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Sports => Football => Topic started by: ZANDOLIE on September 09, 2009, 04:59:34 PM
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From UEFA.com
Slick Slovenia spell end for Beenhakker
Wednesday 9 September 2009Match report
Slovenia boosted their FIFA World Cup ambitions and all but ended those of fancied Poland with a victory that answered coach Matjaž Kek's call to arms in emphatic fashion. A lack of answers from his own side saw Leo Beenhakker sacked.
Early strike
Kek had called the game make or break for his charges and, as the hosts fizzed the ball around right from the kick off, they played like it. They were ahead inside 13 minutes when Zlatko Dedič – a goalscorer in the 1-1 draw when these sides met in October – fired in following good work from Mišo Brečko. Dedič's strike did little to quell Slovenia's attacking ardour and the 24-year-old turned provider late on in the half as he and Andraz Kirm combined to tee up Novakovič for the simplest of finishes.
Attacking ardour
And still the hosts came in Maribor, Valter Birsa capping a fine win soon after the hour with his first goal in 28 international appearances after another Kirm assist. It leaves Poland needing an unlikely sequence of results to even finish runners-up in Group 3 and they will do so under a new coach after Polish Football Association president Grzegorz Lato announced the end of Beenhakker's rein. "It was Leo Beenhakker's last match as Poland coach," he said. "We were terrible against Slovenia and something must change. We are now looking for new coach, though we'll perhaps use a caretaker in our remaining qualifiers against the Czech Republic and Slovakia."
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Mods please merge
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we go take fuh de last 2 games.
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Too Late! Too Late!
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Too Late! Too Late!
not for 2014.
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Jack fraid him.He's actually run his show
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I don't expect that a man of Beenhakker's age still wants be coaching 5 years from now.
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Offer him a partial contract till 2011, then full time till 2014. Give him the U 20's and leh we start to build.
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Dat is ah rapid descent from hero to goat. It was just in February 2008 dat he received one of Poland's highest honors, de Order of Polonia Restituta. Now he lorse he wuk.
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I though he was an adviser to our team.
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I though he was an adviser to our team.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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I though he was an adviser to our team.
U know what thought make a man do?
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Ey when he took the Poland job, it was done with the understanding that he was still and adviser to T&T. Go back and check. Is not alcohol talking.
http://www.socawarriors.net/forum/index.php?topic=19293.0
Read de link and put it up in allyuh 4qing waggonist pweffen.
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Ey when he took the Poland job, it was done with the understanding that he was still and adviser to T&T. Go back and check. Is not alcohol talking.
Yuh right sar. just the other day i thought about that , but yuh know how trini run vikivike. but yes yuh spoke the truth, BC i read it too.
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Ey when he took the Poland job, it was done with the understanding that he was still and adviser to T&T. Go back and check. Is not alcohol talking.
Brudder we know d alcohol came from JW when he said it. Even if by some stretch of d imagination it was true. U tink after Wim get d boot he woulda still advise we.
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Just Cool I know yuh know yuh shit. Is weary and zandolie dat like assness. Who looking chupid now? Dem good oui.
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Just Cool I know yuh know yuh shit. Is weary and zandolie dat like assness. Who looking chupid now? Dem good oui.
Hello fool we all here know it is true dat d man was name adviser it was just so hilarious dat it was bought up at this time. All yuh is some real bottom learn 2 recognize sarcasm it eh 2 difficult.
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Just Cool I know yuh know yuh shit. Is weary and zandolie dat like assness. Who looking chupid now? Dem good oui.
Hello fool we all here know it is true dat d man was name adviser it was just so hilarious dat it was bought up at this time. All yuh is some real bottom learn 2 recognize sarcasm it eh 2 difficult.
that adviser business was just Jack ole talk to ease the pain of Beenies departure, he was never any adviser to us. He and Wim talk a few times and I believe Wim went to see him once or twice. But he could have done that on his own time.
Like Trini cyah take talk anymoe or what, Savannah how yuh go get vex just so :devil:
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Just Cool I know yuh know yuh shit. Is weary and zandolie dat like assness. Who looking chupid now? Dem good oui.
Hello fool we all here know it is true dat d man was name adviser it was just so hilarious dat it was bought up at this time. All yuh is some real bottom learn 2 recognize sarcasm it eh 2 difficult.
that adviser business was just Jack ole talk to ease the pain of Beenies departure, he was never any adviser to us. He and Wim talk a few times and I believe Wim went to see him once or twice. But he could have done that on his own time.
Like Trini cyah take talk anymoe or what, Savannah how yuh go get vex just so :devil:
Male Menopause
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Dat is ah rapid descent from hero to goat. It was just in February 2008 dat he received one of Poland's highest honors, de Order of Polonia Restituta. Now he lorse he wuk.
Ah wonder why...? Ill tell you why because Beenie has very good organisational skills and structural awareness however he lacks the attacking prowess. Yuh could tie plenty games with him and for some that is good enough.
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and then ah bounce up this article.. maybe its summed up to what Beenie is saying here about Poland. Maybe we too were not good enough.
http://images.football.co.uk/Fixed/Inline/letsFifa09Small.gif
BEENHAKKER: NOT GOOD ENOUGH
17 Jun 2008 - 08:04:38
Beenhakker: Not good enough
Poland coach Leo Beenhakker admitted his side had failed to reproduce their qualifying form on the big stage after exiting Euro 2008 at the first hurdle.
Poland's outside chances of finishing as Group B runners-up were ended by Monday evening's 1-0 defeat to Croatia and Germany's own 1-0 victory over Austria.
Beenhakker's side had topped their qualifying group for the tournament ahead of the likes of Portugal and Serbia, but garnered just one point from three games in Austria & Switzerland.
"Everyone is very disappointed as we wanted to do better," he admitted.
"We showed in most of the qualifying matches that we can do much better, but the players who gave us something extra in qualifying didn't do it here.
"Over the three matches, apart from some unlucky moments, we were not good enough to handle this level.
"The only thing to do is go back to the training pitch and practice to compete at this level."
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Ah wonder why...? Ill tell you why because Beenie has very good organisational skills and structural awareness however he lacks the attacking prowess. Yuh could tie plenty games with him and for some that is good enough.
How much points do you think Beenie would have gotten if he were coaching in this Hex? How many points did we drop because we don't have organization skills and structural awareness?
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Doh feel he coming back to TNT eh!! ::)
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If latas could coach the way he did tonight and organize the team well, with the right team selection, then i believe he could spring ah nice team to compete for 2014.
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Ah wonder why...? Ill tell you why because Beenie has very good organisational skills and structural awareness however he lacks the attacking prowess. Yuh could tie plenty games with him and for some that is good enough.
How much points do you think Beenie would have gotten if he were coaching in this Hex? How many points did we drop because we don't have organization skills and structural awareness?
more im sure..
An Ode to Pacho..
One thing that should be said and remembered of Pacho.. in the end he did have our Team scoring early in the game and we werent kinda or nearly scoring but scoring., and to do this in the first half for TnT is miraculous.
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Whatever residual relationship Beenie had with T&T ended when they send Wim packing back to Amsterdam.
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He advise we to not call him again.
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He advise we to not call him again.
oh fawk :rotfl:
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Whatever residual relationship Beenie had with T&T ended when they send Wim packing back to Amsterdam.
COSIGN
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He advise we to not call him again.
:beermug:
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ah read on the express that poland fire beenie after that 3-0 loss yesterday
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He advise we to not call him again.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Oh lawwwddd man...ah trying to be depressed here.... :rotfl: :rotfl:
ah read on the express that poland fire beenie after that 3-0 loss yesterday
Jaden yuh late....
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Sarcasm?...nice back tracking Miss Co4qing sign. :rotfl: You and Zandolie did not even know bout dis till ah post de link. Why de two of you doh go and jump back in allyuh dilapidated hole and come back out when it safe. Sarcasm my ass. Weary yuh must be looking for de next Dave Jenny Award. Yuh have no shame. Is wrong and strong wha allyuh was playing yesterday without knowing de facts. Yuh shoulda go and hide when yuh had a chance. Instead, yuh come back out to defend yuh dotishness. If I doh know, I does say I doh know. That's the right thing to do...not back track and twist thing round like yuh really knew de facts of wha I was talking bout in de first place. Nice try. Now do wha yuh only know how to do in dat wasted life of yours and write - COSIGN - under meh reply and gone up with allyuhself. I hope current go in allyuh area for a whole week so we could take a vacation from yuh tata.
U c I have ovah 16000 post and I eh go know dat Beenie was suppose 2 b we adviser boi go back under d hole u crawl out from. I sure Tman or Flex could find post where I commented bout that when he was appointed
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I found it myself
on: July 11, 2006, 09:32:15 PM
If Poland does well and they keep him and he stays he give up the consulatncy pay check.
the best thing about the deal is taht we have some continuity. 2010 we comin 4 them
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‘Fired’ Coach Leo Beenhakker Slams Polish FA
The Dutch coach has hit out at his former employers...
Sep 10, 2009 4:32:36 PM
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Experienced Dutch manager Leo Beenhakker was seemingly sacked as Poland's national team coach after their 3-0 World Cup qualifying defeat against Slovenia on Wednesday, and he is evidently unhappy with the situation.
"I have seen some crazy stuff during my long career, but the Polish FA have outdone everything I have seen so far. We never stood a chance against Slovenia and deserved the loss," Beenhakker told Dutch football magazine Voetbal International.
"However, things went crazy after the final whistle. I was giving an interview to a TV station and Grzegorz Lato, president of the Polish FA, announced my departure to another TV station three meters to the right. He did not even speak to me before his announcement.
"He came up to me a couple of hours later and he had clearly had too much alcohol. He apologised for what he had said on TV and invited me the next morning for a meeting in his office to discuss what will happen next.
"Apparently, he does not even have the ability to fire me without speaking to the rest of the board of the Polish FA. It now turns out that I am not sacked after all.
"Nevertheless, I am not coming back for the final two matches. I feel sorry for the players, as they are all fantastic people, but the people surrounding the national team are a bunch of amateurs."
Stefan Coerts,
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‘Fired’ Coach Leo Beenhakker Slams Polish FA
The Dutch coach has hit out at his former employers...
Sep 10, 2009 4:32:36 PM
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Leo Beenhakker
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Experienced Dutch manager Leo Beenhakker was seemingly sacked as Poland's national team coach after their 3-0 World Cup qualifying defeat against Slovenia on Wednesday, and he is evidently unhappy with the situation.
"I have seen some crazy stuff during my long career, but the Polish FA have outdone everything I have seen so far. We never stood a chance against Slovenia and deserved the loss," Beenhakker told Dutch football magazine Voetbal International.
"However, things went crazy after the final whistle. I was giving an interview to a TV station and Grzegorz Lato, president of the Polish FA, announced my departure to another TV station three meters to the right. He did not even speak to me before his announcement.
"He came up to me a couple of hours later and he had clearly had too much alcohol. He apologised for what he had said on TV and invited me the next morning for a meeting in his office to discuss what will happen next.
"Apparently, he does not even have the ability to fire me without speaking to the rest of the board of the Polish FA. It now turns out that I am not sacked after all.
"Nevertheless, I am not coming back for the final two matches. I feel sorry for the players, as they are all fantastic people, but the people surrounding the national team are a bunch of amateurs."
Stefan Coerts,
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Wowzers a Federation that's worse than ours...
Come back Leo! take a 4 years in the Sun and take us to Brazil
Anyway we need a Coach like Don Leo for the next campaign... european (english speaking) top class coach who can get the respect of the players and have them improve and become a good team in Concacaf ..also he has to be tough and not take on the shit the TTFF will do
I done with local coaches... Latapy have the best chance to become our best local coach.. he hadda get out and learn the trade and in a 10 years..maybe again
I feel Vranes getting the job till 2012 then we will bring in a top act .. cuz 4 years too expensive for the TTFF
WASTE OF f**kING TIME (ie TTFF)
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Wowzers a Federation that's worse than ours...
Come back Leo! take a 4 years in the Sun and take us to Brazil
Anyway we need a Coach like Don Leo for the next campaign... european (english speaking) top class coach who can get the respect of the players and have them improve and become a good team in Concacaf ..also he has to be tough and not take on the shit the TTFF will do
I done with local coaches... Latapy have the best chance to become our best local coach.. he hadda get out and learn the trade and in a 10 years..maybe again
I feel Vranes getting the job till 2012 then we will bring in a top act .. cuz 4 years too expensive for the TTFF
WASTE OF f**kING TIME (ie TTFF)
Nah Latas gettin d team till 2012 then dey go bring in some foreign fella who hopefully could speak English.
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if we could somehow entice Beenie into coming back latas could well be his assistant. latas could likely learn alot in the role and we have a very compitent coach leading the team.
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if we could somehow entice Beenie into coming back latas could well be his assistant. latas could likely learn alot in the role and we have a very compitent coach leading the team.
Not goin 2 happen lets move on
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If latas could coach the way he did tonight and organize the team well, with the right team selection, then i believe he could spring ah nice team to compete for 2014.
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
ah never tort i wud ever see a post like dis from u. JC, yuh full of suprises
;D
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He advise we to not call him again.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :devil:
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We would do well to get Beenhakker serving an advisory role on coach selection, he understands what a coach needs to be successful more than anybody.
Except we already have coach selection committe. It name Jack Warner
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What TT players showed me last night is that they need someone to keep a fire under their butts, because they showed that they could play with anyone if they have the right fitness and team on the field. Despite the loss, that was the best effort of the campaign and should be the first team for the next few years. It also showed that the more they play together the better they are. BTW, has anyone wondered what Yorke being next to Latapy might have had to do with the performance? I think Yorke would make a better coach. Personality and leadership skills are qualities hardly learned but bequeathed at birth! And please, can we get some frequent friendlies?
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Beenhakker pays price for Poland's World Cup failure
Dutch coach Leo Beenhakker was on Thursday sacked as Poland coach after their failure to reach the 2010 World Cup finals, national football federation chief Grzegorz Lato said.
The 67-year-old former Dutch national coach was axed after the side crashed 3-0 away to Slovenia on Wednesday.
The Slovenia game, which came after a sloppy 1-1 draw at home on Saturday to Northern Ireland, left Poland second-from-bottom of Group Three and mathematically unable to catch up in their two remaining games against leaders Slovakia and the Czech Republic.
(continue) (http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=afp-fblwc2010euro2012pol&prov=afp&type=lgns)
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You Want A Better Coach Then Bob Bradley For The Nats? Here Is My Choice
By Daniel Feuerstein (majorleaguesoccertalk.com)
Yes the USA is very close to qualifying for the 2010 World Cup for next summer and this coming October there will be two more matches remaining for the Nats when they visit Honduras on the 10th & home against Costa Rica on the 14th. Once the official word comes from FIFA that our boys have qualified for South Africa then we can watch the World Cup Draw this coming December 5th. Bob Bradley will be leading the boys whether most of us care or not.
If everyone listened to the latest podcast hosted by Kartik Krishnaiyer, once again a healthy discussion about the game here in the United States and how can the people inside soccer house have a real brain in hiring the right coach to lead our players to a better performance on the field. Well I can tell all of you who are demanding a better coach from Europe and of course are going to tell me that it should be Wenger, Sir Alex, Benitez, Mourinho, Hiddink and so on that they are from the top clubs or a top European side won’t be coming here. After the debacle of trying to sign Jurgen Klinsmann to lead our players by Sunil Gulati I can guarantee you they won’t be coming over here since all US Soccer does care about is the power.
While most of you are still screaming for Bradley getting axed and can’t give me a name outside of the fantasy realm to lead our National Team, I have found someone who has had some success in Europe and some success in CONCACAF. Yes he is Dutch and he just recently was let go by the Polish FA, but I believe he can help turn the fortunes of US Soccer around for the future. He is the former head coach of Real Madrid, Ajax & Feyenoord Leo Beenhakker.
This man that led a Trinidad & Tobago side into the last World Cup after going thru a goal aggregate playoff against Bahrain and winning it to advance. They were drawn into group B playing against Sweden, were down a man when Avery John was shown a second yellow card for red in the 46th minute and earned a scoreless draw. They held off England scoreless till an 83rd minute goal by Peter Crouch & sadly an own goal in the 25th minute allowing Paraguay to have a lead and the win but both sides were already eliminated during group play.
But here is my other belief that Beenhakker is a strong candidate to replace Bradley as the head coach, he actually praised Major League Soccer as a strong league. While coaching the Polish National Team he told one of his players to come to MLS and try to get fit. This man also knows the in’s & out’s of CONCACAF as he has seen plenty of matches for the Soca Warriors both in the 2005 Gold Cup tournament and the remaining World Cup Qualifiers they had to perform in.
Right away I can name you his assistant coach that can help him out with training, scouting & other issues that will plague Beenhakker as he gets use to his new surroundings. Current US U-20 National Team coach Thomas Rongen who has plenty of experience in MLS as the head coach of the former Tampa Bay Mutiny, DC United & a short stint with Chivas-USA. Before he got into coaching Rongen was a former Ajax player and then came over to the USA in 1979. He played with clubs in the NASL like the Washington Diplomats, Los Angeles Aztecs & Ft. Lauderdale Strikers. Rongen can still keep his U-20 coaching job and help the youth players advance towards the senior side with Beenhakker’s formations & tactics.
The main question if Beenhakker does decide to take the job and if US Soccer doesn’t botch it up is the length of stay for the Dutchman. I honestly believe a cycle for him is not enough to get his message across. The brass at US Soccer must give him two cycles to make sure that our boys are prepared and ready to fight on the field. At the same time he has to be the man in charge to tell a player that is looking lazy on the field or in training that he has no time for their shenanigans. While I don’t mind Bradley defending some of his players from the press for a bad match, sometimes he hasn’t put his foot down hard enough.
This in my view is the man to take over the Bob Bradley era after the 2010 World Cup. If some of you good folks have a better man to take over the job then go ahead and list them, but let’s not bring up the ones that everyone dreams about, because those men are to high for US Soccer to reach and will never leave their cushy jobs to come here.
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/afp/20090910/capt.photo_1252606625964-1-0.jpg)
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Funny thing about Beenie. T&T end up with Beenie as coach by default, it was a fluke. If allyuh remember Jack actually made a choice of Ron Atkinson, with Atkinson even claiming he had a contract. If it was not for Shaka and Dwight protest, Beenie would have never seen these shores. Jack made his best decision by mistake ;D
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You'll ain't see Jack say he going local-Latapy and Yorke.He must be running out of the '06 money.
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Funny thing about Beenie. T&T end up with Beenie as coach by default, it was a fluke. If allyuh remember Jack actually made a choice of Ron Atkinson, with Atkinson even claiming he had a contract. If it was not for Shaka and Dwight protest, Beenie would have never seen these shores. Jack made his best decision by mistake ;D
So it does go sometime.
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to Bafana Bafana???
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=6&click_id=19&art_id=vn20090922141144536C301818
On Monday another name was added to the mix when Dutch TV show Studio Voetbal reported that Safa were considering experienced Dutch coach Leo Beenhakker. The 67-year-old Dutchman was recently in SA as the coach of Poland.
His impressive CV includes stints as coach of Ajax Amsterdam, Feyenoord, Real Madrid, Real Zaragoza and Club America. He took Poland to Euro 2008 and Trinidad & Tobago to the 2006 World Cup.
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I just thought that it was kinda casually discussed and ah expected more. Some men say that we should have a statue built for Beenie and others say any top level coach could have done what Beenie did for us in 2005/2006. His success/failure with big clubs/national teams has been debated quite a bit, but with all de action in de various European leagues/Champions League/World Cup qualifying....I assumed I would have heard about our hero Beenie quite a bit more
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I just thought that it was kinda casually discussed and ah expected more. Some men say that we should have a statue built for Beenie and others say any top level coach could have done what Beenie did for us in 2005/2006. His success/failure with big clubs/national teams has been debated quite a bit, but with all de action in de various European leagues/Champions League/World Cup qualifying....I assumed I would have heard about our hero Beenie quite a bit more
You heard what happened?
Check it here:
Beenhakker fired live on TV by Lato after week of waste
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[Beenhakker lashed out at Lato over sacking
(2009-09-11) National football coach, Dutchman Leo Beenhakker, was sensationally fired live on TV on Wednesday evening after Poland’s hopes of making next year’s World Cup finals in South Africa were virtually extinguished after an insipid display in Slovenia.
Following on from Saturday’s 1-1 home draw against Northern Ireland, Poland went down 3-0 in Maribor making qualification virtually impossible regardless of the results of their final 2 Group 3 games.
The forgettable evening, which saw a performance from the national side which showed a complete absence of passion and skill, took a humiliating turn once the match was over. Beenhakker, who doesn’t speak Polish and communicated with the players via English, German and Dutch, was standing pitch-side with a journalist from the daily Rzeczpospolita newspaper. Yards away, PZPN president Grzegorz Lato, Golden Boot winner at the 1974 World Cup, was being interviewed by national TV broadcaster TVP. Quoted on TVN24, Beenhakker explained what then took place.
“I was stood on the pitch waiting for an interview and the reporter translated for me the conversation which, just three metres away, was taking place with the president of PZPN. I heard “Hey, looks like you’ve been sacked.” Afterwards Lato came over to me and invited me to come on Tuesday for a chat. Is that his class? Did he have too much to drink? I won’t exchange a single word with him now and I won’t shake his hand. I am the first person to take responsibility for how the national team played. I should be sacked but not in such a way. This isn’t level zero. This is level minus 5.”
Beenhakker was clearly upset at the post match press conference and pledged to have finished with Poland. This met with the question about how he could be officially sacked if he wasn’t going to meet anyone from PZPN. “Email” he answered. “Most matters were dealt with in this way. There is nothing to discuss. They pay me two months money and that’s it.”
Beenhakker returned to Amsterdam that evening where he launched a scathing attack on radio against Lato and the PZPN accusing them of a lack of culture and repeating the accusation that Lato must have been feeling the effects of high emotion and too much alcohol to have made the announcement on live TV without having first spoken to him.
Speaking to TVN 24 Lato admitted his imprudence. ‘I regret the words I said in the heat of the moment, but I’m also human and just want Poland to play in the World Cup. I should have told him first, then gone to the journalists’. Lato has already stated a replacement will be announced next week, with Franciszek Szmuda, Henryk Kasperczak, Stefan Majewski and Mateusz Skorza all identified as possible candidates.
With World Cup qualification unlikely, whoever succeeds will be under orders to put out of the fires and restore confidence ahead of Euro 2012.
Source: (http://www.newpolandexpress.pl/npe_news_story-1192-beenhakker_fired_live_on_tv_by_lato_after_week_of_waste.php)
Yuh tink dem peeps easy? :rotfl: