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Sports => Football => Topic started by: Carib-Briton on July 13, 2009, 02:29:54 PM
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... player to play for a country which isn't their place of birth
As in how much they contributed to that nations football e.g. Pioneer (First black player), Made people take more notice of that country (this can work in many ways) etc etc
I'm going to give some examples but I am not saying any of them are the greatest:
(Born/Country Represented)
Maurice Tresor (Guadeloupe*/France)
Patrick Vieira (Senegal/France)
Mohamed Sissoko (France/Mali)
Paul Chillan (Martinique*/ France)
Fredric Kanoute (France/Mali)
John Barnes (Jamaica/England)
Robbie Earle (England/Jamaica)
Clarence Seedorf (Surinam/Holland)
Chris Birchall (England/Trinidad & Tobago)
Anthony Baffoe (Germany/Ghana)
Yıldıray Baştürk (Germany/Turkey)
Eusébio (Mozambique/Portugal)
Alfredo di Stéfano (Argentina/Played for Argentina, Colombia and Spain LOL)
One thing I do notice about the players that come to my mind is that they moved to the country they represented very early in their life. It is rare you'll find someone you made an significant or memorable impact who didn't live in that country for long period of time, if at all.... (excluding Robbie Earle - 1st World Cup Goal Ever or Birchall's 'Belter' against Mexico)
*(I know that Gwadloup and Mantik are dependencies of France)
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I feel is a toss up between Di Stefano and Eusebio. Eusebio for one is still regarded by many Portuguese as their best player ever.
Ferec Puskas (excuse my spelling) played for Hungary and Spain. He could more than make that list. Brilliant player by all accounts.
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I feel is a toss up between Di Stefano and Eusebio. Eusebio for one is still regarded by many Portuguese as their best player ever.
Ferec Puskas (excuse my spelling) played for Hungary and Spain. He could more than make that list. Brilliant player by all accounts.
Thanks.
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Chris Birchall is the winner of this hands down! ;)
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Thomasz Radzinski - Poland/Canada
Among the greatest:
Deco - Brazil/Portugal
Marcel Desailly - Ghana/France
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Chris Birchall is the winner of this hands down! ;)
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
From the list i probably will go with... Patrick Vieira (Senegal/France)
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Thierry Henry - Guadeloupe/France
Edgar Davids - Surinam/Holland
Mario Balotelli - Ghana/Italy U21
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Thierry Henry - Guadeloupe/France
Edgar Davids - Surinam/Holland
Mario Balotelli - Ghana/Italy U21
I heard this before but every time i look up on it the websites say he was born in Paris France ???... i know Lillian Thuram was born in Guadalupe though...
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The Hardest!!!!!
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Thierry Henry - Guadeloupe/France
Edgar Davids - Surinam/Holland
Mario Balotelli - Ghana/Italy U21
Thierry Henry was Born in France and Balotelli was Born in Italy
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Robbie Earl of the Reggae Britz
he quit after the World up 98
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Thierry Henry - Guadeloupe/France
Edgar Davids - Surinam/Holland
Mario Balotelli - Ghana/Italy U21
Davids better than Rijkaard?
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Ray Houghton
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what !!!! all yuh eh have Shaka on dat list ? ...de man played for we in dat historic WC ...the first we ever played in ...and really excelled !!
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Thierry Henry - Guadeloupe/France
Edgar Davids - Surinam/Holland
Mario Balotelli - Ghana/Italy U21
Thierry Henry was Born in France and Balotelli was Born in Italy
The born in "France" distinction in the case of the Antilleans does not "carry" in the same way as does others ... Guadeloupe is France.
Anyway, the sentimental favourite for me from those listed is Tresor ... (first name Marius). Check this article from last year: http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/news/newsid=753188.html
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not a stupid thread CB
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One thing I do notice about the players that come to my mind is that they moved to the country they represented very early in their life. It is rare you'll find someone you made an significant or memorable impact who didn't live in that country for long period of time, if at all.... (excluding Robbie Earle - 1st World Cup Goal Ever or Birchall's 'Belter' against Mexico)
Emmanuel Olisadebe (Nigeria/Poland)
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can't think of too many non-native Croats that have repped that country so Brasilian born Eduardo Da Silva.
There was another Brasilian, Alessandro Santos who played for Japan in the WC.
Argentine born Mauro Camoranesi won a WC with Italy - not even Di Stefano accomplished that.
.... and there are probably more foreign born players to play for the US in recent years than any other team - even Jamaica.
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Mauro Camoranesi (Argentina/Italy)
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Marcos Senna - Brazil / Spain
Owen Hargreaves - Canada / England
Kevin Kuranyi - Brazil/Germany
Shaka Hislop - England/T&T
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Randy Samuel TT -Canada...arguably the best defender at the 1986 WC.
Tigana Mali - France
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Thierry Henry - Guadeloupe/France
Edgar Davids - Surinam/Holland
Mario Balotelli - Ghana/Italy U21
Davids better than Rijkaard?
Rijkaard was born in Holland (Amsterdam)
Henry was born in France (Parisian suburbs) & Balotelli was born in Italy.
Carib-Briton- this is a good thread... heritage is an interesting thing...
But when ah see Thomas Radzinski & Owen Hargreaves names gettin' call ah wonder if we trying to name the greatest, or if we just makin' a database of all lol... ;D That said lewwe throw Fredy Adu in de mix nah....lol
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Thierry Henry - Guadeloupe/France
Edgar Davids - Surinam/Holland
Mario Balotelli - Ghana/Italy U21
Davids better than Rijkaard?
Rijkaard was born in Holland (Amsterdam)
Henry was born in France (Parisian suburbs) & Balotelli was born in Italy.
Carib-Briton- this is a good thread... heritage is an interesting thing...
But when ah see Thomas Radzinski & Owen Hargreaves names gettin' call ah wonder if we trying to name the greatest, or if we just makin' a database of all lol... ;D That said lewwe throw Fredy Adu in de mix nah....lol
maybe I'm mistaken, but remember hearing something about Rijkaard being born in Suriname, or maybe he just has roots there.
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currently..german strikers podolski and klose...both polish
not the best but damn good players that poland must be :banginghead: they representing germany
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Thierry Henry - Guadeloupe/France
Edgar Davids - Surinam/Holland
Mario Balotelli - Ghana/Italy U21
Thierry Henry was Born in France and Balotelli was Born in Italy
The born in "France" distinction in the case of the Antilleans does not "carry" in the same way as does others ... Guadeloupe is France.
Anyway, the sentimental favourite for me from those listed is Tresor ... (first name Marius). Check this article from last year: http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/news/newsid=753188.html
Asylumseeker I said already that I knew that in my first post check the asterisks and the bottom of my post. Maybe I didn't explain it in a way that did show that I knew.
If this is better: Thierry Henry was born in the Metropolis, ''The Mainland'',..... Paris.
LOL @ BM
I think Marcos Senna is good call also Asylumseeker with Emmanuel Olisadebe, Tigana etc. Alot of players who mentioned have made a good contribution.
Thanks for all the replies to the thread.
The mention of Ray Houghton made me think of Aiden McGeady (No way this guy has made the same
contribution as RH lol) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSS61Deu8t8
Paul McGrath was born in Ealing, London and grew up in Dublin I forget.
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Thierry Henry - Guadeloupe/France
Edgar Davids - Surinam/Holland
Mario Balotelli - Ghana/Italy U21
Davids better than Rijkaard?
Rijkaard was born in Holland (Amsterdam)
Henry was born in France (Parisian suburbs) & Balotelli was born in Italy.
Carib-Briton- this is a good thread... heritage is an interesting thing...
But when ah see Thomas Radzinski & Owen Hargreaves names gettin' call ah wonder if we trying to name the greatest, or if we just makin' a database of all lol... ;D That said lewwe throw Fredy Adu in de mix nah....lol
LOL.
I forget about Adu sometimes... wow all that hype.
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Thierry Henry - Guadeloupe/France
Edgar Davids - Surinam/Holland
Mario Balotelli - Ghana/Italy U21
Davids better than Rijkaard?
Rijkaard was born in Holland (Amsterdam)
Henry was born in France (Parisian suburbs) & Balotelli was born in Italy.
Carib-Briton- this is a good thread... heritage is an interesting thing...
But when ah see Thomas Radzinski & Owen Hargreaves names gettin' call ah wonder if we trying to name the greatest, or if we just makin' a database of all lol... ;D That said lewwe throw Fredy Adu in de mix nah....lol
maybe I'm mistaken, but remember hearing something about Rijkaard being born in Suriname, or maybe he just has roots there.
Probably his roots...many black (mulatto in the case of Rijkaard) dutchmen have roots in the Dutch Antilles.
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Claude Makelele - Zaire/France
Oliver Neuville - Switzerland/Germany
Kevin Muscat - England/Australia
Milan Ivanovic - Serbia/Australia
Oceano da Cruz - Cape Verde/Portugal
Terry Butcher - Singapore/England
Tab Ramos - Uruguay/USA
Earnie Stewart - Netherlands/USA
Roy Wegerle - South Africa/USA
Ivica Vastic - Croatia/Austria
Marouane Chamakh - France/Morocco
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Asylumseeker I said already that I knew that in my first post check the asterisks and the bottom of my post. Maybe I didn't explain it in a way that did show that I knew.
If this is better: Thierry Henry was born in the Metropolis, ''The Mainland'',..... Paris.
LOL @ BM
I think Marcos Senna is good call also Asylumseeker with Emmanuel Olisadebe, Tigana etc. Alot of players who mentioned have made a good contribution.
Thanks for all the replies to the thread.
The mention of Ray Houghton made me think of Aiden McGeady (No way this guy has made the same
contribution as RH lol) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSS61Deu8t8
Paul McGrath was born in Ealing, London and grew up in Dublin I forget.
Do not be so quick to believe that. There is mystery surrounding the birthplace of Henry and this has been so for many years. Henry has been said to be born in Guadeloupe, Haiti, and France. Similarly Kareem Abdul Jabaar wasn't born in the US but you will find oodles of sources saying he was. Unless you see de man bithpaper doh puh yuh head on no block.
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Thierry Henry - Guadeloupe/France
Edgar Davids - Surinam/Holland
Mario Balotelli - Ghana/Italy U21
Davids better than Rijkaard?
Rijkaard was born in Holland (Amsterdam)
Henry was born in France (Parisian suburbs) & Balotelli was born in Italy.
Carib-Briton- this is a good thread... heritage is an interesting thing...
But when ah see Thomas Radzinski & Owen Hargreaves names gettin' call ah wonder if we trying to name the greatest, or if we just makin' a database of all lol... ;D That said lewwe throw Fredy Adu in de mix nah....lol
maybe I'm mistaken, but remember hearing something about Rijkaard being born in Suriname, or maybe he just has roots there.
acb..reputable sources have him born in Holland. I do not think there is any public record of him disputing that.
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Asylumseeker I said already that I knew that in my first post check the asterisks and the bottom of my post. Maybe I didn't explain it in a way that did show that I knew.
If this is better: Thierry Henry was born in the Metropolis, ''The Mainland'',..... Paris.
LOL @ BM
I think Marcos Senna is good call also Asylumseeker with Emmanuel Olisadebe, Tigana etc. Alot of players who mentioned have made a good contribution.
Thanks for all the replies to the thread.
The mention of Ray Houghton made me think of Aiden McGeady (No way this guy has made the same
contribution as RH lol) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSS61Deu8t8
Paul McGrath was born in Ealing, London and grew up in Dublin I forget.
Do not be so quick to believe that. There is mystery surrounding the birthplace of Henry and this has been so for many years. Henry has been said to be born in Guadeloupe, Haiti, and France. Similarly Kareem Abdul Jabaar wasn't born in the US but you will find oodles of sources saying he was. Unless you see de man bithpaper doh puh yuh head on no block.
killa..there is no mystery. there may be rumors and that is all well and good, but as i was saying to acb, all we can go on is reputable public data and they all have him born in a suburb in France. If anyone can find a public record of him disputing that he was born in France, or a credible source saying he was born elsewhere, then that should help clear it up, or at least pose a serious question. The official Barca website, run by the club has his birthplace in France. We don't have the birthpapers of any of these players...Until Henry publicy denies being born in France, for the purposes of this thread, he is French-born
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Asylumseeker I said already that I knew that in my first post check the asterisks and the bottom of my post. Maybe I didn't explain it in a way that did show that I knew.
If this is better: Thierry Henry was born in the Metropolis, ''The Mainland'',..... Paris.
LOL @ BM
I think Marcos Senna is good call also Asylumseeker with Emmanuel Olisadebe, Tigana etc. Alot of players who mentioned have made a good contribution.
Thanks for all the replies to the thread.
The mention of Ray Houghton made me think of Aiden McGeady (No way this guy has made the same
contribution as RH lol) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSS61Deu8t8
Paul McGrath was born in Ealing, London and grew up in Dublin I forget.
Do not be so quick to believe that. There is mystery surrounding the birthplace of Henry and this has been so for many years. Henry has been said to be born in Guadeloupe, Haiti, and France. Similarly Kareem Abdul Jabaar wasn't born in the US but you will find oodles of sources saying he was. Unless you see de man bithpaper doh puh yuh head on no block.
Umm but Kareem was born in NYC though i think everybody accept this fact? so whats your argument there? check his official website... but if u have a copy of his birth paper that really saying something different my bad...
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Asylumseeker I said already that I knew that in my first post check the asterisks and the bottom of my post. Maybe I didn't explain it in a way that did show that I knew.
If this is better: Thierry Henry was born in the Metropolis, ''The Mainland'',..... Paris.
LOL @ BM
I think Marcos Senna is good call also Asylumseeker with Emmanuel Olisadebe, Tigana etc. Alot of players who mentioned have made a good contribution.
Thanks for all the replies to the thread.
The mention of Ray Houghton made me think of Aiden McGeady (No way this guy has made the same
contribution as RH lol) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSS61Deu8t8
Paul McGrath was born in Ealing, London and grew up in Dublin I forget.
Do not be so quick to believe that. There is mystery surrounding the birthplace of Henry and this has been so for many years. Henry has been said to be born in Guadeloupe, Haiti, and France. Similarly Kareem Abdul Jabaar wasn't born in the US but you will find oodles of sources saying he was. Unless you see de man bithpaper doh puh yuh head on no block.
Umm but Kareem was born in NYC though i think everybody accept this fact? so whats your argument there? check his official website... but if u have a copy of his birth paper that really saying something different my bad...
Fella Kareem was not born in the US
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Asylumseeker I said already that I knew that in my first post check the asterisks and the bottom of my post. Maybe I didn't explain it in a way that did show that I knew.
If this is better: Thierry Henry was born in the Metropolis, ''The Mainland'',..... Paris.
LOL @ BM
I think Marcos Senna is good call also Asylumseeker with Emmanuel Olisadebe, Tigana etc. Alot of players who mentioned have made a good contribution.
Thanks for all the replies to the thread.
The mention of Ray Houghton made me think of Aiden McGeady (No way this guy has made the same
contribution as RH lol) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSS61Deu8t8
Paul McGrath was born in Ealing, London and grew up in Dublin I forget.
Do not be so quick to believe that. There is mystery surrounding the birthplace of Henry and this has been so for many years. Henry has been said to be born in Guadeloupe, Haiti, and France. Similarly Kareem Abdul Jabaar wasn't born in the US but you will find oodles of sources saying he was. Unless you see de man bithpaper doh puh yuh head on no block.
Umm but Kareem was born in NYC though i think everybody accept this fact? so whats your argument there? check his official website... but if u have a copy of his birth paper that really saying something different my bad...
Fella Kareem was not born in the US
Fella he was prove me wrong? His father and grandfather trini... not even sure about his mother.
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Asylumseeker I said already that I knew that in my first post check the asterisks and the bottom of my post. Maybe I didn't explain it in a way that did show that I knew.
If this is better: Thierry Henry was born in the Metropolis, ''The Mainland'',..... Paris.
LOL @ BM
I think Marcos Senna is good call also Asylumseeker with Emmanuel Olisadebe, Tigana etc. Alot of players who mentioned have made a good contribution.
Thanks for all the replies to the thread.
The mention of Ray Houghton made me think of Aiden McGeady (No way this guy has made the same
contribution as RH lol) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSS61Deu8t8
Paul McGrath was born in Ealing, London and grew up in Dublin I forget.
Do not be so quick to believe that. There is mystery surrounding the birthplace of Henry and this has been so for many years. Henry has been said to be born in Guadeloupe, Haiti, and France. Similarly Kareem Abdul Jabaar wasn't born in the US but you will find oodles of sources saying he was. Unless you see de man bithpaper doh puh yuh head on no block.
There is no Mystery. He has always said, in the flesh, he was born in Paris
Even before the CL Final 2006 on Sky Sports they showed 10 minute interviews showing with both him and Ronaldinho showing where they was born, grew up etc.
and he said it is great that he is playing in the City of his Birth, even though he feels like a 'Londoner' now,
especially as he won the WC with France in the same stadium and his grandmother was there to see it among other things.
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Let me clarify this . Henry's parents are from Martinique and Guadeloupe and he was born in France. I hear Ferdinand from the Caribbean though.
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Asylumseeker I said already that I knew that in my first post check the asterisks and the bottom of my post. Maybe I didn't explain it in a way that did show that I knew.
If this is better: Thierry Henry was born in the Metropolis, ''The Mainland'',..... Paris.
LOL @ BM
I think Marcos Senna is good call also Asylumseeker with Emmanuel Olisadebe, Tigana etc. Alot of players who mentioned have made a good contribution.
Thanks for all the replies to the thread.
The mention of Ray Houghton made me think of Aiden McGeady (No way this guy has made the same
contribution as RH lol) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSS61Deu8t8
Paul McGrath was born in Ealing, London and grew up in Dublin I forget.
Do not be so quick to believe that. There is mystery surrounding the birthplace of Henry and this has been so for many years. Henry has been said to be born in Guadeloupe, Haiti, and France. Similarly Kareem Abdul Jabaar wasn't born in the US but you will find oodles of sources saying he was. Unless you see de man bithpaper doh puh yuh head on no block.
Umm but Kareem was born in NYC though i think everybody accept this fact? so whats your argument there? check his official website... but if u have a copy of his birth paper that really saying something different my bad...
Fella Kareem was not born in the US
Fella he was prove me wrong? His father and grandfather trini... not even sure about his mother.
how about you prove he was born in the US? Prove you wrong, you acting like you armed with he birth paper :rotfl:
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Let me clarify this . Henry's parents are from Martinique and Guadeloupe and he was born in France. I hear Ferdinand from the Caribbean though.
I don't know what Ferdinand you talking about, I assume Rio, but Anton and Rio Father was born in St. Lucia.
Les Ferdinand's Parents were also Born in St. Lucia.
Les is from West London. Anton and Rio are from Peckham, South London
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Let me clarify this . Henry's parents are from Martinique and Guadeloupe and he was born in France. I hear Ferdinand from the Caribbean though.
I don't know what Ferdinand you talking about, I assume Rio, but Anton and Rio Father was born in St. Lucia.
Les Ferdinand's Parents were also Born in St. Lucia.
Les is from West London. Anton and Rio are from Peckham, South London
Les & Rio are cousins no?
Heard that somewhere loosely...but never confirmed it.
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Asylumseeker I said already that I knew that in my first post check the asterisks and the bottom of my post. Maybe I didn't explain it in a way that did show that I knew.
If this is better: Thierry Henry was born in the Metropolis, ''The Mainland'',..... Paris.
LOL @ BM
I think Marcos Senna is good call also Asylumseeker with Emmanuel Olisadebe, Tigana etc. Alot of players who mentioned have made a good contribution.
Thanks for all the replies to the thread.
The mention of Ray Houghton made me think of Aiden McGeady (No way this guy has made the same
contribution as RH lol) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSS61Deu8t8
Paul McGrath was born in Ealing, London and grew up in Dublin I forget.
Do not be so quick to believe that. There is mystery surrounding the birthplace of Henry and this has been so for many years. Henry has been said to be born in Guadeloupe, Haiti, and France. Similarly Kareem Abdul Jabaar wasn't born in the US but you will find oodles of sources saying he was. Unless you see de man bithpaper doh puh yuh head on no block.
Umm but Kareem was born in NYC though i think everybody accept this fact? so whats your argument there? check his official website... but if u have a copy of his birth paper that really saying something different my bad...
Fella Kareem was not born in the US
Fella he was prove me wrong? His father and grandfather trini... not even sure about his mother.
how about you prove he was born in the US? Prove you wrong, you acting like you armed with he birth paper :rotfl:
not here 2 argue with yu but yo your whole comment was wrong dont knw wat madness yu be hearing on bout both henry an kareem jeez . Well atleast now yu knw if yu wanna act up go ahead don't care but the man was born Harlem NY... n 4 the record yu the one talkin bout we got 2 see birth paper and dont study online info even if man tellin yu dey said it themselves so i expect yu knw better than them?
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Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink - Suriname / Netherlands
Carlos Tevez - Uranus / Argentina
Pepe - Brazil/Portugal
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LOL @ BM
I think Marcos Senna is good call also Asylumseeker with Emmanuel Olisadebe, Tigana etc. Alot of players who mentioned have made a good contribution.
Thanks for all the replies to the thread.
The mention of Ray Houghton made me think of Aiden McGeady (No way this guy has made the same
contribution as RH lol) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSS61Deu8t8
Paul McGrath was born in Ealing, London and grew up in Dublin I forget.
Houghton, Paul McGrath, John Aldridge, Mick McCarthy, Chris Morris, and a few others were English-born Irishmen were the heart and soul of the greatest teams Ireland ever had. After them came others like Kevin Kilbane and Gary Breen (and of course David Connolly). I don't think McGeady really deserves to be in the same category as any of them though. An interesting story about Kilbane was he was once made by Fat Sam Allardyce to go to an England Youth Camp and he showed up in his Ireland shirt ;D. Perhaps Zinedine Kilbane (who also is one of three people to play in 50 internationals without missing one) deserves a mention as well.
I think perhaps Jason Roberts should deserve a mention as well because he and his foundation have done alot for Grenada football as well (despite retiring and not coming back to play in this year's Gold Cup)
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Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink - Suriname / Netherlands
Carlos Tevez - Uranus / Argentina
Pepe - Brazil/Portugal
LOL