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Alyuh know it was coming. "Fire Maturana now" All who think he need to ride out now post yuh comments leh we hear yuh frustration about this fool we have as a coach and why he should be fired.
If we had Latas and Yorke with Brichall we may have won the digicel right, so that means the coach is a non-factor.
4/4/2009
Well we get three hot ones from the Americans. We are now last place on the charts with 2 points. Their are still people who believe that this mad man Maturana aka cobo man must continue to experiment with our Soca Worriers national team. :thinking: Have we given up or are we going to put a stop to this madness with our voices??? Post your frustrations about this coach on this tread FAST!
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Palos
lewwe see wha yuh have... ;D
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Francisco Maturana should be given the chance to resign if he refuse fire him.....!!!!!! !! when he selected the team for the DCC he said
“This is the best team that we have available with the majority being home-based players.”
Now time to die by these words
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We can't make it thru the Hex with with that mess.
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Palos
lewwe see wha yuh have... ;D
I find peeps should be celebratin. Peeps get what dey want now. If T&T did make Gold Cup, what incentive there woulda be to get rid of Maturana?
Early Christmas gift...no?
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Palos
lewwe see wha yuh have... ;D
I find peeps should be celebratin. Peeps get what dey want now. If T&T did make Gold Cup, what incentive there woulda be to get rid of Maturana?
Early Christmas gift...no?
Like clock work 8)
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Steups....he wasn't fired after the Bermuda fiasco and he got us to the hex....what we firing him for now??
All hail the corbeaux!!.... :notworthy: ::) ::)
Pass de popcorn!!...
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Obviously the inclusion of our best foreign based players will produce better results. However considering the lack of organisation of the defense ,coordination in the attack and the ability to even maintain possession indicates a lack of preparation. Not just in this tournament but throughout the Colombian's tenure with our National Team. Not withstanding the fact that he is being influenced by a dunce his tactical decisions on match day leave a lot to be desired. It often seems that there is no plan at all and players are left to wing it until something positive happens.
I think Maturana is a lucky goat.
Even a local based T&T team should properly deal with the likes of Grenada and Bermuda (this match is conveniently forgotten by the Maturana hatchet men). The fact is the critical results that we thankfully achieved this year were the earned by the leadership and sterling service shown by our seniors. It's a different team when they're around.
And Palos don't forget that we are all fans of T&T football . There is nothing I would have wanted more than for us to bring the trophy home. I really doubt men so immature to want T&T to get knock out so we could buss Mats throat. The fact is we play shit and we've been playing shit for a while now. Maybe you didn't realise that Grenada flattened Barbados today and we couldn't control any part of the game against them. Just thinking about the fact that T&T is not even in the top 4 in the Caribbean is infuriating.
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Fire him for what?
Missing more than 5 clear cut chances against Grenada and conceeding a flukey goal in injury time? allyuh serious? That is de coach fault?
Steups!!
We just draw with Jamaica in Jamaica, does that result count for anything?
The players are paying for not taking the game against Greanda seriously......simply as that!!
If you look at the quotes from some of the players before that first game, it was evident that they thought that it would be a walk in the park!!
We in the Hex and ah love it!!
REMEMBER THESE RESULTS
TT 3 vs cuba 1 in cuba - Excellent result to start off the group
TT 1 vs Guat 1 in Trinidad - we dominated that game totally and should have won easily.
TT 0 vs Guat 0 in guat - Magnificent result given we played with 10 men, we dominated when we had 11.
TT 2 vs USA 1 in Tri - Under no circumstances we beat them in qualifying before but we did under Matas.
Some of allyuh have tuh stop looking at one side of the coin!!
nb: JahGol, Greanda flattened Bdos, but jamaica only beat them with an injury time penalty kick.......football doh work so.
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Only de local based or those who have had the priviledge of seeing most of our games this year live and direct and not highlights should be weighing in on this topic...
It would be interesting to see the results of such a poll...
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Palos
lewwe see wha yuh have... ;D
I find peeps should be celebratin. Peeps get what dey want now. If T&T did make Gold Cup, what incentive there woulda be to get rid of Maturana?
Early Christmas gift...no?
Christmas gifts? Nah Palos, He go have nuff people crying before and after Christmas.
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:'(
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How about, going into the DCC I didn't think we would excel ... so we didn't excel ... where is the surprise?
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Only de local based or those who have had the priviledge of seeing most of our games this year live and direct and not highlights should be weighing in on this topic...
It would be interesting to see the results of such a poll...
Only the entity that is responsible for hiring and firing in T&T Football should be weighing in on this topic.
And WE ALL KNOW....that is a poll of ONE!
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Keep it up boys....ah enjoying dis!!....
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Imagine Wim got us to the Gold Cup with a FULL local team.
Imagine we need a win at all cost and Maturana playing one forward.
Imagine Sean Power and Aklie Edwards is the best wing backs we have.
Imagine Grenada beat we.
Imagine we cant even get out of the first stage in a Caribbean Cup and we are 8 times title holders.
Imagine T&T not in the Gold Cup.
Imagine Maturana is a qualified dentist who got FIRED from his last 2 jobs. Maturana cant even enter Costa Rica.
Imagine Anton Corneal picking the team for Maturana.
Imagine we needed two penalty to beat Barbados and both calls looked suspicious, especially the first one.
Imagine we down to the wire in a game and Maturana cant make a sub or make some tactical change to help the team.
Imagine what USA, Costa Rica, Honduras and Mexico will do to us.
Imagine we have no team without retired players (Yorke, Latapy).
Imagine players fighting with trainers in camp down in Jamaica.
Imagine we cant settle a team as yet.
Imagine Maturana looked at 70 players already and still dont know who to pick and where to play them.
Imagine what Palos might be thinking all now.
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Keep it up boys....ah enjoying dis!!....
You jes vex birchy turn down de national team... ;D
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Imagine Wim got us to the Gold Cup with a FULL local team.
Imagine we need a win at all cost and Maturana playing one forward.
Imagine Sean Power and Aklie Edwards is the best wing backs we have.
Imagine Grenada beat we.
Imagine we cant even get out of the first stage in a Caribbean Cup and we are 8 times title holders.
Imagine T&T not in the Gold Cup.
Imagine Maturana is a qualified dentist who got FIRED from his last 2 jobs. Maturana cant even enter Costa Rica.
Imagine Anton Corneal picking the team for Maturana.
Imagine we needed two penalty to beat Barbados and both calls looked suspicious, especially the first one.
Imagine we down to the wire in a game and Maturana cant make a sub or make some tactical change to help the team.
Imagine what USA, Costa Rica, Honduras and Mexico will do to us.
Imagine we have no team without retired players (Yorke, Latapy).
Imagine players fighting with trainers in camp down in Jamaica.
Imagine we cant settle a team as yet.
Imagine Maturana looked at 70 players already and still dont know who to pick and where to play them.
Imagine what Palos might be thinking all now.
:applause: :rotfl:
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Only the entity that is responsible for hiring and firing in T&T Football should be weighing in on this topic.
And WE ALL KNOW....that is a poll of ONE!
LMAO :rotfl:
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Imagine Wim got us to the Gold Cup with a FULL local team.
Imagine dat eh!!... :o
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Imagine Wim got us to the Gold Cup with a FULL local team.
Imagine dat eh!!... :o
Some of the football we played in that tournament was quite impressive.After a poor start we recovered well with a local based team. We were eventually outdone by a thoroughly superior opponent in the form of Haiti.
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i am pretty sure mats job safe still stueps
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Only the entity that is responsible for hiring and firing in T&T Football should be weighing in on this topic.
And WE ALL KNOW....that is a poll of ONE!
LMAO :rotfl:
I wonder are we the only one's pondering on such "topic" or is there a private meeting going somewhere with Jack at the helm.
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Only the entity that is responsible for hiring and firing in T&T Football should be weighing in on this topic.
And WE ALL KNOW....that is a poll of ONE!
LMAO :rotfl:
I wonder are we the only one's pondering on such "topic" or is there a private meeting going somewhere with Jack at the helm.
Boy who knows... If Jack feel the technical staff playing de arse with he money... is :flamethrower: for dem
but he bring in beenie mid-hex and we make it.. so I figure he go wait til at least then to throw he dice again
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Imagine Wim got us to the Gold Cup with a FULL local team.
Playing at Home. We lost 2 matches and won the other 3-2 against Barbados IN Barbados in 2005, the last time Gold Cup Finals qualifiers were NOT played in Trinidad. Under the qualification format for THIS Tournament, we would not have qualified for the Gold Cup then either.
Imagine we need a win at all cost and Maturana playing one forward.
And I suppose you saw the game to make such a determination?
Imagine Sean Power and Aklie Edwards is the best wing backs we have.
Imagine Sean Power was de startin wing back fuh de same Wim yuh say "got us to the Gold Cup
Imagine Grenada beat we.
Imagine Grenada beat we in 1997 under BSC and in 1989 under Gally Cummings
Imagine T&T not in the Gold Cup.
Like the Gold Cup we didn't make in 2003?
Imagine Anton Corneal picking the team for Maturana.
And u KNOW this how again?
Imagine we needed two penalty to beat Barbados and both calls looked suspicious, especially the first one.
You would have been happier if we had lost to Barbados and both penalty calls weren't suspicious?
Imagine we down to the wire in a game and Maturana cant make a sub or make some tactical change to help the team.
Again...please provide the link that you used to SEE the game for you to make that determination.
Imagine what USA, Costa Rica, Honduras and Mexico will do to us.
Seems somehow you not worried about El Salvador. Why would that be I wonder?
Imagine we have no team without retired players (Yorke, Latapy).
And that's the head coach's fault?
Imagine players fighting with trainers in camp down in Jamaica.
Like how Nakhid and Wim came to blows under Beenhakker?
Imagine we cant settle a team as yet.
Imagine we in de Hex.
Imagine Maturana looked at 70 players already and still dont know who to pick and where to play them.
Yuh repeatin yuhself. Like yuh "imagination" dryin up.
Imagine what Palos might be thinking all now.
I think fuh an alleged big man yuh carryin on like a spoil chile...but is entirely your perogative to do so. ;D
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Safe as d sermon in Silasie I brief case d man eh goin a place. I have accepted that all yuh need 2 do d same. So we throw way goals which TNT havn't. Last Digicup Glasgow was d throw way King but we still reach d GC. We playin crap whole yr but we was winnin so all is well. Guess what d law of avearages must ketch up wit we.
We lost 1 game d final v Haiti we draw 0 0 in d ist game beat Haiti in d semi and loose 2-1 2 dem in d final
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*ping ping*.
thats the end of round 5, and the judges have this bout scored dead even.
lion like showing from a vastly overmatched palos.
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*ping ping*.
thats the end of round 5, and the judges have this bout scored dead even.
lion like showing from a vastly overmatched palos.
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Safe as d sermon in Silasie I brief case d man eh goin a place. I have accepted that all yuh need 2 do d same. So we throw way goals which TNT havn't. Last Digicup Glasgow was d throw way King but we still reach d GC. We playin crap whole yr but we was winnin so all is well. Guess what d law of avearages must ketch up wit we.
We lost 1 game d final v Haiti we draw 0 0 in d ist game beat Haiti in d semi and loose 2-1 2 dem in d final
Somehow ... I doubt that. ::)
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I would luvvvvvvvvv 2 b wrong but I give up on dumbtist being sent packin
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Andre, how disorganization and players overlooking a game against supposedly inferior opponents is not de coach fault? De coach at de end of de day supposed to have he team mentally and physically prepared for EVERY game and must find the right schemes to do so. Adjustments on de fly is also on de coach. I agree that is not a primary school team he coaching to be fully responsble for the players technical abilities as he don't get that much time with de players. There is no excuse however, for a coach to take an unprepared team to a Digicel cup so close to the Hex. I know all of de players may not be available, but this shit ridiculous. I doh care what nobody say,in my mind there is a BIG difference between a prepared, organized team lacking talent and an unprepared team that is also lacking talent. Beenhaker didn't teach man to trap de facking ball. He made sure they knew where they had to be and when they had to be there. Holl Maturana dutty so and so. We team looking like a fete match team with de first eleven to reach starting
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*ping ping*.
thats the end of round 5, and the judges have this bout scored dead even.
lion like showing from a vastly overmatched palos.
Palos was sharpening he three canal while man was sleeping yuh know. ;D
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ah cyah help but wonder who de new coach will get rid of outright, yuh know like Beenie do wid Cpt. Angus Eve (you could imagine dat, the captain?!?) and Anton Thomas (ah think it was).
new coach attend he first few training sessions and just steups (oh wait he mightn't know how to), and say (hopefully wid ah heavy dutch accent) "This list of players men have no right near any national team!"
no bad breeze doh blow!
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new coach attend he first few training sessions and just steups (oh wait he mightn't know how to), and say (hopefully wid ah heavy dutch accent) "This list of players men have no right near any national team!"
no bad breeze doh blow!
Wim coming back??!!....whoopieeeee!!!.... :devil: ;D
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All I know is we have NO excuse for not qualifying for de Gold Cup. None. De players and coaches share de responsibility equally. De players for their lack of intensity and pride and de coaches for.. well allyuh done know about de coaches.
Bertill got fired because we lost in de gold cup semifinals. What is de standard for Maturana who couldn't even make de semifinals of de DCC.
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What new coach u talkin bout. Did not c d marriage contract till death do us part. As Will Smith tell Barbara Walters divorce is nottttttttt an option
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Fire him for what?
Missing more than 5 clear cut chances against Grenada and conceeding a flukey goal in injury time? allyuh serious? That is de coach fault?
Steups!!
We just draw with Jamaica in Jamaica, does that result count for anything?
The players are paying for not taking the game against Greanda seriously......simply as that!!
If you look at the quotes from some of the players before that first game, it was evident that they thought that it would be a walk in the park!!
We in the Hex and ah love it!!
REMEMBER THESE RESULTS
TT 3 vs cuba 1 in cuba - Excellent result to start off the group
TT 1 vs Guat 1 in Trinidad - we dominated that game totally and should have won easily.
TT 0 vs Guat 0 in guat - Magnificent result given we played with 10 men, we dominated when we had 11.
TT 2 vs USA 1 in Tri - Under no circumstances we beat them in qualifying before but we did under Matas.
Some of allyuh have tuh stop looking at one side of the coin!!
nb: JahGol, Greanda flattened Bdos, but jamaica only beat them with an injury time penalty kick.......football doh work so.
Game after game this is a major problem and it not getting better. So who to blame? The team have not improved on possession, attacking, defending or any other major aspects or our game. So I don't get how we could keep saying is not the coach fault. To a ceratin extent you have to blame the players, but time and time again, who driving the bus?
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I doh care what nobody say,in my mind there is a BIG difference between a prepared, organized team lacking talent and an unprepared team that is also lacking talent. Beenhaker didn't teach man to trap de facking ball. He made sure they knew where they had to be and when they had to be there. Holl Maturana dutty so and so. We team looking like a fete match team with de first eleven to reach starting
Yuh not comparin similar situations breddrin.
On the one occasion Beenhakker had less than the FULL T&T team to work with, i.e. No Dwight Yorke, Carlos Edwards, or Russel Latapy we FAILED to progress out of the Gold Cup preliminary round in 2005.
Both Wim & Maturana had pretty much total local squads to work with. Even in that tournament mentioned above, Beenie had Kelvin Jack, Dennis Lawrence, Marvin Andrews, Cyd Gray, Avery John, Aurtis Whitley, Stern John, and Jason Scotland in his starting XI. The MAJORITY of our best players at the time with arguably our best ever coach were there and THEY couldn't get the job done.
Beenie didn't have th luxury to teach anybody fundamentals. He had a short time frame to work with and he picked the best players he felt we had at our disposal. Beenie's and Maturana's situations are completely different.
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As Luta said d driver drivin good.
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Hire Keano !!, he want a job.. and the clown cah fack with him
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Hire Keano !!, he want a job.. and the clown cah fack with him
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Ah lord....hear nah only Trinbagonians could turn tragedy into shit talk.... ;D
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We go quicker c Wim than Keanos. Y is dis a tragedy Ray Charles coulda c this and he blind and dead.
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Fire him for what?
Missing more than 5 clear cut chances against Grenada and conceeding a flukey goal in injury time? allyuh serious? That is de coach fault?
Steups!!
We just draw with Jamaica in Jamaica, does that result count for anything?
The players are paying for not taking the game against Greanda seriously......simply as that!!
If you look at the quotes from some of the players before that first game, it was evident that they thought that it would be a walk in the park!!
We in the Hex and ah love it!!
REMEMBER THESE RESULTS
TT 3 vs cuba 1 in cuba - Excellent result to start off the group
TT 1 vs Guat 1 in Trinidad - we dominated that game totally and should have won easily.
TT 0 vs Guat 0 in guat - Magnificent result given we played with 10 men, we dominated when we had 11.
TT 2 vs USA 1 in Tri - Under no circumstances we beat them in qualifying before but we did under Matas.
Some of allyuh have tuh stop looking at one side of the coin!!
nb: JahGol, Greanda flattened Bdos, but jamaica only beat them with an injury time penalty kick.......football doh work so.
Game after game this is a major problem and it not getting better. So who to blame? The team have not improved on possession, attacking, defending or any other major aspects or our game. So I don't get how we could keep saying is not the coach fault. To a ceratin extent you have to blame the players, but time and time again, who driving the bus?
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Palos there is absolutely no excuse for the mess. It matters not what format the tournament take on, the objective is to win the damn thing. The team as shown vs Bim playing rel tata, ah talking about cow pasture paddy tata, running down yuh leg while trying to reach the latrine tata, talking about the shyte truck come to empty the latrine tata. Is like stepping in some dog tata and you don't know so you drag yuh foot and thereby the tata all over the place and everybody smelling and seeing it stinking up the place except the man who dragging the tata all over d place.
I have yet to see us play a proper tactical and aesthetically pleasing game. Let we lose, but let us look good doing it.
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Lawd Elan dat is real tata. As 4 lookin good once d overseas eh around we doh look good but we was winnin. Sooner or in dis case it woulda ketch up. D overseas save we v Bermuda but d locals wit dis joker cyah take we pass Grenada.
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This coach seems to have deceived many of us. I can’t believe that there are people still believing that the team’s failure is not his fault. Even if the players played certain games without passion or heart and we lost, guess who fault it is for not being able to motivate them to put forth a better effort? Yes the coach! Coaches are the ones who takes the fall.
If he was the coach of Mexico or another Spanish speaking country they would have been on the street marching right now because they love the game real bad, but is we loving passiveness or relaxed mentality does hurt we belly as Supporters…just like how we does act during games, sit down or stand up and clap, like is golf we watching. This guy is totally not qualified to coach our team or younger players. Why wait any longer to send him packing?
I have watch most of the games since he has taking over as coach and all of the mess that have been going on in the media and even from the interview with certain players, we can see he has not stamped his authority or solidified himself as reputable coach, most of the players especially the veterans knows he is not qualified. I have yet to see a sweet nice brand of football played under him as coach. As someone else said, if we loosing, at least let us see a good brand of organized football. We not even getting that much!
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Last year wim pick a team consisting of 4 college player players from tobago united caledonia AIA and we came second ..
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Interesting.
Last year 90% of posters on dis board were callin for Wim's dismissal.
Wim doh like we head.
Wim racist
Wim disrespeck we and say we only good to lime under coconut tree
Wim doh like local players
Wim doh give local players a chance
Wim duckin friendlies because de foreign based posse not available
Now everybody bawlin fuh Wim and how he qualify we wit a local team
Wim had we playin a nice brand
Bring back Wim
Dis place is a RIOT!!! ;D
And of course...ah waitin to see who go now bawl...."Not me was sayin dem ting bout Wim...I did always find he was a good coach!"... 8)
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I would support Maturana being fired, only if he is being replaced by either Russel Latapy or Leo Beenhakker.
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Fellas, the problem is not Maturana, the problem is JW!
JW picks the TD, head coach & makes all the major footballing decisions in T&T but problem is he knows very little technically about football. The man is an ex-school teacher & administrator who never played a decent game of football in his life.
Maturana is an ex-dentist & ex-World Cup coach who is passed his best and in addition has a communication problem with regards coaching an English speaking team.
Jack should stick to administration & Maturana should go back to dentistry or planting coca in Columbia! Both men should leave T&T football alone and stick to what they are good at, which is causing unpleasant pain to others!
The most decent thing JW can do right now to make up for this gross error in judgement is to send the dentist home & let LP & others better qualified select our new head coach & national players.
On a related note LP needs to stand up to JW or resign his post as he seems to have been muted and is just towing the line to keep his job.
To save my heart as I don’t want to end up with heart problems at this early stage in my life, I maybe forced to make myself scarce on here until the dentist is extracted and sent on his way after causing a proud Caribbean footballing nation like T&T such serious pain, we cyah beat Grenada?!!!!
But lets not confuse who is to ultimately blame here, the man who Keane called a clown, that’s who!
Socapro trying to not think about the fact that Grenada is going to the next Gold Cup rather than us & we needed those games to better prepare us for the Hex.
Folks if we don’t do something NOW, T&T is in danger of becoming a laughing stock as far as Caribbean footballing credentials are concerned!! The once Kings of Caribbean football literally gets knocked out by Grenada!!!
I don’t know about you guys but for me Enough is enough!!!!
Hands off our football Jack, you are not a TD or a coach, so please stick to what you’re good at, administration & politics & let LP our TD do his job!!!
Thanks, Socapro
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Interesting.
Last year 90% of posters on dis board were callin for Wim's dismissal.
Wim doh like we head.
Wim racist
Wim disrespeck we and say we only good to lime under coconut tree
Wim doh like local players
Wim doh give local players a chance
Wim duckin friendlies because de foreign based posse not available
Now everybody bawlin fuh Wim and how he qualify we wit a local team
Wim had we playin a nice brand
Bring back Wim
Dis place is a RIOT!!! ;D
And of course...ah waitin to see who go now bawl...."Not me was sayin dem ting bout Wim...I did always find he was a good coach!"... 8)
boss i always supported the dutch man infact i should upload the cuba vs tnt game from last year DCC
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To save my heart as I don’t want to end up with heart problems at this early stage in my life, I maybe forced to make myself scarce on here until the dentist is extracted and sent on his way after causing a proud Caribbean footballing nation like T&T such serious pain, we cyah beat Grenada?!!!!
But lets not confuse who is to ultimately blame here, the man who Keane called a clown, that’s who!
Socapro trying to not think about the fact that Grenada is going to the next Gold Cup rather than us & we needed those games to better prepare us for the Hex.
Folks if we don’t do something NOW, T&T is in danger of becoming a laughing stock as far as Caribbean footballing credentials are concerned!! The once Kings of Caribbean football literally gets knocked out by Grenada!!!
I don’t know about you guys but for me Enough is enough!!!!
Hands off our football Jack, you are not a TD or a coach, so please stick to what you’re good at, administration & politics & let LP our TD do his job!!!
Thanks, Socapro
Sounds to me like given the choice, you would rather not make the Hex than lose to Grenada.
For me it would be the reverse but I respect your position. 8)
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Is d players fault wit all dem WC star power and we eh reach no way. I disagree dat it was 90% of us here who insured dat I spendin Euros 4 Xmas.
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allyuh want wim to come back and f**k with latas again....lol
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as super jigga TC says on soca star
'if yuh singing lall, yuh gots to go'
Maturana take a hint.....
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i going to refer to a post in an early thread started after the grenada loss
the bermuda game we lost at home where..we had a fairly strong team (stern, carlos, tallest, scotland) buh we maturana rel throw way chances and lost 2-1 after bermuda score a goal with clayton ince lying unconscious on the ground..
the continuation of good results against avg opposition wid a side comprising youngsters up to the 1-1 draw against guatemala at home, a game in which we looked as good as any beenhakker team up until the freekick the score on us wit...
the usa debacle where he got everything wrong..tho mind the players on the field are not accountable for their performances...
the away draw against guatemala wit 10 men where we still had the better chances in the game.. but the players are accountable for their performances now?
mind u..this is not the first time we have lost to caribbean oppositon in recent times..just btw...
st. vincent, antigua, cuba, martinique and haiti have all done it against us in the last 8 years...
the first ever victory against a US national team and qualifying for the hex...again the players accountable...
I doh care what nobody say,in my mind there is a BIG difference between a prepared, organized team lacking talent and an unprepared team that is also lacking talent. Beenhaker didn't teach man to trap de facking ball. He made sure they knew where they had to be and when they had to be there. Holl Maturana dutty so and so. We team looking like a fete match team with de first eleven to reach starting
Yuh not comparin similar situations breddrin.
On the one occasion Beenhakker had less than the FULL T&T team to work with, i.e. No Dwight Yorke, Carlos Edwards, or Russel Latapy we FAILED to progress out of the Gold Cup preliminary round in 2005.
Both Wim & Maturana had pretty much total local squads to work with. Even in that tournament mentioned above, Beenie had Kelvin Jack, Dennis Lawrence, Marvin Andrews, Cyd Gray, Avery John, Aurtis Whitley, Stern John, and Jason Scotland in his starting XI. The MAJORITY of our best players at the time with arguably our best ever coach were there and THEY couldn't get the job done.
Beenie didn't have th luxury to teach anybody fundamentals. He had a short time frame to work with and he picked the best players he felt we had at our disposal. Beenie's and Maturana's situations are completely different.
We have not won a gold cup game since we reached the semi-finals in 2000 just btw..and we miss a whole competition as palos point ot in 2003..barely qualify in 2005 when angus had to save we wid a freekick in barbados aganst the bajans...
as it stands you cannot fire maturana on results..because he ahs a winning record and has particulary impressive results if u really check it out...
the US loss and bermuda game aside..we have not lost to jamaica in three games, we went guatemala and din get sort out for the first time in more than a decade in guatemala..we won away convincingly in cubaand we win against the US..
but of course we should fire him...lack of intensity from local players was there even under beenhakker..he used to argue about it..
but why i appealing to the logic of some of the ppl on this board for when is these same ppl calling for colin samuel to waltz into the side based on what he do in the iceland game three years ago...
i just saying nah..
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Some peeps will not jump dey have 2 b pushed. All yuh left d man enjoy he 1st Trini Xmas he go b a boss paranderos
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Pacho does keep the football exciting.
we loss to teams we have no right to loss to and we beating teams we coulda never beat before.
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when we barely qualify in 2005 st clair was coaching in 2003 hannibal najir was coaching 2 goats ..... come on now now in 2008 a goat is coaching and we out..
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He was supposed to be fired after the 0-0 draw vs Guadeloupe on Feb 6th 2008
If this guy isnt sacked before the Hex... it is obvious he is here for personal reasons or he real cheap
For the people that wants him to continue...go wash your face then take a long hard look in the mirror..then kindly shoot your f**king self
c**ts
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Esta vez tenemos una cabra española
This time we have a spanish goat
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Folks,
I not sure of making comparisons with past eras is required in assessing the situation. Consider the present situation of our team. I have watched these players over the callendar year
I dont want to sing the same song as everybody about team selection etc but the truth is the truth. While i know the pool of 'quality' talent is very small so we will have to utilize players who may not play week in week out for their domestic team. But the fact that we have so many unattached players in our ranks is a bit troublesome.
One of the reasons why we have a domestic league is that the top players can feed into the national team but the reality is quite converse to this, the fact that the mainstays of the locally based national team have actually featured much less for their clubs is more worrying than anything else, the fact that the senior players Whitley and Glen have issues with their clubs with respect to training and the deterioration of the play of our more promising players Hyland and Daniel over the course of this year. If these guys are so good then why are they unattached. I find that one hard to swallow. I read the Liburd article about his pro league 'all stars' and outside of Wolfe, Thomas there was no mention of any other national squad members. I know we have had a heavy international schedule but i saw nowhere in that article regularity of playing being a selection criteria but rather quality in performing the role required.
The fact that we have probably had a friendly at least once a month with qualifiers inbetween is hiding the fact that even these unattached players who are somehow hoping for this dream contract abroad have shown good promise early but have fallen off quite a bit.
But then again how effective will a new person coaching the team be?
If you have to remove a head coach then now is actually the best time to do so with the time before the hex to begin a preparation program for the players available but the domestic league is finishing this month so anyone new cannot scout for themselves and will have to rely on those 'same' individuals who recommend players to the technical staff.
These supposed 'negotiations' with Russell Latapy who probably would be the most logical choice if the head coach was removed sounds very embryonic and I guess we will have to see how it progresses if at all.
I find it hard to take not being in the Gold Cup being one of the few times we are allowed by FIFA to have a full strength team together to train and play for an extended period. I hope we could somehow get a back door pass as a guest team cause we need the practice.
What concerns me the most in the move ahead is that we actually have a smaller foreign based pool to draw from this time around and we actually have to rely on local based players to get us through.
Some teams have a problem in terms of personnel, others have problems with preparation, others have problems with administrative infrastructure. Ours unfortunately is a combination of all three.
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I am disappointed in the results of our team in the digicel cup but at the end of the day our main objective is qualifying for the world cup. Although maturana has a strange selection style and some poor results (i.e. bermuda, digicel cup), the team is in de Hex because of some good results (i.e. USA, Cuba, Guatemala).
He could have certainly used the digicel cup to prove that locals such as seon power, akile edwards and others are ready for international football but he didn't maximise the opportunity.
People could argue a draw against jamaica was a good result but keep in mind jamaica had nothing to play for.
Once maturana produce good results in the first 2 games in the hex he should be kept as coach. Poor results, he could go lime with Wim.
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So u waitin 4 d 1st 2 games in d hex 2 get rid ah he. Talk bout closing d stabble after d horse done gallopin down d street. D team eh playin good since he take ovah, players eh gettin pick because dey disruptive, anybody who reach in d juzzy room 1st playin u eh know at no pt what team playin.
No coachin plan, no plan 2 build a team far less team spirit but give him 2 games in d hex.
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Obviously the inclusion of our best foreign based players will produce better results. However considering the lack of organisation of the defense ,coordination in the attack and the ability to even maintain possession indicates a lack of preparation. Not just in this tournament but throughout the Colombian's tenure with our National Team. Not withstanding the fact that he is being influenced by a dunce his tactical decisions on match day leave a lot to be desired. It often seems that there is no plan at all and players are left to wing it until something positive happens.
I think Maturana is a lucky goat.
Even a local based T&T team should properly deal with the likes of Grenada and Bermuda (this match is conveniently forgotten by the Maturana hatchet men). The fact is the critical results that we thankfully achieved this year were the earned by the leadership and sterling service shown by our seniors. It's a different team when they're around.
And Palos don't forget that we are all fans of T&T football . There is nothing I would have wanted more than for us to bring the trophy home. I really doubt men so immature to want T&T to get knock out so we could buss Mats throat. The fact is we play shit and we've been playing shit for a while now. Maybe you didn't realise that Grenada flattened Barbados today and we couldn't control any part of the game against them. Just thinking about the fact that T&T is not even in the top 4 in the Caribbean is infuriating.
Jah Gol...i say the same thing...just say you coaching ah team with the best players in the world...and during the game the forward pelling shot over bar...and the defend lackin in the back...how could you win
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I doh care what nobody say,in my mind there is a BIG difference between a prepared, organized team lacking talent and an unprepared team that is also lacking talent. Beenhaker didn't teach man to trap de facking ball. He made sure they knew where they had to be and when they had to be there. Holl Maturana dutty so and so. We team looking like a fete match team with de first eleven to reach starting
Yuh not comparin similar situations breddrin.
On the one occasion Beenhakker had less than the FULL T&T team to work with, i.e. No Dwight Yorke, Carlos Edwards, or Russel Latapy we FAILED to progress out of the Gold Cup preliminary round in 2005.
Both Wim & Maturana had pretty much total local squads to work with. Even in that tournament mentioned above, Beenie had Kelvin Jack, Dennis Lawrence, Marvin Andrews, Cyd Gray, Avery John, Aurtis Whitley, Stern John, and Jason Scotland in his starting XI. The MAJORITY of our best players at the time with arguably our best ever coach were there and THEY couldn't get the job done.
Beenie didn't have th luxury to teach anybody fundamentals. He had a short time frame to work with and he picked the best players he felt we had at our disposal. Beenie's and Maturana's situations are completely different.
Watch out PALOS coming to make you drink COBO Koolaid ahhhhhhh ,run for your life and doh drink he koolaide.
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So u waitin 4 d 1st 2 games in d hex 2 get rid ah he. Talk bout closing d stabble after d horse done gallopin down d street. D team eh playin good since he take ovah, players eh gettin pick because dey disruptive, anybody who reach in d juzzy room 1st playin u eh know at no pt what team playin.
No coachin plan, no plan 2 build a team far less team spirit but give him 2 games in d hex.
Weary , in all seriousness, why yuh didn't like maturana from the begining? is it something that he did? just curious to know.
as for me, i used to be really optimistic about this guy, but now i want him gone only BC of his team selection policy which happen's to be worst than my old high school coach mad man king.
he leaves out players like avery ,cyd, julius,osie,lawrence and daryl for fellas like makkan, aklie, clyde leon, wolf,baptiste, stephen david and toussant. any time ah coach is that clueless he should be fired. i'm sure anton have ah hand in the fella selection process aswell, hope he gets fired too!!!!!!!!!
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Palos, I not in a position to say fire Maturana or not to fire Maturana. That of course depends on who yuh plan to replace him with and yuh conviction that better will be done by his successor. I am simply watching with my 2 eyes as a player and coach from de games that I have seen. This team has not shown any organization in these games. I'm not going off win-loss like some people. These players have gotten too many chances, whether it be national team games or some kinda concacaf club games, to show that they can compete physically and mentally with international level players. Granted we have some fellas that wouldn't be around a quality national setup, for large portions of our recent games we are lost in terms of tactics and positional play, etc. We have talent in some areas and that has gotten some decent results, but that cannot be what we have to rely on. I don't see the need to compare the qualities of Wim, Bertille, Mats, or even Beenie as they all have traits that can be appreciated and others than can be condemned. The main thing is that the job of a coach is to take the group he is working with and make them the best functional unit they can be. I see no evidence that Mats is doing that currently. Whether we can get someone to do a better job is up to JW, not me. We have had some good wins as well as some bad losses, but the question " if we have our team prepared in the best possible manner would the odds of more good wins and less bad losses get better? " begs to be asked.
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Obviously the inclusion of our best foreign based players will produce better results. However considering the lack of organisation of the defense ,coordination in the attack and the ability to even maintain possession indicates a lack of preparation. Not just in this tournament but throughout the Colombian's tenure with our National Team. Not withstanding the fact that he is being influenced by a dunce his tactical decisions on match day leave a lot to be desired. It often seems that there is no plan at all and players are left to wing it until something positive happens.
I think Maturana is a lucky goat.
Even a local based T&T team should properly deal with the likes of Grenada and Bermuda (this match is conveniently forgotten by the Maturana hatchet men). The fact is the critical results that we thankfully achieved this year were the earned by the leadership and sterling service shown by our seniors. It's a different team when they're around.
And Palos don't forget that we are all fans of T&T football . There is nothing I would have wanted more than for us to bring the trophy home. I really doubt men so immature to want T&T to get knock out so we could buss Mats throat. The fact is we play shit and we've been playing shit for a while now. Maybe you didn't realise that Grenada flattened Barbados today and we couldn't control any part of the game against them. Just thinking about the fact that T&T is not even in the top 4 in the Caribbean is infuriating.
Jah Gol...i say the same thing...just say you coaching ah team with the best players in the world...and during the game the forward pelling shot over bar...and the defend lackin in the back...how could you win
CORRECT!!! avram grant had ah winning record last season , came 2nd to man-u and still got axed! the bottom line is mats ain't doing too bad , but we could do much much better than that despite his winning record!! just look @ what became of avram grant despite a winning record!
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From ash wed 2 d last game v Guyana d team neva look good. D set ah dotish selections apart u neva c any plan. As I say nuff times I watchin football since Latas in 83 I eh claim 2 b no expert but I grow up on Big League Soccer on a sat and Serie A on a sunday. Nuff intercol, Latas under 19, Nixon under 16 when we beat US in d preliminary round and then get licks d next wk neva 4got dat blond boi who was pressure.
So when I C a hound I Know a houndo. In comparision 2 meh man Wim d 1st game v B'dos Patriot boi Sealy tata down heself and dat was it 4 he. U actually saw progress wit d team. Dey grew from strength 2 strength. B4 d GC we came back and beat Haiti. Went 2 d WC and draw 1 gameagain we eh look bad.
Then d so call altercation wit LP and dis fool is d coach. God doh bless mess so we have a right 2 b in d mess we in. We had continuity 4 d 1st time but because he eh do JW biddin he laughin hard in Holland
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He was supposed to be fired after the 0-0 draw vs Guadeloupe on Feb 6th 2008
If this guy isnt sacked before the Hex... it is obvious he is here for personal reasons or he real cheap
For the people that wants him to continue...go wash your face then take a long hard look in the mirror..then kindly shoot your f**king self
c**ts
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Yah have to remember these men are part of C.O.B.O.S - Colombians Organizing Backward Outdated Soccer.
they prefer to sacrifice we own players who not suppose to be there in the 1st place than the Grand Cobo himself ...All hail the Mighty cobo .
Touches is the Press Secretary,he have to give the report .All yah know who the President is .
Fire Muturana forthwith ,it still have time to get a good coach Jack.
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Fire him for what?
Missing more than 5 clear cut chances against Grenada and conceeding a flukey goal in injury time? allyuh serious? That is de coach fault?
Steups!!
We just draw with Jamaica in Jamaica, does that result count for anything?
The players are paying for not taking the game against Greanda seriously......simply as that!!
If you look at the quotes from some of the players before that first game, it was evident that they thought that it would be a walk in the park!!
We in the Hex and ah love it!!
REMEMBER THESE RESULTS
TT 3 vs cuba 1 in cuba - Excellent result to start off the group
TT 1 vs Guat 1 in Trinidad - we dominated that game totally and should have won easily.
TT 0 vs Guat 0 in guat - Magnificent result given we played with 10 men, we dominated when we had 11.
TT 2 vs USA 1 in Tri - Under no circumstances we beat them in qualifying before but we did under Matas.
Some of allyuh have tuh stop looking at one side of the coin!!
nb: JahGol, Greanda flattened Bdos, but jamaica only beat them with an injury time penalty kick.......football doh work so.
:rotfl: yah picking up Arrow style now ,ent lol .
He geh ah couple man tie up like market crab. :D
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Q ah lil slow who is d prez
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lol weary ,Ah fraid to say ,but I know Frico is media relations officer ....and unless Andre start another Fantasy League ,for he alone ,he in it to .
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Send me a PM
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Ha ..ok ,we only have this picture of him ,remember look out for them cobos ,they usually start circling after we get kill .
http://www.jibjab.com/view/49980
Mats must go.We now ranked..what.. 4th in the W.I .how much money does jack lose ,by not going to the gold cup ?
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Kool aide drinker
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I real enjoying this show....
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Obviously the inclusion of our best foreign based players will produce better results. However considering the lack of organisation of the defense ,coordination in the attack and the ability to even maintain possession indicates a lack of preparation. Not just in this tournament but throughout the Colombian's tenure with our National Team. Not withstanding the fact that he is being influenced by a dunce his tactical decisions on match day leave a lot to be desired. It often seems that there is no plan at all and players are left to wing it until something positive happens.
I think Maturana is a lucky goat.
Even a local based T&T team should properly deal with the likes of Grenada and Bermuda (this match is conveniently forgotten by the Maturana hatchet men). The fact is the critical results that we thankfully achieved this year were the earned by the leadership and sterling service shown by our seniors. It's a different team when they're around.
And Palos don't forget that we are all fans of T&T football . There is nothing I would have wanted more than for us to bring the trophy home. I really doubt men so immature to want T&T to get knock out so we could buss Mats throat. The fact is we play shit and we've been playing shit for a while now. Maybe you didn't realise that Grenada flattened Barbados today and we couldn't control any part of the game against them. Just thinking about the fact that T&T is not even in the top 4 in the Caribbean is infuriating.
Jah Gol...i say the same thing...just say you coaching ah team with the best players in the world...and during the game the forward pelling shot over bar...and the defend lackin in the back...how could you win
CORRECT!!! avram grant had ah winning record last season , came 2nd to man-u and still got axed! the bottom line is mats ain't doing too bad , but we could do much much better than that despite his winning record!! just look @ what became of avram grant despite a winning record!
yo! good point about the Avram Grant situtaion but i feel the English national coach situation more matches what we have going on, look i for one always believe dat England could be much better than dey were (yes even in WC 06) but dey-also-had ah CLOWN at de helm! Capello come and wid de same pool ah players, is different results....ah know is a stretch to compare we wid England eh but i think ah make meh point.
additionally, men could talk all kinda roundabout stupidness and find excuses/reasons for retaining dis ass, but seriously when teams like bermuda and grenada could beat we wid no-name coaches (stating de obvious), something effing wrong! and we suppose to have ah coach wid WC pedigree??? i will be checking the forum all day hoping to see ah headline saying something like"Socawarriors head coach fired!" dais is how I feel!
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Palos, I not in a position to say fire Maturana or not to fire Maturana. That of course depends on who yuh plan to replace him with and yuh conviction that better will be done by his successor. I am simply watching with my 2 eyes as a player and coach from de games that I have seen. This team has not shown any organization in these games. I'm not going off win-loss like some people. These players have gotten too many chances, whether it be national team games or some kinda concacaf club games, to show that they can compete physically and mentally with international level players. Granted we have some fellas that wouldn't be around a quality national setup, for large portions of our recent games we are lost in terms of tactics and positional play, etc. We have talent in some areas and that has gotten some decent results, but that cannot be what we have to rely on. I don't see the need to compare the qualities of Wim, Bertille, Mats, or even Beenie as they all have traits that can be appreciated and others than can be condemned. The main thing is that the job of a coach is to take the group he is working with and make them the best functional unit they can be. I see no evidence that Mats is doing that currently. Whether we can get someone to do a better job is up to JW, not me. We have had some good wins as well as some bad losses, but the question " if we have our team prepared in the best possible manner would the odds of more good wins and less bad losses get better? " begs to be asked.
That statement alone tells me you are indecisive and as such would make or are an awful coach. Maturana can be replaced by any of the top three local coaches and it would be an improvement.
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Oh BTW peeps where is that asshole Coops. Conveniently hiding of course.
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So u waitin 4 d 1st 2 games in d hex 2 get rid ah he. Talk bout closing d stabble after d horse done gallopin down d street. D team eh playin good since he take ovah, players eh gettin pick because dey disruptive, anybody who reach in d juzzy room 1st playin u eh know at no pt what team playin.
No coachin plan, no plan 2 build a team far less team spirit but give him 2 games in d hex.
Personally i doh like his selection policy but I can't really argue with him because he got us to the Hex. Football is about results, in the past we played "attractive" football and lost, now we playing crap but getting decent results.
If you were to fire him, what would be your reasons besides yuh just doh like de man?
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Personally i doh like his selection policy but I can't really argue with him because he got us to the Hex. Football is about results, in the past we played "attractive" football and lost, now we playing crap but getting decent results.
Like against Grenada in the Digicel & JA when we needed a must win to get us to the Gold Cup?
Seeing that we needed to get to the Gold Cup to source decent opponents for our Hex preparations, I can't see how you can tolerate the fact that Maturana hasn't been fired yet!! But then again we have JW who is clueless making all our major technical football decisions.
Ask yourself this, why qualify for the Hex then minimise your changes of earning one of the top 3 spots by carrying on with a dentist that has no idea what he is doing? There is no rhyme or reason to anything that Maturana does. Is like playing the lottery, pure luck & chance! He needs to be on the next flight out to Columbia.
No wonder Yorke now has serious ambitions of being a top coach... he saw Maturana in action and said to himself if this dentist can get away with being coach of our national team then who is me? I think either Russel or myself could be T&T national coach much sooner than we thought afterall its us who turn things around after Maturana was instructed to give us a call when our chances of progressing to the Hex were vanishing fast! :-[
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We get in d hex despite dumbtist not because of d dumbtist doh get tie up like a crab.
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my take is that it's a good thing that pacho has seen 70 players and experimented a bit. good for the long run to know where the talent is coming from to keep us in contention. alot of men not going to be around after this world cup campaign. so whether men like akile edwards or not i glad to see him running out - time next campaign these will be our more senior & experienced players.
the thing wid pacho is that he doh really talk to the press so no one know what he doing. so i saying all this based on the hope that from what he has seen he will be best suited for any situation in the hex. the 1st 3 games will prove that right or wrong. if it aint right then i say let latas & yorkie hold it down. forget this foreign coach thing. let's build our own talent at the coaching position that we can be proud of. maybe with local guys at the helm one day we could be thinking about winning the damn world cup instead of merely qualifying
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3 games u givin him 3 games all u good oui. He had 3 grames in d Digicup and dat went so well
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boy i hadda give him a 3 games. unless we lose the 1st 2 and look bad. hard to fire him right now given his record. i know i will take some blows for that but in the end the man get us comfortably into the hex - losing only one game (USA in USA). bermuda fiasco was what it was they didn't axe him then - DCC was what it was i doubt they will axe him for that - i wouldn't have. if yuh axe him now yuh hadda give it to lataas & yorke otherwise yuh bringing a man on payroll that you need to spend money to send all over the world to see players between now & february.
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Record look all yuh want meh 2 strt 2 cuss. We playin crap we just lucky 2 win. Record myyyyyyyyy I gone. I must b done cuss in meh mind loud steupsssssssssss
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doh cuss & doh hang up. i doh like his methods either. but what game exactly allyuh find we was lucky to win. i really doh understand the concept of a lucky win, an ugly win, an almost lose. i doh understand these concepts. so help me out.
when we come back from 2-1 down against guatemala and throw away child (my favourite player btw) score 2 in the dying minutes - that was a lucky win?
whabout when we draw 1-1 with bahrain at home - BAHRAIN only score two goals in qualifying before the one they scored on us - that was a lucky draw? for us or for them?
and whabout the saves shakka make to give us a nil nil against sweden? lucky?
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We did not get into the Hex because of maturana. We got in "despite" Maturana. Given the raw talent we posess, any shite coach could have gotten the so-called good results he got. It was only when the Real pros came into the side that things started to look up. Imagine men counting a must-win against minnows like Bermuda as a pips.
WTF. We really reach.
The man team selection is mind-boggling. His tactics or lack of even worse. And his communication with players and clearly also the Administration in a mess.
Fire he backside now and at least give the next coach a two months to settle in before the Hex.
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to be honest i dont see him getting fired now because of where we are at regarding the WC Qualifiers. however, he needs to be fired for the level of horrible football the team is currently playing and god forbid that we dont have the foreign based pros playing on this team...we would be totally embarrased in the upcoming Hex. my thing with Mats is this...i dont see a coach affecting influence on a team. for example, you knew from day one when Beenie man take the team you saw a particular style of play and you saw his idealogy being displayed on the field. men like whitley and others flourished under his guidance and coaching ability. who can we say that about now? men might say keon daniel...my belief is that the youth on the field has abundance of talent and its being showcased now...has nothing to do with Mats coaching ability. we playing a very negative style of football, even in games we suppose to try and get results from, players walking on the field not looking motivated, looking clueless...i can go on and on. for me the result in chicago was confirmation for me that he needs to be gone. i mean your team is being man handled by the opponent and u just sit there and do nothing...no changes tactically, no emotion, no nothing??? i think i was more embarassed that night than when i saw we lost to grenada. for the first time i was ashamed of my national team...they showed no guts and no leadership and that speaks volumes as the coach to sit there and allow the foolishness to continue. so with that being said, the feeling of shame that i felt for a team and fellas that i love and respect and will support til i die, is grounds enough for me to say he needs to go. :beermug: :beermug:
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To save my heart as I don’t want to end up with heart problems at this early stage in my life, I maybe forced to make myself scarce on here until the dentist is extracted and sent on his way after causing a proud Caribbean footballing nation like T&T such serious pain, we cyah beat Grenada?!!!!
But lets not confuse who is to ultimately blame here, the man who Keane called a clown, that’s who!
Socapro trying to not think about the fact that Grenada is going to the next Gold Cup rather than us & we needed those games to better prepare us for the Hex.
Folks if we don’t do something NOW, T&T is in danger of becoming a laughing stock as far as Caribbean footballing credentials are concerned!! The once Kings of Caribbean football literally gets knocked out by Grenada!!!
I don’t know about you guys but for me Enough is enough!!!!
Hands off our football Jack, you are not a TD or a coach, so please stick to what you’re good at, administration & politics & let LP our TD do his job!!!
Thanks, Socapro
Sounds to me like given the choice, you would rather not make the Hex than lose to Grenada.
For me it would be the reverse but I respect your position. 8)
I would love to see the plan for us getting to the HEX and the progressing to the WC. Would love to see it.
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To save my heart as I don’t want to end up with heart problems at this early stage in my life, I maybe forced to make myself scarce on here until the dentist is extracted and sent on his way after causing a proud Caribbean footballing nation like T&T such serious pain, we cyah beat Grenada?!!!!
But lets not confuse who is to ultimately blame here, the man who Keane called a clown, that’s who!
Socapro trying to not think about the fact that Grenada is going to the next Gold Cup rather than us & we needed those games to better prepare us for the Hex.
Folks if we don’t do something NOW, T&T is in danger of becoming a laughing stock as far as Caribbean footballing credentials are concerned!! The once Kings of Caribbean football literally gets knocked out by Grenada!!!
I don’t know about you guys but for me Enough is enough!!!!
Hands off our football Jack, you are not a TD or a coach, so please stick to what you’re good at, administration & politics & let LP our TD do his job!!!
Thanks, Socapro
Sounds to me like given the choice, you would rather not make the Hex than lose to Grenada.
For me it would be the reverse but I respect your position. 8)
I would love to see the plan for us getting to the HEX and the progressing to the WC. Would love to see it.
Did Beenie, Simoes, or BSC show you their plan? How about Wim?
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Palos I know you did like Wim hell I liked him as a coach too but I have to agree this dentist has to go can someone tell when was the last time he coached in the modern era things has change since he last coach Columbia this guy has no idea how to coach in these modern times he use the same lame line up he’s so predictable no has to scout us all they have to is pressure us earl we give up an earl goal and that’s it
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Palos I know you did like Wim hell I liked him as a coach too but I have to agree this dentist has to go can someone tell when was the last time he coached in the modern era things has change since he last coach Columbia this guy has no idea how to coach in these modern times he use the same lame line up he’s so predictable no has to scout us all they have to is pressure us earl we give up an earl goal and that’s it
Breddrin. To be quite honest, Maturana doh fill me wit confidence. Never did. And posters right, de brand we playin doesn't show much cohesion or fluidity regardless of who playin for we.
That said, me eh no coach, but I try to see both sides of a story. If yuh remember, I was one a de peeps who was sayin in de earlies dat Alvin was de one pickin de team and he was de one was supportin Maturana and basically pullin he strings. To some extent...I still believe he has some input, but after listening to the TD in recent months, I have to conclude dat de TD either is de main driving force who behind de 70 players being "auditioned", or he at least in favour of it.
Now people say de TD "sell out" all kinda ting. Maybe dat is true...I not in a position to say yea or nay. What I do know is yuh cyah please everybody. Yuh had 70 players had an opportunity to play for the national team but it go always have people who vex dem player(s) didn't get a bligh. Even if yuh pick Trent Noel, Jerol Forbes (who was picked & his pick was criticised then too surprise surprise), Brent Sancho, Nicholson wha he name, Josimar Belgrave, Hayden Tino (who was also picked) etc.....it go have somebody who go be vex. Coaches cyah study dat. Dem have to do what dem think is best for the system and tactics they want to play.
Which bring yuh to the 4-5-1 dat everybody hate so much. Again, me eh no coach, but dat system to me is in place because of we weakness in defence. Even if yuh play de crowd favourites Gray, Lawrence, Sancho & Avery....we WEAK. So from what I see in modern football, coaches load up de midfield to try and deny the opposition space to work....compress de field a little bit so that it gives you a better chance to recover from lapses. Our team lapses a lot so what we goin to do? Play 2 up front because it aesthetically pleasing, especially when the 2 upfront doh track back to help de midfield? I believe I understand the REASONING behind the 4-5-1. And if we playin 4-5-1 in the WCQ's....why would we play another system in a different tournament and/or practice matches? Yes...we need to adapt to different systems as the occasion presents itself in game situations but the fundamental system that THIS COACH has is 4-5-1. Wha yuh tink Beenie play in de World Cup? 4-4-2?
De last thing Maturana has in his favour is the most important thing.....results. It kinda hard to argue against his results. We beat Usa for the first time in WCQ. We draw with guatemala in guatemala with 10 men for 60 minutes. We beat cuba in cuba. We qualify for the Hex. We draw 3 times with jamaica, 2 of them away games. But we lost to Bermuda and Grenada and we got knocked out of the Gold Cup so he should be fired. Talk about missin de forest for the trees.
I have no problem with Maturana being fired. As I say, he doh inspire me with confidence per se....but I go jes be waitin to see who would be the replacement and what kinda RESULTS they will get. I hope for our sake the results in WCQ doh be less than what we already had.
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To save my heart as I don’t want to end up with heart problems at this early stage in my life, I maybe forced to make myself scarce on here until the dentist is extracted and sent on his way after causing a proud Caribbean footballing nation like T&T such serious pain, we cyah beat Grenada?!!!!
But lets not confuse who is to ultimately blame here, the man who Keane called a clown, that’s who!
Socapro trying to not think about the fact that Grenada is going to the next Gold Cup rather than us & we needed those games to better prepare us for the Hex.
Folks if we don’t do something NOW, T&T is in danger of becoming a laughing stock as far as Caribbean footballing credentials are concerned!! The once Kings of Caribbean football literally gets knocked out by Grenada!!!
I don’t know about you guys but for me Enough is enough!!!!
Hands off our football Jack, you are not a TD or a coach, so please stick to what you’re good at, administration & politics & let LP our TD do his job!!!
Thanks, Socapro
Sounds to me like given the choice, you would rather not make the Hex than lose to Grenada.
For me it would be the reverse but I respect your position. 8)
I would love to see the plan for us getting to the HEX and the progressing to the WC. Would love to see it.
Did Beenie, Simoes, or BSC show you their plan? How about Wim?
I talking on the field. With Maturana you not seeing anything or like the team working on anything. The defense I would think would be the first thing to work on, but no visible improvement.
With Beenhaker, you could see the improvement in organization clear across the field. With Wim, you could have seen us attempting to move the ball a lot.
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Palos good post... ah know you does be playing de unpopular role of devils advocate to bring about some more level-headed discussion on de board...
.. but that last paragraph is exactly my problem, de inconsistency in results!! This seems to be as a result of the inconsistency everywhere else. Maybe he do have a plan, but up to now nobody cyah suss it out... hence de unscoutable corbeaux brand on display. down to the translator position inconsistent ;D
Every game does just have a feeling of vaps and close yuh eye and hope for de best... dais why i fraid dis man and de corneals...
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Personally i doh like his selection policy but I can't really argue with him because he got us to the Hex. Football is about results, in the past we played "attractive" football and lost, now we playing crap but getting decent results.
Like against Grenada in the Digicel & JA when we needed a must win to get us to the Gold Cup?
Seeing that we needed to get to the Gold Cup to source decent opponents for our Hex preparations, I can't see how you can tolerate the fact that Maturana hasn't been fired yet!! But then again we have JW who is clueless making all our major technical football decisions.
Ask yourself this, why qualify for the Hex then minimise your changes of earning one of the top 3 spots by carrying on with a dentist that has no idea what he is doing? There is no rhyme or reason to anything that Maturana does. Is like playing the lottery, pure luck & chance! He needs to be on the next flight out to Columbia.
No wonder Yorke now has serious ambitions of being a top coach... he saw Maturana in action and said to himself if this dentist can get away with being coach of our national team then who is me? I think either Russel or myself could be T&T national coach much sooner than we thought afterall its us who turn things around after Maturana was instructed to give us a call when our chances of progressing to the Hex were vanishing fast! :-[
i agree that the gold cup would have provided some useful gams to help in the WC preparation but doh worry uncle jack will organize friendlies... ;D
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Personally i doh like his selection policy but I can't really argue with him because he got us to the Hex. Football is about results, in the past we played "attractive" football and lost, now we playing crap but getting decent results.
Like against Grenada in the Digicel & JA when we needed a must win to get us to the Gold Cup?
Seeing that we needed to get to the Gold Cup to source decent opponents for our Hex preparations, I can't see how you can tolerate the fact that Maturana hasn't been fired yet!! But then again we have JW who is clueless making all our major technical football decisions.
Ask yourself this, why qualify for the Hex then minimise your changes of earning one of the top 3 spots by carrying on with a dentist that has no idea what he is doing? There is no rhyme or reason to anything that Maturana does. Is like playing the lottery, pure luck & chance! He needs to be on the next flight out to Columbia.
No wonder Yorke now has serious ambitions of being a top coach... he saw Maturana in action and said to himself if this dentist can get away with being coach of our national team then who is me? I think either Russel or myself could be T&T national coach much sooner than we thought afterall its us who turn things around after Maturana was instructed to give us a call when our chances of progressing to the Hex were vanishing fast! :-[
i agree that the gold cup would have provided some useful gams to help in the WC preparation but doh worry uncle jack will organize friendlies... ;D
Guyana here we come!
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Personally i doh like his selection policy but I can't really argue with him because he got us to the Hex. Football is about results, in the past we played "attractive" football and lost, now we playing crap but getting decent results.
Like against Grenada in the Digicel & JA when we needed a must win to get us to the Gold Cup?
Seeing that we needed to get to the Gold Cup to source decent opponents for our Hex preparations, I can't see how you can tolerate the fact that Maturana hasn't been fired yet!! But then again we have JW who is clueless making all our major technical football decisions.
Ask yourself this, why qualify for the Hex then minimise your changes of earning one of the top 3 spots by carrying on with a dentist that has no idea what he is doing? There is no rhyme or reason to anything that Maturana does. Is like playing the lottery, pure luck & chance! He needs to be on the next flight out to Columbia.
No wonder Yorke now has serious ambitions of being a top coach... he saw Maturana in action and said to himself if this dentist can get away with being coach of our national team then who is me? I think either Russel or myself could be T&T national coach much sooner than we thought afterall its us who turn things around after Maturana was instructed to give us a call when our chances of progressing to the Hex were vanishing fast! :-[
i agree that the gold cup would have provided some useful gams to help in the WC preparation but doh worry uncle jack will organize friendlies... ;D
Guyana here we come!
Guyana? I was thinking along the lines of NE Stars, Joe Public and tobago united to build the confidence of the forwards.
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All you never see come see ...before you say fire the man...say who you have to replace him? Palos make a valid point and I agree but those that want him fired..name his replacement? Barnes replace Simones and has been somewhat successful with the team...does that make Barnes a better coach than Simones? The hard fact is them forwards squandered the game against Grenada..yes they havent gelled yet but isnt it a fairly new group the man select and trying to mold?? One man ask has the coach improved our local footballers...steups..so we waiting on a National coach to improve we local football?? Come on lay blame where blame is to be laid and stop looking with your blinders on.
Ah waiting.
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palos makes sense - glad you guys could hear it from one of your own.
I doh like the man style & i doh like the way the team playing without effort at times but i like the results. as i keep saying - the man got to the hex with ease in the end - losing only 1 game - to USA in USA.
as the man boss how u firing him based on that. what if the new man doh give us results? everyone acts like it's automatic that anyone new we bring in will do better
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The hard fact is them forwards squandered the game against Grenada..yes they havent gelled yet but isnt it a fairly new group the man select and trying to mold??
Ah ha therein lies one of the problems....he has selected a fairly new group so many times but they have not been able to gell so when he going to stop trying these new groups and choose a core group to work with??
In the end we must ....
All hail the Corbeaux Brand!! :notworthy: :notworthy:
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palos makes sense - glad you guys could hear it from one of your own.
I doh like the man style & i doh like the way the team playing without effort at times but i like the results. as i keep saying - the man got to the hex with ease in the end - losing only 1 game - to USA in USA.
as the man boss how u firing him based on that. what if the new man doh give us results? everyone acts like it's automatic that anyone new we bring in will do better
As far as I concerned, if i was charged with hiring de national coach.. he would be mandated to:
1. Qualify for de World Cup, the minimum performance accepted would be qualifying for de HEX.
2. Win our regional tournament, the minimum performance accepted would be qualifying for de Gold Cup.
3. Advance to the Gold Cup semis, the minimum performance accepted would be advancing from the group stage
4. Lead the team to at least a top 50 FIFA ranking over a reasonable period of time. (this last one you could probably have leeway with)
But as always there would be mitigating factors. The actual performance on the field, consistent improvement demonstrated throughout the tenure, wins against main rivals, the public opinion etc... This should be laid out at the very beginning.
This is how it is done worldwide at club and national level... managers are expected to avoid relegation, make a decent cup run, win de title, champions league etc and so on.
Now while Maturana has so far achieved the minimum for Goal no.1, he has failed no.2 outright and as a result no.3 as well. And so far he has not inspired too much confidence that he can achieve any of the rest or even no.2 and no.3 in subsequent years. The public/board is split and disillusioned... I would think that this would be basis to relieve the coach.
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The hard fact is them forwards squandered the game against Grenada..yes they havent gelled yet but isnt it a fairly new group the man select and trying to mold??
Ah ha therein lies one of the problems....he has selected a fairly new group so many times but they have not been able to gell so when he going to stop trying these new groups and choose a core group to work with??
In the end we must ....
All hail the Corbeaux Brand!! :notworthy: :notworthy:
Dat is a matter of philosophy and preference ... is it wrong?
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The biggest thing a coach needs in this region is instilling confidence in the team and that’s what beenie did he instilled discipline in didn’t have time to groom a team so he picked players that bought into his style and adapted without question now we have this dentist where none of the players have confidence in him and just like the campaign in 2002 we will fail because this is where the men gets separated from the boys we could only go so far with Latapy and Yorkie we can keep parching and plugging it wouldn’t work
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The hard fact is them forwards squandered the game against Grenada..yes they havent gelled yet but isnt it a fairly new group the man select and trying to mold??
Ah ha therein lies one of the problems....he has selected a fairly new group so many times but they have not been able to gell so when he going to stop trying these new groups and choose a core group to work with??
In the end we must ....
All hail the Corbeaux Brand!! :notworthy: :notworthy:
Dat is a matter of philosophy and preference ... is it wrong?
Alright....so what is the philosophy??....daiz wha we trying to figure out since he reach....as the coach of the NT he not supposed to be developing players, so ah guess he just looking for the right group of players. Now if he eh find de right group yet, when he planning to find it?? ???
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All you never see come see ...before you say fire the man...say who you have to replace him? Palos make a valid point and I agree but those that want him fired..name his replacement? Barnes replace Simones and has been somewhat successful with the team...does that make Barnes a better coach than Simones? The hard fact is them forwards squandered the game against Grenada..yes they havent gelled yet but isnt it a fairly new group the man select and trying to mold?? One man ask has the coach improved our local footballers...steups..so we waiting on a National coach to improve we local football?? Come on lay blame where blame is to be laid and stop looking with your blinders on.
Ah waiting.
A national coach responsibility should be; to take what ever talent pool there is available, in that country, teach them how to use their abilities to go forth and wins games. If he can't do that... then he needs to be fired. He knew in the contract when signed that there would have been consequences and or circumstance to him being terminated for not producing. After all the valid evidence everyone has posted about this coach as a result to his lack of ability to coach this team into playing a better brand of football…people still holding on to this man. Ah wondering who really have on the blinders. ???
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FIRE HIM NOW
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The hard fact is them forwards squandered the game against Grenada..yes they havent gelled yet but isnt it a fairly new group the man select and trying to mold??
Ah ha therein lies one of the problems....he has selected a fairly new group so many times but they have not been able to gell so when he going to stop trying these new groups and choose a core group to work with??
In the end we must ....
All hail the Corbeaux Brand!! :notworthy: :notworthy:
Dat is a matter of philosophy and preference ... is it wrong?
Alright....so what is the philosophy??....daiz wha we trying to figure out since he reach....as the coach of the NT he not supposed to be developing players, so ah guess he just looking for the right group of players. Now if he eh find de right group yet, when he planning to find it?? ???
Anyone in that role eh doing de wuk each day like dey have a sword hanging over dey head ... so de man doing de wuk in phases ... in other words, even after de Hex, and we pull thru, de man would be still confounding de cybermassive because he go still be tinkering ...
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All you never see come see ...before you say fire the man...say who you have to replace him? Palos make a valid point and I agree but those that want him fired..name his replacement? Barnes replace Simones and has been somewhat successful with the team...does that make Barnes a better coach than Simones? The hard fact is them forwards squandered the game against Grenada..yes they havent gelled yet but isnt it a fairly new group the man select and trying to mold?? One man ask has the coach improved our local footballers...steups..so we waiting on a National coach to improve we local football?? Come on lay blame where blame is to be laid and stop looking with your blinders on.
Ah waiting.
A national coach responsibility should be; to take what ever talent pool there is available, in that country, teach them how to use their abilities to go forth and wins games. If he can't do that... then he needs to be fired. He knew in the contract when signed that there would have been consequences and or circumstance to him being terminated for not producing. After all the valid evidence everyone has posted about this coach as a result to his lack of ability to coach this team into playing a better brand of football…people still holding on to this man. Ah wondering who really have on the blinders. ???
Define talent pool.
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All you never see come see ...before you say fire the man...say who you have to replace him? Palos make a valid point and I agree but those that want him fired..name his replacement? Barnes replace Simones and has been somewhat successful with the team...does that make Barnes a better coach than Simones? The hard fact is them forwards squandered the game against Grenada..yes they havent gelled yet but isnt it a fairly new group the man select and trying to mold?? One man ask has the coach improved our local footballers...steups..so we waiting on a National coach to improve we local football?? Come on lay blame where blame is to be laid and stop looking with your blinders on.
Ah waiting.
A national coach responsibility should be; to take what ever talent pool there is available, in that country, teach them how to use their abilities to go forth and wins games. If he can't do that... then he needs to be fired. He knew in the contract when signed that there would have been consequences and or circumstance to him being terminated for not producing. After all the valid evidence everyone has posted about this coach as a result to his lack of ability to coach this team into playing a better brand of football…people still holding on to this man. Ah wondering who really have on the blinders. ???
Define talent pool.
Any players that have been selectively chosen to represent the country. ;)
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All you never see come see ...before you say fire the man...say who you have to replace him? Palos make a valid point and I agree but those that want him fired..name his replacement? Barnes replace Simones and has been somewhat successful with the team...does that make Barnes a better coach than Simones? The hard fact is them forwards squandered the game against Grenada..yes they havent gelled yet but isnt it a fairly new group the man select and trying to mold?? One man ask has the coach improved our local footballers...steups..so we waiting on a National coach to improve we local football?? Come on lay blame where blame is to be laid and stop looking with your blinders on.
Ah waiting.
A national coach responsibility should be; to take what ever talent pool there is available, in that country, teach them how to use their abilities to go forth and wins games. If he can't do that... then he needs to be fired. He knew in the contract when signed that there would have been consequences and or circumstance to him being terminated for not producing. After all the valid evidence everyone has posted about this coach as a result to his lack of ability to coach this team into playing a better brand of football…people still holding on to this man. Ah wondering who really have on the blinders. ???
Define talent pool.
Any players that have been selectively chosen to represent the country. ;)
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Yuh cyah do nutten wid you. :rotfl:
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now we have this dentist where none of the players have confidence in him
You know this for a fact bro?
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All you never see come see ...before you say fire the man...say who you have to replace him? Palos make a valid point and I agree but those that want him fired..name his replacement? Barnes replace Simones and has been somewhat successful with the team...does that make Barnes a better coach than Simones? The hard fact is them forwards squandered the game against Grenada..yes they havent gelled yet but isnt it a fairly new group the man select and trying to mold?? One man ask has the coach improved our local footballers...steups..so we waiting on a National coach to improve we local football?? Come on lay blame where blame is to be laid and stop looking with your blinders on.
Ah waiting.
A national coach responsibility should be; to take what ever talent pool there is available, in that country, teach them how to use their abilities to go forth and wins games. If he can't do that... then he needs to be fired. He knew in the contract when signed that there would have been consequences and or circumstance to him being terminated for not producing. After all the valid evidence everyone has posted about this coach as a result to his lack of ability to coach this team into playing a better brand of football…people still holding on to this man. Ah wondering who really have on the blinders. ???
Define talent pool.
Any players that have been selectively chosen to represent the country. ;)
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Yuh cyah do nutten wid you. :rotfl:
Man have to be on point with alyuh so. ;D Why everybody want to be Arrow so? ???
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I guess it would be appropriate now to inquire why we don't go the route of a Trinidad & Tobago 'A' and a Trinidad & Tobago 'B'? In light of all de 'devalue' talk and your ... very indisciplined definition ;)
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I don't think by firing Maturana is going to solve the problem...I even think if the #1 coach in the world come to coach T&T there will be the same problem.... i think is the players and there acctability, there focus and there discipline
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De last thing Maturana has in his favour is the most important thing.....results. It kinda hard to argue against his results. We beat Usa for the first time in WCQ. We draw with guatemala in guatemala with 10 men for 60 minutes. We beat cuba in cuba. We qualify for the Hex. We draw 3 times with jamaica, 2 of them away games. But we lost to Bermuda and Grenada and we got knocked out of the Gold Cup so he should be fired. Talk about missin de forest for the trees.
I have no problem with Maturana being fired. As I say, he doh inspire me with confidence per se....but I go jes be waitin to see who would be the replacement and what kinda RESULTS they will get. I hope for our sake the results in WCQ doh be less than what we already had.
Very well said and members should take note. What is the priority? The Gold Cup & Hex qualification will all be around the same time. Too many fronts to fight on IMHO.
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I give up C.O.B.O.S to strong and they have bullet proof ears .And allways ask the same ques ,why yah doh like mats and always just come back and say they should keep him .
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I have no problem with Maturana being fired. As I say, he doh inspire me with confidence per se....but I go jes be waitin to see who would be the replacement and what kinda RESULTS they will get. I hope for our sake the results in WCQ doh be less than what we already had.
So if Maturana stays on you don't expect the results against Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras, El Salvador and a full strength USA to be less than what we already had? You expect the winning record to continue against stronger opponents with the team playing the way it is currently?
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sub1, you actually judge my ability as a coach on my so called indecision on firing Maturana? Because I say whover makes that decision should be convinced that the replacement is gonna do better? Lawd :rotfl: :rotfl:. You know who available to coach de team? You know all the details involved in firing and hiring and how this may affect our particular situation? You trying to rough me up because I choose to comment on the quality of de job Maturana doing instead of blindly calling for him to be fired? Allright breds, take win. Ah know men frustrated, but that is a different level of ignorance boss
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I have no problem with Maturana being fired. As I say, he doh inspire me with confidence per se....but I go jes be waitin to see who would be the replacement and what kinda RESULTS they will get. I hope for our sake the results in WCQ doh be less than what we already had.
So if Maturana stays on you don't expect the results against Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras, El Salvador and a full strength USA to be less than what we already had? You expect the winning record to continue against stronger opponents with the team playing the way it is currently?
Are you saying that no matter who replaces Maturana, we guaranteed to do better dan we doin now?
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the only plausible explanation for maturana to be fired is because the fans not happy. and b4 you cuss me for saying that remember the only reason for a national team is for the fans to enjoy. nuttin else.
i on the fence on weather or not he should go but if he does i hope its for an american coach.
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the only plausible explanation for maturana to be fired is because the fans not happy. and b4 you cuss me for saying that remember the only reason for a national team is for the fans to enjoy. nuttin else.
i on the fence on weather or not he should go but if he does i hope its for an american coach.
Like John Carver? 8)
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the only plausible explanation for maturana to be fired is because the fans not happy. and b4 you cuss me for saying that remember the only reason for a national team is for the fans to enjoy. nuttin else.
i on the fence on weather or not he should go but if he does i hope its for an american coach.
Like John Carver? 8)
i feel you does go mad somtimes :-\
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Ah now see de same man who buff mih for being indecisive on this thread choose Latas as #1 replacement head coach, read two other man post, and say " yea, yeah in truth yes ", Fenwick go be better . That is why Palos have yuh miserable. No rhyme or reason to yuh ranting and raving. Make a logical point nah, or is dis just a rah rah thread. Yes, is you ah talking to
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Hire Latapy now, dont wait till we lose the first 2 games
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the only plausible explanation for maturana to be fired is because the fans not happy. and b4 you cuss me for saying that remember the only reason for a national team is for the fans to enjoy. nuttin else.
i on the fence on weather or not he should go but if he does i hope its for an american coach.
Like John Carver? 8)
i feel you does go mad somtimes :-\
;D
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morvant did u get that ? instant playing time yah know
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Let me introduce all yuh 2 d concept of Performnace Mgmt. A coach of d national team must in every language qualify 4 d GC. If u cyah do dat fire him. Talk done winnin record no winnin record u must qualify 4 Gc cyah do dat u aint worth a pint of piss. Mats on top ah dat is stale piss.
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latas never coach ah team in he life. assistant is the furthest he ever make and allyuh want him to take over at a crucial time like this?
since when i became a voice of reason??? i iz normally ah shit talker who doh usaully make sense. so instead ah replying to me now.
look in the mirror (copyright panday)
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What d worse go happen we eh go SA. U tink we goin wit d incumbent. Since we bloodin players leh we blood a coach nah. He go b ready 4 2014
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ah...... guess not ;D
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I have no problem with Maturana being fired. As I say, he doh inspire me with confidence per se....but I go jes be waitin to see who would be the replacement and what kinda RESULTS they will get. I hope for our sake the results in WCQ doh be less than what we already had.
So if Maturana stays on you don't expect the results against Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras, El Salvador and a full strength USA to be less than what we already had? You expect the winning record to continue against stronger opponents with the team playing the way it is currently?
Are you saying that no matter who replaces Maturana, we guaranteed to do better dan we doin now?
Guaranteed to do better? No. Likely to improve our chances of doing better? Yes
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Let me introduce all yuh 2 d concept of Performnace Mgmt. A coach of d national team must in every language qualify 4 d GC. If u cyah do dat fire him. Talk done winnin record no winnin record u must qualify 4 Gc cyah do dat u aint worth a pint of piss. Mats on top ah dat is stale piss.
You sound real accepting ... ;D
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What d worse go happen we eh go SA. U tink we goin wit d incumbent. Since we bloodin players leh we blood a coach nah. He go b ready 4 2014
I remember asking mehself dat once ...what d worse go happen .? ... ah was in races wid meh last $20 ....you really want meh to finish dah story ? you want to gamble with the country's chance to go world cup right ? ...and if " we eh go SA " no big ting right ?
answer me dis ...yuh have a old lamp in yuh house it eh nutten fancy but it working ...man pass outside shouting new lamps for old ... you know de story right ?
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U really feel dis fella could take we 2 Durham? All u happy players gettin blooded I just say blood d coach.
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the only plausible explanation for maturana to be fired is because the fans not happy. and b4 you cuss me for saying that remember the only reason for a national team is for the fans to enjoy. nuttin else.
i on the fence on weather or not he should go but if he does i hope its for an american coach.
So if de team winning and fans still ent happy (not saying anything about the national team)... then that doesn't matter? National pride and being profitable all come second to fans' happiness too?
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What d worse go happen we eh go SA. U tink we goin wit d incumbent. Since we bloodin players leh we blood a coach nah. He go b ready 4 2014
I remember asking mehself dat once ...what d worse go happen .? ... ah was in races wid meh last $20 ....you really want meh to finish dah story ? you want to gamble with the country's chance to go world cup right ? ...and if " we eh go SA " no big ting right ?
answer me dis ...yuh have a old lamp in yuh house it eh nutten fancy but it working ...man pass outside shouting new lamps for old ... you know de story right ?
NO PLAN, NO BRAND AND WE AINT GOING DURBAN
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PREACH IT ARROW
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Ppl who defending Pacho sounding like if you in a burning building and you seeing the smoke eh, but because it didn't reach your floor you think you safe.
But by the time the fire reach you...it too late to escape! You hadda make the move now.
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Ppl who defending Pacho sounding like if you in a burning building and you seeing the smoke eh, but because it didn't reach your floor you think you safe.
But by the time the fire reach you...it too late to escape! You hadda make the move now.
Wey boy Spidey, ah doh know if ah was reading the wrongs threads, but is long time I ent read a post from you boy.
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Ppl who defending Pacho sounding like if you in a burning building and you seeing the smoke eh, but because it didn't reach your floor you think you safe.
But by the time the fire reach you...it too late to escape! You hadda make the move now.
And if you are one of them that calling for him to be fired and thinking just anyone else could do a better job...you would be like the one who just hear a match stick light and you dive out your window yelling the house burnin down.
Again I ask what is the back up plan.. at this crucial stage of the game who is going to come in and most of all is capable to take the wheel and drive like Boodram (Frankie)..?
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Back up plan we have a plan now wit dis fella in 3 games how much time he change d team. I tell all yuh time 2 blood a coach we bloodin players whole year.
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Yes Weary we have a plan now.
Draft in the foreign based and we good to go, dem men goh get we to the promised land inspite of this coach. When we doh have the foreign based then the plan is anything goes....
Wha yuh fretting yuh self for we in de HEX!!!...who cares about some unimportant tournament like the Gold Cup??!!.... ::)
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True dat especially when dEuropean tour is being planned now y fight up 2 play d same teams we facin in d hex when we have France- Platini go organize dat 4 we
Germany- they lookin forward 2 seein more blue devils and ting
Spain- part of there show racism the red card iniative
So GC no importante.
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I don't think by firing Maturana is going to solve the problem...I even think if the #1 coach in the world come to coach T&T there will be the same problem.... i think is the players and there acctability, there focus and there discipline
Najee were you around when we hired a coach we call Beenie, who took what we had and made it work for us to qualify for WC2006?
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Ppl who defending Pacho sounding like if you in a burning building and you seeing the smoke eh, but because it didn't reach your floor you think you safe.
But by the time the fire reach you...it too late to escape! You hadda make the move now.
And if you are one of them that calling for him to be fired and thinking just anyone else could do a better job...you would be like the one who just hear a match stick light and you dive out your window yelling the house burnin down.
Again I ask what is the back up plan.. at this crucial stage of the game who is going to come in and most of all is capable to take the wheel and drive like Boodram (Frankie)..?
Jack has shown that we have the whole world open to us with the hiring of beenhaaker, maturana, simoes and the aborted appointment of Atkinson. I pretty sure we can find a coach to do better than this guy.
Allyuh is really see watch the games and blame the players for letting the coach down and agree that this man is a good coach cause we make the hex? I thought that was a formality since the group of 4 stage in place, anyway? Just like how progressing through a group of 4 caribbean teams was a formality since Trinidad playing football 100 years ago!
I's real feel stupid on this board when i keep reading men saying how Hyland so good and Maturana know what he doing and i just cah see it at all.
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I was looking and looking on ttff site to see if this man get fired yet but no luck please fire this man now!!!!!!!!!!
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I was looking and looking on ttff site to see if this man get fired yet but no luck please fire this man now!!!!!!!!!!
Keep pressing F5
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I was looking and looking on ttff site to see if this man get fired yet but no luck please fire this man now!!!!!!!!!!
I mehself looking at the Guardian and Express everyday like ah tusty. :P
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And for those who said that the Gold Cup wasn’t an important tournament is crazy this is the regional tournament we have to strive to be the best in our regional even the Caribbean Cup is important although it’s a bush league we have to take pride in every tournament we enter this guy is way pass his prime if he was so good he would be coaching Colombia they need a coach now.
fire and brimstone for he arse
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I was looking and looking on ttff site to see if this man get fired yet but no luck please fire this man now!!!!!!!!!!
Keep pressing F5
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Make d TTFF yuh home page so u could it bust d mark when it happen. All who tusty it eh even a mirage
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verbal volley at critics after historic WCQ victory against USA
Source: http://www.trinidadexpress.com
Trinidad and Tobago national team head coach Francisco Maturana was proud to be a part of history on Wednesday night as the hosts recorded their maiden competitive win over the United States at the Hasely Crawford Stadium, Port of Spain.
Trinidad and Tobago's 2-1 win over the US, coupled with a similar triumph by Cuba against Guatemala, virtually assured the "Soca Warriors" of a place in the final CONCACAF qualifying round for the 2010 World Cup.
Guatemala require a win on the road against the United States to progress at the Warriors' expense but, even then, they will need Trinidad and Tobago to lose, in Port of Spain, to a Cuban team they dismantled 3-1 in Havana, two months ago.
Maturana, who was much maligned after last month's 3-0 loss away to the "Yankees", was in high spirits on Wednesday.
"The people of Trinidad and Tobago will always remember this game," said Maturana, through translator Professor Ancil Glod. "I feel very, very contented."
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Yeah right
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palos u realll like to play eh horse??? lol!!! :beermug:
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He luv it
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I guess he have to lose the first 2 games in the hex to get fire
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I guess he have to lose the first 2 games in the hex to get fire
I think that would be a dunce move. That will be like playing Russian roulette with two bullets, don’t’ you think?
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Lose the first game and that could be the end of the road.
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Lose the first game and that could be the end of the road.
what if we wins it ? how would you feel then ...let me guess ..you go say flukes leh we see de second game !
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Lose the first game and that could be the end of the road.
what if we wins it ? how would you feel then ...let me guess ..you go say flukes leh we see de second game !
If by some miracle we make it to de world cup under maturana....peeps here will still want him fired because then the argument will be....."he flukes he way thru to de world cup but we go get expose when de likes of paraguay, england and sweden come wit all dey guns blazain fuh we tail"....or sumting along dem lines.
Some will even point to the failure to qualify for the Gold Cup and equate that failure with World Cup qualification. Ah could jes see de post now...."If u car qualify me 4 d goal cup den me eh care if u qualify fuh world cup, u need 2 b fired! It's called Performance Management!" ;D
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Lose the first game and that could be the end of the road.
what if we wins it ? how would you feel then ...let me guess ..you go say flukes leh we see de second game !
the first match is against El Salvador the weakest team in the group so he supposed to win that and the next is Honduras home so we supposed to win that too. So unless we beat/draw USA away on April 1 then he hasn't achieved anything - the 1st 6 points are already ours unless Maturana screws it up
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Well guy's i just hear on Ctnt new that Lata will be in T&T to take up assistant position on the senior team staff on the 23rd of this month...so were that leave Maturana...ah guess his day's is number
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On TV6 Jack say a major shake up in the technical staff coming. Dwight and Latas going to play a greater role. Oh Lord I pray, please let Jack have some wisdom and FIRE MATURANA AND CORNEAL NOW!!!
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I'll have see to believe,a good move if true...............I hope
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yea najee, ah hear someting like dat too.
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All yu still listening to Jack,Falkirk say they don't know anything about Latas going anywhere,i does really have to laugh sometimes.
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Jack say T&T supposed to beat Grenada with 6 men. He also said " I doh want to hear about team selection" Carapichaima or Mucorapo woulda beat Grenada. Serious !! :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Jack say T&T supposed to beat Grenada with 6 men. He also said " I doh want to hear about team selection" Carapichaima or Mucorapo woulda beat Grenada. Serious !!
Yes he did say that, I heard it also :rotfl: All in all it sounds like Maturana and hopefully Corneal will be gone. Time to bring in a top quality coach and bury the hatchet with the government and have some serious dialogue on getting the National Team to the WC.
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keep this thread the pressure going
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Jack say T&T supposed to beat Grenada with 6 men. He also said " I doh want to hear about team selection" Carapichaima or Mucorapo woulda beat Grenada. Serious !! :rotfl: :rotfl:
Hmmm....Then if it aint team selction then it must be the ......... Well boy Jack if you did your home work before hiring then you would have known that this man was summarily dismissed by both Honduras and Costa Rica. I am sure they were all chuckling when you announced him as national coach. Which again proves my point about you Jack. You know little about the game but you are a great international conman. And you are great for comic relief.
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Hey Palos liked concept of Performance Mgmt reach d TTFF. Fool me once ... as d man leader say wake me up when get d axe.
Yes if he eh get d axe d cobeau brand go b world class naturally good.
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Lose the first game and that could be the end of the road.
what if we wins it ? how would you feel then ...let me guess ..you go say flukes leh we see de second game !
the first match is against El Salvador the weakest team in the group so he supposed to win that and the next is Honduras home so we supposed to win that too. So unless we beat/draw USA away on April 1 then he hasn't achieved anything - the 1st 6 points are already ours unless Maturana screws it up
:rotfl:
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Jack talking about Dwight and Latas in the coaching mix-up. Please give us a break with that. I thought they were already part of the coaching staff.
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Lose the first game and that could be the end of the road.
what if we wins it ? how would you feel then ...let me guess ..you go say flukes leh we see de second game !
If by some miracle we make it to de world cup under maturana....peeps here will still want him fired because then the argument will be....."he flukes he way thru to de world cup but we go get expose when de likes of paraguay, england and sweden come wit all dey guns blazain fuh we tail"....or sumting along dem lines.
Some will even point to the failure to qualify for the Gold Cup and equate that failure with World Cup qualification. Ah could jes see de post now...."If u car qualify me 4 d goal cup den me eh care if u qualify fuh world cup, u need 2 b fired! It's called Performance Management!" ;D
But like you ent know that we go still fine some ting to talk about. So is luck you want we to depend on with that man at de helm?
Yes we will bring back ah tread about not qualifying for the Gold Cup, because any body that knows the game of football, knows that if your team in the hex, yuh should be beating underclass teams like the ones who beat we in the Digicel, hands down.
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Yes we will bring back ah tread about not qualifying for the Gold Cup, because any body that knows the game of football, knows that if your team in the hex, yuh should be beating underclass teams like the ones who beat we in the Digicel, hands down.
Like de 1998 Jamaican Reggae Boyz Team dat did Qualify fuh de World Cup but did fail to qualify fuh de Gold Cup and had was to beg Canada to drop out and let dem play? Guess dem didn't know bout football eedah eh? ;D
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Jack say T&T supposed to beat Grenada with 6 men. He also said " I doh want to hear about team selection" Carapichaima or Mucorapo woulda beat Grenada. Serious !! :rotfl: :rotfl:
ah like dat! is about time jack say/do something....thank you father!
i did give up, but if dais de kinda fire jack spitting, well there is hope for we....ah rather lose wid anybody else besides dat ass pacho
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ah rather lose wid anybody else besides dat ass pacho
De talk is Hannibal Najjar comin back to take we thru de Hex and into de World Cup.
Doh axe meh why or anyting so. How ah buy it is how ah sellin it. Me eh mekkin no profit.
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Once Jack paper in jeopardy he go act... allyuh ent see Jack sure to lorse out because we ent make the Gold Cup... TV rights... Simpauls airfare... all kinda thing!
Blacklist, good coach, bad coach, sports minister, it doh matter... doh play with Jack money!
Let we see what in de works
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160,000US ah blieve he lost so if Najjar accordin 2 Palos go make Jack money Najjar it is.
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fire anton. its he picking all sort of nonsence players
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Well a wonder if Jack really serious ,cause trying to get rid of Muturana remind me of this classic Kaiso
http://www.cbc.ca/radio2/cod/codPlayer.html?http://www.cbc.ca/radio2/media/20080313david/05.asx#David%20Rudder%27s%20Calypso%20Journey|Corbeaux%20Following
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Jack say T&T supposed to beat Grenada with 6 men. He also said " I doh want to hear about team selection" Carapichaima or Mucorapo woulda beat Grenada. Serious !! :rotfl: :rotfl:
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Seriously now...
MATURANA MUST GO!!....
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Jack say T&T supposed to beat Grenada with 6 men. He also said " I doh want to hear about team selection" Carapichaima or Mucorapo woulda beat Grenada. Serious !! :rotfl: :rotfl:
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Seriously now...
MATURANA MUST GO!!....
Going going going GONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeee
He days numbered, correlates to Latas new permanent role!!! Adios Mats! :beermug:
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Ciao! Pacho. Diga oi ao donkey's por mim. ;D
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You know how much $$$ Warner gonna lose by not making a Gold cup appearance??? heads gonna roll
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come on Jack! Give us the best christmas gift!
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Lose the first game and that could be the end of the road.
what if we wins it ? how would you feel then ...let me guess ..you go say flukes leh we see de second game !
You really miss understanding me brother. I don't want to lose, you feel I happy losing? I want us to win and every game we play, but I love to see good football at the same time.
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De talk is Hannibal Najjar comin back to take we thru de Hex and into de World Cup.
Doh F**K with we nah man. He jus as bad as Pacho. Man if dat true crapo smoke we pipe :frustrated:
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Moving Pacho now, and replacing him with Latas, puts too much pressure on Latas to succeed first go. All yuh really feel Latas up to that challenge? As of now - with Pacho - man expect we to lose, but with Latas he have to win (remember the Costa Rican).
With Latas the only changes go be we back to 4-4-2 (no problem with that), and we may see a slight improvement in we offensive midfield. He will use mostly older, less fit players who from experience will find it very difficult during de hex.
This possible move by JW is his way of appeasing de fans assuring him and the TTFF of some quality pay dates during de hex, and the friendlies. JW want fans in de stands, and he knows that de only way to do that is to give them what dey want, and when/if we don't qualify - he goh say well ah give all yuh what all yuh wanted, de fans cah blame him, and he come out clean - de man know guerilla PR.
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this is de only country i know where the administration does appoint an assistant coach . everywhere else man does appoint a coach and de coach does bring he assistant.... warner tried that with Beenie and latas ...you know how that went.
he tell mats the same ting with latas earlier ...mats say he already have an assistant ....
the saga continues ....
all ah allyuh who saying bring dis one and bring dat one ...allyuh tink big coach does stand for dat ? jack running de ting like is joe public !
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Jai John,
The administration. Plural or singular. Yuh mean Jack.
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Jai John,
The administration. Plural or singular. Yuh mean Jack.
yeah the administration of one by one for one will not perish. that is administration ! Is de only country where an adviser to the president makes all de decisions ..al de president has to do is ...stay silent ! We have de perfect man for de job. His previous ststement ..." ask jack " got him in trouble ...so he eh saying hutten again.
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this is de only country i know where the administration does appoint an assistant coach . everywhere else man does appoint a coach and de coach does bring he assistant.... warner tried that with Beenie and latas ...you know how that went.
he tell mats the same ting with latas earlier ...mats say he already have an assistant ....
the saga continues ....
all ah allyuh who saying bring dis one and bring dat one ...allyuh tink big coach does stand for dat ? jack running de ting like is joe public !
I see your points and understand where comin from, but what is annoying is the fact that u continually, conveniently and stubbornly ignore the fact that maturana has glaring deficiencies, in every department when it comes to coaching, choosing instead to blame the players and everything else except where most of that blame lies, with the coach, I my opinion all involved players, admin, coaching are culpable for the present state of the senior game but once u get on the field, its all coaching and as such your tactics should reflect a clear understanding of the players at your disposal and he has not done enough to prove that he knows anything about the player he selects. outside of keon, kaleem and akile there are few other that can be consider cemented into the team, even while producing creditable performances............ and this to u is not grounds to doubt the coaches instincts......and I use the term loosely
dais some damn good "pineapple express" u smokin dey boy, it blow yuh u mind good
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So we calling for Maturana to be fired now... to bring who? Najjar? Allyuh joking oui lol
Make sense nah. Men want Maturana score goals for the team too. We throw away about 4 clear chances against Grenada, and get a draw against a close to full strength Jamaica in Jamaica with a mostly local team. Didn't we win the games that really counted just a month or so ago?
So we eh qualify for the Gold Cup. That means we not allowed to play any friendlies?
Yeah we all disappointed but we too quick to fire people when we need to face the facts:
1) Is not now that we see that the local players not ready. Didn't we lose to St. Kitts just a year or so ago?
2) Foreign-based players will always make up the crux of our team. Yes, expecting a local team to beat hungry Caribbean team is asking plenty.
3) Why do we continue to pretend that our players are so "talented" and superior to other islands when really it isn't so? Our youth teams continue to struggle in international and regional competitions.
4) Putting Latas in as coach is not a good move right now. He is an inexperienced coach at the international level, and has not even consistently been a head coach at the club level. Yes, it would be nice to have the boss as coach for sentimental reasons, but apart from the short-term spike in confidence in the players that it may bring we will lose out in the medium term.
5) We will qualify... just not with the local-based players playing a major role.
And any coach, Maturana, Beenhakker or even Latas himself could tell you that.
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Palos boi me eh know yuh word soooooooooooo good. U say Hannibal comin back and all man panickin. We sure we have a hound 1 maybe comin but we have a hound.
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So we calling for Maturana to be fired now... to bring who? Najjar? Allyuh joking oui lol
Make sense nah. Men want Maturana score goals for the team too. We throw away about 4 clear chances against Grenada, and get a draw against a close to full strength Jamaica in Jamaica with a mostly local team. Didn't we win the games that really counted just a month or so ago?
So we eh qualify for the Gold Cup. That means we not allowed to play any friendlies?
Yeah we all disappointed but we too quick to fire people when we need to face the facts:
1) Is not now that we see that the local players not ready. Didn't we lose to St. Kitts just a year or so ago?
2) Foreign-based players will always make up the crux of our team. Yes, expecting a local team to beat hungry Caribbean team is asking plenty.
3) Why do we continue to pretend that our players are so "talented" and superior to other islands when really it isn't so? Our youth teams continue to struggle in international and regional competitions.
4) Putting Latas in as coach is not a good move right now. He is an inexperienced coach at the international level, and has not even consistently been a head coach at the club level. Yes, it would be nice to have the boss as coach for sentimental reasons, but apart from the short-term spike in confidence in the players that it may bring we will lose out in the medium term.
5) We will qualify... just not with the local-based players playing a major role.
And any coach, Maturana, Beenhakker or even Latas himself could tell you that.
Jahyouth truthfully answer me this question. Do you really believe that Maturana has made a difference in the teams play; since becoming coach of our national team: also prior to Latas, Yorke and Brichall returning to national duties?
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To fire Maturana and bring Latas could be a very big mistake. Yeah I don';t think Maturana have the team playing well, but he have insight in managing in international games (though they may be outdated). Latas will be a fool to accept the full head coaching job now or within the next 6 months (that is if we still have a chance in the HEX).
He can be Head Trainer or something like that, but we need someone who have been there before as a coach and can get the job of the team looking good done.
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To fire Maturana and bring Latas could be a very big mistake. Yeah I don';t think Maturana have the team playing well, but he have insight in managing in international games (though they may be outdated). Latas will be a fool to accept the full head coaching job now or within the next 6 months (that is if we still have a chance in the HEX).
He can be Head Trainer or something like that, but we need someone who have been there before as a coach and can get the job of the team looking good done.
Elan why you say that Latas wld be a mistake now for? He knows our players, their talents, and he has their respect, and admiration. He's versed with our culture in nd out football, apoart from which he seems to be gaining relevant experience at falkirk... :beermug:
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To fire Maturana and bring Latas could be a very big mistake. Yeah I don';t think Maturana have the team playing well, but he have insight in managing in international games (though they may be outdated). Latas will be a fool to accept the full head coaching job now or within the next 6 months (that is if we still have a chance in the HEX).
He can be Head Trainer or something like that, but we need someone who have been there before as a coach and can get the job of the team looking good done.
Elan why you say that Latas wld be a mistake now for? He knows our players, their talents, and he has their respect, and admiration. He's versed with our culture in nd out football, apoart from which he seems to be gaining relevant experience at falkirk... :beermug:
Managing at the international level is a different level than club managing. You have a whole different set up, in less time to prepare, greater outside involvement, etc. Latapy taking on this headache now may not be good for his image and influence.
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To fire Maturana and bring Latas could be a very big mistake. Yeah I don';t think Maturana have the team playing well, but he have insight in managing in international games (though they may be outdated). Latas will be a fool to accept the full head coaching job now or within the next 6 months (that is if we still have a chance in the HEX).
He can be Head Trainer or something like that, but we need someone who have been there before as a coach and can get the job of the team looking good done.
Elan why you say that Latas wld be a mistake now for? He knows our players, their talents, and he has their respect, and admiration. He's versed with our culture in nd out football, apoart from which he seems to be gaining relevant experience at falkirk... :beermug:
Managing at the international level is a different level than club managing. You have a whole different set up, in less time to prepare, greater outside involvement, etc. Latapy taking on this headache now may not be good for his image and influence.
that's a good point eight u know,.............no not changing my position on maturana, just saying good points, but I am really not expecting warner to hire anyone else unless dey local, want a bligh and does kiss he ass regular, or cheap if from foriegn
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Since Latapy come een like de driver driving good ? the warriors movin smooth ? Is still Maturana as head coach right ?
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I right here Jai...right here
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motivation from Uruguyans Aníbal Ruíz and Luis Cubilla, he started managing Colombian team Once Caldas in 1986. The following year the Colombia Soccer Federation hired him to manage the national team's youth squad and then was quickly promoted to manage the Senior Squad to compete in the 1987 Copa America where they reached third place by beating the host Argentina. During this time, he was also hired to manage his former team Atlético Nacional. Then in 1989 he had his most successful year in his career. He led Atlético Nacional,composed of many Colombian legends, to win the Copa Libertadores for the first time for any Colombian club. Using Atlético Nacional players as a base for the National Team, he qualified the team to the 1990 World Cup after 28 years of absence. In December, he lost the Intercontinental Cup to AC Milan at the last minute of overtime. An upset to what would have been the perfect season. The following year he led Colombia to its best perfermance in World Cup competition by reaching the second round and losing to Cameroon.
After the World Cup, he was hired as coach of Spain's Real Valladolid. In 1993 he was voted as the South American coach of the year by El Pais and he was ranked third in Spanish Newspaper Marca's list of the worlds greatest managers.
He returned to Colombia in 1992. and got his team América de Cali champion of Colombia. In 1993 he got Colombia qualified for a second time in a row to a World Cup, with a historic triumph over Argentina in Buenos Aires by 5-0. That score made Colombia a surprising favorite for the 1994 World Cup, but the performance there was disappointing, as the team was eliminated in the first round, being defeated by such teams as the United States and Romania.
He had later a brief stint as coach of Atlético Madrid and in 1995 he was hired as the trainer of Ecuador National Football Team. After failing to get Ecuador qualified for the 1998 FIFA World Cup, he returned to Colombia to coach Millonarios.
In 1999 he briefly coached Costa Rica, and in 2000 he also coached for a few months Peru. He would later return to coach Colombia for the 2001 Copa América, winning it for the first time. His latest jobs as a coach would include Saudi Arabian side Al-Hilal, where he won the domestic league and the Asian Champions League and a new stint for Colombia and Argentina's Colón de Santa Fe.
Francisco Maturana is considered to be one of the greatest South American coaches of all time and a legend of the Colombian game.
He worked for FIFA as a technical adviser where he has hold various coaching seminars around the world with the likes of Fabio Capello and Cesar Menotti.
In April 2007 Maturana accepted an offer from Argentine Club de Gimnasia y Esgrima La Plata. He directed his first game on April 22, 2007, the derby against Estudiantes de La Plata. In August 2007 Maturana ended his relationship with Club de Gimnasia y Esgrima La Plata
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Jai, I unnna stan, but even Pele would have a hard time coaching under dem in the TTFF
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Who have we ever had before more qualified to take us to WC than this man ???? ..and when we get there this time we want to win ah game ..or try to !
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Pele would have a hard time coaching under dem in the TTFF
man doh realise is jack warner you have to deal with in T&T... you could be coach , Tech Director, Panday or even Prime minister .. jack is usually your biggest hurdle ... and dat TTFF ??? well ..you hav eto have gumption to ignore their incompetencies !!!
I say give Mats a first game vs el salvador ..what say you ?
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Pele would have a hard time coaching under dem in the TTFF
man doh realise is jack warner you have to deal with in T&T... you could be coach , Tech Director, Panday or even Prime minister .. jack is usually your biggest hurdle ... and dat TTFF ??? well ..you hav eto have gumption to ignore their incompetencies !!!
I say give Mats a first game vs el salvador ..what say you ?
"Stay the Course Capt"
buh doh forget "the captain of the Titanic said the same thing" ;)
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so why he doh open he fu#kin mouth every now and den and say some fuc%ing ting...dais all
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so why he doh open he fu#kin mouth every now and den and say some fuc%ing ting...dais all
he is in a classic situation
read this and get back to me (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0684833395/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link) ;)
jmho
clarification: I not saying it is the right thing to do
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This is madness. What is Jack Warner waiting for to get rid of El cobo, until we loose the next game.
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Pele would have a hard time coaching under dem in the TTFF
man doh realise is jack warner you have to deal with in T&T... you could be coach , Tech Director, Panday or even Prime minister .. jack is usually your biggest hurdle ... and dat TTFF ??? well ..you hav eto have gumption to ignore their incompetencies !!!
I say give Mats a first game vs el salvador ..what say you ?
first game done... now what?
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He should resign
anyone have he email address??
thedumbist@cobo.com
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He should resign
anyone have he email address??
thedumbist@cobo.com
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He should resign
anyone have he email address??
thedumbist@cobo.com
:rotfl: :rotfl:
for getting a point on the road ??? ???
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He should resign
anyone have he email address??
thedumbist@cobo.com
:rotfl: :rotfl:
for getting a point on the road ??? ???
To be honest
I was laughing at the email addy
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He should resign
anyone have he email address??
thedumbist@cobo.com
try texting him
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He should resign
anyone have he email address??
thedumbist@cobo.com
:rotfl: :rotfl:
for getting a point on the road ??? ???
No!! for losing the degicel cup and missing a place in the GC. for blowing a 2-0 lead on the road, and for conceding late in every single game we played. last but not least for picking all the wrong players , ah bunch ah green mango when he have access to all our players except for jack , sancho and andrews.
i'm 100% sure that any other coach, wim including, would never blow such a big lead with 10 mins left on the clock.
let this man go coach the bajans or the antiguans if they want , but he's not helping our football! he's hurting it. let him go now!!!
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Just Cool,
Doh mention Wim. He got the same treatment what Pacho getting now.
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The Serenity Prayer
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
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Just Cool,
Doh mention Wim. He got the same treatment what Pacho getting now.
Breds like yuh memory short? wim didn't have access to any WC players except bleeder and shitty spann.
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Just Cool,
Doh mention Wim. He got the same treatment what Pacho getting now.
Breds like yuh memory short? wim didn't have access to any WC players except bleeder and shitty spann.
Nah boi I really need 2 make dat appt by d eye dr. I seein tings.
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He should resign
anyone have he email address??
thedumbist@cobo.com
:rotfl: I going an act dumb an e-mail he fuh real. :rotfl:
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He should resign
anyone have he email address??
thedumbist@cobo.com
:rotfl: I going an act dumb an e-mail he fuh real. :rotfl:
Send it 2 ttff1908@yahoo.com, shaunfuentes@yahoo.com and he go forward it
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Just Cool,
Doh mention Wim. He got the same treatment what Pacho getting now.
Breds like yuh memory short? wim didn't have access to any WC players except bleeder and shitty spann.
Nah boi I really need 2 make dat appt by d eye dr. I seein tings.
Madam , don't missunderstand me please! i never hated wim , that was two other fellas, and not me!
i'm an honest fella that's all, i call it as i see it. positive.
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Just Cool,
Doh mention Wim. He got the same treatment what Pacho getting now.
Breds like yuh memory short? wim didn't have access to any WC players except bleeder and shitty spann.
Nah boi I really need 2 make dat appt by d eye dr. I seein tings.
Madam , don't missunderstand me please! i never hated wim , that was two other fellas, and not me!
i'm an honest fella that's all, i call it as i see it. positive.
LOUDDDDDDDDDDD STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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If we had Wim still with all the foreign based players we would have topped the group of 4...and we would have been on top currently after slamming el salvador for 5
he had a local based team knocking better than our best team at the moment...
the blacklist and dat jackass tiger phillips cause the man a job and the chance to show that he was the right man for the job after beenie
but the colombian puppet could take talk and embarrassment....what kind of coach accepts a federation to just slam a player into an assistant role? he have to be getting:a) alot of bills or b) he is just a stupid dumb puppet... i'll stick with answer b
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If we had Wim still with all the foreign based players we would have topped the group of 4...and we would have been on top currently after slamming el salvador for 5
he had a local based team knocking better than our best team at the moment...
the blacklist and dat jackass tiger phillips cause the man a job and the chance to show that he was the right man for the job after beenie
but the colombian puppet could take talk and embarrassment....what kind of coach accepts a federation to just slam a player into an assistant role? he have to be getting:a) alot of bills or b) he is just a stupid dumb puppet... i'll stick with answer b
SM get ovah yuh tabanca
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If we had Wim still with all the foreign based players we would have topped the group of 4...and we would have been on top currently after slamming el salvador for 5
he had a local based team knocking better than our best team at the moment...
the blacklist and dat jackass tiger phillips cause the man a job and the chance to show that he was the right man for the job after beenie
but the colombian puppet could take talk and embarrassment....what kind of coach accepts a federation to just slam a player into an assistant role? he have to be getting:a) alot of bills or b) he is just a stupid dumb puppet... i'll stick with answer b
SM get ovah yuh tabanca
Why you dont like Wim...was de reasons?
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If we had Wim still with all the foreign based players we would have topped the group of 4...and we would have been on top currently after slamming el salvador for 5
he had a local based team knocking better than our best team at the moment...
the blacklist and dat jackass tiger phillips cause the man a job and the chance to show that he was the right man for the job after beenie
but the colombian puppet could take talk and embarrassment....what kind of coach accepts a federation to just slam a player into an assistant role? he have to be getting:a) alot of bills or b) he is just a stupid dumb puppet... i'll stick with answer b
SM get ovah yuh tabanca
Why you dont like Wim...was de reasons?
SM d amt ah cuss I get 4 Wim u 4get he is meh man. I just tellin u what a sea creature told me.
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If we had Wim still with all the foreign based players we would have topped the group of 4...and we would have been on top currently after slamming el salvador for 5
he had a local based team knocking better than our best team at the moment...
the blacklist and dat jackass tiger phillips cause the man a job and the chance to show that he was the right man for the job after beenie
but the colombian puppet could take talk and embarrassment....what kind of coach accepts a federation to just slam a player into an assistant role? he have to be getting:a) alot of bills or b) he is just a stupid dumb puppet... i'll stick with answer b
SM get ovah yuh tabanca
Why you dont like Wim...was de reasons?
SM d amt ah cuss I get 4 Wim u 4get he is meh man. I just tellin u what a sea creature told me.
haha cool
the point is I would have prefered Wim over dumbist...hell i'll take Bertille over Dumbist
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If we had Wim still with all the foreign based players we would have topped the group of 4...and we would have been on top currently after slamming el salvador for 5
he had a local based team knocking better than our best team at the moment...
the blacklist and dat jackass tiger phillips cause the man a job and the chance to show that he was the right man for the job after beenie
but the colombian puppet could take talk and embarrassment....what kind of coach accepts a federation to just slam a player into an assistant role? he have to be getting:a) alot of bills or b) he is just a stupid dumb puppet... i'll stick with answer b
SM get ovah yuh tabanca
Why you dont like Wim...was de reasons?
SM d amt ah cuss I get 4 Wim u 4get he is meh man. I just tellin u what a sea creature told me.
haha cool
the point is I would have prefered Wim over dumbist...hell i'll take Bertille over Dumbist
Sadddddddd but true we wishin 4 d days of BSC.
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he used shit tactics... why did he bring on glen, when we were up a goal?
eh, why not bring on a defensive player to run at the heels of those salvadorians eh?
why the f**k was dennis lawrence blockin ince in the post, so he could try to toss his f**kin head at a shot?
how f**king stupid is that!?
what team employs that tactic and does it ever work!?
why was ince on that last play not marking the open side of the goal when dennis lawrence was supposed to be on it, you're suppose to be on that open side of the goal even if dennis lawrence wasnt on it... basic shit that doesnt happen to any team but ours, or atleast any successful team, the man is a f**king jackass.
i doh care what yuh say the careless and lack of ability to motivate his players from that game is enough evidence, yes he geh columbia into the wc great f**kin job, he also did it while they had a particular grap of very talented players.
and i garantee you, if we do get into this WC which im still quite hopeful for, it will again be because he has inherited a good group of footballers.
i've given the man time and ive been mostly quite, but this is shit.
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Wim was football trash , get over him.
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This is madness. What is Jack Warner waiting for to get rid of El cobo, until we loose the next game.
he used shit tactics... why did he bring on glen, when we were up a goal?
eh, why not bring on a defensive player to run at the heels of those salvadorians eh?
why the f**k was dennis lawrence blockin ince in the post, so he could try to toss his f**kin head at a shot?
how f**king stupid is that!?
what team employs that tactic and does it ever work!?
why was ince on that last play not marking the open side of the goal when dennis lawrence was supposed to be on it, you're suppose to be on that open side of the goal even if dennis lawrence wasnt on it... basic shit that doesnt happen to any team but ours, or atleast any successful team, the man is a f**king jackass.
i doh care what yuh say the careless and lack of ability to motivate his players from that game is enough evidence, yes he geh columbia into the wc great f**kin job, he also did it while they had a particular grap of very talented players.
and i garantee you, if we do get into this WC which im still quite hopeful for, it will again be because he has inherited a good group of footballers.
i've given the man time and ive been mostly quite, but this is shit.
Seeing that the mark buss is Latapy who was in charge for the game vs El Salvador, what now?
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Elan you is the Devil yah know .
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Elan you is the Devil yah know .
That's okay. ;D I can make objective observation.
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Wim was football trash , get over him.
.....and Maturana is the corbeaux that keep circling the trash....
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Wim was football trash , get over him.
.....and Maturana is the corbeaux that keep circling the trash....
Ah luv it copyrights 2 Mr. Samuel
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This is madness. What is Jack Warner waiting for to get rid of El cobo, until we loose the next game.
he used shit tactics... why did he bring on glen, when we were up a goal?
eh, why not bring on a defensive player to run at the heels of those salvadorians eh?
why the f**k was dennis lawrence blockin ince in the post, so he could try to toss his f**kin head at a shot?
how f**king stupid is that!?
what team employs that tactic and does it ever work!?
why was ince on that last play not marking the open side of the goal when dennis lawrence was supposed to be on it, you're suppose to be on that open side of the goal even if dennis lawrence wasnt on it... basic shit that doesnt happen to any team but ours, or atleast any successful team, the man is a f**king jackass.
i doh care what yuh say the careless and lack of ability to motivate his players from that game is enough evidence, yes he geh columbia into the wc great f**kin job, he also did it while they had a particular grap of very talented players.
and i garantee you, if we do get into this WC which im still quite hopeful for, it will again be because he has inherited a good group of footballers.
i've given the man time and ive been mostly quite, but this is shit.
Seeing that the mark buss is Latapy who was in charge for the game vs El Salvador, what now?
Latas making this statement, I guess he was just talking huh “He (Maturana) is the head coach and the only philosophy and opinion that counts is his. We have to try and do what he’s teaching us and is asking of us.”
We can only assume of what we hearing are true and try to make sense out of “rumors” we hearing from de bad grape vines hanging around here, :heehee: of who really running things with the team. This further tells me, if there is any truth to Latas running the ship in El Salvador, is the real coach is ah bam bam. If he allowing the assistant to fully take charge while he’s present sitting on de bench…like he mouth was duck tape. If I’m running an organization and the President sitting back and allowing the vice President to make dumb decisions to cause the Company to go bankrupt…then tell me who is really the one who stupid and need to be fired?
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This is madness. What is Jack Warner waiting for to get rid of El cobo, until we loose the next game.
he used shit tactics... why did he bring on glen, when we were up a goal?
eh, why not bring on a defensive player to run at the heels of those salvadorians eh?
why the f**k was dennis lawrence blockin ince in the post, so he could try to toss his f**kin head at a shot?
how f**king stupid is that!?
what team employs that tactic and does it ever work!?
why was ince on that last play not marking the open side of the goal when dennis lawrence was supposed to be on it, you're suppose to be on that open side of the goal even if dennis lawrence wasnt on it... basic shit that doesnt happen to any team but ours, or atleast any successful team, the man is a f**king jackass.
i doh care what yuh say the careless and lack of ability to motivate his players from that game is enough evidence, yes he geh columbia into the wc great f**kin job, he also did it while they had a particular grap of very talented players.
and i garantee you, if we do get into this WC which im still quite hopeful for, it will again be because he has inherited a good group of footballers.
i've given the man time and ive been mostly quite, but this is shit.
Seeing that the mark buss is Latapy who was in charge for the game vs El Salvador, what now?
Latas making this statement, I guess he was just talking huh “He (Maturana) is the head coach and the only philosophy and opinion that counts is his. We have to try and do what he’s teaching us and is asking of us.”
We can only assume of what we hearing are true and try to make sense out of “rumors” we hearing from de bad grape vines hanging around here, :heehee: of who really running things with the team. This further tells me, if there is any truth to Latas running the ship in El Salvador, is the real coach is ah bam bam. If he allowing the assistant to fully take charge while he’s present sitting on de bench…like he mouth was duck tape. If I’m running an organization and the President sitting back and allowing the vice President to make dumb decisions …to cause the Company to go bankruptthen tell me who is really the one who stupid and need to be fired?
well dat is how maturana gt there to begin with camps sit back and waner hire who he want
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Tings easier 4 Mats b4 it was D snr chipmunk who was runnin tings so nuff ah he bmobile minutes ue up havin 2 call and text 4 d line up changes etc. Now Latas rite dey so he savin he minutes 2 call wifey back home 2 say is d easiest piece a change I ever make.
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Allyuh notice how this thread is becoming one of the longer ones on this forum?!!
Wonder if the powers that be will take any notice before its too late?! :notlistening:
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Allyuh notice how this thread is becoming one of the longer ones on this forum?!!
Wonder if the powers that be will take any notice before its too late?! :notlistening:
Too late learn dis meh brudder I did
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
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Bottom line........accountability for results and performance lies squarely on the player. The coach does that play the game, the fitness of the player is the direct responsibility of a true PROFESSIONAL player.
Despite the system employed by a a coach, despite the substitutions, and despite anything out of the player's control, the one constant variable is the player's performance and decision making ability on that field. If the players are not up to that task, then "the blame dear Brutus lies not in the starts but within.....( Shakespeare's Julius Caesar).
Bottom line... our players have to take a degree of responsibility for results; look in the mirror and answer to the image as to if they felt they were honest in bringing their A game to the field on any given day.
I am not here to honour the coach nor to praise him but I do think that the evil that men do live after them the good is often interred with their bones...
We need to rise up when all hope appears to be lost. In Viktor's Frankl's book " Man's Search for Meaning" , he states, " Even the helpless victim of a hopeless situation, facing a fate he cannot change, may rise above himself, may grow beyond himself , and by so doing change himself. He may turn a personal tragedy into a triumph."
So as we turn our attention to hypothetical reasons for defeat, we ought to look at the current reality and take lessons so as to not perpetuate or attribute our defeats unto others. In setback like these all men have to look into that mirror and answer questions as to their role in the outcome!!!!
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Bottom line........accountability for results and performance lies squarely on the player. The coach does that play the game, the fitness of the player is the direct responsibility of a true PROFESSIONAL player.
Despite the system employed by a a coach, despite the substitutions, and despite anything out of the player's control, the one constant variable is the player's performance and decision making ability on that field. If the players are not up to that task, then "the blame dear Brutus lies not in the starts but within.....( Shakespeare's Julius Caesar).
Bottom line... our players have to take a degree of responsibility for results; look in the mirror and answer to the image as to if they felt they were honest in bringing their A game to the field on any given day.
I am not here to honour the coach nor to praise him but I do think that the evil that men do live after them the good is often interred with their bones...
We need to rise up when all hope appears to be lost. In Viktor's Frankl's book " Man's Search for Meaning" , he states, " Even the helpless victim of a hopeless situation, facing a fate he cannot change, may rise above himself, may grow beyond himself , and by so doing change himself. He may turn a personal tragedy into a triumph."
So as we turn our attention to hypothetical reasons for defeat, we ought to look at the current reality and take lessons so as to not perpetuate or attribute our defeats unto others. In setback like these all men have to look into that mirror and answer questions as to their role in the outcome!!!!
AB, I agree with a lot of what you said, but in essence I believe a lot of it falls on the coach as well. He has to examine himself and realize whether he is also a true professional...just as his players must show professionalism themselves. He plays the role of mentor and tutor to his charges and if he does not impart his knowledge and experience in the best way possible, then he is just as culpable. Note I didn't say to the best of his ability...but the best way possible. When a student of the game looking to the senior man to aid in his development and that senior lacks the competence to aid in the development then he has to shoulder some responsibility too. Children live what they learn.
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Bottom line........accountability for results and performance lies squarely on the player. The coach does that play the game, the fitness of the player is the direct responsibility of a true PROFESSIONAL player.
Despite the system employed by a a coach, despite the substitutions, and despite anything out of the player's control, the one constant variable is the player's performance and decision making ability on that field. If the players are not up to that task, then "the blame dear Brutus lies not in the starts but within.....( Shakespeare's Julius Caesar).
Bottom line... our players have to take a degree of responsibility for results; look in the mirror and answer to the image as to if they felt they were honest in bringing their A game to the field on any given day.
I am not here to honour the coach nor to praise him but I do think that the evil that men do live after them the good is often interred with their bones...
We need to rise up when all hope appears to be lost. In Viktor's Frankl's book " Man's Search for Meaning" , he states, " Even the helpless victim of a hopeless situation, facing a fate he cannot change, may rise above himself, may grow beyond himself , and by so doing change himself. He may turn a personal tragedy into a triumph."
So as we turn our attention to hypothetical reasons for defeat, we ought to look at the current reality and take lessons so as to not perpetuate or attribute our defeats unto others. In setback like these all men have to look into that mirror and answer questions as to their role in the outcome!!!!
AB, I agree with a lot of what you said, but in essence I believe a lot of it falls on the coach as well. He has to examine himself and realize whether he is also a true professional...just as his players must show professionalism themselves. He plays the role of mentor and tutor to his charges and if he does not impart his knowledge and experience in the best way possible, then he is just as culpable. Note I didn't say to the best of his ability...but the best way possible. When a student of the game looking to the senior man to aid in his development and that senior lacks the competence to aid in the development then he has to shoulder some responsibility too. Children live what they learn.
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Yes the coach is there for a reason and given the circumstances, the players look up to the coach for direction. That is why all have to look in that mirror and answer some critical questions prior to the next game.
When you get what you want in the struggle for self
And the world makes you King for a day
Then go to the mirror and look at yourself
And see what this guy has to say.
For it isn't the man's father, or mother, or wife
Who's judgment upon him must pass
The feller who's verdict counts most in his life
Is the guy starring back from the glass.
He's the feller to please, never mind the rest,
FOR HE'S WITH YOU CLEAR UP TO THE END.
And you've passed your most dangerous, difficult test
If the guy in the glass is your friend.
You may be like Jack Horner and chisel a plum,
ANd think your a wonderful guy,
But that man in the glass says your a bum,
If you can't look him straight in the eye.
You can fool the whole world down the pathway of years
And get pats on the back as you pass,
But your final reward will be heartaches or tears,
If you've cheated the guy in the glass.
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That man is still the coach? i thought any day now i would log on to the site and see where they sack this mad fella! come on TTFF, what yuh waiting for, a loss against the honduras?? GET RID!!!
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Can anybody tell me why he was chosen in the first place? I jus wonderin.
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Can anybody tell me why he was chosen in the first place? I jus wonderin.
We too.....
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Can anybody tell me why he was chosen in the first place? I jus wonderin.
He and Jack bounce up in Zurich ,one evening and over a few cocktails ...well the rest is history .
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Can anybody tell me why he was chosen in the first place? I jus wonderin.
He and Jack bounce up in Zurich ,one evening and over a few cocktails ...well the rest is history .
I guess a few cocktails can mek yuh understand anybody, unless Jack already speak espanol
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Can anybody tell me why he was chosen in the first place? I jus wonderin.
He and Jack bounce up in Zurich ,one evening and over a few cocktails ...well the rest is history .
Nah it had to be more than that to get Jack to hire he; That need to get lock up for summiting false credentials to TTFF.
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Can anybody tell me why he was chosen in the first place? I jus wonderin.
He was not Dutch.
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is time he have to go >:( the man clueless on team selection
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what effin coach worth his effin salt takes of the TWO hardest working players?
the players he put on i have no problem with but scotty subbed over john?? no effin way
john missed 2-3 sitters
maturana is a effin goat
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what effin coach worth his effin salt takes of the TWO hardest working players?
the players he put on i have no problem with but scotty subbed over john?? no effin way
john missed 2-3 sitters
maturana is a effin goat
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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a bottle of piss connected to a battery can run the team better
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what effin coach worth his effin salt takes of the TWO hardest working players?
the players he put on i have no problem with but scotty subbed over john?? no effin way
john missed 2-3 sitters
maturana is a effin goat
I don't agree totally. Stern should have stayed on with Scotty and Jones......ah mean we was trying to win.
Also absolutely no reason to take of Daniel........
I have to join the bandwagon...Maturana has to go !!!!!!!
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Me eh find Daniel was doing much.
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what effin coach worth his effin salt takes of the TWO hardest working players?
the players he put on i have no problem with but scotty subbed over john?? no effin way
john missed 2-3 sitters
maturana is a effin goat
With all due respect, you don't know football for u to say Maturana doesn't know what he is doing. De man taking some shit players and making them competitive against better teams. So Stern John takes no responsiility for his misses? So the players don't take any responsibility for playin shit? What else u want Maturana to do, go on the field and play himself? Maturana is controversial, but a very good coach and he clearly understands how to develop players despite them lacking fundamentals.
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what effin coach worth his effin salt takes of the TWO hardest working players?
the players he put on i have no problem with but scotty subbed over john?? no effin way
john missed 2-3 sitters
maturana is a effin goat
Stern miss 2-3 sitters. You saw a different game ?
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what effin coach worth his effin salt takes of the TWO hardest working players?
the players he put on i have no problem with but scotty subbed over john?? no effin way
john missed 2-3 sitters
maturana is a effin goat
I don't agree totally. Stern should have stayed on with Scotty and Jones......ah mean we was trying to win.
Also absolutely no reason to take of Daniel........
I have to join the bandwagon...Maturana has to go !!!!!!!
Daniel contributed absolutely nothing tonight. He's one of my fav players, but he wa sineffective tonight, as he was for the last 2 or 3 games. He needs to find a club.
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this is not about stern he get selected to start dais not he fault.
Mats is a goat talk done
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a bottle of piss connected to a battery can run the team better
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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what effin coach worth his effin salt takes of the TWO hardest working players?
the players he put on i have no problem with but scotty subbed over john?? no effin way
john missed 2-3 sitters
maturana is a effin goat
Stern miss 2-3 sitters. You saw a different game ?
De only sitters I see were missed by Hondurans. Maybe GS using a new definition of 'sitter'.
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daniel deserved to be subbed, as for stern or scotland it could have gone either way regarding the sub, one coach could look at it and say scotland had the better chances so keep him on, another coach will say stern has the track record so keep him on.
overall, i think maturana did well with the subs today.
as for the starters that is another story.
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i think maturana did well with the subs today.
as for the starters that is another story.
My sentiments also. Good subs. Shitty starting central midfield.
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Me eh find Daniel was doing much.
daniel was receivin a significant amount ah cuss from d crowd tonight for d shit he was doin. no control, sloppy footwork, losin possession almost every time he have d ball. he had every right to get sub.
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Me eh find Daniel was doing much.
daniel was receivin a significant amount ah cuss from d crowd tonight for d shit he was doin. no control, sloppy footwork, losin possession almost every time he have d ball. he had every right to get sub.
Another one like Hyland who need to find a club fast to get back good.
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Me eh find Daniel was doing much.
daniel was receivin a significant amount ah cuss from d crowd tonight for d shit he was doin. no control, sloppy footwork, losin possession almost every time he have d ball. he had every right to get sub.
yeh i see he lose alot of ball
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what effin coach worth his effin salt takes of the TWO hardest working players?
the players he put on i have no problem with but scotty subbed over john?? no effin way
john missed 2-3 sitters
maturana is a effin goat
With all due respect, you don't know football for u to say Maturana doesn't know what he is doing. De man taking some shit players and making them competitive against better teams. So Stern John takes no responsiility for his misses? So the players don't take any responsibility for playin shit? What else u want Maturana to do, go on the field and play himself? Maturana is controversial, but a very good coach and he clearly understands how to develop players despite them lacking fundamentals.
you and maturana same cloth
you talking nonsense, what stern responsibility have to do with MATURANA leaving JOHN on and taking scotty n bleeder off?
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All goals against Trinidad so far are from set plays. Free kicks and Corner. Does anyone know if Maturana really practise against this?
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Fellas check my signature, I'm definitely not a fan of mats. I've seen far worse from Maturana than this game.
OK maybe Hyland should have started instead of Leon. Wolfe did ok at rightback. Honduras looked dangerous mainly on set pieces (which we already knew). I recall Jan having to make one save and a clearane in the run of play. We make a mistake on the corner and paid the penalty.
I just happy we get a point.
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All goals against Trinidad so far are from set plays. Free kicks and Corner. Does anyone know if Maturana really practise against this?
he is a retard what u expect :devil:
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my point is stern should have been subbed not scotty
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All goals against Trinidad so far are from set plays. Free kicks and Corner. Does anyone know if Maturana really practise against this?
he is a retard what u expect :devil:
i going and ask hyland. if not. I real going join the fire maturana campaign.
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my point is stern should have been subbed not scotty
Neither. Scotland, Jones, and stern are all the same type of hold the ball strikers. Cornell Glen have to be pair with any of them. so is either a Jones-Glenn combo would be best
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my point is stern should have been subbed not scotty
You doh find Stern was combining well with the midfield.
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All goals against Trinidad so far are from set plays. Free kicks and Corner. Does anyone know if Maturana really practise against this?
ah wonder if he does have we forwards practising shots, cause we cyah seem to get to many on net ... :rotfl:
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my point is stern should have been subbed not scotty
You doh find Stern was combing well with the midfield.
yeah the ODD time he could actually trap the effin ball at his feet
and our ONE attacking play? pass to carlos??? what the eff
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my point is stern should have been subbed not scotty
You doh find Stern was combing well with the midfield.
yeah the ODD time he could actually trap the effin ball at his feet
and our ONE attacking play? pass to carlos??? what the eff
Whey horse, like you really see a different game.
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what effin coach worth his effin salt takes of the TWO hardest working players?
the players he put on i have no problem with but scotty subbed over john?? no effin way
john missed 2-3 sitters
maturana is a effin goat
With all due respect, you don't know football for u to say Maturana doesn't know what he is doing. De man taking some shit players and making them competitive against better teams. So Stern John takes no responsiility for his misses? So the players don't take any responsibility for playin shit? What else u want Maturana to do, go on the field and play himself? Maturana is controversial, but a very good coach and he clearly understands how to develop players despite them lacking fundamentals.
you and maturana same cloth
you talking nonsense, what stern responsibility have to do with MATURANA leaving JOHN on and taking scotty n bleeder off?
John is our most prolific goal scorer for the last 10yrs, what has Scotty done in national colours? What did Scotty do today to deserve being left on? Neither John nor Scotty played well and it didn't matter which one got subbed off because neither of them looked likely to score as a result of the lack of service. As for taking Theo off, u have me speechless with that 1, he played d most shit today as he usually does. I'll criticize Maturana for starting him as I do for many of his strange decisions. BUT he is overall a very very very experienced coach and it shows. The man working with a group of shitty players yet we are competitive always. Big up Maturana
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what effin coach worth his effin salt takes of the TWO hardest working players?
the players he put on i have no problem with but scotty subbed over john?? no effin way
john missed 2-3 sitters
maturana is a effin goat
With all due respect, you don't know football for u to say Maturana doesn't know what he is doing. De man taking some shit players and making them competitive against better teams. So Stern John takes no responsiility for his misses? So the players don't take any responsibility for playin shit? What else u want Maturana to do, go on the field and play himself? Maturana is controversial, but a very good coach and he clearly understands how to develop players despite them lacking fundamentals.
But not during qualifying games,no time for experimenting...
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my point is stern should have been subbed not scotty
You doh find Stern was combing well with the midfield.
yeah the ODD time he could actually trap the effin ball at his feet
and our ONE attacking play? pass to carlos??? what the eff
Whey horse, like you really see a different game.
Jah boy sometimes after a game its best to leave this site alone if a result doesnt go our way.
Give folks a chance to kool down lil bit.
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true that stern out of form regardless of his record, Scotland in form, that is the way it goes
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my point is stern should have been subbed not scotty
You doh find Stern was combing well with the midfield.
yeah the ODD time he could actually trap the effin ball at his feet
and our ONE attacking play? pass to carlos??? what the eff
Whey horse, like you really see a different game.
Jah boy sometimes after a game its best to leave this site alone if a result doesnt go our way.
Give folks a chance to kool down lil bit.
yeah , I going and play FIFA.
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what effin coach worth his effin salt takes of the TWO hardest working players?
the players he put on i have no problem with but scotty subbed over john?? no effin way
john missed 2-3 sitters
maturana is a effin goat
With all due respect, you don't know football for u to say Maturana doesn't know what he is doing. De man taking some shit players and making them competitive against better teams. So Stern John takes no responsiility for his misses? So the players don't take any responsibility for playin shit? What else u want Maturana to do, go on the field and play himself? Maturana is controversial, but a very good coach and he clearly understands how to develop players despite them lacking fundamentals.
Is this a joke? Trinidad Been competitive b4 shitrana came down here and we was way better and is he fault he picking shit players like theobald when we got much better players out there the man is retarded...
and i have no idea why my message showing up in the quote???
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Tonight we not just lacked intensity but organisation and creativity. This looked like a T&T from the nineties and pre-Benhakker. With the absence of Yorke & Birchall, we lacked creativity and control of the mid-field. Keon Daniel did not have a good game and even though Carlos Edwards tried, I have seen him play much better.
Today was a case for Carlos to lead from the front but he looked ordinary. Also, like our players did not what to do in the last third of the field and I am still wondering why our defense still cannot deal properly with set plays.
Thank goodness Honduras was not at their best or we would have been annilated like in 2001 when they massacred us 4-2. However, a point is a point and once again I say that we are off to a better start than in the last campaign. Problem is now USA, COSTA RICA and MEXICO back to back.
We need to improve and fast. I for one would have started with Kenwyne Jones ahaed of John or Scotland and Latapy ahead of Keon Daniel or one of the other midfielders.
Then again, I am not the coach.
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what effin coach worth his effin salt takes of the TWO hardest working players?
the players he put on i have no problem with but scotty subbed over john?? no effin way
john missed 2-3 sitters
maturana is a effin goat
With all due respect, you don't know football for u to say Maturana doesn't know what he is doing. De man taking some shit players and making them competitive against better teams. So Stern John takes no responsiility for his misses? So the players don't take any responsibility for playin shit? What else u want Maturana to do, go on the field and play himself? Maturana is controversial, but a very good coach and he clearly understands how to develop players despite them lacking fundamentals.
Is this a joke? Trinidad Been competitive b4 shitrana came down here and we was way better and is he fault he pickign shit players like theobald when we got much better players out there the man is retarded...
Bro, although I can't stand Theobald, i disagree with u. We may be able to pick DIFFERENT players than Theo, but not neccessarily BETTER. I don't know which better players we have and where u guys hiding them, we have plenty different players u can replace Theo with but where is the huge upgrade, who have more experience and ability? Where are these MUCH BETTER players? Please tell me. AND, if we were so competitive before Maturana why isn't that coach still here?
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Sometimes this site make me sick. you guys swear trinidad players have the best of quality. allyuh always luv to point finger, i dont blame stern for any thing, your strikers only as good as there midfield and the way the service the ball. and trinidad touches and passing is shit . if what u guys talking is true then frick that scrap the entire team minus carlos and find some superstars to play. its not like trinidad have so much to pick from . at the end of the day each player responsible for there own shit . coaching is for practice and the end of the day its up to the players. and all on them play like shit bakes today.
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what effin coach worth his effin salt takes of the TWO hardest working players?
the players he put on i have no problem with but scotty subbed over john?? no effin way
john missed 2-3 sitters
maturana is a effin goat
With all due respect, you don't know football for u to say Maturana doesn't know what he is doing. De man taking some shit players and making them competitive against better teams. So Stern John takes no responsiility for his misses? So the players don't take any responsibility for playin shit? What else u want Maturana to do, go on the field and play himself? Maturana is controversial, but a very good coach and he clearly understands how to develop players despite them lacking fundamentals.
Is this a joke? Trinidad Been competitive b4 shitrana came down here and we was way better and is he fault he pickign shit players like theobald when we got much better players out there the man is retarded...
Bro, although I can't stand Theobald, i disagree with u. We may be able to pick DIFFERENT players than Theo, but not neccessarily BETTER. I don't know which better players we have and where u guys hiding them, we have plenty different players u can replace Theo with but where is the huge upgrade, who have more experience and ability? Where are these MUCH BETTER players? Please tell me. AND, if we were so competitive before Maturana why isn't that coach still here?
Hyland played better than theobald in 30 than Theobald played all his 60 minutes
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what effin coach worth his effin salt takes of the TWO hardest working players?
the players he put on i have no problem with but scotty subbed over john?? no effin way
john missed 2-3 sitters
maturana is a effin goat
With all due respect, you don't know football for u to say Maturana doesn't know what he is doing. De man taking some shit players and making them competitive against better teams. So Stern John takes no responsiility for his misses? So the players don't take any responsibility for playin shit? What else u want Maturana to do, go on the field and play himself? Maturana is controversial, but a very good coach and he clearly understands how to develop players despite them lacking fundamentals.
Is this a joke? Trinidad Been competitive b4 shitrana came down here and we was way better and is he fault he pickign shit players like theobald when we got much better players out there the man is retarded...
Bro, although I can't stand Theobald, i disagree with u. We may be able to pick DIFFERENT players than Theo, but not neccessarily BETTER. I don't know which better players we have and where u guys hiding them, we have plenty different players u can replace Theo with but where is the huge upgrade, who have more experience and ability? Where are these MUCH BETTER players? Please tell me. AND, if we were so competitive before Maturana why isn't that coach still here?
Hyland played better than theobald in 30 than Theobald played all his 60 minutes
i agree
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One gets the impression that the fellas playing to SCRIPT.
I watched the rest of the USA V EL SALVADOR game. I wondered if T&T actually want to go to the Big Dance? They seemed to lack conviction.
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what effin coach worth his effin salt takes of the TWO hardest working players?
the players he put on i have no problem with but scotty subbed over john?? no effin way
john missed 2-3 sitters
maturana is a effin goat
With all due respect, you don't know football for u to say Maturana doesn't know what he is doing. De man taking some shit players and making them competitive against better teams. So Stern John takes no responsiility for his misses? So the players don't take any responsibility for playin shit? What else u want Maturana to do, go on the field and play himself? Maturana is controversial, but a very good coach and he clearly understands how to develop players despite them lacking fundamentals.
Is this a joke? Trinidad Been competitive b4 shitrana came down here and we was way better and is he fault he pickign shit players like theobald when we got much better players out there the man is retarded...
Bro, although I can't stand Theobald, i disagree with u. We may be able to pick DIFFERENT players than Theo, but not neccessarily BETTER. I don't know which better players we have and where u guys hiding them, we have plenty different players u can replace Theo with but where is the huge upgrade, who have more experience and ability? Where are these MUCH BETTER players? Please tell me. AND, if we were so competitive before Maturana why isn't that coach still here?
Man you need to call up theobald and tell him to prove me wrong cause watchin these games it pretty clear he is a mess and i would of much rather see man like whitley, telisford on the team but its one thing for a player to get call up and next thing for dudes to start he shouldn't of start... and i hope he don't start next game... And the answer to ur second question is easy Warner is and idiot... what squad wim had to play with? and he still get fired...
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Lil damo WHERE is the ABILITY you saying Theobald have casue for the last couple national games i am yet to see it???...and yuh saying we should also pick him based on experience, so if thats the criteria then lets call Evans wise and dwarika back to the midfield also...
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what effin coach worth his effin salt takes of the TWO hardest working players?
the players he put on i have no problem with but scotty subbed over john?? no effin way
john missed 2-3 sitters
maturana is a effin goat
With all due respect, you don't know football for u to say Maturana doesn't know what he is doing. De man taking some shit players and making them competitive against better teams. So Stern John takes no responsiility for his misses? So the players don't take any responsibility for playin shit? What else u want Maturana to do, go on the field and play himself? Maturana is controversial, but a very good coach and he clearly understands how to develop players despite them lacking fundamentals.
Is this a joke? Trinidad Been competitive b4 shitrana came down here and we was way better and is he fault he pickign shit players like theobald when we got much better players out there the man is retarded...
Bro, although I can't stand Theobald, i disagree with u. We may be able to pick DIFFERENT players than Theo, but not neccessarily BETTER. I don't know which better players we have and where u guys hiding them, we have plenty different players u can replace Theo with but where is the huge upgrade, who have more experience and ability? Where are these MUCH BETTER players? Please tell me. AND, if we were so competitive before Maturana why isn't that coach still here?
Hyland played better than theobald in 30 than Theobald played all his 60 minutes
I agree, and Hyland should have started but my point is I don't see Hyland as being a MUCH BETTER option than Theo as one of the posters above seemed to think we leaving out some superstar players to include Theo.
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Sometimes this site make me sick. you guys swear trinidad players have the best of quality. allyuh always luv to point finger, i dont blame stern for any thing, your strikers only as good as there midfield and the way the service the ball. and trinidad touches and passing is shit . if what u guys talking is true then frick that scrap the entire team minus carlos and find some superstars to play. its not like trinidad have so much to pick from . at the end of the day each player responsible for there own shit . coaching is for practice and the end of the day its up to the players. and all on them play like shit bakes today.
Finally someone with a little perspective.
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Maturana is either a genius or a jackass. Either way we have played our weakest opponents in the hex and have not won a game. The only "easy" game left is El Savador at home, so he will be finally be revealed when he has our best players at his disposal. One day we beating the USA the next we loosing to Grenada, corbeaux brand is real pressure
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Lil damo WHERE is the ABILITY you saying Theobald have casue for the last couple national games i am yet to see it???...and yuh saying we should also pick him based on experience, so if thats the criteria then lets call Evans wise and dwarika back to the midfield also...
Theo has little to no ability in my opinion, my point was where is the big upgrade that one particular poster seemed to think we have. I don't want to see Theo on that national team again until he improves in every aspect of the game BUT who else do we have. At least he offered some experience if not ability.
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Tonight we not just lacked intensity but organisation and creativity. This looked like a T&T from the nineties and pre-Benhakker. With the absence of Yorke & Birchall, we lacked creativity and control of the mid-field. Keon Daniel did not have a good game and even though Carlos Edwards tried, I have seen him play much better.
Today was a case for Carlos to lead from the front but he looked ordinary. Also, like our players did not what to do in the last third of the field and I am still wondering why our defense still cannot deal properly with set plays.
Thank goodness Honduras was not at their best or we would have been annilated like in 2001 when they massacred us 4-2. However, a point is a point and once again I say that we are off to a better start than in the last campaign. Problem is now USA, COSTA RICA and MEXICO back to back.
We need to improve and fast. I for one would have started with Kenwyne Jones ahaed of John or Scotland and Latapy ahead of Keon Daniel or one of the other midfielders.
Then again, I am not the coach.
Were u at the game? Carllos was by far our best player and thats the best ive seen him play in a national shirt since 06. Also at this phase we need youth over experience hyland and birchall to start the remainder of games.
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I reach home and d 1st thread is this. All yuh good oui when last yr we was drivin on shoulder to reach MLS and we say d dumbtist is a goat we get cuss. D man have a winnin record in d hex. Agree wit d pre d Don we football goneeeeee wayyyyyyyyyy backkkkkkkkkkkkkk. Thanks Mats
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Lil damo WHERE is the ABILITY you saying Theobald have casue for the last couple national games i am yet to see it???...and yuh saying we should also pick him based on experience, so if thats the criteria then lets call Evans wise and dwarika back to the midfield also...
Theo has little to no ability in my opinion, my point was where is the big upgrade that one particular poster seemed to think we have. I don't want to see Theo on that national team again until he improves in every aspect of the game BUT who else do we have. At least he offered some experience if not ability.
Why is this kid putting words in my mouth i saying we have better players didn't say none bout BIG upgrade u went talking bout shit squad we have here in trini but i think u bounce your head o sum... all am sayin is we have better players than him he shouldn't be on the national team talk done u disagree good for you. man i got a feeling u theobald... I like all my trini players but right now he not fit for national team... But it clearly showed when hyland came on it finally look like we could actually get something out of the game.
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Lil damo WHERE is the ABILITY you saying Theobald have casue for the last couple national games i am yet to see it???...and yuh saying we should also pick him based on experience, so if thats the criteria then lets call Evans wise and dwarika back to the midfield also...
Theo has little to no ability in my opinion, my point was where is the big upgrade that one particular poster seemed to think we have. I don't want to see Theo on that national team again until he improves in every aspect of the game BUT who else do we have. At least he offered some experience if not ability.
Why is this kid putting words in my mouth i saying we have better players didn't say none bout BIG upgrade u went talking bout shit squad we have here in trini but i think u bounce your head o sum... all am sayin is we have better players than him he shouldn't be on the national team talk done u disagree good for you. man i got a feeling u theobald... I like all my trini players but right now he not fit for national team... But it clearly showed when hyland came on it finally look like we could actually get something out of the game.
First of all calm down bro, in an earlier comment u said we had much better players, go back and read what u wrote. Anyway I do agree that Theo is shit so we can end it agreeing on that.
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Lil damo WHERE is the ABILITY you saying Theobald have casue for the last couple national games i am yet to see it???...and yuh saying we should also pick him based on experience, so if thats the criteria then lets call Evans wise and dwarika back to the midfield also...
Theo has little to no ability in my opinion, my point was where is the big upgrade that one particular poster seemed to think we have. I don't want to see Theo on that national team again until he improves in every aspect of the game BUT who else do we have. At least he offered some experience if not ability.
Why is this kid putting words in my mouth i saying we have better players didn't say none bout BIG upgrade u went talking bout shit squad we have here in trini but i think u bounce your head o sum... all am sayin is we have better players than him he shouldn't be on the national team talk done u disagree good for you. man i got a feeling u theobald... I like all my trini players but right now he not fit for national team... But it clearly showed when hyland came on it finally look like we could actually get something out of the game.
First of all calm down bro, in an earlier comment u said we had much better players, go back and read what u wrote. Anyway I do agree that Theo is shit so we can end it agreeing on that.
Good but ya maturana retarded still...
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Can anybody tell me why he was chosen in the first place? I jus wonderin.
Wasn't it to neutralize the South American opposition?????
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my point is stern should have been subbed not scotty
You doh find Stern was combing well with the midfield.
yeah the ODD time he could actually trap the effin ball at his feet
and our ONE attacking play? pass to carlos??? what the eff
Whey horse, like you really see a different game.
have to disagree with u here. stern wasnt the worst player on the day but scotty was loking lil more dangerous and creative. he created a chance out fo nothing . stern ahd some poor control and poor passes.
if allyuh complain bout people complain bout BLEEDER oh my freaking word. what tata he play today.
over all i agree with the main sentiments maturana is a mad man. hyland is prodigy for what its worth...by trini standards he needs to play and play some more. young fella with size and skill and confidence, yet still Bleeder ....START REALLY?
Maturana is a mad man talk done. But they r not going to change him now. they will after qualifiers.
btw jones eh do nuttin either eh.
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Can anybody tell me why he was chosen in the first place? I jus wonderin.
Wasn't it to neutralize the South American opposition?????
When we meet dem S/American team after he make sure we come 4th in d hex.
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what effin coach worth his effin salt takes of the TWO hardest working players?
the players he put on i have no problem with but scotty subbed over john?? no effin way
john missed 2-3 sitters
maturana is a effin goat
you serious?
Stern John on the ball tonight was brilliant... every ball he got he did something productive...We had no creativity in the midfield and only When Latapy came on Stern and the other strikers looked more threatinging but throughout the game whenever he got the ball he did all the right things....
And he did more running than Scotty...he played the second striker most the night
But I cant fault any of our strikers...they had a 1/2 chance each...We missed Dwight Birchall and Latapy presence... Hyland Birchall combo for me vs USA with Stern and Latapy up front...or Jones if we feeling bold
and K.Daniel was poor tonight...shocking actually
Theobald was decent...not great but good enough
Lawrence and Thomas let me down today..letting the ball bounce over their heads and looked a bit lost at times...but they recovered well after the 60'... A.Edwards and Wolfe out their element but held up enough
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The surprise of the nite for me was Daniel.......he needs to find a club and fast! De amount ah too-too dat boy play............my word! :o
Stern and Scotty played well...should have buried the few chances that they got but........!
Theobold=Pressure, he need not start another game.
Leon did ok...........nothing special and did not stand out. Carlos well.........was just Carlos! Talk done!
The defense...faddah dat is pressure! Aklie and Wolf played decent actually! The surprise was Tallest and Thomas and Thomas even more so. It showed tonight that he was extremely slow, like he had lead in he foot!
Ah need to take ah drink yes cause followin the SW does will yuh to do dat! :beermug:
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Ah see enough references in this thread to some team that goes by the name of Trinidad.....which country does this team represent? And does FIFA know about this team??.... >:( >:(
Look ah going in mih bed now and de guilty parties better explain they postings by tomorrow when ah wake up or else.... :waiting: :waiting:
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Jah boy sometimes after a game its best to leave this site alone if a result doesnt go our way.
Give folks a chance to kool down lil bit.
Nah, allyuh men juss need to stop responding tuh deez shit threads...
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The surprise of the nite for me was Daniel.......he needs to find a club and fast! De amount ah too-too dat boy play............my word! :o
Stern and Scotty played well...should have buried the few chances that they got but........!
Theobold=Pressure, he need not start another game.
Leon did ok...........nothing special and did not stand out. Carlos well.........was just Carlos! Talk done!
The defense...faddah dat is pressure! Aklie and Wolf played decent actually! The surprise was Tallest and Thomas and Thomas even more so. It showed tonight that he was extremely slow, like he had lead in he foot!
Ah need to take ah drink yes cause followin the SW does will yuh to do dat! :beermug:
wolfe play good?
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what effin coach worth his effin salt takes of the TWO hardest working players?
the players he put on i have no problem with but scotty subbed over john?? no effin way
john missed 2-3 sitters
maturana is a effin goat
you serious?
Stern John on the ball tonight was brilliant... every ball he got he did something productive...We had no creativity in the midfield and only When Latapy came on Stern and the other strikers looked more threatinging but throughout the game whenever he got the ball he did all the right things....
And he did more running than Scotty...he played the second striker most the night
But I cant fault any of our strikers...they had a 1/2 chance each...We missed Dwight Birchall and Latapy presence... Hyland Birchall combo for me vs USA with Stern and Latapy up front...or Jones if we feeling bold
and K.Daniel was poor tonight...shocking actually
Theobald was decent...not great but good enough
Lawrence and Thomas let me down today..letting the ball bounce over their heads and looked a bit lost at times...but they recovered well after the 60'... A.Edwards and Wolfe out their element but held up enough
Are you out of mind!!
Theobald was decent what game were you watching?
or do you even understand that theobald can't even match up with the worst midfielder in the world.
Yuh see this is why we have selection issues because people think we should reward a player even if he performs horribly time and time again as a result of popularity.
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/ttff give Scolari ah bligh na ;)
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That fool still here, now tell me what really wrong with that picture. Dem backward like the people in Trinidad and Tobago passport office. Two points is plenty right??? That cobo still flying and ting starting to stink around here.
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i really doh know what to say about that man again nah, but maybe jack like it so
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I not a fan of maturana at all but so far he getting decent results. We beat USA in the last round, draw at El Salvador (after they play the US yesterday we cant call them a $hit side). The man only had two bad results in my opinion, the defeat at bermuda at home (did great to win on the road and progress so give the man some props) and the draw against honduras yesterday.
I don't understand why he getting blame when some players do $hit and when players do well, the credit going to latas (i.e. they playing latas brand). What brand latas have as a coach?
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I not a fan of maturana at all but so far he getting decent results. We beat USA in the last round, draw at El Salvador (after they play the US yesterday we cant call them a $hit side). The man only had two bad results in my opinion, the defeat at bermuda at home (did great to win on the road and progress so give the man some props) and the draw against honduras yesterday.
I don't understand why he getting blame when some players do $hit and when players do well, the credit going to latas (i.e. they playing latas brand). What brand latas have as a coach?
but nightmare what about failure at the Digicel caribbean championships..resulting on our first failure to qualify to the Gold Cup..dont consider that a bad result?..as a coach he should not shoulder blame?
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I not a fan of maturana at all but so far he getting decent results. We beat USA in the last round, draw at El Salvador (after they play the US yesterday we cant call them a $hit side). The man only had two bad results in my opinion, the defeat at bermuda at home (did great to win on the road and progress so give the man some props) and the draw against honduras yesterday.
I don't understand why he getting blame when some players do $hit and when players do well, the credit going to latas (i.e. they playing latas brand). What brand latas have as a coach?
but nightmare what about failure at the Digicel caribbean championships..resulting on our first failure to qualify to the Gold Cup..dont consider that a bad result?..as a coach he should not shoulder blame?
he still doesn't inspire me yet, but my feeling is that d former "support" staff was d poison arrow around dat time, d man does actually assert he self ah little more now, an' while d performances not great they won't as bad as the digicel cup IMO
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I not a fan of maturana at all but so far he getting decent results. We beat USA in the last round, draw at El Salvador (after they play the US yesterday we cant call them a $hit side). The man only had two bad results in my opinion, the defeat at bermuda at home (did great to win on the road and progress so give the man some props) and the draw against honduras yesterday.
I don't understand why he getting blame when some players do $hit and when players do well, the credit going to latas (i.e. they playing latas brand). What brand latas have as a coach?
but nightmare what about failure at the Digicel caribbean championships..resulting on our first failure to qualify to the Gold Cup..dont consider that a bad result?..as a coach he should not shoulder blame?
I forget about the digicel, I erased that from my memory... ;D That was really bad but we are still in the running and I think we could pull off a draw on wednesday which we haven't done since the strike squad days.
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this is a bullshit thread. i feel some of allyuh hoping for a repeat of when Bertie get leggo and dey bring in Beenie man. ain't happening this time. mats here till the end. he is getting good results with the team that he has. one thing i feel peeps doh reconize is how much parity there is in this hex. all 6 are very close to each other. is not mats fault that yorkie, memum and ince out at the same time.
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this is a bullshit thread. i feel some of allyuh hoping for a repeat of when Bertie get leggo and dey bring in Beenie man. ain't happening this time. mats here till the end. he is getting good results with the team that he has. one thing i feel peeps doh reconize is how much parity there is in this hex. all 6 are very close to each other. is not mats fault that yorkie, memum and ince out at the same time.
I wonder why you say is ah bullshit tread? So you think that this team really really really playing good football to warrant him not being fired???
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this is a bullshit thread. i feel some of allyuh hoping for a repeat of when Bertie get leggo and dey bring in Beenie man. ain't happening this time. mats here till the end. he is getting good results with the team that he has. one thing i feel peeps doh reconize is how much parity there is in this hex. all 6 are very close to each other. is not mats fault that yorkie, memum and ince out at the same time.
I wonder why you say is ah bullshit tread? So you think that this team really really really playing good football to warrant him not being fired???
doh worry with them, u go hear them bawling later on, if things doh go good
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this is a bullshit thread. i feel some of allyuh hoping for a repeat of when Bertie get leggo and dey bring in Beenie man. ain't happening this time. mats here till the end. he is getting good results with the team that he has. one thing i feel peeps doh reconize is how much parity there is in this hex. all 6 are very close to each other. is not mats fault that yorkie, memum and ince out at the same time.
I wonder why you say is ah bullshit tread? So you think that this team really really really playing good football to warrant him not being fired???
Of course we playin gr8 football we unbeaten in d hex.
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once we keep drawing the games we good :devil:
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once we keep drawing the games we good :devil:
How far we go reach wit 8 pts? Nigeria/Ghana but not SA.
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Ah see enough references in this thread to some team that goes by the name of Trinidad & Tobago.....which country does this team represent? And does FIFA know about this team??.... >:( >:(
Look ah going in mih bed now and de guilty parties better explain they postings by tomorrow when ah wake up or else.... :waiting: :waiting:
Just making the corrections before Brownsugar wake up & check the forum!!
Allyuh men who forgetting is Trinidad & Tobago please sort allyuh selves out!!
Yorke, Kenwyne & a few other players on the team were born in Tobago so please remember what T&T stands for!!!
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People,
We cannot get to South Africa with Maturana as coach. There is no structure and plan that you can identify on the field. What brand are we playing? Under Beenhakker you could have seen a plan and we had a brand. The team looked solid with a good structure..this compensated for a few men out of position,etc..
Now that this does not exist there is more talk about who should play and who should not...only man people berate under Beenhakker was Stern and Beenhakker insisted that he was a good player and look what he did against Mexico to get us to d Bahrain playoff...
I still believe Hyland and Trent Noel should have started..or at least one of them..Kenwyne and Scotland...and one day Guerra will have to get his chance..anybody who saw him against Panama will realise what a talent he is in midfield.
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Ah see enough references in this thread to some team that goes by the name of Trinidad & Tobago.....which country does this team represent? And does FIFA know about this team??.... >:( >:(
Look ah going in mih bed now and de guilty parties better explain they postings by tomorrow when ah wake up or else.... :waiting: :waiting:
Just making the corrections before Brownsugar wake up & check the forum!!
Allyuh men who forgetting is Trinidad & Tobago please sort allyuh selves out!!
Yorke, Kenwyne & a few other players on the team were born in Tobago so please remember what T&T stands for!!!
um kenwyne was born in point fortin trinidad but i get ur point.. ...
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People,
We cannot get to South Africa with Maturana as coach. There is no structure and plan that you can identify on the field. What brand are we playing? Under Beenhakker you could have seen a plan and we had a brand. The team looked solid with a good structure..this compensated for a few men out of position,etc..
Now that this does not exist there is more talk about who should play and who should not...only man people berate under Beenhakker was Stern and Beenhakker insisted that he was a good player and look what he did against Mexico to get us to d Bahrain playoff...
I still believe Hyland and Trent Noel should have started..or at least one of them..Kenwyne and Scotland...and one day Guerra will have to get his chance..anybody who saw him against Panama will realise what a talent he is in midfield.
Didn't Beenhakker step in right about this point in qualifying last campaign... and still had time to implement his sytem and take the team to Germany?
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doh worry with them, u go hear them bawling later on, if things doh go good
...juss like we wouldn't be hearing ah peep from none ah allyuh when TnT qualify. Yes ah say when. Color it... bold it... italicize it or bookmark it.
Bakes say it... we going South Africa!
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People,
We cannot get to South Africa with Maturana as coach. There is no structure and plan that you can identify on the field. What brand are we playing? Under Beenhakker you could have seen a plan and we had a brand. The team looked solid with a good structure..this compensated for a few men out of position,etc..
Now that this does not exist there is more talk about who should play and who should not...only man people berate under Beenhakker was Stern and Beenhakker insisted that he was a good player and look what he did against Mexico to get us to d Bahrain playoff...
I still believe Hyland and Trent Noel should have started..or at least one of them..Kenwyne and Scotland...and one day Guerra will have to get his chance..anybody who saw him against Panama will realise what a talent he is in midfield.
Wow BESBRAHN what you said there is the exact expression of what I think is going with the team and about Maturana and how he "organises" them. Thanks, you saved me typing it, lol.
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Ah see enough references in this thread to some team that goes by the name of Trinidad & Tobago.....which country does this team represent? And does FIFA know about this team??.... >:( >:(
Look ah going in mih bed now and de guilty parties better explain they postings by tomorrow when ah wake up or else.... :waiting: :waiting:
Just making the corrections before Brownsugar wake up & check the forum!!
Allyuh men who forgetting is Trinidad & Tobago please sort allyuh selves out!!
Yorke, Kenwyne & a few other players on the team were born in Tobago so please remember what T&T stands for!!!
um kenwyne was born in point fortin trinidad but i get ur point.. ...
Me think he meant tuh say keon, if i'm not mistaken.
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doh worry with them, u go hear them bawling later on, if things doh go good
...juss like we wouldn't be hearing ah peep from none ah allyuh when TnT qualify. Yes ah say when. Color it... bold it... italicize it or bookmark it.
Bakes say it... we going South Africa!
I take no solice in your prediction , although i ardently hope so. time will tell! positive.
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doh worry with them, u go hear them bawling later on, if things doh go good
...juss like we wouldn't be hearing ah peep from none ah allyuh when TnT qualify. Yes ah say when. Color it... bold it... italicize it or bookmark it.
Bakes say it... we going South Africa!
Mats go have to prove meh wrong quickly
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doh worry with them, u go hear them bawling later on, if things doh go good
...juss like we wouldn't be hearing ah peep from none ah allyuh when TnT qualify. Yes ah say when. Color it... bold it... italicize it or bookmark it.
Bakes say it... we going South Africa!
Mats go have to prove meh wrong quickly
If ever I want 2 b proven wrong is on dis 1.
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damn right
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damn right
U go sponsor a Mats appreciation ad in d daily express/guardian/newsday. U does type like a man who could afford it. :beermug:
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damn right
U go sponsor a Mats appreciation ad in d daily express/guardian/newsday. U does type like a man who could afford it. :beermug:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :devil: we go see ::) , i go have to swallow meh words if and digest it if he get the job done
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damn right
U go sponsor a Mats appreciation ad in d daily express/guardian/newsday. U does type like a man who could afford it. :beermug:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :devil: we go see ::) , i go have to swallow meh words if and digest it if he get the job done
Dat eh go b hard we goin 2 d big dance back 2 back I go give yuh some honey 2 wash down d aloes :rotfl: :rotfl:
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:'( :'(
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yeh , i not posting again for d night again, as a supporter i rel sad what i see 2nite, i cah even put it in words, who vex f**k alyuh, Mats need to go ok, talk done. f**k he mudder c**t
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Fenwick or Vranes
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yeh , i not posting again for d night again, as a supporter i rel sad what i see 2nite, i cah even put it in words, who vex f**k alyuh, Mats need to go ok, talk done. f**k he mudder c**t
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: lardddddddddd I feel yuh pain but I still keeping faith, I really would like to see a new coach come in.
FENWICK
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BRING IN FENWICK
Any mothaf**king coach that plays hislop and aklie edwards in consecutive road matches in USA is dunce as hell
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Corbeaux Brand. Only the blind will say dat this man deserve a paycheck.
Blessings
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BRING IN FENWICK
Agree! Why are we wasting time and money on Maturana? He has no tactical awareness. That is what separated Beenie from all the other losers we have had, using the same players.
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Say after me Mats eh goin a place
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
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at least bring in someone who can actually f**king talk to the players!!!!!
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So he starts Wolfe in defense despite him having played there only twice, against Panama and Honduras, then has to withdraw him so he can't use Latapy. Also starts with a striker combination that has 0 goals between them in 2 months with the Championship player of the month on the bench. :banginghead:
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So he starts Wolfe in defense despite him having played there only twice, against Panama and Honduras, then has to withdraw him so he can't use Latapy. Also starts with a striker combination that has 0 goals between them in 2 months with the Championship player of the month on the bench. :banginghead:
Doh say that too loud. Palos will say we giving Latas a pass and shift de focus from Matu Pachu.
Blessings
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yeh , i not posting again for d night again, as a supporter i rel sad what i see 2nite, i cah even put it in words, who vex f**k alyuh, Mats need to go ok, talk done. f**k he mudder c**t
eh eh first time ah ever see you curse lol .Doh stress everybody doing good ,i might already be to late for us ,screw it let him stay ,jack not firing him anyway .
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I was giving Mats ah chance still, but its time to get rid of him now before its to late. We not going ah damn place with him coaching us.
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he have to go now
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Maturana is a C%&$...
Why substitute a defender at half time when you are down one goal? Did we make a mistake on the initial selection?
Why take off Chris Birchall when he was the hardest working man on the field?
Why play Birchall defensive midfield when he has a 40 yard rocket?
Why not substitue Kenwyn Jones when he added nothing for 90 minutes?
Why not bring on Latapy at halftime?
Why not play Stern John in midfield? Stern John's position is no longer an offensive player (he played well tonight) but he needs to do like Dwight Yorke and switch to midfield. He is a good passer of the ball.
Why not put Stern John in the midfield (it should not be hard to find a midfield player to leave home), and add Cornell Glen to the team.
Why is Brent Sancho not on the team?
Why is Colin Samuel not on the team?
Why is that C%#$ still the head coach?
This coach does not have a clue as to what he is doing!
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Say after me Mats eh goin a place
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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he have to go now
The powers that be simply want to sabotage TT football, no one in their right mind who cared about the nation and its football development would have kept this man as head coach after losing to Bermuda at home, now here we are. 2pts from 3 matches w/continued woeful team selection and outfield play, deja vu
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I finally adding my name to the list... time to end the experiment and send dis Colombian back tuh de coca fields.
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ah jess talkin to ah man and he say the same thing ( Vranes) to b the coach .
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I finally adding my name to the list... time to end the experiment and send dis Colombian back tuh de coca fields.
You believe in statistical expts. w/> 99% confidence? Seemed like a foregone conclusion to me for quite sometime, still I could respect your due diligence and agree unequivocally w/your final conclusion
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this come like tryin to blow up ah balloon with farts.
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I'm not going to say much more about Maturana. All I wanna say has already been said. I'm lookinng towards the future and Francisco is the past as far as I'm concerned.
It's all about the future and being solutions oriented.
This is what Jack Warner needs to do.
Thank Maturana for his services and dismiss him tonight!
Fly out to Europe and talk to Frank Rijkaard and Roberto Mancini.
Hire whichever is better at speaking English and write them a blank cheque.
Hire Vranes as Assistant Coach to work with Latapy
Fly your new coach in for unveiling on Monday April 6th..start of a new week and exactly two months before our next qualifier.
Ample time for us to get organized for Costa Rica and Mexico
Gentlemen...have a good night and keep the faith..we'll make South Africa if Jack can forget fighting the good fight with Ramesh and Gypsy for a lil while and do what needs to be done over the weekend.
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TTFF should be organising a severance package for he and he staff right now we. What a clueless coach at this level of football. What an embrassment tonight!!!
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I finally adding my name to the list... time to end the experiment and send dis Colombian back tuh de coca fields.
Welcome. It is good to have you from the Dark Side!!
Blessings
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I don't know what magic or puja or who obeahman Jack went by to get Beenhakker...
... but he need to pull out that same bag ah magic beans again!!
I eh know who go want to come and coach we... Wim again?
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Flash boi like JW have more money 2 make wit d UNC than d SW.
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dey should fire him in Nashville...doh even let him get on the Plane...they should make his ass swim home!!
I'm sure Jack could pull that off and get away with it!
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dey should fire him in Nashville...doh even let him get on the Plane...they should make his ass swim home!!
I'm sure Jack could pull that off and get away with it!
Since d Chicago game I find a flight 4 he on travelocity.
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One word for he .. Clueless
Send him back to coach his horses in Columbia!
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Go ahead fire Pacho. That would not solve we problems. We need a whole mid-field. All of them should be playing at home. The EPL guys not worth it.
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Listen if they dont fire him now, and then fire him late in the campaign with few games remaining when we are on our knees then that would be unfair to the incoming coach by asking him to do miracles in a short period of time..
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Go ahead fire Pacho. That would not solve we problems. We need a whole mid-field. All of them should be playing at home. The EPL guys not worth it.
A problem has many parts firin d dumtist/rancher is a gr8 place 2 strt. D other pieces go fall in place.
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Go ahead fire Pacho. That would not solve we problems. We need a whole mid-field. All of them should be playing at home. The EPL guys not worth it.
Who will you replace our European midfielders with? Carlos, Yorke, Birchall and Hyland not playing home...
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Fenwick
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This flight leaving tomorrow afternoon.....I'm sure arrangements can be made to have his stuff shipped to him.
$604select Copa Airlines 5:27p BOG 9:50p (5h 23m)
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Next game is June 6th... pro league starting soon... get a new coach in...we know the foreign based... get 3 b internationals in and try out new local players with the one's that deserve to be there from the maturana era
Shabazz and Fenwick both agreed that Elton John Nigel Daniel and Noel Williams should be given a real shot at the FB positions...as well as G.Wolfe of Connection and J.James must get a try at RB or LB
Avery and Cyd (once they are palying before June) must be in the squad... also Colin Samuel has to be in the squad as well..
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Gray/E.John/N.Daniel/James---------Tallest--------------Andrews/Sancho---------A.John/N.Williams/N.Daniel/James
Edwards-----------------------Dwight-------------Birchall----------------------C.Samuel/K.Daniel
-----------------------------S.JOHN-----------J.Scotland/R.Latapy/K.Jones
that is the options for June 6th and 10th
Maturana and his staff out
Hislop.. A.Edwards out... Wolfe possibly in as a wing option..not RB
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Small magician you can create 100 different formations with 100 different players but if dem players decide to play like how most of dem played against Honduras and USA it wont matter .the end results will be disappointing.and if the coaching tactics and selections dont change ...the end result will be the disappointing too
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Small magician you can create 100 different formations with 100 different players but if dem players decide to play like how most of dem played against Honduras and USA it wont matter .the end results will be disappointing.and if the coaching tactics and selections dont change ...the end result will be the disappointing too
Motivation bout intrinsic and EXTRINSIC. At present both is lackin. D coach will bring d E Motivation which will help wit d I Motivation
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i will finally post on this thread,the man is ah DUNCE who wasting we chances to go th sa2010 :puking:
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Go ahead fire Pacho. That would not solve we problems. We need a whole mid-field. All of them should be playing at home. The EPL guys not worth it.
ah tell alyah ,by tomorrow it go hav more like Deeks here,saying is not Mats fault ,screw it I give up .
A mid with the like of Yorke ,latas,me mum,hyland,roberts,bleeder,noel,keon we still not good enough to please ppl then fack it i give up to keep mats .
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he ha to have round de clock security,somebody might kick he ass.or pelt they shoe behind him.
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This flight leaving tomorrow afternoon.....I'm sure arrangements can be made to have his stuff shipped to him.
$604select Copa Airlines 5:27p BOG 9:50p (5h 23m)
Cosign
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Next game is June 6th... pro league starting soon... get a new coach in...we know the foreign based... get 3 b internationals in and try out new local players with the one's that deserve to be there from the maturana era
Shabazz and Fenwick both agreed that Elton John Nigel Daniel and Noel Williams should be given a real shot at the FB positions...as well as G.Wolfe of Connection and J.James must get a try at RB or LB
Avery and Cyd (once they are palying before June) must be in the squad... also Colin Samuel has to be in the squad as well..
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Gray/E.John/N.Daniel/James---------Tallest--------------Andrews/Sancho---------A.John/N.Williams/N.Daniel/James
Edwards-----------------------Dwight-------------Birchall----------------------C.Samuel/K.Daniel
-----------------------------S.JOHN-----------J.Scotland/R.Latapy/K.Jones
that is the options for June 6th and 10th
Maturana and his staff out
Hislop.. A.Edwards out... Wolfe possibly in as a wing option..not RB
Darryl Roberts?
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Next game is June 6th... pro league starting soon... get a new coach in...we know the foreign based... get 3 b internationals in and try out new local players with the one's that deserve to be there from the maturana era
Shabazz and Fenwick both agreed that Elton John Nigel Daniel and Noel Williams should be given a real shot at the FB positions...as well as G.Wolfe of Connection and J.James must get a try at RB or LB
Avery and Cyd (once they are palying before June) must be in the squad... also Colin Samuel has to be in the squad as well..
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Gray/E.John/N.Daniel/James---------Tallest--------------Andrews/Sancho---------A.John/N.Williams/N.Daniel/James
Edwards-----------------------Dwight-------------Birchall----------------------C.Samuel/K.Daniel
-----------------------------S.JOHN-----------J.Scotland/R.Latapy/K.Jones
that is the options for June 6th and 10th
Maturana and his staff out
Hislop.. A.Edwards out... Wolfe possibly in as a wing option..not RB
Darryl Roberts?
possibly..If Roberts could play LW which i'm sure he can he should get a call up... but upfront ... I cant see him playing over Stern and Scotty...
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i will finally post on this thread,the man is ah DUNCE who wasting we chances to go th sa2010 :puking:
You know football Ricky. Alyuh know de game is years we playing de game. That mess last night was all because of none coaching. Come nah man.
I would have fired he at half time. Our team looked clueless like the damm coach. I feel real real sick to during that game. :puking:
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i will finally post on this thread,the man is ah DUNCE who wasting we chances to go th sa2010 :puking:
You know football Ricky. Alyuh know de game is years we playing de game. That mess last night was all because of none coaching. Come nah man.
I would have fired he at half time. Our team looked clueless like the damm coach. I feel real real sick to during that game. :puking:
Thank God I got all meh upset feelin last yr at d MLS. So now I just supportin d sw fast becomin like WI cricket gr8 if we win next when we loose. If it was not for dis site I might not know when is we next game like how I does hear peeps talkin bout cricket remember we have a game.
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Pack dis man bags please................I want to tickets to SA :beermug:
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Pack dis man bags please................I want to tickets to SA :beermug:
Dey already on sale but how u goin and c play?
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Add my name to de "fire Maturana' list. I think I have been neutral long enough.
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Add my name to de "fire Maturana' list. I think I have been neutral long enough.
Welcome aboard betta late than neva. D problem it is d swtitanic. Iceberg come june 6th
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i never feel so ashamed watching my team team until last night, for some reason that rel hurt meh.
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i never feel so ashamed watching my team team until last night, for some reason that rel hurt meh.
U C if all yuh did go MLS last yr all yuh heart would not b hurtin dis morning. D bible talk bout d writin on d wall. Dis was writin it was incripted on d wall.
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You can't motivate players thru a translator!!!
You can't motivate players thru a translator!!!
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You can't motivate players thru a translator!!!
You can't motivate players thru a translator!!!
Y it does get lost in translation :rotfl: Brudder is not he spanish is d problem is he.
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You can't motivate players thru a translator!!!
You can't motivate players thru a translator!!!
Y it does get lost in translation :rotfl: Brudder is not he spanish is d problem is he.
Weary we all know is not just the language barrier but its also a major part of the problem, that is being overlooked. I’m so so vexed brethrens.
We should have gotten another coach by now man. It’s like some kinda twilight zone business going here. Jack Warner and them on drugs or something. Why we still dealing with this issue???
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So Mats still the coach right now? .Hmmm we call ourelves a serious footballing nation
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You can't motivate players thru a translator!!!
You can't motivate players thru a translator!!!
Y it does get lost in translation :rotfl: Brudder is not he spanish is d problem is he.
Weary we all know is not just the language barrier but its also a major part of the problem, that is being overlooked. I’m so so vexed brethrens.
We should have gotten another coach by now man. It’s like some kinda twilight zone business going here. Jack Warner and them on drugs or something. Why we still dealing with this issue???
Brudder I ting he cluless in all languages he wuk b4 we was for 5mths. As an HR practicioner as sinister Sam on Sesame Street say I want 2 know yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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.Indiscipline comes from the top. Warner busy fixing the UNC, while Carlos Edwards bullying Keon Daniel in taking freekicks
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Man I dislike Maturana as much as the next guy but it wasn't his fault we lost last night. It looked like we had a good plan, and until the first goal was scored, were very organized and disciplined.
The only thing I fault him for is squad selection, specifically the wing backs, the Birchie sub and the use of Daniel (who is promising) ahead of Hyland who had an excellent run on the left on Saturday.
Problem is, if these are our best available wing backs, then we can't really do much about it. We may have to start thinking about slotting Carlos in at right back, a la Dani Alves
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Man I dislike Maturana as much as the next guy but it wasn't his fault we lost last night. It looked like we had a good plan, and until the first goal was scored, were very organized and disciplined.
The only thing I fault him for is squad selection, specifically the wing backs, the Birchie sub and the use of Daniel (who is promising) ahead of Hyland who had an excellent run on the left on Saturday.
Problem is, if these are our best available wing backs, then we can't really do much about it. We may have to start thinking about slotting Carlos in at right back, a la Dani Alves
So with all that you say deh who's fault is that???
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So Mats still the coach right now? .Hmmm we call ourelves a serious footballing nation
that is wuh i doh understand.another team,that fukker was history.
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So Mats still the coach right now? .Hmmm we call ourelves a serious footballing nation
that is wuh i doh understand.another team,that f**kker was history.
Is all about Jack bro, he doesn't have that incentive, sadly
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Man I dislike Maturana as much as the next guy but it wasn't his fault we lost last night. It looked like we had a good plan, and until the first goal was scored, were very organized and disciplined.
The only thing I fault him for is squad selection, specifically the wing backs, the Birchie sub and the use of Daniel (who is promising) ahead of Hyland who had an excellent run on the left on Saturday.
Problem is, if these are our best available wing backs, then we can't really do much about it. We may have to start thinking about slotting Carlos in at right back, a la Dani Alves
Sorry Marcos...I not understanding how you can't blame the coach when he get squad selection and substitutions wrong! That is two thirds of his job after tactics! And, Akile Edwards does not start for his club team at left back (at least he didn't b4 he make the national team mysteriously) and Anthony Wolfe never play right back in his life! He went to the world cup as a forward and end up filling in at midfield and now he is a rb?
We have 10 teams in the pro league, about a next 40 below that level through the super league, reserves and zonal sides, a world cup qualifying u-20 side,a organised u-17 side. That is about 50 wingbacks out there, discounting foreigners plus men playing overseas ball... and he cah find one? It is painfully obvious that they are not our best available wing backs. They doh even have to be wingbacks, just find a defender with a left foot and a right foot and tell them keep their ass at home and jam man hard, no need to attack, cause we need to have the defence sorted before we can bother about scoring goals.
Akile Edwards ever tackle anybody before yesterday when he get the yellow card (after getting bawl up halftime most likely)?I never see the man hit nobody a blade. Even when men used to cry down Avery for too many fouls and call Cyd a wildman in the earlies, at least pelting blade is a thing u must have a as a defender. I NEVER see Akile do that.
Anybdoy play against him? He could tackle or he is more of a defender who like to intercept and read plays?
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Thursday morning 10am is he still our coach,after 3 poor performances in the final round of WCQ I THINK THE SHIP IS SINKING FAST UNDER THIS CLOWN,we are not as bad as we looked last night,peeps saying the best game under that CLOWN was ah draw,even Bermuda & Grenada beet us under mats.PLESE PLESE PLESE Jack we still have time even RL cant do worse
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Did anybody but blind me see Keon Daniel playing RB last night knowing he left footed and cah really tackle that good. Who make that call? I wonder was it the coach?
Fire de cobo man!!!!!!!
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Man I dislike Maturana as much as the next guy but it wasn't his fault we lost last night. It looked like we had a good plan, and until the first goal was scored, were very organized and disciplined.
The only thing I fault him for is squad selection, specifically the wing backs, the Birchie sub and the use of Daniel (who is promising) ahead of Hyland who had an excellent run on the left on Saturday.
Problem is, if these are our best available wing backs, then we can't really do much about it. We may have to start thinking about slotting Carlos in at right back, a la Dani Alves
Sorry Marcos...I not understanding how you can't blame the coach when he get squad selection and substitutions wrong! That is two thirds of his job after tactics! And, Akile Edwards does not start for his club team at left back (at least he didn't b4 he make the national team mysteriously) and Anthony Wolfe never play right back in his life! He went to the world cup as a forward and end up filling in at midfield and now he is a rb?
We have 10 teams in the pro league, about a next 40 below that level through the super league, reserves and zonal sides, a world cup qualifying u-20 side,a organised u-17 side. That is about 50 wingbacks out there, discounting foreigners plus men playing overseas ball... and he cah find one? It is painfully obvious that they are not our best available wing backs. They doh even have to be wingbacks, just find a defender with a left foot and a right foot and tell them keep their ass at home and jam man hard, no need to attack, cause we need to have the defence sorted before we can bother about scoring goals.
Akile Edwards ever tackle anybody before yesterday when he get the yellow card (after getting bawl up halftime most likely)?I never see the man hit nobody a blade. Even when men used to cry down Avery for too many fouls and call Cyd a wildman in the earlies, at least pelting blade is a thing u must have a as a defender. I NEVER see Akile do that.
Anybdoy play against him? He could tackle or he is more of a defender who like to intercept and read plays?
I feel where you coming from. But in all honestly, there were patches of play last night where we looked threatening going fwd and I can't recall ever seeing us look like that without Latas on the field. Maybe i setting the bar too low, but i think we made some kind of progress, albeit not enough.
Believe me, I want Maturana to go too, but i wouldn't put last night's loss on hsi shoulders. I live abroad so don't know if we do in fact have better options at wing back.
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Did anybody but blind me see Keon Daniel playing RB last night knowing he left footed and cah really tackle that good. Who make that call? I wonder was it the coach? Fire de cobo man!!!!!!!
Dat was after took a corner on the right (left footed curling in) so he had to switch momentarily as teh US went on the attack right after. If you play Fifa 09 d same ting does happen when a player out of position
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All yuh need 2 say this today
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
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Did anybody but blind me see Keon Daniel playing RB last night knowing he left footed and cah really tackle that good. Who make that call? I wonder was it the coach? Fire de cobo man!!!!!!!
Dat was after took a corner on the right (left footed curling in) so he had to switch momentarily as teh US went on the attack right after. If you play Fifa 09 d same ting does happen when a player out of position
Well we see what almost happen with he back deh "momentarily" The way that RB was playing I thought all hell did break loose and deh was willing to put anybody back deh even Keon. ::)
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Did anybody but blind me see Keon Daniel playing RB last night knowing he left footed and cah really tackle that good. Who make that call? I wonder was it the coach? Fire de cobo man!!!!!!!
Dat was after took a corner on the right (left footed curling in) so he had to switch momentarily as teh US went on the attack right after. If you play Fifa 09 d same ting does happen when a player out of position
Well we see what almost happen with he back deh "momentarily" The way that RB was playing I thought all hell did break loose and deh was willing to put anybody back deh even Keon. ::)
U sign d petition
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any suggestions on who can take over as coach after maturana gets the can?
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any suggestions on who can take over as coach after maturana gets the can?
Leh we fire him first
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dat man is a Bernie Madoff
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put my name down as well....fack
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Ah was never here or there with Mats, I know the players had defiencies. many coaches alluded to it, wheter we like them (coaches) or not.
ah find the players play bad, fault them for that ....and meh worse was Daniel, he had we effectively playing with 10...simple, simple mistakes from everyone, but 2 things which make cause meh to have to add meh name to this petition.
1. Starting 2 central Defensive mids, have them playing defeinsively, as well as 2 central attacking strikers. Leaves a hole
2. Not correcting Daniel's previous defensive defiencies or replacing him, if he not getting it.
3. Finally bringing a more attacking mid, yet removing one of the hardest working defenders, after getting an opportunity to forcefully rest him fom the 1st game, and then take him off, and leaving Daniel who we weren't getting any defense, any offense, or any coverage from.
4. Did not utilize the half to make any adjustments/subsitutions to help team cohesion and assist the negative play of the players. They were a bunch of poor playing individual, 1st AND 2nd half. Nuthen changed.
5. and for my scientific proof, Cobo brand is one thing, but I thought cobo changes is supposed to change yuh brand, so although '-'x'-'= '+', however '-'+'-' still = '-'
In conclusion, we are not or will ever go nowhere with Mr Maturana. >:(
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Beta late than neva
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The players must be questioned as well. Maturana had a decent selection with maybe the exception of Hyland. But the overall mentality of the players aproach to the game had little to do with Maturana. No tracking, pressuring the ball, attacking runs to support etc.
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The players must be questioned as well. Maturana had a decent selection with maybe the exception of Hyland. But the overall mentality of the players aproach to the game had little to do with Maturana. No tracking, pressuring the ball, attacking runs to support etc.
Yeah the players questionable but they playing de same way over a year now... who responsibility it is to motivate the players and to select the right players who fit, on form and have high morale??
The buck have to stop somewhere. If one or two men playing shit then is de men fault and de coach need to recognize and adjust.... when de whole side playing collective filth is the coach fault... and the federation have to adjust...
and is not like we now start to play dis level of shit
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The players must be questioned as well. Maturana had a decent selection with maybe the exception of Hyland. But the overall mentality of the players aproach to the game had little to do with Maturana. No tracking, pressuring the ball, attacking runs to support etc.
Yeah the players questionable but they playing de same way over a year now... who responsibility it is to motivate the players and to select the right players who fit, on form and have high morale??
The buck have to stop somewhere. If one or two men playing shit then is de men fault and de coach need to recognize and adjust.... when de whole side playing collective filth is the coach fault... and the federation have to adjust...
and is not like we now start to play dis level of shit
Ent!
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The players must be questioned as well. Maturana had a decent selection with maybe the exception of Hyland. But the overall mentality of the players aproach to the game had little to do with Maturana. No tracking, pressuring the ball, attacking runs to support etc.
Yeah the players questionable but they playing de same way over a year now... who responsibility it is to motivate the players and to select the right players who fit, on form and have high morale??
The buck have to stop somewhere. If one or two men playing shit then is de men fault and de coach need to recognize and adjust.... when de whole side playing collective filth is the coach fault... and the federation have to adjust...
and is not like we now start to play dis level of shit
Ent!
Ash wed 2008 I eh catholic and I nearly went ash after dat game
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oh god, i just had a mid day nap dream with meh father telling meh Jack fired Maturana. Why did i wake up? In that dreamland it was sweeeet
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The players must be questioned as well. Maturana had a decent selection with maybe the exception of Hyland. But the overall mentality of the players aproach to the game had little to do with Maturana. No tracking, pressuring the ball, attacking runs to support etc.
Tell me this, was the player talent pool better in 2009 as opposed to 2005? I think not. Big difference in my opinion is that the players played to a plan, minimizing their individual deficiencies and collectively working to a common and clear goal. Okay it may have been defensive in nature but it was clear. Under this goat herder, we don't appear to know what time of day it is. And please we need to stop trying to convert sub-par players from their club position to anywhere on the field. They are not good enough in the first place to make it at their natural position but they are better than the position player they are replacing. Rubbish
Blessing
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Its been more than 20 hours since our last piece ah shit of a game we played ..AND THIS MAN IS STILL OUR COACH?????..it obvious why he should be replaced, was a peitition really necessary when its clear that he should be replaced...but yes dont forget we are a serious footballing country..oh yes we take our football seriously
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Darryl Roberts?
possibly..If Roberts could play LW which i'm sure he can he should get a call up... but upfront ... I cant see him playing over Stern and Scotty...
I wonder if Daryl could take Birchie's role? He does fight the game. He has a better touch than Birch and is more confident on the ball.I always say that Brichie should always be on the field but even though his passing and touch has improved he still has some work to do.
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Darryl Roberts?
possibly..If Roberts could play LW which i'm sure he can he should get a call up... but upfront ... I cant see him playing over Stern and Scotty...
I wonder if Daryl could take Birchie's role? He does fight the game. He has a better touch than Birch and is more confident on the ball.I always say that Brichie should always be on the field but even though his passing and touch has improved he still has some work to do.
If that youth is healty then he should be giving a chance to play. He is a hustler but we done know what the bigger problem is...so that getting dealt with right now in ah meeting. ;)
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Ah read through the comments and ah only shaking mih head and laughing cuz like you Weary, ah remember when we tell people from early dis coach eh good, we were made to feel like we were blaspheming against the goodly dentist. Ah remember after one ah Touches reports, men say he too negative and he should take ah vacation.
But like granny say who cyar hear will feel and boy dem Americans surely make we feel it Wednesday night....
So let me say it again....just the way ah say it some time ago when we were all up in arms.....
MATURANA MUST GO!!!!!
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Ah read through the comments and ah only shaking mih head and laughing cuz like you Weary, ah remember when we tell people from early dis coach eh good, we were made to feel like we were blaspheming against the goodly dentist. Ah remember after one ah Touches reports, men say he too negative and he should take ah vacation.
But like granny say who cyar hear will feel and boy dem Americans surely make we feel it Wednesday night....
So let me say it again....just the way ah say it some time ago when we were all up in arms.....
MATURANA MUST GO!!!!!
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What u talkin bout gyul I was lobbyin 4 meh man Wim d long distance relationship was killin meh.
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i did my part in flooding emails with "maturana must go". Do your part next Email: ttff1908@yahoo.com, shaunfuentes@yahoo.com
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i did my part in flooding emails with "maturana must go". Do your part next Email: ttff1908@yahoo.com, shaunfuentes@yahoo.com
I just send mih email and ah feel ah fax it tomorrow and then send it in de mail......and I'll keep going like the man in the Shawshank Redemption....write until dey get fed up... :devil: ;D
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i did my part in flooding emails with "maturana must go". Do your part next Email: ttff1908@yahoo.com, shaunfuentes@yahoo.com
I just send mih email and ah feel ah fax it tomorrow and then send it in de mail......and I'll keep going like the man in the Shawshank Redemption....write until dey get fed up... :devil: ;D
U go girl
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I did my part and emailed them ;)
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Email dem peeps email dem
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The players must be questioned as well. Maturana had a decent selection with maybe the exception of Hyland. But the overall mentality of the players aproach to the game had little to do with Maturana. No tracking, pressuring the ball, attacking runs to support etc.
Tell me this, was the player talent pool better in 2009 as opposed to 2005? I think not. Big difference in my opinion is that the players played to a plan, minimizing their individual deficiencies and collectively working to a common and clear goal. Okay it may have been defensive in nature but it was clear. Under this goat herder, we don't appear to know what time of day it is. And please we need to stop trying to convert sub-par players from their club position to anywhere on the field. They are not good enough in the first place to make it at their natural position but they are better than the position player they are replacing. Rubbish
Blessing
goat herder, LOL!
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i did my part in flooding emails with "maturana must go". Do your part next Email: ttff1908@yahoo.com, shaunfuentes@yahoo.com
Ladies and Gentlemen please let your voices be heard thru these e-mails. ^^^^ Time is of the essence.
Thank you.
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i did my part in flooding emails with "maturana must go". Do your part next Email: ttff1908@yahoo.com, shaunfuentes@yahoo.com
jawfifa@aol.com
FLOOD DEM!
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:cheers: :chilling: :wavetowel: :mackdaddy: ENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D Go donkey! Go donkey!
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HALLEUJAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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After jack get he four more years with FIFA he felt better; then he hit ah six in the stands putting an end to the era of Maturana and his team. ;D
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After jack get he four more years with FIFA he felt better; then he hit ah six in the stands putting an end to the era of Maturana and his team. ;D
A single was required no need 2 go 4 a six.
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i did my part in flooding emails with "maturana must go". Do your part next Email: ttff1908@yahoo.com, shaunfuentes@yahoo.com
jawfifa@aol.com
FLOOD DEM!
i tell yuh it does work. TTFF secretary and dem email flood up of protest letters wanting Mats gone. Sending email are more powerful incombination of just posting your opinion on the forum
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After jack get he four more years with FIFA he felt better; then he hit ah six in the stands putting an end to the era of Maturana and his team. ;D
A single was required no need 2 go 4 a six.
I like to see de ball hit up in de stands and have people ducking and ting from cock ball lash. ;)
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i did my part in flooding emails with "maturana must go". Do your part next Email: ttff1908@yahoo.com, shaunfuentes@yahoo.com
jawfifa@aol.com
FLOOD DEM!
i tell yuh it does work. TTFF secretary and dem email flood up of protest letters wanting Mats gone. Sending email are more powerful incombination of just posting your opinion on the forum
Ent!! Lewwe keep them e-mails address handy. :P