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13.01.2010 12:57
Xavi World’s Best Playmaker
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The International Federation of Football History and Statistics (IFFHS) has named Xavi Hernández as the World’s Best Playmaker 2009. Messi came second and Iniesta fourth.
Barça continues to accumulate awards. This time it’s the International Federation of Football History and Statistics. Following on from the recognition of Josep Guardiola as World Club Coach 2009, and Víctor Valdés as sixth in the ranking of the World’s Best Goalkeeper, Xavi Hernández has been named as best playmaker, an award he also won in 2008.
Messi and Iniesta
Xavi, who will receive the award on 1st February in London, finished just ahead of team-mate Leo Messi while Iniesta finished fourth behind Kaká. That’s three of the top four for Barça.
The home-grown midfielder was the only new face in the top seven compared with the previous year. According to the IFFHS, he received the award because of his “intelligent way of playing”. The jury was made up of representatives of 81 countries from across world.
The classification
PLAYER VOTES
1- Xavi (FCB) 164
2- Messi (FCB) 163
3- Kaká (Madrid) 99
4- Iniesta (FCB) 98
5- Gerrard (Liverpool) 54
6- Cesc (Arsenal) 45
7- C. Ronaldo (Madrid) 41
8- Lampard (Chelsea) 35
9- Pirlo (Milan) 26
10- Verón (Estudiantes) 13
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damn, i thought i would see a trini in d top 10............ah mean.........d top 1000, but i guess i was wrong........oh well...............let us move on. oh by the way, i whole heartedly agree with that selection of xavi as the main man around the world as playmaker.
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Gerrard & Cesc ahead of Cristiano Ronaldo?
Lampard in de top 10?
WTF does wrong wit dese people? ::)
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Gerrard & Cesc ahead of Cristiano Ronaldo?
Lampard in de top 10?
WTF does wrong wit dese people? ::)
Cosign. Me eh even know WHAT gerrard name doin' in de same paragraph!
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Gerrard & Cesc ahead of Cristiano Ronaldo?
Lampard in de top 10?
WTF does wrong wit dese people? ::)
Cosign. Me eh even know WHAT gerrard name doin' in de same paragraph!
Serious? I find Steve G belong there but then again I haven't watched Liverpool games recently
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Pirlo Internationally dont care what your stats say, big players win big games and shouldnt be rated overall for fair judgment.
Best club midfielder = Darren Fletcher(MAN UTD) reason why Barca is Euro Champs. That one undeserved booking changed so many things..
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Pirlo Internationally dont care what your stats say, big players win big games and shouldnt be rated overall for fair judgment.
Best club midfielder = Darren Fletcher(MAN UTD) reason why Barca is Euro Champs. That one undeserved booking changed so many things..
Man U fans real believe this tho..shaking my head...
the list is accurate imo...the players on the list are all major katalysts for all their teams...
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Pirlo Internationally dont care what your stats say, big players win big games and shouldnt be rated overall for fair judgment.
Best club midfielder = Darren Fletcher(MAN UTD) reason why Barca is Euro Champs. That one undeserved booking changed so many things..
Stay home and talk dat! People talking about Playmaker not Playbreaker.
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I would have to agree as a playmaker XAVI is the best at his craft. He can dribble and his passes are spot on and he runs the offence for Barca!
Fletcher is a good midfielder and very important to United, however he is not in the top 10 playmakers!! If it was a list of defensive mids he would probably make the list !!
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Best club midfielder = Darren Fletcher(MAN UTD) reason why Barca is Euro Champs. That one undeserved booking changed so many things..
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Too much hard drugs.
I see muh boy Veron still makin a significant impact.
Where Riquelme?
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Pirlo Internationally dont care what your stats say, big players win big games and shouldnt be rated overall for fair judgment.
Best club midfielder = Darren Fletcher(MAN UTD) reason why Barca is Euro Champs. That one undeserved booking changed so many things..
The booking was well-deserved and fletcher need to learn to cool he lil nashy self. As far as the final went, Barca beat manu in every position and at every facet of the game in that game. fletcher couldn't have and wouldn't have changed anything in that game, Bredda. Sorry to buss yuh bubble. manu were played off the park. The man who needed to come up with magic was alex and if you go back and watch the footage, he was sitting in stunned silence on the bench. No animation, no gesticulation, no berating of the officials. His face went from the usual burnt-tan red, to white-flag white.
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Best club midfielder = Darren Fletcher(MAN UTD) reason why Barca is Euro Champs. That one undeserved booking changed so many things..
Doh study dem fellas boy shotta12. You in excellent company.
Pele did say dat Nicky Butt was de best player in de world durin de 2002 World Cup in Korea too.
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Best club midfielder = Darren Fletcher(MAN UTD) reason why Barca is Euro Champs. That one undeserved booking changed so many things..
Doh study dem fellas boy shotta12. You in excellent company.
Pele did say dat Nicky Butt was de best player in de world durin de 2002 World Cup in Korea too.
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Yuh had meh there, Palos...........for a split second!
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How someone like Darren Fletcher name reach in this talk?? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
lewwe talk bout players nuh man... steups
Fletcher eh good. He's a role player that over-achieving right now but will soon regress to the mean as did other players of his ilk like Nicky Butt and John O'Shea. He is an average player who makes up for his limitations with effort, grit and wildness..
Darren fletcher... steupsssssss
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I find that is admirable for Veron to be on the list seeing that he is no longer a european player...I think Diego should be on the list though
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weys alyuh men tear meh up with dis eh lol.. He is a defensive midfielder its true.. my bad..
However United style doesn't involved a playmaker.. at all...United hardly ever goes down the middle, most of the goals come from the flanks long after beckham left.
I don't agree that United were played off the park, they had some bad luck and fletcher did what roy use to in the middle of the park. Losing the most important part of the midfield was the main reason United lost to Barcalona.
I have seen xavi and company kept in check by US men so not impressed with the Spanish midfield.
Oh well.. sure Nedved retired but to me he did a better job than zidane. Diego over-rated and ugly.
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I don't agree that United were played off the park...
They were schooled. After the first 10-15 mins they barely made a note.
Maybe not schooled in the manner of Giant vs Minnow...but taking into consideration that it was a clash of giants- they were schooled.
They chased shadows to the tune of "OLE" for decent periods of the game, they didn't force much (if anything) out of Valdes, they were shut out, broken down, exposed, picked apart and they couldn't really lay claim to any notable positives...
Summary- they were played off the park.
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I don't agree that United were played off the park...
They were schooled. After the first 10-15 mins they barely made a note.
Maybe not schooled in the manner of Giant vs Minnow...but taking into consideration that it was a clash of giants- they were schooled.
They chased shadows to the tune of "OLE" for decent periods of the game, they didn't force much (if anything) out of Valdes, they were shut out, broken down, exposed, picked apart and they couldn't really lay claim to any notable positives...
Summary- they were played off the park.
United had a game plan, the team that scores first in a finals usually goes on to win it. They tried to put Barca on the back leg by scoring early, it didn't happen. Fletcher was not there to marchall the midfield, so United couldn't break down the Barca attack, made a couple mistakes and paid for it.
Bet you Barca don't win this CL this time...
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Bet you Barca don't win this CL this time...
What does that have to do with Man U getting played off the park in the game?
As for Man U's plan, if you were privy to that then then more power to you. Whatever it was the plan didn't work (unless the plan was to get schooled)..... they were played off the park, and I guess it takes a certain amount of objectivity (that you don't have) to admit it.
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I don't agree that United were played off the park...
They were schooled. After the first 10-15 mins they barely made a note.
Maybe not schooled in the manner of Giant vs Minnow...but taking into consideration that it was a clash of giants- they were schooled.
They chased shadows to the tune of "OLE" for decent periods of the game, they didn't force much (if anything) out of Valdes, they were shut out, broken down, exposed, picked apart and they couldn't really lay claim to any notable positives...
Summary- they were played off the park.
United had a game plan, the team that scores first in a finals usually goes on to win it. They tried to put Barca on the back leg by scoring early, it didn't happen. Fletcher was not there to marchall the midfield, so United couldn't break down the Barca attack, made a couple mistakes and paid for it.
Bet you Barca don't win this CL this time...
lol..
If man utd's supposed game plan was to put barca on the back foot by scoring early, then why would fergie put out a side timid 4-5-1 lineup with Ronaldo up front and Rooney park out on the wing?
i think Fergie has to take alot of responsibility for that tepid performance that Man Utd put out on that day. For me, Fletcher's abscence is a little way down the list of reasons that they lost so easily.. #1 reason being that Barca were technically, tactically and by far the better team.
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and definitely not Man U........but u really rating up fletcher for real?
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weys alyuh men tear meh up with dis eh lol.. He is a defensive midfielder its true.. my bad..
However United style doesn't involved a playmaker.. at all...United hardly ever goes down the middle, most of the goals come from the flanks long after beckham left.
I don't agree that United were played off the park, they had some bad luck and fletcher did what roy use to in the middle of the park. Losing the most important part of the midfield was the main reason United lost to Barcalona.
I have seen xavi and company kept in check by US men so not impressed with the Spanish midfield.
Oh well.. sure Nedved retired but to me he did a better job than zidane. Diego over-rated and ugly.
In 1999 Roy did not play in the CL final and they won it anyway. United against Barca as a team were poor on the day, especially the back four. Iniesta threaded a pass for Eto & Vidic got schooled on the first goal and then Xavi set up Messi who jumps over Rio and scored.
The people are talking about playmaker for 2009 and Xavi was outstanding for Barca.
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Funny how Barca get lucky and all of a sudden everyone on their Bandwagon.. messi dis.. and xavi dat.. ibra this.. and puyol that...
I hate puyol... he is nasty not fletcher... And for the record look at the replay fletcher got the ball first, not his fault the ref was out of position to make the correct call on the day.
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First Fletcher is the best midfielder now Barca get lucky. :rotfl:
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First Fletcher is the best midfielder now Barca get lucky. :rotfl:
Stay tuned fuh England winnin de 2010 World Cup in South Africa. Dat comin soon from shotta12.
If is one ting, he consistent wit de good company. bake and shark say de same ting. ;D
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Darren Fletcher is no where close to a playmaker....he might distribute the ball from within his half but he's not a creative player who can break down defences using skill and flair. He's not one to make something out of nothing to create chances for his team but he's a hardworker and plays a vital role as a defensive mid.
I cyar believe Lampard and Gerrard in the top 10 of the World's Best Playmakers. Those fellas techically sound and I enjoy watching them but to rate them ahead of Pirlo and Veron is madness and to make matters worse Ronaldinho not on this list???
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Yuh know, Shotta12's comments sound a lot like some of Small Mag's in the past.
Man U fans does be in their own world.
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Darren Fletcher is no where close to a playmaker....he might distribute the ball from within his half but he's not a creative player who can break down defences using skill and flair. He's not one to make something out of nothing to create chances for his team but he's a hardworker and plays a vital role as a defensive mid.
I cyar believe Lampard and Gerrard in the top 10 of the World's Best Playmakers. Those fellas techically sound and I enjoy watching them but to rate them ahead of Pirlo and Veron is madness and to make matters worse Ronaldinho not on this list???
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This I agree with, I myself couldn't figure out what men like Lampard, Gerrard and even Messi was doing on this list.
when I think playmaker i think either Pirlo/Fabregas, picking it up from defence and creating from midfield or Xavi/Iniesta, collecting in the middle/attacking third and creating chances for the strikers.
the game today doesn't have that many true playmakers to be honest.
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Darren Fletcher is no where close to a playmaker....he might distribute the ball from within his half but he's not a creative player who can break down defences using skill and flair. He's not one to make something out of nothing to create chances for his team but he's a hardworker and plays a vital role as a defensive mid.
I cyar believe Lampard and Gerrard in the top 10 of the World's Best Playmakers. Those fellas techically sound and I enjoy watching them but to rate them ahead of Pirlo and Veron is madness and to make matters worse Ronaldinho not on this list???
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This I agree with, I myself couldn't figure out what men like Lampard, Gerrard and even Messi was doing on this list.
when I think playmaker i think either Pirlo/Fabregas, picking it up from defence and creating from midfield or Xavi/Iniesta, collecting in the middle/attacking third and creating chances for the strikers.
the game today doesn't have that many true playmakers to be honest.
dinho it is a legit question. My guess is they are simply looking at the 2008-09 season and the stats show these players as among the top in their respective leagues in assist, while their clubs achieved success. Now I may be so far off that I could get a role in the movie LOST.
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No united fans besides me.. i feel like a lonely crab in a barrel lol
alyuh men tear meh up.. my backside will not be the same again!
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It's been a while since ah man talk such ah pack ah unmitigated sh!t that the whole thread phoqing him up. Brings me back to the days of TI and Hardest.
Xavi Hernández (FC Barcelona)
"This kid will retire me," Pep Guardiola said of Xavi when the Barcelona coach was nearing the end of his days as the team’s midfield metronome. Guardiola noted Xavi’s rich promise then; now he is reaping the full benefits of a talent in its prime. Fresh from guiding his country to UEFA EURO 2008™ glory, the 29-year-old Camp Nou playmaker conquered Europe with his club. His display in the UEFA Champions League final underlined his season-long excellence as, besides orchestrating what Manchester United FC boss Sir Alex Ferguson called Barcelona's "passing carousel", he set up the clinching second goal for Lionel Messi with a precise far-post cross. "This is an honour," Xavi said of his award. "It's very important on an individual level. It's a sign things have gone well, that people have really appreciated my football. I believe I'm at the best club in the world for me, with the best vision of football – I know I owe a lot to Barcelona."
This was taken form an article after Xavi won Best Midfielder of the 08/09 Champions League season.
Funny how Barca get lucky and all of a sudden everyone on their Bandwagon.
Shotta, just for my education, explain exactly where and when Barca "get lucky" as you so eloquently put it??
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Funny how Barca get lucky and all of a sudden everyone on their Bandwagon.
Shotta, just for my education, explain exactly where and when Barca "get lucky" as you so eloquently put it??
Barca get lucky and find six trophies under a hedge behind de Nou Camp... or something ridiculous so i feel Shotta mean... de same place Man U find No. 1 best playmaker Fletcherinho
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Xavi eh no jes come needah.
Who was named de MVP of Euro 2008?
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It's been a while since ah man talk such ah pack ah unmitigated sh!t that the whole thread phoqing him up. Brings me back to the days of TI and Hardest.
Xavi Hernández (FC Barcelona)
"This kid will retire me," Pep Guardiola said of Xavi when the Barcelona coach was nearing the end of his days as the team’s midfield metronome. Guardiola noted Xavi’s rich promise then; now he is reaping the full benefits of a talent in its prime. Fresh from guiding his country to UEFA EURO 2008™ glory, the 29-year-old Camp Nou playmaker conquered Europe with his club. His display in the UEFA Champions League final underlined his season-long excellence as, besides orchestrating what Manchester United FC boss Sir Alex Ferguson called Barcelona's "passing carousel", he set up the clinching second goal for Lionel Messi with a precise far-post cross. "This is an honour," Xavi said of his award. "It's very important on an individual level. It's a sign things have gone well, that people have really appreciated my football. I believe I'm at the best club in the world for me, with the best vision of football – I know I owe a lot to Barcelona."
This was taken form an article after Xavi won Best Midfielder of the 08/09 Champions League season.
Funny how Barca get lucky and all of a sudden everyone on their Bandwagon.
Shotta, just for my education, explain exactly where and when Barca "get lucky" as you so eloquently put it??
They got lucky. Barca had easier route to meet a United side in the final without a key midfielder in the name Fletcherinho. In La Liga.. Real wasn't doing well without a decent first team and a serious manager, thats why teams like Villareal etc get to shine and Barca manage to win a title, let them try it again this time with kaka and cr7 in white.
Also.. XAVI DIVED and with the HELP of the ref was awarded a penalty that saw Barca threw in the FIFA WORLD CLUB.
When you think of class and quality only three teams comes to mind, JUVE, MANU AND GET REAL SON.
Barca was never a great team and they still not a great team, great teams are made of red, white and black and a little thing called class, NOT LUCK.
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This is de best thread in a long time :rotfl:
sHOTTA12 for breakout poster of 2010
This de best part... from a man who backing de luckiest "big" side EVER to grace de planet :rotfl:
When you think of class and quality only three teams comes to mind, JUVE, MANU AND GET REAL SON.
Barca was never a great team and they still not a great team, great teams are made of red, white and black and a little thing called class, NOT LUCK.
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You guys need to stop feeding de trolls
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You guys need to stop feeding de trolls
Thanks boss!!
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Look at cuss i going and get now fuh dis eh.. but ah ready fuh de battle cause we reds dont fraid nobody !!!
Funny when Real were dominating the world their fans were never cocky like Barca ones, know why? BECAUSE Barca gets lucky.
La Liga titles
This is Madrid record:31
Barca: 19 La Liga titles.
Champions League titles:
Real : 9
Barca: 3
One lucky year of football is NOT GOOD ENUF!
anyways for those of you guys that agree with me you can add me on facebook.com/eganksta
send me a pm with ur aka :)
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They got lucky. Barca had easier route to meet a United side in the final without a key midfielder in the name Fletcherinho. In La Liga.. Real wasn't doing well without a decent first team and a serious manager, thats why teams like Villareal etc get to shine and Barca manage to win a title, let them try it again this time with kaka and cr7 in white.
Also.. XAVI DIVED and with the HELP of the ref was awarded a penalty that saw Barca threw in the FIFA WORLD CLUB.
When you think of class and quality only three teams comes to mind, JUVE, MANU AND GET REAL SON.
Barca was never a great team and they still not a great team, great teams are made of red, white and black and a little thing called class, NOT LUCK.
Even as a Real Madrid fan I will tell yuh that yuh talkin' real sh*t. First of all, Villareal eh never shine at the expense of Real Madrid...Madrid always finished ahead of them in the league. Villareal has had their bright moments due to their own quality football....that's all...
All the dodgy Madrid has been dodgy in recent seasons, Barcelona last season was beating anybody, I eh care who yuh support or where yuh from, that's just how it is- hats off to them- they were among the best the game has ever seen.
In the last 9 la liga seasons Madrid has won 4 Barcelona 3 and Valencia 2. Barca's 3 titles coming in the last 5 seasons, and Valencia hasn't won since 03/04...so it's been a two horse race in recent years...no luck, just 2 giants separating themselves from the pack with Barca defending their crown bravely so far....
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They got lucky. Barca had easier route to meet a United side in the final without a key midfielder in the name Fletcherinho. In La Liga.. Real wasn't doing well without a decent first team and a serious manager, thats why teams like Villareal etc get to shine and Barca manage to win a title, let them try it again this time with kaka and cr7 in white.
Also.. XAVI DIVED and with the HELP of the ref was awarded a penalty that saw Barca threw in the FIFA WORLD CLUB.
When you think of class and quality only three teams comes to mind, JUVE, MANU AND GET REAL SON.
Barca was never a great team and they still not a great team, great teams are made of red, white and black and a little thing called class, NOT LUCK.
Even as a Real Madrid fan I will tell yuh that yuh talkin' real sh*t. First of all, Villareal eh never shine at the expense of Real Madrid...Madrid always finished ahead of them in the league. Villareal has had their bright moments due to their own quality football....that's all...
All the dodgy Madrid has been dodgy in recent seasons, Barcelona last season was beating anybody, I eh care who yuh support or where yuh from, that's just how it is- hats off to them- they were among the best the game has ever seen.
In the last 9 la liga seasons Madrid has won 4 Barcelona 3 and Valencia 2. Barca's 3 titles coming in the last 5 seasons, and Valencia hasn't won since 03/04...so it's been a two horse race in recent years...no luck, just 2 giants separating themselves from the pack with Barca defending their crown bravely so far....
Thanks for a nice clean reply man. And true I am not denying that they had a good run of form but they needed alot of luck to produce some of the results that went their way. I am happy for Barca and what they accomplished, however now that things have changed for Madrid lets see if they can repeat such a successful season at Camp Nou.
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Barca played over man u in the 08 semi but one bad pass by zambrotta gave scholes a free shot on top the box that caused us the game...but that wasnt happening 2 yrs in a row....Fergie was clueless...i wanna know why wud u pay 30 mil for a player and not even start him...Fergie said thet Xavi and Iniesta probably never gave away a ball in their life....A few months ago fergie still in shock and he said he wondered if Man u stayed in the right hotel and all kinda bullshit.....The rookie out coached the veteran...
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Shotta boy, ah hadda gih yuh credit.....yuh refuse to take yuh lix and move on. Yuh jes' keep comin' back fuh more lix....REFUSIN' to dead. Yuh remind meh of Peter Sellers in de opening scenes in "The Party." Nutting cyah kill yuh off at all. Even de one FF ress on yuh, make meh laugh 'til meh belly hurtin' meh! ......and yuh STILL come back! Yuh could afford to end up wit an abusive spouse.
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Leh meh see Fletcherinho put down a pass so nuh.
http://www.d1g.com/video/space/sports/show/?id=3480773 (http://www.d1g.com/video/space/sports/show/?id=3480773)
I guess Xavi did this by luck as well?!?!
Not because he doh make the headlines and grabs all the plaudits doesn't mean he eh good.
Take a look a the CL finals where he controlled the whole midfield and the few times they lost the ball, he was the first one back putting in the tackles, winning the ball and giving it to Iniesta to run riot.
He does not have the individual flair like others but what he does do, he is one of the best at. Which is, receive the ball from the defense, his head is always up, keep possession with 2-3 players marking him, and make a pass that makes you wonder, HOW HE DO THAT BOY?
Also see your Spain Euro 08 tapes.
Casillas is another player that does not get the respect that he so often deserves. I have seen games where Real have lost 3-1. Anyone who did not see the game will say, "that keep leak real goals boy!" When in fact, the man save Real from getting about 20 goal in dey ass.
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Funny how Barca get lucky and all of a sudden everyone on their Bandwagon.. messi dis.. and xavi dat.. ibra this.. and puyol that...
I hate puyol... he is nasty not fletcher... And for the record look at the replay fletcher got the ball first, not his fault the ref was out of position to make the correct call on the day.
Are you for real?
I have not seen one person write so much crap in a while. And to be persistent about it too???
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Funny how Barca get lucky and all of a sudden everyone on their Bandwagon.. messi dis.. and xavi dat.. ibra this.. and puyol that...
I hate puyol... he is nasty not fletcher... And for the record look at the replay fletcher got the ball first, not his fault the ref was out of position to make the correct call on the day.
Are you for real?
I have not seen one person write so much crap in a while. And to be persistent about it too???
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
:rotfl: Ah tell alyuh de man persistent like Peter Sellers boy. Like sHOTTA is de new Pink Panther!