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Title: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: Tallman on January 15, 2009, 05:39:40 AM
Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
By Damian Spellman (The Independent)


Sunderland boss Ricky Sbragia has told Tottenham they have no chance of pushing through a £15m deal for striker Kenwyne Jones.

Reports today suggested Tottenham manager Harry Redknapp has tabled a massive bid for the 24-year-old, with whom he worked briefly at Southampton, as he attempts to spend his way out of the Barclays Premier League drop zone.

However, Sbragia has told him to forget about it after seeing the Trinidad and Tobago international return to top form following the knee injury he suffered during the summer.

The Scot said: "There's no way I will be selling my best players, it's as simple as that. I have always said that.

"I don't care what Spurs do, at the end of the day, he won't be going anywhere."

Jones, a £6m signing from the Saints during the summer of 2007, has been a big hit on Wearside since and has also been linked with Saturday's opponents Aston Villa.

However, Sbragia is determined to keep Jones and strike partner Djibril Cisse together, with the Frenchman having admitted earlier this week that he is keen to make his loan move from Marseille permanent at the end of the season.

Sbragia said: "He [Cisse] has been excellent for me. He has come into the club, he has nested in well, he likes the area, and what he has done, he is scoring goals and that's what he is paid to do.

"He and Kenwyne are making a good partnership, so I can't see the point in breaking it - and I can't understand why we would want to sell our best players to teams around us.

"That I can't quite understand. There are no circumstances in which any of my players will be leaving."

There was a similar answer too for Hull counterpart Phil Brown, who revealed after last night's FA Cup third-round replay victory at Newcastle that he had made an offer for Black Cats captain Dean Whitehead.

Sbragia, who contacted Brown yesterday to recall defender Paul McShane from his loan spell at the KC Stadium, said: "I spoke to Phil yesterday and he never mentioned it.

"I see he mentioned it after the game last night, but that's how it goes, I gather.

"At the end of the day, I spoke to him about Paul yesterday and that was as far as it went.

"Dean won't be going anywhere, it's as simple as that."

Meanwhile, Sbragia, whose search for defensive reinforcements is continuing despite McShane's return, confirmed that midfielder Liam Miller is expected to join QPR on loan for the rest of the season later today.

(http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00113/KenwyneJones_113182t.jpg)
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: LondonTrini LFC on January 15, 2009, 08:03:34 AM
sad... but still, ah could see why...
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: Sam on January 15, 2009, 08:09:45 AM
I fed up with Jones news.....
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: Mose on January 15, 2009, 09:57:19 AM
More of the same: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/s/sunderland/7830465.stm

Quote

Sunderland warn Spurs off Jones

Sunderland manager Ricky Sbragia has insisted that Tottenham have no chance of signing striker Kenwyne Jones.

Reports on Thursday suggested Spurs had tabled a £15m bid for the 24-year-old, but Sbragia said he will not be letting Jones leave the Stadium of Light.

"There's no way I'm selling my best players, I've always said that. It's that simple," he said.

"I don't care what Spurs do, because at the end of the day, Kenwyne will not be going anywhere."

Spurs boss Harry Redknapp is a known admirer of the Trinidad and Tobago international, who he worked with during the pair's time at Southampton.

Jones left Saints to join Sunderland in 2007 for £6m and after recovering from a knee injury last summer, he has formed a good partnership in recent weeks with Djibril Cisse.

"Cisse has been excellent for me," added Sbragia. "He has come into the club, he has settled in well and he likes the area.

"What he has done, he is scoring goals and that's what he is paid to do.

"He and Kenwyne are making a good partnership, so I can't see the point in breaking it up - and I can't understand why we would want to sell our best players to teams around us."

Sunderland are 13th in the Premier League, five places and three points above Tottenham.
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: Andre on January 15, 2009, 10:13:56 AM
for the right money, any player expendable...even kaka.
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: Tenorsaw on January 15, 2009, 10:26:02 AM
Jones not going anywhere until the summer.  Sunderland trying to stay up, and he along with Cisse will be critical in the second part of the season.
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: trini supporter on January 15, 2009, 10:34:08 AM
I eh blame sbragia and personally i think this is better for jones right now
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: palos on January 15, 2009, 10:51:08 AM
I eh blame sbragia and personally i think this is better for jones right now

How could a move to a club like Tottenham not be in Jones' best interests?
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: Dinner Mints on January 15, 2009, 10:54:43 AM
I eh blame sbragia and personally i think this is better for jones right now

How could a move to a club like Tottenham not be in Jones' best interests?
For one thing, they're currently in relegation form.
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: JDB on January 15, 2009, 10:58:51 AM
I eh blame sbragia and personally i think this is better for jones right now

How could a move to a club like Tottenham not be in Jones' best interests?

Tottenham is a poorly managed club.

They have Redknapp now and he will work with them but over the years their transfer policy has been crazy.

They will buy fifteen midfielders, each as average/good as the next and build up a big squad and not know what their best team is.

I thought it would have changed with Redknapp but even now they have Huddlestone, Jenas, Bentley, Modric, Zokora, Lennon, O'Hara but they chasing Downing and Palacios - good players but not offering that much that is different.

It looks like they don't know what they want up front either. Just buy Pavluchenko and Defoe, have Bent, now chasing Jones. It could be that Redknapp does not rate Bent or Pavluchenko but in general Spurs is very hit or miss.
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: kev on January 15, 2009, 12:25:29 PM
I eh blame sbragia and personally i think this is better for jones right now

How could a move to a club like Tottenham not be in Jones' best interests?

The 2 years under Jol were the exception not the rule. 

Anybody who thinks there are not in serious threat of relegation needs to think again, unless their form improves quite a lot.  They have a lot of hard games towards the end of the season.  Redknapp  is not a manager to trust, if you are in with him fine if not your in trouble, he is responsible for the link to Villa, not Villa.  Spurs sack managers with all too frequent regularity and at a whim, the same with players sales.  Not a club I would be that comfortable for Kenwyne to go to, somewhere like Villa would be much better imho.
Title: Spurs admit defeat over Kenwyne Jones
Post by: Tallman on January 16, 2009, 02:59:06 PM
Spurs admit defeat over Kenwyne Jones
Northampton Chronicle

Tottenham boss Harry Redknapp has admitted defeat in his bid to take Sunderland's Kenwyne Jones to White Hart Lane.

Spurs offered £14m for the Trinidad and Tobago hitman, but Sunderland refused to sell and boss Ricky Sbragia said he would walk out if his best players were sold.

"The chairman made an offer for Kenwyne Jones," said Redknapp. "They don't want to sell him, so that is the end of that one," Redknapp said.

"There is nothing more you can do. He spoke to Niall Quinn.

"But they decided he is not for sale, and that is their decision."
Title: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: kev on January 24, 2009, 03:21:08 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1127091/EXCLUSIVE-Spurs-offer-striker-Bent-plus-6m-bait-Sunderland-hitman-Jones.html?ITO=1490

EXCLUSIVE: Spurs offer striker Bent plus £6m as bait for Sunderland hitman Jones

By Simon Jones
Last updated at 12:53 AM on 24th January 2009


Sunderland are in talks to sell Kenwyne Jones to Tottenham and receive £6million cash plus Darren Bent.

The deal has been mooted before but Tottenham were unwilling to match Sunderland’s £15m valuation of Jones and Bent was unsure if it was in his best interests to move to the North-East.

But the deal has been revived, with Spurs offering cash and Bent keen to make a fresh start after stinging criticism from manager Harry Redknapp.

Spurs will offer Sunderland £6million plus Darren Bent (left) for striker Kenwyne Jones

Sunderland boss Ricky Sbragia is reluctant to lose Jones, 24, but the offer of cash plus an England striker is tempting, particularly as Bent was on their summer wish-list.

It would also represent a huge profit on a player Sunderland bought for £6m from Southampton 18 months ago.

Bent, 24, started the season with 12 goals but has failed to score in his last seven games and realises he will not be first choice under Redknapp.

He was also upset when Redknapp claimed his wife could have scored a header the striker missed against Portsmouth. 

end

As I said last week not seen the last of this.  The only difference in the last couple of days is Sbragia gave an interview which he was going on about he was not sure whether a player had his head turned with all the speculation and he would have to wait and see.  He obviously didn't name the player and the only ones linked with bids are Kenwyne, Diouf, Richardson and Chimbonda.  I am sorry can't find the interview at the minute and I am paraphrasing it a bit but that was the general gist, the general feeling is that it was Kenwyne he was speaking about. 

My thoughts haven't really changed, if Kenwyne wants to go the club should let him providing the price is right simply because you are unsure what you are going to get for the rest of the season, some players shrug their shoulders and get on with it without any noticeable difference others just go through the motions.  I am not suggesting Kenwyne would do that I am just saying I don't know.  It would leave the club with only 1 way of playing given Cisse and Bent are similar types and no time for a replacement.  The Bent plus cash is no doubt to make up the additional cost of Bents wages over Kenwyne's to the club, not sure but just a guess and I still think Spurs would be the wrong choice for him. 

In a different paper Bent is being swapped with Carlton Cole so you pays your money and takes your choice.
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: Father Abraham on January 24, 2009, 08:31:47 AM
tottenham is a big club with big ambitions even though they have been so disappointing this season. kenwyn and defoe would compliment each other perfectly. this would be a great switch, bigger pay check, more goals.
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: Big Magician on January 24, 2009, 08:39:54 AM
and maybe back to the championship
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: palos on January 24, 2009, 08:45:57 AM
Sunderland is just as likely as Spurs, if not more so to be relegated.

Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: WestCoast on January 24, 2009, 08:48:17 AM
Sunderland is just as likely as Spurs, if not more so to be relegated.
looks so to me
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: capodetutticapi on January 24, 2009, 01:56:17 PM
Sunderland is just as likely as Spurs, if not more so to be relegated.
looks so to me
nah man sunderland stayin up.
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: WestCoast on January 24, 2009, 01:59:24 PM
Sunderland is just as likely as Spurs, if not more so to be relegated.
looks so to me
nah man sunderland stayin up.
I hope you are right
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: Blue on January 24, 2009, 02:05:08 PM
Both Sky Sports News and ITV (another big network, like BBC) are mentioning this Spurs rumour now, seems like something might happen  :thinking:
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: Babalawo on January 24, 2009, 02:18:24 PM
Both Sky Sports News and ITV (another big network, like BBC) are mentioning this Spurs rumour now, seems like something might happen  :thinking:
Do it KJ.  If you on a ship that's sinking, its obvious to jump off to save your life and swim to sailing one. :devil:
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: Filho on January 24, 2009, 02:45:29 PM
Both Sky Sports News and ITV (another big network, like BBC) are mentioning this Spurs rumour now, seems like something might happen  :thinking:
Do it KJ.  If you on a ship that's sinking, its obvious to jump off to save your life and swim to sailing one. :devil:

sarcasm perhaps?
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: capodetutticapi on January 24, 2009, 03:07:10 PM
Harry Redknapp Confirms Tottenham Enquiry For Kenwyne Jones
The Spurs boss has revealed the North-London club have asked Sunderland about the availability of their star-striker...
Recent reports in the British press had claimed that Tottenham Hotspur were ready to offer Sunderland £6 million plus Darren Bent in exchange for Kenwyne Jones.

Spurs manager Harry Redknapp has since confirmed that the North-London based outfit have made an enquiry for the Trinidad & Tobago international.

"We have made an enquiry for Jones," Redknapp revealed.

"I have no idea how far the chairman has got with it or even whether Sunderland want to do a deal."

He continued: "We are short in one or two areas.

"I had to put Heurelho Gomes on the bench (for the FA Cup tie with Manchester United) even though he is injured because the alternative goalkeeper is a 16-year-old.

"I have brought Palacios in from Wigan to give us a bit of drive and energy in midfield. When we get Jermaine Jenas and Aaron Lennon back, it will give us a bit more pace as well."

Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: acb on January 24, 2009, 03:08:04 PM
they wouldve won today if they had KJ in the side.
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: kev on January 24, 2009, 04:48:35 PM
they wouldve won today if they had KJ in the side.
:rotfl:

Not finished yet, never fails old Harry, last week when getting stick said it was dead, now they lose again and he drops it in again. 

The nearer it gets to closing the more Kenwyne will be worth to Spurs, should be an interesting week, see if they get to the magic number. 

Nearly all transfers are paid for over a number of years now, so Sunderland will still owe them money for the players bought in the summer from then, so any cash won't mean Spurs shelling out it will only be cancelling future expected revenue.   

Babalawo

You obviously don't watch Spurs much or the way they stroll around the pitch especially away from home, have a look at their remaining fixtures and count up how many points you think they will get.  There is also the small matter of the Carling Cup Final, which will mean the players will be trying desperately hard not to get injured. 
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: PantherX on January 24, 2009, 05:31:10 PM
It would be great to have one of my countrymen play for Spurs.
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: Fyzoman on January 24, 2009, 09:31:30 PM
Redknapp is ah kinda ass or what? Wha he want with Kenwyne and he no/poor-first-touch, average-pace self?
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: WestCoast on January 24, 2009, 09:45:07 PM
Redknapp is ah kinda ass or what? Wha he want with Kenwyne and he no/poor-first-touch, average-pace self?
Fyzo, who you talkin bout there?
'arry or KJ  :devil:
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: Bitter on January 24, 2009, 10:29:15 PM
Redknapp is ah kinda ass or what? Wha he want with Kenwyne and he no/poor-first-touch, average-pace self?

That deal buss now. I sure Redknapp will withdraw the offer after reading that.
SW.net strikes again!
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: truetrini on January 24, 2009, 11:30:25 PM
Redknapp is ah kinda ass or what? Wha he want with Kenwyne and he no/poor-first-touch, average-pace self?

I was thinking the same thing, and Sunderland should be happy, Bent and 6 million pounds.???
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: JDB on January 24, 2009, 11:35:28 PM
I give Redknapp real praise when he start at Spurs. they look good for about a month but he is an ass.

All he doing is criticizing the squad as if he didn't know where what he was getting. Plus the way he call out Bent was shitty. The man miss a header but it wasn't that bad.

Spurs no more likely to stay up than Sunderland right now.
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: kev on January 25, 2009, 02:38:24 AM
I haven't got a massive problem with Kenwyne going at the reported money, especially if he wants to go and I have previously said, but I expect a bigger price yet as the window nears its end and especially if Spurs don't win their midweek game. If the money isn't right then the simple fact is the club should do what Spurs did with Berbatov and Keane and just wait until the summer.

The problem is it just means we a different option of playing style, but as I have said on many occasions our real problems lie in missing a good CM and a poor defence.  Sort the defence we will be OK.  The timing of the deal is the main worry.

If the deal involves Bent and £6 Million I would be OK with it, in reality that would mean we have swapped Kenwyne for Bent, Malbranque (probably our best player this season) and Tianio, you have to be happy with that from a team perspective.  If he goes he will go with nothing but my best wishes and thanks for keeping us up last season. 

Redknapp as I said on another thread is losing his shine with his tricks at the minute and a few of the press are having a dig.  If it does happen be warned Redknapp takes no prisoners when it comes to players.  I have pointed out for weeks what Redknapp always does with transfers and the Villa link was never a Villa link, these stories are always started by the same paper group Mail, I wonder why that is or is it just a coincidence.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/column...5875-21067120/

Harry Redknapp can't blame the players as he looks anything but classy

Brian Reade 24/01/2009

I watched an old fella suffer badly the other night.

My 71-year-old father-in-law has followed Burnley since he was a boy and as he saw his Wembley dream snatched away I felt his pain. So did our dog, and half the street.

But he quickly calmed down, reflected on how the Clarets had done their fans proud, and said: "Eh, that's football".

I then watched another old fella suffer. A 61-year-old twitching at the Sky cameras like Kevin Keegan in head-explosion mode, slagging off his players and announcing he would send out his weakest team in the up-coming FA Cup tie.

Surely that's not 'Appy 'Arry Redknapp, ace motivator and English patriot, who attacks anyone who doesn't give Her Majesty's FA Cup the respect its history demands? Could you imagine the stick a foreign manager would take if he'd said he was throwing an FA Cup tie at Old Trafford?

Particularly if he continued to refuse to speak to Her Majesty's BBC?

Imagine if he'd weaseled out of all blame for his side's poor display by publicly roasting his players and the previous management?

What would have happened if he'd humiliated a reserve goalkeeper, days after slaughtering a confidence-sapped striker?

He would have been accused of insulting British institutions and not having the character or bottle to succeed in English football, that's what.

"This is a team put together by I don't know who and I don't know how. It's scary," is Redknapp's new mantra. Yet this wasn't his tune when he took over at Spurs, drew with Arsenal and twice beat Liverpool. "We have a lot of good players," he said in October.

Now it seems he's working in a talent-free zone. His whine is not without truth. Spurs' squad is unbalanced and lacks leaders.

But with the likes of Modric, Pavlyuchenko, Lennon, Bentley, Woodgate, King, Bale and Jenas, plus the £30million he's just been allowed to spend, most coaches in Europe would willingly swap places.

So why, as his players suffer a dip in form, and they need confidence boosting does he put the boot in on them? It's because their form brings his managerial skills into question, and Harry can never let that happen.

He's got previous. When he failed to keep Southampton in the Premier League he blamed the mess he'd been left. And only this week he was reminding everyone that the players Alain Perrin bequeathed him at Portsmouth were "useless".

Redknapp's top priority is convincing the outside world that he's a class act who's been prevented from running a big club (and his country) by foreigners. Well he doesn't look too classy right now.

He didn't last year, when England scraped a draw with the Czech Republic and he put the boot in on Fabio Capello. "They're not the same players we see in the Premier League. What's happened to them?" he told TV viewers. The implication being that this foreigner can't handle our boys.

But as Capello has proved, big coaches don't waste time cosying up to the media or slagging off their players. They quietly work out how to get the best out of the talent before them.

Harry's finally achieved his ambition of managing a big team.

But he's finding it takes a bit more than wheeler-dealing, pats on backs, and a wink at the cameras.
It takes broad shoulders to carry the blame, a cool brain to work out how to put things right, and an indifference to currying favour with your critics.

The question is: Has Harry got what it takes, or is he cracking up under pressure?

end
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: Fyzoman on January 25, 2009, 07:09:05 AM
Redknapp is ah kinda ass or what? Wha he want with Kenwyne and he no/poor-first-touch, average-pace self?

That deal buss now. I sure Redknapp will withdraw the offer after reading that.
SW.net strikes again!

lol....me eh even study dat yuh know (ah was being sarcastic) but if it get redknapp to leave KJ alone, well my work here is done.

p.s i realy doh mind KJ going to spurs and playing with better midfielders.
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: rotatopoti3 on January 25, 2009, 07:15:56 AM
KJ keep yuh tail where yuh is...Last time you and Harry were together...Southampton get relegated...and d main reason I felt Southampton got relegated iz because Harry only played u for a couple games and sent u out on loan.....dont be an ass...stay where u are .....Sunderland will up yuh salary this week to about 50,000 quid ah week.....

yuh gettin more money
yuh gettin play time...
yuh get to do d wheel

what else yuh want BLOOD...steups.....stay right dey....and thank god yuh getting back to yuh best because Sunderland take care of yuh
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: dreamer on January 25, 2009, 08:55:38 AM
Agree with potato roti. Say right dey KJ and put yuh foot dong. Redknapp is an unstable nomad and never stays anywhere for any length of time.
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: fari on January 25, 2009, 12:14:01 PM
i ent like the vibes around this move, tottenham just too unstable.  'arry might stay for a while and then leave and then leave poor KJ in limbo.  i feel he good where he is, he settled, he have the trini boys to ole talk with, he and cisse starting to gel, and the fans adore him. 
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: acb on January 25, 2009, 12:17:47 PM
...  'arry might stay for a while ... 


might is the operative word, lol.

'arry doh stay anywhere for too long.
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: Jumbie on January 25, 2009, 01:31:04 PM
I give Redknapp real praise when he start at Spurs. they look good for about a month but he is an ass.

All he doing is criticizing the squad as if he didn't know where what he was getting. Plus the way he call out Bent was shitty. The man miss a header but it wasn't that bad.

Spurs no more likely to stay up than Sunderland right now.

 :applause: well-said. Harry is ah ASS!



Personally I would prefer someone like Tevez at Spurs than KJ.


Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: palos on January 25, 2009, 01:38:30 PM
I give Redknapp real praise when he start at Spurs. they look good for about a month but he is an ass.

All he doing is criticizing the squad as if he didn't know where what he was getting. Plus the way he call out Bent was shitty. The man miss a header but it wasn't that bad.

Spurs no more likely to stay up than Sunderland right now.

 :applause: well-said. Harry is ah ASS!



Personally I would prefer someone like Tevez at Spurs than KJ.

Neither Tevez nor KJ fancy life in the Championship Division bro.  8)
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: Jumbie on January 25, 2009, 03:03:01 PM
I give Redknapp real praise when he start at Spurs. they look good for about a month but he is an ass.

All he doing is criticizing the squad as if he didn't know where what he was getting. Plus the way he call out Bent was shitty. The man miss a header but it wasn't that bad.

Spurs no more likely to stay up than Sunderland right now.

 :applause: well-said. Harry is ah ASS!



Personally I would prefer someone like Tevez at Spurs than KJ.

Neither Tevez nor KJ fancy life in the Championship Division bro.  8)

 :flamethrower:


Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: kev on January 25, 2009, 04:28:27 PM
I don't know about KJ, but Chimbonda is signing for them tomorrow, I thought he would go but must admit didn't see that one coming.
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: acb on January 25, 2009, 04:40:55 PM
I don't know about KJ, but Chimbonda is signing for them tomorrow, I thought he would go but must admit didn't see that one coming.

well if that's true - then it's a shrewd move for one of the sides.
Either TH has to pay more to get Chimbonda back, or they will be paying less.
Either way one of the sides is going to pocket some money.

I don't see the hash over KJ. I say let him go to TH - and when Spurs go down, Sunderland can buy him back at a bargain too.

If they both go down .... crapaud smoke dey pipe.
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: kev on January 25, 2009, 04:50:22 PM
I think it will probably be about even if I'm honest Spurs need a defender and he has been hassle (as I expected), can't see the club taking a loss when not a good time to sell.
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: andre samuel on January 25, 2009, 06:34:36 PM
Kev, is there a feeling from within the Sunderland camp that Kenwyne wants to leave?
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: kev on January 26, 2009, 02:27:00 AM
Kev, is there a feeling from within the Sunderland camp that Kenwyne wants to leave?


There is no feeling 1 way or the other tbh Andre.

Kenwyne has always been careful what he says about his future in any interviews that I have seen, which to me is fair enough.

Sbragia has come out this morning and said there is simply no way he is going anywhere and had another whinge about Spurs tactics. 

My own thoughts are its a bit of a no win situation if somebody doesn't say anything, one way or the other. Just guess work, but there was always going to be contract talks with Kenwyne in the summer regardless of any approach so the club could gauge whether to keep or sell him and Kenwyne could decide whether he wanted to extend his stay.  The timing of his injury was unlucky as no doubt if that hadn't of happened talks about his contract and wages would of taken place last summer and players being brought in are on higher wages, but not knowing how long he was out for etc it made them pointless.  If Kenwyne wants to leave my view is to sell him for as much as we can get with Bent in exchange, simply because that would only leave us Cisse up front with little back up, increasing his money etc is a pointless exercise as if he wants to go he will leave anyway in the summer if a decent offer comes in.  Its the rule rather than the exception that once a player gets itchy feet his performances suffer, its just human nature. 

At the start I said its no win unless somebody from Kenwyne's side says something, simply because if he stays and doesn't put in the performances we all know he is capable of some of the fans will take the view he is just going through the motions because he wanted to move and the likelyhood the mood will change against him.  Less relevant is if he goes and starts putting in the performances (which he should start doing because he is near enough fit) fans will say he wasn't really trying as he wanted to move.  Fans will have a dig whichever way it goes now, if Kenwyne wants to go the club would be much better saying the deal was too good to turn down rather than saying Kenwyne's heart wasn't in it. imho the club shouldn't be saying anything until they have really sorted out what Kenwyne wants.

I understand why he is coy about his future but the club need to sit down with him and find out what he wants and act accordingly, interestly I don't think this would of been allowed to get so far down track if Keane had of still been in charge.  Personally I could well understand if Kenwyne wants to move, more money, London, better exposure etc so I haven't got a big problem with it as long as the club doesn't suffer from it.  I think we would miss him, but its manageable, the deal in my view would be totally unacceptable without Bent.   

Sorry it was a rambling reply

Update

There was just a news conference (game) asked about Kenwyne, Sbragia said Kenwyne was "Cooled and Chilled" about the speculation, he is happy and he is not for sale. Read into that what you will, still don't think it is the end of it, I suspect it will run until the deadline, will KJ still be a Sunderland player next month, I haven't got a clue.
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: kev on January 26, 2009, 04:37:34 AM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4850649,00.html

Sbragia - Jones is happy
Black Cats boss says club will not sell to relegation rivals

Jones: Bright and positive

Ricky Sbragia is confident Kenwyne Jones is happy to stay at Sunderland following interest from Tottenham Hotspur.

Sunderland have rejected a bid from Spurs for the Trinidad & Tobago striker, with Sbragia unhappy with the Carling Cup finalists' methods.

He insists there is no chance of the Black Cats selling the former Southampton youngster to another club fighting against relegation.

And Sbragia also believes that, following talks with Jones, the forward has no problems in staying at the Stadium of Light.
Bright and positive

"They are still coming back and doing it again," said Sbragia regarding Spurs' interest. "They're trying to get into the player's head and maybe trying to work the agent a bit more.

"On many occasions we've said no to Spurs. We spoke to Kenwyne on Friday and he's happy here.

"We asked him if the situation had been a problem and he said no. He has never shown once that he doesn't want to be here.

"Niall (Quinn, chairman) was there when I spoke to him. Kenwyne was bright and positive.

"But there's been a lot of pressure put on him which I think is completely wrong. Well, he won't be going. No way.

"I could understand if it was a top-four club, or maybe even Villa and Everton, but I can't understand the Spurs thing. I can't see why we should sell players to clubs in the same situation as ours."

end

Yet happy to sell them Chimbonda, it gets stranger by the day and Sbragia is out of his depth.
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: andre samuel on January 26, 2009, 06:40:20 AM
I was just going to comment on the chimbonda situation because i think Sbragia made himself into an ass based on what he said about the kenwyne situation.

But maybe Chimbonda made it clear that he wanted to go, and he probably had that sort of clause in his contract.

Harry-mainia is over at Tottenham and we are beginning to see how badly off Tottenham really are.  It would be not in Kenwyne's best interests for him to go there. 

As the paper said, maybe a top four club or one of the high flying top 6ers like Everton or Aston Villa, but not that troublesome place in London.

Interestingly enough, i am curious to know how much impact his family will have on his decision since London appears to be the be all and end all of going to England.....
Title: Re: KJ linked with Spurs again
Post by: kev on January 26, 2009, 07:48:14 AM
Not mentioned the Chimbonda situation on here because no one is interested, but he has just been working his ticket even when Keane was here hence being dropped etc, his agent has been trying to get a move, he was linked with Lyon last month and came out with a statement that he would walk there to play.  Its really strange because he needed shifting as he is a trouble maker and I suppose its a sign of how desperate Spurs are that they were willing to take him back, not many / any other  willing takers. 

As for London, I suppose its great if you are single but not the best place to bring up a family, it really depends what Kenwyne and his family prefer, there are pro's and con's to all places to live.  I just never really gained the impression from the way Kenwyne conducts himself that he is particularly bothered about things that tend to switch people onto London, nightlife, in crowd, shops etc.

It comes across as the b all and end all of everything in terms of football, because of the number of clubs and press bias tbh.  Especially for foriegn players because I think there are more foriegn people in London than English so I suppose they always have some people around somewhere from their native country, which is probably not the case in lots of places in the UK.

Snippet from the press conference re KJ

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/video.aspx?VideoPath=SEJJ/ricky%20on%20kenwyne.wmv&VideoID=30924&ArticleID=4913594
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: andre samuel on January 26, 2009, 12:36:44 PM
HARRY IS AT IT AGAIN......

www.skysports.com

Tottenham manager Harry Redknapp admits he would be a 'liar' if he said he would not like to see Robbie Keane return to White Hart Lane.

The £20million Liverpool striker has flopped at Anfield since swapping North London for Merseyside in the summer and rumour is rife that he could be sold in January.

Keane was left out of Rafa Benitez's squad for Sunday's FA Cup draw with Everton, increasing speculation that the Reds boss is ready to cut his loses.

The Republic of Ireland international has been strongly linked with a move back to Tottenham, who are also chasing Sunderland's Kenwyne Jones, and Spurs boss Redknapp admits he would be interested if Keane was for sale.

"I wouldn't sit here and say I wouldn't like to have Robbie Keane at my football club, I'd be a liar, but he belongs to Liverpool so it is not an option unfortunately," Redknapp said.

"As a player and a person I have a lot of time for Robbie Keane. I think he's fantastic."
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: Jumbie on January 26, 2009, 12:49:56 PM
nah.. no Keane.

Truly test times as a facking fan.

arry needs to keep he c**t quiet. Chasing players and making remarks (maybe it's just the press). The players Spurs have eh no less good as any of the teams below the top 5 teams in the league. And I would even venture to say that some are just as good as the top teams. arry get ah lil success when he juss reach and he have no idea what to do now to get some results.

he's just a coach that looks ordinary now and have no clue what to do next. Spurs need someone like Stuart Pearce.
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: acb on January 26, 2009, 01:26:10 PM
The comments attributed to Harry may be the quotes that are published by the newspaper because it carries the most weight ..... but it's the UK press we're talking about - the masters of gossip. You have to speculate how much of this is drawn up and circulated by the players' agents.

Also, it's the transfer window - so Harry having a wishlist of players he thinks will improve TH chances of surviving relegation would be in his best interest. Harry isn't going about courting players any differently from the team that currently sits on top of the EPL.
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: WestCoast on January 26, 2009, 01:31:33 PM
Harry isn't going about courting players any differently from the team that currently sits on top of the EPL.
:o
heavens, now you have hit de maribunta manubunta nest head on :devil:
quick, grab this (http://www.bugsmart.ca/guide/raid/general/22.aspx)
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: kev on January 26, 2009, 01:46:04 PM
The comments attributed to Harry may be the quotes that are published by the newspaper because it carries the most weight ..... but it's the UK press we're talking about - the masters of gossip. You have to speculate how much of this is drawn up and circulated by the players' agents.

Also, it's the transfer window - so Harry having a wishlist of players he thinks will improve TH chances of surviving relegation would be in his best interest. Harry isn't going about courting players any differently from the team that currently sits on top of the EPL.

The comments are taking from the pre match press conference and are on video.  His usual response is he is answering a question, but it changes on who asks the question, which player and club is involved and whether he wants it public knowledge or not.  Last week after some stick it was unfair of him to comment on other teams players, can't have it always.  In reality the press and clubs/ managers are hand in hand it would be no shock to find out a manager or Redknapp if you prefer had asked a reporter to ask him about a particular player in a press conference, maybe me just being cynical, but surely that would never happen would it. ::)

There is only one way to stop this tapping up and that is to bar the managers / clubs from commenting either way on speculation, this problem increases every transfer window and clubs are getting fed up with it so I suspect its only a matter of time.   Big fine or even point deduction would stop it dead in its tracks.  It still wouldn't stop the players, managers, agents and press doing what they are doing now, but would stop the blatant stuff in press conferences.
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: redtrinigirl on January 26, 2009, 04:41:09 PM
Hmmm, I have been watching this drama unfold with interest. As far as I know, KJ is happy where he is. He has ambitions like anybody else, but he is smart enough to know what is best in the long run.

As for London life, KJ comes down to London and party when he feels to. When Sunderland play in London he may or may not take the opportunity to stay over that night and hang out. His family is happy and settled, and friends often go up to the north east to hang out.

I usually get the 'tory long before the media break de news. lol And so far, there hasn't been a word on this. Just amusement at the interest and media hype, and maybe a bit of growing annoyance. lol
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: dinho on January 26, 2009, 04:48:50 PM
somehow ah find the rejection coming eh forthright enough from the Sunderland board and we eh hearing nutten from KJ himself.. he and all sounding kinda lukewarm about the whole scene..

i for one find this would be a shit move. Its not like he leaving for better right now, that Spurs ship sinking. I believe he would have much better options on the table at the end of the season.

All i looking to hear is a, "i'm not going anywhere, i'm happy here" from KJ, or a "he is not for sale!" from Quinn. We all no it doh matter what Sbragia say.

i hope this doh turn into a midnight deadline day deal.
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: WestCoast on January 26, 2009, 04:51:57 PM
somehow ah find the rejection coming eh forthright enough from the Sunderland board and we eh hearing nutten from KJ himself.. he and all sounding kinda lukewarm about the whole scene..

i for one find this would be a shit move. Its not like he leaving for better right now, that Spurs ship sinking. I believe he would have much better options on the table at the end of the season.

All i looking to hear is a, "i'm not going anywhere, i'm happy here" from KJ, or a "he is not for sale!" from Quinn. We all no it doh matter what Sbragia say.

i hope this doh turn into a midnight deadline day deal.
remember the last time he moved he did not play a game
well if he does not play against Fulham the rumour mill will be going stronger imho
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: kev on January 26, 2009, 04:57:39 PM
omarldinho  don't think its the end of it, interesting what redtrinigirl has said and as I have been saying for weeks about generating rumours.  The only thing KJ has reportedly said is in the video clip above which Sbragia says Quinn has spoken to Kenwyne about it, whether you care to believe it, its really upto you.

You really have to give it to Redknapp, he must smell the pressure heading his way after the Keane comments, and this is laughable, apparently despite hawking Bent inferring we are unsettling him :rotfl:

http://www.skysports.com/football/transfer_clockwatch/0,23710,14896,00.html?reloaded

Monday Transfer Clockwatch

Last updated: 26th January 2009


22.36 Tottenham boss Harry Redknapp has reacted to accusations of deliberately unsettling Kenwyne Jones by suggesting Sunderland have targeted Darren Bent.
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: kev on January 26, 2009, 04:59:45 PM
somehow ah find the rejection coming eh forthright enough from the Sunderland board and we eh hearing nutten from KJ himself.. he and all sounding kinda lukewarm about the whole scene..

i for one find this would be a shit move. Its not like he leaving for better right now, that Spurs ship sinking. I believe he would have much better options on the table at the end of the season.

All i looking to hear is a, "i'm not going anywhere, i'm happy here" from KJ, or a "he is not for sale!" from Quinn. We all no it doh matter what Sbragia say.

i hope this doh turn into a midnight deadline day deal.


remember the last time he moved he did not play a game
well if he does not play against Fulham the rumour mill will be going stronger imho


he will play, don't think it makes any difference Chimbonda played on Saturday and he's gone, Leadbetter was captain and he looks like going this week (although understandable given the circumstances)
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: kev on January 26, 2009, 05:07:31 PM
Sorry but this just appeared so you takes your choice on which version you believe, personally having seen Redknapp for a number of years do this it isn't him for me.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/tottenham/article5594062.ece

Harry Redknapp angered by Sunderland tactics

Tottenham Hotspur manager accuses the Wearside club of double standards over their bid to sign striker Darren Bent

Harry Redknapp accused Sunderland of double standards last night over their attempts to sign Darren Bent. The Tottenham Hotspur manager reacted angrily to Sunderland's charge that the North London club had led a concerted attempt to unsettle Kenwyne Jones by alleging that the Wearside club had pursued their interest in Bent without Spurs' knowledge and approval.

Tottenham, who entertain Stoke City at White Hart Lane tonight, had offered Bent in part exchange for Jones, the Trinidad & Tobago striker, during discussions between the clubs two weeks ago, but the deal appeared to have died when Sunderland insisted that Jones was not for sale. However, Redknapp claimed that Sunderland have been speaking to Bent's representatives about a possible transfer, after being told so by the forward.

“Darren came to see me to say, ‘I hear Sunderland want me, what do you know?'” Redknapp said. “I said, ‘I haven't spoken to anyone and if they are interested they will have to ring the chairman.' He said, ‘Well, my agent says they want me.' So someone is talking to someone. I could say they [Sunderland] have done the same thing to Darren Bent because his agent has obviously been talking to someone at Sunderland to know they are interested. So if they are mentioning Darren Bent, why are they mentioning Darren Bent? Is someone upsetting Darren Bent?”

The wrangle will strain further Redknapp's relationship with Bent, who was angered when his manager joked that his wife could have scored with the kind of free header that the striker missed against Portsmouth nine days ago.


Redknapp said that the club were encouraged to show interest in Jones because Sunderland had sent out mixed signals about the player's future. Tottenham were reported to have been prepared to pay £15 million for the player, who had moved from Southampton to Sunderland for £6million at the beginning of last season, but that deal appears to be dead. “Last night he [Daniel Levy, the Tottenham chairman] thought that Jones had signed a new contract at Sunderland, so I think the deal's off,” Redknapp said.

Responding to suggestions that Spurs had sought to unsettle Jones, Redknapp said that there had been discussions about a deal between the two chairmen. “I don't know why Niall Quinn is talking to Daniel if they don't want to sell him,” Redknapp said. “Why do you talk to someone if you don't want to sell someone?”

Jones is among a number of forwards whom Tottenham have tried unsuccessfully to sign, with the club drawing a blank in their efforts to lure Carlton Cole and Craig Bellamy to White Hart Lane.

Redknapp remains keen on Fred, the Brazil striker, whose agents have claimed that Tottenham have offered the player a 4-year contract worth £50,000 a week to sign from Lyons. The French side hope to receive £8million, with clubs in Spain interested, despite him being out of contract this summer.

Tottenham have, however, signed Pascal Chimbonda, the full back, from Sunderland and Carlo Cudicini, the goalkeeper, on a free transfer from Chelsea yesterday. Cudicini could make his debut against Stoke this evening because Heurelho Gomes is a doubt with a thigh injury. Chimbonda was not registered in time to play and Wilson Palacios, the midfield player who joined from Wigan Athletic last week, is suspended.

Stoke have used a four-day training camp in Dubai to integrate James Beattie, the forward, and Matthew Etherington, the former Tottenham left winger, who were signed this month. Both clubs are among the five teams languishing on 21 points at the foot of the table.

Tottenham Hotspur (possible; 4-4-2): C Cudicini — V Corluka, M Dawson, J Woodgate, B Assou-Ekotto — A Lennon, T Huddlestone, D Zokora, L Modric — J Defoe, R Pavlyuchenko.

Stoke City (possible; 4-4-2): T Sorensen — A Wilkinson, R Shawcross, Abdoulaye Faye, D Higginbotham — R Delap, G Whelan, Amdy Faye, M Etherington — R Cresswell, J Beattie.

Referee: M Riley.
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: WestCoast on January 26, 2009, 05:11:35 PM
I have frequently wondered why 'Arry ALWAYS has a "Stale Drunk" look :devil:
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: D.H.W on January 26, 2009, 05:12:25 PM
the heat is on
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: andre samuel on January 27, 2009, 04:17:58 AM
I think Harry is overdoing it.  If that article is to be believed, then he really likes to air his views on the public forum.

I do feel, however, that if Tottenham loses to stoke today, then he will lorse his wuk!!  But then again, who will they replace him with?  which manager wants to go there?

ah love it!!
Title: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Flex on January 27, 2009, 05:11:02 AM
Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
By: Graeme Anderson (Sunderland Echo).


Sunderland striker Kenwyne Jones will sign a new lucrative four-and-a-half-year deal today, the Echo understands. It is believed that the Black Cats have turned down a bid from Spurs which amounted to almost £20m.

The agreement will keep the powerhouse striker at the Stadium of Light until 2013 at least and provide the club with the time and space needed to fulfil Ricky Sbragia's plans of building a team around the Trinidad & Tobago international.

For Sunderland, it is a massive statement of intent that they are in the Premier League to compete with the elite, rather than just rub along.

And chairman Niall Quinn will also hope that the ambitious deal ends any speculation that the Wearsiders are to become a selling club in the wake of Pascal Chimbonda's £3m departure to Spurs yesterday afternoon.

Jones, a £6m signing from Southampton last summer, was last season's top scorer as Sunderland avoided relegation from the Premier League.

And this season he has scored seven goals in 12 starts since returning from a serious knee injury in November – a tally which has attracted the attention of clubs like Spurs and Aston Villa.

Spurs' pursuit of Jones in particular, has been determined, protracted and had an unsettling effect at Sunderland.

But the player's family is happy on Wearside, unlike Chimbonda's, and the lucrative contract for the striker has demonstrated how highly the club values him.

Although many newspapers were reporting this morning that Sunderland had turned down a £15m bid for the player, the reality is that the final deal put together to try prising the play away from Wearside was actually approaching a staggering £20m.

That would have dwarfed Sunderland's previous highest transfer sale – Michael Bridges' £5.5m transfer to Leeds United in 1999.

But Ricky Sbragia insisted on Saturday that the player was going nowhere and was adamant that he didn't want to sell his best players.

Likewise, Quinn is determined that Sunderland will not be cherry-picked of its most important talents, regardless of the fees involved.

For Quinn, Sbragia, Jones and Sunderland fans, the agreement of the new deal finally puts all the transfer talk to bed and allows the Black Cats to continue on their ongoing efforts to climb the Premier League table.

They host Fulham tonight in a game which Sbragia has targeted for all three points ahead of Sunday's derby game against Newcastle United and the visit of Stoke City to the Stadium of Light.

It will give Sunderland's 'new signing' his first opportunity to begin repaying Quinn and Sbragia's faith in him.
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: kev on January 27, 2009, 05:35:11 AM
Puts an end to the nonsense for another few months

I would imagine it has doubled his wages to somewhere in the region of £40-£50 K per week, probably the latter rather than the former

http://www.safc.com/news/?page_id=16711

Jones signs new deal


Striker Kenwyne Jones has signed a new deal at Sunderland.

The Trinidad and Tobago international has put pen-to-paper on a new four-and-a-half-year contract at the Stadium of Light.

Jones had attracted strong interest from a number of Premier League clubs but has today committed his long-term future to Sunderland in a deal that will keep him at the club until 2013.

Manager Ricky Sbragia said: "I'm absolutely delighted that Kenwyne has committed to the club for the long-term.

"He's young with a great future ahead of him and has already proven himself to be a key player for us. The fact that we've had interest from top clubs shows how much of an asset he is and it's fantastic that he will be a Sunderland player for many years to come."

Chairman Niall Quinn added: "We are building a team for the long-term and Kenwyne is a big part of that. In signing this new deal he's shown that he wants to be part of our future and believes in what Ricky and the Club are doing.

"In the current economic climate the figures banded around for Kenwyne have been staggering, but we have shown our intent to build a bigger and better club for the future by retaining our best players."

Jones joined Sunderland from Southampton in August 2007 and quickly became a favourite with Black Cats fans.

The 24-year-old striker has scored seven league and cup goals from 16 games so far this season after returning to action in October following rehabilitation from a serious knee injury.



27th January 2009 11:27
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: ckhan on January 27, 2009, 05:51:31 AM
Glad for him and the team. At least he has some stability now and can concentrate on the upcoming games.
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Tallman on January 27, 2009, 06:06:15 AM
(http://www.safc.com/uploads/images/jan_09/safc_1233056063_jones-signs.jpg)

(http://www.mysporttoday.co.uk/getEdImage.aspx?ImageID=2036218)
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 27, 2009, 06:46:35 AM
play yuh fittball son
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: truetrini on January 27, 2009, 06:47:34 AM
SUNDERLAND crazy to spend all dat money re-signing a man like Jones...steups, he cyar run off the ball, he has a poor first touch, does on occassion play like ah man sign by Smokey and Bunty United Winers, and he does real play shit n many days.

Not to mention dey turn down 20 million pounds for him?

who running dat club boy?

Trinis?
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: kev on January 27, 2009, 07:14:49 AM
SUNDERLAND crazy to spend all dat money re-signing a man like Jones...steups, he cyar run off the ball, he has a poor first touch, does on occassion play like ah man sign by Smokey and Bunty United Winers, and he does real play shit n many days.

Not to mention dey turn down 20 million pounds for him?

who running dat club boy?

Trinis?

Keep repeating to yourself,
I must not witter,
I must not witter,
I must not witter,
I must not witter,
I must not witter,
I must not witter

eventually you might get the message
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: palos on January 27, 2009, 07:18:58 AM
Hope for his sake dey doh get relegated.

Also trust that this 4 year contract will set he and he family up for life.
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Ngozi on January 27, 2009, 07:30:16 AM
I think he set up good they ..they obviously like him 50000 pounds a week he settle nice they   ..... now go on and handle this season son
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Mr Fix-it on January 27, 2009, 07:32:37 AM
(http://www.safc.com/uploads/images/jan_09/safc_1233056063_jones-signs.jpg)

(http://www.mysporttoday.co.uk/getEdImage.aspx?ImageID=2036218)


Dias de pen he use to sign with....Should have been ah Cross pen or something, damn thing look like ah cheap bic :rotfl: :devil: :beermug: :rotfl:

Go big Kev, show dem yu size
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: D.H.W on January 27, 2009, 07:37:12 AM
(http://www.safc.com/uploads/images/jan_09/safc_1233056063_jones-signs.jpg)

(http://www.mysporttoday.co.uk/getEdImage.aspx?ImageID=2036218)


Dias de pen he use to sign with....Should have been ah Cross pen or something, damn thing look like ah cheap bic :rotfl: :devil: :beermug: :rotfl:

Go big Kev, show dem yu size

is the recession  ::)
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: andre samuel on January 27, 2009, 07:49:18 AM
I hope he sends Harry Redknap a little cheque in the mail............lol

ah love it!!

Great news for him...

Question:  Is he the highest paid Caribbean player ever? I know that in Yorke's hayday, he was being paid 26,000 a week and that was the 7th or 8th highest in England.

ah love it again!!
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Ngozi on January 27, 2009, 07:58:23 AM
I hope he sends Harry Redknap a little cheque in the mail............lol

ah love it!!

Great news for him...

Question:  Is he the highest paid Caribbean player ever? I know that in Yorke's hayday, he was being paid 26,000 a week and that was the 7th or 8th highest in England.

ah love it again!!

actually I believe yorke was getting around 40 a week but times change big time
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: trini supporter on January 27, 2009, 07:59:18 AM
Congrats to the man :beermug:
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Jumbie on January 27, 2009, 08:08:29 AM
Nice!

As Sat mentioned... you and the family should be set up good now. All the best to KJ and the team he committed to.
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: SabreWolves on January 27, 2009, 08:09:10 AM
Do/can players have in their contracts that if their clubs bet relagated, they will be sold/released to another club?

Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Tallman on January 27, 2009, 08:16:42 AM
Do/can players have in their contracts that if their clubs bet relagated, they will be sold/released to another club?

Yes
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: kev on January 27, 2009, 08:20:03 AM
Do/can players have in their contracts that if their clubs bet relagated, they will be sold/released to another club?



I would imagine there is at a hefty (ish) fee, I would also imagine the club would sell if that happened anyway, all this will do is guarantee a bigger fee as the contract as so long to go. 

Heres a clip from his interview today on SSN about signing his contract if anybody is interested (taken from SAFC TV so the questions are benile)

http://www.skysports.com/video/clips/0,23791,12606_4856244,00.html?ssvTab=2&ssvSelectedTab=12600&ssvBasket=12606&ssvPage=1
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Jefferz on January 27, 2009, 08:24:18 AM
Do/can players have in their contracts that if their clubs bet relagated, they will be sold/released to another club?



I would imagine there is at a hefty (ish) fee, I would also imagine the club would sell if that happened anyway, all this will do is guarantee a bigger fee as the contract as so long to go. 
Heres a clip from his interview today on SSN about signing his contract if anybody is interested (taken from SAFC TV so the questions are benile)

http://www.skysports.com/video/clips/0,23791,12606_4856244,00.html?ssvTab=2&ssvSelectedTab=12600&ssvBasket=12606&ssvPage=1


pretty much it.
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: truetrini on January 27, 2009, 08:33:55 AM
SUNDERLAND crazy to spend all dat money re-signing a man like Jones...steups, he cyar run off the ball, he has a poor first touch, does on occassion play like ah man sign by Smokey and Bunty United Winers, and he does real play shit n many days.

Not to mention dey turn down 20 million pounds for him?

who running dat club boy?

Trinis?

Keep repeating to yourself,
I must not witter,
I must not witter,
I must not witter,
I must not witter,
I must not witter,
I must not witter

eventually you might get the message


ah hope yuh not a cyber stalker yuh know....why yuh after me so...like yuh want to sign me or what.

Keep repeating:

I does talk shit
I does talk shit
I does talk shit
I does talk shit
I does talk shit
i does talk shit

Eventually you will get tired...and go to sleep.

As I was saying Sunderland must be mad to pay ah player like Jones all dat money and say dey building side around him.

Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: madness on January 27, 2009, 08:38:02 AM
iam happy 4him
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: kev on January 27, 2009, 09:00:03 AM
SUNDERLAND crazy to spend all dat money re-signing a man like Jones...steups, he cyar run off the ball, he has a poor first touch, does on occassion play like ah man sign by Smokey and Bunty United Winers, and he does real play shit n many days.

Not to mention dey turn down 20 million pounds for him?

who running dat club boy?

Trinis?

Keep repeating to yourself,
I must not witter,
I must not witter,
I must not witter,
I must not witter,
I must not witter,
I must not witter

eventually you might get the message


ah hope yuh not a cyber stalker yuh know....why yuh after me so...like yuh want to sign me or what.

Keep repeating:

I does talk shit
I does talk shit
I does talk shit
I does talk shit
I does talk shit
i does talk shit

Eventually you will get tired...and go to sleep.

As I was saying Sunderland must be mad to pay ah player like Jones all dat money and say dey building side around him.



Giving how accurate you have been about what I have said, its about par for the course. :-*

For Christ sake man have SOME PRIDE be ORIGINAL at least, put some thought behind it come on you surely can do better than that (on 2nd thoughts given your attempts so far possibly not) ::)

PS If you stuck and want some ideas PM me I will help you out nee bother
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: fishs on January 27, 2009, 09:11:49 AM

 Sunderland is a rell shyte side, they building a team around KJ ?

 So they going an train everybody to pump long ball in de area ? lol
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: arrow on January 27, 2009, 09:15:57 AM
Stern is a far better striker, I don't know why he never get a contract so  ???
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: fishs on January 27, 2009, 09:20:30 AM
Stern is a far better striker, I don't know why he never get a contract so  ???

 Ah hear he turn down similar offers in the past so he could stay in the championship.
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Sam on January 27, 2009, 09:38:42 AM
Wonder if W Connection had any claw in his contract. They would have been living large all now....
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Small Magician aka Wazza on January 27, 2009, 09:42:56 AM
Good stuff KJ....It's the right decision.... only leave if a top 3 club come in for you...
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: 7 blessings on January 27, 2009, 09:57:22 AM
wow allyuh go fight down anybody yes.....man vex with ah team for valuing one ah we own players yes....aye KJ do yuh thing boi if man say u is crap....but a coach with football credentials say you have value...den who opinion have more weight...the man developing good, and he scoring, and i hope to see the man come and real buss up the net for the hex so that all ah allyuh wagonist dem go start to wag allyuh tongue and big up the man now...steups...i just hope Sunderland invest in a midfield that can give the man some nice lil ball instead ah this boom kick in the box cause he tall crap.

Bless
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: acb on January 27, 2009, 10:19:32 AM
nice Breitling!!

... was Ricky Sbragia in No Country for Old Men?
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: triniairman on January 27, 2009, 11:15:07 AM
Yuh would swear some people on here does pay KJ salary... So what!!! if he stays with Sunderland. The man and his agent knows what's best for him and his family.
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: acb on January 27, 2009, 11:21:43 AM
Yuh would swear some people on here does pay KJ salary... So what!!! if he stays with Sunderland. The man and his agent knows what's best for him and his family.


Ahhhemmmm ..... this is the forum that big up KJ to the point where Spurs Scouts pick up on the hype.

We waiting for the Forum cut.
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Bakes on January 27, 2009, 11:27:44 AM
wow allyuh go fight down anybody yes.....man vex with ah team for valuing one ah we own players yes....aye KJ do yuh thing boi if man say u is crap....but a coach with football credentials say you have value...den who opinion have more weight...the man developing good, and he scoring, and i hope to see the man come and real buss up the net for the hex so that all ah allyuh wagonist dem go start to wag allyuh tongue and big up the man now...steups...i just hope Sunderland invest in a midfield that can give the man some nice lil ball instead ah this boom kick in the box cause he tall crap.

Bless

I don't see it as a "fight down"... more a realistic assessment.  I'm happy for Kenwyne, but I'm not sure he's worth that price.  Imagine if Sunderland was definitely headed for relegation and one of the Big Four came calling for his services... if Sunderland insisted on £20 million for him 90% of the people on this board would be calling them "crazy", "greedy" and "bad mind" for deny KJ a chance at a bigger club.  But that's Sunderland's problem.

Happy for Kenwyne.
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Coop's on January 27, 2009, 11:30:34 AM
I am so glad and proud of Kenwyne,what people don't understand is when,how,where and why he get this deal is irrelevant,he got a deal and we should be all glad for him,nothing is better than when you can make that kind of money doing the thing you love,if we can just pause for a Minuit and check the players today who in that bracket we must commend Kenwyne on this achievement,our icon Latapy never got any where near that,well done Kenwyne just continue to do your do and make us proud.
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Quags on January 27, 2009, 11:47:33 AM
Me eint see any criticism or fight down attal ,alyah is be seeing things or what  ??? ,I see sarcasm  .I think u guys is imagining things and posting oui .
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: makaveli on January 27, 2009, 01:06:16 PM
Stern is a far better striker, I don't know why he never get a contract so  ???

lol....u serious?
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: andre samuel on January 27, 2009, 01:46:34 PM
Stern is a far better striker, I don't know why he never get a contract so  ???

lol....u serious?

Bullseye!! Another one bites the dust...........lol

ah love it!!
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: freakazoid on January 27, 2009, 02:09:43 PM
so jones getting 2 million tt ah month? or is my maths off
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Daft Trini on January 27, 2009, 02:24:29 PM
Who see his big grin when we was signing the deal  ;D

He deserves it... KJ and Scotty go light up concacaf! and we have Kendal also  :devil:
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Deeks on January 27, 2009, 03:36:55 PM
It does not matter if Stern better than KJ or KJ better than Scotty. We have three good strikers. We have good options. The problem is our mid-field. If we don't resolve that issue. KJ, Scotty,Stern, Cornell would not be able to do nothing. Our biggest issue is mid-field and defence. If Mats and Latas can resolve that, they will get the order of TT.

Congrats to KJ on his contract signing. It would have been nice for him to go to Spurs, But Sunderland wants him bad. The are willing to pay 50,000 a week to keep him. If that is the case, then he is worth every penny. KJ boy, I "envy" you. God Speed.
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: MEP on January 27, 2009, 04:20:06 PM
well look trouble now..Sunderland playing Stoke ob the 7th will he be released before that for the game on the 11th.......
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Fyzoman on January 27, 2009, 04:36:04 PM
Me eint see any criticism or fight down attal ,alyah is be seeing things or what  ??? ,I see sarcasm  .I think u guys is imagining things and posting oui .

yuh know at first i and all thought was sarcasm, but i realize men serious...dat is the beauty of de forum (and life) it takes all kinds...how in this world someone could question some friggin english club for throwing money at one ah we own for playing ah GAME he love, well i just don't know what to say....but again dat is de beauty of de forum, KJ big up yuhself!!!!!
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: WestCoast on January 27, 2009, 04:52:13 PM
adios Spurs
enjoy the Championship
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Bakes on January 27, 2009, 05:02:52 PM
yuh know at first i and all thought was sarcasm, but i realize men serious...dat is the beauty of de forum (and life) it takes all kinds...how in this world someone could question some friggin english club for throwing money at one ah we own for playing ah GAME he love, well i just don't know what to say....but again dat is de beauty of de forum, KJ big up yuhself!!!!!

It's called being objective. I don't expect you to understand the concept... few do on this forum.
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Fyzoman on January 27, 2009, 09:51:08 PM
yuh know at first i and all thought was sarcasm, but i realize men serious...dat is the beauty of de forum (and life) it takes all kinds...how in this world someone could question some friggin english club for throwing money at one ah we own for playing ah GAME he love, well i just don't know what to say....but again dat is de beauty of de forum, KJ big up yuhself!!!!!

It's called being objective. I don't expect you to understand the concept... few do on this forum.

like ah say bredda dat is de beauty of de forum, men who understands concepts, men who don't...once again KJ big up self!
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: dinho on January 27, 2009, 10:02:39 PM
objectively speaking, 50k a week is par for the course for a EPL franchise player.

This is a great day for TT football.

One of our own has been rewarded with a lucrative contract, but more importantly the team has signalled their intentions to build the team around him. That is about the biggest vote of confidence you could get from a team and I hope it Spurs KJ on to realize his limitless potential.
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Bakes on January 27, 2009, 10:57:19 PM
like ah say bredda dat is de beauty of de forum, men who understands concepts, men who don't...once again KJ big up self!

Objectivity allows you to distance yourself from the situation and ask tough question w/o bias, no?

Ent really have anything to do with KJ himself... I couldn't be happier for the yute.
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: kev on January 28, 2009, 05:21:25 AM
objectively speaking, 50k a week is par for the course for a EPL franchise player.

This is a great day for TT football.

One of our own has been rewarded with a lucrative contract, but more importantly the team has signalled their intentions to build the team around him. That is about the biggest vote of confidence you could get from a team and I hope it Spurs KJ on to realize his limitless potential.


For a top 6 prem player average I think is about £30K
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: dinho on January 28, 2009, 06:49:46 AM
objectively speaking, 50k a week is par for the course for a EPL franchise player.

This is a great day for TT football.

One of our own has been rewarded with a lucrative contract, but more importantly the team has signalled their intentions to build the team around him. That is about the biggest vote of confidence you could get from a team and I hope it Spurs KJ on to realize his limitless potential.


For a top 6 prem player average I think is about £30K

EPL Franchise player...

you know the kind you build your team around?

by the way kev, what did you think of the performance yesterday? I know they win, so you must think the performance must have been below par. j/k  ;D
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Tallman on January 28, 2009, 07:22:35 AM
Kenwyne speaks: http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid958992159/bctid9201216001
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: andre samuel on January 28, 2009, 07:27:51 AM
Nice interview kenwyne.......he talking and smiling/blushing.  He just showing the world how "cool" he is...lol.

ah love it!!

nb: nice to hear de trini accent!!
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: kev on January 28, 2009, 07:45:07 AM
objectively speaking, 50k a week is par for the course for a EPL franchise player.

This is a great day for TT football.

One of our own has been rewarded with a lucrative contract, but more importantly the team has signalled their intentions to build the team around him. That is about the biggest vote of confidence you could get from a team and I hope it Spurs KJ on to realize his limitless potential.




For a top 6 prem player average I think is about £30K

EPL Franchise player...

you know the kind you build your team around?

by the way kev, what did you think of the performance yesterday? I know they win, so you must think the performance must have been below par. j/k  ;D

Sorry didn't understand what you meant (too Americanised for me)

See the game thread for my view.
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: Sando on January 28, 2009, 09:43:21 AM
Harry Rednapp and Alex McLeish had Jones to his pleasure once, he let him go and now he sorry....

Same with Man-Utd when Jones, Forbes and Blackman went on trial....
Title: Re: Cats reject £20m Spurs bid as Jones signs new deal.
Post by: acb on January 28, 2009, 10:10:28 AM
Harry Rednapp and Alex McLeish had Jones to his pleasure once, he let him go and now he sorry....

Same with Man-Utd when Jones, Forbes and Blackman went on trial....

... and it have men who does come here and bawl Man U coaches are the best at spotting young talent.
Title: Tottenham line up new offer for Sunderland's Kenwyne Jones
Post by: Tallman on May 19, 2009, 08:25:29 PM
Tottenham line up new offer for Sunderland's Kenwyne Jones
The Guardian


Tottenham Hotspur are set to revive their interest in the Sunderland striker Kenwyne Jones in the summer, though their prospects of signing the Trinidad & Tobago forward may depend upon whether the Wearsiders are able to retain their Premier League status this weekend.

A sloppy defeat at Portsmouth on Monday night left Ricky Sbragia's side needing to beat Chelsea at the Stadium of Light on Sunday to ensure they remain in the top flight. A loss, combined with victories for Hull City and Newcastle United, would drag Sunderland back into the Championship and, while that grim prospect is unlikely to deter the Irish-American businessman Ellis Short from taking over the club at the end of the season, relegation would impact upon the playing staff.

Jones, who scored his 11th goal of the season at Portsmouth, was the subject of interest from Spurs in the mid-winter window but signed a four-and-a-half-year contract at the end of January.

However, he was non-committal when asked if he would honour that deal should the Wearsiders go down. "If we stay up, of course I'll stay," he said. "I've committed myself to the club. If we stay up, I am definitely going to be here. But, if we go down, I can't say what's going to happen tomorrow.

"Obviously things do happen in those situations. Tottenham have been linked with me quite strongly. I can only focus on the job I have now, trying my best and playing well to keep the club up. I just have to work hard and do the best I can for Sunderland."

Upheaval is expected in the summer, regardless of which division the club end up in, with Sbragia – who replaced Roy Keane as manager in December on an 18-month deal – expected to return to a coaching role at the Stadium of Light as Short secures a high-profile replacement. The chairman, Niall Quinn, has indicated that the manager's position will be "reviewed" once the season has concluded, with players – most notably the on-loan striker Djibril Cissé – also expected to move on.

Jones remains the side's principal asset, despite admitting that he has struggled for form and fitness throughout his second season at the club. "It's not necessarily been my best season," he conceded. "It's been interrupted by injuries. I've been carrying niggles all season. I only recently started to feel 100% fit again. Hopefully I can at least do a job until the end of the season and look forward to next season. But, first of all, I have to do the job at hand."

That hinges upon defeating Chelsea – a draw might not be enough should the sides below them win – with Sunderland's players conceding the task ahead is daunting. "We cannot look for any excuses," added the midfielder Teemu Tainio. "We have had more than enough chances to win our last two games and get the club safe. We are bitterly disappointed not to get the points we need (at Portsmouth), but the only thing now is to believe that we can beat Chelsea.

"It is not the finish any of us wanted, but this is what we have left to do and we have to face a big challenge. The other teams have tough games also but we do not want to come off the pitch on Sunday asking what the other scores are. We have to get the job done."

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/columnists/2009/5/19/1242755028330/Kenwyne-Jones-001.jpg)
Title: Re: Sbragia scuppers Jones' Tottenham move
Post by: kev on May 20, 2009, 01:23:32 AM
Don't think it matters what happens tbh I think he will be sold in the summer anyway providing the price is right.

Kenwyne has always been very coy / careful on his future in interviews and there is nothing wrong with that at all, however he would of been better keeping his mouth shut until after the weekend on this though as the fans will not take a great view on it either way Sunday ends up.

As for Sbragia well he has to go and to be truthful he shouldn't even be a coach at the club, I was complaining about the coaching, lack of organistaion etc before he became manager when he was the coach under Keane, I have seen any changes since he became manager indeed the performances have dropped since the players have no "fear factor" that Keane provided and obviously some of the players need. 
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