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Title: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Sam on May 22, 2009, 08:02:54 AM
Should we convert Chris Brichall to a defender ?

How allyuh feel he will perform in central defence or right back ?
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: NUFF on May 22, 2009, 09:46:03 AM
I think he might be worth a try at right back.  I prefer him to stay in midfield though. His shooting ability is a big asset for us.
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: fari on May 22, 2009, 09:58:57 AM
too slow
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Weh-it-is on May 22, 2009, 10:35:32 AM
too slow
ditto
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Sam on May 22, 2009, 10:39:14 AM
too slow

He cant be worst than Spann....
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Mr Fix-it on May 22, 2009, 10:44:37 AM
too slow

He cant be worst than Spann....
Ditto  ;D
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: STEUPS!! on May 22, 2009, 10:48:49 AM
leave him in d midfield. he is a good winner and distributor of d ball. an as somebody mention, he too slow
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Weh-it-is on May 22, 2009, 10:52:56 AM
Moving him to play in de back, who will hustle in the middle? Don't even try to answer.  :-X
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Sam on May 22, 2009, 10:54:37 AM
Ah feeling this line up. ?

                    Ince
Birchall, Lawrence, Thomas, M.Edwards
    Carlos, Noel, Yorke, Hyland, Wolfe
                   Jones
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: slates on May 22, 2009, 11:23:58 AM
Yuh see how after games, Birchall name usually get called as one who represented the Warriors favorably? Well, put him in defence and his last favorable rating would be just that, HIS LAST.

Leave the boy in the middle eh, unless yuh want to ruin him.
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Preacher on May 22, 2009, 11:40:07 AM
Ah feeling this line up. ?

                    Ince
Birchall, Lawrence, Thomas, M.Edwards
    Carlos, Noel, Yorke, Hyland, Wolfe
                   Jones

You might be unto to something there boy.  Forget even trying to come down we left side.
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Pointman on May 22, 2009, 12:40:23 PM
Leave him right whey he is...that is where he is most effective. As long as his fittness level is up he is very good in the midfield.
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: jai john on May 22, 2009, 01:19:38 PM
birchall too slow ..wha bout yorke ...oh we cant answer that can we ? ..because we eh see him in a while ..but he playing ! In fact de Sunderland folks eh see him playing since december last year but no scene ...
I find de Birchall ting at RB might work ...who we have for dey ? anyway we playing Tobago over 30's next so we could try it den.
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Big Magician on May 22, 2009, 02:13:50 PM
not bad SAM...the Birchall ting eh...not dat squad yuh pick
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Tenorsaw on May 22, 2009, 02:19:18 PM
We'll miss his hustle in the middle, his shooting prowess and his ability to run with the ball and translate defence into attack (saw it against the U.S. in POS).  What I like about Birchie is his ability to run with the ball in open spaces; he does a good job of this coming from deep in our defence.  We need that kind of "ball handling" ability.
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 22, 2009, 02:21:44 PM
too slow
ditto
tritto
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: fatimarima on May 22, 2009, 02:51:44 PM
Should we convert Chris Brichall to a defender ?

How allyuh feel he will perform in central defence or right back ?

me eh know
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: GunnerStunner on May 22, 2009, 06:26:13 PM
reads the game well gives a 110% BUT still too slow
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 22, 2009, 06:37:59 PM
reads the game well gives a 110% BUT still too slow


115% V I
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: davidephraim on May 22, 2009, 07:58:41 PM
We'll miss his hustle in the middle, his shooting prowess and his ability to run with the ball and translate defence into attack (saw it against the U.S. in POS).  What I like about Birchie is his ability to run with the ball in open spaces; he does a good job of this coming from deep in our defence.  We need that kind of "ball handling" ability.

I with Tenor on this. Too much to give-up.
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Star Child on May 22, 2009, 08:00:12 PM
Spann is a lialibility on the right, Costa Rica will force him becuase he mistake prone, he love to play bad balls around our penalty and hesitates to tackle and love to get leave out. Brichall is a better option.

I say, we give K.Joseph a chance on de right ?

Ah like this line up.

                    Ince
Joseph, Andrews, Lawrence, Michael
      Edwards, Noel, Yorke, Aklie
                  Daniel
                  Jones
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: weary1969 on May 22, 2009, 08:06:57 PM
Spann is a lialibility on the right, Costa Rica will force him becuase he mistake prone, he love to play bad balls around our penalty and hesitates to tackle and love to get leave out. Brichall is a better option.

I say, we give K.Joseph a chance on de right ?

Ah like this line up.

                    Ince
Joseph, Andrews, Lawrence, Michael
      Edwards, Noel, Yorke, Aklie
                  Daniel
                  Jones

Akile suspended HALLEUJAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Sam on June 08, 2009, 07:50:26 AM
What piss me off is that the fact if Costa Rica wanted to score, they scored !!!

That's how poor our defence was.

This is why Birchall might be good in right back and let Carlos focus going forward.

Birchall have no skills what so ever, he can stick with his man and make great tackles. Hyland, Spann or Trent could be our DM players and move Birchall to right back.

Something like this in the future.

                   Ince
Birchall, Lawrence, Avery, Jlloyd
Edwards, Noel, Daniel, Hyland, Aklie
                 Jones
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: arrow on June 08, 2009, 07:57:22 AM
What piss me off is that the fact if Costa Rica wanted to score, they scored !!!

That's how poor our defence was.

This is why Birchall might be good in right back and let Carlos focus going forward.

Birchall have no skills what so ever, he can stick with his man and make great tackles. Hyland, Spann or Trent could be our DM players and move Birchall to right back.

Something like this in the future.

                   Ince
Birchall, Lawrence, Avery, Jlloyd
Edwards, Noel, Daniel, Hyland, Aklie
                 Jones

for a minute there I thought you were posting something serious!
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: dinho on June 08, 2009, 08:02:54 AM
What piss me off is that the fact if Costa Rica wanted to score, they scored !!!

That's how poor our defence was.

This is why Birchall might be good in right back and let Carlos focus going forward.

Birchall have no skills what so ever, he can stick with his man and make great tackles. Hyland, Spann or Trent could be our DM players and move Birchall to right back.

Something like this in the future.

                   Ince
Birchall, Lawrence, Avery, Jlloyd
Edwards, Noel, Daniel, Hyland, Aklie
                 Jones


utter shit. :bs:
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Sam on June 08, 2009, 08:03:52 AM
I am, Aklie might make a good left wing player... notice I said might....

Avery can play center defence good to...
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Bally on June 08, 2009, 08:09:16 AM
Should we convert Chris Brichall to a defender ?

How allyuh feel he will perform in central defence or right back ?
Sam yah read my mind I was thinking the same thing didn't have chance to post it good going  :beermug:
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: jumbonut$ on June 08, 2009, 08:17:37 AM
What piss me off is that the fact if Costa Rica wanted to score, they scored !!!

That's how poor our defence was.

This is why Birchall might be good in right back and let Carlos focus going forward.

Birchall have no skills what so ever, he can stick with his man and make great tackles. Hyland, Spann or Trent could be our DM players and move Birchall to right back.

Something like this in the future.

                   Ince
Birchall, Lawrence, Avery, Jlloyd
Edwards, Noel, Daniel, Hyland, Aklie
                 Jones

for a minute there I thought you were posting something serious!

Aklie on the left would be a good choice for us. That is wherehe plays for Defence Force and he is pretty efficient getting forward and working back to help the left back. The boi have a great work rate and that would be a good asset to we defensive minded left side.
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: injunchile on June 08, 2009, 09:40:45 AM
With Glen Out for the next Game. This is my starting eleven

                          Ince


    Edwards   Thomas  Tallest    Avery


Tinto   Spann  Birchill   Samuel

          KJ  and Scotty

    Baptiste for Tinto
   Yorke for Birchill
    Daniel for Samuel
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Babalawo on June 08, 2009, 10:09:11 AM
he cyah head consistently too.

i could consider moving avery john inside. he cyah run on the wing too much like he used too. but he can still defend
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: dwolfman on June 08, 2009, 10:12:27 AM
While he has the fight and the brains to do the job I think outside of his tackling what else has he got to offer? Maybe during a game you might slot him back there as some sort of temporary thing, but to start and effectively select him as a defender I think will create more problems than it solves.

He is strongest for us right where he is at the moment. If we're so badly off for a right back Carlos Edwards would be a better fit.
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Peter on June 08, 2009, 10:23:05 AM
I know all alyuh blind and biased peeps on here will jump on me for this, but Birchall is as much a liability as he is an asset. He can tackle and win the ball and hit good long crosses, but he loses the ball way too often and easily when he's put under pressure from the opposition because he cannot create any space, can't link up in attacking interplay well, and hits a good few misplaced passes on his day. He's an enigma- has his positive and negative impacts on the team, and in being respectful of the quality of other midfielders we have like Trent Noel and Silvio Spann, I can understand fully why Latapy left him out, and if he leaves him out in the future. A good example of his shortcomings is in the Costa Rica game, Carlos threw in the ball to him, he just had to hit a simple return pass to Carlos, but hit is much too soft and a Costa Rican came in and took the ball- chance gone and pressure now on the our very suspect defense.

I don't EVER see anyone on here talking about Birchall's weakness, but instead you all talk about him like he's Steven Gerrard and leaving him on the bench is treason, Birchall can do no wrong in the eyes of all the supporter- people seem to be blinded to and do not mention his errant passes and soft losing of the ball under little pressure in matches.

Right, so now that I've personally dispelled all the very annoying and biased talk about Birchall that every spouts, I still believe he should be on the field because we need a lively midfielder to protect the defense and who can tackle well, just that unlike everyone else, I acknowledge the weaknesses in his play that can cost us, and believe that he should play a very rigid and disciplined defensive midfield role, taking as LITTLE RISKS AS POSSIBLE, keep it simple, and leave as much of the advancing as possible to the other midfielders. I hear people talking about his shooting ability, but we have other players like spann who can also shoot from distance, and can create space when crowded out higher up the field, and since Birchall can't do the latter, again he should stay deep and leave the advancing to the other midfielders, because in attack his liabilities outweigh his assets.

We don't have many players who are solid and complete players, most have some skills but lack others, so need to have 2 players doing what one should be able to do, but the thing is there's only 10 outfield spots available, so when you sacrifice one player, you sacrifice one aspect of the game that is required to win matches, and enhance another, so it's always a trade off, so whether Latapy takes off a midfielder like Trent Noel to play Birchall, we may be more defensively sound when the opponents have the ball, but at the same time we probably won't be as creative and fluid in attack and build up play to create chances- and goals win matches.

So like I said, with the incomplete nature of most of our players, it's always a trade off and sacrifice, there's only 11 spots on the team, so what ever route Latapy goes, I'm sure he(with his experience and football knowledge, unlike us armchair coaches) more than us will know according to the players we have, what trade off has the better chance of yielding results and have us winning football matches. I see disadvantages and advantages of having Birchall on like many other players, I trust Latapy more than us will be able to filter it down and come up with the definitive and best solution.

The only sure starter on this team is certainly Carlos Edwards, he's been our best player by a good amount for years on running.

On the post, I feel that Birchall could possibly work as defender(but definitely not wingback), he's faster than any we've got now, and he's very lively and has aggression.

On a side note, with how Kenwyne playing in attack for Trinidad, I feeling Latapy should put him back to play defense, he might be of much better use to us there. Even saying that, I still feel he can display his quality in attack for us, if we were creating as many chances in the past 7 months as we did against Costa Rica, I'm sure Kenwyne and Scotland would have scored a good few.

You all played very honourably against Costa Rica fellas, keep your heads up. Of course we have many things to improve on, but from this showing, I'm very confident that Latapy will get them right!!!!!

BTW...-
WE BEATING MEXICO IN AZTECA.
WE BEATING MEXICO IN AZTECA.
WE BEATING MEXICO IN AZTECA.
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: RasIred on June 08, 2009, 01:36:14 PM
Nah Birchall is best used as a defensive Mid - who can win balls in mid, which we need !! So he should remain in the mid to help out the defense
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Fyzoman on June 08, 2009, 02:14:54 PM
personally i feel latas doh like Birchall (for whatever reason)
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Themanfriday on June 08, 2009, 02:15:50 PM
You like Jam in yuh shoe?


Talk Dun
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: sHOTTA) on June 08, 2009, 02:32:12 PM
Well we all have our favorites. Here is my starting 11

         Ince
Hislop, Jack , Thomas, Avery
Tinto, Spann, Yorke, Samuel, Keon
         Jones


Note: Lawrence and Dog must be on the bench, esp Dennie, he looks far from been the defender we need.
Sometimes I wished we had defenders like Jamaica.

 
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Arimaman on June 08, 2009, 03:06:32 PM
Well we all have our favorites. Here is my starting 11

         Ince
Hislop, Jack , Thomas, Avery
Tinto, Spann, Yorke, Samuel, Keon
         Jones


Note: Lawrence and Dog must be on the bench, esp Dennie, he looks far from been the defender we need.
Sometimes I wished we had defenders like Jamaica.

 
Makan Hislop is not a right back....evidence.....look at the the US game tape....
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Small Change on June 08, 2009, 03:09:31 PM
We weak at the right back postion, hence the reason Carlos is there. Currently, we don't have a proper right back to play that position at that level. Carlos does alright. But he is not a defender!!!
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: noize on June 08, 2009, 03:16:45 PM
Well we all have our favorites. Here is my starting 11

         Ince
Hislop, Jack , Thomas, Avery
Tinto, Spann, Yorke, Samuel, Keon
         Jones


Note: Lawrence and Dog must be on the bench, esp Dennie, he looks far from been the defender we need.
Sometimes I wished we had defenders like Jamaica.

 
Makan Hislop is not a right back....evidence.....look at the the US game tape....



Wow... Carlos not even on the field???...Keon?? Hislop on the right and Jack?..No more drinking and posting ;D
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Peter on June 08, 2009, 04:34:41 PM
Well we all have our favorites. Here is my starting 11

         Ince
Hislop, Jack , Thomas, Avery
Tinto, Spann, Yorke, Samuel, Keon
         Jones


Note: Lawrence and Dog must be on the bench, esp Dennie, he looks far from been the defender we need.
Sometimes I wished we had defenders like Jamaica.

 
Makan Hislop is not a right back....evidence.....look at the the US game tape....



Wow... Carlos not even on the field???...Keon?? Hislop on the right and Jack?..No more drinking and posting ;D

lol, i agree. Carlos is the ONLY automatic starter on our team.
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: richpy on June 08, 2009, 05:24:28 PM
I know all alyuh blind and biased peeps on here will jump on me for this, but Birchall is as much a liability as he is an asset. He can tackle and win the ball and hit good long crosses, but he loses the ball way too often and easily when he's put under pressure from the opposition because he cannot create any space, can't link up in attacking interplay well, and hits a good few misplaced passes on his day. He's an enigma- has his positive and negative impacts on the team, and in being respectful of the quality of other midfielders we have like Trent Noel and Silvio Spann, I can understand fully why Latapy left him out, and if he leaves him out in the future. A good example of his shortcomings is in the Costa Rica game, Carlos threw in the ball to him, he just had to hit a simple return pass to Carlos, but hit is much too soft and a Costa Rican came in and took the ball- chance gone and pressure now on the our very suspect defense.

I don't EVER see anyone on here talking about Birchall's weakness, but instead you all talk about him like he's Steven Gerrard and leaving him on the bench is treason, Birchall can do no wrong in the eyes of all the supporter- people seem to be blinded to and do not mention his errant passes and soft losing of the ball under little pressure in matches.

Right, so now that I've personally dispelled all the very annoying and biased talk about Birchall that every spouts, I still believe he should be on the field because we need a lively midfielder to protect the defense and who can tackle well, just that unlike everyone else, I acknowledge the weaknesses in his play that can cost us, and believe that he should play a very rigid and disciplined defensive midfield role, taking as LITTLE RISKS AS POSSIBLE, keep it simple, and leave as much of the advancing as possible to the other midfielders. I hear people talking about his shooting ability, but we have other players like spann who can also shoot from distance, and can create space when crowded out higher up the field, and since Birchall can't do the latter, again he should stay deep and leave the advancing to the other midfielders, because in attack his liabilities outweigh his assets.

We don't have many players who are solid and complete players, most have some skills but lack others, so need to have 2 players doing what one should be able to do, but the thing is there's only 10 outfield spots available, so when you sacrifice one player, you sacrifice one aspect of the game that is required to win matches, and enhance another, so it's always a trade off, so whether Latapy takes off a midfielder like Trent Noel to play Birchall, we may be more defensively sound when the opponents have the ball, but at the same time we probably won't be as creative and fluid in attack and build up play to create chances- and goals win matches.

So like I said, with the incomplete nature of most of our players, it's always a trade off and sacrifice, there's only 11 spots on the team, so what ever route Latapy goes, I'm sure he(with his experience and football knowledge, unlike us armchair coaches) more than us will know according to the players we have, what trade off has the better chance of yielding results and have us winning football matches. I see disadvantages and advantages of having Birchall on like many other players, I trust Latapy more than us will be able to filter it down and come up with the definitive and best solution.

The only sure starter on this team is certainly Carlos Edwards, he's been our best player by a good amount for years on running.

On the post, I feel that Birchall could possibly work as defender(but definitely not wingback), he's faster than any we've got now, and he's very lively and has aggression.

On a side note, with how Kenwyne playing in attack for Trinidad, I feeling Latapy should put him back to play defense, he might be of much better use to us there. Even saying that, I still feel he can display his quality in attack for us, if we were creating as many chances in the past 7 months as we did against Costa Rica, I'm sure Kenwyne and Scotland would have scored a good few.

You all played very honourably against Costa Rica fellas, keep your heads up. Of course we have many things to improve on, but from this showing, I'm very confident that Latapy will get them right!!!!!

BTW...-
WE BEATING MEXICO IN AZTECA.
WE BEATING MEXICO IN AZTECA.
WE BEATING MEXICO IN AZTECA.



Thais sense.

Birchall's best play is when he has no offensive resposibility, ala. Makalele, Toure etc.
All we want is a man to shield the defence and bring it. 
Probably him and Yorke need to share pick, because we need a pivot man in front of the defence, and Yorke was roast after 1st half.
Ah ent want to blight Spanner, but for the longest, I see men crying down the man.
In truth, he has always been a central midfielder. Even on his best play at wingback, I was like, 'This man is wasted as a defender'. The man finally get his chance, and the man look good. I wouldn't have taken him off, but then Latas is the coach.
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Cocorite on June 08, 2009, 06:17:18 PM
Latapy: "Take it to Them!"
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Peter on June 08, 2009, 06:22:58 PM
Thanks for backing me up on that richpy!! ;D People have to stop sipping their Birchall koolaid and start looking at him objectively and honestly, like they do for all the rest of our players. I have no idea why people in T&T do that with Birchall in particular, maybe you all can think of some reason he's held up higher than everyone else, like he's untouchable, what's so different about him that would make everyone treat him different from all the rest of our players, putting him on a pedestal despite his numerous shortcomings that sometimes costs the team as much as he helps it??? **hint hint**

That being said, like you backed me up with richpy, I believe Birchall will be a great asset for us in a strict and rigid defensive midfield role, and avoiding driving too far forward, but staying deep. If you all want to know why, read my big post above. I have a good feeling that's what Bruce Arena saw in him, and will have him play that for the La Galaxy.
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: grskywalker on June 08, 2009, 06:45:57 PM
the man is a natural midfielder, leave him where he is, plus he could real fire shot!
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Quags on June 08, 2009, 07:34:12 PM
Would Sam make a good TnT Ambassador  to Jamaica ?
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Deeks on June 08, 2009, 07:59:53 PM
I don't think Birchall is being put on a pedestal by anyone here. He not a great dribbler nor a great passer of the ball, but his defensive play in mid-field is commendable. Lot's of times it appears that he is doing the bulk of the defensive work in the middle.

What made it worse Whitley's injury has ruled him out and Denzil has been utterly disappointing. He has all the physical asset to be a great mid-fielder but somehow he appears to be stuck in the 06 WC gear. He needed to step up big time. He has not.

 The lack of quality defensive and offensive mid-fielders has been a huge problem. Other teams  does run thru our middle like a basket holding water. Most people just like his work ethic. Last Saturday the team did that for the 1st half at least.
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: King Deese on June 08, 2009, 08:43:02 PM


i think birchall would make an excellent goal keeper.
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: WestCoast on June 08, 2009, 08:50:05 PM
i think birchall would make an excellent goal keeper.
oh shims man
doh do dat
 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Fyzoman on June 08, 2009, 08:59:20 PM
ah just ha to shake meh head.....so hear nah, Birchall get rel sh*tty or we team get rel good, because de last time i check de man who take we to de WC, kinda see a lil something in Chris enough to have him on de field all de friggin time....is one set ah analysis and team selection.....Sam no disrepect eh, but if Leo was here you wouldna be asking dat question, it woulda be ah non-issue.

P.S my bad if it have men on here wid better resume/WC experience than Leo eh, if so, well allyuh know best.
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Peter on June 09, 2009, 03:28:01 AM
I don't think Birchall is being put on a pedestal by anyone here. He not a great dribbler nor a great passer of the ball, but his defensive play in mid-field is commendable. Lot's of times it appears that he is doing the bulk of the defensive work in the middle.

What made it worse Whitley's injury has ruled him out and Denzil has been utterly disappointing. He has all the physical asset to be a great mid-fielder but somehow he appears to be stuck in the 06 WC gear. He needed to step up big time. He has not.

 The lack of quality defensive and offensive mid-fielders has been a huge problem. Other teams  does run thru our middle like a basket holding water. Most people just like his work ethic. Last Saturday the team did that for the 1st half at least.

Cool. I agree he should be in defensive mid, but unlike the majority of people who thinks he's the best thing since slice bread, I think is poor passing and tendencies to lose the ball makes him a liability higher up the field. Like I said before, he needs to play rigidly a deep defensive midfield role, that's where he'll be best for us, and his strong points will be maximized and his weaknesses not affect the team as much.

I hear somebody talking about how Beenhackker always picked him- the difference is that back then, though he was never as good as some of our other midfielders in attacking link up play, he wasn't losing the ball as easily or frequently as he is now, so he wasn't a liability to us driving forward, but an advantage. I think his lack of playing time at his clubs have made him regress, but like I said before, everybody seems blinded and unable to speak honestly about him. Also, other midfielders like Trent Noel hadn't stepped up back then like they have now. That said, I also like him because of his fight and tough midfield play looks to be a cool feller, but how some people eyes does glaze over when they mention his name, I feel they like him for other reasons.
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Fyzoman on June 09, 2009, 06:19:11 AM
i feel some people (including Latas) doh like Birchall because he white, yuh know like how some people doh like de US team, but nothing wrong wid dat yuh know, for dat matter dey could drop Birchall for all i care, as long as we win. there, dat should end de talk.
Title: Re: Would Birchall make a good defender ?
Post by: Dinner Mints on June 09, 2009, 07:32:14 AM
I don't think Birchall is being put on a pedestal by anyone here. He not a great dribbler nor a great passer of the ball, but his defensive play in mid-field is commendable. Lot's of times it appears that he is doing the bulk of the defensive work in the middle.

What made it worse Whitley's injury has ruled him out and Denzil has been utterly disappointing. He has all the physical asset to be a great mid-fielder but somehow he appears to be stuck in the 06 WC gear. He needed to step up big time. He has not.

 The lack of quality defensive and offensive mid-fielders has been a huge problem. Other teams  does run thru our middle like a basket holding water. Most people just like his work ethic. Last Saturday the team did that for the 1st half at least.

Cool. I agree he should be in defensive mid, but unlike the majority of people who thinks he's the best thing since slice bread, I think is poor passing and tendencies to lose the ball makes him a liability higher up the field. Like I said before, he needs to play rigidly a deep defensive midfield role, that's where he'll be best for us, and his strong points will be maximized and his weaknesses not affect the team as much.

I hear somebody talking about how Beenhackker always picked him- the difference is that back then, though he was never as good as some of our other midfielders in attacking link up play, he wasn't losing the ball as easily or frequently as he is now, so he wasn't a liability to us driving forward, but an advantage. I think his lack of playing time at his clubs have made him regress, but like I said before, everybody seems blinded and unable to speak honestly about him. Also, other midfielders like Trent Noel hadn't stepped up back then like they have now. That said, I also like him because of his fight and tough midfield play looks to be a cool feller, but how some people eyes does glaze over when they mention his name, I feel they like him for other reasons.
You would have a point if people here were praising him for his passing or skill or offensive enterprise. Then you could argue about glazed over eyes or whatever. But everybody that praises Birchall here does so based on the same thing you do. His work rate, his aggression and his importance defensively. And quite honestly, RIGHT NOW, he's the best in that role, which is why so many people advocate for him as a starter. Not because he have no tan.
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