the bench? He cyah speak English? The players rebelling against his leadership? What
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We struggle under Potters and beat Mexico b4 d hex?
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Is amazing how we have short memories. Poterfield got us to the hex. Look what happened to him and us in the hex.
Bertille got us to the hex. Look what happened to him in the hex.
Pacho take us to the hex. Lets see what happen to him and us in the hex.
The Hex is de best of the best. We can not continue to play poor football and expect to keep getting good results. Eventually the law of averages will come calling. I am not calling for Pacho to be fired. I am still neutral about him. I just think that all de people who using timing as a reason not to fire him have no case. We brought in Beenie in the 4th game of the Hex in 2005 and we won 4 of the last 7 games. For those who think he shouldn't be fired come up with a better reason than timing.
We brought in Beenie in the 4th game of the Hex in 2005 and we won 4 of the last 7 games. For those who think he shouldn't be fired come up with a better reason than timing.
I have a better reason than timing. How about winning. :)
How about setting goals and meeting them. Football as you now is a results business. Matu have results at least you could admit that.
So even if the man's tactics is suspect and i agree with that. Let's at least be fair to the man. We are winning.
As far as I could remember T&T has never made it to the Hex with glory in view. It has always been a struggle for us. So why you want to fire a winning coach? Because of what, Bermuda? Ah USA game we would have lost anyway? Stern John on the bench? He cyah speak English? The players rebelling against his leadership? What
Read my post again bredda. I never called for him to be fired. I was responding to people who say he shouldn't get fired because it would be bad timing. The point I was making is that using the timing issue as a reason why he shouldn't be fired is not valid. Beenie proved that you can switch coaches much later and still be successful.
As for yuh point about winning I addressed that as well. Bertille and Poterfield were winning too until we get to the hex.
I agree with you that Pacho is winning right now. Would you agree with me that we are not playing well? Eventually how we play and the results we get will start to match each other. Sometimes winning can mask many flaws a team has especially against weaker opponents. That I think is what is concerning to a lot of us fans. I am willing to give Pacho two games into the Hex before I call for him to be fired. If we don't have at least 4 points from our first two games then I say off with his head.
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All I have to say is if Yorke, Latas, Brichall and Stern didn’t come back, we would not have been discussing this issue right now. Maturana have no idea of who to play and when to play certain players. I wouldn’t be shocked if de mack buss, with who really picking the squad fuh games. I don't see anything as "great" in the teams play, prior to Lasta's and them coming here. Tell me of any games, where we totally dominated the game except the practice match in DC against El Salvador. Is not Pacho who all of ah sudden devise some new scheme or special brand of football fuh we team.
Our players are the one’s who battle to de hex. After the game in Guatemala and US game Yorke do ah post game interview and ent never mention Maturan’s name. What alyuh talking about? Alyuh who know de football, know de man cah coach. People just glad we in de hex. So man talking about leave him deh. Alyuh like bun belly. If we cah fine nobody better, then leh we keep de man, if Beenie come callin. Talk done. ;)
Now we here in de last lap alyuh want to ride on ah donkey. No Sah! We need ah horse.
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Law of averges done ketch we v Ber so we safe 4 d rest of d qualifiers
Sarcasm somehow does not translate well when written. Having seen all de qualifier games ah with yuh!!! How could we loose and we beating people like de US and Cuba. Not to mention that we draw with Guatemala with ten men. All praises to Pacho. Which team in de Hex could beat we under his great leadership???
Blessing
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Law of averges done ketch we v Ber so we safe 4 d rest of d qualifiers
Sarcasm somehow does not translate well when written. Having seen all de qualifier games ah with yuh!!! How could we loose and we beating people like de US and Cuba. Not to mention that we draw with Guatemala with ten men. All praises to Pacho. Which team in de Hex could beat we under his great leadership???
I'll just say this,football is all about matchups....................
Blessing
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merely by asserting Beenie's arrival late in the Hex, you kinda undercut yuh own position dey
Maybe yuh could explain how ah do dat?
Yeah man.
Is amazing how we have short memories. Poterfield got us to the hex. Look what happened to him and us in the hex.
Bertille got us to the hex. Look what happened to him in the hex.
Pacho take us to the hex. Lets see what happen to him and us in the hex.
The Hex is de best of the best. We can not continue to play poor football and expect to keep getting good results. Eventually the law of averages will come calling. I am not calling for Pacho to be fired. I am still neutral about him. I just think that all de people who using timing as a reason not to fire him have no case. We brought in Beenie in the 4th game of the Hex in 2005 and we won 4 of the last 7 games. For those who think he shouldn't be fired come up with a better reason than timing.
You disavow timing as material in an analysis of the retention, dismissal or hiring of a coach, but in the next sentence point out that despite Beenie's 'subsequent/late/eventual' arrival, we still managed to qualify for the WC.
Ent (among other things) yuh saying there's still time to make a coaching change without prejudicing a successful WC qualifying campaign? Some men simply saying, now is not de time to geh rid a de man because of de effect it could have ... nobody knows fuh sure ... just like nobody knew fuh sure that Beenie would mash up de dance ... at that time that decision was viewed as a better decision than not acting. At this time, izza a similar evaluation.
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In my comments regarding Sven, I noted it would be precipitous of Mexico to dislodge him now, and that he should be given 2 or 3 matches into the Hex. My position with respect to Pacho is similar. Indeed, that would place us in a similar situation as what went down with Beenhakker (the observation you made) ... which my friend, is rooted in timing.
Moreover, how do you expect to overcome your stated neutrality, other than by affording him further time in the position?
Ent by saying yuh 'still neutral" yuh feel so until yuh feel otherwise ... until other info is presented? Where yuh plan on gehhin that info if yuh doh apply more time in the position? Dahis a mater of timing. It cyah be that yuh waiting fuh somebody to unearth a novel perspective on de games that have all been dissected aplenty already?
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Now, beyond that, I have honed in on the first couple match days: El Salvador away and Honduras at home. With respect to Honduras, I like the match up of Pacho versus Rueda (they know each other reasonably well). As far as Carlos de los Cobos, it's a challenging proposition because he's getting entrenched with them, but it's fair to say El Salvador has been less challenged in qualifying than we have. We've played them fairly frequently and what?, a couple times this year and late last year? Sufficient assignments for Pacho. We're competitive with them.
If Pacho survives and we end up in a playoff situation, Pacho has experience in that context that may be useful.
Yeah, iz plenty folly went down since Bermuda ... ah see that ... but the question to be answered now is ... is there more to be gained or lost by gehhin rid of Pacho now (timing pardner)? How do we assess the net answer to that question?
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I agree with you that Pacho is winning right now. Would you agree with me that we are not playing well? Eventually how we play and the results we get will start to match each other. Sometimes winning can mask many flaws a team has especially against weaker opponents. That I think is what is concerning to a lot of us fans. I am willing to give Pacho two games into the Hex before I call for him to be fired. If we don't have at least 4 points from our first two games then I say off with his head.
Yeah I agree with you dey. If we keep up that brand we are in trouble. However, i am quietly confident that we will improve and make the necessary corrections to the team. Also if there is a team yet to peek i feel T&T might be it. We have a very strong team now (When all hands on deck). Could you imagine a ready KJ and a hungry Stern. Here nah NUFF, it ent have no shithound coach that gonna make them fellas give up come the Hex. And at the end all you could ask for is the best from the players and i think everybody on the same page with that. Very interesting post pardnar.