I have a question for you guys, after analyzing the current corp. of English strikers {men like Heskey} I was thinking if Kenwayne Jones was English could he make this England team?
Fellas here is the scene, KJ has not score for us because our system isn't build around him. It's build around Yorke. At top flight if you are left without a good supporting role you are toast. e.g KJ Other than Carlos nobody can get around guys and play the ball into KJ or Stern for than matter. Most of the time you have KJ chasing scraps. What u want the man to do?
If Stern scoring from scraps for years - why can't KJ do the same??
Fellas here is the scene, KJ has not score for us because our system isn't build around him. It's build around Yorke. At top flight if you are left without a good supporting role you are toast. e.g KJ Other than Carlos nobody can get around guys and play the ball into KJ or Stern for than matter. Most of the time you have KJ chasing scraps. What u want the man to do?
if he was english...i think he would be a much better striker then how he is right now...people have to remember he was a defencer before coming a striker...for me i don't think he a pure striker i think he develop in to one that people like...i guess?
He would be an English shithong! People talkin about he would be dis and dat if was at a big side and get better coach an sh1te; but the bottomline is he still aint lookin like he doin his part tuh improve. Say wat about Dwight he worked on becomin the player that made big side spend money on him because he showed a hunger and performed when he went to United. Jones get a big contract based on potential and aint win shite and he acting like he reach. Ah waitin for an interview when he talkin about all the hard work he puttin to improve the things even a greenhorn like myself can see he stll can't do as a damn professional. Come on when is he going to take responsibility for trying tuh take things to the next level or is it as good as it gets which he already knows and people out there don't want to accept it?Breds , jones scored 12 goals this season in all competition,and he missed almost half the season, the top scorer in the epl had 19 goals (anelka) and he played all season long with ah better supporting cast.
kenwyn jones is a shit hound, he not good at the highest level. he is not a strikerBreds i understand yuh frustration, i does say that too when i watching him and in the heat of the moment, but after i calm down and analize the situation, the reality is , the man for the whole hex eh get ah proper ball tuh his head and we all know how dangerous the man is in the air.
PS: ah shit hound don't shine in the EPL for half ah season comming out with 10 goals , and three in the cup games. no way!!! ah sh!t hound can't achieve that!true true
He would be an English shithong! People talkin about he would be dis and dat if was at a big side and get better coach an sh1te; but the bottomline is he still aint lookin like he doin his part tuh improve. Say wat about Dwight he worked on becomin the player that made big side spend money on him because he showed a hunger and performed when he went to United. Jones get a big contract based on potential and aint win shite and he acting like he reach. Ah waitin for an interview when he talkin about all the hard work he puttin to improve the things even a greenhorn like myself can see he stll can't do as a damn professional. Come on when is he going to take responsibility for trying tuh take things to the next level or is it as good as it gets which he already knows and people out there don't want to accept it?Breds , jones scored 12 goals this season in all competition,and he missed almost half the season, the top scorer in the epl had 19 goals (anelka) and he played all season long with ah better supporting cast.
Kj not only had 12 goals in all competitions, but he had the top assist for his club. i not making no excuses for him BC i think he was capable of much better, but that ain't bad for ah fella who just came off ah serious injury and might be still injured somewhat.
i watched the mexico game 3times now and when i analize the tape, KJ wasn't getting any service, none period, the only half ah chance he had was when daniel played that ball in for him and he kicked it straight @ the keeper who fumbled the ball.
scotty is the man who got all the chances tuh score and blew it. all the hype made KJ one of the most fared striker in concacaf and the EPL! i never see ah man get doubled and trippled teamed as much as KJ, that's why it's really hard for him tuh score, he needs much better service from club and country. we have big players , but we don't know how tuh untilize them. an hope latas get it right for the remaining fixtures.
BTW, he out scored the following big players,
zamora,
dempsey,
utaka,
adebayor,
alves, mido,
roberts,
martins,
owens,
tevez,
fabregas,
maluda,
defoe,
saha,
bendtner,
berbatov,
steven ireland,
creg bellamy,
drogba,
callou,
ashley
young,
sean write phillips,
emile hesky,
jermain jennas,
roque santa cruz,
xabi alonzo,
theo walcott.
In case yuh didn't know my friend, goals win matches, and strikers are there to score goals , not look pretty while scoring them.He would be an English shithong! People talkin about he would be dis and dat if was at a big side and get better coach an sh1te; but the bottomline is he still aint lookin like he doin his part tuh improve. Say wat about Dwight he worked on becomin the player that made big side spend money on him because he showed a hunger and performed when he went to United. Jones get a big contract based on potential and aint win shite and he acting like he reach. Ah waitin for an interview when he talkin about all the hard work he puttin to improve the things even a greenhorn like myself can see he stll can't do as a damn professional. Come on when is he going to take responsibility for trying tuh take things to the next level or is it as good as it gets which he already knows and people out there don't want to accept it?Breds , jones scored 12 goals this season in all competition,and he missed almost half the season, the top scorer in the epl had 19 goals (anelka) and he played all season long with ah better supporting cast.
Kj not only had 12 goals in all competitions, but he had the top assist for his club. i not making no excuses for him BC i think he was capable of much better, but that ain't bad for ah fella who just came off ah serious injury and might be still injured somewhat.
i watched the mexico game 3times now and when i analize the tape, KJ wasn't getting any service, none period, the only half ah chance he had was when daniel played that ball in for him and he kicked it straight @ the keeper who fumbled the ball.
scotty is the man who got all the chances tuh score and blew it. all the hype made KJ one of the most fared striker in concacaf and the EPL! i never see ah man get doubled and trippled teamed as much as KJ, that's why it's really hard for him tuh score, he needs much better service from club and country. we have big players , but we don't know how tuh untilize them. an hope latas get it right for the remaining fixtures.
BTW, he out scored the following big players,
zamora,
dempsey,
utaka,
adebayor,
alves, mido,
roberts,
martins,
owens,
tevez,
fabregas,
maluda,
defoe,
saha,
bendtner,
berbatov,
steven ireland,
creg bellamy,
drogba,
callou,
ashley
young,
sean write phillips,
emile hesky,
jermain jennas,
roque santa cruz,
xabi alonzo,
theo walcott.
Actually my opinion was not addressing anything to do with him scoring goals or why he not scoring goals but on his apparent inability to do the basics constantly as well as his apparent low football IQ!
In case yuh didn't know my friend, goals win matches, and strikers are there to score goals , not look pretty while scoring them.He would be an English shithong! People talkin about he would be dis and dat if was at a big side and get better coach an sh1te; but the bottomline is he still aint lookin like he doin his part tuh improve. Say wat about Dwight he worked on becomin the player that made big side spend money on him because he showed a hunger and performed when he went to United. Jones get a big contract based on potential and aint win shite and he acting like he reach. Ah waitin for an interview when he talkin about all the hard work he puttin to improve the things even a greenhorn like myself can see he stll can't do as a damn professional. Come on when is he going to take responsibility for trying tuh take things to the next level or is it as good as it gets which he already knows and people out there don't want to accept it?Breds , jones scored 12 goals this season in all competition,and he missed almost half the season, the top scorer in the epl had 19 goals (anelka) and he played all season long with ah better supporting cast.
Kj not only had 12 goals in all competitions, but he had the top assist for his club. i not making no excuses for him BC i think he was capable of much better, but that ain't bad for ah fella who just came off ah serious injury and might be still injured somewhat.
i watched the mexico game 3times now and when i analize the tape, KJ wasn't getting any service, none period, the only half ah chance he had was when daniel played that ball in for him and he kicked it straight @ the keeper who fumbled the ball.
scotty is the man who got all the chances tuh score and blew it. all the hype made KJ one of the most fared striker in concacaf and the EPL! i never see ah man get doubled and trippled teamed as much as KJ, that's why it's really hard for him tuh score, he needs much better service from club and country. we have big players , but we don't know how tuh untilize them. an hope latas get it right for the remaining fixtures.
BTW, he out scored the following big players,
zamora,
dempsey,
utaka,
adebayor,
alves, mido,
roberts,
martins,
owens,
tevez,
fabregas,
maluda,
defoe,
saha,
bendtner,
berbatov,
steven ireland,
creg bellamy,
drogba,
callou,
ashley
young,
sean write phillips,
emile hesky,
jermain jennas,
roque santa cruz,
xabi alonzo,
theo walcott.
Actually my opinion was not addressing anything to do with him scoring goals or why he not scoring goals but on his apparent inability to do the basics constantly as well as his apparent low football IQ!
Stop lying on the man! the fella's first touch is obviously not up to par, i would even go as far as too say say below par, but it's not as bad as you suggested. he's also not the best trapper of ah ball like those top notch players he's up against, but his passing is not bad @ all, and tuh prove that it ain't, last season and this season he topped his team in assist, now you tell me this , if ah fella can't pass, how the hell he's has such ah high assist rate.In case yuh didn't know my friend, goals win matches, and strikers are there to score goals , not look pretty while scoring them.He would be an English shithong! People talkin about he would be dis and dat if was at a big side and get better coach an sh1te; but the bottomline is he still aint lookin like he doin his part tuh improve. Say wat about Dwight he worked on becomin the player that made big side spend money on him because he showed a hunger and performed when he went to United. Jones get a big contract based on potential and aint win shite and he acting like he reach. Ah waitin for an interview when he talkin about all the hard work he puttin to improve the things even a greenhorn like myself can see he stll can't do as a damn professional. Come on when is he going to take responsibility for trying tuh take things to the next level or is it as good as it gets which he already knows and people out there don't want to accept it?Breds , jones scored 12 goals this season in all competition,and he missed almost half the season, the top scorer in the epl had 19 goals (anelka) and he played all season long with ah better supporting cast.
Kj not only had 12 goals in all competitions, but he had the top assist for his club. i not making no excuses for him BC i think he was capable of much better, but that ain't bad for ah fella who just came off ah serious injury and might be still injured somewhat.
i watched the mexico game 3times now and when i analize the tape, KJ wasn't getting any service, none period, the only half ah chance he had was when daniel played that ball in for him and he kicked it straight @ the keeper who fumbled the ball.
scotty is the man who got all the chances tuh score and blew it. all the hype made KJ one of the most fared striker in concacaf and the EPL! i never see ah man get doubled and trippled teamed as much as KJ, that's why it's really hard for him tuh score, he needs much better service from club and country. we have big players , but we don't know how tuh untilize them. an hope latas get it right for the remaining fixtures.
BTW, he out scored the following big players,
zamora,
dempsey,
utaka,
adebayor,
alves, mido,
roberts,
martins,
owens,
tevez,
fabregas,
maluda,
defoe,
saha,
bendtner,
berbatov,
steven ireland,
creg bellamy,
drogba,
callou,
ashley
young,
sean write phillips,
emile hesky,
jermain jennas,
roque santa cruz,
xabi alonzo,
theo walcott.
Actually my opinion was not addressing anything to do with him scoring goals or why he not scoring goals but on his apparent inability to do the basics constantly as well as his apparent low football IQ!
No scene-In case YOU don't know my friend a 'professional' footballer should be able to trap a ball as well as make a basic pass. Yuh boy can't do neither! You actually think people on this forum think Jones is a shithoung because he aint scoring goals or because of his apparent inability to consistenty do the basics?
Meanwhile, the bosses and fans who paying his wages think the world of him. As well as the other bosses willing to part with 20 million pounds for him. I guess they didn't get the memo that flaws = shithound.In case yuh didn't know my friend, goals win matches, and strikers are there to score goals , not look pretty while scoring them.He would be an English shithong! People talkin about he would be dis and dat if was at a big side and get better coach an sh1te; but the bottomline is he still aint lookin like he doin his part tuh improve. Say wat about Dwight he worked on becomin the player that made big side spend money on him because he showed a hunger and performed when he went to United. Jones get a big contract based on potential and aint win shite and he acting like he reach. Ah waitin for an interview when he talkin about all the hard work he puttin to improve the things even a greenhorn like myself can see he stll can't do as a damn professional. Come on when is he going to take responsibility for trying tuh take things to the next level or is it as good as it gets which he already knows and people out there don't want to accept it?Breds , jones scored 12 goals this season in all competition,and he missed almost half the season, the top scorer in the epl had 19 goals (anelka) and he played all season long with ah better supporting cast.
Kj not only had 12 goals in all competitions, but he had the top assist for his club. i not making no excuses for him BC i think he was capable of much better, but that ain't bad for ah fella who just came off ah serious injury and might be still injured somewhat.
i watched the mexico game 3times now and when i analize the tape, KJ wasn't getting any service, none period, the only half ah chance he had was when daniel played that ball in for him and he kicked it straight @ the keeper who fumbled the ball.
scotty is the man who got all the chances tuh score and blew it. all the hype made KJ one of the most fared striker in concacaf and the EPL! i never see ah man get doubled and trippled teamed as much as KJ, that's why it's really hard for him tuh score, he needs much better service from club and country. we have big players , but we don't know how tuh untilize them. an hope latas get it right for the remaining fixtures.
BTW, he out scored the following big players,
zamora,
dempsey,
utaka,
adebayor,
alves, mido,
roberts,
martins,
owens,
tevez,
fabregas,
maluda,
defoe,
saha,
bendtner,
berbatov,
steven ireland,
creg bellamy,
drogba,
callou,
ashley
young,
sean write phillips,
emile hesky,
jermain jennas,
roque santa cruz,
xabi alonzo,
theo walcott.
Actually my opinion was not addressing anything to do with him scoring goals or why he not scoring goals but on his apparent inability to do the basics constantly as well as his apparent low football IQ!
No scene-In case YOU don't know my friend a 'professional' footballer should be able to trap a ball as well as make a basic pass. Yuh boy can't do neither! You actually think people on this forum think Jones is a shithoung because he aint scoring goals or because of his apparent inability to consistenty do the basics?
Fellas here is the scene, KJ has not score for us because our system isn't build around him. It's build around Yorke. At top flight if you are left without a good supporting role you are toast. e.g KJ Other than Carlos nobody can get around guys and play the ball into KJ or Stern for than matter. Most of the time you have KJ chasing scraps. What u want the man to do?
So explain why stern does score? our system is not built around yorke although one can argue that he is the lynchpin of de midfield.
TnT fans is jokers.
Last year Kenwyne was the next Drogba and shoulda go Liverpool. When Kev mention that his work off the ball is poor and his game have flaws, men say that Sunderland is a shit side.
Now he have some bad games for TnT and he is a shithound?
Kenwyne is a young player. He is big, strong and he scores goals. Whatever TnT fans might want him to be or expect him to be he is what he is a very useful player. Could he be better, absolutely but that that don't make him a shit hound. It also doesn't guarantee that replacing him will win us games because none of the competition for his place is head and shoulders above him. No problem giving him a rest to try something different but the criticism is over the top.
Is nothing new though, before Kenwyne, it was Stern. And now it is Ince too. It seems that the players never good enough to play for this BIG, BIG side TnT, that never win anything more than a Shell Cup and have a tinpot federation. The fans vex that, because of the players, we bottom of the Hex instead of cruising to the WC. I could understand hope and even optimism but what this expectation is based on is beyond me.
If I was Kenwyne and I read this board I would put allyuh out of allyuh misery and retire so allyuh wouldn't have to "suffer" the shithound again.
TnT fans is jokers.
Last year Kenwyne was the next Drogba and shoulda go Liverpool. When Kev mention that his work off the ball is poor and his game have flaws, men say that Sunderland is a shit side.
Now he have some bad games for TnT and he is a shithound?
Kenwyne is a young player. He is big, strong and he scores goals. Whatever TnT fans might want him to be or expect him to be he is what he is a very useful player. Could he be better, absolutely but that that don't make him a shit hound. It also doesn't guarantee that replacing him will win us games because none of the competition for his place is head and shoulders above him. No problem giving him a rest to try something different but the criticism is over the top.
Is nothing new though, before Kenwyne, it was Stern. And now it is Ince too. It seems that the players never good enough to play for this BIG, BIG side TnT, that never win anything more than a Shell Cup and have a tinpot federation. The fans vex that, because of the players, we bottom of the Hex instead of cruising to the WC. I could understand hope and even optimism but what this expectation is based on is beyond me.
If I was Kenwyne and I read this board I would put allyuh out of allyuh misery and retire so allyuh wouldn't have to "suffer" the shithound again.
He would be an English shithong! People talkin about he would be dis and dat if was at a big side and get better coach an sh1te; but the bottomline is he still aint lookin like he doin his part tuh improve. Say wat about Dwight he worked on becomin the player that made big side spend money on him because he showed a hunger and performed when he went to United. Jones get a big contract based on potential and aint win shite and he acting like he reach. Ah waitin for an interview when he talkin about all the hard work he puttin to improve the things even a greenhorn like myself can see he stll can't do as a damn professional. Come on when is he going to take responsibility for trying tuh take things to the next level or is it as good as it gets which he already knows and people out there don't want to accept it?Breds , jones scored 12 goals this season in all competition,and he missed almost half the season, the top scorer in the epl had 19 goals (anelka) and he played all season long with ah better supporting cast.
Kj not only had 12 goals in all competitions, but he had the top assist for his club. i not making no excuses for him BC i think he was capable of much better, but that ain't bad for ah fella who just came off ah serious injury and might be still injured somewhat.
i watched the mexico game 3times now and when i analize the tape, KJ wasn't getting any service, none period, the only half ah chance he had was when daniel played that ball in for him and he kicked it straight @ the keeper who fumbled the ball.
scotty is the man who got all the chances tuh score and blew it. all the hype made KJ one of the most fared striker in concacaf and the EPL! i never see ah man get doubled and trippled teamed as much as KJ, that's why it's really hard for him tuh score, he needs much better service from club and country. we have big players , but we don't know how tuh untilize them. an hope latas get it right for the remaining fixtures.
BTW, he out scored the following big players,
zamora,
dempsey,
utaka,
adebayor,
alves, mido,
roberts,
martins,
owens,
tevez,
fabregas,
maluda,
defoe,
saha,
bendtner,
berbatov,
steven ireland,
creg bellamy,
drogba,
callou,
ashley
young,
sean write phillips,
emile hesky,
jermain jennas,
roque santa cruz,
xabi alonzo,
theo walcott.
TnT fans is jokers.
Last year Kenwyne was the next Drogba and shoulda go Liverpool. When Kev mention that his work off the ball is poor and his game have flaws, men say that Sunderland is a shit side.
Now he have some bad games for TnT and he is a shithound?
Kenwyne is a young player. He is big, strong and he scores goals. Whatever TnT fans might want him to be or expect him to be he is what he is a very useful player. Could he be better, absolutely but that that don't make him a shit hound. It also doesn't guarantee that replacing him will win us games because none of the competition for his place is head and shoulders above him. No problem giving him a rest to try something different but the criticism is over the top.
Is nothing new though, before Kenwyne, it was Stern. And now it is Ince too. It seems that the players never good enough to play for this BIG, BIG side TnT, that never win anything more than a Shell Cup and have a tinpot federation. The fans vex that, because of the players, we bottom of the Hex instead of cruising to the WC. I could understand hope and even optimism but what this expectation is based on is beyond me.
If I was Kenwyne and I read this board I would put allyuh out of allyuh misery and retire so allyuh wouldn't have to "suffer" the shithound again.
Hey I was de one saying dat last year and fighting down Kev., I am the same one who came back and told Kev ah sorry dat he damn right.
Jones is ah shit pot...fro T&T and if he retire from we team, is no difference to we goal scoring or lack of it..steups. Sunderland is still a shit side.
But looking at jones' demeanour, he real pissing me off.
I wish dey drop he ass, he cyar trap (and by the way Just cool that is what first touch is, yuh have to trap fus...)he cyar pASS PROPERLY, AND HE SIMPLY HAVE HE HEAd UP HE ASS WHEN it comes to running of the ball and positioning.
Leh he read dis and retire nah...steups He cyar tie Stern John boots
Who said anything bout strikers mr meticulous, if yuh want tuh nit pick go right ahead , but i said, and i repeat , he out scored these big name players! no where did i say here's ah list of STRIKERS he out scored!!He would be an English shithong! People talkin about he would be dis and dat if was at a big side and get better coach an sh1te; but the bottomline is he still aint lookin like he doin his part tuh improve. Say wat about Dwight he worked on becomin the player that made big side spend money on him because he showed a hunger and performed when he went to United. Jones get a big contract based on potential and aint win shite and he acting like he reach. Ah waitin for an interview when he talkin about all the hard work he puttin to improve the things even a greenhorn like myself can see he stll can't do as a damn professional. Come on when is he going to take responsibility for trying tuh take things to the next level or is it as good as it gets which he already knows and people out there don't want to accept it?Breds , jones scored 12 goals this season in all competition,and he missed almost half the season, the top scorer in the epl had 19 goals (anelka) and he played all season long with ah better supporting cast.
Kj not only had 12 goals in all competitions, but he had the top assist for his club. i not making no excuses for him BC i think he was capable of much better, but that ain't bad for ah fella who just came off ah serious injury and might be still injured somewhat.
i watched the mexico game 3times now and when i analize the tape, KJ wasn't getting any service, none period, the only half ah chance he had was when daniel played that ball in for him and he kicked it straight @ the keeper who fumbled the ball.
scotty is the man who got all the chances tuh score and blew it. all the hype made KJ one of the most fared striker in concacaf and the EPL! i never see ah man get doubled and trippled teamed as much as KJ, that's why it's really hard for him tuh score, he needs much better service from club and country. we have big players , but we don't know how tuh untilize them. an hope latas get it right for the remaining fixtures.
BTW, he out scored the following big players,
zamora,
dempsey,
utaka,
adebayor,
alves, mido,
roberts,
martins,
owens,
tevez,
fabregas,
maluda,
defoe,
saha,
bendtner,
berbatov,
steven ireland,
creg bellamy,
drogba,
callou,
ashley
young,
sean write phillips,
emile hesky,
jermain jennas,
roque santa cruz,
xabi alonzo,
theo walcott.
that list seriously flawed...half of them are not even strikers...the other half in teams where they are not the primary strikers or they have a vast strike force
Boss i know dat better than you!! i doh want tuh match whits wid you, but yuh ever heard of collecting ah ball? what about ah volley. first touch means just that, whether it's trapping , passing, collecting or volleying, it mean first touch proffessor!TnT fans is jokers.
Last year Kenwyne was the next Drogba and shoulda go Liverpool. When Kev mention that his work off the ball is poor and his game have flaws, men say that Sunderland is a shit side.
Now he have some bad games for TnT and he is a shithound?
Kenwyne is a young player. He is big, strong and he scores goals. Whatever TnT fans might want him to be or expect him to be he is what he is a very useful player. Could he be better, absolutely but that that don't make him a shit hound. It also doesn't guarantee that replacing him will win us games because none of the competition for his place is head and shoulders above him. No problem giving him a rest to try something different but the criticism is over the top.
Is nothing new though, before Kenwyne, it was Stern. And now it is Ince too. It seems that the players never good enough to play for this BIG, BIG side TnT, that never win anything more than a Shell Cup and have a tinpot federation. The fans vex that, because of the players, we bottom of the Hex instead of cruising to the WC. I could understand hope and even optimism but what this expectation is based on is beyond me.
If I was Kenwyne and I read this board I would put allyuh out of allyuh misery and retire so allyuh wouldn't have to "suffer" the shithound again.
Hey I was de one saying dat last year and fighting down Kev., I am the same one who came back and told Kev ah sorry dat he damn right.
Jones is ah shit pot...fro T&T and if he retire from we team, is no difference to we goal scoring or lack of it..steups. Sunderland is still a shit side.
But looking at jones' demeanour, he real pissing me off.
I wish dey drop he ass, he cyar trap (and by the way Just cool that is what first touch is, yuh have to trap fus...)he cyar pASS PROPERLY, AND HE SIMPLY HAVE HE HEAd UP HE ASS WHEN it comes to running of the ball and positioning.
Leh he read dis and retire nah...steups He cyar tie Stern John boots
He would be an English shithong! People talkin about he would be dis and dat if was at a big side and get better coach an sh1te; but the bottomline is he still aint lookin like he doin his part tuh improve. Say wat about Dwight he worked on becomin the player that made big side spend money on him because he showed a hunger and performed when he went to United. Jones get a big contract based on potential and aint win shite and he acting like he reach. Ah waitin for an interview when he talkin about all the hard work he puttin to improve the things even a greenhorn like myself can see he stll can't do as a damn professional. Come on when is he going to take responsibility for trying tuh take things to the next level or is it as good as it gets which he already knows and people out there don't want to accept it?Breds , jones scored 12 goals this season in all competition,and he missed almost half the season, the top scorer in the epl had 19 goals (anelka) and he played all season long with ah better supporting cast.
Kj not only had 12 goals in all competitions, but he had the top assist for his club. i not making no excuses for him BC i think he was capable of much better, but that ain't bad for ah fella who just came off ah serious injury and might be still injured somewhat.
i watched the mexico game 3times now and when i analize the tape, KJ wasn't getting any service, none period, the only half ah chance he had was when daniel played that ball in for him and he kicked it straight @ the keeper who fumbled the ball.
scotty is the man who got all the chances tuh score and blew it. all the hype made KJ one of the most fared striker in concacaf and the EPL! i never see ah man get doubled and trippled teamed as much as KJ, that's why it's really hard for him tuh score, he needs much better service from club and country. we have big players , but we don't know how tuh untilize them. an hope latas get it right for the remaining fixtures.
BTW, he out scored the following big players,
zamora,
dempsey,
utaka,
adebayor,
alves, mido,
roberts,
martins,
owens,
tevez,
fabregas,
maluda,
defoe,
saha,
bendtner,
berbatov,
steven ireland,
creg bellamy,
drogba,
callou,
ashley
young,
sean write phillips,
emile hesky,
jermain jennas,
roque santa cruz,
xabi alonzo,
theo walcott.
Fellas here is the scene, KJ has not score for us because our system isn't build around him. It's build around Yorke. At top flight if you are left without a good supporting role you are toast. e.g KJ Other than Carlos nobody can get around guys and play the ball into KJ or Stern for than matter. Most of the time you have KJ chasing scraps. What u want the man to do?
from the contract that he signed, and the players brought in - Sunderland is built around him, and still he can't score regularly for them. Carlos on that side too, and he can't get it over consistently/ effectively to him there - and he can't do the same here either.
If Stern scoring from scraps for years - why can't KJ do the same??
Carlton Cole has a better first touch than Kenwyne?He would be an English shithong! People talkin about he would be dis and dat if was at a big side and get better coach an sh1te; but the bottomline is he still aint lookin like he doin his part tuh improve. Say wat about Dwight he worked on becomin the player that made big side spend money on him because he showed a hunger and performed when he went to United. Jones get a big contract based on potential and aint win shite and he acting like he reach. Ah waitin for an interview when he talkin about all the hard work he puttin to improve the things even a greenhorn like myself can see he stll can't do as a damn professional. Come on when is he going to take responsibility for trying tuh take things to the next level or is it as good as it gets which he already knows and people out there don't want to accept it?Breds , jones scored 12 goals this season in all competition,and he missed almost half the season, the top scorer in the epl had 19 goals (anelka) and he played all season long with ah better supporting cast.
Kj not only had 12 goals in all competitions, but he had the top assist for his club. i not making no excuses for him BC i think he was capable of much better, but that ain't bad for ah fella who just came off ah serious injury and might be still injured somewhat.
i watched the mexico game 3times now and when i analize the tape, KJ wasn't getting any service, none period, the only half ah chance he had was when daniel played that ball in for him and he kicked it straight @ the keeper who fumbled the ball.
scotty is the man who got all the chances tuh score and blew it. all the hype made KJ one of the most fared striker in concacaf and the EPL! i never see ah man get doubled and trippled teamed as much as KJ, that's why it's really hard for him tuh score, he needs much better service from club and country. we have big players , but we don't know how tuh untilize them. an hope latas get it right for the remaining fixtures.
BTW, he out scored the following big players,
zamora,
dempsey,
utaka,
adebayor,
alves, mido,
roberts,
martins,
owens,
tevez,
fabregas,
maluda,
defoe,
saha,
bendtner,
berbatov,
steven ireland,
creg bellamy,
drogba,
callou,
ashley
young,
sean write phillips,
emile hesky,
jermain jennas,
roque santa cruz,
xabi alonzo,
theo walcott.
nah breds that was Stead!!! and the 19 goals for anekla was only in the EPL, not counting champions league and FA cup. if yuh quoting stats quote d right ting so folks could put wat yuh saying in to proper perspective. now take those stats and compare KJ again and tell him if yuh verdict is d same. bottom line, IMO he is not a striker. he would never make ah england side with that rapist touch he have. beckham cudnt make d team because of his fitness...yuh think fabio go play KJ with dat touch and lack of work rate? please!!!
Carlton Cole has a better first touch than Kenwyne?He would be an English shithong! People talkin about he would be dis and dat if was at a big side and get better coach an sh1te; but the bottomline is he still aint lookin like he doin his part tuh improve. Say wat about Dwight he worked on becomin the player that made big side spend money on him because he showed a hunger and performed when he went to United. Jones get a big contract based on potential and aint win shite and he acting like he reach. Ah waitin for an interview when he talkin about all the hard work he puttin to improve the things even a greenhorn like myself can see he stll can't do as a damn professional. Come on when is he going to take responsibility for trying tuh take things to the next level or is it as good as it gets which he already knows and people out there don't want to accept it?Breds , jones scored 12 goals this season in all competition,and he missed almost half the season, the top scorer in the epl had 19 goals (anelka) and he played all season long with ah better supporting cast.
Kj not only had 12 goals in all competitions, but he had the top assist for his club. i not making no excuses for him BC i think he was capable of much better, but that ain't bad for ah fella who just came off ah serious injury and might be still injured somewhat.
i watched the mexico game 3times now and when i analize the tape, KJ wasn't getting any service, none period, the only half ah chance he had was when daniel played that ball in for him and he kicked it straight @ the keeper who fumbled the ball.
scotty is the man who got all the chances tuh score and blew it. all the hype made KJ one of the most fared striker in concacaf and the EPL! i never see ah man get doubled and trippled teamed as much as KJ, that's why it's really hard for him tuh score, he needs much better service from club and country. we have big players , but we don't know how tuh untilize them. an hope latas get it right for the remaining fixtures.
BTW, he out scored the following big players,
zamora,
dempsey,
utaka,
adebayor,
alves, mido,
roberts,
martins,
owens,
tevez,
fabregas,
maluda,
defoe,
saha,
bendtner,
berbatov,
steven ireland,
creg bellamy,
drogba,
callou,
ashley
young,
sean write phillips,
emile hesky,
jermain jennas,
roque santa cruz,
xabi alonzo,
theo walcott.
nah breds that was Stead!!! and the 19 goals for anekla was only in the EPL, not counting champions league and FA cup. if yuh quoting stats quote d right ting so folks could put wat yuh saying in to proper perspective. now take those stats and compare KJ again and tell him if yuh verdict is d same. bottom line, IMO he is not a striker. he would never make ah england side with that rapist touch he have. beckham cudnt make d team because of his fitness...yuh think fabio go play KJ with dat touch and lack of work rate? please!!!
Carlton Cole has a better first touch than Kenwyne?He would be an English shithong! People talkin about he would be dis and dat if was at a big side and get better coach an sh1te; but the bottomline is he still aint lookin like he doin his part tuh improve. Say wat about Dwight he worked on becomin the player that made big side spend money on him because he showed a hunger and performed when he went to United. Jones get a big contract based on potential and aint win shite and he acting like he reach. Ah waitin for an interview when he talkin about all the hard work he puttin to improve the things even a greenhorn like myself can see he stll can't do as a damn professional. Come on when is he going to take responsibility for trying tuh take things to the next level or is it as good as it gets which he already knows and people out there don't want to accept it?Breds , jones scored 12 goals this season in all competition,and he missed almost half the season, the top scorer in the epl had 19 goals (anelka) and he played all season long with ah better supporting cast.
Kj not only had 12 goals in all competitions, but he had the top assist for his club. i not making no excuses for him BC i think he was capable of much better, but that ain't bad for ah fella who just came off ah serious injury and might be still injured somewhat.
i watched the mexico game 3times now and when i analize the tape, KJ wasn't getting any service, none period, the only half ah chance he had was when daniel played that ball in for him and he kicked it straight @ the keeper who fumbled the ball.
scotty is the man who got all the chances tuh score and blew it. all the hype made KJ one of the most fared striker in concacaf and the EPL! i never see ah man get doubled and trippled teamed as much as KJ, that's why it's really hard for him tuh score, he needs much better service from club and country. we have big players , but we don't know how tuh untilize them. an hope latas get it right for the remaining fixtures.
BTW, he out scored the following big players,
zamora,
dempsey,
utaka,
adebayor,
alves, mido,
roberts,
martins,
owens,
tevez,
fabregas,
maluda,
defoe,
saha,
bendtner,
berbatov,
steven ireland,
creg bellamy,
drogba,
callou,
ashley
young,
sean write phillips,
emile hesky,
jermain jennas,
roque santa cruz,
xabi alonzo,
theo walcott.
nah breds that was Stead!!! and the 19 goals for anekla was only in the EPL, not counting champions league and FA cup. if yuh quoting stats quote d right ting so folks could put wat yuh saying in to proper perspective. now take those stats and compare KJ again and tell him if yuh verdict is d same. bottom line, IMO he is not a striker. he would never make ah england side with that rapist touch he have. beckham cudnt make d team because of his fitness...yuh think fabio go play KJ with dat touch and lack of work rate? please!!!
Hey I was de one saying dat last year and fighting down Kev., I am the same one who came back and told Kev ah sorry dat he damn right.
Jones is ah shit pot...fro T&T and if he retire from we team, is no difference to we goal scoring or lack of it..steups. Sunderland is still a shit side.
But looking at jones' demeanour, he real pissing me off.
I wish dey drop he ass, he cyar trap (and by the way Just cool that is what first touch is, yuh have to trap fus...)he cyar pASS PROPERLY, AND HE SIMPLY HAVE HE HEAd UP HE ASS WHEN it comes to running of the ball and positioning.
Leh he read dis and retire nah...steups He cyar tie Stern John boots
I have a question for you guys, after analyzing the current corp. of English strikers {men like Heskey} I was thinking if Kenwayne Jones was English could he make this England team?
OK fella, what about the season that roy keane completed and sunderland survived, didn't KJ won players of the season and had the most assist.He would be an English shithong! People talkin about he would be dis and dat if was at a big side and get better coach an sh1te; but the bottomline is he still aint lookin like he doin his part tuh improve. Say wat about Dwight he worked on becomin the player that made big side spend money on him because he showed a hunger and performed when he went to United. Jones get a big contract based on potential and aint win shite and he acting like he reach. Ah waitin for an interview when he talkin about all the hard work he puttin to improve the things even a greenhorn like myself can see he stll can't do as a damn professional. Come on when is he going to take responsibility for trying tuh take things to the next level or is it as good as it gets which he already knows and people out there don't want to accept it?Breds , jones scored 12 goals this season in all competition,and he missed almost half the season, the top scorer in the epl had 19 goals (anelka) and he played all season long with ah better supporting cast.
Kj not only had 12 goals in all competitions, but he had the top assist for his club. i not making no excuses for him BC i think he was capable of much better, but that ain't bad for ah fella who just came off ah serious injury and might be still injured somewhat.
i watched the mexico game 3times now and when i analize the tape, KJ wasn't getting any service, none period, the only half ah chance he had was when daniel played that ball in for him and he kicked it straight @ the keeper who fumbled the ball.
scotty is the man who got all the chances tuh score and blew it. all the hype made KJ one of the most fared striker in concacaf and the EPL! i never see ah man get doubled and trippled teamed as much as KJ, that's why it's really hard for him tuh score, he needs much better service from club and country. we have big players , but we don't know how tuh untilize them. an hope latas get it right for the remaining fixtures.
BTW, he out scored the following big players,
zamora,
dempsey,
utaka,
adebayor,
alves, mido,
roberts,
martins,
owens,
tevez,
fabregas,
maluda,
defoe,
saha,
bendtner,
berbatov,
steven ireland,
creg bellamy,
drogba,
callou,
ashley
young,
sean write phillips,
emile hesky,
jermain jennas,
roque santa cruz,
xabi alonzo,
theo walcott.
nah breds that was Stead!!! and the 19 goals for anekla was only in the EPL, not counting champions league and FA cup. if yuh quoting stats quote d right ting so folks could put wat yuh saying in to proper perspective. now take those stats and compare KJ again and tell him if yuh verdict is d same. bottom line, IMO he is not a striker. he would never make ah england side with that rapist touch he have. beckham cudnt make d team because of his fitness...yuh think fabio go play KJ with dat touch and lack of work rate? please!!!
And i never see carlton cole jump 9 ft high out jumping the defence to head ah ball @ full speed pass no keeper! how many strikers in the prem have that ability?Carlton Cole has a better first touch than Kenwyne?He would be an English shithong! People talkin about he would be dis and dat if was at a big side and get better coach an sh1te; but the bottomline is he still aint lookin like he doin his part tuh improve. Say wat about Dwight he worked on becomin the player that made big side spend money on him because he showed a hunger and performed when he went to United. Jones get a big contract based on potential and aint win shite and he acting like he reach. Ah waitin for an interview when he talkin about all the hard work he puttin to improve the things even a greenhorn like myself can see he stll can't do as a damn professional. Come on when is he going to take responsibility for trying tuh take things to the next level or is it as good as it gets which he already knows and people out there don't want to accept it?Breds , jones scored 12 goals this season in all competition,and he missed almost half the season, the top scorer in the epl had 19 goals (anelka) and he played all season long with ah better supporting cast.
Kj not only had 12 goals in all competitions, but he had the top assist for his club. i not making no excuses for him BC i think he was capable of much better, but that ain't bad for ah fella who just came off ah serious injury and might be still injured somewhat.
i watched the mexico game 3times now and when i analize the tape, KJ wasn't getting any service, none period, the only half ah chance he had was when daniel played that ball in for him and he kicked it straight @ the keeper who fumbled the ball.
scotty is the man who got all the chances tuh score and blew it. all the hype made KJ one of the most fared striker in concacaf and the EPL! i never see ah man get doubled and trippled teamed as much as KJ, that's why it's really hard for him tuh score, he needs much better service from club and country. we have big players , but we don't know how tuh untilize them. an hope latas get it right for the remaining fixtures.
BTW, he out scored the following big players,
zamora,
dempsey,
utaka,
adebayor,
alves, mido,
roberts,
martins,
owens,
tevez,
fabregas,
maluda,
defoe,
saha,
bendtner,
berbatov,
steven ireland,
creg bellamy,
drogba,
callou,
ashley
young,
sean write phillips,
emile hesky,
jermain jennas,
roque santa cruz,
xabi alonzo,
theo walcott.
nah breds that was Stead!!! and the 19 goals for anekla was only in the EPL, not counting champions league and FA cup. if yuh quoting stats quote d right ting so folks could put wat yuh saying in to proper perspective. now take those stats and compare KJ again and tell him if yuh verdict is d same. bottom line, IMO he is not a striker. he would never make ah england side with that rapist touch he have. beckham cudnt make d team because of his fitness...yuh think fabio go play KJ with dat touch and lack of work rate? please!!!
Sure he does. He is also a better striker than KJ too. You see him controlling the ball and being able to turn and run and defenders and making good one two passes for West Ham...look at the last goal he scored for them....straight one to two touch football and then he bury it....never see KJ do dem kinda ting for club nor country.
And i never see carlton cole jump 9 ft high out jumping the defence and head ah ball @ full speed pass no keeper! how many strikers in the prem have that ability?
BTW i want tuh believe KJ scored same amount of goals as carlton cole this pass season, and he only played half ah season with minimal service. could you imagine if he had the service carlton cole was getting? so wid all his pretty touch, it's still goals that matter , and KJ scoring goals, so what's yuh beef. ssttuueeppsss
Why?
And i never see carlton cole jump 9 ft high out jumping the defence to head ah ball @ full speed pass no keeper! how many strikers in the prem have that ability?Carlton Cole has a better first touch than Kenwyne?He would be an English shithong! People talkin about he would be dis and dat if was at a big side and get better coach an sh1te; but the bottomline is he still aint lookin like he doin his part tuh improve. Say wat about Dwight he worked on becomin the player that made big side spend money on him because he showed a hunger and performed when he went to United. Jones get a big contract based on potential and aint win shite and he acting like he reach. Ah waitin for an interview when he talkin about all the hard work he puttin to improve the things even a greenhorn like myself can see he stll can't do as a damn professional. Come on when is he going to take responsibility for trying tuh take things to the next level or is it as good as it gets which he already knows and people out there don't want to accept it?Breds , jones scored 12 goals this season in all competition,and he missed almost half the season, the top scorer in the epl had 19 goals (anelka) and he played all season long with ah better supporting cast.
Kj not only had 12 goals in all competitions, but he had the top assist for his club. i not making no excuses for him BC i think he was capable of much better, but that ain't bad for ah fella who just came off ah serious injury and might be still injured somewhat.
i watched the mexico game 3times now and when i analize the tape, KJ wasn't getting any service, none period, the only half ah chance he had was when daniel played that ball in for him and he kicked it straight @ the keeper who fumbled the ball.
scotty is the man who got all the chances tuh score and blew it. all the hype made KJ one of the most fared striker in concacaf and the EPL! i never see ah man get doubled and trippled teamed as much as KJ, that's why it's really hard for him tuh score, he needs much better service from club and country. we have big players , but we don't know how tuh untilize them. an hope latas get it right for the remaining fixtures.
BTW, he out scored the following big players,
zamora,
dempsey,
utaka,
adebayor,
alves, mido,
roberts,
martins,
owens,
tevez,
fabregas,
maluda,
defoe,
saha,
bendtner,
berbatov,
steven ireland,
creg bellamy,
drogba,
callou,
ashley
young,
sean write phillips,
emile hesky,
jermain jennas,
roque santa cruz,
xabi alonzo,
theo walcott.
nah breds that was Stead!!! and the 19 goals for anekla was only in the EPL, not counting champions league and FA cup. if yuh quoting stats quote d right ting so folks could put wat yuh saying in to proper perspective. now take those stats and compare KJ again and tell him if yuh verdict is d same. bottom line, IMO he is not a striker. he would never make ah england side with that rapist touch he have. beckham cudnt make d team because of his fitness...yuh think fabio go play KJ with dat touch and lack of work rate? please!!!
Sure he does. He is also a better striker than KJ too. You see him controlling the ball and being able to turn and run and defenders and making good one two passes for West Ham...look at the last goal he scored for them....straight one to two touch football and then he bury it....never see KJ do dem kinda ting for club nor country.
BTW i want tuh believe KJ scored the same amount of goals as carlton cole this pass season, and he only played half ah season with minimal service. could you imagine if he had the service carlton cole was getting? so wid all his pretty touch, it's still goals that matter , and KJ scoring goals, so what's yuh beef. ssttuueeppsss
Maybe that's why he cyar score for us as of yet, maybe this system don't fit him. ;DAnd i never see carlton cole jump 9 ft high out jumping the defence to head ah ball @ full speed pass no keeper! how many strikers in the prem have that ability?Carlton Cole has a better first touch than Kenwyne?He would be an English shithong! People talkin about he would be dis and dat if was at a big side and get better coach an sh1te; but the bottomline is he still aint lookin like he doin his part tuh improve. Say wat about Dwight he worked on becomin the player that made big side spend money on him because he showed a hunger and performed when he went to United. Jones get a big contract based on potential and aint win shite and he acting like he reach. Ah waitin for an interview when he talkin about all the hard work he puttin to improve the things even a greenhorn like myself can see he stll can't do as a damn professional. Come on when is he going to take responsibility for trying tuh take things to the next level or is it as good as it gets which he already knows and people out there don't want to accept it?Breds , jones scored 12 goals this season in all competition,and he missed almost half the season, the top scorer in the epl had 19 goals (anelka) and he played all season long with ah better supporting cast.
Kj not only had 12 goals in all competitions, but he had the top assist for his club. i not making no excuses for him BC i think he was capable of much better, but that ain't bad for ah fella who just came off ah serious injury and might be still injured somewhat.
i watched the mexico game 3times now and when i analize the tape, KJ wasn't getting any service, none period, the only half ah chance he had was when daniel played that ball in for him and he kicked it straight @ the keeper who fumbled the ball.
scotty is the man who got all the chances tuh score and blew it. all the hype made KJ one of the most fared striker in concacaf and the EPL! i never see ah man get doubled and trippled teamed as much as KJ, that's why it's really hard for him tuh score, he needs much better service from club and country. we have big players , but we don't know how tuh untilize them. an hope latas get it right for the remaining fixtures.
BTW, he out scored the following big players,
zamora,
dempsey,
utaka,
adebayor,
alves, mido,
roberts,
martins,
owens,
tevez,
fabregas,
maluda,
defoe,
saha,
bendtner,
berbatov,
steven ireland,
creg bellamy,
drogba,
callou,
ashley
young,
sean write phillips,
emile hesky,
jermain jennas,
roque santa cruz,
xabi alonzo,
theo walcott.
nah breds that was Stead!!! and the 19 goals for anekla was only in the EPL, not counting champions league and FA cup. if yuh quoting stats quote d right ting so folks could put wat yuh saying in to proper perspective. now take those stats and compare KJ again and tell him if yuh verdict is d same. bottom line, IMO he is not a striker. he would never make ah england side with that rapist touch he have. beckham cudnt make d team because of his fitness...yuh think fabio go play KJ with dat touch and lack of work rate? please!!!
Sure he does. He is also a better striker than KJ too. You see him controlling the ball and being able to turn and run and defenders and making good one two passes for West Ham...look at the last goal he scored for them....straight one to two touch football and then he bury it....never see KJ do dem kinda ting for club nor country.
BTW i want tuh believe KJ scored the same amount of goals as carlton cole this pass season, and he only played half ah season with minimal service. could you imagine if he had the service carlton cole was getting? so wid all his pretty touch, it's still goals that matter , and KJ scoring goals, so what's yuh beef. ssttuueeppsss
yuh really need to watch all the teams before commenting on them horse. Carlton Cole was injured for a period of time during the season as well and sometimes Zola was trying out other strikers so he sat on de bench....i will check and see how much games they both played. you are right, cole cant out jump KJ....but the other attributes cole brings to the table KJ cant....first touch, scoring a wide variety of goals (not primarily headers), passing, movement off d ball, natural strikers instincts etc!!! let me ask you this...if u put KJ as a striker with Barca...arguably the best midfield in d world...yuh think he will score as much goals as Eto? or even half as much? make sure u think carefully before answering! my beef is KJ fits the sunderland system because thats the kinda football they play in england...wing play and cross...so it suits what he does best...jump 9ft and head d ball. however, you pull him out of that system and he looks horrible because he does not have the other attributes of a striker. not even a good first touch! but men lookin at him on Fox and rating him when he scores with headers and think he is this great striker. there are other attributes in the game he needs to work on and badly. he certainly has the age and tools to get to that level but right now he aint no where close. i shudder to think he leaves sunderland and goes to another european league right now...like spain or itlay...they will eat him alive because he stands there waiting for the ball. he has alot of work to do and i hope as a young player he doesnt think like some of you on this site and think to himself he is an elite striker in world football. an elite striker can be pulled from one system into another and fit like a glove....KJ currently cant do that. hence y u see the displays for the national team! :beermug:
I think KJ's recent poor run for the national team is a combination of fatigue, poor form and injury. But he is a very good player albeit with some things to work on. i've seen him live when he is on form and confident and his touch is good, his movement is good and he is a fighter. the guy who got his knee wrecked by David James is who I talking about.
KJ needs a good break..physically and mentally. You'll be surprised how much that will do for him. Poor fella..I think he means so much for his teams..Sunderland and T&T that they take risks on him and dat youth must be does take some serious physical abuse..now he getting de fan abuse. truth is..we should be asking Latas, Maturana, Sbragia etc..why dey trying to squeeze de last pieces out of a physically and mentally broken striker. We doh have anything better at the moement in their estimation. Dread KJ was limping aftre 10 minutes against Mexico and bandage up tight. But I never hear KJ complain, whine, or anything. Seems like a top class pro.
It take Carlos almost 2 years to look like more than an Intercol player in the EPL after his injuries. KJ came back after a long injury layoff and did very well. 10 goals in 29 EPL games is fantastic after surgery. Improvement from last year in many ways..but some parts of his game were stunted as Sunderland was in a relegation dog fight from earlies..so I feel KJ didn't learn more of the finer arts of his trade. It was a case of go in there and be a physical presence and get your head to the ball. Dat is my guess.
De youth eh lazy..but he gone through for the season. He might have a little attitude now too..cuz that business hard dread. Even de faqns who say they love does mash you up. I feel plenty of them fellas does develop a thick skin to protect themselves..not to be arseholes just cuz they feel they reach.
We'll see how we boy look once he get a little rest. T&T needs him at his best. But we can't get the best out of him now..Lewwe not pretend this is the best and only way we ever see KJ play. He's shown great potential and the best is yet to come. In the meantime, we need to have faith in the viable alternatives when men like KJ fall off. Competition for places will make them all better
stay strong KJyes. say shhh. I heard from an informant that he surfs this forum every now and then
I think KJ's recent poor run for the national team is a combination of fatigue, poor form and injury. But he is a very good player albeit with some things to work on. i've seen him live when he is on form and confident and his touch is good, his movement is good and he is a fighter. the guy who got his knee wrecked by David James is who I talking about.
KJ needs a good break..physically and mentally. You'll be surprised how much that will do for him. Poor fella..I think he means so much for his teams..Sunderland and T&T that they take risks on him and dat youth must be does take some serious physical abuse..now he getting de fan abuse. truth is..we should be asking Latas, Maturana, Sbragia etc..why dey trying to squeeze de last pieces out of a physically and mentally broken striker. We doh have anything better at the moement in their estimation. Dread KJ was limping aftre 10 minutes against Mexico and bandage up tight. But I never hear KJ complain, whine, or anything. Seems like a top class pro.
It take Carlos almost 2 years to look like more than an Intercol player in the EPL after his injuries. KJ came back after a long injury layoff and did very well. 10 goals in 29 EPL games is fantastic after surgery. Improvement from last year in many ways..but some parts of his game were stunted as Sunderland was in a relegation dog fight from earlies..so I feel KJ didn't learn more of the finer arts of his trade. It was a case of go in there and be a physical presence and get your head to the ball. Dat is my guess.
De youth eh lazy..but he gone through for the season. He might have a little attitude now too..cuz that business hard dread. Even de faqns who say they love does mash you up. I feel plenty of them fellas does develop a thick skin to protect themselves..not to be arseholes just cuz they feel they reach.
We'll see how we boy look once he get a little rest. T&T needs him at his best. But we can't get the best out of him now..Lewwe not pretend this is the best and only way we ever see KJ play. He's shown great potential and the best is yet to come. In the meantime, we need to have faith in the viable alternatives when men like KJ fall off. Competition for places will make them all better
very well put there FilhoI think KJ's recent poor run for the national team is a combination of fatigue, poor form and injury. But he is a very good player albeit with some things to work on. i've seen him live when he is on form and confident and his touch is good, his movement is good and he is a fighter. the guy who got his knee wrecked by David James is who I talking about.
KJ needs a good break..physically and mentally. You'll be surprised how much that will do for him. Poor fella..I think he means so much for his teams..Sunderland and T&T that they take risks on him and dat youth must be does take some serious physical abuse..now he getting de fan abuse. truth is..we should be asking Latas, Maturana, Sbragia etc..why dey trying to squeeze de last pieces out of a physically and mentally broken striker. We doh have anything better at the moement in their estimation. Dread KJ was limping aftre 10 minutes against Mexico and bandage up tight. But I never hear KJ complain, whine, or anything. Seems like a top class pro.
It take Carlos almost 2 years to look like more than an Intercol player in the EPL after his injuries. KJ came back after a long injury layoff and did very well. 10 goals in 29 EPL games is fantastic after surgery. Improvement from last year in many ways..but some parts of his game were stunted as Sunderland was in a relegation dog fight from earlies..so I feel KJ didn't learn more of the finer arts of his trade. It was a case of go in there and be a physical presence and get your head to the ball. Dat is my guess.
De youth eh lazy..but he gone through for the season. He might have a little attitude now too..cuz that business hard dread. Even de faqns who say they love does mash you up. I feel plenty of them fellas does develop a thick skin to protect themselves..not to be arseholes just cuz they feel they reach.
We'll see how we boy look once he get a little rest. T&T needs him at his best. But we can't get the best out of him now..Lewwe not pretend this is the best and only way we ever see KJ play. He's shown great potential and the best is yet to come. In the meantime, we need to have faith in the viable alternatives when men like KJ fall off. Competition for places will make them all better
I doh know wha de hell does be wrong with some ah allyuh men nah. Who de hell tell you we wanted rationale and logic in dis topic?
yuh really need to watch all the teams before commenting on them horse. Carlton Cole was injured for a period of time during the season as well and sometimes Zola was trying out other strikers so he sat on de bench....i will check and see how much games they both played. you are right, cole cant out jump KJ....but the other attributes cole brings to the table KJ cant....first touch, scoring a wide variety of goals (not primarily headers), passing, movement off d ball, natural strikers instincts etc!!! let me ask you this...if u put KJ as a striker with Barca...arguably the best midfield in d world...yuh think he will score as much goals as Eto? or even half as much? make sure u think carefully before answering! my beef is KJ fits the sunderland system because thats the kinda football they play in england...wing play and cross...so it suits what he does best...jump 9ft and head d ball. however, you pull him out of that system and he looks horrible because he does not have the other attributes of a striker. not even a good first touch! but men lookin at him on Fox and rating him when he scores with headers and think he is this great striker. there are other attributes in the game he needs to work on and badly. he certainly has the age and tools to get to that level but right now he aint no where close. i shudder to think he leaves sunderland and goes to another european league right now...like spain or itlay...they will eat him alive because he stands there waiting for the ball. he has alot of work to do and i hope as a young player he doesnt think like some of you on this site and think to himself he is an elite striker in world football. an elite striker can be pulled from one system into another and fit like a glove....KJ currently cant do that. hence y u see the displays for the national team! :beermug:
yuh really need to watch all the teams before commenting on them horse. Carlton Cole was injured for a period of time during the season as well and sometimes Zola was trying out other strikers so he sat on de bench....i will check and see how much games they both played. you are right, cole cant out jump KJ....but the other attributes cole brings to the table KJ cant....first touch, scoring a wide variety of goals (not primarily headers), passing, movement off d ball, natural strikers instincts etc!!! let me ask you this...if u put KJ as a striker with Barca...arguably the best midfield in d world...yuh think he will score as much goals as Eto? or even half as much? make sure u think carefully before answering! my beef is KJ fits the sunderland system because thats the kinda football they play in england...wing play and cross...so it suits what he does best...jump 9ft and head d ball. however, you pull him out of that system and he looks horrible because he does not have the other attributes of a striker. not even a good first touch! but men lookin at him on Fox and rating him when he scores with headers and think he is this great striker. there are other attributes in the game he needs to work on and badly. he certainly has the age and tools to get to that level but right now he aint no where close. i shudder to think he leaves sunderland and goes to another european league right now...like spain or itlay...they will eat him alive because he stands there waiting for the ball. he has alot of work to do and i hope as a young player he doesnt think like some of you on this site and think to himself he is an elite striker in world football. an elite striker can be pulled from one system into another and fit like a glove....KJ currently cant do that. hence y u see the displays for the national team! :beermug:
While yuh talk some sense here there are many very good and even great (or once viewed as such) strikers/ goal scorers that have went to other leagues/ clubs/ systems and flopped horribly so the idea that a great striker will prosper in any system isn't always accurate. One easy example of this would be Schevchenko who was unstopable at Milan but a total waste for Chelsea. Henry sucked at Juventus, Queresma (more of a winger but still qualifies) who was better than and projected to be what Ronaldo has become has flopped everywhere outside Portugal, Anelka flopped at Madrid & Liverpool, After Barcalona Kluivert flop everywhere else, Owen (who is very good when not injured) sucked at Madrid, Bergkamp sucked at Inter, Berbatov wasn't anything special while on the field at ManUre, Crespo wasn't as good at Chelsea and worse at Milan, and we can go on and on. So to say that KJ can't just fit any system and thus isn't a good striker is rubbish.
While yuh talk some sense here there are many very good and even great (or once viewed as such) strikers/ goal scorers that have went to other leagues/ clubs/ systems and flopped horribly so the idea that a great striker will prosper in any system isn't always accurate. One easy example of this would be Schevchenko who was unstopable at Milan but a total waste for Chelsea. Henry sucked at Juventus, Queresma (more of a winger but still qualifies) who was better than and projected to be what Ronaldo has become has flopped everywhere outside Portugal, Anelka flopped at Madrid & Liverpool, After Barcalona Kluivert flop everywhere else, Owen (who is very good when not injured) sucked at Madrid, Bergkamp sucked at Inter, Berbatov wasn't anything special while on the field at ManUre, Crespo wasn't as good at Chelsea and worse at Milan, and we can go on and on. So to say that KJ can't just fit any system and thus isn't a good striker is rubbish.
if we had someone serving "angus eve-esque" crosses to KJ i can guarantee we wouldnt be last right now...
if we had someone serving "angus eve-esque" crosses to KJ i can guarantee we wouldnt be last right now...
the funny thing is I honestly don't remember KJ scoring all dat many headers last season. I saw a lot of scrap goals and a few 'striker's' finishes in and around the 6 yard box. but i just going off memory. two seasons ago he seemed to use his head alot more.
Horse doh diss Owen in Madrid dred.
The man was actually killing it in Madrid.
Iz that run in Madrid that really made me respect the man.
Class player when fit
TnT fans is jokers.
Last year Kenwyne was the next Drogba and shoulda go Liverpool. When Kev mention that his work off the ball is poor and his game have flaws, men say that Sunderland is a shit side.
Now he have some bad games for TnT and he is a shithound?
QuoteTnT fans is jokers.
Last year Kenwyne was the next Drogba and shoulda go Liverpool. When Kev mention that his work off the ball is poor and his game have flaws, men say that Sunderland is a shit side.
Now he have some bad games for TnT and he is a shithound?
Standard procedure on this forum.
Btw, for all those comparing goal stats have got it all wrong.
Heskey isn't picked for England for his goalscoring prowess as he's not and never has been a prolific goalscorer...He's in there because he's incredibly effective at unsettling defenders with his physical attributes which means more space for other people. I think everyone's noticed that Rooney has had more freedom up front since Heskey was recalled?
And no, Kenwyne Jones wouldn't even get a look in for England. I'd imagine even Darren Bent would be ahead of Jones in the pecking order if Jones was English...
QuoteTnT fans is jokers.
Last year Kenwyne was the next Drogba and shoulda go Liverpool. When Kev mention that his work off the ball is poor and his game have flaws, men say that Sunderland is a shit side.
Now he have some bad games for TnT and he is a shithound?
Standard procedure on this forum.
Btw, for all those comparing goal stats have got it all wrong.
Heskey isn't picked for England for his goalscoring prowess as he's not and never has been a prolific goalscorer...He's in there because he's incredibly effective at unsettling defenders with his physical attributes which means more space for other people. I think everyone's noticed that Rooney has had more freedom up front since Heskey was recalled?
And no, Kenwyne Jones wouldn't even get a look in for England. I'd imagine even Darren Bent would be ahead of Jones in the pecking order if Jones was English...
Dude Kenwyne is bigger and stronger than Heskey and a better finisher (as hard as that may be for some to believe). So if he were English he would be in contention for a spot and with creative forces the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, and Barry + crosses from ah man like Beckham best believe KJ would be deadly for the 3 Lions if.....
He would be playin 4 JAAAAAAAAAAAAA;D
QuoteTnT fans is jokers.
Last year Kenwyne was the next Drogba and shoulda go Liverpool. When Kev mention that his work off the ball is poor and his game have flaws, men say that Sunderland is a shit side.
Now he have some bad games for TnT and he is a shithound?
Standard procedure on this forum.
Btw, for all those comparing goal stats have got it all wrong.
Heskey isn't picked for England for his goalscoring prowess as he's not and never has been a prolific goalscorer...He's in there because he's incredibly effective at unsettling defenders with his physical attributes which means more space for other people. I think everyone's noticed that Rooney has had more freedom up front since Heskey was recalled?
And no, Kenwyne Jones wouldn't even get a look in for England. I'd imagine even Darren Bent would be ahead of Jones in the pecking order if Jones was English...
Dude Kenwyne is bigger and stronger than Heskey and a better finisher (as hard as that may be for some to believe). So if he were English he would be in contention for a spot and with creative forces the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, and Barry + crosses from ah man like Beckham best believe KJ would be deadly for the 3 Lions if.....
QuoteTnT fans is jokers.
Last year Kenwyne was the next Drogba and shoulda go Liverpool. When Kev mention that his work off the ball is poor and his game have flaws, men say that Sunderland is a shit side.
Now he have some bad games for TnT and he is a shithound?
Standard procedure on this forum.
Btw, for all those comparing goal stats have got it all wrong.
Heskey isn't picked for England for his goalscoring prowess as he's not and never has been a prolific goalscorer...He's in there because he's incredibly effective at unsettling defenders with his physical attributes which means more space for other people. I think everyone's noticed that Rooney has had more freedom up front since Heskey was recalled?
And no, Kenwyne Jones wouldn't even get a look in for England. I'd imagine even Darren Bent would be ahead of Jones in the pecking order if Jones was English...
Dude Kenwyne is bigger and stronger than Heskey and a better finisher (as hard as that may be for some to believe). So if he were English he would be in contention for a spot and with creative forces the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, and Barry + crosses from ah man like Beckham best believe KJ would be deadly for the 3 Lions if.....
I'm saying that the two play in the same position but play different roles and thus, you cannot really compare the two.
I really don't understand where this thread is going. Kenwyne Jones isn't English, he'll never be English and he'll never play for England so whats the point? Besides, if we were to judge him on current form, I doubt even Andorra would have him...
Horse doh diss Owen in Madrid dred.
The man was actually killing it in Madrid.
Iz that run in Madrid that really made me respect the man.
Class player when fit
All that sound good but he didn't score enough goals given total appearances compared to back at Liverpool. Everyone seems to evaluate KJs worth as a striker by goals so if that's the measuring stick at the end of the day all the players I listed flopped! If we measuring by skill then I can bring a whole other list of players regarded as far more skilfull that didn't score nearly enough to justify the argument as well.
Dred at real madrid Owen had 18 starts, 13 goals
Daz ridiculous stats
OK I'll conceed that but he had some 30+ appearances (starts included) so in the end the numbers will say he flopped.
QuoteOK I'll conceed that but he had some 30+ appearances (starts included) so in the end the numbers will say he flopped.
Owen scored 16 goals in all competitions during his first and only season at Real Madrid.
Raul scored 13 goals in all competitions during the same season.
So who is the better striker?
Can you see why these threads never accomplish much?
For supposedly big men alyuh real full of shit yes. Alyuh don't have nothing to do? Not one ah alyuh say anything viable or directly related to Jones being the player he is.[/b]
If Jones was English we would have never been "debating him so intensely" ::) as we are. If Jones was English and was on the team he would have still been playing on a bigger shit side who does beat up on smaller teams. They have Wales, Georgia etc, we have Guyana, St. Kitts and Jamaica :devil: of which we does celebrate men when they score against. Alyuh berating players who wasn't around to score a billion goal against grenada and Guadalupe in shell cup and what have you. But, berating the fellas for not scoring against Mexico in the Azteca when you will be hard press to find any T&T player - whether is the so called golden boys back in the haiti debacle days, or the almost Italia strike squad- that used to score against top opponent such as Canada, Mexico, Costa Rica and the USA. Show me differently.
Match Statistics by Opponent
Opponent Played Wins Losses Draws GF GA GD
Antigua and Barbuda 8 7 1 0 31 9 22
Aruba 1 1 0 0 11 0 11
Austria 1 0 1 0 1 4 -3
Azerbaijan 2 2 0 0 3 0 3
Bahrain 2 1 0 1 2 1 1
Barbados 31 22 3 6 81 19 62
Bermuda 9 5 2 2 17 6 11
Botswana 1 0 0 1 0 0 0
Canada 10 2 6 2 12 14 -2
Cayman Islands 3 3 0 0 19 2 17
China 1 0 1 0 0 3 -3
Colombia 3 1 2 0 4 8 -4
Costa Rica 22 3 15 4 15 46 -31
Cuba 14 11 2 1 30 13 17
Czech Republic 1 0 1 0 0 3 -3
Dominica 2 2 0 0 13 0 13
Dominican Republic 8 8 0 0 38 1 37
Egypt 1 0 1 0 1 2 -1
El Salvador 9 3 3 3 11 10 1
England 2 0 2 0 0 5 -5
Finland 5 2 2 1 7 6 1
French Guiana 2 2 0 0 4 1 3
Grenada 13 10 3 0 35 14 21
Guadeloupe 9 5 1 3 11 7 4
Guatemala 20 6 8 6 23 34 -11
Guyana 35 22 6 7 57 22 35
Haiti 28 13 13 2 44 46 -2
Honduras 14 2 6 6 14 20 -6
Iceland 1 1 0 0 2 0 2
Iraq 1 1 0 0 2 0 2
Ireland 1 1 0 0 2 1 1
Jamaica 59 25 24 10 77 72 5
Japan 1 0 1 0 0 2 -2
Kenya 1 0 0 1 1 1 0
Kuwait 1 0 1 0 1 1 0
Martinique 14 6 8 0 28 25 3
Mexico 16 3 11 2 12 38 -26
Morocco 2 0 2 0 0 3 -3
Netherlands Antilles 12 8 1 3 27 8 19
Nicaragua 1 1 0 0 3 1 2
Northern Ireland 1 0 1 0 0 3 -3
Norway 1 1 0 0 3 2 1
Panama 12 7 2 3 20 8 12
Paraguay 3 0 1 2 3 5 -2
Peru 2 1 0 1 3 2 1
Puerto Rico 5 4 0 1 28 4 24
Russian Federation 1 0 1 0 0 2 -2
Saudi Arabia 3 0 3 0 3 6 -3
Scotland 1 0 1 0 1 4 -3
Slovenia 1 0 1 0 1 3 -2
South Africa 2 1 1 0 3 2 1
South Korea 1 0 0 1 1 1 0
St. Kitts and Nevis 12 10 2 0 33 13 20
St. Lucia 4 1 2 1 7 4 3
St. Vincent and the Grenadines 13 8 3 2 30 12 18
Suriname 27 10 8 9 50 48 2
Sweden 2 0 1 1 0 5 -5
Taiwan 1 0 1 0 0 1 -1
Thailand 1 0 1 0 2 3 -1
United States 21 3 15 3 11 32 -21
Venezuela 5 0 2 3 2 6 -4
Virgin Islands (British) 2 2 0 0 6 0 6
Wales 1 0 1 0 1 2 -1
All this talk about scoring goals, have a look. We does score against Barbados and Guyana. All these great goal scorers you all putting down One s for eh have a claim if you put things into perspective. Grow up.
KJ need to play with a striker and a coach he can learn from.
He has not improved since he moved to Sunderland.
Oh yeh, fork England.
Dred at real madrid Owen had 18 starts, 13 goals
Daz ridiculous stats
OK I'll conceed that but he had some 30+ appearances (starts included) so in the end the numbers will say he flopped. Men basing KJs quality on numbers no?
Jai KJ does work harder than any forward that wears the RWB and if anyone say no they either don't really watch the games or fooling themselves. He is the only ST that runs after defenses. Stern doesn't, Scotty doesn't, Glen doesn't and the others haven't been seen enough to know if they will consistently chase after defenders trying to knock the ball around in their half. Heskey is a workhorse I will admit which is why I like him as a player but I think KJ has it in him. Remember Heskey works hard as does Rooney so the comparison when you factor in who KJ is partnered with will always be in favor of Heskey/ Rooney.
Filho the overall numbers will show that based on total appearances he did not measure up to his Liverpool stats. It's purely numbers and not subjective so unless you want to change the numbers apps v starts is absolutely irrelivant. The numbers are there for all to see. We constantly measure KJ by the lack of production in our team and sometimes even for Sunderland but when you use just numbers only you'll find that our argument about his quality is grossly exagerated and out of context (similar to the Owen comparison)
KJ need to play with a striker and a coach he can learn from.
He has not improved since he moved to Sunderland.
Oh yeh, fork England.
Not true at all. He looked very good under Keane in the first year and showed some promise when he returned from injury. Sbragia helped him regress to some extent once he took over.
KJ need to play with a striker and a coach he can learn from.
He has not improved since he moved to Sunderland.
Oh yeh, fork England.
Not true at all. He looked very good under Keane in the first year and showed some promise when he returned from injury. Sbragia helped him regress to some extent once he took over.
He looked even better for Southampton.
He would be playin 4 JAAAAAAAAAAAAA;D
wha happen ya had? (http://www.opednews.com/populum/uploaded/flyingpig-2795-20090429-370.gif)
KJ need to play with a striker and a coach he can learn from.
He has not improved since he moved to Sunderland.
Oh yeh, fork England.
Not true at all. He looked very good under Keane in the first year and showed some promise when he returned from injury. Sbragia helped him regress to some extent once he took over.
He looked even better for Southampton.
I doh think so especially considering the tougher competion in the Prem, but we don't all see the same things.
Filho the Owen point is not a true representation of my personal feelings. It is an exagerated look at numbers which is what is often done when critiquing KJ. Nowhere in most criticisms is there any mention of the type of competition he faces, the fact that he's often double teamed and of course the lack of quality service. Believe me we share similar perspectives somewhat.
Given his recent form and should he maintain his scoring touch do you think we would see Mr. Jones being picked up by a team in the EPL this season?
Given his recent form and should he maintain his scoring touch do you think we would see Mr. Jones being picked up by a team in the EPL this season?
Why bounce around? Achieving consistency where he is could prove more beneficial in the medium to long-term.