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Sports => Football => Topic started by: spideybuff on August 13, 2009, 06:09:36 AM
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Birchall has seemingly become a bit part player under latas. I liken it to Cantona's description of Deschamps as a "water carrier". It seems to me that Latas views Birchall's contribution in a similar manner. I not saying Latas wrong, as each coach has their style and their opinion...but I just wondering what is allyuh take on the situation as to why Leon is the preferred ball winner over Birchall, currently.
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lol, probably just a little payback for not getting a sweat in front of him at the World Cup. :P
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I followed instructions and I vote c.
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to be honest i cant understand why birchall not starting and leon is. birchall has better defensive awareness than leon and is better technically on the ball. only latas can answer this question IMO.
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to be honest i cant understand why birchall not starting and leon is. birchall has better defensive awareness than leon and is better technically on the ball. only latas can answer this question IMO.
Latas learn 1 ting from Mats strange selection. D difference he give we 3 pts while Mats give we 2.
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When I saw Leon in de starting lineup over Birchall I was shocked. Leon looked like shit last night. He plays like he has no brain. I watched Leon play in the two W-Connection games against NY and he looked like garbage in those games too.
Since Beenie and Wim left Birchall seems to be in de doghouse. Why? I have no idea.
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We win right? ???
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We win right? ???
Yes because Dog was MOM prayin on d sideline.
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he white
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Since Beenie and Wim left Birchall seems to be in de doghouse. Why? I have no idea.
No "attacking flair"?
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leon and noel linked up well in the mid together, when birchall came in we are on our backfoot. like i said before, there are many players locally who can do birchall's job and pass much better. birchall is better coming off the bench than starting.
noel played well last night with leon beside him, yorke days numbered as the holding mid...
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Very good question. I don't see anything in Leon.
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leon and noel linked up well in the mid together, when birchall came in we are on our backfoot. like i said before, there are many players locally who can do birchall's job and pass much better. birchall is better coming off the bench than starting.
noel played well last night with leon beside him, yorke days numbered as the holding mid...
We were "on our backfoot" before Birchall came on.
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Very good question. I don't see anything in Leon.
Because there is nutten 2 c. He was beeing groom I beleive 2 replace Yorke put time 2 move on.
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leon and noel linked up well in the mid together, when birchall came in we are on our backfoot. like i said before, there are many players locally who can do birchall's job and pass much better. birchall is better coming off the bench than starting.
noel played well last night with leon beside him, yorke days numbered as the holding mid...
We were "on our backfoot" before Birchall came on.
not really, we lost possession alot more with birchall on, he was chasing more than possessing and passing, watch the last 15 mins again and you will see what i mean...
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If I were coach Birchall will start all the time, you cannot take away his toughness and grit, he plays with more heart than some other men on the team. Let's not forget that cannon of a shot he has. I could have seen him take that same shot KJ got last night and bury it in the net. I wish he was on in that first half
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leon and noel linked up well in the mid together, when birchall came in we are on our backfoot. like i said before, there are many players locally who can do birchall's job and pass much better. birchall is better coming off the bench than starting.
noel played well last night with leon beside him, yorke days numbered as the holding mid...
We were "on our backfoot" before Birchall came on.
not really, we lost possession alot more with birchall on, he was chasing more than possessing and passing, watch the last 15 mins again and you will see what i mean...
birchos give away several balls. but he hustle an won several balls too
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Birchall was injured and not fit enough to last 90
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We were "on our backfoot" before Birchall came on.
We were still on our backfoot when he came on too
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Birchall was injured and not fit enough to last 90
Aye, aye....stop posting and work on we report... ;D
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Birchall was injured and not fit enough to last 90
Well then put a one vote for match fitness, nah ;D
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same shot KJ got last night and bury it in the net.
It had two that came from corners last nite, right on Leon foot and he take a first touch and the men jam him too.
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TI, yuh is ah big leon fan so u will always have an excuse for him...anyway, i play against leon in intercol/youth leagues and back then he was a very solid player, he looks way out of league for the natl team but intercol is not WCQ so that might be the obvious reason. However, i think the main reason he may be on the team is a work ethic, he will put out every ounce of his ability for his team. The question is, is there anyone else out there who can do a better job?
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We were "on our backfoot" before Birchall came on.
We were still on our backfoot when he came on too
Controversial seemed to imply that it was Birchall's introduction that led to us being on the backfoot.
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I think Lata's want the midfield while doing the defensive duties, to be more creative/attacking, Birchall's role in the team has generally been that of a ball winning defensive midfielder. I guess he believes Leon fits the role that he wants performed better than Birchall. I doh watch much PFL so Lata's would be a better judge of Leon's talent but from what I've seen Birchall should be given the oppertunity to start in a more attacking role before he starts being typecast. Is only since we get Bichall in the national side that he been playing in defensive posistions and the times I managed to see him play in club ball he looked fairly decent as an attacking player. Hey, at least Lata's still values his contribution as he still picks and plays him (though as a sub). At least he hasn't been completely discarded like Boucaud was.
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Leon start over Birchall...Lata smoking some kinder shit.....Birchall is a fighter and i saw Leon played in giants stadium to laye back of a player...no energies
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I watch a fair amount of local football and I think Leon is definitely our best ball winner and he is look good on the local scene. If he is not the best, whoever better than him not definitively better so I not begrudging him his pick or his place on the side
In fact, he could be better than Birchie on the international scene as well, given time...but I was just wondering the real reasoning behind the decisison cause he hasn't shown that form for W Connection in the Champions League nor for the national team, whenever the foreign based around. But among the locals, he usually looks a cut above.
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From what I've seen from Leon playing for T&T he is not as good as Birchall. Unfortunately I haven't been able to see him play in the PFL. But his performance for W Connection in the recent Concacaf Championship games against NY were quite poor as well. PFL and International football is two different ball games, and from what I've seen, Leon isn't as good as Birchall is at that level.
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Brichy would have start on my team from the beginning to end. Why latas didnt start him...only he knows why. ???
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I think Lata's want the midfield while doing the defensive duties, to be more creative/attacking, Birchall's role in the team has generally been that of a ball winning defensive midfielder. I guess he believes Leon fits the role that he wants performed better than Birchall. I doh watch much PFL so Lata's would be a better judge of Leon's talent but from what I've seen Birchall should be given the oppertunity to start in a more attacking role before he starts being typecast. Is only since we get Bichall in the national side that he been playing in defensive posistions and the times I managed to see him play in club ball he looked fairly decent as an attacking player. Hey, at least Lata's still values his contribution as he still picks and plays him (though as a sub). At least he hasn't been completely discarded like Boucaud was.
Never seen anything attacking or creative from Leon.
I think the question we should be asking is this:
in what areas is Leon better than Birchall and vice versa?
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TI, yuh is ah big leon fan so u will always have an excuse for him...anyway, i play against leon in intercol/youth leagues and back then he was a very solid player, he looks way out of league for the natl team but intercol is not WCQ so that might be the obvious reason. However, i think the main reason he may be on the team is a work ethic, he will put out every ounce of his ability for his team. The question is, is there anyone else out there who can do a better job?
hyland i bet yuh i guess he in latas dog house also
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a man ball when Birchall come on "he was chasing more than possessing and passing, watch the last 15 mins again and you will see "
Allyuh does really watch and understand football boy?
The whole side play shite in the last 15, but you putting it on him. Way boy, it really eh make sense sometimes nah
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Yeah, in dat las match Leon look more lorse on de pitch dan a chile in a brothel....
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Latapy likes players to keep the ball and obviously he thinks Birch is more a CDM who will just pump the ball and possibly lose it more than the others.... which Birchy does sometimes but NO f**kING WAY SHOULD LEON BENCH BIRCHALL
If it was Hyland or Spann alongside Noel I could understand it but no way like a like player...Leon is no playmaker...he is a workhorse like Birchy but Birchy is the better workhorse...it was quite baffling
Also I expect Birchy to start every game from here one available and fit... Latapy's intentions seem to lean towards starting Birchy away and I think he will be needed vs USA and Mexico at home from the get go
Birchall to me has to start alongside either Noel/Dwight/Hyland...not the other way around
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Latapy likes players to keep the ball and obviously he thinks Birch is more a CDM who will just pump the ball and possibly lose it more than the others.... which Birchy does sometimes but NO f**kING WAY SHOULD LEON BENCH BIRCHALL
If it was Hyland or Spann alongside Noel I could understand it but no way like a like player...Leon is no playmaker...he is a workhorse like Birchy but Birchy is the better workhorse...it was quite baffling
Also I expect Birchy to start every game from here one available and fit... Latapy's intentions seem to lean towards starting Birchy away and I think he will be needed vs USA and Mexico at home from the get go
Birchall to me has to start alongside either Noel/Dwight/Hyland...not the other way around
you still want that old horse to start eh .... he eh in preseason he eh with no club ... but he could make bench
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Latapy likes players to keep the ball and obviously he thinks Birch is more a CDM who will just pump the ball and possibly lose it more than the others.... which Birchy does sometimes but NO f**kING WAY SHOULD LEON BENCH BIRCHALL
If it was Hyland or Spann alongside Noel I could understand it but no way like a like player...Leon is no playmaker...he is a workhorse like Birchy but Birchy is the better workhorse...it was quite baffling
Also I expect Birchy to start every game from here one available and fit... Latapy's intentions seem to lean towards starting Birchy away and I think he will be needed vs USA and Mexico at home from the get go
Birchall to me has to start alongside either Noel/Dwight/Hyland...not the other way around
you still want that old horse to start eh .... he eh in preseason he eh with no club ... but he could make bench
that old horse came on an provided some much needed experience that we will need for 90 minutes for 4 games in a row... And he knows that so expect him to be playing very soon... his 20 minute cameo was better than Leon's 60 minutes
Dwight will be a key player in our quest
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Latas playing men on current form for club, Birchall benching so he not considered to start.
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Latas playing men on current form for club, Birchall benching so he not considered to start.
Dennis starting at Club Med?
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Birchall had a slight injury and wasn't risked as a starter.
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I can't understand the hype peeps have over this Birchall guy,i mean Beenie was able to use him to maximum effect through the last WC and the role he played was picture perfect for him,it seems others don't seem to be able to use him in that way,since the last WC he has not been able to consistently hold a starting position on any team at all may be besides our national team,he has not played much Football at any level i can't understand why is that,why are we blaming Latas for not starting him when a lot of other Coaches seeing the same things,his present team does the same thing,the little i know of Latas and the type of Football he likes to play Birchall will have problems,always remember is not what we see and want,that decision lies with the Coach and what type of game he wants the team to play.I personall think Latas gambled with Clyde Leon,it paid off because he won and that's what matters,just like Tinto and all the others,as a Coach you have to take chances,i like how he did his thing he have to be himself and let the chips fall where they may,just be prepared for the critiques.
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it pay off cuz we win? what kinda uneducated statement is that. so if my grandmoms was there and we win too that mean it was d right decision to play her? leon was garbage plain and simple
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Neither...Hyland. Birchall is not beckham like some of yall making out to be, and Leon has no imagination. Hyland is better than both of them but will need some discipline to stay in defend rather than run forward too much.
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i remember i call for leon a long time ago b4 any of these men was even talking about him, in fact leon played very well in japan under wim as well... latas wants to play a possession game, birchall doesnt have that skill, leon does and it will get even better with more caps, i also remember when i said tt naturally has always played a similar attacking brand of football to brazil, man cuss, when latas come on and say the same bloody ting, all the talk done, man shut dey mouth, this board full of fellahs who head hard and dense like board...
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and also, guerra is a much better player than hyland, hyland get the push for reasons outside football, guerra belong more on the side than hyland, hyland is overrated by the same fellahs who does call for scotland that intl shithound, over glen, who scored our only goal las nite...
like i said years ago, you cant play scotland and jones, they are cut from the same mould, you need the contrast and that winning contrast is playing glen or even roberts...
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and also, guerra is a much better player than hyland, hyland get the push for reasons outside football, guerra belong more on the side than hyland, hyland is overrated by the same fellahs who does call for scotland that intl shithound, over glen, who scored our only goal las nite...
like i said years ago, you cant play scotland and jones, they are cut from the same mould, you need the contrast and that winning contrast is playing glen or even roberts...
Sometimes it not who good or who better than who. Is how they fit into the coaches plans.
In a 4-4-2 Guerra does not have enough scoring prowess to play withdrwn striker at this level YET.
He can't replace our current wingers unless he better than K Daniel, Tinto or Carlos.
As a creative mid is his defensive ability a liability? Maybe Hyland fits in better as a CM and is therefore more versatile.
If Colin Samuel or Jaggy claims the left wide position down the road he will have to compete with K Daniel, and possibly Whitley for that spot. I don't think he can compete there quite there yet. In time maybe.
I have not seen him play live eh, just on video a few times so I just speculating.
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Clyde Leon did not play a bad game last night as some of yall said. IMO he put in a good shift last night. Most if not all of us here do not know more about the game of football than Latas. We do not know why Birchall started, maybe bcuz he's hurt as someone said earlier, maybe bcuz he was looking shaky in practice or maybe bcuz of tactics...we jus see the startin line up and criticize. we dont know what goin on in training....so let's just wait and c what happens for the next game
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Latas playing men on current form for club, Birchall benching so he not considered to start.
Dennis starting at Club Med?
:rotfl:
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leon and noel linked up well in the mid together, when birchall came in we are on our backfoot. like i said before, there are many players locally who can do birchall's job and pass much better. birchall is better coming off the bench than starting.
noel played well last night with leon beside him, yorke days numbered as the holding mid...
cOSIGN
Birch give a rush of pressure n the second half. So when de oppostion think they have us on the back. We apply de turnakit.
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Neither...Hyland. Birchall is not beckham like some of yall making out to be, and Leon has no imagination. Hyland is better than both of them but will need some discipline to stay in defend rather than run forward too much.
Yeah but Hyland is more akin to Lampard than a Hargreaves these days. He is the complete midfielder so he will fight up with Trent moreso than with Leon for a spot.
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Leon is still yet to impress me..Birchall is a better player (same with Hyland)...some men in here just Leon fans..I can point out gmes where Birchall was the stand out player for T&T..cant do the same with Leon...and what part of Leon game is really better than Birchall ?? lol..alyuh dont start with this shit yes..
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Birchall was injured and not fit enough to last 90
:applause: :applause:
and the award goes to.....