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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Sam on April 01, 2009, 08:15:48 PM
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Keep, Stern John, Dennis Lawrence, Keyeno Thomas, Keon Daniel, Chris Birchall, Clyde Leon and Carlos Edwards.
We experiment with Anthony Wolfe a week before an important game and we saw his weakness against a better team, not that he was bad, but he is better on the attacking role. We waste a sub bringing on Hislop for Wolfe, imagine we need goals and this fool bring on a defender.
USA made us look like babies. They use a simple text book training on us. I cant understand we cant even get ONE clear shot on goal, not even one CLEAR shot on a side who El Salvador make look ordinary.
Aklie Edwards is 100% shit. He played one good game vs Honduras in his whole career. I feel he should grab that MLS offer before he end up with nothing.
Kenwyne Jones is a boy in a big man's body. De simple things he cant do, forget service.
Jack Warner is not the clown, Maturana is. Any foul could see we needed some organization in midfield, Latapy was the man to bring on.
Julius James, Avery John, Cyd Gray, Collin Samuel, Tony Warner, Cornell Glen, Darryl Roberts, Aurtis Whitley, Kelvin Jack, Marvin Andrews and Brent Sancho expect a call soon.
Football is so simple, T&T make it look hard as they CANT even get the simple fundementals right, trapping, shoooting, passing and marking.
We unfit and we under prepared. We team make USA look like Brazil. I cant understand how we could never get we act together especially vs USA. Forget de lost, we play like shit.
Imagine de 100s of fans who travel thousands of miles and spend 100s of dollars just to see this let down how they must be feeling.
PS: USA 19 year olds was LAUGHING at we. Some BIG hard stones creole making some little kakahole run through them. Shamless !!! .. We under 20 team shoulda play instead....
More to follow, ah drunk....
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isn't latapy assistant coach - if he thought he should come on he would have
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Why substitute a defender at half time when you are down one goal? Did we make a mistake on the initial selection?
Why take off Chris Birchall when he was the hardest working man on the field?
Why play Birchall defensive midfield when he has a 40 yard rocket?
Why not substitue Kenwyn Jones when he added nothing for 90 minutes?
Why not bring on Latapy at halftime?
Why not play Stern John in midfield? Stern John's position is no longer an offensive player (he played well tonight) but he needs to do like Dwight Yorke and switch to midfield. He is a good passer of the ball.
Why not put Stern John in the midfield (it should not be hard to find a midfield player to leave home), and add Cornell Glen to the team.
Why is Brent Sancho not on the team?
Why is Colin Samuel not on the team?
Why is that C%#$ still the head coach?
This coach does not have a clue as to what he is doing!
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U drunk till u vomitin u mentio Sancho and Jack. Say the followin
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
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As a die hard fan of my National Team, I want to see good Trini football, even if we lose. Please give give meh something positive to talk about after the game nah.
They call me Triniairman and I want to see GOOD FOOTBALL, SO HEAR MY VOICE.
1. Fire that clueless coach
2. Latapy either start the game or come on rell early in the second half pleaase.
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What voices d so call diehards eh support d blacklisted players and dem bring we d greatest joy a WC.
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Guilty as charged to the Warriors for the manner in which they played tonight....... all man.
We get exposed in the defence the midfield the offense.
I mean this was one of the most humiliating display of football. What positives do you take away from this game?
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Guilty as charged to the Warriors for the manner in which they played tonight....... all man.
We get exposed in the defence the midfield the offense.
I mean this was one of the most humiliating display of football. What positives do you take away from this game?
I positive we play crappppppppppppppppppp.
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Piss poor effort by T&T. No heart no fight only a few players was trying to fight it i.e. Stern & Carlos. Even though Akile Edwards play shit he didn't get any help as usual from Keon Daniel who like he don't know the importance of tracking back when we don't have the ball. With no leadership on the field them man look lost at sea. USA play FOOTBALL and tear us apart. We always talking about how much skilled players we have but good is all that skill if you can't do the fundamental things, which the USA displayed.
And for Mr. Jones I don't know what going on with he, Stern outshine him again. IF MATURANA DON'T GET FIRED WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK THEN WE LOVE TO LOSE!!!!!!!!! How the fack you go say we had a good first half and be happy with that. Like you sitting on the bench with blind folds. His lack of communication due to the language barrier is ah BIG FACKING PROBLEM!!!!
We need a local coach who knows our culture and the way we should play. Latapy need to be given a chance to show what he can do. Man I so facking pissed right now. I going and watch Honduras put 2 more goal in Mexico ass dey. FACK IT!!!
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We lucky we ent collect bout 6.
I feeling real shame.
Again is not because we lorse I vex...is HOW WE LORSE.
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keep an eye on Jack Warner.
it was at this juncture last time we made the switch.
We had 1 pt after 3 games (2 home), including a 5-1 battering in Guatemala.
Theoretically, we a little better off this time still.
But is JW.
The display tonight is more worrisome than the result.
Deep down, true football fans here knew we could not beat the US in the US, just like beat Mexico in Mexico.
Its possible, but not probable.
We patriotically hoped for an upset, but u make your own luck.
In 2005, under Beenie, we lost 0-1 to USA in the US and looked competitive.
We lost 0-2 to Mexico in Mexico, but looked a class better than we did tonight.
The performance tonight reminds me of the 5-1 result away to Guatemala.
We were embarrased.
We expect the USA to beat us at home, but not embarass us...them flikking men was playing around on top the box to set up Altidore (cornel glen's twin brother)for his hattrick.
Costa Rica is nothing short of 3 pts.
Anything less and we as good as out, unless the other results keep us mathematically in, cause most likely we will be beaten in Mexico City on June 10th.
Costa Rica - June 6th, 2008....
Panama - June 5, 2005....
Make or break.
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Guilty as charged to the Warriors for the manner in which they played tonight....... all man.
We get exposed in the defence the midfield the offense.
I mean this was one of the most humiliating display of football. What positives do you take away from this game?
nah mid and offense wasn't exposed tonight only the defense...they played tentative because they knew that the outside defenders had a monopoly on shyte....
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Big men with no pride and heart let a 19 year old grasp their dreams.
(http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/images/2008/02/12/jozy_altidore_isi_photos.jpg)
Ah hope this picture doh give them nightmares too
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it was VERY hard not to change that channel tonight.
can't say anything else, a scout may be reading.
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KJ making it hard for me to argue for him but... I still don't want to see him out of our squad he has the right stuff just hoping for it to show up quick cause he won't get a break on this forum for sure we expect alot from him.
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Maturana needs to go!! It was emabrrassing to watch..especially defensively.
There was no organization to our play. There was no leadership or accountability on the field...If he had to take Birchall off the Latas should have been the man to come on to create chances while bringing stability to the middle.
BAD COACHING!!!
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For a team hoping to play against the big boys in the World cup, our players are unable to do the basic things: 1. collect the ball without fumbling it,
2. make accurate passes,
3. move in space to collect the ball,
4. close down the player with the ball forcing him to make a play.
What is hell is the coach seeing that we as fans not seeing?
No one can convince me that this is the best team we can put on the field.
Why is a hard working player like Daryl Roberts not playing?
Why is Cornel Glen, a speedy player who always threatens defenders not selected to at least come off the bench?
Why is Hyland who looked better than all the midfielders exept Carlos Edwards not starting?
Why is Julius James not selected given the horrors in the defense game after game?
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
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Guilty as charged to the Warriors for the manner in which they played tonight....... all man.
We get exposed in the defence the midfield the offense.
I mean this was one of the most humiliating display of football. What positives do you take away from this game?
I positive we play crappppppppppppppppppp.
positive: we didn't collect 6 like argentina.
they have real cleaning to do on LP field in Nashville tonight. T&T dump a large load ah mess there.
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We lucky we ent collect bout 6.
I feeling real shame.
Again is not because we lorse I vex...is HOW WE LORSE.
EXACTLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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isn't latapy assistant coach - if he thought he should come on he would have
Breds I think that pace was too much for Latas at this stage of he career.
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He keeping akile and wolfe because He's a fudge packer....
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He keeping akile and wolfe because He's a fudge packer....
Seriously. Dat necessary? Steupes. :loser:
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isn't latapy assistant coach - if he thought he should come on he would have
Breds I think that pace was too much for Latas at this stage of he career.
Don't agree you don't necessarily need pace if the others provide it.
Latas brings leadership and distribution that is just not there in the middle (without yorke and even he getting down). KJ can't trap or for that matter even chest trap a ball. Stern looked decent but midfield is not a place i will put him.
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this thread just wrong man
but dat doh make it any less funny :devil:
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Now..if we played the entire game like we played the first half i'd be quite disheartened...BUT up until the second goal went..we were in this game in the second half...
wen that goal scored i realised the US beats us the same way every time..it's not bout talent ..it about a plan..
THEY always play our weaknesses early get a goal..then look for a second mistake...in this case it was our wingbacks..more notably anthony wolfe...
alot of people will knock akile for his performance and at times he din do himself any favours but..the truth is he was done not clint dempsey (who should have been his main mark) but the overlapping right wingback heiduk... dempsey actually din have that great a game..
the first goal was not his fault..anyone blaming that goal on him is being harsh..yes alitidore was his mark on the play..but the table was set for taht goal by thomas or wolfe's error on missing the 50/50 header with ching and NOT recovering...
only stern and on occassions carlos actually turned up in the first 45...dennis was lucky that his error din let donovan score a second...
the second half...makan for wolfe..it added some solidity to the defence to a point...our defensive shape was better...daniel was even making more of an effort to be a presence in the back... and this allowed us to nullify the constant actacks for the first 20 mins of the second...and with hyland's energy and enterprise allowed us to attack because we actual had an offensive presence in the middle..
i don't understand why Hyland din start...Hyland is a very versatile player..he can play DM, CM, AM or on either flank because he can use both feet..Maturana fumbled here
and i think he fumbled with who he took off for hyland as well...birchall was better than leon for me..but leon stayed on...
We had three great opportunities to equalise...daniel's freekick..which he took to long to take and the subsequent followup he could have done better on...
Stern's mistrap off the great run from Carlos....
but the one we ought to have scored was KJ...hyland and daniel linked well on the left..he cuts it back in..stern dummies..which takes two defenders out of the play and kenwyne has to pick a corner...he puts it up and over...
then the US scores..and this goal is the fault of makan..or rather his lack of pace...i suspected this may have been an issue wid the sub...wolfe pace would have allowed him to recover on that play..but the wolfe was giving up in the first.. either way..donavon got past makan far too easy but both central defenders were well beaten by alitidore...thomas and lawrence were probably guilty of selling themselves a bit there..
and that was the game...
scotty for daniel was not a good sub bcuz it ended whatever shape we had and contributed to the last goal..which ince should have saved to be honest...
The positives : We can play better
The negatives: I don't think our players know that as yet...
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He keeping akile and wolfe because He's a fudge packer....
Seriously. Dat necessary? Steupes. :loser:
Cosign and a LOUDDDDDDDDDDD STEUPSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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Poor team selection, poor game strategy/tactics, poor substitutions = terrible coach. Why are wasting money on this man, I don't know. After firing so many coaches after one or two losses, to keep this man is a travesty.
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HA HA HA Agreed a fudge packer what is that anyways
name suits him just fine
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Don't agree you don't necessarily need pace if the others provide it.
Latas brings leadership and distribution that is just not there in the middle (without yorke and even he getting down). KJ can't trap or for that matter even chest trap a ball. Stern looked decent but midfield is not a place i will put him.
Dis is England all over again. Latas had no business coming in the game two goals down... end of story.
It was clear we needed a change at LB and needed more punch up front... the tactics we needed at the time didn't support bringing Latas on.
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at least no A.EDWARDS next gamehopefully who ever full in should take that spot :beermug:
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imagine no latas, akile and wolfe are shithongs, we should not play 442, its a waste of time, 451 is the best for us, we look 100 times better, plus we need a strong mid, we couldnt string together more than 8 passes tonight bc of the mid, jones like i said before cant dribble the ball, bring back glen and roberts and bench stern and scotty.
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This game was a waste of time. Daiel look like he did not even want to be on the field. Stern start shouting up Akile from the get go. Carlos Edwards and Daniel like they fraid to push forward. Thomas like he cannot head a proper ball. Wolfe couldn't catch a cold if he had one. Stern feel he too big.
The coach is ah serious mad man and like Latapy eh give ah shyte to be allowing the kind of things to be happening the way it happening.
We lost in the midfield, the space between the mids and the forwards gaping and we 2 mids playing flat. Then what Latapy and Maturana do? They sub Birchall. Idiots bothof them Screw all you Latapy fans. We keep Stern on the field and finish the game in a 4-2-4. Maturana and Latapy have to be smoking crack. We never had the midfield, but you will play a 4-2-4. IDIOTS.
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I am truely embarrassed. I am speechless. It wasn't the fact that we lost 3-0, but how we lost. We need to have more urgency on the field, more heart, more courage. :(
Kingman
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This game was a waste of time. Daiel look like he did not even want to be on the field. Stern start shouting up Akile from the get go. Carlos Edwards and Daniel like they fraid to push forward. Thomas like he cannot head a proper ball. Wolfe couldn't catch a cold if he had one. Stern feel he too big.
The coach is ah serious mad man and like Latapy eh give ah shyte to be allowing the kind of things to be happening the way it happening.
We lost in the midfield, the space between the mids and the forwards gaping and we 2 mids playing flat. Then what Latapy and Maturana do? They sub Birchall. Idiots bothof them Screw all you Latapy fans. We keep Stern on the field and finish the game in a 4-2-4. Maturana and Latapy have to be smoking crack. We never had the midfield, but you will play a 4-2-4. IDIOTS.
Why latapy must tell the coach what to do ???,he assiast if the coach ask ,why latas must save he job for him ?
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This game was a waste of time. Daiel look like he did not even want to be on the field. Stern start shouting up Akile from the get go. Carlos Edwards and Daniel like they fraid to push forward. Thomas like he cannot head a proper ball. Wolfe couldn't catch a cold if he had one. Stern feel he too big.
The coach is ah serious mad man and like Latapy eh give ah shyte to be allowing the kind of things to be happening the way it happening.
We lost in the midfield, the space between the mids and the forwards gaping and we 2 mids playing flat. Then what Latapy and Maturana do? They sub Birchall. Idiots bothof them Screw all you Latapy fans. We keep Stern on the field and finish the game in a 4-2-4. Maturana and Latapy have to be smoking crack. We never had the midfield, but you will play a 4-2-4. IDIOTS.
Why latapy must tell the coach what to do ???,he assiast if the coach ask ,why latas must save he job for him ?
You joking right. So then according to you Latapy should not care about we winning or losing. Latapy is and Assistant coach tell the man where we lapsing. The assistant is to support the head coach in helping him be successful. What happen to loyalty. This is why Head Coach picks their assistant.
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This game was a waste of time. Daiel look like he did not even want to be on the field. Stern start shouting up Akile from the get go. Carlos Edwards and Daniel like they fraid to push forward. Thomas like he cannot head a proper ball. Wolfe couldn't catch a cold if he had one. Stern feel he too big.
The coach is ah serious mad man and like Latapy eh give ah shyte to be allowing the kind of things to be happening the way it happening.
We lost in the midfield, the space between the mids and the forwards gaping and we 2 mids playing flat. Then what Latapy and Maturana do? They sub Birchall. Idiots bothof them Screw all you Latapy fans. We keep Stern on the field and finish the game in a 4-2-4. Maturana and Latapy have to be smoking crack. We never had the midfield, but you will play a 4-2-4. IDIOTS.
Why latapy must tell the coach what to do ???,he assiast if the coach ask ,why latas must save he job for him ?
You joking right. So then according to you Latapy should not care about we winning or losing. Latapy is and Assistant coach tell the man where we lapsing. The assistant is to support the head coach in helping him be successful. What happen to loyalty. This is why Head Coach picks their assistant.
Therein lies d problem Mats eh select Latas. So God alone know d dynamics of dey relationship
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Yeah all true ,but 2 things 1.Mats say he look as latas as a player ..he said that many times daiz ah diss ,why should latas ,jump and save him if he not being asked .
2. You ever see a head coach get fired ,and the assist hired come with his own ideas and views ? Yah cant tell everybody your plans ,cause you will forever be an assistant.
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Guilty as charged to the Warriors for the manner in which they played tonight....... all man.
We get exposed in the defence the midfield the offense.
I mean this was one of the most humiliating display of football. What positives do you take away from this game?
That hopefully JW will lose his patience with Mats?? :praying:
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Guilty as charged to the Warriors for the manner in which they played tonight....... all man.
We get exposed in the defence the midfield the offense.
I mean this was one of the most humiliating display of football. What positives do you take away from this game?
That hopefully JW will lose his patience with Mats?? :praying:
D J is Job not Jack because he have reallllllllllllll patience
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One more thing ,if you have an incompetent boss would you continually keep baling him out ,which only help prevent you from being promoted ?
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One more thing ,if you have an incompetent boss would you continually keep baling him out ,which only help prevent you from being promoted ?
Good pt. Happens all d time
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The way I see things, Maturana is trying to put us under the ground. It took us 20 years to get to this point, from 1989 to 2009 and Maturana has no idea what he's doing. Kenwyn Jones needs to take out that gold in his f_cking hair and learn to control the ball. Latapy need to stop playing f_cking coach and start playing and keep in mind that the friend friend thing have to stop. Why is Colin Samuel not on the team? Obviously we need help on the left and put Daniels in the center where he is best. We have what it takes to be the best team in the world, we just have to have a coach with vision e.g. Leo Beenhakker took Carlos Edwards from mid-field and put him in a left back so that we would have someone with speed and attacking ability from the back. Kenwyn Jones was originally a defender and just like reverse psychology, he is detrimental in front. Dennis Lawrence is also very promising in front. If we have a coach that can identify a player's talent and be able to place them in the right position according to our opponents, we will see great results. The USA coach took Beasly that plays a left wing and put him in the left back to compete with the speed of Carlos Edwards. It's little things like this that keep us looking worse than the last secondary school team in the Bahamas, not even Trinidad. The players made me proud and they have my support all the way but if Maturana stays, we will surely go 20 years back.
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One more thing ,if you have an incompetent boss would you continually keep baling him out ,which only help prevent you from being promoted ?
I agree with all your points, but he have to stand up and be counted or resign.
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No you dont resign for that ,an assist learns from a head coach ,you dont teach a head coach ,and you don continually upstage a head coach .
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No you dont resign for that ,an assist learns from a head coach ,you dont teach a head coach ,and you don continually upstage a head coach .
So be a yes man?
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lemme be brief as possible..
daniel need ah break on d bench for a game/ couple of games to tink bout it
aside from hislop tackle on beasley....can someone plz kick sumbody to f**k down!! take a card send a msg do f**kin sumting..plz!!! i seein american men bouncin ball around we like dey have zero respect, u kiddin me?? a sport dey have no respect 4?? how shameful is it dat dey beatin us at a game we live n die for?? (doh wanna hear d population size as bein an issue, doh wanna hear it!!)
we aint beatin NOBODY if all d strikers we have jus wanna take it n lay it back for midfielders; or n dats when dey do take it clean eh cuz certain men have cement in dey boots!! Glenn, Roberts, Samuel, even Forbes..we need men who want to turn n face defenders and willin to take dem on; hence creatin dey own chances, since we dont have a creative midfielder (who cud play 90mins)
and lastly was 1 of d 1st tings u learn in football??? IF YOU CANNOT WIN...DEN MAKE SURE U DO NOT LOSE!!! and i not blamin dem eh but in odder words defenders plz try n keep us in d game, not cuz d attackers not scorin means u can allow 3 goals..WE CANT SCORE, DEY CANT SCORE!!
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No you dont resign for that ,an assist learns from a head coach ,you dont teach a head coach ,and you don continually upstage a head coach .
So be a yes man?
What Latas learnin from Mats spanish?
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embarrassing
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Would have love to see one good cross and some good tackles.
Stern did his best...
Akile....hmmm.
I real depressed oui... is like an abusive relationship... whe yuh think it getting better is blows right round the corner.
JW have Bruce Arena number???
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I wud like to know what peeps see in KJ .This youth making big big bucks and is GOAT .Yes all yuh hear meh correct .GOAT ah say !! Yet still it have nuff threads carrying down Stern .Is eedah some peeps here blind or just have no idead about de game .
I wud like to know what has KJ ever done for TnT football, on de pitch and after tonite performance which striker wud you want on your side if yuh playing for ah $billion .
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I wud like to know what peeps see in KJ .This youth making big big bucks and is GOAT .Yes all yuh hear meh correct .GOAT ah say !! Yet still it have nuff threads carrying down Stern .Is eedah some peeps here blind or just have no idead about de game .
I wud like to know what has KJ ever done for TnT football, on de pitch and after tonite performance which striker wud you want on your side if yuh playing for ah $billion .
JOnes wukking hard and putting pressuer on defenders and Stern not helping him at all. How many balls KJ flick on for Stern and Stern taking in the breath taking views. I tell you you have agenda in supporting Stern.
Talking Shyte. KJ was much better than Stern Tonight.
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Greatest Of All Time ? GOAT
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stern a goat when he ready i still trying 2 figure when he last scored a goal... KJ had his moments he dont have it right now but he one of our most promising youths, hope he stay focus and improve his play... dramatically...
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Berris it late... both ah dem ah worth ah pint of piss...
Stern played better though..
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aside from hislop tackle on beasley....can someone plz kick sumbody to f**k down!! take a card send a msg do f**kin sumting..plz!!! i seein american men bouncin ball around we like dey have zero respect, u kiddin me?? a sport dey have no respect 4?? how shameful is it dat dey beatin us at a game we live n die for?? (doh wanna hear d population size as bein an issue, doh wanna hear it!!)
Help mih out here... what we kicking dong man for... the sake ah kicking dong man?? How about we just learn tuh facking defend and put een ah tackle?
And dis shit about de Americans "have no respect 4" football... is dat why dey cutting we ass leff and right? De American players eh have no respect fuh de game? Yuh think dem man and dem doh live and die fuh football too?
steups... dat is we biggest facking problem as ah people... we feel somebody owe we something. No matter how much cut-ass we get going and coming allyuh man still climbing out de woodwork wid dis bullshit talk about how de Americans so inferior... we live and die fuh football it in we vein but dem just learn it from fukking PlayStation. And we can't make ah single note against dem.
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I wud like to know what peeps see in KJ .This youth making big big bucks and is GOAT .Yes all yuh hear meh correct .GOAT ah say !! Yet still it have nuff threads carrying down Stern .Is eedah some peeps here blind or just have no idead about de game .
I wud like to know what has KJ ever done for TnT football, on de pitch and after tonite performance which striker wud you want on your side if yuh playing for ah $billion .
You carrying on like dem emotional jackass and dem who does cry down Stern... yuh know better dan dat. KJ slumping right now but he's de biggest threat we have right now... agree or not. His presence on de field does open up thing fuh who next tuh him (when we doh play ah 4-5-1), including tonight fuh Stern. Trinis is ah setta waggonist... de same thing yuh does be cussing de Stern haters for is what yuh doing right now.
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aside from hislop tackle on beasley....can someone plz kick sumbody to f**k down!! take a card send a msg do f**kin sumting..plz!!! i seein american men bouncin ball around we like dey have zero respect, u kiddin me?? a sport dey have no respect 4?? how shameful is it dat dey beatin us at a game we live n die for?? (doh wanna hear d population size as bein an issue, doh wanna hear it!!)
Help mih out here... what we kicking dong man for... the sake ah kicking dong man?? How about we just learn tuh facking defend and put een ah tackle?
Thank you very much....
And dis shit about de Americans "have no respect 4" football... is dat why dey cutting we ass leff and right? De American players eh have no respect fuh de game? Yuh think dem man and dem doh live and die fuh football too?
steups... dat is we biggest facking problem as ah people... we feel somebody owe we something. No matter how much cut-ass we get going and coming allyuh man still climbing out de woodwork wid dis bullshit talk about how de Americans so inferior... we live and die fuh football it in we vein but dem just learn it from f**kking PlayStation. And we can't make ah single note against dem.
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please dont be so hard on kenwayne" cayah trap to save he life" jones
2 in 8 goals scored with his feet in epl (one was mis kick, the other was guided in under pressure from a cross)
In any given game for tnt we have 2 good crosses
do the math, we cant play to kenwaynes strenghts cause we have a sheit midfield, only strength (header)
so we shouldnt play him, he does not fit the team
he is quite a gentle giant, quite big but small men always out muscle him
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I wud like to know what peeps see in KJ .This youth making big big bucks and is GOAT .Yes all yuh hear meh correct .GOAT ah say !! Yet still it have nuff threads carrying down Stern .Is eedah some peeps here blind or just have no idead about de game .
I wud like to know what has KJ ever done for TnT football, on de pitch and after tonite performance which striker wud you want on your side if yuh playing for ah $billion .
You carrying on like dem emotional jackass and dem who does cry down Stern... yuh know better dan dat. KJ slumping right now but he's de biggest threat we have right now... agree or not. His presence on de field does open up thing fuh who next tuh him (when we doh play ah 4-5-1), including tonight fuh Stern. Trinis is ah setta waggonist... de same thing yuh does be cussing de Stern haters for is what yuh doing right now.
True ,but after tonite game and tuh hear kakaholes like elan and supporter jockstrap talk dey garbage ah had ask dem questions .Doh geh meh wrong anybody that have on de TnT shirt I supporting 100% but IMO KJ is too much hype and he yet tuh impress me on the international stage .Now starting ah thread about de man might be taking it ah lil too far but I want tuh see how peeps really feel about KJ .
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People....I jes wanted to let you all know that I have been called up for the squad for the next qualifier. I got a phone call from Latas shortly after the game last night. I expect full support from the forum as I seek to improve the fitball of our country. I will be playing a defensive midfielder right behind Dwight. My jersey is number 23. Look out for kiffysmooth. Again, thanks for the support in advance
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I wud like to know what peeps see in KJ .This youth making big big bucks and is GOAT .Yes all yuh hear meh correct .GOAT ah say !! Yet still it have nuff threads carrying down Stern .Is eedah some peeps here blind or just have no idead about de game .
I wud like to know what has KJ ever done for TnT football, on de pitch and after tonite performance which striker wud you want on your side if yuh playing for ah $billion .
You carrying on like dem emotional jackass and dem who does cry down Stern... yuh know better dan dat. KJ slumping right now but he's de biggest threat we have right now... agree or not. His presence on de field does open up thing fuh who next tuh him (when we doh play ah 4-5-1), including tonight fuh Stern. Trinis is ah setta waggonist... de same thing yuh does be cussing de Stern haters for is what yuh doing right now.
True ,but after tonite game and tuh hear kakaholes like elan and supporter jockstrap talk dey garbage ah had ask dem questions .Doh geh meh wrong anybody that have on de TnT shirt I supporting 100% but IMO KJ is too much hype and he yet tuh impress me on the international stage .Now starting ah thread about de man might be taking it ah lil too far but I want tuh see how peeps really feel about KJ .
Is man on dis board who make him out tuh be de next Drogba and all kinda shit... cyah blame Kenwyne fuh dat. He going thru de same drought Stern going thru. How much time Stern play ah lone striker and cyah get ah ball? Dem men need offensive help from de midfield. I sure we coulda ress on on de US tonite but we didn't have enough possession. Bradley experiment with Beasley at LB fail... but dey get away b/c we couldn't take advantage ah Carlos' runs down de flank.
Carlos show me plenty... time after time he leave Beasley in de dus' I was taking he pace fuh granted but he he still have real toes. Problem was we couldn't capitalize whenever he beat he man... one time he had tuh hold up and wait fuh man to get in de box... next time he miss KJ with ah over pass. Elan and dem talking shit... doh let dem man and dem chain yuh up into crying down KJ.
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I wud like to know what peeps see in KJ .This youth making big big bucks and is GOAT .Yes all yuh hear meh correct .GOAT ah say !! Yet still it have nuff threads carrying down Stern .Is eedah some peeps here blind or just have no idead about de game .
I wud like to know what has KJ ever done for TnT football, on de pitch and after tonite performance which striker wud you want on your side if yuh playing for ah $billion .
You carrying on like dem emotional jackass and dem who does cry down Stern... yuh know better dan dat. KJ slumping right now but he's de biggest threat we have right now... agree or not. His presence on de field does open up thing fuh who next tuh him (when we doh play ah 4-5-1), including tonight fuh Stern. Trinis is ah setta waggonist... de same thing yuh does be cussing de Stern haters for is what yuh doing right now.
True ,but after tonite game and tuh hear kakaholes like elan and supporter jockstrap talk dey garbage ah had ask dem questions .Doh geh meh wrong anybody that have on de TnT shirt I supporting 100% but IMO KJ is too much hype and he yet tuh impress me on the international stage .Now starting ah thread about de man might be taking it ah lil too far but I want tuh see how peeps really feel about KJ .
Is man on dis board who make him out tuh be de next Drogba and all kinda shit... cyah blame Kenwyne fuh dat. He going thru de same drought Stern going thru. How much time Stern play ah lone striker and cyah get ah ball? Dem men need offensive help from de midfield. I sure we coulda ress on on de US tonite but we didn't have enough possession. Bradley experiment with Beasley at LB fail... but dey get away b/c we couldn't take advantage ah Carlos' runs down de flank.
Carlos show me plenty... time after time he leave Beasley in de dus' I was taking he pace fuh granted but he he still have real toes. Problem was we couldn't capitalize whenever he beat he man... one time he had tuh hold up and wait fuh man to get in de box... next time he miss KJ with ah over pass. Elan and dem talking shit... doh let dem man and dem chain yuh up into crying down KJ.
I hear yuh :beermug:
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Wit all due respeck, it eh makin no sense to cry down KJ to big up Stern.
KJ had a poor game for me. Actually, he was the worst player on the field IMO. But ALL players have off days. Is no secret dat KJ goin thru a slump in form right now which is unfortunate for both club and country as the timing of this slump is bad for both.
But KJ hasn't become a bad player overnight and he hasn't been overhyped either. I maintain that having 3 strikers of similar strengths and styles and worse yet, playin 4-4-2 was a mistake by the coach. The only player putting any kind of pressure on the US defence was Carlos Edwards and they would crowd him with 2 sometimes 3 players. Which is why I thought dropping Cornell Glen was a big mistake. I see Scotland..who is a good player colleck a through ball, clean path to goal and Hejduk come from way behind, ketch up to him and take de ball. No speed whatsoever. Contrast that with when Carlos pass out Da Marcus Beasely...de fastest man on de US team...like nutting. I not sayin Cornell Glen woulda make a difference to de scoreline, but at least he would have given us a different look instead of the same sterile options we had for offence.
BTW...Stern once again played well IMO.
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People....I jes wanted to let you all know that I have been called up for the squad for the next qualifier. I got a phone call from Latas shortly after the game last night. I expect full support from the forum as I seek to improve the fitball of our country. I will be playing a defensive midfielder right behind Dwight. My jersey is number 23. Look out for kiffysmooth. Again, thanks for the support in advance
Well I geh ah call too from Latas and Maturana ,they ask meh tuh play defense on de right or left .Now I eh want tuh take nobody place on de team but after tonight performance ah have no choice tuh lace up and come out for meh country .All yuh look out fuh berris ah playing in nbr 24 ...tanx for for de support in advance .
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Why substitute a defender at half time when you are down one goal? Did we make a mistake on the initial selection?
Why take off Chris Birchall when he was the hardest working man on the field?
Why play Birchall defensive midfield when he has a 40 yard rocket?
Why not substitue Kenwyn Jones when he added nothing for 90 minutes?
Why not bring on Latapy at halftime?
Why not play Stern John in midfield? Stern John's position is no longer an offensive player (he played well tonight) but he needs to do like Dwight Yorke and switch to midfield. He is a good passer of the ball.
Why not put Stern John in the midfield (it should not be hard to find a midfield player to leave home), and add Cornell Glen to the team.
Why is Brent Sancho not on the team?
Why is Colin Samuel not on the team?
Why is that C%#$ still the head coach?
This coach does not have a clue as to what he is doing!
Sting, I agree with everything you said there man, you see as clearly as me that Stern John can possibly be a real asset for us in midfield. Agree with all your other suggestions too.
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Wit all due respeck, it eh makin no sense to cry down KJ to big up Stern.
KJ had a poor game for me. Actually, he was the worst player on the field IMO. But ALL players have off days. Is no secret dat KJ goin thru a slump in form right now which is unfortunate for both club and country as the timing of this slump is bad for both.
But KJ hasn't become a bad player overnight and he hasn't been overhyped either. I maintain that having 3 strikers of similar strengths and styles and worse yet, playin 4-4-2 was a mistake by the coach. The only player putting any kind of pressure on the US defence was Carlos Edwards and they would crowd him with 2 sometimes 3 players. Which is why I thought dropping Cornell Glen was a big mistake. I see Scotland..who is a good player colleck a through ball, clean path to goal and Hejduk come from way behind, ketch up to him and take de ball. No speed whatsoever. Contrast that with when Carlos pass out Da Marcus Beasely...de fastest man on de US team...like nutting. I not sayin Cornell Glen woulda make a difference to de scoreline, but at least he would have given us a different look instead of the same sterile options we had for offence.
BTW...Stern once again played well IMO.
Yuh ent lie nuh... ah feel bad fuh Scottie on dat one b/c Hejduk walk him dong and rip him. Given dat Hejduk still have pace... but he's what now 45... 50? Lol
Agree on everything else... except KJ wasn't de wuss man on de field. Only way yuh could give he dat crown is if yuh vision was block from defensive midfield going back tuh Ince 18-yard box.
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Kenwyne definitely didn't play as good as Stern did tonight.
We need Colin Samuel to be back on the left wing.
Keon Daniel moved out to midfield, where he can use his skills in creating space while surrounded by players and his ability to have to ball do as he wills in the air with crosses.
Stern John in midfield(yes, read mine and a few others comments in the thread titled that, he is one of the few of our players who can keep the ball under pressure and make a good pass, also can utilise his powerful shot right outside the box)
Two strikers up top, I don't know which, but a pick between these three, Cornel Glenn, Kenwyne Jones, Jason Scotland. I'm leaning on Glenn and KJ. KJ can provide head flicks on to Glenn to use his speed to get behind defense and score. KJ can also score headers from improved wing service. Scotland can be a sub if either not playing well in game. I love Scotland, just I think hes probably better as a sub if either not playing well, wish I could include all three.
Cyd Gray needs to come back. I don't care what anyone says, most times I've seen Cyd Play, hes been our best defender together with Dennis Lawrence.
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aside from hislop tackle on beasley....can someone plz kick sumbody to f**k down!! take a card send a msg do f**kin sumting..plz!!! i seein american men bouncin ball around we like dey have zero respect, u kiddin me?? a sport dey have no respect 4?? how shameful is it dat dey beatin us at a game we live n die for?? (doh wanna hear d population size as bein an issue, doh wanna hear it!!)
hmmm lets see here...kick somebody down, take ah card, play ah man or two short and risk further embarassment. Interesting tactics :-\ ??? ???
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Bakes and plalos hold yuh peace! it's not that KJ is ah goat , but he don't care tuh put in ah full shift, him and keon . this international thing is no saga boy affair ! is either yuh wid it or your'e not! and i think by the looks of it they ain't wid it! so they should step as forkin side and let the players who willing tuh die for dey country play! as for stern ! he was a joy tuh behold ! best player tonight by ah country mile!!!!!
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Well folks , ah eh too long come back home from drowning meh blues, and tuh add insult, ah rewind meh tape and watch the 2nd half.
believe it or not i wasn't suprise with the out come! that was inevitable!
it wasn't anything out the ordinary, the U.S. played fundamental football, again! and beat we , again! extrmely predictable tuh say the least!
they blitz, close down the midfield, double team our greatest goal threat, run hard @ our defenders, forced errors, utilize the offensive flanks, put in cross after cross, something our wing men refused to do, out worked us in the midfield!
they utilize the both end of the field, out worked us in every way!!!! and tuh add insult, again our coach wasted another substitution by bringing on another defender for ah defender, three games now, kenyo twice and wolf! when he coulda have another midfield option @ his disposal.
when i saw the first 30 mins of this game i had a clear idea of the out come.
the U.S. scored off a cross from the right flank, just the same way bradley scored on sept 10th 08 in chicargo,same as the mc bride goal in 05, same as the donovan goal in 01! they have one formula tuh beat T&T, and it never fails.
so what's new! loe beehakker showed us the formula tuh beat the U.S. when we played sweden and england, but we relapse tuh our old ways.
the only one i blame for this disgraceful performance is jack warner, yuh dun know he doh have no shame, just like all dem rumdrinkin wife beating old men of his time, or monkey men i should say.
he went and hire ah cheap coach who would fullfill all his wishes, and herein lies the end product!! dung!!!!!
i will stop here since i dun know why we lose this game! it started when leo ride out and the blacklist was implemented!
jack himself said he will used the yutes and ah few of the eligible WC players, so here we go! but one thing he didn't bargin for, the players saying fork jack! i in it for the caps, hence no more game with heart! plus the youths eh able!
jack don't want tuh lose his sponsorship money, so now he will fire pancho ASAP , and hire ah big name coach tuh salvage the campaign, then he will call all the players like roberts, sancho, whitley, dog, samuels tuh save his sinking ship!!
remember st claire didn't want rasta on his team, well when jack see his dollars on ah water raft heading down stream , he kick off bertiile and bring in ah real captain tuh retrieve his paper. doh sleep ! i following T&T football for yrs!
i like small mag approach! if pacho still coaching after 2 weeks , i eh watching no more games ! it too dogone painful man!
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Is it just me or are we continuing to play a game that is NOT our game. We have more individual talent than most but where was it on the field of play vs the USA? Nobody running at the defense to unnerve them, except or course when we bring on Russell. Why is Maturana not letting players play our style of football. The long ball etc is simply not working. Feedback welcome
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We need speed upfront and in the wingbacks positions
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K jones is a goat no first touch no sense of positional play his movement of the ball is not good
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not just the last 2 games.. look back at Sunderland games and you'll notice that KJ have no control and he real clumsy with that first touch. He likes to bring down the ball for a non existing TnT midfield when he goes up in the air, so it made him look even more bad.
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Why substitute a defender at half time when you are down one goal? Did we make a mistake on the initial selection?
Why take off Chris Birchall when he was the hardest working man on the field?
Why play Birchall defensive midfield when he has a 40 yard rocket?
Why not substitue Kenwyn Jones when he added nothing for 90 minutes?
Why not bring on Latapy at halftime?
Why not play Stern John in midfield? Stern John's position is no longer an offensive player (he played well tonight) but he needs to do like Dwight Yorke and switch to midfield. He is a good passer of the ball.
Why not put Stern John in the midfield (it should not be hard to find a midfield player to leave home), and add Cornell Glen to the team.
Why is Brent Sancho not on the team?
Why is Colin Samuel not on the team?
Why is that C%#$ still the head coach?
I agree with all your points made here pardner... we both have many questions with little questions
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D same KJ who came back from injury 2 play against Cuba. He not committed/intrested? D yute goin through a badddddddddd patch like all players.
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KJ coming back from injury- yes, can we remember pls that this needs a lot of confidence boosting and encouragement?? all this crying down is not doing him any good- I see his efforts and even tho he is not successful 'at this time' we need to encourage him to keep in the game. come on people where's your heart?
I think the game was a failure of coaching- plain and simple.
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I didn't want to say it before but we played a cowardly defensive lineup,
we should have attacked this game head on,
we were nevva suppose to leave cornell glen off dat team, or called up roberts...........something!
birchall should be there the entire game,
how come in the scrimages in argentina we seemed to be putting together a good passing game, but it nevva see d light of day in the qualifiers, dat process now feels like a complete waist of time, why jagdeosingh not in d mix
u shade see of what Keon Daniel could do when he closer to d middle, why not put him dey
I u on converting players why not play glen or bring back roberts as CAMs and, we cant depend on the creativity of latapy anymore.
hear nah on ah serious note who was colombia coach in USA '94, if was mats d scaredy tactics make sense now, dat man might have a USA fobia
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I didn't want to say it before but we played a cowardly defensive lineup,
we should have attacked this game head on,
we were nevva suppose to leave cornell glen off dat team, or called up roberts...........something!
birchall should be there the entire game,
how come in the scrimages in argentina we seemed to be putting together a good passing game, but it nevva see d light of day in the qualifiers, dat process now feels like a complete waist of time, why jagdeosingh not in d mix
u shade of what Keon Daniel could do when he closer to d middle, why not put him dey
I u on converting players why not play glen or bring back roberts as CAMs, we cant depend on the creativity of latapy anymore.
hear nah on ah serious note who was colombia coach in USA '94, if was mats d scaredy tactics make sense now dat man might have a USA fobia
Yes it was d dumb 1 certainly he not special 1 but what a/c 4 d tactics v Bermuda etal.
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I didnt get to see the Costa Rica vs El Salvador game last night, but got an opportunity to see the Honduras vs Mexico and USA vs T&T Game (Big Mag, I saw this one in high Def on ESPN HD 8))
The Honduras vs Mexico game was my pick for the game of the round (again, I didnt see the CRC/EL Sal game). In my last thread, I pointed out that after this round of games, we would get a better picture of wether or not Honduras is serious about making it to south Africa. I believe they put the doubters to bed with last nights performance. In fact, I am willing to go out on a limb now and say they are going to take one of the top 3 spots. They are simply menacing on home turf. The only team I see goingt there and coming away with anything might be the USA, and based on waht we saw happen with the USA in El Sal last weekend...I wouldnt put too much on the USA getting anything there.
Mexico will fire Erikson if he fails to win his next game...but the worst they will do is finish in 4th spot. In fact, of all the teams in CONCACAF, I believe Mexicio would have the best chance of winning a play-off with the 5th place team from South America. In fact, i'd definately put my money on them winningthe tie (mainly on home advantage in the Azteca)
On to USA vs T&T. Carlos Edwards had an outstanding game for you guys, Birchall too looked good in the midfield the time he was on the field. T&T had a decent enough first half, but it all fell apart in the second half.
The glaring thing again for me is the pace at which T&T plays the game. Too casual for my liking. Take a look at the game Honduras played agaianst Mexico and you will see what I am talking about here. Honduras were all over the Mexicans, out jumping them, out-muscling them, roughing them up at times even.
Nop team is out of it yet, and no team has secured a spot yet, so there is everything to play for. But the teams at the bottom will be worried, while the teams up top will be looking down with a smaile on their faces.
Looking forward to the June 6/10 round of games. I see the home teams winning these games. Keep stern John on the field...he is more likely to rise to the occasion in the next game and get something vs the Ticos.
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Birchall had a good game guess d Colombian have a different set ah eyes.
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f#ck off RF F#ck yuh TV Tube..
.not today
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I didnt get to see the Costa Rica vs El Salvador game last night, but got an opportunity to see the Honduras vs Mexico and USA vs T&T Game (Big Mag, I saw this one in high Def on ESPN HD 8))
The Honduras vs Mexico game was my pick for the game of the round (again, I didnt see the CRC/EL Sal game). In my last thread, I pointed out that after this round of games, we would get a better picture of wether or not Honduras is serious about making it to south Africa. I believe they put the doubters to bed with last nights performance. In fact, I am willing to go out on a limb now and say they are going to take one of the top 3 spots. They are simply menacing on home turf. The only team I see goingt there and coming away with anything might be the USA, and based on waht we saw happen with the USA in El Sal last weekend...I wouldnt put too much on the USA getting anything there.
Mexico will fire Erikson if he fails to win his next game...but the worst they will do is finish in 4th spot. In fact, of all the teams in CONCACAF, I believe Mexicio would have the best chance of winning a play-off with the 5th place team from South America. In fact, i'd definately put my money on them winningthe tie (mainly on home advantage in the Azteca)
On to USA vs T&T. Carlos Edwards had an outstanding game for you guys, Birchall too looked good in the midfield the time he was on the field. T&T had a decent enough first half, but it all fell apart in the second half.
The glaring thing again for me is the pace at which T&T plays the game. Too casual for my liking. Take a look at the game Honduras played agaianst Mexico and you will see what I am talking about here. Honduras were all over the Mexicans, out jumping them, out-muscling them, roughing them up at times even.
Nop team is out of it yet, and no team has secured a spot yet, so there is everything to play for. But the teams at the bottom will be worried, while the teams up top will be looking down with a smaile on their faces.
Looking forward to the June 6/10 round of games. I see the home teams winning these games. Keep stern John on the field...he is more likely to rise to the occasion in the next game and get something vs the Ticos.
Spot on brother....we playing way way too slow. Whenever Keyon Daniel get the ball he killing the pace of the game...Funny thing is you could actually see this in warmups....
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U mean u went all dey way 2 Nashville and c what d coach eh seein. Now dat is 2020 vision
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another ting ah 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 with a creator latapy/daniel or runners glenn/Roberts behind ah stern/scottie playin short passes, makes more sense than the boom-kick to two similar styled strikers ah 4-4-2...to me anyways, ah mean didn't TT almost poison sweden wit dat kinda of setup.
anyway I am no coach but seriously, d old 4-5-1 plan wit d right personnel will yield betta results than dis uninspirin 4-4-2 we playing now
ps I eh no stern fan, dont tink he is d future success........ur, if any, of dis campaign, but dat man real try las nite :applause: :applause:, an anybody who say different being fuuckin unfear
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The most astonishing thing about the warriors defeat to the U.S.was not the 3-0 scoreline, but in fact just how bad we played.Coach Maturana showed some initiative by playing an attacking 4-4-2 system, a departure from the comforts of his beloved 4-5-1.But that is where the good ends and the bad begins. Kenwyne Jones, who is obviously suffering from a slump in form, was on top with the evergreen Stern John. Unfortunately, these two were basically left dead in the water by an almost non existent midfield and non existent defense. They had no quality balls to look forward to except the occasional cross from Carlos Edwards.
Chris Birchall was a welcome return to the side along with Clayton Ince, which was a little boost to the team prior to kickoff. Birchall however,could not play his regular "ball winner" role since he had to basically act as a fifth defender due to criminal defending by the back four.The full backs especially were completely destroyed on the flanks which gave the U.S. a constant avenue of attack. Carlos Edwards was again a bright light in a very dark place.He WAS the midfield,and looked to be the one to perhaps give some potency to a dull T&T attack.Apart from the free kick he took, Keon Daniel was missing in action.This young man is a bundle of talent but like all the young players on the team, needs to seriously raise his game.Some of the young ones don't seem to have the hunger, desire or mental toughness for Victory.The technical staff should look in to this.
One young player who seems to be stepping up is Khaleem Hyland.The game definitely changed when he entered, even giving Kenwyne Jones an opportunity to score inside the box.Jason Scotland was eventually brought in, but by then the damage was done.He is a player that should be starting every game.I think he is terribly underutilized and does not get his just due.That being said without a good supporting midfield and at least a half decent defense, any striker is going to struggle on this team.We cannot expect Yorke and Latapy to always come to our rescue. We must develop the abundance of talent we have especially in that crucial center midfield role.The U.S,in my humble opinion, is not 3 goals better than us.It is an embarrassment to let a 19 year old kid score a hatrick on your team.We better than that.On the bright side,we are only two points from a world cup spot.Glass half full. GO WARRIORS!
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Iniative and Mats in d same sentence. Is yuh 1st post so I go 4give yuh Welcome Aboard enjoy d reide on d titanic. Hope u get a lifejacket because come June 6th is iceberg time.
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Being at the game last night I could say this....it was not as bad as people think. Yes the US had their opportunities but with a little fine tuning I still think we could be successful. However, the coach got to go....Maturana is an enigma....we have no idea what game he is looking at because it substitutions leave a lot to be desired.
Keon Daniel was awful last night, granted the first goal came from a Wolfe error (not tracking) but he wasn't actually playing all that bad and was helping out in attack. Because Keon Daniel had such a rough night, it really really exposed Akile Edwards. So we take off a right back and bring in a central defender to play right back who has no right being on the field anyway....
Then the biggest gaffe of the night, the coach take off birchall...Now, my question is this, why start 2 defensive midfielders in the game at the same time...would it not have been wise to start Hyland and Birchall. Leon didn't have a bad game per se but who distributing the ball...steups.
From my vantage point, Stern didn't have a bad game "with the ball" but off the ball he did absolutely nuttin....Plus he wasn't helping KJ track atall. Trust me, when Stern doh have the ball, he eh even making any kinda attempt to win it or to help win it that's why I say his work rate is tremendously awful... It have time KJ busting he arse to run down the defender then the defender play the ball to the other central defender because Stern eh running.
Next thing, so the coach bring on a 3rd forward and we playing with 3 forwards....really....since when trini does play with 3 forwards and when did they practice that....Mats the enigma gotta go...full stop!
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Being at the game last night I could say this....it was not as bad as people think. Yes the US had their opportunities but with a little fine tuning I still think we could be successful. However, the coach got to go....Maturana is an enigma....we have no idea what game he is looking at because it substitutions leave a lot to be desired.
Keon Daniel was awful last night, granted the first goal came from a Wolfe error (not tracking) but he wasn't actually playing all that bad and was helping out in attack. Because Keon Daniel had such a rough night, it really really exposed Akile Edwards. So we take off a right back and bring in a central defender to play right back who has no right being on the field anyway....
Then the biggest gaffe of the night, the coach take off birchall...Now, my question is this, why start 2 defensive midfielders in the game at the same time...would it not have been wise to start Hyland and Birchall. Leon didn't have a bad game per se but who distributing the ball...steups.
From my vantage point, Stern didn't have a bad game "with the ball" but off the ball he did absolutely nuttin....Plus he wasn't helping KJ track atall. Trust me, when Stern doh have the ball, he eh even making any kinda attempt to win it or to help win it that's why I say his work rate is tremendously awful... It have time KJ busting he arse to run down the defender then the defender play the ball to the other central defender because Stern eh running.
Next thing, so the coach bring on a 3rd forward and we playing with 3 forwards....really....since when trini does play with 3 forwards and when did they practice that....Mats the enigma gotta go...full stop!
2 defensive mids in 1 4 4 2 so how d strikers gettin d ball. Who goin and create d play. As 4 Daniel settin up Akile we know d fella cyah spell defend and d defender Akile cyah defend so we up a creak witout a paddle.
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On April 1st USA gave Trinidad and Tobago a sound beating. They dominated the game, especially in the midfield. Their game plan (which was fully executed) was to attack the wingbacks and move the ball in the midfield. Trinidad and Tobago showed that their team consisted of players at different skill levels.
A report on each player:
Clayton Once - Safe hands throughout most of the game. Good distribution of the ball, yet had an inexcusable lapse in concentration to allow the last goal. No excuses, cause that goal may come back to haunt us.
Anthony Wolfe - Poor game. I hope that experiment is over. He had no clue and one could tell that he had no experience how to defend the overlapping wingback. (Beasley) I blame this on the coach. If i was the coach, i would have called Yohance Marshall and Julius James and experiment with them when they arrived in Nashville. Simply because Marshall plays with Donovan everyday and James plays against him.
Kenyo Thomas - I personally don't think he is a good player, But on that night he WAS EXTRA BAD . Lost alot of head balls to Altidore, When he won the head balls the were off, poor marking skills, poor positioning as a defender ( on the second goal when Donovan went out wide, he left the middle of the defense causing it stretch and allowing Altidore an easy path through the middle). He is a laborer, with no skill. He can't play wit the ball at his feet.
Dennis Lawrence - Had the best game out of all the defenders. Won all the head balls, played well with the ball, and kept with the strikers. However, he lost concentration in the game and lost his marker. A huge part to this was because the wingbacks were exploited and the drew him out. Ok game tallman
A. Edwards - Please make a count of this stat if you look at highlights of the game. He passed the ball to the US team, either in throw-ins or passes 21 times. His lack of experience showed. He did not learn from his mistakes during the game, which is a bad sign. The US did not play with a right-wing essentially, and used Frankie Hejduk to bring in crosses. He crossed in the ball passed Edwards over 10-15 times. That is horrible. He never forced him to bo back. He could not string a proper pass together. He allowed Altidore to get on the inside and muscle his way to the first goal. But i guess in defence force, he is a big defender or a big player. As a player, i think his confidence was low after the first goal and Ince and company were yelling at him all game. Looked extremely uneasy before the game.
C. Edwards. I think his class was over the rest. His runs were well-timed. He came back to help the defence. He needs alot of help from his midfield to be effective. Due to Chris Birchall's fear of receiving the ball, he was forced to play in the middle at times, more than he should. Not the best crosser, but whats new. Put alot of pressure on Beasley and played very sensibly and within his game. He was fired up for that game.
Chris Birchall - I did not think he played worst that he really does. He was exposed during the game, to what his game really is. He was avoiding his role to receive the ball from the defenders. (please watch the clips) He did not check towards the ball to receive it. He tried defensively, but that is not good enough, because in today's game all defensive midfielders distribute the ball (Marco Sena, Andrea Pirlo, Micheal Carrick). He feeds off the other midfielders like Yorke, Latapy even Theobald and let's them retrieve the ball and he sits. That night, it was his job and he could not do it. His touch is not the best but he is a good guy. I think he got sub'ed because he did not get the ball. Chris i know you will probably read this but you should work on your attacking part of the game. Look to receive te ball from the defence more, this will help the team.
Leon - Did not play sensibly. Was, like Birchall inexistent. Hid from getting the ball. poor positioning and supporting the strikers. He did not string any good passes. However, defensively, i thought he was good at closing the midfielders down. Yet, he lost the battle...
Daniel - Showed he had class, but like Carlos, needed elp from the center midfielders. He is a player that works best with the ball played to him in a one v one position. However, because the center midfielders lacked the ability to go get the ball, he had the ball around the half-line and as such was ineffective. He needed to help Edwards more, but i dont know what the coach told him about defending.
Jones - I think he was good. Once again, he need alot of help from the midfield. Won alot of flick-ons but John, did not help the case. Moreover, when he held the ball up, he had no midfielders to lay it off to. Picture how attacking he would be if he had the crosses Frankie Hejduk gave.
John - I am a fan of 69 Goals, and i probably saw 40 of the goals fisrt hand. Over the last year, he lived on his past accolades but today, i think his time should be numbered. People say experience counts, but not as a foward. Performance counts. I know that people make mistakes, but when he received the call from Carlos, and he could not take it down it was embarrasing. I went to practice today and my American teamates thought that it was the most embarassing thing as well. To bring a ball down with his left foot? That is embarassing. That opportunity was a sure goal, cause had he taken it down it would have been a 2v1 for TandT. What he does best is holding up the ball and bringing it down. I like that about him. I hope he perfoms better in the future. I hate the attitude that he has, when for example A. Edwards messed up a pass and he put his hand in the air and when he gave a goal away he walks off. Scotty should have come on for him in the 60min in my eyes.
Despite the pressure and laughter i experienced from my teamates i saw alot of from the game:
- The Wolfe experiment is over
- Birchall's inability to check for the ball is exposed
- Carlos showed class and that he knows how to play even if his team is not
- Lawrence can still hold the fort
- Thomas is a poison to the defence, and he needs to go
- More scouting needs to be done on opposing teams.
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D man say he doh scout so we need Holly B
Thomas does make meh miss Dog
D classic for d night was takin off Wolfe and bringin on Hislop
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Why take off Chris Birchall when he was the hardest working man on the field?
in dentistry, sometimes yuh does pull de wrong tooth! ;)
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I said we had to play the US a defensive game.With Dwight out and the team not playing well a defensive game would have workeand best.A 4.5.1 and hope for the goal on the counter attact with any one or our fowards.Even if 1 score on we it better than looking like babies.Leo tried to teach us that but we allways think we cloud skill our way into a win.
Oh well on to the next game!
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Your title should read...
USA vs T&T, HON vs MEX: Through the eyes of a Jackass.
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Why substitute a defender at half time when you are down one goal? Did we make a mistake on the initial selection?
He was clearly having a bad game and something had to be done. Daz not rocket science
Why take off Chris Birchall when he was the hardest working man on the field?
No answer for this one. Birchall was alo distributing the ball well. Only player who can play a long ball
Why play Birchall defensive midfield when he has a 40 yard rocket?
Because we need 2 defensive mids to stem the tide
Why not substitue Kenwyn Jones when he added nothing for 90 minutes?
Cuz he get cuss for leaving him on the bench on Saturday
Why not bring on Latapy at halftime?
Latas has 15 to 20 mins in him on a good night. Game was already outta hand so may as well give the young fellas a run
Why not play Stern John in midfield? Stern John's position is no longer an offensive player (he played well tonight) but he needs to do like Dwight Yorke and switch to midfield. He is a good passer of the ball.
Like you eh see who had our best chances tonight or what? Stern is a hitman
Why not put Stern John in the midfield (it should not be hard to find a midfield player to leave home), and add Cornell Glen to the team.
Why is Brent Sancho not on the team?
Does he even play football any more?
Why is Colin Samuel not on the team?
no clue. what kind of form is he in
Why is that C%#$ still the head coach?
This coach does not have a clue as to what he is doing!
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Dont belive the Hype, Honduras is Up and down That same them you see their will lose to TnT at home They will be battling with the rest of US.
Mexico I think will get the top spot with the US with the other 4 battling for the next 1 and half spots.
The key for TnT is if they can stay within striking range of el salavador Honduras and CR with 4-5 games left.
It is not that I think Mexico is good but 12 -15 home pts will be good for ist and 2nd in this group, nobody is taking real licks. like how panama take last time
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It is amazing to me how everybody lighting up Akile Edwards but not Keon Daniel. Keon Daniel was the worst player on the field last night. The reason Akile Edwards looks so bad is because Keon Daniel does not come back to defend. When Edwards is defending one on one he does not look as bad. Sure he makes some mistakes which is to be expected from a young player. But it does not matter who we put at left back if Keon Daniel continues to waltz around the field and not track the overlapping defender or midfielder. Numerous times last night I watched as Keon Daniel's man just ran free while he stood around gaping. What that does is continously put Akile Edwards in a 1 vs 2 situation and then he looks bad.
Once again I am not saying that Edwards doesn't deserve some of the blame but most of it should be focused on Keon Daniel. On the first goal Wolfe got caught ball watching but if Akile Edwards had stayed between the ball and Altidore that first goal would not have scored.
It's funny how everybody bawling fuh Cyd Gray to be brought back but ah wonder how many people remember when Cyd Gray made his debut at right back. It was in de 2001 qualifiers away to Costa Rica and he was eaten alive. That night Cyd Gray was Hernan Medford bitch. Early in his career the same thing men saying about Akile Edwards now is de same thing they were saying about Cyd Gray back then.
Right now this team has regressed to how we looked pre Beenhakker in 2005. We are not a team. There is absolutely no cohesiveness what so ever. One of the major problems we have is that we do not play compact. Look at our games and you can almost always see three distinct lines on the field. There are our two forwards playing flat then a big gap then our midfield almost flat then a big gap then our defenders almost always playing flat. This was one of the first things Beenie corrected when he took over he made up play more compact which closed the big gaps between our forwards and midfields and our midfielders and defenders.
Akile Edwards will be out for the next game let's see if his replacement fares any better with Keon Daniel in front of him.
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I said we had to play the US a defensive game.With Dwight out and the team not playing well a defensive game would have workeand best.A 4.5.1 and hope for the goal on the counter attact with any one or our fowards.Even if 1 score on we it better than looking like babies.Leo tried to teach us that but we allways think we cloud skill our way into a win.
Oh well on to the next game!
boss wit d right personnel 4-5-1, 4-4-1-1, 4-2-3-1 could how ever u want to cut it can serve both ends, how come noel eh get ah run over leon, I herein good things about he
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A report on each player:
Kenyo Thomas - I personally don't think he is a good player, But on that night he WAS EXTRA BAD . Lost alot of head balls to Altidore, When he won the head balls the were off, poor marking skills, poor positioning as a defender ( on the second goal when Donovan went out wide, he left the middle of the defense causing it stretch and allowing Altidore an easy path through the middle). He is a laborer, with no skill. He can't play wit the ball at his feet.
Dennis Lawrence - Had the best game out of all the defenders. Won all the head balls, played well with the ball, and kept with the strikers. However, he lost concentration in the game and lost his marker. A huge part to this was because the wingbacks were exploited and the drew him out. Ok game tallman
A. Edwards - Please make a count of this stat if you look at highlights of the game. He passed the ball to the US team, either in throw-ins or passes 21 times. His lack of experience showed. He did not learn from his mistakes during the game, which is a bad sign. The US did not play with a right-wing essentially, and used Frankie Hejduk to bring in crosses. He crossed in the ball passed Edwards over 10-15 times. That is horrible. He never forced him to bo back. He could not string a proper pass together. He allowed Altidore to get on the inside and muscle his way to the first goal. But i guess in defence force, he is a big defender or a big player. As a player, i think his confidence was low after the first goal and Ince and company were yelling at him all game. Looked extremely uneasy before the game.
C. Edwards. I think his class was over the rest. His runs were well-timed. He came back to help the defence. He needs alot of help from his midfield to be effective. Due to Chris Birchall's fear of receiving the ball, he was forced to play in the middle at times, more than he should. Not the best crosser, but whats new. Put alot of pressure on Beasley and played very sensibly and within his game. He was fired up for that game.
Chris Birchall - I did not think he played worst that he really does. He was exposed during the game, to what his game really is. He was avoiding his role to receive the ball from the defenders. (please watch the clips) He did not check towards the ball to receive it. He tried defensively, but that is not good enough, because in today's game all defensive midfielders distribute the ball (Marco Sena, Andrea Pirlo, Micheal Carrick). He feeds off the other midfielders like Yorke, Latapy even Theobald and let's them retrieve the ball and he sits. That night, it was his job and he could not do it. His touch is not the best but he is a good guy. I think he got sub'ed because he did not get the ball. Chris i know you will probably read this but you should work on your attacking part of the game. Look to receive te ball from the defence more, this will help the team.
Leon - Did not play sensibly. Was, like Birchall inexistent. Hid from getting the ball. poor positioning and supporting the strikers. He did not string any good passes. However, defensively, i thought he was good at closing the midfielders down. Yet, he lost the battle...
Daniel - Showed he had class, but like Carlos, needed elp from the center midfielders. He is a player that works best with the ball played to him in a one v one position. However, because the center midfielders lacked the ability to go get the ball, he had the ball around the half-line and as such was ineffective. He needed to help Edwards more, but i dont know what the coach told him about defending.
Jones - I think he was good. Once again, he need alot of help from the midfield. Won alot of flick-ons but John, did not help the case. Moreover, when he held the ball up, he had no midfielders to lay it off to. Picture how attacking he would be if he had the crosses Frankie Hejduk gave.
John - I am a fan of 69 Goals, and i probably saw 40 of the goals fisrt hand. Over the last year, he lived on his past accolades but today, i think his time should be numbered. People say experience counts, but not as a foward. Performance counts. I know that people make mistakes, but when he received the call from Carlos, and he could not take it down it was embarrasing. I went to practice today and my American teamates thought that it was the most embarassing thing as well. To bring a ball down with his left foot? That is embarassing. That opportunity was a sure goal, cause had he taken it down it would have been a 2v1 for TandT. What he does best is holding up the ball and bringing it down. I like that about him. I hope he perfoms better in the future. I hate the attitude that he has, when for example A. Edwards messed up a pass and he put his hand in the air and when he gave a goal away he walks off. Scotty should have come on for him in the 60min in my eyes.
Despite the pressure and laughter i experienced from my teamates i saw alot of from the game:
- The Wolfe experiment is over
- Birchall's inability to check for the ball is exposed
- Carlos showed class and that he knows how to play even if his team is not
- Lawrence can still hold the fort
- Thomas is a poison to the defence, and he needs to go
- More scouting needs to be done on opposing teams.
Saddest, are you serious! K. Thomas and Lawrence both had outstanding games dude.....Are you kidding me? Which air balls the US won...We won 95% of all head balls with our central defenders.
Daniel showed class? Which class yuh talking bout? Steups... he was the worst yes I said it the worst player on the pitch last night. He should have come off in the first half, so bad was his performance.....
Hear what nah, learn the game and come back and post something constructive....steups.
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Overall this was a very disappointing performance i think our main problem is we playing to slow we not reacting quickly enough and this caused the first two goals . We have some major problems defensively with A. Edwards who had a pretty bad game but also wit keyeno and Lawrence who i found with his experience was making some silly mistakes. Keon only show a little bit of what he could do in the second half , this guy needs a club he having problems keeping the ball. Jones is also having similar problems everytime he get the ball he losing it. To me we only had one clear cut chance when Carlos run out he liver string and finally put in a good cross only for John as usual to miss it >:(
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Slow is an understatement.
Trinidad is in its rightful position, at the bottom of the table
looking up.
Nobody on the Trinidad team had a good game, no one.
The score was 3 ZERO, no one had a good game!
When it comes to tactical moves, it has to be presumed
Maturana is calling the shots.
If that is the case, why ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH did he take
off Birchall?
The 2nd and 3rd goal came right up the middle
Who is the solitary plug to make the tackle when the other team
comes up the middle?
Quite honestly, IF we were to come 4th in this competition, we
will face either Uruguay or Chile, NEITHER of which we have a chance.
The game was a game up until Birchall was on, once he got subbed,
we were in triuble.
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spot on rf,we will continue to bring up the rear once we have that DUNCE as head coach
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the boy kenwyn jones is really a boy in a man's body. his main attribute is his size which ables him to post up defenders and distribute the ball, however without the right touch he can't control the ball to distribute so most times he seems ineffective. his size also gives him the ability to head and score goals. other than that as a striker he is limited. playing in england he gets good crosses so he scores but at a regalar pace and contributes, they love big solid strikers in england. now playing for tnt he does not get any service so he does not score any goals, he can't dribble, his touch is poor so he can't create for himself, he is limited, very limited as a striker.
the biggest thing about kj is that he does not have a true position, he is not a striker and he seems lost out there on the field.
frankly i am not the least impressed by him at international level and he needs to get his act together fast.
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My thoughts after the US game.
GK - Ince is probably the best we have. Had a decent game. Should have done better for the 3rd goal though.
LB - Is Aklie Edwards better than Avery John? Edwards is not good enough. Daniel's lack of defensive work makes him look worse but using that as an excuse for his display is being generous to Edwards. The man just isn't good enough for international level.
RB - Wolfe isn't good enough either. We should use Carlos in RB. I rather lose some quality in the right of midfield than in defense. And with the right player in front of him and with his engine he will still have opportunities to get forward (like most wing backs in modern football)
CB - Dennis is probably the best we have. I not a fan of Keyeno Thomas. I think he is too slow and clumsy. That said he hasn't been playing badly. Who else do we have though. Don't know how good Julius is at this level or how Andrews looking now but I doubt Keyeno is much better than any of the two. I think Osei Telesford should have been groomed as another CB option. After his first displays in the national team (a Digicel Cup down here) I thought he showed a lot of potential as a CB. I don't think he has what it takes to be a midfielder. Another player who I thought had a bit of potential but disappeared after a brief stint with the national team was a fella name Keston Williams. Don't know enough about him though. I might have just seen him on a good day.
CM - Why doesn't Birchall play the full 90 minutes? He his the only central midfielder we have who plays with a high enough work rate and tempo. The only other player on our team that can match his intensity right now is Carlos. And unfortunately our entire midfield needs to be working that hard to compete and have a chance of controlling games.
LM - Keon Daniel is not a natural winger but I think he has enough ability to do well there. Don't expect him to be streaking forward like Carlos and taking on players. I think he is more suited to playing a similar role to Beckham - a technical playmaker from a wide position and set piece specialist. He has decent ability once he gets his foot on the ball and his kicking technique is good as well. He needs to improve his work rate tho.
RM - Carlos is doing his job. Do we have anyone else who could put in a decent shift in RM though? That so we could drop Carlos back to the RB and strengthen our defense.
ST - Stern is playing decent if you ask me. The only thing I can really fault him for is the missed penalty against El Salvador. Which was HUGE. Kenwyne is out of form BAD. Scotland looks sharp in possession and should have gotten more time tonight.
With the players we have this is how I would like to see the side playing.
STERN SCOTLAND
DANIEL HYLAND - with daniel and highland playing a lil more inside than an out and out winger
BIRCHALL YORKE - with birchall and yorke both playing deep to provide defensive cover
EDWARDS LAWRENCE KEYENO CARLOS - let birchall sit deep and cover when carlos overlaps
INCE
Id rather see someone else instead of Edwards and Keyeno though.
And also would like to see Daryl Roberts given an opportunity.
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It is amazing to me how everybody lighting up Akile Edwards but not Keon Daniel. Keon Daniel was the worst player on the field last night. The reason Akile Edwards looks so bad is because Keon Daniel does not come back to defend. When Edwards is defending one on one he does not look as bad. Sure he makes some mistakes which is to be expected from a young player. But it does not matter who we put at left back if Keon Daniel continues to waltz around the field and not track the overlapping defender or midfielder. Numerous times last night I watched as Keon Daniel's man just ran free while he stood around gaping. What that does is continously put Akile Edwards in a 1 vs 2 situation and then he looks bad.
Once again I am not saying that Edwards doesn't deserve some of the blame but most of it should be focused on Keon Daniel. On the first goal Wolfe got caught ball watching but if Akile Edwards had stayed between the ball and Altidore that first goal would not have scored.
It's funny how everybody bawling fuh Cyd Gray to be brought back but ah wonder how many people remember when Cyd Gray made his debut at right back. It was in de 2001 qualifiers away to Costa Rica and he was eaten alive. That night Cyd Gray was Hernan Medford bitch. Early in his career the same thing men saying about Akile Edwards now is de same thing they were saying about Cyd Gray back then.
Right now this team has regressed to how we looked pre Beenhakker in 2005. We are not a team. There is absolutely no cohesiveness what so ever. One of the major problems we have is that we do not play compact. Look at our games and you can almost always see three distinct lines on the field. There are our two forwards playing flat then a big gap then our midfield almost flat then a big gap then our defenders almost always playing flat. This was one of the first things Beenie corrected when he took over he made up play more compact which closed the big gaps between our forwards and midfields and our midfielders and defenders.
Akile Edwards will be out for the next game let's see if his replacement fares any better with Keon Daniel in front of him.
Daniel rarely ventured forward. Instead he stayed back alot. Even if he did not help out Edwards, who is to blaming for Edwards inability to pass the ball to a teamate? The guy have time and space and by the time he take to recieve the ball and look to make a pass he get close down and then kicking the ball on the oponent. ??? Who is to blame for that?
Daniel played a ball back and drifted wide to drag a defender so Edwards could play forward, sadist kick (can't even use pass) the ball into the defender.
When he run back attacker laways get position on him, and his body positioning is always facing his goal. So even if he win the ball he still in problems.
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As a group, i think our passes were definitely poor. Sometimes I thought we could have kept a low to the ground pass, but instead we turn it over with the long air balls. There was little pressure on the ball when the US had it. Also, the support for the players with the ball was pretty poor, which contributed to the poor passes. I feel like we had trouble handling the ball as well. many times we would recieve a pass, and the ball would bounce in a random direction(usually towards an american player).
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Ince:
played with a heavy heart, but played dam good I thought, except for the last goal. Showed he could chest trap better then we million-pound forward, and head just as good.
Tallest:
Cut off damn near everythig in the air. Good job. Could have been more vocal in directing the other defenders to pick up the runners.
Thomas:
He try, but too flat footed. Did fiar with the air balls as well.
Edwards/Wolfe:
The good, they stayed back. The bad, they stayed. The ugly, they eh pick up a runner yet.
Birchall:
Thank God this fella not a born Trini yes. He eh fraid to look ugly atoll, long as he win dat ball, stick a foot in, kick d f*ck out of it, buut it, whatever, long as he get it out. We need this fella more than we know yes, so like I said, thank God.
Carlos:
Poor fella we. If only he had 2 more like-minded players intent on attacking, is all I could say. If I was he, I wasn even botherin to make dat 4kin long-ass flight across the Atlantic for shit like dat no more nah.
Daniel:
See the comment about Birchall, well this fella epitomize the Trini man... PRETTY BOY. Just dat Pretty not effective, not for what he out there to do. But hell, we know we go get we ass beat, so if he toolum couple men, hmmm, we might let him slide, only to say, he skillful and have potential. Trinis satisfied with potential, even if it never realised.
Stern:
He try, but only as Stern could. We know he eh go run nuff, but if he get a chance... if only he get a chance... and we go hold we breath because we know, if Stern only get a chance... so we continue to wait.
Kenwyne:
This is another TRINI to d bone. LAZY... But say what, here too, we have this feeling dat he due for a break-out game... if Carlos only cross one, and Kenwyne only... Wait, but Carlos did cross one, and what Kenwyne had to do was attack the first post and... but he not dat type of player. It has to be the right length, and the right height, and in the perfect spot. Sadly though, we don't have anybody who could deliver like that on a consistent basis. So with Kenwyne too, we continue to wait.
Maturana:
I tired Dred. I cyah finish this. Somebody help mi please nah.
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Dont belive the Hype, Honduras is Up and down That same them you see their will lose to TnT at home They will be battling with the rest of US.
Mexico I think will get the top spot with the US with the other 4 battling for the next 1 and half spots.
The key for TnT is if they can stay within striking range of el salavador Honduras and CR with 4-5 games left.
It is not that I think Mexico is good but 12 -15 home pts will be good for ist and 2nd in this group, nobody is taking real licks. like how panama take last time
I wouldnt be too quick to write off Honduras so fast. ased on the cut-arse they put on Mexico last night, they are legitimate contenders for one of the automatic berths. They are a very physical, strong bunch of players...the type of team that the USA and Mexico absolutely dislike playing against.
Carlo costly has all the attributes of a good striker. Height, strenth, skill. Rambo Deleon..no wonder this guys play in the Serie A
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Our players as we can see is not up to par with the rest of the world ,we still playing the same kind of football from since god knows..KJ get rid of him because he isnt doing anything for us ,he knows he is our star player so i get it gives him the rights to play the way he do .....bring back aurthis whitley ,densil theobald, cyd grey,scott sealey ,brent sancho ,kelvin jack and get rid of the hurrifying garbage we had on the field last night ..We have no midfield ,forwards need to be more creative or move over for new bloods.Goalkeepers every game its a mistake by one of you guys,we need stability bring back kelvin jack cause thats the best we got unless we go scouting for new talent...Defence wow lol!!!! is a lost cause we have potential midfielders playing defense what are we doing..plzzzzzzzzzz make changing ...........
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Just reach back from Nashville... Rumour has it that Pacho's days are numbered..I got this from a reliable source, but cannot say who as yet, and I am sure you can figure out why....I also hope it is true...It may not happen right away, as it appears they do not have a replacment yet.
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Just reach back from Nashville... Rumour has it that Pacho's days are numbered..I got this from a reliable source, but cannot say who as yet, and I am sure you can figure out why....I also hope it is true...It may not happen right away, as it appears they do not have a replacment yet.
Source tell me that he did not speak to the team last night after the game. Was Latas and Yorke who talked to them.
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T&T player ratings
By Greg Lalas (goal.com)
Clayton Ince: 5. Nothing he could do on the first two goals after his defense let him down. Horrible error on the third goal.
Akile Edwards: 4.5. Out of his depth. Lost Altidore for the first goal. A sloppy tackle produced the game’s only yellow card.
Keyeno Thomas: 6.5. One of T&T’s only bright lights. Big, tough, and willing to battle with Ching for air balls. Plus, made smart decisions on when to step up and defend high.
Dennis Lawrence: 5. Practically unseen in the first 45, then made to look silly by Altidore on the second goal.
Anthony Wolfe: 4. Overmatched against Donovan, and lost possession much too easily. Left for dead on the play that led to the first goal.
Keon Daniel: 5.5. Good first step and tried to make things happen on the left flank. Couldn’t get past Hejduk enough to deliver a truly dangerous ball. Had a decent attempt on a rebound from a free kick.
Clyde Leon: 4.5. Was he even on the field? Invisible from the opening kick.
Christopher Birchall: 5. Largely overwhelmed in the middle, with little distribution up to the forwards. Any extra touch on the ball was shut down quickly by Mastroeni and Bradley.
Carlos Edwards: 6.5. The Soca Warriors other bright light. Crafty and tenacious on the ball, but with so little help behind him, was forced to hold back too often. His world-class speed caused problems for Beasley in the second half.
Stern John: 5. Not what one would expect from someone with 69 career international goals. Made Trinidad fans miss 37-year-old Dwight Yorke that much more.
Kenwyne Jones: 6. Showed that he plays in a top league, providing a decent target option. But he had no help. And he missed his one half-chance, putting his shot just past the bar.
Substitutions
Makan Hislop (46’): 4.5. No more effective than Akile Edwards at stopping Donovan. Skinned alive for the second goal. But, hey, he didn’t get booked.
Khaleem Hyland (56’): 5. Made one nice run into the attack but nothing came of it.
Jason Scotland (72’): 5. Nothing of note.
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If you fight without a cause, there will be no reward- the difference between this team and the wc team.
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KJ get a 6 :o
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before de game man was saying dat dey hope we get ah point from dis game ...well we did ! the point is we are not ready for this hex ! If de US had taken more of their chances we could have been more embarassed ! Altidore scored three but he missed the easiest chance to score ! ...is like a commentator said ...de US was teeing up Altidore for the hattrick as any one of three could have scored the third goal ! When side doing you dat ..you not in the same race !
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It is amazing to me how everybody lighting up Akile Edwards but not Keon Daniel. Keon Daniel was the worst player on the field last night. The reason Akile Edwards looks so bad is because Keon Daniel does not come back to defend. When Edwards is defending one on one he does not look as bad. Sure he makes some mistakes which is to be expected from a young player. But it does not matter who we put at left back if Keon Daniel continues to waltz around the field and not track the overlapping defender or midfielder. Numerous times last night I watched as Keon Daniel's man just ran free while he stood around gaping. What that does is continously put Akile Edwards in a 1 vs 2 situation and then he looks bad.
Once again I am not saying that Edwards doesn't deserve some of the blame but most of it should be focused on Keon Daniel. On the first goal Wolfe got caught ball watching but if Akile Edwards had stayed between the ball and Altidore that first goal would not have scored.
It's funny how everybody bawling fuh Cyd Gray to be brought back but ah wonder how many people remember when Cyd Gray made his debut at right back. It was in de 2001 qualifiers away to Costa Rica and he was eaten alive. That night Cyd Gray was Hernan Medford bitch. Early in his career the same thing men saying about Akile Edwards now is de same thing they were saying about Cyd Gray back then.
Right now this team has regressed to how we looked pre Beenhakker in 2005. We are not a team. There is absolutely no cohesiveness what so ever. One of the major problems we have is that we do not play compact. Look at our games and you can almost always see three distinct lines on the field. There are our two forwards playing flat then a big gap then our midfield almost flat then a big gap then our defenders almost always playing flat. This was one of the first things Beenie corrected when he took over he made up play more compact which closed the big gaps between our forwards and midfields and our midfielders and defenders.
Akile Edwards will be out for the next game let's see if his replacement fares any better with Keon Daniel in front of him.
funny how u speaking aabout keon daniel not running back being a big part in A.Edwards looking bad then go on to make reference to cyd gray's game against costa rica. I assuming u saw that game. why i feel the need to say assuming is because even the commentators in that game felt sorry 4 cyd gray because he wasnt getting help from any other player on the field. not right wing nor cb . nada. if u can watch that game over again. please do.
out side of that i generally agree with you but i felt need to defend cyd since i remember that game so clearly
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KJ get a 6 :o
I think the author was watching a different game. :o
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before de game man was saying dat dey hope we get ah point from dis game ...well we did ! the point is we are not ready for this hex ! If de US had taken more of their chances we could have been more embarassed ! Altidore scored three but he missed the easiest chance to score ! ...is like a commentator said ...de US was teeing up Altidore for the hattrick as any one of three could have scored the third goal ! When side doing you dat ..you not in the same race !
I know we was not ready because IC D fro in action
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qTCf8JExCM if he could make them save them shit ince make score could been save hes too fat and slow put kelvin jack back in goal cause the three men we have isnt good
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no excuses fire matura fire russell as assistant bring inn da brazilian coach the fired from chelsea
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our offensively gifted players do not take on men. i am sure we have the best dribblers in the hex. usa's 2nd goal. donovon rinse out hislop and square d ball.....goal.
how many times did our players actually take on an opponent and beat them. daniel did it hyland did but not enough and not in crucial areas of the field .
we not technicallly sound . we not strong in defence . yet we fail to use our strength
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A report on each player:
Kenyo Thomas - I personally don't think he is a good player, But on that night he WAS EXTRA BAD . Lost alot of head balls to Altidore, When he won the head balls the were off, poor marking skills, poor positioning as a defender ( on the second goal when Donovan went out wide, he left the middle of the defense causing it stretch and allowing Altidore an easy path through the middle). He is a laborer, with no skill. He can't play wit the ball at his feet.
Dennis Lawrence - Had the best game out of all the defenders. Won all the head balls, played well with the ball, and kept with the strikers. However, he lost concentration in the game and lost his marker. A huge part to this was because the wingbacks were exploited and the drew him out. Ok game tallman
A. Edwards - Please make a count of this stat if you look at highlights of the game. He passed the ball to the US team, either in throw-ins or passes 21 times. His lack of experience showed. He did not learn from his mistakes during the game, which is a bad sign. The US did not play with a right-wing essentially, and used Frankie Hejduk to bring in crosses. He crossed in the ball passed Edwards over 10-15 times. That is horrible. He never forced him to bo back. He could not string a proper pass together. He allowed Altidore to get on the inside and muscle his way to the first goal. But i guess in defence force, he is a big defender or a big player. As a player, i think his confidence was low after the first goal and Ince and company were yelling at him all game. Looked extremely uneasy before the game.
C. Edwards. I think his class was over the rest. His runs were well-timed. He came back to help the defence. He needs alot of help from his midfield to be effective. Due to Chris Birchall's fear of receiving the ball, he was forced to play in the middle at times, more than he should. Not the best crosser, but whats new. Put alot of pressure on Beasley and played very sensibly and within his game. He was fired up for that game.
Chris Birchall - I did not think he played worst that he really does. He was exposed during the game, to what his game really is. He was avoiding his role to receive the ball from the defenders. (please watch the clips) He did not check towards the ball to receive it. He tried defensively, but that is not good enough, because in today's game all defensive midfielders distribute the ball (Marco Sena, Andrea Pirlo, Micheal Carrick). He feeds off the other midfielders like Yorke, Latapy even Theobald and let's them retrieve the ball and he sits. That night, it was his job and he could not do it. His touch is not the best but he is a good guy. I think he got sub'ed because he did not get the ball. Chris i know you will probably read this but you should work on your attacking part of the game. Look to receive te ball from the defence more, this will help the team.
Leon - Did not play sensibly. Was, like Birchall inexistent. Hid from getting the ball. poor positioning and supporting the strikers. He did not string any good passes. However, defensively, i thought he was good at closing the midfielders down. Yet, he lost the battle...
Daniel - Showed he had class, but like Carlos, needed elp from the center midfielders. He is a player that works best with the ball played to him in a one v one position. However, because the center midfielders lacked the ability to go get the ball, he had the ball around the half-line and as such was ineffective. He needed to help Edwards more, but i dont know what the coach told him about defending.
Jones - I think he was good. Once again, he need alot of help from the midfield. Won alot of flick-ons but John, did not help the case. Moreover, when he held the ball up, he had no midfielders to lay it off to. Picture how attacking he would be if he had the crosses Frankie Hejduk gave.
John - I am a fan of 69 Goals, and i probably saw 40 of the goals fisrt hand. Over the last year, he lived on his past accolades but today, i think his time should be numbered. People say experience counts, but not as a foward. Performance counts. I know that people make mistakes, but when he received the call from Carlos, and he could not take it down it was embarrasing. I went to practice today and my American teamates thought that it was the most embarassing thing as well. To bring a ball down with his left foot? That is embarassing. That opportunity was a sure goal, cause had he taken it down it would have been a 2v1 for TandT. What he does best is holding up the ball and bringing it down. I like that about him. I hope he perfoms better in the future. I hate the attitude that he has, when for example A. Edwards messed up a pass and he put his hand in the air and when he gave a goal away he walks off. Scotty should have come on for him in the 60min in my eyes.
Despite the pressure and laughter i experienced from my teamates i saw alot of from the game:
- The Wolfe experiment is over
- Birchall's inability to check for the ball is exposed
- Carlos showed class and that he knows how to play even if his team is not
- Lawrence can still hold the fort
- Thomas is a poison to the defence, and he needs to go
- More scouting needs to be done on opposing teams.
Saddest, are you serious! K. Thomas and Lawrence both had outstanding games dude.....Are you kidding me? Which air balls the US won...We won 95% of all head balls with our central defenders.
Daniel showed class? Which class yuh talking bout? Steups... he was the worst yes I said it the worst player on the pitch last night. He should have come off in the first half, so bad was his performance.....
Hear what nah, learn the game and come back and post something constructive....steups.
Listen I agree with you on keon daniel he ent worth all that hype,if yuh doh drop back or yuh doh tackle forget playing football,but with that said I agree with most of what the man said,keyeno thomas is not a class defender and never will,he's a voom kicker defender from the 60's I always use to advocate that defenders should play alongside strikers while training even switching roles at times.
I'm just a fan who played the game for over 30 years and has some understanding of the game,so respect to the other posters opinions but that game exposed a lot of holes in our game and to a large extent showed the incompetence of a lot of our players.
I certainly hope they come to there senses soon and do a quick restructering of the team so as to acheive the right balance.
Here's my line-up: In Goal
kelvin jack(if yuh could get him)Ince
lawrence
julius james sancho(if yuh could get him)??? birchall
Samuel Yorke/ Hyland(latas 2nd ) Edwards
Glen /S. john
All the intangibles are here speed, control,skill,composure,confidence and a winning mentality.....god bless.
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Is it just me or are we continuing to play a game that is NOT our game. We have more individual talent than most but where was it on the field of play vs the USA? Nobody running at the defense to unnerve them, except or course when we bring on Russell. Why is Maturana not letting players play our style of football. The long ball etc is simply not working. Feedback welcome
Huh?..Trinis love to say we have more individual tealent than every onle else cause we cold dragg and hit man spanner...question to you ...Where is all this more individual talent that we supposedly have when comparing us to other concacaf countries??
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Is it just me or are we continuing to play a game that is NOT our game. We have more individual talent than most but where was it on the field of play vs the USA? Nobody running at the defense to unnerve them, except or course when we bring on Russell. Why is Maturana not letting players play our style of football. The long ball etc is simply not working. Feedback welcome
Huh?..Trinis love to say we have more individual tealent than every onle else cause we cold dragg and hit man spanner...question to you ...Where is all this more individual talent that we supposedly have when comparing us to other concacaf countries??
D cemetry full ah talented peeps y dey eh use d talent.
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They should Hire the Bajan who used to coach Joe Public.
Then bring in Rihana to give them a pep talk on how to take good licks.... :rotfl: just joking
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They should Hire the Bajan who used to coach Joe Public.
Then bring in Rihana to give them a pep talk on how to take good licks.... :rotfl: just joking
DV eh funny
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Slow is an understatement.
Trinidad is in its rightful position, at the bottom of the table
looking up.
Nobody on the Trinidad team had a good game, no one.
The score was 3 ZERO, no one had a good game!
When it comes to tactical moves, it has to be presumed
Maturana is calling the shots.
If that is the case, why ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH did he take
off Birchall?
The 2nd and 3rd goal came right up the middle
Who is the solitary plug to make the tackle when the other team
comes up the middle?
Quite honestly, IF we were to come 4th in this competition, we
will face either Uruguay or Chile, NEITHER of which we have a chance.
The game was a game up until Birchall was on, once he got subbed,
we were in triuble.
I totally agree. This is not the first time the game went south after the subs started. I saw something in this team in the first half and for about 10 mins in the second half where it looked like they could compete. Latas should have come on and started to make the telling passes and hold the midfield so Stern could have stopped playing so deep. At no point in any game should Birchie come off the field. We also need to go back to playing the ball on the ground and teeing up Birchie, Carlos and whoever for shots. I glad for Kenwyne at Sunderland but the man does not fit into Trinidad's style of playing. We don't whip in crosses and the man back to the goal game degenerate. His touch was poor since b4 the hex. That is not a problem with form. If we have a striker who coming into to the midfield he should be able to run at defenses and create space for other players i.e. Scottie and maybe Glenn.
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I am so depressed right now, not because the usa beat us but that T&T really played badly and its so disappointing. obvoiusly the dust-up between Stern John and Kenwynne Jones affected the whole team, but they have played badly in all three WCQs so far.
it was painful watching that performance last night. I don't think they stringed 4 passes the whole game! no one seemed like they were really trying, even the usually reliable Carlos Edwards had his heart truned off, everyone played terribly. I dont think maturacraphole (Maturana) knows how to deal with these personalities. no team unity, not in defence, not in midfield and certainly not up front and the the keeper-clayton ince-seemed more interested in directing traffic than securing his sticks.
dumping kenwynne or stern john is not an option for us and i wonder if Dwight Yorke can make a difference. so at this point to gain any forward progress we need to sack the coach and get one who can bring the same command as beenhakker did foru years ago. someone has to pay and at this point the only scapegoat can be Maturana-mainly beacuse he doesnt have a handle on this team.
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The first problem is we don't have a dicipline.
Why did we watch USA player's dribble only when we miss the ball?
4 back is zone deffence, but our deffence is man-to-man of 3 back.
We watched the ball only, we didn't feel the "space".
And we gave the space to USA.
DF had to feel the opponent next action against the pass.
example, the first goal.
When the long pass, we watched the left side player or ball.
Nobody held Donovan. Wolfe chased once, but he stopped to chase at once.
He was free. The goal from his pass.
If we red thier aim, Denis or the other player moved and kicked the ball away.
We could deffence.
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tell him again he aint funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct7Qc9IeCng watch this boss
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Our performance had a lot of flaws in it...From the horrible play of both starting wing backs, A.Edwards and A. Wolfe, who seem to have never played at the youth level where I know for a fact that all coaches teach tracking and marking, that is following the opposing player that making the run, which was evident throughout the entire game and team..On the first goal Wolfe let Donovan run straight through for the flick on while A. Edwards was ball watching as Altidore just sneak in on the back side...
Another issue has to be our lack of spirit nobody except the centre backs, Stern, Carlos and Birchall of the starters played with any kind of hustle or hunger...the rest of the XI seemed content to just play the entire game in neutral...I know when I was growing up, and that still happening, I always aspired, and still do, to play for the national team as it is supposed to be an honour but like that is a lost thing probably cuz my father old school...few of these players are willing to bleed for their country imho...
Stern John had a very impressive game, we all know that Stern is a poacher a la Raul and Inzaghi, and he cannot do that if we not shooting or we playin with two defensive mids in Birchall and Leon, Stern had to drop deep to play as a link up man which he did very well but we know that Stern has never been a speedster so if he drops deep it is unlikely that he will make it into the box in time for a cross from Carlos which at my count is good one in three/four...we should honestly look at a role for Stern, if we insist on playing him it cannot be as a striker because service is as poor as a b-mobile if you living quite-o quite-o...
Carlos is our biggest threat going forward and this honestly is sad...Quite frankly he cannot cross the ball so yes he made some good runs and yes he played with heart but I can get to the bye line all day long and kick the ball off the field or too deep for any of our players too...
Keon Daniel had an okay game he passed well and attempted to take on the right back but his tendency is to drift inside as a player who has played CM the majority of his career...his defensive effort is lacking and this is why A.Edwards should be cussing him to come back as well as our captain and the rest of our team...
We cannot continue to start to defensive midfielders and expect to be a threat going forward Hyland needs to start as is evident when he came on the first good cross which KJ duly got the extra point for as it was a perfect field goal...
I saw some plays where T&T actually made four to five passes in succession which I have not seen in a long time but the main murderer of our football is team selection...either we bring back Sancho, Cyd and Avery and make this World Cup or play some young boys, take licks and in 2013 we could mount a serious challenge in the hex...
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Fellas bear with me. This is my very first post and I just speaking from the heart right now. What take place last night in Tenessee was really hurtful. We didn't only lose but we were humiliated by Team USA. I thought the last 3-0 whipping in Chicago was the last as I convinced myself that we played a lot of junior players who were out of their depth. How wrong was I..To see senior players lose like that last night had me real down today...I in the tube going to work and yuh swear I had a death in my family. Sometimes I wonder if I taking this thing too serious but I know what it is....Is love for my team....Is love for my country..dais why is does hurt so..Yuh see when yuh outside whether in Europe, US, Canada etc yuh get to realise that people sometimes look down on Caribbean people. This is due to some science that I will not even get into tonight. Yuh does hear it in the English cricket commentary when they beating up on the Windies...Yuh does hear it when they beat we 3-0 in the Haseley Crawford stadium. You hear it before the World Cup as they thought we would be everybody's whipping boys. That's were we showed them that they don't know who we be...Warriors..Only 1 point but we take people respect....So what going on now???
My take on it is that it started with Jack Warner and his brand of politics. That derailed the vibe and ambition of Team 2006. The nasty blacklist...That was plantation politics..divide and conquer right through. Now JW doing this since I was a lil boy. My father was work with him in the early days of his administration and trust me JW never cared about players. So after the 2006 WC we went back 20 years. Then the dutchman get fired and I wasn't vex cuz I heard he hittin people and that dead wrong. They bring Maturana and to tell you the truth I am not a Maturana hater. But I think that he has shown that he can't develop the team and help the younger ones to grow. Therefore what we have is a mix and match festival...Try this one today..Drop dat one tommorow..No cohesion...No development..If he likes a player I expect him to work on the lad's weaknesses I expect to see growth. It's a sad fact that we lacking quality wing backs/full backs but 18 months is enough time to scout or groom a few. So we again spinning top in mud.
His judgement is also baffling at times...Scotty is the in form striker...Right now is he, Birchall, Yorke, Carlos, Tallest, Ince and any other 5. Latas good for a stellar 30mins that will bear fruit. From looking at the first 3 games like it or not Stern has actually deserved his playing time..Missed penalty and all. Again I am not a Stern fanatic but I am being objective. KJ lacking form and confidence and it's showing...and nothing is more hideous than a striker that has lost his confidence. Glen is on the fringes and must be involved also. Roberts is waiting in the wings. We have too many strikers for them to be without a goal in 3 matches. So Mat's stop embarrising KJ and let him find some form before putting him on. I am not going to go into the midfield crisis as men already cover that.
Anyway I wish my team the best in future games as we know it's not too late but drastic changes need to happen. Some of us have a flawed idea of skill as we think skill is synonymous with dribbling. Skill is made up of technicial awareness, control, vision, decision making, fight, fitness, ability to take instructions and adaptablility to conditions. Last night were were second best in every department. Players like Skilla need to grow into more than a player with a few dribbles and free kicks and I like the youth so I'm not fighting him down. I also want to thank all the forumites for their views. Since pre world cup i've been on this site religously and never posted. Allyuh fellas like family because is this is where I come to lick my wounds after we get a beating because I know everybody might not agree but we all feeling the pain together.
Blessings
and remember that although we love we Soca Warriors and we love we football. Your salvation is even more precious!
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nice post boss...
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Allyuh , we have the players with the talent, but the coach not picking them!! bottom line.
i think what we are seeing is a result of poor coaching tactics, and it was evident from the 1st bermuda game!
for the first time in our history we didn't make ah GC, it's the hex and this man still experimenting wid players,
how the hell could you compete if yuh doh have ah settled core of players.
beenhakker had we playing like ah world class team , well organized with speed and less effort!
this coach is we problem, he's just not good enough/ atall!!
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...and why should they?
What have we done to put fear... or even respect in them? As a team they won't say it... and maybe all of them don't think it, but clearly they not afraid of anything we dress up in a kit and put before them. When our attacking players get the ball at their feet, who among them will turn and run at a defender? Carlos... maybe. That's about it.
Kenwyne... he needs a perfectly delivered ball with just the right amount of pace and velocity, preferably with little spin that he can collect within 6 millimeters of the sweet spot on he instep, or maybe ah nice soft chest pass fuh him to trap. Other than that, forget it... he's not a threat.
Stern and Scotty have better first touches... but at this point, unless dem post up inside the box with their backs to goal them ent really doing nutten. I see Scotland get a nice thru ball last night and 50-year old Frankie Hejduk walk him down like is Usain Bolt who was chasing him... and strip him ah de ball too.
They don't respect our attacking players... and they certainly don't respect our defense. From Donovan, to Beasley, to Bradley, to Altidore... every man who collect a pass last night looking to push it past the defender in red and run past him. Fuh all de talk of de Americans playing "robot football"... robot football cutting we ass going and coming. Donovan hit Makan Hislop one intercol beat last night to set up the second goal. Completely undress him on de wing. If Hislop couldn't spell "Donovan" before last night ah guarantee he know how to spell it now because he get ah nice long look as he was getting leave out.
And the American players... who could blame them for being so confident against us in the one-on-one? Wha'is de worst could happen if dey fack up? Two, three passes and they getting de ball back... guaranteed because we cyah do one ass with it. They confident because they could afford to gamble and play loose... as Slates was telling me, they know we NOT going to score against them regardless, so dem basically playing with house money... they cyah lose either way.
... the other side of the respect coin is the fact that in this day and age, with twenty years of futility under we belt against them, it still have man in Trinidad and on this very board who refuse to respect US Soccer. Now is not my place or intent to convince man to respect them, or chastise them for not respecting dem. All I could do is point out how foolish it is. The one thing you CANNOT do in battle is underestimate your opponent... just ask the Americans about Vietnam and Afghanistan/Iraq. Now granted is not the one or two idiots from dis site who playing the game, but I still believe that as much as we players respect the Americans (maybe too much), they still underrating dem individually. How else to explain man rushing in and getting leave out all over the pitch last night? Fuhget de wrong address that Hislop collect... dem men was hitting we all kinda heel flick and thing. Dempsey even try ah bicycle in de box. Ching get ah long diagonal pass on de wing and Donovan instinctively run in behind him. Ching defender (Thomas?) was too pre-occupied with the ball coming in to bother to lay off and help cover Donovan (who did done leave out Wolfe). Ching hit ah neat flick to Donovan who was wide open, Tallest rush at Donovan... who den crossed tuh Altidore on the back post fuh de first goal. Altidore wide open because Akile (or Aklie, whey de ass he name) was too caught up looking fuh de nutsman in de stands to bother to keep track of Altidore behind him.
But yet... to get back to mih point, it still have man saying how dem Americans only have "fundamentals" and "fitness" but no skill. Ah man even bawl last night that he find it hard tuh stomach losing tuh de Americans because dem ent have "no respect 4 de game"... but we have? Because the majority of Americans ent give ah fart about football dat mean de players on de field eh respect it? We does "live and die" fuh de sport but dem don't? Yuh think Donovan Canadian father ent teach him about de sport when he was ah smallie? Yuh think Ching pick up football because it didn't have wave tuh surf in Hawaii? Dem men and dem love de sport as much as we... they probably just ent grow up playing small goal. And even so they still hitting we small goal beats all over de field.
We need to take this team... break it down and completely change it attitude. Until den we eh go one blasted place with what we doing.
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Only man I think they respect is Carlos. Respect, though. Not fear.
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i eh go lie. u come real good on your first post. nice read. bar set high now..heheh. welcome.
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Bakes, you have this thing down like if is ah college course... :rotfl:
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Nice read iyah... blessings and welcome to the forum...
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Our performance had a lot of flaws in it...From the horrible play of both starting wing backs, A.Edwards and A. Wolfe, who seem to have never played at the youth level where I know for a fact that all coaches teach tracking and marking, that is following the opposing player that making the run, which was evident throughout the entire game and team..On the first goal Wolfe let Donovan run straight through for the flick on while A. Edwards was ball watching as Altidore just sneak in on the back side...
Another issue has to be our lack of spirit nobody except the centre backs, Stern, Carlos and Birchall of the starters played with any kind of hustle or hunger...the rest of the XI seemed content to just play the entire game in neutral...I know when I was growing up, and that still happening, I always aspired, and still do, to play for the national team as it is supposed to be an honour but like that is a lost thing probably cuz my father old school...few of these players are willing to bleed for their country imho...
Stern John had a very impressive game, we all know that Stern is a poacher a la Raul and Inzaghi, and he cannot do that if we not shooting or we playin with two defensive mids in Birchall and Leon, Stern had to drop deep to play as a link up man which he did very well but we know that Stern has never been a speedster so if he drops deep it is unlikely that he will make it into the box in time for a cross from Carlos which at my count is good one in three/four...we should honestly look at a role for Stern, if we insist on playing him it cannot be as a striker because service is as poor as a b-mobile if you living quite-o quite-o...
Carlos is our biggest threat going forward and this honestly is sad...Quite frankly he cannot cross the ball so yes he made some good runs and yes he played with heart but I can get to the bye line all day long and kick the ball off the field or too deep for any of our players too...
Keon Daniel had an okay game he passed well and attempted to take on the right back but his tendency is to drift inside as a player who has played CM the majority of his career...his defensive effort is lacking and this is why A.Edwards should be cussing him to come back as well as our captain and the rest of our team...
We cannot continue to start to defensive midfielders and expect to be a threat going forward Hyland needs to start as is evident when he came on the first good cross which KJ duly got the extra point for as it was a perfect field goal...
I saw some plays where T&T actually made four to five passes in succession which I have not seen in a long time but the main murderer of our football is team selection...either we bring back Sancho, Cyd and Avery and make this World Cup or play some young boys, take licks and in 2013 we could mount a serious challenge in the hex...
I agree with everything you said in this post but brining back our 06 defenders who wil all be 32 to 36 in 2010 is not the answer. Neither is playing inexperienced defenders in our biggest game or playing midsout of position. Our only solution is to have 4 foreign based defenders........even if it means bringing back Spann. If we get a new coach and Jones gets some rest combined with a foreigh based defence and our already good midfield i still think we can do some damage in this Hex.
Positive Vibes
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I am so depressed right now, not because the usa beat us but that T&T really played badly and its so disappointing. obvoiusly the dust-up between Stern John and Kenwynne Jones affected the whole team, but they have played badly in all three WCQs so far.
it was painful watching that performance last night. I don't think they stringed 4 passes the whole game! no one seemed like they were really trying, even the usually reliable Carlos Edwards had his heart truned off, everyone played terribly. I dont think maturacraphole (Maturana) knows how to deal with these personalities. no team unity, not in defence, not in midfield and certainly not up front and the the keeper-clayton ince-seemed more interested in directing traffic than securing his sticks.
dumping kenwynne or stern john is not an option for us and i wonder if Dwight Yorke can make a difference. so at this point to gain any forward progress we need to sack the coach and get one who can bring the same command as beenhakker did foru years ago. someone has to pay and at this point the only scapegoat can be Maturana-mainly beacuse he doesnt have a handle on this team.
Tanx Darrel Roberts...your opinion has been noted!
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Yeh bakes yuh spot on dey. we should not use the name warriors after last nights lost lackluster performance!
to me the americans were the real warriors, and like true warriors they never underestemate the enemy.
until we find ah formula to beat the yanks, and i doubt we will, they will always dominate us wid speed, tactics, ultra fitness, and pin point accuracy.
they gone clear of the region, they belong in the league wid england and italy dem.
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It is amazing to me how everybody lighting up Akile Edwards but not Keon Daniel. Keon Daniel was the worst player on the field last night. The reason Akile Edwards looks so bad is because Keon Daniel does not come back to defend. When Edwards is defending one on one he does not look as bad. Sure he makes some mistakes which is to be expected from a young player. But it does not matter who we put at left back if Keon Daniel continues to waltz around the field and not track the overlapping defender or midfielder. Numerous times last night I watched as Keon Daniel's man just ran free while he stood around gaping. What that does is continously put Akile Edwards in a 1 vs 2 situation and then he looks bad.
Once again I am not saying that Edwards doesn't deserve some of the blame but most of it should be focused on Keon Daniel. On the first goal Wolfe got caught ball watching but if Akile Edwards had stayed between the ball and Altidore that first goal would not have scored.
It's funny how everybody bawling fuh Cyd Gray to be brought back but ah wonder how many people remember when Cyd Gray made his debut at right back. It was in de 2001 qualifiers away to Costa Rica and he was eaten alive. That night Cyd Gray was Hernan Medford bitch. Early in his career the same thing men saying about Akile Edwards now is de same thing they were saying about Cyd Gray back then.
Right now this team has regressed to how we looked pre Beenhakker in 2005. We are not a team. There is absolutely no cohesiveness what so ever. One of the major problems we have is that we do not play compact. Look at our games and you can almost always see three distinct lines on the field. There are our two forwards playing flat then a big gap then our midfield almost flat then a big gap then our defenders almost always playing flat. This was one of the first things Beenie corrected when he took over he made up play more compact which closed the big gaps between our forwards and midfields and our midfielders and defenders.
Akile Edwards will be out for the next game let's see if his replacement fares any better with Keon Daniel in front of him.
funny how u speaking aabout keon daniel not running back being a big part in A.Edwards looking bad then go on to make reference to cyd gray's game against costa rica. I assuming u saw that game. why i feel the need to say assuming is because even the commentators in that game felt sorry 4 cyd gray because he wasnt getting help from any other player on the field. not right wing nor cb . nada. if u can watch that game over again. please do.
out side of that i generally agree with you but i felt need to defend cyd since i remember that game so clearly
I think you misunderstood my post. I was not trying to bash Cyd Gray. I was simply trying to make a comparison between what happended to Cyd Gray back then and what is happening to Akile Edwards right now. It is almost de identical situation replaying itself. Just like how Cyd Gray was abandoned that night is de same thing Keon Daniel doing to Akile Edwards now.
Cyd Gray get lambast back then just like Akile Edwards is getting now. But over the years the team and Cyd Gray improved so much so that a lot of the same people who were bashing him and calling him shithong then crying fuh him to be included in de squad now.
I was one of Akile Edwards biggest bashers on this site but after watching him play quite a few games I realize that he has all the necessary tools to be a solid defender. He makes mistakes yes but he looks worse than he really is because he has no help.
So once again my post was not to dis Cyd Gray in any way. he is probably still our best option for the right back position right now.
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A winning mentality along with national pride just doesn't start at the senior level. It must be ingrained within the youth teams and even moreso within our culture. When anyone dons a national uniform it should be considered the highest privilege because you're no longer playing for yourself and I think that is what most of the guys on the team fail to understand. So in terms of respect or the lack thereof for the national team the players must first understand the responsibility that they are charged with.
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Nice post man!!!!
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Our performance had a lot of flaws in it...From the horrible play of both starting wing backs, A.Edwards and A. Wolfe, who seem to have never played at the youth level where I know for a fact that all coaches teach tracking and marking, that is following the opposing player that making the run, which was evident throughout the entire game and team..On the first goal Wolfe let Donovan run straight through for the flick on while A. Edwards was ball watching as Altidore just sneak in on the back side...
Another issue has to be our lack of spirit nobody except the centre backs, Stern, Carlos and Birchall of the starters played with any kind of hustle or hunger...the rest of the XI seemed content to just play the entire game in neutral...I know when I was growing up, and that still happening, I always aspired, and still do, to play for the national team as it is supposed to be an honour but like that is a lost thing probably cuz my father old school...few of these players are willing to bleed for their country imho...
Stern John had a very impressive game, we all know that Stern is a poacher a la Raul and Inzaghi, and he cannot do that if we not shooting or we playin with two defensive mids in Birchall and Leon, Stern had to drop deep to play as a link up man which he did very well but we know that Stern has never been a speedster so if he drops deep it is unlikely that he will make it into the box in time for a cross from Carlos which at my count is good one in three/four...we should honestly look at a role for Stern, if we insist on playing him it cannot be as a striker because service is as poor as a b-mobile if you living quite-o quite-o...
Carlos is our biggest threat going forward and this honestly is sad...Quite frankly he cannot cross the ball so yes he made some good runs and yes he played with heart but I can get to the bye line all day long and kick the ball off the field or too deep for any of our players too...
Keon Daniel had an okay game he passed well and attempted to take on the right back but his tendency is to drift inside as a player who has played CM the majority of his career...his defensive effort is lacking and this is why A.Edwards should be cussing him to come back as well as our captain and the rest of our team...
We cannot continue to start to defensive midfielders and expect to be a threat going forward Hyland needs to start as is evident when he came on the first good cross which KJ duly got the extra point for as it was a perfect field goal...
I saw some plays where T&T actually made four to five passes in succession which I have not seen in a long time but the main murderer of our football is team selection...either we bring back Sancho, Cyd and Avery and make this World Cup or play some young boys, take licks and in 2013 we could mount a serious challenge in the hex...
Really....That's an interesting point of view. Being at the game I could tell you he didn't have a good game especially defensively. He did nothing absolutely nothing to help KJ and the midfielders. Whenever he lost the ball he always ready to argue instead of putting his head down and going after regaining possession. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess but in my opinion Stern did not have a good game. I don't know if you were at the game but TV really disguises a player's true performance.
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FROM MATURANA to the ball boys!
its one thing to give your best and get beaten but a whole other thing when you play as though you were forced to and get beaten
have you no shame? ntohing about thie rdisplay yesterday was professional, nothing
top to bottom left to right, i feel sorry for carlos and chris having to play with what is tant amount to the footballing version of CEPEP attitude on the pitch.
a USA side that never got out of first gear beat us 3-0
stern played toots but we can't blame him the entire side played shite
utter shite
no desire
no drive
no determination
disgusting
they owe us all an appology, at the least OR win every last flicking game to make amends
send in the under 20's yes at least they can trap pass and shoot
our highest pass strong total? 5 f**kign 5 in 90 minutes
USA did thier job close the guy passed to as he can't trap shit
that nuumber 17 should is the new dwarkia all dribble and no heart
c0ntheads
fire them all
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Our own football federation does not respect the football fans of this country by immdeiately getting rid of this coach...so why should the US respect us??...and we aint doin shit to make the US respect us.respect in football has to be earned
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I agree, nice post man, and from the heart, I agree with the things you said, and the salvation part I especially agree with, cause in the end that's all that matters! Take care man.
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Yuh bring meh to ah emotional point I have not been in sometime.
great post......
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i respect yuh post..
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Interesting post; maybe it's ignorance or foolish pride but the American style of football is not better than ours. They have the fundamentals and fitness yes, but we don't. But more importantly, they have a tighter organization with a h*ll of a lot more pride and motivation than us. US soccer is a big thing 24-7, not juss come WCQ time. These American players believe they are up there with the best, whether or not they are is another question but they believe it and you see that on the field. I can't stand the Americans' arrogance but even more I can't stand T&T's lacklustre effort the past year or so.
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Well thought out post as usual Bakes.
But beleive it or not, the mentality was changing in 2006 under Beenie, and I honestly beleive that had he been our coach for the last 3 years we would have ahad a more cohesive, professional outfit out there.
The only sad thing is that there are still chupid ppl on this board that believe Beenie held us back in the World Cup and didn't allow us to play true "Trini" football. That kind of ignorance just leaves me speechless. Well we got a good dose of non-Beenie, true "Trini" football last night.
I hope all the Beenie haters enjoyed it.
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They have the fundamentals and fitness... tighter organization... more pride and motivation
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So what it is we better at exactly? Beats?
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They have the fundamentals and fitness... tighter organization... more pride and motivation
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So what it is we better at exactly? Beats?
we THINK we better at that but in reality we holding more beat that sharing. Trinis need to realize this.
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Very Good Thread indeed
Interesting post; maybe it's ignorance or foolish pride but the American style of football is not better than ours. They have the fundamentals and fitness yes, but we don't. But more importantly, they have a tighter organization with a h*ll of a lot more pride and motivation than us. US soccer is a big thing 24-7, not juss come WCQ time. These American players believe they are up there with the best, whether or not they are is another question but they believe it and you see that on the field. I can't stand the Americans' arrogance but even more I can't stand T&T's lacklustre effort the past year or so.
I doh understand HOW our style is better than the USA
that 3-0 score spoke VOLUMES for me
most of what you mention there I believe the onus is on the TTF federation to provide and when the TTFF has Scrooge McDuck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcIszzV-WrY) as "spetial advithor" then we Goose will be forever cooked
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I really appreciate your views...
on a side not what happen to GU baseketball ????
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They have the fundamentals and fitness... tighter organization... more pride and motivation
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So what it is we better at exactly? Beats?
Our style is better, not the team, not the organization. A strong, fit, organized Warriors team could beat the Americans...man for man. When they were the laughing stock of the world yuh feel they still didn't believe they were better? Yuh can't walk like a dog with he tail between he legs. We call warriors for a reason.
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They have the fundamentals and fitness... tighter organization... more pride and motivation
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So what it is we better at exactly? Beats?
Our style is better, not the team, not the organization. A strong, fit, organized Warriors team could beat the Americans...man for man. When they were the laughing stock of the world yuh feel they still didn't believe they were better? Yuh can't walk like a dog with he tail between he legs. We call warriors for a reason.
We called Warriors because nobody was goin Germany if we was called pu$$ies. :rotfl:
But seriously, a strong, fit, organized Warriors team is a dream, an illusion. A nice one doh, will be nice to have. We sure coulda use dat last night in Nashville.
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They have the fundamentals and fitness... tighter organization... more pride and motivation
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So what it is we better at exactly? Beats?
Our style is better, not the team, not the organization. A strong, fit, organized Warriors team could beat the Americans...man for man. When they were the laughing stock of the world yuh feel they still didn't believe they were better? Yuh can't walk like a dog with he tail between he legs. We call warriors for a reason.
We called Warriors because nobody was goin Germany if we was called pu$$ies. :rotfl:
But seriously, a strong, fit, organized Warriors team is a dream, an illusion. A nice one doh, will be nice to have. We sure coulda use dat last night in Nashville.
I agree it's an illusion at this point. Time to stop the excuses from TTFF, Warner, the players...I getting real real tired of dey nonsense.....time for them to take accountability for their actions thus far....
maybe ah still dreaming :-\
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They have the fundamentals and fitness... tighter organization... more pride and motivation
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So what it is we better at exactly? Beats?
Our style is better, not the team, not the organization. A strong, fit, organized Warriors team could beat the Americans...man for man. When they were the laughing stock of the world yuh feel they still didn't believe they were better? Yuh can't walk like a dog with he tail between he legs. We call warriors for a reason.
We called Warriors because nobody was goin Germany if we was called pu$$ies. :rotfl:
But seriously, a strong, fit, organized Warriors team is a dream, an illusion. A nice one doh, will be nice to have. We sure coulda use dat last night in Nashville.
I agree it's an illusion at this point. Time to stop the excuses from TTFF, Warner, the players...I getting real real tired of dey nonsense.....time for them to take accountability for their actions thus far....
maybe ah still dreaming :-\
more like a nightmare, no dream or illusion breds, the reality is we are pawns
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What exactly is our style of play? I always wanted to know this.
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It is amazing to me how everybody lighting up Akile Edwards but not Keon Daniel. Keon Daniel was the worst player on the field last night. The reason Akile Edwards looks so bad is because Keon Daniel does not come back to defend. When Edwards is defending one on one he does not look as bad. Sure he makes some mistakes which is to be expected from a young player. But it does not matter who we put at left back if Keon Daniel continues to waltz around the field and not track the overlapping defender or midfielder. Numerous times last night I watched as Keon Daniel's man just ran free while he stood around gaping. What that does is continously put Akile Edwards in a 1 vs 2 situation and then he looks bad.
Once again I am not saying that Edwards doesn't deserve some of the blame but most of it should be focused on Keon Daniel. On the first goal Wolfe got caught ball watching but if Akile Edwards had stayed between the ball and Altidore that first goal would not have scored.
It's funny how everybody bawling fuh Cyd Gray to be brought back but ah wonder how many people remember when Cyd Gray made his debut at right back. It was in de 2001 qualifiers away to Costa Rica and he was eaten alive. That night Cyd Gray was Hernan Medford bitch. Early in his career the same thing men saying about Akile Edwards now is de same thing they were saying about Cyd Gray back then.
Right now this team has regressed to how we looked pre Beenhakker in 2005. We are not a team. There is absolutely no cohesiveness what so ever. One of the major problems we have is that we do not play compact. Look at our games and you can almost always see three distinct lines on the field. There are our two forwards playing flat then a big gap then our midfield almost flat then a big gap then our defenders almost always playing flat. This was one of the first things Beenie corrected when he took over he made up play more compact which closed the big gaps between our forwards and midfields and our midfielders and defenders.
Akile Edwards will be out for the next game let's see if his replacement fares any better with Keon Daniel in front of him.
funny how u speaking aabout keon daniel not running back being a big part in A.Edwards looking bad then go on to make reference to cyd gray's game against costa rica. I assuming u saw that game. why i feel the need to say assuming is because even the commentators in that game felt sorry 4 cyd gray because he wasnt getting help from any other player on the field. not right wing nor cb . nada. if u can watch that game over again. please do.
out side of that i generally agree with you but i felt need to defend cyd since i remember that game so clearly
I think you misunderstood my post. I was not trying to bash Cyd Gray. I was simply trying to make a comparison between what happended to Cyd Gray back then and what is happening to Akile Edwards right now. It is almost de identical situation replaying itself. Just like how Cyd Gray was abandoned that night is de same thing Keon Daniel doing to Akile Edwards now.
Cyd Gray get lambast back then just like Akile Edwards is getting now. But over the years the team and Cyd Gray improved so much so that a lot of the same people who were bashing him and calling him shithong then crying fuh him to be included in de squad now.
I was one of Akile Edwards biggest bashers on this site but after watching him play quite a few games I realize that he has all the necessary tools to be a solid defender. He makes mistakes yes but he looks worse than he really is because he has no help.
So once again my post was not to dis Cyd Gray in any way. he is probably still our best option for the right back position right now.
I agree with you Nuff, but the thing that is clear for me and most is the Keon Daniel IS NOT A WINGER. I don't know what it will take for Maturana to grasp this, probably our elimination from WCQ. The man's game is obviously suited to midfield.
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Good post Born Again!
Yuh seemed to know yuh stuff!!
Is it correct that yuh live in London?
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Imagine in practice just now, them trinbago boys have to take talks from players who can't name 5 players on the USA team. I feel real sorry for them boys. But then, real quick they showed them that the T&T players are still the best on the team.
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Really....That's an interesting point of view. Being at the game I could tell you he didn't have a good game especially defensively. He did nothing absolutely nothing to help KJ and the midfielders. Whenever he lost the ball he always ready to argue instead of putting his head down and going after regaining possession. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess but in my opinion Stern did not have a good game. I don't know if you were at the game but TV really disguises a player's true performance.
People here swear the replays they see and the angles of the camera tells the whole story. I agree wholeheartedly as I have the same observations with regard to SJ that you did
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It is amazing to me how everybody lighting up Akile Edwards but not Keon Daniel. Keon Daniel was the worst player on the field last night. The reason Akile Edwards looks so bad is because Keon Daniel does not come back to defend. When Edwards is defending one on one he does not look as bad. Sure he makes some mistakes which is to be expected from a young player. But it does not matter who we put at left back if Keon Daniel continues to waltz around the field and not track the overlapping defender or midfielder. Numerous times last night I watched as Keon Daniel's man just ran free while he stood around gaping. What that does is continously put Akile Edwards in a 1 vs 2 situation and then he looks bad.
Once again I am not saying that Edwards doesn't deserve some of the blame but most of it should be focused on Keon Daniel. On the first goal Wolfe got caught ball watching but if Akile Edwards had stayed between the ball and Altidore that first goal would not have scored.
It's funny how everybody bawling fuh Cyd Gray to be brought back but ah wonder how many people remember when Cyd Gray made his debut at right back. It was in de 2001 qualifiers away to Costa Rica and he was eaten alive. That night Cyd Gray was Hernan Medford bitch. Early in his career the same thing men saying about Akile Edwards now is de same thing they were saying about Cyd Gray back then.
Right now this team has regressed to how we looked pre Beenhakker in 2005. We are not a team. There is absolutely no cohesiveness what so ever. One of the major problems we have is that we do not play compact. Look at our games and you can almost always see three distinct lines on the field. There are our two forwards playing flat then a big gap then our midfield almost flat then a big gap then our defenders almost always playing flat. This was one of the first things Beenie corrected when he took over he made up play more compact which closed the big gaps between our forwards and midfields and our midfielders and defenders.
Akile Edwards will be out for the next game let's see if his replacement fares any better with Keon Daniel in front of him.
funny how u speaking aabout keon daniel not running back being a big part in A.Edwards looking bad then go on to make reference to cyd gray's game against costa rica. I assuming u saw that game. why i feel the need to say assuming is because even the commentators in that game felt sorry 4 cyd gray because he wasnt getting help from any other player on the field. not right wing nor cb . nada. if u can watch that game over again. please do.
out side of that i generally agree with you but i felt need to defend cyd since i remember that game so clearly
I think you misunderstood my post. I was not trying to bash Cyd Gray. I was simply trying to make a comparison between what happended to Cyd Gray back then and what is happening to Akile Edwards right now. It is almost de identical situation replaying itself. Just like how Cyd Gray was abandoned that night is de same thing Keon Daniel doing to Akile Edwards now.
Cyd Gray get lambast back then just like Akile Edwards is getting now. But over the years the team and Cyd Gray improved so much so that a lot of the same people who were bashing him and calling him shithong then crying fuh him to be included in de squad now.
I was one of Akile Edwards biggest bashers on this site but after watching him play quite a few games I realize that he has all the necessary tools to be a solid defender. He makes mistakes yes but he looks worse than he really is because he has no help.
So once again my post was not to dis Cyd Gray in any way. he is probably still our best option for the right back position right now.
I agree with you Nuff, but the thing that is clear for me and most is the Keon Daniel IS NOT A WINGER. I don't know what it will take for Maturana to grasp this, probably our elimination from WCQ. The man's game is obviously suited to midfield.
By tomorrow evening, the only thing Maturana grasping is a one way ticket back to he horse farm in Columbia.
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What exactly is our style of play? I always wanted to know this.
Daiz what I trying to understand too. Is not technique or fitness or organization. So... I guess it must be spanner and drag then?
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we deserve any respect ???
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"Views on T&T v USA game"
That was the real game last night?? I thought that was a good April Fool's joke.
I now catch the joke. ... The real game going to play next week
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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"Views on T&T v USA game"
That was the real game last night?? I thought that was a good April Fool's joke.
I now catch the joke. ... The real game going to play next week
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
april fools ???
real game playing next week ???
ya might have something there :devil:
shit, I pinched myself and woke up :P
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If you rate our players head to head with US players from the midfield up, we have the more naturally talented players. Keon while playing for Unattached F. C. still shows to be more talanted than Donovan and the rest of U.S. players. With the right coaching, some motivation and a totally foreign based defence, we could be leading the Hex.
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It is amazing to me how everybody lighting up Akile Edwards but not Keon Daniel. Keon Daniel was the worst player on the field last night. The reason Akile Edwards looks so bad is because Keon Daniel does not come back to defend. When Edwards is defending one on one he does not look as bad. Sure he makes some mistakes which is to be expected from a young player. But it does not matter who we put at left back if Keon Daniel continues to waltz around the field and not track the overlapping defender or midfielder. Numerous times last night I watched as Keon Daniel's man just ran free while he stood around gaping. What that does is continously put Akile Edwards in a 1 vs 2 situation and then he looks bad.
Once again I am not saying that Edwards doesn't deserve some of the blame but most of it should be focused on Keon Daniel. On the first goal Wolfe got caught ball watching but if Akile Edwards had stayed between the ball and Altidore that first goal would not have scored.
It's funny how everybody bawling fuh Cyd Gray to be brought back but ah wonder how many people remember when Cyd Gray made his debut at right back. It was in de 2001 qualifiers away to Costa Rica and he was eaten alive. That night Cyd Gray was Hernan Medford bitch. Early in his career the same thing men saying about Akile Edwards now is de same thing they were saying about Cyd Gray back then.
Right now this team has regressed to how we looked pre Beenhakker in 2005. We are not a team. There is absolutely no cohesiveness what so ever. One of the major problems we have is that we do not play compact. Look at our games and you can almost always see three distinct lines on the field. There are our two forwards playing flat then a big gap then our midfield almost flat then a big gap then our defenders almost always playing flat. This was one of the first things Beenie corrected when he took over he made up play more compact which closed the big gaps between our forwards and midfields and our midfielders and defenders.
Akile Edwards will be out for the next game let's see if his replacement fares any better with Keon Daniel in front of him.
funny how u speaking aabout keon daniel not running back being a big part in A.Edwards looking bad then go on to make reference to cyd gray's game against costa rica. I assuming u saw that game. why i feel the need to say assuming is because even the commentators in that game felt sorry 4 cyd gray because he wasnt getting help from any other player on the field. not right wing nor cb . nada. if u can watch that game over again. please do.
out side of that i generally agree with you but i felt need to defend cyd since i remember that game so clearly
I think you misunderstood my post. I was not trying to bash Cyd Gray. I was simply trying to make a comparison between what happended to Cyd Gray back then and what is happening to Akile Edwards right now. It is almost de identical situation replaying itself. Just like how Cyd Gray was abandoned that night is de same thing Keon Daniel doing to Akile Edwards now.
Look at the game again and see how much time Daniel pushed forward. He did not do anything really, but last night he was not guilty of abandoning Akile.
Cyd Gray get lambast back then just like Akile Edwards is getting now. But over the years the team and Cyd Gray improved so much so that a lot of the same people who were bashing him and calling him shithong then crying fuh him to be included in de squad now.
I was one of Akile Edwards biggest bashers on this site but after watching him play quite a few games I realize that he has all the necessary tools to be a solid defender. He makes mistakes yes but he looks worse than he really is because he has no help.
Do you care to point out these "tools"?
So once again my post was not to dis Cyd Gray in any way. he is probably still our best option for the right back position right now.
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just as I predicted... a 3 - nil outcome.
My crystal ball was working well. ;D
1 I doh believe T&T in their current form could beat USA . We tried so many times and the only time we succeded was with their B team. But it is very possible that one day we would cut their arse or some critical changes are made e.g .fire the afro jackass. T&T CAN BEAT THE USA!
2 I believe we could and would beat Costa Rica and Mexico when we do meet them in the next upcoming matches. We go get some points and get in the 3rd spot doh worry fellas. If El Salvador could beat Mexico 6-0 there is hope for we.
Why de hell, two times in a row, Maturana go start lame arse Stern who in the Honduras game prove he is a waste ah time. Some people say dey still have a goal in Stern... I say that horse done ride into de sunset long time. Time to replace Stern! >:( >:(
4 Kenweyne may not have played his best yesterday, but he was probably just having a bad day.
5 I can't understand why our guys does fold up when they playing the USA. Is like as soon as the whistle blows they does get confuse and play shit. Like some American working obeah on dem.
6 I feel Maturana working for the Spanish only. De man looking to sabotage we team. How you go play Stern man.... and twice....and not pull him over the damn pitch? >:( >:(
7 Where de hell was Latapy?
8 As somebody say, these guys need to play with each other for at least everyday for a month in order to get and know each other style. This limited practice together thing is not wukking.
anyway, fellas, doh dispair, we go win 2-1 against Costa Rica in June. Doh start pulling out the glass off Lanate yet ;D :beermug:
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I feel last night the fellas sent a message that they not happy. Look at the body language of the fellas.
Daniel just standing on the field.
Carlos have a ball to cross and he kick it out of bound for no apparent reason.
Lawrence played without really saying anything, so did KJ and Carlos.
No one helping the other.
I feel is a message went out last night.
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I feel last night the fellas sent a message that they not happy. Look at the body language of the fellas.
Daniel just standing on the field.
Carlos have a ball to cross and he kick it out of bound for no apparent reason.
Lawrence played without really saying anything, so did KJ and Carlos.
No one helping the other.
I feel is a message went out last night.
That message cost our country points and embarassed alot of Trinbagonians....and if its a messgae then it was being sent since the El Salvador game...and again coem June we should expect this same type of message?
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If you rate our players head to head with US players from the midfield up, we have the more naturally talented players. Keon while playing for Unattached F. C. still shows to be more talanted than Donovan and the rest of U.S. players. With the right coaching, some motivation and a totally foreign based defence, we could be leading the Hex.
Exactly how are you judging talent in this case ? What would be your rational for saying Keon is more talented than Donovan ?
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And after the game, they all went and partied like normal. Now, if you lose 3-0 and get embarrassed on National Television, how can you go and party??????????????
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I feel last night the fellas sent a message that they not happy. Look at the body language of the fellas.
Daniel just standing on the field.
Carlos have a ball to cross and he kick it out of bound for no apparent reason.
Lawrence played without really saying anything, so did KJ and Carlos.
No one helping the other.
I feel is a message went out last night.
That message cost our country points and embarassed alot of Trinbagonians....and if its a messgae then it was being sent since the El Salvador game...and again coem June we should expect this same type of message?
I wonder if is the same message they sent in the first game against Bermuda and in the recent Digicel Cup ?
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They hadda change we name to the SOCA WORRIERS ::)
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Elan,
What are they unhappy about? They have the opportunity to play in the WC. They need to prepare themselves mentally before they come to TT to play. They are pros. They don't work 9 to 5 like the previous teams 20 yrs ago. They just not good enough. Sorry!!!!!!! Maybe some of the guys on this team and the current u20s will be ready for Brazil. That is if Jack W. doh do one of his grand scheme.
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Corbeaux,
I don't know how you come to that conclusion after watching the last 3 WC games.
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just as I predicted... a 3 - nil outcome.
My crystal ball was working well. ;D
Where is the link with your prediction friend?
Lets see it before we even start to deal with the rest of your post!
Not in the mood for jokers right now!!
Link please?
Many thanks
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They hadda change we name to the SOCA WORRIERS ::)
lol :rotfl:
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If you rate our players head to head with US players from the midfield up, we have the more naturally talented players. Keon while playing for Unattached F. C. still shows to be more talanted than Donovan and the rest of U.S. players. With the right coaching, some motivation and a totally foreign based defence, we could be leading the Hex.
Exactly how are you judging talent in this case ? What would be your rational for saying Keon is more talented than Donovan ?
Donovan has some talent but the difference between him and Daniel is conditioning. Any player can be condotioned to develop fitness but to have the skill that Keon does makes him a better player. Just look at Keon's touch on the ball against the U.S. and how much close control he has. The only player I ever see with that kind of skill in Trinidad is Latas.
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Only man I think they respect is Carlos. Respect, though. Not fear.
Man they played marcus beasley the first time in national team as RB. How's that respect? I think Kenwyne was the only one they respected being they double teamed him with Odunwe? and Bocanegra
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I think they respect us. They know TT is jekyll and Hyde team.
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listen last night my wife was with me at that game. she is american and has on her US jersey and her soca warriors jersey. i actually asked her to wear her US jersey because i am totally ashamed of associating with what i saw last night.
its one thing to discuss the coach is shit...he is and needs to be fired now...but its another thing that we have players playing on the field that have no right playing there. from d back...tallman had a decent game last night. he read the game as well as he could of and won alot of crucial headers that he was asked to win. we need him back there. thomas was decent as well but again he problem is ball to foot...he clueless but he showed some kinda heart last night and didnt back down from challenges and i respect that. edwards, i wont waste too much time on him because the kinda things i want to say about this fella d moderators might delete my thread. all in all he is frigin garbage and shud be on some eddie hart team never to play on a national team ever in life, until he learns to play that position. wolfe...unfortunately his coach hung his ass out to dry by playing him in that position, but he didnt show d heart either. so i wud fire both wing backs!!!
midfield...chris birchall is the heart and soul of the Trinidad and Tobago national team!!! having said that, y was he substituted is a mystery to me and apparently to him. he said so himself to me after the game. the only player that we have on the field who may have less dribbling skill than d rest but that muscle in his chest in an invaluable assest to this team. clyde leon, he went through the motions last night and is not ready for this level of football. he had an opportunity in the first half when he received the ball on the right side of the field and he had at least 25 yards of free space in front of him and he looked clueless as to what to do in that position. not much heart and desire shown from him either but i'll put it down to stage fright. he not ready! carlos, was one of our better players on the field last night...and he didnt have a good game. he needs to be a bit more decisive in his decision making...whether he going to dribble, cross or shoot. understandably alot of times he held onto the ball he had no options but he has to do better with that. after birchall he showed the most heart on the field. keon frigin daniel...he along with edwards needs to go play eddie hart football. he has no idea what his defensive responsibilities are..which contributes to akile being raped as much times as he usually does during any given game. he is not fit. he cannot be allowed to play on this team until he finds a pro team to play with and regains his fitness. honestly i dont see him as a winger because everytime he gets d f**kin ball he cuttin inside and losing it. not one left sided cross from our team. he was the first person to come out of the team meeting they had after the game last night and im hoping they told him he was dropped. so overall, fire leon and daniel.
strikers...stern worked harder than he usually does, however we need alot more from him. i cant tell you how many times i saw ching and altidore win balls from our midfielders (granted our midfielders cud lose the ball to my U10 team right now) and thats wat we need from stern. he did well holding up d ball and trying to involve men but for the most part when he gets it he has to wait 2-3 seconds on someone to lend a helping hand. his touch is off and it was evident on the ball carlos gave him on d back post. his heart i think is there but his desire wains once he realised others around him was playing GUTLESS FOOTBALL!!! as a leader he needed to rally those bastards instead of joining them. mr. KJ, he needs to be dropped until he regains his touch. the ball goes to him and its like hitting th ball on a concrete wall. for all his size he allowed Ouneye look like this great defender. never did he make him feel uncomfortable. actually scotland won a challenge with d same defender...and scotty is no KJ physically. no heart from KJ, no desire...and thats worst than his awful touch and lack of confidence. he does not support his fellow strike partner, usually leaving him alone to fend for himself. he does not know how to run off the ball. he has no anticipation and no instincts as a striker...not looking for flick on's or deflections! stern gave him a glorious chance when he ran over a ball...he skied it over the bar...and it was like well small thing oui! carlos sent one in the box for him...he allowed the defender to get in front him cleared instead of going to the ball and challenging. so, from these two i wud definitely fire KJ and stern probably on d fence.
hyland based on his last 2 performances has to start. he is hustling defensively (outside of chris he was the only one not allowing the US midfield not to comfortably turn with the ball). he showed alot of heart, desire and skill to compete on this level and i think him playing in belgium has benefitted him tremendously. we must keep this youth. scotland came on and the service he got was down right awful but he still showed some fight and desire and heart. makan was put in a bad position by his coach like wolfe and was raped on the second goal. not sure if he is ready as yet for this level. he did show some determination when he came on so i think he on d fence with stern.
maturana HAS TO BE FIRED NOW...BEFORE THE COSTA RICA GAME!!! he had the rope around his neck before this game but when he took out chris, he kicked the chair from under him and hung himself. my wife who knows nothing about d game was questioning this move and he as our national team manager didnt realise that chris was the best thing out there. he has to be an ass for not seeing that!!!
i am totally disgusted by this team. me and arimaman was talking after the game and we both displayed the same heartache after watching that game live. it was disgusting and highly embarassing to be associated with a set of players who PLAYED GUTLESS, HEARTLESS AND SHOWED NO UTTER RESPECT FOR THEIR CRAFT AND THE GAME!!! today for the first time i was ashamed to be a trini....thks to the columbian and his boss...JACK WARNER!!! however, i still hold the players responsible as well for going out there and no taking pride in their country!!!
YOU ALL SHOULD BE ASHAMED!!! :devil: :devil: :devil:
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Only man I think they respect is Carlos. Respect, though. Not fear.
Man they played marcus beasley the first time in national team as RB. How's that respect? I think Kenwyne was the only one they respected being they double teamed him with Odunwe? and Bocanegra
They play Beasley there specifically to match Carlos. Carlos was a concern.
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If you rate our players head to head with US players from the midfield up, we have the more naturally talented players. Keon while playing for Unattached F. C. still shows to be more talanted than Donovan and the rest of U.S. players. With the right coaching, some motivation and a totally foreign based defence, we could be leading the Hex.
this is the single most ridiculous concept that seems to plague too many fans of inferior teams. listen, every team on the planet has a bunch of plausible 'what ifs' to add to their team to make them better. The US can also say all we need is a little bit of this and some of that and we could beat Brazil and Argentina consistently'...blah blah blah. So give it a rest
More naturally talented? Steeups..people still talking this pack of nonsense. How you measuring that? More importantly, what you measuring.....speed, lung capacity, quickness of thought, reflexes, flexibility, concentration, muscle strength, balance, ability to handle pressure, pain threshold....All dat you taking into consideration when you talking bout who more naturally talented than whom? And when does nature end and nurture begin?
We all have pride in our people. In football, we have players that bring certain skills that some other nations don't display or don't display in the same abundance. But we lacking plenty too. None of it is clearly a case of 'natural' or inert ability.....
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Only man I think they respect is Carlos. Respect, though. Not fear.
Man they played marcus beasley the first time in national team as RB. How's that respect? I think Kenwyne was the only one they respected being they double teamed him with Odunwe? and Bocanegra
Based on all your comments so far, I fell you watch that game drunk. Da Marcus Beasley played left back And he played there against El Salvador too. They were trying to use his pace to neutralize Carlos. Who de hell is Odunwe?
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And the American players... who could blame them for being so confident against us in the one-on-one? Wha'is de worst could happen if dey fack up? Two, three passes and they getting de ball back... guaranteed because we cyah do one ass with it.
Bakes it sad, true and kinda funny way yuh put it dey. Feel them boy need to be limited to 2 touches in practice from now on. Even so way they played last night some might need a calculator to even figure out how to do that.
same mistakes everytime ball watching, poor marking, terrible first touch, no movement. But hey we have more skill and talent ent. Swear some peeps feel TT have a monopoly on talent in concacaf.
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Guys alyuh feel if that world cup team that jack single handedly mashup if the stayed together would it have made a difference .
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The most astonishing thing about the warriors defeat to the U.S.was not the 3-0 scoreline, but in fact just how bad we played.Coach Maturana showed some initiative by playing an attacking 4-4-2 system, a departure from the comforts of his beloved 4-5-1.But that is where the good ends and the bad begins. Kenwyne Jones, who is obviously suffering from a slump in form, was on top with the evergreen Stern John. Unfortunately, these two were basically left dead in the water by an almost non existent midfield and non existent defense. They had no quality balls to look forward to except the occasional cross from Carlos Edwards.
Chris Birchall was a welcome return to the side along with Clayton Ince, which was a little boost to the team prior to kickoff. Birchall however,could not play his regular "ball winner" role since he had to basically act as a fifth defender due to criminal defending by the back four.The full backs especially were completely destroyed on the flanks which gave the U.S. a constant avenue of attack. Carlos Edwards was again a bright light in a very dark place.He WAS the midfield,and looked to be the one to perhaps give some potency to a dull T&T attack.Apart from the free kick he took, Keon Daniel was missing in action.This young man is a bundle of talent but like all the young players on the team, needs to seriously raise his game.Some of the young ones don't seem to have the hunger, desire or mental toughness for Victory.The technical staff should look in to this.
One young player who seems to be stepping up is Khaleem Hyland.The game definitely changed when he entered, even giving Kenwyne Jones an opportunity to score inside the box.Jason Scotland was eventually brought in, but by then the damage was done.He is a player that should be starting every game.I think he is terribly underutilized and does not get his just due.That being said without a good supporting midfield and at least a half decent defense, any striker is going to struggle on this team.We cannot expect Yorke and Latapy to always come to our rescue. We must develop the abundance of talent we have especially in that crucial center midfield role.The U.S,in my humble opinion, is not 3 goals better than us.It is an embarrassment to let a 19 year old kid score a hatrick on your team.We better than that.On the bright side,we are only two points from a world cup spot.Glass half full. GO
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Indivdual talent yeh team talent no and that is what killing we as a team .
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If you rate our players head to head with US players from the midfield up, we have the more naturally talented players. Keon while playing for Unattached F. C. still shows to be more talanted than Donovan and the rest of U.S. players. With the right coaching, some motivation and a totally foreign based defence, we could be leading the Hex.
Maturana ? that's you??
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Guys alyuh feel if that world cup team that jack single handedly mashup if the stayed together would it have made a difference .
Yes
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...and why should they?
What have we done to put fear... or even respect in them? As a team they won't say it... and maybe all of them don't think it, but clearly they not afraid of anything we dress up in a kit and put before them. When our attacking players get the ball at their feet, who among them will turn and run at a defender? Carlos... maybe. That's about it.
Kenwyne... he needs a perfectly delivered ball with just the right amount of pace and velocity, preferably with little spin that he can collect within 6 millimeters of the sweet spot on he instep, or maybe ah nice soft chest pass fuh him to trap. Other than that, forget it... he's not a threat.
Stern and Scotty have better first touches... but at this point, unless dem post up inside the box with their backs to goal them ent really doing nutten. I see Scotland get a nice thru ball last night and 50-year old Frankie Hejduk walk him down like is Usain Bolt who was chasing him... and strip him ah de ball too.
They don't respect our attacking players... and they certainly don't respect our defense. From Donovan, to Beasley, to Bradley, to Altidore... every man who collect a pass last night looking to push it past the defender in red and run past him. Fuh all de talk of de Americans playing "robot football"... robot football cutting we ass going and coming. Donovan hit Makan Hislop one intercol beat last night to set up the second goal. Completely undress him on de wing. If Hislop couldn't spell "Donovan" before last night ah guarantee he know how to spell it now because he get ah nice long look as he was getting leave out.
And the American players... who could blame them for being so confident against us in the one-on-one? Wha'is de worst could happen if dey fack up? Two, three passes and they getting de ball back... guaranteed because we cyah do one ass with it. They confident because they could afford to gamble and play loose... as Slates was telling me, they know we NOT going to score against them regardless, so dem basically playing with house money... they cyah lose either way.
... the other side of the respect coin is the fact that in this day and age, with twenty years of futility under we belt against them, it still have man in Trinidad and on this very board who refuse to respect US Soccer. Now is not my place or intent to convince man to respect them, or chastise them for not respecting dem. All I could do is point out how foolish it is. The one thing you CANNOT do in battle is underestimate your opponent... just ask the Americans about Vietnam and Afghanistan/Iraq. Now granted is not the one or two idiots from dis site who playing the game, but I still believe that as much as we players respect the Americans (maybe too much), they still underrating dem individually. How else to explain man rushing in and getting leave out all over the pitch last night? Fuhget de wrong address that Hislop collect... dem men was hitting we all kinda heel flick and thing. Dempsey even try ah bicycle in de box. Ching get ah long diagonal pass on de wing and Donovan instinctively run in behind him. Ching defender (Thomas?) was too pre-occupied with the ball coming in to bother to lay off and help cover Donovan (who did done leave out Wolfe). Ching hit ah neat flick to Donovan who was wide open, Tallest rush at Donovan... who den crossed tuh Altidore on the back post fuh de first goal. Altidore wide open because Akile (or Aklie, whey de ass he name) was too caught up looking fuh de nutsman in de stands to bother to keep track of Altidore behind him.
But yet... to get back to mih point, it still have man saying how dem Americans only have "fundamentals" and "fitness" but no skill. Ah man even bawl last night that he find it hard tuh stomach losing tuh de Americans because dem ent have "no respect 4 de game"... but we have? Because the majority of Americans ent give ah fart about football dat mean de players on de field eh respect it? We does "live and die" fuh de sport but dem don't? Yuh think Donovan Canadian father ent teach him about de sport when he was ah smallie? Yuh think Ching pick up football because it didn't have wave tuh surf in Hawaii? Dem men and dem love de sport as much as we... they probably just ent grow up playing small goal. And even so they still hitting we small goal beats all over de field.
We need to take this team... break it down and completely change it attitude. Until den we eh go one blasted place with what we doing.
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: keep telling them Bakes,eventually they will get it.
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What exactly is our style of play? I always wanted to know this.
Kaisoca soccer
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They hadda change we name to the SOCA WORRIERS ::)
Chalkie did sing bout dem
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Guys alyuh feel if that world cup team that jack single handedly mashup if the stayed together would it have made a difference .
Is d Pope catholic?
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If you rate our players head to head with US players from the midfield up, we have the more naturally talented players. Keon while playing for Unattached F. C. still shows to be more talanted than Donovan and the rest of U.S. players. With the right coaching, some motivation and a totally foreign based defence, we could be leading the Hex.
this is the single most ridiculous concept that seems to plague too many fans of inferior teams. listen, every team on the planet has a bunch of plausible 'what ifs' to add to their team to make them better. The US can also say all we need is a little bit of this and some of that and we could beat Brazil and Argentina consistently'...blah blah blah. So give it a rest
More naturally talented? Steeups..people still talking this pack of nonsense. How you measuring that? More importantly, what you measuring.....speed, lung capacity, quickness of thought, reflexes, flexibility, concentration, muscle strength, balance, ability to handle pressure, pain threshold....All dat you taking into consideration when you talking bout who more naturally talented than whom? And when does nature end and nurture begin?
We all have pride in our people. In football, we have players that bring certain skills that some other nations don't display or don't display in the same abundance. But we lacking plenty too. None of it is clearly a case of 'natural' or inert ability.....
When i say natural talent, i'm not talkin about some magical skills a player is randomly born with. "natural talent" is a state of mind that a player has combined with skills and a good touch that can only be acheived by intense dedication to the game in the aspect of ball work. that is what sets Keon apart from Landon in "natural talent"
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I feel last night the fellas sent a message that they not happy. Look at the body language of the fellas.
Daniel just standing on the field.
Carlos have a ball to cross and he kick it out of bound for no apparent reason.
Lawrence played without really saying anything, so did KJ and Carlos.
No one helping the other.
I feel is a message went out last night.
That message cost our country points and embarassed alot of Trinbagonians....and if its a messgae then it was being sent since the El Salvador game...and again coem June we should expect this same type of message?
I wonder if is the same message they sent in the first game against Bermuda and in the recent Digicel Cup ?
Somebody not listenin
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If you rate our players head to head with US players from the midfield up, we have the more naturally talented players. Keon while playing for Unattached F. C. still shows to be more talanted than Donovan and the rest of U.S. players. With the right coaching, some motivation and a totally foreign based defence, we could be leading the Hex.
Exactly how are you judging talent in this case ? What would be your rational for saying Keon is more talented than Donovan ?
Donovan has some talent but the difference between him and Daniel is conditioning. Any player can be condotioned to develop fitness but to have the skill that Keon does makes him a better player. Just look at Keon's touch on the ball against the U.S. and how much close control he has. The only player I ever see with that kind of skill in Trinidad is Latas.
Wrong! Donovan is one of the quickest players in CONCACAF. He has quick feet, accleration and extended pace & he has a quick mind. In CONCACAF he is consistent, he scores and creates goals. He can play wide and be effective and play behind the striker and be effective. Conditioning will not make Daniel quicker, most of all you have to question Keon's mental strength. At the end of the day all things equal, the mentally strong player will always be more successful.
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What exactly is our style of play? I always wanted to know this.
Kaisoca soccer
Ask Gally
an interesting article here (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=30259.msg345264#msg345264)
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What exactly is our style of play? I always wanted to know this.
Kaisoca soccer
Ask Gally
Exactly
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Welcome
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Wrong! Donovan is one of the quickest players in CONCACAF. He has quick feet, accleration and extended pace & he has a quick mind. [/quote]
keypoint and reason why he is one of the top players in the region.
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Observer,
Keon with all the natural talent does get push off the ball easily. The man is a zwill. Who says conditioning will not help him? He needs a good strength coach to work with. He is a liability when it comes to defence. He does not have to defend all the time. But he needs to put in some serious tackles on occasion. But he has the talent. All our "skill men" latas, Toussaint, Daniel are small. Lats is the exception to the rule, he is an escape artist. The other are just laborers!!!
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Spoke to a couple men on the staff last night .. not players .... and the feeling is that they dont know if they will have a job by next game .. not calling no names for obvious reasons.
As far as the game..... so much was revealed. There is no team chemistry, there seems to be a disconnect between the overseas players and the locals. Even after the game, overseas liming over so and the locals over so by themselves.
Kudos to Bradley, Mats may or may not like to worry about what the other team is doing but Bradley open up T&T closet and exposed every dirty little secret in we game.
Its easy to blame individual players but its seems almost unfair to do so because the team selection again offered little balance. No balance in mid field translates to no quality service to the forwards and I always preach that to a large extent, a forward can only play as well as he is allowed to.
Ill try to stay positive because a lot of players taking a bashing tonight.
Lawrence and Thomas palyed very well.. imagine defending with a porous/at times non-existing midfield.
Carlos ... again our best player on the night.
Stern, good game....good target man but needs more than one cross from Carlos to score.
KJ.. good game in parts... this guy needs service!! (just like when Yorke was bussing net for Man U and come back Trini and cyah trouble th keeper)
The biggest fundamental difference between US and TT football is that the US will do the simple things and do it well and their speed of play (on and off the ball) is on a different level to ours, particulaly amongst the local pros.
Anyways ah go just rest back and watch the drama unfold.....
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If you rate our players head to head with US players from the midfield up, we have the more naturally talented players. Keon while playing for Unattached F. C. still shows to be more talanted than Donovan and the rest of U.S. players. With the right coaching, some motivation and a totally foreign based defence, we could be leading the Hex.
this is the single most ridiculous concept that seems to plague too many fans of inferior teams. listen, every team on the planet has a bunch of plausible 'what ifs' to add to their team to make them better. The US can also say all we need is a little bit of this and some of that and we could beat Brazil and Argentina consistently'...blah blah blah. So give it a rest
More naturally talented? Steeups..people still talking this pack of nonsense. How you measuring that? More importantly, what you measuring.....speed, lung capacity, quickness of thought, reflexes, flexibility, concentration, muscle strength, balance, ability to handle pressure, pain threshold....All dat you taking into consideration when you talking bout who more naturally talented than whom? And when does nature end and nurture begin?
We all have pride in our people. In football, we have players that bring certain skills that some other nations don't display or don't display in the same abundance. But we lacking plenty too. None of it is clearly a case of 'natural' or inert ability.....
When i say natural talent, i'm not talkin about some magical skills a player is randomly born with. "natural talent" is a state of mind that a player has combined with skills and a good touch that can only be acheived by intense dedication to the game in the aspect of ball work. that is what sets Keon apart from Landon in "natural talent"
:rotfl: :rotfl: oh my. and i tort you wrote nonsense the last time. that is how you see 'natural' talent? geez. you really have no idea what you talking about ??? ::)
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If you rate our players head to head with US players from the midfield up, we have the more naturally talented players. Keon while playing for Unattached F. C. still shows to be more talanted than Donovan and the rest of U.S. players. With the right coaching, some motivation and a totally foreign based defence, we could be leading the Hex.
this is the single most ridiculous concept that seems to plague too many fans of inferior teams. listen, every team on the planet has a bunch of plausible 'what ifs' to add to their team to make them better. The US can also say all we need is a little bit of this and some of that and we could beat Brazil and Argentina consistently'...blah blah blah. So give it a rest
More naturally talented? Steeups..people still talking this pack of nonsense. How you measuring that? More importantly, what you measuring.....speed, lung capacity, quickness of thought, reflexes, flexibility, concentration, muscle strength, balance, ability to handle pressure, pain threshold....All dat you taking into consideration when you talking bout who more naturally talented than whom? And when does nature end and nurture begin?
We all have pride in our people. In football, we have players that bring certain skills that some other nations don't display or don't display in the same abundance. But we lacking plenty too. None of it is clearly a case of 'natural' or inert ability.....
When i say natural talent, i'm not talkin about some magical skills a player is randomly born with. "natural talent" is a state of mind that a player has combined with skills and a good touch that can only be acheived by intense dedication to the game in the aspect of ball work. that is what sets Keon apart from Landon in "natural talent"
:rotfl: :rotfl: oh my. and i tort you wrote nonsense the last time. that is how you see 'natural' talent? geez. you really have no idea what you talking about ??? ::)
Or ok then...so you thought that players like Zidane and Ronaldinho were born with this talent??? I remember reading an interview on Zidane where he said as a youth he trained six hours a day by himself nonstop with the ball and that is how he developed his "natural talent" Natural talent has much more to do with the mental aspect of the game, than the physical aspect and while Donovan is one of the best in concacaf, if i had to chose one of these players to develop into the best i will chose Keon anyday of the week and im not being biased. This is just a personal observation of all the games i have seen Keon play and I rate Hyland the same way.
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They have the fundamentals and fitness... tighter organization... more pride and motivation
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So what it is we better at exactly? Beats?
Our style is better, not the team, not the organization. A strong, fit, organized Warriors team could beat the Americans...man for man. When they were the laughing stock of the world yuh feel they still didn't believe they were better? Yuh can't walk like a dog with he tail between he legs. We call warriors for a reason.
besides the youth side they put out in October when last we beat USA (and we nearly end up drawing that game by the way)
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you also know what was so dam embarrasing at that game? when you can hear the american section of d crowd singing "JOZI HAS A GIRLFRIEND"!!! ah bunch of bitches dey callin we after that performance last night!!!
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If you rate our players head to head with US players from the midfield up, we have the more naturally talented players.[/b] Keon while playing for Unattached F. C. still shows to be more talanted than Donovan and the rest of U.S. players. With the right coaching, some motivation and a totally foreign based defence, we could be leading the Hex.
By what gauge or criteria did/do you make that determination?
"natural" talent in what way? How would you know what talent is "natural" from what is coached into a player? I could tell you for one thing, the #6 for the US who came on as a sub-, Torres.. 19-year old kid born in Mexico and plays for Pachuca. I could tell you this for sure, we have no one in a Soca Warriors kit could match that kid right now... except maybe Latas. I have never seen anybody as poised and confident with the ball at his feet in an American uniform... ever. That's counting Tab Ramos, Cobi Jones, Donovan, Harkes... Reyna. This kid single-handedly turned the game around for the US against El Salvador and he'll be poison in CONCACAF for years to come. God forbid he should only go Europe, is then we'll see the kind of talent this kid is.
Aside from him we are out-classed at virtually every other position by the Americans... based on performance on the field. So I'm not sure how you're measuring the players, but based on the quality of their touches and their decision-making... I'm really curious as to how you arrived at the conclusion that we are more "naturally" talented than those American players.
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If you rate our players head to head with US players from the midfield up, we have the more naturally talented players.[/b] Keon while playing for Unattached F. C. still shows to be more talanted than Donovan and the rest of U.S. players. With the right coaching, some motivation and a totally foreign based defence, we could be leading the Hex.
By what gauge or criteria did/do you make that determination?
"natural" talent in what way? How would you know what talent is "natural" from what is coached into a player? I could tell you for one thing, the #6 for the US who came on as a sub-, Torres.. 19-year old kid born in Mexico and plays for Pachuca. I could tell you this for sure, we have no one in a Soca Warriors kit could match that kid right now... except maybe Latas. I have never seen anybody as poised and confident with the ball at his feet in an American uniform... ever. That's counting Tab Ramos, Cobi Jones, Donovan, Harkes... Reyna. This kid single-handedly turned the game around for the US against El Salvador and he'll be poison in CONCACAF for years to come. God forbid he should only go Europe, is then we'll see the kind of talent this kid is.
Aside from him we are out-classed at virtually every other position by the Americans... based on performance on the field. So I'm not sure how you're measuring the players, but based on the quality of their touches and their decision-making... I'm really curious as to how you arrived at the conclusion that we are more "naturally" talented than those American players.
Bake and shark...as usual...great post! ah fully endorse!!! :beermug:
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Donovan has some talent but the difference between him and Daniel is conditioning. Any player can be condotioned to develop fitness but to have the skill that Keon does makes him a better player. Just look at Keon's touch on the ball against the U.S. and how much close control he has. The only player I ever see with that kind of skill in Trinidad is Latas.
Lol.. what madness.
What has Keon Daniel ever done to make you think he's more talented than Donovan... his ability to control the ball well in close quarters... dai's your metric? Assuming for argument sake that is true... what can he do after that? Can he turn and run at a man and leave him out behind? Can he create scoring chances for himself or for a team mate? Can he play virtually any outfield position on the field? Because love him or hate him Donovan can do (and has done) all of that. Not because a man can run all day does that mean that is all he can do. If yuh still wondering about his first touch then ask Makan Hislop, Anthony Wolfe and Tallest about it. All three ah dem got good looks last night.
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Bake and shark...as usual...great post! ah fully endorse!!! :beermug:
Fordy I ent go lie... it breaking mih heart to rate up the American players like that... and anybody who think ah wrong, please... ah begging allyuh, come and convince mih, because ah really and truly wish ah wrong. I deathly afraid of how good that Torres yute is. I see against El Sal de yankees wasn't making ah note in midfield whole night. Yute man come on (along with Altidore) and immediately he settle dem dong. I see 2-3 Salvatruchas running in on him and he have de ball and is like he saying "please... wha allyuh think allyuh doing, allyuh NOT getting dis ball... and better yet, ah getting ready tuh thread ah pass tuh ah man, hold on". He so calm and confident den.
My biggest worry isn't that the US has passed us... my biggest worry is that the gap is incrementally getting wider. Who think ah lie, just count the number of European-based players in their national pool compared to ours. Even obscure li'l nobodies like Charlie Davies (no disrespect to him) getting steady run in Belgium going on three years now. We? Is ah national holiday when Hyland finally get ah bligh with ah Belgian squad... and he supposed tuh be we next savior.
De train leaving de station and de TTFF still cyah find de ticket office.
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Only man I think they respect is Carlos. Respect, though. Not fear.
Man they played marcus beasley the first time in national team as RB. How's that respect? I think Kenwyne was the only one they respected being they double teamed him with Odunwe? and Bocanegra
You real simple when you ready dred. They played Beasley at LB because Beasley is their fastest player. They were deathly afraid of Carlos' pace down the right flank and for good reason... Carlos was eating Beasley lunch whole night and they had to shade their defense towards him whenever he had the ball.
That is respect.
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Respect. Well thought out and well written. Yuh remind mih of Lasana before Jack vex him. :beermug:
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Donovan has some talent but the difference between him and Daniel is conditioning. Any player can be condotioned to develop fitness but to have the skill that Keon does makes him a better player. Just look at Keon's touch on the ball against the U.S. and how much close control he has. The only player I ever see with that kind of skill in Trinidad is Latas.
Lol.. what madness.
What has Keon Daniel ever done to make you think he's more talented than Donovan... his ability to control the ball well in close quarters... dai's your metric? Assuming for argument sake that is true... what can he do after that? Can he turn and run at a man and leave him out behind? Can he create scoring chances for himself or for a team mate? Can he play virtually any outfield position on the field? Because love him or hate him Donovan can do (and has done) all of that. Not because a man can run all day does that mean that is all he can do. If yuh still wondering about his first touch then ask Makan Hislop, Anthony Wolfe and Tallest about it. All three ah dem got good looks last night.
Im not saying he is a better player than Donovan now but look at Hyland now that he is playing abroad. Keon has the potential, all that is needed now is to play for a good team and get some proper coaching and strength training and you will see the difference. He is the only player i remember that can be playing for no club for months and still be on the national team. And he have a deadly bullet and free kick ;D
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Can anyone explain the reason he was taken out in the 2nd half? It's a big head-scratcher. If it's already been discussed, can you direct me to the thread.
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If you rate our players head to head with US players from the midfield up, we have the more naturally talented players. Keon while playing for Unattached F. C. still shows to be more talanted than Donovan and the rest of U.S. players. With the right coaching, some motivation and a totally foreign based defence, we could be leading the Hex.
this is the single most ridiculous concept that seems to plague too many fans of inferior teams. listen, every team on the planet has a bunch of plausible 'what ifs' to add to their team to make them better. The US can also say all we need is a little bit of this and some of that and we could beat Brazil and Argentina consistently'...blah blah blah. So give it a rest
More naturally talented? Steeups..people still talking this pack of nonsense. How you measuring that? More importantly, what you measuring.....speed, lung capacity, quickness of thought, reflexes, flexibility, concentration, muscle strength, balance, ability to handle pressure, pain threshold....All dat you taking into consideration when you talking bout who more naturally talented than whom? And when does nature end and nurture begin?
We all have pride in our people. In football, we have players that bring certain skills that some other nations don't display or don't display in the same abundance. But we lacking plenty too. None of it is clearly a case of 'natural' or inert ability.....
When i say natural talent, i'm not talkin about some magical skills a player is randomly born with. "natural talent" is a state of mind that a player has combined with skills and a good touch that can only be acheived by intense dedication to the game in the aspect of ball work. that is what sets Keon apart from Landon in "natural talent"
:rotfl: :rotfl: oh my. and i tort you wrote nonsense the last time. that is how you see 'natural' talent? geez. you really have no idea what you talking about ??? ::)
Or ok then...so you thought that players like Zidane and Ronaldinho were born with this talent??? I remember reading an interview on Zidane where he said as a youth he trained six hours a day by himself nonstop with the ball and that is how he developed his "natural talent" Natural talent has much more to do with the mental aspect of the game, than the physical aspect and while Donovan is one of the best in concacaf, if i had to chose one of these players to develop into the best i will chose Keon anyday of the week and im not being biased. This is just a personal observation of all the games i have seen Keon play and I rate Hyland the same way.
I don't think soccer players are just born with their talent. I think people do have a number of innate physical and mental attributes that, if developed properly can result in what the general public considers a gifted footballer. That is why I initially listed a number of criteria that may go into determining a player's level of talent that can be construed as 'natural' to some extent, and wondered if any of these even crossed your mind. Then I asked where does nature end, and nurture begin?..... In case you didn't get that, it was to say that it's not down to just something in your DNA. So at least we agree on something.
Keon Daniel has potential to be a very good player. It seems to me that he has superb technique and is very comfortable on the ball. With the right guidance, who knows where he can reach (I think we agree fully on that). Personally, I think the way he moves with the ball is more pleasing to the eye than say, Donovan. I grew up preferring that kind of ease and skill on the ball. But that is just aesthetics..style points really, cuz Donovan's technique, and close control is superb. he has attributes that K.D. has that no amount of training will remedy, and vice versa. But all I asked is, when you think of other so-called natural attributes, like speed, lung capacity, muscle density, coordination, pain tolerance, agility, balance, reflexes, mental concentration...blah blah blah (all of which can be further improved through proper training/coaching/guidance/nutrition)....can we really talk about who is more 'naturally' gifted than whom. I just think we get so caught up in thinking the neat, close control dribblers are more naturally gifted....but is a guy who can caress a ball and dance prettily past two players, more naturally gifted than a speed demon who can just push the ball by them and blow past with speed while still maintaining close control? Two different set of gifts..equally effective...if done right
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Kudos to Bradley, Mats may or may not like to worry about what the other team is doing but Bradley open up T&T closet and exposed every dirty little secret in we game.
Its easy to blame individual players but its seems almost unfair to do so because the team selection again offered little balance. No balance in mid field translates to no quality service to the forwards and I always preach that to a large extent, a forward can only play as well as he is allowed to.
Maybe u right, maybe is simply a coaching change that will fix our woes. However, i don't understand the lack of heart on the team. Especially with the guys that are getting opportunity. I seeing men turning down one v one will Franky just running at we. I you don't believe in yourself you'll never win. I know our team would like to see it happen on the field but I don't think we are willing to do so at all costs. There are fews players that are willing to take personal responsibility to change the game. How did the Mecca of dribblers come to this?
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Keon Daniel needs to find a team, hopefully abroad and fast. The man is 22 and the clock ticking. He clearly has ability, but he is clearly so raw that it is wasted. He needs to develop a lot physically too. His strength and speed are sorely lacking. I don't understand how you can be on the national team and be unattached to a club. We in 2009 people...not 1989.
If Donovan was trini we would be rating him as one of the best in the world. No question. But as he's a yankee, Keon Daniel more gifted than him. Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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After reviewing that US game. Its obvious we are lacking in all areas but I think its mostly down to organization. We are missing Yorke's leadership badly. I dont think we are in an impossible position. Realistically speaking is 3-0 different from 1-0 and also how many people thought we would be the US at home. Ok so we arent playing well but I truly feel that blaming the players isnt going to help there confidence.
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Im not saying he is a better player than Donovan now but look at Hyland now that he is playing abroad. Keon has the potential, all that is needed now is to play for a good team and get some proper coaching and strength training and you will see the difference. He is the only player i remember that can be playing for no club for months and still be on the national team. And he have a deadly bullet and free kick ;D
Corbeaux I won't belabor the point, but I think it vastly a different thing to say that he has a huge upside than to say he's more 'naturally talented'. I agree that at the respective points they're at in their careers Daniel has a bigger upside... I hope his development continues that he can realize his potential.
Filho... good points, although I will say that certain players have things in their game that I dunno dat yuh could coach dat nuh, lol
Preacher... the one v one thing is so true dred... so disheartening to see me decline to put in ah tackle. So timid... hesitant, unsure.... nobody but Carlos willing to pick up the ball and run with it. Sad to see.
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Im not saying he is a better player than Donovan now but look at Hyland now that he is playing abroad. Keon has the potential, all that is needed now is to play for a good team and get some proper coaching and strength training and you will see the difference. He is the only player i remember that can be playing for no club for months and still be on the national team. And he have a deadly bullet and free kick ;D
Corbeaux I won't belabor the point, but I think it vastly a different thing to say that he has a huge upside than to say he's more 'naturally talented'. I agree that at the respective points they're at in their careers Daniel has a bigger upside... I hope his development continues that he can realize his potential.
Filho... good points, although I will say that certain players have things in their game that I dunno dat yuh could coach dat nuh, lol
Preacher... the one v one thing is so true dred... so disheartening to see me decline to put in ah tackle. So timid... hesitant, unsure.... nobody but Carlos willing to pick up the ball and run with it. Sad to see.
completely agree. wasn't trying to say otherwise
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Hmmmmmm, well it is with real sadness I bring myself to make this post.
Like most, I was saddened by the level of play on the field but unlike many I am sympathetic to the players because to me the players who let us down should not be selected to represent us at this level and those who should be selected for the most part did their best.
Our technical staff (LATAS included) are the ones who must take the blame because they know all the US players by now and we had a previous 3-0 dress rehearsal in Chicago before, not to mention a confidence-booster in HCS more recently, to still be playing men who are more liabilities than assets to our cause.
I have to include Latas because he is now the assistant coach, so unless Maturana just totally ignoring him, he is involved with team selection and tactics....if it isn’t so then Latas better off being called Player/ignored-advisor.
The game is broken down into individual battles and from watching the game live at the stadium I have to tell you that Carlos Edwards, Clayton Ince, Keyeno Thomas, Dennis Lawrence, Chris Birchall, and to a lesser extent Clyde Leon won their battles but none of the others even placed in their duels.
None of our players up front could control the ball properly on the night and none took on their markers let alone put any fear into anyone.....but they all have big reputations right..hmmm. I wonder if we could qualify based on reputation alone?
To qualify for a World Cup you have to be talented enough, be lucky enough, work hard enough, and do enough "big things". Last time for Germany, it was the game in Panama, the one in T&T against Guatemala, and later Mexico..but they were big results with players doing big things...things that deserve the earning of a reputation and qualifying.
I have now resided in the US since 1995 and been to countless WCQ in Chicago, Virginia, all over, and one thing that strikes me about the US players compared to the T&T players is that the US players play as if they are always trying to prove themselves every time, whereas we sometimes play as if we have nothing to prove.......if you have nothing else to prove on the national side anymore then I suggest you retire from internationals and give someone else a go.
So after making huge sacrifices to go to the game last Wednesday night in Tennessee, it was difficult to witness the difference between the US effort and the T&T effort....but what was even worst, was to hear some of the US supporters chanting a song with the lyrics..."Jozy's got a girlfriend"..and why shouldn't they?...When compared to the likes of the others in the HEX we treat the US like a special date on lover’s lane....."come on Baby, I am yours, have your way with me..."
What else is there to come? It is hard to be a T&T supporter...but I will continue to support my country and our team. I just hope we select players who will play with honor and a "never give up" attitude instead of players who are not at the required level or worst, players who do not mind coming second to their adversaries... We need players who understand that it is a big deal to represent T&T, and not just show up but actually give your best for the Red, White, and Black, not the ones who Josie and company just dropped back home this morning and with a gentle kiss goodbye saying "until we meet again in Port of Spain eh DouDou Darlin....."
We better start making those big decisions soon, otherwise it eh go be Jozy alone, we might move from being Jozy's girlfriend to "CONCACAF Jamette"......
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Jozy new gyul name is Akile Edwards and he does do she whatever he want..
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well the Warriors all goin an HORN he next match ;)
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Stern John had a good game!!
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Jozy new gyul name is Akile Edwards and he does do she whatever he want..
He role model is Rianna
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Stern John had a good game!!
Really? I might be inclined to agree that he did well to hold up the ball but other than that his movement was nil, his defensive work was nada, so overall I tend to disagree. Just my humble opinion from being at the game...
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Great Post SaltaFresh. No passion and determination. No warrior spirit and that is what is so sad about this Team.
Time to say Goodbye to some of those jokers.
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well the Warriors all goin an HORN he next match ;)
Yuh mean dey goin and horn Jozy wid ah Costa Rican? Ah hope is not dat yuh mean......
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well the Warriors all goin an HORN he next match ;)
Yuh mean dey goin and horn Jozy wid ah Costa Rican? Ah hope is not dat yuh mean......
nah man
is right here de horn taking place
2009-09-09 Trinidad and Tobago v United States Hasely Crawford Stadium, Port of Spain
Bus dem Warriors
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Great post and welcome. :)
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Jozy new gyul name is Akile Edwards and he does do she whatever he want..
LOL at that comment. You guys know this is a prime example of how when you expose young players to a level of competition they aren't ready for as yet, how it could make a good few of them actually regress, from their confidence being so utterly dashed and humiliated.
Guys I feel so damn sorry for our Trini brother Aklie, is only Maturana to blame for this yes. The guy shouldn't be being subjected to this now.
Aklie if you are reading, we guys still love you as our fellow Trinbagonian, and we know you try hard to represent us well, but it isn't your fault man, its Mats own for picking you before your time, when yuh is still a green mango. I really believe that you can become a top defender with the proper guidance and your continuing to work hard, I see ALOT of promise in you man. Keep you head up and stay strong brother!
Also, its Mats fault for putting a guy who is OBVIOUSLY NOT A WINGER and lacks defensive ability, in Keon Daniel(who is very talented also but is being used wrongly imho), infront of you.
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Stern workrate was nil? yuh is ah f**king ka-ka hole or wha? or yuh watch de game on ah TV without ah antennae?
KJ work rate was NIL!
When CaRLOS TRY TUH MAKE HE PASSES, WHO WAS DEY ALL DE TIME? sTERN JOHN ALLYUH CANTS!
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Stern John and Carlos Edwards were our best players against USA by a country mile! You guys have to take the cataracts out of your eyes and watch the game again. Stern was one of the only men who could trap the ball and pass it without gifting it to a USA player. the game was like 2 vs 11. When highland came on he was very good also.
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Peter,
The performance on the field give we the cararacts!!!!!
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Our best players on the field on the Night was Dennis Lawrence and Clayton Ince.
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Players who can't make the college B team want to know if they could marry a Trni gyul, get they passport and play for the National team. They want to know who the #3 is.
Fellas like Akile, Clyde Leon and Daniel to a certain extent should be on a U-23's or something and touring right through.
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I don't know what to say about my country man....i don't know if we only like guy's who beated people and think that football...I don't know...ah just don't know......I and all is very heatbroken...even to fine out some of the players partying in nashville...couldn't believe
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what a shit post!!!! what you is a jackass or wha??? wha kinda man does........ ;D jus kicksin boss - I agree with most of what you say...share your opinion more often so the forum not all about the 1st part of my post.
:beermug:
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Only man I think they respect is Carlos. Respect, though. Not fear.
Man they played marcus beasley the first time in national team as RB. How's that respect? I think Kenwyne was the only one they respected being they double teamed him with Odunwe? and Bocanegra
You real simple when you ready dred. They played Beasley at LB because Beasley is their fastest player. They were deathly afraid of Carlos' pace down the right flank and for good reason... Carlos was eating Beasley lunch whole night and they had to shade their defense towards him whenever he had the ball.
That is respect.
Not exactly ... Beasley ended up playing the left back from since the El Salvador game
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Ah ha, I knew I forgot someone....College!!...nice meeting you too....
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Not exactly ... Beasley ended up playing the left back from since the El Salvador game
Beasley may have played LB against El Salvador, but Bradley said specifically (if you believe what John Harkes said) that he shifted Beasley to LB to try and contain Carlos. Is not Bakes say so.
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Peter,
The performance on the field give we the cararacts!!!!!
LOL. I have to say I agree with you!! Calling the performance shameful is an understatement. Also agree that Clayton and Lawrence were good also, them together with stern and carlos were the only players who even looked like pros, the rest look like they couldn't make Crab Connection reserves.
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Nice read college. tell meh this,from yuh covo wid yuh ppl, do you think there's any chance of maturana being the coach for costa rica?
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I purposely read as many of the threads as possible before I gave my two cents. As usual I wanted to bring forth as much facts as possible and see how men handle it. I am taking a totally different approach as a trini brother who has a unique disposition in that I am actually in the belly of the whale that is called the US national team program and is privy to certain information the general public don't have.
So I am sharing a bit of the US game plan against Trini. I must admit based on the information I had prior to the game I was not surprised by the outcome. As I watched the game, I could see the game plan of the US national team coming to fruition. Regardless of what anyone may think, there was a specific reason for the game being played in Tennessee. One of the many reasons that was discussed for hosting the game in TN
1. The game should be played in a region that lacks full-blown support for the TNT team
2. There was a high level of disappointment among the national team hierarchy in the US team's performance
against El Salvador. As a result there were strong recommendations to send a point to the players who failed
against El Salvador by dropping them.
4. There was a general consensus that the trini national team players are not equipped to deal with constant
pressure when they are in possession. This would become the foundation for the game plan.
American perceived strengths as seen through the eyes of the US staff
We are fitter, mentality tougher, more disciplined, more organized, good speed and athleticism, superior commitment to work hard for long periods. Trinidad has not beaten us on US soil in the last 5 years and we are not going to allow them to achieve that goal on 4/1/09. Most importantly one of the US goals was to send a message that what took place in TNT was not the norm and the Chicago experience was more the reality of how they viewed how they stack up to trini.
TRINIDAD PERCEIVED STRENGTHS
1. Dangerous if given room to play, strong in the air in the central back position, Carlos Edwards is very
dangerous( but we will use Demarcus Beasley to try and neutralize that strength
WEAKNESSES
1. Disorganized in the back, struggle under pressure, lack discipline in their approach, not totally committed to a
mentality that involves consistent disciplined work in attack and defense, lack consistent dynamic movement
in possession. Will give us room to play when they are defending, poor consistent communication when
defending. Overall anticipation in attack and defense is not consistent enough to threaten us. When it comes to
tracking in the defensive third especially in the box they (Trinidad) are not very good, they will easily lose their
attackers ( The first goal proved this point that was made before this game)
WE MUST PUT THEM ON THEIR HEELS BY NOT GIVING THEM TIME AND SPACE TO PLAY. THIS IS A MENTALITY THAT WE MUST MAINTAIN FOR 90 MINUTES. AS LONG AS WE DO THAT AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES WE WILL CREATE WE CAN'T BE BEAT
As we all saw, wherever there was a red shirt there were one, two or three white shirts
So fellas just some insight I was privy too prior and after the game during a conference call. I must admit, the US Men's national team program is not phased by our national team. There is a feeling among the staff and players that as long as they come prepared to play, Trini can't beat them The players at all levels are often told they
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I purposely read as many of the threads as possible before I gave my two cents. As usual I wanted to bring forth as much facts as possible and see how men handle it. I am taking a totally different approach as a trini brother who has a unique disposition in that I am actually in the belly of the whale that is called the US national team program and is privy to certain information the general public don't have.
So I am sharing a bit of the US game plan against Trini. I must admit based on the information I had prior to the game I was not surprised by the outcome. As I watched the game, I could see the game plan of the US national team coming to fruition. Regardless of what anyone may think, there was a specific reason for the game being played in Tennessee. One of the many reasons that was discussed for hosting the game in TN
1. The game should be played in a region that lacks full-blown support for the TNT team
2. There was a high level of disappointment among the national team hierarchy in the US team's performance
against El Salvador. As a result there were strong recommendations to send a point to the players who failed
against El Salvador by dropping them.
4. There was a general consensus that the trini national team players are not equipped to deal with constant
pressure when they are in possession. This would become the foundation for the game plan.
American perceived strengths as seen through the eyes of the US staff
We are fitter, mentality tougher, more disciplined, more organized, good speed and athleticism, superior commitment to work hard for long periods. Trinidad has not beaten us on US soil in the last 5 years and we are not going to allow them to achieve that goal on 4/1/09. Most importantly one of the US goals was to send a message that what took place in TNT was not the norm and the Chicago experience was more the reality of how they viewed how they stack up to trini.
TRINIDAD PERCEIVED STRENGTHS
1. Dangerous if given room to play, strong in the air in the central back position, Carlos Edwards is very
dangerous( but we will use Demarcus Beasley to try and neutralize that strength
WEAKNESSES
1. Disorganized in the back, struggle under pressure, lack discipline in their approach, not totally committed to a
mentality that involves consistent disciplined work in attack and defense, lack consistent dynamic movement
in possession. Will give us room to play when they are defending, poor consistent communication when
defending. Overall anticipation in attack and defense is not consistent enough to threaten us. When it comes to
tracking in the defensive third especially in the box they (Trinidad) are not very good, they will easily lose their
attackers ( The first goal proved this point that was made before this game)
WE MUST PUT THEM ON THEIR HEELS BY NOT GIVING THEM TIME AND SPACE TO PLAY. THIS IS A MENTALITY THAT WE MUST MAINTAIN FOR 90 MINUTES. AS LONG AS WE DO THAT AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES WE WILL CREATE WE CAN'T BE BEAT
As we all saw, wherever there was a red shirt there were one, two or three white shirts
So fellas just some insight I was privy too prior and after the game during a conference call. I must admit, the US Men's national team program is not phased by our national team. There is a feeling among the staff and players that as long as they come prepared to play, Trini can't beat them The players at all levels are often told they
Well look I said as much here (http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=43138.msg551226#msg551226)... and Palos (ah sure is f**kking he) like he need ah wuk, gone and merge de thread.
Dai's arrite yuh doh have tuh respond tuh mih PM... yuh moron. Dai'z why Small Mag does be cussin yuh c**t.
...sorry, back tuh de regular programming.
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Maturana came into the game with a plan.
he followed it to a "T"
with us losing and conceding 3
he never wavered
he looked very stubborn
he didnt speak to no one
i for one was very impressed
that he came to guard the left hand post of the dugout
and was never distracted by events on the field
so job well done Mats
the post made it through the 90 mins unscathed
and the dugout didnt fall down
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I purposely read as many of the threads as possible before I gave my two cents. As usual I wanted to bring forth as much facts as possible and see how men handle it. I am taking a totally different approach as a trini brother who has a unique disposition in that I am actually in the belly of the whale that is called the US national team program and is privy to certain information the general public don't have.
So I am sharing a bit of the US game plan against Trini. I must admit based on the information I had prior to the game I was not surprised by the outcome. As I watched the game, I could see the game plan of the US national team coming to fruition. Regardless of what anyone may think, there was a specific reason for the game being played in Tennessee. One of the many reasons that was discussed for hosting the game in TN
1. The game should be played in a region that lacks full-blown support for the TNT team
2. There was a high level of disappointment among the national team hierarchy in the US team's performance
against El Salvador. As a result there were strong recommendations to send a point to the players who failed
against El Salvador by dropping them.
4. There was a general consensus that the trini national team players are not equipped to deal with constant
pressure when they are in possession. This would become the foundation for the game plan.
American perceived strengths as seen through the eyes of the US staff
We are fitter, mentality tougher, more disciplined, more organized, good speed and athleticism, superior commitment to work hard for long periods. Trinidad has not beaten us on US soil in the last 5 years and we are not going to allow them to achieve that goal on 4/1/09. Most importantly one of the US goals was to send a message that what took place in TNT was not the norm and the Chicago experience was more the reality of how they viewed how they stack up to trini.
TRINIDAD PERCEIVED STRENGTHS
1. Dangerous if given room to play, strong in the air in the central back position, Carlos Edwards is very
dangerous( but we will use Demarcus Beasley to try and neutralize that strength
WEAKNESSES
1. Disorganized in the back, struggle under pressure, lack discipline in their approach, not totally committed to a
mentality that involves consistent disciplined work in attack and defense, lack consistent dynamic movement
in possession. Will give us room to play when they are defending, poor consistent communication when
defending. Overall anticipation in attack and defense is not consistent enough to threaten us. When it comes to
tracking in the defensive third especially in the box they (Trinidad) are not very good, they will easily lose their
attackers ( The first goal proved this point that was made before this game)
WE MUST PUT THEM ON THEIR HEELS BY NOT GIVING THEM TIME AND SPACE TO PLAY. THIS IS A MENTALITY THAT WE MUST MAINTAIN FOR 90 MINUTES. AS LONG AS WE DO THAT AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES WE WILL CREATE WE CAN'T BE BEAT
As we all saw, wherever there was a red shirt there were one, two or three white shirts
So fellas just some insight I was privy too prior and after the game during a conference call. I must admit, the US Men's national team program is not phased by our national team. There is a feeling among the staff and players that as long as they come prepared to play, Trini can't beat them The players at all levels are often told they
That was some great info man nnyman, thanks alot. but its embarrassing also.
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The best TnT player was lawrence by a country mile
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Ince - had a solid game except for the 3rd goal
Wolfe - not a defender but a confident young man in his own ability, was ok going forward
Thomas - was ok to a point, but poor with ball distribution and clearing his lines
Lawrence - best player for me, did his best with what was around him
A. Edwards - not good enough at this level, regardless if Daniel was'nt offering much support, can't clear his lines properly, could never close down the attacker fast enough, always out of position
Daniel - people say is lack of confidence, i beg to differ, i think he is too lazy and doesnt have a football brain, common sense will say you attack a full back when you have him in an isolated situation and on the back foot right? but no, he chooses to dribble when he has 2 defenders gettign into position 5 yards away.
Leon - is he supposed to be our Makalele or what? poor ball distribution, bad positioning, poor marking, no urgency whatsoever, don't understand why he wasn't subbed
Birchall - even though he had a just as bad game as most, at least he showed some kinda urgency in trying to slow the US attacks down, he needs to demand the ball more
Carlos - worked his socks off, not much help from the other players, decision making in some situations coulda been better
Stern - did the best he could do with the service, expected him to bury his half chance, maybe on another day
KJ - same as Stern but 1st touch let him down most times
did we seriously think we were going there to win, hence starting with 2 forwards?
we cant even supply chances for 1, we could for 2 forwards?
how could you have 2 deep lying defensive midfielders, 2 wingers and 2 forwards?
doesnt that tell you that u conceding the middle area of the pitch as soon as the opposing defence knock the ball past our forwards?
so what if its one dimensional, i keep saying this but it is not necessary to attack through both sides of the field, if we want Carlos to be our main threat and we have issues with our left winger, then we should just tell Keon Daniel to drift inside instead of going up the wing or replace him with a more central minded player
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I purposely read as many of the threads as possible before I gave my two cents. As usual I wanted to bring forth as much facts as possible and see how men handle it. I am taking a totally different approach as a trini brother who has a unique disposition in that I am actually in the belly of the whale that is called the US national team program and is privy to certain information the general public don't have.
So I am sharing a bit of the US game plan against Trini. I must admit based on the information I had prior to the game I was not surprised by the outcome. As I watched the game, I could see the game plan of the US national team coming to fruition. Regardless of what anyone may think, there was a specific reason for the game being played in Tennessee. One of the many reasons that was discussed for hosting the game in TN
1. The game should be played in a region that lacks full-blown support for the TNT team
2. There was a high level of disappointment among the national team hierarchy in the US team's performance
against El Salvador. As a result there were strong recommendations to send a point to the players who failed
against El Salvador by dropping them.
4. There was a general consensus that the trini national team players are not equipped to deal with constant
pressure when they are in possession. This would become the foundation for the game plan.
American perceived strengths as seen through the eyes of the US staff
We are fitter, mentality tougher, more disciplined, more organized, good speed and athleticism, superior commitment to work hard for long periods. Trinidad has not beaten us on US soil in the last 5 years and we are not going to allow them to achieve that goal on 4/1/09. Most importantly one of the US goals was to send a message that what took place in TNT was not the norm and the Chicago experience was more the reality of how they viewed how they stack up to trini.
TRINIDAD PERCEIVED STRENGTHS
1. Dangerous if given room to play, strong in the air in the central back position, Carlos Edwards is very
dangerous( but we will use Demarcus Beasley to try and neutralize that strength
WEAKNESSES
1. Disorganized in the back, struggle under pressure, lack discipline in their approach, not totally committed to a
mentality that involves consistent disciplined work in attack and defense, lack consistent dynamic movement
in possession. Will give us room to play when they are defending, poor consistent communication when
defending. Overall anticipation in attack and defense is not consistent enough to threaten us. When it comes to
tracking in the defensive third especially in the box they (Trinidad) are not very good, they will easily lose their
attackers ( The first goal proved this point that was made before this game)
WE MUST PUT THEM ON THEIR HEELS BY NOT GIVING THEM TIME AND SPACE TO PLAY. THIS IS A MENTALITY THAT WE MUST MAINTAIN FOR 90 MINUTES. AS LONG AS WE DO THAT AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES WE WILL CREATE WE CAN'T BE BEAT
As we all saw, wherever there was a red shirt there were one, two or three white shirts
So fellas just some insight I was privy too prior and after the game during a conference call. I must admit, the US Men's national team program is not phased by our national team. There is a feeling among the staff and players that as long as they come prepared to play, Trini can't beat them The players at all levels are often told they
Dey know us to a tee.Do we know dem? Apparently not.A bunch a frigging clowns!
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Maturana came into the game with a plan.
he followed it to a "T"
with us losing and conceding 3
he never wavered
he looked very stubborn
he didnt speak to no one
i for one was very impressed
that he came to guard the left hand post of the dugout
and was never distracted by events on the field
so job well done Mats
the post made it through the 90 mins unscathed
and the dugout didnt fall down
I doh know what to make of the bolded part :)
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Maturana came into the game with a plan.
he followed it to a "T"
with us losing and conceding 3
he never wavered
he looked very stubborn
he didnt speak to no one
i for one was very impressed
that he came to guard the left hand post of the dugout
and was never distracted by events on the field
so job well done Mats
the post made it through the 90 mins unscathed
and the dugout didnt fall down
I doh know what to make of the bolded part :)
Lol......De man lean up on dat post whole game like a long time saga boy
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Maturana came into the game with a plan.
he followed it to a "T"
with us losing and conceding 3
he never wavered
he looked very stubborn
he didnt speak to no one
i for one was very impressed
that he came to guard the left hand post of the dugout
and was never distracted by events on the field
so job well done Mats
the post made it through the 90 mins unscathed
and the dugout didnt fall down
I doh know what to make of the bolded part :)
Lol......De man lean up on dat post whole game like a long time saga boy
hear nuh, the BEST part is
"and was never distracted by events on the field" :rotfl:
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Maturana came into the game with a plan.
he followed it to a "T"
with us losing and conceding 3
he never wavered
he looked very stubborn
he didnt speak to no one
i for one was very impressed
that he came to guard the left hand post of the dugout
and was never distracted by events on the field
so job well done Mats
the post made it through the 90 mins unscathed
and the dugout didnt fall down
I doh know what to make of the bolded part :)
boy was bout 4 am and ah was drunk and trying tuh write ah poem..big mistake
ah forget what ah was going to compose then as yuh realise nothing rhyming ;D
yeah College right..de man really didnt leave the post nah ::)
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Nice read college. tell meh this,from yuh covo wid yuh ppl, do you think there's any chance of maturana being the coach for costa rica?
I ent getting tie up with that. I was privy to a conversation and what was said in Nashville dont really need to be elaborated on.
On another note, ah trying to stay positive ....I play plenty football and know what its like to be a young player and finding yuhself out a yuh depth so i not blaming the youthmen and them.. they didnt pick themselves so ah find we should ease up on the players a lil bit ... the responsibility ultimately ends with the coach.
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Not exactly ... Beasley ended up playing the left back from since the El Salvador game
Beasley may have played LB against El Salvador, but Bradley said specifically (if you believe what John Harkes said) that he shifted Beasley to LB to try and contain Carlos. Is not Bakes say so.
People like John Harkes is the reason why sometimes ah does put the tv on mute when a watching a game....the US like T&T, have a left back crisis... Heath Pierce was severly exposed in the US Mexico game almost causing two goals.. Bradley try a thing and it worked.
I feel putting Beasley at left back was more out of necessity than concern about Carlos. The whole world know that we like to defend deep and with the strength of the US midfield, it was not a risky option to slot Beasley in the left back.
US came back from 2 goals down vs El Sal'dor mainly thru overlapping runs from Frankie Hedjuk... Bradley obviously favors this and Beasley has the tools to provide the same on the left side ....
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People like John Harkes is the reason why sometimes ah does put the tv on mute when a watching a game....the US like T&T, have a left back crisis... Heath Pierce was severly exposed in the US Mexico game almost causing two goals.. Bradley try a thing and it worked.
I feel putting Beasley at left back was more out of necessity than concern about Carlos. The whole world know that we like to defend deep and with the strength of the US midfield, it was not a risky option to slot Beasley in the left back.
US came back from 2 goals down vs El Sal'dor mainly thru overlapping runs from Frankie Hedjuk... Bradley obviously favors this and Beasley has the tools to provide the same on the left side ....
You're right... Harkes lied when he said that was Bradley's strategy. What he know anyways, we should just mute de TV and read your posts.
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People like John Harkes is the reason why sometimes ah does put the tv on mute when a watching a game....the US like T&T, have a left back crisis... Heath Pierce was severly exposed in the US Mexico game almost causing two goals.. Bradley try a thing and it worked.
I feel putting Beasley at left back was more out of necessity than concern about Carlos. The whole world know that we like to defend deep and with the strength of the US midfield, it was not a risky option to slot Beasley in the left back.
US came back from 2 goals down vs El Sal'dor mainly thru overlapping runs from Frankie Hedjuk... Bradley obviously favors this and Beasley has the tools to provide the same on the left side ....
You're right... Harkes lied when he said that was Bradley's strategy. What he know anyways, we should just mute de TV and read your posts.
Didnt say I was right ..just my opinion. Didnt say Harkes didnt know anything, ah just doh agree with everything he say, do you? And since when peeps cyah post an opinion?
As for your viewing and reading habits...feel free to do whatever. :beermug:
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Didnt say I was right ..just my opinion. Didnt say Harkes didnt know anything, ah just doh agree with everything he say, do you? And since when peeps cyah post an opinion?
As for your viewing and reading habits...feel free to do whatever. :beermug:
I actually find Harkes to be decent... very even-handed in his comments, and knowledgeable about the game. His connections with the team is what leads me to think that his statement was more inside information than opinion. But who knows.
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Beasley playing left back has been in the works for some months now. I can assure you that his main responsibility was to contain Carlos. Carlos remains one of the biggest headaches for Bradley and I am not asking you I am telling you with full confidence. When you all have a minute pull out your tape and tell me what Bradley did as soon as the goal was scored as it relates to Beasley
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NNYMAN, since i watching U.S. vs T&T over the yrs they never give us time on the ball, they allways run @ us and try tuh out hustle us, that's their trade mark brand for playing T&T.
i doh know what tapes them coaches was watching , BC, even ah school boy could see that's always been their strategy,
run @ us , blitz, out flank, penetrate down the middle, beat the offside trapp, out run the defence, and no ajustments were made over the yrs to deal wid dat problem.
text book tactics tuh say the least, and yuh why? BC our defenders are slow as molasses. they'll never pull that against ah top team with conditioning and ah solid defence.
no disrespect tuh you, but i didn't need tuh hear that from you tuh know what game plan would be used, since anyone wid ah half brain coulda made that assesment. we too predictable. positive.
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Beasley playing left back has been in the works for some months now. I can assure you that his main responsibility was to contain Carlos. Carlos remains one of the biggest headaches for Bradley and I am not asking you I am telling you with full confidence. When you all have a minute pull out your tape and tell me what Bradley did as soon as the goal was scored as it relates to Beasley
NNYMAN, Carlos was the man that terrorise them in the game here in POS so it wasn't surprising to me to see the US players double teaming him whenever he got the ball. It's obvious they did their homework. Our coach, he doh check out the opposition he does only check what he own team doing, damn stupid Corbeaux....steups.... ::)
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Beasley playing left back has been in the works for some months now. I can assure you that his main responsibility was to contain Carlos. Carlos remains one of the biggest headaches for Bradley and I am not asking you I am telling you with full confidence. When you all have a minute pull out your tape and tell me what Bradley did as soon as the goal was scored as it relates to Beasley
Yeah I saw that... Carlos by that time had already turned him out three times by my count adn my guess was that Bradley was telling Beasley to pull up his socks on his responsibility.
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Allyuh fellas only talkin line up line up . them fellas is all garbage i doh care who start they just dont play hard period. whether somone come on with the last five minutes you will be able to see his contributiion if he plays hard.
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so just cool base on what you are saying then Trini should be equipped to deal with it by now. So I guess our players and coaching staff over the years all have half a brain because according to you they know it coming and still we have not come up with our own game plan to deal with it. As for the US national team why change a text book game plan that working that has been very successful over the years. As I said before brother these were elements of the game plan that was discussed prior to the game. So all I was doing was sharing some facts as it was presented to me prior to the game. I think they executed it to perfection because the last time I checked we get we arse cut with a 3-0 thrashing. Ah like your vibe though hopefully they will bring on their staff to help them next time because at least yuh know it coming and it seems like they don't know and can't prepare for it.
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On April 1st USA gave Trinidad and Tobago a sound beating. They dominated the game, especially in the midfield. Their game plan (which was fully executed) was to attack the wingbacks and move the ball in the midfield. Trinidad and Tobago showed that their team consisted of players at different skill levels.
A report on each player:
Clayton Once - Safe hands throughout most of the game. Good distribution of the ball, yet had an inexcusable lapse in concentration to allow the last goal. No excuses, cause that goal may come back to haunt us.
Anthony Wolfe - Poor game. I hope that experiment is over. He had no clue and one could tell that he had no experience how to defend the overlapping wingback. (Beasley) I blame this on the coach. If i was the coach, i would have called Yohance Marshall and Julius James and experiment with them when they arrived in Nashville. Simply because Marshall plays with Donovan everyday and James plays against him.
Kenyo Thomas - I personally don't think he is a good player, But on that night he WAS EXTRA BAD . Lost alot of head balls to Altidore, When he won the head balls the were off, poor marking skills, poor positioning as a defender ( on the second goal when Donovan went out wide, he left the middle of the defense causing it stretch and allowing Altidore an easy path through the middle). He is a laborer, with no skill. He can't play wit the ball at his feet.
Dennis Lawrence - Had the best game out of all the defenders. Won all the head balls, played well with the ball, and kept with the strikers. However, he lost concentration in the game and lost his marker. A huge part to this was because the wingbacks were exploited and the drew him out. Ok game tallman
A. Edwards - Please make a count of this stat if you look at highlights of the game. He passed the ball to the US team, either in throw-ins or passes 21 times. His lack of experience showed. He did not learn from his mistakes during the game, which is a bad sign. The US did not play with a right-wing essentially, and used Frankie Hejduk to bring in crosses. He crossed in the ball passed Edwards over 10-15 times. That is horrible. He never forced him to bo back. He could not string a proper pass together. He allowed Altidore to get on the inside and muscle his way to the first goal. But i guess in defence force, he is a big defender or a big player. As a player, i think his confidence was low after the first goal and Ince and company were yelling at him all game. Looked extremely uneasy before the game.
C. Edwards. I think his class was over the rest. His runs were well-timed. He came back to help the defence. He needs alot of help from his midfield to be effective. Due to Chris Birchall's fear of receiving the ball, he was forced to play in the middle at times, more than he should. Not the best crosser, but whats new. Put alot of pressure on Beasley and played very sensibly and within his game. He was fired up for that game.
Chris Birchall - I did not think he played worst that he really does. He was exposed during the game, to what his game really is. He was avoiding his role to receive the ball from the defenders. (please watch the clips) He did not check towards the ball to receive it. He tried defensively, but that is not good enough, because in today's game all defensive midfielders distribute the ball (Marco Sena, Andrea Pirlo, Micheal Carrick). He feeds off the other midfielders like Yorke, Latapy even Theobald and let's them retrieve the ball and he sits. That night, it was his job and he could not do it. His touch is not the best but he is a good guy. I think he got sub'ed because he did not get the ball. Chris i know you will probably read this but you should work on your attacking part of the game. Look to receive te ball from the defence more, this will help the team.
Leon - Did not play sensibly. Was, like Birchall inexistent. Hid from getting the ball. poor positioning and supporting the strikers. He did not string any good passes. However, defensively, i thought he was good at closing the midfielders down. Yet, he lost the battle...
Daniel - Showed he had class, but like Carlos, needed elp from the center midfielders. He is a player that works best with the ball played to him in a one v one position. However, because the center midfielders lacked the ability to go get the ball, he had the ball around the half-line and as such was ineffective. He needed to help Edwards more, but i dont know what the coach told him about defending.
Jones - I think he was good. Once again, he need alot of help from the midfield. Won alot of flick-ons but John, did not help the case. Moreover, when he held the ball up, he had no midfielders to lay it off to. Picture how attacking he would be if he had the crosses Frankie Hejduk gave.
John - I am a fan of 69 Goals, and i probably saw 40 of the goals fisrt hand. Over the last year, he lived on his past accolades but today, i think his time should be numbered. People say experience counts, but not as a foward. Performance counts. I know that people make mistakes, but when he received the call from Carlos, and he could not take it down it was embarrasing. I went to practice today and my American teamates thought that it was the most embarassing thing as well. To bring a ball down with his left foot? That is embarassing. That opportunity was a sure goal, cause had he taken it down it would have been a 2v1 for TandT. What he does best is holding up the ball and bringing it down. I like that about him. I hope he perfoms better in the future. I hate the attitude that he has, when for example A. Edwards messed up a pass and he put his hand in the air and when he gave a goal away he walks off. Scotty should have come on for him in the 60min in my eyes.
Despite the pressure and laughter i experienced from my teamates i saw alot of from the game:
- The Wolfe experiment is over
- Birchall's inability to check for the ball is exposed
- Carlos showed class and that he knows how to play even if his team is not
- Lawrence can still hold the fort
- Thomas is a poison to the defence, and he needs to go
- More scouting needs to be done on opposing teams.
And all de time I thought you really knew what you were talking about ..I stand corrected .I guess that is the exact reason you are not on the team .You said you saw 40 of his goals 'first hand' ,i'm just curious ,was that while you were on the pitch or spectating like everyone else ? You call your self 'future soca warrior' ,have you ever played any international games for TnT ,with #14 ? and if so why are you not on the team right now ,or are you ? It's easy yuh call yuh self 'future soca warrior' and give match reports but your reports hold the same weight as anyone else here unless you have been there and done it ,otherwise yuh just bumping like everyone else that have an opinion. .......steupps... all yuh know how tuh waste ppl time oui ....future soca warrior ??? ??? how long in de future 2025 ??? becuz yuh assesment on #14 have yuh sounding like you're about 5yrs old and eh have ah clue wha yuh talking bout....
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The difference between 05-06 and now isn't just Bennie, far from actually. The biggest difference was that the whole nation got behind the team. It raised their level of play and men like cyd grey, theobald and spann were playing the best football of their lives. I don't think Jack, Anton, Maturana or even Stern ;D killing TnT football. I think that it may very well be the men posting on this forum. I know for a fact that every man on the national team reads this forum, some more than others, and it really hurts them even during the game because it represents the general fan support and views in TnT. I'm not saying that the supporters don't have a right to be angry but if we could have every game like Mexico at home (the best game I have ever seen Trinidad win in my life) then our quality will increase so much that we might look better than even 06. I still think that we need a new coach but that might not be the real problem with our national team.
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