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Title: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Sam on January 06, 2009, 05:25:56 AM
Didn't know Human Trafficking has hit Trinidad and Tobago big time, some 600 people missing and unaccounted for.

Fellas, we doom !!!! Its only a matter of time..

Under Patrick Manning T&T has been the worst in History. How can this man sit here and do NOTHING !!!!!

Human Trafficking and Kidnapping is the worst thing that could happen to a country.

Parents, look after your kids, tick or thin, keep them close, families, time to unite !!!! T&T heading for a disaster, George Bush run down USA and now Manning doing the same to T&T. We are living a policitcal nightmare.

Politics will destroy mankind.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Brownsugar on January 06, 2009, 05:35:36 AM
A woman's niece went missing in November 08 and she has been trying to get the police to help her to no avail (what else is new ::)).  She along with a few people whose relatives have been missing, formed a group and began to speak out about the issue of missing persons.  They have been saying that there is a human trafficking ring operating in T&T, but the Acting CoP has stated that the police has no concrete evidence of such.  He also stated that the police will be stepping up operations to solve the missing persons cases.

I want to highlight however, that if this woman had not stood up, formed a group and kept the issue on the front burner, this would not have been in the news now....I can't remember her name but well done miss lady.... :applause:
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Daft Trini on January 06, 2009, 07:00:33 AM
Back in de day when I use to live in Gasparillo... we knew about this ring... had a place of "old parforce rd" called Villa Nisa and dey use to film blues back in de day.... has spanish, (warahoo), guyanese and locals... until the son shoot de fadder and kill him... heard stories of bestiality, child porn and mutilation coming from that place. Was true because a fella whom we knew casually marry one of de indian from guyana that escape/released. Den she was saying "hostel style killings went on an thing" Funny thing Hans Boos use to be a regular and we use to be excited once in a while when he would drive around going "Is Hans boos, curator" next thing yuh know he had thousands of tapes of kiddie porn. Sad to know the rings still alive.....

B&S give we ah story dey de other day that sicken meh.... de evil man does do to woman doh surprise meh anymore....
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: john_public on January 06, 2009, 07:05:34 AM



http://www.guardian.co.tt/news9.html


Warning! There are human traffickers in Trinidad
by Yvonne Baboolal

Have you notice in the last year that more people went missing and never found than kidnapping ????


A chilling warning is being sent out to mothers of young daughters, to women in general, and even sons to be on the lookout for human traffickers in T&T.

Human traffickers are on the prowl, looking to lure children and women to sell them abroad for big money.

“Children, because they live longer, are sold for over $200,000. Adults can fetch as much as $100,000. They are mostly used as sex slaves and sometimes for slave labour.

“Sometimes, they are used to make pay-offs in the drug trade,” a well-placed source told the Sunday Guardian.

Men owing drug lords are being lured into capturing humans, who will be sold for payment of their debts.

A well-placed police source believes, though, that the trade is in its early stages.

A source, pleading for anonymity for fear of his life, said victims were drugged almost immediately after capture and their cellphones switched off.

A Sunday Guardian investigation revealed that the lucrative human trafficking ring was operating in the Cascade/St Ann’s area, between Sangre Grande and Tunapuna, Diego Martin and in South.

Women have mysteriously disappeared from the Cascade area without a trace during the past year, and several straying young boys have vanished from the streets of San Fernando.

The clandestine local trade, which operates through a well-organised network and is supported by several powerful agencies, is linked to an international human trafficking ring.

Even some policemen are convinced that there is a human trafficking ring in Trinidad, and they suspect that a number of missing persons have been victims of the trade, but they were reluctant to say more.

Acting Commissioner of Police James Philbert could not be reached, while Deputy Commissioner Gilbert Reyes was in an all-day meeting on Thursday and Friday, we were told.

No calls were returned.

Even an officer from the Special Anti-Crime Unit of T&T said he could not divulge information on the matter.

Immigration officials were not helpful either.

Big businessman involved

Fingers are pointing at a popular Trinidad businessman, who has been described as “the big man” in the human trade.

“He’s popular. He is also linked with other businessmen across the country.”

This information was unearthed after a female relative of a man went missing several months ago. The man said his family, desperate for answers, launched their own investigation with the support of a police officer and local private investigators.

They have the information, but are selective with whom they share it, and are still trying to unearth more information before they meet with National Security Minister Martin Joseph and the acting Commissioner of Police James Philbert.

Their fear is that they “don’t know who to trust,” and that’s why they are moving so cautiously.

A spokesman from the newly formed Missing People Association (MPA) said their own investigations had revealed that people abducted were shipped out to foreign countries where foreign languages are spoken thus making escape difficult.

MPA’s investigations also revealed that those abducted are shipped via points from Moruga, Cedros, Sea Lots and Chaguaramas.

“T&T is not on the list of countries known for human trafficking, and criminals here are taking full advantage of that. Notice there has been a decline in kidnappings and an increase in missing persons?” the spokesman added.

“Criminals realise human trafficking is now more lucrative than kidnapping.”

The spokesman said after months of probing, they discovered that while “big men” are behind the ring, they sometimes pay ordinary people, including taxi-drivers and relatives, to lure victims, who are usually “well scoped out” first.

The trafficking also includes young women who are being brought into the country from Venezuela, Colombia and Guyana.

The women are held and forced into the sex trade, where they make porn movies and are sold as prostitutes by influential locals.

Money made from this is kept by the businessmen involved.

No anti-trafficking agency

Earlier this year, T&T’s chief of mission for the International Office of Migration (IOM), Tom Sinkovits, disclosed in a Guardian interview that there were cases of human trafficking in the Caribbean.

He said during the last two years he had been in Trinidad, he’d had reports of the trade.

According to another report from “US Government sources,” Trinidad was named as a place to which girls and women were trafficked.

The report also said Venezuela was a transit and destination point for the trafficking of men, women and children.

An IOM report said the organisation was working with the T&T Government to formulate legislation on human trafficking and to develop a coalition with the Government and non-governmental organisations to deal with the matter.

But a US Department of State report of 2007 said virtually nothing had been done by the T&T Government to combat human trafficking.

“The Government has not designated a specific agency to combat trafficking or sponsored any public awareness campaigns to address the issue during the year 2007.”

The report stated that the Government “continues to co-operate” with the IOM in a strengthening technical capacity project to bolster the capability of the Immigration Division and other law enforcement agencies.

Jamaica on alert

Jamaica is much more active in combatting human trafficking, however.

In a Jamaica newspaper last Thursday, an anti-trafficking group warned young Jamaicans to be on the alert during the Christmas season for human traffickers.

Sheila Nicholson, of the Anti-Trafficking Project, warned young people to be careful at private and public parties, as well as clubs and bars.

“Ruthless criminals who buy and sell human beings for large-scale profit use these seemingly safe situations to trick and trap victims who can end up in forced prostitution, or unpaid labour under brutal conditions.
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: kaliman2006 on January 06, 2009, 07:05:44 AM
Back in de day when I use to live in Gasparillo... we knew about this ring... had a place of "old parforce rd" called Villa Nisa and dey use to film blues back in de day.... has spanish, (warahoo), guyanese and locals... until the son shoot de fadder and kill him... heard stories of bestiality, child porn and mutilation coming from that place. Was true because a fella whom we knew casually marry one of de indian from guyana that escape/released. Den she was saying "hostel style killings went on an thing" Funny thing Hans Boos use to be a regular and we use to be excited once in a while when he would drive around going "Is Hans boos, curator" next thing yuh know he had thousands of tapes of kiddie porn. Sad to know the rings still alive.....

B&S give we ah story dey de other day that sicken meh.... de evil man does do to woman doh surprise meh anymore....

Ah wouldn't say "man"....Is more like ah demon actin' through the shell of what used to be a man.
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on January 06, 2009, 07:05:59 AM
Back in de day when I use to live in Gasparillo... we knew about this ring... had a place of "old parforce rd" called Villa Nisa and dey use to film blues back in de day.... has spanish, (warahoo), guyanese and locals... until the son shoot de fadder and kill him... heard stories of bestiality, child porn and mutilation coming from that place. Was true because a fella whom we knew casually marry one of de indian from guyana that escape/released. Den she was saying "hostel style killings went on an thing" Funny thing Hans Boos use to be a regular and we use to be excited once in a while when he would drive around going "Is Hans boos, curator" next thing yuh know he had thousands of tapes of kiddie porn. Sad to know the rings still alive.....

B&S give we ah story dey de other day that sicken meh.... de evil man does do to woman doh surprise meh anymore....

Where in Gasparillo you from ?
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Andre on January 06, 2009, 07:47:24 AM
Back in de day when I use to live in Gasparillo... we knew about this ring... had a place of "old parforce rd" called Villa Nisa and dey use to film blues back in de day.... has spanish, (warahoo), guyanese and locals... until the son shoot de fadder and kill him... heard stories of bestiality, child porn and mutilation coming from that place. Was true because a fella whom we knew casually marry one of de indian from guyana that escape/released. Den she was saying "hostel style killings went on an thing" Funny thing Hans Boos use to be a regular and we use to be excited once in a while when he would drive around going "Is Hans boos, curator" next thing yuh know he had thousands of tapes of kiddie porn. Sad to know the rings still alive.....

B&S give we ah story dey de other day that sicken meh.... de evil man does do to woman doh surprise meh anymore....

Where in Gasparillo you from ?

it have a setta Rillo Boys here? i is another one.
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on January 06, 2009, 07:52:52 AM
Back in de day when I use to live in Gasparillo... we knew about this ring... had a place of "old parforce rd" called Villa Nisa and dey use to film blues back in de day.... has spanish, (warahoo), guyanese and locals... until the son shoot de fadder and kill him... heard stories of bestiality, child porn and mutilation coming from that place. Was true because a fella whom we knew casually marry one of de indian from guyana that escape/released. Den she was saying "hostel style killings went on an thing" Funny thing Hans Boos use to be a regular and we use to be excited once in a while when he would drive around going "Is Hans boos, curator" next thing yuh know he had thousands of tapes of kiddie porn. Sad to know the rings still alive.....

B&S give we ah story dey de other day that sicken meh.... de evil man does do to woman doh surprise meh anymore....

Where in Gasparillo you from ?

it have a setta Rillo Boys here? i is another one.

Na, I from La Romain. But I know people in Gasparillo.
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Andre on January 06, 2009, 08:01:36 AM
i went to school with nuff la romain man.

allyuh used to have a bad gangsta rep.
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: JDB on January 06, 2009, 09:11:56 AM
When I see the title the first thing cross my mind is them south americans they does be bringing into the local "service" industry.

I sure most of them are held without passports and documentation at the whim of their bosses.
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Quags on January 06, 2009, 09:43:56 AM
Human body parts expensive also .These movies like hostel ,really get these men excited eh   :-\
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: truetrini on January 06, 2009, 10:09:09 AM
steups. they missing, never heard from, and never found, ergo they have been trafficked?
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: capodetutticapi on January 06, 2009, 10:31:00 AM
this goin on long time.
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: asylumseeker on January 06, 2009, 02:25:20 PM
It all started when an enterprising trader in China overheard a foreign speculator who spoke poor English saying that that there was money to be made in Hunan ... the rest as they say is his story ... think about it ;)
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: weary1969 on January 06, 2009, 02:49:20 PM
D COP said of d 600 + only 77 not accountable. Some ah dem lock up say dey eh missin dey just leave home etc. So y it may traffickin it eh 600 peeps missin.
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: asylumseeker on January 06, 2009, 05:14:02 PM
D COP said of d 600 + only 77 not accountable. Some ah dem lock up say dey eh missin dey just leave home etc. So y it may traffickin it eh 600 peeps missin.

they still missing
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: truetrini on January 06, 2009, 05:45:58 PM
I hope that they eh tief TrinInfinite  ;)
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: weary1969 on January 06, 2009, 06:50:20 PM
D COP said of d 600 + only 77 not accountable. Some ah dem lock up say dey eh missin dey just leave home etc. So y it may traffickin it eh 600 peeps missin.

they still missing

77 missing not 600 they have accounted 4 everbody else. If u go 2 a fete and get drunk and yuh friends take u home but your family call d police u in d missin person statistics.
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: truetrini on January 06, 2009, 07:27:19 PM
Hey all dis talk about how bad Trinidad is now compared to back in the 70's...guess what...

TEN WORST COUNTRIES FOR MURDER (MID-1970s)
COUNTRY
   
PER 100,000
(1) Lesotho    141
(2) Bahamas    23
(3) Guyana    22
(4) Lebanon    20
(5) Netherlands Antilles    12
(6) Iraq    12
(7) Sri Lanka    12
(8) Cyprus    11
(9) Trindad & Tobago    10
(10) Jamaica    10

source:

http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html

Case Study

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTHAITI/Resources/CaribbeanC&VChapter9.pdf
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: capodetutticapi on January 06, 2009, 07:32:44 PM
bahamas was vicious back in de day.
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: truetrini on January 06, 2009, 07:34:14 PM
bahamas was vicious back in de day.

Bahamas still vicious today.
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Daft Trini on January 06, 2009, 08:08:03 PM
Parforce.... just off Gasparillo Composite School

Back in de day when I use to live in Gasparillo... we knew about this ring... had a place of "old parforce rd" called Villa Nisa and dey use to film blues back in de day.... has spanish, (warahoo), guyanese and locals... until the son shoot de fadder and kill him... heard stories of bestiality, child porn and mutilation coming from that place. Was true because a fella whom we knew casually marry one of de indian from guyana that escape/released. Den she was saying "hostel style killings went on an thing" Funny thing Hans Boos use to be a regular and we use to be excited once in a while when he would drive around going "Is Hans boos, curator" next thing yuh know he had thousands of tapes of kiddie porn. Sad to know the rings still alive.....

B&S give we ah story dey de other day that sicken meh.... de evil man does do to woman doh surprise meh anymore....

Where in Gasparillo you from ?

From Parforce near Gasparillo Composite...
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: verycute1 on January 06, 2009, 08:10:59 PM
Back in de day when I use to live in Gasparillo... we knew about this ring... had a place of "old parforce rd" called Villa Nisa and dey use to film blues back in de day.... has spanish, (warahoo), guyanese and locals... until the son shoot de fadder and kill him... heard stories of bestiality, child porn and mutilation coming from that place. Was true because a fella whom we knew casually marry one of de indian from guyana that escape/released. Den she was saying "hostel style killings went on an thing" Funny thing Hans Boos use to be a regular and we use to be excited once in a while when he would drive around going "Is Hans boos, curator" next thing yuh know he had thousands of tapes of kiddie porn. Sad to know the rings still alive.....

B&S give we ah story dey de other day that sicken meh.... de evil man does do to woman doh surprise meh anymore....

Where in Gasparillo you from ?

it have a setta Rillo Boys here? i is another one.

Na, I from La Romain. But I know people in Gasparillo.


Where in La Romain you from?
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: elan on January 06, 2009, 08:44:19 PM
Islong time now that going on so don't just hang blame on Manning. You can trace the crazy set of happening back to when Panday said boldy that he "would sleep with the devil." After that I think (could have had more since then) was the bloodiest week on the road ways of T&T in vehicular accidents.

I rememer this youth man in St. Mary's Moruga went to the shop to buy Crix and toothpaste I think, a half block from he house. You could see the shop from he house, and up to today no one know where he went or is. That was the son of the whe whe man. The child just disappear less the 200m from he home.
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: truetrini on January 07, 2009, 12:00:36 AM
what evidence they have of that ....human trafficking going on in T&T?

I feel is some f**king dotish ass politican who come up with dat shit.
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on January 07, 2009, 05:35:49 AM
i went to school with nuff la romain man.

allyuh used to have a bad gangsta rep.

Yea, we known for that... 8)....
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on January 07, 2009, 05:36:46 AM
Back in de day when I use to live in Gasparillo... we knew about this ring... had a place of "old parforce rd" called Villa Nisa and dey use to film blues back in de day.... has spanish, (warahoo), guyanese and locals... until the son shoot de fadder and kill him... heard stories of bestiality, child porn and mutilation coming from that place. Was true because a fella whom we knew casually marry one of de indian from guyana that escape/released. Den she was saying "hostel style killings went on an thing" Funny thing Hans Boos use to be a regular and we use to be excited once in a while when he would drive around going "Is Hans boos, curator" next thing yuh know he had thousands of tapes of kiddie porn. Sad to know the rings still alive.....

B&S give we ah story dey de other day that sicken meh.... de evil man does do to woman doh surprise meh anymore....

Where in Gasparillo you from ?

it have a setta Rillo Boys here? i is another one.

Na, I from La Romain. But I know people in Gasparillo.


Where in La Romain you from?

PM Me !!!!!!
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on January 07, 2009, 05:37:19 AM
Parforce.... just off Gasparillo Composite School

Back in de day when I use to live in Gasparillo... we knew about this ring... had a place of "old parforce rd" called Villa Nisa and dey use to film blues back in de day.... has spanish, (warahoo), guyanese and locals... until the son shoot de fadder and kill him... heard stories of bestiality, child porn and mutilation coming from that place. Was true because a fella whom we knew casually marry one of de indian from guyana that escape/released. Den she was saying "hostel style killings went on an thing" Funny thing Hans Boos use to be a regular and we use to be excited once in a while when he would drive around going "Is Hans boos, curator" next thing yuh know he had thousands of tapes of kiddie porn. Sad to know the rings still alive.....

B&S give we ah story dey de other day that sicken meh.... de evil man does do to woman doh surprise meh anymore....

Where in Gasparillo you from ?

From Parforce near Gasparillo Composite...

My family from there too...
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on January 07, 2009, 06:30:50 AM
AG: No evidence of human trafficking in T&T
By: Richard Lord | (Guardian).


Attorney General Bridgid Annisette-George says there is “no empirical evidence to show the existence of human trafficking in this country. In a brief comment on the issue Tuesday, Annisette-George said it must be noted, however, that T&T was part of a world which was shrinking in size through the effects of globalisation. She said given the vibrancy of the scourge of human trafficking in the international arena it was incumbent that T&T “be anticipatory in its approach to institute preventative/precautionary measures such as tightening our immigration policies and improving on capacity to patrol our borders.”

Annisette-George said the T&T Government had been proactive from the legislative perspective, as it recently enacted the International Child Abduction Act, which provided for the establishment of the Civil Child Abduction Authority, which in turn “is a mechanism designed to provide for swift return of children who have been abducted from their home of habitual residence.” Annisette-George said the Children’s Bill, now before a Special Select Committee of Parliament, contained provisions for the offence of trafficking in children within and outside the borders of this country.

She said when enacted, the legislation would provide for “stiff penalties for persons convicted of such offences.” The AG added: “It is noteworthy that at the time of the debate (in Parliament) the voices which are being raised were not heard in support of the bill, even solely on those two measures.” The Congress of the People last month called on the Government to make human trafficking legislation a priority this year. Acting Commissioner of Police James Philbert has denied the existence of human trafficking in T&T.
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Sam on January 29, 2009, 06:44:02 AM
Joint effort to lift lid on human trafficking.
T&T Guardian.


In the murky underworld where serious crime flourishes, law enforcement authorities, without saying so, have long conceded the existence of activities about which their guesswork is only as good as that of the ordinary citizen. Human trafficking, which this newspaper’s reporting has been pursuing steadily, qualifies as an activity as nefarious as the African slave trade that ended in these parts in the early 19th century.

As in so many areas, the standard official posture toward it has been one of denial. Ill-advisedly, Attorney General Bridgid Annisette-George lent the prestige of her office to the assertion that no empirical evidence of human trafficking has appeared in T&T. That may be only a recognition of the narrow limits on the criminal intelligence derived by police and other investigators. But to wave away, or stonewall, consistently-expressed public fears with an implicit demand, “Prove it,” is an unsatisfactory response for officials at any level. The Attorney General and, indeed, every law enforcer should be assuring that investigative work is in progress, leaving no impression that the file on a heinous variety of crime has been closed, or not even opened.

What feeds conjecture and speculation about an international trade in live human bodies is the familiar pattern of people vanishing without a trace. That this should happen again and again, in a small, two-island land space such as Trinidad and Tobago, is deeply troubling. Regularly in the news, people, conspicuously among them young women, are reported “missing.” Police protocols have traditionally assumed that a set period must elapse before entertaining suggestions of criminal possibilities warranting investigation.  Such delays give kidnappers or body- snatchers valuable lead time to cover their tracks, or, as widely suspected, to hustle their captives out of the country through the many backdoors. While disappearances continue, rumours persist.

In one vividly illustrated urban legend, a small girl, separated from her parent in a shopping mall, was found after a search with her hair cut and dressed in boy’s clothes. It took a paid advertisement by the mall management to dispel that rumour. Kidnappings and disappearances eventually become a nightmare scenario, giving a heightened edge of horror to the regular crime scares. Between 2007 and last week, 1,108 people were reported missing, police say. Most have since been accounted for, but 173 people, with their families in a lingering state of shock, remain on the “outstanding” list of mystery vanishings.

That a “market” exists somewhere for such bodies, live or not, is a hypothesis worthy of rigorous evaluation.  Which is the useful aim of the round table exercise involving Colombian authorities, announced by National Security Minister Martin Joseph. Colombia is known to have a vast, trackless hinterland, and long-standing, criminal underworld organisations. That South American republic’s law-enforcement capacity is correspondingly larger than T&T’s and likely better-supplied with intelligence resources. Mr Joseph described the round table as a first stage in a project undertaken by the International Organisation of Migration to map out likely patterns of illegal migration.

Such migration may well be linked to human trafficking, but it is obviously helpful to identify properly what is to be investigated. “Human trafficking is a serious global problem,” the minister has acknowledged. Even suggestions that T&T may be contributing to the problem should prompt thoroughgoing investigations, led without pre-existing mental biases. T&T must move to lift the lid on this long impenetrably dark area of criminality, and advance the level of its database from anecdotal to empirical.
Title: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Michael-j on March 03, 2009, 10:09:21 AM
Just heard on the radio that a cargo container full of children was "discovered " at the port of port of spain. Details are scarce but apparently the container was just about to be loaded onto a ship for export. :o

 
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 03, 2009, 10:14:11 AM
wtf.
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: Jumbie on March 03, 2009, 10:17:34 AM
wtf2
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: Queen Macoomeh on March 03, 2009, 10:29:49 AM
eh?
have to be a mistake.
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on March 03, 2009, 10:36:18 AM
I hear that too. Real police on the port apparently.

It was on CNC3 12 o'clock news, not on TV6.

The nigganet say that the little girl whey get hold outside the school was in the fray.
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: Queen Macoomeh on March 03, 2009, 10:39:52 AM
ah feeeling a little sick in meh soul...
tell me is a lie or point me to a news flash please?
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 03, 2009, 10:40:07 AM
i eh believe is ah whole container full ah chirren,if this is true though,heads have to roll.consignee,shipper,trucker.all them involved.custom guard too.
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 03, 2009, 10:41:47 AM
yuh know how much chirren could fit in ah 40ft container.so much chirren on de missin list in trini.i eh tink so.
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: Queen Macoomeh on March 03, 2009, 10:41:54 AM
I contacted folks at home...
they are awaiting news reports of the 'rumour'...
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: Jumbie on March 03, 2009, 10:47:06 AM
I listening to radio and sending emails, but eh hearing nothing to confirm.

I really hope this kinda shit eh true.
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: Queen Macoomeh on March 03, 2009, 10:47:49 AM
I listening to radio and sending emails, but eh hearing nothing to confirm.

I really hope this kinda shit eh true.

boy...you and me both.
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on March 03, 2009, 10:53:02 AM
yuh know how much chirren could fit in ah 40ft container.so much chirren on de missin list in trini.i eh tink so.

well yuh know how ting does get blow out ah porportion

but one chile is too many, but yeah I doubt is ah full container

details real sketchy for the hour

if it is true I want to see wha Martin Joseph go say now after he proclaim that there was no human trafficking

but considering all that has happen thus far and he still have he wok my guess is he go have he wok tomorrow normal

 
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: Jumbie on March 03, 2009, 11:01:40 AM
Just heard it on the radio.. they reporting that it as many as 75 kids they found
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: pecan on March 03, 2009, 11:07:24 AM
Just heard it on the radio.. they reporting that it as many as 75 kids they found

what is wrong with people?
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 03, 2009, 11:09:31 AM
real real bad.thank god they find them.
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: Jumbie on March 03, 2009, 11:12:56 AM
Just heard it on the radio.. they reporting that it as many as 75 kids they found

what is wrong with people?

and I leggo my girls loose when we were there.. fooling myself that they safe!
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: Jumbie on March 03, 2009, 11:15:37 AM
Radio now saying its NOT true.
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: Queen Macoomeh on March 03, 2009, 11:16:01 AM
I called CNT news...there is no confirmation of this story as of this moment.
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: Jah Gol on March 03, 2009, 11:26:58 AM
The radio stations and dem have regular programming. Neither tv6 nor C showing anything.
Title: breaking news in tnt...container of children
Post by: Big Magician on March 03, 2009, 11:30:51 AM
folks...just heard a container of 75 drugged and shaven children were found in CHAG ....
its not football...but bigger....so much for if akile good or 3 points
Title: Re: breaking news in tnt...container of children
Post by: Brownsugar on March 03, 2009, 11:35:32 AM
Power 102 fm say the report is not true....
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: Brownsugar on March 03, 2009, 11:36:32 AM
Radio now saying its NOT true.

I just heard that too....
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Jah Gol on March 03, 2009, 11:39:45 AM
That is a sick thing to fabricate.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: dinho on March 03, 2009, 11:47:33 AM
please tell me this is not true....

this kinda thing could make yuh lose yuh faith in humanity.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Sam on March 03, 2009, 12:00:21 PM
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/stop-humantrafficking-in-trinidad-and-tobago.html
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Lil Jodie P on March 03, 2009, 12:02:33 PM
spoke to friends that offices overlooking the port and they say the area real lock down, real police out there!
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: zuluwarrior on March 03, 2009, 12:04:57 PM
Eh alyuh must not do make them kind ah facking joke boy is it true or not please somebody say it is true .
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 03, 2009, 12:06:35 PM
de media tryin to hide sumting.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Lil Jodie P on March 03, 2009, 12:08:25 PM
heard they found Leah Lammy in the container too
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Queen Macoomeh on March 03, 2009, 12:10:17 PM
all yuh have real jokes yes...
 >:(
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: spideybuff on March 03, 2009, 12:10:28 PM
My link in the guardian say they got a call from a port worker but the police have the place on lockdown and not letting any media in, that is why we cah get confirmation either way.

Something up tho...
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Lil Jodie P on March 03, 2009, 12:12:08 PM
this is info i got from someone working at the Neal and Massy compound on the port...
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Michael-j on March 03, 2009, 12:18:40 PM
My link in the guardian say they got a call from a port worker but the police have the place on lockdown and not letting any media in, that is why we cah get confirmation either way.

Something up tho...

I heard it first from my sis who works at CCN...this was like 11:30 am....then I heard it on the radio at 12 noon. But surprisingly nothing on TV6 yet...
Something going on  for real..
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: D.H.W on March 03, 2009, 12:24:31 PM
nah they say is not true, Port Authority say is not true i just hear on cnc3

Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Lil Jodie P on March 03, 2009, 12:36:27 PM
could you just imagine the panic this place would be in if it really turns out to  be true? what a mess...
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Brownsugar on March 03, 2009, 12:39:43 PM
nah they say is not true, Port Authority say is not true i just hear on cnc3


Actually the Port Authority's release said "they were investigating" circumstances surrounding the rumour being spread or words to that effect....

Essentially they didn't deny that something is happening on the Port, they just not confirming the rumour at this point....
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Babalawo on March 03, 2009, 12:42:10 PM
Manning tell them to say its not true so he wont look bad for the summit  :devil:
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: D.H.W on March 03, 2009, 12:42:51 PM
Manning tell them to say its not true so he wont look bad for the summit  :devil:

u never know
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Lil Jodie P on March 03, 2009, 12:48:53 PM
Manning tell them to say its not true so he wont look bad for the summit  :devil:

u never know

seriously would not doubt that!
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Jah Gol on March 03, 2009, 12:49:49 PM
One guy on facebook is saying they are clearing arms off the port. 
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: D.H.W on March 03, 2009, 12:54:42 PM
lord, look i go wait till 7pm yes, too much stories
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Babalawo on March 03, 2009, 12:55:19 PM
Manning tell them to say its not true so he wont look bad for the summit  :devil:

u never know

seriously would not doubt that!

Either kids or guns.  Kids would be worst.  He already shut up 94.1 fm, he will never let the police let in the press.  Unless some press agency secretly pay off an unidentified police officer to spill the news, TMZ style.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Jah Gol on March 03, 2009, 01:00:40 PM
Something is probably going on. A rumour like this should be refuted by the Commissioner of Police very quickly. It kinda strange.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Jah Gol on March 03, 2009, 01:05:10 PM
The Port Authority of Trinidad and Tobago has confirmed finding no evidence to support the claim that containers of children were intercepted at the port. Police were brought in investigate the claim .Nothing was found.
From I 955fm 3:00pm  news update .
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: spideybuff on March 03, 2009, 01:06:34 PM
Well i hearing chagauramus and i hearing the port in town lockdown. How's this theory :supposed the police get a tipoff, went to the wrong port and now trying to deny the rumour?

And I very much believe the gov't would quash that rumour too if it was true, kinda like the dengue. Is not only yesterday Martin Joseph deny it have people smuggling?
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Lil Jodie P on March 03, 2009, 01:10:41 PM
whatever the story is...if it true or not...the county reach a really bad state!!!
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Jah Gol on March 03, 2009, 01:14:31 PM
The Commissioner of TTPS is also now denying it.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: ribbit on March 03, 2009, 01:17:59 PM
with the england team arriving, security musbe tight.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: BigToe on March 03, 2009, 01:31:02 PM
de media tryin to hide sumting.

It's not the media. This is censorship boss. It coming from above.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Queen Macoomeh on March 03, 2009, 01:44:24 PM
media doesn't usually try to hide things. They get it wrong, right, overdo it, overlook it or overexpose it but not hide...
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: elan on March 03, 2009, 01:45:26 PM
Alyuh living in the states to long with all the conspirtacy about orders from top to say differently. Shut the hell up and let's hear what going on. We really need to change we attitude, we thrive on bad news.


Okay so what if it was/is true, what's wrong with the COP or PM saying keep it under wraps for the minute?
We must always air we dirty laundry in public all the time so?

This is a sickening thing if true and to deal withit as quietly as possible would be a plus....hell the police receiving a tip, acting on it and getting it right is a huge plus.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: verycute1 on March 03, 2009, 01:59:38 PM
I call my dad and he said he ent hear anything like that on local news
I really hope it not true, but at the same time part of me hope it is so that missing people could be reunited with their families and manning and them could open their eyes for once.
Title: Re: Developing story
Post by: WestCoast on March 03, 2009, 02:05:54 PM
Just heard it on the radio.. they reporting that it as many as 75 kids they found
oh shite

Lets hope all are OK............................if true ;)
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: verycute1 on March 03, 2009, 02:18:59 PM
MY mom just called me from trini. She said that the 4pm news confirmed that the rumor is going around but didnt address anything else. She waiting to see what they say on the 7pm news. So perhaps, if the popo really there, they went to the docks because of the rumor?  And if they find nothing or maybe they find something but not children? Weapons, drugs maybe?
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: dinho on March 03, 2009, 02:23:51 PM
rumors have a way of spreading like wildfire in trinidad..

i remember a year i was in work and a rumor went around that it had a terrorist attack in downtown port of spain. big mass exodus from town and real traffic to go up the road under nothing...

for all yuh know, this rumor could be to send police down by the port so de real big drug shipment could pass thru by chaguaramas.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: WestCoast on March 03, 2009, 02:27:11 PM
for all yuh know, this rumor could be to send police down by the port so de real big drug shipment could pass thru by chaguaramas.
NOW
we talking  :devil:
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: verycute1 on March 03, 2009, 02:33:10 PM
for all yuh know, this rumor could be to send police down by the port so de real big drug shipment could pass thru by chaguaramas.
NOW
we talking  :devil:

You know..... things being the way they are, I could believe that. :thinking:
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: TdotTrini on March 03, 2009, 02:35:30 PM
for all yuh know, this rumor could be to send police down by the port so de real big drug shipment could pass thru by chaguaramas.
NOW
we talking  :devil:

You know..... things being the way they are, I could believe that. :thinking:

Heard police were seaching Chaguaramas since yesterday. Check that the Army been combing Chaguaramas since yesterday.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Bitter on March 03, 2009, 02:36:57 PM
Report of children found in container at Port are false

Tuesday 3rd March, 2009
http://www.ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=9608

The port authority says a report that children were found in a container at the Port of Port of Spain is not true.

The port authority says it has thoroughly and carefully investigated the report with the national police and they have found absolutely no evidence to support this information.

Read the official Media Release from the Port of Port of Spain

MEDIA RELEASE

Re: Report Circulating of Container Found With Children at Port of Port of Spain

It has come to the attention of the Port Authority that information has been circulating that children were found in a container at the Port of Port of Spain.

We wish to state that the Port Authority has carefully and thoroughly investigated this report with the national police. So far, we have found absolutely no evidence to support this information.

However, our Security personnel continue to investigate and monitor our premises in response to this very serious report.

Christopher Mendez
CEO/GM
Port Authority of Trinidad & Tobago
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Jah Gol on March 03, 2009, 02:40:50 PM
Is a good thing the report are false.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: WestCoast on March 03, 2009, 02:42:59 PM
Is a good thing the report are false.
yes
Thank God
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: verycute1 on March 03, 2009, 02:45:21 PM
Its a good thing - although I dont like the phrasing in the media release itself, the "So far, we have found absolutely no evidence to support this information." part  It just leaves it wide open for a reversal.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Babalawo on March 03, 2009, 02:47:23 PM
Yes lets wait for the evidence,  Manning have to impress Obama and the rest.  It also bad for businesses wanting investing in TnT
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: weary1969 on March 03, 2009, 02:57:34 PM
TNT is d land of humour and rumour. Hear how d day went wit calls
They find chirren head shave in a container on d Port

A friend a female Custom Officer summoned 2 Port

POS lock down

45 chirren found

When I tell d person who call me 1st that I check my peeps and it eh true they coverin it and dey find Leah leh we here where dey say dey find Leah.

Nutten nobody say go convince she dat it eh true.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Quags on March 03, 2009, 02:58:33 PM
Is a good thing the report are false.
yes
Thank God
Why is good  ??? It would be a divine blessing to find  we kids ent ? oh is bad cause we will look bad ,I doh get it.

Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: TdotTrini on March 03, 2009, 03:02:01 PM
Is a good thing the report are false.
yes
Thank God
Why is good  ??? It would be a divine blessing to find  we kids ent ? oh is bad cause we will look bad ,I doh get it.

Was wondering the same thing.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: WestCoast on March 03, 2009, 03:03:59 PM
Is a good thing the report are false.
yes
Thank God
Why is good  ??? It would be a divine blessing to find  we kids ent ? oh is bad cause we will look bad ,I doh get it.
I hoping the report of a container of kids is FALSE
therefore NO Kidnapped kids (for human trafficking) atall atall.
ya unna stan my view now
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: verycute1 on March 03, 2009, 03:23:48 PM
Is a good thing the report are false.
yes
Thank God
Why is good  ??? It would be a divine blessing to find  we kids ent ? oh is bad cause we will look bad ,I doh get it.
I hoping the report of a container of kids is FALSE
therefore NO Kidnapped kids (for human trafficking) atall atall.
ya unna stan my view now

Understand your view. But at the end of the day it still have missing children and people still holding out hope for them. Just heard from my person at the express, no truth to the rumor whatsoever. So on the one hand I am glad because to have a direct confirmation of trafficking would be too much to bear. But on the other hand, like alot of people, I was hoping for it to be true just so that the kids could be reunited with their families.

For me is kinda like 9/11 all over again when even though you watch the towers fall and you knew no one could survive, you just kept hoping for weeks after that, that they would find some air pocket somewhere and there would be survivors. Just so that some people could have a happy ending. Thats what I was kind of hoping for here. A happy ending for some.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: WestCoast on March 03, 2009, 03:26:19 PM
Is a good thing the report are false.
yes
Thank God
Why is good  ??? It would be a divine blessing to find  we kids ent ? oh is bad cause we will look bad ,I doh get it.
I hoping the report of a container of kids is FALSE
therefore NO Kidnapped kids (for human trafficking) atall atall.
ya unna stan my view now

Understand your view. But at the end of the day it still have missing children and people still holding out hope for them. Just heard from my person at the express, no truth to the rumor whatsoever. So on the one hand I am glad because to have a direct confirmation of trafficking would be too much to bear. But on the other hand, like alot of people, I was hoping for it to be true just so that the kids could be reunited with their families.

For me is kinda like 9/11 all over again when even though you watch the towers fall and you knew no one could survive, you just kept hoping for weeks after that, that they would find some air pocket somewhere and there would be survivors. Just so that some people could have a happy ending. Thats what I was kind of hoping for here. A happy ending for some.
Yes I too want those kids returned but it was that Human Trafficking angle I could not take

has there not been such rumours for a couple months now?
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=41131.msg514302#msg514302
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: elan on March 03, 2009, 03:55:37 PM
Okay I just hear is a container with women COMING IN to T&T for prostitution.  ???
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Organic on March 03, 2009, 04:01:40 PM
That story had every single teacher and individual in my school extremely strssed. especially the parents. since i believe that there is some kinda human trafficking going on in trinidad dont know nah. I would hope some of those 100's of people who dissapeared last yr would be found and all this kinda shit stopped.
other hand couldnt imagine the kinda emotional distress that kids would have to endure in such a situation.

sigh
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Jah Gol on March 03, 2009, 04:08:09 PM
Okay I just hear is a container with women COMING IN to T&T for prostitution.  ???
steups . ???
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: TriniCana on March 03, 2009, 04:19:55 PM
okay so it's 15 mins before dey 6:30 pm news in Trinidad

Is it possible that ah LOCAL could come on dey forum and tell meh what really happening please and thanks ?
Cause this thread on page 3 and up to now, me ain't understand what it is going on. Is either dey find children or not or dey find women or not, either in POS or Chagaramas. Den weary say something about Leah, but ah not sure if she was found or not.

Ah now reach reach back from ah 9 hour conference in no man's land, allyuh doh confuse meh no more nah....


Ah go sid down here wid ah beer in meh hand. I'll read ah couple of emails, decide what ah eating, den come back ein to see.....



thanks eh :(
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Bourbon on March 03, 2009, 05:02:44 PM
okay so it's 15 mins before dey 6:30 pm news in Trinidad

Is it possible that ah LOCAL could come on dey forum and tell meh what really happening please and thanks ?
Cause this thread on page 3 and up to now, me ain't understand what it is going on. Is either dey find children or not or dey find women or not, either in POS or Chagaramas. Den weary say something about Leah, but ah not sure if she was found or not.

Ah now reach reach back from ah 9 hour conference in no man's land, allyuh doh confuse meh no more nah....


Ah go sid down here wid ah beer in meh hand. I'll read ah couple of emails, decide what ah eating, den come back ein to see.....



thanks eh :(

TV6 News said not true.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Saywha on March 03, 2009, 05:10:27 PM
My link in the guardian say they got a call from a port worker but the police have the place on lockdown and not letting any media in, that is why we cah get confirmation either way.

Something up tho...

I wouldn't trust anyone in the Guardian nuh.  Rachel Price was saying one of their reporters fabricated what happened at the Comedy show on Sunday so i would take anything from dem with  a grain a salt, sand and black pepper. :rotfl:
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: TriniCana on March 03, 2009, 05:15:37 PM
okay so it's 15 mins before dey 6:30 pm news in Trinidad

Is it possible that ah LOCAL could come on dey forum and tell meh what really happening please and thanks ?
Cause this thread on page 3 and up to now, me ain't understand what it is going on. Is either dey find children or not or dey find women or not, either in POS or Chagaramas. Den weary say something about Leah, but ah not sure if she was found or not.

Ah now reach reach back from ah 9 hour conference in no man's land, allyuh doh confuse meh no more nah....


Ah go sid down here wid ah beer in meh hand. I'll read ah couple of emails, decide what ah eating, den come back ein to see.....



thanks eh :(

TV6 News said not true.

Thanks Bourbon :beermug:


On ah side note: who here living Montreal ? Ah here and want to do some site seeing before ah duss it from this cole arse place.... 3 places to maco is enough. Ah leaving tomorrow evening.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Saywha on March 03, 2009, 05:17:51 PM
but wit all dem missing people, that container story may not be far-fetched.  where all them missing people disappear to?  dem police need to start doing their wuk and check air and sea for 'alledged human trafficking '24 hours a day.  Sen Martin Joseph to do it since he doh be doing anything when de day come in he orfice
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: WestCoast on March 03, 2009, 06:08:43 PM
On ah side note: who here living Montreal ? Ah here and want to do some site seeing before ah duss it from this cole arse place.... 3 places to maco is enough. Ah leaving tomorrow evening.
this is the only person that I know of (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=106)
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 03, 2009, 06:37:21 PM
so if de container story not true,wuh de pile ah police was doin there.someting had to b goin on.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 03, 2009, 06:46:07 PM
my wife cousin from trini now call and say it true that it was headin to cuba.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: TriniCana on March 03, 2009, 06:59:39 PM
On ah side note: who here living Montreal ? Ah here and want to do some site seeing before ah duss it from this cole arse place.... 3 places to maco is enough. Ah leaving tomorrow evening.
this is the only person that I know of (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=106)

who he ?
look thanks eh, but i'll go get loss....as usual
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: WestCoast on March 03, 2009, 07:00:19 PM
lawd
ah next angle
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: TriniCana on March 03, 2009, 07:03:45 PM
look allyuh make up allyuh mind nah, is eider it have container ah human or not.

TV6 say no, Capo wife cousin friend say yes....

Meh mudda say no, meh bess friend mother say yes.

ah want to sleep man >:(

Dese ah dey times ah miss meh reporter KandiTT Kane :-\
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Dr. Rat on March 03, 2009, 07:12:46 PM
My dad said it false..no kids in any container.  Trinidadians thrive on negativity and bad news.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: PantherX on March 03, 2009, 07:41:09 PM
Not just Trinis my friend.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: just cool on March 03, 2009, 07:42:12 PM
okay so it's 15 mins before dey 6:30 pm news in Trinidad

Is it possible that ah LOCAL could come on dey forum and tell meh what really happening please and thanks ?
Cause this thread on page 3 and up to now, me ain't understand what it is going on. Is either dey find children or not or dey find women or not, either in POS or Chagaramas. Den weary say something about Leah, but ah not sure if she was found or not.

Ah now reach reach back from ah 9 hour conference in no man's land, allyuh doh confuse meh no more nah....


Ah go sid down here wid ah beer in meh hand. I'll read ah couple of emails, decide what ah eating, den come back ein to see.....



thanks eh :(

TV6 News said not true.

Thanks Bourbon :beermug:


On ah side note: who here living Montreal ? Ah here and want to do some site seeing before ah duss it from this cole arse place.... 3 places to maco is enough. Ah leaving tomorrow evening.
Tigress yuh could go down to old montreal, it's really lively down there in the day time with all kinda tings tuh see. plus it have bars and fine dining.

or you could take the train on bluery the stop is called (place of arts) to the caribbean nieghborhood(cote de neige) about 20 mins away on the orange line going towards cote-vetu, get off and plamondon and walk a lttle way on victoria ave, the place is called the curry house.

if yuh not in the mood for curry then go down to st cathrines ave going west towards the flea market you will see a lot of restuarants, it's real cool. if yuh make it out to the curry house  not far from that neighborhood there's aplace called the shrine on queen mary ave.

if not , then maybe the cirque de soliel might be in town, now that's a good thrill.       good luck, bon soir.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 03, 2009, 08:00:02 PM
ah next source tell me it true,from somebody who work on de port.yuh eh know wuh de fuk to believe.she say de guy who they arrest fuh leah talk bout de container,how they drug de chirren.some from south america
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: TdotTrini on March 03, 2009, 08:00:47 PM
On ah side note: who here living Montreal ? Ah here and want to do some site seeing before ah duss it from this cole arse place.... 3 places to maco is enough. Ah leaving tomorrow evening.
this is the only person that I know of (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=106)

who he ?
look thanks eh, but i'll go get loss....as usual

There is a classy bar called Wanda's on the corner of St Catherines and St Denis.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: TriniCana on March 03, 2009, 08:11:13 PM
okay JC and Tdot...thanks much :beermug:


Now what i should have said before is meh exact location which is Delta Centre-Ville which is 'downtown' monteal.
So hopefully those places allyuh call, not too far for me to get real lose eh. I'll google and put dey info on the GPS... thanks again

Capo leave me alone, ah doing and sleep. In the morning i'll pop ein here to here what is dey final verdict.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 03, 2009, 08:14:25 PM
look allyuh make up allyuh mind nah, is eider it have container ah human or not.

TV6 say no, Capo wife cousin friend say yes....

Meh mudda say no, meh bess friend mother say yes.

ah want to sleep man >:(

Dese ah dey times ah miss meh reporter KandiTT Kane :-\
obviuosly yuh wouldnt hear nutten on de news.they eh want to spook nobody.de right authorities reach trini.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: verycute1 on March 03, 2009, 08:19:13 PM
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090303082744AA5JEvB


This thing reach everywhere.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 03, 2009, 08:25:36 PM
when de mark buss allyuh go see.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: WestCoast on March 03, 2009, 08:29:13 PM
who on here livin close to the port
scale de fence an check de scene nuh...steeeuuuppps



 :D
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: weary1969 on March 03, 2009, 08:29:26 PM
so if de container story not true,wuh de pile ah police was doin there.someting had to b goin on.

They was investigating d rumour thus d police.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: weary1969 on March 03, 2009, 08:30:46 PM
My dad said it false..no kids in any container.  Trinidadians thrive on negativity and bad news.

Cosign d part bout negativity and bad news
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 03, 2009, 08:31:31 PM
so if de container story not true,wuh de pile ah police was doin there.someting had to b goin on.

They was investigating d rumour thus d police.
ah rumour wouldnt create so much police,especially in trini.yuh ever had to get de services ah de police back home.wuh them does respond too.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: WestCoast on March 03, 2009, 08:34:37 PM
nobody go report on this as Manning go show up an fire day armen

that is, IF all this about containers and po po is true
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: weary1969 on March 03, 2009, 08:39:38 PM
Well d new twist is d Chaguaramas Port and he aunt a nurse from Mt. Hope say maxi wit chirren was seen. My sources still say it eh true.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 03, 2009, 08:43:10 PM
Well d new twist is d Chaguaramas Port and he aunt a nurse from Mt. Hope say maxi wit chirren was seen. My sources still say it eh true.

and who is de port uncle?
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: weary1969 on March 03, 2009, 08:50:29 PM
Well d new twist is d Chaguaramas Port and he aunt a nurse from Mt. Hope say maxi wit chirren was seen. My sources still say it eh true.

and who is de port uncle?

Port cousin
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Organic on March 03, 2009, 09:29:12 PM
My dad said it false..no kids in any container.  Trinidadians thrive on negativity and bad news.
maybe so...but they also apathethic....most ah de times. if the reaction to bad news spurred real sustained action to rectify the situation would have been good.
but they just mire in it cause ah de love for bacchanal and ole talk sad/sickening.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Queen Macoomeh on March 03, 2009, 10:12:10 PM
My dad said it false..no kids in any container.  Trinidadians thrive on negativity and bad news.
maybe so...but they also apathethic....most ah de times. if the reaction to bad news spurred real sustained action to rectify the situation would have been good.
but they just mire in it cause ah de love for bacchanal and ole talk sad/sickening.

that is such a broad brush to paint when I know there are groups and organizations and simple citizens working tirelessly to slow the skid the nation is in...
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Babalawo on March 03, 2009, 10:46:10 PM
Children in container hoax shuts down port
Published: March 3rd, 2009
 There was a complete shutdown of the Port-of-Spain Port yesterday as rumours spread throughout the country that a container with missing children had been discovered. The airwaves of radio and television stations, along with newspaper newsrooms, were buzzing with activity, as concerned people called about the rumours.

Scores of police officers, together with Customs and Excise and Port Authority police, swooped down on the port in response to radio and television reports, closing all gates and temporarily stopping all business transactions. “It was real chaos,” one businessman told the T&T Guardian...
http://guardian.co.tt/news/general/2009/03/04/children-container-hoax-shuts-down-port
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 03, 2009, 11:09:54 PM
Children in container hoax shuts down port
Published: March 3rd, 2009
 There was a complete shutdown of the Port-of-Spain Port yesterday as rumours spread throughout the country that a container with missing children had been discovered. The airwaves of radio and television stations, along with newspaper newsrooms, were buzzing with activity, as concerned people called about the rumours.

Scores of police officers, together with Customs and Excise and Port Authority police, swooped down on the port in response to radio and television reports, closing all gates and temporarily stopping all business transactions. “It was real chaos,” one businessman told the T&T Guardian...
http://guardian.co.tt/news/general/2009/03/04/children-container-hoax-shuts-down-port
again conflictin reports.radio and tv was buzzin with activity,yet everybody who post here said they heard nutten.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: TriniCana on March 04, 2009, 05:17:31 AM
<looks in and steupse>

morning ah gone ::)
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: TriniCana on March 04, 2009, 05:19:40 AM
Children in container hoax shuts down port
Trinidad Guardian
Published: March 3rd, 2009

There was a complete shutdown of the Port-of-Spain Port yesterday as rumours spread throughout the country that a container with missing children had been discovered. The airwaves of radio and television stations, along with newspaper newsrooms, were buzzing with activity, as concerned people called about the rumours.

Scores of police officers, together with Customs and Excise and Port Authority police, swooped down on the port in response to radio and television reports, closing all gates and temporarily stopping all business transactions. “It was real chaos,” one businessman told the T&T Guardian.

The reports traumatised people, with one woman actually reduced to tears when she said that “her son saw the children and they were in a sad state.” A man said he was working on the port and actually saw the dead bodies in the container. Another woman said the son of a calypsonian saw the children and rushed home in tears. In the end, just as the calls came fast and furious, they disappeared with the same speed. It all started when a radio announcer reported that a container with dead bodies had been found at the city port. Then, a television station announced that it was a container with missing children, and thirdly, a report surfaced that a Cuban vessel with stowaways had been stopped by local authorities.

For hours, the T&T Guardian newsroom was flooded with calls from people from all walks of life, some high in government, and others from newspapers in the region and T&T nationals abroad. Several foreign embassies in Port-of-Spain also called the Guardian about the rumours. The main concern for many was the so-called discovery of the container with the children, which brought to the fore the reports of human trafficking in T&T over the past two years. A number of children went missing and have not been found up to today.

The police heard the rumours and quickly assembled a team which swooped down on the port. There was a report that the container with the children was about to be shipped out of the country. Although the police responded to the report, no one really knew where it came from. Then, all of a sudden, the “discovery” shifted to the Chaguaramas and Point Lisas ports. All the rumours were quickly dispelled when acting Police Commissioner James Philbert got into the act. Philbert, in a media release, said, “After a thorough check of the Port of Port-of-Spain by police officers, Port police and officers of the Customs and Excise Division, the allegations are just rumours.” Philbert also described the rumours, which circulated throughout the country, as “causing much concern among the citizens.”

The chief executive officer at the Port Authority, Christopher Mendez, denied the allegations, saying officials found “absolutely no evidence to support the information.” Mendez said security officials at the port would continue to investigate and monitor the premises in response to the report which he deemed as “very serious.” Several police vehicles with officers from units such as the Homicide Bureau of Investigations, Criminal Intelligence Unit, Guard and Emergency Branch and the Audio Visual Unit arrived at the compound, trying to find out “what was going on,” one policeman said.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Jah Gol on March 04, 2009, 06:41:34 AM
The reports traumatised people, with one woman actually reduced to tears when she said that “her son saw the children and they were in a sad state.” A man said he was working on the port and actually saw the dead bodies in the container. Another woman said the son of a calypsonian saw the children and rushed home in tears. In the end, just as the calls came fast and furious, they disappeared with the same speed. It all started when a radio announcer reported that a container with dead bodies had been found at the city port. Then, a television station announced that it was a container with missing children, and thirdly, a report surfaced that a Cuban vessel with stowaways had been stopped by local authorities.
Is the Guardian withholding the identities of persons who made said reports or were they just made anonymously ? The different media houses that ran with the story did so on rumour alone or were there several reports that constituted enough evidence to go with the story. Local media gets it wrong quite often but it would be the height of irresponsibility if were found that journalistic shortcutting was responsible for this thing turning into wildfire. Those media houses who should try to identify the sources of the reports.   

This is a real sick thing to lie about. The guy who said he saw dead bodies himself should be questioned.I think a dead body if fairly hard to confuse. If any of those 'reporters' especially this guy could come foward now and confirm these things then we have a case. If not, it's a hoax. Interestingly nobody reported otherwise when the dust settled last night.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Organic on March 04, 2009, 07:05:31 AM
My dad said it false..no kids in any container.  Trinidadians thrive on negativity and bad news.
maybe so...but they also apathethic....most ah de times. if the reaction to bad news spurred real sustained action to rectify the situation would have been good.
but they just mire in it cause ah de love for bacchanal and ole talk sad/sickening.

that is such a broad brush to paint when I know there are groups and organizations and simple citizens working tirelessly to slow the skid the nation is in...
of course its a broad bursh. I know there are alot of orgainsations and individuals..i know quite a few. But on a whole as a nation. individuals are outraged etc, but how many usually actually do something? they usually concerned with survivial as they see it, than to worry about things which dont "directly" involve thier daily lives.
who feels it knows it!!
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: elan on March 04, 2009, 11:46:31 AM
My dad said it false..no kids in any container.  Trinidadians thrive on negativity and bad news.
maybe so...but they also apathethic....most ah de times. if the reaction to bad news spurred real sustained action to rectify the situation would have been good.
but they just mire in it cause ah de love for bacchanal and ole talk sad/sickening.

that is such a broad brush to paint when I know there are groups and organizations and simple citizens working tirelessly to slow the skid the nation is in...
of course its a broad bursh. I know there are alot of orgainsations and individuals..i know quite a few. But on a whole as a nation. individuals are outraged etc, but how many usually actually do something? they usually concerned with survivial as they see it, than to worry about things which dont "directly" involve thier daily lives.
who feels it knows it!!

Somtimes when I read post like this I does wonder why people who seeing all doom and gloom still in T&T.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: elan on March 04, 2009, 11:48:12 AM
Children in container hoax shuts down port
Trinidad Guardian
Published: March 3rd, 2009

There was a complete shutdown of the Port-of-Spain Port yesterday as rumours spread throughout the country that a container with missing children had been discovered. The airwaves of radio and television stations, along with newspaper newsrooms, were buzzing with activity, as concerned people called about the rumours.

Scores of police officers, together with Customs and Excise and Port Authority police, swooped down on the port in response to radio and television reports, closing all gates and temporarily stopping all business transactions. “It was real chaos,” one businessman told the T&T Guardian.

The reports traumatised people, with one woman actually reduced to tears when she said that “her son saw the children and they were in a sad state.” A man said he was working on the port and actually saw the dead bodies in the container. Another woman said the son of a calypsonian saw the children and rushed home in tears. In the end, just as the calls came fast and furious, they disappeared with the same speed. It all started when a radio announcer reported that a container with dead bodies had been found at the city port. Then, a television station announced that it was a container with missing children, and thirdly, a report surfaced that a Cuban vessel with stowaways had been stopped by local authorities.

For hours, the T&T Guardian newsroom was flooded with calls from people from all walks of life, some high in government, and others from newspapers in the region and T&T nationals abroad. Several foreign embassies in Port-of-Spain also called the Guardian about the rumours. The main concern for many was the so-called discovery of the container with the children, which brought to the fore the reports of human trafficking in T&T over the past two years. A number of children went missing and have not been found up to today.

The police heard the rumours and quickly assembled a team which swooped down on the port. There was a report that the container with the children was about to be shipped out of the country. Although the police responded to the report, no one really knew where it came from. Then, all of a sudden, the “discovery” shifted to the Chaguaramas and Point Lisas ports. All the rumours were quickly dispelled when acting Police Commissioner James Philbert got into the act. Philbert, in a media release, said, “After a thorough check of the Port of Port-of-Spain by police officers, Port police and officers of the Customs and Excise Division, the allegations are just rumours.” Philbert also described the rumours, which circulated throughout the country, as “causing much concern among the citizens.”

The chief executive officer at the Port Authority, Christopher Mendez, denied the allegations, saying officials found “absolutely no evidence to support the information.” Mendez said security officials at the port would continue to investigate and monitor the premises in response to the report which he deemed as “very serious.” Several police vehicles with officers from units such as the Homicide Bureau of Investigations, Criminal Intelligence Unit, Guard and Emergency Branch and the Audio Visual Unit arrived at the compound, trying to find out “what was going on,” one policeman said.

The Guardian only perpetuating their agenda. They don't care about anyone else. They on a certain course and don't care who or what they hurt as long as they could further their agenda. The Guardian is poor and tasteless. i don't know why anyone still read that thing.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: lefty on March 04, 2009, 03:40:32 PM
The Guardian only perpetuating their agenda. They don't care about anyone else. They on a certain course and don't care who or what they hurt as long as they could further their agenda. The Guardian is poor and tasteless. i don't know why anyone still read that thing.

doh get tie up boss it still have place in trinidad where that is good sources of toilet paper...............remember recycle to save d trees ;)
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: weary1969 on March 04, 2009, 04:05:00 PM
D Guardain gettin on like is not dey tv station dat carry d nonesense. Guardian god 4 sat readin only because dey tv guide betta.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: verycute1 on March 04, 2009, 05:12:52 PM
The express had an article

T&T IN PANIC
Rumours of children in containers sweep country
Renuka Singh

Wednesday, March 4th 2009

   
THOROUGH SEARCH: Port of Spain Divisional Task Force officers leave the Port of Port of Spain yesterday afternoon after investigating a rumour of children found in a container. -Photo: MICHEAL BRUCE

Panic gripped citizens across the country yesterday, as news spread like wildfire after midday reports carried on two television and six radio stations claimed that 75 children were found in a 40-foot container, bound for Cuba, at Shed Four of the Port of Port of Spain on Wrightson Road.

The reports created a media frenzy at the port, which was further fuelled by the appearance of heavy police and Fire Service vehicles on the scene.

But the reports of children being shipped to Cuba remained in the minds of many, and even resulted in frightened parents rushing to take their children out of school.

To quell the insistent reports, the acting Commissioner of Police, James Philbert, issued an immediate statement disputing any reports of children being found in a container on the port. Philbert reassured the citizens that all information carried in the media were unsubstantiated and denied any truth in it.

"After a thorough check of the Port of Port of Spain by police officers, port police and officers of the Customs and Excise Division, the Commissioner confirms that all these allegations are just rumours," a media statement from Philbert's office stated.

National Security Minister Martin Joseph also firmly denied there was any truth to the reports, saying that he didn't know where the talk originated but "no such development occurred".

In a separate media statement, Christopher Mendez, chief executive officer and general manager at the Port Authority of Trinidad and Tobago (PATT), also denied that any children were found in a container on the premises. Mendez said the PATT, in conjunction with the police, carefully and thoroughly investigated the reports.

"So far, we have found absolutely no evidence to support this information," he said.

Mendez added that security personnel will continue to investigate and monitor the port premises because of the severity of the reports.

However, the rumours continued to fuel speculation throughout the country despite the consolatory statements made by both Philbert and Mendez. National Security Minister Joseph has, in the past, assured that there was no evidence to suggest that human trafficking existed in this country.

President of the Estate Police Association Andrew Dardaine said he had spoken with senior officials at the port and confirmed that the reports were indeed false. He added that "something must have triggered" the avalanche of reports that spread so quickly, but was unable to speculate as to what could have happened.

At the port yesterday, head of port security Winston Stewart also dismissed the claims.

"Yes, we have to find the missing children, but they are not here. There is no truth to the rumours."

A doctor at the Wendy Fitzwilliam Paediatric Hospital, at the Eric Williams Medical Sciences Complex, said the institution was put on standby and told to expect a batch of children that may need treatment and counselling, but up to press time, staff were still awaiting their arrival.

Who put them on standby?
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 04, 2009, 06:59:01 PM
Allyuh like real shit..dey eh have no f**king human trafficking in T&T...except for the hoes and dem who coming in for donkey years now...and dat eh really trafficking, dem coming willingly with legs wide open!

secondly it is common sense to put hospital on alert if yuh et reports of chirren trapped in containers!  It is called CISD or critical incident stress debriefing to deal with physical and psochological trauma.  after eartquakes, hurricaes, plane crases etc....the team is assembled.

This jes shows how irresponsible the trashy press is in T&T.  And how trinis like mauvais langue too bad

kill this shit tread
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: verycute1 on March 04, 2009, 08:16:42 PM
Allyuh like real shit..dey eh have no f**king human trafficking in T&T...except for the hoes and dem who coming in for donkey years now...and dat eh really trafficking, dem coming willingly with legs wide open!

secondly it is common sense to put hospital on alert if yuh et reports of chirren trapped in containers!  It is called CISD or critical incident stress debriefing to deal with physical and psochological trauma.  after eartquakes, hurricaes, plane crases etc....the team is assembled.

This jes shows how irresponsible the trashy press is in T&T.  And how trinis like mauvais langue too bad

kill this shit tread

You know what, it was a simple question asked of who made the call to put them on standby. And if you offended by that - apologies. But no need to fly off the handle. Thing might be over but people still have questions. With regards to common sense of hospitals being put on alert, you preaching to the choir, but after all is said and done somebody somewhere made the call.. Just wondering aloud if the hospital reacted to the media reports or if someone higher up called and said be ready. To be honest had a situation like that really occured I would have thought that they would have had a team assembled on-site to deal with immediate effects. Just saying.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: just cool on March 04, 2009, 08:55:56 PM
okay JC and Tdot...thanks much :beermug:


Now what i should have said before is meh exact location which is Delta Centre-Ville which is 'downtown' monteal.
So hopefully those places allyuh call, not too far for me to get real lose eh. I'll google and put dey info on the GPS... thanks again

Capo leave me alone, ah doing and sleep. In the morning i'll pop ein here to here what is dey final verdict.

Hey tigress how yuh made out.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 04, 2009, 09:15:29 PM
Allyuh like real shit..dey eh have no f**king human trafficking in T&T...except for the hoes and dem who coming in for donkey years now...and dat eh really trafficking, dem coming willingly with legs wide open!

secondly it is common sense to put hospital on alert if yuh et reports of chirren trapped in containers!  It is called CISD or critical incident stress debriefing to deal with physical and psochological trauma.  after eartquakes, hurricaes, plane crases etc....the team is assembled.

This jes shows how irresponsible the trashy press is in T&T.  And how trinis like mauvais langue too bad

kill this shit tread

You know what, it was a simple question asked of who made the call to put them on standby. And if you offended by that - apologies. But no need to fly off the handle. Thing might be over but people still have questions. With regards to common sense of hospitals being put on alert, you preaching to the choir, but after all is said and done somebody somewhere made the call.. Just wondering aloud if the hospital reacted to the media reports or if someone higher up called and said be ready. To be honest had a situation like that really occured I would have thought that they would have had a team assembled on-site to deal with immediate effects. Just saying.

Hardly likely they reacted to media reports...we have an Office of Preparedness and Disaster Management.

On site?  Talking about common sense....you don't counsel people at the site you remove them to a safe surroundings..note well I say peole not person..no need to get defensive i was addressing all de posters.

The whole story was so f**king dotish from de  jump, trinis real f**king stupid oui..kidnapping a whole facking container ah chirren....how dey was surviving?  who was feeding dem?  what role cuatoms have in de whole episode STEUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: WestCoast on March 04, 2009, 09:39:42 PM
CUSSBUTT

oh wait
I must be in de wrong thread.............again
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 04, 2009, 09:49:58 PM
CUSSBUTT

oh wait
I must be in de wrong thread.............again

dummy, is cuss bud
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Organic on March 05, 2009, 03:56:23 AM
Allyuh like real shit..dey eh have no f**king human trafficking in T&T...except for the hoes and dem who coming in for donkey years now...and dat eh really trafficking, dem coming willingly with legs wide open!

secondly it is common sense to put hospital on alert if yuh et reports of chirren trapped in containers!  It is called CISD or critical incident stress debriefing to deal with physical and psochological trauma.  after eartquakes, hurricaes, plane crases etc....the team is assembled.

This jes shows how irresponsible the trashy press is in T&T.  And how trinis like mauvais langue too bad

kill this shit tread

You know what, it was a simple question asked of who made the call to put them on standby. And if you offended by that - apologies. But no need to fly off the handle. Thing might be over but people still have questions. With regards to common sense of hospitals being put on alert, you preaching to the choir, but after all is said and done somebody somewhere made the call.. Just wondering aloud if the hospital reacted to the media reports or if someone higher up called and said be ready. To be honest had a situation like that really occured I would have thought that they would have had a team assembled on-site to deal with immediate effects. Just saying.
cute he eh fly of de handle that is just how he does um discuss thing..doh take it..on..... just his way of communicating....loll
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: pecan on March 05, 2009, 06:17:49 AM
Allyuh like real shit..dey eh have no f**king human trafficking in T&T...except for the hoes and dem who coming in for donkey years now...and dat eh really trafficking, dem coming willingly with legs wide open!

secondly it is common sense to put hospital on alert if yuh et reports of chirren trapped in containers!  It is called CISD or critical incident stress debriefing to deal with physical and psochological trauma.  after eartquakes, hurricaes, plane crases etc....the team is assembled.

This jes shows how irresponsible the trashy press is in T&T.  And how trinis like mauvais langue too bad

kill this shit tread

Brimstone and fire ..... Welcome back .. ah was wondering where you was.

Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: dcs on March 05, 2009, 06:37:27 AM

Fertile ground for rumour, panic
 (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_opinion?id=161447366)Thursday, March 5th 2009
Trinidad Express


   

It was bad enough that some fool would decide to start a rumour that 75 children were found in a 40-foot container, bound for Cuba, at Shed Four of the Port of Port of Spain on Wrightson Road. What was worse was the speed with which the rumour spread around the country. But the worst thing of all was the number of people who, even in the wake of official denials, continued to insist that there was some truth in the rumour and that a massive cover-up was underway.

Up to yesterday, a day after the talk started, people were still calling media houses claiming that they had got the "container children" report from what they considered to be authoritative sources and that we had better pay attention because the next thing that would happen would be that even more children would be spirited out of the country, never to be seen again.

To be sure, the loose, even irresponsible, reporting of some arms of the media contributed to the rumour mill but the reason it found fertile ground lay in the real "missing people" reports that surface from time to time, the most galling in recent times being the still-unsolved disappearance of eight-year-old Leah Lammy who went missing on the very first occasion that she was made to take public transport to find her way home.

Put that in the context of the varying reports that have been put out about the number of people actually gone missing in Trinidad and Tobago over the last few years and the extreme panic reaction to the container story becomes understandable if not exactly excusable, taking children out of schools akin to parental behaviour in the face of a hostile invasion from Mars.

What all this shows up is the view that too many citizens now have of Trinidad and Tobago as a place where just about anything is possible with things falling apart and the centre certainly not holding.

We have asserted before that this is a country that lives on the edge of its nervous energy and whose citizens are losing trust in just about all of the institutions, leaving one to wonder just when it is going to become a case of every man for himself and the devil take the hindmost.


With respect to the instant matter, though, those of us who happen to be in leadership positions - in and out of government - are duty-bound to take note of Tuesday's mad hatters' "bawl" and what it may mean to those agents provocateurs among us who are always on the lookout for ways and means to further destabilise this land of ever-mounting anxieties.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: dcs on March 05, 2009, 06:41:08 AM
That article sums it up for me.
It wasn't the media that perpetuate this within T&T...this was word of mouth and people were getting their info from people in higher places.  So if those in authority and all thought it possible who is the man on the street and the reporter.
The media was too loose but they didn't manufacture this rumour locally and their part in spreading it was not as much as the public.  People were saying I heard this from so so so at xyz office.

The fact that even up to TODAY there are still people with doubt tells you it is not the media reports that holding this up.  The story was ridiculous but people was expecting it to be an exaggeration and was waiting to hear what small amount of truth in had in it.

The fact that all segments of the country thought this was a possibility says how they feel deep down about our situation....at least worse case fears.  Anybody who say they happy with any progress we making lie.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Jah Gol on March 05, 2009, 08:03:28 AM
That article sums it up for me.
It wasn't the media that perpetuate this within T&T...this was word of mouth and people were getting their info from people in higher places.  So if those in authority and all thought it possible who is the man on the street and the reporter.
The media was too loose but they didn't manufacture this rumour locally and their part in spreading it was not as much as the public.  People were saying I heard this from so so so at xyz office.

The fact that even up to TODAY there are still people with doubt tells you it is not the media reports that holding this up.  The story was ridiculous but people was expecting it to be an exaggeration and was waiting to hear what small amount of truth in had in it.

The fact that all segments of the country thought this was a possibility says how they feel deep down about our situation....at least worse case fears.  Anybody who say they happy with any progress we making lie.
That is the way I felt about it .I think people were alarmed by recent suggestions made by The Missing Persons Association et al that Trafficking in Persons (TIP) was taking place. While the group had no evidence beyond the fact that a number of persons were unaccounted for, people considered the possibility nonetheless. The rumour lent credence,however briefly, to that theory of human trafficking.

I am relieved that this mischievous rumour has quashed but that does not preclude the fact that the situation is bad. Persons operating in the nefarious underworld know as well law-abiding citizens that our security institutions are impotent. It appears that loopholes have become gaping chasms. We are so open and vulnerable. 



Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Organic on March 05, 2009, 11:07:35 AM
That article sums it up for me.
It wasn't the media that perpetuate this within T&T...this was word of mouth and people were getting their info from people in higher places.  So if those in authority and all thought it possible who is the man on the street and the reporter.
The media was too loose but they didn't manufacture this rumour locally and their part in spreading it was not as much as the public.  People were saying I heard this from so so so at xyz office.

The fact that even up to TODAY there are still people with doubt tells you it is not the media reports that holding this up.  The story was ridiculous but people was expecting it to be an exaggeration and was waiting to hear what small amount of truth in had in it.

The fact that all segments of the country thought this was a possibility says how they feel deep down about our situation....at least worse case fears.  Anybody who say they happy with any progress we making lie.
That is the way I felt about it .I think people were alarmed by recent suggestions made by The Missing Persons Association et al that Trafficking in Persons (TIP) was taking place. While the group had no evidence beyond the fact that a number of persons were unaccounted for, people considered the possibility nonetheless. The rumour lent credence,however briefly, to that theory of human trafficking.

I am relieved that this mischievous rumour has quashed but that does not preclude the fact that the situation is bad. Persons operating in the nefarious underworld know as well law-abiding citizens that our security institutions are impotent. It appears that loopholes have become gaping chasms. We are so open and vulnerable. 




Ditto
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 05, 2009, 12:14:53 PM
That article sums it up for me.
It wasn't the media that perpetuate this within T&T...this was word of mouth and people were getting their info from people in higher places.  So if those in authority and all thought it possible who is the man on the street and the reporter.
The media was too loose but they didn't manufacture this rumour locally and their part in spreading it was not as much as the public.  People were saying I heard this from so so so at xyz office.

The fact that even up to TODAY there are still people with doubt tells you it is not the media reports that holding this up.  The story was ridiculous but people was expecting it to be an exaggeration and was waiting to hear what small amount of truth in had in it.

The fact that all segments of the country thought this was a possibility says how they feel deep down about our situation....at least worse case fears.  Anybody who say they happy with any progress we making lie.

Bullshit!

The media did more than any word of mouth to spread the shit talk!  If they were responsible they would have spoken to the police etc and get confirmation before blurting rumours out on the airwaves!  People hear that and begin to feel that it is true.  Word of mouth is one thing but NO WAY IN HELL that spread so far and wide without media coverage!

You are grasping at anything to make this government look worse and the situation at home as desperate.  The fact is there is NO f**kING evidence of trafficking in T&T thus far, that too is spread by word of mouth by agents of doom and gloom to further disparage the government of T&T!

Which people in high places spread this rumour?  In the opposition high places?  PLEASE TELL ME!  The police, customs and Port Police acted responsibly by deploying forces to investigate the reports....UNFOUNDED reports PERPETUATED by the MEDIA!

There is always rumour and ole talk circulating T&T, fear mongers and those with axe to grind, come out they holes of depravity to create bobol and hysteria because they know how society feels about crimes against children!

People expected the reports to be mere exaggerations?  Steups, maybe people like you who reflexively despise the GORTT! 

I challenge you and anyone else to present one iota of evidence that human trafficking takes place in T&T.....one f**king instance is all I asking for!   Yes whores are brought in, but as I said they coming with eyes and legs wide open...and mouths too, if Capo is to be believed!

Look at the press in T&T, one time we had big disagreement over a woman's so-called crime expose with CEPEP, she was talking shit, yet you sided with her.  This recent episode illustrates how poor the media in T&T really are.

I faster believe in GOD than the T&T press!
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 05, 2009, 12:23:05 PM
people missing in nations all over the world, the police in T&T need re-training, that's true, but sometimes they come in for some unjustified stick.  they did a good job with Leah's case, a man is in custody, and they seem to be making headway.


The public is largely to blame for MOST things wrong with T&T...from littering to road deaths to kidnapping to murders.  The nation's attitude needs adjusting....from top to bottom and from bottom to top.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 05, 2009, 12:29:42 PM
de tnt media is ah shame.TT,them hoes and them ha to eat too.so i does try to help out.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: weary1969 on March 05, 2009, 12:30:18 PM
D express miss d boat. D press d electronic media by their stupidity confirmed d rumour. It was so ridiculous but cnc3, ietv and God knows who else reported it. So d press is ridiculous then.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 05, 2009, 12:31:55 PM
D express miss d boat. D press d electronic media by their stupidity confirmed d rumour. It was so ridiculous but cnc3, ietv and God knows who else reported it. So d press is ridiculous then.

If yuh listen to some here, the media only play ah small part, is word ah mouth that started from higher ups...whatever dat mean.

De damn media eh have no shame
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 05, 2009, 12:32:33 PM
de tnt media is ah shame.TT,them hoes and them ha to eat too.so i does try to help out.

what yuh feeding dem Capo?
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 05, 2009, 12:35:09 PM
de tnt media is ah shame.TT,them hoes and them ha to eat too.so i does try to help out.

what yuh feeding dem Capo?
mostly banana and ah couple puteegal
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Queen Macoomeh on March 05, 2009, 12:55:44 PM
de tnt media is ah shame.TT,them hoes and them ha to eat too.so i does try to help out.

what yuh feeding dem Capo?
mostly banana and ah couple puteegal

*starts to cry with laughter*

nah, yuh ketch me dis time...
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 05, 2009, 01:01:46 PM
de tnt media is ah shame.TT,them hoes and them ha to eat too.so i does try to help out.

what yuh feeding dem Capo?
mostly banana and ah couple puteegal

*starts to cry with laughter*

nah, yuh ketch me dis time...


he really mean seekeyea fig and two series eh
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Queen Macoomeh on March 05, 2009, 01:04:12 PM
either way, ah get ketch.. :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 05, 2009, 01:13:15 PM
de tnt media is ah shame.TT,them hoes and them ha to eat too.so i does try to help out.

what yuh feeding dem Capo?
mostly banana and ah couple puteegal

*starts to cry with laughter*

nah, yuh ketch me dis time...


he really mean seekeyea fig and two series eh
like yuh peep meh. ;D
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: elan on March 05, 2009, 02:44:11 PM
people missing in nations all over the world, the police in T&T need re-training, that's true, but sometimes they come in for some unjustified stick.  they did a good job with Leah's case, a man is in custody, and they seem to be making headway.


The public is largely to blame for MOST things wrong with T&T...from littering to road deaths to kidnapping to murders.  The nation's attitude needs adjusting....from top to bottom and from bottom to top.


That article sums it up for me.
It wasn't the media that perpetuate this within T&T...this was word of mouth and people were getting their info from people in higher places.  So if those in authority and all thought it possible who is the man on the street and the reporter.
The media was too loose but they didn't manufacture this rumour locally and their part in spreading it was not as much as the public.  People were saying I heard this from so so so at xyz office.

The fact that even up to TODAY there are still people with doubt tells you it is not the media reports that holding this up.  The story was ridiculous but people was expecting it to be an exaggeration and was waiting to hear what small amount of truth in had in it.

The fact that all segments of the country thought this was a possibility says how they feel deep down about our situation....at least worse case fears.  Anybody who say they happy with any progress we making lie.

Bullshit!

The media did more than any word of mouth to spread the shit talk!  If they were responsible they would have spoken to the police etc and get confirmation before blurting rumours out on the airwaves!  People hear that and begin to feel that it is true.  Word of mouth is one thing but NO WAY IN HELL that spread so far and wide without media coverage!

You are grasping at anything to make this government look worse and the situation at home as desperate.  The fact is there is NO f**kING evidence of trafficking in T&T thus far, that too is spread by word of mouth by agents of doom and gloom to further disparage the government of T&T!

Which people in high places spread this rumour?  In the opposition high places?  PLEASE TELL ME!  The police, customs and Port Police acted responsibly by deploying forces to investigate the reports....UNFOUNDED reports PERPETUATED by the MEDIA!

There is always rumour and ole talk circulating T&T, fear mongers and those with axe to grind, come out they holes of depravity to create bobol and hysteria because they know how society feels about crimes against children!

People expected the reports to be mere exaggerations?  Steups, maybe people like you who reflexively despise the GORTT! 

I challenge you and anyone else to present one iota of evidence that human trafficking takes place in T&T.....one f**king instance is all I asking for!   Yes whores are brought in, but as I said they coming with eyes and legs wide open...and mouths too, if Capo is to be believed!

Look at the press in T&T, one time we had big disagreement over a woman's so-called crime expose with CEPEP, she was talking shit, yet you sided with her.  This recent episode illustrates how poor the media in T&T really are.

I faster believe in GOD than the T&T press!

Whenever we meet beers on me. Thank you brudda, thank you.   :applause: :applause: :applause:
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Jah Gol on March 05, 2009, 03:55:36 PM
I agree with dcs that the society has such a negative view of things that we would react somewhat credulously to early reports, if even in part. 

I don't agree that the media didn't perpetuated the rumour. Certainly they did not devise it but it was they who let it spread like wildfire. Obviously a radio or television station will reach more people than word of mouth. Unconfirmed ,unsubstantiated reports which have national and  international implications were released to to the public. It demonstrates the level of professionalism and reliability of some sectors of the local media.

Usually when outragous reports such as this arise there is at a fraction of truth to the story. To this point nobody has come foward to verify having seen people in a container. Until and unless people could come out and say that, all we have a blatant and mischievous act of mass deception.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 05, 2009, 06:45:14 PM
what new Jah Gol?  Is T&T we dealing with..all de crime all de negativity all de so-called fear..how come Carnival was bigger than ever?
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Dr. Rat on March 05, 2009, 08:02:46 PM
Again, all yuh in Trinidad like to jump on ever band wagon.

Start taking responsibility for yourselves and stop living like is a f**kin carnival everyday.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: zuluwarrior on March 05, 2009, 09:52:52 PM
Breds some ah  alyuh eh  relize how much people hurting and would like to see their family or friend like me not even knowing LEAH LAMMY been following this story from day1 and when i hear that she was in the container i feel so good to know that she was found but only to find out that it was jus trinbago  drama me heart was hurting for the mother because i know she hear the trinbago bull shit too .   
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: weary1969 on March 05, 2009, 10:04:14 PM
D peeps who strt d rumour sick because dey obviously eh study Leah mudder.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: weary1969 on March 05, 2009, 10:08:32 PM
Telecom body launches probe into children in container hoax
Published: March 5th, 2009
The Telecommunications Authority (Tatt) has launched a comprehensive investigation into Monday’s unsubstantiated media reports of the discovery of a container at the Port of Port-of-Spain with children in it. The authority, in a release yesterday, said the probe is to determine “if and to what extent” the reporting of the “false and misleading information” by several media houses “may have been as a result of a failure to take reasonable steps to verify the accuracy of the information prior to transmission.”

Tatt said it was also considering whether the actions of the media houses may have been acts of public mischief by the radio and television stations involved. The authority said it would take all steps within the ambit of the law “to ensure that any improper conduct by those involved is dealt with.” It said such actions would be prevented from happening again. The authority stressed it would take seriously any improper conduct in the reporting of news. It also advised all broadcasters of their obligations to the public as contained in their concessions and licences.

Tatt said broadcasters must ensure their reporting was responsible and adhered to the highest standards of journalism, particularly as it related to issues of high public importance. It said the issue highlighted the need for the “urgent promulgation of the (broadcast) code.” This, it said, would allow the authority “to more effectively regulate the broadcasting sector.” Acting CoP James Philbert and the Port Authority have said the reports were false.

Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: zuluwarrior on March 05, 2009, 10:23:42 PM
Weary yuh know wah the head of the all the meadi dept that allow this misleading information to get out into the public should be made to resign because that shows they the head of the radio or /tv stations  is not responsible enough for the job they are being paid to do .jus emagin how the familys feel when they heard this story only to hear that it is not true .
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 06, 2009, 04:54:37 AM
is not de media fault..is de people higher up who spread the rumour....right DCS?

I feel with everything in me dat is either de UNC or COP who start dat shit talk, and since DCS know it start by people higher up (whatever dat mean) I go take license and spread ole talk


IS de f**king COP who start dat talk...leh we see how far dis rumour go spread...!

Anyone with contacts in de Express?
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 06, 2009, 05:38:19 AM
Check, double check rumours

By SEAN DOUGLAS Friday, March 6 2009
click on pic to zoom in
FEISTY DISCUSSION: CNN political director and vice-president, Sam Feist....


CNN political director and vice president, Sam Feist, said the false rumours about children in a shipping container on Tuesday showed the need for radio and television stations to check and double check such claims before reporting them as factual.

Feist yesterday addressed students at the University of the West Indies (UWI), St Augustine, on the role of the internet in the 2008 US Presidential Elections in the topic, “The impact of (ICT) technology on political campaigning.”

He recalled his initial scepticism when he himself had heard the rumours broadcast on Tuesday. “Critically I’m thinking ‘This can’t be true’. I heard no evidence”. He said all that was being broadcast was second-hand and third-hand reports and hearsay.

Feist advised the communication-studies students, “Wait until you go to a source of information before you believe a rumour.”

He recalled similar false rumours arising in the campaign of the recent US presidential election which he noted largely arose in the new media of the Internet including blogs, but which were eventually debunked by the traditional or old media.

He said he took a decision for CNN not to report an untrue rumour that other media houses were broadcasting which falsely claimed that Obama was a Muslim who had once attended a madrasa Islamic-fundamentalist school in Indonesia.

“Blogs can be an important indicator of something but news organisations that have the resources to go out and check are very important, especially in a democracy.”

He said CNN requires two separate and direct sources of information for every story they report. “Democracy is entirely dependent on the citizenry accessing trusted information.”

The children-in-a-container rumour, he said, was a textbook example of what could go wrong with media reporting. “Don’t report information that you don’t know to be true. Journalists hold a very special position in any democracy,” Feist elaborated in a question session.

While admitting CNN was not perfect, he said reporters should have certain guidelines. “It is important to have standards, ask tough questions and have reliable sources.” Asked about a career in journalism, Feist effused, “I can’t believe I’m paid to do this.” He said journalism was a mission and a calling. “It’s essential to the functioning of a democracy. Without a free and democratic press, there’s no democracy. Journalists provide a check on politicians.”
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: dcs on March 06, 2009, 07:47:56 AM
is not de media fault..is de people higher up who spread the rumour....right DCS?

I feel with everything in me dat is either de UNC or COP who start dat shit talk, and since DCS know it start by people higher up (whatever dat mean) I go take license and spread ole talk


IS de f**king COP who start dat talk...leh we see how far dis rumour go spread...!

Anyone with contacts in de Express?

 :rotfl:
I didn't expect u to agree.  I know I minimizing the role the media play it in but I didn't mean to say it was people higher up who spread it.  I just showing how everybody buy it hook line and sinker.  I didn't hear anything in the media....MSN, Facebook, email, here, text messages...a lot of people these days during work hours have access to these things before radio and tv.  I sure more people in front a computer during work hours rather than listening to the radio.

I also don't really pay attention to the human trafficking story until there is some more evidence....just like that ole talk about syrians and the drug running (where de evidence....down the islands?   :devil:)

Blame the media all you like about their standards but if all that changed and their standards raised it sure as hell not going to make people feel any more secure.  Before things got this bad...and it bad whoever u talk to apparently other than people who living away who on a political scene...yeah before it was this bad the rumour woulda still spread same way but the fear would not have been as much.

Allyuh really want to say is fear mongers and not the actual situation that have people tense?  MAN PLEASE.  Nobody listens to the opposition and the COP has no voice so gone from here with that dotish talk.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: pass(10trini) on March 06, 2009, 08:22:12 AM
IF there was Human Trafficking going on in T&T it would have already come to the surface years ago. From since I a lil boy growing up children been missing and not one to this day have come around to say anything. They would be big man now older than me. Stop fooling alyuhself. What they need to investigate is why they never able to find these victims because the majority of their lives were most likely ended, right there in T&T. There is a section of society in Trinidad that does sacrificing(take someone's life) for financial gain and it seems like they are never found. I will not elaborate any further on this. Let them who have ears for it hear the message.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Jah Gol on March 06, 2009, 08:41:50 AM

He recalled his initial scepticism when he himself had heard the rumours broadcast on Tuesday. “Critically I’m thinking ‘This can’t be true’. I heard no evidence”. He said all that was being broadcast was second-hand and third-hand reports and hearsay.

This is exactly the point I'm making. Up to last night I heard second hand reports that the story was true because port workers saw children with shaven heads. Workers' cellphones were subsequently seized.   

My belief is that in this age of technology its extremely difficult for the Government to orchestrate such a flawless cover up. Without anybody  including the port workers, police/military personnel, or medical personnel or any other person who may have had direct contact with said children, coming forward to confirm the report, all we have is hearsay.   

Interestingly no media house is reporting otherwise now. CCN and the Guardian wouldn't miss an opportunity to make the Government look bad. This kind of thing is easy for them to investigate. 
 
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Bourbon on March 06, 2009, 09:50:38 AM
And now an email making de rounds.



:
 

Quote
Good morning to all citizens of TRINIDAD and TOBAGO !

 

the children that were found on the PORT is not a HOAX!

i'm a nurse i work in both MOUNT HOPE and PORT OF SPAIN GENERAL HOSPITAL, and i dealt with the children yesterday and this morning..... the childrens heads are cleanly shaven and they have bruises and scares all over their bodies!

 

and the GOVERNMENT and POLICE SERVICES is letting CIVILIAN people bring them in because they do not want the PUBLIC to know the truth.

they do not want it to reach out the UNITED STATES of AMERICA because of the SUMMIT that we are hosting in APRIL...and it will look VERY VERY VERY BAD on our behalf... WONT IT!!!!!!!!!!!
so PLEASE keep a hold on your children and be very careful because our sweet sweet T&T is FOLLOWING everything that we see on television an everything that AMERICA is DOING!!!!!!!!!
so its not a hoax!
PLEASE FORWARD this to everyone that you know for the sake of keeping our children SAFE and the government uncovered.....
Sean Stephney
Engineer
Estimating Dept.
 

Nurse that works both Mount Hope and Port of Spain......Yet the email signature is From an engineer in the estimating department. The last set of email addresses i saw were from illuminat.....and not even the name in the signature.

Steups.

Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Queen Macoomeh on March 06, 2009, 10:00:25 AM
Almost as bad as the situation itself are those who enjoy exacerbating it. ???
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 06, 2009, 10:39:01 AM
is DCS and he no voice party behind de whole ting.

since de COP cyar stand up they decide tuh spread rumor and innuendo.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: dcs on March 06, 2009, 11:10:23 AM
is DCS and he no voice party behind de whole ting.

since de COP cyar stand up they decide tuh spread rumor and innuendo.

yea look emails still making rounds but u want to blame the media. steupse. is not the media and them political parties don't have that kinda influence with the people to have them still doubting if this thing is true...u giving them way too much credit.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: verycute1 on March 06, 2009, 11:38:35 AM
OK so the question is, at the end of the day, regardless of the fact that we now know (or think we know) that the story is false, at the end of the day -
1. Could you see something like this happening in t&T?
Better yet,
2. Could you believe that the government could take steps to silence a story like this Because pretty soon the eyes of the world will be on us when Obama visits?
3.Can you understand why people might question the presence of traffickers in T&T because of the number of missing persons each year? I can answer honestly and I not afraid to say it no matter who want to cuss me that

1. Yes i could see it happening. I see all kinda thing happen in trinidad before. When I was young we had a coup. Never thought before it happen, never thought such a thing was possible, but after that, well, perspectives change. never thought you could see the types of crimes or the amount of kidnappings taking place in T&T but they happening. When I was younger, a girl went missing somewhere down palo seco. My mom was one of her teachers. They find her body sometime after well brutalized with tree branches shoved up the you know where. Until that happen, I never thought such a thing could take place. But times change and criminal elements do too. Ent we have a post on this board about some crazy man well rape his mom? You read crap like that, it ent so hard to believe anything could take place. Anybody remember the hijacked plane donkey years ago landed in piarco? The canadian couple get chop up on the beach? She was pregnant, after that I think they suspected they might have been mules. Or what about the crazy white man who strip nekked and run down the runway at piarco and get suck into a propeller? Or that poor lady who the police escort to her house because she had an order of protection against the husband, and the man come in and lock the burglar proofing gates and chop off her head? Popo couldnt do a thing about it, they was locked outside. I remeber that one because the BOMB ran the picture of the head in the street on the front page and my mom didnt want to buy it for me to read. The point is, if you stop and think about what has happened or what type of crimes you see commited by people, it not too hard to believe that the worse is yet to come or probably has happened already.

2. Yes I can believe that if such a thing took place, the government might want to quietly cover it up. It happens everywhere inthe world, governments silencing private citizens or institutions. Would we have really known about some of the abuses at the detainee camps if some people didnt take pictures of the prisoners with their heads covered, stripped naked.? It happens every where, why not in trinidad? Ent we reach where we going? Can you imagine conversation between the heads of state if such a thing had happened and were made public -

Obama - Mr. Prime Minister, Mr. Manning, what are you going to do about this situation, these kids that were found in the container? How are you gonna deal with this modern day slave trade?
Manning - Mr. President you were misinformed. They was playing hide and seek


3. While human trafficking may or may not exist in T&T, and I ent taking side one way or another, I am saying that it not so far a stretch for me to believe it could be there, people go missing every day all over the world. People get murdered all over the world. But last year there were more people murdered in T&T than in NYC. And I am sure if I check, don't have the figures in front of me right now, we might have had more missing people in T&T than in NYC. Why I am using NYC as a point of reference? Easy, more people more cultures, easier for someone to vanish and never be found. You expect the figures to be larger in NYC but sadly they are not. More police presence in NY yes, but still for a place as small as T&T we shouldnt have had more murders or missings than a large city in the USA. It doesnt look good for us, for our protective services for anybody.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: elan on March 06, 2009, 03:04:39 PM
OK so the question is, at the end of the day, regardless of the fact that we now know (or think we know) that the story is false, at the end of the day -
1. Could you see something like this happening in t&T?
Better yet,
2. Could you believe that the government could take steps to silence a story like this Because pretty soon the eyes of the world will be on us when Obama visits?
3.Can you understand why people might question the presence of traffickers in T&T because of the number of missing persons each year? I can answer honestly and I not afraid to say it no matter who want to cuss me that

1. Yes i could see it happening. I see all kinda thing happen in trinidad before. When I was young we had a coup. Never thought before it happen, never thought such a thing was possible, but after that, well, perspectives change. never thought you could see the types of crimes or the amount of kidnappings taking place in T&T but they happening. When I was younger, a girl went missing somewhere down palo seco. My mom was one of her teachers. They find her body sometime after well brutalized with tree branches shoved up the you know where. Until that happen, I never thought such a thing could take place. But times change and criminal elements do too. Ent we have a post on this board about some crazy man well rape his mom? You read crap like that, it ent so hard to believe anything could take place. Anybody remember the hijacked plane donkey years ago landed in piarco? The canadian couple get chop up on the beach? She was pregnant, after that I think they suspected they might have been mules. Or what about the crazy white man who strip nekked and run down the runway at piarco and get suck into a propeller? Or that poor lady who the police escort to her house because she had an order of protection against the husband, and the man come in and lock the burglar proofing gates and chop off her head? Popo couldnt do a thing about it, they was locked outside. I remeber that one because the BOMB ran the picture of the head in the street on the front page and my mom didnt want to buy it for me to read. The point is, if you stop and think about what has happened or what type of crimes you see commited by people, it not too hard to believe that the worse is yet to come or probably has happened already.

2. Yes I can believe that if such a thing took place, the government might want to quietly cover it up. It happens everywhere inthe world, governments silencing private citizens or institutions. Would we have really known about some of the abuses at the detainee camps if some people didnt take pictures of the prisoners with their heads covered, stripped naked.? It happens every where, why not in trinidad? Ent we reach where we going? Can you imagine conversation between the heads of state if such a thing had happened and were made public -

Obama - Mr. Prime Minister, Mr. Manning, what are you going to do about this situation, these kids that were found in the container? How are you gonna deal with this modern day slave trade?
Manning - Mr. President you were misinformed. They was playing hide and seek


3. While human trafficking may or may not exist in T&T, and I ent taking side one way or another, I am saying that it not so far a stretch for me to believe it could be there, people go missing every day all over the world. People get murdered all over the world. But last year there were more people murdered in T&T than in NYC. And I am sure if I check, don't have the figures in front of me right now, we might have had more missing people in T&T than in NYC. Why I am using NYC as a point of reference? Easy, more people more cultures, easier for someone to vanish and never be found. You expect the figures to be larger in NYC but sadly they are not. More police presence in NY yes, but still for a place as small as T&T we shouldnt have had more murders or missings than a large city in the USA. It doesnt look good for us, for our protective services for anybody.


They find the girl from Brooklyn who went Miami and was never seen again?

Any police get discipline for the Trini fell they shoot in Brooklyn who had a hair brush in his hand?

We could do this all day.

Couple years years ago I took some US kids to T&T and they had a ball. I took them all over, even on the look out and round the savannah like after 10 at night. We did all kind of crazy stuff.
Last year Carnival TV6 or whatever they are now interviewed some foreigner who come for Carnival and ask them if they feel safe? They replied that they did, they explained they just walked from up by the savannah and people were friendly giving directions and they have seen a lot of police officers. That just like anywhere else in the world you have to be careful and understand that anything could happen at anytime.

Contrast with, I have some friends form the siuth in the states and invited them to Brooklyn/NYC and they told me they would not go there for nothing. This is their country and they would not travel to NYC, go figure.

I think we need to take a lesson in patriotism, common sense and understanding from this lady.

http://www.youtube.com/v/t3sRBFl1x_U
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: weary1969 on March 06, 2009, 08:36:34 PM
Well said Elan
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 06, 2009, 10:29:31 PM
I really eh want to confuse YOU with facts eh, but where YOU getting YOUR stats about missing people in T&T?

Trinidad had 608 people reported missing in 2008.........And.............................................................................

Of the six hundred and eight (608) persons reported missing for the year 2008, five hundred and seventy three (573) or 94.2% of them were accounted for, while thirty-five (35) cases remain outstanding
OK so the question is, at the end of the day, regardless of the fact that we now know (or think we know) that the story is false, at the end of the day -
1. Could you see something like this happening in t&T?
Better yet,

NO!
2. Could you believe that the government could take steps to silence a story like this Because pretty soon the eyes of the world will be on us when Obama visits?

WHY? AND MORE IMPORTANTLY.....HOW?

3.Can you understand why people might question the presence of traffickers in T&T because of the number of missing persons each year? I can answer honestly and I not afraid to say it no matter who want to cuss me that

1. Yes i could see it happening. I see all kinda thing happen in trinidad before. When I was young we had a coup. Never thought before it happen, never thought such a thing was possible, but after that, well, perspectives change. never thought you could see the types of crimes or the amount of kidnappings taking place in T&T but they happening. When I was younger, a girl went missing somewhere down palo seco. My mom was one of her teachers. They find her body sometime after well brutalized with tree branches shoved up the you know where. Until that happen, I never thought such a thing could take place. But times change and criminal elements do too. Ent we have a post on this board about some crazy man well rape his mom? You read crap like that, it ent so hard to believe anything could take place. Anybody remember the hijacked plane donkey years ago landed in piarco? The canadian couple get chop up on the beach? She was pregnant, after that I think they suspected they might have been mules. Or what about the crazy white man who strip nekked and run down the runway at piarco and get suck into a propeller? Or that poor lady who the police escort to her house because she had an order of protection against the husband, and the man come in and lock the burglar proofing gates and chop off her head? Popo couldnt do a thing about it, they was locked outside. I remeber that one because the BOMB ran the picture of the head in the street on the front page and my mom didnt want to buy it for me to read. The point is, if you stop and think about what has happened or what type of crimes you see commited by people, it not too hard to believe that the worse is yet to come or probably has happened already.

Anything can happen, look at this post you jes make!  steups..ANYTHING can happen! And your point is?  So a man killed a woman, and some tourists were murdered, and a hijacked plane was forced to land in T&T to refuel does that somehow say that children were kidnapped and were about to be exported?  Come on! Shit like dat happens all the time in other places, what makes T&T exempt?

2. Yes I can believe that if such a thing took place, the government might want to quietly cover it up. It happens everywhere inthe world, governments silencing private citizens or institutions. Would we have really known about some of the abuses at the detainee camps if some people didnt take pictures of the prisoners with their heads covered, stripped naked.? It happens every where, why not in trinidad? Ent we reach where we going? Can you imagine conversation between the heads of state if such a thing had happened and were made public -
Why would the government want to cover children discovered in a container up for?  Child sex slaves and human trafficking occurs RIGHT HERE IN THE US!

Obama - Mr. Prime Minister, Mr. Manning, what are you going to do about this situation, these kids that were found in the container? How are you gonna deal with this modern day slave trade?
Manning - Mr. President you were misinformed. They was playing hide and seek

Barack take care of all dem crack hoes in de US and all dem dutty street hookers and while yuh at it, what about de fact dat in de US The U.S. Department of Justice reports

    * 797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.
    * 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.
    * 58,200 children were the victims of non-family abductions.
    * 115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. (These crimes involve someone the child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.)
eh-eh is jes so yuh trying to make commess or wha Barack, careful I eh deport yuh mehrasmee ass


3. While human trafficking may or may not exist in T&T, and I ent taking side one way or another, I am saying that it not so far a stretch for me to believe it could be there, people go missing every day all over the world. People get murdered all over the world. But last year there were more people murdered in T&T than in NYC. And I am sure if I check, don't have the figures in front of me right now, we might have had more missing people in T&T than in NYC. Why I am using NYC as a point of reference? Easy, more people more cultures, easier for someone to vanish and never be found. You expect the figures to be larger in NYC but sadly they are not. More police presence in NY yes, but still for a place as small as T&T we shouldnt have had more murders or missings than a large city in the USA. It doesnt look good for us, for our protective services for anybody.

Over 21,000 Children Go Missing in New York State Annually...so doh talk thru yuh backside!  There were 494 murders in the Big Apple in 2007 - 102 fewer than in 2006. and it was not too long ago that they had as many as 2000+ in a year...so the thing may be on a decline dey but doh make it look like we is sicker dan dem!    U.S. Department of Justice Releases New Trafficking Statistics

According to the stats released in January of this year, over 1,200 alleged incidents of human trafficking were reported in the U.S. over the 21-month period from January 2007-September 2008. The recent stats released by the U.S. Department of Justice paint a bleak picture for young women and girls:
• 83% of all alleged reported trafficking incidents involved sex trafficking, and one third, or 32%, of the total involved the sex trafficking of children. 71% of sex trafficking victims were under age 25.
• Over 90% of the victims, overall, were female. Hispanics are particularly hard hit: Hispanic victims constituted 37% of all sex trafficking victims and 56% of labor trafficking victims.
• It’s also clear that sex trafficking is a local problem. The stats show that U.S. citizens accounted for 63%, or a clear majority, of sex trafficking victims.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 06, 2009, 10:39:10 PM
Of the six hundred and eight (608) persons reported missing for the year 2008, five hundred and seventy three (573) or 94.2% of them were accounted for, while thirty-five (35) cases remain outstanding


Police no longer required to wait 24 hours in missing persons report
18 February, 2009 08:04:00
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Minister of National Security, Senator the Hon. Martin Joseph
Minister of National Security, Senator the Hon. Martin Joseph

In 2006, the Police Service amended its definition of “missing person” by removing the 24-hour waiting period that was previously required to elapse before the Police could classify a person as “missing”.

Written Response of the Honourable Minister of National Security to Senate Question No. 18 of the Second Session (2009) Of the Ninth Parliament on February 10 2009


QUESTION:

“(A) Could the Minister provide this Senate with:

(i) a list of the steps taken by Police and the Immigration authorities to locate persons reported missing for the year 2008; and

(ii) a detailed list of missing persons for the year 2008;

(B) Could the Minister state whether any investigations have been conducted by the Police Service into allegations of human trafficking in Trinidad and Tobago?”


RESPONSE:

(A) (i) In recognition of the immense trauma and anxiety suffered by persons whose loved ones go missing, the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service has implemented a number of administrative and operational initiatives, aimed at enhancing the entire process from reporting to investigation and resolution. Among the more critical initiatives introduced are the amendment of the definition of a “missing person” and the institution of specific procedures for receiving and closing a report.

In 2006, the Police Service amended its definition of “missing person” by removing the 24-hour waiting period that was previously required to elapse before the Police could classify a person as “missing”. This amendment essentially allowed for more immediate action by the Police, thereby increasing the potential for more successful outcomes. Currently, therefore, a “missing person” is defined as “a person who has not been seen or heard from and who has been reported missing by a person interested in or responsible for that other person’s welfare, notwithstanding the time that the person has not been seen or heard from or expected to have been seen or heard from”.

The Police Service has also mandated that the Anti Kidnapping Unit (AKU) become involved at the start of the investigation into a missing person report and developed specific procedures that must be followed by all Officers receiving a report. These are outlined at the Attachment.

Further, all Divisions are mandated to continue investigations into missing persons and keep updated, the status of all reports of missing persons. Statistical data must be continuously reviewed to ensure that a proper count of the number of reports is maintained, with reports classified based on the circumstances surrounding the report and location of the missing person. Comprehensive profiles are also compiled on the missing persons, with a view to having their names and photographs published in the print and electronic media, as and when necessary.

In addition to its internal mechanisms, the Police Service also collaborates with a number of strategic partners in their investigations. These include the Immigration Division, the Elections and Boundaries Commission, Telecommunications Services of Trinidad and Tobago, the Trinidad and Tobago Electricity Commission, the Water and Sewerage Authority, Board of Inland Revenue, the National Insurance Board, the Trinidad and Tobago Prison Service and Health Institutions.

In the case of the Immigration Division in particular, while that Division does not directly receive reports of missing persons, it plays a key role in monitoring the movement of persons and provides critical information to the Police Service, through its Integrated Border Management System (IBMS), in ascertaining whether such persons have travelled out of the country. If there is no evidence of travel at the point of time of the inquiry, an alert is sent to Immigration Officers at all ports of entry to monitor departures, with a view to locating the person (s) in question.

When a “missing person” is located, there is also a set procedure that the Police Service follows, which includes interviewing the person and recording a statement and ensuring that the administrative records are updated and the updated information is forwarded to all relevant departments. It should be noted that a “missing person” report can be cancelled/closed only on the written instructions of a First Division Officer in cases where:

a) The person has been located and a criminal offence is disclosed
b) The person is located and no criminal offence is disclosed.

(ii) The TTPS has advised that it would be inappropriate to disclose the identities of all missing persons as there are certain cases that are sensitive. However, provided in the table hereunder are the details of the age and sex of missing persons for the year 2008:


MISSING PERSONS FOR THE YEAR 2008 BY AGE GROUP AND SEX

Sex            Age Group:0-12         13-25        26-38          39-59        60 & over     TOTAL

Male                           16              95            59               55               20             245
Female                       25             280           32               16                10            363
TOTAL                        41             375            91               71               30            608

Of the six hundred and eight (608) persons reported missing for the year 2008, five hundred and seventy three (573) or 94.2% of them were accounted for, while thirty-five (35) cases remain outstanding.

(B) With respect to the issue of human trafficking or trafficking in persons, reports from the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service and the Immigration Division indicate that there is no evidence available to suggest that persons are being trafficked out of the country. However, there have been cases where the Immigration Division has had cause to conduct investigations on persons being trafficked into the country, based on information obtained from anonymous sources, as well as reports made by other Governments.

In all cases where persons, based on the circumstances, are determined to be victims of human trafficking, such persons are placed in ‘safe houses’ and a travel document is obtained through their respective Government representative, to facilitate their return home. Upon receipt of the travel documents, the Immigration Division ensures their safe departure to their homeland.

Given the increasing global and national attention to the issue, the Immigration Division has taken steps to ensure that the Organization and its members are adequately equipped to treat with the issue, by undertaking the following initiatives:

• Sensitization of Immigration Officers to human trafficking and smuggling, as part of their Induction training, as well as an introduction to basic techniques of victim identification, investigative interviewing, profiling, impostor detection and fraudulent document identification. Manuals prepared by the International Organization for Migration (IOM) outlining procedures for combating human trafficking and smuggling are also utilized by both Immigration authorities and the TTPS.

• The conduct of joint exercises with agencies including TTPS, the Special Anti Crime Unit of Trinidad and Tobago (SAUTT), the International Criminal Police Organisation (Interpol) and the Trinidad and Tobago Defence Force, among others.

• The conduct of several training exercises aimed at creating an awareness of the pertinent issues and equipping officers with the requisite knowledge and tools to assist and guide them in the identification and treatment of matters relative to human trafficking. Exercises have been conducted by the Immigration Division in partnership with the IOM, SAUTT, US Customs and Border Control and Interpol. Topics included:

o Migration Management
o International Migration Law
o Investigative Interviewing and Intelligence Gathering
o Combating the Trans-national Crime of Human Trafficking and Smuggling
o Trafficking in Persons
o Victim Identification and Interviewing Techniques

The Immigration Division has also developed a relationship with Colombian authorities with a view to facilitating the safe and secure repatriation of Colombian nationals identified as victims of human trafficking in Trinidad and Tobago. This arrangement occurred as a result of a 2007 exercise in which seventy-two (72) Colombian nationals were detained for being in the country illegally.

Honourable Senators are assured that both the TTPS and the Immigration Division view missing persons and human trafficking as very serious issues, and have committed to utilizing all available resources to dealing with them. The Chief Immigration Officer has indicated that the use of the Advance Passenger Information System (APIS), in particular, would increase the Immigration Division’s capacity to detect such crimes and the full implementation of its Exit Control System at all ports of entry would better enable the authorities to fight these phenomena.”

 

Attachment

The Procedure adopted by the Police Service in processing a “Missing Person” Report (Authority SO No. 51)
a) Record the report on the Incident/Crime Report Forms and Station Diary which should include:

• Name and address of the person making the report
• Name, address and description of the missing person
• A description of the clothes the missing person was wearing when last seen
• When and where the missing person was last seen
• Places or relatives frequently visited by the missing person

b) Obtain a photograph of the missing person where practicable.

c) Inform the Second Division Officer (SDO) in charge of the Station, the SDO in charge of CID Office, the Officer in Charge of the Anti Kidnapping Unit (AKU) and the Homicide Bureau of Investigations.

d) Transmit the description of the missing person to the SDO in charge of Police Control for circulation throughout the Service.

e) Appointment of an investigator by the SDO in charge of the respective Station, CID and A.K.U, who would be responsible for:

• Ensuring that the administrative records are properly filled out and that the information is circulated throughout the Police Service and forwarded to the relevant departments.

f) The Officer in charge of the Criminal Records Office (CRO) shall submit to the Assistant Commissioner of Police responsible for Crime, a photograph, description and pertinent information of any missing person, which he thinks should be circulated through the news media.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: fishs on March 07, 2009, 02:11:26 AM

  The problem in Trinidad is as always implementation and an attitude of not taking personal responsibility.

 I have a friend of sorts who is a 25 yr police vet. In discussion he told me if he working and get a call about domestic violence he not going on it . His words were " let them kill one another , normally when yuh go is some drunk scene they on."
So I ask him if is not his duty to go regardless. He say is "my duty to relax mihself after 25 yrs."
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 07, 2009, 09:58:40 AM

  The problem in Trinidad is as always implementation and an attitude of not taking personal responsibility.

 I have a friend of sorts who is a 25 yr police vet. In discussion he told me if he working and get a call about domestic violence he not going on it . His words were " let them kill one another , normally when yuh go is some drunk scene they on."
So I ask him if is not his duty to go regardless. He say is "my duty to relax mihself after 25 yrs."

Now this is a real synopsis of what is going on in T&T at all levels of Government and to a lesser extent the private industries.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: zuluwarrior on March 07, 2009, 11:08:49 AM
Now this is a real synopsis of what is going on in T&T at all levels of Government and to a lesser extent the private industries.
Posted on: Today at 02:11:26 AMPosted by: fishs 




Yuh see the other day in discussion i said if the minister of national security would do his job the commisioner
of police would do the same and it would trickle dowd to the sgt ,cpl ,constables yuh say ah talkin shit now did you jus mis spoken deey crosesssor or i doh understand the english language .
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: WestCoast on March 07, 2009, 11:12:06 AM

  The problem in Trinidad is as always implementation and an attitude of not taking personal responsibility.

 I have a friend of sorts who is a 25 yr police vet. In discussion he told me if he working and get a call about domestic violence he not going on it . His words were " let them kill one another , normally when yuh go is some drunk scene they on."
So I ask him if is not his duty to go regardless. He say is "my duty to relax mihself after 25 yrs."
so that fella superior doh follow up on calls and what was done?
as Zulu sayin, it starts from the TOP
if the superiors ent doin nothing, the men in the field ent doin nothing
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: verycute1 on March 07, 2009, 12:43:47 PM
GOod lord calm youself down and go have a drink or something. You missing the point or you twisting it. I said exactly the same thing you yelling which is that if it happening there it could happen here. I never said t&T exempt from anything. Better yet, agree to disagree. You have an opinion, I have an opinion. And they different. I just not going to roll around with an rage and insult people because they have a different point of view than mine. I respect your opinion, I don't agree with it and in the end that's all she wrote.


(You too Elan, understand your point don't agree with it. But at least you were polite in your expressions :) )
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: capodetutticapi on March 07, 2009, 12:49:45 PM
in other words it eh fall in them yard they eh pickin it up.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: Queen Macoomeh on March 07, 2009, 01:44:52 PM
GOod lord calm youself down and go have a drink or something. You missing the point or you twisting it. I said exactly the same thing you yelling which is that if it happening there it could happen here. I never said t&T exempt from anything. Better yet, agree to disagree. You have an opinion, I have an opinion. And they different. I just not going to roll around with an rage and insult people because they have a different point of view than mine. I respect your opinion, I don't agree with it and in the end that's all she wrote.


(You too Elan, understand your point don't agree with it. But at least you were polite in your expressions :) )

VC yuh have to strap on yuh boof-proof brassiere when yuh come awf de porch!
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: verycute1 on March 07, 2009, 02:01:27 PM
GOod lord calm youself down and go have a drink or something. You missing the point or you twisting it. I said exactly the same thing you yelling which is that if it happening there it could happen here. I never said t&T exempt from anything. Better yet, agree to disagree. You have an opinion, I have an opinion. And they different. I just not going to roll around with an rage and insult people because they have a different point of view than mine. I respect your opinion, I don't agree with it and in the end that's all she wrote.


(You too Elan, understand your point don't agree with it. But at least you were polite in your expressions :) )

VC yuh have to strap on yuh boof-proof brassiere when yuh come awf de porch!


an a iron girdle too!
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: mukumsplau on March 07, 2009, 05:12:23 PM
mih moms does giv math lessons..one ah she students(who is ah introvert in d class) tell she tuhday in confidence dat las week saturday as he was goin home it had a coast gaurd officer in d taxi who get a phone call an was overheard speaking of children in a container intercepted..now d same yute is a cadet an a couple hours later he get a phone call sayin dat training cancelled for that day because rel dramas was goin on down chaguaramas side..now d officerr in d car began to tell all d passengers in d car d scene cuz he probably felt that it makin d news anyway yuh take it..d yute look out for it on d news saturday and nutten..sunday nutten...it only break as a 'rumour' wen d week start...

i hearin stories from all sides and d interesting thing is that there is consistency in those that were related by peoples who have direct family links in d army and coast gaurd...if only ah was still wukkin in National Security Head Office ah coulda get d rel juice

but d situation very depressin...especially since d odder day on Cleaver Road Arima a car corner a little girl a rastaman jump out an bawl 'We get one'...but she had d presence of mind to run way at d same time annodda driver pull up wen he see wat was goin on..den again at Arima Girls RC a tinted double cabin hilux pull up an a man come out single out a girl behind d gate an tryin to coax her in d backseat by sayin he hav somtin in there for her...

is rel ting goin on here dis place need rel prayers...even from u truetrini
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: fishs on March 07, 2009, 05:15:37 PM

  The problem in Trinidad is as always implementation and an attitude of not taking personal responsibility.

 I have a friend of sorts who is a 25 yr police vet. In discussion he told me if he working and get a call about domestic violence he not going on it . His words were " let them kill one another , normally when yuh go is some drunk scene they on."
So I ask him if is not his duty to go regardless. He say is "my duty to relax mihself after 25 yrs."
so that fella superior doh follow up on calls and what was done?
as Zulu sayin, it starts from the TOP
if the superiors ent doin nothing, the men in the field ent doin nothing

Lol WC yuh real foreignise now fella.

The 2 biggest monsters in TT are the criminals and the public service.
One is just fellas with no humanity and the other is a dinosaur.
You know what it take to discipline a public servant ?
It better to leave them alone and let them retire.
The laws governing the public service go back longer than when TT had believe in god.
When all the politicians talking bout constitution reform is really reform of over 100,000 people and a lil sauce like unlimited power for themselves.
Until we have a system that allows immediate action that could be taken against slackers without fear or favor then things will just get worse.
The NAR had the best opportunity to do it but the passion to expose PNM corruption , power hungry fools and the lil recession give them an excuse not to do the right thing.

Canada blowing yuh mind bro , this is TT where the work week does begin on a Tuesday and end on a Wednesday
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 07, 2009, 06:16:56 PM
Now this is a real synopsis of what is going on in T&T at all levels of Government and to a lesser extent the private industries.
Posted on: Today at 02:11:26 AMPosted by: fishs 




Yuh see the other day in discussion i said if the minister of national security would do his job the commisioner
of police would do the same and it would trickle dowd to the sgt ,cpl ,constables yuh say ah talkin shit now did you jus mis spoken deey crosesssor or i doh understand the english language .

is like yuh really cyar understand english or yuh delibrately missing de point.

The Minister cannot make the CoP do his job, he can replace him, but he is bound by many laws etc.  so he is in effect powerless unless we..as in WE the people decide enough is enough.

The goodly Minister is trying his best, new laws, new equipment, new training, one ting he cyar do....change what inside people hearts and minds.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: WestCoast on March 07, 2009, 06:30:52 PM

  The problem in Trinidad is as always implementation and an attitude of not taking personal responsibility.

 I have a friend of sorts who is a 25 yr police vet. In discussion he told me if he working and get a call about domestic violence he not going on it . His words were " let them kill one another , normally when yuh go is some drunk scene they on."
So I ask him if is not his duty to go regardless. He say is "my duty to relax mihself after 25 yrs."
so that fella superior doh follow up on calls and what was done?
as Zulu sayin, it starts from the TOP
if the superiors ent doin nothing, the men in the field ent doin nothing

Lol WC yuh real foreignise now fella.

The 2 biggest monsters in TT are the criminals and the public service.
One is just fellas with no humanity and the other is a dinosaur.
You know what it take to discipline a public servant ?
It better to leave them alone and let them retire.
The laws governing the public service go back longer than when TT had believe in god.
When all the politicians talking bout constitution reform is really reform of over 100,000 people and a lil sauce like unlimited power for themselves.
Until we have a system that allows immediate action that could be taken against slackers without fear or favor then things will just get worse.
The NAR had the best opportunity to do it but the passion to expose PNM corruption , power hungry fools and the lil recession give them an excuse not to do the right thing.

Canada blowing yuh mind bro , this is TT where the work week does begin on a Tuesday and end on a Wednesday

yeah I am a hopeless romantic to Hope that is how things can be
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: just cool on March 07, 2009, 06:51:18 PM
Now this is a real synopsis of what is going on in T&T at all levels of Government and to a lesser extent the private industries.
Posted on: Today at 02:11:26 AMPosted by: fishs 




Yuh see the other day in discussion i said if the minister of national security would do his job the commisioner
of police would do the same and it would trickle dowd to the sgt ,cpl ,constables yuh say ah talkin shit now did you jus mis spoken deey crosesssor  or i doh understand the english language .

is like yuh really cyar understand english or yuh delibrately missing de point.

The Minister cannot make the CoP do his job, he can replace him, but he is bound by many laws etc.  so he is in effect powerless unless we..as in WE the people decide enough is enough.

The goodly Minister is trying his best, new laws, new equipment, new training, one ting he cyar do....change what inside people hearts and minds.
TT i didn't know yuh joined the J edgar hover club! :devil: sneaking out under the cover of darkness with chiffon stockings and smelling sweet like chanell #1 ! :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 07, 2009, 07:19:09 PM
Now this is a real synopsis of what is going on in T&T at all levels of Government and to a lesser extent the private industries.
Posted on: Today at 02:11:26 AMPosted by: fishs 




Yuh see the other day in discussion i said if the minister of national security would do his job the commisioner
of police would do the same and it would trickle dowd to the sgt ,cpl ,constables yuh say ah talkin shit now did you jus mis spoken deey crosesssor  or i doh understand the english language .

is like yuh really cyar understand english or yuh delibrately missing de point.

The Minister cannot make the CoP do his job, he can replace him, but he is bound by many laws etc.  so he is in effect powerless unless we..as in WE the people decide enough is enough.

The goodly Minister is trying his best, new laws, new equipment, new training, one ting he cyar do....change what inside people hearts and minds.
TT i didn't know yuh joined the J edgar hover club! :devil: sneaking out under the cover of darkness with chiffon stockings and smelling sweet like chanell #1 ! :devil: :devil:

how yuh didn't know that?  i was right next to you in de club las night. ent you had on de black bra?
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: WestCoast on March 07, 2009, 07:20:26 PM
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
allya win yes
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: weary1969 on March 07, 2009, 08:50:46 PM
mih moms does giv math lessons..one ah she students(who is ah introvert in d class) tell she tuhday in confidence dat las week saturday as he was goin home it had a coast gaurd officer in d taxi who get a phone call an was overheard speaking of children in a container intercepted..now d same yute is a cadet an a couple hours later he get a phone call sayin dat training cancelled for that day because rel dramas was goin on down chaguaramas side..now d officerr in d car began to tell all d passengers in d car d scene cuz he probably felt that it makin d news anyway yuh take it..d yute look out for it on d news saturday and nutten..sunday nutten...it only break as a 'rumour' wen d week start...

i hearin stories from all sides and d interesting thing is that there is consistency in those that were related by peoples who have direct family links in d army and coast gaurd...if only ah was still wukkin in National Security Head Office ah coulda get d rel juice

but d situation very depressin...especially since d odder day on Cleaver Road Arima a car corner a little girl a rastaman jump out an bawl 'We get one'...but she had d presence of mind to run way at d same time annodda driver pull up wen he see wat was goin on..den again at Arima Girls RC a tinted double cabin hilux pull up an a man come out single out a girl behind d gate an tryin to coax her in d backseat by sayin he hav somtin in there for her...

is rel ting goin on here dis place need rel prayers...even from u truetrini


D rumour was strted by dem defence force peeps.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: dcs on March 09, 2009, 10:20:15 AM


Telecomms authority rush to judgment
 (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_opinion?id=161448945)Terrence Farrell
Trinidad Express
Sunday, March 8th 2009



   
The Telecommunications Authority issued a media release on March 5th 2009 two days after the widespread rumours concerning children in a container at the port. The Authority expressed its 'dismay' with the reporting by 'certain radio and television broadcasters' which misled the 'entire nation' and contributed to the "shutdown of essential services to the public in Trinidad and Tobago, misuse of the security services and loss of revenue" and "may have involved public mischief on the part of the broadcasting stations involved".

There are several questions TATT must answer for the public and for the broadcasters it is 'hastening' to regulate.

1. How was this matter brought to the attention of the Authority? Was there a complaint by members of the public, or the government, or some institution of civil society in respect of the media reports on the day? [We know now that at least the Government lodged a complaint with TATT].

2. Did TATT have reason to believe that the broadcasters started the rumours on the matter? In other words, did the rumours originate at any of the nation's broadcasters?

3. If the answer to this is 'No', did any broadcaster, having received an unconfirmed report or rumour, immediately generate a newscast suggesting that the rumours were factual?

4. If the Police Service was called into action, was it in response to media broadcasts or in response to reports made directly to the Police Service? In other words, did the Police act on information that it received from persons other than the media?

5. If the Port was shut down, was it in response to media broadcasts or was it at the request of the Police or other security services?

6. What essential services -water, electricity, airports, natural gas-were impacted (shut down) as a result of media broadcasts? Who lost revenue and how much?

7. Did broadcasters make contact with the Police Service prior to the issuance of their broadcasts? Did the Police inform the media that the reports or rumours were under investigation?

8. Did the broadcasters make contact with the Port prior to the issuance of their broadcasts? Did the Port inform the media that the reports or rumours were under investigation?

9. What were the contents of the broadcasts made on radio and television? Did the newscasts represent that the 'rumours' were true or did the news indicate that the security services and Port were investigating reports which had come to them on the matter?

10. What specifically in the reports was 'false and misleading'?

TATT continues to mislead itself about the so-called 'accuracy' of news. Is a news report 'inaccurate' if the report is that a matter is under investigation by the Police or security services and it subsequently turns out that the matter was non-existent or a hoax?

All of the questions above, and more, should have been the subject of careful review, analysis and discussion at the Authority using tapes and transcripts of the newscasts in question and interviews with the broadcasters, a process that with a prudent and responsible regulator, would take days if not weeks. Even if the Authority had the answers to those questions, it would have needed to consider whether it should issue a release as it did, with a claim that an issue which it acknowledges it had not yet investigated highlights the "urgent need for promulgation of the Code". So, did the Board of the Authority convene and agree to issue the media release, or was this done at the instance of the management alone? Was the line minister consulted?

We are frankly appalled by TATT's rush to judgment, its hyperbole, and its thinly veiled threats to broadcasters in its media release. TATT wants to hasten to bring the Draft Broadcasting Code to Parliament. This media house commented at length on both versions of the Draft Code (see www.onecaribbeanmedia.net). This episode will only lend credence to the view that (1) the Authority will not act prudently and independently but will respond to pressures and agendas intent on restricting freedom of expression in our society; (2) it does not understand its role as a broadcasting regulator and seems to see itself as some kind of 'national editor' for the entire media industry, and (3) it does not have the wisdom, patience and scrupulous attention to due process that is required of a regulator of editorial content matters which impinge on our constitutional rights to freedom of expression and freedom of the press.

Let us be clear. We hold no brief for irresponsible journalism wherever it is to be found. It may well have been that 'certain radio and television broadcasters' erred badly on Tuesday last (our stations were definitely not among them). But a responsible regulator must investigate thoroughly, consult widely, and then apply the rules and the sanctions it is charged with applying. TATT did none of that. Instead it rushed to judgment and rushed to print with its media release.

We have no doubt that TATT will quickly deposit its very flawed Draft Code into the eager arms of certain parliamentarians who will then proceed to ramajay on the media, perhaps using this case as an 'example' of why the media needs to be controlled and otherwise brought to heel. It is not beyond Parliament to pass patently flawed legislation, though the Draft Code will certainly need a special majority. We wait to see just how Third World and backward we will be with this matter, and whether Parliament will blithely place the management of critical constitutional rights in the hands of the woefully inexperienced regulators at TATT.

(Dr Farrell is the CEO of One Caribbean Media (OCM) of which the Express is a unit).

( Martin Daly is travelling and was unable to submit his column. He

returns next week)
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: dcs on March 09, 2009, 10:20:57 AM

Now that is a strong response.  Speak up TATT...lewwe hear the answers.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: weary1969 on March 09, 2009, 12:43:52 PM
Let dem pay 4 their stupidity
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: TriniCana on March 22, 2009, 04:00:38 PM
hmmm hmmm  >:(
ah bringing this back up....

these days because of the summit dey country quiet. but the 'rumors' spreading like jesus and dey 2 fish and 7 loaves ah bread.

latest talk, me ain't know if it's rumor/ole talk/fact or what, but latest is the children they found shaved are held up in some house in mt hope. is not 75 ah dem as dey say, more like 25. fishermen in cedros saying this happening years now, that they 'always' seeing boat taking out children and young people from the country.

my question to that is.....nobody dial 911 ?

anyhoo, how it have big big names in this 'human traffiking' that is why, nobody in the high places wanna talk.

now doh gimme no lip, ah giving allyuh how ah getting it.
whether ya believe it or not, me ain't give ah shit. ah juss saying that like Karen and she bank accounts, dis one ain't getting sweep under dey carpet juss so.

Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: verycute1 on March 22, 2009, 04:45:07 PM
hmmm hmmm  >:(
ah bringing this back up....

these days because of the summit dey country quiet. but the 'rumors' spreading like jesus and dey 2 fish and 7 loaves ah bread.

latest talk, me ain't know if it's rumor/ole talk/fact or what, but latest is the children they found shaved are held up in some house in mt hope. is not 75 ah dem as dey say, more like 25. fishermen in cedros saying this happening years now, that they 'always' seeing boat taking out children and young people from the country.

my question to that is.....nobody dial 911 ?

anyhoo, how it have big big names in this 'human traffiking' that is why, nobody in the high places wanna talk.

now doh gimme no lip, ah giving allyuh how ah getting it.
whether ya believe it or not, me ain't give ah shit. ah juss saying that like Karen and she bank accounts, dis one ain't getting sweep under dey carpet juss so.



My take on something like that is alot of people dont trust the popo and other "enforcement" officials. SO if something like that were happening, alot of people would look the other way for fear of what might happen to them if they open their mouth.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 22, 2009, 04:54:01 PM
hmmm hmmm  >:(
ah bringing this back up....

these days because of the summit dey country quiet. but the 'rumors' spreading like jesus and dey 2 fish and 7 loaves ah bread.

latest talk, me ain't know if it's rumor/ole talk/fact or what, but latest is the children they found shaved are held up in some house in mt hope. is not 75 ah dem as dey say, more like 25. fishermen in cedros saying this happening years now, that they 'always' seeing boat taking out children and young people from the country.

my question to that is.....nobody dial 911 ?

anyhoo, how it have big big names in this 'human traffiking' that is why, nobody in the high places wanna talk.

now doh gimme no lip, ah giving allyuh how ah getting it.
whether ya believe it or not, me ain't give ah shit. ah juss saying that like Karen and she bank accounts, dis one ain't getting sweep under dey carpet juss so.



My take on something like that is alot of people dont trust the popo and other "enforcement" officials. SO if something like that were happening, alot of people would look the other way for fear of what might happen to them if they open their mouth.

It is a wonder that we have any children left in T&T today1

my goodness.

Of the six hundred and eight (608) persons reported missing for the year 2008, five hundred and seventy three (573) or 94.2% of them were accounted for, while thirty-five (35) cases remain outstanding.

Dispute these FACTS!
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: verycute1 on March 22, 2009, 05:01:38 PM
hmmm hmmm  >:(
ah bringing this back up....

these days because of the summit dey country quiet. but the 'rumors' spreading like jesus and dey 2 fish and 7 loaves ah bread.

latest talk, me ain't know if it's rumor/ole talk/fact or what, but latest is the children they found shaved are held up in some house in mt hope. is not 75 ah dem as dey say, more like 25. fishermen in cedros saying this happening years now, that they 'always' seeing boat taking out children and young people from the country.

my question to that is.....nobody dial 911 ?

anyhoo, how it have big big names in this 'human traffiking' that is why, nobody in the high places wanna talk.

now doh gimme no lip, ah giving allyuh how ah getting it.
whether ya believe it or not, me ain't give ah shit. ah juss saying that like Karen and she bank accounts, dis one ain't getting sweep under dey carpet juss so.



My take on something like that is alot of people dont trust the popo and other "enforcement" officials. SO if something like that were happening, alot of people would look the other way for fear of what might happen to them if they open their mouth.

It is a wonder that we have any children left in T&T today1

my goodness.

Of the six hundred and eight (608) persons reported missing for the year 2008, five hundred and seventy three (573) or 94.2% of them were accounted for, while thirty-five (35) cases remain outstanding.

Dispute these FACTS!

Good lord loosen your girdle! She post something, I respond and like you looking for a fight one time? Nobody say we talking bout facts, she specifically say is the latest talk, nobody asking you to believe it. Nobody trying to debate you. Calm down and go take a valium or something.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 22, 2009, 05:05:21 PM
stop posting shit then!  I am not looking for a fight,

Why wuld someone turn they face to people tiefing chirren, when yuh could make phone calls without yuh name and even blocking yuh number?  Steups.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: TriniCana on March 22, 2009, 05:59:57 PM
I don't know. I on the fence with this. Those people who said they SAW the children ie the port workers the nurses....where them today ? Were they fired for spreading the rumors or they still working. What about the first set of reporters who rushed down to the port with their cameras rolling. If they took snaps and visual recording...where dem or it ? 

What have me scratching meh head is not ONE port worker saw it....it was several that said so.
Everybody and dey fadda have a cellphone that does take snaps. Nobody had enough common sense to take something ? And if they did, were their cell phones taken away by the police ???  Were people threatened ???

Again I on the fence and to me the more you hear people talking, is the more believable it sounds. Again, I not home to know, I just going by hearsay.





Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: TriniCana on March 22, 2009, 06:02:45 PM
stop posting shit then!  I am not looking for a fight,

Why wuld someone turn they face to people tiefing chirren, when yuh could make phone calls without yuh name and even blocking yuh number?  Steups.


I guess the same way you can turn your face while someone is being murdered, or robbed or beat down.
Fair for your life........ :-\

dunno nah steupse, I wont leave nothing pass the authorities in TnT. Its just too much talk happening.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: elan on March 22, 2009, 06:40:03 PM
I don't know. I on the fence with this. Those people who said they SAW the children ie the port workers the nurses....where them today ? Were they fired for spreading the rumors or they still working. What about the first set of reporters who rushed down to the port with their cameras rolling. If they took snaps and visual recording...where dem or it ? 

What have me scratching meh head is not ONE port worker saw it....it was several that said so.
Everybody and dey fadda have a cellphone that does take snaps. Nobody had enough common sense to take something ? And if they did, were their cell phones taken away by the police ???  Were people threatened ???

Again I on the fence and to me the more you hear people talking, is the more believable it sounds. Again, I not home to know, I just going by hearsay.








Meh fadda in law does work right on the port (Maritime) and he said it had nothing of the sort (actually he said it in more colorful terms).
Also I have a friend who is a customs officer attached to shed 6 (I believe) and she said it was all rumors.

I mean this cover up is area 51 cover up level we talking about here.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: WestCoast on March 22, 2009, 06:41:37 PM
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Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: TriniCana on March 22, 2009, 06:43:11 PM
I don't know. I on the fence with this. Those people who said they SAW the children ie the port workers the nurses....where them today ? Were they fired for spreading the rumors or they still working. What about the first set of reporters who rushed down to the port with their cameras rolling. If they took snaps and visual recording...where dem or it ? 

What have me scratching meh head is not ONE port worker saw it....it was several that said so.
Everybody and dey fadda have a cellphone that does take snaps. Nobody had enough common sense to take something ? And if they did, were their cell phones taken away by the police ???  Were people threatened ???

Again I on the fence and to me the more you hear people talking, is the more believable it sounds. Again, I not home to know, I just going by hearsay.








Meh fadda in law does work right on the port (Maritime) and he said it had nothing of the sort (actually he said it in more colorful terms).
Also I have a friend who is a customs officer attached to shed 6 (I believe) and she said it was all rumors.

I mean this cover up is area 51 cover up level we talking about here.

But elan, dry so somebody get up ah morning and say lemme cause some ruction today, and see how fast it could make it's rounds around the country ?
Nah I ain't saying your family lie eh, is juss too much feedback boy....
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: TriniCana on March 22, 2009, 06:43:50 PM
Sombody Called
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huh???
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: dcs on March 22, 2009, 06:45:14 PM
Of the six hundred and eight (608) persons reported missing for the year 2008, five hundred and seventy three (573) or 94.2% of them were accounted for, while thirty-five (35) cases remain outstanding.

Dispute these FACTS!

So 25 of them held up in Mt Hope...now is just 10 left unaccounted for!!!   :devil:
This is our modern day Lagabless and Dwen stories alyuh eh recognize.

Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: truetrini on March 22, 2009, 09:45:33 PM
de rest in Couva.
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: just cool on March 23, 2009, 03:09:00 AM
hmmm hmmm  >:(
ah bringing this back up....

these days because of the summit dey country quiet. but the 'rumors' spreading like jesus and dey 2 fish and 7 loaves ah bread.

latest talk, me ain't know if it's rumor/ole talk/fact or what, but latest is the children they found shaved are held up in some house in mt hope. is not 75 ah dem as dey say, more like 25. fishermen in cedros saying this happening years now, that they 'always' seeing boat taking out children and young people from the country.

my question to that is.....nobody dial 911 ?

anyhoo, how it have big big names in this 'human traffiking' that is why, nobody in the high places wanna talk.

now doh gimme no lip, ah giving allyuh how ah getting it.
whether ya believe it or not, me ain't give ah shit. ah juss saying that like Karen and she bank accounts, dis one ain't getting sweep under dey carpet juss so.



My take on something like that is alot of people dont trust the popo and other "enforcement" officials. SO if something like that were happening, alot of people would look the other way for fear of what might happen to them if they open their mouth.

It is a wonder that we have any children left in T&T today1

my goodness.

Of the six hundred and eight (608) persons reported missing for the year 2008, five hundred and seventy three (573) or 94.2% of them were accounted for, while thirty-five (35) cases remain outstanding.

Dispute these FACTS!

Good lord loosen your girdle! She post something, I respond and like you looking for a fight one time? Nobody say we talking bout facts, she specifically say is the latest talk, nobody asking you to believe it. Nobody trying to debate you. Calm down and go take a valium or something.
How yuh go say the big man does wear a g....e! like ah little birdie does visit yuh from time tuh time or what! :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: Developing Story - Container of children found
Post by: dinho on March 29, 2009, 07:35:52 PM
Running with the rumours

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161458618 (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161458618)

Darryl Heeralal Investigative Desk dheeralal@trinidadexpress.com

Sunday, March 29th 2009

   
PEOPLE are panicked, the country is on edge and any crime story, no matter how fantastic-sounding, is believable.

There are still those who hold as true rumours of children found in a container; that a child was abducted at Trincity Mall and her head shaved by her kidnappers before police found her; and the latest rumour that missing schoolgirls are being prostituted out to expatriates at the Gulf City Shopping Complex.

"There are so many things happening in terms of crime, almost anything can become believable," Dr Christiana Abraham, lecturer in communication studies at the University of the West Indies, St Augustine campus, reasons.

Abraham was asked about her views on what could have prompted the near-hysteria over rumours, fuelled by news reports, that 75 children, whose heads were shaved, were found in a container bound for Cuba at Shed 4 at the Port of Port of Spain on March 3.

"It reflects the state of Trinidad and Tobago. People are panicked, we are on edge. In the context of a crime-ridden society, people have become absorbed with these kind of stories and then it takes on a life of its own."

Abraham believes that had it been in another Caribbean island not faced with similar problems, such a rumour would not have "picked up in that way".

Rumours of the children in the container first hit the airwaves around 10.45 a.m. on March 3, when a man called in to Isha Wells's The Breakfast Show on Soca 91.9FM.

The programme was, at the time, dealing with the disappearance of Leah Lammy, the primary school girl who was reportedly kidnapped soon after leaving school to get a taxi to go home.

The caller asked Wells if she had heard about the children "they" had just found at the port.

Wells said she advised the man to call 555 or 800-TIPS with the information.

About 15 minutes later, a woman called and said she could confirm what the man had said, but gave a different story.

She said her cousin was a soldier and that he had opened the container and found the children, but it was not at the Port of Port of Spain but somewhere close to the army's base in Chaguaramas.

Wells said other people called with similar stories and she said she also heard it on other radio stations.

Someone who was listening to Wells's programme telephoned Marcia Henville just after 11 a.m. while she was hosting her show on Power 102FM.

The person telephoned Henville off-air.

Henville then announced on air that there were rumours of children being found in a container at the port.

Several people also called other media houses-both print and electronic-with similar stories.

However, none of the callers said they actually saw the children, but that they knew someone or had a friend who knew someone who saw the children.

Reporters also called other reporters to find out if they had heard the rumour.

By 11.15 a.m., several calls had already been made to the Commissioner of Police, James Philbert, the Assistant Commissioner of Police Crime and Operations, Raymond Craig, and the police public relations unit.

By midday, the rumour was run as a news story by several radio stations and a few television stations.

Less than an hour and a half after the first call went out to Soca 91.9FM, most of the country was aware of the rumour, with many swearing that it was true based on third- and fourth-hand information.

Other media houses ran the story later as a denial from the Police Service when Philbert sent out a release that the rumours were untrue.

The following day two daily newspapers, including the Express, ran the story on the front pages.

Around the same time that calls were made to the police and the radio stations, people called the port.

Police, Customs and Excise, firemen and port security checked and came up with nothing.

By the following day, an e-mail was circulating, purportedly from a nurse who said she had attended to the children in two different hospitals.

However, the "nurse's" story failed to check out.

The nurse said in the e-mail that she worked at the Eric Williams Medical Sciences Complex, Mt Hope, during the day and at the Port of Spain General Hospital at night, which, under the present structure of the Regional Health Authorities, is not possible.


Several people interviewed for this story also could not produce anyone who actually saw the children, but could only say that they heard it from someone who told them they could confirm the rumour.

Up to last week, there were callers to radio stations who still believe that children were found at the port, but when asked for evidence they could produce none.

The latest incarnation of the rumour is that the children were not local but were actually "Spanish"-looking and that all 75 are still being treated at the Port of Spain General Hospital for dehydration in a cordoned off area, which the NWRHA says is not true.

"The media has a very important social function, which, in this modern era, can become dysfunctional. The media has become one of our most important social institutions and it is on our reliance on the medium for information the media can become dysfunctional," Abraham said.

"It is in a certain kind of context the media has led the way with its robust coverage of the crime situation that can play a function in this kind of social panic."
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on September 03, 2010, 04:17:01 AM
PM: We’ll deal with human trafficking
By ANDRE BAGOO Friday, September 3 2010


GOVERNMENT will move to table legislation to deal with human trafficking, Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar announced yesterday as her Minister of National Security Brigadier John Sandy disclosed that he is certain human trafficking is occurring in this country.

“Statistical anecdotal data indicates that the offence of trafficking in persons is evolving in Trinidad and Tobago at an uncomfortable rate,” Sandy said at a post-Cabinet press briefing held at the Coco Reef Resort and Spa at Store Bay, Tobago. He noted that international bodies have given this country second-tier ratings on the issue.

“The International Organisation for Migration (IOM) and the United States Department of State both report that TT is a country of transit and of destination and may well be a country of origin,” he said. “There have also been numerous reports circulating throughout foreign media concerning the trafficking of their nationals in Trinidad and Tobago.”

He added, “we in Trinidad and Tobago have recognised, within recent times, the disappearance in particular, of young people and women. And as such we thought that we should do something in respect of organising legislation in that respect.” “The IOM, because of our inability to enact legislation, have graded us tier II and we need to do some improvement. As a consequence we have decided at Cabinet today to make efforts to enact that legislation.”

Accordingly, Cabinet yesterday approved the acceptance of a policy framework to give effect to the United Nations Protocol to prevent, suppress and punish trafficking of persons, especially women and children 2000, he said.

“The Ministry of the Attorney General was detailed to prepare the necessary legislation,” he added. Persad-Bissessar revealed that she had met with US Ambassador Beatrice Wellington-Welters on the issue which has attracted low ratings for this country with international human trafficking trade tracking bodies.

“Trinidad and Tobago could be a transshipment location,” she said at yesterday’s briefing. “We are so well poised, we are so well positioned. They asked us in what way they can assist us.

We met and we were discussing ways in which we could get some assistance on that.” The Minister of National Security said US and Venezuelan officials have evidence “that will prove that there is trafficking in humans, particularly females and young children.”
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on January 13, 2011, 06:33:52 AM
4,000 students ‘missing’
By ANNA-LISA PAUL Thursday, January 13 2011


FAST on the heel of shocking revelations earlier this week that dozens of school teachers are facing sex charges for molestation, buggery and for sending pornographic texts to students, came another bombshell yesterday by Education Minister Dr Tim Gopeesingh who disclosed that 4,000 registered secondary students have gone, “missing”.

Speaking at an impromptu press conference in the lobby of Police Administration Building in Port-of-Spain, shortly after meeting with Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs, Gopeesingh said of the 86,000 registered secondary students, 4,000 are presently unaccounted for.

As a result, he said memos will be sent to principals of these schools asking them to account for their students. Gopeesingh said he wants to know the whereabouts of these 4,000 missing students especially as he believes that in some instances, “this is where the crime might he emanating from.”

“Some students are not going to school. Some students have gone their devious pathway and it is incumbent on us to trace the pathway for these 4,000 to determine where they are,” Gopeesingh said.

Describing yesterday’s hour-long meeting with Gibbs as “fruitful”, Gopeesingh said he requested the assistance of the Police Commissioner to prevent violence and indiscipline among some students when classes are dismissed.

Identifying 38 high-risk schools and promising that measures would have been implemented with immediate effect from yesterday, Gopeesingh said Gibbs assured him that mobile police patrols will be introduced around these schools when classes end.

Warning gang leaders that their actions to “infiltrate the school system” and entice students will no longer be tolerated, the minister added, “They will be dealt with by the police service quite shortly.”

President of the National Parent Teacher Association, Zena Ramatali echoed the minister’s concern regarding the 4,000 “missing” students and added: “We must not only look at secondary schools but primary schools as well.”

Claiming that more often than not, it was these missing students that ended up in gangs and with female students getting pregnant and/or contracting diseases, Ramatali said the NPTA is seeking a meeting with Gopeesingh to discuss these and other issues.
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: weary1969 on January 13, 2011, 12:42:23 PM
4,000 students ‘missing’
By ANNA-LISA PAUL Thursday, January 13 2011


FAST on the heel of shocking revelations earlier this week that dozens of school teachers are facing sex charges for molestation, buggery and for sending pornographic texts to students, came another bombshell yesterday by Education Minister Dr Tim Gopeesingh who disclosed that 4,000 registered secondary students have gone, “missing”.

Speaking at an impromptu press conference in the lobby of Police Administration Building in Port-of-Spain, shortly after meeting with Commissioner of Police Dwayne Gibbs, Gopeesingh said of the 86,000 registered secondary students, 4,000 are presently unaccounted for.

As a result, he said memos will be sent to principals of these schools asking them to account for their students. Gopeesingh said he wants to know the whereabouts of these 4,000 missing students especially as he believes that in some instances, “this is where the crime might he emanating from.”

“Some students are not going to school. Some students have gone their devious pathway and it is incumbent on us to trace the pathway for these 4,000 to determine where they are,” Gopeesingh said.

Describing yesterday’s hour-long meeting with Gibbs as “fruitful”, Gopeesingh said he requested the assistance of the Police Commissioner to prevent violence and indiscipline among some students when classes are dismissed.

Identifying 38 high-risk schools and promising that measures would have been implemented with immediate effect from yesterday, Gopeesingh said Gibbs assured him that mobile police patrols will be introduced around these schools when classes end.

Warning gang leaders that their actions to “infiltrate the school system” and entice students will no longer be tolerated, the minister added, “They will be dealt with by the police service quite shortly.”

President of the National Parent Teacher Association, Zena Ramatali echoed the minister’s concern regarding the 4,000 “missing” students and added: “We must not only look at secondary schools but primary schools as well.”

Claiming that more often than not, it was these missing students that ended up in gangs and with female students getting pregnant and/or contracting diseases, Ramatali said the NPTA is seeking a meeting with Gopeesingh to discuss these and other issues.

Dey missing from school they eh missing totally. I want to know where the parents in all of this? if children drop out of school is the Principal wuk 2 get dem back in school? yes it have some teachers/principals who does cause chirren to drop out and parents who have dey chirren wukin instead of goin 2 school but y is the Principal who have 2 account?
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on April 10, 2013, 04:38:42 AM
New human trafficking law nets cop
COLOMBIAN CONNECTION
By Sascha Wilson (Guardian).


A police constable with 25 years’ service was denied bail yesterday after appearing in court on ten human-trafficking charges involving three Colombian women. It is alleged that PC Valentino Eastman, 52, who was last assigned to the Mon Repos Police Station, brought the women into the country and harboured them for the purpose of prostitution.

Eastman is the first person in T&T to be charged under the Trafficking in Persons Act of 2011. He appeared before Deputy Chief Magistrate Mark Wellington in the San Fernando First Court where the prosecution objected to bail. Eastman was arrested last Thursday after the women were detained and handed over to the Anti-Human Trafficking Unit which launched an investigation into allegations made by the women.

Eastman, of St Julien Village, Princes Town, was slapped with ten charges, including transporting the women to Vistabella for the purpose of exploiting them for prostitution and receiving the women into the country or transporting or harbouring them for the purpose of exploitation. When Eastman appeared yesterday, the magistrate cleared the courtroom of members of the public and press after prosecutor Ramdath Phillip brought to his attention Section 34 of the act which says matters must be heard in camera.

It also says the identities of the victims and their families are to be kept confidential and any breach may lead to a $100,000 fine. Phillip objected to bail for two reasons. Deeming Eastman a flight risk, he said the police had information that he could leave the country by means other than his passport. He also expressed concern that if released on bail Eastman might interfere with prosecution witnesses.

Noting that this was the first such case in the country and possibly in the Caribbean, Phillip asked the magistrate to consider the nature and seriousness of the offences. However, Eastman’s attorney Subhas Panday countered that it was a bailable offence and the prosecution must produce evidence to substantiate the suspicion of witness interference.

He argued that Eastman has strong roots in the country, being a serving member of the protective services and the father of six and grandfather of two. He said Eastman also surrendered his passport and had a fixed place of abode. However, the magistrate upheld the prosecution’s objection and denied bail.

Eastman, who was not called upon to plead, was charged by PC Ramlogan. The matter was adjourned to April 15. Eastman’s attorney will be applying to a judge in the High Court for bail. One of the charges carries a maximum penalty of 25 years in prison for a serving member of the protective services.

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PC Valentino Eastman

Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: grimm01 on April 10, 2013, 12:07:30 PM
I am glad that they caught this man but I find it hard to believe that this pipsqueek, former SRP have the resources to singlehandedly find these Colombian women wherever they were, get them from there to Trinidad, maintain them and manage their pimping. If the police had him under surveillance surely they could hold his business partners, corrupt immigration people, other police, etc.

Is this another case of holding the small fry while the big fish gets away?
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: lefty on April 10, 2013, 12:28:30 PM
I am glad that they caught this man but I find it hard to believe that this pipsqueek, former SRP have the resources to singlehandedly find these Colombian women wherever they were, get them from there to Trinidad, maintain them and manage their pimping. If the police had him under surveillance surely they could hold his business partners, corrupt immigration people, other police, etc.

Is this another case of holding the small fry while the big fish gets away?

yuh mean like finding 10 million in cocaine in ah house an' eh see nobody come or go, for d length of the surveillance
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: ZANDOLIE on April 10, 2013, 12:44:56 PM
I am glad that they caught this man but I find it hard to believe that this pipsqueek, former SRP have the resources to singlehandedly find these Colombian women wherever they were, get them from there to Trinidad, maintain them and manage their pimping. If the police had him under surveillance surely they could hold his business partners, corrupt immigration people, other police, etc.

Is this another case of holding the small fry while the big fish gets away?

yuh mean like finding 10 million in cocaine in ah house an' eh see nobody come or go, for d length of the surveillance
lol
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: fari on April 10, 2013, 06:40:09 PM
I am glad that they caught this man but I find it hard to believe that this pipsqueek, former SRP have the resources to singlehandedly find these Colombian women wherever they were, get them from there to Trinidad, maintain them and manage their pimping. If the police had him under surveillance surely they could hold his business partners, corrupt immigration people, other police, etc.

Is this another case of holding the small fry while the big fish gets away?

this man is the fall guy...hadda be...them big papi and them is the ones in charge of that racket
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: sammy on April 11, 2013, 06:42:11 AM
is trinidad police we speaking about...... we have to be glad that someone got caught at all
Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on June 22, 2013, 01:53:38 AM
T&T on US human trafficking watch list
By Richard Lord (Guardian).


T&T has been put on a human-trafficking watch list by the US State Department in its June 2013 Trafficking in Persons report. The report listed T&T as “a destination and transit country for adults and children subjected to sex trafficking and adults subjected to forced labour.” Released this week, the report ranked T&T at position 44 in the world.

It said the T&T Government had failed to do enough to address the issue of human trafficking during the 12-month reporting period and “does not fully comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking” but was trying. “The Government did not demonstrate evidence of overall increasing efforts to address human trafficking over the previous reporting period; therefore T&T is placed on Tier 2 Watch List,” the State Department said.

The report puts nations in one of three tiers, with Tier One being states with most compliance. It said the Government made progress by proclaiming its anti-trafficking law and establishing a counter-trafficking unit, but those efforts were overshadowed by the Government’s “failure to properly screen and protect hundreds of potential trafficking victims, including the almost 200 victims in a significant forced-labour case involving five fishing vessels stranded off the country’s coast for the majority of the reporting period.”

It said after the anti-trafficking legislation was proclaimed and the counter-trafficking unit established, in March 2013 the authorities raided and arrested 75 foreign women. It noted that despite having the infrastructure in place to screen the women, law enforcement charged the women with solicitation and did not screen them for trafficking indicators or refer them for care and assistance.

It also said experts reported that “trafficking-related complicity of public officials significantly hampered the Government’s ability to effectively address the trafficking problem in T&T.”

While the 2011 law mandates the ministerial task force to monitor and evaluate the government’s anti-trafficking efforts, no such reporting was evident as of April 2013, said the report, and the T&T Government did not undertake measures to reduce the demand for commercial sex acts, such as an awareness campaign targeted at clients of the sex trade.” In addition, the authorities “did not consider child sex tourism to be a problem in T&T and no such cases were identified, investigated, or prosecuted during the reporting period.”

The report recommends that T&T implement the 2011 Trafficking in Persons Act fully to vigorously investigate and prosecute trafficking offences, and convict and sentence trafficking offenders. The act prohibits sex trafficking and forced labour, contains extensive victim protections and prescribes penalties of 15 years to life imprisonment with fines.

The US report said the T&T Government “took inadequate steps to proactively identify and protect trafficking victims during the majority of the reporting period,” and consequently few victims were able to benefit from the extensive victim provisions codified in the country’s anti-trafficking law. The trafficking law “explicitly protects victims from punishment for crimes committed as a direct result of a trafficking situation, but police failed to proactively screen women detained.”

Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on April 09, 2014, 02:14:34 AM
Human trafficking expert: Boom in child porn in T&T
Published: Wednesday, April 9, 2014
By Yvonne Baboolal (Guardian)


A child could be trafficked and still go home and sleep in his/her bed every night, says Adrian Alexander, president of the Caribbean Umbrella Body for Restorative Behaviour (CURB). Alexander says there is a boom in child sex tourism in T&T. He revealed a side of human trafficking different from the Hollywood movie Taken, which is closer to home. Explaining how it works, he said, “The smart phone your child has, or even the laptop the Government gave him, is the portal through which this is being done.

“A foreigner can stay in his home or office and (through the Internet) have a child disrobe and perform sexual acts on himself or herself, perhaps even paying for it.” Alexander said that was linked to organised crime and told how he and CURB volunteers were threatened, followed and had their telephones monitored for their awareness campaign. He said, “There is a boom in child porn in T&T. Videos are being done by children and circulated.

“It’s not always a case of a badly behaved child. These young people could be victims of human trafficking. “It’s happening in secondary and primary schools. The Education Ministry is aware there has been an increase in sexual activity among children at a younger age. It’s happening, it’s a reality. It’s not a figment of our imaginations.” He said under the act, transporting a person under 18 or recruiting him/her for the purpose of making child pornography, is a crime.

Alexander spoke to the Guardian as CURB, this week, launched a smart phone mobile app to assist in the prevention of human trafficking in T&T and the Caribbean. CURB was part of a Cabinet-appointed multi-sectoral task force that helped shape the Trafficking in Persons Act proclaimed in January 2013. The International Organisation on Migration partnered with the Government to initiate the political action, which fell under the Ministry of National Security.

The group, an umbrella body of various civil society organisations, including Vision on Mission, New Hope Prison Ministry, Transformed Life Ministry and Woman Thou Art Loosed Foundation, has embarked on a training programme for teachers and parents about this little-known aspect of human trafficking. An online article by PRWEB in New York on Monday reported that the free globally available anti-human trafficking mobile application empowers victims and communities to safely report cases.

There is a section directed to young people, as well as job seekers and migrants from outside T&T who can be informed about the risks of human trafficking. “The Counter-Trafficking Unit has rescued a number of child and adult victims from sex and labour exploitation and domestic servitude. “The 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013 Trafficking in Persons Report from the US State Department identified T&T as a source country for trafficked persons.”

“T&T was placed on a human trafficking watch list last year by the US State Department and listed as a destination and transit country for adults and children subjected to sex trafficking and adults subjected to forced labour.” The report said unconfirmed findings of the National Security Ministry states victims of trafficking between June 2009 and August 2012 were 39 per cent Venezuelan, 31 per cent Colombian, eight per cent Guyanese and 22 per cent from the Dominican Republic.

About the APP

The app is titled “Trafficking in Trinbago” and educates users on the extent of human trafficking in the region and tells how to identify, prevent and report it. The online report said the CURB team uses links, downloads and videos within the app to help users recognise signs of the crime, reasons why it might occur and how, including targeted information on work permits and due diligence specific to local youth, migrants and job-seekers.

“Perhaps it most important feature is the Report It button, which gives the option of immediately connecting the user’s iPhone or Android Smartphone with relevant law enforcement agencies, including the local police, Child Line and 800-TIPS, and directly emailing the Counter Trafficking Unit to report suspected cases.”

Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on March 15, 2015, 03:58:40 AM
Ramona struggles with drug blocks, brothels, human trafficking.
By Rhondor Dowlat (Guardian).


Hundreds of millions of dollars have already been spent in the Couva North constituency in infrastructural development, water projects, and street lighting programmes. But according to MP for the area Ramona Ramdial, in spite of all the developmental works and improvement, she has been facing challenges with brothels, drug blocks, human trafficking, the slow disbursement of allocations to her constituency from various ministries, and even the attitude of some of the residents themselves.

Ramdial, also Minister in the Ministry of Water Resources and the Environment, was speaking with the Sunday Guardian when she said: “We have challenges with the residents themselves. Sometimes we go in to do a project and they claiming state property are theirs and it hinders the whole process. “With crime, I have had challenges with the brothels, drug blocks and human trafficking, but I am working closely with Snr Supt Johnny Abraham.”

The Sunday Guardian, in its pre-election constituency watch, went to the Couva North constituency to speak with residents and hear their thoughts and feelings about the work done or not done in their area, and the performance of their MP to date. Harry Bhagwandeen, 77, of Roopsingh Road, Carapichaima, said he believes that things only got worse in the country compared to long ago.

“Long time people got jobs easily and they were able to save their money and set an inheritance for their children and grandchildren.” Sitting on a chair by the roadside under the hot blazing sun, Bhagwandeen further explained: “Nowadays, people only working to pay bills and cannot save because the cost of living is too high, and the Government not doing anything to help out the situation. “The youths struggling to get jobs and when they do get something, it’s for small money.”

Cassava Street, Carapichaima resident Vandyke Jack, 64, complained of a drain which the relevant authorities failed to refurbish. He claimed he was promised a box drain as the present drain would overflow and cause flooding when it rains. John Singh, 50, of Jagbir Street, Korea Village, reminisced when the village was adopted by Oma Panday, wife of former Couva North MP and former prime minister Basdeo Panday.

Singh said the Pandays frequented the village in those years, so everyone knew them well. “They know what they looked like. They came and made sure the people in the village were okay. I wouldn’t lie eh, she (Ramdial) must be come in the village about three times. That is not enough,” Singh said. He, however, admitted though that a lot of infrastructural works were done by this present administration. “Ramdial really work hard because we have box drains. We have electricity including street lights and most importantly, pipe-borne water,” Singh said.

Another resident of Korea Village, Kishoor Mohan, 47, lamented the absence of box drains close to Jagbir Street Extension and the deplorable roads. Mohan, a father of five, also said there was need for more job opportunities for people like himself and others throughout the village. Mohan, who is unemployed, struggles to make ends meet by doing odd jobs including getting an end at a scrapyard.

Residents of Wyaby, Carapichaima, praised Ramdial for her involvement in getting, for the first time, a pipe-borne supply of water, electricity, box drains and paved roads. Raffick Mohammed, 77, his relative, Zorina, 54, and their neighbour, Audrey Spencer pleaded with the Government to give them Deeds of Comfort for the state lands they have been occupying for more than 40 years. “We cannot do anything to our wooden houses until we get regularised. The lots are overlapping too,” Raffick said.

Waterloo fisherman Lal Ramrattan, 64, said the only thing he was disappointed with was the failure to have a proper slipway constructed to facilitate the fishermen in the area. “Some years ago, we backfilled the area and tried our hand on the slipway but now we need the intervention to have a proper one because here is where the boats are repaired and refurbished,” Ramrattan said. The Waterloo Bay is located next to the Waterloo Cremation Site and the Temple in the Sea.

Residents also noted the lack of maintenance and beautification of the area given the fact that it is a major tourist attraction and people from all over the world frequent the area on a daily basis. Residents of Ragoonanan Road West, Perseverance Road (Chandernagore), complained of a broken bridge that links to the Perseverance Road. One resident, who wished not to be identified, said for years they have begged and pleaded with former MP Panday and now, the present MP Ramdial to have the bridge restored.

A Chandernagore businesswoman, who did not want her name to be used, said there was a high spate of robberies in the area. “Because of the heavy traffic flow in the back here plenty motorists are held up and robbed,” the businesswoman said. The Perseverance Road links Chaguanas to Orange Field Road, Chase Village, and is used as an alternative to avoid traffic backup during peak hours along the Old Southern Main Road. The businesswoman said that the Perseverance Road (Chandenagore) is in dire need of widening and being paved.

more info

Progress report of work done by Ramdial
Infrastructural projects—60 per cent completed
Water projects—95 per cent completed
Alleviation of flooding—60 per cent completed
Street lighting programmes—work in progress

Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on June 21, 2019, 12:30:58 AM
Villagers—Land grabbing, drug, human trafficking in Carapichaima
By Rhondor Dowlat-Rostant (Guardian).


There is said to be an “in­va­sion” of Colom­bians and Venezue­lans at Brick­field in Cara­pichaima which are caus­ing grave con­cerns by vil­lagers who are claim­ing that il­le­gal ac­tiv­i­ties are on a ram­pant in­crease in­clud­ing State land grab­bing, drug traf­fick­ing, guns and am­mu­ni­tion traf­fick­ing and hu­man traf­fick­ing.

The vil­lagers are now call­ing on Po­lice Com­mis­sion­er Gary Grif­fith and oth­er rel­e­vant au­thor­i­ties to in­ter­vene and “clean up the area” in an at­tempt to re­store peace, law and or­der.

They claim that their nu­mer­ous re­ports to a near­by po­lice sta­tion have fall­en on “deaf ears and blind eyes” main­ly be­cause they be­lieve that there is an al­leged re­la­tion­ship be­tween a se­nior po­lice of­fi­cer at the sta­tion and a fe­male Colom­bian woman.

It is al­leged that the woman is the moth­er of a young Colom­bian man who is de­scribed as the “mas­ter­mind” be­hind many of the il­le­gal ac­tiv­i­ties in the area.

It is al­leged that the Colom­bian young man is in­volved in back­fill­ing swamp lands at Tem­ple Road and block­ing off lots of land with steel posts and wire fenc­ing and sell­ing it be­tween $10,000 to $15,000.

Guardian Me­dia went to the area and cap­tured sev­er­al im­ages of the land de­vel­op­ment. When ap­proached sev­er­al squat­ters de­nied to di­vulge any in­for­ma­tion re­gard­ing how they end­ed up liv­ing in their re­spec­tive spots. Some, who al­leged­ly pur­chased land from the Colom­bian al­so re­fused to di­vulge any in­for­ma­tion, how­ev­er, point­ed out a small wood­en house that is al­leged­ly owned and oc­cu­pied by the young man. No one was at the house at the time of Guardian Me­dia’s vis­it.

One vil­lager, who wished not to be iden­ti­fied for fear of his life, said vil­lagers are threat­ened to “keep their mouths shut.”

“Many times our re­ports to the sta­tion are not be­ing tak­en. If our calls are an­swered we are be­ing told that there is no po­lice car avail­able...most times the sta­tion’s phones ring out...no an­swer,” the vil­lager said.

“We need our vil­lage back! We have guns point­ed to our faces, we are robbed and bul­lied by the Venezue­lans and Colom­bians. We see the trans­port ve­hi­cles com­ing in and go­ing out with drugs and guns in­clud­ing pri­vate cars, po­lice ve­hi­cles and am­bu­lances be­cause who re­al­ly go­ing to stop an am­bu­lance or po­lice car?” the vil­lager added.

There are al­so sev­er­al bars op­er­at­ing in the area that have hired the Colom­bian and Venezue­lan women to work 24/7, some of whom are be­ing de­scribed as “slaves” by the vil­lagers who claim that they strong­ly be­lieve that their pass­port are be­ing tak­en away by the bar own­ers and there­fore they have no oth­er choice but to work in the bars and “fol­low what­ev­er in­struc­tions they are al­leged­ly giv­en.”

At least four pri­vate cars have been ob­served and iden­ti­fied as “trans­porter ve­hi­cles” one of which is seen be­ing dri­ven by the Colom­bian man.

When con­tact­ed yes­ter­day for com­ment Cou­va North Mem­ber of Par­lia­ment Ra­mona Ram­di­al con­firmed State land grab­bing is­sues over the years since the Peo­ple’s Part­ner­ship gov­ern­ment but ad­mit­ted that in the last year there has been an in­crease in squat­ters in the Tem­ple Road, Bay Road and an area re­ferred to as Mon­tano Farms.

Ram­di­al, whilst not be­ing able to di­vulge the iden­ti­ties of the peo­ple in­volved in the il­le­gal land de­vel­op­ment and sale of the lands said that she wouldn’t put it pass the in­volve­ment of the Colom­bians.

“State lands be­ing tak­en and sold over by squat­ters and crim­i­nal el­e­ments is in fact true. I know peo­ple have got­ten shot over land that was sold to them and be­fore they knew it the land was resold to some­one else. The is­sue of squat­ting has been a very volatile is­sue in Brick­field for many years, “ Ram­di­al said.

She, how­ev­er, not­ed that some squat­ters have been giv­en let­ters of com­fort be­cause of the length of time they have been oc­cu­py­ing the lands but added that even they are now the tar­gets of the in­creas­ing im­mi­grant pop­u­la­tion in the area.

“I would want to be­lieve that the Colom­bians may be in­volved be­cause of some sto­ries I have heard that are amaz­ing,” Ram­di­al said.

The mem­ber of par­lia­ment al­so said that the Brick­field area is a very vi­able area to ex­plore for tourist pur­pos­es be­cause years ago peo­ple would go there be­cause of the swamp and for bird watch­ing, “What is al­so brew­ing is that lo­cals squat­ting on a por­tion of state lands called Mon­tano Farms by the fish­ing de­pot which was giv­en for aqua cul­ture where shrimp farm­ing was done but that didn’t work out so the land was left aban­doned...now be­cause of the squat­ters a mas­sive steel struc­ture has been erect­ed block­ing off the coast­line dis­rupt­ing fish­er­men, oys­ter and crab catch­ers from ply­ing their trade. Their ac­cess is blocked off.”

Ram­di­al said she has sub­mit­ted re­ports to the Min­is­ter of Agricul­tre Clarence Ramb­harat and the Plan­ning Min­is­ter Camille Robin­son-Reg­is. She added that pos­i­tive feed­back was giv­en by both min­is­ters to ad­dress the is­sues.

CoP Grif­fith is in re­ceipt of the in­for­ma­tion and will in­ter­vene.


Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on February 15, 2020, 03:58:29 AM
Cop, V'zuelan denied bail for human trafficking
BY SEETA PERSAD (NEWSDAY).


A police officer attached to Central Division Police and a Venezuelan appeared in the Chaguanas Magistrate Court on Friday charged with human trafficking. The two appeared before senior magistrate Rajendra Rambachan. The two were not jointly charged. They were denied bail pending further investigations and are now in police custody.

Central police said that the officer would re-appear in court on Monday.

Attorney Aaron Levi Daniel Smith, who represented the Venezuelan, said his client would remain in police custody for two weeks.

“The police has already made an application for tracing of my client through Interpol's database and this will be done within two weeks.”

The Venezuelan is scheduled to return to court on February 27.

According to a police report, the Western Division and the Defence Force carried out an early-morning exercise at Big Yard, Carenage, on Monday which led to the discovery of Venezuelan migrants.

Among them were ten men, six women, a 15-year-old boy and a two-month-old girl. The police officer and Venezuelan were arrested and taken to the Four Roads police station where they were interviewed by members of the Counter Trafficking Unit.

The migrants were handed over to the Immigration Division.

Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on February 22, 2020, 06:12:27 AM
Three Police Officers held on suspicion of trafficking in minors
T&T Guardian Reports.


Three po­lice of­fi­cers and a civil­ian were ar­rest­ed ear­ly this morn­ing on sus­pi­cion of be­ing gang mem­bers as well as traf­fick­ing in per­sons.

The homes and the lock­ers of the three po­lice­men were searched, and among the items seized were cell phones. The of­fi­cers are at­tached to the Cen­tral Di­vi­sion.

Dur­ing the ex­er­cise, one of the po­lice of­fi­cers com­plained of chest pains and was tak­en to hos­pi­tal for treat­ment.

The three po­lice of­fi­cers and the civil­ian held to­day are be­ing ques­tioned about the traf­fick­ing of per­sons, main­ly mi­nors, from Venezuela.

The ex­er­cise was car­ried out by the Counter Traf­fick­ing Unit (CTU), with the sup­port of the In­ter-Agency Task Force (IATF) and the Spe­cial Op­er­a­tions Re­sponse Team (SORT).

To­day’s ar­rests fol­low a sim­i­lar ex­er­cise on Mon­day 10th Feb­ru­ary 2020, in which one po­lice­man and a Venezue­lan na­tion­al were ar­rest­ed and lat­er charged with var­i­ous of­fences.

In­ves­ti­ga­tions are on­go­ing.

Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on February 25, 2020, 09:31:35 AM
Two cops held for human trafficking
BY JADA LOUTOO (NEWSDAY).


Two police officers are among three people charged with trafficking of a child for the purpose of exploitation.

Acting Insp Rajesh Gokool, 47, and acting Sgt Richard Lalbeharry, 43, both of whom were assigned to the Central Division, were also charged with receiving a benefit knowing it resulted from the offence of trafficking of a child, supporting a gang in the commission of gang-related activity and misbehavior in public office.

Gookool was also charged with sexual penetration of a child.

Also charged was Matthew Ross, 39, a bar manager of Freeport. He was charged with supporting a gang in the commission of gang-related activity.

The three men are expected to appear before a Chaguanas magistrate on Wednesday. They were charged on Monday.

They were among four suspects arrested by officers of a special task force put together by the Commissioner of Police, in conjunction with the Counter-Trafficking Unit, during an anti-crime exercise conducted in the Central Division on Friday.

The special task force was assisted by officers of the Special Operations Response Team and the Inter-Agency Task Force.

Police said investigations into the suspected trafficking in persons, mainly minors, from Venezuela, are ongoing.

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Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on April 22, 2020, 08:56:11 AM
Senior cops charged with trafficking V'zuelan minor
AZARD ALI (NEWSDAY).


TWO senior police officers from the Chaguanas Police Station were on Wednesday granted $1.3 million bail on charges of trafficking a child of Venezuelan nationality.

Senior magistrate Rajendra Rambachan in the Chaguanas magistrates' court, ordered Ag Inspector Rajesh Gokool, 47, of Southern Main Road, La Romaine and Sgt Richard Lalbeharry, of Chase Village, Carapichaima, to surrender their passports. Appearing alongside with the top cops who were stationed at Chaguanas Police Station, was bar manager Mathew Ross, of Freeport.

Rambachan read two charges to Gokool that between October 1 and November 26, 2019, he recruited, transported, transferred and harboured a child for the purpose of exploitation. A third charge alleged that between the same dates, he sexually penetrated the child. And a fourth alleged that between the same dates, Gokool obtained a financial benefit knowing that it resulted from trafficking a child.

A fifth charge against Gokool read by Rambachan alleged that between the same dates, he wilfully misconducted himself in office by transporting and harbouring a child for the purpose of exploitation.

Attorney Kevin Ratiram who represented Gokool, pleaded for bail on the indictable charges, saying that the police inspector had been in the service for the past 27 years. Rambachan granted him $700,000 bail with a cash alternative of $70,000.

He ordered that Gokool surrender his passport and that he not leave TT without permission of the court.

Rambachan then read a charge to Lalbeharry, that between the same dates, he obtained a financial benefit from the trafficking of a child. A second charge alleged that he received and harboured a child for the purpose of exploitation. And a third and fourth alleged that he provided support for a gang leader by transporting and harbouring a child for exploitation and being holder of public office, he misconducted himself.

Attorney John Heath who pleaded for bail, said that Lalbeharry had been a police officer for the past 23 years. The magistrate granted him $600,000 bail or $60,00 deposit.

Rambachan then read to Ross, 39, who was represented by attorney Keith Beckles, a charge that he knowingly provided support to a gang leader by receiving, transporting and harbouring a child for exploitation. Beckles pleaded for bail saying that Ross would adhere to whatever reporting conditions the court imposed.

Rambachan granted $500,000 bail and ordered Ross to report to the Freeport Police Station every Thursday before 10 am.

The arrest and charges of the three stemmed from investigations by the Counter Trafficking Unit Special Task Force, Port of Spain. The child in question is under 18 years old and cannot be identified.

The three are to reappear on March 25.

Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on July 22, 2020, 09:48:30 AM
Young disturbed by local human traffickers
RADHICA DE SILVA (GUARDIAN).


Minister of National Security Stuart Young says he is disturbed by the number of locals involved in human trafficking rings between T&T and Venezuela.

In an interview with Guardian Media yesterday, Young said all available assets including the 24-hour radar were being used to monitor the coasts.

This has resulted in the recent arrests of several boatloads of Venezuelan nationals and locals believed to have been hired to transport the Venezuelans to several locations inland.

A source disclosed that on July 16, a total of 46 Venezuelans was intercepted and detained by the Coast Guard and taken to the Cedros Security Complex.

A further 12 Venezuelan migrants were arrested at the Palo Seco Beach a day later during a sting operation while eight more were arrested in Siparia en route to a safe house on July 16.
In photographs obtained by Guardian Media, about a dozen of the nationals detained at the Cedros Security Complex were children, some less than two-years-old. The Venezuelan mothers sat on the concrete floor under a car park shed outside the Complex, hugging their children close while the men were separated and placed on another part of the complex. 

Young said the Coast Guard has continued to do its best to protect T&T's maritime borders. 

"We are using all available assets, including the coastal radar system. There have been a number of successful interceptions of boats attempting to bring illegal immigrants into Trinidad within recent times. Some of these vessels are escorted back to Venezuela and some depending on the circumstances are escorted to Trinidad," Young revealed. 

He added, "What is disturbing is the number of Trinidadians involved in these human trafficking schemes."

Asked what was being done to prevent the possible spread of diseases including COVID-19, Young said, "In keeping with the COVID 19 Health protocols, the illegal immigrants are quarantined before arrangements are made for their return to Venezuela."

He added, "We have set up a special quarantine facility at the Heliport in Chaguaramas where they are quarantined and monitored until return to Venezuela."

Young said he has asked the T&T Police Service to institute investigations and charges of the Trinidadian individuals who are involved and caught in these operations.

"The T&T Defence Force, TTPS and Immigration will continue to do their best to protect our borders," Young added.

Meanwhile, councillor for Cedros Shankar Teelucksingh said migrants were entering T&T's waters in the offtime when officers leave patrols to change shifts. He recommended that shifts be changed at sea.

Last Sunday, Guardian Media's Joshua Seemungal exposed the findings of a 2019 Caricom Human Trafficking study which showed that corrupt law enforcement officers were involved in human trafficking between Venezuela and T&T.

A source told Guardian Media that some Venezuelans pay as much as US$2,000 to ensure safe travel from Venezuela to T&T. The monies are used to pay to corrupt officers from Venezuela's military as well as local law enforcement personnel who have links with traffickers operating brothels. Many of the women brought in are forced to work as sex slaves and prostitutes, according to the Caricom report.

The report carried out by researcher Dr C Justine Pierre, and assisted by Nayrobis Rodriguez, gathered information from traffickers, smugglers, victims, law enforcement officers, as well as from anti-human trafficking organizations in more than 32 countries.

One Venezuelan trafficker indicated that through his connection with elements in the T&T Police Service, he has been assured of protection by officers who advise him where to enter the country.

He also claimed that the officers provide security for the safe-houses where the women are kept before they are transported to specific in trucks, cars, maxi-taxis, and vans.

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Some of the Venezuelan migrants arrested on July 16 by TT Coast Guard sit outside the Cedros Security Complex.

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Another group of Venezuelan migrants arrested on July 16 by TT Coast Guard sit outside the Cedros Security Complex.

Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on September 04, 2020, 03:46:05 AM
Lovie Smith’s son, Mikal, arrested on sex trafficking, prostitution charges
By Ryan Young·Writer


Mikal Smith, the son of Illinois coach and former Chicago Bears head coach Lovie Smith, was arrested in Tempe, Arizona, on Thursday on multiple charges related to sex trafficking and a prostitution ring, according to multiple reports.

Smith, Arizona attorney general Mark Brnovich tweeted out, is facing conspiracy, illegally conducting an enterprise, money laundering, pandering, prostitution, sex trafficking and threatening or intimidating charges.

He was arrested Thursday morning and booked into the Gilbert Chandler Jail, according to NBC 12. He is due in court Sept. 10.

Smith played briefly at the college level for Arizona in 1996, and then worked as an assistant coach under his father for four seasons with the Bears from 2009-2012. He rejoined his father in Tampa for a two-year stint as the Buccaneers’ safeties coach in 2014 after spending a year with the Cowboys. Lovie was fired after the 2015 season, which marked the last time either coached in the NFL.

Lovie has since taken a job with Illinois, where he was entering his fifth season.

Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on November 24, 2020, 05:48:38 PM
Young: Human traffickers using children
DARREN BAHAW (T&T NEWSDAY).


HUMAN traffickers may be using children to conceal their cargo of women being shipped to T&T for prostitution and other illegal activities, according to the Minister of National Security.

Speaking at a press briefing on Tuesday, Stuart Young said the use of children was a "typical red flag" in the crime of human trafficking. He said while children "pulled on the heart strings" of people, it was a trend law enforcement authorities are familiar.

Young said there has been a sustained effort to catch people involved in human trafficking and admitted that law enforcement authorities were complicit. He questioned how lawyers are able to get full lists of people detained, their passport numbers, ages and other information, while the suspects are in police custody and sometimes do not even have any identification on them.

"Who is providing those details," he asked. He guardedly admitted that several people were under investigation for human trafficking by the police and noted several police officers were charged and are before the courts.

He said there were number of minors in protective custody who are witnesses against accused human traffickers. Asked what was the extent of law enforcement involvement in human trafficking and what steps have been taken to remove them from active duty in the first instance and charge them for the criminal offence, Young said there were a "number of operations" under way to target some of the human traffickers and the Commissioner of Police had identified some police divisions as being complicit.

Young agreed that while human trafficking was not a new occurrence it had increased significantly and does not think only police officers were involved in the crime.

He said whoever was involved hopefully one day will be brought before the courts, be it politician, police, coast guard officer, defence force officer or immigration officer. Young said that officers can only be sanctioned and removed from active duty if they were charged.

In giving an update on the investigation into the Drugs Sou Sou probe, which involves a number of police officers and soldiers, the minister said he expected "certain things to happen soon."

He also noted that it was impossible to enforce physical distancing in prisons but separate facilities have been earmarked to house suspected cases. Young said while the Mercy Committee, which he chairs, had agreed to release eight prisoners who were convicted of murder the process had to be redone to allow the prisoners an opportunity to be heard in keeping with a decision of the Privy Council.

Title: Re: Human Trafficking.
Post by: Flex on January 20, 2021, 05:36:05 PM
Venezuela cracks human-trafficking ring linked to T&T
GREVIC ALVARADO (T&T NEWSDAY).


The Attorney General of Venezuela, Tarek William Saab, reported on Monday that the Venezuelan authorities had managed to dismantle a human-trafficking network for sexual exploitation connected with T&T.

At a press conference in Caracas, Saab reported that ten people had been held.

He said the investigation was initiated when a mother complained that her daughter had run away with other young people to be taken to T&T to work as a prostitute.

Saab said: “The young woman called her mother and informed her that she no longer wanted to go to Trinidad, but that she was not allowed to return."He said the phone call was traced and the young women were located in Tucupita, Delta Amacuro state.

He reported that three young women and seven adults were rescued. Eight people were detained, and another two who were implicated were arrested – one in Lara State and the other in La Guaira.

One of the detainees was in charge of co-ordinating the logistics of capturing and transporting the victims.

Saab said the alleged ringleaders of the scheme were in T&T, and the Venezuelan government was awaiting the "co-operation of the Trinidadian authorities for their capture and extradition."

The detainees will be charged with trafficking in persons and criminal association.

Contacted for comment, National Security Minister Stuart Young said while he was not aware of the incident, T&T's authorities would continue to do their part in fighting human trafficking.

"I am on record as saying that human trafficking and human smuggling is taking place between Venezuela and T&T.

"We are targeting these illegal activities and will continue to do so."