I find Tommy Smith far more annoying than the vuvuzela ;D
I find Tommy Smith far more annoying than the vuvuzela ;D
COSIGN lol
Azteca using that for years
Azteca using that for years
Azteca using that for years
EXACTLY!! Including during the World Cup held there in 1986
I find Tommy Smith far more annoying than the vuvuzela ;D
COSIGN lol
Co-Cosign! :rotfl:
I find Tommy Smith far more annoying than the vuvuzela ;D
Azteca using that for years
EXACTLY!! Including during the World Cup held there in 1986
Ah ha!!...I thought it sounded very familiar....they was playing the blasted thing just the other day in our WCQ game....steups...
In the beginning I found it a bit unusual, but I've gotten used to it...It's like white noise (pardon the pun) to me now when I watch the games
It's also not the first time that such a horn-type sound is pervasive in football so I'm kinda surprised that it's only just becoming a big deal (actually not that surprised :D )
Humans have the ability to adapt... Some people just don't have the patience to let that adaptability do it's thing. So far I'm with Blatter- It's South Africa- that's their culture, let's deal with it (of course I'm commenting from the couch)...
If teams could adpat to high altitude in Mexico, Freezing temperatures in Russia, and the extreme heat/humidity of WC Korea 2002, what the heck is a vuvuzela?
Actually, I've heard it's less annoying in person. Apparently there's a rhythm to it that doesn't come across over the air. Different sections have different rhythms, so when you dey all you hearing is de rhythm in your own section. Over the air, it's like all rhythms combined into one noise.In the beginning I found it a bit unusual, but I've gotten used to it...It's like white noise (pardon the pun) to me now when I watch the games
It's also not the first time that such a horn-type sound is pervasive in football so I'm kinda surprised that it's only just becoming a big deal (actually not that surprised :D )
Humans have the ability to adapt... Some people just don't have the patience to let that adaptability do it's thing. So far I'm with Blatter- It's South Africa- that's their culture, let's deal with it (of course I'm commenting from the couch)...
If teams could adpat to high altitude in Mexico, Freezing temperatures in Russia, and the extreme heat/humidity of WC Korea 2002, what the heck is a vuvuzela?
I feel similarly. I haven’t watched many games but the few I did watch I didn’t really notice a problem. It is only when people starting writing about it on the internet that I become conscious of it.
It is a constant drone, the only thing it blocking out is the actual on-field noise which is usually hard to hear anyway. I find the TV viewers complaining about it have nothing better to do.
Now the people watching the game in person would be a different story. I sure they getting real pressure.
i will admit it's disrespectful to be blowing them during national anthems.
I would be pissed if i hear that in the background of T&T's anthem.
i will admit it's disrespectful to be blowing them during national anthems.
I would be pissed if i hear that in the background of T&T's anthem.
What if they played our anthem with it...
It should definitely be banned.
It's not like riddim section we'se have here in the Caribbean which adds to the atmophere. Them tings jus plain annoying.
It's not even like they blow them when something of significance happens in the game - it's constant and incessant throughout. There's no way they could regulate ppl to only blow dem at certain times either.
If those tings are allowed to remain they would take away from the WC for sure - like a damn bee buzzin in ur ears for an entire match - da eh sumtin anyone should get used to, nor do I see how it's a cultural heritage or necessity seeing as it only became popular in the 90's & began being mass produced in 2001. It's also supposed to mimic the sound of an elephant (which it clearly doesn't).
This is a World Cup for the World and the Players - if there's a genuine and large outcry towards these instruments (whose value is wholly debateable) - I don't see how they can't at least seriously consider certain measures towards it.
It should definitely be banned.
It's not like riddim section we'se have here in the Caribbean which adds to the atmophere. Them tings jus plain annoying.
It's not even like they blow them when something of significance happens in the game - it's constant and incessant throughout. There's no way they could regulate ppl to only blow dem at certain times either.
If those tings are allowed to remain they would take away from the WC for sure - like a damn bee buzzin in ur ears for an entire match - da eh sumtin anyone should get used to, nor do I see how it's a cultural heritage or necessity seeing as it only became popular in the 90's & began being mass produced in 2001. It's also supposed to mimic the sound of an elephant (which it clearly doesn't).
This is a World Cup for the World and the Players - if there's a genuine and large outcry towards these instruments (whose value is wholly debateable) - I don't see how they can't at least seriously consider certain measures towards it.
It should definitely be banned.And this is the problem right here. People thinking that their experiences and their cultural expressions are the only valid ones.
It's not like riddim section we'se have here in the Caribbean which adds to the atmophere.
It should definitely be banned.And this is the problem right here. People thinking that their experiences and their cultural expressions are the only valid ones.
It's not like riddim section we'se have here in the Caribbean which adds to the atmophere.
I can assure you that our riddim section that "adds to the atmosphere" is just as much of a nuisance to many many people. All they hear is ol' noise just like all you hear in South Africa is buzzing.
Some people think "atmosphere" is just singing songs. Some people find that boring. Some people think "atmosphere" is a man on a loudspeaker. Some people wish he would hush he ass.
I guarantee yuh if dis was part of European culture and the World (and Confederation) Cup was in Europe, 3/4 of the people whining now wouldn't be saying boo. Is them Africans, though, so...
It should definitely be banned.And this is the problem right here. People thinking that their experiences and their cultural expressions are the only valid ones.
It's not like riddim section we'se have here in the Caribbean which adds to the atmophere.
I can assure you that our riddim section that "adds to the atmosphere" is just as much of a nuisance to many many people. All they hear is ol' noise just like all you hear in South Africa is buzzing.
Some people think "atmosphere" is just singing songs. Some people find that boring. Some people think "atmosphere" is a man on a loudspeaker. Some people wish he would hush he ass.
I guarantee yuh if dis was part of European culture and the World (and Confederation) Cup was in Europe, 3/4 of the people whining now wouldn't be saying boo. Is them Africans, though, so...
Doh study dem orange fellas dey shoppin 4 an excuse for their failure in 2010.
I can assure you that our riddim section that "adds to the atmosphere" is just as much of a nuisance to many many people. All they hear is ol' noise just like all you hear in South Africa is buzzing.
It should definitely be banned.And this is the problem right here. People thinking that their experiences and their cultural expressions are the only valid ones.
It's not like riddim section we'se have here in the Caribbean which adds to the atmophere.
I can assure you that our riddim section that "adds to the atmosphere" is just as much of a nuisance to many many people. All they hear is ol' noise just like all you hear in South Africa is buzzing.
Some people think "atmosphere" is just singing songs. Some people find that boring. Some people think "atmosphere" is a man on a loudspeaker. Some people wish he would hush he ass.
I guarantee yuh if dis was part of European culture and the World (and Confederation) Cup was in Europe, 3/4 of the people whining now wouldn't be saying boo. Is them Africans, though, so...
:applause: :applause: :beermug:Doh study dem orange fellas dey shoppin 4 an excuse for their failure in 2010.
Girl, imagine is mih team coach talking this shyte...steups...dey better play ball and doh get mih vex next year nah... ;D
Yeah supposedly: "Adding to the appeal is African folklore that "A baboon is killed by a lot of noise." During the last quarter of a match, supporters blow vuvuzelas frantically in an attempt to "kill off" their opponents."
So there's the psyching out aspect of it. Would really need to hear a proper explanation from a real Bafana Bafana to put tings into perspective yes.
Yeah supposedly: "Adding to the appeal is African folklore that "A baboon is killed by a lot of noise." During the last quarter of a match, supporters blow vuvuzelas frantically in an attempt to "kill off" their opponents."
So there's the psyching out aspect of it. Would really need to hear a proper explanation from a real Bafana Bafana to put tings into perspective yes.
Yuh trying real hard..... ::) ::)
Yeah supposedly: "Adding to the appeal is African folklore that "A baboon is killed by a lot of noise." During the last quarter of a match, supporters blow vuvuzelas frantically in an attempt to "kill off" their opponents."
So there's the psyching out aspect of it. Would really need to hear a proper explanation from a real Bafana Bafana to put tings into perspective yes.
Yeah supposedly: "Adding to the appeal is African folklore that "A baboon is killed by a lot of noise." During the last quarter of a match, supporters blow vuvuzelas frantically in an attempt to "kill off" their opponents."
So there's the psyching out aspect of it. Would really need to hear a proper explanation from a real Bafana Bafana to put tings into perspective yes.
you watch Blood Diamond one too many times.
Yeah supposedly: "Adding to the appeal is African folklore that "A baboon is killed by a lot of noise." During the last quarter of a match, supporters blow vuvuzelas frantically in an attempt to "kill off" their opponents."
So there's the psyching out aspect of it. Would really need to hear a proper explanation from a real Bafana Bafana to put tings into perspective yes.
you watch Blood Diamond one too many times.
Hos, dat is a direct quote from Wikipedia - not like I making that up. That is the explanation for it's use - aside from it's derivation from a horn that used to be used to call people to meeting.
'Blood Diamond' also has nuttin to do wit South Africa - jus to let u know haha.
Hos, dat is a direct quote from Wikipedia - not like I making that up.
There is not one way to support your team. We accustom watching Euro games with the home crowd with their rehearsed ricitals. Well, good for them. But other cultures have different ways of showing support. Some people here showing bias to the Euros. I hope the SAs don't capitulate to the Euro demands, just as the WI did with the WC cricket as someone has mentioned.
Reporting from Johannesburg, South Africa -- As South Africa gears up to host next year's soccer World Cup, there are plenty of doomsayers predicting the worst. If transportation shortagesdon't ruin the event, crime will. The beer will run out. Or the stadiums will be half empty.
But no one expected an ugly plastic trumpet to dominate the controversy.
Hatred of the vuvuzela, the noisemaker wielded by South African soccer fans, ignited the blogosphere even before the FIFA Confederations Cup, the country's dry run for 2010, which ends today when the U.S. national team plays Brazil for the championship.
During the current tournament, foreign players, coaches and journalists have called for a ban of the vuvuzela. There is debate about whether it's a unique part of South African culture, and therefore untouchable, or just a cheap plastic import that makes a lot of noise, like an electric air horn or a whistle.
One vuvuzela -- a loud, tuneless blast -- sounds something like a foghorn. But a stadium full of vuvuzelas, all tooting simultaneously, is either the most exhilarating and exciting sound or a noise so irritating it borders on painful, depending on the listener.
It's been compared to a deafening swarm of wasps. Or a herd of flatulent elephants.
The vuvuzela ranges in length from about 2 to 3 feet. The longer it is, the harder it is to blow.
Video clips of groups playing the vuvuzela like a melodic instrument can be found on YouTube. But a more accurate sound clip is found on the website www.boogieblast.co.za "> www.boogieblast.co.za , which claims to be the trumpet's original distributor.
Boogieblast's sales pitch: "Remember . . . you only hate them if you don't have one."
Mike Greenberg from the ESPN radio sports show "Mike and Mike" is one of the vuvuzela's loudest detractors. He said the sound at a recent match was "excruciating."
"It never ends," Greenberg said on the air. "And it is like you are being attacked by a swarm of locusts for 90 consecutive minutes."
"I know what you're talking about," said co-host Mike Golic. "How can they constantly do that?"
Spanish soccer player Xabi Alonso called for a ban of vuvuzelas at the 2010 World Cup, according to South African newspaper The Times. So did Dutch Coach Bert Van Marwijk, Reuters reported.
Joseph "Sepp" Blatter, head of FIFA, the international soccer association that runs the World Cup, said recently there were no plans to ban the trumpet during the 2010 tournament.
A sports journalist with South Africa's Times, Bareng-Batho Kortjaas, said critics of the vuvuzela should watch the matches on television.
"The irony of it all is that most of those denouncing the vuvuzela's democratic right to be blown are part-time football fans who, under normal circumstances, avoid setting foot anywhere near a soccer match because it is 'too dangerous,' " he wrote recently.
Local soccer in South Africa is perceived largely as a "black" game, attracting mainly black supporters, whereas rugby crowds are overwhelmingly white.
Philip Kalinko, manager of PerkalGifts, a vuvuzela distributor in Johannesburg, said South Africans have been disagreeing for years about the noisemaker.
"For everyone who loves it, there's another person who says it should be banned," he said. "I sit there and watch the football on TV, and I don't even hear the vuvuzelas. My wife sits next to me, and she can't bear to listen to the sound of the vuvuzelas."
There is not even agreement on the origins of the instrument or the meaning of its name.
The International Marketing Council of South Africa says the vuvuzela reportedly originated in the kudu horns used to summon villagers in old times. But Boogieblast claims the trumpets were imported as plastic toys from the U.S. and did not sell -- until soccer fans started using them about a decade ago.
According to the marketing council, a survey last year by research company African Response showed that 71% of South Africans think vuvuzelas will add to the atmosphere at World Cup matches.
The Confederations Cup seems to have created international interest in the trumpet: Kalinko said PerkalGifts had almost no foreign orders until a few weeks ago. In the last three weeks it has sent thousands to countries such as the Netherlands, Turkey, Austria, Britain and Ireland, usually ordered in each country's team colors, he said.
Blasting the plastic horns takes practice. "They're not easy to blow. You have to blow very hard. You've got to fill your lips up with air and blow, as hard as you can," said Kalinko. "Not everybody can do it. We've had a couple of people bringing them back saying, 'It doesn't work.' "
Shadrack Mohsen, 16, a soccer fan who's been blowing vuvuzelas since he was about 10, said banning them in South Africa would be like banning cheering in other countries.
"It's like a tradition for us to play the vuvuzela at our soccer matches when we are singing our songs," Shadrack said. "We're doing things with the vuvuzelas, like pointing them at the players."
A ban, he said, "obviously wouldn't work. People would take their vuvuzelas along anyway, because they're used to them."
LMAO!! ;D ;D ;D :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Dey need tuh ban it oui-all yuh didn't see dem American supports blowin dem when USA was playin Australia. Next ting yuh know dey bring it back tuh the states and call it dey own. The sound of that ting is like a hive of bees stuck in the speaker!
everybody blwoing dat ting...any camera shot of de fans u seeing man from all countries blowin it. i wonder how a vuvuzela, bottle and spoon riddim section would sound boy
Vuvuzela soundin' arrite man...but the soldier blowing one in the street dis morning coulda get a dose...
Iz pure horn at a consistent decibel from start tuh finish- That I have a problem with.
Iz pure horn at a consistent decibel from start tuh finish- That I have a problem with.
Is only ah horn if yuh take it orn.
I find Tommy Smith far more annoying than the vuvuzela ;D
If it hard tuh take watchin on Tv ah wonder how it is tuh be sittin in the stands and jus surrounded by dat sound. Ah also watin tuh hear about the first setta blows tuh pass because a spectator geh annoyed by someone blowin one of dem.
Iz pure horn at a consistent decibel from start tuh finish- That I have a problem with.
Is only ah horn if yuh take it orn.
I doh know, but for me, when ah hear that sound, I just associate it with the South African world cup experience, i get used to it...if they take it away, watching the WC in SA would feel strange and different...just my take.
Big Up!
That thing downright annoying. Get rid of that...I want to hear the commentary and hear the roar of the crowd.
That thing downright annoying. Get rid of that...I want to hear the commentary and hear the roar of the crowd.
The crowd have no time to roar when they all blowing!! :devil:
The only way this vuvuzela craze is going to die out for this SA World Cup is if hives of killer bees swarm down and sting everyone who blowing it and scientist then state that blowing the vuvuzela is a direct signal to killer bees to come and attack you for pretending to be one of them and threatening their esteemed position in the insect world! :D :party:
Yeah I was one who was all for it. But nah dem thing noisy no arse!!!....but ah feel FIFA eh goh want to touch this one, so folks enjoy....it real killing the atmosphere for true. Imagine watching one of these games years down the road, all you would hear is this mindless noise......
We need them Vuvuzelas in T&T.
We have the opposite problem. No noise. Since we play shyte anyway it will mostly affect visiting teams, throw dem off
Bring the Vuvuzelas here
I'm not buying the cultural aspect of this controversy... it's not like these are indigenous instruments dating back to pre-colonial times, they probably import these shits at 25 cents a dozen from China and there is very little art or appeal to them. Trivializing the controversy here fails to take into account that for all the talk FIFA is driven by fan and corporate support. During the opening game it was so loud that it was difficult at first to hear Martin Tyler and Efan Ekoku during the pre-game ceremonies, and got only marginally better from there on. I can't even imagine what it's like to sit thru that live and in person. It's great that we want South Africans to enjoy themselves but had this been a European country I doubt there would be as much sympathy. If broadcasters and fans are complaining then FIFA has every right to re-visit the issue.
When are they going to ban RACIST chants! ::)
Big Up!
adapt or go home!
When are they going to ban RACIST chants! ::)
Big Up!
adapt or go home!
:beermug:When are they going to ban RACIST chants! ::)
Big Up!
WELL SAIDDDDDDDD
http://vuvuzela.ytmnd.com/
you can get rid of the Vuvuzela noise if you have digital equalizer...Just set up a band-stop filter at 233Hz (with secondaries at 466Hz, 932 Hz and 1864Hz)...
details & Logic set-up (in German) : http://www.surfpoeten.de/tube/
you can get rid of the Vuvuzela noise if you have digital equalizer...Just set up a band-stop filter at 233Hz (with secondaries at 466Hz, 932 Hz and 1864Hz)...
details & Logic set-up (in German) : http://www.surfpoeten.de/tube/
allyuh RPI men eh easy at all nah...
how to drown out Alexi Lalas?
you can get rid of the Vuvuzela noise if you have digital equalizer...Just set up a band-stop filter at 233Hz (with secondaries at 466Hz, 932 Hz and 1864Hz)...
details & Logic set-up (in German) : http://www.surfpoeten.de/tube/
allyuh RPI men eh easy at all nah...
how to drown out Alexi Lalas?
adapt or go home!
:beermug:When are they going to ban RACIST chants! ::)
Big Up!
WELL SAIDDDDDDDD
VERY WELL SAID. All who doh like it could watch american sports...nice, quiet, boring and intermittent chants of "DE-FENSE!!" (how exciting!)....and the commentary on the television comin' through loud and clear. When the WC was played in Argentina in '78 the players had to play thorugh constant streams of confettie, toilet paper and damned near as much noise.......nobody complained.
Allyuh just doh understand how to use de vuvuzelas nah. Look a tutorial.
(http://i.imgur.com/TMRvl.png)
adapt or go home!
:beermug:When are they going to ban RACIST chants! ::)
Big Up!
WELL SAIDDDDDDDD
VERY WELL SAID. All who doh like it could watch american sports...nice, quiet, boring and intermittent chants of "DE-FENSE!!" (how exciting!)....and the commentary on the television comin' through loud and clear. When the WC was played in Argentina in '78 the players had to play thorugh constant streams of confettie, toilet paper and damned near as much noise.......nobody complained.
You could try and stop materials from comin into a match - you cah stop a man mouth from comin in.
The vuvuzuelas have very little redeeming qualities if any - people enitled to their opinion - and that opinion seems to be in the majority. On both the Fan AND Player side.
So if the FANS are against it...um who is it that is blowin them at the games? al qaeda?
Big Up!
adapt or go home!
:beermug:When are they going to ban RACIST chants! ::)
Big Up!
WELL SAIDDDDDDDD
VERY WELL SAID. All who doh like it could watch american sports...nice, quiet, boring and intermittent chants of "DE-FENSE!!" (how exciting!)....and the commentary on the television comin' through loud and clear. When the WC was played in Argentina in '78 the players had to play thorugh constant streams of confettie, toilet paper and damned near as much noise.......nobody complained.
You could try and stop materials from comin into a match - you cah stop a man mouth from comin in.
The vuvuzuelas have very little redeeming qualities if any - people enitled to their opinion - and that opinion seems to be in the majority. On both the Fan AND Player side.
So if the FANS are against it...um who is it that is blowin them at the games? al qaeda?
Big Up!
adapt or go home!
:beermug:When are they going to ban RACIST chants! ::)
Big Up!
WELL SAIDDDDDDDD
VERY WELL SAID. All who doh like it could watch american sports...nice, quiet, boring and intermittent chants of "DE-FENSE!!" (how exciting!)....and the commentary on the television comin' through loud and clear. When the WC was played in Argentina in '78 the players had to play thorugh constant streams of confettie, toilet paper and damned near as much noise.......nobody complained.
You could try and stop materials from comin into a match - you cah stop a man mouth from comin in.
The vuvuzuelas have very little redeeming qualities if any - people enitled to their opinion - and that opinion seems to be in the majority. On both the Fan AND Player side.
....so you and which three armies was going to try and stop them South African fans (along with how many other visiting fans from other countries) from bringing their vuvuzelas to the matches, Jed? Allyuh good oui! There was NO attempt made to stop the Argentinian fans from bringing in their toilet paper and confetti, unless they hid them in their mouths, and any footage of the Final in '78 will give you an idea of what the fields looked like.
The vuvuzelas are here to stay so get over it already!
As far as I am concerned, the television production crews are doing a great job in making the broadcasters be heard above the drone of the vuvuzelas, so I ain't gonna be one of them people that are sitting at home watching it on television, and pretending to make them an issue just so I could jump on the bandwagon of complainers. Nor am I in the stands to experience the true atmosphere of the game and their effect. In fact, for every goal that has been scored in this WC, I have been able to hear the crowds' reactions above the drone.
The company that feeds the picture and sound of the World Cup to subscribers around the world, Host Broadcast Services, said Tuesday that it had doubled the audio filters in order to cut down on the whining rasp of the vuvuzelas.
Zeppo I see you like this topic. What is your view on it ?
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I have actually become conditioned to the sound-I just think of it as crowd noise. It will also be one of the most memorable and distinctive things about this World Cup.yes. That and shitty play.
....so you and which three armies was going to try and stop them South African fans (along with how many other visiting fans from other countries) from bringing their vuvuzelas to the matches, Jed? Allyuh good oui! There was NO attempt made to stop the Argentinian fans from bringing in their toilet paper and confetti, unless they hid them in their mouths, and any footage of the Final in '78 will give you an idea of what the fields looked like.
33 years ago the World Cup also wasn't broadcast live... and even then was broadcast to only a few countries around the world... most people saw tape-delays. A lot has changed in the last 33 years to the point that the players made it a point to step on two balloons on the field during the France-Uruguay (I think it was) match last weekend. Toilet paper wouldn't be tolerated today so I'm not sure what your point is.
I dunno what shit you talkin' about live broadcast vs tape-delay and all that. The PLAYERS had to play with streams of confetti and toilet paper cascading onto the playing area up to the final game between Argentina and Holland, which is far more of a distraction to the PLAYERS than vuvuzelas in the stadium today. No coach or player BACK THEN made it an issue to publicize any issues with it like evra and whatever coaches did now.QuoteThe vuvuzelas are here to stay so get over it already!
As far as I am concerned, the television production crews are doing a great job in making the broadcasters be heard above the drone of the vuvuzelas, so I ain't gonna be one of them people that are sitting at home watching it on television, and pretending to make them an issue just so I could jump on the bandwagon of complainers. Nor am I in the stands to experience the true atmosphere of the game and their effect. In fact, for every goal that has been scored in this WC, I have been able to hear the crowds' reactions above the drone.
You talking shit with that "pretending to make them an issue" to be on bandwagon talk. if you are hearing the broadcasts above the drone it's not because people making too much of the noise, but precisely because the company broadcasting the feed has finally heard enough complaints and has decided to do something about it (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/16/sports/soccer/16vecsey.html?ref=soccer).QuoteThe company that feeds the picture and sound of the World Cup to subscribers around the world, Host Broadcast Services, said Tuesday that it had doubled the audio filters in order to cut down on the whining rasp of the vuvuzelas.
Asshole, I talkin' about waggonists on this forum that I know are getting the same feed that I am and nothing has changed on ESPN OR on Univision. The sounds of the vuvuzelas coming through during the games now are at the same levels they were during the RSA-Mexico game. ESPN is responsible for doing it's sound production of its broadcast, not some third party....unless, you know for a fact, mister audio technician, that espn is incapable of taking a feed of "the sounds of the World cup" i.e. live play and stadium noise, from a third party and mixing it and re-distributing that at levels that would hinder its broadcast from the booth from being heard properly by its subscribers, i.e. people like you and Joe Schmoe, over here in the usa (and everybody else that is complaining about the "noise"). I guess until that so-called third party of yours had put in them additional fliters you speak about, john harkes and martin tyler and them must have had to have been SCREAMING into their microphones in order for you and Joe Schmoe to hear the broadcast.
So you could thank that "bandwagon of complainers" that now you could better hear the broadcast.
Mango just because players didn't complain about distractions in WC '78, doh mean that they don't have the right to voice a complaint about whatever they feel like today... If in this day and age, a man give yuh a 1978 heavy leather boots instead of the latest and greatest footwear of the modern era, a sweat collectin' juzzy instead of a dry fit, and a bamsee biting shorts, and tell yuh take that cause dais what we used tuh wear back in the day and nobody used tuh say nuttin'..... how it go look? Times change, people change, demands change, some things we took forgranted back then we don't anymore today that's life...how yuh go decide what's good for everybody else based on what was the status quo over 30 years ago?
Kicker, all dem ting you referenced there are things that were part and parcel of the actual playing of the game itself and would have affected players all around the world, whether they made it to Argentina or not. The atmosphere in Argentina is the best one I could use because it is similar to the vuvzelas in that it is a "distraction" not part and parcel of the actual universal experience of playing of the game itself. It was an atmosphere that would have been something new to most of the players, if not all, except for the Argentinians.
And btw, I doubt that back in 1978 we were privy to as much as we are today by way of news and inside scoop... so the claim that players took no issue with confetti and TP on the field in itself might be ole talk.
That is why I said "publicly". Times may have changed, but The World Cup has always been among the biggest sporting events in the world. What hasn't changed is, that if something related to the event is newsworthy now, it was newsworthy back then, too. Even in this day and age, that atmosphere is still prevalent in Argentinian football and damned near unique to it. Holland lost and took their loss. No complaints.....public ones, and I doubt seriously that all the research in the world is going to come up with any. Brazil was sent home and all the talk behind the scenes and publicly was about a Peruvian sellout to Argentina.
People saying "if dey did win they wouldn't have complained"... of course not, that's obvious....yuh win, yuh win...yuh have other tings tuh study, smallees tuh pips, champagne tuh pop- who wins a game and complains about what went wrong?
I cyah make up my mind on the vuvuzela...on one hand yuh hadda be somewhat willing to adapt to a different environment, and on the other hand the constant drone of dem horns real monotonous dread.... but if as touches say, the vuvus and dem giving man & woman in the crowd a nice lil rhythm to jam with (that just not coming across on TV), then so be it...End of the day the playing field is even- i.e. everybody dealing with it the same way...
and as a fan, if yuh really love football, a vuvuzela eh preventing yuh from enjoying the cup.
That is exactly what some of us are saying. None of us watching it on television, especially ESPN with their somehow newly enhanced filters, according to THE resident sound tech, are going to somehow unusually refrain from celebrating like we normally do if our respective teams score a goal or ress a beat or play some nice football and hit a post or a crossbar. Men that being so vociferous in their issue with the instrument, simply lookin' for something to complain about. My opinion and my opinion only.
I dunno what shit you talkin' about live broadcast vs tape-delay and all that. The PLAYERS had to play with streams of confetti and toilet paper cascading onto the playing area up to the final game between Argentina and Holland, which is far more of a distraction to the PLAYERS than vuvuzelas in the stadium today. No coach or player BACK THEN made it an issue to publicize any issues with it like evra and whatever coaches did now.
The vuvuzelas are here to stay so get over it already!
As far as I am concerned, the television production crews are doing a great job in making the broadcasters be heard above the drone of the vuvuzelas, so I ain't gonna be one of them people that are sitting at home watching it on television, and pretending to make them an issue just so I could jump on the bandwagon of complainers. Nor am I in the stands to experience the true atmosphere of the game and their effect. In fact, for every goal that has been scored in this WC, I have been able to hear the crowds' reactions above the drone.
ESPN is responsible for doing it's sound production of its broadcast, not some third party....unless, you know for a fact, mister audio technician, that espn is incapable of taking a feed of "the sounds of the World cup" i.e. live play and stadium noise, from a third party and mixing it and re-distributing that at levels that would hinder its broadcast from the booth from being heard properly by its subscribers, i.e. people like you and Joe Schmoe, over here in the usa (and everybody else that is complaining about the "noise"). I guess until that so-called third party of yours had put in them additional fliters you speak about, john harkes and martin tyler and them must have had to have been SCREAMING into their microphones in order for you and Joe Schmoe to hear the broadcast.
*******You so smart until you outsmart yuh own self. I now read the article you referenced.....according to it, your source, ESPN to proactive steps to filter out the vuvuzelas and never lobbied FIFA to ban them because they didn't have to. Their experience with nascar and the nba gave them the expertise to properly transmit an event to its subscribers without interference from the noise of the event itself. In other words, they had already taken steps to make sure the broadcast was not compromised from the word go. That is my original point. So I eh have to thank shit for no "better" broadcast. As I said, it was good enough from the onset. It never got "better" ******
All i have to say is...I see lots of shots of fans in the stadiums, and a lot without the Vs and they ent look like it bothering them one bit...man I am sure if it was that annoying, all them big time dignitaries (sp) (ah too lazy to make sure ah spell it right lol) woulda fine ah way to stop it by now.
Ah wonder if 50% ah trinis (dat includes bagos too) use to go to games with ah counch shell and blow, how would that affect the game and would you agree to a ban on them?
Big Up!
I dunno what shit you talkin' about live broadcast vs tape-delay and all that. The PLAYERS had to play with streams of confetti and toilet paper cascading onto the playing area up to the final game between Argentina and Holland, which is far more of a distraction to the PLAYERS than vuvuzelas in the stadium today. No coach or player BACK THEN made it an issue to publicize any issues with it like evra and whatever coaches did now.
Tuntunhole... the point of the matter is that you can't compare what took place 30 years ago and say if it was good enough then it should be good enough now. The point about the tape delays... since it obviously went over your head... is that unlike then, now there are millions of dollars tied up in World Cup broadcasting. So all ah dat confetti and toilet paper yuh trumpeting wouldn't pass muster today because broadcasters who have invested millions wouldn't stand for it. Back then not too many people watched the World Cup on TV, and whomever was lucky enough to see it on TV wouldn't mind the confetti and toilet paper. To use that as a baseline undermines your analogy because today the viewing dynamics have changed as have the stake involved. Given your obvious cognitive deficiencies I won't be surprised if all of that still ends up lost on you.
Boy, if there's a bigger c**t than you in the world it must either be in a museum or buried, undiscovered, under millions of years of sedimentary rock in the Caucus mountains somewhere. I am obviously referring to the so-called players' and coaches' complaints about the vuvzelas separate from the complaints of armchair assholes like yourself.....but I guess for all the talk of points going over people's heads, with your head being so far up your own ass (or maybe some other guy's own) you can't tell what's going over or under your own damned head. The complaints that are coming from the area of the pitch, i.e. the players and/or the coaches, like patrice evra and the dutch coach, have nothing to do with tape delay or broadcast and "viewing dynamics" yuh c**t! Their experiences with the stadium atmosphere can only come from the perspective of playing and communicating on the field of play. WTF you goin' on about broadcast for??
Furthermore, if Argentina were to host a WC in the near future, the atmosphere would be the same, just as it is in their domestic league. However, I guess the advertisers for those games don't mind the confetti.QuoteThe vuvuzelas are here to stay so get over it already!
As far as I am concerned, the television production crews are doing a great job in making the broadcasters be heard above the drone of the vuvuzelas, so I ain't gonna be one of them people that are sitting at home watching it on television, and pretending to make them an issue just so I could jump on the bandwagon of complainers. Nor am I in the stands to experience the true atmosphere of the game and their effect. In fact, for every goal that has been scored in this WC, I have been able to hear the crowds' reactions above the drone.
Actually the quality of the sound has improved... whether you choose to recognize that or not. The Vuvuzelas resonate at a particular frequency and that frequency has been isolated and filtered. Again, I don't expect you to understand any of that. No it has not, plain and simple. Nothing to "understand". Would you like me to send you a copy of the first and last games played and you can test it with your professional sound equipment and maccocious ears to see that the broadcasters can be heard just as loud and clear above the drone in the last game as they were in the first? My original point is that the broadcast, as in the commentary, can be heard loud and clear above the vuvuzelasQuoteESPN is responsible for doing it's sound production of its broadcast, not some third party....unless, you know for a fact, mister audio technician, that espn is incapable of taking a feed of "the sounds of the World cup" i.e. live play and stadium noise, from a third party and mixing it and re-distributing that at levels that would hinder its broadcast from the booth from being heard properly by its subscribers, i.e. people like you and Joe Schmoe, over here in the usa (and everybody else that is complaining about the "noise"). I guess until that so-called third party of yours had put in them additional fliters you speak about, john harkes and martin tyler and them must have had to have been SCREAMING into their microphones in order for you and Joe Schmoe to hear the broadcast.
Backsidehole... since, yuh want to resort to ad hominems... ESPN IS NOT doing it's own sound production, nor is ABC... nor is Univision The company which has sole authority for broadcasting the games is Host Broadcast Services... as was clearly stated in that link I provided. Maybe you'd like a nice note in crayon next time since you clearly have problems reading what's on your screen. HBS provides the feed on behalf of FIFA to the global networks whom themselves have purchased the rights to transmit the signal to their proprietary regions around the world.
The ad hominenms are necessary and appropriate since you need to be held by the hand and explained that
when I refer to "broadcast" on this subject, I am referring to the announcers, as in, the commentator and analyst teams giving us the play by play. HBS is responsible for the overall video and audio production of the entire World Cup, but each of the subscribing Licencees, like ESPN, BBC etc., are allowed to add their own commentary even though HBS is providing english commentary for each of the 64 games. See, this is where john harkes, Martin Tyler, Efan Ekoku and Co. come in. In being able to add their own commentary, ESPN gets some control of its own production/re-production or generically speaking, "broadcast" to package and distribute for you and Joe, Jackass. In doing so, they had already taken the necessary proactive steps to ensure that the vuvzelas would not interfere with their "broadcast" and they did that from the onset. That is what your article in the New York Times states....unless you are suggesting that ESPN sent a team of broadcasters and analysts to Soth Africa (or where the f**k ever they are) without a production crew. So I guess the Mix Adio that ESPN are using, they sent a runner to HBS with it and asked them to put it on their equipment. But even though you deleted the post I am sure you can go and still refer to it at your idiotic leisure.
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*******You so smart until you outsmart yuh own self. I now read the article you referenced.....according to it, your source, ESPN to proactive steps to filter out the vuvuzelas and never lobbied FIFA to ban them because they didn't have to. Their experience with nascar and the nba gave them the expertise to properly transmit an event to its subscribers without interference from the noise of the event itself. In other words, they had already taken steps to make sure the broadcast was not compromised from the word go. That is my original point. So I eh have to thank shit for no "better" broadcast. As I said, it was good enough from the onset. It never got "better" ******
You need to take some ah dat Argentinian toilet paper yuh keep talking about and wipe yuh computer screen, because you ent typing nutten but ah setta shit. Furthermore yuh conclusively demonstrate that basic reading comprehension is beyond your grasp. ESPN took steps on their end to filter the feed they received from HBS. HBS, after taking note of the complaints from broadcasters doubled the filter. I'd tell you to read the article again... but that would just be a further waste of time absent pictures and stick figure diagrams. None of the broadcasters understandably want to go on record as having complained about the vuvuzelas for fear that they'd be portrayed as "culturally" insensitive to SA. All along people have been hesitant to criticize the SA effort, a) b/c FIFA has frowned upon such criticism; and b) because they know that it inevitably will have dotish people who will take criticism of the S. African effort as anti-African sentiment... and some ignorant black people will get all up in arms in knee-jerk reaction to it.
You could continue to deny that the sound hasn't gotten "better" all you want, but the difference is clear... and the broadcaster has revealed as much. Your name-calling only seems more amusing given the fact that you clearly read and don't understand what it is yuh reading, so to compensate for that yuh start with yuh hormonal ranting. Unbunch yuh panties and try and understand what it is yuh reading next time.
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:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: So I take it yuh not watchin the game?
Vuvuzelas dividing the forum- ban them!
:D
All i have to say is...I see lots of shots of fans in the stadiums, and a lot without the Vs and they ent look like it bothering them one bit...man I am sure if it was that annoying, all them big time dignitaries (sp) (ah too lazy to make sure ah spell it right lol) woulda fine ah way to stop it by now.
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Voices drowning out vuvuzelas in the France - Mexico game...
First time I've observed in this cup.
Voices drowning out vuvuzelas in the France - Mexico game...
First time I've observed in this cup.
People must be getting fed up ah de blasted thing and gone back to creating true atmosphere...singing and chanting and beating drums....
Voices drowning out vuvuzelas in the France - Mexico game...
First time I've observed in this cup.
People must be getting fed up ah de blasted thing and gone back to creating true atmosphere...singing and chanting and beating drums....
or they filtering it better on the original feed... i notice less vuvuzelas in the greece nigeria game too
Vuvuzelas dividing the forum- ban them!
:D
or they filtering it better on the original feed... i notice less vuvuzelas in the greece nigeria game too
Bringing the sensation to socawarriors.net.
http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/www.socawarriors.net/forum/
ah love it :rotfl:
Bringing the sensation to socawarriors.net.
http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/www.socawarriors.net/forum/
ah love it :rotfl:
ay yai yaiii... :rotfl: it really catch me by surprise ;D
EDIT: Allyuh open 5 windows of that link while you browsing... :rotfl:
Midknight and Bake and Shark not allyuh... don't even open one
Vuvuzelas dividing the forum- ban them!
:D
Why yuh say dat? Nah man... is nutten but Love, Peace and Nappiness!or they filtering it better on the original feed... i notice less vuvuzelas in the greece nigeria game too
Well so de people dem who originating de feed say dey doing... but dat cyah be right, is break de poor South African and dem heart break and dey stop buying ticket... wit dey instruments of course. Never mind de fact dat we know is not juss de Bafana Bafana fans deyself was blowing de "instrument from hell".
According to king-know-it-all, they shoulda been hearing voices (or "noticing" less vuvzelas) 5 days ago.
According to king-know-it-all, they shoulda been hearing voices (or "noticing" less vuvzelas) 5 days ago.
Lol :rotfl:
So dat is what all this belly-aching about? Man have real insecurity complex boy, lol
Anyways... 5 days ago was Saturday... yuh know, Match Day #2? That likely was too early for them to listen to criticism, consider changes and then implement it. Likely de ole noise carried on thru the weekend and not until Monday or Tuesday they double the filter. Fuh everybody but you and yuh special TV of course, you still getting de original feed.
I HEAR OLE OLE 2DAY. D WC is back :rotfl:
Now that song stuck in my head.
It would have been perfect if they had included a constant vuvuzela background.
Origin of the Vuvuzela found!
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