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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: AirMan on March 23, 2010, 12:28:27 PM
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Senate to discuss naming Hall of Justice after Noor
Gail Alexander
Published: 23 Mar 2010
Gail Merhair
Gail Alexander
The Senate today debates an Independent motion seeking in part to have the Hall of Justice in Port-of-Spain renamed the Noor Hassanali Hall of Justice. :beermug: The motion, filed by Independent Senator Gail Merhair, also seeks to have the Crown Point International Airport renamed the Arthur NR Robinson International Airport and to have Wrightson Road renamed the George Chambers Avenue. :beermug:
Also sought is the renaming of the Churchill-Roosevelt Highway as the Ellis Clarke Highway. Hassanali, now deceased, served as President as did Clarke and Robinson in previous years. Chambers served as Prime Minister between 1981 to 1986. Merhair’s motion calls for the renaming of the various structures and roadways to take place as a “symbolic gesture of national gratefulness” (sic) for the many years of distinguished service by the former Heads of State. Read the rest http://guardian.co.tt/news/general/2010/03/23/senate-discuss-naming-hall-justice-after-noor
http://www.youtube.com/v/xDOZOJdhedA
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Videos soon to come on this ..
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..and why we have a Highway in T&T named after Churchill-Roosevelt ? :rotfl:...
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..and why we have a Highway in T&T named after Churchill-Roosevelt ? :rotfl:...
I not so sure but I think that the yanks(Roosevelt) built it for us in the 40's. And we were a Brit colony(Churchill)
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I find they should leave wrightson rd alone, it iconic---the rest, no problem
who was wrightson btw?
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Patrick Manning Crescent somewhere in the Beetham, St Anns, Sea Lots or Sando East. OR who knows he going for the Airport. Patrick Manning Airport
Basdeo Panday Blvd somewhere in Caroni or Chaguanas or Curepe
How dey neck they could change a major road to an avenue? Is that possible?
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Shame on allyuh older heads.. :D...Imagine people quick to call Manning and Panday..like dem is the only two that help shape T&T society to what it is today..so I guess there is nothing to give our FUTURE leaders and historians because we want everything to stay the same...GOD forbid dem rename a library to LLyod Best some of allyuh will cry because allyuh so used to the name that it was before..steupse...As a country grow names will change...so it go
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who was wrightson btw?
Walsh Wrightson (an Englishman), Director of Public Works (1895-1907). Key figure in the Water Riots of 1903.
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who was wrightson btw?
Walsh Wrightson (an Englishman), Director of Public Works (1895-1907). Key figure in the Water Riots of 1903.
Or hor!!
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I really don't care. I passed that stage. but If dey start renaming. The airport should be Basday Panday Airport. he built it. And Robinson should have something name after him. hewent thru his ordeal with Abu.
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who was wrightson btw?
Walsh Wrightson (an Englishman), Director of Public Works (1895-1907). Key figure in the Water Riots of 1903.
Or hor!!
See we just learned some history .
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who was wrightson btw?
Walsh Wrightson (an Englishman), Director of Public Works (1895-1907). Key figure in the Water Riots of 1903.
Or hor!!
See we just learned some history .
and to think some people in society will be fighting to keep the name and dem dont know who is Wrightson ! Hmmph ! :devil:
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who was wrightson btw?
Walsh Wrightson (an Englishman), Director of Public Works (1895-1907). Key figure in the Water Riots of 1903.
I learned about this from Michael Anthony's book "The Making of Port of Spain", wonder why it is not a routine part of the curriculum, at least when I was in primary and secondary school...
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who was wrightson btw?
Walsh Wrightson (an Englishman), Director of Public Works (1895-1907). Key figure in the Water Riots of 1903.
I learned about this from Michael Anthony's book "The Making of Port of Spain", wonder why it is not a routine part of the curriculum, at least when I was in primary and secondary school...
I can assure you more than half of Trinbago doh know who is Wrightson that "Wrightson Road" was named after..
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who was wrightson btw?
Walsh Wrightson (an Englishman), Director of Public Works (1895-1907). Key figure in the Water Riots of 1903.
I learned about this from Michael Anthony's book "The Making of Port of Spain", wonder why it is not a routine part of the curriculum, at least when I was in primary and secondary school...
I can assure you more than half of Trinbago doh know who is Wrightson that "Wrightson Road" was named after..
mmmm, no ah tink is jus me
but since we on de topic,ah want ah one line history of Frederick, Duke & Chacon..oh and Park...and trow in Henry too
I eh really know too much ah streets in sando except High St....so allyuh sout boy hadda fen for yuh self ..who was Mr. High
and who Green Corner and de Croisee name after?
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who was wrightson btw?
Walsh Wrightson (an Englishman), Director of Public Works (1895-1907). Key figure in the Water Riots of 1903.
I learned about this from Michael Anthony's book "The Making of Port of Spain", wonder why it is not a routine part of the curriculum, at least when I was in primary and secondary school...
I can assure you more than half of Trinbago doh know who is Wrightson that "Wrightson Road" was named after..
So because we have to change the names because of an uneducated public ,so we have to change names every3 generations lol ,20 years from now lara would be like Gary Sobers .
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who was wrightson btw?
Walsh Wrightson (an Englishman), Director of Public Works (1895-1907). Key figure in the Water Riots of 1903.
I learned about this from Michael Anthony's book "The Making of Port of Spain", wonder why it is not a routine part of the curriculum, at least when I was in primary and secondary school...
I can assure you more than half of Trinbago doh know who is Wrightson that "Wrightson Road" was named after..
So because we have to change the names because of an uneducated public ,so we have to change names every3 generations lol ,20 years from now lara would be like Gary Sobers .
where did you get all that from ??..Is that what you wanted to say ?.this is your understanding from a simple fact that most people dont know who is Wrightson in "Wrightson Road" ?...
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who was wrightson btw?
Walsh Wrightson (an Englishman), Director of Public Works (1895-1907). Key figure in the Water Riots of 1903.
I learned about this from Michael Anthony's book "The Making of Port of Spain", wonder why it is not a routine part of the curriculum, at least when I was in primary and secondary school...
I can assure you more than half of Trinbago doh know who is Wrightson that "Wrightson Road" was named after..
So because we have to change the names because of an uneducated public ,so we have to change names every3 generations lol ,20 years from now lara would be like Gary Sobers .
where did you get all that from ??..Is that what you wanted to say ?.this is your understanding from a simple fact that most people dont know who is Wrightson in "Wrightson Road" ?...
kinda ....but my point is Trinis dont know a lot of things including who Wrightson is .
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who was wrightson btw?
Walsh Wrightson (an Englishman), Director of Public Works (1895-1907). Key figure in the Water Riots of 1903.
I learned about this from Michael Anthony's book "The Making of Port of Spain", wonder why it is not a routine part of the curriculum, at least when I was in primary and secondary school...
I can assure you more than half of Trinbago doh know who is Wrightson that "Wrightson Road" was named after..
mmmm, no ah tink is jus me
but since we on de topic,ah want ah one line history of Frederick, Duke & Chacon..oh and Park...and trow in Henry too
I eh really know too much ah streets in sando except High St....so allyuh sout boy hadda fen for yuh self ..who was Mr. High
and who Green Corner and de Croisee name after?
Chacon street and Chanonia flower named after Chacon, the last Spanish governor of Trinidad. He the one who started the civil works in POS, like fiiling Indepedence square with earth from Laventille(la Ventanilla(the little window of POS)). Independence sq was all sea in them times.
Croissee, is french for a crossroads or junction. Saddle rd and EMR form a cross/junction. The Spanish allowed a lot of french people for the french islands into TT, mainly because they were Catholic. That's where TT have places, people,fruits with french names.
Duke, Henry, Frederick, Park, Woodbrook, Queen's Park,(Grand Savannah) QRC all English.
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who was wrightson btw?
Walsh Wrightson (an Englishman), Director of Public Works (1895-1907). Key figure in the Water Riots of 1903.
I learned about this from Michael Anthony's book "The Making of Port of Spain", wonder why it is not a routine part of the curriculum, at least when I was in primary and secondary school...
I can assure you more than half of Trinbago doh know who is Wrightson that "Wrightson Road" was named after..
mmmm, no ah tink is jus me
but since we on de topic,ah want ah one line history of Frederick, Duke & Chacon..oh and Park...and trow in Henry too
I eh really know too much ah streets in sando except High St....so allyuh sout boy hadda fen for yuh self ..who was Mr. High
and who Green Corner and de Croisee name after?
Chacon street and Chanonia flower named after Chacon, the last Spanish governor of Trinidad. He the one who started the civil works in POS, like fiiling Indepedence square with earth from Laventille(la Ventanilla(the little window of POS)). Independence sq was all sea in them times.
Croissee, is french for a crossroads or junction. Saddle rd and EMR form a cross/junction. The Spanish allowed a lot of french people for the french islands into TT, mainly because they were Catholic. That's where TT have places, people,fruits with french names.
Duke, Henry, Frederick, Park, Woodbrook, Queen's Park,(Grand Savannah) QRC all English.
all that have to change , new time buddy we should change the Croissee to Crocro.
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The English ones may change, but the Amerindian, Spanish, East Indian and french names will not be changed.
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Man Trinidad and Tobago was so utterly perfect eh best country in the World,these new generations just generally F-ing it up beyond recognition .So sad but I think Trini finished, done,gonetrue ,kaputs . I knew it thats why I left in 92,strange to see it actually happen.
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who was wrightson btw?
Walsh Wrightson (an Englishman), Director of Public Works (1895-1907). Key figure in the Water Riots of 1903.
Or hor!!
What we do witut d TMAN
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who was wrightson btw?
Walsh Wrightson (an Englishman), Director of Public Works (1895-1907). Key figure in the Water Riots of 1903.
I learned about this from Michael Anthony's book "The Making of Port of Spain", wonder why it is not a routine part of the curriculum, at least when I was in primary and secondary school...
I can assure you more than half of Trinbago doh know who is Wrightson that "Wrightson Road" was named after..
mmmm, no ah tink is jus me
but since we on de topic,ah want ah one line history of Frederick, Duke & Chacon..oh and Park...and trow in Henry too
I eh really know too much ah streets in sando except High St....so allyuh sout boy hadda fen for yuh self ..who was Mr. High
and who Green Corner and de Croisee name after?
Kelvin "Duke" Pope, a Trinidadian (1930-2009). Won Calypso Monarch 4 years in a row. Once had a song "De whole thing change up." :devil:
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who was wrightson btw?
Walsh Wrightson (an Englishman), Director of Public Works (1895-1907). Key figure in the Water Riots of 1903.
I learned about this from Michael Anthony's book "The Making of Port of Spain", wonder why it is not a routine part of the curriculum, at least when I was in primary and secondary school...
heard this book real real good.
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Look ah learn more about my country on a predominantly football forum than all mih years in school!!!....
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Look ah learn more about my country on a predominantly football forum than all mih years in school!!!....
COSIGNNNNN and I d History up 2 A Levels but then again JW did teach meh.
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Look ah learn more about my country on a predominantly football forum than all mih years in school!!!....
COSIGNNNNN and I d History up 2 A Levels but then again JW did teach meh.
wot he was like as a teacher?
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Look ah learn more about my country on a predominantly football forum than all mih years in school!!!....
COSIGNNNNN and I d History up 2 A Levels but then again JW did teach meh.
wot he was like as a teacher?
Well imagine takin notes from a man who stutterin/tie tougue/and talkin fast. He was cantankerous 2 d max. When u did an essay and u write nonesense he would write all kind ah colour comments. For eg u must have been in Guyana when I taught this.
D key 2 passin WI History at d A level was essay writing so I asked him 2 mark essays 4 me and he did and that is d only reason I passed A Level history. I told him I was givin him some readin material on his flights. He was not around much because of FIFA business but at A Level u do d bulk of d wuk s I did nt mind he was not arund because his class use 2 strt 730
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Videos soon to come on this ..
http://www.youtube.com/v/xDOZOJdhedA
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When u did an essay and u write nonesense he would write all kind ah colour comments. For eg u must have been in Guyana when I taught this.
In other words he was ah dick from since back in de days
btw Thanks Deeks
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When u did an essay and u write nonesense he would write all kind ah colour comments. For eg u must have been in Guyana when I taught this.
In other words he was ah dick from since back in de days
U got dat correck
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..and why we have a Highway in T&T named after Churchill-Roosevelt ? :rotfl:...
Maybe because had it not been for them your ass would be speaking German right now?
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who was wrightson btw?
Walsh Wrightson (an Englishman), Director of Public Works (1895-1907). Key figure in the Water Riots of 1903.
I learned about this from Michael Anthony's book "The Making of Port of Spain", wonder why it is not a routine part of the curriculum, at least when I was in primary and secondary school...
I can assure you more than half of Trinbago doh know who is Wrightson that "Wrightson Road" was named after..
mmmm, no ah tink is jus me
but since we on de topic,ah want ah one line history of Frederick, Duke & Chacon..oh and Park...and trow in Henry too
I eh really know too much ah streets in sando except High St....so allyuh sout boy hadda fen for yuh self ..who was Mr. High
and who Green Corner and de Croisee name after?
Chacon street and Chanonia flower named after Chacon, the last Spanish governor of Trinidad. He the one who started the civil works in POS, like fiiling Indepedence square with earth from Laventille(la Ventanilla(the little window of POS)). Independence sq was all sea in them times.
Croissee, is french for a crossroads or junction. Saddle rd and EMR form a cross/junction. The Spanish allowed a lot of french people for the french islands into TT, mainly because they were Catholic. That's where TT have places, people,fruits with french names.
Duke, Henry, Frederick, Park, Woodbrook, Queen's Park,(Grand Savannah) QRC all English.
School dem yutes... Don Jose Maria Chacon... the Cedulla de Poblacion of 1783. This is how patois came to be the unofficial language of TnT up thru the turn of the 20th Century.
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I knew about the Chacon fella. Didn't know about the Croisee....which is one of the most frustrating places to navigate on the East/West corridor.....
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<taking notes> ah likes this :beermug:
gosh ah feel like i back in school oui.
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Senate approves motion to consider renaming public places
Tuesday 23rd March, 2010
In her motion today independent Senator Gail Merhair originally called for the government to take immediate steps to rename the Crown Point airport after former Prime Minister Arthur NR Robinson.
Senator Merhair also wanted the Hall of Justice to be named after former President Noor Hassanali and Wrightson road to be called the George Chambers Avenue in honour of former Prime Minister George Chambers.
Trade Minister Mariano Browne said the government was thankful for the motion.
He however said the wording needed to be changed since there are wider implications.
Read the rest http://ctntworld.com/LocalArticles.aspx?id=19304
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^^ There you have it. Case Closed
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I knew about the Chacon fella. Didn't know about the Croisee....which is one of the most frustrating places to navigate on the East/West corridor.....
yuh know it have more than one croisee in T&T .
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<taking notes> ah likes this :beermug:
gosh ah feel like i back in school oui.
We have such rich history that many of us don't even know about. Even those who know don't appreciate it... for instance we were Spanish from 1498 until 1797... three hundred years. Yet the Spanish footprint in TnT is very tiny, why is that? We were officially French for a year or two before the British took control in 1797 and we've been British ever since. That explains why we speak English and why there are so many English aspects to our culture.
The French, despite being in charge for only a year or two has had a much...MUCH.. larger impact on our society... why is that? People need to be curious about these kinda things because it has shaped who we are as a people. Down to the way we phrase many things. We don't say "it is cold" or "I am 20 years", we say "it making cold" or "I have 20 years" why?
I don't know French, but I know Spanish and given the common romantic roots it's easily explained. Spanish for "It is cold" = "hace frio", hacer meaning "to make" => literally "it makes cold". The french construction would be identical. Same for "I am 20 years old". Sp. = "tengo veinte anos" ("I have 20 years"). Again this is how it would be rendered in French as well. But it's in the 18th and 19th century that all the action took place... that's when modern TnT took it's shape. That's the history that's lost.
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<taking notes> ah likes this :beermug:
gosh ah feel like i back in school oui.
We have such rich history that many of us don't even know about. Even those who know don't appreciate it... for instance we were Spanish from 1498 until 1797... three hundred years. Yet the Spanish footprint in TnT is very tiny, why is that? We were officially French for a year or two before the British took control in 1797 and we've been British ever since. That explains why we speak English and why there are so many English aspects to our culture.
The French, despite being in charge for only a year or two has had a much...MUCH.. larger impact on our society... why is that? People need to be curious about these kinda things because it has shaped who we are as a people. Down to the way we phrase many things. We don't say "it is cold" or "I am 20 years", we say "it making cold" or "I have 20 years" why?
I don't know French, but I know Spanish and given the common romantic roots it's easily explained. Spanish for "It is cold" = "hace frio", hacer meaning "to make" => literally "it makes cold". The french construction would be identical. Same for "I am 20 years old". Sp. = "tengo veinte anos" ("I have 20 years"). Again this is how it would be rendered in French as well. But it's in the 18th and 19th century that all the action took place... that's when modern TnT took it's shape. That's the history that's lost.
interesting :thinking:
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I knew about the Chacon fella. Didn't know about the Croisee....which is one of the most frustrating places to navigate on the East/West corridor.....
yuh know it have more than one croisee in T&T .
Technically yes. Every cross street or junction can be called a croisee I guess. But a croisee tends to have a kind of chaotic atmosphere. It must be a busy intersection where business transactions galore, people trading, liming etc. I can only give examples in the EW corridor. Green Corner, Frederick and independence, Morvant junction, Curepe, Tunapuna market(kinda strectching it dey). Central and south have theirs too. Forumites from these areas know better than me.
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Nice cocer en horno tiburon fascinating .And it is our stupid leaders destroying our heritage .A people with no past have no future I beleive is the saying .Ours is so rich ,we were there sense the start of the new world .Sad,build something new and name it after ppl ,dont tamper with the past .No country does this besides ppl like the Taliban .
Most countries build statues for leaders ,and am sure Wrightson did more for TnT than the Honorable Senator Gail Merhair will ever do for TnT .She has no right to distroy the tapestry of our country ..cause she had ah vibe .
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and who Green Corner and de Croisee name after?
Supposedly it had ah rum shop wit green walls at dat location.
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and who Green Corner and de Croisee name after?
Supposedly it had ah rum shop wit green walls at dat location.
Beautiful may be pirates hundreds of years ago use to frequent there .Oh heads of state ,or hookers .
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<taking notes> ah likes this :beermug:
gosh ah feel like i back in school oui.
We have such rich history that many of us don't even know about. Even those who know don't appreciate it... for instance we were Spanish from 1498 until 1797... three hundred years. Yet the Spanish footprint in TnT is very tiny, why is that? We were officially French for a year or two before the British took control in 1797 and we've been British ever since. That explains why we speak English and why there are so many English aspects to our culture.
I agree the French influence is bigger. Understandably, since even when the Spanish "owned" Trinidad, it was really the French who were living here - not many Spaniards settled in Trinidad, which is why they courted the French.
But is de Spanish influence really dat small?
Most of our "local" Christmas traditions are Spanish, both the food and the music.
The Roman Catholic church is still huge - introduced by the Spanish.
There are dozens of towns/places wid spanish names.
Our capital is.....
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Does anybody know if our history is part of the school's curriculum ?
It's a pity historian scholars don't take the time from their busy schedules (book launching) and head to the history classrooms to share their knowledge in person.
Children today are more visual (practical) than text (theory).
I would love to just sit and listen to a Samuel Selvon or Hollis Liverpool or even a Leroy Clarke talk about plain history. Starting from Slavery straight too first Governer General Hochoy.
From Eric Williams to modern day history, i'll read the book.
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(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs421.snc3/24342_1216677711578_1667922477_520343_7092713_n.jpg)
Sir Solomon Ho Choy
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Trinidad maroon family circa 1880
This very rare shot shows a family of Trinidad Maroons somewhere near Tamana . These were the descendants of runaway slaves who hid in the dense forests of Tamana, in the caves of Vega de Oropouche and in the hills above Maraval which later became Paramin. Even many years after slavery ended, their descendants were living the same lifestyle of runaways . The maroons were not a s violent as their counterparts in Jamaica, and generally managed to elude capture . There were Maroon villages also at Moruga and Guayaguyare. As reently as the 1930's, there were Maroon descendants living in Tamana who were called Le Nege Marron (Runaway Negroes) by the villagers.
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Note usine smoke stack in the back ground...
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Now this is what I talking about. :applause: :applause: Daft ah could juss hug ya man :beermug:
Please continue. This is one thread I really hope will continue to grow with information about Trinidad and Tobago. For once, hopefully the concentration will be focused on how we got here, and why we are the way we are today.
My regret is not taking up History in high school :-\
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In primary school there was a history book almost everybody had to have. I think it was called Little Folks Trinidad. It had dates and history of events and places pertaining to TT of the past. Anybody?
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In primary school there was a history almost everybody had to have. I think it was called Little Folks Trinidad. It had dates and history of events and places pertaining to TT of the past. Anybody?
No idea. In my time I honestly don't think we had an actual history class in primary school, we had social studies which I think the teacher mixed into history studies....
If memory serves me, it was simply learning about the shape of Trinidad, government issues ie who was the prime minister and names of government ministers, who were our neighboring islands/countries and their prime ministers, caribs and amerindans, christopher columbus and the significance of 1498 - independence and becoming a republic.
Deeks if you can put your hands on that assumingly it's a book, lemme know please and thanks.
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Tallman and Flex may know. Fellahs????
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I googled it. Non available on Amazon. The Chinese probably censored it.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Little-folks-Trinidad-descriptive-geographical/dp/B0007K0BP2
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(http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs166.snc3/19352_1192470186405_1667922477_474215_7679522_n.jpg)
Trinidad maroon family circa 1880
This very rare shot shows a family of Trinidad Maroons somewhere near Tamana . These were the descendants of runaway slaves who hid in the dense forests of Tamana, in the caves of Vega de Oropouche and in the hills above Maraval which later became Paramin. Even many years after slavery ended, their descendants were living the same lifestyle of runaways . The maroons were not a s violent as their counterparts in Jamaica, and generally managed to elude capture . There were Maroon villages also at Moruga and Guayaguyare. As reently as the 1930's, there were Maroon descendants living in Tamana who were called Le Nege Marron (Runaway Negroes) by the villagers.
I figure this is why ,the West Indies is wear that same maroon as there national colour.
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<taking notes> ah likes this :beermug:
gosh ah feel like i back in school oui.
if only dis site was around when ah was doin social studies.
real education passin here. keep goin peeps. youth like me appreciate dis kinda knowledge :beermug:
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..and why we have a Highway in T&T named after Churchill-Roosevelt ? :rotfl:...
Maybe because had it not been for them your ass would be speaking German right now?
I doh think Indian, African, Chinee, or Syrian people would exist either.
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It have a croisee in freeport by 1 ah dem calcutta number sumbuddy
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Since last August, Louis B. Homer (T&T Express) has been writing a Remembering Our Past column. Check out some past articles:
La Romaine...From sugar estate to booming village (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161589836)
La Rufin, the gem of Moruga (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161601925)
L'envieusse village...Cedros' French past (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161598700)
Killdeer Village...Down by the river side (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161586481)
Cachipe Village...Where lagahoos used to roam (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161583777)
The almost forgotten village of Anglais (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161577747)
Winds of change in Buenos Ayres (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161574999)
Cocoyea, PM's hometown (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161569677)
Rampanalgas...Where coconut was king (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161566972)
'Merikins' of Iere Village (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161563878)
Gandhi Village...renamed after Indian icon by Dr Williams (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161561165)
Inside Morne La Croix (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161558404)
Unspoilt Cumaca (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161551613)
No Chinese in Chiney Village (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161545909)
The hidden charms of Tortuga (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161542938)
Blanchisseuse...Home of T&T's first Governor General (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161537600)
From 'Corhee' to Korea (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161534670)
Quiet, crime-free life in Los Attajos (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161528263)
Abyssinia, the forgotten village (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161525418)
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If you want to know the history of T&T (until 1962 at least) a great place to start is Eric Williams' History of the People of Trinidad and Tobago. (I'll leave a discussion about how Caribbean leaders used to be scholars to another time and thread)
Dense reading to be sure, but probably the definitive scholarly work.
A small point I want to clarify, Trinidad was a Spanish colony from 1498 - 1797. The French influence began in 1783 with a proposal to allow immigration of French planters into Trinidad. The colony remained Spanish. As described: Trinidad was transformed from an Amerindian colony governed by Spain into a Spanish Colony run by Frenchmen and worked by African slaves.
Nevertheless the angst over naming seems to be a modern one. The British had no problems renaming Spanish places (if only to translate) nor did they seem to have a problem naming roads, parks and landmarks after themselves. Woodford, Harris, Picton... just because something has been so for a long time doesn't mean it should remain no.
Still, there should be more than enough new streets, parks, landmarks and as yet un-commissioned statues to satisfy the apparently pent-up demand for non-sports related naming.
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I agree the French influence is bigger. Understandably, since even when the Spanish "owned" Trinidad, it was really the French who were living here - not many Spaniards settled in Trinidad, which is why they courted the French.
But is de Spanish influence really dat small?
Most of our "local" Christmas traditions are Spanish, both the food and the music.
The Roman Catholic church is still huge - introduced by the Spanish.
There are dozens of towns/places wid spanish names.
Our capital is.....
With regards to the Spanish influence, notice I didn’t just make the statement and leave it alone… I provided context by contrasting the influence left by the Spanish with the influence left by the French in 2 years and by the British in 165 years.
300 yrs
2 yrs
165 yrs
… yet the Spanish influence is smaller than both the French and English individually. The Spanish names of places endured and that’s about it. Unless you can trace parang back to pre-1797 you cannot attribute our “ ‘local’ Christmas traditions” to the Spanish. More likely that’s a South American (namely Venezuelan) influence. Let’s not forget the “cocoa panyols” who came from that country to work the cocoa estates under the British. For all we know it is to them that we really owe most of the “Spanish” influence that we see today. Yes, yes tracing it all the way back the Spanish influenced the Venezuelans who influenced… but that’s not what we talking about.
The Roman Catholic Church introduced by the Spanish… but sustained by French citizens, that “influence” really and truly is the legacy of the French, not the Spanish. As you pointed out, Trinidad was an insignificant Spanish outpost, and treated as such. There was no infrastructure to speak of even while the French were here. It wasn’t until the Cedula that mass migration of French planters from Dominica, Martinique, Haiti, Grenada, Guadeloupe… (note that this was 1783… just 6 years prior to the Fr. Revolution, so think of the conditions under French rule in the Antilles… if dissatisfaction was so high in France, you know they couldn’t have been happy in the colonies. Yet their fate worsened after the Revolution because they considered themselves petit bourgeoisie, and were seen as such by the new French leadership. So they bolted to TnT… with their slaves in tow. This influx of slaves was really the first major introduction of Africans to Trinidad. Once the British took over 14 yrs later in 1797 then slavery in TnT really took off.
So yes… relative to the other colonial powers the influence directly left by Spain is tiny, in my opinion… others can feel free to disagree.
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Since last August, Louis B. Homer (T&T Express) has been writing a Remembering Our Past column. Check out some past articles:
The almost forgotten village of Anglais (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161577747)
Thanks Tallman... ah could shake yuh hand. My mother family from up inside Cumana originally and Anglais Road specifically. I too have wondered what would become of Toco, Cumana, Anglais with young people heeding the call of the more populous... and popular places in TnT. Being so far removed from the action was a deterrent to many of my cousins growing up... now, with cable TV and internet notwithstanding, I imagine it's still hard for the youths to resist the urge to migrate towards Sangre Grande, Arima and other points along the EMR.
A small point I want to clarify, Trinidad was a Spanish colony from 1498 - 1797. The French influence began in 1783 with a proposal to allow immigration of French planters into Trinidad. The colony remained Spanish. As described: Trinidad was transformed from an Amerindian colony governed by Spain into a Spanish Colony run by Frenchmen and worked by African slaves.
Correct, Trinidad was never officially French... and to the extent I created that impression it should be clarified as you said. But abdication by the Spanish crown and the growth of the French plantocracy in Trinidad meant that for the final years of official Spanish reign TnT was a de facto French colony. Why do you think it was such an easy decision for Chacon to capitulate to the British once they made their intentions known?
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Why do you think it was such an easy decision for Chacon to capitulate to the British once they made their intentions known?
Because he didn't want them to open the can of whup-ass they were holding. The French and British had squared off in POS previously with Chacon literally in the middle saying Trinidad/Spain not in that, take it elsewhere. Meantime he facing the next gunfight with a piece of wood and a big stone. He was banished from the Spanish Empire for his actions.
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Why do you think it was such an easy decision for Chacon to capitulate to the British once they made their intentions known?
Because he didn't want them to open the can of whup-ass they were holding. The French and British had squared off in POS previously with Chacon literally in the middle saying Trinidad/Spain not in that, take it elsewhere. Meantime he facing the next gunfight with a piece of wood and a big stone. He was banished from the Spanish Empire for his actions.
Spain didn't give ah fart about Trinidad at that point... they had they garrisons in Venezuela and Colombia along with at least one armada, why they di'n send them? Yuh have to remember the context, Trinidad wasn't remitting nutten tuh de spanish coffers. War with England just wasn't cost effective... plus England had been spoiling fuh ah fight with Spain for 50 years at that point... ever since the War of Jenkins' Ear. It was all pretext to fight a decisive battle that would cripple the Spanish fleet and leave the colonies vulnerable. Spain did more than happy tuh sacrifice Trinidad.
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Shark, I thought I was a history buff. You is history maniac. Go, bro, go.
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Why do you think it was such an easy decision for Chacon to capitulate to the British once they made their intentions known?
Because he didn't want them to open the can of whup-ass they were holding. The French and British had squared off in POS previously with Chacon literally in the middle saying Trinidad/Spain not in that, take it elsewhere. Meantime he facing the next gunfight with a piece of wood and a big stone. He was banished from the Spanish Empire for his actions.
Spain didn't give ah fart about Trinidad at that point... they had they garrisons in Venezuela and Colombia along with at least one armada, why they di'n send them? Yuh have to remember the context, Trinidad wasn't remitting nutten tuh de spanish coffers. War with England just wasn't cost effective... plus England had been spoiling fuh ah fight with Spain for 50 years at that point... ever since the War of Jenkins' Ear. It was all pretext to fight a decisive battle that would cripple the Spanish fleet and leave the colonies vulnerable. Spain did more than happy tuh sacrifice Trinidad.
The value of Trinidad to Spain had already been shown to be minimal when they agreed to let the French in. It was a sleepy non-productive outpost. The fact that Spain didn't try to retake Trinidad is an indication of the wider strategic calculations you are talking about, but the decision of Chacon to abdicate was certainly mostly influenced by facts on the ground. 17 vs 4 = cutass, especially when you consider he is "running" a colony where most of the people not even Spanish.
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The value of Trinidad to Spain had already been shown to be minimal when they agreed to let the French in. It was a sleepy non-productive outpost. The fact that Spain didn't try to retake Trinidad is an indication of the wider strategic calculations you are talking about, but the decision of Chacon to abdicate was certainly mostly influenced by facts on the ground. 17 vs 4 = cutass, especially when you consider he is "running" a colony where most of the people not even Spanish.
Actually the Poblacion (in my estimation) was actually a half-hearted attempt to salvage the colony, so I might have to disagree with you on that part. Bringing in the French was Chacon's idea and he sold it well on the crown. The French would not only supply a tax base but in building their plantations they would also develop the infrastructure of the island...building roads, digging wells etc. Stuff the Spanish crown couldn't see the need for. But to your point, Spain's interest was waning... as was it's naval power. This was the turning point in European colonial supremacy... England was to take control of the seas and not relinquish it until the 20th century when German and US navies surpassed the HMS fleet. The rise of air dominance was the death knell of the British naval power, but this late 18th century period was the dawn of its golden age.
As Spain's dominance waned she had to decide which of the coloinies she would focus her energies on... without a navy it was hard to keep control of these remote colonies so far removed from Europe. Keeping the British out of S. America was a worthy enough goal to sacrifice Trinidad...whose only real value was LaBrea at the time.
Deeks ah wouldn't call mihself ah "buff" b/c it have man could put me to shame. But I like to read and stuff like this real interesting to me because reading between the lines you learn the development of TnT... the power play in Europe resulted in collateral consequences for the colonies which left lasting impacts which endure to this day. Kinda sad in a way (to the extent it shows how immaterial all of us islands were in the grand schemes... they might as well be trading marbles to settle schoolboy debts), but at the same time it fascinating to trace the influences we see today.
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... on a much separate note, but one I think many would find interesting (if allyuh is anywhere a geek like me at least).. the American Revolutionary hero John Paul Jones was credited with founding the US Navy. He was actually a Scotsman who was an accomplished sea captain at a very young age but he got in trouble in Scotland for beating one of his sailors within an inch of his life. The man later died and he fled Scotland to of all places... Tobago. In Tobago he established a very profitable maritime business before again running into trouble... this time killing another man with a sword. It's at this point he left the West Indies for America... settling in Virginia right at the time of the American Revolution. He volunteered his services to the nascent Continental navy... and the rest as they say is history. Small, accidental, but all the same important footnote played by Tobago in the American Revolution :D
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Since last August, Louis B. Homer (T&T Express) has been writing a Remembering Our Past column. Check out some past articles:
La Romaine...From sugar estate to booming village (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161589836)
La Rufin, the gem of Moruga (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161601925)
L'envieusse village...Cedros' French past (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161598700)
Killdeer Village...Down by the river side (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161586481)
Cachipe Village...Where lagahoos used to roam (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161583777)
The almost forgotten village of Anglais (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161577747)
Winds of change in Buenos Ayres (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161574999)
Cocoyea, PM's hometown (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161569677)
Rampanalgas...Where coconut was king (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161566972)
'Merikins' of Iere Village (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161563878)
Gandhi Village...renamed after Indian icon by Dr Williams (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161561165)
Inside Morne La Croix (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161558404)
Unspoilt Cumaca (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161551613)
No Chinese in Chiney Village (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161545909)
The hidden charms of Tortuga (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161542938)
Blanchisseuse...Home of T&T's first Governor General (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161537600)
From 'Corhee' to Korea (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161534670)
Quiet, crime-free life in Los Attajos (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161528263)
Abyssinia, the forgotten village (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161525418)
:applause: :applause: ahhhhhhhh yes weekend reading. Thank you much Tallest of Talls :beermug: <---malta
Of course, some of these villages names, have me wondering if I really from Trinidad :-\
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Notes from
Handbook of Trinidad and Tobago, Port of Spain 1924, p.141
A guide to Trinidad Collens,J.H. london 1888 p.238
the great divide
When slavery was formally abolished across the british empire in 1834 and cheap labor was needed for the sugar-cane plantations, malnourished Indians were shipped over from Calcutta and Madras. While the white planters of the West Indies had grown rich on sugar cane their cousins in India had made fortunes from land revenues; and many beautiful houses were built in the English countryside. North India, under British control, was awash with dislocated, landless peasants. A voyage across the oceans and a stint as a bonded or indentured laborer was an alternative to destitution.
In Trinidad, the newly arrived East Indians were nervous of the alien society in which they found themselves. They feared the island's black majority: Negroes seemed physically stronger, had rough manners and their dark skin identified them with the lower castes of Hinduism. the negroes for their part, came to regard these East Indians as heathens with peculiar customs who kept to themselves, were mean with money, cooked strange food and were servile to the plantation owners. Black agricultural laborers found their wages being undercut. The looked down on the Indians, who had to work long hours in the cane fields, as the "new slaves"
from the Protector of Immigrants, Port of Spain 1894,
Photographs of these new arrivals from India show them dressed in rags: a kurta and dothi and light turban for men, or a sari with the pallu, or tail, of the sari draped over the head in modesty for the women. These broken-down, thin limbed immigrants with their bundles of possessions can only have made the journey to Trinidad as a last resort.
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POS Harbor
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American Occupancy- note no person of color on de beach
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Carnival
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Carnival 1918
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St Joseph 1880 Guiseppi Family Cane fields
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The beauty of my ancestors ;D
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Bakes you are correct your stuff... My spanish ancestors of the North Eastern Coast of trinidad are really venezuelans who settled there after 1867... many of them journeyed from Margarita to the smaller island, crossing the bocas till they reached the cocoa plantations of Matelot... I tort that place or the spanish names associated with it (in and around) may have existed since spanish occupation but found out that it's a lot later into the centuries...
Yuh know you, me and him are all alumni (descendant of a trinidadian fadder)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Mallory_II
Tortuga-
Has a british look out... the lookout as many called it was a post established by the British (de road next to bahadursingh shop) to monitor the furthest points of the West Coast and the Gulf of Paria... the stuff noted in the trinidadian article about amerindians living there is true... When I was a kid I was digging with a pick axe (destructive little kid) in tortuga (foothills behind the Church) I discovered a huge amount of chip chip, mangrove oysters, some bone and a little pottery not a large amount just shards). Some historians were alerted and it was said that that place was a dump for a possible amerindian village that existed there...
There is an existing maroon/rastafarian village that existed on our lands in Bon Aventure (just on the outskirts of the Caratal Rd near the quarry.... if you take school road and go down pond lane, then pass karate boysie and follow the track to the quarry is slightly to your right on de hills, best herbs grow there) I remember as a kid some of the indians fellas picking on one of the rasta fellas because he was dressed in a crocus skirt.... sad sad sad... a few days later my dad took me to the lil ajoupas (mainly constructed from bamboo and carat thatched roofs) I have not visited them in nearly 15 years... so ah doh know about it presently.... will ask meh fadder.
Who remember the show Cross Roads with Stalkie...?
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I think the most tragic part of all of this is the fact that these very books from which the youth and future of the nation could learn "from whence they came" is not on standard primary and secondary school curricula. I myself did not read "From Columbus to Castro", "Making of Port of Spain" etc until after leaving Secondary school. Presumably if one took history for O'levels this would be part of the curriculum (correct me if wrong, did not do History at O's), but all of this should be mandatory from 1st Form or before.
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I think the most tragic part of all of this is the fact that these very books from which the youth and future of the nation could learn "from whence they came" is not on standard primary and secondary school curricula. I myself did not read "From Columbus to Castro", "Making of Port of Spain" etc until after leaving Secondary school. Presumably if one took history for O'levels this would be part of the curriculum (correct me if wrong, did not do History at O's), but all of this should be mandatory from 1st Form or before.
My problem from de system is that from 1st year to standard five to sec school all yuh really does learn about was Columbus, we had a people called carib and arawak, africans were slaves then came indians... de las casas, raleigh caulked he ships in la brea... and the cycle is repeated over and over year after year...
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Hugh Stollmeyer
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hugh Stollmeyer (1912- 1982)[1] was an artist from Trinidad.
Hugh Stollmeyer
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Hugh Stollmeyer with Wall Painting
Born 1912
Trinidad
Died 1982
New York
Field painting, poetry
Training Art Student's League in New York, U.S.A
Contents [hide]
1 Early Life and the Trinidad Independents
2 The Beacon
3 Artistic maturity
4 Expanded description
5 References
6 External links
[edit]Early Life and the Trinidad Independents
Hugh Stollmeyer was born in Trinidad, the southernmost island in the Caribbean, on January 13, 1912. The influence of his idyllic early years in this lush tropical paradise is apparent in his art, both in his use of vibrant colors and in his portrayal of island people. Hugh was an artistic child; always painting, reading, drawing and writing poetry and plays. When he finished school he joined the "Trinidad Independent", a group of creative thinkers who questioned the social and artistic "norm" of the day and whose interests included: the abolishment of class divisions, capitalism, racism, religious extremism and prejudice against homosexuality. A consciousness of Trinidad's cultural heritage was visible for the first time in the artwork of Hugh and the Trinidad Independents; the influences of Amerindian iconography and the symbols of African Obeah are two such examples[2]. Hugh exhibited his work with others from the Independents in Trinidad and abroad.
[edit]The Beacon
Collectively, the Independents published a magazine called "The Beacon" as a means to manifest their collective desire to make the nation of Trinidad a vital intellectual center where new ideas could be tested and new avenues of racial and political justice could be discussed in the Caribbean[3]. The magazine included articles on politics, sociology and philosophy, as well as reviews of book and art exhibitions, original poetry and short stories. Hugh wrote articles on art, art restoration and reviews of art exhibitions, as well as poetry.
[edit]Artistic maturity
Hugh left Trinidad for New York in the summer of 1930 and lived with his older brothers who were already working and studying there[4]. Hugh apprenticed at a photographic advertising company, and attended classes at the Art Students league. He continued his correspondence with the Trinidad Independents and wrote for the Beacon. In 1933 he moved back to Trinidad. Hugh continued exhibiting his work locally and abroad and was active in the Trinidad art scene. By 1938, Hugh was increasingly uncomfortable within the confines of Trinidad society, and he returned to New York. The work from the late 1930's, particularly after his return to New York, marks the beginning of his artistic maturity. His work captures the character and mixed ethnicity of the Trinidad people as well as the vibrant color and the lush and varied forms of topical foliage.
He was very active in the Greenwich Village creative community and spent much time frequenting the galleries, critiquing and learning from others‚ art. While his subject matter and palette continued to reflect both Trinidad's culture, people and tropical foliage as well as the influence of artists such as Botticelli, Gauguin, Van Gogh, and Picasso, his style increasingly reflected his knowledge and understanding of Avant Garde painting in New York at that time.
[edit]Expanded description
In the mid 1950s, Hugh and his friend Arthur Repkin moved to the countryside north of New York City. Hugh planted extensive gardens here and both the flowers and vegetables he grew became the subjects for his painting. He was also vitally interested in abstract painting, but not the action‚ painting of the abstract expressionists for which he had little sympathy. Much of his abstract work is on an intimate scale in gouache and reflects his continuing interest in surrealism as well as in clear and vibrant color, and in the juxtaposition of mass rather than line.
By 1959 Hugh's relationship with Repkin was disintegrating and he returned to New York briefly and then to Trinidad where he lived for the major part of each year until 1964. He immediately immersed himself in the artistic life of the island and exhibited frequently. This was a very productive period, marked by his return to painting Trinidad women, in all their diversity, surrounded by the lush vibrant color of tropical flowers and foliage. There is a new, almost ecstatic freedom in the design of these works which conveys his love for tropical people and tropical plants.
Hugh's productivity and involvement in the art scene was counterbalanced by bouts of depression which he had suffered from throughout his life. At this time the depression was accompanied by increasingly heavy drinking and this began to take its toll. After he returned to New York in 1964, he found it increasingly difficult to paint and stopped painting seriously in 1965.
In 1966 he was asked to design the curtain for the stage at the Trinidad and Tobago Pavilion at Expo '67 in Montreal. He was both gratified and perplexed to be asked. He was an enthusiastic supporter of Trinidad independence (in 1961), but was also quite aware of his status as an "old colonial". This may have been his last work.
In 1967 he went to work at the Elmhurst Mount Sinai Hospital, New York, in the physiotherapy department. He viewed his work there as a kind of performance, healing through love and laughter as well as physiotherapy. He found the constant contact with people invigorating after the solitary pursuit of painting.
In 1971 he left the hospital, hoping to return to painting but found that he could not. His previous work, however, was taken up by the Ligoa Duncan Gallery in Uptown Manhattan and he had exhibitions there and at their gallery in Paris.
In 1976 he returned to Trinidad at his family's insistence and was treated for alcoholism. In 1977 Hugh returned to New York where he died on June 15, 1982.
Hugh Stollmeyer was one of Trinidad's great painters. His work was very influential towards the Caribbean art movement. Many of his paintings have been published by Fine Island Arts Inc., a publishing, marketing and distribution company established by a relative in 2006.
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Bakes you are correct your stuff... My spanish ancestors of the North Eastern Coast of trinidad are really venezuelans who settled there after 1867... many of them journeyed from Margarita to the smaller island, crossing the bocas till they reached the cocoa plantations of Matelot... I tort that place or the spanish names associated with it (in and around) may have existed since spanish occupation but found out that it's a lot later into the centuries...
Yuh know you, me and him are all alumni (descendant of a trinidadian fadder)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Mallory_II
Ah came across the info on Mallory, Sr. some years ago... couldn't remember his name though. Didn't know about the son. Interesting stuff about the Maroons in TnT... didn't know anything about them.
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Kinda related to trinidad since most of our family came across the seas from Ghana and Angola (tracing bantu origins here)
photos courtesy my sis in law
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slave children
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Postive thread, nice change from the usual movalang behaviour.
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Postive thread, nice change for the usual movalang behaviour.
ah now go to say dat...fuss time ah ever see ah ah thread turn from good to better
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I guess this one must be related to Jeffery the cricketer. There was Stolmeyer who played for the US a couple years ago. His father is related to the Stolmeyers. He settled in Virginia. They are a pretty diverse family.
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I guess this one must be related to Jeffery the cricketer. There was Stolmeyer who played for the US a couple years ago. His father is related to the Stolmeyers. He settled in Virginia. They are a pretty diverse family.
Yeah all them Stollmeyers related... the US footballer is John Stollmeyer, he didn't get too many caps, but irony of ironies one of them was the infamous game in 1990. I remember there being an article in the Express at the time about his visit and his family here. He didn't know much about it/them.
EDIT:
I stumbled upon an incredible archive of blogs written by local historian Gerard Besson. Still haven't made my way thru all of them but what I've read is riveting thus far... thought I'd share.
http://caribbeanhistoryarchives.blogspot.com/
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All the history of TT in all yuh tail. Bakes, you bad. Thanx man.
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All the history of TT in all yuh tail. Bakes, you bad. Thanx man.
Deeks yuh eh see how Tallman come and bring he 'A' game or wha'? lol.
Cana... ah see yuh family get ah mention in dat link about La Rufin (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161601925) ;)
btw... here's another link I think some might appreciate, ah sure ah post it before (probably in that thread we had ah while back about patois) but it fitting fuh dis thread too:
http://www.une.edu.au/langnet/definitions/trinidad.html
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All the history of TT in all yuh tail. Bakes, you bad. Thanx man.
Deeks yuh eh see how Tallman come and bring he 'A' game or wha'? lol.
Cana... ah see yuh family get ah mention in dat link about La Rufin (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161601925) ;)
btw... here's another link I think some might appreciate, ah sure ah post it before (probably in that thread we had ah while back about patois) but it fitting fuh dis thread too:
http://www.une.edu.au/langnet/definitions/trinidad.html
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I have to laugh. Last night I email the links to my dad, who in return sent a message saying you'll find your family in one of those links. Of course, that meant I really had to read up on all to give the man an answer next time I speak with him. Time I opened the link, I realized that I've read it already. Actually I think it was pecan that posted it in this very same forum.
But I do intend to read them especially those that I've never heard of - L'envieusse village (can't even pronounce the damn thing) and Killdeer Village.
My question is, are these villages still in existence? Or I would guess that their names have been changed by now. I'm seeing a lot of photo opportunities on my next visit home ;D
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All the history of TT in all yuh tail. Bakes, you bad. Thanx man.
Deeks yuh eh see how Tallman come and bring he 'A' game or wha'? lol.
Cana... ah see yuh family get ah mention in dat link about La Rufin (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161601925) ;)
btw... here's another link I think some might appreciate, ah sure ah post it before (probably in that thread we had ah while back about patois) but it fitting fuh dis thread too:
http://www.une.edu.au/langnet/definitions/trinidad.html
:rotfl:
I have to laugh. Last night I email the links to my dad, who in return sent a message saying you'll find your family in one of those links. Of course, that meant I really had to read up on all to give the man an answer next time I speak with him. Time I opened the link, I realized that I've read it already. Actually I think it was pecan that posted it in this very same forum.
But I do intend to read them especially those that I've never heard of - L'envieusse village (can't even pronounce the damn thing) and Killdeer Village.
My question is, are these villages still in existence? Or I would guess that their names have been changed by now. I'm seeing a lot of photo opportunities on my next visit home ;D
Prematie-
If you are ever in DC you and your family are welcomed to stay at my home... to date I probably have in my possession the largest personal collection of photos, original documents and artwork on TnT... plus modern day photos of the coast line. Was about to do some more research but the Ministries and their employees prove to be very unreliable, too busy, blatantly will ignore you, love their cell phones and not to mention it's dangerous in some areas to carry pro camera gear.... so I did not get to visit and photograph a lot of places on my last visit.... I will be going home in May and may be I'll take photos of those places that Tallman linked us with. My FB has some of the photos but I'm too lazy to individually tell their story, so the are just nice to look at.
(nb) something that is interesting is that The Toco light house has a sister (exact height) on the island of Chacachacare...
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I guess this one must be related to Jeffery the cricketer. There was Stolmeyer who played for the US a couple years ago. His father is related to the Stolmeyers. He settled in Virginia. They are a pretty diverse family.
Yeah all them Stollmeyers related... the US footballer is John Stollmeyer, he didn't get too many caps, but irony of ironies one of them was the infamous game in 1990. I remember there being an article in the Express at the time about his visit and his family here. He didn't know much about it/them.
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I stumbled upon an incredible archive of blogs written by local historian Gerard Besson. Still haven't made my way thru all of them but what I've read is riveting thus far... thought I'd share.
http://caribbeanhistoryarchives.blogspot.com/
Hugh was part of the great Stollmeyer legacy... he was the inheritor of the Castle at the time... that family has a very colorful history (very interwoven in the fabric of TnT life)... may be Jeffers can tell us a bit...!
Some of the more successful maroon societies may have been the Gullah in SC, Black Seminoles and the tribes of inner Guiana and Suriname. My great grand father told us stories about the maroons can't remember the facts but there were several reasons why they survived.... Cotton Hill off the Mayo Road at the corner of Whiteland and Bon Aventure RD was formed from a maroon settlement. From what I learned from our oratorical history... the small population of "white and creole" planter, the difference between jungle and forrest and the prevalence of the cascabels (mapapies) aided in the formations of these small pockets of maroon settlements. Most settlements diminished at the turn of the 1900's...
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I think the most tragic part of all of this is the fact that these very books from which the youth and future of the nation could learn "from whence they came" is not on standard primary and secondary school curricula. I myself did not read "From Columbus to Castro", "Making of Port of Spain" etc until after leaving Secondary school. Presumably if one took history for O'levels this would be part of the curriculum (correct me if wrong, did not do History at O's), but all of this should be mandatory from 1st Form or before.
Great point. :applause. Columbus to Castro is a great book. Books like "Capitalism and Slavery" by Eric Williams, "Beyond a Boundary" and "Black Jacobins" by CLR James should be must reads for the youths. Another one is "If yuh iron good yuh is King"..on the history of the steelband.
Unfortunately there seems to be no desire to learn about, or preserve our history. Ideally Gov't should do it, but thinkers aren't always in power (or they too smart and decide to leave the masses ignorant..lol)
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All the history of TT in all yuh tail. Bakes, you bad. Thanx man.
Deeks yuh eh see how Tallman come and bring he 'A' game or wha'? lol.
Cana... ah see yuh family get ah mention in dat link about La Rufin (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161601925) ;)
btw... here's another link I think some might appreciate, ah sure ah post it before (probably in that thread we had ah while back about patois) but it fitting fuh dis thread too:
http://www.une.edu.au/langnet/definitions/trinidad.html
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I have to laugh. Last night I email the links to my dad, who in return sent a message saying you'll find your family in one of those links. Of course, that meant I really had to read up on all to give the man an answer next time I speak with him. Time I opened the link, I realized that I've read it already. Actually I think it was pecan that posted it in this very same forum.
But I do intend to read them especially those that I've never heard of - L'envieusse village (can't even pronounce the damn thing) and Killdeer Village.
My question is, are these villages still in existence? Or I would guess that their names have been changed by now. I'm seeing a lot of photo opportunities on my next visit home ;D
Prematie-
If you are ever in DC you and your family are welcomed to stay at my home... to date I probably have in my possession the largest personal collection of photos, original documents and artwork on TnT... plus modern day photos of the coast line. Was about to do some more research but the Ministries and their employees prove to be very unreliable, too busy, blatantly will ignore you, love their cell phones and not to mention it's dangerous in some areas to carry pro camera gear.... so I did not get to visit and photograph a lot of places on my last visit.... I will be going home in May and may be I'll take photos of those places that Tallman linked us with. My FB has some of the photos but I'm too lazy to individually tell their story, so the are just nice to look at.
(nb) something that is interesting is that The Toco light house has a sister (exact height) on the island of Chacachacare...
Daft you don't want to go home in June by chance? I'm heading there for 2-3 weeks. ;D
It will be my pleasure following you around the country.
And thank you for the invite; one that I would possibly take you up on on my next visit. Most likely September.
I agree with taking out your photography gear in public. I actually had to hid to take shots around the Savannah. steupses!! You really have no idea who watching and looking at you....
me female....you thinking, 'easy prey'. and most likely he/they damn right.
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Yeah, from the articles the villages still in existence... except for Abyssinia, which was nationalized by NGC as part of their natural gas portfolio apparently. Like you nearly all dem name foreign to me... which is something I find real saddening. Trinidad too small for us not to be familiar with these places and their history. Growing up in Valencia I couldn't even point you to where Cumaca (or "Cumac" as they call it) was... although I know the name and know that it was somewhere "up so". It would be great to visit some of these places for real.
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To 100% Barataria's post... there was relatively little local history taught at O' Levels when I took it, we examined the pre-colonial history only in passing, to note the indigenous tribes, then delved into the colonial period, slavery, emancipation and some of the post-colonial period. Very little, if anything on Trinidad's particular history and cultural development. Everything I learned I basically had to educate myself on... and I still have a very long way to go, I'm yet to read "Columbus to Castro" or "The Making of Port of Spain". I need to put that on my list of things to do.
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Ah have de people work to do but ah juss take a break and come across this and decide tuh share... I went to Guaico Presbyterian School so I have many fond childhood memories from this place...
GUAICO: AN INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL VILLAGE
Trinidad Guardian
May 29, 1999
Page 29
Guaico - The Village bears the Amerindian name from the river which flows through it and extends from Turure in the West to Picton Road, Sangre Grande in the East, bounded on the North by the Guaico river and to the South at Modeste Hill, Guaico Tamana Road.
With the abolition of slavery in 1834 and later the completion of Indentureship contracts which freed Africans and released East Indians, labourers ventured eastwards of the island which was covered with virgin forest. They were encouraged by English Governor Lord Harris who offered the incentive of reduced prices for Crown Lands.
Between 1822 and 1839, the Royal Road was opened from Manzanilla Bay to Arima, passing through Sangre Chiquito, Sangre Grande, Cunapo, Guaico and Valencia.
This 'dirt track' is now known as the Eastern Main Road, which ends in the City of Port of Spain. Many East Indians bought Crown Lands and cultivated sugar cane, cocoa and coffee, while Africans continued to work for wages in the larger estates and on Government projects.
Along this 'dirt track' houses were erected with wooden pillars, earthen floors, tapia walls-mud, wood and timite roofs. Those who were nomadic rented rooms and planted ground provisions in their backyards to subsidize their food bills.
When the railway was extended from Arima to Sangre Grande in 1897, these settlers found employment in the construction of the railway line and the bridge over the Guaico river. Guaico railway station was later built in 1902.
Immigrants from other West Indian islands, particularly St Vincent and Dominica, migrated to Guaico and brought with them their custom of giving elevated places where they lived the name "Hill," and so the names Damarie Hill, Goat Hill and Modeste Hill got their names.
These settlers were poor and so too was sanitation. Since poorly constructed pit latrines in the yards were a health hazard and yaws, hookworms, jiggers and malnutrition were prevalent among inhabitants, a hospital was erected where the present gasoline service station now stands.
Guaico river provided water for drinking, cooking, bathing and washing and residents were always sure to catch fishes like cascarob, guabin, yarau, cascadoo and sardines which they prepare for their meals.
One of the early indentured Indians, Tewarie Mahadeo Maharaj, known as Babaji Mahadeo, bought 16 acres of Crown Lands. Mahadeo and his sons reared cattle and horses and were involved in horse-cart transport and the selling of cow's milk. A Vincentian named Charles Toney (the grandfather of former Minister of National Security Joseph Toney) who lived at Guaico Cross Roads, was also a horsecart transporter of goods. He later bought a lorry and continued his trade.
William Hugh Benjamin, of Scottish descent, was the first person to have a motor car in Guaico. His bakery, manufacturing hops bread, served the whole of East Trinidad by bicycle and horse transport. Today, the bakery, over 100 years old is serviced by a new fleet of trucks and services areas north east and south east of the country.
Benjamin also had the first two storey wooden dwelling house in Guaico and assisted Dr. John Morton, Pioneer Canadian Missionary, who established the Guaico Canadian Mission Indian Primary School in 1898, with lumber to erect the Morton Memorial Presbyterian Church and the Guaico Presbyterian School.
Seecharan Well near the Presbyterian Church and Jhaboo's well supplied water to the nearby residents until the coming of pipeborne water in 1924 from the Valencia Dam.
Shopping had to be done at Arima and when returning home, residents were often beaten and robbed by brigands along the Valencia Long Stretch. There was no electricity and pitch oil lamps and flambeaux provided light until the village got electricity in 1948.
The transfer in 1962 of the Public Works Department to Guaico where it is at present opened another avenue for employment. It assisted in the opening of additional traces and roads in the village.
For playing cricket, grounds were at Damarie Hill, Freida Hosein's and at San Louis Estate. "Badjoe" who died a few years ago, provided much labour to level the Oriental Ground.
As the population increased, shops were opened by Chinese and Indians. At Guaico Junction, the shopkeepers were Huggins, then Mahong, Ramdass and Subhit.
Some of the pioneers in local trade at Guaico included Ma Prieto-toolum; Ma Leeman-sweets; Miss Adelene-pone; Ma Soodie-buns and cakes; Miss Annie-buns and tarts. Mook sold snow ball, while Lazer sold ground nuts.
Other village pioneers include, John Villafana, Maharagin, Sonwa, Sinanan, Creese, Cupid, Pierre, Ada, Johnny, Nerahoo, Bonalde, Baboo, Hafizul, Ogis, Blake, Sadhoo, Odain, Frederick, Glasgow, Sampson, Toney, Manuela, Hillie, Priscilla Irish, Nath and a host of others.
Guaico, once a struggling agricultural village, has grown in recent years to become an industrial and commercial centre in East Trinidad.
Saw mills, milk processing farms, quarries and a large company now processing cocoa and coffee grown in the East have been built.
In 1991, a new Government school was established with a spacious lighted playground nearby and new homes and businesses have sprung up.
Once, a village with earthen drains and gravel roads, Guaico has made tremendous advancements and now has street lights, paved drains, footpaths, modern asphalt roads and two storey structures.
http://www.nalis.gov.tt/Places/places_Guaico.html
p.s. Clint Huggins who was killed by Dole Chadee's gang 13 years ago when they shot and burned him on Churchill-Roosevelt was a classmate of mine all thru primary school, the "Huggins" mentioned in the article are no doubt his forebears.
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Mervyn M. Dymally
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Mervyn M. Dymally
Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
from California's 31st district
In office
January 3, 1981 – January 3, 1993
Preceded by Charles H. Wilson
Succeeded by Matthew G. Martinez
Born May 12, 1926 (age 83)
Cedros, Trinidad and Tobago
Political party Democratic
Mervyn Malcolm Dymally (born May 12, 1926 in Cedros, Trinidad and Tobago) is a California Democratic politician of mixed Indian and Afro-Trinidadian heritage. He served in the California State Assembly (1963-1966) and the California State Senate (1967-1975), as the 41st Lieutenant Governor of California (1975-1979), and in the U.S. House of Representatives (1981-1993). After a 10-year retirement, he returned to politics to serve in the California State Assembly (2002-2008).
Dymally was the first Trinidadian to serve as Lieutenant Governor of California. He also served as the first Trinidadian in the California State Senate prior to his time as lieutenant governor. As a member of the House of Representatives, he was one of the first persons of African and Indian origin to serve in the U.S. Congress. Along with George L. Brown of Colorado, who was also elected a lieutenant governor in 1974, Dymally was one of the two first blacks elected to any statewide office in any state since Reconstruction (Oscar Dunn of Louisiana was the first black elected lieutenant governor).[1]
[edit]Career
Dymally received his secondary education at Naparima College, San Fernando, Trinidad, his undergraduate education at Lincoln University, Jefferson City, Missouri and Los Angeles State College, his Master's degree from California State University, Sacramento, and his doctorate from United States International University (now Alliant International University), San Diego.
In the tightly contested race for Lt. Governor in 1978, Dymally's bid for re-election was derailed when Michael Franchetti, an aid to State Senator George Deukmejian, floated a false rumor that Dymally was about to be indicted. The story, coming days before the election, harmed the Dymally campaign, and Dymally lost to Republican Mike Curb. Franchetti later said that the source of the rumor was a Los Angeles Times reporter, who called the Justice Department trying to confirm its authenticity. Franchetti could not substantiate the rumor but included it in a report. The report was then passed to Dymally's opponent and later to a television reporter. Then-Atty. Gen. Younger filed a letter of reprimand in Franchetti's personnel records, accusing him of a breach of responsibility.[2]
Dymally came out of retirement and returned to the California State Assembly in 2002 when Assemblyman Carl Washington was term limited. He served for six years and then tried to return to the State Senate in 2008. However, he was defeated in the Democratic primary for State Senate election by Rod Wright.
Dymally is a member of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc.
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Franchetti shoulda get he asscut more than that
A letter of reprimand ::)
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House of Mano Benjamin-
The crime that shocked a nation....
The house of Mano Benjamin in Chatham
ears ago, for those who are too young to remember, a man named Mano Benjamin—a giant of an Afro-Trini with the demeanour of a hyena—established Biche’s notoriety. Mano used its remoteness to imprison two young sisters whom he mutilated in a most savage manner. He gouged out one’s eyes and subjected the other to sexual atrocities that shocked the nation. When, in the 1960s, the trial judge jailed Mano for 20 years, he (the judge) dubbed the giant the “Beast of Biche”.- Raffique Shah
One of the victims is still alive...she was blinded by Mano gouging out her eyes . Mano slit her sister's vagina and then sewed it back up. He survied his 20 year jail sentence which ran from 1960-80. Mano died in this house in 1998. He was dead for five days before his decomposing corpse was found.
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Nuns and Patients Chacachacare Leprosarium circa 1930....note the disfiguring effects of leprosy
Built and commissioned in 1922-4, it operated as the 'Caribbean Molokai' until 1984. I know many former patients and staff personally. The tireless and pious devotion of the Dominican Sisters who tended the patients along with a small government staff is one of the great and oft told stories of our history
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Icacos fishermen 1920's
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A run away slave house in the north coast.... (obviously upgraded)
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All yuh will never guess which beach it is and which place this photo was shot from :beermug:
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Maracas Bay, taken from somewhere up in de bush.
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House of Mano Benjamin-
The crime that shocked a nation....
The house of Mano Benjamin in Chatham
ears ago, for those who are too young to remember, a man named Mano Benjamin—a giant of an Afro-Trini with the demeanour of a hyena—established Biche’s notoriety. Mano used its remoteness to imprison two young sisters whom he mutilated in a most savage manner. He gouged out one’s eyes and subjected the other to sexual atrocities that shocked the nation. When, in the 1960s, the trial judge jailed Mano for 20 years, he (the judge) dubbed the giant the “Beast of Biche”.- Raffique Shah
One of the victims is still alive...she was blinded by Mano gouging out her eyes . Mano slit her sister's vagina and then sewed it back up. He survied his 20 year jail sentence which ran from 1960-80. Mano died in this house in 1998. He was dead for five days before his decomposing corpse was found.
Wow I think hes the first black monster predator in the Americas then and one of the first of any race Ed Gain beat him out .
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Maracas Bay, taken from somewhere up in de bush.
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in alone?
look like hoverin over de bush de way de bay lookin far away
had no idea mano benjamin dead as 'recently' as the 90's
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Daft Trini how yuh reach up there to take the pic of Maracas?
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Daft Trini how yuh reach up there to take the pic of Maracas?
Is wah he was doin up dey ;D
All yuh remember a movie called Sankofa? The trini accent in that was interesting, sounded a bit more of my grandparents day, I would love to hear some recordings of how we spoke as we transitioned from Spanish to French to English w/our African, Amerindian, Indian, and other mixes all intertwined...
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BICHE
By Michael Anthony
Biche is surprising. This tiny village of Charuma Ward in County Nariva, a village which remained as if lost in the forest since its first settlement around 1874, is now the most vibrant and flourishing village on the Cunapo-Rio Claro Road.
The vague date “around 1874” was the date when the first couple settled in Biche – a hunter and his teen-aged wife. Her name was Maria Gomez, or something very like it. At Rio Claro, some time in 1980, the writer was approached and told: “There’s an old woman at Biche, who I think you’d want to see. On your way back to Port-of-Spain pass through Biche. You’d want to see her. She’s 118 years old.”
No attention was paid to the age given for of course it could not be. Nevertheless one passed through Biche. At Biche, in an elegant little house, there she was, the old woman lying on a bed. She looked very ill but she was very lucid. She said, “Of course I am 118 years old.”
The next comment was, “Since you have no birth certificate, can you tell me something to make me know you are 118 years old?”
She rambled on but then she said she could not think of anything.
“Who was the Governor at the time?”
“Don’t know. I wasn’t interested in those people.”
Then after some silence she said, ”One thing I remember. When I was about 18 me and me husband went to Arima to see me parents. There was a lot of noise, like the knocking of old iron. I asked what was that, and they told me the government was building a railway.”
That was enough. The Trinidad Government Railway to Arima, was established in 1876. If what she said was true she went home to Arima when she was 14! In that case she would have been 118 in 1980.
As suggested by the name “Biche,” a Patois term for wild beasts such as deer or lappe, it was an area for hunters. In that period hunters wandered to what would be considered today extremely far, but even so, to walk from Arima to Biche would have been unrealistic. One would not know what route the hunters took, nor from where they came, but it would seem the best way to get to Biche in those days was by using the Nariva River at the Cocal and getting across the northern Nariva Swamp.
Today, Biche lies by road on what was certainly one of the hunters’ tracks – at least from Sangre Grande. By the turn of the century it was the only recognized village in the “wilderness,” But in a government big road-making programme of 1928-1929 the Cunapo-Biche Road was extended to Rio Claro, bringing the light of day to tiny settlements like Cushe and Charuma.
However, even as late as 1950 Biche was a straggling little roadside village, with the never-failing Chinese shop, and a few dwelling houses. Then it was almost unknown to the rest of Trinidad but by the next decade it shot into prominence by the most unlikely means – a horror story. The villain of that story was Mano Benjamin, who carried out a crime that shook the nation by its ghastliness and cruelty. Mano, who earned the title “the Beast of Biche”, spent several years in prison for his crime. He died in 1998.
Biche has recovered, and has grown enormously between then and now, and is quaint and prosperous-looking. Strange prosperity, because, looking around, one confesses there is no visible sign of where the good times have come from. Agriculture? Maybe. What one can see is that this straggling village of yesterday is now a vibrant, even picturesque, little place, an “oasis” on the Cunapo-Rio Claro Road. It became prominent enough to have a modern Junior Secondary School by the turn of this century – the 21st – but the school has been condemned and is locked in controversy.
There are attractive shops for garment as well as groceries, a few well laid out streets, and a lot of people. The population in 1950 was around 400. Now in 2007 it’s population is around 4,000.
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Gosh look how allyuh have me finding map of Trinidad...steupse!!
Cunapo-Rio Claro ??? I really have to stop this St James/West/Savannah/Diego Martin/Maracas/Malls/LaLune/Point Fortin liming when ever I go home and get with the flipping program of knowing meh damn country :-\
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daft, this is good stuff... :beermug:
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Nuns and Patients Chacachacare Leprosarium circa 1930....note the disfiguring effects of leprosy
Built and commissioned in 1922-4, it operated as the 'Caribbean Molokai' until 1984. I know many former patients and staff personally. The tireless and pious devotion of the Dominican Sisters who tended the patients along with a small government staff is one of the great and oft told stories of our history
What is also an untold story of that place is the amount of abortions those nuns had for the priests down there. I read a book called behind the Convent walls by a Mrs. Cruikshank written long ago telling that tale!
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A run away slave house in the north coast.... (obviously upgraded)
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All yuh will never guess which beach it is and which place this photo was shot from :beermug:
Maracas from El Tuchuche. The top of El Tuchuche is visible from the Maracas and very cleary from the west end of Las Cuevas.
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swima, where is the entry point for that..or are there a few??
I have a pardner that does run one of them tourist eco-tour ting out of blanchicheuse, buh he never carry we dat high
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Nuns and Patients Chacachacare Leprosarium circa 1930....note the disfiguring effects of leprosy
Built and commissioned in 1922-4, it operated as the 'Caribbean Molokai' until 1984. I know many former patients and staff personally. The tireless and pious devotion of the Dominican Sisters who tended the patients along with a small government staff is one of the great and oft told stories of our history
What is also an untold story of that place is the amount of abortions those nuns had for the priests down there. I read a book called behind the Convent walls by a Mrs. Cruikshank written long ago telling that tale!
I also heard that from one of my uncles. He spoke about the those from Mt St Benedict between the priests at the Abbey and the Carmelite nuns who are/were stationed up on the mount at that time. Not sure if they up there still nuh.
Anyway, at that time I thought my uncle was talking he shit when drunk, but as the saying goes, a drunk man tell no tale. :-\
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My apologies the name of the book is Under the Convent Veil!
My mother told mne that the Church got as many as they could and burned them.
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swima, where is the entry point for that..or are there a few??
I have a pardner that does run one of them tourist eco-tour ting out of blanchicheuse, buh he never carry we dat high
The treck up to El Tucuche is from Maracas Valley I believe. That side is the gentler incline.
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At first ah was like ahhhh TC never ceases to take an opportunity at hitting up dem christians... my apologies... I did some digging and the story is true... apparently there was a nunnery in cocorite that catered to the lepers before the chacachacare post was developed, apparently there were a lot of rapes, "miscarriages" and adultery happening in that spot.... since it was cocorite and cocorite was not closed off from the rest of the nation... a proposal by the clergy coupled with government fear of the disease resulted in a relocation.... the institution was moved to the island... a few years later...
I will dig for some pics of the lepers society in Cocorite...
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At first ah was like ahhhh TC never ceases to take an opportunity at hitting up dem christians... my apologies... I did some digging and the story is true... apparently there was a nunnery in cocorite that catered to the lepers before the chacachacare post was developed, apparently there were a lot of rapes, "miscarriages" and adultery happening in that spot.... since it was cocorite and cocorite was not closed off from the rest of the nation... a proposal by the clergy coupled with government fear of the disease resulted in a relocation.... the institution was moved to the island... a few years later...
I will dig for some pics of the lepers society in Cocorite...
Yep quite correct. The rapes, sex, miscarriages abortions happened in Chac too!
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At first ah was like ahhhh TC never ceases to take an opportunity at hitting up dem christians... my apologies... I did some digging and the story is true... apparently there was a nunnery in cocorite that catered to the lepers before the chacachacare post was developed, apparently there were a lot of rapes, "miscarriages" and adultery happening in that spot.... since it was cocorite and cocorite was not closed off from the rest of the nation... a proposal by the clergy coupled with government fear of the disease resulted in a relocation.... the institution was moved to the island... a few years later...
I will dig for some pics of the lepers society in Cocorite...
Yep quite correct. The rapes, sex, miscarriages abortions happened in Chac too!
Wham yuh doh take ah day off or what?? :shameonyou: curb yuh enthusiasm nah man, and don't fack up the nice thread we have going here.
take that religious bashing on yuh "more christain love" thread and lowe this thread nah man. pretty please.
allyuh, doh let him draw allyuh in tuh mash up the thread wid he priest talk please! CANA that goes for you too. so doh encourage him. ;D
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It doh matter that people say the Doc pay de judges and dem but she sweet too bad :beermug:
Janelle migrated to the U.S.A. with her family during her years with Bishop Anstey High School, where she went on to obtain an Applied Associates Degree in Science at the Fashion Institute of Technology. She returned to T & T in the 70's and went on to win the Miss Republic of T&T title and in the same year became the first black woman to win the Miss Universe Crown. One year after, she opened her own Fashion Boutique, determined to be a successful business woman. Janelle has had to take up the mantle of her first husband's business and today runs a successful boat building business, the first of its kind to be run by a woman - Bowen Marine is well known in the Caribbean and the US for its boats. "Penny" as she is fondly called, was awarded the Trinity Cross in 1977.
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It doh matter that people say the Doc pay de judges and dem but she sweet too bad :beermug:
Janelle migrated to the U.S.A. with her family during her years with Bishop Anstey High School, where she went on to obtain an Applied Associates Degree in Science at the Fashion Institute of Technology. She returned to T & T in the 70's and went on to win the Miss Republic of T&T title and in the same year became the first black woman to win the Miss Universe Crown. One year after, she opened her own Fashion Boutique, determined to be a successful business woman. Janelle has had to take up the mantle of her first husband's business and today runs a successful boat building business, the first of its kind to be run by a woman - Bowen Marine is well known in the Caribbean and the US for its boats. "Penny" as she is fondly called, was awarded the Trinity Cross in 1977.
Please don't tell me she slept with trinity cross?
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(http://www.search.co.tt/trinidad/penny/pennysm.jpg)
It doh matter that people say the Doc pay de judges and dem but she sweet too bad :beermug:
Janelle migrated to the U.S.A. with her family during her years with Bishop Anstey High School, where she went on to obtain an Applied Associates Degree in Science at the Fashion Institute of Technology. She returned to T & T in the 70's and went on to win the Miss Republic of T&T title and in the same year became the first black woman to win the Miss Universe Crown. One year after, she opened her own Fashion Boutique, determined to be a successful business woman. Janelle has had to take up the mantle of her first husband's business and today runs a successful boat building business, the first of its kind to be run by a woman - Bowen Marine is well known in the Caribbean and the US for its boats. "Penny" as she is fondly called, was awarded the Trinity Cross in 1977.
She wasn't so black nah bro. i know for ah fact that she had white relatives. i used to run with ah white dude name sean who lived on oxford st right opposite the harp/ chafford in the same house penny grew up in, he was blood cousins with penny and i don't think sean had ah drop of black blood in him.
hey daft trini, could you pull up a picture of the late brian bowen. thanx.
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She wasn't so black nah bro. i know for ah fact that she had white relatives. i used to run with ah white dude name sean who lived on oxford st right opposite the harp/ chafford in the same house penny grew up in, he was blood cousins with penny and i don't think sean had ah drop of black blood in him.
hey daft trini, could you pull up a picture of the late brian bowen. thanx.
If Obama black then Penny black enough to wear the label. Even though she never marri'd "black" ah still eh go vex with she.
btw... is Sabga and dem own Bowen Marine these days.
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She wasn't so black nah bro. i know for ah fact that she had white relatives. i used to run with ah white dude name sean who lived on oxford st right opposite the harp/ chafford in the same house penny grew up in, he was blood cousins with penny and i don't think sean had ah drop of black blood in him.
hey daft trini, could you pull up a picture of the late brian bowen. thanx.
If Obama black then Penny black enough to wear the label. Even though she never marri'd "black" ah still eh go vex with she.
btw... is Sabga and dem own Bowen Marine these days.
Nah horse, that's just ah little jest @ penny's expense, i just messing around. even though she had white in her, i still consider her black.
BTW, she did marry black, brian bowen was ah light skinned black dude, who ironically kinda favored obama IMO.
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At first ah was like ahhhh TC never ceases to take an opportunity at hitting up dem christians... my apologies... I did some digging and the story is true... apparently there was a nunnery in cocorite that catered to the lepers before the chacachacare post was developed, apparently there were a lot of rapes, "miscarriages" and adultery happening in that spot.... since it was cocorite and cocorite was not closed off from the rest of the nation... a proposal by the clergy coupled with government fear of the disease resulted in a relocation.... the institution was moved to the island... a few years later...
I will dig for some pics of the lepers society in Cocorite...
Yep quite correct. The rapes, sex, miscarriages abortions happened in Chac too!
Wham yuh doh take ah day off or what?? :shameonyou: curb yuh enthusiasm nah man, and don't fack up the nice thread we have going here.
take that religious bashing on yuh "more christain love" thread and lowe this thread nah man. pretty please.
allyuh, doh let him draw allyuh in tuh mash up the thread wid he priest talk please! CANA that goes for you too. so doh encourage him. ;D
BVoss stop talking shit...is ah histpry lesson and I contributed legitimately. The man post a pic and I made a comment, cuz you is ah horn chile........
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At first ah was like ahhhh TC never ceases to take an opportunity at hitting up dem christians... my apologies... I did some digging and the story is true... apparently there was a nunnery in cocorite that catered to the lepers before the chacachacare post was developed, apparently there were a lot of rapes, "miscarriages" and adultery happening in that spot.... since it was cocorite and cocorite was not closed off from the rest of the nation... a proposal by the clergy coupled with government fear of the disease resulted in a relocation.... the institution was moved to the island... a few years later...
I will dig for some pics of the lepers society in Cocorite...
Yep quite correct. The rapes, sex, miscarriages abortions happened in Chac too!
Wham yuh doh take ah day off or what?? :shameonyou: curb yuh enthusiasm nah man, and don't fack up the nice thread we have going here.
take that religious bashing on yuh "more christain love" thread and lowe this thread nah man. pretty please.
allyuh, doh let him draw allyuh in tuh mash up the thread wid he priest talk please! CANA that goes for you too. so doh encourage him. ;D
BVoss stop talking shit...is ah histpry lesson and I contributed legitimately. The man post a pic and I made a comment, cuz you is ah horn chile........
Hogwash!! and yuh know it! BTW thanx for the lession , but put it on the christian love thread. and leave this thread be nah boss. no disrespect. positive.
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not hogwash, and it was fine until you come with yuh shit..a man post a picture I responded and you making jumbie outta nutten
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I hear Aretha Ingrind Rocke - our Miss world 1982 rep. was a beauty. anybody have pics?
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I hear Aretha Ingrind Rocke - our Miss world 1982 rep. was a beauty. anybody have pics?
Althea, she is a friend of mine, lived in La Puerta aBishops girl real nice person
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWll2V4KMSk
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I hear Aretha Ingrind Rocke - our Miss world 1982 rep. was a beauty. anybody have pics?
Yeah Althea is lovely she works as a Training Consultant did some work wit her couple yrs ago.
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just cool the post about the nunnery is a fact eh, so i'm not encouraging TC with nothing. 8)
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just cool the post about the nunnery is a fact eh, so i'm not encouraging TC with nothing. 8)
I'm sure it was! but that's not my beef with him. my beef was, how many threads yuh want tuh hold yuh crusades on?
we have the "more christian love thread", then the "stop looking towards religion thread" then" death penalty for gays thread" my question iz, how much fackin thread yuh want tuh make into ah religious bashing thread??
the boy ackin like he on the devil payroll!! gey ppl ah break with the religious talk nah man. is like ah preist eat the bredder white fowl.
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just cool the post about the nunnery is a fact eh, so i'm not encouraging TC with nothing. 8)
I'm sure it was! but that's not my beef with him. my beef was, how many threads yuh want tuh hold yuh crusades on?
we have the "more christian love thread", then the "stop looking towards religion thread" then" death penalty for gays thread" my question iz, how much fackin thread yuh want tuh make into ah religious bashing thread??
the boy ackin like he on the devil payroll!! gey ppl ah break with the religious talk nah man. is like ah preist eat the bredder white fowl.
Like yuh is ah imps or what? or yuh looking for ah husband?
Yuh want me to make ah reply to a picture in this thread on another thread?
Steups ah feel you was an alter boi
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Arigh' ah understand what ya saying then....
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who was wrightson btw?
Walsh Wrightson (an Englishman), Director of Public Works (1895-1907). Key figure in the Water Riots of 1903.
I learned about this from Michael Anthony's book "The Making of Port of Spain", wonder why it is not a routine part of the curriculum, at least when I was in primary and secondary school...
I can assure you more than half of Trinbago doh know who is Wrightson that "Wrightson Road" was named after..
mmmm, no ah tink is jus me
but since we on de topic,ah want ah one line history of Frederick, Duke & Chacon..oh and Park...and trow in Henry too
Frederick St. - named in honor of Frederick, Prince of Wales, the father of King George III, who was the current King of England when the British captured T&T from the Spanish. Under Spanish rule it was known as Calle San Carlos.
Duke St. - named in honor of British royalty. They already had King, Queen, and Prince streets, so they added the next title (in descending order), which was Duke. Under Spanish rule it was known as Calle Princesa de Asturias.
Henry St. - Under Spanish rule it was known as Calle de Herrera. Herrera was the name of the police chief who happened to live on that street. Henry is supposedly a corruption of the name Herrera.
Park St. - When this street was first cut, it was on the edge of what looked like a park.
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Take a read of Michael Anthony's making of POS, all of those qus re-street naming and the POS expansion would be unravelled, even the history of Catholic schools (CIC, Fatima) viz a viz gov't schools (QRC, Bishops) and how that was really a battle of religion is revealed. We real lapsin we, stuff like this ought to be mandatory from primary all the way through......know from whence you came, then there is no limit to where you can go....
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Trinidad_and_Tobago
said to date since 7000 bc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banwari_Trace
ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wintley_Phipps