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Title: Vuvuzelas
Post by: freakazoid on June 20, 2009, 02:54:52 PM
Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela

Reuters

June 20, 2009

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The noisy vuvuzela trumpet-type instrument blown incessantly by fans during Confederations Cup matches should not be allowed in the stadiums, Dutch coach Bert Van Marwijk said.

"At home watching TV it really was annoying, but in the stadiums you get used to it but it is still unpleasant," Van Marwikj, who is on a fact-finding tour before next year's World Cup finals, told reporters at the hotel his team will use next year.

"You want to coach your players during the match but it is almost impossible with that noise. So for me the horns can stay outside the stadium."

TV broadcasters, viewers watching Confederations Cup matches at home around the world and Xabi Alonso, the Spanish midfielder as well as ordinary fans have all complained about the monotonous, tuneless sound of the vuvezela.

It has sparked a furious debate in the local media with its defenders saying it is an integral part of South Africa's football culture. Other commentators say it is a recently new phenomonon intrdocued as a marketing tool in the past few years.

FIFA president Sepp Blatter said last week the world governing body had no plans to ban the instrument from Confederations Cup matches. He said FIFA and the local organising committee would meet after the Confederations Cup to discuss whether it should be banned next year.

Blatter is against the idea of a ban saying that "we should not try to europeanise an African World Cup," but thousands of fans around the world have e-mailed FIFA over the last week urging them to ban the instrument.

One suggestion is that they should just be allowed at South Africa's matches.

Alonso, the Spanish midfielder said this week that the noise made it difficult for players to concentrate and communicate with each other while playing and did nothing for the atmosphere inside the stadium.

Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: weary1969 on June 20, 2009, 02:58:08 PM
Dem just vex dey eh have no noise maker dat loud.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Dinner Mints on June 20, 2009, 03:07:33 PM
Cultural Imperialism.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: NUFF on June 20, 2009, 06:31:48 PM
I find it very annoying too but I don't think it should be banned from the world cup.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Brownsugar on June 20, 2009, 07:11:46 PM
This reminds me of the ban on conch shells (and the like) during the Cricket World Cup here in the Caribbean....the tournament did not have that decidely Caribbean flavour and sounded more like the yawn fest of English Cricket grounds...

All who saying ban it should haul dey collective arses!!....sttteeeuupppss!!!
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 21, 2009, 08:33:53 AM
I doh even understand how anybody could even say they could find them things annoying.......could only people that don't get out much.  Plus, I don't recall there ever having been a peep made about all the noise and paper streamers and toilet paper that was showering down on the players in Argentina in '78, all the way down to the Final between the hosts, whose players could only have been more comfortable with that atmosphere, and Holland.  Yes, I know it was a lonnnnnnnnnnng time ago, but the atmosphere in that tournament, to the best of my memory, was strikingly similar to this one in SA and it's the first WC since then that could come close to creating that atmosphere except the South Africans eh have no setta paper to waste.  All of this sounds like every issue ranging from class to cultural to downright racism. 
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: kicker on June 21, 2009, 05:45:53 PM
In the beginning I found it a bit unusual, but I've gotten used to it...It's like white noise (pardon the pun) to me now when I watch the games

It's also not the first time that such a horn-type sound is pervasive in football so I'm kinda surprised that it's only just becoming a big deal (actually not that surprised  :D )

Humans have the ability to adapt... Some people just don't have the patience to let that adaptability do it's thing.  So far I'm with Blatter- It's South Africa- that's their culture, let's deal with it (of course I'm commenting from the couch)...

If teams could adpat to high altitude in Mexico, Freezing temperatures in Russia, and the extreme heat/humidity of WC Korea 2002, what the heck is a vuvuzela?
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: D.H.W on June 21, 2009, 06:21:43 PM
Azteca using that for years
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: southeastPOS on June 22, 2009, 12:49:48 AM
If you watching the game on the net whit ah head set that S#*t is annoying. but let us understand that we have to support SA fans, because the next thing they will want to stop is we engine room. They try to take my cow bell in Germany at the last game and i had to fight for about 15 min. to get it back.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Observer on June 22, 2009, 09:36:55 AM
I find Tommy Smith far more annoying than the vuvuzela  ;D
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Mackie on June 22, 2009, 09:47:43 AM
I find Tommy Smith far more annoying than the vuvuzela  ;D

COSIGN lol
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 22, 2009, 09:48:33 AM
I find Tommy Smith far more annoying than the vuvuzela  ;D

COSIGN lol

  Co-Cosign!  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: palos on June 22, 2009, 09:52:19 AM
Azteca using that for years

EXACTLY!!  Including during the World Cup held there in 1986
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: #4 on June 22, 2009, 09:54:50 AM
Azteca using that for years

fuh real... i don't always agree with what landon donovan says, but i think it was true when he said that most European teams could not handle the atmosphere that central american teams create for the hex... the heat, the intimate stadiums, the raucous fans w/ horns , the nasty dressing rooms, the sleepless nights in hotels, etc.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Brownsugar on June 22, 2009, 11:16:58 AM
Azteca using that for years

EXACTLY!!  Including during the World Cup held there in 1986

Ah ha!!...I thought it sounded very familiar....they was playing the blasted thing just the other day in our WCQ game....steups...
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: weary1969 on June 22, 2009, 02:13:46 PM
I find Tommy Smith far more annoying than the vuvuzela  ;D

COSIGN lol

  Co-Cosign!  :rotfl:

Is a real pappyshow now  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: NUFF on June 23, 2009, 07:06:20 AM
I find Tommy Smith far more annoying than the vuvuzela  ;D

When yuh have ah choice between Tommy Smythe and John Harkes I go take Tommy Smythe with no complaints.  De other day I watch one ah dem Confederations Cup games on de Spanish station just so I wouldn't have to listen to dem blasted American comentators.  Dem is de wuss.  Ah Praying dey doh use dem fuh next year's world cup like dey did in 2006.  By de way I think Tommy Smythe partner Derek Rae does an excellent job.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bourbon on June 24, 2009, 03:02:39 PM
Dis getting to be a joke now.


(http://www.studs-up.com/comics/2009-06-22.jpg)
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Brownsugar on June 24, 2009, 03:58:20 PM
I joining the "ban the vuvuzela band wagon" too....ah sure is that damn annoying thing why Spain lose.... :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Peter on June 24, 2009, 10:35:25 PM
Azteca using that for years

EXACTLY!!  Including during the World Cup held there in 1986

Ah ha!!...I thought it sounded very familiar....they was playing the blasted thing just the other day in our WCQ game....steups...

yeah, lol, same thing i eventually noticed too, i went online and looked at some confed cup vids and thought to myself- that sounds exactly like that weird buzzing sound from our mexico match that was giving me a headache, while i was watching that match i was wondering what the hell they were blowing. I don't think they should ban it, but i think they should give guidelines that you should blow it continually, for as long as your blasted breath holds up, they could at least makes some noise with their mouths inbetween- cause that's what gives real atmosphere to games, it's comparable to our riddim section(though our guys are have ACTUAL TALENT and make noise with actual rhythm to it, chalk and cheese, but still), their noise without the crowd's verbal noise doesn't make the atmosphere in the stadiums alive, it's still dead, though they help. Besides that, the vuvuzela is a persistent humming noise, which is almost like static on your tv- it makes the experience less pleasurable for most.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: JDB on June 25, 2009, 08:58:59 AM
In the beginning I found it a bit unusual, but I've gotten used to it...It's like white noise (pardon the pun) to me now when I watch the games

It's also not the first time that such a horn-type sound is pervasive in football so I'm kinda surprised that it's only just becoming a big deal (actually not that surprised  :D )

Humans have the ability to adapt... Some people just don't have the patience to let that adaptability do it's thing.  So far I'm with Blatter- It's South Africa- that's their culture, let's deal with it (of course I'm commenting from the couch)...

If teams could adpat to high altitude in Mexico, Freezing temperatures in Russia, and the extreme heat/humidity of WC Korea 2002, what the heck is a vuvuzela?

I feel similarly. I haven’t watched many games but the few I did watch I didn’t really notice a problem. It is only when people starting writing about it on the internet that I become conscious of it.

It is a constant drone, the only thing it blocking out is the actual on-field noise which is usually hard to hear anyway. I find the TV viewers complaining about it have nothing better to do.

Now the people watching the game in person would be a different story. I sure they getting real pressure.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Dinner Mints on June 25, 2009, 09:34:46 AM
In the beginning I found it a bit unusual, but I've gotten used to it...It's like white noise (pardon the pun) to me now when I watch the games

It's also not the first time that such a horn-type sound is pervasive in football so I'm kinda surprised that it's only just becoming a big deal (actually not that surprised  :D )

Humans have the ability to adapt... Some people just don't have the patience to let that adaptability do it's thing.  So far I'm with Blatter- It's South Africa- that's their culture, let's deal with it (of course I'm commenting from the couch)...

If teams could adpat to high altitude in Mexico, Freezing temperatures in Russia, and the extreme heat/humidity of WC Korea 2002, what the heck is a vuvuzela?

I feel similarly. I haven’t watched many games but the few I did watch I didn’t really notice a problem. It is only when people starting writing about it on the internet that I become conscious of it.

It is a constant drone, the only thing it blocking out is the actual on-field noise which is usually hard to hear anyway. I find the TV viewers complaining about it have nothing better to do.

Now the people watching the game in person would be a different story. I sure they getting real pressure.

Actually, I've heard it's less annoying in person. Apparently there's a rhythm to it that doesn't come across over the air. Different sections have different rhythms, so when you dey all you hearing is de rhythm in your own section. Over the air, it's like all rhythms combined into one noise.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Storeboy on June 25, 2009, 12:03:35 PM
Leh the people blow and play whatever they want!
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: xixgon on June 25, 2009, 12:24:36 PM
It should definitely be banned.

It's not like riddim section we'se have here in the Caribbean which adds to the atmophere. Them tings jus plain annoying.

It's not even like they blow them when something of significance happens in the game - it's constant and incessant throughout. There's no way they could regulate ppl to only blow dem at certain times either.

If those tings are allowed to remain they would take away from the WC for sure - like a damn bee buzzin in ur ears for an entire match - da eh sumtin anyone should get used to, nor do I see how it's a cultural heritage or necessity seeing as it only became popular in the 90's & began being mass produced in 2001. It's also supposed to mimic the sound of an elephant (which it clearly doesn't).

This is a World Cup for the World and the Players - if there's a genuine and large outcry towards these instruments (whose value is wholly debateable) - I don't see how they can't at least seriously consider certain measures towards it.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: acb on June 25, 2009, 12:27:59 PM
i will admit it's disrespectful to be blowing them during national anthems.

I would be pissed if i hear that in the background of T&T's anthem.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: kicker on June 25, 2009, 12:29:12 PM
i will admit it's disrespectful to be blowing them during national anthems.

I would be pissed if i hear that in the background of T&T's anthem.

What if they played our anthem with it...
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: acb on June 25, 2009, 12:32:25 PM
i will admit it's disrespectful to be blowing them during national anthems.

I would be pissed if i hear that in the background of T&T's anthem.

What if they played our anthem with it...

from the tone of it, that might be impossible.
If they want to merge it with a riddim section, then that is something else.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: dinho on June 25, 2009, 12:32:37 PM
It should definitely be banned.

It's not like riddim section we'se have here in the Caribbean which adds to the atmophere. Them tings jus plain annoying.

It's not even like they blow them when something of significance happens in the game - it's constant and incessant throughout. There's no way they could regulate ppl to only blow dem at certain times either.

If those tings are allowed to remain they would take away from the WC for sure - like a damn bee buzzin in ur ears for an entire match - da eh sumtin anyone should get used to, nor do I see how it's a cultural heritage or necessity seeing as it only became popular in the 90's & began being mass produced in 2001. It's also supposed to mimic the sound of an elephant (which it clearly doesn't).

This is a World Cup for the World and the Players - if there's a genuine and large outcry towards these instruments (whose value is wholly debateable) - I don't see how they can't at least seriously consider certain measures towards it.

my take is, if it was really so annoying, then all the south african fans would not be blowing on dem vuvuzelas in the first place...

and it is a world cup in south africa after all - they should be entitled to incorporate whatever elements of their culture are customary in football matches.

i much prefer that than what happened when we hosted the cricket world cup in the west indies, where we let the ICC and by extension the first world powers that be, dictate to us what our caribbean atmosphere should be in the name of supposed security reasons.

Just try to remember how it ended up when we let them take away our instruments, our conch shells and our rum because you know what, im sure they too thought all the noise in cricket was distracting, annoying and didnt add anything to the atmosphere.

Sit down at a test match at Lords and you'll know where that came from.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: NYtriniwhiteboy.. on June 25, 2009, 12:36:26 PM
doh knock it till yuh hear it in person...plenty foreigners find de riddim section annoying...
The cricket world cup here showed exactly how yuh cud kill a good thing when yuh take away the vibe of where the tournament is.
go play chess if yuh doh like noise
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Brownsugar on June 25, 2009, 12:57:16 PM
It should definitely be banned.

It's not like riddim section we'se have here in the Caribbean which adds to the atmophere. Them tings jus plain annoying.

It's not even like they blow them when something of significance happens in the game - it's constant and incessant throughout. There's no way they could regulate ppl to only blow dem at certain times either.

If those tings are allowed to remain they would take away from the WC for sure - like a damn bee buzzin in ur ears for an entire match - da eh sumtin anyone should get used to, nor do I see how it's a cultural heritage or necessity seeing as it only became popular in the 90's & began being mass produced in 2001. It's also supposed to mimic the sound of an elephant (which it clearly doesn't).

This is a World Cup for the World and the Players - if there's a genuine and large outcry towards these instruments (whose value is wholly debateable) - I don't see how they can't at least seriously consider certain measures towards it.

Steups... :bs: :bs: :bs:
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Dinner Mints on June 25, 2009, 01:00:38 PM
It should definitely be banned.

It's not like riddim section we'se have here in the Caribbean which adds to the atmophere.
And this is the problem right here. People thinking that their experiences and their cultural expressions are the only valid ones.

I can assure you that our riddim section that "adds to the atmosphere" is just as much of a nuisance to many many people. All they hear is ol' noise just like all you hear in South Africa is buzzing.

Some people think "atmosphere" is just singing songs. Some people find that boring. Some people think "atmosphere" is a man on a loudspeaker. Some people wish he would hush he ass.

I guarantee yuh if dis was part of European culture and the World (and Confederation) Cup was in Europe, 3/4 of the people whining now wouldn't be saying boo. Is them Africans, though, so...
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: dinho on June 25, 2009, 01:05:17 PM
anytime i see this man name tshabalala i does remember ah old Vegas and Sean Paul track...

"tshbalala boom boom sheyay... i and i buck ah hot gal today.. tshabalala boom boom skeyow... i and i ah haffi get de gyal now...."


....... ok moving along.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Toppa on June 25, 2009, 01:06:38 PM
It should definitely be banned.

It's not like riddim section we'se have here in the Caribbean which adds to the atmophere.
And this is the problem right here. People thinking that their experiences and their cultural expressions are the only valid ones.

I can assure you that our riddim section that "adds to the atmosphere" is just as much of a nuisance to many many people. All they hear is ol' noise just like all you hear in South Africa is buzzing.

Some people think "atmosphere" is just singing songs. Some people find that boring. Some people think "atmosphere" is a man on a loudspeaker. Some people wish he would hush he ass.

I guarantee yuh if dis was part of European culture and the World (and Confederation) Cup was in Europe, 3/4 of the people whining now wouldn't be saying boo. Is them Africans, though, so...

Exactly.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: weary1969 on June 25, 2009, 01:32:29 PM
Doh study dem orange fellas dey shoppin 4 an excuse for their failure in 2010.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Brownsugar on June 25, 2009, 01:34:13 PM
It should definitely be banned.

It's not like riddim section we'se have here in the Caribbean which adds to the atmophere.
And this is the problem right here. People thinking that their experiences and their cultural expressions are the only valid ones.

I can assure you that our riddim section that "adds to the atmosphere" is just as much of a nuisance to many many people. All they hear is ol' noise just like all you hear in South Africa is buzzing.

Some people think "atmosphere" is just singing songs. Some people find that boring. Some people think "atmosphere" is a man on a loudspeaker. Some people wish he would hush he ass.

I guarantee yuh if dis was part of European culture and the World (and Confederation) Cup was in Europe, 3/4 of the people whining now wouldn't be saying boo. Is them Africans, though, so...

 :applause: :applause: :beermug:

Doh study dem orange fellas dey shoppin 4 an excuse for their failure in 2010.

Girl, imagine is mih team coach talking this shyte...steups...dey better play ball and doh get mih vex next year nah... ;D
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: kicker on June 25, 2009, 01:36:00 PM

I can assure you that our riddim section that "adds to the atmosphere" is just as much of a nuisance to many many people. All they hear is ol' noise just like all you hear in South Africa is buzzing.


Doh talk dat...our riddim section iz be sweet  ;D
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: xixgon on June 25, 2009, 01:38:59 PM
Haha Touche...

Still doh mean I goin enjoy their presence though. To me they add nothing, and in fact take away from the experience - as they clearly do for many of the players, coaches and other fans.

But it's a fair point to make that if it genuinely is part of South African culture and it creates a necessary atmosphere in their minds - then it's in their right to continue to incorporate it. Just as we do with our methods of support/trying to psych out the opposition.

What I question is how much part of true South African culture are these instruments really? I guess I'll have to do a bit more research into that fact. I suppose it's somewhat irrelevant though - and I'll have to be content to getting used to the noise/letting it grow on me for next year's WC.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Toppa on June 25, 2009, 01:42:02 PM
The ancestor of the vuvuzela is said to be the kudu horn - ixilongo in isiXhosa, mhalamhala in Tshivenda - blown to summon African villagers to meetings.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: xixgon on June 25, 2009, 01:46:50 PM
Yeah supposedly: "Adding to the appeal is African folklore that "A baboon is killed by a lot of noise." During the last quarter of a match, supporters blow vuvuzelas frantically in an attempt to "kill off" their opponents."

So there's the psyching out aspect of it. Would really need to hear a proper explanation from a real Bafana Bafana to put tings into perspective yes.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: weary1969 on June 25, 2009, 01:55:49 PM
It should definitely be banned.

It's not like riddim section we'se have here in the Caribbean which adds to the atmophere.
And this is the problem right here. People thinking that their experiences and their cultural expressions are the only valid ones.

I can assure you that our riddim section that "adds to the atmosphere" is just as much of a nuisance to many many people. All they hear is ol' noise just like all you hear in South Africa is buzzing.

Some people think "atmosphere" is just singing songs. Some people find that boring. Some people think "atmosphere" is a man on a loudspeaker. Some people wish he would hush he ass.

I guarantee yuh if dis was part of European culture and the World (and Confederation) Cup was in Europe, 3/4 of the people whining now wouldn't be saying boo. Is them Africans, though, so...

 :applause: :applause: :beermug:

Doh study dem orange fellas dey shoppin 4 an excuse for their failure in 2010.

Girl, imagine is mih team coach talking this shyte...steups...dey better play ball and doh get mih vex next year nah... ;D

D dutch is me team after Brazil and France so let dey do what Scotty say.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Brownsugar on June 25, 2009, 02:07:26 PM
Yeah supposedly: "Adding to the appeal is African folklore that "A baboon is killed by a lot of noise." During the last quarter of a match, supporters blow vuvuzelas frantically in an attempt to "kill off" their opponents."

So there's the psyching out aspect of it. Would really need to hear a proper explanation from a real Bafana Bafana to put tings into perspective yes.

Yuh trying real hard..... ::) ::)
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: weary1969 on June 25, 2009, 02:34:03 PM
Yeah supposedly: "Adding to the appeal is African folklore that "A baboon is killed by a lot of noise." During the last quarter of a match, supporters blow vuvuzelas frantically in an attempt to "kill off" their opponents."

So there's the psyching out aspect of it. Would really need to hear a proper explanation from a real Bafana Bafana to put tings into perspective yes.

Yuh trying real hard..... ::) ::)

Wit lil success
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: xixgon on June 26, 2009, 01:49:50 PM
Haha I guess the phrase "Gracious Compromise" doesn't exist on this board.

Ah well, shouldn't be expectin as much I suppose.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: acb on June 26, 2009, 01:59:08 PM
Yeah supposedly: "Adding to the appeal is African folklore that "A baboon is killed by a lot of noise." During the last quarter of a match, supporters blow vuvuzelas frantically in an attempt to "kill off" their opponents."

So there's the psyching out aspect of it. Would really need to hear a proper explanation from a real Bafana Bafana to put tings into perspective yes.

you watch Blood Diamond one too many times.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Lifeisgood on June 26, 2009, 02:04:04 PM
Stop Racism - Do Not Ban Vuvuzela

Utter madness ..they been blowing that for years..adapt.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: xixgon on June 26, 2009, 02:59:16 PM
Yeah supposedly: "Adding to the appeal is African folklore that "A baboon is killed by a lot of noise." During the last quarter of a match, supporters blow vuvuzelas frantically in an attempt to "kill off" their opponents."

So there's the psyching out aspect of it. Would really need to hear a proper explanation from a real Bafana Bafana to put tings into perspective yes.

you watch Blood Diamond one too many times.

Hos, dat is a direct quote from Wikipedia - not like I making that up. That is the explanation for it's use - aside from it's derivation from a horn that used to be used to call people to meeting.

'Blood Diamond' also has nuttin to do wit South Africa - jus to let u know haha.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: acb on June 26, 2009, 03:09:19 PM
Yeah supposedly: "Adding to the appeal is African folklore that "A baboon is killed by a lot of noise." During the last quarter of a match, supporters blow vuvuzelas frantically in an attempt to "kill off" their opponents."

So there's the psyching out aspect of it. Would really need to hear a proper explanation from a real Bafana Bafana to put tings into perspective yes.

you watch Blood Diamond one too many times.

Hos, dat is a direct quote from Wikipedia - not like I making that up. That is the explanation for it's use - aside from it's derivation from a horn that used to be used to call people to meeting.

'Blood Diamond' also has nuttin to do wit South Africa - jus to let u know haha.

lol, nah - I definitely watch it one too many times, and it have a part when DiCaprio kill a baboon and tell Hounsou how they used to track and kill baboons - then threaten to kill him like a baboon if he ever risk he life like that again.

Hos, dat is a direct quote from Wikipedia - not like I making that up.

remember that is the same Wiki that have the wrong picture of Avery John ... lol
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: xixgon on June 26, 2009, 04:02:28 PM
Haha true dat eh - I eh make da connection na.

Point taken on d Wiki - seemed plausible doh haha.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: ribbit on June 26, 2009, 08:31:12 PM
ah think yuh have to read a bit between the lines here. it's not the vuvuzela, it's the intelligent use of the vuvuzela that is in question. the way the south africans making it a constant drone showing that they eh a football crowd. de stadium noise have almost no correlation with de game situation. in south america and europe, de crowds know better - dey better versed in de football culture. is better de people in de stadium dat don't know when to make noise be deprived of de means. i fuh banning thunder sticks as well if all de stadium attendees want to do is clap on a throw-in.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Deeks on June 27, 2009, 07:36:48 AM
There is not one way to support your team. We accustom watching Euro games with the home crowd with their rehearsed ricitals. Well, good for them. But other cultures have different ways of showing support. Some people  here showing bias to the Euros. I hope the SAs don't capitulate to the Euro demands, just as the WI did with the WC cricket as someone has mentioned.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 27, 2009, 09:54:45 AM
There is not one way to support your team. We accustom watching Euro games with the home crowd with their rehearsed ricitals. Well, good for them. But other cultures have different ways of showing support. Some people  here showing bias to the Euros. I hope the SAs don't capitulate to the Euro demands, just as the WI did with the WC cricket as someone has mentioned.


  Deeks, yuh have more belly dan me!  I read some o' de nonsense man post up here and jes' had to shake meh head and leave it alone!
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Fyzoman on June 27, 2009, 10:44:56 AM
yuh know from de first game ah watch in de Confed dat noise annoy de hell outta me, now ah kinda use to it, when dey explain what it was ah was like ok then, cool scene...den dey show people blowing it and look ah lil 'commercial' to me but cool scene, den de posts (and explanations) start....i consider dem de same as thunderstix though, just something for people to do when dey watching de game.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bourbon on June 27, 2009, 10:28:33 PM
 South Africa Abuzz  (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-soccer-trumpet28-2009jun28,0,7291960.story)

Quote
Reporting from Johannesburg, South Africa -- As South Africa gears up to host next year's soccer World Cup, there are plenty of doomsayers predicting the worst. If transportation shortagesdon't ruin the event, crime will. The beer will run out. Or the stadiums will be half empty.

But no one expected an ugly plastic trumpet to dominate the controversy.
Hatred of the vuvuzela, the noisemaker wielded by South African soccer fans, ignited the blogosphere even before the FIFA Confederations Cup, the country's dry run for 2010, which ends today when the U.S. national team plays Brazil for the championship.

During the current tournament, foreign players, coaches and journalists have called for a ban of the vuvuzela. There is debate about whether it's a unique part of South African culture, and therefore untouchable, or just a cheap plastic import that makes a lot of noise, like an electric air horn or a whistle.

One vuvuzela -- a loud, tuneless blast -- sounds something like a foghorn. But a stadium full of vuvuzelas, all tooting simultaneously, is either the most exhilarating and exciting sound or a noise so irritating it borders on painful, depending on the listener.

It's been compared to a deafening swarm of wasps. Or a herd of flatulent elephants.

The vuvuzela ranges in length from about 2 to 3 feet. The longer it is, the harder it is to blow.

Video clips of groups playing the vuvuzela like a melodic instrument can be found on YouTube. But a more accurate sound clip is found on the website www.boogieblast.co.za "> www.boogieblast.co.za , which claims to be the trumpet's original distributor.

Boogieblast's sales pitch: "Remember . . . you only hate them if you don't have one."

Mike Greenberg from the ESPN radio sports show "Mike and Mike" is one of the vuvuzela's loudest detractors. He said the sound at a recent match was "excruciating."

"It never ends," Greenberg said on the air. "And it is like you are being attacked by a swarm of locusts for 90 consecutive minutes."

"I know what you're talking about," said co-host Mike Golic. "How can they constantly do that?"

Spanish soccer player Xabi Alonso called for a ban of vuvuzelas at the 2010 World Cup, according to South African newspaper The Times. So did Dutch Coach Bert Van Marwijk, Reuters reported.

Joseph "Sepp" Blatter, head of FIFA, the international soccer association that runs the World Cup, said recently there were no plans to ban the trumpet during the 2010 tournament.

A sports journalist with South Africa's Times, Bareng-Batho Kortjaas, said critics of the vuvuzela should watch the matches on television.

"The irony of it all is that most of those denouncing the vuvuzela's democratic right to be blown are part-time football fans who, under normal circumstances, avoid setting foot anywhere near a soccer match because it is 'too dangerous,' " he wrote recently.

Local soccer in South Africa is perceived largely as a "black" game, attracting mainly black supporters, whereas rugby crowds are overwhelmingly white.

Philip Kalinko, manager of PerkalGifts, a vuvuzela distributor in Johannesburg, said South Africans have been disagreeing for years about the noisemaker.

"For everyone who loves it, there's another person who says it should be banned," he said. "I sit there and watch the football on TV, and I don't even hear the vuvuzelas. My wife sits next to me, and she can't bear to listen to the sound of the vuvuzelas."

There is not even agreement on the origins of the instrument or the meaning of its name.

The International Marketing Council of South Africa says the vuvuzela reportedly originated in the kudu horns used to summon villagers in old times. But Boogieblast claims the trumpets were imported as plastic toys from the U.S. and did not sell -- until soccer fans started using them about a decade ago.

According to the marketing council, a survey last year by research company African Response showed that 71% of South Africans think vuvuzelas will add to the atmosphere at World Cup matches.

The Confederations Cup seems to have created international interest in the trumpet: Kalinko said PerkalGifts had almost no foreign orders until a few weeks ago. In the last three weeks it has sent thousands to countries such as the Netherlands, Turkey, Austria, Britain and Ireland, usually ordered in each country's team colors, he said.

Blasting the plastic horns takes practice. "They're not easy to blow. You have to blow very hard. You've got to fill your lips up with air and blow, as hard as you can," said Kalinko. "Not everybody can do it. We've had a couple of people bringing them back saying, 'It doesn't work.' "

Shadrack Mohsen, 16, a soccer fan who's been blowing vuvuzelas since he was about 10, said banning them in South Africa would be like banning cheering in other countries.

"It's like a tradition for us to play the vuvuzela at our soccer matches when we are singing our songs," Shadrack said. "We're doing things with the vuvuzelas, like pointing them at the players."

A ban, he said, "obviously wouldn't work. People would take their vuvuzelas along anyway, because they're used to them."



I want one. :)

Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Brownsugar on June 28, 2009, 05:39:29 AM
Me too...it goh wake up the funeral in the HCS..... ;D

......and before ah forget....GO USA!!!....

Bourbon ah hope yuh appreciate mih sacrifice eh, cuz what ah just post dey is sheer blasphemy!!... :devil: ;D
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Zeppo on June 29, 2009, 07:43:05 AM
The complainers don't need to worry so much about the vuvuzelas. They are probably not going to be nearly as much of a presence next summer:

There have already been more than 500,000 applications for tickets, according to Fifa, and at least 80% of the crowds will be foreign.

The atmosphere at the Confederations Cup has been uniquely African. The noise at Sunday's final was unlike any other match I have been to, with the deafening din of vuvuzelas, the loud plastic trumpets, echoing around the stadium like a giant herd of elephants.

Blatter has voiced concerns about the noise of these instruments but Jordaan says: "Watching football on the African continent is a noisy place.

"Fans come with their horns and drums and in South Africa, the vuvuzela. "When the matches are filled with say Brazil or England fans at next summer's World Cup, there will be far fewer vuvuzelas."


http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/simonaustin/2009/06/as_usa_getting_to_the.html
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Andre on June 30, 2009, 09:39:49 AM
well it look like some big ballers eh mind them thing.


(http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/vuvu2.thumbnail.jpg)
(http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/vuvu1.jpg)
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: FF on June 30, 2009, 09:44:59 AM
Ha ha ha ha... I feel they going and hire somebody to follow dem round whole year in spain blowing vuvezela in dey arse right through...

so by de time next year dey accustom...  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: RasIred on June 30, 2009, 09:47:38 AM
Blow the VUVUZELA ! Tell all the anti- vuvuzela people to hull they tail! Thats the people dem instrument , yeah it might be a bit loud but adds to a great atmosphere........... Play football and doh study nothing. Is not like it giving one team an advantage, both teams have to deal with the same noise............so they better adapt!!
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Touches on June 30, 2009, 10:03:08 AM
"Remember . . . you only hate them if you don't have one.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Zeppo on November 18, 2009, 04:15:13 PM
Japan ask 2010 hosts South Africa to ban vuvuzela

Japan's soccer chief has joined in the chorus of protestors wanting the noisy vuvuzela trumpet to be banned from next year's World Cup in South Africa.

FIFA had previously rejected calls for a ban on the plastic instrument but Japan have now appealed to South African officials after playing a friendly against the World Cup hosts at the weekend.

"We have requested that the South African FA cut that noise out," Japan Football Association (JFA) president Motoaki Inukai was quoted as saying in Tuesday's edition of the Sankei Sports newspaper.

(continue) (http://af.reuters.com/article/idAFJOE5AG05Z20091117)
Title: The Vuvuzela - Legendary Horn!
Post by: Disgruntled_Trini on February 08, 2010, 01:55:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/SrYb9qtO8OQ
Title: Re: The Vuvuzela - Legendary Horn!
Post by: kicker on February 08, 2010, 02:07:12 PM
hahaha....the mini Vuvu sound like a miserable baby dread lol....

I for one support the Vuvuzela... I agree with Blatter- it's part of the culture and if yuh want to have the tournament in SA, yuh have to adapt... 

By the 2nd or 3rd game of the CONFED Cup I didn't even notice it anymore -was like background noise. 
Title: Re: The Vuvuzela - Legendary Horn!
Post by: palos on February 08, 2010, 02:24:35 PM
Say goodbye to a thread soon to be destined to the "Merge" heap.  ;D
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: palos on February 08, 2010, 04:27:32 PM
LMAO!!  ;D ;D ;D :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: kicker on February 08, 2010, 05:47:51 PM
LMAO!!  ;D ;D ;D :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Good call  ;D :beermug:
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Brownsugar on February 08, 2010, 06:03:01 PM
I was watching a piece on CNN about a religious group in South Africa who say they are the rightfull owners of the Vuvuzela.  They say they don't like how its being used by supporters of football.  Well unfortunately for them, they can't do anything about it...
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: WestCoast on February 08, 2010, 06:07:53 PM
so when de World Cup comes to TnT, of course with our most dearly beloved's Austin "Jack" Warner's help, they will want to ban Our Riddum Section also :devil:
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bourbon on February 08, 2010, 07:33:08 PM
I want two.
De baby one have rel potential for mischief.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Zeppo on April 16, 2010, 10:57:49 AM
Nigeria Supporters Club: We will not use vuvuzelas

Two months before the kick-off of the 2010 World Cup, the president general of the Nigeria Football Supporters Club, Rafiu Ladipo, has again stated that his organisation will discourage Nigerians from buying or using vuvuzelas during games involving the Super Eagles.

The instruments have been the subject of divisive opinion ahead of the World Cup and Ladipo described them as ‘alien’ and ‘noisy’.

”It is alien to our style and we will not go there with one or buy any in South Africa. We have a traditional way of supporting our team and FIFA has praised our style," Ladipo told KickOffNigeria.com.

(continue) (http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world-cup/news/we-will-not-use-vuvuzelas-nigeria-supporters--fbintl_goal-wewillnotusevuvuzelasnigeri.html)
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Zeppo on May 16, 2010, 03:47:09 PM
Bryan Robson warns World Cup managers of trumpet noise

Former England captain Bryan Robson believes World Cup managers could struggle against the noise of the South African plastic trumpet, the vuvuzela. Robson, who is manager of Thailand, saw his side lose 4-0 to South Africa in a warm-up match in Nelspruit on Sunday.

But the deafening and tuneless noise from the trumpet drowned out his instructions from the bench and he had to call players over to the sidelines. "With that noise they could have an advantage in the World Cup," he said. 

(continue) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8685750.stm)
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Zeppo on June 07, 2010, 06:46:46 AM
Nothing kills the joy of soccer like a bunch of wailing vuvuzelas

In my teenage years we always looked forward to the big teams from Johannesburg coming down to the sovereign kingdom by the coast to play the local teams.

Whenever Orlando Pirates, Moroka Swallows and Kaizer Chiefs (yes, they are all in order of importance) came down to play the likes of AmaZulu, Bush Bucks and African Wanderers, we would pile onto the trains and buses and head for King's Park stadium.

We would sing all the way.

(continue) (http://www.timeslive.co.za/opinion/columnists/article476668.ece/Nothing-kills-the-joy-of-soccer-like-a-bunch-of-wailing-vuvuzelas)
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: giggsy11 on June 07, 2010, 07:49:18 AM
Dey need tuh ban it oui-all yuh didn't see dem American supports blowin dem when USA was playin Australia. Next ting yuh know dey bring it back tuh the states and call it dey own. The sound of that ting is like a hive of bees stuck in the speaker!
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Toppa on June 07, 2010, 11:10:59 AM
Dey need tuh ban it oui-all yuh didn't see dem American supports blowin dem when USA was playin Australia. Next ting yuh know dey bring it back tuh the states and call it dey own. The sound of that ting is like a hive of bees stuck in the speaker!

Yeah, they'll patent it, get sole rights and then sell it back to the South Africans. Dey better hide dey ting!
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Zeppo on June 11, 2010, 04:37:19 AM
Vuvuzela tops noise league, seen threat to hearing

South Africa's vuvuzela, the trumpet that will be a fixture at World Cup matches, is the loudest of all fan instruments and can cause permanent hearing loss, a global hearing foundation said on Monday.

Soccer governing body FIFA has okayed the plastic trumpet for the tournament, which starts on Friday, after organisers did tests at a match at Johannesburg's 95,000-seater Soccer City due to worries the din could drown out emergency announcements.

While normally reserved for local games, the vuvuzela can now also be heard at warm-up matches and practice sessions ahead of the tournament, even those not involving South Africa's Bafana Bafana.

(continue) (http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE65621Y20100607)
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Jumbie on June 11, 2010, 08:15:00 AM
That facking thing annoying oui! I can't even hear the commentators and if I add the surround sound..I ducking, cause is like ah swarm ah bees over meh head.

Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: kicker on June 11, 2010, 09:09:32 AM
Vuvuzela soundin' arrite man...but the soldier blowing one in the street dis morning coulda get a dose...
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: fari on June 11, 2010, 01:30:29 PM
everybody blwoing dat ting...any camera shot of de fans u seeing man from all countries blowin it. i wonder how a vuvuzela, bottle and spoon riddim section would sound boy
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: E-man on June 11, 2010, 01:52:06 PM
everybody blwoing dat ting...any camera shot of de fans u seeing man from all countries blowin it. i wonder how a vuvuzela, bottle and spoon riddim section would sound boy

http://www.youtube.com/v/5V-m3lmcmEI

Ah say dis is tragic: is it wrong or right?
For de sake of music to take all dis bite?

Well dis was my problem, should I stay or go?
Someting tell me leave dem, someting tell me no
Well ah finally decided, I’m going to remain
De bees mus’ be say ah stchupid, dey lash me again!
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Socapro on June 11, 2010, 02:17:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/wPOXSRX/z3w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPOXSRX-z3w
Everybody everybody a swam ah Vuvuzelas now swarm Trinidad
Take out yuh rag, Take out yuh rag
D Vuvuzelas dem iritating people real real bad
D Vuvuzelas in town, D Vuvuzelas in town, D Vuvuzelas in town.....  :party:
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bakes on June 12, 2010, 12:03:03 AM
Vuvuzela soundin' arrite man...but the soldier blowing one in the street dis morning coulda get a dose...

Nah dread... that is the most annoyingest, irritatingest thing ever, I swear.  I dunno how de players even hearing themselves out on the pitch with that constant loud buzz.
Title: Vuvuzela drone killing World Cup atmosphere
Post by: zuluwarrior on June 13, 2010, 03:34:45 PM
Vuvuzela drone killing World Cup atmosphere
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John Leicester is an international sports columnist for The Associated Press

The constant drone of cheap and tuneless plastic horns is killing the atmosphere at the World Cup.

Where are the loud choruses of "Oooohhsss" from enthralled crowds when a shot scorches just wide of the goalpost? And the sharp communal intake of breath, the shrill "Aaahhhhss," when a goalkeeper makes an acrobatic, match-winning save? Or the humorous/moving/offensive football chants and songs?

Mostly, they're being drowned out by the unrelenting water-torture beehive hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm of South African vuvuzela trumpets. Damn them. They are stripping World Cup 2010 of football's aural artistry.


 
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Vuvuzela apologists - a few more weeks of this brainless white noise will perhaps change, or melt, their minds - defend the din as simply part of the South African experience. Each country to its own, they say. When in Rome, blah, blah, blah.

Which would be fine if this was purely a South African competition. Fans could then legitimately hoot away to their hearts' content while annoying no one other than their immediate neighbors.

But this is the World Cup, a celebration of the 32 nations that qualified and of all the others that did not but which still play and love the game. Hosting planet football brings responsibilities. At the very least, South Africa should ensure that the hundreds of millions of visitors who come in goodwill to its door, both in person and via the magic of television, do not go home with a migraine. How many TV viewers who long for a more nuanced soundtrack to go with the show have already concluded that the only way to enjoy this World Cup is by pressing mute on their remote?

In Tweeting "No offense to the vuvuzela posse but, man, it's a bit much," seven-time Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong was not alone.

Attending or watching a match should be a feast for both the eyes and the ears. Those two senses work better together, each augmenting the other.


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How do you feel about South Africa's vuvuzelas?  Can't stand 'em! Get 'em out!  They provide a nice atmosphere  I barely notice either way
Sounds should ebb and flow like tides with the fortunes on the field. That adds to the drama. Fans reacting with their voices to action on the pitch, to events in the stadium and to each other's sounds, songs and chants are part of football's theater.

A sudden crowd silence can also tell a story - perhaps of the heartbreak of a late, defeat-inflicting goal or of the collective shock of seeing a player horribly injured by a bad tackle. Sometimes, you should even be able to hear a coach bark orders from the touchline or players shouting at each other for the ball.

There are stadium sounds other than vuvuzelas at this World Cup - just not enough of them. They are being bullied into submission by the trumpets' never-ending screech.

In Rustenburg there were scattered unison chants of "In-ger-land, In-ger-land," a few bars of "God Save the Queen" and the occasional "USA! USA!" when England played the United States on Saturday night. But vuvuzelas ultimately won the battle of the bands. They and the result - a disappointing 1-1 tie - silenced England's fans, who usually are among the best-drilled noisemakers in football.

They take their singing seriously, with chants that are cheeky, taunting and often just insulting. But at least they are inventive, too.

The same cannot be said of vuvuzelas. They are simply mindless. Their pitch doesn't change, just the intensity. Blow hard. Blow soft. The only range is from horrifically loud to just annoyingly so. Because of that, we absolutely could not hear the rich African voices of Ghana fans who sang lustily Sunday at the Loftus Versfeld in Pretoria, vibrantly clothed in their national colors of green and red. What a shame.




Please, South Africa, make the trumpets stop. Give us a song, instead.

The same cannot be said of vuvuzelas. They are simply mindless. Their pitch doesn't change, only the intensity. Blow hard. Blow soft. The only range is from horrifically loud to just annoyingly so.

Please, South Africa, make them stop. Give us a song, instead.

John Leicester is an international sports columnist for The Associated Press. Write to him at jleicester(at)ap.org.

Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: giggsy11 on June 13, 2010, 05:02:07 PM
If it hard tuh take watchin on Tv ah wonder how it is tuh be sittin in the stands and jus surrounded by dat sound. Ah also watin tuh hear about the first setta blows tuh pass because a spectator geh annoyed by someone blowin one of dem.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: kicker on June 13, 2010, 05:21:58 PM
As far as the sound of the vuvuzela, it doh bother me....but I agree that it takes away from the sounds of the actual crowd and that is annoying.  Yuh cyah even hear the crowd roar when the ball hits the net...Iz pure horn at a consistent decibel from start tuh finish- That I have a problem with. 
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bitter on June 13, 2010, 05:25:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/M3xDWk9vbNw
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Tallman on June 13, 2010, 05:51:15 PM
Iz pure horn at a consistent decibel from start tuh finish- That I have a problem with. 

Is only ah horn if yuh take it orn.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bakes on June 13, 2010, 05:56:35 PM
I reading the comments on the NYT website and ah man say "No more Alexi Lalazela"


 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: FF on June 13, 2010, 06:02:17 PM
Iz pure horn at a consistent decibel from start tuh finish- That I have a problem with. 

Is only ah horn if yuh take it orn.

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Pointman on June 13, 2010, 06:55:22 PM
I find Tommy Smith far more annoying than the vuvuzela  ;D

Tommy Smyth used to real annoy me too, 'til Lalas started commenting on the Cup. BTW regarding the vuvuzelas...haul dey ass!!!!
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 13, 2010, 06:57:08 PM
If it hard tuh take watchin on Tv ah wonder how it is tuh be sittin in the stands and jus surrounded by dat sound. Ah also watin tuh hear about the first setta blows tuh pass because a spectator geh annoyed by someone blowin one of dem.

  Yuh eh go hear 'bout it!
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: kicker on June 13, 2010, 07:07:38 PM
Iz pure horn at a consistent decibel from start tuh finish- That I have a problem with. 

Is only ah horn if yuh take it orn.

 :rotfl: :rotfl:

good one... ah set yuh up good fuh that one...
Title: Vuvuzelas might yet be banned from World Cup
Post by: xixgon on June 13, 2010, 08:19:45 PM
Vuvuzelas might yet be banned from World Cup

By Ryan Bailey - Yahoo! Sports

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For those who don't ride on the crest of every Internet-football-hot-topic wave, the unrelenting foghorn-esque noise you have heard at World Cup games is produced by an instrument known as a vuvuzela -- a three-foot-long plastic trumpet traditionally blown throughout games to create an atmosphere. However, by pumping out sound up to 130 decibels -- 10 decibels above the human pain threshold -- they also are associated with causing hearing loss and communication problems on the pitch.

Some 20 years after being introduced to the game in the early 1990s, the instrument came to prominence on the world stage during the 2009 Confederations Cup. TV stations were upset by the "goat being slaughtered" timbre, while players complained that they couldn't hear themselves think over the din. "It doesn't allow you to concentrate and it's unbearable," Spanish player Xabi Alonso said at the time. FIFA head honcho Sepp Blatter, however, pooh-poohed calls to ban the vuvuzela for World Cup 2010, insisting that we should not attempt to "Europeanize" the African tournament.

As expected, the vuvu has caused quite a kerfuffle at WC 2010 thus far. The drone has been giving TV networks and commentators grief, and FIFA General Secretary Jerome Valcke has reportedly toyed with the idea of handing out free earplugs in stadiums to avoid the barrage of lawsuits from the newly hard of hearing.

World Cup organizing committee head Danny Jordaan addressed the issue Sunday, and refused to rule out a ban. From the AFP:


    "We have asked for no vuvuzelas during national anthems or during stadium announcements. I know it's a difficult question," he added, saying that "we're trying to manage the best we can.

    "We heard from the broadcasters and individuals and it's something we are evaluating on an on-going base.

    Jordaan told the BBC in an interview that he had to consider the option of banning the trumpets.

    "If there are grounds to do so, yes," he said, asked if a ban was an option.



France captain Patrice Evra added fuel to the fire, claiming that the vuvuzela is the reason his side were so awful on Friday night:

   
"We can't sleep at night because of the vuvuzelas. People start playing them from 6 a.m. We can't hear  one another out on the pitch because of them."


The vuvuzela is clearly much more than an irritating novelty; it's a divisive issue that is threatening the health of fans, affecting the quality of performances and ultimately putting people off of tuning in (will you honestly feel enthused to watch Slovakia vs. Paraguay knowing you'll have to endure 90 minutes of the sound of an angry beehive going through a blender?).

Yet at the same time, Blatter is right (for once) when he says we should not impose Western values on South Africa. A ban would rob the tournament of part of its cultural identity, leaving thousands of locals perplexed: could you imagine being told by an international body that you could no longer drink beer at American football games, or fall asleep during baseball? The South Africans wouldn't take too kindly to having a national institution removed.

As a compromise, perhaps the vuvuzela could be adapted so it isn't quite so loud? Or maybe it could be adjusted to produce a nice noise like the sound of John Mayer gargling honey?
Title: Re: Vuvuzelas might yet be banned from World Cup
Post by: ribbit on June 13, 2010, 08:57:56 PM
any chance some of that noise-cancellation technology featuring in headphones could be used in the broadcasts to dampen that noise? the signal is fairly regular. they need to work on a john harkes filter one time.
Title: Re: Vuvuzelas might yet be banned from World Cup
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 13, 2010, 11:54:55 PM
Efan Ekoku begged the question duing the broadcast of one of the games on Sunday, if evra would have complained about the vuvuzelas had france won their game.......I wonder if we will hear any complints from any team or team representative if/when they win their games?  All these people that (claim to) have an issue with the thing need to ride out and go to f**k home.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: DeSoWa on June 14, 2010, 12:09:08 AM
I doh know, but for me, when ah hear that sound, I just associate it with the South African world cup experience, i get used to it...if they take it away, watching the WC in SA would feel strange and different...just my take.


Big Up!
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 14, 2010, 12:20:56 AM
I doh know, but for me, when ah hear that sound, I just associate it with the South African world cup experience, i get used to it...if they take it away, watching the WC in SA would feel strange and different...just my take.


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    All the people who complaining about them is people who just go to the games or sit dong in front dey tv to watch the games like dey is robots.  I hope the South African officials stand firm to any pressure to ban the things. patrice evra come off like a rel lil bitch to me.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Zeppo on June 14, 2010, 03:50:56 AM
The thing is that there are plenty of South Africans who can't stand the vuvuzelas either. Just check out that article (http://www.timeslive.co.za/opinion/columnists/article476668.ece/Nothing-kills-the-joy-of-soccer-like-a-bunch-of-wailing-vuvuzelas) I posted earlier in the thread. As the writer states, they are not part of a long tradition in the country but rather something that started appearing en masse only in the mid-2000s. And South Africans always had a great tradition of singing songs at games, but now they can no longer be heard.

For me personally, I just tend to naturally tune them out once the game gets started. But I can understand why they might be irritating for the players, broadcasters and other fans in the stadia.

I agree with the sentiment that FIFA should be careful not to try and Europeanize every World Cup. But it wouldn't exactly break my heart if they were to ban them either.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bakes on June 14, 2010, 04:38:02 AM
I'm not buying the cultural aspect of this controversy... it's not like these are indigenous instruments dating back to pre-colonial times, they probably import these shits at 25 cents a dozen from China and there is very little art or appeal to them.  Trivializing the controversy here fails to take into account that for all the talk FIFA is driven by fan and corporate support.  During the opening game it was so loud that it was difficult at first to hear Martin Tyler and Efan Ekoku during the pre-game ceremonies, and got only marginally better from there on.  I can't even imagine what it's like to sit thru that live and in person.  It's great that we want South Africans to enjoy themselves but had this been a European country I doubt there would be as much sympathy.  If broadcasters and fans are complaining then FIFA has every right to re-visit the issue.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: PantherX on June 14, 2010, 05:02:45 AM
I was in favor of the vuvuzela figuring that it was part of the local flavor but after watching the games so far I'm in favor of banning it.

To me it's killing the world cup atmosphere.  The crowd chants, singing, and drums are completely drowned in the vuvuzela drone. You can barely even hear the crowd roar when a goal is scored.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Brownsugar on June 14, 2010, 05:46:59 AM
Yeah I was one who was all for it.   But nah dem thing noisy no arse!!!....but ah feel FIFA eh goh want to touch this one, so folks enjoy....it real killing the atmosphere for true.  Imagine watching one of these games years down the road, all you would hear is this mindless noise......
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Arimaman on June 14, 2010, 06:38:34 AM
That thing downright annoying.  Get rid of that...I want to hear the commentary and hear the roar of the crowd.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Socapro on June 14, 2010, 06:59:18 AM
That thing downright annoying.  Get rid of that...I want to hear the commentary and hear the roar of the crowd.

The crowd have no time to roar when they all blowing!!  :devil:

The only way this vuvuzela craze is going to die out for this SA World Cup is if hives of killer bees swarm down and sting everyone who blowing it and scientist then state that blowing the vuvuzela is a direct signal to killer bees to come and attack you for pretending to be one of them and threatening their esteemed position in the insect world! :D  :party:
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: xixgon on June 14, 2010, 07:36:49 AM
There are more reasons to ban them than not to - for the sake of practicality - if not just the overwhelming condemnation.

Thas not even gettin into the issues with the Jabulani ball as well yes :)
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: giggsy11 on June 14, 2010, 08:03:51 AM
That thing downright annoying.  Get rid of that...I want to hear the commentary and hear the roar of the crowd.

The crowd have no time to roar when they all blowing!!  :devil:

The only way this vuvuzela craze is going to die out for this SA World Cup is if hives of killer bees swarm down and sting everyone who blowing it and scientist then state that blowing the vuvuzela is a direct signal to killer bees to come and attack you for pretending to be one of them and threatening their esteemed position in the insect world! :D  :party:

What crowd; yuh aint hear about all the empty seats? The noise might be doing them a favor.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: kicker on June 14, 2010, 08:41:40 AM
I was cool with vuvuzela in the beginning but I'm starting to switch allegiance.  It's not the mere sound of it that bothers me- I cool with that, but the collective and incessant drone kinda getting old now...  It's neither rhythmic nor melodic and yuh lose the sound of the crowd.  Goal scoring and all yuh could hear is BAWWWWW BAWWWWWW BAWWWWWWW....just like if it was no f**king goal...  Every second of the game is the same monotone shite...  Yuh cyah hear a drum, a trumpet, a chant, a song nuttin....just BAWWWWW BAWWWWW BAWWWWW.  

I understand that it's South African culture, but iz not only South Africa playing in the cup- other cultures deserve to do their thing without being completely drowned out by the vuvuzela...

If they ban it, I wouldn't be sad...especially now since the players are complaining.  
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Brownsugar on June 14, 2010, 08:46:32 AM
Well the Japanese are trying to beat some drums and get some kinda rhythm going in this one, but geez and ages I eh looking forward to a month of this noise!!!!
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: weary1969 on June 14, 2010, 08:47:42 AM
Yeah I was one who was all for it.   But nah dem thing noisy no arse!!!....but ah feel FIFA eh goh want to touch this one, so folks enjoy....it real killing the atmosphere for true.  Imagine watching one of these games years down the road, all you would hear is this mindless noise......

It like Panorama in between d pan only riddum section
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Trinimassive on June 14, 2010, 09:19:07 AM
We need them Vuvuzelas in T&T.

We have the opposite problem. No noise. Since we play shyte anyway it will mostly affect visiting teams, throw dem off

Bring the Vuvuzelas here
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: FF on June 14, 2010, 11:46:24 AM
We need them Vuvuzelas in T&T.

We have the opposite problem. No noise. Since we play shyte anyway it will mostly affect visiting teams, throw dem off

Bring the Vuvuzelas here

(http://www.ihasaids.com/upload/data/1276623271.gif)
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bourbon on June 14, 2010, 11:51:07 AM
Allyuh just doh understand how to use de vuvuzelas nah. Look a tutorial.

(http://i.imgur.com/TMRvl.png)
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: supporter on June 14, 2010, 11:56:44 AM
I'm not buying the cultural aspect of this controversy... it's not like these are indigenous instruments dating back to pre-colonial times, they probably import these shits at 25 cents a dozen from China and there is very little art or appeal to them.  Trivializing the controversy here fails to take into account that for all the talk FIFA is driven by fan and corporate support.  During the opening game it was so loud that it was difficult at first to hear Martin Tyler and Efan Ekoku during the pre-game ceremonies, and got only marginally better from there on.  I can't even imagine what it's like to sit thru that live and in person.  It's great that we want South Africans to enjoy themselves but had this been a European country I doubt there would be as much sympathy.  If broadcasters and fans are complaining then FIFA has every right to re-visit the issue.

+1......This is not a cultural issue, nor is it a racial one. People make it seem cultural perhaps because its Africa lol. This is an aesthetics issue. What if the WC was held somewhere else and every fan brought a giant boombox and blared out a loop of someone scratching on a chalkboard? You cant accept something at the expense of the greater good just for 'cultural sake'. You want to host a WC, then welcome everyone by stopping with those damn horns. Even if one argues its cultural does not mean it is necessary and imperative that it be a accepted at the WC.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: dinho on June 14, 2010, 11:57:10 AM
adapt or go home!
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: DeSoWa on June 14, 2010, 12:46:35 PM
When are they going to ban RACIST chants!  ::)

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Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: palos on June 14, 2010, 12:55:33 PM
When are they going to ban RACIST chants!  ::)

Big Up!

Very good point.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: weary1969 on June 14, 2010, 01:12:44 PM
adapt or go home!

 :beermug:
When are they going to ban RACIST chants!  ::)

Big Up!

WELL SAIDDDDDDDD
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 14, 2010, 02:06:25 PM
adapt or go home!

 :beermug:
When are they going to ban RACIST chants!  ::)

Big Up!

WELL SAIDDDDDDDD

   VERY WELL SAID.  All who doh like it could watch american sports...nice, quiet, boring and intermittent chants of "DE-FENSE!!" (how exciting!)....and the commentary on the television comin' through loud and clear.  When the WC was played in Argentina in '78 the players had to play thorugh constant streams of confettie, toilet paper and damned near as much noise.......nobody complained. 
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bitter on June 14, 2010, 02:24:45 PM
http://vuvuzela.ytmnd.com/
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Mr Fix-it on June 14, 2010, 02:28:12 PM
http://vuvuzela.ytmnd.com/

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: daryn on June 14, 2010, 04:13:33 PM
you can get rid of the Vuvuzela noise if you have digital equalizer...Just set up a band-stop filter at 233Hz (with secondaries at 466Hz, 932 Hz and 1864Hz)...

details & Logic set-up (in German) : http://www.surfpoeten.de/tube/
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: FF on June 14, 2010, 04:23:20 PM
you can get rid of the Vuvuzela noise if you have digital equalizer...Just set up a band-stop filter at 233Hz (with secondaries at 466Hz, 932 Hz and 1864Hz)...

details & Logic set-up (in German) : http://www.surfpoeten.de/tube/

allyuh RPI men eh easy at all nah...

how to drown out Alexi Lalas?
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: lefty on June 14, 2010, 04:37:07 PM
you can get rid of the Vuvuzela noise if you have digital equalizer...Just set up a band-stop filter at 233Hz (with secondaries at 466Hz, 932 Hz and 1864Hz)...

details & Logic set-up (in German) : http://www.surfpoeten.de/tube/

allyuh RPI men eh easy at all nah...

how to drown out Alexi Lalas?


jeezan..........ff :beermug: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: what I go do witout allyuh boy :beermug:

Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: daryn on June 14, 2010, 04:42:19 PM
you can get rid of the Vuvuzela noise if you have digital equalizer...Just set up a band-stop filter at 233Hz (with secondaries at 466Hz, 932 Hz and 1864Hz)...

details & Logic set-up (in German) : http://www.surfpoeten.de/tube/

allyuh RPI men eh easy at all nah...

how to drown out Alexi Lalas?

I can assure you that all the best people are working on it.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: giggsy11 on June 14, 2010, 07:47:12 PM
Ah bet half of the blowin is being done by a bunch ah wannabe tourists who jus wanna be apart of the scene. The coaches and the players should aim dey criticisms at dey own supporters.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: xixgon on June 14, 2010, 08:04:22 PM
adapt or go home!

 :beermug:
When are they going to ban RACIST chants!  ::)

Big Up!

WELL SAIDDDDDDDD

   VERY WELL SAID.  All who doh like it could watch american sports...nice, quiet, boring and intermittent chants of "DE-FENSE!!" (how exciting!)....and the commentary on the television comin' through loud and clear.  When the WC was played in Argentina in '78 the players had to play thorugh constant streams of confettie, toilet paper and damned near as much noise.......nobody complained. 

You could try and stop materials from comin into a match - you cah stop a man mouth from comin in.

The vuvuzuelas have very little redeeming qualities if any - people enitled to their opinion - and that opinion seems to be in the majority. On both the Fan AND Player side.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: kicker on June 14, 2010, 09:39:18 PM
Allyuh just doh understand how to use de vuvuzelas nah. Look a tutorial.

(http://i.imgur.com/TMRvl.png)

 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Babalawo on June 14, 2010, 10:42:12 PM
dem Dutch feel they own and run any thing in South Africa eh   >:(  leave the thing, it's unique to this WC and culture
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: DeSoWa on June 14, 2010, 11:16:35 PM
adapt or go home!

 :beermug:
When are they going to ban RACIST chants!  ::)

Big Up!

WELL SAIDDDDDDDD

   VERY WELL SAID.  All who doh like it could watch american sports...nice, quiet, boring and intermittent chants of "DE-FENSE!!" (how exciting!)....and the commentary on the television comin' through loud and clear.  When the WC was played in Argentina in '78 the players had to play thorugh constant streams of confettie, toilet paper and damned near as much noise.......nobody complained. 

You could try and stop materials from comin into a match - you cah stop a man mouth from comin in.

The vuvuzuelas have very little redeeming qualities if any - people enitled to their opinion - and that opinion seems to be in the majority. On both the Fan AND Player side.

So if the FANS are against it...um who is it that is blowin them at the games? al qaeda?

Big Up!
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: pecan on June 15, 2010, 06:39:52 AM


So if the FANS are against it...um who is it that is blowin them at the games? al qaeda?

Big Up!

nah, is that boy is the vuvuzela tutorial. He is to blame ;D
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: xixgon on June 15, 2010, 04:31:42 PM
adapt or go home!

 :beermug:
When are they going to ban RACIST chants!  ::)

Big Up!

WELL SAIDDDDDDDD

   VERY WELL SAID.  All who doh like it could watch american sports...nice, quiet, boring and intermittent chants of "DE-FENSE!!" (how exciting!)....and the commentary on the television comin' through loud and clear.  When the WC was played in Argentina in '78 the players had to play thorugh constant streams of confettie, toilet paper and damned near as much noise.......nobody complained. 

You could try and stop materials from comin into a match - you cah stop a man mouth from comin in.

The vuvuzuelas have very little redeeming qualities if any - people enitled to their opinion - and that opinion seems to be in the majority. On both the Fan AND Player side.

So if the FANS are against it...um who is it that is blowin them at the games? al qaeda?

Big Up!

Between the fans following it abroad and the fans not blowing it in the stadium, there are far more against it. By the way, only a minority need to be blowing it for the sound to fill the stadium, that's what the stadium and the horns are designed for.

If anyone arguing for them can give me more points for keeping them, then please do so.

Big Up!


Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: giggsy11 on June 15, 2010, 08:41:40 PM
I have actually become conditioned to the sound-I just think of it as crowd noise. It will also be one of the most memorable and distinctive things about this World Cup.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 15, 2010, 09:41:10 PM
adapt or go home!

 :beermug:
When are they going to ban RACIST chants!  ::)

Big Up!

WELL SAIDDDDDDDD

   VERY WELL SAID.  All who doh like it could watch american sports...nice, quiet, boring and intermittent chants of "DE-FENSE!!" (how exciting!)....and the commentary on the television comin' through loud and clear.  When the WC was played in Argentina in '78 the players had to play thorugh constant streams of confettie, toilet paper and damned near as much noise.......nobody complained. 

You could try and stop materials from comin into a match - you cah stop a man mouth from comin in.

The vuvuzuelas have very little redeeming qualities if any - people enitled to their opinion - and that opinion seems to be in the majority. On both the Fan AND Player side.


....so you and which three armies was going to try and stop them South African fans (along with how many other visiting fans from other countries) from bringing their vuvuzelas to the matches, Jed?   Allyuh good oui!  There was NO attempt made to stop the Argentinian fans from bringing in their toilet paper and confetti, unless they hid them in their mouths, and any footage of the Final in '78 will give you an idea of what the fields looked like. 
The vuvuzelas are here to stay so get over it already!
As far as I am concerned, the television production crews are doing a great job in making the broadcasters be heard above the drone of the vuvuzelas, so I ain't gonna be one of them people that are sitting at home watching it on television, and pretending to make them an issue just so I could jump on the bandwagon of complainers. Nor am I in the stands to experience the true atmosphere of the game and their effect.  In fact, for every goal that has been scored in this WC, I have been able to hear the crowds' reactions above the drone.   If I'm really lucky, though, my favourite games will be without any input from john harkes and/or alexi lalas because even the imported, British commentators seem to be on orders to make some reference to the usa whenever they find opportunity to do so, whenever either of them are around.  Them two are far more annoying to me than a room full of vuvuzelas.   
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bakes on June 15, 2010, 09:53:39 PM

....so you and which three armies was going to try and stop them South African fans (along with how many other visiting fans from other countries) from bringing their vuvuzelas to the matches, Jed?   Allyuh good oui!  There was NO attempt made to stop the Argentinian fans from bringing in their toilet paper and confetti, unless they hid them in their mouths, and any footage of the Final in '78 will give you an idea of what the fields looked like. 

33 years ago the World Cup also wasn't broadcast live... and even then was broadcast to only a few countries around the world... most people saw tape-delays. A lot has changed in the last 33 years to the point that the players made it a point to step on two balloons on the field during the France-Uruguay (I think it was) match last weekend.  Toilet paper wouldn't be tolerated today so I'm not sure what your point is.

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The vuvuzelas are here to stay so get over it already! 
As far as I am concerned, the television production crews are doing a great job in making the broadcasters be heard above the drone of the vuvuzelas, so I ain't gonna be one of them people that are sitting at home watching it on television, and pretending to make them an issue just so I could jump on the bandwagon of complainers. Nor am I in the stands to experience the true atmosphere of the game and their effect.  In fact, for every goal that has been scored in this WC, I have been able to hear the crowds' reactions above the drone.      

You talking shit with that "pretending to make them an issue" to be on bandwagon talk.  if you are hearing the broadcasts above the drone it's not because people making too much of the noise, but precisely because the company broadcasting the feed has finally heard enough complaints and has decided to do something about it (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/16/sports/soccer/16vecsey.html?ref=soccer). 

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The company that feeds the picture and sound of the World Cup to subscribers around the world, Host Broadcast Services, said Tuesday that it had doubled the audio filters in order to cut down on the whining rasp of the vuvuzelas.

So you could thank that "bandwagon of complainers" that now you could better hear the broadcast.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Richard G. on June 15, 2010, 11:01:59 PM
How come the Germans didn't complain about them? Lets just call it plain old ignorance towards other people and their cultural identity (if it is part of their cultural identity). You know it's unreal. 500 people complained to BBC....out of how many millions?Maybe the world should complain about the Mexican wave, or the chanting, or thundersticks...People should really grow up. If yuh en like de noise tun dong yuh blasted volume.

Blessings and enjoy de night.
Richard G.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: dinho on June 15, 2010, 11:26:28 PM
like i said ADAPT OR GO HOME!

same stupid attitude is what cause foreigners to come into the West Indies and take away our drums, steelpan, musical instruments, coolers, food, rum and everything else that would have made a cricket World Cup in the West Indies inherantly West Indian... And of course we pander to that nonsense.

I say it doesn't matter if the instruments were adopted in 2000BC or last month, as long as its part and parcel of the South African football experience and it not causing any threat to life and limb then it belongs there.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Spursy on June 16, 2010, 02:38:40 AM
whats the big fuss... i kinda like it.. makes the game high tempo.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Zeppo on June 16, 2010, 04:51:31 AM
Broadcasters trying to filter out noisy vuvuzelas

TV viewers can take out their earplugs because the vuvuzelas are going to have a bit less buzz.

Host Broadcast Services, the company that provides the broadcast feed for the World Cup, said Tuesday it has doubled its audio filters to reduce the constant blaring buzz of vuvuzelas. TV viewers around the globe have complained that the swarm-of-bees sound from the plastic horns is stinging their ears.

“Despite HBS’ core philosophy, which is to provide ‘realistic’ host broadcast coverage reflecting the ambiance in the stadiums, additional audio filtering has been implemented,” according to the daily newsletter given to rightsholders Tuesday. 

(continue) (http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/37703564/)
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: pecan on June 16, 2010, 07:14:53 AM
In other sporting events, noise and other distractions are always a factor and the athletes and spectators can learn to tune it out or go home

1) Autoracing - ever attended a grand prix event?
2) Ice Hockey - when the crowd begins to chant in a closed stadium
3) Athletics - a high jumper gearing up to jump while the crowd is cheering another event
4) NFL football during a tense moment in a deciding play - ever listen to the noise of the crowd
5) Baseball - tied game, two out, bottom of the ninth, man on third - I suspect the stadium is not quiet
6) Little league soccer -ever listen to some of those parents?
7) etc, etc

As annoying as they might be, they are part of the SA WC experience. Good broadcasters will filter the noise so their viewing audience can hear what their commentators are saying.


 ... edit

Wait - a glaring exception is Golf.  You cannot even drop a pin in case you distract the golfer.  But then again, the golfers are a bunch of highly paid wusses who cant focus on their game unless the spectators are completely quiet. :devil:
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Jah Gol on June 16, 2010, 07:29:27 AM
Zeppo I see you like this topic. What is your view on it ?
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Zeppo on June 16, 2010, 07:35:10 AM
Zeppo I see you like this topic. What is your view on it ?

Check out reply #95 of this thread.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: kicker on June 16, 2010, 08:40:47 AM
It's not really a South Africa(n) issue per se- all fans are blowing them.

Manufacturers are to blame- made them too loud.  They drown out all other sounds, so all the games sound the same...at least over TV...  Too much talk about protection of culture when it's not the issue.  No one wants to take away from South African "culture", they just want to have an enjoyable experience.  The issue is that many can't enjoy the cup because the horns are too dominating.  It's the World Cup, not the South Africa Cup...just because South Africa is hosting it doesn't mean that their culture should completely dominate everyone else's especially to the point where enjoyment is being lost- the "adapt or go home" mentality is very selfish...that's not how you treat visitors.  That said, it's not South Africa's fault per se...They just exposed everyone to the horn, and people bought into it.....the horn manufacturers just made the horns too loud...and from what I've read, even South Africans are annoyed by them

If T&T were to host an International tournament, should all visitors just have to adapt or go home regarding our unofficial pull bull "taxi" culture, or our culture of not respecting orderly lines, what about buying a ticket to a game with no seat assignment? That works just fine in our culture... or should we try to cater to our visitors to make the experience my enjoyable? 

I think the diversity of atmosphere is being lost by the vuvuzela, and the other sounds of the crowd are being drowned out...every match feels the same- not to mention there's no rhythm or melody to those horns.  Would be nice to have a little more variety of instruments, chants etc...but after all is said and done, if yuh love football yuh will still enjoy the cup....
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bitter on June 16, 2010, 09:02:27 AM
(http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/How-I-picture-Africa.jpg)
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: lefty on June 16, 2010, 09:40:56 AM
(http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/How-I-picture-Africa.jpg)

how dis ting manage to get ah name wit four syllables boy, dis ting have one tone an you cyar seem to do anyting else odder dan blow..............u would tink dat man mouth and lungs would start to hurt after ah while
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Touches on June 16, 2010, 11:36:20 AM
They blowing them in time now...with a kinda riddim.

All they need is a man to orchestrate. A conductor nah.

Also I find it wrong to ban the people and dem instrument....same way we get vex when they try to ban our steel pan in Bahrain and Germany.

Besides I sure is level waist peltin in the stands to them plastic horn....People who there would have a different perspective of the "noise".

Same way iron, tassa and steel pan does sound like noise to the uninitiated.

Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Midknight on June 16, 2010, 12:13:51 PM
I have actually become conditioned to the sound-I just think of it as crowd noise. It will also be one of the most memorable and distinctive things about this World Cup.
yes. That and shitty play.

The first match I saw was Argentina - Nigeria replay in a bar with no sound. I haven't had a enjoyable match since then with the exception of the Spain - Switzerland match.

I understand all the pros and the cons, but the fact of the matter is when ah game boring, you could sing along to the chants or the (harmonic) trumpets etc. All you could do when the vuvuzelas droning on is accompany them:

zzz zzz zzz zzz zzz zzz zzz zzz zzz zzz zzz zzz zzz zzz zzz

which kinda sums up this entire first round of games
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 16, 2010, 03:32:37 PM

....so you and which three armies was going to try and stop them South African fans (along with how many other visiting fans from other countries) from bringing their vuvuzelas to the matches, Jed?   Allyuh good oui!  There was NO attempt made to stop the Argentinian fans from bringing in their toilet paper and confetti, unless they hid them in their mouths, and any footage of the Final in '78 will give you an idea of what the fields looked like. 

33 years ago the World Cup also wasn't broadcast live... and even then was broadcast to only a few countries around the world... most people saw tape-delays. A lot has changed in the last 33 years to the point that the players made it a point to step on two balloons on the field during the France-Uruguay (I think it was) match last weekend.  Toilet paper wouldn't be tolerated today so I'm not sure what your point is.

I dunno what shit you talkin' about live broadcast vs tape-delay and all that.  The PLAYERS had to play with streams of confetti and toilet paper cascading onto the playing area up to the final game between Argentina and Holland, which is far more of a distraction to the PLAYERS than vuvuzelas in the stadium today.  No coach or player BACK THEN made it an issue to publicize any issues with it like evra and whatever coaches did now.  








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The vuvuzelas are here to stay so get over it already! 
As far as I am concerned, the television production crews are doing a great job in making the broadcasters be heard above the drone of the vuvuzelas, so I ain't gonna be one of them people that are sitting at home watching it on television, and pretending to make them an issue just so I could jump on the bandwagon of complainers. Nor am I in the stands to experience the true atmosphere of the game and their effect.  In fact, for every goal that has been scored in this WC, I have been able to hear the crowds' reactions above the drone.      

You talking shit with that "pretending to make them an issue" to be on bandwagon talk.  if you are hearing the broadcasts above the drone it's not because people making too much of the noise, but precisely because the company broadcasting the feed has finally heard enough complaints and has decided to do something about it (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/16/sports/soccer/16vecsey.html?ref=soccer). 

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The company that feeds the picture and sound of the World Cup to subscribers around the world, Host Broadcast Services, said Tuesday that it had doubled the audio filters in order to cut down on the whining rasp of the vuvuzelas.

  Asshole, I talkin' about waggonists on this forum that I know are getting the same feed that I am and nothing has changed on ESPN OR on Univision.  The sounds of the vuvuzelas coming through during the games now are at the same levels they were during the RSA-Mexico game.  ESPN is responsible for doing it's sound production of its broadcast, not some third party....unless, you know for a fact, mister audio technician, that espn is incapable of taking a feed of "the sounds of the World cup" i.e. live play and stadium noise, from a third party and mixing it and re-distributing that at levels that would hinder its broadcast from the booth from being heard properly by its subscribers, i.e. people like you and Joe Schmoe, over here in the usa (and everybody else that is complaining about the "noise").   I guess until that so-called third party of yours had put in them additional fliters you speak about, john harkes and martin tyler and them must have had to have been SCREAMING into their microphones in order for you and Joe Schmoe to hear the broadcast.   
 

So you could thank that "bandwagon of complainers" that now you could better hear the broadcast.

   *******You so smart until you outsmart yuh own self. I now read the article you referenced.....according to it, your source, ESPN to proactive steps to filter out the vuvuzelas and never lobbied FIFA to ban them because they didn't have to.  Their experience with nascar and the nba gave them the expertise to properly transmit an event to its subscribers without interference from the noise of the event itself.  In other words, they had already taken steps to make sure the broadcast was not compromised from the word go.  That is my original point.  So I eh have to thank shit for no "better" broadcast.  As I said, it was good enough from the onset. It never got "better" ******
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: kicker on June 16, 2010, 04:00:17 PM
Mango just because players didn't complain about distractions in WC '78, doh mean that they don't have the right to voice a complaint about whatever they feel like today... If in this day and age, a man give yuh a 1978 heavy leather boots instead of the latest and greatest footwear of the modern era, a sweat collectin' juzzy instead of a dry fit, and a bamsee biting shorts, and tell yuh take that cause dais what we used tuh wear back in the day and nobody used tuh say nuttin'..... how it go look?  Times change, people change, demands change, some things we took forgranted back then we don't anymore today that's life...how yuh go decide what's good for everybody else based on what was the status quo over 30 years ago? 

And btw, I doubt that back in 1978 we were privy to as much as we are today by way of news and inside scoop... so the claim that players took no issue with confetti and TP on the field in itself might be ole talk.

People saying "if dey did win they wouldn't have complained"... of course not, that's obvious....yuh win, yuh win...yuh have other tings tuh study, smallees tuh pips, champagne tuh pop- who wins a game and complains about what went wrong? 

I cyah make up my mind on the vuvuzela...on one hand yuh hadda be somewhat willing to adapt to a different environment, and on the other hand the constant drone of dem horns real monotonous dread.... but if as touches say, the vuvus and dem giving man & woman in the crowd a nice lil rhythm to jam with (that just not coming across on TV), then so be it...End of the day the playing field is even- i.e. everybody dealing with it the same way...and as a fan, if yuh really love football, a vuvuzela eh preventing yuh from enjoying the cup.

Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: DeSoWa on June 16, 2010, 04:39:42 PM
All i have to say is...I see lots of shots of fans in the stadiums, and a lot without the Vs and they ent look like it bothering them one bit...man I am sure if it was that annoying, all them big time dignitaries (sp) (ah too lazy to make sure ah spell it right lol) woulda fine ah way to stop it by now.

Ah wonder if 50% ah trinis (dat includes bagos too) use to go to games with ah counch shell and blow, how would that affect the game and would you agree to a ban on them?

Big Up!
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 16, 2010, 04:53:57 PM
Mango just because players didn't complain about distractions in WC '78, doh mean that they don't have the right to voice a complaint about whatever they feel like today... If in this day and age, a man give yuh a 1978 heavy leather boots instead of the latest and greatest footwear of the modern era, a sweat collectin' juzzy instead of a dry fit, and a bamsee biting shorts, and tell yuh take that cause dais what we used tuh wear back in the day and nobody used tuh say nuttin'..... how it go look?  Times change, people change, demands change, some things we took forgranted back then we don't anymore today that's life...how yuh go decide what's good for everybody else based on what was the status quo over 30 years ago? 

   Kicker, all dem ting you referenced there are things that were part and parcel of the actual playing of the game itself and would have affected players all around the world, whether they made it to Argentina or not.  The atmosphere in Argentina is the best one I could use because it is similar to the vuvzelas in that it is a "distraction" not part and parcel of the actual universal experience of playing of the game itself.  It was an atmosphere that would have been something new to most of the players, if not all, except for the Argentinians.  


And btw, I doubt that back in 1978 we were privy to as much as we are today by way of news and inside scoop... so the claim that players took no issue with confetti and TP on the field in itself might be ole talk.

That is why I said "publicly".   Times may have changed, but The World Cup has always been among the biggest sporting events in the world.  What hasn't changed is, that if something related to the event is newsworthy now, it was newsworthy back then, too.  Even in this day and age, that atmosphere is still prevalent in Argentinian football and damned near unique to it.   Holland lost and took their loss.  No complaints.....public ones, and I doubt seriously that all the research in the world is going to come up with any.  Brazil was sent home and all the talk behind the scenes and publicly was about a Peruvian sellout to Argentina.    




People saying "if dey did win they wouldn't have complained"... of course not, that's obvious....yuh win, yuh win...yuh have other tings tuh study, smallees tuh pips, champagne tuh pop- who wins a game and complains about what went wrong? 

I cyah make up my mind on the vuvuzela...on one hand yuh hadda be somewhat willing to adapt to a different environment, and on the other hand the constant drone of dem horns real monotonous dread.... but if as touches say, the vuvus and dem giving man & woman in the crowd a nice lil rhythm to jam with (that just not coming across on TV), then so be it...End of the day the playing field is even- i.e. everybody dealing with it the same way...


and as a fan, if yuh really love football, a vuvuzela eh preventing yuh from enjoying the cup.

That is exactly what some of us are saying.  None of us watching it on television, especially ESPN with their somehow newly enhanced filters, according to THE resident sound tech, are going to somehow unusually refrain from celebrating like we normally do if our respective teams score a goal or ress a beat or play some nice football and hit a post or a crossbar.  Men that being so vociferous in their issue with the instrument, simply lookin' for something to complain about.  My opinion and my opinion only.  
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bakes on June 16, 2010, 07:26:09 PM
I dunno what shit you talkin' about live broadcast vs tape-delay and all that.  The PLAYERS had to play with streams of confetti and toilet paper cascading onto the playing area up to the final game between Argentina and Holland, which is far more of a distraction to the PLAYERS than vuvuzelas in the stadium today.  No coach or player BACK THEN made it an issue to publicize any issues with it like evra and whatever coaches did now.
 

Tuntunhole... the point of the matter is that you can't compare what took place 30 years ago and say if it was good enough then it should be good enough now.  The point about the tape delays... since it obviously went over your head... is that unlike then, now there are millions of dollars tied up in World Cup broadcasting.  So all ah dat confetti and toilet paper yuh trumpeting wouldn't pass muster today because broadcasters who have invested millions wouldn't stand for it.  Back then not too many people watched the World Cup on TV, and whomever was lucky enough to see it on TV wouldn't mind the confetti and toilet paper.  To use that as a baseline undermines your analogy because today the viewing dynamics have changed as have the stake involved.  Given your obvious cognitive deficiencies I won't be surprised if all of that still ends up lost on you.

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The vuvuzelas are here to stay so get over it already! 
As far as I am concerned, the television production crews are doing a great job in making the broadcasters be heard above the drone of the vuvuzelas, so I ain't gonna be one of them people that are sitting at home watching it on television, and pretending to make them an issue just so I could jump on the bandwagon of complainers. Nor am I in the stands to experience the true atmosphere of the game and their effect.  In fact, for every goal that has been scored in this WC, I have been able to hear the crowds' reactions above the drone.     

Actually the quality of the sound has improved... whether you choose to recognize that or not.  The Vuvuzelas resonate at a particular frequency and that frequency has been isolated and filtered.  Again, I don't expect you to understand any of that.

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ESPN is responsible for doing it's sound production of its broadcast, not some third party....unless, you know for a fact, mister audio technician, that espn is incapable of taking a feed of "the sounds of the World cup" i.e. live play and stadium noise, from a third party and mixing it and re-distributing that at levels that would hinder its broadcast from the booth from being heard properly by its subscribers, i.e. people like you and Joe Schmoe, over here in the usa (and everybody else that is complaining about the "noise").   I guess until that so-called third party of yours had put in them additional fliters you speak about, john harkes and martin tyler and them must have had to have been SCREAMING into their microphones in order for you and Joe Schmoe to hear the broadcast.

Backsidehole... since, yuh want to resort to ad hominems... ESPN IS NOT doing it's own sound production, nor is ABC... nor is Univision  The company which has sole authority for broadcasting the games is Host Broadcast Services... as was clearly stated in that link I provided.  Maybe you'd like a nice note in crayon next time since you clearly have problems reading what's on your screen.  HBS provides the feed on behalf of FIFA to the global networks whom themselves have purchased the rights to transmit the signal to their proprietary regions around the world.

http://www.hbs.tv/orientation/
 
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   *******You so smart until you outsmart yuh own self. I now read the article you referenced.....according to it, your source, ESPN to proactive steps to filter out the vuvuzelas and never lobbied FIFA to ban them because they didn't have to.  Their experience with nascar and the nba gave them the expertise to properly transmit an event to its subscribers without interference from the noise of the event itself.  In other words, they had already taken steps to make sure the broadcast was not compromised from the word go.  That is my original point.  So I eh have to thank shit for no "better" broadcast.  As I said, it was good enough from the onset. It never got "better" ******

You need to take some ah dat Argentinian toilet paper yuh keep talking about and wipe yuh computer screen, because you ent typing nutten but ah setta shit.  Furthermore yuh conclusively demonstrate that basic reading comprehension is beyond your grasp.  ESPN took steps on their end to filter the feed they received from HBS.  HBS, after taking note of the complaints from broadcasters doubled the filter.  I'd tell you to read the article again... but that would just be a further waste of time absent pictures and stick figure diagrams.  None of the broadcasters understandably want to go on record as having complained about the vuvuzelas for fear that they'd be portrayed as "culturally" insensitive to SA.  All along people have been hesitant to criticize the SA effort, a) b/c FIFA has frowned upon such criticism; and b) because they know that it inevitably will have dotish people who will take criticism of the S. African effort as anti-African sentiment... and some ignorant black people will get all up in arms in knee-jerk reaction to it.

You could continue to deny that the sound hasn't gotten "better" all you want, but the difference is clear... and the broadcaster has revealed as much.  Your name-calling only seems more amusing given the fact that you clearly read and don't understand what it is yuh reading, so to compensate for that yuh start with yuh hormonal ranting.  Unbunch yuh panties and try and understand what it is yuh reading next time.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bakes on June 16, 2010, 07:28:34 PM
All i have to say is...I see lots of shots of fans in the stadiums, and a lot without the Vs and they ent look like it bothering them one bit...man I am sure if it was that annoying, all them big time dignitaries (sp) (ah too lazy to make sure ah spell it right lol) woulda fine ah way to stop it by now.

Ah wonder if 50% ah trinis (dat includes bagos too) use to go to games with ah counch shell and blow, how would that affect the game and would you agree to a ban on them?

Big Up!

According to reports half them people in the stands walking with dey earplugs.  Unfortunately for TV viewers who opposed to the noise we don't have that luxury... the broadcast is part of the experience for us, not everybody could watch the game without sound.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bakes on June 16, 2010, 08:49:21 PM
Best argument yet in favor of banning the vulvulazelas...

http://www.youtube.com/v/8HmDVz1ED84&feature=player_embedded


LOL... hilarious!
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bitter on June 16, 2010, 11:45:16 PM
Now that song stuck in my head.
It would have been perfect if they had included a constant vuvuzela background.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 17, 2010, 03:44:33 AM
I dunno what shit you talkin' about live broadcast vs tape-delay and all that.  The PLAYERS had to play with streams of confetti and toilet paper cascading onto the playing area up to the final game between Argentina and Holland, which is far more of a distraction to the PLAYERS than vuvuzelas in the stadium today.  No coach or player BACK THEN made it an issue to publicize any issues with it like evra and whatever coaches did now.
 

Tuntunhole... the point of the matter is that you can't compare what took place 30 years ago and say if it was good enough then it should be good enough now.  The point about the tape delays... since it obviously went over your head... is that unlike then, now there are millions of dollars tied up in World Cup broadcasting.  So all ah dat confetti and toilet paper yuh trumpeting wouldn't pass muster today because broadcasters who have invested millions wouldn't stand for it.  Back then not too many people watched the World Cup on TV, and whomever was lucky enough to see it on TV wouldn't mind the confetti and toilet paper.  To use that as a baseline undermines your analogy because today the viewing dynamics have changed as have the stake involved.  Given your obvious cognitive deficiencies I won't be surprised if all of that still ends up lost on you.

   Boy, if there's a bigger c**t than you in the world it must either be in a museum or buried, undiscovered, under millions of years of sedimentary rock in the Caucus mountains somewhere.  I am obviously referring to the so-called players' and coaches' complaints about the vuvzelas separate from the complaints of armchair assholes like yourself.....but I guess for all the talk of points going over people's heads, with your head being so far up your own ass (or maybe some other guy's own) you can't tell what's going over or under your own damned head.  The complaints that are coming from the area of the pitch, i.e. the players and/or the coaches, like patrice evra and the dutch coach, have nothing to do with tape delay or broadcast and "viewing dynamics" yuh c**t! Their experiences with the stadium atmosphere can only come from the perspective of playing and communicating on the field of play. WTF you goin' on about broadcast for?? 
Furthermore, if Argentina were to host a WC in the near future, the atmosphere would be the same, just as it is in their domestic league.  However, I guess the advertisers for those games don't mind the confetti.



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The vuvuzelas are here to stay so get over it already! 
As far as I am concerned, the television production crews are doing a great job in making the broadcasters be heard above the drone of the vuvuzelas, so I ain't gonna be one of them people that are sitting at home watching it on television, and pretending to make them an issue just so I could jump on the bandwagon of complainers. Nor am I in the stands to experience the true atmosphere of the game and their effect.  In fact, for every goal that has been scored in this WC, I have been able to hear the crowds' reactions above the drone.     

Actually the quality of the sound has improved... whether you choose to recognize that or not.  The Vuvuzelas resonate at a particular frequency and that frequency has been isolated and filtered.  Again, I don't expect you to understand any of that.  No it has not, plain and simple.  Nothing to "understand". Would you like me to send you a copy of the first and last games played and you can test it with your professional sound equipment and maccocious ears to see that the broadcasters can be heard just as loud and clear above the drone in the last game as they were in the first?  My original point is that the broadcast, as in the commentary, can be heard loud and clear above the vuvuzelas 

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ESPN is responsible for doing it's sound production of its broadcast, not some third party....unless, you know for a fact, mister audio technician, that espn is incapable of taking a feed of "the sounds of the World cup" i.e. live play and stadium noise, from a third party and mixing it and re-distributing that at levels that would hinder its broadcast from the booth from being heard properly by its subscribers, i.e. people like you and Joe Schmoe, over here in the usa (and everybody else that is complaining about the "noise").   I guess until that so-called third party of yours had put in them additional fliters you speak about, john harkes and martin tyler and them must have had to have been SCREAMING into their microphones in order for you and Joe Schmoe to hear the broadcast.

Backsidehole... since, yuh want to resort to ad hominems... ESPN IS NOT doing it's own sound production, nor is ABC... nor is Univision  The company which has sole authority for broadcasting the games is Host Broadcast Services... as was clearly stated in that link I provided.  Maybe you'd like a nice note in crayon next time since you clearly have problems reading what's on your screen.  HBS provides the feed on behalf of FIFA to the global networks whom themselves have purchased the rights to transmit the signal to their proprietary regions around the world.

The ad hominenms are necessary and appropriate since you need to be held by the hand and explained that
 when I refer to "broadcast" on this subject, I am referring to the announcers, as in, the commentator and analyst teams giving us the play by play.  HBS is responsible for the overall video and audio production of the entire World Cup, but each of the subscribing Licencees, like ESPN, BBC etc., are allowed to add their own commentary even though HBS is providing english commentary for each of the 64 games.  See, this is where john harkes, Martin Tyler, Efan Ekoku and Co. come in. In being able to add their own commentary, ESPN gets some control of its own production/re-production or generically speaking, "broadcast" to package and distribute for you and Joe, Jackass. In doing so, they had already taken the necessary proactive steps to ensure that the vuvzelas would not interfere with their "broadcast" and they did that from the onset.  That is what your article in the New York Times states....unless you are suggesting that ESPN sent a team of broadcasters and analysts to Soth Africa (or where the f**k ever they are) without a production crew.   So I guess the Mix Adio that ESPN are using, they sent a runner to HBS with it and asked them to put it on their equipment. But even though you deleted the post I am sure you can go and still refer to it at your idiotic leisure.
   

   

http://www.hbs.tv/orientation/
 
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   *******You so smart until you outsmart yuh own self. I now read the article you referenced.....according to it, your source, ESPN to proactive steps to filter out the vuvuzelas and never lobbied FIFA to ban them because they didn't have to.  Their experience with nascar and the nba gave them the expertise to properly transmit an event to its subscribers without interference from the noise of the event itself.  In other words, they had already taken steps to make sure the broadcast was not compromised from the word go.  That is my original point.  So I eh have to thank shit for no "better" broadcast.  As I said, it was good enough from the onset. It never got "better" ******

You need to take some ah dat Argentinian toilet paper yuh keep talking about and wipe yuh computer screen, because you ent typing nutten but ah setta shit.  Furthermore yuh conclusively demonstrate that basic reading comprehension is beyond your grasp.  ESPN took steps on their end to filter the feed they received from HBS.  HBS, after taking note of the complaints from broadcasters doubled the filter.  I'd tell you to read the article again... but that would just be a further waste of time absent pictures and stick figure diagrams.  None of the broadcasters understandably want to go on record as having complained about the vuvuzelas for fear that they'd be portrayed as "culturally" insensitive to SA.  All along people have been hesitant to criticize the SA effort, a) b/c FIFA has frowned upon such criticism; and b) because they know that it inevitably will have dotish people who will take criticism of the S. African effort as anti-African sentiment... and some ignorant black people will get all up in arms in knee-jerk reaction to it.

You could continue to deny that the sound hasn't gotten "better" all you want, but the difference is clear... and the broadcaster has revealed as much.  Your name-calling only seems more amusing given the fact that you clearly read and don't understand what it is yuh reading, so to compensate for that yuh start with yuh hormonal ranting.  Unbunch yuh panties and try and understand what it is yuh reading next time.


   I could only continue to laugh at you.  You so bright 'til yuh become chupid again.  You love to talk about people cognitive skills and only displaying your own lack thereof and your obsession for visualizing men in panties.  You could research and google and wikipedia until yuh fingers fall off, but clearly have no field experience in half the shit yuh like to play yuh tryin' to talk down to people about.  I would pity the people responsible for bringing a c**t like you into this world, but since goat doh make sheep I should reserve my pity for the people that have to put up with the lot of you.  WHAT an ass!!   
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: pecan on June 17, 2010, 06:14:48 AM
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Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: giggsy11 on June 17, 2010, 06:18:03 AM
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 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: So I take it yuh not watchin the game or yuh have PIP?
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: pecan on June 17, 2010, 06:19:26 AM
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 :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: So I take it yuh not watchin the game?

multi tasking - TV in the office showing the game, Warrior Nation on one monitor and work on the second monitor

 :rotfl:
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: kicker on June 17, 2010, 07:44:00 AM
Vuvuzelas dividing the forum- ban them!

 :D
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: dinho on June 17, 2010, 07:49:42 AM
Vuvuzelas dividing the forum- ban them!

 :D

on the contrary, all the more reason to keep them around lol  (http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h104/pecan6/Emoticons/eatingpeanuts.gif)

Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: supporter on June 17, 2010, 08:59:08 AM
All i have to say is...I see lots of shots of fans in the stadiums, and a lot without the Vs and they ent look like it bothering them one bit...man I am sure if it was that annoying, all them big time dignitaries (sp) (ah too lazy to make sure ah spell it right lol) woulda fine ah way to stop it by now.



Really DeSoWa? to me, those fans look very uneasy and lifeless.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bourbon on June 17, 2010, 09:21:00 AM
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Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: ribbit on June 17, 2010, 09:28:17 AM
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;D
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: kicker on June 17, 2010, 12:49:52 PM
Voices drowning out vuvuzelas in the France - Mexico game...

First time I've observed in this cup. 
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Brownsugar on June 17, 2010, 01:29:43 PM
Voices drowning out vuvuzelas in the France - Mexico game...

First time I've observed in this cup. 

People must be getting fed up ah de blasted thing and gone back to creating true atmosphere...singing and chanting and beating drums....
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: FF on June 17, 2010, 01:54:54 PM
Voices drowning out vuvuzelas in the France - Mexico game...

First time I've observed in this cup. 

People must be getting fed up ah de blasted thing and gone back to creating true atmosphere...singing and chanting and beating drums....

or they filtering it better on the original feed... i notice less vuvuzelas in the greece nigeria game too
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 17, 2010, 03:27:24 PM
Voices drowning out vuvuzelas in the France - Mexico game...

First time I've observed in this cup. 

People must be getting fed up ah de blasted thing and gone back to creating true atmosphere...singing and chanting and beating drums....

or they filtering it better on the original feed... i notice less vuvuzelas in the greece nigeria game too


   ....maybe the South African spirit is broken after yesterday's loss and less of them attending the games....wit dey instruments.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bakes on June 17, 2010, 04:41:07 PM
Vuvuzelas dividing the forum- ban them!

 :D

Why yuh say dat?  Nah man... is nutten but Love, Peace and Nappiness!


or they filtering it better on the original feed... i notice less vuvuzelas in the greece nigeria game too

Well so de people dem who originating de feed say dey doing... but dat cyah be right, is break de poor South African and dem heart break and dey stop buying ticket... wit dey instruments of course.  Never mind de fact dat we know is not juss de Bafana Bafana fans deyself was blowing de "instrument from hell".
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Babalawo on June 17, 2010, 05:52:45 PM
Bringing the sensation to socawarriors.net.
http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/www.socawarriors.net/forum/

ah love it  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: FF on June 17, 2010, 06:04:58 PM
Bringing the sensation to socawarriors.net.
http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/www.socawarriors.net/forum/

ah love it  :rotfl:


ay yai yaiii...  :rotfl: it really catch me by surprise  ;D


EDIT: Allyuh open 5 windows of that link while you browsing...  :rotfl:

Midknight and Bake and Shark not allyuh... don't even open one
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bakes on June 17, 2010, 06:47:36 PM
Bringing the sensation to socawarriors.net.
http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/www.socawarriors.net/forum/

ah love it  :rotfl:


ay yai yaiii...  :rotfl: it really catch me by surprise  ;D


EDIT: Allyuh open 5 windows of that link while you browsing...  :rotfl:

Midknight and Bake and Shark not allyuh... don't even open one

I master have 5-6 windows open one time too... lol
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 17, 2010, 06:53:17 PM
Vuvuzelas dividing the forum- ban them!

 :D

Why yuh say dat?  Nah man... is nutten but Love, Peace and Nappiness!


or they filtering it better on the original feed... i notice less vuvuzelas in the greece nigeria game too

Well so de people dem who originating de feed say dey doing... but dat cyah be right, is break de poor South African and dem heart break and dey stop buying ticket... wit dey instruments of course.  Never mind de fact dat we know is not juss de Bafana Bafana fans deyself was blowing de "instrument from hell".


  According to king-know-it-all, they shoulda been hearing voices (or "noticing" less vuvzelas) 5 days ago.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Bakes on June 17, 2010, 07:03:47 PM
  According to king-know-it-all, they shoulda been hearing voices (or "noticing" less vuvzelas) 5 days ago.

Lol  :rotfl:

So dat is what all this belly-aching about?  Man have real insecurity complex boy, lol

Anyways... 5 days ago was Saturday... yuh know, Match Day #2?  That likely was too early for them to listen to criticism, consider changes and then implement it.  Likely de ole noise carried on thru the weekend and not until Monday or Tuesday they double the filter.  Fuh everybody but you and yuh special TV of course, you still getting de original feed.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Mango Chow! on June 17, 2010, 07:20:37 PM
  According to king-know-it-all, they shoulda been hearing voices (or "noticing" less vuvzelas) 5 days ago.

Lol  :rotfl:

So dat is what all this belly-aching about?  Man have real insecurity complex boy, lol

Anyways... 5 days ago was Saturday... yuh know, Match Day #2?  That likely was too early for them to listen to criticism, consider changes and then implement it.  Likely de ole noise carried on thru the weekend and not until Monday or Tuesday they double the filter.  Fuh everybody but you and yuh special TV of course, you still getting de original feed.

  OK, sorry.  3 days ago.  Two days ago.......but anytime before TODAY...or the Nigeria-Greece game......maybe nobody noticed it in the Argentina game, that, according to king-know-it-all, the filters were being tweaked enough so that the broadcast commentary (remember, I have to spell it out fuh yuh nuh) could be heard clearly above the din of the "instrument from hell."   Maybe is just you and your obsolete tv that couldn't hear the commentary. The filters wasn't including your bandwidth.
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: weary1969 on June 18, 2010, 06:53:22 AM
I HEAR OLE OLE 2DAY. D WC is back :rotfl:
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: Brownsugar on June 18, 2010, 06:54:07 AM
I HEAR OLE OLE 2DAY. D WC is back :rotfl:

Amen!!!.... ;D
Title: Re: Dutch coach joins chorus to ban vuvuzela
Post by: asylumseeker on June 21, 2010, 05:28:46 AM
June 21, 2010

The Vuvuzela: Uniquely African, Made in China
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 6:55 a.m. ET

BEIJING (AP) -- If those buzzing, honking vuvuzelas are marring your World Cup experience, don't expect much sympathy from Chinese businesswoman Gua Lili.

Gua's Guangda Toy Factory in the eastern manufacturing hub of Yiwu has produced and shipped more than 1 million of the plastic trumpets, whose sound has been likened to a swarm of angry bees. Production is steaming ahead at up to 20,000 units per day.

Chinese media report that up to 90 percent of the vuvuzelas sold in South Africa during the World Cup were made in China, mainly by factories in the provinces of Zhejiang, where Yiwu is located, and Guangdong to the south.

And if you thought the noisemakers' would just fade away after the World Cup ends next month, Gua is betting you're wrong.

''We believe the market for vuvuzela trumpets will expand after the World Cup as people from more countries began to love them,'' she said.

Gua, whose factory also makes other plastic noise makers such as whistles, said demand for the trumpets was also rising in China, Europe and the United States, where they've most recently shown up at Boston's Fenway Park, adding decibels to a baseball game between the Red Sox and the Arizona Diamondbacks.

Not everyone is a fan, though. Players have been criticizing the noise because they find it difficult to take advice from the bench, and visiting fans have no chance for community singing amid the noise. A French cable TV channel even offers vuvuzela-free broadcasts for all World Cup matches, with the trumpets digitally tuned out.

Defenders include FIFA President Sepp Blatter, Nobel Peace Prize winner Archbishop Desmond Tutu -- and masses of South African football fans.

The trumpets were first produced and marketed in 2001 by South African Neil Van Schalkwyk, who still owns the rights to the vuvuzela name. His latest innovation is to sell each with a pair of earplugs included.

Chinese companies won the lion's share of the vuvuzela market they same way they've come to dominate industries from sports shoes to DVD players: quality, fast turnaround, and low-low costs.

Gua said her company sells vuvuzelas to purchasing agents at no more than 2.5 yuan (36 cents) each, with a profit margin of less than 7 percent. Overseas, they sell for up to $10, she said.

''Now we're turning our eye on the Chinese market as the domestic demand started to surge in the last a few days,'' Gua said.

A sales manager with Letoys in Guangdong province, said his company began supplying vuvuzela's to the South African market several years ago and has since racked up worldwide sales of about 1 million.

''We will continue to produce it as long as there is a market demand,'' said the manager, who, gave only his surname, Zeng.

Title: Cup officials learn to cope with sound of vuvuzelas
Post by: Tallman on June 22, 2010, 11:05:04 AM
Cup officials learn to cope with sound of vuvuzelas
BBC


Vuvuzela noise is now part of Fifa's training sessions for officials in South Africa, according to Devon-based assistant referee Mike Mullarkey.

Mullarkey made his World Cup debut in last week's Group H match between Spain and Switzerland.

He told BBC Devon: "When we're doing our training exercises Fifa are actually playing recorded sounds of vuvuzelas through the speakers.

"For three hours a day we're exposed to that sound which helps preparation."

Mullarkey continued: "So when it comes to the match situation it's an environment that we're very used to."

The Exeter resident is part of a three-strong English contingent of officials at the South Africa, alongside referee Howard Webb and fellow assistant Darren Cann.

The drone of vuvuzelas led to numerous complaints during the initial stages of the World Cup, although organisers swiftly ruled out banning the plastic horn.

Portugal winger Cristiano Ronaldo was one of the players who claimed the noise affects concentration, while some fans watching on television said they struggled to hear commentary.

But with exposure to the constant noise included in their training sessions, Mullarkey is hoping the English officials can rise to the occasion and be selected for further games as the tournament progresses.

He said: "If England got through to the semi-finals or final, clearly we couldn't be involved.

"But if England aren't there, there are many other factors, and many other experienced referees all vying for the ultimate accolade of being involved in the latter stages.

"So we're just concentrating on our job at the moment, which is successfully negotiating the next appointment that we receive."
Title: Re: Vuvuzelas
Post by: Midknight on June 22, 2010, 12:07:55 PM
Now that song stuck in my head.
It would have been perfect if they had included a constant vuvuzela background.

I thought that, then i realised that if they had included a constant vuvuzela background it would have been


GODAWFULLY AND ANNOYINGLY MONOTONOUS
Title: Re: Vuvuzelas
Post by: Bitter on June 22, 2010, 01:27:46 PM
Origin of the Vuvuzela found!

(http://www.hedgehoghouse.com/stock/thumbnails/176000/176567.jpg)
Title: Re: Vuvuzelas
Post by: Trinimassive on June 22, 2010, 04:59:05 PM
Origin of the Vuvuzela found!

(http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5030/vuvuzela2d.jpg)

Wha it is yuh post so that cyah show up ???
Title: Re: Vuvuzelas
Post by: Bitter on June 25, 2010, 04:33:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/eIGIAh2GTOA
Title: Re: Vuvuzelas
Post by: Dutty on June 25, 2010, 07:03:12 AM
Vuvuzela now officially a badass weapon

http://gamercrave.com/doom-gets-the-vuvuzela-treatment/3541/ (http://gamercrave.com/doom-gets-the-vuvuzela-treatment/3541/)
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