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MANNING MUM ON CHURCH
Jack charges Chinese building private structure:
Juhel Browne jbrowne@trinidadexpress.com
Opposition Chief Whip Jack Warner displayed a large photograph in the Parliament yesterday, of what he claims is a ’private church’ being built by Chinese workers from Shanghai, and asked Prime Minister Patrick Manning if it is being built with taxpayers’ money.
Warner claimed the church is being built in the Heights of Guanapo, east of Arima.
He made the allegation during yesterday’s sitting of the House of Representatives at the Red House, Port of Spain, during his contribution to the debate on the bill meant to establish the controversial Trinidad and Tobago Revenue Authority (TTRA).
The allegation came in response to comments made earlier in the debate by Culture Minister, Marlene McDonald, that the legislation will allow the Government to capture the revenue it is losing from the existing system that governs tax and duties collection.
Warner said he had received the photograph in his ’small post box’ after he returned home from a trip abroad on Thursday.
’Mr Speaker, this picture, I’m told, is a picture of a church being built in Guanapo Heights by some Shanghai Chinese. I’m told, Mr Speaker, I ask the question, this is the issue, I ask the question, is this where the money is designed to go,’ Warner said.
He then said ’if’ the information he received is correct ’can the Prime Minister’ confirm or deny it.
’Can the PM tell this House whether, of course, ... he knows anything about this church. Mr Prime Minister, can you tell us, please?’ Warner asked.
Manning did not rise to his feet to respond.
’Oh you wouldn’t answer, okay,’ Warner said.
He later alleged the church is being built with taxpayers’ money.
’Tell us, Mr Prime Minister, if it is not taxpayers’ money, with whose money? Tell us?’ Warner asked.
Again, Manning did not respond.
Speaking to reporters during the tea-break of yesterday’s Lower House sitting, Warner recalled Manning had once said he planned to take up preaching after politics.
On October 13, 2006, Manning revealed his plan to preach when his political career comes to an end in an article written by Marie Y. Thibault, editor-in-chief of The Tech, the newspaper of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in Boston, USA.
The interview was published in the form of a Q&A and near the end of it, Thibault, who is identified as TT (The Tech), asked Manning, who is identified as PM, what he intended to do after his political career has ended. Manning told Thibault that his life in politics had motivated him to become a full-time preacher. He also told The Tech that he would not die in office.
Warner told reporters yesterday that the site where the alleged church is being built already has security on it.
’I know the guy (who sent him the photograph) went to get pictures, they have security who ran them off ... from the land. In fact, they got T&TEC connection which they should not have gotten, which they were instructed to be given connection and all these things I was told in a letter in my postbox,’ Warner said.
He said Manning’s lack of response to his questions about it in the Parliament has raised even more questions about the structure.
’He has me now thinking some more. All he had to do, I was giving him a chance to answer, all he had to do was stand up and say that is not correct, that it is a nonsense, it is a fabrication, it is arrant nonsense and all he had to do was tell me all of that and I would have sat down. I gave him a chance to say so and the fact that he didn’t respond now, of course, put some bells on me and now I will send back an official person to investigate and get some pictures,’ Warner said.
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warner talking about money? Im shocked
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Patos, watch yuhself pardna... JW eh palancing, he's a licensed dustbin terrier now.
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lol / steupse.
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Using state land and state funds in this shady way to construct a church building is horrendous.An allegation like that should be met with a prompt denial.Not a word from them, steups. I kinda tired....
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PM AND A SEERWOMAN
Links in mystery church in Arima revealed
Wednesday, February 24th 2010
Trinidad Express
MYSTERY: Prime Minister Patrick Manning has so far offered no comment on the mysterious church called "Jesus The Light of This World Ministries" in Guanapo, Arima, but a three-way link is emerging-that of Manning, the church and a faceless seerwoman.
New details have emerged about the mystery church being constructed in the Heights of Guanapo to which Prime Minister Patrick Manning has been linked but about which he remains so silent.
Work may have begun in January of this year, but the Urban Development Corporation of Trinidad and Tobago (UDeCOTT) had hired two local firms some four years ago to do design and engineering works on the project, according to an exclusive TV6 report last night. UDeCOTT has denied it’s responsible for the project, but key people in engineering and architecture say otherwise. Furthermore, there appears to be what sources describe as a shocking link among the church, the prime minister and a spiritual woman.
TV6 last night stated it had confirmed that controversial State-owned UDeCOTT is the State organisation hired by Prime Minister Patrick Manning himself to construct the multi-million-dollar mystery church up in Guanapo Heights in Arima.
’TV6 investigations have found out that back in 2005, the project was conceptualised by the prime minister himself. Back then, he contracted UDeCOTT to execute design and engineering jobs. The UDeCOTT team, which was led by its controversial executive chairman Calder Hart, then hired two top, respected local firms to do these engineering and design works,’ the report stated.
These were Tragarete Road-based engineers Consulting Engineers Partnerships, CEP and Maraval-based architects Design Collaborative Limited. These firms, TV6 News indicated, had actually prepared the design of the church, but when it came to executing the project, they were told at the last minute they would not be used any more.
Instead, Chinese firm Shanghai Construction Limited was hired to do the job and has, so far, been executing works on the controversial project. UDeCOTT has, so far, denied that it’s behind the construction, but the company is yet to comment on its role regarding its commissioning of the design of the church.
TV6 News reported in its exposé of this apparent ’secret project’ that the church is being constructed on State lands up in Arima.
According to sources, the projected cost of the project is close to $20 million. Residents of the area have said they observed Manning on the site last year. The church, reportedly to be called ’The Lighthouse of the Lord Jesus Christ’ had its cornerstone laid on December 30, 2005 by Reverend Juliana Pena.
TV6 said its sources have confirmed she is a spiritual adviser to the prime minister. Sources say her correct name is Juliana Pierre Devenish, and she hails from Arima.
This was the woman who American televangelist Benny Hinn claimed to have been introduced by Manning during his crusades in Trinidad in 2006. On international television, Hinn had criticised Manning for claiming the woman had a special gift. Hinn had said then that Manning told him: ’I want her to pray for you and give you the Word. ’I take her with me everywhere,’ he (Manning) said. ’God speaks to me through her. She’s been a great blessing to my Government.’ And I’m (Hinn) thinking: ’you foolish man’!’ Hinn’s rebuke of Manning was raised in the Parliament by then Oropouche MP Roodal Moonilal, who made fun of the prime minister.
Manning later stated he had forgiven Hinn for the ’inaccurate statements’ he made about events that transpired during a meeting at the Crowne Plaza in 2006.
TV6 said it was told that the woman travels, at taxpayers’ expense and afforded diplomatic courtesies, with the prime minister on foreign trips. She goes a day or two before Manning actually lands in his destination to determine whether the prime minister is spiritually safe, TV6 was informed.
TV6 said it was also told by insiders that she was commissioned to visit Zimbabwe last year as a special envoy of the Trinidad and Tobago Government, but this was never made public. Manning has, so far, refused to comment on this entire issue. He has publicly said though that when he retires from politics, he wants to be a full-time preacher in the born-again Christian faith.
The issue of the church was raised in Parliament last Friday by UNC MP Jack Warner. Warner displayed a large photograph of the church and asked Manning whether it was being built with taxpayers’ money. Warner repeatedly called on Manning to respond, but the prime minister failed to do so. Warner later noted that Manning’s lack of response to his queries raised even more questions about the church.
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Some nice comess brewing here. :-X
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:rotfl: and u know what? chances r nothing would come of this situation if anything in the article is true
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:rotfl: and u know what? chances r nothing would come of this situation if anything in the article is true
When UNC was in power Karim UNC Chairman wife is alledge that she get church build by d govt. So not 1 tink go happen
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Using state land and state funds in this shady way to construct a church building is horrendous.An allegation like that should be met with a prompt denial.Not a word from them, steups. I kinda tired....
There have been MANY, MANY instances of the government using state funds and state lands to build not just churches but also mosques, and temples.
That said, he should talk about ti openly and he should resign as political leader of the PNM asap.
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di man build he own house, he build he own entertainment center alyuh eh say nothing now allyuh vexs wid di man because he building he own church. Manning tek dem money and build yu own thing eh bredda . jes doh let panday get back in power cause yu guh have to build yu own Freeking jail too!!!!!!
war
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Rift in church at Guanapo Heights
MICHELLE LOUBON
Published: 25 Feb 2010
Trinidad Guardian
Juliana Pena has grabbed headlines as the “seerwoman” for Prime Minister Patrick Manning. But for a small group of worshippers at the Jesus the Light of This World Ministries on Cemetery Street, Heights of Guanapo, Arima, she was once a founding member of their church and a member of their congregation. The Light of This World Ministries is located a stone’s throw from the site of the construction of the now contentious church, named Lighthouse Ministries of Christ. They view Pena as a “born again Christian” and not a “seerwoman”. Around 2007, a rift broke out and Pena left taking some members of the congregation. In 2004, Pena pioneered worship services there. Pausing from their midday service yesterday, evangelist Shirlain Fermin said: “Over here is Jesus The Light of this World Ministries and over there is Lighthouse Ministries of Christ.
“Reverend Pena took some of the members of the church and left. Their church is going up over there. She adios out of town. We remained here.” Fermin said there were plans in the mix to build the church. “Reverend Pena had all the designs and plans for the buildings. The plans were made out. The contractors knew about it since 2006. It was already going to be done. But it is now taking place,” added Fermin. She also said she had recently returned from Boston, USA. Quizzed on whether she knew PM Manning or he was known to Pena, Fermin admitted she never really interacted with him like Pena. However, she said: “The Lord has him with us. Not in the services but in the spiritual realm.
“I was in the same building with him but I didn’t interact with him. He has been with us at services in Chaguanas and Calvary Revival Centre,” added Fermin. Questioned about whether they had seen PM Manning on the site, Fermin said: “Long ago he visited. Since it has been in the news he has not visited.” Fermin said Pena was mixed, African and East Indian descent, with curly hair, about five feet, four inches tall and of a thick-slim built. Before the rift, she said, Pena laid the cornerstone for the church. Back then, they knew she rented in Arima but they were not sure where she now lived.
A sense of pride registered when she described Fermin as a “travelling international missionary”. She said: “She is now like a travelling international missionary. Wherever the Lord leads, she goes there. “She has been to Africa, Phillipines, meeting with presidents and doing the Lord’s work. She goes to different places. She has no home.” Fermin said the Lord was now raising up a new work. Their church services are on the second floor of the building, she said.
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di man build he own house, he build he own entertainment center alyuh eh say nothing now allyuh vexs wid di man because he building he own church. Manning tek dem money and build yu own thing eh bredda . jes doh let panday get back in power cause yu guh have to build yu own Freeking jail too!!!!!!
war
You is ah clown, seriously, Panday get back in power? steups, how? He having ah coup?
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Using state land and state funds in this shady way to construct a church building is horrendous.An allegation like that should be met with a prompt denial.Not a word from them, steups. I kinda tired....
There have been MANY, MANY instances of the government using state funds and state lands to build not just churches but also mosques, and temples.
That said, he should talk about ti openly and he should resign as political leader of the PNM asap.
Yuh first statement had meh worried because I though t yuh was going to bat for Manning on party lines.
I imagine that a political leader claiming that God speaks to him through a priestess is a big turn off to you.
I actually didn’t know that Hinn and Manning fall out and that it was brought up as far back as 2006. By my rules he in power 4 years to long already. Any political leader leading people based on his personal faith is a jackass.
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Quote for the Truth ^
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Using state land and state funds in this shady way to construct a church building is horrendous.An allegation like that should be met with a prompt denial.Not a word from them, steups. I kinda tired....
There have been MANY, MANY instances of the government using state funds and state lands to build not just churches but also mosques, and temples.
That said, he should talk about ti openly and he should resign as political leader of the PNM asap.
Yuh first statement had meh worried because I though t yuh was going to bat for Manning on party lines.
I imagine that a political leader claiming that God speaks to him through a priestess is a big turn off to you.
I actually didn’t know that Hinn and Manning fall out and that it was brought up as far back as 2006. By my rules he in power 4 years to long already. Any political leader leading people based on his personal faith is a jackass.
EVERY political leader leads people on his personal faith in some way or the other.
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I thought it was ah African lady ,he had dealing for him .let them gor head with them thing .
before the church open watch .....
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When a political leader believes with all his being that he is ordained by God to lead.....that nation is real shit.
Look at what is going on in Trinidad now.
Manning eh listening to anyone at all, becasue he have God talking to him through some Preacher woman.
Jeezan ages!
MANNING SHOULD LEAVE THE PNM NOW!!!!
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EVERY political leader leads people on his personal faith in some way or the other.
In some way or another to be sure, but it is a matter of how much. It is no surprise that the most Bible-thumpy or Koran-adhering politicians are the ones that serve their constituents' needs the least. It is generally incongruous to be devoutly serving the interests of a singular religious canon and serving the interests of a constituency that does not share those beliefs.
I probably mis-spoke though. I should specifiy that I refer to being guided overtly by religion, so much so that it plays a role in policy.
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http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161600283 (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161600283)
A longtime friend of pastors
Richard Charan Editor South Bureau
Prime Minister Patrick Manning’s long history with pastors, and a prophetess, dates back 23 years, when a political baptism - the PNM losing 33 to 3 at the polls-led to a religious baptism.
His born-again date was the final day of 1987, when he and wife Hazel converted at the Woodbrook Pentecostal Church.
The Mannings remained close with church pastor Turnel Nelson until his death in 2006.
Since leaving his Anglican roots, Manning has associated with several holymen representing a flock of close to 100,000 Christians. His belief is so profound that for several years, while living in San Fernando, he was friends with pastor Dennis Lalla and tutored in Bible studies by Pastor Carlyle Chankersingh, whose multi-million-dollar church at Prince of Wales Street, San Fernando, among the largest in Trinidad, is nearing completion. The church is around the corner from Manning’s San Fernando East constituency office.
Pastor Chankersingh’s church has moved from King’s Wharf basement location to its present site and is similar to the spiritual rise of another Manning associate, Pastor Vishnu Lutchmansingh, a man who emerged around the turn of the century with a claim that he was worth more than $1 trillion, because one Buford Keaton, allegedly a multi-billionaire of Kentucky, USA, had named Lutchmansingh the sole beneficiary in his will.
Lutchmansingh said then that he would use some of the money to pay off the country’s $30 billion national debt. Manning at least twice attended Lutchmansingh’s launch of his book ’From Poverty to Prosperity’ at the Hilton Hotel and at the church in Marabella. On August 18, 2002, Manning addressed Lutchmansingh’s congregation at the Faith Sanctuary Ministries, Marabella.
He said Lutchmansingh’s achievements were an inspiration to him to rededicate himself to the task of providing good, proper and dynamic leadership.
Around the same time, Manning appointed Donna Carter to the post of Minister of Ecclesiastic Affairs in the Office of the Prime Minister, a position had lasted more than a year before Carter was resigned to be High Commissioner to South Africa.
Lutchmansingh called on Manning for help when the State dismantled his church built on State lands in Central Trinidad. Manning refused to help.
Lutchmansingh has since been charged with 88 counts of fraud in connect with his trillion-dollar claim.
Manning also sought spiritual guidance from Rose Foundation founder Sterling Belgrove, and Pastor Peter Regis and Pastor Levi Duncan.
Belgrove once occupied an office at Whitehall, where the Office of the Prime Minister was located but no longer has close connections with the Mannings, the Express was told.
Manning’s Cabinet is now blessed with two men close to the church, former Roman Catholic priest Kennedy Swaratsingh and former principal and preacher Fitzgerald Jeffrey.
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http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_opinion?id=161601646 (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_opinion?id=161601646)
PM's dust in our face
Opinion - Express Editorial
One week, and a 53-minute Patrick Manning extravaganza later, the web of mystery and suspicion enmeshing the now-infamous church being built at the Heights of Guanapo is no nearer to being dispelled.
Fascination fastened upon not so much the photo of construction displayed in Parliament by MP Jack Warner as on Prime Minister Patrick Manning’s stolid silence when asked to explain.
Why couldn’t the Prime Minister simply stand up in the House, say what he knew, confirming or denying allegations stated or implied, and refer the questioner to other likely sources? Avoiding direct answer, Mr Manning instead tried ridicule, characterising Mr Warner as a ’monkey’.
Trinidad and Tobago refused to dismiss the church-building project by Chinese workers, in the dusty Heights of Guanapo, as just monkey business. State land was involved; the relevant dealings of a wide range of public officials, agencies and authorities were called into question.
Taking their cue from Mr Manning, officials, agencies and authorities more or less stonewalled, reluctant to be dragged into a matter about which they must have been advised their role is not to wonder why. Official bodies whose involvement was cited in the Guanapo Heights mystery church, included WASA and T&TEC. Moreover, the Tunapuna/Piarco Regional Corporation, the Town and Country Planning Division and the Commissioner of State Lands must have been other bureaucratic stops along the way of a long and winding paper trail. It emerged from media reporting that the Cabinet Minister responsible for lands was also involved and, at the Cabinet, Mr Manning himself.
The Prime Minister has now admitted his own visit to the site, thus signalling clear interest in the project, either in his official or in his personal capacity. Only now, the country knows what Mr Manning could simply have said in response to Mr Warner on February 19: that his interest is personal, as an adherent to the faith, and as a faith-based supplicant to the pastor. The manner of his reply told more of his attitude toward transparency, straight dealing and plain talk than did the content.
The medium of his message communicated a moral breach of Parliamentary privilege. Mr Manning inflicted a lengthy rant-and-rave on members showing up for a Private Members’ day. In that single, signal, act, he demonstrated readiness to bend official rules to suit his personal convenience. Nor did his content put this darkly intriguing matter to rest. To the contrary, listeners hear Mr Manning protesting too much. His targeting of straw men (as in his ludicrously overblown claim of ’religious persecution’) disturbingly suggests the Prime Minister was raising dust in the face of the public only to affect their ability to see.
A flavour of Pharisaic hypocrisy overpowered his pious protestations favouring equity in state dealing with religions. It was his administration that was found guilty by the Privy Council of inequality of treatment of the Sanatan Dharma Maha Sabha in its application for a radio licence.
Trinidad and Tobago refuses to be browbeaten into silence by any bible-thumping Prime Minister.
uuuuuummm the PNMites on this forum, all yuh pull this man aside and talk to him nah.....I listened to this man Friday and he clearly losing it.....
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DELUSIONS OF A DICTATOR , OR A WANNA BE ONE.
typical behavior
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Manning told Thibault that his life in politics had motivated him to become a full-time preacher. He also told The Tech that he would not die in office.
Well, on a more positive future note
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Where Mr. Trinity Cross?!?!
He up in Guanapo mixing mortar ah wha.
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Video of Manning dismisses alleged connection with Church...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9LtfZz445A
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watch yu speech Manning boyfrined dem in here guh crucify yuh..
war
DELUSIONS OF A DICTATOR , OR A WANNA BE ONE.
typical behavior
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He 's lost his mind.
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....come bet, if they call elections tomorrow morning...... :-\ Ya done know!!!
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Manning has a right to his religious choice. Manning has the RIGHT to a spirit advisor if he so desires. The church was given land, once state funds not using, I good with it...all dem odder churches etc does get state lands.
Sat only damn fast to say that it cyar compare to hinduism etc...real damn fass in fact..
IS the woman on Manning Cabinet? If she is not, den he have every damn right to let her consult and guide him if he so wishes.
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"The Greater Ebenezer New Revival Tree of Life Institutional Double Rock on the Side of the Road to Jericho Missionary Baptist Church of Zion Heights of Guanapo..... Rimaaaaa"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-hhaNxnSmA&feature=related
Doh ask no answers!!
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VIDEO PRIME MINISTER EXPLAINS MYSTERY CHURCH
...http://www.cbeanmedia.org/TV6NEWS_F4V/Links/pm_opens_up_on_state_lands_mystery_church_zero_on_shanghai_2010_02_26.htm
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Manning has a right to his religious choice. Manning has the RIGHT to a spirit advisor if he so desires. The church was given land, once state funds not using, I good with it...all dem odder churches etc does get state lands.
Sat only damn fast to say that it cyar compare to hinduism etc...real damn fass in fact..
IS the woman on Manning Cabinet? If she is not, den he have every damn right to let her consult and guide him if he so wishes.
Anybody ever question Manning on where he worship, which religion he belong to, whether or not it right or wrong for him to have a spiritual advisor?? NO!!....steups!!
Friggin red herring he throwing in the mix to confuse the issues.....let we start with this one for example....
What were the terms of the work permits for them Chinese to come here? Dem could just go and do PJ's just so, just so? If yes, then I want some to build meh house. How I could arrange that?
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Manning has a right to his religious choice. Manning has the RIGHT to a spirit advisor if he so desires. The church was given land, once state funds not using, I good with it...all dem odder churches etc does get state lands.
Sat only damn fast to say that it cyar compare to hinduism etc...real damn fass in fact..
IS the woman on Manning Cabinet? If she is not, den he have every damn right to let her consult and guide him if he so wishes.
I agree totally. My problem is the attempt to evade the actual issue by claiming religious persecution and proceeding on an emotional tangent that was clearly divisive in intent.
Furthermore the granting of State Lands is not a secret. The benefactor(s) should have been revealed a long time ago. Additionally the public has the right to know the relationship between the government and the benefactor.
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Manning has a right to his religious choice. Manning has the RIGHT to a spirit advisor if he so desires. The church was given land, once state funds not using, I good with it...all dem odder churches etc does get state lands.
Sat only damn fast to say that it cyar compare to hinduism etc...real damn fass in fact..
IS the woman on Manning Cabinet? If she is not, den he have every damn right to let her consult and guide him if he so wishes.
I agree totally. My problem is the attempt to evade the actual issue by claiming religious persecution and proceeding on an emotional tangent that was clearly divisive in intent.
Furthermore the granting of State Lands is not a secret. The benefactor(s) should have been revealed a long time ago. Additionally the public has the right to know the relationship between the government and the benefactor.
Yeah the problem is the lack of transparency. When you in government you have to not just be free of nepotism or seeking self interest but to ensure that you do everything to be seen as being free of seeking self interest.
If this was above the board (and I am not sayingthat it wasn’t) Manning should have notified the public when the land grant was in progress. That is full disclosure and is the only way to be seen as operating above board because it is being honest with the public.
Manning’s problem is that he didn’t want to face any public backlash or censure. But if he knows he is doing the right thing and giving the church is a fair decision then he has to decide if it is worth the political capital to give the land.
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Manning has a right to his religious choice. Manning has the RIGHT to a spirit advisor if he so desires. The church was given land, once state funds not using, I good with it...all dem odder churches etc does get state lands.
Sat only damn fast to say that it cyar compare to hinduism etc...real damn fass in fact..
IS the woman on Manning Cabinet? If she is not, den he have every damn right to let her consult and guide him if he so wishes.
Anybody ever question Manning on where he worship, which religion he belong to, whether or not it right or wrong for him to have a spiritual advisor?? NO!!....steups!!
Friggin red herring he throwing in the mix to confuse the issues.....let we start with this one for example....
What were the terms of the work permits for them Chinese to come here? Dem could just go and do PJ's just so, just so? If yes, then I want some to build meh house. How I could arrange that?
Yes if you read the thread or followed the news reports and Martin Daly's editorial in the papers instead of jumping on the I hate Manning Bandwagon blindly you would have known that Sat Maraj saying Manning's religion does not hold the same significance as older more established religions. ANd that Manning showing favoritism to his religion...!
For Jah Gol, does the state openly disclose land grants to religious bodies? Is there a precedence for this? I am not sure there is so I am asking. My BIGGEST problems with Manning's Government is that they do things without first eductaing the public about the reasons and benefits etc. There is high handedness. Added to that is Manning's arrogance!
He must go!
JDB, Obama has his spiritual advisor, Bush had his, Reagan had many. MOST US Presidents have consulted with Billy Graham.
Manning as PM moves like he owns T&T naD HE ALONE KNOWS WHATS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY. hE IS DESTROYING THE pnm! If he remains at the helm of the PNM Kamala and Jack will rape them next elections unless something drastic happens to their side.
When a leader thinks he has been specifically ordained by God to rule/lead, then that is a dangerous thing.
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Manning has a right to his religious choice. Manning has the RIGHT to a spirit advisor if he so desires. The church was given land, once state funds not using, I good with it...all dem odder churches etc does get state lands.
Sat only damn fast to say that it cyar compare to hinduism etc...real damn fass in fact..
IS the woman on Manning Cabinet? If she is not, den he have every damn right to let her consult and guide him if he so wishes.
Anybody ever question Manning on where he worship, which religion he belong to, whether or not it right or wrong for him to have a spiritual advisor?? NO!!....steups!!
Friggin red herring he throwing in the mix to confuse the issues.....let we start with this one for example....
What were the terms of the work permits for them Chinese to come here? Dem could just go and do PJ's just so, just so? If yes, then I want some to build meh house. How I could arrange that?
Yes if you read the thread or followed the news reports and Martin Daly's editorial in the papers instead of jumping on the I hate Manning Bandwagon blindly you would have known that Sat Maraj saying Manning's religion does not hold the same significance as older more established religions. ANd that Manning showing favoritism to his religion...!
For Jah Gol, does the state openly disclose land grants to religious bodies? Is there a precedence for this? I am not sure there is so I am asking. My BIGGEST problems with Manning's Government is that they do things without first eductaing the public about the reasons and benefits etc. There is high handedness. Added to that is Manning's arrogance!
He must go!
JDB, Obama has his spiritual advisor, Bush had his, Reagan had many. MOST US Presidents have consulted with Billy Graham.
Manning as PM moves like he owns T&T naD HE ALONE KNOWS WHATS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY. hE IS DESTROYING THE pnm! If he remains at the helm of the PNM Kamala and Jack will rape them next elections unless something drastic happens to their side.
When a leader thinks he has been specifically ordained by God to rule/lead, then that is a dangerous thing.
When the Spiritual Baptiste people received state lands for their facility it was announced publicly.
"in 1991 the Government of Trinidad and Tobago under Prime Minister ANR Robinson , which Government included Dr Rambachan and Mr Winston Dookeran , granted to the NCIC 15 acres of land specifically for the purpose of developing the Divali Nagar facility and for other community activities. The continued growth of the project has prompted the current Government to approve the grant of another 15 acres of land immediately north of this site ."
http://news.bn.gs/article.php?story=20081017113117661
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Manning has a right to his religious choice. Manning has the RIGHT to a spirit advisor if he so desires. The church was given land, once state funds not using, I good with it...all dem odder churches etc does get state lands.
Sat only damn fast to say that it cyar compare to hinduism etc...real damn fass in fact..
IS the woman on Manning Cabinet? If she is not, den he have every damn right to let her consult and guide him if he so wishes.
Anybody ever question Manning on where he worship, which religion he belong to, whether or not it right or wrong for him to have a spiritual advisor?? NO!!....steups!!
Friggin red herring he throwing in the mix to confuse the issues.....let we start with this one for example....
What were the terms of the work permits for them Chinese to come here? Dem could just go and do PJ's just so, just so? If yes, then I want some to build meh house. How I could arrange that?
Yes if you read the thread or followed the news reports and Martin Daly's editorial in the papers instead of jumping on the I hate Manning Bandwagon blindly you would have known that Sat Maraj saying Manning's religion does not hold the same significance as older more established religions. ANd that Manning showing favoritism to his religion...!
For Jah Gol, does the state openly disclose land grants to religious bodies? Is there a precedence for this? I am not sure there is so I am asking. My BIGGEST problems with Manning's Government is that they do things without first eductaing the public about the reasons and benefits etc. There is high handedness. Added to that is Manning's arrogance!
He must go!
JDB, Obama has his spiritual advisor, Bush had his, Reagan had many. MOST US Presidents have consulted with Billy Graham.
Manning as PM moves like he owns T&T naD HE ALONE KNOWS WHATS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY. hE IS DESTROYING THE pnm! If he remains at the helm of the PNM Kamala and Jack will rape them next elections unless something drastic happens to their side.
When a leader thinks he has been specifically ordained by God to rule/lead, then that is a dangerous thing.
Correction then.... I never questioned Manning's religion, who he worship, whether he doing it on a Monday, Tuesday, Sunday, Saturday, in a school, in a church, on a footbal field under a tent...In fact let me venture to say I want to believe a majority of the population shares my view......I really eh care for anything that comes out of Sat Maraj's mouth. As for Martin Daly, I'd have to read his editorial before I comment on what he said cuz ah I've never seen him in the same light as Sat Maraj....
That said, ah still waiting on the goodly pastor to adress just that one issue ah raise (he and the christian with a big C cuz she said it)......let we just start with that.
Further, we at least agree on one thing, the sooner this arrogant man leaves office the better for all ah we!!!......
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Anyway it was for political reasons and patronage that is why day was made public.
Many, Many times grants, etc, are given and only,a s in ONLY disclosed during Budget presentations!
Manning eh do nutten wrong if he sought Cabinet approval, what he did was stupid in dat he shoulda make it well known so he enemies could not ah make commess like dey doing now.
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Anyway it was for political reasons and patronage that is why day was made public.
Many, Many times grants, etc, are given and only,a s in ONLY disclosed during Budget presentations!
Manning eh do nutten wrong if he sought Cabinet approval, what he did was stupid in dat he shoulda make it well known so he enemies could not ah make commess like dey doing now.
EXACTLY!!! It was the same blasted thing did get mih vex with Gary....just be straight with people and stop taking we for complete fools.....
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Anyway it was for political reasons and patronage that is why day was made public.
Many, Many times grants, etc, are given and only,a s in ONLY disclosed during Budget presentations!
Manning eh do nutten wrong if he sought Cabinet approval, what he did was stupid in dat he shoulda make it well known so he enemies could not ah make commess like dey doing now.
EXACTLY!!! It was the same blasted thing did get mih vex with Gary....just be straight with people and stop taking we for complete fools.....
No matter what Patrick do peeps go talk they just eh like Patos because he arrogant yayda yada yada. So Patos should ah not say nutten. He say what happen peeps eh blieve him. So I woulda just let d peeps blieve what dey want because at d end of d day peeps go blieve what they want. In TNT it eh have no rational discourse is picong all d time.
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Nah, nah Weary.....Patos playing the arse with he....and he is arrogant to the point where PNMites cyar stand it anymore so who is me??....that rant in Parliament was to serve what purpose?? for example (not verbatim)
"There were two journalists who got a spiritual experience at the church site when they went there. I am giving them 7 days to tell us about the experience. I know about it and they know about it and I want to tell the nation about it....."
What hell is that about??!!....you use up 53 mins of Parliament time to tell we that piece a crap among other thing...steups!!!....the man clearly losing it....
Look the sooner Patos throw he frame the better!!....but not before he explain how dem Chinese reach there and dats just the tip of the iceberg.....
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The chinese is a point of contention? lol As far as I remember they are PRIVATE contractors hired by the government...so they cyar get ah wuk elsewhere? Once the People ah T&T eh paying for it....whats the issue?
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The chinese is a point of contention? lol As far as I remember they are PRIVATE contractors hired by the government...so they cyar get ah wuk elsewhere? Once the People ah T&T eh paying for it....whats the issue?
hhhhhmmmm.....they can work here normal, normal?? They didn't come under conditions of work permits of some kind?? So they could just come move een and take over the jobs of locals?? Just so, just so?? How come the wider public didn't know they could hire them to do private jobs?? I want a few to build my house.....how I could arrange that?? Who to check Calder?? The Christian with a big C?? Who??
Just like Gary, if Manning had just come right out at the start and tell Jack he lying and put some clarity to the whole situation that would be the end of that....but noooooooo, since all ah we out here is arse and only HE knows best, we have to take he BS....steups!!.....
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lol
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IRO says no religious persecution in T&T ..http://ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=18752
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IRO says no religious persecution in T&T ..http://ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=18752
The only people to cry religious persecution are the Hindus! And to some extent they are correct!
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Nah, nah Weary.....Patos playing the arse with he....and he is arrogant to the point where PNMites cyar stand it anymore so who is me??....that rant in Parliament was to serve what purpose?? for example (not verbatim)
"There were two journalists who got a spiritual experience at the church site when they went there. I am giving them 7 days to tell us about the experience. I know about it and they know about it and I want to tell the nation about it....."
What hell is that about??!!....you use up 53 mins of Parliament time to tell we that piece a crap among other thing...steups!!!....the man clearly losing it....
Look the sooner Patos throw he frame the better!!....but not before he explain how dem Chinese reach there and dats just the tip of the iceberg.....
If he say chpter and verse peeps already make up dey mind. Dat is how we iz ent it was Oma money peeps blieve dat so u g blieve what u want 2 blieve.
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(Video) Church Goers DEFEND the Prime Minister !..
http://www.youtube.com/v/Ie5ttUvbhWw
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contractor denies the info in the email
http://www.youtube.com/v/Gwo7KAdkmEM
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^^ Videos proper now